| 00:00.09 | tarzeau | dk0r: what's your favourite letter? |
| 00:00.46 | Xytek^ | k that fixed it, but it gave me a different error this time.. lol it got all the contrib non-free and the like |
| 00:00.47 | waldek | I supplied error report some time ago (+100 days), no reply/fix |
| 00:00.51 | Xytek^ | Wyzard, W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 00:00.51 | tarzeau | !k |
| 00:00.51 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 00:00.59 | Supaplex | tarzeau: 0x90h ;) |
| 00:01.05 | behrouz | help, i am asked to boot the debian uml with a red hat linux 7.0 disk image (781 megs) and also to check to c if the copy on write mode works on the disk image, plz help |
| 00:01.16 | rbochan | dk0r: you might look into the apt-spy package |
| 00:01.22 | tarzeau | Supaplex: hey |
| 00:01.25 | tarzeau | Supaplex: NOP |
| 00:01.32 | Wyzard | Xytek^: That's a warning that won't interfere with your use of apt, but as it says, you apparently have two of the same line somewhere in your sources.list |
| 00:01.32 | Supaplex | tarzeau: very good. :) |
| 00:01.40 | tarzeau | Supaplex: and not even sober |
| 00:01.48 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 00:02.07 | Xytek^ | wyzard I think i fixed the problem.. guess ill find out lol :) |
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| 00:02.33 | Xytek^ | yep, no errors :) thanks :) |
| 00:02.46 | Azar | Xytek^, that source link looks a bit weird |
| 00:03.11 | concept10 | Hello gals (debs) and guys (ians) whats going on this weekend |
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| 00:03.48 | Wyzard | The same thing that goes on every weekend, concept10... we try to take over the world |
| 00:04.00 | Wyzard | :-P |
| 00:04.16 | Supaplex | le/el/ |
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| 00:04.33 | Wyzard | Supaplex: You spelled it right the first time |
| 00:04.33 | rixth | Okay, here's a V. OT question... The band R.E.M.. what is it an acronym for? |
| 00:04.42 | lestest | hi there is it possible to use a samba printer without the driver? |
| 00:04.43 | Supaplex | I did. wow. |
| 00:04.49 | concept10 | real expensive mofos |
| 00:04.51 | dystopian | rixth, rapid eye movement |
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| 00:05.07 | dystopian | as in r.e.m. sleep |
| 00:05.07 | rixth | dystopian: thanks! |
| 00:05.19 | tarzeau | !rem |
| 00:05.20 | dpkg | [rem] a sort of relaxing band, who's famous song Imitation of Live was recently famous. |
| 00:05.36 | dystopian | no prob |
| 00:05.40 | Wyzard | lestest: To send a print job to a printer, your computer needs to be able to generate the print job in a format the printer understands... a task normally performed by a driver |
| 00:05.47 | Wyzard | lestest: Use of Samba has nothing to do with that |
| 00:05.57 | waldek | ok - so nobody cares as I see :> Phew... and I was angry about m$ 8P ;) |
| 00:06.47 | Azar | hmm |
| 00:06.58 | Supaplex | thinks that make Azar go hmm. |
| 00:07.02 | dk0r | whats gui command from prompt? |
| 00:07.07 | Supaplex | think/thing/ |
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| 00:07.37 | Azar | both OS have their ups and downs: m$ charges too much but is easy on people who do not have time to study and aggravation, linux Debian is free but you got to bent over a lot |
| 00:07.55 | pipeline | I would be inclined to disagree. |
| 00:08.05 | rbochan | so would I |
| 00:08.06 | Supaplex | dk0r: for what? I know you said you live in NYC, but is there another language you are more fluent in besides english? |
| 00:08.10 | pipeline | Debian requires a lot less knowledge and maintenance on the part of the user. |
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| 00:08.18 | Azar | ok your opinion pipeline |
| 00:08.18 | rbochan | pipeline: indeed |
| 00:08.19 | pipeline | A windows desktop practically requires a full time, trained administrator. |
| 00:08.33 | Azar | omg omg, I tend to disagree pipeline |
| 00:08.34 | rbochan | if my 72 year old mother can admin a Debian box, anyone can |
| 00:08.38 | dystopian | getting it setup was easy for me. |
| 00:08.41 | waldek | Azar: Yeah.. I did not wanted to start the 'war of the worlds' (and to become Martian) :) |
| 00:08.53 | pipeline | and, well, fuck that. I have things I actually want to get done, rather than learning more crap about the next worm / security hole / IIS problem. |
| 00:08.56 | Azar | pipeline, I am an "user" and trying to figure out Debian and all configuration for 3 years now |
| 00:08.57 | rixth | pipeline: you're forgetting the install process :) That would be horrible for a first time user. |
| 00:09.07 | goobit | pipeline, no, a fully certficed MS engineer whose got a MSCE A+ certification and 5 years of very very hard dedicated work (of bloat of s**!) |
| 00:09.07 | Supaplex | I can't count how many hours I'd spend cleaning up spyware alone on a windows system. |
| 00:09.13 | dk0r | im a 1st time user! |
| 00:09.17 | pipeline | rixth: Would it? A monkey could install debian. Insert disc. Press enter until your finger gets tired. Remove disc. |
| 00:09.19 | rbochan | rixth: but how many people install winders? |
| 00:09.24 | dk0r | how do i get to my desktops gui???? |
| 00:09.32 | caphuso | dk0r: startx |
| 00:09.39 | Azar | I am only sticking with Debian because I love challenges, it is NOT easy but I like it |
| 00:09.41 | dk0r | utoh! |
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| 00:09.44 | waldek | Pipeline: now you have to read the code and correct everything :> |
| 00:09.45 | dk0r | command not found |
| 00:09.53 | rixth | dk0r: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 00:10.00 | caphuso | dk0r: then you don't a "desktop gui" installed |
| 00:10.12 | caphuso | s/ a / have a / |
| 00:10.19 | dystopian | the only thing I really had to read about was what services are running on initial install and how to enable disable them. and firewalling. 2 topics that were critical and the rest has been as I go along, no hurry. |
| 00:10.19 | rbochan | dk0r: clicky clicky: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224547 |
| 00:10.26 | rixth | dk0r: to install gnome, run that command I gave. |
| 00:10.31 | dk0r | im on ppc |
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| 00:10.40 | dk0r | that make difference? |
| 00:10.40 | Azar | ..not to mention that Guerin called me a useless fuckwit, I admit I am |
| 00:10.41 | Supaplex | and is it debian? |
| 00:10.44 | dk0r | yes |
| 00:10.48 | Supaplex | then no. |
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| 00:10.59 | dk0r | what environment is best for 1st time user |
| 00:11.01 | dk0r | ? |
| 00:11.04 | Supaplex | !best |
| 00:11.04 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:11.10 | rixth | dk0r: Gnome. |
| 00:11.11 | waldek | Pipeline: you meann that? :> Did you tried that kind of install ? :) |
| 00:11.17 | rixth | Easy to use, pretty, stable |
| 00:11.24 | jim | dk0r: no graphics, just shell |
| 00:11.28 | WorthHearing | guerin is always spoutin off like that. |
| 00:11.34 | rbochan | jim: :) |
| 00:11.35 | bungopolis | in sources.list -- is it possible to add a repository that will be used for only one particular package? I want to add a respository just one newer package version, but I dont want it to replace anything else. |
| 00:11.42 | Supaplex | dk0r: feel free to try a few, there's a lot to choose from. |
| 00:11.48 | bungopolis | ^for just one newer package version |
| 00:11.52 | dystopian | he likes to be that way, guerin, I mean. |
| 00:11.56 | Azar | waldek with a bit of excersise, Debian installation gets easy and fun, what comes AFTER that is hard |
| 00:11.58 | rixth | dk0r: I'd try Gnome first, then KDE |
| 00:12.07 | rbochan | bungopolis: can't you just install the one package with dpkg? |
| 00:12.08 | stew | bungopolis: why not just download the one .deb you want and dpkg -i blah.deb? |
| 00:12.10 | rixth | KDE is just bloated in my opinion though. |
| 00:12.23 | bungopolis | becuase I would like to be able to check for updates more easily |
| 00:12.28 | Supaplex | all wm suck. :) |
| 00:12.30 | behrouz | how do i boot the debian uml with a disk image???? |
| 00:12.32 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 00:12.32 | dpkg | twm blows! |
| 00:12.34 | bungopolis | I know its possible, I did it in the distant past but have forgotten |
| 00:12.37 | rbochan | rixth: I'd almost agree, but then 3.4.1 was released |
| 00:12.39 | caphuso | oh, damn, linuxquestions.org |
| 00:12.40 | Azar | I wonder why everyone speaks only of KDE and Gnome, what is wrong with Openbox? |
| 00:12.53 | Supaplex | behrouz: man linux |
| 00:12.53 | behrouz | gnome's the best |
| 00:12.59 | rbochan | caphuso: it's just a meta thingie about post-install config |
| 00:13.08 | bungopolis | I use openbox Azar |
| 00:13.10 | caphuso | rbochan: yeah, i just read it |
| 00:13.11 | rixth | rbochan: I have not touched it since 3.2, maybe i should try it again? |
| 00:13.11 | jim | then you'd learn the shell for awhile and then if you browse your filesystem, you can see and learn more about what's in your linux... then install x |
| 00:13.12 | waldek | Azar: I haev a couple of Debian servers up and running but never attempted to 'just press enter' :) |
| 00:13.14 | dystopian | window managers: pick what you like and it will be "best". choice is good. |
| 00:13.21 | behrouz | Supaplex: man linux? r u serious? |
| 00:13.23 | WorthHearing | I prefer KDE |
| 00:13.26 | Azar | bungopolis , Openbox is the only thing I used to use |
| 00:13.28 | Wyzard | hehe... when Nautilus renders a thumbnail of an image with transparency, it makes a thumbnail with transparency -- not too surprising, but pretty cool :-) |
| 00:13.32 | caphuso | it says to put xhost +localhost into ~/.xsession |
| 00:13.33 | Supaplex | behrouz: yes |
| 00:13.37 | rbochan | rixth: I can run kde 3.4.1 on a 233/128 meg laptop... not by any means fast, but more thna usable |
| 00:13.38 | jim | behrouz: /msg dpkg u |
| 00:13.56 | WorthHearing | but everyone has their preference which is the most important |
| 00:14.05 | bungopolis | so nobody knows how to configure a sources.list to use repositories for only specified packages? |
| 00:14.13 | pipeline | jim: console mode sc |
| 00:14.14 | jim | dk0r, then you'd learn the shell for awhile and then if you browse your filesystem, you can see and learn more about what's in your linux... then install x |
| 00:14.29 | jim | what's sc again? |
| 00:14.30 | pipeline | dk0r: Just install a good desktop right now. Console mode sucks. Hooray, it's DOS all over again! |
| 00:14.31 | rbochan | bungopolis: by definition, adding a source would source their entire repository |
| 00:14.31 | goobit | !ask rsync |
| 00:14.33 | lestest | Wyzard: so I need a service on windows which takes ps as input and print on the printer right? |
| 00:14.34 | goobit | !ask about rsync |
| 00:14.36 | Supaplex | bungopolis: it's pointless. you'd have to use pinning I suppose |
| 00:14.37 | rixth | !info kde etch |
| 00:14.40 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 00:14.40 | waldek | The problem is that that I did not wanted to mince myself a Teapop - just was thinking that maintainer / upstream could do something |
| 00:14.52 | rixth | 5.4?? Wtf |
| 00:15.05 | caphuso | rixth: 5:44, not 5.4 |
| 00:15.06 | dystopian | that was what I was going to say. apt pinning. which is like it's own science |
| 00:15.09 | Wyzard | lestest: The printer is on a Windows system and you're printing to it from Debian? |
| 00:15.21 | bungopolis | perhaps before the repository had each package in its own directory, which would make it quite easy |
| 00:15.25 | lestest | yep |
| 00:15.34 | jim | pipeline is trying to keep you from really learning... if you wait before you install x and -really- explore what you have, you'll -really- learn stuff and be MUCH better off |
| 00:15.35 | rixth | caphuso: 5:44 still makes little sense |
| 00:15.42 | caphuso | rixth: it makes perfect sense |
| 00:16.00 | Wyzard | rixth: That's epoch 5, version 44 |
| 00:16.05 | caphuso | version 44, with an epoch of 5 |
| 00:16.07 | pipeline | jim: What a load of tripe. Console mode is UNIX dickwaving. Better to jump in and use a modern system. |
| 00:16.10 | Wyzard | rixth: "kde" is a metapackage which just pulls in a bunch of stuff as dependencies |
| 00:16.12 | jim | you may or may not care about that part, but at least you should have the choice (which you do) |
| 00:16.12 | Azar | myself I like to think I like basic and simple things on my machine, I hate bloated, filled with decorations "just because looks nice' applications |
| 00:16.23 | jim | !better |
| 00:16.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 00:16.25 | waldek | In fact upstream (mr.Khalifa) said that DOS is no-problem and buffer overflow is 'unlikely' ;) In fact I can reproduce it every single time and get 'locked' user mailbox / maildir |
| 00:16.31 | Wyzard | rixth: Check something like "kdelibs" if you want to see the version of the actual software |
| 00:16.48 | rixth | Wyzard: I'm aware of that, I trying apt-cache show'ing kde-core kdelibs and all gave that stupiud version number. |
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| 00:16.56 | jim | case closed... he should choose himself. |
| 00:16.57 | caphuso | pipeline: bullshit. modern desktops are eye candy junkie crap, only there to distract you from getting real work done\ |
| 00:17.04 | rixth | Version: 4:3.3.2-6.1 << kdelibs |
| 00:17.08 | dystopian | but couldn't a user work from the console inside a modern desktop and have the best of both worlds? |
| 00:17.14 | Wyzard | !info kdelibs etch |
| 00:17.18 | dpkg | kdelibs: (KDE core libraries metapackage), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.1 (etch), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 00:17.29 | pipeline | dystopian: But of course. xterm is the world's most bloated application :) |
| 00:17.31 | Wyzard | rixth: Yep, that's version 3.3 |
| 00:17.32 | lestest | Wyzard: no way? |
| 00:17.33 | rixth | It's a metapackage too, I see. |
| 00:17.40 | rbochan | can anyone running the default Sarge 2.4.x kernel please verify for me whether or not the i8k module is compiled in? |
| 00:17.43 | pipeline | caphuso: Eh, you say that, but I have working copy and paste for data types more complex than text. And I like it. |
| 00:17.46 | jim | dystopian: yes, sure. but if he waits, then he will be pretty much encouraged^Wforced to learn :) |
| 00:17.51 | rixth | Whats the whole deal with the 4 or 5th epoch? |
| 00:17.53 | Azar | my dad told me something that it burned in my mind forever: a computer is a machine good for performing calculations, and edit documents. Anything extra is just decoration. |
| 00:18.04 | caphuso | pipeline: i don't need working that stuff |
| 00:18.20 | caphuso | pipeline: i prefer to get my work done without having to shuffle around bits of random pixels on my screen |
| 00:18.40 | pablum | A computer is a machine used for mainly for communication. |
| 00:18.42 | rixth | Okay children, calm down! |
| 00:18.44 | Wyzard | Azar: He's correct in the sense that everything a computer does (editing documents, playing video games, controlling assembly lines, etc.) can be reduced to "performing calculations" |
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| 00:19.04 | jim | I see increasingly that this channel is becoming a barrier to learning, people are told they should not do certain things becasue they don't know things or are too stupid (I have seen both in approx equal quantities) |
| 00:19.41 | Wyzard | rixth: I dunno why the KDE packages specifically are epoched, but epochs are usually used to correct mistakes in the package versioning numbering... it's the only way to "decrease" a version number and still have it be considered a newer version |
| 00:19.49 | pipeline | jim: One does not have to learn everything the hard way. |
| 00:19.51 | Azar | pablum, back in the days, when I got my first IBM machine there was no internet. |
| 00:20.01 | jim | pipeline: it's hard? |
| 00:20.05 | dystopian | yes, the "luser" "newb" "rtfm" comments are flung with abandon sometimes. |
| 00:20.13 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 00:20.13 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 00:20.34 | pipeline | jim: Learning through suffering rather than poring over documentation. |
| 00:20.35 | goobit | !start a ken war |
| 00:20.57 | caphuso | yeah, cause all those great desktops have suck excellent documentation... |
| 00:21.03 | caphuso | s/suck/such/ |
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| 00:21.11 | Azar | pipeline you are right: I have to confess I had my bad days crying front of the terminal |
| 00:21.16 | jim | caphuso, you were right the first time :) |
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| 00:21.22 | goobit | caphuso, hey keep it simple, they "suck" plenty! |
| 00:21.28 | pipeline | caphuso: Anything is better than using info pages. Eheh. |
| 00:21.30 | caphuso | freudian slip |
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| 00:21.54 | rixth | Can' say I'm liking KDE. The fonts are wayy to small. I can't even read the terminal text. Icons on the desktop, the text is like size 24 and is bolded. Ehhhhhh. |
| 00:21.59 | jim | pipeline: info pages are the best documentation for certain tools (you went to Berkeley, right?) |
| 00:22.34 | pipeline | jim: When I have to refer to info pages, I use html versions. Can't fucking stand GNU info. |
| 00:22.41 | caphuso | yeah, cause html based help systems where it's impossible to jump directly to a section or an index entry without having to click at least 5 times are so much more comfortable |
| 00:22.43 | WorthHearing | Azar: Correct. My I add that a computer is for accuracy in calculations and increased productivity but it seems almost everyone has forgotten that fact. |
| 00:22.52 | jim | pipeline: you can always convert them |
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| 00:23.27 | jim | and use whatever you want to view them... I'm just saying they are the best source of info for certain tools. |
| 00:23.31 | Azar | WorthHearing : to sum it up the one who use to keep "it" simple lives happily ever after |
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| 00:24.03 | rixth | Hmmm, I couldn't connect to irc.freenode.net. Had to use irc.debian.org |
| 00:24.07 | waldek | Ok have nice and bug / dos free sunday :> |
| 00:24.09 | WorthHearing | Azar: That was then/. |
| 00:24.46 | WorthHearing | Azar: The ones who keep it that way are not in this channel |
| 00:24.55 | goobit | rixth, maybe-> apt-get install x-system-core .. |
| 00:24.56 | jim | rixth: interesting... irc.debian.org is probably just a CNAME for irc.freenode.net |
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| 00:25.12 | rbochan | can anyone running the default Sarge 2.4.x kernel please verify for me whether or not the i8k module (/kernel/drivers/char/i8k.o) is compiled in? |
| 00:25.29 | Azar | take for example the fact that I am not crazy hurry to have a desktop: with Debian in console mode I can do exaclty what I need: learn a programming language, play nethack, use irc and surf the web. Everything else and up is just for testing and showoff to my friends. |
| 00:25.41 | jim | rbochan: are you running it, or do you have it installed? |
| 00:25.47 | hipodilski | hi there after upgrade from woody do sarge my elinks started opening empty pages no matter what address i do try to open, how can i resolve that did somebody else experience the same problem? |
| 00:25.50 | rbochan | jim, neither |
| 00:26.02 | rbochan | jim, I'm trying to asnwer a question for another guy, but I don't have that kernel installed |
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| 00:26.24 | jim | rbochan: does he? |
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| 00:26.35 | rbochan | yes, but I"m not exactly sure what he's doing |
| 00:26.46 | phreak | Hi, a long time ago I used a nice little program to bind usb-hid-things to stuff, like a general-program, but now I can'r remember what it was called... I don't believe it was evrouter, but something similar. |
| 00:27.00 | rbochan | jim: if you want more detail, it's here... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=341015 |
| 00:27.16 | jim | rbochan: ok, he can look in /boot to find the .config file; it's called maybe Config-2.4.something |
| 00:27.29 | caphuso | /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 00:27.59 | rbochan | right, it just seems that he's needlessly trying to recompile his kernel.. because I think the module's already built in |
| 00:28.31 | caphuso | Azar: text mode browser |
| 00:28.42 | Azar | thanks caphuso |
| 00:28.42 | caphuso | enhanced links |
| 00:28.44 | nvz | supports ssl IIRC |
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| 00:28.58 | hipodilski | it's totally strange i can't make it to work when i type url i see empty page and OK message |
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| 00:29.30 | behrouz | how would u know what kind of shell u r using |
| 00:29.42 | goobit | behrouz, ps |
| 00:29.44 | hipodilski | behrouz: echo $SHELL? |
| 00:29.44 | Azar | hipodilski, try using links, I noticed same thing after woody upgrade to sarge with lynks |
| 00:29.53 | jim | rbochan: hmm, I don't have a lot of exp compiling indiv modules... was never successful, so I would always rebuild whole kernel |
| 00:29.57 | goobit | hipodilski, that's bash..ps works in all shells |
| 00:30.21 | hipodilski | goobit: pcfreak:~> echo $SHELL |
| 00:30.21 | hipodilski | /bin/csh |
| 00:30.21 | hipodilski | pcfreak:~> |
| 00:30.24 | rbochan | jim: but that's my point... he should have to, because I believe the module's already there by default in the deb kernel |
| 00:30.25 | jim | goobit: no, not just bash |
| 00:30.26 | goobit | hipodilski, ok |
| 00:30.31 | rbochan | er,, he shouldn't have to rather |
| 00:30.31 | goobit | ok.. |
| 00:30.33 | jim | (evidently :P ) |
| 00:30.53 | nvz | someone wanted to show off what shell they were using |
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| 00:31.05 | rbochan | I'm just trying to find someone with the default 2.4 sarge kernel installed to verify |
| 00:31.29 | behrouz | what i meant to say was, is there a command that will tell u what kind of shell you r currently runnin' |
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| 00:31.37 | Azar | rbochan, I have a friend on another channel using woody, I guess he is using that 2.4 let me see if he is online |
| 00:31.38 | furrywolf | hrmm. if I have a raw floppy image, how do I loop mount it? mount -o loop -t vfat image.raw doesn't work. :) |
| 00:31.40 | jim | rbochan: you -could- download the package and extract just the config file.... |
| 00:31.49 | Supaplex | ps $$ |
| 00:31.49 | nvz | behrouz: yes, echo $SHELL like he told you |
| 00:31.54 | Azar | or better what jim say |
| 00:31.56 | furrywolf | n/m |
| 00:31.57 | furrywolf | typo |
| 00:31.57 | rbochan | Azar: I know it is in the woody kernel |
| 00:31.57 | furrywolf | lol |
| 00:32.00 | behrouz | alright thx |
| 00:32.01 | jim | rbochan: he can tell you the exact name |
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| 00:32.20 | rbochan | jim: I suppose I could do that, but I was hoping to be lazy :P |
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| 00:32.39 | jim | it IS lazy! just start the download and fall asleep :)_ |
| 00:32.50 | Roch | hello |
| 00:33.12 | hipodilski | i've also tried elinks-lite |
| 00:33.17 | nvz | maybe he needs laziness 2.0 compatibility |
| 00:33.22 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 00:33.24 | hipodilski | it does the same as elinks |
| 00:33.28 | Azar | sorro rbochan, he is not online |
| 00:33.30 | Roch | I'm trying to use xkbcomp as follows: "xkbcomp myfile $DISPLAY". It doesn't work if the current directory is nonempty... what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:33.37 | goobit | dam bug in reportbug itself...arrggh.. |
| 00:33.58 | fhffhqvb | in soviet russia, bug reports you |
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| 00:34.12 | Supaplex | goobit: what, it won't report bugs on itself? it's that normal? :) |
| 00:34.20 | Xytek^ | When i try to use fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_0_5_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin, it doesnt do what the administration site says it should do.. and it doesnt seem to be doing anything, is it okay for me to paste what im seeing? |
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| 00:34.37 | jim | goobit: what specifically is the problem with reportbug? |
| 00:34.43 | nvz | the user |
| 00:34.48 | jim | heh |
| 00:34.48 | nvz | is a bug |
| 00:34.51 | Supaplex | Xytek^: #flood |
| 00:35.11 | goobit | jim, crashes.. |
| 00:35.18 | rbochan | Xytek^: read through all the comments on that web page.. the info's in there |
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| 00:35.28 | jim | what, gets a signal? |
| 00:35.38 | rbochan | Xytek^: I know this for a fact, as I did it just lat night myself :P |
| 00:35.54 | nvz | SIGBADUSER |
| 00:35.55 | goobit | jim, it spits out a traceback error..its python again arrggh.. why can't we just stay with C ? |
| 00:36.12 | kamaraju | Let's say I have a file called libfortranposix.so.0.0.0, whose soname is libfortranposix.so.0 . Now when I run 'sudo ldconfig', I should have 3 files namely, libfortranposix.so, libfortranposix.so.0 which point to libfortranposix.so.0.0.0 according to http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Library-related_Commands_and_Files#ldconfig . But when I ran ldconfig, I was not getting any libfortranposix.so . Why is it so? |
| 00:36.17 | Supaplex | not to be confused with STRONGBAD :) |
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| 00:36.21 | Xytek^ | i might have it in the wrong directory, the bin file is saved to file:/root |
| 00:36.26 | jim | scripting languages are a good thing... debugging is a bit easier |
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| 00:36.49 | jim | goobit: that's all? does it say anything just before the traceback? |
| 00:36.51 | phorce1 | well, at least I figured out where I went wrong when I initially built this system. The last time I had to deal with RAID actually booting from an MD device was a nightmare so I built with a /boot outside the MD. Much easier with Sarge to build a bootable MD |
| 00:37.09 | hipodilski | yes classic links works normally |
| 00:37.10 | nvz | jim: yeah especially since the binary is the source :P |
| 00:37.16 | goobit | jim, it gives a lot..actually.. |
| 00:37.18 | Azar | when I installed, then later upgraded I do recall clearly I never picked Python packages, however they were installed... I wonder why?, I thought only Perl and C might be of use with the system stuff |
| 00:37.24 | hipodilski | can someone check out elinks and elinks-lite to confirm the problem? |
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| 00:37.32 | under_R_run | hey, how do I change permissions on a mount point to allow other users to read it |
| 00:37.36 | ixion | !install java |
| 00:37.36 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
| 00:37.37 | under_R_run | i can read it as root |
| 00:37.38 | goobit | i'm trying again without advanced features for reportbug onto itself.. |
| 00:37.40 | caphuso | under_R_run: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 00:37.46 | goobit | hehe |
| 00:37.49 | nvz | jim: tell him to take off his tin foil hat so you can read his mind |
| 00:37.52 | Azar | hipodilski, why do'nt you just us links? |
| 00:38.13 | jim | if he wants his mind red, I'll give him a paint can |
| 00:38.14 | hipodilski | Azar: cause elinks has nice improvement features and it supports colors |
| 00:38.25 | caphuso | !qotd47 |
| 00:38.26 | dpkg | i guess qotd47 is <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 00:38.33 | hipodilski | and since that's probably a bug it's nice to be fixed since the package do exist in debian |
| 00:38.37 | Azar | hipodilski , ok sorry I asked |
| 00:38.46 | jim | hmm, known problem |
| 00:39.00 | nvz | much better stated |
| 00:39.02 | rixth | !qotd36 |
| 00:39.03 | dpkg | i guess qotd36 is < pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 00:39.08 | Supaplex | haha |
| 00:39.11 | rixth | Aww, where is mine :( |
| 00:39.17 | Supaplex | no, it'l run all over it! |
| 00:39.20 | jim | maybe python got updated to a point that made reportbug fail |
| 00:39.30 | under_R_run | caphuso:first it's an ntfs, I am able to read it, but only when I am root |
| 00:39.47 | Supaplex | under_R_run: that's by design |
| 00:39.48 | under_R_run | i want to allow other users to as well |
| 00:39.50 | Xytek^ | rbochan, It doesnt seem to be making the .deb package, thats my problem.. maybe im missing something? |
| 00:40.01 | under_R_run | ok |
| 00:40.02 | caphuso | under_R_run: /msg dpkg ro-ntfs |
| 00:40.03 | rixth | under_R_run: Linux has a tendancy to screw up NTFS partitions so Windows can't read them. |
| 00:40.05 | under_R_run | any workarounds? |
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| 00:40.12 | under_R_run | no |
| 00:40.16 | under_R_run | i don't want to write |
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| 00:40.25 | under_R_run | i just want to read as a non root user |
| 00:40.30 | caphuso | under_R_run: /msg dpkg ro-ntfs |
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| 00:40.44 | Azar | under_R_run, you know what ro means? |
| 00:40.50 | Supaplex | under_R_run: there are mount options, read the man pages and dpkg's messages |
| 00:40.51 | under_R_run | readonly |
| 00:41.01 | Azar | under_ |
| 00:41.12 | Azar | under_R_run, then it will not write |
| 00:41.17 | under_R_run | i've already edited the fstab to include the partition and i can mount and view the files |
| 00:41.19 | jim | is there any way to make win xp (for example) use something like ext2 as a filesystem? just replace ntfs outright |
| 00:41.26 | nvz | some of those qotd are pretty funny |
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| 00:41.39 | under_R_run | when i try to view as non root user it gives an Access Denied error |
| 00:41.49 | jim | if THAT were possible, then much good stuff can happen :) |
| 00:42.09 | caphuso | jim: i think half a billion dollars might convince MS... |
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| 00:42.53 | behrouz | help, need to boot uml from a disk image, looked into man linux but it only has info on booting uml from an initrd image (no clue what this is) plz help |
| 00:42.54 | rbochan | jim: it _is_ already compiled in |
| 00:43.10 | jim | if its filesystem code is in a module, maybe it can be replaced... after all, someone DID replace win nt's authentication module, and got it to work with kerberos :) |
| 00:43.20 | phorce1 | damnit jim, he's dead! You just made me snort pizza out all over my keyboard with the XP ext2 comment |
| 00:43.41 | caphuso | Xytek^: jre-1_0_5 |
| 00:43.47 | caphuso | Xytek^: seriously? |
| 00:43.49 | Supaplex | phorce1: hahaa. that's funny :) |
| 00:43.51 | jim | just consider the possibilities... |
| 00:43.54 | goobit | haven't run X in debian for along time, hey the fonts look nice today :) cool.. |
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| 00:44.14 | caphuso | that's last millenium stuff |
| 00:44.18 | Azar | jim your dream might come true soon, m$ is looking into OS stuff way too often lately |
| 00:44.20 | nvz | jim: yeah... now go confess your sins |
| 00:44.48 | behrouz | i'm stuck :( |
| 00:44.55 | Supaplex | hey wait a minute jim, I think someone used the microsoft "detours" project (dll injection/api redirection) to accomplish something similar. |
| 00:45.01 | rixth | How does one teach dpkg things? |
| 00:45.04 | caphuso | Xytek^: get jre 1.5.0 |
| 00:45.09 | Supaplex | !speak |
| 00:45.09 | dpkg | ARFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 00:45.17 | Azar | rixth, teach or "learn" ? |
| 00:45.22 | jim | !rixth is wanting to teach dpkg something |
| 00:45.23 | dpkg | jim: okay |
| 00:45.28 | jim | !rixth |
| 00:45.28 | dpkg | methinks rixth is wanting to teach dpkg something |
| 00:45.30 | blafard | I am having issues with my pwc-compatible webcam. i think /dev/video points to the right place because when i am "recording" the light on the camera goes on. however, the picture is just grey. |
| 00:45.35 | Azar | :) |
| 00:45.46 | rbochan | jim: whoa... no it's not... not in the default 386 kernel |
| 00:45.46 | nvz | dpkg, forget rixth |
| 00:45.46 | dpkg | i forgot rixth, nvz |
| 00:45.50 | Xytek^ | thats what it is.. |
| 00:45.55 | Xytek^ | i typed the wrong number |
| 00:46.03 | rbochan | at least, not according to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=i8k.o&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 00:46.03 | Xytek^ | jre-1_5_0_04 |
| 00:46.23 | jim | Xytek^: got java-package? |
| 00:46.28 | Azar | life aggravation: I am using my DVD-recorder box to do video editing, I do not know why would I need a PC for that |
| 00:46.33 | Xytek^ | Yep. |
| 00:46.55 | Xytek^ | i pasted the error in #flood.. well there isnt an error..... it just doesnt do what the administration site says.. heh |
| 00:47.04 | caphuso | Xytek^: and get the non-rpm variant |
| 00:47.05 | jim | Xytek^: ok look in /usr/share/doc/java-package |
| 00:47.15 | Xytek^ | ok |
| 00:47.16 | Azar | I mean pay what? $800.00 for a PC to do video editing, when a DVD-recorder box costs only what? $400.00? maybe less |
| 00:47.20 | jim | Xytek^: you should see a file SUPPORTED |
| 00:47.21 | Xytek^ | thats probably the problem |
| 00:47.31 | Xytek^ | I downloaded the rpm version.. |
| 00:47.35 | Xytek^ | so ill redownload the other. |
| 00:47.44 | jim | Xytek^: see that file? |
| 00:47.55 | Azar | sorry, I guess I got "boozed" I will back off now |
| 00:48.03 | nvz | Azar: interesting, however you could probably take the pc you are on right now and with $400 make it better than the DVR |
| 00:48.16 | Xytek^ | hold on let me go look. |
| 00:48.34 | Azar | nvz, maybe you are very right, my mind is blurred |
| 00:48.58 | Xytek^ | jim, Yeah, i see supported |
| 00:49.01 | jim | yeah, Xytek^, read that file |
| 00:49.34 | nvz | you could get an nVidia GeForce FX5600 w/ TV Tuner and SVideo Output for like $60-$70 and it should be decent enough to do dvr stuff |
| 00:49.36 | jim | shows you all the exact filenames (and some wildcarded ones) it can pull apart |
| 00:50.06 | nvz | Azar: my brother only has a FX5200 in his new AMD64, and he does video editing on WinXPMC ffs |
| 00:51.06 | Azar | nvz, I got a good DVD-recorder, I can put on DVDs whatever I want and if I want to share I just put pictures, movies on the PC only thing is I do not share |
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| 00:51.53 | Xytek^ | yeah... :o the version i have is not in there? |
| 00:52.14 | jim | Xytek^: show the closest match in SUPPORTED |
| 00:52.21 | jim | and show what you have |
| 00:53.11 | Xytek^ | mine is jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin and the closest.. i think is.. jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin |
| 00:53.32 | Xytek^ | however, when i first tried to do the make-jpkg I had the RPM version.. |
| 00:53.39 | Xytek^ | so, that may have been the problem |
| 00:53.40 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:53.46 | Xytek^ | yeah thats also in there |
| 00:53.49 | jim | that's a closer match |
| 00:53.59 | jim | do you understand regexp? |
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| 00:54.18 | Xytek^ | im new, to linux I actually just set this computer up last night. |
| 00:54.30 | jim | ok, see the [0-9] |
| 00:54.37 | Xytek^ | yep |
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| 00:54.57 | jim | that matches any of 0123456789 |
| 00:55.03 | jim | 0-9 |
| 00:55.08 | Xytek^ | yeah that just clicked in lol. |
| 00:55.17 | jim | that's what [...] mean |
| 00:55.43 | jim | [abdefgh |
| 00:55.45 | jim | err |
| 00:55.59 | [Granger] | hmm |
| 00:56.01 | Xytek^ | okay well i have the non rpm version now, so im going to give it a try and see.. |
| 00:56.02 | jim | [abdefgh] matches a-h but not c |
| 00:56.20 | Xytek^ | do i have to copy the jre-1_5_0 ... etc. to the root directory |
| 00:56.23 | caphuso | any sid using zsh users awake who could test http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/downloads/_apt.patch for me? |
| 00:56.26 | Xytek^ | or can i do it right from the "desktop" |
| 00:56.31 | jim | Xytek^: it will be important for you to know what dir that file is in |
| 00:56.34 | [Granger] | <dpkg> it has been said that xfree86 4.3 is in experimental; ask me about "experimental" |
| 00:56.38 | [Granger] | somebody needs to fix that |
| 00:56.50 | jim | because you have to tell it |
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| 00:58.25 | jim | like, if you put that file in /the/place/you/put/it, then the full path name is /the/place/you/put/it/jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
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| 00:59.22 | raf256 | hi, I have a friends computer in LAN with windoze name is "foobar". In windows I just type //foobar and I can browse his files. how to do it in debian? |
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| 01:00.14 | raf256 | smb://foobar/ in konqueror didnt work - could not connect to host for "foobar"... how can I list available hosts? |
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| 01:01.07 | jim | phorce1: you could also use 'sarge' there |
| 01:01.46 | phorce1 | jim: on the installer "menu" interface, Proper names not offered |
| 01:02.03 | jim | hmm |
| 01:02.06 | Pedro | Hi. Is there a way to install a debian by compiling everything, a-la-gentoo? |
| 01:02.31 | concept10 | Pedro, Linux from scratch maybe |
| 01:02.36 | jim | Pedro: no, but you could rebuild everything after installing then reinstall the result |
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| 01:03.17 | Pedro | jim, that's what I am planning to do if I can't find anything better |
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| 01:03.33 | caphuso | Pedro: why don't you just use gentoo? |
| 01:03.35 | phorce1 | jim, old copy of the installer actually -- and used in "expert" mode |
| 01:03.48 | jim | Pedro: there is no gentoo-like build-on-install for debian |
| 01:04.26 | Pedro | would there be a disadvantage over debian if I went to gentoo? |
| 01:04.43 | caphuso | you'd be wasting a lot of time for useless compiling of crap |
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| 01:04.55 | caphuso | but since you plan to do that anyway, no |
| 01:06.12 | Pedro | caphuso, are you one of those who think that it is useless to compile stuff for your architecture? |
| 01:06.19 | caphuso | Pedro: yes |
| 01:06.41 | caphuso | and i will continue to do so unless someone actually manages to prove me wrong |
| 01:07.53 | Xytek^ | Can anyone tell me what this means? dpkg-deb: unexpected end of file in between members in sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb |
| 01:07.53 | Xytek^ | Segmentation fault |
| 01:07.55 | jim | Pedro: and evidence points to that as well: it was found that building everything for a pentium didn't have any effect except for a coupla programs here and there, to which the response by debian maints was to provide separate packages for just those programs |
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| 01:08.47 | Pedro | Isn't it usefull to recompile core programs like the kernel or X? |
| 01:08.48 | caphuso | or to do it like openssl and provide compilations for different CPU types in one package |
| 01:08.55 | caphuso | Pedro: no |
| 01:09.14 | caphuso | kernel packages already exist for any random CPU type, and X isn't CPU bound |
| 01:09.38 | Pedro | and apache? |
| 01:09.43 | caphuso | even less |
| 01:10.13 | caphuso | hoping to improve the performance of network servers be recompiling them is just stupid |
| 01:10.33 | scarynetworkguy | Pedro: Far fewer things are CPU bound than Intel and/or AMD would like to have you think. |
| 01:10.37 | caphuso | how many terabit does your internet connection have? |
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| 01:10.48 | Pedro | even for the perl module? |
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| 01:10.55 | idnar | recompiling the kernel for your CPU is useful |
| 01:11.06 | TestiCalls | where do most programs that i've apt-get go to? |
| 01:11.09 | idnar | and maybe libc6 |
| 01:11.11 | caphuso | TestiCalls: /usr |
| 01:11.14 | TestiCalls | k |
| 01:11.15 | TestiCalls | thanks |
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| 01:11.49 | Pedro | is mod_perl what you would call somewhat CPU bound? |
| 01:11.51 | caphuso | Pedro: if something isn't doing raw numbercrunching, then it won't gain from recompiling |
| 01:11.54 | caphuso | Pedro: no |
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| 01:12.12 | NOthsouth | hello, someone use japanese fonts here? i need some help, kanjis is not apear here.. |
| 01:12.27 | Pedro | ok, I guess I'll avoid the pain of compiling and stay with debian then |
| 01:12.51 | Pedro | thanks for advice |
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| 01:13.05 | scarynetworkguy | Pedro: I can saturate a T3 with a pentium 266. Darw your own conclusions. |
| 01:13.15 | caphuso | perl is slow (compared to stuff not being executed on a VM), no matter if you manage to speed up its virtual machine by 0.5% or not |
| 01:13.17 | Echelon | is there an ident server that is compatible with ipv6? |
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| 01:16.00 | TestiCalls | !vocp |
| 01:16.15 | jim | Pedro: that's NOT AT ALL to say either that (a) you shouldn't or can't compile what you want whether they're packaged or not, or (b) that the compiler tools are difficult to use or poorly supportd... in fact the gcc and friends are probably the most important packages in debian (since everything else in debian depends on them!) |
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| 01:17.48 | Pedro | jim, I'm not so affraid by compiling stuff than by the time it will take |
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| 01:18.05 | TestiCalls | is it safe to convert a rpm into a deb and install it? |
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| 01:18.15 | caphuso | TestiCalls: somtimes |
| 01:18.26 | jim | TestiCalls: not always, but you can try using alien |
| 01:18.31 | caphuso | my typing sucks today |
| 01:18.36 | TestiCalls | alien |
| 01:18.38 | TestiCalls | i'll google it |
| 01:18.40 | TestiCalls | !alien |
| 01:18.40 | dpkg | i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 01:18.48 | jim | or apt-cache search it too |
| 01:18.58 | TestiCalls | yeah i'm looking for vocp |
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| 01:19.02 | hikenboot | hello guys I have debian with a 2.6 kernel trying to get sound working on NF7-s2G motherboard(built in sound) alsa mixer gives me alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 01:19.03 | TestiCalls | i found an rpm |
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| 01:19.08 | hikenboot | its an abit motherboard |
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| 01:19.22 | TestiCalls | i noitced that they were working on the package for debian.. but it's dependent if the person likes it |
| 01:19.47 | hikenboot | I thought it was supposed to be the snd-intel8x0 driver |
| 01:19.52 | jim | so there's a license issue/ |
| 01:19.55 | jim | ? |
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| 01:20.12 | Velcan | Is there a channel that anyone knows of for unbuntu users? And yes I did try #unbuntu |
| 01:20.25 | jim | get rid of the n |
| 01:20.30 | jim | #ubuntu |
| 01:20.34 | Velcan | lol |
| 01:20.38 | Velcan | im smooth |
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| 01:20.41 | Xytek^ | Can anyone tell me how to reinstall Konquerer. |
| 01:20.41 | Velcan | like sandpaper |
| 01:20.44 | Velcan | thats |
| 01:20.52 | jim | right |
| 01:20.52 | Velcan | thanks even |
| 01:20.58 | jorge1214 | hello |
| 01:21.15 | jorge1214 | anybody seak spanish? |
| 01:21.22 | TestiCalls | sip |
| 01:21.25 | Xytek^ | I removed it, then i realised i needed it to browse files, outside of the commandline in KDE. |
| 01:21.25 | jim | !anybody |
| 01:21.25 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:21.25 | TestiCalls | que? |
| 01:21.36 | Azar | !es |
| 01:21.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:22.47 | Tung | hey guys |
| 01:22.48 | Azar | im so druk I guess I can go to debian-es to see what they are talking there |
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| 01:23.36 | Tung | i just installed sarge 3.1, and then i did an apt-get dist-upgrade using unstable: now i cant get startx to start, looks like the XF86Config is using kernel 2.4 instead of kernel 2.6 |
| 01:23.51 | rixth | Why does Sarge insist on installing an SMP kernel by default? |
| 01:23.54 | Tung | how do i get the XF86Config to use kernel 2.6? |
| 01:24.04 | Tung | apt-get ... something? |
| 01:24.14 | mud_ | xytek^ you can also use rox-filer |
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| 01:24.43 | Roch | does anyone have an idea why xterm crashes with "xterm: fatal pty error 23 (errno=22) on tty /dev/pts/4" if I defined the resource "xterm*eightBitInput: true" ? |
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| 01:25.00 | raf256 | es-smite jorge1214 |
| 01:25.04 | raf256 | !es-smitejorge1214 |
| 01:25.06 | raf256 | !es-smite jorge1214 |
| 01:25.15 | jim | Tung: unstable? the thing about that, is maybe you've found a new problem... look at bugs.debian.org to see if that's the case... research the problem, find a solution to it, test that solution, make sure it's stable, then file a bug report with your solution |
| 01:25.59 | raf256 | w00t, prelink actually quite boost spead of loading of applications |
| 01:26.35 | goobit | raf256, so you have to compile every nitty thing over or how does it go? |
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| 01:27.00 | Vantage__ | anyone know where I can get freenx/knx packages for debian? |
| 01:27.00 | raf256 | goobit: no, it just staticly links binary to libraries |
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| 01:27.22 | Azar | Tung I do not understand one thing: you just installed SArge, which is NOT coming with 2.6 kernel .... did you specifically upgraded your kernel? |
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| 01:27.25 | goobit | raf256, so i just apt-get install , n thats all? |
| 01:27.45 | Tung | when i install sarge, i specified linux26 |
| 01:27.52 | lildude | no put cd in and teh hit f3 |
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| 01:28.07 | Azar | jim am I drunk or Sarge offers 2.6 on install? |
| 01:28.07 | lildude | that how sarge is 2.6 insatall |
| 01:28.12 | jim | Tung: so you're probably running some 2.6.8 |
| 01:28.27 | lildude | have to manual say you want 2.6 |
| 01:28.27 | jim | Azar: optionally, yes |
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| 01:28.34 | Azar | wow ok |
| 01:28.42 | jim | it's 2.6.8 |
| 01:28.55 | Azar | then... |
| 01:28.59 | lildude | what does sarge use for disk space and ram |
| 01:28.59 | jim | which means it can cover -some- sata controller\ |
| 01:29.01 | jim | s |
| 01:29.05 | Azar | his XF86Config did not got it |
| 01:29.07 | lildude | with flux box for lap top |
| 01:29.17 | jim | lildude: disks and chips! |
| 01:29.25 | raf256 | goobit: then you have to run as root... |
| 01:29.42 | Tung | jim: yeah, im running kernel 2.6.8 |
| 01:29.42 | raf256 | goobit: /usr/sbin/prelink -avmR |
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| 01:29.50 | lildude | jim lol |
| 01:30.01 | Azar | welcome back mr Guerin, nice to see you again |
| 01:30.16 | lildude | 80 meg ram flux box and p150 sarge lap top seems aok |
| 01:30.16 | jim | lildude: sorry bud... but you ran into that one at full speed :) |
| 01:30.16 | Tung | but when i reboot the computer and startx comes up, startx fails to start and i check the log file and i see that XF86Config is builted on kernel 2.4 |
| 01:30.25 | raf256 | Guerin: hi \o/ |
| 01:30.32 | raf256 | !crawlsmite Guerin |
| 01:30.34 | goobit | raf256, how did you test performance then? |
| 01:30.43 | Guerin | goddamn router shutdown for no reason again |
| 01:30.52 | Tung | so thats why im thinking that maybe there is another version of XF86Config that uses kernel 2.6? |
| 01:31.08 | Azar | Tung you could try to reconfigure it |
| 01:31.08 | raf256 | goobit: well, I just see it :) it is quite noticible when executing bigger aps like webbrowsers, and on KDE startup |
| 01:31.31 | Tung | icic |
| 01:31.40 | goobit | raf256, you probably upgraded your kernel.. |
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| 01:31.52 | raf256 | goobit: ... no, why? |
| 01:32.04 | raf256 | I have 2.8.11 for some time now |
| 01:32.06 | Azar | Tung: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:32.17 | jim | Guerin: I've been noticing a LOT of hacktivity... IPs I never heard of trying to log into my net as root, and as angela, aaron and amy |
| 01:32.22 | raf256 | hmm I think there was some minor 2.8.11 update recently in testing though |
| 01:32.33 | Guerin | jim: yeah, me too. |
| 01:32.37 | goobit | raf256, I don't trust it, it changes shared libraries.. a risk I'm not willing to take... |
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| 01:32.50 | raf256 | goobit: well... ok then :) |
| 01:32.57 | jim | likely they're going to try all kinds of different things |
| 01:33.24 | sorbik | ciao a tutti qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 01:33.35 | raf256 | !it |
| 01:33.35 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 01:34.02 | jim | so I guess I have to bite the bullet and watch a buncha stuff |
| 01:34.11 | sorbik | thanks |
| 01:34.16 | goobit | raf256, if you take a look at the bugs mentione with reportbug, there's at least 19 reported bugs of failing because of it.. |
| 01:34.30 | goobit | raf256, you'd have problems with java for sure.. |
| 01:34.45 | raf256 | goobit: hmm I dont use java \o/ |
| 01:34.49 | Azar | jim any specific ports? |
| 01:35.12 | rixth | How do you stop Gnome from grouping windows on the taskbar? |
| 01:35.16 | goobit | raf256, well apt-build segfaults too |
| 01:35.19 | Guerin | jim: running my sshd on 222 seems to cut down on it, though i'm pretty sure that's not my issue. |
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| 01:36.59 | Echelon | is there a way on debian to restrict access to what a user can access |
| 01:37.07 | Echelon | such as which ips he can use |
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| 01:37.09 | Guerin | Echelon: specifics. |
| 01:37.22 | Echelon | and what ips he can connect out to |
| 01:37.31 | Guerin | Echelon: a user can't choose what ip he uses since he'she has no access to network devices. |
| 01:37.47 | Echelon | no, what i mean is |
| 01:37.50 | Guerin | Echelon: what ips he can connect to can be restricted by firewalling. |
| 01:37.57 | Echelon | say i have a machine with multiple ips on a machine |
| 01:38.08 | Echelon | i want the user to only be allowed to use one of them |
| 01:38.11 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:38.22 | Guerin | you can throttle by user with iptables, aiui |
| 01:38.23 | pablum | login attempts using pgsql, poq, calendar, trial, adam, andrew, test, user, admin |
| 01:38.29 | Guerin | don't ask me how to do it, though |
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| 01:39.29 | raf256 | goobit: my java in opera seem to work ok |
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| 01:40.37 | Guerin | $ grep 'Invalid user' /var/log/auth.log |wc -l |
| 01:40.38 | Guerin | 1456 |
| 01:40.41 | Guerin | yup |
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| 01:40.46 | Guerin | plenty of that going on here |
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| 01:40.55 | Blackhold | hello |
| 01:41.09 | Guerin | god, raf256 is an opera user |
| 01:41.12 | Guerin | that explains a lot |
| 01:41.26 | Azar | what do you use, Guerin? |
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| 01:41.36 | Guerin | Azar: free software |
| 01:41.39 | raf256 | Guerin: something wrong with opera? I guess you telnet to port 80? |
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| 01:41.46 | rabies | hi, im trying to hook my debian box up to my 60 inch HDTV using a DVI port, any idea on what resolution to use? |
| 01:41.46 | Guerin | opera is utter shite |
| 01:41.48 | Blackhold | when I plug my sony camera to my computer via usb it detects it, it gives me a message in shell. How can I access to information hosted in the camera? |
| 01:41.53 | comadreja | how can I enforce an interface to have a specific name/number ? |
| 01:42.02 | Guerin | it's proprietary extortionware which isn't even as good as the free alternatives |
| 01:42.06 | caphuso | comadreja: "an interface"? |
| 01:42.07 | raf256 | Guerin: do you own a thirt saying "omg omg, I love Torvalds"? |
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| 01:42.16 | comadreja | caphuso : a network interface |
| 01:42.25 | Guerin | raf256: no, why would I? |
| 01:42.27 | caphuso | raf256, Guerin: can you take your penis length contest elsewhere? |
| 01:42.30 | Guerin | and what's a thirt? |
| 01:42.35 | raf256 | or rather "omg, omg, I hate money, and I livew in my parents basements" |
| 01:42.38 | raf256 | caphuso: ok |
| 01:42.40 | goobit | Blackhold, if you have the sysfs , check out camtools or some other package like it.. |
| 01:42.41 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:42.44 | lildude | 30mm penis seize i guess |
| 01:42.58 | Azar | Guerin I agree with you but people like to have their freedom of choice, pay/no pay |
| 01:43.03 | Blackhold | goobit, how I can see if I have sysfs? |
| 01:43.18 | Guerin | Azar: sure, i'm not trying to stop people choosing, just criticising them for choosing badly. |
| 01:43.23 | comadreja | Blackhold : mounted ? |
| 01:43.33 | raf256 | Guerin: there is nothing wrong with closed source soft, is it. Not every commercial project is like M$ products you know... |
| 01:43.42 | jim | Guerin: like a shirt only liquid |
| 01:43.43 | Guerin | raf256: whatever you say, pal. |
| 01:43.45 | Blackhold | it isn't mounted, because I can't see it |
| 01:43.48 | Babbage | A friend of mine just emailed me moaning about findutils-4.2.22-2. Are there problems with it apart from the warning message? |
| 01:44.03 | comadreja | Blackhold : "mount" doesn't show it up ? |
| 01:44.03 | raf256 | Babbage: I get the warnings as well (on bootup) |
| 01:44.12 | caphuso | Babbage: bugs.debian.org/findutils |
| 01:44.18 | Blackhold | comadreja, I don't know to mount camera |
| 01:44.21 | raf256 | Guerin: and 1st of all, no, I usually use Firefox. |
| 01:44.30 | jim | raf256: you can't try solving problems with closed-source software |
| 01:44.32 | Blackhold | I don't know what type of device I have to mount |
| 01:44.35 | Babbage | raf256: well the fix is simple, but I was interested in whether there are any other problems |
| 01:44.37 | goobit | Blackhold, check out usbutils (dpkg -L usbutils |grep bin) |
| 01:44.44 | Babbage | caphuso: yes, already checked that |
| 01:44.52 | caphuso | Babbage: then you know as much as we do |
| 01:44.55 | raf256 | jim: why not O_o ? |
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| 01:45.05 | comadreja | Blackhold : I don't know neither, what does the log say ? it usually says the kind of device it has detected and so |
| 01:45.06 | jim | you don't have the source. |
| 01:45.11 | Atula | !sshd |
| 01:45.11 | Babbage | I guess he's complaining about nothing then |
| 01:45.16 | Atula | gmm |
| 01:45.22 | raf256 | jim: but the authors have bug tracing systems |
| 01:45.23 | Blackhold | usb.c : s not claimed by any active driver <-- when I plug the camera gives me that message |
| 01:45.42 | Atula | where to get info on how to get a ssh server running? |
| 01:45.44 | goobit | Blackhold, then go find /sys -iname 'usb' -type d |
| 01:45.55 | Atula | or is that automatic when I installed ssh? |
| 01:45.55 | comadreja | seems it is not being detected, no more messages ? |
| 01:45.59 | raf256 | Atula: just /init.d/ssh |
| 01:46.03 | raf256 | Atula: just /init.d/ssh start |
| 01:46.04 | goobit | Blackhold, find the node file of interest then cat it (eg; cat file) |
| 01:46.06 | caphuso | Atula: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 01:46.08 | Guerin | raf256: no. |
| 01:46.13 | Atula | ? |
| 01:46.19 | Atula | confused |
| 01:46.20 | Guerin | Atula: you were asked if you wanted to run one when you installed it. |
| 01:46.29 | Atula | I believe I did |
| 01:46.34 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.54 | Atula | Guerin: so I it's working as soon as I apt-get install ssh? |
| 01:47.04 | Guerin | Atula: did you tell it to? |
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| 01:47.09 | Atula | Guerin: yep |
| 01:47.18 | raf256 | Atula: connect to 127.0.0.1 and check |
| 01:47.22 | Guerin | Atula: then it's working. Test it with telnet localhost 22 |
| 01:47.22 | Atula | Guerin: sshd, right |
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| 01:47.28 | Blackhold | in /sys folder I have anything |
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| 01:48.51 | Atula | Guerin: I typed that into terminal... but it seems to be stuck |
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| 01:49.04 | Atula | is there a way to check the status? netstat -a|grep ssh? |
| 01:49.25 | caphuso | Atula: does it say "SSH-2.0-..."? |
| 01:49.26 | Guerin | Atula: what seems to be stuck? |
| 01:49.33 | Atula | SSH-2.0 |
| 01:49.40 | caphuso | then it works. hit enter |
| 01:49.54 | Guerin | Atula: if it doesn't say 'Connection refused' then you have a daemon listening on port 22, and chances are it's sshd |
| 01:49.57 | Blackhold | I've tiped dpkg -L usbutils |grep bin and apeared a little list |
| 01:50.03 | Atula | protocol mistmatch connection closed by foreign host |
| 01:50.07 | caphuso | ignore that |
| 01:50.11 | Guerin | Atula: success! |
| 01:50.16 | caphuso | that's because you weren't talking ssh to it |
| 01:50.25 | Atula | Guerin: what does that mean? haha |
| 01:50.38 | Guerin | Atula: you have a daemon listening on port 22, and chances are it's sshd |
| 01:50.41 | Guerin | err |
| 01:50.44 | caphuso | the absence of failure :-) |
| 01:50.46 | Guerin | and it is sshd |
| 01:50.56 | goobit | Blackhold, lsmod (uhci_hcd ohci_hcd ehci_hcd should be listed) |
| 01:50.57 | Atula | Guerin: so it means that I can ssh into my computer from other comps? |
| 01:50.58 | goobit | . |
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| 01:51.00 | goobit | Atula, its port 22 |
| 01:51.02 | goobit | netstat -plutn |grep 22 |
| 01:51.14 | Guerin | christ |
| 01:51.24 | Guerin | how did this get complicated? |
| 01:51.31 | Phated | It's hardly the stupid port that's the problem, is it. :| |
| 01:51.48 | Atula | Guerin: it's there! it's there... haha I'm jsut wondering what that means... |
| 01:51.48 | Atula | haha |
| 01:51.58 | Atula | just wanted an assurance |
| 01:52.14 | Atula | I will be able to ssh into my box from other comps? yes? |
| 01:52.22 | shingouz | yes |
| 01:52.23 | caphuso | Atula: try it |
| 01:52.29 | Blackhold | goobit, what I have to look? |
| 01:52.42 | Atula | ty |
| 01:52.43 | goobit | Blackhold, you have to read above..I already sai.. |
| 01:52.55 | Blackhold | usb-storage, usbcore |
| 01:53.03 | goobit | Atula, btw you can change the port, well known ports are known to have attacks.. |
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| 01:53.30 | goobit | Blackhold, that too.. |
| 01:53.34 | Blackhold | ah I have to look if one of these are actives? |
| 01:53.37 | Atula | goobit: where's the config file for ssh? |
| 01:53.39 | goobit | Blackhold, use grep |
| 01:53.46 | goobit | Atula, man sshd |
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| 01:53.51 | Atula | haha |
| 01:53.51 | Atula | k |
| 01:54.14 | goobit | Atula, that's a command |
| 01:54.38 | Blackhold | usbcore has something |
| 01:54.52 | goobit | Blackhold, ok what's using it? |
| 01:54.57 | Atula | goobit: got it... reading it now... configuring file |
| 01:55.27 | goobit | Atula, you can apply the same search rules as the less command |
| 01:55.36 | Atula | ? |
| 01:55.55 | goobit | Atula, '/' keywork , 'n' for next 'N" for previous 'q' is to quit.. |
| 01:56.00 | Blackhold | usbcore 52268 1 [usb-storage ehci-hcd usb-ohci] |
| 01:56.29 | Atula | goobit: thank you. I finally learned that the other day.... when about ten guys called me idiots... I get it all the time... still learning... |
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| 01:56.45 | goobit | Blackhold, i've got uhci_hcd ohci_hcd ehci_hcd , modprobe these just in case.. |
| 01:57.00 | Atula | goobit: I think I should pick up a linux book.... one of those "for dummies" yellow cover stuffs haha |
| 01:57.16 | Blackhold | modprobe ehci-hcd ? |
| 01:57.24 | goobit | Blackhold, and usbhid as well. |
| 01:57.26 | goobit | Blackhold, y |
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| 01:57.35 | crn | i'm trying a net install but the installer hangs on "Retrieving fdisk-udeb" |
| 01:57.36 | goobit | Blackhold, as root of course, which you should know do you? |
| 01:57.50 | Blackhold | it don't work :( |
| 01:57.59 | AigleDor | what is the equivalent of 'rpm -qa' in debian? |
| 01:58.00 | goobit | Blackhold, su <-/ |
| 01:58.01 | Blackhold | I'm executing a shell as root |
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| 01:58.27 | Blackhold | shit I haven't battery |
| 01:58.28 | Blackhold | :_ |
| 01:58.38 | Blackhold | well tomorrow I'll try again |
| 01:58.39 | Guerin | AigleDor: what does it DO? |
| 01:58.46 | goobit | Blackhold, /sbin/modprobe |
| 01:58.46 | Blackhold | now its 4 of morning |
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| 01:58.51 | Babbage | AigleDor> dpkg -l |
| 01:59.17 | jim | AigleDor: man rpm, look up -q and -a, man dpkg or dpkg --help, find potential equivalents, test |
| 01:59.26 | awj | Anyone here have experience with debian on amd64? |
| 01:59.36 | Guerin | awj: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:59.50 | awj | Hmm...didn't know that existed. Thanks |
| 01:59.58 | Blackhold | till tomorrow |
| 02:00.00 | Blackhold | see you |
| 02:00.13 | Babbage | I'm off also |
| 02:00.15 | goobit | Blackhold, haha..sony sucks battery.. |
| 02:01.17 | Blackhold | goobit, that's good |
| 02:01.36 | Blackhold | but I've some weeks that I haven't charged it |
| 02:01.48 | Blackhold | it dures about 150 hours |
| 02:01.52 | Blackhold | without charge it |
| 02:02.11 | goobit | Blackhold, did you know some people didn't know they can plug their acadapter while its charging? |
| 02:02.24 | goobit | Blackhold, and still make use of it? |
| 02:02.29 | Blackhold | uhm... |
| 02:02.37 | goobit | Blackhold, you're one of them! *lol* |
| 02:02.38 | jim | sometimes that's possible, sometimes not |
| 02:02.48 | jim | example... |
| 02:02.58 | Blackhold | but in instructions it says |
| 02:03.00 | jim | I have a 5-watt transceiver |
| 02:03.10 | Blackhold | that don't make photos when charging |
| 02:03.35 | Blackhold | well I go to sleep |
| 02:03.39 | jim | I can listen on the charger,,, but the charger doesn't have the current-handling capability to transmit |
| 02:03.44 | Blackhold | tomorrow I have a family luch |
| 02:03.55 | jim | good luch! |
| 02:04.12 | Blackhold | thanks |
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| 02:04.38 | Blackhold | I think I'll must to speak in english all the time |
| 02:04.53 | Blackhold | 'cause there's one australian |
| 02:04.54 | phorce1 | OK -- now back to basics - two systems latest sarge updates on both. Need to copy EVERYTHING in '/' (with the exception of /boot) from an old drive to the new system and end up with a still working new system that "looks like" the old one. No way to "easily" tar up '/' on the one system because the primary drive died and it is now booted and mounted using knoppix liveCD. |
| 02:05.02 | Blackhold | well good night |
| 02:05.06 | Blackhold | or good morning |
| 02:05.10 | Blackhold | lol |
| 02:05.26 | goobit | Blackhold, true australians don't know any english at all ! |
| 02:05.41 | goobit | Blackhold, just like here.. |
| 02:05.45 | goobit | Blackhold, in Canada.. |
| 02:05.47 | jim | fsvo english |
| 02:06.10 | goobit | Blackhold, we speak the "Canadian" language :) |
| 02:06.16 | K_Dallas | :) goobit what makes you say that? |
| 02:06.17 | jim | what some people don't realize is that language is used to communicate |
| 02:06.18 | phorce1 | do I boot the new system from Knoppix and mount the new / in a temp location? how can I copy everything across the network with no intermediate file save? (gigabit internal network so the copy will be just as fast as using an intermediate save) |
| 02:06.40 | K_Dallas | language is an organic tool, it changes, evolves etc nothing frozen |
| 02:06.46 | goobit | K_Dallas, because I think he should know I'm canadian that's all :) |
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| 02:06.53 | K_Dallas | ;) ok |
| 02:06.58 | K_Dallas | I AM CANADIAN |
| 02:07.06 | K_Dallas | no you know ;) |
| 02:07.09 | K_Dallas | now* |
| 02:07.11 | ryushe | can anyone offer any suggestions why after a new, clean install of sarge (linux26 option) USB doesn't seem to be working? |
| 02:07.18 | goobit | K_Dallas, Yes, to all Americans, we speak the "Canadian" language up here :) |
| 02:07.21 | caphuso | don't talk about canada when i'm awake, FFS |
| 02:07.29 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 02:07.51 | ryushe | Canada's motto: "We're bigger, and we're on top!" or so I am told ;) |
| 02:07.58 | goobit | just to let you know we speak "English" too ! :) and we pronounce "color" like British people ! |
| 02:08.10 | goobit | and spell it differntly too ! |
| 02:08.26 | Blackhold | goobit, I speak catalan |
| 02:08.34 | jim | ryushe: you tell us why... |
| 02:08.41 | goobit | ryushe, the North Wide Strong and Free. O Canada lala la la. we Stand on Guard of Theeee! |
| 02:08.46 | Blackhold | do you know that spanish language doesn't really exists? |
| 02:08.54 | ryushe | jim, euh? |
| 02:08.55 | Guerin | really |
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| 02:09.07 | Blackhold | spanish language means the language that is spelt in spain |
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| 02:09.09 | Guerin | that'll be news to a whole shitload of people in europe and latin america |
| 02:09.17 | Blackhold | but in spain is spoken almost 4 languages |
| 02:09.18 | caphuso | "our land reeks of trees, our yaks are very large and they smell like rotten beef carcasses" |
| 02:09.20 | ryushe | I'm asking you guys, if I knew what was wrong, I wouldn't be asking ... ;) |
| 02:09.30 | goobit | Blackhold, no, Because the British chased and killed off the last third of the west coast ! |
| 02:09.40 | Blackhold | castellano, galego, euskal and català |
| 02:09.44 | Guerin | Blackhold: shock horror! languages change on account of geographic and cultural distribution. |
| 02:09.55 | Guerin | film at 11 |
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| 02:10.34 | nsk | hi |
| 02:10.54 | Blackhold | well good night |
| 02:11.31 | nsk | I'm installing 3.1, I'm resizing a partition, it says "Hint: Use 20% for 20% of the available free space for this partition". What does this mean exactly? The partition is 40GB. |
| 02:11.51 | jim | ryushe: so we're at an impasse... you're not telling us details about your problem, and we can't help when there's such a complete lack of information |
| 02:12.10 | pablum | 40/5 == 8G |
| 02:12.19 | nvz | nsk: ENOTENOUGHINFO |
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| 02:12.37 | nsk | I have no more info, sorry. |
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| 02:12.57 | Azar | how can I found out what version of zlib I have after I installed the patch? |
| 02:12.57 | nvz | nsk: nobody can tell you what 20% of a 40GB's partitions freespace is without saying how much is used or free |
| 02:13.08 | jim | "I'm having a problem with my computer... any ideas?!?!??!" |
| 02:13.14 | nsk | I have no idea how much free space this 40GB partition has |
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| 02:13.26 | Azar | jim are you divorcing it? |
| 02:13.37 | nvz | nsk: then how much is used? |
| 02:13.37 | pablum | nsk, you can enter percentages if you don't want to enter an exact size of the partition you want to create. Like if you want an 8G partition in a 40G space, you enter 20% |
| 02:13.50 | pablum | that should be a qotd. |
| 02:13.56 | jim | I just can't make that decision! |
| 02:14.04 | nvz | pablum: thats not true. it said from available _FREE_ space |
| 02:14.10 | Guerin | Azar: if you don't know how to check the version of something, what makes you think you're qualified to patch your box? |
| 02:14.11 | Azar | jim , zlib --version would work? |
| 02:14.23 | ryushe | details so far: clean install of sarge using the linux26 option on a machine with an intel 82801AA USB controller. After plugging in a USB device (a mouse) it won't work, ie. the mouse does not light up (it's an optical one). On other machines using the same install method, USB works like a charm |
| 02:14.30 | jim | only if I paid it overtime... |
| 02:14.32 | nsk | I actually would like to check how much space is used or is free |
| 02:14.36 | Azar | Guerin, I did not patch sorry aid aptitude-update it |
| 02:14.49 | Guerin | Azar: dpkg -l zlib |
| 02:14.55 | Azar | thank you sir |
| 02:15.02 | Guerin | Azar: you didn't patch it - you upgraded |
| 02:16.25 | nvz | ryushe: load the uhci-hcd driver |
| 02:16.29 | pablum | nvz, ah, didn't cat that. nsk can remount it read only to 'df' it... |
| 02:16.35 | Azar | woof it seems I do not have it afterall |
| 02:16.37 | Atula | how do you get the lockscreen/screensaver to work? |
| 02:16.52 | pablum | s/cat/catch/ (although I spose it fits, too :) |
| 02:16.55 | nvz | Atula: man xscreensaver-command |
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| 02:17.23 | nvz | Atula: see also, perhaps xscreensaver-demo |
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| 02:17.48 | Atula | thanks |
| 02:17.55 | Guerin | ryushe: lsmod |grep hcd on a httpd |
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| 02:18.13 | Atula | nope |
| 02:18.27 | TestiCalls | how do i donwload tars to a directory, without X |
| 02:18.31 | Atula | none of those entries are there... maybe I should install xscreensaver? |
| 02:18.33 | Guerin | TestiCalls: man wget |
| 02:18.38 | nsk | I caannot resize my partition: I hit enter and it goes back a screen without writting anything to disk |
| 02:18.40 | TestiCalls | thanks |
| 02:18.42 | Guerin | Atula: what a shocking idea! |
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| 02:18.46 | ryushe | nvz and Guerin > the module was allready loaded |
| 02:19.15 | ryushe | stock install afaik makes sure both UHCI, OHCI and EHCI usb modules are loaded |
| 02:19.26 | nvz | ryushe: you are full of shit |
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| 02:19.27 | furrywolf | as a random guess, anything labled "cardbus" isn't going to work in this laptop, is it? :) |
| 02:19.31 | Guerin | ryushe: tail -f /var/log/dmesg ; plug in and out as many usb devices you have and see if they do anything |
| 02:19.32 | ryushe | ? |
| 02:19.38 | Guerin | furrywolf: why not? |
| 02:19.47 | furrywolf | Guerin: pentium/120? |
| 02:19.55 | Guerin | ryushe: what part of my instruction in unclear? |
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| 02:20.06 | Guerin | furrywolf: oh, i doubt that has a cardbus interface. |
| 02:20.15 | Guerin | furrywolf: i thought you means supported by software. |
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| 02:20.25 | furrywolf | my point exactly. not likely to work on this laptop. :) |
| 02:20.27 | Guerin | s/means/meant/ |
| 02:20.29 | Guerin | yeah |
| 02:20.30 | ryushe | the ? was referring to nvz Guerin |
| 02:20.52 | ryushe | and plugging the device in and out produces nothing in the lgos |
| 02:20.52 | furrywolf | which is a problem, as every single pcmcia usb adapter I can find on ebay is cardbus... |
| 02:20.53 | ryushe | logs |
| 02:20.53 | nvz | Guerin: that was likely response to calling his bluff on claiming that the Debian-Installer loads UHCI, OHCI and EHCI |
| 02:21.03 | JeffH | Anyone here setup libpam-mysql? I put the changes in /etc/pam.conf that the readme says to put in, but something still isn't right. |
| 02:21.10 | Guerin | well, uhci and ohci are mutually exclusive, so he's probably right |
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| 02:21.33 | ryushe | believe me, that's what lsmod | grep hcd gives me nvz |
| 02:21.37 | nsk | resizing partition seems to fail, how can I use a command prompt util exiting the installer, then go back to installer ? |
| 02:21.44 | Guerin | ryushe: that's possibly the problem, then. |
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| 02:22.20 | nvz | ryushe: so what, it doesnt mean the installer does that. at best it installs discover or hotplug , which when working properly should do no such thing |
| 02:22.47 | Guerin | ryushe: figure out whether your usb controller is o or u and remove the other module |
| 02:22.52 | Guerin | see if that fix0rz it |
| 02:22.55 | furrywolf | anyone have a non-cardbus usb adapter they want to sell? :) |
| 02:22.57 | ryushe | nvz, I finalized install as of 30 minutes ago, nothing else was added or changed since that time |
| 02:23.11 | ryushe | will do Guerin, brb |
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| 02:24.27 | JeffH | does pam put out any debug information I could use to determine why my setup isn't working? |
| 02:24.43 | Guerin | !log |
| 02:24.43 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 02:24.52 | nvz | thats reguardless of the fact the install doesn't load any of those modules. either modutils (because you told it to), discover, or hotplug load them.. and those two modules should never be loaded at the same time. so something fucked up.. figuring out what starts with not blaming the installer, which had nothing to do with it. |
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| 02:25.24 | furrywolf | perhaps he has ports of one type onboard, and ports of the other type on an adapter card? |
| 02:25.33 | Guerin | furrywolf: possible. |
| 02:25.47 | JeffH | am I wasting my time asking pam-mysql questions here? |
| 02:25.56 | Guerin | furrywolf: he specified that he had one, though. |
| 02:26.00 | ryushe | nvz, you tell me then what happened, all I did was install the damned box with the netinst cd, and downloaded the rest via apt. that's it so far |
| 02:26.13 | Guerin | JeffH: possibly. |
| 02:26.20 | stetyR | hi |
| 02:26.21 | furrywolf | I haven't been watching; I just saw the tail end of the discussion. :) |
| 02:26.25 | Guerin | JeffH: try #mysql also. |
| 02:27.07 | nvz | ryushe: you can start with what guerin said, then seeing about modutils, hotplug, discover..etc something is making a mistake. if you have no hotplug or discover, then you told modutils to load all of those modules, and its not suppose to |
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| 02:28.22 | ryushe | nvz, simply tell me this: how can I have told modutils to load all of those modules, if I got no conf options for it whatsoever, or touched /etc/modutils after install ... |
| 02:28.39 | Azar | anyone interested in an article about "make" derivatives and build tools? |
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| 02:29.06 | Guerin | bah, it's just hotplug/discover being overzealous ... nothing unusual. |
| 02:29.19 | furrywolf | hrmm. fips says you have to boot off a floppy and run it from there... but this laptop doesn't have, and can't have, a floppy! grr! |
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| 02:29.56 | Azar | Guerin I got lots of scans like 60/hour from chinse botnets, unusual high today |
| 02:30.06 | Guerin | Azar: run your sshd on 222 |
| 02:30.22 | Azar | ssh was sent home, I do not have it anymore |
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| 02:30.44 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:30.54 | Azar | no processes active anymore |
| 02:31.05 | hikenboot | hello I get the following error debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process...any ideas...how do i tell whats locking this file? |
| 02:31.11 | nvz | ryushe: modutils doesnt work like that, its /etc/init.d/modutils and it reads /etc/modules. and besides you are only hearind what you want. first fix the problem by unloading the other HCD driver you do not need, then narrow it down. |
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| 02:31.20 | phorce1 | OK, I'm seeing a lot of info in google about copying '/' from one drive to another if both drives are in one machine. But nothing about doing it across a network if you can't physically get both drives into the same machine. Ideas? |
| 02:31.45 | jim | phorce1: use a tar stream |
| 02:32.16 | furrywolf | phorce1: tar -cvzf - / | nc ..... nc | tar -xvzf - |
| 02:32.20 | ryushe | nvz, I AM hearing you, contrary to what you might think. Fixing the problem by unloading all HCD modules (which I just did) and then trying ehci, uchi and ohci seperate didn't work either |
| 02:32.21 | furrywolf | nc needs options, of course. |
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| 02:33.09 | ryushe | so back to the original question, what else can I try to see if it'll work? |
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| 02:33.52 | tunguru | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didnt help |
| 02:34.04 | phorce1 | tar man pages here I come thanks both of you. Both machines will be booted on knoppix with '/' nounted to temp locations. Just need to --exclude /boot |
| 02:34.21 | Azar | tunguru then maybe removing it and reinstalling might help |
| 02:34.28 | Stereo | would anyone know an elegant way of finding the most recent file in a directory, knowing the files are named after their creation date? |
| 02:34.40 | Azar | remove and purge |
| 02:34.58 | tunguru | i just install sarge kernel 2.6 and then did apt-get dist-upgrade using unstable, now i cant get startx to work, here's the log file if anyone can help, http://code.bulix.org/171 |
| 02:34.59 | furrywolf | Stereo: man ls. look at the options for sorting. | head -n 1 :) |
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| 02:35.19 | nvz | ryushe: you cannot have those all loaded |
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| 02:35.25 | tunguru | apt-get remove xfree86? |
| 02:35.36 | tunguru | icic, xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:35.43 | Azar | tunguru did you tried to get to X by F6 key? |
| 02:35.53 | tunguru | yeah, i tried that also |
| 02:36.03 | nvz | ryushe: ECHI is ONLY FOR USB 2.0 which your mouse is USB 1.1, and UHCI and OHCI are mutually exclusive, meaning they do not work when used together, your card uses one or the other |
| 02:36.22 | tunguru | looks like when i boot up the computer, it tries to startx automatically, about three times and then gives up |
| 02:36.26 | Azar | well then, mm remove it, and reinstall see if you got your video driver updated as well |
| 02:36.55 | Azar | tunguru, at bootup the X looks for some stuff, components, drivers that might be missing |
| 02:36.57 | laopa | The fonts in my system are rather unstable. I just changed the fontsize of a Konsole in root and my Konqueror fonts have all changed too. Any explanation for this? |
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| 02:38.33 | Azar | tunguru I am not sure which comes first: the video driver installation or X-Server but I guess you need to (re)install them both |
| 02:38.44 | ryushe | nvz, it seems you are not hearing me then. Let me explain again. After install doing lsmod | grep hcd returned both UCHI, OHCI and ECHI (and yes, I do know the differences between the three). I unloaded all of them, modprobed OHCI and UHCI seperatly, while tailing /var/log/messages and checking there to see if an entry was added after loading the module and plugging the mouse in and out. Neither with OHCI or UCHI do I get any reply from it./ |
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| 02:39.33 | tunguru | Azar: what folder can in find the driver in? |
| 02:39.55 | Azar | tunguru first you need to find which video card brand you use |
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| 02:40.43 | ryushe | Anyways, Geurin and nvz, thanks for the help so far. I'll have another look after some sleep. |
| 02:40.45 | Guerin | ryushe: have you tested this machine's usb and that particular mouse before? |
| 02:40.51 | trave11er | ryushe: does the command 'lspci -v | grep -i hci' return anything? |
| 02:41.03 | Guerin | ryushe: and one more thing: try booting with acpi=off |
| 02:41.11 | Guerin | some buggy acpi biosen break usb |
| 02:41.28 | Gnea | ryushe: is usbhid loaded? |
| 02:41.29 | Guerin | trave11er: we've been over this about 10 times |
| 02:41.33 | laopa | tunguru, you can't get a command-line screen even with ctrl-alt-f(1-6)? |
| 02:41.34 | ryushe | Guerin > yes, both the mouse and the USB subsystem worked before the install (under winxp that is) |
| 02:41.35 | Guerin | trave11er: see above for the response |
| 02:41.36 | trave11er | Guerin: oh ;-) |
| 02:41.47 | Guerin | ryushe: ok. Try the acpi thing. |
| 02:42.10 | abrocadabro | where can I get help for setting up a irc server? I went to irchelp but there was no one there |
| 02:42.11 | ryushe | will try, brb |
| 02:42.12 | tunguru | laopa: yea, i can get to all of those screens, im troubleshooting those screesn now |
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| 02:42.22 | ryushe | after that, I'm relly off to some sleep ;) |
| 02:42.24 | Guerin | wtf, debian.org is served off a dual p3-700 with 512 ram |
| 02:42.31 | ryushe | s/relly/really |
| 02:42.33 | phorce1 | furrywolf, jim, oops - opened my big mouth too soon. I have no idea what is available on knoppix. I will be manually assigning IP addresses to the two machines with ifconfig (no dhcp here). What the heck do I use as a transport for the tar stream between them? |
| 02:42.33 | Guerin | jeeeesus that thing must run hot |
| 02:42.44 | laopa | tunguru, then take a look at free86.0.log. |
| 02:42.46 | Gnea | abrocadabro: a lot of websites that explain it.. try searching google for "setup irc server" |
| 02:42.57 | reco_ | how can i install additional modules for apache 2? i installed apt-get apache2 but wemin sais i a missing mod-dav for example? |
| 02:42.57 | tunguru | Azar: ive one of those mini shuttle systems, onboard video, sk41g model, the built-on video is VIA Savage8, |
| 02:42.57 | Guerin | phorce1: nfs, ssh, anything you like. |
| 02:42.57 | tunguru | 8-32 MB VGA share memory |
| 02:43.14 | Guerin | phorce1: even putting the old hdd in the new machine would be doable |
| 02:43.28 | tunguru | laopa: i pasted the log file here http://code.bulix.org/171 |
| 02:43.38 | Azar | tunguru, hmmm never heard of the only I know are the popular ATI or Nvidia |
| 02:43.55 | laopa | tunguru, what about your XF86Config-4? |
| 02:43.56 | phorce1 | Guerin: not on these systems - sata only supports 2 drives and the new machine is a raid config using both. |
| 02:44.10 | Azar | tunguru if you do a modconf you get a chance to peek at all available brands for video section there |
| 02:44.21 | Gnea | ryushe: if you can cat /dev/input/mice and get garbage on the screen whenever you move the mouse around then it works |
| 02:44.55 | tunguru | laopa: yeah, the thing is it was working before, when i initial installed sarge, but then i change the sources.list to unstable and did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and that messed things up somehow |
| 02:45.35 | Azar | oooohhh ok then I am too noob to know what to tell you tunguru, sid is unknown to me |
| 02:45.41 | ryushe | back, changed a few things in the BIOS as well, such as IRQ assigning to USB devices, works now |
| 02:45.53 | ryushe | uchi is the only module loaded now too |
| 02:45.56 | tunguru | laopa: i did copy the XF86Config-4 file before to XF86Config-4.dist so i had a saved copy, ive already tried using the original XF86Config-4, that doesnt help neither |
| 02:45.56 | phorce1 | Guerin: I guess what I'm saying is .. I've used scp to transfer files from one place to another - but how does one stream through a pipe using ssh so that the output on the other end is opened by tar to the "right place" |
| 02:46.03 | Azar | I mean... I think sid breaks things very easily |
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| 02:46.07 | ryushe | both gpm and X now see the mouse |
| 02:46.25 | tunguru | Azar: where's modconf? |
| 02:46.41 | Guerin | phorce1: man ssh :) |
| 02:46.45 | ryushe | seems linux and windows both interpet the BIOS data supplied differently, not that that suprises me |
| 02:46.54 | Azar | tunguru, is a command but I doubt you could fix yoru video driver while you are running sid, ask a guru |
| 02:47.12 | Guerin | ryushe: oh yeah, that can do it. |
| 02:47.20 | phorce1 | Guerin: :-b |
| 02:47.30 | Guerin | Azar: please don't speculate on things you don't know anything about. |
| 02:47.55 | tunguru | Azar: okay, cool, whats do you mean running sid? |
| 02:47.55 | Guerin | phorce1: seriously - ssh will accept a data stream easy as pie |
| 02:48.00 | Azar | Guerin as I expected, you could help him |
| 02:48.01 | ryushe | hehe Guerin, thanks for all the help tho |
| 02:48.12 | Guerin | ryushe: yer welcome |
| 02:48.23 | ryushe | much appreciated |
| 02:48.35 | phorce1 | Guerin: I'm hung up on the word "stream". It's not in any man page out there so far. |
| 02:48.48 | Azar | tunguru I ran sid last year, everything went ok for a while then suddenly I started losing the desktop with no reason |
| 02:48.52 | phorce1 | (I already had man ssh open on another screen() |
| 02:48.53 | nvz | why would a new sarge install have tmpfs tmpfs 62M 4.0K 62M 1% /dev ?? the tmpfs tmpfs 62M 4.0K 62M 1% /dev/shm seems normal.. but I dont know wtf is up with the mount on /dev |
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| 02:48.57 | ryushe | now, sleep and more configurations to change to make this machine into a machine a windows user could get used to. |
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| 02:49.22 | tunguru | Azar: is sid an acronym? |
| 02:49.23 | caphuso | nvz: udev |
| 02:49.35 | Azar | tunguru , sid is the Debian unstable |
| 02:49.36 | nvz | caphuso: ah |
| 02:49.42 | tunguru | Azar: ahhh |
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| 02:49.58 | abrocadabro | phorce1: have you considered using netcat? |
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| 02:50.29 | Azar | for a useless fuckwit like me I can say about sid: shit happens |
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| 02:50.46 | trave11er | phorce1: type 'tar ssh' (without quotes) into google and hit i'm feeling lucky |
| 02:50.56 | phorce1 | abrocadabro: have to use whatever is pre-installed on knoppix. Don't even know if sshd is there actually |
| 02:51.41 | Guerin | phorce1: tar czf - | ssh user@host:/some/dir cat > badgers.tar.gz # untested |
| 02:51.44 | abrocadabro | phorce1: knoppix doesn't have ssh server pre-install |
| 02:51.46 | phorce1 | trave11er: Duhhh -- like I said. I hung on the word 'stream' and that was throwing me |
| 02:51.58 | abrocadabro | s/pre-install/pre-installed |
| 02:52.01 | Guerin | phorce1: knoppix does have a sshd installed, but i'm unsure if it's running by default |
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| 02:52.08 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:52.11 | Guerin | maybe i'm stupid |
| 02:52.11 | tunguru | Azar: now thinking about doing the entire sarge reinstall |
| 02:52.32 | Guerin | phorce1: oh |
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| 02:52.57 | Guerin | phorce1: tar / --exclude=somestufflike/proc czf - | ssh user@host:/some/dir cat > badgers.tar.gz # untested |
| 02:52.57 | phorce1 | Guerin: it's not running -- I just tried to hit one of the boxes from my desk and got a 'refused' error. That's why I wasn't sure if it was even there. The servers I need to work with are 50 feet from this workstation |
| 02:53.07 | tunguru | Azar: anyway, i need to take a break away from the computer for while, thanks |
| 02:53.08 | Guerin | phorce1: dpkg -l ssh |
| 02:53.55 | mne | hi there ! I'm running websvn for my svn repository. It works just fine except for the problem that it doesn't show the actual file content (thus the source code). Any hints ? |
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| 02:55.02 | abrocadabro | phorce1: have a look if netcat is installed by default, if it is, then try this: On one side: tar zcfp - /path/to/directory | nc -w 3 127.0.0.1 1234 , on the other side nc -l -p 1234 | tar xvfpz ? |
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| 02:55.58 | Azar | tunguru that is what I did in a final, I am too newbie to fiddle with sid |
| 02:56.39 | kyu | I've never actually used anything apart from unstable |
| 02:56.46 | kyu | Can't live without new software :/ |
| 02:57.13 | tunguru | kyu: im in the same boat, i like to use a lot of unstable s/w |
| 02:57.19 | ryushe | good luck setting up a secure production server with unstable then kyu ;) |
| 02:57.21 | jim | kyu: but you can live without lots of people you can ask questions of? :) |
| 02:57.37 | kyu | ryushe, i wouldn't use linux for such a task :) |
| 02:57.40 | tunguru | sid is fine for development machines |
| 02:58.01 | ryushe | kyu, point taken, I'd use OpenBSD :) |
| 02:58.02 | kyu | Or if i did i'd use gentoo or some such thing *ducks* |
| 02:58.10 | kyu | I'm more of a NetBSD man but hey |
| 02:58.18 | kyu | Open's package system is soooooooooo bad |
| 02:58.36 | kyu | What's their apache like? I've read a bit about it but never tried it |
| 02:59.00 | ryushe | 2.0.54 atm, and pretty standard |
| 02:59.05 | phorce1 | ok -- going to play in server room to see what knoppix has available. Thanks all |
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| 02:59.23 | jim | my guess is their apache is kinda like the apache written by apache programmers :) |
| 02:59.30 | kyu | What is knoppix anyway? Some kinda livecd? |
| 02:59.36 | Guerin | kyu: yeah. |
| 02:59.37 | dk0r_ | Anyone have a working XFree86 config for a 17" Powerbook (ati)? Cant get my display working & I think the values for my HorizSync nd VertSync parameters are incorrect. #debianpcc is dead |
| 02:59.40 | ryushe | hehe jim ;) |
| 02:59.45 | kyu | I've never in my entire life needed a livecd |
| 02:59.49 | kyu | What do you use it for? |
| 02:59.50 | kyu | :/ |
| 02:59.51 | phorce1 | (after installing netcat on this machine too check manpages for easier use than ssh) |
| 02:59.56 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 02:59.56 | dpkg | methinks hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:00.03 | jim | kyu: rescue for one |
| 03:00.03 | Guerin | !drxx dk0r_ |
| 03:00.05 | dpkg | dk0r_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:00.05 | ryushe | dk0r_ > take the one from the ubuntu live cd for PPC |
| 03:00.19 | dk0r_ | is it known to fix this issue? |
| 03:00.29 | nvz | this has pissed me off ever since I started using debian years ago.. why when I install ssh, and answer NO in debconf to running the SSHD, I still see the script starting, and I also see it in PS? |
| 03:00.33 | Guerin | dk0r_: just use hwinfo to find legitimate modelines |
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| 03:00.35 | dk0r_ | im green, and was getting help in #debianppc, so idk what im doing |
| 03:00.44 | dk0r_ | guerin: idk what u mean. sorry |
| 03:00.46 | ryushe | dk0r_ > I have no idea, but I think the basic values should work for you yes |
| 03:00.50 | kyu | nvz, so remove it from /etc/rc*.d and /etc/init.d? |
| 03:00.54 | Gnea | ok wth, firefox isn't printing anymore |
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| 03:00.56 | Guerin | kyu: nope. |
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| 03:01.11 | dk0r_ | ryushe: where can it be found? |
| 03:01.12 | mki4ok | hello |
| 03:01.13 | Guerin | nvz: does /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run exist? |
| 03:01.28 | Guerin | Gnea: xprint? |
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| 03:01.47 | ryushe | dk0r_ > it would require you to burn a live CD for ubuntu ppc and take it from there |
| 03:01.47 | Gnea | Guerin: nope |
| 03:02.00 | Guerin | dk0r_: just fucking use hwinfo |
| 03:02.03 | Guerin | christ |
| 03:02.04 | Gnea | er |
| 03:02.08 | dk0r_ | guerin: can u explain what u mean ? |
| 03:02.08 | Guerin | there's a hard way to do everything |
| 03:02.18 | dk0r_ | there a faq? |
| 03:02.19 | Guerin | dk0r_: /msg dpkg hwinfo |
| 03:02.30 | Guerin | dk0r_: aptitude install hwinfo ; man hwinfo |
| 03:03.00 | nvz | Guerin: actually, no it doesnt. though it should |
| 03:03.01 | ryushe | dk0r_ > thing is, most of the stuff ain't working too well on a powerbook, or so I found out when trying it a few monts ago |
| 03:03.02 | kyu | aptitude? Oh that ncruses thing? What's wrong with apt-get? |
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| 03:03.07 | kyu | curses, even |
| 03:03.10 | dk0r_ | ryushe: |
| 03:03.12 | dk0r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.18 | Guerin | nvz: if you're SURE you said that the ssh shouldn't be run, file a bug against the package |
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| 03:03.37 | Guerin | kyu: aptitude can work like apt-get, from the cli, but is smarter and better in general. |
| 03:03.40 | nvz | Guerin: I am pretty sure, I knew I was installing it just to use SSH and not SSHD |
| 03:03.47 | Guerin | kyu: it also has an interactive curses mode. |
| 03:03.47 | kyu | Smarter and better how? |
| 03:03.55 | mki4ok | hello people |
| 03:03.57 | Guerin | kyu: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 03:04.07 | kyu | I don't get along with dpkg |
| 03:04.07 | mki4ok | talk to debien |
| 03:04.11 | kyu | Mutual enemies |
| 03:04.13 | kyu | ;) |
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| 03:04.27 | nvz | Guerin: even when I know I am using sshd, I dont run it before configuration.. this has happened for years I've used debian and this bothered me, I just ignored it and hosed the daemon myself |
| 03:04.40 | Gnea | Guerin: nm, found it |
| 03:04.51 | kyu | I accidently hit on it's girlfriend (synaptic) and used gdb to remove her panties |
| 03:04.52 | Guerin | nvz: well, i run a sshd on all my boxen, so I've never experienced that |
| 03:04.55 | kyu | :/ |
| 03:05.25 | Guerin | synaptic is actually an apt-get front, nothing to do with aptitude |
| 03:05.35 | kyu | I know |
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| 03:08.50 | ke6isf | What's the difference between a 386 and 686 kernel package? |
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| 03:09.02 | jim | 300 |
| 03:09.26 | ke6isf | jim: Well, thank you, Mr. Clevertrousers! =^_^= |
| 03:09.28 | pipeline | ke6isf: If you don't know, don't worry about it. Both are fine. |
| 03:09.29 | ryushe | *grin* |
| 03:09.30 | cinix | hehe |
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| 03:09.59 | rixth | How do you stop Gnome from gourping items on the taskbar/ |
| 03:10.01 | jim | i386 ought to work with most intel cpus |
| 03:10.21 | rixth | grouping* |
| 03:10.23 | ke6isf | I take it that it's just a platform optimization or something? |
| 03:10.29 | green_earz | ke6isf: the 686 is for the pentum 3 |
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| 03:10.55 | jim | yeah, i386 is, for most cases, the LCD |
| 03:10.56 | Guerin | hrm, uzbekistan is pretty fucked up nowadays |
| 03:10.57 | pipeline | green_earz, ke6isf : No. Don't make crap up. 686 is for pentium pro, celeron, pentium II, athlon ... |
| 03:11.11 | Guerin | christ |
| 03:11.17 | Guerin | not this fucking shit again |
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| 03:11.39 | NOthsouth | hello |
| 03:11.39 | Guerin | how fucking hard is it to just read the 686 factoid before spouting uninformed bullshit about cpu types? |
| 03:11.40 | ke6isf | Guerin: What? I thought the answers were correct, just wanted to be sure... |
| 03:11.45 | Guerin | it's not rocket science, people |
| 03:11.47 | hendry | what file do i edit to make debian load certain kernel modules on startup? |
| 03:11.47 | Guerin | !686 |
| 03:11.47 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 03:12.04 | NOthsouth | what is the name of linux program like Dreamweaver.. |
| 03:12.09 | Guerin | green_earz: i'm talking to you. |
| 03:12.12 | Guerin | NOthsouth: emacs |
| 03:12.13 | NOthsouth | vmu? vum.. i can`t remember |
| 03:12.18 | Guerin | nvu |
| 03:12.26 | ryushe | NOthsouth > bluefish comes close maybe |
| 03:12.33 | ryushe | altho I never use it |
| 03:12.47 | green_earz | Guerin: what ? |
| 03:12.48 | jim | hendry: you can run modconf |
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| 03:12.58 | NOthsouth | Guerin, yes.. nvu |
| 03:12.59 | Guerin | green_earz: read the damn 686 factoid, svp. |
| 03:13.01 | NOthsouth | thx you |
| 03:13.07 | Guerin | !thx |
| 03:13.07 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 03:13.18 | jim | or try editing /etc/modules |
| 03:13.18 | goobit | I've updated a master link for alternatives, how do I create a symlink ; for eg: I want editor in the $PATH, what is there besides symlinking a file in /usr/local/bin I can do? |
| 03:13.34 | Guerin | goobit: man update-alternatives |
| 03:13.37 | mne | can anyone help me with a websvn problem ? |
| 03:13.39 | goobit | is this called a slave link? |
| 03:13.44 | Guerin | goobit: update-alternatives will create the symlink |
| 03:13.45 | green_earz | Guerin: its sounds like you are factoid |
| 03:13.51 | ke6isf | !symlink |
| 03:13.51 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
| 03:13.53 | kyu | goobit, edit your path ;)) |
| 03:14.04 | goobit | Guerin, ln -s /etc/alternatives/editor . |
| 03:14.07 | Guerin | green_earz: it sounds like you're an uninformed fucktard, but that doesn't seem to stop you. |
| 03:14.16 | ke6isf | goobit: link -s /path/to/file/you/are/linking [linkname] |
| 03:14.16 | goobit | Guerin, did it in /usr/local/bin.. |
| 03:14.19 | kyu | muhaha |
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| 03:14.26 | Stereo | symlinking is ln -s source target - why do people get confused? |
| 03:14.33 | jim | another rule of thumb... don't step on fingers, then thumb will be only thing left! |
| 03:14.40 | Withdraw | how do i find out what my initrd image is? |
| 03:14.43 | goobit | symlink /usr/local/bin/editor points to /etc/alternatives/editor.. |
| 03:14.53 | kyu | Stereo, i've no idea, but you've never forgotten at 3:00am and quickly had to check the man page? :) |
| 03:14.55 | jim | Withdraw: ls /boot |
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| 03:15.02 | rixth | Withdraw: take a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:15.16 | kelv | or /etc/lilo.conf |
| 03:15.18 | Stereo | kyu: not for ln. For tar, a couple of times. |
| 03:15.21 | goobit | ke6isf, its ln, not link |
| 03:15.29 | ke6isf | goobit: My bad. =O.o= |
| 03:15.32 | jim | (assuming you installed a kernel-image package built with --initrd) |
| 03:15.47 | kyu | tar is easier to remember the format for than ln is for me, not sure why... ;) |
| 03:15.52 | goobit | Guerin, do I look at it as the slave link? |
| 03:16.02 | hendry | jim: modconf isn't on my system |
| 03:16.09 | goobit | Guerin, is this the slave link? ->/usr/local/bin/editor that I can create? |
| 03:16.09 | Withdraw | kewl thanks rixth |
| 03:16.18 | jim | hendry: apt-get install modconf |
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| 03:16.39 | kyu | hendry, earlier i installed a new kernel, and wanted my system to load the neofb module at boot time, so i simply did: echo 'neofb' >> /etc/modules |
| 03:16.40 | goobit | the manpage is very clear except for the slave link |
| 03:16.40 | kyu | and it works |
| 03:16.42 | kyu | :) |
| 03:16.53 | goobit | trying to create a slave link without successs.. |
| 03:17.19 | goobit | the master link was updated fine without problem.. |
| 03:17.25 | goobit | --config shows it properly.. |
| 03:17.26 | Stereo | kyu: you mean you remember tar's baroque option scheme? |
| 03:17.33 | Guerin | goobit: i've never used link groups or slave links, and i cba rtfming now. |
| 03:17.39 | Guerin | sorry. |
| 03:17.44 | kyu | It's not very hard, mostly i work with bz2 files only |
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| 03:18.04 | kyu | tar -cvjpf Backup.tbz2 /list/of/dirs |
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| 03:18.07 | kyu | ;) |
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| 03:18.55 | kyu | I use it more often than ln, so it's going to be easier to remember though |
| 03:20.01 | Stereo | what does p do? |
| 03:20.15 | jim | man tar find -p |
| 03:20.17 | kyu | Keeps permissions |
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| 03:20.26 | Stereo | ah |
| 03:20.29 | jim | among other things... read :() |
| 03:20.42 | Guerin | tar is the shit |
| 03:20.45 | Stereo | will do |
| 03:20.53 | fpmc | Hi, I seem to have a problem with my PCMCIA network card. I set up the card so it works fine with ifup/ifdown, but I can't get cardmgr to properly run ifup/ifdown when the card is inserted/ejected. In particular, "cardctl reset" gives the error "ioctl(): Function not implmeneted" |
| 03:20.56 | jim | then tar can stink! |
| 03:20.59 | Stereo | I still wonder why they chose j for bzip2 |
| 03:21.14 | jim | nothing much else available |
| 03:21.15 | Guerin | Stereo: b was taken |
| 03:21.16 | kyu | Because it was free? ;) |
| 03:21.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:21.23 | goobit | Guerin, I've tried two ways without the master labelname and with just appending arguments of --slave etc etc.. no success I'm hoping to do it swiftly without manually doing (ln in /usr/local/bin to the /etc/alternatives ) directory |
| 03:21.29 | Stereo | yeah, I suppose |
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| 03:21.41 | Stereo | and they say unix isn't user-friendly.. |
| 03:21.49 | kyu | linux isn't unix |
| 03:21.51 | fpmc | anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 03:22.09 | Stereo | it's gnu, actually |
| 03:22.17 | Stereo | and they say gnu isn't user-friendly.. |
| 03:22.22 | Stereo | sparc laptops? |
| 03:22.24 | jim | the problem might be the zerbits don't contact the skin good enough! |
| 03:22.31 | kelv | kyu : sparc laptop? |
| 03:22.31 | concept10 | Has anyone tried to compile or use the Red Hat NetworkManager on Debian? http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/index.html |
| 03:22.32 | kyu | Yeah, they're called tadpoles |
| 03:22.36 | kyu | google it |
| 03:22.37 | Stereo | someone made sparc laptops? |
| 03:22.42 | kyu | Indeed. |
| 03:22.51 | Stereo | whoa |
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| 03:23.11 | Stereo | and they don't look ugly either |
| 03:23.13 | Stereo | cool |
| 03:23.14 | kyu | http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/ |
| 03:23.19 | nvz | whats "filtered" mean in an nmap tcp port scan? |
| 03:23.23 | kyu | Currently running solaris 10 |
| 03:23.26 | goobit | fpmc, use /etc/init.d/networking start/stop/restart dont use ifup ifdown |
| 03:23.30 | jim | not unfiltered? |
| 03:23.33 | nvz | heh |
| 03:23.46 | nvz | but does it mean something is listening on the system? |
| 03:23.50 | kyu | Considering putting opensolaris.org on it |
| 03:23.51 | goobit | fpmc, lsmod |grep pcmcia <-the mod needs to be loaded.. |
| 03:23.53 | rixth | nvz, means it's 'stealthed' |
| 03:23.55 | caphuso | nvz: it means badly firewalled |
