| 00:00.05 | colera | do watch commercial dvd's in xine do i only need libdvdcss? or others asw well? |
| 00:00.05 | jim | you can use aptitude on the command line just like apt-get, so something like aptitude install foopackage |
| 00:00.08 | reco | Wyzard: this means if i want to use for the system default 2.3.x i type: apt-get update-alternatives??? |
| 00:00.11 | litage | dvs: and the mic level is set to ~80% |
| 00:00.30 | Wyzard | reco: man update-alternatives |
| 00:00.35 | reco | Wyzard: thanx |
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| 00:00.50 | doleyb | When I apt-get update it says nerim/marilat servers fail gpg check, is that bad? |
| 00:00.52 | dvs | litage: No, only one of them should be red, the other ones should be grey |
| 00:01.03 | edson | hello! |
| 00:01.06 | litage | dvs: okay, only mic has 2 red dots above it now |
| 00:01.13 | colera | i have a pentium M/centrino which mplayer should i install 586??? |
| 00:01.14 | colera | ?? |
| 00:01.18 | colera | do watch commercial dvd's in xine do i only need libdvdcss? or others asw well? |
| 00:01.22 | dvs | colera: sure |
| 00:01.23 | dystopian | gotta run... |
| 00:01.33 | Wyzard | reco: Actually, I'm wrong, python apparently doesn't use the alternatives system |
| 00:02.09 | Wyzard | reco: /usr/bin/python is a symlink to python2.3 because that's currently the default in Debian, and you shouldn't change that because packages may rely on it |
| 00:02.11 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Well, i'd see what hdparm -I has to say about your whacky drive |
| 00:02.14 | reco | Wyzard: well but there is a link from /usr/local/python to python2.3 |
| 00:02.47 | Wyzard | reco: If you mean from /usr/bin/python to python2.3, yes -- I thought it used alternatives, but I was wrong |
| 00:02.49 | reco | Wyzard: ok i have 2.3 installed, if i install 2.4 now will the symlink chance? |
| 00:02.55 | Wyzard | reco: No, it won't |
| 00:03.02 | reco | Wyzard: perfekt thats what i want thanx |
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| 00:03.39 | paster | "jetx" at 64.219.216.41 pasted "if then elsif else ???" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/320 |
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| 00:03.47 | litage | dvs: i just noticed that there are 2 devices called mic, as well as these: Mic As Cente..., Mic Boost |
| 00:04.02 | Wyzard | reco: 2.3 is currently the default in Debian... eventually 2.4 will be made the default, and any packages which rely on Python for Debian system tasks will be updated accordingly |
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| 00:04.14 | litage | dvs: only 1 of the mic devices has dots above it |
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| 00:04.30 | reco | Wyzard: thanx |
| 00:04.47 | Wyzard | reco: If your program relies on a specific version of Python, just have it use the version-specific filename for the interpreter (such as /usr/bin/python2.3) -- that way you can be certain of what version it'll run with |
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| 00:04.50 | weilawei | brinkmanship.. watch my system get destroyed going from etch to sid |
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| 00:05.02 | reco | Wyzard: i got a debian box since one day. i never had such a nice uix... i really like it. |
| 00:05.03 | blah | wassup debianites |
| 00:05.04 | weilawei | if that happens, ill be back around 2 AM est once i fix the system.. lol |
| 00:05.21 | kimo | I've been downloading 5 CDs, and I thought "let's md5sum for fun", surprise! one of the isos dont match!! Do I just redownload??? is there a way to get the corrupt piece only |
| 00:05.21 | YaleR | if I had xorg, and I reinstalled xfree86, what do I have to do? |
| 00:05.25 | Wyzard | reco: Glad you like it :-) |
| 00:05.34 | reco | what is the best way to keep the system uptodate, is there any automatic cronjob solution? |
| 00:05.37 | Wyzard | kimo: jigdo would help there |
| 00:05.44 | dvs | kimo: You can try using rsync |
| 00:05.47 | weilawei | kimo, md5s alone dont tell you where the change is |
| 00:05.53 | weilawei | they only tell you that there is one |
| 00:05.58 | Wyzard | kimo: It can reuse the non-corrupted files from your existing iso, and only re-download the files that didn't match |
| 00:06.10 | blah | us sources is mucked up i hear? |
| 00:06.22 | kimo | Wyzard: the iso is one file ! |
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| 00:06.27 | weilawei | anyone here run sid? |
| 00:06.29 | litage | dvs: krec still plays back nothing after recording. any other suggestions? |
| 00:06.38 | dvs | weilawei: nope |
| 00:06.41 | blah | us archives messed up? |
| 00:06.42 | Wyzard | kimo: It contains many files within it, and jigdo deals with those individually |
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| 00:06.58 | kimo | ok thnx |
| 00:07.00 | daedalus_ | blah: Not that I know of... |
| 00:07.01 | doleyb | weilawei: hes lying i run it |
| 00:07.26 | weilawei | doleyb, any good? think my system will go poof? i've got dist-upgrade running, going from etch (which works fine) to sid |
| 00:07.30 | ali1234 | argh, i have hfs support, and i still cant mount this floppy image |
| 00:07.35 | Wyzard | weilawei: Many experienced users do |
| 00:07.52 | doleyb | It won't break immediately... sid is fine _today_. But maybe later, an upgrade will introduce bad bugs. |
| 00:07.54 | daedalus_ | weilawei: Why upgrade? |
| 00:08.03 | shingouz | weilawei: one word. don't |
| 00:08.08 | dvs | litage: Try one of the other MIC devices |
| 00:08.12 | Wyzard | weilawei: Major breakage in sid is rare, but it does happen sometimes |
| 00:08.13 | mfrisch | ls |
| 00:08.16 | doleyb | And it's not like sid has any noticable improvements over etch, yet. Unless you like gcc4. |
| 00:08.31 | doleyb | And once you've switched to sid, it's not easy to go back. |
| 00:08.41 | Wyzard | weilawei: More frequent are little things that aren't showstoppers, but that you'll need to be competent to deal with |
| 00:08.53 | Wyzard | doleyb: GNOME 2.10... and xorg soon |
| 00:09.08 | beardy | litage: Can you hear things you say in the mic "live", from your speakers? Try another recording program? Check krec's config, maybe you need to specify device or something? |
| 00:09.09 | doleyb | soon!=yet |
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| 00:09.49 | Wyzard | doleyb: Well, I'm running it already from experimental and it works great, and the maintainer told me a few days ago that the next upload will be to unstable :-) |
| 00:10.11 | daedalus_ | !tell weilawei about unstable |
| 00:10.19 | promonet | can someone tell me how to add maildirmake Maildir to /etc/skel and then howto restore a Mailbox? |
| 00:10.20 | doleyb | Now, if kde 3.4 gets in there, that will be appealing. |
| 00:10.24 | shingouz | !tell weilawei about sid faq |
| 00:10.24 | Azar | does Sarge with kernel 2.6.8 have connection-tracking modules built into kernel? how can I find out? |
| 00:11.03 | promonet | i have a machine we've just rebuilt and readding the users, and then i have to put back their maildir's |
| 00:11.06 | shingouz | Azar: check in /proc/config.gz |
| 00:11.12 | litage | beardy: i can't hear things "live" from the mic |
| 00:11.14 | Azar | thanks shingouz |
| 00:11.16 | Wyzard | Azar: I'm 99% certain it does |
| 00:11.41 | litage | beardy: krec doesn't really have any config =P what other recording prog(s) do you recommend? |
| 00:11.46 | shingouz | litage: you have alsa there? |
| 00:12.11 | litage | shingouz: yes |
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| 00:12.35 | shingouz | litage: k. just a thought, never mind |
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| 00:13.15 | Azar | there is no config.gz file in /proc.. |
| 00:13.15 | daedalus_ | litage: Have you unmuted the mic in playback (non-recording) mode? |
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| 00:14.03 | geesus | Hey guys, I have a 4 port sata card with 2 chipsets handing 2 channels each, during boot my dmesg shows hde hdg hdi and hdk like it should but only hde and hdg get put in /dev, can anybody help? |
| 00:14.04 | doleyb | Azar: check /boot/config-2.6.8 |
| 00:14.20 | Azar | thanks doleyb |
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| 00:14.49 | litage | daedalus_: nothing is muted |
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| 00:15.39 | eeyore- | geesus: make the device nodes yourself. i remember debian didn't ship with "high" HD's device nodes |
| 00:16.01 | Wyzard | geesus: Are you using udev? |
| 00:16.19 | daedalus_ | litage: I haven't been keeping up with your convo, so I won't risk asking a bunch of redundant Q's if you do wish |
| 00:16.19 | geesus | how do I check if I am using udev? |
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| 00:16.30 | beardy | litage: audacity? |
| 00:16.35 | litage | eeyore-: how do i make the device nodes myself? |
| 00:16.43 | litage | eeyore-: oops, n/m =P |
| 00:16.56 | Wyzard | geesus: Check whether the "udev" package is installed, or check whether a process called "udevd" is running |
| 00:17.05 | litage | daedalus_: i don't mind |
| 00:17.24 | geesus | Wyzard: udevd is running |
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| 00:17.56 | daedalus_ | litage: Aight. Have you gotten your sound to work? |
| 00:18.01 | Wyzard | geesus: OK, then it should be creating device nodes automatically for your devices... maybe look through its logs to see whether it says anything about those drives |
| 00:18.17 | geesus | theres nothing out of the ordinary in dmesg |
| 00:18.26 | geesus | they are showing up in /proc/ide |
| 00:18.32 | colera | umm my dvd programs say they can't read /dev/dvd how do i make sure that that device links to the dvd?? |
| 00:18.36 | colera | ?? |
| 00:18.45 | litage | daedalus_: yes, audio is working with alsa-base1.0.8-7 |
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| 00:19.00 | beardy | colera: One question mark is enough. |
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| 00:19.24 | litage | daedalus_: just upgraded from 2.4.27-2-386 to 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:19.30 | beardy | colera: You check if it already exists. 'ls -la /dev/dvd', if not, you create it. |
| 00:19.37 | litage | so that i could get alsa |
| 00:19.47 | dvs | litage: You didn't have to do that |
| 00:19.54 | beardy | colera: man ln |
| 00:20.11 | litage | dvs: upgrading to 2.6 was easier than rebuilding 2.4 for alsa |
| 00:20.20 | dvs | litage: alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 would have worked |
| 00:20.27 | litage | oh.. |
| 00:20.44 | Wyzard | litage: That's OK, it's not like running a 2.6 kernel is a bad idea |
| 00:20.58 | colera | beardy: what should i link it to? jut /mnt/cdrom? |
| 00:21.04 | geesus | Wyzard: nothing about any of the devices in my daemon.log |
| 00:21.08 | litage | daedalus_ / dvs / Wyzard : should i boot into 2.4.27-2-286, install alsa-modules-2.4... and see if the mic works? |
| 00:21.16 | borojer | what was that command that added a script directory , not making much sense here but i remember it started with export |
| 00:21.25 | dvs | litage: I wouldn't bother if 2.6.8 boots fine |
| 00:21.30 | litage | k |
| 00:21.39 | muskrat | any of you ever set up qmail to use secure smtp? that is, SSL and/or SMTP Auth |
| 00:21.51 | weilawei | 2.6.11 seems to work fine |
| 00:21.53 | weilawei | :) |
| 00:21.53 | Wyzard | geesus: Is it a (true) hardware RAID controller? |
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| 00:23.20 | beardy | colera: You should link /dev/dvd to /dev/hd? (hda,hdb,hdc,hdd depending on which one is your dvd-drive) |
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| 00:23.43 | colera | beardy: okay yeah cool |
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| 00:26.08 | litage | recording in audacity shows only a straight line (ie: it's not getting input) |
| 00:26.35 | mfrisch | how do use ssh without a pass. I gen keys on both computers. |
| 00:26.36 | weilawei | check line-in level, check what's selected as recording? |
| 00:26.47 | davi_ | What package to install mono .NET on debian Sare |
| 00:26.51 | davi_ | sarge? |
| 00:27.02 | borojer | help, need to run a script from any directory, i remember there was a command that let me do that it started of like export Path = , plz help |
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| 00:27.24 | doleyb | borojer: export PATH=$PATH:/script_directory |
| 00:28.05 | litage | weilawei: which is line-in in audacity? the mic is set to 0.8, the dropdown box to the right of the mic level is set to mic.. |
| 00:28.15 | doleyb | borojer: or alias script=/script_directory/script |
| 00:28.43 | weilawei | litage, i don't know audacity personally.. i've only used windows tools for recording (fl studio, soundforge) but as a general rule you can usually select those sort ofthings |
| 00:29.20 | weilawei | are you recording from a microphone plugged into mic or something plugged into line in? |
| 00:29.30 | weilawei | i record guitar so i use line in |
| 00:29.33 | litage | weilawei: plugged into mic |
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| 00:29.48 | beardy | borojer: Or edit your users ~/.bash_profile, uncomment the lines under "# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists" and put your script there, ~/bin |
| 00:29.51 | weilawei | iunno.. same thing except for mic really.. dunno what might be the problenm |
| 00:29.56 | weilawei | is it plugged in where it goes? |
| 00:30.16 | litage | weilawei: yes, the mic jack is coloured pink, and is in the pink jack on the mobo |
| 00:30.33 | weilawei | kk no idea |
| 00:31.06 | litage | what's the difference between line and line1 |
| 00:31.26 | weilawei | beats the bleep out of me.. have two line jacks back there? |
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| 00:32.51 | borojer | beardy: where is .bash_profile |
| 00:33.02 | weilawei | borojer, in your /home/user directory |
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| 00:33.18 | weilawei | there's a systemwide one in /etc/bash_profile |
| 00:33.42 | weilawei | /etc/profile |
| 00:33.44 | weilawei | * |
| 00:33.49 | jetx | xvid4, divx5, or ffmpeg ? |
| 00:33.58 | jetx | which is better quality |
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| 00:34.31 | cirdan | hey all |
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| 00:34.41 | weilawei | assuming i survive going to unstable, if i change my source list back to testing, will it downgrade things if i do an upgrade or will it only add things that (at some point far in the future) come into testing with a higher version # than my old unstable pkgs? |
| 00:34.48 | cirdan | any suggestions on how to share my local x11/kde session with vnc? |
| 00:35.02 | cirdan | weilawei: downgrading is very messy |
| 00:35.10 | Frankablu | cirdan: There is a different binary for it |
| 00:35.10 | weilawei | cirdan, i dont want it to |
| 00:35.16 | jetx | xvid4, divx5, or ffmpeg ?!downgrade |
| 00:35.22 | jetx | oops |
| 00:35.28 | cirdan | i know kde has a built-in screen sharing, but you need a local user to accept it |
| 00:35.29 | jetx | !downgrade |
| 00:35.29 | weilawei | i want this unstable snapshot, then change my sources back to testing and live with what comes thru there |
| 00:35.29 | dpkg | well, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 00:35.46 | Azar | I am not able to find the ip_conntrack table, it does not show in the /proc/net directory... but I am sure I have that module.. how can I find it? |
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| 00:36.00 | cirdan | Azar: lsmod | grep conn |
| 00:36.18 | weilawei | i.e. i want this set of unstable pkgs but once i have it, i'd like to wait until future testing gets ahead of unstable at this point in time |
| 00:36.26 | geesus | ROFL |
| 00:36.30 | geesus | I accidently checked if udev was on my ubuntu machine not my debian server, ssh had quit :O |
| 00:36.32 | cirdan | Frankablu: i'd prefer to start the vnc server only when I want to connect |
| 00:36.32 | geesus | I dont have udev running, so do I need to manually create a device node for it? |
| 00:36.32 | quittt | where can I find Action Quake II for Linux? |
| 00:36.35 | Azar | thanks |
| 00:36.39 | cirdan | weilawei: build the packages? |
| 00:36.42 | geesus | hrmm |
| 00:36.44 | geesus | hdi works now |
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| 00:36.50 | kyu | Does anyone here use the cmail/xemacspkg? |
| 00:37.09 | jetx | Azar: modconf |
| 00:37.21 | Azar | cirdan, is not there, thanks jetx trying that |
| 00:37.27 | weilawei | cirdan, its a theory question... if i get my unstable snapshot right now, and then change it to testing, will it downgrade things on me, or will it always keep the highest version numbered package? |
| 00:37.39 | cirdan | it will keep the highest |
| 00:37.45 | weilawei | okay thats exactly what i want |
| 00:37.47 | cirdan | but things like libc and all get messy fast |
| 00:37.55 | jetx | it won't downgrade.. cirdan is correct |
| 00:37.58 | cirdan | it's easier to just build the packages you want |
| 00:38.08 | cirdan | apt-get build-deps foo |
| 00:38.15 | cirdan | the use dbuild |
| 00:38.23 | weilawei | cirdan, the thing is that i want the entire set of stuff thats in unstable right now |
| 00:38.30 | weilawei | so dist-upgrade made a little more sense |
| 00:38.37 | weilawei | why build when someone else did it for me |
| 00:38.51 | cirdan | weilawei: well, then you know it'll work with what you have installed |
| 00:38.56 | Azar | jetx I have them listed in config-2.6.8-2-k7 already |
| 00:39.04 | cirdan | weilawei: why not just stay unstable if that's what you want? |
| 00:39.06 | Azar | but I do not know how to access them I do not know the location |
| 00:39.16 | cirdan | Azar: /lib/modules |
| 00:39.24 | weilawei | cirdan, because i want the current unstable but i dont know what itll be in the future and im not *that* risky right now |
| 00:39.28 | cirdan | modconf should load them for you |
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| 00:39.37 | cirdan | weilawei: i run it all the time, usually no problems |
| 00:39.44 | cirdan | less problems than testing anyway |
| 00:40.15 | Azar | cirdan I think I have them loaded but I do not know the location |
| 00:40.18 | weilawei | i installed debian without a hitch at sarge, testing went on without a hitch, and i didnt have to configure a damn thing really.. so i hope my hardware is obiquitous enough |
| 00:40.30 | cirdan | Azar: if you do then they'll be in lsmod |
| 00:40.36 | cirdan | Azar: check /etc/modules |
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| 00:41.19 | colera | so i am using the mplayer i got with the marrilat thing, how do i make the video go really fullscreen right know when i do fullscreen there is black around the edge |
| 00:41.21 | GlenneMannen | is there any program I can run to see what users are connected to usin my server as a router with iptables |
| 00:41.39 | colera | i am using mplayer from the console |
| 00:41.45 | doleyb | colera: check that you used -vo xv |
| 00:41.54 | kyu | I've always wondered why there's no mplayer .deb |
| 00:42.02 | geesus | Wyzard: no its just a sata pci card |
| 00:42.05 | cirdan | hmm, no so ideas on which vnc server can attach to my local session? |
| 00:42.05 | weilawei | there isn't one? |
| 00:42.07 | colera | kyu: licensing issues |
| 00:42.13 | kyu | I see. |
| 00:42.15 | weilawei | vlc is nice anyways :) |
| 00:42.24 | colera | doleyb: umm xv? xv being the video> |
| 00:42.26 | kyu | Well yes, vlc is nice, i prefer mplayer though :) |
| 00:42.34 | weilawei | to each their own |
| 00:42.39 | doleyb | kyu: mplayer is copyright infringement, but you can get debs from marilat |
| 00:42.53 | doleyb | colera: no, add "-vo xv" to your mplayer commandline |
| 00:42.56 | weilawei | 8 minutes till system destruction |
| 00:42.57 | kyu | wewt |
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| 00:43.14 | cirdan | doleyb: not copyright, patent |
| 00:43.21 | cirdan | big difference |
| 00:43.56 | cirdan | hmm |
| 00:44.03 | cirdan | ~lart bad docs |
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| 00:44.19 | doleyb | cirdan: no, copyright. mplayer includes lib files by microsoft, apple, others, which it has no permission to have. |
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| 00:44.42 | trodrigues1 | kyu: take a look at this http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 00:44.46 | cirdan | doleyb: they are in a seperate tarball, not in the source |
| 00:45.03 | doleyb | without them mplayer=useless |
| 00:45.08 | weilawei | doleyb, sure that they aren't patented as well? Fraunhofer/IIS technically owns mp3 so a shitload of people are in violation ;) |
| 00:45.14 | cirdan | doleyb: really? |
| 00:45.23 | cirdan | i use mplayer on os x, and it is far from useless |
| 00:45.31 | cirdan | and no wintel codecs in sight |
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| 00:46.51 | doleyb | some people ride around on horses, but for normal humans, they're useless. |
| 00:47.01 | weilawei | lmfao |
| 00:47.25 | borojer | this is really strange, in my terminal i do " export PATH=$PATH:/u/0T6/borojer/uml1/linux-2.4.27/", and my script runs from any directory, BUT when i close the terminal and open it up again my script only runs from the directory it exists |
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| 00:47.40 | NOthsouth | hello |
| 00:47.43 | weilawei | borojer, that PATH is set for that terminal session |
| 00:47.47 | weilawei | not for the entire system |
| 00:47.55 | weilawei | so when you close.. byebye |
| 00:47.59 | NOthsouth | can someone tell me some good torrent application for linux? |
| 00:48.00 | cirdan | hmm, x11vnc looks promising |
| 00:48.12 | weilawei | NOthsouth, azureus |
| 00:48.13 | floppyears | borojer: you'r bash config file is probably setting the terminal |
| 00:48.25 | litage | hey i got the mic working!!! |
| 00:48.28 | weilawei | best on any platform |
| 00:48.31 | weilawei | litage, what was it? |
| 00:48.37 | floppyears | borojer: just add that line to the end of your .bashrc |
| 00:48.43 | doleyb | NOthsouth: bittornado |
| 00:49.01 | transgress | bittorrent |
| 00:49.09 | weilawei | 2 minutes till computer destruction |
| 00:49.11 | transgress | NOthsouth: ^ |
| 00:49.14 | borojer | floppyears: how do i add it to .bashrc |
| 00:49.19 | floppyears | NOthsouth: I love azureus, it has nice features :) |
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| 00:49.25 | cirdan | bitchtorrent! |
| 00:49.30 | transgress | i used to use azureus all the time |
| 00:49.39 | floppyears | borojer: cat >> ~/.bashrc |
| 00:49.42 | transgress | until i started using the btdownloadcurses client... just standard stuff |
| 00:49.52 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 00:49.55 | floppyears | borojer: then type your line and when you are finished press Ctrl+D |
| 00:50.04 | cirdan | transgress: java sucks up too much system |
| 00:50.07 | beardy | borojer: Edit it. |
| 00:50.23 | litage | deadorange.com/kmix.png <--- see how "Mic As Center/LFE" is different from the rest? that made the difference. however,i have NO idea what those yellow buttons do. any thoughts? |
| 00:50.28 | transgress | cirdan: that's why i said i used to use azureus... although it never really sucked up too much of my system resources |
| 00:50.28 | NOthsouth | :D |
| 00:50.30 | NOthsouth | thx |
| 00:50.35 | floppyears | borojer: then everytime you open a shell that path will be set :) |
| 00:50.44 | transgress | NOthsouth: just apt-get install bittorrent... works quite well. |
| 00:50.45 | weilawei | cirdan, java itself doesnt suck up so mnuch... it's java coders that aren't extremely careful about how they code.. java makes it very easy to suck up system.. but by itself it doesnt take up much |
| 00:51.00 | floppyears | NOthsouth: then I would suggest a cli bittorrent client |
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| 00:51.23 | doleyb | transgress: no, bittornado has same UI as bittorrent, but is better |
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| 00:51.50 | NOthsouth | and what about peer2peer program, i installed gift and apollon, but I guess i need install gift fasttrack... |
| 00:52.05 | geesus | Wyzard: got it working but it seems to crash the box while formating the raid. Im starting to think the controller is dodgey |
| 00:52.12 | transgress | doleyb: how is it better? |
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| 00:52.30 | doleyb | oh, a few nicer status displays, barely anything. |
| 00:52.36 | help | n |
| 00:52.53 | transgress | hmm... haven't noticed anything missing from btdownloadcurses that i need... so i'll probably stick with it |
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| 00:53.14 | cirdan | gift rocks |
| 00:53.23 | cirdan | but thre needs to be more search nodes on openft |
| 00:53.35 | cirdan | but there are 4 working protocols |
| 00:54.02 | metaperl | 'lo all... How come ppp_mppe does not show up with lsmod even though I got the kernel-mppe patch and compiled it into the kernel that I am now running? |
| 00:54.07 | doleyb | bittornado has a lot of tuning options, including ones not to devour all your bandwidth. |
| 00:54.23 | cirdan | doleyb: so does the newer bittorrents |
| 00:54.49 | daedalus_ | metaperl.... if you compiled it _in_ to your kernel, you no longer have it in a module |
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| 00:55.17 | metaperl | daedalus_: I see... is there some way to know if it is active/working? I'm failing to connect to my company VPN |
| 00:55.19 | daedalus_ | metaperl, And lsmod has a habit of not reporting things that don't exist :) |
| 00:55.31 | daedalus_ | metaperl: Hmm.... good question |
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| 00:55.58 | daedalus_ | metaperl: I wouldn't know. I haven't used ppp_mppe before. |
| 00:56.13 | metaperl | i see |
| 00:57.04 | daedalus_ | metaperl: Does it normally create some sort of ppp ifdevice? |
| 00:57.20 | metaperl | I dont know |
| 00:57.40 | metaperl | and I dont know if such a device is specfic to mppe (microsoft point to point encryption)... |
| 00:57.47 | daedalus_ | welll.... have a look at the output of ifconfig -a |
| 00:58.02 | metaperl | because there is PPP and then there's all these hoops I'm jumping through for MICROSOFT ppp :) |
| 00:58.26 | daedalus_ | metaperl: there should be a ppp_mppe howto out on the web somewhere with good troubleshooting info |
| 00:58.33 | doleyb | cirdan: the most obvious difference is that it tells you how many other seeds/peers there are, so you can guess if you've picked a fast torrent or not (or an uncompletable one) |
| 00:58.59 | metaperl | daedalus_: yes, the pptpclient.sf.net has pretty good docs |
| 00:59.10 | borojer | floppyears: when i open up my terminal it is in csh shell, the export command doesn't work in csh shell but works in others like sh, what should i do thanks |
| 00:59.13 | metaperl | but i've scoured 'em |
| 01:00.05 | litage | what is the "Mic As Center/LFE" device/setting? |
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| 01:00.59 | daedalus_ | metaperl: is there a ppp_mppe line in your dmesg file? |
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| 01:01.21 | floppyears | borojer: then you need to edit the config file for csh. The file is called .chsrc |
| 01:01.38 | floppyears | borojer: I don't use csh, so I can't tell you how to edit that file. |
| 01:01.51 | metaperl | daedalus_: nothing there |
| 01:01.54 | metaperl | grep showed nothing |
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| 01:02.09 | floppyears | borojer: I would recommend though that you switch to bash. It is a very popular and featurful shell :) |
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| 01:02.28 | doleyb | borojer: the csh equivalent to "export a=b" is "setenv a b" |
| 01:02.32 | borojer | floppyears: is it possible to start the terminal with a different shell |
| 01:02.42 | floppyears | borojer: yes, |
| 01:02.43 | doleyb | floppyears: i would use bash, except for one thing: "|&" |
| 01:03.12 | floppyears | borojer: you can try using the program chsh to change your shell |
| 01:03.16 | cirdan | doleyb: ? |
| 01:03.32 | floppyears | doleyb: what shell do you use ? |
| 01:03.34 | daedalus_ | metaperl: did you simply follow the debin- |
| 01:03.38 | cirdan | ksh!! :-) |
| 01:03.41 | metaperl | daedalus_: per this: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian-build.phtml |
| 01:03.42 | cirdan | the orig. shell |
| 01:03.51 | daedalus_ | metaperl:Yeah, that |
| 01:03.56 | metaperl | daedalus_: I installed ppp-mppe as a *module* because the instructions said to |
| 01:03.58 | daedalus_ | metaperl: Oh, so then it is a module. |
| 01:04.01 | doleyb | cirdan: I use tcsh, because it allows capturing program's output to file with "|&". As in "make |& tee make.output" |
| 01:04.02 | metaperl | when I built the kernel I typed "m" there |
| 01:04.04 | metaperl | so aha! |
| 01:04.12 | borojer | when i do setenv PATH $PATH:/u/0T6/borojer/uml1/linux-2.4.27/ it doesn't work |
| 01:04.13 | metaperl | it must not be loaded |
| 01:04.17 | metaperl | and it should be |
| 01:04.21 | daedalus_ | metaperl: My bad. try to do an insmod ppp_mppe |
| 01:04.25 | litage | sometimes when i start audacity, why might this error sometimes occur?: "There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer. You will not be able to play or record audio. Error: Host error." |
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| 01:05.00 | metaperl | insmod: can't read 'ppp_mppe': No such file or directory |
| 01:05.16 | kyu | metaperl, you need to be in the same directory as the module |
| 01:05.19 | kyu | try using modprobe |
| 01:05.21 | doleyb | cirdan: if there is an easy way to send program's output to file in bash, I'd like to know. |
| 01:05.22 | reco | i there a multilog on debian. i installed svtools but i cannot locate multilog. thanx you for your help |
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| 01:05.43 | daedalus_ | kyu ??? it should look in the right location automagically... |
| 01:05.49 | floppyears | borojer: you taking the dollar sign and see if it works |
| 01:05.50 | kyu | insmod doesn't |
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| 01:05.54 | kyu | modprobe does |
| 01:06.06 | floppyears | doleyb: what about > |
| 01:06.07 | trappist | I've just installed ut2004 and it won't grab focus. I suspect kde, but changing focus stealing prevention to "none" doesn't fix it. any ideas? |
| 01:06.21 | doleyb | floppyears: that doesn't get stderr (which is part of the _output_) |
| 01:06.31 | floppyears | doleyb: then 2> or &> |
| 01:06.48 | aphasia__ | dae: I got it to work |
| 01:06.49 | metaperl | actually, lsmod now shows mppe ... I did an modprobe ppp-compress |
| 01:07.18 | aphasia__ | daedalus_: all I had to do, apparently, was create the missing disk device |
| 01:07.22 | borojer | plz help anyone knows the equivalent of " export PATH=$PATH:/u/0T6/borojer/uml1/linux-2.4.27/" in the csh shell |
| 01:07.27 | doleyb | floppyears: well, that alone won't work, and I don't know how to set it up that it will. |
| 01:07.33 | borojer | floppyears: that didn't work |
| 01:07.39 | daedalus_ | kyu: my bad. Thanks for straightening me out |
| 01:07.46 | doleyb | floppyears: and the fact that I can't guess it quickly suggests that it will be more keystrokes than the tcsh way. |
| 01:07.47 | aphasia__ | then mdadm showed it |
| 01:07.52 | daedalus_ | aphasia__: Heh. Crazy. |
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| 01:08.09 | daedalus_ | aphasia__:Well,good to know it wasn't anything too nuts... |
| 01:08.20 | aphasia__ | it's still a bug tho |
| 01:08.25 | aphasia__ | that the device wasn't created |
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| 01:08.27 | black_Nightmare | not to be dumb but just wondering if trying adding a 2nd stick to 256mb total ram would be a good boost verus having 128mb now? |
| 01:08.37 | aphasia__ | I'll have to submit that |
| 01:08.40 | daedalus_ | borojer: setenv PATH $PATH:/u/0T6/borojer/uml1/linux-2.4.27/ |
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| 01:09.49 | borojer | daedalus: it tells me "Bad : modifier in $ (/)." |
| 01:09.51 | black_Nightmare | ughh stupid wrong command!!! |
| 01:10.03 | daedalus_ | aphasia__: Huh. I'll keep that in mind |
| 01:10.09 | michael | hello |
| 01:10.28 | black_Nightmare | anyone see my ram question? |
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| 01:10.40 | bob2 | more ram is always good |
| 01:10.42 | bob2 | unless it's not |
| 01:10.44 | daedalus_ | black_Nightmare: Yes, and.. well, more ram is good |
| 01:10.57 | floppyears | doleyb: &> is supposed to redirect standard output and error stream to a file |
| 01:11.12 | black_Nightmare | hm ok..remind me to order a second 128mb stick from this online store someday |
| 01:11.25 | doleyb | floppyears: ok, but I want to also _see_ the file on the terminal at the same time. As |&tee does. |
| 01:11.30 | black_Nightmare | hmm or on second thought..... |
| 01:11.37 | black_Nightmare | maybe a different pc....dunno yet heh |
| 01:11.47 | floppyears | borojer: sorry, I don't use csh, I would suggest looking at the man page |
| 01:12.09 | michael | man , those sure do help |
| 01:12.30 | doleyb | borojer: setenv PATH $PATH\:/u/0T6/borojer/uml1/linux-2.4.27/ |
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| 01:12.38 | reco | please help how do i get a multilog installed with debian? |
| 01:13.12 | floppyears | doleyb: then you got me, I don't know how to do that, but bash is still pretty cool :) |
| 01:13.25 | borojer | doleyb: how can i edit the csh config file |
| 01:13.46 | black_Nightmare | dumb question....anyone know about using via's linux drivers on debian? |
| 01:13.53 | floppyears | borojer: vim ~/.cshrc |
| 01:13.56 | daedalus_ | doleyb: the : is a special char? |
| 01:14.00 | black_Nightmare | for the mini-itx and having a fully working tv-out & decoder that is |
| 01:14.14 | doleyb | daedalus_: within a csh string it is, apparently. |
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| 01:15.08 | bob2 | people generally edit the csh config file by moving to zsh or bash |
| 01:15.16 | borojer | floppyears: where should i put that line thanks |
| 01:15.23 | floppyears | borojer: anywhere |
| 01:16.09 | {wf}shadowspawn | hello, newb here running sarge. where can i find out how to make my laptop not seem to sieze up after coming out of standby? |
| 01:16.17 | doleyb | borojer: what version of debian do you have? i didn't think any used tcsh as default. |
| 01:16.19 | bob2 | you can't, probably |
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| 01:16.24 | floppyears | borojer: I would suggest some reading online to understand the basics of your shell and more about linux in general |
| 01:16.26 | bob2 | 2.6.8 is kinda ass |
| 01:16.58 | {wf}shadowspawn | bob2: me? i can still telnet into it, it's like gnome has a heart attack |
| 01:17.10 | bob2 | it won't be gnome |
| 01:17.20 | bob2 | its more likely that the video card isn't coming back to life properly |
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| 01:17.33 | {wf}shadowspawn | it's an ibm thinkpad 600x |
| 01:18.01 | {wf}shadowspawn | is there a way then to hm disable it altogether or is there a way to unload stuff before it goes into standby? |
| 01:18.12 | {wf}shadowspawn | or just not let it go into standby |
| 01:18.13 | borojer | last question hopefully, how do i save the the csh config file |
| 01:18.28 | doleyb | borojer: :wq |
| 01:18.47 | floppyears | borojer: it depends on what editor you are using, if you used vim, then :wq |
| 01:19.14 | geesus | {wf}shadowspawn: my laptop sometimes stalls on suspend if I have my pcmcia wifi card still plugged in |
| 01:19.26 | {wf}shadowspawn | oh doh never thought to unplug that |
| 01:19.31 | geesus | :D |
| 01:19.33 | doleyb | but i don't see how he could've used wim, because why would you know "i" but not :wq? |
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| 01:20.04 | daedalus_ | borojer: If you're new to linux, you probably don't want to be using csh... it is old and... is lacking a lot of useful features. |
| 01:20.20 | {wf}shadowspawn | k i'll give that a whirl. only thing that works on this is straight deb, knoppix just kernel panics on it, and i'm still getting used to it. thanks |
| 01:20.36 | nichos | hi all, i have DVD i'd like to burn, i have my audio and video TS dirs, but both K3B and graveman give me an i/o error - any ideas? |
| 01:20.38 | floppyears | borojer: you are missing some important basics on linux, I would highly recommend some learning by reading tldp.org |
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| 01:20.57 | floppyears | doleyb: maybe if he is using gvim, it might be easies, but dunno |
| 01:21.13 | daedalus_ | Didn't think of a gui editor |
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| 01:22.36 | doleyb | i'm still wondering how somebody could accidently change shells, without knowing how to edit a shell config. |
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| 01:23.10 | borojer | doleyb: i'm using vim and wanted to save the csh config file, should i just type :wq caus that didn't wokr |
| 01:23.13 | borojer | *work |
| 01:23.14 | floppyears | doleyb: chsh |
| 01:23.58 | doleyb | borojer: I sorta think that if you don't know vim, you shouldn't use vim. Like use nano or kedit or anything. |
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| 01:24.50 | mdh | I like to think that if you don't know something, you learn it. |
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| 01:25.18 | mdh | If you don't know how to tie shoelaces, do you spend the rest of your life walking along in thongs? |
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| 01:25.39 | doleyb | vim isn't too user-friendly... for a person who doesn't know any text editor, why would you hand him vim? Only reason could be ubiquity. |
| 01:25.40 | bob2 | (haha american thongs) |
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| 01:26.35 | doleyb | Although the particular thing, is that vim's modes are so subtle, it's very hard to explain it over irc to someone who can't type ":wq" |
| 01:26.50 | borojer | thanks doleyb thanks floppyears |
| 01:27.12 | floppyears | doleyb: you can always suggest vimtutor |
| 01:27.25 | doleyb | and it's so different from notepad or any other editor newbies might have used. |
| 01:27.42 | bob2 | it's simple, just do what I do |
| 01:27.47 | mdh | that's making assumptions |
| 01:27.49 | bob2 | hit <escape> over and over until it beeps |
| 01:27.52 | bob2 | then type :wq |
| 01:28.05 | DA_ | hrm... im trying to help a friend do a netinstall using the hd-media kernel/ramdisk and the docs state to get the netinstall kernel/ramdisk, does this mean to configure lilo or grub to use the netinstall instead of the hd-media or...? |
| 01:28.06 | doleyb | bob2: too late she's gone |
| 01:28.07 | mdh | bob2 :) :) |
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| 01:28.42 | bob2 | DA_: by netinstall you mean installing over ethernet, with no boot media at all? |
| 01:29.04 | DA_ | bob2: no i intend to have him configure grub to boot the installer kernel |
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| 01:29.14 | DA_ | bob2: other than that yes |
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| 01:29.36 | bob2 | oh, ok, never tried that |
| 01:29.38 | weilawei | sc0re.. nothing seems to be broken.. unstable pkgs, i changed my sources back to testing so for a long while, i shouldnt get anything new really |
| 01:29.53 | bob2 | yay for machines that do pxe |
| 01:29.57 | greycoin | I'm having a problem with my printer in 3.1. I installed all the drivers perfectly for the HP Deskjet 640C, but when I send anything to print, it whirrs for a while, then immediately the 'no paper' LED starts blinking. |
| 01:29.58 | DA_ | bob2: he is burner-less and has had trouble with the floppy method |
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| 01:30.23 | mdh | DA_: I think the d-i has an option called "load other weird shit off cd" where you get the option to netboot, configure raid, etc |
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| 01:30.47 | floppyears | greycoin: I would use cups |
| 01:30.57 | llama32 | mmmmmm... cookies |
| 01:31.07 | mdh | except of course it's not *quite* labelled "load other weird shit", but its something like that and its on the main menu |
| 01:31.10 | cire | how may I view the sum of all files' size inside a directory (and it's subdirs)? |
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| 01:31.22 | K_Dallas | cire: du -chx |
| 01:31.26 | K_Dallas | or something like that |
| 01:31.28 | DA_ | mdh: hrm.... |
| 01:31.54 | cire | Thanks! |
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| 01:32.04 | K_Dallas | sure |
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| 01:32.25 | DA_ | anyone booted the hd-media kernel/ramdisk or netinstall kernel/ramdisk from another distro by adding it/them to the config? i need success stories here... |
| 01:32.27 | laopa | anyone familiar with using udev? |
| 01:32.33 | greycoin | floppyears: how would that go? |
| 01:33.10 | floppyears | greycoin: cups is the way to do printing now. you install it and then use a web client to configure it and set up your printer |
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| 01:33.42 | greycoin | so i should apt-get cups first? |
| 01:34.03 | floppyears | greycoin: aptitude search cups |
| 01:34.10 | floppyears | greycoin: I can't remember the name of the package |
| 01:34.17 | mdh | cupsys |
| 01:34.55 | floppyears | greycoin: aptitude is better than apt-get because it keeps track of what packages you have updated, removed, etc. It's very useful for going back and reverting changes |
| 01:34.58 | mdh | but there's a bunch of other stuff too, like foomatic-db, foomatic-filters, foomatic-filters-ppds etc |
| 01:35.00 | laopa | i want to add a line for my usb tablet. which udev rules file to mod? |
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| 01:35.20 | Wyzard | laopa: Anyone using GNOME (or possibly KDE, I dunno) with a 2.6 kernel in sarge uses udev |
| 01:35.23 | greycoin | fair enough. and cupsys-server is what i want? |
| 01:35.44 | floppyears | greycoin: yes |
| 01:35.53 | floppyears | Wyzard: what's your question |
| 01:35.55 | Wyzard | laopa: You probably only need to add custom config lines if you want to give the device file a special name |
| 01:35.59 | mdh | greycoin: you'll want the client programs too, and the printer filters |
| 01:36.14 | Wyzard | floppyears: No question -- I was responding to laopa's "anyone familiar with udev?" |
| 01:36.33 | DA_ | section 5.1.2 of the i386 install manual states: "If you intend to use the hard drive only for booting and then download everything over the network, you should download the netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz file and its corresponding kernel. This will allow you to repartition the hard disk from which you boot the installer, although you should do so with care.", however the section is titled "Booting from linux using LILO or GRUB", a step in the hd-media inst |
| 01:36.37 | mdh | greycoin: you may not need cupsys-bsd anymore, most programs now know about cups, but it won't hurt in case you have something that doesn't |
| 01:36.39 | laopa | Wyzard, i have tried to add a line to /etc/udev/udev.rules but no deal. |
| 01:36.40 | floppyears | Wyzard: oh |
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| 01:36.51 | greycoin | so it's cupsys-server, cupsys-client and... |
| 01:37.03 | mdh | greycoin: foomatic-filters |
| 01:37.05 | greycoin | cupsys-bsd |
| 01:37.07 | greycoin | ok |
| 01:37.09 | Wyzard | laopa: Organizationally, it's better to create a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 01:37.26 | Wyzard | laopa: but I can't help much with the configuration since I haven't done much custom udev config |
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| 01:37.36 | floppyears | greycoin: once you have installed them, use firefox to go to "localhost:631" (without quotes) and use your root password |
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| 01:37.59 | Wyzard | laopa: It should find the device even without any special configuration... your custom line would just tell it to give the device file a specific, custom name |
| 01:38.10 | Wyzard | laopa: instead of whatever default name it would use |
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| 01:40.18 | laopa | Wyzard, maybe you can just about which file to mod. there are two files. one is at /etc/udev/udev.rules another at /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules and this one is a link file, as the dir listing shows. |
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| 01:40.49 | greycoin | that's weird.. 'No candidate version found for cupsys-server' |
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| 01:41.07 | sunespeg | newbie question: I just installed tightvnc server on linux, and attempt to acces it from vncviewer on xp. But when i connect, it doesnt bring me to the desktop, instead i get a console window (where i cant startx from if i try).. any ideas on what i do wrong ? |
| 01:41.15 | greycoin | but it showed up in aptitude search |
| 01:41.55 | mdh | greycoin: cupsys |
| 01:42.08 | mdh | greycoin: just plain "cupsys" is the server package |
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| 01:42.21 | mdh | although... I'm using sid so YMMV |
| 01:42.22 | Aleks` | hello i need help |
| 01:42.24 | greycoin | ah, okl |
| 01:42.26 | greycoin | ok* |
| 01:42.30 | Aleks` | rpm |
| 01:42.30 | Aleks` | bash: rpm: command not found |
| 01:42.38 | Wyzard | laopa: Create a new file in that directory |
| 01:42.49 | llama32 | Aleks`: what distribution are you using? |
| 01:42.55 | bob2 | Aleks`: you know Debian doesn't use rpm, right? |
| 01:42.56 | Aleks` | i'm useing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 with kernel 2.6 |
| 01:43.03 | llama32 | Aleks`: if debian, theres no rpm |
| 01:43.06 | Aleks` | ok |
| 01:43.08 | Wyzard | laopa: (That way your changes are kept separate from the files put there by packages |
| 01:43.13 | Aleks` | and i have another problem |
| 01:43.15 | laopa | Wyzard, ok, and any name will do? |
| 01:43.23 | Wyzard | laopa: Yep, doesn't matter |
| 01:43.24 | Aleks` | tar zxvf vhost-3.21r1.tar.gz |
| 01:43.24 | Aleks` | tar: Child died with signal 11 |
| 01:43.24 | Aleks` | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 01:43.32 | sunespeg | anyone experienced with tightvnc willing to spend a minute or to helping ? |
| 01:43.33 | Aleks` | tar zxvf tar-1.15.tar.gz |
| 01:43.33 | Aleks` | tar: Child died with signal 11 |
| 01:43.33 | Aleks` | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 01:43.37 | greycoin | hm.. cupsys is already the latest version |
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| 01:43.41 | Aleks` | for all arhives give me this |
| 01:43.52 | bob2 | Aleks`: perhaps you used mozilla to download them |
| 01:44.03 | laopa | Wyzard, and in that file just add a line for the device of my interest? |
| 01:44.05 | mdh | greycoin: that's good. its difficult to print without it ;) |
| 01:44.06 | Aleks` | how ? |
| 01:44.17 | Wyzard | laopa: Generally, in debian, when you see a directory with a name ending in ".d", it contains configuration "fragments", whose contents together make up the effective configuration |
| 01:44.28 | floppyears | greycoin: then configure it, and just use cups for printing |
| 01:44.36 | mdh | Aleks`: sounds like you have bad memory |
| 01:44.54 | greycoin | is cups the command or should I do it some other way? |
| 01:45.00 | laopa | Wyzard, so i should create a file /etc/udev/x.d and add in a line? |
| 01:45.08 | DA_ | ok so does anyone have info on booting hd-media kernel/ramdisk and netinst kernel/ramdisk to install from another linux distro? |
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| 01:45.19 | mdh | greycoin: its a bit more complex than that. there's a linux printing howto you should read |
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| 01:45.26 | Wyzard | laopa: It's so that packages can install their own configuration fragments, and remove them later if the package is installed, without having to touch any file owned by another package |
| 01:45.35 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.40 | floppyears | greycoin: you can setup kde or gnome to use cups for printing |
| 01:45.45 | floppyears | greycoin: good luck, I gotta go |
| 01:45.52 | greycoin | floppy: ok, i'll look into it |
| 01:45.55 | Wyzard | laopa: /etc/udev/rules.d/tablet, maybe |
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| 01:45.58 | greycoin | floppy: thanks |
| 01:46.03 | floppyears | greycoin: np |
| 01:46.08 | mdh | Aleks`: if you privmsg me, other people here more knowlegable than I won't be able to correct my bad advice ;) |
| 01:46.20 | laopa | Wyzard, thks. will go try that out. |
| 01:46.26 | floppyears | greycoin: to configure cups and choose the printer driver go to "localhost:631" and use root password |
| 01:46.48 | mdh | Aleks`: nothing should give you a signal 11 (segmentation fault) unless you have bad memory :( |
| 01:47.06 | Wyzard | mdh: Or an ordinary bug in the program |
| 01:47.08 | mdh | Aleks`: be it actual bad ram chip(s) or a flakey hard drive screwing with your swap partition |
| 01:47.48 | Wyzard | mdh: Here's a C program which will cause a segfault: int main() { int *x = NULL; *x = 42; } |
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| 01:47.59 | Wyzard | mdh: No bad RAM there :-) |
| 01:48.05 | mdh | Wyzard: if tar had bugs giving segfaults, I'm confident they would have been fixed, oh, about 30 years ago ;) |
| 01:48.16 | phealy | Anyone familiar with BlueZ/Bluetooth keyboard/mouse setups? |
| 01:48.26 | Wyzard | mdh: I know... but don't tell people that a segfault always means defective RAM |
| 01:49.12 | Wyzard | mdh: I once installed NetBSD on an old Mac Quadra, and nearly every command segfaulted, but the system ran fine in MacOS |
| 01:49.35 | brimstone | make-kpkg --initrd doesn't seem to be making a initrd.img for me. is there anything special after getting the sources from apt? |
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| 01:49.50 | mdh | wow... NetBSD actually gets past the install stage now! ;) |
| 01:50.07 | Wyzard | brimstone: The initrd is generated when you *install* the built kernel .deb |
| 01:50.20 | reco | how can i install the Daniel J. Bernsteins daemontools on debian? i already installed svtools. do i miss something? |
| 01:50.36 | Wyzard | mdh: hehe... it was probably just some dumb mistake on my part, since it was 1996 or so and my first exposure to any sort of Unix-like OS |
| 01:50.36 | brimstone | Wyzard: ah, ok |
| 01:50.44 | mdh | reco: why do you need this abomination for? |
| 01:51.00 | reco | mdh: to monitor, start, stop zope |
| 01:51.17 | Wyzard | reco: /etc/init.d/zope start; /etc/init.d/zope stop |
| 01:52.03 | reco | Wyzard: my problem is that zope is also crashing.. i had good experience with supervise on bsd... so |
| 01:52.21 | reco | mdh: why abomination? |
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| 01:52.37 | Aleks` | how to install debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso ? |
| 01:52.43 | Wyzard | reco: If zope is crashing, you want to find and fix the cause of the crashing, not just use a supervisor to cover the problem up |
| 01:52.47 | debian-san | Anyone knows how to install a Spanish dictionary for aspell? |
| 01:52.52 | Wyzard | Aleks`: Burn it to a CD |
| 01:52.56 | mdh | Aleks`: you burn that to cd, then boot it |
| 01:52.57 | Wyzard | Aleks`: That's not the current version though |
| 01:53.25 | Aleks` | but i have VPS and i like install it manualy with commands |
| 01:53.45 | Wyzard | Aleks`: You don't "install" an ISO file |
| 01:53.49 | Wyzard | Aleks`: It's a CD |
| 01:53.58 | reco | Wyzard: hmmm... |
| 01:54.02 | debian-san | I think I've found out. |
| 01:54.02 | tf | apt-get install aspell-es |
| 01:54.17 | debian-san | tf: Yep, that's it. |
| 01:54.26 | mdh | reco: djb software is generally not welcome on Debian since he has made it abundantly clear he does not want Debian to fix any of the bugs or security holes in them |
| 01:54.50 | mdh | and in fact, has deliberately licenced his software that way |
| 01:54.51 | Aleks` | Err http://mirrors.lycos-vds.com stable/main Sources |
| 01:54.52 | Aleks` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.52 | Aleks` | Err http://mirrors.lycos-vds.com stable/non-free Sources |
| 01:54.52 | Aleks` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.52 | Aleks` | Err http://mirrors.lycos-vds.com stable/contrib Sources |
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| 01:54.58 | Aleks` | with |
| 01:55.02 | Aleks` | apt-get update |
| 01:55.16 | Aleks` | i dont have good sites for update |
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| 01:55.20 | mdh | Aleks`: I strongly suggest running memtest86+ on that box |
| 01:55.21 | Wyzard | Aleks`: Your installation is broken... maybe your VPS is set up incorrectly |
| 01:55.27 | Aleks` | can someone tell me what i have put on sources.list |
| 01:55.37 | mdh | everything is segfaulting on you... that's bad |
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| 01:55.45 | Wyzard | Aleks`: It's not a problem with your sources.list, it's a problem with your installation |
| 01:56.00 | Aleks` | how to fix it ? |
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| 01:56.40 | Aleks` | ? |
| 01:57.01 | Wyzard | Aleks`: Run memtest to see if it's bad RAM. As for the VPS setup, I dunno |
| 01:57.09 | mdh | Aleks`: if you can run dpkg without segfaulting, you could try reinstalling other stuff |
| 01:57.17 | mdh | starting with gzip obviously |
| 01:57.40 | Aleks` | pkg |
| 01:57.40 | Aleks` | dpkg: need an action option |
| 01:57.40 | Aleks` | Type dpkg --help for help |
| 01:57.54 | mdh | Aleks`: find a .deb and dpkg -i that.deb |
| 01:58.04 | mdh | like, say, the gzip .deb ;) |
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| 01:58.17 | Aleks` | i need to find gzip .deb ? |
| 01:58.22 | greycoin | i just configured CUPS. |
| 01:58.23 | Wyzard | Aleks`: It might be a good idea to install Debian on an ordinary PC first, and learn how to use it there |
| 01:58.28 | mdh | Aleks`: does dmesg say your system is having any kind of trouble? |
| 01:58.29 | greycoin | still didnt work |
| 01:58.56 | Wyzard | Aleks`: Or ask your hosting provider (whoever you're getting your VPS from) for help |
| 01:59.03 | mdh | greycoin: you *do* have paper in this printer in the right tray, right? I mean, it's not just flashing the "insert paper" LED beacuse its actually out of paper? |
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| 01:59.13 | reco | mdh: all right i understand, is there any back-up in debian, i build zope myself form source. the zope package via apt-get is outdated? thanx for you help |
| 01:59.15 | Cronic | Can anyone help me out with tc? |
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| 01:59.37 | greycoin | mdh: lol, no, i do have paper, and I just changed the cartridge |
| 01:59.40 | mdh | reco: that could be why its crashing, if you've built it yourself. |
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| 02:00.07 | Cronic | Im trying to use HTB to manage the bandwidth to a certain IP. |
| 02:00.08 | Wyzard | reco: There might already be an unofficial package of the current zope... try apt-get.org |
| 02:00.14 | mdh | reco: the zope in sid is fairly current iirc. you could apt-get source that and debuild it on whatever you have |
| 02:00.18 | Cronic | Everything is entering in with out error, but it isn't limiting the bandwidth |
| 02:00.40 | Sintigan | Hey, anyone ever had problems running dancer-services on debian? |
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| 02:00.55 | Sintigan | i get it to run secessfully without the use of nickserv etc |
| 02:01.05 | rabies | man, i hate wireless nics |
| 02:01.33 | mdh | reco: which zope are you after? 2.7? 3? |
| 02:01.36 | Cronic | Anyone :(? |
| 02:01.46 | Wyzard | reco: I'm running unstable, but that isn't *too* different from sarge yet, and I see zope2.6 packages, zope2.7 packages, and two called zope3-lib and zope3-doc |
| 02:02.03 | mdh | Cronic: you can't limit the bandwidth of incoming traffic! |
| 02:02.06 | reco | i need 2.7.6 and 2.8 cvs so 2 running verions |
| 02:02.14 | mdh | Cronic: that has to be done at the other end of your link |
| 02:02.26 | Marco666 | how can you disable 'ping' for normal users? |
| 02:02.43 | rabies | oy...this takes forever to d/l... |
| 02:02.44 | Cronic | When you limit the outgoing traffic, wont that limit the total connection? |
| 02:02.45 | Wyzard | reco: 2.7.6 specifically? 2.7.5 won't work? |
| 02:02.48 | rabies | Marco666: put the binary in /usr/sbin |
| 02:02.54 | rabies | Marco666: or /sbin if you'd like |
| 02:03.06 | reco | Wyzard: i am a zope developer so i need to checkout new versions all the time... yes 2.7.6 |
| 02:03.18 | Wyzard | reco: ah, ok, that explains a lot |
| 02:03.22 | mdh | reco: you should be able to install 2.7.5 and then use the zope package up upgrade (like, the package yoiu install in the zope control panel) |
| 02:03.29 | doleyb | rabies: um, normal uses run /sbin stuff all the time. |
| 02:03.38 | Wyzard | reco: In that case, you should consider helping the Debian maintainer of the zope packages :-) |
| 02:03.47 | rabies | doleyb: name one program they use... |
| 02:03.50 | doleyb | lsof |
| 02:03.58 | mdh | reco: if you're a zope developer, maybe it'd be nice to help out in the debian zope packaging so its always up to date :) |
| 02:04.07 | claudio_ | Marco666: why would you want to disable ping? |
| 02:04.19 | Wyzard | rabies: Putting stuff in /sbin doesn't prevent anyone from running it |
| 02:04.27 | Marco666 | cuz i don't want users to fuck up my server? |
| 02:04.30 | reco | Wyzard: mdh: yes i got the idea, my only prob is i am totaly new to debian... otherwise i would be willing ;* |
| 02:04.30 | mdh | reco: zope has always lagged behind somewhat in Debian :( |
| 02:04.33 | rabies | doleyb: um...no |
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| 02:04.44 | Cronic | mdh: What about traffic forwarded to the machine? |
| 02:04.51 | rabies | Wyzard: why is /sbin in the user's $PATH? |
| 02:04.53 | Wyzard | Marco666: How will ping damage your server? |
| 02:04.57 | rabies | sbin means superuser bin |
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| 02:05.07 | Marco666 | not my machine but other machines |
| 02:05.20 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean "superuser bin" |
| 02:05.26 | Wyzard | rabies: Programs in /sbin aren't *typically* used by non-root users... but there's nothing stopping non-root users from running them if they want to |
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| 02:05.30 | mdh | Cronic: when you limit outgoing traffic, it does exactly that - limit the egress. your upstream must limit ingress traffic. |
| 02:05.36 | Wyzard | Marco666: How will ping damage anyone else's computer? |
| 02:05.43 | reco | mdh: wired. everybody on the #plone recommend debian ;) |
| 02:05.43 | rabies | Wyzard: just make the directory -x for users... |
| 02:05.45 | claudio_ | Marco666: through ping -f? |
| 02:05.49 | rabies | Wyzard: not very hard you know |
| 02:05.56 | Marco666 | damn |
| 02:05.56 | Marco666 | wtf |
| 02:06.01 | Marco666 | i just wanna know |
| 02:06.01 | Marco666 | ;x |
| 02:06.02 | rabies | Wyzard: if they cant ls the directory then they have no idea whats in it |
| 02:06.03 | Wyzard | rabies: Yes, but there's zero point in doing that |
| 02:06.07 | nse | Hello verybody, what about Kylix, is it good to learn? Is it free as it should? |
| 02:06.26 | mdh | Cronic: you generally want to limit outgoing so your own link isn't flooded by internal clients, to make the use of the bandwidth you have fair |
| 02:06.29 | rabies | Wyzard: what a user doesnt know cant hurt him... |
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| 02:06.59 | claudio_ | Marco666: you can chmod a-x it |
| 02:07.00 | mdh | Cronic: you can't help what comes back down the link though |
| 02:07.02 | Cronic | mdh: What we want to do. Is limit x.x.x.x to 512Kbit/sec. |
| 02:07.07 | Cronic | Is this possible with tc? |
| 02:07.20 | desconhecidocdm | i need help |
| 02:07.24 | Cronic | from the server |
| 02:07.25 | bob2 | you can't limit incoming traffic at all |
| 02:07.27 | Wyzard | rabies: There's zero benefit in restricting access to /sbin |
| 02:07.29 | rabies | Marco666: just hide the ejectuable... |
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| 02:07.36 | rabies | marcel: executable* |
| 02:07.38 | rabies | er |
| 02:07.40 | rabies | thats for Marco666 |
| 02:07.43 | claudio_ | Marco666: or perhaps remove the suid bit |
| 02:07.51 | Marco666 | hm ok |
| 02:07.56 | mdh | Cronic: you can limit outgoing traffic to x.x.x.x to whatever bandwidth you want |
| 02:08.09 | karsten | mdh: Yes, with traffic shaping. |
| 02:08.12 | reco | mdh: the current zope installes python 2.2 is there any way to foce it to use 2.3? |
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| 02:08.14 | Wyzard | rabies: The programs in /sbin can't do privileged things when run by non-privileged users, but many of them do have valid non-privileged uses |
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| 02:08.19 | karsten | mdh: Doh. You're saying, not telling. |
| 02:08.32 | mdh | reco: the 2.7.5 packages use python 2.3 |
| 02:08.35 | claudio_ | desconhecidocdm: don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 02:08.44 | Wyzard | rabies: A malicious user trying to gain root will just write their own exploit, or compile one written by somebody else |
| 02:08.51 | mdh | !beer karsten |
| 02:08.55 | rabies | Wyzard: you know how pointless this lecture is? |
| 02:09.02 | karsten | mdh: Thanks.... |
| 02:09.02 | Wyzard | rabies: Restricting access to /sbin does nothing but inconvenience legitimate users |
| 02:09.14 | rabies | Wyzard: go team? |
| 02:09.36 | karsten | Wyzard: On a sufficiently big system, you could provide specific access to /sbin to authorized users. |
| 02:09.38 | reco | mdh: thanx sorry i search the wrong place ;) |
| 02:09.43 | mdh | Cronic: but x.x.x.x can use up all the bandwidth to your server unless something on its end of your link is limiting it |
| 02:09.48 | Wyzard | rabies: I don't care what you do on your own system, but you shouldn't tell people to put stuff in a restricted /sbin as if it will gain them any sort of security |
| 02:09.50 | karsten | Wyzard: Noting the limitations of that philosophy... |
| 02:10.07 | karsten | bbiam.... |
| 02:10.17 | rabies | Wyzard: he wasnt asking about security, he was asking about making it so that when people type "ping" nothing happens |
| 02:10.36 | weilawei | okay this will seem stupid.. i have a deb downloaded and i need to install it.. it wasnt in the official tree soooo... i had to download it |
| 02:10.38 | mdh | rabies: just chmod ping so noone else can run it |
| 02:10.41 | weilawei | how? |
| 02:10.44 | Wyzard | rabies: Yes, and he didn't want people running ping because he believes that ping can somehow damage his computer or someone else's |
| 02:10.56 | Wyzard | rabies: Correct the misinformation; don't feed it |
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| 02:11.22 | rabies | Wyzard: many times people arent as unintelligent as you think... |
| 02:11.27 | jbmigel | to add samba share do i edit this smb.conf and just put in the paths i want out or is there better way? |
| 02:11.30 | rabies | mdh: that works fine too... |
| 02:11.39 | mdh | reco: even if you don't run sid/unstable you can put a deb-src line for it in your /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-get source foopkg" to get the sources and debian build stuff for foopkg, then use "debuild" to create binaries |
| 02:11.55 | Wyzard | rabies: <Marco666> cuz i don't want users to fuck up my server? |
| 02:12.00 | daedalus_ | rabies: /sbin means "Static Binary", that is to say, statically linked binaries. (at least, this is where it originated). Coincidentally, most statically linked binaries are very low level apps that are typically only used by the root user.... |
| 02:12.07 | mdh | rabies: a trickier way would be to use POSIX ACL's so the use of ping is restricted to whoever you want |
| 02:12.23 | rabies | mdh: as long as the filesystem supports it |
| 02:12.23 | doleyb | daedalus_: maybe it used to mean "static", but today there are many dynamic progs in debians /sbin |
| 02:12.31 | rabies | daedalus_: very informative |
| 02:12.33 | daedalus_ | boleyb: True. |
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| 02:12.48 | reco | mdh: i m gonna look into it :) |
| 02:12.51 | rabies | Wyzard: he might know something you dont |
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| 02:13.09 | weilawei | okay figured that out.. ive installed sun java from their binary.. how do i trick debian packaging into thinking it installed the package sun-j2sdk1.5 |
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| 02:13.36 | Wyzard | rabies: Possible, but from what he said it's far more likely that he just didn't know... Occam's Razor and all that |
| 02:13.36 | rabies | weilawei: use java-package |
| 02:13.46 | weilawei | rabies, but it says package not found or w/e |
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| 02:13.54 | rabies | weilawei: gotta grab it from unstable |
| 02:14.07 | Wyzard | rabies: Anyway, chmod'ing it would be enough; no need to move it into /sbin |
| 02:14.16 | rabies | Wyzard: yup |
| 02:14.19 | Wyzard | rabies: And a user could just download a ping binary from another system and run that |
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| 02:14.38 | rabies | Wyzard: at that point them running ping is the least of your worries :) |
| 02:15.05 | airlynx | anybody got a beer? |
| 02:15.12 | daedalus_ | !beer me |
| 02:15.12 | weilawei | rabies: apt-get install java-package |
| 02:15.15 | rabies | if someone has that much access and wants to do something malicious you are in trouble |
| 02:15.17 | claudio_ | Wyzard: ping is a suid executable, you need to be root to ping |
| 02:15.18 | weilawei | i have unstable as my source now |
| 02:15.23 | doleyb | echo alias ping="don't screw with that you freaks" >> /etc/profile |
| 02:15.24 | weilawei | ? |
| 02:15.24 | rabies | weilawei: k |
| 02:15.28 | rabies | ya |
| 02:15.32 | weilawei | thx |
| 02:15.34 | rabies | weilawei: apt-cache search it if you need to |
| 02:15.42 | rabies | weilawei: personally i'd just d/l it off the webpage, but that works too |
| 02:15.45 | Wyzard | rabies: It doesn't take much access to download or write a program and run it |
| 02:16.13 | doleyb | One could do an iptables rule to drop outgoing pings |
| 02:16.17 | Wyzard | rabies: Anyway, my point is, if there's anything exploitable in /sbin stuff, a user could just write his or her own program to exploit the same vulnerability |
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| 02:16.27 | rabies | Wyzard: k |
| 02:16.56 | nse | hello people, could you point me out one good graphical programming language for linux systems? i'm looking for something which is easy to manipulate and create good GUIs. |
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| 02:17.12 | rabies | nse: try visual basic on windows |
| 02:17.17 | Wyzard | nse: Python-GTK maybe? |
| 02:17.41 | claudio_ | nse: depends on your preferred language |
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| 02:18.13 | doleyb | nse: kturtle |
| 02:18.31 | Wyzard | nse: or Mono Basic maybe, with GTK# since Mono doesn't support WinForms yet |
| 02:19.03 | rob_lt | Hi. I burnt a dvd iso (external usb burner) using k3b, nautilus, and even dvddecrypter through wine, and between the iso and the 3 discs I get 4 different md5sums. Is there a reliable way to burn dvds right now? |
| 02:19.07 | rabies | nse: not to be sarcastic and all, but your language sounded a bit...uh...simplistic |
| 02:19.35 | rabies | rob_lt: growisofs is the best...dvddecrypter doesnt even burn correctly on windows |
| 02:19.46 | rabies | rob_lt: growisofs is the only linux app really |
| 02:19.51 | Wyzard | rob_lt: Do you mean that the files' md5sums are different from each other, or different from the MD5SUMS file on the website? |
| 02:20.46 | Wyzard | rob_lt: It's normal and expected for different files to have different md5sums, but each one should match its entry in the MD5SUMS file |
| 02:20.56 | rob_lt | I created an iso (backing up a purchased dvd, of course) and then burnt it to disk. I md5summed the iso, and then /dev/sr0 with the disc in. I never get the same md5sum. |
| 02:21.11 | Wyzard | rob_lt: (Actually, if you found two different files with the same md5sum, you'd be a celebrity in the computer world) |
| 02:21.43 | Azar | it seems that "iptables restart" command does not exist, it seems a Red Hat command how do I do it in Debian? |
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| 02:22.00 | bob2 | ident does not sux! |
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| 02:22.16 | rob_lt | I'm not new to linux, but I'm not a guru. I've found growisofs to be an unrealiable POS. I wonder how long til libburn or something equivelent is implemented. |
| 02:22.18 | coywolf | !qmake |
| 02:22.18 | Withdraw | how can i check what kinda file system is in a dev? |
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| 02:22.40 | Wyzard | Azar: You mean something like /etc/init.d/iptables restart? (used to exist, but I don't know whether it still does) |
| 02:22.51 | rabies | rob_lt: due to some 2.6.x thing you have to burn as root when burning to ATAPI devices... |
| 02:22.56 | rob_lt | nse, take Wyzards suggestion and look at python and pygtk or pyglade. |
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| 02:23.01 | Wyzard | Azar: I seem to remember recommending FireHOL to you a week or two ago |
| 02:23.14 | Sintigan | Hey, anyone ever had problems running dancer-services on debian? |
| 02:23.16 | Sintigan | i get it to run secessfully without the use of nickserv etc |
| 02:23.16 | Azar | yah Wyzard after I change the chains policies, I need to issue a restart in the new mode |
| 02:23.25 | SC_44 | can anyone help me??? |
| 02:23.31 | rabies | rob_lt: ever think that your dvd burn might be a POS? |
| 02:23.37 | jbmigel | ok i can view the samba share on my file server from my workstation, but it wont let me browse the folders, it doesnt take my user info as password |
| 02:23.38 | daedalus_ | SC_44: Only if you aska question |
| 02:23.40 | Azar | Wyzard, at the stage my Debian is at now I cannot afford any "program" |
| 02:23.43 | SC_44 | kk :p |
| 02:23.51 | Wyzard | Azar: If you're editing iptables rules manually, the changes take effect immediately; you don't have to restart anything |
| 02:23.54 | rob_lt | rabies, not |
| 02:23.58 | rob_lt | s/not/no |
| 02:23.58 | SC_44 | well i just intalled Debian and im sitting here looking at a command line |
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| 02:24.01 | SC_44 | what do i do now?! |
| 02:24.08 | Azar | Wyzard, good enough, thanks :) |
| 02:24.10 | rob_lt | SC_44, crack a beer |
| 02:24.11 | SC_44 | im a noob as you can see |
| 02:24.15 | SC_44 | done that |
| 02:24.17 | daedalus_ | Azar: /etc/init.d/iptables restart should exist |
| 02:24.35 | Azar | daedalus_ thanks I will try that |
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| 02:24.38 | daedalus_ | SC_44: Well, what do you want to do? |
| 02:24.41 | mtnman | sc_44: what is your goal? |
| 02:24.50 | SC_44 | ummm, how do i get GNOME? |
| 02:24.50 | rob_lt | SC_44, apt-get install x-window-system && apt-get install desktop_of_your_choice && apt-get install kdm/gdm (depending) |
| 02:24.52 | Wyzard | Azar: "iptables restart" would restore some iptables rules stored in a file, probably replacing your manual customizations |
| 02:24.59 | SC_44 | ohhhh |
| 02:25.01 | SC_44 | that sounds nice |
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| 02:25.14 | Wyzard | SC_44: "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" will get you GNOME |
| 02:25.25 | SC_44 | wow, cool, trying now |
| 02:25.30 | daedalus_ | SC_44: Or, better yet, run tasksel and select "Desktop". Then you can switch around and get a feel for things |
| 02:25.33 | Wyzard | SC_44: (That will install quite a few packages as dependencies, including all of X if you don't have it already) |
| 02:25.33 | weilawei | gdm == evil |
| 02:25.42 | Azar | hmm /etc/init.d/iptables restart gave : Aborting iptables load: unknown ruleset, "active" |
| 02:25.45 | weilawei | kdm == eviller |
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| 02:26.07 | SC_44 | ok |
| 02:26.09 | SC_44 | hmmm |
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| 02:26.29 | TNKS | hi all. I'm on the Testing distro, and I was wondering if anyone had issues with Gnome's "command line" panel applet. |
| 02:26.38 | SC_44 | i think i already installed Desktop Enviornment |
| 02:26.51 | SC_44 | any way i can check? |
| 02:27.00 | rob_lt | SC_44, dpkg -l | grep whatever |
| 02:27.05 | Wyzard | Azar: Read the comments at the top of /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 02:27.09 | TNKS | Mine isn't making the applet active anymore, and I can't type anything in it. |
| 02:27.15 | Azar | will do Wyzard |
| 02:27.21 | TNKS | I think it might have started with a recent apt-get upgrade. |
| 02:27.31 | Wyzard | Azar: (Files in /etc/default are configuration for scripts in /etc/init.d) |
| 02:27.31 | mdh | rob_lt: useless use of grep |
| 02:27.52 | daedalus_ | Azar: if you just exec /etc/init.d/iptables, it will give you some useage info |
| 02:27.59 | mdh | the dpkg -l command takes an expression as an argument, just dpkg -l 'gnome*' |
| 02:28.15 | Wyzard | Azar: Note that that whole system is just there to provide *something* if no real firewall package is installed |
| 02:28.28 | daedalus_ | SC_44: Run tasksel again. If it's checked, then you installed it |
| 02:28.44 | SC_44 | oh great...how do i login as root? |
| 02:29.02 | Wyzard | Azar: It'd be much preferable to install something like FireHOL, maybe by downloading the .deb and transferring it over on a floppy or USB stick |
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| 02:29.09 | Wyzard | SC_44: Type "su" at your command prompt |
| 02:29.14 | SC_44 | ok, thx |
| 02:29.16 | Wyzard | SC_44: Type "exit" or press Ctrl-D when you're done |
| 02:29.26 | SC_44 | ahhh |
| 02:29.34 | SC_44 | ok |
| 02:29.42 | rob_lt | mdh, I see, but I'm so used to piping to grep I never even think of it. |
| 02:30.02 | Wyzard | SC_44: Actually logging in as root is discouraged, especially to a whole desktop environment like GNOME, because then you have lots of apps running as root that really don't need to be |
| 02:30.24 | Wyzard | SC_44: Always use "su" when you need to run commands as root, rather than logging in as root |
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| 02:30.31 | frank_b | hi all |
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| 02:30.44 | daedalus_ | Azar: why don't you install a simple, highly restrictive iptables ruleset like I gave you the other day, and then follow Wyzards advice and install a firewall app? |
| 02:30.44 | weilawei | Wyzard, sudo as well |
| 02:30.56 | Wyzard | weilawei: I know, but SC_44 is an absolute newbie |
| 02:31.04 | weilawei | Wyzard oh. >_< |
| 02:31.18 | SC_44 | hmmmm...i think its DLing the desktop |
| 02:31.20 | Wyzard | weilawei: "always use su" is a good rule of thumb until he learns enough to know when other tools are appropriate |
| 02:31.23 | weilawei | i shjould have realized since you were explaining root |
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| 02:31.32 | SC_44 | yes indeed, i am a major noob |
| 02:31.39 | Supaplex | !noob |
| 02:31.40 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 02:31.44 | weilawei | lol |
| 02:31.48 | SC_44 | lol, i figured |
| 02:31.51 | daedalus_ | !lol |
| 02:31.52 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 02:31.53 | rob_lt | !lol |
| 02:31.56 | Wyzard | SC_44: As weilawei mentioned, there are some other tools (most notably sudo) for managing root privileges... but stick with su for now |
| 02:31.56 | frank_b | debian doesn't install a driver for my ATI "Radeon 9250 SE" graphic card... any suggestions? |
| 02:32.02 | SC_44 | this is my first hour with Linux |
| 02:32.02 | weilawei | i like dead kittens |
| 02:32.03 | rob_lt | beat me to it |
| 02:32.12 | weilawei | SC_44, bravo man |
