irclog2html for #debian on 20050711

`00:00.17`	`zulkifar`	`Does grep understand tabs? Or how to place a wildcard for tab into pattern?`
`00:00.18`	`jack_`	`thx, I'll try that`
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`00:00.46`	`Phated`	`Heh, it's like everyone stopped writing IRC scripts and started editing their nicks to show their songs instead.`
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`00:01.19`	`nvz`	`rbochan: Guerin: thats not my point.. its bugs like the konqueror one I mentioned earlier.. and there are too many numerous ones to mention. that seriously effect the functionality of the system that were allowed to become "stable" and now because they are not security-related, as they get fixed upstream, the new versions will eventually solve the issues in testing/unstable, but they will never get fixed in stable`
`00:01.19`	`kingsley`	`zulkifar: You may find #bash helpful.`
`00:01.24`	`rbochan`	`Phated: there was a time when _everyone_ had those godawful mp3 annouce scripts`
`00:01.34`	`kantai`	`zulkifar: try ASCII code for tab or tab's escape character`
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`00:01.44`	`nvz`	`IMHO these sorts of things should have been fixed or removed`
`00:01.48`	`Phated`	`rbochan: I'm aware.`
`00:01.54`	`nvz`	`now they are just forever broken`
`00:02.08`	`nvz`	`totally defeats the debian system`
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`00:02.16`	`rbochan`	`did you file a bug report?`
`00:02.30`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: sarge isn't going to be the latest release forever`
`00:02.37`	`nvz`	`rbochan: no, they are on the bts already`
`00:02.38`	`rbochan`	`kde 3.2 was only in testing for aboutr 37 months`
`00:02.42`	`zulkifar`	`kantai: how can I type such chars in command line?`
`00:02.47`	`nvz`	`Wyzard: no, but it will always be buggy`
`00:03.04`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: Won't matter when everyone has upgraded to etch, though`
`00:03.30`	`nvz`	`Wyzard: you will never be able to use removable media with konqueror because the problem isnt what policy outlines as a security issue which can be fixed.`
`00:03.32`	`Phated`	`etch+1, actually. When etch is stable, sarge will still receive support as oldstable.`
`00:03.44`	`caphuso`	`(and that's a half lie, because there's still something left of which i know what it does, but now why it works)`
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`00:04.03`	`nvz`	`like I said there are many many other bugs this is just an example of a debilitating effect these things cause`
`00:04.14`	`Phated`	`'ello, caphuso.`
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`00:04.47`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: Nautilus used to have that problem too, and I figured it was a fam thing, though it eventually got fixed or worked around`
`00:05.45`	`caphuso`	`Phated: morning`
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`00:06.05`	`Phated`	`caphuso: hugs And how are you, deary?`
`00:06.25`	`caphuso`	`Phated: SNAFU`
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`00:06.55`	`Phated`	`Right...`
`00:07.02`	`nvz`	`all I know is debian more than doubles every release, and like I said we justify things being old because this is what makes them remain stable. If things that are not stable are allowed to be called stable, more and more as debian grows.. debian stable will eventually be what a lot of people say it is.. just old. because as numbers grow larger percentage of flaws it seems will as well.`
`00:07.47`	`nvz`	`the definition of what is stable it seems is changing, and the policies are not changing. its a recipie for disaster I believe`
`00:08.14`	`Phated`	`nvz: Exposit somewhere else, if you will. Or go fix some bugs in etch before -that- becomes stable.`
`00:08.24`	`nvz`	`Phated: heh, seriously`
`00:08.35`	`nvz`	`I should upgrade to etch`
`00:08.45`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: I think it might be just that there was a lot of pressure to release sarge, since it took so long`
`00:08.52`	`nvz`	`but I am aggrivated by what we are calling stable now..`
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`00:09.10`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: like that one kernel version (don't remember which) that Linus said, well, I personally don't think it's ready, but everyone keeps telling me to release it, so here it is`
`00:09.16`	`rbochan`	`well sitting in an irc channel pissing and moaning about it won't get anything done about it`
`00:09.32`	`gravity`	`rbochan++`
`00:09.36`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: so the real issue is to fix the release process`
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`00:09.53`	`Wyzard`	`so that etch doesn't take years`
`00:09.55`	`ke6isf`	`...I feel much better now, Dave.`
`00:10.21`	`nvz`	`Wyzard: well the pressure effect isnt mentioned in debian policy.. so we cannot be like Linus and just give in anymore.. unless we are going to cut out more packages, or change policies so that users who want our stable distro dont have to stick it out with old shit that cannot recieve the fixes it needs`
`00:10.28`	`goobit`	`looking for something stable for database forms.. openoffice's database is not in stable, is there any other RAD stuff I can fiddle around with?`
`00:10.49`	`gravity`	`nvz: Why don't you take some steps to actually fix things?`
`00:10.55`	`rbochan`	`goobit: vim`
`00:11.05`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: Linus only did it once, not consistently... I think Debian will be the same way :-)`
`00:11.12`	`nvz`	`gravity: all _I_ can do is what Phated said is work on etch`
`00:11.20`	`gravity`	`nvz: And are you?`
`00:11.23`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: Read debian-devel... there's been a lot of talk about tightening the release cycle`
`00:11.46`	`goobit`	`rbochan, I've worked with oracle forms.. so I know what I'm doing, at least, and yes I do use vim`
`00:11.46`	`nvz`	`gravity: the shit they let go stable cannot be fixed because its stable and the issues though very serious are not what are considered security related that can be fixed`
`00:11.57`	`gravity`	`nvz: What have you done for etch to make sure it doesn't happen again?`
`00:12.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`!medal gravity`
`00:12.33`	`nvz`	`gravity: nothing, and I totally get that point.. thats what I am getting at.. I want to figure out where it went wrong so I know what it is that cannot happen again.`
`00:12.52`	`nvz`	`all I know right now, its that something is fucked up`
`00:13.04`	`gravity`	`nvz: Well, you have to get in there and help it. I can give you suggestions if you'd like...`
`00:13.07`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: You said the bug report was labeled Important, right? So it wasn't RC.`
`00:13.15`	`cinix`	`nvz, you can always upgrade packages that you want, no ones forcing you have a "pure" Debian stable installatino`
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`00:13.23`	`cinix`	`there's even proposed updates I think`
`00:13.34`	`k-man`	`anyone know what the kernel drivers are like for the ACL850 sound chip?`
`00:13.35`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: So you could push to get bugs like that upgraded to an RC status, or just help fix them even though they aren't RC`
`00:13.55`	`goobit`	`k-man, the alsa site if not, you must use oss..`
`00:14.20`	`nvz`	`I am thinking that from the feedback I am getting here, that the real problem is that the software is outnumbering the developers and testers`
`00:14.30`	`k-man`	`thanks goobit`
`00:14.39`	`cinix`	`heh feedback`
`00:14.43`	`nvz`	`people are letting shit slide, because there isnt enough people behind all the growth`
`00:15.02`	`Phated`	`Actually, we're asking you to go work on some bugs, or at the very least, take the soapbox speech to debconf or something.`
`00:15.03`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: Every package has a maintainer, and packages which have RC bugs that go unfixed are removed`
`00:15.12`	`Guerin`	`nvz: basically, you're just whining about the fact that the release couldn't be perfect, and that every little bug won't be fixd after the fact`
`00:15.14`	`gravity`	`It's more complex than that`
`00:15.24`	`rbochan`	`I don't code, that's why I sit in here sometimes and try to help out where I can and be a smartass`
`00:15.38`	`initech`	`no nvz has a point`
`00:15.42`	`Guerin`	`there are choices available to userrs - one of those is 'don't use stable'`
`00:16.01`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: Well, being unable to unmount removable media while KDE is running counts as more than a "little bug"`
`00:16.02`	`initech`	`i personally think sarge is a huge slip in quality myself`
`00:16.14`	`Phated`	`Woot, we'll have two of them now.`
`00:16.15`	`gravity`	`initech: Then how do you fix it?`
`00:16.16`	`cinix`	`<- hasn't had anything crash yet`
`00:16.21`	`Guerin`	`Wyzard: was it a bug in upstream, or only in debian?`
`00:16.29`	`gravity`	`Too many complaints. Too many bad ideas. Too few people actually moving to fix problems.`
`00:16.29`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: And another choice available to them is "don't use Debian", but that's not an attitude we should support`
`00:16.37`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: No idea; I don't use KDE`
`00:16.43`	`initech`	`gravity: reportbug`
`00:16.44`	`Guerin`	`right`
`00:16.52`	`nvz`	`Guerin: yeah.. and I think its worth whining about when the reason we put up with the debian policy is because we are working hard to make a 'stable' distro.. which people who appose debian philosophy simple call an 'old' distro.. and if the definition of 'stable' starts to morph its really just morphing into 'old'. and thus we are fighting a loosing battle.`
`00:17.09`	`gravity`	`initech: er...?`
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`00:17.30`	`gravity`	`initech: You think simply reporting the bugs will get them fixed?`
`00:17.32`	`Guerin`	`so my point, which should be clear to anyone with a clue, is that there comes a time when you have to decide: is this bug bad enough to hold up release, or not. Seems the only argument here is about where that line is.`
`00:17.51`	`initech`	`gravity: no, but that is the system. they should be reported`
`00:17.58`	`rbochan`	`Guerin: is 252571 what you're referring to?`
`00:18.04`	`Guerin`	`was this kde bug reported before release?`
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`00:18.07`	`gravity`	`initech: True, but they already are reported.`
`00:18.12`	`Guerin`	`rbochan: i don't know the specific bug.`
`00:18.12`	`gravity`	`initech: You haven't really said anything`
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`00:18.25`	`furrywolf`	`grr! still no luck figuring out why pcmcia dies.`
`00:18.28`	`rbochan`	`Guerin: that's the only konq/mount related bug I see`
`00:18.44`	`cinix`	`nvz, I'd rather listen to you bash the current presidential administration then Debian... so okay GO!`
`00:18.48`	`rbochan`	`and I can say I haven't experienced it myself`
`00:18.55`	`nvz`	`cinix: hehe`
`00:18.58`	`dilku`	`is there is way that I can connect to a Linux Machine ( Run X apps ) from a Windows machine ?`
`00:19.12`	`ke6isf`	`dilku: tightvnc`
`00:19.17`	`furrywolf`	`dilku: install a windows X server, or use VNC.`
`00:19.26`	`Wyzard`	`dilku: Use Cygwin/X, or a commercial X server such as X-Win32 or Exceed`
`00:19.32`	`cinix`	`there's a few x windows clients too, connect to the xserver through ssh`
`00:19.34`	`Wyzard`	`dilku: or (less preferable, for performance reasons) use VNC`
`00:19.54`	`nvz`	`I will read up more and do less bitching here. seems to me like what it comes down to, is knuckling down on the next release, and reviewing the debian policies and seeing what needs to change.`
`00:20.02`	`cinix`	`if freenx debian packages site ever comes back online i might try that myself`
`00:20.05`	`rbochan`	`furrywolf: what's going on with pcmcia?`
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`00:21.24`	`Guerin`	`ok, so the bug was filed as 'important' - that's not a release critical bug.`
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`00:22.10`	`furrywolf`	`rbochan: loading the pcic module crashes during a normal boot, but doesn't with an init=/bin/sh style boot... and I can't figure out what's different.`
`00:22.27`	`furrywolf`	`s/crashes/displays infinitely growing stack traces until I hit the power switch`
`00:22.38`	`rbochan`	`weird`
`00:22.49`	`initech`	`gravity: ok, well here's an example of a bug that I think is ludicrous that made it into the release - 278340`
`00:22.51`	`Guerin`	`nvz: i don't 'put up with' debian policy, i think debian policy is GREAT`
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`00:23.20`	`nvz`	`Guerin: its fairly important (to a KDE user anyhow which I say fauk'em) but the thing is.. when this happens is there room for it to be fixed, or do these people either have to upgrade, compile upstream code.. or what? cause the problem is solved.. and as of right now, there is no debian package even unofficially which solves the problem.`
`00:23.37`	`Guerin`	`initech: misfiled. Should have been higher.`
`00:23.54`	`Guerin`	`nvz: should have been filed with higher priority if it was that big a deal.`
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`00:24.13`	`nvz`	`Guerin: I dont either.. I like the whole ideas or I wouldnt be here all the time.. but I am starting to see examples in the last release that support the anti-debianisms I hear all the time`
`00:24.13`	`gravity`	`On the one hand people want stable software with no bugs. On the other hand people want the latest stuff from upstream.`
`00:24.15`	`furrywolf`	`it also didn't die on the first boot after install`
`00:24.17`	`Guerin`	`you're essentially blaming debian for the failure of bug submitters to file correctly.`
`00:24.25`	`furrywolf`	`something init is doing breaks pcmcia later`
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`00:24.31`	`abofaisal`	`Is there no mplayer package in the depain repository?`
`00:24.35`	`abofaisal`	`debian`
`00:24.37`	`gravity`	`abofaisal: No`
`00:24.38`	`Guerin`	`abofaisal: /msg dpkg mplayer`
`00:24.43`	`rbochan`	`gravity: there is no stable software with no bugs`
`00:24.44`	`nvz`	`Guerin: no I am looking for the reason.. and I guess thats what it comes down to.. the bug wasnt filed properly and on time`
`00:24.45`	`furrywolf`	`it's not any of the scripts in /etc/rc2.d, as running them manually still works`
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`00:24.58`	`gravity`	`rbochan: You know what I mean`
`00:25.12`	`rbochan`	`gravity: yes I do, but the point still stands`
`00:25.12`	`Guerin`	`nvz: right. Is debian supposed to wait indefinite amounts of timeso people can get their bug filings right?`
`00:25.23`	`rbochan`	`there is no bug-free software`
`00:25.24`	`abofaisal`	`cool thanks`
`00:25.27`	`alnr_`	`I have webmin iptables failing with undefined sub &net::interface_choice, what do i need to install (I guess the dep is missing?)`
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`00:25.51`	`Wyzard`	`nvz: The strange thing is, I'm sure there are users of KDE in testing and unstable who should've been pushing to get that bug fixed`
`00:26.13`	`gravity`	`I wonder how many kdm users that actually affected`
`00:26.23`	`gravity`	`If it was a lot of the, it should have been fixed`
`00:26.29`	`gravity`	`s/the/them/`
`00:26.34`	`cinix`	`furrywolf, is this on a floppy? could the floppy be damaged+corrupt?`
`00:26.39`	`nvz`	`Guerin: nope. I guess if it bothered people that werent too stupid to file it correctly, it would have been better handled`
`00:26.40`	`rbochan`	`gravity: since Deb has always (previously) defaulted to gdm, it woiuuld be hard to say`
`00:26.52`	`nvz`	`Wyzard: yeah. I got it now. ^^`
`00:26.52`	`Guerin`	`well, given that we haven't heard any such complaints in here, i think it's fair to say it's isolated`
`00:27.03`	`Wyzard`	`hehe`
`00:27.05`	`gravity`	`rbochan: Not really. There's tons of kdm users out there.`
`00:27.14`	`furrywolf`	`cinix: no floppies. if this laptop had a floppy drive, I would have saved a day and a half of work. :P`
`00:27.20`	`rbochan`	`oh, I know... I"m one of them`
`00:27.25`	`rbochan`	`but I"ve never seen that issue`
`00:27.26`	`cinix`	`ohhh yea`
`00:27.27`	`initech`	`gravity: dunno. happens to me 100% of the time (until I fix it)`
`00:27.30`	`cinix`	`<- remembers now`
`00:27.49`	`Guerin`	`initech: why didn't you change the priority of the bug up from 'normal'?`
`00:27.51`	`rbochan`	`guess I stay logged in too much :P`
`00:27.55`	`gravity`	`initech: Here's the thing though: everyone thinks their bug is the important one`
`00:28.07`	`gravity`	`initech: It's something you realize very quickly when you start maintaining software`
`00:28.09`	`initech`	`Guerin: why did the packager close it without fixing it?`
`00:28.19`	`nvz`	`I am going to step outside. I feel like my issues have been more than clarified. this is how you solve problems.. you let other people reflect on them.. and you eventually get to the bottom of it`
`00:28.19`	`furrywolf`	`right now I'm upgrading the kernel in hopes it's just some problem with the woody install 2.2 kernel.`
`00:28.38`	`Guerin`	`initech: how can I answer that? But you CAN answer my question...`
`00:28.51`	`nvz`	`I will in the future keep in mind, that having a bug already on the BTS doesnt mean you shouldnt file it again, if its not the greatest bug report`
`00:28.55`	`k-man`	`i'm looking to buy a new mb`
`00:28.57`	`rbochan`	`initech: "the submitter of this specific report has fixed his problem"`
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`00:29.02`	`k-man`	`i want one with 5 pci slots`
`00:29.08`	`k-man`	`and can take an AMD chip`
`00:29.13`	`k-man`	`any suggestions?`
`00:29.14`	`Guerin`	`nvz: no need to file again; add to the existing bug and/or change the priority`
`00:29.22`	`Guerin`	`k-man: i suggest google`
`00:29.22`	`nvz`	`ah, ok.`
`00:29.43`	`k-man`	`Guerin, yeah, i was hoping for some suggestions a little more specific than that`
`00:29.56`	`rbochan`	`ciao nvz`
`00:29.56`	`Guerin`	`k-man: why is #debian the right place for this question?`
`00:29.58`	`initech`	`Guerin: well, maybe I will! :)`
`00:29.58`	`litage`	i just tried `chkconfig --list` but was told chkconfig doesn't exist. what does debian use instead?
`00:30.11`	`Guerin`	`!red hat tools`
`00:30.11`	`dpkg`	`If you're a (former) Red Hat user looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc.`
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`00:30.12`	`rbochan`	`!tell litage about rc-update.d`
`00:30.13`	`k-man`	`Guerin, cos most people on here run linux and i'm looking for a linux compatible mb`
`00:30.17`	`rbochan`	`oops`
`00:30.21`	`gravity`	`Anyway, there's definitely something to be said for a longer freeze period. For sarge, it was already well overdue, but maybe etch can have a longer one`
`00:30.27`	`rbochan`	`!tell litage about update-rc.d`
`00:30.31`	`litage`	`thanks`
`00:30.39`	`cast`	`my nf2 is nice`
`00:30.40`	`rbochan`	`de nada`
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`00:30.46`	`Wyzard`	`hmm, fam doesn't seem to be working right... nautilus isn't noticing newly-created files`
`00:30.54`	`cast`	`if your into oldschool 32bit proc's`
`00:30.55`	`furrywolf`	`k-man: have you even stated what type of amd processor you want to support? etc,`
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`00:31.40`	`Wyzard`	`caphuso: There is no spoon!`
`00:31.43`	`furrywolf`	`what memory do you like? what chipset do you like? do you want agp or pci-express? RAID? form factor? etc, use google!`
`00:31.52`	`caphuso`	`Wyzard: have some soup then`
`00:32.03`	`Phated`	`Heh.`
`00:32.08`	`rbochan`	`furrywolf: you could sell him yer laptop :P`
`00:32.10`	`cinix`	`hehe`
`00:32.27`	`k-man`	`furrywolf, yeah, i want an AMD chip`
`00:32.34`	`k-man`	`i don't really care which socket as long as its amd`
`00:32.47`	`furrywolf`	`socket 462 ok then? I'll sell you a few of them. :P`
`00:32.55`	`caphuso`	`furrywolf: heh`
`00:33.06`	`initech`	`k-man: socket 7? wanna buy some?`
`00:33.18`	`litage`	`rbochan: there's no mention of how to list what's running or check the status of something in update-rc.d's manpage. how do you do that?`
`00:33.33`	`k-man`	`oh forget it`
`00:33.38`	`gravity`	`Lord... I hate shopping for my little brother. I never know what to buy him`
`00:33.56`	`rbochan`	`litage: you tel by checking the rc# directory in etc for whatever runlevel you boot into (default is 2)`
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`00:34.15`	`paul_`	`anybody know where the thread or connection setting in pan are?`
`00:34.18`	`caphuso`	`gravity: i made a deal with my brother, i buy him stuff i want and vice versa`
`00:34.26`	`gravity`	`Ha`
`00:34.32`	`paul_`	`three threads is all my newsgroup server will support`
`00:34.41`	`gravity`	`caphuso: He's across the country, so I couldn't enjoy it :-)`
`00:34.42`	`Guerin`	`my damn brother is a bum who never buys presents`
`00:34.43`	`litage`	`rbochan: that only tells you what is supposed to run, not what is running`
`00:34.53`	`Guerin`	`mind you`
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`00:35.07`	`rbochan`	`litage: you can also cat /etc/init.d/README`
`00:35.13`	`paul_`	`Pan thread or connection settings? anybody know where they are?`
`00:35.21`	`caphuso`	`gravity: yeah, got that problem too, that's why i tend to settle on books. that way i have something to read when i visit him`
`00:35.29`	`Guerin`	`i hardly ever do either, but at least I have the excuse that i'm 10,000km away and typically have no means of contacting him`
`00:35.37`	`rbochan`	`paul_: toole menu/news servers`
`00:35.54`	`litage`	`rbochan: so debian doesn't have a command that specifically lists what services are running?`
`00:36.15`	`rbochan`	`litage: I've never had reason to look into that specifically, so I can't say for sure`
`00:36.16`	`gravity`	`hehe`
`00:36.25`	`paul_`	`rbochan i dont see them there`
`00:36.52`	`paul_`	`rbochan i found them hid away, thanks`
`00:36.54`	`rbochan`	`paul_: you have to choose one of the servers, it's on that page`
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`00:37.30`	`paul_`	`thanks dude`
`00:37.40`	`huhcool`	`anybody know how I can get my USB Gravis Gamepad PRO to emulate keys on the keyboard (and therefore be compatible with anything pretty much) ?`
`00:37.42`	`Leon_`	`hi, I am about to install a MTA to my dedicated web server, which one do you suggest?`
`00:37.42`	`rbochan`	`cheers`
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`00:37.49`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: exim4`
`00:37.50`	`caphuso`	`Leon_: exim4 or postfix`
`00:37.52`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: the default`
`00:37.56`	`rbochan`	`Leon_: sendmail`
`00:37.59`	`rbochan`	`:P`
`00:38.09`	`Leon_`	`thanks, what about qmail?`
`00:38.14`	`caphuso`	`don't`
`00:38.14`	`Guerin`	`no`
`00:38.21`	`Guerin`	`!qmail`
`00:38.21`	`dpkg`	`i heard qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ...`
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`00:38.29`	`Leon_`	`it wont be my domains only, but some paid customers as well, so security is a must.`
`00:38.30`	`Guerin`	`qmail is worse than sendmail`
`00:38.36`	`initech`	`man I was looking at exim4 the other day and I'm like WTF. This is as bad as sendmail!`
`00:38.56`	`rbochan`	`initech: postfix is a snap`
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`00:39.01`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: exim4 and postfix are secure, if properly configured and maintained`
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`00:39.06`	`rbochan`	`if I can set it yp, _anyone_ can`
`00:39.22`	`Leon_`	`i guess noone is against postfix here, so give it a try then?`
`00:39.33`	`Guerin`	`!postfix howto`
`00:39.34`	`dpkg`	`[postfix howto] see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/`
`00:39.41`	`rbochan`	`Leon_: it's solid, reliable, and well documented`
`00:39.44`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: those'll walk you through it`
`00:39.44`	`Leon_`	`is it hard to setup and maintain? probably some plugins are needed, arent they?`
`00:40.03`	`Leon_`	`Guerin you are great help thanks`
`00:40.08`	`Leon_`	`all of you...`
`00:40.15`	`Leon_`	`proud to use debian :)`
`00:40.22`	`Guerin`	`!aww`
`00:40.22`	`dpkg`	`snuggles`
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`00:40.23`	`rbochan`	`shhhh... don't tell nvz`
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`00:42.24`	`initech`	`!kill dpkg`
`00:42.46`	`thewonderllama`	`nice`
`00:44.23`	`initech`	`!kill qmail`
`00:44.34`	`Leon_`	`hmm, is amavis really good?`
`00:44.38`	`initech`	`!kill djb`
`00:44.53`	`initech`	`dpkg: now we're talking`
`00:45.00`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: if you have tons of ram, yeah`
`00:45.21`	`rbochan`	`Guerin: why's that?`
`00:45.36`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: if you're going to be providing service to paid customers, i suggest you do yourself a bit of research.`
`00:45.44`	`Leon_`	`is it effective, my isp admin told me he is using something different but i dont recall the name`
`00:45.46`	`Guerin`	`rbochan: because it uses lots and lots of ram?`
`00:46.00`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: yes, it does work very well.`
`00:46.03`	`Leon_`	`Guerin: what do you mean?`
`00:46.12`	`rbochan`	`weird, I use it on a 32 meg box and it's fine`
`00:46.21`	`Leon_`	`with research? you mean i should try paid solutions?`
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`00:47.02`	`Guerin`	`Leon_: no, i mean you should be edumacating yourself rather than making us do all your research ... you're going to need to know this all if you end up administering it.`
`00:47.08`	`rbochan`	`granted, I don't do much with it`
`00:47.10`	`Guerin`	`rbochan: how much mail?`
`00:47.16`	`rbochan`	`very little`
`00:47.19`	`rbochan`	`heh`
`00:47.22`	`Guerin`	`rbochan: and what else is running on that box?`
`00:47.27`	`rbochan`	`business is slow =/`
`00:47.36`	`Leon_`	`guerin, right, i do it`
`00:47.39`	`rbochan`	`postfix, a pop daemon, and fetchmail`
`00:48.00`	`Leon_`	`just try to ask experienced people to save some time.`
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`00:48.07`	`rbochan`	`kernel is a whopping 250k :)`
`00:48.13`	`Guerin`	`i had postfix, mysql, amavis, clamav, spamassassin running on a box with 96MB and it was being pwned quite routinely`
`00:48.24`	`rbochan`	`oh yeah, and psamassassin`
`00:48.29`	`Guerin`	`amavis wanting up to ~40MB`
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`00:48.47`	`caphuso`	`it's the only explanation i can think of`
`00:48.50`	`caphuso`	`argh`
`00:49.00`	`Leon_`	`i have 1gb of ram`
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`00:49.06`	`rbochan`	`<drooool>`
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`00:49.21`	`rbochan`	`I don't even have a gig of ram spread out over 6 machiens`
`00:49.27`	`Guerin`	`heh, neither`
`00:49.42`	`litage`	`rbochan: why not? it's so cheap these days`
`00:49.44`	`initech`	`man i have a gig of ram up my ass. you want some?`
`00:49.52`	`cinix`	`hehe`
`00:49.54`	`rbochan`	`mostly because I have old machines that won't take that much`
`00:50.01`	`goobit`	`rbochan, maybe its time for you to get a hypervisor`
`00:50.10`	`Guerin`	`the only box i have which really needs ram is way off in texas anyhow`
`00:50.21`	`initech`	`texas!?!`
`00:50.22`	`ralf`	`the new c2 packages are the one with the new c++ abi?`
`00:50.31`	`rbochan`	`my old laptop could use more, but it's not worth it for that machine.. the rest run just fine`
`00:50.33`	`initech`	`yeeee haaaw!`
`00:50.34`	`Guerin`	`initech: hot dang!`
`00:50.59`	`Guerin`	`initech: how's the weather in the Crescent City today?`
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`00:51.11`	`initech`	`Guerin: it's totally normal`
`00:51.16`	`Guerin`	`we have ourselves a bit of a monsoon here, but nothing to get concerned about`
`00:51.23`	`Guerin`	`initech: long may that last.`
`00:51.28`	`initech`	`Guerin: I guess somebody got smacked but it wasn't up`
`00:51.34`	`initech`	`err, us`
`00:51.43`	`initech`	`Guerin: no joke`
`00:51.45`	`rbochan`	`ok, enough fun for me.. ta`
`00:53.11`	`simonrvn`	`i wish it would rain... it's so hot today`
`00:53.25`	`simonrvn`	`sun's setting, and it's still 30`
`00:53.33`	`simonrvn`	`, er, 28`
`00:53.57`	`simonrvn`	`ooh, i smell rain :)`
`00:54.07`	`Phated`	`Wimp.`
`00:54.18`	`thingfish`	`yeah, it's still 31 here in Kansas City, Missouri.`
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`00:54.42`	`simonrvn`	`bah. i'm complaining 'cause it isn't auguest yet. oh wait.`
`00:54.48`	`simonrvn`	`august*`
`00:54.52`	`simonrvn`	`almost there`
`00:54.53`	`Guerin`	`bah`
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`00:55.12`	`Guerin`	`why is this damn cgi not working outside my cgi-bin dir?`
`00:55.14`	`simonrvn`	`(we usualy get the hot weather in july-august)`
`00:55.16`	`Guerin`	`it's executable`
`00:55.22`	`simonrvn`	`@shoot my typist`
`00:55.26`	`Guerin`	`the dir it lives in has +ExecCGI`
`00:55.32`	`Guerin`	`...`
`00:55.35`	`Guerin`	`what else?`
`00:55.53`	`simonrvn`	`perms? can the daemon run it?`
`00:55.56`	`nunez_`	`I'm trying to install Debian 3.0 Testing on my Dell Inspiron 8000 lappy and when it goes to check for "PC card services" it freezes?`
`00:55.57`	`Wyzard`	`Guerin: Check error.log`
`00:56.09`	`dilku`	`intead of VNC is there anything that I can use to connect to a Linux X server Directly .?`
`00:56.11`	`Wyzard`	`nunez_: Why not install 3.1, the current release?`
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`00:56.43`	`Wyzard`	`dilku: If you want to run X apps "directly" on Windows, what you need is an X server for Windows`
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`00:56.59`	`Wyzard`	`dilku: as I said earlier: Cygwin/X, or a commercial one such as X-Win32 or Hummingbird Exceed`
`00:57.07`	`Guerin`	`it's just serving it as a textfile`
`00:57.38`	`simonrvn`	`what kind of script (language)?`
`00:58.13`	`Wyzard`	`dilku: You log into your remote Linux system, set your DISPLAY variable to point to the server on the Windows system, and when you run a X app, it connects to the X server on the Windows system and displays itself there`
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`00:59.22`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: perl`
`00:59.30`	`karsten`	`Guerin: Necklace`
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`00:59.47`	`simonrvn`	`sec, got a problem of my own here`