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| 03:24.18 | kyu | It means some connections are allowed no? Like from certain domains or w/e |
| 03:24.18 | nvz | ah. heh |
| 03:24.19 | tunguru | kyu: did you use to run debian? |
| 03:24.28 | kelv | kyu : omg they have dual processor on a laptop... |
| 03:24.37 | nvz | caphuso: does it also imply that there is a listening service or not at all? |
| 03:24.37 | fpmc | goobit: it is loaded (pcmcia_core, ds, yenta_socket) |
| 03:24.39 | rixth | !omg |
| 03:24.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 03:24.40 | kyu | tunguru, on the lappy? nope |
| 03:24.47 | kyu | Netbsd and solaris only |
| 03:24.49 | caphuso | nvz: can't tell |
| 03:24.52 | furrywolf | some of those wouldn't be called "laptops" by any normal definition. long live the luggable! |
| 03:24.54 | goobit | fpmc, see a # in col 2, if its used.. |
| 03:24.56 | nvzn | hey can someone give me an example of mkinitrd syntax for a new kernel please |
| 03:24.57 | nvz | caphuso: ok |
| 03:25.01 | jetx | hey fuckin windows has the ability to deny root access to a fat32 drive! it names directories similar to: $win_nt$.~bt and i can't get in it except by changing the name of the dir??? |
| 03:25.22 | goobit | nvz, there's a cute tool for it, i forget the package name though.. |
| 03:25.25 | jetx | and i own it! |
| 03:25.29 | fpmc | goobit: the problem is not whether I use /etc/init.d/networking or not, it's that I can't get any script to run when pcmcia card is plugged in |
| 03:25.31 | caphuso | jetx: what's the problem? |
| 03:25.33 | jim | nvzn: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 03:25.33 | goobit | nvzn, there's a cute tool for it, i forget the package name though.. |
| 03:25.35 | fpmc | goobit: sorry, what about "#"? |
| 03:25.43 | nvzn | ah ok thanks jim |
| 03:25.43 | Guerin | filtering is what isps often do |
| 03:25.52 | fpmc | goobit: nevermind, it's 60484, how do I tell if it's used? |
| 03:25.53 | goobit | fpmc, column 2 |
| 03:25.55 | jetx | caphuso: why does that naming schema deny root access to the directory |
| 03:26.00 | Guerin | to block netbios over public links, etc. |
| 03:26.03 | jim | nvzn: then install the resulting kernel... it will create an initrd.img in /boot |
| 03:26.05 | caphuso | jetx: why do you think it does? |
| 03:26.08 | nvz | Guerin: yeah, they are blockign netbios |
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| 03:26.14 | kyu | my isp filters ssh, so i can't get at my machines normally |
| 03:26.18 | Guerin | nvz: very sensible. |
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| 03:26.21 | kyu | I had to bind ssh to 443, hehe |
| 03:26.24 | jetx | caphuso: because i am sitting here looking at it do it |
| 03:26.30 | jharrison | kyu: run it on a different port |
| 03:26.30 | caphuso | jetx: *sigh* |
| 03:26.32 | Guerin | kyu: not exactly hard to circumvent |
| 03:26.33 | nvzn | jim but it took too long to build this kernel, and now that its done i think i can accomplish the mission with mkinitrd <flags? |
| 03:26.38 | jetx | wtf do you think |
| 03:26.42 | caphuso | jetx: sorry, i'm not in the mood for guess work |
| 03:26.43 | jetx | no offense |
| 03:26.44 | kyu | Which also works in college because they block outbound anyway |
| 03:26.49 | jim | man mkinitrd |
| 03:26.55 | fpmc | goobit: there's a script in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts that runs ifup/ifdown to start up the network card when it's inserted/rejected, but that script is obviously not running |
| 03:26.57 | nvzn | yeah i've done that many times |
| 03:26.57 | caphuso | jetx: go solve your own problems if you can't be bothered to explain them properly |
| 03:27.02 | nvzn | but i can never get it right |
| 03:27.03 | jim | the syntax for any command is in SYNOPSIS section |
| 03:27.07 | Guerin | kyu: then again, my isp thought i hadn't paid them, so they poisoned my dns and redirected all outbound traffic on 80 to their gateway |
| 03:27.10 | goobit | nvzn, your settings are in /boot/config* silly dilly |
| 03:27.16 | jetx | what to guess caphuso: i'm reporting observed behavior. root is being denied access to a directory named $win_nt$.~bt . |
| 03:27.25 | Guerin | kyu: my own nameserver and squid box later... |
| 03:27.27 | goobit | fpmc, you run the service script, not the elements |
| 03:27.29 | caphuso | jetx: if root is being denied, then there's some fucking error message |
| 03:27.34 | jetx | on a vfat drive properly mounted with me as the owner |
| 03:27.35 | ethics | whats the name of the ext for windows driver explore something or other? |
| 03:27.36 | caphuso | jetx: which you need to tell us about |
| 03:27.37 | kyu | Damn |
| 03:27.38 | Atula | where are my fonts located? |
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| 03:27.41 | caphuso | jetx: now get damn clue |
| 03:27.44 | Guerin | Atula: locate .ttf |
| 03:27.48 | kyu | Atul, /usr/lib/X11/fonts? |
| 03:27.49 | Atula | thanks |
| 03:27.51 | fpmc | goobit: what do you mean? |
| 03:27.53 | goobit | fpmc, stick with the front ends or unless you know what ifup and ifdown exactly do.. |
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| 03:28.05 | goobit | in which you don't obviously.. |
| 03:28.18 | tunguru | where does debian store all the .deb packages locally on your computer when you do an apt-get install? |
| 03:28.27 | SDFH_Linux | i updated using apt-get now i cannot get it to boot up |
| 03:28.27 | caphuso | tunguru: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:28.29 | goobit | fpmc, are you debugging the script or hacking the kernel ? |
| 03:28.30 | poncha | what is it i can try if neither exps2 nor imps2 nor autops2 types not making my mouse behave normally? (neither on gpm nor on X native drivers). the mouse pointer only moves vertically. mouse is ms explorer 4.0a |
| 03:28.31 | kyu | tunguru /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:28.33 | Guerin | tunguru: locate .deb |
| 03:28.34 | SDFH_Linux | did gcc 4.0 do this? |
| 03:28.38 | goobit | fpmc, if you're debugging the script, learn bash |
| 03:28.41 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: no. |
| 03:28.52 | kyu | I've not used gcc4 for anything yet, although it's installed |
| 03:28.54 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: wtf would gcc have to do with your boot sequence? |
| 03:28.56 | kyu | What like? |
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| 03:29.02 | Guerin | kyu: anal |
| 03:29.11 | kyu | well .0 of anything usually is |
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| 03:29.41 | jetx | caphuso: ok i didn't esc the reserved chars |
| 03:29.47 | jetx | i love you man |
| 03:29.49 | fpmc | goobit: can you please do not sound so condescending. I may not have accentuated my point clearly, but I don't see how my question has anything to do with my understanding of ifup/ifdown or script debugging..... |
| 03:29.49 | reda | what is the location of sshd logs? |
| 03:29.55 | kyu | red /var/log? |
| 03:29.56 | kyu | ;) |
| 03:29.59 | Guerin | !log |
| 03:29.59 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
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| 03:30.12 | mmiikkee12 | wtf? |
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| 03:30.14 | SDFH_Linux | all i know is that my xwindows doesnt boot now Guerin |
| 03:30.17 | Guerin | auth.log is the log which shows logins, etc. |
| 03:30.19 | reda | :D |
| 03:30.19 | goobit | fpmc, well you are! i say one thing and you do the other, the least I can say is rtfm! |
| 03:30.23 | fpmc | goobit: If I shall rephrase, I just spent some time figuring out how pcmcia-cs works, and it says in the HOW-TO that there's some configuration scripts. But the scripts are not running |
| 03:30.41 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: x windows never boots. Apart from the fact that x windows doesn't exist, and never has. |
| 03:30.42 | fpmc | goobit: what did I do against what you said? Sorry I mght have missed it? |
| 03:30.42 | goobit | fpmc, then fix the run-to scripts |
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| 03:30.53 | fpmc | goobit: what run-to scripts? |
| 03:30.54 | mlalkaka | hi all |
| 03:31.03 | kyu | I never had a problem with pcmcia on debian, everything works automagically on my x86 lappy |
| 03:31.04 | goobit | fpmc, if the scripts don't run then there's a reason why they're not running! |
| 03:31.06 | nvz | whats a good site for interpreting open ports.. he has 4 of them open, and only one I know what its for.. which is the 113 ident port |
| 03:31.07 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:31.12 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: what error do you get when trying to start x? |
| 03:31.16 | SDFH_Linux | ok eh my gui wont boot |
| 03:31.18 | mlalkaka | does anyone use Enlightenment on debian here? |
| 03:31.19 | kyu | And i've never needed to eject a card while the system is live either ;) |
| 03:31.23 | Guerin | GUI DOES NOT BOOT |
| 03:31.30 | Guerin | OS BOOTS |
| 03:31.33 | SDFH_Linux | oppd |
| 03:31.36 | fpmc | goobit: yes, and I suggested that one way of running it, which is by using "cardctl reset", generates a ioctl error |
| 03:31.37 | SDFH_Linux | heheh |
| 03:31.40 | mmiikkee12 | how do I install Debian 3.1 with the ISOs on my hard drive? |
| 03:31.44 | goobit | fpmc, and btw ->http://debian.org/doc there are better docs for pcmcia for debian here.. |
| 03:31.54 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: so why doesn't it start? |
| 03:31.54 | reda | can I find failed (ssh) login attemps in /var/log/auth.log |
| 03:31.59 | cheal | mmiikkee12: burn them, boot the CDs? |
| 03:32.02 | SDFH_Linux | checking now hold a sec |
| 03:32.02 | kyu | Guerin, what are you talking about? :) |
| 03:32.08 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: With great difficulty. |
| 03:32.09 | SDFH_Linux | so i can tell you |
| 03:32.12 | mmiikkee12 | I can't burn CD's... |
| 03:32.12 | poncha | mmiikkee12 well you have to burn them to the CDs |
| 03:32.13 | nvz | Guerin: of course you know, in Soviet Russia, PC boots _YOU_ |
| 03:32.13 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: try booting it using qemu? |
| 03:32.20 | goobit | mmiikkee12, in your case, burn the system, then come back here |
| 03:32.22 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Try using floppy images? |
| 03:32.25 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:32.29 | Guerin | !irritate kyu |
| 03:32.29 | dpkg | kyu: HELP ME!!! who uses sound plz msg me, marcel |
| 03:32.32 | jetx | nvz: grc.com functions |
| 03:32.58 | mmiikkee12 | then I wouldn't have a computer to install Debian on |
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| 03:33.13 | poncha | !irritate ms intellimouse explorer 4.0a |
| 03:33.13 | dpkg | ms intellimouse explorer 4.0a: hi every1 who uses dvd plz msg me, sorsis |
| 03:33.21 | poncha | hehe |
| 03:33.22 | Atula | darn it I still can't set path |
| 03:33.23 | mmiikkee12 | ke6isf: what floppy images? |
| 03:33.29 | Guerin | Atula: why not? |
| 03:33.32 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: The netinst floppy images. |
| 03:33.33 | goobit | mmiikkee12, ->http://debian.org/doc and look for the dvd link, I hear dvd isoz are easier to work with |
| 03:33.35 | Guerin | Atula: i told you how yesterday. |
| 03:33.50 | mmiikkee12 | my modem doesn't work in Linux... |
| 03:33.53 | fpmc | goobit: I've read them... One line in particualr points out the usage of cardctl, and I find out my cardctl is not working... that's why I come on this channel |
| 03:33.55 | SDFH_Linux | ok Guerin it says many things but |
| 03:34.03 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Then get a better modem? |
| 03:34.09 | SDFH_Linux | failed to initialize core devices |
| 03:34.10 | mmiikkee12 | can't... |
| 03:34.11 | goobit | poncha, try a mouse config tool -- apropos is a life saver .. |
| 03:34.14 | Guerin | !prize ke6isf |
| 03:34.24 | dystopian | nvz, still need that site for ports? |
| 03:34.25 | mmiikkee12 | my ISP only lets me use their modems |
| 03:34.29 | ke6isf | Just what I've always wanted... |
| 03:34.30 | kyu | !slap kyu |
| 03:34.32 | mmiikkee12 | which are all winmodems |
| 03:34.33 | nvz | jetx: I really dont think thats what I am looking for |
| 03:34.33 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: get a better isp |
| 03:34.35 | mlalkaka | i have a problem. in debian, the enlightenment program menus all have associated icons with the menu items. but the debian menu is so large that some menu items do not show up on the screen because the icons are so large. how can i disable the icons that are show on the enlightenment menus? |
| 03:34.35 | nvz | dystopian: yep |
| 03:34.36 | kyu | No way, haha |
| 03:34.37 | Azar | hmm if I use links to connect to a site, how can I check netstat to see how the connection looks like? use another terminal? |
| 03:34.42 | goobit | fpmc, now what are you doing, you think you're so smart eh? |
| 03:34.42 | SDFH_Linux | Guerin failed to initialize core devices |
| 03:34.43 | dystopian | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 03:34.47 | mmiikkee12 | I wish... |
| 03:34.48 | poncha | goobit 'mouseconfig' ? |
| 03:34.51 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: i hope you don't have to pay for that shit. |
| 03:34.53 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: And why, pray tell, are you using a modem if you're on an ADSL? |
| 03:34.54 | goobit | fpmc, how do you know it has anything to do with the script that's the problem? |
| 03:34.56 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: which device? |
| 03:35.04 | mmiikkee12 | ADSL. |
| 03:35.05 | Guerin | ke6isf: pppoe |
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| 03:35.10 | mmiikkee12 | a DSL modem |
| 03:35.10 | SDFH_Linux | no core pointer |
| 03:35.14 | ke6isf | Oh, right. |
| 03:35.17 | goobit | fpmc, what indicates that the script has anything to do with your problem? |
| 03:35.17 | poncha | goobit does it autodetect the mouse or lets me select smth? :) |
| 03:35.21 | SDFH_Linux | seems like my x server is not working |
| 03:35.24 | SDFH_Linux | at all |
| 03:35.25 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: got a mouse plugged in? |
| 03:35.26 | ke6isf | OK, get a better ISP. |
| 03:35.29 | goobit | poncha, look into gpm binaries |
| 03:35.30 | SDFH_Linux | its a laptop |
| 03:35.33 | fpmc | goobit: which script? |
| 03:35.39 | goobit | poncha, dpkg -L is your tool |
| 03:35.43 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: I recommend Speakeasy. http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/10577 |
| 03:35.44 | SDFH_Linux | it was working great till i updated |
| 03:35.45 | mmiikkee12 | it's the only one with dsl service in my area. |
| 03:35.45 | Guerin | !drxx SDFH_Linux |
| 03:35.46 | dpkg | SDFH_Linux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:35.50 | kyu | SDFH_Linux, have you checked out your XF86Config? |
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| 03:35.53 | poncha | goobit doesn't dpkg-reconfigure gpm run it ? |
| 03:35.54 | SDFH_Linux | k i try that |
| 03:35.56 | SDFH_Linux | brb |
| 03:36.04 | Atula | Guerin: I used the export PATH=~/bin:$PATH thing... it worked for the terminal I typed that in... but would not work anymore after I exit the terminal... I tried to fix .bash_profile to make it permanent... but it did not work |
| 03:36.10 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: make sure /dev/psaux is selected, and make sure psmouse module is loaded (presuming 2.6 kernel) |
| 03:36.11 | kyu | I think most 'built in' lappy mice are ps/2 |
| 03:36.17 | Guerin | Atula: no shit. |
| 03:36.23 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: If Bellsouth can get there, Speakeasy can get there. |
| 03:36.30 | Guerin | Atula: then you didn't set it right in bashrc |
| 03:36.30 | goobit | poncha, dunno |
| 03:36.38 | Azar | jim how can I visualise a connection using netstat while browsing with links in console ? |
| 03:36.46 | kyu | Atula, use tcsh!!! |
| 03:36.47 | kyu | ;) |
| 03:36.47 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: i'd rather use dialup than crippled shiteware dsl |
| 03:37.01 | goobit | Azar, ugly as it is, you can set the interval, its better to use tcpdump |
| 03:37.02 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: then again, i'd probably find a way of haxx0ring it to work with linux |
| 03:37.05 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Go to the website, fill out the form.. |
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| 03:37.12 | mmiikkee12 | doing that now |
| 03:37.20 | fpmc | goobit: FYI, I do not think I'm smart, at least not in the regards of Linux or hardware related issues. That's why I come here to see if other smart people can help me... |
| 03:37.22 | caphuso | kyu: yeah, replace a lesser shell with an even more lesser one ;) |
| 03:37.29 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Besides, I'll bet five bucks that Bellshite foists their support to Bangladesh. |
| 03:37.36 | Azar | goobit, I would not mind the looks of it if I only knew how to to that |
| 03:37.41 | goobit | fpmc, well you can at least tell me why you think your scripts are *wrong* |
| 03:37.45 | kyu | caphuso, errm.. What's wrong with tcsh? |
| 03:37.49 | dystopian | Bellsouth is the worst. |
| 03:37.53 | caphuso | kyu: uh, a lot of things |
| 03:37.56 | goobit | Azar, "interval" rtfm |
| 03:37.59 | kyu | What's better? |
| 03:37.59 | kyu | ;) |
| 03:38.02 | ke6isf | Bellsouth is SBC now, isn't it? |
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| 03:38.09 | kyu | If you say zsh i'm gonna die |
| 03:38.10 | Guerin | everyone knows caphuso uses zsh |
| 03:38.11 | goobit | I love that word :) |
| 03:38.12 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:38.14 | Azar | hey thanks for the bone goobit :) |
| 03:38.17 | caphuso | most prominently, there's absolutely no reason to use it |
| 03:38.23 | caphuso | not a single one |
| 03:38.27 | dystopian | I've worked next to some of their guys... and it was eye opening. |
| 03:38.46 | kyu | I've always used the c shells, always will.... |
| 03:38.46 | Atula | kyu: why tcsh? |
| 03:38.55 | fpmc | goobit: probably we have a misunderstanding. The script (in networks.opts, default ones) should not be wrong. I know they're not running becuase if they are, then ifup would've been run and that would "turn on" my network card (excuse my lack of verb). |
| 03:39.01 | Atula | I thought xterm is good... I think it's good. |
| 03:39.03 | kyu | Atula, because bash is gay :/ |
| 03:39.10 | kyu | Atula, errrr? |
| 03:39.13 | Guerin | !gay |
| 03:39.13 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 03:39.15 | mmiikkee12 | great, so how much is it? |
| 03:39.16 | Guerin | really? |
| 03:39.19 | Guerin | a shell can be gay? |
| 03:39.26 | mmiikkee12 | !log |
| 03:39.26 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 03:39.30 | goobit | fpmc, so if your scripts are not wrong wtf are you telling me "line this" blah. |
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| 03:39.35 | nvzn | mkinitrd [-k] [-d confdir] [-m command] -o outfile [-r root] [version] |
| 03:39.38 | mmiikkee12 | that's my favorite... :) |
| 03:39.45 | mmiikkee12 | !a |
| 03:39.45 | dpkg | [a] UK's best rock band :) |
| 03:39.45 | SDFH_Linux | Guerin it didnt work |
| 03:39.46 | ke6isf | kyu: Something about you we don't know? |
| 03:39.50 | kyu | Guerin, yeah, it constantly comes onto me, wagging it's tail and looking at me with those big round eyes |
| 03:39.51 | SDFH_Linux | still same probalme |
| 03:39.53 | nvzn | so does [version] mean my vmlinuz-<kernel> |
| 03:39.55 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 03:39.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:39.57 | SDFH_Linux | problem* |
| 03:39.59 | mmiikkee12 | !slap dpkg |
| 03:39.59 | Gnea | kyu: list 10 things about bash that tcsh does better. |
| 03:40.01 | liable | SDFH_Linux: you're obviously using sid, if you have gcc-4.0. You just upgraded. Now xserver is broken. Do you know what packeges were upgraded, and have you checked bts? |
| 03:40.06 | mmiikkee12 | lol XD |
| 03:40.14 | fpmc | goobit: After editing the script for quite a while, I find that no matter what I do there's no change to the system. So I ran "cardctl reset" which should run the script, but instead it crashes imeediatley and generate a message "ioctl(): Function not implmeneted" |
| 03:40.15 | SDFH_Linux | what is bts Guerin? |
| 03:40.17 | goobit | fpmc, maybe you should go back to read the manual on what that script really does, hmmm, rtfm! ? |
| 03:40.21 | mmiikkee12 | dpkg just slapped himself... |
| 03:40.25 | Guerin | !btssmite SDFH_Linux |
| 03:40.27 | ke6isf | !bts |
| 03:40.27 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:40.33 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 03:40.33 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:40.39 | SDFH_Linux | can i take off gcc 4.0 |
| 03:40.43 | mmiikkee12 | !no |
| 03:40.44 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 03:40.45 | goobit | fpmc, ah you even edited, so how the hell can I help homebrewers who get stuck in their own hacking |
| 03:40.48 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: why the fuck are you running sid? |
| 03:40.50 | Guerin | you stupid twat |
| 03:40.53 | mmiikkee12 | !meow |
| 03:40.53 | dpkg | Meow! |
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| 03:41.00 | kyu | I fucking wish people would leave dpkg alone |
| 03:41.07 | kyu | Or someone would remove all the junk |
| 03:41.08 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: That's like asking if you can take FAT from a Windoze partition. |
| 03:41.09 | poncha | dammit |
| 03:41.11 | mmiikkee12 | !shut up |
| 03:41.11 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:41.12 | goobit | fpmc, now you want me to debug your homebrew hacking scripts? forget it! rtfm and leave me alone you freak! |
| 03:41.15 | liable | mmiikkee12: stop abusing the bot. |
| 03:41.16 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: stop |
| 03:41.20 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
| 03:41.20 | SDFH_Linux | so sid is a no no then |
| 03:41.26 | Gnea | kyu: who the hell are you? quit your bitching. |
| 03:41.27 | kyu | sid++ |
| 03:41.29 | fpmc | goobit: FYI, the whole reason I think you're misunderstanding me if probably because you thought I was being dumb in how I was assuming so many things that you take as common knowledge, only because I tried to diagnose the problem as much as I can with my ignorance of Linux so avoid coming on this channel and get flamed with RTFM |
| 03:41.30 | poncha | gpm-mouse-test even freezes on stage of detecting packet size |
| 03:41.36 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: you have to be |<------>| this smart to ride Sid. |
| 03:41.41 | kyu | Gnea: .... Who the hell are you? Quit your preaching. |
| 03:41.47 | Gnea | !troll kyu |
| 03:41.49 | kyu | ;) |
| 03:41.50 | fpmc | goobit: wtf, what did I edit?? Are you not reading anything I say? |
| 03:41.51 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: unfotunately you're only |<-->| this smart |
| 03:41.56 | reda | is it possible to get the passwords used for failed logins with sshd? |
| 03:42.00 | Gnea | kyu: you should take a look in the mirror. |
| 03:42.05 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:42.11 | simonrvn | people, please. CALM THE FUCK DOWN :) |
| 03:42.13 | Guerin | reda: no. |
| 03:42.20 | Atula | oooo dear.... |
| 03:42.23 | kyu | Gnea, I'm not interested in your comments, go tell them to someone who actually gives a fuck, you're ignored. |
| 03:42.24 | Gnea | you know, those things that reflect light and whatnot... |
| 03:42.26 | concept10 | #debian go out and have a drink |
| 03:42.28 | simonrvn | step away from the gun, err. keyboard |
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| 03:42.32 | reda | Guerin: Can I know why? |
| 03:42.34 | Atula | it's probably not a good time for me to ask small questions.... |
| 03:42.38 | Gnea | kyu: no one gives a fuck about your comments as well. |
| 03:42.44 | Guerin | reda: if you want it to not be an issue, disble password auth, require password+key auth, and/or run your sshd on some port other than 22 |
| 03:42.47 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.48 | goobit | fpmc, umm, anything you're saying?--> You're the one who's editing the scripts and want me to help you put up a little pcmcia nic interface? forget it!! rtfm!! fpmc goobit: After editing the script for quite a while, I find that no matter what I do there's no change to the system. So I ran "cardctl reset" which should run the script, but instead it crashes imeediatley and generate a message "ioctl(): Function not implmeneted" |
| 03:42.57 | Guerin | reda: why would you want to know? |
| 03:43.17 | kamaraju | Is there any latex way of writing an FAQ? Are there any examples on the net? I searched through google but could not find any meaningful answers. |
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| 03:43.30 | Guerin | kamaraju: ctan.org |
| 03:43.46 | goobit | fpmc, get a job as a scarecrow...you're scaring enough people away.. |
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| 03:43.51 | dystopian | wow. that was quite a bit of reading that just came down the #... |
| 03:43.53 | simonrvn | fpmc: um, function not implemented means it isn't available either in the wifi nic you're using, or the program (i'm thinking the wifi nic) |
| 03:43.56 | Guerin | kamaraju: really.... if you're asking if something's possible in latex, then you don't know enough about it to write anything in it |
| 03:44.02 | Guerin | because ANYTHING is possible in tex |
| 03:44.08 | reda | Guerin: I want to know which passwords they are trying |
| 03:44.11 | kamaraju | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 03:44.12 | dystopian | ok. so now that I am caught up... |
| 03:44.15 | fpmc | simonrvn: thanks, I will look into that |
| 03:44.18 | Guerin | reda: but WHY do you want to know |
| 03:44.19 | cheal | simonrvn: hey, it's a while snce I played UT2004 ;) |
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| 03:44.31 | fpmc | goobit: btw, thanks for your time, sorry to have bothered you in the first place. |
| 03:44.31 | simonrvn | cheal: que? |
| 03:44.32 | SDFH_Linux | so is there anything i can do Guerin? |
| 03:44.35 | Guerin | reda: as in: what would it gain you? |
| 03:44.37 | xintruder | hey guys |
| 03:44.44 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: what does mdetect say? |
| 03:44.50 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: also /msg dpkg set up x |
| 03:44.55 | cheal | simonrvn: it was regarding keyboard as a gun |
| 03:44.56 | goobit | fpmc, you're a 10 second conscious |
| 03:44.59 | Atula | Guerin: in .bash_profile, I uncommented: if [ -d ~/bin ]; then PATH=~/bin:"{PATH}" fi, I thought that this would do the trick... but it still doesn't work.... is there another .profile somewhere Is hould fix? |
| 03:45.02 | kamaraju | Guerin: I know latex quite a bit. But have never written an FAQ in it. I know how to write journal papers etc., |
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| 03:45.06 | simonrvn | cheal: oh ok. :D |
| 03:45.22 | reda | Guerin: it won't gain me anything, i just want to know... (wow you're typing too fast :) |
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| 03:45.24 | Guerin | Atula: PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" |
| 03:45.26 | Guerin | ? |
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| 03:45.35 | xintruder | question: I just installed debian, it cant detect the mirrors, i must setup my dns address manually, how can i do that ? |
| 03:45.35 | simonrvn | Atula: source it: . ~/.profile |
| 03:45.57 | xintruder | thx |
| 03:46.01 | rob_lt | xintruder, resolve.conf |
| 03:46.10 | nvzn | someone should consider editing this page to include something about --initrd possibly? http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
| 03:46.16 | xintruder | in /etc? |
| 03:46.17 | Gnea | oh wow, it finally freed up some space |
| 03:46.17 | simonrvn | Atula: like in your shell, right now. if it works then you're good to go, if not, then fix it before you open another shell =) |
| 03:46.19 | rob_lt | resolv.conf even |
| 03:46.21 | rob_lt | yes |
| 03:46.25 | xintruder | thx |
| 03:46.31 | simonrvn | resolv.conf, FYI, not resolve.conf |
| 03:46.31 | Gnea | maybe i'll be able to print after all |
| 03:46.32 | xintruder | new to linux... |
| 03:46.35 | nvz | nvzn: imposter |
| 03:46.39 | rob_lt | xintruder, np |
| 03:46.41 | nvz | :P |
| 03:46.43 | nvzn | not you again! |
| 03:46.46 | nvz | heh |
| 03:46.48 | nvzn | :P |
| 03:46.49 | Guerin | reda: the thing about passwords is that they should never be visible or recoverable to any user on the box. Basically, they're hashed, and then the hash is compared to the hash in /etc/passwd or similar. You might be able to get the hash somehow, but even that won't help you. |
| 03:46.58 | Guerin | reda: this is fundamental to the security of passwords. |
| 03:47.16 | kyu | Guerin, well there's always wordlists and patience ;) |
| 03:47.24 | Supaplex | or john |
| 03:47.27 | simonrvn | it's not called one-way hash for nothing.... |
| 03:47.28 | yer | hello everybody |
| 03:47.28 | Guerin | kyu: he wants to FIND OUT what passwords are being used. |
| 03:47.41 | kamaraju | Guerin: Have you written any FAQ in latex? |
| 03:47.44 | Atula | simonrvn: I created a .profile with "PATH=~/bin:"{PATH"... it did not work. |
| 03:47.45 | simonrvn | john really only works well on crypt()ed passwds |
| 03:47.49 | Atula | I'm missing something here... |
| 03:47.52 | Supaplex | again, john. |
| 03:47.52 | poncha | eh |
| 03:47.53 | Atula | lots of things |
| 03:47.54 | Gnea | Guerin: so yeah, what's wrong with that? |
| 03:47.57 | simonrvn | or weak md5 passwds |
| 03:48.05 | Guerin | kamaraju: i've written a cv in latex, but i tend to write things in docbook xml by choice. |
| 03:48.12 | kyu | john the ripper? is that sill maintained? ;) |
| 03:48.14 | Guerin | Gnea: ? |
| 03:48.17 | SDFH_Linux | mdectect |
| 03:48.19 | Supaplex | Atula: the normal convention is export PATH=~/bin:$PATH |
| 03:48.19 | SDFH_Linux | no workie |
| 03:48.26 | Atula | k |
| 03:48.31 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: i guess you're fucked, then. |
| 03:48.40 | Supaplex | Atula: assuming it's bash |
| 03:48.40 | SDFH_Linux | dang |
| 03:48.42 | Atula | Supaplex: in ~/.profile? |
| 03:48.42 | Gnea | Guerin: i asked you: what's wrong with finding out what passwords are being attempted on ones personal system? |
| 03:48.45 | Atula | it is bash |
| 03:49.02 | Guerin | Gnea: nothing's wrong with it from a moral standpoint, it's just flawed from a technical standpoint. |
| 03:49.04 | SDFH_Linux | so anything in the apt sources list with unstable is a no no |
| 03:49.11 | Supaplex | Atula: .bashrc or .bash_profile. I've never made heads or tails why there are two... |
| 03:49.18 | reda | Guerin: Ok I understand, the real password is never sent :) thanx |
| 03:49.24 | ke6isf | Isn't there some logging mechanism that dumps bad login data somewhere? |
| 03:49.26 | Guerin | Gnea: if you know a way of finding out how to tell what ssh passwords are being attempted, please let me know. |
| 03:49.35 | Guerin | reda: right :) |
| 03:49.40 | Supaplex | one's for login shells, that's something I recall. but xterms aren't login shells, so.. annoying :) |
| 03:49.43 | caphuso | Supaplex: then you don't understand how unix works |
| 03:49.46 | Gnea | Guerin: you've never heard of ettercap? |
| 03:49.58 | kyu | Guerin, trojan sshd? I believe the newer vers of the linux rootkit have such a trojaned version of sshd :) |
| 03:50.01 | Guerin | Gnea: heard of it, but I don't know what it does. |
| 03:50.03 | stew | you can find out what passwords are being attempted for ssh if you disable challengeresponse and enable password auth if you construct a pam moddule to do so |
| 03:50.07 | mtnman | atula: vi ~/.bash_profile |
| 03:50.11 | Gnea | Guerin: then perhaps you should find out. |
| 03:50.14 | kyu | plus linsniff is better than ettercap |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | Gnea: why? |
| 03:50.28 | Supaplex | Gnea: oh please, the WHOLE POINT of ssh it so you CANNOT use pcap dumping to recover passwords on the wire. |
| 03:50.31 | Gnea | Guerin: why not? |
| 03:50.37 | Guerin | Gnea: i don't need to know. |
| 03:50.40 | omi | Is it possible to log every connection without going into promisc mode on a network card? |
| 03:50.45 | kyu | etterap wouldn't work with ssh passwords though, as it's encrypted, dumbass |
| 03:50.58 | Gnea | hahahahahahahaha |
| 03:51.01 | Gnea | wow |
| 03:51.04 | Gnea | people living in the past |
| 03:51.05 | Gnea | this is great |
| 03:51.05 | mtnman | omi: iptraf |
| 03:51.10 | SDFH_Linux | i wonder why it broke this one with gcc 4 but not my other computers running debian |
| 03:51.18 | caphuso | ettercap can do ssh1, IIRC |
| 03:51.21 | SDFH_Linux | that also upgraded to gcc 4.0 |
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| 03:51.32 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: ignore gcc4 - that has no bearing on anything here. |
| 03:51.33 | kyu | ettercap does ssh1? No way :D |
| 03:51.36 | Gnea | ssh2, that's a different story |
| 03:51.36 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 03:51.47 | omi | I thought iptraf was interactive, I'm looking for something like a daemon but I don't feel like using snort for this |
| 03:51.50 | gullyfoyle | i installed the jre to /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_08 and java gives me an error cannot find java runtime environment |
| 03:51.52 | Guerin | Gnea: oh, you mean the ssh that's used on all sane systems by default? |
| 03:51.53 | SDFH_Linux | so i still wonder why this broke |
| 03:51.53 | Gnea | so much for being ignored |
| 03:51.59 | mtnman | omi: iptraf can log. |
| 03:52.05 | Guerin | Gnea: <herring colour="red"> |
| 03:52.07 | omi | ok let me go over it once again |
| 03:52.16 | poncha | any more ideas regarding mice? :( gpm-mouse-test fails to detect protocol (but hwinfo --mouse does detect it as exps2) |
| 03:52.21 | mtnman | omi: but, yes, it is interactive. |
| 03:52.26 | Guerin | poncha: drxx |
| 03:52.37 | omi | nm then :) |
| 03:52.40 | Gnea | Guerin: yeah, the one that everyone assumes can never be broken, just like they thought ssh1 was a perfect concept |
| 03:52.58 | omi | mtnman, have you used snort? |
| 03:52.59 | poncha | Guerin whats that ? |
| 03:53.07 | dystopian | "security is a process, not a product"... |
| 03:53.08 | mtnman | omi: no, i don't use it. |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | Gnea: i never said that. i explined that it was technically infeasible, not impossible. |
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| 03:53.13 | Azar | gentlemen, it was a whole pleasure, thank you and good night. |
| 03:53.27 | Guerin | Gnea: but hell, you can get as uppity as you like about what you THINK i said... |
| 03:53.30 | rabies | hey, any ideas why im getting 0/100 signal strength on a wireless B network when my laptop has full strength |
| 03:53.34 | stew | < Guerin> Gnea: if you know a way of finding out how to tell what ssh passwords are being attempted, please let me know. |
| 03:53.37 | stew | !dbugs 314645 |
| 03:53.39 | stew | ^^^ refer to that bug about getting attempted passwords |
| 03:53.40 | Supaplex | Gnea: well for the time being, it's not. that's not to say we can't fix it when it does become an issue. |
| 03:53.47 | dpkg | #314645:[ssh] /usr/sbin/sshd: time delay of password check proves account existence to attackers (security) Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:18:05 UTC |
| 03:53.56 | rabies | Quality 0/100 |
| 03:53.59 | rabies | =\ |
| 03:54.07 | rabies | what is it, a lousy antenna? |
| 03:54.19 | stew | Guerin: if you control the ssh server, you can get the passwords being attempted |
| 03:54.27 | Gnea | Supaplex: gee i dunno, 314645? |
| 03:54.28 | evilbadman | another time delay bug? |
| 03:54.39 | Guerin | stew: how? |
| 03:54.40 | rabies | i mean it is ndiswrapper.. |
| 03:54.43 | kyu | There's a very simple patch for ssh to store the attempted passwords, which isn't a good idea |
| 03:54.46 | poncha | Guerin dpkg-regonfigure xserver-xfree86 ? does not help. mouse is *up* but its pointer moves only vertically |
| 03:54.49 | kyu | I mean, silly stupid |
| 03:54.49 | rabies | any ideas for wireless heLP? |
| 03:54.58 | stew | Guerin: disable challenge response, enable password, and write a pam module to log the password |
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| 03:55.04 | mmiikkee12 | debian |
| 03:55.10 | nvzn | is there a sort of make mrproper the Debian Way? |
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| 03:55.21 | nvzn | for the kernel source after a build... |
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| 03:55.35 | Guerin | poncha: choose a different protocol |
| 03:55.38 | lhs | helllo |
| 03:55.38 | Gnea | well you can either sit there and label everyone like a paste dispensor or you can do something constructive about it |
| 03:55.40 | lhs | every one |
| 03:55.47 | xintruder | is debian suitable for a newb ? |
| 03:55.48 | Guerin | stew: oh, so it's still technically infeasible. |
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| 03:55.59 | Guerin | xintruder: if you can read, you can run debian gnu/linux. |
| 03:56.03 | Gnea | xintruder: is a newb suitable for a computer? |
| 03:56.11 | liable | nvzn: use kernel-package. |
| 03:56.13 | stew | Guerin: tell that to the people in that bug report that are logging password attempts |
| 03:56.16 | poncha | Guerin protocol is st to explorerps/2 in X and exps2 in gpm (as hwinfo suggests)... but i tried already imps2 , autops2 , bare and several others... no effect |
| 03:56.19 | lhs | hi |
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| 03:56.36 | dystopian | xintruder, I think so. I'm no linux guru and I have it running quite fancy. :) |
| 03:56.44 | Supaplex | !say hi to lhs |
| 03:56.45 | dpkg | hi to lhs |
| 03:56.46 | xintruder | cool |
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| 03:57.12 | poncha | it worked as exps2 with explorer 3 , but this new explorer4.0a makes troubles (thats the new one with 'tilt wheel') |
| 03:57.13 | Guerin | stew: having to write your own pam module makes it infeasible. Note that infeasible is different from impossible. |
| 03:57.17 | dystopian | just read up on what you want to do with it. the install is not so tuff now with sarge |
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| 03:57.24 | stew | Guerin: it was feasible when i did it |
| 03:57.29 | nvzn | liable: hows that? make-kpkg mrproper? |
| 03:57.30 | TestiCalls | what's the command to find out about the hardware i have installed |
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| 03:57.36 | stew | Guerin: pam modules are very very easy to write |
| 03:57.39 | kyu | Guerin, it's not so hard.. |
| 03:57.52 | dystopian | xintruder, what are you running now? |
| 03:58.00 | kyu | In fact, i'm sure you can even download the source for such a module |
| 03:58.04 | liable | nvzn: no just make-kpkg kernel_image. No need for mrproper. |
| 03:58.17 | stew | Guerin: i did it to migrate people from a crypted password db to a plaintext db |
| 03:58.23 | TestiCalls | !hardware |
| 03:58.23 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 03:58.26 | Gnea | sweet, printing works once more |
| 03:58.36 | nvzn | liable i mean when that done, and i want to rebuild using the same (patched) tree, whats The Way? |
| 03:59.11 | nvzn | liable: are you suggesting i dont _need_ mrproper? |
| 03:59.21 | Gnea | stew: taking a step backwards along the chain eh? |
| 03:59.31 | liable | nvzn: not if you use kpkg. |
| 03:59.32 | xintruder | <dystopian> xp |
| 03:59.35 | Guerin | stew: if you actually go back and read the context in which I was discussing it... |
| 03:59.38 | nvzn | liable: ok thanks |
| 03:59.43 | Guerin | stew: it's good information, though, and what I asked for. |
| 03:59.43 | xintruder | used to run redhat and mandrake |
| 04:00.01 | Guerin | stew: why plain as opposed to crypted? |
| 04:00.01 | stew | Guerin: yeah, admittedly i just got in and saw no context at all |
| 04:00.02 | kyu | people actually use redhat and mandrake?> |
| 04:00.12 | xintruder | a virus got me pissed, so i decided to just switch over. |
| 04:00.15 | simonrvn | ask them, not us. sheesh |
| 04:00.47 | stew | Guerin: moving email accounts from being authed from pam to being authed via mysql over cram-md5, cram requres a plaintext password on the server |
| 04:00.51 | Gnea | yes, different applications require a different setup |
| 04:01.00 | xintruder | i spent over 6 hourse trying to install gentoo, i sadly faild. |
| 04:01.17 | kyu | gentoo is great |
| 04:01.24 | concept10 | Anyone know how to have the GNOME panel remember locations of widgets when rebooting, etc |
| 04:01.27 | Guerin | stew: right-o. |
| 04:01.31 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 04:01.31 | dpkg | Mandrake is lame! |
| 04:01.40 | Gnea | gentoo and debian suck. :) |
| 04:01.44 | dystopian | xintruder, if you can try gentoo surely you can manage a netinst with sarge |
| 04:01.50 | Gnea | redhat-based are thet worst |
| 04:01.58 | amphore | DOS rules |
| 04:02.03 | Gnea | oh man |
| 04:02.03 | xintruder | mandrake caused me least hardware problems... |
| 04:02.03 | Guerin | stew: i'm not concerned about mail passwords, really, since they're totally divorced from real usernames and passwords |
| 04:02.06 | Gnea | workbench beotch |
| 04:02.10 | Guerin | stew: and i enforce tls |
| 04:02.12 | kyu | Not so hard to install if you rtfm, but the thing that pisses me off was i was in my lab with a few co-workers, and by the time he had his fancy links browser reading chapter three i had a working netbsd webserver ;) |
| 04:02.13 | dystopian | just try it. |
| 04:02.14 | tunguru | gnea: what do you use? |
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| 04:02.21 | Supaplex | I'm suprised noone mentioned *BSD |
| 04:02.24 | Gnea | tunguru: hahaha i use debian |
| 04:02.25 | xintruder | whos sarge ? |
| 04:02.33 | Supaplex | !sarge |
| 04:02.33 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 04:02.34 | amphore | im sarge |
| 04:02.38 | xintruder | lol |
| 04:02.59 | stew | Guerin: *nod*, i was moving system accounts to virtual accounts where i didn't have to be worried about the passwords so much. and i gave up on trying to get people onto ssl so at least they must use cram to encrypt the passwords over the wire |
| 04:03.10 | Gnea | not everyone has the time to sit down and learn something new from scratch |
| 04:03.13 | amphore | june 6 is not the d-day ? |
| 04:03.28 | dystopian | I tried freebsd and ran into some severe circular dependency problems with it's netinstall. it was lame |
| 04:03.41 | Guerin | stew: yeah. |
| 04:03.47 | kyu | FreeBSD makes an allright workstation if you don't want to use linux |
| 04:03.48 | concept10 | I asked a question where is my damn help |
| 04:04.02 | kyu | NetBSD is cleaner imo though |
| 04:04.02 | Guerin | concept10: up my arse |
| 04:04.08 | kyu | 52 arch, one tree :) |
| 04:04.10 | mwilson | Lots of things make good workstations. |
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| 04:04.18 | Gnea | just because you or i might know a lot about unicies, we probably don't know a lot about, say, how much sugar is required for a batch of donuts to taste sweet but not too sweet |
| 04:04.25 | stew | concept10: sorry about the hold times, your call is important to us |
| 04:04.29 | kyu | mwilson, haha, you've obviously never tried solaris 10 x86 ;)) |
| 04:04.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:04.35 | concept10 | good one |
| 04:04.36 | ke6isf | concept10: $50 bucks per hour, minimum two hours. |
| 04:04.37 | mwilson | kyu: Sure have. |
| 04:04.38 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 04:04.38 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:04.38 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:04.39 | xintruder | concept, do the guys here work for u? |
| 04:04.39 | concept10 | j/k |
| 04:04.57 | Guerin | ah, roots and culture time |
| 04:05.01 | concept10 | hell yes, you didnt know? |
| 04:05.11 | SDFH_Linux | si gnome 2.10.2 in stable? |
| 04:05.13 | SDFH_Linux | is* |
| 04:05.14 | Guerin | couple hours of reggae on a sunday afternoon is just what's needed |
| 04:05.14 | xintruder | nope |
| 04:05.16 | phorce1 | OK -- now tar is ticking me off. "tar cfp --exclude=/mnt/sda2/boot/ --exclude=/mnt/sda2/vmlinuz - /mnt/sda2 | nc -w 30 192.168.0.5 32417" is giving me "tar: p: cannot write: no space left on device". It should be writing to stdout and through the pipe to nc listening on the other side -- I know it "hits" nc on the other side because I get a "connection refused" if I forget to start it there. |
| 04:05.20 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: Of course not. |
| 04:05.20 | Gnea | !beer #debian |
| 04:05.22 | phorce1 | Crap |
| 04:05.24 | SDFH_Linux | doh |
| 04:05.29 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:05.29 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: How could it be? |
| 04:05.31 | Gnea | that's like |
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| 04:05.35 | Gnea | a keg |
| 04:05.38 | SDFH_Linux | is 2.6.10? |
| 04:05.42 | SDFH_Linux | in stable? |
| 04:05.46 | liable | no |
| 04:05.49 | SDFH_Linux | doh |
| 04:05.50 | Gnea | no |
| 04:05.55 | phorce1 | the md device is mounted RO in both places <sigh> |
| 04:05.56 | Gnea | it topped out at 2.6.8 |
| 04:05.57 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: I just inst'ed 2.6.8. |
| 04:06.00 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:06.03 | Gnea | but |
| 04:06.04 | goobit | phorce1, if you are smart you would be monitoring both sides |
| 04:06.07 | liable | SDFH_Linux: but its trivial to get. |
| 04:06.12 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: Is there some reason in particular you're too lazy to bother checking packages for yourself? |
| 04:06.14 | Gnea | you can install a 2.6.10 .deb compile and install |
| 04:06.16 | Gnea | and it'll work |
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| 04:06.18 | phorce1 | hard to write to an RO device |
| 04:06.23 | kyu | Linux jade 2.6.11-1-686 #1 <-- works great here |
| 04:06.24 | kyu | :) |
| 04:06.26 | Gnea | 2.6.11 will work too, to some degree |
| 04:06.41 | SDFH_Linux | any differences in 2.6.11? |
| 04:06.45 | Gnea | that looks like a precompiled kernel |
| 04:06.49 | phorce1 | goobit: two machines on a kvm -- takes me a second or two to flip over. |
| 04:06.55 | Gnea | SDFH_Linux: just read the changelog, it's up on kernel.org |
| 04:07.04 | goobit | phorce1, use ssh why bother? |
| 04:07.09 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: Nah, didn't you know? The kernel devs just incremented the version number and didn't make any changes. |
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| 04:07.18 | ChapelPaige | Hey all |
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| 04:07.27 | kyu | greetings. |
| 04:07.45 | SDFH_Linux | i think i am going to bring beers in here next time :P |
| 04:07.53 | ke6isf | !beer ke6isf |
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| 04:07.54 | goobit | phorce1, also if you were smart you'd crunch it.. |
| 04:08.02 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: Gots plenty of beer here. =^^= |
| 04:08.06 | concept10 | dammit im bored. Any exciting apps out there? |
| 04:08.14 | kyu | I'm not drinking ever again :/ |
| 04:08.21 | ChapelPaige | Can I ask you guys a question? |
| 04:08.24 | Gnea | wussy |
| 04:08.28 | SDFH_Linux | concept10 if you want reinstall my debian on laptop |
| 04:08.29 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 04:08.29 | concept10 | kyu, me either |
| 04:08.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 04:08.36 | kyu | Well, ok, not for a while, got arrested last week |
| 04:08.37 | Guerin | kyu: i've heard that before |
| 04:08.37 | kyu | ;) |
| 04:08.39 | goobit | concept10, getty |
| 04:08.54 | ChapelPaige | How do I add /usr/local/lib in my /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 04:08.56 | rob_lt | concept10, wings3d and/or blender |
| 04:08.58 | goobit | concept10, google it |
| 04:09.06 | kamaraju | which format is better for writing FAQs? I want the numbers for questions to be automatically generated and can be referred using tags. |
| 04:09.16 | TestiCalls | !ttys |
| 04:09.20 | Gnea | kyu: oooh don't you just feel special now :P |
| 04:09.20 | concept10 | SDFH_Linux, If it was over here, I would do it |
| 04:09.28 | kyu | Gnea, Nah, i felt like an asshole |
| 04:09.29 | TestiCalls | anyone know how to find out the ttys of a fax modem |
| 04:09.31 | goobit | kamaraju, heard latex is good with bibtex |
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| 04:09.37 | ke6isf | kamaraju: HTML, the <ol> tag. |
| 04:09.41 | kyu | A feeling you might be fammilliar with? ;) |
| 04:09.54 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 04:09.59 | SDFH_Linux | well i gotta do it |
| 04:10.00 | Gnea | kyu: sucks doesn't it? s'ok though, these things take time |
| 04:10.08 | SDFH_Linux | my debian screwed up |
| 04:10.09 | Gnea | don't you know it |
| 04:10.10 | kamaraju | ke6isf: Can you point out some examples? |
| 04:10.17 | SDFH_Linux | better yet i did it |
| 04:10.19 | SDFH_Linux | somehow |
| 04:10.28 | dvs | SDFH_Linux: Debian never screws up. ;-) |
| 04:10.34 | kamaraju | goobit: Are you saying that I should use bibtex to write FAQs? |
| 04:10.35 | phorce1 | goobit: why compress and use the cpu when transferring across a gigabit network |
| 04:10.39 | dystopian | how did you screw it up? |
| 04:10.45 | TestiCalls | anyone know how to find out the ttys of a fax modem |
| 04:10.49 | SDFH_Linux | i updated and blamo |
| 04:10.58 | ke6isf | kamaraju: No, I've not used it. Just seems logical to use an HTML ordered list. |
| 04:11.00 | SDFH_Linux | i had unstable repos on ther |
| 04:11.04 | goobit | kamaraju, there are obviously convert tools-> you should be able to convert to almost any format you want after that.. |
| 04:11.29 | TestiCalls | anyone know how to find out the ttys of a fax modem |
| 04:11.33 | goobit | kamaraju, bibtex , read up about also about the other *tex, and if you like math, then better! |
| 04:11.42 | kyu | TestiCalls, serial? |
| 04:11.43 | dystopian | you updated or "upgraded"? |
| 04:11.48 | ChapelPaige | Man... |
| 04:11.51 | SDFH_Linux | second one |
| 04:11.54 | dystopian | ah... |
| 04:12.00 | SDFH_Linux | and blamo |
| 04:12.10 | dystopian | unstable is *unstable* |
| 04:12.14 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 04:12.19 | dystopian | sorry |
| 04:12.25 | kyu | concept10, boredom? |
| 04:12.32 | TestiCalls | um |
| 04:12.32 | SDFH_Linux | is there a way to keep my home directory intact? |
| 04:12.34 | goobit | phorce1, why tar it and complain of disk space? |
| 04:12.38 | SDFH_Linux | when reinstall? |
| 04:12.40 | Guerin | dissatisfaction with alternatives |
| 04:12.42 | ke6isf | !backup |
| 04:12.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 04:12.43 | poncha | Guerin well... tried all the list that man gpm-types has... it was somehow working only with 'autops2'/'imps2'/'exps2' and this somehow preserved the behavior of vertical movement only and no clicks caught :( |
| 04:12.49 | TestiCalls | i guess? ... i guess i'm looking for hardware info.. any general commands ? |
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| 04:13.00 | goobit | poncha, try the auto repeat with "none" |
| 04:13.13 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: is your /home on a separate partition? |
| 04:13.15 | poncha | goobit tried already :( |
| 04:13.20 | SDFH_Linux | sadly i dont think so |
| 04:13.24 | kyu | TestiCalls, how is the modem connected to your machine? That will generally tell you what device to use :) |
| 04:13.28 | goobit | poncha, the string "none" , not "" |
| 04:13.31 | ke6isf | TestiCalls: First thing I would do is plug in the phone, and do "echo ath1,,,h0 > /dev/ttys#" until I got a few seconds of dialtone. |
| 04:13.37 | poncha | thats what i tried |
| 04:13.40 | ke6isf | TestiCalls: But then, I'm sure there's a better way. |
| 04:13.45 | poncha | with empty string gpm won't start |
| 04:14.00 | goobit | poncha, don't have non-empty for auto repeat.. |
| 04:14.03 | SDFH_Linux | is there a way to check when this debian was installed |
| 04:14.04 | kyu | ke6isf, h1? |
| 04:14.07 | SDFH_Linux | on what date? |
| 04:14.10 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: no. |
| 04:14.13 | SDFH_Linux | doh |
| 04:14.21 | ke6isf | kyu: ath1: engage line, i.e. "pick up the phone" |
| 04:14.22 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: tar it up and reinstall |
| 04:14.24 | SDFH_Linux | oh well |
| 04:14.28 | ke6isf | kyu: ath1 hangs up. |
| 04:14.29 | goobit | SDFH_Linux, look at the date of /etc/debian_version |
| 04:14.41 | TestiCalls | oh |
| 04:14.45 | ke6isf | kyu: It's in the standard Hayes set. |
| 04:14.45 | TestiCalls | kyu it's a pci modem |
| 04:14.53 | Guerin | goobit: nope, gets updated regularly on !stable |
| 04:14.55 | poncha | goobit i mean with line "repeat_type=" it does not start... and with "repeat_type=none" -> the behavior doesnot change |
| 04:15.02 | ke6isf | oops... kyu: ath0 hangs up, rather. |
| 04:15.06 | ke6isf | gah, need caffeine |
| 04:15.14 | goobit | Guerin, only for !stable, ok.. |
| 04:15.18 | ChapelPaige | Is there a way to run a text editor as root, so I can actually edit a readonly file? |
| 04:15.20 | kyu | I've used hayes a bitty, bit of a farker, although pinging people with ath0dt999 strings is always fin ;) |
| 04:15.23 | goobit | Guerin, that is pretty confusing |
| 04:15.27 | poncha | going to boot xp and google more |
| 04:15.41 | poncha | heh |
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| 04:15.53 | poncha | brb |
| 04:15.58 | kyu | mmm coffee, sounds good |
| 04:16.01 | kyu | brb |
| 04:16.12 | goobit | ChapelPaige, yes, vi, can do it..but another way is to use a knoppix-cd and mount the entire drive with mount -option "rw" |
| 04:16.13 | Guerin | goobit: why? |
| 04:16.20 | ChapelPaige | Vi, thanks. |
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| 04:16.38 | goobit | Guerin, why what?-- u said /etc/debian_version is updated when unstable? -- i guess wrong.. |
| 04:17.14 | dystopian | root terminal, vi |
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| 04:17.22 | dystopian | oh duh, nevermind |
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| 04:19.15 | goobit | Guerin, ahhh what about that thing I was asking you earlier? |
| 04:19.36 | gentgeen__ | just took hd out of one machine, put it into another, now trying to mount it and getting "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1" |
| 04:19.48 | gentgeen__ | now I know it is ext3, and including that in mount command |
| 04:19.57 | gentgeen__ | any other ideas/thoughts/fixes? |
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| 04:20.18 | kyu | wrong jumper settings? |
| 04:20.20 | goobit | Guerin, what's it with /etc/debian_version changing when unstable to stable? the datestamp and full system label should be the same for both .. |
| 04:20.20 | dvs | gentgeen__: fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 04:20.40 | kyu | Dunno if that would mess it up though |
| 04:20.59 | Xytek^ | Can anyone tell me how i'd go about re-installing Konquerer for KDE. or maybe give me a good file browser? |
| 04:21.01 | mwilson | goobit: How do you figure that? |
| 04:21.06 | gentgeen__ | /dev/hdb1 1 1584 12723448+ 83 Linux return from fdisk -l |
| 04:21.13 | goobit | mwilson, I didn't |
| 04:21.39 | mwilson | goobit: You did. |
| 04:21.58 | ChapelPaige | Hmm, ldcofig. |
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| 04:22.14 | goobit | mwilson, "should" is a reserved word for the Inquisition, don't hang me |
| 04:22.31 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
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| 04:22.35 | Guerin | goobit: why? it gets reinstalled every time base is updated. |
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| 04:22.41 | goobit | mwilson, that means I hate you |
| 04:22.57 | gentgeen__ | dmesg | grep hdb returns a ton of task_in_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } kind of thing |
| 04:23.01 | dystopian | ? what ? |
| 04:23.15 | Guerin | gentgeen__: get a new hdd |
| 04:23.26 | dvs | gentgeen__: It's dead, Jim |
| 04:23.27 | Radius_Vector | Help, whenever a contact in Kopete makes a custom status message in Yahoo, it becomes "Custom" for me and I cant see his status |
| 04:23.28 | kyu | gentgreen, just a thought, what are your hdd jumper settings like, did you change it to be a slave? |
| 04:23.44 | gentgeen__ | it was a slave before, still a slave |
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| 04:23.49 | Guerin | Radius_Vector: #kde |
| 04:24.04 | Radius_Vector | Guerin: No one there is alive lol thats why I ask here |
| 04:24.05 | TestiCalls | anyone know how to find out what my fax modem (pci) port is at? |
| 04:24.12 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 04:24.12 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:24.20 | gentgeen__ | I at least want to get the stuff of it :-( |
| 04:24.46 | TestiCalls | !pci |
| 04:24.46 | dpkg | well, pci is (Peripheral Connect Interface) This interface was designed to supplant the VL-Bus architecture and provide a standard slot with a reduced size for high-speed peripherals. It normally runs at 33 MHz on a PC, but can run faster. PCI slots are 32-bit slots on Intel systems, but the spec allows for 64-bit, like EISA or VL-BUS, but in a compact form factor. see pciids |
| 04:24.46 | Radius_Vector | Guerin: LOL i get the idea, sry |
| 04:25.03 | kyu | TestiCalls, I've never seen anyone use a pci modem on linux or bsd, as far as i know most of them are winmodems, which basically means they want your cpu to convert analog->digital instead of the modem doing this. Very few of these are supported by linux. |
| 04:25.24 | dvs | Ahhh. VL-Bus. Those where the days |
| 04:25.25 | kyu | TestiCalls, you can get a dirt cheap serial modem for about 10 gbp |
| 04:25.25 | SDFH_Linux | what i need to get for basic debian setup with mininal gui |
| 04:25.29 | SDFH_Linux | during install |
| 04:25.41 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: What does the installation guide say you need? |
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| 04:25.55 | TestiCalls | yeah that's not a prob kyu, just wanted to play with a prog right now |
| 04:26.06 | gentgeen__ | SDFH_Linux, don't install anything at tselect |
| 04:26.07 | maher | kyu: i have a pci modem that works with linux |
| 04:26.17 | kyu | maher, is it a hardware modem though? |
| 04:26.23 | SDFH_Linux | ok then what i install gentgeen__ |
| 04:26.24 | kyu | Or a shitty winmodem? |
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| 04:26.35 | gentgeen__ | s/tselect/tasksel |
| 04:26.48 | gentgeen__ | by the time you get to tasksel, you have a minimal system |
| 04:26.54 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:26.57 | gentgeen__ | that apt-get what you want from there |
| 04:27.00 | maher | kyu: yes - i bought it specially to work with linux - it cost me like $80 when 56k modems were just out... |
| 04:27.03 | dvs | gentgeen__: A minimal X system? |
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| 04:27.15 | tunguru | how do you restart startx? i just made some changes in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, now I want to restart startx to see the changes |
| 04:27.20 | TestiCalls | maher you wouldn't happent o know when i could find out my modem is on then? |
| 04:27.27 | TestiCalls | *where |
| 04:27.31 | gentgeen__ | SDFH_Linux, oops misted the "gui" part |
| 04:27.31 | maher | kyu: i have in the past got my laptop winmodem to work - before conexant pulled their driver... |
| 04:27.41 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 04:27.45 | maher | TestiCalls: try lspci |
| 04:27.49 | TestiCalls | k one sec |
| 04:28.15 | TestiCalls | i'm thinking it's on the ISA bridge |
| 04:28.22 | gentgeen__ | aptitude install xserver-xfree86 ..... |
| 04:28.26 | maher | TestiCalls: then its probably not pci |
| 04:28.30 | TestiCalls | since i think the third pci shares with the isa |
| 04:28.35 | gentgeen__ | and 3 others (but I forget off the top of my head |
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| 04:28.49 | TestiCalls | nah i know my hardware, it is pci.. just that the third pci shares the bus with the isa |
| 04:28.52 | dvs | x-window-system-core |
| 04:28.52 | TestiCalls | i'd have to dbl check it |
| 04:29.17 | dystopian | that is some old school stuff TestiCalls |
| 04:29.23 | dystopian | isa is old anyway |
| 04:29.24 | TestiCalls | yeah |
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| 04:29.28 | TestiCalls | one sec |
| 04:29.31 | TestiCalls | i'll show ya the mb |
| 04:29.49 | TestiCalls | http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/miami.htm |
| 04:29.57 | TestiCalls | knew it |
| 04:29.58 | TestiCalls | 7PCI 3 Slot (shared) |
| 04:30.04 | kyu | maher, I only ment that the majority of such cards are designed for windows machines, as far as i know only one or two (offhand i think the lucient ones) are supported by linux, the ones that do the modem stuff on-board though would work |
| 04:30.04 | TestiCalls | o |
| 04:30.07 | tunguru | nevermind, ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 04:30.20 | TestiCalls | i'm gonna have to switch from the third to the second so i can use the modem i guess |
| 04:30.35 | TestiCalls | i heard linux doesn't like isa's |
| 04:30.41 | gentgeen__ | SDFH_Linux, dvs got it for you |
| 04:30.48 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 04:30.53 | gentgeen__ | look at last paragraph of http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/03/msg13126.html |
| 04:31.00 | dvs | TestiCalls: I have a USR 5610 which works with Linux |
| 04:31.04 | maher | TestiCalls: did you type lspci and did your modem show up |
| 04:31.04 | gentgeen__ | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 04:31.12 | TestiCalls | maher nope |
| 04:31.23 | kyu | x-window-system would be better |
| 04:31.39 | kyu | x-window-system-core afaik leaves out a few things |
| 04:31.41 | dvs | kyu: He said minimal though |
| 04:31.46 | TestiCalls | one sec maher i'll paste you the result |
| 04:31.49 | TestiCalls | need to cut and paste |
| 04:31.53 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:32.02 | maher | TestiCalls: don't paste here |
| 04:32.02 | kyu | dvs, well, yes i suppose you're right ;) |
| 04:32.12 | TestiCalls | i know |
| 04:32.13 | TestiCalls | i'll pm |
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| 04:32.25 | TestiCalls | k? |
| 04:33.06 | gentgeen__ | when I do '/etc/init.d/network restart' what does "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" mean? don't recall seeing it before |
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| 04:33.34 | phorce1 | goobit: shouldn't be a disk space problem. moving '/' from one system to another where the drives cannot be physically in the same machine. Still getting the same error even though /mnt/sda1 is now mounted rw on the machine running "nc -l -p 32417 | tar -xvf -". The originating machine closes tar with a complaint of no space on device?? |
| 04:33.41 | phorce1 | OK -- now tar is ticking me off. "tar cfp --exclude=/mnt/sda2/boot/ --exclude=/mnt/sda2/vmlinuz - /mnt/sda2 | nc -w 30 192.168.0.5 32417" is giving me "tar: p: cannot write: no space left on device". It should be writing to stdout and through the pipe to nc listening on the other side -- I know it "hits" nc on the other side because I get a "connection refused" if I forget to start it there. |
| 04:34.10 | goobit | phorce1, tar is wrong |
| 04:34.52 | kyu | why is f there? |
| 04:35.18 | goobit | phorce1, why don't you start with something simple and be more realistic? |
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| 04:35.53 | kyu | phorce1, take out the fp part |
| 04:35.57 | phorce1 | goobit: but why would it give that error. Should be tar-ing to stdout through the pipe and un-tar-ing in the directory where it is run on that end |
| 04:36.10 | kyu | phorce1, f means write to a file, and it specifies p as the output file |
| 04:36.14 | phorce1 | kyu: I need the permissions to stay the same |
| 04:36.21 | kyu | anything after f is the filename |
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| 04:36.45 | phorce1 | kyu -- oops. I read something wrong somewhere |
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| 04:36.50 | kyu | :) |
| 04:37.02 | goobit | phorce1, as I said start with something more simple.. like um.. test it and see the verbosity level on things? including any errors and logs? |
| 04:37.14 | dystopian | bbl |
| 04:37.46 | Guerin | phorce1: tar cjf - / --exclude=/stuff | ssh badger@mushroom.org:/ |tar jxf # ought to work |
| 04:38.05 | Guerin | phorce1: if you tar/untar as root it automatically preserves permissions |
| 04:38.05 | kyu | f should be the last option you specify to tar, if you did tar fzcj it wouldn't take fzcj as the options, it would get tar 'file name zcj' or w/e |
| 04:38.24 | ChapelPaige | Just an odd question, but can anyone here get zlib via apt-get or is it just me? |
| 04:38.30 | kyu | surely f - would just specify - as the output file also |
| 04:38.34 | Guerin | tar jxf - |
| 04:38.34 | kyu | i don't understand whyu the f is there. |
| 04:38.36 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:38.36 | phorce1 | hmmm OK -- rearranging command line |
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| 04:38.47 | Guerin | no, it means read - as the input file |
| 04:38.54 | mwilson | ChapelPaige: It's just you, of course. Let me guess, you're making up a package name at random and expecting it to work? |
| 04:39.10 | Guerin | bear in mind i'm not testing these, so they're probably wrong, but the principles are there |
| 04:39.24 | kyu | Guerin, no ebcuase c is there, that means create |
| 04:39.37 | kyu | Or am i wrong again? :)) |
| 04:39.41 | ChapelPaige | Nah, I have a website that says the package name, but it's not found... several actually. I wasn't complaining, just asking. |
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| 04:39.53 | goobit | phorce1, if you often do -vv with commands, they should more verbosity |
| 04:39.54 | Guerin | kyu: oh, the first one needs f - because the file you're creating should be stdout |
| 04:40.08 | kyu | without f the default is stdout anyway no? |
| 04:40.10 | Guerin | kyu: the one at the end needs it because it's reading from stin |
| 04:40.11 | mwilson | ChapelPaige: Uh, huh. Yeah. Sure. And what would that package name be? |
| 04:40.18 | Xytek^ | If I enable my Onboard sound, via the bios, will debian know its there, next time it starts up? or will i have to edit something? |
| 04:40.18 | Guerin | kyu: oh, probably |
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| 04:40.36 | Guerin | Xytek^: it'll know, whether it'll use it correctly is another matter. |
| 04:40.40 | ChapelPaige | zlib-1.2.2 |
| 04:40.44 | Xytek^ | since this distro doesnt have the drivers for my soundcard.. |
| 04:40.45 | kyu | I thought any f arg after c sets the outfile :) |
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| 04:40.52 | mwilson | ChapelPaige: What's that supposed to be? |
| 04:40.54 | Xytek^ | my pci soundcard, not the onboard. |
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| 04:41.00 | kyu | is - special? |
| 04:41.08 | ChapelPaige | Gee, you'd think on a question and answer channel they'd leave out the rude people. |
| 04:41.17 | Guerin | kyu: means stin or stoud depending on context |
| 04:41.17 | ZeXr0 | I don't know how to start the netinstall of woody, all I got is Install Kernel and Driver modules from floppy |
| 04:41.26 | Guerin | kyu: pretty standard for many utils |
| 04:41.28 | mwilson | ChapelPaige: Making up package names at random never works. |
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| 04:41.43 | Guerin | stdin or stdout, in spite of my appalling typistry |
| 04:41.49 | kyu | :)) |
| 04:41.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:41.55 | kyu | Damn, 5:41am |
| 04:42.07 | thoffland | what's the difference between the 386 kernel and the 686 kernel? is it worth it for me to upgrade? |
| 04:42.20 | kyu | thoffland, i 686 if for p3 upwards |
| 04:42.24 | phorce1 | goobit: I actually had vv in there and teh error was identical. Working now with -cvvpf - ... |
| 04:42.31 | ke6isf | If I plug into my USB a digital camera, GNOME will ask me if I want to pull off the images, and give me options to continue or cancel. Continuing apparently does nothing. What should this be looking for/doing/whatever? |
| 04:42.38 | kyu | for example this machine is a p3, so i use i686 |
| 04:42.40 | goobit | kyu, that refers to the invisible "-", its about working without files but throwing out the stuff from things and flinging them somewhere else.. |
| 04:42.44 | kyu | i386 would work on it aswell, i think |
| 04:42.46 | thoffland | kyu: i have a p4 and i'm on the 386... will i benefit? |
| 04:42.59 | mwilson | thoffland: Not in any way you can measure. |
| 04:43.00 | kyu | thoffland, no idea, maybe :D |
| 04:43.17 | thoffland | ok, i'll leave it alone then |
| 04:43.20 | goobit | phorce1, perhaps I picked up once that the receiving should have -- for tar..not sure though, but take a look.. |
| 04:43.23 | thoffland | thanks!! |
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| 04:43.51 | kyu | goobit, it should use stdin/out when f isn't specified anyway though so is f - the same as no f? :) |
| 04:44.12 | goobit | kyu, try it, why you asking me? |
| 04:44.16 | kyu | Haha |
| 04:44.18 | kyu | :) |
| 04:44.50 | phorce1 | Guerin: not using j or z because I see no need to use the cpu overhead for compress/decompress when I'm just dumping files across a gigabit net connection - it's writing at full drive speed already |
| 04:45.21 | phorce1 | goobit: I did look -- saw it un-tar-ing on the nc -l machine (used vv there too) |
| 04:45.45 | kyu | So it's working now? Cool :) |
| 04:46.21 | ZeXr0 | I don't know how to start the netinstall of woody, all I got is Install Kernel and Driver modules from floppy.. Someone can tell me how to start the netinstall ? |
| 04:46.23 | phorce1 | kyu: yes, thanks. Just had to reverse the order of 'f' and 'p' |
| 04:46.33 | kyu | thought as much :) |
| 04:46.44 | dvs | ZeXr0: can't boot from CD? |
| 04:46.53 | ZeXr0 | I don't have a cddrive |
| 04:47.17 | thoffland | daedalus? |
| 04:47.23 | goobit | phorce1, f always prepends a filename (see the manpage) you can concatenate options, but if an option requires something it needs to follow right after |
| 04:47.38 | phorce1 | and now the install will be on a properly installed RAID1 server so the next time the primary drive barfs I can just unplug it and boot from the mirror |
| 04:47.58 | goobit | phorce1, was it with -- that made the difference or no? |
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| 04:48.42 | phorce1 | goobit: yep -- and I KNEW that. But I've been farting with this hosed up server for the last 12+ hours. I'm brain dead now |
| 04:48.49 | gentgeen__ | ZeXr0, did you look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 04:49.14 | goobit | phorce1, 12 hours for this? go out and buy a 160 gig iogear..or learn how to smoke mariguana.. |
| 04:49.19 | phorce1 | goobit: the receiving machine just has 'nc -l -p32417 | tar -xvf -' |
| 04:49.30 | ZeXr0 | I need to do it via woody installer (actually I try to install Ubuntu via woody netinstall) |
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| 04:50.24 | SDFH_Linux | are the packages in stable updtated a lot? |
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| 04:50.34 | goobit | ZeXr0, #ubuntu is for ubuntu no? |
| 04:50.38 | kyu | SDFH_Linux,only on security and bigfix afaik |
| 04:50.39 | dvs | SDFH_Linux: Only for security |
| 04:50.45 | kyu | bug, even |
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| 04:50.59 | SDFH_Linux | but the other stuff gets updated sooner or later too? |
| 04:51.02 | dvs | kyu: Small bugs, like fleas |
| 04:51.08 | Supaplex | goobit: yup. |
| 04:51.11 | ZeXr0 | yeah but as it use the woody installer, I just want this to start, I only got Install Kernel and Driver Menu, because it didn't detect my network card :S |
| 04:51.11 | Gnea | SDFH_Linux: depends on the severity |
| 04:51.18 | ZeXr0 | I think that's the problem |
| 04:51.19 | kyu | After it's been in unstable and testing no? |
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| 04:51.35 | dvs | SDFH_Linux: Only a big one once in a couple of months (years) |
| 04:51.55 | phorce1 | goobit: I screwed it up weeks ago. Haven't had to do software RAID since ... uhhh ... potato I think when booting from the MD device was a no-no. So I originally built this RAID1 machine with a /boot outside the MD. So.... when the primary drive bit the big one (second drive from this batch of 8 month old servers in 2 weeks) there was no way to BOOT with the mirror and rebuild the RAID. |
| 04:51.56 | SDFH_Linux | whoa |
| 04:51.56 | kyu | lucky dvs ;) |
| 04:52.24 | kyu | By the way what happens when there are no toy story characters left? |
| 04:52.26 | kyu | ;) |
| 04:52.35 | dvs | kyu: Toy story II? |
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| 04:52.39 | initech | kyu: debian ZURG |
| 04:52.40 | maher | kyu: no more releases |
| 04:52.41 | kyu | Ah yes, i suppose |
| 04:52.42 | tuxJr_14 | hi |
| 04:52.42 | kyu | ;) |
| 04:52.52 | kyu | maher, heh |
| 04:52.54 | goobit | phorce1, a good set up for RAID promises more than a poorly set up one |
| 04:53.08 | tuxJr_14 | what should i apt-get to be able to play ogg? |
| 04:53.19 | tuxJr_14 | ogg123 is not5 avilable |
| 04:53.24 | tuxJr_14 | *not |
| 04:53.27 | goobit | phorce1, tar is for tape archive..can't wait to get my tape drive :) so I can compare tapes and RAID and laugh at you :) |
| 04:53.39 | kyu | apt-cache search ogg |
| 04:53.39 | Supaplex | tuxJr_14: you're aware of /msg dpkg search, right? |
| 04:53.47 | phorce1 | goobit: Had to make a fresh, correct, install on a new server, update it to the same point as the failed server, then copy all of '/' except /boot (empty on the mirror), /vmlinuz (in case it pointed to the wrong kernel in /boot) and /initrd.img (in case IT pointed to the wrong file in /boot) |
| 04:54.01 | tuxJr_14 | err.. now i do. thanks, Supaplex |
| 04:54.07 | goobit | phorce1, shouldn't you be using tape anyways? tar is a 12 second command in comparison to you ! |
| 04:54.43 | goobit | phorce1, ? |
| 04:55.01 | goobit | phorce1, all you need is preferences from /home /var and /etc .. |
| 04:55.08 | phorce1 | goobit: If I had set it up properly in the first place in would have taken under a minute to bring back up -- just unplug the dead drive |
| 04:55.22 | goobit | phorce1, then --get-selections with dpkg and --set-selections back on woody.. |
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| 04:55.43 | goobit | phorce1, so how much is being copied? |
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| 04:56.12 | phorce1 | goobit: "a lot" (tm) |
| 04:56.22 | goobit | phorce1, so basically it took you twelve hours to find the right tar command? hahahaha |
| 04:56.33 | goobit | phorce1, get a tape drive beanor! |
| 04:56.37 | phorce1 | goobit: I didn't 'du' it. I don't want to know really |
| 04:57.09 | phorce1 | goobit: no, I tried to rebuild the RAID in place first. |
| 04:57.20 | goobit | phorce1, bet you its not even a gigabit, you can test the stats on the nic, see how well its performing.. |
| 04:57.39 | goobit | phorce1, i mean gigabit-> parlance at the bit measure per second.. |
| 04:57.51 | gentgeen__ | have /opt as a logical volume and need to extend it 10G -- where do I check to make sure i have the right "LogicalVolumePath" |
| 04:58.01 | goobit | phorce1, wait a minute.. |
| 04:58.12 | goobit | phorce1, a RAID was not meant to be rebuild now is it? |
| 04:58.48 | goobit | phorce1, if RAID fails, at least one of the drives should be close to the original... what good is that investment then? |
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| 04:59.07 | Xytek^ | Can anyone tell me what this means? dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `sun-j2re1.5' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. 62756 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 04:59.17 | goobit | gentgeen__, man lvm |
| 04:59.28 | Xytek^ | I followed the instructions on the adminstration site, and its giving me that error. |
| 04:59.41 | goobit | gentgeen__, extend both the volume, then the filesystem, two commands |
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| 05:00.11 | phorce1 | goobit: once again, if I had built it correctly in the first place... |
| 05:00.14 | goobit | phorce1, you can du -hs * for current directory |
| 05:00.32 | goobit | phorce1, that does a summary for each directory... |
| 05:00.46 | goobit | phorce1, it must of not been setup at all then... |
| 05:00.48 | top | where are the definitions correlating the keystrokes with the unicode (or..whatever) for the x11 "multi" key |
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| 05:01.16 | myren | my motherboard's ide driver cant take over ide0: ALI15X3: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0 |
| 05:01.18 | goobit | phorce1, df -h . (with the dot) does the current mountpoint for diskfree and human readable (rather than showing # blocks) |
| 05:01.21 | myren | and thus i cant get DMA |
| 05:01.25 | myren | no dma = DDDEEEATTTHH |
| 05:01.29 | Supaplex | drupal security update erm... |
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| 05:02.22 | goobit | phorce1, when done you can try that on the received machine-> du -hs / |
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| 05:02.29 | myren | i cant figure out what i'm supposed to do to debug this |
| 05:02.35 | Bluez99 | Hi |
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| 05:02.49 | top | i was thinking about branching out from the basic multi-key and adding keystrokes for other symbols, i can't find anything that does that though in existence |
| 05:02.55 | jairo | me podria indicar alguien el char en español? |
| 05:02.57 | top | which is a good other question actually, i may not have to make my own |
| 05:03.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Get the airport base station? |
| 05:03.15 | cat | jairo: #debian-es |
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| 05:03.36 | phorce1 | goobit: the mirror only had '/' on it, no boot information. So I first tried doing a fresh install creating a single drive RAID1 in degraded mode then add the old mirror to that -- but that created a bad /boot so after it was added it would have needed to do a full sync before it could possibly boot. syncing an empty drive takes MUCH longer than copying files to a filesystem because it does a sector by sector of the entire (248G) surface. It w |
| 05:03.43 | TwistedEmotions | That's dope.. there are different languages for debian support? |
| 05:03.47 | jairo | gracias |
| 05:03.58 | TwistedEmotions | jairo: de nada. |
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| 05:04.11 | m0r3 | :>) |
| 05:04.11 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha.. Weee... I used all the spanish I know. |
| 05:04.22 | goobit | phorce1, another trick in the shell is -> ls -lad */ for directory names listed in current directory and there's a different with -> du -hs /home and du -hs /home/ (note the bitchin' '/' appended) |
| 05:04.25 | top | ? |
| 05:04.27 | top | whoops |
| 05:04.39 | Withdraw | anyone know if bootsplash will work w/ the 2.6.12.2 kernel? |
| 05:04.40 | Bluez99 | Im setting up my first linux system (debian) and I have a few question. I was able to download an irc client, so I can talk from the same system. The main problem that I'm having is that when the computer goes to stand by mode, it will not come back. it is due to power managment I believe. Im not sure how to check the power managment. I also, for some reason, I cannot increase more than 800x600 and when I found a way of doing it, th |
| 05:04.40 | Bluez99 | e screen using gnome , it looks weird. |
| 05:04.50 | TwistedEmotions | Awwww... no #debian-farsi? |
| 05:04.52 | m0r3 | thought it was portuguese |
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| 05:04.55 | goobit | phorce1, for me its a difference because i have /home as a symlink to a stiky bit directory somewhere else.. |
| 05:05.16 | ethics | Withdraw, mine works.. |
| 05:05.46 | goobit | phorce1, another bitch is having a file named "-", the only way to get rid of it is like this-> (found this out last week) --> rm ./\- :) |
| 05:05.49 | top | is there a faq about this irc server? |
| 05:06.13 | goobit | phorce1, bet you'd spend 12 hours on that too *lol |
| 05:06.18 | TwistedEmotions | m0r3: they're close.. I thought it was spanish.. maybe I was wrong. |
| 05:06.37 | m0r3 | Bluez99 run try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:06.39 | liable | top: http://freenode.net/ |
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| 05:07.00 | ChapelPaige | Darn errors. |
| 05:07.09 | goobit | phorce1, um, funny it worked without it this time.. but just in case, that's a tip.. (must of been another lame distro) |
| 05:07.19 | m0r3 | ok TwistedEmotions any problem really sry if i apear not polite |
| 05:07.23 | Bluez99 | mor3: I try that already |
| 05:07.28 | Withdraw | ethics, how did u compile ur kernel, i cant find Dev drivers>graphic support>bootsplash |
| 05:07.35 | m0r3 | and what u got? |
| 05:07.49 | deeku | anybody else having problems running/compiling marillat's mplayer debs? |
| 05:07.51 | ChapelPaige | How do I fix a undefined reference to `dlopen' and similar errors when 'Making' a file? |
| 05:08.01 | Withdraw | wait is this tmobile ethics? |
| 05:08.11 | Bluez99 | mor3: I changed to ATI , becuase is what I have. I know the model I have which is the ATI Radeon mobility Fire.... |
| 05:08.12 | phorce1 | goobit: there was another one that's a pain in the rear to delete that I found on an old box (that had bad sectors) -- of yeah, a file named '?'. I think I ended up moving everything else out of the directory then doing an rm -rf |
| 05:08.30 | goobit | phorce1, you use "\" |
| 05:08.32 | top | liable: i meant more like the channels and etiquette type questions. the debian related aspect. |
| 05:08.50 | goobit | phorce1, its a regex, like others such as in man regex |
| 05:08.56 | TwistedEmotions | m0r3: No worries buddy ;) I dont know if it was portug or spanish either... ;) And you seem very polite |
| 05:09.02 | goobit | phorce1, ~ can be a file too |
| 05:09.06 | Bluez99 | Well, It run fine but if I go to applications ...screen resolution and I choose the 1024x768 it looks bad |
| 05:09.23 | m0r3 | TwistedEmotions many many thanks |
| 05:09.28 | ethics | withdraw i used my previous kernel configs and chnaged what new i wanted |
| 05:09.59 | phorce1 | goobit: there was one that escaping wasn't working on. Been a while since it happened and it was caused by a flaky drive that needed 3 passes through fsck to clean up |
| 05:10.06 | goobit | phorce1, if you're not sure how to escape a regex, just echo it and see what it is with the echo command.. |
| 05:10.12 | gentgeen__ | before running lvextend, should I unmount it? |
| 05:10.28 | Withdraw | ethics, did u have to apply that kernel patch? |
| 05:10.28 | Withdraw | http://www.bootsplash.org/kernel.html |
| 05:10.32 | goobit | phorce1, have rm interactively, for eg: a file name ~ you don't want rm -rf ~, but rm -i \~ |
| 05:10.44 | Bluez99 | but the screen I can research, but the big problem is when my computer goes idle for a while, it goes to standby (because is a laptop) and I'm lost in what to do... but I will shutdown for today I guess... and try again tomorrow :) |
| 05:10.49 | m0r3 | Bluez99 I believe you have to reconfigure your XFree system |
| 05:10.58 | goobit | phorce1, you don't want to rm all of ~ but rather just the file named "~" |
| 05:11.01 | myren | this sucks so bad; my IDE controller module cant usurp control from the generic IDE module that starts up. Thus NO DMA. No dma = death & pain. Please help. "ALI15X3: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0" |
| 05:11.15 | ethics | Withdraw, i dont think so, i never needed to patch |
| 05:11.31 | ethics | Withdraw, im pci express tho |
| 05:12.01 | goobit | gentgeen__, currently working on mountpoints in this case is not possible |
| 05:12.16 | goobit | gentgeen__, I could be dead wrong though.. |
| 05:12.18 | Withdraw | ethics did u have to install sysv-rc-bootsplash? |
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| 05:12.43 | gentgeen__ | so unmount /opt before extending the volume would be a good idea ;-) |
| 05:12.46 | goobit | gentgeen__, but its best to unmount the lvm volume, after that you need to resize the filesystem on the volume to match the lvm volume size.. |
| 05:12.51 | ethics | Withdraw, yeah |
| 05:12.58 | Miazmatic | will the debian installer recognize my software raid and logical volume groups? |
| 05:13.03 | Withdraw | i think thats what im doiing wrong |
| 05:13.13 | gentgeen__ | goobit, found that info in the LVM-HOWTO.gz file -- thanks |
| 05:13.14 | Withdraw | *doing |
| 05:13.14 | goobit | gentgeen__, don't forget to check it after with e2fsck for any possibly corruptions.. |
| 05:13.35 | goobit | gentgeen__, zless the file if you need to read it.. |
| 05:13.35 | gentgeen__ | user reiserfs (sp?) what would I use then? |
| 05:13.49 | gentgeen__ | lynx worked find on in :-) |
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| 05:13.56 | gentgeen__ | s/user/using |
| 05:14.25 | goobit | gentgeen__, dam you, use apropos reiserfs |
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| 05:14.30 | ChapelPaige | Is there a good program for anon surfing? |
| 05:14.44 | gentgeen__ | :-) sorry -- but thanks |
| 05:15.06 | goobit | gentgeen__, apropos is a cmd |
| 05:15.16 | Miazmatic | anyone know if d-i will autodetect RAID and LVM VGs? |
| 05:15.18 | Guerin | ChapelPaige: tor |
| 05:15.39 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 05:15.39 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:15.44 | TwistedEmotions | basterd. |
| 05:15.45 | goobit | ChapelPaige, yes, I can offer a free service, but it takes 25$ to setup for the year..what's your credit # again? |
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| 05:15.53 | ChapelPaige | I can't get tor to work properly it keeps giving me "undefined reference" errors. |
| 05:15.53 | Guerin | Miazmatic: dunno, never used either. |
| 05:15.55 | ChapelPaige | Cute Goobit, cute. |
| 05:16.01 | nichos | hi all, i have a process that is "D+" is there anyway to kill it? |
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| 05:16.07 | gentgeen__ | goobit, right, checking the man page now |
| 05:16.16 | Guerin | ChapelPaige: using the debian tor? |
| 05:16.46 | ChapelPaige | Perhaps I'm looking on the wrong page... |
| 05:16.54 | m0r3 | bye |
| 05:16.55 | gentgeen__ | goobit, fsck.reiserfs will do the trick -- just fyi |
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| 05:17.07 | goobit | nichos, give it an A+ and it'll get so high, it'll kill and collapse on itself, check the killtree right after and make sure it hasn't landed on root |
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| 05:17.19 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: !language sais that I should use the "Country Code" does it mean as in Country Calling Codes? |
| 05:17.29 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: no. |
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| 05:17.56 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: country code like USA=us, korea=kr, new zealand=nz |
| 05:17.59 | goobit | gentgeen__, man it and rtfm.., there's also whatis (->trick dpkg -L man|grep bin); huh package? dpkg -S `which binaryfile` gives package name.. |
| 05:18.05 | brknsoul | ahem, that's better |
| 05:18.12 | goobit | gentgeen__, sounds better? |
| 05:18.16 | brknsoul | !lart brknsoul |
| 05:18.17 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Ahhh... Hmmm... Iran? |
| 05:18.26 | ChapelPaige | Unless the website claims "apt-get install tor" doesn't work... |
| 05:18.26 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: ir, i think |
| 05:18.28 | brknsoul | um yeah.. |
| 05:18.32 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you live in iran? |
| 05:18.39 | TwistedEmotions | Weee.. got it. |
| 05:18.39 | gentgeen__ | Ya, I got it -- I just wanted to let you know that fsck.reiserfs is the right choice |
| 05:18.43 | brknsoul | where can i get a debian 3.1r0a sources.list? |
| 05:18.48 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: no US... but I'm persian. |
| 05:18.49 | Guerin | brknsoul: apt-setup |
| 05:18.52 | gentgeen__ | just an fyi -- incase you wanted/needed to know later |
| 05:18.57 | brknsoul | thanks gu |
| 05:19.15 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: how's it going to be travelling through iran as a whitey? |
| 05:19.18 | goobit | gentgeen__, wtf is all this "--" for? |
| 05:19.30 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Your going to iran? |
| 05:19.33 | brknsoul | Guerin: sweet, my local ISP has a copy |
| 05:19.51 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: going from korean -> uk by land; can't really avoid it |
| 05:19.56 | gentgeen__ | I guess it is the same a your .... just a pause |
| 05:20.07 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: more worried about iraq and uzbekistan and afghanistan than iran, but you never know |
| 05:20.08 | goobit | TwistedEmotions, I've been to iwalk and icrawl.. aren't you missing the .com? |
| 05:20.11 | brknsoul | thanks again, Guerin |
| 05:20.18 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: So just visiting as in the airport? |
| 05:20.18 | phorce1 | well crap-ola again. This machine is gonna kill me yet. Now I'm not seeing any disk activity and the "originating" machine looks locked up. No response to keyboard, blank screen (which would have gotten that way because of the TTY settings) |
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| 05:20.21 | Guerin | brknsoul: no wuckin' furries mate. |
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| 05:20.47 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: no... by land. Travelling. In through afghanistan or pakistan, out through iraq most likely |
| 05:20.57 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: using public transport |
| 05:21.03 | goobit | Guerin, you're a british soul aren't ya matey! |
| 05:21.08 | Guerin | goobit: nope. |
| 05:21.10 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: no one will care anyways... just wear a normal clean shirt.. perferably in a long sleeve T-Shirt.. |
| 05:21.21 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: will my wife get grief? |
| 05:21.25 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: stop off somewhere to eat... |
| 05:21.25 | goobit | Guerin, haven't yet awash the shores captain? |
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| 05:21.49 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: oh, we'll likely spend several weeks in/around Teheran |
| 05:22.00 | goobit | Guerin, can I come to the plane to ? |
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| 05:22.12 | Guerin | goobit: what plane? |
| 05:22.14 | goobit | Guerin, to Iran and tooo? |
| 05:22.20 | dabaR | what does the ? at the beginning of the permissions for symbolic links mean? |
| 05:22.28 | Guerin | what part of korean -> uk by land implies aircraft? |
| 05:22.36 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Errrr... probably... last I heard four months ago head wear was no longer required but I would recommend that just for safety tell her to hear normal headwear. |
| 05:22.40 | Gnea | Guerin: moving? |
| 05:22.47 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: sounds fair. |
| 05:22.49 | goobit | Guerin, I want to see you on my GPS receiver, you think my little brother will grief? |
| 05:22.51 | Guerin | Gnea: eventually. |
| 05:23.03 | Gnea | Guerin: nifty. |
| 05:23.27 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: most likely since they know you are american they wont mess with you but just in case... and travel by taxi... it's cheap and easy... not to mention traffic is horrible so taxi is best. |
| 05:23.29 | goobit | i'm going to eat some nachos.. |
| 05:23.42 | Guerin | anyone who thinks they're up to roughing it and travelling 20,000km on the cheap with a couple of mad new zealanders and an irish doctor is welcome to join us |
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| 05:23.49 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: we're not american. |
| 05:24.03 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Race? |
| 05:24.06 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: and iran is a bigass country to travel around by taxi, innit...? |
| 05:24.06 | dabaR | che guevara would go. |
| 05:24.15 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: human. |
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| 05:24.19 | goobit | TwistedEmotions, you don't need to look european to be an american you know :).. and just because you're american doesn't make Iran or Iraq any safer.. |
| 05:24.39 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I mean near/in tehran... not the whole country ;) |
| 05:24.43 | Guerin | goobit: you know about the middle east? |
| 05:24.52 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: heh, that makes sense. |
| 05:24.52 | x^equa|s2 | how can i talk to other users logged into a server? |
| 05:25.00 | Guerin | x^equa|s2: man write |
| 05:25.03 | cot | Question.. If I get the minimal distro of Debian... Am I allowed to use a Linksys adapter.. or does it _have_ to be PPP dial-up or ethernet |
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| 05:25.09 | TwistedEmotions | goobit: you sounds ignorant my friend. |
| 05:25.09 | goobit | Guerin, Yes, Americans placed dictators for democracies and now its unsafe for Americans to travel there.. all in the name of oil.. |
| 05:25.11 | x^equa|s2 | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:25.17 | cot | I mean I have a USB-to-ethernet connector for the cable modem. |
| 05:25.28 | Guerin | goobit: ok, so you know absolutely nothing. |
| 05:25.34 | goobit | Guerin, and its hard to change it..that's what all of the problems are about -> oil+exploitation.. |
| 05:25.54 | goobit | Guerin, read up about the history of Iran, you'll see what I mean... |
| 05:26.04 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: basically.. respect local culture and you will be fine.. dont even worry about it. |
| 05:26.08 | goobit | Iran is not safe for Americans! |
| 05:26.09 | Guerin | goobit: i'm pretty familiar with the histopry of iran, thanks. |
| 05:26.32 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: ok, that's good news, and the same advice as I've gotten from everyone I've asked about everywhere. |
| 05:26.33 | cot | hm |
| 05:26.34 | goobit | Guerin, doesn't sound like, you're restricted to closed rich complexes..you can't go anywhere else in the country.. |
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| 05:26.41 | goobit | Guerin, if you know what I mean.. |
| 05:26.41 | cot | did anyone see my question? I guess not. |
| 05:26.42 | Guerin | goobit: nowhere is safe for anyone. |
| 05:26.47 | brknsoul | !lart brknsoul |
| 05:26.51 | brknsoul | again |
| 05:26.51 | Guerin | goobit: you're completely full of shit. |
| 05:26.55 | goobit | Guerin, no, In the middle east, you have no civil liberties.. |
| 05:26.58 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: you will love it there if you got money (decent amounts) |
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| 05:27.11 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: i'm going to be travelling on the mega-cheap |
| 05:27.16 | brknsoul | is there a specific chan for debian help, or is this it? |
| 05:27.20 | goobit | Guerin, I know life, not only shit..Its a fact.. Americans are not safe in Iran unless in Complex housing.. |
| 05:27.23 | TwistedEmotions | goobit: dont speak about something you know nothing about. |
| 05:27.28 | cot | brknsoul: I think they're busy arguing. |
| 05:27.36 | brknsoul | cot: lol |
| 05:27.38 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, this is it, just slipped some |
| 05:27.57 | cot | Okay, then can someone at least acknowledge my question I asked above? Or at least say 'I don't know'. |
| 05:27.57 | Guerin | goobit: stfukthx |
| 05:27.58 | cot | :P |
| 05:28.07 | cot | or maybe a 'RTFM' would be nice. |
| 05:28.09 | cot | anything. |
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| 05:28.14 | goobit | TwistedEmotions, ahem..I know there's oil in the middle east...and I know Americans are not like very much in the muslim world--> "Oil" is the main source of economics .. ok fine I know shit, thank you.. |
| 05:28.16 | brknsoul | is apt-get remove gnome* safe for removing gnome? |
| 05:28.20 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: just try the yogurt drinks they server there and the kabab... goooood ass food ;) |
| 05:28.25 | liable | cot: stfu and rtfm :P |
| 05:28.27 | Guerin | cot: i don't - all i know is that proprietary stupid usb modems rarely work with real software |
| 05:28.36 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: i love middle eastern food. |
| 05:28.43 | phorce1 | Guerin: when are you making your travels? (did I miss the dates?) |
| 05:28.44 | cot | heh, so I guess I can't use it.. that is teh sux. |
| 05:29.08 | Guerin | phorce1: starting from korea 1st of march 2006 |
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| 05:29.36 | dabaR | cot: I mean...you did not get an answer yet. |
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| 05:29.43 | TwistedEmotions | goobit: Americans are safe in Iran... no one cares that your american except that your a little lighter then everyone else... money rules there.. not race. You know what Bush's reporters wrote, so respectfully.. you know nothing. |
| 05:29.47 | brknsoul | is 'apt-get remove gnome* safe' for removing gnome? |
| 05:29.51 | phorce1 | Guerin: You should be OK with the observer local customs rules then. Bahrain during Ramadan (October) SUCKED! |
| 05:29.52 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, do a test run first, and see waht it will remove |
| 05:29.56 | Vinland | I'm writing a startup script for a program and...I need it to switch to a user called guest before running the '/usr/bin/opendchub' command. Do simply just 'su guest' on the line before? |
| 05:29.59 | Guerin | phorce1: heh. |
| 05:30.12 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 05:30.12 | dpkg | somebody said remove gnome was apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove rest. |
| 05:30.23 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, 'apt-get -s gnome* |
| 05:30.32 | Guerin | Vinland: better to use su guest -c command |
| 05:30.36 | cot | dabaR: I did get an answer... it was stfu and rtfm.. and "I don't know" |
| 05:30.36 | brknsoul | thanks gentgeen__ , Guerin |
| 05:31.02 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: You will love it and the food is best from the source man... good food and happy people |
| 05:31.03 | goobit | TwistedEmotions, hey, relax, its all over the news, and the matter is that it has nothing to do with me, I'm safe here in Canada..but I still remain speculative and watchout for the big hits..like what just happened in London.. it can happen anywhere.. but there's a reason for it.. if you really dwelve into it.. and if you read about it all over the net.. |
| 05:31.14 | goobit | there's a logical reason for everything, period.. |
| 05:31.15 | dabaR | cot: I meant, you did not get info to determine whether it will work, or not |
| 05:31.18 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, I always use the -s before removing anything -- just to check what will happen |
| 05:31.30 | Guerin | goobit: as Public Enemy said many years ago: |
| 05:31.40 | paradise | how can i use this command on debian mkfs.reiser4 ? |
| 05:31.44 | cot | dabaR: Welp, do you know the answer? |
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| 05:31.51 | Guerin | goobit: Don't, don't don't, don't don't believe the hype (yeeeah) |
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| 05:31.57 | dabaR | nope, I would haave answered already. |
| 05:31.58 | brknsoul | is --purge nessescary? |
| 05:32.17 | goobit | Guerin, and no I don't carry a gun like 1/3 of Americans do, and I have nothing against americans other than my country and me personally are against that war without true basis (it was all for the oil period..).. |
| 05:32.17 | Guerin | brknsoul: unless you want to keep config files |
| 05:32.19 | cot | well, I don't want to install unless I'm sure... I'm trying out freebsd |
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| 05:32.26 | phorce1 | Guerin: And the thing is, during Ramadan they keep the restaurants and such open for the tourists -- but how crude do you have to be to actualy walk into some place and order a midday meal and eat it in front of an entire staff who is allowed nothing but enough water to survive from sunup to sundown. |
| 05:32.27 | TwistedEmotions | goobit: Just stop please... You relate Iran and Iraq like were friends or some shit.. do you realize that we were in a war with them like 15 years ago? It's like saying Japanese and Chinese are the same.. and just as ignorant. |
| 05:32.29 | brknsoul | gentgeen__ : there seems to be no errors |
| 05:32.40 | Guerin | phorce1: hell yeah. |
| 05:32.51 | brknsoul | gentgeen__ : i guess if it removes anything i need, i'll just reinstall it ;-) |
| 05:33.11 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, not really looking for errors, you just want to look through the packages any and make sure that something you want is not getting removed by accident |
| 05:33.42 | Guerin | i'm most worried about the fact that it's going to be freaking hot and no beer :( |
| 05:33.50 | gentgeen__ | Something that BIG -- I would even do a cut/paste on the output from 'apt-get -s " and save it somewhere |
| 05:33.54 | brknsoul | gentgeen__ : yeah, not really anything there that i couldn't live without |
| 05:34.05 | Vinland | whats the addy to that site that lets me paste a bunch of code? |
| 05:34.06 | gentgeen__ | just incase something goofy happened |
| 05:34.07 | goobit | TwistedEmotions, not the people of course, its all pure economics.. The reason why Saddam was crying is because he said "ouin" Kuwait is taking away all my oil.. even if it were with Iran there are speculations about how sane the insanity is with closed goverments, and who put the dictators like Saddam and leaders of Iran in place? THe american government and all for oil deals of course..! :) |
| 05:34.13 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, cool, then go for it :-) |
| 05:34.28 | brknsoul | gentgeen__ : done ;-) ahhh sweet, sweet kde lol |
| 05:34.39 | Guerin | Vinland: /msg dpkg paster |
| 05:34.43 | TwistedEmotions | goobit: by the way... the "terrorists" who hit on 9/11 and probably the London attacks were actually based in Libya.. not afgans or Iraqi's.. we just went to those places because Bush has buisnesses in Libya. |
| 05:34.49 | goobit | TwistedEmotions, nuff politics, but everybody's entitled to an opinion, and there's a reason behind everything |
| 05:34.50 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, now you want to do an apt-get install blackbox |
| 05:34.51 | gentgeen__ | :-) |
| 05:34.52 | brknsoul | !apt kde rules |