| 02:32.16 | Azar | daedalus_ all night last night I managed to make some rules but I am not confident they are ok , can I have that table from you again? |
| 02:32.24 | daedalus_ | SC_44: Welcome. Don't let yourself get too frustrated |
| 02:32.24 | rob_lt | SC_44, well, getting to a command line, you are doing pretty good. |
| 02:32.48 | Bangers | can you have comments and new lines in /etc/passwd ? |
| 02:32.56 | SC_44 | kk, it doesnt see TOO complicated. i guess just a matter or learning the basics first |
| 02:33.09 | Supaplex | while tail /dev/urandom ; do :&done ; wait |
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| 02:33.15 | daedalus_ | Azar: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; iptables -P INPUT -j DROP should keep all the baddies out while you get comfortable |
| 02:33.20 | Wyzard | Azar: You can completely bypass the need for custom iptables rules by using a different machine to download the firewall package |
| 02:33.27 | Supaplex | er nm that. |
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| 02:33.31 | mdh | "Is it just me & you? Lets go to the bank, take out all the money, and see what we can buy" - my boss to me right now |
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| 02:33.47 | Supaplex | while :do tail /dev/urandom &done ; wait |
| 02:33.47 | Azar | ah I see now, thanks a lot daedalus_ |
| 02:33.59 | rob_lt | SC_44, for a self-proclaimed n00b, I would read a debian package management tutorial and then go through a bash tutorial or two. |
| 02:34.11 | SC_44 | ok |
| 02:34.14 | rob_lt | s/read/recommend reading |
| 02:34.24 | SC_44 | i tried reading some of those turorials..kept getting lost |
| 02:34.26 | jbmigel | when i execute smbpasswd it failes, telling me it rejected anonymous passed : account diabled" how am i supposed to log on?? |
| 02:34.52 | Wyzard | jbmigel: You have to "smbpasswd -a <user>" first (as root) to actually add the user to the samba database |
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| 02:35.10 | rob_lt | SC_44, just don't be afraid to experiment and potentially hose your system. If you've got broadband and use the netinstall, you can be back up and running in under an hour. |
| 02:35.12 | Wyzard | jbmigel: samba users are completely independent from normal accounts, [homes] feature notwithstanding |
| 02:35.41 | SC_44 | kk |
| 02:35.58 | SC_44 | can't wait to get a desktop going |
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| 02:37.19 | doleyb | SC_44: I hope you've tried knoppix or some other non-install linux version first. |
| 02:37.28 | SC_44 | nope : / |
| 02:37.40 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
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| 02:37.46 | Wyzard | SC_44: Nah, that doesn't matter too much |
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| 02:38.05 | doleyb | SC_44: i don't want to be discourage, but usually debian isn't recommended for people who haven't used linux before. |
| 02:38.12 | Wyzard | Knoppix didn't exist when I started using Debian :-) |
| 02:38.28 | SC_44 | ohh geessss |
| 02:38.46 | Wyzard | SC_44: doleyb has a point though... Debian works fine as a desktop, but desktop systems aren't really its target audience |
| 02:39.01 | doleyb | If you were installing ubuntu for example, you'd already have your gnome gui up by now. |
| 02:39.12 | Wyzard | SC_44: Ubuntu (which is based on Debian, and quite similar in most ways) is aimed at desktops, and will set up X and GNOME as part of the standard installation |
| 02:39.17 | SC_44 | hmmm, well i guess if i can figure out Debian i should be ok |
| 02:39.23 | mlalkaka | i updated by testing distribution using synaptic package manager (which uses gksu), and now whenever i open synaptic, after entering the root password, it asks me for a password for a keyring. what's a keyring and what does it do? |
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| 02:39.25 | jasz | hello |
| 02:39.34 | doleyb | yes, if you want to learn things it's good... just be prepared to learn and work a little. |
| 02:39.51 | doleyb | if you just want to click&go&never stop to think, don't be debian. |
| 02:40.01 | SC_44 | does this Desktop Enviornment in Debian have GNOME? i am seeing alot of files with "Gnome" in their name |
| 02:40.05 | Wyzard | SC_44: Yes... just be aware that Debian has a bit of a learning curve that some people find intimidating |
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| 02:40.16 | Wyzard | SC_44: Yes, Debian has GNOME |
| 02:40.16 | SC_44 | ahh ok |
| 02:40.19 | SC_44 | cool |
| 02:40.26 | jasz | which line should I add to /etc/apt/sources.list to get the latest packages in the stable release of Debian? |
| 02:40.37 | doleyb | Debian has everything. |
| 02:40.54 | Nurbs_ | doleyb: not really, no :) |
| 02:40.54 | Wyzard | SC_44: The stable release (sarge) has GNOME 2.8, because Debian stable releases focus on software that's "tried-and-true" rather than "latest-and-greatest"; Ubuntu, which is more desktop-oriented, has GNOME 2.10, the latest version |
| 02:41.03 | SC_44 | hmmm, well i was actually thinking of using this as a webserver, so it might work out ok |
| 02:41.11 | claudio_ | doleyb: it doesn't have the softgun arm emulator |
| 02:41.11 | jasz | i have deb http://ftp.debian.org/ stable main |
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| 02:41.49 | jbmigel | Wyzard thanks yes i have added my used and set his password, however i am still unable to login to the share through gnome, It displays the samba share but wont login. what do i put for "domain" my win workgroup or server comp or client comp names? |
| 02:41.58 | claudio_ | doleyb: other than that it has pretty much everything, yeah |
| 02:42.24 | doleyb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.33 | Wyzard | jbmigel: The "workgroup" should match the one in configured in your smb.conf, but I'm not sure whether that actually matters |
| 02:42.40 | mdh | debian doesn't have pekwm. but you can get packages at http://mh.dropbear.id.au/debian/ |
| 02:43.16 | jasz | is php5 included in the stable release of debian? |
| 02:43.22 | FieldySnuts | jasz: heh. no. |
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| 02:43.24 | mdh | jasz: no |
| 02:43.25 | Wyzard | jbmigel: IMO, Samba's configuration is a mishmash of random options for compatibility with all sorts of different software and versions of things, so I don't really like it very much, so I don't use it much |
| 02:43.32 | FieldySnuts | php5 and stable are opposites |
| 02:43.42 | jbmigel | Wyzard yes both my server and client have connected to the windows network before... Im trying to now setup a share for windows comps to read from |
| 02:43.47 | FieldySnuts | Wyzard: the problem is it has so damn many options |
| 02:43.52 | mdh | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 02:43.59 | rick50 | Hi, has anyone found drivers that work with the Canon i960? Turboprint seems to work fine though I'll need to purchase a license |
| 02:44.00 | FieldySnuts | !date mdh |
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| 02:44.06 | jasz | so.. if i want php5 .. should i get testing or unstable or what? |
| 02:44.07 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 02:44.30 | jbmigel | Wyzard ya i prefer nfs too but i dont think there is windows port for that one yet ;) |
| 02:44.50 | mdh | jasz: even unstable doesn't have php5 |
| 02:44.55 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: That's not the only problem -- I'm still trying to figure out why half my samba accounts have password expiration and half dont, and why it took me an hour to discover the tool to even find this out -- but it's certainly a problem |
| 02:45.01 | doleyb | jbmigel: there is a windows nfs, if you have money. And actually microsoft even has an official one in the "Unix Compat Kit" |
| 02:45.08 | jasz | damn |
| 02:45.09 | mdh | jasz: I'd look for a backport on apt-get.org |
| 02:45.17 | jasz | mdh.. ok |
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| 02:45.35 | Wyzard | jbmigel: I dunno, I think I like NFS even less, due to its being absolutely and completely insecure except on a fully-trusted network |
| 02:45.43 | mdh | jasz: I've heard lots of bad reports wrt. stability about php5 |
| 02:45.55 | mdh | which probably explains why it hasn't been packaged yet |
| 02:45.56 | FieldySnuts | that's an understatement |
| 02:46.22 | jbmigel | doleyb thats good to know, though i cant see myself buying ms products so they can read linux rofl, ill have to do with samba |
| 02:46.29 | mdh | Wyzard: NFS4 fixes that i think |
| 02:46.34 | nvz | FieldySnuts: re: nfs or php5? |
| 02:46.51 | FieldySnuts | php5, but nfs sucks too |
| 02:46.56 | SC_44 | do i want to entrust dont managment to defoma?? |
| 02:46.57 | jbmigel | Wyzard if not nfs or samba then what you use?? |
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| 02:47.04 | SC_44 | font* |
| 02:47.08 | FieldySnuts | SC_44: huh? |
| 02:47.11 | jasz | hm |
| 02:47.13 | Rico | HELLO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WINDOWS PINBALL |
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| 02:47.16 | Rico | IT SUCKS |
| 02:47.20 | Wyzard | mdh: I might look into it then... but the CIFS protocol apparently has "Unix extensions" that Linux supports, so Samba might do well as a fileserver for other Unix systems... but I haven't tried it |
| 02:47.22 | doleyb | SC_44: yes, defoma is fine |
| 02:47.25 | SC_44 | idk, this thing just asked me after i installed the desktop enviornmnet |
| 02:47.28 | SC_44 | ok |
| 02:47.28 | daedalus_ | wyzard: nfs4 fixes the insecure bit |
| 02:47.28 | SC_44 | thx |
| 02:47.30 | Wyzard | jbmigel: scp, or tar and netcat |
| 02:47.32 | Sintigan | i need an irc guru, msg me if u can help |
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| 02:47.43 | doleyb | SC_44: and for this part, if you don't know the answer, default is ok. |
| 02:47.43 | Wyzard | jbmigel: With one PC and one fileserver, I don't need an elaborate setup :-) |
| 02:47.50 | mdh | Wyzard: the trouble is, SMB is such a noisy protocol. I'd rather NFS any day over it. |
| 02:47.52 | nvz | Sintigan: why not ask a question |
| 02:48.16 | Wyzard | mdh: Well, strictly speaking, SMB is obsolete, and CIFS is its replacement... I dunno whether it's any better though |
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| 02:48.36 | daedalus_ | Sintigan: Ask a question here. Public forum will get you the most accurate answer |
| 02:48.40 | jbmigel | Wyzard ya but im doing this for the 2 windows users downstairs... so they can get my files but they wouldnt ever learn scp they want to click |
| 02:48.44 | [2hmc] | how do i invoke a volume mixer in debian i have xmms |
| 02:48.59 | mdh | Wyzard: it might be okay just amongst unix boxes because samba is written right ;) but don't put any ms crap on your network |
| 02:49.00 | nvz | [2hmc]: xmms can adjust the volume |
| 02:49.09 | MrKeuner | hi, when I run find . -name *~ -exec rm -i {} \; on my system, instead of prompting for each of the files it lists them all and quits. What can be the problem? |
| 02:49.15 | [2hmc] | yes i know nut to a certain point |
| 02:49.18 | nvz | [2hmc]: the prefs I believe even let you choose if you are adjusting the main or the pcm |
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| 02:49.31 | Wyzard | jbmigel: Well, the Windows SSH client has a GUI SFTP client... but I agree Samba is probably the best way |
| 02:49.38 | nvz | [2hmc]: yeah to all points significatly between 0-100% |
| 02:49.39 | mdh | jbmigel: install an ftp server, get some decent ftp client for them |
| 02:49.50 | Wyzard | jbmigel: I can't help much though... I got my Samba setup working several years ago and basically haven't touched it since then |
| 02:49.54 | rick50 | btw, is it a bug that only allows root to access a creative jukebox 1 with gnomad2? something about libnjb and permissions on /proc/bus/usb? |
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| 02:50.17 | doleyb | MrKeuner: if you were certain the filenames contained no spaces, I'd say "find . *~ |xargs -n1 rm -i" |
| 02:50.27 | [2hmc] | i have xmms wmxmms and other but i didnt get the mixer |
| 02:50.31 | daedalus_ | MrKeuner: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 02:50.49 | nvz | [2hmc]: xmms has a volume control right on the main window, and also the eq when its collapsed |
| 02:50.54 | nvz | or shaded |
| 02:51.00 | MrKeuner | trying to delete all *~ files on system after a prompt |
| 02:51.08 | nvz | it controls the master or the pcm depending on the setting |
| 02:51.23 | nvz | if you have the pcm all the way up switch it to master :P |
| 02:51.26 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ this line works on another system somehow |
| 02:51.27 | nvz | or install a mixer |
| 02:51.36 | nvz | there isnt one in the base system, you have to install it |
| 02:51.54 | [2hmc] | i have the volume all the way up and its not the highest volume i got on sarge |
| 02:52.05 | nvz | there isnt really anything that depends on a mixer other than a user.. therefore the user must install it |
| 02:52.11 | jbmigel | wow you know mdh i wasnt even thinking of ftp i already have all that set up, i think im going to do it that way cuz i think samba is weird for no reason. |
| 02:52.14 | mdh | MrKeuner: that *~ is being expanded by your shell |
| 02:52.16 | [2hmc] | iin sarge i had a mixer |
| 02:52.19 | doleyb | [2hmc]: try program like aumix, kmix, alsamixer, or something |
| 02:52.35 | MrKeuner | mdh/ how can I prevent it? |
| 02:52.40 | nvz | the volume as I said 3 times now only controls one volume at a time, you have to adjust your settings |
| 02:52.46 | mdh | MrKeuner: quote it. find . -name '*~' -exec rm -i {}\; |
| 02:52.52 | doleyb | MrKeuner: find . -name \*~ -exec rm {} \; |
| 02:52.54 | [2hmc] | that one knmix i remember this is ewn to me sorry |
| 02:52.59 | jasz | *sigh* |
| 02:53.11 | [2hmc] | ok |
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| 02:53.23 | nichos | hi all, i have DVD i'd like to burn, i have my audio and video TS dirs, but both K3B and graveman give me an i/o error - any ideas? |
| 02:53.32 | nvz | come to think of it DE meta packages probably depend on mixers |
| 02:53.36 | nvz | I guess I was wrong |
| 02:53.52 | MrKeuner | mdh/ find . -name '*~' -exec rm -i {}\; also lists them all |
| 02:53.57 | nvz | damn a DE to hell, though is what I say |
| 02:54.04 | weilawei | okay despite my best efforts, i cannt install azureus |
| 02:54.10 | weilawei | or java for that matter |
| 02:54.14 | nvz | all they are good for is keeping a good distro down |
| 02:55.16 | [2hmc] | than u for help in me guys this is definitelly the best support team believe me i have tried some distros keep up the best ...bye |
| 02:55.24 | mdh | MrKeuner: the -i to rm will tell it to prompt on every file |
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| 02:55.40 | mdh | MrKeuner: that's what you wanted, right? |
| 02:55.44 | MrKeuner | yes |
| 02:56.03 | MrKeuner | but it lists them all doesn't ask me anything and exits |
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| 02:56.11 | doleyb | MrKeuner: did you try mine? |
| 02:56.12 | rob_lt | weilawei, did you use the debian java package? |
| 02:56.21 | alberto_ | i just got a new IPOD :-) |
| 02:56.35 | nvz | what happened to the old one? |
| 02:56.35 | alberto_ | what software can i use with my ipod ? |
| 02:56.36 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ yours deleted all of them without prompt of course. I didn't realize it idn't have -i |
| 02:56.37 | weilawei | rob_lt, look, i've been trying.. give me commands.. it doesnt work. every time i try to install something it tells me it doesnt exist or its uninstallable |
| 02:56.49 | doleyb | haha whee! |
| 02:56.51 | nvz | alberto_: gtkpod, or even better? amarok |
| 02:56.53 | rob_lt | weilawei, ok, just relax. |
| 02:56.58 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ now after creating some sample ~ files |
| 02:57.05 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ it doesn't work either |
| 02:57.08 | weilawei | alberto_, rhythmbox |
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| 02:57.12 | rob_lt | weilawei, what have you done so far? What do you have installed? |
| 02:57.13 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ it also lists them all and ezits |
| 02:57.18 | mdh | MrKeuner: you might need to "find . -name '*~' -print0 | xargs -0 rm -i" |
| 02:57.19 | MrKeuner | exits |
| 02:57.20 | nephlim | anyone here ever have problems with squirrelmail? |
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| 02:57.27 | weilawei | rob_lt, basically nothing now.. i think i got gij installed somewhere by accident |
| 02:57.41 | weilawei | rob_lt, assume i havent even tried yet |
| 02:57.42 | nvz | weilawei: rhythmbox can transfer songs to an ipod, and manage its database? |
| 02:57.47 | mfrisch | I can't get ssh to authenticate me with keys. |
| 02:57.57 | alberto_ | rythmbox doest wan to work |
| 02:57.58 | weilawei | nvz it can read from it at least.. ive been listening to mine all night |
| 02:58.03 | mdh | or "for i in *~; do rm -i $i; done" |
| 02:58.11 | MrKeuner | mdh/ it also lists them all |
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| 02:58.21 | mdh | or "for i in `find . -name '*~'`; do rm -i $i; done" |
| 02:58.26 | rob_lt | weilawei, ok, apt-get install java-package |
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| 02:58.48 | Xibit0r | EXECUTION MESSAGE - C:\mysql\bin\mysqlimport: Error: Can't connect to MySQL serv |
| 02:58.48 | Xibit0r | er on '192.168.1.9' (10061)þ |
| 02:58.49 | rob_lt | weilawei, I'm going to do this along with you, as I haven't installed java on this machine yet. |
| 02:58.56 | nvz | weilawei: I dont think so |
| 02:59.04 | Xibit0r | the user has a host of 192.168.1.8 which is where connection is coming from |
| 02:59.12 | weilawei | nvz, are you telling me i havent been using it all night? |
| 02:59.12 | Xibit0r | how come it cannot contact the mysql server? |
| 02:59.13 | MrKeuner | mdh the problem is find . -name *~ -exec rm -i {} \; works on another system |
| 02:59.13 | Xibit0r | o_O |
| 02:59.25 | weilawei | nvz, ive got the iPod hooked up and playing thru rhythmbox |
| 02:59.27 | MrKeuner | mdh/ I would like to find out why it doesn't on mine |
| 02:59.33 | daedalus_ | Xibitor: well...... is the server up? |
| 02:59.34 | MrKeuner | mdh/ may be the shells are different? |
| 02:59.40 | Xibit0r | yeh daedalus_ |
| 02:59.49 | mdh | different shell? different semantics to the way find or rm works? |
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| 02:59.50 | weilawei | rob_lt, okay i have java-package |
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| 03:00.07 | nvz | weilawei: but it can transfer songs onto the ipod and update the database? |
| 03:00.08 | Xibit0r | client lookup is running and online |
| 03:00.12 | weilawei | nvz, no idea |
| 03:00.15 | weilawei | havent tried that yet |
| 03:00.23 | Xibit0r | using localhost in the db connection |
| 03:00.24 | nvz | weilawei: it surely cannot |
| 03:00.28 | Xibit0r | on the LAN machine |
| 03:00.28 | weilawei | alright |
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| 03:00.32 | Xibit0r | it connects to the LAN IP |
| 03:00.32 | daedalus_ | Xibitor: Are all the necessary ports open? |
| 03:00.35 | weilawei | i have gtkpod as well but i loaded it using iTunes |
| 03:00.36 | doleyb | MrKeuner: paste from your testing console into rafb.net/paste |
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| 03:00.54 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ ok |
| 03:00.54 | Xibit0r | daedalus_: yep |
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| 03:01.04 | mdh | http://furius.ca/conf-pub/common/bin/find-rm.html |
| 03:01.08 | MrKeuner | mdh/ both shells are bash by the way |
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| 03:01.27 | nvz | alberto_: is there even a minute chance you wanted a program to play the songs off you ipod on your pc? |
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| 03:01.33 | mdh | MrKeuner: same version though? same options set in rc/profiles ? |
| 03:01.50 | outoflaw | clear |
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| 03:02.20 | rob_lt | weilawei, ok, go to sun's site and download the j2se devel kit version 5.0 (there are other option here, but this is most current and bla bla) |
| 03:02.22 | MrKeuner | mdh/ I am not sure about those |
| 03:02.28 | weilawei | rob_lt, got it already |
| 03:02.31 | weilawei | now what |
| 03:02.44 | alberto_ | nvz, yes |
| 03:02.50 | alberto_ | nvz, why? |
| 03:02.51 | rob_lt | weilawei, the "Linux self-extracting file" |
| 03:02.54 | rob_lt | ? |
| 03:02.55 | daedalus_ | Xibitor: Try using tcpdump to see if data is flowing across the pipe. Look at the logfile on the server to see if the connection is coming in. Turn up verbosity on the client app. |
| 03:02.57 | weilawei | yep.. |
| 03:03.01 | nvz | alberto_: *shrug* sounds silly to me |
| 03:03.08 | weilawei | jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-1586.bin |
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| 03:03.12 | simplydashing | question: what happens if a maintainer has been inactive for years? A package I am using is outdated... |
| 03:03.19 | mdh | MrKeuner: there's options that can modify the way the shell works. Unfortunately (for you) I don't use bash so I wont be of much help |
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| 03:03.22 | weilawei | simplydashing, you STEAL it |
| 03:03.24 | jasz | hello |
| 03:03.29 | nvz | alberto_: I thought when someone says "I got a new ipod" that means they want a program that is capable of putting songs _ON_ the ipod |
| 03:03.29 | alberto_ | nvz, why |
| 03:03.29 | jasz | i just installed debian.. |
| 03:03.44 | alberto_ | nvz, correct |
| 03:03.47 | nvz | alberto_: which rythmbox is not by any means |
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| 03:04.04 | alberto_ | nvz, thats what im trying to acomplish |
| 03:04.08 | mdh | jasz: congratulations. welcome to a better life. |
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| 03:04.11 | alberto_ | put my songs on my ipod :) |
| 03:04.15 | doleyb | I always thought you'd use "mount" to put stuff on ipod. |
| 03:04.27 | simplydashing | weilawei, do you mean a takeover as the new maintainer? |
| 03:04.36 | jasz | and I do "df -h" .. and i get negative numbers in the "size" and only 1.0k in the "used column ... this has never happened before.. any ideas? |
| 03:04.44 | weilawei | simplydashing, lol why not? this is my first day with debian too |
| 03:04.48 | rob_lt | weilawei, make-jpkg /path/to/jdk |
| 03:04.50 | weilawei | butnot linux |
| 03:04.51 | alberto_ | nvz, what do you recomend? |
| 03:04.55 | nvz | alberto_: gtkpod is much like itunes, amarok is all of that and a bag of chips.. though I find the gtkpod is really easy to edit meta-data quickly.. though amarok has an auto-magic meta-data update that still manages to take longer somehow |
| 03:04.58 | jasz | mdh .. thank you.. but I've been a Debian user for the pas 7 years :D |
| 03:05.00 | rob_lt | weilawei, phone rang here, otherwise I wouldn't have been so slow |
| 03:05.00 | weilawei | rob_lt, No Matching plugin was found |
| 03:05.03 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ http://rafb.net/paste/results/pGYJuw91.html |
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| 03:05.15 | simplydashing | ahhhhh, I see weilawei :) |
| 03:05.27 | daedalus_ | Xibitor: If none of those help, try connecting to the server from the server itself, using a commandline (or other appropriate client). |
| 03:05.29 | MrKeuner | mdh/ ok thanks |
| 03:06.03 | rob_lt | weilawei, try as normal user: fakeroot make-jpkg /path/to/jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
| 03:06.11 | weilawei | thats what i did |
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| 03:06.46 | mfrisch | I can't get ssh to authenticate me with keys. |
| 03:06.57 | rob_lt | weilawei, when do you get the error, right away, or are you asked some questions first? |
| 03:07.04 | daedalus_ | weilawei, the blackdown java package is nice. Have to add it to apt sources though |
| 03:07.17 | darkness_ | Anyone here familiar with ttysnoop. Mine worked fine before i upgraded to sarge? |
| 03:07.22 | weilawei | daedalus_, would it work for azureus? |
| 03:07.27 | weilawei | i assume installation is less painful |
| 03:07.35 | weilawei | i dont mind adding things to apt sources |
| 03:07.39 | alberto_ | for some reason gtkpod doesnt like the ipod directory structure |
| 03:07.42 | darkness_ | Now i get "can't connect to server". |
| 03:07.42 | daedalus_ | weilawei, azureus? |
| 03:07.51 | weilawei | yes thats the goal of all this java nonses |
| 03:08.03 | mfrisch | weilawei there's a java deb making prog |
| 03:08.07 | doleyb | weilawei: if you only want to get some bittorrent things, you can get bittornado faster than azureus and java. |
| 03:08.11 | weilawei | mfrisch, i have it.. its not working |
| 03:08.17 | weilawei | doleyb, i like azureus |
| 03:08.32 | jasz | :( |
| 03:08.40 | mfrisch | weilawei worked fine for 1.5.1 |
| 03:08.42 | Xibit0r | daedalus_: it connects from localhost |
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| 03:09.08 | nvz | alberto_: I just heard about amarok last night.. its a really fine all around music manager and player. supports all that gtkpod does, which is just ipod management of its files and database, as well as organizing and playing your music. It supports audiosquabbler, playing streams, automatic downloading of album covers, OSD, musicbrains fingerprinting, and keeps track of your favorite and least played tunes, recommends tunes..etc |
| 03:09.09 | weilawei | daedalus_, tell me, how do i install blackdown painlessly? |
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| 03:09.16 | daedalus_ | weilawei: Yeah, it's based on suns java implementation. Installation is painless. You may have to set your java_home, but it's smooth sailing |
| 03:09.31 | shoutmaya | how to remove package with dependency ? |
| 03:09.33 | mdh | weilawei: check the debian BTS for java-package, there's a bug |
| 03:09.36 | doleyb | MrKeuner: it doesn't help you, but I get the same results from your stuff as you do (on both tcsh and bash). I guess few people try to run interactive things in find-exec. |
| 03:09.40 | nvz | alberto_: and has multiple backend engines for artsd, gstreamer, and xine |
| 03:09.41 | rob_lt | weilawei, the install here is not painful at all, in fact the deb is being created. I assume your error is a result of something you have done previously. If you want, I can upload this deb somewhere and you can download it and install it |
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| 03:09.46 | daedalus_ | !blackdown |
| 03:09.46 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
| 03:09.47 | jasz | any ideas on why am i getting negative numbers after typing "df -h" ? |
| 03:09.51 | rob_lt | weilawei, this is on a very fresh sarge install |
| 03:09.55 | weilawei | rob_lt, that would be lovely... |
| 03:09.57 | shoutmaya | !dependency |
| 03:09.57 | dpkg | i guess dependency is a package needed by another package. Dependencies are pointed out by dpkg. Dependencies are resolved by apt-get. |
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| 03:10.07 | mdh | weilawei: the bug prevents the current jdk from being packaged, its easily fixed by hand |
| 03:10.35 | weilawei | mdh how? |
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| 03:11.00 | snapple | has anyone here installed openmosix on sarge, with the package having been removed... |
| 03:11.10 | mdh | http://bugs.debian.org/java-package |
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| 03:11.19 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ it somehow works on a bash version 2.05a.0(1)-release on my hosting firm's OS |
| 03:11.24 | rob_lt | well, I just used java-package to creat the deb, and it worked flawlessly |
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| 03:11.38 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ mine is version 3.00.16(1)-release |
| 03:11.40 | MobyTurbo | daedalus_: blackdown is old and performance-wise inferior to Sun or IBM Java. The only thing going for it is that you don't need to use a click-thru license to download it. |
| 03:11.40 | doleyb | MrKeuner: it must be something to do with non-interactive shell flags. |
| 03:11.41 | mdh | rob_lt: there's a bug in it that prevents _03 and _04 from building |
| 03:11.43 | rob_lt | weilawei, the deb is uploading now, and I'll give you a linky when it's done |
| 03:11.51 | rob_lt | mdh, I just built 04 |
| 03:11.59 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ where do I find them in rc/profile etc? |
| 03:12.10 | rob_lt | as I was walking weilawei through it, I was following along here, and everything worked just peachy |
| 03:12.24 | weilawei | rob_lt, odd |
| 03:12.34 | alberto_ | gtkpod keeps saying ... iPod directory structure must be present before synching to the iPod can be performed. |
| 03:12.34 | alberto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.41 | alberto_ | anyone had experience with gtkpod ? |
| 03:12.52 | nvz | alberto_: I've used it once |
| 03:12.53 | doleyb | MrKeuner: idk what you just asked, ask someone else. |
| 03:13.00 | mdh | rob_lt: http://bugs.debian.org/313555 |
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| 03:13.13 | daedalus_ | MobyTurbo: works just fine for me, installed about as painlessly as the sun jdk, and it solves apt dependencies. |
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| 03:13.21 | eL_DemeNteGT | hey kien sabe como poner el cuadro del escritorio k soy new en esto???????????????????? |
| 03:13.31 | daedalus_ | !es |
| 03:13.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:13.43 | alberto_ | why does it keep saying that. if those directories are created alredy |
| 03:13.44 | nvz | eL_DemeNteGT: hey, goto #debian-es or speak english |
| 03:13.45 | MobyTurbo | daedalus_: using java-package with Sun (or IBM) Java solves apt dependencies too. |
| 03:13.47 | alberto_ | :-/ |
| 03:13.48 | weilawei | rob_lt, many thanks.. i dont feel like spending all night hunting for it |
| 03:13.54 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ thanks it helped to know that my system is not the only one |
| 03:13.54 | nvz | since when to spanish people say hey? |
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| 03:14.20 | rob_lt | weilawei, np, the deb is about 60 megs, and my upstream is not that fast. As soon as I can give you a url I will. |
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| 03:14.52 | heinrich | How do i install alien on ubuntu? |
| 03:15.02 | MobyTurbo | !ubuntu |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 03:15.03 | mdh | mi pollo no tiene ningún labio |
| 03:15.04 | nvz | alberto_: I have no idea what you mean by create files, the guy gave me his ipod, I mounted the one partition to /media/ipod or wherever and ran gtkpod, selected a few hundred songs I had for him, and hit transfer.. just went |
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| 03:15.09 | darkness_ | Is it as easy to harden the sarge kernel with grsecurity by just downloading gr or is more needed? |
| 03:15.14 | rob_lt | heinrich, apt-get install alien? Just a guess. |
| 03:15.20 | daedalus_ | MobyTurbo: Aight. I'll check it out next time maybe. Blackdown also has an AMD64 port though, and I don't recall sun having one |
| 03:15.26 | heinrich | ok |
| 03:15.35 | Xibit0r | i think my problem is |
| 03:15.41 | MobyTurbo | daedalus_: Sun has one now if I recall correctly. |
| 03:15.47 | Xibit0r | the box needs to accept connection to its LAN ip 192.168.1.9 |
| 03:15.58 | Xibit0r | is there a setting in mysql??? or on the box.... |
| 03:16.04 | mdh | daedalus_: blackdown is based on the Sun jvm. if Sun doesn't have it, bacldown doesn't have it. |
| 03:16.25 | Xibit0r | coz ive had to change my db connections from LAN IP (even tho was on localhost machine) to localhost |
| 03:16.28 | Xibit0r | for it to work |
| 03:16.38 | weilawei | rob_lt, i fixed the script myself after reading the patch to see what they changed |
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| 03:16.44 | weilawei | so its working for me now |
| 03:16.54 | daedalus_ | mdh: If blackdown has the source, then can recompile for the new arch |
| 03:17.04 | mdh | daedalus_: the blackdown project started because Sun didn't support a linux jvm. but they have now for several years. |
| 03:17.07 | TBBle | Xibit0r: Check the mysql configuration file. |
| 03:17.16 | daedalus_ | mdh: I understand that |
| 03:17.33 | nvz | darkness_: I'd imagine you need the kernel source, and to compile a new kernel .. therefore you would also need build-essential, kernel-package, possibly fakeroot, config frontend build deps, maybe bzip2.. then you would also need a few clues or documents so you would know how to compile a kernel that will work, and patch it with gresecurity. thats just my understanding.. I never actually used gresecurity |
| 03:17.34 | mdh | supporting a new arch isn't always as easy as "recompiling" |
| 03:17.54 | weilawei | mdh, thanks for the patch .. i didnt use t straight off the site but it was easy enough to figure out what to change |
| 03:17.55 | Triffid_Hunter | Xibit0r: mysql checks incoming connections vs their username, either originating ip or hostname and password. all three must match an entry in the users table for the connection to be accepted. You can also tell mysql to only listen on a certain interface in its conf file, check that too |
| 03:17.56 | daedalus_ | mdh: I'm also aware of this. But you get my point.... |
| 03:18.27 | mdh | daedalus_: yes. |
| 03:18.37 | rob_lt | weilawei, are things working ok for you now? do you still want the deb? |
| 03:18.44 | mdh | weilawei: hope that fixes the problem for you. |
| 03:18.48 | weilawei | rob_lt, nope im making my own deb... thanks anyways |
| 03:18.54 | weilawei | sorry to trouble you with uploading it |
| 03:19.03 | rob_lt | weilawei, no trouble at all |
| 03:19.10 | nvz | darkness_: will probably also need gradm or gradm2 |
| 03:19.20 | Xibit0r | i want mysql to listen to localhost/LAN IP |
| 03:19.21 | geordie | 07/06/05 06:31:21 |
| 03:19.23 | Xibit0r | is it possible? |
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| 03:19.32 | MobyTurbo | daedalus_: I'm fairly sure Java has AMD64 support, as Sun sells Opteron boxes now and I recall it being available for download at least for Solaris on that CPU. (I think for Linux too, but I'm too lazy to visit the page for someone else.) |
| 03:19.53 | daedalus_ | MobyTurbo: Opteron != AMD64 |
| 03:19.53 | weilawei | w00t |
| 03:19.55 | blackout | is there a good way, with a laptop, to automatically join whichever one of your pre-defined networks you can connect to currently? |
| 03:19.57 | weilawei | azureus is workig |
| 03:20.01 | FieldySnuts | daedalus_: um. |
| 03:20.02 | weilawei | thank you mdh and rob_lt |
| 03:20.10 | blackout | for instance, for roaming between some number of pre-defined wireless networks? |
| 03:20.26 | daedalus_ | FieldySnuts: Did I booboo? |
| 03:20.26 | rob_lt | weird that everything is working fine here. I even tried azareus and it launched just fine. |
| 03:20.37 | FieldySnuts | daedalus_: that or fud |
| 03:20.38 | llama32 | anyone know if you can make animated gifs with the gimp or some utility based around it? like each layer = a frame or something... |
| 03:20.50 | weilawei | rob_lt, worked fine after i changed i386-linux to i486-linux-gnu |
| 03:21.00 | MobyTurbo | daedalus_: wait a minute, I'm checking sun's site. |
| 03:21.02 | SC_44 | ok, i just installed Desktop Environment, how do i get to the desktops now? |
| 03:21.22 | mdh | daedalus_: the amd64 arch is both opteron and athlon64 |
| 03:21.25 | MobyTurbo | "Linux AMD64 Platform - J2SE(TM) Development Kit 5.0 Update 4" |
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| 03:21.34 | MobyTurbo | daedalus_: ^^ |
| 03:21.42 | blackout | or do people just sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces, plug/unplug the pcmcia card like i do? certainly, there must be a decent way to do this, like OS X and windows |
| 03:22.30 | claudio_ | mdh: is intel em64t an "amd64" too? |
| 03:22.36 | mdh | daedalus_: its a marketing thing, opterons are meant for servers and support SMP, athlon64's are for desktops |
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| 03:22.40 | nvz | llama32: IIRC gifs are some propriatary format.. so due to lisc issues its probably not likely.. though there is a package called gimp-gap that adds such animation functionality to gimp |
| 03:22.52 | mdh | daedalus_: but as far as I can tell, are essentially identical chips |
| 03:22.55 | SC_44 | how do i get out of root? |
| 03:23.03 | doleyb | nvz: gifs haven't been proprietary for years, the patent is 20+ years old. |
| 03:23.07 | nvz | SC_44: exit |
| 03:23.13 | SC_44 | hmmm |
| 03:23.17 | claudio_ | SC_44: or control-D |
| 03:23.18 | SC_44 | ohhh |
| 03:23.22 | SC_44 | lol thx |
| 03:23.27 | nvz | doleyb: *shrug* you know of an animated gif creator? |
| 03:23.30 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 03:23.30 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 03:23.31 | llama32 | nvs/anyone: know of a non-Gimp gif animation app? |
| 03:23.34 | MobyTurbo | !thx |
| 03:23.34 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 03:23.37 | mdh | claudio_: I have no idea what an intel em64t is |
| 03:23.40 | MobyTurbo | !enter |
| 03:23.40 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 03:23.59 | SC_44 | ok, how do i get into GNOME and Window X? |
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| 03:24.13 | rob_lt | SC_44, did you install gdm? |
| 03:24.23 | SC_44 | umm, i installed the Desktop thing |
| 03:24.27 | SC_44 | evironmenet |
| 03:24.39 | SC_44 | evironment |
| 03:24.47 | daedalus_ | mdh: Aww crap.... I've got A) too much beer, B) too many cpu names running around my head to make sense of in the presence of A, C) Knowledge that there is a conflict between intel64 and amd64 cpus D) outdated knowledge about the state of 64-bit support (6 months old) |
| 03:24.49 | doleyb | nvz: there's always imagemagick |
| 03:24.54 | claudio_ | mdh: apparently it is, "Extended Memory 64-bit Technology (EM64T) is Intel's implementation of AMD64, a 64-bit extension to the IA-32 architecture. See the AMD64 article for architectural details." |
| 03:25.00 | rob_lt | SC_44, apt-get install gdm, select gdm as your default display manager (if asked) and then reboot. You will be presented with a graphical login. |
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| 03:25.10 | SC_44 | ok cool |
| 03:25.11 | SC_44 | thx |
| 03:25.14 | rob_lt | np |
| 03:25.20 | nvz | doleyb: oh boy :P I am sure he wants to do that |
| 03:25.29 | mdh | claudio_: ahh. em64t is to amd64 what ubuntu is to debian ;) |
| 03:25.47 | rob_lt | blackout, would something like "wifi radar" fit your needs? |
| 03:25.54 | Xibit0r | /join [client] |
| 03:25.54 | Xibit0r | host = localhost |
| 03:25.54 | Xibit0r | user = debian-sys-maint |
| 03:25.54 | Xibit0r | password = nKWmzJfJGJ1jkXbe |
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| 03:25.55 | MobyTurbo | SC_44: either that or type "startx" from the command prompt. |
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| 03:25.56 | Xibit0r | bla |
| 03:25.56 | nvz | doleyb: he seems picky.. looking for a certain thing, a gimp-like tool thats not gimp, that makes animated gifs.. and imagemagick isnt gimp like that I can see |
| 03:25.59 | iifs | hola |
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| 03:26.11 | nvz | iifs: #debian-es |
| 03:26.14 | rob_lt | http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ |
| 03:26.16 | nvz | iifs: its hello in #debian |
| 03:26.26 | SC_44 | it says "gdm is already the newest version." |
| 03:26.26 | mdh | iifs: mi pollo no tiene ningún labio |
| 03:26.37 | rob_lt | SC_44, did you reboot? |
| 03:26.42 | claudio_ | mdh: heh, I guess so |
| 03:26.47 | SC_44 | nope |
| 03:26.59 | SC_44 | another very noob question..how do i do that? |
| 03:27.02 | rob_lt | SC_44, reboot and then come back here.... you should be in gnome when you do |
| 03:27.02 | nvz | dpkg, babelfish es en mi pollo no tiene ningún labio |
| 03:27.04 | dpkg | my chicken does not have ning?labio |
| 03:27.08 | iifs | thank nvz OK |
| 03:27.12 | rob_lt | SC_44, as root, reboot, or shutdown -r now |
| 03:27.13 | nvz | luckily dpkg carries a babelfish |
| 03:27.14 | iifs | goodbye |
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| 03:27.23 | SC_44 | ok, thanks |
| 03:27.25 | mdh | nvz: my chicken has no lips |
| 03:27.30 | rob_lt | SC_44, see you in a bit |
| 03:27.31 | MobyTurbo | !tell SC_44 -about fundamentals |
| 03:27.43 | mdh | nvz: one of the few things I can say in spanish ;) |
| 03:27.45 | nvz | mdh: I understand other languages, but #debian doesnt |
| 03:27.48 | SC_44 | nah, its on another comp next to me |
| 03:27.55 | nvz | not everyone anyhow |
| 03:28.08 | nvz | those who do are in the other channels |
| 03:28.18 | rob_lt | SC_44, gotcha |
| 03:28.31 | nvz | I dont go to channels for other languages because I dont want to talk in anything but english |
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| 03:28.51 | SC_44 | ill put it on my main comp (maybe) after i learn more about it |
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| 03:29.14 | mdh | nvz: I just like saying something meaningless in spanish to spanish people who come in here and say something meaningless to us ;) |
| 03:29.39 | mdh | s/luch/lunch/ |
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| 03:29.47 | ogperu | Estas por ahi Godines |
| 03:29.48 | nvz | mdh: yeah, I understand your fools logic :) I am just translating so everyone else gets it |
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| 03:30.15 | deconvolution | Hi, how can I start a gnome-session without loading gnome-panel? |
| 03:30.27 | SC_44 | hmmm |
| 03:30.35 | SC_44 | something wrong with video settings |
| 03:31.14 | nvz | deconvolution: why do you think you want gnome-session without gnome-panel? |
| 03:31.25 | nvz | deconvolution: furthermore do you know what gnome-session is? |
| 03:31.27 | doleyb | SC_44: push Alt-Backspace or Control-Alt-F1 to recover to a prompt and fixit |
| 03:31.43 | doleyb | SC_44: or actually, try pushing Control-Alt-NumpadPlus a few times to see if that helps first. |
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| 03:31.51 | SC_44 | hmok |
| 03:31.53 | SC_44 | ok* |
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| 03:32.06 | nvz | deconvolution: because if you do, you'd know its the session manager that starts gnome-panel, and that you could tell it not to. but thats likely not what you really want to do |
| 03:32.33 | SC_44 | hmm, it said reboot gdm once i fixed it.. |
| 03:32.37 | SC_44 | how do i reboot gdm? |
| 03:32.46 | nvz | deconvolution: you probably would much rather start your own xsession without a session manager, if you are picky |
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| 03:33.14 | nvz | SC_44: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 03:33.19 | SC_44 | thx |
| 03:33.32 | rob_lt | !tell SC_44 about drx |
| 03:33.40 | deconvolution | nvz: actually I just start new e17 WM, which already has several decent launcher to start the program |
| 03:33.41 | nar | mysql-doc was in woody but is not in sarge. There were licence problems it would seem. Does anyone know the current state of play? |
| 03:34.21 | rob_lt | deconvolution, why not just remove the panel? |
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| 03:34.51 | nvz | deconvolution: so why do you need gnome-session and all the other things it will start like nautilus -n, gnome-settings-daemon..etc |
| 03:34.54 | rob_lt | deconvolution, right click the panel and remove it |
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| 03:35.10 | deconvolution | nvz: because another user wants to use tranditional gnome _with_ panel |
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| 03:35.57 | deconvolution | nvz: right, i will try ti |
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| 03:36.12 | nvz | deconvolution: so... um.. how does you removing gnome-panel from your gnome-session, cause this other user to have a "traditional gnome" when traditionally gnome uses sawfish, and now uses metacity? |
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| 03:36.28 | nvz | and you are using e17.. |
| 03:36.45 | nvz | I don't know what you want.. but I dont think you do either :P |
| 03:36.58 | deconvolution | nvz: lol |
| 03:37.16 | plasmatics | what is the file to edit the master boot record? |
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| 03:37.41 | deconvolution | nvz: I am just using e17 without gnome involved at all |
| 03:37.51 | MrKeuner | doleyb/ bug report #317019 :) |
| 03:37.53 | claudio_ | plasmatics: what do you want to do exactly? |
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| 03:38.44 | plasmatics | i want to edit the master boot record to change the timer on the boot loader |
| 03:38.58 | claudio_ | by hand? |
| 03:39.26 | claudio_ | I mean, can't you just reconfigure the bootloader? |
| 03:39.44 | deconvolution | nvz: however I want to gnome related programs, such as gnome-terminal, having some settings like fonts and themes |
| 03:40.06 | plasmatics | claudio_: yes, but where can i reconfigure it |
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| 03:40.44 | claudio_ | plasmatics: /etc/lilo.conf in lilo, and certainly someone here can help you with grub |
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| 03:41.15 | plasmatics | claudio_: thanks |
| 03:41.37 | claudio_ | plasmatics: don't forget to run lilo afterwards if you change the conf file |
| 03:41.38 | rob_lt | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 03:42.58 | difeta | I have a box setup as the gateway for my network and an internal box as my webserver. How can I setup my gateway to forward packets to the web server while still keeping the source address in tact? Presently, the source address is being changed to the internal address of the gateway. |
| 03:44.28 | SC_44 | how do i change my video card settings in X server? (i keep getting an error that it is not configured correctly) |
| 03:45.06 | difeta | SC_44, edit /etc/X11/x.org or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:45.15 | SC_44 | thx |
| 03:45.26 | gravity | Or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 03:46.01 | JesusIsMyBoss | debian vs gentoo who wins |
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| 03:46.19 | coywolf | !quota |
| 03:46.20 | dpkg | somebody said quota was a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 03:46.24 | nvz | deconvolution: thats the gnome-settings-daemon and as for window themes and such you have to have metacity running as the WM |
| 03:46.56 | LiquidAngle | anyone here not using X ? |
| 03:47.01 | rob_lt | JesusIsMyBoss, what, like in a fight? |
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| 03:48.08 | JesusIsMyBoss | whats better |
| 03:48.17 | JesusIsMyBoss | in your opinion and why |
| 03:48.23 | claudio_ | LiquidAngle: green 9600 serial terminal here |
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| 03:48.41 | rob_lt | JesusIsMyBoss, you realize you are asking that question in #debian? What response are you expecting? |
| 03:48.42 | kylixen | I was having trouble with my PS/2 mouse, so I removed the jack from it and am using it as a USB mouse. I can't seem to find the device that it's actually on in /dev. When I run X with psaux as my mouse, my keyboard and mouse both lock up. |
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| 03:48.56 | JesusIsMyBoss | i want to know why |
| 03:49.05 | metaperl | kylixen: it's probably /dev/input/mice |
| 03:49.08 | metaperl | !usb |
| 03:49.08 | dpkg | hmm... usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 03:49.11 | JesusIsMyBoss | i asked the gentooians and im asking you |
| 03:49.16 | metaperl | !mouse |
| 03:49.16 | dpkg | somebody said mouse was if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG |
| 03:49.25 | rob_lt | JesusIsMyBoss, http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=debian+vs+gentoo&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 03:49.35 | JesusIsMyBoss | why you think your choice is better |
| 03:49.40 | nvz | deconvolution: gnome-session is merely a session manager, it keeps track of all running processes.. it serves no real function in the gnome desktop environment as far as settings go. if you want something specific you can just start that. a bare gnome session would be putting metacity, gnome-panel, nautilus -n, and gnome-settings-daemon, into ~/.xsession and using the default session in the Display Manager |
| 03:50.01 | rob_lt | JesusIsMyBoss, well, I can't speak for everyone, but I use debian for the chicks |
| 03:50.11 | Schiz0 | JesusIsMyBoss- Debian > * |
| 03:50.19 | Schiz0 | At least, my opinion. |
| 03:50.29 | kylixen | metaperl: Very good show. Thank you very much :) |
| 03:51.18 | nvz | heh |
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| 03:51.40 | nvz | rob_lt: meet a lot of debian chicks? |
| 03:51.41 | SC_44 | where can i find the video card bus identifier? |
| 03:51.52 | Schiz0 | Debian chicks own. Haha |
| 03:52.00 | Overand | heh |
| 03:52.06 | rob_lt | nvz, you don't? You're missing out man! |
| 03:52.12 | nvz | rob_lt: I must be |
| 03:52.14 | Overand | 'OMG! GIRL ON IRC! EVERYBODY PANIC!' |
| 03:52.15 | Overand | sigh |
| 03:52.24 | Overand | This is why gender-oriented names are a bad idea. |
| 03:52.27 | nvz | I certainly never seen a debian chick |
| 03:52.37 | nvz | if I met a smart girl I wouldnt know what to do |
| 03:52.42 | Overand | JesusIsMyBoss: you're trolling |
| 03:52.44 | daedalus_ | JesusIsMyBoss: Quite simply, because compiling everything from scratch takes bloody forever and presents very little improvement in normal use cases |
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| 03:52.54 | Overand | JesusIsMyBoss: Jews or Christians, who wins? Ford or Chrysler, who wins? |
| 03:53.09 | Kylixen | Overand: The buddhists, duh |
| 03:53.22 | rob_lt | SC_44, you shouldn't need it. Did you try dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:53.24 | daedalus_ | JesusIsMyBoss: It's something for you to decide. Everyone has their own opinion. |
| 03:53.25 | Overand | heh |
| 03:53.28 | claudio_ | wow, I just read "Ford or Christians, who wins?" |
| 03:53.30 | rob_lt | Overand, jews |
| 03:53.35 | Overand | claudio_: haha |
| 03:53.37 | Kylixen | claudio_: Ford |
| 03:53.41 | claudio_ | heh |
| 03:53.43 | Overand | I dunno man. |
| 03:53.44 | Kylixen | Ford by a landslide |
| 03:53.46 | SC_44 | ill try |
| 03:53.47 | Overand | Christians don't explode on impact. |
| 03:53.53 | SC_44 | nvm.. |
| 03:53.56 | SC_44 | thats what i am on |
| 03:53.56 | Kylixen | They just randomly explode |
| 03:54.07 | Overand | ok, qdb time |
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| 03:54.14 | nvz | not that the girls I am friends with are stupid, but hey.. there's significant reasons why they are just friends |
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| 03:54.46 | rob_lt | nvz, so a girl being stupid procludes them for being your girlfriend? |
| 03:54.53 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 03:54.57 | rob_lt | I think you have it backwards ;) |
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| 03:55.24 | rob_lt | SC_44, dpkg is asking you for your video card bus id? |
| 03:55.28 | gravity | When did this turn in to idiot horny boy hour? |
| 03:55.49 | FieldySnuts | it's always that though usually minus horny |
| 03:55.55 | MaTiUs77 | hey!, please help me i have a problem with apache!! ! |
| 03:56.02 | nvz | I like smart girls.. I just never met one other than my friends, like people that are twice my age and married or something |
| 03:56.03 | FieldySnuts | !annoy MaTiUs77 |
| 03:56.04 | Overand | gravity: how do you know these people are boys? |
| 03:56.06 | MaTiUs77 | somebody can help me ? |
| 03:56.08 | Overand | Do you know what gender I am? |
| 03:56.12 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: gender |
| 03:56.13 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 03:56.13 | gravity | I can guess |
| 03:56.20 | Overand | MaTiUs77: ASK YOUR QUESTION. |
| 03:56.21 | claudio_ | gravity: when JesusIsMyBoss asked some religious question I guess |
| 03:56.24 | FieldySnuts | apt: gender? |
| 03:56.24 | apt | I'm pregnant |
| 03:56.27 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:56.32 | rob_lt | :) |
| 03:56.34 | MaTiUs77 | ok |
| 03:56.39 | FieldySnuts | i bet ravenbird did it. |
| 03:56.47 | MaTiUs77 | when i run apache y have this error.. |
| 03:56.48 | MaTiUs77 | Starting web server: apache[Fri Jul 8 00:55:29 2005] [warn] module ssl_module is already loaded, skipping |
| 03:56.51 | MaTiUs77 | failed |
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| 03:57.17 | Schiz0 | You have module ssl_module loaded more the once in the config maybe? |
| 03:57.32 | SC_44 | rob_It, it said to type it in, just got this system today so i dont know much about it other than it is about 2 years old |
| 03:57.39 | MaTiUs77 | who i can see this?.. |
| 03:57.45 | FieldySnuts | how to this!!! |
| 03:57.53 | rob_lt | MaTiUs77, say what? |
| 03:57.56 | MaTiUs77 | who i can unload the ssl_module |
| 03:58.01 | MaTiUs77 | ? |
| 03:58.12 | Overand | MaTiUs77: what is your native language? |
| 03:58.17 | MaTiUs77 | jaja |
| 03:58.23 | FieldySnuts | !irritate MaTiUs77 |
| 03:58.24 | dpkg | MaTiUs77: wenas how can I make my knoppix werkz kthx |
| 03:58.25 | MaTiUs77 | i trying spek |
| 03:58.25 | rob_lt | how, I'm not being critical since english is not your first language, just informing you |
| 03:58.29 | MaTiUs77 | speak |
| 03:58.31 | rob_lt | how, not who |
| 03:58.33 | Overand | MaTiUs77: what language do you normally speak |
| 03:58.38 | MaTiUs77 | i know my english its so bad |
| 03:58.39 | MaTiUs77 | =I |
| 03:58.41 | claudio_ | spanish I guess |
| 03:58.45 | MaTiUs77 | yep |
| 03:58.48 | MaTiUs77 | spanish |
| 03:58.50 | Overand | !spanish |
| 03:58.50 | rob_lt | MaTiUs77, better than my jaja |
| 03:58.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:58.55 | caspercba | MatiUs77 es espaniol |
| 03:58.56 | Supaplex | poorly written cobol. ;) |
| 03:59.18 | rob_lt | SC_44, are you having any luck? |
| 03:59.24 | trodrigues1 | !portuguese |
| 03:59.25 | MaTiUs77 | yep, from argentina |
| 03:59.25 | dpkg | hmm... portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:59.58 | MaTiUs77 | so, can help me? |
| 04:00.18 | Overand | MaTiUs77: read this: |
| 04:00.20 | Overand | !spanish |
| 04:00.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:00.31 | MaTiUs77 | ok! |
| 04:00.34 | MaTiUs77 | thanks |
| 04:00.48 | Supaplex | no problemo |
| 04:00.53 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:00.59 | nvz | oh well I am tired, got a job interview to go to in the morning.. step two in steps to getting a life program ... |
| 04:02.34 | nvz | first one of course is getting up, and 3rd would be going to work, 4th would be meeting interesting or less than interesting people outside of IRC :P |
| 04:02.47 | trave11er | nvz: looks like you missed a step (stopping wasting time on irc) :-) |
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| 04:04.39 | snapple | has anyone here gotten the openmosix patches for kernel 2.6, since the debian packages are removed? |
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| 04:05.33 | nvz | time is never wasted, its only passsed.. its merely a mechnism of the universe to keep everything from happening at once so things will pass us by at a speed we may just be lucky enough to embrace them. |
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| 04:09.11 | NOthsouth | how did I install JSDK 1.5 on debiam .. i try install by .bin.. but this generate a .rpm.. than i use alien but i think it`s corrupt.... |
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| 04:10.40 | Guerin | NOthsouth: /msg dpkg install java |
| 04:11.24 | NOthsouth | ? |
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| 04:12.24 | SC_44 | is there a command to start GNOME? (GDM isn't working) |
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| 04:13.14 | K_Dallas | SC_44, startx |
| 04:13.16 | transgress | why does anyone wear underwear? |
| 04:13.20 | K_Dallas | it depends |
| 04:13.22 | SC_44 | thx |
| 04:13.25 | K_Dallas | sure |
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| 04:14.17 | MobyTurbo | transgress: if you have sudden diarrea attack on a city bus and get to the restroom a little too late, you wouldn't have to ask that question. |
| 04:15.04 | rob_lt | SC_44, although if gdm is not working, it is not likely that gnome will work |
| 04:15.10 | rob_lt | assuming it is an X issue. |
| 04:15.16 | SC_44 | yup |
| 04:15.24 | SC_44 | im going to get another video card tomorrow |
| 04:15.31 | SC_44 | i keep getting an error with X server |
| 04:15.31 | rob_lt | SC_44, what is the card? |
| 04:15.37 | SC_44 | some SIS card |
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| 04:16.00 | SC_44 | just got this comp today from someone (already formated) and i decided to install Debian on it |
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| 07:45.20 | ninja | hey guys my root account accepts my password, but it also accepts a slight variant... any ideas on what would cause that or how to fix it? |
| 07:45.48 | d03boy | ninja, it is stored as a hash, and hashes can have more than one way to get that hash (I think) |
| 07:46.23 | dutchfish | ninja is the pass longer then the max posistions ... i believe 9 |
| 07:46.28 | d03boy | it uses a one-way encryption algorithm, inputing abc could give you 123, but inputing bcd could also give you 123 |
| 07:46.34 | ninja | yes |
| 07:46.43 | ninja | its longer than 9 |
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| 07:46.58 | ninja | thanx |
| 07:48.09 | dutchfish | ninja, the max+n chars are truncated |
| 07:48.25 | dutchfish | ninja, that could explain it also |
| 07:49.09 | gudi | dutchfish, its all ext3 |
| 07:49.16 | tralala | and is most probably the case since hash collisions are not that easy to find |
| 07:49.28 | gudi | dutchfish, can it be a ram corruption |
| 07:49.59 | doleyb | phreak: have you tried simply "ln" (not "ln -s") to do your directory mover stuff? |
| 07:49.59 | dutchfish | gudi its i possible, do a ramcheck |
| 07:50.12 | ninja | thanx for the help |
| 07:50.34 | phreak | doleyb: Yeah, that work ofcourse... But isn't very handy. |
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| 07:50.43 | shadowcat | heh |
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| 07:50.51 | shadowcat | apparently Evolution is broken in Debian Testing |
| 07:50.53 | shadowcat | great |
| 07:50.54 | ninja | is there anything i can do to pay you back? i.e. runover and exwife/girlfriend |
| 07:51.01 | phreak | doleyb: I'd like to perform the changes over cifs/nfs/whatever you see :-] |
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| 07:51.28 | dutchfish | gudi, a bad hd-adapter could also easely cause this |
| 07:51.44 | dutchfish | gudi you have to check it all |
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| 07:53.22 | doleyb | phreak: the concept is "copy-on-write" filesystems, which are more experimental, not as stable as unionfs. But google can find you several projects. |
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| 07:53.49 | phreak | doleyb: Ok, will do. |
| 07:54.20 | BrknSoul | Do i need to download the entire 14 ISOs of 3.1r0, if not how many do i need? |
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| 07:54.34 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: You don't need any of them. |
| 07:54.38 | tarzeau | BrknSoul: first or none |
| 07:54.39 | phreak | BrknSoul: You got internet, right? Use a netinstall... |
| 07:54.46 | Guerin | BrknSoul: you need 4 floppies or a 30MB boot iso |
| 07:54.51 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: You can use floppies, or the netinstall CD, or the first ful CD. |
| 07:54.51 | Guerin | at minimum |
| 07:55.07 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: Read the Installation Manual for your options. |
| 07:55.18 | BrknSoul | say if i wanted KDE already installed, how many then? |
| 07:55.20 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: Oh, and you want 3.1r0a, not 3.1r0 ;) |
| 07:55.25 | shadowcat | heh |
| 07:55.27 | shadowcat | great |
| 07:55.31 | dutchfish | BrknSoul, use net-install if you have a fast i-net connectin ;) |
| 07:55.31 | Guerin | BrknSoul: answer remains the same. |
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| 07:55.34 | shadowcat | they broke Evolution in Testing |
| 07:55.40 | shadowcat | that's just great |
| 07:55.41 | Guerin | even if you have a slow internet connection |
| 07:55.45 | ronnick | hi there, is there a SIMPLE way to make a restore CD of a debian system installed on a hard drive? |
| 07:55.55 | BrknSoul | dutch and others: i have a limited connection (gb wise) |
| 07:55.59 | coywolf | One thing I have to say is that I've learnt a lot more shell tricks. |
| 07:55.59 | PerfDave | "restore CD"? |
| 07:55.59 | coywolf | Now I'll just have to unlearn them, so that I won't have nightmares. |
| 07:55.59 | coywolf | --Linus |
| 07:56.03 | dutchfish | BrknSoul, i saves you alot of hassle |
| 07:56.04 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: You can grab it off the Internet as part of the installation. |
| 07:56.06 | Guerin | it'll be faster to download just what you need than n cds with extra shit on |
| 07:56.08 | BrknSoul | i can dload these ISOs from my ISPs ftp |
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| 07:56.23 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: I've never needed more than the first three CDs. |
| 07:56.28 | Guerin | !cd contents |
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| 07:56.29 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
| 07:56.35 | BrknSoul | Perf: that's what i thought ;-) |
| 07:56.38 | Guerin | BrknSoul: look there^^^ |
| 07:56.42 | PerfDave | And that's only because Psi Messenger is on the third CD :) |
| 07:57.01 | BrknSoul | rofl |
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| 07:57.04 | fatal__ | ronnick: just tar the whole system and back that up... boot with a regular rescue cd (the debian installer?) and untar + grub-install (or lilo) to restore. |
| 07:57.14 | ronnick | PerfDave, yes the CD should be like an disc image, with all apps and configs |
| 07:57.18 | Guerin | BrknSoul: the best way, if you have a volume-limited connection, is to use a netinstall - get what you need, and nothing more. |
| 07:57.25 | BrknSoul | that's good, i didn't want to really spend 48hrs dloading the dvds |
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| 07:57.47 | ronnick | yes fatal__ , this is simple... |
| 07:57.47 | fatal__ | ronnick: don't forget to --exclude=/proc, --exclude=/sys and exclude the directory where you write your tar file to when backing up the system. |
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| 07:58.06 | PerfDave | Guerin: I think BrknSoul saying that their connection is volume-limited *if* they download off the 'net, but they can get the ISOs "free" from their ISP's mirror |
| 07:58.13 | ronnick | ok fatal__ , i'll try to automate this |
| 07:58.13 | Guerin | ah |
| 07:58.16 | Guerin | that makes sense |
| 07:58.26 | Guerin | that's how they doi back in NZ |
| 07:58.28 | BrknSoul | PerfDave, Guerin: that's correct |
| 07:58.35 | PerfDave | ronnick: Or use something like partimage to take snapshots of the system. |
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| 07:59.07 | ronnick | fatal__, tarring the system will not make any mess with file access rights ? |
| 07:59.15 | turZ | plop! |
| 07:59.20 | Guerin | my isp back in NZ hosts ftp.nz.d.o - unfotunately when i lived there i didn't use debian |
| 07:59.24 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: Like I say, I've never needed anything past the first three CDs, at least for a base install with KDE and my regular applications. |
| 07:59.25 | BrknSoul | just incase anyone was wondering, i've tried ubuntu but the little changes i can't get used too ;-) |
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| 07:59.39 | Guerin | ronnick: not if you do it right |
| 07:59.42 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: But if you can grab the ISOs for "free", you might as well get everything, or the DVDs ;) |
| 07:59.43 | dutchfish | is libpam-chroot the best way to make a chrooted shell? any guru in here? |
| 08:00.03 | Guerin | dutchfish: chrooted shell? why? |
| 08:00.04 | BrknSoul | PerfDave: dvds take too damn long (24hrs / dvd on my connection) |
| 08:00.24 | cmug | What is a good way to find all network devices that answer to snmp? |
| 08:00.26 | dutchfish | Guerin, school project for students |
| 08:00.30 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: Fair enough, it's just a little more convenient than swapping CDs :) |
| 08:00.43 | Guerin | dutchfish: UML or similar would be saner. |
| 08:00.52 | BrknSoul | PerfDave: hehe, doesn't bother me, since i'll only grab 1-3 |
| 08:00.59 | dutchfish | Guerin, any docs you can hint me to? |
| 08:01.04 | Guerin | !uml |
| 08:01.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
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| 08:01.10 | BrknSoul | mount -o loop the other 2 ... |
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| 08:01.29 | BrknSoul | too much hassle tho.. |
| 08:01.30 | gogo3or | how to change in phpMyAdmin max connection per user thx |
| 08:01.32 | dutchfish | dpkg a big thanx |
| 08:01.33 | PerfDave | BrknSoul: Personally, I bought a pair of Sarge DVDs ;) |
| 08:01.36 | gogo3or | with option |
| 08:01.40 | Guerin | dutchfish: or if they're not going to be tricksy little bastards, just use /usr/sbin/chroot |
| 08:01.45 | turZ | gogo3or: I think in httpd.conf |
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| 08:01.57 | gogo3or | turZ: this is mysql |
| 08:02.00 | gogo3or | not apache |
| 08:02.05 | dutchfish | Guerin thats what i am looking for |
| 08:02.09 | Guerin | gogo3or: #mysql |
| 08:02.10 | gogo3or | we are tallking about mysql |
| 08:02.14 | shadowcat | anybody in here running debian testing? |
| 08:02.19 | gogo3or | Guerin: nobody want anserw |
| 08:02.22 | PerfDave | shadowcat: Etch? On one of my systems. |
| 08:02.24 | Guerin | shadowcat: no, we all run slink |
| 08:02.25 | gogo3or | wants |
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| 08:02.28 | Guerin | gogo3or: wait. |
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| 08:02.39 | shadowcat | PerfDave: can you see if your Evolution is working on that system? |
| 08:02.48 | PerfDave | shadowcat: I don't use Evolution :) |
| 08:02.50 | shadowcat | I seem to be getting crashes |
| 08:02.54 | shadowcat | PerfDave: what do you use? |
| 08:03.01 | Coke | Guerin: why don't you just increase the maximum number of database connections allowed by the MySQL daemon? |
| 08:03.06 | Guerin | shadowcat: that sounds like standard behavior, to me. |
| 08:03.07 | PerfDave | shadowcat: mutt, the One True Mail Client :) |
| 08:03.08 | Coke | gogo3or: why don't you just increase the maximum number of database connections allowed by the MySQL daemon? |
| 08:03.12 | Coke | Guerin: not you. :) |
| 08:03.15 | Guerin | Coke: good question. |
| 08:03.19 | Guerin | :) |
| 08:03.22 | shadowcat | Guerin: well it's broken in testing now |
| 08:03.23 | shadowcat | it seems |
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| 08:03.29 | PerfDave | shadowcat: Checked the BTS? ;) |
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| 08:03.36 | shadowcat | BTS? |
| 08:03.42 | PerfDave | !btssmite shadowcat |
| 08:03.48 | Coke | Guerin: stupid case-insensitive tab-completion in irssi |
| 08:03.52 | BrknSoul | wget for windoze ftw! |
| 08:03.54 | d03boy | fucking acronyms |
| 08:03.56 | Guerin | Coke: heh. |
| 08:04.02 | gogo3or | Guerin: Coke yes I know and i have got 200 but i want cut connections for cerain users e.i 10 |
| 08:04.08 | PerfDave | Right, I'm off to bed with the grilf. |
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| 08:04.28 | Guerin | PerfDave: try not to bleed everywhere. |
| 08:04.47 | Coke | gogo3or: what do you mean? I don't think you can set the number of connections based on authentication. |
| 08:05.24 | BrknSoul | thanks for the help everyone, i'm-a gonna sleep while these download |
| 08:05.35 | BrknSoul | i miss #debian |
| 08:05.42 | Guerin | !aww |
| 08:05.42 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 08:05.49 | BrknSoul | lol |
| 08:05.52 | gogo3or | Coke: May you read this beacuse first of all I'm googling a lot and i have found this http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.mysql.com/doc/en/User_resources.html |
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| 08:06.03 | gogo3or | and this is one way to solve the problem |
| 08:06.05 | shadowcat | PerfDave: yep it's there |
| 08:06.10 | shadowcat | Evolution crashes upon startup |
| 08:06.18 | Coke | gogo3or: yeah, there you have the solution. |
| 08:06.25 | Guerin | shadowcat: any solution? |
| 08:06.40 | gogo3or | Coke: but I'm trying to find another |
| 08:06.44 | gogo3or | easyest |
| 08:06.44 | Coke | gogo3or: why? |
| 08:07.00 | gogo3or | bacause I would change all databases |
| 08:07.07 | gogo3or | and it cont my time |
| 08:07.09 | Coke | gogo3or: this solution seems simple enough and it's on the lowest possible level, i.e database, which is good too. |
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| 08:07.59 | gogo3or | Coke: but there is a way to change it in phpmysqlAdmin? |
| 08:08.34 | Coke | gogo3or: who cares when you can do it the easy way = run the command in an SQL prompt. |
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| 08:08.59 | gogo3or | Coke: but i have 500 databaes |
| 08:09.10 | Coke | gogo3or: GRANT ... ON *.* |
| 08:09.24 | Coke | gogo3or: but to be sure, try asking in #mysql |
| 08:09.38 | gogo3or | Coke: thakns your polite help |
| 08:09.43 | shadowcat | heh that did it |
| 08:09.45 | gogo3or | Coke: have a nice day! |
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| 08:10.24 | Coke | gogo3or: good luck |
| 08:10.29 | Vinland | I am a very gay man |
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| 08:10.53 | Guerin | Vinland: i'm sure your mother is proud. |
| 08:11.23 | mdh | I run debian, therefore I'm always gay |
| 08:11.42 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 08:11.47 | Vinland | whoa, that was my roomate, I just got up to take a piss |
| 08:11.49 | Phated | I doubt that other gay people are only sometimes gay. |
| 08:11.49 | mdh | except when aptitude wants to uninstall most of the system |
| 08:11.51 | Vinland | I am not a very gay man |
| 08:11.59 | Guerin | Vinland: sure, buddy. |
| 08:12.04 | Guerin | whatever you say |
| 08:12.18 | mdh | Vinland: maybe your roomate just hopes you are |
| 08:12.31 | Guerin | mdh: that sounds plausible |
| 08:12.33 | tralala | ouch! |
| 08:12.42 | rixth | Dammit. I never can remember how to patch kernel source. I have the patch in /usr/src. patch -p1 patch-2.6.12.diff does nothing |
| 08:12.44 | Vinland | probably, I can't remember the last time I seen him with a girl |
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| 08:13.05 | mdh | Vinland: he probably watches you at night and thinks "gee, what a sweet ass!" |
| 08:13.08 | drac | rixth: patch -1 < patch |
| 08:13.11 | drac | rixth: patch -p1 < patch |
| 08:13.16 | fatal__ | ronnick: tar preserves owner and permissions. |
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| 08:13.27 | Guerin | fatal__: if you tell it to |
| 08:13.35 | Guerin | fatal__: or if you tar and untar as root |
| 08:14.03 | rixth | Drac brilliants thanks. |
| 08:14.03 | fatal__ | Guerin: well, if you're going to back up your whole system you won't get far unless you're doing it as root. |
| 08:14.03 | Vinland | mdh - I've been having my suspicions that he has also been sniffing my underpants. |
| 08:14.10 | streuner | Guerin: the convo goes slightly into OT... |
| 08:14.11 | Guerin | fatal__: true enough. |
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| 08:14.21 | rixth | It really should give an error though if the syntax is incorrect... |
| 08:14.24 | Guerin | streuner: for the first time ever! |
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| 08:14.32 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 08:14.47 | Guerin | rixth: what if the syntax is correct, but it's just not correct for what you want to do? |
| 08:15.18 | streuner | Guerin: what do you prefer wine or beer? |
| 08:15.29 | mdh | Vinland: soak them in mineral turpentine |
| 08:15.54 | drac | 2 drinks that have nothing in common, or related in any way.. |
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| 08:16.25 | rixth | Agrees. |
| 08:16.38 | liable | bah, nectar of the gods. |
| 08:16.45 | ronnick | thx fatal, now i'm working on a shell that dumps partition table, to integrate in a script that could create these partitions, format them, and untar the backup: the goal is to have a single CD, you boot it, if fdisks, format, reinstall everything properly on a new hdd, and grub-install it |
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| 08:16.55 | Vinland | mdh - or stop wearing underpants alltogether *hmmm |
| 08:17.12 | streuner | Phated: how are things? |
| 08:17.22 | ronnick | so in a single operation boot / accept restore, it restores the system in the state it was at backup |
| 08:17.45 | mdh | rixth: you'll want at least -rc3 if going with 2.6.13 |
| 08:17.53 | streuner | Phated: What time is it in .sg now? |
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| 08:18.05 | ronnick | but surely someone did such a thing before ... |
| 08:18.16 | rixth | mdh, I'll give rc2 a go, I can allways go bck. |
| 08:18.16 | phaedrus_ | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc <<--- what is that? |
| 08:18.26 | drac | mdh: Why? rc1 working smoothly as what here. |
| 08:18.26 | Guerin | streuner: hard question. |
| 08:18.27 | rixth | Always. Geez, whats wrong with my typing tonight. |
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| 08:18.38 | fatal__ | ronnick: if you want to preserve the partition table exactly as it is, just use "dd" and make an image of the whole drive... |
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| 08:19.17 | Phated | streuner: Lovely, thanks, and 16.17. |
| 08:19.17 | ronnick | fatal__, not necessarily, because the size of the new disk should differ from the old one |
| 08:19.21 | Guerin | streuner: i prefer good wine to good beer, but i prefer average beer to average wine. And since it's much easier to get average beer than good wine, i tend to drink more beer than wine. |
| 08:19.26 | fatal__ | ronnick: I prefer restoring manually and being able to easily extract the files from the backups I make so I prefer using tar.... very often you don't get an exact same system to restore and that makes me dislike images. |
| 08:19.48 | fatal__ | ronnick: you can restore images on larger drives.... |
| 08:19.49 | ronnick | fatal__, sure dd is easy in case of exactly the same target medium |
| 08:19.57 | takatumi | been fiddling a while without keyboard in X, touchpad used to be event1, it's now event2 with 2.6.12 |
| 08:20.02 | Guerin | streuner: but I spent years as a wine taster and buyer in retail and restaurants, and as a somellier.A |
| 08:20.04 | streuner | Guerin: true, bad wine has mostly too much acid... |
| 08:20.26 | Guerin | streuner: german wine, maybe. Cheap wine from warm places tends to be the opposite. |
| 08:20.39 | mdh | drac: there's a smp bug that kills it on io |
| 08:20.59 | Guerin | rixth: cheap NZ wine is awful |
| 08:21.10 | ronnick | fatal__, dd make an image, so if you restore a 6go on a 10go drive, your system will be 6go, right? |
| 08:21.14 | Guerin | rixth: and good NZ wine is overpriced |
| 08:21.26 | Viddy | you _have_ to be australian |
| 08:21.26 | rixth | My place has vineyards on 3 sides. |
| 08:21.34 | blu | Does the nVidia driver work with all modern laptop nVidia graphics chips, or are there exceptions? |
| 08:21.39 | rixth | When the guy gets in his helicopter at 3 am to stop frosts, argh. |
| 08:21.47 | Guerin | rixth: oh, wairarapa, right? |
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| 08:21.59 | rixth | Guerin: woah! |
| 08:22.00 | mdh | rixth: wow, he can stop frosts using a helicopter? |
| 08:22.01 | rixth | Indeed. |
| 08:22.05 | Guerin | Viddy: what? |