`00:59.50`	`Guerin`	`karsten: bash: Necklace: command not found`
`00:59.56`	`Guerin`	`karsten: help me U FUX0R`
`01:00.03`	`Guerin`	`ah, it's ok`
`01:00.06`	`Guerin`	`i'm just whining`
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`01:00.28`	`karsten`	`Guerin: 'sup?`
`01:00.50`	`simonrvn`	`@shoot my typist`
`01:00.53`	`Guerin`	`stupid apache won't execute a stupid cgi which I don't want to install the debian package for`
`01:00.59`	`Guerin`	`stupiddddd`
`01:01.00`	`nunez`	`I'm trying to install Debian 3.0 Testing DVD on my Dell Inspiron 8000, and when it starts to check hardware it freezes on "Starting PC card services"?`
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`01:01.20`	`Guerin`	`nunez: 3.0 testing?`
`01:01.25`	`Guerin`	`DVD??!`
`01:01.25`	`simonrvn`	`Guerin: no, it's "perl Necklace", silly ;p`
`01:01.32`	`Guerin`	`oh, mah bay`
`01:01.34`	`Guerin`	`d`
`01:01.39`	`simonrvn`	`3.0 is not testing. it's oldstable`
`01:02.04`	`simonrvn`	`your dvd is FUCKING ANCIENT`
`01:02.05`	`Guerin`	`wheee, my winner`
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`01:02.43`	`Guerin`	`AddHandler cgi-script .cgi`
`01:02.44`	`Guerin`	`duh`
`01:02.47`	`simonrvn`	`did you happen to set User/Group or SuExecUserGroup (or whatever it's called in apache2) ?`
`01:02.50`	`simonrvn`	`heheh`
`01:02.58`	`Guerin`	`nah, I use oldpache`
`01:03.15`	`simonrvn`	`vs. newpache? :)`
`01:03.22`	`Guerin`	`yeah`
`01:03.29`	`Guerin`	`i'm too scared to migrate my config`
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`01:03.50`	`simonrvn`	`i know what you mean, i spent a month thinking about it`
`01:03.56`	`simonrvn`	`probably more`
`01:04.13`	`reco`	`hi there, what is the best way to add a second ip-address to my debian box? help appreciated, thanx`
`01:04.17`	`simonrvn`	`wasn't so bas actually. there's a small tut about it on their site`
`01:04.20`	`simonrvn`	`bad*`
`01:04.33`	`Guerin`	`yeah, my httpd.conf is spaghetti`
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`01:04.38`	`Guerin`	`i'll do it eventually`
`01:04.47`	`Guerin`	`but i'm really not looking forward to it`
`01:05.04`	`Guerin`	`and I can't afford to take th box down, lots of people use it`
`01:05.06`	`nunez`	`I'm trying to install Debian Testing 3.0 DVD on my Dell Inspiron 8000, but when its checking hardware it freezes on "PC card services"?`
`01:05.10`	`simonrvn`	`i was freakshow while i was doing it`
`01:05.20`	`Guerin`	`nunez: debian 3.0 is really, rally old.`
`01:05.31`	`simonrvn`	`nunez: that DVD is FUCKING ANCIENT`
`01:05.32`	`Guerin`	`nunez: how new is your pc?`
`01:06.13`	`nunez`	`Guerin, Its an older lappy`
`01:06.16`	`nunez`	`800mhz`
`01:06.17`	`Supaplex`	`dude, the incas first came to be when that dvd was released`
`01:06.36`	`Guerin`	`nunez: do you need pcmcia?`
`01:06.42`	`simonrvn`	`not that old. probably after the spanish invaded south america`
`01:06.48`	`pipeline`	`nunez: That system is probably newer than debian 3.0`
`01:06.52`	`Supaplex`	`oh yeah, that's right.`
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`01:07.27`	`nunez`	`Guerin, yeah, I use wireless`
`01:07.32`	`simonrvn`	`ok, next page`
`01:07.52`	`nunez`	`pipeline, its a new debian DVD, I downloaded it about 2 months ago, its 3.0 something`
`01:08.00`	`Guerin`	`nunez: itym3.1`
`01:08.46`	`nunez`	`Guerin, Is it possible for debian to do a net install with a Netgear WG511T wireless PCMCIA card?`
`01:08.48`	`nunez`	`will it see it?`
`01:08.50`	`crystalremo`	`whats the difference between apache and apache2?`
`01:09.03`	`caphuso`	`crystalremo: lots of things`
`01:09.19`	`Guerin`	`nunez: no idea about wireless of any kind.`
`01:09.24`	`Leon_`	`crystalremo: the handling of virtualdomains is different for exp`
`01:09.35`	`pipeline`	`nunez: Yes, so that would make it about five years old.`
`01:09.37`	`MobyTurbo`	`furrywolf: you might want to be a bit more selective`
`01:09.42`	`pipeline`	`nunez: 3.1 came out a couple weeks ago.`
`01:09.53`	`hansvi`	`nunez: I also have an I8K`
`01:09.57`	`furrywolf`	`MobyTurbo: heh. I'm moving it to another partition. already cp -a'ed, now to delete and symlink it.`
`01:10.05`	`pipeline`	`nunez: As for your wireless card, there's no way to tell. Netgear frequently changes the hardware without changing the model number.`
`01:10.31`	`hansvi`	`You have to change a config file to exclude an address range`
`01:10.50`	`nunez`	`pipeline, Are there any new DVD images out there?`
`01:11.15`	`pipeline`	`nunez: Yes, but you will probably have to download them via torrent.`
`01:11.27`	`simonrvn`	`Leon_: that's more of a configuration thing, than actual real changes`
`01:11.35`	`pipeline`	`nunez: I suggest you download the "netinst" disc, which contains the minimal Debian system. That is, the most reasonable minimum set of packages to have a standalone debian system.`
`01:11.47`	`simonrvn`	`i'd been using a similar layout for vhosts for several months`
`01:11.52`	`MobyTurbo`	`nunez: it's better if you have broadband to get netinst, and apt-get the rest of your system as needed.`
`01:12.10`	`caphuso`	`well, that's more or less fine`
`01:12.15`	`pipeline`	`nunez: Note that the netinst has enough stuff that you don't actually have to have an internet connection to install`
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`01:12.32`	`tung`	`im having trouble connecting to the internet after installing a 2nd network card: http://code.bulix.org/183`
`01:12.37`	`tung`	`any help is appreciated`
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`01:13.13`	`furrywolf`	`tung: plug the cable into the other card? :P`
`01:13.24`	`tung`	`both cables are plugged in`
`01:13.37`	`pipeline`	`tung: ifdown one of the interfaces.`
`01:13.54`	`pipeline`	`tung: Both interfaces are on the same network. The routing tables are all fucked up. If you don't know how to fix them, you shouldn't be doing this. I sure as shit don't know how to.`
`01:14.26`	`tung`	`thats what im trying to learn`
`01:14.33`	`RvGaTe`	`is it possible to unzip a .rar file in debian ?`
`01:14.48`	`pipeline`	`RvGaTe: You can use the free software unrar, or you can install the non-free rar`
`01:15.00`	`pipeline`	`RvGaTe: If it's a multi-volume file or an encrypted file, you'll need the non-free rar`
`01:15.22`	`RvGaTe`	`k, thx`
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`01:15.33`	`pipeline`	`RvGaTe: Or rather, there's a non-free unrar, a free unrar, and a non-free rar.`
`01:15.34`	`furrywolf`	`RvGaTe: no, but it is possible to unrar a .rar file in debian. :P`
`01:15.40`	`pipeline`	`RvGaTe: You probably want non-free/rar`
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`01:16.02`	`ke6isf`	`My wife is running a soundblaster 16 for her setup under Sarge, but we can't get alsa to recognize it. alsaconf will probe for sb16, and when finished pop up a window with nothing more than an "OK" button. What are we missing here?`
`01:16.05`	`Agrajag-`	`is there somewhere i can see packages in unstable and how much time/what's stopping them going into testing?`
`01:16.15`	`pipeline`	`ke6isf: A decent soundcard`
`01:16.38`	`ke6isf`	`pipeline: Self evident, but at this time we lack money to replace said sb16.`
`01:16.59`	`pipeline`	`ke6isf: You can try fooling with the isapnp crap :(`
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`01:17.10`	`ke6isf`	`pipeline: Let's try that.`
`01:17.12`	`pipeline`	`ke6isf: SB16s were usually PNP ISA. I have to say that I preferred just having jumpers ;_;`
`01:17.22`	`ke6isf`	`pipeline: Oy, tell me about it.`
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`01:18.00`	`hansvi`	`nunez: if a new image doesn't fix your problem, just add "exclude port 0x800-0x8ff" in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts`
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`01:20.28`	`cinix`	`ugh I just had to dish out $20 for a new soundcard today, I was so pissed.`
`01:21.55`	`hansvi`	`I just placed my old es1371 card in my new PC, it's well supported and probably has saved me tons of troubleshooting time :)`
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`01:23.02`	`tung`	`removing gateway from one of the devices in /etc/network/interfaces did the trick`
`01:23.43`	`w3rdn4`	`grand opening of animeyume.org radio by a 15 year old :)`
`01:23.45`	`w3rdn4`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:24.23`	`hansvi`	`BTW (random hint), if you're fooling around with PCI cards, you should know about lspci (apt-get install pciutils).`
`01:24.35`	`tung`	`w3rdn4 cool`
`01:24.45`	`cinix`	`ke6isf, what if you manually modprobe sb16`
`01:25.29`	`cinix`	`then run alsaconf`
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`01:26.21`	`shingouz`	`ke6isf: do a modinfo on the module you plan to use, put the appropriate parameters on the line too or it will not work unless you have isapnptools configured correctly. /me wanders off again`
`01:26.41`	`caphuso`	`no, but anything that is implemented in a mediocre way without an apparent reason is`
`01:27.05`	`caphuso`	`argh, damnit... this one-and-a-half-hand typing is getting on my nerves`
`01:27.32`	`cinix`	`...random?`
`01:27.46`	`cafuego`	`xorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-kernel-source`
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`01:28.13`	`simonrvn`	`caphuso: did you hurt your hand?`
`01:28.21`	`caphuso`	`simonrvn: yeah`
`01:28.27`	`simonrvn`	`caphuso: :(`
`01:28.54`	`simonrvn`	`hope you get better soon`
`01:29.10`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: gonna have to find the sb16 module.`
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`01:32.19`	`ro0t`	`how do i change the password using a single command line, someone told me how to do it using xargs but I forgot`
`01:32.26`	`cinix`	`ke6isf, I could be wrong about what it's called, but there should be an alsa module for sb16`
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`01:33.07`	`cinix`	`snd-sb16 on my system`
`01:33.13`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: It's showing up, we probe with it, it just gives the OK button, we click it, and XMMS complains about no sound card.`
`01:33.25`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: That's the mod to probe?`
`01:34.32`	`cinix`	`if alsaconf is working I believe it would have added some snd-sb16 into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base`
`01:34.52`	`cinix`	`then with any luck /etc/init.d/alsa start should get everything going`
`01:35.05`	`cinix`	`then you may have to change xmms config to use ALSA, probalby defaults to OSS`
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`01:35.12`	`ke6isf`	`OK. She's creating me an account and... omg, gonna have to remove some junk here.`
`01:35.44`	`cinix`	`my only suggestion really was to modprobe snd-sb16 and then run alsaconf to see if it detected your card, but it sounds like it is detecting the card`
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`01:36.08`	`Atula`	`hi, when I tried to install fluxbox on fedora, I received an error: your libstdc++ doesn't have the sstream or strstream classes.... what to do? how do I get those files?`
`01:36.26`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: snd-sb16 said it couldn't find it.`
`01:36.36`	`Atula`	`I am sorry if it's not a debian question. I use debian....`
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`01:36.47`	`cinix`	`ke6isf, what kernel do you use?`
`01:37.00`	`ke6isf`	`hang on.`
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`01:37.22`	`ke6isf`	`2.6.8`
`01:37.40`	`ZcE`	`3.1 rev0a -> is it really ok? i tried installing and it gieves me "unable to download adduser" but im installing it from CD (actually, /cdrom, but it is a link to /MyFatPartition/DebianCD)`
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`01:38.44`	`chealer`	`ZcE: a full set of CDs?`
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`01:38.48`	`hansvi`	`adduser not installed???`
`01:38.55`	`cinix`	`do you see information about your card if you type pnpdump?`
`01:39.00`	`ZcE`	`chealer only CD-1`
`01:39.03`	`myren`	`whats the buisness review site online?`
`01:39.12`	`chealer`	`Atula: ask the right channel`
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`01:39.21`	`Atula`	`chealer, I did. nevermind.`
`01:39.21`	`myren`	`erm, the site that allows you too check up on merchandisers online?`
`01:39.25`	`cinix`	`the debian kernel should have the alsa modules, don't believe it's in a seperate package`
`01:39.26`	`ke6isf`	`'cinNope.`
`01:39.36`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: Nope.`
`01:39.52`	`myren`	`there's some group which is basically the better buisness beurea for the web, but i cant remember the site.`
`01:39.56`	`cinix`	`oh well it doesn't have to be a pnp sb16 I guess.`
`01:40.12`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: I think it is; Mandreck picked it up, I just can't seem to find it now.`
`01:40.14`	`ZcE`	`i opened the debootstrap (something like that) scripts, and edit sarge.. i changed base="adduser... to base="1adduser.. and it says it couldnt download 1adduser (so, theres the script).. on the top of the script the "download method" is "apt".. is it trying to connect even from a cd install?`
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`01:40.45`	`cinix`	`ke6isf, this a Debian kernel or a kernel that was compiled by someone`
`01:41.05`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: It's a Deb kernel - linux26 load option from netinst.`
`01:41.29`	`cinix`	`ohh`
`01:41.39`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: ...something I need to know?`
`01:41.41`	`cinix`	`if your in the setup kernel it probably isn't there`
`01:41.55`	`cinix`	`finish installing and whe you get the real kernel you get all the bells and whistles`
`01:41.57`	`jetx`	`get a real kernel, and ask dpkg about alsa-bork maybe`
`01:41.59`	`ZcE`	`AND, it tried to get /cdrom/dists//Release, but the correct path would be /cdrom/dists/sarge/Release (so i moved main, contrib and Release to /cd/dists/ so it could continue the installation)`
`01:42.08`	`jetx`	`but the install one gives sound`
`01:42.21`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: The install is complete, so I doubt it's the setup kernel.`
`01:42.33`	`deadcat`	`how can i upgrade my airport card (802.11b) firmware? its showing 4.16 under linux, but when i put it in my friend's ibook, his osx shows firmware version 9.x.`
`01:42.52`	`cinix`	`ok ok. try typing ls /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16.ko`
`01:43.23`	`cinix`	`uhh`
`01:43.27`	`cinix`	`might not be 686`
`01:43.36`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: It exists.`
`01:43.51`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: And I think the kernel is indeed the 386 kernel.`
`01:43.52`	`mwilson`	`deadcat: Apple produced several firmware updates for them, they're downloadable in the usual place.`
`01:44.20`	`deadcat`	`mwilson: do i have to do that under osx? i dont have osx on my ibook`
`01:44.34`	`cinix`	`okay try modprobe snd-sb16 again`
`01:44.41`	`deadcat`	`mwilson: how do you get a random "real name" on your irc info?`
`01:44.42`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: Confirmed, 2.6.8-2-386. Suppose I should update the kernel via apt.`
`01:44.56`	`ke6isf`	`Still says the device doesn't exist.`
`01:45.00`	`cinix`	`ohhh`
`01:45.04`	`cinix`	`I misunderstood`
`01:45.04`	`mwilson`	`deadcat: Huh?`
`01:45.07`	`cinix`	`thought the module didn't exist`
`01:45.13`	`cinix`	`i apologize`
`01:45.15`	`ke6isf`	`Bu-ut, it returned nothing when I did modprobe snd-sb16-dsp. I wonder.`
`01:45.29`	`cinix`	`what if you type lspci`
`01:45.31`	`deadcat`	`mwilson: waKFhe3L@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net`
`01:45.38`	`cinix`	`paste the line related to the sound card`
`01:45.48`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: No sound card.`
`01:45.58`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: It's an ISA device, so that's just as well.`
`01:46.02`	`cinix`	`oh duh`
`01:46.33`	`cinix`	`summer time melts the brain`
`01:46.49`	`furrywolf`	`bah. hotplug depends on usb stuff being installed, even if your box has no usb ports, and you only want it for the pcmcia stuff.`
`01:46.54`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: You know what, I think esound would do the job - IIRC, that's what she was using under Mandreck.`
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`01:48.08`	`caphuso`	`furrywolf: it's just a Recommends:`
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`01:49.14`	`cinix`	`ke6isf, I think your still going to need kernel driver.`
`01:49.25`	`cinix`	`you'll probably have to specifcy options on the modprobe line`
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`01:49.39`	`furrywolf`	`hrmm. things take too long to install on this box. :)`
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`01:49.45`	`cinix`	`shingouz, mentioned earlier if isapnptools isn't setup right then it won't see the device`
`01:49.51`	`cinix`	`oops, forget the comma`
`01:49.53`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: It's just a trick of determining what options I need... =O.o=`
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`01:51.15`	`cinix`	`too bad pnpdump didn't do anything, don't know what else for you to do except pull out the card and look for jumpers, right down what you see`
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`01:51.42`	`cinix`	`damn I'm useless, going to get some coffee`
`01:51.44`	`cinix`	`brb`
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`01:52.06`	`w3rdn4`	`what is ocking it up?`
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`01:55.11`	`furrywolf`	`is there a way to make apt-get download packages and install them one at a time? i.e. download .deb, install, rm .deb, download... for when you don't have enough disk to fetch all the packages at once. :)`
`01:55.41`	`shoutmaya`	`if type ls -a "-rw-r--r-- 1 maya maya 12K 2005-07-05 07:36 test"`
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`01:55.51`	`shoutmaya`	`what is the number 1 ?`
`01:56.03`	`shoutmaya`	`left side of maya`
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`01:56.23`	`deja_vu`	`:X`
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`01:56.36`	`shoutmaya`	`hmm.`
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`01:57.12`	`cuti3`	`i forgot the command`
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`01:58.35`	`hxizan`	`my box come with 2 sata hdd running mdadm raid-1 and 1 cdrw`
`01:58.44`	`Atula`	`how's "yum" compares to "apt-get"?`
`01:59.10`	`hxizan`	`everytime I write 1 cd, I have to use dev=ATA ...`
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`01:59.44`	`hxizan`	`how I can eliminate ATA when write cd`
`02:00.44`	`cinix`	`cuti3, what's the encrypted password do?`
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`02:01.03`	`cuti3`	`md5 passwd mismatch`
`02:01.11`	`hxizan`	`even I tried with /etc/default/cdrecord file but it doesn't work`
`02:02.12`	`Strider`	`Is there a rdp (remote desktop protocol) SERVER for linux. I'm not getting any hits.`
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`02:03.10`	`pipeline`	`Strider: Of course not. Where did you get that silly idea?`
`02:03.35`	`pipeline`	`Strider: Of course, to accomplish the same goals, there are X11 servers for windows.`
`02:03.57`	`mwilson`	`deadcat: Did you get the answer you wanted?`
`02:05.23`	`Strider`	`pipeline: where there's a will there's a way!`
`02:05.34`	`Strider`	`pipeline: do you know if vnc client will talk to rdp?`
`02:05.49`	`furrywolf`	`Strider: and when there's Bill, there's Pay.`
`02:06.08`	`Strider`	`furrywolf: lol`
`02:06.45`	`furrywolf`	`I strongly doubt vnc will talk to it. vnc, however, should run perfectly fine without it.`
`02:07.38`	`hxizan`	`how do I make use cdrecord without specify dev=ATA... ?`
`02:07.51`	`furrywolf`	`why not specify it?`
`02:08.02`	`deadcat`	`mwilson: no. not yet.`
`02:08.05`	`dvs`	`hxizan: You always have to specify "dev=" of some sort`
`02:08.17`	`deadcat`	`mwilson: cant find anything about firmware upgrade`
`02:08.36`	`hxizan`	`just dev=0,0,0 not dev=ATA ...`
`02:08.41`	`deadcat`	`mwilson: i am thinking about putting the airport card into a pcmcia slot and upgrade it that way.`
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`02:09.27`	`hxizan`	`my cd writer is /dev/hda`
`02:09.36`	`furrywolf`	`next task: what is a SMC2632W card, and can I make it work without having to compile a kernel? :)`
`02:09.41`	`gvandora`	`How do I check to see if a module is loaded for a network card? I've got two cards in my computer, but only one eth shows up.`
`02:09.55`	`rob_lt`	`lsmod`
`02:09.58`	`dvs`	`furrywolf: /exec -o lspci \| grep Eth`
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`02:10.11`	`furrywolf`	`dvs: it's a pcmcia wireless card of some form`
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`02:10.23`	`furrywolf`	`google finds conflicting mentions of what it is`
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`02:11.00`	`furrywolf`	`got it for $0.25 at a garage sale`
`02:11.49`	`furrywolf`	`(mentions of V1 and V2 versions on google, with different drivers)`
`02:12.01`	`furrywolf`	`prism or orinoco`
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`02:15.07`	`Supaplex`	`yes`
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`02:16.12`	`chealer`	`!rdp`
`02:16.12`	`chealer`	`dpkg: no, rdp is an acronym. ask me about remote desktop protocol or reliable datagram protocol`
`02:16.12`	`dpkg`	`rdp is probably an overloaded term or a protocol that provides reliable datagram service on top of the standard unreliable datagram service that IP provides. Sadly not among the most widely implemented TCP/IP protocols. remote desktop protocol(use the package rdesktop in linux)`
`02:16.12`	`dpkg`	`chealer: okay`
`02:17.25`	`chealer`	`25 cents? damn, do you live in deep africa?`
`02:17.29`	`w3rdn4`	`live karaoke soon in japanese on ay.radio`
`02:17.36`	`w3rdn4`	`High quality stream: http://216.55.159.37:8000/listen.pls`
`02:17.42`	`w3rdn4`	`Low quality stream (modem/isdn users): http://216.55.159.37:9000/listen.pls`
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`02:18.12`	`jetx`	`live karaoke wow`
`02:18.14`	`furrywolf`	`I go to a lot of garage sales. :)`
`02:18.26`	`gravity`	`wtf`
`02:18.36`	`furrywolf`	`someone want to ban him? :P`
`02:18.36`	`gravity`	`I can get live karaoke in a fucking bar up the street`
`02:18.49`	`jetx`	`!console gravity`
`02:19.02`	`gravity`	`jetx: :-)`
`02:19.04`	`jetx`	`!comfort gravity, even`
`02:19.05`	`dpkg`	`There, there, gravity, even. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`02:19.18`	`gravity`	`dpkg: I wuv you too`
`02:19.29`	`gravity`	`Hrm... that'd make a fun response`
`02:19.44`	`Draconicus`	`I can't seem to get any recording application to work with ALSA, but the mic works fine. They can't connect to the module, or something. Can somebody help accurately diagnose the problem and find a solution?`
`02:19.44`	`tung`	`anyone have a recommendation for cheap good video card?`
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`02:22.29`	`abrocadabro`	`I used to download phpbb2 from the website, now I have decided to make a transition to using debian packages, I have the latest packages installed? how can I get the debian packages to work with the current database I have on the system?`
`02:22.46`	`rob_lt`	`tung, nvidia support is much better for linux than ati. I would lean towards and entry level nvidia card.`
`02:24.03`	`furrywolf`	`I'm looking for a Radeon 9250... seems to be the fastest card supported by free drivers.`
`02:24.24`	`tung`	`thanks rob_lt`
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`02:25.53`	`kadigibox`	`wow netsplit`
`02:25.53`	`chealer`	`but when you don't have free 3D drivers and your 2D drivers are obfuscated, it's hard to be much better than anything`
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`02:27.05`	`kyu`	`Hi guys, i'm using a combination of exim and fetchmail, when i run fetchmail it onlysends me ten emails, and then waits for a while, the error log shows, 2005-07-10 19:43:31 1Drgm3-00015F-6h no immediate delivery: more than 10 messages received in one connection`
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`02:27.15`	`kyu`	`What config file do i need to tweak to change this setting?`
`02:27.20`	`Draconicus`	`Those things are fucking scary on big servers. O_o`
`02:27.31`	`Jeebus`	`is it realistically possible to do a debian install headlessly (preferably via ssh) - such as pressing a few known keys and starting up an ssh server, then doing the rest of the install via ssh?`
`02:27.49`	`jim`	`kyu: what program produced that log entry?`
`02:27.56`	`kyu`	`exim4 :)`
`02:28.18`	`jim`	`then it's probably some exim4 config`
`02:28.36`	`kyu`	`Well i guessed as much, dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4 doesn't ask me a damn thing though >:)`
`02:29.01`	`kyu`	`Do i need to edit the config by hand? The /etc/exim4 dir contains alot of files, i grepped through them but couldn't see much`
`02:29.05`	`chealer`	`kyu: try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
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`02:29.14`	`kyu`	`sec :)`
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`02:29.30`	`jim`	`I'm assumuing that since exim4 produced the log, exim4 is what is causing your situation`
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`02:30.16`	`Jymmm`	`anyone remember the name of that lil util to look at the runlevels and process started?`
`02:30.23`	`Jeebus`	`top?`
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`02:30.35`	`chealer`	`Jymmm: rcconf&`
`02:30.38`	`chealer`	`Jymmm: rcconf?`
`02:31.08`	`Jymmm`	`should that need to be installed?`
`02:31.22`	`rob_lt`	`What option when doing a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config will disable exim4 from starting at boot? I don't need a mta on this machine.`
`02:31.34`	`chealer`	`Jymmm: presumably, if it's not installed`
`02:31.42`	`rob_lt`	`internet site?`
`02:31.44`	`lilliput`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:31.47`	`dvs`	`rob_lt: Why not remove it?`
`02:31.49`	`Jymmm`	`chealer thanls`
`02:31.58`	`lilliput`	`hello sorry :)`
`02:32.22`	`Jymmm`	`rob_lt: Heh, I need to stop exim and a whole lot of other stuff too =)`
`02:32.27`	`kyu`	`well, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config doesn't ask me anything about the number of emails one connection is allowed to send`
`02:32.29`	`rob_lt`	`dvs, I dunno? It gets installed as a dep of something, since I never explicitely install it myself.`
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`02:32.37`	`kyu`	`So i'll bust out emacs and take a loog at the man pages`
`02:32.44`	`gvandora`	`exit`
`02:32.45`	`kyu`	`unless someone knows roughly what the var is called?`
`02:32.49`	`fuckejaj_`	`help`
`02:33.30`	`dvs`	`rob_lt: Well, you can use update-rc.d to stop it`
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`02:34.19`	`Draconicus`	`I'll repeat my previous question for the sake of it being seen.`
`02:34.25`	`Draconicus`	`I can't seem to get any recording application to work with ALSA, but the mic works fine. They can't connect to the module, or something. Can somebody help accurately diagnose the problem and find a solution?`
`02:34.34`	`rob_lt`	`dvs, but then if there is an update, all of a sudden it is back again. I don't like that about the upgrade process.`
`02:34.44`	`kyu`	`!repeater Draconicus`
`02:34.55`	`kyu`	`blah, i told you dpkg fucking hates me`
`02:34.56`	`kyu`	`;)`
`02:35.08`	`Draconicus`	`There was a huge split. How was I supposed to expect and answer if it was waaay back in people's buffers?`
`02:35.09`	`atrus`	`kyu: i'm confused. fetchmail retrieves your mail from a pop/imap server, that shouldn't have anything to do with exim, should it?`
`02:35.21`	`Draconicus`	`an*`
`02:35.27`	`Draconicus`	`My point exactly.`
`02:35.35`	`kyu`	`atrus, it downloads the mail and then uses the local mts to send it to the user`
`02:35.44`	`atrus`	`kyu: ah.`
`02:35.46`	`Jymmm`	`kyu: Hey, you're right! I just found secretly_hate_kyu.deb`
`02:35.48`	`kyu`	`mta, even`
`02:35.54`	`Draconicus`	`And ideas, furrywolf? :)`
`02:36.16`	`furrywolf`	`Draconicus: yes, but none of them involving alsa. :P`
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`02:37.37`	`Jymmm`	`chealer ok, it wasn't rcconf. this actually should you all the runlevels and what was being started on each.`
`02:38.23`	`atrus`	`kyu: googling your error messages yields: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/FAQ_0.html#TOC49`
`02:38.24`	`nse`	`hello people. i recently logged into a ftp and i'm sending a file with "put" but the file is too large and my ftp is stopped while sending it, is there a way to do other things is the same account now or i have to wait it?`
`02:38.34`	`rob_lt`	`why does atd need a mta installed??? Removing exim4 also removes atd, which I want to keep.`
`02:38.42`	`furrywolf`	`grr. still can't find if this card is going to work with a stock debian install.`
`02:38.50`	`chealer`	`Jymmm: it operated in CLI, right?`
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`02:39.00`	`dvs`	`furrywolf: Why not load discover?`
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`02:39.07`	`Wyzard`	`rob_lt: It mails you the output of the program it runs`
`02:39.16`	`Jymmm`	`chealer iirc ,yeah`
`02:39.50`	`rob_lt`	`Wyzard, hrmm.... is there something like a "nodeps" option to apt that I can install atd and not have the mail feature?`
`02:39.51`	`Wyzard`	`rob_lt: It's not a good idea in general to not have an MTA... various system stuff will send you mail at times, sometimes important`
`02:39.59`	`furrywolf`	`dvs: I'm googling while waiting for an apt-get upgrade to finish...`
`02:40.03`	`rob_lt`	`Wyzard, ok, fair enough`
`02:40.05`	`nvz`	`furrywolf: what, a wifi carD?`
`02:40.05`	`kyu`	`Thank you atrus`
`02:40.15`	`furrywolf`	`nvz: yep`
`02:40.38`	`nvz`	`kudos to those who get to netinstall with wifi`
`02:40.46`	`dvs`	`furrywolf: ?? discover is a Debian package.`
`02:40.47`	`furrywolf`	`SMC2632W. google is being rather useless, as there seems to be at least 3 or 4 versions of the card, with completely different chipsets.`
`02:40.55`	`nvz`	`havent tried it yet myself`
`02:41.20`	`chealer`	`Jymmm: I have no clue`
`02:41.28`	`furrywolf`	`debian's installed. right now (and for the last hour or so) I've been waiting for an apt-get upgrade to finish. things take a while on this laptop. :)`
`02:41.28`	`nvz`	`mainly because I still go out of my way to use ethernet cables over wifi whenever possible`
`02:41.32`	`Jymmm`	`chealer ok thanks, appreciated!`