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| 05:35.03 | Guerin | !opinions |
| 05:35.03 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your arsehole. Well, maybe both. |
| 05:35.06 | brknsoul | apt no longer exists? |
| 05:35.10 | brknsoul | !dpkg apt |
| 05:35.10 | dpkg | it has been said that apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
| 05:35.14 | phorce1 | It's been several years but I don't recall alcohol being taboo in bahrain. It was the fact that I was there from the day before Ramadan started to the the day before it ended that left the biggest impression on my mind. |
| 05:35.18 | TwistedEmotions | goobit: okay were done. |
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| 05:35.32 | brknsoul | !dpkg kde rules |
| 05:35.45 | Guerin | brknsoul: stop |
| 05:35.49 | goobit | TwistedEmotions, the American government has always used economical tools to buy off other governments and corrupt free going democratic process in excuse of communist rule-- dwelving and cutting the way for idealistic tyranny for better oil economics.. |
| 05:35.57 | liable | brknsoul: you mean apt the bot? |
| 05:36.03 | gentgeen__ | TwistedEmotions, well I gues you were done :-( |
| 05:36.17 | Guerin | goobit: christ, will you just shut the fuck up? |
| 05:36.20 | cot | ah fuck linux |
| 05:36.22 | DrX | !reiser4 |
| 05:36.22 | dpkg | methinks reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
| 05:36.23 | liable | goobit: enough already. |
| 05:36.30 | TwistedEmotions | gentgeen__: haha he needs that last word.. it's okay ;) |
| 05:36.30 | brknsoul | liable: yup |
| 05:36.35 | goobit | Guerin, I have, but its just an opinion...relax.. no where is safe.. |
| 05:36.36 | brknsoul | Guerin : sorry ;-) |
| 05:36.37 | cot | dude, no one can have a political discussion if everyone has to shut the fuck up |
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| 05:36.46 | cot | seriously, people always get angry over crap like this. it's stupid |
| 05:36.50 | bob2 | come on kids |
| 05:36.56 | cot | if you can't handle it, don't bring it up. |
| 05:36.57 | Guerin | this is not #politics |
| 05:37.13 | gentgeen__ | go to #politics if you want a political discussion |
| 05:37.17 | pauljusm | question is there a good web based or gui scsi hard disk manager |
| 05:37.20 | brknsoul | yes please |
| 05:37.27 | Guerin | i started the offtopicness, but i really didn't try to spark anything more than a small discussion within very limited bounds |
| 05:37.32 | goobit | Guerin, hey, I have nothing against americans, its just your government of "humanitarian" masked breeded words of cover up I hate. (after the years of exploitation for its riches and masks..) period, point final.. |
| 05:37.37 | mwilson | You have to wonder why people voluntarily use Reiser. :) That's not a political discussion... that's a lack-of-intelligence discussion. :) |
| 05:37.38 | pauljusm | im working with 24 scsi drives on a fiber channel qlogic card |
| 05:37.38 | cot | well look how out of hand it has become |
| 05:37.42 | cot | you have people asking for questions |
| 05:37.43 | rixth | How do you stop Gnome from grouping items on the taskbar? |
| 05:37.48 | cot | and you guys are busy arguing about stupid shit |
| 05:37.50 | Guerin | goobit: how many fucking times must i tell you that I'M NOT FUCKING AMERICAN |
| 05:37.58 | cot | heh |
| 05:38.10 | rixth | hah. |
| 05:38.11 | brknsoul | please try to keep on topic, now if you're talking about using debian in the middle east, then fine, other head over to #politics ;-) |
| 05:38.14 | dippo | <-- fucking american |
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| 05:38.30 | goobit | Guerin, I never said you were, but the message to those who believe anywhere may be safe..you aren't! |
| 05:38.36 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:38.36 | cot | aussie aussie aussie |
| 05:38.38 | cot | oi oi oi |
| 05:38.38 | rixth | <-- fucking american citizen living in New Zealand |
| 05:38.41 | brknsoul | oi oi oi lol |
| 05:38.44 | rixth | Ew cot. |
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| 05:38.58 | gentgeen__ | Yinz Guz need to stop |
| 05:38.58 | goobit | Guerin, just don't follow the lame claim because you are "American" nobody can do anything to you, how pathetic! |
| 05:39.00 | cot | heh |
| 05:39.04 | cot | i'm not aussie either |
| 05:39.04 | cot | :P |
| 05:39.11 | brknsoul | lol @ cot |
| 05:39.16 | cot | I have nfc why I said "Aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi" |
| 05:39.16 | cot | :P |
| 05:39.23 | lhs | oh ,too heavy |
| 05:39.35 | Guerin | goobit: i didn't, and i again suggest you can it before bob2 cans you. |
| 05:39.39 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 05:39.40 | goobit | dippo, I said government, I never said I hate American civilians at all...relax there.. |
| 05:39.59 | cot | I know something that will bring up another heated discussion |
| 05:40.00 | cot | lol |
| 05:40.04 | TwistedEmotions | Jesus christ.. can we get a +m |
| 05:40.05 | initech | ok, well I hate Americans, so there |
| 05:40.06 | goobit | Guerin, well if I know why my country didn't participate, I can tell you why and wouldn't mind at all.. |
| 05:40.08 | Vinland | http://channels.debian.net/paste/325 --> I can't seem to get this service to run as guest, this is my startup script |
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| 05:40.18 | goobit | Guerin, war is wrong, period! |
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| 05:40.31 | cot | heh |
| 05:40.34 | Hostile | initech, heh, wtf? |
| 05:40.37 | TwistedEmotions | Weeeee ;) |
| 05:40.39 | goobit | Guerin, I rather do irc flame wars of opinion than kill innocent civilians for oil, that's for sure! |
| 05:40.40 | bob2 | #politics, folks. |
| 05:40.47 | Hostile | yea |
| 05:40.50 | Hostile | come on this is #debian |
| 05:40.53 | goobit | ya! |
| 05:40.59 | Guerin | so, how about debconf, guys? |
| 05:40.59 | pauljusm | im working with 24 scsi drives on a fiber channel qlogic card |
| 05:41.03 | pauljusm | question is there a good web based or gui scsi hard disk manager |
| 05:41.09 | Vinland | not all war is bad, the iraq war ranks in there as one of the all time dumbest. |
| 05:41.10 | initech | I am american and I still hate the fuckers! hah! |
| 05:41.23 | goobit | I'm Canadian, a pacifist, and peacekeeper, glad my country didn't participate for that oil war.. damm it..and I'm proud to for it.. |
| 05:41.28 | bob2 | dudes |
| 05:41.32 | cot | dudeee |
| 05:41.34 | Guerin | anything to discuss about branden's latest report? |
| 05:41.35 | TwistedEmotions | +m |
| 05:41.36 | bob2 | am I being too subtle? |
| 05:41.38 | cot | like stfukthx |
| 05:41.40 | liable | yes |
| 05:41.43 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.09 | chealer | bob2: where's your CAPS key? |
| 05:42.11 | goobit | gotta turn on the micro..damm it, don't say I know shit, when I know what shit is..butthole |
| 05:42.18 | Vinland | goobit - I'm canadian and I'm sure not proud of it. We have a corrupt government, we are the trash can of the world. We are international known as the nation that bends over and takes it from everyone. |
| 05:43.05 | brknsoul | what's a popular X irc client? (mirc type) |
| 05:43.07 | oKtosiTe | Vinland: I don't know Canada like that, I'm in Europe. |
| 05:43.10 | initech | ? canada sound ok from here |
| 05:43.13 | Schiz0 | brknsoul- XChat. |
| 05:43.14 | liable | brknsoul: xchat |
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| 05:43.17 | oKtosiTe | brknsoul: XChat |
| 05:43.18 | Schiz0 | Xchat is the best irc client ever. |
| 05:43.18 | rixth | Is it theoretically possible for two files to have the same md5? |
| 05:43.18 | gentgeen__ | brknsoul, xchat is a fav |
| 05:43.22 | brknsoul | that's it, thanks |
| 05:43.24 | Guerin | brknsoul: xchat is popular, and less shit than most others |
| 05:43.27 | Guerin | though it's still shit |
| 05:43.31 | dippo | rixth: yes |
| 05:43.34 | Guerin | and its author is fucked in the head |
| 05:43.39 | brknsoul | Schiz0 oKtosiTe gentgeen__ Guerin : thanks ;-0 |
| 05:43.41 | cot | GAIM |
| 05:43.44 | cot | GAIM > AIM |
| 05:43.45 | cot | for sure. |
| 05:43.48 | rixth | Gaim is good id all you want is to chat |
| 05:43.49 | Vinland | oktosite - well if you come to canada, you will notice a country full of fence sitting politically correct whiners. |
| 05:43.52 | Guerin | gaim is an appalling irc client |
| 05:43.53 | gentgeen__ | and xchat made it real easy to ignore some people |
| 05:43.58 | brknsoul | lol |
| 05:44.05 | Guerin | gentgeen__: heh |
| 05:44.09 | brknsoul | psi ftw |
| 05:44.14 | rixth | Guerin: It's good if all you want to do is chat. |
| 05:44.17 | lhs | hello |
| 05:44.22 | oKtosiTe | Vinland: Maybe we don't share the same political views... ;-) |
| 05:44.23 | gentgeen__ | cot, hope that was said tongue in cheek |
| 05:44.26 | gentgeen__ | sp?? |
| 05:44.37 | Guerin | irssi-text > * |
| 05:44.40 | Guerin | for irc and im |
| 05:44.50 | brknsoul | brb, installing xchat.. |
| 05:45.06 | cot | eh |
| 05:45.13 | cot | i can't choose between irssi and xchat |
| 05:45.16 | cot | OMGRAINBOW |
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| 05:45.47 | Vinland | but anyways back to my startup script.... http://channels.debian.net/paste/325 --> any reason why this still runs the services as root rather then guest? |
| 05:45.48 | gentgeen__ | Guerin, just for you "omfg irssi cant do IM!!!!" |
| 05:45.54 | cot | omfg irssi cant dpo im lol!!!1 |
| 05:45.56 | cot | kthx |
| 05:46.00 | Guerin | gentgeen__: stfu n00b, /connect im.bitlbee.org |
| 05:46.02 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.12 | Schiz0 | Dude, Definally IRC via Telnet pwns. |
| 05:46.34 | Hostile | ssh > telnet |
| 05:46.38 | Guerin | gentgeen__: having a user 'guest' with a valid shell isn't wise |
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| 05:46.49 | oKtosiTe | eww, telnet |
| 05:46.53 | mwilson | Vinland: <shrug> Actually reading the man page for su might be beneficial to you. |
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| 05:47.01 | gentgeen__ | Guerin, ???? |
| 05:47.03 | brknsoul | weee |
| 05:47.08 | rixth | telnet != secure |
| 05:47.09 | Guerin | gentgeen__: sorry |
| 05:47.14 | Guerin | Vinland: ^^^^ |
| 05:47.14 | Schiz0 | can you IRC over ssh? |
| 05:47.14 | Vinland | mwilson -- I'll read up on it right now |
| 05:47.20 | Schiz0 | I didn't think you could |
| 05:47.21 | rixth | Schyes |
| 05:47.21 | Hostile | Schiz0, uh yeah |
| 05:47.28 | Guerin | Vinland: your su -c guest and command must be on the same line |
| 05:47.33 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:47.36 | gentgeen__ | k -- got conused there :-) |
| 05:47.36 | Guerin | su guest -c |
| 05:47.57 | bob2 | *cough*sudo*cough* |
| 05:47.59 | Guerin | Vinland: so su guest -c opendchub should be one line |
| 05:47.59 | paradise | hey how to mount reiser4 partition under debian ? |
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| 05:48.03 | Vinland | so 'su guest -c opendchub' |
| 05:48.07 | oKtosiTe | Schiz0: you can do everything over ssh than you can over telnet. |
| 05:48.14 | bob2 | paradise: did you patch your kernel to support it? |
| 05:48.17 | rixth | Where are the hashes for the passwords? |
| 05:48.26 | quittt | what does import do? |
| 05:48.35 | Guerin | rixth: in /etc/shadow ? |
| 05:48.36 | paradise | bob2: kernel 2.6.8.2 |
| 05:48.47 | rixth | bob2, I think reiser4 support is default with the default 2.6 kernel |
| 05:48.48 | bob2 | paradise: so, you can't mount it then |
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| 05:49.07 | paradise | bob2: no way ? |
| 05:49.14 | mwilson | oKtosiTe: Except actually talk to the device that supports telnet, but not ssh. |
| 05:49.26 | bob2 | rixth: do you have a reiser4 module? |
| 05:49.43 | bob2 | I don't seem to have any recent debian kernels around |
| 05:49.44 | oKtosiTe | mwilson: yeah, I know, that's the exception. Goes for my router. |
| 05:49.51 | Guerin | reiser4 is most assuredly not supported by debian kernels |
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| 05:49.54 | rixth | bob2, I'm not using a stock kernel so I'm not 100% sure. |
| 05:50.00 | Guerin | i know this because i patched and built one recently |
| 05:50.00 | bob2 | that's what I thought |
| 05:50.08 | bob2 | paradise: not without recompiling your kernel, it seems |
| 05:50.13 | mwilson | Guerin: Reiser4 isn't supported even by the kernels that include support for it. |
| 05:50.16 | Guerin | there are kernel modules for it, and it's trivial to do with make-kpkg |
| 05:50.31 | Guerin | mwilson: oh, it seems to be working fine thus far (~2 weeks :) |
| 05:50.42 | blu | Is there any way to ask X what font is being used where the mouse is pointing? |
| 05:50.46 | Guerin | err, s/modules/patches/ |
| 05:50.56 | gentgeen__ | Not trying to start any war, but what does 'sudo <WHATEVER-HERE>' have over 'su -c <WHATEVER-HERE>' ? |
| 05:51.08 | paradise | bob2: i see ,so how about installing a new kernel ?such as 2.6.11 or higher ?i don't like to compile |
| 05:51.17 | Guerin | paradise: don't use reiser4 |
| 05:51.30 | mwilson | gentgeen__: other than the obvious that the first doesn't require you to know the root password, and the second does? |
| 05:51.33 | paradise | Guerin: for installing gentoo |
| 05:51.33 | rixth | $1$L**snip**8Ss.7. I take it thats the pass hash? |
| 05:51.54 | Guerin | paradise: gentoo kernels don't support reiser4 by default, either. |
| 05:52.02 | bob2 | paradise: I don't htink any stock kernels support reiser4 |
| 05:52.02 | Guerin | paradise: just use ext3. |
| 05:52.10 | gentgeen__ | mwilson, ya beyond that ... |
| 05:52.24 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 05:52.41 | paradise | Guerin: bob2 : ok ，then give up it ! :-) |
| 05:52.50 | idealbsd | how to make firefox use xpdf to open pdf files not acroread default, i've remove plugin file in ~/.firefox? |
| 05:52.52 | Guerin | paradise: or if you MUST live on the edge, use reiser3, which is supported by both debian and gentoo kernels |
| 05:53.07 | paradise | live on the edge? |
| 05:53.25 | Guerin | paradise: yeah. Use stuff that's known to be broken for a minor increase in performance. |
| 05:53.35 | Guerin | paradise: like reiser's filesystems |
| 05:53.57 | paradise | lol |
| 05:54.16 | paradise | all of my debian partiton are reiserfs |
| 05:54.31 | Guerin | more fool you |
| 05:54.41 | mwilson | paradise: You're asking for sympathy? Musta been a REALLY big gun. |
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| 05:56.53 | brknsoul | ok, here's one for ya: installing ati radeon 9800pro drivers under 3.1r0a |
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| 05:58.23 | brknsoul | no-one? |
| 05:58.33 | brknsoul | !ati |
| 05:58.34 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 05:58.41 | brknsoul | !ati drivers |
| 05:58.41 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 05:59.37 | chealer | !tell brknsoul about msg the bot |
| 05:59.41 | yer | has anyone gotten the realtek supplied modules compiled under 2.4.27? |
| 05:59.49 | yer | for the wpc11 v4 |
| 05:59.49 | goobit | arrrrgghhh need to reboot |
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| 06:00.11 | brknsoul | chealer, k |
| 06:00.23 | gentgeen__ | too bad goobits had to reboot :-) |
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| 06:01.42 | Guerin | hrm |
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| 06:01.47 | yer | come on people WPC11 ver4 wirless card, debian 3.1r0, compiling the drivers, HELP please. |
| 06:01.54 | Guerin | cwatson is a debian developer of no small water |
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| 06:02.06 | Guerin | i somehow doubt he's the same guy |
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| 06:02.46 | cot | yer, if they don't answer it means they don't know usually. |
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| 06:02.59 | yer | cot: I know, but this is my last resort |
| 06:03.07 | yer | cot: so I'm gonna keep asking :P |
| 06:03.11 | cot | :P |
| 06:03.12 | Guerin | yer: if you actually mention what the problem is someone might have the faintest idea of how to help you |
| 06:03.14 | cot | go for it. |
| 06:03.29 | Guerin | instead of just going HELP ME U FUX0RZ |
| 06:03.41 | yer | Guerin: about 12 lines of make errors |
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| 06:03.52 | Guerin | yer: put them up on a httpd |
| 06:03.57 | cot | HALP ME YOU FUX0RS |
| 06:03.59 | Guerin | yer: oh, using unstable? |
| 06:04.48 | ifup | hello I just installed deb SID on my t23 thinkpad and for some reason the X cursor stays on the screen although the cursor for kde works just fine?? can anyone tell me where I should look to fix it TIA |
| 06:04.52 | yer | Guerin: nope |
| 06:04.57 | yer | Guerin: mabe |
| 06:04.58 | positrix | 'cot: shouting like that wont get you anywhere. learn some manners |
| 06:05.02 | sema4 | how do I change /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser from -> konqueror to /usr/bin/firefox ? |
| 06:05.07 | Guerin | yer: don't guess, know. |
| 06:05.08 | yer | Guerin: hold on |
| 06:05.16 | zeke | positrix: Obviously you didn't see it was a joke. |
| 06:05.19 | Guerin | sema4: man update-alternatives |
| 06:05.20 | MobyTurbo | sema4: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 06:05.33 | sema4 | MobyTurbo: tah |
| 06:06.10 | sema4 | oh that's cool |
| 06:06.18 | thoffland | will debian net-install work on a pentium 200mhz from floppy? it's not doinganything after I specified the ftp site... |
| 06:06.20 | positrix | zeke: sorry, i just joined and saw him shouting... |
| 06:06.23 | zeke | :P |
| 06:06.27 | zeke | yah i know. |
| 06:06.29 | Guerin | thoffland: network up? |
| 06:06.39 | thoffland | Guerin: yep! |
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| 06:06.58 | Guerin | thoffland: can ping a site? drop to a shell if you need to test. |
| 06:07.17 | yer | Guerin: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r0 (Sarge) |
| 06:07.20 | thoffland | Guerin: ok, i'll try that... right now it's just a blue screen with a gray bar at the bottom |
| 06:07.33 | sema4 | what's testings new name? |
| 06:07.54 | MobyTurbo | sema4: etch |
| 06:08.10 | Guerin | yer: ok, so the gcc4 transition isn't what's breaking it. Does the module say anything about what tools should be used to build it? Compare with what you're actually using. |
| 06:08.12 | brknsoul | what's debian's deal with names from toy story? |
| 06:08.13 | sema4 | MobyTurbo: cool |
| 06:08.22 | Guerin | thoffland: alt-f2 should get you a shell |
| 06:08.29 | MobyTurbo | brknsoul: Bruce Perens worked for Pixar |
| 06:08.31 | Guerin | brknsoul: /msg dpkg releases |
| 06:08.38 | yer | Guerin: yeah, gcc |
| 06:08.45 | brknsoul | (ctrl-alt-Fx for some ppl) |
| 06:08.48 | yer | Guerin: thats all it really said |
| 06:08.58 | yer | Guerin: hold up, ill put the make errors on my website |
| 06:08.59 | Guerin | brknsoul: only from X |
| 06:09.12 | brknsoul | yah |
| 06:09.13 | thoffland | Guerin: ok, i got to hte menu and tried to ping yahoo... no good. It's not letting me install drivers, and I've tried 2 disks for the cd-drivers.img |
| 06:09.15 | brknsoul | Guerin: yah |
| 06:09.23 | Guerin | yer: i can't program worth a damn, and usually give up if I see make errors, but someone else might be able to help |
| 06:09.25 | MobyTurbo | brknsoul: at least that's more connected with Debian than types of hops are with Red Hat/Fedora |
| 06:09.40 | brknsoul | MobyTurbo: hehe |
| 06:09.51 | Guerin | thoffland: ok, so you can't ping. what makes you think the network is up? |
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| 06:10.11 | brknsoul | time to send myself insane with an attempt to install fglrx.. |
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| 06:10.35 | thoffland | Guerin: It was an assumption... it found my cox.net address... so I thought it was good. I just had BSD installed on this, so I know the hardware works |
| 06:10.46 | Guerin | thoffland: dhcp? |
| 06:10.59 | Guerin | thoffland: do you ahve /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 06:11.19 | thoffland | Guerin: let me check, i've only been able to load the root and boot.img floppies |
| 06:11.40 | thoffland | Guerin: yes, i have an ip |
| 06:11.46 | positrix | im using a laptop, and just disconnected an external monitor, and now my console is unreadable. X works fine though. i think its something to do with the video mode. how can i fix it? |
| 06:11.48 | Guerin | thoffland: i don't know how a floppy install runs, i've never done one |
| 06:12.01 | Guerin | thoffland: ok. got nameservers? |
| 06:12.03 | brknsoul | Linux violet 2.6.8-2-386 #1 == kernel-source-2.6.8 ? |
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| 06:12.09 | cat | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 positrix |
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| 06:12.23 | Guerin | brknsoul: 2.6.8-2 debian patched source |
| 06:12.35 | thoffland | Guerin: i dont see any on the sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:12.42 | brknsoul | Guerin: so, k..-s.. 2.6.8 will do? |
| 06:12.48 | Guerin | thoffland: it won't show them. Do you have /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 06:12.56 | liable | positrix: try 'reset' in the console.. |
| 06:12.57 | Guerin | brknsoul: eh? |
| 06:13.02 | chealer | brknsoul: it's from a kernel-image package |
| 06:13.08 | Guerin | brknsoul: i know nothing about ati or fglrx |
| 06:13.12 | yer | Guerin: http://defalconixe.no-ip.com/~yer/error.make.txt |
| 06:13.19 | brknsoul | Guerin: i need to install kernel source for fglrx |
| 06:13.24 | thoffland | Guerin: it says permission denied |
| 06:13.25 | Guerin | brknsoul: i a) don't use proprietary drivers and b) don't own any ati hardware |
| 06:13.31 | brknsoul | Guerin: lol |
| 06:13.38 | Guerin | thoffland: doing what? |
| 06:13.56 | thoffland | Guerin: /etc/resolv.conf = Permission denied |
| 06:14.04 | positrix | liable: didn't work. i've still got double-imaging, and weird colours. |
| 06:14.08 | Guerin | thoffland: it's a config file, not an executable. |
| 06:14.13 | cat | damn my usb mouse just die how can i bring it up? |
| 06:14.22 | thoffland | Guerin: I should try vi? |
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| 06:14.45 | Guerin | thoffland: as root, do echo "nameserver 206.123.107.15" > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:14.53 | Guerin | thoffland: then try to ping again |
| 06:15.01 | thoffland | Guerin: ok |
| 06:15.15 | cat | how can i bring my usb interface back up? |
| 06:15.18 | cat | if it dies? |
| 06:15.22 | Guerin | thoffland: bah, wait |
| 06:15.28 | Guerin | that server appears to be down |
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| 06:16.03 | thoffland | Guerin: it says "ping: not found" |
| 06:16.03 | Guerin | thoffland: as root, do echo "nameserver 194.72.9.44" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:16.14 | thoffland | Guerin: ok |
| 06:16.22 | dogayonv | can anyone tell me some sort of util, either X or shell, I want to record from any source |
| 06:16.38 | myren | way to go GTK dev's. Gtk-dev lost 26 megs in that last update! whoop. |
| 06:16.44 | Guerin | thoffland: how did you ping before...? |
| 06:16.51 | Guerin | dogayonv: rec |
| 06:16.56 | simonrvn | myren: probably removed debug shit |
| 06:17.10 | dogayonv | thanks Guerin |
| 06:17.13 | mwilson | translation: myren wasn't following libgtk-perl bugs. |
| 06:17.18 | Guerin | some gtk2 lib was packaged unstripped a few days ago |
| 06:17.22 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:17.26 | thoffland | Guerin: just tried ping yahoo.com |
| 06:17.33 | thoffland | Guerin: still no go |
| 06:17.39 | Guerin | thoffland: do you have /bin/ping? |
| 06:17.53 | Guerin | thoffland: does it look the address up? |
| 06:17.56 | thoffland | Guerin: thats a big negative |
| 06:17.59 | Schiz0 | How can you not have ping? Haha. |
| 06:18.01 | Guerin | thoffland: try ping 194.72.9.44 |
| 06:18.06 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:18.08 | Guerin | wait |
| 06:18.12 | Guerin | you don't have ping? |
| 06:18.15 | Guerin | but you did before? |
| 06:18.24 | thoffland | Guerin: nothing... |
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| 06:18.31 | simonrvn | ls -l /bin/ping |
| 06:18.34 | Guerin | thoffland: what do you mean by 'nothing' |
| 06:18.35 | thoffland | Guerin: "ping: not found" |
| 06:18.39 | thoffland | sorry |
| 06:18.43 | Guerin | thoffland: HOW DID YOU TEST PING BEFORE? |
| 06:18.48 | fooz | heh |
| 06:18.56 | Guerin | you said earlier you tried to ping yahoo.com |
| 06:18.59 | Guerin | how? |
| 06:19.07 | thoffland | I havent with this install yet, but I had bsd working and dsl working online prior to this install |
| 06:19.14 | Guerin | bah |
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| 06:19.36 | Guerin | try to connect to the ftp server using the debian installer now that you have a nameserver in there |
| 06:20.03 | Guerin | if that doesn't work, you'll need to find something with some diagnostic utilities so you can see if the network is actually up |
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| 06:20.21 | Guerin | and for future reference, an error saying "command not found" is NOT nothing. |
| 06:20.21 | Debuser | Hello |
| 06:20.27 | Guerin | nothing is like this: |
| 06:20.27 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.30 | Guerin | see? |
| 06:20.40 | simonrvn | no, that's still whitespace ;) |
| 06:20.44 | Guerin | shaddup |
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| 06:20.46 | Guerin | :) |
| 06:20.48 | simonrvn | "" is nothing ;p |
| 06:20.52 | Debuser | Can I make it so that you can only log in as root when you're logged in as another user. So you can't directly log into root? |
| 06:20.57 | thoffland | Guerin: your talking to me? |
| 06:21.12 | Guerin | thoffland: yes. |
| 06:21.15 | Guerin | pizza! |
| 06:21.29 | simonrvn | bon apetit |
| 06:21.29 | thoffland | Guerin: sorry, this is all new to me |
| 06:21.40 | yer | Guerin: thanks for trying to help, but lets forget about those drivers for now, it apears my problems are much more sinister... check this out http://defalconixe.no-ip.com/~yer/pcmcia.txt |
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| 06:22.09 | Debuser | Nvm, found a solution |
| 06:22.20 | Guerin | yer: heh. Whee! |
| 06:22.24 | fooz | hmm, itunes breaks compatibility with non-Apple iPod software |
| 06:22.25 | fooz | that sucks |
| 06:22.27 | brknsoul | command to play wav file? |
| 06:22.33 | Guerin | yer: i hadn't even looked at your errors, tbh |
| 06:22.35 | Guerin | brknsoul: play |
| 06:22.44 | Guerin | brknsoul: in package 'sox' |
| 06:22.51 | brknsoul | Guerin: ok, thanks |
| 06:22.55 | yer | Guerin: I know next to nothing about pcmcia, 99% of my nix experiance is not on laptops |
| 06:22.57 | Guerin | brknsoul: or just cat file.wav > /dev/dsp |
| 06:23.07 | brknsoul | Guerin: there's that ;-) |
| 06:23.18 | fooz | sometimes it seems like PCMCIA devices are the only ones that never give me any crap |
| 06:23.25 | Guerin | yer: i use a pcmcia laptop every day, but it Just Works(TM) |
| 06:23.34 | Guerin | damn wife is in the kitchen |
| 06:23.43 | Guerin | i must wait before making pizza |
| 06:23.50 | yer | heh |
| 06:24.19 | brknsoul | will 'modprobe emu10k1' make my audigy card work or do i have to do somn more exotic? |
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| 06:24.45 | yer | brknsoul: you will have to turn up the volume as well :P |
| 06:24.53 | brknsoul | yer: lol |
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| 06:25.20 | yer | brknsoul: I have one of those cards, thats what I did, modprobe emu10k1&&aumix :P |
| 06:25.51 | brknsoul | yer: aumix: error opening mixer |
| 06:26.11 | abel | hi all, i try to partition a disk with fdisk, but when i attempt to add a new partition i have a Warning: partition 1 has empty type message and the partition created is very odd : start at 1 end at end 0 block 0 id etc , any clue on what i can do ? |
| 06:26.40 | yer | brknsoul: modprobe sound soundcore |
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| 06:26.59 | brknsoul | yer: :-( |
| 06:27.13 | yer | [yer@yerbox yer]$ lsmod | grep emu |
| 06:27.13 | yer | emu10k1 68136 1 (autoclean) |
| 06:27.13 | yer | ac97_codec 13544 0 (autoclean) [emu10k1] |
| 06:27.13 | yer | sound 73108 0 (autoclean) [emu10k1] |
| 06:27.13 | yer | soundcore 6276 7 (autoclean) [emu10k1 sound] |
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| 06:27.35 | yer | whoooops |
| 06:27.40 | yer | brknsoul: did you get that? |
| 06:27.44 | brknsoul | yup |
| 06:27.54 | yer | all the way to soundcore? |
| 06:28.02 | brknsoul | yup |
| 06:28.04 | yer | coo |
| 06:28.23 | yer | provided you have those modules, you should be listing to sound within the next minute :P |
| 06:28.26 | Guerin | yer fucking idiot |
| 06:28.42 | brknsoul | emu10k1 71812 0 // sound 75308 1 emu10k1 // soundcore 9824 2 emu10k1,sound // ac97_codec 16908 1 emu10k1 |
| 06:29.08 | tunguru | anyone know how to copy a symlink? |
| 06:29.15 | Whisky_ | Oh k. I installed TCL and Tk by apt-get but eggdrop says they stink and are too old. Can someone guide me with an installation from source ? |
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| 06:29.30 | tunguru | when i copy a symlink it copies the file instead |
| 06:29.36 | brknsoul | tunguru: cp --help |
| 06:29.37 | Schiz0 | don't isntall tcl and tk via source |
| 06:29.38 | cat | tunguru: man ls |
| 06:29.41 | Schiz0 | I apt'ed it and it worked fine |
| 06:29.45 | Schiz0 | but I did eggdrop from source |
| 06:29.48 | cat | sorry man ln |
| 06:30.11 | brknsoul | tunguru: or cp -s ... |
| 06:30.45 | kyu | abel, what are you typing inside fdisk?> |
| 06:31.06 | Whisky_ | Schiz0: Yeah i did it by apt but eggdrop source says I dont have TCL and when i do ./configure --with tcllib="/usr/lib/" then it turns out that tis too bloody old |
| 06:31.17 | abel | kyu: "a" then "p" |
| 06:31.22 | Debuser | What's the -a do in groupadd. I've read the manpage, it doesn't say anything |
| 06:31.24 | cat | Whisky_: apt-cache search tcl |
| 06:31.50 | Debuser | qq |
| 06:31.51 | abel | kyu: the disk is all new at now, no partition at all |
| 06:31.53 | kyu | type p on it's own |
| 06:31.55 | kyu | ok |
| 06:31.57 | kyu | don't then |
| 06:31.58 | kyu | ;) |
| 06:32.00 | kyu | type n |
| 06:32.09 | kyu | then p, for primary partition |
| 06:32.17 | Whisky_ | abel: Ive been doing that since last night, installed tcl8.4 but it says its old |
| 06:32.18 | kyu | First cyl, just hit enter |
| 06:32.31 | kyu | End, type in size, for example +32M or enter for the whole disk |
| 06:32.46 | tunguru | brknsoul: thanks cp -H did the trick |
| 06:32.47 | cat | where the heck do you see the a on groupadd |
| 06:32.53 | brknsoul | tunguru: okeys |
| 06:33.00 | abel | kyu: u trur so stupid i am was typing a for add ackkkk thanks alot. |
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| 06:33.22 | cat | *addgroup |
| 06:33.34 | kyu | u trur so stupid? Did you just call me an idiot? |
| 06:33.49 | kyu | Last time i try to help you, motherfucka! :/ |
| 06:34.10 | abel | kyu: no i mean i am so stupid , i have use a thinking it was a shortcut for add |
| 06:34.15 | kyu | Ahh |
| 06:34.20 | kyu | rtfm! |
| 06:34.21 | kyu | ;) |
| 06:34.29 | abel | kyu: and thanks 4 the help. |
| 06:34.46 | kyu | It's 7:34am on a sunday, what else do i have to do? :( |
| 06:35.08 | kyu | Suppose i could be learning something or coding or something more productive than irc... |
| 06:35.31 | Whisky_ | ok what packages should I install for eggdrop to finally say "Ok, ur done with TCL" |
| 06:35.33 | brknsoul | yer: no dice with modprobe... |
| 06:35.51 | Schiz0 | Whisky_- Did you run apt-get update before installing tcl/tk? |
| 06:35.55 | brknsoul | yer: new debian install... |
| 06:35.57 | kyu | Whiskey, ruby and emacs, write your own bot! :D |
| 06:35.59 | kyu | ;) |
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| 06:36.03 | yer | after installing pcmcia-cs, on the reboot my box hangs at cs: IO port probe 0x000-0x00ff: |
| 06:36.20 | Whisky_ | noooo |
| 06:36.22 | Schiz0 | Whisky_- It worked fine with me first try. I run several eggdrops |
| 06:36.24 | Whisky_ | Schiz0: Yup |
| 06:36.30 | Schiz0 | Hm. |
| 06:36.35 | TiMiDo | what's the program to used you're mouse on a terminal called? |
| 06:36.40 | kyu | gpm |
| 06:36.47 | yer | brknsoul: I'm on a brand new install as well |
| 06:36.48 | Schiz0 | Latest ver of eggdrop? |
| 06:36.54 | brknsoul | yer: hrmm |
| 06:37.03 | Whisky_ | yea |
| 06:37.06 | Whisky_ | 1.6.17 |
| 06:37.15 | ethics | TiMiDo, gpm |
| 06:37.15 | brknsoul | yer: kde's complaining about not being able to access sound device |
| 06:37.16 | Whisky_ | Setting up tcl8.4 (8.4.9-1) ... |
| 06:37.24 | Whisky_ | its a bit old, the newest is 8.9.11 |
| 06:37.26 | fooz | yer, remove those ports from the pcmcia config so it doesn't probe em |
| 06:37.30 | fooz | yer, is it a newer laptop? |
| 06:37.33 | jethro | depends eggdrop sarge |
| 06:37.45 | Whisky_ | !depends eggdrop |
| 06:37.48 | dpkg | eggdrop: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), tcl8.4 (>= 8.4.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), eggdrop-data (= 1.6.17-3) |
| 06:38.04 | positrix | how do i reset the console video mode? its all screwed up |
| 06:38.12 | ethics | positrix, reset |
| 06:38.24 | yer | fooz: inspiron 8100 |
| 06:38.33 | positrix | ethics: that was the first thing i tried, it didn't work |
| 06:38.36 | brknsoul | yer: i'm gonna recompile kernel (gonna have to anyways, since i don't have a correct kernel for 3.1r0a for ati drivers) |
| 06:38.38 | yer | fooz: thanks ill try that |
| 06:38.41 | kyu | positrix, how did you change it? Did you just insmod <xx>fb or what? |
| 06:38.49 | yer | !ati |
| 06:38.49 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 06:39.12 | yer | brknsoul: check out those links -^ |
| 06:39.17 | positrix | ethics: passed vga=something to the kernel on bootup |
| 06:39.20 | Whisky_ | by the way, the configure says it might be looking in the wrong path. This also happened before and the solution was something like EXPORT=$path or something where I exported some path and it worked |
| 06:39.21 | brknsoul | yer: already did ;-) |
| 06:39.24 | yer | :D |
| 06:39.30 | brknsoul | yer: hence why i gotta recompile ... |
| 06:39.41 | kyu | Reboot without the vga statement? |
| 06:39.48 | yer | this is NEAT! after hanging at the port probe.. my laptop just randomly powered off! |
| 06:39.59 | brknsoul | rofl @ yer |
| 06:39.59 | jethro | Whisky_: why are you building eggdrop? |
| 06:40.15 | MobyTurbo | yer: use !tell somenick about foo |
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| 06:40.39 | TiMiDo | hey how can i installed the x-window-system-core |
| 06:40.43 | positrix | kyu: it normally works fine, its just that it went crazy when i unhooked the external monitor |
| 06:40.43 | kyu | !tell geeks about girls |
| 06:40.44 | Whisky_ | jethro: apt-get doesnt compile it so no modules are compiled and thus when u do /usr/sbin/eggdrop u get a list of errors saying modules etc. not compiled |
| 06:40.48 | kyu | ;) |
| 06:40.57 | jethro | usr/sbin/eggdrop? |
| 06:41.07 | Whisky_ | it starts eggdrop |
| 06:41.08 | kyu | positrix, external monitor? It's a lappy or something? |
| 06:41.09 | jethro | damned if eggdrop lies in */sbin/ |
| 06:41.13 | positrix | kyu: yes |
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| 06:41.25 | TiMiDo | hey how can i installed the x-window-system-core |
| 06:41.32 | Guerin | TiMiDo: man aptitude |
| 06:41.35 | Whisky_ | and thats why i removed it too -_- |
| 06:41.36 | MobyTurbo | !tell TiMiDo -about repeat |
| 06:41.38 | kyu | I don't have much exp with using more than one monitor on a laptop, have you tried booting it without the ext. monitor plugged in? |
| 06:41.54 | brknsoul | TiMiDo: apt-get install x-window-system-core ... man apt, man aptitude |
| 06:41.55 | TiMiDo | thnx Guerin |
| 06:42.02 | Whisky_ | I wonder if i should try downgrading to tcl8.3 ? |
| 06:42.14 | positrix | yes. that works, (from past experience) but i was looking for a cleaner solution... |
| 06:42.23 | Schiz0 | TiMiDo- I hate aptitude, just type apt-get install x-window-system |
| 06:42.29 | kyu | positrix, Sorry i can't be more help :) |
| 06:42.31 | Schiz0 | or x-window-system-core |
| 06:42.34 | Schiz0 | or wahtever you need. |
| 06:42.40 | brknsoul | Schiz0: lol, same here |
| 06:42.42 | ttick | hmm, my system doesn't generate core files by default. So I added ulimit -c unlimited to my .bashrc. But programs run from the crontab don't seem to generate corefiles. How do I fix this? |
| 06:42.45 | Guerin | Schiz0: you have no reason to hate aptitude, and even less reason to encourage others to hate it. |
| 06:42.52 | jethro | Whisky_: I don't know what sort of crack you smoked, but you're wasting your and our time. |
| 06:43.07 | Schiz0 | I have any fucking reason I want to hate aptitude. It's my opinion dumbass. |
| 06:43.11 | kyu | I find myself using apt-get only |
| 06:43.15 | kyu | I removed aptitude |
| 06:43.16 | kyu | :/ |
| 06:43.16 | Schiz0 | I'm not encourging anyone to hate it |
| 06:43.37 | Guerin | !opinions |
| 06:43.37 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your arsehole. Well, maybe both. |
| 06:43.38 | Schiz0 | I'm saying I don't like it, you can do it my way or the previously mentioned way, yours. the choice is up to whoever does it. |
| 06:43.39 | Whisky_ | jethro: Eh? I thought i was asking for help. |
| 06:43.46 | Guerin | so defend your opinion |
| 06:44.05 | Guerin | what reason do you have for hating it? and 'bcoz i want 2' doesn't count |
| 06:44.13 | Schiz0 | I don't like the layout, the way it's organized. |
| 06:44.22 | Schiz0 | the shortcuts |
| 06:44.28 | Guerin | Schiz0: so use it non-interactively, with identical syntax to apt-get |
| 06:44.31 | MobyTurbo | Schiz0: those are irrelevant when you run it as a command line program |
| 06:44.34 | Guerin | so, still not a reason |
| 06:44.35 | jethro | Whisky_: you don't need to build eggdrop, and eggdrop has never been in an sbin/ path. apt-get install eggdrop "just works" with all needed modules |
| 06:44.44 | Guerin | got a reason, or are you just uninformed |
| 06:44.44 | Guerin | ? |
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| 06:44.57 | kyu | Guerin, what's the advantage of using aptitude over apt-get non-interactively? |
| 06:45.08 | Guerin | kyu: i already told you to ask dpkg about it |
| 06:45.13 | kyu | Sorry to jump in ;) |
| 06:45.14 | Schiz0 | yeah, i run apt-get install whatever, i don't need some huge commandline interface, with all this organization and what not |
| 06:45.27 | Schiz0 | I just like apt-get, and apt-cache search/show |
| 06:45.28 | kyu | And i stated before, dpkg and i are mutual enemies |
| 06:45.34 | Guerin | Schiz0: aptitude has an even less complex cli than apt-get. Try again. |
| 06:45.43 | Guerin | kyu: i guess you get to stay uninformed them. |
| 06:45.54 | kyu | It would appear that way :) |
| 06:45.58 | jethro | Whisky_: its modules are in /usr/lib/eggdrop when you use a debian package. |
| 06:46.06 | Guerin | Schiz0: ok, so you have no reason, beyong 'omg i just like it k?' |
| 06:46.18 | Schiz0 | Maybe for you. I like getting only the information I need, not a entire list of packages and what's installed and not installed. |
| 06:46.22 | Whisky_ | jethro: Ok i installed it as a package. Now where do i find its configuration file ? |
| 06:46.33 | cinix | How do I ensure my debian security updates are signed? |
| 06:46.37 | jethro | Whisky_: cd /usr/share/doc/eggdrop, time for some reading. |
| 06:46.38 | Schiz0 | I know exactly what is on my system. I don't need a computer to do it for me. |
| 06:46.39 | Whisky_ | /usr/share/eggdrop |
| 06:46.44 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 06:46.45 | kyu | Schiz0, curious, how do you find out all the software that's installed on your system? |
| 06:46.48 | Schiz0 | I may live in america, bu ti'm not lazy. |
| 06:46.48 | MobyTurbo | Schiz0: apt-get's list is longer. You are getting more nonsensical with every word you type |
| 06:46.49 | cinix | seem to remember some debian install I need to use signed packages, forget what it is |
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| 06:46.52 | kyu | memory? |
| 06:46.53 | kyu | ;) |
| 06:46.57 | Guerin | cinix: use apt-secure, from unstable. |
| 06:46.59 | Schiz0 | The past? I know what i'm running. |
| 06:47.02 | Guerin | cinix: apt 0.6, i mean. |
| 06:47.04 | Schiz0 | I run what I need, that's it. |
| 06:47.18 | cinix | Guerin, how come not from Sarge? |
| 06:47.22 | kyu | Well sure, but do you remember every dependency of every installed package you install? :) |
| 06:47.33 | cinix | maybe it doesn't exist |
| 06:47.34 | cinix | :) |
| 06:47.40 | Guerin | cinix: too big a change for a pending stable release - it's still in development. |
| 06:47.46 | MobyTurbo | Schiz0: again, you're refering to the non-cli mode, which isn't relevant to the advice concerning aptitude given here. |
| 06:47.52 | Guerin | cinix: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 06:47.57 | jethro | there's nothing like a good song by count basie and a coffee on sunday mornings. |
| 06:48.33 | kyu | jethro, that or waking upto a girl you don't regret meeting ;) |
| 06:48.50 | Schiz0 | Why use aptitude in non-cli mode, when you have apt-get then? |
| 06:48.56 | MobyTurbo | jethro: there's nothing like #debian on sundays too, but that's another story. ;-) |
| 06:49.01 | jethro | MobyTurbo: heh |
| 06:49.24 | MobyTurbo | Schiz0: better dependency algorithm |
| 06:49.25 | Guerin | Schiz0: /msg dpkg aptitude and find out why it's better |
| 06:50.11 | Schiz0 | want me to check out the sf site on it? |
| 06:50.21 | ttick | nobody on the core file problem, eh? *sigh* |
| 06:50.37 | kyu | Guerin, that doesn't give me a single reason for using it over apt-get in cli :/ |
| 06:50.42 | kyu | Me and dpkg made up, slightly |
| 06:50.46 | kyu | Still enemies though :) |
| 06:51.51 | cinix | so I found debsig-verify, how does that differ from apt-secure? |
| 06:51.55 | Guerin | kyu: does it give you a reason to hate it, or to encourage others who might find its functionality useful to hate it? Because that was the root of my objection. |
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| 06:52.06 | kyu | Guerin, no, but that wasn't my question :) |
| 06:52.28 | kyu | I never said i hated it, i just said i do not think it has any features i need or are lacking in apt-get |
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| 06:52.41 | Guerin | kyu: i never said it'd be better for you specifically - just that it's better in general for many people, and not sufficiently different to apt-get to be hatable. |
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| 06:53.00 | kyu | My question was why is it better though, your answer didn't tell me that |
| 06:53.14 | kyu | Because it's a ui? |
| 06:53.22 | MobyTurbo | kyu: to quote dpkg, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html |
| 06:53.51 | MobyTurbo | kyu: aptitude is not just a GUI, the command line mode is different - it has package tracking and installing of reccomends. |
| 06:54.07 | brknsoul | i have amd64 3000+, use Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 option in kernel compile? |
| 06:54.20 | brknsoul | pros and cons of using this option |
| 06:55.05 | kyu | MobyTurbo, yeah i read that too, personally i don't need any of that but i'm sure some people do. |
| 06:55.09 | MobyTurbo | brknsoul: if you need to ask questions like that you shouldn't be compiling your own kernel. |
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| 06:55.28 | brknsoul | MobyTurbo: first time i've compiled kernel with amd64 chip... |
| 06:55.44 | kyu | k8 is the name for and64 arch no? |
| 06:56.04 | kyu | and nice machine too :) |
| 06:56.10 | brknsoul | lol |
| 06:56.15 | Guerin | kyu: no, because of the reasons explained in joeyh's mailing list message |
| 06:56.17 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 06:56.17 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
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| 06:56.51 | brknsoul | har-de-har MobyTurbo |
| 06:57.07 | simonrvn | meh |
| 06:57.18 | MobyTurbo | brknsoul: you seem to know a lot of annoying ways to laugh online... |
| 06:57.18 | jethro | hi simonrvn |
| 06:57.24 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:57.24 | kyu | whaaaaaaaat the faaaaaark @ jesuslol.jpg |
| 06:57.38 | ttick | okay, let me try this again: does anyone know which .rc files are loaded for your user when your cron jobs are running? (for bash shell) |
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| 06:57.45 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: good Sunday simonrvn |
| 06:57.48 | Vinland | can I get someones second opinion on something. I wanna know if I have to uninstall my old program and install this one... or is this just an add on. -->http://mieszkancy.ds.pg.gda.pl/~centurion/darkbot/download.html |
| 06:57.51 | theboneman | yo, i get these errors can someone help |
| 06:57.52 | ttick | is it .bashrc (doesn't seem so) |
| 06:57.58 | simonrvn | hi MobyTurbo, how goes? |
| 06:58.02 | theboneman | toolchain.sh: line 1: gmake: command not found |
| 06:58.02 | brknsoul | MobyTurbo: i just asked i simple question, i've compiled plenty of kernels on 32bit chips, but this is my first since i've got this 64bit chip |
| 06:58.02 | theboneman | toolchain.sh: line 1: svn: command not found |
| 06:58.02 | theboneman | error403: Please make sure you have 'subversion (svn)' installed. |
| 06:58.06 | Guerin | simonrvn: hasn't gone down in ~ 24 hours |
| 06:58.16 | jethro | !blame canada |
| 06:58.18 | Guerin | theboneman: well, do it then. |
| 06:58.20 | brknsoul | MobyTurbo: just wanna know the pros and cons of compiling 64 kernel |
| 06:58.39 | simonrvn | Guerin: it subsides a bit, but noise / content ratio hasn't dropped much |
| 06:58.46 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: hanging out on #debian as usual. :-) |
| 06:58.49 | Guerin | brknsoul: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 06:58.49 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 06:59.11 | theboneman | hey |
| 06:59.12 | yer | fooz: you around? |
| 06:59.20 | mang | cab anyone tell me how to make exim4 use plaintext passwords :/ Or setup "tls" |
| 06:59.21 | brknsoul | Guerin: thanks, much more helpful than MobyTurbo |
| 06:59.43 | theboneman | what is svn and gmake for debian? |
| 07:00.03 | mang | gmake is gnu version of make ? |
| 07:00.07 | simonrvn | sometimes i feel i have to wade in, though, 'cause i'll see newbies giving other newbies bad advice, so i feel obligated to put in my 2 cents |
| 07:00.11 | theboneman | yeah but whats the apt-get |
| 07:00.14 | theboneman | and svn? |
| 07:00.14 | Guerin | mang: unless you're using virtual users, don't even think about allowing plaintext mail passwords |
| 07:00.19 | simonrvn | mang: only in a bsd context |
| 07:00.39 | simonrvn | mang: linux doesn't bother with the distinction |
| 07:00.39 | maher | ttick: probably none of them |
| 07:00.42 | mang | Guerin its local only / a dev box that will never see the internet :) |
| 07:00.44 | Guerin | theboneman: if you don't know what these are, why are you installing them? |
| 07:00.54 | yer | I put exclude port 0x800-0x8ff in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, but it still probes and hangs at that adress |
| 07:00.54 | Guerin | mang: oh, and that makes it safe... |
| 07:00.59 | mang | shh :P |
| 07:01.11 | ttick | maher: hmm, that's not good. Guess I have to set my ulimit explicitly on every cron line? That doesn't seem right. |
| 07:01.18 | theboneman | wtf.. |
| 07:01.27 | mang | well how would i go about seting up tls for exim4 then :/ |
| 07:01.27 | theboneman | Guerin , just tell me them i know what they are |
| 07:02.06 | Guerin | theboneman: without the ability to do your own research, you'll never be able to use them once you know what they are |
| 07:02.07 | simonrvn | mang: plenty of docs on the subject |
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| 07:02.17 | Guerin | theboneman: so you might as well kill birds with stones and go google |
| 07:02.17 | theboneman | Guerin, you fucking suck |
| 07:02.28 | Guerin | theboneman: no, i think it's YOU who are fucking sucking at the moment |
| 07:02.30 | theboneman | sorry but you do |
| 07:02.32 | mang | simonrvn im not too sure what i should google to find said docs :/ |
| 07:02.37 | simonrvn | !troll theboneman |
| 07:02.45 | Guerin | don't be sorry - tell us how you really feel |
| 07:02.54 | theboneman | im not sorry |
| 07:03.00 | Guerin | good |
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| 07:03.04 | theboneman | Guerin, and i do know what to do with them |
| 07:03.06 | Guerin | now go and do your own legwork |
| 07:03.17 | ShannonS | is debian more secure then freebsd? |
| 07:03.20 | Vinland | question: when one patches source? Does this mean I have to reinstall,/recompile or do I just unzip the package and overide/add the file in the programs folder? |
| 07:03.21 | Guerin | i'm all out of silver platters here |
| 07:03.22 | theboneman | Guerin, why do you assume that me asking for apt-get install [gmake goes here ] |
| 07:03.27 | Guerin | ShannonS: depends on the admin |
| 07:03.34 | theboneman | means i dont know what im talking about? |
| 07:03.45 | ttick | okay, how do I set it so system-wide, but default everyone gets corefiles? |
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| 07:03.52 | Guerin | theboneman: no, i presume that because you can't do your own research you don't know what you're talking about. |
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| 07:03.57 | Guerin | or won't |
| 07:04.00 | theboneman | but im new to debian |
| 07:04.03 | Guerin | which typically go hand-in-hand |
| 07:04.15 | theboneman | nah your right im just being lazy |
| 07:04.20 | nephlim | hey folks, i did a locate comand and got this back: debian:/home/dan# locate smb |
| 07:04.20 | nephlim | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 07:04.28 | Guerin | nephlim: updatedb |
| 07:04.49 | nephlim | Guerin, thanks, i'll try that |
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| 07:05.06 | simonrvn | hmm, not bad. improves the tab completion |
| 07:05.19 | simonrvn | more like irssi's |
| 07:05.20 | theboneman | Guerin, anyways, isnt gmake and make in build-essential? |
| 07:05.24 | [timmeh] | um, how do i add users to proftpd? |
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| 07:05.53 | Guerin | theboneman: aptitude depends build-essential |
| 07:06.02 | dh0 | how do i make gcc 3.3 default if i have 3.3 and 4 installed? |
| 07:06.03 | theboneman | i didnt use aptitude |
| 07:06.03 | simonrvn | theboneman: gmake is gnu make, in linux it's just called make, in the bsds it's distinguished with the g since they have their own (with gnu patches nowadays) |
| 07:06.04 | mang | [timmeh] they should be added as normal users :/ |
| 07:06.17 | chealer | theboneman: what's your native language? |
| 07:06.17 | nephlim | Guerin, it worked. thanks dude :) |
| 07:06.21 | theboneman | i know this simonrvn ? |
| 07:06.44 | simonrvn | theboneman: right. i also have a bridge in the everglades that you might like |
| 07:06.56 | theboneman | really, amazing |
| 07:07.11 | theboneman | everglades where is that again? |
| 07:07.13 | simonrvn | dumbass |
| 07:07.22 | mang | theboneman just link gmake to make.... |
| 07:07.23 | theboneman | why? |
| 07:07.25 | maher | ttick: man bash - probably /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 07:07.25 | kyu | simonrvn, errrr. with gnu patches nowadays? What bsd distro has that?! |
| 07:07.32 | kyu | gnu make is a piece of shit |
| 07:07.38 | Xytek^ | Does it matter where i save the jre package? |
| 07:07.41 | theboneman | mang i didnt have to do that before, wtf is the diff? |
| 07:07.48 | mang | -_- |
| 07:07.52 | simonrvn | kyu: i was kidding ;) |
| 07:08.02 | mang | they are more or less the same... just link it ffs it will work |
| 07:08.13 | theboneman | anyways doesnt build-essential have that mang ? |
| 07:08.20 | ttick | maher: would that do it even for the cron jobs? |
| 07:08.22 | mang | how should i know im a noob ;D |
| 07:08.27 | theboneman | wtf |
| 07:08.32 | theboneman | lmao |
| 07:08.35 | theboneman | no u arent :) |
| 07:08.36 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: -1 Flamebait |
| 07:08.42 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 07:08.43 | kyu | i should hope so :) |
| 07:08.50 | maher | ttick: um.... i don't think so |
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| 07:09.04 | simonrvn | it's so rare i do such a thing :) |
| 07:09.12 | ttick | maher: okay, how do I set my ulimit -c for cron jobs? :/ |
| 07:09.25 | [timmeh] | [mang] normal users as in ssh users? |
| 07:09.26 | theboneman | simonrvn, thats strange, maybe i just give that vibe off or something :\ because everybody fucking hates me |
| 07:09.29 | ttick | anyone can feel free to chime in here. |
| 07:09.31 | simonrvn | set cron's limits in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 07:09.42 | ttick | simonrvn: okay, thanks. |
| 07:09.43 | mang | [timmeh] "ssh" users are system users |
| 07:09.44 | deb | hey how can i see my video card that i have |
| 07:09.49 | simonrvn | though that might be a bit tricky, since you have to set it per user |
| 07:09.55 | mang | soo if you make one of them they should get ftp access |
| 07:09.58 | [timmeh] | [mang] ok, tahnkyou |
| 07:09.59 | deb | they give me this pc so i don't really know the video card that it has |
| 07:10.00 | simonrvn | oh, wait, per group is possible too |
| 07:10.04 | [timmeh] | thankyou* |
| 07:10.08 | kyu | There was once a single make, everything was peaceful, then some pothead (known as rms (or jesus) to others) decided to make gnu make, which defies all logic and reason just so some lazy programmer doesn't have to type tab in a build instruction block :/ |
| 07:10.10 | simonrvn | ttick: ^^^ |
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| 07:10.56 | ttick | simonrvn: do I need to restart anything for it to take effect? |
| 07:11.01 | simonrvn | no |
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| 07:11.10 | ttick | simonrvn: okay, I'll try that out. |
| 07:11.13 | ttick | simonrvn: thanks |
| 07:11.17 | java | ok guys i've just finished installing java. |
| 07:11.19 | java | i can now java file. |
| 07:11.21 | java | although, i can't find the java install patch |
| 07:11.26 | chealer | deb: try $ lspci |
| 07:11.26 | xidaux | Is the sun platform still "Geek Chic" ? I never understood this from a performance pov. |
| 07:11.29 | java | i need to set a clashpath and path for a java applet. |
| 07:11.37 | simonrvn | not usually. though for logged in users they might have to log out. sometimes for long-running daemons you might. depends |
| 07:11.48 | yer | man I feel like an idiot... its amazing how long a typo can hold you back :P |
| 07:11.49 | xidaux | I mean the "Sun architecture" rather ? |
| 07:11.54 | simonrvn | sparc |
| 07:12.11 | kyu | sparc is still considered quinetessential geek tech yes |
| 07:12.26 | kyu | quintessential*? blah i can't spell this early |
| 07:12.31 | MobyTurbo | !topicbadger java |
| 07:12.32 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that java didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 07:12.47 | java | any idea;s where i can find the install of j2sdk and j2re |
| 07:12.48 | java | ? |
| 07:12.53 | simonrvn | i have an unused ss10. need another prom chip for it |
| 07:12.59 | kyu | . ?? /usr/lib/java |
| 07:13.09 | kyu | Random guess |
| 07:13.21 | kyu | Or cd /usr ; find . | grep javac |
| 07:13.27 | kyu | locate would work too :)) |
| 07:13.29 | theboneman | wtf man |
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| 07:14.12 | makey | hola |
| 07:14.19 | kyu | aloh |
| 07:14.30 | ttick | simonrvn: hmm, added: * soft core unlimited to /etc/security/limits.conf and still got the same results from the cron. :( |
| 07:14.48 | java | kyu: where does j2sdk and j2re get installed to ? |
| 07:14.56 | kyu | I don't know, look for it! |
| 07:14.59 | Xytek^ | is there an apt-get for macromedia-flash player? |
| 07:14.59 | kyu | man find |
| 07:15.04 | ttick | simonrvn: "* soft core unlimited" that is. |
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| 07:15.12 | simonrvn | yeh, it's a bit tricky. |
| 07:15.15 | kyu | find / -name java |
| 07:15.21 | MobyTurbo | java: you wouldn't have this problem if you install Java according to the method given by /msg dpkg java |
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| 07:16.24 | kyu | Xytek^, like a browser plugin or standalone? |
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| 07:16.29 | robin1 | what do people use to rip dvd's onto blank disks ? |
| 07:16.54 | Xytek^ | browser plugin |
| 07:16.59 | pirre | robin1: apt-cache search dvd rip ? |
| 07:17.05 | Xytek^ | when i visit a site that needs it it says i can download it, is it okay to do that? |
| 07:17.11 | kyu | try apt-cache search flash, provided me with libflash-mozplugin :) |
| 07:17.16 | ttick | simonrvn: what do I need to do to get this to take affect? |
| 07:17.19 | kyu | and swf-player for the standalone |
| 07:17.20 | kyu | :) |
| 07:17.21 | robin1 | isn;t dvd rip a windows app ? |
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| 07:17.37 | Xytek^ | im using konqueror due to the fact that mozilla-firefox wont work for some reason :/ |
| 07:17.47 | Xytek^ | im thinking ill just download Mozilla though. |
| 07:17.53 | robin1 | pirre: is that a windows app ? |
| 07:17.55 | kyu | Check out firefox |
| 07:18.02 | java | mobyturbo: i've installed java-package downloaded bin for both the environement and kit and have made all |
| 07:18.10 | pirre | robin1: 'apt-cache search dvd rip' searches for packages that have 'dvd' and 'rip' in their description |
| 07:18.17 | kyu | Mozilla is huewage, firefox is pretty neat though, as far as big www browsers go :) |
| 07:18.24 | Xytek^ | i had it installed, but it wouldnt open for some reason.. |
| 07:18.25 | MobyTurbo | java: you've used make-jpkg then... |
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| 07:18.26 | java | i've a readme for an java based eggdrop, which it says to set classpath=blahblahblahb |
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| 07:18.33 | java | but that classpatch isn't the same as mine. |
| 07:18.36 | java | that's why i'm asking. |
| 07:18.41 | bungopolis | how can I format a fat32 partition from linux? |
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| 07:19.35 | bungopolis | mkdosfs can do fat32? |
| 07:19.36 | kyu | mkfs -t msdos or something? |
| 07:19.49 | MobyTurbo | java: have you tried to run the program without changing your classpath? |
| 07:19.57 | Xytek^ | kyu, do you suggest any other browsers, Other than Firefox / mozilla, that is a debian package? |
| 07:20.06 | ttick | hmm, maybe need to use /etc/limits instead? |
| 07:20.16 | kyu | Xytek^, i really do highly reccomend firefox, i can't use anything else now |
| 07:20.35 | ttick | ah, it seems to be choking on "unlimited" |
| 07:20.35 | kyu | If you _MUST_ use a diff one, try opera perhaps, it's filled with adverts though |
| 07:20.42 | Xytek^ | kyu, could you think of any reason as to why it wouldnt open? |
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| 07:20.48 | ttick | a value of 10000 worked fine |
| 07:20.52 | kyu | How were you starting it? |
| 07:21.01 | Xytek^ | I like firefox i had it on windows, but for some reason, it will not open under linux, well im using KDE. |
| 07:21.07 | Xytek^ | so i just launch it from the menu :P |
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| 07:21.17 | kyu | Open up a terminal and try typing 'firefox' after you've installed it |
| 07:21.27 | Xytek^ | sure thing. |
| 07:21.28 | kyu | If that doesn't work, tell me what the error message is and i'll try to help you |
| 07:21.30 | kyu | :) |
| 07:21.32 | ttick | now, the question is, does that affect running processes? |
| 07:21.33 | ttick | ls |
| 07:21.39 | rixth | You kow how Gmail has a Atom/RSS feed of your inbox? It NEVER loads, I ALWAYS get "Live bookmakr failed to load" |
| 07:21.43 | java | nm |
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| 07:22.04 | kyu | rixth, yeah rumors are flying about that they wrote it in lisp, go figure! ;)) |
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| 07:22.18 | Xytek^ | I'm new to linux, so your help is much appreciated, this is about my 2nd day using it lol, so im trying to learn as much as i can, outside of KDE, but i like the Desktop Enviroment lol :) |
| 07:22.24 | rixth | kyu, lisp? |
| 07:22.28 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 07:22.28 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 07:23.03 | kyu | Xytek^, i would advise getting out of the way of such things as kde and gnome as soon as you can... But use whatever you're confortable with i guess |
| 07:23.14 | Kylixen | Now that's some good shit ;) |
| 07:23.37 | Kylixen | kyu: depends on what he's using and what he's using it for |
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| 07:23.55 | Kylixen | kyu: I actually have to use some of that extra bloated KDE crap at work. |
| 07:23.58 | Kylixen | But at home it's flux. |
| 07:24.06 | Xytek^ | (firefox-bin:2140): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 07:24.14 | Mestapheles | hi |
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| 07:24.28 | chealer | muahaha, the jesus link is quite hilarious |
| 07:24.35 | kyu | That's a bit wierd... Perhaps it has something to do with kdm |
| 07:24.36 | kyu | Hangon |
| 07:24.41 | Schiz0 | Xytek^- are you root? |
| 07:24.53 | Xytek^ | Im logged in as root through the console, yes. |
| 07:25.23 | Schiz0 | Xytek^- If you're logged in as a normal user to kde, and you run a command as root that uses X, it won't work. |
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| 07:25.27 | Schiz0 | you have to be on the same user |
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| 07:25.32 | Schiz0 | I've done that many times haha. |
| 07:25.36 | Guerin | Xytek^: never run an x app as root |
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| 07:25.49 | kyu | See, i've never used kde so i didn't know that :/ |
| 07:25.49 | Xytek^ | Oh im not logged in as root with kde. |
| 07:26.06 | Schiz0 | Never run anything as root. Unless you can't do it without running it as root. |
| 07:26.11 | Guerin | sure, but you're trying to run firefox as root, which is not only unnecessary, but stupid |
| 07:26.23 | Xytek^ | :x |
| 07:26.34 | kyu | Heh |
| 07:26.56 | Xytek^ | Okay well here's the error i get when i dont use root. |
| 07:27.02 | kyu | One thing unrelated but came to my attention recently, how come 'su -' works on my gentopo box but not on my debian machine? |
| 07:27.21 | Xytek^ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverXlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! (firefox-bin:2147): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 07:27.40 | MobyTurbo | kyu: are you trying to spell "genpoo"? |
| 07:27.41 | kyu | xdm is wierd eh, it'll be running as root won't it? |
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| 07:27.44 | kyu | gentoo, even |
| 07:28.02 | dondelelcaro | kyu: uh, it works fine here. |
| 07:28.06 | Schiz0 | Genpoo :-P |
| 07:28.14 | chealer | kyu: what does it do on your debian box? |
| 07:28.15 | kyu | What's wrong with gentoo? |
| 07:28.26 | kyu | chealer, unknown id ;) |
| 07:28.33 | Schiz0 | kyu- Work's fine here too |
| 07:28.35 | chealer | kyu: don't ask this to #debian... |
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| 07:28.48 | kyu | hehe |
| 07:28.54 | chealer | kyu: unknown id... hum, under which release? |
| 07:28.59 | kyu | sid |
| 07:29.14 | Xytek^ | Anyone? |
| 07:29.21 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 07:29.21 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:29.23 | chealer | maybe you'll wonder for a while |
| 07:29.43 | Schiz0 | No idea on that one Xytek^ |
| 07:29.45 | kyu | Xytek, it appears that its something to do with your window manager and your graphical login manager, both things i do not use so i can't really help you |
| 07:30.05 | Schiz0 | kyu- No GUI for you? |
| 07:30.23 | kyu | Schiz0, no i use gui :) just not a *dm or kde/gnome |
| 07:30.31 | Guerin | kyu: it's a phenomenal waste of fucking time for virtually no gain? |
| 07:30.32 | kyu | http://console-pimps.org/~kyu/Epic4.png |
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| 07:30.41 | kyu | Recent-ish shot :) |
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| 07:30.48 | Guerin | kyu: sorry to bite the trollbait :) |
| 07:31.15 | kyu | Guerin, Hehe, no problem, although i found it quite fun to play with. Honestly i saw hardly any diff in the performance |
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| 07:31.33 | Guerin | kyu: i'm finding it anything but fun to play with |
| 07:31.40 | kyu | You learn a bit about how your system works during the install though :) |
| 07:31.47 | Schiz0 | Kylixen- what gui is that? |
| 07:31.51 | Guerin | things keep breaking for what appears to be no reason, and gentoo's own documentation and irc channel are no help |
| 07:31.57 | Guerin | kyu: i didn't. |
| 07:31.58 | kyu | Really? I thought gentoo was a charm to play with, compared to hpux/solaris/aix/irix :/ |
| 07:31.58 | Schiz0 | fluxbox? |
| 07:32.05 | dondelelcaro | kyu: grep root /etc/passwd; |
| 07:32.09 | Guerin | kyu: well, I haven't used any of those. |
| 07:32.12 | kyu | Schiz0 , windowmaker :) |
| 07:32.14 | Schiz0 | ah. |
| 07:32.48 | kyu | dondelelcaro , pardon? |
| 07:32.48 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro: does ubuntu smell like ubunpoo? |
| 07:32.58 | Schiz0 | Haha. |
| 07:33.17 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro: sorry, couldn't resist |
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| 07:34.01 | streuner | hm |
| 07:34.07 | dondelelcaro | kyu: the error you're getting sounds like you don't have an entry for uid 0. |
| 07:34.11 | snadge | is there a program thats good for rescuing data off cds with read errors? |
| 07:34.16 | Xytek^ | I guess, I'm out of luck untill someone who uses Firefox with KDE can help me lol :o) |
| 07:34.27 | dondelelcaro | snadge: data? or audio? |
| 07:34.31 | snadge | cp just isnt cutting it.. it hangs for ages and the kernel prints read error messages, i just want to skip dodgey files |
| 07:34.33 | Schiz0 | Xytek^- I use both perfectly fine lol |
| 07:34.33 | snadge | data |
| 07:34.36 | Agabus | Xytek^ - whats your firefox problem? |
| 07:34.40 | Schiz0 | But I have no idea what the error is |
| 07:34.49 | Xytek^ | I get an error when i try to open it. |
| 07:34.54 | kyu | dondelelcaro, err, i'm not getting an error. You might have me confused with someone i was trying to help :)) |
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| 07:35.13 | Agabus | Xytek^ - and what is the error? |
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| 07:35.28 | Xytek^ | we should probably go to #flood, its like 3 lines, i dont think i can paste it here |
| 07:35.38 | kyu | rm the \n's |
| 07:35.45 | Eulex | Xytek^, or use the paster |
| 07:35.54 | Agabus | just PM me |
| 07:35.55 | dondelelcaro | kyu: "00:28:26 <kyu> chealer, unknown id ;" |
| 07:36.05 | java | i receivng that error when trying to java my bot. |
| 07:36.07 | java | any idea's ? |
| 07:36.11 | java | #flood |
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| 07:36.16 | snadge | dondelelcaro, so thats a no? ;) |
| 07:36.29 | kyu | dondelelcaro , oh no, su - makes you su root but it's a login shell, in debian i type that and it tries to parse - as a username |
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| 07:36.44 | kyu | So it thinks "Who the fuck is this - guy?" |
| 07:36.46 | kyu | ;) |
| 07:36.48 | dondelelcaro | kyu: which version of su |
| 07:36.50 | java | kyu: i've now setup the classpath and path for my java applet |
| 07:36.58 | java | but am receinging dramas. |
| 07:37.06 | Kylixen | Schiz0: What gui is what? |
| 07:37.16 | java | could i please ask that you take a look at what it's spitting out in #flood ? |
| 07:37.24 | muskat | People how better to create partitions for learning/using as a home server Debian |
| 07:37.26 | kyu | su -v or --version doesn't give me a number |
| 07:37.28 | Schiz0 | er |
| 07:37.30 | muskat | memory is 1 Gb |
| 07:37.30 | kyu | The one with sid? :) |
| 07:37.36 | kyu | did upgrade yesterday |
| 07:37.38 | Schiz0 | Kylixen- sorry, wrong nick, tab completion |
| 07:37.50 | muskat | People how better to create partitions for learning/using as a home server Debian |
| 07:37.53 | dondelelcaro | kyu: then reread the manpage and the changelog. |
| 07:38.05 | muskat | Is it swap necessary |
| 07:38.18 | mang | yes :/ |
| 07:38.29 | kyu | the man page contains the - |
| 07:38.41 | kyu | to quote, - make this a login shell |
| 07:38.47 | jethro | kyu: you're pwned |
| 07:39.05 | mang | muskat http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=Tutorial&pageid=218 |
| 07:39.07 | kyu | Well su root - works, but i want it to su root - when i type su - |
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| 07:39.10 | mang | Swap Basics |
| 07:39.16 | kyu | suppose i'lljust alias it |
| 07:39.18 | kyu | ;) |
| 07:39.24 | muskat | even when RAM is 1 Gb, swap is required anyway ? |
| 07:39.33 | brknsoul | where can i find the new initrd.img file after compiling a new kernel? |
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| 07:39.47 | Schiz0 | muskat- you should always have some swap space, not matter what. |
| 07:39.48 | MobyTurbo | jethro: are you serious or are you joking? |
| 07:40.04 | kyu | Oh, by the way, jethro, what?! |
| 07:40.12 | muskat | and how many space should I create swap partition |
| 07:40.27 | MobyTurbo | "su -" works here on my Sarge box |
| 07:40.30 | Schiz0 | with a gig of ram? |
| 07:40.31 | muskat | and what other partitions you can advise to create |
| 07:40.41 | muskat | maybe for /home ? |
| 07:40.46 | Schiz0 | I'd say 200-500 megs. |
| 07:40.50 | kyu | "su - " complains, but "su root -" has the desired effect |
| 07:40.54 | jethro | MobyTurbo: same here on sarge en sid. |
| 07:41.07 | jethro | s/en/and/ |
| 07:41.10 | MobyTurbo | jethro: then maybe he *is* pwned |
| 07:41.27 | sgeigerbot | kyu: from the man page: su [OPTS] [-] [username [ARGS]] |
| 07:41.30 | dondelelcaro | kyu: I can't duplicate that at all, even with -36 |
| 07:41.33 | kyu | jethro: [08:38AM] (jethro) kyu: you're pwned <-- explain. |
| 07:41.36 | jethro | MobyTurbo: indeed. |
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| 07:41.47 | jethro | kyu: don't be demanding |
| 07:41.54 | kyu | It was a request |
| 07:42.00 | chealer | brknsoul: you're sure that you compiled your kernel with an initrd, right? |
| 07:42.07 | muskat | and what other partitions you can advise to create |
| 07:42.24 | jethro | kyu: this weird behavior of su on your box could be a sign that it's been compromised. that's what pwned meant |
| 07:42.29 | muskat | using as minimum space as required for normal learning/using as a home server |
| 07:42.46 | Schiz0 | muskat- depends on what you're using it for |
| 07:42.47 | mang | muskat how much space have you got to spare and what do you want to install ;/ |
| 07:42.47 | brknsoul | chealer: ahh, i don't know :-P |
| 07:42.53 | muskat | maybe 5 Gb for / and 9Gb for /home |
| 07:42.59 | kyu | tripwire says the md5's are ok, unless that leeto haxxor managed to get my tripwire floppy |
| 07:43.01 | kyu | ;) |
| 07:43.04 | muskat | and 500 Mb for /swap |
| 07:43.24 | sgeigerbot | kyu: I don't think it should work if you put the "-" after the username...at least it doesn't work on my machine...and that's what the man page says, as well. I don't know why it would work for you. |
| 07:43.33 | muskat | Will it be enough |
| 07:43.35 | Kylixen | muskat: What is the machine going to be used for? |
| 07:43.38 | kyu | IT's wierd eh? |
| 07:43.47 | sgeigerbot | kyu: yes. |
| 07:43.48 | kyu | jade: ~ > su - |
| 07:43.48 | kyu | Unknown id: - |
| 07:43.54 | Kylixen | muskat: Are you running multiple linux distros? |
| 07:44.02 | muskat | Kylixen you mean hardware resources ? |
| 07:44.11 | simonrvn | wtf. restore from known safe backups |
| 07:44.13 | Kylixen | muskat: Is it going to be a server, a pc, a gaming pc, what? |
| 07:44.28 | muskat | Kylixen I am going to install debian stable |
| 07:44.33 | simonrvn | or better yet, reinstall, and back up any non-binary data |
| 07:44.45 | Kylixen | muskat: are you planning on running to linux distributions? |
| 07:44.49 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: hi |
| 07:44.51 | muskat | it will be home server primarily for learning server daemons |
| 07:44.53 | Kylixen | s/to/two/ |
| 07:44.58 | simonrvn | hiya |
| 07:44.59 | muskat | and learning system as a whole |
| 07:45.12 | Kylixen | Dont' worry about having a seperate /home partition |
| 07:45.18 | Kylixen | have a seperate /var partition |
| 07:45.26 | muskat | I have some basic (and not only) knowledge about Debian and want to go on learning |
| 07:45.30 | Kylixen | Just incase something goes crazy and writes XXXXXXXXgigs of logs |
| 07:45.30 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: are you still using greylisting? |
| 07:45.47 | muskat | are you serious |
| 07:45.57 | simonrvn | no, stopped for some reason. it's on my TODO however |
| 07:46.01 | mang | no he said it for fun ;/ |
| 07:46.03 | Schiz0 | muskat- yeah I'm agreeing on Kylixen with that. |
| 07:46.06 | Kylixen | muskat; You would want a seperate partition for home if you were running mutiple distros |
| 07:46.10 | muskat | I think separate /var partition is necessary for real full-scale server but not for home PC |
| 07:46.15 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: "for some reason" means what? It mysteriously stopped? |
| 07:46.21 | Kylixen | muskat; If you are learning, you might misconfigure something cuasing a huge log dump |
| 07:46.27 | Kylixen | Don't want to fill up /, now do we? |
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| 07:46.34 | jethro | sgeigerbot: he couldn't cope with the delay :) |
| 07:46.39 | muskat | Separate /home will simplify further reinstallation of system |
| 07:46.49 | Kylixen | muskat: Not really |
| 07:46.52 | muskat | it will be enough to reformat only / |
| 07:47.03 | simonrvn | stopped using it, i have a list of ACL drops that gets daily adds. just haven't had the time to re-set it up again |
| 07:47.03 | Kylixen | muskat: You don't have a packup partition anyway? |
| 07:47.19 | Kylixen | muskat: a server should archive everything in someplace other than home. |
| 07:47.30 | simonrvn | fuck, i have a separate /var/log... |
| 07:47.32 | Kylixen | Unless it's a subsystem of home |
| 07:47.35 | muskat | but in all manuals usually recommend to create separate /home |
| 07:47.44 | kyu | packup? you mean backup? That's pretty impressive, b and p are miles away :) |
| 07:48.11 | Kylixen | kyu: Attack of the dyslexic potatoes ;) |
| 07:48.20 | simonrvn | botatoes ;p |
| 07:48.22 | kyu | pfffft,vi users |
| 07:48.28 | Kylixen | vi > all |
| 07:48.28 | Kylixen | boi |
| 07:48.30 | muskat | So do you think that 5 Gb for will be enough for / or it could be larger or smaller |
| 07:48.31 | Kylixen | Don't forget it ;) |
| 07:48.41 | kyu | i like nvi for small config tweaks, not for coding though |
| 07:48.46 | Schiz0 | vim owns all. |
| 07:48.47 | Kylixen | muskat: Should be fine, for what you are doing. |
| 07:48.49 | kyu | xemacs |
| 07:48.52 | Kylixen | Schiz0: Indeed. |
| 07:48.57 | jethro | !start an editor war |
| 07:48.57 | Kylixen | eek |
| 07:48.57 | dpkg | edlin sucks |
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| 07:49.02 | muskat | and 400 Mb for swap |
| 07:49.08 | Kylixen | He even threw in the friggen X! |
| 07:49.08 | muskat | and 9 Gb for /home |
| 07:49.13 | Kylixen | *murders kyu* |
| 07:49.24 | kyu | Hehe |
| 07:49.34 | muskat | or maybe smaller ? |
| 07:49.36 | Kylixen | fuck you guys, cat for the win ;0 |
| 07:49.39 | Eulex | muskat, how much ram does the machine have? |
| 07:49.54 | muskat | 1 Gb |
| 07:50.24 | muskat | Is 9 Gb for /home enough or too large or too small partition ? |
| 07:50.36 | Kylixen | It depends on what youa re going to do with it... |
| 07:50.41 | Kylixen | Are you going to store an ass load of stuff in home? |
| 07:50.49 | Kylixen | Sounds like you are going archive there. |
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| 07:50.50 | Eulex | muskat, depending on what you are gonna run, you may want to have even more swap |
| 07:50.55 | Kylixen | If so, then I would make it bit. |
| 07:50.57 | Kylixen | *big |
| 07:50.59 | jethro | !handhold muskat |
| 07:51.11 | Eulex | muskat, I've got 1 gb ram and 2 gb swap, just in case |
| 07:51.42 | Kylixen | Any who, off to bed |
| 07:51.44 | Kylixen | Much <3 |
| 07:51.54 | e2e | Eulex: Have you ever used 2GB swap? And with 1GB RAM? |
| 07:52.03 | Schiz0 | I have 256 megs ram, and 290 megs swap. Swap is NEVER in use. |
| 07:52.07 | Schiz0 | either that, or the script is bad... |
| 07:52.10 | muskat | smtpd, httpd, samba, pppd, ftpd, nfs, etc |
| 07:52.29 | muskat | i will be the only user of this daemons |
| 07:52.32 | muskat | pop3d |
| 07:52.34 | e2e | muskat: So you'll use this as a server? |
| 07:52.34 | muskat | imapd |
| 07:52.47 | muskat | as a home server for learning daemons primarily |
| 07:52.57 | Schiz0 | muskat- I run ircd, ftpd, mysqld, httpd, sshd on 256 megs ram. |
| 07:53.00 | muskat | not for real tasks ( as a full-scale server) |
| 07:53.01 | Eulex | e2e, nope, I usually use none of the swap, and sometimes I use a few megs of it |
| 07:53.12 | muskat | I will be the only client of this servers |
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| 07:53.23 | kyu | I've never gone into swap on my server i don't think |
| 07:53.40 | kyu | even when i was malloc() fork() bombed during the wargames we used to run |
| 07:53.55 | e2e | muskat: If you plan to store your server data at your home partition that's fine, but you have more partitions like /var /usr /tmp etc. for a server |
| 07:54.02 | evilbadman | the most i've ever seen my swap at is about 600k |
| 07:54.15 | e2e | Eulex: 2GB (especially with 1GB RAM) is to much for swap... |
| 07:54.15 | Eulex | e2e, well, I had bad experiences on an old computer that had just 64 mb ram, that's my excuse -- I had to have ~200mb swap, or things got killed sometimes |
| 07:54.15 | kyu | what were you doing? loading jedit? ;))))) |
| 07:55.21 | teufel | Do I have to have a telnet daemon running on my debian comp to accept telnets, or does it come with apache? |
| 07:55.27 | Paavo | Swap _can_ be useful even if you have boatloads of RAM. There are always some inactive processes that the system can move to swap and make more room for disk cache. |
| 07:55.38 | kyu | teufel, why do you want telnet? |
| 07:55.38 | Schiz0 | teufel- don't use telnet, run ssh. |
| 07:55.42 | Guerin | teufel: don't accept login via telnet, and what does telnet have to do with a web server? |
| 07:55.45 | kyu | For the love of god! run ssh2! |
| 07:56.03 | teufel | lol, well I guess I don't know anything about it then, is ssh the same thing? |
| 07:56.06 | e2e | teufel: Yes, but listen what kyu, Guerin, Schiz0 says |
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| 07:56.13 | kyu | ssh == secure shell |
| 07:56.16 | Guerin | teufel: no, ssh is mo' better. |
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| 07:56.18 | kyu | telnet with tls :) |
| 07:56.18 | teufel | ah |
| 07:56.18 | muskat | I think that it it will be better to create 9 Gb /home and than create /usr /var and other partitions if they will be necessary for running of my server |
| 07:56.25 | muskat | is it good idea ? |
| 07:56.37 | teufel | ok, so do I need a ssh daemon running then? =P |
| 07:56.41 | kyu | if you want remote shell with any degree of security yes |
| 07:56.51 | kyu | Sending plaintext passwords != good idea |
| 07:56.58 | Guerin | muskat: depends what you want |
| 07:57.04 | nephlim | how do i make it so that only users foo and foo2 can write to a given folder? |
| 07:57.16 | Paavo | teufel: if you want to be able to use your machine remotely then yes |
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| 07:57.36 | e2e | muskat: You can use only one partition for a server, but it won't be a good idea, please learn /var /usr /tmp directories and what they hold... |
| 07:57.36 | teufel | paavo: what is one that is good for debian then? |
| 07:57.41 | Guerin | muskat: 2G /, 2G /usr 2G /var, the rest /home is sane |
| 07:57.41 | kyu | nephlim, add them to a group they're only part of, then chmod u=rwx,g=rwx,o= dirname |
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| 07:57.54 | Guerin | or 5G /, the rest /home |
| 07:57.56 | nephlim | thanks kyu |
| 07:57.57 | Paavo | teufel: aptitude install ssh |
| 07:58.15 | teufel | paavo: thanks... |
| 07:58.18 | kyu | Ok, i'm off to she shop to undo the last 6 days of non-smoking |
| 07:58.23 | kyu | bwuhahaha |
| 07:58.27 | Paavo | teufel: it comes with both the client and the daemon |
| 07:58.32 | muskat | am i right |
| 07:58.48 | kyu | Are you? :| |
| 07:58.52 | teufel | paavo: sounds good |
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| 07:58.58 | AndyG | kyu: nahh, i stoped 2 days agou and it feels good |
| 07:58.58 | teufel | what is the difference between ssh and ssh2? |
| 07:59.10 | Guerin | am i wrong? </lebowski's mate whose name i can't remember played by john goodman> |
| 07:59.13 | kyu | AndyG, i've not slept in two days, pulling my hair out man |
| 07:59.18 | nephlim | kyu, do u and g and o stand for anything? |
| 07:59.20 | e2e | teufel: ssh2 is more secure :) |
| 07:59.24 | kyu | Was smoking like 20 a day |
| 07:59.28 | cast | teufel: version 1 of the protocol had a slight flaw |
| 07:59.35 | AndyG | So go to sleep instead of smoking, prob. helps better |
| 07:59.40 | Guerin | slight maning it was as holey as swiss cheese |
| 07:59.42 | kyu | nephlim, u = user, g = group and o = everyone else |
| 07:59.47 | teufel | so, is it a good idea to just go after a ssh2 daemon then instaed of bothering with 1? |
| 07:59.49 | muskat | i decided to create 1 Gb for /swap in case of STD |
| 07:59.57 | muskat | suspend-to-disk |
| 07:59.58 | e2e | teufel: yes |
| 07:59.59 | kyu | so it's like let users and groups read write and exec everything in here, and let everyone else be unable to |
| 08:00.08 | kyu | the user being the owner of the dir |
| 08:00.32 | kyu | try 'man chmod' for more info |
| 08:00.38 | muskat | 5 Gb -/, 8-9 Gb - /home, 1 Gb - /swap |
| 08:00.41 | teufel | Paavo: is there an aptitude install ssh2 command? |
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| 08:00.52 | kyu | teufel, aptitude install openssh |
| 08:00.53 | nephlim | kyu, so something like chmod dan=rwx,ftp=rwx,0=/home/ftp ? |
| 08:01.01 | jethro | muskat: are you going to ask for each and every step of the install process? |
| 08:01.02 | Paavo | teufel: the default ssh supports both |
| 08:01.10 | e2e | teufel: There is only one package, it will ask you if you want to enable ssh1 |
| 08:01.12 | teufel | paavo ah ok |
| 08:01.15 | Paavo | teufel: and uses version 2 by default |
| 08:01.16 | muskat | Subsequently I redistribute 5 Gb for /, /usr, /var, if it will be necessary |
| 08:01.17 | kyu | nephlim, nah, it's like, dan and ftp are in group "pimps" |
| 08:01.27 | teufel | thanks guys, I was confused |
| 08:01.29 | thoffland | what's a good small distribution to put onto a small hd with a 200mhz processor? |
| 08:01.29 | cast | anyone get systrace to work in a recent version of linux? |
| 08:01.38 | teufel | so using telnet is n00ber outdated I take it? |
| 08:01.40 | kyu | nephlim, you chowwn the dir to be owned by the "pimps group" and deny access to anyone not in that grou[p |
| 08:01.47 | jethro | teufel: telnet is deprecated |
| 08:01.49 | muskat | jethro Nope, I am only interested how better create partitions for linux |
| 08:01.57 | nephlim | kyu, oh okay |
| 08:01.59 | resiak | thoffland: Hard disks don't have processors. :) |
| 08:02.05 | jethro | muskat: read an install guide, stop polluting #debian. |
| 08:02.06 | kyu | and it's "oh" not 0 :) |
| 08:02.07 | AndyG | kyu: i realy believe there are chemical exploits in cigarttes that make us think we need them. Isnt that a perfect marketing clou? |
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| 08:02.08 | thoffland | resiak: LOL |
| 08:02.09 | Paavo | teufel: using telnet is a bad idea. |
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| 08:02.27 | teufel | and ssh is port 22 usually right? |
| 08:02.30 | resiak | thoffland: Google will know. You could probably put Sarge on it and just run very little. |
| 08:02.32 | Paavo | teufel: yep |
| 08:02.38 | kyu | AndyG, 48 hours... no sleep. crazy amounts of ruby, elisp and #debian.. starting.. to.. lose... self... going.. for cigs... ;) |
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| 08:03.00 | thoffland | resiak: i tried sarge earlier, net install... got stuck at the driver install |
| 08:03.10 | resiak | thoffland: Hell, X and Gnome are usable (just) on a 400MHz box with 128MB RAM, in my experience. Oh, bugger. |
| 08:03.16 | AndyG | kyu: no way, go to sleep.... it will help much better ;) |
| 08:03.16 | Eulex | thoffland, mostly depends on the amount of ram what you can run |
| 08:03.30 | kyu | You won't talk me out of it god damn it! |
| 08:03.32 | kyu | ;))) |
| 08:03.42 | e2e | kyu: Let's smoke together... |
| 08:03.48 | AndyG | kyu: lol |
| 08:03.49 | kyu | Thanks for trying though |
| 08:04.00 | thoffland | Eulex: ah... i'll have to look into it more then. I had FreeBSD on here with fluxbox, but as a newbie, I think linux is better to work with |
| 08:04.00 | resiak | thoffland: Do you want to elaborate on "got stuck at the driver install" |
| 08:04.03 | Paavo | I remember once running a network sniffer on a university campus network back when it still used hubs instead of switches and saw how easy it is to eavesdrop on telnet sessions. |
| 08:04.35 | thoffland | resiak: sure, I loaded the boot and root floppies, then it asked if I wanted to install drivers (which is the cd-driver.img disk) and it failed |
| 08:04.37 | kyu | Paavo, it's harder to sniff psn's? since when? ;) |
| 08:04.44 | kyu | Ok, really out to shop |
| 08:04.57 | teufel | weird, I must have ssh already installed, I just got in |
| 08:05.06 | thoffland | resiak: I was talking to someone earlier, but they got frustrated with me because I dont know what I"m talking about |
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| 08:05.32 | resiak | thoffland: Oh, no CD-ROM. I'm going to step away at this point, because I have to go pack. Sorry. |
| 08:05.36 | Eulex | thoffland, if you have an old computer with a shitload of ram, everything will work ok, but maybe it will be a little slow. if you have an old computer with little ram, things will become extremely slow when it starts to swap |
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| 08:05.45 | Paavo | The point was that with hubs, everyone sees all traffic by default. With switches you at least have to do something active to see the traffic. (I think, I'm not a networking expert.) |
| 08:05.47 | thoffland | resiak: no prob |
| 08:05.49 | MrBallZ | hi |
| 08:06.09 | resiak | thoffland: Could you put the hard disk into a box that has a CD-ROM? Then you could do the base install on that one then transfer the disk back. |
| 08:06.19 | thoffland | Eulex: ok, i'll disect it and see what I'm working with a little more closely |
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| 08:06.28 | thoffland | Eulex: ooh.. that's a good idea |
| 08:06.36 | MrBallZ | question: It seems that my swap partition ( /dev/hda5 ) is off , or not able to be used, even though its mounted, this is because it has 0MB used .... what can i do ? |
| 08:06.42 | fpitt | good morning |
| 08:06.52 | Paavo | MrBallZ: what does 'free' say? |
| 08:07.03 | thoffland | resiak: thanks! I'll try that |
| 08:07.05 | teufel | can someone tell me where the .fluxbox/config file is? I cant remember heh |
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| 08:07.29 | MrBallZ | Paavo: swap used 0 |
| 08:07.33 | Eulex | teufel, ~/.fluxbox/config? |
| 08:07.44 | Paavo | MrBallZ: what about swap total? |
| 08:07.56 | MrBallZ | 698788 |
| 08:08.02 | resiak | teufel: man fluxbox? |
| 08:08.02 | MrBallZ | that is the size of my swap pratiton |
| 08:08.06 | Paavo | MrBallZ: then everything is fine |
| 08:08.09 | MrBallZ | ? |
| 08:08.15 | MrBallZ | shouldn't it be used |
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| 08:08.18 | teufel | eulex: yea, but what is defaultly before the /.fluxbox directory? |
| 08:08.22 | MrBallZ | like at least som 100 MB ?? |
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| 08:08.32 | Eulex | MrBallZ, then you're just not using any of your swap |
| 08:08.37 | zumbi | !debconf5 |
| 08:08.37 | dpkg | debconf5 is the 6th Debian conference which will take place from July 10th to July 17th in Helsinki, Finland. Visit http://www.debconf.org for more details |
| 08:08.41 | MrBallZ | mmmm... I C |
| 08:08.48 | Paavo | MrBallZ: "swap used" means the amount of stuff that has actually been swapped out. If you have lots of RAM there is no pressing need for swap. |
| 08:08.53 | MrBallZ | i taught it alwas got used, to aleviate the ram usage |
| 08:08.58 | resiak | teufel: /home/your-user-name/.fluxbox/* |
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| 08:09.03 | MrBallZ | ahhh ok ok |
| 08:09.07 | teufel | resiak: thanks |
| 08:09.12 | Paavo | MrBallZ: depends on the VM settings. you can adjust the behaviour. |
| 08:09.17 | MrBallZ | ok, guys, thanks for clarifiying , good night |
| 08:09.19 | resiak | teufel: ~ means /home/your-user |
| 08:09.23 | MrBallZ | bye bye |
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| 08:09.25 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: debconf5 =~ s/will take/is taking/ |
| 08:09.25 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 08:09.49 | ThePiratemaster | any has experiance in installing sspe? |
| 08:09.55 | teufel | So I take it a . after the slash and before the directory name makes it hidden? |
| 08:10.16 | ThePiratemaster | and can anyone help me installing it? |
| 08:10.20 | Eulex | teufel, yes |
| 08:10.30 | Eulex | ThePiratemaster, umh, apt-get it? |
| 08:10.38 | teufel | and what is the basic shell command to edit a file without opening a gui editor? |
| 08:10.53 | resiak | teufel: nano filename |
| 08:10.54 | Paavo | teufel: well, a dot in the beginning of any file or directory name makes it 'hidden' in the sense that tools usually choose not to display those. |
| 08:10.56 | ThePiratemaster | nano -w |
| 08:11.16 | teufel | thanks |
| 08:11.18 | ThePiratemaster | nano -w if its a configuration file |
| 08:11.41 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: A good point, ta. I use a real text editor myself, so :) |
| 08:11.47 | teufel | wow ssh is pimp |
| 08:12.07 | ThePiratemaster | :P |
| 08:12.19 | ThePiratemaster | ssh rox |
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| 08:12.56 | teufel | It's such an easier setup than trying to get into windows from afk |
| 08:13.23 | teufel | I love this whole "everything you can do in the gui, can also be done in the prompt" type of crap |
| 08:13.24 | ThePiratemaster | anyone has experiance in installing sspe adn can give me a few pointers on how to install it, theres no documentation O_O |
| 08:13.49 | ThePiratemaster | and i already googled for it without any usefull resuslts |
| 08:14.35 | Paavo | teufel: I take it you are a new Linux user? |
| 08:16.36 | teufel | paavo: :-d kind of. I really wanted to get into it about a year and a half ago, had no idea what I was doing and kind of got frustrated and let it sit a long while. Tried again, same thing. This time, for some reason, it all clicked and I'm at least understanding what is going on |
| 08:17.06 | ThePiratemaster | :P |
| 08:17.23 | teufel | paavo: For some reason, it was a really hard switch from windows for me. Just the concept of being able to screw crap up or edit config files etc... it feels so overwhelming at first |
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| 08:17.42 | ThePiratemaster | if u get more experianced u might wanna try to build a lfs |
| 08:17.48 | teufel | lfs? |
| 08:18.01 | ThePiratemaster | get all the components and build linux yuorself |
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| 08:18.09 | teufel | ah, build your own kernal? |
| 08:18.16 | Paavo | teufel: You've taken your first step into a larger world. |
| 08:18.20 | ThePiratemaster | (it just sounds like a challenge) |
| 08:18.24 | ThePiratemaster | no |
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| 08:18.41 | ThePiratemaster | just get all the gnu/linux packages |
| 08:18.52 | teufel | paavo: yeah, it's really awesome so far. I really want to switch my main comp over once I get at least above novice at handling it. |
| 08:18.52 | ThePiratemaster | and "screw em togather" |
| 08:19.09 | teufel | paavo: so far I'm in <3 with fluxbox over like kde or gnome |
| 08:19.17 | Xytek^ | Can anyone help me get my sound working? I have a Sound Blaster Audigy X-Gamer, and Onboard AC97 soundcard i believe. im just not sure if either of them work? |
| 08:19.42 | Paavo | The thing that really amazed me when I switched was the fact that all configuration files were text, not some random binary crap that can't be edited. |
| 08:19.51 | ThePiratemaster | installed alsa? |
| 08:19.54 | kyu | Best cigarette i've ever had |
| 08:20.28 | teufel | paavo: exactally... its just amazing how much freedom you have. It's like living in some camp all your life then set wild in the woods |
| 08:20.29 | ThePiratemaster | i once screwed around with ssh and itried everything |
| 08:20.31 | kyu | teufel, i liked fluxbox for ages, but i always seem to back to jade: ~ > su - |
| 08:20.31 | kyu | Unknown id: - |
| 08:20.33 | kyu | er |
| 08:20.35 | kyu | oops! |
| 08:20.51 | kyu | http://console-pimps.org/~kyu/Epic4.png, even |
| 08:20.52 | kyu | :) |
| 08:20.54 | ThePiratemaster | it turned uot i just misscee one step called the "installation" or something |
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| 08:21.31 | kyu | I found myself irritated with fluxbox at times, my current setpu doesn't get in my way at all |
| 08:21.34 | kyu | which is great |
| 08:22.01 | teufel | kyu: lol... there is a window manager called jade? |
| 08:22.04 | kyu | i want a shell? ctrl+s, i want to goto workspace 3? alt+3 :) |
| 08:22.24 | Paavo | teufel: ...or more like set free into beautiful, lush wilderness from the confines of some urban concrete desert. Sorry, getting overly poetic here :) |
| 08:22.28 | resiak | kyu: Urgh, you just broke switching tabs in irssi. |
| 08:22.33 | kyu | teufel, err, npo that's my system's name, i had the wrong thing in third mouse button history :) |
| 08:22.39 | teufel | paavo: /grin |
| 08:23.09 | teufel | kyu: ah, that could be fatal! So what window manager do you always go back to? I'm curious |
| 08:23.26 | resiak | !lart people who use Meta for WM things when there's a perfectly good Super key which even alludes to windows! |
| 08:23.28 | kyu | resiak, i use esc+num to switch, and i prefer epic anyway |
| 08:23.36 | kyu | teufel, windowmaker :) |
| 08:23.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:23.57 | ThePiratemaster | what do u guys think of enlightment? |
| 08:24.03 | Gnea | kyu: that's epic4? what script? |
| 08:24.06 | resiak | kyu: Oh. You're _that_ kind of sick, twisted person? :) |
| 08:24.07 | kyu | super key? |
| 08:24.12 | resiak | kyu: Windows key? |
| 08:24.14 | Gnea | ThePiratemaster: i run E17 and nothing else. |
| 08:24.27 | ThePiratemaster | :) |
| 08:24.28 | kyu | Oh i don't have a wqindows key, i'm pure |
| 08:24.34 | ThePiratemaster | isnt e17 still a lil buggy? |
| 08:24.42 | kyu | Gnea, it's called errr.. Anduril i think, haxed up though :) |
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| 08:24.43 | Gnea | that's why people use it... |
| 08:24.49 | Gnea | to squash the bugs.... |
| 08:24.53 | resiak | kyu: Nor do I. I have a Tux key. ;-) |
| 08:24.57 | Paavo | The metaphor does fit though: The city has all sorts of services ready-built, but to change anything you need large resources and lots of money... whereas out there in the wilderness basically all you need is a set of tools and you can build whatever you want :) |
| 08:25.12 | ThePiratemaster | oh yeah... (free software) |
| 08:25.13 | Gnea | ThePiratemaster: actually it's been good all week |
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| 08:25.38 | ThePiratemaster | yay |
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| 08:25.42 | Gnea | ThePiratemaster: well, this IS freenode |
| 08:25.51 | ThePiratemaster | is there an debian packege yet? |
| 08:25.53 | kyu | And yes, i'm _that_ kind of twisted guy :) |
| 08:25.57 | Gnea | yeah |
| 08:26.02 | Gnea | not sure i'd use it tho |
| 08:26.16 | ThePiratemaster | lemme check |
| 08:26.20 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 08:26.20 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 08:26.24 | kyu | e17's about the same size as kde now isn't it? |
| 08:26.32 | teufel | ok, I have apache set up and can upload files into the root of apache, have a domain name and everything like that set up and working. BUT when I try to view a picture, it just says the URL can't be found, wtf? |
| 08:26.35 | ThePiratemaster | i wanted to sign up as a graphics guy |
| 08:26.36 | Paavo | I think resistance to having a windows key is silly. |
| 08:26.36 | kyu | Yuck. :/ |
| 08:26.38 | Gnea | naw |
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| 08:26.53 | kyu | Paavo, i'm not resistant against the fact, i just.... don't have one |
| 08:26.53 | Rucas | how can i force ACPI to be enabled on older machines? what arg should i pass at boot |
| 08:26.55 | Paavo | You can remap it, after all, and then it's really useful. |
| 08:26.58 | Gnea | kyu: the trick is the underlying methodology |
| 08:27.16 | kyu | sickening corperate logo |
| 08:27.24 | Xytek^ | Can anyone kindly help me with getting my sound to work? lspci shows my soundcard listed, but I dont think its working.... |
| 08:27.42 | Paavo | kyu: oh, ok. you can grind off the logo if you are offended :) |
| 08:27.58 | kyu | I would if i had a keyboard with one on it :) |
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| 08:28.08 | ThePiratemaster | tnx gnea |
| 08:28.10 | resiak | Paavo: Or get Cherry's tuxboard, which is cool but buggy as all fuck. |
| 08:28.10 | kyu | Although a sticker would suffice i guess |
| 08:28.29 | Eulex | Xytek^, "don't think it's working"? have you tried running something like xmms and tested it |
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| 08:28.42 | teufel | it just says it wasn't found on the server wtf |
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| 08:29.00 | ThePiratemaster | now does anyone know how to deal with installing sspe? |
| 08:29.01 | Paavo | It's annoying that KDE panel hard-codes the windows key to open the K-menu. |
| 08:29.21 | kyu | kde is a piece of shit anyway |
| 08:29.22 | resiak | Paavo: No, it doesn't... |
| 08:29.28 | kyu | Oops,i ment to think that |
| 08:29.29 | kyu | ;)) |
| 08:29.33 | dondelelcaro | teufel: check your error logs; most likely it's not under the DocumentRoot, or you've screwed up your configuration somehow. |
| 08:29.34 | ThePiratemaster | there actually are keyboards with a tux instead of a <win> |
| 08:29.42 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Yes, I _have_ one. :) |
| 08:29.50 | ThePiratemaster | if i'd see one i'd buy one |
| 08:29.54 | Paavo | resiak: not with the latest version, but I think KDE 3.3 still does it. |
| 08:29.58 | ThePiratemaster | where did u get it? |
| 08:30.04 | teufel | dondelelcaro: I've moved my documentroot for apache, but everything is working fine in the root except for pictures or subfolders <sigh> |
| 08:30.12 | Paavo | resiak: ...and that is the version that comes with Sarge |
| 08:30.19 | ThePiratemaster | resiak: where did u get it? |
| 08:30.22 | teufel | what is the bash command for copy? |
| 08:30.25 | dondelelcaro | teufel: paste your config using the paster bot then. |
| 08:30.28 | MrNaz | so debian is safe to use again |
| 08:30.36 | dondelelcaro | teufel: cp? |
| 08:30.40 | Paavo | resiak: or can you tell me some way to turn that off in Sarge? |
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| 08:31.15 | Xytek^ | Eulex, Yes. |
| 08:31.21 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Do _not_ buy Cherry's one (which is what I have). It has 30-odd extra keys, but most of them don't work if you use it over USB without a _kernel_patch_ (and the patch they supply doesn't apply any more), and some of them _never_ work. |
| 08:31.33 | teufel | dondelelcaro: thanks... weird, when I move pictures into the document root they display fine, it's just subfolders. |
| 08:31.38 | kyu | teufel, the commands don't change by the shell you're using |
| 08:31.45 | resiak | Paavo: I haven't used KDE in aaaages, but I know you could turn it off. |
| 08:31.54 | Eulex | Xytek^, run alsaconf as root |
| 08:31.56 | kyu | cp on bash is the exact same program as cp on tcsh or ksh |
| 08:32.04 | ThePiratemaster | tnx resiak |
| 08:32.05 | Paavo | I actually patched the source to remove the hard-coded behaviour, but that was with Sid and since then I moved to Sarge. |
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| 08:32.22 | teufel | kyu: I meant from windows... |
| 08:32.23 | simonrvn | um, edit the hotkeys in kcontrol... |
| 08:32.26 | Xytek^ | command not found?. |
| 08:32.27 | teufel | kyu: or dos rather |
| 08:32.27 | chealer | Paavo: $ kpersonalizer, don't use the Windows behaviour |
| 08:32.29 | dondelelcaro | teufel: then you probably don't have the right permissions on the subfolders, or you've managed to change the Directory settings for them |
| 08:32.34 | ThePiratemaster | btw, im gonna try to configure my joy stick as a mouse |
| 08:32.34 | Paavo | resiak: What was the last version you used? |
| 08:32.37 | kyu | bash on windows? :/ |
| 08:32.41 | Eulex | Xytek^, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 08:32.44 | resiak | Paavo: 3.3, I suspect.\= |
| 08:32.54 | teufel | dondelelcaro: I've chmoded everything and tried that, it just says simply not found, I'll look around the config file I guess |
| 08:33.00 | kyu | I've not used win in so long i don't know that answer though |
| 08:33.06 | resiak | Paavo: My aaaaages are relative. :) |
| 08:33.08 | kyu | Last time i used it was perhaps '95 |
| 08:33.18 | ThePiratemaster | a mouse with 4 axels and 2 scrollwheels, and 12 buttons :P |
| 08:33.25 | chealer | resiak: I'd tend to agree...3.3 is still in sid :) |
| 08:33.32 | kyu | ThePiratemaster, hardcore! :/ |
| 08:33.36 | simonrvn | wtf is an axel |
| 08:33.41 | dondelelcaro | teufel: paste your config and the appropriate error section and the output of ls -l in the document root, then. |
| 08:33.51 | Eulex | simonrvn, he means axis |
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| 08:33.52 | kyu | mine only has... 5 buttons |
| 08:33.52 | ThePiratemaster | u know, in 3d games |
| 08:33.56 | ThePiratemaster | forwared sideward |
| 08:33.58 | ThePiratemaster | up |
| 08:34.01 | ThePiratemaster | speed |
| 08:34.04 | w3rdn4 | how do I get my desktop to be bigger than 800X600? |
| 08:34.08 | resiak | !drxx w3rdn4 |
| 08:34.08 | dpkg | w3rdn4: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 08:34.25 | kyu | w3rdn4, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:34.32 | ThePiratemaster | a mouse only needs 2 |
| 08:34.55 | ThePiratemaster | but why would that matter O_O |