| 08:22.09 | rixth | mdh, it disturbs the air |
| 08:22.09 | Viddy | heh |
| 08:22.16 | Guerin | rixth: i have an outstanding memory. |
| 08:22.16 | Viddy | just hasslin |
| 08:22.26 | streuner_ | Guerin: wine of warm place usually taste too sweet |
| 08:22.32 | Guerin | streuner_: yes. |
| 08:22.33 | rixth | Guerin: been to my neck of the woods eh? |
| 08:22.37 | Viddy | essentially you get a cold layer of air sitting below a warm layer of air |
| 08:22.40 | Viddy | it 'pools |
| 08:22.41 | Viddy | ' |
| 08:22.49 | chealer | blu: ask #nvidia || read the README |
| 08:22.55 | Viddy | gets insulated, too |
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| 08:23.24 | Guerin | rixth: lived in welli for years and years, been over to mboro a few times... did a high-speed roadtrip around towards palliser with my bro, pretending to be rally drivers in my '85 mitsi mirage |
| 08:23.42 | Guerin | Viddy: cheap aussie wine is bad too, though for different reasons. |
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| 08:24.50 | ronnick | fatal__, i think mondo rescue is what i'm looking for |
| 08:26.08 | dutchfish | ronnick, take a close look to g4l too |
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| 08:27.15 | ronnick | thx dutchfish |
| 08:27.25 | streuner_ | Guerin: i bought ones some .za wine, cheap in relation to other .za --- too much acid... |
| 08:27.25 | dutchfish | ronnick, yw |
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| 08:28.30 | Guerin | streuner_: yeah. a lot of .za's wine districts are actually relatively cool, at high altitude. They also crop early to avoid rot and overripeness, and the stuff that's too green goes into the cheap bottles. |
| 08:28.33 | streuner_ | Guerin: got problems with my stomach ;-) |
| 08:28.54 | Guerin | streuner_: if you can get some kanonkop, it's usually outrageously good. |
| 08:29.29 | Guerin | never been a huge fan of steen, though chenin blanc is about my other-favourite white grape |
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| 08:30.52 | mdh | I really loathe white wine |
| 08:31.01 | mdh | only ever had one that didn't make me feel like throwing up |
| 08:31.04 | EmleyMoor | Does resizing an NTFS partition using, e.g., a Knoppix CD, spend a long time doing stuff not visible? |
| 08:31.11 | Guerin | mdh: you would, being australian |
| 08:31.20 | mdh | unfortunately I didn't get the name... was from WA |
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| 08:31.48 | mdh | I can knock back reds like lolly water though ;) |
| 08:32.01 | mdh | merlots are like liquid vegemite |
| 08:32.06 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:32.18 | streuner_ | Guerin: that would be a good one, but NOT dry: http://www.weincontor-pappert.de/wein_/89.html |
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| 08:33.10 | tralala | EmleyMoor: err... ntfs, knoppix... what's your debian question now? |
| 08:33.28 | Guerin | streuner_: heh, trocken translates to dry, but in german wine terms it rarely means it. |
| 08:33.31 | aro | hi, silly question but is it possible to install a .deb that I have HD with aptitude ? |
| 08:33.32 | vanguard | Hello ! How can I use apt, when a PGP-key is not available ? Especially ftp.gwdg.de has none. The only one I found, was a file named "Release.gpg", but apt-key does not recognize it. |
| 08:33.39 | Guerin | aro: use dpkg -i |
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| 08:33.44 | EmleyMoor | This relates to Debian in that that's what I'm making room for |
| 08:33.56 | mdh | vanguard: just use it. |
| 08:34.00 | EmleyMoor | (it would also apply if qtparted was being run in Debian rather than Knoppix) |
| 08:34.05 | aro | Guerin, not possible wit aptitude ? |
| 08:34.08 | mdh | vanguard: what you'll get are *warnings* not *errors* |
| 08:34.09 | hellz | hi where do i find the sources code for arp, rarp, traceroute utilities? |
| 08:34.10 | Guerin | vanguard: just type 'yes' when it complains |
| 08:34.34 | mdh | hellz: apt-get source <whatever> |
| 08:34.36 | vanguard | You mean, it works either ? |
| 08:34.45 | Guerin | aro: if you copy it to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and install it with aptitude install foo=version then sure |
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| 08:34.55 | streuner_ | Guerin: with less sugar |
| 08:34.58 | Guerin | aro: but there's no gain over using aptitude, apart from the logging. |
| 08:35.03 | hellz | mdh: thanls |
| 08:35.06 | mdh | vanguard: no, we like telling lies to people in here so they come back and complain |
| 08:35.15 | vanguard | :))) |
| 08:35.17 | Guerin | streuner_: yeah, I know a bit about german wine :) |
| 08:35.33 | vanguard | I will try it. Thanks ! |
| 08:35.36 | tralala | EmleyMoor: use partition magic for windows |
| 08:36.01 | EmleyMoor | tralala: £ |
| 08:36.33 | mdh | EmleyMoor: it probably does... resizing any kind of partition can be a long exercise |
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| 08:36.56 | mdh | potntially a lot of stuff has to be moved |
| 08:36.59 | streuner_ | Guerin: Could you get some german wine in .ko? |
| 08:37.11 | streuner_ | Guerin: *.kr |
| 08:37.17 | rixth | What's faster for kernels, modules or includes? |
| 08:37.26 | streuner_ | Guerin: And how much are there? |
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| 08:37.48 | Guerin | streuner_: yes, but it's very poor - qualitätswein if we're lucky; sometimes you might get a qmprädikat |
| 08:38.05 | Guerin | streuner: i drank some when i workeeed in the dtrade in NZ, but it was expensive there. |
| 08:38.12 | mdh | rixth: neither. but building without module support makes a smaller and slightly faster kernel |
| 08:38.16 | EmleyMoor | mdh: Fair enough - I just wish it would be "noisier" about it |
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| 08:38.27 | rixth | mdh, thanks |
| 08:38.29 | EmleyMoor | It is proceeding :-) |
| 08:38.36 | streuner | Guerin: the same here for .za's or .au's |
| 08:39.15 | Guerin | streuner: makes sense. But you have france, italy and spain right there, and in the eu! You don't need au or za wine! |
| 08:39.21 | streuner | Guerin: wait, i never saw here .au wine ;-) |
| 08:40.01 | HolyGoat | Where do you guys usually set your Java environment variables like JAVA_HOME and e.g. CATALINA_HOME (for tomcat)? In /etc/environment? Or just in the .bashrc files for the users that need it? |
| 08:40.32 | mdh | rixth: and without module support, crackers can't load modules into your kernel to eg try to hide their trojans etc |
| 08:40.34 | Guerin | streuner: even living in nz, I spent most of my wine allowance on spanish, italian and french wine... $ for $ it's generally better than australilan, new zealand, chilean or south african, even locally. |
| 08:40.37 | streuner | Guerin: yeah, but they all taste different - usually humans tends to prefer stuff they usually know... |
| 08:40.46 | Dook | anybody have installed sarge with gcc ? |
| 08:40.53 | Mage\work | HolyGoat: /etc/environment |
| 08:41.20 | Guerin | streuner: right. |
| 08:41.46 | streuner | Dook: most of us |
| 08:41.53 | streuner | Dook: just ask |
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| 08:43.20 | Dook | oki: anybody have installed gcc or cpp on sarge ? |
| 08:43.32 | streuner | !b-e Dook |
| 08:43.33 | dpkg | Dook: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 08:43.48 | Dook | you think ? |
| 08:44.11 | streuner | Dook: yes - as long you are so vague we need to guess... |
| 08:44.11 | tralala | !wayttd Dook |
| 08:44.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Dook? |
| 08:44.27 | Morti | I'm automatic a potentially dangerous apt-get. How do I remove that message that makes the user type "Yes, do as I say!"? |
| 08:44.55 | streuner | Morti: that would be very unwise |
| 08:45.03 | EruditeHermit | hi, I have an acpi script to turn off the screen when my lid is down. However, it runs as root and I get the message Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server when I tail /var/log/acpid. How do make it run as whatever user is logged in to X? |
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| 08:45.07 | Dook | i try to install gcc... but i have gcc-3.3-base in version 3.3.6; gcc requires 3.3.5... |
| 08:45.19 | Guerin | Morti: don't. |
| 08:45.21 | streuner | Morti: those questions are depend on essential packages, IIRC |
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| 08:45.22 | tralala | Morti: you could always use expect script |
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| 08:45.32 | Morti | streuner: Not really. All I'm doing is replacing sysv-rc. |
| 08:45.45 | HolyGoat | Mage\work: alright thanks |
| 08:45.57 | streuner | Morti: well, if you have to ask just don't touch it then... |
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| 08:46.32 | Morti | Uh huh. So how do I remove that message? |
| 08:46.36 | Morti | expect? |
| 08:46.40 | tralala | EruditeHermit: add a start script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 08:46.49 | Guerin | Morti: don't. |
| 08:47.03 | Morti | Are you saying it's impossible or are you telling me not to do it? |
| 08:47.07 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 08:47.08 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 08:47.26 | streuner | Dook: your sources.list isn't correct, or/and you have installed mixed packages from different versions |
| 08:47.29 | Guerin | Morti: if you want to, figure it out for yourself. Consider it a test of competence. |
| 08:47.33 | EruditeHermit | tralala: it depends on acpi events to start |
| 08:47.37 | Morti | No, that's balls. I know full well what I'm doing with apt, I'm replacing sysv-rc with file-rc as part of an install script, all is good. But I don't know how to remove that messagae. |
| 08:47.40 | tralala | Morti: use expect and don't come back to complain after you've fucked it all |
| 08:47.43 | streuner | Morti: the later |
| 08:47.54 | EruditeHermit | tralala: if I put the script in that dir, will it work? |
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| 08:48.31 | tralala | EruditeHermit: ah, I see. No it will not work like that then. |
| 08:48.45 | Morti | expect seems like a bit of a dirty solution... Is there not a better way? |
| 08:48.50 | Dook | streuner: build-essentials required gcc... but it is not going to be installed... no, my sources list is good... |
| 08:48.58 | Guerin | Morti: so figure it out. If you're really as 1337 as you think you are, you'll figure it out. |
| 08:49.32 | EruditeHermit | tralala: if the event of the lid being closed is received by acpid, it powers the screen off |
| 08:49.34 | tralala | not that I'm aware of |
| 08:49.48 | Morti | I'm sorry, I don't think I'm 1337, you seem to misunderstand. Installing file-rc is quite safe but Debian moans because it replaces something it thinks is crucial. |
| 08:49.54 | EruditeHermit | tralala: but it uses xset, which needs to be run as the user with the X session running |
| 08:49.56 | renegad3 | is there a feature in debian that disallows the rebooting and shuting down of a system at a physical level. what I mean by that is, if I accidently pressed the reset or power button on the machine, debian would prevent it from rebooting or shutting down?? |
| 08:50.06 | Morti | I'm happy enough about doing that. I just want to kill the annoying message. |
| 08:50.11 | tralala | EruditeHermit: yeah, I see. But since acpid runs as root the script runs as root also |
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| 08:50.25 | [timmeh] | hi, how can i reconfigure a package? |
| 08:50.29 | jm_ | renegad3: no, you can't prevent all of it - especially not reset button |
| 08:50.35 | Morti | If you know how to do it, please tell me. If you don't know then say. Either way, please stop being offensive. |
| 08:50.37 | renegad3 | :( |
| 08:50.54 | Guerin | Morti: my point stands. The message is there for a reason. if you think the message is incorrect. file a bug against the package. |
| 08:50.54 | renegad3 | [timmeh], dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 08:51.08 | [timmeh] | thankyou |
| 08:51.12 | Morti | So I can't stop it from displaying? |
| 08:51.18 | Morti | All I can do is use expect? |
| 08:51.24 | streuner | Morti: we are NOT going to help to blow your system |
| 08:51.33 | tralala | Morti: stop whining, start using /ignore command if you feel offended by someone and start reading the expect manualls |
| 08:51.59 | Morti | streuner: You installed file-rc before? ;) |
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| 08:52.19 | [timmeh] | dpkg-reconfigure php4 |
| 08:52.26 | [timmeh] | it just goes to next line |
| 08:52.28 | streuner | no |
| 08:52.32 | [timmeh] | it dosent execute a reconfigure |
| 08:52.34 | streuner | dpkg info file-rc |
| 08:52.36 | dpkg | file-rc: (Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.8.7 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 08:52.41 | [timmeh] | ok thankyou |
| 08:52.44 | rixth | You know what would be handy? A bootable from CD distribution that only has distcc and a few other things. Pop it in a windows machine, boot up and you have yourself a distcc host |
| 08:52.46 | Morti | tralala: That's fine, I'm just wondering if there's a nicer option than expect. Does that message show on stdout or stderr? |
| 08:52.47 | PerfDave | renegad3: Depends on how the reset /switch is wired. I don't think there's any way to prevent people holding down the power button. |
| 08:52.47 | Guerin | Morti: irrelevant question. |
| 08:53.01 | rixth | Just create a 100mb ram disk to use as a 'disk' |
| 08:53.02 | Guerin | PerfDave: lots of gaffer tape |
| 08:53.20 | rixth | Super Glue/Hot glue gun |
| 08:53.30 | Guerin | gaffer tape > glue |
| 08:53.49 | PerfDave | gaffer tape > * |
| 08:53.51 | sanxiyn | Is PHP's recent XML-RPC vulnerability fixed in Debian? It seems not? |
| 08:53.57 | Morti | Guerin: What is? |
| 08:53.58 | renegad3 | PerfDave, thanks mate... bah that really sucks though :( because I have little kids coming around the house that know how to power down a machine... bloody malicious kids |
| 08:54.23 | PerfDave | renegad3: Pressing the power button once *should* cause a clean shutdown |
| 08:54.37 | rixth | renegad3: could you not just turn the system on, then uplug the switch from the motherboard? |
| 08:54.38 | EruditeHermit | renegad3: disconnect the power button from the mob |
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| 08:54.48 | EruditeHermit | renegad3: short the power with a screwdriver once |
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| 08:54.58 | EruditeHermit | renegad3: connect the power button to mobo once htey are gone |
| 08:54.59 | renegad3 | ;) |
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| 08:55.24 | EmleyMoor | Lock the machine in something |
| 08:55.27 | renegad3 | kewl, thanks for the hellp |
| 08:55.37 | renegad3 | ive got a MFB rack |
| 08:55.40 | PerfDave | renegad3: You can get those case locks which disable power etc., no? |
| 08:55.40 | Guerin | Morti: your question to streuner. Anyway, it appears to be pointless arguing this with you, so good luck and godspeed. |
| 08:55.42 | renegad3 | just dont have the doors for it |
| 08:55.46 | jm_ | rixth: isn't there something based on knoppix with distcc on it? |
| 08:56.03 | deathmaker_ | hi all! cud someone help me with that situation? The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:56.04 | deathmaker_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.06 | deathmaker_ | ? |
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| 08:56.14 | renegad3 | PerfDave, heheh that costs money |
| 08:56.24 | rixth | jm_: dunno, I'll have to check that out |
| 08:56.25 | renegad3 | *hint* /me uses linux :D |
| 08:56.57 | jm_ | rixth: ahh yes there is -- http://opendoorsoftware.com/cgi/http.pl?cookies=1&p=distccKNOPPIX |
| 08:57.03 | Guerin | deathmaker_: don't mix distributions |
| 08:57.10 | Rydekull | renegad3: you are using wrong sort of free |
| 08:57.12 | Guerin | deathmaker_: also consider using english |
| 08:57.28 | deathmaker_ | :) |
| 08:57.34 | PerfDave | renegad3: Yeah, I use Linux too, but I paid for mine ;) |
| 08:57.55 | deathmaker_ | i don't mix them |
| 08:58.05 | Guerin | deathmaker_: what are you using? |
| 08:58.13 | EmleyMoor | Loads of room on my laptop now - hope I can get Debian back on it within the next 4 hours |
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| 08:58.31 | deathmaker_ | Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686 testing |
| 08:58.34 | Morti | If you choose SQL database during the base-config, which database does it use? |
| 08:58.55 | renegad3 | ohhh, i was j/k, just making a bit of fun... its just that ive already paid for a case and dont want to upgrade it :( |
| 08:58.56 | Guerin | deathmaker_: using only btesting in your sources.list? |
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| 08:59.10 | deathmaker_ | yes |
| 08:59.16 | EmleyMoor | Bloody "upgrades" - why can't work leave our machines alone? |
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| 08:59.28 | PerfDave | renegad3: You may be able to find a lockable switch which you can fit to your existing switch. |
| 08:59.42 | caphuso | Morti: postgresql |
| 08:59.47 | renegad3 | PerfDave, now were talking :) |
| 08:59.56 | PerfDave | s/switch/case/2 |
| 09:00.01 | renegad3 | kewl, could I find something at the local electrical shop? |
| 09:00.04 | sanxiyn | Guerin: I think deathmaker_ is using a mirror with broken sync? |
| 09:00.07 | PerfDave | caphuso: Really? That's groovy :) |
| 09:00.29 | PerfDave | renegad3: I don't know, I don't happen to have an inventory of the stock of your local electrical shop ;) Probably worth looking at though. |
| 09:00.40 | PerfDave | renegad3: You could either mount it to the case, or a spare 5.25" drive bay panel |
| 09:00.41 | renegad3 | PerfDave, lol |
| 09:00.42 | Guerin | deathmaker_: how many options do you have when you do apt-cache policy libfreetype6; |
| 09:00.42 | deathmaker_ | should i try another mirror |
| 09:00.42 | caphuso | $ tasksel --task-packages database-server | tr \\n , |
| 09:00.43 | caphuso | pgaccess,postgresql,postgresql-client,postgresql-contrib,postgresql-doc |
| 09:00.52 | Guerin | deathmaker_: hint: you should have only one version available |
| 09:01.02 | renegad3 | PerfDave, ok sounds good, thanks for the help |
| 09:01.08 | Guerin | sanxiyn: hrm, that may be the case. |
| 09:01.28 | deathmaker_ | libfreetype6: |
| 09:01.28 | deathmaker_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.28 | deathmaker_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.28 | deathmaker_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.28 | deathmaker_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.50 | Guerin | deathmaker_: did i tell you to paste? |
| 09:01.54 | deathmaker_ | :) |
| 09:01.55 | Guerin | NO, I DID NOT |
| 09:01.58 | HolyGoat | renegad3: Or you could put 220 volts on your power button that you can only turn off by being root. That way you get rid of 2 problems at once. |
| 09:02.08 | sanxiyn | deathmaker_: You can paste to #flood, also apt-cache policy libfreetype6-dev |
| 09:02.11 | streuner | !lart deathmaker |
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| 09:02.20 | Guerin | !paster |
| 09:02.20 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 09:02.22 | renegad3 | HolyGoat, lol |
| 09:02.32 | Guerin | deathmaker_: go make some death on paster, i'm not in #flood |
| 09:02.47 | deathmaker_ | sorry my fault |
| 09:03.13 | EmleyMoor | I'm thinking of getting myself some contact cards made - bootable Debian installers! |
| 09:03.17 | PerfDave | caphuso: woo, Debian++ |
| 09:03.23 | renegad3 | I was thinking more along the lines of putting one of those thumb tacks on it, so if the kids go to press it, they will learn from there mistake :D |
| 09:03.42 | HolyGoat | Hehe. |
| 09:03.47 | deathmaker_ | ok but what should i do now libgtk-dev depends on it |
| 09:04.02 | sanxiyn | deathmaker_: Huh? |
| 09:04.03 | werdnaxoc | for some reason flashdoes not work with my mozilla-firefox |
| 09:04.07 | werdnaxoc | how do I get it to work |
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| 09:04.10 | HolyGoat | Yes maybe sending them to the hereafter immediately is a little too rigorous. |
| 09:04.15 | werdnaxoc | I want to play music but it doe snot play it |
| 09:04.25 | sanxiyn | werdnaxoc: Are you on unstable |
| 09:04.29 | deathmaker_ | and i cant install gmplayer withuot it |
| 09:04.31 | EmleyMoor | werdnaxoc: Have you installed the flashplayer package? |
| 09:04.42 | mdh | dammit |
| 09:04.42 | sanxiyn | deathmaker_: Which mirror are you using |
| 09:04.56 | deathmaker_ | i've pasted it |
| 09:04.58 | werdnaxoc | sanxiyn, stable |
| 09:04.58 | deathmaker_ | :) |
| 09:05.02 | mdh | mosh pit access to tonights concert... and I'm 3 hours away :( |
| 09:05.03 | werdnaxoc | EmleyMoor, yes |
| 09:05.13 | EmleyMoor | Checked your mixer settings? |
| 09:05.14 | mdh | apt-get install teleporter |
| 09:05.15 | werdnaxoc | EmleyMoor, I can see flash animations but not hear music it will not play |
| 09:05.17 | sanxiyn | werdnaxoc: Then it should work. :( |
| 09:05.17 | HolyGoat | mdh: run forrest, run |
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| 09:05.35 | keta | and then I ran, and ran |
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| 09:05.55 | mdh | HolyGoat: have you been watching the Ents again? |
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| 09:06.00 | Rydekull | mdh: Setting up teleporter (2.3.40) ... |
| 09:06.04 | sanxiyn | deathmaker_: where did you paste...? |
| 09:06.20 | mdh | I'm not sure about this beaming stuff... is it safe? |
| 09:06.35 | werdnaxoc | any other browser out there to use other than firefox? |
| 09:06.35 | tirkal | where do I find the log(s) containing the list of all logins through SSH? |
| 09:06.36 | Rydekull | mdh: Well we've been beaming smiles at each other for ages |
| 09:06.42 | sanxiyn | Unable to locate package teleporter |
| 09:06.45 | sanxiyn | No packages found |
| 09:06.52 | deathmaker_ | deathmaker_ 500 http://debian.vinita.lt testing/main Package |
| 09:06.58 | Rydekull | sanxiyn: my mirror is so much better then yours :P |
| 09:07.04 | EmleyMoor | mozilla? However, if the animations are running, it is not likely to be the browser at fault |
| 09:07.11 | mdh | werdnaxoc: apt-cache search <something I might like to install> |
| 09:07.26 | sanxiyn | werdnaxoc: I am pretty sure browser or flash plugin is not your problem, if only sound is not working. |
| 09:07.29 | Rydekull | wouldnt it be better with something he would want to install? :P |
| 09:07.39 | HolyGoat | heh |
| 09:07.46 | werdnaxoc | I can run sound fine with xmms and such it just does not play |
| 09:07.49 | Rydekull | mdh: :) |
| 09:07.52 | werdnaxoc | www.beatports.com or www.audiojelly.com |
| 09:07.53 | werdnaxoc | either one |
| 09:08.04 | mdh | werdnaxoc: something else has control of your sound card |
| 09:08.07 | deathmaker_ | werdnaxoc, maybe your sound card is i use? try fuser -k /dev/dsp |
| 09:08.12 | Rydekull | mdh: why dont ya catch a bus to wherever you want to go |
| 09:08.21 | mdh | werdnaxoc: or perhaps the sound on those sites is broken |
| 09:08.24 | werdnaxoc | /dev/dsp: 28310 28311 28312 28313 |
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| 09:08.36 | werdnaxoc | deathmaker_, that is the responce |
| 09:08.50 | mdh | werdnaxoc: like, the .swf is trying to excplicitly launch windogs media player |
| 09:08.56 | werdnaxoc | nope |
| 09:09.01 | mdh | or its in some microsoft-specific format |
| 09:09.19 | werdnaxoc | the site requires flash to view it and listen to samples of music on the site, no lauching of programs |
| 09:09.24 | mdh | www.beatports.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again. |
| 09:09.31 | werdnaxoc | www.beatport.com |
| 09:09.32 | werdnaxoc | my bad |
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| 09:12.10 | werdnaxoc | what is the command to find otu all the tasks running? |
| 09:12.21 | pingpong | I want to unpack a .deb, make a change to a control file and repack. What tool should I use for the unpacking and repacking? |
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| 09:12.23 | mdh | werdnaxoc: ps |
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| 09:12.31 | pingpong | werdnaxoc, ps aux |
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| 09:12.46 | werdnaxoc | mdh, any luck with www.beatport.com |
| 09:12.48 | mdh | pingpong: apt-get source <pkg> && debuild |
| 09:12.49 | jm_ | pingpong: ar |
| 09:12.49 | qwertz_ | Hi! I've got dpkg__mysql_should_be_started and dpkg__mysql_was_running in my servers /etc/mysql - does anybody know if i can remove this files safely or are they important for dpkg? |
| 09:13.07 | Esaj | how does one set up encrypted filesystems? |
| 09:13.07 | mdh | werdnaxoc: I tried the other and no sound |
| 09:13.09 | pingpong | mdh, its a binary only package. :( |
| 09:13.16 | jm_ | Esaj: with skills |
| 09:13.19 | Cyis | anyone got any idea of where to begin looking to try and figure out why ping6 replies back "sendmsg: Operation not permitted" when I run it as root trying to ping the IPv6 address of the local machines interface *NOT* even a remote site |
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| 09:13.34 | sanxiyn | pingpong: dpkg -x |
| 09:13.35 | pingpong | jm_, ar works but worried final package won't have correct perms and dates |
| 09:13.44 | sanxiyn | pingpong: Ah, no. |
| 09:13.44 | jm_ | Esaj: read about dm-crypt |
| 09:13.54 | tarzeau | how to upgrade the memory on the g4 imac? |
| 09:13.58 | jm_ | pingpong: it will if you don't touch stuff inside it |
| 09:13.59 | Esaj | jm_: grazie |
| 09:14.23 | werdnaxoc | can you killall something by just the PID? |
| 09:14.27 | Guerin | tarzeau: if yoou upgrade anything it'll no longer be a mac! |
| 09:14.31 | phaedrus_ | i need a gui ftp server for this debian |
| 09:14.33 | phaedrus_ | ? |
| 09:14.35 | phaedrus_ | any ideas? |
| 09:14.37 | Morti | werdnaxoc: Um... kill? |
| 09:14.38 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: that's what kill is for |
| 09:14.44 | Morti | kill pid |
| 09:14.49 | tarzeau | Guerin: ba wa wa wa |
| 09:14.59 | werdnaxoc | werdnax 24760 0.0 0.1 7712 540 pts/0 T Jul06 0:00 ./sc_trans_linux |
| 09:15.03 | PerfDave | KILL KILL KILL! |
| 09:15.14 | PerfDave | werdnaxoc: kill 24760 |
| 09:15.18 | RichiH | eat eat eat |
| 09:15.21 | PerfDave | A GUI FTP *server*? |
| 09:15.24 | werdnaxoc | ist there a way to kill all the ./sc |
| 09:15.44 | phaedrus_ | yup |
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| 09:15.48 | sep | is there a way i can see what arguments a kernel was booted with ? in /proc or similar. have edited the grub meny, and would like to check what this kernel's arguments was |
| 09:15.49 | PerfDave | werdnaxoc: If you want to kill processes by PID, use kill. If you want to kill processes by name, use killall. |
| 09:16.23 | PerfDave | sep: dmesg | grep '^Kernel command line' |
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| 09:16.47 | werdnaxoc | I do killall sc_trans_linux |
| 09:16.49 | werdnaxoc | and it is still there |
| 09:16.50 | sep | PerfDave, thanks |
| 09:16.51 | caphuso | sep: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 09:17.00 | PerfDave | werdnaxoc: killall './sc_trans_linux' |
| 09:17.11 | sep | caphuso, thanks that worked also |
| 09:17.24 | werdnaxoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.24 | werdnaxoc | ./sc_trans_linux: No such file or directory |
| 09:17.27 | PerfDave | Bah, caphuso's solution is neater than ine. |
| 09:17.34 | PerfDave | werdnaxoc: With the quotes? |
| 09:17.44 | werdnaxoc | with and with out |
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| 09:17.56 | PerfDave | werdnaxoc: Ask #bash :) |
| 09:17.59 | fooz | is sc_trans_linux a script? |
| 09:18.04 | fooz | if so, you're killing the wrong thing |
| 09:18.21 | werdnaxoc | ./sc_trans_linux is a shoutcast connection thing |
| 09:18.32 | werdnaxoc | it is not up and running but ps aux says it is |
| 09:18.44 | fooz | i don't care what it does. i'm talking about what it is. |
| 09:18.45 | mdh | you might need to kill -9 it |
| 09:18.45 | fooz | is it a script? |
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| 09:18.55 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: killall sc_trans_linux |
| 09:18.59 | Blachold | hello again |
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| 09:19.25 | werdnaxoc | ok some how I killed it |
| 09:19.27 | werdnaxoc | WEWT!! |
| 09:19.35 | werdnaxoc | thank you for helping me out on the killing |
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| 09:19.50 | mdh | #debian likes to kill |
| 09:20.08 | int_19h | hey , people, I have one question |
| 09:20.10 | mdh | spammers, lamers, trolls, tards, ... |
| 09:20.26 | tralala | goats |
| 09:20.27 | Guerin | kill for alllah, kill for jesus! |
| 09:20.47 | Guerin | apart from PerfDave |
| 09:20.47 | sep | Guerin, all excuses for our violent natures |
| 09:20.57 | werdnaxoc | wewt beatports.com works |
| 09:21.08 | Guerin | wewt? |
| 09:21.11 | werdnaxoc | wait www.beatport.com |
| 09:21.16 | Guerin | is that some kind of lizard? |
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| 09:21.34 | int_19h | I red somewhere on the internet that the latest Debian install have some bug. Is it true ?? |
| 09:21.39 | werdnaxoc | wewt = woot |
| 09:21.44 | werdnaxoc | woot = owl noises |
| 09:22.00 | Esaj | can anyone recommend a laptop for development use? |
| 09:22.00 | werdnaxoc | owl's who make own noises = wise big eyes |
| 09:22.07 | Guerin | once like a barn owl and twice like a screech owl is what? |
| 09:22.09 | werdnaxoc | www.averatec.com |
| 09:22.11 | welson | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.14 | Guerin | Esaj: thinkpad |
| 09:22.15 | PerfDave | int_19h: 3.1r0 had a bug, 3.1r0a fixed it |
| 09:22.23 | drac | welson: yup |
| 09:22.23 | Guerin | welson: 1 |
| 09:22.25 | PerfDave | welson: It's for k7 - Athlons etc. |
| 09:22.25 | werdnaxoc | Esaj, check out averatec |
| 09:22.30 | welson | ok thanks guys.. |
| 09:22.49 | int_19h | PerfDave, but is there iso-s for download 3.1r0a ? |
| 09:22.58 | welson | amd sempron ? |
| 09:23.06 | PerfDave | int_19h: Yes |
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| 09:23.06 | Guerin | welson: 1 |
| 09:23.22 | welson | Guerin: while (1) ! |
| 09:23.24 | welson | yes! |
| 09:23.37 | welson | now this baby is working good :) |
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| 09:24.00 | Guerin | welson: pwn |
| 09:24.04 | welson | Guerin: but of course eventually i have to break out of a loop that's just while(1) <- its a bummer! :) |
| 09:24.08 | phaedrus_ | ne1 want to tell me how to do this? Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 09:24.09 | mdh | werdnaxoc: still doesn't work for me ;) |
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| 09:24.28 | werdnaxoc | mdh, both work now, I had xine using the sound |
| 09:24.33 | werdnaxoc | I was watching Ebichu hahah |
| 09:24.38 | Guerin | phaedrus_: echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
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| 09:24.55 | nazgul | hi |
| 09:24.59 | welson | Guerin: uh pwn? |
| 09:25.13 | welson | aha ! |
| 09:25.14 | welson | !pwn |
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| 09:25.39 | Guerin | phaedrus_: then do PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/foo/bar/gtk+-2.0.pc:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH if it looks sane |
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| 09:26.07 | phaedrus_ | nothing happend with echo |
| 09:26.10 | nazgul | how can I find out what process is reading/writing like mad to my hard disk? 'top' shows 75% wait and 20% nice, 'free' tells me the system has enough mem and is not swapping |
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| 09:26.21 | chealer | dpkg: no, gnumeric is a GNOME spreadsheet application, probably the best, with both-way conversion possible for Microsoft Excel (.xls) and OASIS (OpenOffice/StarOffice) XML files, plus many other formats |
| 09:26.22 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 09:26.26 | phaedrus_ | and nothing happend with the second either |
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| 09:29.23 | Esaj | hmm, I'm having trouble compiling my kernel with gcc 4 |
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| 09:29.47 | sh4dowcat | not a good idea |
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| 09:30.06 | tralala | gcc 4 = experimental ? |
| 09:30.08 | drac | not a goodidea to compile kernel with default gcc on unstable.. soon in testing? |
| 09:30.13 | Guerin | Esaj: don't use gcc4 -> done |
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| 09:30.36 | sh4dowcat | gcc4 is in testing |
| 09:30.44 | sh4dowcat | but it's not default |
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| 09:30.55 | drac | yet |
| 09:30.56 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: don't mean you should use it |
| 09:30.58 | mdh | sh4dowcat: its default in sid now |
| 09:31.00 | phaedrus_ | this is what i am trying to run when i get the gtk-2 error |
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| 09:31.01 | phaedrus_ | ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --sbindir=/usr/sbin |
| 09:31.06 | Your | Anyone know how to RP? |
| 09:31.12 | Esaj | sh4dowcat: yeah it's default for me too, that's why I asked |
| 09:31.19 | Guerin | mdh: oh, really? |
| 09:31.25 | sh4dowcat | no it's not a default |
| 09:31.29 | sh4dowcat | pre-release here |
| 09:31.34 | sh4dowcat | but I upgraded my way up from sarge |
| 09:31.40 | mdh | Esaj: install gcc-3.4 and use it to build the kernel |
| 09:31.40 | sh4dowcat | god knows what they did to the cd image |
| 09:31.41 | drac | It's default in unstable. Package gcc -> depends on gcc-4.0. |
| 09:31.44 | noname | Anyone can help me here is problem: http://pastebin.com/309367 |
| 09:31.46 | Guerin | mdh: that might explain why a couple of things i tried to build yesterday failed without a good reason. |
| 09:31.58 | sh4dowcat | hah Guerin |
| 09:32.00 | werdnaxoc | what would I use to unrar a .rar file? |
| 09:32.03 | sh4dowcat | I would expect more of you :P |
| 09:32.04 | drac | werdnaxoc: unrar |
| 09:32.09 | Esaj | mdh: ok. is it enough just to change the gcc symlink in /usr/bin? |
| 09:32.13 | mdh | Guerin: I was hoping it was made default because the kernel was okay with it now. Obviously that is a false hope :( |
| 09:32.15 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: why? |
| 09:32.19 | resiak | Your: "RP"? |
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| 09:32.29 | fooz | rectal probe |
| 09:32.29 | mdh | Esaj: no, there's all sorts of other components too |
| 09:32.31 | Your | Role play. |
| 09:32.35 | fooz | damn |
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| 09:32.38 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 09:32.39 | Guerin | mdh: well, it must have been recent, because i built a kernel a week or so ago without issues. |
| 09:32.39 | fooz | close. |
| 09:32.43 | sanxiyn | Esaj: Kernel has known problem building with GCC 4.0. |
| 09:32.44 | resiak | Your: Why are you asking on #debian? |
| 09:32.48 | mdh | Guerin: it was yesterday iirc |
| 09:32.49 | tralala | noname: do it from console, not from X |
| 09:32.53 | Your | - Shrugs- |
| 09:32.57 | Your | I can. |
| 09:32.59 | sh4dowcat | basically |
| 09:33.04 | mdh | Your: mama |
| 09:33.06 | sh4dowcat | don't build a freaking kernel on gcc4.0 |
| 09:33.08 | sh4dowcat | problem solved |
| 09:33.15 | sh4dowcat | I'm still waiting for 2.6.12 to stabilize |
| 09:33.19 | aro | i just realize that when you do aptitude purge package, the conf files from the packages are erased but the conf files of the dependencies remains , whereas those dependencies have been uninstalled, is there a way to erase all conf files ? |
| 09:33.23 | sh4dowcat | dpkg kernel |
| 09:33.25 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12.2, prepatch: 2.6.13-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.13-rc2-git1, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc2-mm1 |
| 09:33.32 | Esaj | ok, so how do I make it use gcc-3.4, which I have installed? |
| 09:33.35 | sh4dowcat | hmm... hasn't changed in two weeks |
| 09:33.36 | mdh | aro: purge those packages too |
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| 09:33.42 | Esaj | uninstall gcc-4.0? |
| 09:33.44 | sh4dowcat | Esaj: redirect the symlink |
| 09:33.53 | sh4dowcat | it's in /usr/bin I think |
| 09:33.56 | mdh | Esaj: CC=gcc-3.4 make-kpkg ... |
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| 09:33.58 | noname | http://pastebin.com/309367 help please |
| 09:34.01 | sh4dowcat | it should link gcc -> gcc4.0 |
| 09:34.05 | Esaj | mdh: thanks |
| 09:34.08 | sh4dowcat | redirect that to gcc3.4 |
| 09:34.09 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 make badgers |
| 09:34.10 | liable | nazgul: prolly klogd, or one of those others. add noatime to fstab and see how you go |
| 09:34.12 | sep | noname, tralala answerd you do as he says |
| 09:34.19 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: heh or that |
| 09:34.21 | noname | ok |
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| 09:34.30 | Guerin | hrm, on my sid boxen, /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 is still default |
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| 09:34.42 | Guerin | mdh: you hear that? you're WRONG! |
| 09:34.46 | sh4dowcat | still default in testing that's for sure |
| 09:34.46 | noname | ok thx you guys |
| 09:34.49 | aro | mdh, but thats not me that uninstalled those package , they are uninstalled by dependencies, so what ? there is no other way that pure every deps manually after uninstall process ? |
| 09:34.50 | mdh | Esaj: you can also edit the toplevel Makefile in the kernel sources and tell it to use gcc-3.4 or whatever |
| 09:34.54 | noname | :) |
| 09:34.57 | sh4dowcat | but the latest updates broke evolution |
| 09:35.00 | sh4dowcat | :( |
| 09:35.13 | mdh | Guerin: update it ;P |
| 09:35.25 | liable | Guerin: got it last night.. |
| 09:35.25 | Guerin | mdh: did last night |
| 09:35.28 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:35.40 | mdh | sh4dowcat: testing lags behind unstable by 2 weeks or something |
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| 09:35.57 | sh4dowcat | mdh: well apparently Q & A isn't what it used to be :P |
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| 09:36.10 | sh4dowcat | err QA |
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| 09:36.22 | mdh | sh4dowcat: testing exists for QA |
| 09:36.26 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 09:36.36 | liable | sh4dowcat: didnt you fix it? |
| 09:36.43 | sh4dowcat | liable: yeah I did |
| 09:36.54 | mdh | only the stuff that's ready for QA gets into testing.. the rest stays in unstable |
| 09:36.57 | sh4dowcat | I used dpkg to force the uninstall of libgnomecanvas |
| 09:37.00 | mdh | or really bad stuff in experimental |
| 09:37.07 | sh4dowcat | and dragged the stable libs in instead |
| 09:37.12 | sh4dowcat | that fixed it |
| 09:37.35 | sh4dowcat | mdh: well a crash due to a lib inconsistency sounds like unstable to me |
| 09:37.36 | Guerin | having apt-fu is good |
| 09:37.37 | sh4dowcat | but oh well |
| 09:37.39 | tralala | sh4dowcat: reportbug (or bugreport) |
| 09:37.41 | mdh | aro: all my experiences with aptitude have been bad. there's no telling exactly how its horked your system |
| 09:37.46 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:37.52 | Guerin | aptitude isn't the bogeyman |
| 09:37.54 | sh4dowcat | tralala: someone already did that |
| 09:38.05 | Devilman | I am setting up virtual hosting with Postfix and I need to make a new user for the virtual domain mailboxes... What is the most secure way of adding a new user that doesn't need shell access? Would useradd -d /dev/null -s /bin/false virtual be the best? |
| 09:38.11 | Guerin | there's one clear situation when it b0rks, and that's about it |
| 09:38.18 | sh4dowcat | mdh: I found out the hard way not to use aptitude for package troublesorting |
| 09:38.40 | sh4dowcat | tried to purge a library from testing a few weeks ago |
| 09:38.40 | mdh | Guerin: and that situation is.... every time I run it ;) |
| 09:38.45 | sh4dowcat | ended up throwing out all of gnome |
| 09:38.53 | sh4dowcat | I was like uhh ok that's the last time I use that again |
| 09:38.55 | Guerin | mdh: pebcak |
| 09:39.07 | nazgul | liable, prolly? |
| 09:39.18 | arno | ive got a problem upgrading fwbuilder, im using version 1.1.1 and i wanna upgrade to the latest stable being 2.0.3 but even after an apt-get update it tells me my version of fwbuilder is the latest. Any idea why? |
| 09:39.21 | mdh | Guerin: riiiight. |
| 09:39.32 | Esaj | hmm, I still got errors, even with gcc-3.4 |
| 09:39.33 | mdh | Guerin: I'm fixing an aptitude fuckup right now |
| 09:39.39 | Guerin | mdh: ENOERRORFORME :) |
| 09:39.45 | mdh | I really should be home. no, I really should be in Sydney at a concert |
| 09:39.46 | liable | nazgul: gah, dont make me write the whole word.. probably |
| 09:40.21 | Guerin | liable: mdh: you're right, though, it's pulling in gcc4 |
| 09:40.36 | sh4dowcat | for sid? |
| 09:40.37 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 09:40.37 | mdh | !win Guerin |
| 09:40.38 | liable | Guerin: happy compiling :P |
| 09:40.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 09:40.38 | Esaj | include/linux/i2c.h:58: error: array type has incomplete element type |
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| 09:40.47 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: yeah, sid. |
| 09:41.12 | sh4dowcat | means I should keep an eye out for bug reports |
| 09:41.13 | mdh | gcc 4 isn't too bad. I build my WM with (g++) it |
| 09:41.15 | nazgul | liable, haven't seen this before, anyways the disk is idling now. |
| 09:41.39 | mdh | but yeah, tradition states that every major gcc version upgrade won't compile the linux kernel |
| 09:41.44 | Guerin | Esaj: i suggest you either 1) build with gcc 3.x or 2) complete the element type in the array at include/linux/i2c.h:58 |
| 09:41.56 | sh4dowcat | mdh: hmm |
| 09:42.03 | tralala | arno: because your sources.list is wrong or you haven't done update yet |
| 09:42.07 | sh4dowcat | so how long until Linus switches to 4.0? |
| 09:42.09 | Esaj | Guerin: I am not worthy to edit the kernel source! |
| 09:42.19 | liable | nazgul: I had it once, and I think it was klogd, there was a little app that came with laptop-mode source that would give good output, as too what was accessing it. |
| 09:42.23 | sanxiyn | Esaj: Which kernel version are you compiling |
| 09:42.31 | Esaj | sanxiyn: 2.6.11 |
| 09:42.34 | Guerin | Esaj: then export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
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| 09:42.37 | sanxiyn | sh4dowcat: IIRC, "recommended" compiler to compile Kernel is still 2.95. |
| 09:42.39 | tralala | Linus, how long until you switch to 4.0? |
| 09:42.43 | Esaj | Guerin: yeah, I'm doing that now ;) |
| 09:42.53 | sh4dowcat | Esaj: cat /dev/random > inlcude/linux/*.h ;) |
| 09:42.55 | fooz | sanxiyn, heh, which kernel? not 2.6 |
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| 09:43.11 | Esaj | sh4dowcat: haha :) |
| 09:43.11 | mdh | Esaj: ffs its not some holy shrine, its just some bitch source code that won't compile. vim it. |
| 09:43.12 | fooz | probably not 2.4 either |
| 09:43.13 | sh4dowcat | sanxiyn: 2.95?! |
| 09:43.15 | Guerin | sanxiyn: hah, that's teh funnay |
| 09:43.26 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Perhaps case of not updated documentation? |
| 09:43.30 | fooz | 2.95 is very buggy |
| 09:43.39 | Esaj | mdh: you heathen |
| 09:43.41 | sh4dowcat | 2.95 was in woody |
| 09:43.54 | sanxiyn | 2.95 was more stable than early 3.x compilers. |
| 09:43.56 | Guerin | Esaj: wtf are you building 2.6.11 instead of .12? |
| 09:44.11 | henk | Hi, can i get php5 (cli/apachemod) in sarge somehow without manual compile ? Is there someone out there maintaning this? I didnt see it on backports |
| 09:44.16 | Guerin | henk: no. |
| 09:44.19 | fooz | bleh, the docs still say 2.95 |
| 09:44.19 | sh4dowcat | probably because he's waiting for 2.6.12 to stabilize |
| 09:44.20 | nazgul | fooz, are you referring to "2.96" , the RedHat thing? |
| 09:44.21 | Guerin | !php5 |
| 09:44.21 | dpkg | from memory, php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 09:44.23 | Esaj | Guerin: there's no package for it yet |
| 09:44.24 | fooz | nazgul, no |
| 09:44.25 | Guerin | henk: yes. |
| 09:44.29 | sanxiyn | fooz: Yes. You checked now. :-) |
| 09:44.38 | sh4dowcat | I'm still expecting 2.6.12.3 any day now |
| 09:44.41 | Guerin | Esaj: so? you're bfs, what need you a package? |
| 09:44.46 | fooz | i bet 2.95.x won't even build linux 2.6.12 |
| 09:45.00 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 09:45.28 | sh4dowcat | wget ftp.se.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.2.bz2 |
| 09:45.28 | Esaj | Guerin: *shrug* |
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| 09:45.42 | sh4dowcat | untar, link, use make-kpkg |
| 09:45.42 | sh4dowcat | done |
| 09:46.03 | Esaj | ok you win |
| 09:46.07 | sanxiyn | sh4dowcat: Won't work on system with gcc-4.0 as default gcc. |
| 09:46.11 | Esaj | it had better compile this time |
| 09:46.26 | sh4dowcat | sanxiyn: so use CC=/usr/bin/gcc3.4 then |
| 09:46.33 | tralala | CC=gcc-3.4 make-kpkg |
| 09:46.37 | sh4dowcat | btw while on the topic of kernels |
| 09:46.46 | sh4dowcat | is there anyway to optimize kernel compiles? |
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| 09:46.51 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: no. |
| 09:46.55 | sh4dowcat | right now mine come out at i386 |
| 09:47.02 | sh4dowcat | like build them for say, i686 |
| 09:47.11 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: that's ok. As long as you shoose something right in menuconfig. |
| 09:47.28 | sh4dowcat | ah ok |
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| 09:47.35 | drac | CFLAGS="march=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe" make-kpkg.. |
| 09:47.38 | Capkirk | howto verify /boot/grub/menu.1st without rebooting? |
| 09:47.39 | drac | ? :p |
| 09:47.59 | jm_ | it's not menu.1st |
| 09:48.02 | resiak | Capkirk: You know it's .lst not .1st |
| 09:48.07 | tralala | Capkirk: less /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:48.08 | sh4dowcat | drac: hmm |
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| 09:48.14 | fooz | jm_, it could be menu.1st. the grub menu file can be named anything you want |
| 09:48.16 | sh4dowcat | I'll look into that |
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| 09:48.35 | jm_ | fooz: yes, but someone who's asking how to verify it wouldn't know how to install GRUB to use it |
| 09:48.42 | Esaj | sh4dowcat: you could also try march=... or something in the compile options |
| 09:48.46 | henk | Guerin so it's there but its not a good idea to run these? |
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| 09:49.06 | aro | silly question but what is the best thing to do, sue shadow with or without pam ? |
| 09:49.09 | Capkirk | resiak: sorry what i meant |
| 09:49.23 | resiak | Capkirk: :) |
| 09:49.24 | fooz | aro, you can't run without pam |
| 09:49.25 | Capkirk | howto verify /boot/grub/menu.lst without rebooting? |
| 09:49.28 | sanxiyn | Capkirk: /sbin/grub |
| 09:49.34 | sanxiyn | It will launch grub shell. |
| 09:49.36 | sep | jm_: switched to 2.4 from 2.6 instead of slowing 10m/1h it now slows 1h/day. much better but not useable, but i have 1 sarge that dosn't slow. same kernel. same vmware config, but it have 1G ram instead of 512 |
| 09:49.37 | aro | fooz, yes you can, i do it now .. |
| 09:49.43 | fooz | if you say so |
| 09:49.46 | sanxiyn | Capkirk: If it is launched, you have correct config. |
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| 09:49.52 | sanxiyn | Capkirk: Type quit. |
| 09:49.55 | Capkirk | sanxiyn: ok thanks |
| 09:50.46 | sanxiyn | (Of course, if something goes wrong, you can fix it on grub shell yourself without editing config...) |
| 09:50.57 | aro | the others , what do you advice , use shadow with or without pam ? |
| 09:51.04 | werdnaxoc | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:51.05 | werdnaxoc | :( |
| 09:51.16 | Capkirk | sanxiyn: yeah i know that but i have a working kernel as backup |
| 09:51.18 | jm_ | sep: our ESX host is also acting up, ntpd is running, but it still loses about 5s per day, pretty odd |
| 09:51.39 | fooz | bleh vmware esx |
| 09:52.13 | Guerin | henk: yes. |
| 09:52.20 | sanxiyn | QotD: Etch should be versioned 3.14, followed by 3.141 release. -- Rene van Bevern |
| 09:52.41 | henk | Guerin hmm ok i'll compile by hand than |
| 09:52.47 | Garp | sanxiyn: Only TeX does this ;) |
| 09:52.51 | Guerin | henk: even worse idea |
| 09:53.08 | blu | is there a channel dedicated to linux on laptops? |
| 09:53.29 | Guerin | henk: you're much better using those php5 packages than your own hand-built versions, unless you think you're better than the people who run dotdeb, which you're not. |
| 09:53.33 | fooz | even at 600+K/s, downloading 318MB of debs takes too long |
| 09:53.40 | Guerin | blu: #laptop[s] might be |
| 09:53.57 | blu | Guerin: 2 persons combined :-) |
| 09:54.09 | jm_ | fooz: heh, I had to download much more on 256kbps link when finishing my Sarge upgrade |
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| 09:54.12 | tralala | blu: there is a web site linux-on-laptops.com |
| 09:54.14 | Guerin | blu: oh :( |
| 09:54.15 | sep | jm_, my host seams fine, you have decent peers in ntpq 'peer' command ? |
| 09:54.15 | henk | Guerin i thought you just meant that the dotnet packager where not a goog idea to run |
| 09:54.36 | Guerin | henk: php5 isn't a good idea - the packages aren't any worse. |
| 09:54.49 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Well, building PHP from source is not really that difficult? |
| 09:54.54 | sep | fooz, i'v been doing netinstalls on 64Kbps isdn for years dont complain ! |
| 09:55.08 | fooz | a net install is like, 30MB if that |
| 09:55.11 | fooz | not 300 |
| 09:55.11 | henk | Guerin php5 has been stable for quite some time now i thought ? |
| 09:55.18 | sep | fooz, not with gnome and desktop |
| 09:55.26 | Guerin | sanxiyn: it's more the issue of handbuilt stuff vs. debian packages. |
| 09:55.29 | jm_ | sep: we have a local NTP server, I'm comparing time to my own workstation |
| 09:55.29 | fooz | i don't use gnome or desktop things |
| 09:55.31 | Guerin | !qotd19 |
| 09:55.31 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 09:55.35 | Garp | fooz: depending on what you install it can be more than 300Mb... |
| 09:55.36 | Guerin | henk: ^^^^ |
| 09:55.36 | fooz | it's mostly development tools |
| 09:55.44 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Well, anyone can use checkinstall. |
| 09:55.52 | Guerin | sanxiyn: or dh_make |
| 09:55.52 | blu | I'll be pestering this channel then |
| 09:55.53 | sanxiyn | (Or install to /opt/php5) |
| 09:55.59 | fooz | and emacs and openoffice.org |
| 09:56.04 | jm_ | sep: it says offset is 0.000 but jitter is 4000 - that must be it |
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| 09:56.08 | Mameluke | emacs? |
| 09:56.10 | sep | jm_, so do i, but i use 3-4 other peers also from pool.ntp.org to have a comparison in ntpq peer |
| 09:56.17 | blu | Is anyone using those Dell Inspirons with those huge 17" monitors ? |
| 09:56.18 | fooz | xemacs is big |
| 09:56.18 | jm_ | sep: can't do that :) |
| 09:56.19 | sep | yikes |
| 09:56.28 | Mameluke | emacs in /opt ? |
| 09:56.36 | sep | jm_, your time's going back and forth a bit ? :) |
| 09:56.37 | Guerin | xemacs is good |
| 09:56.45 | jm_ | sep: and jitter is 0.001 on my workstation, using the same NTP server |
| 09:56.59 | Mameluke | vim instead of emacs |
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| 09:57.32 | fooz | go ride your vim tricycle off a cliff |
| 09:57.32 | black_Nightmare | hey |
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| 09:57.42 | fooz | leave my emacs alone |
| 09:58.03 | amorphix | hi guys, does anyone know what has to be done to get changes to exports file to be recognised by sys? |
| 09:58.05 | jm_ | sep: doesn't seem to |
| 09:58.16 | fooz | amorphix, for NFS? |
| 09:58.19 | amorphix | ya |
| 09:58.25 | fooz | amorphix, exportfs -u -a |
| 09:58.29 | amorphix | thanks :D |
| 09:58.31 | tralala | !does emacs have the tao |
| 09:58.31 | Guerin | amorphix: exportfs -rua |
| 09:58.32 | dpkg | I don't see why not, it's bloody well got everything else. |
| 09:58.34 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:58.42 | amorphix | cheers |
| 09:58.45 | Guerin | !beer dpkg |
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| 09:59.49 | jm_ | hmm this ntp stuff confuses me |
| 10:00.10 | sep | jm_, jitter 4000 on only have that if i dont get a ntp connection and it's stuck in INIT with st 16 |
| 10:00.17 | sep | jm_ ie no conenction |
| 10:00.31 | sanxiyn | !does emacs have buddha nature |
| 10:00.32 | dpkg | sanxiyn: no. |
| 10:00.32 | jm_ | sep: it is stick in st 16 - are there any docs about this? |
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| 10:00.49 | sep | st 16 means not conencted are you firewalled away from your timeserver ? |
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| 10:00.58 | blu | !does vim have the foo |
| 10:01.03 | jm_ | sep: I also ran ntpdate just now on my workstation and ntpq shows offset -136.89 |
| 10:01.06 | sep | hmm i'v used the manpages |
| 10:01.14 | jm_ | sep: no, both machines are on LAN |
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| 10:01.24 | amorphix | strange, i have no such command for exportfs |
| 10:01.31 | longshanks | how long will the security structure remain for woody ? |
| 10:01.33 | sep | jm_, ill msg you mine |
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| 10:01.57 | fooz | amorphix, restart/reload mountd then |
| 10:01.58 | liable | gah, 3 fucking hours remaining to download kernel source :( |
| 10:02.07 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:02.15 | dondelelcaro | liable: what, is this dialup? |
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| 10:03.02 | liable | dondelelcaro: unfortunately yes. Very painfull. |
| 10:03.33 | Mameluke | liable, ? |
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| 10:03.54 | Mameluke | liable, maybe < 3 mins |
| 10:04.19 | longshanks | Does anyone know how long the security strucutre for woody will remain... or does debian keep stable and oldstable in sync (security update-wise) .. The question I'm really asking is.. should I use sarge for all internet facing hosts.. or is it safe to leave them on woody and just apply the security updates |
| 10:05.00 | sep | The security team will continue to support Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 alias |
| 10:05.00 | sep | woody until May 2006, or if the security support for the next release, |
| 10:05.00 | sep | codenamed etch, starts, whatever happens first. |
| 10:05.07 | caphuso | longshanks: may 2006 or until etch gets released |
| 10:05.12 | liable | Mameluke: its dial up, and a 37M file... |
| 10:05.15 | sep | longshanks, directly from the latest announcement |
| 10:05.46 | Mameluke | liable, just to buy the distrro CDs |
| 10:06.01 | werdnaxoc | how do I get unrar because apt-get install unrar does not work |
| 10:06.07 | mdh | liable: if you have any earlier kernel source locally, rsync |
| 10:06.10 | liable | Mameluke: what?? |
| 10:06.16 | Mameluke | liable, sit on bus and go home ... < 1 hours |
| 10:06.17 | longshanks | sep, caphuso thanks |
| 10:06.47 | liable | mdh: ooh, now thats an idea. |
| 10:06.50 | Mameluke | liable, buy it from gnu ? |
| 10:07.06 | n1k0 | ubuntu vs debian? |
| 10:07.08 | n1k0 | =) |
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| 10:07.33 | fooz | dpkg etch pool |
| 10:07.33 | dpkg | etch pool is probably Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 10:07.38 | Mameluke | ko each other ? |
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| 10:08.00 | Esaj | I'm considering switching to ubuntu for my desktop system |
| 10:08.24 | Mameluke | Esaj, why? |
| 10:08.35 | fooz | my desktop is made of wood. it doesn't run an OS |
| 10:08.36 | Esaj | because of the faster release cycle |
| 10:08.44 | longshanks | isn't ubuntu some debian derivative ? |
| 10:08.50 | jethro | ubunto |
| 10:08.51 | n1k0 | yes |
| 10:08.51 | Esaj | on a desktop I typically want the latest and greatest stuff |
| 10:09.07 | Esaj | unlike a server, where I'm just interested in stability and security |
| 10:09.08 | longshanks | Esaj: so make your own packages.. |
| 10:09.20 | Esaj | longshanks: that takes effort. I'm lazy |
| 10:09.21 | fooz | windows users are happy with using an OS that is years old |
| 10:09.23 | Mameluke | liable, debian stable + compiling your own packages |
| 10:09.46 | longshanks | I have a workstation that I want the latest and greatest stuff on.. so i use gentoo. on the 12 other boxes that i need to work 24/7 365 i run debian. |
| 10:09.56 | Mameluke | s/liabie/Esaj/ |
| 10:10.16 | liable | Mameluke: thanks, I have no further use for your comments... |
| 10:10.27 | Mameluke | longshanks, think about windows |
| 10:10.39 | longshanks | Mameluke: In what way ? |
| 10:10.56 | Mameluke | longshanks, windows 24/7 |
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| 10:11.07 | n1k0 | I think there's not much difference between ubuntu and debian unstable |
| 10:11.12 | fooz | on my servers that need to work 24/7 365 i run sid |
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| 10:11.17 | Mameluke | longshanks, 90% people did |
| 10:11.21 | Esaj | I use unstable at the moment |
| 10:11.25 | longshanks | sanxiyn: The problem with running sid is that you dont actually need *everything* to be the latest, if you do , you get problems with stuff you dont even care if its out of date. |
| 10:11.51 | sanxiyn | longshanks: So true. |
| 10:12.06 | longshanks | Mameluke: Erm. If I need it to run 24/7 I wouldn't choose windows. I wouldn't trust windows for my PDA. |
| 10:12.11 | n1k0 | Esaj: Me too, I used to use ubuntu but I like debian unstable more |
| 10:12.15 | Esaj | longshanks: what's gentoo like then? |
| 10:12.28 | Mameluke | longshanks, 24/7 cell ? |
| 10:12.38 | Esaj | n1k0: why's that? I thought ubuntu was slightly ahead e.g. KDE 3.4 |
| 10:13.00 | fooz | thank goodness i'm not some desktop rat race type |
| 10:13.00 | Esaj | n1k0: erm, that would be in kubuntu ;) |
| 10:13.02 | longshanks | Esaj: A pain in the ass unless you're quite experienced I'd say. If you're just going to accept the default options and not even work out how to control your dependencies properly (i.e. you just wanna look l33t) then its not really worth it. |
| 10:13.30 | longshanks | That said... I find it very nice to use on a minimal workstation with lots of DVD authoring software et al. (dont ask( |
| 10:13.33 | n1k0 | Esaj: I never tried kubuntu...I don't like KDE :D |
| 10:13.39 | longshanks | s/\(/\) |
| 10:13.43 | Mameluke | longshanks, really? |
| 10:14.05 | sep | longshanks, i used it once. but it took bloody forever to install. im not that patient |
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| 10:14.27 | Mage\work | s/DR17/DR17 |
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| 10:14.32 | Mage\work | s/DR16/DR17 |
| 10:14.41 | Mameluke | longshanks, buy a dvd software... "designed for linux" |
| 10:14.57 | fooz | don't change what I say. I'm not running E DR17 |
| 10:14.57 | drac | Mameluke: Missed one / |
| 10:15.01 | sanxiyn | Esaj: Ubuntu is ahead for some things, and behind for some things. |
| 10:15.07 | drac | err |
| 10:15.12 | drac | Mage\work ^^ |
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| 10:15.15 | Mameluke | drac, ? |
| 10:15.19 | drac | Mameluke: sorry, nick completion. |
| 10:15.21 | n1k0 | hey, debian stable(sarge) isn't so old...think about windows xp :D :D |
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| 10:15.32 | longshanks | sep: Well the problem is people think it's just like any other linux .. but you just compile everything so its the latest. Well.. there are distributions that use more up-to-date packages you could just use that instead. Really you should use gentoo to only install what you want, where you want it, with the dependecies YOU WANT, etc etc etc. If you're not going to do it this way.. shit man when you run emerge -puD world, it will take fou |
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| 10:15.53 | jethro | !gentoo |
| 10:15.53 | dpkg | gentoo is, like, a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice |
| 10:16.02 | Mameluke | longshanks, any problem? |
| 10:16.02 | sep | longshanks, yes exactly |
| 10:16.09 | black_Nightmare | hmm.... |
| 10:16.10 | n1k0 | ubuntu is very usable without any configuration. Very good distribution for a totally newbie |
| 10:16.12 | black_Nightmare | !snort |
| 10:16.13 | dpkg | i heard snort is at http://www.snort.org, or *SNORT!* |
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| 10:16.29 | longshanks | sep: I did laugh when I first used it though..... at the fact taht you need to use distcc on MANY machines to keep ONE box up-to-date. Its an administrators nightmare! |
| 10:16.41 | black_Nightmare | n1k0 yeah and you know theres #ubuntu didn't you? ;) |
| 10:16.43 | longshanks | sep: however i believe on a workstation its acceptible (if you are going to admin it yourself) |
| 10:17.02 | Mameluke | n1k0, hmm,it's designed for me (n00b) |
| 10:17.14 | longshanks | sep: But i've used debian since slink so you know where my loyalties lie ;) |
| 10:17.20 | longshanks | Router subnet: 194.129.162.8/30 |
| 10:17.20 | longshanks | Router: 194.129.162.9 |
| 10:17.20 | longshanks | Dong: 194.129.162.10 |
| 10:17.20 | longshanks | CFTM: 194.129.161.234 |
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| 10:17.27 | longshanks | sorry.. |
| 10:17.28 | sep | longshanks, that's why i like debian. you want something custom on many boxes you make a simple package and all boxes will get it from your local repro |
| 10:17.30 | dondelelcaro | longshanks: read /topic please. |
| 10:17.52 | Mameluke | *SIGN* |
| 10:17.56 | longshanks | dondelelcaro: i didn't mean to paste that here was supposed to be in the other terminal (mutt) |
| 10:18.50 | drac | Mameluke: Sign is e.g. Cross, or Pentagram, or such. Sing is when someone sings. Did you mean sigh? :P |
| 10:18.52 | Panzerboy | what does the topic mean about non-us not exising anymore? |
| 10:19.05 | longshanks | sep: I'm slowly upgrading my boxen over to sarge... |
| 10:19.09 | sep | Panzerboy, read the /msg pkg the topic suggests |
| 10:19.09 | drac | Panzerboy: Means those packages are in main now. |
| 10:19.16 | Panzerboy | oh, cool |
| 10:19.40 | longshanks | I think it's due to a more laid back stance with regards to encryption ? |
| 10:19.43 | Mameluke | drac, da**it my keyboard ... stick |
| 10:19.54 | dondelelcaro | again, read the topic and you will be enlightened. |
| 10:19.58 | Mameluke | drac, (made in xxxxx) |
| 10:20.31 | longshanks | sid is getting gcc4. lol. that's gonna hose a few packages |
| 10:20.39 | mathieu | Mameluke, why do you feel like censoring yourself? |
| 10:20.58 | longshanks | mathieu: It's refreshing to see that some people do ;) |
| 10:20.59 | Mameluke | mathieu, what do you mean? |
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| 10:21.45 | Mameluke | mathieu, my cpu is 37C now |
| 10:21.50 | mathieu | Mameluke, you intend to use strong language but you don't dare to type it completely |
| 10:21.57 | sanxiyn | longshanks: Yes it will. |
| 10:21.59 | cast_ | installing vsftpd added the dir /home/ftp to serve files from. why is there a s in the permissions of the dir ['drwxr-sr-x 2 root nogroup']s and what does it do? |
| 10:22.06 | sanxiyn | longshanks: Thankfully, in some cases we can steal Ubuntu patches :-) |
| 10:22.24 | Mameluke | mathieu, strong-type? weak-type? |
| 10:22.27 | resiak | cast_: man chmod. Look for STICKY DIRECTORIES |
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| 10:22.51 | resiak | cast_: Ignore m. |
| 10:22.56 | resiak | cast_: I was talking rubbish. |
| 10:23.22 | mathieu | Mameluke, your english is not so good? or are you just making fun of me? :) |
| 10:23.43 | resiak | cast_: It means that the directory is setgid, and I _think_ that that means that files created will have "nogroup" as their group. |
| 10:23.43 | cast_ | resiak: no, that helped, i didnt notice the stickt directories section of the manpage :\ |
| 10:23.47 | Mameluke | mathieu, (sheme) |
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| 10:24.21 | resiak | cast_: "s" means setid, "t" means sTicky. |
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| 10:24.49 | cast_ | resiak: yip, that is the case. files have nogroup as their group |
| 10:25.09 | longshanks | sticky is more useful on an upload ftp directory so that people dont delete other peoples files |
| 10:25.23 | longshanks | however its no longer used to keep pages in ram like what it was used for at time of conception |
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| 10:25.52 | longshanks | cast_: I'd recommend taking a look at sticky bits if your creating an incoming or such like directory. |
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| 10:26.25 | longshanks | another favorite of mine is having x permisssion without r, so you can only upload if you know the upload folder name. i.e. a hidden directory. |
| 10:26.31 | cast_ | i was just curious as to why it was there and the default. im not going to use it as a incoming dir, ill merely scp things into there |
| 10:26.42 | black_Nightmare | I'm just a bit ocnfused by one thing...this channel told me the wallstreet was newworld but some mac people told me its actually oldworld due to production date otherwise |
| 10:26.56 | black_Nightmare | just...is it new or old or what??? lol |
| 10:27.02 | longshanks | cast_: well setguid nogroup seems a bit weird. I'd expect setguid ftp-group blah blah |
| 10:27.03 | black_Nightmare | wallstreet powerbook.. series II |
| 10:27.05 | Teez | Im curious, I've never used debian before, does debian update packages with apt-get or just provide security fixes? |
| 10:27.23 | doleyb | Teez: no |
| 10:27.23 | resiak | black_Nightmare: #debianppc are more likely to know |
| 10:27.24 | mdh | amaroK reminds me of microsoft windows |
| 10:27.43 | sep | Teez, depends on what version debian you use, sarge only gets security updates, etch gets new package |
| 10:27.52 | black_Nightmare | ohh duh sorry lol resiak |
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| 10:27.58 | black_Nightmare | I sometimes forget I'm in the x86 channel |
| 10:28.04 | dondelelcaro | Teez: for stable, only security updates are given. Howveer, you can always upgrade to the next version. |
| 10:28.25 | dondelelcaro | black_Nightmare: you can ask any question here, but the specialized channels may give better answrs. |
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| 10:28.45 | Teez | So from my point of view, Im a new user who has only a basic grasp on linux, should I go for etch or sarge? |
| 10:28.55 | mdh | Teez: sarge |
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| 10:29.27 | mdh | Teez: that way things won't break from under you and you'll be left wondering why, with little clue how to fix it |
| 10:29.28 | cast_ | Teez: sarge |
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| 10:29.34 | rixth | How do I set the time? I thought it was time-admin but no? |
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| 10:29.43 | jm_ | rixth: /msg dpkg set time |
| 10:29.50 | rixth | thank |
| 10:29.58 | Teez | Alright, thanks everyone :) |
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| 10:31.32 | apoplex_ | hi, is anyone using the glut libs ? |
| 10:31.49 | periko | is there some way to know which packages are on each CD of the distribution ? |
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| 10:32.14 | kombi | which package do you install to get the good old "mail" command from shell? |
| 10:32.23 | jm_ | kombi: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:32.32 | rixth | There HAS to be a gui for time admin. |
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| 10:32.40 | sanxiyn | kombi: mailx |
| 10:32.42 | mdh | periko: mount /mnt/cdrom && ls -lR /mnt/cdrom |
| 10:32.42 | kombi | jm_: there are zillions of things with mail in it.. |
| 10:32.49 | doleyb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.52 | kombi | sanxiyn: thanks! |
| 10:33.13 | apoplex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.26 | niksie | what tool did one use to show what users are using /dev/dsp, or another file ? |
| 10:33.41 | mdh | niksie: fuser, lsof, ... |
| 10:33.48 | niksie | thanks |
| 10:34.01 | longshanks | rixth: there is some clock type app thing in gnome.. but I dont use X so perhaps someone else here can advise |
| 10:34.22 | jm_ | kombi: but they're not in bin/mail ... |
| 10:34.46 | periko | dpkg search is good when i already have the CD's. I want to know it before, so i can decide what CDs i need |
| 10:34.46 | dpkg | ...but search is already something else... |
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| 10:34.56 | kl1 | hi |
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| 10:35.10 | kl1 | i just install apache but i dont see www .. |
| 10:35.13 | sanxiyn | rixth: If you are on GNOME, gnome-system-tools has time-admin. |
| 10:35.17 | jm_ | !cd contents |
| 10:35.17 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
| 10:35.22 | jm_ | periko ^^^^^ |
| 10:35.44 | kl1 | :/ |
| 10:35.49 | sanxiyn | rixth: (Which can be used to do NTP also) |
| 10:36.06 | periko | thanx |
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| 10:37.05 | kl1 | i dont see www in apache :/ |
| 10:37.19 | sanxiyn | kl1: ??? |
| 10:37.45 | kl1 | i just isntall apache |
| 10:38.03 | kl1 | but i dont see the www folder in gftp |
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| 10:38.34 | sanxiyn | kl1: What? |
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| 10:38.36 | ChanOP | hi |
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| 10:38.47 | sanxiyn | kl1: Debian Apache's DocumentRoot is /var/www. |
| 10:38.48 | kl1 | me install apache to day |
| 10:39.00 | ChanOP | i have a problem with ProFTPD |
| 10:39.02 | kl1 | to day |
| 10:39.04 | sanxiyn | kl1: Where are you searching for www in what, gftp? |
| 10:39.10 | cplx | What do I type to msg dpkg if I forget root's password? |
| 10:39.13 | kl1 | every where |
| 10:39.13 | sanxiyn | Why are you using gftp after all. |
| 10:39.19 | ChanOP | in ps this shown: proftpd: (accepting connections) |
| 10:39.20 | sanxiyn | kl1: It's /var/www. |
| 10:39.22 | kl1 | yes gftp |
| 10:39.25 | ChanOP | but i can't connect to it |
| 10:39.38 | Guerin | ChanOP: using what? |
| 10:39.40 | kl1 | gftp is graphical |
| 10:39.49 | sanxiyn | kl1: ?????? |
| 10:40.05 | ChanOP | with ftp command |
| 10:40.10 | kl1 | i install it in a nother machine far away from here |
| 10:40.11 | sanxiyn | kl1: You installed Apache. Why are you using gFTP (I perfectly know what it is) to find out "www folder", whatever that is? |
| 10:40.17 | Guerin | ChanOP: what about telnet host 21? |
| 10:40.25 | ChanOP | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 10:40.31 | kl1 | i dont use terminal so good thats why |
| 10:40.53 | sanxiyn | kl1: You put files on /var/www. |
| 10:40.57 | Guerin | ChanOP: what output does the daemon give? what does the client say? is the daemon listening on the appropriate interface? |
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| 10:41.19 | kl1 | sanxiyn the machine i install apache is not here in my home |
| 10:41.24 | ChanOP | how can i see it? |
| 10:41.26 | sanxiyn | kl1: I know. |
| 10:41.36 | Guerin | ChanOP: see what? |
| 10:41.49 | ChanOP | that: "is the daemon listening on the appropriate interface?" |
| 10:42.03 | sanxiyn | kl1: You can navigate filesystem in FTP client... |
| 10:42.18 | Guerin | ChanOP: are you saying you don't know how to configure the ftpd you're running? read the damn config file. |
| 10:42.29 | kl1 | sanxiyn ok |
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| 10:43.21 | ChanOP | i use bind and an IP address |
| 10:43.22 | kl1 | sanxiyn ok is there, but is posible to have that www folder in each user? |
| 10:43.30 | sanxiyn | kl1: Yes. |
| 10:43.44 | Guerin | ChanOP: is it the ip address to which you're trying to connect? |
| 10:43.48 | kl1 | i just copy it? :) |
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| 10:44.17 | sanxiyn | kl1: It is usually configured has public_html directory under user's home directory. |
| 10:44.22 | ChanOP | yes |
| 10:44.27 | sanxiyn | s/has/as/ |
| 10:44.41 | sanxiyn | kl1: You create a directory named public_html under your home directory, and put files ther.e |
| 10:44.43 | Sabota | i have installed skype on dbian sarge i have E/S problem how can i resolved it |
| 10:45.02 | Guerin | Sabota: by first telling us what E/S problem is |
| 10:45.03 | cplx | how do I fsck my root file system, like what does that mean? |
| 10:45.14 | cplx | fsck /root |
| 10:45.14 | cplx | ? |
| 10:45.30 | kl1 | sanxiyn ok i try then :) thanks |
| 10:45.44 | Guerin | cplx: shutdown -rF now |
| 10:45.54 | cplx | Guerin: Don't be a smart ass.. |
| 10:45.56 | cplx | sigh |
| 10:46.01 | Sabota | i thing audio input ouput |
| 10:46.02 | Guerin | cplx: i'm serious. |
| 10:46.07 | cplx | get fucked. |
| 10:46.10 | sanxiyn | kl1: Further Apache questions are answered http://httpd.apache.org/ , or #apache channel. |
| 10:46.12 | cplx | sly cunt |
| 10:46.15 | Guerin | cplx: what makes you think i'm being a smart arse? |
| 10:46.21 | Guerin | cplx: ... |
| 10:46.23 | cplx | shutdown -rF |
| 10:46.24 | cplx | yer ok |
| 10:46.25 | resiak | cplx: `man shutdown`, you moron. |
| 10:46.27 | kl1 | sanxiyn ok :) |
| 10:46.39 | Guerin | cplx: fine, try to fsck your / while it's in use. |
| 10:46.44 | Guerin | cplx: be my guest. |
| 10:46.46 | kl1 | sanxiyn to install mysql is apt-get install mysql? |
| 10:46.52 | cplx | ..sigh |
| 10:47.33 | cplx | fsck your root file system, shutdown -rF |
| 10:47.34 | Guerin | cplx: let me know when you find the answer. |
| 10:47.34 | longshanks | Guerin: lol |
| 10:47.37 | cplx | eh? |
| 10:47.41 | sanxiyn | kl1: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 10:47.45 | kl1 | ok :) |
| 10:47.46 | Guerin | cplx: yes. |
| 10:47.49 | ChanOP | telnet says: Trying IP; Connected to ... ; Escape character is '^]'. ; Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 10:47.53 | gp^ | !seen ash007 |
| 10:47.53 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ash007', gp^ |
| 10:48.01 | gp^ | :| |
| 10:48.02 | cplx | What is 'shutdown' related to fsck ? |
| 10:48.03 | Guerin | ChanOP: ok, now what does the daemon say? |
| 10:48.12 | Guerin | cplx: rtfm and find out |
| 10:48.13 | resiak | cplx: ! -F Force fsck on reboot. |
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| 10:48.31 | longshanks | cplx: If you try using fsck on a mounted filesystem you'll be warned its a very very bad idea , ANYWAY |
| 10:48.41 | cplx | ok. |
| 10:49.07 | Guerin | longshanks: well, he clearly has no fucking idea what he's doing, else he'd not have asked questions which are clearly explained in TFMs |
| 10:49.10 | cplx | Guerin: I appologise.. |
| 10:49.16 | cplx | Thanks everyone.. |
| 10:49.24 | Guerin | cplx: i'd accept it if you spelt it correctly. |
| 10:49.40 | resiak | cplx: A note for the future: don't call people who are helping you "cunt"s,. |
| 10:50.00 | cplx | Appologize? Sorry.. Australian spelling is appologise.. |
| 10:50.09 | Guerin | cplx: no it is fucking not. |
| 10:50.10 | resiak | cplx: No, it's not. |
| 10:50.16 | cplx | eh..? |
| 10:50.27 | resiak | !dict appologise |
| 10:50.29 | dpkg | could not find definition for appologise |
| 10:50.35 | Guerin | cplx: i come from New Zealand. We speak much the same english as you do down there. |
| 10:50.56 | Guerin | though we play better rugby |
| 10:51.01 | sanxiyn | !dict apologize |
| 10:51.03 | dpkg | Dictionary 'apologize' (3 of 4): . Apologize \A*pol"o*gize\, v. t. To defend. [Obs.] ;; Apologize \A*pol"o*gize\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. Apologized; p. pr. & vb. n. Apologizing.] [Cf. F. apologiser.] 1. To make an apology or defense. --Dr. H. More. ;; To apologize for his insolent language. --Froude.. |
| 10:51.14 | sanxiyn | Single p. |
| 10:51.44 | longshanks | apologize OR apologise. |
| 10:51.46 | Guerin | Why yes, I am a spellling nazi. |