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`02:41.54`	`Draconicus`	`Well, I'm not going back to OSS. That gave me hell, and ALSA apps don't get along with any attempt at its emulation. ALSA has very nice OSS emulation, though.`
`02:41.58`	`furrywolf`	`I don't have an access point. right now it's plugged in with a good 'ol' ethernet cable.`
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`02:42.28`	`nvz`	`furrywolf: oh so you installed with cd or something, just want to get it working post-install?`
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`02:43.15`	`furrywolf`	`nvz: you don't want to know how I installed it. it took 2 days. let's just start by saying the laptop has no cdrom or floppy, nor does it have support for either. :)`
`02:43.40`	`dvs`	`furrywolf: keyboard? ;-)`
`02:43.52`	`furrywolf`	`and sarge install wouldn't boot; had to use woody.`
`02:44.05`	`nse`	`hello everybody. i'm sending a file to and ftp. i can't type nothing until the upload is finished. is there a way to do other things in that session? like an ls in the dir which i'm sending the file to ?`
`02:44.23`	`Jymmm`	`furrywolf : Are you sure you didn't have one too many and installed on the blender instead of the laptop?`
`02:44.37`	`furrywolf`	`nse: in standard ftp, no. use lftp. it lets you do things like that.`
`02:45.17`	`furrywolf`	`Jymmm: it's a pentium/120 sub-notebook thingy... 8" screen, which is the biggest they could have fit. the keyboard is so tiny that even with my fingers scrunched up, my hands are wider than the keyboard. :)`
`02:45.42`	`nse`	`furrywolf: ok. so i'll have to wait`
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`02:47.06`	`furrywolf`	`pentium/120, 48mb ram, 1.5gb disk, 800x600 16bit lcd display... $1 at garage sale. :)`
`02:47.06`	`Draconicus`	`Alas...`
`02:47.06`	`Draconicus`	`WOW.`
`02:47.16`	`GoatRoby`	`If I install some kind of service like apache, does apt take care of creating the appropriate start-up file in /etc/init.d or wherever?`
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`02:47.28`	`Draconicus`	`Nice catch. Ideal for something old to play with. :)`
`02:47.29`	`furrywolf`	`GoatRoby: yes`
`02:47.35`	`dvs`	`GoatRoby: yup`
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`02:47.46`	`ke6isf`	`Wow, network's fun tonight.`
`02:47.48`	`Draconicus`	`EEP.`
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`02:47.51`	`GoatRoby`	`furrywolf: dvs: thanks`
`02:47.57`	`dvs`	`GoatRoby: no prob`
`02:48.02`	`furrywolf`	`Draconicus: it's very, very little. the 8" screen should give you an idea of the size. :)`
`02:48.19`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: Still having trouble. Gonna try a couple more things; worst case, I'll just pick up an sblive over at Worst Buy or something.`
`02:48.19`	`Draconicus`	`Teehee.`
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`02:48.34`	`furrywolf`	`it's actually an amazingly bright, sharp screen.`
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`02:49.02`	`cinix`	`ke6isf, circuit city sells a store brand soundcard, was at best buy today and all the soundcards I saw where $50+`
`02:49.05`	`furrywolf`	`and, at least according to the bios, it has cardbus support.`
`02:49.08`	`michal_`	`hi.. does anyone know how to generat an initrd image for an installed kernel?? the kernel is built with modules but there is no existing initrd image`
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`02:49.38`	`dvs`	`michal_: How was the kernel built?`
`02:50.08`	`michal_`	`dvs: with kernel package but presumably without initrd being specified`
`02:50.11`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: The sblive according to the BB site is $30.99. YMMV.`
`02:50.13`	`furrywolf`	`if you built it yourself, with drivers needed for your root fs compiled in, you don't need initrd...`
`02:50.31`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: Thanks for the pointer though - there's a Circuit City off of one bus for me.`
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`02:50.59`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: Just goes to prove that all you have to do for decent hardware is wait long enough.`
`02:51.01`	`michal_`	`furrywold: well i didn't build it myself and generic drivers are being used in place of the chipset specific module`
`02:51.23`	`cinix`	`sblive > circuit city sound card :) what's $10 for the better quality?`
`02:51.24`	`furrywolf`	`ke6isf: lol`
`02:51.36`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: Indeed.`
`02:51.49`	`ke6isf`	`cinix: Tell me, is the sblive an amplified card, or do you know?`
`02:51.53`	`cinix`	`I'm only saying that now because I'm pissed I can't get my circuit city soundcard to record worth a damn`
`02:52.05`	`cinix`	`it's all noisy, horrib,le`
`02:52.06`	`michal_`	`this bring me back to my original question`
`02:52.20`	`ke6isf`	`michal_: What's up?`
`02:52.27`	`cinix`	`ke6isf, no idea, but I have a cool 5V option for my card :) dunno if it works.`
`02:52.33`	`michal_`	`does anyone know how to generat an initrd image for an installed kernel with modules??`
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`02:52.43`	`michal_`	`generate rather`
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`02:53.30`	`dvs`	`michal_: Not without recompiling the kernel image`
`02:53.31`	`ionrivera`	`��hi guyz! it may not be related on our topic but kinda interesting.. anyone here who knows how to modify/set a customized "company icon" on the address bar of mozilla , opera, etc. browsers??`
`02:53.49`	`michal_`	`dvs: why would it be necessary to recompile the kernel?`
`02:53.52`	`Guerin`	`ionrivera: offtopic and uninsteresting.`
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`02:54.32`	`Guerin`	`doubt it's possible on opera without violating their license, anything's possible with mozilla, but you'd be better asking #mozilla irc.mozilla.org`
`02:54.44`	`dvs`	`michal_: So that the kernel image can include the stuff necessary to load the initrd image`
`02:55.28`	`michal_`	`dvs: what stuff? none of the stuff needs to be recompiled.. it all already exists.. just not in an initrd image`
`02:55.48`	`dvs`	`michal_: Then I don't know`
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`02:56.23`	`michal_`	`redhat has some sort of script that can generate an initrd image for the installed kernel.. i thought debian would have something similar`
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`02:56.35`	`Guerin`	`michal_: it does, naturally.`
`02:56.38`	`Strider`	`furrywolf: re smc card -smc site shows 3 different part numbers (which start with 99- ) and the download page has linux drivers`
`02:56.40`	`Strider`	`http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=downloads.doSearchCriteria&localeCode=EN_CAN&knowsPartNumber=false&productCategory=5&userPartNumber=smc2632w&modelNumber=413&partNumber=2709&downloadType=0&os=0`
`02:57.02`	`space_cow_boy`	`how can i clean out the director /var/cache/apt/archives/ ??? should I just cd to it and rm * ?`
`02:57.13`	`Guerin`	`space_cow_boy: man apt-get`
`02:57.19`	`Guerin`	`learn to use your damn tools`
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`02:58.16`	`furrywolf`	`if the drivers requiring compiling, I'm reasonably screwed. :)`
`02:58.33`	`sandip`	`I am using testing. Can anyone check the file /usr/share/pixmaps/k3b.xpm and tell me if it is looking dirty? I am trying to find out if there is a problem with my display or are some icons really pathetic?`
`02:58.50`	`mwilson`	`space_cow_boy: What makes you think you need to "clean" it, anyway? Do you usually just stroll around looking for things to delete?`
`02:59.02`	`sandip`	`ofcourse, if you are using k3b.`
`02:59.22`	`mwilson`	`sandip: Uh, it is an xpm file, after all.`
`02:59.52`	`sandip`	`mwilson: Even an xpm file doesnt look this bad`
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`03:03.13`	`chealer`	`sandip: it would be easier to ask if other people's file has the same content`
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`03:03.53`	`mwilson`	`sandip: Then bloody well draw a better one and contribute it, already. How do you think things get done, anyway?`
`03:04.14`	`mwilson`	`sandip: Or do you truly believe that yours would be different from, say, mine?`
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`03:04.44`	`sandip`	`mwilson: thanks for your advice. I have been using k3b for years. I am sure the icon looks better. I have recently shifted to debian from FC3.`
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`03:05.24`	`holycow`	`sandip, mind if i ask why the switch to debian?`
`03:05.30`	`holycow`	`not flaming or anything, just curious`
`03:05.52`	`mwilson`	`sandip: Yes, I'm sure you think so. Why you think that some random XPM is the actual icon for the application rather than whatever PNG the K3B upstream provides, though, I have no idea.`
`03:05.55`	`sandip`	`holycow: Just a personal/commercial decision.`
`03:06.14`	`mwilson`	`sandip: Unless you're whining about the fact that that Policy specifies an XPM has to be provided.`
`03:06.16`	`holycow`	`sandip, care to elaborate on the commercial bit?`
`03:06.52`	`holycow`	`i switched to debian from suse a few years ago because it was saner to administer, i'm always curious why others choose debian`
`03:06.53`	`sandip`	`mwilson: If you are considering my asking for a confirmation as whining, I cant belive we can talk much further on this.`
`03:07.39`	`sandip`	`holycow: I find a fluid distrib better for my clients whose servers I manage.`
`03:07.49`	`mwilson`	`sandip: You want confirmation that your XPM is the same as my XPM despite them both coming from the same package. I see.`
`03:08.01`	`mwilson`	`Do any of these people ever listen to themselves?`
`03:08.09`	`holycow`	`sandip, you run debian on server? nice`
`03:08.12`	`holycow`	`neat to hear`
`03:08.13`	`holycow`	`thx`
`03:08.23`	`dystopian`	`no. I'm convinced that don't mwilson`
`03:08.31`	`dystopian`	`they eve`
`03:08.33`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: If it looks horribly ugly, so bad that it's hard to believe someone would distribute it, it's not unreasonable to think the file might be damaged in some way`
`03:08.38`	`dystopian`	`ack even`
`03:08.50`	`sandip`	`holycow: Plus the constant taint of using Fc3, which the client feels is inferior because RH keeps marketing that RHEL is the enterprise grade system`
`03:09.12`	`Guerin`	`fc3 IS inferior`
`03:09.21`	`Guerin`	`RHEL is inferior too, but that's by the by`
`03:09.25`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: In which case even a sub-literate would just get another copy of the XPM from the deb.`
`03:09.39`	`GoatRoby`	`I don't know if the internet install of debian include syslog... doesn't seem to... should i install syslog-ng or inetutils-syslogd ?`
`03:09.43`	`mwilson`	`Wyzard: Oh, wait, no doubt then the deb would be corrupted too, all the way back to the mirror, right?`
`03:10.06`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: A sub-literate introvert who's afraid to ask a casual question on IRC for fear someone might bite his head off, maybe :-)`
`03:10.12`	`jetx`	`hey if nfs is insecure, what should/might i use, that IS secure?`
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`03:10.31`	`Guerin`	`jetx: nfs is only as insecure as its administrator`
`03:10.36`	`Wyzard`	`and its network`
`03:10.46`	`MobyTurbo`	`GoatRoby: it definitely does install a system logger.`
`03:10.51`	`jetx`	`over the inTERnet, not loca`
`03:10.53`	`mwilson`	`GoatRoby: You got the idea that Debian doesn't include syslogkd from...?`
`03:10.54`	`jetx`	`l`
`03:10.54`	`Guerin`	`that being the responsibility of, perhaps, a different admin, yeah.`
`03:11.09`	`Guerin`	`jetx: sftp`
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`03:11.14`	`MobyTurbo`	`mwilson: Gentoo doesn't include a default system logger.`
`03:11.18`	`jetx`	`thx`
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`03:11.27`	`sandip`	`Guerin: Being inferior is a matter of opinion, and based on the need at hand. When an FCn suffices for years without creating problems, and when it can give a pretty decent modern desktop, i believe it should suffice.`
`03:11.30`	`mwilson`	`MobyTurbo: How amazing is it that we're not discussing Gentoo, huh?`
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`03:11.49`	`MobyTurbo`	`mwilson: I was just trying to answer your question.`
`03:11.50`	`Guerin`	`sandip: even inferior things can 'suffice'`
`03:12.00`	`Wyzard`	`MobyTurbo: Doesn't mandate a particular one, but the installation guide gives you a choice of three and tells you to pick one and install it, IIRC`
`03:12.05`	`mwilson`	`MobyTurbo: And what question did I ask that related at all to Gentoo?`
`03:12.20`	`MobyTurbo`	`GoatRoby: You got the idea that Debian doesn't include`
`03:12.22`	`MobyTurbo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:12.24`	`sandip`	`Guerin: Clarification -> desktop on server needed for client, who runs a Win2k server by the side`
`03:12.26`	`zoomnap`	`I have extneral USB drive and I have it in fstab and everything, but I still have to mount it manually each time I boot. This is fstab entry: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0`
`03:12.38`	`revenger`	`http://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?MarkusRechberger/USB/em2820 .. any idea how to fix up that screwed video at the end of that website?`
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`03:12.47`	`zoomnap`	`it works fine after I mount it by hand but it's sad ;(`
`03:12.54`	`Guerin`	`sandip: i'm not concerned with or familiar with the context here, i'm speaking in general terms.`
`03:13.05`	`GoatRoby`	`MobyTurbo: I didn't see that one, that syslog is good enough right?`
`03:13.11`	`sandip`	`Guerin: oh ok.`
`03:13.13`	`Wyzard`	`mwilson: No, it doesn't leave you without a system logger`
`03:13.14`	`MobyTurbo`	`mwilson: nu, I'm not a Gentoo user.`
`03:13.17`	`Guerin`	`zoomnap: auto in the options field`
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`03:13.28`	`dystopian`	`later`
`03:13.39`	`mwilson`	`MobyTurbo: I didn't think so... after all, you have a brain.`
`03:13.40`	`Guerin`	`zoomnap: defaults might imply that, but it's worth checking`
`03:14.09`	`zoomnap`	`cool, thanks Guerin. Yeah, all of my others mount automatically and they don't have auto some that mount automatically have noauto`
`03:15.00`	`MobyTurbo`	`GoatRoby: it works fine, the increase in performance by the non-standard system loggers isn't worth the hassle of having a system logger that doesn't output stuff; tail -f or recalling what caused a crash are broken in buffered system loggers.`
`03:15.39`	`MobyTurbo`	`s/output stuff/output stuff in a timely fashion/`
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`03:17.34`	`jetx`	`lies!`
`03:17.48`	`sandip`	`MobyTurbo: Speaking of syslogd, is there a way to make it stop suppressing repeated messages? Quite irritating when you are debugging something.`
`03:18.32`	`GoatRoby`	`MobyTurbo: cool, anyidea what it is that makes mouse work in console?`
`03:18.47`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`ppl is there a pointer/link to a good and fast administration guide.`
`03:19.34`	`MobyTurbo`	`GoatRoby: apt-get install gpm`
`03:19.34`	`Guerin`	`mina_linux_Tux: administration of what?`
`03:19.46`	`furrywolf`	`ARGH! WHAT THE BLOODY HELL?!!! I did an apt-get upgrade, which among other things, fetched a new version of lilo... and now the box won't boot.`
`03:19.53`	`GoatRoby`	`MobyTurbo: thanks`
`03:20.02`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`Guerin: debian system administration`
`03:20.34`	`furrywolf`	`upgrading lilo should NOT have broken a working config`
`03:20.34`	`Guerin`	`mina_linux_Tux: system administration is not something for which there exists a 'fast guide'`
`03:21.04`	`sandip`	`furrywolf: Did you rerun lilo after upgrading? if not, then mere upgrading should have caused the problem`
`03:21.15`	`Guerin`	`mina_linux_Tux: you can start by reading the debian reference, ask dpkg about it`
`03:21.18`	`furrywolf`	`sandip: I didn't. it might have. I wasn't watching it.`
`03:21.20`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`Guerin: so a good guide not a fast one ?`
`03:21.31`	`gravity`	`mina_linux_Tux: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference`
`03:21.38`	`gravity`	`mina_linux_Tux: That's your best bet I suppose`
`03:21.38`	`furrywolf`	`all I know is the box that booted just fine before is now a paperweight.`
`03:21.41`	`Guerin`	`mina_linux_Tux: a good one would probably be the Bible - whjich you can find on amazon`
`03:21.42`	`furrywolf`	`damnit, brb`
`03:21.53`	`sandip`	`furrywolf: even running lilo shouldnt, actually. Unless you got a new kernel which doesnt boot.`
`03:22.11`	`mwilson`	`furrywolf: Why wouldn't you have supervised what the box was doing?`
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`03:22.14`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`Guerin: what's its full name plz`
`03:22.20`	`litage`	`when using 3.1 on a production system, what reasons are there for changing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6?`
`03:22.27`	`michal_`	`in what files in the initrd image does it specify which ide driver should be used? it's loading an "incorrect" driver and when the correct driver tries to load it doesn't work.. or if a generic driver is built into the kenrel is it IMPOSSIBLE to use a module for the ide driver?`
`03:22.35`	`Guerin`	`mina_linux_Tux: The Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible`
`03:22.37`	`sandip`	`furrywolf: The lilo in MBR, will not be touched by upgrading.`
`03:22.40`	`Guerin`	`i believe`
`03:22.42`	`mwilson`	`litage: Are there any?`
`03:22.51`	`litage`	`mwilson: i don't know, that's why i'm asking`
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`03:23.27`	`mwilson`	`litage: You're the one who seems to think a change is necessary.`
`03:23.36`	`Guerin`	`litage: 2.6 supports newer, shinier stuff and has some performance boosts - but if 2.4 is working, there's no reason to change.`
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`03:23.45`	`michal_`	`ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14`
`03:23.46`	`Draconicus`	`I can't seem to get any recording application to work with ALSA, but the mic works fine. They can't connect to the module, or something. Can somebody help accurately diagnose the problem and find a solution?`
`03:23.52`	`michal_`	`SIS5513: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0`
`03:23.53`	`Jeebus`	`if I make a complete debian install inside a chroot that resides on partition y where my root partition is partition x, and I nuke partition x but have a shell open in partition y, can I still run executables on partition y, or does all hell break loose?`
`03:23.56`	`offby1`	`I get the feeling that aptitude will always want to remove any packages that it didn't install. I.e. if I do "apt-get install foo", and then later run aptitude, it'll mark 'foo' as unused. Am I right, or am I misunderstanding?`
`03:23.59`	`Draconicus`	`Again, pardon the repeat. A lot of people were victims of netsplitting earlier.`
`03:24.01`	`chealer`	`2.6 has performance boosts and performance antiboosts`
`03:24.07`	`scarynetworkguy`	`Sys/net administration is a profession and a highly skilled craft it is not something you learn from a guide, ffs.`
`03:24.09`	`michal_`	`is there any way around that without rebuilding the kernel?`
`03:24.30`	`chealer`	`offby1: you're right`
`03:24.38`	`chealer`	`!tell offby1 about aptitude`
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`03:25.04`	`Fenix-Dark`	`hi`
`03:25.09`	`chealer`	`offby1: aptitude doesn't mix well/decently with other package managers`
`03:25.11`	`sandip`	`scarynetworkguy: but you got to start somewhere, right?`
`03:25.17`	`Fenix-Dark`	`i wanna install debian, how many cd's do i need for the installation?`
`03:25.21`	`offby1`	`chealer: thanks, it's nice to know I wasn't imagining it`
`03:25.33`	`gravity`	`Fenix-Dark: Just download the netinst CD`
`03:25.34`	`chealer`	`Fenix-Dark: only 1, or more if you want specific things`
`03:25.35`	`pureone`	`fenix-dark 1 really`
`03:25.38`	`MobyTurbo`	`scarynetworkguy: system administration is definitely not learned by someone who can't use google and amazon.`
`03:25.38`	`Fenix-Dark`	`cause i found binaries 1-14`
`03:25.46`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ok`
`03:25.48`	`scarynetworkguy`	`MobyTurbo: Damn straight.`
`03:25.49`	`mwilson`	`Fenix-Dark: What does the installation guide say you need?`
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`03:26.07`	`mwilson`	`Fenix-Dark: Oh, let me guess... you don't think you should have to read that, right?`
`03:26.12`	`Fenix-Dark`	`mwilson, lol`
`03:26.15`	`sandip`	`MobyTurbo: Structured reading helps far more than scattered, need based studying`
`03:26.22`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`chealer: what's a performance boosts ?`
`03:26.22`	`mwilson`	`Was I joking?`
`03:26.22`	`Fenix-Dark`	`i didn't know there was a guide`
`03:26.31`	`mwilson`	`You didn't look, you mean.`
`03:26.43`	`Fenix-Dark`	`mwilson, yup, i didnt bother looking for a guide`
`03:26.55`	`michal_`	`does CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=y make it impossible to use a non-generic driver for the root fs?`
`03:27.01`	`Fenix-Dark`	`i figured such a quick question wouldn't be that much of an inconvienience`
`03:27.08`	`chealer`	`mina_linux_Tux: I was commenting Guerin's answer to litage that 2.6 had performance boosts over 2.4. performance boosts would be performance improvements`
`03:27.16`	`scarynetworkguy`	`sandip: Yes. But "I want a guide/book that will teach me the craft in 30 minutes or less" is so far from where you start that you can't even see the right way from there.`
`03:27.22`	`gravity`	`Fenix-Dark: Just go for the netinst CD. It's like 4 megs and will let you download everything you actually want on install, rather than a bunch of stuff you might not want to waste your time with`
`03:27.31`	`gravity`	`Fenix-Dark: You should definitely have a look at the installation guide though`
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`03:27.32`	`MobyTurbo`	`sandip: structured reading won't help someone who can't look up "Linux system administration" on google or a bookstore site.`
`03:27.33`	`sandip`	`scarynetworkguy: I agree with you there.`
`03:27.39`	`Fenix-Dark`	`gravity, ok thanks`
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`03:27.43`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`chealer: thanks got it`
`03:27.48`	`chealer`	`the netinst is more 100 MB than 4 MB`
`03:27.51`	`vchrizz`	`can it be, that my server went off, just because i did an apt-get install tcpdump and afterwards just started tcpdump without options?`
`03:27.55`	`gravity`	`Really? 100? Ok`
`03:28.02`	`gravity`	`Shows you how often I download the thing :-p`
`03:28.10`	`chealer`	`yeah. the business card is around 50 I believe`
`03:28.14`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`MobyTurbo: do you mean practice is needed for administration ?`
`03:28.18`	`gravity`	`I think the biz card is slated to die`
`03:28.20`	`litage`	`chealer: i noticed that after switching to 2.6, there's 1-2 seconds of lag when changing desktops in kde and updating the wallpaper`
`03:28.27`	`sandip`	`MobyTurbo: But isnt asking for an opinion on a good boot to start with , in about dozens of book on the subject, should be harmless, no?`
`03:28.29`	`chealer`	`gravity: you're that gentoo troll, right? ;)`
`03:28.35`	`gravity`	`Yeah, that's me :-)`
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`03:28.46`	`litage`	`chealer: whereas with 2.4 it was instantaneous`
`03:28.49`	`sandip`	`s/boot/book/`
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`03:29.44`	`Strider`	`fuzzywolf: if smc amtel chipset -> http://www.wireless.org.au/~jhecker/atmeldrv/`
`03:29.46`	`Fenix-Dark`	`by default, does debian use lilo or grub, and do you need to configure it yourself?`
`03:29.46`	`MobyTurbo`	`mina_linux_Tux: if you can't do anything when researching stuff but ask an IRC channel about something you can find on google then you aren't ready to be any kind of system adminsistrator.`
`03:29.57`	`gravity`	`Fenix-Dark: grub and not really`
`03:30.01`	`sandip`	`Fenix-Dark: Sarge installed grub for me`
`03:30.04`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ok`
`03:30.11`	`gentgeen__`	`anyone know the package for Apache2 module 'mod_include.c' so I can use XBitHack?`
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`03:30.40`	`MobyTurbo`	`administrator*`
`03:30.41`	`Jeebus`	`but you really don't get the linux experience if you don't have to thrash around with configuring lilo`
`03:30.49`	`space_cow_boy`	`when I run du, I get a negative number for 1k-blocks. What does this mean?`
`03:30.59`	`chealer`	`litage: I can't comment on this. I use 2.6 myself and there are definitely occasions where it behaves strangely. for example when the screensaver starts the music playing is interrupted for maybe a second`
`03:31.12`	`space_cow_boy`	`oops, df, when I run df, I get a negative number for 1k blocks`
`03:31.12`	`mina_linux_Tux`	`MobyTurbo: yes u r right`
`03:31.16`	`chealer`	`litage: I have no idea if 2.4 would be better though`
`03:31.17`	`MobyTurbo`	`!u`
`03:31.17`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`03:31.18`	`Strider`	`furrywolf: if smc amtel chipset -> http://www.wireless.org.au/~jhecker/atmeldrv/`
`03:31.20`	`MobyTurbo`	`!r`
`03:31.20`	`dpkg`	`[r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS!`
`03:31.27`	`sandip`	`gentgreen: apache-common?`
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`03:32.03`	`space_cow_boy`	`:) does "r" have a pirate as it's mascot?`
`03:32.09`	`sandip`	`gentgreen:apache2-common, actually`
`03:32.12`	`gentgeen__`	`sandip, got that one already :-) does not seem to be it :-)`
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`03:32.14`	`MobyTurbo`	`space_cow_boy: heh`
`03:32.19`	`Fenix-Dark`	`is going for the 64-bit version of debian worth it?`
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`03:32.54`	`sandip`	`gentgreen: dpkg -S /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_include.so gives me that.`
`03:33.33`	`gentgeen__`	`mmmm, the .so might be it -- my config has .o`
`03:33.40`	`furrywolf`	`well fucking great. my laptop is now a brick.`
`03:33.53`	`Fenix-Dark`	`furrywolf, lol`
`03:33.54`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: Uh oh, what happened?`
`03:34.00`	`Fenix-Dark`	`what'd u do to it?`
`03:34.04`	`MobyTurbo`	`!lol`
`03:34.04`	`dpkg`	`lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg`
`03:34.11`	`space_cow_boy`	`anybody have an idea wht is wrong with my disk? df says I have a negative number of 1k blocks, and when I delete stuff, I don't get any extra space (so it seems)`
`03:34.12`	`furrywolf`	`ke6isf: apt-get upgrade upgraded lilo in a non-functioning fashion.`
`03:34.14`	`MobyTurbo`	`Fenix-Dark: and don't make me use !u again`
`03:34.19`	`gravity`	`furrywolf: :-(`
`03:34.30`	`gravity`	`furrywolf: Can you boot it with a livecd and fix lilo?`
`03:34.31`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: Dude, rescu... oh yeah, no removable media. Fuck.`
`03:34.42`	`gravity`	`Oh crap... no removable media at all?`
`03:34.44`	`ke6isf`	`gravity: No removable media.`
`03:34.49`	`Fenix-Dark`	`MobyTurbo, fair enough`
`03:34.50`	`gravity`	`That sucks hardcore..`
`03:34.53`	`space_cow_boy`	`df says I am using 38% of my disk, but dpkg bombs, and says I have no space left when I try to install something`
`03:34.54`	`ke6isf`	`gravity: He had to do a rube goldberg to get it installed.`
`03:34.57`	`gravity`	`Oh man`
`03:35.09`	`Draconicus`	`Alas. No ALSA help. :(`
`03:35.14`	`MerlinCorey`	`space_cow_boy: alas`
`03:35.18`	`sandip`	`furrywolf: Use grub on a disk to boot the laptop.`
`03:35.35`	`ke6isf`	`sandip: NO REMOVABLE MEDIA.`
`03:35.36`	`furrywolf`	`I installed a new kernel, which was booting and working perfectly. apt-get upgrade replaced my working lilo with a lilo that stops at "LI". normally this would be an easy fix (although why did it break during an upgrade from a working config?), but with no removable media...`
`03:35.38`	`sandip`	`urk, no removable media.`
`03:35.40`	`michal_`	`linux kernel doesn't seem to be flexible enough to allow choosing ide driver at boot :/`
`03:35.52`	`GoatRoby`	`My dhcpd is trying to server on both eth0 (internet) as well as eth1 (lan) but I only want it to deal with lan, how do i specify this?`
`03:35.54`	`gravity`	`I've never seen a laptop with no removable media before`
`03:36.02`	`michal_`	`at least I can't find such an option in ide.txt`
`03:36.02`	`Fenix-Dark`	`furrywolf, shell out $20 for a usb cdrom drive and $10 for a usb floppy drive then fix your computer`
`03:36.06`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: You'll have to pull the disk out and mount it into another box in order to get it working again. =O.o=`
`03:36.16`	`furrywolf`	`gravity: panasonic cf-m31 subnotebook.`
`03:36.24`	`gravity`	`furrywolf: Old?`
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`03:36.49`	`Draconicus`	`sandip: What kind of harddrive does it have?`
`03:36.56`	`furrywolf`	`ke6isf: yeah, but that's $20 I can't spare. $1 is a good deal for a laptop, $21 isn't. so after two days of work, it's now a brick.`
`03:37.08`	`sandip`	`GoatRuby: do you have multiple subnet declarations?`
`03:37.14`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: That was Fenix-Dark.`
`03:37.23`	`sandip`	`Draconius: I dont have the problem.`
`03:37.37`	`furrywolf`	`Fenix-Dark: this laptop doesn't have USB. and I suspect that a pcmcia usb card won't be bootable.`
`03:37.53`	`Fenix-Dark`	`u can try a parallel port cdrom drive`
`03:38.01`	`furrywolf`	`ke6isf: ah, yes. I saw the two lines together, and thought you were suggesting I spend $20 on a laptop -> normal IDE adapter. :P`
`03:38.07`	`GoatRoby`	`sandip: no, only one for 192.168.0.0 ... starting dhcp complains that it wants a subnet for the internet interface as well`
`03:38.08`	`furrywolf`	`Fenix-Dark: no parallel port.`
`03:38.09`	`MobyTurbo`	`!u`
`03:38.10`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`03:38.17`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: Ah, good point. Though, I've seen them for like $5.`
`03:38.34`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: You'll have to start a fresh install, then. Ouch.`
`03:38.43`	`gravity`	`furrywolf: At least bricks are heavy. I bet you could get your money's worth by throwing it at some annoying children or something`
`03:38.46`	`furrywolf`	`can't start a fresh install`
