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00:00.00xafanis it possible to "pretend" a apt-get install?
00:00.06xafanjust to display what exactly it will install?
00:00.07thyhorrorhi people , weird problem here . have a hitachi dvd recorder that records TV on dvd-r but i can't mount in on the debian box or play it on any other dvd players . anyone know what filesystem type they might be using ?
00:00.12raf256so what *exacly* to do? Im in knoopix, I have new boot on /mnt/hdc1 and I want to set MBR for hdc.  (the disc will be connected as hda though when booting, if its important)
00:00.14stewraf256: if you don't have /mnt/hdc8/boot, where is your kernel going to be located?
00:00.18resiakxafan: man apt-get
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00:00.38xafan...I love the mentality of this, we wont give answers, instead we'll make you read a few dozen pages of text
00:00.42mdhxafan: just say "n" when it prompts if you'd like to install the packages
00:00.45raf256stew, /mnt/hdc8 is the root (/) of new hdd,  /mnt/hdc1 is the boot (/boot) of new hdd
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00:00.53kittonianresiak: you told me to install this apt kernel. now my production mail server is down. could you please give me a hand bringing it back to life?>
00:01.11stewraf256: umount /mnt/hdc1, /mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc8/boot
00:01.18stews#/mount#mount#
00:01.25resiakkittonian: No, basically. Does it still work with the old one?
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00:01.31stewthen mount -bind /dev /mnt/hdc1/dev
00:01.35daedalus_kittonian: Whoa... there are no guarantees of service/fitness/accuracy here
00:01.41raf256stew, done
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00:01.44kittonianresiak: how do I get it back to the old one?
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00:01.51resiakkittonian: Reboot, choose the old one.
00:01.57kittonianthere is no choice
00:01.59resiak...
00:02.07stewerr that mount -bind should be in /mnt/hdc8/dev
00:02.09resiakYou didn't remove it, did you?
00:02.17kittoniani just did the apt-get install command
00:02.17resiakDoes LILO never load?
00:02.24raf256stew.... ?
00:02.26resiakYou haven't rebooted?
00:02.29kittonianlilo loads but doesn't give me choices
00:02.31stewraf256: then chroot /mnt/hcd8; grub-install /dev/hdc
00:02.34kittonianyes i've rebooted
00:02.36rkingkittonian: you can use a rescue disk to boot it up, and then point lilo at the old kernel
00:02.42rkingkittonian: did you try hitting "Tab" at the prompt?
00:02.44resiakOh, Christ.
00:02.46kittoniani don't have a rescue disk
00:02.50stewraf256: make that grub-install --root-directory /boot /dev/hdc1
00:02.54resiaklilo: Sorry.
00:03.07kittonianrking: what prompt?
00:03.07resiakkittonian: Find a livecd!
00:03.07raf256stew::   root@2[hdc8]# chroot /mnt/hdc8; grub-install /dev/hdc
00:03.07raf256bash: dircolors: command not found
00:03.14stewraf256: then edit /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst and fixup the root= param in kopt
00:03.24raf256stew, it didnt worked
00:03.25rkingkittonian: the Lilo prompt
00:03.38stewraf256: you don't even have dircolors in /usr/bin?
00:03.41rkingkittonian: you probably should practice this stuff on a non-production machine. =)
00:03.44kittonianholy fuck. i asked a simple question, i got all these responses telling me i just HAD to upgrade this install kernel. i did it. i got screwed. and now it's go search the net?
00:03.45hruskeraf256, do grub-install  --root-directory /hdc8/boot /dev/hdc
00:03.50hruskeout of chroot
00:03.55raf256stew dunno
00:04.15stewraf256: dircolors is in coreutils, an essential package
00:04.23resiakkittonian: You didn't read the stuff about lilo. If you don't have a Knoppix CD somewhere, I'm amazed.
00:04.30rkingkittonian: do you see something that says "LILO:"?  if so, hit tab
00:04.50raf256hruske, didnt work: root@1[knoppix]# grub-install --root-directory=/hdc8/boot /dev/hdc
00:04.50raf256mkdir: cannot create directory `/hdc8/boot/boot': No such file or directory
00:05.05MrBallZquestion: when i start my laptop, Kwifimanager, cant seem to find any networks, and what i do is go to terminal as root, and o a "  modprobe ath-pci "  then a " ifconfig ath0 up" and last " dhclient ath0 " , and then I can see the wireless networks and conect to them ... how can i fix this so when i boot its everything ok ...
00:05.08kittonianresiak: i did read the stuff about lilo. in fact I even posted questions to no response here in the channel.
00:05.22kittonianand when I see Lilo 22.2 come up and hit the tab key nothing happens
00:05.27kittonianit just boots the new kernel
00:05.30kittonianno options
00:05.53kittoniani had to edit the lilo.conf according the install instructions adding one line to the image=/vmlinuz stanza
00:05.54mdhisn't it "shift" at the lilo prompt, not tab?
00:06.00raf256stew, knoppix@3[knoppix]$ locate dircolors
00:06.00raf256locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old
00:06.00raf256/usr/bin/dircolors
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00:06.07mdhbeen ages since I used that heap o shit
00:06.12resiakkittonian: I've never used LILO. I'm not the one to ask. I just know that the Woody install kernels are Bad(TM), so invoked !real kernel.
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00:06.21resiakraf256: No.
00:06.25raf256you see - it sucks ass..... 15 minutes and still no grub!
00:06.32raf256htf can I do it finally?
00:06.34hruskeheh, raf256, grub-install --root-directory=/hdc8 /dev/hdc
00:06.35stewraf256: you need dircolors in the chroot
00:06.49raf256knoppix@3[knoppix]$ grub-install --root-directory=/hdc8 /dev/hdc
00:06.49raf256mkdir: cannot create directory `/hdc8/boot': No such file or directory
00:06.52stewhruske: /dev/hdc8 isn't his root /dev/hdc1 is
00:06.53maherkittonian: make a boot disk / live cd - toms root boot disc fits on a single floppy
00:07.05stewhruske: and you mean /dev/hcd1 not /hdc1
00:07.12kittonianand how should I do that exactly?
00:07.16stewraf256: did you actually have debian on hdc1?
00:07.17kittonianmy client is a G5
00:07.20kittonianno floppy drive
00:07.22stewraf256: if you did you would have dircolors
00:07.22beardykittonian: What is the problem? That you can't boot with any kernel at all, or what?
00:07.27kittonianthe server doesn't have a usable NIC
00:07.44stewdinnertime, later
00:07.47raf256stew, I did copy all debian partitions to hdc already but Im running knoopix now
00:07.54kittonianbeardy: the problem is that my network card isn't being recognized now that I installed the 2.4 series kernel via apt
00:07.59stewraf256: you must have missed /usr/bin/
00:08.07raf256stew, no,
00:08.09stewraf256: yes
00:08.12kittonianall I wanted was to add one more ip address to this box that's been working perfectly with a 2.2.x series kernel
00:08.14raf256stew no
00:08.22kittonianbut i was told i needed to update the kernel
00:08.22maherkittonian: well make a cd then
00:08.26raf256stew no, but /usr is a separate partition
00:08.30joloccaphuso: this one does the trick: "if ($?command) then exec bash -c $command else exec bash endif" :-)
00:08.34stewraf256: you need to mount that too then
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00:08.50raf256stew, omfg
00:09.02maherkittonian: believe it or not irc is not the fount of all knowledge - people here might say things which ar ejust wrong
00:09.06kittonianboth kernels boot (although I don't even know if the other kernel exists anymore). but the new one which seems to be the default now doesn't recognize the NIC
00:09.12hruskeraf256, mount it as if it was running
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00:09.19maherkittonian: even including me...
00:09.34resiakkittonian: So use the old one till you figure it out?
00:09.38kittonianmaher: i didn't take just one person's word on it. a lot of people responded immediately with that same idea. so i figured it to be valid. silly me
00:09.48kittoniani don't know how to use the old one
00:09.52kittonianthat's what I'm asking
00:09.58maherkittonian: so you can boot a kernel on the box?
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00:10.04smo_webcam in amsn it s good ;) good new stuff
00:10.21kittonianyes
00:10.25kittonianthe 2.4 kernel boots
00:10.26beardykittonian: Type "LinuxOLD", Enter, when you boot with lilo,
00:10.29kittonianbut i have no ethernet
00:10.38kittonianI have no prompt with LILO
00:10.38hruskekittonian, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html
00:10.47kittonianthere is nothing to type. there is no options
00:10.48beardykittonian: Get one then ;)
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00:10.57kittonianhow do I get one?
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00:11.07raf256hruske, how to mount it? my NEW /usr is at /dev/hdc12 (currently mounted on /mnt/hdc12)
00:11.11beardykittonian: Shift, I think.
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00:11.18beardykittonian: Or Ctrl
00:11.22maherkittonian: the old kernel is probably still there - look in /boot and then edit /etc/lilo.config to boot both kernels
00:11.24error410Sleep time!!!
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00:11.35beardykittonian: I have a menu, so I don't do it that way..
00:11.38error410Sleep time!!!
00:11.46MrBallZhow can i reload the changes done to fstab, so they can take effect without restarting ...
00:11.46raf256!stfu error410
00:11.47error410oops
00:11.47dpkgSHUT THE FUCK UP error410!
00:11.50error410sorry
00:11.57mdhkittonian: as I said about 15 minutes ago, you hit shift when LILO comes up.  you get a prompt.  you tell it the kernel you want to load.
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00:11.59error410i didnt know /amsg did it in all servers!
00:12.11raf256heh ;)
00:12.30mahertictac: isn't that the point :)
00:12.49MrBallZtictac: i have a pentium 4-M 1.8
00:12.50lalalalhi, i trying to set up a second network interface but a problem is bee replyed to me: eth0: trigger_send() called with the transmitter busy. How can i fix it??
00:12.51hruskeraf256, how's it going?
00:13.01MrBallZtictac , and it runs fairly good
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00:13.08raf256.. stew, hruske... so?  Im on knoppix, my new hdd is:  /dev/hdc1 is new boot  hdc12 is new usr  I want to install MBR for hdc (I did copy /boot manualy already)
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00:13.21tictacim referring to the 2.8 ghz and above
00:13.32hruskeraf256, so you don't have /boot partition?
00:13.33MrBallZok, nv
00:13.40MrBallZcyaz ...
00:13.48mdhraf256: as I said about 20 minutes ago, in the grub console you "setup (hd2)"
00:13.50raf256/dev/hdc1 is new boot   /dev/hda  /dev/hdc8 is new root (/)  and /dev/hdc12 new usr
00:13.56raf256mdh, oh
00:14.10mdhgrub will then load itself onto hdc
00:14.11kittonianok, i got the prompt. i edited lilo.conf. it's booting the old kernel
00:14.16tictacthey are horribly slow. (i.e.  ranging from 300 mhz to 3 ghz)
00:14.16kittonianhopefully this will work
00:14.25paolovasHi guys. I want to download testing version(etch) but in the debian page it appears only sarge, I want a net-install cd
00:14.34resiakpaolovas: Get Sarge, upgrade?
00:14.35hruskepaolovas, use sarge.
00:14.38raf256mdh, grub> setup (hd2)
00:14.38raf256Error 12: Invalid device requested
00:14.54kittonianok, the network is back and working
00:14.54raf256how the FUCK can one install this damned grub :[ its so not user friendly.
00:14.56mdhraf256: then grub doesn't know you have a hdc
00:14.56hruskeraf256, did you by any chance change the disks?
00:15.02raf256noooo
00:15.05tictacdisabling intel speedstep doesnt really do much. the cpu still slows/speeds up.. just not to full potential (1.6ghz instead of 3 ghz)
00:15.08tictac:|
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00:15.10lalalalhi, i trying to set up a second network interface but a problem is bee replyed to me: eth0: trigger_send() called with the transmitter busy. How can i fix it??
00:15.13kittonianso, word to the wise. DO NOT USE APT TO INSTALL A KERNEL
00:15.31paolovasbut sarge is stable now. Does etch has o will have a net-install cd the same way sarge does ??
00:15.36hruskekittonian, no, don't play with production servers.
00:15.42cafuegokittonian: You need to also run ĺilo'to write a new bootsector with the new config file.
00:15.46raf256so anyone can tell me step by stem what to do?
00:15.52hruskepaolovas, use sarge, and then upgrade if you want
00:15.53cafuegokittonian: Incidentally, using apt to install kernels works fine.
00:16.01SDFH_Linuxworks fine always for me
00:16.14beardykittonian: Why not?
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00:16.14paolovasthanks !!
00:16.20mdh!beer cafuego
00:16.27paolovasI was doubting with one should I use now
00:16.29paolovashehe.
00:16.31cafuego!cask-wine mdh
00:16.36cafuegobah
00:16.42kittoniancafuego: what did I need to run?
00:16.45jharrisonwhat command shows you the library depends of a binary?
00:16.49mdhhahah!  I am immmune to your evil drink ;)
00:16.50cafuegokittonian: 'lilo'
00:17.02kittoniancafuego: lilo booted the new kernel
00:17.09raf256resiak, so.... :( ?
00:17.16hruskecafuego, apt-get runs lilo.
00:17.16kittonianwould running that made a difference with the network card coming up?
00:17.19resiakraf256: What you say?
00:17.32cafuegokittonian: if the new kernel had a different driver for that card, sure
00:17.34raf256resiak, what should I do?   /dev/hdc1 is new boot   /dev/hda  /dev/hdc8 is new root (/)  and /dev/hdc12 new usr ... what exacly to do?
00:17.36hruskeraf256 where did you mount it
00:17.38hruskeroot
00:17.44resiakraf256: How the hell should I know? :)
00:17.47raf256hruske,  with root?
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00:17.58hruskewhere did you mount it
00:18.02raf256mount WHAT
00:18.10mdhoh excellent... american beer!
00:18.13hruskemount /dev/hdc8
00:18.13raf256/dev/hdc8 is new root (/)
00:18.18raf256hruske, nowhere
00:18.29hruskewell make a dir and mount it there
00:18.31cafuegomdh: carbonated spring-beer
00:18.34hruskethen do
00:18.58cafuegowhy didn osama blow up the bud brewery eh
00:19.05hruskegrub-install --recheck --root-directory=/there /dev/hdc
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00:19.41raf256hruske, wait
00:19.45hruskeraf256, ofcourse mount /boot and /usr too.
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00:19.49mdhcafuego: because he's a fucking terrorist, not the saviour of the world
00:20.03FieldySnutssomeone needs a pacifier
00:20.09resiak!pacify FieldySnuts
00:20.11resiak:*
00:20.13cafuegomdh: Ha! I don see bush doing it either :-P
00:20.13hruskemdh, vigilante ;)
00:20.14dhnsycjmy system is running how do I create a booth disk?
00:20.23mdhdoing a public service doesn't make you look tough with your al-quaeda buddies ;)
00:20.36cafuegomdh: and he _is_ the self-proclaimed saviour of the world ;-)
00:20.41hruskehehe
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00:21.44colli was looking at apt-cache search kernel-source for 2.4.31 to get it and compile manually but its not showing up
00:22.04colldo i need to apt-get update my sources/packages or get it manually off the net?
00:22.05cafuegocoll: You can always fetch it from kernel.org and use make-kpkg on it.
00:22.37collcafuego: make-kpkg is a front-end though, no?
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00:22.47resiakTo "make", yes.
00:22.54Chewie[]Does `cdw` accept MP3s?
00:22.57raf256hruske, like that?  -->  root@1[~]# mkdir fuckgrub/boot && mount /dev/hdc1 fuckgrub/boot
00:22.57raf256root@1[~]# mkdir fuckgrub/usr && mount /dev/hdc12 fuckgrub/usr
00:22.57raf256root@1[~]# mount /dev/hdc8 fuckgrub/
00:23.06cafuegocoll: it calls various build stages and creates a .deb, yes
00:23.07hruskehaha
00:23.08resiakraf256: No.
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00:23.15raf256resiak, no? omggggggg
00:23.20humboltIs there a way to find out, whether the dns lookups on my machine are done via tcp or udp?
00:23.27collcafuego: i see. well no, i want to build it manually.
00:23.30cafuegohruske: Theyŕe done via udp
00:23.35raf256cant I just tell fucking grub to write the fucking MBR to freaking hdc?
00:23.35cafuegohumbolt: udp
00:23.36resiakraf256: You obscure hdc12 when you mount 8 on fuckgrub. :)
00:23.49cafuegocoll: No, try again.
00:23.54humboltI assume that if udp does not work, tcp is used, since NS supports both?!
00:23.54collcafuego: building a kernel from source is only like make dep, make clean, make bzImage and make modules, no?
00:23.56toshhumbolt all dns lookups are done using udp, or tcp for doing zone-transfers or lookups of a certain size
00:23.56hruskeraf256, you should mount hdc8 first
00:24.00raf256resiak, so what EXACLY should I type to do it right finally >:[
00:24.10humbolttosh: I see
00:24.11raf256.... ok hruske
00:24.31hruskefirst root, then boot and usr
00:24.33mahercoll: you need a make menuconfig in there
00:24.37toshhumbolt if queries exceed 500 bytes, then tcp is used
00:24.39cafuegocoll: Yes. That's exactly what 'make-kpkg' does, except it also compresses it into a .deb file. Why on earth would you not want that convenience?
00:24.53hruskethen grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/fuckgrub /dev/hdc
00:24.54raf256root@1[fuckgrub]# umount /UNIONFS/root/fuckgrub
00:24.54raf256umount: /UNIONFS/root/fuckgrub: device is busy
00:24.56mahercoll: probably a make oldconfig in fact if you have your previous .config
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00:25.13hruskeraf256, umount hdc8 first
00:25.19dhnsycjCreate boot disk from a running system
00:25.25hruskesince you mouted it last, right?
00:25.29raf256root@1[fuckgrub]# umount /dev/hdc8
00:25.29raf256umount: /UNIONFS/root/fuckgrub: device is busy
00:25.29raf256umount: /mnt/hdc8: device is busy
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00:25.46mdhare you guys deliberately fscking with raf256 or are you beningly amusing?
00:25.48hruskeheh
00:25.58raf256mdh, so help me install it smartass
00:25.58hruskenot sure.
00:26.15hruskeraf256, try umount -l /dev/hdc8
00:26.15toshhe was kicked because he flooded the channel
00:26.18cafuegoblame dondelelcaro
00:26.26toshwhich is a channelpolicy and a policy known to many channels, use #flood
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00:26.36collcafuego: yeah i need that make menuconfig also there, right. i just need a different .config, thats why i need it to be manualy
00:26.43mdhI wasn't talking about the flood kick, that's his/her own stupid fault
00:26.57toshI stand corrected then
00:27.23cafuegocoll: You can call 'make-kpkg' *after* you run 'make menuconfig'
00:27.27thyhorrorhi people , weird problem here . have a hitachi dvd recorder that records TV on dvd-r but i can't mount in on the debian box or play it on any other dvd players . anyone know what filesystem type they might be using ?
00:27.36toshanyone know if there are any projects that do/emulate mountpoints over ssh?
00:27.40raf256hruske, unmounted.. so now mount  hdc8 --> fuckgrub  then hdc12 to fuckgrub/boot and same for hdc1->fuckgrub/boot ?
00:27.46toshkinda like ftpfs, but using ssh or something else thats secure
00:27.57hruskeraf256, two boots?
00:28.06mdhtosh: you could use ssh to setup a tunnel then ftpfs over it
00:28.06raf256hdc12 to usr I mewnt
00:28.17hruskeraf256, ok then, yes
00:28.20collcafuego: is there some guy on using make-kpkg?
00:28.24cafuegotosh: Gnome (nautilus) does an ssh vfs, which works fine. I have a bunch of remote boxen mounted on my desktop via ssh.
00:28.35cafuegocoll: it comes with a lot of documentation, yes.
00:28.36mdh!kp
00:28.36dpkgit has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)
00:28.47toshthen I would have to use it for only that purpose... don't like nautilus that much
00:28.55mahertosh: shfs
00:28.56raf256root@1[~]# mount /dev/hdc8 fuckgrub
00:28.56raf256root@1[~]# mount /dev/hdc12 fuckgrub/usr/
00:28.56raf256root@1[~]# mount /dev/hdc1 fuckgrub/boot/
00:28.56raf256<PROTECTED>
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00:28.57toshhaven't come across a decent file browser
00:29.01rbochangeez
00:29.05cafuegotosh: 'ls'
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00:29.12raf256debhelper, thats getting old ;)
00:29.21hruskeraf256 grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/fuckgrub /dev/hdc
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00:29.34toshshfs...mmm
00:29.38hruske*fingers crossed*
00:29.55coll!make-kpkg
00:29.55dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd ...
00:30.06hrusketosh, you can use fish:// in konqueror
00:30.25hrusketosh or cd /#sh:user@host in midnight commander
00:30.36collok im gonna check out the docs first
00:30.37collthanks
00:30.49raf256hruske, "Installation finished. No error reported. "  <-- oh joy \o/
00:30.52mdh!kp mantra
00:30.53dpkgThe kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image;
00:30.58cafuegoor 'ssh user@host ls' in the shell
00:31.01raf256!beer resiak&hruske
00:31.05resiak:D
00:31.14jairhow do I mount a external HD 300GB in a sarge laptop? I am trying to use this: # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /home/jairzhino/flash_drive/ but it is not working, it works with flash drive 128mb and a 80GB lacie external. but don't know why not with this 300GB hard drive maxtor one touch II.
00:31.24toshapparantly there is something called sshfs
00:31.30toshand its in the apt tree
00:31.31raf256the grub-install should be update with _detailed_ example as above though
00:31.32cafuegojair: mount a partition, not the whole drive.
00:31.35hardwiregreycat rules
00:31.41foozjair, mount a partition, not the drive itself
00:31.48hruskeraf256, right :D
00:31.49foozjair, consult your dmesg
00:31.58foozjair, plug it in, then type dmesg | grep sda
00:31.59raf256now lets see if the clonning worked
00:32.08foozjair, it'll have a list of partitions somewhere in there if it worked right
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00:32.56raf256what can go wrong? I copy each partiton using cp -ar into new HDD, i update new /etc/fstab using also LABEL=... (so it will work when HDD is conncted as hdc and when as hda), I run grub-install, now I just unplug the hda and replace it with clone - the hdc, right? something might go wrong?
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00:33.25jairfooz, and cafuego I just buy this HD external it might have a huge partition. I will type the result of fdisk -l and the dmesg | grep sda.
00:33.40raf256so nothing can go wrong probably?
00:33.48foozjair, no. don't type it. READ it yourself
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00:34.07mdhraf256: is your fstab correct?
00:34.21raf256mdh, as I just wrote:   i update new /etc/fstab using also LABEL=... (so it will work when HDD is conncted as hdc and when as hda)
00:34.29enkiduhello
00:34.34raf256!hello
00:34.34dpkgHi, raf256!
00:34.38jairit recognize it as a scsi 300 MB and it can not find a valid partition on that device.
00:34.48jairshould I partition it uisng ext3
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00:34.54jairfdisk or cfdisk
00:35.02raf256so... time to reboot then \o/ /o\
00:35.04redpoptartresiak, i'm baking a new kernel right now. i found that IDE was added as a module before :/ hopefully this does the trick.
00:35.20resiakredpoptart: Hmm.
00:35.39foozjair, i don't know. some intelligent external drives (like ipods) will get very confused if you erase them. if it's just a normal drive, then you can partition it though
00:35.41barryhey...I have a USB camera here...it should be accesible by USB mass storage, but I'm not detecting
00:36.04enkidueh?
00:36.14enkidui don't think that works that way
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00:36.21hruskebarry, not sure you got that right. not mass storage
00:36.26barryI ran hotplug, and it didn't detect
00:36.32barryit said it should be accesible by that
00:36.42enkiduusb mass storage is very different from usb input devic
00:36.45enkiduusb mass storage is very different from usb input device
00:36.50maherbarry: is the camera turned on and in picture view mode?
00:36.52barryat least the driver for it
00:37.05barrynow it is, and it's in USB connect mode
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00:37.32maherbarry: does it show up in lsusb
00:37.42barrywhere is lsusb?
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00:37.56maherbarry: probably in the lsusb package
00:38.14shingouzbarry: what camera?
00:38.28enkiducan anyone recommend a decent mud client for ubuntu?
00:38.32barrygateway DC-M42
00:38.40barryenkidu: powwow
00:38.47enkiduthank you
00:38.54barryenkidu: search it and do a source install
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00:39.01n_I'm having trouble getting debian to recognize my harddrive on bootup: it's a SATA AHCI drive. It seems like it ought to work with sd and libata compiled in, but all it will say on bootup is that it can't find a partition on (8, 3) (/dev/sda3). Anyone have any advice?
00:39.30mahern_: does it have a partition / fs on the drive?
00:40.22barryit doesn't seem to come up with anything on lsusb...there is something labeled Vivitar, Inc. though
00:40.35n_maher: yep. I've bootstrapped it form knoppix, which works fine
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00:40.39barryIt comes up with my scanner, mouse, and printer
00:40.55barryand a mysterious thing called Vivitar, Inc.
00:41.24enkidusounds like a display device
00:41.27barryI think it might be the camera...so how do I mount it from here
00:41.38barryIt's on Bus 002 Device 005
00:41.41maherbarry: do you have hotplug installed
00:41.45barryyes
00:41.55atrustosh: i use fuse with the sshfs module. works, if a little slow.
00:42.22barryso, how would I use hotplug to access it
00:42.29enkiduinv
00:42.34enkiduoops
00:42.36enkidusorry
00:42.51maherbarry: grep sd /var/log/syslog to see what it called it - or cat /proc/partitions
00:43.02barryenkidu: which MUD do you play on?
00:43.14enkiduhappy mud
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00:43.42barrythe grep thing displayed a lot of text...
00:44.10maherbarry: what about cat /proc/partions - anything starting sd
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00:44.40barrysda and sda1
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00:44.46enkidugnome mud doesn't utilize "." as a way to path a destination like .n3e4nuw
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00:44.48barryso, just mount sda?
00:44.49maherbarry: that's your camera
00:44.50JeffHcan mysql be used to replace the /etc/passwd and /etc/groups files?
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00:44.58maherbarry: probably mount sda1
00:45.15enkiduchat it seems gnome-mud uses "." as 'chat'
00:45.22enkidusign
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00:45.41mlalkakahi everyone
00:45.53EnsignRedshirtHello, world.
00:46.00jairok
00:46.03enkiduhello
00:46.24enkiduwhois mlalkaka
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00:46.28hruskehello mars! :D
00:46.43mlalkakahow can i reset a single terminal (e.g. i want to reset/resta
00:47.00enkiduthat name in my language means good crap
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00:47.04mahermlalkaka: type reset?
00:47.14barrythank you people!
00:47.24mlalkakahow can i reset a single terminal (e.g. i want to reset/restart tty6). sorry my first message got cut off
00:47.45foozmlalkaka, try reset 2>/dev/tty6
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00:48.52daedalus_mlalkaka: do a 'ps auwx' and figure out what's running on tty6. Then 'kill' that pid
00:49.09enkidul
00:49.15EnsignRedshirtFor email, I use evolution, which connect to separate mail server using imap for reading and smtp for sending.  Now I want to be able to send an email from a script.  I tried the "mail", but the email never arrived, and I'm sure it is because I don't have something configured correctly.
00:49.16enkiduargh sorry
00:49.38EnsignRedshirts/the "mail"/the "mail" command/
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00:50.10maherEnsignRedshirt: you need to set up your local mail daemon (probably exim) to deliver mail via your smtp server
00:50.28maherEnsignRedshirt: unless its local mail in which case it should just work
00:51.04EnsignRedshirtmaher: exim4 is running, but that was set up when automatically when I installed sarge.
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00:51.45EnsignRedshirtfurrywolf: Don't worry cap'n, it's just a flesh wound.
00:52.11furrywolfEnsignRedshirt:  I think "he's dead, jim!" is the line that usually comes next.  :)
00:52.14JeffHanyone know where I can find a good howto on using mysql as a pam backend?
00:52.16collJust to be on the safe side: once i downloaded and uncompressed the kernel source (2.4.31), to compile it i run make menuconfig, make dep, make clean, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install. after all that is done does the system change any how? i mean, thats all compiling it, not actually runing it, is it?
00:52.22FieldySnutsthat or "i've had worse"
00:52.40jimhe's furrywolf, jim!
00:52.46maherEnsignRedshirt: well - you need to reconfigure exim to do what you want...
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00:53.47mdhcoll: you then move a bunch of files around, manually configure your bootloader, and hours later regret that you didn't do it the debian way
00:54.31EnsignRedshirtmaher: OK... I'll see what lurks in /etc/exim4
00:54.33jimJeffH: consider postgres if you can... more advanced, more usual in its ACID compliance, so better in multiuser situations, stored procs, transactions actually protected, etc
00:54.44mlalkakafooz, thanks. i ran reset from the messed terminal without any arguments and it worked.
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00:55.13JeffHjim: too late.. already use mysql for other things and not going to migrate to postgres.
00:55.25FieldySnuts!start an sql war
00:55.28daedalus_mdh: "the debian way" makes it sound so much like a cult man.  Make recommendations, not ultimatims
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00:55.52FieldySnutsdpkg: start a db war
00:55.52dpkgMySQL is faster than gdbm
00:56.11jimdaedalus_: the debian way is just a street across town :P
00:56.26daedalus_jim: Heh... good one
00:56.42hruskedBase all the way? :P
00:57.03jimJeffH: still... you might check out how it is to build and use, in case...
00:57.25collmdh: so just to be sure, doing all that should not change or affect the system in any way right?
00:58.00foozo/~ Tell you users not to hold my hand o/~ o/~ Tell your users not to understand o/~
00:58.16mdhcoll: until you reboot into the new kernel, the only changes to the system you're making are (now this is profound) the ones you're making
00:58.33collmdh: by the way, is the debian way (make-kpkg saves a copy of the current kernel, meaning it keeps its entry in /boot and lilo so i can boot with it if anything goes wrong with the new kernel build?)
00:58.34FieldySnutsapt: start a world war
00:58.34aptUSA should nuke North Korea!
00:59.20mdhcoll: it doesn't "save a copy" - make-kpkg simply creates debian packages of the kernel, which you install with dpkg
00:59.39furrywolfstart a db war is a war between databases...  start a <foo> war is a war between <foo>s in general...  so shouldn't start a world war be along the lines of "mars can kick mercury's ass any day"?  :P
01:00.16maherfurrywolf: i offer both the first and second world wars as counterexamples
01:00.18mdhcoll: it helpfully names them so they don't conflict with other kernel versions, meaning you can have multiple kernel packages installed, and it interacts with your bootloader so the kernel is automatically setup right
01:00.42furrywolf!start a war war
01:00.42dpkgbrowser wars rule!
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01:01.38collmdh: i see. so basically it will just append a new entry to my boot loader
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01:01.49collmdh: so yeah, maybe ill try it the debian way.
01:01.51EnsignRedshirtWell, more lurks in /etc/exim4 than I wanted to know.
01:01.52mdhcoll: also, after making your kernel .config however you choose, you only have to call make-kpkg - you don't have to remember all the manual steps involved in building the kernel itself
01:02.08coll!make-kpkg
01:02.08dpkgit has been said that make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && ...
01:02.13mdh!kp
01:02.14dpkgrumour has it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)
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01:04.04EnsignRedshirtIs there command I could use to send an email off to an smtp server?
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01:04.31mdhcoll: a common problem is, particularly if you use lilo, you install the kernel and forget to run 'lilo' then can't boot it, or in the process of doing it all manually lilo fucks up and you can't boot at all, etc.
01:04.49mdhcoll: doing it the Debian Way makes sure everything gets done right.
01:05.14metaperlcould someone recommend a DVD burner?
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01:05.21FieldySnutsmetaperl: any plextor
01:05.22mdhEnsignRedshirt: telnet mail.server 25
01:05.28mdhEnsignRedshirt: then speak smtp to it
01:05.33metaperlFieldySnuts: thanks
01:05.34dvsmetaperl: No, not Plextor
01:05.37znxnc mail.server 25
01:05.39w1gg3rmetaperl: k3b
01:05.41mdhmetaperl: I recommend a DVD burner
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01:05.43znxHELO fbi.org
01:05.44metaperlk3b burns
01:05.45dippoand even better is to not use lilo at all!
01:05.50metaperlno, I mean ripper
01:05.51metaperlI'm sorry
01:05.54metaperlDVD ripper
01:05.56initechmetaperl: i just got a benq 1620 it is quite nice and cheap
01:06.01FieldySnutsno idea
01:06.04EnsignRedshirtmdh: But I don't speak smtp.
01:06.05dvsmetaperl: Plextor is suing some open source developers right now
01:06.09Thorrn4hello everyone!! I've recently switched from Win to Debian based Distros (Mepis and then to Ubuntu) and I was wondering; What does Debian (if it does) over the distros that use it? (features)
01:06.25FieldySnutsdvs: if you can find a URL about that for me, I'll gladly stop purchasing their hardware
01:06.30metaperlno, I have a cd/dvd. I just want to rip a dvd I own, then burn it onto another dvd
01:06.33mdhEnsignRedshirt: rfc2821
01:06.44furrywolfsmtp is easy
01:07.18dvsFieldySnuts: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6479.cfm
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01:07.25koollman_EnsignRedshirt: you just need to know 4 commands...
01:07.26FieldySnutsdvs: thanks
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01:07.36dvsFieldySnuts: no prob
01:07.40FieldySnutsgrr slow
01:07.41furrywolfhelo, mail from, rcpt to, data, quit.  :)
01:07.41EnsignRedshirtWhat would be nice is something like "mail -s subject server=smtp.xyz.com < textfile"
01:07.52toresbeHey guys
01:08.04EnsignRedshirtOh, and an email address in there, too, of course.
01:08.12toresbeAnyone here know how to set up Xorg's i810 driver with TV out?
01:08.15metaperlhmm, dvdbackup is part of apt
01:08.57toresbeI'm at debconf, as video crew, struggling to get to grips with this presentations laptop
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01:09.13Thorrn4hello everyone!! I've recently switched from Win to Debian based Distros (Mepis and then to Ubuntu) and I was wondering; What does Debian (if it does) over the distros that use it? (features)
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01:09.49furrywolfThorrn4:  debian works.  debian tests things before releasing it.  :P
01:09.49toresbeThorrn4: Mainly stability. Debian doesn't include a package if they're not absolutely sure it's not broken (into stable)
01:09.50FieldySnutskind of a tough question, this is for 100% debian and we don't really use or talk much about the others
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01:10.09toresbeFieldySnuts: We should discuss the others, IMO. It's a very important part of Debian
01:10.27toresbeDebian IMO is as much an infrastructure for debian-derivatives as a distro unto itself
01:10.39karstentoresbe: ISPO.
01:10.40FieldySnutsthey can be discussed in their appropriate channels, many of us get extremely tired of hearing about them here, when we didn't come here for that
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01:10.46toresbekarsten: ?
01:10.55FieldySnutswhat does ispo mean
01:10.55karstentoresbe: I several people's O.
01:11.05Thorrn4furrywolf and toresbe: recently I've been having problems with Firefox (it randomly crashes...like when I try downloading) Does Debian have this problem?
01:11.06FieldySnutshuh?
01:11.14karstentoresbe: You, me, Ian Murdoch, among others.
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01:11.25toresbekarsten: .....?
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01:11.30furrywolfThorrn4:  firefox sucks.  :)
01:11.36karstentoresbe: IMO => ISPO.
01:11.39Thorrn4furrywolf, what do u use?
01:11.42pipelinekarsten, toresbe : Ian Murdoch theoretically makes a living off of using Debian as a platform for derivatives.  In reality, his company does Redhat support.
01:11.44daedalus_toesbe: In several people's opinions
01:11.44furrywolffirefox.
01:11.44toresbekarsten: Ah!
01:11.49furrywolfthat's how I know it sucks.  :)
01:11.53toresbehah
01:12.10toresbeFirefox sucks, but as far as freedom goes, it sucks the least
01:12.18toresbefree browsers go*
01:12.18karstenpipeline: There's a long and happy tradition of Debianistas doing RH support to pay the bills.
01:12.19toresbeanyway
01:12.27toresbeI can't really get into a discussion on htis
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01:12.34maherpipeline: do you know what proportion of their income comes from redhat support and how much from debian suport?
01:12.38dvsdudeHey all Looking for help with dvdstyler have googled etc but not much luck my problem is with the buttons are not created
01:12.39mdhEnsignRedshirt: muttng -s subj -e smtp_host mail.example.com user@some.addr
01:12.50dvsdudeI know this is debian channel
01:13.06pipelinemaher: As far as I know, their largest contract is Redhat 9 support for a local university.
01:13.27toresbeFieldySnuts: And "What are Debian's advantages?" is about as on-topic as it gets, IMO
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01:13.30w1gg3rHow would I set the interpretive colors in vi (vim) so that it operates like other distro's (grml, knoppix)?
01:13.45karstenw1gg3r: 'syn on'
01:13.46Atulahm, I can't start firefox.... Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server..... cdm authorizationn key matches an existing client! what's going on?
01:13.47toresbein 5 hours, I need to be in the Helsinki Computer Science Dpt.s auditorium with a thinkpad that can output to S-video
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01:14.48Atulahm, I can't start firefox.... Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server..... cdm authorizationn key matches an existing client! what's going on? what's the problem?
01:14.54toresbethe HUT CSD is a short walk from here
01:14.57maherpipeline: well do they do debian support for hp - but i have no idea what the proportions are
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01:15.10karsten!tell Atula about setup x
01:15.25karstenAtula: Can't start FFX, or can't start X at all?
01:15.27Alejandro_18hi Debian community. I'm looking up for someone who has used gnomad2 ??
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01:15.34karstenAtula: Hrm.  As what user?  I've seen that error before.
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01:15.48w1gg3rkarsten: I don't see that option in the man pages, is that a system wide setting?
01:15.52Atulathanks
01:15.55Hixieanyone know what a capital U in the fourth character column in aptitude's display means? i can't find it anywhere in the docs and it didn't used to appear before i upgraded to unstable.
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01:16.03Hixieas in, "piAU lynx"
01:16.07AtulaI think I have to get x-window-system-core
01:16.14AtulaI only got x-window-system
01:16.17karstenw1gg3r: ':help syn on' in vim
01:16.28karsten!tell Alejandro_18 about ask
01:17.00toresbePlease... anyone? Anyone here know about the i810 TV out?
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01:17.19toresbeI've been googling for ages now, trying to get info
01:17.26Atulakarsten: hm. still doesn't work... I have x-window-system-core
01:17.30karstenHixie: aptitude has an interactive help.  Try that.
01:17.30karstenAtula: Do you have X running?  And/or are you running it as root?  I remember seeing this asked, don't recall the fix.
01:17.30Hixieohhhh
01:17.30HixieUntrusted
01:17.30Hixieinteresting
01:17.41quitttnetsplit
01:17.42quitttdamnit
01:17.50dvsdudewhats a good channel for dvd editing info
01:17.51Atulakarsten: I'm running as user...
01:18.00Hixiekarsten: i had, it's not mentioned there. But I just got an error message saying that the packages were Untrusted, so i assume it means that.
01:18.06collmdh: im gonna do it the debian way
01:18.17collmdh: though it anything fails im going to sue you :)
01:18.37collmdh: i have you quoted "<mdh> coll: doing it the Debian Way makes sure everything gets done right." lol ;)
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01:19.55karstenHixie: ...or uninstalled, which would be my guess.  Possibly unconfigured.
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01:20.16Hixiekarsten: nah, that's in the first three columns. It means Untrusted, i assume the docs just haven't been updated yet.
01:20.55karstenHixie: but that *NEVER* happens....
01:20.56Hixieit's happened to me :-)
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01:21.32karstenHixie: I'm also never sarcastic...
01:21.36Hixiehehe
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01:23.50karstenHrm.  #freenode suggests clone wars.
01:23.59karstenI'm in #freenode-overflow ATM.
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01:24.54exobyteI had a hard drive (1 of 6) have DMA read errors that seemed to crash my system about 3 or 4 times.  I pulled the drive, problem's gone.  The manufacter's utility says it's ok.  so..  overheating and ok or bad and the util was wrong
01:24.54raf256hmm Im booted into knoopix... I would like to have /usr of my Debian on hda to be RAID mirrored... can I do it easly?  /usr of debian is on /dev/hda12 ... I have free space on sda driver
01:25.02rbochanI didn't do it!
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01:25.31raf256hello..?
01:25.36raf256fucking splits
01:25.39exobyteraf256: mirrored?
01:25.44karstenraf256: Configure a RAID device.  Put filesystem on it.  Copy /usr to said RAIDed filesystem.
01:25.48raf256exobyte,  yes, RAFID mirror (soft)
01:25.58exobyteraf256: ohh, soft.  heh
01:26.04raf256karsten, cool, what are the exacly commends for that?
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01:26.15raf256for SOFT raid that is
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01:26.21exobyteask google?
01:26.21raf256omFg O_o
01:26.29rbochanow... my log
01:26.37karstenraf256: Depending on how you configure RAID, either SW, LVM, or BIOS.
01:26.43dvsC'mon people.  Stay... or go! ;-)
01:26.45exobytesome people use irc clients that only list 10 people
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01:26.48raf256karsten, I want SOFT raid... I dont use LVM
01:26.50karstenraf256: Partitioning varies somewhat with that...
01:27.01karstendvs: It's netsplits.  Freenode's being attacked, I think.
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01:27.16raf256karsten, is it gnaa or something ;) ?
01:27.17Guerinkarsten: damn terrrrrists
01:27.29raf256what, Freenode troops are attacking iraq O_O ?
01:27.45karstenraf256: ...and the copy would be a 'tar cvf . - | ( cd <destination filesystem>; tar xvf - ); or 'cp -pdr . <new location>'
01:27.53exobyteraf256: is iraq like efnet?
01:27.59karstenraf256: It's the Kimchee Crack Suicide Squad.
01:28.01raf256exobyte, dunno
01:28.18karstenraf256: They leave suitcases with 10 kilos of kimchee on random public transit systems.
01:28.19EnsignRedshirtmdh: Thanks for the tip about muttng. Are there any other programs in sarge that might work similarly?
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01:28.36Guerinkarsten: open
01:28.56raf256omFg, again
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01:29.09raf256so thoes are zombies that are just connecting and quiting the channel?
01:29.13mdhEnsignRedshirt: mailfront maybe... apt-cache search smtp
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01:30.02karstenGuerin: ;-)
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01:30.11mdhEnsignRedshirt: you don't want an MTA, look for anything in that list that is a smtp client or "network utility"
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01:30.42muhooi'm on sid, kernel 2.6.11.12. i mount -o rw,loop file-owned-by-root /mnt/loop, and on that filesystem when mounted, i cannot write certain files on the mounted fs.
01:30.45karstenGuerin: Then there's that Scandinavian food that the US customs service has declared "unfit for human consumption", and which is illegal to eat in confined common spaces...
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01:30.57muhooit tells me the filesystem is mounted read-only, when it is not
01:31.09muhooneither the parent fs nor the loop-mounted fs are read-only.
01:31.18toresbeIT WORKS!! HAHAHAH
01:31.20muhooperms for the file i'm loopmounting are 777
01:31.22Guerinkarsten: yummeh
01:31.25toresbewhy was that so fucking difficult
01:31.34dvstoresbe: You're doing the netsplits!?! ;-(
01:31.48sema4how do I reconfigure defoma ... `dpkg-reconfigure defoma` doesn't do anything anymore
01:31.53toresbedvs: no, I'm prepping a laptop for debconf, and in diiiiire need of sleep
01:31.55karstenmuhoo: Is your root FS read-only?
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01:31.57muhoono
01:32.07karstenmuhoo: Check /proc/mounts.  Could be that /etc/fstab is out of sync
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01:32.37karstenmuhoo: You can safely do 'cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab'.
01:32.39muhoohuh.
01:32.47raf256I have /usr on /dev/hdc12 (identified by label "usr1"). I would like to have it as software RAID mirror. I have free space on /dev/sda ... what to do now?
01:32.50muhoomy root fs is rw
01:32.50karstenmuhoo: Note that's "mtab", *not* "fstab".  My bad prior post.
01:32.57muhoobut... it says here that /mnt/loop is ro!
01:32.59muhoowtf?
01:33.11karstenmuhoo: grep loop /proc/mounts
01:33.13thyhorrorhi people , i have a DVD with 1 session and 16 datatracks of video data . how can i pull this video data off and onto my hard drive . because i can only see the tracks with nero and i can mount the disk ?
01:33.34muhoo/dev/loop0 /mnt/loop iso9660 ro 0 0. damn.
01:33.38thyhorrori can not mount*
01:33.42Guerinmuh
01:33.43castthyhorror: if mplayer can play it mencoder can rip it
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01:33.51toresbewhat's the PAL TV resolution?
01:33.54Guerinan iso9660 filesystem is ALWAYS read-only
01:34.03muhooso... how do i force it to mount rw? mount -o loop,remount?
01:34.03Guerintoresbe: 512x384, i believe
01:34.03raf256726 x 5xx
01:34.17raf256or perhaps what Guerin said, ask google
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01:34.27Guerinmuhoo: you cannot mount an iso9660 filesystem RW
01:34.29muhoothe "mount" command says that /mnt/loop is mounted rw. but /proc/mounts says it is ro.
01:34.30thyhorrori can't mount the DVD to read it. i don't know how nero is seeing the tracks .
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01:34.48castthyhorror: but can mplayer play it...
01:34.54Guerinmuhoo: mount it and copy all the files out to a real filesystem, change what you want to change, and use mkisofs to re-iso it
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01:34.55muhooGuerin: that can't be correct. i've mounted iso9660's before rw, i'm sure of it
01:35.02muhooGuerin: ok. thanks!
01:35.06Guerinmuhoo: i don't believe you have.
01:35.09karstenmuhoo: You don't.  iso9660 isn't writeable.
01:35.13raf256anyone can assist me in doing software raid?
01:35.13toresbe704x288 (PAL) pixels...PAL uses a 720 by 576 resolution...
01:35.21muhoofair enough. i must have done the copy-over trick then. thanks again all
01:35.24toresbe720x576 seems the concensus
01:35.32Guerinraf256: man mdadm can
01:35.41raf256toresbe, rememeber interlace  -half lines
01:35.50Guerinhrm, wonder what 512x384 is then
01:36.00raf256Guerin, can I chat with it and ask to solve problems that can arise?
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01:36.09Guerinraf256: sure.
01:36.13daedalus_far256: Theres a software raid howto out there. Google
01:36.14jetxhey how do i do an or ? as in -eq 0 OR 1000    if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
01:36.20Guerin!order
01:36.21dpkghmm... order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule.
01:36.27Guerinraf256: ^^^^^^^^
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01:36.40liableyay, finally
01:37.00thyhorrorcast: how if it's not mounting and mplayer dvd:// just says "Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd"
01:37.12Guerin!tell jetx about abs guide
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01:37.29AzarDebian rules, I got my zlib update patch 2 days ago, only yesterday the vulnerability was published
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01:38.12castthyhorror: ahh :\. mplayer doesnt need you to be able to mount it, it reads straight from the device [/dev/dvd which should link to your dvd drive]
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01:38.53castthyhorror: so i take it then, you cant even read off the dvd? ala 'head /dev/dvd'?
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01:39.04thyhorrorcast: it sits at "Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)"
01:39.18thyhorrorcast: nero can read the tracks .
01:39.21concept10Anyone have any idea how to increase brightness on laptop screen?  I cant access native tools
01:39.25thyhorrordon't ask me how
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01:39.46Guerinconcept10: might be a bios switch for it.
01:40.07pipelineconcept10: If it's not handled through your BIOS (e.g. with APM) then you'll probably need vendor specific crap.  If it's a dell, you might try i8kutils
01:40.28jetxdid anybody answer my orgate question
01:40.34concept10pipeline, any ideas for HP?
01:40.37Guerin!tell jetx about abs guide
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01:40.44castthyhorror: theres also the added issue of css, but i thought a default install of mplayer handled that
01:40.45jetxah yeah thanks
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01:41.17Master-Yodahello
01:41.22jetxlohell
01:41.25Master-Yodahow do i add a virtual user?
01:41.34Master-Yodado i just add it to /etc/passwd
01:41.34Master-Yodavu2004:x:2004:2004:virtual-user:/home/vu2004:/bin/false
01:41.35Master-Yoda?
01:41.36thyhorrorcast: i can play dvds . this one is from a dvd recorder stand alone . for recording TV
01:41.49concept10I havent disconnected my laptop from my 22 inch CRT in around 6 months, either this screen brightness is too low or Im going blind from the CRT
01:42.18linlinis there a simple way to jsut uninstall everything gui-related from my system?
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01:42.24Master-Yodaanyone
01:42.25Master-Yodaplz
01:42.26Azarconcept10 maybe dying pixels
01:42.28Master-Yodai have a problem
01:42.34stewMaster-Yoda: what do you mean by virtual?
01:42.43EricBladeanyone know of any sites that detail, or personally know of, ways to speed up remote x-clients? i've recently started running programs on the other computers in the house, using my main box as the display, and a lot of them are -extremely- slow, even though everything's at 100mbps
01:42.43Master-Yodai have vhcs control panel
01:42.44Master-Yodalike cpanel
01:42.47Master-Yodait adds virtual users
01:42.55stew!info vhcs
01:42.55Master-Yodai had a problem and need to add them manually
01:42.58thyhorrorcast: mplayer finally gave error : "Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)    Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll"
01:43.03Master-Yodado i just add them to /etc/passwd
01:43.07Master-Yodaliek
01:43.07Master-Yodavu2004:x:2004:2004:virtual-user:/home/vu2004:/bin/false
01:43.08Master-Yoda?
01:43.09stewwhat is vhcs?
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01:43.12concept10Azar, shouldnt be, I havent really used the screen since I bough this laptop, I always keep it closed
01:43.13Master-Yoda#vhcs
01:43.20stewask them
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01:43.26AzarEricBlade maybe unknown people are using your machines without you having idea
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01:43.52GuerinMaster-Yoda: a virtual user doesn't go in /etc/passwd
01:43.53DonLMaster-Yoda, there is a command "adduser"
01:43.54Azarconcept10 you could call your laptop manufacturer and ask what is going on
01:44.04epsilonis there any small linux distribution, bootable from CD, for small system diagnosis and system overview?
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01:44.09Guerinonce a user is in /etc/passwd, it's not virtual any more
01:44.14castthyhorror: oh. thats all i know then ;\
01:44.17Guerinepsilon: hundreds
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01:44.46epsilonGuerin: any specific recommendation? Have no experience in such distros
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01:46.07DonLepsilon, people seem to have good luck with knoppix
01:46.31toresbeBleh, I'm off, thanks for nothing guys
01:46.33toresbe:P
01:46.36toresbenight
01:46.44epsilonDonL: knoppix is fill CD-size, I'm looking something smaller without X
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01:47.03concept10I cant believe this, Im hooked to my sisters wireless network and I cant even goto goggle.  It goes to a pop up instead, her computer must have some spyware on it
01:47.08black_Nightmarewhats the hd space needed for typical (if theres one heh) installion?
01:47.08epsilonI only need information from /proc
01:47.12liableepsilon: http://www.sysresccd.org/
01:47.19DonLhmm. Seem to remember reading about a distro specifically designed for that
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01:47.51Guerinepsilon: lnx-bbc
01:47.57Guerinepsilon: or dsl
01:48.06DonLepsilon, you could try Damned Small Linux. It's small but uses blackbox I think
01:48.16Guerinflux
01:48.28Guerinbut yeah, it's pretty sharp for being under 50MB
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01:48.35mdhepsilon: grml
01:48.39stewepsilon: what are you trying to do, you can use a debian install cd for basic system repair
01:48.42DonLGuerin, is it flux? Can't remember
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01:49.07epsilonstew: tried netinstall CD, hanging at RAM Disc initalising sth
01:49.17epsilonmaybe RAM is below 12MB
01:49.32black_Nightmarehm anyone?
01:49.52mdhblack_Nightmare: there's no such thing as "typical"
01:49.59DonLblack_Nightmare, that could mean anything
01:50.01stewthe system you are working on might not have 12mb of ram?  yeah then most livecds are out
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01:50.29mdhepsilon: most livecd's require no less than 128Mb
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01:50.31concept10anyone know what a sun-rpc portmap is?
01:50.33stewblack_Nightmare: /msg dpkg install guide
01:50.45mdhepsilon: try tomsrtbt if the thing has a floppy drive
01:50.49karstenconcept10: It's used mostly in NFS.
01:50.51DonLblack_Nightmare, I like to have at least 5 or 6 gigs for what I use
01:51.30concept10my firewall says its connected to my system, i never saw that before
01:51.41stew!portmap
01:51.42dpkgportmap is, like, for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS).  To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package.
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01:53.14Hostilehow do I set my timezone after Im already installed?
01:54.00linlinis there a simple way to jsut uninstall everything gui-related from my system?
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01:54.27seldonapt-get remove xfree86-common should come close to it
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01:55.00competenCehey i know this is the debian channel but, how do you edit the ulimit on fedora core2?
01:55.06DonLseldon, can you re-install the gui the same way?
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01:55.43daedalus_Hostile: tzselect or tzconfig
01:55.48black_Nightmarehmm old faq suggests 400mb
01:56.00daedalus_Hostile: Both will get you the same eventual results
01:56.04black_Nightmareguess I'll be fine with the current hd in the to-come-yet powerbook
01:56.41Hostiledaedalus_, k
01:56.44Hostilethanks
01:56.45DonLblack_Nightmare, that's just the basics. You might have trouble adding anything. I like lots of padding. I'm using a 40 gb drive and that's good for me
01:56.46daedalus_Hostile: Errr rather, tzconfig does what you want. tzselect is just a viewr
01:56.52mdhcompetenCe: with an editor
01:56.53daedalus_Hostile; My bad
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01:57.15black_Nightmaredonl..I'm not into multimedias that much aside to website clips and the so :p
01:57.21aukponingru: ping
01:57.24competenCemdh: i know but what files do i edit
01:57.30DonLblack_Nightmare, oh. okay
01:57.46daedalus_auk: pong ;)
01:57.55black_Nightmaredunno whats with people who don't want to go to store to buy videos and the so.....
01:58.04black_Nightmareguess thats slight-idiot people for you hehe
01:58.13seldonDonL: No.
01:58.13FieldySnuts~troll black_Nightmare
01:58.13aptACTION hereby declares black_Nightmare a troll
01:58.16Hostiledaedalus_, ah k...thanks man
01:58.17doleybcompetenCe: type find /etc -name \*ulimit\*
01:58.29mdhcompetenCe: for your own shell you edit its config files, if you want to edit global limits then it could be a pam_limits.conf
01:58.30black_Nightmarefieldy..?
01:58.36seldonYou have to install x-window-system and your DE for that
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01:59.22mdhcompetenCe: you'll have to hunt for it yourself (in /etc, I'd guess) since I haven't run anything from Microsoft for close to a decade
01:59.31mdhMicrosoft, Redhat, whatever ;)
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01:59.41humboltI have a problem with my firewall
01:59.57aukmdh: rofl
02:00.00competenCemdh: its fedora core 2
02:00.00humboltI use private ips for my dmz machines
02:00.04daedalus_humbolt: yes?
02:00.11black_Nightmarefieldy...????
02:00.36humboltnow I want to connect via http from my webserver to a virtual host on the webserver
02:01.04humboltand I can't reach it, possibly, because nat does not work int that case
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02:01.21GuerincompetenCe: why the fuck don't you ask #fedora?
02:01.25black_Nightmareugh someone ask fieldy what the heck he is doing at all .. I'm going to bed already anyway
02:01.26DonLmust go. See ya later, folks
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02:01.31humboltI need to GET the cron.php script every once in a while
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02:01.39n00b-dzCan someone please help me start PCMCIA services?
02:01.53Gnea!tell n00b-dz about ask
02:02.01humboltdaedalus_: do you know if NAT should work in that case either?
02:02.11daedalus_humbolt: Um, Depends upon what your setup is
02:02.16Gnea!tell n00b-dz about pcmcia
02:02.21Gneaoops
02:02.33n00b-dzLOL
02:02.34Gneathat sucked :(
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02:02.55n00b-dzi'm actually using PHLAK, which is Debian based, right?
02:02.58Gnean00b-dz: welp, you got the first message at least
02:03.01FieldySnutssigh
02:03.07Gneathen join #phlak
02:03.13n00b-dzi did.. no one is talking there
02:03.13humbolthard to tell. I am using m0n0wall which is based on freebsd. but freebsd uses the netfilter project as well, doesn't it?
02:03.16Gneadebian based but it is not debian
02:03.17bsimshrm any new breakage in Sid?
02:03.18FieldySnuts!they don't know
02:03.23FieldySnutsnevermind
02:03.26humboltbut I have not way to check the tables
02:03.36n00b-dzi just wanna know how to start pcmcia services
02:03.37Gnean00b-dz: then you'll have to wait, or search google.
02:03.38mdhbsims: yes!
02:03.44Gneawe don't know
02:03.51Gneai don't run phlak
02:03.52Guerin!clue n00b-dz
02:03.54Gneaor ubuntu
02:04.00GneaGuerin: dpkg took a shit
02:04.01FieldySnutsdpkg isn't here
02:04.04mdhn00b-dz: we run Debian here, not Phlak
02:04.06FieldySnutsapt: they don't know?
02:04.08daedalus_Guerin: Gnea killed dpkg
02:04.11FieldySnutsgah
02:04.13Gneayeah
02:04.18pipelinen00b-dz: I suggest you install Debian.
02:04.19bsimsmdh: what broke now <g>
02:04.19mdhn00b-dz: just in case the channel name #debian confused you into thinking we ran phlak
02:04.29pipelinehumbolt: No, FreeBSD does not use netfilter.
02:04.32mdhbsims: aspell
02:04.32FieldySnutshe's one of the ones who won't get it, too thick. utilize ignore
02:04.51Gneawith a nick like n00b-dz, yeah
02:04.56bsimsheh, aspell kdelibs man sid is just going along isn't it <g>
02:05.00pipelinehumbolt: FreeBSD has several options.  ipf, pf, and ipfw among them.  I would consider pf vastly superior to anything available on Linux, actually.
02:05.09daedalus_humbolt: You have to direct your conversation. There's no way I'm going to pick out stuff otherwise
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02:05.24mdhbsims: its transitioning to a new package build scheme, and also the c++ ABI transition means that if you force the install of it, you'll lose most of gnome ;)
02:05.36Guerinone wonders what someone with a nick like n00b-dz is doing using the Professional Hacker's Linux Assault Kit anyways
02:05.46FieldySnutspry a script kiddie
02:06.04Gneausing tds metrocom even
02:06.12bsimsmdh: not that /that/ would be a huge loss <g>
02:06.15mdhbsims: its great to see activity in sid again
02:06.16bsimsmdh: /me runs
02:06.31Gneathe shittiest of the shittiest midwest broadband companies
02:06.33pipelineWell, that's very nice.
02:06.36pipelineInstall Debian and we'll talk.
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02:06.59bsims!smite C++ abi transistion
02:07.06bsimsdamn no bot
02:07.09fantomaswhere TF is dpkg?
02:07.11Gneabsims: yeah wake up heh
02:07.19daedalus_Who to poke about that?
02:07.23Gneafantomas: i killed it. it's gone. deal. :)
02:07.39fantomasGnea: grrr.. hate you :)
02:07.44Gneahahahah
02:07.44daedalus_humbolt: I don't know anything about your firewall
02:07.50bsimsGnea: leah me alone I've been drinking rum and pineapple juice
02:07.53Gneafantomas: well blame the n00b, not me
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02:08.05AzarIn the statement issued this afternoon, Debian warned users against installing packages from the "sarge-proposed-updates" suite, as some Web sites had been advocating as a temporary fix before official updates became available.
02:08.33castwhich*?
02:08.36Azar"Those packages are currently under development and may not work properly," the statement said. "In addition, those packages may not provide users with timely security fixes."
02:08.48Gneafantomas: i was getting the bot to tell him about pcmcia when the bot said "uh, no, too much i'm gonna fall off of irc now"
02:09.33fantomasGnea: probably he dislikes pcmcia
02:09.55fantomasGnea: next time be more careful ;)
02:10.10daedalus_Does dpkg bounce back automagically?
02:10.22stewAzar: is that from dsa or dda?
02:10.29Gneanot sure
02:10.31stewAzar: where is this statement?
02:10.33Gneaprobably not
02:10.54daedalus_~poke dpkg
02:10.54aptbut then who will poke the pokers, daedalus_? dan2?
02:11.06znxheh
02:11.07fantomas~bash
02:11.07aptsh-compatible command language interpreter. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/, or ugly, or another word for a 'do'
02:11.14fantomas~bash.org
02:11.14apti guess bash.org is a place that people submit quotes from IRC that are funny
02:11.23humboltpipeline daedalus_: I just found out that m0n0wall uses ipfilter/ipnat and this, so they say there, does not allow what I need.
02:11.32bsims~smite C++
02:11.35Guerinfuck not with the remaining bots
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02:11.40Guerinlest they abandon us also
02:12.30humboltpipeline daedalus_: However, I did a quick and dirty workaround: appended the domain name to the localhost line in the hosts file
02:13.00daedalus_humbolt: Aight
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02:13.56ArtVandalaeGah. I played around with permissions and now I can't see the files anymore! :(
02:14.00humboltpipeline daedalus_: Do you guys know a good firewalling solution? I mean, I can setup a firewall using iptables directly, but this gets unadministrable the more rules you have.
02:14.03ArtVandalaeOnly as root.
02:14.10humboltI need some interface to assist me!
02:14.18ArtVandalaehumbolt, Firestarter
02:14.24pipelinehumbolt: I like pf, but pf is only on NetBSD, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD.
02:14.50humboltArtVandalae: firestarter seems kind of basic
02:14.56daedalus_humbolt: I keep a big firewall script for iptables, so I can't help you there. Others will have better suggestions
02:15.04Azarstew on ZDNet Australia
02:15.10humboltpipeline: but pf seems to have these NAT limitations
02:15.43daedalus_humbolt: Wyzard was advocating FireHol earlier. I'm not sure of it's capabilities
02:15.43stewAzar: is there a source that is actually from debian? a url? an email?
02:16.00stewAzar: seems like if debian was going to make a statemtn like that it would have been on d-s-a or d-d-a
02:16.05maherstew: debian.org - news
02:16.09Azarhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2005/threads.html
02:16.26pipelinehumbolt: NAT limitations?
02:17.08pipelinehumbolt: In a practical sense, your number of connections is limited by memory.  If the NAT clients make so many connections that they overflow the memory of the firewall, the machine may hang.  So make sure to use a system with at least 32M of RAM.
02:17.13stewoh ok, the one that says that everything is working properly
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02:17.32humboltthe ones I just mentioned, that I cant access a NATed host from within the private network with its public IP
02:18.00humbolt128mb will do
02:18.13humboltpipeline: the ones I just mentioned, that I cant access a NATed host from within the private network with its public IP
02:18.28humboltpipeline: 128mb will do
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02:18.57pipelinehumbolt: Hmm, I think you can actually do that with some creative use of rdr.  I would not, however, recommend it.
02:19.34humboltdaedalus_: I am looking for something that gives the guys I am working for at least the impression they could change something by themselves.
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02:20.03pipelinehumbolt: I've always solved that problem with a local DNS server, as it then does not matter whether you have a good NAT setup or not :P
02:20.09humboltpipeline: they say, there are bounce utils, but they do not want to use them
02:20.56maherhumbolt: last time i needed to set up a firewall for someone i gave them a cable modem router - they seemed happy enough...
02:21.37Azarstew I actually found the statement if you like here it is: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2005/msg00004.html
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02:22.16fantomaslike roots :)
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02:22.38fantomasthey all believe their irssi is bugfree
02:23.01pipelineIt should be
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02:23.13pipelineI mean, christ, IRC is, at heart, freaking telnet
02:23.18pipelineIt's not that complicated
02:23.58paolobHi guys! My testing box keeps giving me (since about a month) the error: "Starting NFS kernel daemon: svcgssdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-kernel-server, action "restart" failed." What the hell is it? Doing # "/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start"  all is OK. Any idea?
02:24.11Kamping_Kaiserhi SDFH_Linux
02:24.12paolobit gives that error on apt-get dist-upgrade
02:24.26SDFH_Linuxhey Kamping_Kaiser
02:24.27SDFH_Linuxhehe
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02:25.42humboltpipeline daedalus_: is it wise to have private IPs in the DMZ in the first place?
02:25.42Harley^howdy :)
02:25.46maherpaolob: do you want to be running nfs
02:26.09paolobmaher: I do have nfs running
02:26.30humboltpipeline daedalus_: NATing will delay the connection and introduces all kinds of other problems as it seems
02:26.59humboltanybody working with firebuilder?
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02:27.36pipelinehumbolt: NAT isn't that slow.  A pentium class machine should only impose a few ms delay, hardly more than going through a simple switch.
02:27.37humboltpipeline daedalus_: any experience with firebuilder?
02:27.52paolobmaher: no, I correct, I haven't nfs running. and giving "/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start" doesn't start it. Why?
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02:28.01JeffHI've setup libnss-mysq and now when I do an 'addgroup' it still doesn't add it to the database.. but adds it to /etc/group instead.. anyone know what's wrong?
02:28.06znxdpkg!
02:28.11humboltpipeline daedalus_: fwbuilder I ment
02:28.25maherpaolob: well if you don't need nfs just remove it - i don't know why its broken offhand
02:28.28humboltpipeline: good
02:28.33Harley^Does someone happen to know where I can download (if there is such a thing), a netinstall.iso for SID BEFORE gcc3.4 ?
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02:28.51maherHarley^: why not install stable
02:29.05maherHarley^: and run unstable in a chroot if you must...
02:29.41Harley^maher - Well, I thought I'd try SID and see how things are.
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02:30.00catis there any other program such as xman?
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02:30.14maherHarley^: things are kind of unstable and will be for some time
02:30.46Harley^I see
02:30.54redaI want to set up an ftp server on my box, apt-cache search gives too many results I can't make a choice, can you help me?
02:31.02castreda: vsftpd
02:31.13humboltpipline: why do you consider the BSD firewall tools to be superior?
02:32.00redaIs there a comparison of ftp servers?
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02:32.09pumpitupboo
02:32.11claudio_cat: I think konqueror can be used to read man pages, and a dwww also works quite well
02:32.28Harley^maher the problem is, things like povray 3.6.1 not compiling, open office not being availble for the AMD64, a login greeter that hangs on an AMD64
02:32.32doleybHarley^: you know that sid still has gcc-2.95 as a package.
02:32.38castpf is a whole whole whole lot nicer to work with then iptables :)
02:32.44doleybHarley^: you can simply change the default compiler
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02:34.12maherHarley^: /usr/bin/gcc is just a symlink to one of the many versions of gcc you can install
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02:34.16claudio_cat: s/a dwww/dwww/
02:34.19_rene_doleyb: aah. no. he can't. at least he SHOULD NOT for C++
02:34.48_rene_and on some archs even gcc 3.3 / 3.4 / 4.0 has incompatibilities
02:34.55_rene_just let the default compiler the default compiler
02:35.04_rene_and use gcc-3.3 directly
02:35.11Harley^maher - true. A newer kernel newer then 2.6.8 perhaps
02:35.23_rene_by setting CC or editing the Makefile or whatever
02:35.57_rene_(analogous for CXX)
02:36.12maherHarley^: unstable + amd64 is going to have a bunch of bugs...
02:36.29Harley^maher - I suppose
02:36.36Azarsorry for the stupid question but I am curious: all those Debian "surogates" like Unbutu are commercial distributions?
02:37.02Harley^maybe I should try repairing what I have
02:37.07_rene_Harley^: and? you want to use amd64. live with it.
02:37.23_rene_Harley^: oh, even Oo2 probably won't have proper amdd64 support :/
02:37.23doleybAzar: no, only rarely are they commercial (like Progeny). ubuntu is not.
02:37.39Azarthank you doleyb
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02:38.01maherAzar: what do you mean by commercial? ubuntu is run by canonical which intends to make money
02:38.06doleyb_rene_: whats so bad about changing default compiler?  how often does a debian person actually compile a c++ thing?
02:38.08Harley^_rene_ yes. I still get Ui in the leftmost column when I do a dpkg -l openoffice\*
02:38.17Azarmaher that is exactly what I was thinking about
02:38.22_rene_doleyb: *if* he does. he gets weird problems
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02:38.36_rene_doleyb: it's a reason why that is a link and not a alternative
02:38.38Harley^hehe I couldn't get the database repaired after the force-architecture
02:38.40_rene_doleyb: please don't do it
02:38.49_rene_just use gcc-3.3 as compiler
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02:39.17_rene_anyway, gotta leave for the airport now (debconf)
02:39.29Harley^What about upgrading the kernel to a newer version, is that also ill-advised ?
02:39.38Azar_rene_ bring some modules from where you go
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02:40.51doleyb_rene_: /etc/alternatives/c++
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02:44.32K_DallasI got my hand on a book that I am loving more and more and was just cheking the back cover, it turned out the author is a Debian developer, John Goerzen :) It is a nice coincidence
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02:48.37Aquarinahi ppl, i'm still in trouble with modprobe.d
02:48.48Aquarinait just don't seem to work!
02:48.53Aquarinaany ideas?
02:48.59pumpituplol wow the details
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02:49.17pumpitupoh crap
02:49.25dankahowdy
02:49.26pumpitup!tell pumpitup about lol
02:49.31hikenboothello guys not sure where to go to ask so I will ask here maybe someone can refer me to where to ask....my new computer makes a horrible buzzing sound from both the monitor and hard drive very high frequency...any ideas?
02:49.36Aquarinai have a file with alias net-pf-10 off inside /etc/modprobe
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02:49.46Aquarinabut ipv6 still loaded
02:50.01dankadoes anyone know how to add usb devices in /dev/ ? is there a kernel module that I need?
02:50.17danka!tell danka about clue
02:50.19raf256how can I force syncinc /dev/sda ?
02:50.44danka!tell danka about usb
02:50.46virgomoonHey, I got one for you guys. I have fetchmail checking about 8 different POP addresses. There is a 2-3 second lag between each. This is on a local LAN. Why the delay? Our Window$ machines and Sylpheed just zip right through them.
02:50.47pumpitupaquarina : update-modules , lsmod
02:51.16Aquarinapumpitup: tha man-page says it's obsolete, I use 2.6 kernel
02:51.37Aquarina(and module-init-tools, not modutils)
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02:52.27rowdyhikenboot... get a new new one
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02:53.57hikenbootrowdy I just assembled it...not an option...its fast expansive and sharp looking...
02:54.00Hostileok another question...how do I make my eth1 use a static ip from boot?
02:55.38mahervirgomoon: are you using fetchmail as a daemon?
02:55.40AquarinaHostile: edit /etc/network/interfaces
02:55.57HostileAquarina, ok figured but how should it be
02:56.27Aquarinaanyone has any more ideas about what's going on with modprobe.d
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02:56.38cubexhello everyone
02:56.49HostileAquarina, whats the prefix?
02:57.00virgomoonmaher: yes
02:57.06AquarinaHostile: prefix?
02:57.11Aquarinaw8
02:57.14mahervirgomoon: it runs with -d 300 by default
02:57.17HostileAquarina, well it doesnt explain how to do it
02:57.35virgomoonmaher: right, this is a delay between each account it's checking, though
02:57.36Aquarinaiface eth0 inet static
02:57.36cubexis there a bug in mailman's package? i just installed mailman and changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to http://%s/mailman, but mailman still uses http://%s/cgi-bin/mailman. can anybody please tell where to look?
02:57.45cubexi've been working on this for the past 3 hours and can't seem to fix it
02:57.52HostileAquarina, netmask?
02:57.54Hostilegateway?
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02:58.44AquarinaHostile: hum... that has got nothing to do with how to configure... you have to know those things from your network setup
02:58.53AquarinaHostile: what ip do you want?
02:58.53cubexplease?
02:59.13HostileAquarina, 192.168.0.151
02:59.38mahervirgomoon:  ok - sorry - i misunderstood - does it matter?
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03:00.05AquarinaHostile: is your network working? (is that computer on it yet?)
03:00.11virgomoonmaher: not really, it's just annoying
03:00.30HostileAquarina, network is fine
03:00.30mahervirgomoon: if you are running it as a daemon how do you even know?
03:00.50Harley^maher - Would I likely encounter problems if I did a re-install of Sarge ?
03:00.54AquarinaHostile: just do ifconfig and get those things from the output
03:00.56virgomoonbecause when I'm expecting an email and wake it up, it seems to take forever to get through the list
03:01.03Harley^on my AMD64
03:01.15HostileAquarina, ....I know what they are...but how do I make it set them at boot..............
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03:01.55AquarinaHostile: place them there (on that file) like so:
03:02.41mahervirgomoon: mine takes a few seconds too - but i've never thought about it - sorry
03:03.05AquarinaHostile: auto eth0
03:03.06Aquarinaiface eth0 inet static
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03:03.09maherHarley^: sarge may have bugs but at least it won't change all the time and you can run testing/unstable i nchroots anyway
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03:03.27virgomoonmaher: I just got used to the quick response of Sylpheed and knew there must be a difference, but can't figure out what it might be
03:03.28Hostilewhats network
03:03.35GuerinAquarina: please stop being a fucking moron
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03:03.46pumpitupouchg
03:03.54AquarinaGuerin: sory for the flood
03:04.03Aquarinawhat's a moron?
03:04.07GuerinHostile: man interfaces
03:04.16Harley^maher - Yes. SO, if I do a re-install, I likely won't see much difference between say, last week and this week ?
03:04.31GuerinHostile: if you can't manage it yourself, use etherconf
03:04.47HostileGuerin, ...im sorry I woulda read the man page if I knew there was one
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03:05.22maherHarley^: sarge is recent enough that you may even be able to downgrade
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03:05.31JeffHwhere can I find a good howto on setting up nss-mysql?
03:05.37Harley^Good enough :)
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03:05.48Harley^I'll reinstall and stick with Sarge
03:05.57Aquarinai wold also like to read something about module-init-tools... anyone knows of a good tutorial?
03:05.58Harley^maher - thanks
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03:08.36EnsignRedshirtHello, world.
03:09.02EnsignRedshirtHere's a quickie: When and where are $USER and $HOSTNAME set?
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03:10.45maherEnsignRedshirt: $HOSTNAME is not set for me, but lives in /etc/hostname
03:10.58claudio_EnsignRedshirt: grep USER /etc/profile
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03:11.46EnsignRedshirtclaudio_: USER is not in /etc/profile.
03:12.17claudio_EnsignRedshirt: mine sets USER=`id -un`
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03:12.50claudio_EnsignRedshirt: but also I'm an idiot, logged on the wrong machine
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03:16.43goodshithi, anyone know how to cp or mv a directory and keep its user setting and group setting:? anyone know w way to cp or mv to keep all the users and group setting in tact?? thanks..