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| 10:51.51 | RichiH | are there any known problems with scsi 'disks' (read: raid) larger than 2 TB and fdisk on debian? the debian install at university is complaining that is does not know the number of blocks. but scsi tells you about block count etc, does it not? |
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| 10:52.24 | raf256 | how can I mount /dev/hdb1 (ntfs) so that each user in group "ntfs" have rwx access to it? |
| 10:52.35 | Guerin | raf256: man mount |
| 10:52.38 | resiak | raf256: You want _write_ access? |
| 10:52.49 | raf256 | resiak: hmm it woud be nice, but r-x will do |
| 10:52.52 | resiak | !tell raf256 -about vfatrw |
| 10:53.01 | resiak | raf256: You don't write to ntfs under Linux. |
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| 10:53.12 | raf256 | ok, thnx |
| 10:53.31 | cplx | No.. it's appologise.. |
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| 10:53.40 | resiak | cplx: No, it _really_ isn't. |
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| 10:54.12 | cplx | You Australian resiak ? |
| 10:54.13 | drac | Apologize. |
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| 10:54.32 | sanxiyn | cplx: As its etymology is apo + logos, it can't have two ps. |
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| 10:55.08 | resiak | raf256: You can jump through hoops and do it (google captive ntfs) or you can use the kernel's write support if you don't change any file sizes, but basically you should expect to lose everything on the partition if you write to it. |
| 10:55.09 | Guerin | cplx: state your sources |
| 10:55.25 | resiak | cplx: No, I'm English, but see what sanxiyn says. |
| 10:55.26 | soccos | what can I used to execute queries relating to *installed* packages? |
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| 10:55.59 | soccos | oh, that'll be dpkg then |
| 10:56.00 | Guerin | sanxiyn's native language isn't even english, and he's STILL doing better than cplx |
| 10:56.08 | ChanOP | the proftpd daemon says: - FTP session closed. |
| 10:56.12 | ChanOP | if i try to connect to it |
| 10:56.17 | resiak | soccos: `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^ii` gives you a list... |
| 10:56.33 | teleyinex | hi |
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| 10:56.56 | teleyinex | someone knows how can i generate traffic in my LAN to test it? |
| 10:57.08 | teleyinex | exists anything for this? |
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| 10:57.28 | resiak | teleyinex: scp /dev/random badger@mushroom:/dev/null ? |
| 10:57.42 | teleyinex | resiak, good one |
| 10:57.49 | soccos | resiak: thx, dpkg-query -s did what I want |
| 10:57.51 | resiak | teleyinex: Better, netcat. |
| 10:57.55 | resiak | soccos: Mmkay. |
| 10:57.55 | teleyinex | very very good one |
| 10:57.56 | teleyinex | ok |
| 10:58.02 | Tuttle | Does anyone experienced unability to lod via openssh using public key auth with this error - debug3: mm_answer_keyallowed: key 0x809f878 is disallowed ? |
| 10:58.12 | teleyinex | but I want to do it between one linux box and one swith |
| 10:58.26 | Tuttle | My ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is valid for another server, has correct permissions and path. |
| 10:58.42 | Tuttle | [lod -> login] |
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| 10:59.43 | xoz | Tuttle: search google |
| 11:00.12 | Tuttle | xoz: I'm doing so. Many similar questions, no real answer. |
| 11:00.27 | as13 | teleyinex tcpdump/tcpreplay |
| 11:01.09 | xoz | Tuttle: search more |
| 11:01.13 | Tuttle | :-) |
| 11:02.44 | Guerin | !test |
| 11:02.44 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 11:02.52 | Guerin | anyone got a dns server for me? |
| 11:03.01 | Guerin | mine seem to be failing on lookups |
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| 11:04.17 | longshanks | Tuttle: did you upgrade woody to sarge ? |
| 11:05.17 | longshanks | Tuttle: there's a question about allowing client challange, that's why i ask. it's important if you use key based authentication. |
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| 11:07.26 | Tuttle | longshanks: no, cleanly installed sarge |
| 11:08.26 | as13 | how |
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| 11:09.13 | EmleyMoor | If I have a backup of the files from my machine as it was before it was wiped, is there an easy way to recover a list of "Debian-managed" packages that were on it? |
| 11:10.26 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 11:10.33 | teleyinex | as13, the traffict that i generate using netcat is little |
| 11:10.36 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: that'll show all packages which were installed |
| 11:10.50 | EmleyMoor | How would it know? What files would it know from? |
| 11:10.59 | longshanks | Guerin: but he'll need to restore /var/lib/dpkg |
| 11:11.23 | cplx | I spoke to someone earlier and I told them my problem, When I try su -s /bin/bash it says 'No Shell' so they advised I do the 'forget root password |
| 11:11.25 | EmleyMoor | Ah - so I restore that and then run that command? :-) |
| 11:11.27 | cplx | procedure |
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| 11:11.33 | Guerin | longshanks: naturally |
| 11:11.36 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 11:11.43 | cplx | I have booted linux init=/bin/sh |
| 11:11.49 | jeffrin | what is LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:11.54 | cplx | how do I change the root's shell via this shell |
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| 11:12.13 | Guerin | cplx: look at /etc/passwd |
| 11:12.20 | _john12 | hello.. iwant some help with the gngeogui |
| 11:12.35 | longshanks | EmleyMoor: yes. |
| 11:12.38 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 11:12.39 | _john12 | i have configured everything properly, but the launch button doesn't do anything. why is that? |
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| 11:12.52 | longshanks | EmleyMoor: Then use aptitude to fix anything. |
| 11:12.55 | cplx | Guerin: It's readonly when I have booted off /bin/sh |
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| 11:13.01 | longshanks | EmleyMoor: aptitude -f |
| 11:13.24 | EmleyMoor | longshanks: OK - apps installed during my new installation, how will they be affected by this? |
| 11:13.28 | longshanks | EmleyMoor: you could also run a dpkg --audit too. |
| 11:13.38 | kalsdmklasmdl | hello |
| 11:13.44 | jakob_ | can I downgrade to evolution2.0 and keep my settings and data? 2.2.2-4 segfault every other minute.. |
| 11:13.51 | kalsdmklasmdl | i'm very much a newbie |
| 11:14.09 | cplx | Guerin: You need more detail of my issue? |
| 11:14.13 | kalsdmklasmdl | is there a separete help channel or something |
| 11:14.33 | resiak | cplx: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 11:14.37 | kalsdmklasmdl | i need some help about broken package... |
| 11:14.43 | Guerin | cplx: remount it |
| 11:14.55 | Guerin | i'm watching samurai jack now, i'm incommunicado |
| 11:15.07 | cplx | Cheers Guerin, resiak :) |
| 11:15.15 | Panzerboy | kalsdmklasmdl: ask here :) |
| 11:15.15 | longshanks | kalsdmklasmdl: i think there's a linux-newbies |
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| 11:15.53 | kalsdmklasmdl | i can't delete one package |
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| 11:16.08 | kalsdmklasmdl | i tried -f and purge flags but all the same |
| 11:16.19 | kalsdmklasmdl | it's bootsplash |
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| 11:16.21 | kalsdmklasmdl | :) |
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| 11:17.31 | nkuttler | kalsdmklasmdl: what's the error? |
| 11:17.38 | arangel | I get this after upgrading woody to sarge "logcheck should not be run as root", but when I try to execute it with sudo or su I get the same thing, i also need logchek to run in a cron job, but I can't even run it manually, Can anyone help? |
| 11:17.45 | kalsdmklasmdl | can I paste more lines here? |
| 11:17.52 | nkuttler | kalsdmklasmdl: no |
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| 11:18.09 | kalsdmklasmdl | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:18.10 | nkuttler | kalsdmklasmdl: the first error |
| 11:18.18 | nkuttler | kalsdmklasmdl: that's the last |
| 11:18.24 | kalsdmklasmdl | first is |
| 11:18.24 | kalsdmklasmdl | Panzerboy |
| 11:18.27 | kalsdmklasmdl | sorry |
| 11:18.36 | kalsdmklasmdl | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:18.38 | kalsdmklasmdl | bootsplash |
| 11:18.43 | nkuttler | kalsdmklasmdl: #flood |
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| 11:19.28 | cplx | Where do I edit the list of services that boot up at startup? |
| 11:19.37 | cplx | that start, whilebooting up rather. |
| 11:19.40 | kalsdmklasmdl | i paste whole error in #flood |
| 11:20.00 | resiak | cplx: man update-rc.d |
| 11:20.13 | resiak | cplx: (or apt-get install rcconf) |
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| 11:20.47 | cplx | heers |
| 11:20.54 | cplx | cheers* |
| 11:21.06 | resiak | Figured. |
| 11:21.16 | nkuttler | kalsdmklasmdl: fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.postinst |
| 11:21.46 | kalsdmklasmdl | hm , how.. what to look for? |
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| 11:22.14 | cplx | resiak: It save automatically after I exit? |
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| 11:22.25 | resiak | cplx: RTFM, but yes. |
| 11:22.45 | resiak | cplx: Seriously, read `man update-rc.d` so you know what's going on. |
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| 11:24.34 | Coke | How come find . -name "*.c" | sed -e 's/\n/:/g' does not replace newlines with colon? |
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| 11:29.08 | ben | hello |
| 11:29.22 | ben | does anybody understand this: |
| 11:29.24 | ben | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1173) |
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| 11:31.03 | cmihai | Hahaha, saving the game in NetHack is awsome :) |
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| 11:34.59 | Morti | You can just do "lp textfile" and it prints can't you? |
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| 11:35.18 | daisuke_ | Morti: get back to work :p |
| 11:35.33 | Morti | :-P |
| 11:35.42 | Morti | daisuke_: I need to burn another iso. |
| 11:35.55 | cmihai | burn iso9001. That's always pissed me off.. |
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| 11:36.59 | mutante | in /etc/mysql/ i find "my.cnf" AND "debian.cnf". debian.cnf says "Automatically generated for Debian scripts. DO NOT TOUCH!" while my.cnf says: "# Remember to edit /etc/mysql/debian.cnf" WTF |
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| 11:37.29 | J_P | hi all |
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| 11:38.06 | cplx | I try to start apache and it fails.. where can I get an error log as to why it is failing? or anyone guess why it could be? |
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| 11:39.02 | asg | cplx: /var/log/apache/error.log |
| 11:39.16 | sep | cplx, look at /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/apache/error.log |
| 11:39.55 | cplx | cheers. |
| 11:40.51 | cplx | 'unable to get hostbyname" "HOSTNAME" |
| 11:40.51 | cplx | ? |
| 11:40.59 | asg | cplx: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 11:41.09 | asg | cplx: or edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf and fix the ServerName variable |
| 11:41.19 | cplx | ok. |
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| 11:42.04 | cplx | It's what my hostname is.. \ |
| 11:42.28 | ben | receiving file list ... rsync: link_stat "//ftp2.fr.debian.org/." failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 11:42.37 | ben | i dont understand whats the pb |
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| 11:44.03 | cplx | asg: My hostname in /etc/hostname is the same.. and it's still giving me the error :\ |
| 11:44.18 | asg | cplx: what does hostname --fqdn say |
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| 11:44.34 | cplx | hostname: unkown host |
| 11:44.35 | jm_ | /etc/hostname is not used for name resoltuion - it must also be in /etc/hosts and nsswitch.conf must be configured correctly |
| 11:44.41 | cplx | ah right . |
| 11:44.43 | asg | cplx: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 11:45.23 | gearry | I am looking for the package that contains the Gnome NetworkManager, but I can not seem to find it |
| 11:45.27 | gearry | any thoughts? |
| 11:45.41 | gearry | I am running unstable |
| 11:45.57 | jm_ | gearry: my thoughs are -- you failed to find it |
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| 11:46.10 | gearry | yes I did |
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| 11:46.27 | jm_ | what is it supposed to do? |
| 11:46.46 | gearry | basically it manages all of your network device settings |
| 11:46.52 | gearry | from the GUI |
| 11:47.00 | asg | /etc/network/interfaces for dummies? |
| 11:47.06 | gearry | yes |
| 11:47.11 | jm_ | sounds something you shouldn't use |
| 11:47.13 | gearry | I use that now |
| 11:47.32 | gearry | I disagree |
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| 11:47.52 | gearry | having a quick interface for managing various wireless connections and vpn connections would be nice |
| 11:47.55 | tarzeau | jharrison: any progress with that car sdl deb package? |
| 11:48.03 | jim | gearry: do you actually need this thing? |
| 11:48.13 | cplx | asg: say my hostname in /etc/hostname is 'C1-AU-AP1' then in /etc/hosts its C1-AU-AP1.blah.blah then in httpd.conf it's C1-AU-AP1.blah.blah |
| 11:48.15 | gearry | need, no |
| 11:48.17 | cplx | and it's still giving me the same crap |
| 11:48.30 | gearry | but I would like to evaluate it |
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| 11:48.59 | jim | have you used it before? |
| 11:49.04 | gearry | no |
| 11:49.16 | gearry | just found descriptions and a few screenshots online |
| 11:49.41 | gearry | it looks like the plan is to make it a fairly standard part of Gnome |
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| 11:50.06 | jim | standard? what does it do exactly? |
| 11:50.21 | jim | manages /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:50.23 | cplx | asg: any idea? sorry to bother you.. |
| 11:50.46 | kurtak | hello- when you're patching kernel source, is it safer to say "n" to "patch detected! Assume -R"? |
| 11:50.48 | gearry | jim: I think so |
| 11:50.53 | jim | it's just that not all platforms gnome runs on uses this file |
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| 11:52.05 | gearry | It looks like it may actually be lower level than that |
| 11:52.13 | gearry | I did not delve that deeply yet |
| 11:52.18 | jim | leaving questions like does this thing write correct configurations aside... |
| 11:52.19 | gearry | here is an overview: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/networkmanager/ |
| 11:52.39 | jim | ahh, so doesn't redhat have it? |
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| 11:52.43 | kurtak | ... and is it common (i haven't done this enough) to have a LOT of those "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!" messages? |
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| 11:52.55 | kurtak | i wouldn't think so |
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| 11:53.23 | jm_ | kurtak: it means you're trying to apply something that is already applied |
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| 11:53.28 | jim | kurtak: evidently you're either not applying the patch correctly or you are applying a patch that was already applied |
| 11:53.39 | jim | or |
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| 11:53.57 | jim | the patch you are applying contains pieces that have been already applied |
| 11:54.35 | darkness | Hi, how do i delete a program with all it's dependencies plz? |
| 11:55.10 | kurtak | jim: well, the patch wasn't applied before, i just got the source and tried to put this ck9 patch in. is it possible for the patch to be nearly completely included? |
| 11:55.15 | s-toned | "xterm -T Caption" sets the title of an xterm to Caption, but, is it possible to change the title to "man" when man is running etc.? |
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| 11:55.30 | jm_ | s-toned: yes, if man supports it |
| 11:55.54 | gearry | jim: yes, redhat and Fedora have it, but according to the article it is packaged for Debian as well |
| 11:55.57 | mwilson | Why would man need to support it? |
| 11:56.03 | jim | kurtak: according to the message you got, the patch or part of it was applied |
| 11:56.11 | gearry | I just can not seem to find the Debian package |
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| 11:56.19 | Razul | can someone help me upgrade my 1.2 gaim to 1.4 gaim |
| 11:56.26 | jm_ | to set the title to something like "man: bash" |
| 11:56.26 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 11:56.29 | jeffrin | what is a session manager |
| 11:56.31 | jim | gearry: have you mentioned its name here yet/ |
| 11:56.35 | jim | ? |
| 11:56.47 | mwilson | jm_: Yes, and why would man need to support it again? |
| 11:57.08 | jim | mwilson: see original question, reason from there |
| 11:57.13 | jm_ | mwilson: he wants that feature, not me |
| 11:57.21 | tralala | jeffrin: if you mean X session manager, it's one of the xdm, gdm, kdm |
| 11:58.11 | jim | that's not actually the session mgr, those are display mgrs |
| 11:58.12 | gearry | jim: that is the problem, I don't know the package name |
| 11:58.14 | kurtak | regardless, after make oldconfig, compilation fails when doing 'make-kpkg kernel-image'. I was hoping someone could give some insight as to where the problem might be coming from. the error given is a bunch of redefinition errors in fs/ioprio.c. e.g. "fs/ioprio.c:168: error: redefinition of `set_task_ioprio'" |
| 11:58.34 | gearry | there is no NetworkManager package that I can find |
| 11:58.36 | nkuttler | Razul: /msg dpkg pdo. if it's not there try their website |
| 11:58.43 | jim | session managers keep track of running sessions so you can suspend them and restart them later or elsewhere. |
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| 11:58.45 | gearry | I have run a bunch of searches against the package DB |
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| 11:59.07 | jeffrin | jim : name a session manager |
| 11:59.09 | jim | gnome has something it calls a session manager which does not actually do that |
| 11:59.15 | Razul | i d/led and i can get to the part where it says type in gmake install |
| 11:59.16 | gearry | maybe it is not actually packaged yet, but I found some discussion about it on a few Debian lists, so I thought it would be packaged by now |
| 11:59.17 | jim | gnome-session |
| 11:59.48 | jim | but no session mgrs in linux I have ever seen actually perform that function |
| 11:59.48 | Razul | but says its not a known command |
| 11:59.57 | nkuttler | Razul: make |
| 11:59.58 | kurtak | anyone have any hints?? |
| 12:00.04 | mwilson | jm_: You're the one who made the statement that man would have to support it. I'm trying to find out why you believe that. |
| 12:00.06 | Razul | i mean make |
| 12:00.09 | Razul | sorry |
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| 12:00.15 | Razul | been up all night |
| 12:00.18 | kurtak | as to what might fix the problem? |
| 12:00.26 | jm_ | mwilson: I won't argue with you, you're free to think whatever you want ... |
| 12:00.30 | s-toned | mwilson: I meant I wanted to have the program name, running in an xterm, displayed in the title bar of that xterm. I thought xterm was responsible for that. |
| 12:00.41 | jim | I've seen thin client setups that do |
| 12:00.47 | mwilson | s-toned: You'd be wrong. |
| 12:00.51 | liable | kurtak: you dont need to run oldconfig with kernel-package. did you make-kpkg clean? |
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| 12:01.15 | jeffrin | jim : what is gnome-smproxy |
| 12:01.21 | kurtak | liable: oh, i didn't know that. i haven't done clean yet |
| 12:01.25 | jim | s-toned: you cannot easily get that for every possible program |
| 12:01.31 | fooz | jim, xsm |
| 12:01.35 | fooz | comes with X |
| 12:01.47 | gearry | I goofed, NetworkManager is not Gnome specific |
| 12:01.48 | JJK | Razul, did you install make? apt-get install make |
| 12:01.48 | jm_ | s-toned: application can change it (you might notice that some do it, i.e. vim or mc), your shell could also do it to some extent, but it can't do it as good as the app itself |
| 12:01.49 | jim | jeffrin: see for yourself... man gnome-smproxy |
| 12:01.59 | gearry | but I still can't find it :) |
| 12:02.05 | ben | do this correct : rsync --recursive --links --hard-links --times --verbose --compress --delete http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/::debian/ /mnt/donnees/miroir/debian/ |
| 12:02.11 | kurtak | liable: b/c on all the online step-through explanations, they always do make oldconfig |
| 12:02.15 | nkuttler | Razul: and /msg dpkg faq |
| 12:02.24 | jim | gearry: first find source for it from anywhere |
| 12:02.30 | jim | then try building it |
| 12:03.07 | liable | kurtak: not with make-kpkg they dont... visit debian.org. |
| 12:03.09 | s-toned | jm_: I thought $_ could be used for that, thanks anyway |
| 12:03.11 | jim | (First satisfy build requirements, then follow build instructions) |
| 12:03.56 | jim | fooz: does it keep sessions like that? |
| 12:03.58 | jm_ | s-toned: and how would you use it? |
| 12:04.43 | kurtak | liable: holtmann does, at http://www.holtmann.org/linux/kernel/debian.html |
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| 12:04.53 | jim | s-toned: maybe $_ in the process the program is running in |
| 12:05.40 | kurtak | So, I get the same redefinition error if i do make-kpkg clean then make-kpkg kernel-image. do i have to do something with the config file, or something completely different? |
| 12:05.49 | ben | anybody know rsync ? |
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| 12:06.19 | jim | s-toned: it's kinda an interesting idea... but here's the thing: you'll slow yourself down if you make an x call for every program run in an xterm |
| 12:06.49 | jim | so do scripts you run in a terminal, every command in the script sets the title too? |
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| 12:07.05 | jim | that will slow down scripts... |
| 12:07.25 | s-toned | jim: at least I can make "xterm -e man bash" and have man in the title |
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| 12:07.54 | jim | s-toned: oh, sure, you can do that too... but you could also run xman :) |
| 12:08.18 | caphuso | or you just let the shell handle it |
| 12:08.30 | caphuso | there's some pointers in the bash prompt howto |
| 12:09.36 | jim | if you type a command line like grep foo bar | uniq | sort -nr, what should the title say? |
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| 12:09.39 | jm_ | can it do that before the command is run? if it can, then it's not a big deal |
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| 12:09.59 | jeffrin | jim : what is gnome settings daemon |
| 12:10.00 | caphuso | jm_: depends on the shell, but with anything reasonably advanced, yes |
| 12:10.11 | J_P | hi all |
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| 12:10.28 | resiak | jeffrin: It deals with GTK settings and the like. |
| 12:11.06 | s-toned | jim: I would be satisfied if it did for interactive programs (only) |
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| 12:11.49 | caphuso | s-toned: that's not going to work |
| 12:12.10 | caphuso | there's no possible way your shell could know what programs are "interactive" and what not |
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| 12:14.15 | s-toned | caphuso: I mean, I wouldn't care about grep and such programs, the display time would be much too short anyway |
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| 12:14.46 | pego | hi |
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| 12:15.15 | mg2m-Disco | hello I have a bug problem |
| 12:15.17 | caphuso | i've had grep run for several hours |
| 12:15.25 | mg2m-Disco | someone could help me |
| 12:15.27 | s-toned | ohh... |
| 12:15.36 | pego | I m looking for a good RAID IDE card for my sarge anyone have a good advice ? for 4 drive ? |
| 12:15.37 | mg2m-Disco | it s about the new debian sarge |
| 12:15.43 | tralala | !tell mg2m-Disco -about ask |
| 12:15.50 | sep | pego, 3ware!! |
| 12:15.54 | bluefox83 | so uh, the other day i was in here getting help on blocked ports, you'll never guess what was blocking my ports |
| 12:16.11 | bluefox83 | an xchat fserve script :X |
| 12:16.14 | bluefox83 | tuxserve |
| 12:17.01 | jim | oh, heh |
| 12:17.10 | pego | sep: i saw the 7605-4 that seems good. Is it well detected ? . But in France this card is hard to find :/ the Adaptec 2400A is easyer to find but .. as good ? :/ |
| 12:17.11 | cplx | Ok.. Ihave a network card inmy comp.. 3C905TX... I do lspci, it detects it.. how do i enable it? |
| 12:17.45 | bluefox83 | cplx, you must sacrifice your first born child to the network gods |
| 12:17.59 | cplx | bluefox83: hokay.. |
| 12:18.05 | bluefox83 | i'm kidding |
| 12:18.11 | cplx | haha |
| 12:18.14 | drac | cplx: Install modconf, run it, load driver for it from there. And edit /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 12:18.27 | sep | pego, the extra work is worth it imho. http://www.3ware.com/wheretobuy/europe.asp |
| 12:18.38 | tralala | cplx: modprobe 3c905 (or 3c90x) |
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| 12:19.26 | jm_ | it looks like it calls PROMPT_COMMAND after it executes it, not before, so I don't think it would really work |
| 12:19.44 | pego | sep: okay okay i ll search thisone. but those link are more for Pro :/ but i ll follow you're advice. Do you just know if this 3ware card are easy to install ? |
| 12:19.46 | jm_ | which somehow makes sense - there's little point in updating prompt before executing something |
| 12:19.53 | Morti | How do I count how many times a particular character occurs in a file? |
| 12:19.54 | pego | sep: i mean detect |
| 12:20.05 | cplx | tralala: same thing.. 'Can't locate module 3c90x/3c905 |
| 12:20.13 | xoz | cplx: place 3c905 in /etc/modules |
| 12:20.13 | sep | pego, the 3ware have drivers in linux since 2.2.* and are vell supported. only on the new 9000 series you might worry about needing a recent kernel |
| 12:21.00 | bluefox83 | Morti, grep maybe? |
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| 12:21.04 | cplx | xoz: now do modprobe? |
| 12:21.06 | sep | pego, im sure youll find someone that prefers the adaptec cards if you asked around :P it's mostly about preference i guess. but i'v used the 3wares on several boxes and are very pleased with them |
| 12:21.10 | tralala | cplx: 3c59x |
| 12:21.13 | Morti | Yeah, but how? |
| 12:21.17 | JJK | Razul, did you install make? apt-get install make |
| 12:21.24 | cplx | ok |
| 12:21.33 | pego | sep: hum okay thanks a lot for you're help sep |
| 12:21.35 | Guerin | most 3c* cards should be builtin |
| 12:21.39 | bluefox83 | grep charector foo.bar |
| 12:21.42 | pego | sep: later , good day |
| 12:21.44 | Guerin | at least they are in 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 12:21.52 | mg2m-Disco | i have a problem with auto ejection of the cdrom of debian-sarge, how can i remove this option ( i have test cdrom-detect/eject=false but it seens not to be good) |
| 12:21.59 | bluefox83 | if it's a special charector it should show you every line in which it happens |
| 12:22.13 | bluefox83 | if you want the line numers, you can always do -n |
| 12:22.50 | cplx | haha.. this is the card that conflicts with my switch.. I don't know why :\ |
| 12:22.51 | Guerin | bluefox83: character |
| 12:23.03 | mg2m-Disco | i have a problem with auto ejection of the cdrom of debian-sarge, how can i remove this option ( i have test cdrom-detect/eject=false but it seens not to be good) |
| 12:23.10 | cplx | Would anyone know why? the network card keeps loosing and link and getting it back.. etc |
| 12:23.18 | cplx | loosing link* |
| 12:23.22 | bluefox83 | Guerin, should still work right? |
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| 12:23.27 | Guerin | losing! |
| 12:23.28 | Guerin | jesus |
| 12:23.36 | Guerin | why the fuck can't anyone spell? |
| 12:23.40 | cplx | haha. losing. |
| 12:23.41 | cplx | sorry. |
| 12:23.58 | jm_ | Guerin: because this is #debain! |
| 12:24.04 | sep | cplx, incompatibilities in autoneg between asci manufacurers or simply a bad cable/connector, |
| 12:24.07 | liable | english nazi :P |
| 12:24.09 | Anthro | I have a zip file that, stupidly, has (only) a zip file within it. I'd like to unzip it in one command/pipe. I can do funzip foo.zip | funzip, but that loses the filename(s) contained in the inner zip file. It seems that I can't look at the contents of the inner zip file without unzipping the outer file, which defeats the purpose. Is there any way to get unzip to take its stdin as the zip archive? Part of the problem seems to be that zipfile cont |
| 12:24.09 | Guerin | jm_: you're so rite! |
| 12:24.10 | Anthro | ents are stored at the end of the archive, rather than in a header. |
| 12:24.22 | Guerin | liable: oxy moron |
| 12:24.23 | greycat | there are ents! |
| 12:24.28 | bluefox83 | because i can't get every single word i spell wrong into the xchat auto replace db :P |
| 12:24.38 | cplx | sep: It only does it with these nic's.. must be the manufacturers.. |
| 12:24.39 | cplx | sad |
| 12:24.39 | sep | cplx, try different cable, if that fail, try forcing 100/full on both card and switch, or simply replace the nic with something else |
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| 12:24.56 | Anthro | greycat: Hmph. Wouldn't it be nice if xchat would split messages on word boundaries? |
| 12:24.56 | mg2m-Disco | i have a problem with auto ejection of the cdrom of debian-sarge, how can i remove this option ( i have test cdrom-detect/eject=false but it seens not to be good) |
| 12:25.06 | cplx | sep: replaced the cable already.. |
| 12:25.08 | arno | is there a command to restart all my services without having to restart the server itself? |
| 12:25.17 | sep | cplx, minor autoneg difficulities have not been uncommon especialy on cisco gear |
| 12:25.33 | greycat | Anthro: at least it splits messages at all, instead of letting the ircd truncate |
| 12:25.40 | liable | Guerin: :D gah, yes, of course.... forgive me for the lag. |
| 12:25.43 | Anthro | greycat: True. |
| 12:26.03 | tralala | mg2m-Disco: you mean your cd is auto ejected on umount? |
| 12:26.16 | sep | arno, you can restart them manuyally one by one, but if your going to take them all anyway then a reboot dosnt hurt. |
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| 12:26.34 | arno | sep, it does when its a production server |
| 12:26.37 | mg2m-Disco | no when i install sarge |
| 12:26.45 | arno | sep, thanks anyway |
| 12:26.52 | mg2m-Disco | at the end the cd is eject |
| 12:27.07 | sep | arno, in /etc/rc2.d all the files with S restart those |
| 12:27.24 | arno | ok thx |
| 12:27.41 | DA_ | hey i just installed debian from the netinstall disc and switched over to unstable (yes im crazy), anyway i did my apt-get dist-upgrade and now seems like every package i try to install apt-get says the authenticity couldnt be verified, whats that about? |
| 12:27.53 | tralala | mg2m-Disco: and why is this a problem? |
| 12:28.15 | mg2m-Disco | because i m not near the server so i can't use my cdrom now |
| 12:28.21 | jharrisonwk | anyone know whats going on with branden robinson's wife? |
| 12:28.46 | jm_ | mgm2;mount it and it will reload it |
| 12:28.46 | xoz | the problem with english spelling is that the rules of spelling are not consistent. |
| 12:28.49 | bluefox83 | who? O.o |
| 12:28.53 | jm_ | mg2m-Disco see above |
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| 12:29.04 | sep | mg2m-Disco, install eject it can close the tray again for you |
| 12:29.05 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: he explained it here yesterday |
| 12:29.25 | jharrisonwk | jm_: well I missed it |
| 12:29.47 | greycat | jm_: not everyone camps here 24/7 |
| 12:29.54 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: well I don't want to speak for him |
| 12:29.56 | mg2m-Disco | my cdrom is open |
| 12:30.07 | tralala | eject -t will close it |
| 12:30.09 | mg2m-Disco | and i can't mount it |
| 12:30.23 | jharrisonwk | jm_: what is his nick? |
| 12:30.23 | greycat | mg2m-Disco: man eject |
| 12:30.32 | gogo_ | i have to may connection how can i find this user who creates a lot of conction i don't faind any clue in logs thnaks |
| 12:30.38 | mg2m-Disco | no because it's a slim cdrom as in a portable * |
| 12:30.49 | mg2m-Disco | so i can't eject -t |
| 12:31.08 | ghetto | ;-) |
| 12:31.16 | bluefox83 | it's a usb cdrom? |
| 12:31.26 | tralala | too bad, you cant stop the installer from ejecting it afaik |
| 12:31.27 | mg2m-Disco | no ide |
| 12:31.38 | bluefox83 | then try it anyways and see what happens |
| 12:32.01 | jm_ | ahh those annoying cd-rom drives :) |
| 12:32.04 | sep | bluefox83, rack servers often have those laptop cdroms and eject -t dont work on those |
| 12:32.11 | bluefox83 | ah |
| 12:32.15 | DA_ | uhhh.... im getting segfaults left and right wtf i ran apt-get and it seg faulted... |
| 12:32.28 | mg2m-Disco | yes sep |
| 12:32.31 | bluefox83 | and he's nowhere near the system? |
| 12:32.33 | mg2m-Disco | it's that |
| 12:32.35 | saloxin | DA_: warm system? |
| 12:32.47 | DA_ | probably.... |
| 12:32.57 | mg2m-Disco | yes the server is in a datacenter in paris |
| 12:33.14 | mg2m-Disco | and it's a laptop cdrom |
| 12:33.15 | gogo_ | there is a list of proces historu? |
| 12:33.29 | DA_ | heatsink is cool to the touch... hd is average |
| 12:33.31 | mg2m-Disco | so i can't mount it after installation |
| 12:33.31 | Anthro | mg2m-Disco: How did you get the CD into it in the first place? |
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| 12:33.51 | mg2m-Disco | i put the cd in |
| 12:33.52 | asad2k5 | sox: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device |
| 12:34.02 | DA_ | and kjournald just exited... great |
| 12:34.03 | gogo_ | any tools for check the history of proces |
| 12:34.06 | asad2k5 | I have Gnome-Alsamixer |
| 12:34.25 | sep | mg2m-Disco, and now you want to reinstall ? |
| 12:34.31 | asad2k5 | how can I solve this problem |
| 12:34.34 | mg2m-Disco | yes |
| 12:34.36 | sep | mg2m-Disco, you must pay someone to go and push it back in then |
| 12:35.28 | mg2m-Disco | with woody we could add |
| 12:35.47 | mg2m-Disco | "cdrom-detect/eject=false" in the isolinux.cfg |
| 12:36.02 | mg2m-Disco | but now we can't |
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| 12:36.18 | mg2m-Disco | there are probably an over solution |
| 12:36.34 | mg2m-Disco | (sorry for my english) |
| 12:36.51 | jm_ | mg2m-Disco: maybe ask in #debian-boot if it's possible |
| 12:36.52 | sep | mg2m-Disco, ask in #debian-boot they know a lot more about the innards of the installer, |
| 12:36.57 | sep | !beer jm_ |
| 12:37.02 | jm_ | hehe |
| 12:37.07 | mg2m-Disco | ok |
| 12:37.09 | mg2m-Disco | thanks |
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| 12:38.28 | catarina842002 | hii |
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| 12:38.40 | Xen1th | Hey i have installed ubuntu and dual booting on this pc but everytime i go start it once i have typed in username and passoword no matter what i select it just freezez, nothing works i have to yank power cable, i can get to the rescue terminal thingy tho, is their anything or any command type thing i could type their that basically kills ubuntu completely and so i could try installing agen? |
| 12:38.49 | greycat | so? ask #ubuntu. |
| 12:39.00 | jharrisonwk | sure glad hurricane dennis seems to be moving to the west |
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| 12:39.34 | jharrisonwk | we got hit last year so this year we should get skipped |
| 12:39.36 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 12:40.18 | Anthro | Does anyone know how large the zip footer is at the end of a zip file? |
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| 12:43.32 | jm_ | Anthro: doesn't it depend on the contents? |
| 12:43.56 | asad2k5 | sox: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device , I have alsa installed |
| 12:44.42 | asad2k5 | how can i unload OSS driver |
| 12:45.59 | greycat | wrong question. why are you using sox? |
| 12:46.22 | greycat | and if you do need to use an OSS program, why aren't you using the ALSA-OSS compatibility module? |
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| 12:49.12 | kombi_ | what does 2>&1 mean again? |
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| 12:49.45 | tralala | stderr -> stdout |
| 12:49.59 | DA_ | dunno what the hell that was all about... getting seg faults and stack dumps every 5 secs... seems to be alright now though |
| 12:50.00 | kombi_ | tralala: thanks! |
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| 12:50.44 | Toastie_ | If I'm Ethernet-connected to my ADSL modem, and make a PPTP connection to my ISP thru it... |
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| 12:51.03 | Toastie_ | and then I sent a packet to "www.yahoo.com", how does Yahoo know what's the largest packet it can reply me with? |
| 12:51.23 | triny | hello, do you only speak english? |
| 12:51.42 | wam | is there a logical error when umounting filesystems on lvm? If the /dev/ lays on a lvm-device, I have a problem: When I umount /, I can't release the lvm's, because /dev is missing too. But when I release the lvm, I obviously can't umount / cleanly. So how can this be done clean? WITH having / on a lvm? |
| 12:51.48 | streuner | !de |
| 12:51.49 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 12:51.57 | masoft | triny, yes ! |
| 12:52.20 | masoft | triny, which language do you want to speak ? |
| 12:52.33 | triny | german :) |
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| 12:52.46 | masoft | triny, so try this channel #debian.de |
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| 12:52.58 | triny | yes, i have seen |
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| 12:53.00 | triny | thx |
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| 12:53.56 | masoft | is there anyone from Ukraine here ? |
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| 12:55.54 | ledet | masoft: probably... but this is not a dating channel |
| 12:56.00 | WhyDuck | i am your neighbour form poland :P |
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| 12:56.15 | ledet | masoft: :) |
| 12:56.55 | WhyDuck | you've just opened our graveplace so i am friendly :P |
| 12:57.08 | ledet | masoft: i dont want to date you... dont write me personal messages! |
| 12:57.31 | masoft | ledet, I need a Debian user from Ukraine !!! it's why I asked here :P |
| 12:57.37 | DA_ | lol |
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| 12:58.12 | tralala | are the debian users from Ukraine different than the debian users from elsewhere? |
| 12:58.28 | ledet | masoft: then why didnt you just ask "I need a debian user from ukraine? I will pay him/her $200 to fix my uncles broken down chrysler pt cruiser"... or whatever... |
| 12:58.31 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 12:58.32 | dpkg | tralala: wenas who uses dvd lol |
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| 12:59.00 | masoft | tralala, yes ! they have some information about Ukraine that you don't :P |
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| 12:59.08 | ledet | tralala: he doesnt want a long distance debian relationship :) |
| 12:59.16 | tralala | ledet: hahaha :) |
| 12:59.51 | Garp | ledet: if the ping is good enouogh, even a distant relationship can be ok |
| 13:00.04 | tralala | masoft: there will be probably some LUG or DUG or whatever in Ukraine and google will surely know about it |
| 13:00.10 | ledet | Garp: better than nothing probably :) |
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| 13:01.01 | kaktos | help me with debian installation |
| 13:01.06 | kaktos | help me with debian installation T_T |
| 13:01.12 | spamalope | no |
| 13:01.14 | ledet | kaktos: ok |
| 13:01.19 | masoft | kaktos, what's your problem ? |
| 13:01.20 | ledet | kaktos: i have helped you now |
| 13:01.28 | greycat | !tell kaktos about install sarge |
| 13:01.34 | ledet | kaktos: plz to be sendink dollahs! |
| 13:01.46 | kaktos | ledet: weeeeeeeee, i have the netinstall cd |
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| 13:01.58 | kaktos | which i dled from teh site and burnnt on cd |
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| 13:02.03 | ledet | kaktos: insert disk... boot... install... |
| 13:02.05 | masoft | kaktos, ok, what's wrong with it ? |
| 13:02.17 | kaktos | i am having problem when i try to use apt-get to get packages on ftp |
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| 13:02.25 | greycat | so use HTTP. |
| 13:02.28 | greycat | like god intended. |
| 13:02.35 | ledet | mmm... god... |
| 13:02.37 | kaktos | both, the problem is i cant connect to net |
| 13:02.45 | masoft | kaktos, from internet or local network ? |
| 13:02.53 | kaktos | internet |
| 13:02.54 | greycat | good thing you told us all the details of your network setup! |
| 13:02.59 | ledet | kaktos: and youre sure that apt actually tried to get packages from the net? |
| 13:03.06 | kaktos | ledet: i am |
| 13:03.11 | kaktos | look |
| 13:03.12 | masoft | kaktos, what is you internet service ? DSL ? |
| 13:03.24 | ledet | kaktos: so... why did your network break? it worked during the install? |
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| 13:03.27 | kaktos | my adsl needs authentication |
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| 13:03.56 | kaktos | when i use ./pppoeconfig |
| 13:04.02 | kaktos | it doesnt authenticate |
| 13:04.10 | masoft | kaktos, ok, you can set ppp and pppoe/a then use apt |
| 13:04.12 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 13:04.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 13:04.29 | greycat | kaktos: read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/* and so on. |
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| 13:04.40 | kaktos | i tried.. im only more confused now |
| 13:04.51 | kaktos | i only have to connect to my net provider |
| 13:04.58 | kaktos | but without Lynx i cant |
| 13:05.01 | tdonahue | good morning all, can anyone point me toward an application that will allow me to put a 10 second pause between each loop in a bash script |
| 13:05.03 | tralala | kaktos: google pppoe howto, adsl howto, network howto, etc |
| 13:05.04 | kaktos | how do i authenticate? |
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| 13:05.11 | greycat | you USE A WEB BROWSER TO AUTHENTICATE?!? |
| 13:05.12 | ttz | hi there |
| 13:05.14 | greycat | !pal kaktos's ISP |
| 13:05.18 | masoft | kaktos, can you connect with lynx ? |
| 13:05.18 | kaktos | i wouldnt try mirc without trying google^^ |
| 13:05.21 | ledet | tdonahue: perl -e 'sleep 10' |
| 13:05.22 | ledet | tdonahue: :) |
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| 13:05.33 | s-toned | tdonahue: sleep 10 |
| 13:05.42 | kaktos | dpkg: with lynx i wuld acces the page i use for authentication |
| 13:05.51 | kaktos | with lynx i wuld acces the page i use for authentication |
| 13:06.03 | tdonahue | ledet, thanks i think that will do it |
| 13:06.04 | greycat | kaktos: so you need an installation that has lynx in it? get full ISO image #1 instead of the net install. |
| 13:06.12 | kaktos | man, worst than windows, im using my sister's mirc script =/ |
| 13:06.18 | greycat | kaktos: then install lynx from CD before connecting to the network for the rest. |
| 13:06.29 | ledet | tdonahue: bash has sleep to i think... |
| 13:06.33 | kaktos | i cant, i have no cd burner |
| 13:06.33 | ledet | tdonahue: too |
| 13:06.34 | masoft | kaktos, what's your ADSL Modem ? some of theme do auth. for you ;) |
| 13:06.36 | ttz | Has anyone been interested in iproute2, especially multiple routing tables ? I believe to remember there is a patch to increase the number of routing tables from 256 to 4096, or something like this, but I can't find the patch. Any help appreciated, thanks. |
| 13:06.44 | greycat | kaktos: alternatively, since you obviously have internet access RIGHT NOW, download the lynx .deb and all its dependencies, put them on media that your debian box can read, and install them by hand. |
| 13:07.27 | tdonahue | ledet, if it is a bash builtin function then they really should document it in the man page... I couldn't find it in there |
| 13:07.31 | kaktos | i tried.. but i cant remeber how to mount properly the windows partition |
| 13:07.41 | kaktos | acctualy im on my 3rd week on linux |
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| 13:07.48 | bumi | hey guys |
| 13:07.53 | bumi | anyone here have an ITX board? |
| 13:07.55 | kaktos | i used kanoppix till get used to some commands |
| 13:08.05 | tralala | tdonahue: it is. help sleep |
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| 13:08.13 | kombi_ | can you send an email attachment from command line? |
| 13:08.15 | masoft | kaktos, it could be like : mkdir /mnt/c && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/c |
| 13:08.18 | greycat | kombi_: yes. |
| 13:08.20 | caphuso | kombi_: use mutt |
| 13:08.27 | kombi_ | thanks! |
| 13:08.32 | greycat | awww, caphuso's so soft. |
| 13:08.33 | kaktos | NOOOOO lynx doesnt run linux 3.1!!!!! |
| 13:08.43 | greycat | kaktos: your brain is misfiring. |
| 13:08.48 | caphuso | greycat: you should have seen the last moron i told that... |
| 13:08.50 | kaktos | sure.... |
| 13:08.52 | tralala | tdonahue: also GNU software uses info pages and the man pages are quite outdated and modest |
| 13:08.54 | ledet | kaktos: kapchiiing! |
| 13:09.02 | greycat | !info lynx sarge |
| 13:09.08 | dpkg | lynx: (Text-mode WWW Browser), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8.5-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1811 kB, Installed size: 4580 kB |
| 13:09.10 | ledet | kaktos: i didnt know there was a linux 3.1 |
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| 13:09.12 | greycat | !depends lynx sarge |
| 13:09.14 | tralala | tdonahue: in other words info bash about real manuals |
| 13:09.16 | dpkg | lynx: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 13:09.19 | kaktos | yep there is |
| 13:09.22 | greycat | have fun. |
| 13:09.23 | ledet | kaktos: i must have been frozen for a couple of years... |
| 13:09.30 | pete_ | Are there any free alternatives to exceed? |
| 13:09.33 | tdonahue | tralala, it is not documented in help or in the man page.. help output for `help sleep` "bash: help: no help topics match `sleep'. Try `help help' or `man -k sleep' or `info sleep'." |
| 13:09.36 | ledet | kaktos: i thought the newest linux was 2.6.12 |
| 13:09.42 | greycat | pete_: I think cygwin |
| 13:09.48 | caphuso | oh, it was Gnea |
| 13:09.55 | kaktos | ledet: no, there is the 3.1, which one doesnt allow lynx to run |
| 13:10.09 | deckrider | hi, when using svn-upgrade, it seems that I first need to checkout not just the trunk, but all the branches/tags/trunk associated with an earlier svn-inject. Is this true, or am I confused? |
| 13:10.10 | Coke | kaktos: I have never heard of a 3.1 |
| 13:10.13 | kaktos | ok, could u hhelp me step by step? |
| 13:10.20 | ledet | kaktos: well, maybe it runs a lynx from the future... start up your time machine again and get that version |
| 13:10.22 | pete_ | greycat: ahh, oki. |
| 13:10.23 | Coke | kaktos: and why would the kernel care about lynx, it just runs processes. |
| 13:10.27 | asuffield | what's exceed? |
| 13:10.28 | tralala | tdonahue: ok, it's not a builtin then - it's an external program |
| 13:10.41 | jethro | !irritate ttz |
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| 13:10.42 | dpkg | ttz: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
| 13:10.46 | greycat | asuffield: windows X server |
| 13:10.50 | caphuso | 02:17 caphuso> Gnea: use mutt 02:17 Gnea> caphuso: needs to be non-interactive. 02:17 caphuso> Gnea: use mutt 02:17 Gnea> caphuso: needs to be non-interactive. 02:17 caphuso> Gnea: dumbfuck. use mutt |
| 13:10.51 | asuffield | definitely cygwin |
| 13:10.51 | kaktos | i just made a mistake sorry... lynx doesnt run WINDOWS 3.1 :P |
| 13:10.51 | pete_ | Does anyone use exceed?/reflectionX is it worth paying for? |
| 13:10.51 | greycat | asuffield: commercial/proprietary |
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| 13:11.09 | asuffield | with the right arguments, cygwin X is seamless |
| 13:11.15 | Coke | caphuso: hehe |
| 13:11.17 | asuffield | it's almost as good as using a real workstation |
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| 13:11.23 | tarzeau | DrPete: i've used it, i woulnd't pay for it though |
| 13:11.23 | ledet | kaktos: lol... windows 3.11... haha! |
| 13:11.33 | kaktos | sorry |
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| 13:11.42 | DrPete | tarzeau: eh, oki then |
| 13:11.49 | ledet | kaktos: why would you run lynx on windows 3.11 anyway? |
| 13:11.51 | kaktos | would somebody pm me and help me step by step? |
| 13:11.53 | tralala | !pal kaktos |
| 13:12.01 | Coke | kaktos: this is #debian, not #windows |
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| 13:12.09 | jethro | !handhold kaktos |
| 13:12.10 | kaktos | i know^^ i red wrong |
| 13:12.24 | Coke | !lart kaktos |
| 13:12.24 | kaktos | hope so T_T |
| 13:12.33 | ledet | kaktos: greycat kaktos: alternatively, since you obviously have internet access RIGHT NOW, download the lynx .deb and all its dependencies, put them on media that your debian box can read, and install them by hand. |
| 13:13.04 | ledet | kaktos: that means: download lynx... put it on floppy... boot into debian... install the bitch |
| 13:13.04 | tralala | or better yet (also suggested by greycat) download the whole #1 iso |
| 13:13.05 | Coke | ledet: he said lynx wouldn't run in Windows 3.1, what does that have to do with Debian? |
| 13:13.14 | kaktos | acctualy i'd like to go through the installer |
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| 13:13.31 | tarzeau | Coke: there exist also lynx for debian |
| 13:13.32 | tralala | !d-i kaktos |
| 13:13.33 | dpkg | kaktos, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:13.35 | ledet | Coke: i dont know... i havent smoked crack today... yet... so i'm not on the same level as kaktos |
| 13:13.42 | kaktos | Coke. i was thinking it doesnt run on Linux 3.1, which doesnt even exist |
| 13:13.50 | ttz | bye there |
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| 13:14.21 | s-toned | tdonahue: sleep --help (apt-get install coreutils) |
| 13:14.48 | Coke | kaktos: download the Debian stable net installation and just answer the questions until it says "Congratulations, Debian is installed!" |
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| 13:15.10 | DA_ | i just manually copied all the files from a .deb into their appropriate locations as dpkg failed to install it... whats the filename that holds the list of installed packages? |
| 13:15.26 | tarzeau | DA_: dpkg -L package |
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| 13:15.37 | kaktos | Coke: the problem is, at the step installation tries to connect to net and use apt-get, it cant, coz i have to go through authentication |
| 13:15.38 | jm_ | DA_: man dpkg |
| 13:15.48 | Coke | tarzeau: no, he wants the stuf in /var |
| 13:15.48 | tdonahue | s-toned, thanks, perl gets the job done for now though... i was just trying to slow down a bunch of CVS updates to be nice to the server owner |
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| 13:16.07 | tralala | Coke: no, he doesn't |
| 13:16.16 | slushpupie | is there an equivalent to the Irix chkconfig command in debian? |
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| 13:16.23 | tarzeau | slushpupie: no |
| 13:16.26 | jm_ | slushpupie: update-rc.d |
| 13:16.28 | liable | DA_: /usr/lib/dpkg/status |
| 13:16.28 | steve | hi all |
| 13:16.29 | tralala | !redhat tools |
| 13:16.35 | steve | after ~4 hours of uptime with bridging enabled on 2 NICs, the system freezes without any error messages... any ideas? |
| 13:16.37 | DA_ | liable: thanks |
| 13:16.39 | tralala | !redhat utils |
| 13:16.43 | tralala | bah |
| 13:16.46 | Coke | tralala: you see, that's what he wanted |
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| 13:17.17 | slushpupie | jm_: update-rc.d only updates things, I want to see whats set up |
| 13:17.24 | tralala | Coke: no, it's not |
| 13:17.27 | Coke | liable & DA_ isn't it /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 13:17.27 | jm_ | slushpupie: sysv-rc-conf |
| 13:17.34 | kaktos | okok, would somebody give a step-by-step guide about apt-get during the install |
| 13:17.40 | Coke | tralala: I think it is. |
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| 13:17.58 | slushpupie | jm_: I dont know where that command is.. |
| 13:18.23 | steve | slushpupie: which sysv-rc-conf |
| 13:18.25 | liable | Coke: erm, quite possibly... |
| 13:18.40 | slushpupie | steve: I dont have it |
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| 13:19.19 | Coke | DA_: check the Status line in /var/lib/dpkg/status, it should say "install ok installed" if the package is installed. |
| 13:19.31 | jm_ | slushpupie: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:20.05 | slushpupie | jm_: ok- so its an aditional package. Nothing in a base install that would do that? |
| 13:20.34 | jm_ | slushpupie: correct |
| 13:20.40 | jm_ | slushpupie: well ls |
| 13:21.23 | J_P | people, i do dpkg-reconfigure mantis, and change language and other confs, i restart apache too and not change configuration yet.. i need do some think after dpkg-reconfigure package ? |
| 13:21.37 | slushpupie | jm_: thanks |
| 13:21.38 | greycat | slushpupie: ls /etc/rc[S2].d |
| 13:21.58 | slushpupie | greycat: I know how to do it by hand, Im trying to modify a script that was written for Irix |
| 13:22.07 | tralala | slushpupie: /msg dpkg red hat tools |
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| 13:24.21 | amorph | hi guys |
| 13:24.53 | amorph | can CD's burned on Nautilus by read in Windows? |
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| 13:24.59 | amorph | *be |
| 13:25.10 | greycat | if you burn a standard ISO 9660 data CD, windows can read it. |
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| 13:25.19 | amorph | ok |
| 13:25.25 | greycat | Windows likes it even more if you burn with Joliet filename extensions |
| 13:25.27 | eoeoe | how i do to kde autoplay audio cds when i insert one in the cd drive ? |
| 13:25.33 | amorph | hehe |
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| 13:25.39 | ethics | hi all, i have apache2 installed, do i need to be in a specific group to edit the default website? or will i need to configure a new site? im just looking to know what the default config is like |
| 13:25.43 | greycat | eoeoe: ask #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 13:25.48 | nvz | eoeoe: try #kde |
| 13:25.54 | greycat | ethics: ls -ld /var/www |
| 13:26.19 | greycat | ethics: it's normally recommended that you actually take control over the configuration of your security, rather than staying with the "defaults" in /var/www |
| 13:26.31 | cyrille_ | hi. is there any unix command to get the lines 1000 to 2000 of a given file? |
| 13:26.35 | J_P | dpkg-reconfigure mantis not save configuration ? |
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| 13:26.40 | greycat | cyrille_: sed -n 1000,2000p <file |
| 13:26.50 | ethics | greycat: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2005-06-24 03:27 /var/www |
| 13:26.56 | wam | cyrille_: head -2000|tail -1000 ;) |
| 13:27.00 | ethics | greycat cool to the doco i go 8) |
| 13:27.05 | cyrille_ | greycat, thx |
| 13:27.05 | greycat | ethics: make a new group, add users to it, chgrp, chmod 775 (or make subdirs, etc.) |
| 13:27.20 | nvz | I can't remember what I was going to do |
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| 13:27.31 | nvz | oh yeah.. |
| 13:27.40 | J_P | exist other command for resoncifure one package and save configuration alternative at dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 13:27.51 | ethics | greycat cool thx helps me alot 8) php is a mod rather than default to i think yah? ill find out im sure |
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| 13:28.38 | drac | J_P: Could you reprase that? |
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| 13:28.52 | eoeoe | greycat e nvz ok, ok.... |
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| 13:29.41 | claudio_ | drac: s/resoncifure/reconfigure/ i think |
| 13:30.04 | jetx | i think he wants to reconfigure a package and be able to save an alternative config. |
| 13:30.45 | drac | hmm or maybe he wants update-alternatives.. |
| 13:30.51 | J_P | drac I install mantis via apt-get, then after finish install dialogs open to configure, but i forget choice my correct language. Then after I do dpk-reconfigure mantis and configure ok my native language. Then I restart apache too and open my firefozx client and go to http://192.168.0.205/mantis/ but confs i do with dpkg-reconfigure mantis not are efective, yet are incorrect language. |
| 13:30.53 | greycat | maybe he wants "vi foo.conf" |
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| 13:31.23 | J_P | s dpk-reconfigure/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:31.44 | greycat | !info mantis |
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| 13:31.49 | dpkg | mantis: (web-based bug tracking system), section web, is optional. Version: 0.19.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 873 kB, Installed size: 4640 kB |
| 13:31.56 | jetx | --force-confmiss maybe? bsom (beat shit outta me) |
| 13:32.03 | nichos | hi all, i just saw my CPU was pegged, and famd was running. I know what it is, but why was it running? |
| 13:32.11 | J_P | jetx: is for me ? |
| 13:32.21 | ethics | nichos gnome ? |
| 13:32.30 | jetx | J_P: just a guess, might be totally wrong... |
| 13:32.36 | jetx | wild crazy guess |
| 13:32.38 | J_P | drac is problem with dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 13:32.47 | nichos | ethics oh, maybe I don't know what it is:) I was running some gtk2 apps yesterday, maybe that was it |
| 13:32.52 | jetx | why does the File Alteration Monitor run... no telling |
| 13:33.10 | ethics | nichos: i think nautilus/Gnome-volume-manage maybee? |
| 13:33.12 | drac | J_P: did you edit the config by hand, before dpkg-reconfiguring it? |
| 13:33.16 | nvz | nichos: its a file alteration monitor, runs usually when you open a filemanager |
| 13:33.21 | drac | J_P: if you did.. dpkg-reconfigure stops working |
| 13:33.55 | nichos | cool, thanks for the help guys |
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| 13:34.11 | J_P | drac, yes, but for me test if dpkg-reconfigure are working i do apt-get remove mantis --purge, and apt-get install mantis agaim |
| 13:34.32 | greycat | yeah, I guess learning how to run your own chosen software is too hard. |
| 13:34.35 | J_P | drac and do equal process, i forget language and after try reconfigure |
| 13:34.40 | ethics | oh just to confirm....gnome 2.10 nautilus in unstable has broken packages atm?...it looks like it and if so cool just making sure im not doing something like pointing at a broken mirror |
| 13:34.42 | greycat | we should all just purge everything and then reinstall it to get back the defaults |
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| 13:35.01 | greycat | !btssmite ethics |
| 13:35.03 | J_P | drac or i need remove some think for dpkg-reconfire forget i config by hand ? |
| 13:35.33 | ethics | greycat: yah i know but dialup sucks to multitask, sometimes the anwer yes/no isnt to much hehe |
| 13:35.58 | greycat | sometimes the answer is "why the fuck would you run *gnome*?" |
| 13:36.08 | liable | jm_: I dont think rsync actually saved me any time at all in the end... |
| 13:36.27 | ethics | greycat, also true hehe i tend to swap around a bit ... |
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| 13:37.44 | ethics | greycat, whats your WM of choice atm ? |
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| 13:38.07 | Zukero | hello |
| 13:38.12 | J_P | drac some idea ? |
| 13:38.23 | tralala | bash in tty[0-9] I guess |
| 13:38.26 | tralala | :) |
| 13:38.43 | Zukero | is it possible to set different language for each user in gnome ??? |
| 13:38.54 | jm_ | liable: hmm? did I mention rsync lately? |
| 13:38.56 | drac | J_P: None. Since I don't get what you are saying. Purging, and reinstalling should work, AFAIK. |
| 13:38.57 | tralala | Zukero: it must be |
| 13:39.13 | J_P | Drac ok |
| 13:39.22 | Zukero | yeah, the real question was : how ? |
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| 13:39.43 | liable | jm_: couple hours ago... (me on dial up) |
| 13:39.49 | tralala | the real answer is #gnome should know |
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| 13:39.53 | jm_ | liable: no way, must have been someone else |
| 13:40.08 | Zukero | ok |
| 13:40.51 | liable | jm_: hmm, ok. |
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| 13:41.14 | jamey3 | I want to set up an FTP with virtual hosting on my Debian Sarge machine. What's the best way to go about this? |
| 13:41.41 | stouse1 | jamey3: I believe ProFTPd supports that right out of the box. |
| 13:41.53 | greycat | uh, FTP has no provisions for name-nased virtual hosting. |
| 13:41.55 | stouse1 | jamey3: google for proftpd virtual host |
| 13:41.59 | greycat | *-based |
| 13:41.59 | ledet | jamey3: a lot of ftpds do that |
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| 13:42.05 | stew | jamey3: its, of course best to not use ftp at all |
| 13:42.06 | J_P | Drac not exist one file for my say for dpkg-reconfigure forget where i config by hand ? |
| 13:42.06 | stouse1 | greycat: IP-based, I think |
| 13:42.33 | liable | jm_: yeah, sorry, wrong person.. |
| 13:42.37 | afaict | I dont remember the package name. Whats the package to install gcc, libraries ... to let me install any source code .tar.gz application ?? |
| 13:42.44 | jm_ | !b-e |
| 13:42.45 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 13:42.45 | greycat | *any* source? |
| 13:42.51 | greycat | there's no such package to compile *any* source. |
| 13:42.55 | greycat | every single tarball is unique. |
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| 13:43.08 | stew | i have 2 identical ones actually |
| 13:43.10 | greycat | build-essential will let you compile "hello, world" |
| 13:43.16 | stouset | stew: impressive |
| 13:43.18 | J_P | greycat: you know about that ? |
| 13:43.24 | afaict | greycat, build-essential is fine |
| 13:43.31 | jamey3 | okay everyone what should I use instead of FTP? I have the lighttpd web server running, with name-based virtual hosting. I need a way for my users to upload stuff. |
| 13:43.45 | stew | jamey3: sftp / scp |
| 13:43.51 | afaict | greycat, it what I asked for. |
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| 13:44.01 | afaict | thanks dpkg bot. :I* |
| 13:44.05 | afaict | :* dpkg |
| 13:44.19 | stouset | jamey3: That can be done over HTTP, can it not? You might need to run Apache or some other heavier web server to accomplish it, though. |
| 13:44.21 | resiak | Why on earth is ipw2200 loading despite being blacklisted? |
| 13:44.38 | greycat | blacklist it *harder*! |
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| 13:45.31 | tralala | resiak: aliased? |
| 13:45.47 | stouset | resiak: Political power? |
| 13:45.54 | tralala | init.d-ed? |
| 13:45.58 | jamey3 | stouset: lighttpd would cope fine. (It outperforms Apache on many counts, by the way.) I would use PHP to provide file uploading though. |
| 13:46.02 | tralala | modules-ed? |
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| 13:46.13 | stouset | jamey3: I meant without having to use any PHP. |
| 13:46.15 | tralala | there are some options |
| 13:46.18 | stouset | You know, I think I'm about to stab someone from FDN. |
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| 13:46.26 | GlenneMannen | I did an apt-get install imp3 and when I have setup the apache and try to get into it it says that the login doesn't exist.. how do I add users in that one.. it uses mysql database |
| 13:46.27 | stouset | Completely fucking worthless piece of crap their Business DSL service is. |
| 13:46.28 | jamey3 | stouset: I see.. |
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| 13:46.48 | jamey3 | stew: Which of the two -- scp/sftp -- would you recommend? And how can I setup one on Debian with name-based virtual hosting? |
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| 13:47.02 | greycat | jamey3: the end users can use either one. |
| 13:47.09 | greycat | jamey3: the sshd service provides both |
| 13:47.11 | stouset | And I've been on the phone with them for a half hour getting the "all representatives are busy" message. Now that I think about it, I've never actually been able to get through to their customer support line. |
| 13:47.22 | resiak | tralala: I wish, but grep -ir ipw2200 /etc says it's only mentioned in the hotplug blacklist |
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| 13:47.35 | stouset | resiak: Can you find out when it gets loaded? |
| 13:47.38 | longshanks | jamey3: you could always use GET/POST methods to upload data via http through https via forms (via ad infinitumm) |
| 13:47.41 | jamey3 | greycat: Ah, I see |
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| 13:47.51 | stouset | resiak: It might be something like it's blacklisted in hotplug, but not by discover, or something similar. |
| 13:47.52 | longshanks | phew dat was a mouthful |
| 13:47.54 | Althaser | LinuX has a register of uptimes machine ?? |
| 13:48.08 | longshanks | Althaser: a vanity machine you mean ? |
| 13:48.21 | resiak | stouset: And that'll be _exactly_ what the problem is. Thank you. |
| 13:48.27 | stouset | resiak: :-) |
| 13:48.31 | jamey3 | longshanks: but is it as "nice" as FTP? I mean my users want "drag-and-drop" sorta uploading. |
| 13:48.32 | greycat | Althaser: it wouldn't be very useful, since the uptime rolls over in less than a year and a half in the best case. |
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| 13:48.45 | greycat | jamey3: winsscp |
| 13:48.48 | greycat | jamey3: winscp |
| 13:48.54 | stouset | resiak: I wonder myself why both packages are installed by default. Makes a lot of things more confusing :-) |
| 13:49.07 | resiak | stouset: If you feel like helping me figure out why ifrename appears to be doing very little, while we're on the subject of networking... ;) |
| 13:49.07 | jamey3 | greycat: I already have the sshd installed on the server, I'm using it right now to admin it! |
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| 13:49.13 | Eulex | Althaser, there's a program called uptime which displays a few things, among that the uptime of the system |
| 13:49.32 | tralala | resiak: so it was the discover? |
| 13:49.36 | resiak | tralala: Mmhmm. |
| 13:49.50 | jamey3 | So how do I get scp working for virtual hosting, anyone? |
| 13:50.01 | stouset | resiak: Never used it myself, sorry bub |
| 13:50.11 | Althaser | or the best uptime ?? |
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| 13:50.14 | resiak | stouset: Heh. |
| 13:50.16 | greycat | jamey3: get multiple IPs? |
| 13:50.21 | resiak | Oh _what_ |
| 13:50.27 | resiak | It's _still loading. |
| 13:50.30 | Althaser | Eulex but that uptime is only the current i want know the best of |
| 13:50.33 | greycat | jamey3: really, ONLY http has any provisions for name-based virtual hosting. |
| 13:50.39 | greycat | nothing else does |
| 13:50.39 | stouset | resiak: Well crap. |
| 13:50.45 | greycat | (well, except e-mail) |
| 13:50.48 | jamey3 | greycat: I can't, way too expensive. Isn't there an easy way to specify which "server" to login as via scp? |
| 13:50.54 | resiak | "Detecting hardware:" is discover, right? |
| 13:51.02 | jamey3 | greycat: WHAT? I don't believe it.. :/ |
| 13:51.04 | greycat | jamey3: no. the SSH protocol doesn't pass along a hostname like HTTP 1.1 does. |
| 13:51.14 | greycat | (and it's optional in HTTP 1.0) |
| 13:51.24 | jamey3 | that much I do know ;) |
| 13:51.25 | stouset | resiak: looking |
| 13:51.28 | wam | jamey3: you can only do that via different IPs or via different ports. Otherwise you have to use the usernames to specify where to scp the files. |
| 13:51.30 | Althaser | longshanks the best uptime of machine |
| 13:51.35 | jamey3 | so are there any file transfer protocols that pass a host along when they connect? |
| 13:51.42 | resiak | stouset: Hell, I can look for myself, I'm just lazy. Sorry, i'll do it. |
| 13:51.42 | greycat | jamey3: http |
| 13:51.43 | stouset | jamey3: HTTP :-) |
| 13:51.45 | jamey3 | wam: yes, usernames! |
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| 13:51.57 | stouset | resiak: "discovering hardware" for discover. |
| 13:52.00 | greycat | jamey3: you could use one of the various CGI or PHP based file uploading tools |
| 13:52.02 | stouset | discover1 might be different |
| 13:52.02 | jamey3 | that's how I can do it, duh lol |
| 13:52.05 | greycat | jamey3: or you could use WebDAV |
| 13:52.08 | longshanks | jamey3: like i said cant you just upload using https |
| 13:52.15 | wam | jamey3: lol ;)= |
| 13:52.15 | jamey3 | yeah... |
| 13:52.21 | jamey3 | but FTP is "nicer"? |
| 13:52.26 | longshanks | no ftp is sick |
| 13:52.29 | jamey3 | really? |
| 13:52.29 | wam | jamey3: ftp is crap |
| 13:52.32 | jamey3 | wow |
| 13:52.43 | jamey3 | so you would personally prefer a "web interface" HTTPS uplading method? |
| 13:52.48 | jamey3 | *uploading |
| 13:52.53 | longshanks | jamey3: if i needed security yes. |
| 13:53.00 | wam | jamey3: hell no. webdav/ssl or so... Maybe sftp. |
| 13:53.11 | stouset | resiak: discover1 says "Detecting hardware" |
| 13:53.14 | jamey3 | sftp, does it send a host header? |
| 13:53.24 | wam | jamey3: sftp == ssh/scp |
| 13:53.26 | greycat | jamey3: ANYTHING is better than ftp. |
| 13:53.28 | jamey3 | oh oh |
| 13:53.42 | longshanks | or you could tunnel ftp through ssh |
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| 13:53.46 | greycat | no you can't. |
| 13:53.46 | resiak | stouset: Just found that too. Grrr, this should be working, damnit!!11111onbe |
| 13:53.48 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 13:53.50 | Eulex | jamey3, ftp is very unsecure -- I'd only recommend the use of it on a trusted network |
| 13:53.56 | jamey3 | right, so can I setup ssh/scp with usernames so each separate virtual host can only upload to their directory? |
| 13:54.04 | greycat | !ssh chroot |
| 13:54.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 13:54.11 | jamey3 | Eulex: shocking that so many web hosts employ it |
| 13:54.13 | stouset | resiak: Personally I can't stand discover :-) I think it was for that exact same problem, actually. I'd blacklist something and it would tell me to piss off and load it anyways. |
| 13:54.14 | wam | jamey3: every user can be set up to upload only to his home-directory. yes. |
| 13:54.30 | jamey3 | wam: does that mean I have to have separate user accounts in *nix? |
| 13:54.33 | wam | jamey3: and you can give your users something like "winscp". They will love this. |
| 13:54.41 | wam | jamey3: yes. |
| 13:54.46 | jamey3 | sounds good (almost too good to be true!) |
| 13:54.51 | Eulex | jamey3, it sends all data unecrypted, *even* usernames and passwords |
| 13:55.01 | jamey3 | Eulex: ugh, stupid hosting companies |
| 13:55.04 | resiak | stouset: The worst is that I'm only trying to temporarily blacklist it while I troubleshoot ifrename! |
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| 13:55.10 | jamey3 | okay, so how do I setup ssh/scp to do this? |
| 13:55.16 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need a tip, about a good debian book, better, some books, for admin and for users (mere mortals) 8) |
| 13:55.18 | wam | jamey3: read docs ;) |
| 13:55.19 | Eulex | jamey3, yeah, stupod stupid them |
| 13:55.42 | wam | jamey3: about unix user administration and about ssh. |
| 13:56.00 | Aragorn_Guardian | ehehe |
| 13:56.03 | jamey3 | okay cheers everyone |
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| 13:56.14 | J_P | drac: strange becouse if I do agaim dpkg-reconfigure mantis dialogs show for me correct configuration, but in file dpkg-reconfigure not write correct config.. understand ? |
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| 13:56.41 | stouset | resiak: Stop discover from starting on boot? |
| 13:56.42 | Aragorn_Guardian | but debian differs from others unices, that is why it is debian... 8) |
| 13:56.52 | jamey3 | wam: which docs in particular? |
| 13:56.54 | Aragorn_Guardian | so useful commands |
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| 13:57.50 | sep | Aragorn_Guardian, http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 13:57.54 | resiak | stouset: I'm just gonna remove the module. I don't even use ut. |
| 13:58.08 | J_P | why dgpk-reconfigure not write in file config, need anyone parametner for this ? |
| 13:58.17 | greycat | because dpkg-reconfigure just plain SUCKS. |
| 13:58.29 | greycat | it's overengineered, overcomplex, and confusing. |
| 13:58.29 | wam | jamey3: hmm.. hold on. |
| 13:58.34 | Aragorn_Guardian | nice |
| 13:58.51 | greycat | it's exactly what I would expect from a C++ developer |
| 13:58.57 | Aragorn_Guardian | sep: thanks |
| 13:59.01 | JJK | Hello, I want to do a completely clean apache2 install, but when I do apt-get remove apache2 all files in /etc/apache2 still exist. Is it safe to remove them and after that reinstalling apache? Or won't apt create that files again? |
| 13:59.05 | J_P | greycat: how i resolv this for it write config ? |
| 13:59.09 | stouset | resiak: Why'd you compile it then? :-P |
| 13:59.13 | greycat | JJK: --purge |
| 13:59.19 | greycat | J_P: edit the files by hand |
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| 13:59.22 | sep | Aragorn_Guardian, and it's the first bloddy hit on google for the search debian books so atleast try that next time |
| 13:59.22 | resiak | stouset: I use it when I'm not at home. |
| 13:59.30 | jamey3 | wam: thanks *waits* |
| 13:59.43 | sep | Aragorn_Guardian, no problem :P |
| 13:59.57 | J_P | greycat: But i never will be know if for othern software dpkg-reconfigure not runn ok and i need for all software config by hand.. |
| 14:00.06 | Aragorn_Guardian | The Linux Cookbook...is about debian? i really dont know... |
| 14:00.17 | stouset | resiak: fair enough :-) |
| 14:00.25 | greycat | J_P: then bitch at Debian developers about it. file a wishlist bug report on debconf. |
| 14:00.33 | wam | jamey3: adding new users: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2 |
| 14:00.45 | wam | jamey3: Limiting your users disk-space: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 |
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| 14:00.55 | J_P | greycat: first install after --purge show this line : I: creating /etc/mantis/config.php |
| 14:00.56 | pego | hi |
| 14:00.57 | wam | jamey3: Keeping SSH access scure: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/87 |
| 14:01.03 | J_P | greycat: after dpkg-reconfigure not show this line |
| 14:01.07 | sep | J_P your sure manbti dont have a md5sum'd confg in the same way xfree have it ? to prevent dpkg-reconfigure from overwriting userchanges ? |
| 14:01.09 | ethics | j_p xfreex6 has issues if you hand mod too thers a factoid about it |
| 14:01.18 | wam | jamey3: How to restrict users to sftp: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
| 14:01.21 | JJK | greycat, the file still exist |
| 14:01.30 | pego | sep: hey i m back. i have called French national distibutor for 3ware and impossible to get one in less than 2 week :( |
| 14:01.32 | wam | jamey3: password-less Logons with openssh: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 |
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| 14:01.40 | J_P | sep: I dont know.. how is possible i know this ? |
| 14:01.45 | kurtak | So, quick question- If I patch the kernel source, and there were a lot of Hunks that failed, do i have to do anything else (like a restore/revert) after patching in order to get the compilation to succeed, or are the failed hunks not changed? |
| 14:01.47 | JJK | greycat, or do I need to do apt-get install --purge? |
| 14:01.49 | greycat | JJK: dpkg --purge, then rm them. |
| 14:01.56 | greycat | !lart JJK |
| 14:01.57 | wam | jamey3: that should be a nice start ;) |