`03:38.47`	`cmatheson`	`i think i may have killed my install... i'm trying to dual-boot my parents computer w/ windows and linux (the windows 2000 was just too slow on this old hardware)... the problem is that now when my computer boots it says 'Loading Grub' and then just stops... what's the best way to recover from this?`
`03:38.57`	`furrywolf`	`with no bootable media, how am I to install again?`
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`03:39.02`	`sandip`	`michal_: sometimes it does. a boot parameter, hdc=ide-scsi does it.`
`03:39.03`	`gravity`	`No USB ports?`
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`03:39.23`	`furrywolf`	`what pisses me off most is this has to be a bug... an unattended upgrade of lilo should NOT render a box unbootable.`
`03:39.33`	`furrywolf`	`gravity: no usb.`
`03:39.39`	`gravity`	`Jesus`
`03:39.50`	`ke6isf`	`Well, look at the bright side, it was a $1 doorstop.`
`03:39.54`	`furrywolf`	`the only way to fix it is going to be buying an adapter.`
`03:39.54`	`gravity`	`"My laptop has, literally, not a single port on it!"`
`03:40.02`	`furrywolf`	`gravity: it has a pcmcia slot. :P`
`03:40.31`	`cmatheson`	`er, i guess my question is (this is some crap on google i'm seeing), is it not possible to boot windows 2000 from grub, and have i screwed my mbr forever?`
`03:40.34`	`sandip`	`furrywolf: the problem might be elsewhere. LI during boot has a particular meaning, iremember reading it somewhere.`
`03:41.02`	`furrywolf`	`sandip: yes, it means there's a geometry problem. but a working config should not become a non-booting config during an upgrade.`
`03:41.07`	`ke6isf`	`Where in tarnations is gdomap from?`
`03:41.21`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: Lilo can be a bit touchy sometimes.`
`03:41.24`	`sandip`	`cmatheson: Actually it is saner to make wiin2k nt loader load linux instead`
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`03:41.44`	`furrywolf`	`ke6isf: but as I said. it's not good for a working install to die during an upgrade. :P`
`03:41.50`	`ke6isf`	`furrywolf: True enough.`
`03:42.29`	`furrywolf`	`as far as I can tell, I'm rather thouroughly screwed. the only way I can see to fix it is buying an adapter, and taking the laptop apart to pull out the hard drive.`
`03:42.37`	`michal_`	`sandip: how would one do it for sis5513 then??? hda=sis5513 ? I`
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`03:43.12`	`furrywolf`	`followed by filing a bug report against lilo`
`03:43.14`	`sandip`	`michal_: not sure. havent tried it on non-CDdrives`
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`03:43.51`	`Fenix-Dark`	`i'm about to install debian off the netintsall cd, do i need a special boot option so it can see my sata hdd?`
`03:44.09`	`sandip`	`michal_ are you sure that is the driver? I dont see it under ide/`
`03:44.17`	`michal_`	`sandip: i think the ONLY paramater which works like that is ide-scsi :/`
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`03:44.41`	`michal_`	`sandip: yes i'm sure. what kernel are you looking at?`
`03:44.46`	`Hostile`	`Fenix-Dark, dont think so`
`03:44.54`	`Fenix-Dark`	`Hostile, okay thanks`
`03:44.58`	`sandip`	`michal_: sorry, it is there under ide/pci`
`03:45.21`	`Hostile`	`winxp doesnt have the configurable bootloader does it?`
`03:45.26`	`furrywolf`	`and looks like the adapter is going to set me back $10 on ebay. fucking hell. this is where the "not liable for incidental or consequential damages" part of the gpl gets annoying.`
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`03:45.56`	`furrywolf`	`because of a bug in lilo and/or the lilo package, I'm out ten bucks.`
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`03:46.04`	`sandip`	`Hostile: you mean ntldr? it does. i dualboot my laptop using winXp/Ubuntu`
`03:46.17`	`Hostile`	`sandip, using the windows bootloader?`
`03:46.25`	`sandip`	`Hostile: yes`
`03:46.44`	`GoatRoby`	`I need to run a local dns server for the machines on the lan that use my machine as the gateway to the internet... should i use bind or is there a simple one available?`
`03:46.45`	`Hostile`	`sandip, hmm I have 2 linux installs and winxp...whats better the winxp loader or lilo?`
`03:46.49`	`michal_`	`sandip: currently I get SIS5513: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0`
`03:46.57`	`michal_`	`sandip: for ide1 as well`
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`03:47.31`	`Hackel`	`I've got a rather old server here that keeps generating all these defunct processes. Simple commands like ls or mv will work, but remain in the ps list as defunt for some time...any idea why this might be?`
`03:47.36`	`sandip`	`Hostile: if you use winxp boot loader, atleast the crappy XP doesnt feel like rewriting the boot sector from time to time`
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`03:47.58`	`Hostile`	`sandip, hmm never had that happen?`
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`03:47.59`	`cinix`	furrywolf, :`\|
`03:48.02`	`Hostile`	`wait no ?`
`03:48.04`	`cmatheson`	`sandip: hmm, is there any way to get the win2k loader back?`
`03:48.06`	`cinix`	`what happened now?`
`03:48.14`	`Guerin`	`furrywolf: oh, ten bucks.`
`03:48.25`	`furrywolf`	`cinix: I did an apt-get upgrade. it installed a new copy of lilo. now it doesn't boot.`
`03:48.42`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: What branch of Debian are you running?`
`03:48.48`	`furrywolf`	`Guerin: maybe you have the luxury of spending money randomly. not all of us have that.`
`03:48.50`	`Guerin`	`furrywolf: complain to people who are out hundreds of millions because of windows worms`
`03:48.53`	`sandip`	`cmatheson: There is a howto somewhere in M$ site only, to recover the MBR ;)`
`03:49.02`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: sarge`
`03:49.03`	`nevyn`	`fdisk /mbr`
`03:49.05`	`furrywolf`	`("stable")`
`03:49.08`	`Guerin`	`furrywolf: come on, dude, it's ten bucks.`
`03:49.24`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: Bullshit.`
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`03:49.32`	`cinix`	`lol`
`03:49.35`	`airlynx`	`can someone help a complete newb, I have gaim_1.2.1_1.3_i386.deb in my home folder, but I don't know how to install it`
`03:49.42`	`cinix`	`you are scary`
`03:49.53`	`MobyTurbo`	`!aolify cinix`
`03:49.56`	`ke6isf`	`airlynx: what distro?`
`03:50.01`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, dpkg -i gaim_1.2.1_1.3_i386.deb`
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`03:50.07`	`cmatheson`	`sandip: arg... searching the enemies website haha`
`03:50.13`	`furrywolf`	`Guerin: I dumped the gas from the lawnmower into my car, because I couldn't afford $5 of gas. I had to debate whether to spend $1 for the laptop. I don't have $10. thus the laptop is not being fixed.`
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`03:50.14`	`cmatheson`	`sandip: thanks, i'll check it out`
`03:50.16`	`nevyn`	`airlynx: sudo dpkg -i gaim_1.3.1_1.3_i386.deb`
`03:50.27`	`Guerin`	`...`
`03:50.28`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: bullshit? you care to back that up with an argument, or are you just full of it?`
`03:50.41`	`airlynx`	`I've tried typing install + the filename but it says too few arguments`
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`03:50.56`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, dpkg -i gaim_1.2.1_1.3_i386.deb`
`03:51.01`	`GoatRoby`	`What is difference between 'bind' and 'bind9' packages? Is there an easier to configure dns server I can install?`
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`03:51.24`	`kreg`	`anyone familiar with unreal tournament? was wondering if a dedicated linux server exsisted for the original UT. i've only seen one for win32.`
`03:51.33`	`kreg`	`didn't find anything known from apt either`
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`03:51.39`	`MobyTurbo`	`GoatRoby: iyntays`
`03:51.43`	`sandip`	`GoatRuby: Use djbdns if you want a nofrills dns server, without tons of bind problems`
`03:51.51`	`airlynx`	`Hostile, I've tried that too, it doesn't work`
`03:51.54`	`ke6isf`	`airlynx: If you're on sarge, you can apt-get install gaim and get that very version.`
`03:51.56`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: it was originally a woody install, however just about everything except lilo had been updated to sarge. I did an apt-get upgrade to grab the last few packages that weren't current versions. apparently sarge lilo upgrading woody lilo is seriously broken.`
`03:51.58`	`GoatRoby`	`MobyTurbo: sandip: thanks`
`03:52.01`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, your doing it as root?`
`03:52.03`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: Lilo in sarge has not changed since the release. Quite simply put it is impossible that you got a new verison of lilo running Sarge. Without tryin g to get it it.`
`03:52.19`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: And what is this adapter that you think is going to solve the problem you created?`
`03:52.22`	`mwilson`	`furrywolf: Do you have another box? If so, netboot the thing, fix the problem.`
`03:52.25`	`airlynx`	`yes, I was doing that as root`
`03:52.34`	`nvz`	`scarynetworkguy: probably a mini ide to ide adapter`
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`03:52.40`	`airlynx`	`I don't know if I'm on sarge, I installed whatever the latest aGNUla is`
`03:52.42`	`furrywolf`	`mwilson: if you can get netboot onto my pcmcia ethernet card, feel free to tell me how. :P`
`03:52.42`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, then somethings messed up`
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`03:53.03`	`nvz`	`scarynetworkguy: I am not even remotely listening and I figure the problem is he doesnt have any removable media on the laptop and is in a non-bootable situation`
`03:53.05`	`mwilson`	`furrywolf: <shrug> I suppose it depends on whether the BIOS in the laptop supports it.`
`03:53.05`	`ke6isf`	`!aGNUla`
`03:53.05`	`dpkg`	`hmm... agnula is The AGNULA project is developing DeMuDi, a Debian based distribution especially for audio work (http://www.agnula.org), and also providing a download server for Free Music (http://muzik.agnula.org).`
`03:53.07`	`airlynx`	`could it just be that I don't have the dependencies?`
`03:53.16`	`ke6isf`	`airlynx: You are not running Debian.`
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`03:53.24`	`airlynx`	`yes i am`
`03:53.26`	`GoatRoby`	`MobyTurbo: there is no 'iyntays' package`
`03:53.28`	`scarynetworkguy`	`nvz: Yeah. Likely.`
`03:53.28`	`Guerin`	`airlynx: why are you installing random packages? Use apt-get or aptitude`
`03:53.31`	`Borg^Queen`	`Hello`
`03:53.35`	`GoatRoby`	`sandip: djbdns is available as a library only?`
`03:53.40`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, no you're not`
`03:53.41`	`ke6isf`	`airlynx: No, you're running aGNUla. It's debian derived, but it's as much Debian as Ubuntu.`
`03:53.41`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: So no removable media on a laptop?`
`03:53.43`	`_root_`	`Hi`
`03:53.52`	`airlynx`	`well, I can't find gaim in aptitude, so I tried downloading it from the Debian website`
`03:53.54`	`sandip`	`GoatRuby: No. it is in non-free.`
`03:53.56`	`ke6isf`	`airlynx: Ergo, you're not running Debian.`
`03:53.58`	`MobyTurbo`	`GoatRoby: iyntays = if you need to ask you shouldn't`
`03:53.58`	`mwilson`	`furrywolf: USB boot, maybe?`
`03:54.10`	`Guerin`	`mwilson: it's a p1 laptop, aiui`
`03:54.13`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: the box has no removable media and no expansion ports except a pcmcia slot. I don't think there's anything I could plug into the pcmcia slot that would be bootable. hence the only way to get the drive back to a bootable state is to put it into another computer. my others are desktops. thus I'd need to spend $10 on the laptop mini ide+power to normal ide+power adapter.`
`03:54.16`	`furrywolf`	`mwilson: no usb`
`03:54.21`	`airlynx`	`ke6isf, look up agnula/demudi and tell me again that I'm not running debian`
`03:54.22`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, get help from the aGNUla channel?`
`03:54.31`	`cinix`	`furrywolf, http://tinyurl.com/de7td do you live in the UK?`
`03:54.32`	`GoatRoby`	`MobyTurbo: oh, what would I do then for dns :(`
`03:54.32`	`ke6isf`	`!tell airlynx -about agnula`
`03:54.37`	`MobyTurbo`	`!debian based`
`03:54.37`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i".`
`03:54.40`	`GoatRoby`	`sandip: ah i see`
`03:54.45`	`ke6isf`	`!beer MobyTurbo`
`03:54.49`	`furrywolf`	`I already looked through the bios... no mention of network at all, much less network booting.`
`03:54.57`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: Reinstall and restore from your backup and learn how to run your own system.`
`03:54.57`	`MobyTurbo`	`GoatRoby: djbdns is nearly the only alternative to bind.`
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`03:55.12`	`airlynx`	`the angula channel is always asleep, nobody ever answers questions there`
`03:55.12`	`michal_`	`is there no way top prevent the universal ide driver from being used once it has been compiled into a kernel?`
`03:55.12`	`Guerin`	`djbware is no alternative`
`03:55.15`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: reinstall HOW? still have to spend $10 for the adapter.`
`03:55.19`	`scarynetworkguy`	`Oh wait it's not your fault even though you are root.`
`03:55.36`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: Clearly you did a install at some point.`
`03:55.36`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, add some apt sources through apt-setup then do apt-get install gaim`
`03:55.41`	`MobyTurbo`	`Guerin: yeah, I wouldn't run it. djb's licenses and behavior suck.`
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`03:56.08`	`airlynx`	`last time I tried that aptitude wouldn't cache properly`
`03:56.13`	`revenger`	`http://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?MarkusRechberger/USB/em2820 .. any idea how to fix that ghost effect? .. the frames are twice as big as shown there...`
`03:56.21`	`cmatheson`	`ok, i've found the instructions to restor the mbr... too bad i can't find that cursed windoze cd (hopefully i still have it...)`
`03:56.26`	`scarynetworkguy`	`Hell wtf has a box that they don't have a plan to recover. That is the most fucktared thing I've ever heard.`
`03:56.28`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: and perhaps you ought to put a bit more thought into what you're saying. how is it my fault I had a perfectly working lilo config, did an upgrade, and now the box doesn't boot? seems there's a serious bug somewhere, as a simple upgrade should not break a booting box.`
`03:56.28`	`MobyTurbo`	`airlynx: then run "aptitude install gaim" from the command line`
`03:56.30`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, why the hell are you using aptitude...I never said in that sentence to open aptitude`
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`03:56.55`	`sandip`	`cmatheson: somewhere on google, there is an iso for it too.`
`03:57.05`	`sandip`	`cmatheson: just the resucre cd i mean`
`03:57.11`	`mwilson`	`furrywolf: Did the lilo package update? From what version, to what version?`
`03:57.11`	`cmatheson`	`sandip: you're a good man`
`03:57.16`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: yes, I did install at one point. I installed from the win95 install on another partition. Which also won't boot, since the only way to boot it now would be through lilo or putting a new mbr on.`
`03:57.16`	`sandip`	`s/resucre/rescure/`
`03:57.27`	`sandip`	`aarggh, rescue`
`03:57.36`	`Guerin`	`furrywolf: you don't even get to lilo? no LI?`
`03:57.37`	`Fenix-Dark`	`i'm installing debian atm, i'm at 'apt configuration' should i have it use http or ftp?`
`03:57.38`	`furrywolf`	`mwilson: no clue. I just saw it on the list of ~50 things that would be upgraded. (shows how little of woody there was...)`
`03:57.38`	`airlynx`	`gaim is not listed in any of the repositories I have, I use aptitude to look for something before installing it`
`03:57.43`	`furrywolf`	`Guerin: LO`
`03:57.44`	`furrywolf`	`LI`
`03:57.49`	`Guerin`	`!LI`
`03:57.50`	`dpkg`	`if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein.`
`03:57.53`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: Because you are root. Every single thing that happens on the box is your fault. Every single thing that happens on the box is your responsibilty. The fact that you own a box that you don't know how to recover just proves that you should have any computing gear you own taken away.`
`03:58.00`	`Guerin`	`you simply forgot to run 'lilo'`
`03:58.08`	`Guerin`	`.: pebcak error`
`03:58.11`	`Hostile`	`airlynx, then stop using debian based shit...use the real thing`
`03:58.23`	`GoatRoby`	`MobyTurbo: sandip: I found something even better... the 'dnsmasq' package does both basic dns and dhcp`
`03:58.29`	`michal_`	`i wonder if there is a way to hexedit the kernel to prevent it from using certain built in drivers :/ could be easier than rebuilding this kernel`
`03:58.37`	`airlynx`	`aGNUla is Debian with a low latency kernel installed`
`03:58.53`	`Hostile`	`lmao low latency kernel...thats FUNNY`
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`03:59.14`	`ke6isf`	`airlynx: agnula is Debian like pork is kosher.`
`03:59.23`	`ke6isf`	`!tell airlynx -about debian based`
`03:59.27`	`Hostile`	`;)`
`03:59.37`	`Hostile`	`yeah dude use the real thing...or dont ask for help here ;)`
`03:59.40`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: gee, you're a bit on the slow side... 1) from what I can tell, there simply is no way to recover the box. I feel sorry for any windoze user who bought it, and didn't know they'd never be able to upgrade... 2) if someone put a "rm -rf /home /" into the lilo postinstall script, would you say it was root's fault the box got hosed? think harder.`
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`04:00.51`	`ke6isf`	`And that said, wtf is a "low-latency kernel"? Sounds like something some marketroid came up with.`
`04:00.52`	`Fenix-Dark`	`should i use apt get to get the nvidia drivers, or just download the installer script from their website?`
`04:00.52`	`mwilson`	`furrywolf: Uh, of course there's a way to recover it, since obviously it wasn't sold with Linux on it originally.`
`04:01.11`	`Hostile`	`!tell Fenix-Dark -about nvidia`
`04:01.41`	`sandip`	`michal_: what is the error message that you are gettin? ide0 already used?`
`04:01.58`	`MobyTurbo`	`ke6isf: there's a "low latency" kernel patch out there, which you don't need a whole different distro to use, just patch the kernel source, and make a kernel package.`
`04:02.03`	`Fenix-Dark`	`Hostile, ty`
`04:02.08`	`Guerin`	`furrywolf: except nobody DID put malicious code into the lilo postinst. It's one of the well-known gotchas with lilo that it needs to be rerun after upgrade or changes to lilo.conf`
`04:02.11`	`ke6isf`	`MobyTurbo: Ah, I see.`
`04:02.29`	`ke6isf`	`Did Woody come with Lilo or Grub by default?`
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`04:02.33`	`Guerin`	`lilo`
`04:02.45`	`furrywolf`	`Guerin: yes. I've had plenty of "LI" boxes. in most cases it was the wrong combination of large-disk options. however, there was a perfectly working lilo config. if the lilo upgrade script requires running lilo afterwards to make the box boot (a problem I've never seen before), it should mention that. clearly this isn't true, or every single debian user would have an "LI" box at some point.`
`04:02.47`	`ke6isf`	`Guerin: Ah, would explain the trouble. Grub just works.`
`04:02.58`	`sandip`	`michal_: are you using sarge? also are you using any other boot parameter?`
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`04:03.14`	`Guerin`	`furrywolf: last i upgraded a woody box, it did notify you of this fact,`
`04:03.20`	`furrywolf`	`mwilson: is was sold with win95. I installed linux from win95 dos mode with loadlin.`
`04:03.23`	`Guerin`	`whether it did in your case, I'm not sure.`
`04:03.27`	`furrywolf`	`Guerin: it didn't. :P`
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`04:03.37`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: yes.`
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`04:05.09`	`michal_`	`sandip: i'm using sarge and i'm using a few boot paramaters.. but none related to ide. the problem is that the unoform ide driver takes over the ide ports before the sis5513 driver is loaded from the initrd`
`04:05.23`	`ke6isf`	`Ah, dinner-and-a-movie-with-wife time.`
`04:05.31`	`sandip`	`michal_: I meant to ask, have you tried booting with the 2.6 kernel?`
`04:05.49`	`nunez`	`I just installed debian netist Cd on my Dell Inspiron 8000, with the option to not detect PCMCIA on my lappy, when i booted into the debian after hte install, it stopped at recongnizing my sound card then shut down?`
`04:06.03`	`michal_`	`sandip: this is a custom built 2.6.11 kernel.. i've already mentiond that earlier`
`04:06.17`	`nvz`	`I'm not married, so I wonder if that comes before or after sex with the mistress time`
`04:06.24`	`sandip`	`michal_: sorry, missed that`
`04:07.18`	`furrywolf`	`I don't see any adapters on ebay I can afford right now, so guess I'm just going to stick the laptop in the closet until I have spare money.`
`04:07.21`	`deblin`	`heh why does apt-build segfault after it runs every time? it completes normally, but segfaults on every operation`
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`04:08.20`	`Fenix-Dark`	`nunez, did you upgrade to a different kernel?`
`04:09.55`	`nunez`	`Fenix-Dark, I wasnt able too`
`04:09.56`	`michal_`	`this is impossible :( there is no information that google can find.. I just don't know what else to search for`
`04:10.08`	`nunez`	`Fenix-Dark, I installed 2.4.27 i believe`
`04:10.11`	`nunez`	`s/I/it`
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`04:10.21`	`Fenix-Dark`	`nunez, it just did that right after the installation?`
`04:10.40`	`nunez`	`Fenix-Dark, It rebooted, went to grub fine, then when it was booting the kernel`
`04:10.56`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: Yep. As I said you have root, you are the admin. Every single thing that happens is your fault. Step up to the plate and take responsibilty. This is Admin 101 stuff FFS.`
`04:11.15`	`Fenix-Dark`	`nunez, sounds like you're lacking support for your chipset in your kernel`
`04:11.29`	`sandip`	`michal_: i found something. Check out http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html#s7`
`04:11.32`	`nunez`	`Fenix-Dark, hmm, redhat installs on it fine`
`04:11.43`	`sandip`	`michal_: you got to set ide0= in the boot parameters`
`04:12.10`	`Fenix-Dark`	`nunez, maybe you should try reintsalling then using the 2.6.x kernel thats on the cd`
`04:12.24`	`nunez`	`Fenix-Dark, it said install/2.6/kernel wasnt on the cd`
`04:12.29`	`nunez`	`Fenix-Dark, its the netinst disk`
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`04:12.49`	`Fenix-Dark`	`well, i just installed it right now`
`04:12.53`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: uh-huh. does every debian user on the planet re-run lilo after they do an upgrade? what if they have updates installed automagically from cron, which I've seen done? what if they're new users who don't know what lilo is? sorry, but "you have to run lilo after apt-get upgrade" isn't right.`
`04:12.57`	`Fenix-Dark`	`and i had that option to choose a 2.6.8.x kernel`
`04:13.05`	`nunez`	`Fenix-Dark, Where did you get your netinst cd?`
`04:13.17`	`Fenix-Dark`	`nunez, http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian-cdimage/current/i386/iso-cd/`
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`04:14.35`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: when sarge became stable, that would mean that every single debian user with stable instead of woody in their sources would have to re-run lilo. did I miss a few million debian users waking up to "LI" when they turned their boxes on in the morning?`
`04:14.40`	`michal_`	`sandip: thanks.. but I don't think that's it. none of the options available for ide0 are appropriate.. and it seems that this started as a bug in the linux kernel. "It was fixed in 2.6.2 but side-effect of the fix is that you must make sure that ide_generic driver is not compiled in or loaded if it's modular."`
`04:14.45`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: Yes. It's a Debian bug that only you have. The simple fact is that in any of those scanarios it would be their fault that they did something they don't grok. Just as it is your problem/responsibility because you broke your machine. It is nobody's job but yours to make sure you know what you are doing and what you have done with your box.`
`04:15.03`	`michal_`	`sandip: and in this kernel it IS built in.. so I'm screwed`
`04:15.21`	`teufel`	`I'm having some trouble with apache. I changed the document root to a different directory, and it works fine, but any subfolder from that root doesn't show up on the internet`
`04:15.28`	`rob12345`	`hello - is there a package to get around the nforce2 agp/gart problem with ati cards`
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`04:15.29`	`scarynetworkguy`	`But of course it's far easier to blame others. :)`
`04:15.36`	`sandip`	`michal_:you mean ideo0=sis5513 is not allowed?`
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`04:15.52`	`cheale1`	`is it a bug if a game (barrage) doesn't react to SIGTERM?`
`04:16.25`	`litage`	`how do you use lsof to list what processes are using a specific file? i can't seem to find it in the manpage`
`04:16.43`	`nvz`	`litage: lsof file`
`04:16.50`	`michal_`	`sandip: do you see it in the list on the page you pointed me to?`
`04:16.54`	`Guerin`	`teufel: #apache`
`04:16.54`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chealel, mabe its a 'feature'`
`04:16.55`	`gentgeen__`	`what do you put in xmodmap to disable a key -- keycode 0x32 = ??????`
`04:16.55`	`rob12345`	`is ther a package for nforce2 motherboards and the agp/gart problem?????????????`
`04:16.56`	`litage`	`hahah too easy`
`04:17.02`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: looks like someone already filed the bug report for me. it hasn't been closed yet. maybe rather than attacking people, you should check things like this?`
`04:17.05`	`sandip`	`michal_: i think they were just examples.`
`04:17.06`	`teufel`	`guerin: thanks`
`04:17.09`	`simonrvn`	`what?????????????????????????`
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`04:17.12`	`teufel`	`#apache`
`04:17.23`	`simonrvn`	`@tell rob12345 -about ep`
`04:17.27`	`airlynx`	`you guys are absolutely no help whatsoever`
`04:17.27`	`nvz`	`litage: its right at the top, where it says lsof - list open files`
`04:17.30`	`teufel`	`opps lol`
`04:17.33`	`nvz`	`litage: thats what the program does`
`04:18.14`	`scarynetworkguy`	`furrywolf: BTS number?`
`04:18.25`	`furrywolf`	`306472`
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`04:19.19`	`furrywolf`	`"good!", I thought, "everything is fine!". I read _Things to do before rebooting_, then I halted the system. Note that I did not upgraded my kernel.`
`04:19.19`	`furrywolf`	`The following time I tried to boot, lilo failed, stopping just at "LI".`
`04:20.36`	`michal_`	`sandip: no.. those are all the allowed options.. ide_setup: ide0=sis5513 -- BAD OPTION`
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`04:20.52`	`sandip`	`michal_:ouch`
`04:20.54`	`Stereo`	`hello everyone :)`
`04:21.00`	`rabies`	`hey, whats the option to omit words using grep?`
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`04:21.07`	`Stereo`	`I'd like to encrypt my backups`
`04:21.09`	`Stereo`	`rabies: -v`
`04:21.13`	`rabies`	`thanks`
`04:21.21`	`rob12345`	`does anyone know about a package for nforce 2 mobo's?`
`04:21.36`	`chea1`	`!anyone`
`04:21.36`	`dpkg`	`**anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I* do.`
`04:21.41`	`kreg`	`i need libX11.so.6 to run a service on my woody box. "apt-get install libx11-6" will also try to install x-window-system-core and stuff. this is just a console box, is there an alternative?`
`04:21.57`	`MobyTurbo`	`rob12345: www.nvidia.com/linux`
`04:21.57`	`chea1`	`rob12345: should the package do?`
`04:21.57`	`Stereo`	`tar cf - /foo \| gpg -c \| dd of=/dev/st0 bs=10k is fragile - if one bit on the tape is off, I'm screwed. It will also take ages to find a single file because I need to decrypt the entire thing`
`04:21.59`	`scarynetworkguy`	`Hehe. That's the funniest "bug report" I've ever read.`
`04:22.05`	`Stereo`	`isn't there a better way?`
`04:22.07`	`rob12345`	`ok thaks ill have a look`
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`04:22.28`	`rob12345`	`the agp doesnt work properly`
`04:22.36`	`chea1`	`rob12345: s/should/what should`
`04:22.38`	`rob12345`	`you ned to rcompil ethe kernel`
`04:22.42`	`Stereo`	`rob12345: there's a way to make a debian package`
`04:22.47`	`Stereo`	`no, no, you don't`
`04:22.51`	`rob12345`	`really`
`04:22.55`	`rob12345`	`thats good`
`04:23.01`	`furrywolf`	`scarynetworkguy: good for you. most people don't find "I did everything according to the docs, and there were no warnings, but it hosed my system anyway" to be funny.`
`04:23.03`	`Stereo`	`uh`
`04:23.06`	`Stereo`	`!nvidia`
`04:23.06`	`dpkg`	`nvidia is, like, DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists`
`04:23.07`	`litage`	`sometimes when i run audacity, it says it can't init the i/o layer: deadorange.com/audacity.png any idea how to fix his? /dev/dsp is chmod 777 and /dev/dsp0 is 666`
`04:23.14`	`rob12345`	`because i have a 9600xt and i would like som acceleration`
`04:23.17`	`simonrvn`	`FFS`
`04:23.17`	`Stereo`	`there you are :)`
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`04:23.22`	`furrywolf`	`!tell IBEGONE about away`
`04:23.26`	`simonrvn`	`@kill IBEGONE`
`04:23.57`	`Stereo`	`whoa people`
`04:24.02`	`Stereo`	`/ignore * ACTIONS -regexp -pattern is (away\|gone\|back)`
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`04:24.26`	`simonrvn`	`/ignore WTF are you on`
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`04:25.05`	`Fenix-Dark`	`can someone point me to an apt-get guide plz`
`04:25.07`	`mwilson`	`litage: Other than to deliberately break things, why did you change the permissions like that?`
`04:25.17`	`fanmaris`	`hi all`
`04:25.22`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: man apt-get`
`04:25.29`	`simonrvn`	`it's hot here. 38C with humidity`
`04:25.49`	`fanmaris`	`i got question.. how to prevent (module) agpgart from loading?`
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`04:26.15`	`chea1`	`!tell fanmaris about blacklist`
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`04:26.32`	`fanmaris`	doesn`t work for me..