03:16.52danka!date
03:16.53dpkgThe current date is Sat Jul  9 03:16:52 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX)
03:16.53claudio_EnsignRedshirt: very interesting question, I can't see where it is set :\
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03:19.00mahergoodshit: cp -a? you need to be able to write all the group and users settings....
03:20.28goodshityes
03:20.30goodshitcp -a?
03:20.36goodshitisn't it cp -p
03:21.05mahergoodshit: a == dpR
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03:21.27goodshitwhat is a?
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03:22.06mahergoodshit: man cp
03:22.25Hostilealsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
03:22.27Hostilefix?
03:22.38JeffHthere's not much info out there on how to configure nss-mysql is there?
03:22.55Atulain fedora core 3, I only had to create a 'bin' folder to get all my scripts working like programs.... how do I get the same deal with debian?
03:23.05goodshitits cp -Rp
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03:23.33mahergoodshit: not on my version of cp...
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03:23.52goodshitwtf?
03:23.55goodshiti'm using freebsd
03:23.56maherAtula: make them executable? chmod a+x foo
03:23.59goodshitwhat are you using
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03:24.11mahergoodshit: well they have a different version of cp then
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03:24.23goodshitmaher i see thx
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03:24.37Atulamaher,  duh! I'm talking about putting in a "bin" folder so I don't have to type "./name" all the time!
03:25.18maherAtula: thats a path thing
03:25.26Atulasure is...
03:25.38AtulaI tried to figure things out with .bashrc
03:25.47Atulabut there's also something call .bash_profile...
03:25.49Atulaoy
03:25.52kadigibox3.1r0 is sarge right?
03:26.00Atulawhere do I edit it?
03:26.07claudio_EnsignRedshirt: I think login(1) sets the variables
03:26.20Atulaand how do I make program autostart, like gkrellm for instance?
03:26.24inukadigibox, yes
03:27.06tracywhat's sarge?
03:27.16Atuladebian new installer
03:27.26Atulalike old woody... I guess
03:27.31Atulabut woody is old...
03:27.38Atulawe can no longer get wood from woody
03:28.07inutracy, the name of the current stable release of debian
03:28.09Atulasarge installs better... I guess.... netCD kicks ass.... before.... I could never get woody to work
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03:28.24Hostilehmm
03:28.25EnsignRedshirtclaudio_: Thanks for investigating.  Actually, I think your example of USER=`id -un` helped me fix my problem.  I won't bore you with why.
03:28.28Hostilehow do I install ncurses
03:28.35Hostileapt-get install ncurses doesnt work
03:28.40tracythen,woody?
03:28.52dystopianI probably took a shortcut on this but gkrellm is auto started on my machine from desktop preferences;advanced;sessions
03:29.18Atulafluxbox!
03:29.23tracyhow to install a debian system
03:29.25Atulahow do I make things auto start in fluxbox?
03:29.38Atulatracy: easy way is to get the netinstall CD...
03:29.40HostileAtula, ~/.fluxbox/startup
03:29.41GuerinHostile: libncurses5[-dev]
03:29.44Atulajust pops in.... and make it work
03:29.48AtulaHostile, thanks
03:29.48dystopianaww crap... doh....
03:29.49HostileGuerin, ty
03:29.50Guerin!tell hostile about search
03:30.05HostileGuerin, ty also
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03:30.19Hostilesorry knew to debian...just came from arch today
03:30.22Hostilemy apologies
03:31.03nvzah finally, beat that damn game
03:31.14AtulaHostile, just make a startup file... and then enter in commands (like 'gkrellm &')?
03:31.23tracyno,i download all the install iso files,i want to install from disk
03:31.30HostileAtula, its not there?
03:31.33dystopianwhat game?
03:31.38AtulaHostile, nope
03:31.38nvzGTA-SA
03:31.45GuerinAtula: just use .xsession or.xinitrc like a sane person?
03:31.45dystopianah. long game
03:31.46HostileAtula, what desktop manager u using
03:31.52Atulafluxbox only
03:31.55Hostileno
03:31.59Hostilesession manager
03:32.03nvzits not beat really, but the credits are rolling.. there is still plenty to do I am sure
03:32.25dystopianoh yeah. all the side missions and little errand tasks
03:33.03nvzI've beat a lot of those. I am at probably 70% by now
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03:33.17nvzwaiting to see if anything interesting happens after the credits
03:33.20Atulathere's a file call fluxbox.desktop, is that it?
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03:33.31dystopianthe last 30% of those games is kinda boring to me.
03:33.35Atulafreak it.... lemme go google some more
03:33.39HostileAtula, no...you need to make your session manager
03:33.48Hostileuse startfluxbox
03:33.48nvzdystopian: the end is the only reason I played :P
03:33.50Hostileinstead of fluxbox
03:34.05Atula?
03:34.12HostileAtula, you use kdm or gdm or something
03:34.19Atulaxdm?
03:34.32nvzdystopian: all that running around isnt what I want.. I want to just want to freely roam the unlocked cities and buy lots of weapons and kill people :P
03:34.40AtulaI only got x-window-system... and then installed fluxbox... that's all for xwindows
03:34.43dystopianheh
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03:34.57kazimhi
03:35.19dystopianthat's a streamlined setup atula
03:35.20HostileAtula, xdm
03:35.21Hostileok
03:35.28HostileAtula, cat .Xsession
03:35.40kazimI have an 1200A adaptec raid card 2 bus and i have read that four idsque on 2 bus isn't good and that adaptec isn't very well support by debian :/ anyone have info ?
03:35.43Hostile~/.Xsession
03:35.43apt~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it).
03:35.57AtulaHostile, don't have it!
03:36.06HostileAtula, ~/.xsession?
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03:36.09Guerinmake it!
03:36.12Guerinjesus
03:36.18Atulait's not there!!! I will make it
03:36.21HostileGuerin, lol
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03:36.23Guerinunix 101: if a config file doesn't exist, create it!
03:36.26Atulabut what to put in there?
03:36.27HostileAtula, put startfluxbox in it
03:36.32Atulaoh
03:36.33Atulaokay
03:36.37Hostilethen restart x
03:36.42GuerinAtula: exec /usr/bin/fluxbox
03:36.46Hostileno
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03:36.52Hostileexec /usr/bin/startfluxbox
03:36.54dystopianfluxbox is nothing but config file madness until it is to your liking...
03:36.56nvzI don't know but either I am sleepwalking, or someone is beating me up in my sleep.. seems like every day lately I have a new injury I dont recall how I got it
03:37.05Hostileyeah
03:37.08HostileI like xfce4
03:37.23Guerinevilwm!
03:37.41Atulafluxbox starts automatically already
03:37.49AtulaI just want fluxbox to start a few programs
03:37.50HostileAtula, correct
03:37.53Hostilebut
03:37.55Hostilefirst
03:37.55Atulalike gkrellm
03:38.07Hostileyou need to use startfluxbox instead of fluxbox...so it runs the script
03:38.15GuerinAtula: so put gkrellm & on the line above startfluxbox
03:38.27HostileGuerin, no see fluxbox has its own startup script
03:38.34GuerinAtula: man xsession
03:38.39Atulaum.... LOL
03:38.40Hostileif you use startfluxbox
03:38.56GuerinHostile: i can tell you categorically that putting gkrellm & in your xsession above startfluxbox will work
03:39.05Hostilecorrect
03:39.13Hostilebut fluxbox has its own startup script
03:39.16Guerinso?
03:39.17inuso?
03:39.22kazimsarge not longer have ATA RAID by default ?
03:39.23Guerinwhy use it?
03:39.27Hostilewhy not
03:39.28Hostile?
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03:39.38Guerinit's not portable, whereas xsession works with any arbitrary wm you care to use
03:39.43Guerinthat's why not
03:39.43dystopianmake your own startup script
03:39.46Hostileyea
03:39.47Hostiletrue
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03:42.31dystopianmaybe gnome isn't that leet but the wife can deal with it so... and she is used to it now. and yeah, she is awesome, but still a typical "luser". things need to be dead simple. I could get another pc but what just so i can run another more leet window manager? that would be corny.
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03:43.27Guerindystopian: was that incoherence brought on by anything in particular?
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03:43.47AtulaHostile, works like a charm. thanks
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03:44.08dystopianI don't think so. heheheh, just typing out loud I guess...
03:44.23AtulaI guess I can also configure the /usr/bin/startfluxbox file?
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03:44.54Atulanext question: how do I make it so that my "bin" folder in home dir works?
03:45.00HostileAtula, np
03:45.22nvzAtula: edit ~/.bash_profile
03:45.29Atulatried that...
03:45.34nvzAtula: try again
03:45.39nvzits in there commented out
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03:45.43Atuladoing it
03:46.18Atulawhat's /etc/debian_chroot?
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03:46.24Atulais that the linker to your root dir?
03:46.27Atulahome dir?
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03:47.29Atulaweird I fixed .bash_profile... do I have to restart to get it to work?
03:47.34Anton74Does anyone know what to use to generate .db files for pam, or what version/type of .db files it uses?
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03:49.26Anton74Atula: you'd have to logout/login (or re-login on top of existing shell)
03:49.45Atulamaybe that's why
03:49.55Atulathanks Anton74
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03:50.06Anton74np
03:50.11vchrizz_hi
03:51.17Oslikhi
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03:52.29vchrizz_i want to limit the speed of my nic, how do i do that? what do i need to do this?
03:52.38Anton74wow it's quiet in here for 700+ users...
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03:53.39vchrizz_Anton74: ya, right ;)
03:53.52Anton74vchrizz_: do you mean 10mpbs rather than 100mpbs, or actual rate limiting?
03:53.54Anton74what?
03:54.09Anton74there's 707 people in here apparently
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03:54.23mahervchrizz_: try wondershaper or shaper
03:54.28dystopianyeah... 707 folks
03:54.52dystopianI'm guessing most are afk
03:54.53HirukoHi, I am having trouble getting sound to work on my laptop. I tried alsa, but didn't understand exactly how to set it up.
03:55.02tictacvchrizz_: tc works well. :)
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03:55.29[timmeh]how can i update my locate database?
03:55.34tictacAnton74: idling is hip these days.
03:55.41sgeigerbot[timmeh]: sudo updatedb
03:55.42Anton74[timmeh]: updatedb
03:55.45[timmeh]thanks
03:55.53Anton74tictac: hehe
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03:56.16Guerinwheee
03:56.22Hirukoanyone have an idea on the sound issue?
03:56.24sgeigerbotI would appreciate someone reminding me of the vi trick that lets you see which key codes get sent when certain keys are pressed.
03:56.25dystopianthere is even an idle rpg
03:56.29nvzdamn I wish I had some money to invest.. there are 10 pages or so in the paper of listings for properties up for sale because of unpaid taxes.. I figure if played right some may be gotten for 1/10th their value
03:56.36vchrizz_well, ive got a traffic limit of 20gb, and a small network for my family... i dont want to reach the limit, so im thinking of some sort of shaper which is able to set the speed for different time .. so e.g. from 9pm till 7am there shouldnt be a speed limit
03:56.44Guerinmy wife moved the fridge, water spilt out of it and blew the breaker
03:57.13Guerinfridges have magic smoke in them too, and it's unwise at best to let it out
03:57.30nvzor to move it without asking for help :P
03:57.34Guerinnaw
03:57.37vchrizz_but from 7am till 9pm it should "count" till about 500mb and then set the max speed to ~13kb/s
03:57.37simonrvnunwise to let the magic smoke out of anything, unless that's what you wanna do =)
03:57.50Hirukono ideas?
03:57.50Guerinwasn't that, it's just a shitty fridge which has been on the blink for ages
03:58.00Gueringood thing we're getting another in in about an hour
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03:58.05sgeigerbotPerhaps a better question:  Would there be a way to echo some string of characters that would mimic the pressing of the ESC key?
03:58.09nvzI let the magic smoke out of my volvo.. sucks.. I liked that car
03:58.16Guerinoh
03:58.21Guerincars have lots of magic smoke in
03:58.33nvzI didnt even know it ran on magic smoke until it came out
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03:59.06dystopianpoor death fumes of magic smoke...
03:59.18Anton74mmm... does anyone at all know if pam uses Berkeley database format 3 or 4?
03:59.24nvzyeah they were only death fumes because I was too poor to fix it anymore
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03:59.46simonrvnAnton74: ldd /path/to/some/pam/binary
03:59.52nvzshe was still young.. had a lot of life left in her.. just needed the smoke put back
04:00.20sabot4gehail all
04:00.36dystopianheya sabot4ge
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04:00.54sabot4gedystopian, hi there!
04:01.27dystopianso what's up?
04:01.37simonrvnthe sky
04:01.45nvzjust the gasket kit to hold the smoke in would have been like $500
04:02.00Anton74simonrvn: how should I interpret that ldd output?
04:02.01simonrvnick. which is why i never got into cars...
04:02.12dystopianthat's sorta expensive for a gasket
04:02.12nvzthen you have to find magic smoke to refill it
04:02.20nvzits a gasket kit
04:02.22simonrvnread it.
04:02.31Guerinwell
04:02.32simonrvnsec
04:02.34Guerinit is a volvo
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04:02.47nvztwo valve covers, 6 cylnder O rings, timing chain gasket, two head gaskets...
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04:02.51nvzyou know the whole thing
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04:03.12Anton74simonrvn: I'm looking at it, but can't really see any db info in there
04:03.14simonrvnldd /lib/security/pam_userdb.so
04:03.14simonrvn<PROTECTED>
04:03.20simonrvnthat says version 3
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04:03.29raf256Im back \o/
04:03.36raf256what should be the chmod and chown of /tmp ?
04:03.41simonrvn1777
04:03.46simonrvnroot:
04:03.56nvzand yeah, its a volvo.. a 6inch piece of plastic chrome trim is like $30 used
04:03.58raf256and group?
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04:04.23dystopiannvz, yeah. that's true.
04:04.25Anton74simonrvn: ah... brilliant, thanks
04:04.31raf256simonrvn: and group..?
04:04.34nvzI know, I bought all kinds of parts for it
04:04.47simonrvngroup too_hard_to_figure_out
04:04.49raf256can someone paste ls -l / | grep tmp   for me?
04:04.57simonrvnthink a bit
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04:05.14raf256simonrvn: do I lok like a freaking magic glass ball?
04:05.15Anton74drwxrwxrwt  4 root root 4096 2005-07-08 18:58 /tmp/
04:05.17rixthraf256: drwxrwxrwt   12 root  root   8192 2005-07-09 16:04 tmp
04:05.22raf256!beer Anton74
04:05.30Anton74mmmgood
04:05.45simonrvnno, you look like a bunch of pixels
04:05.45mCoreyanyone have a pointer on how one might go about removing all but the debian-base packages?
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04:05.56nvzthe last year I drove it, I was in the middle of tuning it up.. cause it was turning 16.. and I wanted to restore it a bit at a time.. put in a new water pump, starter, plugs, wires.. thats like $600 there not including fluids and stuff. then the damn head gaskets went on me :(
04:06.14Guerinraf256: you sound like someone who couldn't wipe his own arse if all he had was the instructions
04:06.15raf256....
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04:06.26mCoreyGuerin!
04:06.28simonrvni would have said if there was anything special to it other than 1777 perms
04:06.30GuerinmCorey: you could awk it up
04:06.33raf256Guerin: dont be a smart ass again, I have same rights and it still dont work
04:06.45Guerinraf256: then you broke something, surprisingly.
04:06.52mCoreyGuerin: what would this awking entail, aside from me reading awk's manpage for a while?
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04:07.18bujinfirefox
04:07.18bujinXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
04:07.18bujinXlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!
04:07.18bujin(firefox-bin:5015): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
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04:07.20raf256Guerin: thanks for the brilliant help
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04:07.24Hirukois it possible to update to a precomiled kernel like from 2.4 to 2.6?
04:07.25deadcatraf256: stop being a bitch and make it work
04:07.26dystopianofftopic: just saw a commercial for "The Bad News Bears" w/ Billy Bob Thornton. WHat is the deal with the endless remakes. Seems like everything is a sequel or remake anymore. Although King Kong looks to own...
04:07.43GuerinmCorey: you'd grab a list of all the packages in base, then remove every package on your box apart from those ones
04:07.48mCoreydystopian: welcome to the world and finally opening your eyes.  they've been doing it forever
04:07.50GuerinmCorey: but it'd be easier to just reinstall
04:07.52raf256deadcat: antother smar ass eh?
04:08.06mCoreyGuerin: that was my thought on the matter
04:08.10mCoreythank you
04:08.20deadcatraf256: i guess
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04:08.41nvzI always say, every man likes a piece of ass, but no man likes a smart ass
04:08.58Guerinwhat about smar ass?
04:09.14nvzyeah, well..
04:09.20nvz... who knows *shrug*
04:09.56HirukoHow do I upgrade the kernel?
04:10.08deadcatHiruko: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6
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04:10.29nvzI need to get to sleep.. got a job starting monday cant get all off schedule again
04:10.42deadcatnvz: congrad (=
04:10.57dystopianw00t!
04:11.25nvz(=  got a job as a fart smeller, entry level position at a new fed ex place that just opened up in town
04:11.40simonrvnoh come on. i wasn't being a smartass, i was being lazy; i wrote a shortcut, 'root:' and s/he didn't notice it... FFS... don't people read? maybe i wasn't clear... but WTF the attitude...
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04:12.01dystopiancool. driver nvz?
04:12.03bujinhi
04:12.08bujinXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
04:12.10deadcatsimonrvn: because hes a moron.. check under moron #58
04:12.15bujinwhen i run firefox
04:12.19Gneaheh
04:12.26Gneabujin: as root or user?
04:12.33bujinuser
04:12.34nvzthey dont have drivers working out of this place. we sort packages and wrap them into pallets and hand them off to the post office.
04:12.42Gneasame user that startx?
04:12.48deadcatbujin: run firefox as the same user you login
04:12.49nvzI am sure if I work there awhile I could get a driver job with another fed ex branch
04:12.58bujinnaw
04:13.03bujinoks
04:13.04dystopiandrivers work hard
04:13.17simonrvnblah
04:13.26dystopianbleeorg
04:13.31Gneadystopian: so do pizza drivers
04:13.45dystopianoh man yeah. thankless stuff
04:13.54Gneabujin: no private messages please
04:14.05bujinok
04:14.09Gneajust ask here
04:14.15JeffHI just installed and configured libnss-mysql and I can query the database no problem.  However, when I try to use 'addgroup' it adds it to the /etc/group file instead of the database.  How do I tell it to add it to the database?
04:14.15Gneayou'll get better help that way
04:14.35dystopianbbl
04:14.41bujinok how can i do if i wanna stop root to start x
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04:14.46KingOfParachutezhello.. i want to install that graphics library called GD on a debian server via SSH.. anyone know how to do that?
04:14.54Guerinbujin: you can't stop root doing anything
04:14.57deadcatbujin: dont startx as root
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04:15.02nvzin this place we probably have a small office staff of I figure 5 people and then the rest of the work consists of package sorters and forklift operators
04:15.10bujindeadcat how can i do it
04:15.19Guerinbujin: you can't stop root doing anything
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04:15.26Guerinbujin: it's categorically impossible
04:15.26Gneabujin: don't login as root - login as user and startx, or install something like gdm or entrance to get a graphical login
04:15.32deadcatbujin: you just dont do it. you control the keyboard. what are you stupid?
04:15.36simonrvngot an ati agp card, it's a rage II. dunno if it's worth it. gonna check the specs on it once i build a kernel for it, and other stuff i got (p3 667 :)
04:15.47nvzI barely got interviewed before they told me to start work on monday.. this new Industrial Park manager, I havent even met yet, must have made a damn good reference.
04:15.54bujinyeah i have already xdm installed
04:15.59GuerinKingOfParachutez: man apt-get
04:16.02Gneaok
04:16.06bujinbut i think its always running as root
04:16.09Gneabujin: is that what you're using to login with?
04:16.18Guerinbujin: *dm has to run as root.
04:16.20deadcatbujin: installed but just dont login as root. how hard is that to under stand.
04:16.21Gneawell yeah, but then it switches - try gdm
04:16.29souryou guys are wimps, windows users have more guts running things as administrator by default
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04:16.34bujinok
04:16.39sour<- does everything as root
04:16.42deadcatsour: then use windows.
04:16.48simonrvnsour: not wise
04:16.53Guerinsour: ah, cool, i need another open relay.
04:17.00Gneasour: even scrub your father's nutsac?
04:17.10sourGnea leave that up to you
04:17.12deadcathahahaha he need root access for that
04:17.16GneaROFL
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04:17.31goodshttanyone know if vbulletin store all their uplaoded images into the DATABASE? or to the /dirctory? the attchemtn message.s. anyone know.. thanks
04:17.48sourdeadcat i've been using linux for the last 6-7 years
04:17.56Gnea!troll goodshtt
04:18.04goodshttI"M NOT
04:18.05deadcatsour: so.
04:18.26Gneasure you are, this channel has nothing to do with vbulletin
04:18.27Gnea!rules
04:18.28dpkgfrom memory, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
04:18.37souri use windows/mac as desktop, and about 100 putty/terminal sessions
04:18.45Gneahrm
04:18.55Gnea!ask
04:18.55dpkgIf you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)!  Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person.  Thanks!
04:19.06deadcatsour: your stupid then. 10 puttys. just use a fucking screen(1)
04:19.19Gneahahahahha
04:19.35sourdeadcat i can, i chose not to
04:19.37deadcatGnea: i am right right? and i havent been using linux for 6-7 years
04:19.43Gneadeadcat: how about screen on all 100
04:19.52souryeh
04:20.01Gneadeadcat: naw man, you can't run screen within screen very well
04:20.27deadcatGnea: you can. just not fun
04:20.37Gneaand not very functional
04:20.55deadcatGnea: you just have to have a good caption line or a good hardstatus line
04:20.57sourbecides i have access to bulk machines
04:21.03souri don't want to sit there flicking through screens
04:21.11sourtrying to find out which one is ssh'ed into which machine
04:21.22Gneahahaha
04:21.24Gneayeah
04:21.26Gneawhat a pita
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04:21.32deadcatsour: guess you dont know spliting? and with 10 puttys you still have to alt+tab the mother fuckers
04:21.38souranyway thanks for voicing your opinion on my working habits... i'll really take it into consideration.
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04:21.47sourdeadcat so whats the difference?
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04:21.52souri can split
04:21.59Gneasour: it's cool, i do the same
04:22.00sourbut why
04:22.07Gnea^a s
04:22.12Gnea^a tab
04:22.13Gnea:)
04:22.29deadcatGnea: map them to vi keys. (=
04:22.38Gneadeadcat: evil :)
04:23.50KingOfParachutezhow to create directories? mkdir?
04:23.57Gneayeah
04:24.02KingOfParachutezty
04:24.13KingOfParachutez<< complete newb at linux stuff XD
04:24.18Gneamkdir -p /make/this/sub/dir/and/all/the/dirs/you/see/here/at/once
04:24.42KingOfParachutezrm -rf XD
04:24.57Gneadude
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04:25.12Gneathere are some great websites you should check out then
04:25.51GneaKingOfParachutez: www.tldp.org  <-- check out the categories there, LOTS of tips
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04:26.48KingOfParachutezhow to start *.rpm?
04:27.07deadcatKingOfParachutez: start?
04:27.19Gneahttp://www.justlinux.com/
04:27.26KingOfParachutezi dunno.. i suppose its like *.exe on windows ;)
04:27.31GneaKingOfParachutez: wait, you're using debian right?
04:27.34KingOfParachutezyes
04:27.37Gneaok
04:27.40deadcathahah
04:27.46Gneano, it's not an .exe
04:27.46deadcatKingOfParachutez: you double click them
04:27.46KingOfParachutezremotely
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04:27.52KingOfParachutezi cannot
04:27.56KingOfParachutezits thr SSH
04:27.57deadcatKingOfParachutez: make it
04:28.12KingOfParachutezmake?
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04:28.12Gneahrm
04:28.17bujini still have the problem
04:28.17deadcatKingOfParachutez: type the command 2 times (double it)
04:28.30bujini signed up with an user
04:28.40bujinand i try running firefox
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04:28.53claudio_KingOfParachutez: why do you want to install an rpm package?
04:28.58bujinXlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!
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04:29.17KingOfParachutezi need GD graphics library for PNG/JPG on the server
04:29.22bujinXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
04:29.22pablumso I saw this billboard:  on the left was a guy in a baseball cap above the words "don't settle for 'good enough'"
04:29.43pablumon the right was an oversized aluminum can of Coors (tm)
04:29.52Jeebusdoes anyone know a good way to get a simple summary of what hardware I have on my debian system?
04:30.08deadcatJeebus: lspci? dmesg?
04:30.26Jeebushmmm... lemme give those a try
04:30.29KingOfParachutezso how to start/unpack/install/w/e *.rpm?
04:30.40deadcatKingOfParachutez: install rpm
04:30.49claudio_KingOfParachutez: chances are that there's a native debian package to do that
04:31.04KingOfParachutezhm
04:31.06KingOfParachutezwhere?
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04:31.09Gnea!newbie-guide
04:31.10dpkgfrom memory, newbie-guide is you've decided to do away with windows or are pondering it and want to use Linux.. good for you!  But this isn't windows, you can't just install it and be up and running unless it's a livecd, that isn't even finished yet.. you need to RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) which are located at http://www.justlinux.com and http://www.tldp.org, also see http://www.debian.org and http://www.google.com chances are they know the ...
04:31.13TsugaruI think it's rpm -i
04:31.16deadcatKingOfParachutez: apt-get it.
04:31.38Tsugaruof course, most people use yum if they have to deal with rpms
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04:31.44KingOfParachutezi dl'ed it via wget
04:31.46deadcatKingOfParachutez: why are you using debian if you dont use apt-get and use .rpm?
04:31.54GneaTsugaru: funk dat, alien
04:32.00claudio_KingOfParachutez: apt-cache search libgd-
04:32.06n_I'm trying to download the package kernel-source-nonfree-2.6.11 for the tg3 driver that was moved there, but it's not found in the archive. I'm downloading non-free with apt, nonetheless, and everything I've read says that it should be there -- can anyone explain this?
04:32.09claudio_KingOfParachutez: what is the name of the rpm package?
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04:32.15frank_bhi all
04:32.25KingOfParachutezi used apt-get but it failed to update
04:32.27Jeebusdeadcat: is there anything less platform-dependent? my linux box is an SGI Indy, it doesn't have a PCI bus, and dmesg doesn't give too much useful info
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04:32.35deadcatKingOfParachutez: fix it
04:32.51deadcatJeebus: use usb hardware..
04:32.58Gnean_: weird, yeah it doesn't exist. dunno who told you it did, but they're wrong...
04:32.59KingOfParachutezftp://rpmfind.net/linux/PLD/current/dists/ra/updates/security/i686/php-gd-4.2.3-10.i686.rpm
04:33.10Gnean_: but...
04:33.16n_Gnea: well, it's in official debian postings...
04:33.25frank_bjust tried debian and it doesn't function well... :\ doesn't have a driver for my graphic card and there's no sound... anyone here knows how can someone keep checking out to see if it's hardware is already supported?
04:33.30deadcatKingOfParachutez: why not just apt-get install php4-gd?
04:33.35Jeebusdeadcat: what? it doesn't have anything remotely resembling USB support
04:33.38Gnean_: url?
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04:33.51KingOfParachutezUnable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.
04:33.52Guerinwtf
04:33.52claudio_KingOfParachutez: php4-gd should do what you want
04:33.55deadcatJeebus: are you smoking anything?
04:33.56Guerinjust got the new fridge
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04:34.06Guerinit's big enough for ME to fit in
04:34.15Jeebusdeadcat: not currently. Do you know how to use USB hardware with an SGI Indy?
04:34.19deadcatKingOfParachutez: fix your sources.list or get a diff repo
04:34.28deadcatJeebus: no
04:34.43Jeebusdeadcat: then what are you talking about?
04:34.49KingOfParachutezhow to fix sources list?
04:34.52deadcatJeebus: i dont know. i make up shits
04:34.57deadcatKingOfParachutez: edit the file
04:35.01Gnea!tell KingOfParachutez about newbie-guide
04:35.02Guerinwell, at least he's honest
04:35.09n_Gnea: heh, of course I can't find them now... one sec
04:35.12deadcat!tell KingOfParachutez about ubuntu
04:35.20Gnean_: np :)
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04:35.43n_Gnea: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/03/msg00412.html
04:35.54KingOfParachutez.oO(do i have to completely know about debian if i just want to install an extension?)
04:36.15KingOfParachutezi use ssh .. linux .. debian the first time
04:36.33deadcatKingOfParachutez: i gave you the fucking command
04:36.40nornagonI've got alsa compiled into the kernel. I compiled dummy sequencer support because I thought it might be useful (eyeroll), and now it sees my card as well as the dummy sequencer, but it seems to prefer the dummy over the real card. How to tell it to use the real card?
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04:36.57frank_bhi all. I've just tried debian sarge and it doesn't function well on my computer... :\ the installer doesn't have a driver for my graphic card and there's no sound... anyone here knows how can someone keep checking out to see if it's hardware is already supported?
04:37.17claudio_KingOfParachutez: apt-get update; apt-get install php4-gd is supposed to work if you have correctly configured /etc/apt/sources.list
04:37.41KingOfParachutezits not my server so i configured nothing ;)
04:37.58deadcatKingOfParachutez: how do we know you are using debian anyway
04:38.11KingOfParachutezhttp header told me ;)
04:38.14Gnean_: ah ok - see what happened is the guy made his own site for it, http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-source-2.6.11/ which is where they're at, that's not part of any main/contrib/non-free branch - it's completely 3rd party
04:38.22deadcatKingOfParachutez: i dont believe you
04:38.36KingOfParachutezviewhead.exe on windows
04:38.42n_Gnea: ohh... so then the tg3 driver etc. were just stripped entirely from the kernel source?
04:39.00Gneafrank_b: when you installed, did you just hit enter at the boot: prompt or did you choose a 2.6 kernel option?
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04:39.18claudio_KingOfParachutez: check if you have a line similar to deb http://something in /etc/apt/sources.list
04:39.58Gnean_: not entirely, only parts of them, due to licensing issues, but you could download the .deb files from there or try tossing that url in your sources.list and see what an update does
04:40.10KingOfParachutezdeb ftp://ftp.leo.org/debian/ stable main *** deb-src ftp://ftp.leo.org/debian/ stable main *** deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
04:40.19n_Gnea: cool. thanks. Reading it again, it makes sense now =)
04:40.21KingOfParachutezthat was it
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04:40.35KingOfParachutezlooks old ;)
04:40.47Gnean_ :)
04:40.54deadcatKingOfParachutez: delete that file and run apt-setup, select http and pick a mirror
04:40.57nornagonI've got alsa compiled into the kernel. I compiled dummy sequencer support because I thought it might be useful (eyeroll), and now it sees my card as well as the dummy sequencer, but it seems to prefer the dummy over the real card. How to tell it to use the real card?
04:41.25frank_bGnea: I just hit enter at the boot: prompt... didn't know I can install the 2.6 kernel...
04:41.49Gneanornagon: depends what sound app you're using - something like xmms will show you a list of the available cards, such as hw:0,0 and hw:0,1
04:41.51deadcatdance rummy
04:41.58mdhI fought aptitude and... I won!  I fought aptitude and... I won!
04:42.02frank_bGnea: will that probably solve the problem? (installing the 2.6 kernel?)
04:42.15KingOfParachutezso doing rm /etc/apt/sources.list
04:42.22KingOfParachutezare the parameters correct?
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04:42.26nornagonGnea: I'm using zsnes...
04:42.29nornagonIt worked before when alsa was a module.
04:42.40Gneafrank_b: ah - yeah if you go back to that point and try pressing the F-keys at the top of the keyboard, you will see a bunch of options for that - i suggest a linux26 installation, and be sure to get alsa installed and setup - what video card is it?
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04:42.59Hostilewhere do I configure what services debian starts at boot?
04:43.08GuerinHostile: /etc/init.d
04:43.17deadcatHostile: update-rc.d
04:43.22Gneanornagon: i've always had better luck with modules on things like that
04:43.28GuerinHostile: use sysvconfig or update-rc.d or sysv-rc-conf
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04:43.35frank_bGnea: an "ATI Radeon 9250 SE 128 MB"...
04:43.42nornagonAlsa seems to have recognised my sound card, only it's not letting me use that.
04:43.50nornagonIf all else fails, I guess I'll just recompile. Again.
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04:44.01Gneafrank_b: oh man, you're in for a rough ride (ATI sucks) but not impossible....
04:44.04Guerinnornagon: there are ways of forcing it to use a particular card - ask #alsa
04:44.13frank_bGnea: :) hehe
04:44.17HostileGuerin, which one do you recommend?
04:44.19Gnea!tell frank_b about ati
04:44.24Guerinnornagon: use a debian kernel
04:44.24nornagonGuerin: I just did... waiting on a response.
04:44.34frank_bGnea: yes... I've been having troubles with other distros too... :)
04:44.34Gnea!tell frank_b about ati drivers
04:44.38nornagonGuerin: I need one without preempting.
04:44.41nornagonGuerin: I think.
04:44.52nornagonGuerin: Because ndiswrapper seems to break.
04:45.00Gneafrank_b: i had an ati card once many, many years ago - never again. :)
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04:45.07Guerinnornagon: debian kernels don't have preempt - at least 2.6.11-1-686 doesn't
04:45.12frank_bGnea: hehe
04:45.17Hostilewhats the advantage of preemtping...it usually causes trouble for me
04:45.22nornagonGuerin: 2.6.8-2-386 does.
04:45.31Gneagranted, nvidia has a binary driver too, but at least they keep up on their shit
04:45.40nornagonbut I'll try installing kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7, maybe.
04:45.58GneaHostile: good for desktop systems
04:46.06Guerinuse 2.6.11 from testing
04:46.11HostileGnea, oh
04:46.14Hostilewell I use it
04:46.16GneaHostile: especially if you like to run a lot of processes
04:46.18Hostilebut it usually fucks up
04:46.20Gneai do too
04:46.23Hostilehmm
04:46.24Hostileok
04:46.26Gneabig performance difference
04:46.27Hostilethen I better keep it
04:46.29Hostileyea
04:46.29Gneahow so?
04:46.37Hostileidk it conflicts with some stuff
04:46.41Gneasuch as?
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04:47.04Hostilean ieee1394 ethernet driver I had a while back
04:47.16Gneahrm
04:47.19Gneai've got one of those too
04:47.20frank_bGnea: I think I'll have to download a driver, transform from "rpm" to "deb", compile it and patch it, in order to get the video card working... (so I read in a web page)... the problem is that I'm a newbie in linux and I've had problems compiling other drivers and don't understand most of the error messages...
04:47.20Gneaworks fine
04:47.30Hostilewhats fam
04:47.37HostileGnea, well It was so I could telnet into my iPod
04:47.51KingOfParachutezholy shit that stuff works XD
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04:48.02Gneafrank_b: ah ok - basically you just need to have a proper kernel source tree for whatever kernel you're running in /usr/src
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04:48.16frank_bGnea: but if the spund worked already it would be fine... how can I make sure alsa is installed (and configured)? (I don't remember seeing that option on the install process...)
04:48.31rixthDo WatchDog PCI cards work well with Linux?
04:48.32GneaHostile: heh right on, apt-cache show fam
04:48.38frank_bGnea: I hope is that simple... :p
04:48.54rixthAlso, how much should I pay for one?
04:48.59Hostileshould I run fam or not?
04:49.01Gneafrank_b: you'll see alsa in the 2.6 process, it's not in 2.4 by default
04:49.17Gneadepends on what you intend to do with it
04:49.32Hostilebecause right now its automatically starting
04:49.36Hostileand I dont think I need it
04:49.41Gneawell
04:49.41Hostileso Im gonna disable it
04:49.42frank_bGnea: ah... ok. got it
04:49.44Gneayou've got an ipod
04:49.48Hostileyea
04:49.54Gneait wouldn't be a bad idea to just leave it be
04:49.58Hostileok
04:49.58KingOfParachutezwhich interface should i use while going through command line SSH on windows (putty)?
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04:50.02Gnea:)
04:50.06Hostilejust trying to minmimize startup times
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04:50.13KingOfParachutezdialog, readline, editor, noninteractive?
04:50.14Atulahow do I set time/date in debian?
04:50.27GneaKingOfParachutez: dialog seems to work best
04:50.29HostileAtula, use ntpdate
04:50.31KingOfParachutezok
04:50.37deadcatAtula: like any linux machine
04:51.02Gnea!ntpdate
04:51.03dpkgi heard ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp
04:51.30Hostilebrb
04:51.30Mizukagexorg has quit woerking and i can't figure out why, it syas that there is an error with the input device, last error said it was the mouse, have you guys seen this before
04:51.32frank_bGnea: I already know how to install the source code for the kernel... and I have friends who've been using debian for years... let's see if I'm luckier this time... :P thanks for your help, Gnea. "muito obrigado" :) (that's "much obliged" in portuguese... hehe) :)
04:51.32Mizukage?
04:51.34Hostiledoes debian use run levels?
04:51.36KingOfParachutezDo you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n]
04:51.39KingOfParachutezwhats that?
04:51.46deadcatHostile: yes on 2 as default. everything works on 2.
04:51.52Gneafrank_b: good luck :)
04:51.54deadcatKingOfParachutez: yes
04:51.55Hostiledeadcat, well I want kdm on boot
04:51.57Hostileso 5?
04:51.58Hostileor 4?
04:52.02frank_bGnea: thank you
04:52.04frank_bcya all
04:52.05deadcatHostile: no you install kdm
04:52.08frank_bbye
04:52.10Hostilek did so
04:52.23GneaHostile: read this: /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz
04:52.25Hostiledeadcat, ok I think it did start it auto
04:52.28Atulathanks
04:52.33deadcatHostile: ok. next reboot you are good to go. now /etc/init.d/kdm restart
04:52.34HostileGnea, how do I rad that
04:52.41GneaHostile: zcat it
04:52.44deadcatmore it
04:52.44Hostileread*
04:52.45KingOfParachutezDo you wish to restart services? [Y/n]
04:52.48KingOfParachutezi'd say yes
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04:53.22KingOfParachutezThe following services failed to start: apache
04:53.36HostileGnea,  /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
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04:53.38Hostile**
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04:53.53GneaHostile: yes, it is new
04:53.57Gnea:)
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04:55.36Hostilebrb reboot
04:55.58daedalus_!poke Gnea
04:56.06daedalus_Wewt. Dpkg is back
04:56.17Gneaheh
04:56.22Gneayou finally noticed that? :)
04:56.25KingOfParachutezConfiguration file `/etc/mysql/my.cnf'
04:56.26KingOfParachutez*** my.cnf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?
04:56.28daedalus_Wandered away
04:56.30KingOfParachutezwhat to do XD
04:56.33Gneaheh
04:56.48GneaKingOfParachutez: see the differences
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04:57.10KingOfParachutezi dont know about that stuff so it wont help ;) i already saw that much lines of text
04:57.27GneaKingOfParachutez: ok, type D
04:57.29HackelKingOfParachutez: if you don't know about that stuff, you shouldn't be running mysql.
04:57.37Gneait'll make sense once you read it
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04:58.44Hostilehmm
04:58.46Hostileok
04:58.51Hostilenow how do I disable ntpdate on start?
04:59.05daedalus_Disable?
04:59.07Gneaupdate-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
04:59.13Hostilety Gnea
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04:59.50KingOfParachutezGnea ok if i read it what should i see?
04:59.57linlinwhen i try to run "make" in my Unreal ircd direcctory, it jsut says makefile not found :( whats going on?
05:00.03linlini did apt-get install gcc
05:00.04Harley^howdy
05:00.08linlinthen apt-et install make
05:00.08GneaKingOfParachutez: probably plusses and minuses
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05:00.12KingOfParachutezyes
05:00.29Gnealinlin: it means there's no makefile in that directory
05:00.30mdhlinlin: you really shoudl apt-get install build-essential
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05:00.36Gnealinlin: or Makefile
05:00.44GuerinGnea: as soon as he updates the package it'll be replaced
05:00.45GneaKingOfParachutez: do you know math?
05:00.53daedalus_linlin: do you need to be in a src/ directory instead?
05:00.58Hostilehrm
05:01.03Hostilewhy cant I highlight stuff in nano?
05:01.04KingOfParachutezit shows the differences
05:01.09linlinmaybe, i dont know
05:01.14linlintheres a Makefile.in
05:01.23daedalus_linlin:Run configure first
05:01.24GuerinHostile: EDUMBQUESTION
05:01.26Gneawell yes, that's already been explained
05:01.27linlini have
05:01.35KingOfParachutezim fucked anyway no i should install things when i have no clue about the rest :P
05:01.41HostileGuerin, ?
05:01.47GneaGuerin: man, you need to chill the fuck out
05:01.50Gnea!beer Guerin
05:01.55daedalus_linlin: Even better, read the README or INSTALL
05:01.55Harley^Well, I have tried twice to re-install Debian Sarge AMD64 from the netinstall iso. Both times at different places during the install the system locked up while downloading files from csail at mit.edu via ftp and via http
05:02.17Hostileok..why the hell does my mouse work in nano
05:02.20KingOfParachutezi will do Y
05:02.21HostileI dont want a mouse in nano
05:02.22Hostilewtf
05:02.25KingOfParachutezthe rest is the admins problem
05:02.27Gnea!amd64
05:02.27dpkgit has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq
05:02.36deadcatHostile: then dont touch the fucking mouse
05:02.49Hostiledeadcat, well...I want to use the mouse to highlight stuff
05:02.51Hostileto copy it
05:03.07deadcatHostile: then stop bitching
05:03.13GneaHostile: try using a real man's editor, such as vim
05:03.30HostileGnea, ...nah nano works fine...but nano only does this in debian
05:03.31Hostilewtf
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05:03.51Harley^Would installed regular Sarge 3.1 work on an AMD64 ?
05:03.51GuerinHostile: what exactly is the problem?
05:04.10GuerinHarley^: sure
05:04.16daedalus_Hostile: see the docs for nano. You might need to hand it a flag to enable console mouse
05:04.22KingOfParachutez<PROTECTED>
05:04.29KingOfParachutezthats like russian roulette
05:04.34Guerinit ignores mouse input by default
05:04.35HostileGuerin, my mouse works inside of pico so therefore I cant use it to copy stuff
05:04.37KingOfParachutezi'll lmfao if that works XD
05:04.42GneaHostile: man nano
05:04.43GuerinHostile: nano, or pico?
05:04.46Hostilenano
05:04.50Harley^Guerin - Would that be considered 32 bit mode ?
05:04.59Hostileits like a text editor..and its using my mouse wtfh
05:05.02Guerinagain: debian's nano ignores mouse input by default
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05:05.22Guerinif it doesn't for you it means you've configured it that way or your terminal emulator is being crazy
05:05.28GuerinHarley^: of course.
05:05.33linlinoh man, this is aggrevating me
05:05.40Harley^Guerin - Thanks
05:05.56GuerinKingOfParachutez: keep your old onw unless you want a blank debian config
05:06.04KingOfParachutezok ;)
05:06.10daedalus_linlin: Have you read the installation procedure>
05:06.53HostileGuerin, hrm
05:06.55Hostilerxvt
05:06.57Hostilelet me try xterm
05:07.17GuerinHostile: i use rxvt and it works fine for me. Are you using stock debian, or some stupid mashup?
05:07.26daedalus_linlin: and did configure return successfully? Or did it detail some sort of problem?
05:07.29HostileGuerin, stock
05:07.30Hostilewtf
05:07.45daedalus_!wtf
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05:08.06GuerinHostile: using nano -m ?
05:08.06linlinactually, its ./Config
05:08.13linlinand its like a walk-through
05:08.55HostileGuerin, hrm nano -m is no different
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05:09.08daedalus_linlin:.... alright then. Whatever floats the developers boats.  Like I said, the installation documents for unreal ircd should detail all steps.
05:09.14deadcatHostile: install leafpad
05:09.23Hostile,,,,,,,,
05:09.25Hostile........*
05:09.40GuerinHostile: look at your nanorc?
05:09.41daedalus_Hostile: Don't waste people's time.
05:09.53Hostileleafpad is gtk
05:10.01Hostiledaedalus_, how am I wasting peoples time
05:10.01Hostilewtf
05:10.18HostileGuerin, dont have one
05:10.35GuerinHostile: /etc/nanorc ?
05:10.36daedalus_Hostile: By posting crap.  Keep it to topic. messages like "wtf" are useless.
05:10.53HostileGuerin, checking
05:10.54GuerinHostile: come on, do i need to hold your hand through every step of this?
05:10.57KingOfParachutezok.. so now how to include that gd in php.ini if i dont know the exact name?
05:10.59deadcat!tell Hostile about enter
05:11.08Hostileok sorry daedalus_
05:11.34Hostilelol deadcat, sorry bout that
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05:12.33HostileGuerin, ok thanks, I have no clue how mouse support got enabled
05:13.24Azaryou could hold mine, I am in need
05:13.26daedalus_linlin: Is there a debugging or verbosity option for Config?
05:13.38linlinnot that i can tell
05:13.38GuerinKingOfParachutez: find the name
05:13.45daedalus_linlin: You may also need some sort of automake utilities.
05:13.45KingOfParachutezhow?
05:13.47linlinbut after Config finishes, it says to run make
05:13.55daedalus_linlin: Right.
05:13.59Guerinlinlin: it's a shell script - call it with sh -x
05:14.18Hostileis there nvidia drivers in apt-get, or should I install them manually with the ones from nvidia.com? Ill also say I have my own kernel.
05:14.22daedalus_Guerin: He isn't having problems running Config
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05:14.43Guerindaedalus_: i don't care - that's how to make a shell script verbose
05:14.51Guerinthat's what he asked about
05:14.53daedalus_Guarin: Aha. Good call
05:15.25Guerinif config doesn't freak when it can't find the stuff you need to build, it's broken.
05:15.34daedalus_!nvidia
05:15.34dpkghmm... nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..."  - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists
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05:16.48Hostilethanks dpkg
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05:17.27rabiesHostile: its a bot
05:17.27Atulawhat's the difference between mplayer-386 and mplayer-586?
05:18.02Hostilerabies...oops I knew that I used tab completion...meant daedalus_
05:18.10GuerinAtula: one's built for 386 and the other is built for something else ... i'll let you guess
05:18.12rabiesHostile: oh, heh
05:18.38AtulaGuerin, um, I meant 586, is that for pentium 4?
05:18.45Guerinthat'll work
05:18.49AtulaI have celeron 2.4 is that i-386?
05:18.58Azaris just me or the athmosphere here gets overly hostile?
05:18.59hendryAtula: yes
05:19.00GuerinAtula: 586 will work
05:19.00mdhAtula: 586 = pentium
05:19.11GuerinAtula: fuck off, you useless twat.
05:19.14Guerinbah
05:19.16GuerinAzar: ^^^
05:19.17Atulahaha
05:19.23AtulaI have one machine with celeron
05:19.25Atulahehe
05:19.43Atulawill 386 better for celeron?
05:19.45Azarthat was hostile enough
05:19.47GuerinAtula: NO
05:19.50mdhAtula: a celeron is a cut-down pentium 2, i686 will work
05:19.55Atulafine fine
05:19.56Atulaokay
05:20.02daedalus_Azar: Sometimes people ask... silly questions
05:20.03Atula586?
05:20.05Guerinmdh: s/2/2 or 3/
05:20.37AzarDebian is hard enough on new users, I guess it is normal
05:20.44KingOfParachutezok i added extension gd.so to php.ini and restarted the apache.. no errors.. but in phpinfo gd isnt shown?
05:20.49daedalus_Atula: The 586 line is the predecessor to the Pentium line. Pentium 2, P3, and Celerons came later
05:21.00Atulathank you.
05:21.08daedalus_The Pentium line is also know as 686 architecture
05:21.35Guerindaedalus_: no, it's not.
05:21.38Guerinfuck's sakes
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05:21.48daedalus_Guerin: Wtf
05:21.55Guerinif you don't know what you're talking about, please just shut the fuck up and listen to those of us who do
05:22.00Guerinpentium is 586
05:22.09Guerinpentium pro and newer is 686
05:22.17Guerinthis is a very important distinction
05:22.20daedalus_Grrr
05:22.22Hostileok, that nvidia howto guide said do apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source, but apt-cache says it cant find nvidia-kernel-source...do I have to add another source to app or something?
05:22.24AzarI thought it was 686 I seen that on kernel-sources list
05:22.39daedalus_Fuck me.... I hate it when info I've been standing on for years is fucked in the ass.
05:22.48wkhi'm pretty damn sure guerin is right
05:22.53Guerin!686
05:22.54dpkgIn a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel
05:22.56Guerin!586
05:22.57mdhGuerin is right
05:23.00daedalus_Guerin: And you can go cram it up your ass.
05:23.19Guerindaedalus_: ooh, so anti when it turns out you're wrong.
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05:23.56daedalus_I'm wrong. I was wrong. Guerin straightened me out, and I'm grateful.
05:24.07daedalus_Guerin: You don't have to be a fucking ass about it though.
05:24.16Azarright
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05:24.56rabieshey, what are the advantages and disadavantages or a website link to some info on thin clients?
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05:25.29Guerinrabies: x terminal server project might be of use to you
05:25.37rabiesGuerin: got a link?
05:25.37Guerini think it's called something like that, anyways
05:25.42Guerinrabies: nope.
05:25.46rabiesheh
05:25.46rabiesk
05:25.56Guerinrabies: tldp.org has some stuff on it
05:25.56rabieswhat is a thin client exactly?
05:26.18Guerinrabies: it's a client which contains only the programs necessary to connect to another computer
05:26.27deadcatsomeone should write a ncurse based torrent app (=
05:26.31rabiesGuerin: so more like the old mainframe model?
05:26.38rabiesdeadcat: btdownloadcurses
05:26.38Azargood night gentlemen, thanks for the help and the view
05:26.44Guerinrabies: the server runs all the programs and does everything, the client just displays stuff and takes input from the user
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05:26.52rabiesdeadcat: comes in both the tornado and torrent packages
05:26.57rabiesGuerin: that must take some server...
05:26.59Guerindeadcat: yeah, there aren't any of those around.
05:27.19deadcatrabies: ya. but i want it to have tabs like using one btapp to download multi torrent. rather than one per torrent
05:27.30deadcatGuerin: ya you know what i mean (=
05:27.34Guerinrabies: depends what the clients are doing. I have a p3-733 which routes, serves ftp and files, plays media and serves a kde session to my wife's box
05:27.38[timmeh]cd /etc/init.d/ ./apache2 stop but website is still up? why is this?
05:27.43Guerinrabies: doesn't even break a sweat
05:27.47deadcatGuerin: kinna like a gift software
05:27.59Guerindeadcat: why?
05:28.09deadcatGuerin: easier to manager.
05:28.16rabiesGuerin: web browsing and internal database management mostly i guess
05:28.26Guerindeadcat: use btlaunchmanycurses or rtorrent
05:28.34deadcatGuerin: i currently using screen to handle it
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05:28.43Guerinthere are good rtorrent packages for sid, it's a way better client than bt*
05:28.51dystopianwhat to use- ntpsimple or ntpdate? I am just running a desktop
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05:28.54Guerindeadcat: man, that's way stupid.
05:29.00Guerindeadcat: ntpdate
05:29.09Guerinbah
05:29.11Guerindystopian: ^^
05:29.15mousexhey, guys!  Anyone knows how to play realtimebattle?
05:29.26KingOfParachutezhow to move file from one folder to another?
05:29.31Guerindeadcat: unofficial, but good
05:29.36GuerinKingOfParachutez: man mv
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05:33.00exobytehow can I list installed packages?
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05:33.06KingOfParachutezStarting web server: apachePHP Warning:  Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20010901/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20010901/gd.so: undefined symbol: php_stream_stdio_ops in Unknown on line 0
05:33.10KingOfParachutezfun fun fun
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05:33.55Overandwtf
05:34.01Overandthat's a weird directory structure there, KingOfParachutez
05:34.18GuerinKingOfParachutez: hire a webmaster
05:34.23KingOfParachutezi moved 20020429 to the old 2001.. folde one cause it couldnt find gd.so there
05:34.45kingsleyCan an unprintable character from a Czech writer be translated? It's octal 226, and is snadwiched inbetween a "1" and a "7", like "1 <226> 7". (I suspect the writer meant a range of numbers from 1 to 7.)
05:34.49OverandKingOfParachutez: install the php and apache, etc PACKAGES
05:34.54Overandinstead of using this god-awful kluge
05:35.06KingOfParachutezOverand they are
05:35.07kingsleys/snadwiched/sandwiched/
05:35.13KingOfParachutezi just wanted to install gd.so
05:35.18Overand...
05:35.31Guerinkingsley: context?
05:35.57Guerinkingsley: are you translating or transliterating or something?
05:35.58OverandKingOfParachutez: there's a debian-way to do that
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05:36.06KingOfParachutezthat is?
05:36.15Harley^WTF ?!?
05:36.24OverandKingOfParachutez: apt-get install php4-gd
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05:36.36KingOfParachutezomfg.
05:36.39KingOfParachutezthats what i did.. had to update all that stuff
05:36.40Harley^Sarge 32 bit uses kernel 2.4 ?!?
05:36.49Overandyou shouldn't need to move .so files
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05:36.54Guerinever
05:36.56OverandKingOfParachutez: did you try restarting apache after doing this?
05:37.04KingOfParachutezyes.. but it couldnt find it
05:37.05Overandas in "apachectl restart" or any of the other ways?
05:37.06GuerinHarley^: by default
05:37.07KingOfParachutezit searched in the wrong foldr
05:37.15KingOfParachutezOverand i restarted
05:37.19deadcatKingOfParachutez: dir. not folder
05:37.24KingOfParachutezkk..
05:37.27Overandwell, if you've been moving shit around i can't really help yuou anymore
05:37.28deadcatget it straight
05:37.30Harley^AH ! So I should do a linux2.6 at the beginning ?
05:37.31Overandit's not debian  anymore
05:37.31AtulaI'm trying to write the fstab so that it will see my usb drive. is this correct: /dev/sda1   /mnt/usb   auto   rw,user,noauto  0  0?
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05:37.35Overandit's deadian
05:37.38kingsleyGuerin: Thanks for asking. I'm trying to understand an email written mostly in Englich, but with an octal 226 embedded in it.
05:37.39GuerinHarley^: if you want.
05:37.43KingOfParachutezi just moved the gd.so it was a test but didnt work
05:37.44Harley^I see ok
05:37.52kingsleys/Englich/English/
05:38.03Guerinkingsley: and you can't see what the character looks like?
05:38.03abelhi all, i'm trying to install a user friendly debian box for my parents. I need to make the usb key/external hd the most simple to use i can, any advice on whitch window Manager/package i can use to make those device automount on plug ?
05:38.48Guerinabel: use hotplug to mount it automatically and run a filemanager or something on plugin
05:38.51kingsleyGuerin: xterm displays a blank and gvim displays ~V
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05:39.01Guerinkingsley: what charset is it?
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05:39.11Guerinkingsley: the email, i mean?
05:39.19Atulahow do I write the fstab so that it sees my usb drive?
05:39.27Atulait has been a while since I last did it
05:39.32GuerinAtula: man fstab
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05:39.36GuerinAtula: it's not hard
05:39.38kingsleyGuerin: Right. The email has a header which says iso-8859-1.
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05:39.52garyAnyone know any good php blogging software that you can administer on a web frontend?
05:39.53Guerinkingsley: heh. it lies.
05:39.53abelGuerin: where can i say to launch a filemanager on plugin ?
05:40.26Guerinabel: google around for a hotplug script to do it, or look in /usr/share/doc/hotplug/
05:40.42Gueringary: practically any of them
05:40.53abelGuerin: k thanks... i go ;)
05:41.22Gueringary: mambo, drupal, wordpress are the three which come to mind
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05:45.03thofflanddoes anyone know if it's possible to get Flash on a debian system? Not the player, but the developer?
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05:49.44Atulain fstab, at the option for my usb, I wrote: rw,user,noauto is this correct?
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05:50.55mosherI have tried to set up an HP printer with a suported driver through the HP Linux Printing Project I have followed all the directions received no errors during the set up process and now when i go toprint a test page the printer won't print - and yes the printer is on - can someone please help
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05:51.50ke6isfWhat are the steps for upgrading a kernel through apt?
05:52.21deadcatke6isf: apt-cache search kernel-image, then apt-get install kernel-image-.....
05:52.56thofflandmosher: check this site out :http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=HP
05:53.16mosherthoffland: thank you I will look and be back if my solution is not found
05:53.30thofflandthat's how I set up mine, I'm a newbie, but maybe it will help
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05:56.19Atulain .bash_profile, there's a place where one can set PATH so that private bin works.... I uncommented "if [-d ~/bin ]..." but it still wouldn't work. how do I make it work?
05:56.31Atulais there another file I should be fixing?
05:56.48Atula.bash_profile I'm editing is in ~/
05:57.06Hostilehow do I install a .deb with apt-get
05:57.12rabiesHostile: dpkg -i packagename
05:57.17Hostilethanks rabies
05:57.19rabiesnp
05:57.35rabiestest
05:57.41rabiescool, timestamps
05:58.49Hostilelol
05:58.56Atulain .bash_profile, there's a place where one can set PATH so that private bin works.... I uncommented "if [-d ~/bin ]..." but it still wouldn't work. how do I make it work?
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06:00.33pablumAtula, I think you have to restart X if you don't want to have to retype '. ~/.bash_profile' when you open a new term window.  Not sure though... don't want to log out and try it.
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06:03.35mdhpablum: for your own future reference, man bash
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06:03.49mdhlearn the difference between a login shell and a non-login shell
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06:04.47Withdrawhow do i see what kernel ver im running?
06:04.52deadcatunamr -r
06:05.06mang|idleuname*
06:05.08deadcatya
06:05.20Withdrawthanks
06:05.56mangyargh
06:06.22mang>_< selected kde as well as gnome at install
06:06.26mangstupid kde
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06:06.45rabiesmang: both take a good 2 gigs to fully install
06:06.51rabiesmang: use gnome-core or kde-core
06:07.01mangeh?
06:07.13rabiesmang: it'll save you the headache of uninstalling hundreds of useless crud
06:07.22mangoic ;)
06:07.23mangthanks
06:07.28rabiesmang: hundreds of useless crud packages*
06:07.31rabies:)
06:07.36mangthink ill just reREisntall
06:07.37mang-_-
06:07.39rabiesbetter to work up then down
06:08.04rabiesyeah...i never got all of the gnome packages off my system o_O
06:08.22pablummdh I do know the difference between a login shell and an interactive one...
06:08.29deadcatmang: start the process
06:08.35pablumat least as it pertains to .bashrc and .bash_profile.
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06:09.53mangthe manual package selection for debian confuses me ;/
06:09.53rabiesas sacreligious as that sounds...
06:10.02rabiesmang: dont bother, aptitude is annoying
06:10.13rabiesmang: just use apt-get after the package selection screen
06:10.20mang:/
06:10.29mangso id just to apt-get install gnome-core ?
06:10.30rabiesthe aptitude defaults are fine for basic system setup
06:10.34mangand it will do the rest?
06:10.47mang-to +do
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06:12.46Guerinor better yet
06:12.55Guerinuse aptitude instead of apt-get, from the cli
06:13.36mangok
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06:14.20mangGuerin so id be better off doing aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment ?
06:14.52Guerinmang: or gnome-core, yeah
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06:15.06mangthanks :)
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06:17.48mdh!gnome
06:17.49dpkghmm... gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of shit
06:18.03mdhheh
06:20.04mangis there a cli network setup script / tool? im to lazy to ifconfig lol
06:20.41mdhetherconf
06:21.02mdhor you edit /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup / ifdown
06:21.14mangta
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06:22.03mangnother quick question how can i make apt-get search my dvd rom for gnome packages, as i dont wanna have too d/l them all atm
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06:23.45mdhmang: etc /etc/apt/sources.list and point it at your dvd drive
06:24.05mangcheers :)
06:24.17mdhman sources.list
06:24.59mangthanks i just didn't know what to google for ;/
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06:30.53yerI'm installing debian :)
06:31.10mangso am i :D
06:31.15cplxgood choice ;)
06:31.17yerawsome
06:31.20ke6isfone of us!
06:31.23yerrofl
06:31.26yerI must say
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06:31.33TwistedLappyWee... I win.. I'm already installed ;)\
06:31.35yerI'm very very very impressed with the installer
06:31.48TwistedLappy?
06:31.50yerlast time I installed debian
06:31.52TwistedLappyWith the installed?
06:31.53yerI gave up
06:31.57yerhalf way through
06:31.58TwistedLappy*installer?
06:32.00yeryah
06:32.10TwistedLappythen you will love the OS.. hahah
06:32.28yerI have a toshiba tecra 510cdt
06:32.35yerp1, 132mhz, 80mb ram
06:32.37yer:D
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06:32.47yerI had knoppix 3.2 installed on the HDD of that
06:32.52yerthat was my introduction to debian
06:33.07cplxWhy is it when I try to run IRCU/IRCD by going ./ircd -f ircd.conf it says "Fail: Cannot chdir(/root/lib): Permission denied, check DPATH"
06:33.07TwistedLappyyer: lappys are hard to install on.. so many different factors..
06:33.09ke6isfdeadcat: I presume a reboot is required after that?
06:33.10cplxAny ideas anyone?
06:33.16yerI tried installing debian on another box a few years ago, but there was no kernel module for my nic
06:33.22yerand I coudlnt download any packages
06:33.23yer:(
06:33.26yerbut this time
06:33.39yerI put in the disc
06:33.41yerbooted up
06:33.49ke6isfcplx: where are you running ircd from?
06:33.50DraconicusI ENJOY CANTALOPE
06:34.00cplxke6isf: It wont let me run it as root, so another user.
06:34.03seemawnhi
06:34.13seemawndoes the soundblaster live audigy2 run in linux
06:34.20ke6isfcplx: Not who as, but where from?  You say you're doing ./ircd, where is .?
06:34.28yerfreakin thing, detected my pcmcia card, ran dhcp, got the lappy's hostname and domain name from my router, and was like "yeah, I'm cool. just keep hitting enter"
06:34.49TwistedLappyyer: hahaha... glad you are enjoying yourself ;)
06:34.54ke6isfyer: Heh.  I'm running static on the outside, but I know my information by memory - so it's just as well.
06:34.55cplxke6isf: in ~/ircu2.10.11.07/ircd - ircd
06:34.56yerI couldnt be happier
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06:35.25yerke6isf: this is the first time ive been able to do a netowrk install on a laptop
06:35.34TwistedLappyyer: just wait till linux comes out with blowjob module...
06:35.34ke6isfcplx: It appears to be attempting to access /root/lib - to give access to /root to any user is suicidal if you're concerned about security.
06:35.41deadcatTwistedLappy: what up girl (=
06:35.52ke6isfWell, maybe not suicidal, but it's not a Good Idea.
06:36.00TwistedLappydeadcat: I worry about you sometimes..
06:36.03cplxke6isf: ok.. so where you suggest I install from?
06:36.06deadcathahahah
06:36.07ke6isfTwistedEmotions: There are indeed people working on teledildonics.
06:36.24ke6isfcplx: well, how did you install?  Did you compile, or apt-get it?
06:36.40cplxke6isf: ./configure, make, make install
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06:36.52TwistedLappyke6isf: Call me when they perfect televagonics... dont want teledildonics..
06:37.01yeryou guys think that 3.1r0 is gonna be 'bloatware' on my 132mhz lappy?
06:37.09yer80meg ram :D
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06:37.27deadcatyer: no just dont cehck anything under the package menu
06:37.28TwistedLappydeadcat: :( I have to wark up at 5:20am for work... I hate consctruction ;(
06:37.39ke6isfcplx: Why not do an apt-get?
06:37.41deadcatthen you have a base to work with which is 160MB i think. then install what ever you want
06:37.49yerdeadcat: well, I was gonna use X and fluxbox
06:37.53cplxapt-get install ircu
06:37.54cplxReading package lists... Done
06:37.54cplxBuilding dependency tree... Done
06:37.54cplxE: Couldn't find package ircu
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06:37.57deadcatTwistedLappy: damn. i went to sleep at 5am (=
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06:38.00yerand gkrellm so I can see my battery
06:38.00cplxmy bad.
06:38.04TwistedLappywow you idiot.
06:38.05deadcatyer: thats fine
06:38.08yeryeah
06:38.11ke6isfTwistedEmotions: That's usually what ml's are for.
06:38.12deadcatTwistedLappy: watching "24" (=
06:38.16TwistedLappy*ahah you idot is what I mean to say..
06:38.17yerthats what I had on here with knoppix (which is basically debian)
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06:38.20ke6isfcplx: apt-cache search ircd or somesuch.
06:38.22cplxhaha :P
06:38.23deadcattoo much drama
06:38.25gogo3orhello
06:38.25cplxok
06:38.25yerbut I did a apt-get install gkrellm
06:38.37mangugh gnome is taking ages :(
06:38.44yerand it said: you need to install thse 76 packages, useing 62mb of disk space
06:38.49yerso I said "yeah sure whatever"
06:38.51TwistedLappyke6isf: ml's?
06:38.54gogo3orhow see me?
06:38.57yerand left to go out to eat
06:38.57gogo3orwho
06:38.58ke6isfTwistedEmotions: Mailing lists.
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06:39.04yerI came back, rebooted adn EVERYTHING was broken
06:39.13TwistedLappyke6isf: I'm lost... mailing lists are for what?
06:39.17yerso I said 'i better just try the REAL debian'
06:39.18sanxiynyer: Congraduation.
06:39.22cplxke6isf: cheers :)
06:39.24gogo3orhello
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06:39.25ke6isfTwistedEmotions: televangonics. =^^=
06:39.31mangrofl
06:39.37TwistedLappyke6isf: hahaha ohhhhh.. ;)
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06:39.48ArchitectSinanhi all
06:39.48gogo3orwho can heard me?
06:39.49TwistedLappydeadcat: go to work for me tommorow.
06:39.49yerI hope 2.2GB is enough disk space
06:39.50cplxke6isf: where would the config files be kept?
06:40.07TwistedLappygogo3or: I cant heard you.
06:40.08ke6isfcplx: /etc/ircd, I'd suspect (based largely on convention)
06:40.20TwistedLappygogo3or: hit the volume up button.
06:40.31mang:/
06:40.32gogo3orTwistedEmotions: ok thnaks I'm not newbie I'm only checking
06:40.38manglol
06:40.40deadcatTwistedLappy: nah. i have to go to burlingame to pick up an airport basestation for $35 (hopefully he wont sell it to someone else)
06:40.46gogo3orhehe
06:41.06TwistedLappygogo3or: What made you think I though you were a newb? I still cfant hear you... maybe it's xmms..
06:41.08yerman, I gotta finish going through my files on this box
06:41.08mangsetting up scroll keeper is takin ages :/
06:41.14yerit is sooooo time for an upgrade
06:41.16sanxiynmang: Yes, unfortunately.
06:41.17mangi think its stoped :/
06:41.23mangahh
06:41.23TwistedLappydeadcat: get a wireless bridge!
06:41.24toresbeAnyone know how I can, after running /window new -split, change window in the new window?
06:41.26yerI'm rockin deadrat 9 :(
06:41.31gogo3orTwistedEmotions: hehehe
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06:41.38ArchitectSinani'm installing sarge 3.1r0a (with linux26 boot option). And now i'm in "xserver-xfree86 configuration" screen. It asks me my Xserver, but my graphic card (onboard intel extreme graphics chips of intel i845GV chipset) is not in the list. What should i select ?
06:41.39deadcatTwistedLappy: no. access point.
06:41.42gogo3orI'm using mpg123
06:41.46TwistedLappydeadcat: I got that for my imac... hella easier..
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06:41.57cplxke6isf: /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu/ sound right?
06:42.09TwistedLappydeadcat: what are you trying to connect to wireless? your lappy already has one..
06:42.11ke6isfcplx: Yep.  Read 'em. =^^=
06:42.44yerhey!
06:42.54yer:( I hope it burns your insides :P
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06:43.01deadcatTwistedLappy: no. airport access point.
06:43.03mangbucket of water put it out ;D
06:43.10yer:/
06:43.12PhatedSmoking. Gross.
06:43.12TwistedLappydeadcat: What airport?
06:43.19sanxiynArchitectSinan: vesa should work for now.
06:43.22GneaArchitectSinan: i810
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06:43.28TwistedLappydeadcat: Oakland or SFO?
06:43.28deadcatTwistedLappy: you know those apple airport access point? thats what i am getting
06:43.31sanxiynArchitectSinan: Ah, is it i810? Okay.
06:43.35ArchitectSinansanxiyn: thx i'll select vesa
06:43.40deadcatTwistedLappy: no (=.
06:43.42sanxiynArchitectSinan: See what Gnea said.
06:43.46TwistedLappydeadcat: your getting it at the airport?
06:43.53ArchitectSinansanxiyn: ok
06:43.54yeroooooooo installing the kernel :)
06:44.01ArchitectSinanGnea: thanx
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06:44.04mangyer wait till you gotta do packages -_-
06:44.04deadcatTwistedLappy: no. the thing is called airport. i am getting it in burlingame
06:44.07yerI only got one left!
06:44.07Gneanp
06:44.12ke6isfheh heh heh
06:44.18TwistedLappydeadcat: burlingame has a airport?
06:44.22Gneayer: one lung? :)
06:44.24cplxke6isf: the docs don't show alot.. and /etc/ircd is debians ircd.. not ircu hmm..
06:44.26mangyer thats base install :P
06:44.27yerrofl
06:44.27PhatedSee? Smoking leads to violence.
06:44.33Gneaheh
06:44.41GneaPhated: heh, i quit 4 months ago
06:44.43yerack! 2.4.27?!?!
06:44.43TwistedLappydeadcat: Im dicking with you... haha.. I know what a airport card is...
06:44.45deadcatPhated: kill them all and let god sort it out
06:44.52yerI thought this was a _new_ distro
06:44.56Phateddeadcat: I'm a non-smoker.
06:44.57deadcatTwistedLappy: not a card. the basestation.
06:45.00mangit is
06:45.02ke6isfcplx: Beyond what I told you (which is really semi-common sense), I can't support this any farther.  I don't run an irc daemon out of general principle.
06:45.03zortonis it just me or is the kernel patch's released on kernel.org pretty well screwed up?
06:45.09tripppywhats a good  p2p app for debian running KDE?
06:45.12TwistedLappydeadcat: what airport are you picking it up at?
06:45.12mangyer: thats the most stable kernel :)
06:45.12Guerinyer: so use 2.6.11
06:45.15PhatedGnea: Well, good for you.
06:45.26deadcatTwistedLappy: not at the airport.
06:45.27GneaPhated: ever since i quit i've noticed my general attitude regarding 'hate' to have lowered about 99%
06:45.29Guerintripppy: bittorrent
06:45.31mangtripppy try limewire
06:45.37Guerin!limewire
06:45.38dpkgfrom memory, limewire is better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see http://www.limewire.com!  GPL!
06:45.44yeranything less than 2.6 is vonerable to the local root exploit :(
06:45.48Guerinlimewire is appalling
06:45.52Guerindon't use it
06:45.52TwistedLappydeadcat: burlingame has a airport?
06:45.55yerlimewire is awsome!
06:45.56sanxiynyer: What?
06:45.58PhatedGnea: Wow. Can't believe what I'd be like if I started.
06:46.07Guerinyer: you're so full of shit.
06:46.12sanxiynyer: Any reference to pre-2.6 kernel local root exploit please?
06:46.13GneaPhated: hehe stay as you are, you're just fine :)
06:46.18yersanxiyn: can I have a shell on your box real quick?
06:46.21PhatedGuerin: "yer so full of shit".
06:46.22yer:P
06:46.24tripppyGuerin, im running knoppix, whats a good BT client?
06:46.35Guerintripppy: dunno what knoppix has.
06:46.35mangyer its prolly patched lol
06:46.37Gneaso go take a dump
06:46.39Gnea:P
06:46.48mangor else i doubt they would ship the disrto with it -_-
06:46.50sanxiynyer: No you can't. But you can provide me the reference. (So I can be convinced.)
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06:47.00yersanxiyn: hold up
06:47.06yersanxiyn: ill grab it
06:47.10Guerinthis oughta be good
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06:47.19yercd ~/shit/exploits
06:47.24Gnea!knoppix
06:47.24dpkgKnoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/.  Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat.
06:47.24yererr. lol
06:47.29sanxiyntripppy: Plain BitTorrent works for me.
06:47.30ivani'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but i have problems mounting a partition, when I try to fsck, I get this error fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda5, is there anyway to fix it?
06:47.38manghmm
06:47.38sanxiyntripppy: I tried BitTornado once, but I don't care.
06:47.48zorton~/shit is such a cool directory
06:47.48aptokay, zorton
06:47.53Guerinrtorrent is the best bittorrent client out there at the moment
06:47.58zortonvery descriptive :)
06:48.01mangi just did aptitude install gnome-desktop-en*** and i dont have startx ;/
06:48.04GneaLOL
06:48.08ke6isfIs this a typical Friday?
06:48.10Gnea~/shit
06:48.10apt/shit is probably such a cool directory
06:48.12PhatedHahah. QOTD.
06:48.20Gnea:)
06:48.27Guerinmang: aptitude install x-window-system-core
06:48.34mang;/
06:48.36zortonI like it
06:48.42mangdont tell me i gotta reinstall gnome then ;/
06:48.46Phated~forget /shit
06:48.46aptPhated: i forgot /shit
06:48.49Phatedmang: No.
06:48.56Gneaooo beat me to it
06:48.58Gnea!beer Phated
06:49.02yer<PROTECTED>
06:49.09zortonmmmmm....beer i should go get another one
06:49.09yerdiscovered may 2004
06:49.17PhatedYou can have mine.
06:49.24Gneaok
06:49.26ke6isfI thought the 2.4 kernel was patched.
06:49.27Gneacheers
06:49.50emptyLMAO http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/
06:50.33emptyI <3 the Gentoo one
06:50.43sanxiynyer: Well, look at Debian kernel-source-2.4.27 (2.4.27-8) changelog.
06:50.54sanxiyn(2.4.27-8)
06:50.56yerhow manny lines can I paste before its a flood
06:50.58sanxiyn[SECURITY] Fix vulnerability in the ELF loader code allowing
06:51.02sanxiynlocal attacker to execute code as root; CAN-2004-1235. This is better
06:51.03yer5 or 6 ok?
06:51.06sanxiynknown as the "uselib() bug". (closes: #289202) (Maximilian Attems)
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06:51.12sanxiynyer: Thanks.
06:51.24yersanxiyn: awsome! I'm glad its fixed
06:51.35Guerinyer wrong.
06:51.37eugenesanhi all, is there 2.6.12 packages for sarge out there?