| 14:02.04 | greycat | JJK: did you TOTALLY IGNORE WHAT I ORIGINALLY SAID? |
| 14:02.11 | pego | sep: i dunno what to do... can i ask you some advice about storing data ? |
| 14:02.19 | JJK | greycat, you told: --purge |
| 14:02.23 | JJK | nothing else |
| 14:02.29 | greycat | yes. that should have been enough. |
| 14:02.33 | J_P | ethics: I not understand, can you repeat sentence with other words ? |
| 14:02.34 | ethics | jjk or aptitude has the option if you prefer |
| 14:02.36 | sep | pego, you can ask the #channel, and someone that knows will answer |
| 14:02.52 | greycat | both apt-get and dpkg have --purge |
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| 14:03.03 | greycat | and they both have man pages. |
| 14:03.06 | sep | pego check french webshops also |
| 14:03.07 | pego | sep: k thx |
| 14:03.10 | ethics | jjk aptitude --purge pkgname is same as apt syntax commandline if you prefer over dpkg |
| 14:03.16 | JJK | greycat, okay, thank you |
| 14:03.21 | sep | !THX |
| 14:03.22 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 14:03.25 | JJK | ethics, I prefer apt |
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| 14:03.47 | pego | sep: i have did all. 3 ware sell SATA more than ATA :( i can only find 2400A Adaptec card ... but dunnno if it's a good idea |
| 14:03.56 | DA_ | sep: haha i love dpkg.. hes so cocky and he ALWAYS gets away with it... |
| 14:04.10 | longshanks | lol |
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| 14:04.40 | pego | Anyone, i have 4 drive and no raid card and i want keep my serveur and my data safe :) who have a great solution ? :) is the RAID card a must have ? |
| 14:05.06 | greycat | "RAID card". harumph. |
| 14:05.16 | jamey3 | wam: thanks :) |
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| 14:05.32 | pego | greycat: ? :/ |
| 14:05.56 | ethics | jjk apt-get from command line is minimum to suit package, aptitude form commandline using same commands as apt-get will give you the recommendeds also...i use both like apt-get depending on use....aptitude has the --purge option as it seems more intergrated with dpkg for that --purge command..other than that i know no other difference other than the gui if no options at commandline |
| 14:05.59 | greycat | pego: what's your budget? |
| 14:06.00 | lonewolff | hey, sorry to be a pain, but does anyone know how to make exim any host to use smtp-auth without tls and not just localhost? |
| 14:06.20 | pego | hum 400 euros, like 400 dollars |
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| 14:06.32 | pego | greycat: i have 4 IDE 160 drive |
| 14:06.39 | greycat | you won't get much of a server for 400 bucks |
| 14:06.41 | jamey3 | wam: that looks more complex than I need. Isn't there just a way to allow someone to login like I am doing? |
| 14:06.50 | jamey3 | wait a minute, it already works like that! |
| 14:07.00 | pego | greycat: i m not a Pro but i have the server |
| 14:07.08 | djace | pego: more like 500 dollars |
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| 14:07.15 | pego | greycat: all actualy work but the data an't so safe |
| 14:07.18 | JJK | ethics, I understand. Thanks |
| 14:07.21 | yacek | welcome |
| 14:07.23 | lonewolff | or even, is anyone know how to enable tls that would help also |
| 14:07.24 | wam | jamey3: it already should work. But know what you are doing. You open your machine for strangers... |
| 14:07.28 | greycat | pego: how often do you back it up? |
| 14:07.31 | pego | djace: didnt knew |
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| 14:07.36 | sep | pego, with linux you can do software raid, it's very stable and secure |
| 14:07.42 | wam | jamey3: especially you give them shell-access if you don't watch out. |
| 14:08.01 | yacek | Does anyone has some knowledge about dev and udev?? |
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| 14:08.05 | yacek | i need help |
| 14:08.06 | pego | greycat: i backup it from one disk to the other and to an aexternal USB one, that i unplug but i do this 1 time per week |
| 14:08.07 | greycat | !anyone know |
| 14:08.07 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
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| 14:08.18 | yacek | okay |
| 14:08.18 | wam | jamey3: you should also have a look at file-modes. otherwise users can read other users files. |
| 14:08.31 | jamey3 | wam: I created a linux user called "test" and I can login via SSH. But how do I only let them access to their own home dir? |
| 14:08.40 | longshanks | Why is it on sarge the default is to have word readable homes ? |
| 14:08.41 | greycat | pego: then I'd invest the 400 euros in better backup media (or another USB hard drive, whatever) and use software RAID |
| 14:08.42 | pego | sep: i was on soft raid ... but 2 disk just crashed ... and that why i don't beleve soft raid now and i look for hard |
| 14:08.47 | jamey3 | all I want them to able to do is use SCP/SFTP and upload files in their home dir? |
| 14:08.49 | wam | jamey3: read the docs ;) |
| 14:08.51 | greycat | pego: back it up *regularly*. that's the best thing you can do. |
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| 14:09.10 | sep | pego, pego if 2 drives fail at the same time your fucked hardware raid cant handle that either |
| 14:09.11 | jamey3 | wam: I just thought someone here might've had some experience with this kinda thing :( |
| 14:09.11 | pego | greycat: but it don't prevend the server from stop. |
| 14:09.13 | greycat | pego: *two* disks crashing won't be salvageable with hardware RAID either. |
| 14:09.21 | sep | pego, raid is not a substitution for backup, |
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| 14:09.27 | chaica | hi |
| 14:09.32 | greycat | pego: RAID only gives you *one* disk's worth of redundancy unless it's one of the RAID levels after 5 |
| 14:09.34 | pego | sep: don't you thing that one disk crashed the other one ? |
| 14:09.42 | jamey3 | wam: I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for... that's the point. Or where, either. |
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| 14:09.48 | sep | pego, with raid10 and 4 drives you can survive a 2disk fail, but you only get 2 drives wirth of storage also. |
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| 14:09.51 | pego | sep: yeah i know but backup isn't substitution for raid |
| 14:10.06 | greycat | pego: yes it is. |
| 14:10.11 | wam | jamey3: probably everyone here knows how to set up this. But everyone is too lazy to explain what is in the docs already. |
| 14:10.14 | stouset | Is there a list of Debian developers somewhere? |
| 14:10.16 | ethics | yacek: ask away we have some knowledge about it.....depends on whats up as to helpful or not |
| 14:10.18 | pego | sep: was on 2 raid 1 |
| 14:10.20 | jblack | Is there a way to get a list of all installed packages currently installed, suitable for "I need to apt-get these after reinstall" ? |
| 14:10.22 | DA_ | pego: errr.... someone just staed the exact opposite like 5 seconads ago |
| 14:10.33 | stouset | I'm looking for something that's easily piped through wc. |
| 14:10.33 | yacek | so I compiled my own kernel (2.6.12) but with my sarge I also have udev :) so I did kernel config WITHOUT "filesystems> pseudofilesystem > dev" option |
| 14:10.34 | jamey3 | wam: okay... but *which* docs and *where*? :P |
| 14:10.34 | greycat | sep: depends on which 2 disks ;-) |
| 14:10.44 | chaica | I've got a question, I'm using kernel-image-2.6.11-1 from debian and one module (ethernet gigabit acenet) is missing, Anyway to compile it and add it to the image or will I need to compile a all new kernel? |
| 14:10.44 | pego | sep: the 2 drive of one raid crashed ... one and then the other i think |
| 14:10.53 | sep | pego, the added stress of a disk failure might trigger the fail of the second disk yes |
| 14:10.55 | wam | jamey3: those i gave you. If you want to know more, you'll know where to search after reading them. |
| 14:11.01 | DA_ | s/staed/stated s/seconads/seconds |
| 14:11.08 | yacek | but when my kernel starts it gives message: '"unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" |
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| 14:11.16 | jamey3 | okay... it just seemed to be overly-complex *reads* |
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| 14:11.30 | yacek | I tried to change some init scripts but it didn`t help |
| 14:11.30 | DA_ | yacek: did dpkg tell you about udev? |
| 14:11.31 | greycat | yacek: grep devfs /etc/fstab /etc/init.d/* |
| 14:11.32 | pego | sep: to be honest i absolutly dunno why the 2 disk crashed :( |
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| 14:12.13 | jamey3 | wam: they don't seem to be what I want, they are for allowing quick logins? I don't understnad |
| 14:12.16 | jamey3 | *understand :( |
| 14:12.16 | yacek | yes I have udev installed |
| 14:12.37 | yacek | i compiled kernel not using dpkg |
| 14:12.47 | greycat | yacek: we got that part. |
| 14:12.49 | pego | sep: greycat : perhaps it was the temperature ... but i just beleved that hard raid can stop that i mean 2 drive crahs at same time ... one must have break the other :( and hard raid and prevent that no ? |
| 14:12.54 | greycat | yacek: now tell us WHAT is trying to access devfs. |
| 14:13.07 | yacek | I don`t know |
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| 14:13.10 | ethics | yacek: what kernel? |
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| 14:13.10 | sep | pego, no hardware raid cant prevent that. |
| 14:13.15 | greycat | pego: then you're wrong. 2 drives failing == data lost. |
| 14:13.22 | yacek | it is after kernel starts |
| 14:13.33 | yacek | it doesn`t appear in logs |
| 14:13.37 | pego | greycat: yeah i know but if one drive fail it don't crash the other |
| 14:13.39 | greycat | 10:11 greycat> yacek: grep devfs /etc/fstab /etc/init.d/* |
| 14:13.56 | yacek | okay greycat |
| 14:13.57 | pego | sep: so why raid drive ? if one fail he damage all other in array |
| 14:14.01 | yacek | i `ll do it |
| 14:14.02 | greycat | pego: if the second one was going to fail, it doesn't matter whether you used software or hardware to do the RAID. |
| 14:14.07 | yacek | wait 15 min |
| 14:14.07 | sep | pego, hardware raid gives you, easier usage then with software raid, and it may (or may not) give you hot swap capabilities |
| 14:14.14 | amorph | hmmm i dont have a CDWriter option in Nautilus, how do you fix this? |
| 14:14.16 | stew | raid 10 can have 2 drives fail if they are on the same mirror |
| 14:14.27 | pego | sep: greycat : after i see some trouve data was read only on the 2 drives ... perhaps it can help to understand ... |
| 14:14.29 | sep | pego, no if a drive fails it fails. only rare does it take the other drive on the same bus with it. |
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| 14:14.43 | sep | but that's why you allways only use 1 drive on a ide bus when you do software raid |
| 14:14.52 | ethics | yacek: what kernel version are you trying?amorph nautilus-burner or something is the package |
| 14:14.58 | stew | i've had a bad raid controller destroy both drives in raid1 before, which sucked |
| 14:15.02 | resiak | I'm trying to make ifrename work... I've added "cow0 mac 00:0E:7B:7F:A0:02" to /etc/iftab, and ifrename -D claims that it will rename that interface correctly, but it never gets renamed. Allegedly hotplug runs it, but it doesn't seem to do so. |
| 14:15.14 | amorph | how do you get CDWriter added to Nautilus? |
| 14:15.18 | pego | sep: i use 1 per ide bus :/ |
| 14:15.23 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.45 | pego | sep: i can't rebuild my raid an tellmyself it will not redo the crahs later |
| 14:15.50 | ethics | amorph, nautilus-cd-burner package at a guess |
| 14:15.56 | sep | pego then the drives just happened to fail at the same time. the stress might have triggered it, but you woudnt be any better off with hardware raid on the same layout |
| 14:15.58 | pego | sep: i mean there must be a solution for that no ? |
| 14:16.17 | amorph | ethics: i have this package, but its not detected my cdwriter as i can only write to disc |
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| 14:16.26 | pego | sep: my english is bad what mean "the stress might have triggered it ?" |
| 14:16.30 | sep | pego, if you want to safeguard agains a dual drive crash you can do a raid1 over 4 drives. |
| 14:16.52 | sep | pego, when a drive failes the other drives must work harder. that can couse a failure |
| 14:16.52 | ethics | amorph, you have a blank cd in it? |
| 14:17.01 | amorph | ethics: yea |
| 14:17.14 | pego | sep: my server haven't many many poeple on it :/ |
| 14:17.22 | pego | sep: raid 1 on 4 drive ? raid 10 ? |
| 14:17.45 | sep | pego no just same data on 4 drives raid1 on 4 drives. if your very afraid of your data |
| 14:18.04 | greycat | don't fear the data. |
| 14:18.09 | ethics | amorph, and gnome-volume-manager is monitoring and has the default task on a blank disk set? |
| 14:18.16 | pego | im not so afraid for the data cause i backup them. but i m afraid for the service to stop |
| 14:18.33 | amorph | ethics: oh im not sure i better check that |
| 14:18.38 | sep | pego, then use hardware or software raid. |
| 14:18.45 | greycat | pego: if high uptime is the goal, then you need to spend a LOT more money |
| 14:18.48 | resiak | Ah haaaaaaaaaah. ifrename appears to start too late. |
| 14:18.58 | Eulex | what group do I need to add a user to to allow him/her to use the cd burner? |
| 14:18.59 | greycat | high availability, rather |
| 14:19.12 | greycat | Eulex: cdrom, and possibly chgrp cdrom /dev/whatever |
| 14:19.16 | greycat | !faq Eulex |
| 14:19.16 | dpkg | Eulex: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:19.21 | sep | pego, check out lvs. allowing you to have redundant server duplicates of everything |
| 14:19.22 | Eulex | greycat, ok, sorry |
| 14:19.22 | pego | sep: i was on soft raid but see ? :/ i know i can tell yeah yeah bad luck but damn if i was on a huge busness i can tell my client " sorry bad luck" :/ |
| 14:19.24 | stouset | resiak: :-) |
| 14:19.29 | stouset | resiak: Too late for what? |
| 14:19.44 | resiak | stouset: Too late to rename the interface to cow0. |
| 14:19.46 | ethics | amorph, the run on blank disk insert command is something like nautilus --no-desktop burn: |
| 14:19.47 | sep | pego, if it was huge buisniss youd have redundant server, routers switches and uplinks |
| 14:19.51 | pack | so was the advisory about bzip2 lieing about having things fixed in 1.0.2-7, cause i can't seem to find that package in security |
| 14:19.53 | amorph | ethics: could it be because my kernel is 2.4? |
| 14:19.54 | stouset | resiak: Haha, okay. |
| 14:19.54 | pego | sep: 2 server exact same ? |
| 14:19.57 | sep | pego and you'd spend 10000$ on it |
| 14:20.03 | sep | pego, yes o |
| 14:20.09 | pego | sep: true |
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| 14:20.15 | greycat | so maybe sarge is automatically doing something that woody didn't |
| 14:20.48 | ethics | amorph, im not sure, only really started using linux as a desktop since 2.6.6 |
| 14:20.53 | sep | pego, http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/HighAvailability.html |
| 14:21.02 | amorph | oh |
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| 14:21.16 | pego | sep: well i ll have to go back working and i thank you for help but i just want confirm one thing: soft can't ISNT less secure than Hard ? it isn't the cause of the soft raid that have made crash both drive on it ? |
| 14:21.20 | stew | greycat: on a box that was a sarge fresh install or a dist-upgrade to sarge? |
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| 14:21.28 | sep | pego, add redundant uplinks and networks to that design, and your getting closer atlest |
| 14:21.36 | greycat | stew: started out as a sarge-while-it-was-still-testing install |
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| 14:21.53 | sep | pego, i'v had dual drive fails on hardware raid also so *shrug* it justhappnes |
| 14:22.01 | greycat | stew: I don't *think* I manually chgrp'd it, but I'm not sure |
| 14:22.02 | stew | greycat: yeah i see the same, and my dist-upgraded boxes don't seem to have it |
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| 14:22.25 | sep | you can avoid it buy using different drives. i'v found that 4 drives from same batch have a higher liklyhood of failing at same time then 2 drives from different sources |
| 14:22.30 | pego | sep: both on hard ? :( *shrug* :( |
| 14:22.47 | wam | I made a stresstest yesterday. reiserfs3 on lvm2. I started a job which copied a set of files again and again into a dir. Then I hit the reset-button. I repeated this 4 times under full load. 0 (ZERO) faults ;) The only thing was always one file which was just written 50%. But that 50% were totally correct. I love such things ;) |
| 14:23.05 | pego | sep: okay :/ so i better keep my money ? :/ |
| 14:23.09 | sep | pego, yes, we 'v lost data on a 6 disk raid5 with hot standby. 2 drives failed before the hotstandby was resynced |
| 14:23.10 | ethics | greycat. yeah my etch is the same root cdrom, dont remember what my woody webserver had... |
| 14:23.30 | pego | sep: damn ! |
| 14:23.33 | greycat | ethics: woody left CD-ROMs as root:root (IDE CD-ROMs, anyway) |
| 14:23.48 | greycat | SCSI's a different story |
| 14:24.05 | sep | pego, you cant have low cost and high availability at same time. |
| 14:24.10 | ethics | wam: well neither are really fault tolerant are they? if they do die can you recover anything really? |
| 14:24.11 | pego | sep: anyway what is you're best advice for low busness ? re do soft raid or go LVS ? |
| 14:24.20 | sep | pego, not caompareable |
| 14:24.27 | wam | ethics: i have backups ;) |
| 14:24.29 | greycat | pego: pray. |
| 14:24.29 | sep | pego, you can do both. if you want |
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| 14:24.38 | pego | greycat: thx lol |
| 14:24.42 | yacek | okay i`m back |
| 14:24.45 | ethics | greycat, udev ? |
| 14:24.55 | greycat | ethics: no thanks. |
| 14:24.56 | pego | sep: hum if you had money more , not ton of money what will you do ? |
| 14:25.00 | sep | pego, software raid + select your drives wisely + good backups and have spareparts |
| 14:25.06 | yacek | you can see output of the commad on http://sniffergg.port5.com/log.txt |
| 14:25.11 | greycat | !sep++ |
| 14:25.21 | ethics | wam i cant backup 2.2 terabytes heheh need to take a chance on some of it heheh ext3 for me on those scary ones... |
| 14:25.45 | pego | :) |
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| 14:25.54 | sep | pego, if you had infinite money you'd have redundant routing and datecenters with the same data on all continents |
| 14:26.05 | sep | greycat, ?? meaning ? |
| 14:26.12 | greycat | !karma sep |
| 14:26.12 | dpkg | sep has karma of 2 |
| 14:26.12 | pego | sep: not infinite :) |
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| 14:26.39 | ethics | greycat: so with devfs ad no hotplug/discover i wonder how that happens...ide-cd doesnt set a dev up at all does it? |
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| 14:26.41 | wam | ethics: 2.2tb. wow. I'll never have more than 10gb. So backup is no problem ;) |
| 14:26.44 | sep | !karma greycat |
| 14:26.45 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 14:26.47 | sep | yiikes |
| 14:26.49 | sep | hehe |
| 14:26.54 | wam | !karma wam |
| 14:26.54 | dpkg | wam has neutral karma |
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| 14:26.58 | wam | hmm :/ |
| 14:26.59 | coll | its kind of silly that by default users homedir under /home are 755 because then users can browse in each other's dirs |
| 14:27.08 | J_P | I test dpkg-reconfigre in phpsysinfo and work ok, only in mantis not work.. |
| 14:27.09 | greycat | coll: you were ASKED at install time. |
| 14:27.16 | greycat | you chose to use world readable home dirs. |
| 14:27.17 | pego | sep: greycat : thx for all i need go work thanks again ! |
| 14:27.18 | stew | coll: thats not a default |
| 14:27.19 | greycat | if you don't like it, change it. |
| 14:27.19 | pego | later |
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| 14:27.43 | De_Mon | coll when I installed I was asked if thats how I wanted to set up /home |
| 14:27.46 | coll | greycat: weird i dont remember being asked heh |
| 14:27.56 | coll | greycat: i was probably out :) |
| 14:27.57 | ethics | wam: hehe its a media server more than anything so its just got music pron and dvds etc ....the may be some work training videos in there somewhere but they never seem to be requested hehe |
| 14:27.57 | stew | coll: iirc: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 14:28.16 | greycat | coll: it's in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 14:28.23 | coll | thanks guys |
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| 14:28.33 | greycat | and you'll have to chmod existing dirs if you want it changed retroactively |
| 14:28.49 | wam | ethics: reiserfs is tuned for small files - so you could use reiserfs for small porno clips ;) |
| 14:29.07 | greycat | I have yet to see "small" video files. |
| 14:29.33 | yacek | greycat: what do You think about the oputput of http://sniffergg.port5.com/log.txt |
| 14:30.22 | coll | so i should be changing adduser.conf's DIR_MODE to other than 755 |
| 14:30.32 | greycat | coll: do what you want. |
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| 14:31.04 | greycat | yacek: this message you get at boot time... is it just a warning you can ignore, or is it causing an actual problem? |
| 14:31.05 | coll | i will greycat, and you know why? because its MY system |
| 14:31.06 | ethics | j_p itll be a md5 issue, manul changes screw up dpkg as it doesnt know what it's allowed to change as something its not expecting exists and its not allowed to overwrite user changes, once your past instal on most packages then manual changes are common |
| 14:31.08 | coll | MY MY MY :) |
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| 14:31.19 | greycat | coll: I'm glad we've established that. |
| 14:31.32 | coll | lol |
| 14:31.36 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.37 | yacek | there is no problem greycat but I would like not ot ignore it |
| 14:32.01 | coll | greycat: im buying you a beer, you're too serious |
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| 14:32.24 | stew | !greycatsnack |
| 14:32.24 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a chocolate chip cookie for all the hard work |
| 14:32.25 | ThreeDayMonk | Is anyone running a PPTP *server*? I've got a testing machine with all the necessary software; my client software connects, but I need some assistance in setting up packet forwarding. |
| 14:32.27 | greycat | yacek: enabled bootlogd if you haven't already, and find out exactly when it's occuring, so you can see what's causing it |
| 14:32.45 | yacek | okay greycat |
| 14:32.53 | Gozar | Hi. How do I see what version a package is? example openal0 is version: 0.2004090900-1.1 |
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| 14:33.05 | drac | Gozar: dpkg -l package |
| 14:33.11 | coll | Gozar: apt-cache show package |
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| 14:33.39 | ethics | wam: but when your storing 7 gig files also you tend to have issues with partitioning, ie i run out of diskspace = headache to shuffle data, EXT3 can do most things and is recoverable more easily, lets face it speed is hardly optimum on alot of hardware anyways....sata seems slow but im going to look into that soon but its crappy as default here hehe |
| 14:33.44 | gtigene | what is a good rfc-compliant ftp server, not to difficult to configure? |
| 14:33.54 | greycat | gtigene: proftpd is popular |
| 14:34.04 | coll | proftpd is fairly simple |
| 14:34.19 | gtigene | greycat, coll: thank you |
| 14:34.45 | Gozar | drac: coll For openal0 i get the version: 0.2004090900-1.1 Ain't that some sort of debian version? |
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| 14:34.47 | greycat | just don't expect proftpd to handle your NIS group map properly |
| 14:34.59 | greycat | the damned thing seems to hardcode /etc/group instead of using standard calls |
| 14:35.12 | nerdy2 | apt-cache showpkg [package-name] will give you that (in addition to other info) |
| 14:35.14 | wam | ethics: right - ext2/3 is perfect for your setup. ever thought about lvm? |
| 14:35.20 | yacek | oh one more question |
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| 14:35.59 | yacek | when using standard kernel, it loads kernel modules |
| 14:36.34 | yacek | but with my own kernel it gives" No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled" |
| 14:36.36 | liable | hmm, gcc-4.0 compiles a kernel fine. (except my shitty modem doesnt want to play with it) |
| 14:36.43 | coll | Gozar: there's a version field there, that is the version of the compiled package |
| 14:36.44 | greycat | yacek: you misconfigured your kernel, the.n |
| 14:36.46 | greycat | then* |
| 14:36.53 | yacek | but I have correct System.map files |
| 14:36.54 | coll | uhmm, i need some hosting |
| 14:36.56 | yacek | err file |
| 14:37.00 | greycat | liable: it wouldn't build 2.4.31 for me. |
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| 14:37.33 | yacek | greycat so what should I do?? |
| 14:37.33 | coll | bluehost.com seems fairly nice but there's no dedicated ip or dns control |
| 14:37.45 | greycat | yacek: run a debian kernel, or fix yours. |
| 14:38.03 | yacek | but how should i fix my kernel what is wrong?? |
| 14:38.17 | greycat | yacek: "kernel modules not enabled" sounds pretty clear |
| 14:38.17 | ethics | wam: i was pondering it on a play box for an experiment, atm im using more manual methods of symlinking around. the backup issues are somewhat concerning at times but to date nothing significan has been hurt so i guess im lucky, backup cycle leaves 3 day gaps on data backups |
| 14:38.30 | yacek | I knwo |
| 14:38.33 | yacek | err know |
| 14:38.39 | gudi | greycat, we run 2.4.31 on a few servers with no probs |
| 14:38.47 | liable | greycat: 2.6.12.2, no apparent probs, only just booted, didnt really play as modem needs to be recompiled. (initial compile errored..) |
| 14:38.48 | greycat | gudi: built with gcc 4.0? or with 3.3? |
| 14:38.51 | greycat | gudi: I had to use 3.3 |
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| 14:39.17 | sktrdie | hello |
| 14:39.19 | gudi | what is in the current sarge stable default |
| 14:39.19 | shuning | emmas says hi |
| 14:39.20 | gudi | ? |
| 14:39.31 | sktrdie | I was looking for mplayer.. can anyone help me get the binary of mplayer? |
| 14:39.32 | drac | gudi: 3.3 |
| 14:39.34 | greycat | gudi: sarge is gcc 3.3 |
| 14:39.39 | gudi | ok then with 3.3 |
| 14:39.42 | yacek | but System.map loads like debian kernel do |
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| 14:39.57 | sktrdie | it's not in apt-get |
| 14:39.59 | wam | ethics: i'm just curious. you could have one (virtual) big partition over several harddisks. No need to symlink anything. Even the physical HDDs could be mirrored (raid1)... |
| 14:39.59 | sktrdie | how come? |
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| 14:40.41 | ethics | yacek for your information the debian config files are with the image, what most people do as beginner kernel changers is copy that one then use menuconfig to add specific things, if you dont want an initrd then you also need all boot requirements, controllers filesystems etc.. |
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| 14:40.49 | drac | !tell sktrdie about marillat |
| 14:41.05 | drac | sktrdie: look what dpkg said in private to get mplayer with apt-get. |
| 14:41.54 | sktrdie | drac: I don't understand |
| 14:42.05 | yacek | ethics I do menuconfig from basics without copying it and then mkinitrd so I also have ram disk |
| 14:42.10 | greycat | sktrdie: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:42.30 | sktrdie | I read that |
| 14:42.51 | ethics | wam: yeah its probably my next move, Id like to play with it on a new test server for a little though. i like to actually know my recovery options before hand....long story short but i had an informix server crash and the backup tapes wouldnt restore and informix said oh theres a bug in backups....5 days later we got the info back hehe...hurts a larger company badly |
| 14:43.22 | wam | ethics: ouch. |
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| 14:43.52 | wam | ethics: I think it's a bit too easy to say "test your backups" with 2.2TB data ... |
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| 14:44.20 | sktrdie | I still don't understand |
| 14:44.23 | sktrdie | please help :( |
| 14:44.26 | jharrisonwk | close one == http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm4/projectedpath_large.html?from=wxcenter_maps |
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| 14:44.38 | ethics | yacek, you missed something..8) |
| 14:45.01 | greycat | sktrdie: "See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list" |
| 14:45.05 | greycat | sktrdie: which part don't you get? |
| 14:46.10 | ethics | sktrdie, some stuff has legal/license issues which stop debian hosting it officially, marrilat is another place to get things with apt-get... got to the ftp link to get the line for your apt sources list apt-get update apt-cache search will show the unnoficial ones too |
| 14:46.12 | sktrdie | greycat: do I have to install anything? |
| 14:46.12 | jharrisonwk | its really windy here though |
| 14:46.29 | sktrdie | O i see |
| 14:46.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 14:46.46 | greycat | sktrdie: most people who have been told to use marillat are looking for mplayer and/or w32codecs |
| 14:46.51 | greycat | sktrdie: so "probably". |
| 14:47.17 | sktrdie | I'm yet very new |
| 14:47.22 | sktrdie | where's the source.list located? |
| 14:47.27 | greycat | man sources.list |
| 14:47.27 | resiak | sktrdie: /etc/apt/ |
| 14:47.31 | sktrdie | thnx |
| 14:47.42 | resiak | !thnx |
| 14:47.42 | dpkg | any time, resiak |
| 14:47.44 | resiak | :( |
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| 14:48.33 | sktrdie | I cannot find the line to put in sources.list :( |
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| 14:49.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: pong |
| 14:49.09 | ethics | wam: testing backups wasnt the issue the restore program was hehe hard to recover a backup if the restore functions cant see block devices.. |
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| 14:49.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: check it out |
| 14:50.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/091832.shtml?prob?large |
| 14:50.19 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what about the deb package you wanted to do? |
| 14:50.45 | sktrdie | anyoine? |
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| 14:51.06 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: uh the road figther one? |
| 14:51.18 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yap. that looks dangerous |
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| 14:51.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its stonger now and the pressure has decreased to 938mb |
| 14:52.05 | resiak | sktrdie: Read that page? |
| 14:52.44 | jharrisonwk | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCUAT4+shtml/081352.shtml |
| 14:52.56 | corenium | Hi, I'm trying to get my WLAN card up and running. lspci shows '0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys, A Division of Cisco Systems [AirConn] INPROCOMM IPN 2220 Wireless LAN Adapter (rev 01)' -- shouldn't it work out of the box? |
| 14:52.57 | greycat | sktrdie: read the fucking index.html |
| 14:53.13 | resiak | sktrdie: There is a section about 2 pages down saying _exactly_ what to add to sources.list |
| 14:53.14 | jharrisonwk | helix: better watch out this one might be visiting you |
| 14:53.19 | corenium | If not, where can I set SSID and TKP passwd? |
| 14:53.20 | ethics | !tell sktrdie about marillat |
| 14:53.23 | jharrisonwk | ah the excitement of hurricane season |
| 14:53.27 | greycat | I don't see how it could be made any clearer than it is. |
| 14:53.38 | ethics | sktrdie, top link should tell you it from dpkg msg |
| 14:53.39 | greycat | it even tells you where sources.list is. |
| 14:53.47 | greycat | you didn't read it AT ALL, did you? |
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| 14:54.11 | sktrdie | guys but I have ppc :( |
| 14:54.11 | ethics | sktrdie, scroll down maybee...depends on resolution.. |
| 14:54.23 | resiak | sktrdie: " For unstable ppc packages from Guido Guenther, go here : unstable-ppc" |
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| 14:54.49 | sktrdie | what abt the last sources? |
| 14:54.51 | greycat | w32codecs is i386 only isn't it? |
| 14:54.58 | Toastie_ | If I have a kernel-source package, how do I know what 'config' was used to build the kernel image and thus repeat the build? |
| 14:55.09 | resiak | greycat: Yes. |
| 14:55.09 | greycat | Toastie_: /boot/config-* |
| 14:55.21 | Toastie_ | greycat: bah, just thought of it myself :) Thanks |
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| 14:55.33 | resiak | sktrdie: " For unstable ppc packages from Guido Guenther, go here : unstable-ppc" " Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list" "deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/" |
| 14:55.34 | sktrdie | O i fodun it |
| 14:55.39 | sktrdie | I could simply just download the .deb |
| 14:55.40 | sktrdie | right? |
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| 14:55.48 | sktrdie | and to dpgk .deb |
| 14:55.51 | sktrdie | *do |
| 14:56.10 | sktrdie | resiak: sorry also my english is bad |
| 14:56.38 | greycat | sktrdie: man dpkg |
| 14:56.49 | ke6isf | ...coffee... |
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| 14:57.31 | ethics | sktrdie, apt-get handles dependancies....dpkg will just say i need this too ..go fetch |
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| 14:59.25 | sktrdie | ethics: yea :( |
| 14:59.28 | sktrdie | your're right |
| 14:59.32 | sktrdie | so what I do? |
| 15:00.04 | greycat | sktrdie: are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
| 15:00.09 | sktrdie | I tink I got it |
| 15:00.12 | sktrdie | sarge |
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| 15:00.35 | greycat | then either 1) ask #debianppc, or 2) build mplayer from the source |
| 15:00.53 | ethics | sktrdie, go to the link see if you can find a source.list line if not download the deb dpkg -i it and find out what else you ned and step by step work it out 8) |
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| 15:01.50 | Mez | I'm not going to have any problems because I'm downloading the main load of packages for debian through a chroot to it am I? |
| 15:01.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: which package? |
| 15:02.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I had problems with the road figther one |
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| 15:02.16 | Mez | I needed to use my comp, so i logged back into ubuntu and ran aptitude after chrooting to my debian install |
| 15:02.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: could not get it to run correctly |
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| 15:04.00 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: oh ok |
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| 15:04.31 | sktrdie | ethics: ok ive added the line to my sources.list |
| 15:04.37 | sktrdie | but when i type apt-get install mplayer |
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| 15:05.09 | greycat | (did you apt-get update?) |
| 15:05.18 | ethics | sktrdie, apt-get update first to get ther new packages listing...the apt-cache search mplayer to find the exact package name |
| 15:05.21 | mcmanus | hello |
| 15:05.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: got any others? |
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| 15:05.46 | sktrdie | it says that there's no such file |
| 15:05.48 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: my kernel autobuilder is about done though |
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| 15:06.17 | greycat | FUCKING BROKEN GNUPG! |
| 15:06.18 | raf256 | wazup \o/ |
| 15:06.18 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: kernel autobuilder? not for now, nothing |
| 15:06.21 | greycat | gpg: waiting for lock (held by 7397 - probably dead) ... |
| 15:06.28 | raf256 | !fuck fucking broken gnupg |
| 15:06.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yeah my kernel autobuilder |
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| 15:06.35 | ethics | sktrdie, maybe sources line missing something etc try checking the line etc read info etc |
| 15:06.37 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you build 2.4.31 and 2.6.12.2 ? |
| 15:06.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: 2.6.12.2 |
| 15:06.53 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: debian like? alot of modules, works on almost any hardware? |
| 15:06.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but really you can configure it to compile what you like |
| 15:07.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its according to the .config |
| 15:07.12 | raf256 | I want to move to new HDD, in addition 1) changing FS (to reiser) 2) adding RAID |
| 15:07.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i don't want to configure any linux kernel shit. i just want a fucking working kernel |
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| 15:07.20 | raf256 | step 1) - I can just cp -ar ? |
| 15:07.45 | raf256 | Im actually asking |
| 15:07.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sure thats fine just use the .config |
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| 15:08.01 | greycat | doesn't -a imply -r? |
| 15:08.04 | intero | when windows overwrite mbr i should enter with a boot disk, chroot to my old partition and run lilo -v to get mbr written again. what should i do instead if i use grub? |
| 15:08.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: of who? of debian? |
| 15:08.07 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you can use the debian config-2.6.X |
| 15:08.09 | claudio_ | raf256: using tar is usually better |
| 15:08.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: but the initrd breaks |
| 15:08.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: can you build that kernel package for me? |
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| 15:08.25 | raf256 | claudio_: why? Im moving to other HDD, not making backup |
| 15:08.26 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hhhmmmm |
| 15:08.34 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i tried all these shitness: www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ |
| 15:08.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: kernel autobuilder does not build kernel.deb |
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| 15:08.44 | mcmanus | Has anyone successfully gotten TOra to connect to an Oracle10g database? Or at least, successfully recompiled it from source? I can't seem to get either to work. |
| 15:08.50 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: do you build modules and kernel? |
| 15:08.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: just compiles and then you install kernel manually |
| 15:08.57 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: put it in a tarball that's fine as well |
| 15:09.00 | ethics | intereo type grub hit tab 2 times you get the other ones...im thinking setup or install |
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| 15:09.01 | claudio_ | raf256: to deal with symlinks, permissions and stuff. rsync with sparse file option could be even better I think |
| 15:09.18 | claudio_ | raf256: rsync -Savuzl or similar |
| 15:09.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sure you want me to build it for i386 with modules etc...? |
| 15:09.19 | raf256 | claudio_: uhm... |
| 15:09.25 | raf256 | claudio_: O_o |
| 15:09.32 | raf256 | claudio_: I have both hdd in same box |
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| 15:09.44 | raf256 | claudio_: ok.. cp -arh ? |
| 15:09.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes please |
| 15:10.04 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: also put the config file into the tarball please |
| 15:10.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you dont want any initrd though right? |
| 15:10.13 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: initrd or no initrd? |
| 15:10.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I hate initrd |
| 15:10.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i don't care as long as it just fucking works |
| 15:10.26 | jharrisonwk | heh |
| 15:10.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: just don't put any fb shit into it |
| 15:10.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: fb == framebuffer? |
| 15:10.41 | greycat | wow, tarzeau's starting to sound like me |
| 15:10.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i so much hate linux kernel configuration on i386 |
| 15:10.52 | claudio_ | raf256: rsync works in this case as well. other common method is (cd /origin; tar cf - *) | (cd /dest; tar xvf -). to use copy I think you could use -p as well |
| 15:10.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes exactly, !fb for something funny :) |
| 15:11.01 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 15:11.05 | greycat | claudio_: if it's on localhost, "cp -a" is simpler |
| 15:11.18 | raf256 | claudio_: it seems cp -a is archive mode == preserves symlinks, right, times... |
| 15:11.18 | greycat | claudio_: tar | ssh tar across a network, though, is just divine. |
| 15:11.32 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: generic cpu or p4 amd etc...? |
| 15:11.50 | claudio_ | greycat: ah, ok, -a implies in -p |
| 15:12.05 | claudio_ | greycat: does it handle sparse files? |
| 15:12.11 | greycat | claudio_: dunno |
| 15:12.42 | claudio_ | hmm, the man page is not very clear |
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| 15:13.00 | greycat | some things have to be tested. |
| 15:13.01 | JJK | greycat, ethics, apache2 is now working as I want it to work! Thank you both. |
| 15:13.28 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i386 or i686 is fine too |
| 15:13.35 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: highmem4gb on |
| 15:13.38 | claudio_ | greycat: ah, " --sparse=auto. Specify --sparse=always to create a sparse DEST file whenever the SOURCE file contains a long enough sequence of zero bytes." |
| 15:13.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok |
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| 15:14.13 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: why don't you make-kpkg -rev LOL.1 kernel_image |
| 15:14.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: oh I forgot to license with GPL o_O |
| 15:14.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it's so easy. but makeing a proper .config is pain |
| 15:14.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: oh well I wrote this for me anyways |
| 15:14.28 | intero | hey tarzeau |
| 15:14.36 | tarzeau | intero: TEH GNUSTEP MAN! |
| 15:14.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no one in their right mind would run I script I wrote :) |
| 15:14.58 | intero | tarzeau: heh, not really :) how are you? |
| 15:14.58 | tarzeau | greycat: hi |
| 15:15.05 | raf256 | [how] can I label a hard disc, and then use it in fstab (like: (discname/partition1)) |
| 15:15.12 | greycat | raf256: man fstab |
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| 15:15.32 | tarzeau | intero: can't wait for gnustep 0.9.6, all the rest is fine |
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| 15:15.55 | raf256 | greycat: it works just with ext2 and reiserfx :/ ? |
| 15:16.07 | tarzeau | raf256: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian.txt |
| 15:16.15 | ethics | raf256 alias? |
| 15:16.19 | nvz | that was too easy I practically fell out the door this morning and got a job |
| 15:16.24 | raf256 | ethics: alias....? |
| 15:16.29 | {xmb} | hoi tar |
| 15:16.46 | intero | tarzeau: hehe. is there a place with some screenshot? |
| 15:16.52 | sep | nvz, just wish those headhunters could be more gentle eh ? |
| 15:17.12 | ethics | raf256 check out the link...ill go look to my way probably is bad hehe |
| 15:17.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: SMP? |
| 15:17.25 | Fleckz | where is prozilla ;( ? |
| 15:17.38 | raf256 | ethics: tarzeau's link isnt quite helpfull actually ;) |
| 15:17.54 | greycat | Fleckz: in hell, I hope. |
| 15:17.55 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes |
| 15:17.59 | nvz | sep: that fell a few hundred yards from me. just on the other side of a large canyon.. I cannot make it to the understanding that lies over yander |
| 15:18.06 | Fleckz | greycat why? |
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| 15:18.09 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 15:18.10 | dpkg | hmm... stop prozilla is http://dominia.org/djao/limitipconn.html -- an apache module to limit concurrent connections from a single IP address, or apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 15:18.10 | tarzeau | intero: screenshots of what? |
| 15:18.19 | tarzeau | raf256: :) |
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| 15:19.18 | greycat | ARGRHHH!!!! gnupg is looking in ~/.pgp/ for shit! |
| 15:19.23 | greycat | !strace++ |
| 15:19.30 | ethics | raf256, well im assuming you want to be able to mount using a nickname or something along those lines ?? |
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| 15:19.55 | raf256 | ethics: yes. I want fstab to work same if I in example switch places of hda with hdc |
| 15:19.59 | intero | tarzeau: new apps and stuff |
| 15:20.08 | tarzeau | intero: emacs.app ? |
| 15:20.15 | tarzeau | intero: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 15:20.37 | xoz | gpg uses .gnupg, right? |
| 15:20.46 | qwertz__ | Is there a recommendable email virus scanner? |
| 15:20.47 | resiak | tarzeau: emacs.app? |
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| 15:20.56 | petemc | qwertz__: clamav |
| 15:20.58 | resiak | tarzeau: That sounds horrific! |
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| 15:21.04 | tarzeau | resiak: it's great. |
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| 15:21.13 | tarzeau | resiak: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/emacs/ |
| 15:21.13 | resiak | tarzeau: Have you got a vim.app yet? |
| 15:21.19 | tarzeau | resiak: vim is bullshit |
| 15:21.21 | nvz | dpkg, karma nvz |
| 15:21.21 | dpkg | nvz has karma of 8 |
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| 15:21.30 | raf256 | ethics: so how can I use thoes "labels"? |
| 15:21.31 | greycat | xoz: yes. and also, apparently, if it exists, .pgp |
| 15:21.33 | nvz | hmm I guess karma does work |
| 15:21.35 | ethics | raf256, ok more confused after that example try another example |
| 15:21.43 | tarzeau | resiak: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/emacs.png |
| 15:21.45 | greycat | xoz: so removing lock files etc. from just ONE didn't suffice. |
| 15:22.05 | intero | tarzeau: whatever :) |
| 15:22.07 | raf256 | entirer: I want fstab to use like label of partitions (or entire HDDs, or they serial nuber etc), |
| 15:22.12 | resiak | tarzeau: Hee hee, emacs 18 :) |
| 15:22.13 | gtigene | How do I add a user to proftpd and specify home directory for user? |
| 15:22.19 | greycat | gtigene: adduser |
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| 15:22.34 | greycat | !l33t ftp |
| 15:22.34 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
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| 15:23.05 | tarzeau | resiak: 18 is openstep one. gnustep one is almost up to date |
| 15:23.07 | raf256 | so that if I move harddrive from primary-master (hda) to slave (hdb) it will still work ok. I can not do that using /dev/hda1 etc in fstab because it will be /dev/hdb1 after hardware switch |
| 15:23.16 | ethics | raf256, oh i c i think...this is for a usbkey or usb hdd? |
| 15:23.16 | resiak | tarzeau: vim is not bullshit! |
| 15:23.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: building |
| 15:23.25 | tarzeau | resiak: i hate vim |
| 15:23.28 | gtigene | greycat: Oh. Thanks. |
| 15:23.34 | raf256 | ethics: no, regular HDD. I just like to switch them. |
| 15:23.35 | jharrisonwk | vim sucks |
| 15:23.38 | jharrisonwk | vi too |
| 15:23.38 | raf256 | ..between boxes |
| 15:23.39 | resiak | tarzeau: :( |
| 15:23.43 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: thank you. i'll be like in starbucks and lug tonight, so i can only try by tomorrow or monday |
| 15:23.47 | tarzeau | resiak: tried mcedit yet? |
| 15:23.52 | resiak | tarzeau: No. |
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| 15:23.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: fine |
| 15:24.04 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i can live with vi. but the colors of vim remind me of knoppix and gentoo |
| 15:24.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: eyecancer! |
| 15:24.07 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ill put on my site in tar.bz2 for you to download |
| 15:24.13 | ethics | raf256, ahh ic...so if sn XXX is on either chain assign it hdc etc |
| 15:24.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: heh |
| 15:24.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what is LUG doing tonight? |
| 15:24.35 | raf256 | ethics: so I would like to label partitions with some names and use thoes name in fstab |
| 15:24.37 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hero , voip stuff |
| 15:24.38 | xoz | greycat: that's not a good thing. what if you have configs/keys on both dirs? which will be prioritized? |
| 15:24.45 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sweet |
| 15:24.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: is hero voip stuff? |
| 15:25.04 | raf256 | Instead of giving the device explicitly, one may indicate the (ext2 or xfs) filesystem that is to be mounted by its UUID or volume label (cf. e2label(8) or xfs_admin(8)), writing LABEL=<label> or UUID=<uuid>, e.g., `LABEL=Boot' [...] |
| 15:25.05 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we cover running a radio station with linux next week |
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| 15:25.15 | raf256 | ^-- can I do same for ext3, reiserfs? |
| 15:25.17 | greycat | xoz: it uses the .pgp dir for legacy PGP 2.x keys I assume. I have no idea WHY it looked in there when I was trying to import Marillat's key. |
| 15:25.38 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you have a lug too now? |
| 15:25.40 | ethics | raf256: hehe i can think of an evil hack hehe |
| 15:25.41 | chemaja | i've got 3 hosts A B and C. I swapped B and C's IP addresses (they each only have an eth0), but it appears A's ARP table isn't updated. So I did "arp -d hostname" for B and C (as root), but ARP cache still appears to be old. How to refresh? man page doesn't give a "global flush" option. |
| 15:25.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: of course |
| 15:25.46 | intero | tarzeau: bye man |
| 15:25.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: #bslug |
| 15:25.56 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: bslug.org |
| 15:25.56 | raf256 | ethics: like...? btw isnt there a normal way to do so? |
| 15:26.01 | tarzeau | intero: cu :) don't forget to visit #gnustep some time |
| 15:26.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: my site is linuxbs.org |
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| 15:26.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: ah true. |
| 15:26.17 | sep | raf256, since ext3 = ext2 + journal i cant see why not |
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| 15:26.35 | raf256 | sep: but what tool to use? e2lable ... is for ext2 |
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| 15:26.42 | intero | tarzeau: will try :) take care |
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| 15:26.44 | chemaja | join #linux |
| 15:26.49 | sep | raf256, just try it on an ext3 youll find out. |
| 15:26.54 | xoz | greycat: i had the same confusion two days and decided to remove both dirs to check what will be created.. turned out .gnupg. maybe, it was to support upgrades but the program should have some info. |
| 15:26.54 | resiak | raf256: ext3 == ext2 for all intents and purposes. |
| 15:26.56 | chemaja | aah crap |
| 15:26.57 | ethics | raf256: these obviously arent your boot drives? |
| 15:27.05 | tarzeau | intero wait |
| 15:27.17 | tarzeau | OUF wanted to show him www.cafepress.com/ubunto |
| 15:27.25 | raf256 | root@lore:/etc# e2label /dev/hda12 foobar |
| 15:27.25 | raf256 | e2label: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda12 |
| 15:27.25 | raf256 | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock |
| 15:27.36 | qwertz__ | petemc, looks impressive thanks for the hint |
| 15:27.40 | greycat | xoz: well, it should be capable of reading the legacy keys in .pgp as long as it's got the IDEA module and whatever the other is... patents are expired now, right? |
| 15:27.51 | resiak | raf256: Use tune2fs to label it. I did. It _MUST_ be unmounted first. |
| 15:27.54 | xoz | greycat: not yer |
| 15:27.55 | xoz | greycat: not yet |
| 15:27.57 | raf256 | omfg, cant fstab use serial numbers of hdd or something? |
| 15:27.57 | greycat | xoz: but I don't see why it had lock files in .pgp |
| 15:28.00 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 15:28.06 | zcold | is it best to use the nvidia driver installer from the website, or to do eveything in apt? and does anyone have links for some sources for the drivers..? |
| 15:28.11 | raf256 | resiak: ok... reboot to knoppix then |
| 15:28.15 | xoz | greycat: i read somewhere in the readme that another year or two. |
| 15:28.16 | resiak | raf256: *nod* |
| 15:28.22 | raf256 | !beer resiak |
| 15:28.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what is hero |
| 15:28.41 | sep | zcold, use /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 15:28.49 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: dict hero ? |
| 15:28.50 | zcold | :) thnx |
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| 15:29.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: know nethack? the @ is the hero |
| 15:29.13 | xoz | greycat: but you can pull a module for idea from a website... it's just that it can't be distributed due to patent. |
| 15:29.45 | dondelelcaro | does anyone know if there is a copy number option in gpdf? |
| 15:30.14 | dondelelcaro | (or more importantly, where the option is?) |
| 15:30.16 | ethics | resiak: and the others who were part of that.... just to clarify for myself you can do what he was asking in fstab or its more of a hotplug/discover/hwdetecting thing ? |
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| 15:30.22 | xoz | greycat: better to remove the .pgp dir to force it to use just one config .dir, maybe? |
| 15:30.25 | resiak | ethics: fstab. |
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| 15:31.11 | ethics | resiak, cute ill have to read up on it...sounds useless to me atm hehe so ill find out how i would use it hehe |
| 15:31.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ah |
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| 15:32.05 | resiak | ethics: I use it to make gnome-volume-manager put certain firewire disks in certain places, but you can have LABEL=badger rather that /dev/hdb3 in fstab and that works too. |
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| 15:33.34 | mad_ogre | hi, i can setup exim4 to receive internet mail directly, but i can't send outgoing mail. any ideas? |
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| 15:34.02 | gtigene | When I run "proftpd -n" with ServerType standalone, I get message "Failed binding to 0.0.0.0 port 21. Address already in use. Check ServerType." What can this mean? |
| 15:34.03 | jharrisonwk | dennis is cat 4 now with 150mph winds and 938mb pressure |
| 15:34.15 | jharrisonwk | increase to 155mph will make it cat 5 |
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| 15:34.31 | sep | gtigene, probably a ftp server is allready running kill it |
| 15:34.31 | jharrisonwk | about to hit cuba |
| 15:34.34 | stew | can i get the kernel command line somewhere out of /proc? |
| 15:34.39 | jharrisonwk | thats going to hurt the cigar crops |
| 15:34.42 | SDFH_Linux | someone is going to get it good soon |
| 15:35.09 | sep | steve, /proc/cmdline |
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| 15:35.26 | FieldySnuts | !do jharrisonwk |
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| 15:35.45 | steve | sep: what? |
| 15:36.06 | bgtroll | !do bgtroll |
| 15:36.07 | stew | sep: thanks |
| 15:36.11 | stew | sep: he meant me |
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| 15:36.18 | stew | err steve |
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| 15:36.28 | steve | lol |
| 15:36.36 | gtigene | sep, thanks, yes it sure sounds like it. This is news to me since I am the only one who ever touches this computer. |
| 15:36.39 | kds | Wine helpers here? |
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| 15:36.55 | steve | kds: I will help you with wine any day ;) |
| 15:37.00 | sep | steve, sorry |
| 15:37.04 | jharrisonwk | FieldySnuts: ? |
| 15:37.11 | kds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.18 | kds | fixme:advapi:GetFileSecurityW (L"X:\\GLF4f72.tmp") : returns fake SECURITY_DESCRIPTOR |
| 15:37.18 | ethics | what does hald actually do? |
| 15:37.23 | Ronin | kds: why not just use gaim? |
| 15:37.24 | kds | fixme:ntdll:RtlImpersonateSelf (00000001), stub |
| 15:37.28 | ethics | strugling to find a google link |
| 15:37.35 | kds | I'm using gaim. |
| 15:37.57 | kds | I'm just fiddling with Wine applications these days. Trying to make them work under Wine. |
| 15:37.57 | Ronin | so then why yahoo messenger in wine? it do somethign gaim cant? |
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| 15:38.34 | gtigene | How can I tell what process is using port 21? |
| 15:38.50 | sep | gtigene, netstat -plone |
| 15:38.52 | kds | I have been running away from setting up Wine on my system for so many months. Now that I have got it running, I wanted to test a few applications with it. |
| 15:39.00 | gtigene | sep: thank you. |
| 15:39.29 | sep | gtigene, btw if you configured it for beeing run from inet, then the inetd daemon will be using it (naturally) |
| 15:39.35 | ethics | kds theres a page with configs for some stuff...links from winehq to them so you can understand some of the variations... |
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| 15:40.04 | xoz | kds: it's a black art. don't waste your time on wine. run windows apps in windooose. otherwise, use alternative progs in debian. |
| 15:40.24 | ethics | kds: dreamweavver, some of ms office, some useful thinkgs too, kazaa lite for the per to peer freaks .. |
| 15:40.45 | kds | xoz: Windows is booted on my system like once in 2months and that just for updates! |
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| 15:41.14 | zulkifar | Hi. Would anybody help me with routing? Everything looks working fine, except of some things like 'nmap' which returns error: "WARNING: Could not determine what interface to route packets through to 62.205.163.156, changing ping scantype to ICMP ping only. \n pcap_open_live: ioctl: No such device..." + 10 lines more. Where is the problem? |
| 15:41.42 | ethics | kds: depending on what you are looking to run its sometime fruitful but personally i think it's main use would be to move away from MS oferating systems while keeping legacy custom VB apps etc... |
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| 15:41.56 | ethics | kds but its getting better etc.... |
| 15:42.06 | xoz | kds: either live in debian's way or window's way. there are many apps in debian that can substitute windows apps. |
| 15:42.53 | ethics | kds between wine and transgaming/cedega theres going to be some interesting ports...also i feel that microsoft may give some keys away if they hack the xbox 360...but its all speculation |
| 15:42.56 | sep | zulkifar, you obviously have multiple interfaces use nmap -e <interface> to tell it what to use |
| 15:43.02 | kds | xoz: I live the "Linux" way. I use Linux almost exclusively. This is a testing phase for wine only. |
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| 15:44.34 | xoz | kds: then, goodluck! be self-reliant ;) |
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| 15:45.02 | lilliput | hi all :) |
| 15:45.10 | jasoncohen | how do i stop cron from sending mail. i would like it to just log the output. |
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| 15:45.20 | Miliardo | So,Is it possible that Sid become Debian GNU/Linux 4.0...? |
| 15:45.28 | Eulex | Miliardo, no |
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| 15:45.45 | ke6isf | sid=current unstable, right? |
| 15:45.47 | xoz | !3.1++ |
| 15:45.54 | zulkifar | sep: I've tried that too. Same result :( |
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| 15:46.06 | Eulex | Miliardo, sid will always be unstable -- though there will be a new testing after etch |
| 15:46.09 | jasoncohen | in order to ensure that my cron-apt reports have a real recipient/sender address i had to set up a canonical map in postfix. however, now cron is sending mails to my real email address to. i would just like to stop these cron emails. |
| 15:46.10 | xoz | dpkg, you don't know increment? |
| 15:46.12 | Miliardo | Always? |
| 15:46.19 | lilliput | just wonder if someone know how to correct this kind of error with apt-get :: Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 72. |
| 15:46.33 | Eulex | Miliardo, yes, always |
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| 15:46.44 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: I'm looking for something in crontab(5). |
| 15:46.47 | lilliput | what perl paquet is missing ?? |
| 15:46.53 | xoz | lilliput: what package? |
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| 15:47.04 | ethics | hmm busy day at slashdot it would seem |
| 15:47.08 | sep | zulkifar, your specifying what interfaces to use, and nmap complains it cant figure out what interfaces to use, either your doing it wrong, or file a bug report with nmap |
| 15:47.10 | Miliardo | Then Sid will never become a stable or testing release. |
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| 15:47.17 | liable | no |
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| 15:47.22 | linuxAS | hi |
| 15:47.22 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, i read if you added a "2>&1" to the cron job it would log it directly |
| 15:47.23 | lilliput | s/what/which, sorry xoz |
| 15:47.27 | Eulex | Miliardo, no |
| 15:47.33 | sep | !win Miliardo |
| 15:47.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, Miliardo! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 15:47.47 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: Have you tried that with any success? |
| 15:48.12 | Eulex | Miliardo, there will come a new testing after etch, and it will not be named sid |
| 15:48.21 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, i haven't tried it. i'm looking for a way to disable mail delivery on all cron jobs since i don't need it and it'll clutter my mailbox |
| 15:48.32 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: got it, I think. |
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| 15:48.47 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, how? |
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| 15:49.19 | ke6isf | Set the MAILTO option to "" (MAILTO="") in the crontab, it looks like. See man 5 crontab. |
| 15:49.19 | Eulex | yay, I just burnt a well working using k3b when root! though it still doesn't work when I'm normal user -- though I've added myself to the group cdrom and done chgrp cdrom /dev/scd0 and cdgrp cdrom /dev/sr0 |
| 15:49.33 | ke6isf | It's 3 screen pages down in a standard 25 line terminal. |
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| 15:49.39 | Miliardo | I got it...Thanks |
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| 15:50.15 | xoz | Eulex: tried re-login? |
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| 15:50.36 | Eulex | xoz, nope, haven't |
| 15:50.38 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, thanks, i'll check it out |
| 15:50.43 | Eulex | I'll do that |
| 15:50.45 | ke6isf | Gladly. |
| 15:50.49 | Eulex | brb |
| 15:51.18 | Esaj_ | how do I set my system hostname> |
| 15:51.28 | Miliardo | ........ |
| 15:51.30 | resiak | !tell Esaj_ -about hostname |
| 15:51.36 | Miliardo | Enn... |
| 15:52.02 | Miliardo | edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname if my memory is correct.... |
| 15:52.08 | sep | Esaj_, in addition to that, also check out /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts |
| 15:52.17 | Fleckz | greycat prozilla rocks, i have bad i-net, and, with prozilla a can download something ... at least |
| 15:52.52 | gtigene | sep: I dont see 21 when I give the command "netstat -plone." But if I try to ftp to the host it says Connection Closed by Remote Host. Does it still sound like the port is in use (I don't know)? |
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| 15:53.08 | Miliardo | The kernel shipped with debian 3.1 always disable the IRQ used of my USB Controller.... |
| 15:53.13 | Miliardo | It's terrible... |
| 15:53.24 | sep | gtigene, you learn that when you try to start your ftp server again |
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| 15:54.00 | Miliardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.05 | Miliardo | Is it a bug? |
| 15:54.26 | jharrisonwk | what do you guys think of scons? |
| 15:54.36 | gtigene | sep: I still get "address in use" when I try to start proftpd. But I don't see 21 in the netstat. |
| 15:54.44 | ke6isf | What in tarnations is using port 915? |
| 15:55.25 | `chris | ke6isf: netstat -anp | grep 915 |
| 15:55.48 | Miliardo | gtigene:In fact,I got the same problem when I tried to start a ftp daemon. |
| 15:55.55 | sep | gtigene, have you meddles with the config file ? |
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| 15:56.30 | ke6isf | 'wnck-applet'. |
| 15:56.34 | sep | gtigene, netstat -na | grep :21 |
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| 15:57.34 | gtigene | sep: I changed ServerType to standalone but didnt' change anything else. By the way, netstat -anp shows port 21 belonging to inetd. So I guess that explains it? |
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| 15:57.53 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, ok, i set it to MAILTO="" |
| 15:58.08 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: All you can do then is kinda wait and see what happens. |
| 15:58.13 | sep | gtigene, purge and reinstall, or dpkg-reconfigure proftpd , you probably have inet there listening |
| 15:58.37 | sep | gtigene, basicaly you changed from inet to standalone in the wrong fashion. |
| 15:58.38 | Miliardo | to gtigene:You configured you inetd with something wrong... |
| 15:58.59 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, is that correct though? the man page shows (MAILTO="") but then says MAILTO=paul |
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| 15:59.35 | Miliardo | When you changed ftpd from Inetd to standalong, you must edit your /etc/inetd.conf and restart your ftpd. |
| 16:00.19 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, here it shows as MAILTO="admin@mydomain.com" |
| 16:00.22 | gtigene | sep: inetd must be configured to start ftp when it is needed, right? |
| 16:00.23 | jasoncohen | http://www.mkaz.com/reference/unix_cron.html |
| 16:00.41 | sep | gtigene, not when you use standalone |
| 16:00.54 | sep | gtigene, purge and reinstall proftpd, that is idiot proof. |
| 16:01.07 | Miliardo | How can I make my own Debian CD with my preferred packages in 1 CD? |
| 16:01.15 | stouset | jigdo |
| 16:01.21 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: Well, unless you're running at mydomain.com or you're named paul (presumably a reference to Paul Vixie), then there's no need to worry about those. |
| 16:01.24 | gtigene | sep, Milliardo: thanks. |
| 16:01.30 | stouset | Miliardo: jigdo |
| 16:01.31 | qwertz__ | Tried to setup clamav, added av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl to exim's config clamav is running as user Debian-exim. But when I send an email with the eicar virus attached I don't get any header set - anyone knows where to look for? |
| 16:01.52 | sep | qwertz__, you restarted exim ofcouse ? |
| 16:01.55 | Miliardo | stouset:jugdo always Download FULL IMAGES OF DEBIAN.... |
| 16:02.03 | qwertz__ | sep, yes |
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| 16:02.06 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, yeah, i just thought the format was strange. they showed MAILTO="" In parentheses but MAILTO=paul didn't have parentheses or quotations |
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| 16:02.35 | sep | Miliardo, , an unconfigured jigido does that, you can modify the template youself. |
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| 16:02.46 | greycat | Fleckz: prozilla makes multiple simultaneous connections to a web server for the SAME FILE. This blocks other users from connecting. THAT'S how it 'accelerates' the download -- by denying anyone else a slot. |
| 16:02.48 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: The variables seem to relate to shell syntax - so just setting 'MAILTO=' may not get you anywhere. |
| 16:02.52 | Miliardo | Got it ... |
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| 16:03.19 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: As such, you need the quotes to explicitely define a null address. |
| 16:03.26 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, ok |
| 16:03.45 | Miliardo | But .. I think it will never be so smart just like apt... |
| 16:03.57 | Eulex | I tried logging out and in -- and I still can't burn cd's when I'm normal user, though I can do it when root |
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| 16:04.15 | ke6isf | Eulex: What are the symptoms? |
| 16:04.46 | greycat | Eulex: woody? sarge? IDE burner? SCSI? ide-scsi emulation in 2.4? ide-cd in 2.6? |
| 16:04.48 | Eulex | ke6isf, wait, I'm gonna get the full error message... |
| 16:04.55 | greycat | !DETAILS |
| 16:04.56 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
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| 16:05.29 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, thanks for your help |
| 16:05.35 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: No problem. |
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| 16:06.07 | greycat | !pal *!~knoppix@* |
| 16:06.10 | zophyx | my toe hurts when i wal or wear shoes and i think this girl likes me but i'm not sure can anyone help me ? |
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| 16:06.32 | resiak | raf256: Change your IRC username |
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| 16:06.37 | Shay | !tell zophyx about sex |
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| 16:07.01 | Eulex | greycat, etch, scsi burner that needs #undef ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI to be changed to #define ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI in libata.h in the kernel sources to work at all, then it needs a recent kernel to burn reliably, so I'm running a custom 2.6.12.1, and I know about details, I'm right now gonna get the full error message... |
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| 16:07.11 | ke6isf | zophyx: (re shoes) Don't wear those shoes, then. |
| 16:07.16 | Shay | zophyx, and man hurtingtoe; man woman |
| 16:07.45 | ke6isf | Eulex: And now *we* know. |
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| 16:07.56 | zophyx | thanks, you guys are are wonderful |
| 16:08.01 | Shay | np |
| 16:08.03 | greycat | Eulex: was the box installed as sarge, or as woody? in other words, is the device node (/dev/hdc or similar) owned by the cdrom group yet, or still by disk? |
| 16:08.09 | EsajEsaj | is there a font package containing "Square721 Ex BT" somewhere? |
| 16:08.11 | gtigene | sep: It won't remove or purge proftpd because it says dependency problems and proftpd-mysql, proftp-pgsql and proftpd-ldap are not installed. |
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| 16:08.40 | Eulex | greycat, /dev/hdc does not exist |
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| 16:08.51 | Shay | zophyx, and if you really think that we helped you, you can make a donation |
| 16:08.54 | ke6isf | Eulex: Where is your burner, then? |
| 16:08.55 | greycat | oh great. |
| 16:09.08 | greycat | udev or devfs poisoning on top of the other issues. |
| 16:09.20 | Eulex | and I got a strange error while starting k3b -- it complained about something called dcopserver, and now it doesn't see the burner |
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| 16:09.32 | Miliardo | How to customize jigdo templete file? |
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| 16:09.51 | Eulex | ke6isf, /dev/scd0 |
| 16:10.05 | ke6isf | OK, then ownership accordingly. |
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| 16:10.35 | DiegoElias | hello... any guy use named = |
| 16:10.35 | sep | gtigene, it cant remove proftpd becouse proftpd-mysql isnt installed... that makes no sense you know.. you must be reading it wrong |
| 16:10.38 | DiegoElias | hello... any guy use named + mysql ? |
| 16:10.43 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:10.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 16:10.49 | greycat | ask #dns |
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| 16:10.56 | sep | gtigene, you didnt happen to try to install all of the proftp-* packaged i hope ? |
| 16:10.58 | raf256 | hi \o/ |
| 16:11.20 | sep | DiegoElias, named+mysql is not working use pdns+mysql |
| 16:11.38 | Miliardo | How to customize jigdo template file? |
| 16:11.39 | ke6isf | sep: Just use named and plaintext zonefiles if you're going to use named. |
| 16:11.42 | Eulex | ke6isf, ls -al lists "brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2005-07-08 17:30 /dev/scd0", and I am in the cdrom group |
| 16:11.46 | sep | Miliardo, vi or nano or whatever |
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| 16:11.49 | ke6isf | oops... never mind, sep. Meant DiegoElias. |
| 16:12.10 | gtigene | sep: My boss is calling got to go. Thanks for all your help. Later |
| 16:12.13 | ke6isf | greycat: Tag. What Eulex told me. |
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| 16:12.27 | raf256 | how can I quickly let a computer connected via eth0 to use my Internet connection (that is working on eth1)? I want to name my local network (eth0) as 10.0.x.x .... |
| 16:12.29 | Anti-T` | hi |
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| 16:12.46 | Anti-T` | my local is lock on POSIX |
| 16:12.49 | greycat | raf256: read the IP masquerading howto |
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| 16:12.57 | Anti-T` | i try dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 16:12.59 | Anti-T` | reboot |
| 16:13.00 | kittonian | hi all |
| 16:13.02 | raf256 | greenfly, with one / where |
| 16:13.04 | Anti-T` | and same result |
| 16:13.05 | raf256 | whops |
| 16:13.10 | simonrvn | W000T ON A NOTRE DSL :D |
| 16:13.13 | raf256 | greycat, with one / where |
| 16:13.14 | Anti-T` | always posix |
| 16:13.20 | greycat | Anti-T`: you will have enormous difficulty with unix if you do not learn how to spell and/or type correctly. |
| 16:13.29 | sep | raf256, configure interfaces file up the interface, then install and configure shorewall. |
| 16:13.31 | Kizmet | raf256, my masqureding |
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| 16:13.39 | kittonian | this is a silly question but is there a way to find out what was installed and where when compiling something from source (and/or a command to remove everything that was installed after running make install)? |
| 16:13.41 | Eulex | ke6isf, I'll have to go know for a few minutes, I'll let my box reboot while I'm away, to see if that fixes the dcopserver error |
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| 16:13.51 | simonrvn | partay time! |
| 16:13.57 | raf256 | sep is shorewall the best way/why not just use iftables -A something PREROUTING ... ? |