`04:26.51`	`simonrvn`	`litage: and what gave you the idea of opening up the machine up like with 666 and 777 on those files?`
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`04:27.05`	`chea1`	`fanmaris: when does it load?`
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`04:28.08`	`Hostile`	`Fenix-Dark, man apt-get`
`04:29.08`	`litage`	`mwilson: i didn't change the permissions on /dev/dsp or dsp0`
`04:29.10`	`Fenix-Dark`	`is there a search feature if you're not certain on its name?`
`04:29.25`	`litage`	`simonrvn: see last msg`
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`04:29.33`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: what's name?`
`04:29.46`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, i want the nvidia drivers and x11`
`04:29.49`	`Fenix-Dark`	`and kde`
`04:29.58`	`Fenix-Dark`	`not sure on the pkg name for apt-get`
`04:29.59`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: oh`
`04:30.06`	`Hostile`	`Fenix-Dark, apt-cache search`
`04:30.10`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ah ty`
`04:30.25`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: see #debian-kde for KDE`
`04:30.29`	`simonrvn`	`litage: um, the debian install certainly didn't do that, you msut've. but that's besides the point. doing that never "fixes" things, just makes things less secure`
`04:30.46`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: you want the 3D drivers, right?`
`04:30.53`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, yup`
`04:30.53`	`chea1`	`(which are non-free)`
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`04:30.59`	`chea1`	`!tell Fenix-Dark about nvidia-howto`
`04:31.06`	`Hostile`	`chea1, you beat me to it!`
`04:31.18`	`simonrvn`	`litage: also, you'll have to be more forthcoming on the info, what you said earlier isn't very helpful to debug stuff`
`04:31.19`	`litage`	`simonrvn: what are the default/recommended permissions for /dev/dsp and dsp0?`
`04:31.20`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, i just want the nvidia drivers that are on their site (sry i'm totally lost with apt-get so far)`
`04:31.32`	`simonrvn`	`660, root:audio`
`04:31.46`	`Hostile`	`Fenix-Dark, follow the nvidia how-to`
`04:31.49`	`litage`	`thanks simonrvn`
`04:31.51`	`llama32`	`i just run an app in wine, and it set my res to 640x480, then i got out of it and im still in 640x480 (or something that seems like it)... help??`
`04:31.53`	`simonrvn`	`usually dsp is a symlink to dsp0 anyway`
`04:31.59`	`Fenix-Dark`	`thanks`
`04:32.02`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: those on their site are packaged for Debian in the non-free archive`
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`04:32.19`	`simonrvn`	`the symlink will have the usual symlink perms`
`04:32.35`	`llama32`	`ahh, nm, got it back`
`04:32.35`	`rob12345`	`does anyone have an nforce2 motherboard and hardware graphics acceleration`
`04:33.08`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, do you have to use xf86?`
`04:33.10`	`llama32`	`wow KDE rocks`
`04:33.17`	`mngrif`	`llama32, yes, yes it does :)`
`04:33.36`	`chea1`	`rob12345: yes`
`04:33.48`	`rob12345`	`how do i get it to work`
`04:33.59`	`rob12345`	`i have a radeon`
`04:34.02`	`rob12345`	`ati`
`04:34.04`	`chea1`	`rob12345: depends your graphics card`
`04:34.15`	`rob12345`	`ati radeon 9600xt`
`04:34.15`	`chea1`	`!tell rob12345 about ati`
`04:34.29`	`chea1`	`rob12345: hopefully the factoid explains`
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`04:35.04`	`rob12345`	`thankyou`
`04:35.15`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: you're asking whether you need XFree86 to run KDE on your machine? you know you need an X server, right?`
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`04:35.25`	`McCabre`	`hi`
`04:35.34`	`rob12345`	`but my problem it wiht the agp/gart on nforce 2 mobo's`
`04:35.52`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, i'm asking if i have to use XFree86, i've used xorg x11 previously and i'm comfortable using it`
`04:35.52`	`chea1`	`rob12345: what's that problem?`
`04:35.57`	`hikenboot`	`hello all....reinstalled debian...this time put everything on one drive using same installer as before (latest stable netinstaller)..No errors or difficulties during install this time and it all runs smoothly!`
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`04:36.35`	`rob12345`	`the problem is som compatiability with nforce2 motherbaords and ati cards`
`04:36.37`	`hikenboot`	`I believe using the latest netinstaller...in workstation install (everthing is put in separate partitions) has a bug`
`04:36.37`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: I wouldn't use something not packaged for Debian just because it's a bit newer than XFree86`
`04:36.52`	`rob12345`	`i was wondering if there is a package to fix it`
`04:37.07`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, so it isn't packaged for debian : /`
`04:37.08`	`chea1`	`rob12345: there's unlikely a package just designed to fix that`
`04:37.11`	`hikenboot`	`rob12345 yu talking to me?`
`04:37.16`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: as /topic says`
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`04:37.26`	`rob12345`	`hu???`
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`04:37.40`	`hikenboot`	`I have nforce2 motherboard`
`04:37.46`	`hikenboot`	`and had wierd install problems`
`04:37.52`	`rob12345`	`im new to irc am i doing something wrong?`
`04:37.52`	`itshkay`	`wab2.5b can play dynasty warriors ??`
`04:38.00`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: FYI, X.org is a fork from XFree86. I don't see why you'd be incomfortable with XFree86 just because you only used X.org`
`04:38.04`	`rob12345`	`oh really`
`04:38.05`	`hikenboot`	`but only when i specified workstation install`
`04:38.06`	`McCabre`	`my "top" is currently showing (for cpu) 10-20% user, <5% system ~0% nice, 0%idle and ~80% wa. Im trying to find out what "wa" is, but it doesent seem to be mentioned in the man pages.. and i was gonna say the computer is to slow to google, buyt now wa went down to 10% and the computer is usable again`
`04:38.15`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, hrm, i don tuse it cause its newer, its the first one i've used and i'm just comfortable with it`
`04:38.22`	`rob12345`	`same here i get a ide timout`
`04:38.26`	`rob12345`	`or something`
`04:38.32`	`McCabre`	`anyway, does someone know what "wa" is in the cpu line of top?`
`04:38.55`	`hikenboot`	`I get a problem where the package manager functions incorrectly`
`04:38.57`	`mngrif`	`McCabre, i've always thought "wait", which that would work if it was M$`
`04:39.17`	`hikenboot`	`and xwindows occasionally justs jumps back to the installer`
`04:39.21`	`mngrif`	`or "wasted"`
`04:39.25`	`chea1`	`!x windows`
`04:39.25`	`dpkg`	`It's X dammit!, or ask me about x windows trap. A) The X Window System. B) X`
`04:39.41`	`McCabre`	`mngrif: thats what i thought too, but if idle is 0 ??`
`04:39.59`	`mngrif`	`McCabre, yeah, doesn't make any sense.`
`04:40.20`	`McCabre`	`well, now i can google again so ill give that a go, thanks anyway!`
`04:40.22`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: it's OK that you used X.org, but unless you need it for some reason XFree86 should be very similar`
`04:41.13`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, preformence wise, is there any difference?`
`04:42.03`	`chea1`	`rob12345: you're not doing something particularly wrong as a new IRC user. asking if "anyone" knows something on a 700+ users channel is a bit pointless though`
`04:42.53`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: certainly, but I wouldn't care about it unless you know you're in a case where X.org is better.`
`04:43.06`	`chea1`	`X.org is a rather young fork`
`04:43.24`	`Fenix-Dark`	`yea`
`04:43.38`	`McCabre`	`mngrif: hmm.. all pages i find about top doesent have the "wa" column..`
`04:43.45`	`Fenix-Dark`	`i'll mainly be using my comp for gaming, and i'd wanna get all the preformence out of it that i can`
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`04:44.36`	`McCabre`	`mngrif: apparently it 'io wait'`
`04:44.39`	`mngrif`	`Fenix-Dark, really the only reason to use xorg is if your hardware downright isn't supported in xfree`
`04:44.59`	`mngrif`	`McCabre, ah, now that makes sense... if your computer is stuck using IRQ polling or somesuch`
`04:45.21`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: just track the latest drivers`
`04:45.29`	`McCabre`	`mngrif: just not sure it made sense that t did that just now, at lest for so long.. anyway, back to work`
`04:45.58`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ugh, i just did 'apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-glx' as the guide says to, and it says "E: Invalid operation nvidia-glx"`
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`04:46.06`	`mngrif`	`McCabre, probably some DMA glitch.. happens all the time on a certian PIIX chipset i have`
`04:46.36`	`mngrif`	`Fenix-Dark, what does 'echo $NVDIST' give?`
`04:46.49`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: hum...drop the " -t $NVDIST" in any case`
`04:46.55`	`Fenix-Dark`	`mngrif, a blank line`
`04:47.03`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, ok`
`04:47.04`	`mngrif`	`yeah, do what chea1 said`
`04:47.05`	`McCabre`	`mngrif: pentium 8 ?`
`04:47.44`	`mngrif`	`McCabre, PIIX is an IDE chipset used on P2 systems, among others. most people say it's the most stable thing in existence, but i have proof otherwise :P`
`04:47.59`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ugh, another problem... "package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.... E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate"`
`04:48.07`	`McCabre`	`mngrif: ok :)`
`04:48.08`	`mngrif`	`then again, i've crashed every OS i've used within the initial 15 minutes of it being installed`
`04:48.30`	`mngrif`	`nvidia-kernel-driver`
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`04:48.33`	`mngrif`	`or somesuch`
`04:48.45`	`jmd`	`Any sendmail experts here ?`
`04:49.55`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, what should i do now?`
`04:50.07`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: make sure you have non-free sources`
`04:50.16`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, how?`
`04:50.23`	`pablum`	`Fenix-Dark, is the nick a ref to MM?`
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`04:50.33`	`Fenix-Dark`	`pablum, nope (starcraft)`
`04:50.41`	`pablum`	`ah`
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`04:51.06`	`mngrif`	`mm.. starcraft :)`
`04:51.26`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: add ' contrib non-free' to the end your sources.list lines (after main)`
`04:51.29`	`mngrif`	`still play?`
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`04:51.43`	`Fenix-Dark`	`mngrif, not that often`
`04:51.48`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, where's that file located?`
`04:52.05`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: /etc/apt/sources.list`
`04:52.10`	`harsha`	`which debian package provides the dns utility, dig?`
`04:52.10`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ok`
`04:52.12`	`mngrif`	`Fenix-Dark, D2 plays just fine under debian's wine, if you'r interested`
`04:52.47`	`Fenix-Dark`	`mngrif, cool, i've got all my games to run with cedega in slackware previously`
`04:53.18`	`mngrif`	`Fenix-Dark, with wine you'll need some nocd patches and some shell wizardry`
`04:53.33`	`mngrif`	`pablum, i grew up on that game, along with Marathon`
`04:53.35`	`Fenix-Dark`	`mngrif, yea, but it works with cedega so i've got no complaints`
`04:53.37`	`michal_`	`.j #xen`
`04:53.42`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, ok, now what shall i do?`
`04:53.42`	`michal_`	`doh`
`04:53.54`	`pablum`	`mngrif, awesome awesome game.`
`04:54.02`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: apt-get update then retry installing nvidia-glx`
`04:54.04`	`mngrif`	`pablum, fsck Doom!`
`04:54.08`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, ok`
`04:54.14`	`mngrif`	`pablum, keep up with aleph one?`
`04:54.32`	`pablum`	`stopped gaming long ago. :/`
`04:54.48`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, 'contrib' is not known on line 7 in the source list /etc/apt/sources.list`
`04:55.00`	`mngrif`	`oh man, marathon has never been so beautiful.. opengl tcp/ip network play :)`
`04:55.09`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: paste that line`
`04:55.15`	`mngrif`	`makes me wish i was 7 again`
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`04:55.45`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, "Type 'contrib' is not known on line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list"`
`04:55.54`	`enz0`	`is anyone experiencing kartsd crashing with unstable? I upgraded to KDE 3.4.1 and it's still crashing.`
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`04:56.09`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: paste the sources.list line the error refers to in the channel`
`04:56.27`	`chea1`	`!kde3.4`
`04:56.27`	`dpkg`	`kde3.4 is probably not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34, or not supported anywhere, particularly #debian`
`04:56.40`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, "contrib non-free" (which is what you told me to put)`
`04:56.42`	`chea1`	`enz0: did you check the BTS?`
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`04:56.49`	`pablum`	`New game: hunting for a 3906PNP in the tool box.`
`04:57.10`	`enz0`	`chea1: the BTS?`
`04:57.14`	`Guerin`	`graah, retooling html to xhtml 1.1 is a pain in the arse`
`04:57.19`	`chea1`	`Fenix-Dark: oh, it must be on the same line as main. example : deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib`
`04:57.26`	`Guerin`	`pesky standards`
`04:57.44`	`chea1`	`!tell enz0 about bts`
`04:57.48`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ah ok`
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`04:58.05`	`chea1`	`!btssmite enz0`
`04:58.24`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, ah ok its working now`
`04:58.24`	`Supaplex`	`down boy`
`04:58.28`	`mngrif`	`lol`
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`04:59.53`	`Fenix-Dark`	`chea1, ok, now the line 'apt-get install nvidia-glx' is working :)`
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`05:02.08`	`pablum`	`Guerin, isn't it mainly making everything lowercase?`
`05:03.29`	`Guerin`	`pablum: not really ... and the spec is a whole lot less easy to follow than 4.01 transitional, which is what it was originally`
`05:03.29`	`Fenix-Dark`	`in the xf86 config, its asking "please enter the video card's bus identifier." its an agp card, so what would i put there?`
`05:03.39`	`pablum`	`and isn't it mainly a target if you want to define your own tags? (really, I don't know much about it, but am considering updating some pages from html 4.1)`
`05:03.42`	`ke6isf`	`Heh, interesting. exim4 didn't die when I removed it.`
`05:03.44`	`peterS`	`Fenix-Dark: leave it blank`
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`05:03.51`	`peterS`	`Fenix-Dark: unless you have multiple cards of the same vendor`
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`05:03.59`	`Fenix-Dark`	`ok`
`05:04.22`	`Fenix-Dark`	`how many kB is a 128MB gfx card?`
`05:04.24`	`pablum`	`Guerin, that's what validators are for :)`
`05:04.29`	`Guerin`	`pablum: yeah :)`
`05:04.30`	`gungnir`	`anyone know of a mirror from where i can download BitchX rpm for FC4?`
`05:04.31`	`peterS`	`Fenix-Dark: leave that blank too`
`05:04.42`	`Fenix-Dark`	`kk`
`05:04.42`	`Guerin`	`gungnir: http://whogivesafuck.net`
`05:04.47`	`ke6isf`	`How do I search for what package a given file belongs in?`
`05:04.53`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: dpkg -S`
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`05:05.42`	`ke6isf`	`peterS: Sankyu`
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`05:05.48`	`glick`	`excuse me are there any good snes emulators for linux? snes9x doesnt seem to be available for debian`
`05:05.54`	`glick`	`it was good for windows though`
`05:06.01`	`peterS`	`glick: it's in debia non-free`
`05:06.23`	`glick`	`how do i add the debian non free source?`
`05:06.26`	`peterS`	`glick: try 'apt-cache search snes emulator' which also notes zsnes and xmess-x`
`05:06.31`	`gungnir`	`Guerin: found a better site www.suckmycockyoulamefuckingmoron.org`
`05:06.57`	`peterS`	`glick: in /etc/apt/sources.list after the word 'main' add ' non-free'`
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`05:07.07`	`Guerin`	`gungnir: i thought lamefuckingmoron.org was a cname to fedoracoreuser.com`
`05:07.08`	`peterS`	`glick: people who want non-free also usually want contrib so add that too`
`05:07.27`	`peterS`	`Guerin: nah, that's an alias for funroll-loops.org`
`05:07.38`	`Guerin`	`peterS: oh, my bad.`
`05:07.40`	`ke6isf`	`Anyone know what gnome needs with portmap or fam? =O.o=`
`05:07.54`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: gnome watches all and sees all files`
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`05:08.07`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: it needs fam so nautilus knows what's changed`
`05:08.17`	`Guerin`	`among other things`
`05:08.22`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: fam needs portmap because it's based on sun rpc. gnome uses fam for notification of changed files on your desktop and, as guerin said, in nautilus`
`05:08.42`	`ke6isf`	`So it's a recursion issue. I take it these ports can be visible only to localhost then.`
`05:08.49`	`rking`	`i wonder why Google's result URL's (the plaintext ones shown in green) have spaces in them - is it to make it difficult for spiders to spider them? no, can't be, that would be too easy to filter out.`
`05:08.54`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: they can be, yeah`
`05:09.03`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: it's not all that obvious how to configure portmap for localhost only. but it can be done`
`05:09.29`	`Guerin`	`dpkg-reconfigure portmap does it, i think`
`05:09.37`	`Guerin`	`or editing the defaults file`
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`05:10.17`	`peterS`	`Guerin: ah, sure enough, /etc/defaults/portmap`
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`05:10.24`	`peterS`	`!Guerin++`
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`05:11.14`	`h3xis`	`i just installed debian 3.1 sarge. where are the kernel sources located by default?`
`05:11.38`	`peterS`	`h3xis: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27`
`05:11.40`	`Guerin`	`h3xis: wherever you download them to, or /usr/src if you install a kernel-source package`
`05:11.41`	`ke6isf`	`Guerin: Seems to be a Good THing to do that, what was the fracas about?`
`05:11.56`	`peterS`	`h3xis: or kernel-source-2.6.8 if the spirit moves you`
`05:12.05`	`h3xis`	`so debian doesnt come with the source already?`
`05:12.13`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: nfs doesn't work without portmap listening on some remote-accessible interface`
`05:12.14`	`peterS`	`h3xis: I just gave you an apt-get line`
`05:12.23`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: among other things`
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`05:13.08`	`rking`	`h3xis: that's an interesting question. have you ever heard Sun's tagline, "The network is your computer"? if you have good connectivity, then the source for any dpkg'd package is just one command away.`
`05:13.22`	`ke6isf`	`Guerin: Ah, OK. Since I don't expect to run nfs, it's just as well.`
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`05:14.08`	`peterS`	`ke6isf: same for the "r services" - rwho, rusers, rwall, etc.`
`05:14.21`	`pablum`	`rking, intel has an interesting twist on it: they say their drm chips are only for network stuff, the user needn't bother worrying about them. "The computer is the network". :0`
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`05:14.47`	`cbr`	`wtf`
`05:14.52`	`cbr`	`gcc4 in sid?`
`05:14.52`	`chea1`	`pablum: I don't think fam is installed by default, unless default includes tasksel's desktop environment`
`05:15.04`	`chea1`	`cbr: wtf!`
`05:15.05`	`hax`	`hmm`
`05:15.08`	`peterS`	`cbr: not only that but gcc-default is now gcc4`
`05:15.20`	`peterS`	`cbr: i.e., /usr/bin/gcc is 4.o`
`05:15.24`	`peterS`	`4.0 even`
`05:15.26`	`dabaR`	`anyone have a clue how to rip an installation CD, like, for example, the new Mac OS X installation cd?`
`05:15.26`	`cbr`	`yeah`
`05:15.27`	`cbr`	`4.0.1`
`05:15.28`	`stew`	`pablum: fam isn't installed by default`
`05:15.31`	`cbr`	`:o`
`05:15.31`	`hax`	`can someone help me get the resolution set right on my X server?`
`05:15.35`	`pablum`	`er... yeah, gnome (I didn't want to do more than hit the 'ok' button while installing)`
`05:15.38`	`cbr`	`omgomg`
`05:15.40`	`chea1`	`gcc4 is even in etch`
`05:15.48`	`rking`	`pablum: drm = digital rights management? i'm a little lost.`
`05:15.52`	`peterS`	`dabaR: cp /dev/cdrom /tmp/cdimage`
`05:15.52`	`ke6isf`	`dabaR: whyyyyyy?`
`05:16.00`	`chea1`	`hax: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yet?`
`05:16.03`	`dabaR`	`ke6isf: why not?`
`05:16.06`	`peterS`	`dabaR: usually works, unless someone's done funky crap with copy protection or multisession`
`05:16.19`	`pablum`	`rking, yeah. They were getting a lot of questions about a new chipset in some recent kit of theirs.`
`05:16.22`	`dabaR`	`cdimage being a dir as well?`
`05:16.24`	`hax`	`chea1: yeah, i have the resolution set right in the cfg file, for some reason, it's just not using it`
`05:16.28`	`peterS`	`dabaR: no, a .iso file`
`05:16.43`	`peterS`	`dabaR: cp /dev/cdrom /tmp/macosx.iso if you prefer`
`05:16.45`	`chea1`	`hax: and errors in X's log?`
`05:16.50`	`Thor-`	`I have 2 virtual ip on one interface eth0 and eth:1 how do I make sure outbound traffic leaves through eth0 ip and not the alias ip? tried googeling but not sure what to search for :-\`
`05:16.51`	`chea1`	`s/and/any`
`05:17.07`	`dabaR`	`hm..`
`05:17.08`	`pablum`	`rking, I can look it up if you are curious... (bored of serial howto)`
`05:17.12`	`dabaR`	`Ill give it a go`
`05:17.13`	`mtnman`	`thor-: sounds like a job for "route"`
`05:17.18`	`hax`	`chea1: no, there doesnt seem to be`
`05:17.26`	`hax`	`chea1: how can i tell what resolution it's running at now?`
`05:17.30`	`dabaR`	`even if itrs not mounted?`
`05:17.34`	`rking`	`pablum: forgive me ... the part where the chain of thought gets weak for me is how they go from network=computer in the sense "if the info is on the network, then it might as well be on the localhost" to talking about digital rights management, which to me sounds like an evil/feeble attempt to control information`
`05:17.34`	`chea1`	`hax: or warnings`
`05:17.41`	`stew`	`dabaR: yes`
`05:17.46`	`hax`	`chea1: nothing that looks relevant`
`05:17.55`	`dabaR`	`hm, seems to work, we will see.`
`05:17.59`	`dabaR`	`thank you.`
`05:18.00`	`dabaR`	`!`
`05:18.04`	`pablum`	`rking, that's the implication.`
`05:18.11`	`cmatheson`	`ok quick update... the dual boot is working everybody. my dad won't kill me. thanks everyone for the help`
`05:18.11`	`dabaR`	`oh, I am in debian...`
`05:18.12`	`hax`	`chea1: oh wait, yes there is`
`05:18.12`	`dabaR`	`haha`
`05:18.15`	`dabaR`	`sorry`
`05:18.16`	`hax`	`chea1: good call, i see the problem`
`05:18.20`	`hax`	`chea1: and i know how to fix it :)`
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`05:18.32`	`chea1`	`hax: good :)`
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`05:19.12`	`pablum`	`rking, they were saying they wanted to use the chip to encrypt network comms, iirc, and didn't clarify that the comm was a call home to MS or whatever.`
`05:19.55`	`dabaR`	`I was wondering how come my question actually got answered;)`
`05:19.56`	`pablum`	`rking, for intel, Bob is Carol. 8-o`
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`05:20.21`	`peterS`	`/nick Mallory`
`05:20.44`	`cooltech`	`hi`
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`05:21.36`	`cat`	`can you mixed debian with ubuntu?`
`05:21.39`	`cat`	`or not a good idea`
`05:21.55`	`wishie_`	`is there a simple way to setup IP accounting, so that i can log how much data the other housemates (and myself) each use per month ?`
`05:22.05`	`peterS`	`cat: not a great idea. it's like taking third-party packages from anywhere. sometimes they happen to work, sometimes they don't, and if they don't, nobody will want to help you`
`05:22.12`	`wishie_`	`cat: both. you CAN, but its not a good idea. :)`
`05:22.15`	`concept10`	`whats the max length that you can run cat 5 cable?`
`05:22.23`	`peterS`	`concept10: depends on what you're using it for (:`
`05:22.30`	`peterS`	`concept10: for 10/100 ethernet, I think 100 meters`
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`05:22.42`	`michal_`	`is the hostname portion of a FQDN refffered to as a "subdomain"`
`05:22.55`	`peterS`	`concept10: for USB hub extender thingys, I think like 25 meters`
`05:23.02`	`pablum`	`concept10, just don't step on it.`
`05:23.05`	`glick`	`whooot im playing aerobiz supersonic`
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`05:23.10`	`glick`	`one of my favorite games of all time`
`05:23.18`	`concept10`	`peterS, just want to run it through the back room`
`05:23.24`	`concept10`	`*to the`
`05:23.35`	`wishie_`	`concept10: unless you have a huge house, id say you'd be fine.`
`05:23.39`	`peterS`	`concept10: you're probably asking about twisted pair ethernet. that's just not the only thing you can run on cat5 wire`
`05:24.00`	`concept10`	`peterS, in my mansion so its about 7000 meters`
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`05:24.24`	`peterS`	`concept10: I rather doubt your mansion has any cable runs 4.3 miles long`
`05:24.26`	`michal_`	`our isp basically said they don't support subdomains`
`05:24.38`	`wishie_`	`well, i have a 35m cat5 cable running in my roof. it works fine.`
`05:24.41`	`concept10`	`peterS, just kidding`
`05:24.48`	`michal_`	`so our client just registered <hostname>.com.au instead`
`05:24.55`	`rking`	`cat: can you be a bit more specific? are you interested in a particular .deb that's not available in ubuntu? (or, vice-versa?)`
`05:25.15`	`concept10`	`peterS, thanks`
`05:25.36`	`concept10`	`wishie_, in the attic?`
`05:25.37`	`peterS`	`concept10: yeah, for residential housing I doubt you'd ever go anywhere near the 300 foot limit`
`05:25.45`	`peterS`	`concept10: large commercial buildings are another story`
`05:25.57`	`peterS`	`hmm, 'residential housing' is a bit redundant`
`05:26.10`	`wishie_`	`concept10: just a roof cavity as such. it even passes by power cables, although i wouldnt recommend that :)`
`05:26.48`	`wishie_`	`i get 10/100/1000 mbit over it still`
`05:27.08`	`pablum`	`farm equipment housing?`
`05:27.12`	`dabaR`	`peterS: any clues as to actual burning of it after, it says cant burn the image, and also says it is not in iso 9660 format.`
`05:27.31`	`nunez`	`Are there any drivers with the Netinst CDROM for a WG511T PCMCIA Wireless card?`
`05:27.44`	`nunez`	`It normally uses madwifi driver, but it isnt in the driver list`
`05:27.55`	`wishie_`	`concept10: yeah, i picked a hot day to do mine.. around 48C in the roof at the time`
`05:27.58`	`peterS`	`dabaR: I wonder what format it is then. it's whatever the original CD was. 'cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom /tmp/macosx.iso', or similar, ought to work`
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`05:28.04`	`wishie_`	`concept10: and very very muggy`
`05:28.08`	`michal_`	`I don't really understand how the BIGGEST isp and the one who owns virtually all the infastructure for an entire continent does not support subdomains :/`
`05:28.19`	`Schiz0`	`what isp?`
`05:28.21`	`dabaR`	`we shall try.`
`05:28.22`	`dabaR`	`thanks`
`05:28.25`	`michal_`	`Telstra`
`05:28.30`	`Schiz0`	`Never heard of them.`
`05:28.36`	`peterS`	`Schiz0: you clearly do not live in australia`
`05:28.39`	`wishie_`	`Telstra..haha`
`05:28.40`	`Schiz0`	`True.`
`05:28.43`	`michal_`	`schiz0: they own Australia`
`05:28.49`	`peterS`	`Schiz0: or you have never had any dealings in telecom in australia`
`05:28.49`	`stew`	`nunez: madwifi wouldn't be available on a netinst. you could do a debootstrap/chroot install though`
`05:28.52`	`wishie_`	`you're lucky they support the internet.`
`05:29.24`	`nunez`	`stew: how does that work?`
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`05:29.39`	`michal_`	`wishie: support isn't the word.. we're the only country without unlimited internet access plans`
`05:29.47`	`dabaR`	`I will boot debian.`
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`05:30.11`	`wishie_`	`michal_: you mean 'unlimited internet plans via our major telco', right ?`
`05:30.16`	`stew`	`nunez: if you have a free partition on a hard drive and can boot linux off another partition or off a livecd you can run debootstrap to install on the free partition from the other linux install`
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`05:30.40`	`michal_`	`wishie: no i mean via any telco.. all Telco's here rely to some extent on Telstra.`
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`05:30.52`	`hax`	`is there really any reason to build my own kernel these days? or should i just use the latest 2.6 image?`
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`05:31.15`	`wishie_`	`michal_: but isps still offer 'unlimited internet', was my point. atleast we have local ISPs getting their own DSLAMs now`
`05:31.16`	`chea1`	`hax: having hardware not supported in stock kernels`
`05:31.18`	`barry`	`I'm getting problems when I try and run things as root from console in X`
`05:31.18`	`barry`	`Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server`
`05:31.19`	`barry`	`Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key`
`05:31.26`	`chea1`	`!tell barry about sux`
`05:31.27`	`barry`	`problems like that`
`05:31.33`	`hax`	`chea1: i see...`
`05:31.46`	`michal_`	`wishie: there are not "unlimited" plans in australia.. unless by unlimited you mean that you will be chanrged an unlimited amount`
`05:31.59`	`michal_`	`charged`
`05:32.14`	`wishie_`	`michal_: i dont get charged anymore than my set monthly price.`
`05:32.15`	`barry`	`thankees!`
`05:32.47`	`michal_`	`wishie: that's right.. and your bandwidth speed is unlimited regardless of how much you download?`
`05:32.58`	`wishie_`	`i know winshop offered an unlimited ADSL plan (not sure if they still do)`
`05:33.28`	`wishie_`	`michal_: anyway, not into arguing about it. i just want to agree that Hellstra sucks. we'll leave it at that eh ?`
`05:35.05`	`wishie_`	`anyway, as to my previous question. is there s simple way for me to track how much traffic gets downloaded my each IP in my house ? i want to be able to track who downloads how much data`
`05:35.11`	`michal_`	`wishie: sure.. but the fact is that there is no such thing as an unlimited internet access plan with a flat rate in australia. ALL the plans have either limits on how much you can download at the speed you're paying for before you get throttled to 56k modem or slower speeds or some other sort of limit which prevents them from actually being unlimited`
`05:35.24`	`cbr`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:35.27`	`cbr`	`damn :/`
`05:35.43`	`wishie_`	`michal_: my old winshop plan was 512/128 ADSL. Unlimited. No shaping.`
`05:35.49`	`cbr`	`so much for gaim then..`
`05:35.52`	`wishie_`	`but it was also $109/month`
`05:36.16`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: i use ipac-ng for doing that ip accounting thing you just said`
`05:36.29`	`Agrajag-`	`well i used to before my brother started working for optus`
`05:36.32`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: works good ? and keeps tally over reboots ?`
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`05:37.25`	`michal_`	`wishie: so you are saying you could download around 140GB/month without being shaped or paying extra?`
`05:37.34`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: yeah works fine`
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`05:37.52`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: you're with telstra right? remember that they count uploads in your limit too`
`05:38.04`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: no, im not with telstra.`
`05:38.07`	`Agrajag-`	`oh ok`
`05:38.08`	`cheale1`	`cbr: get used to it`
`05:38.12`	`wishie_`	`i was, a long long time ago.`
`05:38.20`	`stew`	`cbr: are you on sid? or etch?`
`05:38.38`	`wishie_`	`michal_: yes, thats what i am saying. i dont know if they offer than plan anymore though. i remember them whinging about people abusing it :)`
`05:39.00`	`cbr`	`stew: sid`
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`05:39.08`	`michal_`	`wishie: nothing like that has existed in a considerable amount of time`
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`05:39.28`	`cbr`	`cheale1: well i know but they might look out a bit more with the deps.. i get breakages on every update :p`
`05:39.32`	`stew`	`cbr: what happens when you apt-get install libaspell15c2 ?`
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`05:39.43`	`wishie_`	`michal_: yeah, granted this was 3, maybe 3 1/2 years ago`
`05:39.59`	`Agrajag-`	`if your brother works for optus it exists ;)`
`05:40.03`	`cbr`	`stew: oh..`
`05:40.05`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: hmm, so that ipac-ng can count data per IP ? excellent`
`05:40.05`	`cbr`	`lol`
`05:40.18`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: yep. does pretty graphs and all`
`05:40.26`	`cbr`	`stew: what's b0rked then? it installs fine..`
`05:40.42`	`michal_`	`wishie: if you want to see what exist now go to www.whirlpool.net.au and click on "Broadband Choice" in the menu at the left had side.. you can browse all the currently available plans and compare them`
`05:40.43`	`cbr`	`oh shit no!!`
`05:40.46`	`cbr`	`it removed kde`
`05:40.47`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: and monthly totals ? heh. one of my flatmates refuses to pay for part of the internet bill, as he 'doesnt use it enough'`
`05:40.49`	`cbr`	`okay.. that was stupid`