06:51.37yerthanks for what
06:51.40sanxiynyer: You can be relatively sure any widely known Kernel bugs are patched in Debian.
06:51.42Guerineugenesan: no.
06:51.43zortonyer: I still hax0rd you
06:51.48yerlol
06:51.51yeruh oh
06:51.55yerI have been haxored
06:51.56Guerineugenesan: and never will there be, officially.
06:51.59yerwhat ever sahll I do
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06:52.14zortonbecome paranoid and sleep under the bed clutching your HD?
06:52.18PhatedLearn to type. Offline, where we can't see you.
06:52.19yerlol
06:52.23eugenesanGuerin: :-) , i am looking for unofficial ones...
06:52.24Guerin!lol
06:52.25dpkglol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg
06:52.29Guerineugenesan: kernel.org
06:52.44PhatedBADGER KILLER!
06:53.03zortonwhoa
06:53.16foozit's jesus, lol
06:53.18zortonthat's hardcore man
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06:53.35yerok, what the hell. "lol" was invented so that I dont have to freakin type "i am slightly amused but not to the point of acutally laughing out loud quite yet" every freakin 10 seconds
06:53.58PhatedActually, no, Heh was invented for that.
06:54.00Guerinloljesus.com is the shit
06:54.01foozlol stands for laughing out loud
06:54.02timjesus!! that's funny!!
06:54.10yerheh
06:54.12foozheh
06:54.15yerthat is funny
06:54.22emptyI think you want CITMS yer
06:54.33emptyChuckling Inwardly To My Self
06:54.37yerheh
06:54.39PhatedSee? You look -so- much less lame already. Now just stop hitting your enter key so often.
06:55.05mangthis aint good ;/ startx errors
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06:55.49yeryou know, Ill bet any amount of money that most of the people in here think I'm a "newbie" or somthing
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06:55.51_linuxAS_morning
06:55.55timmang... after just installing your gnome-core?
06:55.56Gneamang: how descriptive
06:56.05sanxiynpopularity-contest can now submit data using HTTP, not email. Great.
06:56.10ke6isf!it doesn't work
06:56.12yerholy crap its 3am
06:56.20Gneayer: of course you're a newbie
06:56.22ke6isfshoot, how do I invoke that.
06:56.26mangcannot open device /dev/input/mouse ;/
06:56.28Guerinyer: you haven't demonstrated anything else
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06:56.42yerwell, neither have you
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06:56.59Gneachip another brick
06:56.59ke6isfyer: Not only are you a newbie, you're an arrogant one at that.
06:57.01sanxiynGuerin: He demonstrated that he thinks 2.4 kernel is ancient, which may be interpreted as some kind of clue.
06:57.16yerbut then again, gerneal rules of irc seem to be "newb until proven innocent" so ill let it slide
06:57.17mangke6isf wins ;D
06:57.18Guerinyer: actually, if you check http://debstats.dontexist.com, you'll note that I have many hundreds of thousands of times over
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06:57.32PhatedGo go gadget Guerin!
06:57.38PhatedLove the alliteration.
06:57.41Guerinsanxiyn: he demonstrated that he thought old == pwn3d, which demonstrated the opposite
06:57.45mangGuerin "redirect failed"
06:57.54mang;)
06:57.54Phateds/.com/.org/
06:57.57Guerinoh
06:57.59ke6isfPhated: Don't practice your alliteration in here! =^^=
06:58.05Guerinlife is like that
06:58.09Phatedke6isf: Bugger, bitch.
06:58.11mangwoo works :)
06:58.11Phated:)
06:58.16sanxiynGuerin: Oops you're #2 that's crazy.
06:58.20ke6isf!beer phated
06:58.35PhatedStop beering me. I've demonstrated my non-drinking status.
06:58.41Guerinhaha
06:58.49ke6isf!coffee phated
06:58.56PhatedNon-caffeinated, too.
06:58.59ke6isf...dang, still no coffee.
06:59.06yerGuerin: fair enough.
06:59.06Guerin!hotdog Phated
06:59.13PhatedHOTDOG!
06:59.16PhatedDamnit.
06:59.25ke6isf!bbq phated
06:59.27Gneawhat about buns
06:59.27PhatedSweet.
06:59.28Guerinwith pickle
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06:59.33PhatedAnd sour.
06:59.38sourwhat?
06:59.40Guerinand smoked cheese and mustard and red onionss
06:59.44PhatedHah.
06:59.46zortondoes it seem wrong to be compiling kernels with OSX machines?
06:59.46Gneammmm
06:59.51PhatedGuerin: Woot. *steals*
06:59.52Guerinzorton: yes.
07:00.00zortonGuerin: thought so :)
07:00.09emptyGnea, I inadvartently helped a bun-related site get running in here a week or two ago
07:00.12zortonjust feels wrong, but damned if it dosen't speed compiles up
07:00.27manghow i do reconfigure my Xfree86 ? :/
07:00.27sourgreat, another punctuation whore.
07:00.35emptyGnea, assambassador.com
07:00.37mangi need to change where my mouse is "
07:00.42Gneaempty: a lot of lips involved?
07:00.47Gneahahahahaha
07:00.50emptysour, ! unless .
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07:01.21sanxiyn!tell mang about reconfigure x
07:01.43Phatedsour: If you didn't have a dictionary word as a nick, we wouldn't hilight you accidentally. Your fault.
07:01.54timmang: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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07:02.13mangthanks tim
07:02.17timsure mang!
07:02.17emptysour, bitch not pal, you have no idea how many empty config files and logs there are
07:02.21zortonBurrito time!
07:02.27mangand where does debian "mount" the mouse by defualt?
07:02.35foozfrom behind
07:02.38zortonmang: the mouse isn't "mounted" that would be sick
07:02.46mangi dunno the term for it :/
07:02.47daedalus_!drxx mang
07:02.48dpkgmang: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86   (as root)
07:03.09PhatedHeheh. Mounted mouse. Hee.
07:03.15mdhmang: /dev/input/mice would be a good start
07:03.16zortonmang: the mouse is a device, typicaly living in /dev/psaux depending on your config
07:03.23daedalus_Doh.... window was scrolled up....
07:03.24Gneaempty: how kind of you to assist
07:03.30zortonalthough i'm not sure why I don't have that on my system :(
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07:03.44mangcheers zorton
07:04.12zortonnp, just make your old lady call you zorton next time your with her :)
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07:04.26emptyGnea, yes indeed. He swore up and down on adding a Brittany Murphy gallery as thanks but as always its a thankless job I guess :P
07:04.51deadcathow do i make apt-get not to ask me about the secure stuff when i install stuff?
07:04.52emptymdh, pop it in the ass and call it Yum
07:04.53Phatedzorton: Not a Ps/2 mouse?
07:05.09PhatedOr you don't have psmouse loaded or something.
07:05.12zortonPhated: don't have /dev/input/mice, must have missed compiling in the devfs replacement
07:05.15emptydeadcat, install fedora?
07:05.28deadcatempty: why would i want to do that?
07:05.33Guerindeadcat: don't run unstable
07:05.37emptydeadcat, I was making a joke
07:05.41deadcatGuerin: not a chance (=
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07:05.46sanxiynmang: You want to run "mdetect" (mouse detector) as root.
07:05.50deadcatempty: that joke was way off.
07:05.51yerGuerin: http://defalconixe.no-ip.com/~yer/apartment/ <-am I a newbie?
07:05.51zortonwhatever is more fashionable than devfs these days, think it's called uhfs or something
07:05.53Guerindeadcat: then control your computer, don't let it control you.
07:06.04foozudev
07:06.07sanxiynmang: It will print device name and mouse protocol.
07:06.22deadcatGuerin: i am out of control
07:06.24mangwoo /dev/psaux worked :)
07:06.41manggnome is alive :D
07:06.46foozyer, nooooooooooobie
07:06.49mdhaptitude just went and reinstalled all the orphans I purged
07:06.51Guerinyer: if you think you have to wave your dick around thusly, then probably :)
07:06.51zortonmang: cool, you should look into /dev/input/mice though, more flexible, picks up on usb mice that you plug in a such
07:06.59mdhstupid bitch
07:07.01mangbut "failed to start xscreensaver"
07:07.04mangbut its alive
07:07.12Guerinyer: and hot-damn you have a slow link
07:07.15PhatedGuerin: Pwnage. :)
07:07.17mangthanks everyone for all your help so far :)
07:07.19yerGuerin: come on, now, I'm not bragging or anything, I just like to be viewed as an equal
07:07.33zortonyer: you need a full blown rack, too much gear and cables.  ( i'm in the same trouble over here)
07:07.42PhatedIf you have to prove you're an equal... you're not.
07:07.45foozyour coffee cups are weak girly-man coffee cups
07:07.47yerGuerin: I upload at 40k/sec, but seeing as I just linked the whole channel to my site... heh, probly a little bogged down
07:07.51foozi laugh at them
07:07.52emptyyer, you have some gear in your apartment. Show us a datacenter and we'll talk :P
07:08.20zortonafter working where I do, even a data center seems lame
07:08.29PhatedBesides, judging by the number of netadmins, any fool can get a bunch of hardware.
07:08.36emptyzorton, LOL
07:08.38rkingzorton: where do you work?
07:08.38zortonshow me some nice s-band and x-band gear and i'll start drolling
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07:08.44emptyPhated, they call that an MCSE
07:08.51zortonrking: NOAA tracking station, FCDAS fairbanks alaska
07:08.54sanxiynyer: I can see that you aren't a newbie, as defined by its typical usage.
07:08.56Phated"fool"? Yeah.
07:08.59zortonnice blinky lights
07:09.07yersanxiyn: thanks, thats all I wanted to hear
07:09.13PhatedHahah.
07:09.16foozyer, omg you run SCO
07:09.21mangsoo arr back to my noob question whats the easiest way to config my nic ?
07:09.27Guerinand fedora core 3, hahaha
07:09.31rkingzorton: ahhh, sweet
07:09.34yersanxiyn: heh, I think that owning a netra kinda exludes me from the general "newbie" clasification
07:09.38Guerinmang: etherconf
07:09.41zortonmang: if it's reconized by the kernel, ifconfig will do nicely
07:09.44Gnea!tell mang about interfaces
07:09.49yerfooz: that machien is unpluged, I didnt want it to sue my linux boxes :P
07:09.52timhow do you create an ISO with debian? is there software for it? I saw a command line at one point... fsiso or something
07:09.55zortonmang: what Guerin said
07:09.57mangatm its using dhcp but i want to give it a static ip
07:10.09foozi can't understand solaris
07:10.13foozand it blows up on my hardware
07:10.16zortonrking: lot of fun, i'm just an intern but I have a blash
07:10.22yerfooz: do you have a sparc box?
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07:10.26fooznah
07:10.29foozbog standard PC
07:10.30zortonhmmm...blash, something between a blast and a splash
07:10.36Phatedtim: mkisofs?
07:10.38yerfooz: well thats why, solaris x86 blows
07:10.40foozSolaris Express doesn't like Adaptec U160 SCSI card
07:10.43timi'll try that
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07:10.56fooznor firewire
07:11.02mangGuerin : etherconf command not found
07:11.08Guerin!instasllit
07:11.08foozyer, nah it seems OK, i just can't understand how to use it
07:11.11Guerin!installit
07:11.11dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>.
07:11.16mang;P
07:11.33mangmy bad ;D
07:11.43yerfooz: you may wanna start by switching your shell to bash :P
07:11.47naolivHi. Where can I find instructions on how to access a projetc on svn.debian.org? I am on a project of Alioth. Our svn repository was created, but I don't know how to access it.
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07:11.59foozyer, its volume management and RAID solution is so Linux 1996
07:12.04foozhehe
07:12.11yerhahah definately
07:12.24foozi'll try again when ZFS is here
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07:12.38yerfooz: you want some help with your solaris?
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07:12.58foozyer, what i need is a lot of free time and more hardware to play with it on.. juggling partitions is no fun
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07:13.39yerfooz: I agree. partitions are no fun, and solaris is nothing uless you can spend a few hours per day with it heh
07:13.54foozyer, mostly i need to learn more about how the system is put together.. i keep reading that I should use BFU to get into opensolaris, but I have an issue with a package manager that skips package management (?)
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07:14.12foozand i don't know how the system boots yet, which makes me wary of doing anything to it
07:14.19swimwill sid mplayer not install?
07:14.25yerfooz: I dont use opensolaris or solaris express. I use the comercial solaris 9
07:14.28zortonI didn't dig solaris because the filesystem was so messy
07:14.34yerfooz: I have no problems :D
07:14.36streunerswim: /msg dpkg sid faq
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07:14.52Guerini was going to get opensolaris, but it needed stupid proprietary shiteware to install, so i decided to install hurd instead
07:15.01rkingswim: add this to your sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
07:15.04foozGuerin, what do you mean?
07:15.10swimrking, I have that already
07:15.27rkingswim: oh, weird.  i don't know, then. =(
07:15.35foozGuerin, the installer isn't open source yet (will be in a few months) but Schillix proves you don't need the installer to run the OS (it's an OpenSolaris LiveCD if you didn't know)
07:15.39Guerinfooz: according to the install guide it needs some sun compiler or linker or somesuch to build
07:15.41streunerswim: apt-get install xine
07:15.41swimrking, maybe its because Im trying to install mplayer-586?
07:15.44streunerswim: apt-get install vlc
07:15.52foozGuerin, nope.. you can build it with GCC, but it requires a few patches
07:15.53timmkisofs isn't it unless I used it wrong..
07:15.59Guerinfooz: oh, ok.
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07:16.07simonrvnploink, you octothorpe-debian-denizens
07:16.07streunerswim: there are alternatives
07:16.07swimstreuner, its for freevo... mplayer is required
07:16.16swimyah I m familiar with them all
07:16.23Guering'day simonrvn
07:16.23foozGuerin, not that i've tried, but they say it's ready and works. they're working their way up to -Werror/lint clean
07:16.27rkingswim: maybe ... i have "MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.5", but i haven't apt-get upgrade'd in a little while
07:16.45daedalus_tim: mkisofs will crank out an iso based on a directory structure you feed it...
07:16.58simonrvnaah, so they are doing sometyhing with that opensolaris
07:17.00streunerdpkg, plonk
07:17.01dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile
07:17.01simonrvnsomething*
07:17.09streunerhm
07:17.12simonrvnno, ploink, not plonk =)
07:17.13timdaedalus: i tried: mkisofs -b /filepath
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07:17.52daedalus_tim: you need to add -o <isofile> at the very least
07:17.56mangeep i broke gnome ;/
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07:18.01timok, i'll try again... thanks
07:18.01Guerinmang: easily done
07:18.02sanxiynGuerin: I do believe Sun is very serious about OpenSolaris.
07:18.04mangno apps will start
07:18.12mangand i dont have the logof menu lol
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07:18.27simonrvnhey!
07:18.31Guerinsanxiyn: yeah, well, if they'd released it under a gplc license i'd have a bit more time for them.
07:18.34Phated'ello, deary.
07:18.38simonrvnhiya :)
07:18.43daedalus_tim: and -b needs a boot image
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07:18.59foozGuerin, it's the GPL which is incompatible, not CDDL
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07:19.04foozkeep that in mind
07:19.06Guerinfooz: nope.
07:19.09timdaedalus: it creates the boot image right?
07:19.24timdaedalus: that last command worked by the way...
07:19.36zortonwhat is the fs that creates the /dev/input/mice stuff? I know it's not devfs
07:19.55foozzorton, it's a device node. cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV input
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07:20.15zortonfooz: so it's not an autogenerated thing?
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07:20.23ArchitectSinanI installed the sarge 3.1r0a a few minutes ago. I installed "Desktop Machine" also and it installed Gnome, KDE etc. My machine start with "GDM", but i want to see the shell prompt first. What should i do ?
07:20.28foozzorton, it is if you have devfs or udev.. not otherwise
07:20.32foozzorton, same as any other device node in /dev?
07:20.45zortonfooz: yeah, same as any other node
07:20.51zortonudev I think was what I was looking for
07:20.55daedalus_tim: -b <imagefile> makes the iso bootable with the provided boot image. It does not automagically make a boot image for you.
07:20.55foozthere's nothing special or new about /dev/input
07:20.59liableArchitectSinan: remove gdm..
07:21.02streunerdpkg, plonk is also Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine.
07:21.03dpkgstreuner: okay
07:21.08foozif it's missing, you misconfigured something
07:21.27swimwhen trying to install mplayer-386 or mplayer-586 it seems libbio2jack0 , libdirectfb-0.9-20, and libjack0.80.0-0 are all uninstallable
07:21.32timdaedalus: ok, thanks... i dont have a boot image though. suppose I could create one somehow?
07:21.34ArchitectSinanliable: thanks, i should have guessed that :)
07:22.05sanxiynswim: Yes, that's true.
07:22.25sanxiynswim: Sid moved to Jack 0.100, so anything depending on Jack 0.80 is broken.
07:22.29swimsanxiyn, so freevo is also unusable on sid?
07:22.31daedalus_tim: there are bootable cd howto's out and about on the net. It's been so long since I did it, I would have to look myself anyway
07:22.33swimthat is so lame
07:22.38sanxiynswim: True.
07:22.38zortonfooz: might have, or I just was lazy and din't look at the list closely
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07:22.55timdaedalus: no problem, i'll find it!! Thanks for the help!
07:23.01swimgreat
07:23.01daedalus_tim: no problem
07:23.07foozi can't make my stupid video to stay on while resuming from suspend while in X
07:23.19Radius_VectorIm running out of space on my / partition , I have another free partition, is there a way I can set up debian to use the free partition as soon as my / is filled up?
07:23.22ArchitectSinanliable: it worked thx :)
07:23.32liableswim: are you sure your sources list says sid? (not unstable?)
07:23.37liableArchitectSinan: np.
07:23.50swimliable, no they unstable... whats the difference
07:24.04liableswim: try sid, update and try again.
07:24.23daedalus_radius_vector: it doesn't work like that.
07:24.40Radius_Vectordaedalus_: I heard something about symbolic links?
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07:24.43liableswim: I had a problem with libdirectfb not long ago.
07:24.43anothermikeymikey!
07:24.50anothermikeywhat are you doing using my nickname?
07:24.50yeroh man, one ciggy left... :( no stores open at 3:30am either
07:25.02GuerinRadius_Vector: cp -a /usr /mnt/newpartition && rm -rf /usr/* then mount /dev/newpartition mnt/usr
07:25.04ArchitectSinanliable: Now i started my X with "startx". But i don't know how to switch to another WM like KDE. I remember there was a tool named "switchwm". But there's no tool named "switchwm" on my machine. How can i switch to another WM ?
07:25.05mikey:D
07:25.06mikeytata
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07:25.15simonrvnfooz: i've seen some people exit x before they suspended, and it worked fine. mind you, this was on powerbooks/ibooks
07:25.30foozi don't want to exit X though
07:25.34maherRadius_Vector: the easiest thing to do is mount the drive somewhere (eg /mnt/extraspace) and then copy some stuff into it and make symlinks
07:25.36liableArchitectSinan: startkde.
07:25.45yerohh! tiem to pick my packages to install! bbl
07:25.49ArchitectSinanliable: perfect, thx again :)
07:25.52foozactually the problem is.. i suspend when the laptop's lid is closed
07:26.01Radius_Vectormaher: Ok, spose I move all of my /usr onto /mnt/newpartition, how do I setup the simlink
07:26.08daedalus_Radius_Vector: That's not how you probably want to go about it.  Depending upon the size of your current drive and new partion, you're going to want to transfer some root level directory over to your new partition
07:26.08foozthe lid switch causes the firmware to shut off video (no way around that?)
07:26.23Radius_Vectordaedalus_: Isnt /usr the biggest in the / partition?
07:26.24foozand it seems on coming back from sleep, the firmware forgets to turn it back on
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07:26.42maherRadius_Vector: what about /home
07:26.46foozor it may be the problem's in X itself.. it's baffling
07:26.52ArchitectSinanliable: "startkde" returns me an error line saying "kpersonalizer: cannot connect to xserver"
07:26.56liablefooz: /etc/acpi/events actions, adjust accordingly. (if it uses acpi)
07:26.59swimliable, ah that did it thank you
07:26.59daedalus_Radius_vector: Sometimes. :)  You can do a du -s / to see what's using what
07:27.00Radius_Vectormaher: Home is fine, its on a diff partition
07:27.09foozI come back from suspend, and there's no video. I can change consoles (control-alt-Fx) to an FB console, and video turns back on
07:27.11simonrvnfooz: oh, i see
07:27.12foozfor that console
07:27.14GuerinArchitectSinan: got an x server installed?
07:27.24foozall the text consoles work fine.. but if I switch back to X, video shuts back off
07:27.31simonrvnouch.
07:27.32ArchitectSinanGuerin: i selected i810 for my machine
07:27.42liableArchitectSinan: kde seems to be a bitch to start without a dm for some reason..
07:27.43daedalus_Radius_Vector: du -sh / if you want to be able to read it I suppose.
07:27.45GuerinArchitectSinan: i'm guessing that means you do.
07:27.49ArchitectSinanGuerin: and startx works on 800x600 at 86Hz
07:28.27ArchitectSinanGuerin: My machine has an onboard intel extreme graphics card from i865GV chipset
07:28.31fooznormal tricks like chvt to a console don't work, because the lid switch has already shut the video off at that point
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07:28.36maherRadius_Vector: ok - move some stuff over - try not to break the paths to the binaries while you're doing it...
07:28.38GuerinArchitectSinan: so i hear
07:28.41liableArchitectSinan: try making it default, then try startx.
07:28.48GuerinArchitectSinan: apt-get install kdm, see if that works
07:29.00liableit will, betcha..
07:29.05Guerinor try startx /usr/bin/startkde
07:29.11foozif instead of closing the lid, i push the lid switch long enough to send the ACPI event, but let go before the ACPI script runs, it works fine.. (letting go turns the video back on, it suspends with the video on, and wakes up with the video on)
07:29.22mang:/ how can i make apt-get install a package ie synaptic from roots desktop ;/
07:29.30ArchitectSinanGuerin: ok, i'll install kdm
07:29.37Guerinmang: apt-get install synaptic
07:29.42mangi did :/
07:29.44Radius_Vectormaher: Im just moving usr, im safe right? or Im not?
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07:29.46mangit cant find it
07:29.56Guerinmang: synaptic &
07:30.00Guerinmang: in a shell
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07:30.15maherRadius_Vector: you will probaby temporarily break the paths to /usr/bin etc but this should be ok
07:30.24mangGuerin nup
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07:30.35Radius_Vectormaher: Ok, suppose I move it to /dev/hda5, how do i set up the symlink
07:30.45mangi think i have to tell apt-get to use testing ?
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07:31.05liablemang: to install synaptic?
07:31.08ubuntu_;j sobral
07:31.10Guerinmang: no.
07:31.19mang:/
07:31.21daedalus_maher: I'd suggest mounting it in temp space, moving a directory structure, and then mounting the partition in the proper place... no symlink nonsense
07:31.22Guerinmang: did it install correctly?
07:31.32mangits not install ;/
07:31.38mangapt-get aint installing it
07:31.38Guerinmang: so fucking install it
07:31.45liablemang: did you spell it right?
07:31.47mangits not in stable
07:31.47Guerinmang: why not? what does it say?
07:31.48ArchitectSinanGuerin: As far as i know "kdm" is the KDE version of the GDM ?
07:31.53Guerin!info synaptic sarge
07:31.57GuerinArchitectSinan: y
07:32.03daedalus_mang: define "not installing it"
07:32.04dpkgsynaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.55+cvs20050503-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1650 kB, Installed size: 5012 kB
07:32.14Guerinsynaptic IS SO TOO in sarge
07:32.15ArchitectSinanGuerin: If so i don't want to boot into graphical screen, i want to see shell prompt first
07:32.18mang:/
07:32.19maherdaedalus_: but spose he wants say /usr and something else on the extra drive?
07:32.26ArchitectSinanGuerin: then KDM solution is not suitable for me
07:32.29GuerinArchitectSinan: that's doable, just see if it works now
07:32.50timdaedalus: if your interested: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html
07:32.54GuerinArchitectSinan: it shouldn't, fwiw, but who knows what kde does
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07:33.27maherRadius_Vector: so mount /dev/hda5 on /mnt/extra, then mv /usr /mnt/extra, then ln -s /mnt/extra /usr
07:33.31ArchitectSinanGuerin: ok guerin , i installed KDM and rebooting
07:33.33daedalus_maher: He should split his new space into more partitions and mount those partitions accordingly
07:33.38GuerinArchitectSinan: don't reboot
07:33.41daedalus_tim: thanks
07:33.51Radius_Vectormaher: ok thanks and then do I have to add /dev/hda5 to fstab?
07:33.55Guerinjust run /etc/init.d/kdm start; as root
07:34.06maherRadius_Vector: yes
07:34.10ArchitectSinanGuerin: how can i see if it boots into graphical login screen without rebooting ?
07:34.22GuerinArchitectSinan: this is an experiment.
07:34.29ArchitectSinanGuerin: k
07:34.49GuerinArchitectSinan: start kdm as i told you, then try to log into kde using it. Then we see about something more permanent
07:34.56maherdaedalus_: Radius_Vector: try to change partition sizes when they fill up is somewhat inconvenient - if you really want to do that use lvm
07:35.20Radius_Vectormaher: is it possible to resize the partition without losing the data?
07:35.30Radius_Vectormaher: That would be the best option for me.
07:35.30GuerinRadius_Vector: generally not
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07:36.00GuerinRadius_Vector: there are tools to do it, but i wouldn't trust 'em.
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07:36.10daedalus_maher: Where did that come from? I didn't see anything said about resizing
07:36.12ArchitectSinanGuerin: unfortunately i already rebooted my machine and i see the KDM's login screen :(
07:36.19ArchitectSinanGuerin: What should i do now ?
07:36.20maherRadius_Vector: parted can do this but how easy it is depends on what order the partitions are on disc
07:36.26GuerinArchitectSinan: try to log into kde
07:36.35ArchitectSinanGuerin: i logged on
07:36.39GuerinArchitectSinan: working?
07:36.42Radius_Vectormaher: What do you mean, what order?
07:36.48ArchitectSinanGuerin: yes
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07:37.06GuerinArchitectSinan: ok, drop back to a root shell and do /etc/init.d/kdm stop
07:37.08daedalus_maher: Whatever. You're in the driver's seat now.
07:37.48maherdaedalus_: so you run out of space and split the spare space into two partitions for /usr and /var say, but then you run out of space again and you want to re-arrange the partitions again....
07:38.09Radius_Vectormaher: K, how do I start up the partitioner, im yet to format the free space
07:38.20ArchitectSinanGuerin: yep my KDE shut down, i'm on my good old prompt :)
07:38.24maherRadius_Vector: its easy to use parted to add spare space at the end of the disc to the last partition - it is not so easy to add it to the first partiiton
07:38.37GuerinArchitectSinan: as user, do start /usr/bin/startkde
07:38.38Guerinbah
07:38.42GuerinArchitectSinan: as user, do startx /usr/bin/startkde
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07:39.31Radius_Vectormaher: unfortunately my / is on my first partition :( anyways I dont have a problem with symlinks, it should be fine for me.Id just like to know how I startup the partitioner
07:39.49maherRadius_Vector: man parted - i don't remember the details offhand
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07:40.26Radius_Vectormaher: Ive not installed parted yet. How about the good ol' debconf partitioner that comes with the debian installation?
07:40.51Phatedcfdisk?
07:40.54maherRadius_Vector: dunno - it probably uses parted if it canresize partitions
07:41.07ArchitectSinanGuerin: /usr/bin/startkde returned me some errors. The first line is from "xsetroot:" and it tells me "unable to open display '' "
07:41.10Guerini don't believe the install partitioner can resize partitions
07:41.15Radius_Vectormaher: Im afraid I cant take that risk, too much valuable data on /
07:41.33Radius_Vectormaher: How can I startup the debconf partitioner?
07:41.34swimare there directfb pkgs ?
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07:41.43daedalus_maher: Planning, dilligence, and proper archiving?  If you want to run on the ragged edge of space, a monolithic partition offers the most flexibility. The other option is a raid or lvm setup.
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07:42.04qwertz_HI! I've got a Primergy Server where I can't activate DMA for IDE, hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda brings "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted"  lspci states "0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: ServerWorks CSB6 RAID/IDE Controller (rev a0)" serverworks module is loaded - any help?
07:42.21GuerinArchitectSinan: ok. look into those errors, then. put them up on a httpd and people can pick them over
07:42.38Radius_Vectordaedalus_: do you know how to start the debian partitioner? the debconf one
07:42.39IcoBgrhi everyone. I have a problem with compile of dpkg_1.10.27.tar.gz
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07:42.58liableIcoBgr: why are you compiling it?
07:43.01daedalus_maher: symlinking your directories around seems like a pretty big kludge to me... But I suppose if you are squeezed for space it does offer the best efficiency for the situation
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07:43.34ArchitectSinanGuerin: i think we should better delay this, i gotta leave the office. Thanks for all Guerin
07:43.38IcoBgrliable: Because it is a step from compiling OpenOffice.org
07:43.40Radius_Vectordaedalus_: Does symlink increase the hard disk read time?
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07:43.49daedalus_Radius_Vector: Nope. I haven't seen a re-partitioner that comes with a guarantee of "Yeah, this won't eat your data". I suggest following maher's advice
07:44.12liableIcoBgr: hmm, ok, try googling the error, usually works for me.
07:44.32Radius_Vectordaedalus_: This is free space im trying to format.
07:44.49daedalus_Radius_Vector: Symlinking cannot increase the read time. It will be infinitesimally slower than a direct mount, but not a significant slowdown
07:45.08maherdaedalus_: its kludgy but avoids the problem of a single disc failure taking out all your data which you get with lvm, unless you run lvm on top of raid of course...
07:45.39daedalus_Radius_Vector: mke2fs perhaps?
07:45.54Radius_Vectordaedalus_: k trying it
07:46.39Radius_Vectordaedalus_: Umm, no, ive not even partitioned the space right, its in chunks of 5 gigs and 50 gigs of free space.I want to make it 25-30
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07:46.42daedalus_Radius_Vector: I suggest reading the man page first.  You're using tools that will totally eat your system if you hand them the wrong device handle
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07:46.57daedalus_Radius_Vector: Oh.  fdisk then
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07:47.30Radius_Vectordaedalus_: I like debconf :) im a noob, i guess.
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07:48.03maherRadius_Vector: if this data is important to you back it up before playing with the partition table
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07:48.26daedalus_maher: Good point on the lvm.
07:48.49Radius_Vectormaher: Mm-hmm , k. Is there a GUI / Debconf based partitioner? Im sorta queasy when it comes to playing with my system with just a console :-S
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07:49.38javahowdy all
07:49.40javalooking at installing java on my devian box.
07:49.42javaanyone know the base install so i can apt-get it ?
07:49.48thebonemandebian*
07:49.50maherRadius_Vector: fdisk is menu driven - I'm sure you can cope
07:49.59thebonemantell java java-package
07:50.06maherjava: use java-package
07:50.09stewjava: /topic ; /msg dpkg java
07:50.45Radius_Vectormaher: Can you please tell me the exact command? I have two partitions currently, one for / and the other for /home
07:51.00Radius_Vectormaher: and 55 gigs of free space
07:51.15Xytek^Can, anyone help me... im considering running linux, if I'm to download Debian, do i need all 8 CD's? are they neccissary, sorry, im a total newbie :D
07:51.22ArchitectSinantake care guys
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07:51.31Xytek^and I know absolutely nothing, lol :D
07:51.32Radius_VectorXytek^: No way , get the minimal install if you want, based on your need.
07:51.36stewXytek^: you only need one, /msg dpkg netinst
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07:52.09furball`What could cause 'Loading modules...(\n)ide-cd(\n)FATAL: Module ide-cd not found.' at bootup time among with ide-detect,ide-disk,psmouse,sound and ac97_codec modules? I'm fairly sure I've compiled them built in the kernel rather than modules
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07:52.24maherRadius_Vector: is this all on the one hd?
07:52.31Xytek^I just don't want to use windows no more, I hate it lol :D
07:52.33n_I just recently got my alsa drivers to start working with snd_hda_intel, and now my headphone jack doesn't work; in fact,  the alsamixer control for headphones controls the builtin speakers. Any advice?
07:52.33Radius_Vectormaher: yes
07:52.48zortonfurball`: depmod might not have found out about it yet
07:53.03javawhere is java normally compiled to ?
07:53.07zortonfurball`: errr...nevermind I didn't read your message closely, nm
07:53.13maherRadius_Vector: you probbaly don't want to mess with the partition table while the partitions are mounted so you will need a boot disk with fdisk onit
07:53.17java./usr/local/~ ?
07:53.27stewjava: what do you mean? .java files? or the jre/jdk?
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07:53.47furball`That's a 2.6 kernel... I've read that it doesn't need depmod even if I compile them as modules? Or am I missing something?
07:53.49daedalus_Radius_Vector: Get into fdisk (fdisk /dev/hd... ) and hit 'm'
07:53.55maherjava: install java-package - read the instructions
07:54.01Radius_Vectormaher: Im on a notebook without a floppy/CDRW drive so, there goes lol. But prolly I can stick in the debian CD and go directly to the partitioner
07:54.02javastew: watever the apt-get install java-package installs
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07:54.07Dumannhow to take a program compiled from source and turn it into a debian package
07:54.13javamaher: i apt-get it.
07:54.16stewjava: dpkg -L java-package
07:54.30stewDumann: /msg dpkg mg
07:54.38javathankyou.
07:54.39Dumanncool, thnx m8
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07:54.48valdynDumann: debian package for what purpose?
07:54.54maherRadius_Vector: that should work
07:55.07Radius_Vectormaher: daedalus_ : Thanks for the help, guys,
07:55.18Dumanneuh i dun really know. but some dude is helping me with re-compiling my kernel because i want to have the -string option in iptables
07:55.27Dumannand he said i had to go ask this question
07:55.31stewDumann: /msg dpkg kp
07:55.49Xytek^does Debian come with KDE or Gnome? or are they relatively easy to install, I'll pick up quickly.. i think.
07:55.50Dumanneuh what is difference between mg and kp
07:56.03valdynDumann: you don't need to really create a debian packagefor that, make-kpkg does that for you
07:56.09javaso after apt-get install java-package that should be installed correct ?
07:56.23daedalus_Dumann: kp is for kernel package
07:56.29stewjava: java-package is, then you are ready to install a jre or a jdk after you download one
07:56.36javaso if i was needing to export a classpath what would i input as the location ?
07:56.39maherjava: man make-jpkg
07:56.41javacause /usr/share show's a fair few
07:57.00timif i wanted to copy my exisiting system onto a cd and install it to antoher pc... what is that called/how do i do it?
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07:57.07valdynjava: it shows which java implementations you can create debian packages for.
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07:57.40javaso if i was to want jdk , how would i go about it?
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07:58.00mahertim: bootcd
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07:58.01valdynjava: by reading the documentation to java-package in /usr/share/doc/java-package
07:58.37timmaher: thanks, got it
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08:00.58stewXytek^: it comes with both, they are easy to install /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome
08:01.03IcoBgr1sorry about unexpected leav. My CPU overheat
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08:01.37unomehow to make mail going to root go to a regular user? (mainly security alerts)
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08:01.53ethicsIcoBgr1, insert real cooling fan here
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08:02.19maherunome: edit /etc/aliases
08:02.25unomethx
08:03.03IcoBgrthe problem is in the power supplay. It start to heat. Nevermind. My problem is in compiling dpkg_1.10.27.tar.gz
08:03.23stewunome: if you edit that file you need to run newaliases
08:03.54Xytek^does anyone use KDE w/ debian? I don't really know anything about linux, infact I've never used it, thats why im here :o is there anywhere i have to go, to get KDE or a "GUI" ?
08:04.13stewXytek^: apt-get install kde
08:04.25unomestew: thx for the suggestions, root mail goes to the FIRST user created at install, all I want to do is forward that mail to another user.
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08:05.02Xytek^okay, well ill just install debian, and keep windows installed, cause i really have no idea what im doing lol :D
08:05.09werdnaxocwwhere does apt keep the .deb package it downloads
08:05.23resiakwerdnaxoc: /var/cache/apt/
08:05.31werdnaxocthank you resiak
08:05.39stewunome: the format of /etc/aliases should be pretty obvious, if not man 5 aliases
08:05.53unome10/4
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08:06.29stew2
08:07.57werdnaxocif I have kernel-source-2.4.27_2.4.27-10_all.deb  How do I install and configure that file?
08:08.23ethicswerdnaxoc, dpkg -i pkg
08:09.11werdnaxocwhre does it install to, it does not show me
08:09.22ethicswerdnaxoc, however normall you would apt get kernel source or use pristines
08:09.29stewwerdnaxoc: dpkg -L package
08:09.48ethicswerdnaxoc, dpkg -L pkg shows paths etc but it will be  a gzip in /usr/src
08:10.30stewa .tar.bz2
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08:11.05werdnaxocnow ther eis some mantra to this
08:11.15werdnaxocI am in the unzipp .tar.bz2
08:11.31simonrvnman tar. tar jxf
08:11.43werdnaxocmake-dpkg
08:11.45simonrvnwhat's that tar factoid again?
08:11.49simonrvn!tar
08:11.50dpkgExtract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory"
08:11.54simonrvnthere ya go
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08:12.15werdnaxoc!make-dpkg
08:12.26stewwerdnaxoc: /msg dpkg kp
08:12.32simonrvnask it about kernel-package
08:12.38simonrvnor kp, yeh
08:16.06unome!apt-file
08:16.06dpkgapt-file is, like, util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo
08:16.09Xytek^Sorry guys, Will Debian install my hardware, or will i need to look for drivers? if so where would i look?
08:17.08simonrvnno it won't install the hardware, you do that. linux kernel is a linux kernel. difference will be in patches, and version
08:17.14ethicsXytek^, alot of hardware is supported unless you have really new stuff....depends really but most things work
08:17.29simonrvnwhat he said
08:17.42Xytek^okay, well most of the hardware im worried about is a year or two older.. anyway
08:17.48Xytek^video/sound/network etc..
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08:18.08ethicsif it was popular gear itll prolly work in some fashin 8)
08:18.09simonrvnnp then
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08:18.31simonrvnthat age probably even not so popular stuff works
08:18.35Vibhutii have given a iprangein squid
08:18.54Vibhutiit is 192.168.10.160-192.168.10.225/24
08:19.06Vibhutihowver this is not working
08:19.09Xytek^the video card is a GeForce4 MX 440 & sound is SB Audigy Gamer :o)
08:19.14stew!tell theboneman about away
08:19.17Vibhutisome problem with netmask
08:19.17Xytek^network is onboard... so it should work.
08:19.37simonrvnVibhuti: context? only thing we know is that you have a rnge of IPs you wanna conf squid for
08:19.40Vibhutiwhat's the solution
08:19.48Vibhutiyes
08:19.49ethicsVibhuti, netmask should look like 255.255.255.0/24 i think
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08:20.00Vibhutinetmask is the problem
08:20.11javaok i'm receivng no matching plug found
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08:20.16javaanany thoughts ???
08:20.17simonrvn255.255.255.0 is an example of a netmask
08:20.38javawhen tring to fakeroot fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk.sh
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08:20.54Vibhutii did give it 192.168.10.160-192.168.10.225/255.255.255.0
08:21.02Vibhutiits giving an warning
08:21.06Vibhutinot working
08:21.06simonrvnso what's the format it's asking for? there's a few you can do
08:21.23Vibhutii have checked the squid site
08:21.28ethicsVibhuti, the warning may help you 8)
08:21.28simonrvnthat isn't a /24 anyway
08:21.31Vibhutino specifications found
08:21.42simonrvnit's smaller
08:21.45Vibhutithey have merely said iprange/netmask
08:21.49yerI like this aptitude thing
08:21.58stewVibhuti: that doens't seem to make sense, 192.168.10.xxx/25 == 192.168.10.0-192.168.10-255
08:22.08stewVibhuti: try dropping the /24 completely
08:22.13simonrvnVibhuti: apt-get install ipcalc
08:22.29simonrvnfish vs. fishing pole thing
08:22.35stewyup
08:22.45stewjust give him a friggen fish, i say :)
08:22.45theboneman???
08:22.48javastew: why am i receivng no matching plugins found ??
08:23.11simonrvnwell, i like giving the fish, then the fishing pole. they might not get a fish the first try ;)
08:23.20simonrvn(at the same time i mean)
08:23.42stewjava: you are probably installing a brand spanking new version of java 1.5 that has no matching driver in make-jpkg
08:24.10stewjava: read /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED
08:24.23stewsimonrvn: heh
08:25.22simonrvnyay, soon i'll be able to stick in this p3 into this thing
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08:25.48valdynjava: which jdk are you trying to install? sids java-package does support the latest by sun.
08:26.11stewi hope he isn't running sid
08:26.18simonrvnbetter not ;)
08:26.30stewbetter not get my hopes up?
08:26.52simonrvnbe running sid
08:26.52javavaldyn: i just want to be able to run java based progs in debina linux.
08:26.54javatis all
08:27.09valdynjava: so please answer my question.
08:27.15Guerin!install java
08:27.16dpkgFirst, read <java licensing>.  Still here?  If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>.  If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto>
08:27.25stewoh we're way beyond that
08:27.34Guerinshouldn't need to be
08:27.37Xytek^Sorry.. again.. wow.. uhm what file format should i partition the drive as? I have partition magic 8.0, and theres like Linux Swap (im asuming thats like windows pagefile) Linux ext2 and Linux ext3..
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08:27.46Guerinthat's about where the buck stops as far as java goes
08:27.57GuerinXytek^: ext3
08:28.17Xytek^Thank-You Kindly :)
08:28.18GuerinXytek^: but i'd advise against using a windows app to format a linux partition
08:29.06Xytek^Well, I don't know how to use linux at all lol, so ill be stuck if i dont have windows installed to come and read the tutorials and junk lol :x
08:29.38stewXytek^: just use partition magic to create some free space, and let the debian installer partition and format the free space
08:29.50stewXytek^: and of course, make a backup first
08:30.13Xytek^Thanks :)
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08:30.52javavaldyn: i don't know
08:31.05javavaldyn: i assumed you just need to apt-get install java-package and away i go.
08:31.34java!ask
08:31.35dpkgIf you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)!  Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person.  Thanks!
08:31.41java!ask java-package
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08:32.20valdynjava: why assume when its well documented.
08:32.38javawell obviously i don't understand it after read the man.
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08:32.45javasorry for being a geeban
08:32.47stewjava: debian can't provide java for you becuase of java's licensing
08:32.48javai'll got back to the man file.
08:33.01valdynjava: java-package contains a tool ( make-jpkg)
08:33.09timso I've got bootcd installed and when I try to write the file, it says "wrong definition of kernel"... how do I find that out?
08:33.10javastew: i just want java support. i can run a eggdrop which has a java plugin.
08:33.21stewjava: you are almost there, you just need to pick a jdk listed in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED
08:33.33javaok what is jdk ?
08:33.33stewinstead you picked one that was too new
08:33.36valdynjava: that tool is used to create a .deb file from a java distribution file. that .deb file can thereafter be installed with dpkg -i.
08:33.46javastew: ok, cool thankyou.
08:33.49stewjava: sorry, i meant jre == java runtime environment
08:34.02javaexcellent.
08:34.04valdynjava: jdk == java development kit
08:34.11javacool.
08:34.15javamakes a little more sence now :P
08:34.16javaw00t
08:34.17javata guys
08:34.25steweasy
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08:35.46zap_i have a dvd-ram (/dev/sr1) where fdisk recgonized a single partition on a given disc. how do i access this partition (/dev/sr1 certainly refers to the entire device)? note that /sys/block/sr1 does not contain the partition.
08:35.50simonrvnoh gawds, how lame. someone upset about london getting the stupid olympics? sheesh, they went totally corporate way back when the summer games were in atlanta, and even before, so wtf get upset over something so inane?
08:35.53Xytek^If i was to just format, with no experience with linux would i have a problem getting it running? lol. i have 2 other windows based computers, but i'd like to keep windows installed for gaming (CS etc, unless linux can play?).
08:36.48simonrvnum, at least one person told you how to do that. go do it
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08:36.58stewsimonrvn: on a NYC subway last night i saw that one of the local papers (ny post?) was running the headline "At least it wasn't Paris"
08:37.07simonrvn...
08:37.09valdynXytek^: keep your windows. even though linux could play CS
08:37.27simonrvni like my windows in the walls, thankyouverymuch ;)
08:37.40Xytek^lol aiigh, well I have to learn somehow.. :o
08:37.40javaok one question
08:38.13javawhy do they list the plugins in /usr/share/java-package/ if when you make-jpkg them it doesn't allow you to ??
08:38.15javai.e.
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08:38.27javafakeroot make-jpkg common.sh
08:38.27javaCreating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXsInGFa
08:38.27javaLoading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh
08:38.27javaNo matching plugin was found.
08:38.27javaRemoving temporary directory: done
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08:38.29Guerinbah
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08:38.34simonrvnwhatever you do, don't paste it here...
08:38.34javawoops
08:38.37simonrvntoo late...
08:38.39javaya :(
08:38.44java#flood
08:38.44java:P
08:38.44Gueringo cold-turkey to unix]
08:38.52Guerinat least on the machine you use most
08:39.01simonrvni did =)
08:39.01Xytek^also, one more question, should I make a linux swap drive? or w/e its called? for extra ram.. like pagefile?
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08:39.11Guerinif you really need to keep sucking on the microsoft tit, keep it on a different machine
08:39.11Dumannhello
08:39.18valdynjava: im sure no java distribution is called 'common.sh'
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08:39.27simonrvnwell, almost. 6 months after i started using *nix i went full-time, or 99% linux
08:39.31Dumannwhere does the file go when i compile kernel with make-kpkg ?
08:39.40stewDumann: /usr/src
08:39.41simonrvnwhich file?
08:39.42valdynjava: so how the hell should java-package know about 'common.sh'
08:39.48Dumanncool, thanks again :D
08:39.51GuerinDumann: ..
08:39.55simonrvnthere's *a lot* of files in there ;)
08:40.01Dumannwhy .. ?
08:40.10GuerinDumann: the parent of wherever you ran make-kpkg
08:40.13Guerin../
08:40.16Xytek^simonrvn: I'll probably do the same, once i know what the hell im doing lol :D
08:40.17Guerinyou know?
08:40.22Lynouremake menuconfig (for making a kernel) in Sarge complains that ncurses-devel nees to be installed, but that package does not see to be in Sarge. What to do?
08:40.24Dumannno ;)
08:40.28simonrvnbasic unix knowledge
08:40.32Guerin!make menuconfig
08:40.33dpkgIf make menuconfig doesn't work because it says ncurses isn't installed, but ncurses is installed, you need to do 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev'
08:40.47simonrvncd ..; ls -l *.deb. you should see it
08:40.48valdynLynoure: apt-get install libncurses5-dev
08:40.49Xytek^I have a couple books here, so We'll see :)
08:40.56Lynourethanks
08:41.05stewbooks are so 20th century
08:41.13Guerinbooks are great
08:41.14simonrvn(i did the cd command to illustrate ..)
08:41.19valdynLynoure: the error message is not made by debian and so does not hint at a debian package.
08:41.32javavaldyn: it's in java-packages.
08:41.47javahmmm
08:41.48javaomg
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08:41.53javaignore my ignorance.
08:42.03stewplonk?
08:42.11Lynourevaldyn: I'd still consider a bug in packaging
08:42.17valdynjava: this isnt hard, you type "make-jpkg j2re-whateverthefuck", i have no idea why you think common.sh could be turned magically into a java distro
08:42.28javaya ya :(
08:42.36javalol was spinning out their for a tick.
08:42.39simonrvnbooks still have their place; though i think they're more of a meditative tool
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08:43.04Lynourevaldyn: especially as previously, iirc, ncurses-devel that it tells one to exists was exactly by that name
08:43.18simonrvnno such package.
08:43.20Lynoures/exists/install
08:43.28simonrvn!info ncurses-devel
08:43.31Xytek^im just going to take windows right off, Ill go use another computer in the house if i Need help w/ this lol :D
08:43.34valdynLynoure: sure, true
08:43.48simonrvndpkg Package 'ncurses-devel' does not exist.
08:43.57Lynoureoh, then I recall wrong :)
08:44.02stewLynoure: no, the naming of packages is strict, and ncurses-devel would not follow debian's policy
08:44.11simonrvnthat's a redhat-like thang
08:44.30javavaldyn: hmmm, now hold your tung. I'm still getting the same message
08:44.32simonrvnlibncurses5-dev
08:44.55simonrvner, not to be a spelling nazi, but it's 'tongue'
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08:45.09valdynjava: i know i look like a mindreader, but i am not: which exact command gives which exact error?
08:45.12coll<PROTECTED>
08:45.22doleybcoll: try zless
08:45.41davi_what paca
08:45.49Lynourestew: I haven't yet taken one step towards being DDfied, so I'm occasionally forgetful of such things :)
08:45.54javavaldyn: take a look in flood
08:45.56javaplz
08:46.05davi_what package to watch the batery level ?
08:46.34valdynjava: ibm doesnt distribute a file called ibm-j2re1.3, so how did you find it?
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08:47.10valdynjava: as a blind guess: you didnt find that file and didnt download it, but just gave make-jpkg that name to chew on.
08:47.11javavaldyn: #flood
08:47.48valdynjava: 1) download java from somewhere 2) apply make-jpkg on it 3) dpkg  -i <that created deb>
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08:48.24colldoleyb: thanks that works
08:48.45javavaldyn: ok so apt-get install java-packages  does what ??
08:48.50javajust downloads the java-packages ?
08:49.03valdynjava: nope
08:49.10javavaldyn: then what does it do ??
08:49.18valdynjava: type 'apt-cache show java-package'
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08:50.03doleybit gets you a program that will install a java package you got from elsewhere, like sun.com
08:50.15bob2hrm
08:50.25thebonemandude install darwin HAhAhA
08:50.28thebonemanj
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08:50.54liableI dont get it.
08:51.19Dumannwhat was that other debian command for installing programs (not the kernel one)
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08:51.43collthe ../kernel-package/README.gz talks about doing make-kpkg with initrd support or not, how can i check if im booting like that or not?
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08:53.23liablecoll: if your gonna try making a kernel, maybe you should read a few docs about it. Most howto's/tutorials talk about initrd.
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08:53.46bob2Dumann: sudo apt-get install blah
08:54.30collwell im reading all the docs i can. that README seems well documented
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08:54.40collit is just a bit obsecure
08:55.16werdnaxocI note that you are using the --revision flag with the value
08:55.16werdnaxoc<PROTECTED>
08:55.16werdnaxocHowever, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value
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08:55.27werdnaxocwhy does it do taht?
08:55.35valdyncoll: you would need to read the kernel boot log, try /var/log/boot* , to be certain. you could also look at the grub line you are booting, you could read /boot/grub/menu.lst
08:55.40simonrvnbecause you pasted in here you dumbass
08:55.47werdnaxocI wI want to make a new revision so I can get a .deb and install that
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08:56.16valdynwerdnaxoc: make-kpkg clean
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08:56.41werdnaxocdpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type i386-linux does not match gcc system type i686-pc-linux-gnu.
08:56.42ixionwhen I open VLC I get: no font for displaying text "Western European (ISO-8859-51) found. would you like to select a font.... anyoe know who to fix this? its stopping VLC from starting gracefully
08:56.50werdnaxocdpkg-architecture: warning: Unknown gcc system type i686-pc-linux-gnu, falling back to default (native compilation)
08:57.20simonrvnhow ya doing?
08:57.49cafuegoNot too good, drooling a lot these days. Reverting to childhood.
08:57.56simonrvnhehe
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08:58.01werdnaxocthis calls for a netinstall
08:58.10werdnaxocOff off and away into the jungle!!!
08:58.33iraklihi
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08:58.42simonrvnthe jungle of cat5 cable under the desk
08:58.50irakliiI want to install fonts
08:58.54irakli??
08:58.57simonrvnso do
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08:59.03simonrvnman apt-cache
08:59.06irakliI dont know how?
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08:59.21simonrvnfind some you want to install first, then install them
08:59.23beltorakhey all;
08:59.34irakliI need georgian
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08:59.59simonrvneastern europe and cyrillic fonts are available
09:00.04cafuegoEh, netinstalls are done via wireless ;-)
09:00.21simonrvni still don't trust wireless
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09:00.35cafuegohas it ever brtrayed you?
09:00.36ixionI've done: apt-get install xfonts-intl-european
09:00.39ixionbut still get
09:00.40ixionwhen I open VLC I get: no font for displaying text "Western European (ISO-8859-51) found. would you like to select a font.... anyoe know who to fix this? its stopping VLC from starting gracefully
09:00.44DA_neither do i... although ive heard good things about bluetooth
09:00.46simonrvnno, since i never use it ;)
09:00.57ixionthats the only european font I see in apt cache
09:00.59cafuegoixion: ISO-8859-15; not 51
09:01.11beltorakalright; how would i install a program that I have the sources to using the debian package management system?  apt-get install is a nogo (for complicated reasons)
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09:01.16Dumannhow to compile and create a debian package from sources? do i have to do that with dpkg-deb ?
09:01.25ixionok, typo, but I still cant find anything in apt... do you know what package I am after?
09:01.26simonrvnwestern european is either -1, or -15 (-15 has the euro symbol)
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09:01.41jetxapt-cache search ttf
09:01.46cafuegoixion: use -UTF8 anyway
09:01.55simonrvncafuego: indeed :)
09:02.15cafuegoindééd
09:02.19simonrvnhehe
09:02.23irakliso what have I do first?\
09:02.32ixioncafuego: how do I acheive that?
09:02.36simonrvninstall it, and they will come
09:02.40cafuegoirakli: Install the right fonts
09:03.00cafuegoapt-cache search cyrillic
09:03.03cafuegoTake your pick
09:03.06ixionapt-cache search font | grep UTF || not much there
09:03.25simonrvnum
09:03.25iraklijetx apt-cache search ttf
09:03.31cafuegoixion: The fonts have nothing to do with that. Just set the locale to xx_XX@UTF8
09:03.57simonrvnfonts just do the display, they don't handle your locale
09:04.15Whisky_Can I install Linux on my nokia 6630 smart phone ?
09:04.16simonrvn(display of characters i mean)
09:04.23cafuegoWhisky_: I doubt it
09:04.33Whisky_hmmmm
09:04.34simonrvnWhisky_: bothered to do any research on it yet?
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09:04.39DA_my coffee maker runs linux...
09:04.50jetx!coffee
09:04.51dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes
09:04.53simonrvnmy coffee maker runs water
09:04.57Whisky_:O
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09:05.03Whisky_Smart coffee maker....
09:05.07cafuegomy coffee maker runs steam
09:05.09DA_see? its all because of my linux powered coffee maker
09:05.13cafuegowell, some of the others use water
09:05.18thebonemanmy coffee maker runs debian
09:05.30Whisky_mine runs electricity
09:05.36thebonemanmy psp runs linux
09:05.48jetxin Soviet Russia, coffee maker runs you
09:05.49simonrvnmine runs off of bio-gas ;p (not really)
09:05.52Whisky_lol
09:05.58cafuegoOoh, thatÅ›  bad!
09:05.59simonrvnjetx: heh
09:06.03cafuegothat's too
09:06.12Whisky_actually, my phone runs on Premium Fuel
09:06.18simonrvnaccents took over your mind, eh? ;P
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09:06.32DA_heh seems that way
09:06.46cafuegosimonrvn: Getting used to the accented entry
09:06.48ixioncafuego: I cant figure out how to change the locale, am I supposed to be doing it from shell? using localedef or something?
09:07.06cafuegosimonrvn: can use justa  quote, need to do quote-space or I can get a damn í
09:07.13Whisky_by the way
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09:07.24Whisky_New Smart phones announced by Nokia will be running linux -_-
09:07.25cafuegoixion: dpkg-reconfigure locales; locale-gen
09:07.27DA_ixion: you might also try asking dpkg about some of this stuff. hes got all the answers...
09:07.33simonrvnoh, yeh, i've seen that in some kbd layouts. rather strange
09:07.48cafuegosimonrvn: happy hacker - not quite as happy atm <heh>
09:07.56cafuegosimonrvn: Xorg is probably just fucking stuff up
09:07.57simonrvn*nods*
09:08.12irakliI wrote interminal  "sudo apt-cache search cyrillic"  what Have i do next?
09:08.23simonrvnoh, is xorg in sid yet? been off the net a while, was wondering /me checks the factoids
09:08.28DA_you dont need root to run apt-cache
09:08.31cafuegoirakli: Choose one or more of the packages it found and install them.
09:08.44Whisky_How do i delete all files ina  directory that start with the name "thisfile"
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09:08.58bbmjanyone know how to list only directories, no files, using ls. didn't find anything in the man.
09:09.00cafuegoWhisky_: rm directory/thisfile*
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09:09.21cafuegobbmj: ls -l * | grep ^d
09:09.44jetx- d
09:09.50ixionor ls .*
09:09.53jetxno, that doesn't desend
09:09.54Whisky_and what about the files that END with "thisfile"
09:09.58jetx-d i mena
09:10.05cafuegojetx: descending wasn a requirement
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09:10.15cafuegofind . -type d
09:10.27cafuegoWhisky_: rm directory/*thisfile
09:10.33jetxyeah so i said ooops no i wuz worng
09:10.57davi_What application to see the battery state ?
09:11.05Whisky_k
09:11.23ixioncafuego: thanks, I added and generated the locales but VLC is still telling me it cant find a font for displaying text in encoding "Western European...."
09:11.28jetxspeaking of find, initscripts still throws that find error when it's cleaning up /tmp on_boot
09:11.30cafuegodavi_: in X?
09:11.36davi_yes
09:12.14cafuegodavi_: I use the battery monitor applet in gnome
09:12.19cafuegodavi_: it requires acpi
09:12.30davi_cafuego, thanks
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09:12.58resiakdavi_: wmbattmon ?
09:13.16davi_let's see resiak
09:13.23cafuegowtf is synaptic insisting these packages are pinned?
09:13.27OldakQuillI've installed Java (on KDE), and want to run a .jar but cannot find any kind of interface software on the applications menu
09:13.29resiakdavi_: Not called that, sorry
09:13.35collso regarding that initrd implementation with lilo, i just looked at the lilo.conf and there's no presence of initrd there. just image=/vmliuz and the extra configuration beneath it. so im not using initrd, right?
09:13.38resiakdavi_: wmbattery
09:13.47resiakdavi_: (If you use a WM with a dock.)
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09:14.19davi_Ok, I see it now
09:14.41irakliI write in termianl "apt-cache search georgian" next?
09:14.41irakli<PROTECTED>
09:15.07irakliapt-cache search georgian
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09:16.04ixionyou didnt get any results did you ?
09:16.07OldakQuillAnyone help with running Java software?
09:16.17Overand!java
09:16.17dpkga platform independent OO language.  Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive.  Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away
09:16.32Overand!install java
09:16.33dpkgFirst, read <java licensing>.  Still here?  If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>.  If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto>
09:16.53OverandOldakQuill: can you handle it from here?
09:17.41Whisky_no matter how I use apt-get and whatever package i install/remove, i get the following errors.
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09:17.44paster"Whisky_" at 63.109.248.59 pasted "dpkg errors" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/324
09:17.54tetsuo69hi all
09:18.13OldakQuillYes, thanks
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09:18.37tetsuo69i had problems upgrading sarge, anyone can help?
09:19.03irakliI have promblem in intalation fonts
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09:19.32cafuegoWhisky_: Those are warnings, not errors.
09:19.41DA_cafuego: man whered you pick up that piece of crap spell checker? its not doing a damn thing!
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09:19.59cafuegoDA_: 2nd hand shop in germany
09:20.08Whisky_cafuego: My mistake. What should I do with it ?
09:20.19cafuegoWhisky_: Just ignore 'em
09:20.31baikonurI want to install openoffice.org on sid, but I get "openoffice.org-bin: Depends: libwpd8 but it is not installable" though libwpd8c2 should replace the packages. That's obviously a gcc 4.0 migration problem. Can I fix it manually?
09:20.49DA_cafuego: figures...
09:20.55cafuegoWhisky_: It means dpkg is just overwriting any files those packages may or may not have had on the system, which I expect is what you want anyway.
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09:21.31tetsuo69i changed my sources.list with mirrors for stable sarge, and now aptitude update doesn't work
09:21.35Whisky_yeah but it keeps on installing/removing and starting/stopping MysqlD
09:21.49Whisky_slap me for installing MySQL via apt-get
09:22.04cafuegoWhisky_: dpkg keeps on removing it?
09:22.22cafuegoWhisky_: is your /var read-only?
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09:22.33Whisky_No :/
09:22.40Whisky_dpkg does strange things
09:22.52Whisky_like i was installing mutt and it was starting/stopping MySQLd :/
09:22.56OldakQuill!java-install
09:23.06cafuegoWhisky_: Sounds like mysql is only half-installed.
09:23.07ixion[10:16] <dpkg> First, read <java licensing>.  Still here?  If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>.  If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto>
09:23.08OldakQuill!install java
09:23.09dpkgFirst, read <java licensing>.  Still here?  If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>.  If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto>
09:23.13ixionarg :/
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09:24.24Overand!tell OldakQuill about java-package
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09:28.17simonrvnheh
09:28.18DakWhich is the difference from fstab and mtab?
09:28.25HirukoI'm having trouble upgrading my kernel to 2.6 -_-
09:28.25simonrvnscroll up dear =)
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09:28.33PhatedHeheh.
09:28.49HirukoI tried apt-get install kernetl-image-2.6.... etc but it doesn't work :(
09:28.57e2eHi, my beep alert (ps speaker) doesn't work anymore, i use to alert myself whith a few apps, i don't know where to look
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09:29.11HirukoI also tried through synaptics and i couldn't get it to work either
09:29.14ixionyou might need to spell it right :p
09:29.30ixionHiruko, why are you trying to install the kernel image? kernel upgrade?
09:29.39simonrvnDak: mtab keeps a track of what's mounted, plus additional info. so does /proc/mounts (long story), fstab is fs + tab, a file that keeps a track of configuration.
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09:29.56HirukoSorry I'm new to linux, that was what I thought I had to do to upgrade it from what i've read
09:30.26simonrvnonly when you need to, or when you need to add in and compile some drivers
09:30.29tetsuo69i changed my sources.list with mirrors for stable sarge, and now aptitude update doesn't work
09:30.33ixionsarge (stable) is at 2.47.X at the moment I beleive - you dont HAVE to upgrade unless you want to
09:30.39HirukoOh alrighty
09:30.50DakSo, if I edit fstab putting my ntfs partitions I don't have to edit mtab...right?
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09:31.00HirukoThen the second issue I'm having... I installed asla for sound but the sound is AWFUL like squeeky kinda
09:31.01simonrvndon't touch mtab at all
09:31.07Phatedmtab don't do no editing.
09:31.09HirukoAre there settings I need to look into?
09:32.12e2eHiruko: for what?
09:32.21ixionto stop his sound from getting frikked up
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09:32.36strkhow do I get a wider output from dpkg -l ? (can't read full package name)
09:32.41Hirukofor sound i installed alsa
09:32.51HirukoIt's just that the sound comes out um not rights
09:32.52Hirukoright*
09:32.53simonrvnstrk: man dpkg; /COLUMNS
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09:33.01e2estrk: COLUMNS=150
09:33.11DA_!tell dak about mtab
09:33.15valdynHiruko: how exactly is your sound fucked?
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09:33.53ixionhe said its "squeeky kinda"
09:33.55auraxcan anyone help me out, im trying to install ipmasq and im getting :
09:33.56auraxSetting up ipmasq (4.0.1) ...
09:33.56auraxdpkg: error processing ipmasq (--configure):
09:33.56aurax<PROTECTED>
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09:34.00auraxyay
09:34.32Hirukooh!
09:34.35ixion"Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here" <-----
09:34.36HirukoIt's fast for some reason
09:34.37DA_!topicsmite aurax
09:34.38dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon aurax.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
09:34.41valdynHiruko: so its playin to fast?
09:34.45HirukoYes
09:34.51valdynHiruko: which output method / device are you using?
09:34.59DakI use a laptop Fujitsu Amilo M1420, debian sarge with kernel 2.6.8...I cannot use my 56k modem. Is there a way to set up and use my PCImodem?
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09:35.11Hirukoum the internal speakers on my laptop.. dont' understand what you mean
09:35.33ixionALSA
09:35.44valdynHiruko: try "aplay somesound.wav" please
09:36.08valdynHiruko: which tool brings squeaky sound. What i want to know is if that tool is using the oss emulation layer instead of alsa directly
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09:36.25ixionwhich is the most up to date debian based distro?
09:36.25Hirukoalright
09:36.29ixiondebian itself ?
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09:36.43auraxanyone ?
09:37.00ixionaurax, go paste somewhere constructive
09:37.15e2eixion: debian sid
09:37.33Hirukoerm
09:37.33ixion=/ ?
09:37.41HirukoIt kinda sounds like a tv when it's not tuned into a signal
09:37.50DA_!anyone
09:37.51dpkg***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do.
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09:37.54Hirukolike a static sound
09:38.02auraxixion eh?
09:38.08Hirukooh wait is that compatible with mp3?
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09:38.26florghi there, i have an annoying problem on booting: when i'm not connected to the network the computer hangs about 3 minutes when booting after printing the line "Starting MTA: lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven)" - what can i do there?
09:38.27valdynHiruko: /usr/share/sounds/ has .wav files
09:38.36valdynHiruko: no
09:38.37Hirukook
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09:39.02valdynflorg: you are using exim4?
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09:39.09ixionwhen I open VLC I get: no font for displaying text "Western European (ISO-8859-51) found. would you like to select a font.... anyone know who to fix this? its stopping VLC from starting gracefully, have looked on google and tried changing locales
09:39.10e2eflorg: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 with "No network" option, if you don't use MTA
09:39.24florgvaldyn: it's installed but i use it not really
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09:39.41florgok, i'll try
09:40.07valdynflorg: see what e2e said. pick minimise dns queries where you can in  dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and make it deliver local mail only.
09:40.13eye69ixion: Was that ISO-8859-51 or ISO-8859-15?
09:40.23ixionsorry, 8859-1
09:40.30DakDuring boot time I read "AppleTalk services"...how can I stop theese services?
09:40.33florgok
09:40.44HirukoThe waves play fine
09:40.50eye69ixion: Ok
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09:41.03valdynHiruko: great, now which tool is giving you squeaky sound?
09:41.14HirukoI was using totem player
09:41.15e2eDak: You have netatalk installed i think, if you don't need file sharing with an apple remove it
09:41.21simonrvnDak: either remove it, or set them to start in the background
09:41.30chocoIatehi, i run debian sarge and during the past two days it seems everytime i access the internet every appears to be very slow and takes forever. Anybody got ideas as to what i can do to diagnose this and fix. I'm an developer on windows that has just recently shifted to linux
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09:41.38Dakhow can I remove it?
09:41.39valdynHiruko: run gstreamer-properties and pick the alsasink instead of oss
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09:41.59simonrvnman dpkg; /remove and /purge
09:42.02valdynHiruko: let me know if it brings proper sound after that is done and totem is restarted.
09:42.05e2eDak: dpkg -P netatalk (-P option for purge)
09:42.20ixionchocoIate: if you ping a webpage you have yet visited, does it take a long time to resolve the IP address?
09:42.21DakThanks!
09:42.30xozchocoIate: try to ping some site to check how long does it respond
09:42.31Xytek^Can anyone tell me how to execute kde? i did apt-get install kde and its installed, how do i run it? lol sorry I'm new :o
09:42.36ixionchocoIate: "not yet visited"
09:42.42xozXytek^: startkde
09:42.46HirukoSo where it says pipeline i type alsasink?
09:42.49valdynXytek^: do you have X running?
09:42.51chocoIateok, i will try now
09:42.53HirukoIn the list I only see custom and oss
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09:42.58Xytek^not that im aware of..
09:43.04valdynHiruko: one sec
09:43.09Xytek^ill try start kde and see what happens?
09:43.11xozXytek^: or enable kdm or gdm and choose kde during login
09:43.22Xytek^how do i do that? lol..
09:43.29ixionstartx ?
09:43.46ixionhow many desktop environments do you have installed?
09:44.00PhatedThink there's a startkde or something, actually.
09:44.02DakHow can I start or stop services from bash? I'd like to stop some services from boot time...
09:44.05valdynHiruko: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
09:44.11ixionmight be kdesktop
09:44.18Hirukoalright
09:44.19Dakrc-update?
09:44.26valdynHiruko: watch it pulling gstreamer0.8-alsa too
09:44.29PhatedDak: /etc/init.d/<service> (start|stop)
09:44.34simonrvnDak: how about you go read the channel's FAQ?
09:44.34xozDak: man boot
09:44.42Xytek^just kde..
09:44.53Xytek^It says, Can't connect to X server.
09:45.00ixionthere must be more errors than that...
09:45.05Dakok, thanks!
09:45.10xozXytek^: startkde or install X first
09:45.12valdynXytek^: you need X to run kde locally
09:45.21valdynXytek^: /msg dpkg setup x
09:45.21Xytek^okay so i just do apt-get x ?
09:45.25ixionlol
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09:45.28Xytek^lol
09:45.34xoz!lol
09:45.35dpkglol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg
09:45.37Xytek^don't laugh XD
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09:46.08simonrvnBBIALW
09:46.13ixionapt-cache search xfree86 should tell you what versions are available to you
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09:46.57Xytek^okay, im really new. lol ill give it a try sorry for silly questions guys.
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09:47.19ixionwhen you installed, did it not ask if you wish to install a desktop environment ?
09:47.19xozXytek^: !faq Xytek^
09:47.29valdynXytek^: unfortuntely ( for you ), kde can run locally but display on a different host, so X has to be installed explicitely
09:47.47chocoIatewell, i just used the Network tools to ping www.msn.com and it took about 30secs
09:47.57ixionchocoIate: to respond, or to resolve ?
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09:48.20e2eluch0_: "ROOOOOOOOOT has landed!" This was for you
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09:48.43Overandugh
09:48.44ATKhello... anybody know... how can i in debian... on php safe_mode = On ... create by fopen(); fputs(); file with user privigles... now when i do that the created file is owned by apache ;/ anybody know how can i do that ;??
09:48.53chocoIatewell, to resond i guess. What do you use to ping. I used the network tools that come with gnome desktop and its not very informative :P
09:48.57Overandnot only has root landed, but he's got a VALID IDENT.
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09:49.05beltorakwhat do i have to do to add custom scripts to the boot up sequence?
09:49.07ixionchocoIate: forget the tools, open up a shell and ping www.download.com or any other site you have not visited and see if takes a while to resolve
09:49.22ixionchocoIate: just "ping www.download.com" or whatever
09:49.31Hirukobrb having a network problem
09:50.03__DL__Hello. Does someone know how to make lo not configured for inet6 at boot time whithout recompilling the kernel ?
09:50.13Xytek^I set it up, to be a desktop, but it didnt ask If I wish to install an enviroment no..
09:50.21Xytek^so now I have to install X server?
09:50.26ixionyes
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09:50.37e2eXytek^: apt-get install x-window-system
09:50.48xozXytek^: try tasksel
09:51.06PhatedEw.
09:51.23xozwtf
09:51.31deadcatwhats the variables for my irc nick and irc real name?
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09:51.44Xytek^shoulnt it be apt-get install xserver-xfree86 ?
09:51.54spanglesontoasthey does a dvd version exist of sarge?
09:51.59ixionif it was supposed to be that he would have said that
09:52.04chocoIateand what should i be looking for, it just continues, hasnt stopped, continues to print lines like this -->> :  64 bytes from c10-gdl-xw-lb.cnet.com (216.239.115.131): icmp_seq=84 ttl=240 time=206 ms
09:52.08jetxyes there is a dvd, maybe broken
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09:52.12jetxmaybe fixed
09:52.17spanglesontoastgot a link?
09:52.19Xytek^okay.. lol sorry, im just reading through what dpkg had to say?
09:52.22jetxi heard it was borkeded
09:52.34ixionchocoIate: 206ms is high... are you sure nothing else is downloading/leeching - where do you live? country ?
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09:52.45chocoIatei live in italy
09:52.47jetxbut it is there, and should have been fixed by now (sarge dvd, 2 dvd's total)
09:53.00ixionchocoIate: try ping an .it website and see what ping times you get
09:53.04chocoIateif i switch to my windows partition all works good
09:53.17chocoIateand its been working on debian well, until yesterday :|
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09:53.28spanglesontoastthose ones http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/
09:53.40chocoIatemaybe i have a virus :o
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09:54.16ixionchocoIate: try a traceroute to an IP address - might gives clues
09:54.21Xytek^I appreciate the help, I'm sure ill get this all figured out over time :)
09:54.22jetxhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/
09:54.29jetxno i'm too slow
09:54.38jetxerr s/no/nm/
09:54.50xozXytek^: read the docs in www.debian.org
09:54.51Whisky_I want a good email client. Any recommendations ?
09:54.51jetxyeah those
09:54.52spanglesontoastyea I heard a podcast about guys releasing sarge
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09:54.57spanglesontoastso I decided to ditch ubuntu
09:55.31jetxyou'll find the packages in ubuntu to be more up2date, but maybe not as 'stable'
09:55.38xozyep
09:55.46PhatedWhisky_: mutt.
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09:56.00Whisky_kl
09:56.06deadcatwhats the variables for my irc nick and irc real name?
09:56.16PhatedIn what?
09:56.25jetxirssi i guess
09:56.36GnutzAnybody know where kernel modules are being called from at boot?  I'm trying to build a custom kernel and my system is trying to load stuff I don't have.
09:56.38deadcatirssi any irc client.
09:56.39jetxbut irc in general
09:56.56jetxGnutz: blacklist discover/hotplug
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09:56.58Phateddeadcat: real_name in irssi, anyway. I don't think there's like an env var.
09:56.59xozGnutz: check /etc/modules
09:57.06valdynGnutz: /etc/modules
09:57.14Gnutzcool.
09:57.20deadcatPhated: i think there are. but i dont remember what man page i read it from.
09:57.21GnutzI will try that.
09:57.24jetxbut non-functional in this case
09:57.28jetxwatch
09:57.31Phateddeadcat: Eh, dunno then. apropos around.
09:58.14jetx!dict apropos
09:58.17dpkgcould not find definition for apropos
09:58.38xoz!info apropos
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09:59.01deadcatwell. IRCNICK worked.
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10:00.52spanglesontoastah how good is netinstall?
10:01.01deadcatfucking good
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10:01.26PhatedEchoed.
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10:01.29__DL__spanglesontoast: last time i try, work like a charm
10:01.48strkdebian 3.1 now
10:01.50PhatedJeez, you have a shit connection.