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| 16:14.04 | PeTeRB | !beer simonrvn |
| 16:14.04 | Anti-T` | greycat: it s a debian bug |
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| 16:14.19 | greycat | Anti-T`: your inability to spell 'locales' correctly is not Debian's fault. |
| 16:14.29 | greycat | !tell Anti-T` about locales |
| 16:14.31 | simonrvn | Kizmet: i have a ipv4 /28 and a /48 ipv6 |
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| 16:14.33 | DiegoElias | ok |
| 16:14.41 | greycat | !wikifaq Anti-T` DotFiles |
| 16:14.42 | dpkg | Anti-T`: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:14.43 | Kizmet | simonrvn, hehe :) |
| 16:15.04 | sep | raf256, becouse i know how to use shorewall and dont want to bug with iptables directly |
| 16:15.05 | Kizmet | simonrvn, is the IPv6 net native or tunneled ? |
| 16:15.11 | Anti-T` | hum greycat u dont anderstand |
| 16:15.13 | simonrvn | tunneled :| |
| 16:15.21 | Anti-T` | i know how to change locales |
| 16:15.25 | Kizmet | simonrvn, native :) |
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| 16:15.33 | Anti-T` | i said it doen't change |
| 16:15.36 | zulkifar | sep: looks like a bug. |
| 16:15.44 | zulkifar | sep: I use several routing tables and have NO default route in 'main' one. So I can nmap sites to which there are direct routes in main but can't the others. |
| 16:15.44 | simonrvn | oh, speaking of which, oh i took care of that... re-setting up my OCCAID tunnel with another EINTAP |
| 16:15.46 | sep | raf256, www.shorewall.net have a 2 interface quickstart |
| 16:15.51 | greycat | Anti-T`: you sure as hell didn't *demonstrate* such knowledge here. |
| 16:15.55 | simonrvn | local one this time |
| 16:16.03 | greycat | 12:12 Anti-T`> i try dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 16:16.06 | greycat | that command will fail. |
| 16:16.07 | Anti-T` | /etc/environment |
| 16:16.10 | Anti-T` | is goot |
| 16:16.10 | resiak | Anti-T`: You haven't changed your LANG variables and so on. |
| 16:16.13 | Anti-T` | good |
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| 16:16.46 | Anti-T` | resiak: i upgrade my sid and now impossible to change locales |
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| 16:16.53 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:16.53 | resiak | Anti-T`: BTS? |
| 16:16.54 | Anti-T` | only by export |
| 16:17.04 | Anti-T` | what is bts ? |
| 16:17.10 | resiak | !btssmite Anti-T` |
| 16:17.10 | Anti-T` | i french |
| 16:17.11 | greycat | life's too fucking short to deal with idiots like that. |
| 16:17.12 | Anti-T` | i m |
| 16:17.22 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 16:17.22 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 16:17.39 | resiak | !tell Anti-T` -about sid faq |
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| 16:17.42 | ke6isf | !beer greycat |
| 16:17.56 | sep | !fr |
| 16:17.56 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 16:18.01 | biblio | hola |
| 16:18.03 | Anti-T` | ok resiak |
| 16:18.06 | Kizmet | !en |
| 16:18.06 | dpkg | english, you twit |
| 16:18.11 | Kizmet | lol |
| 16:18.24 | Gnea | any ffmpeg experts around? i'm trying to combine a sequence of many .png files into a divx -> ffmpeg -y -r 30 -vcodec ljpeg -i '%d.png' new.avi <- this isn't working too well... |
| 16:18.33 | resiak | !tell Kizmet -about msgdpkg |
| 16:18.43 | biblio | hola |
| 16:18.52 | Miliardo | What tool can help me to edit .template file of jigdo..? |
| 16:18.56 | gtigene | sep: Yes, it makes no sense to me either. I didn't install proftp-*, I just installed proftpd, proftpd-common and proftpd-doc. I have since removed proftpd-doc. |
| 16:18.58 | MasterYoda | so what is the status on xorg? I have read the pages, but how close are we? I am not trying to rush it or anything... I know I can just upgrade when the come out ya know, just wondering... |
| 16:19.04 | ke6isf | !xorg |
| 16:19.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 16:19.16 | Anti-T` | i dont need faq |
| 16:19.23 | Anti-T` | ok well |
| 16:19.26 | Anti-T` | cya |
| 16:19.28 | ke6isf | Anti-T`: And there's your problem. |
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| 16:19.36 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:20.09 | Miliardo | What tool can help me to edit .template file of jigdo..?Help...................... |
| 16:20.34 | ke6isf | biblio: en ingles, por favo... doh! |
| 16:20.39 | resiak | Gnea: The ffmpeg channel? |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | !xorg debs |
| 16:21.06 | dpkg | As per 2005-07-05's DWN, some pre-unstable debs are now at http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg/ (sarge backports at http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/) |
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| 16:21.22 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
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| 16:22.26 | ke6isf | Anyone know just how stable the sarge xorg backports are? |
| 16:22.37 | Miliardo | What tool can help me to edit .template file of jigdo..?Help...................... |
| 16:22.44 | Miliardo | Which tool can help me to edit .template file of jigdo..?Help...................... |
| 16:22.45 | resiak | !tell Miliardo -about repeat |
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| 16:23.02 | greycat | ke6isf: I know how you could find out. |
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| 16:23.15 | ke6isf | greycat: ...run it, I'm sure. =) |
| 16:23.20 | greycat | ;-) |
| 16:23.21 | MasterYoda | greycat: thanks, what is what I was looking for |
| 16:23.36 | greycat | !tell MasterYoda about dwn |
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| 16:23.45 | MasterYoda | greycat: maybe I should read dwn more often |
| 16:23.53 | MasterYoda | greycat: I have slacked off lately |
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| 16:25.14 | kittonian | how do I run a locate command to locate all files that were created today |
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| 16:25.22 | greycat | kittonian: man updatedb |
| 16:25.34 | greycat | kittonian: or I think you actually want find(1) |
| 16:25.53 | mlalkaka | is it possible to set up the "print screen" key to take a screen shot in linux? |
| 16:26.04 | greycat | !possible |
| 16:26.04 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 16:26.17 | greycat | tell your window manager to bind it to a command |
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| 16:27.20 | [2HMC] | question : how do i enable a modem, it is detected and pointed at 3000 on the kinfo but it says its disabled |
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| 16:27.56 | [2HMC] | kppp states there is no /dev/modem |
| 16:28.05 | greycat | try pppconfig |
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| 16:28.33 | [2HMC] | greaycat : thank you i will |
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| 16:28.59 | mlalkaka | ok. let me rephrase the question then: how can i set up my system so that the "print screen" key will take a screen shot of the root window. preferably, it should work independent of the window manager/desktop environment that is being used. |
| 16:29.01 | raf256 | 120 BG have how meany MB (1024*1024)? |
| 16:29.04 | raf256 | 120 GB HDD have how meany MB (1024*1024)? |
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| 16:29.21 | raf256 | 120*1000^2 / 1024^2 right? |
| 16:29.53 | gtigene | sep: It seems to be working now. I will just forget about standalone ServerType and let inetd run it. Thanks for you help. |
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| 16:29.59 | sep | raf256, that's a religious question 1000 vs 1024, and a hd labled 120GB have never exactly that number anyway |
| 16:30.06 | mlalkaka | greycat, i already tried that in gnome. it doesn't seem to work. now i'm looking for a wm/de independent solution |
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| 16:30.20 | resiak | mlalkaka: Not going to happen. |
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| 16:30.25 | raf256 | sep, so "120 gb hdd" have 120 * 1024^2 or *100^2 ? |
| 16:30.27 | resiak | mlalkaka: xbindkeys, maybe. |
| 16:30.37 | sep | raf256, in my religion it has 1024 |
| 16:30.39 | DSNovato | saludis |
| 16:30.41 | DSNovato | o |
| 16:30.46 | raf256 | xbindkeys for non-kde, kde have shortucts |
| 16:30.55 | mlalkaka | resiak, isn't there a way of binding it to a command like ctrl+alt+backspace is? |
| 16:30.58 | DSNovato | :-) |
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| 16:31.05 | resiak | mlalkaka: Possibly, but... |
| 16:31.27 | sbk | Folks, have a question about process vmsize, and sbrk, and how (and if they do) relate. I assumed that the vmsize basically reflects code + data + stack sizes. I assumed too, that the (heap) data grows from the bottom, and stack grows down from the top of addressable space. Therefore, if I have a vmsize of X, and (for the sake of argument) the stack size is small, I expected sbrk() to report something close to X. But it is quite |
| 16:31.27 | sbk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.43 | raf256 | how much space is enought for '/' (Assuming other /usr /lib /boot /etc have own partitons)... 1 GB will do? |
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| 16:32.08 | greycat | raf256: you forgot /var |
| 16:32.16 | greycat | and /lib should NOT be outside of root |
| 16:32.24 | greycat | nor should /etc |
| 16:32.26 | juergen8 | Nirgal: i have the problem, that kmail is segfaulting. |
| 16:32.30 | mlalkaka | resiak, but what? |
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| 16:32.40 | resiak | mlalkaka: *shrug* |
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| 16:33.39 | sep | raf256, dont forget /tmp and /home |
| 16:33.44 | valdyn | raf256: what about your /tmp ? |
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| 16:33.53 | deblin | I'm having a couple of problems with apt-get source -b. The first is getting it to use MAKEFLAGS. Basically, nothing compiles properly if I set MAKEFLAGS to "-j 3", but if I unset MAKEFLAGS, it works perfectly. |
| 16:33.54 | de_latz | where do I find the init script for the shoutcast server installed via apt-get? |
| 16:34.10 | sep | raf256, and with only lib and etc on / ou could have 100Mb depending on how many kernel-images you have installed. so 1GB is plenty |
| 16:34.11 | djw | I upgrade to the unstable version which is meant to be fixed, but I get the same error |
| 16:34.27 | deblin | de_latz: dpkg -L pkgname will probably show you. |
| 16:34.37 | joloc_ | gnome-panel going haywire, unkillable. how can i reset to sane default? gconf? |
| 16:34.39 | greycat | deblin: sounds like you have solved your own problem. |
| 16:34.46 | de_latz | deblin thx a lot |
| 16:34.46 | de_latz | =) |
| 16:34.51 | Gnea | resiak: thanks, heh, next thing you know there'll be a #ls |
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| 16:34.58 | resiak | Gnea: Heheh |
| 16:35.03 | greycat | wow, what a surprise... not found. |
| 16:35.08 | valdyn | raf256: i would rething if you really want to split up partitions like that, and for what purpose. |
| 16:35.09 | deblin | greycat: erm, not really. that's a (poor) workaround in my opinion. I'd like to compile with -j 3 obviously to improve performance. |
| 16:35.21 | resiak | deblin: Look at apt-build. |
| 16:35.35 | deblin | greycat: umm, it does run more jobs, but then none of hte compiles work properly. |
| 16:35.38 | greycat | where is this MAKEFLAGS thing supposed to be documented? |
| 16:35.46 | raf256 | Im moving to another HDD, I can copy all partitins using cp -ar but what should I use to duplicate boot+MBR? just dd first.... 512 bytes? will it work since geometry differs? can I use knoppix to rebuild MBR for GRUB/ |
| 16:35.49 | deblin | resiak: I've used apt-build, yes, but shouldn't dpkg-buildpackage work with MAKEFLAGS? |
| 16:35.56 | deblin | greycat: man make |
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| 16:36.06 | greycat | nope, not in man dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 16:36.27 | deblin | greycat: of course not, it's a make environment variable. |
| 16:36.33 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.33 | sep | raf256, boot can be copied as any other partition, and for MBR i'd use grub-install |
| 16:36.33 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.33 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:36.39 | greycat | That's the only reference to it in make(1). |
| 16:36.43 | Eulex | I found out what the error was -- /dev/sg0 was in the group root, not in cdrom. there seem to be several devices associated with my cd burner -- /dev/scd0 (which I use when mounting), /dev/sr0 (which gnome baker lists), and /dev/sg0 (which k3b apparently tried to use) |
| 16:37.03 | Eulex | and I dunno the difference |
| 16:37.24 | Eulex | anyway, I can burn as user now :) |
| 16:37.25 | joloc_ | how can i reset gnome-panel to its initial settings? after i fiddled with it, gnome-panel goes crazy every time i start a gnome session. |
| 16:37.29 | deblin | greycat: what's your point? MAKEFLAGS is a perfectly well known environment variable. |
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| 16:37.34 | greycat | 12:07 Eulex> greycat, etch, scsi burner that needs #undef ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI to |
| 16:37.36 | skateinmars | re les gens |
| 16:37.37 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | Eulex: how the hell is it using the SCSI devices if you're running 2.6.x? |
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| 16:37.57 | Seb | skateinmars: mauvais channel mec :) |
| 16:38.04 | skateinmars | lollll |
| 16:38.10 | skateinmars | sorry everybody |
| 16:38.12 | raf256 | Is the /opt partitoon actually used by anything? |
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| 16:38.17 | greycat | it's *actually* a scsi device? not emulated? oh, sorry. |
| 16:38.18 | kittonian | alright I read the man page and I still can't figure out the correct syntax. I keep trying things and it's showing me varied results. i do a find * -daystart -atime 1 and I get a bunch of results but they aren't accurate. I want to see everything from 10am this morning until now that was created. |
| 16:38.30 | valdyn | Eulex: /dev/sr0 and /dev/scd0 is identical, sg0 is scsi generic and by default only accessible by root. |
| 16:38.37 | raf256 | with progams use /opt ? |
| 16:38.39 | Eulex | greycat, yeah, it's a rea scsi device |
| 16:38.43 | Whisky_ | i set my system's hostname by "hostname myhost" but on reboot it faded. What should I do to set my hostname on bootup ? |
| 16:38.43 | Eulex | *real |
| 16:38.53 | greycat | kittonian: -mmin |
| 16:38.58 | Seb | Whisky_: edit /etc/hostname |
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| 16:39.02 | kittonian | greycat: I tried that too |
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| 16:39.03 | Eulex | valdyn, ok |
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| 16:39.18 | greycat | kittonian: atime is access time, not modification time. |
| 16:39.24 | chemaja | raf256: IIRC, you can use apt-file to craft such a query |
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| 16:39.32 | greycat | mtime is modification time, ctime is metadata-change time |
| 16:39.39 | Whisky_ | Seb: I was about to do that but therewas no such file so i quit |
| 16:39.39 | kittonian | maybe I'm just not thinking correctly but what would you type for that command? |
| 16:39.40 | Whisky_ | anyway |
| 16:39.41 | Whisky_ | thanks |
| 16:39.42 | Whisky_ | brb |
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| 16:40.07 | greycat | kittonian: the *best* and *simplest* way is to touch(1) a file with the magic timestamp you want, then use find . -newer ... |
| 16:40.40 | stew | raf256: /opt is similar to /usr/local but directories in /opt should be self contained, read fhs |
| 16:40.54 | valdyn | Eulex: udev + hal might adjust sg0 group, i dont know. |
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| 16:41.45 | Eulex | valdyn, ok |
| 16:41.53 | raf256 | !fhs |
| 16:41.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
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| 16:42.05 | galanj | wenas |
| 16:42.11 | FieldySnuts | !irritate galanj |
| 16:42.12 | dpkg | galanj: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 16:42.14 | jethro | heh |
| 16:42.18 | FieldySnuts | close |
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| 16:42.30 | jethro | does wenas mean something? |
| 16:42.32 | FieldySnuts | was hoping it would say "wenas who uses dvd" or similar |
| 16:42.35 | greycat | not only iz it old, but it wants you to get off its lawn. |
| 16:42.38 | FieldySnuts | hello i think |
| 16:42.43 | FieldySnuts | greycat: heh |
| 16:42.53 | galanj | yes |
| 16:42.58 | galanj | hello = wenass |
| 16:42.58 | raf256 | Debian is compilant with with FHS? btw, will debian support soon the imho cool idea of /~/*/etc directories? |
| 16:42.59 | galanj | srry |
| 16:43.13 | galanj | i think this was spanish channel |
| 16:43.15 | raf256 | ~/*/etc/foobar is way better then ~/*/.foobar IMHO |
| 16:43.15 | apt | raf256: okay |
| 16:43.20 | FieldySnuts | fhs is an annoyance |
| 16:43.26 | raf256 | apt, O_o ...? |
| 16:43.34 | jethro | apt: forget /*/etc/foobar |
| 16:43.34 | apt | i forgot /*/etc/foobar, jethro |
| 16:43.38 | galanj | where can i found a VIM irc channel? yhanks |
| 16:43.39 | jredburn | Is anyone aware of a system/tool that allows me to manage a bunch of machine's package repositories from a central server (essentially, remote apt with cached package data) |
| 16:43.44 | jethro | raf256: ~ triggers apt |
| 16:43.50 | raf256 | galanj, try...... #vim |
| 16:43.50 | greycat | galanj: boy, there's a tough question. |
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| 16:44.28 | Eulex | raf256, yeah, dot-directories usually clutter every home directory... |
| 16:44.30 | cplx | Can someone assist me.. I have phpsysinfo installed.. its showing some hardware but not others.. like its showing the IDE Devices, Memory Usage, mounted file systems, but no network information |
| 16:44.32 | cplx | or hostnames |
| 16:44.41 | simonrvn | ~/etc would be nice |
| 16:44.45 | raf256 | !cheer ~/etc |
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| 16:45.25 | kittonian | ok so I created a temp file and touched it with the correct starting time I want to use. Now I need to use the find command but how do I tell it to start newer than the file I just created? |
| 16:45.37 | greycat | kittonian: find /blah -newer /tmp/myfile |
| 16:45.38 | FieldySnuts | man find |
| 16:45.46 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.49 | kittonian | ahh |
| 16:45.54 | galanj | someone knows how to extend and compress the code with VIM??? |
| 16:45.59 | aramir | cplx: why nok gkrellm or ksensors :-P ! |
| 16:46.05 | greycat | galanj: extend and embrace? |
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| 16:46.12 | galanj | i think |
| 16:46.12 | greycat | wait, no, that's embrace and extend |
| 16:46.24 | galanj | it is |
| 16:46.27 | resiak | galanj: #vim ?????!!!!1111oneslash |
| 16:46.35 | cplx | aramir: They alot more complex to setup? |
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| 16:47.06 | aramir | cplx: no setup! |
| 16:47.16 | aramir | only apt-get install gkrelm |
| 16:47.17 | cplx | aramir: ok will look. |
| 16:47.37 | Althaser | how can i install java ? please |
| 16:47.44 | resiak | !topicsmite Althaser |
| 16:47.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Althaser. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:48.16 | cplx | aramir: so then it should detect the hardware now for phpsysinfo ? |
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| 16:48.56 | aramir | cplx: things are different -> hw detection || hw monitoring |
| 16:49.03 | Althaser | resiak thanks :D |
| 16:49.26 | cplx | aramir: hw monitoring :) |
| 16:49.26 | aramir | Althaser: sun java packages is ok for debian (the bin one) |
| 16:49.39 | greycat | !tell aramir about install java |
| 16:49.50 | Eulex | hmm, gnome baker gives the following error when I try to burn something: "The mount point (e.g. /mnt/cdrom) for the writing device could not be obtained. Please check that the writing device has an entry in /etc/fstab and then go to preferences and rescan for devices." |
| 16:49.54 | aramir | greycat: i'll appreciate that! |
| 16:50.07 | raf256 | !beer Knoppix |
| 16:50.13 | greycat | Eulex: does cdrecord work directly? |
| 16:50.30 | aramir | cplx: gkrellm is ok |
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| 16:50.50 | aramir | for user-graphical-monitoring |
| 16:50.54 | kittonian | greycat: thanks. that worked perfectly |
| 16:51.11 | weilawei | greycat, kill me a ktten |
| 16:51.13 | Eulex | greycat, umh... never tried... gonna rtfm |
| 16:51.26 | cplx | aramir: This is all text based.. and I use phpsysinfo for net based info |
| 16:51.43 | FieldySnuts | ~hack cplx |
| 16:51.43 | apt | ACTION 0WnZ cplx and steals all of the p0rn on the hard drive. |
| 16:51.48 | greycat | kittonian: it's intended to be used for incremental backups (find /blah -newer /var/log/lastbackup -print | cpio -ov -whatever; touch /var/log/lastbackup) |
| 16:52.07 | aramir | cplx: ops... gkrellm is not text based... |
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| 16:52.24 | FieldySnuts | there is a cli version but it sucks |
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| 16:52.45 | cplx | aramir: no problem thanks anyway.. but would you have any idea why some of the devices arent showing up on the phpsysinfo |
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| 16:52.48 | aramir | you should search for a /sys (sysfs) based monitoring tool |
| 16:53.02 | aramir | no.. |
| 16:53.09 | cplx | ok. |
| 16:53.10 | metaperl | there's no reason why SBC/Yahoo! DSL wouldn't work with Linux would it? I'm using verizon just fine, but I'm moving to an SBC area |
| 16:53.19 | DimmuR | is it possible to use gatos and fglrx at the same time to get tvout on ati video-cards? |
| 16:53.23 | aramir | contact phpsysinfo developer and ask him |
| 16:53.50 | FieldySnuts | metaperl: if they give you a "modem" with an ethernet port to connect to (not usb), you should be fine, just set up PPPoE on your system. if they give you a router (like me), all I had to do was plug into it and i was done |
| 16:54.17 | metaperl | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 16:54.24 | metaperl | FieldySnuts: what does your nickname mean? |
| 16:54.40 | FieldySnuts | metaperl: if it's a self install kit, they software that comes with it only works on windows, and you'll end up calling, but they were very nice to me |
| 16:54.42 | Eulex | DimmuR, are they both X video drivers? if so, no |
| 16:55.02 | metaperl | FieldySnuts: in my experience, the software is useless |
| 16:55.17 | FieldySnuts | in my case it was required to run that to get my account going, so I had to call |
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| 16:55.20 | FieldySnuts | justa heads up |
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| 16:55.43 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.52 | resiak | raf256: No. |
| 16:55.57 | resiak | raf256: (init.d ?) |
| 16:55.58 | FieldySnuts | may as well, no reason for anytjhing to be executed there |
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| 16:56.00 | FieldySnuts | oh wait |
| 16:56.04 | FieldySnuts | !win resiak |
| 16:56.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:56.06 | greycat | /etc should not be a separate partition |
| 16:56.06 | metaperl | I just plugged the ethernet modem into the wall and into my laptop and was done |
| 16:56.09 | resiak | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 16:56.23 | FieldySnuts | !annoy resiak |
| 16:56.26 | greycat | /etc must be in the root file system so that /etc/init.d/mountall.sh can mount the other file systems |
| 16:56.28 | FieldySnuts | feh. |
| 16:56.31 | resiak | @annoy FieldySnuts |
| 16:56.36 | resiak | :( |
| 16:56.48 | raf256 | !irritate resiak |
| 16:56.49 | dpkg | resiak: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my knoppix werkz U FUX0RZ |
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| 16:57.02 | ke6isf | I tried doing that once. System wouldn't boot, and wondered where /etc was. |
| 16:57.30 | greycat | well, it'll fail on /etc/inittab before it gets that far. |
| 16:57.44 | greycat | that's, what, the second file that's opened other than shared libs? :) |
| 16:58.56 | ke6isf | greycat: Makes me wonder, though, just how much of /etc can be put on another partition before you can't boot - but that would probably be more of an effort than it's worth to do that. |
| 16:59.00 | rob_lt | What's the proper way to verify a dvd disc after writing an iso to it? I did an md5sum on the iso and on /dev/sr0 and always get a different result. |
| 16:59.24 | deblin | apt-build isn't working either. hrm. |
| 16:59.39 | greycat | ke6isf: /etc/gconf |
| 16:59.47 | Eulex | rob_lt, dd if=/dev/whatever | cmp iso-file |
| 16:59.59 | rob_lt | Eulex, thanks, I'll give that a try |
| 17:00.03 | greycat | griffon:~$ du -sk /etc/gconf /boot |
| 17:00.03 | greycat | 18281 /etc/gconf |
| 17:00.03 | greycat | 6027 /boot |
| 17:00.20 | greycat | three times the size of ALL my kernels PUT TOGETHER. |
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| 17:00.48 | aramir | greycat: i know about licensing |
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| 17:01.05 | aramir | in fact i directed him to sun webstite, stop |
| 17:01.06 | ke6isf | greycat: wtf is in your /etc/gconf that is making it so big? =O.o= |
| 17:01.20 | Eulex | rob_lt, when you do a md5sum on /dev/sr0 you have to specify how far it has to read |
| 17:01.36 | greycat | ke6isf: damned if I know. whatever gnome installed. |
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| 17:01.52 | rob_lt | Eulex, I see. That makes sense. I was hoping the burn was ok and I was simply verifying it wrong. |
| 17:01.58 | ke6isf | greycat: Weird. |
| 17:02.06 | Yokalosh | are their any programs out there that would allow me to browse my linux drives in windows? |
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| 17:02.21 | greycat | Yokalosh: explore2fs |
| 17:02.30 | ke6isf | Time to get ready for work. |
| 17:02.37 | phreak | I've installed debian with debootstrap and it works fine in the chroot, but why do I get "Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing" on startup? And another thing, after it (didn't?) start syslogd,klogd, inetd, atd and cron, it doesnŽt do anything for a while. Then I get "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" (one for each tty I guess, 1-6) |
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| 17:02.51 | Eulex | rob_lt, otherwise it may read the un-burnt parts of the cd, with undefined results |
| 17:02.54 | phreak | Oh yeah, then it says "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 17:02.59 | metaperl | phreak was once a good magazine :) |
| 17:03.08 | phreak | :-] |
| 17:03.13 | greycat | ke6isf: the usage is spread pretty evenly among the things in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/ |
| 17:03.17 | joloc_ | how can i reset gnome-panel to its initial settings? after i fiddled with it, gnome-panel goes crazy every time i start a gnome session. |
| 17:03.22 | greycat | !blame XML |
| 17:03.38 | resiak | joloc_: Remove a whole lot of .gnome* ? |
| 17:03.53 | maodo | hi |
| 17:03.54 | ke6isf | greycat: That's puzzling to me, for the simple reason that I have one file, and that entire tree for /etc/gconf is exactly 1322 bytes. |
| 17:04.04 | greycat | phreak: are you ... trying to *run getty* inside the chroot? |
| 17:04.06 | Eulex | phreak, that means it fails to start the gettys for some reason |
| 17:04.32 | maodo | can i have an ubuntu installation tutorial |
| 17:04.35 | mateja | debian gurus, i'm having some trouble adding myself to a group |
| 17:04.35 | phreak | greycat: No, this is when booting (With pxelinux, I'm using a nfsroot) |
| 17:04.36 | greycat | mateja: no. |
| 17:04.37 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 17:04.38 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 17:04.39 | greycat | oops. |
| 17:04.42 | greycat | maodo: no. |
| 17:04.45 | Eulex | maodo, no, goto #ubuntu |
| 17:04.50 | mateja | i do sudo /usr/sbin/usermod -G [group] [user] |
| 17:04.58 | aliasptr | Does anyone know if the non-free nVidia nvnet driver supports jumbo frames? |
| 17:05.01 | mateja | but when i log in and type 'groups' i don't see myself in that group |
| 17:05.05 | greycat | mateja: I usually just sudo vi /etc/group |
| 17:05.10 | mateja | did that, |
| 17:05.13 | mateja | still doesn't work |
| 17:05.14 | greycat | mateja: show us the line in /etc/group after the modification |
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| 17:05.34 | Eulex | aliasptr, eh? what's "jumbo frames"? |
| 17:05.38 | greycat | mateja: also make sure you aren't in 32 groups already. (I think 32 is the current max groups setting in the kernel) |
| 17:05.42 | mateja | greycat: dev:x:1003:mateja,jesse,rdw,mah6s,abarth |
| 17:05.43 | raf256 | !ubuntusmite mateja |
| 17:05.54 | aliasptr | Eulex, on ethernet devices the MTU is above 1500 bytes |
| 17:06.06 | Eulex | raf256, it was maodo |
| 17:06.12 | mateja | greycat: my username is mateja on the machine as well |
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| 17:06.15 | raf256 | !ubuntusmite maodo instead |
| 17:06.17 | aliasptr | MTU - maximum tranmission unit |
| 17:06.25 | stouset | hahahahahaha |
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| 17:06.39 | greycat | mateja: looks correctly formed, assuming there's nothing before it that would make libc barf. |
| 17:06.53 | greycat | mateja: what does "id mateja" say? |
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| 17:07.10 | mateja | greycat: yeah, taht's where the problem is, it says 'mateja audio' |
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| 17:07.22 | mateja | greycat: no dev |
| 17:07.22 | greycat | it says *what*? |
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| 17:07.32 | ShiShi | hello all , |
| 17:07.33 | phreak | greycat, Eulex: I just realised something, it's probably devfs that's fscking things up :) |
| 17:07.35 | greycat | I hope to god you're paraphrasing. |
| 17:07.51 | ShiShi | I have problem with compiling 2.6.11 kernel |
| 17:07.53 | mateja | greycat: sorry for the heart attack ;) you're right |
| 17:08.02 | resiak | ShiShi: And you ask here why? |
| 17:08.03 | mateja | greycat: uid=1000(mateja) gid=1000(mateja) groups=1000(mateja),1003(dev) |
| 17:08.06 | cddesjar | About 1 out of every 10 times I start x, it starts as usual with the hourglass indicating the KDM is loading, but then it freezes and horizontal and vertical bars flicker across my screen and then I am forced to reboot but then KDM loads properly upon rebooting. |
| 17:08.07 | ShiShi | I have this error:/drivers/char/isicom.c:154:error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 17:08.08 | deblin | apt-build does the same thing as apt-get source -b, it runs ./configure like 5 times and compiles like 5 times. seems like a bug/problem with dpkg-buildpackage to me. |
| 17:08.31 | ShiShi | resiak, i ask if you have some advices or something |
| 17:08.34 | ShiShi | else |
| 17:08.35 | cddesjar | anyone know why? |
| 17:08.36 | mateja | greycat: right, must be a problem with my directory |
| 17:08.42 | mateja | greycat: thanks for your help, ill keep hacking |
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| 17:08.47 | greycat | what does your 'directory' have to do with anything? |
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| 17:08.51 | cddesjar | do you think this problem would be fixed by upgrading to testing? |
| 17:09.02 | mateja | greycat: i actually have a problem with cvs |
| 17:09.10 | mateja | greycat: but i didn't think it appropriate to ask that question here |
| 17:09.15 | greycat | cddesjar: sounds like an XFree86 or hardware problem. |
| 17:09.17 | mateja | greycat: it's a permissions problem |
| 17:09.21 | greycat | cddesjar: etch and sarge both have the same X |
| 17:09.36 | mateja | greycat: the CVSROOT is owned by the dev group |
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| 17:09.39 | maodo | help me to install debian via ftp on much machines is it possible i am a debian newbie |
| 17:09.41 | ke6isf | !tell me -about etch |
| 17:09.44 | cddesjar | greycat: i never had this problem with slackware though |
| 17:10.01 | greycat | cddesjar: could be a bug in X, or in the kernel. |
| 17:10.02 | Eulex | maodo, yes, it's possible that you are a debian newbie |
| 17:10.10 | greycat | cddesjar: or could be hardware, as I said already |
| 17:10.12 | mateja | greycat: 'neway, thank you |
| 17:10.22 | Eulex | maodo, you mean a net install? |
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| 17:10.28 | maodo | yes |
| 17:10.34 | cddesjar | greycat: do you have any suggestions for things for me to try? reconfiguring x? |
| 17:10.40 | ShiShi | greycat, no idea with this error please :/drivers/char/isicom.c:154:error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 17:10.43 | Eulex | maodo, what is your problem? |
| 17:11.00 | greycat | ShiShi: it means "use gcc-3.3 instead". |
| 17:11.01 | deblin | can someone here on sid please apt-get source -b (anypackagehere) 2>&1 | tee ../build.log and see if it's compiling/running ./configure 4 times? |
| 17:11.09 | maodo | i wanna install debian with net install |
| 17:11.14 | ke6isf | !tell maodo -about netinst |
| 17:11.17 | cddesjar | greycat: when will etch have a new x? isn't debian switching over to xorgconfig install of xfree86 |
| 17:11.17 | ShiShi | greycat, thx i try :) |
| 17:11.20 | maodo | by ftp |
| 17:11.25 | greycat | cddesjar: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 17:11.39 | Eulex | cddesjar, WIR |
| 17:11.44 | ke6isf | maodo: You use netinst. |
| 17:12.02 | cddesjar | ok |
| 17:12.04 | streuner | cddesjar: in short - it exist a backport for sarge |
| 17:12.05 | maodo | ok |
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| 17:12.22 | streuner | cddesjar: and for sid/unstable are debs available |
| 17:12.39 | maodo | you mean what i say eulex |
| 17:12.44 | cddesjar | streuner: i think i'll stick with the stable for now :) |
| 17:13.15 | ke6isf | Just how stable is etch at the moment? |
| 17:13.19 | coll | how do i get kernel sources with aptitude? |
| 17:13.21 | cddesjar | greycat: if it's a hardware issue, what might it be? |
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| 17:13.36 | bobl | what is the apt package for xwindows |
| 17:13.36 | maodo | for example a ftp server with all debian packages,and i wanna install 3 machines what i will do |
| 17:13.40 | Eulex | maodo, I don't mean what you say, maybe you should go to the debian channel of your language? |
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| 17:13.59 | Eulex | maodo, download isos? |
| 17:14.07 | maodo | ok and ? |
| 17:14.08 | ke6isf | bobl: xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:14.12 | FarrisG | does anyone know what I need to do to just give out-of-the-box-debian vsFTPd anonymous users write access? |
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| 17:14.17 | maodo | i take notes |
| 17:14.30 | raf256 | how long can be the partition label? |
| 17:14.31 | ke6isf | maodo: You use netinst. |
| 17:14.33 | bobl | thx |
| 17:14.37 | Schiz0 | What kernel is etch using at the moment? |
| 17:14.54 | ke6isf | maodo: Get the sarge netinst iso, burn to a CD, boot it up, have fun. |
| 17:14.55 | rob_lt | Eulex, do you use the -b option with cmp? If not, how do you know their were no differing bytes? |
| 17:15.02 | rob_lt | there even |
| 17:15.05 | ke6isf | It isn't rocket science. |
| 17:15.18 | rob_lt | Schiz0, 2.6.11 |
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| 17:15.34 | Eulex | maodo, you can download isos or use the netinst, whichever you want |
| 17:15.37 | shishi | re |
| 17:15.43 | shishi | greycat: i use already gcc3.3 |
| 17:15.46 | maodo | netinst |
| 17:15.59 | green_earz | maodo: here is the link for the net installer > http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 17:16.04 | Schiz0 | rob_lt- does etch use a modified version of the kernel? or can i just go and compile my own for the latest one? |
| 17:16.08 | deblin | LSorensen: you around? |
| 17:16.14 | raf256 | what use for / ? |
| 17:16.24 | Eulex | rob_lt, I didn't, though I compared it with a completely different file and it printed that there were a difference on line 1, byte 1 |
| 17:16.45 | Eulex | raf256, maybe hold the root fs? :) |
| 17:16.56 | raf256 | ;) |
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| 17:17.02 | raf256 | what file system should I use for / ? |
| 17:17.06 | Eulex | Schiz0, the debian kernel has patches |
| 17:17.20 | Eulex | !filesystems |
| 17:17.20 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 17:17.25 | raf256 | ..ext2 (but not secure - no journal) ... ext3 is quite brakable... |
| 17:17.36 | raf256 | taht is not true, ext3 IMHO is less secure then reiserfs(!) and JFS |
| 17:17.51 | Eulex | ext3 is very reliable |
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| 17:17.58 | Eulex | though I dunno about how secure it is |
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| 17:18.05 | raf256 | Eulex, nope, it fucked up totally after a power breake. reiser was fine |
| 17:18.06 | Schiz0 | So I have to put those patches into the kernel to be able to use the latest correct? |
| 17:18.06 | nadim | anyone know what I need to install to enable 64-bit gcc on a xeon box ? |
| 17:18.11 | nadim | which I try a simple 'hello world' with "-m64" I get, |
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| 17:18.17 | nadim | cc1: sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in |
| 17:18.18 | rob_lt | !tell Schiz0 about make-kpkg |
| 17:18.26 | Eulex | Schiz0, no, you can compile without those patches |
| 17:18.45 | maher | Eulex: no journalling fs is designed to cope with power outages - if you care about this buy a ups |
| 17:19.05 | Eulex | maher, that was meant for raf256 |
| 17:19.13 | nadim | that was using 'gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)' |
| 17:19.23 | deblin | Can someone please explain why the debian/rules file contains targets for bulid-std and build-ml both of which comprise the "build" target? this results in it building build-std (1 compile) and build-ml (3 compiles). Is there a way to tell it just to compile/use build-std? what's the distinction? |
| 17:19.40 | nadim | in short, what do I need to do to enable 64-bit abilities within gcc (so I can use '-m64') ? |
| 17:20.16 | coll | im runing debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 (originally a debian woody install but im over an apt dist upgrade to sarge so im basically sarge now)... how can i upgrade to 2.4.31 with aptitude? |
| 17:20.31 | SDFH_Linux | is kernel 2.6.12 out yet? |
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| 17:20.42 | Eulex | SDFH_Linux, yeah -- kernel.org |
| 17:20.56 | SDFH_Linux | on the deb repos i mean |
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| 17:21.09 | Eulex | coll, apt-get it |
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| 17:21.15 | Eulex | SDFH_Linux, nope |
| 17:21.19 | SDFH_Linux | doh |
| 17:21.40 | Schiz0 | what bootloader does etch use? lilo? |
| 17:21.43 | coll | Eulex: yeah im going to apt-get it, just dont know what to get exactly :) |
| 17:21.52 | coll | Eulex: btw, should i be using apt-get or aptitude for that? |
| 17:22.02 | masoft | Schiz0, yes :D |
| 17:22.09 | Schiz0 | thanks |
| 17:22.18 | masoft | Schiz0, but you can install grub, too ! |
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| 17:22.22 | Eulex | coll, apt-cache search kernel-image -- and afaik apt-get, but I don't think it would hurt to use aptitude |
| 17:22.29 | Eulex | Schiz0, grub is default |
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| 17:22.34 | Schiz0 | lilo is fine ;-D |
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| 17:22.53 | Eulex | Schiz0, you should try out grub :) |
| 17:23.05 | masoft | Eulex, Grub is the Default of Etch ?!?! |
| 17:23.14 | Schiz0 | Eulex- I've used grub, I like it better, but lilo is fine |
| 17:23.19 | Eulex | masoft, yes, and for sarge |
| 17:23.50 | masoft | Eulex, so why lilo was the default for my Sarge ? :P |
| 17:23.52 | Schiz0 | wait, grub is default for lilo? |
| 17:23.59 | Eulex | masoft, it's better |
| 17:24.13 | Eulex | Schiz0, eh? grub is the default boot loader in sarge |
| 17:24.16 | goron | What IRC program can auto-identify correctly(i.e. not XChat), and is X-based(i.e. not irssi) and has some quality? |
| 17:24.37 | Schiz0 | what about etch? lol |
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| 17:24.46 | Schiz0 | goron- what's wrong with xchat's auto identify? |
| 17:24.52 | Schiz0 | I love xchat. |
| 17:25.12 | goron | Schiz0: It joins a channel first before it it identified. |
| 17:25.30 | goron | Schiz0: Now, take a channel that only allows people with registered nicks. |
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| 17:25.37 | Eulex | Schiz0, etch hasn't got any installer yet |
| 17:25.43 | xzakox | hi |
| 17:25.48 | goron | Schiz0: They will forward you to #please_register |
| 17:25.56 | goron | Schiz0: That's what wrong. |
| 17:25.57 | Schiz0 | Hm. |
| 17:26.19 | Schiz0 | Eulex- no bootloader on etch? I'm confused. O_o |
| 17:26.41 | Eulex | Schiz0, there is no etch installer, you use the sarge installer apt-get dist-upgrade to etch |
| 17:26.46 | caphuso | goron: http://freenode.net/recommended/xchat/kludges/identify_and_join.py.txt |
| 17:26.46 | masoft | Schiz0, there are both of bootloaders ! but not installer ... |
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| 17:26.53 | Eulex | ... and apt-get etc |
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| 17:27.14 | Schiz0 | Hm. |
| 17:27.20 | Eulex | Schiz0, and it's the installer that installs the boot loader |
| 17:27.54 | Eulex | great -- my cd burner has hung in some strange way -- it reads, does nothing, reads, does nothing etc -- it's not mounted, I can't mount it, and I can't eject it -- now what to do? |
| 17:27.57 | coll | Eulex: if i want to build 2.4.27 (im seeing that 2.4.26 isnt there) from source can i just apt-get kernel-source-2.4.27 and build it manually? |
| 17:28.10 | masoft | Schiz0, It's not an important thing ! you can choose what you want ... I use LiLO ! |
| 17:28.15 | Schiz0 | So I install sarge, put testing sources in my apt config, and then apt-get dist-upgrade correct? |
| 17:28.18 | stouset | Eulex: That's a hardware thing. Only thing you can do is either wait it out (may take awhile) or reboot. |
| 17:28.22 | goron | caphuso: Thanks, will test it. |
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| 17:28.30 | xzakox | mmmm if a process doesn't die with kill -9 .... any way to kill it? |
| 17:28.31 | masoft | Schiz0, exactly ;) |
| 17:28.34 | Schiz0 | thanks. |
| 17:28.35 | caphuso | xzakox: no |
| 17:28.36 | stouset | coll: Yes, but why do you want to build your kernel? |
| 17:28.43 | Schiz0 | Yay. Netsplit. |
| 17:28.50 | shishi | erf i have same error compiling kernel |
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| 17:29.14 | xzakox | hmf |
| 17:29.18 | xzakox | caphuso, tnks |
| 17:29.22 | shishi | isicom.c 154 error array type has incomplete element type |
| 17:29.30 | shishi | no one have an idea ,.... |
| 17:29.46 | masoft | shishi, which kernel ? |
| 17:29.50 | Eulex | coll, kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 is in both stable, testing and unstable |
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| 17:29.53 | shishi | 2.6.11 |
| 17:30.09 | shishi | under debian i take src from kernel-source-2.6.11 |
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| 17:30.28 | Eulex | shishi, what version of gcc? |
| 17:30.29 | shishi | greycat advice me to use gcc3.3 , it's ok |
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| 17:30.47 | Eulex | shishi, have you applied any patch to the sources? |
| 17:30.48 | shishi | Eulex: i try with gcc 3.3 and 3.4 |
| 17:30.49 | masoft | shishi, I didn't test it in Debian !!! mine is 2.6.8 |
| 17:30.53 | shishi | Eulex: no patch |
| 17:31.21 | shishi | masoft: ok thx , i really don't know where is the problem |
| 17:31.22 | masoft | shishi, could you send me the isicom.c ? |
| 17:31.29 | Eulex | shishi, hmm -- maybe you should check the bts? |
| 17:31.29 | shishi | yes masoft |
| 17:31.31 | jharrisonwk | scons is sweet |
| 17:31.40 | DiegoElias | how can i know whats ports are open? |
| 17:31.52 | masoft | DiegoElias, on your computer or another ? |
| 17:31.57 | DiegoElias | my computer |
| 17:32.04 | masoft | DiegoElias, netstat -a |
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| 17:32.55 | DiegoElias | sorry... i think that my question is wrong.... whats my pc listen ? |
| 17:33.17 | xzakox | DiegoElias, netstat -atun |
| 17:33.24 | Eulex | stouset, ok -- hasn't timed out yet, if it doesn't in a few mins I'll reboot |
| 17:33.29 | pablum | -punta |
| 17:33.33 | masoft | DiegoElias, it will say !!! |
| 17:33.38 | deblin | argh, why the hell does dpkg-buildpackage build this package like 5 times? Why can't I tell it just to build ONE. even the build-std target has multiple builds in some packages. seems like a complete waste of time compiling something 5 times. shit, if I wanted to compile X, I'd be here for weeks. :) |
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| 17:33.53 | coll | stouset: well i need to enable some shaping stuff like htb, tfq, cbq so ill need to be editing the .config file manually |
| 17:33.53 | stouset | Eulex: I'm not even sure if it ever will time out. I know it's happened to me, but I don't remember if I outwaited it or what. |
| 17:33.53 | masoft | DiegoElias, netstat -a | grep LISTEN |
| 17:33.56 | dystopian | xzakox: I know netsat -atu but what is the n for? |
| 17:34.17 | stouset | deblin: What do you mean? |
| 17:34.27 | pablum | don't do lookups |
| 17:34.42 | DiegoElias | thanks.. |
| 17:34.45 | coll | is there some newbie step-by-step guide for building a new kernel image from source? id like to get a read on it before i break anything |
| 17:34.48 | DiegoElias | well..i have another question |
| 17:34.53 | masoft | DiegoElias, u'r welcome |
| 17:35.12 | deblin | stouset: I use apt-get source -b or dpkg-buildpackage and it runs ./configure many times (and compiles many times). looking at debian/rules, the build-std target has 1 or more ./configures; make; mv and so does the build-ml. So in conjunction it means like 5+ builds. for ONE package. |
| 17:35.14 | DiegoElias | i have installed bind9 with mysql and i want remove it ( i compiled it ) .. how can i do that ? |
| 17:35.29 | xzakox | dystopian |
| 17:35.32 | xzakox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.32 | xzakox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.39 | masoft | DiegoElias, apt-get remove ?! |
| 17:35.41 | dystopian | oic. cool :) |
| 17:35.55 | DiegoElias | masoft: i dont used apt-get install ... |
| 17:36.03 | rob_lt | coll, just google for debian custom kernel |
| 17:36.15 | xzakox | DiegoElias, make uninstall in source dir? |
| 17:36.28 | masoft | DiegoElias, ok, so search for make arguments ... may : make remove |
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| 17:36.35 | deblin | stouset: is there a debian developers channel on freenode I can ask in? I'm sure they know what they're doing, but I am looking for a way to avoid compiling it 5 times since I only really want/need the standard package compile flags. |
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| 17:36.59 | stouset | #debian-devel? |
| 17:37.13 | deblin | thanks |
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| 17:37.32 | sktrdie | whats' the difference between a .ogg |
| 17:37.34 | sktrdie | or a .avi |
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| 17:37.59 | DiegoElias | masoft: /usr/local/src/bind-mysql |
| 17:38.03 | dystopian | .ogg is similar to .mp3 |
| 17:38.07 | stouset | sktrdie: They're different formats. |
| 17:38.12 | dystopian | .avi is a video file |
| 17:38.12 | stouset | dystopian: No, not really |
| 17:38.23 | stouset | dystopian: ogg is just a container, you can put videos or other media into it |
| 17:38.34 | sktrdie | .ogg can be audio, or video |
| 17:38.45 | stouset | dystopian: avi is a container as well, but I believe you can only put video into it, and not only audio |
| 17:38.51 | masoft | DiegoElias, ok, go there and try : make uninstall |
| 17:38.52 | sktrdie | also |
| 17:38.57 | sktrdie | .ogm |
| 17:38.59 | masoft | DiegoElias, or make remove |
| 17:39.00 | sktrdie | and .mkv |
| 17:39.12 | dystopian | really? that's cool. I guess I only ever see .ogg music files. |
| 17:39.50 | stouset | dystopian: That because (I believe) Ogg Theora hadn't frozen the file format until just recently, if even then. |
| 17:40.11 | dystopian | ic |
| 17:40.37 | Eulex | I'm getting tired of this drive, it has hijacked a cd for me! I'll reboot, brb |
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| 17:43.16 | jeff897 | can anyone in here help me with a kernel problem when booting? |
| 17:43.46 | dystopian | what is it doing? |
| 17:43.48 | greycat | !ask |
| 17:43.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 17:43.48 | stew | jeff897: if you have a real question just ask it |
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| 17:44.15 | jeff897 | well, when i boot with 1.5 GB ram, i get a ton of errors, however, when I boot with 1 GB, it boots fine |
| 17:44.22 | jeff897 | this is on debian sarge |
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| 17:44.36 | jeff897 | i have ran memtest and it doesn't find any errors with the ram |
| 17:45.22 | stouset | jeff897: What kind of errors? |
| 17:45.41 | jeff897 | kernel panics sometimes, other times strings of "---------------------------------------" printed repeatedly |
| 17:45.49 | jeff897 | different errors each time i try to boot |
| 17:45.54 | stouset | Nice =P |
| 17:46.04 | stouset | Wish I could help. No experience with >1G |
| 17:46.06 | deepfrze | jeff897: was your kernel compiled with high memory enabled? |
| 17:46.12 | stouset | Might be a kernel thing, high memory support. |
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| 17:46.24 | jeff897 | i'm using the stock 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel, so i'm not sure, i assume it would be |
| 17:46.38 | stouset | deepfrze: are the Debian kernels compiled with it by default? |
| 17:46.43 | sbk | Where can i find documentation about what gets mapped into various regions of virtual memory for a process? |
| 17:46.54 | stouset | hm... |
| 17:46.55 | jeff897 | i've also tried a custom built kernel with 64 GB memory support, same thing |
| 17:46.58 | stouset | Yeah, it's compiled in by default. |
| 17:47.12 | deepfrze | stouset: I don't think so, but I'm not sure |
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| 17:47.26 | muriachi | I need help ... The Toshiba notebook Tecra A4 has a problem for install Debian 3.1 ...I Think wich not found ide controller cause the msg is No |
| 17:47.26 | muriachi | partitionable media is found |
| 17:47.50 | dfd | Hello. I get the error 'ld can't found -lncurses'.. but i have installed them and file /lib/libncurses.so exists.. what could be the problem? |
| 17:47.52 | stouset | jeff897: can you do "grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r`" |
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| 17:48.27 | stouset | dfd: What are you trying to do, that causes the error |
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| 17:48.54 | dfd | stouset: i'm trying to recompile the kernel.. make menuconfig give me that error |
| 17:49.12 | jeff897 | CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y |
| 17:49.17 | DiegoElias | masoft: dont have make remove in the source...another tentative? |
| 17:49.19 | stouset | dfd: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 17:49.22 | stouset | jeff897: Aha! |
| 17:49.36 | jeff897 | that's on my custom kernel |
| 17:49.45 | stouset | jeff897: You *don't* have high memory support enabled. |
| 17:50.02 | stouset | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y needs to be set. |
| 17:50.03 | jeff897 | really.... how do i enable it? |
| 17:50.13 | dfd | stouset: okay, i'm trying... good it works, thanks |
| 17:50.15 | jeff897 | oh wait, it has that one too |
| 17:50.18 | stouset | only then will the CONFIG_HIGHMEM{xx}G=y options take effect. |
| 17:50.21 | jeff897 | sorry i missed that |
| 17:50.24 | stouset | Oh. |
| 17:50.25 | stouset | Well then. |
| 17:50.29 | furball` | Anyone could tip me whether I need to select PPP support as kernel module if I'm only using ethernet? |
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| 17:50.33 | [EnGaGe] | what do i need to install on my server for MySQL ? apt-get install mysql-server ? |
| 17:50.37 | dfd | bye all |
| 17:50.37 | FieldySnuts | furball`: no |
| 17:50.42 | stouset | Which kernel are you using? |
| 17:50.54 | masoft | DiegoElias, what about make uninstall ? |
| 17:50.55 | furball` | Mmk, thank you |
| 17:50.56 | jeff897 | 2.6.11 custom built from the debian sources |
| 17:51.01 | jeff897 | from unstable |
| 17:51.17 | jeff897 | but i've tried with the stable kernel as well and get the same errors |
| 17:51.17 | stouset | jeff897: Can you try a stock kernel, really quick? |
| 17:51.25 | stouset | jeff897: A different version. |
| 17:51.29 | deepfrze | jeff897: stouset mine has 4 gig support enabled, 64 no |
| 17:51.41 | stouset | deepfrze: Same for mine. |
| 17:51.48 | stouset | jeff897: Try 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:51.56 | stouset | jeff897: Or -k7, or whatever |
| 17:52.05 | stouset | jeff897: Might be a problem with that specific kernel version and highmem support. |
| 17:52.19 | jeff897 | i've tried 2.6.8-2-k7 and it doesn't work either |
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| 17:52.28 | jeff897 | the stock version |
| 17:52.30 | deepfrze | jeff897: stouset: I'm running 2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 17:52.39 | DiegoElias | masoft: nothing ? |
| 17:52.44 | deepfrze | jeff897: stouset: stock |
| 17:52.44 | DiegoElias | masoft: nothing |
| 17:53.04 | stouset | deepfrze: Do you have > 1G memory? |
| 17:53.05 | masoft | DiegoElias, I don't know any other way :P |
| 17:53.14 | deepfrze | stouset: no |
| 17:53.25 | maodo | how to install debian with net install option ? |
| 17:53.30 | stouset | jeff897: Could it be a problem with your motherboard not supporting that much memory? |
| 17:53.38 | greycat | !tell maodo about install sarge |
| 17:53.41 | stouset | jeff897: Check the specs on it. Some motherboards have a limit to how much they can address. |
| 17:53.43 | jeff897 | according to the specs it can support 1 GB per slot, 3 slots |
| 17:53.51 | jeff897 | i have 512 per slot |
| 17:53.52 | stouset | jeff897: But how much maximum? |
| 17:53.55 | jeff897 | 3GB |
| 17:54.04 | stouset | jeff897: Okay. What about BIOS options? |
| 17:54.24 | jeff897 | i've checked everything i can think of in there, and the bios does indeed recognize all 1.5 GB |
| 17:54.24 | greycat | !msg |
| 17:54.24 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 17:54.42 | jeff897 | the bios memory checks work out as well |
| 17:54.45 | maodo | ok |
| 17:54.49 | jeff897 | same with memtest86+ |
| 17:55.02 | stouset | Hmm... |
| 17:55.03 | jeff897 | and freebsd will boot |
| 17:55.04 | FieldySnuts | with memtest, did you let it get to at least test #5? |
| 17:55.09 | greycat | maodo: just tell us what problem(s) you have. |
| 17:55.09 | stouset | Yeah, I didn't think about that. Memtest86 would fail. |
| 17:55.15 | jeff897 | it seems to just be debian and ubuntu, mepis sometimes works |
| 17:55.35 | jeff897 | i let memtest run through 3 passes |
| 17:55.39 | jeff897 | should i run more? |
| 17:55.40 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 17:55.48 | stouset | jeff897: That's odd. I know people who've run Debian with over a gig. |
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| 17:56.09 | stouset | jeff897: Might be a hardware incompatibility thing? With your specific motherboard? |
| 17:56.50 | jeff897 | well, *something* was damaged a while ago by heat |
| 17:56.52 | dfd | Hello again.. the question is not strictly debian related, but i try the same.. with an hyper-threading cpu should i enable smp support in kernel when compiling? |
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| 17:56.58 | jeff897 | since then i've replaced the power supply and ram |
| 17:57.17 | stouset | dfd: Yes, but why are you compiling in the first place? |
| 17:57.25 | joloc_ | broken gnome configuration: can i just remove .gconf and .gnome* and restart gnome to reset to default? |
| 17:57.37 | stouset | joloc_: Yeah, pretty much. |
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| 17:57.49 | stouset | joloc_: What's broken, though? Might be easier to just fix that, than to replace everything. |
| 17:57.53 | dfd | stouset: this is my new pc.. i just installed debian and i'm recompiling kernel to include video driver too |
| 17:58.01 | stouset | dfd: nvidia? |
| 17:58.01 | jeff897 | i've also tried slowing the ram down to 333 Mhz instead of 400 to see if that helps |
| 17:58.26 | dfd | stouset: yes, nvidia. I know i just need the headers, but i prefer to compile everything |
| 17:58.26 | stouset | jeff897: That's really odd. Can you check in #debian-boot? Someone there might have an idea. |
| 17:58.35 | stouset | dfd: There's no point, really. I promise. |
| 17:58.41 | jeff897 | ok thanks stouset, i'll go check there |
| 17:58.50 | stouset | jeff897: Sorry I can't help further. |
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| 17:59.01 | jrebull | dñslñ |
| 17:59.08 | dfd | stouset: :-) thanks again. see you later.. |
| 17:59.13 | maodo | who help me net installing debian ? |
| 17:59.17 | jeff897 | at least you tried :-) thanks again |
| 17:59.19 | stouset | dfd: No problem. |
| 17:59.40 | joloc_ | stouset: gnome-panel is broken. the bottom panel started to tremble like mad when i repositioned it, and no other app gets focus. |
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| 18:00.29 | stouset | joloc_: That is definitely weird. You might want to join #gnome-debian on irc.gimp.org and mention it there. |
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| 18:00.36 | stouset | joloc_: I'm sure they'd be very interested in hearing about it. |
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| 18:01.04 | joloc_ | stouset: ok |
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| 18:02.00 | bobl | what command reconfigures xwindows. i need to change my resolution |
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| 18:02.20 | masoft | bobl, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:02.24 | bobl | werd |
| 18:02.25 | bobl | thx |
| 18:03.04 | masoft | bobl, or you can change it manually in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 18:03.57 | bobl | alright i'll try that |
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| 18:04.09 | bobl | what tells x what resolution to use by default when it starts |
| 18:04.16 | dmz_wk | anyone recall the name of the debian archive with older/historical packages? |
| 18:04.41 | stouset | oldstable? |
| 18:04.47 | asg | dmz_wk: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 18:05.06 | dmz_wk | danka |
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| 18:05.09 | ryan_ | o_O |
| 18:06.57 | greycat | bobl: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 18:07.09 | bobl | yeah i see it displays all the modes i can use |
| 18:07.15 | bobl | cool |
| 18:07.41 | bobl | how do i tell x to change video modes when i'm in it |
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| 18:08.06 | stew | bobl: xrandr or ctrl-alt-+ + must be from the num keypad |
| 18:08.12 | katoc | que tal... alguien ha usado el comando mkisofs |
| 18:08.18 | bobl | ok |
| 18:08.24 | bobl | tried it not using the keypad |
| 18:08.30 | bobl | some of this shit is coming back to me |
| 18:08.37 | masoft | katoc, english please ;) |
| 18:08.41 | stew | !es |
| 18:08.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:08.54 | katoc | somebody has used mkisofs command? |
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| 18:09.10 | bobl | i'm using the vesa driver but my video is integratd 915g |
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| 18:09.19 | bobl | is that going to be a pain in the ass to get it to detect that properly |
| 18:09.20 | masoft | katoc, of course, just ask what's your problem |
| 18:09.20 | stew | katoc: many people |
| 18:09.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: check this out.. http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Brother_HL_5050/EHL5050/G01690/yahoo/ good printer if you want one... same one I got except refurb.. |
| 18:09.30 | TwistedEmotions | shit... |
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| 18:09.50 | TwistedEmotions | hate it when I do that instead of msg |
| 18:10.02 | comforteagle | is there a way to get a list of debian packages. |
| 18:10.19 | stouset | comforteagle: human-readable or machine-readable? |
| 18:10.22 | stew | comforteagle: http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:10.25 | katoc | i need to make a iso file, and when i burn the iso ... doesnt boot |
| 18:10.39 | phreak | greycat: Doubt you have the any interest at all, but it was devfs that spooked things up. And the fake start-stop was fixed by moving start-stop-daemon.REAL to w/o .REAL |
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| 18:11.03 | comforteagle | stouset: human |
| 18:11.20 | stouset | comforteagle: aptitude |
| 18:11.23 | phreak | And for those of you who wonder, nfsroot is REALLY cool and easy to use :) |
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| 18:11.44 | comforteagle | stouset: how about machine as well |
| 18:12.07 | wolfdream | I have a SuperMicro MB, with embedded adaptec 7899 - a zero channel raid controller (2005) and a 2100s raid controller (all SCSI - not SATA). RAID 1 on 2005, RAID 5 on 2100S. A plextor CD-ROM burner, and a pioneer DVD. The sarge installer CANNOT get past the load of the CD-ROM driver - it can't find the module. I have the exact error reported (which includes the 5-6 modules not found for my hardware) if you want me to paste in #flo |
| 18:12.08 | stew | comforteagle: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:12.29 | stew | wolfdream: have you tried the linux26 install kernel? |
| 18:12.33 | stouset | apt-cache pkgnames |
| 18:12.36 | wolfdream | stew: yes |
| 18:12.38 | EdibleText | katoc, you need to 'man mkisofs' and search for 'boot' ie /boot |
| 18:12.46 | comforteagle | stew: create a list of the packages. |
| 18:12.53 | wolfdream | expert,linux,expert26,linux26 |
| 18:13.00 | comforteagle | stew: to plug into a script |
| 18:13.17 | stew | comforteagle: look at /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 18:13.35 | stouset | comforteagle: apt-cache pkgnames |
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| 18:14.01 | comforteagle | stouset, that's the ticket. thanks |
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| 18:14.49 | CowboyCode1 | hey, anyone got an example for doing async console I/O (non-blocking)? |
| 18:14.51 | katoc | EdibleText,masoft: really i added packages to kubuntu cd, and make with dd command the boot and make all that mkisofs' man and i made the iso, boot when i try to boot... just i get black display |
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| 18:15.06 | davem | haha |
| 18:16.07 | davem | !ubuntu |
| 18:16.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 18:16.29 | EdibleText | katoc, you had bootable floppy image and used the '-b' switch? |
| 18:16.50 | nvz_ | can I set in irssi somewhere my 2ndary nick when stuff like this happens? I have two nicks, this is not one of them.. |
| 18:17.21 | caphuso | nvz: /set alternate_nick |
| 18:17.32 | katoc | EdibleText: where can i send you all command that i made? |
| 18:17.47 | EdibleText | nvz_, its your doppleganger. your supposed to go crazy and try to kill him |
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| 18:17.53 | katoc | EdibleText, the boot ... i get from original cd... |
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| 18:18.10 | nvz | EdibleText: umm ok? |
| 18:18.55 | EdibleText | katoc, in channel please |
| 18:19.03 | nvz | !+dict doppleganger |
| 18:19.04 | katoc | EdibleText, ok |
| 18:19.05 | dpkg | could not find definition for doppleganger |
| 18:19.51 | nvz | sounds like something I would use for a nick password.. I use silly passwords for lesser important things like passwords for chat |
| 18:20.06 | katoc | EdibleText: mkisofs -V "ubuntu-gnustep" -o ubuntu.iso -b boot/boot.img -c boot/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -R -l -J -r ./ |
| 18:20.34 | pablum | doppelganger... or really, doppelgaenger (how to do an umlaut?) |
| 18:21.13 | nvz | I used to just cram a couple of three or four letter words together.. but I've gotten more creative anymore.. I use more than 7 letters and no dictionary terms |
| 18:21.19 | cddesjar | what does it mean when i am running aptitude and it tells me that "the following programs have been kept back" |
| 18:21.24 | katoc | the boot size i try with 512, 1024, 2048... no one work!, i think is the boot size but really i dont know what to do!! |
| 18:21.32 | sepski | !kept back |
| 18:21.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
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| 18:22.03 | cddesjar | ok |
| 18:22.09 | cddesjar | can i just use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 18:22.17 | sepski | cddesjar, yes |
| 18:22.32 | xzakox | this is weird... my XFree hangs, black screen the cursor is responsive but not the keyboard... if I access thought ssh, XFree86 uses 100% of the CPU and i can't kill it... (kill -9 and nothing..) |
| 18:22.34 | xzakox | any idea? |
| 18:22.37 | EdibleText | katoc, hmm looks (havnt referenced all the switches) as though you made the bootable iso correctly... the data withen may not be configured correctly |
| 18:22.38 | cddesjar | aptitude install gaim (i.e.) or would i do aptitude upgrade gaim |
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| 18:22.52 | sepski | install |
| 18:22.53 | xzakox | i purged and reinstaled xfree and the same happens |
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| 18:23.39 | yokalosh | hey, when i try to extract a .zip file all i get is '/bin/sh: line 1: unzip: command not found' |
| 18:23.41 | yokalosh | what do i do? |
| 18:23.54 | greycat | what do you think? |
| 18:23.54 | stew | xzakox: which driver are you using? |
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| 18:24.02 | nvz | xzakox: wrong driver or something |
| 18:24.05 | pablum | yokalosh, apt-get install unzip? |
| 18:24.15 | yokalosh | ooo tht would be an idea! |
| 18:24.20 | stew | whee |
| 18:24.22 | yokalosh | thankyou :D |
| 18:24.26 | katoc | EdibleText: the data withen may not be configured correctly ... wwhat do you mean? |
| 18:24.26 | EdibleText | katoc, does the iso mount ? |
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| 18:25.26 | EdibleText | katoc, once bios hands off control, your disk flakes out.. its not as if if doesnt try to boot |
| 18:25.28 | xzakox | stew, nvz , yesterday it was working with the same config |
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| 18:25.54 | EdibleText | katoc, from what you hacve said, it goes blank |
| 18:26.04 | Morrowyn | hello, how well does debian perform on a amd64 |
| 18:26.29 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 18:26.29 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 18:26.48 | EdibleText | katoc, if the disk wasnt bootable it try some other device (as dicatated by the bios config) |
| 18:27.07 | xzakox | it can be something about the laptop loosed the date and some files have 1970 timestamp? |
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| 18:27.47 | xzakox | i cant see nothing on syslog, messages, dmesg, XFree log... |
| 18:27.56 | xzakox | it's weird... |
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| 18:29.03 | katoc | EdibleText: when i try to boot from that cd ... only see the display black... and doesnt continuous |
| 18:29.08 | phreak | How do I use shadowed passwords? (I'd like to run that post-install thingy, if possible. Not base-config, because I didn't get to set md5/shadowed etc. |
| 18:29.41 | nvz | phreak: its in base-config |
| 18:29.55 | katoc | EdibleText: my bios conf.. is 1st CDROM, 2nd HD |
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| 18:31.17 | phreak | nvz: I reconfigured passwd to fix it, but for the next time, where in base-config? I can configure timezone, then set up users/passwords, then hostname, etc. It should have been before users/passwords don't you think? |
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| 18:31.41 | phreak | nvz: Perhaps DEBCONF_PRIORITY is high or something? (I use medium) |
| 18:31.43 | nvz | phreak: probably.. I dont remember |
| 18:31.49 | nvz | phreak: perhaps |
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| 18:33.36 | stew | debconf priority doesn't matter when you do dpkg-reconfigure, it will do -plow unless you specify otherwise |
| 18:34.03 | stew | oh wait, i misunderstood, he was talking about the initial install |
| 18:34.14 | stew | it would be suprising to me though if the default was to not use md5 |
| 18:34.35 | stew | well actually i think it was default for woody, but not for sarge |
| 18:34.38 | phreak | In woody it wasn't selected by default, not sure about sarge. |
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| 18:34.46 | phreak | Ok :) |
| 18:34.47 | wolfdream | I have a SuperMicro MB, with embedded adaptec 7899 - a zero channel raid controller (2005) and a 2100s raid controller (all SCSI - not SATA). RAID 1 on 2005, RAID 5 on 2100S. A plextor CD-ROM burner, and a pioneer DVD. The sarge installer CANNOT get past the load of the CD-ROM driver - it can't find the module. I have the exact error reported (which includes the 5-6 modules not found for my hardware) if you want me to paste in #flo |
| 18:35.35 | phreak | Could it be possible to netboot via wlan? |
| 18:36.02 | wolfdream | phreak: you mean, some kind of PXE boot? |
| 18:36.08 | phreak | wolfdream: Yeah |
| 18:36.40 | meshugga | any ibm db2 users around? |
| 18:36.41 | phreak | wolfdream: There probably isn't any kind of cards that can do that :/ But perhaps a bridging/roaming/whatever adapter would work? |
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| 18:37.03 | phreak | I mean, regular interface -> wlan-thingy -> wlan-ap -> lan -> bootserver. |
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| 18:37.19 | hardwire | was I a retartd for upgrading gcc to 4.0.1 ? |
| 18:37.21 | furball` | Do I need to add users to 'audio' group for alsa to work? |
| 18:37.22 | hardwire | cause now nothing freaking compiles |
| 18:37.27 | wolfdream | phreak: well, the nic can be PXE booted... |
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| 18:37.48 | greycat | furball`: probably |
| 18:38.16 | wolfdream | phreak: but I'd still need to understand how to get the modules I need, and where to get them... right? |
| 18:38.17 | phreak | wolfdream: Yeah, I'm doing that now. But the thing is I'd like to have no cable to the TV, where the computer is supposed to be. |
| 18:38.55 | phreak | wolfdream: Uhm, I'm not helping you or anything? :-] Didn't even read what you wrote... hehe |
| 18:40.03 | phreak | Sorry dude ;) |
| 18:40.37 | wolfdream | phreak: me too... I'm so desperate for help on this... I'm just jumping at anything that even LOOKS like help. :) |
| 18:40.52 | maher | hardwire: just use the old version of gcc |
| 18:41.05 | hardwire | maher: I would |
| 18:41.07 | hardwire | 3.4 ? |
| 18:41.12 | hardwire | how do I downgrade easily? |
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| 18:41.24 | pablum | hardwire, CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 18:41.28 | pablum | or something... |
| 18:41.53 | maher | hardwire: you probably still have the old version |
| 18:41.57 | greycat | hardwire: apt-get install gcc-3.3, and then just use gcc-3.3 where you used gcc before. |
| 18:42.01 | hardwire | maher: I do |
| 18:42.12 | hardwire | but I am trying to work with module-assistant |
| 18:42.17 | hardwire | and make-kpkg as well |
| 18:42.18 | greycat | (remember that the linux kernel makefile has two places) |
| 18:42.28 | greycat | (and the modules have their own makefiles) |
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| 18:42.44 | wolfdream | so, now that I've made an idiot of myself... anyone else have some suggestions? |
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| 18:43.13 | CowboyCode1 | anyone know how to do a async read from STDIN? |
| 18:43.20 | hardwire | greycat: yeh.. this is so broken |
| 18:43.34 | raf256 | CowboyCode1, ##c |
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| 18:43.56 | greycat | hardwire: welcome to unstable! |
| 18:43.59 | hardwire | greycat: any idea what gcc-4 is being so strict about or missing? |
| 18:43.59 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 18:44.00 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:44.05 | maher | hardwire: /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink |
| 18:44.06 | greycat | hardwire: didn't bother looking yet. |
| 18:44.10 | greycat | maher: that too. |
| 18:44.15 | reco | whidh is the best tool to format a second drive in my debian box? |
| 18:44.25 | maher | wolfdream: do you have any other scsi box? |
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| 18:44.30 | raf256 | hardwire, $file /usr/bin/gcc |
| 18:44.32 | hardwire | greycat: I don't mind being in unstable.. but wow.. its never been this unstable for me |
| 18:44.39 | greycat | reco: cfdisk, fdisk |
| 18:44.50 | wolfdream | maher: many. |
| 18:44.52 | greycat | hardwire: welcome to just-after-a-release unstable! |
| 18:44.57 | hardwire | ahha :) |
| 18:45.00 | quitte | kismet doesn't hop through the channels. any idea why? |
| 18:45.03 | hardwire | all this for asterisk 1.0.9 |
| 18:45.14 | DA_ | greycat: gotta love it |
| 18:45.18 | raf256 | what did UNSATBLE do now? |
| 18:45.25 | greycat | raf256: gcc 4.0 |
| 18:45.31 | maher | wolfdream: why don't you just plug a scsi drive into a different box, install on that and then plug it back... |
| 18:45.31 | hardwire | .1 |
| 18:45.32 | hardwire | :) |
| 18:45.38 | greycat | hardwire: mine's prerelease. |
| 18:45.41 | raf256 | gcc 4.0 is in testing as well isnt it |
| 18:45.43 | hardwire | howso? |
| 18:45.44 | greycat | gcc version 4.0.1 20050701 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.0-12) |
| 18:45.45 | Whisky_ | can anyone provide me with a link to installation help for MySql ? |
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| 18:45.58 | hardwire | mine too |
| 18:46.00 | hardwire | that exact |
| 18:46.04 | reco | greycat: thanx but when i open cfdisk i just see the partisions on my first running disk. man cfdisk says: The current version does not support multiple disks. |
| 18:46.17 | greycat | reco: cfdisk /dev/MYOTHERDISK |
| 18:46.17 | raf256 | reco, use cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 18:46.22 | greycat | duh. |
| 18:46.24 | DA_ | Whisky_: check their website, they have full howto's also check tldp.org for a howto |
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| 18:46.25 | hardwire | greycat: I know for years everybody has wanted unstable to actually be.. unstable.. |
| 18:46.26 | sepski | Whisky_, installation ? just aptitude install mysql-server, that's how you install it. |
| 18:46.29 | hardwire | but why did it have to come now :) |
| 18:46.31 | reco | thanx |
| 18:46.36 | maher | Whisky_: /usr/share/doc/mysql |
| 18:46.37 | greycat | hardwire: because sarge finally released |
| 18:46.40 | hardwire | yeh |
| 18:46.43 | hardwire | I am happy about that |
| 18:46.48 | wolfdream | maher: how would I ensure that the drivers necessary to boot would be available? recompile the kernel with those modules? |
| 18:46.51 | greycat | hardwire: that means sid becomes a free-for-all again |
| 18:47.02 | Whisky_ | kl |
| 18:47.17 | hardwire | I should have looked more into things like learning how to only get from unstable if I request it |
| 18:47.27 | hardwire | any smart idea how to go from unstable back to testing |
| 18:47.34 | hardwire | this is a colo server 5 states from me |
| 18:47.39 | maher | wolfdream: look in /lib//modules/ for the modules |