| 08:35.05 | kyu | Why do you need two scroll wheels by the way? |
| 08:35.09 | Xytek^ | Eulex, It says it cant find my card... I have a SoundBlaster audigy XGamer, and an Onboard AC97 compatible, it doesnt seem to find neither.. |
| 08:35.12 | kyu | And argh, 12 buttons?! |
| 08:35.17 | kyu | Still funky though :) |
| 08:35.18 | ThePiratemaster | up scroll |
| 08:35.24 | ThePiratemaster | left scroll |
| 08:35.24 | teufel | dondelelcaro: keep in mind that I'm really noob, I've been looking for the stupid apache config file for like 5 min now :-( Is there like a general directory where installed programs are, and then their config? |
| 08:35.43 | Eulex | Xytek^, check alsa-project.org |
| 08:35.44 | kyu | teufel, find / -name httpd.conf |
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| 08:35.53 | ThePiratemaster | theres a lil 4-way button on the stick i'll use for that |
| 08:35.55 | teufel | kyu: ah, thanks |
| 08:35.58 | dondelelcaro | teufel: then why are you changing the default configuration? stick stuff into /var/www |
| 08:36.17 | Xytek^ | 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) |
| 08:36.20 | Eulex | teufel, /etc is for config files |
| 08:36.25 | teufel | dondelelcaro: cause I changed the document root before, just wanted to make a seperate section for it |
| 08:36.31 | kyu | apache stores it's config in /etc? |
| 08:36.33 | kyu | Since when? |
| 08:36.38 | dondelelcaro | kyu: since forever |
| 08:36.42 | teufel | eulex: thanks... why isn't like the fluxbox config file in there then?? |
| 08:36.55 | ThePiratemaster | ---/etc/apache2 |
| 08:37.00 | kyu | I've never used the .deb for apache though, it isn't like that on the systems i use it on |
| 08:37.01 | teufel | found httpd.conf in /etc/apache |
| 08:37.24 | Paavo | chealer: nope, didn't help. I ran kpersonalizer, selected KDE behaviour, logged out and back in, and the Windows key still pops up the panel menu. |
| 08:37.25 | kyu | depends how it's configured though i guess :) |
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| 08:37.34 | Paavo | chealer: what version of KDE are you using? |
| 08:37.41 | w3rdn4 | http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/PHL3A/google1.jpg |
| 08:37.45 | Eulex | teufel, some config are stored as per-user settings, and then they are in directories in the user's home directory |
| 08:37.51 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* /etc is where config files live. If they're not there, the system isn't FHS compliant. |
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| 08:38.11 | kyu | hahaha w3rdn4 |
| 08:38.41 | teufel | eulex: ah... is there like a global config for fluxbox in etc then? |
| 08:38.51 | Paavo | As I mentioned, I patched the kpanel source a few months ago to remove the hardcoded windows key and at least then it was hardcoded. |
| 08:38.58 | Eulex | teufel, I dunno -- don't think so |
| 08:39.08 | kyu | teufel, /usr/share/fluxbox perhaps |
| 08:39.13 | kikoo_ | how to do a very bad thing : log in X session with root automatically with gdm ?( I know it is very bad, anyway) |
| 08:39.16 | dondelelcaro | blech. |
| 08:39.27 | kyu | kikoo_, we won't tell you how to do that ;) |
| 08:39.27 | dondelelcaro | if fluxbox has a global configuration file, it's in /etc |
| 08:39.48 | kyu | kikoo_, not even for love or money |
| 08:39.51 | kyu | Don't do it. |
| 08:39.55 | Guerin | or in /usr/share/doc/fluxbox/examples if it's not needed |
| 08:39.57 | Paavo | It _is_ possible to turn off the windows key silliness in KDE 3.4, but unfortunately that's not in Sarge :( |
| 08:40.22 | kikoo_ | kyu: total freedom on my computer, no ? |
| 08:40.29 | Eulex | kikoo_, why do you even run X as root? |
| 08:40.31 | kikoo_ | kyu: even it is the worst |
| 08:40.35 | kyu | kikoo_, freedom and stupidity are diff things |
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| 08:40.51 | kyu | There is no reason whatsoever why you would want or need to do such a thing |
| 08:41.04 | kyu | The idea is scary in the fact that you've actually contemplated it |
| 08:41.06 | kikoo_ | kyu: just to try |
| 08:41.13 | kyu | !! |
| 08:41.13 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 08:41.14 | resiak | kikoo_: You can set that in GDM's config. |
| 08:41.15 | Eulex | kyu, agree |
| 08:41.24 | Eulex | d |
| 08:41.45 | kyu | Really, you're asking for trouble if you do that kikoo_, you won't gain anything from it |
| 08:42.12 | Eulex | kikoo_, you should not even run X as root |
| 08:42.23 | kyu | Doesn't gdm/etc start as root? |
| 08:42.33 | kyu | It might drop privs after that though |
| 08:42.56 | kikoo_ | kyu: I know, I want just to know if it is possible |
| 08:43.01 | Eulex | kyu, yeah, it starts as root |
| 08:43.07 | resiak | kikoo_: And I have told you how... |
| 08:43.10 | kyu | Yes, it is possible kikoo_. |
| 08:43.12 | Eulex | kikoo_, it should be possible |
| 08:43.53 | kyu | Bear in mind you were strongly advised against it though. I won't be held to blame for such a idiotic action :| |
| 08:43.55 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: iyntays |
| 08:43.56 | kikoo_ | AutomaticLogin=root # I will try that :) |
| 08:44.23 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: are you on crack? |
| 08:44.29 | kyu | you might aswekk set your root password to "" while you're at it. |
| 08:44.35 | resiak | kikoo_: NO |
| 08:44.41 | kyu | And let remote logins for root |
| 08:44.49 | resiak | kikoo_: Just look in its graphical control panel! |
| 08:44.52 | kyu | And hell, why not chmod 777 EVERYTHING too? |
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| 08:44.58 | kyu | ;) |
| 08:45.01 | kikoo_ | MobyTurbo: no testing my own computer :) |
| 08:45.18 | kyu | You're trying to make it as insecure and unsafe as pos? |
| 08:45.20 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: what do you have against su or sudo? |
| 08:45.25 | kyu | Interesting.. |
| 08:45.35 | kikoo_ | kyu: 777 of course I have already done; not funny enough |
| 08:45.40 | resiak | kikoo_: Debian -> Apps -> System -> GDM Config |
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| 08:46.06 | Eulex | kikoo_, uhum? you are crazy |
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| 08:46.14 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: if you really want to "test my own computer" then type in rm -rf / as root. |
| 08:46.18 | Guerin | uhm, i think he might be teh jox0r |
| 08:46.21 | concept10 | someone explain this if you have knowledge of it: are the DVD associated libraries in linux illegal? |
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| 08:46.28 | kyu | MobyTurbo, at least make it pretty, -v ;) |
| 08:46.30 | kikoo_ | Eulex: no :d |
| 08:46.34 | Guerin | concept10: yes and no. |
| 08:46.53 | resiak | concept10: In certain countries, yes, although whether they _should_ be is another question. |
| 08:47.00 | kyu | Guerin, sadly i'm pretty certain he's being serious |
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| 08:47.04 | kikoo_ | MobyTurbo: the pb with your command is you won't be able have fun ..later :) |
| 08:47.09 | concept10 | Guerin, expound |
| 08:47.18 | kyu | I never thought i would meet someone who wants to autologin as root to gnome to "test" his machine |
| 08:47.22 | kyu | I stand corrected, though |
| 08:47.41 | valdyn | concept10: "breaking" a patent isn't illigal before you get sued and loose. |
| 08:47.44 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: besides, making your computer insecure when you're on the net is not only just doing something "to my own computer", it could make you become a spambot for everyone else to deal with. |
| 08:47.50 | kikoo_ | kyu: if the computer is not connected to the net, where is the pb ? :) |
| 08:48.01 | Eulex | resiak, any idea on where to find info on what countries it's illegal in? |
| 08:48.12 | resiak | Eulex: Just don't live in .us ? :) |
| 08:48.12 | kyu | kikoo_, it's easy to destroy your machine accidently as root (esp if you don't know alot about it) |
| 08:48.17 | concept10 | Ok, so the DVD encryption is patented |
| 08:48.19 | kyu | Which is apparent |
| 08:48.21 | kyu | :) |
| 08:48.23 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: the problem is that running X as root breaks things. |
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| 08:48.24 | Eulex | resiak, ok, then I'm safe :) |
| 08:48.26 | resiak | valdyn: It's not the _patent_ that's the problem |
| 08:48.39 | resiak | Eulex: (I _believe_ that it's legal here in .uk) |
| 08:48.47 | concept10 | Im just curious to what the issue is about |
| 08:48.53 | valdyn | resiak: sure its one of the problems |
| 08:48.55 | kyu | Where in uk resiak ? |
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| 08:49.02 | kikoo_ | MobyTurbo: I know |
| 08:49.15 | concept10 | Guerin, could you please expound on that? |
| 08:49.27 | Xytek^ | Eulex, Alsa's website says my soundcard is supported by it, any ideas? :/ I'm new, to linux so you'll have to forgive me :o |
| 08:49.27 | resiak | concept10: DMCA in the US forbids circumventing copy protection, which is what libdvdcss does |
| 08:49.39 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: then why do you want to do it? Just use sudo and set it to not need a password if you hate typing in one for su. |
| 08:49.55 | Eulex | resiak, it's about software patents, right? so if your country doesn't have any software patents, you should be safe? |
| 08:49.57 | resiak | MobyTurbo: Erm, that's also a really bad idea. |
| 08:50.11 | Eulex | Xytek^, there should be instructions on how to make your snd card work |
| 08:50.12 | concept10 | resiak, okay, thanks. Is there any other way thats legal |
| 08:50.18 | kyu | MobyTurbo , that's no better, i feel we shouldn't be teaching someone such disgusting habits in a place where people come for help |
| 08:50.19 | tito-tenero | I have a problem with apt-get, is this the right place to ask about ? |
| 08:50.20 | resiak | Eulex: No, it's not mainly about software patents, it's about circumvention.\ |
| 08:50.30 | resiak | tito-tenero: What distro? |
| 08:50.32 | kyu | tito-tenero, yep :) |
| 08:50.40 | Eulex | resiak, ok |
| 08:50.40 | kikoo_ | MobyTurbo: I know it is very dumb; I wanted to know if it was possible with gdm and the automatically login |
| 08:50.41 | tito-tenero | debian !!! |
| 08:50.46 | MobyTurbo | resiak: I think so too, but if his system is off then net it's less of a problem then the problems he'll get from running X as root. |
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| 08:50.56 | resiak | concept10: Get a license from the appropriate people. Linspire do that. |
| 08:51.13 | MobyTurbo | kikoo_: a) it's possible b) rm -rf / is also possible |
| 08:51.13 | concept10 | resiak, ok. sort of like mp3 |
| 08:51.14 | resiak | concept10: Or complain to your local politician, since DMCA is evil. |
| 08:51.28 | resiak | concept10: Well, the solution is the same. The problem is not. |
| 08:51.33 | resiak | kyu: London. |
| 08:51.46 | kyu | Beh, boring |
| 08:51.55 | tito-tenero | ... is the answer yes ?? |
| 08:51.55 | Paavo | BTW, if people want to see what rm -rf does, you can try in safely in a VM. |
| 08:51.56 | kyu | I mean.. honestly |
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| 08:52.12 | resiak | tito-tenero: This is the right place for questions about Debian. |
| 08:52.21 | kyu | Paavo, haha @ "See what rm -rf does" |
| 08:52.25 | Guerin | concept10: they're not 'illegal' per se - their implementation is patent-encumbered in some places, and some places have artificial legal restrictions on what have previously been legitimate revers-engineering techniques |
| 08:52.33 | Guerin | as resiak appears to have explained |
| 08:52.38 | tito-tenero | where for question about dpkg, apt-get, etc ? |
| 08:52.41 | Paavo | Meant to say 'rm -rf /'... |
| 08:52.46 | kyu | tito-tenero, here |
| 08:52.53 | kyu | Paavo, Still haha :) |
| 08:52.53 | resiak | tito-tenero: If you're using Debian, here. |
| 08:53.07 | resiak | kyu: Half my family come from Orkney if that gets me points ? |
| 08:53.07 | kikoo_ | MobyTurbo: the solution b) works perfectly :-), mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win95; rm -rf /mnt/win95 & :-); |
| 08:53.32 | kyu | resiak, you would have got extra points for saying "i am a meat popsicle" but you'll get +5 for that yeah :) |
| 08:53.34 | Paavo | Had to try it once :) |
| 08:53.36 | resiak | kyu: Oh. |
| 08:54.08 | resiak | Paavo: If you have rm aliased to rm --preserve-root as nature intended, then the answer is "nothing" ;{) |
| 08:54.26 | kyu | --preserve-root ? |
| 08:54.31 | resiak | kyu: man rm |
| 08:54.36 | idnar | --preserve-root fail to operate recursively on `/' |
| 08:54.38 | kyu | ffs, heh |
| 08:54.54 | kyu | Ah right, you see most of us aren't stupid enough to actually type rm -rf / |
| 08:55.02 | Paavo | resiak: No, I don't. You see, I don't make mistkaes :) |
| 08:55.11 | Xytek^ | Eulex, I'm totally lost.. lol. :/ |
| 08:55.28 | Guerin | resiak: your family come from the hebrides? |
| 08:55.31 | resiak | kyu: Most of us aren't immune to rm -rf / var/www/some-old-thing |
| 08:55.55 | kyu | resiak, fortunately that's not happened to me yet, :) |
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| 08:56.01 | resiak | Guerin: No, my family comes from the Orkneys. ;) |
| 08:56.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:56.09 | kikoo_ | is it possible to send my current-terminal which runs in my display :0.0 to :1.0 ? |
| 08:56.13 | kyu | Orkney being a hebridian isle resiak |
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| 08:56.15 | tito-tenero | The question is: when i run "apt-get upgrade" I get the error message "dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 9810 package `libperl5.8'" . Problem arises because its status is "install OK installe". How can i proceed to fix the error ? |
| 08:56.17 | kyu | ;P |
| 08:56.24 | resiak | kyu: Orkney is _not_ _an_ _island_ ;) |
| 08:56.25 | Guerin | hrm, training day was a decent movie |
| 08:56.33 | Guerin | resiak: oh, it's not? |
| 08:56.37 | kyu | Errr, it's not? |
| 08:56.38 | dondelelcaro | kikoo_: just set DISPLAY=":1.0" foocomd |
| 08:56.40 | kyu | Yes it is! |
| 08:56.41 | kyu | ;) |
| 08:56.41 | resiak | Guerin, kyu: Orkney is the collective name for an assload of islands. |
| 08:56.50 | Guerin | ... in the hebrides |
| 08:56.54 | kyu | add 's' to the end of isle then |
| 08:56.54 | Paavo | Is there something wrong with apt-listbugs? |
| 08:56.54 | resiak | Guerin: Ssh. |
| 08:56.55 | concept10 | Guerin, where you here last week when I said I was chased by the police? |
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| 08:56.57 | Guerin | but ok, i see what you mean. |
| 08:57.01 | Guerin | concept10: i was. |
| 08:57.08 | Paavo | "Retrieving bug reports... 0% [0/6] W: not in gzip format: bximage" |
| 08:57.13 | kyu | I was born in skye though |
| 08:57.17 | Guerin | resiak: my old man's family are from Skye. |
| 08:57.21 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:57.21 | concept10 | Guerin, my car is similar to the one in training day |
| 08:57.24 | kyu | No way! where abouts? |
| 08:57.29 | resiak | Guerin, kyu: My cousin is a fugitive from justice in Skye :) |
| 08:57.39 | Guerin | Torrin? Near Broadford |
| 08:57.45 | kyu | hehe @ fugitive from justice |
| 08:57.47 | kikoo_ | dondelelcaro: but the pb is that the command has been alrealy launched .Are there still a solution ? |
| 08:57.48 | resiak | (He refused to pay the bridge toll.) |
| 08:57.52 | Guerin | resiak: haha |
| 08:57.57 | kyu | Guerin, i was born in dinvegan :) |
| 08:57.57 | concept10 | lmao |
| 08:58.00 | kyu | Got a house there still |
| 08:58.02 | kyu | dunvegan, even |
| 08:58.15 | Guerin | resiak: well, that's the penultimate destination of my korea -> uk trip: my Uncle Neil's croft on Skye |
| 08:58.26 | resiak | Guerin: We've had this conversation before. |
| 08:58.36 | dondelelcaro | kikoo_: the solution is using screen or using xmove; xmove is not particularly user friendly. |
| 08:58.39 | kyu | my folks used to own the dunvegan hotel and the tables, which is kinda the only place to get beer in vegan :) |
| 08:58.40 | Guerin | resiak: probably we have. |
| 08:58.50 | PerfDave | Bradford is a scary and wrong place. |
| 08:59.05 | kyu | Bradford is a bit odd |
| 08:59.08 | Guerin | he's apparently been a decrepit old pisshead since his wife drowned about 15 years ago |
| 08:59.12 | Xytek^ | what do i need to get access, to the command "modinfo" |
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| 08:59.43 | dondelelcaro | Xytek^: just run it |
| 08:59.48 | kikoo_ | dondelelcaro: I know. Let suppose, my irc client is running now in :0.0 and now I want to send this in the display :1.0, I would like just to know if it is possible to do this strange thing ! |
| 08:59.53 | xoz | no wonder... inheritance |
| 08:59.58 | fooz | what the hell are you guys talking about? |
| 09:00.04 | Guerin | fooz: badgers |
| 09:00.09 | dondelelcaro | kikoo_: yes, with xmove. |
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| 09:00.12 | fooz | i can't make sense of anything except someone's car is full of holes |
| 09:00.14 | fhffhqvb | badgers? |
| 09:00.14 | Xytek^ | it says unknown command? |
| 09:00.26 | dondelelcaro | kikoo_: however, you're better off using irssi and screen. |
| 09:00.27 | kyu | kikoo_, you're a very strange person. |
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| 09:00.34 | kyu | I mean.... really... |
| 09:00.34 | resiak | Xytek^: /sbin/modinfo |
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| 09:00.47 | kikoo_ | kyu: thank you for the compliment |
| 09:00.54 | Guerin | fhffhqvb: should have known you had that word on highlight |
| 09:01.04 | fhffhqvb | :-| |
| 09:01.12 | kyu | Anyone who wants to x as root would consider that a compliment i guess ;lP |
| 09:01.21 | kyu | That wasn't how it was intended though |
| 09:01.24 | fhffhqvb | wireless is for wankers |
| 09:01.31 | w3rdn4 | and wankers are for me |
| 09:01.34 | fooz | rlrrlqea |
| 09:01.36 | w3rdn4 | errr, women |
| 09:01.53 | Phated | fhffhqvb: And wired are for those who can't get it up. |
| 09:02.07 | resiak | !irritate Phated |
| 09:02.08 | dpkg | Phated: hi every1 how can I make my mepis werkz !!!! |
| 09:02.24 | Phated | Preferably, by sticking a fork in your eye. |
| 09:02.36 | fhffhqvb | !sgsmite Phated |
| 09:02.50 | resiak | !frenchsmite fhffhqvb |
| 09:02.54 | jethro | :) |
| 09:02.54 | resiak | :( |
| 09:03.00 | kikoo_ | kyu: id depends on...knowing bad thing doens't systematically that using this bad thing |
| 09:03.01 | fhffhqvb | @blaireau resiak |
| 09:03.01 | ravenbird | resiak: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 09:03.06 | kyu | !trout everyone who plays with dpkg |
| 09:03.09 | Phated | Tut. Boys. |
| 09:03.11 | resiak | jethro: C'est a toi! |
| 09:03.12 | kyu | Worth a try ;) |
| 09:03.24 | jethro | resiak: ENONSENSE |
| 09:03.47 | kikoo_ | kyu: ravenbird on ms c'est pas bien de dire tout ça :-à |
| 09:03.51 | resiak | fhffhqvb: I used "blaireau" and "champignon" as variable names in my functional programming exam :) |
| 09:03.56 | resiak | jethro: Right. |
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| 09:04.10 | fooz | champignon! |
| 09:04.11 | kyu | Oh my god, you're french? |
| 09:04.14 | Xytek^ | I need to install a snd-card-emu10k1 shouldn't alsa do this? |
| 09:04.14 | kikoo_ | kyu: resiak is not less stranger than me :-) |
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| 09:04.23 | resiak | @dachs kikoo_ |
| 09:04.25 | kikoo_ | kyu: yeah !!! |
| 09:04.29 | resiak | ... |
| 09:04.32 | kyu | I feel even more sorry for you now ;) |
| 09:04.34 | Xytek^ | thats the driver I need.. but I dont know how to do it.. i need like a newbie guide for doing it?.. lol |
| 09:04.39 | kyu | Go lose a war :P |
| 09:04.48 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 09:04.49 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 09:04.50 | kikoo_ | kyu: ...euh....why ? |
| 09:05.36 | Gnea | kyu: you're being a shithead again. |
| 09:06.02 | fhffhqvb | coming from Gnea, that must be bad |
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| 09:06.13 | kyu | I'm always a shithead |
| 09:06.17 | kyu | That's no problem |
| 09:06.18 | kyu | :) |
| 09:06.44 | kikoo_ | kyu: don't be to naughty againts yourself :-) |
| 09:06.50 | kikoo_ | s/to/too/ |
| 09:07.01 | Gnea | kyu: how long did they have you on lockdown? |
| 09:07.26 | kyu | How long were you living in a trailer before you moved into the toilets in the public library? |
| 09:07.31 | Guerin | christ |
| 09:07.33 | kyu | :/ |
| 09:07.43 | Gnea | 0. |
| 09:08.03 | Gnea | wrong tree |
| 09:08.07 | Guerin | i think a few people need some Quiet Time before they're allowed back into the Play Room |
| 09:08.14 | jethro | indeed |
| 09:08.20 | Gnea | i third that |
| 09:08.32 | Guerin | Gnea: you were one of the people I was talking about. |
| 09:09.00 | Gnea | Guerin: oh, so it's okay for everyone, yourself included, to do it but it's not okay for me to? |
| 09:09.01 | w3rdn4 | LOL |
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| 09:09.04 | kikoo_ | xmove sounds good !! |
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| 09:09.26 | kyu | !lol |
| 09:09.26 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 09:10.50 | Guerin | Gnea: i wasn't. |
| 09:10.55 | fooz | dude i can see your badger, lol |
| 09:11.11 | kyu | badger? |
| 09:11.16 | fooz | k |
| 09:11.38 | w3rdn4 | Hilarious |
| 09:11.41 | Gnea | Guerin: then settle down yourself. |
| 09:11.46 | w3rdn4 | I Love Jesus for his hilarious jokes |
| 09:11.50 | Guerin | Gnea: ... |
| 09:12.04 | kikoo_ | :-) |
| 09:13.02 | w3rdn4 | !tar |
| 09:13.03 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 09:15.36 | kikoo_ | dpkg: ????????????? |
| 09:16.20 | kyu | kikoo_, dpkg is a bot, it responds to !triggers |
| 09:16.37 | kikoo_ | kyu: ok , thank you |
| 09:16.46 | kikoo_ | !tar |
| 09:16.46 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 09:16.53 | kikoo_ | kyu: you are right :) |
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| 09:17.17 | kyu | Did you think i was lying? :/ |
| 09:17.37 | Gnea | ha |
| 09:17.41 | kikoo_ | kyu: not at all, I like trying not usual command :à |
| 09:17.49 | kyu | :) |
| 09:17.50 | kikoo_ | line |
| 09:18.05 | kikoo_ | kyu: do you play go ? |
| 09:18.11 | kyu | go? |
| 09:18.13 | dh0 | i have a wintv 350. i it looks like the ivtv module loaded properly. i still dont have a /dev/video though |
| 09:18.19 | kikoo_ | kyu: go game |
| 09:18.26 | kyu | Can't say i do |
| 09:18.27 | Gnea | dh0: did you read dmesg? |
| 09:18.33 | dh0 | when the module loaded it gave some errors about lircd and such. but it still ran |
| 09:18.41 | dh0 | Gnea i tried |
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| 09:18.46 | Gnea | dh0: and? |
| 09:18.46 | kikoo_ | !triggers |
| 09:18.50 | dh0 | its filled with garbage |
| 09:18.56 | dh0 | i mean just too much stuff |
| 09:18.59 | resiak | kikoo_: /msg dpkg help |
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| 09:19.03 | naddar | anyone know if coreldraw for linux is free? |
| 09:19.05 | kikoo_ | :-) |
| 09:19.05 | Gnea | one mans garbage is another mans treasure |
| 09:19.28 | Gnea | dh0: well try pasting it all to a pastebin |
| 09:19.37 | Gnea | !paste |
| 09:19.37 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 09:19.39 | kyu | naddar, last time i checked i don't think it was, the gimp is ok (once you spend a while using it and it's idiosyncs) :) |
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| 09:20.37 | naddar | Kyu : ok thanks if gimp can do a lot to i can use that :p |
| 09:20.48 | naddar | hey where i can find the settings of my screen |
| 09:21.01 | naddar | it really hurt after a while looking |
| 09:21.09 | paster | "dh0" at 67.164.9.62 pasted "my dmesg output regarding ivtv" (276 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/327 |
| 09:21.13 | Gnea | naddar: that's a rather broad question |
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| 09:21.19 | dh0 | Gnea: there you are |
| 09:21.30 | dh0 | i just didnt know what to look for |
| 09:21.56 | robin1 | I have Glib installed, yet something won't install because it thinks Glib is not installed ... I am using source from tarballs.. whats the go ? |
| 09:22.21 | Guerin | robin1: don't install from source |
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| 09:22.26 | kyu | did you install glib from source and then try to use apt to install something which depends on it? |
| 09:22.31 | robin1 | Guerin, I have no choice |
| 09:22.34 | Guerin | use debian packages, that's what they're for |
| 09:22.38 | dh0 | Gnea: what do you make of it |
| 09:22.40 | Guerin | bullshit, you always have a choice |
| 09:22.46 | w3rdn4 | !ky |
| 09:22.46 | dpkg | it has been said that ky is Cayman Islands |
| 09:22.53 | Guerin | robin1: why do you THINK you don't have a choice |
| 09:22.54 | Guerin | ? |
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| 09:22.58 | robin1 | Guerin: I'm not interested in package management !! |
| 09:23.01 | w3rdn4 | what is the make-kpkg |
| 09:23.06 | w3rdn4 | !make-kpkg |
| 09:23.07 | Gnea | dh0: there's something missing, i can't remember what... i helped a friend get it setup once but it's been awhile |
| 09:23.07 | dpkg | make-kpkg is probably the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg -i ... |
| 09:23.08 | Guerin | robin1: so why the fuck aren't you using slackware? |
| 09:23.08 | robin1 | now !!! |
| 09:23.22 | kyu | robin, so you want to keep your system upto date by hand? Good luck :) |
| 09:23.30 | MobyTurbo | w3rdn4: /msg the bots |
| 09:23.32 | w3rdn4 | !kc |
| 09:23.33 | kyu | and hehehe Guerin @ slackware |
| 09:23.39 | w3rdn4 | am doing |
| 09:23.44 | robin1 | with help as great as Guerin.. I rather not know the answers.... |
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| 09:23.56 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 09:24.06 | dh0 | Gnea: i did a search. something strange. the proper /dev items appeared in /dev/.static/dev |
| 09:24.11 | Gnea | Guerin: way to go man |
| 09:24.16 | Guerin | robin1: there are ways of building debian packages from source tarballs, and further there are ways of tricking apt into thinking certain things are installed when they're not. |
| 09:24.19 | Guerin | oh well |
| 09:24.31 | Xytek^ | Can anyone help me get my sound working, seriously, I'm extremely new to linux, and I've been searching the web, it says Creative Labs cards, should install easy... alsaconf doesn't detect it.. |
| 09:24.32 | Eulex | how do I make my dmesg ablte |
| 09:24.35 | Gnea | dh0: hrm... |
| 09:24.44 | Gnea | dh0: but are they readable? |
| 09:24.48 | Guerin | why he'd use debian if he's not interested in using debian's package management tools is beyond me ... he might as well be using slackware |
| 09:24.48 | Paavo | Could someone who has apt-listbugs installed try "aptitude install plex86" on a Sarge box? apt-listbugs is acting up for me, and I'd like to find out if the problem is in apt-listbugs or my machine. I'm getting: "Retrieving bug reports... 0% [0/6] W: not in gzip format: bximage" |
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| 09:25.03 | Eulex | how do I make my dmesg able to store more than it currently can? now I can't see the first lines |
| 09:25.12 | dh0 | yeah i cat'd em. got tons of stuff. looks like mpeg data, but cant tell for sure |
| 09:25.15 | Gnea | Guerin: so just tell them what to do |
| 09:25.21 | Gnea | instead of being such a dick about it |
| 09:25.25 | Guerin | Gnea: i was, but he was too impatient. |
| 09:25.44 | Guerin | Gnea: i'll be just as much of a dick as I please. |
| 09:25.49 | Gnea | dh0: try making symlinks to /dev |
| 09:26.05 | kyu | I find the idea of Gnea calling someone a dick more than funny |
| 09:26.09 | kyu | </asshole mode> |
| 09:26.13 | Gnea | Guerin: good, then people will certain shit on you all they like. |
| 09:26.15 | w3rdn4 | what ist he compile kernel mantra? |
| 09:26.16 | xoz | Paavo: not unusual for apt-listbugs to have bugs... try purging it and reinstall. if the problem persists, remove it for a while. |
| 09:26.18 | w3rdn4 | for make-kpkg |
| 09:26.26 | kyu | You lubb it ;) |
| 09:26.39 | Gnea | kyu: there's a limit, one day you will learn it young grasshopper. |
| 09:26.57 | kyu | But then i'd miss out on all the fun i get from our little exchanges |
| 09:27.04 | w3rdn4 | !mantra |
| 09:27.06 | kyu | I'm going for a cig, back in a sec |
| 09:27.12 | kyu | !lol |
| 09:27.12 | dh0 | Gnea: that seems kindof hackish. and also the permisions make /dev/.static root only |
| 09:27.13 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
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| 09:27.22 | Guerin | Gnea: i didn't espy you trying to help him, so I suggest that you have turned up unarmed to this battle of "who's helping and who's not" |
| 09:27.30 | Gnea | dh0: should be alright, just chown root.video to 'em |
| 09:27.36 | Gnea | dh0: and make sure you're in the video group |
| 09:27.47 | Eulex | Gnea, you sound like a remake of star wars with bugs instead of people |
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| 09:27.57 | Gnea | Guerin: i did try. but he left the network before i could hit enter. |
| 09:28.02 | Paavo | xoz: It's just that isn't the Sarge version supposed to be stable? As in, stays the same? Or does it depend on some external database that breaks? The Debian bug tracking database format doesn't change too often, I think? |
| 09:28.08 | Guerin | oh... so exactly the same problem as me, then. |
| 09:28.09 | Gnea | Eulex: hahahaha |
| 09:28.14 | MobyTurbo | Eulex: if you remade the first two or three episodes that way it would be an improvement |
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| 09:28.22 | MobyTurbo | (the prequels) |
| 09:28.24 | Eulex | !tell Xytek^sleepp about away |
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| 09:28.39 | xoz | Paavo: ah. yeah. it must be stable. i thought you are in sid... but try to purge and reinstall to check. |
| 09:29.03 | abyss | lo after a half hour of mplayer running my laptop hangs up, anyone got the same problem? |
| 09:29.14 | Spliffster | I want to set some irq's manually, can anybody give me some pointers where i can read more about it ? |
| 09:29.20 | kyu | abyss, standby? ;) |
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| 09:29.54 | abyss | kyu, no it hangs, the system freeze |
| 09:29.56 | xoz | abyss: sometimes... but it's hard to know what's the problem. |
| 09:30.15 | dh0 | so what is the diference between /dev/fb0 and /dev/video as far as ivtv is copncerned |
| 09:30.23 | w3rdn4 | what is the MANTRA!?!? |
| 09:30.24 | Paavo | xoz: okay, purge and reinstall on apt-listbugs helped. |
| 09:30.31 | w3rdn4 | dpkg Mantra!!! |
| 09:31.00 | MobyTurbo | !sunday |
| 09:31.00 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 09:31.03 | kyu | w3rdn4, calm down... |
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| 09:31.14 | xoz | !depends apt-listbugs |
| 09:31.16 | dpkg | apt-listbugs: depends on ruby (>= 1.8), libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.1), libdpkg-ruby1.8, apt, libzlib-ruby1.8, libintl-gettext-ruby1.8, libxml-parser-ruby1.8 |
| 09:31.17 | kyu | Go and beat on your sister or daughter or something |
| 09:31.24 | abyss | kyu, if its the standby try, where i can disable this? |
| 09:31.35 | kyu | abyss, no idea, it was just a guess |
| 09:31.50 | kyu | and woot @ ruby :) |
| 09:31.51 | xoz | Paavo: possible that the database was corrupted. |
| 09:31.51 | Eulex | abyss, check xscreensaver settings? |
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| 09:32.11 | w3rdn4 | kyu, I do not need any of your wisdom or advise because it lacks any moral grounds on which I would lay my foot upon. |
| 09:32.31 | kyu | ... okay. |
| 09:32.36 | xoz | w3rdn4: /ignore |
| 09:32.53 | abyss | Eulex, thx, it was turn to a half hour ^^ |
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| 09:33.06 | PerfDave | "on which I would lay my foot upon" ;p |
| 09:33.11 | Paavo | xoz: possible. I'm not very impressed with the stability of apt-listbugs... |
| 09:33.19 | Eulex | abyss, ok |
| 09:33.24 | xoz | Paavo: me too.. especially in sid |
| 09:33.32 | Paavo | It _is_ a useful tool, but it would be nice if it didn't break so often. |
| 09:33.35 | kyu | w3rdn4, do i get an explation or just that random outburst? |
| 09:33.36 | MobyTurbo | PerfDave: waxing pretty elegant for a 'tard |
| 09:33.42 | honschu | What is serio, and why is it only useing ttyS1? ttyS0 can be used as mouseport, but not ttyS1. |
| 09:33.44 | kyu | explanation, even |
| 09:33.53 | Gnea | Paavo: sid? |
| 09:34.08 | xoz | Paavo: irony because it is programmed to track bugs... but it is a bit buggy. |
| 09:34.08 | Paavo | Gnea: nope, I'm running Sarge. |
| 09:34.09 | w3rdn4 | kyu, I am against the advise of beating a sister, daughter, or something in gernal. |
| 09:34.20 | kyu | w3rdn4, aaaah, i was kidding :) |
| 09:34.28 | MobyTurbo | w3rdn4: you obviously are not against the use of crack. |
| 09:34.30 | honschu | w3rdn4: punshing-ball? |
| 09:34.38 | Paavo | Gnea: though my experiences with breakage are mostly from Sid. This is the first time apt-listbugs broke on Sarge. |
| 09:34.46 | dh0 | Gnea: what is /dev/.static anyway. and why would it appear there? |
| 09:34.48 | honschu | What is serio, and why is it only useing ttyS1? ttyS0 can be used as mouseport, but not ttyS1. |
| 09:34.57 | Gnea | Paavo: wow.. |
| 09:35.06 | Gnea | dh0: i honestly don't know |
| 09:35.14 | Eulex | !tell honschu about repeat |
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| 09:35.44 | Gnea | xoz: why? i love it.. |
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| 09:36.31 | xoz | Gnea: hmm. based on experience. i better use a browser to track bugs |
| 09:36.48 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.15 | Gnea | xoz: i like the idea that i can see specifically which bugs are being affected at installation-time, especially when working on a lot of systems at once |
| 09:37.15 | Paavo | Of course it _could_ be that there was a temporary glitch in the BTS that caused apt-listbugs to download corrupted data, but still... |
| 09:37.37 | Gnea | xoz: it was very useful with zlib especially |
| 09:37.53 | xoz | Gnea: on the premise that it doesn't break during retrieval of info which happened to me many times. |
| 09:37.54 | Gnea | Paavo: i have NEVER seen apt-listbugs crap out like that |
| 09:38.08 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 09:38.19 | Gnea | xoz: sec |
| 09:38.29 | Paavo | Gnea: you've been lucky then. |
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| 09:38.37 | xoz | Gnea: lucky you |
| 09:38.45 | Gnea | i guess so |
| 09:38.48 | xintruder | good afternoon |
| 09:38.52 | Gnea | but i've seen things break too so |
| 09:38.52 | Spliffster | would i need to search for help with irq problems with the module owners or is there a "generic" way to set irq's for pci devices with kernel 2.6.x ? |
| 09:40.00 | Gnea | xoz: ok, give me an example where it would download the data like that |
| 09:40.03 | w3rdn4 | !make-kpkg mantra |
| 09:40.11 | honschu | What is serio? |
| 09:40.13 | w3rdn4 | !kpkg mantra |
| 09:40.25 | Gnea | honschu: serio =~ serial |
| 09:40.39 | Gnea | honschu: SERIAL - IAL + I/O |
| 09:40.45 | Gnea | - / |
| 09:40.47 | Gnea | :) |
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| 09:41.03 | Guerin | Paavo: fwiw my sarge+security box ran that apt-listbugs normally |
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| 09:41.29 | honschu | Gnea: but it's not a kernelmodule and it's not used by ttyS0, only by ttyS1 |
| 09:41.31 | xoz | Gnea: it happens frm time to time during upgrade... i jst removed it to get on with upgrade. otherwise, the upgrade won't continue because it is stuck to the apt-listbugs process. |
| 09:41.36 | Paavo | Guerin: could have been a transient problem in the BTS. |
| 09:41.50 | Gnea | honschu: then it's built into the kernel |
| 09:41.58 | Guerin | Paavo: could be. I too find that apt-listbugs is a bit flakey |
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| 09:42.23 | Gnea | xoz: are you positive the data being downloaded is corrupt from the other end? it wouldn't be bad ram? |
| 09:42.39 | Eulex | w3rdn4, dpkg doesn't seem to know about "mantra", and please /msg the bot instead |
| 09:42.59 | w3rdn4 | Eulex, there is a mantra |
| 09:43.03 | w3rdn4 | I know it or I am just going insane |
| 09:43.10 | kyu | w3rdn4, where did this mantra stuff come from? |
| 09:43.17 | liable | w3rdn4: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 09:43.19 | xoz | Gnea: nope. the thing is all the files for upgrade are downloaded but when apt-listbugs tries to search for the bug info, it is stuck and won't continue... |
| 09:43.20 | Guerin | w3rdn4: kp mantra |
| 09:43.27 | w3rdn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.30 | w3rdn4 | ohhh shizz |
| 09:43.38 | w3rdn4 | thank you everyone |
| 09:43.52 | xoz | Gnea: maybe, network problem. just not within my patience range to wait. |
| 09:44.14 | Gnea | xoz: ok |
| 09:44.22 | w3rdn4 | what do I need to get make-kpkg? |
| 09:44.25 | xoz | Gnea: info should be not that large compared to the upgrades... but it takes so long compared to upgrades |
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| 09:45.11 | liable | w3rdn4: strangely 'kernel-package' |
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| 09:46.17 | xintruder | guys ijust installed debian from the cd, im at command prompt, what do i need to install other than gnome and kde ? |
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| 09:46.32 | zzz | Hi! Is there any disk quota like cpuquota which can limit (for example) the maximal usage of a disk/ seconds ?? |
| 09:46.35 | Guerin | xintruder: as root: tasksel |
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| 09:46.37 | xoz | xintruder: aptitude and choose |
| 09:46.41 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:46.45 | Guerin | i didn't read |
| 09:46.47 | Paavo | By the way, is there any way to search for a package that provides a given command? |
| 09:46.53 | pax | would anyone run (last -d) and tell me if they see an IP they dont recognise as logged in? |
| 09:47.23 | Paavo | The command names don't always match package names and plain 'apt-cache search cmdname' gives many false positives. |
| 09:47.34 | Guerin | pax: no, i haven't been rooted today. |
| 09:47.35 | xintruder | whats tasksel,aptitude? |
| 09:47.39 | Guerin | or at least, nttbomk |
| 09:47.52 | xoz | xintruder: try it and you'll kow |
| 09:47.55 | xoz | *know |
| 09:48.10 | Guerin | xintruder: tasksel allows you to select common tasks, like 'desktop' 'workstation' 'webserver' etc. - aptitude allows specific package selection via menus |
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| 09:48.29 | xoz | Paavo: pipe to less |
| 09:48.30 | Guerin | Paavo: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:48.32 | xintruder | ok, i couldnt open the file to configure dns setting, can u give me its name again plz ?> |
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| 09:48.36 | pax | Guerin: in this case many people (proly thousands) were rooted by the same person. In short, a bug. |
| 09:48.43 | Guerin | pax: in what? |
| 09:48.51 | pax | Guerin: just what I said. |
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| 09:49.21 | pax | last -d and pay attention to what's in there. |
| 09:49.24 | yaccobb | hi. I want to add some paths to $PATH, so I have created "script" that do so and put it to /etc/profile.d. Nothing happend. So i tryied run that script. nothing. I added "echo $PATH" there. I run script, echoed PATH is extended as I wished. When script ends I write echo $PATH and returned path is unchanged, like the script hasn't ran at all. any ideas where am I wrong ? |
| 09:49.48 | Guerin | pax: a bug in what service, I mean? |
| 09:49.55 | Guerin | openssh? apache? mutt? |
| 09:50.00 | Guerin | ping? |
| 09:50.07 | migma | hey guys, I'm having problem with my sound, it seems to work fine with totem but other applications cannot access /dev/dsp unless re-run alsaconf... any ideas regarding this? |
| 09:50.10 | ThePiratemaster | PONG!!!!! |
| 09:50.21 | Paavo | Guerin: Cool, thanks. I didn't know about apt-file. |
| 09:50.44 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: omglol |
| 09:50.46 | pax | Guerin: what the hell do I know, I spent an hour trying to figure out what was that about, only to confirm with many other people the same thing. |
| 09:50.55 | Guerin | pax: heh. |
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| 09:51.12 | ThePiratemaster | :P |
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| 09:51.25 | ThePiratemaster | anyone ever installed sspe? |
| 09:51.44 | james__ | Im installing a GUI by hand, the first thing i need to intall is a package called somthing like xwindows-core or somesuch, what is it called exactly? |
| 09:51.51 | raf256 | !1337 ThePiratemaster |
| 09:51.53 | Guerin | !sspe |
| 09:51.57 | Eulex | ThePiratemaster, probably. what's your question/problem? |
| 09:52.04 | ThePiratemaster | (the menubased security/firewall tool that comes withuot doc?) |
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| 09:52.23 | ThePiratemaster | i have no clue on how to install it O_O |
| 09:52.29 | ThePiratemaster | i read install |
| 09:52.32 | ThePiratemaster | i googled |
| 09:52.36 | ThePiratemaster | i tried |
| 09:52.42 | yaccobb | *yac is confused with no answer |
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| 09:53.07 | james__ | nevermind, found it |
| 09:53.18 | Eulex | ThePiratemaster, you tried to compile from source |
| 09:53.28 | Eulex | ? |
| 09:53.37 | ThePiratemaster | yea |
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| 09:53.43 | ThePiratemaster | also |
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| 09:54.01 | Eulex | ThePiratemaster, there's no binary package? |
| 09:54.05 | ThePiratemaster | i looked for a debian apt source |
| 09:54.15 | ThePiratemaster | couldny find any |
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| 09:54.33 | raf256 | ThePiratemaster: what was the problem while compiling? |
| 09:54.35 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: don't use it, then. There are plenty of easy-to-use firewall packages in debain |
| 09:54.38 | ThePiratemaster | it didnt |
| 09:54.41 | Guerin | firehol is one, shorewall is another |
| 09:54.43 | ThePiratemaster | ./configure |
| 09:55.02 | raf256 | what actually is better onshorewall then iptables? |
| 09:55.03 | Eulex | ThePiratemaster, and what error did it spit out? |
| 09:55.03 | ThePiratemaster | did nothing |
| 09:55.12 | ThePiratemaster | let me check agian |
| 09:55.17 | Guerin | ffs |
| 09:55.19 | ThePiratemaster | not found or something |
| 09:55.19 | Guerin | don't bother |
| 09:55.29 | Gnea | raf256: heh, firehol and shorewall use iptables |
| 09:55.32 | resiak | raf256: It's a frontend? |
| 09:55.35 | Guerin | raf256: shorewall is just a frontend to iptables. |
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| 09:55.44 | Guerin | as is firehol, ipmasq, etc. |
| 09:55.52 | raf256 | yes I know, therefore I wonder why use them, iptables arent that uncomfortables imhop |
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| 09:55.57 | raf256 | *imho |
| 09:56.05 | resiak | raf256: YHO is wrong ;) |
| 09:56.06 | Gnea | but that's your imho |
| 09:56.10 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 09:56.13 | ThePiratemaster | no suck file or directory |
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| 09:56.19 | ThePiratemaster | *such |
| 09:56.28 | Guerin | i haven't found a situation for which I need more than ipmasq :) |
| 09:56.32 | Gnea | raf256: that's like asking why sell snowblowers in the north and more ac units in the south :P |
| 09:56.42 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: you're too stupid to build software from source. |
| 09:56.47 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: use firehol |
| 09:57.00 | raf256 | ThePiratemaster: meet Guerin - he is the most polite user here |
| 09:57.05 | Guerin | :) |
| 09:57.07 | ThePiratemaster | ./ gives you the finger |
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| 09:57.14 | Gnea | bwahaha |
| 09:57.18 | raf256 | heh |
| 09:57.19 | Guerin | too stupid to use an irc client too, apparently. |
| 09:57.21 | Gnea | oh man |
| 09:57.24 | Gnea | that's 2 |
| 09:57.30 | Gnea | Guerin: yer on a roll tonite |
| 09:57.33 | Guerin | !customer |
| 09:57.33 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 09:57.38 | Spliffster | I am running Sarge 2.6.11 and want to reconfigure some devices to use other irqs. where can i find information ? |
| 09:57.48 | Gnea | wow, talk about bad for business |
| 09:57.54 | Guerin | Spliffster: sarge doesn't have 2.6.11 |
| 09:58.07 | raf256 | testing have |
| 09:58.08 | Guerin | Spliffster: what are you running, really. |
| 09:58.11 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:58.12 | Spliffster | Guerin: using a custom kernel |
| 09:58.15 | Guerin | testing is not sarge |
| 09:58.16 | james__ | what video driver should i select for an intell integrated laptop card? vga? |
| 09:58.25 | raf256 | Guerin: no shit |
| 09:58.42 | Spliffster | Sarge with a custom 2.6.11 from kernel.org |
| 09:58.51 | Gnea | james__: probably i810 |
| 09:59.01 | james__ | gena: thanks |
| 09:59.05 | james__ | oops |
| 09:59.11 | Gnea | np |
| 09:59.58 | Spliffster | does it matter if i am running 2.6.11 or 2.6.8 if i want to reconfigure some devices irq's ? |
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| 10:00.53 | Eulex | Spliffster, afaik such things are done by adjusting "pins" or whatever it's named on the card |
| 10:00.58 | Guerin | Spliffster: it might; i'm not sure of the differences between 2.6.11 vanilla and 2.6.8-2 debian |
| 10:01.24 | Gnea | Spliffster: pci=routeirq or something |
| 10:01.29 | Guerin | Spliffster: but the best way to do it is either in bios or by moving cards around to different slots, if possible - changing it in software is cagey |
| 10:01.44 | Gnea | Spliffster: or swap some cards into different pci slots |
| 10:01.55 | Guerin | Spliffster: what sort of thing are you trying to solve? |
| 10:01.57 | Spliffster | Guerin: this is a laptop, the bios does not offer options to set irqs |
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| 10:02.13 | Guerin | Spliffster: oh, joy. |
| 10:02.18 | Spliffster | the internal tingon3 nic and the ipw2200 driver both use the same irq |
| 10:02.28 | Spliffster | Guerin: u name it |
| 10:02.31 | Guerin | oh, that's dirty. |
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| 10:03.03 | Guerin | there's some sort of userspace irq fucker-wither called irq-tuner or something like that |
| 10:03.11 | Gnea | Spliffster: should work fine if levelled |
| 10:03.14 | Guerin | as i recall seeing it on teh intarwebs a while back |
| 10:03.17 | Spliffster | i do not know if i can set the irqs by passing parameters to the kernel modules, i am not really into linux |
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| 10:03.34 | Gnea | Spliffster: 177: 5853671 IO-APIC-level NVidia nForce2, ehci_hcd, eth1 |
| 10:03.37 | raf256 | Spliffster: whats the problem with thoes cards using same irq? |
| 10:03.40 | Gnea | Spliffster: and yes, they all work just fine. |
| 10:04.38 | Spliffster | raf256: the problem is, that they also share irq with usb and touchpad/keyboard ... which sometimes makes the input devices unresponsive |
| 10:04.46 | Gnea | Spliffster: are you using lilo or grub as a bootmanager? |
| 10:04.51 | Spliffster | brub |
| 10:04.56 | Gnea | ok |
| 10:05.00 | Spliffster | s/brub/grub/ |
| 10:05.14 | Spliffster | heh |
| 10:05.14 | Gnea | edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and add the pci=routeirq option to the kernel line and reboot |
| 10:05.27 | Gnea | see if that helps |
| 10:05.32 | Spliffster | Gnea: thanx for the hin, will try. |
| 10:05.46 | Gnea | np, they added that in 2.6.10 |
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| 10:05.57 | raf256 | !beer Them |
| 10:05.59 | Spliffster | i see |
| 10:06.14 | yaccobb | I asked few people about that problem on #flood and anyone didn't know... please take a look at least;] |
| 10:06.21 | Gnea | http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.9-rc4/2.6.9-rc4-mm1/broken-out/remove-unconditional-pci-acpi-irq-routing.patch <-- explains it |
| 10:06.44 | Gnea | yaccobb: what problem? no time for #flood |
| 10:06.46 | Eulex | yaccobb, people who weren't in #flood when you posted it haven't seen it |
| 10:06.53 | raf256 | any chances for 2.6.12 in testing soon? |
| 10:06.53 | Gnea | !tell yaccobb about paste |
| 10:06.58 | Guerin | i don't do #flood anyway |
| 10:07.04 | Gnea | raf256: when it's released? |
| 10:07.16 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 10:07.17 | raf256 | !when |
| 10:07.17 | dpkg | Now! |
| 10:07.27 | yaccobb | well i asked here and there was no answer so i thought zou didn't understand my english so i flooded... |
| 10:07.28 | Gnea | !where |
| 10:07.28 | dpkg | the INETRNET DAMNIT try freshmeat.net, linuxapps.com and tucows.com and then winge at /dev/null |
| 10:07.29 | Eulex | raf256, well, it has to go through unstable first |
| 10:07.37 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 10:07.41 | Guerin | tucows |
| 10:07.42 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:07.51 | raf256 | !moo |
| 10:07.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 10:07.52 | Gnea | two-headed cow |
| 10:07.57 | Guerin | i've been running 2.6.12-rc6 for ages without issue |
| 10:08.04 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.04 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.04 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.04 | Gnea | moomoooooer! |
| 10:08.08 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:08.11 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.11 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.12 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.13 | Gnea | oooooooooooooooooooooooookay |
| 10:08.17 | raf256 | ...."Have you mooed today?".. $ apt-get moo |
| 10:08.20 | raf256 | (yes, it is old ;) |
| 10:08.22 | Guerin | raf256: you are BEGGING for a kick/ban |
| 10:08.29 | raf256 | Guerin: omg, j/k |
| 10:08.30 | Gnea | raf256: hope your ass has insurance |
| 10:08.38 | kyu | Is .12 released yer or still in rc? |
| 10:08.47 | Gnea | kernel.org |
| 10:08.48 | Gnea | find out |
| 10:08.48 | Guerin | kyu: release a couple weeks ago |
| 10:08.51 | resiak | Guerin: Why have you been running it? Any particular reason? |
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| 10:08.55 | kyu | ffs so lazy |
| 10:08.56 | kyu | heh |
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| 10:09.02 | kyu | means reaching all the way over to my mouse |
| 10:09.13 | jim | if the cow has insurance, the ass certainly would... |
| 10:09.33 | Guerin | resiak: no reason really, there was a local root or something in my custom 2.6.9 which I've been running for ages, so I built another, and chose a rc for s&g |
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| 10:09.36 | Gnea | yaccobb: if you won't follow directions then you will remain sad. |
| 10:09.43 | raf256 | this is nice, |
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| 10:09.58 | Guerin | resiak: i run a custom on my old laptop because boot time is an issue. |
| 10:09.59 | raf256 | kernel's driver fo NForcer3 audio is actually _Better_ (with alsa) then nvidia.com one |
| 10:10.07 | resiak | Guerin: I see. |
| 10:10.19 | resiak | Guerin: You build everything in? |
| 10:10.21 | raf256 | can I somehow access the EAX though? |
| 10:10.29 | Guerin | resiak: not everything, but most of it, yeah. |
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| 10:11.35 | resiak | Guerin: I see. |
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| 10:16.13 | yaccobb | Gnea, following directions ? dpkg says me to ask only once. I asked question respecting smart questions FAQ and there was no answer. According to dpkg that means anzone don't know answer so I am sad. Or have I missed something ? |
| 10:16.32 | visik7 | anyone running debian on an alphaserver 800 ? |
| 10:16.37 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 10:16.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:16.39 | tarzeau | visik7: probably |
| 10:16.47 | tarzeau | visik7: i run it on a 1000A 5/400 |
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| 10:17.36 | echnaton | hi! i added "1280x1024" to my XFREE* under 24 Bit! but when i start gdm he starts in 640x480! why= |
| 10:17.36 | echnaton | ? |
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| 10:18.13 | raf256 | echnaton: isnt there a "default" setting? |
| 10:18.14 | amorph | my monitor has started flickering, does it mean it's gonna die |
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| 10:18.27 | yaccobb | echnaton, you must select as default, son't you ? |
| 10:18.30 | tarzeau | echnaton: what videocard, how much memory? |
| 10:18.31 | raf256 | amorph: no, it means it is beeing abducted by aliens |
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| 10:18.35 | echnaton | i did yaccobb |
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| 10:18.41 | echnaton | nv 128DDR |
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| 10:19.00 | Eulex | echnaton, what driver? |
| 10:19.03 | amorph | is there a Jabber client for Linux that supports video/webcam? |
| 10:19.03 | raf256 | amorph: probably yes, but ask on some hardware channel perhaps |
| 10:19.14 | echnaton | NV |
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| 10:19.52 | Eulex | echnaton, is your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 correct? |
| 10:20.13 | echnaton | hm wait Eulex |
| 10:20.21 | amorph | i wanna setup MythTV on a P3-600 |
| 10:20.32 | Guerin | amorph: pretty slow |
| 10:20.33 | liable | go on then. |
| 10:20.35 | amorph | :-/ |
| 10:20.47 | Guerin | amorph: you want a bit more cpu muscle to be encoding video |
| 10:20.52 | amorph | ive got a tv card but its not too hot |
| 10:20.53 | mediafly | When I use jack to rip an audio cd, it creates ogg files. How do I have to modify the .jackrc config file to get mp3? |
| 10:20.56 | Guerin | like, say, double that |
| 10:21.00 | amorph | damn |
| 10:21.02 | simonrvn | this mobo doesn't go any higher than 500, so i have a p3 667 running at 500 =) |
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| 10:21.24 | Guerin | amorph: depends on your needs, though. Noe everyone needs to go fast. |
| 10:21.25 | amorph | maybe i can get a video capture card with processor on it |
| 10:21.35 | evilbadman | simonrvn: look at the good side, at least it should stay cool ;) |
| 10:21.39 | Guerin | amorph: cheaper to just get a new mobo and cpu |
| 10:21.43 | simonrvn | oh for sure :) |
| 10:21.45 | amorph | ah |
| 10:21.53 | visik7 | tarzeau sarge install panic on the scsi controller |
| 10:21.57 | simonrvn | enforced cpu scaling ;P |
| 10:21.58 | amorph | im sick of adverts on tv |
| 10:21.59 | visik7 | any clue ? |
| 10:21.59 | Guerin | probably get a secondhand athlon for a hundy or less |
| 10:22.04 | tarzeau | visik7: tried #alpha ? |
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| 10:22.25 | simonrvn | or even 1 MHz |
| 10:22.28 | tarzeau | evilbadman: like a 5 year old P4 runs at 1 Ghz |
| 10:22.35 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i'm sure he meant ghz |
| 10:22.43 | evilbadman | No, I meant Hz. |
| 10:22.48 | visik7 | tarzeau no |
| 10:22.57 | simonrvn | be funny though, seeing something like that run at 1 Hz =) |
| 10:23.04 | evilbadman | Maybe even 50Hz (use ac mains as a clock source :D) |
| 10:23.08 | echnaton | Eulex, http://eren-elci.net/pub/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:23.12 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 10:23.22 | evilbadman | I've certainly run smaller processors that slow, just not a p4 |
| 10:23.29 | tarzeau | evilbadman: like which? |
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| 10:23.37 | Eulex | echnaton, german, eh? |
| 10:23.53 | yaccobb | how can I take screenshot of movie ? usin import has same effect as sreenshoting ActiveX canavas in Windows... |
| 10:23.54 | echnaton | yes Eulex u2? |
| 10:23.56 | MobyTurbo | evilbadman: early 8 bit processors operated at 1-2MHz. |
| 10:24.03 | chealer | Paavo: I'm running sarge's KDE |
| 10:24.05 | Guerin | hrm, is it normal for there to be lots of files without md5sums - debsums is spitting out a bunch of them |
| 10:24.15 | Eulex | echnaton, nope, but that config looks ok to me, but I don |
| 10:24.23 | Eulex | 't know much about the nv driver |
| 10:24.30 | echnaton | hm okay thank you |
| 10:24.41 | Paavo | chealer: and the K menu doesn't open when you press the windows key? is your windows key then properly mapped? |
| 10:24.42 | amorph | is it possible to remotely print something via CUPS from a Windows client? |
| 10:24.57 | evilbadman | tarzeau: Zilog Z80. Runs happily, but obviously doesn't get much done |
| 10:25.09 | chealer | Paavo: no. I guess so :? |
| 10:25.12 | MobyTurbo | evilbadman: Z80s didn't run sub-1MHz. |
| 10:25.15 | tarzeau | chealer: wiht the "Plastik" theme? |
| 10:25.27 | amorph | could CUPS be used as an internet fax machine? |
| 10:25.48 | MobyTurbo | evilbadman: in fact, Z-80s did the first clock-cycle race in the market, going as fast as 10MHz or so at one point. |
| 10:26.05 | Eulex | echnaton, though I learn german at school, so I understand a bit of german |
| 10:26.06 | chealer | tarzeau: not sure, I never touched that |
| 10:26.13 | echnaton | thats good Eulex |
| 10:26.16 | tarzeau | 12:24 < chealer> Paavo: I'm running sarge's KDE |
| 10:26.18 | echnaton | have to restart x sorry |
| 10:26.27 | tarzeau | chealer: i find the default them so nightmarish ugly |
| 10:26.35 | evilbadman | MobyTurbo: The clock on a Z80 can be stopped completely, without losing its data, so you can run it as slow as you like. They use static registers, unlike modern processors which tend to use dynamic registers that need to be refreshed |
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| 10:26.50 | Paavo | chealer: and you just selected KDE on kpersonalizer and that was it? |
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| 10:26.54 | chealer | tarzeau: if plastik is 3.3's default, I'm indeed using it |
| 10:27.04 | tarzeau | chealer: i don't think it is. |
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| 10:27.18 | Paavo | chealer: if you select windows style, will that turn on the nasty windows key behaviour? |
| 10:27.20 | chealer | Paavo: I didn't really, I kept the default choice |
| 10:27.23 | amorph | does anyone wanna buy a HP Omnibook |
| 10:27.40 | MobyTurbo | evilbadman: I don't think single-step debugging or the like counts as the normal clock speed of a Z-80. |
| 10:27.51 | Paavo | chealer: could be that your windows key is simply mapped to be alt or something |
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| 10:27.57 | chealer | when I switched from windows I did something in CLI to enable the windows key. shame on me |
| 10:28.21 | Teufel | I'm just trying to change the background image in fluxbox, I have read the docs and when I do a: fbsetbg -f [ path to picture ] I get this error: Error: cannont open display |
| 10:28.24 | Teufel | what am I doing wrong? |
| 10:28.30 | Paavo | chealer: what does xev say when you press the windows key? |
| 10:28.33 | tarzeau | Teufel: you want xsetbg |
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| 10:28.49 | chealer | Paavo: I don't think so. I don't remember messing with keyboard maps except when I switched from windows and found something explaining how to get the windows key to work |
| 10:28.52 | Teufel | tarzeau same syntax? what is the difference? |
| 10:28.53 | tarzeau | Teufel: oh damn your fbsetbg means fluxbox set background? |
| 10:28.57 | chealer | under mandrake :) |
| 10:29.01 | tarzeau | !fb |
| 10:29.01 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text) |
| 10:29.07 | tarzeau | dpkg fb is also fluxbox |
| 10:29.07 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 10:29.14 | Eulex | tarzeau, he doesn't, fbsetbg is a wrapper for background changers that interact well with fluxbox |
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| 10:29.40 | Eulex | Teufel, do you run fbsetbg in a console or a term? |
| 10:29.52 | puks | hello, java-package seems not to work anymore on my system, it complains about no matching plugin found and exits.. |
| 10:29.54 | evilbadman | MobyTurbo: It's the speed of the (hardware) clock signal going to the processor. |
| 10:29.55 | Paavo | chealer: could you try xev to see what the key produces? |
| 10:29.55 | simonrvn | mine are mapped to Super_* (L and R) |
| 10:30.04 | evilbadman | A lot of the older educational single board computers with Z80 had a VCO that could be adjusted from dc to whatever with a pot on the front panel while the machine was running, in fact. |
| 10:30.18 | Teufel | eulex: excuse my n00bness, but what is the difference? I was doing ssh... |
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| 10:30.35 | Eulex | Teufel, then you need to use X ssh |
| 10:30.45 | Teufel | Eulex: ? |
| 10:30.52 | MobyTurbo | evilbadman: I don't think anyone made a Z-80 go at 50Hz, one of your claims, as it would be both useless for single stepping or tracing, and obviously not for a normal clock speed. |
| 10:31.05 | Eulex | Teufel, a console is what you get by pressing CTRL-ALT-F1, a terminal emulator is for example xterm |
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| 10:31.23 | Eulex | Teufel, if you do normal ssh, that's identical to running it in the console |
| 10:31.33 | Eulex | Teufel, which won't work |
| 10:31.40 | Teufel | eulex: ah, I just typed it using kde's konsole in fluxbox and it worked... |
| 10:31.53 | chealer | Paavo: KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x2600001, root 0xd0, subw 0x0, time 24101948, (-532,32), root:(566,584), state 0x10, keycode 115 (keysym 0xffeb, Super_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: "" |
| 10:31.55 | simonrvn | console is also a terminal emulator. it emualtes VT100 or 220, or whatever else (default is VT100 i think) |
| 10:32.01 | modnar | could someone please help install my custom kernel? I have the sources but it errors on make-kpkg *** kernel_image |
| 10:32.01 | simonrvn | emulates* |
| 10:32.06 | Eulex | Teufel, yeah, then it will work |
| 10:32.10 | chealer | Paavo: and another thing when I release it |
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| 10:32.19 | simonrvn | chealer: Super_L |
| 10:32.29 | Eulex | simonrvn, ok, what term should I use to distinguish them then? |
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| 10:32.42 | evilbadman | MobyTurbo: there's one such project here: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2072/z80proj1.htm |
| 10:32.43 | chealer | simonrvn: what? |
| 10:32.43 | Teufel | eulex: I guess I don't understand, so other prompts are more powerful ? I thought normal ssh from another computer had the same power as typing the command directally into the comp |
| 10:32.56 | simonrvn | chealer: "(keysym 0xffeb, Super_L)" |
| 10:33.18 | evilbadman | MobyTurbo: I never said it was useful, only that it is possible |
| 10:33.27 | Eulex | Teufel, yes, it has the same effect as doing CTRL-ALT-F(1-6) and typing a command |
| 10:33.37 | Eulex | Teufel, and you must run fbsetbg within X |
| 10:33.40 | chealer | simonrvn: oh, what's Super_L (unless I RTFM :) )? |
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| 10:33.59 | modnar | It gives me the error No rule to make target 'init/main.o' right after entering the headers directory |
| 10:34.08 | Teufel | Eulex: ah ok... I see... so did you say there was a way to ssh into x? |
| 10:34.09 | simonrvn | chealer: like Hyper_* or Meta_*, it;'s just another modifier key |
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| 10:34.14 | simonrvn | it's* |
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| 10:34.36 | bartden | hi, i keep getting "sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file" when i try to run a root program with sudo , what does this mean ? |
| 10:34.39 | evilbadman | and there are plenty of other microprocessors out there that are fully static |
| 10:34.40 | Paavo | For some reason I don't get any KeyPress events for the windows keys. |
| 10:34.46 | Eulex | Teufel, yes, it's called something like X ssh or so, I've never set it up so I dunno how to do it |
| 10:34.58 | rick50 | hi. has anyone found "free" drivers for a Canon i960 printer that work? |
| 10:35.05 | Teufel | Eulex: ah ok I'll google around for it, thanks for the clarity |
| 10:35.05 | simonrvn | !sshx |
| 10:35.05 | dpkg | somebody said sshx was Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 10:35.37 | Paavo | Just FocusOut's, KeymapNotify's and such. |
| 10:36.39 | Teufel | One more thing for now: In fluxbox, how can I make it save where the little toolbar is set to when I log off? I don't see a "remember me" option when I right click or anything... it's just annoying to reset position every time |
| 10:36.43 | Eulex | simonrvn, are there any good terms to distinguish between a console reached by typing CTRL-ALT-F(1-6) and something like xterm? |
| 10:36.43 | simonrvn | bartden: getent passwd 1000 - does it spit out anything? |
| 10:37.46 | simonrvn | Eulex: they're same, except xterm has access to DISPLAY and such (console you can fake out some x apps too by setting DISPLAY ;) |
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| 10:37.59 | chealer | rick50: since it's not on linuxprinting.org, the most likely answer is no |
| 10:38.25 | chealer | rick50: worst, a Canon, and a Canon i* |
| 10:38.27 | Paavo | Eulex: "Linux text console" and "X terminal emulator" are probably the most precise terms. |
| 10:38.33 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 10:39.24 | simonrvn | linux framebuffer console also lets you see images like .pngs with the right tools |
| 10:39.38 | visik7 | even a movie |
| 10:39.39 | visik7 | :) |
| 10:39.51 | simonrvn | :) |
| 10:40.01 | rick50 | chealer: ugh, thanks. there were some drivers on a japanese canon site but i couldn't figure out what i needed nor how to install |
| 10:40.02 | Eulex | Paavo & simonrvn ok |
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| 10:41.45 | visik7 | problem: I've 2 programs coming from 2 differents repository one need libcurl2 the other libcurl2-ssl but this 2 package conflict each other |
| 10:42.02 | mediafly | how can I figure out which package the program lame is coming from? |
| 10:42.21 | mediafly | lame seams to be a virtual package |
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| 10:42.31 | Frederick | how do I send memos? sorry Im 48 hours working here cant remmemberthis time I will take note |
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| 10:43.14 | Eulex | visik7, that's bad luck and you can't do much about it |
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| 10:43.20 | Paavo | If I kill kicker I see the proper key events, but if kicker is running it eats them. |
| 10:43.47 | visik7 | :( |
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| 10:44.22 | Paavo | Hmm, after restarting kicker it didn't steal the windows key anymore. Trying to logout and login... |
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| 10:44.47 | Eulex | visik7, except if both programs exist in one of the repos, you could override the version of one of them to get both from one repo |
| 10:45.26 | rick50 | barten: you're not listed in the sudoers file? try using root's password when logging with sudo |
| 10:46.40 | chealer | !tell mediafly about lame |
| 10:46.55 | PerfDave | visik7: Why are you using multiple conflicting repositories? |
| 10:47.18 | mediafly | chealer, aptitude install lame doesn't work |
| 10:47.28 | bartden | rick50 , i am listed in sudo file, and it works when i try it with this certain user, but i'm running it from an php script on apache, and apache is runned by the same user |
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| 10:47.49 | Paavo | Okay, great. Now it works properly after I selected "Hyper is mapped to the Win-keys" in the KDE keyboard configuration. |
| 10:48.15 | chealer | mediafly: that's because you don't have lame sources |
| 10:48.37 | rick50 | barten: someone else needs to jump in here |
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| 10:49.39 | visik7 | PerfDave 'couse there are some packages in one that there aren't in the other one |
| 10:49.45 | mediafly | chealer, are there any other mp3 encoder which are available as debian packages? |
| 10:50.02 | chealer | Paavo: oh, that place...indeed :) |
| 10:50.28 | chealer | mediafly: no. debian respects US legislation |
| 10:50.47 | PerfDave | visik7: Such as? |
| 10:51.04 | chealer | mediafly: oops. I read "in debian". |
| 10:51.04 | PerfDave | visik7: What are the repositories you're trying to mix? |
| 10:51.11 | mediafly | chealer, thank you. |
| 10:51.11 | [timmeh] | is there a site i can view that displays adding system users through ssh in detail? |
| 10:51.16 | visik7 | PerfDave freepops and clamav |
| 10:51.23 | chealer | mediafly: lame is available as a debian package (check what dpkg told you to get it) |
| 10:51.27 | Paavo | chealer: but that doesn't change the fact that the KDE panel behaviour is idiotic in 3.3. |
| 10:51.42 | PerfDave | mediafly: MP3 encoders are in Marillat's repositories as Debian packages, for places not affected by Fraunhofer's patent. Just use Ogg Vorbis already ;) |
| 10:51.57 | PerfDave | visik7: ClamAV is packaged for Debian... |
| 10:52.13 | visik7 | PerfDave not updated for woody |
| 10:52.35 | PerfDave | visik7: So upgrade to Sarge already, it's stable now ;) |
| 10:52.59 | mediafly | PerfDave, thx |
| 10:52.59 | visik7 | I dunno what happend with a main update to sarge |
| 10:53.33 | visik7 | I prefer stay with woody for now |
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| 10:54.16 | PerfDave | visik7: Did you read the Sarge release notes on upgrading from Woody to Sarge? |
| 10:54.54 | mike-m | Where is the stuff saved when doing a apt-get update ? |
| 10:55.02 | PerfDave | mediafly: Which "stuff"? |
| 10:55.16 | mike-m | when it reads packages.gz |
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| 10:56.18 | mike-m | I removed some entrys from my sources.list, but results still comes out by searching with apt-get |
| 10:56.26 | mediafly | PerfDave, I did't ask that ;) |
| 10:56.34 | Eulex | mike-m, you have to do apt-get update |
| 10:56.35 | PerfDave | mediafly: Whoops, sorry :) |
| 10:56.41 | mike-m | Eulex: I did :) |
| 10:56.44 | martin_ | hello @all |
| 10:57.11 | mike-m | ohhhh, I know the first problem |
| 10:57.28 | Eulex | mike-m, then you have to uninstall the packages you have from those apt sources |
| 10:57.43 | mike-m | Eulex: I did also |
| 10:57.49 | visik7 | I've to many external repository to update woody to sarge so easily |
| 10:57.58 | Eulex | mike-m, hmm |
| 10:58.04 | visik7 | so for now I stay with woody |
| 10:58.22 | mike-m | I had the package kde 3.4.1, I removed it, but it is still present |
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| 10:59.06 | rick50 | is there a setting i need to change in order to access a creative jukebox 1 with gnomad2 as a user instead of as root in sarge? |
| 10:59.12 | liable | how is it still present? |
| 10:59.40 | mike-m | apt-cache show kdm (for instance) shows me the version 3.4.1 |
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| 11:00.35 | mike-m | When I do an apt-get update, it just pass the whole list in 3~4 seconds |
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| 11:00.52 | rick50 | if i "chmod -R a+w /proc/bus/usb" it will work |
| 11:00.53 | liable | mike-m: explain what you did. Which sources did you have, that you deleted? |
| 11:02.21 | mike-m | I had in my sources list the pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1, next I removed it and I did apt-get update (but the sources for kde 3.4.1 are still there) |
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| 11:04.01 | mike-m | I want to clean up the stuff stored by apt-get update, it could be usefull, but I don't know where to begin |
| 11:04.27 | visik7 | is there some command that tell me which packages a repository provide ? |
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| 11:04.49 | Eulex | mike-m, have you removed kde 3.4.1? |
| 11:05.45 | mike-m | yes I did apt-get remove kde* :p |
| 11:06.04 | liable | mike-m: look in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 11:06.12 | Eulex | mike-m, are you sure you removed *everything* of kde? |
| 11:06.14 | PerfDave | rick50: You probably want to add the user to the group that owns the Jukebox's /dev node (which is probably "camera") |
| 11:06.22 | Eulex | everything you got from that apt repo? |
| 11:06.35 | mike-m | Eulex: woo, maybe not! |
| 11:07.20 | mike-m | liable: ok liable, this dir looks good |
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| 11:07.55 | mike-m | well, thank you, and thank you Eulex (I will see for all the packages I installed from this repo)... going to have lunch, by |
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| 11:09.17 | tarzeau | what's a PAE enabled kernel? |
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| 11:09.38 | Guerin | he might mean PXE |
| 11:09.44 | Guerin | but the hell I know |
| 11:09.49 | rick50 | PerfDave: added myself to camera though still doesn't work |
| 11:10.11 | caphuso | tarzeau: a 32 bit kernel with support for more than 4GiB of RAM? |
| 11:10.26 | Guerin | rick50: newgrp camera |
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| 11:10.47 | PerfDave | rick50: Did you log out and log in again? Is camera the group which owns the jukebox's /dev node? |
| 11:11.04 | liable | rick50: what group does it belong to? |
| 11:11.06 | tarzeau | caphuso: thanks! |
| 11:11.14 | honschu | I have no interrupt for the secound ttyS1 in proc/interrupts - what to change? |
| 11:11.15 | rick50 | checking |
| 11:11.38 | tarzeau | caphuso: theres 4 memory support modes, upt to 1gb, up to 4, and up to 64, right? |
| 11:11.50 | tarzeau | caphuso: if i have 4gb real memory and 8gb swap, i want the 64 one? |
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| 11:12.24 | PerfDave | tarzeau: IIRC it's about how much *physical* memory you can address, not total. But don't hold me to that ;) |
| 11:12.40 | caphuso | tarzeau: yeah, i don't think swap counts too |
| 11:12.48 | rick50 | looks like root |
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| 11:14.00 | tarzeau | PerfDave, caphuso we have this problem: http://www.0x1b.ch/blog/1120918587/crashanalysis.txt |
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| 11:14.49 | liable | rick50: owner and group? |
| 11:15.02 | rick50 | liable: yes |
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| 11:15.52 | liable | rick50: what dev are you checking? |
| 11:16.16 | caphuso | tarzeau: the disk is OK? |
| 11:16.29 | rick50 | liable: opps, i was checking gnomad2 executable |
| 11:16.34 | visik7 | I'm tring to prioritize repositories forcing using old version of one instead another |
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| 11:17.11 | tarzeau | caphuso: i think so, storage is served by nfs on freebsd |
| 11:17.12 | rick50 | liable: uses usb port |
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| 11:17.59 | liable | rick50: see what dmesg says about it, and check that. sda or whatever. |
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| 11:19.11 | rick50 | iwas told libnjb sets permissions somehow in /proc/bus/usb though this is not done in the Debian version |
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| 11:19.56 | rick50 | if i "chmod -R a+w /proc/bus/usb" it will work as a user |
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| 11:20.46 | rick50 | just thought there might be a specific way in Debian to get it to work |
| 11:21.08 | caphuso | tarzeau: sorry, no idea what that could be |
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| 11:22.29 | neue_qualitaet | hello there, i have some trouble with my debian unstable box. when booting up today no more devices for the mouse where there so XFree refuses to come up. Any ideas? |
| 11:22.43 | PerfDave | neue_qualitaet: Did you check the BTS? |
| 11:23.00 | abrotman | or dmesg |
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| 11:23.46 | rick50 | PerfDave: how do i find out what /dev node the Jukebox uses? |
| 11:23.57 | PerfDave | rick50: Check dmesg, probably. |
| 11:24.13 | wishie | i have a machine acting as an internet gateway (using iptables to masq). how can i setup simple IP accounting on that gateway, so i can track how much data each computer on the local network uses monthly ? |
| 11:24.16 | PerfDave | rick50: Or see what gnomad2 is having trouble with. |
| 11:24.16 | neue_qualitaet | first thing i tried was reinstall the nvidia driver than i checked the xfree logs and there it was clear that the devices are no more |
| 11:24.26 | PerfDave | neue_qualitaet: Did you check the BTS? |
| 11:24.37 | neue_qualitaet | i'll check the bts, what packets do you propose XFree? |
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| 11:25.00 | abrotman | check dmesg ? |
| 11:25.17 | PerfDave | neue_qualitaet: Maybe udev, if you're using udev. |
| 11:26.03 | rick50 | PerfDave: I just get a "usb_set_configuration: Operation not permitted" error when i start from the command line |
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| 11:26.43 | PerfDave | rick50: Then see what dmesg says when you plug in the Jukebox |
| 11:26.56 | wishie | when trying to install proftpd on any of my sid machines, the install seems to hang.. |
| 11:27.17 | wishie | it gets to "Setting up proftpd (1.2.10-20) ..." and just stops there |
| 11:27.26 | abrotman | bts ? |
| 11:27.27 | wishie | if i try to kill the processes, they dont die |
| 11:27.39 | wishie | ive looked at the BTS |
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| 11:28.01 | neue_qualitaet | PerfDave: seems the udev version is not suitable for the current debian kernel, thanks |
| 11:28.13 | neue_qualitaet | i have to go, thank you guys |
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| 11:28.38 | rick50 | PerfDave: |
| 11:28.48 | rick50 | PerfDave: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 4 |
| 11:29.09 | PerfDave | rick50: What does it say about /dev nodes? |
| 11:30.04 | wishie | no-one else having any troubles with proftpd installation/upgrade |
| 11:30.05 | wishie | ? |
| 11:30.18 | PerfDave | wishie: Nope, nobody else uses FTP any more ;0 |
| 11:30.56 | rick50 | PerfDave: can't find reference to it |
| 11:31.05 | bob2 | ftp-- |
| 11:31.06 | wishie | hm, it seems it times out finally |
| 11:31.15 | abrotman | any error ? |
| 11:31.31 | wishie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:32.04 | wishie | its done it on all 3 of my boxes..the problem is, if you try to remove it, it does the same thing.. |
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| 11:32.17 | abrotman | oh cute |
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| 11:32.23 | abrotman | no line number error |
| 11:32.24 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:32.26 | wishie | so all ive been doing ( as a temp fix ) is to edit dpkg's status file by hand, and say that its not installed. |
| 11:32.43 | wishie | abrotman: nope, sorry |
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| 11:32.56 | wishie | one thing i have noticed though.. |
| 11:33.01 | abrotman | wishie: and really .. nothing in bts ? |
| 11:33.09 | rick50 | PerfDave: thanks for offering help... i've got to go |
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| 11:33.14 | PerfDave | rick50: Hmm, it could be that your jukebox isn't being recognised by the kernel at all. |
| 11:33.36 | wishie | im trying to install 1.2.10-20..but the command that ps shows is.../usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/proftpd.postinst configure 1.2.10-19 |
| 11:33.45 | wishie | abrotman: not that i saw, no. :( |
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| 11:34.04 | wishie | 1.2.10-19 it seems in the command being run, when im install 1.2.10-20 ? |
| 11:34.24 | Guerin | wishie: look at the script |
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| 11:35.25 | wishie | Guerin: well, i can see another command (higher process id) that is rm -r /var/run/proftpd/<various files> |
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| 11:35.36 | wishie | so i assumed that was where it was stopping.. ? |
| 11:35.37 | PerfDave | wishie: Fix it, report a bug with the patch ;) |
| 11:36.06 | abrotman | wishie: file a bug or contact the maintainer |
| 11:36.08 | abrotman | !maint proftpd |
| 11:36.13 | dpkg | proftpd: Francesco Paolo Lovergine <frankie@debian.org> |
| 11:36.24 | abrotman | bah .. he went to hollywood |
| 11:36.48 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:38.47 | wishie | am i like the only person to still use FTP or something ? |
| 11:38.56 | abrotman | wishie: for what purpose ? |
| 11:38.56 | Guerin | vsftpd installed fine for me |
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| 11:39.02 | abrotman | Guerin: proftpd |
| 11:39.06 | Guerin | i know |
| 11:39.13 | wishie | abrotman: for moving files around local boxes |
| 11:39.16 | Guerin | just sayin' |
| 11:39.23 | Eulex | wishie, in a trusted network? |
| 11:39.25 | Guerin | wishie: use rsync for that |
| 11:39.32 | abrotman | wishie: well .. you could try nfs or samba .. or scp .. or shfs |
| 11:39.44 | wishie | abrotman: i have nfs and samba setup too |
| 11:39.53 | abrotman | and you use ftp ? |
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| 11:39.59 | wishie | abrotman: sometimes, yeah |
| 11:40.01 | Guerin | i use ftp to serve files, like bog intended |
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| 11:42.00 | wishie | grr |
| 11:42.10 | wishie | damn proftpd |
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| 11:42.58 | wishie | cant even uninstall it |
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| 11:43.34 | sour | can't be that hard |
| 11:43.52 | wishie | well, i cant even kill the processes that are trying to install it. |
| 11:44.09 | sour | can't be that hard |
| 11:44.10 | Guerin | running sid? |
| 11:44.16 | wishie | yeah |
| 11:44.22 | Guerin | enjoy :) |
| 11:44.34 | wishie | but this was occuring on my main machine well before the sarge->stable thing |
| 11:44.36 | Paavo | What would be the best way to make amarok play music without interruptions even if there is some load? |
| 11:44.48 | Paavo | Renice the whole thing to -5? |
| 11:45.05 | wishie | get a faster machine ? |
| 11:45.08 | wishie | :P |
| 11:45.10 | valdyn | Paavo: increase its buffer |
| 11:45.16 | Guerin | honestly, if a musicplayer can't play under load, it's not worth using |
| 11:45.30 | Paavo | Guerin: well, tell me one that works then. |
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| 11:45.46 | Guerin | Paavo: i use cplay and/or mpd/ncmpc |
| 11:45.54 | neiljp | is there an easy way to determine how long a net interface has been up for? ie. if ifconfig says certain RX/TX bytes, is it possible to find out how long this is for? |
| 11:46.01 | Guerin | Paavo: but even xmms performed tolerably |
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| 11:46.22 | wishie | Guerin: how about beep-media-player ? |
| 11:46.27 | julians | Good Morning together :) |
| 11:46.35 | Paavo | It's annoying that music playing without clicking and interruptions is really something that doesn't work out of the box. |
| 11:46.50 | wishie | if ps shows "D" as the processes status, does that mean its fooked ? |
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| 11:47.41 | Guerin | wishie: might as well use xmms |
| 11:47.47 | julians | Hi, i have maked a kernel from source with make && make bzImage, how can i now build a debian Package out of it? |
| 11:47.55 | valdyn | Paavo: it depends on to many factors.. just increasing buffer size might work for most players. |
| 11:47.57 | Guerin | Paavo: that'd be kde for you. |
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| 11:48.13 | Guerin | also running arts with realtime might work, though again, you shouldn't have to |
| 11:48.15 | Paavo | Guerin: I've seen the same problems with xmms too. |
| 11:48.32 | jethro | julians: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 11:48.40 | Guerin | linux's scheduling is pretty shit-hot, apps have to be pretty bad to fail under it |
| 11:48.49 | Paavo | Didn't kernel 2.6 pay more attention to nice values than 2.4? I think that may be an issue. |
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| 11:49.08 | abrotman | !tell julians about kp |
| 11:50.08 | julians | hmmm, but i didnt want to make a .deb with make-kpkg o.O |
| 11:50.20 | jethro | julians: you should :) |
| 11:50.54 | julians | but it takes forever on my 33 Mhz ... (i have already compiled it with make && make bzImage and distcc) |
| 11:50.59 | julians | 333 Mhz |
| 11:51.13 | sh4dowcat | has anybody compiled with alsa-source on testing? |
| 11:51.14 | julians | and now want a deb package |
| 11:51.26 | valdyn | julians: why dont you just run make-kpkg kernel-image? it wont necessarily recompile everything. |
| 11:51.54 | julians | hmm, i dont know ^^ :) |
| 11:52.01 | julians | this is why iam asking |
| 11:52.03 | julians | thx ^^ |
| 11:52.13 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 11:52.24 | sh4dowcat | make-kpkg modules_image fails with alsa for me |
| 11:52.25 | sh4dowcat | :( |
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| 11:52.51 | valdyn | sh4dowcat: no mindreaders here - try being less vague |
| 11:53.02 | abrotman | !phillysmite jethro |
| 11:53.14 | jethro | heh |
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| 11:53.19 | Paavo | I agree that a music player that can't handle load is crap, but is there any graphical player that _isn't_ crap? |
| 11:53.30 | Guerin | how worried should I be if a bunch of debsums are failing? |
| 11:53.43 | streuner | wth is 'Schuylkill River Water'? :-) |
| 11:53.43 | Guerin | Paavo: nope. |
| 11:53.45 | abrotman | Guerin: do you think debsums are important ? |
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| 11:54.09 | Guerin | abrotman: as an indication of whether my shit has been fucked with, yeah, i reckon they might be. |
| 11:54.30 | abrotman | streuner: that's the river that runs through philly .. generally .. disgusting .. i don't know of a single person who has fished the river and EATEN the fish in at least 20 years |
| 11:54.31 | Guerin | i don't really know, though, how often a failed debsum check would be a flase positive for some sort of badness. |
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| 11:54.39 | initech | Guerin: sid? |
| 11:54.57 | streuner | abrotman: rivers in US are that dangerous? |
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| 11:55.07 | PDani | hi |
| 11:55.11 | initech | Guerin: it happend to me fairly often with sid |
| 11:55.20 | PDani | can i redefine somehow the shortcuts in mozilla-firefox? |
| 11:55.21 | Guerin | initech: yeah. False alarm? |
| 11:55.29 | w3rdn4 | what do I need to be able to use make-kpkg |
| 11:55.32 | w3rdn4 | ti says command not found |
| 11:55.35 | initech | Guerin: yeah |
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| 11:55.40 | Guerin | wishie: /msg dpkg kp |
| 11:55.42 | streuner | !tell w3rdn4 about kp |
| 11:55.59 | sh4dowcat | valdyn: basically it gets to the point of compiling pcmcia sound driver |
| 11:56.01 | sh4dowcat | s |
| 11:56.02 | wishie | i keep a local copy of my debian repos using apt-mirror..but ive found lately, that when i apt-get update, apt tries to find a GPG(?) key ? how can i create of of those, that apt is looking for ? |
| 11:56.02 | Paavo | Guerin: Okay, so I'm not a troll, but if I were, I'd probably ask at this point why it seems to be impossible to make a properly working MP3 player under Linux when Winamp works just fine under load in Windows... |
| 11:56.04 | sh4dowcat | and then it errors out |
| 11:56.05 | abrotman | streuner: the river starts up stream with mine wash .. and passes through many cities that dump dirty water(after "treatment") along with boating(diesel powered,etc) and other general run off .. |
| 11:56.19 | sh4dowcat | is there a way of compiling alsa-source with only the drivers you want? |
| 11:56.24 | sh4dowcat | and now the whole thing? |
| 11:56.26 | initech | Paavo: ? there's a hundred mp3 players in linux |
| 11:56.35 | basix | hi people, i am new to debian. I did a base install. I was able to configure the interfaces. Now I want to install SSH on my PC. But "apt-get install ssh" doesnt work. I have the line 'deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main" in /etc/apt/sources.list. I am running debian sarge 3.1. I have all the packages on the debian DVD. |
| 11:56.36 | valdyn | sh4dowcat: /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/ |
| 11:56.42 | Guerin | Paavo: winamp copes fine under load in windows? You have to be shittin' me... |
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| 11:56.47 | sh4dowcat | valdyn: not ver descriptive |
| 11:56.50 | sh4dowcat | very* |
| 11:56.59 | valdyn | sh4dowcat: yea, you got to read. |
| 11:57.02 | abrotman | streuner: usually mine wash(close to the source) is enough to keep people from eating the fish |
| 11:57.11 | Guerin | Paavo: are you using arts? |
| 11:57.21 | Paavo | initech: Yes, but it seems almost impossible to make them play properly under load. Using realtime priority jackd with alsaplayer works. Sort of. |
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| 11:57.35 | streuner | abrotman: the situation was similar, but in germany we fight against 'dirty' rivers here, and success is fishes swimming in most of our river |
| 11:57.55 | Paavo | Guerin: Nope, ALSA driver with XMMS. |
| 11:58.16 | jethro | streuner: I wish paris did the same with the seine :) |
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| 11:58.22 | Guerin | Paavo: hrm. i think xmms doesn't speak alsa very well. Switch to oss emulation and it might work better. |
| 11:58.24 | initech | Paavo: i have never had a problem. by "load" I assume you mean when something else is eating up the cpu time? |
| 11:58.29 | abrotman | streuner: sure .. the fish swim here . but it's hard to swim upstream with two heads |
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| 11:58.37 | jethro | hahaha |
| 11:58.41 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 11:58.48 | basix | hey? someone help me configure apt-get??? |
| 11:58.48 | omniscient | hey be happy, at least you guys have water |
| 11:59.07 | Guerin | basix: what's to configure? |
| 11:59.12 | sh4dowcat | apt-setup |
| 11:59.20 | Paavo | initech: yes, such as switching between tabs in firefox. switching a few times quickly makes music break up every time |
| 11:59.23 | basix | Guerin, did you read my problem? |
| 11:59.28 | coll | im about to compile my kernel (the debian way with make-kpkg and dpkg -i kernel.deb...) i've got my old config from /boot copied to my untared /usr/src/linux-2.4.31 and i've manually edited it and inserted some lines. do i go make-kpkg right now or should i run something like 'make oldconfig' ? |
| 11:59.31 | Guerin | nope |
| 11:59.38 | wishie | for a bit of humour, google for "paris hilton isnt a whore" and see what googles replies with.. Did you mean.. |
| 11:59.52 | valdyn | coll: run make oldconfig |
| 11:59.58 | basix | Guerin, Well here is my problem. I did a base install. I was able to configure the interfaces. Now I want to install SSH on my PC. But "apt-get install ssh" doesnt work. I have the line 'deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main" in /etc/apt/sources.list. I am running debian sarge 3.1. I have all the packages on the debian DVD. |
| 11:59.59 | Guerin | basix: apt-get update && apt-cache search ssh |
| 12:00.04 | streuner | omnisient: well, if the water is some dirty green toxican stuff you can hardly talk about water ;-) |
| 12:00.04 | Guerin | basix: yeah, I scrolled up |
| 12:00.10 | Paavo | initech: Could it be that Firefox monopolizes the X server for a moment and XMMS can't redraw its window and thus stops for a while? |
| 12:00.14 | basix | Guerin, ok |
| 12:00.23 | coll | valdyn: ok thanks, lets see what it does |
| 12:00.28 | abrotman | streuner: http://web-savvy.com/river/Schuylkill/schuylkill2.html |
| 12:00.32 | silensius | what's the meaning of this |
| 12:00.35 | Guerin | Paavo: nope. the player backend has nothing to do with the window |
| 12:00.36 | silensius | erl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 12:00.36 | silensius | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 12:00.41 | valdyn | coll: make-kpkg kernel-image runs that too iirc, but nothing wrong with doing it manually. |
| 12:00.47 | sh4dowcat | wishie: Did you mean: paris hilton is a whore |
| 12:00.47 | wishie | so, how can create the GPG keys that apt-get is looking for ? |
| 12:00.48 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 12:00.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 12:00.48 | initech | Paavo: oh, well that's terrible - that should not happen at all |
| 12:01.07 | Eulex | basix: ^^ |
| 12:01.13 | coll | valdyn: it starts asking me a bunch of qustions heh |
| 12:01.18 | initech | Paavo: what sort of cpu are we talking about? |
| 12:01.21 | wishie | sh4dowcat: haha, yeah, i just found a good laugh in that.. |
| 12:01.32 | streuner | abrotman: according to the website its idylic - " Welcome to the Schuylkill Valley, and enjoy your visit! |
| 12:01.34 | valdyn | coll: if the new kernel has new options then that will happen. |
| 12:01.50 | Paavo | initech: 1.3 GHz Athlon |
| 12:01.50 | coll | valdyn: i suppose so. not sure what to answer. its like Set version information on all module symbols (CONFIG_MODVERSIONS) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 12:02.01 | initech | Paavo: no way should anything like that be happening |
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| 12:02.12 | Eulex | coll, do wise choices, and read the help if you don't understand something |
| 12:02.16 | valdyn | coll: where exactly did you copy your old config to? |
| 12:02.18 | coll | valdyn: should i just go with defaults and press 'enter'?cause im not sure. |
| 12:02.21 | abrotman | streuner: it's a nice river valley .. but the water is gross .. not as bad as some others in PA .. but still gross .. |
| 12:02.28 | Guerin | coll: widhe |
| 12:02.36 | Eulex | coll, type ? to show the help |
| 12:02.41 | valdyn | coll: no you should certainly not. |
| 12:02.48 | Paavo | The thing is that I remember that it was possible to play music uninterrupted some years ago on the same machine. |
| 12:03.13 | basix | Guerin, its not able to find some .deb file |
| 12:03.15 | coll | i've copied the .config from /boot to my untared /usr/src/linux-2.4.31 (which i grabbed from kernel.org) and i also edited manually the .config to add a few lines for QoS that werent there before. |
| 12:03.25 | valdyn | coll: CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is ancient, its certainly defined in your old config, so your copying went wrong somewhere. |
| 12:03.25 | Guerin | basix: why not? |
| 12:03.27 | Paavo | I suspect the new scheduler in 2.6 may be to blame, but I'm not sure. |
| 12:03.51 | valdyn | Paavo: why don't you just increase the buffer size? |
| 12:03.52 | Guerin | Paavo: the 2.6 scheduler is rock-solid for me |
| 12:03.56 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:03.59 | Guerin | there's that |
| 12:04.00 | initech | Paavo: what kind of sound card? this sounds more like a general sound / driver issue than anything with xmms |
| 12:04.15 | abrotman | streuner: http://www.ewg.org/reports/dishonorable/ddrivers.html .. see what we put in our rivers .. yum |
| 12:04.20 | streuner | omnisient: Do you live in desert? |
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| 12:04.26 | coll | valdyn: i see... well the ? token helped a bit |
| 12:04.28 | initech | Paavo: nah man, it isn't the scheduler |
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| 12:04.50 | valdyn | coll: you don't really want to answer all those coming questions. You will see.. |
| 12:04.51 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 12:04.57 | Paavo | valdyn: the buffer size is 2000 ms. The sound card is Audigy 2, with the ALSA drivers that came with Sarge. Kernel is stock Sarge kernel. |
| 12:04.58 | sh4dowcat | lots of things seem to break in 2.6.12 |
| 12:05.00 | sh4dowcat | :( |
| 12:05.06 | basix | Guerin, its on a different machine so i cant paste the message. but it says something like "Err file: sarge/main ssh:1.3.8... not found" |
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| 12:05.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:05.30 | initech | Paavo: to rule out whether it is some stupid desktop setting, you could play something with mpg321 in a console while messing with firefox in X |
| 12:06.02 | basix | Guerin, then it goes on to say "failed to fetch file:///cdrom/pool/main/.../some-file.deb" |
| 12:06.09 | valdyn | Paavo: if its really that large then this sounds like a driver 'bug'. |
| 12:06.13 | Guerin | basix: something's fucked with your dvds then. |
| 12:06.15 | Guerin | i guess |
| 12:06.18 | clown_ | Any ext2/dump/restore guru's here? How can I prevent restoring from a full+incr that files deleted after the full are still restored? |
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| 12:06.36 | valdyn | Paavo: or might aswell be a problem totally unrelated to scheduling / latency |
| 12:06.36 | Eulex | basix, are you fetching things from the dvd? |
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| 12:06.55 | Paavo | initech: mpg321 works fine, without interruptions. |
| 12:06.59 | valdyn | Paavo: let me guess, you're using the oss emulation layer? |
| 12:07.04 | abrotman | streuner: http://www.sierraclub.org/communities/pa/schuylkill.asp .. and the sierra club never lies! |
| 12:07.06 | initech | Paavo: gnome? kde? what are you using? |
| 12:07.07 | Eulex | basix, could you then try to mount the dvd and access it |
| 12:07.12 | Paavo | initech: kde |
| 12:07.21 | Paavo | valdyn: ALSA driver for xmms |
| 12:07.32 | initech | Paavo: it's some audio setting in KDE then. it's possible to fuck shit up to hell in KDE :) |
| 12:07.36 | streuner | abrotman: are you a member of a group which fight against it? |
| 12:07.36 | basix | Eulex, yep. i mounted the dvd and checked it out manually. the file exists. |
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| 12:07.47 | Paavo | initech: artsd is dead |
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| 12:08.25 | abrotman | streuner: yes .. i actively promote constipation |
| 12:08.42 | wishie | hmm, im trying to generate a key with gpg, and it says that there is no enough random bytes available, and i should do some random crap on the pc |
| 12:08.53 | wishie | ive been doing that for quite some time now, and nothing is happening.. |
| 12:08.55 | nevyn | yep |
| 12:08.57 | valdyn | Paavo: there is 2 buffer settings, increase the one referring to xmms, increase the one referring to alsa ( both in the alsa output plugin config ). |
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| 12:09.06 | nevyn | generating random data is painful. |
| 12:09.12 | nevyn | press shift and stuff. |
| 12:09.19 | abrotman | use a script |
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| 12:09.45 | abrotman | use dev/urandom .. convert every 8 bits to a char |
| 12:09.46 | cast | wishie: curious, /dev/random is working correctly right? |
| 12:10.02 | clown_ | wishie: start X, play tuxracer, come back :-) |
| 12:10.02 | nevyn | abrotman: don't do that. |
| 12:10.09 | abrotman | nevyn: why not ? |
| 12:10.21 | nevyn | did you miss that he's generating a key. |
| 12:10.22 | nevyn | ? |
| 12:10.31 | abrotman | oh .. i'm sorry |
| 12:10.38 | nevyn | abrotman: /dev/urandom is not appropriate for generating a key. |
| 12:10.38 | abrotman | nevyn: i thought you were generating testing data |
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| 12:10.50 | wishie | how long do i need to do this for ? |
| 12:10.55 | wishie | ot enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give |
| 12:10.55 | wishie | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 284 more bytes) |
| 12:10.58 | nevyn | wishie: how fast is the machine? |
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| 12:11.06 | wishie | P4 2.66GHz |
| 12:11.12 | cast | on my comp..a few seconds |
| 12:11.14 | Paavo | Strange. Now it started working. |
| 12:11.21 | nevyn | do stuff that accesses disk |
| 12:11.27 | wishie | like ? heh |
| 12:11.32 | mike-m | how can I list the installed packages ? |
| 12:11.35 | valdyn | wishie: mistreat your keyboard a little |
| 12:11.46 | Paavo | I'll try to retrace my steps and find out what it was that made it work. |
| 12:11.47 | abrotman | streuner: i'm honestly not really aware of any that actively try to clean the river or actively promote cleaning it .. except the sierra club .. |
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| 12:12.07 | abrotman | streuner: and even the PA chapter has far greater problems than the schuylkill |
| 12:12.14 | wishie | valdyn: been doing that for 3-4 mins now :) |
| 12:12.18 | josep | Someone else with latest sid updtes experienced that now udev doesn't start automatically at boot? |
| 12:12.27 | wishie | mike-m: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 12:12.28 | abrotman | streuner: we have a superfund site in PA .. which . IMO .. was a horrible mistake |
| 12:12.44 | valdyn | josep: latest udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 12:12.45 | mike-m | wishie: why the grep ^ii? |
| 12:12.49 | valdyn | josep: check the bts. |
| 12:12.56 | valdyn | josep: i havent tried it though |
| 12:13.00 | mike-m | wishie: ah ok |
| 12:13.07 | mike-m | wishie: thank you ;) |
| 12:13.15 | wishie | no worries |
| 12:13.24 | josep | valdyn: strange, why didn't it upgrade the kernel too? |
| 12:13.39 | wishie | hmm, still hasnt generated this key |
| 12:13.40 | valdyn | josep: uh? |
| 12:13.52 | valdyn | josep: debian never upgrades your kernel to a new release. |
| 12:13.53 | basix | Eulex, Guerin, i just did apt-setup and reselected the source. It's installing ssh now! :D Woo hoo I like debian :D |
| 12:14.13 | Eulex | valdyn: 2.6.12 is in unstable?? |
| 12:14.15 | josep | valdyn: yes, but if udev depends on kernel 2.6.12, why did it install it? |
| 12:14.28 | valdyn | josep: its a BUG |
| 12:14.30 | Eulex | !beer basix |
| 12:14.35 | mike-m | josep: I dist-upgraded (why did I do that ? :p) and now I don't have my entrys /dev/input | /dev/psaux :/ |
| 12:14.41 | wishie | grr |
| 12:14.48 | wishie | i cant seem to generate a key with gpg |
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| 12:14.54 | valdyn | Eulex: no idea, probably not. |
| 12:15.01 | josep | mike-m: mean man! :) Yep, actually that was what happened... |
| 12:15.07 | basix | Eulex, :) |
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| 12:15.18 | coll | im going defaults on everything with 'make oldconfig' except for the ip networking and qos stuff |
| 12:15.26 | basix | Thanks guys :) |
| 12:15.50 | josep | humm... but there are no packages for 2.6.12 kernels... |
| 12:16.01 | coll | these are all new options from the 2.4.31 kernel and i definitely not need them if everything worked just fine before. so not having these options isn't bad |
| 12:16.03 | mike-m | just a point, I removed some packages, but I was in the need to clean /etc/init.d (and rc-?-) by the hand |
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| 12:16.08 | coll | thats my logic anyway |