10:01.53strk<PROTECTED>
10:02.13e2emy beep sound (pc speaker) doesn't work anymore, i use to alert myself whith a few apps, i don't know where to look
10:02.17strkany help with X fonts ? I don't see some, I see other screwed
10:02.59spanglesontoastand it will work on cdr/w
10:03.02spanglesontoast?
10:03.02jetxe2e modprobe pcspeaker, add it to /etc/modules (iirc that's the module name spelled right)
10:03.10strkxfontsel doesn't run :( Error: Widget field13 has zero width and/or height
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10:03.16valdyne2e: what did you change?
10:03.17jetxspanglesontoast: yeah it works
10:03.21spanglesontoastkool
10:03.24rixthWhat version of Gnome is in Etch?
10:03.34deadcat2.8
10:03.37valdyn!info gnome-about etch
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10:03.48dpkggnome-about: (The GNOME about box), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-2 (etch), Packaged size: 212 kB, Installed size: 320 kB
10:03.48e2ejetx: The module already loaded
10:03.57rixthCool.
10:04.02jetxno idea then e2e :/
10:04.38e2evaldyn: I've installed alsa, but it seems pc speaker on in alsamixer settings
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10:05.43FabianI see a lot of warnings during boot time. Is there a file.log of these?
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10:05.57e2eFabian: /var/log/messages
10:06.01jetxwarnings from what?
10:06.23jetxhotplug?
10:06.42Whisky_any other mail client u would recommend apart from mutt ?
10:06.56GuerinWhisky_: no
10:06.57chocoIatewhat firewalls do you guys use on debian :o
10:07.00Fabianwhen I boot my system I read some warnings...
10:07.05xozWhisky_: apt-cache search mail clien
10:07.05e2eWhisky_: What kind of client are you looking for?
10:07.09valdyne2e: if your pcspeaker shows in alsa then its a sound device now, not the system beep,i have know idea how to combine those 2
10:07.27Whisky_e2e: Text based client. Something similar to mutt
10:07.38GuerinWhisky_: mutt has no equal in that department.
10:07.47GuerinWhisky_: what
10:07.53xozWhisky_: sylpheed
10:07.54Guerin's wrong with mutt, anyway?
10:08.02e2evaldyn: Thanks...
10:08.03Guerinoh yeah, because sylpheed is text-based
10:08.05Whisky_nothing
10:08.09Whisky_kl xoz
10:08.10xozheh
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10:08.34Xytek^is there anyway to reconfigure the resolutions KDE can use?
10:08.42Guerinyou could gnuse gnus
10:08.43jetx!drxx
10:08.44dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86     # Run it as root!
10:09.09Hirukyvaldyn: back i get the error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA-Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" I did the update.
10:09.14HirukyI installed the pluging*
10:09.15xozchocoIate: im using shorewall
10:09.29chocoIateits good ?
10:09.35xozXytek^: DPI setting?
10:09.51chocoIatei is it free :o
10:10.01valdynHiruky: ps aux | grep esd
10:10.14Hirukyoh nm, it just couldn't test i guess
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10:10.21Hirukyit works great now :D thanks a bunch for the help
10:10.22xozchocoIate: apt-cache show shorewall
10:10.56valdynHiruky: alright, your oss emlation layer still is broken ( using wrong frequencies ), if you don't use it, then you won't have to fix that part.
10:10.56chocoIateok, i will try it, thanks
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10:11.39FabianI read /var/log/messages, but I think this isn't the file I'm looking for. I'd like to read again all lines that I see during the system booting...
10:12.17Fabianlike "starting gdm..."
10:12.17HirukyDo you recommend getting it fixed still?
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10:13.49Bellawhwre u come from
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10:14.34Hiruky256mb ram doesn't seem to be enough for gnome... linux doesn't rely as much on virtual memory as windows does, does it?
10:14.51Fabianwhat does this mean? "ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 10
10:15.18_BeOS_Yes linux is (as winblows) RAM eater :-}
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10:15.28Hirukylol
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10:15.57Hirukywindows isn't all that terrible, i use both ^_^
10:16.08spanglesontoastdoes the netinstall easy and i won't have to type in the mirror location etc
10:16.17xozHiruky: gnome/kde desktop needs more ram to load lots of baggages
10:16.17EsajEsajhmm, ssh's known_hosts hashing breaks my bash_completion :(
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10:16.32xoz*unnecessary*
10:16.33_BeOS_anyway I still prefer BeOS
10:16.44Hirukyi can install other window systems right? is there one you recommend that's a little less load on the ram?
10:16.59chocoIatei have 512mb ram and its good
10:17.25HirukyYeah I need something to hold me over until I upgrade to 512mb
10:17.31chocoIatei use the gnome desktop, seems be a bit lighter than kde
10:17.33HirukyMy ram is almost constantly full as it is.
10:17.34FabianWhen I boot my debian I read "ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10"...what does this mean? is this an error?
10:17.39HirukyI don't like kde very much
10:17.44jetxgnome/kde do ok w/256
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10:18.17qwertz_I copy my apache log files to my local server to run some statistics scripts, so is there any tool that can handle log_rotation (will say that it doesn't load access.log3 only because it was renamed from access.log2)?
10:18.25Xytek^Only thing is my soundcard doesnt work :( lol.
10:19.06xozqwertz_: man logrotate
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10:22.42chocoIatehmm ixion , the only major change i have done is some packages were upgraded when i updated kopete 2 days ago,after that i have noticed requests to any pages being very slow
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10:26.07Hirukowhat's a good video player for linux?
10:26.37deadfizhtry mplayer
10:26.40xozmplayer, vlc, totem
10:26.44ethicsmplayer xine v4l
10:26.53Hirukoalrighty
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10:27.14Hirukooh yeah one last thing before i stop bothering you all
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10:27.27HirukoI'm having trouble getting a 1200x800 resolution to work.
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10:27.34HirukoI'm using the vesa drivers right now.
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10:28.22HirukoThe video in my laptop is ati but the ati driver doesn't work
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10:28.28kazimhi
10:28.28valdyn!modeline
10:28.29dpkgyou can create custom modelines at http://www.inria.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines, or http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline
10:28.39kazimanyone here have an 1200A raid card ?
10:28.48Guerin!anyone use
10:28.49dpkgNo, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
10:28.57kazimho :)
10:29.16kazimso hum anyone have info about compatibility of 1200A raid card and debian sarge
10:29.23kazimin 2.6 kernel
10:29.30kazimbetter like that ? :)
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10:32.40PerfDave!enter
10:32.41dpkgThe enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or  ellipsis '...' instead.  Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).
10:32.44PerfDave;p
10:33.17PerfDave(and sorry, no, I have no idea what a 1200A RAID card is)
10:33.34Esaj_abuse PerfDave
10:33.39Esaj_!abuse PerfDave
10:33.44Esaj_:P
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10:34.18kazim:)
10:34.39kazimi have just read that many card an't real raid card "#
10:34.39kazimAdaptec AAR 1200, 1210, 1210SA, 1205SA series — fakeraid. This turns out to be a SiIicon Image 3112-variant or 3112A-variant. Works with a patched version of libata's sata_sil subdriver (2003-12).
10:34.39kazim#
10:34.39kazim(link) HP (/Compaq) SA5xxx — real hardware RAID. S
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10:34.46kazimarg
10:34.48kazimi'm osrry
10:34.58kazimwas 2 line in HTML :(
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10:35.35Xytek^Whats a good, replacement, for MSN etc?
10:35.45EsajXytek^: gaim
10:36.07Xytek^figured as much, can you tell me how i would go about installing it?
10:36.24rzaapt-get install gaim
10:36.34jetxthere is also msn
10:36.37jetxerr amsn
10:36.53jetxno idea which is 'better'
10:36.56Xytek^gaim has everything, I'll just use that.. :)
10:36.58Esajif you just want to use msn, amsn might be better (more bells & whistles)
10:37.27Xytek^Nah, i use everything, so Gaim will be fine. Thanks :)
10:37.47jetxah hey, gaim/aim users: what is this ' i can only get into international chat rooms' on aim, using gaim...
10:37.49valdynXytek^: apt-cache show kopete ( since you are using kde.. )
10:37.56jetxthat's a bug report i got :(
10:38.04jetxi know nothing about aim
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10:39.18jetxi can see i'll have to ask my resident aim experts (the teenagers)
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10:42.16Hirukovaldyn: with videogen I get the followin error, "error: no modes (resolutions) have been specified."
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10:44.08Hirukooh and "could not open the configuration file "~/.videogen" {errno-2}
10:44.43fpittanyone uses a ti-89 titanium under debian sarge? please query me :D
10:45.17jetx!hwinfo
10:45.18dpkgwell, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles
10:45.34kazimanyone know about card that do fakeraid ?
10:46.48jetxhow do i find out how much rotors and calipers cost with linux? :P
10:47.35jetxapt-cache search price-of-calipers 'didn't work'(tm)
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10:49.43Hirukohmm that hwinfo didn't help me much
10:50.37valdynHiruko: you could read the manpage to videogen or you could just use one of the websites given
10:51.04Hirukoi checked the videogen page but unless i missed something it doesn't offer much info
10:51.12Hirukoi don't know where to add the modeline
10:51.26Hirukothe configuration file is apparently missing from videogen btw
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10:52.18valdynHiruko: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, but to use it, you *might* have to use a different X driver
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10:52.39valdynHiruko: i have no idea if vesa will support 1200x800
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10:53.36valdynHiruko: what's your gfx chip anyway?
10:55.06Hirukoit's an ati 200m i think
10:55.12HirukoYeah
10:55.41valdyn!ati drivers
10:55.41dpkgIf you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards.
10:56.00HirukoI don't know if this works with the mobile integrated cards.
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10:57.04PerfDaveIIRC, and I could be talking out of my arse, the laptop chipsets only work with x.org now
10:57.11Fl4v10Hi all
10:57.47Whisky_any ideas at what path I could access SquirrelMail after a successful install ?
10:57.58Whisky_http://localhost/?
10:57.59jvwWhisky_: /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf
10:58.09jvwdefault, http://localhost/squirrelmail
10:58.48Whisky_did that, returns 404
10:58.52Fl4v10Where can I set menu font on xchat?
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10:59.14valdynFl4v10: you're using gnome?
10:59.18Fl4v10no, kde
10:59.43valdynFl4v10: kde can set gnome/gtk fonts too, try the kde control center
11:00.09Fl4v10but, in the Control Center there isn't option to modify xchat menu font/dimension
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11:00.27valdynFl4v10: sure there is, its not xchat specific, its gtk settings
11:00.37HirukoDo I add the modeline under all of the things in the monitor section?
11:00.44Whisky_jvw: Nothing at localhost/squirrelmail, just returns a 404
11:00.53Fl4v10I tryed to modify menu character dimension but xchat seems to remain untouched
11:00.53valdynHiruko: where the other modelines are.
11:00.54HirukoThere it has identifier, horizsync, vertirefresh and option
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11:01.01HirukoI don't see any others oO
11:01.15Fl4v10same problem with xmms menu
11:01.22Fl4v10same problem with xmms popup menu
11:01.24HirukoYeah there aren't any
11:01.48valdynFl4v10: xmms is gtk1, xchat is gtk2, gtk2 *can* be set from kde control center
11:02.18Fl4v10ok! I'll try again! thanks a lot
11:02.25Fl4v10bye valdyn!
11:03.08jetxanybody else ever notice that xmms can't spell audio ? (left side, up&down, next to the timer)
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11:03.33HirukoAck this stuff is so confusing oO
11:03.46RolandUhi all
11:03.53jetxHiruko: only till you figure it out :)
11:04.18valdynHiruko: i think you have 2 option,s first is explained via /msg dpkg ati drivers, 2nd is installing xorg.
11:04.20Hirukoof course
11:04.37Hirukowhat is xorg?
11:04.44HirukoIs there a reference to that?
11:04.51valdynHiruko: both will require you to add a modeline aswell
11:05.02valdynHiruko: the /topic
11:05.09HirukoHmm but htere are none in the xf86config
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11:06.05RolandUI have a machine I use in two different networks by physically putting in another network-cable. The problem is, in one network it needs to get a dynamic IP and in the other it should use static IP (the second one actually is just a twisted pair cable to another machine). Is there a simple way to make it check for both connections and use the one that works?
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11:06.33jetxa, it's XF86Config-4 . b, don't hand edit it w/o reading line 17
11:06.42PerfDaveRolandU: laptop-net and similar utilities.
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11:07.47RolandUPerfDave, does that actually have anything to do with laptops or can I use it on my normal machine also?
11:08.18PerfDaveRolandU: What's a laptop other than a desktop in a smaller case, with a built-in monitor? :)
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11:08.37valdynRolandU: or apt-cache show ifplugd ( does about same as laptop-net )
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11:09.39RolandUok, thanks, I will try those.
11:10.37HirukoYeah I have xf86config-4 open right now.
11:10.41HirukoThere are no modelines
11:10.53jvwWhisky_: reload apache, and/or check apache config
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11:11.21strkhow do I cleanup packages cache in /var/apt /
11:11.23Whisky_oh yeah i forgot to reload apache :|
11:11.38strkI'm out of space ....
11:12.01valdynHiruko: there's a screen section, which "Modes" are listed there?
11:12.03jetxdelete that pron
11:12.04Esajapt-cache clean
11:12.20strkE: Invalid operation clean
11:12.29jetxapt-get clean
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11:12.41jetxsee also autoclean
11:12.57Esajapt-get clean sorry
11:12.57Whisky_jetx: [Sat Jul  9 11:11:49 2005] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 207.230.28.185 port 80
11:13.07Whisky_from the apache error log
11:13.09strkthanks, apt-get clean did it
11:13.12Whisky_that means ?
11:13.14jetxWhisky_: i know nothing about apache
11:13.19Whisky_k
11:13.22Hiruko1280 x 1024 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768 800x600 640x480
11:13.23GuerinWhisky_: you're already running something on 80
11:13.26jetxi 'think' it means that ip is taken
11:13.26HirukoThat's all the modes
11:13.29jetxoh
11:13.33Guerinkazim: find out what it is and kill it before starting apache
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11:13.37Guerinbah
11:13.38GuerinWhisky_:
11:13.55HirukoIt has em listed several times for different depths
11:14.04Whisky_Guerin: How do i found out what i have running on port 80? ps aux | grep 80 :D
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11:14.19jetxHiruko: do hwinfo --monitor, note the v&h refresh rates, drxx and enter the correct ones (choose advanced)
11:14.23GuerinWhisky_: netstat -plaunt |grep :80 # as root
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11:14.41Whisky_tcp        0      0 207.230.28.185:80       0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     362/apache
11:14.41valdynHiruko: is there a 2nd SubSection "Display" below? Are these the modes for your used Depth?
11:15.05Whisky_and apache just shuts down its self....
11:15.35jetxi hate my |
11:15.42Whisky_:O
11:15.44Whisky_why >
11:15.51jetxclogged
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11:16.06Hirukohwinfo --monitor doesn't give me refresh rates
11:16.07GuerinWhisky_: something's fucked.
11:16.11Whisky_heh
11:16.12jetxit should
11:16.17jetxdoes here
11:16.24Whisky_Guerin: That means apache is running on 80, right?
11:16.25jetxyo sure?
11:16.25Hirukohmm
11:16.30valdynHiruko: it would be just below, easy to see. Anyway try adding your mode you want there manually. Then try restarting X. Read the top of XF86Config-4 for some useful info too.
11:16.31GuerinWhisky_: 1
11:16.43Whisky_1? :/
11:16.53jetxthe_top means line 17 i 'think'
11:17.00GuerinWhisky_: 1.
11:17.03HirukoWell I don't see any other modelines so i don't know exactly where to add it
11:17.11Whisky_1.? :/
11:17.18jetxman helps
11:17.31valdynHiruko: you are seeing resulutions as you pasted, just add "1200x800" there
11:17.51Hirukooh okay
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11:17.57HirukoThat should work okay?
11:18.14HirukoAlright I'll try that out
11:18.18jetxoh you should run hwinfo as root or via sudo
11:18.20valdynHiruko: only if 1200x800 is supported by your vesa bios
11:18.28Hirukoi'm logged on as root
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11:18.57jetxthen let me rephrase : h&v SYNC RANGE
11:18.59pzqhello. I installed debian unstable and it seems tha I have no /dev/dsp, so no sound. Tried knoppix and it finds my card, tried lspci and i see my card, lsmod shows that correct modeles are loaded and alsaconf find my card and configures it, but stille no /dev/dsp and no sound. What should I do?
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11:19.33valdynHiruko: the first resolution in that line is the one used by default.
11:19.35jetxaka xvrefresh and xhrefresh iirc
11:19.39Guerinpzq: modprobe snd-pcm-oss
11:20.23fpittanyone uses a ti-89 titanium under debian sarge? please query me :D
11:20.25jetx!factinfo alsa-bork
11:20.27dpkgalsa-bork -- last modified at Wed Apr 13 12:31:53 2005 by jetscreamer!~jetscream@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net; it has been requested 21 times, last by liable at Sat Jul  2 02:56:05 2005.
11:20.43fpitt!tilp
11:20.45valdyn!tell fpitt about ask
11:20.48valdyn!tell fpitt about msg
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11:21.53pzqGuerin: thanks now i can see some player working but stille no sound, I will try to look more in to it my self :)
11:22.34jetx!factstats unrequest
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11:22.58jetx!alsa-bork
11:23.01dpkgmethinks alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base
11:23.15Guerinpzq: good.
11:23.24Guerinpzq: run alsamixer and unmute your channels
11:23.51jetxyeah sometimes it's muted by default
11:24.07Guerins/sometimes //
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11:24.50jetxwell iirc it hasn't 'always' been that way, but i anit sertain
11:24.54jetxaint
11:25.04jetxsertaine
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11:25.47Whisky_jetx: I removed squirrelmail but still apache is screwing up :S
11:25.49daxxarjetx, certain
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11:26.08jetxWhisky_: like i said, i know nothing about it
11:26.17jetxsartaine
11:26.23Whisky_:p
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11:26.42pzqGuerin: whuhuu it did the job :) Whats the right way to load that module at boot time
11:26.44visik7hi
11:26.45Guerinjetx: squirrelmail has nothing to do with whether apache will start
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11:26.47jetxonomotopia gives me problems
11:27.03GuerinWhisky_: for a reason as to why it won't start, read the logs
11:27.06jetxGuerin: i believe you. what i don't know though is why Whisky_ is telling me these things
11:27.08visik7is there something like apt-get reinstall package ?
11:27.19Whisky_Guerin: Well it returns the same thing in the logs when i try to start it
11:27.22jetxlike apt-get install --reinstall ?
11:27.22GuerinWhisky_: to force a restart, do /etc/init.d/apache restart
11:27.28Whisky_[Sat Jul  9 11:11:49 2005] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 207.230.28.185 port 80
11:27.46GuerinWhisky_: so kill what's listening on that fucking port
11:27.47Guerinjesus
11:27.59Whisky_I dont know what is :/
11:28.03jetxvisik7: it won't replace any changed config files w/o specifying --force-confmiss (can you pass --force-confmiss via apt-get ?)
11:28.13sanxiynoops
11:28.15GuerinWhisky_: i told you how to find it, and you correctly identified it.
11:28.18sanxiyn#316447
11:28.25Whisky_wait
11:28.31Guerin!dbugs 316447
11:28.34jetxor is it --force-conf-miss
11:28.34dpkg#316447:[php4-pear] remote code execution in PEAR::XML_RPC (security) Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:18:05 UTC
11:28.39Guerinwhoo
11:28.44Guerinbadness
11:28.47Guerinpatched?
11:28.55sanxiynGuerin: There's exploits in the wild. Ubuntu is patched, Debian is not.
11:29.01sanxiynBad.
11:29.08Guerindamnit
11:29.09visik7there isn't such a option like --force-conf-miss
11:29.16visik7only --force is --force-yes
11:29.18sanxiynGuerin: It's trivial to fix, however.
11:29.25Whisky_Ok ive found it now how do i kill it? There's ni PID :S
11:29.25Guerinvisik7: no.
11:29.26jetxit's a dpkg directive actually
11:29.39jetxman dpkg --force-help
11:29.41caphusojetx: you can, apt-get -o
11:29.45sanxiynIf you have Drupal installation, patch now.
11:29.48jetxcool
11:29.48Guerinyou can pass any arbitrary dpkg switch to apt
11:29.49visik7jetx eh I want apt redownload an installed package and reinstall it
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11:29.56jetxlike apt-get install --reinstall
11:30.02GuerinWhisky_: to force a restart, do /etc/init.d/apache restart
11:30.04jetxadd packagename
11:30.10visik7thanks
11:30.15GuerinWhisky_: i suggest you hire a competent webmaster
11:30.26jetxbut like i siad, it won't replace any changed configs
11:30.41visik7I just want that it replace binary files
11:30.47Whisky_Guerin: Did that. Tried apachectl restart too. It says its started and when I tell it to stop it says "/usr/sbin/apachectl stop: httpd (pid 354?) not running
11:30.47Whisky_"
11:30.53jetxthere it is
11:31.07GuerinWhisky_: don't use apachectl, use init.d
11:31.17visik7thanks again
11:31.27GuerinWhisky_: failing else, find the pid using netstat and kill it manually
11:31.28Whisky_Guerin: Used init.d too, same
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11:32.41visik7the official apt* tool for sarge is apt-get or aptitude ?
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11:32.47Whisky_Guerin: http://pastebin.com/309951
11:32.47lobomufashi
11:32.51zOap!debian-no
11:32.51dpkgdebian-no is probably den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users...
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11:33.22nevynvisik7: either or. aptitude is the "official" replacement for dselect but apt-get or aptitude whatever you want to use is good.
11:33.25nevynI think.
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11:33.27jetxThis will set an arbitary configuration option
11:33.43jetxaptitude is the 'official'
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11:33.55nevynvisik7: the advantage to aptitude is Automatic packages and a few more shiny features
11:33.58jetxdselect internals are superior
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11:34.04visik7nevyn 'couse ppl suggest to upgrade from woody to sarge using aptitude
11:34.16jetxno bad idea
11:34.21jetxask guerin :p
11:34.27visik7uh ?
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11:34.39GuerinWhisky_: Forms of things unknown...
11:34.46llama32anyone know of some non-X GUI systems? other than mac/win ofc
11:34.48Whisky_:/
11:34.50Whisky_its resolving ?
11:34.57jetxnon x gui
11:34.58Guerinvisik7: aptitude is smarter than apt-get when it comes to dist-upgrading
11:35.04GuerinWhisky_: yes.
11:35.18Whisky_it says its not :|
11:35.18jetxncurses based distro
11:35.22abrotmanllama32: there are many ..
11:35.24Whisky_says httpd not running
11:35.37Whisky_/usr/sbin/apachectl restart: httpd not running, trying to start
11:35.49llama32abrotman: could "non-X clones" narrow it down?
11:35.56GuerinWhisky_: use the netstat line i showed yoiu earlier to find the pid, kill it, and try to start it again
11:36.16jetxit's dawn, i should get started
11:36.23abrotmanllama32: OS2 ... for starters
11:36.39jetxwfw3.11 !
11:36.47abrotmani think plan9 isn't Xorg or xfree
11:37.00jetxdosshell! (hey it's a gui)
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11:37.36caphusoplan9 uses 8.5 as window system
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11:38.04caphusomight actually be some similarily stupid name, don't remember
11:38.19caphusoah, it's "8 1/2"
11:38.26llama32abrotman: well im more looking for alternate ones...
11:38.32abrotmanllama32: berlin ?
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11:38.36caphusollama32: there aren't any
11:38.37abrotman!berlin
11:38.37dpkgberlin is probably an extension of fresco to a complete windowing system, using its own drawing libraries and a component loader. it works, is pretty, and is LGPL. it does not yet do enough to make it worth switching from X, but it will. Visit http://www.berlin-consortium.org for more info. or [Q: Why is it consortium? do dict consortium], or at #berlin, or now called fresco, see http://www.fresco.org
11:38.52abrotmanllama32: ^^
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11:39.09Whisky_tcp        0      0 207.230.28.185:80       0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     363/apache
11:39.11Whisky_tcp        0      0 207.230.28.185:80       63.109.248.59:53839     ESTABLISHED364/apache
11:39.19llama32thanks, thats more what im after, but i already looked at berlin :)
11:39.20Whisky_2 instances of apache?
11:39.31Whisky_thats when i do netstat -anp | grep tcp
11:39.34simonrvnWhisky_: eh, yeh. threaded
11:39.42abrotmanllama32: so you want an alternate windowing system for a linux box ?
11:39.47jetxllama32: sourceforge might/would know
11:39.47simonrvnask a real question ;)
11:39.58caphusollama32: and again, there aren't any
11:40.03Whisky_now i really dont know where the heck the PID is over there. I dont see any PID or i would have killed it :/
11:40.18caphusoWhisky_: pid/processname at the end
11:40.27abrotmanllama32: Xfree,Xorg,Berlin ... svgalib ..i think ?
11:40.31llama32abrotman: yeah, im more after getting ideas for doing my own than using them then
11:40.32jetxWhisky_: think 'web host' :) j/k
11:40.32abrotmanthat's all i know of
11:40.35Whisky_k
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11:40.35caphusosvgalib isn't a window system
11:40.37simonrvndirectfb
11:40.40Whisky_:p
11:40.50abrotmanthere you go .. see .. caphuso apparently has done all the research :)
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11:41.12dracKDrive..
11:41.13abrotmancaphuso: i couldn't remember exactly what it was .. it's been so long since i heard of anyone trying to use svgalib
11:41.16visik7when I tried to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" from woody to sarge it want to remove this packages : http://pastebin.com/309958
11:41.30simonrvnkdrive is a subset of xorg, vaguely
11:41.32caphusovisik7: you don't use apt-get to upgrade
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11:42.16abrotmanllama32: you might want to ask another channel .. like ##linux or maybe #freedesktop
11:42.30caphusothe release notes are very specific about that, you ignored, you broke it, you get to keep the pieces. don't bother us
11:42.35llama32abrotman: best suggestion yet :)
11:42.48caphusothey won't be able to tell you anything else either
11:42.55abrotmanthough #freedesktop may only deal with xorg
11:42.56doleybllama32: there is a framebuffer version of Qt, so you can get kde apps on it.
11:43.02visik7ya aptitude is smarter
11:43.15jetxdselect is the master though
11:43.41simonrvnconsidering that qt runs on mock os x, and it's framebuffer driven their windowing system, i'm not surprised
11:43.58simonrvnquartaz, plus now some bits from xfree86 4.4
11:43.59caphusosimonrvn: all graphic stuff is framebuffer driven
11:44.03simonrvner, quartz
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11:44.41doleybcaphuso: when i said "framebuffer", I meant the linux kernel feature with that precise name, not "pixels" in general.
11:45.00caphusodoleyb: i wasn't talking to you
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11:45.12simonrvncaphuso: exactly the sense i meant
11:45.32strkdoes anyone here successfully use a microphone with alsa ?
11:45.41abrotmanme
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11:45.44simonrvni'm sure many have
11:45.47caphusostrk: i did once. it worked
11:45.48abrotmanand that's all i knwo about it :)
11:45.50strkI can't on two systems, so I'm wondering ;)
11:45.59abrotmanvolume turned up ?
11:45.59jetxsudo dselect update && sudo dselect --expert select && sudo dselect install && sudo dselect config && sudo dselect remove && update-menus
11:46.11Guerini've used a mic with alsa a bunch of times
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11:46.16strkabrotman, yes
11:46.21caphusojetx: you don't need "dselect remove" if you use the apt backend
11:46.34abrotmanstrk: what are you trying to record with ?
11:46.39jetxyeah i know but i'm anal
11:46.44jetxvery
11:46.46strkabrotman, arecord
11:46.55strkI just want to test this, I was used to cat /dev/audio
11:47.05strkthat's what I usually test first, but doens't work as well
11:47.32abrotmanstrk: i've done all my recording with audacity ...
11:47.38strkI mean, I can cat and I see strange chars in output, but they are always the same char, reguardless of what I say in the mic
11:47.44strk(fuzzy microphone testing)
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11:49.10strknothing says "it's not working" - I just get NO sound in input
11:49.20gchurchHali,, valaki használ itt uhu 1.2-t?
11:49.35strkabrotman, can you tell me how is your mixer set  ?
11:50.24abrotmanstrk: i just put my mic up .. that's it
11:50.46strkk, so it's probably a kernel issue
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11:51.52jetxwtf is IGN ? as in apt-get update returns: Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release  Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release
11:52.11dondelelcarojetx: ignoring
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11:52.34jetxah
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11:52.40dondelelcarojetx: that just means that source hasn't changed, so there's no point in touching it.
11:52.50jetxwcb: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907  i think it's because of this
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11:54.21anubis_EOCan anyone tell me weather you can ftp directly through a local -> remote putty ssh2 tunnel to an ftp running proftpd?? or must you use SCP of SFTP (i.e. update the server)?
11:54.38anubis_EO*sorry i mean runing ftpd???
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11:55.21jetxhey does this just mean i need to log out, or what? :  gpg: WARNING: options in `/home/jetx/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run
11:56.00PerfDaveanubis_EO: SSH tunnelling FTP is *very* hard because FTP uses dynamic ports. If you've got an SSH server on the remote machine, you don't need to do anything to enable SFTP (assuming it's running Debian).
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11:58.06anubis_EOPerfDave: i am running debian sarge and sshd. so should i just set my cuteftp client to use SFTP and thats it??
11:58.52PerfDaveanubis_EO: Should be.
11:59.09sanxiynanubis_EO: Yes.
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11:59.28anubis_EOPerfDave: I'll give that a try
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12:00.49enno_hello. i have some difficulties to get the root floppy working on my clean pc. it boots correct from boot but then if i replace it with root it says something like no such device
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12:01.38pasta_Salve,c'è qualcuno che conosce l'italiano?
12:01.47giuenoio
12:01.51pasta_crande..
12:01.56pasta_grande..
12:01.58enno_i forgot to mention that i use usb floppy
12:01.59pasta_scusa
12:02.02pasta_:-)
12:02.09giuenotranqui
12:02.09pasta_cmq ho un problema con dei drivers
12:02.14giuenoasp
12:02.23caphuso!it
12:02.24dpkgit has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it
12:02.45pasta_ok
12:02.59PerfDaveenno_: Have you tried reading the Installation Manual, to see what it says about installing from USB floppy drives?
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12:03.24dondelelcarobetter to use a usb key than a usb floppy drive.
12:03.25pasta_anche se c'è poca gente lì..
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12:03.30dondelelcaro(or at lesat easier)
12:03.31pasta_cmq provo..
12:03.38giuenowhats ls
12:03.39enno_PerfDave: yes couldnt find a hint
12:03.44dondelelcaro!italian
12:03.44dpkgi guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it
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12:04.11PerfDaveenno_: It may be that the boot floppy doesn't have USB support. Have you considered using a boot CD instead?
12:04.15itshkayrun nba iso is real??
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12:05.06usuario_alguien ke able español
12:05.08enno_PerfDave: I do BOOT from this device, but root floppy is not recognized. Maybe a combined boot/root would help but i couldnt find one
12:05.09Radius_Vectorhi, what software lets me know all current and outgoing connections ? the equivalent of netstat in wintendo?
12:05.21doleybnetstat
12:05.30PerfDaveenno_: Booting from the boot floppy is up to your BIOS. Recognising the root floppy is up to the kernel on the boot floppy.
12:05.36anubis_EOPerfDave: I get the message "No further authentication methods available.
12:05.36anubis_EO"
12:05.39nevynRadius_Vector: umm netstat
12:05.45doleyb(which windows copied from bsd, which probably copied it from at&t)
12:05.45Radius_Vectornevyn: Ok, cool lol never knew
12:05.59Radius_Vectordoleyb: lol
12:06.03anubis_EOPerfDave: *any ideas??
12:06.22PerfDaveanubis_EO: You should have more errors than that.
12:06.35PerfDaveanubis_EO: Check your SSH logs, or /var/log/auth.log on the server side.
12:06.44PerfDaveenno_: The easiest option is almost certainly to use a boot CD instead of a boot floppy.
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12:07.17anubis_EOPerfDave: it says it failed for an unknown reason, do you require keys or anything like that to use sftp??
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12:07.25PerfDaveanubis_EO: You shouldn't need to.
12:07.34enno_PerfDave: usb cdrom doesnt work with my bios. :( i use official boot floppy from sarge
12:07.48PerfDaveenno_: Why don't you just stick an IDE drive in there? :)
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12:08.45DA_ive just connected a joystick and found its device in /dev and i want to use it for an X game, so it would have to go in my XF86Config-4 correct?
12:08.55PerfDaveDA_: Probably :)
12:08.56nevynDA_: no.
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12:09.09nevynX does not abstract joysticks
12:09.13doleybDA_: no, X doesn't do joysticks.  the game must access /dev/js0 directly.
12:09.15PerfDavenevyn: Oh, OK
12:09.48DA_hrm how do i go about getting it setup for this game? the game only takes a number for which joystick to use
12:09.51abrotmanPhated: i thought it was done .. it's not doing it on my screen anymore .. moment
12:09.55abrotmanPhated: done now ?
12:09.56doleybDA_: to check that your joystick is recognized ok, run the jstest program from package "joystick"
12:09.59abrotmanPhated: it seems to be totally in the buffer ..
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12:10.06Phatedabrotman: Yeh, it does that sometimes.
12:10.14DA_doleyb: already did that and it works
12:10.17enno_PerfDave: I could do that but it would be better without opening the case
12:10.17doleybif you only have 1 joystick, it will be js0, so tell the game 0, and if that fails, 1.
12:10.28PerfDaveenno_: *shrug* I think that'll be the easiest way.
12:10.41DA_doleyb: is it odd that my joystick device is actually /dev/djs0?
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12:11.28doleybI don't know what that means, i wonder if its a new kernel feature.  I wouldn't be surprised if the game is only looking at js?, though.
12:11.53enno_PerfDave: Not if it is a laptop. Luckily it isnt. But if it boots from first disc not finding the second one seems to be a bug
12:11.54doleybSo if /dev/js0 doesn't work, you might try replacing it with a symlink to djs0
12:12.12DA_doleyb: thats what i was just gonna say, thanks for your help
12:12.13PerfDaveenno_: No, because the two are entirely unrelated, as I said.
12:12.15germannalguien ke able español
12:12.31PerfDaveenno_: Booting off USB floppy is a feature of the BIOS. Recognising a USB floppy within the OS is a feature of the kernel.
12:12.57enno_PerfDave: well first disc lacks usb support. is this not a bug?
12:13.28germanneo
12:13.41PerfDaveenno_: Not really. The boot floppy kernels have to be small enough to fit on a 1.44Mb floppy with room for the install scripts etc.
12:13.48doleybThat is an interesting question, a webpage says that djs0 is for digital joysticks, and js0 is for analog.  But I haven't seen an analog joystick in 10 years.  Anyone know what it means?
12:13.57germannNO HAY NADIE POR AY KE SEPA ABLAR ESPAÑOL
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12:14.13PerfDaveenno_: They have to be stripped down, and that means taking out some hardware support.
12:14.13caphuso!tell germann -about es
12:14.13abrotman!es
12:14.14dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:14.15jetx!es
12:14.21jetxnm
12:14.28DA_doleyb: haha that is funny then.. my joystick is analog
12:14.43doleybDA_: really?? it plugs into a soundcard or something?
12:14.44jetxDA_: apt-get install joystick
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12:14.52DA_doleyb: yep gameport on my soundcard
12:14.59doleybDA_: i only see USB joysticks today.
12:15.06DA_jetx: i did that about 15 minutes ago
12:15.09jetxo
12:15.28jetxDA_: do you have the gameport mdule loaded?
12:15.29DA_doleyb: yea this is an old old school like 6 to 12 dollar unit
12:15.37enno_PerfDave: Would be cool if there is a boot disc with usb-floppy support and without xyz ;)
12:15.47PerfDaveenno_: *shrug* Go find one ;p
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12:15.56doleybyou can get a usb joystick for under $10, but they're so bad its a waste of dollars.
12:15.58jetxit's seperate from the soundcard module, least here it is
12:16.13doleybDA_: what game are you doing, btw?
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12:16.22DA_doleyb: dont laugh...
12:16.25PerfDaveenno_: You've got a very unusual hardware configuration, and you're trying to use a boot method optimised for typical hardware configurations.
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12:16.28DA_doleyb: supertux
12:16.37DA_i love tux games
12:16.40DA_tux is the shit
12:16.42doleyboh, hm, i might have run that once.
12:16.49DA_it seems buggy...
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12:17.08doleybactually i have no recollection of supertux supporting a joystick...
12:17.08DA_im running it as the argument to startx lol
12:17.16jeffrinhello all
12:17.28jeffrinhas anyone compiled autogen
12:17.28DA_doleyb: it does, just doesnt say a whole bunch about it but it is in the man page
12:17.35jeffrinhas anyone compiled autogen 5.7.1
12:17.55doleybI ran supertux with a joystick once, but I used a separate prog which converted joystick movements into X11 inputs.
12:17.59PerfDavejeffrin: Nah, we run Debian so we don't have to compile things ;)
12:18.01enno_PerfDave: never mind i open the case :)
12:18.42DA_doleyb: im also on unstable so this is the newest i could do nothing and still find lol
12:18.53jetxmy case is open 24/7/365
12:19.07doleybI just tried "supertux -j 0", and it worked fine, meaning it went to /dev/js0.
12:19.11DA_doleyb: k now to test it out, wish me luck!
12:19.22DA_ok cool ive got it symlinked
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12:20.20jetxheh holy shit latest sid update uninstalls kde* it seems :)
12:20.30abrotmanfeature!
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12:21.13jetxheh  Opt libs     libaspell15c The GNU Aspell spell-checker runtime toolkits  <--uninstalls kde
12:21.25abrotmanfeature!
12:21.39jetxtakes k3b with it though :(
12:21.45abrotmanfeature!
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12:22.29DA_doleyb: did it give you any extra stuff in options besides keyboard setup?
12:23.10abrotmanboo
12:23.25doleybDA_: not just now, maybe someone setup supertux before though. (the key setup just has "cursor" for everything)
12:23.41jetxwell, i suck, i like k3b cuz ah'm dum
12:24.04jetxand cdrdao and cdrecord skeer meh
12:24.09Guerink3b is good
12:24.21Guerinit's point-and-drool but it works and doesn't fuck me around
12:24.57doleybwhat could be easier than mkisofs -rJ ~|cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=4 - ?
12:25.05jetxclick
12:25.16jetxjust one finger and a wrist
12:25.41jetxi'd have to move my hands, and 89 fingers the other way!
12:25.45Guerini just never bothered to learn mkisofs and cdrecord syntax
12:25.45jetxerr 8
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12:26.50jetxooo 89 fingers to type with....
12:27.22jetxi'm procrastinating going outside and draining antifreeze btw
12:28.54FieldySnutsjust open it up and get some cats and dogs to show up
12:28.58FieldySnutskidding
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12:29.28abrotmanbad FieldySnuts
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12:29.59toad_is sid seriously broken right now, or is it not?
12:30.02FieldySnutsmeh
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12:30.23abrotmantoad_: is it trying to remove your kde ?
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12:30.40Dizeromfg debian sucks
12:30.48abrotmanreally ?
12:30.48toad_abrotman: no, i'm just asking to see if i should avoid dist-upgrade
12:30.49caphusoDizer: yes, we know
12:30.52caphusoDizer: now go away
12:30.55abrotmanDizer: could you elaborate ?
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12:31.17abrotmantoad_: jetx just said it wants to remove his kde .. i mean .. i think that's ok .. but you might not
12:31.23DizerThat's it? No ban? I'm very disappointed in you guys :)
12:31.30toad_abrotman: that's fine, i'll check
12:31.33RichiHPhated: kinky
12:31.45FieldySnutsbbl
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12:33.03Dizer(For all your spying needs)
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12:33.09FieldySnutsDizer: fed.
12:33.18DizerFed?
12:33.35RichiHDizer: that's backwards for def
12:33.57DizerWow. I hadn't noticed. Thanks.
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12:34.32rsffGuys. What is the name of the free Java implementation on Sarge?
12:34.36lefhm, we are starting a project for an english-hellenic dictionary. Does anyone happen to have suggestions on what tools/format we should use? (we are currently looking at freedict)
12:34.40toad_rsff: there are lots
12:34.44doleybrsff: blackdown? gcj?
12:34.46toad_rsff: kaffe
12:34.51toad_blackdown isn't free
12:35.00toad_and iirc it's not in sarge either?
12:35.04DizerGo to sun.com, download the rpm, alien it to .deb, install and be happy.
12:35.06doleybtechnically, even sun and ibm java are "free"
12:35.15toad_not Free
12:35.23DizerWhy does it have to be free?
12:35.25Sebulba02Dizer: or make-jpkg the .bin
12:35.26toad_not technically not any other way
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12:35.29RichiHdoleyb: not in our definition, no
12:35.44doleybif you say not, then you're not speaking english.  "zero dollars" = "free"
12:35.45rsfftoad_, doleyb, I just what a Free (as in free software) version that will work on the web pages I have to acess.
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12:35.56PerfDaversff: apt-cache search free java
12:36.00rsffnot free as in free beer
12:36.03DizerSebulba02: Oooh. Cool.
12:36.08rsffAny suggestions?
12:36.13toad_doleyb: "free" can mean either
12:36.18toad_"FREE!!!!" means zero dollars
12:36.22toad_in modern english
12:36.28lefhaha
12:36.33rsfflibre...
12:36.40RichiH!floss
12:36.40dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, floss is Free, Libre, and Open Source Software
12:36.41FieldySnutsFree as in Dead Badger
12:36.43toad_rsff: just apt-get install kaffe
12:36.45rsffactually livre.
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12:36.48rsffthanks
12:36.50sh4dowcathow do you specify a different version of CC for a kernel compile?
12:36.54FieldySnutsapt: feces?
12:36.54aptrumour has it, feces is delicious
12:36.54RichiHrsff: libre
12:36.58sh4dowcatsay GCC 3.4 instead of 3.3.5
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12:36.59FieldySnutser
12:37.05sh4dowcatGCC*
12:37.16caphusosh4dowcat: edit the top level Makefile
12:37.21Dizervim tbh
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12:37.38sh4dowcathmm
12:37.45rsfflivre in portuguese, RichiH
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12:38.01Dizerlivre is a book.
12:38.13toad_liBre
12:38.23Dizerlibra is a star sign.
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12:38.34toad_Dizer: liBrE
12:38.34Harley^howdy
12:38.42sh4dowcatwhat about compiler optimization flags?
12:38.45sh4dowcatmakefile as well?
12:38.48FieldySnutsyes
12:38.49Dizerexport CFLAGS=@foo@
12:38.53DizerStupid non US keyboard.
12:38.59FieldySnutsStupid user.
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12:39.09Dizer<- Pwnd.
12:39.13FieldySnutshuh?
12:39.14RichiHrsff: afaik, livre is french
12:39.18caphusosh4dowcat: you do _not_ mess with compiler optimizations when compiling the kernel
12:39.32sh4dowcathmm...
12:39.36FieldySnutsagreed
12:39.37caphusoyou choose your CPU type in menuconfig or whatever and that's it
12:39.40sh4dowcatcaphuso: let make config do that?
12:39.43sh4dowcatok
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12:40.03sh4dowcatheh
12:40.11rsffDude. I live in brasil. We also say Livre. Its probably has a latin root. So that's the reason there probably is a french version, and a spanish version that are very similar
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12:40.13nevyncaphuso: why not. if it breaks something it's a bug in GCC ;)
12:40.13sh4dowcatanybody tried 2.6.12 with gcc-4.0 yet?
12:40.24FieldySnutshell no
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12:40.54rsffBut why tdoes it matter if its libre or livre. THe point is, what is the diference betweeng kaffe-pthreads and just kaffe?
12:40.55sh4dowcatapparently I need gcc-3.4 for pentium-m optimizations
12:40.57sh4dowcat:(
12:41.05tombsrsff, whats the problem with that word?
12:41.07Dizerrsff: One uses pthreads? :)
12:41.25rsffand kaffe-jthreads too.
12:41.49doleybrsff: that means whether java threads become OS level threads, or "green threads", kinda an internal emulation of threading.  Only matters for performance tuning...
12:41.53rsfftombs, none. Just trying to place its latin origin.
12:42.04doleybrsff: with some kernels, pthread libraries worked bad, or took huge ram.
12:42.09simonrvni have. running on it now. booted ok. running: 08:41:53 up  1:14, 14 users,  load average: 1.09, 1.30, 1.10
12:42.11rsffdoleyb, should I worry about it?
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12:42.27simonrvn(gcc version 4.0.1 20050701 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.0-12))
12:42.28doleybrsff: only if you have an old kernel (pre 2.6), or notice a problem.
12:42.54doleybpersonally i use kaffe-pthreads
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12:42.55rsffok. So, no problem then. Thanks
12:42.56tombsrsff, were you talking about " software livre" ?
12:43.00zergehi all
12:43.02simonrvndid it by accident, really. thought i was still on 3.3, then i remembered the default was set to 4
12:43.03rsffyup.
12:43.10toad_tomb0y: software LIBRE
12:43.30toad_"Free Software" with free meaning free as in freedom, not free as in "FREE!!!!!!"
12:43.31Dizertoad_: Resorting to capitalising all the letters :)
12:43.47rsfftoad_, it doesn't really matter how you graph the word. It has the same meaning in almost both versions.
12:43.48simonrvnrsff: portuguese i suppose it's livre instead of libre? french we say libre
12:43.58toad_rsff: not in practice
12:44.00Harley^Are others encountering problems installing Sarge AMD64 ? I have tried more than five times. Everything SEEMS to set up fine, the files download fine and unpack seemingly fine until VARIOUS differently places in the SETTING UP part of the install then the keyboard (a standard 103 keyboard that has always worked) seems to freeze. The drive light will indicate periodic access and the system is pingable by other machines. Is anyone else here having these pro
12:44.00Harley^blems ?
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12:44.10toad_rsff: a language is more than just the words it's the way they are used in our culture
12:44.12rsfftoad_, enlightn me.
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12:44.22Healtherhi
12:44.30simonrvnlogiciel libre
12:44.30DizerAre you American? 'Culture'. *lol*
12:44.32toad_in our culture, "FREE!!!!!" means "i'm giving you this without cost, aren't i wonderful?"
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12:44.47toad_when my real objective is usually to rip you off later
12:44.58toad_"free" could be either way
12:45.08FieldySnutsthat or troll ammo, as seen here
12:45.09toad_but "libre" is unambiguously free-as-in-speech
12:45.18Harley^Right now for over 15 minutes its been at Setting up scrollkeeper but the keyboard does not react to any keypresses
12:45.58simonrvnfood
12:46.08Dizerfood is German for free.
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12:46.11rsfftoad_, I agree. But in this specific case libre and livre are just variations of a latin word, which doesn't not find an english counterpart. Where as libre and livre have the exact same meaning in all (or almost all) latin languages, including portuguese, french, spanish, romaian, etc.
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12:46.21toad_livre means book
12:46.22doleybHarley^: that's not necessarily a total freeze.  scrollkeeper install does a whole lot of indexing, which can be sorta slow.  (15 min is pushing it though)
12:46.24toad_:)
12:46.49toad_okay in some languages it's livre, in others it's libre
12:46.54tombstoad_,  "livro" means book, not livre
12:47.04rsffb and v in latin where, once, the same letter.
12:47.05toad_je veux mon livre...
12:47.32FieldySnutsdpkg: dachs Dizer
12:47.34toad_rsff: really? don't recall that from latin class...
12:47.34dpkgDizer: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange!
12:47.41trentBuilding a debian package "joy", dh_make creates debian/manpage.1.ex.  To what should I rename this to so that it is actually installed as /usr/share/man/man1/joy.1.gz?
12:48.01Harley^doleyb if I were to do a CTRL-ALT-Del would the install be recoverable ?
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12:48.30doleybHarley^: if you really need to stop it, then a Control-c should be enough?
12:48.53doleyband i have little idea if your install can recover... scrollkeeper itself isn't too important though.
12:49.02Harley^The system does not seem to respond to a Crtl-C
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12:49.30doleybHarley^: does it respond to Alt-F2?
12:49.30sh4dowcatdoes it matter whether you use -O2 or -O3 when compiling a kernel?
12:49.35rsfflivre: (from the lating, liber) - Larousse dictionary of the portuguese language.
12:49.42simonrvndamn these pickles are good. local smoked meat shop makes them. fucking nice
12:49.44FieldySnutssh4dowcat: what did caphuso and myself just get done telling you?
12:49.50FieldySnuts~lart sh4dowcat
12:49.51doleybsh4dowcat: depends on if you want huge breakage or mega breakage
12:49.51toad_rsff: cool
12:49.54rsffnotice the name of the guy who wrote the dictionary.
12:50.01sh4dowcatheh
12:50.01rsffsounds french to me.
12:50.09sh4dowcatmakefile specifies -O2
12:50.12sh4dowcat*shrugs*
12:50.17rsffand lating should have been latin.
12:50.18DizerDid you know 'livre' means 'Do you guys actually give a crap about this?'
12:50.25DizerLittle known fact.
12:50.30toad_Dizer: i give a crap
12:50.30rsff:-)
12:50.35FieldySnutsi don't
12:50.40sh4dowcatwell I'll just redirect gcc and g++ to gcc-3.4 and g++-3.4
12:50.41trentDizer: if we had real things to worry about, we wouldn't be here.
12:50.43simonrvnalso a little known fact. Dizer: STFU
12:50.46sh4dowcatand see if it does me any good
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12:50.59Dizersimonrvn: Sodomy Today For U?
12:51.10FieldySnutsravenbird: hi
12:51.10ravenbirdniihau, fieldysnuts
12:51.16FieldySnutsravenbird: aussiesmite Dizer
12:51.17ravenbirdDizer: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog
12:51.21simonrvnwho came up with that one, your next door neighbour?
12:51.27lefhm, we are starting a project for an english-hellenic dictionary. Does anyone happen to have suggestions on what tools/format we should use? (we are currently looking at freedict)
12:51.31toad_actually i have real things to worry about but i just wanted to check whether apt-get dist-upgrade will dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda :)
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12:51.50sh4dowcattoad_: duh
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12:51.55rsffDizer, me too.
12:51.58sh4dowcatwe modified apt so that it'd to that just for you
12:52.01FieldySnutsheh
12:52.04rsffanyway thanks for the hava tip.
12:52.32toad_well they said something about changing the compiler
12:52.53PhatedCoo, is Dizer still here, then?
12:53.05trentsh4dowcat: the proper way to get gcc-3.4 as the default is to source gcc-defaults, change the version number, build it, then install the resulting packages.
12:53.18simonrvnawful quiet though. which is nice
12:53.23PhatedYeah.
12:53.38rsffsimonrvn, what is STFU?
12:53.42rsffsorry
12:53.45simonrvn@stfu
12:53.46ravenbirdi guess stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/
12:53.51DizerPhated: Yes.
12:53.52rsffoh.
12:53.57rsffthanks
12:54.00simonrvnnp
12:54.05Dizer@pwnd
12:54.12DizerAw.
12:54.19sh4dowcattrent: source gcc-defaults?
12:54.20PhatedAh, Branden.
12:54.43trentsh4dowcat: the gcc-defaults source package provides links from gcc to gcc-$version, etc.
12:55.27simonrvnok, one plonk added
12:55.56simonrvn*really* quiet now =)
12:56.12PhatedHeh.
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12:56.18Benixhi
12:56.22Dizeromfg hi
12:56.28PhatedDizer: Gee, how sweet.
12:56.33abrotmanFFS .. will someone kill him
12:56.42DizerPhated: Heehee. You said 'Gee'.
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12:57.03PhatedDizer: You said "Heehee".
12:57.20simonrvnwhy not sheeshee or something? ;p
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12:57.47Benixchecking for SDL - version >= 1.2.4... no
12:57.55Benixhow is the packagename of that?
12:57.56abrotmanBenix: libsdl-dev
12:58.05Benixabrotman: thanks
12:58.07abrotmanor whatever it's called .. you need the -dev version
12:58.11abrotmanerr -dev package
12:58.13simonrvnBenix: need -dev
12:58.55DizerPhated: 'Gee' is slang for vagina in my locale. Hence the hilarity.
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12:59.08Benixthanks
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13:00.28simonrvnnetname:      DCU-NET \n descr:        Campus Ethernet \n descr:        Dublin City University \n route:        136.206.0.0/16
13:01.02simonrvnum, someone at your NOC should check their email more often
13:01.44rsffis mono worth installing?
13:01.44PhatedDizer: How enlightening.
13:01.48simonrvnremarks:      Maintainer RIPE-NCC-NONE-MNT removed and object LOCKED by the RIPE NCC due to deprecation of the NONE authentication scheme. Please visit the following URL to unlock this object http://www.ripe.net/db/none-deprecation-042004.html
13:02.04DizerPhated: Any time :)
13:02.17Dizersimonrvn: Why are you pasting these things?
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13:02.24PhatedGah, why do I carry on?
13:02.36Dizersimonrvn: Anyone can find this information, no need need to spam everyone.
13:02.40BenixKanotix forever ;)
13:03.03PhatedFieldySnuts: -ot!
13:03.04simonrvneven i as a newbie at that kind of stuff was able to fill out the AS crap
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13:03.21Dizersimonrvn: I don't control the domain :)
13:03.22simonrvn136.206.15.1 in ASN1213 136.206.0.0/16
13:04.05simonrvnjust in case you wanna lock out DCU ;p (j/k)
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13:04.44DizerThat would block approximately 20,000 people, so probably isn't such a good idea.
13:05.00FieldySnutsblame the admin
13:05.37simonrvnindeed
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13:06.13FieldySnutsi think i goofed with that however found rdiff-backup much more useful
13:06.28simonrvncool
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13:06.38simonrvnas compared to what?
13:06.55BenixTo all developers here, please do not move over to ubunutu ;)
13:06.57Dizerrdiff-backup? *checks*
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13:07.03FieldySnutsBenix: please stop trolling
13:07.14BenixFieldySnuts: sorry
13:07.21simonrvni don't think you need to worry about that, Benix
13:07.42Benixsimonrvn: i read it on pro-linux
13:07.52sanxiynBenix: Link?
13:07.56FieldySnutsit must be true, it waso n the internet
13:08.03simonrvnheh
13:08.15Benixsanxiyn: hm, it was a german page, maybe i will find it, wait
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13:08.42sanxiynBenix: Well, what did the page claim?
13:08.52FieldySnutsThe Amish, famous for their renunciation of a lot of technology, are embracing a lab that has been built in the centre of their community because their faith teaches them to "help their fellow man", recognizing that helping scientists better understand the genetic causes of diabetes, mental retardation, and some of the rarer diseases in their families, helps themselves as well as others.
13:08.56FieldySnutsinteresting.
13:09.13doleybFieldySnuts: more than that!  Amish love to grow genetically-modified plants.
13:09.18abrotmanFieldySnuts: and they're just down the road from me! :)
13:09.20FieldySnutsi doubt that
13:09.29FieldySnutsyeah i know i've been in that part of PA
13:09.30abrotmanno .. they are
13:09.35FieldySnutswtf?
13:09.36simonrvni doubt they're into GMOs...
13:09.36sanxiynWhat is so special about GM plants?
13:09.50abrotmanit doesn't matter anymore
13:09.51FieldySnuts!start a war war
13:09.51dpkgeditor wars suck ass!
13:09.54DizerThey taste better.
13:09.58abrotmaneverything gets cross polinated
13:09.59DizerYummy chemicals.
13:10.08abrotmanGM isn't chemicals
13:10.10Benixsanxiyn: it was about the security-updates and that they are.. ehm.. very old and they don't have been updated because some developers changed tu ubuntu
13:10.20FieldySnutsthey can also be a lot more dangerous, and the fda just says "lalala" and pretends they are prefectly fine
13:10.20simonrvnyeh, and the GM plants fuck up the non ones
13:10.26doleybFieldySnuts: http://www.whybiotech.com/index.asp?id=3947
13:10.44doleybAmish don't respect FDA much.
13:10.45simonrvnFieldySnuts: yup. which they're not
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13:11.02FieldySnutssimonrvn: big time. Here in the USA, in california, a non-gm farmer was sued by a huge gm company. because some of their GM crop pollinated his, and they accused him of stealing trade secrets.
13:11.16sanxiynFieldySnuts: That's crazy.
13:11.18simonrvnFieldySnuts: same here, in saskatchewan
13:11.19FieldySnutspretty sure that lame case got thrown down
13:11.33sanxiynI thought plants genetically modified to resistant to insects will help improve the environment. No?
13:11.34doleybFieldySnuts: that's IP law.  Monsanto has made similar suits even for non-GM crops.
13:11.36FieldySnutsmay as well sue nature
13:11.43simonrvnhe lost his case, too. poor guy. he also had to pay monsatan's legal fees... *shudder*
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13:12.08sanxiyn(By reducing amounts of insecticide used.)
13:12.15doleybthey already had "plant patents" even by traditional selective breeding.
13:12.16FieldySnutsnews flash: monsonto sues 15 thousand honey bees for stealing trade secrets
13:12.26simonrvnSancezz: they're not resistant to insects, they're more resistant to pesticides
13:12.33simonrvnSancezz: sorry, misfire
13:12.41Visiteurhell o
13:12.44Visiteurhello
13:12.45simonrvnsanxiyn: ^^^
13:12.46FieldySnutsapt: start a world war
13:12.46aptUSA should nuke North Korea!
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13:12.59abrotmanFieldySnuts: that could be a sweet pot!
13:13.06sanxiynsimonrvn: That's different from what I heard?
13:13.09FieldySnutsgrmbl
13:13.12tarzeaujharrison: kernel package for me?
13:13.12abrotmanheh
13:13.15Visiteuri'm a newb and i have a question about the services
13:13.24tarzeau!noob
13:13.25dpkgDon't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b".  We can tell.
13:13.33doleybsanxiyn: GM is like c++, you can do almost anything with it.  But many things haven't been done yet.
13:13.37simonrvnwhich services?
13:13.40Visiteurhow stop the smtp service ?
13:13.47tarzeauVisiteur: depends how you start it, and which it is
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13:14.04tarzeauVisiteur: could be /etc/init.d/inetd stop or whatever smtpd it is
13:14.09tarzeau!qotd0
13:14.09dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, qotd24 is <sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me
13:14.16simonrvneh. sleep. shoulda been in bed hours ago
13:14.27abrotmansimonrvn: isn't it .. daytime there ?
13:14.37sanxiynsimonrvn: BT-plants are resistant to insects (by using Bacillus toxin), not to insecticides.
13:14.40simonrvnyes. like there
13:14.53abrotmansimonrvn: why would you sleep now ?
13:15.03FieldySnutsi don't care what they are, I don't want to eat GM stuff, which is very difficult in this country, there is nothing on the label which lets you know
13:15.17FieldySnutsthe best you can do is go certified usda organic, which can be quite pricey
13:15.24abrotmanFieldySnuts: i think the label is coming
13:15.27simonrvnsanxiyn: different fuckage
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13:15.33FieldySnutsnot so sure about that, though I would like that
13:16.09abrotmansimonrvn: you're CST ?
13:16.19sanxiynWell, others are free to disagree, but I do belive GM plants are generally a good thing.
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13:16.40sanxiynLabelling is fine with me though.
13:16.40abrotmansimonrvn: and you got your routing thing fixed ?
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13:17.05abrotmanand don't get me started on insecticides :)
13:17.26abrotmanwhen you talk to people who are certified to use/spread them . you find out some creepy stuff :)
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13:17.43liablehmm, what have I walked in on..
13:18.33Superkittymorning everyone (here at least) anyone have advice on hooking up a samba shared printer?
13:19.44abrotman#samba ?
13:19.53liableabrotman: just make sure you have your kids before you get a job doing that shit...
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13:21.02abrotmanliable: i don't do that shit .. nor would i
13:21.09Superkittyabrotman i am running Debian and the print wizard doesnt give the optin for a samba printer, figure it might be a debian question
13:21.10abrotmani'd rather eat the insects than that crap
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13:21.45hruskeSuperkitty see man cupsaddsmb
13:21.49abrotmanSuperkitty: you're trying to add a printer that is a smaba shared .. or share your printter via samba ?
13:22.31FieldySnutsprobably nothing wrong with eating the insects, just a bit crunchy and squishy
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13:22.46abrotmanslimy, yet satisfying
13:22.48FieldySnutsat least that's natural.
13:23.01sanxiyn"Natural", hah.
13:23.05liableFieldySnuts: lots of protein too. :)
13:23.19sanxiynAll of agriculture is as unnatural as it can get.
13:23.22Superkittyabortman i just installed Debian and want to use the networked printer
13:23.38abrotmanSuperkitty: listen to hruske i guess .. i don't own a printer :)
13:23.50liableSuperkitty: can you see it with smbclient?
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13:24.04hruskeSuperkitty, you want to use a printer on the network?
13:24.08hruskeor share one?
13:24.26zOapI know that ";" puts out a new line in shell scripts, but what if  just want a space between commands?
13:24.33sanxiyn(Well, leafcutter ants grow fungus, that doesn't count I guess...)
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13:24.51Superkittyhruske use one on a network
13:24.57hruskeoh.
13:25.22abrotmanSuperkitty: which printer wizard ?
13:25.34SuperkittyKDE
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13:26.11abrotmanyou could ask #debian-kde ... just another option
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13:26.20caphusozOap: huh?
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13:26.35abrotmani don't use kde .. so i won't be too much help with the wizard
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13:27.39Superkittyabrotman i usually use gnome
13:28.38jetxabrotman: disclaimer: i may have kde 'installed' but it's not like i use it
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13:28.46abrotmanSuperkitty: i've used the gnome print wizard once
13:28.53liableSuperkitty: smbclient -L thehost   do you see it?
13:28.54abrotmanmaybe some day i'll buy a printer
13:29.11liableSuperkitty: do you have the drivers for it?
13:29.14jetxi have yet to buy a printer... this one is my 4th or so.
13:29.19jetxnon-hot
13:29.32jetxhot==bad
13:29.37DizerAnyone see those Xerox wax printers? Fawk. Best things ever.
13:29.50edwin_gurde!tell me about myself
13:29.51DizerNothing like refilling your printer with enormous crayons :)
13:29.55Superkittyliable installing it
13:30.15FieldySnutsDizer: i installed one for a customer, phaser (phazer?) 8200 or 8400 or something. amazing
13:30.15Superkittyconnection to the host failed
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13:31.27DizerFieldySnuts: Yeah! They're the ones, really cool.
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13:34.13edwin_gurdewhat happened to dpkg?
13:34.19edwin_gurde(the bot?)
13:34.28mina_linux_Tuxhelloo i tried to install html2text_1.3.2a-2_i386 which requires libc6 >=2.3.2.ds1-21 and i'm using sarge with libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20 i tried to install the new version of libc and install it it doesn't work and also i'm afraid from system-packages dependecies.
13:34.29mina_linux_Tux<PROTECTED>
13:34.51sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: You don't.
13:35.07mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: what do you by i don't
13:35.42sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: Okay, you are using Sarge?
13:35.48hruskeSuperkitty, you need to install smbclient and cupsys, then go to kde control center, there to peripherals, printer, go to administrator mode, and then add printer.
13:35.56mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: yes
13:36.01sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: apt-get install html2text
13:36.05sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: Should work.
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13:37.20mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: without to be concerned to libc6 version ... i see that this is package has a dependecy upon a specific libc6 version
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13:38.14liablewee, a kernel compiled with gcc-4.0 that works. :)
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13:39.22sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: ???
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13:39.30sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: Sarge has necessary version of libc6 to install html2text.
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13:40.00sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: Why do you have libc6 (-20) where Sarge's version should be libc6 (-22)?
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13:40.17sanxiynAnyway, update, upgrade and installing whatever package you want should be enough.
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13:44.57_oyeexist in debian a archive called X ?
13:45.04sanxiyn_oye: ?
13:45.10jetx!info X
13:45.12mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: ok apt-get install htm.. , i got the html2text is the newest version , all of that cause i want to install alien , when i tried dpkg -i alien got dependencies probs
13:45.21_oyenothin, just comes in debian-es someone that piss me off, making all of us idiots
13:45.24_oyecuz we nevear hear
13:45.27_oyeabout a archive called X
13:45.28sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: Don't use dpkg.
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13:45.28_oyety
13:45.41sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: You use dpkg, of course you get dependencies probs.
13:45.41jetxx-window-system == X, basically....
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13:46.10jetxapt-file search X will return x-window-system i think
13:46.21jetxthere's such a file, but package, guess not.
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13:47.15lao_vhi guys, can anyone pls help? i'm trying to install debian 3.1 on my laptop and I get this error: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-0000, errno = 8
13:47.22mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: tried apt-get  , got alien: Depends rpm >= 2.4.4.2 but it is not going to be installed ..?
13:47.27lao_vi've googled for it, but can't find anything concrete
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13:47.30sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: ...
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13:47.40jetxtry apt-get install alien rpm
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13:47.46streunerhm
13:47.56beltorakhey all; how do i add a set of commands to the end of the boot sequence?
13:47.56jetxoh nm must be sid
13:47.56jarpingany repositories Enlightenment 17 please??
13:48.06streunerdpkg, e17
13:48.32sanxiynstreuner: no dpkg here.
13:48.43streunerapt, e17
13:48.44aptDon't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm.
13:48.53streunerravenbird, e17
13:48.54ravenbirdDon't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm.
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13:48.58streunerbah
13:49.00Whisky_apt-get returns this when i try to install "php4-mysql"
13:49.01Whisky_Segmentation fault
13:49.07mina_linux_Tuxjetx: always dependency errors for debhelper , html2text to libc6 ....
13:49.10sanxiynWhisky_: Oh.
13:49.22jarpinge17 no sid also e16
13:49.24sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: What kind of broken system do you have?
13:49.27streunerjarping: just google for e17 debs - they exist
13:49.30Whisky_what should I do ?
13:49.46jarpingstreuner, ok
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13:49.47jetxyeah i got a dep prob with libc6 recently... went away afaik
13:50.05streunerjarping, dpkg has a factoid (URL) about
13:50.16beltorakany takers? lol
13:50.20mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: not a broken system .. what is a good video player and what about codecs of window$
13:50.27sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: ??????
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13:50.43sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: You have Sarge. Then why do you have problem installing alien or rpm or whatever with apt-get?
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13:51.01Whisky_no matter what I do apt-get returns "Segmentation Fault"
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13:51.05Whisky_please help....................
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13:51.16sanxiynWhisky_: Not enough information. :(
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13:51.32SLiKnown bug?: '-ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. [...] read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines".'
13:51.38sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: Also why are you using dpkg to install Debian packages...
13:51.43SLiBut /mskg dpkg guidelines gets no reply.
13:51.44mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: i tried to play a movie that i saw it before on windows , i tried to run it with totem got codecs not available
13:51.45sanxiyn(dpkg directly, I mean)
13:51.48Whisky_wait
13:51.51sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: And?
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13:52.12dpkgOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of caphuso)
13:52.18streunerheh
13:52.20sanxiyndpkg: welcome!
13:52.24streunerdpkg, wb
13:52.29Whisky_sanxiyn: http://pastebin.com/310005
13:52.30dpkgThank you, sanxiyn.
13:52.34caphusoSLi: try again
13:52.35streunerdpkg, e17
13:52.36dpkgthanks, streuner.  It's good to be back.
13:52.45dpkgDon't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17
13:52.45SLicaphuso, better. Thanks :)
13:52.50mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: and what ..?... i need to play this movie which movie player may i use it ?
13:53.10Whisky_mina_linux_Tux: MPlayer
13:53.20streunerjarping, /msg dpkg dr17
13:53.27sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: I have no idea. What does that question have anything to do with installing html2text and getting dependency error?
13:53.29mina_linux_TuxWhisky_: and what about codecs
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13:53.48Whisky_mina_linux_Tux: U download them.
13:54.02egon_spenglermina_linux_Tux: try http://mplayerhq.hu
13:54.10edwin_gurde!tell me about myself
13:54.11mina_linux_TuxWhisky_: MPlayer already is a sarge package or have i to download it ?
13:54.19streunermina_: marillat has w32codecs
13:54.25sanxiynmina_linux_Tux: MPlayer is not in Sarge, unfortunately.
13:54.29beltorakok; i hate to be a pain, but I'm trying to help someone out -- we're replacing the kernel remotely, and I need to ensure that if the system doesn't finish a normal boot it that it will reboot with the old kernel in place.  What do i need to do to get a set of commands to run at the end of a boot sequence?
13:54.30jarpingstreuner, thanks
13:54.35Whisky_mina_linux_Tux: Download. Try apt-get install mplayer
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13:54.54streunermina_: they are basically identically with the essential package which is on the mplayer websiete
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13:55.04streuners/websiete/website
13:55.07Whisky_Can someone help me out? When I use apt-get i end up with apt-get saying "Segmentation Fault". Please have a look at this paste: http://pastebin.com/310005
13:55.33mina_linux_TuxWhisky_: couldn't find package mplayer
13:55.49Whisky_mina_linux_Tux: [18:55] <egon_spengler> mina_linux_Tux: try http://mplayerhq.hu
13:55.55streuner!tell mina_linux_Tux about mplayer
13:56.05dracWhisky_: Broken hardware..
13:56.10Whisky_:|
13:56.11Whisky_what "
13:56.12Whisky_?
13:56.20Whisky_broken hardware?!?!?!?
13:56.22doleybWhisky_: check if your PC is in flames.
13:56.26SLiOk. But I had a thing to ask. Kind of technical one. I have made ABI-breaking changes to a library (libapt-pkg in package apt) and want to test it with everything. What's the easiest way to recompile every package that requires it so that further upgrades won't be broken (i.e. either apt+all depends get upgraded, or none of them)?
13:56.31Whisky_what the :|
13:56.53Whisky_Segmentation faulty Tree... 54%
13:56.53Whisky_channelbss:~#
13:57.09Whisky_geez
13:57.13Whisky_come on, be serious :S
13:57.14takatumibeltorak: if booting craps out halfway with an error, it won't get to run those commands.
13:57.32dracWhisky_: Bad memory or broken harddisk. Maybe running memtest86.. and badblocks to find out wich one is it
13:57.37mina_linux_Tuxsanxiyn: may i know please what is here as a dependencies problems is like something wrong with my system or is it normal ?
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13:57.55Whisky_drac: IT was ok 10 minutes ago
13:57.58caphusoWhisky_: try deleting /var/cache/apt/*.bin first
13:58.06streunermina_lin: read the FUCKING factoid i told you
13:58.10caphusothen rerun apt-get update
13:58.12mina_linux_TuxWhisky_: what about this link to install the tarball and try to build the MPlayer ?
13:58.18streunermina_linux_Tux: ^^^
13:58.23asadamd64system hangs at ip1394: eth2: could not allocate isochronous receive context for the broadcast channel. amd64 debian
13:58.24beltorakwell there's nothing i can do in the event of a kernel panic, granted, but for most things (unable to connect to the net, unable to spawn ghetties, etc) I *can* do this;
13:58.37Whisky_mina_linux_Tux: Crap. www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
13:59.16asadamd64any suggestion
13:59.20beltorakI've done it my my system, but i don't run a debian...
13:59.39streunerasadamd64: wrong channel
13:59.50streunerasadamd64: go to #debian-amd64 please.
13:59.53Whisky_caphuso: Still the samem, "Segmentation fault
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14:00.21SDFH_Linuxwhere can i search for debian packages
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14:00.28caphusoSDFH_Linux: man apt-cache
14:00.36streunerSDFH: /msg dpkg search
14:00.37SDFH_Linuxisnt there a web site
14:00.45SDFH_Linuxfor them new ones
14:01.17timoSDFH_Linux, http://packages.debian.org/
14:01.33green_earzSDFH_Linux: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
14:01.34Whisky_caphuso: Still the faulty segmentations. What else can be done ?
14:01.39streuner<--- I-Net Cafe....
14:02.00caphusoWhisky_: lots of things... strace and gdb come to mind
14:02.10Whisky_strace and gdb? :/
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14:02.19streunerdpkg, info strace
14:02.24caphusoWhisky_: or checking for broken hardware and damaged filesystems
14:02.26dpkgstrace: (A system call tracer), section utils, is standard. Version: 4.5.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
14:02.34streunerdpkg, info gdb
14:02.37dpkggdb: (The GNU Debugger), section devel, is standard. Version: 6.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 2702 kB, Installed size: 5368 kB
14:03.18Whisky_-bash: gdb: command not found
14:03.19Whisky_:p
14:03.19liablestreuner: hows xorg behaving?
14:03.20caphusoyeah, great, now we know lots of unimportant stuff about strace and gdb
14:03.29streunerliable: great
14:03.43streunerliable: no problems on my sid box
14:04.29liablestreuner: good stuff.
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14:04.51streunerliable: there is a backport for sarge too, dunno if nobse fixed it yet
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14:05.05dracbeam me up, scotty
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14:05.56llama32night all
14:06.50Whisky_im pwnd
14:06.56Whisky_I really dont know what to do -_-
14:07.32streunerWhisky_: someone told you already
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14:07.35liableWhisky_: take it off the net, format, re-install...
14:07.50Whisky_liable: Its a remote machine.
14:07.56Whisky_staniel: the GDB ?
14:08.09streunerWhisky_: or/and strace
14:08.10liableWhisky_: so.
14:08.22Whisky_streuner: How do i run GDB ?
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14:08.33takatumibeltorak: /msg dpkg rc.local
14:08.38jeffrinhello all
14:08.49streunerWhisky_: read the RTFM
14:09.13Whisky_streuner: stfy thx pls
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14:09.22beltorakthanks takatumi
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14:09.57sanxiynWhisky_: gdb <program name>, or gdb <program name> <core file>, if you have core file.
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14:10.20FieldySnuts!aolify Whisky_
14:10.27Whisky_lol
14:10.34Whisky_sanxiyn: thanks
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14:10.55jeffrinhello all
14:11.06Whisky_but as i said
14:11.09Whisky_-bash: gdb: command not found
14:11.09Whisky_:S
14:11.18jethroWhisky_: how do I run teh GDB ??!! lolol
14:11.20FieldySnuts*install* it perhaps?
14:11.23jeffrinhow to generate a .pc file using pkg-config of a installed debian package
14:11.39FieldySnutsdo we get to know what a .pc file is?
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14:11.52FieldySnuts!irritate jethro
14:11.53dpkgjethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound lol
14:12.07Whisky_FieldySnuts: And for that i'd be needing apt-get which is screwed ?
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14:12.10jethroravenbird: aussiesmite FieldySnuts
14:12.10ravenbirdFieldySnuts: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog
14:12.16FieldySnutseh
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14:12.24jharrisontarzeau: linuxbs.org/public/
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14:12.30sanxiynFieldySnuts: Well, apparently Whisky_'s apt-get is screwed?