| 18:47.42 | sepski | hardwire, backup userdata, reinstall, restore userdata |
| 18:48.03 | wolfdream | maher: I do that with altf2, and the modules I need are not in the RAM disk... |
| 18:48.07 | hardwire | actually.. I have a really cool device coming in soon that will help me |
| 18:48.14 | sepski | hardwire, or if you remember what packages got upgraded, set testing sources and reinstall those |
| 18:48.17 | greycat | hardwire: why the hell are you running unstable on a colo server? |
| 18:48.19 | hardwire | a kvm that emulates usb cdroms and is ip accessable |
| 18:48.21 | reco | greycat: so if my first disk is hda my second shoudl be hdb no? |
| 18:48.26 | hardwire | now I can reinstall remotely |
| 18:48.31 | reco | greycat: cfdisk /dev/hdb? |
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| 18:48.33 | maher | wolfdream: they may be in a full kernel - if you know precisely what modules you need you could check which kernel has them |
| 18:48.35 | greycat | reco: depends on how they're physically attached. try "dmesg | grep ^hd" |
| 18:48.41 | hardwire | sepski: I was thinking about that |
| 18:48.44 | hardwire | cludge comes to mind |
| 18:48.54 | wolfdream | maher: ah... |
| 18:49.01 | raf256 | !beer for devels of NForcer3 audio card dribers for linux |
| 18:49.04 | hardwire | sepski: are you familiar with setting unstables priority in apt.conf? |
| 18:49.16 | maher | wolfdream: do you have the list of modules you need? |
| 18:49.33 | hardwire | I did need a few packages from unstable.. but I didn't want the build-deps that had to come with it (I.E. gcc-4.0) |
| 18:49.34 | wolfdream | maher: that's been part of my problem, there seems to be much mentioned about the necessary drivers (dpt_i2o), but almost nothing in regard to the new d-i |
| 18:49.38 | wolfdream | maher: yes |
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| 18:49.54 | reco | greycat: no output :( sorry i am new to debian |
| 18:49.54 | maher | wolfdream: paste it in #flood |
| 18:50.03 | greycat | reco: grep hd /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:50.10 | hardwire | greycat: I was running unstable because I felt foolish.. too much coffee.. the whole nine yards |
| 18:50.41 | sepski | hardwire, i guess you can rad about pinning, but in my experience it usualy leads to grief |
| 18:50.41 | hardwire | I really needed the unstable packages for asterisk too :( |
| 18:50.48 | reco | greycat: cool thanx hdc ;) |
| 18:50.49 | sepski | s/rad/read/ |
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| 18:50.52 | greycat | !tell hardwire about simple sid backport |
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| 18:51.30 | hardwire | greycat: no shit |
| 18:51.34 | maher | hardwire: run stable on the remote box with unstable in a chroot if you must... |
| 18:51.34 | hardwire | I think I love you |
| 18:51.44 | hardwire | my g/f is gonna be pissed. |
| 18:51.56 | maher | wolfdream: how ar eyou running the installer? |
| 18:52.01 | hardwire | maher: ah. I have to get used to "what is stable" now :) |
| 18:52.21 | hardwire | for instance.. is sarge now "stable" and using d-i ? |
| 18:52.34 | greycat | sarge is stable. |
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| 18:53.00 | wolfdream | maher: i've tried it with floppy, netinst and regular cd, with linux, expert, linux26 and expert26. That error is seen when I run the expert(26)... |
| 18:53.07 | greycat | hardwire: be warned that as stable diverges from unstable, the "simple sid backport" becomes less and less simple. |
| 18:53.20 | hardwire | etch? |
| 18:53.22 | hardwire | weird |
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| 18:53.45 | wolfdream | right now, sid = etch, right? |
| 18:53.54 | greycat | no. |
| 18:53.56 | EdibleText | wolfdream, sid=sid |
| 18:53.56 | idnar | no, etch = etch |
| 18:54.01 | wolfdream | damn! |
| 18:54.03 | greycat | etch is testing, sid is (and shall ever be) unstable |
| 18:54.04 | hardwire | greycat: well it looks like I am going to be sending this IP-KVM down to the colo so I can eventually reinstall it |
| 18:54.15 | hardwire | greycat: but I like the simple sid backport idea |
| 18:54.22 | maher | wolfdream: well all those modules seem to be in 2.6.8-2 - so just install a full kernel on the scsi drive and plug it in to the new box |
| 18:54.28 | sepski | hardwire, you have a url for that kvm ? you said it could emulate cd images ? |
| 18:54.47 | hardwire | sepski: yeh.. its quite simply the most amazing thing .. I have 3 coming in via fedex today |
| 18:54.58 | hardwire | and the d-i installer worked well with usb-cdroms so I am all excited |
| 18:55.03 | hardwire | sepski: lemme find it |
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| 18:55.37 | hardwire | sepski: it can also control over 16 serial devices |
| 18:55.39 | wolfdream | maher: but isn't the kernel that is used for the linux26 install = 2.6.8? that's part of my confusion... (among other things) |
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| 18:55.53 | greycat | wolfdream: it's a HEAVILY PATCHED 2.6.8.1 |
| 18:55.54 | hardwire | as well as a serial ac shutoff system |
| 18:55.57 | rpmx | hi |
| 18:56.32 | hardwire | greycat: my question is.. why doesn't somebody smarter than me chug a gallon of coffee and fix all my idiotic issues? |
| 18:56.36 | hardwire | I HAVE MONEY |
| 18:56.40 | rpmx | in squirrelmail I have problem the session expired , How I fix this problem and setting to 1 hour |
| 18:56.42 | hardwire | well.. not enough.. |
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| 18:56.56 | greycat | rpmx: ask #squirrelmail |
| 18:57.08 | simonrvn | so nice to have my stuff working nicely again *smilesigh* |
| 18:57.10 | simonrvn | ak your text editor |
| 18:57.12 | simonrvn | ask* |
| 18:57.14 | maher | wolfdream: yes - but i don't know if it has all the modules |
| 18:57.18 | rpmx | greycat, brillant wow |
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| 18:57.39 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 18:58.16 | simonrvn | non-snarky response, and you get a snarky answer. typical |
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| 18:58.52 | hardwire | sepski: doh.. can you just go to startech.com and search for SV220IPEXT |
| 18:58.54 | wolfdream | greycat: is that a heavily patched = new and improved, or = removed mostly dangerous and unneccessary stuff? |
| 18:58.58 | hardwire | my laptops firefox is freaking |
| 18:59.08 | newdebus1 | does anyone know how to build a kernel debian style that will boot an evms volume as root from lilo? |
| 18:59.12 | simonrvn | wolfdream: patches for fixes of various sorts |
| 18:59.37 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 18:59.37 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 18:59.48 | greycat | it's "patches to make it work because the Linux developers couldn't bother" |
| 18:59.54 | simonrvn | those too |
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| 19:00.06 | wolfdream | sweet |
| 19:00.17 | hardwire | sepski: http://www.startech.com/ststore/itemdetail.cfm?ProductID=SV1110IPEXT&mt=k |
| 19:00.18 | hardwire | there we go |
| 19:00.20 | hardwire | nice stuff |
| 19:00.47 | rking | what's an example of behavior affected by $LANG? i have a coworker who is afraid to set it from C to en_US.UTF-8, and i'm not sure if i understand it well enough to argue against him or to admit my wrongness. |
| 19:01.22 | resiak | rking: Being able to type … ? |
| 19:01.37 | simonrvn | nothing really. just make sure the terminal knows it should be in 2 byte mode |
| 19:01.39 | greycat | rking: the most visible change will be the sorting of files by ls. |
| 19:01.53 | simonrvn | echo -e "\x1b%G" |
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| 19:02.14 | rking | greycat: aha! right, i thought i was going crazy that it now puts the Makefile in the middle. =) |
| 19:02.41 | greycat | rking: yeah, that's not always a positive change. |
| 19:02.54 | simonrvn | you can fix that with setting LC_COLLATE (?) to C (or is it some other LC_ thing)? |
| 19:02.57 | greycat | rking: but it's *really nice* for directories full of MP3s that other people named. |
| 19:03.05 | resiak | simonrvn: UTF-8 is two-byte? |
| 19:03.09 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:03.18 | resiak | greycat: What's wrong with the sorting? |
| 19:03.23 | sepski | hardwire, very nice. wonder what the thing costs up here north |
| 19:03.38 | rking | simonrvn/resiak: nope - utf-8 is variable-width, which is its beauty |
| 19:03.40 | resiak | simonrvn: Isn't the whole point of UTF-8 that characters are variable-width? |
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| 19:03.51 | resiak | rking: Exactly as I thought :) |
| 19:03.53 | hardwire | sepski: how north? |
| 19:03.54 | simonrvn | i said nothing about the width |
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| 19:04.04 | sepski | norway |
| 19:04.07 | resiak | simonrvn: Byte width, that is. |
| 19:04.09 | hardwire | sepski: I am in Alaska |
| 19:04.13 | rking | resiak: the whole reason why the tradition is capital-M-akefile is because it'll get out of the way of your listings. i don't care, personally |
| 19:04.20 | sepski | hardwire, nice :) |
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| 19:04.29 | hardwire | weather is nice here atm |
| 19:04.42 | rking | resiak: what do you mean by "2 byte mode"? i may be missing something |
| 19:04.44 | hardwire | norway must be fun |
| 19:04.44 | sepski | atlest wer on the same hemishpere |
| 19:04.48 | hardwire | do they have USB there? |
| 19:04.50 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:04.59 | resiak | rking: I was asking simonrvn that exact same question, really. |
| 19:05.28 | rking | resiak: hehe - i've gotten rusty at my multi-threaded irc'ing |
| 19:05.33 | simonrvn | i echo that ^^ so that i get less garbage in my terms |
| 19:05.47 | furball` | Hmm... Anyone could hint me what I'm doing wrong? I have http://www.digiconcepts.com/ecs_motherboards_10.htm ecs k7som motherboard with onboard ac97 , I've compiled a 2.6.12 kernel with alsa built in, I think I checked everything with 'sis' or 'ac97' in it, added the user to the sound group... Yet alsaconf says 'No supported PnP or PCI card found' |
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| 19:05.50 | simonrvn | echo -e "\x1b%G" |
| 19:05.55 | rking | simonrvn: what exactly does it do? |
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| 19:06.06 | shingouz | !ac97 |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 19:06.08 | simonrvn | sets the term up for utf |
| 19:06.12 | shingouz | furball`: ^^^ |
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| 19:07.01 | resiak | rking: Oh, and zsh doesn't do UTF-8, if zsh is your bag. |
| 19:07.05 | marcot | Hello, I was using kernel 2.6 and the network card was working fine. Now I've changed to 2.4 because of a ISA sound card that only works with 2.4, and when I try to bring up the network it says: |
| 19:07.21 | marcot | SIOSCIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
| 19:07.22 | simonrvn | yeh. the main bug with me is zsh's lack of utf-8 :| |
| 19:07.28 | marcot | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 19:07.39 | marcot | Does anyone know how can I make this card work in 2.4? |
| 19:07.40 | resiak | simonrvn: What do you use zsh for, out of interest? |
| 19:07.51 | simonrvn | my default shell |
| 19:07.54 | caphuso | simonrvn: bah, easy to solve... just rewrite the whole completion system ;-) |
| 19:07.58 | simonrvn | what else? :) |
| 19:07.58 | marcot | It's using driver 8139too |
| 19:08.03 | simonrvn | caphuso: hehe |
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| 19:08.06 | rking | resiak: yeah, just figured that out, today. i'm considering diving in for the patch... it just miscalculates the line width is all (i think) |
| 19:08.28 | caphuso | and don't let the fact that even the head developer is afraid of those parts of the code scare you |
| 19:08.38 | simonrvn | if i have root access on the box, i install it ;) |
| 19:08.41 | furball` | Mmk, thanks, I'll try looking for those |
| 19:08.49 | resiak | simonrvn: ...go figure. But what of its features? |
| 19:09.05 | simonrvn | don't you use it already? |
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| 19:09.14 | shingouz | marcot: /msg dpkg realtek |
| 19:09.20 | caphuso | resiak: it's easier to list the features it doesn't have |
| 19:09.25 | resiak | simonrvn: Yes, I do. I'm wondering why _you_ do. :) |
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| 19:09.54 | resiak | caphuso: UTF-8. Oh, and I wish that ls *<TAB> wouldn't expand the *. |
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| 19:10.06 | caphuso | resiak: then don't make it expand the * |
| 19:10.12 | Project | can i get help installing the nvidia driver |
| 19:10.15 | Project | http://wiki.tuxemu.com/index.php/Debian_Binary_NVIDIA_Driver_Installation_Guide |
| 19:10.18 | Project | ive been following this guide |
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| 19:10.35 | Project | but when i get to this part |
| 19:10.36 | Project | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx |
| 19:10.48 | Project | it says it cant find the nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:11.02 | sepski | Project, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 19:11.14 | rking | what do i have to do to get mutt to do iconv's correctly? here's an email that plainly declared itself as Windows-1251, and iconv knows exactly how to iconv -f windows-1251 -t utf-8... but yet mutt shows me garbage. =( |
| 19:11.15 | stew | Project: that howto has you installing and building kernel-source which is unneccessary, follow the one liner |
| 19:11.42 | simonrvn | the completion power firstly; second, the fact that completion makes everything so much more accessible - like man far<tab> and gives me everything starting with far, getting away from bash, i don't like bash very much, being able to have funky aliases, a few other things i don't care to list off |
| 19:11.50 | caphuso | resiak: educated guess without knowing your configuration: you have bound complete-or-expand to TAB |
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| 19:12.01 | caphuso | err, expand-or-complete |
| 19:12.31 | Project | jesus |
| 19:12.36 | Project | this could have saved me a long time |
| 19:12.38 | simonrvn | man *far<tab> gives you anything with far anywhere in it |
| 19:12.39 | Project | a lot of time |
| 19:12.39 | Project | =P |
| 19:12.45 | caphuso | resiak: so, a quick fix, assuming the function based completion system and that your completer list is configured appropriately, is bindkey '^I' complete-word |
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| 19:13.39 | simonrvn | you could have it complete without the * as well, but i find that annoying, gives too much output |
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| 19:14.12 | caphuso | simonrvn: not if you do it properly. make it only do substring matches if nothing else completes |
| 19:14.20 | simonrvn | man fa |
| 19:14.20 | simonrvn | Completing manual page |
| 19:14.26 | Project | do i need to edit my sources.list |
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| 19:14.29 | Project | with anything |
| 19:14.35 | simonrvn | factor fadeplot (several more) |
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| 19:14.56 | Project | giving me error that i need to edit my sources.list |
| 19:15.06 | rking | simonrvn: how do you do the part where you make completion function-based? i had all of this working at one point, and managed to lose the functionality |
| 19:15.07 | simonrvn | caphuso: that's true. did that once, and didn't have a recent backup, so i lost it |
| 19:15.14 | rking | simonrvn: my ^I is (now) bound to word-complete |
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| 19:15.40 | simonrvn | just does it AFAIR |
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| 19:15.43 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:15.44 | resiak | caphuso, simonrvn: _Ace_. |
| 19:15.54 | rking | a good example of smart-completion that i would like to have is "svn add" completeing to only files that aren't known by the repo |
| 19:16.18 | rking | simonrvn: i'm on testing/unstable, and with the latest zsh... |
| 19:16.22 | caphuso | simonrvn: zstyle ':completion:*' completer <your normal stuff here> _complete:-substring\nzstyle ':completion:*:complete-substring:*' matcher-list 'm:{a-z}={A-Z} l:|=**' |
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| 19:16.33 | simonrvn | aah, danke |
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| 19:17.11 | Project | do i need to update my sources.list to run that one liner? |
| 19:17.13 | caphuso | simonrvn: that will, if no other completers generate output, do substring and half-case insensitive matching |
| 19:17.27 | rking | caphuso: what kinds of things do you have in your <your normal stuff here>? |
| 19:17.30 | simonrvn | neat |
| 19:17.52 | simonrvn | zstyle ':completion:*:processes' command 'ps -o pid,s,nice,stime,args' =) |
| 19:18.02 | rking | ahh |
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| 19:18.04 | caphuso | rking: zstyle ':completion:*' completer _complete _match _force_rehash _correct _complete:-extended _prefix _ignored _complete:-substring |
| 19:18.28 | stew | Project: the factoid says that you need non-free |
| 19:18.29 | greycat | Project: you'll need contrib and non-free I think |
| 19:18.32 | simonrvn | oh, force_rehash, nice one |
| 19:18.41 | mentor | Feh. |
| 19:18.50 | Project | afah |
| 19:18.51 | Project | k |
| 19:18.59 | caphuso | simonrvn: _force_rehash() { (( CURRENT=1 )) && rehash return 1} |
| 19:19.00 | rking | caphuso: any way i could hit you up for your .zshrc? i'd really like to have this completion working again |
| 19:19.05 | simonrvn | cool |
| 19:19.09 | marcot | shingouz: Yes, but it's not working for me. |
| 19:19.15 | hardwire | sepski: hah.. it just arrived.. time to test usb boot |
| 19:19.20 | marcot | shingouz: It has allways worked fine. |
| 19:19.23 | mentor | I want to store users' mailbox locations in LDAP...what attribute can I use? |
| 19:19.26 | marcot | shingouz: mainly in 2.6 |
| 19:19.36 | simonrvn | mentor: ask #ldap |
| 19:19.41 | phreak | Hmm, how do I delete stuff that I get Operation not permitted? :) I AM root and it's old /proc stuff that's been left some how, and is hogging like 200MB |
| 19:19.52 | phreak | From a system booted with nfsroot that is. |
| 19:19.53 | marcot | Maybe I should try another driver? |
| 19:19.59 | furball` | If I intend to use kernel 2.6, do I need /dev support at all? |
| 19:20.04 | simonrvn | no |
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| 19:20.49 | rking | i thought that compctl was outdated, and that zstyle ':completion... was related to it? |
| 19:20.58 | caphuso | rking: 84.129.189.216/~caphuso/zshrc |
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| 19:21.18 | rking | caphuso: awesome - much thanks |
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| 19:21.49 | simonrvn | caphuso: wow, neat shit :) |
| 19:22.08 | caphuso | simonrvn: nah, most of it is pretty standard |
| 19:22.14 | phreak | ah, solved it by mounting proc theren and then umounting it. |
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| 19:22.41 | vtbhoher | exit |
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| 19:23.44 | jasoncohen | i'm trying to login to my debian box from ubuntu using XDCMP login. i'm able to see the debian box in the XDCMP screen but when i start the connection i just get a cursor with a black screen |
| 19:23.54 | simonrvn | cool, still works |
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| 19:24.31 | simonrvn | see ya later. thanks |
| 19:25.15 | jasoncohen | i have "always disallow TCP connections to X server" disabled and XDMCP enabled on both the client and the server through gdmsetup. it's on a local network |
| 19:25.28 | jasoncohen | ah, i just started up firestarter to check my logs- port 6000 was being blocked |
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| 19:26.32 | lestest | hi there .... is it possible to print on a windows shared printer without having the drivers? |
| 19:26.42 | `chris | oh god dude why are you running xdcmp |
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| 19:27.00 | greycat | perhaps he has X terminals |
| 19:27.12 | `chris | and loves getting rooted ? |
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| 19:28.05 | marcot | What does SIOSCIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy mean? |
| 19:28.21 | greycat | tell us what command you ran to produce that. |
| 19:28.39 | marcot | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 19:28.57 | greycat | perhaps it's already up? |
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| 19:29.44 | greycat | google says "Did you mean: SIOCSIFFLAGS: device or resource busy" |
| 19:29.52 | marcot | greycat: when I do just ifconfig, it only shows lo. |
| 19:30.03 | `chris | marcot does lspci show your ethernet card ? |
| 19:30.12 | greycat | do you mean "ifconfig -a"? well that would make it really damned hard to alter the settings on eth0, then. |
| 19:30.13 | marcot | greycat: I have mistyped it. |
| 19:30.21 | marcot | `chris: yes. |
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| 19:30.39 | monsoon | hi |
| 19:30.40 | greycat | if you forgot the -a on ifconfig -a, then it doesn't show all the interfaces. |
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| 19:30.45 | marcot | greycat: ifconfig -a shows eth0. |
| 19:30.58 | monsoon | what debian should I get to run on a quad pentium pro server? |
| 19:31.08 | greycat | marcot: good, good.... |
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| 19:31.14 | marcot | with inet addr.: 192.168.0.3 ... |
| 19:31.16 | greycat | monsoon: sarge |
| 19:31.17 | Ronin | monsoon: none, you should send me that box |
| 19:31.23 | marcot | But when I try to ping 192.168.0.1 it says: |
| 19:31.25 | greycat | marcot: is it already up? |
| 19:31.26 | [Hostile] | im looking to try out debian....what iso's do I need? |
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| 19:31.27 | stew | monsoon: /msg dpkg install debian |
| 19:31.29 | monsoon | I mean i386? |
| 19:31.34 | greycat | marcot: is the cable plugged in? |
| 19:31.35 | monsoon | Ronin :) not mine |
| 19:31.37 | greycat | monsoon: of course. |
| 19:31.47 | monsoon | of course I see |
| 19:31.48 | marcot | Network is unreachable |
| 19:31.50 | monsoon | thx |
| 19:32.01 | greycat | !i386 |
| 19:32.01 | dpkg | i386 is probably the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 19:32.04 | marcot | greycat: It's plugged. |
| 19:32.05 | monsoon | doesnt it have to use smp kernel or something? |
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| 19:32.12 | Project | how can i shift my desktop to the right |
| 19:32.21 | marcot | greycat: And both lights of the network cards are on. |
| 19:32.24 | greycat | marcot: check dmesg for other errors. I suspect hardware. |
| 19:32.29 | simonrvn | move the monitor 2 cm |
| 19:32.30 | greycat | marcot: hmm on the lights. |
| 19:32.37 | goron | simonrvn: I wanted to say the same. |
| 19:32.38 | marcot | It's a crossover cable, only with two cards. |
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| 19:32.47 | greycat | is the other card on? |
| 19:32.56 | stew | monsoon: after you get the base install done, you'll want to apt-get install a -686-smp kernel |
| 19:33.23 | marcot | greycat: the last message in dmesg is from the 8139too module coming up. |
| 19:33.34 | jim | some asshole is trying to root me |
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| 19:33.40 | marcot | greycat: the other card is on my computer, well configured. |
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| 19:34.02 | deigo | is there anyway to print out a list of packages that have been removed but not purged? |
| 19:34.09 | deigo | (as in, config and so forth still resides in the system) |
| 19:34.27 | johni | hello everybody, I have a problem with a belkin ups on usb. I cannot make it work with the bulldog software, the usb port does not seem to respond, any help would be more than welcomed |
| 19:34.44 | valdyn | deigo: dpkg -l |
| 19:34.52 | greycat | marcot: perhaps the card is actually malfunctioning. |
| 19:34.59 | greycat | marcot: I'd try another if you have one |
| 19:35.01 | deigo | and grep it for what? |
| 19:35.03 | lovdahls | deigo: dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 19:35.11 | nvz | deigo: dpkg -l | egrep ^.rc |
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| 19:35.19 | deigo | thanks |
| 19:35.29 | marcot | greycat: hum... I don't. |
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| 19:35.47 | marcot | greycat: that's strange cause in 2.6 kernel it was working fine. |
| 19:36.10 | greycat | marcot: then use 2.6.. |
| 19:36.20 | deigo | johni: does the usb port respond to thinks other than the ups? |
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| 19:36.55 | marcot | greycat: I can't because of a ISA sound card that only works in 2.4 |
| 19:36.58 | adham | dose anyone know how to download mplayer |
| 19:37.05 | greycat | yank it! |
| 19:37.06 | resiak | !tell adham -about marillat |
| 19:37.07 | resiak | !dose |
| 19:37.08 | rbochan | !mplayer |
| 19:37.09 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 19:37.11 | resiak | :( |
| 19:37.12 | greycat | jesus, get a PCI one for $5 already |
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| 19:37.32 | adham | im new at this |
| 19:37.36 | adham | im only 13 |
| 19:37.38 | johni | deigo: I have no ideea, I think the problem is from the usb ports. How can I see if the usb port works? the usbcore module is loaded. I even checked dmesg and seems to be loaded but other than that I am not sure what to do |
| 19:37.39 | greycat | adham: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:37.43 | greycat | adham: age is not relevant |
| 19:37.57 | jethro | and 13 brings bad luck |
| 19:37.58 | adham | ok |
| 19:38.05 | adham | hey |
| 19:38.08 | greycat | no, it brings puberty, which has its own problems |
| 19:38.10 | jethro | :) |
| 19:38.15 | deigo | johni: don't have a usb keyboard or mouse or thumb drive laying around? |
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| 19:38.27 | greycat | but they shouldn't affect his ability to read dpkg's factoids |
| 19:38.33 | adham | no duh |
| 19:38.37 | jethro | heh of course :) |
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| 19:39.00 | deigo | http://www.linux-usb.org/usbtest/ might be helpful to you johni |
| 19:39.02 | linuxnwb | question... |
| 19:39.03 | marcot | greycat: sound card? |
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| 19:39.17 | linuxnwb | about knoppix |
| 19:39.23 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 19:39.24 | Project | when i do apt-get install mplayer |
| 19:39.24 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 19:39.24 | jethro | linuxnwb: /j #knoppix |
| 19:39.26 | marcot | greycat: I prefer to use my ISA sound card, it's here. |
| 19:39.27 | Project | it cant find package |
| 19:39.32 | reco | i am using cfdisk to create a ext3 partition but when i enter code 85 which is 'Linux Extended' type it creates me a regular Linux partition, am i doing something wrong? |
| 19:39.34 | linuxnwb | can nebody help me? |
| 19:39.34 | Project | do i need to add another deb http thingy |
| 19:39.39 | greycat | !seen nebody |
| 19:39.40 | dpkg | greycat: i haven't seen 'nebody' |
| 19:39.42 | marcot | hum... |
| 19:39.44 | greycat | no, sorry. |
| 19:39.48 | `chris | Project: search for it first using apt-cache search mplayer |
| 19:39.56 | `chris | but first do apt-get update to get the current package listing |
| 19:39.57 | greycat | Project: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:40.06 | deigo | Project: you aren't connect to a repository that hosts it, you might try downloading the source package and compiling it yourself. |
| 19:40.12 | linuxnwb | how long does it take to put debian on a compy? |
| 19:40.15 | marcot | And there's no reason for not using it. |
| 19:40.26 | linuxnwb | like weeks? cuz gentoo just takes too long for me |
| 19:40.33 | `chris | linuxnwb: 20 minutes if you know what you're doing and the machine is new, an hour if either of those is false |
| 19:40.33 | greycat | linuxnwb: an hour at most. |
| 19:40.36 | deigo | linuxnwb: depending on expertise 20 minutes to an hour and half |
| 19:40.43 | dippo | man this is so bizarre. i have an instance of apache on this debian (woody) box that refuses to log anything to /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 19:40.44 | EdibleText | gentoosmite linuxnwb |
| 19:40.47 | greycat | once the ISO is burned, of course. |
| 19:40.47 | dippo | it creates the file, but it never writes anything to it |
| 19:40.56 | resiak | 2 hours if you have a sucky .5mbit net connection :) |
| 19:41.02 | linuxnwb | yeah.. this computer is like kinda screwd up |
| 19:41.08 | deigo | i was assuming your not doing a net install as well |
| 19:41.15 | deigo | cause then it would obviously take longer. |
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| 19:41.35 | linuxnwb | i wiped the HD, and booted to knoppix, only it wouldn't let me write/delete anything on it |
| 19:41.45 | deigo | ... |
| 19:41.45 | Ronin | Pass1word# |
| 19:41.49 | Ronin | lol shit |
| 19:41.58 | EdibleText | oh snap! |
| 19:41.59 | linuxnwb | yeah i got an iso |
| 19:42.03 | deigo | its a cd, you can't write anything to it, you can however use part of your ram as a partition and write stuff there, course, thatll all be gone when you restart. |
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| 19:42.17 | dippo | anoneanyone have any idea what could cause that? |
| 19:42.19 | jethro | !hack Ronin |
| 19:42.20 | linuxnwb | but.. what about the HD? |
| 19:42.25 | linuxnwb | deigo |
| 19:42.28 | dippo | i even looked at lsof, and apache is holding open the same inode that matches /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 19:42.43 | rbochan | dippo: you haven't by chance manually deleted everything from that log file have you? |
| 19:42.44 | Ronin | good thing that was just a temp password for a user account then jethro |
| 19:42.55 | deigo | linuxnwb: why are you using a knoppix cd to try to install debian to the hard drive? |
| 19:43.01 | jethro | Ronin: yes, because it's really a weak one :) |
| 19:43.08 | linuxnwb | idk.. is that what i'm supposed to do? |
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| 19:43.22 | Ronin | jethro: yep but they get forced to change it first logon so we're not too concerned |
| 19:43.26 | dippo | rbochan: no |
| 19:43.26 | resiak | linuxnwb: No. |
| 19:43.31 | edwin_gurde | i've asked this q before , but here it goes again |
| 19:43.36 | deigo | linuxnwb: generally, no, youd burn an iso, do a net install or use jigdo |
| 19:43.36 | dippo | i've tried purging the log file and restarting apache |
| 19:43.37 | rbochan | dippo: tried restarting apache? |
| 19:43.38 | resiak | !tell linuxnwb -about install debian |
| 19:43.40 | maher | linuxnwb: what do you want to do? |
| 19:43.41 | dippo | it creates the log file, but never writes anything to it |
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| 19:43.47 | dippo | i have even done apt-get remove --purge apache |
| 19:43.48 | dippo | and reinstalled |
| 19:43.51 | dippo | it's a barebones stock install |
| 19:43.53 | deigo | dippo: can you write stuff to it if you su - nobody |
| 19:43.53 | deigo | ? |
| 19:43.55 | jethro | Ronin: network logons? |
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| 19:43.57 | linuxnwb | put some form of linux on my box |
| 19:43.58 | edwin_gurde | i want to write a linux app for a contest |
| 19:44.02 | dippo | i get entries in error.log but not access.log |
| 19:44.03 | edwin_gurde | have you got any ideas? |
| 19:44.06 | marcot | greycat: and the worse part is that it was working just a minutes ago. |
| 19:44.07 | rbochan | dippo: checked the apache config, perhaps logging was accidentally commented out? |
| 19:44.14 | edwin_gurde | what is the linux app/feature you miss the most? |
| 19:44.14 | dippo | rbochan: yeah, i checked |
| 19:44.17 | spundun_ | hi all... |
| 19:44.18 | Ronin | jethro: actually its a windows domain the account is on |
| 19:44.21 | dippo | in any event i am using the stock httpd.conf that comes with the packagein woody now |
| 19:44.22 | marcot | greycat: and stopped working in a file transfer. |
| 19:44.24 | linuxnwb | i just want to put linux on there to get familiarized w/ it |
| 19:44.26 | deigo | rbochan: it wouldn't create the file and lsof wouldn't show the open inode |
| 19:44.26 | dippo | it's very weird. i can't figure it out |
| 19:44.29 | rbochan | might try purging and reinstalling |
| 19:44.32 | resiak | edwin_gurde: What do _you_ miss? |
| 19:44.32 | rking | i'm having a bit of trouble understanding how xim, uim, scim, etc. all work together. i successfullly got uim-xim --engine=anthy working, but i'd like to be able to type Chinese/pinyin... forgive the vagueness of this, i'm just a bit exhausted |
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| 19:44.38 | spundun_ | on my deian ia64 machine the home partition suddenly seems to have crashed... |
| 19:44.39 | dippo | deigo: well, apache in debian runs as www-data, no? |
| 19:44.41 | jethro | Ronin: and leaking temporary passwords :) |
| 19:44.45 | edwin_gurde | i'm collecting ideas now |
| 19:44.46 | dippo | in any event, doesn't it open the logfiles as root before changing users? |
| 19:44.48 | linuxnwb | help.. |
| 19:44.52 | dippo | all my logfiles on my other machines are owned by root |
| 19:44.53 | deigo | linuxnwb: read this http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 19:44.55 | spundun_ | on boot I get errors like incosistent partition etc... |
| 19:44.55 | edwin_gurde | could use a few ideas other than my own ones |
| 19:44.59 | maher | edwin_gurde: make rsync daemon authenticate against username and/or pam |
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| 19:45.08 | spundun_ | and then it fails .. the entire computer hangs.. |
| 19:45.22 | Ronin | jethro: heck hack our network, it will give our security folks something to do other then bitch at the techs for bypassing security :) |
| 19:45.38 | spundun_ | the /home partition is separate from / .. can I boot the mahcine without home partition? |
| 19:45.40 | linuxnwb | reading.. sucks |
| 19:45.49 | rbochan | get over it |
| 19:45.51 | deigo | spundun_: yes, but youll have problems logging in as someone other than root |
| 19:45.52 | Ronin | linuxnwb: then linux may not be for you |
| 19:45.56 | `chris | spundun_: sure |
| 19:45.57 | jethro | Ronin: ask dpkg :) |
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| 19:46.14 | spundun_ | deigo: I need to recover my hom partition.... |
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| 19:46.21 | deigo | use parted |
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| 19:46.36 | linuxnwb | okay i lied, i don't have a debian iso |
| 19:46.39 | nagytalp | re |
| 19:46.45 | resiak | linuxnwb: Go get one then. |
| 19:46.46 | rbochan | dippo: about the only thing I can suggest is to purge then reinstall apache |
| 19:46.46 | stew | spundun_: thank goodness for backups |
| 19:46.50 | linuxnwb | do i have to use p2p to get it? |
| 19:46.51 | edwin_gurde | i would like to write something that would : 1. improve existing linux app; 2. extend the user community of that program; 3. be something usefull |
| 19:46.55 | dippo | rbochan: already did that :/ |
| 19:47.04 | resiak | edwin_gurde: What do you miss? |
| 19:47.07 | spundun_ | deigo: how do I boot without the machine crashing? it always crashes on boot whn it tries to fix the fs inconsistency on /home |
| 19:47.08 | linuxnwb | can i use ftp/http ? |
| 19:47.08 | rbochan | started from a fresh config file too? |
| 19:47.10 | maher | dippo: strace it or turn on debug mode and don't detach it from the terminal |
| 19:47.14 | EdibleText | linuxnwb, yes |
| 19:47.18 | resiak | edwin_gurde: Just look at some Linux blogs. |
| 19:47.20 | marcot | greycat: I think I found the problem here. There's no route in route -n |
| 19:47.21 | greycat | linuxnwb: yes |
| 19:47.21 | spundun_ | stew: no backups. |
| 19:47.21 | linuxnwb | where... |
| 19:47.32 | EdibleText | !tell linuxnwb about d-i |
| 19:47.33 | edwin_gurde | I miss an app oriented firewall |
| 19:47.36 | linuxnwb | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 19:47.36 | edwin_gurde | like zonealarm |
| 19:47.40 | edwin_gurde | only smarter |
| 19:47.41 | greycat | marcot: well, there wouldn't be, if there's no interfaces to route through. |
| 19:47.44 | rbochan | edward_: barf |
| 19:47.45 | resiak | edwin_gurde: Then write it, but I think they exist. |
| 19:47.46 | linuxnwb | has a bunch.. but most don't work |
| 19:47.50 | linuxnwb | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 19:47.53 | greycat | !d-i linuxnwb |
| 19:47.54 | dpkg | linuxnwb, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:47.55 | deigo | dippo: as i said, have you tried logging in as the apache user and writing to the file |
| 19:47.59 | Ronin | linuxnwb: read what dpkg has told you |
| 19:48.06 | deigo | it might have been chattr'd to not be writable |
| 19:48.10 | nagytalp | can anybody tellin' how can i restore my iptables to the original -zero day- state? |
| 19:48.11 | nagytalp | :) |
| 19:48.16 | dippo | deigo: yes, but you wouldn't be able to write to the file in any event |
| 19:48.18 | linuxnwb | k... |
| 19:48.22 | dippo | the log files are owned by root, not by www-data |
| 19:48.24 | deigo | ? |
| 19:48.25 | linuxnwb | freaking linux.. |
| 19:48.25 | deigo | hows that |
| 19:48.43 | linuxnwb | you gotta read a ton of junk |
| 19:48.49 | EdibleText | nagytalp, iptables -F |
| 19:48.52 | rbochan | waaaaa |
| 19:48.53 | johni | deigo: I cannot make any test work. they all fail |
| 19:48.54 | Ronin | linuxnwb: yep and it will never end too |
| 19:48.56 | maher | edwin_gurde: fix mount so that you can mount the same dir read-write / read only in different places |
| 19:48.59 | nagytalp | thanxomuccch |
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| 19:49.01 | nagytalp | :)) |
| 19:49.02 | marcot | greycat: eth0 is up. |
| 19:49.05 | EdibleText | !be manpage barbie |
| 19:49.05 | dpkg | *roff is HARD! Let's use texinfo! |
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| 19:49.58 | dippo | deigo: the log files are owned by root. www-data would never normally be able to write to them |
| 19:50.07 | dippo | i assume the apache daemon opens the logfiles before it changes to www-data |
| 19:50.14 | deigo | nope |
| 19:50.26 | deigo | it loses privileges as like the second step after getting the port open |
| 19:50.35 | deigo | so as to minimize the attack vector |
| 19:50.36 | rbochan | dippo: they're owned by root here too |
| 19:50.43 | marcot | greycat: when I do ifconfig eth0 down; invoke-rc.d networking restart it says that message: Device or resource busy |
| 19:50.56 | resiak | (I _think_.) |
| 19:51.00 | johni | deigo: I am not sure if the subsystem is active , /proc/bus/usb is empty , any ideeas ? |
| 19:51.09 | dippo | deigo: well, i don't know what to tell you |
| 19:51.16 | dippo | i've never had a debian machine that didn't have apache logs owned by root |
| 19:51.20 | maher | deigo: check perms on /var/log/apache |
| 19:51.39 | greycat | marcot: in the time you've wasted diagnosing this thing, you could've gotten a minimum wage job, flipped 12 hamburgers, gotten paid for it, gone to the store, and bought a new NIC |
| 19:51.49 | rbochan | lol |
| 19:52.04 | deigo | nic's are pretty damn cheap... |
| 19:52.10 | marcot | NIC? |
| 19:52.17 | spundun_ | Can someone tell me how can I boot debian sarge on ia64 without mounting my home partition? its got filesystems inconsistency (ext3) and linux hangs when recovering from it. |
| 19:52.17 | stew | !nic |
| 19:52.18 | dpkg | methinks nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 19:52.18 | deigo | network interface card |
| 19:52.31 | deigo | heh |
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| 19:52.33 | maher | spundun_: do you have a boot disk / cd |
| 19:52.34 | deigo | a whole crack rock? |
| 19:52.36 | deigo | your over paying |
| 19:52.37 | edwin_gurde | !debian |
| 19:52.37 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:52.43 | EdibleText | yes its a 3-com |
| 19:52.46 | greycat | maybe it's a very small rock |
| 19:52.51 | resiak | EdibleText: Speak to abrotman. He traded a cd burner for acid. |
| 19:52.53 | deigo | lol |
| 19:52.56 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:53.04 | marcot | greycat: this NIC is new. |
| 19:53.10 | deigo | johni: you say lsmod lists a usb module? |
| 19:53.10 | spundun_ | maher: yeah... |
| 19:53.13 | marcot | greycat: I've just bought it. |
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| 19:53.16 | resiak | You laugh, but I have IRC logs to prove it! |
| 19:53.17 | greycat | marcot: which kernel are you actually booting? |
| 19:53.17 | maher | spundun_: well boot to that |
| 19:53.21 | deigo | did you try to compile in usb support rather than loading it as a module? |
| 19:53.34 | greycat | (and why did you buy an rtl8139 of all things?) |
| 19:53.37 | spundun_ | maher: ummm... ok... I guess thats probably worth a try |
| 19:53.41 | ptlis | Hi, I installed Apache2 through apt, any idea where the www document root is? |
| 19:53.44 | spundun_ | maher: thanks |
| 19:53.47 | greycat | ptlis: /var/www |
| 19:53.52 | ptlis | greycat: Thanks. |
| 19:53.58 | marcot | 2.4.27-2-k6 |
| 19:53.59 | greycat | ptlis: grep -r DocumentRoot /etc/apache* |
| 19:54.00 | resiak | greycat: What's so bad about them? |
| 19:54.12 | greycat | !rtl81x9.c |
| 19:54.12 | dpkg | [rtl81x9.c] the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
| 19:54.22 | marcot | greycat: it was the only in the store. |
| 19:54.43 | johni | deigo: ohci_hcd 21764 0 --- uhci_hcd 33136 0 --- usbcore 119012 3 ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 19:54.43 | johni | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.47 | EdibleText | I prefer nics with BIG chips on it... the realtek 8129/8139 has small chips.. |
| 19:54.57 | greycat | size queen. |
| 19:55.01 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:55.07 | stew | i wonder when debian is going to switch apache to serve out of /srv/www |
| 19:55.32 | phaedrus_ | any proftpd users here? |
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| 19:55.35 | maher | johni: what do you want to do? |
| 19:55.37 | Project | for mplayer it needs libpng right? when i do apt-cache search i dont see it xcept a lot of diff libpngs |
| 19:55.38 | greycat | is that /srv intended to be a symlink to another place? |
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| 19:55.55 | greycat | damned if I'm gonna put my DocumentRoot in the *root* file system! |
| 19:55.59 | maher | Project: did you add marillats sources? |
| 19:56.09 | johni | maher: not sure why I cannot make an ups device to work on usb. I am suspecting the usb bus is not working |
| 19:56.11 | Project | mariallats? |
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| 19:56.17 | Project | nope... |
| 19:56.21 | tclark | i have sarge 2.4.27-2.686 working after apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 kernel panic ic some chatter in ng's about issue with initrd any one know of known issues ? |
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| 19:56.39 | stew | greycat: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM |
| 19:56.39 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 19:56.40 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 19:56.41 | maher | john: does it show up in lsusb |
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| 19:57.10 | Project | nvm |
| 19:57.10 | Project | gt it |
| 19:57.15 | quittt | how do I set aterm the default graphical shell to open text programs? |
| 19:57.20 | maher | !marillat |
| 19:57.20 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 19:57.24 | greycat | stew: some people need to get lives. |
| 19:57.44 | johni | maher: nope , lsush gives me no output |
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| 19:57.52 | johni | maher: nope , lsusb gives me no output |
| 19:58.03 | quittt | how do I set aterm the default graphical shell to open text programs in Debian menus? |
| 19:58.14 | maher | johni: what kernel |
| 19:58.21 | johni | 2.6 |
| 19:58.25 | johni | maher: 2.6 |
| 19:58.27 | caphuso | quittt: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 19:58.33 | stew | greycat: most of us... |
| 19:58.34 | maher | johni: did you compile it yourself? |
| 19:58.39 | luIz- | How I add an one cd-image(iso) mounted in source.list. How it would be this line? |
| 19:58.45 | johni | nope, I downloaded it with apt |
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| 19:58.58 | greycat | luIz-: normally you wouldn't. just use "apt-cdrom add". |
| 19:59.06 | EdibleText | greycat, arrogance :) |
| 19:59.09 | johni | maher: do you think that is the problem ? |
| 19:59.18 | maher | john: are you in #flood? |
| 19:59.22 | maher | johni: are you in #flood? |
| 19:59.39 | johni | maher: nope, I am not , why ? :( |
| 19:59.48 | stew | why oh why doesn't grub-reboot work on this server |
| 19:59.49 | maher | johni: well /join #flood |
| 19:59.53 | zulkifar | Hi. Is there a free musical tool/standard for recording music in multiple tracks? |
| 19:59.57 | johni | maher: why ? |
| 20:00.04 | quittt | cafuego, does it update debian menus? |
| 20:00.05 | Project | whats the linux monitor utility |
| 20:00.10 | Project | i need to shift my desktop to the right |
| 20:00.12 | Project | a little bit |
| 20:00.19 | maher | johni: so you can paste the output of stuff like uname -a / lsmod / lsusb |
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| 20:00.22 | Project | cause im on dual screen |
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| 20:00.27 | Project | er kvm |
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| 20:00.40 | daisuke_ | what have i missed on my kernel to break dmesg into being blank all the time? (and /var/log/messages) |
| 20:00.47 | johni | maher: Ok , I am in |
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| 20:00.50 | luIz- | greycat It is not a cd, but yes an image mounted in hd |
| 20:00.51 | EdibleText | zulkifar, I think muse .. there is a lj artical about multitrack soundcards and open source software to use them with .. google wil help |
| 20:00.53 | stew | Project: xvidtune, be careful, a decent monitor should be able to detect when you switch with a kvm |
| 20:01.05 | Project | yea it detects |
| 20:01.05 | quittt | caphuso, the isnt aterm |
| 20:01.07 | EdibleText | !info muse |
| 20:01.09 | Project | i just need to move it to the right |
| 20:01.10 | zulkifar | EdibleText: thanks, I'll try |
| 20:01.11 | Project | a little |
| 20:01.12 | quittt | caphuso, there is aterm-xterm |
| 20:01.12 | dpkg | muse: (Qt-based midi/audio sequencer), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2394 kB, Installed size: 7444 kB |
| 20:01.20 | dippo | well, i figured out what it is: disk quota |
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| 20:01.29 | theUg | what's "section sound"? |
| 20:01.32 | dippo | but I can't figure out why. neither root nor www-data have a quota, and i can create files fine as both |
| 20:01.44 | h3xis | i'm using wvdial (on dialup)...is there a way i can see what speed i'm connected at? like is there a status file of some sort? |
| 20:01.49 | dippo | yet the strace shows disk quota being exceeded when it tries to write to access.log |
| 20:01.49 | caphuso | quittt: then that's the one you want |
| 20:01.49 | peter912 | bye |
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| 20:02.06 | rbochan | dippo: out of space? |
| 20:02.09 | aliumalik | I am having troube installing kde from the alioth website... |
| 20:02.14 | dippo | nah, plenty of space |
| 20:02.20 | resiak | aliumalik: #debian-kde |
| 20:02.24 | aliumalik | looks like sid is really unstable again |
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| 20:02.40 | stew | imagine that |
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| 20:03.18 | zulkifar | EdibleText: sorry, would you provide few more key words for googling? |
| 20:03.52 | EdibleText | zulkifar, hold on.. I can search better then I can comminicate |
| 20:03.59 | EdibleText | or spell |
| 20:04.05 | zulkifar | EdibleText: :) |
| 20:04.12 | quittt | how do I make changes in .Xresources work? |
| 20:04.16 | theUg | What is multitrac soundcard? Sorry for being n00b |
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| 20:04.37 | kl1 | hi |
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| 20:04.45 | Project | awesome |
| 20:04.48 | Project | debian running greate |
| 20:04.48 | caphuso | quittt: xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
| 20:04.50 | Project | btw |
| 20:04.53 | kl1 | i get an error installin mysql :/ |
| 20:04.54 | Project | on the xvidtune |
| 20:04.57 | Project | what could happen |
| 20:05.01 | resiak | Project: BOOOOOM! |
| 20:05.11 | kl1 | E: Package mysql has no installation candidate |
| 20:05.19 | resiak | !tell kl1 -about search |
| 20:05.42 | theUg | Stop yer MySQL mumbo-jumbo! We're talking music here! |
| 20:05.50 | quittt | caphuso, those changes in default graphical shells doesnt efect Debian menu |
| 20:05.53 | quittt | why? |
| 20:05.53 | kl1 | ok |
| 20:05.56 | Eulex | kl1, that means it's a meta-package and contains several alternatives to what you wanna install |
| 20:06.23 | kl1 | Eulex i want to install mysql server |
| 20:06.25 | caphuso | Eulex: no, it means he made up a package name instead of using one that already exists |
| 20:06.26 | hardwire | weird |
| 20:06.32 | hardwire | this ip-kvm isn't booting the d-i iso |
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| 20:06.50 | Eulex | caphuso, oh... |
| 20:06.53 | EdibleText | zulkifar, this may be it... the pictures in the article look familer. have read it though.. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7796 |
| 20:07.01 | EdibleText | havent |
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| 20:07.44 | theUg | EdibleText, is there Win version? |
| 20:07.49 | caphuso | Eulex: and the next question will be "how do i compile php to get mysql support?" |
| 20:07.58 | zulkifar | theUg: don't ask it here ;) |
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| 20:08.07 | maher | caphuso: how do i compile php to get mysql support? |
| 20:08.10 | theUg | Why? Go personal? |
| 20:08.29 | Eulex | caphuso, well true, but it does only show that message if some other package is referring to it -- actually kinda confusing |
| 20:08.32 | linlin | how do i tell if im running sarge or not, and if im not, how do i easily upgrade |
| 20:08.33 | marcot | greycat: it's strange because when I do ifconfig eth0 down, nothing changes. |
| 20:08.35 | caphuso | maher: don't taunt the grumpy op! |
| 20:08.53 | marcot | greycat: if I do ifconfig -a after it, eth0 will be there. |
| 20:08.58 | theUg | Oh crap, I see. :))) |
| 20:09.00 | maher | linlin: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:09.03 | EdibleText | theUg, I support windows but I do not use the software.. I woulnt know |
| 20:09.13 | Linuxer | Hello, I've had some problems with grub, if someone can help me writing a simple menu.lst file, please start a private conversation |
| 20:09.16 | EdibleText | !info ardour |
| 20:09.20 | Project | i just rebooted my linux |
| 20:09.24 | linlin | hm, yes it seems im running woody |
| 20:09.27 | Project | how do i make my resoultion stuff permanent |
| 20:09.29 | zulkifar | EdibleText: thanks! |
| 20:09.38 | Eulex | linlin, you can also check the version of your libc6 |
| 20:09.44 | caphuso | Eulex: yeah, that's because a couple of package Conflict: with the mysql package that has existed sometime in the past |
| 20:09.56 | EdibleText | zulkifar, this is a good start too.. (reference for the article) http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7969 |
| 20:10.04 | linlin | is it vital i up to sarge or can woody stay for the time being |
| 20:10.10 | linlin | till i mess up the os and have to reload someday |
| 20:10.22 | theUg | EdibleText, thanx, I'll try it out. Just looking for good multitrack format with free player |
| 20:10.25 | stew | linlin: woody is fine until security updates stop |
| 20:10.33 | quittt | caphuso, I set this terminal... ok... how do I update this in Debian menu?] |
| 20:10.46 | stew | linlin: which will be for 1 year or until the next etch is released |
| 20:10.47 | theUg | zulkifar, WINDOWS! Ooh, ahh! |
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| 20:10.54 | greycat | linlin: woody is supported until june 2006 |
| 20:10.55 | EdibleText | free and windows.. your best bet is a win port of a *nix program probably..*shrug* |
| 20:10.58 | linlin | k |
| 20:11.12 | linlin | so jsut keep running apt-get upgrade until then and i should be fine/ |
| 20:11.23 | greycat | linlin: you should make a plan to migrate when you can |
| 20:11.27 | greycat | don't wait until the last second |
| 20:11.51 | linlin | easiest way? |
| 20:12.02 | linlin | download cds and reinstall or do it through apt? |
| 20:12.03 | furball` | Do I need iptables support if I don't need a firewall? |
| 20:12.04 | theUg | EdibleText, I'll pirate it! :) On the real though, say Finale offers free NotePad, so you can read notations from all their products. |
| 20:12.08 | dippo | for anyone paying attention at home, the problem was a group quota set on the root gid |
| 20:12.15 | Whisky_ | anyone know any cheap virtual server hosts allowing IRC ? |
| 20:12.15 | dippo | talk about a hell of a problem to track down |
| 20:12.35 | Eulex | Whisky_, and what has that to do with debian? |
| 20:12.51 | Whisky_ | Eulex: Im looking for a Debian virtual server =p |
| 20:13.42 | greycat | linlin: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:13.48 | rbochan | dippo: how'd you digure it out? |
| 20:13.51 | theUg | Anyone knows if GuitarPro or Power tab are free both on Win or Lin? |
| 20:13.54 | dippo | rbochan: strace |
| 20:13.57 | rbochan | ahh |
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| 20:14.02 | dippo | i finally caught a message complaining about quota |
| 20:14.09 | dippo | that was actually my first suspicion, but I only checked *user* quotas |
| 20:14.13 | dippo | i didn't think to do repquota -g |
| 20:14.15 | rbochan | right on, at least you got it tracked down |
| 20:14.26 | linlin | ok, seems easy enough |
| 20:14.28 | dippo | thank god for strace |
| 20:14.33 | EdibleText | theUg, i think powertab uses its ouwn propritary crap^w format |
| 20:14.38 | linlin | will i have to reboot, i have almost 100 day uptime, dont want to ruin ;) |
| 20:14.49 | Eulex | theUg, rtfm |
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| 20:15.21 | theUg | EdibleText Yea, that's one concern — I need it for the project so it could be easily shared |
| 20:15.32 | theUg | Eulex, stfu, ty |
| 20:15.43 | linlin | lol |
| 20:15.46 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 20:15.48 | linlin | such a happy family |
| 20:15.51 | AndyG | Hi, can i set the processname of myself from a shell script? |
| 20:16.14 | EdibleText | happy family = happy ending ? |
| 20:16.19 | goron | Why don't you all stfu?!!!? ;) |
| 20:16.26 | theUg | EdibleText, what would be most common format for notation? |
| 20:16.38 | EdibleText | theUg, ASCII ;) |
| 20:16.40 | zulkifar | ha-ha.. btw, what is stfu? :) |
| 20:16.43 | Eulex | linlin, not really, though not everything that is new in sarge will be "updated" or whatever before you reboot... also, if you upgrade your kernel, you *will* have to reboot |
| 20:16.43 | theUg | :) |
| 20:16.48 | EdibleText | !stfu zulkifar |
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| 20:16.49 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP zulkifar! |
| 20:16.59 | edwin_gurde | !stfu zulkifar |
| 20:17.00 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP zulkifar! |
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| 20:17.06 | linlin | heh |
| 20:17.08 | Whisky_ | !stfu zulkifar |
| 20:17.10 | zulkifar | EdibleText: wow... cool. |
| 20:17.12 | Eulex | !aolify theUg |
| 20:17.12 | linlin | ok i guess ill reboot then |
| 20:17.18 | zulkifar | !stfu theUg |
| 20:17.19 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP theUg! |
| 20:17.20 | edwin_gurde | !aolify test |
| 20:17.20 | goron | !slow |
| 20:17.20 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 20:17.21 | dpkg | from memory, slow is ask me about dma, or ask me about nsswitch |
| 20:17.29 | linlin | will the things that dpkg tells me update the kernel also? |
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| 20:17.41 | Eulex | !botabuse |
| 20:17.41 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:17.45 | greycat | linlin: no |
| 20:17.46 | theUg | EdibleText, hell with it. :) I need tab and notes, not some scribbles :) |
| 20:17.50 | linlin | hm |
| 20:17.53 | possie | why doesn't linux have a /usr/include/ansi.h ? |
| 20:17.54 | linlin | i have to do that manually |
| 20:17.55 | greycat | linlin: that's optional and separate |
| 20:17.55 | linlin | ? |
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| 20:18.02 | theUg | What is AOLIFY? |
| 20:18.03 | greycat | possie: because it's not MS-DOS |
| 20:18.07 | Eulex | possie, eh? |
| 20:18.08 | goron | !iso |
| 20:18.08 | dpkg | [iso] a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image" |
| 20:18.11 | possie | greycat: okee :-) |
| 20:18.19 | edwin_gurde | !tell theUg abou aolify |
| 20:18.23 | theUg | EdibleText, thanx a lot, man (or woma) |
| 20:18.31 | Eulex | !aol |
| 20:18.31 | dpkg | it has been said that aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 20:18.32 | edwin_gurde | !aolify this |
| 20:18.32 | EdibleText | theUg, I typically just search for the ascii tab when I cant hear the intevals |
| 20:18.34 | possie | greycat: if i can remember minix used it as well |
| 20:18.45 | EdibleText | theUg, Im a man, baby! |
| 20:18.53 | theUg | Loool |
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| 20:19.02 | edwin_gurde | !tell greycat about minix |
| 20:19.03 | greycat | terminal output on unix is done through <termios.h> or curses |
| 20:19.07 | theUg | Yea, baby! |
| 20:19.13 | goron | Wow, nobody redefined my line :) |
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| 20:19.21 | edwin_gurde | !tell edwin_gurde about dpkg |
| 20:19.28 | stew | edwin_gurde: /msg the bot |
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| 20:19.38 | zulkifar | theUg: try ##linux also. But anyway you better to ask ppl from free- domain for non-proprietary thingg |
| 20:19.43 | theUg | I ate a baby once. I want my baby back |
| 20:20.07 | theUg | zulkifar, Why 2 (#)? |
| 20:20.22 | r_marvin | hello |
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| 20:20.39 | zulkifar | theUg: for historical reasons :) |
| 20:20.46 | goron | !rule |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | somebody said rule was a twatty word used by yanks |
| 20:21.04 | reco | how comes cfdisk does not let me create ext3 partitions? |
| 20:21.16 | EdibleText | reco, because thats not its job.. |
| 20:21.28 | theUg | zulkifar such reasons are beyond my comprehension. That is, what history got to do with et? |
| 20:21.37 | theUg | !rule |
| 20:21.37 | dpkg | rule is probably a twatty word used by yanks |
| 20:21.43 | goron | reco: Send in a patch, then it will work. |
| 20:21.50 | theUg | Yanks, go home |
| 20:21.59 | EdibleText | reco, mkfs.ext3 |
| 20:22.08 | Eulex | yeah, if it's broken, fix it!! |
| 20:22.16 | theUg | What are those stupid words with exclamation points in front of it? |
| 20:22.41 | EdibleText | theUg, perhaps #Linux was hijacked by AOL'ers |
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| 20:23.02 | Eulex | theUg, it's commands for dpkg |
| 20:23.10 | Eulex | apt is ~ |
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| 20:23.14 | Eulex | ravenbird is @ |
| 20:23.28 | theUg | Eulex Roger. Funni bot that is |
| 20:23.41 | theUg | EdibleText, Down with AOL |
| 20:23.54 | rbochan | nooooooooooooo |
| 20:23.55 | theUg | Funney |
| 20:23.57 | rbochan | more aol! |
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| 20:24.01 | EdibleText | theUg, it has its porpose |
| 20:24.05 | theUg | Dang, Can I spill? |
| 20:24.06 | EdibleText | or pourose |
| 20:24.08 | Eulex | !aolify rbochan |
| 20:24.12 | theUg | Spell I mean |
| 20:24.15 | rbochan | EdibleText: yes, like 80% of my business ;) |
| 20:24.20 | Whisky_ | How can I create Swap Space on my system ? |
| 20:24.25 | Eulex | :) |
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| 20:24.43 | EdibleText | rbochan, yeah.. cant argue with money. its there or its not. |
| 20:24.44 | rbochan | Whisky_: man mkswap |
| 20:25.02 | theUg | Whisky_, Well, in Windows... |
| 20:25.22 | theUg | EdibleText, keeping casual noobs out? |
| 20:25.22 | Whisky_ | Windows: die |
| 20:25.23 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 20:25.31 | Eulex | !die windows |
| 20:25.44 | Eulex | hmm |
| 20:25.50 | theUg | Windows knows no fear! Windows knows no pain! |
| 20:25.56 | theUg | !windows |
| 20:25.56 | dpkg | hmm... windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 20:26.06 | theUg | lol |
| 20:26.16 | zulkifar | rotfl |
| 20:26.20 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 20:26.49 | aliumalik | hmm...something wrong with sid and gunpg :( |
| 20:26.55 | aliumalik | gnupg* |
| 20:26.55 | greycat | !btssmite aliumalik |
| 20:26.59 | greycat | and yes, there is. |
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| 20:27.10 | theUg | !mac |
| 20:27.10 | dpkg | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers. MAC, Media Access Control |
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| 20:27.15 | theUg | !mac |
| 20:27.17 | EdibleText | aliumalik, you should have stop at "something wrong with sid" ;) |
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| 20:27.45 | r_marvin | i'm trying to teach my snmp client a new MIB. it's the 'snmp' package. any useful hints? |
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| 20:27.53 | aliumalik | EdibleText: sid was my "testing" fire quite some time lols....sarge released ruined it ;) |
| 20:27.56 | theUg | Damn, infinite well of knowledge this bot is |
| 20:28.09 | theUg | !vagine |
| 20:28.13 | louis_ | hi, I got Debian 3.1 (stable) and in Nautilus, the Start Here menu is completely blank.. is there another package I must get? |
| 20:28.14 | theUg | !vagina |
| 20:28.14 | dpkg | well, vagina is the canal which leads from the uterus to the external orifice if the genital canal, or to major depression if you arent getting any. |
| 20:28.24 | stew | theUg: /msg the bot |
| 20:28.26 | Eulex | lol |
| 20:28.31 | zulkifar | theUg: I believe you can use private for tests |
| 20:28.31 | theUg | Sorry, peeps, cant stop it |
| 20:28.47 | theUg | I'm not testing, I'm learning |
| 20:28.48 | stew | theUg: or play all you want in #debian-bots |
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| 20:29.13 | EdibleText | theUg, you could chill the bots private crib. /j debian-bots |
| 20:29.24 | louis_ | or any recommendations for Gnome applications menu editing? |
| 20:29.34 | theUg | Yo. That I will some day. Thanx guys. |
| 20:29.43 | zulkifar | EdibleText: Opera konws nothing about /j I guess :) |
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| 20:30.21 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.29 | rbochan | mail too |
| 20:30.34 | theUg | EdibleText, yeas, since 7.5 |
| 20:30.42 | theUg | I'm in Opera now |
| 20:30.46 | theUg | !opera |
| 20:30.46 | dpkg | hmm... opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 6 for Linux is out and debs are available on the download page at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or at 'deb http://www.opera.com/debian potato non-free', or that deb line is reported to be maybe broken. go poke around the site. go full screen mode and right click> show menu bar> [and avoid the ads] damn nice browser, especially under the hood. no ... |
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| 20:31.08 | Eulex | opera is commercial |
| 20:31.19 | EdibleText | I thought you needed to pay. |
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| 20:31.20 | theUg | So what? IE is free |
| 20:31.27 | EdibleText | IE is not free |
| 20:31.27 | louis_ | opera is amazingly fast.. it keeps up with the big ones in parsing and I used to run it on my p200 fine |
| 20:31.29 | greycat | it isn't. |
| 20:31.33 | theUg | Well it comes with OS |
| 20:31.41 | greycat | IE is neither Free nor free. |
| 20:31.41 | EdibleText | the OS isnt free |
| 20:31.47 | louis_ | you can run Opera for free if you want to put up with little text ads at the top =) |
| 20:31.53 | EdibleText | ah |
| 20:31.54 | theUg | EdibleText Or is it? ;) |
| 20:31.58 | linlin | this update is gunna take forever |
| 20:32.07 | linlin | 26 minutes :-/ |
| 20:32.18 | greycat | oh my god, how horribly long. |
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| 20:32.26 | pablum | exim4 problem: runq and exim4 -qff won't thaw some messages frozen in the queue. I've reconfigured exim4 so it'll work now for outgoing mail, but can't get these things out of the queue. Any ideas? |
| 20:32.28 | greycat | why, that's almost as long as a TV show. |
| 20:32.28 | louis_ | well, I'll check with another channel then |
| 20:32.29 | beardy | Opera is proprietary, but a version is available at no monetary charge, which has ads displayed in the top of the screen. It works good though. |
| 20:32.45 | theUg | EdibleText, the thing is, Opera is laden with features |
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| 20:32.57 | setu | hello |
| 20:33.02 | Eulex | I think the world is gonna be destroyed and reborn a few times before it's done, linlin ;) |
| 20:33.09 | theUg | Opera rules! Bow down to the god od browsing! |
| 20:33.22 | setu | I have a problem, when I type startx -- it says "no screens found" |
| 20:33.24 | theUg | of |
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| 20:33.38 | Eulex | !tell setu about drxx |
| 20:33.49 | theUg | I have opera on my Win, on my Mac, and on my Red Hat |
| 20:34.01 | greycat | you have a red hat? |
| 20:34.03 | theUg | I sold my soul to Opera |
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| 20:34.17 | zulkifar | red hat is obsolete |
| 20:34.18 | theUg | greycat, it's orange |
| 20:34.22 | theUg | Boise State |
| 20:34.31 | theUg | zulkifar Yer obsolete |
| 20:34.44 | theUg | EdibleText :) |
| 20:34.45 | zzz | Hi! By NFS is it posibble to control (to know) on the NFS server machine, that somebody has mount a directory? If Yes, how? I know there are messages in /var/log/, but is there any tool for that? |
| 20:34.46 | Eulex | hehe |
| 20:35.00 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/disneyworld/074.jpg <- greycat and sarge |
| 20:35.13 | theUg | zulkifar, I bougt personal RH 1 month before they discontinued it :) |
| 20:35.19 | greycat | as you can see, my hat isn't red. |
| 20:35.35 | setu | I did that, and it still says the same thing |
| 20:35.38 | greycat | zzz: showmount |
| 20:35.46 | zzz | greycat: thx. |
| 20:35.54 | zzz | it' s that what i need. |
| 20:35.56 | zzz | bye all. |
| 20:35.59 | abyss | is it normal that a processcalled famd take all the time 100% cpu? |
| 20:35.59 | EdibleText | greycat, Thats pretty much how I pictured you .... |
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| 20:36.07 | EdibleText | greycat, didnt know you were all green |
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| 20:36.20 | theUg | greycat yea, it's... It's green... |
| 20:36.22 | EdibleText | ..though |
| 20:36.34 | zulkifar | greycat: where are you on that photo - to the left? :) |
| 20:36.37 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:36.45 | abyss | !famd |
| 20:36.45 | dpkg | somebody said famd was a component of Gnome that makes it difficult to unmount devices. |
| 20:36.56 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 20:36.58 | theUg | zulkifar yer slow m8 :) |
| 20:36.58 | greycat | heh |
| 20:37.10 | Eulex | greycat, you could make a distro named grey cap :) |
| 20:37.12 | abyss | can i stop famd without problems? |
| 20:37.23 | theUg | Ìåíÿ êòî-íèáóäü ïîíèìàåò? |
| 20:37.38 | setu | should I update to xorg? |
| 20:37.38 | Eulex | abyss, umh, /etc/init.d/famd stop? |
| 20:37.44 | greycat | theUg: uh yeah, same to you. |
| 20:37.59 | theUg | PPL, stop ripping on my Red Hood! |
| 20:38.13 | usn | hi folx |
| 20:38.16 | abyss | Eulex, works but did i get problems if i disble this file accleration monitor? |
| 20:38.37 | Eulex | abyss, I dunno if you got problems doing that :) |
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| 20:38.49 | theUg | In Russian translation Red Hood is Red Hat anyway. |
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| 20:40.18 | theUg | Âñåì ïîêà |
| 20:40.18 | EdibleText | greycat, was that a *man posing as sarge or just a statue |
| 20:40.18 | zzz | greycat: How does this showmount works? Just because they didn' t give anything information with the -a flag if something is mounted. |
| 20:40.18 | beardy | theUg: Please speak english. |
| 20:40.18 | greycat | EdibleText: that's a person in a costume in Disney MGM Studios park |
| 20:40.18 | setu | hmm I got x to work -- but my mouse & keyboard don't work |
| 20:40.18 | Whisky_ | beardy: he is just speaking another flavour of english =p |
| 20:40.18 | greycat | EdibleText: I'm assuming a male person |
| 20:40.19 | setu | because I can't ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:40.21 | theUg | beardy, Como, como? No comprende |
| 20:40.26 | beardy | Whisky_: Perhaps. |
| 20:40.35 | theUg | beardy Enschuldigung, bitte? |
| 20:40.38 | beardy | theUg: No, not those characters I did not understand. |
| 20:41.08 | Eulex | setu, you only know about ctrl-alt-del and nothing else? must have been a terrible experience in windows ;P |
| 20:41.09 | theUg | beardy, Ja-ja, richtig. Ich bin Russiche. |
| 20:41.25 | theUg | beardy, ye must be American, innit mate? |
| 20:41.27 | setu | ctrl-alt-del to kill x |
| 20:41.35 | setu | because I can't test the keyboard on anything else |
| 20:41.38 | beardy | theUg: Ok, no, Iäm swedish if it makes any difference.. |
| 20:41.50 | Eulex | setu, ctrl-alt-del reboots ythe computer, afaik |
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| 20:41.53 | setu | er |
| 20:41.58 | setu | ctrl-alt-backspace* |
| 20:41.59 | setu | my bad |
| 20:42.03 | Eulex | beardy, me too |
| 20:42.10 | setu | is what I meant |
| 20:42.20 | zzz | greycat: because i tryed out with an other OS (SuSe), and it works, but under debian doesn' t. |
| 20:42.26 | theUg | beardy, You sounded like American, cuz they always bitch at foreigners. Tack so mukke (I don't know how to spell Swedish though) |
| 20:42.28 | Eulex | setu, ctrl-alt-backspace should kill/restart x |
| 20:42.35 | setu | yeah it doesn't |
| 20:42.39 | theUg | beardy, Din mam loktar som fisk |
| 20:42.39 | MobyTurbo | !english |
| 20:42.40 | dpkg | i heard english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or see #debian-en |
| 20:42.44 | greycat | zzz: man showmount |
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| 20:43.00 | abyss | cpufreq-info says : kein oder nicht bestimmbarer cpufreq-Treiber aktiv - Where i can get such driver? |
| 20:43.07 | idnar | hrm, there's no-one in #debian-en :( |
| 20:43.10 | greycat | #debian-en is empty |
| 20:43.13 | setu | heh |
| 20:43.27 | setu | this sucks, I have to reboot |
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| 20:43.29 | zzz | greycat: this was the first thing i did, but it has got the same version from mount, and showmount, and by SuSe it works, but on debian doesn' t. |
| 20:43.37 | greycat | dpkg, english =~ s/see #debian-en/ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!!/ |
| 20:43.37 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:43.49 | greycat | zzz: file a bug report |
| 20:43.49 | linlin | hmm this mirror must be under heavy load, im only getting at less than 200kb/s ow :( |
| 20:43.53 | theUg | Anyhow, today is July 8 -- the day when Sweden ended as a major European power in 1709 |
| 20:43.58 | setu | omfg |
| 20:44.01 | setu | Lilo blows ass |
| 20:44.02 | beardy | theUg: I didn't mean to bitch. But this channels language is english, and it doesn't work well if that isn't folowed. But you probably knew that already. Oh well, I didn't mean to upset you. |
| 20:44.02 | Eulex | theUg, be careful or I'll translate that |
| 20:44.12 | greycat | setu: which one? the linux loader? |
| 20:44.15 | setu | yeah |
| 20:44.16 | EdibleText | setu, dont day that too loud |
| 20:44.19 | zzz | greycat: sorry, but what do You mean? |
| 20:44.22 | EdibleText | say |
| 20:44.26 | greycat | zzz: bugs.debian.org |
| 20:44.26 | theUg | Why is it English? I seriosly didn't know |
| 20:44.36 | setu | I have to boot into a live cd and reinstall it |
| 20:44.36 | beardy | theUg: .. |
| 20:44.38 | greycat | why is what english? |
| 20:44.40 | zzz | greycat: ok, i check it now. |
| 20:44.57 | theUg | beardy, battle of Poltava |
| 20:44.59 | MobyTurbo | greycat: I think he's asking about #debian's official language |
| 20:45.17 | Project | where are fonts store in debian |
| 20:45.20 | theUg | beardy, I'm not ripping on you. It's cool man |
| 20:45.20 | greycat | MobyTurbo: it's the de facto language of the internet and (more topically) the mailing lists |
| 20:45.24 | Project | mplayer is asking for subtitle.tff |
| 20:45.33 | greycat | there are other channels for non-english speakers |
| 20:45.44 | MobyTurbo | greycat: I know that, you know that, but does theUg know that? |
| 20:45.48 | greycat | we generally do try to (politely) usher the lost to the right place |
| 20:45.49 | theUg | beardy, but remember World Hockey Championship and 6:3 for the bronze medal |
| 20:46.09 | MobyTurbo | greycat: true |
| 20:46.24 | theUg | MobyTurbo, greycat, yo comrende, camarades |
| 20:46.33 | theUg | Now I know, I says |
| 20:46.56 | theUg | God, I am a flooder, Haven't used the chat for years. Sorryt guys |
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| 20:48.38 | marcot | greycat: now even in kernel 2.6 it's not working. |
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| 20:48.51 | marcot | greycat: it was working fine some time ago, and suddently stoped. |
| 20:49.20 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone. wondering what would be a good utility to check if a hd is in good working condition..? |
| 20:49.25 | ultraviolet16 | any suggestions? |
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| 20:49.52 | theUg | ultraviolet16, doesn't linux has any in distro? |
| 20:50.18 | ultraviolet16 | i installed debian minimally and need to add everything I use piece by piece... |
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| 20:51.00 | theUg | l8r all, Russia be with ya. |
| 20:51.02 | abyss | nobody knows where i get a cpufreq-k7 driver? |
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| 20:51.50 | ultraviolet16 | doesn't have to be pretty with a gui, just a command line tool so that i can see if my hd is working fine...? |
| 20:51.51 | Eulex | abyss, modprobe it? |
| 20:52.18 | abyss | Eulex, FATAL: Module cpufreq_k7 not found. |
| 20:52.34 | beardy | ultraviolet16: fsck it? |
| 20:52.46 | Eulex | abyss, if it's not, compile it into the kernel? |
| 20:52.47 | Vyrus001 | im trying to setup internet connection sharring / fire wall over a deb system, has anybody heard good things about ferm or should i just buckle down and leard ip chains (/me is a n00b at ip chains)? |
| 20:52.56 | abyss | which kernel? |
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| 20:53.49 | linlin | hm...im starting to think i should jsut format and start over on this machine |
| 20:53.53 | ultraviolet16 | fsck thanks |
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| 20:53.59 | abyss | Eulex, seems not, locate cpufreq-k7 return nothing |
| 20:54.13 | Eulex | abyss, you can also check /boot/config-version to see if it's compiled into the kernel |
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| 20:54.26 | linlin | i installed a gui on accident when i first loaded it, be easier to get rid of it if i jsut reload? or is there an easy way to remove it now ? |
| 20:54.33 | Eulex | !fsck ultraviolet16's hd |
| 20:54.34 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/ultraviolet16's hd : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! |
| 20:54.40 | linlin | haha |
| 20:54.43 | linlin | dickheads? |
| 20:54.45 | Project | mplayer is missing subtitle.ttf |