`05:41.08`	`wishie_`	`i can see the squid logs at this point in time (im logged in to the gateway machine at home via ssh)`
`05:41.20`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: yeah you specify whatever time period you want the accounting for`
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`05:41.44`	`Agrajag-`	`so you can say "yesterday" or "this month" or "last month" and it does it nicely`
`05:41.44`	`wishie_`	`michal_: im with iiNet, and happy. 40gb/40gb 1.5mbit(up to 12mbit)`
`05:42.17`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: well, ill want to co-incide that with my isps 'month' then i guess..heh`
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`05:42.59`	`michal_`	`wishie: i'm westnet.. 35/35 (if by that you mean peak/offpeak) 512/128 and it costs around $80`
`05:43.17`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: yep you can specify dates/times.. as long as it's collecting data, you can specify any period within the time it's been collecting data`
`05:43.21`	`Schiz0`	`Agrajag-- what kind of network do you need to run this one? it can't be run on a box on a lan can it?`
`05:43.24`	`Schiz0`	`on*`
`05:43.32`	`jmd`	`Are there any sendmail experts here?`
`05:43.44`	`Supaplex`	`no, none.`
`05:43.47`	`Agrajag-`	`Schiz0: you'd run it on your box that's doing the routing`
`05:44.03`	`Schiz0`	`thought so...which I don't have. Bleh.`
`05:44.17`	`wishie_`	`hmm`
`05:44.18`	`Agrajag-`	`whatever box it is that 'sees' all the traffic from your lan -> internet`
`05:44.23`	`p8m`	`sendmail is hard`
`05:44.29`	`Schiz0`	`my linksys router? hahaha.`
`05:44.37`	`Schiz0`	`I wonder if that could run debian...`
`05:44.37`	`Agrajag-`	`well you specify interfaces/ip's and stuff. so you can just get traffic on your lan if you want`
`05:44.38`	`wishie_`	`thats a strange error..i apt-get install ipac-ng, and it downloaded it etc..when it went to start it though, i got..`
`05:44.40`	`Supaplex`	`internet MTA's are out. stamps are in.`
`05:44.47`	`wishie_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:44.47`	`wishie_`	`: Cannot allocate memory`
`05:44.59`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: you'll want to set it up first..`
`05:45.57`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: yeah, lack of docs it seems on the site..heh`
`05:46.16`	`Agrajag-`	`yeah - just go through the examples they give`
`05:46.23`	`Agrajag-`	`im not sure what version you've got either`
`05:46.38`	`cbr`	`stew: i just did something incredibly stupid xD`
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`05:46.43`	`wishie_`	`hmm, the debian sid one..there are no examples..ill check the .deb contents..brb`
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`05:46.45`	`rking`	`a message to all humans: i'm sorry i cannot listen to you all at once, with full comprehension.`
`05:47.02`	`cbr`	`i installed all of KDE.. and now i can't reinstall it.. because some unresolved deps of libaspell`
`05:47.05`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: it might be worth getting latest from http://ipac-ng.sourceforge.net/`
`05:47.25`	`cbr`	`stew: *i uninstalled all of KDE`
`05:47.51`	`cbr`	`can i force to install some package even if some of the deps dont meet?`
`05:48.18`	`jm_`	`not with apt*`
`05:48.46`	`transgress`	`okay, my camera is detected by both gnome-volume-manager and digikam, but neither will connect to it`
`05:48.46`	`cbr`	`really?`
`05:48.50`	`stew`	`cbr: reinstalling kde should be a breze`
`05:49.00`	`cbr`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:49.02`	`cbr`	`nope..`
`05:49.14`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: thanks.`
`05:49.18`	`transgress`	`i've used both before to get my pics off of it, but not in sarge... could it be the older versions are failing to work with it?`
`05:49.20`	`stew`	`cbr: yeah well you'd have to ditch libaspell`
`05:49.24`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: no worries`
`05:49.29`	`stew`	`oh wait`
`05:49.38`	`jm_`	`that lib is only available in stable and testing`
`05:49.42`	`stew`	`cbr: you'd have to install the older versions that you used to have`
`05:49.56`	`cbr`	`stew: mkay.. how :p`
`05:50.04`	`cbr`	`get a package manually?`
`05:50.17`	`stew`	`cbr: either out of /var/cache/apt/archives or with apt-get install package=version`
`05:50.49`	`cbr`	`can i use < ?`
`05:50.57`	`transgress`	`i get the following error from gnome if i specify it... An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x40a, product 0x578). Make sure this device is connected to the computer.`
`05:50.58`	`cbr`	`oh nvm`
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`05:53.24`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: one more thing..will it count LAN traffic aswell ? cause i dont want that counted, but traffic that comes from the internet..`
`05:53.33`	`rabies`	`hey, is a directory a file?`
`05:54.03`	`peterS`	`rabies: that's a metaphysical question`
`05:54.08`	`peterS`	`rabies: in what context do you need to know?`
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`05:54.28`	`Schiz0`	`rabies- usually a dir is what windows people call a folder.`
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`05:55.14`	`rabies`	`peterS: well i was wondering if it could be classified as a character file or a device node`
`05:55.32`	`rabies`	`peterS: cause its not really anything, is it?`
`05:55.36`	`rabies`	`Schiz0: i know that much`
`05:55.38`	`peterS`	`rabies: types of files in unix/linux: block device, character device, FIFO, socket, directory, regular file, symlink`
`05:55.49`	`peterS`	`rabies: none of those are equal to any of the others`
`05:55.57`	`rabies`	`peterS: k, so a directory is unique then`
`05:55.59`	`rabies`	`thanks`
`05:56.13`	`peterS`	`rabies: right. note that I also said all those are "files". so in that sense, yes, a directory is a file`
`05:56.18`	`peterS`	`rabies: just, it's not a 'regular file'`
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`05:59.15`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: of course. you can make it count whatever you want`
`06:00.02`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: the config file (which defines all the rules to do the ip accounting) is a bit confusing at first - just have a look at the examples first, that's probably easiest`
`06:00.04`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: excellent. just tried googleing for docs..apparently there are no good ones..heh so im using other peoples examples i found with google`
`06:00.15`	`Agrajag-`	`i've got a simple example if you want too`
`06:00.56`	`wishie_`	`that'd be nice..`
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`06:01.16`	`wishie_`	`i just want to log all internet traffic to/from the 192.168.0.x machines`
`06:01.30`	`cbr`	`stew: ok.. i haxed it together somehow.. got the old libaspell packages from the repos`
`06:01.38`	`cbr`	`kde is reinstalling`
`06:01.39`	`cbr`	`phew`
`06:01.48`	`stew`	`cbr: welcome to sid`
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`06:02.03`	`Schiz0`	`whqat's sid nowdays?`
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`06:02.20`	`Schiz0`	`i know etch is testing`
`06:02.26`	`stew`	`Schiz0: sid is always unstable`
`06:02.26`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/simple-ipac-rules.txt`
`06:02.27`	`Schiz0`	`but thats about ti`
`06:02.37`	`Schiz0`	`ah ok`
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`06:02.47`	`Schiz0`	`so sid doens't change, just stable and testing do`
`06:02.56`	`stew`	`yes`
`06:03.00`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: that doesn't have uploads but you can see that's easy to do`
`06:03.01`	`Schiz0`	`okey dokey.`
`06:03.02`	`Schiz0`	`thanks.`
`06:03.23`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: hmm, hadnt seen the ipac~i in the example configs before..what does that do ?`
`06:03.39`	`wishie_`	`and the ipac~fi and ipac~o i mean`
`06:04.18`	`Agrajag-`	`hmm that might be because i installed from cvs and that hasn't been released yet (although it was a while ago.. lemme check what version that's from)`
`06:04.32`	`Seb`	`is the zlib security fix not yet in sarge ?`
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`06:05.10`	`Blackhold`	`hello`
`06:05.12`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: actually im pretty sure that syntax is for 1.30 and greater`
`06:05.54`	`wishie_`	`hmm, yeah, it seems that its in the default config installed by the deb package too..`
`06:05.56`	`Blackhold`	`I'm trying to make backups from 2 directorys into a DAT, a DD-2 unity. Could some one help me?`
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`06:06.47`	`wishie_`	`still get the 'cannot allocate memory' error though..strange, ill google for it.`
`06:06.59`	`Supaplex`	`Blackhold: what kind of help?`
`06:07.05`	`Agrajag-`	`wishie_: does your isp give you a usage meter of some sort? you should compare your values against it's at first (as some isp's count 1megabyte = 1000 kilobytes and such)`
`06:07.39`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: i will do that. thanks.`
`06:08.05`	`Blackhold`	`Supaplex, so that, record the information to this unit, and configure de cron to write on it every day`
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`06:08.38`	`jm_`	`Seb: you can find all DSA-s on www.debian.org`
`06:08.53`	`Seb`	`jm_: k thanks`
`06:08.59`	`stew`	`or security.debian.org`
`06:09.21`	`mngrif`	`is it possible to have grub boot a bootable image (floppy or iso image)?`
`06:09.25`	`wishie_`	`very odd..anyone else experienced the 'cant allocate memory' problem when installing ipac-ng in sid ?`
`06:09.38`	`Blackhold`	`Supaplex, I know that I 've to use mt command, but I don't know how to work with it... yes I've read man mt`
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`06:10.48`	`wishie_`	`hmm, ill try from source.`
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`06:11.24`	`Supaplex`	`Blackhold: well, my DAT drive decided to refuse ejecting tapes the first time I used it... (about a week ago). You'll need to load the st module (scsi tape) and write to /dev/st0. Seems cpio is a better choice then tar, because it'll preserve more metadata. Feel free to google around for ideas.`
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`06:12.04`	`AM\|R`	`hello i got problem my password is missing in my debian server, how can i boot to recover the passwd file?.. help me plz`
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`06:12.38`	`mngrif`	`pass init=/bin/bash to the kernel or "single"`
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`06:12.54`	`mngrif`	`then just run passwd root`
`06:12.56`	`stew`	`AM\|R: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password`
`06:13.02`	`hruske`	`AM\|R init=/bin/bash drops you to a root shell.`
`06:13.05`	`cahoot`	`AM\|R: on my sarge there's a /var/backup to consider`
`06:13.09`	`rabies`	`hum...`
`06:13.12`	`rabies`	`nother night`
`06:13.14`	`Blackhold`	`Supaplex, I'm not able to mount it /dev/st0`
`06:13.15`	`AM\|R`	`ermm`
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`06:13.26`	`AM\|R`	`i tried linux single but failed`
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`06:13.44`	`AM\|R`	`i will try init=/bin/bash`
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`06:14.13`	`stew`	`AM\|R: you could also boot a livecd and chroot`
`06:14.14`	`Blackhold`	`sorry, now I'm able`
`06:14.15`	`hruske`	`AM\|R see /msg dpkg i forgot root's password`
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`06:15.10`	`AM\|R`	`i already boot live cd and mount the sda2 but error 990 exist`
`06:15.11`	`AM\|R`	`why?`
`06:15.25`	`Schiz0`	`"fsck your root FS"`
`06:15.28`	`Supaplex`	`Blackhold: you don't mount a tape drive.`
`06:15.29`	`Schiz0`	`Greatest quote.`
`06:15.37`	`Martian67`	`AM\|R for the fchk`
`06:15.44`	`Martian67`	`fsch`
`06:15.47`	`Martian67`	`...`
`06:15.54`	`Martian67`	`well you know what i mean`
`06:16.00`	`AM\|R`	`oki`
`06:16.01`	`AM\|R`	`thanks`
`06:16.03`	`AM\|R`	`i will try`
`06:16.53`	`Mestapheles`	`hi guys, I'm setting up an external firewire with XCDRoast. It's a 52x24x52. I'm a little confused over the write speed, some sites list it as 24 others as 52.`
`06:17.14`	`jm_`	`24x is for RW, 52x is for R media`
`06:17.20`	`Supaplex`	`record x rewrite x read`
`06:17.27`	`Mestapheles`	`k`
`06:17.48`	`Mestapheles`	`thanks, I'll set XCDRoast to that, or a little less.`
`06:18.21`	`Blackhold`	`Supaplex, how I say to cron that in 22:00 copyies the /var/www and the /var/lib/mysql/data files to /mnt/cinta each day=`
`06:18.21`	`peterS`	`Mestapheles: the other thing is - probably the maximum read and write speed will vary between the inside of the disc and the outside`
`06:18.36`	`jm_`	`make sure burnfree/burnproof is enabled for cdrecord`
`06:18.53`	`peterS`	`Mestapheles: a CD can only spin so fast before you start getting structural problems with it. at the inside of the disc that means something like 24x. at the outside, 52x or 56x.`
`06:18.56`	`Mestapheles`	`what speed do you recomend then,`
`06:19.00`	`Supaplex`	`Blackhold: man tar or cpio, and treat /dev/st0 like any tarball/cpio archive.`
`06:19.04`	`Mestapheles`	`k`
`06:19.28`	`peterS`	`Mestapheles: generally, modern drives don't need to be told a specific speed, you can let them go at the maximum. unless your CD-R media is only rated for a particular speed. don't ignore that, if so`
`06:19.30`	`Mestapheles`	`so one has to average it, to assure a good burn`
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`06:20.25`	`Mestapheles`	`its a "newer" MMC compliant Liteon LTR-52246S sold previously by lacie`
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`06:21.00`	`peterS`	`Mestapheles: well, if it's 52x24x52 it's new enough to probably not worry about providing a specific max speed`
`06:21.13`	`Mestapheles`	`it's got a buffer of 2mb to assure good burns, sure-burn I thin it was called.`
`06:21.16`	`Mestapheles`	`is rewrite the speed of writing while erasing a CD-RW while recording over it?`
`06:21.19`	`peterS`	`Mestapheles: try a dummy burn (there should be a checkbox for this somewhere), see what it does`
`06:21.27`	`Supaplex`	`Mestapheles: there is a test mode, try it at 52x and see if it works. then try a few cds. If you make a few coaster, you make a few. Personally I've only made a handfull of coasters since I had my first cdrw drive, so it's nothing to worry about. (esp with burnproof enabled)`
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`06:21.54`	`simonrvn`	`never had old non-mmc cd-rs then ;)`
`06:22.09`	`peterS`	`Mestapheles: and yeah, 'sure-burn' is probably another vendor's trademark for what is commonly called 'burnproof'`
`06:22.14`	`Supaplex`	`for cdrw you either have to blank or write, you can't rewrite on the fly`
`06:22.18`	`peterS`	`('burnproof' is someone's trademark)`
`06:22.49`	`wishie_`	`hmm`
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`06:22.57`	`Martian67`	`Supaplex: not with a udf-packetwriter like directcd or whatever its called`
`06:23.06`	`Martian67`	`i dont know if linux has an equivlent`
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`06:23.11`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: if i use the ipac.conf that came with the source, i get a syntax error.. line 10`
`06:23.26`	`wishie_`	`Agrajag-: i take it all i need is a working ipac.conf and rules.conf ?`
`06:23.27`	`Martian67`	`it has like a 30% overhead tho`
`06:23.32`	`peterS`	`Martian67: some kernels have packet writer support, some don't. they all have the udf filesystem.`
`06:23.34`	`Martian67`	`on the filesystem`
`06:23.38`	`Mestapheles`	`k, well I've set "CD Writer Speed" to 52x, and "Audio Read Speed" to 52x.`
`06:24.02`	`Martian67`	`peterS: anything in userland to support what im talking about?`
`06:24.06`	`peterS`	`Mestapheles: if you have really old audio CDs, slow that one down a bit. really old CDs can actually fly apart if you spin them that fast.`
`06:24.15`	`Martian67`	`cool :D`
`06:24.24`	`peterS`	`Martian67: I think you just mount the filesystem as udf. I haven't tried it.`
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`07:07.20`	`idnar`	`sheeeesh`
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`07:07.20`	`tarheelcoxn`	`no kidding`
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`07:07.23`	`Supaplex`	`it's no wonder I ignore joins/parts/quits :)`
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`07:07.32`	`naoliv`	`Hi. Why sometimes the command "who" says that someone is logged on the system, even when this user isn't on the system and there is no process of him?`
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`07:07.49`	`X2`	`g'day, does anyone know where i can find a good tutorial about setting up Horde IMP in debian?`
`07:07.54`	`idnar`	`Jul 9 05:02:02 server sshd[2504]: Excess permission or bad ownership on file /var/log/btmp`
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`07:08.00`	`idnar`	`what the heck are the permissions supposed to be?`
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`07:08.07`	`zu22`	`Schiz0: freenode is going schizo hehe`
`07:08.08`	`naoliv`	`idiwiddy: 600`
`07:08.17`	`Schiz0`	`Haha yeah it is.`
`07:08.17`	`naoliv`	`idnar: 600`
`07:08.20`	`naoliv`	`Sorry idiwiddy`
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`07:08.34`	`Schiz0`	`I think this has been the worst split[s] i've experenced.`
`07:08.35`	`idnar`	`naoliv: any idea why they would have changed to 664?`
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`07:09.03`	`naoliv`	`idnar: I don't know. The correct of btmp is 600 and it will refuse to works if the permission is not set to 600.`
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`07:09.21`	`Supaplex`	`lilo: what'd you break now? ;)`
`07:09.22`	`zu22`	`Schiz0: yup worse i ever saw on freenode`
`07:09.29`	`idnar`	`naoliv: erk. I hope I haven't been rooted`
`07:09.36`	`zu22`	`Schiz0: back in my efnet days i saw much worse though :)`
`07:10.00`	`naoliv`	`idnar: Strange... mu btmp is set to 664 too...`
`07:10.00`	`Schiz0`	`Hm`
`07:10.04`	`Schiz0`	`I'm not on efnet much`
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`07:10.10`	`idnar`	`naoliv: hmm`
`07:10.29`	`Supaplex`	`same here. -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 0 Jul 1 06:27 /var/log/btmp`
`07:10.55`	`idnar`	`well, heh`
`07:11.53`	`naoliv`	`Supaplex, idnar: Maybe it is something with the last update of the login package.`
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`07:13.01`	`idnar`	`naoliv: #314956 in the bts seems appropriate`
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`07:13.45`	`naoliv`	`idnar: I will take a look.`
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`07:15.29`	`tarzeau`	`hm`
`07:15.53`	`naoliv`	`idnar: Debian has wrong permissions on the btmp file... :-/`
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`07:17.00`	`naoliv`	`People, does anybody knows why sometimes the command "who" says that someone is logged on the system, even when this user isn't on the system and there is no process of him?`
`07:17.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`naoliv: because that user shows up in the accounting`
`07:17.26`	`sciboy`	`Heya, I wish to use IrDA to sync with my Palm IIIx but i don't know how to set it up under debian, i am on a Toshiba Satellite 5205-S505 with a Infrared that Windows XP detected as SMC (FIR), any help would be greatly appreciated.`
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`07:17.57`	`caustic`	`hello all:)`
`07:18.10`	`sciboy`	`Heya caustic =P`
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`07:18.17`	`naoliv`	`dondelelcaro: (I am feeling ignorant hehe) Could you explain to me this better?`
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`07:18.52`	`simonrvn`	`split was more major (is that good grammar?) than i thought`
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`07:23.10`	`zu22`	`simonrvn: ya big netquake`
`07:23.10`	`valdyn`	`naoliv: accounting is done in /var/run/utmp or somesuch, if a user drops out and that file is not adjusted then he will show on 'who' while not being logged in, happens for example if you "log" an ssh user out by just unplugging network`
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`07:24.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`dpkg: status`
`07:24.03`	`dpkg`	`Since Sun Jul 3 09:41:23 2005, there have been 101 modifications, 4377 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1422 commands. I have been awake for 7d 21h 42m 40s this session, and currently reference 25804 factoids. I'm using about 15976 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1699.3/81.87 child 1370.9/95.58`
`07:24.04`	`sciboy`	`I had to score myself a HP Scanjet 4470C didn't i. X\|`
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`07:24.23`	`sciboy`	`Oh well, atleast it can do low-res greyscale scans...`
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`07:24.36`	`naoliv`	`valdyn: Can't I "remove" this user from utmp file?`
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`07:24.48`	`valdyn`	`naoliv: i have no idea`
`07:24.57`	`naoliv`	`valdyn: Right. Thank you!`
`07:25.02`	`valdyn`	`naoliv: i mean, you sure can.. i have no idea how.`
`07:25.28`	`valdyn`	`!utmp`
`07:25.28`	`dpkg`	`from memory, utmp is it records information on who is currently logged in. see btmp, or see "man utmp"`
`07:25.45`	`exobyte`	`on knoppix (sorry), I installed sredird, a serial port redirector. I believe it is set up correctly using inetd and services. A remote computer can connect, but fails at anything more. Ideas?`
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`07:25.53`	`hruske`	`hmm`
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`07:26.19`	`hruske`	`we're not supposed to idle, if i understand correctly?`
`07:26.27`	`naoliv`	`valdyn: I will give a look at the manual. Thank you one more time.`
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`07:26.34`	`Morti`	`hruske: Eh?`
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`07:26.51`	`hruske`	`Morti i keep getting of the channel :)`
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`07:27.26`	`Morti`	`I've been idling fine here for a couple of weeks and only speaking occasionally.`
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`07:27.47`	`hruske`	`strange. :)`
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`07:27.49`	`liable`	`hruske: been netsplits.`
`07:27.52`	`hruske`	`lucky you ;)`
`07:27.58`	`hruske`	`oh. that'll be it then.`
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`07:28.03`	`valdyn`	`hruske: maybe b/c of netsplits, maybe b/c your irc client sucks. but idling here is not restricted.`
`07:28.11`	`Morti`	`Yeah, I think my client auto reconnected a few times.`
`07:28.28`	`error410`	`i thought there had been a netsplit`
`07:28.38`	`hruske`	`hey, has anybody tried bringing readahead to debian?`
`07:28.39`	`Schiz0`	`There were a few`
`07:28.42`	`error410`	`or more than one`
`07:28.42`	`error410`	`lol`
`07:28.44`	`error410`	`ouch`
`07:28.47`	`Schiz0`	`yeah.`
`07:28.54`	`Schiz0`	`Biggest one I've see yet.`
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`07:29.03`	`valdyn`	`hruske: readahead?`
`07:29.15`	`error410`	`so let me guess, the floods of auto-connects is what throws people into overflow channels, right?`
`07:29.26`	`Schiz0`	`Yep.`
`07:29.33`	`simonrvn`	`due to the channel modes`
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`07:29.42`	`hruske`	`yes, speeding the bootup by reading files ahead`
`07:29.44`	`Schiz0`	`And I have an autowhois script I use for other networks, and it kinda flooded me like hell`
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`07:29.50`	`hruske`	`valdyn, ubuntu has it.`
`07:29.52`	`Blackhold`	`hello`
`07:29.54`	`Blackhold`	`has the split off?`
`07:30.03`	`valdyn`	`hruske: explain what you mean with 'readahead'`
`07:30.03`	`Schiz0`	`I think it's over Blackhold.`
`07:30.12`	`Blackhold`	`well thnks`
`07:30.22`	`liable`	`hruske: laptop?`
`07:30.24`	`zu22`	`blackhold: you can go back to bed now, storm is over :)`
`07:30.31`	`hruske`	`valdyn, it's a package, that mmaps files used at boot, to make system boot faster`
`07:30.32`	`Blackhold`	`well I've saved information to a tape disk`
`07:30.36`	`Blackhold`	`zu22, lol`
`07:30.38`	`hruske`	`liable, no`
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`07:31.28`	`Blackhold`	`thtat, I have saved information to a tape disk, how can I see if it is saved in it? I can't mount the unity like a cdrom unit or a hd unit`
`07:31.32`	`Blackhold`	`don't leaves mes`
`07:31.59`	`arno`	`how do i check what my eth0 mediatype is set as (full duplex, half duplex, 10mbits, 100 mbits etc..)?`
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`07:32.17`	`hruske`	`arno mii-tool`
`07:32.28`	`valdyn`	`arno: run ethtool or mii-tool ( depending on your driver )`
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`07:32.30`	`hruske`	`arno and mii-diag`
`07:32.38`	`arno`	`thanks :)`
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`07:34.33`	`windowmaker`	`hey guys, somehow my windows partition deleted itself, and i undeleted it with partitionmagic rescue diskettes, and now i can't set any other partition active, resulting in grub coming up (like usual) but windows won't boot, saying that there s a certain ".sys" file missing (i can't remember)`
`07:35.10`	`jm_`	`#debian can't help you with Windows issues`
`07:35.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`windowmaker: so install the .syss file`
`07:35.25`	`deadcat`	`HAHAHAHHAAH thats whta you get (=`
`07:35.48`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: what version of the airport card firmware showing on linux?`
`07:35.49`	`error403`	`windowmaker, then overwrite your windows partition with a linux partition of your choice?`
`07:36.17`	`error403`	`lol`
`07:36.23`	`error403`	`never mind....`
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`07:36.29`	`simonrvn`	`like we care about windows here`
`07:36.41`	`liable`	`windowmaker: prolly best to ask that one in a windows channel.`
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`07:36.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`deadcat: Jan 10 22:38:15 xieana kernel: eth1: Looks like a Lucent/Agere firmware version 8.40`
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`07:37.14`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: how the f. mine is showing 4.16 only. by the way i got one (=`
`07:37.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`nice`
`07:37.28`	`windowmaker`	`liable: you ahve a point, but then they'll be all like "linux is lame you retard" and i really need grub to still be intact`
`07:37.48`	`liable`	`windowmaker: fix it, then re-install grub.`
`07:37.58`	`hruske`	`windowmaker, it's easier reinstalling grub.`
`07:38.02`	`liable`	`windowmaker: if you have to.`
`07:38.03`	`hruske`	`than windows.`
`07:38.12`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: ya. $35 (from the base station snow, i took the card out.) it show version 9.x inside a friend's ibook using osx, but 4.1x on linux )= i dont know how to upgrade it.`
`07:38.21`	`Blackhold`	`I have typed -> tar cvf /dev/st0 /var/lib/mysql and the computer has write in the type. How can I see if the information is really written?`
`07:38.30`	`windowmaker`	`liable: how do i re-nstall grub`
`07:38.46`	`jm_`	`BlackJudas: how do you test tar archives?`
`07:38.48`	`liable`	`windowmaker: go fix it, then come back if you have too..`
`07:38.52`	`jm_`	`Blackhold see above`
`07:38.58`	`windowmaker`	`fix what?`
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`07:39.03`	`zu22`	`Blackhold: you can tar xvf it into /tmp and check`
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`07:39.23`	`windowmaker`	`liable: fix what? the .sys file, because it always has that message when the wrong drive is active`
`07:39.30`	`liable`	`windowmaker: erm, windows?`
`07:39.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`deadcat: yeah, enither do I`
`07:39.34`	`hruske`	`windowmaker http://wiki.debian.net/?GrubRecover`
`07:39.44`	`windowmaker`	`hruske: thanksyou ^_^`
`07:39.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`deadcat: I'm not even sure if mine is reporting what it is correctly`
`07:40.14`	`Blackhold`	`it don't leaves me :(`
`07:40.41`	`tarzeau`	`windowmaker: you use windowmaker?`
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`07:40.43`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: iwlist ethX keys`
`07:40.58`	`windowmaker`	`tarzeau: nope, it's a joke on "widow maker"`
`07:41.10`	`windowmaker`	`HI THOMAS!!!!!!!!!`
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`07:41.24`	`zu22`	`is there wiki for this channel that lists websites of channel members? i saw one for #lisp it was cool`
`07:41.31`	`windowmaker`	`rixth: HELLO THOMAS!`
`07:41.44`	`tarzeau`	`zu22: there is a wiki, but i disabled global write access`
`07:41.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`deadcat: it doesn't understand keys...`
`07:41.56`	`rixth`	`Dude, not cool. Esp. in a channel with lots of people...`
`07:42.04`	`hruske`	`valdyn this readahead http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/2004121101-readahead.html`
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`07:42.16`	`windowmaker`	`rixth: my mum says i'm cool`
`07:42.27`	`rixth`	`Someone +q this guy?`
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`07:42.45`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: key, or encryption`
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`07:43.37`	`zu22`	`tarzeau: ah, url?`
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`07:43.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`deadcat: eth1 2 key sizes : 40, 104bits`
`07:43.53`	`jm_`	`zu22: read the topic`
`07:43.54`	`tarzeau`	`dpkg topicbadger zu22`
`07:43.55`	`dpkg`	`/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic READ ITREAD IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic a shaaame it's a shaaame that zu22 didn't read the /topic /topic /topic /topic...`
`07:43.57`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: dang. i got nothing.`
`07:44.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`hrm... wierd`
`07:44.08`	`zu22`	`tarzeau: hehe sorry`
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`07:44.21`	`tarzeau`	`zu22: this badger badger badger is so funny :)`
`07:44.36`	`windowmaker`	`hruske: does it have to be from a live-cd when i re-install grub, because i'm using debian right now, and it works perfect`
`07:44.38`	`zu22`	`tarzeau: ya haha`
`07:44.49`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: we have storm and rain too`
`07:45.08`	`rocky23`	`im having this weird logging problem, i set up an additional logrotate rule a few days ago (its gone now) and i restart syslogd ever since kern.* doesnt seem to be logging, as i have this set in syslog.cong as kern.* -/var/log/iptables.log .. and ive got iptables rules with logging which have been there for a year and i know work fine. just nothing is coming up in the log it just stays 0 in size. ive tried changing the na`
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`07:45.57`	`simonrvn`	`what's that site with all those audio apps? it's got links to other sites and deb lines that you can fetch packages from`
`07:46.05`	`error403`	`whats up with albertazzi albz being the same person?`
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`07:46.11`	`simonrvn`	`had to do with mplayer too as i recall`
`07:46.15`	`error403`	`*and`
`07:46.18`	`Phated`	`marillat?`
`07:46.27`	`simonrvn`	`no, another`
`07:46.34`	`Phated`	`Hm.`
`07:46.35`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: the one that has the broken lame ?`
`07:46.45`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: or the debian sub project?`
`07:46.48`	`Phated`	`Heh.`
`07:46.50`	`simonrvn`	`wouldn't know, but might be`
`07:47.00`	`windowmaker`	`hruske: does it have to be from a live-cd when i re-install grub, because i'm using debian right now, and it works perfect`
`07:47.01`	`simonrvn`	`tarheelcoxn: sub-project?`
`07:47.06`	`simonrvn`	`tarheelcoxn: sorry`
`07:47.11`	`simonrvn`	`tarzeau: ^^`
`07:47.44`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: www.agnula.org`
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`07:48.07`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: i do my own mplayer/lame packages`
`07:48.13`	`rocky23`	`anyone got any ideas on the weird logging problems ? :) i dont know what to do i dont really want to restart the box but i fear i may have to`
`07:48.27`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: there's also www.debian-unofficial.org`
`07:48.39`	`hruske`	`windowmaker, well you need to boot either livecd or debian install cd`
`07:49.03`	`simonrvn`	`ok. thank you. i'll check those out`
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`07:49.35`	`simonrvn`	`i need to extract various sound bits, and do editing, and needs to be done rather carefully`
`07:49.51`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: why not just use audacity?`
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`07:50.02`	`simonrvn`	`i'm installing it now`
`07:50.17`	`streuner`	`hm`
`07:50.30`	`naoliv`	`Do the Debian CD has something like a rescue shell included on it? For example, typing "rescue" it will enter a shell, instead of the installer.`
`07:50.50`	`jm_`	`you can easily get a shell with it`
`07:51.10`	`jm_`	`the old installer even mentioned it during first few screens, not sure about the new one`
`07:51.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`the new one doesn't mention it, because you can run the shell from the menu or by hitting ctrl-alt-f2`
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`07:52.30`	`naoliv`	`jm_, dondelelcaro: Good to know this.`
`07:53.13`	`Blackhold`	`please`
`07:53.20`	`Blackhold`	`could some one take me a hand? :_`
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`07:53.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`Blackhold: just ask your question.`
`07:53.35`	`Blackhold`	`I'm trying to mount a tape device, and I couldn't`