14:12.30FieldySnutsnever had that called on me (irony since i made it)
14:12.40liable@annoy jethro
14:12.40ravenbirdjethro:  bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!!
14:12.43FieldySnutsoh. that's crewed... i dunno :(
14:12.50jethrohi liable :)
14:12.58jeffrinhello
14:13.05jeffrinhow to generate a .pc file using pkg-config of a installed debian package
14:13.05liablejethro: howdy, hows things?
14:13.13FieldySnutsdpkg: aussiesmite jethro
14:13.14dpkgjethro: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker
14:13.26sanxiyn$ wtf is rtfm
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14:13.27liablehah, love that one.
14:13.28lildudex windows flux box debian sarge 80 ram is that faster than kde
14:13.32sanxiynRTFM: read the fine/fucking manual
14:13.34beltorakok takatumi -- that was somewhat helpful -- but i don't have a debian system, so i can't 'man update-rc.d' or 'apt-get rc.conf' and have any idea what they do
14:13.38jethroliable: fine thanks.
14:13.45FieldySnutsdpkg and ravenbirds aussiesmite say different crap
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14:14.00jharrisontarzeau: if you have problems let me know so we can work them out
14:14.09jharrisontarzeau: you should not need initrd
14:14.22takatumibeltorak: aren't you upgrading the kernel on a debian system?
14:14.33beltorakyes i am -- a *remote* debian system
14:14.41jharrisontarzeau: im trying to figure out how to build .deb packages with scons by the way
14:14.48beltorakI run slackware, and the person i am helping runs windows normally
14:15.07FieldySnutsdpkg: confuse #debian
14:15.09dpkgYes, them are their weasel yesterday, #debian? shirts of the people's republic of micronesia with extra herring
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14:15.31takatumibeltorak: ssh in and read the man pages, install what is required, with no one who runs debian around, why are you even upgrading the kernel in the first place?
14:15.43wressHi ! Anyone please help me in Sendmail configuration ?
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14:15.49tarzeaujharrison: will try on monday. thanks
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14:16.09lildudedebain sarge  80 ram  fluxbox  faster than kde?
14:16.11beltoraklol -- the guy I'm helping just bought the server
14:16.32beltorakhe needed to patch the kernel....
14:16.34liablelildude: err, prolly, yes..
14:16.50jharrisontarzeau: no problem
14:16.56lildudedebain is better than ubunt i hope
14:16.59jharrisontarzeau: how did the starbucks and the LUG go?
14:17.06liable!debain
14:17.07dpkgDebian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
14:17.12lildudehave to get debian  x on  my outer box
14:17.24Dizerlildude: Ubuntu is based on Debian. At a lowish level they're not that different.
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14:17.42FieldySnutschrist
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14:17.52liableyes my son?
14:18.05lildudeyeah
14:18.06sanxiynDizer: Well, Ubuntu Breezy has GCC 4 transition finished. That's quite a difference no?
14:18.09beltorakoh well; he feels brave, so its time to reboot;
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14:19.08lildudeis opera in debian
14:19.13streunerno
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14:19.23jharrisonlildude: apt-cache searc opera and find out
14:19.23sanxiynlildude: No, but opera.com provides .deb.
14:19.29dystopianit's "pay for" software
14:19.38liableewww
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14:19.46sanxiyndystopian: No, you can download a free version.
14:19.58tarzeaujharrison: fine.
14:20.02sanxiynhttp://opera.com/download/ , Choose Debian.
14:20.12jharrisontarzeau: have you ever played around with scons?
14:20.20streunerfree version is crap
14:20.24takatumibut you get to see ads
14:20.25initechscrew opera
14:20.26Guerinbah
14:20.26lildudewould ap-get opra work
14:20.28AtulaI've been trying to set PATH... but it doesn't seem to be working.... I want my ~/bin to work... I edited /etc/profie ... still didn't work
14:20.32Guerinfuck opera
14:20.34sanxiynlildude: No.
14:20.36dystopianthat's true sanxiyn. I forgot about that version. it's all cluttered with advertisements though.
14:20.40initech!fuck opera
14:20.44streuner!mhallsmite opera
14:20.45dpkgFuck opera. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick.
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14:20.54liablehaha
14:20.55lildudethen waht i tell debian to do to find  f tp and get opera
14:21.05initechopera is for comfort addicted Mac users
14:21.07sanxiyndystopian: If you just want to browser compatibility with Opera, it doesn't matter.
14:21.13sanxiyndystopian: It's useful for me in that way.
14:21.20sanxiyns/want to/want to test/
14:21.20jharrisonlildude: would you like us to log in and just do it for you?
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14:21.36AtulaI've been trying to set PATH... but it doesn't seem to be working.... I want my ~/bin to work... I edited /etc/profie ... still didn't work, can someone help me thanks
14:21.36liableyes, give us a shell..
14:21.37Dizersanxiyn: No. That's not quite a difference, when you know little of the ways of Linux.
14:21.39lildudeno il do it my self if i can
14:21.52dystopianwhatever you say sanxiyn
14:21.56lildudejust tell me how that  box not on network
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14:21.58jharrisonlildude: but we could do it in 2 seconds if you let us log in
14:22.04DizerThis news just in: GCC-4 doesn't change world.
14:22.12Guerinjharrison: come now.
14:22.12FieldySnutsDizer: it breaks it.
14:22.13lildudeits not in network
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14:22.17jharrisonlildude: how are you going to ftp it to the box if it is not on a network
14:22.18dystopianDizer, hahaha
14:22.20liableDizer: of course it does.
14:22.20eliripshello people. anyone knows what tool is used on this screenshot to display the system-info: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=1809751816408cbe3db51c1&m=screen ?
14:22.21Dizerelirips: http://tinyurl.com/ak2jp
14:22.28GuerinDizer: try building a kernel with it and then get back to me.
14:22.28lildudeit is online
14:22.36dvsGuerin: I just did
14:22.36FieldySnutsyou just said it's not on the damn network
14:22.40FieldySnuts!confuse lildude
14:22.42dpkgYes, where is my ferret yesterday, lildude? lederhosen of the republic of tahiti with extra cream
14:22.42lildude<PROTECTED>
14:22.44initechelirips: superkaramba
14:22.45liableGuerin: done, works fine..
14:22.47KepplarAnyone know of a package which just generates md5 of whatever you input?
14:23.04lildudeits on second dsl line
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14:23.07dvsGuerin: It's the C++ part i'm having trouble with
14:23.12sanxiynDizer: GCC 4 doesn't change the world; but transition is one of the things that need to be done, sooner or later.
14:23.13DizerKepplar: md5sum? :)
14:23.17Guerinoh, linux builds on 4.0 now?
14:23.22FieldySnutsi doubt that
14:23.25liableyes
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14:23.28dvsGuerin: At least the kernel does
14:23.30KepplarDizer: lol, wonder why my apt-cache search didnt pick that up!
14:23.31Guerinfunny
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14:23.34Guerindidn't yesterday
14:23.34FieldySnuts4.0 is so pedantic, tons of code breaks on it
14:23.42liablebah
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14:23.49Guerindvs: is there another linux?
14:23.49js_Kepplar: it's a part of the dpkg package, so you have it on your system
14:23.52FieldySnutsgranted the code should be fixed but whatever
14:23.52eliripsinitech, thanks.
14:24.00DizerPedantic == Good.
14:24.01FieldySnutsdpkg: start a compiler war
14:24.04Atulaelirips, hey, whats that System info display? thats not gkrellm is it?
14:24.16dvsGuerin: Some people refer (incorrectly)to Linux as the whole operating system
14:24.22FieldySnutsDizer: attempting to get people, who aren't even around anymore, to fix the code they no longer maintain != fun
14:24.29DizerThis is true.
14:24.34FieldySnutsoh well, evolve or die
14:24.42KepplarWait a sec, this requires a file input, this isnt what I need
14:24.44GuerinDizer: i know; i lart people for it on a routine basis.
14:24.47Guerinbah
14:24.49Guerindvs:
14:24.54dvs?
14:24.56takatumielirips: you can do similar displays with gdesklets as well.
14:25.00jharrisonlinux is not the whole operating system?
14:25.07dvsjharrison: I agree
14:25.08Guerindvs: see my above comment to Dizer
14:25.08jharrisonoh man
14:25.09FieldySnuts~lart jharrison
14:25.16jharrisonnow I have to rethink everything
14:25.28Guerinjharrison: ENOBEER
14:25.28FieldySnutsmy computer isn't the hard drive?
14:25.44jharrisonalthough debian/kfreebsd makes more sense now :-P
14:25.49Atulasomeone help me with setting path please. how do I get my ~/bin to work?
14:25.56js_FieldySnuts: you mean your hard drive isn't your computer? :)
14:26.01AtulaI've fixed /etc/profie.... but not use
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14:26.04liable!irritate Atula
14:26.05dpkgAtula: HELP ME!!! how can I make my knoppix werkz kthx
14:26.13streunerAtula: what version of debian do you use?
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14:26.15GuerinAtula: export PATH=~/bin:$PATH
14:26.27dvsAtula: in .bash_profile
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14:26.32GuerinAtula: to do it permanently, edit .bash_profile
14:26.34hecateanyone knows where to get daily images for installing sarge?
14:26.37streunerAtula: and what do you wanna use?
14:26.38hecatei forgot the site
14:26.38initechAtula: you mean in X? you have to start whatever you're using as a term as a login shell, then it should pick up /etc/profile and friends
14:26.43FieldySnuts<PROTECTED>
14:26.43lildudecan some send me deb sarge book pdf?
14:26.46jharrisonhehe
14:26.47streunerhecate: /msg dpkg d-i
14:26.53dvsFieldySnuts: That's for everyone
14:26.56hecatethanks
14:27.00Guerin!tell lildude about install guide
14:27.09FieldySnutsdpkg: date Guerin
14:27.12jharrisonman
14:27.25Guerini thought dpkg was ignoring you, FieldySnuts
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14:27.30jharrisonthe amount of questions that could be answered with just a tiny bit of effort is just incredible
14:27.33FieldySnutsnothing to see here, move along
14:27.38streunerFieldySnuts: some infos to the people would might help...
14:27.55FieldySnutsstreuner: heh like adding a random telephone number?
14:27.57eliripsAtula, i dont know i came in here to get to know what it is ;)
14:28.07UnWorldlyhow do I make debian use the framebuffer console that has the picture of the penguin holding a beer mug
14:28.08eliripstakatumi, thx, i'm going to have a look at that too.
14:28.18streunerFieldySnuts: well, it would be some info :-)
14:28.18FieldySnutsbbl
14:28.20DizerUnWorldly: For the love of God no.
14:28.35liableUnWorldly: hah, google, and use a vanilla kernel
14:28.35GuerinUnWorldly: framebuffer howto on tldp.org
14:28.39hecatehmm, last time i installed sarge i had to download daily images from some dudes homepage
14:28.42Guerinworks with debian kernels
14:28.46hecateusing basic sarge installer didnt work
14:28.54liableno
14:28.57streunerhecate: what didn't work?
14:29.03FieldySnutshecate: sarge is stable now, that was probably before it went stable
14:29.13hecateah yeah it was like a year ago indeed
14:29.13lildudei need a sarge boook
14:29.23dystopiansounds like hecate tried it a long time ago or something...
14:29.24takatumihecate: it's stable now, all the bug fixes from those dailies should have gone in.
14:29.27streunerlildude: /msg dpkg ig
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14:29.29Guerinlildude: buy the Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible
14:29.39LiamHHow do I set an environment variable so that the scripts invoked by dpkg-buildpackage see the value?
14:29.44takatumilildude: try the debian-reference package.
14:29.48Guerinlildude: it's an actual book which has just been published, written by debian developers
14:29.49initechsarge is stable, but it is way buggier than woody was IMO
14:30.03liableinitech: how?
14:30.24Guerinlildude: man export
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14:30.26Guerinbah
14:30.30lildudei could  buy the bible
14:30.30GuerinLiamH: man export
14:30.36hecatehmm i see only cd and dvd sets but no floppy installation supported anymore?
14:30.41liablegebian-refernce is good ..
14:30.44liablegah
14:31.11initechliable: well, where to start. There's a bug in kdm that causes it to not accept keyboard input that is a trivial fix. This was not fixed in the release, yet the bug was "solved" long before
14:31.50initechliable: pointing security at testing was a major fuck up
14:31.51lildudeok  no pdf  book ok il buy one then
14:31.57liableinitech: oh, so that *one* bug makes it, "way buggier" ?
14:32.02LiamHGuerin: setenv in csh equivalent?
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14:32.49initechliable: autofs can't seem to unmount things on shutdown and goes into uninterrubtible sleep, hanging the system on a halt - BAD
14:33.04lildudewaht are the x windows  that arnt hungry is flux box  the only one
14:33.08GuerinLiamH: i know nothing about csh, sorry.
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14:33.15Guerinlildude: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0764547100/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-8951836-3648053#reader-link
14:33.16takatumilildude: ion3
14:33.16DizerGuerin: http://tinyurl.com/8bfse
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14:33.29EsajEsajmysqladmin: Symbol `sql_protocol_typelib' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking
14:33.33initechliable: but I seem to be finding stuff like this all over
14:33.42liableinitech: yes, thats sounds bad, indeed.
14:33.50GuerinDizer: woah
14:34.09DizerGuerin: ?
14:34.23GuerinDizer: you just pasted the identical link to me
14:34.24initechyet, I'll take debian over anything else, anyday, but then I can fix these sorts of things
14:34.31GuerinDizer: and i have no idea why
14:34.41lildudethanks
14:34.49DizerGuerin: Oh, heh, that's just a perl script that I run to make it easier for people to follow links people use in IRC.
14:34.52dystopianhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764576445/qid=1120919650/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-3535973-0506206
14:34.53Dizerdystopian: http://tinyurl.com/capr2
14:34.56Gneahrm... can anyone reach http://drupal.org ?
14:35.05LiamHGuerin: switched to sh, exported value is not seen.
14:35.09dystopianthat is more up to date. debian 3.1 bible
14:35.26sanxiynGnea: No, I can't.
14:35.36GuerinDizer: ok
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14:35.45GuerinDizer: you'd better turn it off before someone turns you off
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14:35.57Gneasanxiyn: :(
14:36.01DizerHow about 'No'.
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14:36.12GuerinDizer: how about 'wait until caphuso sees it'
14:36.16caphusowanna bet?
14:36.18Vibhutihey guys squid gives warning on start
14:36.19Guerinheh
14:36.20streunerGnea: no
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14:36.28Guerin!warnings
14:36.28dpkgYerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
14:36.32DizerGuerin: I don't know or care who that is :)
14:36.32GuerinVibhuti: ^^^
14:36.40Guerinfamous last words
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14:37.15caphusoDizer: well, you've been warned. deal with the consequences
14:37.17VibhutiNetmask masks away part of the specified ip 'ip_address'
14:37.37Atulaxterm is color coded automatically? how come mine is not color coded?
14:37.38petemchttp://www.google.com
14:37.46DizerAtula: Colour coded?
14:37.56Vibhutii wnat to specify the range 192.168.10.160-192.168.10.225 in acl
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14:38.21Vibhutihowver the netmask for this range is my problem
14:38.21Atulacan't you just use 192.168.10.160-225?
14:38.22caphusoAtula: what does 'echo -e "\e[31mfoo"' do?
14:38.24stewAtula: i think you probably mean: alias ls='ls --color=auto'
14:38.37lildudehow do you stop tex from auto scrolling
14:38.39Vibhutiif i give 255.255.255.0 it is not ready to take
14:38.41Atulano. my vi isn't color coded
14:38.44stewVibhuti: apt-get install ipcalc; ipcalc 192.168.10.160 - 192.168.10.225
14:38.44Harley^When debian first installs, the installer gives the option to return later to A PROGRAM to set up other portions of the system such as a web server or a print server or a file server, etc.  What is the name of that program ?
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14:38.51Vibhutiand ives the above said error
14:38.52caphusoAtula: which vi?
14:39.01*** mode/#debian [+l 780] by debhelper
14:39.04Atulalildude, use "|more"
14:39.06Vibhutiok let mecheck:stew
14:39.12Atulacaphuso, vim?
14:39.19caphusoAtula: :syntax on
14:39.34lildude"|more"
14:39.36Vibhutiis it an UI based system
14:39.37tarzeaujharrison: nope, never played with scons
14:39.40doleybHarley^: maybe it is tasksel
14:39.42stewVibhuti: no
14:39.44liableHarley^: err, dont think you can get that, out of the installer..
14:39.50Vibhutii am working on commannd prompt
14:39.54stewVibhuti: this is the thing that simonrvn told you to use 6 hours ago
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14:40.08lildudewere do i  put that  that command to stop texst
14:40.11lildudetext
14:40.15Vibhutiyes hoever ileft for a different task
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14:40.38Atulaaphuso, to make it automatic... do I edit the vi config?
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14:40.44sanxiynAtula: Yes.
14:40.55sanxiynAtula: Add "syntax on" to your .vimrc.
14:40.59DizerJust edit your ~/.vimrc .
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14:41.04DizerHeh.
14:41.23Atula.vimrc is in /etc/ or ~/?
14:41.23fortran01what excellent planner tool can you recommend for Linux?
14:41.29sanxiynAtula: ~/
14:41.36AtulaI don't seem to have that
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14:41.40DizerAtula: /etc/vim/vimrc is the systemwide config.
14:41.41Atulaonly .viminfo
14:41.46DizerAtula: You can make it.
14:41.47Atulak
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14:42.04sanxiynfortran01: There's Imendio Planner (Debian package name: planner) but it's not really excellent, IMO.
14:42.23sanxiynfortran01: If you found something better, let me know.
14:42.26lildudehow  do you stop text
14:42.37caphusolildude: what the hell does "stop text" mean?
14:42.40caplink811_loglildude,  less textfile or cat texfile|more
14:42.41liableeh?
14:42.50sanxiynlildude: Ctrl-Z
14:42.57fortran01sanxiyn: =) just starting out with a Linux planner. I want to know what Linux users are using.
14:43.04lildudestop scrolling
14:43.16caphusolildude: stop what from scrolling?
14:43.17liablelildude: at boot?
14:43.21dystopianwhat the hell is lildude talking about?
14:43.23lildudethe text
14:43.25caphusolildude: and if you say "text", i'm going to kick you
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14:43.35caphusolildude: moron
14:43.45caphusolildude: now explain _exactly_ what problem you have
14:44.07Harley^I get an ERROR message when I attempt to run tasksel. debconf: DbDriver "config" : /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process. And then a huge list of already installed software is asked to be removed include kde and most of X windows. How do I rebuild the scrollkeeper database or fix this problem ?
14:44.08lildudeauto scrolling id like to take off
14:44.09caphusotext doesn't scroll, it's just etxt
14:44.17DizerDude. Chill.
14:44.18caphusolildude: autoscrolling of fucking what?
14:44.39lildudethe words here
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14:44.55takatumilildude: which irc client?
14:44.55liablehah, in irc??
14:44.58caphusolildude: did you mother accidentally drop you head first on the floor once too often?
14:45.01dystopianoh crap. did he just say that? "the text here"?
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14:45.06caphusodystopian: yes
14:45.09luulisanyone else had problems with libwine-gl? for me it seems it isnt used by wine at all..
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14:45.25vautehhello there
14:45.51dystopianbless your heart lildude. you can't stop the "text" here. it scrolls because it is irc chat and people keep adding to it so to speak.
14:46.10dondelelcarothe only way you can stop it is using XOFF and XON
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14:46.27dondelelcarousually ^S and ^Q... but that's terminal dependant.
14:46.31liablelildude: explain what you are on about, otherwise...
14:46.32caphusodondelelcaro: not necessarily. most sane clients also stop scrolling if you scroll up a bit
14:46.33EsajEsajor you could kill all the people
14:46.35vautehi'm nearly going crazy. a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 seems to work, but there is absolutly no kind of config in /etc/X11 - what am i doing wrong?
14:46.53liablepage up
14:47.03dondelelcarocaphuso: true... but that only works if you have enough buffer...
14:47.12valdynvauteh: /msg dpkg x md5
14:47.12dondelelcaro(or, often only works)
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14:47.19doleyblildude: to stop the text, type /join #dibean
14:47.22Harley^vauteh is there a XF86Config-4 file ?
14:47.33vautehHarley^: i deleted it, because i ruined it :)
14:47.43vautehHarley^: i touched one, but that didnt help
14:47.55dvsYay!  I fixed my C++ compile problem
14:48.03sanxiyndoleyb: #dibean?
14:48.04vautehvaldyn: ah, thank you very much :)
14:48.14liable!tell vauteh about xmd5sum
14:48.23vautehvaldyn: i googled, but havend found that bug
14:48.45vautehthank you so much %)
14:48.54doleybsanxiyn: yes, in #dibean the text doesn't scroll.  In fact there is no text at all.
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14:49.09sanxiyndoleyb: What a great feature!
14:50.22liable!sarcasm
14:50.22dpkgrumour has it, sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition"
14:51.18arafat!irony
14:51.18dpkgirony is probably "Well, I just installed Debian...glad to be rid of that hated Micro$oft crap...now, is there a mIRC for Debian? And how do I set up VMWare so I can emulate the OS I hate and ruin the performace of the OS I'm not qualified to be using? --Liena"
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14:52.20arafat!cynicism
14:53.00sanxiyn"Is there a mIRC for Debian?"
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14:53.17liablelets hope not.
14:53.21sanxiynWell, mIRC for Linux may be a good idea after all.
14:53.27sanxiynIf you can reuse all mIRC scripts.
14:53.28dystopianyeah, it's called X-Chat
14:53.35sanxiyndystopian: That doesn't run mIRC scripts.
14:53.46Gneasanxiyn: thank god.
14:53.48dystopianand my comment was a joke. duh
14:53.56dystopiannevermind
14:53.59Gnea:)
14:54.48furball`Is there a command for checking amount of free ram?
14:54.51sanxiynI believe someone crazy enough can make an X-Chat plugin to run mIRC scripts.
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14:54.55sanxiynfurball`: free
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14:55.02Gneafree
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14:55.15Techdeckcan anyone remind me what to do when apt-get dist-upgrade seg faults when it tries to calculate the dependencies?
14:55.28dystopianwhy pollute x-chat like that?
14:55.36Gneasanxiyn: are you aware of the status of x-chat on the win32 platform is right now?
14:55.43TechdeckI remember I needed to remove some file... but I don't rememebr which
14:55.44sanxiyndystopian: Because there are some very useful mIRC scripts actually?
14:55.54liableTechdeck: remind you? this happens often?
14:55.56sanxiynGnea: http://silverex.org/news/
14:55.59jharrisontarzeau: ping
14:55.59GneaTechdeck: apt-get upgrade ?
14:56.00Techdeckliable, it happend before
14:56.06sanxiynGnea: 'nuf said.
14:56.06TechdeckGnea, same deal
14:56.19liableTechdeck: whats the error?
14:56.24TechdeckReading Package Lists... Done
14:56.24TechdeckSegmentation faulty Tree... 53%
14:56.34Gneasanxiyn: nice
14:56.37TechdeckSegmentation fault
14:56.47GneaTechdeck: doesn't sound good... what happened?
14:57.01liableTechdeck: run memstat
14:57.09Techdeckhmm
14:57.10Techdeckok
14:57.11Techdeckthanks
14:57.50liableerr, memtest
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14:58.31furball`Mmk then, RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize <- that takes up ram, right?
14:58.33sanxiynHm, when mem has problem, it used to be that GCC is the first to die. It's now APT?
14:59.06sanxiynSince both creates some big data structure, no wonder.
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14:59.35YeremyHiya all!
14:59.41sanxiynHello
14:59.46YeremyI need help :(
14:59.54sanxiynGo ahead.
14:59.55DizerWhat can we do for you today.
14:59.55liabledont we all ..
15:00.02DizerSex life? Family problems?
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15:00.10liableyes sex..
15:00.21Gneasex? *perk*
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15:00.26YeremyWhere I can find some extenderd info about devices supported bu 3.1r0?
15:00.37DizerDefine 'extended'.
15:00.40YeremyI mean only list of those devices
15:00.43liableYeremy: google of course.
15:00.48GneaYeremy: depends what kernel you use
15:00.54YeremyI see
15:01.04DizerSaid the blind man?
15:01.14GneaYeremy: if you choose the linux26 option, your horizons broaden
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15:01.35YeremyWell, the older versions didn't support my modem, so I use it on windows....
15:01.48YeremySo I need to know if it is supported..
15:01.51Gneaprobably a winmodem
15:02.02YeremyYup... I guess so....
15:02.12liableYeremy: you visited linmodems.org?
15:02.13DizerBuy an external modem.
15:02.17YeremyLike?
15:02.18liableno
15:02.31YeremyI did
15:02.33Gneaget the chipset spec out of lspci and subsystem chip type and google for it
15:02.37liableand?
15:02.39GneaUS Robotics
15:02.40YeremyIt did'n help
15:02.44Gneabest modems EVER
15:02.55YeremyPrizes?
15:03.03Gnea????
15:03.07liableYeremy: you ran scanmodem, and posted , the results on the mailing list?
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15:03.16DizerOf course he did.
15:03.18dystopianprizes?
15:03.31Gneaooooooooh yeah, prizes
15:03.34dystopianyou mean you got it out of a cracker jck box?
15:03.36YeremyHow much i have to pay to have the cheapest
15:03.51DizerYeremy: woman?
15:03.56liablewtf
15:04.02GneaYeremy: what kinda question is that?
15:04.05Gneaget real
15:04.09sanxiynYeremy: If you have SATA disk, set BIOS legacy ATA mode before running Sarge installer.
15:04.31YeremyHuh... I'm a noob...
15:04.34liableYeremy: dont message me, rad the topic please..
15:04.36YeremyNewbie...
15:04.43Gnealol
15:04.51Gneaat least you admit it
15:05.18Yeremy:D
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15:05.28GneaYeremy: i don't know what the polish equiv would be, try searching usr.com, newegg.com or ebay
15:05.34liableYeremy: get the scanmodem script, run it, report the results to linmodems list.
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15:05.59DizerYeremy: Buy the cheapest external modem you can find and save yourself a tonne of bother.
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15:06.11JeffHI just installed nss-mysql and it is querying the database fine.. but when I try to login as a user it isn't even trying to access the database to authenticate.
15:06.18YeremyDizer: Nice solution
15:06.22liablebah, its not that hard if its supported..
15:06.30DizerJeffH: Have you setup pam correctly?
15:06.39liableand a lot are these days.
15:06.40DizerJeffH: Also, mysql nss, are you crazy?
15:06.53Gnealiable: hey, he asked for a solution so we gave him some choices
15:06.57Yeremyliable: I've scanned it under Win, cuz my Lin couldn't run the screept without problems...
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15:07.14Yeremyscript*
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15:07.19JeffHDizer: I believe I have.. why would I be crazy for setting up nss-mysql?
15:07.29liableYeremy: well, your not doing it right, its a simple script..
15:07.40Yeremymaby it is...
15:07.44Yeremyi guess i try it again
15:07.52GneaYeremy: it's a PCI modem?
15:07.56Yeremyyup
15:08.04Gneawhat does lspci have to say about it?
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15:08.19DizerJeffH: Once you're logged in, can you finger someone and get the correct information? If yes, nss is working correctly, but pam probably isn't.
15:08.20Yeremyi goota boot my lin to find it out :D
15:08.26xluluxive installed debian sarg but its REALLY slow on fluxbox, it uses 51% cpu on idle. i dont understand why its so freakin slow can anyone help me to figure out how to make things not be so laggy
15:08.26Gneaok
15:08.39DizerJeffH: Also, if you're running nscd you might want to try and restart it.
15:08.48Gneado it - write down the entire line that it gives out - do a lspci -v too and get the Subsystem: line as well
15:08.51JeffHnot running nscd
15:08.57Dizerxlulux: What's the top item shown in top?
15:09.20YeremyGnea: Thanks for the tip, i'll try the linmodem.org solution first if you don't mind ;)
15:09.28xluluxxfree86, and mozilla
15:09.42sh4dowcathow do you restrict the amount of modules alsa compiles?
15:09.46JeffHDizer: yes, finger shows all the right info.
15:09.50GneaYeremy: do what you gotta do - but you might wanna try with that and at least get a proper identification string to match it up with
15:09.51Dizerxlulux: Perhaps mozilla is gone crazy?
15:10.03DizerJeffH: Pam mustn't be setup correctly so.
15:10.07YeremySee you all soon if I make my win-shity modem work good....
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15:10.20Gneacrazyness
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15:10.27xluluxyeah its actually firefox that im running cause mozilla is just way toooo slow, im running a 600mhz p3 and i cant believe it takes 300mhz to run firefox..
15:10.29DizerJeffH: Make sure the mysql line is marked as 'sufficent' and comes before the unix line.
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15:10.45JeffHDizer: something else I've noticed tools such as chsh and addgroup, adduser aren't writing to the database.
15:10.52Guerinxlulux: it doesn't, naturally.
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15:11.01Gneaxlulux: i find if i keep the tab count down it runs better
15:11.02tarzeaujharrison: pong?
15:11.06tarzeaujharrison: sorry i'm going again grilling
15:11.11Guerinxlulux: if it's slow on that machine, you're doing something horribly wrong
15:11.12belhifethow many cds is debian 3.1
15:11.15belhifet?
15:11.30stewbelhifet: 15, i think, but you don't need them all
15:11.30liablebelhifet: 14
15:11.34Guerini run firefox 24x7 for weeks at a time with dozens of tabs open on a p2-233 and have absolutely no problems
15:11.35stewbelhifet: /msg dpkg netinst
15:11.45xluluxand it doesnt show its using that much any more. just like 20% idle but the flipping through the screens is taking almost 5 seconds
15:11.48JeffHwhy would you need anything more than the netinst cd?
15:11.49liableGnea: dozens?
15:11.58liableGuerin: ^^
15:12.06Guerinxlulux: lots of flash/java?
15:12.08Guerinliable: yup
15:12.19Gnealiable: well i run dozens on my machine now that i have the ram to support it HEH
15:12.21belhifethow many do i need?
15:12.27Guerini have 256
15:12.30Gneabelhifet: just the first
15:12.31xluluxguerin: no im at linuxquestions.org
15:12.32Guerinramm, that is
15:12.33liableshit, my 512mB baulks occasionaly
15:12.38Gneai have 1Gb
15:12.46Guerini use evilwm, though
15:12.56Gneahrm
15:12.57Dizerevilwm?
15:12.59Guerinnot any of that other evil bloatware
15:13.01Gneai should update E17 today
15:13.02belhifetgnea: the others are extra packages?
15:13.03Guerinit's evil
15:13.10DizerOk :)
15:13.20furball`Where is the cryptographic api needed?
15:13.21xluluxdebian is kind of dissapointing me because this is being so slow
15:13.22Guerinso evil it's come right back around to being good
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15:13.34Gneabelhifet: basically - are you intending on having a persistant internet connection with it?
15:13.34JeffHDo I need libpam-mysql?
15:13.37xluluxif i could just figure out what use flags to use i would go for gentoo again
15:13.39Guerinxlulux: how much ram and what DE are you using?
15:13.40DizerJeffH: Erm. Yes.
15:13.47xluluxDE?
15:13.48initechman, I got 1.2GB and I'm gonna USE it, so I use KDE
15:13.50initech:)
15:13.52Guerinxlulux: yeah, because that'd be faster.
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15:14.03Guerinxlulux: desktop environment
15:14.03JeffHI thought the point of nss-mysql was that IT handled the access layer.
15:14.15dystopiani run a weird amount of ram - 768 megs but around 540 of that is usually free
15:14.16DizerJeffH: It does, for name service, not for authentication.
15:14.17Gneainitech: LOL
15:14.23xluluxi have 160mb. 512swap, and running fluxbox
15:14.25DizerJeffH: Pam manages authentication.
15:14.25Gneawhat a waste
15:14.30JeffHI see.
15:14.41belhifetgnea:no, i want to download everything i need from the start. i dont want to have to download individual packages afterwards cause im on 56k
15:14.42initechGnea: why? it works great
15:15.04Gneainitech: sure sure :)
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15:15.20Guerinxlulux: well, for comparison, i have a p3-733 with 384 which serves files, ftp, torrents, as a router, media, a local x session for my tv, and serves kde and apps to my wife's machine
15:15.25liablebelhifet: I am on dial up too, just do shit before you go to bed.
15:15.51Guerinxlulux: so really, 600mhz and 160 should be able to handle fluxbox without any trouble. If it can't, you've got something misconfigured.
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15:16.12xluluxdamn, do you think its the fact im not using a nvidia driver.
15:16.16belhifetliable: it's gonna take ages. im downloading what i want once from a broadband connection
15:16.29initechGnea: well, my attitude is, I spent money on this newfangled system, I'm not going to run something designed for a P200 with 64MB ram.
15:16.53Guerinxlulux: nope. aforementioned box uses nv driver.
15:16.53DizerYour attitude is bad.
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15:17.00liablebelhifet: dude, I have a sarge install from mid last year, and it upgrades overnight on dialup..
15:17.08DizerBloat is bloat whether you're running it on a supercomputer or an AND gate.
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15:17.28kiruahello
15:17.37initechDizer: bullshit. the "bloat" buys you a LOT
15:17.49kiruado you speak french please ??
15:17.52Guerinbuys plenty of hot air
15:17.54Guerin!fr
15:17.54dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france
15:17.56initechKDE is a great desktop
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15:18.06Guerinwell, it's better than gnome.
15:18.15doleybinitech: kde 3.4 is ok, but the version in debian isn't great.
15:18.29stewdoleyb: have you filed any bugs?
15:18.47Guerinand it IS great if you need all kinds of inter-app communication and gui tools and bells and whistles
15:18.50doleybinitech: what would the bug say?  Please upgrade to latest upstream?  I think they know to do that when possible.
15:18.56belhifetso cd no1 is the installer and the rest 13 are "extra" packages ?
15:19.03doleybs/initech/stew
15:19.05Dizerinitech: Of wasted cycles?
15:19.11dystopiangnome is not the most respected desktop but hey. it's not a wm it's a desktop environment. like kde
15:19.12initechDizer: oh please
15:19.14Dizerinitech: Oooh look, transparencies! Yeah, that helps me get my job done.
15:19.16Guerinwhich most people don't, whether they think they do or not.
15:19.52stewdoleyb: is that you're only complaint about debian's kde, that its not the newest upstream?  from your previous comment it sounded like something else was wrong with it
15:19.53initechi'm sick of this fluxbox crap
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15:20.05sanxiyninitech: Use ion!
15:20.05belhifethas anyone here tried to run debian on PPC?
15:20.06GuerinDizer: don't confuse x server eyecandy with wm bloat
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15:20.18doleybstew: well, the current version of kde in debian has a grave functionality bug, which is fixed in upstream for a while.
15:20.21Guerinbelhifet: plenty of people in #debianppc have
15:20.30belhifetoh cool
15:20.47doleybstew: but as topic says, they are already trying to get a newer kde, so me filing bugs asking would only be an annoyance
15:20.55initechDizer: eye candy is one thing, but KDE offers much more than that. the app integration is awesome
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15:21.06DizerGuerin: Where the bloat is is irrelevant :)
15:21.23Dizerinitech: Yeah, cool, I have no problem with that.
15:21.41Guerinif konqueror was actually a decent web browser it'd be a candidate for koolest thing ever, on account of its integration with other apps
15:21.52sanxiynI am fine with any WM understanding EWMH and notification area.
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15:21.57Guerinbut unfortunately it can't render html worth a damn
15:21.59initechuh, konquerr is a great web browser
15:22.02DizerIE has integration with other apps, does that make it the coolest thing ever?
15:22.11sanxiynDizer: Yes, nearly.
15:22.14initechi use konq almost exclusively
15:22.26liablejesus fucking christ. Do we always have to get into which wm is the l33test?
15:22.36Guerininitech: does it have a frob to allow it to use gecko as the html backend yet?
15:22.37sanxiynliable: No, ion is.
15:22.43Dizersanxiyn: YES!
15:22.49Guerinoit used to, way back in the day, but then it died off
15:22.51Guerinbah
15:22.52Dizerion is fucking great.
15:22.53initechGuerin: not that I know of
15:23.03Guerintry using GIMP in ion and then tell me how cool it is
15:23.07dystopian<--corny gnome user. I don't care if their is "bloat". it does what I want it to do.
15:23.12DizerGuerin: Heh. This is true.
15:23.13sanxiynGuerin: heh
15:23.24sanxiynWell, Ion does have floating window mode these days.
15:23.25DizerFortunately I don't use GIMP :)
15:23.33Guerinor anything else which doesn't use a one-window model
15:23.45Guerininitech: that's a big stroke against it
15:23.56initechwhy is GIMP the most dissed piece of GNU software?
15:24.05initechbullshit, gimp rocks
15:24.05Guerindunno
15:24.07Guerini love it
15:24.07dystopianI think it's cool
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15:24.22Guerininitech: oh, i'm talking about konq and khtml
15:24.22Dizersanxiyn: What's the floating model like exactly? Do dialog boxes pop up, or what? I saw the floating scratch pad thing, I wasn't very impressed.
15:24.25dystopianwho disses GIMP?
15:24.34rbochandystopian: photoshoppers
15:24.43sanxiynAs I am sure I don't use even 10% of GIMP functionalities...
15:24.47Guerinwell, gimp is pretty weak compared to photoshop
15:24.53dystopianand they are probably using xp so what do they really know?
15:24.56liablegimp rocks, and does almost as much as a $1000 US Photoshop.
15:25.01initecheverytime there's a "gimp" related story on, say, shitdot, there's a flood of photoshop morons crapflooding about how shitty gimp is
15:25.03Guerinif you actually use it for anything more than making web graphics
15:25.19sanxiynliable: That's because not many people use Photoshop to the full? (Not many uses GIMP to the full for that matter...)
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15:25.57initechphotoshit warez asshole who never paid the $10K that their photoshop + plugins would cost
15:26.00sanxiyninitech: I think they are just unfamiliar with GIMP.
15:26.06rbochaninitech: exatcly
15:26.12Guerinwhen gimp and free software has sane colour profiling, CMYK and proc colour support and full-blown palette support, some of which will be hard because they're proprietary, then people in graphic design will start to take notice
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15:26.44sanxiynGuerin: Well, most people outside graphic design don't care much...
15:26.48Guerininitech: yeah, the thing is the people who really use it for work don't see that as an unreasonable cost... and given what they charge, it ain't.
15:26.51rob_ltBut as initech said, what if these people saying how much gimp sucks actually had to pay for photoshop?  I think gimp would suddenly look alot better.
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15:27.02Guerinsanxiyn: right, for which purposes the gimp is far more than adequate.
15:27.40initechphotoshop users are the biggest "pirates" there are. none of them pay for it
15:27.47Guerinyup.
15:27.56liableshit, gimp can do way more than the average user even knows.
15:28.16Guerineven those who use it for work tend to have it bought by their employer, and then use it at home, on the laptop, give it to their friends, etc...
15:28.17gteppelI'm running a Debian stable box that acts a gateway/router/firewall/dhcp server in my home network. One of my boxes in my LAN is a WinXP box, on this computer I have a Cisco VPN Client installed whenever I connect to my work via VPN I lost connection to all my shares on my server. The VPN Client won't let me stay connected to my lan, is there some way I can configure something in my server that will help maintain this connection after I
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15:28.54Guerinanyway
15:28.56sanxiynI think Paint Shop Pro trial edition would be adequate for most purposes for which Photoshop is usually used.
15:28.59Guering'night kiddiwinkies
15:29.02sanxiyn(And it's legal.)
15:29.17fakedI want to use a dvb-card, so do I have to install the kernel-sources therefor, or is there a way to use the debian-standard-kernel?
15:29.27dvsGuerin: It's not even noon ;-)
15:29.27rbochansanxiyn: yes, but they would be laughed at on fark
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15:29.43Guerindvs: what are you talking about, it's after midnight!
15:30.04Dizer*insert timezone related joke here*
15:31.34dystopianso get some rest Guerin
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15:32.02sanxiynGuerin: Take care!
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15:35.14DizerSchroedingersCat: Are you there?
15:35.23SchroedingersCatyes
15:35.30shingouzSchroedingersCat: you sure?
15:35.32Dizer:)
15:35.35SchroedingersCatno
15:35.35SchroedingersCat:)
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15:36.33kbrooksCan I install a bootsplash in Debian?
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15:36.49dystopianit's possible kbrooks
15:36.51liablenot easily
15:37.03sanxiynkbrooks: You have my permission.
15:37.09SchroedingersCati never did get that to work too swell
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15:37.16dystopianas liable says- not easily
15:37.25kbrookshow do i do it?
15:37.37SchroedingersCatkbrooks, there's an excellent howto online
15:37.41liablekbrooks: if you want to try, get a vanilla kernel
15:37.47kbrooksat?
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15:37.59kbrooksliable, what is a vanilla kernel?'
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15:38.14liablekernel.org
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15:38.42dystopianis a bootsplash really that important?
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15:38.54kbrooksno, but i like it
15:38.57DizerDude. How can you live to boot unless you have some nerdy picture to greet you.
15:39.14SchroedingersCathttp://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/3124
15:39.37dystopianI usually want to see the boot messages and I don't like to boot that often anyway.
15:39.44incorrectim looking to build my own apache2 packages, does anyone know of a howto or some docs?
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15:39.55dondelelcaroincorrect: why bother? just use the debian packages
15:39.58SchroedingersCatyup, boot messages come in handy
15:40.10SchroedingersCatbesides...usually, the only reason to reboot linux is if there's a major problem
15:40.12incorrectdondelelcaro, because there are limitations of the builds
15:40.16SchroedingersCatand in that case, you want to see the messages anyhow
15:40.34dondelelcaroincorrect: like what?
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15:41.05incorrectdondelelcaro, number of conncurrent connections, the modules compiled in, some issue with mod_jk2
15:41.38dondelelcaroincorrect: the concurrent connections are setable, there's no reason to compile in the modules. If there's an issue with mod_jk2, file a bug about it.
15:41.46kbrooksincorrect, you can easily config the number
15:41.56dondelelcaroincorrect: regardless, even if you're going to build the packages, you should start with the debian packages themselves.
15:41.56Dizerincorrect: incorrect
15:42.28kbrooksincorrect, your name tells you that you are your name! incorrecy
15:42.34incorrectdondelelcaro, i can fix the bug by compiling my own, i can remove the modules i don't want by compiling my own and the max number is too low
15:42.36kbrooksincorrect*
15:42.41kbrooksfuck.
15:42.55kbrooksincorrect, yes, yes, no.
15:43.05kbrooksincorrect, for the last, use httpd.conf
15:43.10dondelelcaroincorrect: then patch teh debian packages and compile them; and file a bug in the bts with the fix.
15:43.12kbrooksin /etc/apache2
15:43.16rbochanincorrect: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/154
15:43.45incorrectsorry but the binaries do not suit my needs
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15:44.26Blackholdhello
15:44.27incorrectthansk rbochan
15:44.36BlackholdI'm trying to mount a sony memory stick
15:44.44BlackholdI've the camera connected via USB
15:44.50incorrectdondelelcaro, there is no mod_jk2 package, nore wil there ever be
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15:45.22dondelelcaroincorrect: that's fine. It's quite trivial to compile the module against the headers
15:45.25Blackholdwhat command I have to type to mount the memory stick and get the images?
15:45.54LaibschIs there anything like Sisoft Sandra (tool to gather HW information like mobo, chipset, RAM modules, etc.) available on Debian/Linux?
15:45.56DizerBlackhold: Congratulations on the purchase of your Sony product.
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15:46.37rbochanincorrect: check out the rest of that site too
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15:47.59LaibschWhy does it say in the topic that non-US is gone?  It appears to be running just fine.
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15:48.10fos64:)
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15:48.34fos64is apt-get using source our binary?
15:48.51Pryoneither one
15:49.00fos64k, how do all these packages get synced?
15:49.18Pryonwhat do you mean by "get synced"?
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15:49.33fos64a lot of packages depend on other
15:49.49caphusoLaibsch: you know something the rest of the world doesn't?
15:49.55dondelelcarofos64: yes... and libapt does that.
15:50.08dvsfos64: Each package knows its dependencies
15:50.27fos64ok, im using a distro called kanotix64 - when i tried to install kdevelop
15:50.33kadigiboxDoes anyone know anything about X Terminals?  I am wanting to get one but dont know what I would have to set up and if it will work on debian
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15:50.37fos64i received the message that one of the packages is broken
15:50.38BlackholdDizer, I have some time I've this product, what is new is my operating system, I've it for 1 week
15:50.56dondelelcarofos64: ask in #kanotix; we can't support it.
15:51.01fos64one of the packages on my system is broken...
15:51.12fos64tis is a general question, not distro specific
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15:51.41dvsfos64: a broken package is distro specific
15:51.42fos64is it possible to remove a package and then reinstall it with an updated version
15:51.42dondelelcarofos64: package questions are necessarily distribution specific
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15:52.21Blackholdbye
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15:52.27rbochankadigibox: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue27/kaszeta.html
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15:53.57Laibschcaphuso: No.  I just read in the topic that "non-US is no more" which surprised me.
15:54.19caphusoLaibsch: that's there because, uh, non-US is finally gone, after being useless for about 4 years
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15:54.34dvsLaibsch: There is no more need for it
15:54.40Laibschnon-us.debian.org is up.
15:54.44at0m|choi, no matter what i try, i can't keep hdparm -i from returning BuffSize=0kB for my 16MB cache HD.  any idea's?
15:54.57dvsLaibsch: It's probaby an alias for something else
15:55.00caphusoLaibsch: and doesn't serve any packages
15:55.04dystopiandvs: why no more need?
15:55.25dvsdystopian: It used to be illegal to export excryption software from the US
15:56.07dondelelcarodvs: it's just illegal to do so without following BXE. We were unable to follow BXE until recently.
15:56.35dondelelcarodvs: it's still not legal to export it willy nilly.
15:57.12dystopianso then there is no need to have non-us in your sources file?
15:57.34caphusodystopian: that kinda follows from "non-US is no more"...
15:57.50dystopiannon-us sources still respond to apt-get update. I'm confused...
15:58.08caphusodystopian: there are no packages you can get from non-us
15:58.15dvsdystopian: there is no more need to have non-us in your sources file
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15:58.26dystopianoic
15:58.28dystopianthanks
15:58.57Laibschyes, thank for the info
16:00.15rob_ltHaving a bit of an issue here.  I'm running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root, but it is not making any changes to my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file.
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16:00.32dvs!xmd5
16:00.32dpkgIf you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made.
16:00.40tuxJr_14where can i find a list of apt-repositories
16:01.04rbochanwell, I learned something new today
16:01.18rob_ltdvs, so I guess it also won't work if I removed it entirely?  ;)
16:01.23rbochandvs: thanks :)
16:01.30dvsrob_lt: That'll work too
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16:01.46dvsrob_lt: The md5 file that is
16:02.06rob_ltdvs, sorry, I meant that I removed the XF86Config-4 file.
16:02.28dvsrob_lt: and the md5sum file too?
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16:02.40tuxJr_14!non-us
16:02.40dpkgwell, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ...
16:02.57rob_ltdvs, no.  Thanks for your help, I'm going to go try it on the other machine.
16:02.59rbochantuxJr_14: if you run apt-setup, it'll show you a list
16:03.07tuxJr_14ok
16:03.18tuxJr_14thanks, rbochan
16:03.25rbochangood luck
16:03.47tuxJr_14root@not a tty[/]# apt-setup
16:03.47tuxJr_14bash: apt-setup: command not found
16:04.01dvstuxJr_14: as root
16:04.09tuxJr_14i am rot
16:04.12tuxJr_14*root
16:04.18tuxJr_14tuxJr_14 root@not a tty[/]# apt-setup
16:04.34rbochanit's part of base-config, so unless you've removed that, it should be there
16:04.55tuxJr_14i dont hai'm chrooted to knoppix uncompressed
16:05.04rbochanoh barf
16:05.05ke6isf!knoppix
16:05.05dpkgKnoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/.  Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat.
16:05.35ke6isf!knoppixsmite tuxJr_14
16:05.57dvsI like that one
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16:06.27shingouztuxJr_14: i think you got the point.. #knoppix
16:06.29incorrectdoes anyone know where i can get a libgdbm-dev, im still using woody
16:06.52rbochanincorrect: try backports.org or apt-get.org
16:06.59ke6isftuxJr_14: As such, we can't help you unless you buckle and install Debian.
16:07.14incorrectrbochan, backports doesn't have one
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16:08.28tuxJr_14now seriously, i  need a working at sources.lst. i need to get some packages from the repos
16:08.41tuxJr_14ke6isf, i have to make a live cd
16:08.46shingouztuxJr_14: now also seriously, ask in #knoppix
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16:09.10ke6isftuxJr_14: Seriously, what shingouz said.  WE CANNOT HELP YOU, as knoppix isn't Debian.
16:09.45tuxJr_14shingouz, cant i just get a link to the page that tells you the repositories? i had found one and forgot to bookmark it, so, lost it.
16:09.50amphoresomeone can tell me how to save buffer in console so i can past code to get help
16:10.01dondelelcarotuxJr_14: just run apt-setup;
16:10.23dondelelcarotuxJr_14: and ask further questions in #knoppix or be devoiced.
16:10.30tuxJr_14amphore, if you are using frame buffer, cat /dev/fb0 > filetosave
16:10.35tuxJr_14ok
16:10.40amphorethanks
16:10.50dystopianknoppix isn't debian any more than mandrake is redhat
16:11.02tuxJr_14amphore, that'll give you somewhat of a screenshot
16:11.16amphoreill test
16:11.32tuxJr_14hey, is morphix debian?
16:11.37dystopiannope
16:11.43kbrooksno
16:11.47dystopianis suse redhat?
16:11.49tuxJr_14then which live CD is debian!!??
16:11.50kbrooksno
16:11.58ke6isfDebian is Debian.  Morphix is Morphix.  Knoppix is Knoppix.
16:12.04kbrooksnone
16:12.09ke6isfThe Debian that can be Debian-based is not the true Debian.
16:12.25ke6isfMeditate on that.
16:12.32tuxJr_14from scratch
16:12.34dystopiannone of them are DEBIAN. they are "based" on debian
16:12.40ke6isftuxJr_14: You are wise, young grasshopper.
16:12.58kbrookstuxJr_14, we wont support it
16:12.59zophyxinteresting
16:13.02tuxJr_14ke6isf, you got that right, _young_ grasshopper
16:13.04zophyxhahhah
16:13.09tuxJr_14kbrooks, why?
16:13.17furball`How can I check whether I need PCI IDE chipset support?
16:13.36kbrookstuxJr_14, see dystopian's statement
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16:14.03zophyxlspci will show the hardware you have, if you have linux running
16:14.12furball`I have PCI slots... And I have IDE slots... But do I need the support for them to work? :\
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16:14.36tuxJr_14kbrooks, which one?
16:14.49furball`PCI bridge, IDE interface show up there
16:14.51fakedI have problems with udev, I do not get /dev/dvb and /dev/video after modprobing dvb-drivers. What to do now?
16:14.54dvsfurball`: If you have access your IDE drives, it's working
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16:15.01kbrookstuxJr_14, recent one
16:15.12tuxJr_14kbrooks, dystopian none of them are DEBIAN. they are "based" on debian
16:15.18tuxJr_14kbrooks, this one?
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16:15.30kbrooksyes
16:15.41furball`I'm not interested in it to work, I need it to work better... My debian is working slower than 6 months old xp install :(
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16:16.34dvsfurball`: Is DMA enabled?
16:16.34dystopiantuxJr_14, Debian is Debian. Live CDs are based off of Debian. Debian does not produce a live cd. If they did then it would be a true Debian Live cd. But Debian doesn't produce one. If you produced one yourself it would still be based off of Debian, and therefore not true Debian.
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16:17.35furball`I think so, hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX should set it, right?
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16:17.56kbrooksfurball`, Yes.
16:17.57tuxJr_14ok, forget about live CDs. thanks anyway. just needed the apt repositories.
16:18.04dvstuxJr_14: So Debian-based is not Debian.  If they were Debian, they would be called Debian
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16:19.11kbrooksdvs, true
16:19.13kbrooks:)
16:19.31tuxJr_14ok, ok
16:20.07tuxJr_14why doesn't debian have an _official_ live CD then?
16:20.21dondelelcarotuxJr_14: because no one uses live CDs for doing real work.
16:20.23rbochanany number of reasons
16:20.28dondelelcarotuxJr_14: they're not particularly interesting.
16:20.28rbochanperhaps just to piss you off
16:20.45tuxJr_14ok
16:20.45dvsrbochan: ;-) I knew it!
16:20.47tuxJr_14i get it
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16:21.17dystopiantuxJr_14, check this out: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list
16:21.18Dizerdystopian: http://tinyurl.com/5oh9q
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16:22.25tuxJr_14thanks, dystopian
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16:24.19gentgeen__how could I let a regular user use the 'mount -o loop $ANYISOHERE' ?
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16:25.03Blissexgentgeen__: using something like 'sudo'
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16:25.16valdyngentgeen__: by changing permissions on /dev/loopX
16:25.21dvsfaked: you have to make a rule for dvd
16:25.35dvsfaked: I have BUS="ide", KERNEL="hdc", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="dvd", GROUP="cdrom", MODE="0660"
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16:26.16fakeddvs: I have the problem with dvb (digital video broadcast) not dvd
16:26.27doleybvaldyn: is there any risk to that permission?
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16:27.36dvsfaked: Did you load the right kernel module?
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16:28.02gentgeen__"ls -l /dev/loop* " shows all devices are --  brw-rw----  1 root disk
16:28.14gentgeen__so what about making the user member of the 'disk' group?
16:28.26valdyngentgeen__: that would by plain evil
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16:28.32gentgeen__any risks/thoughts
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16:28.37fakeddvs: yes I did, I just tried to uninstall udev. After this I got /dev/dvb* and /dev/video*, but with udev I don't get those, so the problem is on udev
16:28.41dvsgentgeen__: I've heard that's a no-no
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16:28.44gentgeen__valdyn, why?  Just wanting to learn
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16:29.03valdyngentgeen__: b/c /dev/anydisk are group disk too.
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16:29.10Yokaloshhow do i add a network printer that is on a windows xp computer?
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16:29.16MardusHi.
16:29.23dvsfaked: No, /dev/dvb and /dev/video* will be there regardless if udev is off.
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16:29.35mnehi there ! This is off-topic, but does anyone of you know a CMS for projects ? I mean something like the CMS running on freshmeat, sourceforge ..
16:29.41dvsfaked: Just because /dev/dvb is visible without udev doesn't mean that it will work.
16:29.45gentgeen__valdyn, right -- did not think that
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16:30.12gentgeen__Yokalosh, samba is probably what you want
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16:30.37fakeddvs: hmm.. maybe
16:30.43valdyngentgeen__: make a group loop, make loop devices group 'loop', add users permitted to use the loopback device member of loop.
16:30.58dvsfaked: If you see those entries with udev, you *KNOW* that they will work.
16:30.59mdupontHi all, anyone know how to get a PCi cardreader running, it shows up as an unknown mass storage controller
16:31.12Yokaloshgentgeen: I have tried that but it doesnt recognize that the printer is there
16:31.13gentgeen__valdyn, I'll give that a shot
16:31.22valdyngentgeen__: now that is not really dangerous in itself, though users could fuck with each others loopback mounts.
16:31.31phorce1_help -- just had a debian software RAID1 system have the primary drive die -- how the heck do I make it use the backup drive since it can't boot to software RAID mode -- I hope I didn't screw up the setup too bad to recover
16:31.52gentgeen__valdyn, not too worried about that, Home system with 2 adult 2 child users
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16:32.14fakeddvs: hmm.. ok I try once again without udev if my dvb-device is working fine
16:32.26valdyngentgeen__: is it movies you want to mount? that would not be required.
16:32.28xozphorce1_: boot with livecd
16:32.30gentgeen__Yokalosh, does the printer work under Linux -- I have had better luck the other way (printer on linux shared out to XP box)
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16:33.05gentgeen__valdyn, no, they are Windows Game CDs -- Trying something to get ride of the win98 boxes
16:33.14Yokaloshgentgeen:i dont know, but it belongs to my stepdad so i cant stick it in my room on my linux pc
16:33.39Yokaloshi do have windows xp but i cant stand windows
16:33.43phorce1_xoz: a debian livecd? Found where (googling now)
16:33.58gentgeen__Right now the ISOs are served out, win98 uses a little program to mount them as a virtual cd
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16:34.24gentgeen__I want to try a mount/WINE option and see if it works :-)
16:34.57gentgeen__Yokalosh, what desktop/window environment are you using?
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16:35.20xozphorce1_: knoppix, ubuntu livecd or debian livecd if you can find. doesn't matter.. they have similar functionality to examine your system
16:35.27kbrooksgentgeen__, daemon tools?
16:35.46gentgeen__kbrooks, yep -- best thing I ever found
16:36.04gentgeen__saved the kids CDs (that they did not already have all scratched up)
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16:36.15kbrooksgentgeen__, i love daemon toolss
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16:37.02Yokaloshdoes daemon tools work for linux?
16:37.16phorce1_I think when I built this system I set up a /boot partition on the primary. I think I'm screwed unless I can somehow rebuild that primary drive. Can I restore the primary from the seconday if I do a reinstall on a new drive? Is there a way to make the mirror on the second drive overwrite what is on the first drive if I format a new drive and create a /boot and other partitiuons the same size?
16:37.18Yokaloshi have used it on windows for years but never looked for linux
16:37.19DizerYokalosh: Yes.
16:37.23dvsYokalosh: I'm sure there's a package for it
16:37.23gentgeen__me too -- I made an iso of all the kids cds, then put them on a Samba share.  Then changed the win98 shortcuts
16:37.23Yokaloshcool
16:37.25tuxJr_14!crypto
16:37.25dpkgCryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws.  This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US.  That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US.  Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors".
16:37.40gentgeen__No I do not have to help change CDs, or worry about the kids scratching them up
16:37.58tuxJr_14!non-US mirrors
16:37.58dpkgnon-us mirrors are the same as all other mirrors, or http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian-non-US/, or (for xx != us)
16:38.16tuxJr_14!non-US
16:38.16dpkgsomebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ...
16:38.24gentgeen__Yokalosh, no need for Daemon tools on linux it really just does a 'mount -o loop' kind of thing
16:38.31dvs!wayttd tuxJr_14
16:38.32dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, tuxJr_14?
16:38.37gentgeen__I can not see why you would want/need it
16:38.54DizerWhat have daemon tools got to do with loopback mounting?
16:39.04Yokaloshlol
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16:39.19dvsDizer: none
16:39.26dvsDizer: You need a kernel module
16:39.30Dizer?
16:39.35gentgeen__At least on my windows box -- daemon tools just mounts an ISO as a virtual CDROM drive
16:39.53DizerThat daemon tools != Linux daemon tools.
16:40.02kbrooksYES
16:40.19Yokaloshi'm kinda confuddled
16:40.21Yokaloshoh well
16:40.21DizerI have no idea what the other one does.
16:40.35Yokaloshdoes anyone know what i should do to add the network printer?
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16:41.00dvsDizer: What loopback are we talking about?  A network loopback or a CD image loopback?
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16:41.21Dizerdvs: I'm not talking about a loopback at all! I'm talking about daemon tools for Linux, which has nothing to do with loopbacks of any description :)
16:41.26gentgeen__Yokalosh, what desktop/window environment are you using?
16:41.31kbrooksdvs, there is no "network lopback"
16:41.41DizerWell, there's dummy interfaces.
16:41.46dvskbrooks: 127.0.0.1?
16:41.52DizerAnd that :)
16:41.56Yokaloshgnome
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16:41.58kbrooksdvs, doh
16:42.07kbrooksdvs: i got confused
16:42.08Yokaloshbut i could use xfce or kde
16:42.54kbrooksmount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/cd.iso  /path/to/mountpoint
16:43.03gentgeen__Yokalosh, give me a sec -- have a thougth gonna try it
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16:43.25kbrooksor -t auto, although i would not use auto, if i were you
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16:44.55Whisky_What file did i need to edit not to allow SSH as root ?
16:45.10pipeline/etc/ssh/sshd_config
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16:46.55Whisky_What port should i put my sshd on to increase security
16:47.07dvsWhisky_: Any but the standard
16:47.43Whisky_I heard something below 962 would require something or there was some thing
16:47.44Whisky_dont remember
16:47.52dvsWhisky_: Actually 12345
16:48.00Whisky_:\
16:48.11jasoncoheni'm trying to stop cron from delivering local mail. i added MAILTO="" to /etc/crontab but i'm still getting mail. what should i do?
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16:48.53jasoncohenin order to ensure that cron-apt emails are sent to/from my real brandeis email address i used a canonical map in postfix but this also sends cron mail to me
16:48.58dvsWhisky_: Most numbers under 1024 are reserved
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16:50.30blackoutif i have a tar.gz that doesn't have a .deb, is there a way i can still use dpkg to install/uninstall?  I read about a coupel before, but can't seem to find them now
16:51.00dvsblackout: dpkg to install a tar?
16:51.15Eulexblackout, you could use alien to convert it (I think)
16:51.17jasoncohenblackout, you can use checkinstall
16:51.21rbochanblackout: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/147
16:51.31jasoncohenblackout, ./configure && make && checkinstall -D
16:51.47blackoutjasoncohen, thanks, checkinstall is what i was thinking of
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16:52.06jasoncoheninstead of doing a make install you would run checkinstall which will create a debian package and then install it. you then can keep track of what you have installed using apt-get
16:52.30jasoncohenapt-get remove package to get rid of it. if you want to install a new version just up the version/release
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16:53.21jasoncohenbut it's really only for ease of handling source installs- so you know exactly what's on your system. checkinstall doesn't know what dependencies are needed. you have to satisfy them yourself.
16:53.38blackoutjasoncohen, right - that's all i need though.
16:53.38Whisky_PHP Warning:  Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library './extensions/mysql.so' - ./extensions/mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
16:53.44Whisky_I get that in apache error.log
16:53.58kbrooksi want to remove svn and the svnserver
16:54.04Whisky_so i dont know where my extensions are, how do i know ?
16:54.11jasoncohenso, anyone know what i need to do to stop cron from sending me mail?
16:54.20kbrookshow do i do so?
16:54.29caphusojasoncohen: why would you want to do something that stupid?
16:55.15Eulexjasoncohen, why?
16:55.20jasoncohen...or how to have my cron-apt mail sent to/from my real mail account w/o sending cron mails to my real email address
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16:56.03jasoncohenEulex, i had to use a canonical map so that my cron-apt mail was sent from jason@brandeis.edu rather than jason@jasonslaptop.localdomain
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16:56.20caphusowhy does it matter what the From: says?
16:56.44jasoncohensome smtp servers reject mail that has a fake from address
16:57.10jasoncohencomcast for example wouldn't reject the mail unless the from address was real
16:57.18kbrooksjasoncohen, as far as i can say......
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16:57.33kbrooksi believe that you are smoking crack
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16:57.37caphusoindeed
16:57.44jasoncoheni also was getting complaints from brandeis that they were getting bounced cron emails from me
16:57.46jasoncohenand why is that?
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16:58.44jasoncohenwell- if you don't believe me, try it. try sending a message using smtp.comcast.net with a from address of username@localhost.localdomain. it won't work
16:59.04kbrookswe dont TIAS
16:59.12jasoncohenTIAS?
16:59.22nvzTry It And See
16:59.25nvzwould be my guess
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16:59.47Morrowynhello
16:59.47jasoncohenall i want is to have my cron-apt mails sent to my real email address - and the rest sent to local accounts. is that possible to setup?
16:59.48nvzwhat do I win?
16:59.54bahamatjasoncohen: does this behaviour surprise you?
16:59.55kbrooksjasoncohen, WHY do you EVEN want to do something STUPID?
17:00.15jasoncohenkbrooks, what's stupid about wanting to send cron-apt reports to my real mail account?
17:00.42caphusofrom /etc/cron-apt/config: # The email address to send mail to.
17:00.43caphuso# MAILTO="root"
17:01.05jasoncohenyeah, that's set to jason@brandeis.edu
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17:01.53caphusoand your problem is that comcast refuses to send those mails to smtp.brandeis.edu?
17:02.14kbrooksjasoncohen, well, you cant circumvent that
17:02.25Blissexjasoncohen: posting your email address to IRC is a good way to attract SPAM ;-)
17:02.37nvzdamn it :P  I was trying to export a car from los santos to the docks in Easter Basin, San Fierro.. and ran the damn thing into the pond under the Los Santos International Overpass :P
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17:02.44jasoncohenwell, that and the bigger problem of figuring out why my cron mail was going to root@brandeis.edu - and not root@localhost.localdomain
17:02.45bahamatjasoncohen: change /etc/mailname to be the domain you want to send from
17:02.53Schiz0nvz- Yeah, I know what you mean :-\
17:02.53nvzwhat the hell is that pond doing in the middle of nowhere
17:03.02jasoncohenthis is before i made the canonical map
17:03.10jasoncohenBlissex, that's not my email address :)
17:03.29jasoncohenyou're welcome to spam it if you like- i don't think anyone is using that name
17:03.33caphusojasoncohen: because you told your MTA to use brandeis.edu instead of localhost.localdomain
17:03.43Blissexjasoncohen: thats not very nice :-)
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17:03.51kbrookslol
17:04.03kbrookss/lol/heh/
17:04.03jasoncohencaphuso, /etc/mailname sasy jasonslaptop.localdomain
17:04.28nvzI think I need to stop heading south at the Muholland Intersection and find an alternate route to the Rodeo - Flint County Bridge
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17:04.49caphusojasoncohen: sounds like a postfix misconfiguration, can't help with that
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17:05.49nvzactually thats the Commerce Intersection I am hitting, and I should just go around it I reckon
17:05.50DraconicusDoes anyone know, offhand, where the GNOME starting applications list is? By this I mean the same one that records which gnome-desktop-related processes were running at the time (windowed apps, etc).
17:05.51jasoncohencaphuso, should myorigin be set to jasonslaptop.localdomain as well?
17:06.06Draconicus#gnome is rather stagnant, as usual.
17:06.24jasoncohenin postfix's main.cf
17:06.50phorce1_is there a howto on building a proper, fully recoverable software RAID1 array on debian? I have a system now that has a good backup of / on the second drive but I can't get to it because the primary drive (that has /boot outside RAID) has failed.
17:06.53caphusojasoncohen: i can't help with postfix
17:06.55bahamatjasoncohen: myorigin is the domain where mail should be from
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17:07.00bahamatjasoncohen: it should be a fqdn
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17:07.19caphusoand should probably be something comcast accepts
17:07.20nvzDraconicus: thats gnome-session
17:07.38bahamatjasoncohen: and it helps if you leave it set to $mydomain (the default)
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17:07.56nvzDraconicus: somewhere in your settings menu you have a session manager icon you can use to view them
17:08.00phorce1_and is there a way to save this system, rebuild the boot drive, and rebuild the mirror from there?
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17:08.23vekposhello! how can i start licq for appearing in the notification-area in the panel? if im loading it on startup, the icon appears in a single window... but if im starting it after loading everything, it appears in the panel
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17:08.54jasoncohenbahamat, so myorigin only sets the from address?
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17:09.18vekposive tried to load it later by saving session and so on, but this doesn't take effect
17:09.33bahamatjasoncohen: it only sets the default from domain if the supplied from address only includes a local part
17:09.39jasoncoheni think i need to set a canonical map just for from addresses so jason@brandeis.edu will show as the from for comcast's mail servers while allowing my cron mail to be delivered to jason@jasonslaptop.localdomain as it should
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17:09.55brlancerdoes anyone know where gaelic language files are packaged? I can't find a "locale-" package for it
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17:10.26vekposoh, o forgot: im using gnome... no one an idea?
17:10.55bahamatjasoncohen: you really shouldn't have mail delivery to remote destinations unless you have your own domain name somewhere
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17:11.16bahamatjasoncohen: it gets very frustrating otherwise
17:11.25jasoncohenheh, i can see that
17:12.02jasoncohenwell, i think i found the problem. Brandeis ITS told me to set /etc/postfix/aliases to "root@jasonslaptop.localdomain: jason@brandeis.edu"
17:12.43kbrooksheh
17:13.05jasoncohenheh, well - it solved their problem..no more bounced mail
17:13.20bahamatjasoncohen: you're always going to have some problems with mail unless it's a fixed system (ie, no dhcp, and no laptops)
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17:13.48krymeIs there a configuration program to configure X from the CLI?
17:13.53kbrooks"fixed" system?
17:14.00vekposis anyone knowing a solution for starting a command after the gnome-panel loaded?
17:14.01jasoncohenbahamat, what's wrong with DHCP? mail delivery isn't dependant on IP, is it?
17:14.05kbrooksbahamat, static?
17:14.07Echelonkryme, vi
17:14.07bahamatkbrooks: yea, i.e., no dhcp and no laptops
17:14.17kbrooksjasoncohen, it is
17:14.26jasoncohenah
17:14.27bahamatjasoncohen: mail delivery is very closely tied to DNS
17:14.30kbrooksbahamat, that sux
17:14.37valdynjasoncohen: smtp would work, some destinations will just refuse your mail however.
17:14.38caphusobahamat: dhcp doesn't cause any problems
17:14.50bahamatjasoncohen: you'll never understand mail delivery properly unless you also know how DNA affects it
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17:15.05jasoncohenDNA or DNS?
17:15.19dystopianyeah, the genetic codeof mail is very interesting/
17:15.20kbrooksDNS
17:15.22Echelonmy dna negatively affects servers ;)
17:15.22bahamatcaphuso: not in and of itself, but as soon as you carry your laptop onto someone else's network and get an address from them your mail might break
17:15.26jasoncohenlol
17:15.44rbochanlow sperm count causes slow dns lookups?
17:15.46kbrooksjasoncohen, first things first
17:16.10kbrooksjasoncohen, you know how dns works? if not, read  howto
17:16.12caphusobahamat: why?
17:16.15bahamatjasoncohen: all my mail servers are set to reject messages if they don't come from a fqdn
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17:16.43bahamatcaphuso: because I run a few mail servers that probably get several thousand spams per hour
17:16.45kbrooksdefine "fully qualified", bahamat
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17:16.52caphusoas long as your local MTA still sends mail from your real domain, the underlying network connection doesn't matter
17:16.55bahamatcaphuso: my mail servers don't trust anything that doesn't look genuine
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17:17.20bahamatkbrooks: if you connect to me and your PTR reccord doesn't match your A record, I reject you
17:17.47bahamatkbrooks: if your HELO doesn't match your A record I reject you
17:17.47kbrooksbahamat, what is a "PTR" record?
17:17.55bahamatif your HELO doesn't exist, I reject you
17:18.18bahamatkbrooks: scroll up to where I said you can't fully understand mail transport unless you understand how DNS affects it
17:18.26kbrooksbahamat, ah
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17:18.36usnhi folx
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17:19.01kbrookswtf
17:20.08stew!ptr
17:20.08dpkghmm... ptr is pointer
17:20.16stewthats not a very informative factoid
17:20.23bahamatmail delivery is very closely tied to DNS, and there are efforts to tie it even closer (e.g., SenderID, Domain Keys)
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17:20.37stewdpkg: ptr is also PTR is the type of DNS record which maps ip addresses to names (reverse DNS)
17:20.37dpkgstew: okay
17:20.38Echelonstew, PTR is used for reverse dns
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17:20.57tatoohello everybody
17:21.09phanterhello; I would like to get support for the georgian symbols. The russian symbols worked out of the box. How can I install the georgian ones?
17:21.09dystopianif it was tied even closer bahamat then wouldn't it make it harder to fake email? like spammers? just wondering...
17:21.15Blackula73Hello All, I just switched from slack10, been using that for about 2 years. However, I am very impressed with Aptitude and Debian in general.. Exellent very tight distro. I think I will stick with debian for the next two years :-)
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17:21.41Eulex!beer Blackula73
17:21.44MLCdigitalHey everyone...
17:21.47Blackula73:-)
17:21.51MLCdigitalI have been hopping channels
17:21.51bahamatdystopian: yes, that's why people are trying to tie mail and DNS closer
17:22.19tatoocan somebody know any program to edit pics? i'd like to wrap pics together, play a song in a background and burn it on a cd.
17:22.20dystopianinteresting Blackula73. why the change? I thought slackware users were as diehard as debian users. :)
17:22.21Blackula73hey MCLdigital :-)
17:22.24Echelondoes anybody know how to tell debian which ipv6 ip to use defaultly when there are multiple ipv6 ips on an interface?
17:22.37caphusoas long as millions of trojaned windows boxes send out spam via their owners outlook express configuration, not much will help...
17:22.46bahamattatoo: make a slideshow with OpenOffice
17:22.54MLCdigitalI've been hopping channels looking for someone who has succefully configured Debian-Sarge and ISPman..
17:22.54MLCdigitalAnyone one that someone?
17:23.15tatoobahamat: hmm...what about the songs?
17:23.26tatoobahamat: is it possible to do there?
17:23.30bahamatcaphuso: not necessarily....on my mail servers if your IP address is encoded in your PTR I reject you
17:23.37bahamattatoo: yes
17:23.39toduHow do I make "less /var/log/syslog" to continue showing the content as it is being added?
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17:23.45Blackula73Thanks dpkg, that was great, another?
17:23.50tatoobahamat: i'm take a look at...thanks!
17:24.01bahamatcaphuso: if every mail server were set up that way the zombie windows boxen would do nothing
17:24.14jasoncohenbahamat, i changed cananical_maps to sender_canonical_maps and removed the /etc/postfix/aliases file. cron-apt mail is still shown as being form/to jason@brandeis.edu. hopefully, cron mail will now be correctly delivered to root@jasonslaptop.localdomain
17:24.17caphusobahamat: err
17:24.25teun_todu: tail -f /var/log/syslog
17:24.29PerfDaveI think that ISPs should block outgoing port 25 by default, but have some simple way for legitimate customers to circumvent it.
17:24.31caphusobahamat: then you'd reject the valid mails too?
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17:24.44toduteun_, Thanks, I'll try it.
17:24.53MLCdigitalacls would work
17:24.53bahamatcaphuso: if your IP is encoded in your PTR, yes
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17:25.00caphusobahamat: that would certainly solve the spam problem, but the collateral damage is kinda big
17:25.08EchelonPerfDave, it'd make it easier for spam servers to still be created, it'd just take a little human intervention
17:25.11bahamatcaphuso: it generates a reject message like "Use your ISP's mail server"
17:25.16caphusobahamat: uh, it does
17:25.21PerfDaveEchelon: How would it make it easier than things are now?