| 12:16.09 | neue_qualitaet | Thanks guys, it was udev i downgraded to udev 0.56 from sarge and now everything works fine. |
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| 12:16.25 | Eulex | nope, no 2.6.12 in unstable |
| 12:16.30 | wishie | so, any tips on how to generate this GPG key ? |
| 12:16.31 | valdyn | josep: critical bugs of udev (0.060-1 -> ) <open> \ #317332 - udev 0.060-1 should be used with a >= 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 12:16.53 | initech | wishie: never had such a problem. don't you have a /dev/random? |
| 12:17.01 | Nurbs_ | 0.062 even more so :) |
| 12:17.02 | josep | valdyn: thanks I was on to check bts now :) |
| 12:17.03 | Eulex | mike-m, that's normal -- if you wanna remove it, use --purge |
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| 12:17.12 | initech | wishie: your system's out of entropy for some reason |
| 12:17.29 | wishie | i have a /dev/random, yeah |
| 12:17.57 | nevyn | wishie: /dev/random will block if there's not enough entropy to deliver random bits. |
| 12:18.05 | neiljp | can anyone recommend a good tool to do statistics of my download/upload amounts, including filtering based on mac address? (to ignore local network activity) |
| 12:18.06 | initech | wishie: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 12:18.23 | wishie | 2115 |
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| 12:18.26 | coll | im gonna go for make-kpkg now (im so afraid!!!) |
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| 12:18.49 | valdyn | coll: as you should be. |
| 12:18.56 | initech | wishie: mine stays at about 4096 ... |
| 12:19.08 | wishie | hmm |
| 12:19.11 | Eulex | what is the device file for the keyboard? |
| 12:19.27 | PerfDave | What's the easiest way to capture traffic between a client and a server? I'm running akgregator locally, and I want to see what response it's getting from a server when it fetches an RSS feed. |
| 12:19.31 | wishie | initech: explain entropy ? how do i get more as such ? |
| 12:19.32 | valdyn | Eulex: /dev/input/<something> |
| 12:19.35 | coll | valdyn: im hoping make-kpkg/dpkg handles the lilo.config so i can resume a boot with my old kernel if anythin goes wrong |
| 12:19.39 | nevyn | Eulex: umm the keyboard doesn't have a device really. |
| 12:19.43 | initech | wishie: really, it should just "work" |
| 12:19.48 | Eulex | nevyn, ok |
| 12:19.49 | rixth | Excuse my language but what the fuck! My JPEG handling is screwed. Say, in the Gimp, I ask it to create a new white layer, it makes it black. If I save a transparent .gif as .jpg, the background ends up black. What the fuck. |
| 12:19.56 | nevyn | Eulex: the closest would be /dev/ttyn where n is the current terminal you're on. |
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| 12:20.08 | Jhair | from the urandom man page: "A read from the /dev/urandom device will not block waiting for more |
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| 12:20.10 | neiljp | rixth: check the colour depth of your image? |
| 12:20.11 | Jhair | ugh |
| 12:20.16 | Eulex | nevyn, ok, thanks :) |
| 12:20.24 | initech | wishie: place a windows machine near your computer ... that should get you more entropy |
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| 12:20.40 | wishie | initech: empathy ? heh |
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| 12:20.58 | initech | wishie: dunno man. time for google I guess |
| 12:21.15 | rixth | neiljp: how does one convert indexed to rgb? |
| 12:21.18 | neiljp | rixth: and jpg doesn't support transparency, so... |
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| 12:21.26 | raf256 | if I install kernel 2.6.11-amd64 - then I need to install 64 bit binaries of all programs? |
| 12:21.28 | initech | wishie: or maybe you are trying to generate an insanely large key? |
| 12:21.34 | rixth | neiljp: I'm aware of that, but usually it makes the background white. |
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| 12:21.47 | wishie | initech: ive tried 1024 and 2048 |
| 12:21.55 | raf256 | ..or can I use kernel-*-amd64 and keep my 32 bit applications, only that kernel will take advatnages of 64 bit for own purpises? |
| 12:22.06 | coll | ok, make-kpkg is compiling like a crazy horse now |
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| 12:22.13 | chocoIateWork | does anybody know why i have problems when i try to install this available package --->> http://pastebot.nd.edu/1743 |
| 12:22.20 | wishie | hmm, making a kernel might be random enough, disk activity ? |
| 12:22.35 | raf256 | use find / for some randomness I guess |
| 12:22.53 | neiljp | rixth: for me, Image->Mode |
| 12:22.58 | Guerin | 1024 is an insanely large key |
| 12:23.09 | Guerin | there's practically no reason to have a key that length |
| 12:23.12 | raf256 | 1024 is standard key, 2048 is big, 4096 is insane |
| 12:23.21 | wishie | Guerin: well, the default is 2048 |
| 12:23.25 | Guerin | in what universe? |
| 12:23.30 | Guerin | oh, for gpg? |
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| 12:23.36 | raf256 | Guerin: go read gpg man or something |
| 12:23.37 | rixth | Well, converting to RGD then saving fixed it. `cuse my language earlier and thanks neiljp |
| 12:23.38 | Guerin | they're symmetric, right |
| 12:23.45 | Eulex | chocoIate, dependency problems -- somethings held and can't upgraded, or something like that |
| 12:23.45 | Jhair | chocoIate, is that an unstable or stable box |
| 12:23.47 | neiljp | rixth: fixed the background too? |
| 12:23.55 | rixth | neiljp: yep |
| 12:24.16 | raf256 | can I install kernel *-amd64 with keeping myu 32 bit apps |
| 12:24.16 | raf256 | ? |
| 12:24.30 | chocoIate | well, i have debian sarge |
| 12:24.36 | Guerin | raf256: #debian-amd64 |
| 12:24.47 | wishie | ok, well, compiling a kernel. perhaps that will be enough disk/cpu activity for entropy ? |
| 12:25.01 | Kerr | what does Fajita sauce taste like? :-/ |
| 12:25.02 | Jhair | chocoIate, what does apt-cache policy libapr0-dev say? |
| 12:25.12 | raf256 | hmm I ment: does installing kernel-image-*-amd64 in my debian32 testing equals moving to debian64? |
| 12:25.35 | wishie | its gone up atleast..heh |
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| 12:26.12 | abrotman | raf256: are you runing pure64 ? |
| 12:26.19 | chocoIate | Jhair, i get this : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1744 |
| 12:26.23 | xoz | the key itself uses pki while the message is encrypted using symmetric algo. it is important that the key is not predictable, otherwise, it defeats the purpose of encryption. |
| 12:26.46 | raf256 | abrotman: no, I have normal debian32 testing, I just wonder can I install kernel-image-2.6.11-amd64-k8 |
| 12:26.56 | abrotman | raf256: do you have a k8 ? |
| 12:27.05 | raf256 | Amd64 2800 is k8 isnt it? |
| 12:27.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:27.14 | raf256 | so I do |
| 12:27.27 | Jhair | chocoIate, well the version in sarge is too old for the package you want to install. |
| 12:27.44 | Jhair | chocoIate, version 2.0.54-4 is unstable |
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| 12:28.13 | chocoIate | so, how can i fix my situation Jhair :o |
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| 12:28.24 | raf256 | I mean, kernel-image-amd64-k8 from debian32 (not debian64 project) is a kernal that useses some advantages of 64bitness for itself, while beeing a 32bit kernel - running (only) 3bit apps? |
| 12:28.39 | wishie | ok, 2 kernel compiles and an MPlayer compile going..im on a mission to find entropy! |
| 12:29.00 | raf256 | wishie: download something via internet |
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| 12:29.10 | wishie | raf256: im also doing that..heh |
| 12:29.36 | Jhair | chocoIate, wait I was wrong your version is right in sarge... so probably the problem is with libdb4.2-dev, try to check the BTS if there are bugs for your problem |
| 12:29.41 | Paavo | initech, valdyn: It seems if you start xmms in the background with "xmms &" it can't play properly. The nice 5 value it gets from that apparently makes it starve if a nice 0 process wants to use CPU. |
| 12:31.24 | sh4dowcat | blegh |
| 12:31.30 | sh4dowcat | what was the url to the dpkg factoid archive? |
| 12:32.28 | Paavo | Is there any remedy to this other than to remember to never start xmms with '&'? Do you think there is still something else wrong with my system or does this behaviour occur for you too? |
| 12:32.48 | chocoIate | oh |
| 12:33.31 | Eulex | Paavo, I'm gonna try to run xmms & and see how wel it performs... |
| 12:33.44 | valdyn | Paavo: xmms & doesn't get a nice 5 here. |
| 12:34.05 | Eulex | neither does it here |
| 12:34.07 | Paavo | valdyn: what's your shell? |
| 12:34.14 | valdyn | Paavo: bash |
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| 12:36.02 | Paavo | I see. I'm using zsh and it appears that it has the option bg_nice set by default. Bash is different: it runs &-processes at the same nice level as the shell. |
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| 12:36.51 | raf256 | I have WinXP (bleh) on hdc, installed on partition hdc5, how to load it from GRUB? |
| 12:36.52 | Guerin | Paavo: aha. |
| 12:37.06 | abrotman | raf256: use google .. many examples |
| 12:37.24 | raf256 | abrotman: but the usual root + makeactive + chainloader didnt wokred actually |
| 12:37.24 | wishie | hmm |
| 12:37.27 | Eulex | raf256, bash should have detected winxp automatically and added an entry for it... |
| 12:37.33 | wishie | still not enough..this is ridiculous. |
| 12:37.34 | raf256 | Eulex: ....bash? |
| 12:37.38 | abrotman | raf256: then try something unusual .. or ask #grub |
| 12:37.41 | wishie | i just want to generate a GPG key |
| 12:37.52 | raf256 | wishie: what is the problem? |
| 12:37.58 | Eulex | raf256, oh, grub |
| 12:38.02 | Guerin | wishie: just mash the keyboard for an hour or so |
| 12:38.07 | wishie | raf256: Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give |
| 12:38.07 | wishie | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 291 more bytes) |
| 12:38.10 | Guerin | or maybe use a pecking bird |
| 12:38.12 | wishie | Guerin: for an hour ? fsck that. |
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| 12:38.28 | Guerin | 291 bytes shouldn't take long |
| 12:38.30 | raf256 | wishie: well copy some files to a temp dir |
| 12:38.33 | wishie | ive compiled 2 kernels, loaded up a game, compiled mplayer, downloaded useless random crap from the internet.. |
| 12:38.41 | abrotman | wishie: is this a self compiled kernel ? |
| 12:38.45 | raf256 | wishie: looks loke something is b0rked then |
| 12:38.48 | wishie | abrotman: yes. |
| 12:38.49 | raf256 | file a bugreport wishie |
| 12:38.53 | abrotman | wishie: try a debian kernel if you have one |
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| 12:38.59 | abrotman | raf256: he cant file a bug report |
| 12:39.01 | wishie | abrotman: only the install kernel. |
| 12:39.07 | wishie | abrotman: how would that make a difference ? |
| 12:39.20 | abrotman | wishie: kernel makes dev/random and urandom |
| 12:40.09 | wishie | when gpg says it needs 291 more bytes..thats not alot ? |
| 12:40.37 | abrotman | no .. |
| 12:41.24 | wishie | ahh done! |
| 12:41.25 | wishie | finally! |
| 12:41.37 | wishie | i just copied some files over the network |
| 12:41.44 | Paavo | So, it seems like it was a kernel 2.6 vs 2.4 issue after all. I've been using zsh for several years with exactly those options and it seems like nice values are taken more seriously by the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 12:42.53 | rr | when i start mencoder from crontab, it exit after few seconds. what's wrong? |
| 12:43.03 | nevyn | Paavo: they are. |
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| 12:43.33 | nevyn | Paavo: on older systems having X running at -10 screws everything else out of cputime |
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| 12:44.59 | lobomufas | hi |
| 12:45.01 | Paavo | nevyn: where might the limit be for a machine to be "older"? This is a 1.3 GHz Athlon. |
| 12:45.06 | Nesquick | can anyone help me with de /etc/apt/source.lst for my debian...i just wanna change from testing to unstable... |
| 12:45.15 | Flex-it | What is fonts fixed package name ? |
| 12:45.24 | Paavo | nevyn: Anyway, it seems like Sarge runs the X server at -10 by default. |
| 12:45.30 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 12:45.30 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
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| 12:46.09 | Paavo | nevyn: Is it advisable to change that X nice value to 0 when running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:46.51 | Flex-it | Ok , I haven't xfonts-base |
| 12:46.52 | abrotman | why are you changing nice values ? |
| 12:47.16 | Flex-it | I dont't kwnow why , but I had to change my sources.list , it's the guilty !!! |
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| 12:47.23 | sh4dowcat | sigh |
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| 12:47.23 | Paavo | abrotman: "[15:43] <nevyn> Paavo: on older systems having X running at -10 screws everything else out of cputime" |
| 12:47.28 | sh4dowcat | browsing logs is so much fun |
| 12:47.29 | mihaly | I am having trouble with my X/Gnome desktop in my debian installation it wont start anymore... just hangs during the start-up off X. Last error line is: "Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!" |
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| 12:47.40 | Eulex | Paavo, i tried that on an old computer and the gui became really sluggish |
| 12:47.50 | Paavo | Eulex: old, as in? |
| 12:48.06 | Eulex | Paavo, p2 300 64 mb ram |
| 12:48.25 | abrotman | Paavo: i meant .. why are you nicing so many things .. they make a kernel scheduler for a reason :) |
| 12:48.31 | Eulex | Paavo, it was set to nice -10 as default |
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| 12:48.51 | w3rdn4 | what is a good program to rip cds into .ogg or .mp3 or .wav |
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| 12:49.07 | timo | w3rdn4, grip is usable |
| 12:49.43 | Paavo | abrotman: zsh nices background processes by default. I think I'll turn that option off now that I know it's not advisable. I thought all shells did it. |
| 12:49.49 | Eulex | w3rdn4, abcde (was it you who asked this yesterday too?) |
| 12:50.05 | valdyn | Paavo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
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| 12:50.16 | w3rdn4 | Eulex, never asked such a question yesterday |
| 12:50.20 | w3rdn4 | only mantra mantra mantra |
| 12:50.25 | w3rdn4 | and tantra tantra tantra |
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| 12:51.16 | Eulex | w3rdn4, ok -- then it was someone else who asked the same question |
| 12:51.50 | Paavo | valdyn: I see. Thanks. Is this mentioned in some 2.6 upgrade manual, i.e. should I just have RTFM? |
| 12:51.51 | wishie | i keep a local mirror of the debian archive, using apt-mirror. but when i try to upgrade from my local mirror, i get complaints about not being able to find a GPG key..any ideas on how i go about fixing this ? i just generated a GPG key.. |
| 12:52.01 | mihaly | doesn't anyone know what that error msg means? |
| 12:52.02 | abrotman | !aptkey |
| 12:52.05 | abrotman | !aptsecure |
| 12:52.09 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 12:52.10 | dpkg | i guess apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated |
| 12:52.11 | abrotman | yay |
| 12:52.20 | valdyn | Paavo: no idea. |
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| 12:52.28 | Eulex | mihaly, is that an error or warning? |
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| 12:52.46 | mihaly | Eulex: I dont know actually |
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| 12:52.56 | mihaly | Eulex: I dont know what I should I do about it : |
| 12:53.08 | Eulex | mihaly, check your XFree86 log in /var/log |
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| 12:53.39 | Eulex | g2g |
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| 12:54.14 | wishie | hmm, i dont know if that really applied to my local mirror though abrotman , unless im missing something ? |
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| 12:55.00 | w3rdn4 | unable to locate java exec in /usr/java/ hierarchy |
| 12:55.04 | w3rdn4 | how do I install java? |
| 12:56.11 | Paavo | On the X renicing: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0311.1/1038.html |
| 12:56.20 | abrotman | wishie: i'm pretty sure it does .. |
| 12:56.51 | wishie | abrotman: doesnt tell me how to generate keys for my packages (even though they are just a mirror of official packages) |
| 12:57.10 | Paavo | ...and more: http://ck.kolivas.org/audio_hints.txt |
| 12:57.15 | mihaly | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0311.1/1038.html |
| 12:57.44 | abrotman | wishie: --forget-gpg gets rid of errors ? |
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| 12:57.47 | abrotman | or whatever it is ? |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | or --ignore-gpg |
| 12:58.45 | wishie | hmm, apt-get hasnt got those options it seems |
| 12:58.57 | abrotman | certainly would be nice if the DSA would reference the CAN |
| 12:59.46 | wishie | can i paste the errors im getting somewhere ? |
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| 13:00.03 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:00.04 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 13:00.18 | abrotman | and do tell us before you paste in flood .. if that's what you're going to do |
| 13:00.58 | Paavo | Okay, great. Now after changing X nice value to 0 and turning off the zsh bgnice option, even amarok works without skipping! :) |
| 13:01.00 | paster | "wishie" at 203.173.23.220 pasted "apt-get GPG errors" (36 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/329 |
| 13:01.49 | Paavo | This I'm blogging, for sure. |
| 13:01.55 | abrotman | wishie: and yes .. what i did above applies .. |
| 13:02.22 | abrotman | wishie: but you're using your own mirror .. so either generate your own keys .. stop using your own mirror .. or man apt-get and find the option to turn that off |
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| 13:02.40 | abrotman | wishie: how many machines do you have ? |
| 13:02.44 | Paavo | It would have been nice if Debian's 2.6 kernel package would have somehow suggested something like this. |
| 13:02.49 | wishie | abrotman: thats what i was trying to do..generate my own keys, so my local machines can update/upgrade from it. |
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| 13:03.15 | tombs | hi |
| 13:03.16 | wishie | abrotman: well, i have 4 that update of it at the moment now, put that pc also goes to my linux user group installfests |
| 13:03.25 | abrotman | wishie: why not use apt-proxy ? |
| 13:03.48 | abrotman | wishie: ah .. installfest .. you're not installing sid for n00bs are you ? |
| 13:03.59 | wishie | abrotman: apt-mirror is mirroring stable/testing/unstable |
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| 13:04.12 | wishie | aswell as lots of other sources, like marillat, freevo etc |
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| 13:04.27 | abrotman | wishie: i understand that .. but if it's for install fest .. you could just grab it once .. and make your mirror |
| 13:05.04 | abrotman | wishie: anyways .. you're going to have to read about how to install those gpg keys on your mirror .. and no . i don't know how |
| 13:05.14 | wishie | heh, lovely. |
| 13:05.21 | abrotman | wishie: it could be in the apt-mirror man page ... |
| 13:05.28 | wishie | well thats all i want ultimately. to install GPG keys |
| 13:05.35 | wishie | i checked apt-mirror, and it seems its not |
| 13:05.40 | wishie | GPG is only new to apt isnt it ? |
| 13:05.42 | abrotman | wishie: you could look to see how others d oit |
| 13:05.46 | abrotman | wishie: yep |
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| 13:06.46 | w3rdn4 | !ogg |
| 13:06.46 | dpkg | well, ogg is a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Some people have put DivX into ogg as well, apparently. See http://www.xiph.org or join #vorbis for details on the format. Ogg files generally end in .ogg, regardless of codec. |
| 13:06.51 | Nesquick | hey guys...in the unstable packages is gnome2.10? |
| 13:07.00 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel |
| 13:07.03 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 860 kB |
| 13:07.13 | cast | well, we use ogg for theora to. |
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| 13:07.36 | Nesquick | 10x...now i'm upgrading from testing to unstable... |
| 13:08.18 | raf256 | w3rdn4: I think there is also a video for "ogg" |
| 13:08.40 | w3rdn4 | :) |
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| 13:09.27 | raf256 | what can I move to RAID-0 (stripping) to have performance boost? in desktop/programming desktop/mini server? |
| 13:09.43 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.48 | abrotman | wishie: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/ .. seems to just dump the gpg to a file |
| 13:10.05 | abrotman | raf256: any data you want to lose |
| 13:10.21 | raf256 | abrotman: I might loose /usr and /tmp - any of thoes will be noticible? |
| 13:10.28 | partner1 | how to load pcmcia modules before root fs is mounted? |
| 13:10.32 | abrotman | lose |
| 13:10.34 | abrotman | not loose |
| 13:10.45 | [timmeh] | debian:~# su website |
| 13:10.45 | [timmeh] | No shell |
| 13:10.49 | [timmeh] | howcome i have no shell? |
| 13:10.49 | abrotman | raf256: does someone pay you to do admin work ? |
| 13:10.59 | raf256 | !spelling |
| 13:10.59 | dpkg | somebody said spelling was best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.", or what Ambrose Bierce said anyway |
| 13:11.05 | raf256 | abrotman: yes \o/ |
| 13:11.17 | abrotman | there is only one way to spell 'lose' .. |
| 13:11.19 | wishie | abrotman: i have those files..but i take it they are signed with the key from the host apt-mirror gets them from, and not my key.. ? |
| 13:11.23 | abrotman | raf256: are you serious ? |
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| 13:11.30 | [timmeh] | actualy can someone please show me a example of the useradd command? |
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| 13:11.34 | raf256 | abrotman: about the paying? yes \o/ |
| 13:11.36 | e2e | [timmeh]: Have a look /etc/passwd |
| 13:11.37 | abrotman | wishie: i don't think so .. |
| 13:11.42 | abrotman | raf256: that's so fucking sad |
| 13:11.50 | raf256 | abrotman: I dont get why you always have so bad attitude ;) |
| 13:11.52 | valdyn | [timmeh]: just use 'adduser' ? |
| 13:11.58 | partner1 | partner1 can someone help me to load pcmcia modules |
| 13:11.58 | partner1 | partner1 on startup |
| 13:11.58 | partner1 | partner1 so that root fs could be on pcmcia flash? |
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| 13:12.10 | abrotman | raf256: because someone pays you to admin .. and you don't know if losing /usr is a bad thing |
| 13:12.15 | aliumalik | hey if I install an xchat package isnt it supposed to be added automatically to the gnome menu? |
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| 13:12.34 | [timmeh] | when i look in /etc/passwd my user is there, but how can i get rid of no shell? |
| 13:12.38 | raf256 | abrotman: losing /usr is *not* a bad thing, I can always apt-get it again _and_ I do have a backup, einstein |
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| 13:12.43 | abrotman | raf256: let alone that RAID0 is a fucking horrible idea |
| 13:13.05 | abrotman | raf256: apt-get with what ? .. you've nothing left |
| 13:13.10 | e2e | [timmeh]: the last part of line must be /bin/bash or whatever you want your user to use |
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| 13:13.21 | raf256 | abrotman: why horrible? i have /usr (enought to use apt-get anyway) backuped anyway |
| 13:13.26 | valdyn | raf256: try 'which apt-get' |
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| 13:13.54 | abrotman | raf256: you sure about that ? |
| 13:14.01 | raf256 | valdyn: yes, as I said above twice, I do have backup of /usr |
| 13:14.25 | abrotman | raf256: do you really believe if your /usr dies .. you can still use apt-get ? |
| 13:14.28 | raf256 | abrotman: yes Im shure, I closed debian to second box, so I have like 5 GB of software programs installed there with works btw as a backup |
| 13:14.33 | valdyn | raf256: backed up with what? a tool that is _also_ in /usr ? |
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| 13:14.38 | abrotman | $ ldd `which apt-get` |
| 13:14.41 | raf256 | abrotman: I belive that I can use knoppix |
| 13:14.55 | abrotman | raf256: and you're proven to be wrong |
| 13:15.04 | raf256 | valdyn: abrotman: omg. bootup knoopix, copy /usr from second box, is it so hard? |
| 13:15.11 | abrotman | and it's not debian |
| 13:15.26 | evilbadman | It's easier not to do something stupid and lose it in the first place. |
| 13:15.31 | evilbadman | Like raid0 |
| 13:15.35 | raf256 | abrotman: how can I be wrong if I have knoopix and I do have a freaking copy of my /usr on second PC, what I already statet 4 times |
| 13:15.40 | abrotman | raf256: you waste your data however you want .. it's not my shit .. raid0 is a piss poor idea .. for any reason |
| 13:15.48 | idnar | how are bash lists delimited? I can't find a relevant section in the manual |
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| 13:16.32 | raf256 | abrotman: well I do have a backup on /usr with I can repait even without any system on hdd (livecd, or using second PC). Any other disadvangtages of RAID0 ? |
| 13:16.46 | tabris|away | raid0 is not repairable. |
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| 13:16.51 | valdyn | raf256: i wouldnt expect any significant performance gain from it. |
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| 13:17.01 | abrotman | raf256: and just so you know .. not sure if it affects you .. debian stores DB data in /var .. among other things |
| 13:17.19 | abrotman | raid0 is such a stupid idea |
| 13:17.22 | raf256 | omg, are you retarded tabris|away, I said 6 times so far I do have a COPY of /usr ON A SECOND HARDDRIVE, in second PC box, and a livecd to make cp -ar if needed. |
| 13:17.31 | evilbadman | And it is several times more likely to crap itself than a single independent disk. |
| 13:17.34 | bartden | anyone here who knows how a can do a redirect to an other webpage ? |
| 13:17.35 | wishie | grr. |
| 13:17.35 | abrotman | raid0 is such a stupid idea |
| 13:17.44 | abrotman | bartden: #web |
| 13:17.48 | raf256 | abrotman: yes, perhaps I will not use raid0 for /var then. |
| 13:17.55 | initech | abrotman: heh, works for me |
| 13:17.57 | Mr_Smoke | hi crowd |
| 13:18.06 | dvs | initech: you're lucky |
| 13:18.14 | initech | abrotman: but my desktop is totally stateless, I don't care if it dies |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | wishie: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 13:18.23 | evilbadman | raf256: You're best not using it for anything at all. |
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| 13:18.34 | Mr_Smoke | i'm running into some strange behaviour which might stem from the coexistence of logrotate and sysklogd .... as a consequence, I really can't control how often my syslog is rotated... does that sound familiar to any of you ? |
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| 13:18.47 | abrotman | raf256: you can only use raid0 if you 100% don't care if it goes away |
| 13:18.52 | raf256 | are there other disadvanteages of raid0 then lost of data? Will raid0 for /usr speedup programs loading? |
| 13:19.07 | initech | raf256: a little |
| 13:19.08 | valdyn | raf256: not significantly |
| 13:19.11 | raf256 | abrotman: I 1000% dont care since, as told 7 times, I have a clone of it |
| 13:19.19 | wishie | abrotman: thanks, but ive had that open already.. |
| 13:19.25 | abrotman | raf256: i wasn't talking about /usr |
| 13:19.31 | raf256 | ok |
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| 13:19.43 | abrotman | raid0 only works if you don't care if you lose the data |
| 13:19.48 | Mr_Smoke | :/ |
| 13:19.51 | abrotman | wishie: oh .. sorry .. .just trying to help |
| 13:20.08 | [timmeh] | ok, now i cant confgiure a password for my user |
| 13:20.10 | initech | raf256: here's some bonnie tests I did, make of it what you want http://www.it.kpt.cc/~tim/res.html |
| 13:20.11 | wishie | abrotman: yeah, i know, thanks. |
| 13:20.20 | raf256 | well prelink+reiserfs seemd to speedup staring of apps like x2 - x3 times already anyway |
| 13:20.28 | [timmeh] | usermod -pxxxx user dosent work |
| 13:20.32 | raf256 | initech: thnx |
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| 13:21.06 | Guerin | [timmeh]: passwords have to be crypted, aiui |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | initech: i'm going with the sun stuff :) |
| 13:21.25 | initech | :) |
| 13:21.32 | Guerin | [timmeh]: tossing passwords in plain like that is madness |
| 13:21.33 | [timmeh] | but if im in root cant i set the password with usermod -pxxxx user ?? |
| 13:21.40 | initech | it's like $200K :) |
| 13:21.41 | Guerin | nope |
| 13:21.49 | [timmeh] | how am i ment to configure the password? |
| 13:21.57 | Guerin | [timmeh]: man passwd |
| 13:22.09 | Guerin | [timmeh]: and remove the [ from front of your nick |
| 13:22.14 | mihaly | I am having trouble with my X/Gnome desktop in my debian installation it wont start anymore... just hangs during the start-up off X. Last error line is: "Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!" |
| 13:22.18 | Paavo | Right. Wrote about the problem and the solution in http://jlaurila.blogspot.com/ |
| 13:22.21 | Guerin | i've almost said all this to tabris|away |
| 13:22.40 | valdyn | mihaly: that line is not a serious error. |
| 13:22.57 | Guerin | mihaly: that's a warning, not an error. There's a more proper one above it, starting with (EE) |
| 13:23.59 | mihaly | Guerin: I dont have any EE in the log |
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| 13:25.01 | e2e | mihaly: Look for "Fatal error" |
| 13:25.44 | mihaly | I had some WWs |
| 13:25.48 | raf256 | is there some more advanced tool to messure what it the bottelneck of given thing (like - should I change CPU, mem, hdd i/o speed to increase performence of compiling big c++ projects)? |
| 13:26.11 | mihaly | no fatal error either |
| 13:26.25 | initech | raf256: iostat, vmstat ? |
| 13:26.34 | valdyn | mihaly: run a plain 'X' as root from your shell. |
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| 13:26.46 | raf256 | initech: hmm but something to pares the results.... or good tutorial for interpreting them |
| 13:26.50 | raf256 | *pars |
| 13:27.13 | Mr_Smoke | damned ... hasn't anyone here run into that syslog + logrotate thing then :( |
| 13:27.23 | mihaly | valdyn: I have tryed startx from root and the same thing happens |
| 13:27.37 | raf256 | I wonder can recompilation of gcc with march=k8 give noticible speedup, it gives about 5-20% for other apps AFAIK |
| 13:27.44 | mihaly | (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on IGP320/330/340/350, 7000, 9000 integrated chips is the last WW i get but things happen after that |
| 13:27.49 | initech | raf256: well, if processes are stuck in iowait alot, it's IO. if cpu time is being eaten up, it's cpu. it's not that difficult |
| 13:27.50 | valdyn | mihaly: startx != X |
| 13:27.52 | e2e | mihaly: I think, you haven't read all of the log |
| 13:28.11 | mihaly | valdyn: how do i start plain X then? |
| 13:28.22 | initech | raf256: munin i find is nice for tracking stuff like that |
| 13:28.23 | e2e | mihaly: Use shipt + PageUp for reading rest of the log |
| 13:28.29 | valdyn | mihaly: by typeing in your shell: X<enter> |
| 13:28.53 | Eulex | mihaly, what card have you got? you're using the radeon driver? |
| 13:28.57 | mihaly | e2e: i have been looking in /var/log/XFree |
| 13:29.24 | mihaly | yes Ati Radoen.... |
| 13:29.32 | mihaly | it worked the other day :/ |
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| 13:30.14 | Eulex | mihaly, is Load "GLcore" and Load "dri" commented in XF86Config-4? |
| 13:30.32 | Eulex | mihaly, you did anything special that day? upgraded anything or such? |
| 13:30.37 | mihaly | valdyn: the samething happens when I tryed starting plain x |
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| 13:31.35 | mihaly | What I did was... I booted up some of my old kernels and tryed starting X with them and with one of them it looked and now X wont start at all |
| 13:32.19 | ecb404 | hallo, i have a little newbeequestion :) where i can see my ppp logfiles? |
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| 13:32.28 | Eulex | !newb |
| 13:32.29 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 13:32.35 | pureone | ./var/log most probley |
| 13:32.45 | ecb404 | ah, k ... thx! |
| 13:32.46 | initech | mihaly: i had tons of problems with older radeon drivers (the kernel driver) myself |
| 13:32.51 | pureone | !thx |
| 13:32.51 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
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| 13:33.00 | Eulex | !k |
| 13:33.00 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 13:33.03 | initech | dpkg: thnx |
| 13:33.03 | dpkg | any time, initech |
| 13:33.22 | ecb404 | cYa :D |
| 13:33.33 | mihaly | Eulex: I have GLcore and dri in my config file |
| 13:33.58 | mihaly | initech: The strang thing is that it worked the other day :( |
| 13:34.24 | initech | mihaly: i had the worst time getting that shit going, but these days it should just work |
| 13:34.36 | Eulex | mihaly, try commenting it out -- the radeon driver doesn't seem to support 3d acceleration for your card (whatever it is, you haven't told me) |
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| 13:35.27 | initech | mihaly: you're not loading the radeon fb driver or anything like that are you? |
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| 13:35.31 | mihaly | it supports 3d |
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| 13:35.43 | mihaly | its a 1 year old HP laptop |
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| 13:36.11 | dvs | mihaly: lspci | grep video |
| 13:36.25 | initech | mihaly: you could just try the fglrx proprietary one, it's actually very nice (but not free) |
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| 13:36.39 | mihaly | PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc PCI Bridge [IGP 340M] |
| 13:37.07 | Eulex | mihaly, sure, it supports 3d acceleration, but the radeon driver doesn't support 3d acceleration for your card (it seems like) |
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| 13:37.28 | dvs | mihaly: lspci | grep VGA |
| 13:37.48 | robin_sz | greetings earthlings |
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| 13:38.17 | mihaly | dvs: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device cbb2 (rev 02) thoes two are the only ATI stuff I get in lspci |
| 13:38.37 | Gnea | mihaly: update-pciids |
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| 13:39.15 | monk | anyone here run kino - specifically kinoplus? |
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| 13:39.40 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 13:39.40 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:40.07 | Mr_Smoke | hmm |
| 13:40.23 | Mr_Smoke | reminds me of our #linux bot |
| 13:40.32 | Eulex | heh |
| 13:40.34 | Mr_Smoke | Questions involving phrase "Has anyone ...." are not allowed. Explain problem and we'll try to help. Most of them belong to "yes or no" category |
| 13:40.47 | Mr_Smoke | + an URL to that "yes or no" |
| 13:41.15 | mihaly | Gnea: i run that it downloaded and installed what is it? :/ |
| 13:41.34 | monk | sorry |
| 13:41.40 | Gnea | mihaly: lspci :) |
| 13:41.41 | Mr_Smoke | you downloaded *that* ? wow. |
| 13:41.42 | monk | didn't realize that. |
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| 13:41.55 | mihaly | Eulex: I commected out GLcore and dri, no change |
| 13:42.09 | monk | ok - i'm trying to run kino and have access to the kinoplus plugins, but i just don't see them. |
| 13:42.24 | Eulex | mihaly, ok -- what does lspci show now? |
| 13:42.36 | mihaly | same |
| 13:42.43 | monk | i've got all the kino packages installed, and see /usr/lib/kino-gtk2 directory with the kinoplus files in it, but kino doesn't seem to be aware of them.... |
| 13:42.44 | ryushe | hi there, I get 'unable to open /dev/agpgart' when starting X. However, when I shut down the machine yesterday, X still worked. any ideas? |
| 13:43.15 | dvs | ryushe: forgot to load a module? |
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| 13:43.55 | ryushe | I tried modprobing agpgart and the specific module for the card, to no avail. Both get loaded, but it still won't start |
| 13:43.56 | Nesquick | anyone... |
| 13:43.57 | monk | do i need to do anything to make kino aware of the kinoplus plugins? |
| 13:43.59 | Eulex | mihaly, it shouldn't, lspci | grep VGA should know about your gfx card now and not just show unknown |
| 13:44.11 | Nesquick | i need de sid source list... |
| 13:44.30 | dvs | ryushe: Then look in the /var/log/XFree86.0.log for (EE) |
| 13:44.30 | Eulex | Nesquick, why? |
| 13:44.35 | Mr_Smoke | Nesquick, www.debian.org has it I guess |
| 13:44.45 | monk | or, is there a better room to ask about kino in than #debian? |
| 13:44.56 | ryushe | dvs: that just gives me the line "Unable to open /dev/agpgart" |
| 13:44.58 | Eulex | mihaly, and look in the xfree86 log for (EE) |
| 13:45.00 | Mr_Smoke | wtf is kino anyways |
| 13:45.11 | Eulex | ryushe, checked the permissions? |
| 13:45.23 | monk | Mr_Smoke: it's a video editing application |
| 13:45.34 | Mr_Smoke | ah well |
| 13:45.37 | Mr_Smoke | check their forum then |
| 13:45.38 | mihaly | http://www.student.lu.se/~ihpv03mba/ls |
| 13:45.49 | ryushe | the device doesn't exist. I tried ./MAKEDEV agpgart in /dev/ which gave no error, after that the device still doesn't exist |
| 13:46.08 | wishie | is there a command line program to simplly take an mpeg2 file (made with mencoder and the format=dvd option) and create a DVD-Video from it ? |
| 13:46.16 | monk | Mr_Smoke: there's not a #kino, nor anything like a #linux-video-editing, or #dv-<anything interesting> |
| 13:46.16 | Mr_Smoke | ryushe, you using NVIDIA + udev by any chance ? |
| 13:46.25 | wishie | i want to be able to automate it, from freevo... |
| 13:46.26 | Mr_Smoke | monk, the author's website maybe ? |
| 13:46.28 | ryushe | nope, i810 and udev |
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| 13:46.52 | monk | Mr_Smoke: yeah - i don't see contact info on the kinoplus page....lemme check kino proper...thx |
| 13:46.55 | Mr_Smoke | ryushe, you might want to dig the udev side of things, I can recall having a similar problem with nvidia .. |
| 13:47.00 | ryushe | strange thing is, as far as I know I didn't change anything, and it worked find when I shut it down yesterday |
| 13:47.08 | Mr_Smoke | ah |
| 13:47.11 | Gnea | mihaly: 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M |
| 13:47.16 | Gnea | mihaly: looks pretty clear to me |
| 13:47.30 | ryushe | this machine still is pretty stock installed with linux26 option |
| 13:47.37 | ryushe | was about to upgrade it to 2.6.12 |
| 13:47.49 | raf256 | I want to have /mnt/ram0 as a ramdisc of size 64 MB, to be created on each startup. How can I do it? |
| 13:48.09 | Eulex | ryushe, you did something special yesterday? |
| 13:48.16 | raf256 | it would be also nice to save it content while powering off the PC and restore it on bootup |
| 13:48.17 | ryushe | not that I know of |
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| 13:48.24 | mihaly | raf256: add it to /etc/fstab |
| 13:48.32 | ryushe | I installed the machine with the netinst iso, and that's it ;) |
| 13:48.38 | valdyn | raf256: what for? |
| 13:48.44 | raf256 | mihaly: hmm but I should gave commends to create the ramdisk first, right? |
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| 13:48.54 | Gnea | ryushe: good job |
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| 13:49.01 | raf256 | valdyn: to have very fast partition for some very variable files I need |
| 13:49.05 | mihaly | Eulex: I dont have any EE in my XFree log |
| 13:49.23 | ryushe | and changed the XF86Config file to have it use the i810 driver and the right resolution settings. After which it worked |
| 13:50.04 | mihaly | raf256: create ramdisk? you normaly use "mount -t tmpfs /dev/ram0 /mnt/<point>" |
| 13:50.18 | Eulex | mihaly, what was the error you got when you tried to start X? |
| 13:50.26 | mihaly | raf256: so just add it to fstab the way other stuff are in there |
| 13:50.33 | Gnea | !ramdisk |
| 13:50.33 | dpkg | somebody said ramdisk was a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
| 13:50.44 | mihaly | Eulex: no it just stops loading |
| 13:51.05 | Eulex | mihaly, define "just stops loading" |
| 13:51.06 | raf256 | where can I set size of /dev/ram0 ? |
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| 13:53.22 | mihaly | Normally it goes like this: You get the gridbackground and the mouse is an X. Then a Debian splash screen and icons comming up on the splash screen as thing are started and loaded and evanutally the desktop shows up and you can do your busisness.... now after the splash screen comes up nothing happens |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | raf256: did you try reading .. documentation ? |
| 13:54.10 | raf256 | abrotman: doing it now |
| 13:54.19 | Eulex | mihaly, define "nothing" |
| 13:54.20 | abrotman | so you asked us .. before reading ? |
| 13:54.23 | Guerin | raf256: no you're not |
| 13:54.27 | Guerin | you're talking on irc |
| 13:54.33 | raf256 | Guerin: Im multitasking |
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| 13:55.12 | Gnea | raf256: hello, did you not see the url that dpkg provided? |
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| 13:55.33 | raf256 | Gnea: Im readking that freaking URL now |
| 13:55.39 | Gnea | raf256: it's a very good read :) |
| 13:55.45 | Gnea | ha |
| 13:55.46 | mihaly | Eulex: the icons do not show up. nothing gets loaded and the cpu load is 0 when checking top |
| 13:55.49 | Guerin | raf256: no you're not. You can't. you've demonstraed 1000 times that when you're in #debian asking stupid rtfm questions, you're incapable of actually doing anything to help yourself. |
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| 13:56.00 | Gnea | !beer abrotman |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | Gnea: again ? .. |
| 13:56.15 | abrotman | !cheese Gnea |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | !cheesesmite Gnea |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:56.29 | Gnea | as Guerin gets teabagged |
| 13:56.33 | raf256 | !crawlsmite abrotman |
| 13:56.40 | valdyn | mihaly: thats not an X problem, that's a problem with your desktop environment. 'rm -r ~/.kde ~/.gnome' might fix that. |
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| 13:56.43 | abrotman | right |
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| 13:57.04 | abrotman | raf256: no .. actually Guerin proved his point |
| 13:57.09 | mihaly | the same thing happend when I tryed to start just plain 'X' |
| 13:57.10 | Eulex | mihaly, X is working very well. what ain't working is your desktop environment |
| 13:57.11 | bob2 | come on folks |
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| 13:57.29 | valdyn | mihaly: hardly, plain X doesnt show a splash screen. |
| 13:57.32 | Guerin | teabagged? |
| 13:57.33 | raf256 | abrotman: no, I just increatesed my ramdisc size (need to reboot though), so you are wrong \o/ |
| 13:57.37 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:57.42 | Guerin | come on, show just a tiny bit of class |
| 13:57.44 | abrotman | increased ? |
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| 13:57.59 | Gnea | oh trust me |
| 13:57.59 | abrotman | raf256: no .. he was right .. |
| 13:58.02 | Gnea | once you move to the uk |
| 13:58.04 | mihaly | with X i only got the gridbackground and the X pointer mounse |
| 13:58.11 | Gnea | you'll see plenty of class regarding the teabag |
| 13:58.11 | Gnea | ;) |
| 13:58.20 | valdyn | mihaly: .. which is all it does and should do. |
| 13:58.28 | raf256 | abrotman: well I did everything I wanted to do so far \o/ |
| 13:58.46 | Eulex | mihaly, what happens when you run startx? how far does it load? |
| 13:58.49 | raf256 | (besides actually ryhoabhtd you, but thats illegal) |
| 13:58.50 | abrotman | raf256: you're misisng the point .. you proved guerin right .. i don't care .. reboot .. test your ramdisk |
| 13:58.51 | mihaly | valdyn: should adding a new user and trying with that work instead of removing ~/.gnome? because I tryed that allready |
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| 13:59.10 | Gnea | abrotman: actually he proved Guerin wrong |
| 13:59.16 | mihaly | Eulex: it loads to the splash screen |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | Gnea: not really |
| 13:59.25 | raf256 | omg, you have issues ;) |
| 13:59.40 | abrotman | maybe so .. but they don't involve you :) |
| 13:59.40 | Gnea | abrotman: yes really, i put the url there and, after being badgered, he actually got off of his lazy ass and read it :) |
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| 13:59.56 | Eulex | mihaly, what splash screen? ie, what desktop environment are you running? |
| 14:00.03 | mihaly | gnome |
| 14:00.04 | Guerin | ok |
| 14:00.04 | abrotman | Gnea: instead of .. looking for the document himself .. he came here .. expected to be spoonfed |
| 14:00.09 | Guerin | let's see him do it again |
| 14:00.16 | abrotman | Gnea: he does it all the time |
| 14:00.28 | Gnea | abrotman: but then we didn't exactly know either - we knew how to find out, sure |
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| 14:00.46 | Gnea | abrotman: good, let him do it a few more times, he'll figure out how to do it on his own |
| 14:00.48 | abrotman | Gnea: but you also know how to find documents on your own .. aka .. google :) |
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| 14:01.12 | Eulex | mihaly, ok, I don't know that much about gnome -- what loads and what doesn't? do you get panels? do you get a desktop? etc |
| 14:01.20 | Gnea | abrotman: indeed, and i won't always be here to do that, so just save 'em to dpkg and let the bot's purpose continue :) |
| 14:01.32 | abrotman | Gnea: or google ? |
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| 14:01.50 | Gnea | hrm |
| 14:01.59 | abrotman | ok .. boring show in discovery .. i'm not sure who thought this was worthy of 2 hours |
| 14:02.05 | abrotman | err on discovery |
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| 14:02.26 | mihaly | no desktop, no panels |
| 14:02.26 | Gnea | you know, the googlebot claims to be online, yet it is non-functional |
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| 14:04.03 | abrotman | yay .. show on Route 66 much better! |
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| 14:04.23 | mihaly | Eulex: basiclly after the gridbackground, X mount pointer, splashscreen nothing loads |
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| 14:05.07 | mihaly | Eulex: I would say it looks but I can move the mouse and use Ctrl + Alt + backspace to stop it |
| 14:05.15 | Eulex | mihaly, I don't know much about gnome, I don't know what to do -- find someone who does or switch to another channel |
| 14:05.21 | irsad07 | sikerim lan |
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| 14:05.24 | irsad07 | hepinizi:D |
| 14:05.30 | Eulex | mihaly, yeah, X is running correctly, it's gnome that's messed up |
| 14:05.59 | mihaly | I'll try to reconfigure some more gnome packages then |
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| 14:07.12 | inigo | holas |
| 14:07.38 | tarzeau | jharrison, abrotman, jethro bub-n-bros ? |
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| 14:08.25 | visik7 | I've 2 repository that has some common package (don't ask me why 'couse it's too complicated to explain :) ) I want that apt take package X only from repository Y even if it's older |
| 14:08.28 | visik7 | how can I do ? |
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| 14:09.23 | wishie | i only seem to be getting around 5-10k/sec over my wireless lan, although iwconfig wlan0 shows 100/100 link quality..any ideas how i can work out why its so slow ? |
| 14:10.08 | mihaly | wishie: try to change channel on your AP |
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| 14:10.34 | mihaly | wishie: some wlan channels work really crapy in GNU/Linux |
| 14:10.34 | wishie | mihaly: will the box with the wireless card automatically change channel ? |
| 14:10.45 | mihaly | yes |
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| 14:10.52 | mihaly | once you reconnect to it |
| 14:10.56 | raf256 | I want a debian box to be masuarade (using iptables). But I also want to "spy" on the internet usage (like - tack & analyze connections) what tool will be good for that? |
| 14:10.56 | mihaly | once you reconnect to the AP |
| 14:11.20 | mihaly | raf256: etheral |
| 14:11.22 | wishie | mihaly: i need to login and tell that box to reconnect though, right ? cause it doesnt have a keyboard on it..its a freevo machine |
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| 14:11.45 | tarzeau | takatumi: ? |
| 14:11.47 | raf256 | mihaly: hmm yes but I wanted something to be left for days in background, and save only interesting/paresed data |
| 14:12.07 | Laibsch | I am new to configuring gtk1/2. How do I set the font to use for displaying Japanese characters under GTK2? |
| 14:12.11 | mihaly | yes that might be needed unless it sets up the wlan on boot |
| 14:12.25 | raf256 | is it a good idea to copy some very often used programs (like gcc, g++, binutils) into ramdisc and change thoes programs into symplinkst to RAM'ed version (ofc. saving also backups like gcc.org on hdd) ? |
| 14:12.28 | wishie | mihaly: it does set it up on boot.. |
| 14:12.40 | wishie | mihaly: any recommended channel ? |
| 14:12.43 | takisd | getting scsi errors trying to mount usb floppy. syas it can't read partition table - there isn't one!! any way to force it not to? mount option?? |
| 14:13.15 | abrotman | raf256: no .. they get copied to memory when ran anyways |
| 14:13.22 | mihaly | channel 6 works best for me |
| 14:13.36 | wishie | mihaly: mines on 6 already |
| 14:13.38 | mihaly | try to check if there are any other APs present |
| 14:13.41 | lildude | sarge is good? |
| 14:13.41 | raf256 | abrotman: hmm can I somehow analyze/debug current disk cache? |
| 14:13.49 | lildude | waht ram does sarge need? |
| 14:13.58 | wishie | mihaly: how do i check for other APs ? |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | raf256: cache .. not that i know of .. iostat will show blocks in/out etc |
| 14:14.00 | raf256 | lildude: what will you use on it? |
| 14:14.05 | mihaly | iwlist scan |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | lildude: 24ish ... |
| 14:14.17 | abrotman | lildude: not to run .. just install |
| 14:14.33 | lildude | 80 ram here |
| 14:14.37 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 14:14.40 | lildude | minimal install |
| 14:14.44 | raf256 | I want gcc g++ to be used only by users in group "compile" how to do that? |
| 14:14.53 | raf256 | just chmod+chgrp them? |
| 14:14.54 | lildude | fluxbox on it |
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| 14:15.41 | valdyn | raf256: to what purpose? if its readable / downloadable, then a user can get it to run. |
| 14:16.00 | wishie | mihaly: interesting..when i iwlist scan, it shows me AP as having 0/100 link quality |
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| 14:16.11 | raf256 | valdyn: user can write only to noexec partitions |
| 14:16.26 | abrotman | what ? |
| 14:16.28 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:16.30 | raf256 | hmm except tmp... |
| 14:16.31 | lildude | and what is comand to get kde |
| 14:16.33 | TestiCalls | how do you find a file, asside form find |
| 14:16.38 | mihaly | wishie: direction is very important with wlan... |
| 14:16.40 | raf256 | TestiCalls: locate |
| 14:16.40 | abrotman | !tell lildude about install kde |
| 14:16.49 | TestiCalls | k thanks raf |
| 14:16.50 | abrotman | lildude: but with 80MB .. that's going to suck .. BADLY |
| 14:16.58 | lildude | apt -get kde 3.1.4 install? |
| 14:17.06 | raf256 | apt-get install kde |
| 14:17.11 | mihaly | and other disturbing APs can mess things up aswell |
| 14:17.16 | wishie | mihaly: the freevo box is all of 4 metres from the AP |
| 14:17.18 | lildude | nope my p350 debian one wil run kde |
| 14:17.21 | abrotman | lildude: 80MB and KDE isn't a good mix |
| 14:17.42 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 14:17.43 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 14:17.44 | lildude | i have two box 350 for kde |
| 14:17.51 | raf256 | lildude: kde is a bit of overkill... at least use prelink for gods sake if you donw want each kde app to startup in loooong time |
| 14:18.08 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.33 | lildude | so is gnome bettter than kde |
| 14:18.33 | raf256 | how should I backup my ~/projects - meany text files as meany as binnaries... SNV? |
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| 14:18.44 | abrotman | lildude: for what kind of system ? |
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| 14:18.46 | wishie | mihaly: i changed the AP to channel 11, and the wireless reconnected by itself..seems to be alot quicker too.. |
| 14:18.53 | ryushe | lildude > that all depends on your own taste I guess |
| 14:19.04 | abrotman | lildude: CPU and RAM i mean |
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| 14:19.10 | mihaly | wishie: so it works good with channel 11 now? |
| 14:19.10 | abrotman | raf256: do you know what svn is ? |
| 14:19.20 | lildude | desk top system is p2 350 256 ram |
| 14:19.23 | lildude | that fro kde |
| 14:19.26 | raf256 | abrotman: this server-client tool for version controll |
| 14:19.35 | wishie | mihaly: better. about to test file transfer speed.. |
| 14:19.37 | abrotman | raf256: right .. you'd still have to back that up |
| 14:19.39 | raf256 | !tell abrotman about svn |
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| 14:19.54 | abrotman | raf256: i know more about svn than you do .. |
| 14:19.57 | raf256 | abrotman: but the SVN rep will be on other hdd |
| 14:20.04 | abrotman | i still can't believe you get paid to do that .. |
| 14:20.11 | raf256 | abrotman: no no. You know more about EVERYTHING then EVERYONE |
| 14:20.20 | abrotman | raf256: why not just use rsync between your drives ? |
| 14:20.22 | raf256 | abrotman: dont be jellous :P |
| 14:20.25 | wishie | mihaly: 1.1mb/sec. alot better than 5k/sec |
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| 14:20.31 | raf256 | abrotman: that rsync dounds like a good diea |
| 14:20.36 | mihaly | wishie: If it used to work with channel 6 and now the speed got reduced and when swiching channel to 11 got the speed back |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | raf256: i get paid to be an admin .. i'm certainly not jealous of you |
| 14:20.48 | mihaly | wishie: that can only mean one thing |
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| 14:20.54 | raf256 | abrotman: well I cane say exacly the same |
| 14:20.59 | mihaly | wishie: someone stole your channel! |
| 14:21.06 | abrotman | raf256: about what ? |
| 14:21.10 | raf256 | abrotman: plus I have possitive attitute towards life ;) |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | raf256: so do i .. just not about your skills :) |
| 14:21.35 | wishie | mihaly: might randomly try channels then i guess..see whats the best one |
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| 14:22.00 | raf256 | abrotman: why is that? I learned quite a lot about linux recently \o/ |
| 14:22.05 | mihaly | I would settle with what you got now |
| 14:22.13 | mihaly | but its up to you |
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| 14:22.19 | TestiCalls | raf256, i've located perl.. but two directories come up: usr/share/perl and usr/share/perl5 ... how do i know which is the actual perl i'm looking for? |
| 14:22.24 | abrotman | raf256: did you read the man page for rsync yet? ... will that help you accomplish your goal ? |
| 14:23.00 | abrotman | TestiCalls: what are you actually looking for ? |
| 14:23.06 | wishie | mihaly: well, i get slightly better again, with channel 1..so i might go channel fishing i think |
| 14:23.08 | raf256 | TestiCalls: which |
| 14:23.32 | kf4ebp | an update on unstable killed my xserver. Any known problems, or is it time to move to xorg? |
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| 14:23.49 | abrotman | kf4ebp: define .. killed |
| 14:23.55 | TestiCalls | well the place with all the scripts |
| 14:23.56 | raf256 | how can I allow user "foobar" to use apt-get and synaptics without "su"? sudo? |
| 14:23.58 | TestiCalls | so i can run perl scripts |
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| 14:24.07 | abrotman | TestiCalls: you want the perl binary ? |
| 14:24.13 | TestiCalls | ye i suppose |
| 14:24.20 | abrotman | which perl ... that's all |
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| 14:24.25 | abrotman | it will tell you exactly where it is |
| 14:24.27 | lildude | how do you get kde |
| 14:24.30 | valdyn | raf256: why the hell? an apt-get user can do _anything_, he might aswell be root |
| 14:24.32 | lildude | and start x |
| 14:24.32 | jetflash | whats this os like |
| 14:24.33 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 14:24.33 | dpkg | [install kde] In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 14:24.46 | kf4ebp | abrotman: the only message that seems aplicable is "missing agpgart" |
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| 14:24.59 | abrotman | kf4ebp: isn't agpgart a kernel thing ? |
| 14:25.05 | kf4ebp | I think so |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | right .. :) |
| 14:25.14 | raf256 | valdyn: ...? |
| 14:25.18 | TestiCalls | i'm looking for : /usr/bin/perl |
| 14:25.19 | kf4ebp | hmmm |
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| 14:25.30 | abrotman | TestiCalls: you're saying you don't have perl installed ? |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | TestiCalls: on my system that is where perl lives |
| 14:25.45 | TestiCalls | i should i did an apt-get install and it said i t was instlalled |
| 14:25.46 | raf256 | valdyn: well I prefer that then doing su each time I want to run synaptics |
| 14:25.47 | abrotman | kf4ebp: you checked the X logs ? |
| 14:25.49 | takisd | what does Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary from fdisk? |
| 14:26.00 | kf4ebp | I'm on it. bbl |
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| 14:26.17 | TestiCalls | nm i think i know what's up |
| 14:26.21 | TestiCalls | thanks guys |
| 14:26.21 | lildude | is there disk tools in kde on sarge |
| 14:26.23 | TestiCalls | i was being stupid |
| 14:26.33 | raf256 | how can I write down a list of all files read/write in given time? |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | man find |
| 14:26.41 | raf256 | like FileMonitor tool for win32 |
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| 14:27.06 | lildude | like disk manaour in xp |
| 14:27.15 | lildude | like onr in mandrake |
| 14:27.18 | abrotman | lildude: df -h ? |
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| 14:27.26 | TestiCalls | how do you dir per page |
| 14:27.39 | Eulex | !wayyttd lildude |
| 14:27.45 | Eulex | !wayttd lildude |
| 14:27.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lildude? |
| 14:27.47 | abrotman | TestiCalls: | less or | more |
| 14:27.52 | ecb404 | anyone german here? |
| 14:28.01 | abrotman | !german |
| 14:28.01 | dpkg | german is, like, #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 14:28.30 | lildude | make slave be formted and seen bye sarge |
| 14:28.38 | abrotman | ecb404: no freaking way .. DON"T DO THAT |
| 14:28.47 | TestiCalls | abrotman sorry i didn't understand what you meant |
| 14:28.54 | ecb404 | oh, thanks |
| 14:28.57 | Eulex | lildude, cfdisk? |
| 14:28.59 | abrotman | TestiCalls: ls | more .. or ls | less |
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| 14:29.11 | Eulex | lildude, and add it to your /etc/fstab? |
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| 14:29.30 | lildude | yeah il do that |
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| 14:29.58 | lildude | i like to run partion tools inside kde |
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| 14:30.32 | Pred1 | after kernel compile when i boot the new kernel 1 get only a blank screen with flashing prompt on the bottom, what can be wrong? |
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| 14:30.55 | abrotman | Pred1: you compiled your own kernel |
| 14:31.38 | Pred1 | but what can be missing? |
| 14:31.49 | Phated | Oh, the loaded gun. |
| 14:32.00 | abrotman | the stuff that works |
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| 14:32.12 | abrotman | Pred1: unless you have a good reason .. don't compile your own kernel |
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| 14:32.56 | Eulex | Pred1, if you don't use an initrd (most people don't), you need to compile in support for your root fs and you ide/scsi controller |
| 14:33.06 | outlaw84 | how do i force dpkg to reinstall something? |
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| 14:33.15 | abrotman | outlaw84: man apt-get |
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| 14:33.47 | outlaw84 | abrotman: so I should do a nasty remove/install? |
| 14:33.53 | Pred1 | Eulex: i know, but when i forget that i get error message, but now not |
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| 14:34.08 | dk0r | ll, my guess is that those are the wrong parameters |
| 14:34.08 | dk0r | <jao> but, if someone has the whole config |
| 14:34.08 | dk0r | <jao> just grub it |
| 14:34.08 | dk0r | <jao> grab |
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| 14:34.14 | lildude | bye all il be back latter |
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| 14:34.43 | dk0r | Anyone have a working XFree86 config for a 17" Powerbook? Cant get my display working & I think the values for my HorizSync nd VertSync parameters are incorrect. |
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| 14:35.00 | dk0r | someone told me to pull it from the ubuntu live ppc cd, but i cant find it on the in the iso |
| 14:35.12 | abrotman | outlaw84: you just asked how to reinstall |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 14:35.25 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | dk0r: ^ |
| 14:35.46 | nicholas | Ok, an upgrade (with reboot) in the past 2 hours just blew away most of the devices in /dev. No mouse0, no mixer... what happened? |
| 14:35.54 | dk0r | thats ok abrot |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 14:36.25 | dk0r | im looking for someone to help me. not shrug off. |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | maybe we should have someone put in the topic that sid is totally fucked today :) |
| 14:36.32 | outlaw84 | who makes up all these autoreplays for dpkg? :) |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | dk0r: i'm pointing you to #debianppc .. where people use apple laptops |
| 14:37.06 | dk0r | oh. yes my apologies. misunderstood. debianppc is dead |
| 14:37.07 | abrotman | dk0r: your chances of getting help are much higher there |
| 14:37.09 | dk0r | has been for days |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | dk0r: ah ok .. sorry |
| 14:37.17 | dk0r | np. |
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| 14:37.49 | abrotman | dk0r: not a large number of apple people here .. did you check linux-laptop.net ? |
| 14:37.55 | dk0r | do u know where i can find "XF86Config-4" on the ubuntu live cd? |
| 14:38.00 | dk0r | nope. will now tho. |
| 14:38.27 | Eulex | dk0r, ask in #ubuntu about where to find that thing |
| 14:38.37 | abrotman | which i imagine is generated on boot |
| 14:39.22 | dk0r | my powerbook is not listed there (17" 1.5 ati) |
| 14:39.26 | outlaw84 | I am running irssi how do I shutdown just one channel without exiting the application |
| 14:39.34 | wishie | /part |
| 14:39.35 | dk0r | eulex.. heh. good idea :) |
| 14:39.46 | migma | outlaw84: /part |
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| 14:39.53 | abrotman | dk0r: http://jodok.muellers.ms/linuxppc/files/XF86Config-4 ... tried it ? |
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| 14:41.51 | dk0r | ty. thats an older revision powerbook. but i will try |
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| 14:42.35 | nicholas | ok, udev got upgraded, and on reboot many (not tty or hd, thankfully) were missing. |
| 14:43.02 | zth_ | hey. i'm gonna run debian as a server... is there any wiki or anything availible? I need to unlock repos and that kinda stuff |
| 14:43.02 | Phated | I think "22:35 < abrotman> | maybe we should have someone put in the topic that sid is totally fucked today :)" might be relevant. |
| 14:43.19 | nicholas | Phated: thanks. :) |
| 14:43.27 | Phated | No problem. |
| 14:43.37 | nicholas | I'm guessing it's 317332. |
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| 14:44.04 | newdebusr | anyone know anything about the promise tx4000 ata raid card? |
| 14:44.20 | abrotman | need more info |
| 14:44.33 | outlaw84 | newdebusr: really good question :D |
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| 14:44.56 | mage_ | newdebusr: I've a TX4 here (4 serial ata port, without RAID) |
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| 14:45.36 | newdebusr | I'm trying to get it to show up as single disks for software md raid |
| 14:45.39 | mwilson | Phated: I've not updated in over a week... what's broken now? |
| 14:45.54 | nicholas | mwilson: udev. |
| 14:46.02 | newdebusr | mage_: what driver did you use? |
| 14:46.04 | mage_ | I'm running software raid too (raid 5) |
| 14:46.05 | Eulex | zth_, "unlock repos"? |
| 14:46.06 | nicholas | mwilson: I just got bit, that's why I'm here. |
| 14:46.07 | mwilson | nicholas: Didn't ask you. |
| 14:46.17 | mage_ | newdebusr: the driver which is in the kernel |
| 14:46.28 | Phated | mwilson: udev, apparently. |
| 14:46.29 | mwilson | nicholas: People who use udev deserve what happens to them. |
| 14:46.40 | zth_ | Eulex, i dunno really, in ubuntu i have to add extra (universe, multiverse, non-free) repos, maybe that's done by default in debian? |
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| 14:46.57 | nicholas | mwilson: yeah, I much preferred static dev. |
| 14:47.02 | jeffro | hello |
| 14:47.05 | Phated | Why'd you change, then? |
| 14:47.15 | mwilson | nicholas: And so you blindly updated because...? |
| 14:47.20 | newdebusr | mage_: did it auto-detect ? |
| 14:47.21 | green_earz | newdebusr: here is a software raid 1 howto it should help > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 14:47.24 | abrotman | mwilson: seems people having problems with X among others |
| 14:47.25 | mage_ | newdebusr: yes |
| 14:47.29 | mage_ | I use mdadm |
| 14:47.33 | nicholas | I was told to by another person who lives in the house. |
| 14:47.34 | mwilson | (oh, wait...my mistake. Typical unstable user) |
| 14:47.36 | jeffro | i have some problems with starting programs |
| 14:47.37 | Eulex | zth_, you should not need to do that in debian -- maybe add contrib and non-free repos to your sources.list if you need any package from there |
| 14:47.50 | wishie | i still use the old static dev tree, and i see no reason to change really. |
| 14:47.56 | mage_ | but compile the driver in the kernel, not ad a module |
| 14:48.01 | zth_ | Eulex, ok thx |
| 14:48.07 | Eulex | !thx |
| 14:48.08 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 14:48.34 | mwilson | ah, it's pdftk that's requiring amd64-libs |
| 14:48.39 | zth_ | Eulex, THANKS then :p |
| 14:48.41 | jeffro | i downloaded a few programs from the internet like VisualBoyAdvance but when i doubleclick the executeable nothing happens |
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| 14:48.53 | newdebusr | i have set up software raid with a 3ware card by changing the 3ware bios to jbod mode but I can not find any such setting in the promise tx4000 raid bios... so how can I get it to show linux the single disks not building a hardware array |
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| 14:49.03 | jeffro | i had this problem with bitchx too but bitchx worked when i used apt-get to get it |
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| 14:49.15 | jeffro | so whats the problem o_0 |
| 14:49.25 | Phated | Uhm. Heh. |
| 14:49.39 | Phated | You're funny. |
| 14:49.49 | jeffro | ......... |
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| 14:49.58 | Adrius | lol |
| 14:50.01 | jeffro | could someone give me a hand.. |
| 14:50.06 | uc | job? |
| 14:50.09 | Adrius | everyone freeze, this is an irc stickup. don't move or i'll DoS ya. gimme all the voice |
| 14:50.11 | mwilson | hm... bother filing a bug, or wait |
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| 14:50.28 | tarzeau | debian sucks |
| 14:50.32 | abrotman | mwilson: on what ? |
| 14:50.34 | jeffro | it doesnt |
| 14:50.35 | Adrius | bah |
| 14:50.36 | abrotman | !suck tarzeau |
| 14:50.36 | Adrius | lame people |
| 14:50.47 | Eulex | jeffro, run it from a terminal emulator |
| 14:50.55 | Mr_Smoke | tarzeau, you ... swiss .... |
| 14:50.58 | tarzeau | anyone wants to sponsor new software? |
| 14:50.59 | Phated | Man, dpkg has some weird fetishes. |
| 14:51.02 | tarzeau | Mr_Smoke: no I AM NOT SWISS |
| 14:51.03 | jeffro | what is a terminal emulator? |
| 14:51.11 | jeffro | you mean starting a terminal |
| 14:51.17 | Mr_Smoke | tee hee |
| 14:51.18 | [SpooK] | anyone know where I could find the Debian IRC channel? |
| 14:51.20 | jeffro | where i do apt-get and stuff |
| 14:51.21 | abrotman | like xterm |
| 14:51.21 | Eulex | jeffro, yes, xterm etc |
| 14:51.22 | Mr_Smoke | french ? even worse :) |
| 14:51.28 | abrotman | [SpooK]: instead of this one ? |
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| 14:51.32 | jeffro | ill try |
| 14:51.35 | tarzeau | [SpooK]: you're right in TEH one |
| 14:51.41 | Phated | jeffro: Was it a .exe? |
| 14:51.42 | tarzeau | [SpooK]: and your nickname sucks badly |
| 14:51.47 | mwilson | abrotman: On pdftk |
| 14:51.47 | Phated | (please, FFS, say no.) |
| 14:51.50 | [SpooK] | I'm looking for THE one |
| 14:51.52 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:51.58 | newdebusr | mage_: do you know which driver you would have used if you manually started the driver for your tx4 using modprobe? |
| 14:52.00 | Eulex | Phated, hehe |
| 14:52.00 | mwilson | abrotman: Suddenly it requires amd64-libs |
| 14:52.00 | tarzeau | [SpooK]: man THIS is it! |
| 14:52.01 | abrotman | [SpooK]: i am the one |
| 14:52.03 | Phated | [SpooK]: This -is- it, you twit. |
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| 14:52.08 | [SpooK] | no shit |
| 14:52.09 | [SpooK] | fools |
| 14:52.13 | [SpooK] | you'll see |
| 14:52.13 | mwilson | abrotman: And lib64gcc1 |
| 14:52.13 | Phated | [SpooK]: Your nick sucks, too. |
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| 14:52.15 | [SpooK] | you'll all see |
| 14:52.16 | Mr_Smoke | tarzeau, you .... french swiss ! |
| 14:52.18 | jeffro | dont know |
| 14:52.21 | jeffro | in kde |
| 14:52.22 | tarzeau | Mr_Smoke: no. i'm turkish swiss |
| 14:52.24 | abrotman | [SpooK]: is that it ? |
| 14:52.25 | Adrius | whooptiedoo |
| 14:52.25 | [SpooK] | Windows foreverrrrrrr 11210932121!! |
| 14:52.26 | jeffro | i shows a round gear |
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| 14:52.27 | Phated | Ok, giving up now. |
| 14:52.33 | tarzeau | Mr_Smoke: actually i'm not swiss |
| 14:52.34 | abrotman | ok ... |
| 14:52.36 | Mr_Smoke | this is insane ... |
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| 14:52.42 | mwilson | abrotman: libgcj6 has suddenly inherited 64-bit dependencies on i386 |
| 14:52.44 | Eulex | !sunday |
| 14:52.45 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:52.48 | mage_ | newdebusr: mmh non, I always compile it in the kernel |
| 14:52.53 | Mr_Smoke | Eulex, so true. |
| 14:52.55 | abrotman | mwilson: oh .. that's cute |
| 14:53.09 | Mr_Smoke | Eulex, do you have one about .pl kiddies on friday evenings ? |
| 14:53.13 | mage_ | newdebusr: did you add scsi disk support in the kernel ? and serial ata ? |
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| 14:53.53 | newdebusr | mage_: yea but not serialata, its an ata card. maybe i should try that anyway |
| 14:53.57 | mwilson | abrotman: Yeah, ain't it? The relevant bug is 317051 |
| 14:54.05 | Eulex | Mr_Smoke, umh... dpkg might have something like that -- I didn't add the sunday factoid to him |
| 14:54.30 | Phated | It's not as though you're the only one who can add factoids. |
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| 14:54.35 | Mr_Smoke | oki |
| 14:54.42 | jeffro | it seems to do something at last |
| 14:54.53 | jeffro | but i thaught visualboyadvance had a gui |
| 14:54.59 | abrotman | mwilson: looks like a good fubar |
| 14:54.59 | Mr_Smoke | im looking for our "ne1" factoid |
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| 14:55.07 | Phated | !ne1 |
| 14:55.07 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 14:55.08 | jeffro | i have to type every name over |
| 14:55.12 | jeffro | xD |
| 14:55.14 | Phated | Mr_Smoke: ... and? |
| 14:55.14 | mmiikkee12 | How do I install Debian without burning CD's? |
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| 14:55.21 | mage_ | mmiikkee12: with floppy |
| 14:55.28 | Mr_Smoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.32 | Phated | jeffro: Where, precisely, did you download this from? |
| 14:55.33 | Mr_Smoke | quite similar :) |
| 14:55.44 | jeffro | http://vba.ngemu.com |
| 14:55.51 | jeffro | something like that |
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| 14:55.57 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:56.02 | mmiikkee12 | yeah, but what floppy? I didn't know 3.1 could install from floppies |
| 14:56.03 | mwilson | abrotman: I'd really like the odbc breakage to get fixed. |
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| 14:56.13 | Bluez99 | HI all , how is it going this morning (morning for me) |
| 14:56.19 | migma | !d-i |
| 14:56.19 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 14:56.24 | mwilson | mmiikkee12: Never bothered to actually read the installation guide, huh> |
| 14:56.26 | dk0r | How do i do this in debian pcc ?: dk0r: then try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose the lcd option in the question sequence (lcds dont have horiz and vert refresh to my knowledge) |
| 14:56.30 | abrotman | mwilson: hey .. there were bugs in sarge i wanted fixed before release .. but noooo .. on a schedule |
| 14:56.33 | mmiikkee12 | yes, I did... |
| 14:56.45 | Bluez99 | I'm still puzzle with a few things with my debian install :) I did like KDE better than Gnome, so At least , that is decided :) |
| 14:56.50 | abrotman | dk0r: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 14:56.55 | abrotman | dk0r: you're running debian right ? |
| 14:56.58 | mwilson | abrotman: Oh, I don't care about Sarge. |
| 14:56.59 | dk0r | yes. ppc |
| 14:57.02 | Phated | jeffro: You -did- download the Linux version, didn't you? |
| 14:57.05 | jeffro | i dled version 1.7.1 |
| 14:57.10 | jeffro | Linux - SDL - glibc22 |
| 14:57.10 | abrotman | mwilson: i know .. but bugs just seem to linger |
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| 14:57.21 | Phated | jeffro: It's not an executable. |
| 14:57.30 | jeffro | i unzipped it |
| 14:57.31 | Bluez99 | In any event, I have a few things I want to configure. The first, is how to configure power managment for my laptop, because Is not working well, or disable it all together |
| 14:57.33 | mmiikkee12 | I couldn't install with the hd-media images, loadlin said it was an invalid compressed image format |
| 14:57.57 | jeffro | Phated: i unzipped it first |
| 14:57.57 | Phated | jeffro: I don't suppose you're capable of reading the README, if one actually exists. Or the documentation probably available on the page. |
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| 14:58.07 | jeffro | i did |
| 14:58.13 | jeffro | its all about settings |
| 14:58.16 | jeffro | or windows |
| 14:58.24 | jeffro | i have the windows version too |
| 14:58.27 | jeffro | i has a gui |
| 14:58.36 | Phated | Stop. Fucking. Hitting. Enter. |
| 14:58.44 | mwilson | <sigh> Upgrading unstable piecemeal is getting old. |
| 14:58.47 | jeffro | ook i will |
| 14:58.53 | tarzeau | LOL |
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| 14:59.35 | Mr_Smoke | *why* or *why* does sysklogd *ALSO* have to rotate the logs |
| 14:59.38 | jeffro | but its strange, i seem to b incapleble of running executeables |
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| 14:59.48 | jeffro | when i tried to dl firefox |
| 14:59.50 | tarzeau | Mr_Smoke: becuase it sucks? |
| 14:59.55 | mwilson | Mr_Smoke: Is there some reason why it shouldn't? |
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| 14:59.59 | SiCoTiCo | hola |
| 15:00.02 | tarzeau | jeffro: did you download it using apt-get ? |
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| 15:00.05 | jeffro | and install it i had to doubleclick the shell scripts |
| 15:00.07 | jeffro | no |
| 15:00.08 | tarzeau | !nickometer SiCoTiCo |
| 15:00.08 | dpkg | 'SiCoTiCo' is 99.940% lame, tarzeau |
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| 15:00.11 | jeffro | vba not |
| 15:00.11 | abrotman | Mr_Smoke: it's not supposed to |
| 15:00.15 | tarzeau | jeffro: DON'T |
| 15:00.17 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, because logrotate does that already, and because then you end up with two cron tasks doing the same thing ? |
| 15:00.20 | Phated | I don't suppose you tried just running the command from a command line, did you? |
| 15:00.27 | Leon_ | hi |
| 15:00.28 | Mr_Smoke | abrotman, well, default sysklogd entry in /etc/cron.daily does just that |
| 15:00.39 | Mr_Smoke | abrotman, and sysklogd came OOTB in debian testing |
| 15:00.40 | tarzeau | jeffro: if you have debian, use apt-get to install software |
| 15:00.40 | jeffro | i am using apt-get |
| 15:00.40 | Leon_ | how can I make php work? |
| 15:00.41 | SiCoTiCo | i need repositoriso debian-amd64 for ubuntu64 , and i have alioth and this not run |
| 15:00.46 | jeffro | but |
| 15:00.49 | jeffro | vba |
| 15:00.49 | Leon_ | any guides about this? |
| 15:00.51 | kf4ebp | jeffro: if I remember correctly....apt-get install firefox |
| 15:00.53 | tarzeau | jeffro: why do you doubleclick shell scripts? |
| 15:00.53 | jeffro | isnt on the servers |
| 15:00.55 | abrotman | Mr_Smoke: uhm .. i'm pretty sure logrotate does it |
| 15:01.00 | abrotman | SiCoTiCo: wrong channel |
| 15:01.03 | tarzeau | jeffro: yes it is. can you learn apt-cache search ? |
| 15:01.03 | mwilson | Mr_Smoke: Except that (a) not everyone has logrotate, (b) they don't rotate the same things, (c) you don't end up with two cron tasks doing the same thing. But don't let the facts get in the way, after all. |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 15:01.05 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 15:01.27 | jeffro | i ment VISUALBOYADVANCE isnt on the servers |
| 15:01.46 | Mr_Smoke | abrotman, if you have sysklogd installed, maybe you could check in your cron.daily ? |
| 15:01.56 | jeffro | so |
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| 15:01.58 | Phated | No, you fucker, it isn't, but there IS what MIGHT be a fucking EXECUTABLE in the tarball. Have you, perhaps, even ATTEMPTED to fun it? |
| 15:02.02 | Phated | s/fun/run/ |
| 15:02.08 | jeffro | is there anyway to install vba with a gui? |
| 15:02.09 | SiCoTiCo | i need help for debian-amd64 ecauso i dont understand if arch amd64 is officcial |
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| 15:02.14 | mwilson | abrotman: I think he's gotten some idea from somewhere that logrotate and syslogkd compete. |
| 15:02.16 | Phated | My god, he's an idiot. |
| 15:02.25 | jeffro | ...... |
| 15:02.26 | jeffro | im not |
| 15:02.32 | Phated | kf4ebp: mozilla-firefox, actually. |
| 15:02.36 | Eulex | jeffro, apt-get install mozilla-firefox visualboyadvance |
| 15:02.37 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, what puzzles me actually, to be precise, is that I have two identical (or nrealy so) setups using debian sarge and sysklogd ... one rotates syslog daily, the other weekly. go figure. |
| 15:02.37 | kf4ebp | jeffro: get synaptic package manager |
| 15:02.44 | kf4ebp | Phated: I stand corrected |
| 15:03.06 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, and I stand corrected : logrotate doesn't rotate syslog, just checked. Thanks for pointing that out. |
| 15:03.07 | Phated | jeffro: ehm... You -can- apt-get vba. |
| 15:03.08 | Bluez99 | another thing is wireless... I have a wireless integraded card in my laptop, but I don't know how to configure... I have been reading the how to and other stuff (there is so much) but I have not been able to find everything I need to configure... |
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| 15:03.32 | mwilson | Mr_Smoke: And, of course, inspecting them to learn why the behaviors are different is something that you, as the admin, would never, ever, want to do. |
| 15:03.42 | jeffro | omg |
| 15:04.00 | jeffro | ok phated now explain how is that possible |
| 15:04.09 | Phated | jeffro: apt-get install visualboyadvance? |
| 15:04.15 | jeffro | i have searched the whole server |
| 15:04.17 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, no need to be so spiteful. I've spent the afternoon on this. Until now, logrotate did the job until I migrated and got this sysklogd thingie. |
| 15:04.20 | jeffro | yes |
| 15:04.28 | jeffro | i searched on the webpage |
| 15:04.28 | kf4ebp | anyone, besides me, having X problems on unstable? |
| 15:04.39 | Phated | jeffro: Not. The. FUCKING. WEBPAGE. |
| 15:04.47 | tarzeau | kf4ebp: no, read the topic |
| 15:04.50 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:04.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:04.51 | mwilson | kf4ebp: Any particular reason why you expect people to guess whatever problem you think you're having is? |
| 15:04.51 | zOap | wha command tells me how many unread mail I have in /var/mail/? |
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| 15:04.55 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, the fact is that I thought logrotate would *still* handle syslog since I had no idea the log rotating could be done by sysklogd itself on a daily basis. |
| 15:04.59 | jeffro | i used it too see what packages there are on the servers |
| 15:05.09 | kf4ebp | xfree86 you moron |
| 15:05.11 | tarzeau | zOap: cat /var/mail/YOURMAILBOX |grep ^Subject: |wc -l |
| 15:05.23 | mwilson | Mr_Smoke: Of course, syslogkd has been rotating logs by itself for a very long time. |
| 15:05.23 | zOap | tarzeau, thanks:) |
| 15:05.23 | Phated | jeffro: Uhm... why? When you could... in an TERMINAL, type "apt-get install visualboyadvance"? |
| 15:05.24 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, nevertheless, after reading the cron.daily sysklogd entry, I still don't get why it doesn't *always* rotate daily ... |
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| 15:05.37 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, then I wasn't using sysklogd before. |
| 15:05.54 | jeffro | cause i always search for aps |
| 15:06.03 | Leon_ | can anyone help? when I try to install a package via apt-get, I get the following error, how can I fix this? |
| 15:06.03 | Leon_ | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `amavis' in statusoverride file |
| 15:06.03 | Leon_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 15:06.06 | jeffro | is ALL software on the servers or sumthing |
| 15:06.15 | tarzeau | Leon_: sarge? |
| 15:06.20 | Phated | jeffro: Did you, perhaps, even BOTHER to apt-cache search? |
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| 15:06.25 | Phated | Apparently not. |
| 15:06.26 | mwilson | kf4ebp: Wow... I don't think anyone ever knew that with such a large, complex piece of software as XFree, there was only ONE possible problem anyone could have with it! |
| 15:06.36 | jeffro | i know that now |
| 15:06.38 | Leon_ | tarzeau: yes |
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| 15:06.45 | jeffro | got another problem now |
| 15:06.48 | jeffro | i installed it |
| 15:06.52 | mwilson | kf4ebp: Do you think you might enlighten someone as to what that one possible problem might be? |
| 15:06.54 | jeffro | but where do i run it |
| 15:06.58 | Phated | Nope, it's someone else's turn. I give up on you. |
| 15:07.00 | kf4ebp | mwilson: since you are so quick to jump on me..... |
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| 15:07.04 | Leon_ | tarzeau: I installed and removed amavis, however it left some trash behind. |
| 15:07.04 | jeffro | typing visualboyadvance |
| 15:07.08 | jeffro | does not work |
| 15:07.10 | kf4ebp | it happened with this mornings upgrade |
| 15:07.12 | tarzeau | Leon_: checked BTS yet? |
| 15:07.26 | Eulex | !tell jeffro about enter |
| 15:07.27 | Leon_ | tarzeau: such as the amavis user, I removed it from etc/passwd manually. |
| 15:07.32 | kf4ebp | I was wondering if some of the more thoughtfull people in the world might have experienced the same problem |
| 15:07.34 | tarzeau | Leon_: OUF |
| 15:07.35 | Leon_ | tarzeau: what is BTS? |
| 15:07.39 | tarzeau | Leon_: why oh why do you do that? |
| 15:07.41 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 15:07.42 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 15:07.45 | Phated | Leon_: And you run unstable? |
| 15:07.47 | Phated | Hahaha. |
| 15:07.50 | tarzeau | !topicbadger Leon_ |
| 15:07.51 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Leon_ didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 15:07.52 | jeffro | nvm i see that it is VERY case sensitive |
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| 15:08.06 | mwilson | kf4ebp: Gee, and how will anyone know if they're experiencing the same problem if you can't be bothered to tell anyone what the problem IS? |
| 15:08.27 | Phated | Awww, poor little thing doesn't know how to use tab-complete. Or, apparently, the KDE menus, either. |
| 15:08.29 | Leon_ | tarzeau: because i removed the amavis via apt-get and i didnt want a user named amavis. |
| 15:08.38 | Eulex | jeffro, it's name is vba -- and use dpkg -L package in the future to see what files a package has installed |
| 15:08.40 | tarzeau | Leon_: do you prefer the axe in your head or in your genitals? |
| 15:08.49 | jeffro | ok |
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| 15:09.13 | jeffro | one question: if the software isnt on apt-get how do you get it then |
| 15:09.14 | kf4ebp | I can see that channel #debian has fallen into juvenile hell. I'll go somewhere where adults hang out |
| 15:09.16 | kf4ebp | ?part |
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| 15:09.27 | Mr_Smoke | gee, Sunday indeed |
| 15:09.33 | Leon_ | tarzeau: i dont understand this humilitating of newbies |
| 15:09.46 | Leon_ | tarzeau: i look for help, therefore i am here. |
| 15:09.48 | Phated | jeffro: Considering you haven't even learnt apt-get, one doesn't think you should attempt compilation of software. |
| 15:10.01 | jeffro | i already done that |
| 15:10.10 | tarzeau | Leon_: well really check the bts, it might be a bug |
| 15:10.16 | jeffro | i compiled sdl |
| 15:10.21 | jeffro | from the source |
| 15:10.26 | jeffro | and installed it |
| 15:10.26 | Eulex | jeffro, why???? |
| 15:10.31 | Phated | Aren't you clever, then. Have fun, then. tata. |
| 15:10.32 | tarzeau | Leon_: if you make a user, you remove it. if a package makes a user, the package should remove it |
| 15:10.33 | jeffro | sorry for the enters |
| 15:10.52 | jeffro | cause it wouldnt work from the apt-get |
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| 15:10.56 | Leon_ | tarzeau: well obviously amavis did not remove its user completely. |
| 15:11.01 | Mr_Smoke | mwilson, ok, so it seems that sysklogd comes with a couple of cron scripts, and that its default behaviour is to rotate the files daily. So just removing the cron.daily would do the trick. Thanks. |
| 15:11.07 | tarzeau | Leon_: did you remove the package with --purge ? |
| 15:11.12 | jeffro | i got a damn message saying dependensiec problems |
| 15:11.13 | Eulex | jeffro, if you are a debian n00b and you do that, you will probably mess up your system if you compile lots of stuff |
| 15:11.20 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 15:11.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:11.24 | Eulex | btw, brb |
| 15:11.25 | tarzeau | Leon_: can you check the package source for it? |
| 15:11.37 | jeffro | most is well now |
| 15:11.44 | Phated | Dep problems... jeffro, which version of Debian -are- you running? |
| 15:11.51 | Leon_ | tarzeau: i dont think i am that far. |
| 15:11.59 | jeffro | first installed it with kanotix |
| 15:12.02 | Phated | HAH. |
| 15:12.10 | jeffro | then upgraded with distro-upgrade |
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| 15:12.26 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite jeffro. |
| 15:12.27 | Phated | Thank you for wasting everyone's time. Have a good day, now, and please do collect your complimentary stab in the face on the way out. |
| 15:12.37 | jeffro | ........ |
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| 15:12.48 | websdale | Phated:nice one :) |
| 15:13.03 | tarzeau | Leon_: vay, gelsene #debian.tr |
| 15:13.03 | Phated | You haven't known me long enough to me smileying at me, you. |
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| 15:13.22 | jeffro | its still debian with automatic hardware reckonation |
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| 15:13.51 | Phated | Sure it is. |
| 15:13.51 | jeffro | and kanotix and other channels dont offer support damnit |
| 15:14.01 | Phated | Which is why we actually use "Debian". |
| 15:14.11 | mwilson | jeffro: And since they're incompetent, that means #debian has to do it? |
| 15:14.22 | Phated | Let's see. There was a factoid... |
| 15:14.24 | usn | hi all |
| 15:14.25 | Phated | !they don't know |
| 15:14.25 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:14.27 | jeffro | all the commands are from debian |
| 15:14.27 | Leon_ | but this situation prevents me from installing or configuring any package via dpkg |
| 15:14.31 | Phated | There we go. |
| 15:14.33 | Bluez99 | am I not asking the rigth question, because I don't see to ever get an answer? |
| 15:14.36 | Eulex | jeffro, that is neither kanotix nor debian, that is a hybrid |
| 15:14.37 | jeffro | it still is debian |
| 15:14.50 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 15:14.50 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 15:14.52 | mwilson | jeffro: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 15:14.54 | websdale | Phated:no I don't but you have brightened a boring sunday in south london |
| 15:14.56 | Ronin | nope ts based on debian |
| 15:15.00 | migma | jeffro: kanotix != debian |
| 15:15.02 | tarzeau | jeffro: it's not debian |
| 15:15.03 | Phated | If it -were-, apt-get would have worked to install sdl. |
| 15:15.08 | Eulex | jeffro, it ain't => not supported here |
| 15:15.13 | Phated | websdale: Ah. Fair enough. |
| 15:15.14 | jeffro | i upgraded it to debian |
| 15:15.17 | tarzeau | jeffro: YOU CAN'T |
| 15:15.26 | Phated | (, you twit.) |
| 15:15.28 | ufoalien | lol |
| 15:15.29 | mwilson | jeffro: No, you upgraded it to some bastard hybrid. |
| 15:15.32 | tarzeau | Phated: :) |
| 15:15.42 | initech | go mwilson |
| 15:15.46 | jeffro | ... |
| 15:15.47 | tarzeau | ufoalien: mann manche haben einfach etwas im kopf |
| 15:15.47 | Mr_Smoke | tarzeau, what are you btw ? french ? |
| 15:15.49 | seby | LOL |
| 15:15.54 | tarzeau | Mr_Smoke: no. non of your business |
| 15:15.54 | Mr_Smoke | german then |
| 15:16.07 | initech | kanopubuntix is NOT FUCKING DEBIAN |
| 15:16.07 | Mr_Smoke | quite right. |
| 15:16.13 | ufoalien | tarzeau: aber nicht das richtige ;) |
| 15:16.20 | tarzeau | ufoalien: exactly ;) |
| 15:16.38 | jeffro | i had to use kanotic because i cant start xserver on debian |
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| 15:16.45 | seby | spricht hier einer deutsch? |
| 15:16.48 | tarzeau | !de |
| 15:16.49 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:16.52 | Phated | initech: I should hope not. Debian has enough bastard children already. |
| 15:16.53 | jeffro | cause my screen looks f*cked up |
| 15:16.53 | tarzeau | jeffro: it works perfect for me |
| 15:16.53 | Leon_ | seby: ich |
| 15:17.08 | tarzeau | jeffro: i guess that's PEBKAC |
| 15:17.09 | Mr_Smoke | WFM too |
| 15:17.12 | initech | jeffro: you realize we don't even help people with debian unstable in here, let alone kanopubunprogenix? |
| 15:17.19 | mike-M | seby, wenigh deutsh, aber ich verstehe sehr gut |
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| 15:17.24 | tarzeau | Phated: but you know what sucks about debian? finding sponsors |
| 15:17.30 | Phated | We certainly don't specialise in Klubuntooites. |
| 15:17.33 | seby | is ja gut, war nur ne frage... |
| 15:17.39 | Phated | tarzeau: For nming? |
| 15:17.46 | tarzeau | Phated: for regular packages |
| 15:17.52 | Phated | tarzeau: Ah. |
| 15:17.57 | Mr_Smoke | mike-M, stop hiding behind that freebox you ! |
| 15:18.00 | tarzeau | Phated: and also for scaling up infrastructures. way too hesitant |
| 15:18.08 | Phated | tarzeau: Yes, yes. |
| 15:18.12 | mike-M | Mr_Smoke, how am I hiding me ? |
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| 15:18.27 | Mr_Smoke | mike-M, nevermind. |
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| 15:18.35 | jeffro | btw my questions are more about the "COMMANDS" that is still debian |
| 15:18.36 | Mr_Smoke | gee |
| 15:18.38 | Mr_Smoke | more freebox |
| 15:18.38 | mike-M | Mr_Smoke, :) |
| 15:18.40 | tarzeau | seby: it was not a "vorwurf", just an answer |
| 15:18.59 | Mr_Smoke | unbelievable ... thought free was like wanadoo for teenagers |
| 15:19.02 | jethro | !beer me |
| 15:19.07 | Eulex | jeffro, your questions do not belong in #debian, you are ffs not running debian |
| 15:19.10 | jeffro | kanotix was the ONLY linux destro that could detect met videocard and support it |
| 15:19.12 | mike-M | Mr_Smoke, Free is pretty good ! |
| 15:19.13 | tarzeau | initech: oh we help people here with unstable, if they have at least done their homework |
| 15:19.25 | tarzeau | jeffro: nvidia? |
| 15:19.29 | jeffro | no |
| 15:19.30 | Phated | jeffro: So use Kanotix and seek support in #kanotix or whatever. |
| 15:19.34 | tarzeau | jeffro: ati? |
| 15:19.38 | jeffro | Maxtor |
| 15:19.45 | jeffro | voodoo banshee |
| 15:19.51 | Mr_Smoke | mike-M, i don't doubt that... for like 50% of the people it is. the other 50% go through all hell before their freebox can sync properly :/ |
| 15:19.55 | dk0r | Trying to figure out my video cards bus address.. I did "lspcio" in debian ppc got this. 0000:00:10:0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 15:20.06 | dk0r | Is 0000:00:10:0 my cards bus address? |
| 15:20.18 | Mr_Smoke | mike-M, not to mention the fact that FT and Free will bounce at each other when things break (and they will break, eventually) |
| 15:20.28 | Bluez99 | Guys, I'm leaving... its very frustating, I come here to get help, I'm new to debian. It says in the web site , that people help here, but I get very little help. Not even, we don't know... |
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| 15:20.29 | jeffro | btw |
| 15:20.32 | tarzeau | dk0r: just hit enter |
| 15:20.32 | Bluez99 | or we are busy |
| 15:20.35 | Bluez99 | thanks |
| 15:20.36 | Bluez99 | im out |
| 15:20.36 | rbochan | since when does maxtor == voodoo? |
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| 15:20.47 | tarzeau | maxtor is a harddisk company |
| 15:20.50 | Eulex | jeffro, why don't you then just save your XF86Config-4 in some safe place, reinstall, and use that config file in debian? |
| 15:20.52 | tarzeau | matrox is probably what you mean |
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| 15:20.58 | tarzeau | !maxtor |
| 15:20.58 | dpkg | It's dead, jim! |
| 15:21.00 | Phated | Are there matrox Voodoos? |
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| 15:21.01 | tarzeau | !matrox |
| 15:21.01 | dpkg | methinks matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufactures, *cough*nVidia*cough*...... of course, drivers for any card built this millenium are binary-only for obsolete versions of Red Hat |
| 15:21.06 | jeffro | wait il check my card |
| 15:21.08 | mike-M | Mr_Smoke, I am using my Freebox since yesterday :p |
| 15:21.09 | jeffro | its 3dfx |
| 15:21.16 | rbochan | tarzeau: regardless, different manufacturers entirely |
| 15:21.21 | Mr_Smoke | mike-M, you belong with the lucky half then; congratulations. |
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| 15:21.29 | tarzeau | rbochan: i never said it's the same |
| 15:21.40 | mike-M | :-) |
| 15:21.47 | tarzeau | rbochan: it's jeffro who has a letter ordering problem |
| 15:21.48 | mike-M | Next I will try the phone |
| 15:21.51 | rbochan | ;) |
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| 15:21.59 | Mr_Smoke | also free has no ipv6 |
| 15:22.10 | Mr_Smoke | but then thats like 99% of ISP's in europe anyways |
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| 15:22.37 | kingsley | Could a low CMOS battery corrupt the system's clock faster than ntp can synchronize it? |
| 15:22.37 | jeffro | the exact is Maxtor maxi gamer pheonix |
| 15:22.55 | rbochan | kingsley: yes |
| 15:23.00 | Mr_Smoke | kingsley, YES. |
| 15:23.01 | raf256 | <ciaranm> raf256: bram doesn't take those kinds of fixes between releases. ask your distribution to do it instread |
| 15:23.08 | tarzeau | jeffro: can you give me a video rom dump? |
| 15:23.08 | Wyzard | kingsley: Unlikely... when the system is running, the CMOS clock osm |
| 15:23.08 | Phated | It. Can't. Be. A. Maxtor. |
| 15:23.11 | Mr_Smoke | low CMOS battery can screw a LOT of things up kingsley |
| 15:23.19 | raf256 | ^-- vim /etc/fstab syntax highlight is borked (like the UUID=...) can we fix it in debian? |
| 15:23.20 | Wyzard | kingsley: When the system is running, the CMOS clock isn't used |
| 15:23.24 | tarzeau | jeffro: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ just run ree.sh or ree from the ree-1.3.tar.gz |
| 15:23.29 | Anders | my CMOS battery was fucked up in my other computer |
| 15:23.30 | Mr_Smoke | ah well |
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| 15:23.38 | Anders | had to use ntp for the time each 5th minute |
| 15:23.44 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 15:23.44 | Anders | wtwf |
| 15:23.46 | rbochan | Anders: that's nutz |
| 15:23.47 | Anders | wtf* |
| 15:23.57 | Anders | had to use ntp each 5th minute* |
| 15:24.02 | yoo | i'm running on 2.6.11 kernel on my debian unstable |
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| 15:24.12 | Phated | Congratulations. |
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| 15:24.15 | jeffro | the card isnt in right now |
| 15:24.15 | Eulex | jeffro, does knoppix detect your gfx card? |
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| 15:24.19 | Anders | yoo, interesting |
| 15:24.21 | tarzeau | yoo: did you build it using make-kpkg? |
| 15:24.23 | jeffro | im using a spare pc |
| 15:24.23 | Wyzard | My understanding is, when you boot, the current time is read from the CMOS clock into the kernel's clock, which is run in software... and when you shut down, the kernel's clock is saved to the CMOS clock |
| 15:24.32 | yoo | when i do that make-kpkg clean |
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| 15:24.41 | yoo | i have this answer : |
| 15:24.42 | u2t | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:24.48 | Phated | Fucker. |
| 15:24.49 | yoo | debian/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which ar |
| 15:24.50 | u2t | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:24.51 | dk0r | im configuring xserver-xfree86. I want to go back to the last option menu. how do i go back??? |
| 15:24.52 | dk0r | im configuring xserver-xfree86. I want to go back to the last option menu. how do i go back??? |
| 15:24.54 | dk0r | sorry |
| 15:24.58 | kingsley | Mr_Smoke: Do you agree that a low CMOS battery won't affect a running system because the CMOS clock isn't used? |
| 15:24.58 | dabaR | bob2: there? |
| 15:25.00 | tarzeau | Phated: i wish i had op at these moments |
| 15:25.03 | Eulex | !ops u2t is spaming |
| 15:25.04 | migma | bastard |
| 15:25.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: u2t is spaming |
| 15:25.10 | Phated | tarzeau: I wish I had ops a lot of times. |
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| 15:25.11 | maman | hi all . I have just install a new debian but all the menu in differents application (xmms ... amule) have a very small font size. Where can i change that ? |
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| 15:25.16 | yoo | tarzeau : yes |
| 15:25.19 | jeffro | w8 a sec |
| 15:25.23 | jeffro | just got it too work |
| 15:25.26 | Phated | ... Hahaha, w8... hahah. |
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| 15:25.38 | migma | round two? |
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| 15:25.47 | Mr_Smoke | kingsley, i honestly don't know. Apparently Wyzard seems to believe so, and I believe he seems to know more than I do :) |
| 15:25.47 | mike-M | :) |
| 15:25.53 | Wyzard | kingsley: "hwclock --hctosys" and "hwclock --systohc" are what load and store the time from the CMOS clock... aside from those, the CMOS clock should be irrelevant while the system is running |
| 15:26.00 | Phated | Go go gadget dondelelcaro. |
| 15:26.05 | dabaR | bob2: are you here? |
| 15:26.22 | Eulex | dondelelcaro, thanks :) |
| 15:26.25 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 15:26.26 | Phated | dabaR: Uhm, he's banned already, quit bugging bob. |
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| 15:26.44 | jeffro | phew |
| 15:26.50 | rbochan | dk0r: if you run the reconfig program again, your settings should still be there by default and you can change whatever you need.. just hit enter until you get there |
| 15:26.52 | kingsley | Wyzard: Your understanding seems plausible to me. My only concern is that a utility on my computer reported that the last time it was run was an hour and twenty minutes after the current time, which makes me suspect the integrity of the system's clock. |
| 15:26.54 | jeffro | i see that my ati does work |
| 15:26.55 | dabaR | Phated: well, I thought I had a reason to ask for him... |
| 15:27.05 | Phated | Of course. |
| 15:27.07 | dabaR | do you concur without even knowing my reason? |
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| 15:27.13 | jeffro | i just found my ol ati lt rage pro |
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| 15:27.31 | Wyzard | kingsley: It's possible for the system's timer itself to be fast or slow, and it's one of the things ntpd measures and corrects for, but I don't think that's related to the CMOS battery |
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| 15:27.36 | jeffro | finally a normal screen in debian |
| 15:27.37 | raf256 | where the FUCK is the nvu editor home page |
| 15:27.46 | kingsley | Wyzard: Do you happen to know if ntp keeps a log of the adjustments that it has made to the system clock's time, and if so, how to read them? |