`07:53.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`Blackhold: you generally don't mount tape devices. You read them.`
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`07:53.55`	`valdyn`	`Blackhold: you cannot mount tape devices.`
`07:53.57`	`Blackhold`	`I could write in it (I think so) and I cant acces to information`
`07:54.01`	`Blackhold`	`I'm really lost`
`07:54.10`	`Blackhold`	`I don't know anything of tapes`
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`07:54.29`	`rocky23`	`im having this weird logging problem, i set up an additional logrotate rule a few days ago (its gone now) and i restart syslogd ever since kern.* doesnt seem to be logging, as i have this set in syslog.cong as kern.* -/var/log/iptables.log .. and ive got iptables rules with logging which have been there for a year and i know work fine. just nothing is coming up in the log it just stays 0 in size. ive tried changing the na`
`07:54.40`	`Blackhold`	`How can I know if the information is good written in tape disk?`
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`07:55.07`	`car0lina`	`ola`
`07:55.11`	`car0lina`	`quien me puede ayudar?`
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`07:55.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`Blackhold: use less on the tape device, or read the data back out.`
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`07:57.14`	`naoliv`	`car0lina: Just English here. To Spanish, try #debian-es os ask your question in English.`
`07:57.47`	`car0lina`	`gracias`
`07:57.51`	`car0lina`	`thanks`
`07:57.52`	`car0lina`	`:)`
`07:57.56`	`stb_`	`ok i've looked around and burn the latest sid debian-installer but modprobe via-velocity doesn't work`
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`07:58.19`	`stb_`	`i know the amd64 version has it and working results with my mobo but i dont want to switch over yet`
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`07:59.08`	`ionrivera`	`hi! im just new in linux... just wanna ask what to do coz im receiving errors "failed to acess debian archive" in the apt configuration" during my "debian testing" net install which i downloaded few months ago..`
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`07:59.23`	`stb_`	`are there any isos available? could i use say knoppix and get rid off all their crap`
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`08:00.01`	`tarzeau`	`stb_: no you can't`
`08:00.09`	`stb_`	`right`
`08:00.14`	`stb_`	`brb`
`08:00.41`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: there? i'd also like the kernel config file`
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`08:02.20`	`simonrvn`	`oh poo. need to reboot... fucking irqs are fucked (swears at ISA some more)`
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`08:03.07`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: wow, you still have got isa? soundcard?`
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`08:03.31`	`simonrvn`	`yeh`
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`08:03.46`	`Blackhold`	`dondelelcaro, how can I know if I write correctly the information in the tape?? If I'll have any problem how could I recover the information?`
`08:03.56`	`liable`	`ionrivera: is the machine connected directly to the net? do you get a time out (does the machine get dhcp lease or what?) more details. Try another mirror...`
`08:04.03`	`simonrvn`	`i'd rather have a pci one, but that's all i could get. i'd found one, but that got given to someone else`
`08:04.30`	`simonrvn`	`anyway, brb. oh, it's some OSS-only card, too, PAS something`
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`08:04.42`	`jm_`	`Pro Audio Spectrum?`
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`08:04.49`	`asuffield`	`haha, a PAS, fucking ancient`
`08:04.53`	`simonrvn`	`<Pro AudioSpectrum 16D rev 191> at 0x388 irq 10 dma 3`
`08:05.01`	`jm_`	`hehe`
`08:05.05`	`asuffield`	`0x388? they're normally at 0x330`
`08:05.14`	`simonrvn`	`ok`
`08:05.40`	`asuffield`	`I had one of those bitches once. it has an sb8 clone chip onboard`
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`08:05.50`	`simonrvn`	`oh, sb8, ok`
`08:05.54`	`asuffield`	`so technically you can use the classic sb driver, but don't`
`08:06.07`	`simonrvn`	`yeh. i figured that out rather quickly`
`08:06.08`	`asuffield`	`8bit audio sounds like shit`
`08:06.17`	`simonrvn`	`i know =)`
`08:06.24`	`jm_`	`kernel docs say 0x388 is default for it`
`08:06.47`	`simonrvn`	`also loading opl3 for it`
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`08:07.20`	`simonrvn`	`hmm`
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`08:08.55`	`Blackhold`	`how can I access to information hosted in a tape?`
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`08:09.06`	`resiak`	`Put it in your tape drive?`
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`08:09.15`	`Blackhold`	`resiak is it in the tape`
`08:09.28`	`Blackhold`	`the tapes doesn't mount`
`08:09.31`	`bob2`	`talk to your sysadmin`
`08:09.41`	`Blackhold`	`the sysadmin I 'am me`
`08:10.02`	`valdyn`	`Blackhold: its not possible to mount tapes`
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`08:10.07`	`jm_`	`!tell Blackhold -about enter`
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`08:10.59`	`Blackhold`	`I'm very streessed`
`08:11.23`	`jm_`	`I have asked you ages ago - how do you test tar archives?`
`08:11.32`	`Blackhold`	`jm_ I have tell it a thousand times`
`08:11.39`	`jm_`	`Blackhold: no you haven't`
`08:11.50`	`Blackhold`	`jm_ I have putted a tape unit`
`08:11.55`	`Blackhold`	`the kernel detects it`
`08:12.14`	`jm_`	`Blackhold: no I don't care about that - tell me how does one test tar archive? and please read what dpkg has told you about enter key`
`08:12.14`	`Blackhold`	`I have typed tar cvf /dev/st0 /var/lib/mysql`
`08:12.20`	`Blackhold`	`and the tape started to write`
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`08:12.33`	`Blackhold`	`now I want to know if there's anything tiped in tape`
`08:13.06`	`Blackhold`	`and I would know if theres any problem some day`
`08:13.11`	`valdyn`	`i wonder how your st0 looks now, since you used 'f'`
`08:13.12`	`tarzeau`	`LOL`
`08:13.17`	`tarzeau`	`why does he use f on a tape?`
`08:13.24`	`Blackhold`	`how could I access to information`
`08:13.30`	`valdyn`	`Blackhold: ls -l /dev/st0`
`08:13.55`	`Blackhold`	`crw-rw---- 1 root tape 9, 0 2005-07-07 20:56 /dev/st0`
`08:13.57`	`tarzeau`	`Blackhold: are you sure mysql is not running? you shouldn't restore/backup that stuff when it's running`
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`08:15.25`	`Blackhold`	`tarzeau, if it is working I could copy some files`
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`08:15.30`	`Blackhold`	`now I'm making tests`
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`08:15.40`	`Blackhold`	`and if I start to stop mysql server`
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`08:15.57`	`Blackhold`	`I'll have in a few seconds the half of my empresa`
`08:16.03`	`tsabakanito`	`!seen \|stefan\|`
`08:16.03`	`dpkg`	`i haven't seen '\|stefan\|', tsabakanito`
`08:16.10`	`Blackhold`	`here question what happens with the program...`
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`08:16.40`	`stb_`	`so what is the best way to get a 2.6 kernel (via velocity drivers) on a netinstall iso? i only have win2k atm`
`08:16.52`	`arno`	`how do i restart an eth interface? ifconfig eth0 down/up doesn't reset the number of packets`
`08:16.56`	`jm_`	`the best way is to read Installation manual`
`08:17.04`	`valdyn`	`!custom netinstall`
`08:17.09`	`tarzeau`	`Blackhold: look it won't work when mysql is running`
`08:17.25`	`tarzeau`	`Blackhold: how large is the database?`
`08:17.31`	`valdyn`	`mysql should have a command to dump a snapshot of you db anyway?`
`08:17.41`	`stb_`	`!custom netinstall`
`08:17.50`	`Blackhold`	`now it has about 5 megs`
`08:18.11`	`valdyn`	`!tell stb_ about custom netinst`
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`08:20.56`	`liable`	`Blackhold: have seen karstens back up page? http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html`
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`08:20.57`	`andrewc`	`yay debian shifting to gcc 4.0 :D`
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`08:20.57`	`jm_`	`heh`
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`08:20.57`	`fooz`	`afraid of your compiler? :P`
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`08:20.58`	`andrewc`	`I just went through the lists cause my sid was screwed up`
`08:21.11`	`andrewc`	`for me new = better :D`
`08:21.53`	`andrewc`	`that is all mesa needs to know`
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`08:21.54`	`nomad_cz`	`Hi. Just wondering - am I right that partimage is not included in Sarge ? I am asking because it seems partimage-doc is there but binaries not ...`
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`08:21.54`	`streuner`	`Someone made some pictures (debconf)?`
`08:22.03`	`valdyn`	`!info partimage sarge`
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`08:22.13`	`sapphire`	`yes`
`08:22.22`	`sapphire`	`streuner, me have gallery`
`08:22.24`	`streuner`	`URL?`
`08:22.38`	`sapphire`	`at sapphire.lugzdk.ba/gallery`
`08:22.50`	`sapphire`	`hope u like it`
`08:22.51`	`Blackhold`	`that that says in that website doesn't work`
`08:22.57`	raz`aw	`hi all.`
`08:22.57`	`Blackhold`	`that a really shit! >:(`
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`08:23.22`	`sapphire`	`ihi`
`08:23.24`	`sapphire`	`hi`
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`08:23.30`	`blondie\|broken`	`o.o`
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`08:23.32`	`sapphire`	`:)`
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`08:23.55`	`nomad_cz`	`!info partimage-doc sarge`
`08:24.00`	`dpkg`	`partimage-doc: (Partition Image User Documentation), section doc, is optional. Version: 20020126-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 220 kB`
`08:24.07`	`nomad_cz`	`!info partimage sarge`
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`08:24.23`	`Blackhold`	`thanks for nothing`
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`08:24.29`	`streuner`	`sapphire: thanks`
`08:24.34`	`nomad_cz`	`!info partimage etch`
`08:24.34`	`liable`	`nomad_cz: its only in sid at the moment. You can get it with knoppix or others..`
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`08:24.48`	`valdyn`	`!simple sid backport`
`08:24.48`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :)`
`08:24.50`	`litb`	`i get a link error "symbol __dso_handle" loading a shared library using debian/testing`
`08:25.26`	`nomad_cz`	`liable: I see. Hmm. It is strange, is not it ? Why to have docs and not binaries ? ;)`
`08:25.44`	`liable`	`nomad_cz: try looking at bts for why.`
`08:25.50`	`litb`	`the smbol c`
`08:26.00`	`litb`	`is undefined, it says`
`08:26.33`	`litb`	`i have read that this error is caused by a broken 'ld' in binutils.`
`08:26.37`	`simonrvn`	`was getting IRQ timeout errors, hence the reboot to check the IRQ, DMA and ISA settings in the fricking BIOS settings...`
`08:27.06`	`litb`	`can i upgrade this binutil from unstable but using debian/testing?`
`08:27.10`	`simonrvn`	`be easier if you'd have a device-tree in /proc, like on mac PPCs and sparcs`
`08:27.18`	`simonrvn`	`(other OF machines too)`
`08:28.08`	`nomad_cz`	`liable: Sorry. And thanks ;)`
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`08:30.10`	`streuner`	`sapphire: are you the admin of http://sapphire.lugzdk.ba/ ?`
`08:30.32`	`renegad3`	`hi guys, I used module-assistant to build my atiixp driver, then I use alsaconf to select the driver... and woOp sound worked :) but the problem is when I reboot the module isnt loaded and I have to go into alsaconf everytime, is there a way to hard code it (as far as im concerned, it should already do so) is there something else I should do??`
`08:31.11`	`valdyn`	`renegad3: add it to /etc/modules`
`08:31.26`	`renegad3`	`alsao what is the driver for the atheros wireless card?? if I do a apt-cache search it lists 'hostaps'...`
`08:31.31`	`renegad3`	`valdyn, thanx mate`
`08:32.15`	`renegad3`	`'hostapd'*`
`08:32.30`	`valdyn`	`renegad3: driver is normally loaded by discover or hotplug, which are either not working for your device or not installed`
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`08:34.10`	`renegad3`	`valdyn, I dont think its install as I did a ver bery basic install (which is the way I like things). This is the first time for me to play around with wireless, so I am unsure of what is requiered for a wreless card. i did install the wireless-tools package, and thats about it`
`08:34.20`	`stjepan_`	`hi`
`08:34.30`	`stjepan_`	`do you know how to get GPL licence?`
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`08:35.01`	`valdyn`	`stjepan_: www.gnu.org`
`08:35.07`	`liable`	`renegad3: madwifi.`
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`08:35.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`stjepan_: or less /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL`
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`08:35.33`	`renegad3`	`liable, ta, i will try that now`
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`08:35.45`	`liable`	`renegad3: you have to compile it.`
`08:35.59`	`renegad3`	`ohh ok`
`08:36.06`	`streuner`	`dondelelcaro: did you make any pictures? (debconf)`
`08:36.28`	`liable`	`renegad3: sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/`
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`08:36.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`streuner: some; I'll post them eventually`
`08:36.31`	`renegad3`	`liable, ta`
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`08:37.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`http://naru2.oldskool.fi/~webcam/ is the smöki webcam`
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`08:39.59`	`jimi`	`does someone know of a taskbar utility for linux that resembles the network icon in windows?`
`08:40.12`	`zu22`	`dondelelcaro: your website yes? i wish see it`
`08:40.32`	`nomad_cz`	`How large will be performance penalty for using sw raid1 on server ? (mail boxes + home directories)`
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`08:44.01`	`streuner`	`nomad_cz: \|-----------------\|`
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`08:44.34`	`fooz`	`nomad_cz, how many thousands of users?`
`08:44.52`	`zu22`	`dondelelcaro: i read the sw-pat law was struck down by EU :) yay!`
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`08:45.52`	`deadcat`	`still no xorg )=`
`08:45.59`	`deadcat`	`its been over a year no?`
`08:46.03`	`nomad_cz`	`fooz: Just hundreds ;)`
`08:46.13`	`streuner`	`deadcat: /msg dpkg xorg`
`08:46.13`	`fooz`	`nomad_cz, negligible then`
`08:46.23`	`deadcat`	`streuner: ya. thats useless`
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`08:46.38`	`streuner`	`dpkg, x.org`
`08:46.39`	`dpkg`	`i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress.`
`08:46.39`	`nomad_cz`	`fooz: Thanks.`
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`08:46.48`	`zu22`	`wow`
`08:46.58`	`zu22`	`is everyone happy the EU stopped software patent law?`
`08:47.03`	`zu22`	`can similiar law pass US?`
`08:47.07`	`Phated`	`Hahaha.`
`08:47.13`	`dawg`	`deadcat, http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/14794.html`
`08:47.15`	`streuner`	`deadcat: true, greycat wrote a new one`
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`08:47.32`	`fooz`	`the US is about money, not clue`
`08:47.33`	`deadcat`	`streuner: new one?`
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`08:47.58`	`deadcat`	`dawg: nice thanks`
`08:48.26`	`streuner`	`deadcat: /msg dpkg xorg debs`
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`08:49.14`	`liable`	`hmm, been backported even..`
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`08:49.50`	`deadcat`	`dawg: when you think it will be in sid? (=`
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`08:50.26`	`liable`	`deadcat: just get it, if you want it.`
`08:50.36`	`jethro`	`damn it's been a pain to come back.`
`08:50.38`	`dawg`	`deadcat, wir... in other words your guess is as good as mine ;)`
`08:50.40`	`zu22`	`fooz: poor suffer in US :( less socialist programs :( rich get richer US`
`08:50.44`	`deadcat`	`liable: dont feel like hos'ing my machine`
`08:51.07`	`liable`	`deadcat: bah, live on the edge.. :P`
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`08:51.27`	`streuner`	`X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-0pre1v1 20050623145528 david@squee.verizon.net)`
`08:51.49`	`streuner`	`deadcat: running pretty stable here on my sid box, just give them a try`
`08:51.51`	`fooz`	`pfft wimps.. why not just compile X yourself`
`08:52.02`	`streuner`	`fooz: no need`
`08:52.08`	`nomad_cz`	`zu22: Hmm. EU sucks as well ;)`
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`08:53.18`	`fooz`	`probably nobody here even knows how to build X :/`
`08:53.39`	`liable`	`fooz: go ask in gentoo. :P`
`08:53.46`	`fooz`	`they don't know how to either`
`08:54.37`	`liable`	`fooz: are you gonna give it a go? whats so hard about it?`
`08:54.41`	`deadcat`	`streuner: i have ppc`
`08:54.44`	`fooz`	`i used to do it all the time`
`08:54.44`	`MobyTurbo`	`!they don't know`
`08:54.44`	`dpkg`	`Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`08:54.51`	`fooz`	`i'm just trolling really`
`08:55.02`	`deadcat`	`liable: been on that edge twice. i had to remove all X apps and reinstall xfree86 (=`
`08:55.04`	`liable`	`fooz: bastard.`
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`08:55.13`	`streuner`	`deadcat: DOH, forgot it`
`08:55.33`	`liable`	`deadcat: :P buy a thinkpad.. :P`
`08:56.00`	`fooz`	`i don't have time anymore to build stuff like that, even if i wanted to`
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`08:58.14`	`fooz`	`probably the last time I did was when I was running utah-glx, or maybe when I was running BSD`
`08:58.21`	`fooz`	`i don't remember which happened later :D`
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`08:58.31`	`deadcat`	`liable: my ibook is nice. but if i have $ i will get a X40 thinkpad as well (=`
`08:58.49`	`liable`	`deadcat: :)`
`08:58.51`	`bluefox83`	`how do i set the CC system variable?`
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`08:59.07`	`bluefox83`	`CC= whatever`
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`08:59.56`	`simonrvn`	`what is this for?`
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`09:00.10`	`bluefox83`	`this is kind of important...i can't even compile the drivers for my video card until i reset the CC= variable`
`09:00.18`	`fooz`	`but if everyone here had experience building something like X, they wouldn't whine so much about why x.org isn't in debian main yet :P`
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`09:00.33`	`simonrvn`	`i've built xorg from cvs source`
`09:00.43`	`fooz`	`it's not really building it that is hard, it's making it work properly with all the thousands of debian packages`
`09:00.53`	`simonrvn`	`bluefox83: CC=gcc-56.3.1 for instance`
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`09:01.11`	`cbr`	`the Debian X Strike Force (nifty name btw) should move their asses about X.org really IMHO..`
`09:01.14`	`bluefox83`	`yeah, how do i set CC=3.3?`
`09:01.26`	`fooz`	`simonrvn, i see you're running the GCC CVS there :)`
`09:01.32`	`bluefox83`	`er, gcc-3.3`
`09:01.48`	`strawboat`	`lol gcc 3.3.6`
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`09:01.58`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, set it to the name of the gcc executable you want to run`
`09:01.58`	`strawboat`	`stable`
`09:02.00`	`fooz`	`or any executable`
`09:02.04`	`simonrvn`	`as a deb? nah, that's the very fucking hard part. i was watching gravity and daniels discuss it, man, the 10 000 packages just for x libs is gonna be quite a feat when they pull it off`
`09:02.18`	`fooz`	`simonrvn, ?`
`09:02.21`	`simonrvn`	`(exagerrating, of course)`
`09:02.24`	`fooz`	`heh`
`09:02.27`	`simonrvn`	`er, gg, r`
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`09:02.43`	`fooz`	`oh yeah, x.org's all split up isn't it?`
`09:02.47`	`fooz`	`i've never run it`
`09:02.50`	`fooz`	`too lazy/no need`
`09:03.07`	`simonrvn`	`yeh, they're working on getting the packages going with that`
`09:03.11`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: i just type in CC=gcc-3.3 ?`
`09:03.18`	`ethics`	`im sure they aqre ripping apart ubuntus debs a bit too which should speed it up considerably`
`09:03.22`	`strawboat`	`s/er\|gg\|r//g`
`09:03.24`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, that will set the variable CC, yes`
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`09:03.31`	`nxvl`	`can i broke a CD-ROM making "cat some.iso > /dev/hdc" ??`
`09:03.31`	`bluefox83`	`cool`
`09:03.45`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, but to make it available to programs you run in that shell, you need to export it`
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`09:04.00`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: how do i do that?`
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`09:04.07`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, which shell are you using?`
`09:04.14`	`simonrvn`	`man bash; /export`
`09:04.27`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: i dunno, i never booted into X`
`09:04.30`	`fooz`	`i need more music`
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`09:04.37`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, what's X have to do with your command shell?`
`09:04.47`	`simonrvn`	`what's x have to do with your shell?`
`09:04.55`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: i don't know what shell i use outside of X`
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`09:05.02`	`simonrvn`	`uh`
`09:05.09`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, type echo $SHELL`
`09:05.09`	`bluefox83`	`probably bash`
`09:05.14`	`simonrvn`	`do you know what a shell is?`
`09:05.19`	`zu22`	`nomad_cz: yes but at least in EU university is affordable and health care for everyone ;)`
`09:05.28`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: nothing happened`
`09:05.32`	`ethics`	`fooz: i need less hehe`
`09:05.35`	`fooz`	`heh`
`09:05.47`	`fooz`	`ethics, so much music i want but can't afford to buy that many CDs`
`09:05.49`	`bluefox83`	`simonrvn: not really`
`09:05.53`	`deadcat`	`do i apt-get install xserver-xorg?`
`09:06.26`	`fooz`	`ethics, what sucks is among those there's some rare albums that i'd have to pay like $200 for`
`09:06.31`	`concept10`	`What p2p app do you guys use?`
`09:06.51`	`fooz`	`concept10, irssi`
`09:06.51`	`deadcat`	`limewire`
`09:06.51`	`fooz`	`hehe`
`09:06.55`	`strawboat`	`$200 USD ?`
`09:06.58`	`fooz`	`strawboat, yes`
`09:07.04`	`concept10`	`deadcat, limewire sucks - it crashes to much`
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`09:07.19`	`deadcat`	`streuner: its removing xserver-xfree86`
`09:07.22`	`fooz`	`concept10, you ask what people use, then put down what they use? what point does that serve?`
`09:07.22`	`concept10`	`deadcat, any other solutioN?`
`09:07.27`	`deadcat`	`concept10: stop bitching`
`09:07.34`	`bluefox83`	`how do i export my gcc?`
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`09:07.57`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, you export the variable`
`09:08.00`	`fooz`	`CC`
`09:08.06`	`concept10`	`deadcat, sorry, im not bitching - just asking for another alternative to limewire, you may use it if it works for you`
`09:08.10`	`liable`	`deadcat: it will, then dist-upgrade.`
`09:08.10`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: how?`
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`09:08.20`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, are you sure you should he compiling things with alternate GCC versions before you even know how to work the shell?`
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`09:08.38`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, what video card is so special that you need a non-standard driver for it?`
`09:08.44`	`deadcat`	`liable: i just apt-get isntall xserver-xorg`
`09:08.50`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: i had gcc-4.0 installed and the kernel-image i was trying to install was compiled with gcc-3.3`
`09:08.51`	`liable`	`deadcat: yeah`
`09:08.57`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: nvidia`
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`09:09.05`	`liable`	`deadcat: then do a dist-upgrade.`
`09:09.14`	`deadcat`	`liable: k`
`09:09.14`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i installed nvidia binary drivers(the debian way) successfully ,but Xfree crashes if i try to load the glx module any sugestions?`
`09:09.15`	`ethics`	`fooz: yeah im missing some older stuff i want but the last 10 years of top 40s i have hehe`
`09:09.18`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, nvidia card doesn't require non-standard drivers unless you're doing 3D work`
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`09:09.32`	`fooz`	`ethics, stuff i want isn't even old really`
`09:09.37`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: i am, now how to i export the damn CC variable?`
`09:09.45`	`fooz`	`ethics, it's just the Tool Salival boxset`
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`09:09.56`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, type man bash`
`09:09.59`	`tarzeau`	`what would an engrish filter do?`
`09:10.00`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, that's the manual`
`09:10.01`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, read.`
`09:10.04`	`tarzeau`	`replace r with l?`
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`09:10.14`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: i didn't see a damn thing about exporting in the manual`
`09:10.17`	`deadcat`	`liable: hope it doesnt blow my system up heheh.`
`09:10.19`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, no, it make you speaks like this`
`09:10.21`	`tarzeau`	`bugs.debian.org/141997`
`09:10.33`	`simonrvn`	`FFS!`
`09:10.33`	`liable`	`deadcat: hmm, might for ppc :P`
`09:10.33`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, we can't support you with vision problems, see an optometrist`
`09:10.36`	`tarzeau`	`fooz: you could writes such a filters?`
`09:10.38`	`viyyer`	`is there a debian package for koha? official/unofficial`
`09:10.49`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, probably`
`09:10.53`	`deadcat`	`liable: doing on my x86 desktop only. heheh`
`09:11.08`	`liable`	`deadcat: ahh, should be sweet.`
`09:11.12`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, i have friends that like writing bizarre filters`
`09:11.25`	`tarzeau`	`fooz: yay, it would be great for the "filters" package :)`
`09:11.28`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, like one time a friend spilled soda in his keyboard.. it made a few of his keys stick, other ones not work..`
`09:11.42`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, so my friend wrote a filter (on the MUD we use) to make everyone sound like they spilled coke on their keyboard`
`09:11.55`	`tarzeau`	`fooz: LOL :)`
`09:11.58`	`fooz`	`hehe`
`09:12.12`	`fooz`	`but it was lost in a server crash :/`
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`09:12.35`	`visik7`	`zlib isn't yet updated for woody ?`
`09:12.53`	`fooz`	`i have another friend who wrote basic language translators, like for japanese.. for another MUD`
`09:13.07`	`tarzeau`	`fooz: they don't release their stuffs?`
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`09:13.22`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, the thing is, it's all written for LambdaMOO`
`09:13.24`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, it's not in C`
`09:13.41`	`bluefox83`	`how do i check to make sure CC is set?`
`09:13.47`	`fooz`	`and a filter that makes you type like you have a broken keyboard is of dubious usefulness. it was just an inside joke hehe`
`09:14.07`	`strawboat`	`MUD was dead Ok?`
`09:14.09`	`tarzeau`	`fooz: checked the filters package yet .. ?`
`09:14.10`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, try using the variable`
`09:14.19`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: i don't know how`
`09:14.22`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, those are generally funny`
`09:14.24`	`fooz`	`bluefox83, try echo $CC`
`09:14.26`	`ethics`	`fooz: hmm i may have copies of them mp3ed hehe let me poke around a sec`
`09:14.27`	`tarzeau`	`fooz: it's really just for fun. don't debian have LambdaMOO ?`
`09:14.30`	`bluefox83`	`fooz: is there a way to echo the contents of CC?`
`09:14.32`	`fooz`	`tarzeau, this was just making fun of one guy`
`09:14.40`	`fooz`	`hehe`
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`09:15.19`	`bluefox83`	`crap, i have to leave for work`
`09:15.25`	`strawboat`	`tarheelcoxn, license?`
`09:15.31`	`ethics`	`fooz: nope only 2 albums or so 8/`
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`09:16.28`	`fooz`	`ethics, i used to.. i could easily find them (tool is popular) but i'm just too lazy`
`09:17.02`	`fooz`	`put over 30 albums on my ipod, i'm only using 2.5gb out of 20 so far`
`09:17.04`	`fooz`	`it's depressing`
`09:17.11`	`bluefox83`	`how do i make sure CC is in PATH?`
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`09:17.42`	`bluefox83`	`cus when i type echo $CC i get the right answer, but when i try to compile the driver it says it can't find cc in PATH`
`09:17.53`	`migiel`	`i have downloaded a driver which i need to compile, but i don't know how to do this. i've been searching but didnt find what i need, perhaps someone knows a good url for me?`
`09:19.09`	`liable`	`migiel: might help if you tell us what the damn driver is first.`
`09:19.13`	`deadcat`	`gcc4 in sid`
`09:19.18`	`jethro`	`@annoy liable`
`09:19.18`	`ravenbird`	`liable: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!!`
`09:19.27`	`liable`	`hehe`
`09:19.32`	`jethro`	`:p`
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`09:19.48`	`migiel`	`liable: http://www.adaptec.co.uk/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+UK&cat=/Product/ASC-39320D&filekey=aic7Yxx-2.0.12-6.3.9-linux-2.4.tar.bz2 this one`
`09:20.11`	`liable`	`gah`
`09:20.54`	`deadcat`	`liable: i got error while processing xfree86-common E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)`
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`09:21.45`	`migiel`	`it's a RAID bus controller (adaptec ASC-39320 u320)`
`09:21.55`	`liable`	`deadcat: yeah, look in the post install script and add -f for the update-rc.d command, apt-get -f install.`
`09:22.10`	`deadcat`	`k`
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`09:23.01`	`jsturgis`	`what program can do reverse dns lookup?`
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`09:23.24`	`migiel`	`host`
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`09:23.34`	`knt`	what's the function of user `sync'?
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`09:24.16`	`liable`	`deadcat: I dont know if that script should have been removed from init.d, but adding the -f, removes the symlinks, and effectively kills it.`
`09:24.16`	`migiel`	`liable: do you have any idea.. ?`
`09:24.31`	`asuffield`	`knt: login as it and it runs sync. who the fuck uses that?`
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`09:25.05`	`deadcat`	`liable: cant find it.`
`09:25.19`	`liable`	`migiel: isnt there some sort of compile instaructions. read the readme.`
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`09:25.42`	`migiel`	`liable: no there are no compile instructions..`
`09:25.50`	`deadcat`	`liable: dont know where the post-isntallation script is at`
`09:25.51`	`migiel`	`i've read the readme 10x`
`09:26.20`	`jethro`	`!10x`
`09:26.20`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i really am in despear,I intalled nvidia binary but XFree64 will crash if i enable glx module`
`09:26.20`	`dpkg`	`10x is, like, TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly?`
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`09:26.50`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i even run out off ideas on googling it...`
`09:27.09`	`deadcat`	`liable: wheres the post install stuff?`
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`09:27.25`	`liable`	`deadcat: /var/lib/dpkg/`
`09:27.28`	`deadcat`	`ah`
`09:27.32`	`jethro`	`wisdom_i_seek: looked at dmesg output, /var/log/XFree86.0.log so far?`
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`09:28.10`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`only Xfree.0.log by no (EE)`
`09:28.25`	`liable`	`!hi`
`09:28.25`	`dpkg`	`hello, liable`
`09:28.32`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`only Xfree.0.log but i found no (EE) ,or other obvius hint..`
`09:28.32`	`liable`	`deadcat: /info`
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`09:29.07`	`daxxar`	`Hm`
`09:29.13`	`jethro`	`wisdom_i_seek: what about dmesg?`
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`09:29.19`	`deadcat`	`liable: not following`
`09:29.26`	`daxxar`	`Anyone know why my system all of a sudden borks local characters? (��)`
`09:29.28`	`liable`	`deadcat: /var/lib/dpkg/info`
`09:29.36`	`jethro`	`wisdom_i_seek: and how did you install nvidia?`
`09:29.43`	`deadcat`	`oh`
`09:29.45`	`daxxar`	`I.e. it works in irssi, but it stopped working in shell, and in mutt.`
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`09:30.08`	`daxxar`	`Mutt displays \xxx for these characters.`
`09:30.11`	`jethro`	`daxxar: sid?`
`09:30.16`	`daxxar`	`It used to work peachy, and I'm not certain what I changed.`
`09:30.20`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`module nvidia taints kernel..`
`09:30.22`	`daxxar`	`debian/unstable.`
`09:30.27`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`the debian way`
`09:30.29`	`deadcat`	`liable: works. let me restart x`
`09:30.29`	`daxxar`	`I might've upgraded some packages. :)`
`09:30.35`	`jethro`	`wisdom_i_seek: answer my question instead of stating the obvious`
`09:30.40`	`knt`	cshould we give a shell to `daemon' user? what the fuck is it for?