17:25.29caphusothat's the whole problem
17:25.41Echelonack
17:25.44Echelonwording was funky
17:25.55Echeloni meant to say that it would still be easy
17:25.56Echelon><
17:26.00MLCdigitalIf it were a standard for SMTP to be authenticated things would be better
17:26.17bahamatcaphuso: not all of it...but a good ammount
17:26.21MLCdigitalBut it all comes down to simplicity for the enduser
17:26.32PerfDaveMLCdigital: Define "authenticated"
17:26.39caphusoMLCdigital: it pretty much is, in any region of the world where people care about spam
17:26.53MLCdigitalrequire authentication for all SMTP traffic
17:27.03pureonespammers should die
17:27.07MLCdigitallol
17:27.12MLCdigitalthat's the best sollution
17:27.13bahamatMLCdigital: that would break the mail worldwide
17:27.17caphusoi don't think you can get an ISP or mail provider here in germany that doesn't require some sort of authentification
17:27.28caphusopop-before-smtp is common
17:27.31aliasptrStupid ass question, what are some gotchyas when trying to prevent the kernel from loading a module? I've checked the documentation, /etc/modules , /etc/modules.conf and did grep -R forcedeth * in /etc and even blacklisted in hotplug but it keeps loading
17:27.39aliasptrany ideas? Or am I just stupid?
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17:28.03bahamataliasptr: why do you want to prevent a module from loading?
17:28.04stewaliasptr: blacklist it in discover
17:28.06aliasptr(I want forcedeth to not load by the way sorry I only implied it)
17:28.14PerfDaveMLCdigital: Again, define "authentication".
17:28.15stewaliasptr: /msg dpkg blacklist
17:28.32aliasptrbahamat, because I'm using nvnet because forcedeth doesn't support jumbo frames
17:28.41aliasptrstew, alright I'll do that, thanks
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17:29.03MLCdigitalUsername:Password to send through SMTP then User/Mailbox must exisit if sending to serveraddress
17:29.12Blackula73I have only been with slack for a few years and always heard good things about debian. I am also very impressed with the debian package system. I thought slackware package system was nice and simple, debians also seems simple and full featured, and I belive debian has the most stable packages of any distro.. ?
17:29.18aliasptrstew, I already added it to the hotplug blacklist
17:29.24PerfDaveMLCdigital: That won't help at all with anything :)
17:29.28stewaliasptr: yes, discover blacklist is different
17:29.29pureonemlcdigital what about the recieveing end ?
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17:29.36phanternobody who can help me installing the Georgian script/symbols in debian?
17:29.45MLCdigitalrequire that the user/mailbox exists
17:29.55aliasptrstew, sorry I'm retarded I can't read and missed the discover part, I wasn't aware of discover
17:29.58MLCdigitalya
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17:30.03MLCdigitalyou're right
17:30.13kbrooksBlackJudas, slackware's pkg system is in the KISS fire
17:30.23kbrookskeep it simple, stupid
17:30.26MLCdigitalwouldn't it prevent a bot sending to *@domain
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17:30.47Blackula73KISS fire?
17:31.00stewKISS Destroyer
17:31.04Blackula73ahh
17:31.12Blackula73got ya
17:31.22Blackula73keep it simple stupid
17:31.22bahamatMLCdigital: there's no such thing
17:31.30aliasptrstew, I'm going to try this thanks much I have high hopes
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17:32.04Blackula73well, I'm off to configure :-)  see yalls laters
17:32.10dystopianlater
17:32.20kbrooksBlackJudas, that 'fire' analogy was presented beccause
17:32.33MLCdigitalwhat i was pointing out is when the spam server fingers the mail server the wildcard was just everyuser@domain
17:32.36kbrooksslack's pkg system is too primitive
17:32.49Blackula73it is very primitive
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17:32.56stewMLCdigital: there is no such thing as a rfc822 wildcard
17:33.04MLCdigitali know
17:33.14Blackula73bbl
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17:33.24MLCdigitalit was just a general example
17:33.54dystopianthere has been some work like slack-get but why not just use debian?
17:34.02mikohi, could anyone tell me syntax to open xffm4 in xfce4 and how to get Eterm as my default terminal (wich works on launcher at panel too)
17:34.10PerfDaveMLCdigital: You're assuming that all mail traffic goes directly from sender to recipient which is not correct.
17:34.11mikocould appreciate all help, since it was long time i used linux
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17:34.21Fox_1_hi all
17:34.30Fox_1_tarzeau: hi. how are you?
17:34.39phorce1_OK - trying to recover from stupidity. How can I install sarge on a single drive and make / a raid1 device with only one drive installed so I can add the other drive after initial installation and rebuild / from that drive?
17:34.57MLCdigitalno...
17:34.57MLCdigitalI was just speeking in general, I wasn't considering the hops to the server
17:35.08Eulexmiko, launch xffm? symlink xfterm4 to eterm?
17:35.20pureonewell you could have a main server that is just used to confirm a user
17:35.20bahamatphorce1_: you don't want to do that
17:35.40PerfDaveMLCdigital: To defeat your system, all you have to do is connect to a secondary MX. It doesn't know who valid users are at the sending ISP, it doesn't know who valid users are at the recipient end.
17:35.53mikoEulex: how to symlink xfterm4 to eterm?
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17:36.01MLCdigitaltrue...
17:36.02Fox_1_anyone know free java hostting place?
17:36.09bahamatPerfDave: that's why domain keys are important
17:36.22phorce1_bahamat: I have a system that was built as raid1 -- but the primary drive had a /boot outside the raid. That drive died -- now I have no way to boot the system to rebuild from the mirror
17:36.45bahamatPerfDave: the originiating smtp server should sign the message, then the destination mail server can verify it, regareless of any number of intermediate relays
17:36.46Eulexmiko, ln -s file-to-link-to filename-of-link
17:36.46MLCdigitalhey, I was just hopping in here to find out about ispman on debian...
17:36.46MLCdigitalAnd now I'm getting greef on my general blert on spam control
17:36.51phorce1_bahamat: do I have my raid levels mixed up -- 1 is mirror and 0 is stripe, right?
17:36.59MLCdigital:)
17:37.05bahamatphorce1_: yes
17:37.20EulexFox_1_, wrong channel
17:37.25MLCdigitali think the best way to handle spam is still a filter system
17:37.30mikoEulex: how to find where eterm is or whats is exact filename, i cant get "locate" command to work
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17:37.52bahamatMLCdigital: filters can be fooled
17:37.52Schiz0Naw, the best way to handle spam is to change your email address every few hours :-D lmao
17:37.55MLCdigitalI have been all over looking for answers on ispman and this has been the most action i've seen all day
17:37.56PerfDavebahamat: And how do you build the required web of trust?
17:37.57Fox_1_Eulex: why wrong, hostting -> server -> linux -> debian
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17:38.03phorce1_bahamat: is there a "howto" for recovering a software raid1 when the boot drive (that set up the software raid) has crashed?
17:38.13abysslo how i can mount iso and bin disc images that i can play it in a totem?
17:38.22bahamatMLCdigital: and what do you do about thousands of messages designed to look like ordinary mail traffic?
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17:38.26MLCdigitali know, but it's still a standard and can catch most spam
17:38.35bahamatphorce1_: not that I know of
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17:38.48Eulexmiko, to get locate to work, you need to run updatedb -- and eterm is probebly something like /usr/bin/eterm
17:38.51MLCdigitalhave the end user tell a net admin and add it to the filter list
17:39.00MLCdigitalit's called job security :)
17:39.02bahamatMLCdigital: I should send you all of my spam for a day and then you tell me a filter that would be smart enough to block it
17:39.05PerfDaveI quite like SPF, it seems a moderately sane way of organising things.
17:39.20MLCdigitalno thanks I have enough of it as is
17:39.20bahamatPerfDave: SPF alone isn't good enough
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17:39.26stewPerfDave: hear hear, now if only some people would start implementing it
17:39.29mikothanks Eulex
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17:40.01PerfDavebahamat: Why not?
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17:40.13phorce1_bahamat: you stated "you don't want to do that" when I asked about reinstalling sarge on a single disk with a partition set as RAID1 and / so I could use mdadm to recover from the mirror. How SHOULD I do it?
17:40.17stewbahamat: it would be if everyone provided spf records
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17:40.23bahamatI think mail integrity should be a combination of SPF, domain keys, OpenPGP/MIME (or SMIME), SMTPAUTH, and strict routing rules
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17:40.34deadfizhanyone from italy here?
17:40.38abyssnobody?
17:40.41PerfDaveSMTP auth is useless for preventing spam.
17:40.42vekposanyone here who knows how to load a programm in gnome after the panel is completely loaded (specially the notification area)
17:40.43PerfDave!it
17:40.43dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it
17:40.46bahamatstew: no, because spf doesn't prevent a user at an ISP from sending thousands of spam messages
17:40.58bahamatPerfDave: it'll cut down on zombies
17:41.09phorce1_bahamat: heh -- it just so happens it was my mail server taht bit the big one -- beat to death doing spam scanning
17:41.22PerfDavebahamat: It'll stop them sending thousands of spam messages with fake addresses.
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17:41.32PerfDavebahamat: How will domain keys stop users at ISPs from sending thousands of spam messages?
17:41.38bahamatphorce1_: and that is unfortunately the down side
17:41.56stewbahamat: if we only had to worry about people with legitimate accounts at isps, i don't think we'd have a big problem
17:41.58AtulaI have an onboard audio card. I also have a pci one. how do I detect it? or get it to use the pci sound card?
17:41.59abyss!isos
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17:42.03abyss!iso
17:42.03dpkgit has been said that iso is a cd-image.  CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image"
17:42.13abyss!mount iso
17:42.19Atula!aumix
17:42.19dpkgrumour has it, aumix is a Simple text-based mixer control program, or a console based mixer
17:42.21abyss!mount bin
17:42.30stewabyss: what are you trying to do?
17:42.30Atula!path
17:42.30dpkgpath is probably the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs.  It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells.
17:42.31bahamatPerfDave: it won't, but it'll stop people from sending mail from bogus domains
17:42.32Schiz0I hate jigdo. NetInst's are so much better.
17:42.38PerfDavebahamat: So will SPF
17:43.10bahamatPerfDave: no, not entirely
17:43.12abyssstew, i want to get out how i can mount images like iso,bin to disk so i can read the cintent
17:43.17PerfDavebahamat: SPF and domain keys are functionally equivalent, but domain keys is more complicated and more importantly subject to patent restrictions meaning it can't be universally rolled out.
17:43.26PerfDavebahamat: How "not entirely"?
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17:43.44stewabyss: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mountpoint  <- for iso.  .bin isn't a filesystem type
17:43.54bahamatPerfDave: spf is more patent encumbered than domain keys
17:44.03PerfDavebahamat: Not from everything I've read on the subject.
17:44.06Eulexabyss, .bin's have to be converted with bchunk or similar
17:44.09AtulaI have an onboard audio card. I also have a pci one. how do I detect it? or get it to use the pci sound card?
17:44.14bahamatPerfDave: domain keys and spf are both inadequate solutions
17:44.27stewabyss: a .bin is usually a rip of a vcd or something, but it is usually a binary dump of data, not a filesystem that is mountable, if its a video its probably playable from mplayer (esp if it has a .cue file to go with it)
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17:44.28bahamatPerfDave: but combined, it becomes stronger
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17:44.34EulexAtula, run alsaconf and select the one you want
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17:44.56bahamatabyss: many mac files with resource forks are also distributed as .bin
17:45.02PerfDavebahamat: I don't see how either one offers anything more than the other.
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17:45.53MLCdigitalHas anyone here configured ISPman on Debian-Sarge?  I've been hopping channels all morning looking for an sollution to my problem...  I think it's ldap crypt related
17:46.01bahamatPerfDave: well for one thing, some people are going to choose sides and use only one or the other
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17:46.19bahamatPerfDave: take gmail and hotmail
17:46.34bahamatPerfDave: gmail uses domain keys and hotmail uses spf
17:46.42ponchaguys. i need some help with mouse config :) changed mouse from ms explorer 3.0 to the 4.0a (the new ver - one with 'tilt wheel'), now i can't make gpm work with it... only moves vertically
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17:46.44PerfDavebahamat: And?
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17:46.54PerfDavebahamat: That's what happens with competing standards :)
17:46.56bahamatPerfDave: so if I want my mail server to interact well with both of those guys, then I should be using spf and domain keys
17:46.58ponchatried imps2 / autops2 / exps2 -- same shit
17:47.06stewbahamat: gmail provides spf records
17:47.14Yeremyhiho
17:47.22vekposanyone here who knows how to load a programm in gnome after the notification area is loaded? if im starting licq automatically at startup, it takes a single window, but if im starting it manually i got a nice icon in the panel.
17:47.22at0m|canyone know why hdparm -i returns BuffSize=0kB for this 16mb cache hd? didn't find any option in hdparm to enable it i think..
17:47.26stewbahamat: dig gmail.com txt
17:47.29bahamatstew: that's good...it helps
17:47.41PerfDavebahamat: You're talking about implenting stuff for *incoming* e-mail, I'm talking about implementing stuff for *outgoing*
17:48.05kvenIs it normal that 145 out of 224mb ram is taken when I run fluxbox, xchat and konsole only?
17:48.10bahamatPerfDave: for outgoing, it's purely smtpauth, there really isn't much else you can do
17:48.16znxkven: yes
17:48.19resiakvekpos: Write a script that does something like `sleep 5; exec licq` and start that?
17:48.22PerfDavebahamat: Uhm, no, smtpauth is bollocks, we've established that.
17:48.23stewkven: /msg dpkg free memory
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17:48.55vekposah, is sleep a real command?
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17:49.02znxyeah
17:49.03PerfDavebahamat: I'm happy to publish SPF records for my domain, but I can't be arsed trying to implement Domain Keys.
17:49.05znxslepp 10
17:49.05bahamatPerfDave: true
17:49.08znx:/
17:49.16bahamatPerfDave: why not?
17:49.17mikoanyone knows how to get rights to normal user to shut down/reboot computer from xfce4 "exit" menu?
17:49.18stewvekpos: man sleep
17:49.24ponchapeterS are you here? :)
17:49.33vekposyes it is, great, thx!!
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17:49.40rbochanmiko: check out the xfce help files, it's in there
17:50.04PerfDavebahamat: Because it's hard work for me, it means all mail from my domain has to route centrally through my servers, and I don't expect it to be as useful as SPF.
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17:50.20Eulexmiko, you need to give the user rights to shutdown/reboot through sudo
17:50.29bahamatPerfDave: no it doesn't
17:50.29RogueDopplehmm a bahamat
17:50.35tvnhow do I know if my machine is 64 or 32 bit ?
17:50.38kvenIs it possible to make numlock always on somewhere?
17:50.50PerfDavetvn: uname -a
17:50.52aliasptrstew, that did it, adding "skip forcedeth" to /etc/discover.conf-2.6 did the trick
17:50.54aliasptrthanks so much
17:51.09aliasptrI wasn't aware of the discover mechanism- idiot
17:51.14bahamatPerfDave: spf says "here's a list of servers allowed to send mail from me"
17:51.33bahamatPerfDave: domain keys is "this message is certified to have come from me"
17:51.55stewaliasptr: you're welcome
17:51.57bahamatPerfDave: I don't see how not combining those is not stronger than one or the other alone
17:52.17bahamatum, scartch the first not
17:52.21tvnPerfDave: that doesn't say anything ?  Linux Halong 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
17:52.29PerfDavetvn: i686 - 32 bit
17:52.53tvnPerfDave: oh , what would a 64 bit say  ?
17:52.53PerfDavebahamat: If I'm already using SPF, how does Domain Keys make my domain more spamproof?
17:52.59PerfDavetvn: x86_64
17:53.11tvnPerfDave: interesting .. thanks
17:53.13PerfDavetvn: (or sparc64 etc...)
17:53.14YeremyCan anybody help me with mine winmodem? Please MSG me...
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17:53.29Eulex!topicbadger Yeremy
17:53.30dpkg/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Yeremy didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic...
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17:53.46bahamatPerfDave: because it's trivially easy to fake mail headers, and mail relays
17:54.06PerfDavebahamat: That's not the point of SPF
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17:54.08tvnPerfDave:  Linux spe178 2.6.9-11.EL #1 SMP Fri May 20 18:25:13 EDT 2005 ia64 ia64 ia64 GNU/Linux  <- this is not running on Debian, it's 64 bit right ?
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17:54.17EulexYeremy, it says: "/msg bots NOT people"
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17:54.20stewbahamat: its not trivially easy to spoof your ip
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17:54.40exobyteI have a soekris box.  what's the minimum space I need for a usable installation (maybe gcc, g++, etc)
17:54.41Eulextvn, yeah, ia64 is 64-bit too
17:54.42bahamatstew: no, but you can easily lie about your hostname
17:54.46YeremyCan anybody help me with mine winmodem? Please MSG me...
17:54.54Schiz0er..
17:54.56PerfDave!tell Yeremy -about repeat
17:54.58stewbahamat: in the HELO?
17:55.02Eulex!tell Yeremy about repeat
17:55.07bahamatstew: or anywhere else
17:55.09stewbahamat: i don't see what that gets you
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17:55.53Eulexexobyte, "soekris"? anyway, ~1g for a usable desktop box
17:56.22stewexobyte: install guide says 450 mb for sarge
17:56.25exobyteEulex: too much $$
17:56.27dystopianhey Yeremy : http://www.linmodems.org/
17:56.36exobytestew: heh- network boot for me
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17:56.50exobyteEulex: soekris.com.  they make embedded i386 boxes
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17:57.14Eulexexobyte, ok
17:57.37TwistedEmotionsdeadcat: installing windows on lappy ;P
17:57.39bahamatstew: domain keys are valid even when mail is forwarded through an intermediate mail server
17:57.40stewEulex: they make  less powerfull slightly more expensive embedded i386 router platforms than pcengines
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17:57.47bahamatstew: spf fails there
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17:57.52Eulexok
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17:58.23bahamatstew: I'm not saying spf is bad, or that dk is better
17:58.27stewbahamat: spf fail in that it would block legitimate mail, not allow spam, right?
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17:58.36Eulexexobyte, yeah, if its' not gonna be desktop I'd too say ~0.5g
17:58.46exobyteEulex: thx
17:58.46stewbahamat: i'm just saying i dunno how being able to spoof your hostname gets you around spf
17:58.48bahamatstew: I am saying that each is good individually, both together is better
17:58.58mohas anyone heard of any problems with the new debian 3.1 sarge netinstall disk - It detects my card but won't configure via dhcp - I currently use fedora and it's set up right now via dhcp - is it possible that dhcp is broken on this disk?  PLZ help
17:59.11bahamatstew: because you can fake it to an intermediate mail server that ignores spf
17:59.11PerfDaveI wonder how hard it would be to configure exim to allow relaying of mail signed by a trusted GPG key...
17:59.16Eulexexobyte, depending on exactly what you want on it, of course
17:59.34stewbahamat: if it comes from some intermediate mailserver that is not in the spf record, its an spf failure
17:59.36PerfDavemo: What network card do you have?
17:59.40moBTW - I have two different network cards
17:59.50moone sec PerfDave
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18:00.04nvzmo: two different network cards, or two that use the same driver?
18:00.08bahamatstew: right, but if the message is signed by dk, then it's trusted again
18:00.09mikowhat was the terminal what you coulda turn transparent with xfree86?
18:00.09mikowas it eterm or aterm or...hmm weird
18:00.18PerfDavemo: Are they both in the machine simultaneously? Could be that they're given different interface names in Debian and Fedora.
18:00.20resiakmiko: Just about all of them?
18:00.22moyes
18:00.36moPerfDave, they come up the same in fedora
18:00.43moI use a router that is set to DHCP
18:00.54PerfDavemo: What do you mean, "they come up the same"? Two interfaces can't have the same name.
18:01.11QaDeSis there an apt-get wizard in here? ^^
18:01.21moPerfDave - I mean they come up the same in debian and in fedora
18:01.29resiak!tell QaDeS about guru
18:01.36PerfDavemo: In what way do they "come up the same"?
18:01.37dystopianmiko, it is aterm
18:01.43moeth1 via technologies VT6102 Rhine II
18:01.52mikodystopian: thx
18:02.14moeth0 Lite-On Communications LNE100TX
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18:02.34PerfDavemo: Is that in Debian, or Fedora?
18:02.36moPerfDave - these are my cards - normally just set to DHCP and everything works
18:02.40dystopianI played with it for a bit. aterm is ok. pretty basic and sparse.
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18:02.44moFedora - but come up the same in Debian
18:02.49mrwoodydoes anyone know any software that allows to print more than one picture in the same page?
18:02.52QaDeShehe ok ;)
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18:03.03testihi guys.. this might be a stupid question.. but if i have a motherboard vga... what should i put for the video card? (when install x)
18:03.03Withdrawis there a comman to delete a nonemtpy folder?
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18:03.09PerfDavemo: Well, there's nothing broken with DHCP on the Sarge netinstall disk. Are you sure they're the same?
18:03.10QaDeSi got a problem upgrading some packages
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18:03.13PerfDaveWithdraw: man rm
18:03.13nvzmrwoody: Postscript, the universal printing tool :P
18:03.13mikodystopian: hmm how to see menu with it, eg. how to make it transparent:D (and change scrollbar)
18:03.14resiakWithdraw: man rm
18:03.17nvzmrwoody: psnup
18:03.32Withdrawkewl thanks
18:03.42moPerfDave - maybe the driver Debian is detecting is wrong - how would I check this?
18:03.48QaDeSthere are newer packages installed from another distro, and it won't let me perform an upgrade or install
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18:03.53moAlso, neither card seems to detect via DHCP
18:04.07QaDeS...but i do need the other ones, yanno
18:04.08moI'm pretty sure debian detects them correctly - it says it does
18:04.11resiak!vaguenesssmite QaDeS
18:04.12dystopianit's kind of a pain to do. you have to edit a config file or add the commands to the start up
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18:04.26testihi guys.. this might be a stupid question.. but if i have a motherboard vga... what should i put for the video card? (when install x)
18:04.36resiaktesti: Depends on the chipset.
18:04.44testisis 530
18:04.47stewQaDeS: what problem. what packages
18:04.48moany Ideas as to where to start troubleshooting?  I've never had this problem before - been using several version of linux using these cards previously - also using it right now
18:04.56resiaktesti: No, the video chipset.
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18:05.04testiah
18:05.05bahamattesti: it depends on what video chip supplier your mb mfgr partnered with
18:05.08testii'll find out
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18:05.26QaDeSapt-get -reinstall install postgresql    ->  "Reinstallation of postgresql not possible, it cannot be downloaded"
18:05.29PerfDavemo: It would help if you went into more detail about your setup. Why do you have two network cards in your computer? What are they connected to?
18:05.29rbochanpoit
18:05.34moPerfDave - one thing I do know is that fedora disables irq #10 not sure why but do you think this may help?
18:05.39stewQaDeS: did you apt-get update?
18:05.46QaDeSnetwork and archive server are up tho
18:05.46PerfDavemo: I have no idea.
18:05.54QaDeSmultiple times, yea
18:05.57PerfDaveQaDeS: Which version o fDebian are you using?
18:06.12moPerfDave - only use one nic card (eth0 hooked to wireless router via lan cord) eth1 not used
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18:06.33PerfDavemo: OK, and you get two interfaces showing up on the Debian netinstall disk?
18:06.53moyes, eth0 and eth1 - both seem to be correctly detected
18:07.00QaDeSi upgraded from sarge to ubuntu hoary, but the ubuntu guys couldn't answer ;)
18:07.01mrwoodynvz: psnup?
18:07.03resiak!win PerfDave
18:07.03dpkgCongratulations, PerfDave! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
18:07.07testihere's the mobo.. there's no direct showing of what the chipset is... anyone have an idea on how to look for it on the motherboard directly
18:07.08PerfDave!ubuntusmite QaDeS
18:07.08testihttp://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/miami.htm
18:07.08Schiz0How do you restart X or KDE when it crashes?
18:07.11resiak!tell QaDeS -about they don't know
18:07.17fabian13Guys onething about mono, it isn't even starting up
18:07.25tvnupgrade from Sarge to Unbutu ?  interesting ...
18:07.25rbochantesti: just run lspci, that should tell you
18:07.28stew!tell QaDeS about they don't know
18:07.29kbrooksQaDeS, not supported
18:07.41testiah ok
18:07.44kbrooksQaDeS, formatted or dist-upgraded?
18:07.45fabian13I have not tried ubuntu
18:07.51PerfDaveQaDeS: We don't support Ubuntu here, and if you've tried to "upgrade" from Sarge to Hoary, you've probably fucked your system.
18:07.52EulexQaDeS, such things are bound to create problems
18:07.52RogueDoppleahhhhhhhhhh
18:07.53eliripsanyone knows about problems in 2.6.12.2 and acpi + fan? i was wondering why my laptop was running so silently until now - now i've seen that cpu temperature is at 85°C.. usually it never goes higher than 60.. anybody knows something?
18:07.57QaDeSdist-upgrade
18:08.11PerfDavemo: Have you tried moving the network cable to the other interface?
18:08.13kbrooksQaDeS, no support
18:08.15testiit says... "VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 530/620 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev a2)"
18:08.15fabian13thank you
18:08.15stewQaDeS: there is no way we can help with a broken ubuntu mirror
18:08.18testiso i guess VGA works
18:08.20moPerfDavey yeseth0 and eth1 - both seem to be correctly detected
18:08.25QaDeSlol i know, but this should look like a solvable problem...
18:08.27kbrooksQaDeS, whats your problem anyway?
18:08.33testithanks rbochan
18:08.34mrwoodynvz: any debian package for psnup?
18:08.39kbrooksQaDeS, unfortunately, it  isnt
18:08.44resiakIs there some website somewhere that says to install Debian then "upgrade" to Ubuntoy? Can we murder its author?
18:08.44PerfDaveQaDeS: Go and get it solved by either reinstalling Sarge, or installing Hoary.
18:08.45moPerfDave yes, neither device will configure via DHCP
18:08.53resiakQaDeS: Out of interest, why the hell did you do that?
18:08.54Eulexelirips, 2.6.12.2 is not debian -- goto ##linux
18:08.54QaDeS:o/
18:08.55rbochantesti: there you go then
18:08.55nvzmrwoody: pstools or something like that
18:08.57mothis makes no sense as it's working right now in fedora
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18:09.03testiye.. thanks
18:09.09PerfDavemo: Which interface did you tell the installer to use?
18:09.15nvzmrwoody: I've only used it to print multiple pages of a text document on one page, but it can likely be used for that too
18:09.22moPerfDave - tried both
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18:09.26moagain neither
18:09.27QaDeSneeded a clean jdk 1.5 and debian didn't seem to offer an easy way
18:09.33resiak!topicsmite QaDeS
18:09.34dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon QaDeS.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
18:09.43dondelelcaroQaDeS: that's great. Please take your ubuntu issues to #ubuntu
18:09.45kbrooksQaDeS, THEN WHY DIDNT YOU READ THE TOPIC?
18:09.46mrwoodynvz: for pictures?
18:09.47QaDeSyanno, java-package and stuff just don't satisfy me ;)
18:09.48PerfDaveQaDeS: If you want to use Sun's evil Java, /msg dpkg java
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18:10.01testididn't you guys have a different page that showed step by step on how to install x-windows
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18:10.05resiak!faq testi
18:10.07kbrooksQaDeS, reinstall sarge, you sir!
18:10.07dpkgtesti: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
18:10.08nvzmrwoody: possibly, never tried it
18:10.08testik
18:10.13PerfDaveQaDeS: You're not running Debian, we can't help you with you problem. You're not running Ubuntu either, so #ubuntu probably can't help you either.
18:10.22testiye.. on that one.. just seems different from before
18:10.24PerfDaveNot that #ubuntu is great at helping people who *are* running Ubuntu ;)
18:10.25testidid you guys upgrade it?
18:10.29RogueDopplepoor QaDeS
18:10.49tvnQaDeS: we call it "hybrid"  in Computer Science ....
18:10.51QaDeShehe PerfDave
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18:11.05PerfDavemo: Right. So you've tried using both interfaces to install, you've tried using the network cable in both cards, and on all four of those combinations, nothing has worked?
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18:11.24kbrooksQaDeS, if you dont install sarge at this moment, i shall persoonally deciare you a moron
18:11.33dondelelcarokbrooks: that's not necessary.
18:11.35RogueDoppleha ah
18:11.38dystopianok, so why on earth would anyone think they could just change their sources.list file to "upgrade" from sarge to ubuntu hoary? please explain this? it is just pure smacktardery on it's very face. or is that just me thinking this!?
18:11.52QaDeSbelieve it or not, on this machine it worked like a breeze ;)
18:11.53rbochandystopian: it's not just you
18:11.58mrwoodynvz: I guess I was looking for something more friendly
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18:12.05RogueDoppledystopian: he was drunk at the time
18:12.05PerfDaveQaDeS: Except it didn't, because you're having problems :p
18:12.09resiakQaDeS: It quite blatantly _didn't_.
18:12.27resiakPerfDave: I'll leave the sarcastic truth comments to you. :)
18:12.28fabian13how much is ubuntu ahead of debian anyway
18:12.30QaDeSnot on this machine. it's my ex-suse notebook that's causing problems
18:12.34moPerfDave - yes, when it doesn't work I went back and selected the other one.  That didn't work either.  Then changed cord to other nic and tried both also
18:12.41dystopianI have only been using linux for about a year and a few months and I know this. it's not that freaking hard is it? I mean I don't know everything but still....
18:12.51PerfDavemo: OK, which Debian installer are you using, what argumetns are you passing to it?
18:12.58dondelelcaroplease take the ubuntu discussion elsewhere. It is OT here. If it continues, I will begin devoicing people.
18:12.59resiakabrotman: He installed SuSE when trying to install Debian, like you!
18:12.59yerhey guys
18:13.13QaDeSlol
18:13.16yeris there an init scrip manager for debian similar to chkconfig on redhat?
18:13.20mono arguments, using netinst CD image (100 Mb) debian 3.1r0
18:13.23resiakyer: rcconf ?
18:13.29rbochanyer:  update-rc.d
18:13.30moPerfDave  no arguments, using netinst CD image (100 Mb) debian 3.1r0
18:13.30fabian13yes
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18:13.36QaDeSi won't say the U-word ever again in this channel *promises*
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18:13.42kittonianhas anyone here ever configured bind 9 with views both as a primary and a slave server?
18:13.42*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
18:13.42*** mode/#debian [+q *!*@p54A9A53F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by dondelelcaro
18:13.42*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
18:13.53moPersonally I thought ubuntu sucked
18:14.00PerfDavemo: Two things to try - remove the card you're not using, if you're not using it, and try installing with a 2.6 kernel.
18:14.01dystopianme too mo
18:14.05fabian13it works perfect for basic installing
18:14.11kittonianI've been reading tons of docs and have it up and working except that I cannot get the slave to transfer over the external view
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18:14.24dondelelcaromo, dystopian: please, take it elsewhere.
18:14.29yerthanks resiak rbochan
18:14.30dystopianok.
18:14.31moPerfDave, how do I install with a later kernel?
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18:14.37fabian13the rest is done by using apt-get -- install
18:14.46PerfDavemo: Read the help on the netinstall CD.
18:14.48kbrooksmo, dystopian: want me to create a channel?     :P
18:14.52mocool thx
18:14.53PerfDavemo: Or the Sarge Installation Manual.
18:15.04rbochanyer: it's a bit different than what you're used to, but it's not too bad to figure out
18:15.04mothis is weird
18:15.12fabian13and if you have to search for something  use apt-cache search
18:15.15dystopiannah. it was just funny to me. I don't really care about ubuntu
18:15.16sandipis etch going to have gnome 2.8 all along?
18:15.36mikoone more stupid question if allowed, how to use "hotkeys" on keyboard?
18:15.39dondelelcarosandip: etch will end up having whatevr it ends up having. The transition has already begun to 2.10
18:15.44Eulexsandip, parts of 2.10 is currently coming into etch
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18:16.00tvnmiko: lineakd and plenty of "howto" reading
18:16.00Eulexmiko, try xbindkeys
18:16.02mikoi got keyboard with with shortcut keys for internet, "mp3player" etc. dunno how to get em work
18:16.12yerrbochan: anything is better than hardlinking them by hand :P
18:16.13mikoEulex: ok thanks again:)
18:16.16rbochanmiko:  i fusing kde, there's khotkeys
18:16.19sandipdondelelcaro: ok. so version changes are ok in unstable? (i am new to debian). i thought they went into sid only
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18:16.31PerfDavesandip: sid is unstable.
18:16.34fabian13Debian has a like ubuntu and other debian based systems something far superior over Redhad and Suse apt, You don't have to search for the fucking dependencies
18:16.53kittoniannevermind, i just figured it out
18:16.56PerfDavesandip: etch is testing. Packages from unstable filter through into testing if they don't have any serious bugs filed against them for a certain period of time.
18:16.58dondelelcarofabian13: again, take it elsewhere.
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18:17.06LinuxFireHay rbochan how goes
18:17.09PerfDavesandip: Then occasionally the testing distro gets frozen, and released as stable.
18:17.10ke6isffabian13: what's that got to do with the price of tea in china?
18:17.10dondelelcarofabian13: advocacy is redundant in this channel.
18:17.21rbochanLinuxFire: hi
18:17.24fabian13sorry
18:17.32fabian13I'll leave
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18:18.02sandipdondelelcaro: redundant? you mean it is already here? ;)
18:18.11mikoEulex: well, if i type xbindkeys on terminal it shows nothing, when i use "run" nothin appears aswell
18:18.18dystopianfabian13, it's just that everyone here is already a debian user. no need to sell anything
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18:18.27Eulexmiko, rtfm
18:18.29dondelelcarosandip: no, as in we wouldn't actually be here if we didn't know already what we are using.
18:18.32fabian13ok
18:18.34kbrookswhy arent hybrids supported?
18:18.49dondelelcarokbrooks: I will support them if you pay my hourly rates.
18:18.49fabian13I'll get in with the subjects
18:18.49ke6isfkbrooks: hybrids?
18:19.06rbochankbrooks: and I charge double what dondelelcaro does
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18:19.20dystopianhybrids? what hybrids? what are you talking about?
18:19.45ke6isfkbrooks: Do you mean the debian based distros such as Ubuntu and the like?
18:19.47tvnhybrid = mixture ,  not pure
18:19.59dystopianit's probably offtopic anyway so nevermind
18:20.11ke6isftvn: Yes, but that cna conceivably be a crossing of Debian and Mandribble.
18:20.26kbrooksQaDeS's problem, that's what im talking about
18:20.32ke6isftvn: Or Debian and OS/2.
18:20.38Eulexkbrooks, making a hybrid between for example ubuntu and debian has undefined consequences
18:20.44dystopianbecause what he did was corny?
18:20.45mikoEulex: well i have no clue what are markings for these hotkeys i have...my english aint so good to understand all from manual neither
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18:21.11fabian13Are you all selling debian iso's
18:21.17Eulexmiko, you could try xbindkeys-config
18:21.22PerfDavekbrooks: Because when you try to combine binary packages from two different distros, things can go wrong in *hundreds* of different ways, it's just pointless to even try and sort it out. The whole point of having distros is to have consistent packages and package versions wich are tested with all the other packages.
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18:21.25dondelelcarofabian13: no, we aren't. Visit debian.org/CD or read the faq.
18:21.31PerfDavefabian13: Nope, but there are peopel who do.
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18:21.56LinuxFirerbochan: long time no see how ya been
18:21.57testiwould x-system crash if there wasn't a mouse plugged in?
18:22.01ke6isffabian13: I *could* sell you one, but why, when you can download it?
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18:22.10DukGalNa1utesti: yes
18:22.12fabian13are you all developpers
18:22.13asgtesti: yes, unless you configure it not to
18:22.18asgfabian13: no
18:22.21Hostilealsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or director
18:22.25Hostilehow do I fix that??
18:22.26RvGaTesoooo, how ya guys doing? :)
18:22.30rbochanLinuxFire: not bad, how are things on your side?
18:22.30PerfDavefabian13: No, this isn't a channel for developers, it's a channel for support. Some of the people here *are* DDs (or DPL) but not many.
18:22.33kbrooksPerfDave, ah, i see
18:22.34dystopianwith the advent of readily available broadband internet connections it is possible to download it yourself fabian13 or even get a friend to do it for you.
18:22.44testii keep getting: (EE) Mouse1: cannot open input device, and "failed to initialize core devices"
18:22.53testidang it.. now i'm gonna have to find a mouse.. .:(
18:22.55LinuxFirePretty good just trying to stay buisy
18:23.04asgtesti: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (choose a correct mouse)
18:23.05ke6isfkbrooks: Probably because of the fact that the deriv's have a tendency to do things a little differently.
18:23.13testiasg well i don't want to plug in a mouse
18:23.16bahamattesti: it's not exactly crashing, but it will exit if there is a mouse configured, but not connected
18:23.23kbrookske6isf, OK.
18:23.24asgtesti: then configure X not to bitch about it
18:23.27testiahh
18:23.32LinuxFirerbochan you ever talt to GOtroot anymore
18:23.32fabian13I will leave now if am troubling you all
18:23.36testiasg (how do i do that)
18:23.38testi?
18:23.43rbochanLinuxFire: not sicne he disappeared
18:23.46RvGaTewhat are good GUI's for debian ?
18:23.46asgtesti: man XF86Config-4
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18:23.47valdyntesti: or you could read the manpage to XF86Config-4
18:23.52Eulextesti, eh? run X without a mouse? ain't X then rather unusable?
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18:24.00kbrooksis mixing sarge and sid allowed? whats the point of doing so anyway?
18:24.02DukGalNa1uanyone know how to configure a wireless card?
18:24.04PerfDaveRvGaTe: "good" is a matter of opinion. KDE is the default, I'd advise it.
18:24.04asgEulex: not with ion
18:24.08PerfDavekbrooks: "allowed" how?
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18:24.11asgDukGalNa1u: man 7 wireless
18:24.13Eulexasg, oh, yeah
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18:24.25dystopianRvGaTe, gnome, kde, xfce are some.
18:24.26kbrooksPerfDave, the pinning
18:24.29dondelelcarokbrooks: we don't support it.
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18:24.44PerfDavekbrooks: Mixing binary packages between sarge and sid will shortly break horribly as the GCC 4 thing happens. Backporting from source is much more stable, but running non-stable packages on stable isn't really supported here.
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18:24.47EulexRvGaTe, whatever you like
18:24.56dondelelcarokbrooks: it's quite likely to break; if you don't know how to fix it and how it will break, you generally shouldn't do it.
18:25.06dondelelcarofar better to make backports of your packages
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18:25.11RvGaTeIs it possible to install KDE remotely, then remotely install VNC on it to connect to it?
18:25.19dystopianPerfDave, I thought gnome was the default
18:25.21PerfDaveRvGaTe: It should be.
18:25.24stewRvGaTe: yes
18:25.26EulexRvGaTe, ssh?
18:25.34kbrooksah, iyhtaysdi (?)
18:25.38PerfDaveRvGaTe: Though it woul be easier to install KDE remotely and use XDMCP or X forwarding to connect to it.
18:25.46RvGaTei have SSH yes
18:26.03PerfDavedystopian: *shrug* When I installed Debian with the "Desktop Environment" task, it installed KDE and Gnome, but booted with KDM and KDE by default.
18:26.10DraconicusAh! I think I found why GNOME won't start up normally. Metacity was out of date.
18:26.13RvGaTei just want to see how it looks like using a GIU in unix...
18:26.19RvGaTebut i dont have a monitor on the server
18:26.19mikoEulex: well, it does work on common keys like F* etc, but not on special keys on keyboard, how to fix it? cant find nothing on manual:(
18:26.22dondelelcaroPerfDave: I think it's KDM and gnome by default know
18:26.22rbochanPerfDave: should have booted into gdm
18:26.24PerfDaveRvGaTe: Plug one in? :)
18:26.25dondelelcaros/knownow/
18:26.28PerfDavedondelelcaro: Ick!
18:26.29DraconicusNew GNOME + Old Metacity = Conflict
18:26.32dondelelcarobut then, I really can't remember
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18:26.35RvGaTePerfDave: cant do that :(
18:26.44pipelineRvGaTe: Using vnc sucks when you could use X11
18:26.44Eulexmiko, I dunno, it worked for me out-of-the.box
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18:26.55kbrooksheh
18:26.55tvnRvGaTe: you can look at people's screenshots
18:26.57pipelineRvGaTe: SSH tunneled X11 to a windows machine using XMing and putty is pretty easy
18:27.01dystopianyeah, I got gdm by default. not that i mind really.
18:27.07ircdevilman, my new hd stinks ...
18:27.08RvGaTepipeline: sounds complicated tho
18:27.10mikoEulex: do you need to specify some diff keyboard type on xfree setup maybe?
18:27.18RvGaTepipeline: got a guide for it somehwre ?
18:27.24ircdevilsmels of ozone and burned print plate
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18:27.48pipelineRvGaTe: It's not, really.  You start the X server on your windows machine, you enable "X11 forwarding" in /etc/sshd_config, then you use putty to forward X11 from your remote system.
18:27.56DukGalNa1uForm : wireless-<function> <value>
18:28.02pipelineRvGaTe: Then when you ssh in, you start "gnome-session" and off you go.
18:28.15DukGalNa1uthat was in the man page, could someone explain what function and value are supposed to be
18:28.17pipelineRvGaTe: XDMCP is even simpler, but it is dangerous
18:28.19DukGalNa1u?
18:28.23Eulexmiko, I dunno -- for example my volume up looks like "NoSymbol | m:0x0 + c:176" -- though that maybe won't work for you? you could try that thing named lineakd, or whatever it was called (I've never used it)
18:28.29kbrookspipeline, how come?
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18:28.34RvGaTepipeline: you forgotten that im kinda n00bish with all those terms
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18:28.37pipelinekbrooks: plaintext passwords
18:28.44kbrooksew
18:28.51RvGaTepipeline: i did however, managed to install it for network printing
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18:28.56pipelinekbrooks: XDMCP is just a wrapper protocol for regular X
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18:29.04DukGalNa1uForm : wireless-<function> <value>
18:29.06DukGalNa1uthat was in the man page, could someone explain what function and value are supposed to be
18:29.09DukGalNa1u?
18:29.09pipelineRvGaTe: Putty and Xming are click and drool.  You can't fuck it up.
18:29.20mikoEulex: yeah shows nosymbol for me too but command wont start
18:29.34RvGaTepipeline: i can, hehe :P ill give it a try
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18:29.48pipelineRvGaTe: the change to /etc/ssh/sshd_config is just changing the line X11Forwarding "no" to X11Forwarding "yes" and restarting ssh (/etc/init.d/ssh restart)
18:29.51stewDukGalNa1u: anything that could be an argument to iwconfig, so wirrless-essid wireless-key wireless-channel, etc
18:30.00Hostilealsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory......how do I fix that???
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18:30.09DukGalNa1ustew: i see
18:30.09Eulexmiko, you need to run xbindkeys & in a term
18:30.20pipelineRvGaTe: Or is it "ForwardX11" ? It's something like that.  You'll see it in the file.
18:30.32mikoEulex: i type "xbindkeys &" in term, not config?
18:30.44Eulexmiko, yes
18:30.47DukGalNa1ustew: what about the the main configuration?
18:30.47sandipHostile: What does " lspci|fgrep -i audio" give you?
18:30.53pipelineRvGaTe: when you start the XMing wizard, just remember the IP address and "display number" (e.g. 192.168.1.100:15) and put that into putty where it asks for a display to forward to
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18:31.01stewDukGalNa1u: main configuration of what?
18:31.06Hostilesandip, 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
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18:31.16mikoEulex: gives that error...1024 or something the number thing
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18:31.21DukGalNa1uauto eth0
18:31.23DukGalNa1uiface eth0 inet dhcp
18:31.24DukGalNa1uthat>
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18:31.45stewDukGalNa1u: that is correct.  what exactly are you asking?
18:31.49mikoEulex: [1] 2410 and nothing else
18:31.50RvGaTepipeline: ok, i enabled the forwarding, what's this XMing you were talking about ? :S
18:32.07Eulexmiko, that is like it should be
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18:32.15DukGalNa1ustew: in this case it woulod be wln0 right? and nothing else changes?
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18:32.17mikoEulex: what i do now then?
18:32.18stewDukGalNa1u: if eth0 was a wireless care, you could, on the next line put "wireless-essid any" or "wireless-channel 6"
18:32.30stew^care^card
18:32.31underlinecould anyone help me with cinelerra?? "cinelerra: relocation error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1: undefined symbol: faacDecClose"
18:32.40Eulexmiko, try using the key short-cuts you defined
18:32.47Hostilesandip, ideas?
18:32.48DukGalNa1ustew: i see
18:32.56stewDukGalNa1u: i dunno, maybe eth1, maybe wlan0, maybe ath0, depends on your driver
18:32.57ircdevilis there a directory browser plugin for xmms which shows album.jpgs ?
18:32.59mikoEulex: ok
18:33.17sandipHostile: I have a similar card. However, I have an additional card which created a problem like the one you mentioned
18:33.18pipelineRvGaTe: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming
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18:33.32pipelineRvGaTe: I presume your local system is running windows.  "Putty" is a free ssh client.  "Xming" is a free X11 server.
18:33.36Hostilesandip, I had this problem before...I forget how I fixed it
18:33.48pipelineRvGaTe: X11 "clients" on the remote system connect to the local display running the X11 "server"
18:34.03DukGalNa1ustew: i ran the port scanning program and couldn't find the router for some reason, would you know why?
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18:34.19ircdevilah - xmms-coverviewer - that must be it
18:34.20stewDukGalNa1u: becuase the router doens't have any open ports
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18:34.34mikoEulex: hmm, one more thing, whats commands for reducing/increasing/muting volume? (the actions on box below...)
18:34.36stewDukGalNa1u: or you are not connected to it
18:34.36DukGalNa1unoone is using the ports
18:34.46DukGalNa1ustew: ...
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18:34.50RvGaTepipeline: sorry, let me get this straight....: i install KDE or X on the server, then using XMing i can view it remotely trough SSH... ?
18:34.55Eulexmiko, man aumix
18:34.59DukGalNa1ustew: so i have to be connected to scan?
18:35.06sandipHostile: I modprobe -r'ed all the sound modules one by one (till snd) and then modprobed snd-emu10xxx (which i wanted to work with) to make it work
18:35.11stewDukGalNa1u: for open ports? yes.
18:35.12pipelineRvGaTe: You don't have to have an X server on the remote end.  But yes.
18:35.21mikoEulex: and does these combinations work after rebooting aswell? usually those "./binaries &" terminate after reboot/shutdown...
18:35.22Hostilesandip, well my sound works fine
18:35.42Eulexmiko, you have to make it start when xfce starts
18:35.50pipelineRvGaTe: It will be slow, but still much, much faster than VNC.
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18:35.53stewDukGalNa1u: why are you looking for open ports?
18:36.03DukGalNa1ustew: i am going to have quite a day ahead of me...
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18:36.15RvGaTepipeline its over local network, how can it be slow?
18:36.18DukGalNa1umaybe i wasn't sure what it did
18:36.24Eulexmiko, put a symlink to your script in ~/Desktop/Autostart is none way
18:36.27pipelineRvGaTe: Well, then it will be pretty much like sitting at the local machine.
18:36.30sandipHostile: oh? then check if there is esd running and blocking?
18:36.36pipelineRvGaTe: 3d applications will run slowly because Xming is not good at 3d, though :(
18:36.42mikoEulex: whats syntax for it? im rookie
18:36.43DukGalNa1ustew: id try to find the program but i don't think i hwve it
18:36.51Hostilesandip, I fixed it
18:36.54RvGaTepipeline: not going to use any 3d :P
18:36.58sandipHostile: what was it?
18:37.03stewDukGalNa1u: what are you trying to do?
18:37.09DukGalNa1ustew: i am getting help for another computer that is not in reach right now
18:37.18Esajcan anyone recommend a decent laptop for development?
18:37.24pipelineRvGaTe: Then it will be fast as lightning
18:37.31Eulexmiko, another way is to add the commands you want to /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc
18:37.32pipelineEsaj: Can't go wrong with IBM.
18:37.46Esajpipeline: thinkpads?
18:37.49stewpipeline: ibm doens't make laptops :P
18:37.50DukGalNa1ustew: just trying to connect linux pc to router
18:37.58stewDukGalNa1u: via wireless?
18:37.58Hostilesandip, no alsa-base
18:38.00Hostilelmfao
18:38.00RvGaTepipeline: so next question, how do i install a GUI with VNC on it, all using ssh...
18:38.01Eulexmiko, symlinking is ln -s file/to/link/to filename/of/symlink
18:38.06DukGalNa1ustew: yup
18:38.14Esajstew: they used to :)
18:38.16stewDukGalNa1u: do you know the essid, channel, and key?
18:38.30stewEsaj: i would also recommend thinkpads, btw
18:38.33vekposhow can i run the command "sleep 5 && licq" when gnome is starting?
18:38.35nomad_czHi. Could anyone answer few questions concerning sw raid ? Preferably on PM. Thx.
18:38.41phorce1_OK, I realize I'm talking to myself mostly but I need to type this out. I now have 1 drive with '/' set on a raid1 fresh install. I need to rebuild that from the info on another drive that is currently unplugged. Since '/' is USING the device do I need to build a boot floppy with MD for doing this (or does knoppix have MD built in)
18:38.44mikoEulex: thanks, i used the xinitrc way seemed easier, hehe
18:38.48pipelineRvGaTe: I don't use VNC on UNIX because it's so goddamn awful.
18:38.48DukGalNa1ustew: essid yes, channel no, key yes
18:38.50stewnomad_cz: nobody is going to /msg you just ask here if you have questions
18:39.01pipelineEsaj: Yeah.  The R, T, and X series are reknowned for their build quality.
18:39.13RvGaTepipeline: so, what do you suggest... xming instead?
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18:39.14pipelinenomad_cz: Just ask your questions.
18:39.24nomad_czpipeline:  stew: Ok ;)
18:39.26pipelineRvGaTe: Yes, I suggest you use X11 instead.  X11 is a protocol designed to do what you want.
18:39.28Eulexmiko, you could also it to the xinitrc of the user (instructions should be in the manual), though I've never gotten that to work
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18:39.28mikoEulex: btw you know how to get normal user permission to reboot/shutdown on xfce4 "exit" menu? cant figure it out, dumb as i am
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18:39.40resiakvekpos: (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo 'sleep 5; exec licq') > ~/licq-delay; chmod +x ~/licq-delay
18:39.50resiakvekpos: Then tell Gnome to run ~/licq-delay on start.
18:39.51mikoEulex: im the only user here anyway so its ok
18:39.53Eulexmiko, I've already told you, give the user permissions to shutdown/reboot with sudo
18:40.00stewDukGalNa1u: iwconfig wlan0 essid any key sekret ; then run iwconfig wlan0 ; and see if AccessPoint has the something other than 00:00.. or FF:FF.. if so, you are connected
18:40.08phorce1_nomad_cz: HAH -- you too -- I just had a bad SW raid crash and am twisting in the wind trying to fix it
18:40.13Hostileok whats the advantage of running alsa? my sound works fine without it but what does it do?
18:40.20mikoEulex: must have missed it im using tty3 and text flies past often, sorry
18:40.32Eulexmiko, ok
18:40.34nomad_czphorce1_: ;) I am just planning to make it work ;)
18:40.36stewDukGalNa1u: replace any with your essid.  replace wlan0 with whatever your wireless device is named
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18:41.00RvGaTepipeline: this is confusing me, really...
18:41.03Esajpipeline, stew: thanks, is it best to buy straight from IBM/Lenovo or find a reseller?
18:41.07DukGalNa1ustew: i have tried that
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18:41.19DukGalNa1ustew: not quite so simple
18:41.19pablum_<PROTECTED>
18:41.20stewEsaj: i only buy them from ebay, i'm too cheap to buy a new one
18:41.22keenanhow come gnome trash doesn't work?
18:41.32pablum_oops
18:41.32Esajstew: hehe, ok :)
18:41.34keenani throw things away and then look in the trash and they aren't there
18:41.34stewDukGalNa1u: it should be that simple, what driver are you using
18:41.35resiak!doesn't work
18:41.35dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
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18:41.45DukGalNa1ustew: acx 111
18:41.46Hostilesandip, whats the advantage of running alsa?
18:41.47stewEsaj: if you buy a used one, make sure its got plenty of warranty time left
18:41.49pipelineEsaj: I don't know, I've never dealt with a reseller.
18:41.50keenani just explained what happens!
18:42.07stewDukGalNa1u: its that simple for me with my acx
18:42.08bahamatHostile: sound works
18:42.21Hostilebahamat, my sound works without it running
18:42.26resiakkeenan: Define "throw things away"; which version of Debian?; which version of Gnome?; You hadn't when I started typing :)
18:42.39sandipHostile: multithreading
18:42.40DukGalNa1ustew: in either case when debian starts it trys to connect through wireless on 255.255.255.255
18:42.48Hostilesandip, multithreading??
18:42.50keenanlatest version of gnome in unstable
18:42.54sandipHostile: multiple apps using the sound card at the same time
18:42.54bahamat!tell keenan about doesn't work
18:42.56nomad_czI have got running distro on hda and now I want to move it to raid1 (hde -> hdg) so my question is: Will it work when I boot live cd, setup partitions and raid1 (mdadm), copy everything from hda to hde and install grub to hde and hdg ? Thanks.
18:43.05sandipHostile: one app not locking up the sound system
18:43.10keenani drag stuff to the trash and then when i look in it it's empty
18:43.11stewDukGalNa1u: what you just said doens't make sense, what is making you say that
18:43.12resiakkeenan: You know of course that Unstable is exactly that, don't you? Have you checked the BTS?
18:43.13Hostilesandip, well mine still does that
18:43.24mikoEulex: i typed: miko ALL=(ALL) ALL using visudo, is that what i was supposed to do?
18:43.25phorce1_nomad_cz: I'll be looking for a good howto after this. I seem to have built this one wrong. no easy way to recover.
18:43.27Hostilesandip, I started alsa and I still can only have one app accessing the sound card at a time
18:43.32bahamatkeenan: you probably set it to delete immediately
18:43.34mikoEulex: complex manual yet again, must learn english
18:43.34stewDukGalNa1u: when mine is far from the AP i have to drop the rate down manually to 22mb/s
18:43.38sandipHostile: some apps still use old OSS interface. just using alsa doesnt help
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18:43.44DukGalNa1ustew: it sayslooking for dhcp offer from 255.255.255.255
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18:43.49keenani set it to nothing of the sort!
18:43.50Eulexmiko, yes, if you want to give the user rights to do anything with sudo
18:43.52sandipHostile: e.g. xmms needs to be told to use alsa sometimes
18:45.10Hostilesandip, oh so its a waste for me to run alsa?
18:45.10ke6isfkeenan: Is it possible that you have...what, what bahamat said.
18:45.10ke6isfkeenan: Perhaps this is default behavior then?
18:45.10sandipHostile: not at all. Just see if the apps are alsa aware
18:45.10stewDukGalNa1u: ok, thats fine.  you need to make sure it actually gets connected to wireless before asking for a lease
18:45.10DukGalNa1ustew: and i have mine set to 11
18:45.10nomad_czphorce1_: I see. I find it rather difficult myself ;)
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18:45.10bahamatkeenan: maybe you symlinked ~/.Trash to /dev/null?
18:45.10lars^Which file defines which script there should be run on boot?
18:45.10stewDukGalNa1u: try setting channel to 1 / 6 / 11 and see if any of those get you connected
18:45.11mikoEulex: can user shutdown/reboot too now?
18:45.11musasabiIs the debian-installer netboot broken on alpha? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-alpha/current/images/netboot/ only contains the boot.img and no initrd and the image boots fine from tftp but dies complaining about the lack of root filesystem.
18:45.11Dizermusasabi: http://tinyurl.com/cc8tf
18:45.11DukGalNa1ustew: i will
18:45.11Eulexmiko, should be
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18:45.11mikoEulex: jeeehu
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18:45.16keenanbahamat: hmm, the files are still there in ~/.Trash, they just don't show up
18:45.29resiakkeenan: Have you checked the BTS_?
18:45.29DukGalNa1ustew: i can set that in interfaces right?
18:45.35phorce1_nomad_cz: I have the mirror, I just can't get it back on the primary drive. Going to try with a knoppix bootCD now
18:45.40Hostilesandip, it seems that amarok uses oss
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18:45.44DukGalNa1uwireless-channel 6?
18:45.45stewmusasabi: check http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer
18:45.46Hostilesandip, how do I make everything use alsa?
18:45.53sandipmiko: if you are dead sure about the security of your account, you can even use "miko ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
18:46.00pipelineRvGaTe: It's not as complicated as it seems.
18:46.03lars^Which file defines which script there should be run on boot?
18:46.08sandipmiko: however others will kill me for saying that :)
18:46.10stewDukGalNa1u: yes, wireless_channel ; wireless_essid... ; then after changing it /etc/init.d/networking restart
18:46.11resiaksandip: Do _not_ suggest that.
18:46.12RvGaTepipeline... now i get it, i thought xming was a linux app.... so i install a GUI on the debian server, then use xming (for windows) to remotely connect to it, using the x11 protocol? :)
18:46.16sandipsee? ;)
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18:46.18EulexDukGalNa1u, you could try setting it up with iwconfig before you start messing with the config files
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18:46.26resiaksandip: It is equivalent to running as root.
18:46.32sandipresiak: not it is not
18:46.32rbochanlars^: cat /etc/init.d/README
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18:46.38nomad_czphorce1_: I would love to have mirror ;)
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18:46.45sandipit is still better than running root
18:46.56DukGalNa1uEulex: i am more comfortable in the config files than i am with iwconfig
18:46.56pipelineRvGaTe: Yes.  You use "putty", an SSH client, to connect to the linux system and set up an encrypted tunnel.  You then use the X11 protocol through the tunnel to get a GUI from the linux system to the windows machine running XMing :)
18:47.03sandipyou still have to use sudo only when you need it
18:47.06resiaksandip: Barely.
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18:47.23Esajhmm, the only problem with thinkpads is they seem quite expensive
18:47.28pipelineRvGaTe: As you're on a LAN, you shouldn't actually need the tunnel, but it's easier to deal with than setting up the old-fashioned way to do things.
18:47.36pipelineEsaj: You can get a really nice X-series for about 1500$
18:47.47RvGaTepipeline: i was just about to ask if it was needed :P
18:47.48musasabistew: there appears to be nothing alpha specific there.
18:47.59pipelineEsaj: Don't be fooled by the low clock rates, the P-M performs like a motherfucker
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18:48.32DukGalNa1uEsaj: you can get an amd, acer, that should be able to handle linux, for only about $650
18:48.47nomad_czstew: pipeline : Will u help me ? ;) Nobody has answered so far ;)
18:48.51Esajpipeline: teehee :)
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18:49.03Draconicus!u
18:49.03dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
18:49.11lars^rbochan, its /etc/rc0.d right? all the script in that dir will be run on start
18:49.12Hostilesandip, ok, my brothers amarok uses alsa but mine uses OSS how can I make it use alsa?
18:49.18CyzarXpipeline, can u give elabore on this? ==> You then use the X11 protocol through the tunnel to get a GUI from the linux system to the windows machine running XMing :)
18:49.25RvGaTepipeline: does xming work on all GUI's for debian?
18:49.26EsajDukGalNa1u: thanks, I'll check it out
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18:49.41rbochanlars^: rc0 is for halt
18:49.46sandipHostile: umm. i dont even know what amarok is. but normally apps need to be compile with alsa support.
18:50.06rbochanlars^: rc6 is for reboot,  rc2-5 are customizable
18:50.10Esajpipeline: 1500$ new? or off ebay?
18:50.12Hostilesandip, ok thats what I thought, but how do I do that with debian
18:50.15Hostilesaying its packages
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18:51.46valdynHostile: why don't you simply configure amaroks sound output via its GUI?
18:51.46sandipif your brothers system has alsa libs installed, then you have to recompile amarok, this time adding alsa options in ./configure
18:51.46lars^rbochan, meaning if i place a script in rc6 and reboot the machine then the script will be run on start
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18:51.46sandipHostile: I am new to debian. I cant give you specifics about the debian way of doing that. I was only suggesting compiling it from source.
18:51.46pipelineEsaj: new.
18:51.46Hostilevaldyn, Im trying to do so...but for output plugin I dont have alsasink
18:51.46pipelineRvGaTe: Yup.
18:51.46abel_hi all, i try to format a usb flash key. But when i use fdisk and ask to add a partition , i have the following message : Warning: partition 1 has empty type when i try to print the partition with fdisk i have : Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):  phys=(0, 0, 0) logical=(0, 0, 1) etc ... any idea ?
18:51.46pipelineCyzarX: In a few minutes
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18:51.46sandipHostile: what is your brothers OS?
18:51.46CyzarXpipeline, alright
18:51.47Hostilegentoo...
18:51.47rbochanlars^: no, you _really_ need to read on the the init functions work
18:51.51valdynHostile: so you probably miss the appropriate gstreamer plugin, apt-get install 'gstreamer0.8-plugins'
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18:52.20RvGaTepipeline: so if i just install kde, i can imidiatly use xming, i've already forwarded the x11 prot.
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18:52.25pipelineRvGaTe: there aren't any non-X11 GUIs still in use.  There used to be, but not in the last ten years or so. (NeWS, mgr, etc)
18:52.25Tsunamihi all
18:52.32Tsunamisomeone may help me?
18:52.33dreameendo you guys know of any ftp client that can move files between dirs on a remote host?
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18:52.36sandipHostile: yeah, check out valdyns suggestion.
18:52.41beardy<PROTECTED>
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18:52.51RvGaTeTsunami: just ask
18:52.59Hostilevaldyn, thank you very much
18:53.02pipelineRvGaTe: If you install KDE, putty, and XMing, you just have to put in "localhost:<display number>" in the putty "tunnels" section and check the box that says "forward X11" and you'll be fine.
18:53.06ponchauff.. this mouse lives its own life... :( this damn thing only moves vertically. no matter what i do to gpm :/
18:53.27Tsunamii´m doing a research to build a new visual rad tool for linux
18:53.42ponchafound couple of related links on subj in google, but suggestions made there did not help
18:53.52Tsunamito build visual applications with gcc
18:54.10linlinevery time i add a new directory to my ~/public_html directory, the permissions do not get proplerly set and the directory comes up forbidden. How do i fix this?
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18:54.45sandiplinlin: this will happen if your webserver always runs on its id
18:54.47RvGaTepipeline: i think you are over-rating me, where do i put in: "localhost:<displaynumber>" etc etc... im not really good at this
18:54.54Tsunamii´m doing the research with 3 questions, if someone may answer i will thank you
18:55.01lars^beardy, where should i look after that? in man cron nothing there
18:55.04beardylinlin: By setting a propoer umask? read 'man chmod' ?
18:55.05valdynlinlin: fix the permissions of ~/.public_html?
18:55.11pipelineRvGaTe: when you start putty, you'll see the "putyt configuration window"
18:55.17RvGaTeyes
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18:55.36pipelineRvGaTe, CyzarX : connection -> SSH -> tunnels
18:55.38dystopianwhat questions Tsunami? just ask
18:55.40sandiplinlin: suexec?
18:56.01Tsunami1) Do you know Visual RAD tools for linux, like C Builder for windows?
18:56.02Tsunami2) If a tool like this was built, what do you want to see on it?
18:56.02Tsunami3) Would be usefull a tool like that?
18:56.17CyzarXpipeline, i use putty to control sun servers. but i hope as what u said jus tnow. can bring x-windows via putty into microsoft windows
18:56.21lars^beardy, i have a script in /root/start.sh which should be run when the computer starts.
18:56.23Tsunamianswer in pvt plz
18:56.25CyzarXpossilbe? what software do i need t use?
18:56.29dystopianoic. so they aren't really debian related questions...
18:56.49sandipCyzarx: check x.cygwin.org
18:56.49ponchaTsunami what about eclipse ?
18:56.57beardylars^: man 5 crontab
18:57.04Schiz0Tsugaru- Read the topic, /meg bots NOT people
18:57.07Schiz0msg*
18:57.10pipelineTsunami: glade and kylix ?
18:57.17Schiz0er, Tsunami *
18:57.29TsunamiSchiz0: yes?
18:58.07sandipCyzarx: sorry, check x.cygwin.com
18:58.08lars^beardy, so i would just place this in crontab: "@reboot /root/start.sh" am i right?
18:58.27TsunamiI´d like to build something like lazarus
18:58.36Tsunamior C Builder
18:58.40sandipCyzarx: you need a local X server to get remote GUI apps running
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18:59.02mikoWhat was the syntax to view your loaded modprobes
18:59.12Eulexmiko, lsmod
18:59.20CyzarXsandip, isnt that mean more work? :P does it compiled so it is easiwer, like apt-get install x.cywin ?
18:59.27ponchaanyone managed to make ms intellimouse explorer 4 move not only vertically? i'm loosing it here really :) tried every possible mousetypes with gpm already... maybe it needs additional params but hell how do i know ...
18:59.32sandipCyzarx: it is a windows app.
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18:59.54sandipCyzarx: was that what you were asking. i read putty and assumed you are talking of putty on windows
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18:59.55Schiz0Anyone ever use WINE to install M$ IE to get spyware on their linux box just to see what would happen?
19:00.03Eulexponcha, does it work in X?
19:00.13CyzarXsandip, yes putty
19:00.15ponchaEulex it cannot work in X as i use /dev/gpmdata :)
19:00.16mikoEulex: thanks now i remember
19:00.22Tsunamiwhat channel have this subject, RAD tools?
19:00.37sandipCyzarx: you are using putty on windows(coz there is a linux version too)
19:00.53CyzarXsandip, :O really?
19:00.55CyzarXwhat is that?
19:01.21sandipI am sorry. i was asking a question :). are you using putty on windows?
19:01.21beardylars^: Yes. If the script produces output, you probably want to redirect stdout and stderr to files, by adding for example this after the scripts name '1 >> /root/startscript.stdout 2 >> /root/startscript.stderr'
19:01.30Eulexponcha, oh... why not just use a native driver? I use gpm and a native X mouse driver without any problem at all
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19:02.56ponchaEulex then i (1) need to set it up separately and (2) it still  does not solve (if it will work in X) the console prob :)
19:02.56testii keep getting a: "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/mouse ... No such file or director."
19:02.56CyzarXsandip, yes, im using putty on windows
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19:03.08Eulexponcha, yeah, ok
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19:03.49dystopianSchiz0, there was an article about that very topic - spyware/viruses under wine on NewsForge
19:04.01sandipcyzarx: so just download the Cygwin X installer, select the xord package, and run it. it isnt trivial but you got to edit a bat file there to make it work.
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19:04.23sandipcyzarx: the alternative is buying an expensive X server for such an use
19:04.32CyzarXLoL
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19:04.51sesswhats the name of the config option in the kernel that builds the hostap_cs module?
19:04.57ponchaEulex btw switching mouse device to /dev/input/mice did not change anything in X
19:05.01sessI apparently need it ot get my rangelan DS card working
19:05.05Eulexponcha, heh, ok
19:05.12poncha:(
19:05.36lars^beardy, okay thanks
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19:06.11testii keep getting a: "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/mouse ... No such file or director."
19:06.25ponchai found a thread on some slackware forum talking about same prob... they suggested rmmod usbmouse , insmod usbhid... but here on debian without usbmouse kernel does not see the mouse at all :)
19:06.41mrwoodydoes anyone know any user friendly application that would allow me to print more than one picture in the same page?
19:06.45resiaktesti: /dev/input/mice !
19:06.48ponchathey claim on slack it solved the problem but this looked fishy...
19:06.56valdynponcha: modprobe mousedev
19:06.58mrwoodyI know that flphoto does that , but there is no debian package
19:07.06ponchavaldyn it's there too...
19:07.27mikook thanks for your help all, ill prolly be back soon to bother you some more:P
19:07.35ponchavaldyn i have mousedev usbcore usbmouse (and now usbhid which i hadn't have on before)
19:07.38testiresiak that's not a directory either
19:07.45resiaktesti: modprobe mousedev !
19:07.58ponchavaldyn the damn thing just moves only vertically :(
19:07.59fabiettohi at all... where i can find  debian precompiled (.deb) kernel sources 2.6.10?
19:08.01sandip'nite
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19:08.35valdynfabietto: http://packages.debian.org/ testing or sid.
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19:08.40ponchacorrection: right-left movement triggers vertical movement instead of horizontal... all the rest looks ok
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19:08.53testik got it.. thank you resiak
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19:09.50ponchavaldyn any idea(s) what may be wrong? (mouse is usb ms intellimouse explorer 4.0a)
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19:10.15AtulaI usually use securessh to get files....  I need to get some files from school.... I can't do that with just ssh can't I?
19:10.24ponchagpm is set (currently at least) to use device /dev/input/mice , with mousetype exps2 and repet_type ms3
19:10.25valdynponcha: can you test somewhere else if that mouse is broken?
19:10.37ponchavaldyn on same machine on winxp mouse is fine
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19:10.47Atulaputty?
19:10.54valdynponcha: does it work on X?
19:10.58ponchanope
19:11.17rabautzI try to get openvpn-client-conenction through my firewall. (iptables -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.13.12 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE). The DNS-Server for 192.168.13.12 is on outside, so port 53 udp is masqueraded the right way, but connection through 1194 udp for the openvpn doesn't work. The openvpn-configuration works from a not masqeraded machine, so the problem must be on the firewall-machine. :(
19:11.26resiaktesti: No porblme
19:11.27valdynponcha: stop gpm, then try if it works on X. Trying to use it w/ both at a time is somewhat problematic
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19:11.42valdyn!mouse 2.6
19:11.43dpkgsomebody said mouse 2.6 was see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199
19:12.05terrex!kernel
19:12.07dpkgLinux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12.2, prepatch: 2.6.13-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.13-rc2-git2, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc2-mm1
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19:12.28ponchavaldyn it does not work in X regardless if gpm is up or down :(
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19:12.49ponchavaldyn besides i wanna setup gpm and use /dev/gpmdata in X
19:12.54valdynponcha: how? not at all? not only vertically?
19:13.07ponchavaldyn not working = moves only vertically ...
19:13.42kaiowahi, how could i load an iso with qemu? allways i was making with qemu -200 -m cdrom *.iso, but now it always faild ,any help?
19:13.46ponchamaybe /dev/input/mice is wrong devie? (but then again, it does get events from it)
19:13.58resiakkaiowa: man qemu
19:13.59valdynponcha: not the wrong device.
19:13.59Whisky``How do i restart SSHD ?
19:14.05fabiettovaldyn: i'm not able to find kernel packages inside the page you suggested me... :-/
19:14.08stousetWould anyone have a clue as to why my network stack seems to be acting dog slow? Browsing websites, it takes about 15-20 seconds to make a connection to the site, and I get similar problems with pinging something (it even takes a disturbingly long time to resolve the hostname)
19:14.16resiakWhisky``: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
19:14.20stousetIt's not a problem with the pipe. Windows machine next to me is snappy.
19:14.31jimrabautz: does something have to connect to your machine from outside on port 1194?
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19:14.40valdynfabietto: then you are blind or unable to use it.
19:14.47valdynponcha: Make sure the mouse protocol is set to "ExplorerPS/2", as that is what the
19:14.49Whisky``thanks
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19:15.10valdynfabietto: search for 'kernel-source'
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19:15.35fabiettovaldyn; ok... the section is "base utilities
19:15.42rabautzjim: on 192.168.13.12? Or the firewall-machine? On the firewall-machine: Yes. But, it's the same if i take other ports (tried 1193,11194).
19:15.42ponchavaldyn in XF86Config-4 i have Protocol ImPS/2
19:16.01valdynponcha: use what's written above.
19:16.08ponchatrying..
19:16.54valdynfabietto: there's a search form, you don't need to care about sections.
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19:17.26fabiettovaldyn: you're right... excuse me for the stupid question! :-)
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19:17.38ponchavaldyn same behavior... (vertical movement only)
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19:17.43stousetArgh. Did anyone attempt to answer my last question?
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19:17.49stousetNetwork died right after I asked it.
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19:18.13stousetWould anyone have a clue as to why my network stack seems to be acting dog slow? Browsing websites, it takes about 15-20 seconds to make a connection to the site, and I get similar problems with pinging something (it even takes a disturbingly long time to resolve the hostname). It's not a problem with the pipe. Windows machine next to me is snappy.
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19:18.39ponchastouset maybe that is resolver problem actually ?
19:18.51stousetponcha: what resolver problem?
19:18.56spamalopedns
19:18.57spamalopeissues
19:19.00valdynponcha: that mouse type is what is recommended to be set for any mouse in a 2.6 kernel. No clue why its acting erratically now.
19:19.27stousetspamalope: Well, like I said, the machine next to me is running fine.
19:19.27jimrabautz: I'm nt sure, but it sounds like you have to forward that port in from your gateway to the inside machine
19:19.30daedalus_stouset: Try pinging an IP versus a hostname
19:19.48ponchavaldyn emm.. maybe i should try getting newer kernel? whats latest stable 2.6.x ? i have 2.6.6 here
19:20.02rabautzjim, ill try that :)
19:20.11stousetdaedalus_: Hm, works fine. Didn't think about that.
19:20.26stousetdaedalus_: Is there a large-scale DNS problem today?
19:20.35stousetOr just mine? :-)
19:20.44valdynponcha: 2.6.8 in sarge
19:21.10ponchaok, gonna try this :) thanks for your help
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19:21.18stousetSomeone else I know was having DNS issues yesterday.
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19:22.12ponchastouset i have a bit of a dns resolving trouble right now as well :) so you may be not the only one :)
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19:22.26mikook im back with my dumb questions...
19:22.29dystopianwb miko
19:22.34jimrabautz: because it sounds like a similar situation: what if you had a smtp server located inside your masq on one of the machines in your internal net... so if you wanted to expose that smtp server, you'd forward port 25 in
19:22.43karstenmiko: We're here with our dumb answers.
19:22.52ponchahehe
19:22.56rabautzjim, that won't work. Or, it may work but is not wanted and not necessary. I use udp-openvpn through my firewall at home with just masquerading 1194 to the outside.
19:23.05stousetponcha: Thanks for the pointer.
19:23.25rabautzjim, that is like nat'ed webbrowsing...
19:23.34mikoEulex: btw, i got two probs after rebooting, first i still cant reboot/shutdown as normal user:(, and xbindkeys didnt started up, need that symlink stuff again because xinitrc didnt work
19:23.50miko!troll
19:23.51dpkgtroll is probably a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html
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19:24.09jimrabautz: so what you're saying is that the machine inside starts the connection?
19:24.18rabautzYes jim
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19:24.46karstenmiko: Shutdown as normal user:  some desktops (GNOME/KDE) allow this.  'sudo shutdown' is the preferred command-line invocation.  'man sudo sudoers' for more info.
19:24.48jimbut is it more than one port, and the connection is started on just the one port?
19:25.00valdynmiko: acpid might already enable you to shutdown via your power button by just installing it ( if your box has acpi )
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19:25.08jimI'm not making that clear
19:25.15Eulexmiko, where in the xinitrc did you put it?