| 15:27.47 | rbochan | raf256: www.google.com |
| 15:27.49 | jeffro | good thing i left it installed on my other pc |
| 15:27.50 | dabaR | ya |
| 15:27.52 | dabaR | that wil tell you. |
| 15:28.02 | mwilson | kingsley: Syslog is your friend. |
| 15:28.03 | raf256 | rbochan: no shit einstein, the problem is google dont actually find it |
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| 15:28.13 | Eulex | jeffro, is it real debian this time? |
| 15:28.19 | jeffro | yup |
| 15:28.19 | yoo | Anybody know this error with make-kpkg clean ? |
| 15:28.20 | yoo | debian/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Arrêt. |
| 15:28.22 | Phated | dabaR: I'm being patronising. I concurred that you thought you had a reason. I didn't concur with your reason. |
| 15:28.23 | tarzeau | raf256: www.nvu.com ? |
| 15:28.26 | jeffro | i had it installes |
| 15:28.27 | jeffro | i had it installed |
| 15:28.30 | Wyzard | kingsley: (When I say "timer", I mean the oscillator that actually generates interrupts saying some time is passed... as opposed to the clock, which is a number whose value is influenced by those timer interrupts) |
| 15:28.31 | migma | Phated: jeffro is now ready to be helped :P |
| 15:28.32 | Mr_Smoke | !anyone |
| 15:28.32 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:28.35 | bob2 | dabaR: ? |
| 15:28.37 | jeffro | lol |
| 15:28.38 | Wyzard | kingsley: ntpd, or ntpdate? |
| 15:28.39 | dabaR | Phated: nice |
| 15:28.45 | dabaR | bob2: nothing:) |
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| 15:28.51 | rbochan | raf256: well, mr. einstein yourself, it happens to be the very first google result |
| 15:28.54 | bob2 | ok... |
| 15:28.57 | jeffro | sdl is working now |
| 15:28.59 | jeffro | xD |
| 15:29.03 | raf256 | .... |
| 15:29.08 | Mr_Smoke | yoo, sounds clear to me. Want it in French ? |
| 15:29.18 | maman | hi all . I have just install a new debian but all the menu in differents application (xmms ... amule) have a very small font size. Where can i change that ? or where can i found info on how i can change this behavior |
| 15:29.18 | Phated | migma: But he says he solved it. |
| 15:29.20 | raf256 | omg I typed in "nuv" not "nvu" ... fucking dislection |
| 15:29.22 | jeffro | im gonna see if i can play a game on vba |
| 15:29.25 | raf256 | !smite dislexia |
| 15:29.28 | kingsley | Wyzard: I'm using ntp. |
| 15:29.28 | yoo | Mr_Smoke, yes i'm french |
| 15:29.29 | migma | Phated: oh. hehe |
| 15:29.38 | Phated | dyslexia, too, perhaps? |
| 15:29.43 | abrotman | raf256: or your poor keyboarding skills? :) |
| 15:29.45 | Mr_Smoke | yoo, basically means : précise l'architecture du kernel à la ligne de commande. |
| 15:29.46 | raf256 | Phated: dont know realy the EN name |
| 15:29.53 | Wyzard | kingsley: If you mean the "ntp" package, then you're using the ntpd daemon... good |
| 15:29.56 | raf256 | abrotman: my kb skills are excelent, as are of every programmer :)_ |
| 15:29.59 | yoo | perhaps i must use an other versio nof gcc |
| 15:30.03 | jethro | !lart raf256 |
| 15:30.09 | abrotman | raf256: then your spelling is *horrible* :) |
| 15:30.15 | kingsley | Wyzard: Yes, I'm using the ntp package. |
| 15:30.15 | Phated | raf256: Actually, no, yours aren't. |
| 15:30.15 | raf256 | abrotman: it is \o/ |
| 15:30.20 | raf256 | !crawlsmite jethro |
| 15:30.21 | jeffro | btw what do you ppl like better, kde or gnome |
| 15:30.24 | yoo | i386 2.6.11 sid |
| 15:30.33 | Phated | I think I'd much rather admit to poor keyboarding than poor spelling. |
| 15:30.33 | tarzeau | jeffro: gnustep |
| 15:30.36 | Wyzard | kingsley: ntpd measures how fast or slow your timer is (by comparing the "natural" progress of your clock with the actual progress of time according to the NTP server(s)) and adjusts for it on a continuous basis |
| 15:30.38 | Phated | jeffro: Openbox. |
| 15:30.42 | jeffro | o_0 |
| 15:30.44 | yoo | i use gcc 4.0 |
| 15:30.45 | jeffro | lol |
| 15:30.51 | jeffro | gnustep |
| 15:30.56 | scarynetworkguy | Openbox is teh win. |
| 15:30.58 | jeffro | is that litestep or sumthing |
| 15:30.59 | raf256 | yoo: good for you \o/ |
| 15:31.01 | Wyzard | kingsley: I think that info is recorded in a file called "ntp.drift", but I don't know where the file is located... probably somewhere in /var/lib, as a guess |
| 15:31.04 | tarzeau | jeffro: no, it's like OPENSTEP |
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| 15:31.15 | tarzeau | jeffro: litestep is some window manager bullshit for windows |
| 15:31.15 | raf256 | jeffro: I use KDE - more options AFAIK |
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| 15:31.22 | Phated | jeffro: My god, you -are- lame. Please acquire googling and reading skills. |
| 15:31.26 | jeffro | i use kde |
| 15:31.31 | jeffro | i DID |
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| 15:31.37 | Mr_Smoke | yoo, sorry, can't help with sid myself. But it says something about the CPU architecture. what was the command line you used ? |
| 15:31.38 | raf256 | I did my sister |
| 15:31.39 | jeffro | i just asked what ppl like better |
| 15:31.40 | yoo | raf256, no because i can use make |
| 15:31.47 | raf256 | but then they locked me up :/ |
| 15:31.51 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 15:31.51 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 15:31.59 | yoo | make-kpkg clean |
| 15:32.02 | Phated | jeffro: "lol" "gnustep" "is that litestep or something" <-- Uhm, no. |
| 15:32.09 | migma | !fgi jeffro gnustep |
| 15:32.10 | dpkg | jeffro: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=gnustep |
| 15:32.11 | jeffro | Phated: since when is it lame to ask people opinion |
| 15:32.12 | Mr_Smoke | yoo, duh. what did you do before that ? |
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| 15:32.22 | raf256 | !pal jeffro |
| 15:32.24 | jethro | jeffro: don't take polls |
| 15:32.32 | raf256 | !poll |
| 15:32.32 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 15:32.41 | tarzeau | ubuntu: no! |
| 15:32.46 | Phated | jeffro: It isn't. It is, however, minorly sad that you can't look up something before attempting to speak on ut. |
| 15:32.47 | rbochan | heh |
| 15:32.50 | Phated | s/ut/it/ |
| 15:32.55 | jeffro | I DID |
| 15:33.00 | Phated | Hahaha, no. |
| 15:33.01 | Wyzard | kingsley: Also note that if your system clock is more than 5000 (IIRC) seconds different from the time reported by NTP server(s), ntpd will assume something weird is going on and refuse to adjust the clock |
| 15:33.11 | jeffro | but i never tried gnustep |
| 15:33.17 | Wyzard | kingsley: so if your clock is very wrong, it could be that it's *always* been very wrong, and ntpd has never corrected it |
| 15:33.20 | tarzeau | jeffro: go try it, livecd.gnustep.org |
| 15:33.24 | jeffro | i thaught maybe its a linux version from litestep |
| 15:33.27 | yoo | Mr_Smoke : i have do an command line error because i write too fast with my keyboard |
| 15:33.31 | Phated | Should have looked up gnustep instead of looking like an idiot, shouldn't you? :) |
| 15:33.35 | Mr_Smoke | yoo, there you go. |
| 15:33.35 | yoo | make-kpkg --append-to-version=sauce.1 kernel_image 10 |
| 15:33.47 | tarzeau | jeffro: it's like gtk or qt, but more mature , older and more complete |
| 15:33.53 | kingsley | Wyzard: For what it's worth, /var/log/messages has a "-- MARK --" entry every twenty minutes, with no big swings. So *if* the system clock was very wrong, it seems to have been very wrong briefly. |
| 15:34.00 | tarzeau | jeffro: also more portable (think apple/cocoa and windows) |
| 15:34.05 | jeffro | ok |
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| 15:34.25 | jeffro | another windows manager in my list |
| 15:34.26 | Wyzard | kingsley: Well, that's every 20 minutes according to the system clock :-) |
| 15:34.45 | kingsley | Wyzard: ntpq peers currently reports offsets of 34 and 130 milliseconds. |
| 15:34.48 | jeffro | i read on google that gnome is faster but apperantly firefox loaded faster in kde |
| 15:35.06 | jethro | *plonk* |
| 15:35.07 | tarzeau | jeffro: it's not a window manager. windowmaker (wmaker package) is |
| 15:35.11 | Phated | If you have a fast box anyway, don't see why it matters. |
| 15:35.20 | Phated | Urgh, windowmaker. |
| 15:35.37 | jeffro | ... |
| 15:35.39 | jeffro | ok |
| 15:35.39 | tarzeau | jeffro: know what's faster thatn firefox? links2 or dillo, started from an xterm without window manager |
| 15:35.45 | Wyzard | kingsley: Run "date" and check the time against your watch... is it actually wrong? :-) |
| 15:35.48 | jethro | tarzeau: hah |
| 15:35.55 | jeffro | i know those programs |
| 15:36.03 | jeffro | links2 especially |
| 15:36.13 | jeffro | they have ported it over to xbox |
| 15:36.15 | jeffro | ^_^ |
| 15:36.21 | jeffro | linksboks |
| 15:36.22 | Wyzard | jeffro: GNOME or KDE shouldn't affect how fast Firefox loads |
| 15:36.34 | kingsley | Wyzard: Thanks for the practical suggestion. "date" and "wristwatch" report about the same time. |
| 15:36.40 | jethro | !tell jeffro -about enter |
| 15:36.46 | Phated | He has been. |
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| 15:37.05 | Wyzard | kingsley: Then it seems your problem isn't NTP or your system clock... no idea why a utility would report having been run in the future though |
| 15:37.27 | jeffro | ok starting today i will begin by typing annoying long strange sentences |
| 15:37.45 | jethro | jeffro: what's irritating is someone hitting enter every now and then |
| 15:38.04 | Phated | Actually, you could always stop typing completely. |
| 15:38.05 | jeffro | oh |
| 15:38.09 | Mr_Smoke | jeffro, then starting today people will begin ignoring you. |
| 15:38.12 | jethro | yeah, that wouldn't be a great loss |
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| 15:38.52 | Gnea | whoa cool |
| 15:38.54 | Phated | jethro: You know, I almost confused him with you when he first started speaking. |
| 15:38.55 | jeffro | but sometimes i say something and i think i forgot to type that word ......... oh and umm forgot -.-" |
| 15:38.56 | Gnea | iptable 1.3.2 is out |
| 15:39.06 | jethro | !lart Phated |
| 15:39.12 | jethro | :) |
| 15:39.14 | Phated | I know, darling, I'm sorry. |
| 15:39.26 | Mr_Smoke | Gnea, can it brew tea ? |
| 15:39.42 | jethro | Phated: no worries |
| 15:39.42 | Phated | jeffro: You seem to forget most of your sentence. And then type half of the remaining. And then the rest of it. ON. THREE. LINES. |
| 15:39.45 | Gnea | Mr_Smoke: if you give it enough fire |
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| 15:40.00 | Mr_Smoke | Gnea, i'll consider upgrading then. |
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| 15:40.09 | stew | Gnea: does 1.3.2 any anything interesting? |
| 15:40.10 | Gnea | Mr_Smoke: i dunno, it *JUST* came out |
| 15:40.26 | jeffro | ok, i already got it |
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| 15:40.39 | jeffro | it seems like a quick bug-fix |
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| 15:40.42 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
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| 15:40.44 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:40.48 | stew | !ops krall |
| 15:40.48 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:40.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: krall |
| 15:40.49 | scrool | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:40.51 | Eulex | bah, another one |
| 15:40.52 | mike-M | sucker |
| 15:40.54 | Mr_Smoke | oh yay |
| 15:40.56 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
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| 15:40.58 | Gnea | The netfilter coreteam proudly presents: |
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| 15:41.00 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.02 | Phated | And scrool, too. |
| 15:41.02 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 15:41.04 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.05 | Gnea | what |
| 15:41.05 | scrool | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.06 | anhi | gnah |
| 15:41.07 | scrool | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.09 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.10 | kingsley | Wyzard: Thanks for your thoughts. I'm inclined to agree, but am still worried about a systemic problem because a different utiltiy seemed to have timing problems a few weeks ago, but that was before upgrading to the "ntp" package. Perhaps you remember our chat at that time. |
| 15:41.10 | jeffro | stop it!!!!!! |
| 15:41.11 | scrool | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.12 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.12 | Mr_Smoke | krall = scrool = kill them ALL |
| 15:41.13 | Gnea | !ops scrool spammer |
| 15:41.13 | Phated | Come on, dondelelcaro! |
| 15:41.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: scrool spammer |
| 15:41.16 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.18 | mike-M | the same fucking ip |
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| 15:41.20 | Gnea | !ops krall spammer |
| 15:41.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: krall spammer |
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| 15:41.25 | shingouz | jfc.... |
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| 15:41.27 | mike-M | 193.136.157.2 |
| 15:41.32 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
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| 15:41.36 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.36 | scrool | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.40 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.40 | scrool | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.41 | Gnea | !ops *!*@193.136.157.2 channel spam |
| 15:41.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: *!*@193.136.157.2 channel spam |
| 15:41.43 | Mr_Smoke | *sigh* |
| 15:41.44 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.44 | scrool | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.47 | jeffro | omg now i know how annoyinh my sentences are |
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| 15:41.51 | abrotman | RichiH: help! |
| 15:41.53 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.54 | abrotman | oh god dam nit |
| 15:41.57 | krall | #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team #fazlamesai Turkish Linux Team |
| 15:41.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 15:41.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@193.136.157.2] by dondelelcaro |
| 15:41.57 | *** part/#debian krall (~asxz@193.136.157.2) |
| 15:41.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 15:41.58 | anhi | a DDoS on the proxy host isn't a solution, but it might help for a few mins :/ |
| 15:42.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: WHY DO YOU BLAME ME? |
| 15:42.04 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 15:42.05 | Phated | Turkish Linux, eh. Do they get those cute little cups of tea? |
| 15:42.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 15:42.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@193.136.157.2] by dondelelcaro |
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| 15:42.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: turks! |
| 15:42.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: DON'T FUCKING BLAME ME |
| 15:42.08 | raf256 | what was that utility to watch X11 events? |
| 15:42.10 | jethro | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 15:42.15 | Mr_Smoke | raxev |
| 15:42.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: joke joke joke! |
| 15:42.19 | Mr_Smoke | raf256, xev |
| 15:42.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: DON'T FUCKING TROW ME INTO THE SAME POT LIKE ALL TURKS. RACIST! |
| 15:42.26 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: nice one :) |
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| 15:42.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: joke joke joke! |
| 15:42.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you done ? |
| 15:42.34 | Gnea | dude |
| 15:42.37 | mike-M | this fucking guy have pretty services running |
| 15:42.39 | Gnea | tarzeau: chill down |
| 15:42.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have fuking nothing to do with those morons |
| 15:42.51 | raf256 | !chill tarzeau |
| 15:42.57 | Gnea | !beer tarzeau |
| 15:42.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: are you done? at least add a :) when you are joking |
| 15:42.58 | raf256 | !chillout tarzeau |
| 15:43.05 | zOap | Is it possible to make fonts bold in bash, like html eg : <b></b> or something like it? |
| 15:43.10 | jeffro | ok i got another question, if i should download programs with bittorrent how could i install them |
| 15:43.14 | Gnea | beer and sex |
| 15:43.18 | Gnea | how can anyone complain |
| 15:43.21 | raf256 | !chillout Gnea |
| 15:43.23 | kingsley | Wyzard: Thanks for your thoughts. I'm inclined to agree, but am still worried about a systemic problem because a different utiltiy seemed to have timing problems a few weeks ago, but that was before upgrading to the "ntp" package. Perhaps you remember our chat at that time. |
| 15:43.27 | abrotman | Gnea: not enough of them ? |
| 15:43.28 | raf256 | !chillout me |
| 15:43.28 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:43.32 | MacNamera | hi, is someone known with burning errors with hp dvd200i? |
| 15:43.36 | maman | hum so no clue on how i can change the default size of my xmms and other application by the debian way ? |
| 15:43.37 | raf256 | beer sex and weed, yey \o/ |
| 15:43.42 | mwilson | jeffro: Other than by reading the instructions they come with? |
| 15:43.46 | Mr_Smoke | !someone |
| 15:43.46 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:43.51 | Wyzard | kingsley: I remember discussing ntp with you, but I don't remember what your timing problem was at the time |
| 15:43.53 | jeffro | yes |
| 15:43.54 | rbochan | maman: what gui are you running? |
| 15:43.57 | Gnea | i'll skip on the weed, thanks |
| 15:44.00 | egon_spengler | maman Are you running gtk apps in KDE? |
| 15:44.06 | raf256 | Gnea: actually me too |
| 15:44.12 | migma | !apt-get |
| 15:44.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or ... |
| 15:44.24 | maman | egon_spengler: xmms in gnome , or amule in gnome ... |
| 15:44.26 | jeffro | because when i downloaded vba it didn had instrucitons for install |
| 15:44.34 | mwilson | Sure it didn't. |
| 15:44.37 | raf256 | !apt-get is also the best thing since sliced bread |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | that's too long, raf256 |
| 15:44.37 | maman | rbochan: gnome |
| 15:44.43 | jeffro | dont use apt-get xD |
| 15:44.44 | UnWorldly | how can I figure out what graphics card is in a machine that I do not have root privalages on? |
| 15:44.45 | Phated | mwilson: He lies. I read the readme. |
| 15:44.49 | jeffro | use aptitude |
| 15:44.54 | raf256 | use synaptics \o/ |
| 15:44.58 | UnWorldly | I tried looking at the x config but it doesnt say |
| 15:44.59 | Gnea | UnWorldly: /sbin/lspci should work regardless |
| 15:45.00 | rbochan | maman: and the gnome control panel thingie has had no effect? |
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| 15:45.01 | raf256 | !synaptics |
| 15:45.01 | dpkg | synaptics is probably http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 15:45.03 | Blissex | UnWorldly: 'lspci' should work even if you are not 'root'. |
| 15:45.05 | jeffro | the readme didnt show how to " install" |
| 15:45.05 | Apple | anybody have any recommendations for a good solid scsi raid card that's works well under linux? |
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| 15:45.11 | UnWorldly | lspci command not found |
| 15:45.17 | raf256 | !synaptic |
| 15:45.18 | dpkg | i heard synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ , or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/synaptic.png |
| 15:45.22 | Gnea | !illiterate |
| 15:45.26 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:45.32 | tarzeau | UnWorldly: have you got debian? |
| 15:45.38 | kingsley | migma: And apt-get is new, it's old fashioned, it's two for the price of one, it comes with triple track storm glass windows. Don't leave home without it. |
| 15:45.40 | Mr_Smoke | or linux ... |
| 15:45.48 | UnWorldly | I am in a public computer lab running debian |
| 15:45.52 | migma | kingsley: lol :) |
| 15:45.54 | UnWorldly | its been heavily customized I imagine |
| 15:45.55 | Blissex | Apple: does it really have to be SCSI or can it be SCSI-but-IDE? |
| 15:46.05 | tarzeau | UnWorldly: and if you try /bin/lspci ? |
| 15:46.06 | Wyzard | UnWorldly: If the "pciutils" package (which contains lspci) isn't installed, then I guess you're stuck |
| 15:46.07 | Apple | scsi but IDE ?? |
| 15:46.10 | Blissex | Apple: moreoever, there are _many_ variants of SCSI (physical bus) |
| 15:46.10 | kasper | when i try to /etc/init.d/ssh start i get Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell Server: sshdExtra argument 0. anyone have any ideas? it was working previously but sice a reboot and a few days off.??? |
| 15:46.18 | UnWorldly | its ok |
| 15:46.36 | Blissex | Apple: look at the 3ware range: it looks like SCSI to the PC, but it uses ATA/IDE discs. |
| 15:46.38 | maman | rbochan: i have try the font manager in gnome, but no effect at last on this kind of font |
| 15:46.38 | Wyzard | UnWorldly: lspci should be in /usr/bin, but check /bin and the sbin directories maybe |
| 15:46.39 | Gnea | Blissex: uhm, he said SCSI that means SCSI, not IDE |
| 15:46.49 | UnWorldly | yeah I'll try all 3 |
| 15:46.51 | UnWorldly | thanks |
| 15:47.02 | Gnea | Blissex: none of that fake shit - SATA is pretty good though, but SCSI reigns |
| 15:47.03 | rbochan | maman: I don't run gnome, so I'm not sure what else to adive you |
| 15:47.07 | Blissex | Apple: for example, FireWire is a form of SCSI... |
| 15:47.22 | Blissex | Gnea: look at the 3ware host adapters... You might change religion. |
| 15:47.22 | Apple | Blissex: I'm talking about scsi HDs |
| 15:47.31 | maman | rbochan: i don't think it's gnome specific, the same occure in kde |
| 15:47.34 | Blissex | Apple: which you have already got? |
| 15:47.39 | rbochan | maman: you might have a look at this though: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.mandrake/browse_frm/thread/c8124315d4117d45/6fbd3253cb6d2e84?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgtk%2Bfonts%2Bkde%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26selm%3Dpan.2003.01.26.21.39.28.153450%2540stribmail.com%26rnum%3D4#6fbd3253cb6d2e84 |
| 15:47.46 | Gnea | Blissex: 3ware huh? if it's not real SCSI then no. |
| 15:47.48 | nevyn | Blissex: if your data is worth real money it's worth scsi |
| 15:48.00 | Apple | Blissex: no, going to order |
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| 15:48.05 | Gnea | Blissex: there's a difference and i know what it is. don't try to push your fake crap around. |
| 15:48.18 | jeffro | Phated: sorry to bother you but where are programs installed too that you get with apt-get |
| 15:48.19 | Blissex | nevyn: just about the only difference between SCSI discs and ATA discs is often the board. |
| 15:48.21 | UnWorldly | horay |
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| 15:48.29 | stew | jeffro: dpkg -L packagename |
| 15:48.37 | pureone | is gnats installed by default on debian? |
| 15:48.41 | nevyn | Blissex: umm the warranty the testing are different |
| 15:48.45 | Blissex | Apple: if you are building a new disc subsystem, then really consider 3ware with SATA discs. |
| 15:48.48 | Gnea | Blissex: actually, i haven't tried the silicon image raid on this system yet |
| 15:48.49 | UnWorldly | sbin worked |
| 15:48.51 | Blissex | nevyn: not necessarily... |
| 15:48.53 | nevyn | Blissex: the data density for scsi is WAY lower. |
| 15:48.58 | pureone | i cant find it with dpkg -l |
| 15:48.58 | Gnea | let's see here |
| 15:48.59 | stew | pureone: no |
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| 15:49.02 | jeffro | umm |
| 15:49.03 | UnWorldly | maybe they took it out of the shells path or somethin |
| 15:49.04 | pureone | ok cool |
| 15:49.09 | pureone | thanks stew |
| 15:49.11 | jeffro | it cant find the command dpkg |
| 15:49.12 | Blissex | Gnea: Si RAID is really a fake. |
| 15:49.24 | jeffro | now it can |
| 15:49.26 | jeffro | ? |
| 15:49.32 | nevyn | Blissex: show me a 15000rpm sata disk with a 5year warranty |
| 15:49.36 | Blissex | Gnea: it is sw RAID, and does not do advanced things like a 3ware.... |
| 15:49.37 | Phated | jeffro: In wherever the package tells dpkg to install it, usually. |
| 15:49.46 | Blissex | nevyn: thats a different issue... |
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| 15:49.56 | Gnea | Blissex: Triones HPT374 is some seriously slick shiznit tho |
| 15:49.58 | Eulex | jeffro, if it can't find the command dpkg, you're not on debian |
| 15:49.59 | jeffro | sorry had jeffro: for it |
| 15:50.10 | Gnea | Blissex: it is? but it's raid on the chip, that's not sw... |
| 15:50.12 | Blissex | nevyn: it has nothing to do with SCSI or ATA. it is just market segmentation. |
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| 15:50.30 | Gnea | Blissex: but when you said sw are you referring to the kernel level or userlanad? |
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| 15:50.36 | Blissex | Gnea: naaaa, if only. It is all sw raid... Kernel based. |
| 15:50.38 | TheMonoTone | hey, I'm trying to help my friend out with sound, is there a group users need to be in to use the sound card? |
| 15:50.46 | rbochan | TheMonoTone: audio |
| 15:50.47 | Apple | Blissex: thanks |
| 15:50.49 | *** part/#debian Apple (~appleboy@Appleboy.wikipedia) |
| 15:50.57 | jeffro | thanks |
| 15:50.58 | Blissex | Gnea: the cheapest RAID cards that do real hw RAID are the 3ware ones. Then it becomes expensive. |
| 15:51.08 | Gnea | Blissex: naw, the kernel just communicates with the hardware controller - that's not software, it's a hybrid |
| 15:51.26 | jeffro | now i found the configfile i can reconfigure the controlls, also i dont get why the emu is slower then in windows |
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| 15:51.46 | Wyzard | Gnea: "kernel communicates with the hardware controller" is a description of how pretty much every driver works, for any type of hardware |
| 15:51.47 | Gnea | Blissex: you've got 3 levels: the hardware (like your 3ware), the hybrid (like the triones and whatnot) and then there's the md0 crap |
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| 15:51.48 | Blissex | Gnea: no, unfortunately. All those cheapo thingies do either everything in sw, or may have some support for hw striping, but not complete. |
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| 15:52.05 | NeUtr0N | how to forward my isp proxy-server to my proxy-server and than to lan ( iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 172.16.10.1 --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.222.1:3128 ) |
| 15:52.06 | Gnea | Blissex: right. |
| 15:52.07 | tarzeau | panthera, Phated the new package/software/update handling works much better on freebsd |
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| 15:52.13 | NeUtr0N | hello everyone |
| 15:52.16 | Gnea | Blissex: the hybrid works really nicely though |
| 15:52.37 | Gnea | Blissex: quad 250G discs, been running it for weeks now |
| 15:52.41 | panthera | tarzeau: hm? |
| 15:52.49 | Wyzard | NeUtr0N: Use ipmasq or a firewall package... don't write iptables rules by hand |
| 15:52.52 | Blissex | Gnea: yes, but so does the sw bit as well. For example if you sue the DeviceMapper it can do much the same things. |
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| 15:53.16 | nevyn | Blissex: the 3ware raid is not worth the cost on a modern system with < 30 disks |
| 15:53.22 | NeUtr0N | Wyzard: i can't seems to find any that do so |
| 15:53.23 | Phated | tarzeau: Wot? |
| 15:53.25 | faked | kernel doesn't build with gcc4 correct, is there a way in unstable to say make-kpkg to use an other gcc-version? |
| 15:53.27 | NeUtr0N | can u help please |
| 15:53.29 | Gnea | Blissex: i just told the kernel to ignore it, then the driver reads the hw info off of the chip and tells the kernel what to do |
| 15:53.35 | Gnea | !tell NeUtr0N about ask |
| 15:53.39 | jeffro | ok i need some help, what are the number after the letter: # A Z (007a) |
| 15:53.50 | nevyn | Blissex: sw raid will outrun a 3ware on a modern system |
| 15:53.50 | tarzeau | Phated: a late after comment on the issue "debian sucks" |
| 15:53.51 | nevyn | easy. |
| 15:54.14 | Gnea | Blissex: it's not fake, it's stable and it works. it's not 3ware, but it rocks nonetheless. |
| 15:54.15 | Phated | tarzeau: Not that I particularly cared, but all right. |
| 15:54.15 | Wyzard | NeUtr0N: I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with the proxy thing... if you want to use an additional proxy server between your ISP proxy and your clients, just configure your proxy to use the ISP's one, and configure your clients to use your proxy |
| 15:54.25 | Gnea | Blissex: and it's not SCSI. |
| 15:54.47 | Blissex | nevyn: naaah, because the 3ware having an onboard microprocessor does things like tagged queuing that other cheaper things dont do. |
| 15:55.09 | nevyn | Blissex: the onboard microprocessor is SLOW |
| 15:55.11 | NeUtr0N | Wyzard: okz thanks :) |
| 15:55.13 | Blissex | nevyn: also, low end 3ware cards are relatively cheap. Like US$300. And then there is hw RAID. |
| 15:55.16 | NeUtr0N | that's another idea |
| 15:55.19 | Gnea | but LSI Logic MegaRAID |
| 15:55.31 | nevyn | Blissex: that's a 4 port or 2port card.. |
| 15:55.36 | NeUtr0N | and thanks i'll try yours |
| 15:55.50 | nevyn | I can buy a m/b with 8 sata ports for $100 us.. and do software raid. |
| 15:55.51 | Blissex | nevyn: yes, the onboard microprocessor is slow. This makes latency relatively high, but that's the same for most other RAID HAs, especially the SCSI ones. |
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| 15:56.03 | nevyn | Blissex: it's slow doing raid5 calcs |
| 15:56.15 | nevyn | Blissex: the cpu can do like 16 xors in a single cycle |
| 15:56.44 | nevyn | the micro on the 3ware might do.. 4 per cycle at 20mhz |
| 15:56.58 | Blissex | nevyn: ah yes, that's one little difficulty with card based stuff, gets left behind. |
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| 15:57.24 | jeffro | what is parenthesis value i need a list of what the buttons are like x=007a |
| 15:57.27 | Blissex | nevyn: but for a quick, no-problems RAID, I really like the 3ware. For one thing one can do a no-trouble RAIDed root. |
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| 15:57.31 | nevyn | Blissex: so if you're using raid5 sw is gonna smoke your 3ware. |
| 15:57.37 | nevyn | Blissex: that is a nice feature. |
| 15:57.49 | nevyn | but I also have trust issues with h/w raid and ondisk formats |
| 15:58.24 | nevyn | I KNOW that if the m/b dies I can go get another 8 sata port m/b plug the drives in.. plug the system drive in and GO.. |
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| 15:58.55 | nevyn | where if I have a hardware raid card.. I'm less confident of being able to do this . 5 years down the track |
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| 16:00.14 | abrotman | nevyn: hw raid5 is slower than sw raid5 ? |
| 16:00.26 | Blissex | Wyzard: the issue is that a 3ware setup is a snip; you plug in the card, configure it and you go, and for multistreaming apps is very good (tagged queueing). |
| 16:00.44 | newdebusr | mage_: fyi ... figured it out.. I had to create a stripe array in the promise bios for each disk (4 raid5 arrays with one disk only) and then modprobe ft3xx started the promise driver and each disk showed up individually |
| 16:00.54 | nevyn | Wyzard: if you're using a system that's got less than a gig of cpu.. or you're running oracle or something HYPER cpu intensive where you want every cycle.. but for your average server.. it's not worth it. |
| 16:00.56 | Blissex | Wyzard: however indeed sw RAID with DM may be more flexible and a bit faster in RAID5, but it is much more annoying to setup |
| 16:01.27 | zth_ | how do i add universe, multiverse, non-free and contrib to my sources.list? |
| 16:01.37 | nevyn | zth_: #ubuntu |
| 16:01.40 | shingouz | zth_: you run ubuntu? |
| 16:01.43 | Wyzard | Blissex: I know how to set up software RAID, though, and I don't mind it much... and I don't plan on having my root filesystem on the RAID... so is it really much benefit? |
| 16:01.47 | zth_ | no sorry, used to but now debian |
| 16:01.48 | zth_ | :) |
| 16:01.49 | Eulex | zth_, do not do that if you're on debian |
| 16:01.52 | nevyn | abrotman: yes. |
| 16:01.54 | abrotman | why would any sane person run ubuntu |
| 16:01.55 | Blissex | zth_: that's a #Ubuntu question I guess |
| 16:01.57 | mwilson | zth_: Why do you lie? |
| 16:02.03 | nevyn | abrotman: on anything faster than a gig basically yes. |
| 16:02.04 | abrotman | nevyn: i disagree .. but i've had that argument many times ... |
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| 16:02.16 | zth_ | well are there any other repos for debian= |
| 16:02.17 | nevyn | abrotman: there are exceptions |
| 16:02.18 | zth_ | ? |
| 16:02.18 | abrotman | zth_: your system is not debian |
| 16:02.26 | zth_ | abrotman, no, but my server is... |
| 16:02.29 | nevyn | but for less than say.. 10 disks. sw is faster. |
| 16:02.30 | abrotman | nevyn: what .. like a fibre channel array? :) |
| 16:02.40 | nevyn | right ;) |
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| 16:03.00 | zth_ | are there other repos? |
| 16:03.08 | iostream | Hi, How can I make apache display hidden .dot files? |
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| 16:03.18 | Blissex | Wyzard: well if you dont mind the setup, the issue is then: if there are many concurrent accesses to the RAID tagged queueing with the 3ware is very very important; if single process peak access is what matters, sw RAID on a fast CPU may be better. |
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| 16:03.40 | jeffro | HELP, i made changes to a cfg file in \dev\hdc2\etc\vba.cfg but i cant save it |
| 16:03.51 | jeffro | how can i save it with root rights |
| 16:03.51 | stew | wtf |
| 16:03.55 | Wyzard | Blissex: For a desktop system / personal fileserver, I think "single process peak access" will be the most common case |
| 16:04.00 | Blissex | Wyzard: for example I use 3ware for multiuser streaming video, and without tagged queueing it would be terrible. |
| 16:04.06 | NeUtr0N | Wyzard: can squid be configured to use my isp proxy-server, can |
| 16:04.11 | Mr_Smoke | jeffro, wtf is that directory tree ... |
| 16:04.12 | Blissex | Wyzard: ah yes, if it just for yourself, fine. |
| 16:04.15 | Wyzard | Blissex: Desktop workload, daily sid upgrades, and occasionally copying large files (CD/DVD isos) around |
| 16:04.18 | NeUtr0N | can't find any option related to that ? |
| 16:04.22 | mathieu | hi, i have a server with 100% cpu usage, but top doesn't show me what's causing it.. (most 0% and mostly < 1%) |
| 16:04.24 | jeffro | thats the hard disk |
| 16:04.32 | mathieu | how can i check what's causing the load? |
| 16:04.32 | stew | jeffro: /dev/hdc2 is a disk partition, not a directory |
| 16:04.33 | jeffro | then \etc |
| 16:04.41 | Wyzard | Blissex: Isn't tagged queueing usable even without hardware RAID though? |
| 16:04.51 | Mr_Smoke | jeffro, there are no bloody backslashes. get rid of them. quick. |
| 16:04.52 | Blissex | Wyzard: however, there used to be a cheap, 2 disk, RAID 0 and 1 only version of 3ware. |
| 16:04.54 | stew | jeffro: what does "file /dev/hdc2" say? |
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| 16:04.56 | jeffro | yes but i say it to make clear its on my driver |
| 16:05.07 | Wyzard | Blissex: (Actually, I'm leaning toward SATA, so it'd be NCQ, but same difference) |
| 16:05.08 | Mr_Smoke | on your *driver* |
| 16:05.09 | jeffro | i mean |
| 16:05.12 | jeffro | my drvie |
| 16:05.14 | jeffro | drive |
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| 16:05.24 | jeffro | i have 3 hd's |
| 16:05.27 | Blissex | Wyzard: unfortunately tagged queueing only really works on SCSI discs, or with ATA on freeBSD and IBM discs, and NCQ is not quite the same. |
| 16:05.32 | stew | jeffro: so are you just making shit up? or what? |
| 16:05.35 | plb | hm debian forums need some more traffic |
| 16:05.36 | jeffro | no |
| 16:05.41 | Wyzard | Blissex: My plan is to buy a small fast drive for my root FS, and then have a big LVM-on-RAID5 for /home and everything else |
| 16:05.44 | Blissex | Wyzard: or of course with 3ware and ATA or SATA discs. |
| 16:05.59 | jeffro | i mean on my hard disk with debian\etc |
| 16:06.01 | Blissex | Wyzard: in that configuration sw RAID is perfectly OK. |
| 16:06.18 | stew | jeffro: what is debian\etc? |
| 16:06.18 | jeffro | but i need root rights to save the file |
| 16:06.24 | jeffro | ............ |
| 16:06.33 | Eulex | jeffro, then go get root permissions ffs!!!! |
| 16:06.36 | Wyzard | Blissex: In my understanding, the only difference between TCQ and NCQ is that with TCQ you can insert a "priority" command at the head of the queue; with NCQ you have to flush the queue, issue the priority command, and then re-issue the other commands that were in the queue |
| 16:06.43 | jethro | !lart jeffro |
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| 16:06.52 | jeffro | .. |
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| 16:07.13 | Wyzard | Blissex: That's based on reading just one or two articles on SATA, though, so I'm far from an expert on the matter |
| 16:07.15 | jethro | jeffro: and also, please, really, quit fucking hitting enter every 3 words. it's *boring* |
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| 16:07.27 | jeffro | i didnt this time |
| 16:07.48 | jeffro | but i have this file in kwrite |
| 16:08.06 | Eulex | jeffro, sudo |
| 16:08.10 | stew | jeffro: close kwrite (losing your changes), then edit the file as root |
| 16:08.11 | coll | after runing make-kpkg, if i do a reboot now i shouldn't notice any changes right? i mean, that only constructs the kernel .deb package. but made no system changes... |
| 16:08.18 | jeffro | ...... |
| 16:08.22 | zth_ | what do i add to proftpd.conf to lock ppl to their homedirs? |
| 16:08.22 | Wyzard | coll: correct |
| 16:08.24 | jeffro | this will take a long time |
| 16:08.27 | stew | jeffro: or save it somewhere else |
| 16:08.28 | coll | Wyzard: thanks. |
| 16:08.29 | jeffro | and dont you mean su |
| 16:08.31 | mathieu | hi, top doesn't show what's eating my cpu cycles. What other tool exists to check that? |
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| 16:08.36 | stew | jeffro: no, he meant sudo |
| 16:08.39 | valdyn | jeffro: copy the contents ( you probably know about cut & paste ), and start kwrite as root, and paste the contents. |
| 16:08.43 | Eulex | jeffro, i don't, but that works too |
| 16:08.54 | jeffro | ok |
| 16:08.58 | Wyzard | mathieu: Yes it does... look for processes with high CPU usage, which are near the top of the listing by default |
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| 16:09.04 | coll | Wyzard: also before runing dpkg to install the new kernel is there some safe way to check if its (the new kernel) compatible with the system? (like modules and stuff) |
| 16:09.32 | Wyzard | coll: Well, the modules and kernel were built together from the same sources, so they're definitely compatible with each other |
| 16:09.44 | Wyzard | coll: There's no such thing as module compatibility with "the system" |
| 16:09.57 | jeffro | root@Linux:/home/jeffro# su |
| 16:09.57 | jeffro | root@Linux:/home/jeffro# kwrite |
| 16:09.57 | jeffro | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 16:09.57 | jeffro | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 16:09.57 | jeffro | kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
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| 16:10.13 | coll | Wyzard: heh well, i just don't want to get some kernel panic or whatever after runing dpkg and re-install the system again |
| 16:10.16 | jeffro | root@Linux:/home/jeffro# /join debian |
| 16:10.16 | stew | jeffro: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:10.18 | mwilson | jeffro: Yes, and? |
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| 16:10.22 | valdyn | jeffro: use 'sux' instead of 'su', 'apt-get install sux' |
| 16:10.25 | jeffro | i cant |
| 16:10.28 | Mr_Smoke | jeffro, go read some more about root and X |
| 16:10.29 | jeffro | i have a problem |
| 16:10.36 | stew | no shit |
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| 16:10.48 | Mr_Smoke | clever boy |
| 16:10.50 | Wyzard | coll: If you're upgrading from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 then you need to make sure you have the "module-init-tools" package installed, or modprobe won't work under 2.6 |
| 16:10.55 | jeffro | ok |
| 16:11.08 | jeffro | i know about apt-get and i use aptitude |
| 16:11.23 | Wyzard | coll: As for things not working under the new kernel, that's why you keep the old kernel installed and usable until you've tested that the new one works :-) |
| 16:11.25 | coll | Wyzard: nah, im runing 2.4.18bf2.4 currently and im going for 2.4.31 (make-kpkg is still runing as we speak) |
| 16:11.31 | paster | "faca" at 201.252.226.240 pasted "halt:/# apt-get dist-upgrade R" (39 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/330 |
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| 16:11.42 | jeffro | lol super cow powers |
| 16:11.56 | coll | Wyzard: dpkg leaves a copy of the old kernel also accessible from lilo right? |
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| 16:11.59 | plb | hm is it true xorg will be in unstable once its modular....think I saw someone say that in the forums |
| 16:12.06 | Wyzard | coll: OK, so the 2.6 changes to the module system aren't an issue |
| 16:12.14 | gravity | plb: No, it'll be in unstable *very* soon |
| 16:12.18 | valdyn | plb: yea, and even before that. |
| 16:12.19 | gravity | plb: Like, within a day or two hopefully |
| 16:12.31 | stew | nice work gravity |
| 16:12.31 | mwilson | Ah, someone else who thinks they'll just die without Xorg. |
| 16:12.39 | gravity | stew: Thanks |
| 16:12.42 | Wyzard | coll: I haven't used lilo in several years (I use grub now) so I don't remember whether the kernel packages do any management of lilo.conf |
| 16:12.45 | Eulex | nice |
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| 16:12.47 | plb | mwilson: not die...was just curious ;] |
| 16:12.56 | mwilson | gravity: It upgrades cleanly now? |
| 16:12.59 | Wyzard | coll: After you install your kernel, just check that you still have a lilo.conf entry for the old one |
| 16:13.04 | Mr_Smoke | Wyzard, they do if they're told to do so |
| 16:13.08 | gravity | mwilson: That's what I have to test |
| 16:13.13 | Mr_Smoke | AFAIK at least |
| 16:13.13 | ed_ | i have found a bug in bittorrent_3.4.2-4_all.deb |
| 16:13.17 | jeffro | sux is sux and im seeing that it doesn't sux |
| 16:13.25 | gravity | We had to change things for the gcc4 transition, so I have to check those changes |
| 16:13.26 | ed_ | bittorrent_3.4.2-3_all.deb works correctly, what should i do |
| 16:13.35 | Mr_Smoke | ed_, file a bug report ? |
| 16:13.37 | gravity | But xdm and xfree86-common upgrade cleanly and work right |
| 16:13.37 | mwilson | ed_: And what bug number was assigned to your report? |
| 16:13.43 | Wyzard | ed_: Check the BTS to see whether it's already been reported, and if not, run reportbug |
| 16:13.53 | ed_ | thanks |
| 16:13.57 | visik7 | ed_ apt-get install bittorrent=3.4.2-3 |
| 16:14.00 | coll | Mr_Smoke: how do you tell dpkg to update lilo? i thought it does it automatically |
| 16:14.10 | jeffro | get azereus |
| 16:14.11 | Eulex | ed_, and why are you fiddling with deb files when apt does it for you? |
| 16:14.33 | ed_ | Eulex, because apt-get dist-upgrade fiddled for me, so i downgraded |
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| 16:14.43 | Eulex | ed_, ok |
| 16:14.49 | TestiCalls | is there like a beep command |
| 16:14.58 | ed_ | TestiCalls, echo <ansi code> |
| 16:14.59 | Wyzard | coll: man kernel-img.conf |
| 16:15.03 | TestiCalls | k i'll try it |
| 16:15.03 | Eulex | !beep |
| 16:15.04 | dpkg | [beep] /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 16:15.05 | ed_ | [esc]7 i think |
| 16:15.19 | mwilson | gravity: What detrius does it leave behind? |
| 16:15.36 | gravity | mwilson: Not much |
| 16:15.40 | Wyzard | coll: I still recommend manually checking lilo.conf after installing the kernel |
| 16:15.45 | gravity | mwilson: It should leave behind your old conffile. That's it |
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| 16:16.05 | Wyzard | coll: and I suggest switching to grub at some point... under grub, forgetting to put a kernel entry in your config file doesn't prevent you from booting that kernel :-) |
| 16:16.13 | mwilson | gravity: It had better... I learned long ago to chattr my X configuration file. |
| 16:16.27 | ed_ | mwilson, looks like the bug has been filled with the incorrect version number |
| 16:16.44 | shingouz | mwilson: what do you chattr it to? |
| 16:16.47 | ed_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=bittorrent&archive=no, shouldbe bittorrent_3.4.2-4_all.deb |
| 16:16.47 | mwilson | ed_: <shrug> Then you know what you have to do, then. |
| 16:16.57 | Wyzard | ed_: If you're referring to #315510, that looks OK to me |
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| 16:17.22 | coll | Wyzard: yeah ill move to grub once this new kernel is in. its just an old system so things might go bad with it (like moving to grub) |
| 16:17.23 | mwilson | shingouz: immutable, of course. You think I'm going to let Branden's scripts mangle my configuration? |
| 16:17.24 | ed_ | has 3.2.4-4 in the subject, but the message body states correct version |
| 16:17.34 | Wyzard | ed_: You can add additional comments to a bug report by running reportbug and picking the existing report from the list when reportbug asks you |
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| 16:17.44 | coll | Wyzard: its a p1mmx 200mhz/128ram, its taking me a whole day to compile 2.4.31 |
| 16:17.46 | faca | 421 Unable to switch capabilities : Operation not permitted |
| 16:17.48 | faca | , in started pure-ftpd ??? |
| 16:17.50 | Wyzard | coll: lol :-) |
| 16:17.55 | ed_ | Wyzard, i have never had to report a bug in like 3 years of using debian |
| 16:17.57 | coll | Wyzard: i know :) |
| 16:17.59 | shingouz | mwilson: knowing you, no. and the immutable does sound like a good idea, maybe i should too |
| 16:18.24 | Wyzard | coll: Are you sure that the precompiled kernel-image package won't meet your needs? |
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| 16:19.27 | coll | i was porting some of ipchains to iptables. but im telling you, those rules just 0wned. friends were dosing me over t1s with no luck heh |
| 16:19.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: I figure sometime in August I'll allow Xorg to install on one of my boxen. |
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| 16:19.58 | coll | mwilson: old school are the shit |
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| 16:20.08 | coll | (sorry for the language) |
| 16:20.08 | smo_ | hi all |
| 16:20.17 | coll | hey smo |
| 16:20.17 | dystopian | hey |
| 16:20.17 | mwilson | coll: Whatever that was supposed to mean. |
| 16:20.52 | ce33na | good bye jeffro |
| 16:20.52 | coll | mwilson: heh, i guess it was some personal remark (intended). i was remembering when runing rh5.2 on my laptop |
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| 16:21.09 | Blissex | zth_: still looking for optional repos? |
| 16:21.16 | nvz | I don't consider RH5.2 to be running |
| 16:21.19 | shingouz | coll: you mean we are dinosaurs? yes we are. and damn proud of it too |
| 16:21.23 | zth_ | Blissex, not really |
| 16:21.32 | coll | mwilson: its a p2-200mhz/32ram/3gb which is now runing ds-linux very well if i might add |
| 16:21.34 | smo_ | anyone use the webcam in amsn?? i had it working just one time and now it s not working anymore... it crash when i accept the camera on the other pc |
| 16:21.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: The Debian xorg maintainer was here a few days ago, and commented to me that the next upload will be to unstable |
| 16:21.40 | Blissex | zth_: in any case look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
| 16:21.40 | Mr_Smoke | is 2.6.x x > 9 going to make it into testing some day ? |
| 16:21.54 | coll | shingouz: i love dinosaurs :p |
| 16:22.05 | coll | brb |
| 16:22.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: Uh, last time I looked, the Debian xorg maintainer was here NOW. |
| 16:22.26 | shingouz | coll: that does not mean i will take long hot showers with you. my gf might be a bit annoyed ;) |
| 16:22.38 | mwilson | Wyzard: As for whether or not it gets uploaded to unstable, that has little to do with whether or not I allow it to install. |
| 16:23.37 | Wyzard | gravity: hehe... sorry, didn't notice you were there |
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| 16:23.54 | abrotman | that's not the real gravity! |
| 16:24.04 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, FWIW, it's been working fine for me for a week or two |
| 16:24.06 | gravity | heh |
| 16:24.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: where are the e17 packages ? |
| 16:24.36 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'm not at all interested in beta-testing the transition. |
| 16:24.45 | abrotman | alpha!! |
| 16:24.46 | Wyzard | mwilson: The installation will copy your XF86Config-4, unmodified, to xorg.conf, so if your RCS understands file renaming, you shouldn't need to change anything |
| 16:24.50 | jethro | abrotman: shadoi.soulmachine.net |
| 16:24.56 | kamaraju | Does anyone know if software suspend is compiled for Debian kernels? Currently I am running 2.6.9 and it is not compiled for that. Do the latest kernels include that? |
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| 16:25.16 | mwilson | Wyzard: After the first two or three uploads to unstable will be plenty of time. |
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| 16:25.22 | abrotman | jethro: nothing good ever came out of utah |
| 16:25.28 | danowoz | hi all |
| 16:25.36 | jethro | abrotman: :) |
| 16:25.38 | xenwryly | isn't there another site kind of like apt-get.org for finding unofficial apt sources? |
| 16:25.49 | nvz | kamaraju: well 2.6.9 is not a debian kernel version for one thing |
| 16:25.54 | abrotman | xenwryly: that's the biggest .. and most up to date |
| 16:26.00 | Mr_Smoke | kamaraju, debian has 2.6.8 afaik |
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| 16:26.02 | shingouz | abrotman: hey! my sis spent a few years in SLC! |
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| 16:26.12 | abrotman | shingouz: but she didnt' come from there |
| 16:26.15 | nvz | Mr_Smoke: even so, its not called 2.6.8 either |
| 16:26.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: I haven't used E since the days of GNOME 1.x on my Debian "hamm" system, when E was the only WM that supported the necessary WM hints :-) |
| 16:26.24 | shingouz | abrotman: no. she escaped from there :p |
| 16:26.24 | abrotman | shingouz: and i've seen no pictures to decide if she's a good thing :) |
| 16:26.27 | nvz | Mr_Smoke: 2.6.8-2-k7 f.e. is what I am using |
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| 16:26.32 | Mr_Smoke | nvz, ditto |
| 16:26.48 | Mr_Smoke | nvz, my point was just that 2.6.9 never made it to testing anyways |
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| 16:27.06 | Mr_Smoke | (and no newer version has ever since) |
| 16:27.08 | xenwryly | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:27.21 | shingouz | abrotman: if you go along those lines she just may pull a sword. or go aikido on you |
| 16:27.33 | abrotman | xenwryly: other way to find sources i google |
| 16:27.35 | abrotman | err is google |
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| 16:27.47 | abrotman | shingouz: this is a problem? |
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| 16:28.12 | raf256 | will 3.0 kernel read minds of user? |
| 16:28.14 | kamaraju | nvz: Ok Let me rephrase the question. Does the latest kernel in Debian unstable has software suspend moduled/compiled into it? |
| 16:28.17 | shingouz | abrotman: not necessarily. if you like almost four feet of steel.. ;) |
| 16:28.20 | gravity | heh |
| 16:28.31 | xenwryly | abrotman: heh, yeah for sure |
| 16:28.31 | danowoz | would anyone be able to send me a link to a good recorce on setting up a proxy/NAT |
| 16:28.32 | abrotman | shingouz: depends where it goes ? |
| 16:28.33 | danowoz | ? |
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| 16:28.49 | xenwryly | abrotman: I just thought I had used another one in the past and I couldn't remember |
| 16:28.52 | abrotman | xenwryly: sometimes reading planet.d.n yields some nuggets |
| 16:28.57 | abrotman | xenwryly: backports.org ? |
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| 16:29.12 | xenwryly | abrotman: ah! That was it and now I remember whe I don't need it :) |
| 16:29.14 | shingouz | abrotman: she is heavily into european swordsmanship. highlander and all that stuff |
| 16:29.21 | TestiCalls | any one know how to improve the ssh so that it doesn't drop me every other 4 minutes |
| 16:29.24 | abrotman | xenwryly: yeah ... |
| 16:29.33 | abrotman | shingouz: but is she cute |
| 16:29.37 | abrotman | TestiCalls: fix your firewall |
| 16:29.42 | nvz | kamaraju: I don't know. I currently run sarge, with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7, and you have not accuratly stated what kernel you use. even without using unstable I know there are more than one "latest kernel" |
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| 16:29.53 | xenwryly | TestiCalls: also checkout screen |
| 16:29.55 | TestiCalls | couldn't be the firewall.. i'm behind it and so is the comp i'm accessing |
| 16:30.01 | TestiCalls | checkout screen? |
| 16:30.05 | nvz | kamaraju: if you use something that uname -r calls 2.6.9, then you compiled it, and should know |
| 16:30.13 | abrotman | TestiCalls: fix your network ? |
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| 16:30.21 | TestiCalls | ;0 |
| 16:30.29 | xenwryly | TestiCalls: Its an application for keeping console sessions open even when the actual terminal disconnects |
| 16:30.39 | TestiCalls | ah ok |
| 16:30.44 | TestiCalls | is that for the client or the server |
| 16:30.45 | abrotman | !tell TestiCalls about screen |
| 16:30.46 | xenwryly | TestiCalls: makes dealing with intermittent network problems much less of a pain |
| 16:30.54 | shingouz | abrotman: depends on what you cinsider cute. she is shorter than i am. about eight inches shorter. that makes her 6'1. ok, she is not a dog. think about xena with short hair |
| 16:31.24 | xenwryly | TestiCalls: the server |
| 16:31.24 | zth_ | how do i restart proftpd when it's using inetd? |
| 16:31.27 | TestiCalls | k i'll check it out |
| 16:31.29 | TestiCalls | thanks xen |
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| 16:31.44 | nvz | zth_: you mean how do you restart inetd? |
| 16:31.47 | valdyn | TestiCalls: ping -i 200 2>&1 > /dev/null & |
| 16:31.51 | zth_ | nvz, might be |
| 16:31.54 | Wyzard | zth_: You don't need to; inetd starts it when a connection comes in |
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| 16:32.09 | zth_ | but i altered the proftpd config to make it standalone |
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| 16:32.19 | zth_ | and i wanna restart it |
| 16:32.22 | valdyn | TestiCalls: ping -i 200 google.com 2>&1 > /dev/null & |
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| 16:32.28 | Wyzard | zth_: Then you're not using it with inetd after all |
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| 16:32.40 | TestiCalls | [1] 1705 |
| 16:32.43 | TestiCalls | ? |
| 16:32.54 | zth_ | Wyzard, well the config is originally at inetd mode? so my instance right now is inetd right? |
| 16:33.22 | bnovc | when using partition magic to split off for debian; should i use ext3? |
| 16:33.31 | Wyzard | zth_: "/etc/init.d/proftpd restart" would be the way to restart it... but if you changed it to standalone by manually editing proftpd's config, that initscript might think it's still in inetd mode, and not do anything |
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| 16:33.50 | Wyzard | zth_: When you installed proftpd, did it ask you whether you wanted to run it standalone or from inetd? |
| 16:34.12 | dystopian | bnovc, ext3 is a decent file system if that is what you want to know. |
| 16:34.17 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm scared |
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| 16:34.24 | bnovc | well i dont know what that really means so i just wondered which to use |
| 16:34.33 | undertow | what's the best lightweight windowed/foldered-style file manager? i keep finding projects on freshmeat that are 2-3 years old.. |
| 16:34.35 | bnovc | ext2/ext3/swap? |
| 16:34.45 | abrotman | undertow: xfe ? |
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| 16:34.58 | kamaraju | Is software suspend enabled in kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686? This package is available in unstable. I want to install it only if software suspend is compiled into it. |
| 16:35.11 | rbochan | undertow: I recommend xfe |
| 16:35.12 | Wyzard | bnovc: You need a partition for your root filesystem (probably ext3) and probably a swap partition too, unless you have lots of RAM |
| 16:35.13 | shingouz | abrotman: she has not decapitated anyone yet afaik. caused some serious bruising to her escrima class though |
| 16:35.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:35.21 | valdyn | kamaraju: swsuspend 2 isnt in stock kernels nor in debian kernels. |
| 16:35.28 | rbochan | is it not nifty? |
| 16:35.52 | dystopian | bnovc, ext2/ext3 are the types of file systems you can use. go with ext3 - swap is for your swapfile- which you want to setup |
| 16:35.56 | Wyzard | zth_: Best thing to do would be to edit that config file and undo your change, and then "dpkg-reconfigure proftpd" |
| 16:36.07 | kamaraju | valdyn: Why? Do you think filing a wishlist bug would help the situation? |
| 16:36.18 | valdyn | kamaraju: nope |
| 16:36.21 | dystopian | bnovc, have you partitioned a disk before? |
| 16:36.50 | ce33na | danawoz: are you looking for anonymity or just a nat router |
| 16:36.51 | bnovc | dystopian yes, i forgot i can just resize my windows one |
| 16:36.59 | undertow | looks very nice, thanks. "Updated: Wed, Jun 29th 2005 03:48 PDT (11 days ago)" |
| 16:37.11 | bnovc | gunna go try to install debian now; be back later |
| 16:37.11 | dystopian | bnovc, if there is another operating system on the disk you want to keep make sure you partition right or it could be goners |
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| 16:37.31 | zth_ | Wyzard, i've been trying various stuff but i can't connect to the server and it doesn't show in ps aux, no matter how much i do /etc/init.d/proftpd start or restart |
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| 16:37.39 | zth_ | tried stop then start too |
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| 16:38.03 | Wyzard | zth_: The initscript will do nothing if it thinks proftpd is being started by inetd |
| 16:38.27 | Wyzard | zth_: When you installed it, did it ask you whether you wanted to run it standalone or from inetd? |
| 16:38.30 | zth_ | Wyzard, i did apt-get remove --purge proftpd first, then apt-get install proftpd and put it as standalone |
| 16:38.43 | Wyzard | zth_: OK, so it's definitely running standalone now |
| 16:38.52 | zth_ | it should be but it isn't :/ |
| 16:39.03 | Wyzard | zth_: (For future reference, you can get back to that installation question by running "dpkg-reconfigure proftpd") |
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| 16:39.24 | Wyzard | zth_: Maybe it ran into some problem while starting the daemon... check your logs |
| 16:39.38 | zth_ | Wyzard, how do i do that... it gives me no error msg |
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| 16:40.39 | pablum | !logs |
| 16:40.39 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
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| 16:41.28 | zth_ | no proftpd in /var/logs |
| 16:42.33 | zth_ | looked in the daemon log |
| 16:42.35 | zth_ | found something |
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| 16:42.57 | zth_ | port already in use (21) and check servertype config |
| 16:43.10 | zth_ | thanks for all help |
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| 16:49.31 | j4cbo | what does gcc4 break? |
| 16:49.39 | abrotman | 2.4 |
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| 16:49.50 | j4cbo | 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:49.53 | abrotman | you can't compile 2.4.x with gcc4 |
| 16:50.03 | abrotman | dunno if you define that as break |
| 16:50.05 | Wyzard | j4cbo: Code compiled with GCC 3.4 and 4.0 can't be linked to code compiled with 3.3 and earlier |
| 16:50.05 | dk0r | Anyone know the exact bandwith of a pb17"G4 aluminmum lcd display? |
| 16:50.14 | gravity | Everything |
| 16:50.18 | mwilson | There's no reason to build kernels with 4.x anyway. |
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| 16:50.58 | j4cbo | Wyzard: does 3.3 with 3.4 work? |
| 16:51.21 | Wyzard | j4cbo: nope |
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| 16:51.36 | Wyzard | j4cbo: It's an ABI change |
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| 16:52.08 | valdyn | Wyzard: wrong. ABI changed, but not for C code. |
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| 16:52.28 | Wyzard | j4cbo: Code which doesn't use the part of the ABI that changed would probably work (like "hello world" or something, I dunno) but it can't be trusted to work in general |
| 16:52.45 | Wyzard | j4cbo: valdyn's right -- I forgot to clarify, the ABI change is only for C++ |
| 16:52.52 | j4cbo | ah, ok |
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| 16:52.59 | jethro | !lart gcc4 |
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| 16:53.05 | Vivaldi | Hello. I am trying to use Exim on my local system in a LAN. My emails go outside well, but they return back from my remote/public SMTP server in internet, with the message: "Vivaldi@localhost: Unrouteable address". Any idea why this happens? |
| 16:53.25 | Mr_Smoke | yeah, failed to configure exim/network properly. |
| 16:53.49 | Vivaldi | Mr_Smoke, could you give more details? |
| 16:54.09 | Vivaldi | first of all, what's the meaning of the error? |
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| 16:54.18 | kl1 | hi |
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| 16:54.42 | kl1 | i have a mouse pad and debian is not recognising |
| 16:54.45 | kl1 | :/ |
| 16:54.50 | valdyn | Vivaldi: dc_readhost in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf should not be 'localhost' |
| 16:55.04 | Mr_Smoke | Vivaldi, means you tell the world that you are "localhost". go figure |
| 16:55.14 | j4cbo | kl1: apt-get install libmousepad3 mousepad-base |
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| 16:55.26 | Vivaldi | Mr_Smoke, i know that.. |
| 16:55.31 | Vivaldi | valdyn, let me see |
| 16:55.44 | kl1 | j4cbo ok :) |
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| 16:56.21 | Mr_Smoke | 'right |
| 16:56.23 | valdyn | Vivaldi: and read the comment on top of that file too. |
| 16:56.23 | Mr_Smoke | m'off |
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| 16:56.49 | Vivaldi | valdyn, i do not have any update-exim4 |
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| 16:56.58 | Vivaldi | (i am using fedora) |
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| 16:57.01 | Vivaldi | :) |
| 16:57.10 | kl1 | j4cbo is not there :/ |
| 16:57.28 | newdebusr | Anyone, how do I get a module to start automatically on start up? I can start the module by typing modprobe ft3xx but how do I get it to do this automatically? |
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| 16:57.34 | valdyn | Vivaldi: try #fedora then. |
| 16:57.39 | abrotman | modconf |
| 16:57.46 | kasper | how do i apt-get upgrade everything except 2 pkgs? |
| 16:57.53 | abrotman | !hold |
| 16:57.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to ... |
| 16:57.55 | koos | hi, is asking about howto tell a kde package to install its handbook in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/pkg (and not /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/pkg) a valid question for this channel? |
| 16:58.04 | kasper | !hold |
| 16:58.04 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 16:58.40 | dondelelcaro | kasper: you can /msg the bot |
| 16:58.42 | kl1 | any one can helpme for a mouse pad? debian is not recognising :/ |
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| 16:59.03 | dondelelcaro | it's a very wierd mouse pad that needs to be recognized. |
| 16:59.07 | kasper | thanks!!! |
| 16:59.09 | rbochan | indeed |
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| 16:59.55 | Whisky_ | when i do: channelbss:~# apt-get build-dep eggdrop |
| 17:00.05 | Whisky_ | i endup with: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 17:00.30 | abrotman | so .. do it ? |
| 17:00.31 | koos | or what is a good channel for deb package building? |
| 17:00.44 | rbochan | Whisky_: do you ohav a line in your sources that begins with 'deb-src'? |
| 17:00.44 | dondelelcaro | koos: you can start by asking here or in #debian-mentors |
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| 17:01.12 | Whisky_ | rbochan: I dont even know where i can find the sources file. I'm new to Debian |
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| 17:01.29 | ke6isf | Whisky_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:01.34 | abrotman | Whisky_: you need deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:01.36 | Gnurdux | are there any informal packages for unrealirc on debian? |
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| 17:01.51 | Whisky_ | deb http://lug.mtu.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 17:01.54 | Whisky_ | just have that |
| 17:02.13 | Overand | duplicate and make "deb-src" |
| 17:02.17 | rbochan | Whisky_: you should read this: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 17:02.18 | Whisky_ | kl |
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| 17:05.48 | smo_ | hi how can i chage the default driver for my webcam from v4l2 to v4l ??? v4l2 seems buggy |
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| 17:07.04 | kasper | how do i stop all services from starting up @ boot? (i.e smtp, ssh, etc)? |
| 17:07.14 | nvz | wtf is a default driver |
| 17:07.23 | Whisky_ | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/lug.mtu.edu_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:07.27 | rbochan | !tell casper about update-rc.d |
| 17:07.39 | Whisky_ | rbochan: Now i end up with this after having put deb-src there |
| 17:07.47 | abrotman | Whisky_: they may not have the sources mirror ? |
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| 17:08.08 | Whisky_ | abrotman: Sorry but how do i know which URL to use then? :S |
| 17:08.20 | abrotman | apt-setup ? |
| 17:08.21 | rbochan | Whisky_: you should read this: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 17:08.36 | Gnurdux | are there any informal packages for unrealirc on debian? |
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| 17:08.59 | abrotman | apt-get.org |
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| 17:10.48 | maman | where is the /dev/ttySn whith the new udev node system ? |
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| 17:10.58 | rbochan | maman: any luck with your font issue? |
| 17:11.37 | maman | rbochan: yes i have installed those font package for x and restart the x server and all is fine now |
| 17:11.40 | resiak | !test |
| 17:11.40 | dpkg | No, resiak, you're not online any more. |
| 17:11.43 | rbochan | right on |
| 17:12.02 | smo_ | anyone know how to switch between v4l and v4l2?? |
| 17:12.12 | maman | rbochan: xfonts-100dpi-transcoded it was |
| 17:12.18 | rbochan | ahh |
| 17:13.05 | maman | so does anyone know the localisation of the ttySn device with the new udev node architecture, i can't foudn it |
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| 17:15.33 | yahalom | anyone here surf the web with nautilus? |
| 17:15.34 | valdyn | maman: /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 17:15.42 | shingouz | yahalom: no |
| 17:15.50 | shingouz | !tell yahalom about ask |
| 17:16.22 | maman | valdyn: crap i have not this here |
| 17:16.34 | Wyzard | yahalom: I think Nautilus is focusing now on just being a good file manager, rather than a "browser of everything" |
| 17:16.43 | gravity | Thankfully |
| 17:16.54 | valdyn | maman: then you dont have the driver for your serial devices loaded. |
| 17:16.57 | Wyzard | yahalom: Use Epiphany or Galeon, or Firefox if you prefer |
| 17:16.59 | pipeline | Hopefully Nautilus will just disappear. |
| 17:17.05 | yahalom | Wyzard, it used to work right? cos i saw some redhat forum were it was described how to do it. just type in a url. |
| 17:17.08 | pipeline | Egads do I hate it. So much potential, squandered |
| 17:17.13 | gravity | Nautilus is wonderful when it works well |
| 17:17.25 | pipeline | yahalom: They've been stripping features out of nautilus for a couple of years now. Every release is filled with regressions. |
| 17:17.35 | gravity | Although the new revision has a habit of crashing on me periodically for some reason... |
| 17:17.36 | yahalom | Wyzard, i use galeon, but is there no way to just jump from nautilus without having to open a new browser? |
| 17:17.37 | maman | valdyn: checking the net fr it, it's a epson stylus printer.... |
| 17:17.50 | yahalom | pipeline, whats up with that |
| 17:17.51 | yahalom | ? |
| 17:17.58 | valdyn | maman: your printer has nothing to do with your ttySn |
| 17:18.12 | Wyzard | yahalom: I dunno whether it's still possible, but it's not part of the intended usage anymore |
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| 17:18.23 | pipeline | yahalom: Change in focus. Gnome is moving away from CORBA+Bonobo; Nautilus' original developers are all gone; The "document based desktop" is apparently not sexy anymore. |
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| 17:18.52 | yahalom | pipeline, anyway i can use galeon as my file manager? or not really? |
| 17:18.59 | pipeline | yahalom: Not really. |
| 17:19.01 | yahalom | Wyzard, :( |
| 17:19.11 | Wyzard | yahalom: A file manager and a Web browser are basically different things |
| 17:19.18 | yahalom | pipeline, oh well. that kind of sucks. |
| 17:19.25 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | people.... how to install and configure hp deskjet printer model 820cxi in debian dsitro ?? |
| 17:19.26 | Wyzard | yahalom: Nautilus once tried to be both, and then realized it was a dumb idea |
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| 17:19.42 | valdyn | !tell ^ZeRoCoL^ about cups setup |
| 17:19.48 | yahalom | Wyzard, i know. just it thought that they would be moving towards some integration. |
| 17:19.54 | pipeline | yahalom: You're telling me. I won't cry for nautilus, but CORBA+Bonobo was awesome. |
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| 17:20.08 | yahalom | Wyzard, konqueror is successful no? |
| 17:20.14 | Wyzard | pipeline: would've been awesome if it was actually documented :-) |
| 17:20.34 | aragno | do I need to restart a service after editing hosts.deny for it to take effect? |
| 17:20.50 | aragno | rater is there a way to disable hosts.deny? |
| 17:20.55 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | it i a supported ???? |
| 17:21.08 | valdyn | ^ZeRoCoL^: sue |
| 17:21.09 | Wyzard | pipeline: I think CORBA is kinda overkill, and ugly... I think DBUS should serve the purpose well, and be a lot cleaner |
| 17:21.11 | valdyn | ^ZeRoCoL^: sure |
| 17:21.24 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | i have install it, but aftehr instalation the printer is not opperational |
| 17:21.25 | pipeline | Wyzard: CLEANER? You're fucking kidding me. DBus is the ugliest hack for IPC that I've ever seen in my life. |
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| 17:21.32 | pipeline | Wyzard: It creates more problems than it solves. |
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| 17:22.05 | pipeline | Wyzard: Although I agree with you on the documentation thing. Bonobo, you had to read other people's code and just fuck around. Docs just didn't exist >:( |
| 17:22.08 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | do you know a hpijs package?? |
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| 17:22.57 | Wyzard | pipeline: Classic problem with Bonobo-based stuff: launch an instance of Galeon or Epiphany, then launch another one on a different X display (such as from a remote SSH session) |
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| 17:23.30 | Wyzard | pipeline: The second instance sees that the first is already running, tells it to open a new window, and exits... but doesn't realize the running instance is on a different display than the one you wanted the window on |
| 17:23.44 | Whisky_ | damn. Can I make apt-get install the LATEST tcl for me ? Like it always installs TCL 8.4.9-1 and the newest version is 8.11. Ive run apt-get update as well. |
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| 17:24.11 | Wyzard | pipeline: dbus uses a separate bus for each login session, so it seems to me that this problem won't happen anymore, because the new instance won't "see" the old one |
| 17:24.25 | maman | are the modules in /etc/modules still loaded at bootime with udev ? |
| 17:24.31 | Smerdyakov | Does kernel 2.4.29cke (as output by uname -a) come after 2.4.29-pre3? |
| 17:24.41 | Anders | Whisky_, er? 8.4.9 is the latest release |
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| 17:25.49 | jason | how do you just check to see if a file exists with wget? |
| 17:25.57 | furrywolf | hrmm. the sarge install manual manages to be rather unclear about installing from hard drives. :) |
| 17:26.14 | Wyzard | jason: See if there's a way to make it issue a HEAD request rather than a GET request |
| 17:26.15 | Whisky_ | Anders: http://tcl.tk |
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| 17:26.40 | Wyzard | jason: That's the proper way to do it with HTTP, but I don't know how to make wget do that |
| 17:26.43 | pipeline | Wyzard: Eh, you just have to pass it an argument so it doesn't use the default session. |
| 17:27.03 | Wyzard | pipeline: I know, but that doesn't fit well with the usual model of "click the button and the program appears" |
| 17:27.05 | Anders | ah you mean 8.4.11 Whisky_ |
| 17:27.07 | pipeline | Wyzard: And DBus is still moronic. People complained that CORBA calls were slow -- have fun processing everything into a human readable format and passing it down a named pipe. |
| 17:27.16 | Whisky_ | Anders: Yup. |
| 17:27.20 | Anders | Whisky_, not 8.11 |
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| 17:27.24 | pipeline | Wyzard: We're talking orders of magnitude slower than CORBA. |
| 17:27.26 | Anders | Whisky_, anyway any reason why you need it? |
| 17:27.32 | Whisky_ | Anders: Eggdrop |
| 17:27.41 | pipeline | Wyzard: DBus is just an even shittier version of SOAP. And SOAP was a bad idea to begin with. |
| 17:27.42 | Anders | Whisky_, 8.4.9 works fine with eggdrop |
| 17:28.07 | Whisky_ | Anders: Really? IT says I dont have TCL installed and when I try to show it the path, it just blindly says Maybe its too old :\ |
| 17:28.15 | Anders | Whisky_, you need tcl8.4-dev too |
| 17:28.35 | Wyzard | pipeline: Well, I think the dbus usage is aimed more at sending small "control" messages, like the aforementioned example to tell a browser to open a new window... not message-heavy component embedding like you'd do with Bonobo |
| 17:28.48 | Wyzard | pipeline: though I do wonder if that embedding concept is going out the door too |
| 17:28.55 | TestiCalls | how do you exit a program while in it? |
| 17:28.58 | stew | Whisky_: did apt-get install eggdrop not work? |
| 17:29.15 | Anders | stew, why would you want to get eggdrop via apt-get |
| 17:29.24 | Whisky_ | ahh |
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| 17:29.29 | stew | Anders: why not? |
| 17:29.31 | sgeigerbot | Is anyone using gmailfs from Debian? 0.0.8+cvs20050208-2 seems to be seriously broken at the moment, and I don't see any bug on this issue. |
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| 17:29.39 | Whisky_ | stew: It rebooted my remote server due to a 100% CPU load :/ |
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| 17:29.46 | stew | Whisky_: did you file a bug? |
| 17:29.52 | amorph | has anyone here used CUPS for remote printer sharing over the Internet? |
| 17:29.56 | Anders | stew, many reasons, for example handlen is hardcoded to 9 max etc |
| 17:30.07 | stew | Anders: did you file a bug? |
| 17:30.10 | Whisky_ | stew: no :/ |
| 17:30.21 | amorph | hi |
| 17:30.23 | stew | Whisky_: why not? what version of debian? |
| 17:30.32 | Anders | stew, no, it's set to 9 as default, but if you want to run eggdrop on some nets you have to increase it |
| 17:30.45 | Kven | What is the earliest point to set hdparm settings at? |
| 17:30.52 | Whisky_ | stew: 3.1, sarge |
| 17:31.00 | Wyzard | Kven: /etc/default/hdparm |
| 17:31.05 | pipeline | Wyzard: Well, pretty much, it has to. |
| 17:31.05 | stew | Whisky_: if you found a bug in stable, you really shoudl be filing it |
| 17:31.14 | pipeline | Wyzard: It's just not practical to pass messages that slowly. |
| 17:31.21 | Whisky_ | stew: Where can I / |
| 17:31.22 | stew | Whisky_: did you strace it to see what it was doing? |
| 17:31.23 | pipeline | Wyzard: Even user interaction is going to be slow over dbus. |
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| 17:31.28 | stew | Whisky_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:31.28 | Kven | Thanks |
| 17:31.40 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:31.43 | aragno | rater is there a way to disable hosts.deny. I have edited it but the service that once was blocked there is still being blocked after the line is removed. Is there a deaemon/service that has to be restarted? |
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| 17:31.51 | pipeline | Wyzard: And you can't really use it for session management. It's local-only. CORBA worked over the network :( |
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| 17:32.21 | Anders | Whisky_, wget www.geteggdrop.com, tar xvfz eggdrop*.t*, cd eggdrop*/; ./configure; make config; make; make install, cd ~/eggdrop, nano eggdrop.conf, ./eggdrop -m |
| 17:32.34 | Wyzard | pipeline: But not through firewalls or NATs |
| 17:32.35 | Anders | Whisky_, and install tcl8.4-dev via apt-get |
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| 17:32.54 | Whisky_ | Anders: Installed, installed tk8.4-dev too |
| 17:32.58 | stew | Whisky_: if you really want to build it, then apt-get build-dep eggdrop should install everything you need |
| 17:33.07 | Anders | Whisky_, you don't need tk8.4-dev |
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| 17:33.17 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:33.24 | Wyzard | pipeline: Anything that wants to be "transparent" with regard to remote X needs to communicate through the X server, I guess, not by direct connections |
| 17:33.47 | stew | Anders: why are you telling him to install stuff he doesn't need? |
| 17:33.59 | stew | permasunday... |
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| 17:34.03 | Anders | stew, er? |
| 17:34.13 | Anders | stew, now what did i tell him to install that he does not need |
| 17:34.16 | stew | < Anders> Whisky_, and install tcl8.4-dev via apt-get < Anders> Whisky_, you don't need tk8.4-dev |
| 17:34.38 | Anders | stew, he said he installed tk8.4-dev aswell, and tk is a GUI toolkit |
| 17:34.46 | Whisky_ | stew: There's a difference between tcl and tk |
| 17:34.54 | stew | oh, i'm sorry, i misread |
| 17:35.19 | pipeline | Wyzard: X uses such a bewildering set of protocols that it doesn't work through firewall or NAT either, without clever tunneling. We just happen to have a tunnel-in-a-box available (ssh -X) |
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| 17:36.13 | amorphix | hi all |
| 17:36.18 | amorphix | here's the situation... I'm running CUPS on a box which is on my LAN behind a gateway machine, and I want to let users on the Internet share my printer... do I need to use a reverse proxy in Apache via the gateway machine? |
| 17:36.26 | Wyzard | pipeline: Right, but if the user has managed to run an X app remotely, they reasonably expect it to work... which it won't if their X display is SSH-tunneled through a NAT, and their CORBA/dbus/etc. can't connect back through that |
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| 17:37.29 | beardy | amorphix: Why do you want the Internet to abuse your printer? Isn't that what vpn is for? if you still want it. |
| 17:38.13 | maman | i have hotplug install on my puter , when i put my usb key in , she is automounted. what i am supposed to do before removing it ? is there any kind of unmount command ? |
| 17:38.28 | amorphix | beardy: well i want to share it with work colleagues, i will use security restrictions |
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| 17:39.22 | amorphix | I'm just wondering what I should do |
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| 17:39.38 | crashbg | can anyone tell me why in KDE and sarge my desktop icons change their place in reboot? |
| 17:39.39 | rbochan | just let them scp it over and print it that way |
| 17:39.44 | furrywolf | argh! I can't get the sarge installer to boot. the laptop just reboots. no errors, nothing. |
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| 17:39.46 | beardy | amorphix: Configure the gateway to let through cups traffic, to the machine it runs on? |
| 17:40.00 | Triffid_Hunter | amorphix: make them all ssh keys, set up putty or whatever to forward port 631 through the gateway. |
| 17:40.03 | rbochan | furrywolf: that funnky old thing still? |
| 17:40.04 | beardy | amorphix: what rbochan said is better. |
| 17:40.18 | furrywolf | I might have to install woody and upgrade... |
| 17:40.33 | amorphix | beardy: yes exactly, i thought perhaps an apache proxy was the best way to achieve that since CUPS uses http protocol, but maybe im going about this the wrong way? |
| 17:40.56 | rbochan | beardy: you serious? I was totally guessing |
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| 17:42.00 | beardy | rbochan: scp is better than having a public available cups that anyone can connect to, I think that's better anyway. |
| 17:42.02 | furrywolf | any ideas on why it would magically reboot? :) |
| 17:42.04 | rbochan | true |
| 17:42.19 | amorphix | well my cups isnt publically available |
| 17:42.21 | rbochan | furrywolf: ide support missing for that old thing? |
| 17:42.34 | amorphix | its restricted to specific hosts |
| 17:42.45 | valdyn | amorphix: cups listens on port 631 and is independent of apache. |
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| 17:43.15 | beardy | amorphix: Anyone can try to connect to it, can't they? If you let it out/in through the gateway. |
| 17:43.43 | amorphix | not if you deny from all and allow from only selected hosts |
| 17:43.47 | amorphix | they wont be able to connect |
| 17:44.03 | beardy | furrywolf: Checked if your magical powersupply, or other hardware haven't let out some magic smoke? |
| 17:44.21 | Schiz0 | lmao |
| 17:44.26 | furrywolf | beardy: it boots win95 just fine... |
| 17:44.30 | Whisky_ | Yes! |
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| 17:44.33 | Whisky_ | Anders: it worked |
| 17:44.37 | Whisky_ | :p |
| 17:44.41 | Anders | Whisky_, eww :( |
| 17:45.01 | Whisky_ | Why ? Dont u like girls? :) |
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| 17:45.17 | flamesrock | hey guys, I got a quick question |
| 17:45.35 | Schiz0 | flamesrock- ask it. |
| 17:45.38 | flamesrock | is it possible to make a directory unreadable, but the php file inside executable? |
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| 17:45.45 | Anders | Whisky_, oh, you are a girl :D |
| 17:45.51 | Whisky_ | :) |
| 17:45.58 | Whisky_ | why would u ? |
| 17:46.03 | Pryon | statistics |
| 17:46.09 | Anders | girls dont set up eggdrops in linux |
| 17:46.11 | beardy | furrywolf: You have to rotate the power cord, since something is reversed, win95 is truly bad coding, and since your box likes that, somethign is wrong ;) (just joking with you) |
| 17:46.21 | Whisky_ | Anders: Think again, we are in 2005 |
| 17:46.29 | Anders | ;s |
| 17:46.32 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:46.37 | Schiz0 | pffft girls and linux? |
| 17:46.51 | Schiz0 | I tried to teach my ex how to code TCL |
| 17:46.53 | Anders | lol |
| 17:46.55 | Schiz0 | she wanted to kill me. |
| 17:46.56 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 17:47.00 | nvz | flamesrock: no, why would you need to do that? |
| 17:47.04 | Anders | Tcl is nice |
| 17:47.08 | js_ | where does mkinitrd get its modules from? i just created a new kernel and need to make an initrd image.. i want to know if it gets it from the current kernel, or somewhere else |
| 17:47.09 | Schiz0 | yeah i like tcl |
| 17:47.11 | rbochan | tcl==evil |
| 17:47.12 | Anders | although it's horrible sometimes |
| 17:47.16 | Schiz0 | Haha. |
| 17:47.24 | Schiz0 | I had to learn it for eggdrop scripting |
| 17:47.27 | Schiz0 | and some xchat |
| 17:47.29 | Anders | i use it via tclsh |
| 17:47.32 | flamesrock | nvz, well I don't want the owner of the directory to be able to read the file, but I want him to be able to execute it |
| 17:47.33 | Anders | i never use eggdrops |
| 17:47.54 | flamesrock | for example /user/private |
| 17:47.58 | Anders | anyway gtg |
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| 17:48.10 | Schiz0 | Anders- what do you use? (assuming you use some type of bot othger then eggdrop) |
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| 17:48.24 | js_ | nevermind, the manpage told me |
| 17:48.24 | nvz | flamesrock: you cannot let someone execute a script without letting them also read it that I know of |
| 17:48.36 | Kven | Must I keep my sound driver as a module for alsa to work? |
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| 17:48.47 | nvz | Kven: no |
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| 17:48.54 | flamesrock | ahh I see, even serverside ones? |
| 17:48.56 | Anders | Schiz0, my own, using sockets |
| 17:49.24 | Schiz0 | Meh. I guess that works. |
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| 17:50.06 | nyterukh | quick question...how do i get kdm to let root sign in |
| 17:50.27 | rbochan | nyterukh: you have to tell it to via the cde control center or manual editing |
| 17:50.38 | rbochan | *cde/kde |
| 17:50.59 | rbochan | why you'd want to is the big mystery |
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| 17:51.56 | furrywolf | using mem=48m makes it boot... now gives "/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: invalid ELF header". does the hd-install initrd actually work? :P |
| 17:52.00 | nyterukh | tried that |
| 17:52.01 | beardy | nyterukh: You don't. |
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| 17:52.26 | nyterukh | ah so got to log in via the console then startx? |
| 17:52.27 | beardy | furrywolf: Do you have memory problems? Run memtest. |
| 17:52.41 | rbochan | beardy: that'll take weeks on that old thing |
| 17:52.48 | beardy | nyterukh: Root doesnät need or want to run X. |
| 17:52.57 | furrywolf | beardy: can't run memtest easily. the machine has no boot media other than the hard drive, which still only has win95 on it... |
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| 17:53.00 | nyterukh | i do :} |
| 17:53.28 | furrywolf | win95, amazingly, is actually stable on it... |
| 17:53.47 | man_in_shack | stable? |
| 17:53.50 | man_in_shack | you gotta be kidding |
| 17:53.57 | man_in_shack | give it a month |
| 17:54.01 | beardy | nyterukh: If you need to be root while in X, use su in your favourite xterm. |
| 17:54.04 | furrywolf | man_in_shack: hence the "amazingly" part. :P |
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| 17:54.29 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: so rip out the harddrive, install something that can run memtest, stick it back in, and continue on with life. |
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| 17:54.41 | alex_extreme | XD |
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| 17:54.52 | nyterukh | ok idid log in once via console then start x..just wanted to know if thier was another way like gdm |
| 17:54.57 | furrywolf | dondelelcaro: are you buying the adapter plug? :P |
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| 17:55.25 | beardy | nyterukh: Why do you want to run root? Don't, you'll hang yourself sooner or later. |
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| 17:55.42 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: oit |
| 17:55.48 | choi | hello, |
| 17:55.51 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: it's your equipment, not mine. |
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| 17:56.02 | choi | after i edit grub, do i have to run any other coomand like lilo does? |
| 17:56.18 | tarzeau | jharrison: wanna try some other package? |
| 17:56.31 | tarzeau | jharrison: here's a player http://rus.members.beeb.net/aylet.html it builds a console and a x11 version |
| 17:56.35 | netman1 | choi: No, you don't |
| 17:56.41 | Xytek^ | Can anyone help me with getting my soundcard to work? I've tried alsa it doesnt seem to autodetect.. |
| 17:56.42 | tarzeau | jharrison: i can also give you a link to ay-collection songs |
| 17:56.52 | choi | k thanks |
| 17:56.53 | Overand | also, you can edit grub from inside grub, more or less |
| 17:57.04 | netman1 | choi: assumption: it worked before your change |
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| 17:58.33 | raf256 | what was that util to see X events? |
| 17:58.51 | resiak | raf256: xev ? |
| 17:59.03 | furrywolf | xidump? |
| 17:59.21 | netman1 | I can't get make-kpkg to create a deb that contains an initrd.gz, I did use --initrd, but it warns about the debian cramfs patch. Since I use the 'kernel-source- blah', that shouldn't matter, but it still fails. Anybody? |
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| 17:59.36 | raf256 | hmm ok, |
| 17:59.46 | resiak | netman1: Just ignore the warnign |
| 17:59.54 | Kven | What could cause "hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }(\n)hdc: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }" in dmesg? Low quality cord? |
| 17:59.58 | raf256 | for some reason ctrl+shift+T (new-tab) stoped working in my gnome-terminal, just for one user :( why? Im uisng KDE. |
| 18:00.06 | Wyzard | netman1: If you use kernel-source then you have cramfs, so when it warns you that you need cramfs, you can tell it yes, continue |
| 18:00.17 | furrywolf | Kven: most likely a bad cable, yes. could be other hardware problems though. also could be bad ram. |
| 18:00.22 | Wyzard | netman1: It doesn't actually check whether you have cramfs; just warns you unconditionally |
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| 18:00.42 | netman1 | resiak: I did, but when I dpkg -x the resulting deb it does not have a initrd.gz ... |
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| 18:00.56 | netman1 | Wyzard: idem |
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| 18:01.01 | Wyzard | netman1: The initrd is generated by the postinst script when you install the .deb |
| 18:01.21 | netman1 | Wyzard : that's new for me ... |
| 18:01.30 | Wyzard | netman1: It can't be built into the .deb, because then the .deb would be specific to the computer it was built on, at the time it was built |
| 18:01.31 | rbochan | is initrd even necessary any more? |
| 18:01.50 | auk | does dpkg have an easy interface to remove packages (liek a -r switch or something) ? |
| 18:01.53 | netman1 | Wyzard : thanks for the tip, I'll search along that way. |
| 18:02.01 | stew | rbochan: it's never been necessary but it is always an option |
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| 18:02.03 | Wyzard | netman1: Just install the .deb, and you'll have your initrd |
| 18:02.16 | auk | if so, is it ~teh same as apt-get |
| 18:02.20 | netman1 | Wyzard: thanks. |
| 18:02.20 | coll | oh im so silly! |
| 18:02.20 | stew | auk: yes, in fact, its -r |
| 18:02.24 | rbochan | stew: that's what I tohught, but I don't have alot of experience with 2.6 kernels yet |
| 18:02.27 | auk | cool |
| 18:02.30 | Wyzard | rbochan: It's necessary in distribution kernels, to support a wide range of hardware without building tons of drivers into the kernel |
| 18:02.36 | coll | all this time i was compiling for nothing |
| 18:02.43 | Wyzard | rbochan: It's also necessary for setups like root-on-LVM or encrypted-root |
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| 18:02.56 | rbochan | one of these days I'll compile me a custom 2.6 for my crap-o-laptop |
| 18:02.59 | coll | i was runing make-kpkg with normal user |
| 18:03.10 | stew | coll: that is the correct thing to do |
| 18:03.33 | coll | how could it be, it errored out about it |
| 18:03.36 | Wyzard | coll: I mentioned this earlier but I don't think you responded... why not use a precompiled kernel-image? |
| 18:03.41 | auk | stew: does it clean up after itself (liek apt-get remove) |
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| 18:03.43 | auk | ? |
| 18:03.48 | coll | echo applied kernel patches: >> debian/buildinfo |
| 18:03.48 | coll | echo done > stamp-build |
| 18:03.48 | coll | need root privileges |
| 18:03.50 | coll | make: *** [kernel-image-deb] Error 1 |
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| 18:03.56 | coll | sorry for the flood |
| 18:04.02 | resiak | auk: apt is a dpkg frontend. Yes, it does. |
| 18:04.14 | auk | ok |
| 18:04.16 | auk | thanks |
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| 18:05.07 | resiak | !tell coll -about kp manta |
| 18:05.09 | coll | ok so now do i need to somehow clear it or can i just re-ru make-kpkg as root? |
| 18:05.09 | resiak | !tell coll -about kp mantra |
| 18:05.09 | Wyzard | coll: I think you're supposed to run it under fakeroot |
| 18:05.25 | Wyzard | coll: But you probably don't need to compile a custom kernel anyway |
| 18:05.37 | coll | brb |
| 18:05.45 | coll | i think bitchx is all screwed up |
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| 18:05.56 | rbochan | heh... by default |
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| 18:06.31 | coll | ok back. |
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| 18:07.14 | Xytek^ | Can anyone help me with getting my soundcard to work? I've tried alsa it doesnt seem to autodetect.. and its listed on their site. as working. also lspci shows my card name.. etc. |
| 18:07.17 | resiak | coll: Why ar you rolling your own kernel? |
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| 18:09.30 | auk | oh my god the limewire screeen had monopolized my desktop |
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| 18:09.40 | Epistemic | FieldySnuts welcome to join this room hope u enjoy stay here |
| 18:09.51 | FieldySnuts | um. |
| 18:09.57 | auk | it's on every desktop and it won't let me put it behind other windows |
| 18:10.02 | auk | any ideas? |
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| 18:10.07 | Epistemic | Wyzard welcome to join this room hope u enjoy stay here |
| 18:10.08 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: ping ( Epistemic welcome script) |
| 18:10.09 | resiak | !any ideas |
| 18:10.09 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little vegemite, and 42 starving oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:10.10 | auk | (jsut the splash window) |
| 18:10.11 | rbochan | auk: send it to another desktop |
| 18:10.15 | Wyzard | !ops Epistemic on-join spam |
| 18:10.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Epistemic on-join spam |
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| 18:10.17 | Epistemic | resiak welcome to join this room hope u enjoy stay here |
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| 18:10.18 | Epistemic | sphair welcome to join this room hope u enjoy stay here |
| 18:10.20 | auk | rbochan: i can't |
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| 18:10.24 | Epistemic | t0m welcome to join this room hope u enjoy stay here |
| 18:10.26 | auk | it's on every one |
| 18:10.27 | resiak | !ops Epistemic is an on-join bot |
| 18:10.27 | FieldySnuts | stop it |
| 18:10.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Epistemic is an on-join bot |
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| 18:10.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-24-131-139-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 18:10.37 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 18:10.41 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Ta |
| 18:10.42 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 18:10.47 | auk | and i can't access the metacity menu |
| 18:11.03 | auk | damn, i killing metacity and starting windowmaker. |
| 18:11.11 | auk | let's see what happens |
| 18:11.13 | nvz | I didnt know megashitty had a menu |
| 18:11.15 | Xytek^ | http://opensource.creative.com |
| 18:11.19 | coll | resiak: cause i need some custom qos (htb, cbq, etc) features that aren't present in my current 2.4.18bf2.4 kernel so im re-compiling a new 2.4.31 with those features. |
| 18:11.47 | resiak | coll: Are those features in a non-install but stock kernel? |
| 18:11.52 | coll | a question from before- after make-kpkg errored out do i need to run some 'make clean' or should i go make-kpkg again now as root? |
| 18:12.09 | coll | resiak: what do you mean? |
| 18:12.16 | Wyzard | coll: The bf2.4 kernel is an installer kernel, stripped down to fit on the woody install floppies |
| 18:12.18 | nvz | coll: there is no reason to ever run make-kpkg as root, reguardless of the error |
| 18:12.36 | nvz | coll: and yes you should probably run make-kpkg clean |
| 18:12.36 | Wyzard | coll: The standard precompiled kernels include many more features, including probably the QoS stuff you want |
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| 18:12.47 | coll | Wyzard: yeah and i've done an apt dist upgrade to sarge |
| 18:13.04 | Wyzard | coll: But you're still running the woody installer's kernel |
| 18:13.18 | Wyzard | coll: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4; install one of those |
| 18:13.21 | coll | Wyzard: well it suits my need. so why not? |
| 18:13.33 | stew | coll: it aparantly doesn't suit your need |
| 18:13.38 | Wyzard | coll: It *doesn't* suit your need -- otherwise you wouldn't be compiling a new one :-) |
| 18:13.52 | stew | coll: the standard debian kernels include qos, you just need to apt-get install a real kernel |
| 18:13.53 | Wyzard | coll: But Debian has precompiled kernels available which aren't stripped down like your current one is |
| 18:13.55 | coll | my point is that it was working fine until now |
| 18:13.58 | auk | damn! i can't switch |
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| 18:14.09 | Wyzard | coll: And there's nothing wrong with running it as long as it meets your needs |
| 18:14.14 | coll | but *now* i want to implement some new qos features which is why im compiling a new kernel. |
| 18:14.22 | Wyzard | coll: But now that you need QoS, my point is, you do not need to compile a new kernel |
| 18:14.26 | ubuntu | morning ppls |
| 18:14.40 | Wyzard | coll: There are other kernels available, already compiled and packaged, which you can just install |
| 18:14.40 | coll | Wyzard: maybe i need to apt update but im not seeing 2.4.31 there |
| 18:14.40 | nyterukh | hi |
| 18:14.42 | gravity | !ubuntu |
| 18:14.42 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
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| 18:14.54 | nvz | gravity: smelled like a troll to you too? |
| 18:15.03 | Vivaldi | hello |
| 18:15.04 | gravity | Yeah |
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| 18:15.18 | Vivaldi | i have gpg keys on another host X. how can i import them? |
| 18:15.31 | ubuntu | gravity, was that ment for me? |
| 18:15.33 | Wyzard | coll: 2.4.27 is the version in sarge... supported by the security team, so security fixes implemented in later versions get backported to it |
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| 18:15.53 | coll | Wyzard: i understand. you suggest runing apt-get install kernel-2.4.31 and it'll do everything automatically. but im telling you im not seeing it there. besides, my current .config works just fine. so i appended to it the qos stuff and recompiled it |
| 18:16.04 | nvz | ubuntu: that was a pre-warning that we don't care about ubuntu here |
| 18:16.13 | Wyzard | coll: Install kernel-image-2.4.27 |
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| 18:16.19 | gravity | ubuntu: Yes |
| 18:16.28 | nvz | ubuntu: your nick is suspiciously implying you came here to talk about ubuntu |
| 18:16.31 | Wyzard | coll: You're not running 2.4.31 already, so I doubt you need features found only in 2.4.31 that aren't in 2.4.27 |
| 18:16.51 | nyterukh | brb |
| 18:16.56 | gtlarue | :) |
| 18:16.57 | coll | Wyzard: ok, what the hell im gonna do just that :) |
| 18:16.58 | Xytek^ | Can someone please help me, with getting my soundcard to work, I'm new to linux. it's a creative labs card, apparently they're easy to set up? |
| 18:17.13 | nvz | Xytek^: be more specific |
| 18:17.18 | Wyzard | coll: You've edited your config, but you're running into trouble with the compilation, and we're trying to save the trouble of doing a custom build that you don't need to do anyway |
| 18:17.24 | gravity | Xytek^: Install discover |
| 18:17.40 | Xytek^ | Alsa doesnt auto-detect it.. :/ |
| 18:17.45 | Xytek^ | but its listed on their site.. |
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| 18:18.05 | nvz | Xytek^: show output of command: cat /etc/debian_version; uname -r; lspci | grep audio |
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| 18:18.11 | coll | Wyzard: i understand. but try to understand me too, the error simply reports a problem as root. so it seems that its just that |
| 18:18.12 | nvz | Xytek^: preferably on one line |
| 18:18.34 | Wyzard | coll: make-kpkg needs to be run under fakeroot if you're running it as a normal user |
| 18:18.50 | nvz | coll: apt-get install fakeroot |
| 18:18.57 | nvz | coll: add --rootcmd=fakeroot |
| 18:18.59 | stew | coll: why not just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 and be done? |
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| 18:19.17 | coll | stew: lol, nah im gonna stick with 2.4 :) |
| 18:19.36 | Wyzard | coll: But please just use the precompiled kernel-image... that way when it gets updated (due to security fixes, for example), you get the update automatically as part of your routine updates, rather than having to notice the change and then compile the whole thing again |
| 18:20.12 | coll | ok well im gonna drop the pre-compiled way |
| 18:20.24 | coll | Wyzard: all there is to is apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27? no lilo editing or whatever? |
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| 18:21.10 | Gnurdux | is there any debian package, i know not in apt but at all for unrealirc |
| 18:21.12 | initech | coll: if you left /vmlinuz alone, no, no editing |