| 20:54.46 | Project | help! |
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| 20:55.01 | stew | Project: #mplayer |
| 20:55.11 | Draconicus | Yeah, and my mplayer is missing newface. Whoopde-dee |
| 20:57.41 | Eulex | Project, that thing ain't even in debian |
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| 20:57.42 | Project | mybad |
| 20:57.42 | abyss | Eulex, what i have to search? |
| 20:57.42 | Eulex | linlin, umh, remove it? |
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| 20:57.42 | Eulex | abyss, do you even have proof that module does exist? |
| 20:57.42 | Eulex | abyss, umh, k7? |
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| 20:57.43 | abyss | Eulex, CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K7=m |
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| 20:57.43 | Eulex | abyss, searching for cpufreq-k7 on google finds nothing -- it does not exist |
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| 20:57.43 | Eulex | abyss, well, then it's compiled as a module |
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| 21:01.08 | abyss | Eulex, ok it works |
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| 21:01.46 | Eulex | abyss, and the module name wasn't cpufreq-k7, was it? |
| 21:04.44 | abyss | Eulex, right powernow-k7 |
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| 21:04.44 | Eulex | ok |
| 21:04.44 | abyss | Eulex, but help me plz what powernow now wants : Starting powernowd: Error writing file governor: Invalid argument |
| 21:04.45 | emRick | any advice on buying a digital camera for use with Debian? Any gotchas and recommendations for camera (or manufacturers to stay away from)? |
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| 21:04.46 | spamalope | canon rox |
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| 21:04.46 | pablum | abyss, first modprobe acpi, or maybe modprobe udev? |
| 21:04.46 | pablum | no wait... it's /sys I'm thinking of... |
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| 21:07.59 | Babatko | hello. please is it possible to install debian through lan. i have burned sarge cd1, which should be inserted in windows pc and some send by lan to the other, where it should be installed |
| 21:07.59 | abyss | pablum, FATAL: Module udev not found. |
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| 21:08.24 | beardy | Babatko: Does the computer you are going to install on have access to the internet? |
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| 21:08.41 | Babatko | yes... but i cannot use internet - it is dialup ... |
| 21:08.59 | Babatko | i would like to use the CD1 i have already at home ... |
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| 21:09.03 | deblin | Is there a way to get apt-build to handle GPG? every time I try to apt-build, I get: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
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| 21:09.16 | beardy | Babatko: And it haven't got a cdrom either? |
| 21:09.23 | stew | deblin: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 21:09.35 | deblin | stew: thank you |
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| 21:09.56 | stew | deblin: i assume that applies to apt-build as well |
| 21:11.35 | Babatko | beardy: the target pc has a cdrom, but it is bad, it boots, but when it starts to copy the debian base system, it crashes - the cdrom cannot read the cd, it is very old cdrom |
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| 21:11.35 | deblin | stew: well apt-get installand apt-get source -b work fine, it just seems the hooks aren't in place for apt-build (at least by default). I will have to enable that or just use apt-get source -b for now |
| 21:11.36 | stew | deblin: did you add the debian key to root gpg ring? |
| 21:11.36 | Hostile | I just installed the base system with the netinst iso....and when I try to boot I get Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 21:11.36 | stew | ^root^root's |
| 21:11.37 | beardy | Babatko: The easiest thing is probably to buy a newer cdrom, they are very cheap these days. Or borrow one that you already have in another box. |
| 21:11.45 | deblin | stew: that's what I was just going to say. I just need to generate a gpg key for root, then add that to the chain, eh? |
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| 21:12.08 | stew | deblin: yeah, i think its page 5 on that url |
| 21:12.10 | stew | but actually |
| 21:12.13 | stew | !dbugs 316572 |
| 21:12.18 | dpkg | #316572:G[apt-build] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:03:02 UTC |
| 21:12.20 | Babatko | beardy: i can give there another from the other pc, but i don't wanted to swap them and then again back... so i thought, it would be probably possible to install it over lan... :| |
| 21:12.21 | beardy | Babatko: Or perhaps try another cd-r, from another manufacturer. |
| 21:12.47 | beardy | Babatko: It's possible, but much easier for you to switch cdroms. |
| 21:12.52 | deblin | stew: hmm konwn bug. should have checked bugs.debian.org before asking :) |
| 21:12.53 | reco | how can i patch cfdisk so it can create ext3 partitions? |
| 21:12.58 | Overand | Babatko: got another linux box? you can do a debootstrap, and boot over nfs |
| 21:12.59 | stew | deblin: the person filing that bug might not be clued in though, the maintiner hasn't yet responded |
| 21:12.59 | Overand | oh actually |
| 21:13.20 | Overand | he could fire up knoppix on a windows box, debootstrap, etc etc |
| 21:13.20 | Overand | haha |
| 21:13.27 | Hostile | anyone have any ideas why Im getting that kernel panic? |
| 21:13.32 | Babatko | beardy: is it very difficult? i have knoppix ... |
| 21:13.35 | stew | deblin: add the key as described in that url and see if it fixes it and then maybe update the bug |
| 21:13.38 | deblin | stew: heh true. let me poke around myself and see if I can get it working. |
| 21:13.46 | deblin | stew: will do, thanks for the help. |
| 21:13.50 | beardy | Babatko: Ask Overand, I haven't done it. |
| 21:14.00 | abyss | exists alternitiv programs similar to powernowd? |
| 21:14.10 | swimmer618 | Hi. I just installed debian,but when I try to boot, it says GRUB error 21. I looked this error up and it means 'selected disk does not exist.' I couldn't find what I should do about this error. I tried reinstalling Debian with the CD again, but I keep getting the same message. |
| 21:14.26 | Rambo3 | how many floppies do i need to install debian, only working thing on a laptop is lpt port and floppie |
| 21:14.31 | Babatko | Overand: can you give me some basic info, how to do it in knoppix, and how to start up the installation on the target pc please? |
| 21:14.36 | Overand | Babatko: nope. |
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| 21:16.25 | emRick | Babatko: ask on #knoppix ... this zone is kind of knoppix-hostile. |
| 21:16.29 | J_P | anyone know one good howto for configure NTP-SERVER ? |
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| 21:16.58 | Babatko | and from there they'll send me here :D |
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| 21:17.31 | lightstep | how can i tell aptitude not to show security warnings about untrusted packages? |
| 21:17.32 | beardy | emRick: He is asking about installing debian over a network. His question is very valid, but I can't help him much. Please do, the one who can. |
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| 21:17.34 | Hostile | I just installed the base system with the netinst iso....and when I try to boot I get Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 21:17.37 | stew | deblin: keep us posted |
| 21:17.44 | emRick | Babatko: another piece of advice ... if the question is generic to Debian then don't use "knoppix" in you query. |
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| 21:18.37 | deblin | stew: will do, have to do some actual work stuff first :) |
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| 21:18.46 | Virtual | How can I set in grub to start with the second boot option by default and not the first ? |
| 21:18.58 | stew | lightstep: sid? |
| 21:18.59 | Rambo3 | copy/past Virtual |
| 21:19.25 | chealer | swimmer618: and your hard drive is ok, right? |
| 21:20.01 | lightstep | stew, unstable |
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| 21:20.06 | stew | lightstep: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 21:20.22 | ReVisions | hey, how can i mount reiser4 file system with debian? |
| 21:20.49 | lightstep | stew, thanks for the info |
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| 21:20.56 | dondelelcaro | ReVisions: load the appropriate module, and mount it. |
| 21:21.03 | stew | !reiser4 |
| 21:21.04 | dpkg | reiser4 is, like, If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
| 21:21.07 | stew | haha |
| 21:21.15 | deblin | stew: hmm I apt-key add ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg then try apt-build again, but I still get that warning. |
| 21:21.23 | Hostile | !reiser4 |
| 21:21.24 | dpkg | reiser4 is probably If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
| 21:21.25 | ReVisions | dpkg, i install gentoo from my debian, better? |
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| 21:21.33 | Hostile | lol. |
| 21:21.47 | ReVisions | oh |
| 21:21.48 | Hostile | ReVisions, dpkg is a bot |
| 21:21.52 | ReVisions | it's the bot |
| 21:21.54 | ReVisions | hah yea i know |
| 21:21.56 | ReVisions | i forgot |
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| 21:22.13 | ReVisions | dondelelcaro, which module i need to load? |
| 21:22.17 | kart_ | !sound |
| 21:22.18 | dpkg | methinks sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts> |
| 21:22.30 | beardy | Babatko: I suggest you swap the cdrom drive in the box. Does it give you any error ouput when trying to install? |
| 21:22.30 | arno-la-lune | :) |
| 21:22.34 | kart_ | !alsa |
| 21:22.34 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 21:22.39 | chealer | !ricerfs |
| 21:22.40 | dpkg | [ricerfs] the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 21:22.45 | dondelelcaro | ReVisions: the driver for resier4. If you haven't built it, you'll have to because it isn't included in the kernel that is distributed. |
| 21:22.54 | deblin | stew: and apt-key list shows my key in the output |
| 21:23.01 | chealer | !tell kart_ about msg the bot |
| 21:23.31 | beardy | Babatko: And, how much RAM do you have in the box? |
| 21:23.33 | Babatko | beardy: oki, i'll try it. i'm sure it will work then, tahnks |
| 21:23.35 | ReVisions | dondelelcaro, i just installed debian today so the kernel i got doesnt support reiser4? |
| 21:23.35 | luIz- | I have a iso mounted in /tmp/cd, How make i to add source.list? |
| 21:23.39 | Babatko | beardy: 32 MB |
| 21:23.42 | Babatko | :) |
| 21:23.50 | kart_ | chealer: oh, sorry |
| 21:24.11 | chealer | kart_: no problem, it was for your genitalia ;) |
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| 21:25.07 | caphuso | what kernel trees do contain reiser4? even -mm doesn't include it |
| 21:25.13 | kart_ | hehe |
| 21:25.17 | valdyn | caphuso: -mm does |
| 21:25.27 | caphuso | valdyn: ah, it got merged in? |
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| 21:25.41 | valdyn | caphuso: into mm - long ago |
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| 21:26.01 | valdyn | caphuso: ~2.6.8-mm1 or somesuch |
| 21:26.29 | chealer | !tell swimmer618 about msg |
| 21:26.37 | kittonian | anyone know of a text editor (non X windows) that I can use via SSH that support find/replace? I love nano but it doesn't have this feature |
| 21:26.45 | beardy | Babatko: Should work fine, I'm not sure what the absolute minimum is for the sarge installer, 16MB I think. The Installation Guide says 32MB though. |
| 21:26.45 | caphuso | valdyn: ah, i was looking in the wrong place |
| 21:27.05 | chealer | swimmer618: I don't know...try asking #grub |
| 21:27.14 | valdyn | -cko is a more usuable patchset containing it. |
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| 21:27.39 | kab00m | hi folks |
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| 21:28.12 | stew | deblin: looks like the bug is legit then... you might wanna subscribe to it |
| 21:28.21 | geno_ | I have a hosting account that I setup split into two different paritions/directories due to having two seperate hosting packages, one for email and one for web hosting because I didn't want to have the two's quotas overlapping. I'm forced to leave the accounts home directory set to the mail directory due to an email management system and I was going to create a symlink to the web hosting directory so they can ftp, move up one level and be in their web space |
| 21:28.24 | geno_ | any ideas? |
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| 21:28.45 | dli_ | hi, I have mixer_applet2 running? how to remove it |
| 21:29.17 | Eulex | dli_, umh, kill it? |
| 21:29.30 | dli_ | Eulex: kill it, and prevent it from running again |
| 21:29.36 | beardy | geno_: Just do it? |
| 21:29.39 | Rambo3 | was that a question or a life story |
| 21:29.46 | dli_ | Eulex, because I don't have audio in my box |
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| 21:29.54 | geno_ | beardy: you can't because its chrooted |
| 21:29.56 | ha | hello |
| 21:29.58 | geno_ | the symlink wont work |
| 21:30.06 | ha | How i make a live-cd from my hd? |
| 21:30.22 | ha | I want create a boot CD with my system and kernel in use |
| 21:30.32 | Eulex | dli_, how to do that depends on your desktop environment |
| 21:30.39 | valdyn | ha: a live cd or a backup that installs itself? |
| 21:30.47 | dli_ | Eulex: it's gnome |
| 21:31.08 | ha | valdyn, hehehee backup and livecd |
| 21:31.17 | ha | valdyn, i can use this cd for use too, or no? |
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| 21:32.03 | Eulex | dli_, remove it from the panel, log out and don't forget to check "save current settings" (or whatever it's in english) |
| 21:32.11 | deblin | stew: well I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly or not. if the key shows up in apt-key list, it should work right? do I need to generate/create/etc a Releases.gpg file in the apt-build area? |
| 21:32.26 | beardy | geno_: Let everything the user has and does be in the chroot then. |
| 21:32.32 | bristol | Hi people, whatfor is ris-cm on port 748 in a standard debian install? |
| 21:32.40 | valdyn | ha: apt-cache show mondo for the 2nd, apt-cache show bootcd for the 1st |
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| 21:32.46 | dli_ | Eulex: thanks |
| 21:32.53 | ha | valdyn, I need for initrd image? |
| 21:32.54 | milt | hi |
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| 21:32.57 | geno_ | beardy: your saying to put the hosting files into his home directory ? |
| 21:33.08 | ha | valdyn, i create a initrd.img (600MB) |
| 21:33.17 | valdyn | ha: geez |
| 21:33.29 | geno_ | beardy: or that I could be chrooting differently |
| 21:33.37 | beardy | geno_: I'm not saying anything really. What you want to do, and the effect it has, is upt to you to decide on. You sound like someone that runs a webhotel or the like. |
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| 21:34.03 | astronut | what live linux distro has the best hardware support? |
| 21:34.13 | geno_ | beardy: and you sound like someone who speaks because they enjoy hearing themselves |
| 21:34.26 | valdyn | astronut: wrong channel |
| 21:34.28 | geno_ | beardy: i had a simple question that explained why I had things configured in such a way |
| 21:34.36 | Mirkus | salve, qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 21:34.37 | astronut | valdyn: i'm a debian user, i'm entitled |
| 21:34.42 | geno_ | beardy: the responses im looking for would pertain to it |
| 21:34.49 | beardy | geno_: I didn't mean it that way, but if you want to argue.. |
| 21:34.51 | bristol | astronut: xfld.org |
| 21:34.54 | Eulex | ha, 600mb initrd?? |
| 21:35.03 | valdyn | astronut: you got something wrong, this channel is about debian, not about debian users |
| 21:35.11 | geno_ | beardy: i just want to discuss the hurtle ive hit |
| 21:35.18 | geno_ | beardy: and get input , not argue |
| 21:35.25 | Eulex | !tell Mirkus about it |
| 21:35.26 | ha | Eulex, in initrd i need only modules? |
| 21:35.37 | ixion | anyone know how to get prodvd support in gnome, xcdroast says it needs it? |
| 21:35.38 | astronut | valdyn: ok, of the debian based live distros then? |
| 21:35.43 | ixion | to write dvd's that is |
| 21:35.47 | caphuso | astronut: still off topic |
| 21:35.53 | astronut | caphuso: fine |
| 21:35.59 | ixion | try knoppix astronut |
| 21:36.06 | Mirkus | eulex: come si configura ppp? |
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| 21:36.12 | Eulex | ha, a 600mb initrd seems insane to me |
| 21:36.14 | beardy | geno_: I meant that perhaps it has security consequenses, if you do what I say, so you have to decide upon that yourself. If it's possible, let the user have his hosted files in his homedirectory. I don't know how your setup works, but why not in his ~/public_html ? |
| 21:36.16 | stew | astronut: debian does not have a live distro |
| 21:36.22 | deblin | stew: thanks for the help. I'm going to go get some coffee, but let me konw if youthink I'm doing sometihng wrong :) |
| 21:36.34 | Eulex | Mirkus, I do not speak italian, go to #debian-it |
| 21:36.37 | rob_lt | ixion, gnome has dvd burning built in |
| 21:36.40 | stew | deblin: no i think you just gotta wait for a new apt-build |
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| 21:37.03 | ixion | rob_lt: whats the app called - I did a base install of debian |
| 21:37.11 | geno_ | beardy: becasue we sell two different packages, one for web hosting and one for email. to set his quota's they would either have to all be in his home dir and have the two quotas added together for it to work easily but I don't want the quotas to overlap |
| 21:37.45 | geno_ | so to keep them seperate i need to split it up and leave his email in /home/user and his web site in /var/www/www.site.com |
| 21:37.50 | ha | Eulex, Do you known any site thats explain how create backup all file in my hd? |
| 21:37.50 | Mirkus | thanks! |
| 21:38.01 | geno_ | geno_ but that causes problems if your using a chrooted ftp environment |
| 21:38.06 | geno_ | because symlinks dont work |
| 21:38.12 | geno_ | er didn't mean to send that to myself :P |
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| 21:38.23 | geno_ | symlinks would work if i didnt have to move out of the users home dir |
| 21:38.27 | milt | a strange problem: after a crash of Konqueror I cant see any more the icons of the applications in the menu bar or the toolbar menu of Konq. and in other places....Any input??? thank U |
| 21:38.29 | rob_lt | ixion, just right click a dvd iso and select burn, or if you want to burn files, open your desktop home icon or launch nautilus, and go to places -> cd creater |
| 21:38.42 | ixion | Ill try cheers |
| 21:38.47 | Eulex | ha, umh.... why would I know better than the other people in the channel? though I've heard that rsync is good if you move big amounts of files |
| 21:38.52 | geno_ | I don't want to disable chroot so I'm looking for a posible work around |
| 21:38.57 | Cat | Hello. I'm surprised that reportbug (version 3.15) does not show the list of opened bugs before to allow us to fill in a bug report, as it did. Do you think it is a bug? |
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| 21:39.19 | initech | rdiff-backup is pretty nice for disk based backups (usees librsync) |
| 21:39.20 | ixion | right clicking an ISO gives me nothing |
| 21:39.32 | geno_ | beardy: see where my problem lies? |
| 21:39.37 | Rambo3 | nautilus and type burn:/// |
| 21:40.22 | beardy | geno_: I see.. I guess it's not easy to let them use scp/sftp instead, to get rid of the chroot? It depends on what kind of users you have of course.. |
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| 21:40.49 | ixion | burn is not a valid location and it doesnt show up in "places" |
| 21:40.54 | initech | can't he bind mount some filesystem in the chroot, that has everything he needs? |
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| 21:41.02 | Babatko | beardy: and if i have debian installed on one box and i want it install on the second through network? |
| 21:41.04 | geno_ | beardy: that would be a great solution but the users aren't that savy |
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| 21:41.17 | Eulex | ixion, use gnomebaker/k3b (but the latter is better, imho) |
| 21:41.46 | ixion | cheers |
| 21:41.59 | geno_ | beardy: I have thought about suggesting that but I'm pretty sure they will probabbly be using a web editor with built in ftp transfers |
| 21:42.08 | geno_ | beardy: maybe I should find out what client, perhaps it has scp support |
| 21:42.42 | beardy | Babatko: You have to set up nfs, or ftp, or http, to install like you do over the internet, but on your own lan. /msg dpkgdebootstrap, and /msg dpkg chroot install |
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| 21:43.01 | Eulex | btw, is there a way to make a qt app look like a gtk app? |
| 21:43.21 | Rambo3 | you cant upgrade |
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| 21:43.51 | beardy | geno_: That's probably what they use yes.. Another way could be to have two usernames for each users, if they have both hosting and email at your place. But that's not really a good solution either.. |
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| 21:44.21 | cormorano | hi |
| 21:44.23 | geno_ | beardy: yea I had thought about that too, I guess if I can't find a real solution with ftp its better than nothing |
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| 21:44.50 | geno_ | but I'm gonna try and see if I can walk them through using an scp/sftp client |
| 21:44.59 | geno_ | or maybe their progarm will support it |
| 21:45.22 | geno_ | beardy: thanks for the convo, sorry if it started off on the wrong foot |
| 21:45.31 | geno_ | i just want to go home, its 4:30 on a friday evening |
| 21:45.37 | beardy | geno_: That would be the best. I'm not aware of any though. I'll have a quick look too. Let me know if you find one. |
| 21:46.16 | beardy | geno_: Thankyou. I'm sorry about that too. |
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| 21:48.13 | aieo | how do I remove pico? there is no pico package |
| 21:48.48 | beardy | aieo: Why, and how, do you have it installed? |
| 21:48.56 | valdyn_ | aieo: dpkg -S `which pico` |
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| 21:49.17 | aieo | beardy probably came with defaul debian installed. |
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| 21:49.38 | aieo | its nano! |
| 21:49.39 | aieo | thanks |
| 21:50.07 | beardy | aieo: No it doesn't. Nano is isntalled default. I donät think pico is in debian in any way, perhaps as a source package with pine, if there is such a package. |
| 21:50.27 | caphuso | beardy: nano is installed by default |
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| 21:50.35 | caphuso | beardy: and it sets up an alternative for pico |
| 21:51.11 | beardy | caphuso: Yes, that's what I said. Or do you mean in the pico package, if there is one? |
| 21:51.11 | pablum | confused... .bash_profile not being read by (interactive) terminal. Must read bash info... I thought I figured this one out, dammit. |
| 21:51.25 | caphuso | beardy: there's only a source package for pine/pico |
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| 21:53.02 | deblin | stew: ok |
| 21:53.08 | beardy | caphuso: Yes, that's what I thought/said too. Is pico or nano used as editor if you install the pine source package? |
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| 21:53.43 | caphuso | beardy: dunno |
| 21:53.51 | meursault | hi guys |
| 21:53.58 | deigo | if you install the pine source package and compile it, then pico will be added and can be accessed |
| 21:54.06 | deigo | you can manually set the EDITOR environment variable though\ |
| 21:54.15 | meursault | can someone explain me this command? it seems not to work for me - /sbin/grub --batch --device-map=/dev/null <<EOF |
| 21:55.36 | deigo | you can also add it to .bashrc and /etc/skel/.bashrc so that new users will get the setting. |
| 21:55.36 | beardy | !wayttd meursault |
| 21:55.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, meursault? |
| 21:55.45 | caphuso | meursault: it's means "run grub in batch mode, with /dev/null as device map file and use the following text until but not including the string "EOF" at the beginning of a line as stdin |
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| 21:56.20 | Babatko | beardy: can i use the sarge cd1 just for the network install as the businesscard 40 MB image? |
| 21:56.41 | meursault | beardy, im following a wiki to make a grub boot floppy |
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| 21:57.31 | valdyn | meursault: 'grub-install /dev/fd0' |
| 21:57.34 | EsajEsaj | is there a way to list all tags using CVS? |
| 21:57.47 | beardy | Babatko: I really don't know. But it should work I guess. If you can trick apt in thinking where you put cd1's content is a real repository. |
| 21:57.48 | valdyn | meursault: that will create a generic grub boot floppy |
| 21:58.43 | meursault | valdyn, i'd like that i can choose from a menu like now |
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| 22:02.09 | meursault | caphuso, i understand now how the command works, thanks |
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| 22:10.37 | fantomas | Isn't my nick is cool? :) |
| 22:10.53 | fantomas | despite my english sucks :) |
| 22:11.15 | stew | !nickmeter fantomas |
| 22:11.17 | dpkg | fantomas is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 22:11.38 | dodgyville | Hi |
| 22:11.38 | fantomas | stew: rotfl |
| 22:11.59 | fantomas | !nickmeter batman |
| 22:12.00 | dpkg | batman is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 22:12.06 | ixion | !nickmeter ixion |
| 22:12.07 | dpkg | ixion is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 22:12.08 | ixion | :/ |
| 22:12.24 | fantomas | How it calculates that? |
| 22:12.25 | kittonian | anyone here really good with bind 9? |
| 22:12.35 | fantomas | kittonian yep |
| 22:12.39 | dodgyville | I find debian places a lot of include files in sub-sub-directories in /usr/include, but a lot of Makefiles can't find them. How do I add these things like (gtk-2.0/gdk/) to the search path for gcc? |
| 22:12.52 | MobyTurbo | fantomas: it used to calculate based on leet-speak, capitalization, etc. I suspect it no longer does. |
| 22:13.07 | stew | MobyTurbo: there is a difference between nickmeter and nickometer |
| 22:13.36 | MobyTurbo | !nickometor fantomas |
| 22:13.45 | fantomas | stew: I've just about 30 minutes to found that difference between nickmeter and nickometer.. |
| 22:13.52 | MobyTurbo | !nickometer fantomas |
| 22:13.53 | fantomas | +spent |
| 22:13.53 | dpkg | 'fantomas' is 0.000% lame, mobyturbo |
| 22:14.19 | MobyTurbo | !nickometer MobyTurbo |
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| 22:14.41 | fantomas | s/found/find (hell) |
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| 22:16.15 | mike__ | g'day. how do i add a user to a group? |
| 22:16.23 | caphuso | mike__: man adduser |
| 22:16.39 | raf256 | using mirrored software raid should gave almost x2 speedup in readacces leaving writeaccess at same speed? hda and hdc for example (reiserfs) |
| 22:17.08 | FieldySnuts | best real world increase is about 80% |
| 22:17.23 | raf256 | FieldySnuts, so 180% of oryginal speed? that rox \\o// |
| 22:17.29 | FieldySnuts | you make the situation better if the drives are the same speed, same brand, same size, even same model |
| 22:17.57 | raf256 | and how do I setup such raid? I have oryginal data on hda8 and I have ready, empty,unformate partition on hdc8 |
| 22:17.57 | FieldySnuts | i'd still be using raid1 software if I hadn't lost both drives and the controller to a power fuckup (important lesson: raid does not replace backups) |
| 22:18.34 | kittonian | I've got two deb (woody) boxes setup (both running bind 9.2.x). One is the master, one is the slave. The master has been up and running perfectly for a long time now. I just brought the slave server online today. I am getting refused and denied messages when the slave tries to update the zone files and sync up with the master. I already looked through the config and I have allow-transfer { master; slave; }; in the global options of |
| 22:18.34 | kittonian | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.43 | FieldySnuts | gotta find and read the raid howto, tells you all about it. tip in advance: have boot a seperate partition, and NOT raided, makes life easier |
| 22:18.46 | FieldySnuts | !lart kittonian |
| 22:19.01 | oye | !kiss oye |
| 22:19.02 | raf256 | I want to mirror only given partitions (like 5,6 - for mount points like usr home) and I want to strip others (like 7,8 - for /var /tmp) |
| 22:19.05 | kittonian | FieldySnuts: thanks |
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| 22:19.28 | jogla_ | Hello |
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| 22:19.32 | raf256 | FieldySnuts, I do have knoppix, so its always easy \o/ |
| 22:19.42 | raf256 | !kiss knopix devels |
| 22:19.52 | jogla_ | Das anyone know how to get to now the content of sendmail class{g}? |
| 22:19.56 | jogla_ | *does |
| 22:19.58 | raf256 | with double P even |
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| 22:20.22 | raf256 | what the FUCK.....? |
| 22:20.43 | raf256 | wtf----> root@2[hda9]# cp -ra `ls -A` /mnt/hdc12 cp: cannot stat `share/apps/kturtle/examples/fr_FR/carr?.logo': No such file or directory |
| 22:21.06 | raf256 | same for share/apps/kturtle/examples/fr_FR/enroul?.logo and share/doc/console-tools/examples/?\326\254?\326\274 |
| 22:21.25 | raf256 | does it mean my oryginal /mnt/hda9 was fuckedup (FS corruption)? |
| 22:21.56 | raf256 | anyone...? |
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| 22:22.19 | beardy | raf256: It probably means you should use globbing instead of command substitution to get all files. |
| 22:22.20 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 22:22.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 22:23.30 | raf256 | !rhloabhtd Eulex |
| 22:23.57 | raf256 | !rhloabhtd Eulex |
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| 22:24.35 | ufoalien | Eulex: hi! soundcard works now, but ricoh is still in work (I hate this chip ;) |
| 22:24.58 | Eulex | ufoalien, ok |
| 22:25.03 | raf256 | beardy, wtf did you mean by that O_o ? |
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| 22:26.03 | Eulex | ufoalien, "ricoh is till in work"? someone's coding a driver for it? |
| 22:26.09 | Eulex | *still |
| 22:27.08 | hruske | raf256, why are you having hitmans? |
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| 22:27.28 | caphuso | or your +2 silver dragon scale mail, like this one moron who shall remain nameless did two weeks ago... |
| 22:27.39 | raf256 | hruske, what? |
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| 22:28.02 | hruske | why did you hire dpkg to kill Eulex |
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| 22:28.58 | MobyTurbo | !confuse hruske |
| 22:28.59 | dpkg | Yes, what is their bacon today, hruske? breeches of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 22:29.12 | hruske | twentyseven! |
| 22:29.14 | raf256 | hruske, because he used ~anyone |
| 22:29.16 | raf256 | !anyone |
| 22:29.17 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:29.28 | raf256 | ;P |
| 22:29.33 | hruske | so? |
| 22:29.39 | hruske | why bother? |
| 22:30.07 | MobyTurbo | hruske: if you start asking yourself "why bother" you won't be using IRC for long. ;-) |
| 22:30.25 | hruske | hehe |
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| 22:31.59 | fantomas | Yeah! I know the difference between nickmeter and nickometer :) |
| 22:32.02 | raf256 | !rhloabhtd hruske |
| 22:32.03 | raf256 | \o/ |
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| 22:32.08 | fantomas | !nickmeter stew |
| 22:32.09 | dpkg | stew is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 22:32.11 | fantomas | :) |
| 22:32.24 | Eulex | haha |
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| 22:33.00 | Eulex | !nickometer Eulex |
| 22:33.01 | dpkg | 'Eulex' is 0.000% lame, eulex |
| 22:33.05 | hruske | this channel is odd. |
| 22:33.30 | hruske | not sure which of 1,3,5,7 and 9 |
| 22:33.38 | Eulex | !nickometer raf256 |
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| 22:33.57 | Eulex | eh? why did dpkg /msg me on that one? |
| 22:34.02 | Eulex | !nickometer raf256 |
| 22:34.04 | jharrison | bot abuse |
| 22:34.07 | Eulex | hmm |
| 22:34.11 | hruske | !nickometer hruske |
| 22:34.12 | Eulex | yeah, sorry |
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| 22:34.30 | ufoalien | Eulex: at least someone is trying to write a driver for the ricoh chip |
| 22:34.37 | raf256 | !bushsmite Eulex |
| 22:34.44 | jharrison | I think if you query dpkg too many times within a time period he starts msging you |
| 22:34.51 | Eulex | ufoalien, ok :) |
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| 22:36.29 | TwistedEmotions | When you open a program... like xmms in this case is there some default way to lead it towards a GUI desktop number? You know how there are like 4 desktops or however many you set...? I want to be able to call programs from the terminal to different screens. |
| 22:37.11 | TwistedEmotions | Like I want something like xmms -desktop1 gaim -desktop2.. ect ect.. |
| 22:37.14 | Lord_Nightmare | how do i manually install a package which has a debian directory? also if i apt-get source xyz -b'ed a package, and it did not build completely because of lacking a pgp/gpg key, can i install it anyway? |
| 22:37.29 | Blissex | TwistedEmotions: depends on the window manager |
| 22:37.38 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. |
| 22:37.39 | TwistedEmotions | ;( |
| 22:37.44 | TwistedEmotions | Fluxbox anyone? |
| 22:37.54 | Blissex | TwistedEmotions: ask in #fluxbox :-) |
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| 22:37.59 | raf256 | TwistedEmotions, its easy in KDE |
| 22:38.01 | Lord_Nightmare | the reason for this: libGlib 2.6.0 is missing from unstable, making gaim impossible to install |
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| 22:38.18 | raf256 | !unstable |
| 22:38.18 | dpkg | [unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 22:38.21 | beardy | TwistedEmotions: It probably depends on what wm you use. Perhaps it is possible with some wm, to give the program options to open it's window in a specific virtual desktop, other than the current. |
| 22:38.21 | TwistedEmotions | raf256: how do you call it in kde? |
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| 22:38.37 | tictac | TwistedEmotions: you can set that up in flux configs using the Remember function |
| 22:38.41 | raf256 | TwistedEmotions, Advanced Windows Settings - Specyfic Windows Settings |
| 22:38.43 | Eulex | Lord_Nightmare, if you don't have the dependencies of a package installed, you don't want to install the package |
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| 22:39.07 | Lord_Nightmare | ok, i'd use stable or testing if they had a version of gaim in them from less than a year and a half ago |
| 22:39.26 | raf256 | the best movie plot ever --> "Dont do it Anakin - I have the highground!" ;-) |
| 22:39.41 | Eulex | Lord_Nightmare, and? |
| 22:39.46 | TwistedEmotions | thanks guys ;) |
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| 22:39.54 | Lord_Nightmare | Eulex: they do not |
| 22:40.06 | Lord_Nightmare | last i checked the most recent version is 0.80 |
| 22:40.14 | Lord_Nightmare | 1.40 was released a few days ago |
| 22:40.25 | Lord_Nightmare | er |
| 22:40.26 | Eulex | Lord_Nightmare, so you risk that your system breaks, just to get a bleeding edge gaim? |
| 22:40.38 | Eulex | testing has 1.3.1 |
| 22:40.56 | raf256 | gentoo is AFAIK cool for bleding egge |
| 22:41.14 | Lord_Nightmare | no, someone asked me to get gaim-encryption working, and that won't compile without updating a bunch of other stuff which would have required me to update a bunch of other packages anyhow |
| 22:41.23 | Lord_Nightmare | about 5 dependency levels deep |
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| 22:41.34 | hruske | Lord_Nightmare stable is gaim 1.2.1 |
| 22:41.42 | Lord_Nightmare | but the latest gaim won't even install because of un-pre-built packages |
| 22:41.46 | Lord_Nightmare | hruske: it is? |
| 22:41.50 | hruske | it is. |
| 22:41.54 | hruske | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gaim&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 22:42.00 | Lord_Nightmare | i wonder why the hell dselect doesn't see it then |
| 22:42.07 | Lord_Nightmare | or rather, didn't see it |
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| 22:43.03 | Lord_Nightmare | i still need to figure out how to install glib-2.4.0 though. it compiled the whole way, but failed to finish because i don't have a pgp key or whatnot |
| 22:43.19 | hruske | cd into glib-2.4.0 |
| 22:43.29 | cast | dpkg-buildpackage doesnt fail without a pgp key |
| 22:43.31 | hruske | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
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| 22:44.05 | cast | Lord_Nightmare: make a pgp key anyway, join the terrorists - gpg --gen-key |
| 22:44.38 | Eulex | Lord_Nightmare, testing has libglib 2.6.5 |
| 22:44.43 | eguzkia | hi |
| 22:45.08 | eguzkia | someone know an application to transform DVD video into DivX |
| 22:45.21 | transgress | eguzkia: you'd uh... need the divx encoder. |
| 22:45.25 | transgress | eguzkia: use xvid |
| 22:45.30 | raf256 | Lord_Nightmare, are you gey? are you stupid? then joing the bush electorat \o/ |
| 22:45.44 | raf256 | whoops, wtf is with me and the typos |
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| 22:45.58 | Eulex | eguzkia, I think (with an emphasize on *think*) that mencoder can do that |
| 22:46.04 | hruske | raf256, is there something wrong with gays? |
| 22:46.17 | raf256 | hruske, no \o/ |
| 22:46.25 | cast | Eulex: yip, it can. |
| 22:46.25 | beardy | hruske: Don't feed the troll. |
| 22:46.42 | hruske | beardy, it's poison :) |
| 22:46.53 | cast | eguzkia: id use theora/vorbis instead of divx though ;p |
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| 22:47.09 | deadcat | raf256: this is not #politic |
| 22:47.36 | raf256 | !chillout beardy and deadcat |
| 22:47.48 | deadcat | raf256: you chill |
| 22:48.11 | initech | yes, if you want to see the most idiotic cesspool of assholes in the world, just go join #politics |
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| 22:49.00 | ellobo | hi |
| 22:49.47 | kbrooks | Why? |
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| 22:50.47 | Lord_Nightmare | btw why does debian only have four options per package? it has install, hold, remove, and purge. there should be a fifth, 'defer', which makes it so the package remains installed until no dependencies of it are left installed, then it removes itself on next update |
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| 22:51.23 | FieldySnuts | !whine Lord_Nightmare |
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| 22:51.33 | cast | Lord_Nightmare: you mean to get rid of unused librarys? |
| 22:51.34 | ellobo | i am using kernel 2.6.11.10 and noticed there are some issues with the cdrecord(-clone) which debian packages. i red (somewhere in a googled page) that i could solve the problem by not setting cdrecord suid root (dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord), but no success. Can anyone help ? |
| 22:51.35 | EruditeHermit | hi, when my system boots, I have 2 ethernet devices, eth0 and eth1. Currently, it tries to configure both at boot, but I want it to stop if it configures one. Can anyone help me to do this? |
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| 22:51.55 | Lord_Nightmare | cast: basically, yes |
| 22:52.03 | hruske | EruditeHermit man interfaces |
| 22:52.05 | EvanCarroll | Lord_Nightmare: use deborphan |
| 22:52.09 | doleyb | eguzkia: mplayer |
| 22:52.13 | doleyb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.14 | EruditeHermit | hruske: I can't find it in there |
| 22:52.24 | EruditeHermit | hruske: it doesn't talk about multiple interfaces |
| 22:52.27 | EvanCarroll | Lord_Nightmare: It will return a list of files that are not listed as dependencies for anything |
| 22:52.28 | cast | Lord_Nightmare: use aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 22:52.36 | TheStick | ellobo: the problem was solved, update your debian and fetch a new recompile your kernel :) |
| 22:52.38 | hruske | well, comment the auto eth0 line |
| 22:52.47 | TheStick | ellobo: with a new version, right |
| 22:53.03 | EruditeHermit | hruske: but, I want it to look for both |
| 22:53.16 | cast | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html number 2 |
| 22:53.23 | Lord_Nightmare | the reason i think my local tree is hosed is that even though i'm updating from a valid server, I'm not seeing the new versions of 90% of the packages that get updated |
| 22:53.27 | hruske | oh. |
| 22:53.32 | ellobo | humm... let me see if i get it right: i need to update both : kernel and debian package ? |
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| 22:54.39 | hruske | EruditeHermit, you could set up a bridge |
| 22:54.53 | hruske | then the bridge would get only one ip |
| 22:55.06 | EruditeHermit | hruske: how would I do that? |
| 22:55.11 | cast | doleyb: you asked that yesterday, is 4.4 gig > 4700000000? |
| 22:55.25 | hruske | just a sec |
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| 22:57.06 | RichiH | did someone configure debian to be domain0 of a xen setup? |
| 22:57.48 | cast | OT question: if you have a programming book with examples, I take it those examples are copywrited and may not be used as actual code inside your programs? |
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| 22:59.13 | caphuso | cast: depends |
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| 23:01.33 | hruske | EruditeHermit http://kiberpipa.org/~hruske/bridge |
| 23:01.54 | hruske | EruditeHermit this is an example init script for bridge. |
| 23:01.56 | raf256 | ....so I will just cp -ar each partition to new one (some have other FS type), then run this grub-installer, and that is all? it will work fine - the other hdd - when booting from it? ofcourse I will update the /mnt/newhdd/etc/fstab |
| 23:02.08 | caphuso | raf256: -ax |
| 23:02.13 | doleyb | cast: i ask that every 12 hours until i get a reply |
| 23:02.14 | hruske | this is how i solved it, probably not the best way. |
| 23:02.31 | raf256 | caphuso, WHAT? O_o -ar is not enought? because I was cp'ing last 2 hours |
| 23:02.37 | EruditeHermit | thanks hruske, I will try it out |
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| 23:02.53 | cast | doleyb: are you trolling? |
| 23:03.03 | beardy | doleyb: /msg dpkg repeat, /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 23:03.12 | doleyb | cast: no, i am wanting to learn if growisofs or something supports dvd+r |
| 23:03.13 | caphuso | raf256: and you didn't bother reading the description of the -a option in the cp man page first? well, i hope it breaks, you deserve it |
| 23:03.34 | hruske | doleyb, it's 47000000 bytes, which is not 4.7 gigabytes |
| 23:03.34 | cast | doleyb: oh, well it does support dvd+r |
| 23:03.37 | raf256 | !rhhoabhtd caphuso |
| 23:03.52 | raf256 | caphuso, I did read it. I dont see why I would need the -x option? |
| 23:04.12 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.12 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.17 | raf256 | caphuso, no shit! |
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| 23:04.27 | raf256 | caphuso, I know. I wonder wtf would I need it? |
| 23:04.32 | hruske | raf256, shit! :D |
| 23:04.36 | d03boy | does anyone know how I can unpack a .jar file? |
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| 23:04.37 | caphuso | raf256: because you fucking don't want to copy /proc, for example |
| 23:04.39 | kittonian | ok silly question. i added an entry in the interfaces file and did an ifconfig eth0 down and then brought it back up. my new entry is not being recognized. what did I forget to do? |
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| 23:04.54 | doleyb | hruske: no, giga is a power of 10. it has meant that for 150 years. it's not a power of 2 |
| 23:04.56 | beardy | d03boy: unzip |
| 23:04.59 | raf256 | caphuso, are you retarded, ofcourse I used cp -ar /usr then /var and so on. |
| 23:05.00 | d03boy | thanks |
| 23:05.08 | hruske | kittonian, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:05.16 | kittonian | heh, thanks |
| 23:05.24 | cinix | wow! turn the heat up. |
| 23:05.34 | hruske | doleyb, well, 90% of OS thinks different |
| 23:05.34 | caphuso | raf256: and you didn't have any filesystems mounted under those trees? |
| 23:06.17 | raf256 | caphuso, I did: cd /mnt/hda1 (the old boot), cp -ar `ls -A *` /mnt/hdc1 (the new boot) and same for hda2,3,4,5 ... (usr home var and so on) |
| 23:06.45 | caphuso | urgh |
| 23:06.47 | Anton74 | Hi. I can't seem to figure out what program/package I need to create .db files for pam - the vsftpd documentation cited db_load which I can't find - any suggestions? |
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| 23:06.58 | psykhaze | hi |
| 23:07.10 | psykhaze | i'm a new user of debian |
| 23:07.25 | d03boy | HI! |
| 23:07.30 | psykhaze | and i'm installing sarge |
| 23:07.50 | psykhaze | and i encounter few problems :/ |
| 23:07.51 | hruske | howdy. |
| 23:07.54 | TheStick | hiya |
| 23:07.55 | caphuso | raf256: you've been very lucky |
| 23:08.03 | cast | doleyb: unfortunately CS has somewhat ignored metric prefixes, though this has in theory been fixed with the introduction of gibi[??] etc..a set of prefixes for 1024 etc..but few use them |
| 23:08.07 | psykhaze | could somebody help me |
| 23:08.20 | TheStick | we'll help you, for a slight fee :P |
| 23:08.24 | raf256 | caphuso, I bet my ass I was \o/ |
| 23:08.27 | raf256 | !beer me |
| 23:08.49 | cast | doleyb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#IEC_standard_prefixes |
| 23:08.50 | hruske | psykhaze, dont ask, just ask |
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| 23:08.58 | hruske | bah. |
| 23:08.59 | resiak | raf256, caphuso: Long day? |
| 23:09.00 | raf256 | !help |
| 23:09.11 | psykhaze | does somebody knows why,when after installing the minimal version |
| 23:09.21 | psykhaze | i am front of a prompt |
| 23:09.36 | psykhaze | and when i try to configure apt |
| 23:09.43 | caphuso | !tell psykhaze -about enter |
| 23:09.47 | psykhaze | it refuses to install the packages |
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| 23:10.00 | psykhaze | ^ |
| 23:10.01 | cast | psykhaze: and why dfoes it refuse? |
| 23:10.07 | raf256 | !helpsmite psykhaze |
| 23:10.09 | beardy | psykhaze: Just ask your question. Try to be specific and give as much useful information as possible. And try to ask the whole question at once, not over multiple lines, it's hard to read it when there is many others talking the same time. |
| 23:10.18 | resiak | !tell psykhaze -about enter |
| 23:10.20 | raf256 | !smite me |
| 23:10.23 | doleyb | cast: um, that's the page i was using already, to check that i was right before i said anything. |
| 23:10.27 | psykhaze | it tries to connect to security.debian.org |
| 23:10.27 | caphuso | raf256: stop that bot abuse |
| 23:10.28 | resiak | psykhaze: Define "t refuses to install the packages |
| 23:10.31 | raf256 | caphuso, ok |
| 23:10.34 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: You're being pretty vague. |
| 23:10.41 | psykhaze | mmm |
| 23:10.45 | Eulex | raf256, that's not very friendly |
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| 23:10.52 | psykhaze | after apt-setup |
| 23:10.54 | raf256 | Eulex, yes, is it. |
| 23:11.07 | psykhaze | it analyses the cd in order to install the packages |
| 23:11.10 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: Ok, so what version of debian are you installing? Woody? Sarge? |
| 23:11.16 | psykhaze | yep |
| 23:11.19 | psykhaze | yhe 3.1 |
| 23:11.29 | psykhaze | isn't it the good one to use ? |
| 23:11.47 | Anton74 | daedalus_: he said sarge I believe |
| 23:12.00 | daedalus_ | anton74: Thanks. I was trying to figure that out |
| 23:12.06 | raf256 | isnt version "gentoo" better? |
| 23:12.07 | Anton74 | psykhaze: do you know if you have working networking / internet access? Sounds like that may be the problem possibly |
| 23:12.09 | cast | doleyb: :), then why are you bringing up a topic you already know the answer to? your 4.7GB dvd is 4.7e9 bytes, which is about 4.38GiB, so no, you cant burn 4.4GiB onto it |
| 23:12.23 | beardy | !ops raf256 is a troll, kill him |
| 23:12.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: raf256 is a troll, kill him |
| 23:12.24 | raf256 | (please appologize, Im just bored waiting for all the CP :P) |
| 23:12.25 | psykhaze | i went yesterday on debien.org and i downloaded the 10 first iso for i 386 |
| 23:12.31 | resiak | raf256: That's most helpful. |
| 23:12.32 | raf256 | beardy, omg :) |
| 23:12.33 | resiak | beardy: No. |
| 23:12.40 | psykhaze | i'm trying to install it on a P4 5,53 Ghz |
| 23:13.01 | psykhaze | i got a net connection |
| 23:13.08 | hruske | raf256 is just an attention.. lady. |
| 23:13.21 | Eulex | psykhaze, eh, you like overclocking and liquid nitrogen cooling? ;) |
| 23:13.23 | Anton74 | 5.53 GHz??? ??? ???? !! ??? |
| 23:13.23 | psykhaze | and some networking stuff to connect my workstation |
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| 23:13.35 | streuner | psykhaze: why the hell you didn't using netinstall? |
| 23:13.41 | psykhaze | lol eulex nop ^^ |
| 23:13.59 | raf256 | wtf? psykhaze you have 5 Ghz box O_o |
| 23:14.21 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: You should have installed using a netinstall disk |
| 23:14.29 | psykhaze | because the network isn't well configured and the workstation i use to connect is under windows :/ |
| 23:14.39 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.45 | hruske | psykhaze, if you can, do use the netinstall |
| 23:14.46 | psykhaze | lol |
| 23:15.09 | psykhaze | righ right i admit it's only a 2,5 Ghz |
| 23:15.12 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: At any rate, you're at a prompt. Are you sure you actually have network connectivity |
| 23:15.24 | psykhaze | but it's my keyboard fault ^^ |
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| 23:15.49 | psykhaze | i have an internet connection on a second computer under windows |
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| 23:15.59 | psykhaze | i have a 100 mbps switch |
| 23:16.20 | psykhaze | the 2 computers are connected |
| 23:16.33 | psykhaze | under a 10 base T network |
| 23:16.40 | psykhaze | lol |
| 23:16.44 | kittonian | nope, this thing will still not take the update to the interfaces file |
| 23:16.58 | Anton74 | psykhaze: is ICS configured on the Windows box? |
| 23:16.59 | caphuso | psykhaze: stop abusing your enter key. now. |
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| 23:17.01 | psykhaze | this f**kin keyboard makes me write some s**t |
| 23:17.05 | kittonian | i checked my commands against another machine and everything is identical |
| 23:17.05 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: Having a wire plugged into your computer doesn't mean that the machine has connectivity |
| 23:17.41 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: What message does it display when you try to configure apt? |
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| 23:18.01 | psykhaze | connecting to security.debian.org[] |
| 23:18.12 | daedalus_ | And then...? |
| 23:18.23 | psykhaze | its does not connect |
| 23:18.41 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: It has to bail out at some point with a message |
| 23:18.44 | kittonian | grr, i know why |
| 23:19.02 | kittonian | the stock debian kernel that come with the netinstall of woody doesn't support aliasing by default |
| 23:19.24 | kittonian | is there a way I can build that in without having to compile a completely new kernel? |
| 23:19.26 | psykhaze | i've downloaded the isos yesterday |
| 23:19.27 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: Alright, well, for giggles, do a /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 23:19.42 | Anton74 | psykhaze: is Internet Connection Sharing configured on the Windows box? Without that, no other machine on the network can access the internet |
| 23:19.45 | streuner | !d-i kttonian |
| 23:19.46 | dpkg | kttonian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:19.49 | daedalus_ | psykhaze: I'm not sure the machine is seeing the network |
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| 23:20.16 | streuner | !d-i kittonian |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | kittonian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:20.18 | hrusak | kittonian, aliasing? as in eth0:1 ? |
| 23:20.24 | psykhaze | Arrton74 : No i don't think so :/ |
| 23:20.28 | kittonian | streuner: thanks but not on this machine. it's too old and everything was compiled from source. I don't want to run into any issues at the moment, nor do I have the time for it. Eventually that will happen. |
| 23:20.36 | kittonian | hrusak: yes, exactly |
| 23:20.44 | Atula | what's the command to deconfigure xfree86 again? dpkg-deconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 23:20.46 | hrusak | well it does support |
| 23:20.47 | Anton74 | So, does anyone have experience setting up virtual users for vsftpd? I'm getting stuck creating the pam .db file, don't know what to use to create that |
| 23:20.50 | psykhaze | my internet connection is on a computer with windows SP 1 |
| 23:20.55 | Anton74 | psykhaze: I'd start with that then |
| 23:21.01 | resiak | !drxx Atula |
| 23:21.02 | dpkg | Atula: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:21.03 | daedalus_ | !drxx atula |
| 23:21.04 | dpkg | atula: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:21.15 | Atula | k |
| 23:21.15 | kittonian | well I'm getting the error msg that comes up in a search result that tells me it's because the kernel doesn't have support for it |
| 23:21.19 | resiak | kittonian: Why are you using woody |
| 23:21.19 | kittonian | so I assumed it didn't |
| 23:21.20 | psykhaze | Arrton74 : thanks |
| 23:21.23 | resiak | ? |
| 23:21.29 | Anton74 | psykhaze: do you know how? |
| 23:21.33 | kittonian | resiak: it's a production qmail server. |
| 23:21.56 | resiak | kittonian: Why are you using the install kernel? |
| 23:22.05 | kittonian | resiak: why not? |
| 23:22.08 | daedalus_ | kittonian: install a new kernel from apt |
| 23:22.08 | kittonian | it works fine |
| 23:22.11 | resiak | !real kernel |
| 23:22.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 23:22.12 | MadChipmunk | Can someone tell me why my computer just shuts off when netinstalling? The boot.img works, it asks for root.img, halfway through loading...*BLIP...power goes off.. using ix86 on a pentium 2 |
| 23:22.21 | MadChipmunk | msg for more info if you could help, thanks. |
| 23:22.29 | streuner | resiak: someone have to change this factoid... |
| 23:22.41 | kittonian | ahh, interesting |
| 23:22.50 | resiak | streuner: What's currently wrong with the Sarge kernels? |
| 23:22.58 | Atula | how do you retart X server? |
| 23:22.59 | MadChipmunk | or could someone tell me of another flav of nix I can netinstall? |
| 23:23.04 | psykhaze | right : the computer with i am connected is under windows and the computer i want to install debian on powered and i am connected on root |
| 23:23.14 | resiak | MadChipmunk: Do livecds work? |
| 23:23.20 | streuner | resiak: iam talking about the factoid NOT woody nor sarge |
| 23:23.22 | MadChipmunk | I don't have a cd burner :o( |
| 23:23.37 | streuner | resiak: factoid is out of date |
| 23:23.37 | resiak | streuner: I know; what are you planning on changing? |
| 23:24.00 | psykhaze | then i type apt-setup and i select cd-rom |
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| 23:24.12 | MadChipmunk | I tried mounting mandrake's iso's (3 of em) but when I mounted the second .iso, it erased the 1st, the 3rd erased the 2nd, and so on. |
| 23:24.15 | resiak | ;) |
| 23:24.17 | beardy | Atula: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you're "in it". '/etc/init.d/[xgkw]dm restart' otherwise |
| 23:24.23 | Anton74 | psykhaze: on the Windows box, go to Network Connections, right click on the connection that provides internet access, go to Properties, click on the Advanced tab, then check the "Allow other users to connect through this computer's Internet connection" checkbox, click OK etc |
| 23:24.25 | resiak | MadChipmunk: Mandrake != Debian... |
| 23:24.30 | MadChipmunk | resiak, no, I don' t believe so..not if I have to burn em. |
| 23:24.36 | streuner | resiak: you are a native speaker in english ;-) |
| 23:25.07 | Atula | beardy, thanks |
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| 23:25.15 | psykhaze | Arrton74 : It's even done , but i am going to check again . The SP1 under windows is making the stuff bizarre :/ |
| 23:25.29 | MadChipmunk | I did manage to netinstall mandrake (once) but after it was all said and done, it hung up when booting (at the point it starts the kernel) |
| 23:25.30 | resiak | streuner: Which bit are you thinking of changing? |
| 23:25.43 | kittonian | ok, installing kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 23:25.46 | streuner | resiak: good question for sarge |
| 23:25.47 | madmax | guys im getting make[3]: no: Command not found.. what am i missing? |
| 23:25.50 | beardy | MadChipmunk: This is #debian. |
| 23:25.52 | streuner | resiak: dunno |
| 23:25.58 | Anton74 | psykhaze: before the Linux box will pick up on that, it needs to acquire a DHCP lease from the Windows box. Hopefully that will happen automatically if you reboot it (probably easiest thing to try) |
| 23:26.06 | hrusak | madmax: packages.debian.org and search for no |
| 23:26.17 | resiak | streuner: Mmm. I think that there's some fuse stuff... Maybe d-s-a will be helpful. *greps* |
| 23:26.17 | MadChipmunk | I understand that beardy, and I'd appreciate it if you'd read my entire conversation before correcting me. |
| 23:26.42 | MadChipmunk | this is day 3 of fighting with this thing, and I'm about to hang it up. |
| 23:27.02 | psykhaze | Arrton74 : DHCP has been even acquired |
| 23:27.03 | MadChipmunk | why does debian turn the power off during netinstall when it reads the root.img floppy. |
| 23:27.03 | kittonian | i've never let apt install a kernel for me. does it basically choose the exact same options as the kernel that is currently compiled? |
| 23:27.04 | streuner | resiak: but in terms of 'Real Kernel' hm.... |
| 23:27.28 | resiak | streuner: Exactly. |
| 23:27.29 | pipeline | kittonian: There are default options. |
| 23:27.37 | Anton74 | psykhaze: can you do: ping midphase.com |
| 23:27.53 | madmax | hrusak, cant find it there. |
| 23:28.22 | hrusak | what are you compiling? |
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| 23:28.32 | madmax | hrusak, pspsdk |
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| 23:29.07 | joloc | my .cshrc on HOST reads "exec bash" (admin disabled chsh). result: i can ssh HOST, but not ssh HOST CMD, presumably because ssh exec's before it comes to execute CMD. what to do? |
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| 23:29.37 | redpoptart | I compiled a 2.6.11 kernel without initrd and with fs support built into the kernel but it wont boot. It returns the error "VFS: Cannot open root device "md0" or unknown-block(0,0)" followed by a kernel panic. Can anyone provide some insight on my problem? |
| 23:29.43 | cafuego | well well |
| 23:29.55 | silent_scream | hi room. I'm trying to install debian, but says that It didn't find a hard disk.. what am i supposed to do? |
| 23:30.06 | streuner | cafuego: How was vacation? |
| 23:30.15 | resiak | redpoptart: you haven't built in your IDE chipset? |
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| 23:30.19 | hrusak | redpoptart, you should revise your configuration. |
| 23:30.21 | psykhaze | Arrton 74 : I am going to get disconnected i reconfigure the windows net connection : see ya ;) |
| 23:30.31 | kittonian | i'm getting a msg telling me to edit lilo.conf and add in an initrd=/initrd.img line. I just add a new line into the image=/vmlinuz stanza right? |
| 23:30.34 | resiak | redpoptart: It _is_ something you've forgotten to build in. |
| 23:30.35 | Anton74 | psykhaze: ok |
| 23:30.36 | caphuso | joloc: try 'exec bash $*' instead |
| 23:31.03 | caphuso | i hope i got that csh syntax right... |
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| 23:31.05 | hrusak | madmax maybe this could help --- http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?t=2352 |
| 23:31.19 | redpoptart | resiak, oh i see. hrmm.. do you specifically mean something i forgot to build into the kernel or something i forgot to add as a module? |
| 23:31.35 | hrusak | redpoptart in kernel. |
| 23:31.43 | hrusak | if you're not using initrd |
| 23:32.02 | streuner | dpkg, lart cafuego |
| 23:32.08 | madmax | hrusak, allready installed.. thats the sdk.. not the toolchain. |
| 23:32.13 | silent_scream | hi room. I'm trying to install debian, but says that It didn't find a hard disk.. what am i supposed to do??? |
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| 23:32.13 | hrusak | oh. |
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| 23:32.17 | resiak | redpoptart: Why are you building your own kernel? |
| 23:32.19 | resiak | !room |
| 23:32.19 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 23:32.34 | beardy | !tell silent_scream about repeat |
| 23:32.40 | redpoptart | oh I see. okay. i haven't been using initrd because i haven't been able to figure out how to not use cramfs when building an initrd image |
| 23:32.40 | Anton74 | silent_scream: do you have some unusual drive controller? |
| 23:33.01 | redpoptart | resiak, trying to get a ndiswrapper to work, and also badmem. |
| 23:33.03 | silent_scream | no |
| 23:33.03 | daedalus_ | redpoptart: Uh, you can't not use cramfs |
| 23:33.15 | hruske | madmax where's the link to sdk, since i am trying to help you, you could be a bit of use |
| 23:33.21 | Anton74 | silent_scream: what do you have? |
| 23:33.22 | cafuego | streuner: bah. |
| 23:33.23 | daedalus_ | silent_scream: are you running SATA? |
| 23:33.25 | caphuso | daedalus_: you sure can |
| 23:33.34 | daedalus_ | caphuso: Since when? |
| 23:33.39 | caphuso | daedalus_: since, uh, ever |
| 23:33.40 | resiak | redpoptart: Badmem works on 2.6 these days? (And you don't need to rebuild for ndiswrapper. |
| 23:33.40 | silent_scream | i have installed some othel linux distos with no problem |
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| 23:34.07 | silent_scream | Anton74: im not sure, i think sata |
| 23:34.09 | daedalus_ | caphuso: Huh. Didn't know. I guess I just assummed that it was mandatory |
| 23:34.10 | madmax | hruske, http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?t=2363&start=30&sid=2937ef4020201af2a5770f0b71f0ae4c |
| 23:34.20 | redpoptart | resiak, from the original author. he has a version of BadRAM patch for 2.6.11 |
| 23:34.44 | cafuego | Ram is so cheap these days, why would you bother with badram? |
| 23:34.46 | resiak | redpoptart: Fantastic. I've been wanting to try it. |
| 23:35.00 | resiak | cafuego: Because I have a bad 512 next to me? |
| 23:35.18 | cafuego | resiak: 512 is cheap too, mate |
| 23:35.25 | redpoptart | cafuego, the system i use is is 2x512 and one of them has a single bad bit on it |
| 23:35.31 | Anton74 | silent_scream: hm. I'm afraid I don't have SATA experience with Linux at all |
| 23:35.31 | redpoptart | PC133 :( |
| 23:35.34 | resiak | cafuego: Are you a student? |
| 23:35.48 | beardy | cafuego: depends on how much money you have, mate |
| 23:35.48 | cafuego | resiak: No, I am a self-employed IT professional. |
| 23:35.49 | streuner | silent_scream: look at the SATA FAQ (/msg dpkg sata faq) |
| 23:36.02 | Anton74 | psykhaze: any luck? |
| 23:36.09 | cafuego | resiak: Which may or may not mean that you, as a student, are richer then I am. |
| 23:36.25 | redpoptart | resiak, thanks for the help. i will look through my config some more. it's dinner time for now :] |
| 23:36.28 | resiak | cafuego: Hmm, really? :=/ |
| 23:37.00 | kittonian | well crap. this thing installed. i rebooted. the machine came up except for the ethernet |
| 23:37.14 | kittonian | which was the whole problem in the first place and now apparently it can't find the network card |
| 23:37.20 | joloc | caphuso: nice idea, but didn't work. $argv and $* should both do (it's tcsh). my .cshrc does get sourced (i put an echo on the top), but argv is empty. |
| 23:37.23 | kittonian | so now I have a much bigger problem |
| 23:37.26 | cafuego | resiak: I never got paid in stock options ;-) |
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| 23:37.43 | humbolt | what might be the reason why the authentication to my proftpd does take sooooo long. even IIS is faster. I get my user data form a mysql DB and I think proftpd might try several times to find the users in the passwd file or somewhere else, before it actually asks mysql. There might be some additional config needed. Any ideas? |
| 23:37.56 | caphuso | joloc: then go bribe the admin |
| 23:38.23 | hruske | kittonian which card? |
| 23:38.27 | cafuego | humbolt: Did you configure proftpd-mysql properly? it works fine (instantanously) here |
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| 23:38.33 | resiak | cafuego: Hey, my student loan isn't either! Let's go drink beer! :) |
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| 23:38.37 | kittonian | i have no idea |
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| 23:38.48 | cafuego | resiak: pff. I still paying mine off :-P |
| 23:38.49 | joloc | caphuso: sigh... officially i don't even have this unix account ;-) |
| 23:38.53 | humbolt | cafuego: That's what I ask myself. |
| 23:38.55 | caphuso | joloc: heh |
| 23:38.58 | hruske | kittonian lspci | grep Ethernet |
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| 23:39.13 | caphuso | joloc: i think that makes the bribe a bit more expensive ;-) |
| 23:39.18 | humbolt | cafuego: Do you know something, like the most common mistake? |
| 23:39.20 | joloc | caphuso: lol |
| 23:39.23 | resiak | cafuego: Heh. |
| 23:39.24 | kittonian | no response |
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| 23:39.35 | hruske | kittonian lspci |
| 23:39.36 | cafuego | humbolt: Do I know something? No. |
| 23:39.42 | Virtual | does Debian have kind off a Hibernate state so that the current session is saved identicly or stand by? |
| 23:39.45 | hruske | and look for ethernet |
| 23:39.48 | kittonian | i just looked at the back of the machine and it's a pci card so it's 99% postively a 3Com card |
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| 23:39.57 | kittonian | yup |
| 23:40.04 | kittonian | 3Com 3c980-TX |
| 23:40.08 | resiak | Virtual: you can do hibernation and standby on a number of machines |
| 23:40.15 | humbolt | cafuego: It takes like 20-30 seconds here! |
| 23:40.23 | resiak | Virtual: I think you can do hibernation on any. Google swsusp |
| 23:40.36 | cafuego | humbolt: Is the ftp server doing a revers elookup or something? |
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| 23:40.45 | humbolt | elookup? |
| 23:41.02 | humbolt | how can I find out? |
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| 23:41.17 | cafuego | humbolt: Increase the log level and see what itÅ› doing |
| 23:42.12 | hruske | grrr. |
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| 23:43.36 | humbolt | other question: what could that mean in messages assuming my host is named apache: Jul 3 13:01:32 apache -- MARK -- |
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| 23:44.12 | fooz | humbolt, it means your logs are so slow that your system inserted a -- MARK -- there just to let you know the machine is still alive |
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| 23:44.44 | billh | Any channels here that discuss building various large packages for Debian ? |
| 23:44.46 | fooz | humbolt, it's normal |
| 23:45.25 | humbolt | Jul 4 08:39:33 apache proftpd[18691]: 63.130.182.25 (63.130.214.154[63.130.214.154]) - mod_delay/0.4: delaying for 121 usecs |
| 23:45.29 | humbolt | what about that? |
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| 23:45.50 | fooz | dunno. read the proftpd manual |
| 23:45.51 | cafuego | humbolt: That looks like itÅ› delaying because you enabled somehting called od_delay |
| 23:45.56 | cafuego | mod_delay too |
| 23:46.12 | cafuego | maybe, um i dunno, disable that? |
| 23:46.23 | hruske | kittonian fire up google and find the right driver. |
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| 23:46.32 | cafuego | Though 121 microseconds is not 20 seconds |
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| 23:47.01 | humbolt | Delay engine reduces impact of the so-called Timing Attack described in |
| 23:47.02 | humbolt | # http://security.lss.hr/index.php?page=details&ID=LSS-2004-10-02 |
| 23:47.02 | kittonian | it's a 3com card. it was recognized by default during the install. why on earth would i need a driver specific for it now with a later kernel revision? |
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| 23:47.16 | hruske | not sure. |
| 23:47.19 | jair | guys hello. |
| 23:47.25 | hruske | you just need to find the right module |
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| 23:47.33 | hruske | elow, jaiger |
| 23:47.36 | hruske | elow, jair |
| 23:47.41 | cafuego | humbolt: Well, if you don't want to debug the problem, then don't ask for help. |
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| 23:48.03 | humbolt | I want to and I am reading the doc right now |
| 23:48.04 | jair | I remember that the first time i install debian using the netinst, I was installing the cupsys and then after that I could not print straight from Mozilla firefox. |
| 23:48.10 | SammyTheSnake | has anyone here had any luck with freenet? I keep getting the same error :( |
| 23:48.11 | jair | hruske, how are you. |
| 23:48.48 | hruske | oh, fine, thanks :) |
| 23:48.51 | jair | then someone told me that I have to enable or edit something in the debian sarge box in order to make the mozilla-firefox send print outs to the printer. |
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| 23:50.08 | jair | I can not remember very well but it was something about a postscript or some kind of package or file to edit to make mozilla firefox print using the brand new installed cupsys? |
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| 23:50.48 | xafan | how can I find a "testing" mirror? |
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| 23:50.55 | humbolt | cafuego: looks like this mod only adds a delay to the auth response if the user is invalid. therefore a possible cracker can't find out if the user name was right or wrong just by checking the response time. |
| 23:50.58 | hruske | jair, not sure about this, but when you figure it out, put it down on wiki.debian.net for next time ;) |
| 23:51.00 | resiak | apt-setup! |
| 23:51.08 | xafan | resiak, it doesnt list what's what |
| 23:51.17 | resiak | !mirrors |
| 23:51.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 23:51.35 | p30n | can someone tell me how i can make several sata disks show up as one /dev/ so that i can make 2 x 200gb disks to 1 x 400gb partition |
| 23:51.40 | renegad3 | hi guys, I have just edited the /etc/login.defs file and am wondering what would I have to do for this to take affect? |
| 23:51.56 | jair | hruske, right I will do that |
| 23:52.08 | resiak | p30n: LVM? |
| 23:52.20 | p30n | resiak: tell me, whats that ? |
| 23:52.23 | jair | anyone here remember something about that?? about how to make the mozilla firefox print using cupsys? |
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| 23:52.46 | raf256 | root@2[mnt]# grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hdc1 |
| 23:52.47 | raf256 | /dev/hdc1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 23:52.48 | Atula | hello |
| 23:52.50 | raf256 | ^--- wtf? |
| 23:52.50 | resiak | !fgi p30n LVM |
| 23:52.51 | dpkg | p30n: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=LVM |
| 23:52.53 | Atula | can someone help me reset the date |
| 23:52.54 | hruske | kittonian, tried modprobe 3c59x ? |
| 23:53.02 | hruske | atula |
| 23:53.04 | Atula | what's the command to reconfigure the time |
| 23:53.27 | hruske | Atula date [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] |
| 23:53.30 | Atula | thanks |
| 23:53.33 | raf256 | Atula, open X, click on clock, go to admin mode (give root password), change.. or what hruske |
| 23:53.52 | raf256 | root@2[mnt]# grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hdc1 --> /dev/hdc1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. <--- wtf... ? why grub-install do not work? |
| 23:54.02 | humbolt | is there a way to do something like less and then "F" key but have a grep involved? |
| 23:54.02 | hruske | hdc1? |
| 23:54.23 | MrBallZ | question: how do i update the security patches .... " a la windows update ...=P ) |
| 23:54.28 | stew | raf256: hdc1 isn't a drive, its a partition |
| 23:54.41 | stew | MrBallZ: /msg dpkg security |
| 23:54.46 | raf256 | stew, no shit. /dev/hdc do not work as well |
| 23:54.52 | raf256 | root@2[mnt]# grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hdc /dev/hdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 23:54.57 | Atula | hruske, what's "CC"? |
| 23:55.11 | xafan | so the main mirrors contain packages for testing and unstable? etc |
| 23:55.16 | xafan | even though they say stable |
| 23:55.19 | hruske | Atula century. |
| 23:55.25 | raf256 | so how the fuck can I install this damn grub then? onto HDC drive |
| 23:55.37 | stew | are you sure that hdc is the correct drive? |
| 23:55.46 | hruske | raf256, are you doing it in a chroot? |
| 23:55.54 | raf256 | root@2[mnt]# hdparm /dev/hdc |
| 23:55.54 | raf256 | /dev/hdc: |
| 23:55.54 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.54 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.54 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:56.10 | raf256 | hruske, what chroot O_o .. ? no |
| 23:56.12 | stew | raf256: how long have you been here that you don't know better than to flood? |
| 23:56.16 | renegad3 | I have made changes to the /etc/login.defs file, how can I make those changes have effect?? |
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| 23:56.31 | raf256 | stew, stupid Xchat. knoppix hould inxclue Konversation |
| 23:56.56 | stew | so you are in a chroot? |
| 23:56.59 | raf256 | hruske, no chroot.. how exacly I should do it? I want to install it onto hdc MBR, and /boot is on /dev/hdc1 |
| 23:57.14 | resiak | raf256: Do you have irssi in Knoppix ? |
| 23:57.17 | hruske | raf256 you need to specify --root-directory |
| 23:57.20 | raf256 | (although the driver will be booted as primary-master /dev/hda) |
| 23:57.21 | hruske | afaik |
| 23:57.22 | mdh | raf256: setup (hd2) |
| 23:57.46 | raf256 | root@2[mnt]# grub-install --no-floppy hd2 |
| 23:57.46 | raf256 | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 23:57.50 | stew | raf256: you are booted into knoppix trying to fix a debian install? |
| 23:57.58 | raf256 | stew, yes |
| 23:58.03 | stew | raf256: did you chroot? |
| 23:58.05 | raf256 | !smite damn Xchat nick tab competition |
| 23:58.13 | raf256 | stew, nooo. htf should I do it exacly? |
| 23:58.24 | raf256 | and wtf man grub-install do not mention it |
| 23:58.28 | stew | chroot to your root partition, then grub-install |
| 23:58.48 | stew | when you chroot you have to -bind mount /dev and /proc |
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| 23:58.54 | stew | maybe not proc though |
| 23:59.03 | raf256 | well.. /dev/hdc8 - /mnt/hdc8 is my new root... but /mnt/hdc8/boot do not exist |
| 23:59.05 | kittonian | hruske: modprobe 3c59x doesn't return a response. even though I added the line into modules.conf it still doesn't work. I even tried restarting networking from init.d after doing the modprobe and still no go |
| 23:59.06 | hruske | chrooting isnt good |
| 23:59.22 | raf256 | !smite grub-install |
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| 23:59.34 | stew | grub-install works perfectly fine |
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