19:25.17jimwhat I mean is...
19:25.39jimbut does the established connection use more than one port, and the connection is started on just the one port?
19:25.53rabautzNo. the whole connection goes from random-port to 1194 on the server.
19:26.11mikoEulex: at the bottom
19:26.17jimok, is the server inside a nat?
19:26.28Eulexmiko, it should be put before the section where it does that panel=blah blah stuff
19:26.30mikokarsten: sudo manual was too hard for my newbie english skills, and im using xfce4.2
19:26.40mikoEulex: aha, oki doki
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19:28.04rabautzWith iptraf on the firewall-machine i can see, that the packed is masqeraded and sent. But it never reaches the vpn-server, which is directly on net (DSL, dynamic IP), while the firewall is s-dsl with router and fixed ips..
19:28.04karstenmiko: a line like 'miko ALL=(ALL) ALL' in /etc/sudoers will allow you to run privileged commands under your userID.  Assuming that's 'miko'.
19:28.10cddesjari just installed a package using aptitude (GRASS, which is a GIS program) and i am trying to locate the icon so that i place it on my panel...where would the icon be if this is .deb package that was installed using aptitude
19:28.10LozPrimeanyone know how I can force removal of a debian package which has post-uninstall errors and wont remove?
19:28.14rabautz(jim)
19:28.18Eulexmiko, and I dunno about your sudo problem... could you test if sudo actually works?
19:28.58poncha!ping
19:28.58dpkgpong
19:29.21Kylixen!ack
19:29.21dpkg*ACK* *ACK* *ACK*
19:29.24Kylixen!syn
19:29.24dpkgACK
19:29.28Kylixen!syn
19:29.28ke6isf!nak
19:29.29stouset!bots
19:29.29dpkgAll your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper.  Are we not men?  If you prick us, do we not bleed?  Err... oil anyway.
19:29.31zumbi!rst
19:29.31dpkgrumour has it, rst is the bitch
19:29.36Eulex!botabuse
19:29.36dpkglay off me you buggerererers!!11!
19:29.44cddesjari just installed a package using aptitude (GRASS, which is a GIS program) and i am trying to locate the icon so that i place it on my panel...where would the icon be if this is .deb package that was installed using aptitude
19:29.44nseHello everybody. I I'm having some troubles while trying to play videos in full screen mode. many frames droped. I'm sure the config of my pc is enough to do it (Pentium IV 1.7Ghz, 300 ram, onboard generic video card, savage) is there any thing i can do to go round this? do i need to reconfigure the drives of my video card? where to get them? is ther any test for me to do in order to know what i need?
19:29.49gvl2OK, anyone know mdadm options? I am now booted into knoppix on the system I am trying to fix. I'm using plain old IRC so I have to do a bit of window hopping to paste to #flood. Would someone be able to explain to me how to rebuild the data from /dev/hdb2 onto /dev/hda2 after seeing the output of mdadm --examine for both drives (hdb2 was the mirror for the old drive tha crashed -- hda2 is a new sarge install with the same partioning as old drive
19:29.55zumbi!debconf5
19:29.55dpkgdebconf5 is the 6th Debian conference which will take place from July 10th to July 17th in Helsinki, Finland. Visit http://www.debconf.org for more details
19:30.05karstennse: What's your X driver?
19:30.15terrexdefcon
19:30.16terrexxDD
19:30.26terrex!defcon
19:30.26jimgvl2: man mdadm would have all the options listed
19:30.31Eulexnse, what card and driver are you using?
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19:30.47karstennse: ...and if you run something like the gears screensaver, what's your FPS?
19:30.49timooh it starts tomorrow already
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19:31.14mikoEulex: hmm, but about that reboot/shutdown, my brain cant figure out this sudo stuff...really
19:31.24gvl2jim: I've been reading through it but am just "not getting it". Don't want to accidentally do something backwards and destroy the data on the backup drive
19:31.29karstennse: A good card will get you 100-200+ (/usr/lib/xscreensaver/gears -fps).
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19:31.47karstennse: ...Also minimize any other processing while doing video.
19:31.48stousetOh wow, Debconf5 starts tomorrow. So much for me going :-)
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19:32.30cddesjardoes anyone know where debian package icons are placed?
19:33.09stousetcddesjar: package icons?
19:33.14jimgvl2: "backup drive" is something of a contradiction :) back up its data onto something like tape, cds, dvd,
19:33.39cddesjarstouset: yeah. i installed a debian package via aptitude and i am trying to locate the icon that came with the package
19:33.42stewcddesjar: i would guess /usr/share/icons ; but dpkg -L pkgname <- should tell you what you want
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19:33.54Eulexmiko, can you use sudo? you use it like sudo command
19:33.54jimyou need to be able to safely play with it without worries in order to learn it
19:33.56nsekarsten, Eulex: this is my video card:  VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] - i did the config via dpkg-reconfigure, the cursor was by defalut on vesa, so vesa.
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19:34.15karstennse: vesa's unacellerated.
19:34.16ponchajim if you only need to get protection from hdd crash (physical damage) then mirror would probably be enough :)
19:34.20mikoEulex: so many options, what to type, manual dont help much since its complicated
19:34.23Eulexnse, vesa??? vesa ain't accelerated even for 2d
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19:34.56karstennse: that's your worst performance.  /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/ has readmes for various cards...
19:34.58ponchai mean raid mirror (raid1 ?)
19:34.59Eulexmiko, something like sudo nano /etc/passwd -- if you succeed to open that file, you know sudo is working
19:35.06ke6isfmiko: You construct your command as usual, but you prepend the entire assembly with 'sudo '.
19:35.07stewnse: did you try savage?
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19:35.37nsestew: yes i did, with some problems, crashing windows, and other craps
19:35.40gvl2jim: yep -- but unfortunately, not the case today. No play time. I got the new drive built with the right size RAID1 partition. Now I just need to figure out how to get both drives mounted again and move the data from old to new
19:35.48stew!s3
19:35.48dpkgTried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking  <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother.
19:35.57xbm-xman i got really bad news i had put windows on my laptop so my bro can use and lost debian its was the best linux :(
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19:36.05nsestew: any idea to any other drivers?
19:36.06mikoEulex: yeah but my goal is to get shutdown&reboot options available in xfce4 quit menu
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19:36.17nsekarsten: Eulex: so, what to do now?
19:36.21jimgvl2: so is this not a raid situation?
19:36.23ke6isfxbm-x: sucks to be you, dude.
19:36.26stewnse: nope, i know some s3 cards don't work with x4 you must use x3
19:36.33Eulexmiko, to get that to work, you need to have sudo working, cos it uses sudo
19:36.41stewxbm-x: are you sure its gone and just not requiring a reload of the bootloader?
19:36.55nseStealth-X: x3, x4? what is this?
19:37.01xbm-xi got scammed lost all my items and 2.9m on a game and im piss off
19:37.04stewnse: but i thought that was pre-savage cards that had that problem
19:37.06mikoEulex: ok sudo works, but how i bring those two together or something, should i edit some file?
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19:37.16Stealth-Xwtf
19:37.18Stealth-Xare you talkin
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19:37.20Stealth-Xing ahout
19:37.21stewnse: xfree86 version 3 / version 4
19:37.28stewStealth-X: he meant me
19:37.56xbm-xgosh i hate hackers omg i want them shut donw
19:38.15karstennse: You need a different driver, checking....
19:38.20gvl2jim: yes, it is a raid situation -- one screwed up by initial ignorance of software raid setup. Setup was primary drive with /boot outside RAID. + "/" set on RAID1 mirrored drive -- primary drive died -- no way to boot back into it.
19:38.20simonrvnFFS, it's just a game
19:38.24ke6isf!hacker
19:38.24dpkgmethinks hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html  Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiousity.
19:38.25Eulexmiko, should work then --  though I remember that it didn't work on 4.0.6 -- what version of xfce are you using?
19:38.27nseStealth-X: sorry !
19:38.34mikoEulex: 4.2.2
19:38.39Eulexmiko, ok
19:38.53Eulexmiko, then I dunno what's wrong
19:39.27mikoEulex: erm, it says im not on sudoers file, and i dunno whats the password
19:39.30karstennse: I'd try savage or s3.  I'm not finding any of your PCI bus scan identifiers in the READMEs in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/
19:39.34mikoEulex: guess i left something behind
19:39.34Stealth-Xhey guys
19:39.39Stealth-Xwhat is the best debian distro
19:39.39Stealth-X?
19:39.41karstennse: ...howver zgrep and google are yoru friends.
19:39.41jimhacking hackers that hack hackingly and hacklike...
19:39.44karsten!best
19:39.45dpkgbest for what? please define what you mean by "best"  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
19:39.45stewmiko: man sudoers ; man visudo
19:39.54stewStealth-X: sarge
19:40.00Stealth-Xsarge?
19:40.03Eulexmiko, the password is your own password
19:40.05Stealth-Xis that the name?
19:40.09karstenStealth-X: What do you want to do?  What's your experience?
19:40.09stewStealth-X: /msg dpkg install debian
19:40.18Stealth-Xjust web music
19:40.18mikostew: manual is too complicated for non-native english speaker, heh
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19:40.24jimthat factoid doesn't communicate
19:40.25EulexStealth-X, Debian 3.1 == Debian Sarge
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19:40.32Stealth-Xkk
19:40.34mikoEulex: ah, and hmm i put myself into sudoers file using visudo?
19:40.37bujinhi
19:40.43stewmiko: what is your native language?
19:40.49karstenmiko: Yes.
19:40.52mikostew: estonian
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19:41.06nsekarsten: ok.. i'll keep searching. thanks
19:41.16stewmiko: hrm, there are no manpages-ee, sorry
19:41.26ke6isfI wonder...
19:41.34mikomiko ALL=(ALL) ALL after root's stuff on visudo works?
19:41.39Eulexmiko, run visudo as root and add a line that looks like the one for root, but for your own user
19:41.41ke6isfmiko: What other languages can you deal with, or what is closest to estonian to you?
19:41.47Eulexmiko, yes
19:42.05karstenmiko: Yes.  As I told you.
19:42.14mikoke6isf: is ok i can understand english, but when things get really complicated it makes my head ache:D
19:42.17karstenmiko: Just do it.  Test it.  If it works, great, if it doesn't, ask.
19:42.25ke6isfmiko: Don't worry, it's an insane language.
19:42.27bujinim configurin the kernel... and i have a laptop toshiba satellite a75 s213 what kind of support i have to choose APM OR ACPI
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19:42.53bujinas power management
19:42.58mikoEulex: ok, i wrote myself in there, but how do i make commands available in that menu?
19:43.02ke6isfmiko: I'm thinking though that if you can get something that's linguistically closer to Estonian, it might work - but then, that might be like saying I can fluently speak pidgin because it has some english.
19:43.30ke6isfmiko: That is, it won't give you a head ache.
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19:43.39Eulexbujin, depends on what your laptop handles best... and why are you compiling a kernel?
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19:43.44karstenbujin: I think you want ACPI.  Stock Debian kernel includes both as modules.
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19:43.58bujinok
19:44.03Eulexmiko, menu? you mean root menu?
19:44.20bujincuz when i choose reboot it doenst work
19:44.29bujinit stays hang
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19:44.39ke6isf!doesn't work
19:44.39dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
19:45.00peaceyallim at the debian insytall screen from the netinst cd , what do i type so it install kernel 2.6 instead of 2.4
19:45.04bujinanyway you understood it :P
19:45.11mikoEulex: when i press "exit" or "quit" on xfce menu, there appears 3 choices, log off, reboot, shutdown. shutdown & reboot arent available
19:45.16stewpeaceyall: linux26 at the boot: prompt
19:45.19ke6isfpeaceyall: 'linux26', hit F3 I think.
19:45.23peaceyallok
19:45.24testianyone have a good guide for installing a microsoft intellimouse usb, either with a ps/2 adapter or directly to a usb?
19:45.24peaceyallthanx
19:45.30Eulexmiko, greyed out?
19:45.35mikoEulex: yep
19:45.36gvl2jim: so I rebuilt the boot drive on a new drive exactly the way the old one was -- with the mirror drive disconnected. Created a single drive RAID0 to hold "/". Then booted with a knoppix CD after plugging mirror back in. I can see both RADI drives now but need to cause the second drive (shows as /dev/sdb2) to overwrite the new drive.
19:45.58ke6isfbujin: Well, precisely where is it hanging?  I mean, what are you doing to reproduce the symptoms, and what are they?
19:46.07gvl2jim: hmmm they are identical. I wonder if dd -if=/dev/hdb2 of=/dev/hda2 would work <grin>
19:46.08Eulexmiko, I dunno, but maybe it works if you log out and log in?
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19:46.24valdynmiko: iirc that is a feature of your *dm, which one are you using?
19:46.24mikoEulex: i try
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19:46.30ke6isffurrywolf: eh?
19:46.32furrywolfI have a laptop with no cd-rom, floppy, or USB.  :)
19:46.33mikovaldyn: xdm
19:46.38lildudecanada
19:46.43furrywolf!rube goldberg install
19:46.43dpkg"Hi!  I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card.  I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
19:46.53xbm-x.names
19:47.02Eulexhaha
19:47.02valdynmiko: no idea how to setup that one, try gdm, has a config gui.
19:47.02mikovaldyn: is it possible that theres some allowance list somewhere maybe?
19:47.11ke6isffurrywolf: !!
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19:47.21Eulexvaldyn: xfce does that itself afaik, without help from the dm
19:47.24testianyone have a good guide for installing a microsoft intellimouse usb, either with a ps/2 adapter or directly to a usb?
19:47.26ke6isffurrywolf: Might I suggest toggling the bootstrap using the dip switches on the printer? =^_^=
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19:47.37valdynEulex: possibly.
19:48.08furrywolflol
19:48.24furrywolfgot the laptop for $1 at a garage sale
19:48.37Eulexmiko, a work-around would be to open a console and type in sudo reboot or sudo shutdown -hP now
19:48.38ke6isfA buck? What is it, a 386?
19:48.43stewdamn thats better than the external scsi enclosure i got for $2 today
19:48.45mo1991Can someone help me with a maxtor external 200 gig hd - the drive seems to have some type of errors on it - shows 188 gigs free space when it's really more like 20 gig free - I can see all of the data but seems to be loaded as a read only disk - can someone give me a good way to analyse / fix this external drive?
19:48.53nsekarsten: ok, i reconfigurated it with s3 now. do i have to restart x to the changes apply?
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19:49.13ke6isfmo1991: fsck?
19:49.16Eulexfurrywolf, maybe use netboot?
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19:49.21Eulexnse, yes
19:49.23karstennse: Yes.
19:49.24valdynmo1991: who the hell made you think that?
19:49.33karstennse: It's possible X won't run, FYI.  Just reverse the changes and restart again.
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19:49.47furrywolfextra-tiny panasonic subnotebook...  cf-m31.  pentium w/mmx 120mhz, 48mb ram, color display, 1.4gb hard drive.  working battery and power adapter.
19:49.48valdynmo1991: ops ignore, i misread.
19:49.56mo1991brb
19:50.16furrywolfcame with win95
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19:50.56pipelineRvGaTe, CyzarX : http://aijones2.iweb.bsu.edu/crashcourse/cc_putty-x11.png http://aijones2.iweb.bsu.edu/crashcourse/cc_xming-xlaunch.png should be semi-instructive..
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19:50.59Eulexfurrywolf, maybe use netboot?
19:51.06pipelinefurrywolf: Does the PCMCIA even work?
19:51.14nsekarsten, Eulex: logging out of the gnome session back to the gdm is restarting x ?
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19:51.29karstennse: No.
19:51.33PeterKhello there...
19:51.36simonrvnnse: not quite, no.
19:51.37karstennse: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
19:51.38furrywolfpipeline:  I'd guess it works.  it came with a combination ethernet/modem card in it.
19:51.50karstennse: ...or <ctrl><alt><backspace> (within X) to kill the X server
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19:52.16simonrvni should get to my new metis section. i have a lot to do
19:52.24karstennse: I'd also suggest trying this from console with 'startx' and a desktop _other_ than GNOME (eg:  twm) which will start up much faster.
19:52.29m0r3good afternoon
19:52.30pipelinefurrywolf: I meant under linux.  It's old enough that the PCMCIA bridge support could be iffy :|
19:52.44karstennse: What you want to do is try the gears xscreensaver or your video player and compare performance.
19:52.45furrywolfpipeline:  hrmm
19:52.46nsekarsten: simonrvn: so i'll kill it
19:52.48karstenm0r3: $LOCALTIME to you.
19:52.52nsekarsten: what's up with Gnome?
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19:52.56mikoEulex: i tried to make launcher to panel with command sudo shutdown -hP (tried "run on terminal" too) but didnt work
19:52.56furrywolfI already tried googling for info on the laptop on linux, couldn't find anything.
19:53.10mikoEulex: altho works in terminal window after entering pw
19:53.12ke6isfWhat can I expect when I do 'apt-get install kernel-image-$foo'?
19:53.23m0r3hi karten its hight now here in Brazil :>)
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19:53.32valdynke6isf: that is a joke?
19:53.45Kylixenke6isf: It will install a generic kernel just like the one that comes it but of the version you specify ....
19:53.48KylixenYou'll have to reboot
19:53.51Eulexmiko, hmm... btw, it should be sudo shutdown -hP now... maybe you could create a simple script that does that?
19:54.11mikoEulex: yep
19:54.12ke6isfKylixen: OK, thanks.  Any reconfigs I can expect to do, or does it deal with grub appropriately?
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19:54.26Kylixenke6isf: Nope, deb takes care of it all ;) Just watch the messages
19:54.30PeterKhello again...
19:54.32furrywolfthe win95 control panel simply lists it as "pcic or compatible"
19:54.41ke6isfKylixen: OK.
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19:55.40pipelinefurrywolf: it seems that the successor model, the 32, ran linux fine
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19:56.02pipelinefurrywolf: Also, the original was NT compatible, so odds are that it's linux compatible as well (NT never supported as much bizarro shite hardware)
19:56.19KylixenHas anybody else had any problems with CPAN returning some make issues? I've gotten make, gcc, and autoconf. Am I missing something?
19:56.20dystopianwhat is the deal with "R00000000T has landed!"
19:56.21furrywolfhopefully will run on this one too then...  this laptop is rather small.  only ones I've seen smaller are the newer transmeta ones.
19:56.28pipelinedystopian: IRC-ing as root is a bad idea.
19:56.35pipelinefurrywolf: There's always the comedy HP100 option.
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19:56.43Kylixendystopian: Someone logged in on a root account
19:56.44pipelinefurrywolf: They don't run linux, but there's a lot of third party software and they're /tiny/
19:56.54Kylixendystopian: This is highly unadvisable.
19:57.00Xytek^Can anyone tell me where I'd look for my soundcard drivers for linux?
19:57.01dystopianoh. well yeah.
19:57.09furrywolfwould make a nice little travel laptop...  put an 802.11b card in it...
19:57.11pipelineXytek^: 99.9% of the drivers you will ever use come with linux.
19:57.11EulexXytek^, in your kernel?
19:57.11Xytek^if they didnt come with the distro.
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19:57.18dystopianrun as user. su to root only as needed.
19:57.22pipelineXytek^: If they didn't come with the distribution, you're probably fucked.
19:57.23Kylixendystopian: It's like running telnet when you could run ssh, it's just silly.
19:57.23testithankx eulex, resiak and the others that helped... i got kde to work
19:57.29testihavce a good one
19:57.38Xytek^okay, well ill switch to my onboard soundcard then..
19:57.40nsekarsten: some thing close to 9 FPS, is this a good value?
19:57.41furrywolfonly problem is even if I scrunch my hands together, they're still wider than the keyboard.  :)
19:57.43pipelineKylixen, dystopian : Well, it's not merely silly so much as criminally stupid.
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19:57.53Xytek^my SB Audigy X-Gamer, didnt install.. :(
19:57.54resiaktung: Whee.
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19:57.56resiakterrex: Sorry
19:57.59resiakErm...
19:58.09goobitwhy does the xserver look recursively in folders in /root ?
19:58.10resiakt*: That wasn't meant for you. :)
19:58.11karstennse: Not particularly.  Try your video.  Try the savage driver as well.
19:58.12pipelineKylixen, dystopian : Quite a few irc clients have had security issues.  And they're not usually publicized. You could get rooted very easily by irc'ing as root.
19:58.14Kylixenpipeline: Indeed, but let's not exasperate the situation to frighten off the noobies.
19:58.24pipelineKylixen: Fear is an appropriate response.
19:58.26Eulexnse, you could also try running glxgears -- anything above a few hundred fps means that you've got 3d acceleration
19:58.30karstennse: The s3 driver is, I think, old.  There are docs, I've told you where, suggest you read 'em for the drivers in question.
19:58.35Kylixenpipleline: I understand, I am an intrusion analyst.
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19:58.50omihey all, I'm having an issue with sarge DI .I've used the floppy version for lack of scsi CDROM or ata controller. System : Dell poweredge 2200: 3 9.1 gig drives. When I try to create partitions (delete existing partitions and make new once), the results are not saved in the partition table.
19:58.57goobiti nuked /etc/X11/XF86Confi*  and tested with lsof.. and it does!
19:59.00dystopianI would never irc as root. that's just crazy.
19:59.00goobitwhy is this?
19:59.04omiI tried using cfdisk to delete partitions, same result
19:59.09Xytek^how do i get the sun-java package? anyone.. sory..
19:59.25goobitomi, that doesnt delete partitions at all
19:59.41pipelineXytek^: You probably want the "java-package" package from unstable, which will turn the ".bin" you download from Sun into a normal package.
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20:00.10omigoobit, well , it should make freespace (or so the partition table should say)
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20:00.22nsekarsten: but i do not restart x yet, 9 fps still the vesa value
20:00.28goobitomi, it just touches the partition table, not the partitions themselves..
20:00.31mikoEulex: kewl, all works on menu now
20:00.33omiyes
20:00.36Xytek^I'm really new.. lol so you just kind of confused me.. lol ill look around
20:00.40goobitomi, no
20:00.40omibut it doesn't even touch the partition table!
20:00.42mikoEulex: i had to type sudo password for the first time and then i got privileges
20:00.47omino changes to it are made
20:00.48karstennse: 9 fps is gawdawful slow.
20:00.56goobitomi, you have to reboot to see changes
20:00.57karstennse: Compare it to the values for other drivers, presuming they work.
20:01.01mikoEulex: ah btw ya remember syntax for synchronisizing clock? mine got little threwn ahead!
20:01.01omiI did
20:01.03omisame story
20:01.04dystopian9 fps is near frozen...
20:01.11goobitomi, and "write" and type "yes"
20:01.17karstennse: I'd also strongly recommend you google your 'lspci' output w/ "x configuration" as a keyword.
20:01.21Eulexmiko, ok... does it work to right-click and select quit?
20:01.22omigoobit, I know how to partition!
20:01.30mikoEulex: yep
20:01.34omiother systems did not have this issue, didn't even need to reboot
20:01.34mikoEulex: no more grey fields!
20:01.38goobitomi, i'm not saying whether or not you do
20:01.47goobitomi, try it again.. what cfdisk version?
20:01.58mikoEulex: i wish i could remember command for setting clock to right time...havent used linux for a long time
20:01.59nsekarsten: ok. i'll do this
20:01.59karsten!tell Xytek^ about install java
20:02.00omilet me go check
20:02.03Eulexmiko, man date
20:02.14karstenmiko: aptitude install ntpd
20:02.23karstenmiko: Install a network time daemon and use it.
20:02.46DizerHave a cron job to set the time based on the value of $RANDOM.
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20:03.17mikokarsten: ok
20:03.32karstenDizer: There's a package which does that, more suitable for dialup / periodically connected users.
20:04.05Dizerkarsten: There's a package that sets the time to some arbitrary value? Wow, Debian really does have everything.
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20:05.13karstenDizer: No, a package which periodically sets the time to a known timeserver's value, but not as frequently as ntpd does.
20:05.15mikokarsten: thanks, worked now i remembered
20:05.31omigoobit, 2.12
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20:05.47karstenDizer: I think ntp-simple, but thought there was another.
20:05.50goobitomi, i have 2.12p
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20:06.06goobitomi, maybe another partitiontable editor ..
20:06.11deadcat13:04 sepht [~sepht@adsl-69-104-6-171.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] requested CTCP
20:06.12stewsepht: don't do that
20:06.16omiwell, I get this from sarge DI
20:06.28deadcatsepht: you're a dead man mother fucker
20:06.35sepht??
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20:06.54omiI'm thinking there might be issues with the new /dev allocation (udev??)
20:07.15omiis it possible to disable and have the old style /dev entries?
20:07.18omiin DI
20:07.22dystopianwow. death threats and stuff
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20:07.33omilol
20:07.47omiI blame stray packets from EFnet
20:07.59btgarneror stray packeteers
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20:08.09RogueDopple:)
20:08.11omiThat too could be an issue :)
20:08.17goobitomi, what does it say when you try to write? maybe its another dev, you its the correct one?
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20:08.27koolmansam375hello
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20:08.36dystopianhey
20:08.41omiit doesn't have an issue with it, it gives the usual "Under dos 6 blah blah blah"
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20:09.03koolmansam375in what decade will the debian 3.2 come out?
20:09.16dystopianah sheesh.... whatever
20:09.19omigoobit, I've insatalled many systems , this is the first time I'm having an issue like this where partition table is not updated
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20:09.42buckykoollman_, it's out already... etch
20:09.43stewkoolmansam375: /msg dpkg wir ; /msg dpkg siyh
20:09.51goobitomi, i'm just saying its possible-- hey nobody's perfect ;-)..
20:09.52Eulexbucky, etch ain't out
20:10.00omiof course
20:10.02buckyyou can get etch
20:10.06goobitgoobit, what about the other tables for the other drives?
20:10.13koolmansam3753.2 stable
20:10.29Eulexbucky, etch ain't releaseed; it's testing and is evolving
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20:10.38dystopianprobably 1-2 years. something like that I'm guessing.
20:10.38karstenomi: There's a rescan command.  It's actually something to do with the kernel.
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20:11.00omiyeah I remember something like this
20:11.03Eulexbucky, and of course you can get etch -- but that doesn't mean it's released
20:11.18omior I could try to unload the module and load it again, but DI doesn't have rmmod
20:11.30stewomi: modprobe -r?
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20:11.31buckykoolmansam375, what are you going to do.. put it on your mac?
20:11.34TuxMeisterhey guys
20:11.40omiahh, my bad :)
20:11.41valdynomi: rmmod is deprecated anyway.
20:11.47stew(not that i have any idea what you are doing)
20:11.54koolmansam375no...
20:11.55TuxMeisteri'm lookin' for the i368 httperf package, can't find it in debian.org
20:11.58TuxMeisterany idea?
20:11.59koolmansam375i want to smash my mac
20:12.03omiDO IT
20:12.05Eulexvaldyn, deprecated?? what to use instead?
20:12.07stewTuxMeister: /msg dpkg search
20:12.07caphusoTuxMeister: it's not in sarge
20:12.12ke6isfWeirdness. Gonna have to look at named.
20:12.15buckykoolmansam375, wait for the intel mac
20:12.15koolmansam375you guys here are anti-gentoo right?
20:12.15valdynEulex: modprobe -r
20:12.22Eulexvaldyn, oh ok
20:12.22stewkoolmansam375: no, we are pro debian
20:12.31HydrantHello all... Is there a howto on compiling the Linux Kernel for Sarge?  I've never done this with an initrd image, and now I'm stuck....
20:12.32dystopiannot really ant- anything so much as pro debian.
20:12.33koolmansam375damn
20:12.42stewHydrant: /msg dpkg kp
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20:13.01TuxMeistercaphuso, i can't find it for i386
20:13.03stewHydrant: do you have a good reason to compile a kernel though?
20:13.14caphusoTuxMeister: you can't find it for anything
20:13.23buckykoolmansam375, #gentoo is anti-gentoo - they got rid of Daniel Robbins and he went to work for M$
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20:13.34omikarsten, if I'm not mistaken the scsireset comes in scsi-utils I didn't see a reference made to it
20:13.43dystopianhehehe
20:13.48pipelinebucky, koolmansam375 : Well, MS uses a lot of Gentoo systems internally.
20:13.53karstenomi: This is a partition table reread command...
20:14.05omiwell, it would do that :)
20:14.05stewthere is a rescan-scsi-bus.sh or something
20:14.07buckylol@pipeline
20:14.13ke6isfLovely, so gentoo is the new MS Linux.
20:14.19caphusoTuxMeister: it might re-enter into unstable at some unspecified point in the near future, but for now it's for all intents and purposes gone from debian
20:14.19pipelinebucky: Nothing funny about it.  I was perfectly serious.
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20:14.29omiredhat is M$ of linux common
20:14.30goobitf** anyone knows a site where i can understand what xchat color # references are refering to?
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20:14.38buckyemerge w2k3Office
20:14.41dystopiangentoo is just linux with a freebsd ports like system.
20:14.53karstenomi: IIRC caphuso or dondelelcaro mentioned it a couple days ago here.
20:14.54omiok, I'll try to remove the module and see if it comes up with something when I load it up brb
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20:14.59pipelinebucky, dystopian, ke6isf : Do you honestly think that Microsoft, with the largest CS research institution and largest software R&D dept. in the world, doesn't have gobs of linux systems to study?
20:15.08omithanks
20:15.12pipelinebucky: There was an interview with one of their linux guys somewhere a few weeks ago
20:15.13dystopianI'm sure they do.
20:15.20omiI'll be back shortly if my plan doesnt' work out
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20:15.23Hydrantstew: I must have the headers installed, and the directory /usr/src/linux pointing to something that matches with uname -a for VMWare to install..
20:15.25buckypipeline, they ripped off gpl code
20:15.32pipelinebucky: What? No.
20:15.45stewHydrant: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
20:15.56pipelinebucky: That's extremely unlikely.  Although it is true that the old NT4 / Windows 95 TCP/IP stack contained some BSD code.
20:16.08pipelinebucky: however, that's perfectly legal
20:16.13pipelinenothing "ripped off" about it
20:16.29stewHydrant: that will install headers for your running kernel into /usr/src and you can make the symlink
20:16.38koolmansam375i like that comment in the /. article
20:16.42mikoEulex: btw, how to use cd-writer on linux, never had one before
20:16.45dystopianthe bsd license allows that kind of thing.
20:16.46mikoEulex: any programs for it?
20:16.52mikoEulex: or anything you suggest...
20:16.59Eulexmiko, xcdroast/k3b/gnomebaker
20:16.59stewpipeline: these days ms employees are forbidden from looking at any opensource code that isn't owned by ms
20:17.03Hydrantstew: ok thanks, I'll try this...
20:17.11pipelineHydrant: I don't think vmware needs the symlink, it uses the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink which is created by the package system
20:17.15koolmansam375M$ would add "lmerge" and you type "lmerge office2k3" and wait 5 days while office compiles
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20:17.38valdynmiko: k3b is probably most popular, xcdroast is somewhat rusty already
20:17.45juliansTag zusammen
20:17.59mikovaldyn, Eulex thanks
20:18.08dystopiank3b is very useful. great program
20:18.13goobitwhat can i use to rip audio cd with a gui end ?
20:18.22dystopiank3b
20:18.25goobitdystopian, ok
20:18.30Eulexgoobit, define "rip"
20:18.34pipelinegoobit: gnome baker
20:18.37goobitEulex, to wave or ogg
20:18.42dystopiangnome baker is good too.
20:18.43mikovaldyn, Eulex: k3b is KDE application, it works under xfce?
20:18.44Eulexgoobit, abcde
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20:18.51pipelinemiko: Yes, but slowly
20:18.52goobitEulex, redbook -> file
20:18.54Eulexmiko, yes
20:19.02caphusonah, it just starts slowly
20:19.11pipelinemiko: The only penalty you get for running KDE apps under a non-KDE desktop is that they run more slowly and use more memory.  No big deal if you have enough RAM.
20:19.19goobitEulex, that a gui though abcde ?
20:19.24valdynmiko: yea sure, if you're looking for something that fits better into xfce try gnomebaker or graveman
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20:19.30goobitEulex, or are you kidding around?
20:19.36Eulexgoobit, abcde is a console app, but it is a really great one
20:19.58mikovaldyn: wich one is better?
20:19.58valdynmiko: both of which are quite new though and neither as mature nor as feature rich as k3b, but they're neat.
20:20.10juliansIam able to switch a procress to background while the runtime? (setting STD* to /dev/null .. u know?)
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20:20.19valdynmiko: whichever works for you
20:20.23mikovaldyn: i got 64 ram, so i need something cheap
20:20.46Eulexmiko, then at least don't run k3b
20:20.47valdynmiko: then i'd stay off k3b
20:21.07mikovaldyn: need something what works good under 64 ram, graveman, gnomebraker then?
20:21.07goobitEulex, to reduce transcoding and loss of format is dir2ogg safe?
20:21.27Eulexgoobit, never used whatever-that-is
20:21.41valdynmiko: worth a try, but maybe you're best off w/ plain cdrecord and/or cdrdao
20:21.44dystopianthis graveman program. how good is it? it looks like gnomebaker
20:21.49goobitEulex, don't mind front-ends to abcde ..
20:22.13mikovaldyn: cdrecord ok i try it
20:22.26valdynmiko: both are CLI tools.
20:22.49mikovaldyn: CLI was what? forgot
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20:23.03valdynmiko: command line interface
20:23.03stew!cli
20:23.03dpkgfrom memory, cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course  Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction  Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1
20:23.21Eulexgoobit, dir2ogg doesn't rip audio from an audio cd and encode it... and afaik, there's no gui front-end for abcde, but you don't need one
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20:24.50juliansany one know how long a kernel compile takes on 333 Mhz AMD k6 64 mb RAM?
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20:24.59DocPepperhi
20:24.59julians*G* iam waiting for hours now
20:25.03Eulexgoobit, you don't even need to rtfm to use abcde
20:25.04aliumalikI cannot install either kde or gnome from alioth...anyone else having problems?
20:25.11Blissexjulians: it takes way too long.
20:25.12mikovaldyn: hmm i need something with UI since my friend whos using it mostly cant figure out nothing about cli
20:25.21Eulexjulians, up to 4-5 hours depending on how much you include in the kernel
20:25.32Blissexjulians: the bottleneck is the memory...
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20:25.38valdynmiko: i would try both, gnomebaker and graveman. but 64 mb ram is low for almost anything..
20:25.52julians:/ damn .... next time i cross compiling it instead of the fu "debian way"
20:25.56juliansthx ^^
20:26.13mikovaldyn: mkay
20:26.24Blissexjulians: it pays to specify the most minimal number of drivers and options. Compiling everything is pretty painful.
20:26.25Eulexmiko, I wouldn't even recommend xfce with 64 mb ram -- rather icewm or fluxbox
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20:26.58julianshmm, why sarge comes with a bash 2 version instead of a basch 3 version :/ that suxx
20:27.14julianslol basch = bash
20:27.14valdyn!info bash sarge
20:27.16dpkgbash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section base, is required. Version: 2.05b-26 (sarge), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 1228 kB
20:27.19Blissexjulians: I hope the compile is taking place in the command line with no graphical environment and nothing else going on.
20:27.22valdyn!info bash3 sarge
20:27.24dpkgbash3: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell (Version 3)), section shells, is optional. Version: 3.0-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 662 kB, Installed size: 1200 kB
20:27.33valdynjulians: ^^^
20:27.37juliansBlissex X-server is running o.O
20:27.42yerif gpm works properly, but my mouse under X behaves erratically, would it be safe to assume that I can just tell X to use /dev/gpmdata instad of /dev/psaux ?
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20:28.14omiwhen you call modprobe -r it complains that rmmod not found
20:28.16juliansvaldyn thx
20:28.27julianswhois apt
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20:28.28goobitEulex, I KNOW HOW TO USE ABCDE!
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20:28.30julians:)
20:28.34Blissexjulians: if your kernel compile is hitting the disk heavily, you can kill it, get out of X and anything else, login at console, and restart it.
20:28.49DizerYeah. Cos that'll stop it hitting the disk.
20:28.50Blissexjulians: this _might_ help quite a bit.
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20:29.01Eulexgoobit, ok -- and you don't need to become upset
20:29.02goobitEulex, its a front end for someone-- what's wrong with a front end if I'm asking..i'm not afraid of the console at all..
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20:29.26juliansBlissex, thx .... i think i run it from commandline with distcc now
20:29.28Blissexjulians: also, you might want trying to compile with '-O1' instead of '-O2'
20:29.44Blissexjulians: why 'distcc'?
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20:29.48ilba7rwhich is better as ftp server proftpd or wu-ftpd?
20:29.55Eulexgoobit, afaik there is no front end for it -- at least not in debian -- if you really want one, go ahead and code it
20:30.04julians^^ i have 4 machines here :)
20:30.14yerafter shutting down X, gpm does not work untill I reboot. not restart the service, but reboot. why?
20:30.21yeranyone :(
20:30.29Xytek^Can anyone walk me through the install of J2e-package? I'm extremely new, this will probably explain how i install other programs as well..
20:30.35yercat /dev/psaux gets me stuff
20:30.39Eulex!doesn't work
20:30.39dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
20:31.09julians(iam not very familiar with compiler flags *G* ^^)
20:31.19yerdoes not move a cursor around, copy, paste, or deven display a cursor
20:31.23bryan_not_briani attempt to apt-get upgrade. there is an error unpacking xserver-xfree86. i have attempted googling to no avail. can anyone point me in a good direction?
20:31.24yerhows that
20:31.34goobitok, xchat users? there a way to know what refers for each enumerated color ? (#1 refers to what in preference settings?)
20:31.57resiakgoobit: #xchat?
20:31.59pipelineyer: I hate gpm :(
20:32.10pipelineyer: And your erratic psaux behaviour may be due to gpm
20:32.26pipelineyer: Try destroying gpm, preventing it from starting on boot, and using X normally
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20:32.44yerpiplline: I have turned off gpm with rccconf
20:32.45bucky!ro
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20:33.22Eulexbryan_not_brian, "an error" is not a good description of what happened
20:33.22bluefox83is there a way to get icewm to list the application that's using the most cpu and memory on the load meter?
20:33.37omiDoes anyone know how to reload partition table in DebInstaller?
20:34.10yerpipeline: let me reboot to get a clean start, I'm gonna kill a few services and run X without having gpm loaded at any point first
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20:34.43pipelineyer: That's what I just suggested
20:34.45goobitomi, i've tried..but unfortunately don't know if it rereads properly :(..
20:34.48goobitomi,  sorry.
20:35.13omiwhat's the commad though?
20:35.35yerpipeline: heh, I guess my eyes skipped over that line (damn xchat colors) great minds think alike, eh?
20:36.39juliansbitchx rules :)
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20:38.10ke6isfwow, kernel upgrade is extremely painless.  I like. =^^=
20:38.15buckyError: packet size 65535 is too large. Maximum is 65507 - is there a ping deb for debian that will allow oversize packets?
20:38.43omibucky, are you on gigabit network ?
20:38.50buckyno
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20:39.35exobyteI have a system with a com port (for a terminal).  If I attach a modem to it and the modem to another computer without a com port, how can I get terminal access?
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20:39.43ominormally packets will be broken off at 1500 +a bit around 40
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20:40.32yerexobyte: connect the two PCs with a null modem cable, and have a getty running on the 'server' pc that is listining on /dev/ttyS0
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20:41.10goobitwhere do i report religion hate crime for this chat server? apparently someone is spread jewish hate crime-- even though i'm not jewish-- i'm a steward for this type of misbehaviour..
20:41.23goobitpretty disgusting..
20:41.23bluefox83is there a reason why icewm would run via an ssh-agent ?
20:41.25exobyteyer: minor problem- one system is a laptop without a serial port
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20:42.06bluefox8313125 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/icewm-session
20:42.06bluefox8313126 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/icewm-session
20:42.19omigoobit, do you remember the command to reread partitions?
20:42.22bluefox83what are those? icewm shouldn't be running from an ssh session should it?
20:42.40yerexobyte: how about you just ssh to the box :P
20:42.52Kylixen*crosses fingers* What package do I need to install to get syst/time.h and all the other libraries i thought GCC came with?
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20:43.01goobitomi, i believe sfdisk might try to do it..but it didnt work and i had to reboot anyways..
20:43.02omilibc6-dev
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20:43.06idnargoobit: if you have a network issue, then #freenode is the place to ask, but I doubt someone is going to be banned from the network just for something they've said
20:43.07yerexobyte: get a rj11 to serial adapter
20:43.12exobyteyer: I can do that, but I might be network booting it and I don't know if I'll need to prod the bios at all
20:43.15Kylixenomi: Where does it install sys/time.h ?
20:43.24omi/usr/include ?
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20:43.27omior /usr/share
20:43.31Kylixenomi: Thanks ;)
20:43.31goobitidnar, they're childing and stupid but minorities should be made fun of..
20:43.32omigcc will pick it up
20:43.41omijust do apt-get install libc6-dev
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20:43.43goobitits not *plain* right, but sick..
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20:43.54Kylixenomi: got it. I was like "no time.h .... wtf mate"
20:44.05dafenwhen config kernel for my noew IBM t42, do I still need Pnp support?
20:44.12omiKylixen, no, gcc is just a compiler
20:44.13dafenI doubt if I have any plug&play devices
20:44.19omiyou need to install dev packages separately
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20:44.38yerpipeline: you still around?
20:44.45Kylixenomi: I was kinda figuring it woulda come with the stuff, ya know ;)
20:44.56yerpipeline: with gdm disabled my mouse still goes crazy on me
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20:45.02exobyteyer: I suppose.. I'm still lazy
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20:45.32goobithi
20:45.32bryan_not_brianokay. when i try to apt-get upgrade, it tries xserver-xfree86 first. it says it has an error processing the .deb file (--unpack), then there's something about trying to overwrite gtf, then that the subprocess paste is killed by signal (broken pipe), then that sub-process dpkg returned error code 1.
20:45.35bryan_not_brianany suggestions?
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20:45.47daedalus_Kylixen: most packages/libraries have a corresponding -dev package that includes the header files needed to compile things.
20:45.51goobitomi,
20:45.54goobitomi still there?
20:46.03exobyteyer: and cheap.. last time I used 3 wires instead of a really cable
20:46.25yerexobyte: the easiest way would probly be to get a machine with a serial port and a null modem cable
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20:46.41yerexobyte: and then use minicom or somthing to talk to the getty on the 'server' pc
20:46.44Kylixendaedalus_: Yea, I was sensing that was the paradigm, but for what ever reason I didn't see that -dev :(
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20:46.58exobyteyer: heh..  I'm lazy and cheap/screwed
20:47.04yerheh
20:47.14goobitwhy did #freenode still me voice?
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20:47.21goobitapparently i was just about to send this->
20:47.25goobitcan't there be a moderator for #Linuxpeople, apparently anti-semitic and homosexual remarks are the exploiting subject which has absolutely nothing to do with linux.. I'm there for help not for childish stupidity..neither does it have anything i'm jewish or gay-- There should at least be an operator there..or stupidity flows where people ask for help..
20:47.33goobitshame on #freenode..
20:47.43Shizz'lo
20:47.45daedalus_goobit: Nobody gets voice in #freenode for the first several minutes of joining
20:47.50exobyteyer: and changing a parallel port into a serial port in windows isn
20:47.55exobyteeasy
20:48.05yerwait
20:48.12ke6isfgoobit: Life is hard.
20:48.14goobiti'm there for linux help and bunch of freigan kiddies are filling the channels with dumbness
20:48.19goobitf** annoying..
20:48.22ShizzI've got a problem, when I try apt-get anything I get this error: dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory
20:48.24yeryou wanna talk to a nix box from a windows box via a serial cable?
20:48.24pipelinegoobit: Well, this isn't the channel to help you.
20:48.29Corpargoobit being gay and jewish at the same time ?, Wow you are really fucked up :P
20:48.32caphusogoobit: you're just as bad
20:48.33goobitpipeline, well i am a debian guy..
20:48.34yerexobyte: tits easy
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20:48.43bryan_not_brianyer, what's this about tits?
20:48.50ashamanhi all!
20:48.55Shizz'lo
20:48.55daedalus_goobit: Give it ten minutes. You'll get voice.
20:48.57yers/tits/its
20:48.57goobitcaphuso, haha..
20:49.08Withdrawif i compile my kernel to include my eth drivers as a module do i have to do anything after that to start it up?
20:49.13JJin2005Hi.
20:49.16bryan_not_briananybody have any ideas on where i can go for help on my aforementioned problem?
20:49.30exobyteyer: almost- I'm short a cable for it
20:49.31Shizzcan anyone help me?
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20:49.35ashamanI can't ping my lo device since my server isn't the dhcp server anymore
20:49.45JJin2005Im reading the user guide and It says to change video card conf on X, I must go to the Systems-> X on the control center on the gnome... but I can't find it... I'm loking around
20:49.47CorparShizz can i help u ?
20:49.49ShizzI've got a problem, when I try apt-get anything I get this error: dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory
20:49.53ashamanlo is configured fine and ifconfig -a shows lo with nice rx/tx packets
20:49.56yerexobyte: there really cheep
20:49.57caphusoShizz: dselect update
20:50.00yerexobyte: you can make one
20:50.02ShizzI'll try
20:50.05ashamanfirewall is completely open on this host
20:50.08goobitdaedalus_, ok
20:50.20daedalus_bryan_not_brian, Huh... what flavor are you running?
20:50.23Xytek^Can anyone help me with installing Java? please.. im really new to *nix.
20:50.29ke6isfashaman: lo should be 127.0.0.1.  Is it not?
20:50.32exobyteyer: I did before, bit you have to get all three wires on the right pin and that sucks
20:50.33bryan_not_brianlibranet. based on debian, from what i understand.
20:50.34ashamanand I still can't ping lo nor is samba working because of the loopback problem. Does anyone have got a hint for me?
20:50.40ke6isf!java
20:50.40ashamanke6isf, yes it is
20:50.40dpkga platform independent OO language.  Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive.  Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away
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20:50.44goobitdaedalus_, there should be an equation test like some vacation cards for the whole server-- to filter out nuts for intellects.. that would be nice..
20:50.50Shizzcaphuso, thanks ALOT
20:50.50Shizz:D
20:50.59daedalus_!tell xytek^ about install java
20:51.00Shizzit works now
20:51.10ke6isfashaman: what happens if you 'nmap localhost'?
20:51.14ShizzI only tried apt-get update, silly me
20:51.31ashamanke6isf oh in ifconfig the ip of lo isn't shown
20:51.39daedalus_goobit: Parse error, but I think I see what you're getting at.
20:51.59ashamanke6isf nmap was a good hint, just a second. haven't tried that yet
20:52.01bryan_not_briandaedalus_: i'm on libranet.
20:52.01goobitdaedalus_, i have an idea for a mailserver
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20:52.23daedalus_bryan_not_brian, woody, sarge, etch or sid?
20:52.25Virtual_debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde
20:52.25Virtual_debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7, <> line1.)
20:52.26JJin2005<PROTECTED>
20:52.29ashamanWARNING:  Could not determine what interface to route packets through to 127.0.0.1, changing ping scantype to
20:52.32Virtual_debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog
20:52.32Virtual_how can I fix that?
20:52.34ashamanpcap_open_live: ioctl: No such device
20:52.36caphusodaedalus_: libranet is a debian based distro, don't waste your  time
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20:52.52daedalus_caphuso: Doh. Thanks for clarifying
20:53.02bryan_not_briandaedalus, i said it a minute or three ago
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20:53.18caphusobryan_not_brian: ask libranet support, you're off topic in this channel
20:53.18bryan_not_brian"libranet. based on debian, from what i understand."
20:53.23resiak!drxx JJin2005
20:53.24dpkgJJin2005: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86   (as root)
20:53.25daedalus_bryan_not_brian, Sorry... didn't catch it. Can't help you here. We're debian only
20:53.30bryan_not_brianh'okay. #libranet?
20:53.32resiak!based on debian
20:53.32dpkgKnoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian.  Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it.  You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck.  Your best option is to join the channel for your distro.
20:53.37pipelinebryan_not_brian: Why not just install Debian?
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20:53.48JJin2005nevermind
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20:53.58JJin2005thanks
20:54.04bryan_not_brianpipeline: i'm newb. i was looking for simplish linucies, and libranet turned up on google.
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20:54.21pipelinebryan_not_brian: Eh, a monkey could install debian.  When in doubt, press enter.
20:54.39ke6isftell bryan_not_brian -about netinst
20:54.39wersI have a mounted NTFS partition that only root can read... how do i give a user access?
20:54.41bryan_not_briansee, they don't put stuff like that on the website.
20:54.44SuperJamhi
20:55.03ke6isfbryan_not_brian: You might find the netinst stuff I just req'd for you useful.  Read it and be enlightened.
20:55.04omigoobit, yeah
20:55.11oyebryan_not_brian, if you're newbie , why you don't start with knoppix live cd? that's why the live cd are for , for newbies.. whatever
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20:55.22ke6isf!knoppixsmite oye
20:55.24omigoobit,  tried sfdisk -R doesn't seem to be doing much
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20:55.42omiand if I reboot, I will not have any updates to the partition table as well
20:55.50goobitI have this cool idea for a mail server to filter out spam-> a mail message can only gone through after the sender has registered themselves to the receiving isp-- The method of authentication comes from the idea of signing on for webmail alike yahoo, in which you have to type the containing warped numbers and letters from a picture in the textbox.. is this a good trick for cutting out those mass mailers..I think it is..thinking o
20:55.50goobitf starting something..
20:55.51codexare the non-us mirrors broken?
20:55.54vicaruhi all
20:56.01daedalus_bryan_not_brian: THe thing is, the initial setup for all linux distros is going to be somewhat of a pain, and if it isn't, you're going to end up with something about as flexible as windows...  Dive in. It will be rewarding in the end.
20:56.03shingouzwers: add umask 022 into fstab
20:56.03goobitdam howd that get cut.
20:56.06bryan_not_brianegad guys. i'm on a terminal with like 80 columns, running epic. i can't catch all of this so fast. :)
20:56.21shingouzcodex: there is no non-us anymore. read /topic
20:56.24omiI'm so tempted to try the old woody install which I bet will install it fine (I used it to install that server like 3 years ago)
20:56.29bryan_not_briandaedalus_ - i'm okay with what i'm running presently.
20:56.30goobitsorry about that everyone, that f got truncated (unintentanal)
20:56.35pipelinebryan_not_brian: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso this is all you need.
20:56.37Dizerpipeline: http://tinyurl.com/cj9l7
20:56.43daedalus_bryan_not_brian: Aight
20:56.47goobitomi, still broked?
20:56.51bryan_not_brianpipeline - minimum requirements?
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20:56.59ashamanmy loopback device doesn't have an ip address assigned
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20:57.03ke6isfbryan_not_brian: A 386 with a network card.
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20:57.07pipelinebryan_not_brian: You really need 32M of RAM and a 486.
20:57.08omigoobit, yeah
20:57.10wersshingouz ; thanx
20:57.13pipelineke6isf: Network card is not required.
20:57.14*** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ
20:57.14ke6isfashaman: wtf...
20:57.18*** mode/#debian [+q Dizer!*@*] by caphuso
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20:57.26ashamanweird...how can that happen? i never had an address for auto lo in my /etc/network/interfaces
20:57.30Xytek^It says, Java-package not found, when i try to use apt-get install java-package im reading the post on debian-administration.org
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20:57.34goobitomi, aren't they all detected?
20:57.34pipelinebryan_not_brian: The "netinst" is misleadingly named.  It actually contains a bare minimum debian system that can function standalone.
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20:57.46wersshingouz .. em.. where as an option?
20:57.52omigoobit, the reason why I so want to get sarge intaller to work is to setup LVM, old installer doesn't let you do this
20:57.56bryan_not_brianuhm... how important is xserver-xfree86, anyway?
20:58.02ashamanfirst tólines of ifconfig: lo        Protokoll:Lokale Schleife
20:58.02ashaman<PROTECTED>
20:58.09pipelinebryan_not_brian: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html should be of some help
20:58.12omigoobit, nope, any changes to partition table are NOT RECOGNIZED
20:58.13ke6isfbryan_not_brian: You need it if you want a gui.
20:58.22bryan_not_brianhmm... well, it's kind of gone.
20:58.26goobitomi, to just one drive or for all of them?
20:58.27omieven after reboot, I feel like strangling someone
20:58.30omiall
20:58.40goobitomi, so you're obviously missing something..
20:58.45bryan_not_brianmy universal solution involves apt-get remove or dpkg --purge, then apt-get install.
20:58.57omino, it's either the kernel or DI
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20:59.05omior floppy flavour install is not tested well
20:59.15codexshingouz: I see... (it's weird I didnt find it in the 'news' section of debian.org..). Thanks
20:59.18Bogus8does debian have a tool like kudzu? I'm about to move the OS hd from one box to another... worked fine with fedora will it work ok in debian, should I make sure I have any packages installed first?
20:59.20omiI'm missing scsi cd drive so I cannot boot from cd, had to use floppies which I don't mind
20:59.27omibut I think there's difference
20:59.31ashamanit works
20:59.39goobitomi, so you're tring to boot from scsi?
20:59.45bryan_not_brianmeh. who needs a GUI anyway.
20:59.47bryan_not_brianbye everyone.
20:59.48ashamani did not change anything but restarted lo with ifdown and ifup
20:59.50omigoobit, no from floppy
20:59.51ashamanstill weird
20:59.53pipelineBogus8: well, kudzu is an option.  There's also discover and/or hotplug.  I like hotplug.
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21:00.02omigoobit, I have 3 9.1 gig drives in there but they need to be LVMed
21:00.03simonrvnbooting from scsi shouldn be any different than from an ide/ata drive...
21:00.10Bogus8pipeline: oh so kudzu will work on debian
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21:00.12omior MDed and then lvmed
21:00.15simonrvn+´t
21:00.32Bogus8pipeline: any reason for liking hotplug over the others?
21:00.33DukGalNa1uhelp, i still can't connect with a acx 111 wireless card
21:00.46kaiowawhat app could i use to rec for example how i develop an app? i have seen several demos with swf but i dont find anything about it
21:00.51omiI cannot boot from scsi since I don't have a bootable drive or cdrom
21:00.59goobitomi, you can't create LVM volumes with cfdisk, but only  LVM partition entries in the partition table
21:01.05daedalus_Bogus8: Kudzu appears to only exist in sid....
21:01.07omiI know that
21:01.15*** part/#debian caplink811_log (~caplink81@dsl-213-023-141-135.arcor-ip.net)
21:01.19simonrvnkudzu is a pos anyway
21:01.20omibut before even I can get to creating a partition, it is NOT SAVED
21:01.20Bogus8daedalus_: sid?
21:01.28simonrvn@sid
21:01.29ravenbirdfrom memory, sid is the unstable branch of debian. Sarge is testing and will become stable one day, to be replaced by a new testing branch. Woody is the current stable branch, or you can ask me about sid-cdimages, or the mean kid from toystory, or not unstable it's still in development, or "broken. Live with it". Sid will always be the codename for the unstable ...
21:01.29omiit tries to write something but on reboot nothing happens
21:01.32shingouzwers: as an option. man fstab offers some help
21:01.33goobitomi, you tried to create at least a dummy ext3 parttiion entry?
21:01.37omiyeah
21:01.38Xytek^E: Couldn't find package java-package
21:01.40Xytek^:(
21:01.43Bogus8simonrvn: worked on fedora well... swapped my server when the mobo died and it picked up right away
21:01.59omitried making partition with cfdisk as well, same story
21:02.01simonrvnpicked what upÉ
21:02.05simonrvner
21:02.06simonrvn?
21:02.08goobitomi, check the CHS that the kernel you use guesses
21:02.31goobitomi, maybe there's a miscommunication between the bios and the kernel..
21:02.34Bogus8simonrvn: the new mobo, new nic, new audio, new chipsets... you name it
21:02.42goobitomi, what kernel ver#?
21:02.46simonrvnanyway, back to work.
21:02.48omi2.4.27
21:02.50pipelineBogus8: It works. The others, not so much.
21:02.56omithe one that comes with DI
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21:02.59DukGalNa1uanyone here use wireless?
21:03.07omiI wonder are there 2.6 sarge install floppy?
21:03.09Bogus8pipeline: ok, I'll give it a go
21:03.14shingouz!tell DukGalNa1u about ask
21:03.16goobitDukGalNa1u, I know just a bit about wireless -- :)
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21:03.26shingouz!tell DukGalNa1u about polls
21:03.40Shizz[Noob-Question] How to stop Xserver?
21:03.41omibrb, I'll bring laptop closer to the server so don't have to run between :)
21:03.42shingouzoh how i hate that "anyone uses"
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21:03.53ashamanthank you all :)
21:03.57ashamanthx ke6isf
21:03.57DukGalNa1u...
21:04.00ashamancu
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21:04.22shingouzShizz: how about hitting "quit" on it? alt-ctrl-backspace works too
21:04.22goobitomi, y, try to use more matured kernels
21:04.26daedalus_Bogus8: If you have a full debian kernel, most hardware will get recognized, I think....
21:04.36daedalus_DukGalNa1u: Yes
21:04.42shingouzShizz: also you could stop your display manager
21:04.59Shizzerr shingouz quit can't work, since the reso is too high, can't see shit in X
21:05.03Bogus8daedalus_: cool thanks
21:05.04daedalus_DukGalNa1u: But you should ask a more pointed question
21:05.07DukGalNa1udaedalus_: tell me then please, i am having trouble with my wireless nic
21:05.20DukGalNa1udaedalus_: connecting to the router
21:05.39daedalus_DukGalNa1u: DOes your system recognize your nic?
21:05.44Eulexdaedalus_, in what way?
21:05.46DukGalNa1udaedalus_: wiconfig seems to have found the router
21:05.50DukGalNa1u<PROTECTED>
21:06.04DukGalNa1ui am gussing that that is the address
21:06.08goobitDukGalNa1u, you can set up the router first to no encryption and then try from there.. see if you can get an anonymous connection..
21:06.11daedalus_Eulex: ?
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21:06.28DukGalNa1ugoobit: that router has no encrytpion
21:06.34Eulexdaedalus_, sorry, was meant for DukGalNa1u
21:06.36DukGalNa1ugoobit: yet
21:06.42goobitDukGalNa1u, I guess you're doing a filter by mac?
21:06.43daedalus_Eulex: Figured.
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21:06.56shingouzShizz: ctrl-alt-F2 and get into a console. stop your display manager, /msg dpkg drxx
21:07.03DukGalNa1ugoobit: gilter by mac?
21:07.06EulexDukGalNa1u, what's the first line for your wireless nick in iwconfig?
21:07.10DukGalNa1u*filter
21:07.12daedalus_DukGalNa1u: Are you running a firewall?
21:07.17goobitDukGalNa1u, (my router can...just adds assurance)
21:07.41DukGalNa1udaedalus_: i think so
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21:08.00goobitDukGalNa1u, are they made in compliance to a spec-> 802.11b,a,g ?
21:08.08daedalus_DukGalNa1u: You may be blocking your dhcp port...
21:08.09DukGalNa1uyes
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21:08.27DukGalNa1udaedalus_: the router has firewall
21:08.27goobitDukGalNa1u, so both contain and should be connect negotiable..
21:08.33DukGalNa1udaedalus_: the comp doesn't
21:08.40daedalus_goobit: Have you ever found a wnic that isn't (and that someone with that level of experience would be able to get?)
21:08.46mcquaidwhen i compile pkgs from source it usually goes without issue, but kde applets seem to compile fine, but are inaccessible through the panel
21:09.00*** mode/#debian [+l 797] by debhelper
21:09.05mcquaidwhat do i have prefix do i have to pass configure for kde applets?
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21:09.18goobitdaedalus_, i'm assuming the router is one of those boxies
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21:09.28EulexDukGalNa1u, the first line for my wireless nic in iwconfig looks like 'eth1      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"aleXx"' -- how does it look for you?
21:09.29goobitdaedalus_, hopefully you're not firewalling your server
21:09.31mcquaider what prefex do i have configure for kde applets
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21:09.35Vibhutistew:
21:09.38Vibhutither
21:09.40mo1991What is the command to change the permissions of a folder and every file recursively in it?
21:09.43mcquaiddamn i'm tired
21:09.43goobitdaedalus_, i mean your wireless nic..
21:09.45daedalus_goobit: Firewall on the client
21:09.50mo1991to say 500
21:09.50DukGalNa1uEulex: i amm getting it right now
21:10.04goobitdaedalus_, well can't you turn it off?
21:10.07mo1991I thought it was chmod 500 foldername -R
21:10.07Vibhutiguys i have a probleni squid
21:10.10mo1991is this right?
21:10.18mo1991doesn't seem to be working
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21:10.21Vibhutithe time based acl is not working
21:10.27daedalus_mo1991: man chmod
21:10.40daedalus_mo1991: your order seems to be a bit off
21:10.47Vibhutii ahev restricted net access for a particular time interval
21:10.54Vibhutifor a range of ip's
21:11.10goobitmo1991, what's broked?
21:11.14Vibhutihowever it has blocked the rane permanently
21:11.18daedalus_goobit: well, yes, but if he's blocking it, that would be the source of his problems, no wouldn't it???
21:11.23Vibhutihow do i work it out
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21:11.39goobitdaedalus_, i'm not even sure if he knows what a client is :) *lol*
21:11.40mo1991daedalus your right worked now. needed -R first
21:11.57daedalus_mo1991: Np
21:12.01Vibhutistew:there
21:12.02maghi, I'm looking dc++ name package for debian
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21:12.07goobitmo1991, actually the order doesn't matter, but its a convenience in parlance
21:12.14Xytek^Can anyone tell me how I would go about installing Mozilla Firefox? or is there an apt-get for it?
21:12.15DukGalNa1uEulex:  the ieee thing is the same then ESSID:"NETGEAR" Nick: acx100 v0.2
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21:12.33omihey
21:12.51Vibhutigive apt-get  mozilla-firefox
21:12.57omigoobit, I think there may be an issue with my scsi cable
21:13.13Vibhutiit will automatically take the remaining dependencies and install
21:13.17DukGalNa1uomi: replace it
21:13.21omigoobit, cannot format partitions and other things
21:13.23goobitomi, try ultimatebootcd.org  or a diagnostics with one of its tools available (can also be run from disk)
21:13.32EulexDukGalNa1u, ok... that looks good -- does dhclient eth1 or whatever succees or fail?
21:13.56DukGalNa1uifup on wlan0 fails
21:13.56dk0r_Hi, Im new to the world of linux. Im looking to install debian on my ppc (powerbook g4 17" 1.5). Im reading through the following instructions http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html  but still am unsure of what files to get from here --> ( http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/  )
21:14.03Vibhutiguys problem in squid time acl
21:14.05omigoobit, but you know what I find weird? I did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/.................. disk and it worked
21:14.13dk0r_any help will be much appreciated
21:14.13omiI blanked all 3 drives
21:14.31goobitomi, http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
21:14.35omithere was only one bad block on a device that I found this way, but all writes succeeded, the partition tables are now blank
21:14.42EulexDukGalNa1u, run dhclient wlan0 and tell what it does/doesn't
21:14.49goobitomi, so run a diag then come back
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21:15.07goobitomi, i have no access to those scsi drives..you'll have to run diagnostics first..
21:15.12Vibhutisquid has problem in time acl
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21:15.15mo1991goobit - still not working - the command I give is chmod -R 770 mo1991
21:15.19mo1991mo199 is the folder
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21:15.26shingouzhmm.. a 486slc does not have a math copro?
21:15.39mo1991does not change the actual permissions - all files are still set to 500
21:15.44mcquaidcan anyone tell me how to compile kde applets properly in debian? they compile fine, it's just they are not available when i right click to add to panel
21:15.49dk0r_Hi, Im new to the world of linux. Im looking to install debian on a linux partition of my ppc (powerbook g4 17" 1.5). Im reading through the following instructions http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html  but still am unsure of what files to get from here --> ( http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/  )
21:15.56JJin2005why when I run a program in the gui, for example , a link to firefox, it always prompts me what do , run,display...
21:15.58mcquaidi believe i have to pass a prefix during configure?
21:15.58goobitmo1991, is this a mountpoint?
21:16.02dk0r_can anyone help ?
21:16.06*** join/#debian finja (~finja@d007199.adsl.hansenet.de)
21:16.09shingouzyou can stop repeating, we already heard that. try #debian-ppc
21:16.14dk0r_ty
21:16.24mo1991goobit, is what the mountpoint?  that folder?
21:16.26omigoobit, no cd rom drive :(
21:16.31goobitmo1991, what's the path?
21:16.37shingouzdk0r_: you should need only the netinstall cd for PowerPC
21:16.57goobitomi, I already said you can download those tools, even individually and just run the diagnostic you need (read above)
21:17.05mo1991goobit path is /e/home/mo1991
21:17.11dk0r_shingouz: command to run netinstall ?
21:17.17mo1991want to change the entire folder to have permissions by user mo1991
21:17.27mo1991set to 500 right now
21:17.31mo1991mo1991 is 700
21:17.32goobitmo1991, mount -s
21:17.54omiwhich test you want me to run
21:18.01mcquaidmo1991, i forget the cmd but why not just do it in konqueror or xfe?
21:18.05mo1991goobit did that, what does that do?
21:18.06mcquaidnautilus can't though
21:18.18DukGalNa1uEulex: it does the same thing as ifup wlan0
21:18.22goobitomi, you figure, I have no clue of your hardware..try any scsi, hard drive diag, mem diag..come on..
21:18.24shingouzdk0r_: read the install manual
21:18.27dk0r_shingouz: dhcp is disabled on my router
21:18.31goobitmo1991, I have no clue
21:18.37shingouzdk0r_: assign manually
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21:18.55dk0r_shingouz: idk the command to run netinstall yet alone assign it an ip
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21:19.27wershow do i connect to a windows-shared folder on the lan?
21:19.36EulexDukGalNa1u, ok, does it receive any DHCPACK? or does it just send out DHCPREQUEST's?
21:19.48Mamba7Steps??????
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21:19.50DukGalNa1ujust sends out dhcprequests
21:20.01DukGalNa1uEulex: just sends out dhcprequests
21:20.04lobomufashi
21:20.20putrefatohi
21:20.25goobitwers, if you want a simple a stable way you can use smbfs with /etc/fstab, for a temporary soln->nautilus and konqueror (smb://ipaddr)
21:20.26Mamba7Stepsdoes anyone tell me how to get to a brazilian channel, please?
21:20.32LaibschHow do I get an awesome looking desktop like that in http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/aero/ ? I did download the theme but that appears to be only part of it.  I want those round widgets.
21:20.34dk0r_"/join #brazilian"
21:20.37EulexDukGalNa1u, ok... then there's some config issue with your wireless nic
21:20.45DukGalNa1uEulex: ...
21:20.51wersgoobit thnx
21:20.52Mamba7Stepsthx
21:21.06DukGalNa1uEulex: ok, could you help with that? or do you not know much about wireless...
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21:21.21goobitLaibsch, go ascii
21:21.29EulexDukGalNa1u, does iwlist scanning show you your access point?
21:21.36DukGalNa1unothing
21:21.40DukGalNa1uEulex: nothing
21:21.46shingouzdk0r_: there is no "command to run netinstall" and you need to read up a bit more on the install in the first place. read the install manual before you start installing anything
21:21.47putrefatoAe Mamba !!
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21:21.50Mamba7Stepsae
21:21.55Laibschgoobit: I go ascii when it is necessary and beneficial but sometimes it is nice to have some eye candy.
21:21.56Mamba7Stepsputrevato
21:21.58EulexDukGalNa1u, have you disabled essid broadcasting in the router?
21:22.01Mamba7Stepstu ta onde irmao?
21:22.02putrefatoentra no canal #debian-pr
21:22.09Mamba7Stepsflw
21:22.12DukGalNa1uEulex: router is braodcasting
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21:22.24daedalus_Eulex: iwlist scanning doesn't work for all cards
21:22.26goobitDukGalNa1u, you sure there's no filter for the MAC ? check the router's settings..
21:22.37JJin2005anyone familiar with mono
21:22.39JJin2005?
21:22.40EulexDukGalNa1u, what mode does iwconfig think your card is in?
21:22.51shingouzJJin2005: how about ask some specific questions?
21:22.52DukGalNa1ugoobit: i am having a hard time accessing the router from the windows machine
21:22.58goobitJJin2005, that's MS-wanna be..get out! Mono=.NET
21:23.11DukGalNa1uEulex: what do you mean by mode?
21:23.11goobitDukGalNa1u, so what good is that?
21:23.31goobitDukGalNa1u, you said you have no encryptions and now you can't even verify that..what good is this?
21:23.33DukGalNa1ugoobit: not sure
21:23.38EulexDukGalNa1u, iwconfig prints "Mode:Managed" for me -- what does it do for you?
21:23.44goobitDukGalNa1u, then reset the router
21:23.53DukGalNa1ugoobit: i know becuase default is none...
21:24.02JJin2005anyone is familiar with the lic of mono"?
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21:24.10goobitDukGalNa1u, well then, what's your ip?
21:24.15putrefatols
21:24.19putrefatoopa voltei
21:24.21goobitDukGalNa1u, maybe i'll see if your router's free!
21:24.23dafenmy laptop always halt at where try to get network connection
21:24.28putrefatominha hd tá com erro
21:24.29Eulex!br
21:24.29dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:24.30dafensince there's no network connection
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21:24.35dafenhow can I speed up this waiting?
21:24.44DukGalNa1ugoobit: not sure
21:24.44putrefatook
21:24.50dafendebian kernel 2.6.8
21:24.54Vibhutidoes debian have indian irc channel
21:24.55DukGalNa1ugoobit: it has a couple levels of firewall
21:24.58goobitDukGalNa1u, thank you.. I see the router's settings from here :)
21:25.06DukGalNa1uummm
21:25.12DukGalNa1ugoobit: this is a different comp
21:25.17goobitDukGalNa1u, hmmm..let's see -- your windows has..hahaha
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21:25.34goobitDukGalNa1u, get out Windows guy, you're not even running debian..
21:25.48putrefatoMamba, I'm from SantMamba I am from Santos /SP
21:25.48DukGalNa1ugoobit: ....
21:25.56DukGalNa1ugoobit: how old are you?
21:25.57dk0r_shingazou: can u direct me to the install manual? ive read a number of manuals with no explicit directions
21:26.03Eulexgoobit, he could run iwconfig and AFAIK that doesn't exist on windows
21:26.19shingouzdk0r_: is is all on the debian website. www.debian.org
21:26.23goobitEulex, yes, but he's ** since he can't even verify his router's settings
21:26.31shingouz!tell dk0r_ about nicktab
21:26.43Vibhutiguys problem in squid acl
21:26.51EulexDukGalNa1u, you can usually access the router's settings by browsing to http://192.168.0.1/
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21:26.57Vibhutitimebasedacl is not working for a ip range
21:27.03goobitEulex, it might even be someone else's wireless AP he's attempting to access...
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21:27.18shingouz!tell dk0r_ about install guide
21:27.33goobitEulex, I can reach 5 AP in my neighboorhood..
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21:27.55DukGalNa1uEulex: i am problems with the username and password
21:28.03Eulexgoobit, true -- but how should we know? btw, why are you so against him?
21:28.06dk0r_thats cool shingouz  thanks!
21:28.08goobitDukGalNa1u, hit <> enter with nothing..
21:28.21gioelebI have a problem with postfix (postmap) and mysql-4.1
21:28.23goobitEulex, I'm not, this was the first thing I asked him
21:28.31EulexDukGalNa1u, default username on netgear routers is admin and the password is password
21:28.35gioeleb'postmap -q an_account@host.org mysql:the_mysql_file.cf' returns
21:28.36DukGalNa1uEulex: mode: Ad-Hoc
21:28.44gioelebpostmap: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client
21:28.47EulexDukGalNa1u, there's your error
21:29.11goobitEulex, duh.. because look above..the first thing I asked I repeated myself.. he's really a ***
21:29.51EulexDukGalNa1u, do iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed
21:29.56carnagei have a dilemma: i'm staying at my parents place for school this month but all my music is on this box at my appartment, how could i set it up so i could ssh into this box and get it to stream music of my choice to the the box at my parents?
21:29.59gioelebI enabled old_password in my.cnf but I still get the same error
21:30.16Eulexgoobit, define ***
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21:30.33goobitEulex, illiterate and ignorant
21:30.42goobitEulex, plain-point facile..
21:31.13Eulexgoobit, he doesn't know much about wireless networking, but he sure does follow my instructions
21:31.31goobitEulex, well he sure doesn't know how to check things unless repeated that's for sure..
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21:32.02goobitEulex, bet he has a dlink, and the password to those things is sometimes "" ..
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21:32.23goobitEulex, even that was hard for him *lol*
21:32.50Eulexgoobit, his essid was set to NETGEAR, so I think he has a netgear router, and then the username is admin and the password is password
21:33.06goobitEulex, I can read
21:33.07DukGalNa1uEulex: thank
21:33.10DukGalNa1uEulex: you
21:33.24goobitDukGalNa1u, didn't I say to check your router much much sooner?
21:33.30EulexDukGalNa1u, eh? works now?
21:33.34DukGalNa1uEulex: not yet
21:33.41DukGalNa1uEulex: but i am in the router now
21:33.47goobitfinalement!
21:33.49EulexDukGalNa1u, ok
21:33.56DukGalNa1uEulex: through the windows pc that is
21:34.40DukGalNa1uEulex: and i am working on putting the nick of the linux pc on the list of allowd thins
21:34.50goobitEulex, essid's can also be scanned..
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21:35.03EulexDukGalNa1u, have you tried doing iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed?
21:35.13DukGalNa1uits about to be done
21:35.26jimwhet thins shuld b allowd
21:35.30mo1991can someone help me mounting my external HD from fstab - I have the following line in fstab - /dev/sda1       /e              ext3    defaults        0       0
21:35.36DukGalNa1uEulex: i have someone on another irc channel and i am helping them from there
21:35.36mo1991works with a mount /e
21:35.42mo1991but doesn't load at boot
21:35.47goobitcarnage, if you want a simple a stable way you can use smbfs with /etc/fstab, for a temporary soln->nautilus and konqueror (smb://ipaddr)
21:35.49jimcause whet thins are gud t et
21:35.53omigoobit, hmm, seems my second drive was the issue, it was screwing up my scsi chain in some way
21:35.55omiwith just one drive attached the system installs :)
21:35.56EulexDukGalNa1u, you mean "being helped"?
21:36.13goobitomi, what did you use to diagnose it?
21:36.13DukGalNa1uEulex: yeah...
21:36.18mikoanyone knows how to install gtk theme on xfce?
21:36.23carnagegoobit: they aren't on the same network
21:36.25mikoeg. where was the destionation for gtkrc files
21:36.25shingouzmo1991: man fstab. how about a thing called 'auto' as an option?