| 18:21.15 | Gnurdux | *unrealircd |
| 18:21.19 | Wyzard | coll: The package will put vmlinuz and the modules in place, including a "vmlinuz" symlink which points to the specific 2.4.27 vmlinuz file |
| 18:21.26 | stew | coll: so why not apt-get install kernel-image-2.4 and be done? |
| 18:21.33 | auk | damn! i had to kill java |
| 18:21.41 | FieldySnuts | no loss there |
| 18:21.43 | nvz | Gnurdux: if its not on packages.debian.org (official packages) check apt-get.org |
| 18:21.46 | Xytek^ | nvz, cat: etc/debian_version: No such file or directory 2.4.27-2-386 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) |
| 18:21.49 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 18:22.00 | coll | stew: i think your lagging. i was just saying im gonna go apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27 :) |
| 18:22.05 | nvz | Gnurdux: if its not in debian its off-topic here, you check apt-get.org, if its not listed, oh well :P |
| 18:22.05 | resiak | Xytek^: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:22.08 | Wyzard | coll: I dunno how your lilo is currently configured, but you should make sure it's configured to boot "vmlinuz", and then re-run lilo |
| 18:22.13 | auk | at the end java gave me a message saying taht liemwire need ed a different version of java |
| 18:22.16 | resiak | Xytek^: Note the two slashes. |
| 18:22.24 | Xytek^ | ah |
| 18:22.27 | FieldySnuts | snicker. java "apps" |
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| 18:22.50 | nvz | Xytek^: you need to use the emu10k1 driver for the Audigy I reckon |
| 18:22.53 | coll | Wyzard: im not sure myself. hold on |
| 18:23.03 | initech | FieldySnuts: you mean "applets"? |
| 18:23.10 | initech | or is it "craplets" |
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| 18:23.15 | gentgeen__ | where do I set 10.0.1.1 as my DNS server? |
| 18:23.22 | FieldySnuts | man resolv.conf |
| 18:23.29 | nvz | knoppix: knoppix support is #knoppix, this is #debian. Knoppix is not Debian |
| 18:23.39 | Xytek^ | nvz, yeah ive concluded that from http://opensource.creative.com as well as alsa-project.net - but Im not sure how to install them? |
| 18:23.40 | coll | Wyzard: yeah image=/vmlinuz |
| 18:23.43 | gentgeen__ | that is what a thought, thanks -- trouble then is with firewall :-) |
| 18:23.53 | Wyzard | coll: You should be OK then |
| 18:24.09 | Xytek^ | debian version is 3.1 btw. |
| 18:24.21 | coll | Wyzard: well ok. but what i dont like about it is that it doesnt leave an old copy of the kernel unlike dpkg |
| 18:24.25 | nvz | Xytek^: then you should probably install discover and forget about it |
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| 18:24.32 | nvz | Xytek^: it will take care of it for you |
| 18:24.37 | Wyzard | coll: You still need to re-run "lilo" to update the boot configuration; the kernel-image package is capable of doing that automatically when you install it, but I'm not sure whether it does so by default |
| 18:24.55 | Xytek^ | nvz, how do i get discover? :) |
| 18:25.05 | Wyzard | coll: Kernel-image packages don't touch each other... if you install a new one, the old ones are still there |
| 18:25.07 | nvz | Xytek^: apt-get install discover |
| 18:25.10 | Xytek^ | kk |
| 18:25.16 | coll | Wyzard: true |
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| 18:25.36 | Wyzard | coll: The default behavior is to rename the "vmlinuz" symlink to "vmlinuz.old", and then create a new "vmlinuz" symlink... so you'd typically have entries for "vmlinuz" and "vmlinuz.old" (optional) in your lilo config |
| 18:25.55 | coll | Wyzard: but im saying that dpkg would've probably create a new image entry in lilo.conf and so i could always just reboot with the previous kernel that worked. but now if the new kernel wont boot up ill be stuck booting into the system |
| 18:26.10 | Wyzard | coll: However, you're currently using an old boot-floppies kernel, which isn't actually from a kernel-image package, so that might behave differently |
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| 18:26.48 | Wyzard | coll: The precompiled kernel-image packages behave exactly the same as the ones you build with make-kpkg... they're just built with make-kpkg by the maintainer |
| 18:27.01 | Xytek^ | nvz, it ran.. do i need to reboot for the changes to take effect? |
| 18:27.10 | gentgeen__ | after editing /etc/resolv.conf -- do I need to do anything for the changes to take effect? |
| 18:27.11 | Wyzard | coll: If your custom kernel package would be able to update your lilo.conf, then the precompiled one can too... but I haven't used lilo in several years so I don't know about that capability |
| 18:27.25 | FieldySnuts | gentgeen__: some dumb applications such as mozilla need restarted |
| 18:27.35 | coll | Wyzard: ok im just gonna fetch it with apt-get |
| 18:27.39 | coll | Wyzard: ill let you know how it goes |
| 18:27.44 | nvz | Xytek^: I have no idea. I dont care for discover and never use it. Its just a program to auto detect and load modules for hardware |
| 18:27.45 | Wyzard | coll: I do know that capability exists with grub though |
| 18:27.54 | gentgeen__ | just tring to get 'aptitude update' to work from behind the firewall |
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| 18:28.11 | nvz | Xytek^: you may need to run alsaconfig as well |
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| 18:28.27 | Wyzard | coll: But after you install the new kernel, the "vmlinuz.old" symlink will point to your old kernel, so if you have an entry for that in your lilo config, you'll be able to boot the old one if necessary |
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| 18:28.55 | coll | Wyzard: thats what im doing that. im creating a new vmlinuz.old to point to the current kernel in /boot |
| 18:29.01 | Xytek^ | when i run alsa it says no supported PnP or PCI card detected... meanwhile its listed on their site. |
| 18:29.06 | coll | the /vmlinuz is a soft link right? |
| 18:29.36 | Wyzard | coll: You don't need to create the symlink; the kernel-image installation will do that for you |
| 18:29.36 | goron | Could some xmodmap guru tell me whatÅ› wrong with this line in .Xmodmap: keysym Alt_R = Mode_switch |
| 18:29.42 | Wyzard | coll: Just put the entry for it in lilo.conf |
| 18:29.48 | goron | I get xmodmap: .Xmodmap:1: bad keysym target keysym 'Alt_R', no corresponding keycodes |
| 18:29.48 | goron | xmodmap: 1 error encountered, aborting. |
| 18:29.52 | Draconicus | I need to make an alarm that will go off on specific days and at specific times each day. I know there's a command that can do this in combination with mpg123 to play an mp3. What is the 'at this time' command, and can it specify days? |
| 18:30.08 | Wyzard | Draconicus: man at |
| 18:30.46 | coll | Wyzard: i meant, what i just did is creating a symlink /vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 18:30.55 | stew | Draconicus: at and cron |
| 18:30.58 | coll | Wyzard: and i already have the image=/vmlinuz.old entry in lilo.conf so i think im set |
| 18:31.23 | Wyzard | coll: When you install the kernel-image package, it does "mv /vminuz /vmlinuz.old" and then creates a new vmlinuz symlink |
| 18:31.34 | coll | Wyzard: oh heh |
| 18:31.35 | stew | coll: make sure that you have an initrd entry for the new kernel |
| 18:31.39 | Wyzard | coll: Creating that symlink by hand isn't harmful, but you don't need to do it |
| 18:31.44 | coll | Wyzard: so should i delete the current link ive just created? |
| 18:31.48 | paulswm | Draconicus: If you want to set up a regular schedule, you would use cron or anacron |
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| 18:31.58 | Wyzard | coll: nah, it'll just get overwritten |
| 18:32.00 | coll | stew: why? |
| 18:32.02 | coll | Wyzard: ok cool |
| 18:32.09 | coll | stew: what this about a new initrd entry? |
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| 18:32.42 | stew | coll: becuase debian stock kernel's require it. (it was mentioned when did apt-get) initrd=/initrd.img, (man lilo.conf) |
| 18:32.50 | Wyzard | coll: btw, if for some reason you reinstall the kernel package which vmlinuz.old already points to, it will intelligently swap the two symlinks rather than overwriting one with the other |
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| 18:33.08 | furrywolf | ok, I think I'm going to give up on sarge, and try a woody install... |
| 18:33.15 | Wyzard | coll: Oh, yeah, you need to make sure lilo is configured to load an initrd... there's an "initrd.img" symlink for that, parallel to the "vmlinuz" one |
| 18:33.23 | gtlarue | awwww |
| 18:33.25 | hecate | any idea why that rightclick popup menu on workplace isnt workin anymore? |
| 18:33.29 | hecate | in debian |
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| 18:33.41 | hecate | backround gone aswell |
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| 18:33.56 | abrotman | in which WM ? |
| 18:34.13 | hecate | xfe |
| 18:34.15 | coll | Wyzard, stew: hold on. you've got me confused now with initrd... |
| 18:34.32 | OldakQuill | Hey, I've installed Java and everything to do with it but applications are opened by Ark and I don't seem to have alternative software to select |
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| 18:34.54 | stew | coll: first of all, do you know what an initrd is? /msg dpkg initrd |
| 18:34.57 | abrotman | xfe isn't a WM |
| 18:35.02 | abrotman | xfce is |
| 18:35.04 | abrotman | xfe isn't |
| 18:35.17 | hecate | well like i know wtf it is :P |
| 18:35.20 | abrotman | isn't ark its own linux |
| 18:35.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: XFCE is a desktop environment... XFWM is its window manager :-) |
| 18:35.24 | hecate | wm, wp, ws |
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| 18:35.27 | hecate | , same to me |
| 18:35.28 | abrotman | !lart Wyzard |
| 18:35.30 | OldakQuill | Ark is archiving software |
| 18:35.36 | abrotman | ah .. that ark |
| 18:35.43 | OldakQuill | It opens up .jar files as archives |
| 18:35.47 | OldakQuill | Rater |
| 18:35.48 | coll | well that wasnt helpful hee |
| 18:35.53 | OldakQuill | Rather than run them as is |
| 18:36.12 | OldakQuill | Perhaps I don't have a Java Runtime Environment? |
| 18:36.17 | abrotman | OldakQuill: #debian-kde ? |
| 18:36.23 | abrotman | is it really java ? |
| 18:36.27 | abrotman | wait .. ark is Qt .. ? |
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| 18:36.32 | Wyzard | coll: Basically, you need to tell lilo to load the initrd.img in addition to the vmlinuz |
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| 18:36.54 | Wyzard | coll: IIRC, the way to do that in lilo is to put "initrd=/boot/initrd.img" on the line with the kernel's boot options |
| 18:37.15 | Wyzard | coll: or /boot/initrd.img.old for the vmlinuz.old entry |
| 18:37.37 | stew | Wyzard: if he's referencing the kernel in / not /boot then he probabaly should use the initrd.img symlink in / as well, right? |
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| 18:37.38 | Wyzard | coll: It's a one-time change |
| 18:37.55 | coll | Wyzard: i see. but I don't have an initrd anywhere in /boot |
| 18:38.08 | Wyzard | stew: Well, the vmlinuz symlinks are placed in / by default (for seme strange reason that I don't understand), but I think the initrd links still go in /boot |
| 18:38.15 | JRlinux | New Debian Sarge installation. No sound! My sound card is Creative Sound Blaster 16 Plug and Play; when booting I get this:Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 18:38.20 | Wyzard | Have you installed the kernel-image package already? |
| 18:38.33 | coll | Wyzard: nope. |
| 18:38.43 | stew | Wyzard: dpkg puts initrd.img symlinks in / for me |
| 18:38.47 | Wyzard | coll: Install it, and the initrd will be generated at the same time as the vmlinuz is installed |
| 18:38.56 | coll | Wyzard: just finding out everything to be done with you before i do it |
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| 18:39.00 | JRlinux | How can I fix it? |
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| 18:39.12 | Wyzard | coll: and it seems I was partly wrong -- stew says the initrd.img symlinks are in /, not /boot like I'd thought |
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| 18:39.28 | coll | Wyzard: i see. then just add an initrd statement to lilo inside the image= block for the new and old vmlinuz blocks. right? |
| 18:39.33 | Wyzard | coll: right |
| 18:39.37 | Xytek^ | How can I find out what bus my soundcard is on/in ? |
| 18:39.39 | stew | or install grub and be done with it :) |
| 18:39.52 | Wyzard | stew: One step at a time :-) |
| 18:39.57 | coll | Wyzard: right. ok. gonna get 2.4.27 now |
| 18:40.12 | stew | Xytek^: check lspci first. if not isapnpdump. if not open the case and visually inspect |
| 18:40.53 | stew | Xytek^: i'm assuming you would know if it were on a usb bus or a 1394 bus |
| 18:40.59 | Xytek^ | its in the lspci - and apparently the drivers are already in the kernel, but i dont get any sound? |
| 18:41.04 | coll | Wyzard: also. this is an old machine as i was saying before (p1mmx 200mhz with 128ram) so im thinking of getting the kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 package |
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| 18:41.14 | stew | Xytek^: did you unmute with a mixer? |
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| 18:41.32 | stew | coll: that's correct |
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| 18:41.42 | coll | ok cool |
| 18:42.08 | Wyzard | coll: Get "kernel-image-2.4-386", which is a dummy package that will pull in "kernel-image-2.4.27-386" as a dependency |
| 18:42.34 | Xytek^ | im looking at kmix right now, it says Drivers Supported: Alsa + OSS, Drivers Used: |
| 18:42.38 | Wyzard | coll: That way, if the default 2.4 kernel gets upgraded to something other than 2.4.27 in the future, you'll automatically get the new one |
| 18:42.54 | Xytek^ | and theres no mixers listed.. :/ |
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| 18:43.44 | Wyzard | coll: btw, I agree with stew that you should strongly consider switching to grub at some point in the future; under grub, leaving an entry out of your boot configuration does *not* make it impossible to boot that kernel |
| 18:43.48 | stew | Xytek^: you have an alsa driver loaded? which one? which card? tried alsamixer? |
| 18:43.50 | furrywolf | woody install seems to work. guess I'll have to do woody->sarge after install... |
| 18:44.01 | FieldySnuts | heh have fun |
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| 18:44.14 | stew | furrywolf: is this your rube goldberg install you were talking about yesterday? |
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| 18:44.31 | Xytek^ | the card is a SB Audigy Gamer. I havent Tried alsamixer |
| 18:44.48 | furrywolf | stew: yep |
| 18:45.01 | Xytek^ | when i used discover it says the skipping emu10k1 driver.. assuming its in the kernel. |
| 18:45.10 | furrywolf | sarge install won't boot... but woody does. so looks like I'm starting with woody and upgrading. |
| 18:45.11 | coll | Wyzard: i know. im gonna move to grub just as soon as this 2.4.27 installs fine |
| 18:45.15 | stew | furrywolf: cool. whatever works. i've even recently used a potato installer just becuase it was the first one i got my hands onto :) |
| 18:45.19 | Xytek^ | and thats the driver i need. |
| 18:45.30 | Wyzard | coll: Sounds good :-) |
| 18:45.41 | stew | Xytek^: no you want snd_emu10k1 not emu10k1 for alsa |
| 18:45.42 | coll | Wyzard: it will also look good if the 2.4.27 goes fine :) |
| 18:45.43 | rbochan | furrywolf: hurray! |
| 18:45.46 | furrywolf | now I need to use fips from the partition it's running from. something it says to avoid doing. :P |
| 18:46.00 | coll | Wyzard: and you're sure its got htb/cbq and basically qos on it right? |
| 18:46.04 | furrywolf | actually, first I have to re-defragment the windoze partition... |
| 18:46.07 | Xytek^ | stew. alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 18:46.19 | rbochan | furrywolf: can I get a shell acct? ;) |
| 18:46.22 | stew | Xytek^: what does uname -r say? |
| 18:46.28 | furrywolf | the sarge install and loadlin doesn't seem to work together... |
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| 18:46.39 | Wyzard | coll: I'm not, but someone else said it did, and it doesn't take long to install so if it doesn't work you're no worse off than you started |
| 18:46.39 | FieldySnuts | !shoot MS |
| 18:46.42 | Isumi | Hi |
| 18:46.42 | smo_ | hi,when i use v4l-conf it show me v4l2 is used how can i get v4l not not v4l2 ?? |
| 18:46.51 | Isumi | how can I extract a .Z file? |
| 18:46.56 | FieldySnuts | man uncompress |
| 18:47.00 | Xytek^ | stew, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:47.01 | Isumi | ok thanks |
| 18:47.17 | ttick | what utility can I use if I'm at a location, and not sure if there is a WIFI hotspot here? Is there one to detect signal strength etc? |
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| 18:47.44 | stew | Xytek^: iirc alsa isn't in the 2.4 kernels unless you patch them |
| 18:47.50 | shingouz | ttick: i like kismet |
| 18:48.01 | stew | Xytek^: so you are using oss, not alsa, and then you should use the emu10k1 driver |
| 18:48.03 | shingouz | might be a bit overkill though |
| 18:48.04 | ttick | shingouz: okay, I'll DL that, thanks |
| 18:48.05 | smo_ | type iwlist scanning ttick |
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| 18:48.16 | Wyzard | stew: It's in separate alsa-modules packages, not patches |
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| 18:48.22 | furrywolf | FieldySnuts: I don't have much of a choice but to deal with MS. the laptop has no drives. only way to install linux is from the win95 install on the hard drive... |
| 18:48.31 | ttick | smo_: hmm, don't have iwlist. Better than kismet? |
| 18:48.39 | FieldySnuts | and other excuses, i've heard em all |
| 18:48.46 | smo_ | d know kismet |
| 18:48.47 | withdraw_ | ok when i mount my fat partition i can only read only it in gnomes builtin file browser but in the console I can write to it. |
| 18:48.53 | withdraw_ | heres my fstab |
| 18:48.54 | withdraw_ | /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat rw,users,exec 0 0 |
| 18:49.07 | smo_ | u see your wifi card with iwconfig?? |
| 18:49.07 | furrywolf | once I have debian installed, windows can go poof. :P |
| 18:49.11 | furrywolf | !u |
| 18:49.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:49.16 | withdraw_ | is the file browser running under a diff account |
| 18:49.23 | Wyzard | withdraw_: And you say you can write to that from a command prompt? |
| 18:49.28 | withdraw_ | yes |
| 18:49.30 | ttick | smo_: nope. :( |
| 18:49.38 | Wyzard | withdraw_: Would it happen to be a root prompt? |
| 18:49.41 | smo_ | what s ur wifi card? |
| 18:49.45 | smo_ | yoir |
| 18:49.48 | furrywolf | Wyzard: a root prompt, obviously... |
| 18:49.49 | FieldySnuts | speak english, geez |
| 18:49.49 | smo_ | your |
| 18:49.49 | withdraw_ | but when i use the file browser it wont let me |
| 18:49.50 | smo_ | damn |
| 18:49.55 | FieldySnuts | ok thanks |
| 18:50.05 | Xytek^ | stew, would it be possible for you to help me with installing the emu10k1 driver? I'm new, or maybe direct me to a site that will tell me how to do it? |
| 18:50.08 | Wyzard | withdraw_: The issue is that nobody but root has write permission to it |
| 18:50.10 | ttick | smo_: Linksys something or other :/ Hmm, got a way to tell w/o pulling it out? |
| 18:50.20 | withdraw_ | o i think thats it |
| 18:50.23 | withdraw_ | im root in the console |
| 18:50.28 | shingouz | ttick: the key here is the chipset |
| 18:50.33 | withdraw_ | does my fstab look ok? |
| 18:50.39 | Danar | i can't log in to gnome. i've tried regular gnome & gnome-failsafe, but they both hang with just the debian logo on the screen. tried upgrading to 2.10 but it still does it |
| 18:50.40 | smo_ | lspci |
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| 18:50.49 | withdraw_ | /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat rw,users,exec 0 0 |
| 18:50.53 | smo_ | call me in pv |
| 18:50.54 | Wyzard | withdraw_: "man mount", and look for the section titled "mount options for fat" |
| 18:51.01 | abrotman | Danar: tried moving your .gnome2 to say .. .gnome2-bkup ? |
| 18:51.04 | ttick | CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1250 ? |
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| 18:51.12 | mwilson | Gotta love how people think randomly upgrading something will fix it. |
| 18:51.14 | stew | Xytek^: do you have emu10k1 module loaded? lsmod | grep emu10k1 |
| 18:51.19 | Wyzard | withdraw_: Read about the "uid", "gid", "umask", "dmask", and "fmask" options |
| 18:51.25 | rbochan | mwilson: it doesn't?!??! |
| 18:51.25 | Danar | abrotman: nope. though i haven't logged into it yet... |
| 18:51.34 | Danar | abrotman: i haven't been able to at all |
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| 18:51.57 | shingouz | ttick: that is the pcmcia controller |
| 18:51.57 | Danar | mwilson: it _can_ |
| 18:52.00 | Xytek^ | stew, emu10k1-gp 1128 0 (unused) gameport 1388 0 [emu10k1-gp] |
| 18:52.13 | Wyzard | withdraw_: The vfat filesystem doesn't contain any ownership or permissions data, so the driver makes up "virtual" permissions, and the defaults are owned by root and only writable by root |
| 18:52.28 | mwilson | Danar: Seldom, if ever. |
| 18:52.30 | Wyzard | withdraw_: Those mount options let you specify a different set of virtual permissions for the driver to use |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman | Danar: oh .. fresh install ? |
| 18:52.31 | ttick | hmm, it's a PCMCIA card, of course. lspci didn't show it, I think |
| 18:52.49 | stew | Xytek^: then you don't have the driver loaded, try modprobe emu10k1 |
| 18:52.51 | Danar | abrotman: well, i had an older version of gnome installed months ago, but i removed it |
| 18:52.58 | FieldySnuts | @lart Danar |
| 18:53.02 | ttick | shingouz: over on #flood |
| 18:53.20 | Xytek^ | it says, modeprobe: command not found.. |
| 18:53.25 | Xytek^ | do modprobe rather. |
| 18:53.30 | Xytek^ | do i need to be root? |
| 18:53.30 | stew | Xytek^: as root |
| 18:53.35 | jacobo221 | i have an mp3 player which has internal 256MB of memory and a SD slot. usbmount will mount the internal memory but is unable to detect the SD card. what's more, when i plug the device, /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda are created (I use udev), but no more. So it looks like the kernel doesn't know about the SD card at all. has anyone gone through this problem beofre? |
| 18:53.38 | Danar | abrotman: but yeh, it should be a fresh install. i removed everything |
| 18:53.40 | shingouz | ttick: Thinkpad 600? |
| 18:53.49 | ttick | shingouz: 560z |
| 18:53.58 | abrotman | Danar: have you tried as a new user ? |
| 18:53.59 | shingouz | damn. i am losing my touch |
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| 18:54.09 | ttick | shingouz: but seems close enough for most things -- like your sound fix |
| 18:54.16 | shingouz | :) |
| 18:54.20 | Danar | hrm, don't really want any other users |
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| 18:54.24 | nvz | jacobo221: what kind of super secret mp3 player do you have? |
| 18:54.24 | ttick | shingouz: got a question about the sound thing too, when we finish this :) |
| 18:54.25 | Xytek^ | stew, k, i get some errors, can I pm you with them? |
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| 18:54.40 | JohnFlux | does the debian install have the ntfs resize prog? |
| 18:54.40 | stew | Xytek^: paste them into #flood |
| 18:54.45 | initech | jacobo221: if /dev/sda is created the kernel is seeing it - so you can't mount /dev/sda1 or what? |
| 18:54.45 | abrotman | Danar: well .. you can either try it .. or assume gnome is broken .. the other option is that something is wrong with your user files |
| 18:54.46 | jacobo221 | nvz: a traxdata mp3 player. it's chip is a SigmaTel |
| 18:54.50 | tarzeau | JohnFlux: i don't think so |
| 18:54.53 | Danar | abrotman: that would have the same effect as renaming .gnome2 right? |
| 18:55.01 | abrotman | Danar: not necessarily |
| 18:55.05 | Danar | well, mostly |
| 18:55.08 | Danar | i'll try that |
| 18:55.10 | ttick | shingouz: if it helps, I'm _on_ the wifi card right now. |
| 18:55.12 | shingouz | pull the card and see what it says on it. then hit google. in anycase the chipset is real important only if you instend to run kismet (which might be a bit overkill for you) ttick |
| 18:55.22 | jacobo221 | initech: /dev/sda1 is the internal memory. not the SD card. i can mount it, of course, and read it, and write it. but i want to read the SD card in the player |
| 18:55.30 | abrotman | Danar: there are lots of .gnome2* .. also .nautilus etc ... |
| 18:55.35 | ttick | shingouz: okay, brb then. |
| 18:55.43 | shingouz | ttick: do an lsmod and see what it say? |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: sleeping .. do not disturb! |
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| 18:56.05 | ttick | shingouz: orinoco_cs? |
| 18:56.05 | initech | jacobo221: well maybe you will need a separate sd reader |
| 18:56.06 | JRlinux | IS there support in Sarge for the Sound Blaster 16 audio card? Or must one download a driver? |
| 18:56.28 | ttick | shingouz: does that sound right? It sound familiar to me, for when I used to do wlan stuff. |
| 18:56.34 | JohnFlux | what's hoary? |
| 18:56.36 | shingouz | ttick: hm. that one is not capable to run the listing thingie at all. it does work though |
| 18:56.36 | nvz | I sometimes have to wonder if I actually clicked on mozilla firefox or not. |
| 18:56.37 | JohnFlux | unstable? |
| 18:56.38 | abrotman | JRlinux: isa? pci? |
| 18:56.38 | Triffid_Hunter | JRlinux: that's a kernel thing |
| 18:56.40 | nvz | takes so long to load |
| 18:56.40 | initech | JRlinux: there is support, but ISA cards are a pain to get going sometimes |
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| 18:56.47 | Triffid_Hunter | abrotman: isa |
| 18:56.51 | shingouz | JohnFlux: ubuntu. /j #ubuntu |
| 18:56.56 | JohnFlux | shingouz: ah |
| 18:56.57 | abrotman | how do you know it's isa ? |
| 18:57.05 | abrotman | they made sb16 pci |
| 18:57.07 | ttick | shingouz: yeah, I've been using it for about 3 years. But just usually only from my house. Now I'm at a coffee place. |
| 18:57.14 | JRlinux | Triffid_Hunter pci... I think. |
| 18:57.17 | abrotman | see |
| 18:57.18 | jacobo221 | initech: windows detects the device correctly. USB reports two standard generic disks. i don't see why linux shouldn't. no dirivers installed in win, btw. |
| 18:57.23 | abrotman | JRlinux: lspci .. do you see it ? |
| 18:57.32 | JRlinux | initech, I see |
| 18:57.54 | JRlinux | abrotman, I will look... brb |
| 18:57.55 | initech | jacobo221: does lsusbfind it? |
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| 18:58.04 | Triffid_Hunter | abrotman: i have like 10, never seen a pci sb16.. lowest end sb i've seen pci is an awe32 |
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| 18:58.20 | abrotman | Triffid_Hunter: they were pretty much garbage :) |
| 18:58.21 | shingouz | ttick: when you have the chance, pull the card and make note of what it is. then hit google. you could try 'cardctl ident' too for that matter |
| 18:58.22 | ttick | shingouz: the first coffeehouse has a hotspot, but I couldn't figured out how to attach to it (think it might be because I was asking for a specific IP). Went to the second coffeehosue (across the street) and got a bunch of messages that I went out of range of the AP. Then I pulled hte card and re-inserted and now I have a connection. |
| 18:58.46 | FieldySnuts | apt: war driving? |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | Triffid_Hunter: and since he doesn't know if it's isa or pci .. it's possible it's not sb16 |
| 18:58.51 | ttick | shingouz: "The Linksys Group, Inc.", "Instant Wireless Network PC Card", "ISL37300P", "RevA" |
| 18:58.56 | rbochan | JohnFlux: yes it does |
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| 18:59.09 | rbochan | JohnFlux: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s05.html.en |
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| 18:59.12 | jacobo221 | lsusbfind?? |
| 18:59.16 | jacobo221 | initech: lsusbfind?? |
| 18:59.22 | initech | jacobo221: lsusb |
| 18:59.24 | nvz | jacobo221: how about something more specific like vendor/product codes? |
| 18:59.26 | Blurry_3yes | hello all |
| 18:59.27 | shingouz | ttick: try with verbose mode. i think it should cough out some information on the chipset |
| 18:59.32 | JohnFlux | rbochan: so I guess the unstable disks also have it? :) |
| 18:59.53 | rbochan | I've never used the unstable discs, so I couldn't say |
| 19:00.02 | shingouz | JohnFlux: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:00.06 | jacobo221 | initech: lsusb detects the player. doesn't tell if the player reports X disks, or whatever. but yes, it detects the player |
| 19:00.19 | JohnFlux | shingouz: i gotta resize my ntfs partition then put on linux |
| 19:00.21 | JohnFlux | on my laptop |
| 19:00.22 | ttick | shingouz: hmm, cardctl doesn't seem to have a verbose option :/ |
| 19:00.24 | jacobo221 | nvz: 0a12:0001 |
| 19:00.34 | shingouz | ttick: hm :( |
| 19:00.38 | jacobo221 | nvz: sorry, i meant -> 066f:8004 |
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| 19:00.45 | FieldySnuts | best back that data up, resizing isn't exactly reliable (especially with ntfs) |
| 19:00.52 | ttick | shingouz: okay pulling the card, brb |
| 19:00.56 | rbochan | JohnFlux: make sure you defrag beforehand |
| 19:00.57 | shingouz | ttick: hit google with the info |
| 19:01.13 | JohnFlux | rbochan: ah yeah thanks |
| 19:01.24 | shingouz | only one wlan card? i am surprised |
| 19:01.35 | nvz | jacobo221: heh, I was wondering.. that is a bluetooth dongle 0a12:0001 |
| 19:01.50 | jacobo221 | nvz: yes ;) |
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| 19:02.35 | Danar | how do i give a user a password, or change it? |
| 19:02.44 | nvz | jacobo221: *shrug* not much comming up about that device |
| 19:02.54 | Triffid_Hunter | Danar: passwd |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | man passwd |
| 19:03.01 | jacobo221 | nvz: yes i know :( |
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| 19:03.02 | Danar | Triffid_Hunter: no, another user |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | in general .. passwd username |
| 19:03.10 | Triffid_Hunter | Danar: passwd |
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| 19:03.11 | Danar | er |
| 19:03.12 | JRlinux | abrotman, not listed in lspci. The error message when I boot says:Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 19:03.12 | JRlinux | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 19:03.13 | abrotman | Danar: and man passwd would tell you |
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| 19:03.22 | Danar | i checked man passwd |
| 19:03.26 | abrotman | JRlinux: then you have isa .. ewwww |
| 19:03.34 | JRlinux | Oh |
| 19:03.48 | nvz | jacobo221: is there any modes or something on the thing.. for example.. I've worked with some media playing cell phones, that when you plug them in to usb, you have to tell the phone to go into USB Mass Storage mode for the kernel to see the memory card |
| 19:03.51 | JRlinux | (Old computer) |
| 19:03.52 | ttick | shingouz: okay: WPC11 ver 3 is the card. I think it's the orinoc_cs driver that's used. I'll go lookup the chipset. |
| 19:04.00 | Triffid_Hunter | ;) abrotman |
| 19:04.14 | shingouz | JRlinux: try slapping the system with the sb driver. from alsa, of course. you may need to tell it the irq, ioports and dma settings though |
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| 19:04.19 | Eulex | JRlinux, install isapnptools |
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| 19:04.37 | Xytek^ | How would i go about upgrading, to Kernel 2.6.12.2 ? |
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| 19:05.05 | resiak | Xytek^: You wouldn't yet. Do you need to? |
| 19:05.06 | comforteagle | what is the packagename for installign berkeley db? |
| 19:05.12 | Triffid_Hunter | Xytek^: grab it off kernel.org |
| 19:05.30 | gentgeen__ | I just did a minimal install from behind a green side of firewall (with a DHCP server), things went fine -- then moved it to orange (no DHCP server) and I can't get out (DNS stuff) |
| 19:05.32 | jim | Xytek^: is there a package of it? also, why do you want to? |
| 19:05.35 | simonrvn | don't people even bother looking for it first? |
| 19:05.42 | gentgeen__ | is there a package that would not have been installed that I need? |
| 19:05.44 | Xytek^ | Well, I cant seem to get my sound working.. :/ |
| 19:05.44 | Eulex | Xytek^, and follow the instructions in /msg dpkg kp -- but do you really need to do that? |
| 19:05.52 | simonrvn | it being the package they need/want |
| 19:06.03 | jacobo221 | nvz: yes, it has mode SD and mode internal memory. but when plugged to a win machine it will report two BULK endpoints |
| 19:06.04 | JRlinux | Eulex apt-get install isapnptools might do it? |
| 19:06.06 | Triffid_Hunter | JRlinux: ask google about em all ;) |
| 19:06.06 | jim | Xytek^: why? |
| 19:06.11 | Eulex | JRlinux, yes |
| 19:06.21 | Schiz0 | JRlinux- google, or tldp.org |
| 19:06.47 | ttick | shingouz: okay, it's a Prism/2 chipset (so says kismet's website) |
| 19:07.00 | Xytek^ | Well, I posted a bunch of errors, it seems that it cant detect the card.. even though its listed under lspci, when i do modprobe emu10k1 it says... i dont have such a device. |
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| 19:07.13 | Xytek^ | mind you, the alsa website says thats the driver I need for my card.. :/ |
| 19:07.14 | nvz | jacobo221: I dont understand all of that, all I know is that you probably have to tell the device you want to access the memory card instead.. perhaps there is a way through software to do this.. but the kernel's usb_storage driver isnt going to know about it |
| 19:07.24 | Eulex | JRlinux, in that package there should be a binary called pnpdump or similar, that gets info about the isa cards in your machine |
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| 19:07.32 | nvz | jacobo221: if you can do it manually on the device, you should try that |
| 19:07.33 | comforteagle | I need db_recover |
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| 19:07.49 | Triffid_Hunter | JRlinux: irq ~= "hey cpu, attention needed".. io port ~= telephone number.. dma ~= "card, meet ram. ram, meet card. i'm gonna sit in the corner while you two work it out" |
| 19:07.51 | jim | Xytek^: try snd-emu10k1 |
| 19:08.21 | Xytek^ | jim, modprobe: Can't locate module snd-emu10k1 |
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| 19:08.32 | shingouz | ttick: in that case pick wlan-ng or maybe madwifi to run it. you need to hack with the modules quite a bit in anycase. orinoco-cs is not capable of what you ask it to do, most other drivers that work with prism2 have the functionality |
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| 19:08.39 | jacobo221 | nvz: no, there's no software way. the win box has no extra drivers installed. i'm almost certain there's a bug either in the kernel or in debian's udev rules |
| 19:08.40 | coll | Wyzard: im getting an error fetching that initrd tools package, 404 not found in two mirrors. |
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| 19:08.44 | jim | I must hae the wrong name... |
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| 19:08.53 | jacobo221 | nvz: i'm gonna try changing the main storage place in the player and re-plug it |
| 19:08.56 | simonrvn | comforteagle: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:09.07 | shingouz | ttick: personally i use wlan-ng but i have only one prism2 card here and that is usually not used at all |
| 19:09.15 | comforteagle | .msg dpkg search |
| 19:09.15 | Wyzard | coll: That's odd... maybe run "apt-get update" ? |
| 19:09.16 | Eulex | jim, I managed to modprobe it without any problem, even though I do not have such a card |
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| 19:09.36 | Eulex | Xytek^, what kernel are you on? |
| 19:09.36 | coll | Wyzard: its looking in Err http://mirror.hamakor.org.il testing/main initrd-tools 0.1.79 maybe its because now its stable? im gonna update yeah |
| 19:09.36 | Wyzard | coll: Could be that there's a new version, and the old version is no longer on the mirrors, but your apt doesn't know about the new one so it's trying to get the old one |
| 19:09.43 | Danar | renaming ~.gnome2/ didn't work, and neither did creating a new user. both still gave the same results |
| 19:09.54 | Wyzard | coll: You shouldn't have testing sources if you're running stable |
| 19:09.54 | jim | Xytek^: try snd_emu10k1 |
| 19:09.56 | Xytek^ | Eulex, , 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:09.57 | thirst | my sound plays much faster than normal for some type of files.. how can i fix this |
| 19:10.03 | ttick | shingouz: okay, I'm a little confused, so please set me straight. I have the card working right now -- out of the box Etch. I just want to scan for WIFI hotspots so I know if someone has their AP turned on or not, etc. |
| 19:10.11 | Eulex | Xytek^, time to upgrade? :) |
| 19:10.16 | nvz | thirst: play the other types of files :P |
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| 19:10.22 | Xytek^ | jim, I already tried that, did not work. |
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| 19:10.25 | Danar | gnome-core is the minimum package required to run gnome right? |
| 19:10.28 | ttick | shingouz: is this the path you are leading me down? Or have I mispresented my problem? |
| 19:10.38 | thirst | nvz: :) |
| 19:10.45 | jim | Xytek^: no, you tried snd-emu10k1 :) |
| 19:10.48 | Bradmont | for some reason, udev isn't creating /dev/input/mice... can anyone offer any suggestions? |
| 19:10.50 | Wyzard | Danar: Yes, but "gnome-desktop-environment" is the typical thing to install |
| 19:10.56 | Eulex | Xytek^, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 and choose the one you want |
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| 19:11.09 | falco_toadfoot | anyone know why udev isn't running on startup? |
| 19:11.12 | Xytek^ | jim, i also tried snd_emu10k1 when you said you mighth ave had the name wrong :P |
| 19:11.22 | jim | oh, and? |
| 19:11.30 | Eulex | Xytek^, that driver might not exist in 2.4 |
| 19:11.30 | Danar | Wyzard: yeah, but i don't want all that |
| 19:11.34 | shingouz | ttick: i hear you. the orinoco-cs driver dannot do what you ask it to do. it cannot run kismet on a prism2 and it cannot scan the networks even without kismet. check the kismet site for the appropriate drivers. at least wlan-ng works (but is a pain in the ass to install) |
| 19:11.53 | Xytek^ | same error. |
| 19:12.08 | simonrvn | TO ANYONE RUNNING udev: READ THE NEWS.Debian in /usr/share/doc/udev ALREADY |
| 19:12.11 | jim | Xytek^: specifically, that the module does not exist? |
| 19:12.19 | shingouz | Xytek^: do you ahve the alsa modules present in the first place if you run a 2.4 |
| 19:12.25 | shingouz | have even |
| 19:12.40 | Xytek^ | Yes, i Installed the alsa-base |
| 19:12.41 | Danar | could i install gnome-desktop-environment, then remove it without removing its dependancies? |
| 19:12.48 | ttick | shingouz: ah, okay. :'(. Yes, I used to do the whole, wlan-ng thing back in the 2.4 kernel under SuSE. But was really happy when 2.6 didn't insist on that. :/ Alas. Might be easier just to buy a better WIFI card :/. |
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| 19:12.55 | ttick | shingouz: thanks for the help |
| 19:12.55 | jim | Xytek^: but not the alsa-modules? |
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| 19:12.58 | Danar | in order to remove the stuff i don't want after? |
| 19:13.05 | simonrvn | ANYONE RUNNING SID AND DOESN'T HAVE apt-listchanges AND apt-listbugs INSTALLED SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT |
| 19:13.17 | Eulex | simonrvn, hehe |
| 19:13.18 | FieldySnuts | @caps |
| 19:13.19 | ravenbird | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people want to kill you and chop you up into bite-size kibbles to feed to their cats. |
| 19:13.26 | rhalff | hi I get this message on every package I install: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 19:13.28 | caphuso | simonrvn: i don't have apt-listbugs installed... |
| 19:13.28 | gravity | listbugs saved my ass the other day |
| 19:13.31 | Xytek^ | E: Package alsa-modules has no installation candidate |
| 19:13.43 | rhalff | never happend before, how do I solve that. |
| 19:13.46 | resiak | Xytek^: Any reason you can't run a 2.6? |
| 19:13.47 | shingouz | ttick: before you buy, check the kismet website for stuff that is supported. if kismet understands it it is natively supported with linux |
| 19:13.51 | simonrvn | at minimum -listchanges, like really people. |
| 19:13.54 | Eulex | FieldySnuts, *this* actually was important stuff and deserved to be written in uppercase |
| 19:14.07 | Xytek^ | resiak, Would there be any reason I can't run a 2.6? :P |
| 19:14.08 | geordi | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 19:14.09 | ttick | shingouz: okay, that's good to know. Thanks for always being such polite help. |
| 19:14.21 | shingouz | me? polite? |
| 19:14.21 | simonrvn | i'm overdoing it, but you get my point |
| 19:14.29 | shingouz | that was a new one... |
| 19:14.34 | FieldySnuts | users reading documents? nevar! |
| 19:14.34 | Xytek^ | I dont know the difference between the kernels, this is like, my third day on linux lol :/ |
| 19:14.43 | ttick | shingouz: well you've always been so with me. *shrug* :) |
| 19:14.47 | resiak | Xytek^: No, and it would make life _much_ easier (if you aren't already -- what does `uname -r` say?). |
| 19:14.48 | shingouz | :) |
| 19:15.03 | resiak | Xytek^: Actually, what does `uname -a` say? |
| 19:15.05 | jim | Xytek^: could you tell the error you got when you tried to modprobe snd_emu10k1? ("same error", I know, but I forget stuff easy :) |
| 19:15.06 | shingouz | ttick: i have not had a good reason to lart you ;) |
| 19:15.09 | shingouz | !beer ttick |
| 19:15.22 | Xytek^ | resiak, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:15.27 | Danar | which is more minimal, gnome-desktop or gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 19:15.33 | ttick | shingouz: ah, funny, one of my favorite beers. |
| 19:15.41 | Xytek^ | jim, modprobe: Can't locate module snd_emu10k1 |
| 19:15.41 | Eulex | Danar, check the dependencies |
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| 19:15.55 | resiak | Xytek^: What does uname -a say ? |
| 19:16.08 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.08 | Danar | <gnome-desktop> |
| 19:16.09 | jim | Xytek^: ok, you have not installed the alsa modules |
| 19:16.12 | Danar | heh, that helped |
| 19:16.13 | Eulex | Xytek^, apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:16.35 | jim | Xytek^: before giving up on this kernel, do the Eulex thing :) |
| 19:16.45 | ttick | shingouz: okay, next question, my sound question. I've done your little sound trick to get my 560z to work. The sounds is definately listen-to-able, but at MAX sound, in a noisy room, I'm kinda hoping for a little more juice. Is there a way to increase the volume other than putting XMMS at 100% and putting my bios sound at MAX (with the FN key)? |
| 19:16.53 | Danar | ugh, gnome-desktop-environment has tons of crap i don't want |
| 19:17.04 | majk | Hi, I have problem with streaming server, sometimes it gets bad signal from DVB card and streaming aplication (vls) must be restarted. The only way how to detect, that streaming failed is with tcpdump -n -i eth0 host 239.255.1.2 - when there're no multicast packets vls must be killed and started again. Problem is, that I have no idea how to write this "watchdog". Any idea how to solve this better way or any example for tcpdumpwatchdog?thx |
| 19:17.08 | Xytek^ | if you guys get my sound working im going to <3 you forever.. hahaha, I've been trying all day.. couldnt figure out nothing. |
| 19:17.09 | Wyzard | ttick: Amplified speakers? |
| 19:17.14 | jim | Danar" ok... don't install it :) |
| 19:17.17 | simonrvn | caphuso: i didn't for a while either, due to ruby's slowness that they fixed; but -listchanges is very useful for letting people running sid and testing of NEWS and any important changes |
| 19:17.18 | shingouz | ttick: yes. get a huge-ass amplifier :) |
| 19:17.23 | tarzeau | Danar: on sarge? |
| 19:17.27 | Danar | jim: yeh, but i'm trying to make sure i have the minimum installed |
| 19:17.30 | resiak | Xytek^: My advice is to install a 2.6 kernel, but the others seem convinced to fight 2.4, so I'll leave them to it. :) |
| 19:17.31 | Danar | tarzeau: testing |
| 19:17.35 | caphuso | simonrvn: yeah, apt-listchanges is incredibly useful |
| 19:17.38 | jim | install fvwm2 instead... or uninstall xserver-xfree86 :) |
| 19:17.40 | simonrvn | caphuso: er, add -listbugs to the front of that |
| 19:17.42 | ttick | Wyzard: I'm listening through headphones. And thought I could get more volume out of this little laptop before. Maybe I'm misremembers. |
| 19:17.50 | ttick | *misremembering |
| 19:17.55 | Eulex | resiak, that's also what I would suggest |
| 19:18.00 | Triffid_Hunter | ttick: TDA2822 or LM380 x 2 ;) |
| 19:18.07 | resiak | Eulex: So what are we waiting for? |
| 19:18.12 | resiak | Xytek^: What processor have you? |
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| 19:18.25 | Xytek^ | Intel Pentium 4, 2.4 Ghz :) |
| 19:18.27 | shingouz | ttick: check the mixer configuration, you need to have 'master digital' on 100%, that might help a bit |
| 19:18.31 | Eulex | resiak, jim's idea to fight 2.4 |
| 19:18.34 | jim | Danar: neither kde nor gnome are minimal things :) look at window managers as an alternative to desktop environments |
| 19:18.35 | resiak | Xytek^: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:18.37 | tgwj | Just now My system (with kernel 2.6.11-2-686) couldn't start X11 cause there was no /dev/input/mice ... I tried 2.6.8 ... no luck now i am running a fuckin 2.4.27 - at least it works... Could that be a udev bug ? |
| 19:18.43 | tarzeau | Danar: try wmaker gnustep |
| 19:18.48 | ttick | shingouz: okay, alsamixer? I'll check it out. Thanks again. |
| 19:18.54 | resiak | tgwj: There's talk of it being a udev bug, yes. |
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| 19:19.02 | Eulex | tgwj, well, are you running sid? |
| 19:19.03 | FieldySnuts | udev *is* a bug |
| 19:19.03 | resiak | tgwj: Are you running Sid? |
| 19:19.05 | Danar | jim: i know. i'm in icewm right now, but i'd like to be able to get into gnome without all the extraneuos crap |
| 19:19.10 | shingouz | ttick: alsamixer, gamix.. any of them really. |
| 19:19.12 | simonrvn | sid's udev doesn't take anything below 2.6.12 |
| 19:19.16 | tgwj | yea sid, first boot after an update |
| 19:19.19 | simonrvn | current sid |
| 19:19.21 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Yes it does |
| 19:19.28 | resiak | tgwj: BTS? |
| 19:19.35 | Xytek^ | resiak, this will run? |
| 19:19.37 | Eulex | tgwj, umh, you upgraded not long ago? |
| 19:19.39 | simonrvn | not well. read the NEWS.Debian already |
| 19:19.50 | shingouz | tgwj: congratulations. you just got to keep some pieces i think |
| 19:19.50 | tgwj | no just today |
| 19:19.56 | furrywolf | woody install is very slowly installing... |
| 19:19.59 | resiak | Xytek^: You install that, then you reboot with that new kernel. Then you run alsaconf and do a little dance. |
| 19:19.59 | Wyzard | simonrvn: The NEWS item says older kernels are "not fully supported", not that they absolutely don't work... the difference seems to have to do with taking longer to recognize devices or something |
| 19:20.00 | jim | Danar: gnome is, among other things, a communication pathway between gnome apps... |
| 19:20.05 | ttick | shingouz: hmm, is it possible alsa isn't really on or something? (I'm listening to sound now, with a basic Etch setup + shingouz's fixit). But alsamixer report: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 19:20.10 | Whisky_ | How do i know what architecture my system is on? |
| 19:20.11 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yes, exactly that |
| 19:20.15 | Xytek^ | resiak, installing now. |
| 19:20.18 | jim | you could install individual packages |
| 19:20.20 | resiak | Whisky_: uname -a ? |
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| 19:20.23 | tgwj | resiak havent checked it yet |
| 19:20.26 | Danar | jim: well it doesn't seem to be doing much communicating :p i can't log in |
| 19:20.27 | simonrvn | which could be critical to some things |
| 19:20.29 | resiak | tgwj: Why not? |
| 19:20.29 | jim | or you could find out what all the packages would be |
| 19:20.34 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I'm using 2.6.11 with it just fine... and see the bug filed against it because of that news item, and the maintainer's reply |
| 19:20.35 | shingouz | ttick: that is odd. it should work. i have never seen that error before |
| 19:20.44 | simonrvn | Wyzard: cool, thanks |
| 19:20.44 | Danar | Whisky_: try uname |
| 19:20.54 | Danar | oops |
| 19:20.55 | jim | Danar: ! hmm... why can'[t you log in? |
| 19:20.55 | shingouz | ttick: point alsamixer manually to card 0 |
| 19:20.59 | simonrvn | Whisky_: if you don't know, it's very likely x86 |
| 19:21.01 | nvz | Whisky_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:21.07 | ttick | shingouz: okay, I'll see how to do that. |
| 19:21.13 | Danar | jim: it hangs at the debian logo. i don't know why, that's why i'm in here |
| 19:21.16 | nvz | uname is not going to tell you anything useful about your CPU arch. |
| 19:21.16 | shingouz | ttick: alsamixer -c 0 |
| 19:21.27 | resiak | nvz: Run uname -a, please? |
| 19:21.32 | ttick | shingouz: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for hw:0: No such file or directory |
| 19:21.41 | nvz | resiak: its wrong |
| 19:21.44 | tgwj | resiak I am just checking it... |
| 19:21.45 | resiak | nvz: Look at the penultimate field ? |
| 19:21.53 | shingouz | ttick: you might also want to dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base to store settings every time you shut the system down |
| 19:22.01 | nvz | resiak: says i686 |
| 19:22.11 | resiak | nvz: And your arch is ? |
| 19:22.13 | Xytek^ | resiak, if my current kernel is 386, should i be using a 2.6-386? or is that important? |
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| 19:22.22 | ttick | shingouz: I feel it important to mention that on startup when ALSA comes up it says something like (Not Started) after it. Which I think is odd. |
| 19:22.30 | jim | Danar: so, full screen, graphics, it paints it, and nothing else? |
| 19:22.30 | resiak | Xytek^: 386 will work, but with your p4 a 686 would be faster :) |
| 19:22.33 | nvz | resiak: its compatible, but an i686 kernel would not be properly optimized for my Athlon XP |
| 19:22.35 | Eulex | Xytek^, if you're on a p4, 646 should be faster |
| 19:22.41 | Eulex | umh, *686 |
| 19:22.41 | shingouz | ttick: it *should* show started |
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| 19:22.43 | resiak | nvz: Oh, good point. |
| 19:22.45 | nvz | resiak: in otherwords its wrond |
| 19:22.48 | Xytek^ | resiak, okay well i wasnt sure what the difference was :P |
| 19:22.52 | jim | Danar: what happens when you ctrl-alt-F1? |
| 19:22.56 | ttick | shingouz: okay, maybe that's the problem. Hmm, tryng to reconfigure now. |
| 19:22.59 | Danar | jim: yeh. just a blank screen with bg colour & the debian logo in the middle. |
| 19:23.01 | shingouz | ttick: you sure the system is on alsa? lsmod | grep snd |
| 19:23.03 | Xytek^ | resiak, thanks kindly. ill be back |
| 19:23.03 | resiak | Xytek^: Optimised for slightly different processors. |
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| 19:23.11 | resiak | !win nvz |
| 19:23.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, nvz! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 19:23.18 | Danar | jim: uh, prolly drops me to a terminal as usual... |
| 19:23.49 | jim | ok, so it's not actually hung if that's the case... it's still listening... |
| 19:24.03 | tgwj | resiak the bug is in there all right... with a few *very* makeshift solutions by the look of it |
| 19:24.08 | jim | but now the question becomes what is happening |
| 19:24.20 | Danar | jim: yeh, sorry. i meant hung as in not going anywhere. i can still move the mouse.. |
| 19:24.39 | Danar | jim: hung, not frozen |
| 19:24.40 | resiak | tgwj: Congratulations! You've discovered why Sid is called "unstable" and why I run Etch on my laptop! |
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| 19:25.11 | jim | np, see, we have to discover what's going on... it's like taking apart your watch to find out what gear needs replacement |
| 19:25.55 | tgwj | resiak lol that was indeed my first REAL problem with sid.... |
| 19:26.00 | coll | Wyzard: its asking me about installing a lilo boot block... |
| 19:26.06 | Danar | jim: yeh, i'm familiar with troubleshootin. did lots of it on windows :p just don't know enough for troubleshooting linux/gnome very well |
| 19:26.16 | resiak | tgwj: Get used to it! :) |
| 19:26.17 | shingouz | tgwj: and you have had sid on the system for how long now? half an hour? |
| 19:26.29 | ttick | shingouz: hmm, lsmod didn't report anything o_O |
| 19:26.38 | coll | Wyzard: is it basically asking me to run lilo or what? |
| 19:26.43 | ttick | shingouz: yet I'm listening to sound! |
| 19:26.48 | tgwj | shinouz nah its quite a bit longer... |
| 19:26.49 | shingouz | ttick: i guess the damn thing sits on oss for some reason |
| 19:26.49 | jim | could you go to a regular terminal, log in as root (reason: we want to edit a root-owned file called /etc/hosts) |
| 19:26.52 | ttick | <-- is really confused. |
| 19:26.53 | Wyzard | coll: Yeah, just run lilo |
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| 19:27.15 | shingouz | ttick: paste lsmod into #flood, lets take a look at it |
| 19:27.18 | jim | I'm listening to sound also! |
| 19:27.23 | coll | Wyzard: to answer yes to the question? (Install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf? [Yes]) |
| 19:27.24 | jim | whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 19:27.25 | Danar | jim: i'm there |
| 19:27.32 | Wyzard | coll: Yes... that'll run lilo for you |
| 19:27.32 | ttick | shingouz: does this have to do with when I use your little snd-trick at startup? Does it need to go before alsa startsup? |
| 19:27.46 | shingouz | ttick: after alsa |
| 19:27.47 | Eulex | ttick, lsmod|grep sound |
| 19:28.00 | coll | Wyzard: alright but i havent yet put the initrd stuff into it and i dont think it did it automatically so im gonna have to run it again manually after apt-get is over |
| 19:28.02 | Wyzard | coll: What that command actually does is figure out what disk sectors the vmlinuz file occupies, and stores the list of sector numbers somewhere that's accessible at boot time |
| 19:28.02 | jim | Danar: ok, if you could do ifconfig to determine your IP |
| 19:28.10 | Wyzard | coll: Yeah, you will |
| 19:28.24 | coll | Wyzard: ok cool. brb im going to continue this installation then |
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| 19:28.38 | jim | and knowing your IP, we want to find out if /etc/hosts knows that ip |
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| 19:28.49 | Danar | jim: i know my ip |
| 19:28.56 | coll | Wyzard: ok its over. gonna go check on lilo.conf for initrd |
| 19:29.00 | kevin06 | I am having issues getting phpbb2 to run on my server. I am using the current php4 package, apache 2 and the current mysql package. I continue to get the error "The PHP configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you chose" |
| 19:29.01 | jim | ok, see if it's in /etc/hosts |
| 19:29.03 | Danar | jim: nope |
| 19:29.09 | task | i installed fontconfig but how to use it? |
| 19:29.10 | ttick | shingouz: hmm, I'll use nopaste :/ |
| 19:29.13 | Danar | jim: localhost is |
| 19:29.17 | chops | So I'm trying to get lbxproxy to work with ssh -X, and it isn't. I think I did everything right with xauth, but I get "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key". Has anyone gotten this to work? |
| 19:29.27 | shingouz | ttick: sure |
| 19:29.28 | resiak | kevin06: Do you have php-mysql installed? Have you made the relevant changes to php.ini? |
| 19:29.29 | Eulex | !tell ttick about paster |
| 19:29.40 | Danar | jim: and why would network troubles affect gnome? |
| 19:29.44 | jim | ok, what is the name of your machine? |
| 19:29.56 | Wyzard | chops: Someone did an analysis once and found that lbxproxy provides very minimal benefit compared to plain SSH X tunneling with compression ("-C") |
| 19:29.57 | majk | Hi, can anybody advise me, how to write "watdog" script based on tcpdump ? I need to watch packets on port 1234 and when no traffic is there I need to restart streaming aplicastion..any example plz ? thnx |
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| 19:30.11 | kevin06 | resaik, I haven't touched php.ini, which would explain the issue. Where is the file located? |
| 19:30.16 | Danar | jim: lets say it's mybox |
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| 19:30.25 | resiak | !tell kevin06 -about nicktab |
| 19:30.31 | ttick | shingouz: hmm, my normal nopaste site is down, apparently. recommend one? |
| 19:30.34 | resiak | kevin06: /etc/php, probably. |
| 19:30.40 | ttick | this just doesn't seem to be my day. |
| 19:30.41 | jim | ok, could you show the localhost line in /etc/hosts |
| 19:30.50 | shingouz | ttick: /msg dpkg paster |
| 19:31.05 | Eulex | ttick, I told you already |
| 19:31.11 | jim | that's RIGHT! it |
| 19:31.16 | jim | s MY day! |
| 19:31.20 | rbochan | heh |
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| 19:31.27 | chops | Wyzard: Fascinating. ssh -X -C is not very fast under with fairly moderate latency. |
| 19:31.27 | Danar | jim: 127.0.0.1 mybox localhost localhost.localdomain |
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| 19:31.53 | Wyzard | chops: dunno then... see if you can find that article though |
| 19:32.01 | jim | ohh, so it's saying mybox is same address as localhost |
| 19:32.03 | chops | Wyzard: Yah, looking, thanks |
| 19:32.09 | jim | so that's not the problem |
| 19:32.14 | ttick | Eulex: sorry, not in my scroll back, must have missed it. Could you repost? |
| 19:32.16 | kevin06 | resiak, thank you. And sorry about the misspelling |
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| 19:32.22 | shingouz | ttick: /msg dpkg paster |
| 19:32.31 | resiak | kevin06: No problem. Trying to make your life easier too :) |
| 19:32.44 | shingouz | ttick: also, i'll take a smoke break. brb |
| 19:32.48 | jim | see, lots of times x apps need the name and the ip to run |
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| 19:33.06 | Danar | jim: well, it's all pointing at me :p |
| 19:33.07 | coll | Wyzard: ok ive added the initrd=/initrd.img into the image=/vmlinuz section (and that one does point to the new one that apt-get put). what do i do about the old image=/vmlinuz.old? do i need at all an initrd image? (cause its an old one). im asking cause there isnt some /boot/initrd.img.old |
| 19:33.09 | beardy | majk: 'msg dpkg abs-guide' ? |
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| 19:33.31 | Eulex | ttick, I told you about paster -- if you do '/msg dpkg paster' dpkg will tell you about paster |
| 19:33.32 | jim | and I don't know why but sometimes they get stuck when they can't determine their own name |
| 19:33.33 | resiak | Xytek^: Did you win? |
| 19:33.40 | Xytek^ | resiak, Hey after installing that kernel my internet didnt work on it, so im back on the 2.4.27 kernel.. and my sound works on it.. |
| 19:33.48 | Wyzard | coll: No, the old kernel doesn't need an intrd |
| 19:33.49 | Danar | jim: any other ideas/ |
| 19:33.54 | paster | "ttick" at 65.200.136.216 pasted "ttick's lsmod" (96 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/331 |
| 19:33.56 | Xytek^ | sound works on both now, but the 2.6 kernel has no i-net access.. |
| 19:34.10 | Wyzard | coll: But if you later install another kernel-image of a different version (so that this 2.4.27 becomes the vmlinuz.old), you'll need to remember to add the initrd entry then |
| 19:34.15 | ttick | Eulex: okay thanks. |
| 19:34.17 | resiak | !tell Schiz0|Away -about away |
| 19:34.18 | ttick | shingouz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/331 |
| 19:34.18 | Eulex | Xytek^, heh -- and "didn't work" is not a good description |
| 19:34.19 | jim | Xytek^: so installing the modules got you the joy? |
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| 19:34.37 | resiak | Xytek^: Hmm, puzzling. But if it all works for you now, stick with it. |
| 19:34.52 | jim | Danar: the only thing I can think of are logs |
| 19:34.57 | Xytek^ | Yeah, well all works on the 2.4 kernel now.. lol. |
| 19:34.58 | coll | Wyzard: alrighty. |
| 19:34.59 | Eulex | ttick, you're using oss |
| 19:35.10 | coll | Wyzard: i guess im basically done now... just a reboot. did we forget anything? |
| 19:35.11 | Xytek^ | But now grub has the 2.6 kernel as the main, so i have to select the 2.4 |
| 19:35.17 | ttick | Eulex: :( |
| 19:35.23 | task | where do i get Xft to anti-alias fonts smaler than 9pt ? |
| 19:35.24 | Eulex | ttick, with a chipset I'm quite familiar with -- toshiba/dell laptop? |
| 19:35.32 | Wyzard | coll: If the kernel and its initrd exist, and lilo is configured to use them, then you should be all set |
| 19:35.32 | jim | Xytek^: you can change that |
| 19:35.38 | Danar | jim: nothing in dmesg |
| 19:35.48 | Xytek^ | jim, could you tell me how i would go about that? :) |
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| 19:36.00 | ttick | Eulex: thinkpad 560z |
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| 19:36.08 | jim | you'd edit the menu.lst, I think it's in /boot/grub |
| 19:36.34 | Eulex | ttick, ok -- apt-get install isapnptools and then run pnpdump |
| 19:36.35 | ttick | Eulex: sound didn't work normally, I had to use shin's boot trick to get it up. |
| 19:36.36 | kevin06 | resiak, alright, got there and am slightly overwhelemed. What am I looking for in here? |
| 19:36.43 | jim | Danar: there are logs in /var/log |
| 19:36.48 | Xytek^ | jim, thank ya. should i leave the 2.6 kernel installed? |
| 19:36.48 | coll | Wyzard: does debian come with insurance? like if my boot fails. can i really sue anyone? |
| 19:36.55 | Danar | woah, everything's screwy |
| 19:36.57 | gravity | Ha! |
| 19:36.59 | coll | Wyzard: im kidding. thanks for all the help no matter what :) |
| 19:37.05 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 19:37.08 | jim | Xytek^: if you want to, sure |
| 19:37.12 | beardy | coll: Read the GPL. |
| 19:37.17 | ttick | Eulex: okay, just a sec |
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| 19:37.24 | coll | beardy: yeah i know of it. im just messing around |
| 19:37.28 | Danar | my xchat has gone wonky |
| 19:37.32 | ttick | Eulex: slow connection . . . slow typer. |
| 19:37.34 | Xytek^ | when the 2.6 kernel is booting, it does the DHCPDiscover a whole bunch of times, then finally gives up cause it keeps failing, thats why the internet doesnt work on the 2.6 kernel im assuming. |
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| 19:37.45 | jim | coll: if your boot fails, tie its laces! |
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| 19:37.48 | Danar | i cant see the ends of sentences, and nicks are trimmed too |
| 19:38.06 | Danar | as if they're under the line |
| 19:38.08 | Eulex | ttick, I had a dell laptop with a cs4237b, and I couldn't make sound work with alsa no matter how much I tried, so I ended up using oss -- what you should do to try to get alsa up and running is to modprobe snd-cs4232 or cs4236 with the right irq, dma and io ports as command line arguments |
| 19:38.10 | rbochan | nick-trimming.. a new feature? |
| 19:38.15 | Danar | a new what? |
| 19:38.22 | jim | feature |
| 19:38.34 | Xytek^ | ill be back in a moment. |
| 19:38.35 | Danar | seems to trime the last 10% of every line |
| 19:38.38 | majk | beardy: thnx, but it's not problem to write script, but how to write it with tcpdump ..my idea is to sniff every 5 minutes packets on port 1234 and when file will be empty, thnx restart aplication - but I'm asking here, if any better solution exist ..(any package etc for something like this watching etc..) |
| 19:38.39 | coll | Wyzard: im gonna reboot later and tell you how it went.. |
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| 19:38.46 | Eulex | ttick, do you know the exact model of your sound card? |
| 19:38.58 | Wyzard | coll: OK |
| 19:38.59 | Danar | brb |
| 19:39.01 | majk | beardy: s/thnx/than |
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| 19:39.03 | Triffid_Hunter | Danar: how can you tell what the % is if you can't see the end? |
| 19:39.05 | Wyzard | coll: I might not be around later, but good luck with it |
| 19:39.06 | Triffid_Hunter | damnit |
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| 19:39.12 | Triffid_Hunter | Danar: how can you tell what the % is if you can't see the end? |
| 19:39.21 | Triffid_Hunter | ;) |
| 19:39.27 | Eulex | ttick, take a look at this: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Cirrus_Logic#matrix |
| 19:39.28 | ttick | Eulex: I'm using this line late in my boot process to get sound working: modprobe cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=9 |
| 19:39.30 | Danar | Triffid_Hunter: because on small lines i can figure out the last word or two |
| 19:39.37 | Danar | restarted it. fixed now |
| 19:39.48 | Eulex | ttick, ok, that loads oss |
| 19:39.49 | rbochan | ttick: those are the same settings as on my old dell laptop |
| 19:39.50 | Triffid_Hunter | heh i don't like xchat |
| 19:39.56 | Danar | i do |
| 19:39.59 | Danar | first time i've seen that |
| 19:40.16 | Triffid_Hunter | i prefer kvirc |
| 19:40.19 | Eulex | rbochan, what model? I have an old latitude cpi d300xt :) |
| 19:40.27 | Danar | ugly |
| 19:40.30 | rbochan | Eulex: 233! |
| 19:40.30 | Eulex | *netsplit* |
| 19:40.33 | jim | splet nit |
| 19:40.34 | ttick | Eulex, shingouz: hmm, shingouz, is that what you expect when you gave me this line, or did I miss something in your instructions? |
| 19:40.38 | resiak | kevin06: Loading of modules. I can't quite remember. |
| 19:40.48 | Eulex | rbochan, ok :) |
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| 19:40.54 | Danar | k, any ideas why i can't log into gnome? |
| 19:40.59 | rbochan | POS, but it runs KDE 3.4.1 ok |
| 19:40.59 | zcram | no |
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| 19:41.16 | Danar | oh, and possibly related, it takes a good 10-15 minutes to log into kde too |
| 19:41.19 | jim | Danar: what happens when you ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 19:41.28 | paster | "ttick" at 65.200.136.216 pasted "pnpdump" (60 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/332 |
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| 19:41.38 | Danar | jim: it kills X. that's how i get out of it, and back into icewm to bug you guys about it :p |
| 19:41.43 | ttick | Eulex: my pnpdump: http://channels.debian.net/paste/332 |
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| 19:41.49 | crash13 | rbochan: doppleganager just told me you were on #debian, and thought I'd say howdy. haven't seen you in a while. |
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| 19:41.58 | Danar | jim: drops me back to the login screen |
| 19:41.59 | Eulex | ttick, using oss should work ok in most cases -- biggest problem I had was that the craptastic proprietary flash plugin only supported alsa |
| 19:42.00 | jim | Danar: does it try again? |
| 19:42.00 | rbochan | howdy howdy |
| 19:42.04 | outlaw84 | where are cached files from apt stored? |
| 19:42.11 | jim | login screen? |
| 19:42.22 | jim | so you get a login screen |
| 19:42.35 | jim | I didn't realize that before |
| 19:42.38 | Danar | jim: yeh, the screen where i choose a WM & log in |
| 19:42.48 | Triffid_Hunter | outlaw84: /var/cache/apt ? |
| 19:42.49 | crash13 | rbochan: so how have you been doin'? |
| 19:42.52 | Danar | using the gnome one, ATM |
| 19:42.59 | rbochan | not bad, yourself? |
| 19:43.00 | jim | so you can log in to some things |
| 19:43.17 | ttick | Eulex: hmm, I used ALSA on my old machine, liked it a lot -- though I can't say why. Would really like to get back on it. :/ |
| 19:43.21 | crash13 | not too bad .... ever talk with g0troot anymore? |
| 19:43.24 | ttick | shingouz: any suggestions? |
| 19:43.26 | jim | didn't you say before you wanted minimal install? |
| 19:43.27 | Danar | jim: yeh. i can't log into openbox, gnome or gnome-failsafe. kde takes forever... |
| 19:43.31 | rbochan | not in a loooong time |
| 19:43.33 | Danar | jim: yeh.... |
| 19:43.44 | Eulex | ttick, ouch, you've got the same problem as I had -- btw, do you know the exact model of your sound card? also, trying to make alsa work on that thing is just waste of time, you'll have a hard time doing it, and probably not succeed at all (cos you had the same problem as I running pnpdump) -- and oss will work ok in most situations |
| 19:43.49 | smo_ | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:43.56 | Danar | jim: actually, gnome might possibly work if i left it long enough, but i'd rather get it fixed |
| 19:43.57 | crash13 | rbochan: well we certainly miss ya back at #linuxbeginner. |
| 19:44.08 | jim | so the logging in itself is working... but it's what you get after logging in that's the problem |
| 19:44.12 | rbochan | heh, beating a dead horse? |
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| 19:44.33 | timello_ | hi there! Is there backport for php on woody? |
| 19:44.41 | ttick | Eulex: okay, thanks, I'll take note and quit early |
| 19:44.49 | Eulex | ttick, did you have problem with stuttering/stopping/slow sound or similar before? |
| 19:44.57 | jim | timello_: woody has php, you don't need backport just to get it |
| 19:45.13 | Danar | jim: another thing that's possibly related is that some apps take ~5-30 to start, but run fine after they do. apps i've found that do this: firefox, gedit, k3b |
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| 19:45.32 | smo_ | your wifi is working ttick now?? |
| 19:45.44 | Eulex | ttick, if so, comment out "include port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0x1000-0x17ff" in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts |
| 19:45.45 | jim | timello_: woody has php, you don't need backport just to get it |
| 19:46.04 | chops | Wyzard: Hmm... I couldn't find the article, but my informal testing doesn't show much difference between ssh -X and ssh -X -C. I thought the big win of lbxproxy was for latency anyway. Time to break out strace I guess :-/ |
| 19:46.15 | jim | Danar: it's acting like it's a dns problem |
| 19:46.16 | Kven | How can I tell whether I have HPET timer or not? |
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| 19:46.25 | timello_ | jim, but it is old and I got undefined function |
| 19:46.36 | ttick | Eulex: yes, I had either no sound, or it would stutter Xwindows when using XMMS, but still no sound :/ |
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| 19:46.49 | rbochan | ttick: is this a laptop using pcmcia? |
| 19:46.54 | ttick | Eulex: but right now it all works very well. |
| 19:46.56 | jim | a function is undefined???!?! a function is undefined??!?!??!? |
| 19:46.57 | ttick | rbochan: yep |
| 19:47.03 | Eulex | ttick, ok |
| 19:47.06 | ttick | Eulex: I just wanted it louder. :/ |
| 19:47.08 | Danar | jim: why would dns affect gedit & k3b? |
| 19:47.12 | rbochan | ttick: you might have had some pcmcia irq and io snafus, I know I did |
| 19:47.15 | jim | define it :) |
| 19:47.15 | Danar | jim: and _logging in_ |
| 19:47.28 | ttick | rbochan: yep, already took care of them with shingouz's help. |
| 19:47.31 | jim | Danar: I don't think it is affecting logging in |
| 19:47.34 | timello_ | jim, Fatal error: Call to undefined function: is_a() |
| 19:47.35 | rbochan | ttick: had to edit the pcmcia config and tell it it use different resources |
| 19:47.37 | Eulex | ttick, install setmixer and oss-preserve |
| 19:47.40 | ttick | rbochan: just thought I'd get alsa out of it, rather than oss. |
| 19:47.49 | timello_ | jim, because it was introduced in 4.2 |
| 19:47.51 | rbochan | whatever works |
| 19:47.57 | Danar | jim: well they're all the same sympton... seems reasonable they may have the same cause |
| 19:48.06 | crash13 | rbochan: well gonna split (still not a debian guy), but stop by #linuxbeginner again sometime and say hi ! |
| 19:48.11 | Eulex | rbochan, yes, as I told him earlier, comment out "include port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0x1000-0x17ff" in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts |
| 19:48.12 | rbochan | ciao |
| 19:48.16 | Xytek^ | jim, the only problem is now - i have to run alsaconf every time i boot up, to get the sound working.. |
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| 19:48.27 | Xytek^ | But thats allright, at least it works. lol |
| 19:48.35 | rbochan | Eulex: I didn't comment that out, I just chaged the 0x4ff to 0x1ff |
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| 19:48.41 | jim | Xytek^: does alsaconf pick out the modules to load? |
| 19:48.52 | Eulex | rbochan, ok |
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| 19:48.58 | Xytek^ | during the bootup? |
| 19:49.01 | ttick | Eulex: well, my sound works well right now, just would like it louder. So I think I'll hold on the /etc/pcmcia/config.opts change Unless you think that would help somehow. |
| 19:49.04 | rbochan | Eulex: and then make sure it excluded irq 5 |
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| 19:49.10 | jim | Danar: looks that way |
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| 19:49.40 | Danar | jim: yet you said you don't think it's affecting logging in. but for gnome, openbox, & kde that seems to be the case |
| 19:49.47 | Eulex | rbochan, ok |
| 19:49.57 | ttick | Eulex: AHHHHH!! Sound! "setmixer vol +100" Oh, yes! |
| 19:50.20 | Eulex | ttick, hehe, woke up the neighborhood? |
| 19:50.21 | jim | Danar: so I'm claiming that logging in actually works, and it's what happens after you log in that is the problem |
| 19:50.25 | ttick | Eulex: now these chickens from the local sorority aren't so obnoxious! |
| 19:50.32 | Eulex | ttick, lol |
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| 19:50.40 | rbochan | Eulex: as per http://www.acqualan.com.br/misc/cs4237b.html |
| 19:50.46 | jim | I've been wrong before :) |
| 19:50.51 | ttick | Eulex: okay, now, will this setting save on reboot? |
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| 19:50.53 | Xytek^ | jim, can i PM you for a sec. just to show you these erorrs, or #flood? |
| 19:50.56 | Danar | jim: well what happens immediately after i was considering to be part of the logging in process... |
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| 19:51.17 | timello_ | jim, is it possible just upgrade php from sarge in a woody instalation? |
| 19:51.21 | Eulex | rbochan, yes, I've seen that page too |
| 19:51.22 | jim | Xytek^: not right now... pastebot it; I'll look later (but also then others can look) |
| 19:51.37 | Eulex | ttick, you mean mixer settings? oss-preserve will preserve them for you |
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| 19:51.57 | jim | timello_: no, that's not recommended because it could pull in other things from sarge |
| 19:52.12 | jim | you -could- upgrade to sarge... |
| 19:52.18 | ttick | Eulex: excellent. Thanks |
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| 19:52.36 | timello_ | jim, is something trivial? |
| 19:52.37 | jim | or you could continue searching for backports (backports.org, apt-get.org) |
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| 19:52.52 | ttick | I knew these little earphones could pump out more juice. Thanks everyone. |
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| 19:53.00 | jim | is what trivial? |
| 19:53.04 | Danar | so can anyone help me figure this crap out? |
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| 19:53.13 | jim | must have juice... |
| 19:53.14 | timello_ | update to sarge? |
| 19:53.20 | timello_ | jim, ^ |
| 19:53.30 | Eulex | ttick, np |
| 19:53.40 | Xytek^ | anyone know of any decent P2P programs?? that may come as a debian package? if any... |
| 19:53.42 | jim | if you have a nice fast connection, it's both trivial and fast |
| 19:53.56 | Anders | Xytek^, apt-get install bittornado-gui if you want torrents |
| 19:54.00 | Danar | Xytek^: azureus/bittorrent is one |
| 19:54.03 | Wyzard | Xytek^: Azureus is a great bittorrent client |
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| 19:54.10 | nvz | Xytek^: gift |
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| 19:54.14 | Anders | Azureus is horribly slow |
| 19:54.15 | Wyzard | Xytek^: It's Java, so you need Java set up |
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| 19:54.19 | Anders | and it's java |
| 19:54.23 | timello_ | jim, I have a good connection, distro-upgrade will sove? |
| 19:54.23 | Anders | and uses lots of resources |
| 19:54.32 | Danar | Anders: yeh, that much is true |
| 19:54.50 | jim | well, see, this is like using a nuke to kill a rabbit... |
| 19:54.51 | Anders | i use azureus because it can hnadle several torrents art once |
| 19:54.51 | Xytek^ | I have java setup.. I use torrents for more like full albums, etc, I mean something such as limewire or WinMX. |
| 19:54.52 | Anders | handle* |
| 19:54.57 | nvz | Xytek^: only the openft and gnutella plugins are in debian.. if you want fasttrack you have to get it from marillat |
| 19:55.01 | resiak | Xytek^: Azureus is actually not very effective. Learn to use the bittornado clients, which are much better... |
| 19:55.05 | jim | but the reason I suggest it is becasue sarge is the new stable |
| 19:55.06 | resiak | Xytek^: WinMX runs in Wine. |
| 19:55.10 | Anders | Xytek^, limewire runs in linux, using java |
| 19:55.16 | Danar | Anders: bittornado doesn't? |
| 19:55.27 | jim | but is limewire bittorrent? |
| 19:55.36 | jim | I thought it was gnutella |
| 19:55.36 | initech | how is limewire any better than any other gnutella client? |
| 19:55.37 | nvz | Xytek^: use gift, it supports the gnutella protocol that limewire uses. |
| 19:55.38 | Anders | Danar: it uses less resources |
| 19:55.40 | Wyzard | jim: No, it's gnutella |
| 19:55.50 | jim | thought so |
| 19:55.57 | Danar | Anders: but does it work with multiple torrents at a time? |
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| 19:56.03 | nvz | Xytek^: you can search multiple networks all at once with gift, and it has many different client frontends |
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| 19:56.06 | initech | gnutella is going to be the only viable thing soon |
| 19:56.10 | Anders | Danar, no |
| 19:56.19 | Anders | initech, why? |
| 19:56.23 | resiak | btlaunchmanycurses can do loads of torrents concurrently. |
| 19:56.33 | initech | Anders: US Supreme Court |
| 19:56.38 | Wyzard | Azureus has niceties such as being able to specify relative priorities for individual files in a multi-file torrent, or tell it not to download a file altogether |
| 19:56.46 | rbochan | Eulex: do you notice a delay when booting the machine before the pcmcia nic actually fires up? |
| 19:56.49 | Anders | initech, nah |
| 19:56.51 | Danar | initech: hardly. the US doesn't control the world |
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| 19:57.03 | nvz | Danar: they seem to think so |
| 19:57.06 | Danar | heh |
| 19:57.16 | Danar | >:/ |
| 19:57.19 | initech | Danar: no but they control the US, and they definitely think they control the rest of the world |
| 19:57.28 | Anders | bittorrent isn't only used for pirate stuff anyway... |
| 19:57.28 | nvz | Danar: tell that to GWB, ffs |
| 19:57.34 | Anders | it's excellent for downloading linux isos |
| 19:57.41 | Anders | and other large files |
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| 19:57.58 | Anders | i love when slashdotted sites use torrents, can download stuff at 1mb/s |
| 19:58.00 | Danar | nvz: i'd like to tell him a few things.. but i don't have that much time ;p |
| 19:58.18 | initech | all my torrents d/l at modem speeds, wtf |
| 19:58.20 | Danar | and i think most of it would fall on deaf ears |
| 19:58.21 | Xytek^ | Well, Im getting Bittorrent, cause i use torrents often for movies and such.. as for gift, is that just apt-get install gift |
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| 19:58.32 | Danar | initech: increase your max upload? |
| 19:58.52 | Danar | initech: DL less torrents at a time? lower max # connections? |
| 19:59.07 | Danar | or higher.. |
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| 19:59.13 | initech | Danar: nah, it's not that. just continually shitty torrents I think |
| 19:59.21 | Danar | initech: that's the other one |
| 19:59.26 | Anders | initech, you have clearly a shit upload/set your upload to modem speeds/using unpopular torrents/wrong connection settings etc |
| 19:59.26 | Danar | gotta find good torrents |
| 19:59.44 | Danar | Anders: not 'clearly'. could have been any of the things above |
| 19:59.48 | Eulex | rbochan, I've never noticed something like that |
| 19:59.57 | rbochan | must be my shitty nic then |
| 20:00.02 | initech | i usually get mine from demonoid, but they probably suck |
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| 20:00.35 | Danar | man i have so many probs with debain.. i don't think it's worth it |
| 20:00.37 | initech | and idiots that torrent .rar files really piss me off |
| 20:00.45 | Anders | Danar, are you using windows at the moment |
| 20:00.48 | Danar | no |
| 20:00.50 | Anders | !debain |
| 20:00.50 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 20:00.55 | nvz | Danar: like spelling it for example? |
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| 20:01.08 | Danar | nvz: lol, woops |
| 20:01.10 | Danar | typo |
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| 20:02.15 | ttick | Okay, new question: my friend has RedHat Enterprise 4.0 set up on his machine. And by default the server mails him daily records of which IPs logged in via ssh for root, the failed loggins and port-scans. Is there a package that sets all this up for Debian? |
| 20:02.28 | Danar | nvz: no, just _problems_ that i have little luck fixing, and don't get much help with.. |
| 20:02.43 | EmleyMoor | I have a backup of the data from my machine as it was. What's the best and safest way to retrieve the software I had installed before? |
| 20:02.54 | Danar | Anders: no windows for me if i can help it |
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| 20:03.16 | Danar | Anders: the only time i use windows is when i have no choice, like at the library :/ |
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| 20:03.21 | initech | ttick: apt-get install logwatch, that is what RHEL uses |
| 20:03.39 | ttick | initech: okay, thanks! |
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| 20:04.37 | afaict | Hi folks, |
| 20:04.38 | kismet-nohd | has anyone managed to use a pcmcia Prism2 card with kismet *monitor mode* on knoppix 3.9 or ubuntu running off CD on a laptop with NO hard drive? |
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| 20:04.55 | Quibus | hello - does someone know what the current stock kernel status is in testing? |
| 20:05.04 | simonrvn | how about you ask #ubuntu or #knoppix, hmm? |
| 20:05.14 | afaict | How can I connect windows to Xfree Linux? i know VNC... what else ? |
| 20:05.17 | Quibus | it seems a 2.6.11 image set is in testing |
| 20:05.19 | simonrvn | Quibus: no such creature |
| 20:05.21 | initech | kismet-nohd: huh? dude I've done that standing on my head while juggling kittens |
| 20:05.22 | ttick | Quibus: 2.6.8 I think |
| 20:05.31 | Quibus | but the latest-kernel still depends on 2.6.8 |
| 20:05.36 | simonrvn | it's patched, hence not stock |
| 20:05.42 | Wyzard | afaict: Cygwin has an X server; there are also commercial ones such as X-Win32 and Hummingbird Exceed |
| 20:05.47 | Quibus | debian-stock |
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| 20:05.54 | Quibus | (is what I mean) |
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| 20:06.02 | Golum | What is better for a 2GB partition and 450Mhz ext3 or reiserf |
| 20:06.08 | simonrvn | ext3 |
| 20:06.12 | afaict | Wyzard, only cygwin ? I could do it with VNC ... |
| 20:06.12 | Golum | k thx ^^ |
| 20:06.23 | afaict | Wyzard, what word should I search at google ? |
| 20:06.33 | Wyzard | Golum: ext3 doesn't scale as well to large filesystems, but for 2GB it's fine |
| 20:06.41 | ttick | Golum: reiserfs is great for lots of small files (like if you're making backups on that partition) |
| 20:06.44 | nvz | afaict: you wouldnt use VNC unless you wanted to start a new xsession on another remote machine |
| 20:06.49 | EmleyMoor | How do I install the applications I had on a machine properly if I have a backup of the machine as it was before? |
| 20:06.58 | Wyzard | afaict: VNC isn't nearly as efficient, and has major latency issues |
| 20:07.00 | ttick | Golum: you never run out of inodes. |
| 20:07.06 | Danar | afaict: did you think of using google to figure out what to search for? |
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| 20:07.08 | kismet-nohd | initech: can you tell me how, plz? |
| 20:07.17 | Wyzard | nvz: x0rfbserver (from the "rfb" package) is a VNC server that connects to an existing display |
| 20:07.24 | nvz | Wyzard: I know |
| 20:07.45 | Golum | I will take ext3 |
| 20:07.48 | nvz | Wyzard: just used it yesturday |
| 20:07.57 | Jhair | Golum, good choice |
| 20:08.00 | Danar | can someone help me figure out why i can't log into gnome? |
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| 20:08.18 | nvz | Danar: you dont have five toes? |
| 20:08.22 | Danar | or why certain apps take ~15 minutes to start, then run fine? |
| 20:08.24 | afaict | Wyzard, but cygwin I will have to compile X... right ? |
| 20:08.30 | Wyzard | afaict: no |
| 20:08.37 | Xytek^ | So, does anyone run steam/hl/cs Under linux? Using Wine or WineX? |
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| 20:08.44 | Wyzard | afaict: http://x.cygwin.com/ |
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| 20:09.03 | nvz | the topics of conversation here are sickening me.. I am leaving :P |
| 20:09.08 | Danar | or how to get direct rendering/hardware accelleration on my crappy 9200se? |
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| 20:09.15 | resiak | Xytek^: People do, yes. |
| 20:09.16 | tung | how can i get the ls comman to list hidden files first, i just installed the sarge and now ls list hidden files aphlabetically, ignoring the period in front |
| 20:09.16 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 20:09.21 | jharrisonwk | must be bad today |
| 20:09.24 | Xytek^ | I need to do that lol :D |
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| 20:09.40 | jharrisonwk | Xytek^: hey check this out |
| 20:09.42 | jharrisonwk | !lol |
| 20:09.42 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 20:10.02 | Xytek^ | seen em.. heh |
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| 20:10.23 | nvz | ~lol |
| 20:10.23 | apt | [lol] stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 20:10.39 | kamaraju | Is there any WYSIWYG editor for editing html? I tried bluefish, But it is not WYSIWYG. I have to edit the text file and view the result in say firefox. Any ideas? |
| 20:10.51 | jharrisonwk | lol is lame |
| 20:11.03 | Danar | kamaraju: nvu |
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| 20:11.59 | nvz | kamaraju: amaya, august, openoffice.org |
| 20:12.01 | Jhair | kamaraju, uh? if you want to see the results in firefox then you can use it as your HTML-viewer and use vi or emacs to edit your files, WYSIWYG is not needed at all in that case |
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| 20:12.23 | Danar | Jhair: he was saying that's not what he wants.... |
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| 20:12.32 | nvz | kamaraju: mozilla composer |
| 20:12.34 | hiruko | Hi, I am trying to get the battery monitor to work. Do I need to enable apci for that to work? It was causing problems so I disabled it. |
| 20:12.41 | hiruko | ACPI* |
| 20:12.50 | kamaraju | nvz: What Danar said is correct. |
| 20:12.50 | Danar | nvz: mozilla composer is inefficient |
| 20:12.57 | Eulex | hiruko, yes, or use apm |
| 20:13.05 | Danar | makes bloaty html |
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| 20:13.19 | Danar | ...but it works |
| 20:13.21 | nvz | so, all WYSIWYG HTML editors suck and make bloaty HTML |
| 20:13.22 | hiruko | hmm |
| 20:13.26 | hiruko | Then just type your own ^^ |
| 20:13.31 | Danar | nvz: nvu is decent |
| 20:13.48 | nvz | !+info nvu |
| 20:13.50 | Chill | Hey... I just installed The new stable Sarge of Debian... And now when i tried to install eggdrop it said tcl aint installed... so i did apt-get install tcl8.4 ... and still get the same error... so i did apt-get install tk8.4 ... And still get the error that i haven't installed Tcl ... What have i done wrong? |
| 20:13.50 | furrywolf | at least it only makes bloated html, unlike most of the others, which make bloated, broken html... |
| 20:13.52 | hiruko | I prefer a text editor to something like dreamweaver |
| 20:13.53 | hiruko | lol |
| 20:13.54 | dpkg | nvu: (Complete Web Authoring System), section web, is optional. Version: 0.99+1.0pre-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8871 kB, Installed size: 27495 kB |
| 20:14.07 | nvz | Danar: doesnt appear to be in stable though |
| 20:14.23 | Danar | just hit version 1.0... |
| 20:14.41 | Danar | not aware of any show stopping bugs |
| 20:16.08 | dvshadow | i totally agree hiruku |
| 20:16.08 | furrywolf | hrmm. woody install uses "stable" instead of "woody", so you get sarge packages... |
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| 20:16.26 | Danar | hiruko: no reason you can't edit the source directly in nvu |
| 20:16.31 | kamaraju | Danar: Nvu seems to be doing what I want. That is WYSIWYG. I dont care if it makes a bloated html. But as long as it works it is good enough for me. Besides hard disk space is so cheap these days anyway. Thanks. |
| 20:16.46 | Danar | kamaraju: np :) |
| 20:16.59 | Danar | kamaraju: actually, i said mozilla composer makes bloated HTML |
| 20:17.05 | dvshadow | yea |
| 20:17.14 | dvshadow | haha! |
| 20:17.41 | dvshadow | even frontpage advertises as not adding extra html |
| 20:17.43 | dvshadow | * |
| 20:17.53 | Danar | heh |
| 20:18.09 | Danar | well, _extra_ isn't necessarily not bloated |
| 20:18.09 | dvshadow | (the asterisk states that it doesnt add more than what the frontpage extensions do |
| 20:18.20 | Danar | er, not having extra... |
| 20:18.29 | asg | Chill: when you say '...install eggdrop...' do you mean 'from source' or via apt-get? |
| 20:18.43 | dvshadow | i would install it via apt-get |
| 20:18.46 | Chill | from source... cause i need ssl |
| 20:18.51 | dvshadow | oh |
| 20:18.53 | EmleyMoor | How do I install the applications I had on an old instance of a machine onto a new instance when all I have left of the old instance is a copy of all the files it contained>? |
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| 20:19.02 | asg | Chill: then make sure you install the '-dev' packages for tcl and/or tk |
| 20:19.15 | asg | Chill: i.e. tcl8.4-dev, and so on |
| 20:19.17 | kamaraju | Danar: Oh ok Got it. |
| 20:19.21 | dvshadow | isnt there a eggdropSSL for apt-get? |
| 20:19.21 | Chill | oh :P |
| 20:19.28 | Chill | thx.. gonna try that :P |
| 20:19.38 | Eulex | kamaraju, it's not just about hd space, it's about bandwidth too |
| 20:19.39 | dvshadow | brb |
| 20:19.50 | asg | Chill: debian distributes developer bits, where possible, in separate packages. |
| 20:19.59 | dvshadow | nvm |
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| 20:20.24 | dvshadow | it was a ssl module for eggdrop |
| 20:20.25 | Chill | it worked... thx a lot m8 |
| 20:20.32 | asg | Chill: you're welcome |
| 20:20.45 | kismet-nohd | initech: can you tell me how now, plz? |
| 20:20.54 | Eulex | !thx |
| 20:20.54 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
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| 20:21.14 | kamaraju | Eulex: Yes. You are right. I did not think about that. Thanks |
| 20:21.18 | Danar | thx is also shortform for thanks |
| 20:21.35 | jharrisonwk | !thx |
| 20:21.35 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
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| 20:21.41 | Danar | thx is also shortform for thanks |
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| 20:21.43 | Eulex | !tell kismet-nohd about ubuntu |
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| 20:21.50 | Eulex | !tell kismet-nohd about knoppix |
| 20:21.56 | jharrisonwk | thx is lame |
| 20:21.58 | asg | !tell Danar about repeat |
| 20:22.01 | jharrisonwk | !kthx |
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| 20:22.08 | jharrisonwk | kthx is lame too |
| 20:22.08 | Danar | and thx != THX :p |
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| 20:22.19 | Danar | !tell jharrison about repeat |
| 20:22.20 | Danar | :p |
| 20:22.38 | jharrisonwk | Danar: lucky for me dpkg ignores you |
| 20:22.49 | Danar | jharrison: it does? |
| 20:22.57 | jharrisonwk | Danar: sure |
| 20:23.11 | kismet-nohd | !tell kismet-nohd about knoppix |
| 20:23.12 | jharrisonwk | Danar: I did not get dpkg msging me about some stupid repeat message |
| 20:23.12 | ttick | another question: normally I'm on my home WIFI and I'd like to set it up to use encryption. And occationally I hit a public hotspot. What utility / files do I use to configure this sort of configuration? |
| 20:23.13 | asg | jharrisonwk: s/he just misspelled your nick |
| 20:23.13 | Danar | sure you didn't ignore dpkg? |
| 20:23.23 | jharrisonwk | asg: that works too |
| 20:23.25 | kismet-nohd | !tell kismet-nohd about ubuntu |
| 20:23.25 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 20:23.28 | Danar | oops, lol |
| 20:23.28 | asg | jharrisonwk: of course |
| 20:23.31 | kismet-nohd | happy? |
| 20:23.32 | jharrisonwk | oh no |
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| 20:23.36 | Danar | oh well |
| 20:23.37 | asg | kismet-nohd: you can /msg the bot also |
| 20:23.39 | kismet-nohd | well, i am not |
| 20:23.42 | jharrisonwk | my wife is being spammed by dpkg |
| 20:23.46 | jharrisonwk | Danar: stop that |
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| 20:24.01 | jharrisonwk | Danar: im not new to this channel and I dont need dpkg to tell me things |
| 20:24.01 | Danar | jharrisonwk: o.O |
| 20:24.18 | kismet-nohd | but the thing is i want to do it now since i have to switch off the laptop in 1 hour |
| 20:24.21 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 20:24.26 | Danar | jharrisonwk: it was a joke. i repeated my response because you repeated yourself. |
| 20:24.33 | jharrisonwk | DoppelGanger: you see this? |
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| 20:24.43 | DoppelGanger | uhuh |
| 20:24.44 | Eulex | kismet-nohd, wrong channel -- goto #ubuntu or #knoppix |
| 20:24.47 | jharrisonwk | Danar: ok |
| 20:24.48 | Danar | i got it, so i figured you should too :p |
| 20:24.52 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 20:24.59 | jharrisonwk | my wife says she saw it and it pissed her off |
| 20:25.05 | Danar | lol, sorry |
| 20:25.07 | jharrisonwk | thats funny |
| 20:25.33 | kismet-nohd | i've asked on #knoppix and #ubuntu ages ago and no one replied |
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| 20:25.44 | Eulex | !tell kismet-nohd about they don't know |
| 20:25.46 | jharrisonwk | kismet-nohd: so wait |
| 20:26.03 | gravity | kismet-nohd: Not our problem |
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| 20:26.06 | Eulex | !tell kismet-nohd about based on debian |
| 20:26.17 | Micro_ | Hi, in my kernel config (2.6.11) I've specified M for video for linux, and the doc's talk about v4l2, but the kernel doesnt seem to install videodev2.h? |
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| 20:26.35 | Danar | i've tried countless times to get help in here, and i always come away with nothing |
| 20:26.46 | kismet-nohd | ok thanks |
| 20:26.48 | jharrisonwk | Danar: why are you here now? |
| 20:26.49 | Danar | i've spent hours in here at a time, with little help. what' up with that? |
| 20:26.53 | asg | Danar: then you are asking the wrong questions |
| 20:26.55 | Hiruko | I've installed apm so I could use the battery monitor, but when it was booting up I noticed "APM: Bios not found" |
| 20:27.04 | jharrisonwk | Danar: this channel sucks |
| 20:27.07 | streuner | asg: hehe |
| 20:27.08 | asg | Hiruko: use acpi instead |
| 20:27.09 | Danar | jharrison: any of several probs. mainly i came cause i can't log in to gnome |
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| 20:27.15 | Hiruko | That always gives me errors |
| 20:27.19 | Hiruko | Something about error on cpu0 |
| 20:27.20 | Danar | asg: i don't think so... |
| 20:27.21 | EmleyMoor | Hiruko: apm is old hat |
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| 20:27.26 | pepsi_ | how do I check what package a file belongs to? |
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| 20:27.26 | jharrisonwk | asg: hob nobs == mmmmm yummy |
| 20:27.37 | Hiruko | Is there something I can do to fix the acpi errors? |
| 20:27.39 | asg | Danar: do you have a sample that you've asked to which you received no response? |
| 20:27.50 | EmleyMoor | Depends on the errors |
| 20:28.07 | Hiruko | Right now I have grub configured with noapci because I got constant Error on cpu0, or something along those lines |
| 20:28.08 | Danar | asg: oh, i sometimes recieve responses... they just don't help much |
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| 20:28.25 | asg | Hiruko: acpi is like black magic, it doesn't work for everyone. I suggest you check acpi.sourceforge.net and their docs to see if your machine's acpi bios is supported and, if so, to what extent. |
| 20:28.36 | Danar | <Danar> can someone help me figure out why i can't log into gnome? |
| 20:28.38 | Eulex | Hiruko, write down the exact error -- and google for it |
| 20:28.50 | Hiruko | I did google for it |
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| 20:28.56 | Hiruko | That was the solution everyone came up with |
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| 20:29.00 | Hiruko | noapci in the grub config |
| 20:29.09 | mud_ | Danar be more specific |
| 20:29.09 | Danar | i'm usually more specific than that |
| 20:29.12 | Danar | heh |
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| 20:29.32 | jharrisonwk | Danar: does gdm come up or whatever display manager you use? |
| 20:29.38 | Danar | mud_: i was, but my original Qs are off the top of my screen now :p |
| 20:29.49 | gravity | Danar: pg-up |
| 20:29.50 | Danar | jharrisonwk: yep. it hangs at the debian logo |
| 20:29.58 | Danar | gravity: further than that :p |
| 20:30.01 | jharrisonwk | Danar: sid? |
| 20:30.02 | gravity | heh |
| 20:30.03 | asg | Danar: the only gnome with which I have experience is the plastic talking one that insults people who come to my front door. |
| 20:30.05 | Hiruko | APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) is the exact error |
| 20:30.14 | Danar | jharrison: if sid = testing... |
| 20:30.23 | jharrisonwk | Danar: etch == testing |
| 20:30.24 | Danar | asg: heh |
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| 20:30.34 | Danar | jharrisonwk: ok then |
| 20:30.35 | shingouz | Hiruko: aht is APIC not APCI |
| 20:30.41 | Hiruko | oh |
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| 20:30.44 | shingouz | acpi even |
| 20:30.44 | jharrisonwk | isnt gnome broken in etch |
| 20:30.45 | Hiruko | okay then ^_^ |
| 20:30.46 | jharrisonwk | and sid |
| 20:30.52 | Hiruko | stupid me |
| 20:30.53 | Hiruko | thx |
| 20:31.02 | shingouz | two diffefernt things |
| 20:31.10 | Danar | jharrisonwk: actually, when it didn't work, i tried 2.10 from unstable... still no luck |
| 20:31.15 | shingouz | dang, how can i typo that much |
| 20:31.25 | Eulex | jharrison, afaik gnome is not broken in etch |
| 20:31.38 | asg | shingouz: irc degrades language skills |
| 20:31.40 | Eulex | and Danar, that is not very smart, if you may excuse me |
| 20:31.40 | Danar | shingouz: heh. cold fingers? |
| 20:31.41 | jharrisonwk | I dont use gnome so im not sure about it |
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| 20:31.54 | Danar | Eulex: ignorant maybe... |
| 20:32.13 | Rucas | is there any way to burn the debian net installer iso to a dvd? |
| 20:32.19 | shingouz | Danar: this is too complicated for me now. Neon Genesis airs now. afk :p |
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| 20:32.29 | Danar | Eulex: you'd think bugs would get fixed in later versions... |
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| 20:32.55 | asg | Danar: I would suggest typing 'X' after logging in at console and verifying that 'X' starts correctly (you should get a crosshatched screen with an X cursor - type CTRL+ALT+BKSP to return) |
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| 20:33.09 | kazim | hi |
| 20:33.11 | Eulex | Danar, rather if software is a big older it should be more stable |
| 20:33.16 | Eulex | *bit |
| 20:33.23 | Danar | asg: X does start. i get to a graphical login screen. heck, i'm in X now :p |
| 20:33.51 | asg | Danar: ah, my mistake. |
| 20:34.04 | Hiruko | is it absolutely necessary to recompile the kernel to enable apci? |
| 20:34.05 | Danar | asg: but after i try to log in, it hangs with nothing but the debian logo on the screen |
| 20:34.29 | Eulex | Danar, checked the syslog? |
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| 20:34.35 | Hiruko | I have no clue on how to go about compiling my own kernel.. |
| 20:34.35 | Danar | Eulex: nothing in dmesg... |
| 20:34.56 | Eulex | Danar, I said syslog -- and btw, define "hangs" |
| 20:35.11 | Danar | Eulex: hangs as in doesn't get any further. not frozen... |
| 20:35.14 | zth_ | can i limit the size of a folder? |
| 20:35.52 | kazim | anyone know i can i prevent anyone to send mail to @mydomain using fake account@mydomain by telnet ? please |
| 20:36.02 | karsten | zth_: No. |
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| 20:36.13 | karsten | zth_: You can limit total allocation to a user using quotas. |
| 20:36.17 | asg | zth_: not unless a) the folder is on its own partition, b) you patch all the filesystem tools to recognize the limit, or c) you make sure only a certain user can write to it and that that user has a quota that provides the limit. |
| 20:36.20 | karsten | zth_: ...and "folders" are called "directories" |
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| 20:36.47 | zth_ | yeah, the folder is supposed to be a home dir of a user... so how do i do this quota deal? |
| 20:36.53 | falco_toadfoot | anyone know why udev doesn't run on startup? udev package is installed |
| 20:37.08 | resiak | falco_toadfoot: You're running Sid, aren't you? |
| 20:37.09 | Wyzard | falco_toadfoot: 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:37.34 | asg | zth_: apt-cache show quota |
| 20:37.37 | Hiruko | how do i recompile my kernel to include acpi support? I have a reference on what i need to do but i don't know where i need to do it |
| 20:37.47 | falco_toadfoot | resiak: Wyzard: 2.6.11-1 |
| 20:37.53 | Eulex | Hiruko, acpi support is included by default |
| 20:37.57 | falco_toadfoot | unstable yes |
| 20:37.58 | Hiruko | hmm |
| 20:38.17 | furrywolf | Hiruko: you probably don't need it if you don't know where it is. :) |