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21:36.34goobitEulex, how relevant! *lol*
21:36.38goobithahahah
21:36.41DukGalNa1uEulex: in either case this poor guy is brand new to linux
21:36.42dune2khi :)
21:36.45goobitEulex, all that help for nothing!
21:36.51goobit*lol*
21:36.59phaethonwhat's the 'nice' way of changing the log-rotation behavior?
21:37.13goobitEulex, bet you he's not even using debian!
21:37.13Eulexgoobit, your attitude is not appreciated
21:37.29caphusophaethon: editing /etc/logrotate*
21:37.32DukGalNa1ugoobit: i am actually using ubuntu myself
21:37.41Eulexgoobit, should be the same on any distro that has iwconfig and dhclient
21:37.59DukGalNa1ugoobit: but the person that i am realaying this info to is using debian
21:38.04mo1991shingouz so my options should be defaults, auto?
21:38.13goobitDukGalNa1u, so you lied..sweet..
21:38.19omigoobit, no, I disconneted my two other drives
21:38.25DukGalNa1ugoobit: when did i lie?
21:38.26shingouzmo1991: it is all written into the manual already
21:38.30EulexDukGalNa1u, did you do iwconfig eth1 mode Managed?
21:38.35jharrisonis ftpd-ssl the only ftp server with tls/ssl support?
21:38.53omigoobit, that diognostic cd doesn't seem to have floppy boot
21:38.55DukGalNa1uEulex: i am waiting for the guy to get back to me on what it did
21:38.59dune2kcan anyone tell me how to find out which 'version' of debian i use? :x
21:39.00omiand most of the utils are windows based
21:39.06jimDukGalNa1u: and you're asking for him, and then replying to him? maybe better either have him join debian-user@lists.debian.org or come here
21:39.08shingouzunless i get a smoke right now at least one computer will exit through a window
21:39.08goobitomi, ->hold
21:39.30shingouzis it sunday already?
21:39.40dune2knot here ...
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21:39.49goobitomi, http://btmgr.webframe.org/
21:39.49mo1991shingouz, I am looking at the man file, I do not see an option for auto, only noauto which stops fs's from loading at boot?
21:39.49hruskenot yet.
21:39.57goobitomi, none of them are windows based
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21:40.02jimshingouz: then your substance habit has adversely affected your mind
21:40.07buckyin some parts of  the world it's sunday
21:40.07goobitomi, they use freedos
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21:40.13EulexDukGalNa1u, so you have done that? then do iwconfig to verify it has Mode:Managed, and then do iwconfig wlan0 essid ESSID (where ESSID is your essid)
21:40.27shingouzjim: my #debian habit has already done it. smoke break :p
21:40.36goobitomi, so you have a cd, without bios-2-cd-boot support?
21:41.10goobitEulex, wasn't NetGear scanned?
21:41.11DukGalNa1uEulex: essid is already configured, so i shouldn't need to report it each time i run iwconfig right?
21:41.23Eulexgoobit, nope, iwlist scanning found nothing
21:41.30EulexDukGalNa1u, true
21:41.37nvzmo1991: which man file?
21:41.44goobitdune2k, cat /etc/debian_version
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21:42.05EulexDukGalNa1u, now, if it says the correct essid and Mode:Managed when running iwconfig, run dhclient wlan0
21:42.06dune2khm
21:42.16nvzauto is an option in the mount manpage, and if you ask me its completly useless optiong
21:42.23goobitEulex, so if it didn't he should check it in the router's settings..
21:42.32goobitEulex, by default i'm not sure if its set.
21:42.51DukGalNa1ugoobit: i checked the router is broadcasting
21:42.54Eulexgoobit, the default essid of a netgear router is NETGEAR
21:42.55omigoobit, NO CDROM DRIVE
21:43.08goobitomi,
21:43.11goobitomi, relax
21:43.13Eulexomi, stop that if you don't wanna be kicked for flooding
21:43.18goobitomi, I DID SAY FLOPPY!
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21:43.30goobitomi, YOU DON'T NEED A CD DRIVE!
21:43.46omiwell it doesn't really matter since I found that my second drive was being naughty
21:43.51dune2kgoobit: that just tells me that i'm using testing/unstable...
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21:43.55dune2khm
21:44.03goobitomi, THOSE TOOLS are not WINDOWS BASED either! They can run off FreeDos disks.. (read above!)
21:44.22dune2ki need to find out whether i run woody or sarge
21:44.28goobitdune2k, it should tell you a version#
21:44.36Eulexdune2k, check /etc/apt/sources.list
21:44.40omisame thing :)
21:45.02nvzdune2k: cat /etc/debian_version
21:45.07dune2kah
21:45.13dune2kgoobit: thanks :D
21:45.15goobitdune2k, ah what?
21:45.20dune2kfound it :)
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21:45.30goobitnvz, he just is another illiterate..
21:45.34nvzdune2k: if your debian_version says testing/unstable, you are using neither sarge or woody
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21:45.38goobitnvz, told him the same
21:45.59goobitnvz, ok..
21:46.06DukGalNa1uEulex: dhclient didn't work
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21:46.58mikoanyone knows how to change cursors in xfce?
21:47.00goobitnvz, happen to know why X would look recursively down /root (lsof shows it eg: /root/baked_myXFconfigs/XF... )
21:47.05stousetThat's odd. What might cause X's "Sans" font to change?
21:47.10mikodownloaded some new cursor package and cant find where to put em
21:47.20dune2kanyway thanks for help :)
21:47.29DukGalNa1uEulex: in order to add a pc to the wirelss list i need a mac adress of the pc, where do i find that?
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21:47.37nvzgoobit: I havent the slightes clue what you are saying to me
21:48.03EulexDukGalNa1u, could you use the paster to paste the full output of iwconfig?
21:48.18DukGalNa1uEulex: not my comp..
21:48.20stousetMy font looks different than it used to, and I'd like the old one back :-)
21:48.26goobitnvz, X looks for an XF86Config* (* can be anything--> eg:/ I nuked all XF86Config* in /etc/X11 and had XF86Config-4_0 in /root/bakXF86/ )..
21:48.28EulexDukGalNa1u, ifconfig should show it as HWaddr (afaik)
21:48.43DukGalNa1uEulex: cool i will have him do that
21:48.53goobitnvz, I was pissed to find this out while trying to get X up--> found out that it was doing this when I spotted the file used with lsof
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21:49.26rabautzI use ethereal. Where/when sniffs it? If i can see an outgoing package there, is it out? Or will it have to pass fw-rules later?
21:49.53goobitnvz, still there?
21:49.57DukGalNa1uEulex: although he said that dhcclient (as opposed to ifup wlan0) gave him some sort of a sleep error
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21:50.14goobitnvz, it's a bitch if you know what I mean I thought X only looks in /etc/X11 ..
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21:50.26goobitnvz, if this is the case..then I'm surprised..
21:50.28EulexDukGalNa1u, I dunno
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21:50.59goobitanyone else know about this? or is this a newly found bug I discovered by fluky chance?
21:51.08DukGalNa1uEulex: in either case, how long will you be here? cause he had to go to the library
21:51.25DukGalNa1uEulex: so i may need to contact you in an hour or so
21:51.32goobitDukGalNa1u, and make pipi ? (*Lol*).. you can ask me..i can see what i can do..
21:51.37Whisky_checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
21:51.37Whisky_See `config.log' for more details.
21:51.43EulexDukGalNa1u, only ~0.5h, I feel that I have to go to bed
21:51.46Eulexsoon
21:51.46goobitDukGalNa1u, you sure its NetGear for the essid?
21:51.47stew!faq Whisky_
21:51.48dpkgWhisky_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
21:51.52quitttis KDE 4 out?
21:51.52Whisky_I get that while compiling eggdrop. What C compiler should i install ?
21:51.57DukGalNa1ugoobit: yes
21:51.59stew!wayc Whisky_
21:52.00dpkgWhisky_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?
21:52.10Whisky_dpkg: I AM using apt-get -_-
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21:52.17goobitDukGalNa1u, that's what it says in the router? (it may be case sensitive
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21:52.27Whisky_oh yeah
21:52.30LaibschWhat is the debian way to handle themes such as GTK themes?  Put them somewhere in $HOME or somewhere else?  Make a deb out of them?
21:52.31Whisky_why not just do apt-get install eggdrop
21:52.32Whisky_genius!
21:52.33Whisky_wait
21:52.35DukGalNa1ugoobit: it says NETGEAR in the router
21:52.44DukGalNa1uand i am trying to connect to NETGEAR
21:52.45goobitDukGalNa1u, so you using "NETGEAR" all caps?
21:52.47gioelebquittt: kde4 is not going to be ready for another 6 or more month
21:52.51goobitDukGalNa1u, ok..
21:52.53DukGalNa1ugoobit: YES
21:53.05goobitDukGalNa1u, relax.. relax..anyone can make a mistake..
21:53.17stousetC'mon, someone has to know what's responsible for determining what X's "Sans" font actually points to.
21:53.20DukGalNa1ugoobit: i know
21:53.29EulexLaibsch, put it in ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes
21:53.40DukGalNa1ugoobit: its just that that much i know how to do
21:53.40LaibschEulex: Thanks
21:53.50jimsometimes helpers have to make sure of things... sometimes a LOT of times before finding out what'
21:53.53omryhow can I tell which process is listening on a specific port?
21:53.55jims really going on
21:54.03stewomry: /msg dpkg open ports
21:54.19goobitDukGalNa1u, yes DukGalNa1u , no offense, but its good to verifiy, even a space or hidden ctrl-symbol is not always apparent..
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21:54.23Stereohello
21:54.33jimhello hello
21:54.39goobitDukGalNa1u, and is necessary two times..
21:54.39StereoI'm getting some weird behaviour from tar - the .tar is taking far less space
21:54.42jimone was left side
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21:54.56goobitomry, netstat -plutn
21:55.03Stereoso, uh
21:55.04Stereo> du -sh Mail-old
21:55.06Stereo1.7M
21:55.10Whisky_ok apt-get install eggdrop still needs compiling eggdrop
21:55.11Whisky_checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
21:55.18Whisky_it fails when i do ./configure. What do i need ?
21:55.18stew!faq Whisky_
21:55.19dpkgWhisky_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
21:55.22DukGalNa1ugoobit: in either case, i can't continue untill he gets back to his comp
21:55.26Stereodu -h Mail-old.tar
21:55.27jimStereo: how did you make the tar?
21:55.28Stereo752K
21:55.29omrystew, goobit, thanks.
21:55.41goobitDukGalNa1u, don't you have access? I mean you know more than him..
21:55.47Stereojim: tar -cf Mail-old.tar Mail-old
21:55.53Stereono compression or anything
21:55.55goobitDukGalNa1u, the hell with him..just go over and start doing it..
21:56.01goobitDukGalNa1u, don't be a pussy..
21:56.05DukGalNa1ugoobit: access but little resources
21:56.09jimStereo: file Mail-old.tar
21:56.10Whisky_stew: I dont find the answer to my problem there.
21:56.11Stereothe file system is xfs, maybe it keeps a lot of metadata per file
21:56.23stewWhisky_: first think in section 3
21:56.26StereoMail-old.tar: POSIX tar archive
21:56.26Whisky_found
21:56.27Whisky_:D
21:56.29stew^think^thing
21:56.33carnagecan you control xmms from the console?
21:56.33eguzkiasomeone know DVD2DiVX3Pass
21:56.41Stereoand
21:56.41DukGalNa1ugoobit: and don't talk like a tnine year old
21:56.44Stereotar --compare --file=Mail-old.tar Mail-old/
21:56.48Stereoproduces no output
21:56.58stewcarnage: iirc there was a plugin called xmms-shell? maybe?
21:56.59DukGalNa1u*nin
21:57.00goobitDukGalNa1u, fine, you want my help..forget it..I'm here to help you..
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21:57.14stew!info xmms-shell
21:57.21dpkgxmms-shell: (XMMS Shell - Interface to control XMMS from the Console), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 98 kB, Installed size: 356 kB
21:57.25DukGalNa1ugoobit: i just don't want help from someone calling me a pussy
21:57.31goobitDukGalNa1u, ok then..
21:57.32DukGalNa1ugoobit: you understand?
21:58.03goobitDukGalNa1u, I don't wish to repeat myself.. but is that a friend? locking you out of his pc when your helping him? does he actually push you around like this?
21:58.10stewDukGalNa1u: goobit use /ignore please
21:58.15Eulexgoobit, as said before, your attitude is not appreciated
21:58.28likitest
21:58.31DukGalNa1ugoobit: he is not in the same room or house for that matter
21:58.39jimDukGalNa1u: maybe you should charge him for the help
21:58.43goobitDukGalNa1u, ok ok..
21:59.10DukGalNa1ujim: why??
21:59.20goobitstew, relax..
21:59.52jimDukGalNa1u: why isn't he here in this channel?
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22:00.01goobitnvz, did you try X?
22:00.04DukGalNa1ustew: then we would only be blindly attacking eachother... :P
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22:00.11*** part/#debian BeS (foobar@p54A1FDE1.dip.t-dialin.net)
22:00.31DukGalNa1ujim: because it would be difficult for him to keep up
22:00.33goobitnvz, is this an intentional thing, came back yet?
22:00.44*** join/#debian kuki (kuki@as-01-ppp-193-218.dialup.blic.net)
22:00.57DukGalNa1ujim: and i can give himmore specific NOOB answers when needed
22:01.01*** part/#debian zOrK (~eclipse@200.90.177.105)
22:01.12kukihallo
22:01.22jimDukGalNa1u: so you're an intelligence level middleman
22:01.26DukGalNa1ujim: and i can leave instructions for him as he is running between his computers
22:01.38goobitDukGalNa1u, set up a dial gate! :)
22:01.40DukGalNa1ujim: ummm.... i guess so
22:01.49DukGalNa1udial gat?
22:01.53DukGalNa1u*gate
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22:02.23goobitDukGalNa1u, setup a little isp for your house, so he can connect directly here, and then.. you can charge him for it! :)
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22:02.50goobitDukGalNa1u, and that's a joke.. but dam it.. why not? if you're a genious and lazy guy like me :)
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22:03.02jimDukGalNa1u: so you've committed yourself to supporting him... created a codependence relation between you...
22:03.02DukGalNa1ugoobit: how could i do that?
22:03.08goobitDukGalNa1u, genious pays off :)
22:03.15Atulathere's a group call "nogroup" and a user call "nobody".... I deleted them... is that okay?
22:03.17stew!spell genious
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22:03.18dpkgno binary found.
22:03.22Fish-FaceHow does one find out the date a certain package was installed? <if this info is available>
22:03.23DukGalNa1ujim: no, i just wan't to help him until he can get on his feet
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22:03.34EulexAtula, no, they're needed in some situations
22:03.37Atulaand now... my ftp is giving me 500 OOPS child died error... what's the deal?
22:03.38DukGalNa1ujim: he is already learning fast and may very soo surpass me
22:03.39jimgoobit: ekspeshiouly af yue kan spel genious!!
22:03.43goobitstew, blah another american spelling..I prefer British
22:03.56AtulaEulex: I kind of deleted them. now what?
22:04.00goobitjim, stew  I bet you're both american..
22:04.15DukGalNa1ugoobit: do you know how to setup a dial gate?
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22:04.18goobitjim, stew learn English.. I don't care on American English standards.. :)
22:04.28EulexAtula, there should be apackage you can dpkg-reconfigure to add them again -- though I don't remember the package name
22:04.29AtulaEulex: I did not delete nogroup... but I deleted nobody
22:04.36goobitDukGalNa1u, well its a little more trickier..
22:04.37jimyou don't seem to care about a lot of things :)
22:04.46EulexAtula, nobody is needed for ftp
22:04.46goobitDukGalNa1u, but there are walkthroughs (tldp.org)..
22:04.48DukGalNa1ugoobit: sounds like fun
22:04.52Atulaoh
22:04.53AtulaI see
22:04.57Atulano wonder
22:05.21jimDukGalNa1u: I'd say either charge him for service or tell him to come here
22:05.44stewgoobit: grep -c  "\bgenious\b" /usr/share/dict/british-english-large -> 0
22:05.55DukGalNa1ujim: you guys don't charge, why should I?
22:06.00DukGalNa1u:P
22:06.01goobitjim, i'd say correct your spelling and charge you for correcting your miscoloring misspellings !
22:06.33Whisky_eggdrop isnt detecting TCL on my system. What should I do ?
22:06.33DukGalNa1ugoobit: his spelling is correct
22:06.34jimgoing thru a middleman to help is stupid and inefficient... going thru a middleman to help on irc is just kinda insane, and not a good use of the vertical bandwidth
22:06.41goobitDukGalNa1u, you might be able to pull one up in 15 minutes..
22:06.59goobitjim, since when did you become so smart?
22:06.59DukGalNa1ugoobit: that would be cool
22:07.02AtulaI deleted the nobody user.... can someone tell me how to get it back?
22:07.04EulexAtula, dpkg-reconfigure base-passwd?
22:07.04baroniHi all. The 'famd' has eating all my cpu - it starts sometimes and never end.. Does anybody knows what can be that?
22:07.12goobitDukGalNa1u, now who's the "genius" now?
22:07.13DukGalNa1ugoobit: my bandwidth would only allow for a dialup connecio though
22:07.14Atulahaha thanks
22:07.16tarzeaufox__: fox_1_ ?
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22:07.30DukGalNa1ugoobit: and only about 8 or 9
22:07.32jimgoobit: oh, so you -do- know the correct spelling :)
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22:07.48EulexAtula, that did it?
22:07.50goobitDukGalNa1u, what's your connection? you referring to the fact that you have dialup isp account?
22:08.01Whisky_Help. eggdrop isnt detecting TCL on my system. What should I do ?
22:08.04AtulaEulex: apt-get upgrade
22:08.09Atulathat did it
22:08.10goobitjim, i couldn't care lesss
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22:08.19laurentdsd
22:08.24DukGalNa1ujim: its the best answer considering the situation, trust me, plus i can call him to give him even better specifics
22:08.27stewWhisky_: what version of debian are you running
22:08.29jimgoobit: which makes me wonder about your motivation
22:08.36Whisky_stew: 3.1 sarge
22:08.50EulexAtula, ok, then it upgraded the package you needed to dpkg-reconfigure -- I think it was base-passwd or base-config
22:08.51stewWhisky_: apt-get install eggdrop ; that will install tcl8.4 as well
22:08.52jimDukGalNa1u: why are you making him depend on you like that?
22:08.56Xytek^How can I add more resolutions to KDE, as i Didnt do it during the setup, can anyone please tell me.. I'm extremely new. this is like my 2nd day on linux..
22:09.06AtulaEulex: base-passwd
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22:09.11stew!depends eggdrop
22:09.13goobitDukGalNa1u, if you have a dialup isp, it's pretty yucky..
22:09.14dpkgeggdrop: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), tcl8.4 (>= 8.4.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), eggdrop-data (= 1.6.17-3)
22:09.14Whisky_stew: i did install tcl8.4 and tk8.4
22:09.28EulexAtula, ok
22:09.40DukGalNa1uno i have dsl
22:09.42Whisky_tcl8.4 is already the newest version.
22:09.42goobitDukGalNa1u, or if by chance with your isp, you also have 10 hours priviledge with a dialup account, you can simplify it by lending it to him..
22:09.46goobitDukGalNa1u, listening?
22:09.47Whisky_tk8.4 is already the newest version.
22:09.51jimXytek^: you don't add resolutions to kde, you add them to X
22:09.51Eulex!drxx Xytek^
22:09.52dpkgXytek^: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86   (as root)
22:09.53stewWhisky_: you get an error when you run /usr/bin/eggdrop ?
22:09.55DukGalNa1ugoobit: but my bandwidth wouldn't allow for something too big
22:10.05goobitDukGalNa1u, who's your isp?
22:10.12*** part/#debian Laibsch (~Laibsch@G080a.g.pppool.de)
22:10.14Xytek^Thanks guys.
22:10.15DukGalNa1ugoobit: sbc
22:10.18sean_mickeni'm currently running stable -- would it be okay to use the XFCE packages from this source: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ ?
22:10.28unomelast -m shows an IP I don't recognize, does it mean this box is compromised?
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22:10.34goobitDukGalNa1u, yahoo sbc.. hmm check their site and see if you have dialup hours ..
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22:10.45DukGalNa1ugoobit: nope
22:10.48Eulexsean_micken, should work
22:10.58jimWhisky_: eggdrop is a debian package; official line is to install that package and the deps will be properly picked up
22:11.03goobitDukGalNa1u, you sure? maybe you do..(an 800 number..)..
22:11.09sean_mickenEulex: k... i was hesitant because it said it was "testing," but it also said 'sarge' -- so they haven't updated yet.
22:11.23jimWhisky_: you could try installing build-depends of eggdrop
22:11.24DukGalNa1ugoobit: no i HAD them, but they got cut offf when i switched to dsl
22:11.27*** part/#debian stouset (~stephen@adsl-218-120-228.asm.bellsouth.net)
22:11.51Eulexsean_micken, well, you can try them -- and if they cause and problems, remove them
22:12.06daedalus_unome: Possible....
22:12.07goobitDukGalNa1u, no, I was saying though you have dsl, you might already have the 10+ hour free service bymonthly..
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22:12.10NOthsouthhello
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22:12.32DukGalNa1ugoobit: i don't
22:12.40daedalus_unome: Check your logs.... though if you'd really been compromised by someone who knows what they're doing, you wouldn't see anything in last, or in the logs
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22:12.46tarzeauany comments to the last two: http://groups.google.ch/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/631dd362b1cf92ef/ce3850122c80262d?q=maze+of+galious&rnum=2&hl=de#ce3850122c80262d
22:12.47DukGalNa1ugoobit: in either case i couldn't much sell 10 hours of dialup
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22:13.02tarzeauGandalfar: HEY!
22:13.05NOthsouthThere is some kind of configuration for Bittornado be faster?? because i`m actually downloading at 0.2k super speeeed.. huaauhua
22:13.11goobitDukGalNa1u, that's a pity.. I have 10 hours :)
22:13.11Gandalfarhello tarzeau !! :)
22:13.14noDLL<PROTECTED>
22:13.23DukGalNa1ugoobit: could you send me the exact link you looked at onj how to set up an isp?
22:13.24Gandalfartarzeau: why did you part morphix? :)
22:13.35jimNOthsouth: find out why
22:13.36noDLL(i was reading CHANGE file from pmount and it says that)
22:13.38Gandalfartarzeau: gave up on gnustep livecd? :]
22:13.39goobitDukGalNa1u, http://www.tldp.org -- there are many others..
22:13.50tarzeauGandalfar: no, too much ALCLOLO
22:13.50NOthsouthjim, DUH
22:13.55goobitDukGalNa1u, some people call it a gateway
22:14.02jimNOthsouth: ok, so why?
22:14.07goobitDukGalNa1u, personal gateway
22:14.16NOthsouthdon`t know
22:14.19jimNOthsouth: find out why
22:14.21Nolius_hi, I did a apt-dist upgrade today and now all my mono-based appl dont work. do you know why?
22:14.30NOthsouththat is why i`m asking for help
22:14.40NOthsouthmaybe someone already had this problem
22:15.03EulexNOthsouth, does it do that for all files? not just one that you have tried?
22:15.10unomedaedalus_: I tail -f the logs ... nothing there. but last -d shows 194.135.4.8 login'in with my username :0 since jul 1st
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22:15.13GandalfarAnyone knows of screensaver module/normal (CLI) image viewer that can display a small image and randomize it on the screen. I'd like to have my logo bouncing around the black background randomly?
22:15.14Nolius_my error is :  WARNING **: The following assembly referenced from /usr/lib/mono/gac/monodoc/1.0.0.0__0738eb9f132ed756/monodoc.dll could not be loaded:
22:15.14noDLLin 0.9.1 changes it has a line "- pmount: use async by default to not destroy flash memory"
22:15.18NOthsouthEulex, yes, for all files
22:15.28jimyour system is closer to you, there are a lot of possibilities for the source of the problem. your first goal is to find out what exactly is causing the problem.
22:15.42goobitDukGalNa1u, there's a sophisticated package called asterisk (#asterisk) but I don't know if it can do this.. probably..
22:15.42tarzeauGandalfar: can i see the logo?
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22:15.45DukGalNa1ugoobit: wouldn't they need to be connected through an ethernet prot?
22:16.09goobitDukGalNa1u, no, if you have a modem, there should be nothing more to it but a software steup and call away..
22:16.13rob_ltI've taken the exquisite gnome icon theme and tweaked a script to make many different sized icons.  However, I think there is something wrong with my index.theme file as the icon theme doesn't show up.
22:16.15Gandalfartarzeau: www.livecd.net :)
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22:16.39rob_ltI know this is not debian specific, but I've asked everywhere with no responses.  Does anyone here have any experience making gnome icon themes?
22:16.43goobitDukGalNa1u, all he needs is your phone number and some chap username/pw.. with his computer modem..
22:16.52daedalus_unome: Well, if you haven't ever logged in from there (even to just transfer files) then you may indeed be owned
22:17.06NOthsouthhow can I check if any of my ports are block?
22:17.27jim#networking
22:17.31jim#netfilter
22:17.35jim#iptables
22:18.02phorce1ok back to see if any RAID gurus have /joined. SW RADI1 built on sarge the wrong way it seems. /boot outside RAID. primary drive crashed - no way to boot. '/' on /dev/md0. Installed on new drive partitions exactly like dead drive. Now need to figure out how to get data from the good mirror onto the new drive. Need to be SURE I don't have the new (empty) drive overwrite the old one. Ideas?
22:18.06goobitDukGalNa1u, this is called a network gate, phone<->phone<->ether<->ISP<->internet  , each of these are network types  the phone2phone is ppp, etherconnection can be many (pppoe,etc.)..
22:18.12AbeLhello what advantages offer xorg?
22:18.12unomedaedalus_: thx. weird tho, I dont run services and none of my ports are open, I use this box as desktop; Oh well, atleast I learn something
22:18.13pureonenetcat ;)
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22:18.17daedalus_unome: I suggest investigating further, but in general, I'd pull the network connection from the machine...
22:18.41unomedaedalus_: investigate how, the logs is all I can check.
22:18.44goobitDukGalNa1u, between ppp and ether, is a gateway, switch,router whatever you want to call it so that the different type networks (layer 2) can intercommunicate
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22:19.39goobitDukGalNa1u, IP is a stack up on against ppp or an ether packet.. so he'd be given an IP.. a subnet IP (possibly 192.168.0.xxx)..
22:19.41daedalus_unome: Tail -f merely tells you if something is going on currently. If you look through the auth or secure log, you should see the login authorization
22:20.05unomedaedalus_: yeah I'm looking at auth right now
22:20.09phorce1I can boot with a knoppix live CD and see both drives. how should I build the array to make sure sync is done from the old drive to the new one?
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22:20.10daedalus_unome: You can also download rootkit checkers, though that is not a guaranteed method
22:20.12AbeLanyone?
22:20.21goobitDukGalNa1u, you'll need to setup your machine like its a router, is your computer a direct connection to its ISP?
22:20.24DukGalNa1ugoobit: so i could use my current modem?
22:20.28unomedaedalus_: where do I find that?
22:20.32daedalus_AbeL... It's newer.
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22:20.51kodekHi people, how can i find out what kind of hardware my linux pc is running?
22:20.51goobitDukGalNa1u, do i have to ask twice?
22:20.58freecraftlocale-gen is not working, i have screwed up with system locales / language, i need some help :)
22:21.14kodekIve had problems with my network card, and I want to know if it's transmitting at 100 mbps, cause my FTP connections cap at about 1.5 mB/s
22:21.20tarzeaukodek: check lspci ?
22:21.20daedalus_unome: apt-get install chkrootkit
22:21.20freecrafthow to fix this: sr_YU.ISO-8859-5@cyrillic...LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab2' value does not match `country_num' value
22:21.24DukGalNa1ugoobit: no it goes through an external modem
22:21.31unomedaedalus_: done, thx.
22:21.31tarzeaukodek: check iptraf ?
22:21.35goobitkodek, there's ethtool, mii tool something..
22:21.48goobitgoobit, so I guess its dhcp right?
22:21.48jimDukGalNa1u: don't let him push you around... he's obviously treating you like the pussy he called you earlier
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22:22.04DukGalNa1ujim: heh
22:22.13kodektarzeau, my NIC is 10/100, yet it's running at 10 mbps :(
22:22.23goobitgoobit, you'll need to create a NAT gate (wikipedia.org)
22:22.25kodekgoobit, is ethtool a console app? i dont have x11 in here
22:22.26tarzeaukodek: check what goobit said
22:22.28DukGalNa1ugoobit: you talking to youself?
22:22.29goobitDukGalNa1u, , you'll need to create a NAT gate (wikipedia.org)
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22:22.46d03boyhow can I get my mouse configuration + my laptop touchpad to work at the same time?
22:22.48goobitDukGalNa1u, or create a subnet..
22:22.49stewunome: you can use debsums to get a not 100% reliable method of checking if any binaries have been replaced
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22:22.53DukGalNa1ugoobit: i will check it out
22:23.12unomeStew, I'll try that too.
22:23.14goobitDukGalNa1u, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT
22:23.16stewunome: start with debsums procps net-toos ssh
22:23.27unomek
22:23.27goobitDukGalNa1u, there must be a package to make it very simple though..
22:23.30AbeLdaedalus_: i know that.. but it's better than xfree86?
22:23.44daedalus_!tell abel about xorg
22:24.06unome!debsums
22:24.13AbeLthx
22:24.19daedalus_Abel: Np
22:24.21goobitDukGalNa1u, there's something called guidedog (apt-cache search NAT|less , use '/' to forwar search and hit 'n')
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22:24.32stewunome: apt-cache show debsums
22:24.36kodekgoobit, i just isntalled ethtool, what should i look for?
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22:24.51unomeStew, k
22:24.53goobitDukGalNa1u, its for kde..
22:25.11goobitkodek, use the console( and type ethtool eth0)
22:25.20kodekgoobit it says no data available.
22:25.37goobitkodek, what cmd you typed? try it as root..
22:25.46kodekgoobit, sudo ethtool eth0
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22:26.14daedalus_ethtool is non-std
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22:26.22milerhola
22:26.25daedalus_He may have to apt-get it
22:26.26mileralguna web
22:26.28milercon buenos templates para mambo
22:26.31goobitdaedalus_, what's the other? mii smthing..
22:26.31daedalus_!es
22:26.32dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:26.32kodekdaedalus_ already did
22:26.33mileralguna web
22:26.36milertemplates free
22:26.46daedalus_kodek, goobit: Oh, my bad
22:26.54Whisky``export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=<path to DIRECTORY containing Tcl library>:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}
22:26.57mrwoodydoes anyone know any user friendly application that would allow me to print more than one picture in the same page? I know that flphoto does that, but there is no debian package
22:27.01goobitkodek, ethtool -h (ethtool -i ..)
22:27.04Whisky``where is my TCL libs dir ?
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22:27.17jimWhisky_: eggdrop is a debian package; official line is to install that package and the deps will be properly picked up
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22:27.23jimWhisky_: you could try installing build-depends of eggdrop
22:27.32kodekgoobit: i just did: ethtool -i eth0, and it came up with some info, do you want to see it?
22:27.35DukGalNa1uEulex: still there?
22:27.40goobitkodek, no
22:27.41freecrafthow to configure /etc/enviroment file ?
22:27.43kjonPeople, I need help editting hdparm.conf. How do I permanently enable udma modes for my ide devices?
22:27.43Whisky``jim: But I did install tcl8.4 and tk8.4 :(
22:27.58goobitkodek, look at the other options in -h (ethtool -h |less 'q' to quit)
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22:28.07EulexDukGalNa1u, for a few minutes
22:28.08caphusofreecraft: lots of lines like foo=bar
22:28.11jimWhisky``: so what about the debian eggdrop package?
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22:28.21Whisky``E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
22:28.29jimwhy source?
22:28.29DukGalNa1uE cuold you join #datalk?
22:28.29Whisky``when i did apt-get build-dep eggdrop
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22:28.43kodekgoobit, well, honestly, i dont know what they do. there's too many of them :|
22:28.46caphusojim: because that's where build-depends come from
22:28.54jimohh, so copy some lines in there, and replace deb with deb-src
22:28.54EulexDukGalNa1u, me? why?
22:28.55goobitkodek, man ethtool in another box..
22:28.58kodekanyone know why i could be getting 10 mbps on a 100 mbps network?
22:29.06Whisky``err?
22:29.28DukGalNa1uEulex: so you can help my friend without th distraction
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22:29.39goobitkodek, the same here i got a dlink and linksys .. 10mps fullduplex--(strict-set).. cheap router or interference from somewhere..
22:29.41jimcaphuso: he doesn't necessarily need sources; he hasn't yet explained his goal
22:29.54caphusojim: he does if he wants to use apt-get build-dep
22:30.09DukGalNa1ukodek: because your HD can't write any fastwer?
22:30.10goobitkodek, possibly cheap cabling too. i think there's a tool that may say if there's crosswiring..
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22:30.17Whisky``export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=<path to DIRECTORY containing Tcl library>:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}
22:30.27kodekDukGalNa1u, you're saying my hdd cant write faster than 1.5 mB/s?
22:30.27Whisky``all i need is my TCL library dir
22:30.28goobitkodek, I believe i saw this once..
22:30.33jimwhy is that? why would build-dep need sources? is that info in the Sources.gz rather than the Packages.gz file?
22:30.41caphusojim: exactly
22:30.47jimok, thanks
22:30.51unomeeth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[5871])
22:30.58unomedaedalus_: chkrootkit shows nothing infected but that ^
22:30.58EulexDukGalNa1u, sorry, but I gotta go to bed now
22:31.10mo1991Can someone tell me what package I need to install to have the gnome-volume-control application
22:31.12mo1991??
22:31.15kodekgoobit, i dont believe it's the cabling. could it be the 3rd party firmware on my linksys box?
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22:31.19goobitkodek, it could be the other end..what's on the other end?
22:31.24jimWhisky``: what I'm still not understanding is why "apt-get install eggdrop" didn't work
22:31.33DukGalNa1unooo!!
22:31.34goobitkodek, yes, there are firmware upgrades..upgrade the firmware..but whats on the other end?
22:31.37kodekit goes: desktop <-> router <-> server
22:31.46unomeStew, debsums says everything is fine so far.
22:31.51goobitkodek, o/s ?
22:31.57kodekgoobit, im pretty sure it's up-to-date, but im saying, maybe it could be a bad firmware image?
22:31.59EulexDukGalNa1u, will be back in ~10h, if that helps
22:32.00kodekwinxp
22:32.08mmiikkee12I'm trying to install Debian 3.1 with the ISOs on my hard drive, but running "loadlin vmlinuz root=initrd.gz" says "invalid compressed image format" or something like that
22:32.09Whisky``jim: It doesnt compile the eggdrop modules so when i do /usr/sbin/eggdrop, it gives a whole bunch of errors and stuff. It just stinks. I wish i knew the path to my TCL library
22:32.10Eulexgoodnight
22:32.11DukGalNa1uEulex: is there someplace that helps only with wireless stuff?
22:32.11kodekgoobit, winxp on my desktop, debian on my server. connection goes through ftp
22:32.19goobitkodek, unplug the ethport cable on xp and replug it..see if that helps..
22:32.33kodekgoobit, ive done that a million times :'(
22:32.34EulexDukGalNa1u, check the channel lists... and maybe #networking will help
22:32.36goobitkodek, (don't bother with the mouse/keyb..just unplungreplug while network is on..)
22:32.47goobitkodek, just the xp port..
22:32.57DukGalNa1uEulex: night then, and thanks
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22:33.06kodekgoobit, i did, and it didnt help
22:33.24Hostilewhat package is lame in?
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22:33.25goobitkodek, what's the router?
22:33.29daedalus_unome: reinstall the dhcpclient I suppose.  Then do a debsums. But basically, if you're owned, you need to yank the network connection, back up your data, and reinstall. There is no guaranteed way to clean out a system once it has been owned
22:33.34jimWhisky``: if it's the debian package of tcl you're interested in the libs of, maybe you can dpkg -s tcl-<version> and dpkg -l tcl-<version>
22:33.35kodekgoobit, it's a linksys, u want the exact model #?
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22:33.42goobitkodek, y
22:33.44mmiikkee12I'm trying to install Debian 3.1 with the ISOs on my hard drive, but running "loadlin vmlinuz root=initrd.gz" says "invalid compressed image format" or something like that
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22:33.50Virtualcan anybody tell me if I can make gkrellm start on startup?
22:33.55Xytek^Can anyone tell me, why I can't use apt-get install java-package?
22:34.03kodekgoobit: one sec
22:34.05tarzeauXytek^: java is non-free
22:34.13Hostilehmm...how do I instal lame?
22:34.23caphusoXytek^: because you don't have contrib in your sources.list?
22:34.23unomedaedalus_: no doubt, but I just want to be 100% sure the box is owned, I'll reinstall dhcpclient, thx
22:34.26jimXytek^: maybe because you don't have contrib in your sources
22:34.30caphusoHostile: /msg dpkg marillat
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22:34.34websdaleunome:I don't think thats anything to worry about - some legit programs cause this
22:34.40Whisky``package: tcl8.4
22:34.41Whisky``Status: install ok installed
22:34.41Xytek^I probably dont i just installed, linux, how would i go about checking?
22:34.43daedalus_unome: If chkrootkit found something, then you're owned
22:34.43tarzeauHostile: compile it yourself
22:34.44goobitHostile, search it
22:34.53Whisky``Conflicts: tcl, tcl74 (<= 7.4p3-2)
22:34.54Hostilegoobit, I did search
22:34.56daedalus_unome: No uncertainty about it
22:34.57kodekgoobit, its the WRT54G running: Alchemy-V1.0 v3.37.6.8sv
22:34.59goobitHostile, yes, that's a good way too, if you can compile it too..
22:35.01kodekgoobit, sveasoft firmware
22:35.11goobitHostile, there are tweaks that can be done against it..
22:35.22websdaledaedalus_: thats not true at all
22:35.27unomedaedalus_: so that packet sniffet on eth1 is *not* normal
22:35.27jimWhisky``: see if depends and build-depends are there
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22:35.43unomesniffer*
22:35.44jimand suggests: and recommends:
22:35.45Whisky``Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4)
22:35.46daedalus_websdale: Well, I'm assuming he didn't rootkit himself
22:36.04Whisky``no build-depends
22:36.05unomerootkit myelf? lol
22:36.08jimok
22:36.09websdaledaedalus_: are you 100% sure of your facts?
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22:36.17Xytek^./msg dpkg java-package
22:36.22goobitkodek, did you ever do a firmware update recently?
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22:36.24caphusoWhisky``: apt-cache showsrc eggdrop
22:36.29jimXytek^: maybe because you don't have contrib in your sources
22:36.42Whisky``E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
22:36.43kodekgoobit, it was a while ago, but the firmware isnt that old.
22:36.50FebianHow may I configure a bootsplash in kdm?
22:36.53Xytek^jim, I probably don't could you tell me how I might check this?
22:36.58daedalus_unome: No, it's not. If it's in promisc mode, then you might be fine, but if it's reporting that your dhclient has been changed.....
22:37.00tarzeauheh
22:37.03tarzeauit's weekend. right?
22:37.18Whisky``caphuso: My apt-get is fine now :/
22:37.19mrwoodydoes anyone know any user friendly application that would allow me to print more than one picture in the same page? I know that flphoto does that, but there is no debian package
22:37.28daedalus_websdale: If I'm wrong, let's hear the right info. Quite tiptoeing around it. Doesn't help anyone
22:37.42jimXytek^: look at /etc/apt/sources.list and if you don't quite understand what you're looking at, reference to that file format is at man 5 sources.list
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22:38.09phorce1OK -- intentionally trashed the MD superblock on the NEW drive -- created /dev/md0 containing only the OLD mirror -- then hot-added the new drive with the trashed md superblock to /dev/md0 -- seems to have picked it up as a spare and is syncing the data. Anyone know how I can make it device #0 in the md after the sync is complete? Now the old drive is device 1 and the new is device 2 -- it says device 0 is "missing"
22:38.10goobitkodek, what is it the broadband ranger?
22:38.16jimit's a good read, and explains things completely
22:38.19jimalso
22:38.24Xytek^I won't know what I'm looking at lol, I'm extremely new, Ill take a look, thanks :)
22:38.25kodekgoobit, ?
22:38.30websdaledaedalus_: I'm not tiptoeing - why don't you google for this - you'll see what I mean - there are false positives
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22:38.40jimyou might browse the source with either ncftp or your web browser
22:38.42beardymrwoody: Use an image editing program, put the things you want on one page and print? gimp ?
22:38.42unomedaedalus_: let me forward chkrootkit output to some file, so I can be sure what I'm talking about.
22:38.53jimto see what subbranches are available
22:39.01jimmain, and what ese
22:39.04Xytek^do i need to be on root?
22:39.04jimelse
22:39.07mrwoodybeardy: that is not very convenient, is it?
22:39.08goobitkodek, http://linksys.com/download/firmware.asp?fwid=201
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22:39.14goobitkodek, there's a version 4..
22:39.14Whisky``jim: So what should I do now ?
22:39.17jimto do some of those things yes
22:39.21kamaraju$gfortran-4.0 using_posix.o -lfortranposix.so.0
22:39.22kamaraju/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lfortranposix.so.0
22:39.22kamarajucollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:39.22kamaraju<PROTECTED>
22:39.22kamaraju<PROTECTED>
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22:39.41kodekgoobit, ooh, these are pretty new. but they're official, and i'll lose functionality from my 3rd party firmware. I'll try these, and if my problem is gone, i'll see what else i can do
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22:39.55unomewebsdale: I appreciate daedalus_'s help, and I'm planning to reinstall anyway (to partition this disk a little better), but I'm also trying to learn something from this experience.
22:39.57beardymrwoody: If you know script-fu of some kind it could be :)
22:39.57kodekgoobit, i'll flash it in a little while, though, there's people using the network right now :(
22:40.00kodekgoobit, thanks
22:40.05goobitkodek, but i don't know if its correct, as i speculate this is your model..
22:40.05mrwoodydoes anyone know what package I need to install to get openoffice draw?
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22:40.13kodekgoobit, it is
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22:40.20goobitkodek, you sure?
22:40.21websdaledaedalus_: I've pasted a quote in flood
22:40.24jimXytek^: ok, take a look at that, the man page will be technical, it describes what you can put in sources.list
22:40.29goobitkodek, just be sure..
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22:40.40Whisky``jim: I still didnt find out my TCL library path :s
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22:40.57mo1991Can someone tell me how to adjust the individual (line in, mic, master, pcm) settings in sarge.  In fedora I used gnome-volume-control which brought up all these settings but I don't have this command in sarge??
22:41.06raf256any chance of 2.6.12 in debian testing soon
22:41.09raf256^..?
22:41.10goobitmo1991, alsamixer
22:41.10rick50a little story:  i started off with debian when it was first released (back in 95?) and have upgraded to every new release.  the system has been passed to many different hard disks
22:41.11fakbillwich file is read by emacs to select the fonts it uses in his menus?
22:41.15daedalus_websdale: I wasn't in #flood. Try again
22:41.17tarzeaumo1991: tried aumix yet?
22:41.23kamarajuWhen I do the following
22:41.23kamarajugfortran-4.0 using_posix.o -lfortranposix.so.0
22:41.23kamaraju/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lfortranposix.so.0
22:41.23kamarajucollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:41.23kamarajuBut the following works $gfortran-4.0 using_posix.o /usr/lib/libfortranposix.so.0
22:41.23kamarajuWhat could be the reason?
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22:41.39jimWhisky``: see what apt-cache search tcl-<version> says... maybe there's an additional package you should install
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22:41.47putrefatoI have problems with gnome-volume-control in my charge too
22:41.51Xytek^well, its good to be technical i have to learn what im doing somehow lol :)
22:42.01jimkamaraju: hmm, seems you can't flood anymore :)
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22:42.08beardymrwoody: /msg dpkg search 'apt-cache search openoffice'
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22:42.09rick50the latest upgrade to sarge would have gone well except i had opera-static installed and that caused all heck to break loose
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22:42.18jimXytek^: ok, see what you can learn...
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22:42.39rick50even so, i manged to sort it all out and the upgrade was successful
22:42.41jimXytek^: if you get stuck, tell us why you're stuck and what you're stuck on and we can help
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22:43.10unomewebsdale: so eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[5871]) means nothing?
22:43.12daedalus_unome: Ah... I see now.  Yes, websdale is right, there are false positives
22:43.16goobitrick50, then bug the people at opera.com, that's not free software , or apt-get install mozilla-firefox or firefox..
22:43.19websdaledaedalus_: its obviously better to have false positives than false negatives anyway
22:43.21jimXytek^:: it's good for you to just get enough to get over the one point
22:43.29daedalus_websdale: Totally agree
22:43.37rick50unfortunately, i started to full around with a 2.6.8 kernel and attempted to get initrd to work using loadlin
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22:43.48daedalus_unome: Did you do a debsum on the dhclient?
22:43.53unomedaedalus_: websdale alright guys, thanks
22:43.57unomedaedalus_: yeah all fine.
22:43.59fpitt_notte
22:44.01daisuke_is there any way of seeing how much bandwidth is being used on the pci bus?
22:44.05goobitunome, there's also pump
22:44.11goobitunome, which seems to work pretty well..
22:44.13rick50ugh, the sytem became unstable due to my probable ignorance and i decided to do a fresh instll
22:44.14jimXytek^: learning like this is quite excellent, and will help you to see what your future is going to be like using linux
22:44.15unomegoobit: I'll that a shot too.
22:44.28goobitunome, i've always had problems with dhclient unfortunately..
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22:44.42daedalus_websdale: Thanks for catching that... I needed a refresher on chkrootkit
22:44.45unomegoobit: could be the FBI, just kidding.
22:44.48stewunome: apt-get install snoopy ; and watch /var/log/auth.log for a while is not a bad idea either.  snoppy will log every single command executed on the machine
22:45.06rick50everything is rosey now though i wish i could have continued the upgrade tradition :(  :end of story
22:45.09unomestew: installing, thx mate.
22:45.15websdaledaedalus_: I only know cos it happened to me - I thought I'd been owned
22:45.19goobitunome, you just type pump :)
22:45.25unomehehe
22:45.27daedalus_websdale: I hate that feeling.
22:45.37Xytek^deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/contrib would i be adding this to the sources.list? or should i read on? lol.
22:45.41Whisky``stew: You could also try logcheck. Looks for something fishy in the logs and mails u.
22:45.49caphusoXytek^: man 5 sources.list
22:45.52rbochanstew: brilliant! I"ve been looking for something like snoopy
22:45.58rick50goobit:  i wasn't complaining or whining, just telling a story :)
22:46.02Xytek^caphuso, im reading that now :)
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22:46.41goobitcan someone verify if X is supposed to look recursively for XF86Config files down /root (it did when I tried out lsof ->/root/bakXFfiles/XF86Config-4_0) ..
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22:47.00goobitand I had all my /etc/X11/XF86Confi* files nuked..
22:47.02raf256what the fuck
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22:47.07raf256anyone used prelink?
22:47.14raf256because it totally do not work here
22:47.34unomestew: so there's no settings in stew you just install and it runs in the bg?
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22:47.37stewgoobit: it don't believe it should, but strace would tell you for sure if it was
22:47.53sdfsCan someone help me with sound in sarge - I installed the 2.6.8 kernel during install - alsamixer shows no devices, however - do I need to install some alsa packages as welll to get sound working right?  I thought alsa was automatically installed for 2.6 kernels?
22:47.55beardymrwoody: gnome-photo-printer ? sounds good anyway..
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22:48.02raf256noone used prelink ever?
22:48.13caphuso!tell raf256 -about ask
22:48.21rick50sdfs: you need to run alsaconf
22:48.21stewunome: yes, as long as you say yes to the ld.preload question that debconf gives you, after that every command should start showing up in /var/log/auth.log
22:48.27raf256!rhhoabhtd caphuso
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22:48.37unomeStew, I did, thanks.
22:48.49caphusoraf256: so, that'll give you 15 minutes to think about how to ask proper questions
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22:49.03caphusoand _I_ am not kidding
22:49.07stewgive hime longer, he's annoying
22:49.07sdfsrick50 command not found - what additional packages do I need to have alsa on my 2.6 kernel - I thought alsa just worked in 2.6 kernels?
22:49.21simonrvn@tell converge about root
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22:49.24rick50sdfs: alsautils i believe
22:49.25Jacky^evening
22:49.48rick50sdfs: run it as root
22:50.20Jacky^i'm tryng to install vmware on Debian, kernel 2.6.10-1-386, but it can't find the kernel-headers for this kernel, any idea ?
22:50.49goobitsds: you need soundcore module loaded
22:51.15rbochanJacky^: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-headers-2.6.10&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
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22:51.28Jacky^it also say, the kernel was compiled with gcc-3.5 but i'm using gcc-3.6
22:51.36Jacky^rbochan: ok, thanks
22:52.09rick50sdfs: alsa-utils
22:54.06Jacky^rbochan: there are 2.6.10-1 kernel headers, but vmware installer won't accept the /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-1/include ,
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22:54.32rbochanI don't know anything about vmware, sorry
22:54.37goobitJacky^, you can compile the vmmon without the installer
22:54.46rbochantesti: you get yer mouse fixed?
22:54.49goobitJacky^, apart from vmware altogether..
22:55.15Jacky^uhmm .. would be hard for me :(
22:55.21testiyeah i got it
22:55.23testithanks for you rhelp
22:55.27goobitJacky^, no, not if you're a debian guy ..
22:55.30rbochanright on
22:55.40testii forgot is arp the right script to use to find out my lan ip?
22:55.58goobit!arp
22:55.58dpkgi heard arp is the address resolution protocol, which converts IP addresses to MAC addresses
22:55.58Jacky^goobit: ok, thanks a lot
22:56.02rbochanifconfig
22:56.04goobit!vmmon
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22:56.39goobittesti, its ifconfig -a for all interfaces..
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22:57.04testiah ok thanks goobit
22:57.30Epixhello world. i have a USB keyboard made by Evolution (the musical kind...) im wondering how to get it to work under linux,
22:57.48Epixits a MK-361 squared
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22:58.41rick50anyone know of "free" drivers for a Canon i960 printer?
22:59.05goobitcaphuso, may I ask you? does X recursively look down /root for XF86Config-4*? (apparently it does).. I do have X working
22:59.09goobitahem..
22:59.24goobitI have X working, wondering if someone can verify if its meant to do this..
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22:59.33daedalus_Epix: I have no idea, but have you googled the subject?
23:00.10goobitit does this with gdm..
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23:00.22goobit(if anyone cares-> /etc/init.d/gdm ...)
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23:00.44beardyEpix: First, I guess you have to plug it in and see if it's recognized and so on. Then look for a program that can use MIDI input, a browse through the packagelist, googling, and this maybe can help you http://linux-sound.org/
23:01.49rick50epix: try http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/evolution-usb-midi.php
23:02.03daedalus_goobit: man xfree86
23:02.10goobitdaedalus_, IT WORKS
23:02.30daedalus_goobit: And the man page tells you where the server looks for the config file ;)
23:02.34Xytek^i think i added, the wrong info to my sources.list, i added this deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
23:02.47Xytek^and I can't get the java-package. :(.
23:02.51Xytek^off to keep trying.
23:02.57daedalus_goobit: Man pages are quite informative.
23:03.25goobitdaedalus_, what line? I seem not to find out about it..
23:03.30goobitdaedalus_, it bothers me
23:03.42furrywolfhrmm.  netboot requires a network card with a boot rom...  not likely to work too well on a laptop.  looks like I'll probably be attempting to install with loadlin...
23:03.50goobitdaedalus_, /root shows up to nothing about it..
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23:04.36goobitwell it ain't documented..
23:04.41goobitgonna file a bug..
23:04.45goobitdoc bug that is..
23:05.01furrywolfguess I'll defragment and shrink the windoze partition, then try installing debian from win95.
23:05.48raf256omg I have butter on my face
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23:05.53raf256(j/k - bash.org ... ;)
23:05.57daedalus_goobit: Did you follow their advice and look at man XF86Config-4
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23:06.16rbochanoops
23:06.28unomewebsdale: debsums fails for usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache .. false alarm?
23:06.46daedalus_Did you exec the x server from within your archive directory?
23:06.56goobitdaedalus_, there is no advice.. I believe this is lacking in the doc..
23:06.56Xytek^I should change the stable to, unstable correct? I do believe someone said to use the unstable java-pakage?
23:07.10goobitdaedalus_, (i already said)--> /etc/init.d/gdm
23:07.19Xytek^im so lost, lol. :/
23:07.49jharrisonanyone know how to use lftp with tls/ssl?
23:07.53goobitit may be gdm, dunno..
23:08.19daedalus_goobit: man XF86Config-4 line 36
23:08.31websdaleunome:I'm sorry I don't know - best thing is to google for the error
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23:08.43unomewebsdale: k, thx
23:08.50goobitdaedalus_, (i already said)--> /etc/init.d/gdm
23:09.01daedalus_goobit: I heard
23:09.02goobitdaedalus_, I already said gdm 5 times my lad..
23:09.17daedalus_goobit: I only asked once
23:09.25furrywolfhrmm, I can't find a booting-off-windoze-partition section in the current install guide.
23:09.31furrywolfam I missing it, or was it removed?
23:10.00rbochanfurrywolf: has that been an option since dos?
23:10.13goobitdaedalus_, daedalus_  it uses "/root/mysubdir/XF86Config-4_0"
23:10.28colli suddenly noticed that my system is left with 0mb space (very bad! heh) so it seemed like /var/log/syslog, messages, kern.log and a few others were like gigs big because of iptables logging. so i manually rm'ed them and touch'ed the files again so its all cool now but is there some config feature to keep these logs under a few hundred megs? (and when they reach it they simply zero themselves)
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23:10.51rbochancoll: logrotate?
23:11.14goobitdaedalus_, lsof shows it..
23:11.14beardycoll: logrotate should be run by cron, you should find out why it isn't
23:11.22furrywolfI think installing-off-win95-partition is the only way I'm going to get linux on this laptop...
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23:11.43Xytek^deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable contrib , would I add that to my sources.list to get the java-package? sorry for asking you guys to hold my hand through this lol.
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23:11.50rbochanfurrywolf: I've done that, but it was looooong ago
23:11.51daedalus_goobit: you changed the filename too and it still finds it??? That's whacky
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23:11.59goobitdaedalus_, YES!!
23:12.02collthanks
23:12.02goobitdaedalus_, try it..
23:12.25furrywolfI haven't done it in many years either.  hence why I'm RTFMing.  but it no longer seems to be in the manual.  :)
23:12.31daedalus_goobit: I'll take your word for it. I'm in the middle of other stuff.
23:12.37goobitdaedalus_, not just that-> nuke all /etc/X11/XF86Confi* files too..
23:12.43FebianOps! I have theese partitions: /boot / /usr /home...I'd like to take some space from /usr to / how can I do this? Is this possible?
23:12.52goobitdaedalus_, can you verify this for me later?
23:12.53colli think because it happened under than a day, cause im seeing it on /etc/cron.daily
23:12.56rbochanfurrywolf: lodlin is on the sarge netinst cd
23:12.56Epixrick50: i went through that doc
23:13.03rbochanin /tools
23:13.14furrywolfno cd-rom.  :)
23:13.16Epixrick50: there is no /etc/modules.conf in debian...
23:13.24rbochanno floppy either?
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23:14.26FebianHow can I partition my hard disk without damage my data?
23:14.27bluefox83where does iptables store it's logs?
23:14.29daedalus_goobit: If I remember, I will.... I've got a deadline friday, so I'll be tied up till then at least.  Poke me about it in a week
23:14.39bluefox83infact..where do most things store logs in debian?
23:14.48rbochanbluefox83: /var/log
23:14.51bluefox83ty
23:14.53goobitdaedalus_, i've done many baks to /root in the past.. but this is the first time this has happened..
23:14.56Epixhow do i create /dev/snd/seq???
23:15.10Xytek^deb http://us.debian.org/debian unstable contrib , would I add that to my sources.list to get the java-package? sorry for asking you guys to hold my hand through this lol.
23:15.14furrywolfpentium/120 subnotebook...  panasonic cf-m31.  teeny tiny laptop, 8" display.  48mb ram, 1.4gb disk.  no floppy or cdrom.  came with win95 on it, and has a ethernet card in the pcmcia slot, which seems to be set up.
23:15.28goobitdaedalus_, i saw this previously to creating the subdir..to my surprise I tested it another time and it started using mysubdir/XF86Config-4_0
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23:15.30daedalus_goobit: For giggles, cd out of your arch directory and try it again
23:15.33bluefox83would it do any damage to delete everything in /var/log ?
23:15.36rbochan!tell Xytek^ about java-package
23:15.43goobitdaedalus_, maybe later, but I'm dam sure about it..
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23:16.02goobitdaedalus_, frustrated me because setting up X is bitchy..
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23:16.36rbochanfurrywolf: so ftp or something the files over lan
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23:17.11mikohi, anyone have got playdisc working with wine?
23:17.17Xytek^rbochan, I've read that, I don't have contrib in my sources.list, Im wondering how i should add it, I've read man 5 sources.list - im still unsure..
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23:17.40mikotrying to emulate my Thief under wine but it asks for CD and i cant find no way to shove it to him
23:17.56phorce1who knows mdadm reports? Please tell me that "events: 0.35" means the sync is 35% done and not .35% done (I'm hoping that's why it's listed as 0.xx rather than simply xxx)
23:18.15rbochanXytek^: it should read <address> <release> main non-free contrib
23:18.16furrywolfrbochan:  yes.  that's my plan.  but I was trying to read the installation guide to see how to use loadlin, as I'd be dammned if I remember from so many years ago.  :)
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23:18.23Wyzardphorce1: "cat /proc/mdstat" is another way to check the sync status
23:18.46rbochanfurrywolf: you should doa write up it, fun project if you can get it working well
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23:19.08Epixis it safe to add stuff like this to /etc/modules? alias char-major-116 snd
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23:19.32furrywolfheh.  it's a tiny laptop.  my plan is to stick an 802.11b card in it and have the world's slowest wifi-equipped laptop.  :)
23:19.48phorce1Wyzard: Oh My God (or deity of choice) -- finish 3879 minutes
23:19.53rbochanbe fine for wardriving ;)
23:20.01furrywolf120mhz is pretty slow, sadly.
23:20.08Wyzardphorce1: Must be a pretty big array, or some pretty slow drives
23:20.09phorce1crap
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23:20.32phorce1Wyzard: I guess you weren't here for the rest of the sob story earlier
23:20.34furrywolfbut it's tiny and cute, has a working battery, and cost $1.  :)
23:20.35rbochanfurrywolf: my firewall's a measely 200/32 meg
23:20.43pumpitupboo
23:20.52Xytek^rbochan, so http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge main non-free contrib ? :)
23:20.54Wyzardphorce1: nope
23:20.54furrywolfbright color screen, too.
23:21.14rbochanXytek^: with deb or deb-src at the beginning, yes
23:21.26Xytek^Thanks :)
23:21.33Xytek^Much appreciated :)
23:21.41rbochangood luck
23:21.48Xytek^I must login as root now, thanks again rbochan :)
23:21.52Epixwhat is /dev/snd/seq and how do i create it?
23:21.56mikonoone knows how to get cdrom work with wine?
23:21.57phorce1Wyzard: software RAID1 built with /boot outside the array. Main drive crashed -- no more /boot - built new install with same partitions as old boot drive, now trying to get the data from the original mirror
23:21.58rbochanO_o
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23:22.22caphusothat's why i have /boot on RAID-1 :)
23:22.28jharrisontarzeau: ping
23:22.56Wyzardphorce1: You don't have to wait for the whole thing to resync before you can use it
23:23.09Wyzardphorce1: That's just when it'll be redundant again
23:23.16rbochanfurrywolf: you might have a look at the old woody docs, iirc, there was a howto or somethin about booting from dos for an isntallation
23:23.24initechcaphuso: hmm, yep, and I have /boot on raid0!
23:23.31phorce1Wyzard: still can't get the darn system to boot right though
23:23.43blafardI'm having trouble with sound, cat something.au > /dev/audio causes static to come out of something other than my sound card speakers (pc speakers? something usb?)  can anyone help me?
23:24.20phorce1well, actually, haven't tried since I trashed the MD record on the new drive then added it to md0 to force a sync
23:24.51tarzeaujharrison: i'm not sober yet
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23:25.18initechyikes, is this your typical MMORPG gamers house? http://www.it.kpt.cc/~tim/images/never-winternights-workstation.jpg
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23:25.47QwErTz-whats happening with disk partitionning tool of sarge
23:25.53QwErTz-in the install
23:25.59initechQwErTz-: what about it?
23:25.59jharrisontarzeau: does debian lftp have ssl built in?
23:26.03jharrisontarzeau: it seems to not
23:26.06QwErTz-everytime I try to install, it freeze
23:26.13initechjharrison: ldd `which lftp`
23:26.15phorce1<PROTECTED>
23:26.22tarzeaujharrison: ssl sucks
23:26.49rbochaninitech: at least it shows a comb :)
23:26.56jharrisontarzeau: what should I use then?
23:27.02initechrbochan: :) what a mess
23:27.17rbochanhate to be that guy's dentist
23:27.18QwErTz-I got the netinstall cd, everything is working fine till I create my partitions.. It freezes during the formatting
23:27.21furrywolf"Next, execute install.bat. The kernel will load and launch the installer system."  does sarge still have this, or only woody?
23:27.29initechlook at all that coke
23:27.32initechwtf
23:27.38rbochanlike I said
23:27.39rbochanhate to be that guy's dentist
23:28.09tarzeaujharrison: no ssl
23:28.14Epixok, now i have my keyboard (once again, the musical kind) showing up with alsa. Next step, how do i use it?
23:28.24stewbang on the keys?
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23:28.31jharrisontarzeau: and then password in the clear
23:28.39tarzeaujharrison: yeh
23:28.45tarzeaujharrison: i even use telnet/telnetd
23:28.48jharrisontarzeau: that not good
23:28.48initechjharrison: well that's ftp for you
23:28.51rbochanfurrywolf: unzip, then cat /LODLIN16/DEBIAN/README.DEB
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23:29.07jharrisoninitech: yes unfortunately
23:29.09tarzeaujharrison: it's damn fast
23:29.17jharrisontarzeau: yes thats why I want to use ftp
23:29.22jharrisontarzeau: cause its damn fast
23:29.27jharrisontarzeau: sftp is not damn fast
23:29.33tarzeaujharrison: sftp sucks
23:29.37initechjharrison: phppt ftp isn't faster than anything else
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23:29.43furrywolfunzip what?  lol
23:29.56furrywolfbrb, finding an ethernet cable to plug the laptop into
23:29.56jharrisoninitech: with ftp I can transfer 650MB in 5 minutes
23:30.13jharrisoninitech: with ftp I can transfer the same 650MB in 1 minute
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23:30.26Tunghello = )
23:30.32rbochanfurrywolf: there's some doc included in the lodlin16.zip on the cd
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23:30.36initechjharrison: well, compare http with ftp with the same host, like www.kernel.org
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23:30.40jharrisoninitech: its amazing how much overhead encryption costs in speed
23:31.00jharrisoninitech: well there is not much difference between http and ftp
23:31.01pipelinejharrison: Surely you're kidding.
23:31.03Tungim trying to umount a drive, but its busy, cant seem to force it neither (mount -f drive2)
23:31.08pipelinejharrison: A pentium-class machine can saturate a 10 mbit link.
23:31.09furrywolfI'll have to download the cd to my desktop and loop mount it...
23:31.16initechall the p2p stuff is essentially http I think
23:31.17Tungis there another way to force umount it or find out what is making it busy?
23:31.23sandipsince i installed debian, i have been getting this really ugly font all over my desktop. which monospace,sans and serif fonts are people normally using?
23:31.23pipelinejharrison: SFTP has problems, but the encryption isn't the main one
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23:31.36pipelinesandip: vera bitstream
23:31.50jharrisonok
23:31.51pipelinesandip: They're the only not-crap, totally-free basic fonts.
23:32.15initechbitstream fonts are very nice actually
23:32.16sandippipeline: i dont see the luxi fonts from FC3 here. some DFSG problem?
23:32.16Epixwhat is that jack GUI called?
23:32.39Tungnevermind, i closed all programs and was able to umount it
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23:32.58pipelinesandip: You probably want to install t1-xfree86-nonfree and ttf-xfree86-nonfree
23:33.07abhi all, is 'make dep' necessary after 'make menuconfig' ?
23:33.14Xytek^I'm still getting an error when i try to get the java-package :/
23:33.15furrywolfab:  with 2.6, no
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23:33.40sandippipeline: damn. i was hoping to ward off non-free as much as i can
23:33.45abso yes with 2.4.27 :), cheers
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23:34.00pipelinesandip: If it's nonfree and Debian is still providing it, it's a pretty liberal license.
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23:34.25pipelinesandip: The DFSG has recently become stricter with respect to fonts and documentation, so lots of stuff has ended up in non-free that you wouldn't expect to be in non-free.
23:34.35pipelinesandip: For example, I'm not at all offended that I can't have the source code to fonts. :)
23:34.58sandippipeline: :)
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23:35.14caphusothe xfree86-nonfree fonts are damn non-free
23:35.17initechpipeline: :) that's not the issue though
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23:35.29caphusobasically "no modifications allowed"
23:35.40furrywolfis loadlin on the netinst cd, or do I have to grab the full one?
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23:35.44nemikhello, i just did a net install and cannot get serial port ttyS0 to show up or work...any help please?
23:36.03pipelinecaphuso: Yeah, that doesn't bother me a damn bit.
23:36.09caphusopipeline: me neither
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23:36.27caphusobut calling it "pretty liberal" is stretching it a bit too far :)
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23:37.12krono!gcc4.0
23:37.23caphusokrono: /msg the bots
23:37.26Supaplexhaha
23:37.29kronooh sry ^
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23:37.59initechSupaplex: you bastard!
23:38.02thofflandcan anyone help me out with bootcdwrite?
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23:38.31furrywolfn/m  :)
23:38.32nemikany help with serial ports? i don't know why ttyS0 does not exist in /dev, how would I add it there?
23:38.39rob-awayfurrywolf: it's on the netinst
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23:38.47thofflandmy file size was 900+mb... need to make it smaller, and it says my kernal definition isn't right
23:38.59Xytek^when editing something with, vi how do I save it?..
23:39.01cafuego!kernal
23:39.01dpkg*KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL*
23:39.25sandipXytek: To write press :w
23:39.27Supaplexa 900mb+ kernel? you *do* have a problem there.
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23:39.57initechmotherfucker do not BOOT
23:40.08thofflandSupaplex: that's the file that was written from bootcdwrite... toobig to fit on a dic... I omitted my large directories...
23:40.09sandiplol@initech
23:40.19phorce1damn -- looks like the boot sector on the "new" drive got trashed. Grub fails with error 15. I guess I'm going to have to build a new server then try to mount /dev/md0 on this one under knoppix and copy all the data across the network
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23:41.02Supaplexwaldek: that's nice. /msg dpkg ask
23:41.21nemiki know the serial ports exist hwardware-wise, but they are not showing up in /dev, any way to add them?
23:41.22sdscan someone help me mounting a usb external drive in sarge  added /dev/sda1   /e    ext3     defaults    0   0 - doesn't mount at boot though - is this the right fstab entry ?  ALso, may be getting error message on bootup while trying to mount - does anyone know how I see the log of messages that pop up while debian boots?
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23:42.16Supaplexnemik: mmm look for a file in all caps in /dev - otherwise you roasted your /dev directory (or it's its own fs like devfs or something)
23:42.50Supaplexwaldek: you apparently don't understand #debian. the topic says msg the bot, NOT the people.
23:42.52nemiki looked in dev, couldn't find it
23:43.00nemiki should resintall the OS?
23:43.05Supaplexor ask here...
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23:44.37newdebusrDoes anyone know how to get a promise tx4000 ata raid card working with software raid?  Which module or driver to use to get it to recognize the ata disks as single scsi disks?
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23:45.16thofflandis the kernel in the /boot folder? or is it somewhere else?
23:45.25Supaplexsata or ide? sata are ide, but why would you have to use scsi for soft raid?
23:45.42sdscan anyone tell me the log file that shows all of the messages that are shown while debian is booting?
23:45.49Supaplexthoffland: it belongs in /boot. sometimes symlinks are in /
23:45.52phorce1Supaplex: sata reports as /dev/sdx
23:46.05Supaplexsds: dmesg or /var/log/dmesg
23:46.14thofflandthanks!
23:46.22newdebusri found a reference to the tx4000 in the scsi listing in the .config for configuring the kernel
23:46.37thofflandSupaplex: it's not labled kernel though right?
23:46.44sdssupaplex - this does not look like the exact output that is shown while debian starts?
23:46.45Supaplexphorce1: yea, sata drives show up as scsi device nodes.
23:47.33Supaplexthoffland: vmlinu* try /msg dpkg search and look at the files in your .deb (if you installed it that way)
23:47.54thofflandSupaplex: ok thanks again!
23:48.25rixth_sleepYou know how Gmail can give you an Atom/RSS feed of your inbox?
23:48.42rixth_sleepDOes it EVER work? It always says "Live bookmark failed to load" here.
23:48.48Supaplexsds: it's only partial. anything output by init scripts doesn't show up in dmesg. (unless it's a kernel message)
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23:49.49Xytek^i must seriously be dumb.. lol
23:49.51Supaplexsds: otherwise you'll have to hold shift and pageup to review the previous contents.  However, the scrollback evaporates when you swap virtual terminals
23:50.02caphusoor you enable bootlogd
23:50.14JJin2005Hi, where can I find info in how to configure power management. I have a laptop, and when it sleeps, I cannot come back to linux
23:50.20newdebusrHow can a person tell what the module is called by looking at the .config file.  It has a different name apparently  CONFIG_SCSI_PDC203XX=m  what is the module name?
23:50.20Xytek^Can anyone, tell me what I must add to the sources.list to get the java-package?
23:50.26caphusoXytek^: contrib
23:50.37caphusooh, wait, you've already been told
23:50.50Xytek^deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists unstable main non-free contrib
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23:51.05rixth_sleepnewdebusr: you should use make gconfig when configuring your kernel, it shows a human readable name as well was the config_name
23:51.07Xytek^i added, that and it can't find anything...
23:51.15caphusoXytek^: did you run "apt-get update"?
23:51.22Xytek^yes sir.
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23:51.39newdebusri don't have xwindows
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23:51.52caphusoand why the fuck are you using unstable?
23:52.19Xytek^It's easily changed.. someone said i should use the unstable release?.
23:52.25caphuso*sigh*
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23:52.31Matt0heh
23:52.41Xytek^Sorry, I'm new, i just take anyones word for it lol :D
23:52.41green_earzXytek^: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142
23:53.04WyzardXytek^: No, you don't need unstable to use java-package (and in fact, java-package is currently broken in unstable)
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23:53.22jharrisonrebuilt lftp with ssl support
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23:53.28jharrisoneverything works fine now
23:53.30WyzardXytek^: Especially if you're new, you should not use unstable
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23:53.38JJin2005can anyone point me to How to configure Power Managmenent in debian dist for a laptop please
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23:54.02Xytek^okay, well is that link correct at least?
23:54.07rixth_sleepXytek^: you don't even need to be using unstable to use unstable debs.
23:54.22JJin2005I meant to point me, to point me to an a page or doc, please :)
23:54.25rixth_sleepYOu could be using Sarge or Etch, download a Sid .deb and dpkg -i *DEBNAME*
23:54.26phorce1OK <sigh> time to go the backup route. Build a new system and then copy '/' over from the hosed up RAID install. Now, can someone tell me how to PROPERLY build a SW RAID1 system so if the primary drive fails I can just swap drives until I replace the failed one?
23:54.34Wyzardrixth_sleep: Xytek^ doesn't even need to use any unstable debs
23:54.34phorce1Fresh Sarge install
23:54.58WyzardXytek^: You need to have contrib in your sources.list, and then follow the directions on that website
23:54.58Supaplexphorce1: google for a how to, I'm sure they're up to speed by now.
23:55.27Xytek^Right, I know this, I mean is this, correct. deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists stable main non-free contrib
23:55.35WyzardXytek^: Looks right to me
23:55.35green_earzphorce1: http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/
23:55.38phorce1Supaplex: I looked earlier when trying to figure out how to fix this one. Will head out again with a few changes to the serach terms
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23:56.01rodrigohi.. somebody on this channel once told me that using 2 sata harddisks with raid would give more performance than changing the processor/ram .. can anybody tell me what's this tecnology is called on debian?
23:56.05Xytek^okay let me save this file. and update my apt-get.
23:56.12WyzardXytek^: and then "apt-get update" to download current lists of available packages, so that apt will know about the contrib packages
23:56.13rixthI need 400mb of stuff to download. I have to mow the lawns, but I wan't to come back to something nice :) What's a nice, large package (app, game, video etc) that I could get (or a selection of a few smaller ones)
23:56.15Supaplextrust me, it's lots eaiser to find that info then it was 5 years ago. :)
23:56.16mactabilis_Hello, any ndiswrapper / wlan specialists in here ? :)
23:56.19phorce1green_earz: oohhh I didn't see that one -- thanks
23:56.24Supaplexand event hen, you had a little to go on
23:56.26green_earznp
23:57.02Supaplexmactabilis_: I hear no matter how poor/cheap you are, it's eaiser to buy something that's natively supported.
23:57.04Xytek^i get a bunch of errors.. :/
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23:57.13green_earzphorce1: its a very good raid howto
23:57.28dk0rim installing debian ppc, and must choose a debian mirror. how do i know which is closest to me?
23:57.31dk0rgoogle is of no help
23:57.40tarzeaudk0r: where do you live?
23:57.43WyzardXytek^: like what?
23:57.44Xytek^Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.80.133 80]
23:57.47Xytek^lke so
23:57.49dk0rupstate newwyork
23:57.53tarzeaudk0r: do you have a globe?
23:57.57dk0rUS
23:58.00dk0runited states
23:58.02dk0rnew york
23:58.11tarzeaudk0r: use one in the US?
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23:58.35Xytek^whoa.. why is there /dists/dists
23:58.35behrouzhelp, i am asked to boot the debian uml with a red hat linux 7.0 disk image (781 megs) and also to check to c if the copy on write mode works on the disk image,  plzl help thx
23:58.38Xytek^thats proably.. why..
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23:59.07WyzardXytek^: Take the "/dists" out of the line in your sources.list
23:59.33mactabilis_Supaplex: well ... as this card is integrated and tought i might use this one :)
23:59.47waldekDoes anysoul here use teapop? Or may be maintainer is present? :)
23:59.59tarzeauwaldek: yeah i do. no idea

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