| 20:38.20 | resiak | falco_toadfoot: You haven't checked the BTS, have you? |
| 20:38.20 | Wyzard | falco_toadfoot: udev is reportedly broken in unstable right now... fortunately, I haven't rebooted :-) |
| 20:38.23 | Hiruko | I'd like to have the battery monitor setup on my laptop |
| 20:38.36 | Hiruko | hey, I'm using this to learn but I can't get too far ahead of myself |
| 20:38.41 | falco_toadfoot | Wyzard: ah..brilliant.. |
| 20:38.47 | zth_ | asg, doesn't say how i use it |
| 20:38.47 | falco_toadfoot | Wyzard: at least it's not just me |
| 20:38.59 | asg | zth_: install it, read the docs. |
| 20:39.00 | resiak | falco_toadfoot: _Have_ you checked it? |
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| 20:39.02 | Eulex | Hiruko, you have been told to check acpi.sourceforge.net or whatever for support for your mobo |
| 20:39.17 | falco_toadfoot | resiak: what is BTS? |
| 20:39.18 | Danar | Eulex: gconfd have anything to do with gnome? |
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| 20:39.19 | resiak | !btssmite falco_toadfoot |
| 20:39.23 | Hiruko | I'll go check it out ^^ |
| 20:39.37 | resiak | falco_toadfoot: Why are you running Unstable if you don't know that? |
| 20:39.38 | Eulex | Danar, afaik yes |
| 20:40.03 | falco_toadfoot | resiak: how should I be able to answer that? |
| 20:40.46 | Eulex | falco_toadfoot, to maintain a system running sid, you need to know that |
| 20:41.03 | falco_toadfoot | everythings been hunky dory for about two years, now suddenly a lot of device files are gone from /dev after a reboot |
| 20:41.06 | Danar | Eulex: there's some stuff about it resolving addresses to local (read only) files, but they're not error messages... i see nothing else related |
| 20:41.09 | Eulex | falco_toadfoot, you should also know ow to get out of dependency hell |
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| 20:41.36 | Eulex | !tell falco_toadfoot about sid faq |
| 20:41.44 | Eulex | falco_toadfoot, *read* |
| 20:42.47 | Danar | Eulex: any ideas/ |
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| 20:43.27 | Eulex | Danar, nope, as I said earlier I don't know much about gnome and what could gave gone wrong |
| 20:43.45 | Danar | Eulex: how about any of my other problems? |
| 20:43.49 | beardy | Which is the preferred way of choosing which kernel modules to use, and load at boot, in sarge? |
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| 20:44.03 | Danar | Eulex: i find several apps take on average ~15 minutes to start, but run fine afterwards |
| 20:44.17 | Danar | Eulex: firefox, gedit & k3b, that i recall |
| 20:44.37 | Eulex | Danar, how much ram do you have? |
| 20:44.41 | Danar | 512 |
| 20:45.07 | Eulex | then I dunno |
| 20:45.41 | Danar | Eulex: ok, how about enabling direct rendering/hardware accelleration on a 9200se ? |
| 20:45.43 | mud_ | Danar u have DMA on? |
| 20:45.46 | Eulex | you could start them in a terminal (when you have gnome running again) and check the stdout problem |
| 20:45.52 | Danar | mud_: dunno |
| 20:45.58 | Eulex | Danar, fglrx |
| 20:46.02 | Danar | Eulex: i do |
| 20:46.29 | Danar | Eulex: yeh, but i heard it's crappy and there's a radeon driver that will do the job... |
| 20:46.46 | Eulex | Danar, have the correct kernel module installed with matching X fglrx drivers, and check your dmesg and X log for errors |
| 20:47.25 | Danar | Eulex: yeh, i went through the whole thing following a guide, and messed up on a step, and now i always get a 'version magick' thing |
| 20:47.45 | chops | Wyzard: FWIW, it does indeed look like lbxproxy doesn't speed things up for me at all. Thanks for your advice earlier. |
| 20:47.45 | Danar | forgot the page, and haven't had time to go through it again |
| 20:47.58 | Xytek^ | Can anyone help me with setting up WineX. so I can run steam/cs or is there another way of doing it? |
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| 20:48.11 | Danar | Xytek^: winex = cedega now |
| 20:48.12 | Eulex | Danar, version mismatch between kernel module and X driver? |
| 20:48.20 | Danar | Eulex: i think so... |
| 20:48.25 | Eulex | Danar, btw, did you compile the kernel driver yourself |
| 20:48.35 | resiak | Xytek^: Have you bought it? |
| 20:48.44 | Eulex | Danar, remove the one that is the wrong version and install the right one |
| 20:48.47 | Xytek^ | Nope, guess im sol.. then haha |
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| 20:49.03 | Danar | Eulex: i have the right one installed |
| 20:49.26 | resiak | Xytek^: You can build most of it from source. But it's $5... |
| 20:49.30 | Eulex | Danar, then why do you get version mismatch? |
| 20:49.31 | Danar | Xytek^: google cvscedega |
| 20:49.35 | Xytek^ | Is there any free way of making windoze programs run on linux, i should restate that. |
| 20:49.40 | falco_toadfoot | Wyzard: could I downgrade to a version of udev which is ok to use on <2.6.12 ? |
| 20:49.41 | Danar | resiak: not if you build it yourself |
| 20:49.46 | EmleyMoor | wine can do many |
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| 20:49.56 | Danar | wine is no good for games. better for general apps |
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| 20:50.25 | Danar | Eulex: one of the later steps building the package required me to put a version suffix or something, and it got it wrong |
| 20:50.27 | Eulex | falco_toadfoot, maybe -- udev in testing may work ok in sid (though I can't guarantee it will work at all) |
| 20:50.42 | resiak | Danar: I know. I phrased what I said badly. |
| 20:50.47 | Danar | k |
| 20:50.47 | Eulex | Danar, why are you compiling it when there are binary packages? |
| 20:50.58 | Danar | Eulex: just following the guide |
| 20:51.02 | Danar | Eulex: i forget |
| 20:51.04 | Xytek^ | I may just have to dual boot windows & Linux, since ill need windows for steam etc.. im sure there's a way to run it on here though lol. |
| 20:51.20 | resiak | Xytek^: Hell, I think you can run Steam in Wine proper. |
| 20:51.27 | Danar | Xytek^: google cvscedega |
| 20:51.30 | Hiruko | where is the list of supported bioses? |
| 20:51.33 | Hiruko | for apci |
| 20:51.34 | Eulex | Danar, you don't need to compile anything of fglrx at all, if you aren't using a custom kernel |
| 20:51.36 | Hiruko | acpi |
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| 20:52.33 | Danar | well, i'd go through the guide again, but firefox takes forever to start. anyone care to help me with that? |
| 20:52.46 | Danar | it's not the only app that does it |
| 20:52.49 | Eulex | Danar, how can you start firefox with no working gnome? |
| 20:53.02 | Danar | Eulex: i'm in icewm |
| 20:53.09 | Eulex | Danar, start it in a terminal and see if it emits any useful info |
| 20:53.11 | Eulex | Danar, ok |
| 20:53.16 | Danar | Eulex: nope |
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| 20:53.20 | furrywolf | Eulex: eh? what does gnome have to do with firefox at all? |
| 20:53.32 | floppyears | Danar: start firefox with a new profile |
| 20:53.46 | Danar | /etc/init.d/xprint: 531: Syntax error: Bad substitution |
| 20:53.46 | Danar | (Gecko:14593): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) |
| 20:53.58 | Danar | i get those now, but it did it before i got those as well |
| 20:54.04 | Eulex | furrywolf, his gnome was not working, so I asked him how he could have started firefox at all |
| 20:54.24 | Danar | Eulex: i have a few WMs |
| 20:54.30 | Eulex | Danar, you're looking for errors, not warnings |
| 20:54.33 | zth_ | how to remount all fstab? |
| 20:54.37 | Danar | Eulex: i also have kde, icewm, and openbox |
| 20:54.44 | Eulex | Danar, ok |
| 20:54.53 | tung | how do you login from a windows computer to linux that has samba setup ? whats the format of the username? |
| 20:54.53 | Danar | kde takes forever to log in, icewm is fine, and openbox doesn't work either |
| 20:54.56 | furrywolf | you don't need a window manager to use firefox. it just helps though. :P |
| 20:54.57 | tung | domain\username ? |
| 20:55.10 | Stealth-X | gnome > all |
| 20:55.10 | Stealth-X | (\_ _/) |
| 20:55.11 | Stealth-X | (='.'=) |
| 20:55.11 | Stealth-X | (")_(") |
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| 20:55.18 | Danar | furrywolf: yeh, but it's a little odd without one |
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| 20:55.23 | Stealth-X | owned |
| 20:55.26 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good way to get the applications I had on my machine before it was wiped reinstalled properly? I have a backup of the machine as it was just before the wipe |
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| 20:55.50 | tung | thanks chanserv |
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| 20:55.59 | pureone | emleymoor apt-get :P |
| 20:56.00 | norton | which package does xv belong to? |
| 20:56.11 | Danar | hrm, firefox starts fine with a new profile |
| 20:56.27 | furrywolf | gah! typing "Yes, do as I say!" is hard on this tiny of a laptop keyboard. :) |
| 20:56.28 | EmleyMoor | pureone: I know about apt-get - it's getting back to where I was before |
| 20:56.32 | Danar | ok, what about gedit & k3b? |
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| 20:56.57 | cr3 | can someone give me a source to get non-free packages for sarge? |
| 20:57.36 | furrywolf | sarge no longer has non-free |
| 20:57.42 | simonrvn | @lart Stealth-X |
| 20:57.54 | yhg | is anyone having weird problems with Firefox in Unstable? They're... kind of hard to describe. It's kind of like images and text get kind of rippled and realigned when something moves, like an animated gif, or I select some text. |
| 20:57.58 | EmleyMoor | What I'm really after is a way to take a file like, say, the package database from the old instance and have apt/dpkg get what I need and remove anything I don't need |
| 20:58.01 | Stealth-X | COOl |
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| 20:58.19 | Danar | furrywolf: guess i should fix my sources.list then... got a good source for that? |
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| 20:58.30 | GoatRoby | WOW! The easiest and fastest distro to install ever :) |
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| 20:58.48 | Danar | yhg: shouldn't use the debian package anyway |
| 20:58.51 | yhg | Danar: Just comment out the non-free bit. |
| 20:59.00 | yhg | Oh? I've never heard that. |
| 20:59.13 | Danar | yhg: where do you get those packages then? |
| 20:59.27 | Danar | yhg: that's from the firefox devs. the extension system is borked |
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| 20:59.47 | yhg | hmm. I've never had a problem with extensions running the debian package. |
| 21:00.15 | Danar | well, if you ever do, and you go to them for help, they'll tell you to use the official package |
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| 21:00.22 | tarzeau | GoatRoby: debian? |
| 21:00.38 | tarzeau | GoatRoby: you've ever installed on non-i386? |
| 21:00.54 | tarzeau | norton: checked "feh" yet? |
| 21:01.17 | exobyte | what utilities other than fsck can give me a clue as to why a hard drive is acting up? I think it overheated, but I'm not sure |
| 21:01.22 | chops | yhg: A bug that sounds like that one has been bugging me for many moons. Sec, lemme find it. |
| 21:01.41 | EmleyMoor | What would do, even if it means a lot of manual work for me, is a file off the old machine that states what packages are installed |
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| 21:02.06 | GoatRoby | tarzeau: yeah i just installed debian... the very basic net cd so installation was very fast to get base system up |
| 21:02.12 | GoatRoby | tarzeau: no i have not installed on non-i386 |
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| 21:02.43 | falco_toadfoot | Eulex: how do I install a different version of a package? tried apt-get install udev-0.060, but that returned "couldn't find package" |
| 21:02.51 | tarzeau | exobyte: dmesg ? ide or scsi disk? |
| 21:03.03 | Whisky_ | mutt continuously says "/var/mail/root is not a mailbox." so i cant receive mail, what should i do ? |
| 21:03.03 | tarzeau | exobyte: who is the manufacturer? badblocks can run a check on it? |
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| 21:03.12 | yhg | exobyte: look at the smartmontools package |
| 21:03.22 | exobyte | yhg: I should try that |
| 21:03.31 | Danar | ok, as a test i started gedit. it took 7 minutes to appear |
| 21:03.39 | simonrvn | falco_toadfoot: packagename=versionfoundinapt-cachesearch |
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| 21:03.58 | simonrvn | e.g. foobar=1.2.3-4 |
| 21:04.14 | Danar | falco_toadfoot: try udev/testing or udev/unstable |
| 21:04.23 | exobyte | tarzeau: wd. their utility said it's fine. I'm tarring the contents to /dev/null to see if it crashes |
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| 21:04.57 | falco_toadfoot | Eulex: do I have to add a new URI to sources.list for that to work? |
| 21:04.59 | Danar | falco_toadfoot: or you can use synaptic and press CTRL+E |
| 21:05.09 | falco_toadfoot | still getting E: Release 'testing' for 'udev' was not found |
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| 21:05.19 | falco_toadfoot | Danar: ok |
| 21:05.25 | liable | falco_toadfoot: you have problems with udev in sarge? |
| 21:05.30 | Eulex | falco_toadfoot, I dunno |
| 21:05.42 | falco_toadfoot | liable: no, unstable (etch?) |
| 21:05.49 | Danar | falco_toadfoot: then either there's no testing release for udev, or it's not in your sources.list |
| 21:05.54 | liable | falco_toadfoot: have a look in bts. Downgrade it. |
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| 21:05.59 | EmleyMoor | etch = testing. sid = unstable |
| 21:06.00 | Eulex | falco_toadfoot, etch is testing |
| 21:06.07 | falco_toadfoot | okie |
| 21:06.33 | liable | falco_toadfoot: no mouse etc? |
| 21:06.36 | falco_toadfoot | I'm just trying to find the 0.060 package |
| 21:06.40 | chops | yhg: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148784 is the bug. |
| 21:06.40 | Danar | anyone know what might cause gedit to take 7 minutes to appear? |
| 21:06.42 | falco_toadfoot | liable: 'sactly |
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| 21:07.17 | chops | yhg: Adding "pref("browser.display.screen_resolution", 96);" to /etc/mozilla/prefs.js fixed it for me. YMMV, or your bug might be a totally different problem. |
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| 21:08.20 | yhg | hmm. Well, I'll try that, but the distortians I'm having are usually vertical, and seem to be mostly within images, though they do affect text as well. |
| 21:08.25 | GoatRoby | There are various packages of vim available in aptitude, I want the console vim (no gnome stuff at all) |
| 21:08.27 | Xytek^ | is there an active-x package? |
| 21:08.39 | GoatRoby | which vim should I install? |
| 21:09.00 | Xytek^ | steam requires active x :/ :o |
| 21:09.02 | Eulex | Xytek^, active-x is windows-specific |
| 21:09.14 | Danar | GoatRoby: gnome vim is gvim |
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| 21:09.26 | Danar | GoatRoby: try just 'vim' |
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| 21:10.10 | caphuso | why would he? bash doesn't enable its programmable completion either |
| 21:10.10 | GoatRoby | Danar: ah, i didn't realise the 'vim' is what i wanted, i thought it was a sub category to the list of vims :) |
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| 21:10.30 | pmitros | I gotta dumb question. I'm poking around packages.debian.org. For source packages, it has a .tar.gz and a .diff.gz. What are they? Is .tar.gz the original distribution and .diff.gz the Debian changes, or is .tar.gz the Debian version, and the .diff.gz something else? |
| 21:10.59 | pmitros | I'm assuming, from the naming, it's the former... |
| 21:11.05 | Danar | pmitros: the tar is the source. the diff is the difference between the sources |
| 21:11.15 | simonrvn | pmitros: orig.tar.gz is upstream, diff.gz is debian patches |
| 21:11.21 | pmitros | simon: Thanks. |
| 21:11.47 | simonrvn | pmitros: that's will change a bit when dpkg packages of 2.0 come out, but will be backwards compat |
| 21:12.05 | simonrvn | see debian-devel-announce wrt apt |
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| 21:12.59 | GoatRoby | What does 'A' mean for package state in aptitude? |
| 21:13.09 | simonrvn | auto installed due to deps |
| 21:13.20 | simonrvn | man aptitude |
| 21:14.11 | GoatRoby | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 21:14.26 | ke6isf | furrywolf: Curious, why? |
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| 21:15.01 | furrywolf | ke6isf: installing into 227mb of disk space. |
| 21:15.01 | Whisky_ | I can Send emails but when someone replies to my email, i dont get the mail. I am using sendmail and mutt |
| 21:15.52 | GoatRoby | I have a 2nd hard drive which I'd like to mount, should it go to /mnt (which I am used to) or /media? |
| 21:15.52 | ke6isf | furrywolf: Eh, good reason. ^^ |
| 21:15.52 | pureone | whisky_ what are the logs saying? |
| 21:15.52 | Triffid_Hunter | Whisky_: what have you set as your return address? |
| 21:15.57 | ke6isf | Whisky_: Don't use sendmail, use postfix. |
| 21:16.01 | Triffid_Hunter | GoatRoby: wherever you want |
| 21:16.03 | Whisky_ | :S |
| 21:16.23 | Whisky_ | Triffid_Hunter: Where do i set that? :S |
| 21:16.23 | furrywolf | it's a 1.5gig drive, but I can't delete windoze until I have debian working, since this laptop does not (and can not!) have any removable drives... so the only way to boot it is off the hard drive. |
| 21:16.24 | Whisky_ | ahh |
| 21:16.28 | Whisky_ | uninstalling sendmail.... |
| 21:16.36 | Triffid_Hunter | Whisky_: muttrc? |
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| 21:16.45 | Triffid_Hunter | ~/bash_profile maybe |
| 21:16.46 | ke6isf | furrywolf: Ah, thus the rube goldberg from the other day. |
| 21:17.05 | ke6isf | Whisky_: I'd suspect 'apt-get install postfix' will do the job of removing sendmail, but this is untested on my end. |
| 21:17.12 | pureone | !start a mail war |
| 21:17.12 | dpkg | mutt was written by monkeys on typewriters smoking crack while listening to Bjork. |
| 21:17.20 | ke6isf | !ed |
| 21:17.20 | dpkg | methinks ed is the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
| 21:17.31 | Whisky_ | LOL |
| 21:17.36 | simonrvn | ho-ly |
| 21:17.44 | Whisky_ | !start a mail war |
| 21:17.44 | dpkg | mail was written by monkeys on typewriters smoking crack while listening to Bjork. |
| 21:17.46 | simonrvn | quite the troll factoid =) |
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| 21:17.47 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 21:18.00 | simonrvn | ok ok, don't over-do it |
| 21:18.18 | furrywolf | hrmm. looks like I need to delete windows now, as apt is complaining I'm out of ram. :) |
| 21:18.22 | Xytek^ | Apparently WineX can run steam, but I dont know how to compile it, even if i did its too much work for a novice.. lol. so ill just dual boot windows. |
| 21:18.22 | gioeleb | hi |
| 21:18.27 | furrywolf | couldn't make a swap partition with windoze on it... |
| 21:18.36 | ke6isf | furrywolf: Are you out of ram, or disk space? |
| 21:18.49 | falco_toadfoot | downgrading udev from 0.062-1 to 0.056-3., rebooting now.. hope it'll be fixed ;P |
| 21:18.52 | gioeleb | does someone know how to "zoom" a .ps file? |
| 21:18.53 | pipeline | Xytek^: Or, god forbid, you could just buy cedega. |
| 21:18.59 | furrywolf | ke6isf: both. I don't have any space on the disk to create a swap partition to solve the ram problem. :P |
| 21:19.03 | pipeline | Xytek^: It's 20$. Windows costs 300$. I think you can afford it. |
| 21:19.07 | ke6isf | Ah. |
| 21:19.09 | nksen | !country sg |
| 21:19.10 | dpkg | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 21:19.20 | pureone | people pay for windows.... |
| 21:19.20 | simonrvn | !sg |
| 21:19.20 | dpkg | sg is Singapore -- don't tell me you didn't know that! |
| 21:19.48 | Danar | which doesn't have non-free now? |
| 21:19.48 | nksen | yes, i did not know that dpkg :( |
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| 21:19.54 | simonrvn | i just went to fetch wine from sf.net /debs. WTF would i want to pay for a POS "OS"? |
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| 21:20.07 | simonrvn | er, s,/,., |
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| 21:20.16 | z0c | hello :) |
| 21:20.17 | raf256_ | wow, we have _almost_ as much ppl here as on Gentoo isnt that amazing |
| 21:20.17 | Danar | nksen: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:20.22 | nksen | Danar: i know :) |
| 21:20.27 | Danar | k |
| 21:20.37 | Triffid_Hunter | only another 102 to go ;) |
| 21:20.51 | Whisky_ | Starting mail transport agent: Postfix. |
| 21:21.01 | z0c | how can i check which package contains selected file? |
| 21:21.01 | simonrvn | i've seen it hit above 800 on weekdays |
| 21:21.04 | Danar | which doesn't have non-free now? |
| 21:21.12 | Whisky_ | ok |
| 21:21.13 | nksen | z0c: packages.debian.org |
| 21:21.18 | z0c | nksen: no no |
| 21:21.19 | Triffid_Hunter | ~88.5% of gentoo's population |
| 21:21.28 | simonrvn | dlocate, apt-file |
| 21:21.31 | z0c | i want something like rpm -ql `which file` |
| 21:21.33 | simonrvn | dpkg -S |
| 21:21.33 | z0c | but using dpkg |
| 21:21.34 | z0c | :) |
| 21:21.59 | streuner | heh |
| 21:22.01 | z0c | [root@werewolf][23:20:41] :/boot# dpkg -S /usr/sbin/arp |
| 21:22.01 | z0c | net-tools: /usr/sbin/arp |
| 21:22.03 | z0c | whoah |
| 21:22.03 | streuner | dpkg, wake up! |
| 21:22.03 | dpkg | streuner: I'm already awake! :) |
| 21:22.10 | z0c | simonrvn: thanks |
| 21:22.19 | simonrvn | oh boy, it's gonna be interesting building heimdal with gcc 4 |
| 21:22.46 | simonrvn | z0c: dlocate does even faster |
| 21:22.47 | Danar | hello? which did non-free disappear from? |
| 21:22.52 | nksen | how's this app called, that can read text? |
| 21:23.01 | simonrvn | you mean a pager? :) |
| 21:23.11 | idnar | Danar: huh? |
| 21:23.26 | Danar | from stable? |
| 21:23.29 | idnar | Danar: do you mean non-us? |
| 21:23.43 | nksen | simonrvn: not really. it's an app like... 'readout | "hello world"' and then the text is spoken to the soundcard |
| 21:23.44 | z0c | :) |
| 21:23.50 | Danar | idnar: trying to fix my sources.list |
| 21:23.54 | idnar | oh |
| 21:23.54 | simonrvn | nksen: festival |
| 21:23.58 | ttick | how do I force a reinstall of a package -- say if I deleted the file by accident "less". ? |
| 21:23.59 | nksen | thx |
| 21:24.01 | z0c | is there easy way to build deb packages? smth like rpm -bb? |
| 21:24.03 | z0c | :) |
| 21:24.11 | Danar | !smth |
| 21:24.12 | dpkg | it has been said that smth is stupid-speak for something |
| 21:24.16 | Danar | heh |
| 21:24.31 | falco_toadfoot | working again |
| 21:24.32 | falco_toadfoot | :D |
| 21:24.34 | beardy | nksen: cat "foo" | festival --tts ? |
| 21:24.51 | Whisky_ | still no mail -_- |
| 21:24.52 | beardy | echo I mean.. |
| 21:24.59 | nksen | beardy: just forgot the name of the app |
| 21:25.21 | falco_toadfoot | thanks for all the help with the issue :) |
| 21:25.30 | Whisky_ | what do u recommend over mutt ? |
| 21:25.32 | Whisky_ | because |
| 21:25.38 | simonrvn | z0c: yes. go see new maintainer guide www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 21:25.38 | Whisky_ | !start a mail war |
| 21:25.39 | dpkg | evolution was written by monkeys on typewriters smoking crack while listening to Bjork. |
| 21:25.51 | z0c | simonrvn: m`kay |
| 21:25.56 | Whisky_ | and same goes for mutt :p |
| 21:26.13 | simonrvn | z0c: dpkg-buildpackage, in dpkg-dev IIRC |
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| 21:26.32 | ttick | Whisky_: pine is good, if you don't use gnupg. |
| 21:26.47 | ttick | Whisky_: if you're looking for cli, that is. |
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| 21:27.08 | Whisky_ | ttick: Sigh i cant install pine by apt-get :/ |
| 21:27.15 | Whisky_ | how do i get it ? |
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| 21:27.29 | EmleyMoor | pine is non-free |
| 21:27.39 | ttick | Whisky_: hmm, google pine, forget the website. there's a binary to DL, I'm sure. |
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| 21:27.57 | simonrvn | non-free source |
| 21:28.07 | mathieu | z0c, dh_make |
| 21:28.48 | mathieu | z0c, it creates a debian/rules where you can add compile flags etc.. |
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| 21:30.59 | goron | !:/ |
| 21:31.01 | ke6isf | Whisky_: There's a private archive that a deb for Pine is maintained on. |
| 21:31.13 | mathieu | why not settle with mutt |
| 21:31.21 | mathieu | a fine client |
| 21:31.24 | thoron | Because mutt sucks. |
| 21:31.30 | ke6isf | Hey, I just like pine. |
| 21:31.30 | petemc | less |
| 21:31.30 | simonrvn | mutt sucks less |
| 21:31.34 | thoron | Wanna troll more? =) |
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| 21:31.54 | thoron | cone is pine clone. |
| 21:32.11 | ke6isf | thoron: So what does cone stand for? |
| 21:32.12 | simonrvn | i never liked pine anyway |
| 21:32.49 | dondelelcaro | settle for mutt? You should aspire to use mutt. |
| 21:32.49 | furrywolf | pine isn't bad, but it's non-free, and sometimes has a bit of an "I know better than you do" attitude when you try configuring it... |
| 21:33.05 | simonrvn | hehe, dondelelcaro |
| 21:33.11 | thoron | mutt is not very userfriendly. |
| 21:33.16 | ke6isf | Real users use mh. |
| 21:33.25 | simonrvn | #define USER_FRIENDLY |
| 21:33.35 | furrywolf | real users use cat /var/spool/mail/$USER :P |
| 21:33.41 | thoron | ke6isf, real users emulate raw SMTP server with netcat. |
| 21:33.41 | mathieu | mutt feels like vim to me |
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| 21:33.56 | furrywolf | netcat? telnet! |
| 21:33.59 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* when you spend as much time in an MUA as I do, speed and usability are far more important than userfriendlyness |
| 21:33.59 | EmleyMoor | vim the editor or vim the scouring powder? |
| 21:34.06 | pablum | all wrong: USERFRIENDLY is an assert() |
| 21:34.09 | simonrvn | mathieu: esp. when you use vim as an editor ;) |
| 21:34.18 | simonrvn | pablum: *groan* |
| 21:34.18 | mathieu | :) |
| 21:34.21 | thoron | furrywolf, no, the server. telnet is not a server, but a client. |
| 21:34.30 | scar_ | I am currently running a simple proftpd on sarge. is it possible to add Auth TLS to a running configuration? If yes, how is it done or where can I refer? |
| 21:34.46 | simonrvn | yes, mutt is the fastest IME |
| 21:34.51 | furrywolf | thoron: ah. I thought you meant using netcat to connect to the destination smtp server and send mail that way. :P |
| 21:35.07 | furrywolf | (which I've done using telnet... probably sad) |
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| 21:35.22 | simonrvn | furrywolf: who hasn't? ;p |
| 21:35.22 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: nah, that's a legitimate practice |
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| 21:35.28 | thoron | furrywolf, every postmaster does that time to time. |
| 21:35.44 | geordie | i just started using gnus after using mutt for a long time |
| 21:35.53 | thoron | Cone: COnsole Newsreader And Emailer, http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ |
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| 21:36.01 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: the problem becomes when you're sending properly formatted mime mails through telnet |
| 21:36.06 | furrywolf | ok, if telnetting to a smtp server isn't sad... I used to be able to telnet to bahamut irc servers that had c/n lines for my ip, and connect as a fully TS3 compliant server. is that sad yet? :) |
| 21:36.08 | ke6isf | Thor-: Ah. |
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| 21:36.15 | ke6isf | wait, it's related to courier? Oy gevalt... |
| 21:36.31 | thoron | And nobody has packaged cone for debian. |
| 21:36.41 | dondelelcaro | thoron: file an rfp or package it yourself |
| 21:36.47 | simonrvn | thoron: so what are you waiting for? *hinthint* ;) |
| 21:36.57 | jakel | help me , how play vcd con xine, i can't |
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| 21:37.09 | thoron | Well, I am visting the Debconf 5 and I not a debian developer yet. =) |
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| 21:37.24 | ke6isf | jakel: What are the symptoms? |
| 21:37.25 | dondelelcaro | thoron: where are you? |
| 21:37.30 | ptdr | yoooo mdr <3 |
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| 21:37.32 | mdr | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ FUCK |
| 21:37.33 | simonrvn | i maintained quik for a few months, and i'm not a DD either. had a sponsor |
| 21:37.40 | simonrvn | duh. dumb troll |
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| 21:37.41 | thoron | dondelelcaro, currently I am at home, Porvoo, 50 km away. |
| 21:37.41 | EmleyMoor | I have restored /var/lib/dpkg/* from my old machine to a spare location. Is there a good way to get a simple list of what was installed when I made the backup copy? |
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| 21:37.46 | ptdr | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 21:37.46 | ptdr | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
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| 21:37.55 | simonrvn | dumb troll #2 |
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| 21:38.17 | ke6isf | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 21:38.17 | dondelelcaro | thoron: ah |
| 21:38.18 | chealer | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 21:38.19 | Fleck | kids... |
| 21:38.24 | dondelelcaro | thoron: thought you were still heree... |
| 21:38.27 | Rawplayer | ow dear |
| 21:38.36 | Rawplayer | its play hour again |
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| 21:38.45 | thoron | dondelelcaro, I might get there still again. |
| 21:38.46 | simonrvn | Rawplayer: so it would seem |
| 21:39.01 | ke6isf | They've been out in droves all weekend. Bletch. |
| 21:39.12 | dondelelcaro | thoron: well, in either case, you don't need to be a Debian Developer to package something. |
| 21:39.13 | simonrvn | it's the weekend. of course. |
| 21:39.16 | pmitros | Okay. So to build a .deb from something on packages.debian.org, I grab the file.orig.tar.gz and file.diff.gz. I tar xfvz file.tar.gz. cd file. patch<../file.diff. Then what? I see a rules file that looks like it contains info on how to build... |
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| 21:39.20 | GoatRoby | I need my userid and group id to be 500 instead of the default 1000, is tht OK if I just change it in passwd? |
| 21:39.28 | chealer | isn't there a *.aol.com ban yet?... |
| 21:39.28 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Ah, so it has *nothing* to do with lunar phase. |
| 21:39.32 | simonrvn | thoron: simonrvn i maintained quik for a few months, and i'm not a DD either. had a sponsor |
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| 21:39.42 | dondelelcaro | pmitros: chmod +x debian/rules; fakeroot debain/rules binary; |
| 21:39.49 | simonrvn | ke6isf: nah. though sometimes it does |
| 21:40.03 | EmleyMoor | I have restored /var/lib/dpkg/* from my old machine to a spare location. Is there a good way to get a simple list of what was installed when I made the backup copy? |
| 21:40.11 | dondelelcaro | pmitros: often it's better to download the .dsc as well and use dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; |
| 21:40.14 | bricecube | is there wa way to find all packages whose version ends in dotdeb? I'm trying to remove all dotdeb packages & go w/ stable ones... thanks! |
| 21:40.33 | ke6isf | bricecube: You mean the package files? |
| 21:40.33 | dondelelcaro | bricecube: use grep-status in grep-dctrl |
| 21:40.46 | pmitros | dondelelcaro: Oh. Didn't know that existed. Thanks., |
| 21:40.58 | bricecube | yeah.. package files |
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| 21:41.13 | ke6isf | bricecube: find / -name *.deb |
| 21:41.14 | bricecube | dondelelcaro, in dselect ?? |
| 21:41.20 | dondelelcaro | bricecube: no, in grep-dctrl |
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| 21:41.33 | bricecube | dondelelcaro, unfamilar with.. will check out |
| 21:41.36 | thoron | simonrvn, what is quik, email client? |
| 21:41.53 | simonrvn | bootloader |
| 21:42.33 | Supaplex | as in quikmail? haha |
| 21:42.47 | simonrvn | @info quik |
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| 21:43.11 | Supaplex | I'm making reference to the bbs days. my bad :) |
| 21:43.22 | ke6isf | woo, qwk |
| 21:44.31 | Supaplex | yup :) |
| 21:44.59 | Fleck | Supaplex hehe just like an old MS Dos game :)) |
| 21:45.11 | Supaplex | for sure! |
| 21:45.13 | beardy | :) |
| 21:45.17 | ke6isf | +++ |
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| 21:46.24 | ke6isf | Hey, what's a good quick way to generate a list of the names of currently installed packages? |
| 21:46.40 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 21:46.40 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 21:46.40 | mtnman | ke6isf: dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:46.43 | simonrvn | COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
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| 21:46.59 | furrywolf | heh. when I ran my BBS, my 4 2400 baud modems were considered spiffy and shiny. :P |
| 21:47.01 | jakel | spanish? |
| 21:47.10 | dondelelcaro | jakel: #debian-es |
| 21:47.27 | furrywolf | of course, all people ever did on it was play tradewars... |
| 21:47.28 | jakel | thanks! |
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| 21:47.42 | Whisky_ | !start an os war |
| 21:47.42 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 21:47.44 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Works great, but how do I only get a list of names? |
| 21:47.47 | Whisky_ | !start an os war |
| 21:47.52 | Whisky_ | :p |
| 21:47.56 | Danar | do testing & unstable still have non-free? |
| 21:47.56 | furrywolf | and upload yiffy stuff and make me yell at them, of course. :P |
| 21:48.07 | Danar | or is non-free just gone? |
| 21:48.20 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Never mind, got it. |
| 21:48.31 | falco_toadfoot | how do I hold back a package? |
| 21:48.40 | ke6isf | !hold |
| 21:48.41 | dpkg | methinks hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 21:48.41 | jakel | i have problem with xine, help me |
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| 21:48.51 | ke6isf | jakel: What are the symptoms? |
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| 21:49.14 | furrywolf | !it doesn't work |
| 21:49.22 | furrywolf | !doesn't work |
| 21:49.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:49.23 | Danar | !doesn't work |
| 21:49.28 | Danar | oops |
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| 21:49.34 | jorge_bla | hi |
| 21:49.35 | Molisk | Hello... I got an problem... i have installed Debian Sarge stable version... and when i boot i get "fsck failed. Please repair manually" ... i have ReiserFS on my 3 hdd's... how do i fix this manually? |
| 21:50.01 | jorge_bla | how to make some deb package? as in slackware checkonfig? |
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| 21:50.02 | ke6isf | Molisk: Did it return you to a prompt when it told you this? |
| 21:50.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell jorge_bla -about nm guide |
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| 21:50.33 | raf256_ | !guerinsmite jorge_bla |
| 21:51.15 | bricecube | Any guides to getting tomcat 5.5 on Sarge (w/ apache) ? |
| 21:51.23 | jakel | The Xine does not want to reproduce a vcd, I give him clic to the button that he says vcd and only he continues reading, that I do? |
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| 21:51.37 | Molisk | ke6isf it's when it boots... it says press Ctrl+D to continue... or type root password to maintain |
| 21:52.15 | ke6isf | Molisk: I suspect entering the password and running fsck by hand on the partition is the Correct Thing; it always was under Mandreck, when I was using it. |
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| 21:53.00 | ke6isf | jakel: 'apt-get install libvcdinfo0' |
| 21:53.02 | Danar | jakel: you need to work on your english. who is 'he'? :p |
| 21:53.03 | saerdna | at what time is /etc/cron.daily/ scripts executed? |
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| 21:53.21 | ke6isf | Danar: I think I can parse it; it looks like he's having trouble playing vcd w/ xine. |
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| 21:53.32 | raf256_ | !when |
| 21:53.32 | dpkg | Now! |
| 21:53.33 | ke6isf | Danar: I suspect a missing lib. |
| 21:54.00 | Danar | ke6isf: yeh, i think i understood most of it, except the end.. |
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| 21:54.37 | jakel | i sorry |
| 21:54.37 | Molisk | ke5isf i tried that... i get this: Partition /dev/dha1 is mounted with write permissions, cannot check it |
| 21:54.38 | Molisk | sorry ke6isf |
| 21:54.42 | ke6isf | Molisk: Is this during boot? |
| 21:54.43 | seth | FYI I can't play a vcd with xine either; I use kmplayer |
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| 21:54.52 | Molisk | ke6isf : yes |
| 21:55.06 | Danar | jakel: continues reading what? |
| 21:55.47 | ke6isf | Molisk: Curiousity, do you have a separate boot partition, or are you mounting everything onto one partition? |
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| 21:56.15 | jakel | the disk, A good time and it does not do anything |
| 21:56.20 | Molisk | i have 20gb partition for everything exept /home , /backup , /backup2 |
| 21:56.40 | ke6isf | Molisk: Better break out the install cd and go rescue. |
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| 21:57.04 | Molisk | ke6isf : can you recommend any good partition table? |
| 21:57.28 | Danar | jakel: did you try what ke6isf said? |
| 21:57.33 | ke6isf | Molisk: Well, yeah - I use a few megabytes for /boot, and then just get creative after that. |
| 21:57.45 | ke6isf | Molisk: /boot, btw, I mount as ext2 and everything else is reiser. |
| 21:57.53 | saerdna | at what time is /etc/cron.daily/ scripts executed? |
| 21:57.57 | sgeigerbot | Can someone remind me what to do if there is no ./configure ? (There's an m4 script called configure.in, btw.) |
| 21:57.58 | Molisk | oki... gonna try that... thanks for the help |
| 21:58.10 | simonrvn | saerdna: less /etc/crontab |
| 21:58.14 | ke6isf | sgeigerbot: Is there a file named README? |
| 21:58.16 | seth | ke6isf: why not ext3? |
| 21:58.29 | sgeigerbot | kegood thinking. I was reading the web site instructions instead... |
| 21:58.38 | ke6isf | seth: No good reason, just don't feel I need journaling for a partition that I use once and dismount promptly once I'm bootstrappted. |
| 21:58.40 | nvz | Molisk: I recommend you read the FHS and figure it out for yourself |
| 21:58.51 | jorge_bla | dondelelcaro, raf256 i used checkinstall |
| 21:58.56 | Danar | saerdna: there's prolly another script to execte (like perl or something) |
| 21:59.04 | Molisk | nvz : FHS? |
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| 21:59.07 | nvz | Molisk: /backup and /backup2 go against FHS, and are probably not a good idea.. |
| 21:59.17 | ke6isf | !fhs |
| 21:59.17 | dpkg | it has been said that fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 21:59.23 | sh4dowcat | how do you fix the apt error E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 21:59.24 | nvz | Molisk: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
| 21:59.25 | sgeigerbot | ke6isf: The README suggests that there's a ./configure |
| 21:59.37 | caphuso | sh4dowcat: /msg dpkg apt-mmap |
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| 21:59.41 | ke6isf | sgeigerbot: What program is this? |
| 21:59.49 | Molisk | thx dudes... reading now |
| 21:59.49 | nvz | Molisk: will help you understand why the filesystem is organized the way it is, and what each location is for |
| 21:59.59 | ke6isf | sgeigerbot: And semi important, how did you download this? |
| 22:00.08 | Molisk | i know what they are for... but in my woody syste i never had these problems |
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| 22:00.18 | Molisk | i don't use my server for more than eggdrops and an ftp |
| 22:00.37 | sgeigerbot | ke6isf: cvs with these commands (only took 30 seconds...in case you are curious): export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/gnuplot; cvs login; cvs -z3 checkout gnuplot |
| 22:00.53 | sh4dowcat | thank you caphuso |
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| 22:01.08 | jakel | But this package libvcdinfo0 is a part(report) of xine or a lib that brings it with the discs of debian sarge |
| 22:01.11 | ke6isf | sgeigerbot: There's a deb for gnuplot, you shouldn't need to check it out on cvs. |
| 22:01.48 | sgeigerbot | ke6isf: I know. I have it installed. But that's version 4.0...and I want some nifty 4.1 features. |
| 22:01.50 | ke6isf | jakel: It's a library for vcd, and came up when I did 'apt-cache search xine | grep vcd'; it could work. If not, try mplayer. |
| 22:01.56 | ke6isf | sgeigerbot: Ah, OK. |
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| 22:02.25 | ke6isf | sgeigerbot: You might check sf for the tarball then, I've *never* seen a configure come across on a CVS checkout. |
| 22:02.38 | sgeigerbot | ahhh. |
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| 22:02.54 | sh4dowcat | heh I guess tracking all the sarge sources isn't a very good idea |
| 22:02.55 | sh4dowcat | :/ |
| 22:03.05 | Danar | jakel: whether it's available on the cd or not, you should make sure you have it installed. so run 'sudo apt-get install libvcdinfo0' |
| 22:03.12 | thoron | Does somebody know about experimental distribution, what is best way to just install few packages there and not all of experimental stuff. |
| 22:03.16 | sh4dowcat | actually... all of stable, testing, unstable, and experimental |
| 22:03.26 | nvz | thoron: experimental is not a distribution |
| 22:03.37 | nvz | thoron: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 22:04.03 | daxxar | How can I disable an account from logging in via SSH/terminal? |
| 22:04.25 | Triffid_Hunter | daxxar: disable the password |
| 22:04.36 | Triffid_Hunter | or change the shell to /bin/false |
| 22:04.37 | nvz | daxxar: put a ! or * in their password field |
| 22:04.40 | seth | daxxar: as root, update-rc.d -f ssh remove stops ssh from loading at boot |
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| 22:04.48 | daxxar | a single user, not all users. |
| 22:04.56 | daxxar | I need the user to be able to login via FTP, for example. :) |
| 22:05.06 | nvz | daxxar: your question has been answered twice already |
| 22:05.06 | seth | daxxar: ah, then what nvz said ;-) |
| 22:05.11 | ke6isf | daxxar: chsh user /bin/false |
| 22:05.20 | thoron | nvz, I see. |
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| 22:05.23 | nvz | seth's answer not being counted |
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| 22:05.25 | nvz | heh |
| 22:05.33 | nvz | as he didnt read the question first |
| 22:05.34 | Triffid_Hunter | ah yeah change the shell then.. disabling the pass kills all interactive auths |
| 22:05.45 | daxxar | nvz, ok ;P |
| 22:05.47 | jakel | I also try to try with totem but opening the file .dat but to order a mistake of plugin, but use Kpackage to install all the packages that had the word vcd and I install them to myself and nothing, and if I install mplayer under all the codecs? |
| 22:05.49 | ke6isf | or just chsh -s /bin/false user, rather, |
| 22:05.57 | daxxar | nvz, ! or * in the beginning of the password? |
| 22:06.03 | levander | There is any way to load a samba share on demand? So that I don't have to remount them manually every time I boot my XP box? |
| 22:06.11 | daxxar | What's the diff between that and changing shell to /bin/false or similar? |
| 22:06.17 | nvz | daxxar: just as the password, period |
| 22:06.29 | daxxar | nvz, ah, that disables all interactive auth, right? |
| 22:06.51 | ke6isf | daxxar: Altering the password thusly forbids ANY login attempt by that user; changing to /bin/false causes the shell to be a program that simply returns 1 and dies. |
| 22:06.55 | nvz | daxxar: no, it makes it fail no matter what |
| 22:07.07 | daxxar | ok, thanks. |
| 22:07.10 | nvz | daxxar: because no password when hashed is ever going to be ! or * |
| 22:07.21 | daxxar | nvz, okay |
| 22:07.26 | ke6isf | daxxar: Thusly, by changing the shell, they don't have a shell acct, but can use other services that don't require a shell (e.g., POP3, ftp, etc. |
| 22:07.46 | ke6isf | jakel: Use synaptic, it's faster than kpackage. |
| 22:07.50 | daxxar | ke6isf, yep, i understood that part =) |
| 22:08.07 | nvz | daxxar: the difference I figure would be if you still need them to use standard auth, but dont want them to have a shell, then you set their shell to /bin/false |
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| 22:08.31 | nvz | daxxar: but things like samba for example, dont use that password file.. so for my samba users, I use the password method instead of the shell method |
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| 22:09.18 | Danar | what's the difference between 'upgradable' and 'upgradable (upstream)' in synaptic? |
| 22:10.07 | jakel | ok thanks |
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| 22:10.58 | jakel | but if have installed the package libvcdinfo0 why the error? |
| 22:11.05 | daxxar | Hm. Does vsftpd per default disable root ftp login? |
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| 22:11.16 | Whisky_ | as soon as I start my eggdrop, it just reboots my system :/ |
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| 22:11.19 | seth | daxxar:yes |
| 22:11.30 | daxxar | ok |
| 22:11.55 | seth | daxxar: read /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 22:11.58 | danowoz | I have been trying to forward port 55551 to an internal host through my debian box witch is set up as a proxy, can anyone help my witht he iptabels commands to accomplish this? |
| 22:12.11 | daxxar | seth, i don't need to enable it, i'm just curious. :) |
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| 22:13.09 | jakel | is better use mplayer, with all your codecs? |
| 22:13.37 | Molisk | I still get the same fsck problem... but now on hda2 :/ i use the regular setup as in FSH |
| 22:13.56 | Molisk | FHS* |
| 22:14.02 | daxxar | Hm. Does vsftpd check shell of users? |
| 22:14.03 | nvz | jakel: its "better" to use whatever you like "better" |
| 22:14.17 | danowoz | I have tried these commands in my proxy.sh script iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 22:14.19 | daxxar | check_shell :o |
| 22:14.20 | furrywolf | memtest86+'ing... no errors yet. but I suspect something's bad... |
| 22:14.25 | Triffid_Hunter | daxxar: i think you can tell vsftpd what is and isn't an allowable shell |
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| 22:14.41 | Triffid_Hunter | daxxar: symlink ftp-only to /bin/false, and set that as the shell of your ftp users ;) |
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| 22:15.03 | nvz | Molisk: what problem _specifically_ are you having? I certainly don't know of your fsck problem, and neither does anyone who just entered |
| 22:15.14 | coll | uhm, find / -size 100k will list all files biger than 100kb no? |
| 22:15.15 | jakel | excuse me |
| 22:15.21 | drusscol | I want to expunge all/most of my personal information from a linux system, but keep it running. Does anyone have a suggestion for a good way to do this? |
| 22:15.28 | nvz | Molisk: I recall you asking about how to divide 20GB between your partitioning scheme |
| 22:15.35 | nvz | which has nothing what so ever to do with fsck |
| 22:15.36 | coll | or is it for exactly matching a 100k file |
| 22:15.37 | cast | drusscol: toast ~/ |
| 22:15.39 | daxxar | Triffid_Hunter, good idea :) |
| 22:15.42 | coll | 100kb rather |
| 22:15.50 | Molisk | when i boot my newlyinstalled debian sarge i get fsck failed. Please repair manually |
| 22:16.12 | furrywolf | drusscol: easier said than done |
| 22:16.15 | jakel | is best? |
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| 22:16.27 | Molisk | and when i do that it says it can't cause the hda2 has writing permissions |
| 22:16.35 | drusscol | yeah... I mean, I can nuke ~ and /etc and reinstall anything, but is there a better way? |
| 22:16.47 | cast | theres nothing personal in /etc is there? |
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| 22:16.55 | Eddie | !rules |
| 22:16.55 | dpkg | rules is, like, 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
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| 22:16.57 | furrywolf | ppp passwords, etc... |
| 22:16.57 | Molisk | nvz: no i don't want to know how to divide 20gb between my partition scheme... |
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| 22:18.16 | nvz | 17:55 < Molisk> i have 20gb partition for everything exept /home , /backup , /backup2 17:56 < Molisk> ke6isf : can you recommend any good partition table? |
| 22:18.21 | nvz | thats where I started listening |
| 22:18.23 | drusscol | yeah, and samba passwords, ssh keys, etc. |
| 22:18.28 | nvz | sounds to me like you are partitioning |
| 22:18.43 | Molisk | nvz: i just want some help to get my fsck problem solved... |
| 22:18.45 | cast | we have different definitions of personal perhaps :\ |
| 22:18.55 | nvz | Molisk: this is why you cannot sit in here for hours and expect everyone even those who just came, to know what your fsck problem is |
| 22:18.57 | cast | drusscol: whats the box going to be used for? giving it to someone else? |
| 22:19.03 | drusscol | yeah, planning on selling it |
| 22:19.03 | pmitros | Suck. The source calls /usr/src/toolchain/scripts/tpkg-binutils-rm-common-files which is not in oldstable.... |
| 22:19.26 | drusscol | but it's an SGI Indy for which I don't have a monitor, so it would be a royal pain to format and reinstall |
| 22:19.27 | cast | drusscol: ahh. well, in that case, wipe the whole thing, ala shred /dev/hda |
| 22:19.31 | seth | drusscol: easiest to reinstall |
| 22:19.37 | drusscol | unless I can run the debian installer from within debian |
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| 22:20.20 | cast | drusscol: gotta be really carefull with people undeleting stuff aye, cat /dev/hda|strings|less normally yeilds quite alot of information |
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| 22:20.40 | drusscol | I mean, can I start the install process from a running debian system? |
| 22:20.53 | tosh | anyone know of a good reverse proxy for ftp (bit the size of the pound project for http) |
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| 22:21.01 | drusscol | yeah, I know, but I'm not too worried about that, nothing ridiculously personal on this box |
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| 22:24.45 | jakel | And someone to formed the ati radeon 9200 in debian sarge with xfree 4.3 |
| 22:25.24 | danowoz | I have been trying to get port 55551 forwarded through my debian proxy. I have modified the basic proxy.sh from http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm the proxy works. now I am trying to forrward port 5551 I have added these lines to the origional script iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 55551 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:55551 and iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 55551 -i $EXTIF -j ACCEPT If anyone can |
| 22:25.24 | danowoz | me some insite on how to get this to work or point me to some info on forwarding ports that is more for noobs like myself, I would appriciate it! |
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| 22:26.13 | ledet | danowoz: http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 22:26.32 | danowoz | ty |
| 22:26.36 | Triffid_Hunter | danowoz: you don't need anything in INPUT for forwarding |
| 22:26.37 | furrywolf | hrmm, laptop is happily memtest86+'ing... but the random behavior I've been getting still seems like something marginal. |
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| 22:26.58 | Triffid_Hunter | danowoz: INPUT are packets that are destined for the gateway itself, and won't be forwarded |
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| 22:27.47 | Triffid_Hunter | danowoz: generally, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 55551 -j DNAT --to-dest $INTIP:55551 is sufficient, as long as you have masquerading/snat in your postrouting too |
| 22:28.11 | Triffid_Hunter | you'll need a rule in your FORWARD chain too btw, unless its default accept |
| 22:29.01 | drusscol | is it possible to install debian over ssh or otherwise remotely? |
| 22:29.09 | dondelelcaro | drusscol: yes. |
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| 22:29.25 | dondelelcaro | drusscol: assuming you can get a console, it's quite possible. |
| 22:29.41 | dondelelcaro | a custom d-i can even make it rather trivial |
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| 22:29.52 | LeChevalierAnu | i want to install linux on debian, is it possible ? |
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| 22:30.09 | bluefox83 | ... |
| 22:30.16 | furrywolf | lol |
| 22:30.26 | LeChevalierAnu | ok, i think i'm tired |
| 22:30.27 | bluefox83 | wow, i come in and the first thing i see is the dumbest question i've ever seen in my entire life |
| 22:30.44 | bluefox83 | quotedb.pl: Added: <LeChevalierAnu> i want to install linux on debian, is it possible ?, Done. |
| 22:30.45 | LeChevalierAnu | my jokes stinks much that my feet |
| 22:31.01 | bluefox83 | ok, now for something serious |
| 22:31.09 | Guerin | bluefox83: you clearly don't spend much time in #debian if that's the dumbest question you've ever seen |
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| 22:31.14 | bluefox83 | what i try to apt-get update i get this creepy error |
| 22:31.23 | ke6isf | Man, that's like asking if you can install PC-DOS on OS/2. |
| 22:31.25 | claudio_ | LeChevalierAnu: well, in a chroot/xen environment that would be possible |
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| 22:31.34 | bluefox83 | Failed to fetch http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 22:31.35 | bluefox83 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:31.35 | bluefox83 | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead |
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| 22:31.49 | furrywolf | your mirror is broken. use another mirror. |
| 22:31.54 | Whisky_ | any ideas why my system reboots when i start eggdrop ? |
| 22:31.58 | ke6isf | bluefox83: Remove the mirror, stick another one in. |
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| 22:32.10 | bluefox83 | that's odd, concidering i used apt-spy to generate my sources.list |
| 22:32.11 | furrywolf | Whisky_: on windows? :P |
| 22:32.19 | j4cbo | i'm also getting an apt-get update error |
| 22:32.20 | Whisky_ | furrywolf: nah, Debian :p |
| 22:32.26 | furrywolf | bad ram / motherboard / etc. |
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| 22:32.41 | ke6isf | j4cbo: What are the symptoms? |
| 22:32.48 | yuacht | [R] Data Socket Error: Connection timed out <- Friend gets that while trying to upload data to a ftp account (he has a acc on the computer), i'm using proftpd... what to do= |
| 22:33.19 | furrywolf | unless you're running eggdrop as root, it shouldn't be able to reboot the system... run memtest86, if you have a p3 motherboard check the caps, try a kernel compile and see if sig11s, etc. :P |
| 22:33.28 | j4cbo | W: GPG error: http://debian.lcs.mit.edu unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 22:33.31 | scarynetworkguy | yuacht: Is your freind behind a firewall? |
| 22:33.32 | Whisky_ | -_- |
| 22:33.37 | danowoz | Hunter, my forward chain is iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
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| 22:33.42 | ke6isf | Whee, unstable! |
| 22:33.54 | j4cbo | isn't sid great? |
| 22:34.20 | j4cbo | invalid signature kinda scares me |
| 22:34.34 | ke6isf | j4cbo: What errors are popping up in /var/log? |
| 22:34.57 | Triffid_Hunter | danowoz: er wteh.. that shouldn't work.. |
| 22:35.31 | j4cbo | ke6isf: nothing in syslog or messages |
| 22:35.34 | danowoz | cause it only accepts established? |
| 22:35.48 | bluefox83 | ok, i swapped out my sources.list and i still get the same error |
| 22:35.50 | ke6isf | j4cbo: Issue on client end, most likely. |
| 22:36.01 | j4cbo | meaning? |
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| 22:36.50 | ke6isf | j4cbo: Like another user suggested (scarynetworkguy), could be a firewall issue. |
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| 22:37.30 | j4cbo | er, scarynetworkguy was talking to yuacht |
| 22:37.33 | scarynetworkguy | ke6isf: I did *not* say it was a firewall issues and it was yuacht and never ever ever call me a "user". |
| 22:37.51 | ke6isf | scarynetworkguy: My bad. |
| 22:38.07 | scarynetworkguy | ke6isf: Indeed. But you can admit it so you get to live. |
| 22:38.18 | yuacht | scarynetworkguy, why aren't you a "user"? :P |
| 22:38.19 | ke6isf | scarynetworkguy: You're too kind. =^^= |
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| 22:38.36 | ke6isf | j4cbo: At any rate, could be a firewall issue. |
| 22:38.38 | scarynetworkguy | ke6isf: That I am. :) |
| 22:38.43 | Morti | scarynetworkguy: Do you use things? ;) |
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| 22:39.11 | j4cbo | how would a bad firewall cause gpg signature validation problems? |
| 22:39.38 | scarynetworkguy | j4cbo: He still thinks that you are yuacht. |
| 22:39.47 | ke6isf | scarynetworkguy: Um, no.... |
| 22:40.01 | ke6isf | scarynetworkguy: um, yes... I need coffee, crap. |
| 22:40.18 | scarynetworkguy | :bofhsmite ke6isf. |
| 22:40.27 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite ke6isf |
| 22:40.37 | j4cbo | nice |
| 22:40.37 | bricecube | there is no apache-ssl in sarge? |
| 22:40.46 | ke6isf | man, I deserve that. |
| 22:40.53 | ke6isf | !bofhsmite self |
| 22:41.03 | ke6isf | !bofhsmite ke6isf |
| 22:41.12 | bricecube | is there a way to have an apache2 server running in ssl mode seperate from the main apache2 server (as Woody did it w/ apache 1.3.26 ) ? |
| 22:41.15 | scarynetworkguy | ke6isf: Play with the bot in msg. Please. |
| 22:41.34 | j4cbo | oh interesting, i just tried update again and it worked |
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| 22:42.01 | danowoz | hunter, is there somewhere I can post my proxy.sh for you to look at? |
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| 22:46.01 | luulis_ | has anyone got 3d-stuff working with wine > 20050310 (with libwine-gl) ? |
| 22:46.04 | furrywolf | the laptop is happily memtest86'ing. blah. I was hoping whatever was marginal would be the ram, as that's easy to replace. :P |
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| 22:46.44 | FieldySnuts | @lart wine |
| 22:46.46 | nvz | nope, its usually the HD |
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| 22:47.26 | furrywolf | nvz: that to me, or someone else? |
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| 22:48.22 | metaperl | all the sound programs bundled with KDE are making false complaints about /dev/dsp being tied up. Can anyone recommend a prog to record my voice from a mic and then play it back and save? |
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| 22:49.01 | nvz | I know someone who has a PIII 500MHZ w/ 128MB ram and runs KDE w/ Debian 3.1 and it goes really really slow sometimes.. seemed to me like it happened worse when doing something with a database, like rhythmbox, or dpkg operations..etc I replaced his 5400 RPM HD with a 7200RPM and put windows on the 5400.. but its still kinda slow.. I've had machines with less than half that hardware that ran better.. he's even got DMA and UATA cables.. so I dont |
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| 22:50.04 | nvz | metaperl: sox and audacity are the first things that come to my mind |
| 22:50.17 | metaperl | nvz: thanks! |
| 22:50.31 | shingouz | nvz: KDE on 128M? isn't that reason enough already? |
| 22:51.02 | nvz | metaperl: sox being an all purpose command-line audio tool.. and audacity is a multi-track audio recorder/editor which has a GTK based UI |
| 22:51.08 | furrywolf | hrmm, now getting pci irq routing errors... |
| 22:51.09 | randomity | I've run KDE on 128M and it was usable, especially if you turn off some of the eye candy |
| 22:51.21 | shingouz | yea. like KDE |
| 22:51.29 | nvz | randomity: what kind of eyecandy? |
| 22:51.30 | j4cbo | perl's segfaulting |
| 22:51.37 | nvz | I guess you can do this stuff from kcontrol? |
| 22:52.00 | randomity | Turn of semi-transparent anything for a start |
| 22:52.01 | j4cbo | Had to create DBI::_dbistate unexpectedly at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/DynaLoader.pm line 245 |
| 22:52.04 | j4cbo | Segmentation fault |
| 22:52.30 | nvz | it really seems like the HD is the bottleneck in the system.. as its only super slow when its reading the hd.. though I guess it could be the ram holding up the read/write operations |
| 22:52.50 | randomity | nvz: what fs are you using? |
| 22:53.06 | nvz | randomity: ext3 I think he has on there. |
| 22:53.45 | randomity | Same here, and mine is a P3 450Mhx |
| 22:54.36 | nvz | yeah, I for a long time ran on 200mhz P1s with 128MB or less.. but I havent used KDE in like 5 years or more.. I dont need all that crap anymore.. I can do most everything in screen |
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| 22:54.38 | drac | megahypex |
| 22:54.59 | nvz | just seems like when I install debian for other people it doesnt work as well for them as it does for me.. heh |
| 22:55.13 | randomity | nvz: best low-end window manager ever: ion2. Ever used it? |
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| 22:55.38 | coll | is -9 in kill for force or for is it a synonym for -HUP? |
| 22:55.44 | nvz | randomity: yeah I like ion, but my favorite of all time is still sawfish.. I wish it wasnt being left for dead. |
| 22:55.45 | FieldySnuts | force |
| 22:55.46 | Paavo | nvz: are you sure DMA is on? |
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| 22:56.05 | coll | FieldySnuts: thanks, just checking. |
| 22:56.06 | nvz | Paavo: it says DMA for both HDs and the CDRW in the dmesg |
| 22:56.14 | randomity | coll: 9 is the number of the KILL signal, so -9 == -KILL |
| 22:56.26 | coll | yep |
| 22:56.29 | nvz | Paavo: only says PIO for the one that has no drive on it |
| 22:56.34 | TNKS | hi all. I was looking at the kernel options, and I noticed that there's a lot of crypto support out there. What kind of applications take advantage or require the crypto APIs? |
| 22:56.37 | Paavo | nvz: and does hdparm -d /dev/hd<whatever> also say that DMA is on? |
| 22:56.43 | randomity | nvz: never used sawfish |
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| 22:57.06 | nvz | Paavo: I don't know, never tried it |
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| 22:57.30 | geordie | nvz: ever use ratpoison? it's a lot like screen |
| 22:57.39 | Paavo | nvz: The kernel can deactivate DMA on its own if errors occur. |
| 22:57.50 | FieldySnuts | dmesg | grep -i dma |
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| 22:57.59 | TNKS | I would have thought that cryptography could have been handled in user-space? When is it required in kernel-space? |
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| 22:58.05 | nvz | randomity: I like it because I can easily create whatever interface suits my current needs. sawfish-ui is really easy to use, I can grab up windows and match window commands for them, or easily enter in context based keybindings..etc |
| 22:58.35 | emRick | how do I load the "ide-scsi" module? |
| 22:58.42 | nvz | geordie: I dont use a wm for it being like screen. if I want a wm I want one that makes things easier to clicky clicky, like sawfish and its companion sawfish-ui does |
| 22:58.56 | randomity | TNKS: kernel-space can keep your keys private. In user-space, anything running with root privs can access any part of memory and read the keys |
| 22:58.58 | nvz | geordie: if I wanted something screen-like I would just use screen and not run X at all |
| 22:59.00 | FieldySnuts | !start a wm war |
| 22:59.00 | dpkg | twm makes me vomit! |
| 22:59.47 | randomity | I always thought that the tiling/tabbing feature of ion2 was very cool. Never any wasted screen space |
| 22:59.49 | Kylixen | KDE IS THE POO OF GNOME |
| 22:59.56 | nvz | randomity: havent found any other WM that can compare to those features yet.. and the ones that come close, cannot be done as easily. |
| 23:00.07 | Kylixen | Which is the pool of genetic material that flux left running down the crack of her ass, naturally. |
| 23:00.08 | nvz | KDE and GNOME are POO |
| 23:00.14 | FieldySnuts | kde and gnome both annoy me because of their resource needs, talk about unreasonable, and they don't run very speedily either |
| 23:00.41 | randomity | nvz: No, KDE and GNOME are quite useful if you have a fairly decent computer |
| 23:00.47 | holycow | what are you talking about FieldySnuts ? |
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| 23:00.56 | holycow | i can get gnome to boot in 48 megs of ram |
| 23:00.57 | nvz | ever since GNOME took on megashitty instead of sawfish, I gave up hope that it was ever getting any better |
| 23:01.05 | holycow | please know what your talking about before you open your trap |
| 23:01.18 | FieldySnuts | holycow: shut your mouth, kid. I didn't say you can talk to me. |
| 23:01.31 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi!! |
| 23:01.34 | randomity | OOh, a real flamewar |
| 23:01.50 | holycow | pissed off a guy on irc with the word 'nuts' in it |
| 23:01.52 | dystopian | they are both *desktops* as opposed to being simple *window managers*. they throw in the kitchen sink that everyone may not want or need. but they do fill a need for *some*. |
| 23:01.54 | Phated | FieldySnuts: 'ello, sweetie. I sleep, and you start battles. |
| 23:01.55 | holycow | lol :) way too easy |
| 23:02.03 | nvz | megashitty isnt half the wm sawfish could be if someone updated it a little to comply with modern standards |
| 23:02.07 | FieldySnuts | Phated: i was told to shut my trap, hehe. |
| 23:02.15 | Phated | FieldySnuts: sO i SEE. |
| 23:02.19 | nvz | updated (read completly rewrote it) |
| 23:02.32 | j4cbo | i dunno, i prefer aqua for desktop use ;) |
| 23:02.36 | Kylixen | holycow goes down on dead pigeons. I have pictures. |
| 23:02.41 | Kylixen | It's kind of disturbing. |
| 23:02.42 | furrywolf | hrmm. the debian pcmcia script is doing something stupid... looks like it's loading the wrong modules are doing bad things. :) |
| 23:02.46 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Heh. Still not awake yet. |
| 23:02.50 | randomity | nvz: Welcome to the wonderful world of Open Source Software. Why don't you update sawfish? ;-) |
| 23:02.53 | nvz | though thats happened before, and they keep calling it something else.. heh and loosing all the good aspects |
| 23:03.12 | tarzeau | j4cbo: it can be so dead slow. ever worked with OPENSTEP ? |
| 23:03.14 | FieldySnuts | i tend to use xfce 4 these days |
| 23:03.16 | holycow | Kylixen, leave your mom out of this |
| 23:03.19 | TNKS | randomity, that's a good point. What kind of applications require crypto kernel support? |
| 23:03.24 | Kylixen | holycow: I haven't a choice, she's dead. |
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| 23:03.27 | Kylixen | Cock. |
| 23:03.31 | FieldySnuts | though it's beginning to get bloated. |
| 23:03.37 | FieldySnuts | Kylixen: holycow is a troll, just use ignore, I did |
| 23:03.48 | nvz | randomity: if I could code I would.. I havent programmed since I was a kid.. and though I made all kinds of things then.. its hardly what people today would call programming.. Apple II machine code, prodos, dos 3.3, various BASICs..etc |
| 23:03.55 | j4cbo | tarzeau: surprisingly enough my 400mhz g4 pbook runs tiger quite nicely |
| 23:03.56 | TNKS | or what apps are in positions to take advantage of the crypto API? |
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| 23:04.17 | tarzeau | j4cbo: you probably have too much memory |
| 23:04.21 | j4cbo | 1gb :) |
| 23:04.32 | tarzeau | j4cbo: what apps do you use? |
| 23:04.58 | randomity | TNKS: well, a very important part of cryptography is random number generation, which the kernel handles because only it has access to the semi-random hardware interrupts. It provides two files, /dev/random and /dev/urandom which many applications acces to get secure random numbers |
| 23:05.02 | Kylixen | FieldySnuts: It's fun to feed/beat/acknowledge your superiority/beat/feed them in repetition |
| 23:05.13 | FieldySnuts | Kylixen: lost me there |
| 23:05.19 | hax | what's the right netinst package to get these days? |
| 23:05.20 | Kylixen | FieldySnuts: The trolls. |
| 23:05.24 | FieldySnuts | k |
| 23:05.52 | dystopian | hax: sarge/stable 3.1 |
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| 23:06.05 | j4cbo | tarzeau: currently running i have safari, firefox, colloquy, mail, itunes, terminal, x11, textedit, and activity monitor |
| 23:06.16 | FieldySnuts | !medal j4cbo |
| 23:06.27 | tarzeau | j4cbo: cool you use textedit. does chess work remotely? |
| 23:06.34 | randomity | nvz: anyway, can't you rig up gnome to use sawfish? I think ther is some config file somewhere |
| 23:06.42 | tarzeau | j4cbo: and what's colloquy? and have you heard/tried of gnustep? |
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| 23:06.52 | hax | dystopian: is that also known as 31r0a? |
| 23:07.02 | dystopian | yes. |
| 23:07.13 | j4cbo | tarzeau: colloquy is a massively bloated but very nice irc client |
| 23:07.25 | j4cbo | i tried gnustep but i prefer kde when i'm on linux |
| 23:07.47 | j4cbo | osx laptop, debian desktop |
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| 23:08.06 | TNKS | randomity, does /dev/random have anything to do with all the crypto options (MD4, MD5, SHA1, etc.)? How does one choose between all these algorithms? |
| 23:08.13 | tarzeau | j4cbo: i asked, cause if you develop software using cocoa, you can do neat tricks with gnustep |
| 23:08.19 | FieldySnuts | aye! |
| 23:08.43 | FieldySnuts | help help, i'm bein repressed! |
| 23:08.51 | FieldySnuts | come and see the violence inherent in the system |
| 23:09.00 | j4cbo | haven't done any cocoa, most of my coding is javascript/ajax stuff |
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| 23:09.24 | Atula | is there a way to delete "non-empty" folder? |
| 23:09.26 | randomity | TNKS: /dev/random is a source of secure (read: unguessable) random numbers. They have nothing to do with MD5, SHA, etc. I think there are system calls to use hash algorithms, i.e. function calls in C. |
| 23:09.33 | Atula | it keeps on saying that the folder is not empty.... |
| 23:09.41 | Atula | rmdir -f dir? |
| 23:09.42 | j4cbo | Atula: rm -r folder |
| 23:09.45 | Atula | thanks |
| 23:09.45 | furrywolf | grr. if I boot into single-user mode and do /etc/init.d/pcmcia start, it works. if I let it boot normally, it dies loading the pcic module. |
| 23:09.52 | nvz | randomity: you can do it, but gnome no longer likes sawfish.. its themes will not comply as well as many many other things.. sawfish is very old anymore.. a lot of modern programs behave badly around it |
| 23:09.53 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Shush, you. |
| 23:09.56 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 23:10.25 | randomity | nvz: I wonder what gnome would be like under ion2? :-) |
| 23:10.42 | simonrvn | furrywolf: may i /msg you? |
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| 23:10.56 | nvz | randomity: OO.o, amarok..etc these newer programs when they want to do a pull-down menu or a pop-up type thing, sawfish renders it as a frameless window that you cannot get rid of.. when the program simply meant for it to pop-up and then go away when you released the click |
| 23:10.59 | randomity | nvz: I've heard of a lot of people not liking megacity and using kwin instead |
| 23:11.18 | luulis_ | has anyone got 3d-stuff working with wine > 20050310 (with libwine-gl) ? |
| 23:11.18 | FieldySnuts | heh megacity |
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| 23:11.58 | nvz | I call it megashitty |
| 23:12.00 | furrywolf | simonrvn: of course |
| 23:12.08 | FieldySnuts | it's appropriate |
| 23:12.19 | randomity | lol |
| 23:12.30 | nvz | its actually callesd metacity btw |
| 23:12.36 | dystopian | why the disdain of "metacity"? |
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| 23:12.37 | FieldySnuts | i know |
| 23:12.46 | FieldySnuts | !date metacity |
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| 23:13.29 | pureone | bots && |
| 23:13.29 | FieldySnuts | @ops clones/floods |
| 23:13.29 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: clones/floods |
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| 23:13.34 | nvz | luulis_: why not ask in #wine instead of directly annoying #debian with repeating the same thing over and over, when its clear nobody uses it |
| 23:13.54 | nvz | FieldySnuts: debhelper is an eggdrop bot, it can handle clones :P |
| 23:13.56 | pureone | idiots been doing that in #bash today |
| 23:13.58 | yoh | Hi Debian People. Can anyone point me on how to setup sources.list (may be apt_preferences as well) so I have main and backup apt sources, so if main fails, then I get pacckages from backup? |
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| 23:14.13 | nvz | FieldySnuts: at least stupid ones like that |
| 23:14.22 | caphuso | a single IP? why does that moron even bother? |
| 23:14.24 | yoh | the problem is that my main (mirror) is down at the moment so I need to swtich to another mirror... I want to have that working automatically |
| 23:14.26 | shingouz | yoh: apt-setup |
| 23:14.33 | pureone | yoh man apt-setup |
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| 23:14.35 | gravity | yoh: You can put multiple sources in a sources.list. |
| 23:14.37 | dystopian | but for real, is there a short answer for why metacity is looked down on? |
| 23:14.46 | nvz | caphuso: seriously.. didnt even fool debhelper |
| 23:14.46 | gravity | yoh: It should just work the way you want it to then |
| 23:14.49 | luulis_ | nvz: well I could do that but decided to ask #debian few times before it because I guess people in #winehq would tell to use winehq's packages and I'd prefer using debian's .. |
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| 23:14.54 | hax | i really need to get on this 'install' debian thing |
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| 23:15.20 | yoh | hm - Great- Thanx ! I will check it! |
| 23:15.31 | simonrvn | pureone: been doing that in all sorts of channels |
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| 23:18.00 | nvz | luulis_: good point.. upstream help usually gets annoyed by distros like debian not having their latest code |
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| 23:18.38 | chealer | !sarge++ |
| 23:18.59 | nvz | luulis_: I got into an unwanted argument with #kde about a bug in konqueror they fixed already.. I just wanted to know what package was responsible for the problem, they just wanted me to upgrade to KDE 3.4 which isnt in debian or packaged for debian unofficially anywhere |
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| 23:19.25 | kyu | Simple answer: Don't use kde ;) |
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| 23:19.36 | chealer | nvz: that's not really right anymore though (KDE 3.4) |
| 23:19.46 | nvz | _I_ do not use KDE.. thats why the argument developed.. someone I installed debian for uses KDE. |
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| 23:19.57 | j4cbo | perl dbi autoloader is having problems in sid |
| 23:20.00 | j4cbo | causing segfaults |
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| 23:20.05 | nvz | KDE in debian has a very nasty bug.. more specifically knoqueror |
| 23:20.08 | FieldySnuts | !sidsmite j4cbo |
| 23:20.12 | revenger | hmm I diffed 2 directories and the output which got piped into a file starts with diff cinergydrv/em2800.h template/em2800.h, so far so good now how can I apply that patch in the current directory of cinergydrv? |
| 23:20.42 | revenger | stripping the directory name using patch -p1 or so doesn't work at all |
| 23:20.42 | kyu | Just curious, but why did you decide on kde over gnome for this person? Gnome is much better |
| 23:20.47 | dystopian | what does the bug do nvz? |
| 23:20.52 | nvz | if you view any removable media with konqueror CD, Floppy, USB Flashdrive..etc it will not let you unmount it because it continually finds ways to keep it in use even after you've closed konqueror |
| 23:20.53 | FieldySnuts | better is objective.... |
| 23:21.07 | chealer | nvz: what kind of bugs? of course, I'm not trying to deny the hundred or so bugs in the BTS |
| 23:21.08 | randomity | kyu: now you're stepping into real flamewar territory... |
| 23:21.10 | FieldySnuts | nvz: yeah that's fricking irritating, have to kill off kdeinit (which kills kde) |
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| 23:21.19 | kyu | Well last time i checked you didn't need 3gb of disk space to compile it ;) |
| 23:21.19 | dystopian | yeah, that is a nasty bug. |
| 23:21.34 | j4cbo | FieldySnuts: so i just have to wait for perl to be rebuilt for gcc4? |
| 23:21.34 | nvz | I didnt report it, because the KDE maintainer wont likely fix it anyhow, since its been fixed already upstream.. the bug will likely exist in sarge indefinatly |
| 23:21.35 | chealer | nvz: that's a bug worth forking #debian-kde. so it's fixed in 3.4? |
| 23:21.45 | FieldySnuts | j4cbo: i have no idea, you're using sid, yer on yer own |
| 23:22.05 | dystopian | nvz: wow, that is kinda crappy. |
| 23:22.22 | nvz | chealer: the bug has been fixed upstream. I didnt report it to the debian BTS because I figure they would just wait for the new packages to be made, and not bother fixing such a burried problem |
| 23:22.30 | Wyzard | j4cbo: The GCC 4 thing only affects C++ |
| 23:22.39 | j4cbo | i |
| 23:22.43 | j4cbo | erk |
| 23:22.44 | chealer | nvz: don't worry, it's *already reported* |
| 23:22.49 | nvz | chealer: what pisses me off is the fact that things like this get released in debian stable. |
| 23:22.59 | chealer | nvz: it's great if they say it's fixed :) |
| 23:23.00 | nvz | chealer: and will indefinatly haunt the stable distro forever |
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| 23:23.19 | chealer | nvz: yep, it's an important bug...important bugs are...important |
| 23:23.28 | j4cbo | i'm assuming something there uses c++, then... the first error i see comes from AutoLoader.pm |
| 23:23.33 | nvz | I consider KDE to be in and of itself what debian policy outlines as an RC bug, and should be removed during the freezing process |
| 23:23.36 | chealer | nvz: however, I guess this is the worst bug in KDE (in debian at least) |
| 23:23.43 | dystopian | nvz, yeah that is irritating. seems like a bug like that would be dealt with. can't even unmount usb drives etc. that is lame. |
| 23:23.44 | j4cbo | which sounds a bit low-level-ish |
| 23:23.54 | randomity | Debian stable always seemed like the most bugfree system of all. Lower version numbers than preferable, but still stable. Why all the screwups in sarge |
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| 23:24.19 | chealer | randomity: all the screwups in sarge? |
| 23:24.30 | thingfish | I love my sarge. |
| 23:24.39 | nvz | there are countless seriously fucking ignorant bugs in sarge, that may never be fixed. pisses me off that the reason we put up with all the shit we do is to iron out a stable distro.. then we avoid adding new shit to keep it stable.. and we are no longer even making a stable distro |
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| 23:24.45 | randomity | Circular dependancies, this kde stuff, etc |
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| 23:25.24 | caphuso | nvz: is it actually a kde problem or is that the fam bug? |
| 23:25.36 | nvz | caphuso: I removed fam and it still happened |
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| 23:25.38 | chealer | circular dependencies will be tackled. the packaging system is still improving... |
| 23:25.59 | chealer | it happens without fam, although fam doesn't help |
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| 23:26.06 | dystopian | yeah, that was what I was thinking caphuso. is this just kde 3.4 or only happening in the sarge release of kde |
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| 23:26.28 | caphuso | nvz: what's the bug number? |
| 23:26.31 | randomity | The debian package system is already the best. Still though, when you spent 3 years getting a new stable release you can at least check for this stuff |
| 23:26.54 | chealer | caphuso: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=252571 |
| 23:27.04 | acurax | what disk is for us install? |
| 23:27.06 | chealer | the severity is normal but it really should be important |
| 23:27.13 | acurax | and do i need all 7 disks? |
| 23:27.16 | nvz | caphuso: not sure. chealer is the one said its actually in our BTS.. I didnt see it there.. the #kde people sent me to a kde.org link that had it discribed as solved in KDE 3.4 |
| 23:27.32 | dystopian | acurax, you don't need them all if you do a net install |
| 23:27.39 | Wyzard | hmm... udev in sid today has a NEWS item which says "kernels older than 2.6.12 are not supported anymore"... this is different from the previous warning that said "not fully supported" |
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| 23:27.47 | acurax | i dont want a net install |
| 23:27.52 | chealer | the bad thing is that that bug isn't entirely reproducible and happens in a number of contexts |
| 23:27.58 | acurax | i just want a desktop |
| 23:28.03 | Doughnuts | Does anyone X with the dvorak keymap? |
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| 23:28.14 | acurax | does the disk for us install come with that? |
| 23:28.26 | Wyzard | acurax: netinstall just means the installer downloads packages as-needed so you don't have to download all the CDs |
| 23:28.29 | chealer | Wyzard: you saw its RC bug? |
| 23:28.31 | acurax | I KNOW |
| 23:28.32 | randomity | Ah, the joys of debian stable dics. SuSE discs will be out of date in a couple of months, but Debian! You could pass your debian discs on to your grandchildren :-) |
| 23:28.35 | Wyzard | acurax: doesn't prevent you from setting up a desktop system |
| 23:28.36 | acurax | i have a wlna |
| 23:28.42 | acurax | wlan |
| 23:28.43 | acurax | ;\ |
| 23:28.48 | Wyzard | acurax: ah, ok |
| 23:28.55 | acurax | and i was told i couldn't doit |
| 23:29.10 | dystopian | acurax, a net install simply means that you pull the programs for install off the net. |
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| 23:29.22 | Wyzard | acurax: I'd suggest either plugging in a cable and doing a netinst, or downloading disc 1 to get a basic system, and the installing whatever wlan drivers you need |
| 23:29.31 | acurax | ok |
| 23:29.37 | acurax | so disk 1 is us install? |
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| 23:29.47 | dystopian | if you can't do that then the number of disks you use really depends on how many programs you install besides your desktop environment. |
| 23:29.47 | Wyzard | acurax: You don't need to get all 7 disks unless your machine will *never* be online |
| 23:29.55 | Wyzard | acurax: I'm not sure what you mean by "US install" |
| 23:29.59 | kyu | us enstall? whatever do you mean? |
| 23:30.02 | acurax | some disks say non-us |
| 23:30.09 | acurax | like the o,ld debian 3.or4 |
| 23:30.17 | acurax | 3.0r4* |
| 23:30.18 | nvz | chealer: the bug from my experiences is easily reproducable. you mount any removable media, and view it with konqueror, close knoqueror, and try unmount it.. it will not unmount.. its in use by fam, if you purge fam, its in use by kdeinit. |
| 23:30.23 | acurax | so disk1 is basic? |
| 23:30.25 | randomity | Wyzard: 7 disks are useful if you're on dialup |
| 23:30.25 | Wyzard | acurax: non-US was the section for crypto software that couldn't be exported from the US, but that distinction doesn't exist anymore |
| 23:30.27 | acurax | whats one disk 2? |
| 23:30.34 | acurax | ah ok |
| 23:30.39 | kyu | That's just some crypto stuff isn't it? |
| 23:30.44 | j4cbo | it's by how often the packeges are used |
| 23:30.47 | dystopian | acurax, no, you need 3.1 for the latest stable release. |
| 23:30.49 | acurax | is bitorrent faster then the http? |
| 23:30.52 | kyu | Woah i'm lagging |
| 23:30.54 | kyu | :) |
| 23:30.54 | Wyzard | acurax: Packages are arranged on the CDs in approximate reverse order of "popularity", so the most-commonly-used stuff is on disc 1 and the least-commonly-used stuff is on disc 7 |
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| 23:31.05 | acurax | AH OK |
| 23:31.06 | j4cbo | stuff everyone needs is on disc 1 but you might want something on 7 |
| 23:31.09 | chealer | nvz: yes, it's still easily reproducible. if a maintainer would care about it, it certainly would have been fixed. |
| 23:31.12 | acurax | in the 3.1 is ndiswrapper included? |
| 23:31.16 | randomity | acurax: yes, depending on the popularity of the torrent |
| 23:31.18 | acurax | or do i have to get it? |
| 23:31.27 | Wyzard | acurax: ndiswrapper is available in Debian, but I don't know what CD it's on |
| 23:31.32 | acurax | oh.. |
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| 23:31.43 | acurax | are the kernel sources on disk1 so i can compile ndiswrapper? |
| 23:31.51 | Wyzard | acurax: I'd install from disc 1, then go to packages.debian.org and download the ndiswrapper deb |
| 23:32.03 | acurax | ok |
| 23:32.38 | acurax | this is guaranteed to work? |
| 23:32.42 | Wyzard | acurax: You need two packages: ndiswrapper itself, and the appropriate ndiswrapper-modules package for your kernel (plus any dependencies, so there shouldn't be too many) |
| 23:32.48 | kyu | I've used my printer like twice since i got it |
| 23:32.50 | chealer | acurax: I would guess that you wouldn't need the kernel sources for compiling ndiswrapper |
| 23:32.51 | kyu | Once to test it, heh |
| 23:32.55 | kyu | No use for it.... |
| 23:33.01 | dystopian | nothing in life is guaranteed |
| 23:33.09 | acurax | so can anyone help me with dependencies? |
| 23:33.23 | Wyzard | acurax: You don't need to compile ndiswrapper yourself unless you compile a custom kernel |
| 23:33.26 | bricecube | When I add packages such as php-mysql or php-gd their support does NOT get built into PHP.. any ideas ? |
| 23:33.41 | acurax | o ok |
| 23:33.48 | Wyzard | acurax: The package listings on packages.debian.org have links to the dependencies, so you can easily follow them to get what you need |
| 23:33.56 | dystopian | acurax, will you not have any access to the net with the computer you are installing debian on? |
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| 23:34.05 | acurax | no |
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| 23:34.11 | Wyzard | dystopian: Not until after Debian is installed and ndiswrapper is set up |
| 23:34.31 | Wyzard | acurax: You do have Internet access once you get your wireless working, right? |
| 23:34.37 | acurax | yes |
| 23:34.39 | Wyzard | ok |
| 23:34.45 | acurax | why? |
| 23:34.50 | acurax | do you want me to come back? |
| 23:34.55 | Wyzard | Well, if you didn't, I'd recommend downloading all the CDs |
| 23:35.01 | dystopian | then why not just grab as many of the install disks you can and just use cd source.list? |
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| 23:35.12 | Wyzard | But since you do, you only need to download enough CD to get the system installed and able to use ndiswrapper |
| 23:35.22 | acurax | ok |
| 23:35.27 | acurax | does disk 1 have X on it? |
| 23:35.36 | Wyzard | You *can* download more CDs if you want, of course, but that takes time and wastes bandwidth |
| 23:35.55 | pmitros | Fuckin' eh. debian/rules forgot to make a .deb but didn't issue any errors. |
| 23:36.10 | dystopian | that would be the easiest way. I grabbed like all 14 and installed on a laptop with no internet access and had no problem. some of the programs I installed reached all the way for disk 9. but I had it so no big deal with dependencies. |
| 23:36.14 | pmitros | Oh. My bad. |
| 23:36.26 | Wyzard | acurax: I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't... X is considered optional by many users |
| 23:36.34 | acurax | ok |
| 23:36.35 | chealer | Wyzard: when you find that, tell me |
| 23:36.56 | Wyzard | chealer: I'm not looking, just wondering out loud |
| 23:37.07 | acurax | so ill have to apt-get X |
| 23:37.09 | acurax | lol |
| 23:37.13 | Wyzard | chealer: I run sid and download my packages, so I don't have much incentive to search :-) |
| 23:37.21 | acurax | would it be apt-get x? |
| 23:37.32 | dystopian | one could even buy a set off the net for cheap. with proceeds contributing to debian. |
| 23:37.37 | Wyzard | acurax: "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" once you have your wlan working |
| 23:37.42 | kyu | X is on disc 1 |
| 23:37.44 | Wyzard | acurax: or KDE if you prefer, or whatever |
| 23:37.47 | chealer | Wyzard: similar for me, but that would help with questions of that type |
| 23:37.48 | acurax | ok |
| 23:38.08 | acurax | what kernel comes with debian3.1? |
| 23:38.20 | Wyzard | acurax: X itself is in the packages "x-window-system" and "x-window-system-core", with the former including some additional stuff that you probably don't need, and the latter being just the essentials |
| 23:38.28 | Wyzard | acurax: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 23:38.39 | kyu | You know acurax , all this info is on the website.... |
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| 23:38.43 | Wyzard | acurax: 2.4 is used by default; if you want 2.6, type "linux26" at the install CD's boot prompt |
| 23:38.50 | dystopian | thank you Kyu |
| 23:38.54 | acurax | ah ok |
| 23:38.54 | Wyzard | acurax: (Or you can just upgrade after you install, if you prefer) |
| 23:39.07 | acurax | well i dont know how to install ndiswrapper... |
| 23:39.08 | gravity | I really should make an 'x' metapackage :-p |
| 23:39.32 | aurax | hello |
| 23:39.48 | acurax | so i need the utils package and the modules ? |
| 23:39.51 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 23:39.54 | Wyzard | acurax: yes |
| 23:40.03 | acurax | ok |
| 23:40.19 | acurax | so how do i download from the debian packages site? |
| 23:40.34 | acurax | what 2.6 kernel is with 3.1? |
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| 23:40.39 | Wyzard | acurax: Browse for the package you want, and toward the bottom there's a download link |
| 23:40.40 | acurax | 2.6.8? |
| 23:40.45 | Wyzard | acurax: 2.6.8... I just told you that a minute ago |
| 23:40.53 | dystopian | dangit they just told you. 2.6.8 |
| 23:40.55 | acurax | ah ok |
| 23:40.56 | acurax | sorry |
| 23:40.56 | MastrYoda | I'm running sid...and udev/gcc/cpp are updated like every couple days...why are they updated so much? |
| 23:41.03 | MastrYoda | There is no problem or anything I'm just curious. |
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| 23:41.18 | Wyzard | MastrYoda: Becuase GCC is in the middle of a transition to 4.0, and udev is undergoing some changes too |
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| 23:41.28 | Wyzard | MastrYoda: It's said that udev is currently broken in sid, btw |
| 23:41.29 | dystopian | because Sid is the development branch and is *unstable* |
| 23:41.41 | chealer | MastrYoda: if you think that and it annoys you, you should use another release |
| 23:41.53 | ZcE | is there a way to install debian, instead from a cdrom, from a folder in my fat32 partition (like D:\DebianCD)? ive done that with slackware (before the installation, there was a shell in the bootdisk where i could mount the fat32 and on the setup, i could specify the source path) |
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| 23:42.12 | MastrYoda | chealer: I said there was no problem. |
| 23:42.13 | nvz | chealer: the way I think of it.. is its probably a deeply implanted bug, and its fixed upstream.. with that in mind, and the fact that the KDE maintainer(s) are probably busy working on packaging upstream anyhow.. they are not likely to work on a fix for it.. and even if they did, its not a security problem, so its technically against debian policy to fix such an error anyhow.. proceedure is to wait for next version. |
| 23:42.14 | MastrYoda | I was just curious. |
| 23:42.30 | Wyzard | ZcE: Not if the partition you're installing from is the partition you're planning on erasing and installing onto |
| 23:42.37 | Phated | MastrYoda: Simply put, because it's sid. |
| 23:42.38 | chealer | MastrYoda: not knowing why is also an indication you're running the wrong release |
| 23:42.40 | nvz | the problem here is that too much crap was allowed to be released into stable, that policy doesnt allow to be fixed, regaurdless of who cares |
| 23:42.45 | acurax | thnx |
| 23:42.59 | Wyzard | ZcE: If the Windows partition will be untouched, then yes, it's technically possible, but I don't think it's officially supported by the installer, so you'd probably have to boot in expert mode and mount the partition by hand |
| 23:43.01 | MastrYoda | chealer: I've been running it for like 9 months |
| 23:43.03 | MastrYoda | sid is a joke |
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| 23:43.10 | MastrYoda | same as sarge except more updates |
| 23:43.13 | MastrYoda | Any idiot can run sid. |
| 23:43.16 | nvz | at least thats the way I see it.. from the outside looking in |
| 23:43.22 | Wyzard | MastrYoda: No, not really |
| 23:43.31 | ZcE | Wyzard well, i saw a "enter shell" option on the installer, but i could mount /dev/hda5, because there were no /dev/hd* |
| 23:43.35 | chealer | yeah, I suppose sid is a joke |
| 23:43.35 | MastrYoda | I don't know what I'm doing and it runs smooth/stable as could be. |
| 23:43.38 | ZcE | could = couldnt* |
| 23:43.45 | dystopian | oh gawd. listen to this MastrYoda kid. talking trash after not having a clue. |
| 23:43.49 | MastrYoda | I've never had the littlest problem. |
| 23:43.56 | Wyzard | MastrYoda: Sid is where new packages go so any big bugs can be found and fixed so they don't make it into a stable release |
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| 23:44.08 | MastrYoda | I just came in and asked why a couple packages had so much activity...and everyone jumps on me. |
| 23:44.24 | chealer | just like the package pools joke. debian shouldn't have several releases |
| 23:44.26 | Wyzard | MastrYoda: You must not run GNOME, because a month or so ago while it was transitioning to 2.10, doing a dist-upgrade carelessly could result in half of GNOME being uninstalled |
| 23:44.40 | MastrYoda | gnome is too bloated for me |
| 23:44.42 | MastrYoda | fluxbox > * |
| 23:44.55 | chealer | nvz: I certainly wouldn't expect the bug to be fixed in later revisions of sarge |
| 23:45.01 | Wyzard | MastrYoda: GCC is currently in transition from 3.3 to 4.0, which requires recompiling every C++ package in the archive |
| 23:45.15 | MastrYoda | thanks for the info Wyzard |
| 23:45.17 | MastrYoda | I appreciate it. |
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| 23:46.05 | ZcE | Wyzard just to be sure, the bootdisk i should write is DebianCD/install/boot.img and root.img right? |
| 23:46.14 | nvz | chealer: thats what pisses me off, that the hard work done on debian is to make stable.. and stable isnt even stable anymore.. and the condition of the policies we know and love, and trust to work.. are fucking us when these things happen.. we are stuck with old shit that isnt even stable, and cannot be fixed properly.. should have been removed from the archive before stable released. |
| 23:46.35 | Wyzard | ZcE: Those sound like the names of floppy-disk images |
| 23:46.37 | aurax | what known tools are working under debian that can allow access to outside users to internal network and make them access to WINS server etc and to other subnets in the internal network? |
| 23:46.53 | dystopian | chealer, I thought that technically there was only 1 release of debian, with a development/unstable branch and a testing branch that the general public can use at their own risk. |
| 23:46.56 | rbochan | furrywolf: how goes the battle? |
| 23:47.06 | Wyzard | ZcE: but if you want to use floppies, yes, those should be right |
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| 23:47.12 | chealer | MastrYoda: is warning you that you're looking for useless trouble jumping on you? it's false that udev has an upload every 2 days anyway |
| 23:47.28 | Wyzard | ZcE: There should also be some driver disks that you might need in order to get access to your hard drive |
| 23:47.32 | Wyzard | chealer: Lately it has |
| 23:47.35 | aurax | anyone ? |
| 23:47.42 | acurax | how do i apt kde? |
| 23:47.57 | nvz | fuck kde :P |
| 23:47.59 | nvz | heh |
| 23:48.00 | ZEA | is there an inteligent way to remove a package so that it removes packages it depends on, that are no longer needed by any other packages? (just to avoid having to track down every package that is installed) |
| 23:48.02 | acurax | and when im in my new system what do i type to install ndiswrapper? |
| 23:48.03 | nvz | thats what nvz thinks |
| 23:48.08 | chealer | Wyzard: well, perhaps since 2 days |
| 23:48.09 | MastrYoda | chealer: Everytime I dist-upgrade I see udev and gcc/cpp being upgraded |
| 23:48.15 | Wyzard | aurax: Your question isn't very clear on what you're trying to do |
| 23:48.21 | rbochan | ZEA: either use aptitude to install it, or install deborphan |
| 23:48.32 | Wyzard | acurax: "dpkg -i <whatever>.deb" to install a package from a .deb file |
| 23:48.53 | nvz | more like fuck debian for having kde |
| 23:48.56 | aurax | what i'm asking is what tool there is for making connections from the net to internal networks |
| 23:49.00 | ZcE | Wyzard there is cd-drivers and net-drivers.. oh, and in the installation, it asks for network configuration and tries to get packages on the internet, so i cant specify WHERE are the sources.. i got the cd-1.iso, is it ok? |
| 23:49.09 | Wyzard | aurax: Like a VPN sort of thing? |
| 23:49.12 | Wyzard | aurax: There's OpenVPN |
| 23:49.13 | gravity | aurax: ssh? |
| 23:49.27 | dystopian | telnet. |
| 23:49.29 | acurax | Wyzard: thank you for your help and im sorry for being such a pain |
| 23:49.39 | rbochan | aurax: have a perusal... http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ |
| 23:49.39 | Wyzard | ZcE: If you have all of CD 1, you don't need to install from a hard drive |
| 23:49.54 | chealer | dystopian: I'd say there are currently 4/5 releases. see http://www.debian.org/releases/index.en.html |
| 23:49.58 | aurax | hmm |
| 23:49.58 | acurax | i have ndiswrapper burned already lol |
| 23:50.06 | ZEA | rbochan: thanks :) |
| 23:50.12 | aurax | like getting an ip @ the internal net, coming part of the internal network remtoely. |
| 23:50.15 | ZcE | Wyzard i dont have a cd drive (lol) |
| 23:50.15 | aurax | after being authenticated |
| 23:50.22 | Wyzard | aurax: You'd want OpenVPN for that |
| 23:50.31 | acurax | ? |
| 23:50.32 | Wyzard | ZcE: ah, that explains a lot |
| 23:50.41 | acurax | openvn? |
| 23:50.41 | rbochan | ZEA: aptitude will keep track of dependencies and uninstall them when the main pacakge gets uninstalled, use deborphan for any klingons |
| 23:50.44 | acurax | whats that? |
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| 23:50.55 | aurax | hmm okay. |
| 23:51.01 | acurax | ah |
| 23:51.03 | acurax | nvm |
| 23:51.03 | Wyzard | acurax: That was directed at aurax, not you :-) |
| 23:51.09 | dystopian | later chealer |
| 23:51.11 | aurax | ehhe |
| 23:51.34 | ZEA | rbochan: I realize that "klingons" is a metaphor from startrek, but I didn't understand it :( |
| 23:51.43 | Wyzard | ZcE: Well, once you boot the floppies, switch to virtual terminal 2, where there's a shell, mount the hard drive, and loop-mount the iso on it |
| 23:51.54 | rbochan | ZEA: as in anything you might not have installed already via aptitude |
| 23:52.09 | ZcE | Wyzard what if there is no /dev/hda5? there are no /dev/hdX in fact |
| 23:52.21 | Wyzard | ZcE: If you mount the iso in the place where the installer would normally mount the CD then I guess the installer will use it, but I don't know about that part |
| 23:52.35 | Wyzard | ZcE: You probably need to load a driver module for your IDE controller |
| 23:52.44 | nvz | sometime before etch releases I need to get this out of my system and someone either needs to help me prove my theory wrong or I need to come up with a way to change it.. cause I really have to frown upon debian sarge and side with the idiots who whine about debian being nothing but old.. cause its certainly not stable |
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| 23:53.18 | rbochan | nvz: by definition, it is stable |
| 23:53.47 | kyu | ZEA: If you remove a package sometimes a library it installed when you installed it stays there, and it's not being used by anything. Thus it shows up by 'deborph' |
| 23:53.51 | Guerin | nvz: what's not stable about it? |
| 23:54.04 | ZEA | kyu: I know |
| 23:54.12 | rbochan | nvz: what pacakge versions have changed so far? |
| 23:54.22 | ZEA | kyu: just worried about those apps I installed from source |
| 23:54.26 | Wyzard | kyu: debfoster is better than deborphan for that |
| 23:54.30 | ZcE | Wyzard how can i load that driver module? i mean, its not a special ide or something |
| 23:54.33 | Wyzard | kyu: aptitude has similar functionality too |
| 23:54.36 | dystopian | debian must be doing something right because every distro and their brother develop off of it. |
| 23:54.36 | redge- | totally back |
| 23:54.47 | Guerin | ZEA: don't install packages from source. use or make debian packages. |
| 23:55.11 | Wyzard | ZcE: I guess it's on one of the driver disks... but I haven't installed Debian from floppy since woody, which used a different installation system, and even that I don't remember very well |
| 23:55.24 | dystopian | ok that was my last 2 cents |
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| 23:56.50 | jack_ | hi |
| 23:57.07 | zulkifar | Hi. Does grep understand tabs? \t i mean |
| 23:57.19 | jack_ | MSN Messenger lets you display what song you are listening to, how do I do that under Linux? |
| 23:57.29 | jack_ | I've tried gaim with autoprofile but it doesnt work. |
| 23:57.39 | ZEA | jack_: when someone cares to implement a client that does so |
| 23:57.49 | Phated | No kidding. MSN Messenger uses some integration with WMP. |
| 23:57.59 | Phated | Which, heh. |
| 23:58.04 | rbochan | heh |
| 23:58.08 | jack_ | Yeah, |
| 23:58.14 | falco_toadfoot | what song you're listening to isn't interesting for anyone. really. |
| 23:58.20 | jack_ | but you can use plugins, which displays the song for Itunes, as well as foobar |
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| 23:58.47 | jack_ | and I think it works under linux, |
| 23:58.51 | Phated | And unless you can get WMP running on Linux, with integration with whateverthefuck client you use, it won't work. |
| 23:58.57 | jack_ | no |
| 23:59.05 | jack_ | I don't use wmp under windows either |
| 23:59.07 | zulkifar | !grep |
| 23:59.07 | dpkg | somebody said grep was at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print |
| 23:59.16 | jack_ | it still works, I use foobar under Windows with a plugin. |
| 23:59.28 | Phated | With what player, pray tell? |
| 23:59.49 | jack_ | Foobar and Itunes, |
| 23:59.56 | jack_ | all I did was install the plugin |
| 23:59.57 | OleMoudi | jack_, I saw that same feature on aMSN + xmms-infopipe |