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`09:30.59`	`deadcat`	`liable: should i dpkg-reconfigure xserver... first?`
`09:30.59`	`jethro`	`daxxar: there are locales issues, check the bts or set your locales in a dotfile`
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`09:31.20`	`daxxar`	`jethro, ok, thanks.`
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`09:31.28`	`liable`	`deadcat: nah, dist-upgrade, then do it, I spose shouldnt really matter though.`
`09:31.28`	`jethro`	`daxxar: you're welcome`
`09:31.51`	`liable`	`deadcat: it copies over your xfree86 file anyway..`
`09:31.51`	`jethro`	`daxxar: you might encounter issues with http_proxy being set to a weird value too :)`
`09:31.58`	`deadcat`	`liable: ya. dist-upgraded. upgraded my gcc to 4 as well (= but added locale which i will rm later`
`09:32.42`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i meant i installed the nvidia-kernel-source,then i created the nvidia kernel package then i installed it ,then i installed nvidia-glx`
`09:32.44`	`valdyn`	`wisdom_i_seek: nvidias driver is binary only, thus it cannot be debugged by the kernel devs -> it taints the kernel, its expected behaviour`
`09:33.03`	`migiel`	`The source code is provided on an "as is" basis for building and installing the drivers on unsupported versions of Linux. What does this mean.. ?`
`09:34.05`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i alsow found a hint in an ubundu forum the sugested to erase /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx and so i did`
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`09:34.28`	`daxxar`	`jethro, even though it was previously unset?`
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`09:34.34`	`valdyn`	`wisdom_i_seek: why are youu even trying to load the glx module?`
`09:34.35`	`jethro`	`daxxar: yes sir :)`
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`09:34.41`	`daxxar`	`jethro, in what file is this set?`
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`09:34.57`	`jethro`	`daxxar: the http_proxy var?`
`09:34.57`	`liable`	`migiel: means, dont harrass them if it doesnt work.`
`09:34.57`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`before i did this i had some broken links inks in the libraries...`
`09:35.01`	`daxxar`	`jethro, or rather, where is it set? Environment?`
`09:35.37`	`jethro`	`daxxar: hold on, phone call`
`09:35.48`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`well i whanted to build celestia for it , i use it for mplayer and i would like to check out opengl development..`
`09:36.18`	`daxxar`	`ok`
`09:36.20`	`daxxar`	`"locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory"`
`09:36.21`	`daxxar`	`:o`
`09:36.37`	`Maneiten`	`apt-get install locales;dpkg-reconfigure locales?`
`09:36.38`	`migiel`	`so how should i compile this driver...? place the directory in the kernel source? or something ?`
`09:36.57`	`liable`	`migiel: read the readme.`
`09:37.03`	`Maneiten`	`daxxar: Try that`
`09:37.03`	`migiel`	`liable: there is no readme`
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`09:37.17`	`deadcat`	`liable: what about transset and xcompmgr?`
`09:37.23`	`liable`	`migiel: it comes with no documentation?`
`09:37.23`	`migiel`	`not a readme for installing the driver`
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`09:37.28`	`migiel`	`that's correct`
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`09:37.53`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`anyway thanks a lot ......`
`09:37.53`	`liable`	`deadcat: no fucking clue, what about it?`
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`09:38.03`	`Jaak`	`guys... my X.free just stopped working`
`09:38.08`	`daxxar`	`Maneiten, ok, thanks.`
`09:38.17`	`liable`	`Jaak: running sid?`
`09:38.19`	`Jaak`	`it tells me that screens found but non of the usual configs`
`09:38.19`	`Overand`	`is there a proper way to get an app to listen on a sub-1024 port rather than just running it as root?`
`09:38.21`	`valdyn`	`wisdom_i_seek: run: 'grep "Module glx" /var/log/XFree86.0.log`
`09:38.24`	`Jaak`	`liable: sarge`
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`09:38.37`	`deadcat`	`liable: xorg stuff. make it translucent and shits`
`09:38.40`	`Jaak`	`it worked yesterday dammit o_O`
`09:38.45`	`Jaak`	`it must have been the last upgrade`
`09:38.52`	`liable`	`Jaak: just upgraded? whats dpkg -l udev say?`
`09:39.04`	`Jaak`	`kay, i will try`
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`09:39.49`	`Jaak`	`aaah, not installed / half installed'`
`09:40.07`	`liable`	`Jaak: hmm, apt-get -f install`
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`09:40.28`	`liable`	`Jaak: but then you may need to uninstall it. :P`
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`09:40.48`	`Jaak`	`0 uped 0 newly installed 0 to remove 13 not upgraded`
`09:41.23`	`liable`	`Jaak: 2.6 kernel?`
`09:41.27`	`Jaak`	`2.6.11`
`09:41.34`	`Jaak`	`custom`
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`09:42.03`	`liable`	`Jaak: so the dpkg line gives ii? what version?`
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`09:42.34`	`Jaak`	`ii?`
`09:42.36`	`deadcat`	`liable: how do i know i am using xorg?`
`09:42.36`	`ValheruLord`	`what are the names of the packages needed for sdl support`
`09:42.46`	`Daknet`	`Problem with deps: using dselect I finally get a screen about "* Ess libs zlib1g compression library - runtime" and " Opz libdevel zlib1g-dev compression library - development". I cannot escape this screen. What have I to do to solve this dep problem?`
`09:42.50`	`liable`	`deadcat: top`
`09:42.57`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`I found :(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX`
`09:43.07`	`deadcat`	`liable: nothing. i startx`
`09:43.08`	`valdyn`	`Daknet: Shift-Q`
`09:43.30`	`deadcat`	`liable: oh i see it. Xorg i was grepping xorg`
`09:43.30`	`valdyn`	`wisdom_i_seek: apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx`
`09:43.47`	`Daknet`	`Yes, but I'd like to solve the problem...why I always get that screen?`
`09:43.47`	`liable`	`Jaak: post the output of 'dpkg -l udev' to #flood`
`09:44.00`	`deadcat`	`liable: weird. ps -ef\|grep -i xorg shows nothing`
`09:44.10`	`Jaak`	`liable: if i could only copy and paste o_O`
`09:44.25`	`liable`	`deadcat: xserver?`
`09:44.41`	`liable`	`Jaak: install gpm.`
`09:44.52`	`deadcat`	`liable: only /usr/X11R6/bin/X`
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`09:45.21`	`Draconicus`	`Is it over?`
`09:45.32`	`liable`	`heh, yes.`
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`09:45.41`	`liable`	`netsplits?`
`09:46.14`	`Ronin`	`all kinds it looks like`
`09:46.19`	`Draconicus`	`Good.`
`09:46.20`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`vldyn is there an equivalent command in dpkg because i dont know how to use apt on local packages`
`09:46.29`	`Daknet`	`when I try to install something I often get this error "libxext not found..." but I don't know why (I really have libxext installed!)`
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`09:47.05`	`deadcat`	`unfuckingbelievable, xine is not crashing my X with nvidia driver using Xorg (=`
`09:47.09`	`deadcat`	`hail Xorg`
`09:47.13`	`Draconicus`	`My system clock is rediculously faster than it should go, and seems to be getting worse. It gains time far too much to be reliable. Is there a way to regulate this with a simple Linux apt?`
`09:47.36`	`deadcat`	`ntpdate?`
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`09:47.50`	`valdyn`	`wisdom_i_seek: nvidia-glx is a local package for you? why?`
`09:47.56`	`vorsprung`	`Draconicus, there are two clocks`
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`09:48.00`	`liable`	`deadcat: hmm, I get a result from that.`
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`09:48.18`	`vorsprung`	`Draconicus, there is the "hardware clock" which is the cmos ram backed up thing that keeps time when the system is off`
`09:48.21`	`Maneiten`	`daxxar: did it work?`
`09:48.42`	`asuffield`	`Draconicus: ntp-simple`
`09:48.50`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i downloaded it ..`
`09:48.50`	`vorsprung`	`Draconicus, there is the "system clock" which keeps time whilst the system is running, it is set once from the hardware clock at boot time`
`09:48.59`	`modnar32`	`I can't seem to get my kernel to configure, it says under make menuconfig its missing a config.in?`
`09:48.59`	`valdyn`	`wisdom_i_seek: its in debian`
`09:49.03`	`valdyn`	`!info nvidia-glx sarge`
`09:49.06`	`dpkg`	`nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB`
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`09:49.12`	`valdyn`	`^^^`
`09:49.19`	`vorsprung`	`Draconicus, if your "hardware clock" is screwy..set from ntpdate at boot time`
`09:49.23`	`Jaak`	`liable: might just reinstalling help?`
`09:49.46`	`Draconicus`	`vorsprung: How might I do that, though?`
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`09:49.54`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i guess that is the problem ,sorry guys i feel silly ...`
`09:49.55`	`asuffield`	`ntpdate is busted and almost useless. use proper ntpd`
`09:50.05`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`thanks a lot ...`
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`09:50.09`	`vorsprung`	`Draconicus, if your system clock is screwy run ntpd in the background to link you system clock time to a reference clock on the net`
`09:50.19`	`ValheruLord`	`why is not aalib1-dev in unstable?`
`09:50.21`	`valdyn`	`wisdom_i_seek: maybe you need to add non-free to your sources.list`
`09:50.33`	`ValheruLord`	`how can i install a testing package to sid`
`09:50.42`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`i will work it out...`
`09:50.44`	`liable`	`Jaak: no`
`09:50.47`	`vorsprung`	`Draconicus, mind you if asuffield says ntpdate is broken, he is usually right. Forget it!`
`09:50.48`	`wisdom_i_seek`	`thanks again...`
`09:51.01`	`asuffield`	`ntpdate is an old, unmaintained fork of ntpd -q`
`09:51.01`	`glick`	`god i just stayed up all night playing aerobiz supersonic!`
`09:51.02`	`valdyn`	`ValheruLord: that stuff is in a differently named package now`
`09:51.04`	`glick`	`what have i done!`
`09:51.10`	`valdyn`	`!info aalib-dev sid`
`09:51.20`	`Jaak`	`liable: kay, i just install the one in my /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?`
`09:51.30`	`liable`	`Jaak: what version?`
`09:51.32`	`Jaak`	`well... one of them`
`09:51.36`	`valdyn`	`!info aalib1-dev sid`
`09:51.52`	`Jaak`	`062-1?`
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`09:52.16`	`Jaak`	`also have 0.060-1 56-3`
`09:52.33`	`valdyn`	`ValheruLord: hmm nvm, I was wrong, just recall that there was some change`
`09:52.45`	`liable`	`Jaak: do you have links?`
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`09:53.05`	`liable`	`Jaak: web browser.`
`09:53.12`	`Jaak`	`no, but i have lynx :)`
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`09:53.27`	`ValheruLord`	`valdyn: libsdl1.2 depends on it and i need aalib1-dev, nothing another?`
`09:53.32`	`liable`	`ok, go here. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332`
`09:53.48`	`Daknet`	`Ok, I tryed to install something and I get this error: "configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find". Is this due to the dep problem I have with " *** Ess libs zlib1g compression library - runtime"???`
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`09:54.11`	`dshgh`	`quem pode me ajudar rapidinho,`
`09:54.18`	`Daknet`	`I have libXext installed!!!`
`09:54.23`	`dshgh`	`qual e o comando apra procurar o pacote e baixalo !`
`09:54.26`	`liable`	`dshgh: english?`
`09:54.38`	`liable`	`!br`
`09:54.39`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
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`09:56.05`	`usuario__`	`hola`
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`09:57.08`	`liable`	`Jaak: you could try just removing udev..`
`09:58.27`	`Jaak`	`yeah, great... and then reconf my kernel with regualr dev support?`
`09:58.55`	`liable`	`Jaak: just try removing it.`
`09:58.58`	`valdyn`	`!tell ValheruLord about sdn`
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`09:59.03`	`iostream`	`Hi. I have an debian server running with the following wierd partition layout: http://iostream.dk/files/cfdisk.png and I'm trying to configure lilo.. But I'm rather confused. Can someone tell me how it should be done with the mentioned layout?`
`09:59.12`	`liable`	`Jaak: and reboot.`
`09:59.12`	`Jaak`	`-.-`
`09:59.57`	`Jaak`	`it'll remove some useful stuff aswell... such as hal...`
`10:00.10`	`Jaak`	`oh well, worth a shot`
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`10:00.18`	`liable`	`Jaak: well, downgrade it then.`
`10:00.38`	`streuner`	`iostream: read install-guide (/msg dpkg ig)`
`10:01.04`	`iostream`	`streuner: okay, will do.`
`10:01.05`	`Jaak`	`brb and hope for best`
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`10:01.17`	`streuner`	`iostream: if you have data on that 6 Gigs make a backup`
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`10:03.53`	`Jaak`	`that didn't change anything :(`
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`10:04.17`	`liable`	`Jaak: no screens?`
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`10:05.13`	`Jaak`	`no screens`
`10:06.16`	`Jaak`	`im just trying to downgrade now`
`10:06.32`	`cockroach`	`(how) can an individual user disable ssh password authentication if it's generally allowed?`
`10:06.55`	`Jaak`	`brb`
`10:08.23`	`daxxar`	`Maneiten, it works great now, yep. But I didn't try your suggestion, since I recalled I hadn't restarted my shell after doing the new dotfile, since it was running in screen.`
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`10:08.50`	`Maneiten`	`If i've got two soundcards in a computer, how do I tell alsa which one to use?`
`10:09.08`	`cahoot`	`Maneiten: make an .asoundrc`
`10:09.20`	`Maneiten`	`cahoot: ~/.asoundrc?`
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`10:09.42`	`Jaak`	`yay! downgrading helped`
`10:09.47`	`cahoot`	`Maneiten: yes - and define what card is !pcm.default`
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`10:10.13`	`Maneiten`	`cahoot: Do you have a example of how the file is layeouted?`
`10:10.13`	`Jaak`	`i hope this udev thingy gets fixed soon`
`10:10.19`	`iostream`	`Jaak: Btw. How do I downgrade a package with apt? apt-get install woody/package ?`
`10:10.33`	`cahoot`	`Maneiten: instructions here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic`
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`10:10.48`	`Jaak`	`i just used package in my /var/cache/apt/archives/`
`10:10.49`	`iostream`	`Jaak: ok`
`10:11.05`	`cahoot`	`Maneiten: simplest is to disable the onboard one if that's your problem`
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`10:12.42`	`knt`	`what's the meaningful dependency between openssl package and "Debian-exim" user?`
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`10:20.07`	`petemc`	`knt: what makes you think theres any?`
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`10:23.35`	`cbr`	`how can i install a firefox extension from my harddrive?`
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`10:24.34`	`liable`	`cbr: what do you mean?`
`10:24.41`	`Blue9`	`cbr, open nautilus/whatever, and then open your extension manager in firefox`
`10:24.46`	`Jaak`	`cbr means that he should join #firefox`
`10:24.47`	`dawg`	`cbr, openning the file tends to work, there is also an extension that adds a button for it to the extension window`
`10:24.49`	`Blue9`	`drag the extension file from one into the other :)`
`10:24.55`	`Blue9`	`that should work.`
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`10:25.57`	`possie`	`is it possible to undo a diff (patch) ?`
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`10:26.21`	`liable`	`possie: man patch?`
`10:26.26`	`visik7`	`possie -R`
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`10:26.37`	`cbr`	`Blue9: thanks.. it almost crashed konq for me but worked :D`
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`10:26.52`	`Blue9`	`cbr: np.`
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`10:29.19`	`sciboy`	`Grar, i want to find an alternative to Udev, which breaks stuff on my system.`
`10:29.35`	`liable`	`@aussiesmite jethro`
`10:29.35`	`ravenbird`	`jethro: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog`
`10:29.47`	`qwertz__`	`Hi! Is rsync smart to enough to handle a logrotated apache-log directory without retransmitting the file when it was renamed from access.001 to access.002 or is there any other tool that can handle this job?`
`10:30.03`	`liable`	`sciboy: just downgrade it.`
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`10:30.16`	`mwilson`	`Why do you need a "alternative" to udev? Simply do not use it. Trashing it doesn't break anything important.`
`10:30.44`	`sciboy`	`I never said need.`
`10:30.45`	`sciboy`	`I siad want.`
`10:31.18`	`mwilson`	`An alternative to udev is a normal static /dev`
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`10:32.06`	`Blue9`	`udev can be a PITA anyway.`
`10:32.17`	`sciboy`	`liable: Oh thanks, i kinda forgot older versions are available. XD`
`10:32.57`	`sciboy`	`Ok, bbl.`
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`10:33.47`	`Blue9`	`Has there been a date set for the release of X.org to unstable?`
`10:33.56`	`Blue9`	`I've had a quick look, but can't seem to find anything.`
`10:33.58`	`mwilson`	`Blue9: No.`
`10:34.04`	`Blue9`	`mwilson: Fair enough.`
`10:34.12`	`mwilson`	`Blue9: You're one of those wh's just going to die without it?`
`10:34.41`	`Blue9`	`mwilson: Nope, I don't mind Xf86, but I wouldn't mind having a play around at changing them over.`
`10:34.48`	`Blue9`	`mwilson: something to pass the time ;)`
`10:36.03`	`antgel`	`does anyone know of any project to get blackberry to sync under linux? i googled but couldn't find anything.`
`10:37.48`	`cbr`	`Blue9: use the third party packages then`
`10:37.53`	`cbr`	`their as good as anything else`
`10:38.00`	`Blue9`	`antgel: http://www.blackberryforums.com/archive/index.php/t-3129.html`
`10:38.21`	`antgel`	`Blue9: i saw that`
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`10:38.29`	`nomike`	`hi`
`10:38.29`	`Blue9`	`cbr: true. I'm not /that/ desprete to break my comptuer tho'`
`10:38.37`	`Blue9`	`antgel: That's the best info I can find at the minute, sorry.`
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`10:38.43`	`valdyn`	`qwertz__: i doubt there is, though syslog can also log to remote hosts.`
`10:38.49`	`cbr`	`i haven't seen a person breaking his computer with x.org`
`10:39.02`	`mwilson`	`cbr: Then you haven't been paying much attention.`
`10:39.03`	`cbr`	`they only get faster ;)`
`10:39.10`	`antgel`	`in that case, i think my company wants to undertake development of this. we've never done an open source project before.`
`10:39.18`	`Blue9`	`antgel: Awesome`
`10:39.26`	`antgel`	`what's the best way to get started / publicise it? open a sourceforge account?`
`10:39.29`	`cbr`	`mwilson: such one in a million cases are just exceptions to the rule`
`10:39.39`	`mwilson`	`Faster, huh? Over 95% the same code base, but somehow it gets faster.`
`10:39.40`	`Blue9`	`cbr: I can guaruntee you that no matter what I do, I will break my PC somehow ;)`
`10:39.43`	`nomike`	`I have installed debian last frieday. Is it possible to switch to a 2.6 kernel? (preferably with apt-get and not manual compiling)`
`10:39.53`	`Blue9`	`nomike: I did this the other day.`
`10:40.10`	`Blue9`	`nomike: have you applied any patches or compiled any extra modules?`
`10:40.29`	`boycer`	`mwilson: did for me... :P`
`10:40.45`	`cbr`	`mwilson: well yeah.. xfree 4.4 is newer/faster than 4.3.. which is fucking old actually.. and evdev is great for my mouse in xorg xD`
`10:40.50`	`nomike`	`No, I just walked through the installer and installed some stuff (kde, gnome, xfce4, bind, apache, proftpd, vhcs,...)`
`10:41.13`	`nomike`	`oh, yes...and how about xorg?`
`10:41.17`	`mwilson`	`nomike: Ahd you didn't install a 2.6 kernel from the start because...?`
`10:41.26`	`nomike`	`It didn't ask me`
`10:41.27`	`Blue9`	`nomike: Use synaptic/aptitude to download kernel-image-2.6.[whatever you want]`
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`10:41.42`	`Blue9`	`nomike: Apt will sort everything else out for you.`
`10:41.44`	`mwilson`	`Let me guess... that would have required reading what it said on the screen right?`
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`10:41.59`	`nrsnrs`	`hi`
`10:42.22`	`nomike`	`mwilson: I can't remember a question about which kernel version, if it asked me I would have chosen 2.6`
`10:42.28`	`Blue9`	`nomike: If you need to compile anything, make sure you get the kernel-headers that come that go along with it.`
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`10:42.47`	`sciboy`	`Nup, downgrading udev didn't work =P`
`10:42.48`	`Blue9`	`mwilson: I didn't get the choice with the sarge net install.`
`10:43.04`	`mwilson`	`Blue9: Except that you did, of course.`
`10:43.50`	`Blue9`	`mwilson: Okay, I'll reword: from my rather hasty re-install t'other day, I didn't /see/ a choice.`
`10:43.57`	`yoo`	`Hi all !`
`10:43.59`	`Blue9`	`Of course, it's no bother to use apt-get to do it.`
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`10:44.20`	`cbr`	`Blue9: to the first command line screen you gotta type linux26 or smth`
`10:44.34`	`Blue9`	`cbr: Ah, right.`
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`10:44.53`	`raf256`	`what the fuck? why regular users can use "dmesg" and where can I disable this?`
`10:45.14`	`Blue9`	`chmod?`
`10:45.14`	`mwilson`	`raf256: There's a reason you care whether or not they can look at the dmesg?`
`10:45.18`	`raf256`	`(and in general - how to allow only users from group like wheel or foobar to use given binaries)`
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`10:45.30`	`raf256`	`Blue9: but will it be preserved by apt-get ?`
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`10:45.55`	`raf256`	`Blue9: so it will?`
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`10:46.02`	`Blue9`	`If it's only you using apt-get, is it that hard to change the permissions again?`
`10:46.21`	`raf256`	`Blue9: each time? that sucks donkeys balls`
`10:46.29`	`valdyn`	`raf256: why do you want to disallow users doing 'dmesg' ?`
`10:46.38`	`Blue9`	`raf256: you could probably script something? I've never tried it so I couldn't say.`
`10:46.53`	`aum`	`hi - just upgraded to kde 3.3.2 - now all the toolbar icons on kde apps (kate, konqueror etc) have gone blank - any ideas?`
`10:46.57`	`raf256`	`valdyn: I dont want users to now too much about the computer for example`
`10:47.14`	`raf256`	`Blue9: indeed I could... but isnt that done already? dont want to brach open door`
`10:47.34`	`mwilson`	`raf256: It matters what they know... how, exactly?`
`10:47.43`	`valdyn`	`raf256: you should lock /proc too then, and /sys, and _alot_ of every desktop environment.`
`10:47.46`	`raf256`	`mwilson: dmesg isnt the best example actually, but in genral`
`10:48.15`	`valdyn`	`raf256: and while we'ere at it.. /dev too`
`10:48.50`	`boycer`	`raf256: sounds like a lot of work - worth it?`
`10:48.54`	`raf256`	`in general, how to do this?`
`10:48.57`	`Blue9`	`raf256: chmod`
`10:48.58`	`Blue9`	`chown`
`10:49.00`	`Blue9`	`chgroup`
`10:49.01`	`Blue9`	`?`
`10:49.07`	`raf256`	`boycer: no, just a script to save ch* of files, and restore them after apt-get`
`10:49.07`	`valdyn`	`easier to unplug the network and / or power cord`
`10:49.23`	`mwilson`	`raf256: Other than actually learning how permissions work, apparently?`
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`10:49.24`	`Blue9`	`*chgrp`
`10:49.26`	`phorce1`	`OK, round two of the battle of the ornery mail server. I have postfix and mysql and courier and squirrelmail all set up -- and the database populated with the old user/pass info. But now I need to send a single message to every username in the database tocause their maildirs to be created. Ideas (trying to figure a way to just use 'mail' with a file containing one username per line (4000+ users)`
`10:49.29`	`raf256`	`mwilson: ...?`
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`10:50.11`	`antgel`	`phorce1: maildirmake?`
`10:50.20`	`raf256`	`mwilson: well apt-get dont preserve the ch* so I need to do it manually..?`
`10:50.30`	`phorce1`	`antgel: virtual users`
`10:50.58`	`Blue9`	`phorce1: What about the perl maildir module?`
`10:51.01`	`phorce1`	`maildirs under /home/vmail/domain.tld/user@domain.tld`
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`10:52.00`	`phorce1`	`if I can just send a "your accounts back up" email to every email address in the database Postfix will create the maildirs on delivery.`
`10:52.45`	`valdyn`	`raf256: dmesg isnt set uid root -> every user could do what dmesg does even if dmesg cannot be used.`
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`10:53.13`	`raf256`	`valdyn: cool, but in general, do I have to reapply ch* after apt-get?`
`10:53.14`	`phorce1`	`I have a little script thing that would do it from one of the winboxen on my desk but it doesn't do smtp auth and anything not coming from localhost has touse auth`
`10:53.30`	`valdyn`	`raf256: yes, if you do it that way.`
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`10:53.35`	`qwertz__`	`valdyn, thanks for the info`
`10:53.38`	`Blue9`	`phorce1: Oh I see..`
`10:54.01`	`raf256`	`valdyn: that sucks`
`10:54.22`	`Blue9`	`Can't you dump the database of names into a CSV and use that as a CC list?`
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`10:54.35`	`phorce1`	`Blue9: so I'm trying to figure out how to pipe the list of addresses into 'mail'. I suck at scripting.`
`10:54.43`	`Blue9`	`phorce1: I see :)`
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`10:54.57`	`valdyn`	`raf256: if you want to keep messing with the package management then you're better off using a system w/o package management, like slackware =p`
`10:55.02`	`phorce1`	`Blue9: I have the list already, one address per ine`
`10:55.09`	`Blue9`	`Hmm..`
`10:55.26`	`Blue9`	`If it were comma seperated, you could just use it in your favourite mail client, no?`
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`10:55.54`	`Fleck`	`hi all - is there some tools, so i can make traffic stats about each IP using internet right now, incoming and outgoing traffic in 10 minutes for example ?`
`10:56.08`	`Blue9`	`Fleck: iptables?`
`10:56.12`	`jethro`	`Fleck: ntop does this iirc`
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`10:56.35`	`Blue9`	`Yeah, ntop is really good actually.`
`10:56.38`	`Fleck`	`Blue9 yeah but for iptables i have to create chains for each IP ...`
`10:56.51`	`Blue9`	`Fleck: Fair enough, try ntop then`
`10:57.02`	`Fleck`	`ok :)`
`10:57.19`	`Fleck`	`thanks guys :)`
`10:57.24`	`phorce1`	`Blue9: no "mail client" installed on that machine -- and a 4600 address "CC:" list would suck`
`10:57.29`	`Blue9`	`Gah.`
`10:57.33`	`Blue9`	`I see your point.`
`10:57.47`	`sciboy`	`I'm looking for a script that'll create a symlink to /dev/input/eventX whichever is my Wacom tablet, does any exist?`
`10:57.49`	`Blue9`	`phorce1: Well, I'm all outta ideas, sorry.`
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`10:58.11`	`cahoot`	`Fleck: looked at iptraf?`
`10:58.15`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: does it change everytime?`
`10:58.15`	`sciboy`	`I tried to setup uDev to handle my wacom issues, but unfortunately it breaks stuff.`
`10:58.25`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: Most times.`
`10:58.40`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: Hmm.. that sucks.`
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`10:59.03`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: Well, thats what happens when all your peripherals have to be USB.`
`10:59.05`	`Fleck`	`cahoot yep, don't like iptraf`
`10:59.06`	`Blue9`	`I'm not sure how you'd tell, although there are a set of tools for wacom tablets, they might have something useful.`
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`10:59.20`	`Fleck`	`cahoot i have to collect data about traffic`
`10:59.25`	`Fleck`	`in SQL for example`
`10:59.47`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: If your talking about the wacom-tools package, then no =/`
`11:00.06`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: Ah, I don't know then, sorry.`
`11:00.22`	`cahoot`	`Fleck: ethereal also wrong?`
`11:00.28`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: Thanks anyway =)`
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`11:00.53`	`to\|m`	`hello, if I want to change to ALSA, is it possible just 2 install alsa?`
`11:00.55`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: np, could you let me know if you find an answer, I get the feeling that script could be a useful one to keep hold of.`
`11:01.12`	`Blue9`	`to\|m: change to alsa from what?`
`11:01.13`	`to\|m`	`I have alsa installed... but it only works if i do a 'alsaconf'`
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`11:01.35`	`Fleck`	`cahoot etheral uses tcpdump, but i can't collect so much data... need some counters... i made one up with bash/php/perl - no one can handle so much data from tcpdump... works slow :(`
`11:01.40`	`Blue9`	`to\|m: Is the module for your soundcard being loaded?`
`11:01.49`	`kinneh`	`Hello, how do I reporte a problem during dist-upgrade from unstable to unstable yesterday, with wanishing devfs support thus both mice and sound dont work anymore ...`
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`11:02.18`	`Radius_Vector`	`Did any one notice, google is down!`
`11:02.20`	`valdyn`	`kinneh: dpkg -l \| grep udev`
`11:02.44`	`Blue9`	`Radius_Vector: I'm using google right now.`
`11:03.16`	`Radius_Vector`	`Blue9: Its dead here, everyone complaining, we all in a cyber cafe`
`11:03.26`	`to\|m`	`Blue9: I think so.... but if not what to do ?`
`11:03.44`	`evilbadman`	`It's better than ever from here.`
`11:03.44`	`to\|m`	`Blue9: now it works I did the alsaconf`
`11:03.49`	`Blue9`	`to\|m: check /etc/modules has an entry for your driver.`
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`11:04.06`	`kinneh`	`valdyn: ii udev 0.062-1 /dev/ management daemon`
`11:04.09`	`Blue9`	`s/driver/sound card module/`
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`11:04.51`	`wishie`	`how do i allow other computers on my network to print to my cups printer ?`
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`11:04.55`	`Jaak`	`darn, the udev seems to be like totally wanked in debian now`
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`11:06.03`	`Radius_Vector`	`This is sad .....no google :'(`
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`11:06.46`	`liable`	`Radius_Vector: wtf, try giving the net cafe a hard time. I doubt very much, google is down....`
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`11:07.07`	`Blue9`	`Radius_Vector: DNS servers maybe?`
`11:07.16`	`Blue9`	`Or just an aggresive block on the proxy?`
`11:07.16`	`Radius_Vector`	`liable: I tried WAPping thro my cell phone, same result`
`11:07.24`	`Blue9`	`Radius_Vector: Strange.`
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`11:07.52`	`Natrak`	`Greetings, anyone know if its possible to use ftp, rsync of scp in the basic shell you have access to during the Debian install process?`
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`11:08.13`	`pego`	`hi`
`11:08.25`	`pego`	`still no easy way to install soft raid on / ?`
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`11:09.07`	`liable`	`Radius_Vector: maybe a local backbone server, or whatever they are, is down...`
`11:09.34`	`Radius_Vector`	`liable: that wouldnt hit wap, would it?`
`11:09.50`	`liable`	`Radius_Vector: fucked if I know.`
`11:10.13`	`valdyn`	`kinneh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332`
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`11:10.19`	`Radius_Vector`	`liable: maybe google's regional server is down`
`11:10.30`	`kinneh`	`valdyn: I saw that, how do I downgrade a package ?`
`11:10.56`	`valdyn`	`kinneh: christ, why are you using unstable?`
`11:11.09`	`valdyn`	`kinneh: 'man dpkg', /msg dpkg sdn`
`11:11.12`	`kinneh`	`valdyn: why not, I have it on all my machines`
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`11:11.30`	`liable`	`kinneh: well, work it out then.`
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`11:11.45`	`kinneh`	`valdyn: well with dpkg I know, but cant you do it with apt ?`
`11:11.51`	`liable`	`kinneh: its called unstable for a reason...`
`11:11.55`	`Blue9`	`Isn't using Unstable this soon after a release a 'bit silly' ?`
`11:12.13`	`wishie`	`no-one here uses cups to share a printer ?`
`11:12.23`	`kinneh`	`liable: well who would find all the bugs if I wasn't here ?`
`11:12.35`	`Blue9`	`wishie: I don't have a printer to share and I haven't used cups in years.`
`11:12.37`	`Radius_Vector`	`kinneh: I suggest you apt-get remove linux`
`11:12.46`	`liable`	`kinneh: well, look at bts then..`
`11:12.46`	`kinneh`	`Radius_Vector: stop moaning`
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`11:14.17`	`liable`	`wishie: erm, over samba, use a windows one..`
`11:14.39`	`jethro`	`kinneh: if you can't find and fix the bug without asking #debian, but asking more appropriate ressources instead, you probably should not run unstable.`
`11:14.54`	`wishie`	`liable: eh ?`
`11:15.15`	`liable`	`< wishie> no-one here uses cups to share a printer ?`
`11:15.24`	`kinneh`	`jethro: oh thanks for the tip`
`11:15.29`	`wishie`	`liable: i have 2 linux machines, and want to share a printer..the printer is setup on my linux machine with CUPS`
`11:15.39`	`kinneh`	`jethro: you're my hero`
`11:15.41`	`jethro`	`kinneh: #debian ain't a frontend for the BTS just because people like you are lazy`
`11:15.45`	`liable`	`wishie: use samba then...`
`11:16.00`	`jethro`	`kinneh: you're a wanker.`
`11:16.00`	`pego`	`hi, still no easy way to install soft raid on / ?`
`11:16.00`	`liable`	`!beer jethro`
`11:16.04`	`wishie`	`liable: as i said, i have linux machines, why the fsck would i want to use samba ?`
`11:16.05`	`kinneh`	`hehe`
`11:16.06`	`liable`	`eww`
`11:16.21`	`liable`	`wishie: to share the fucking printer?`
`11:16.48`	`wishie`	`liable: CUPS is already installed, and can share printers. i have NFS for network file systems..so i dont see a need for samba`
`11:17.07`	`mike-m`	`wishie, only if there are window$ pcs`
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`11:17.17`	`wishie`	`mike-m: my point exactly.`
`11:17.25`	`mike-m`	`:)`
`11:17.27`	`Blue9`	`wishie: http://forums.bsdnexus.com/viewtopic.php?id=36`
`11:17.30`	`mike-m`	`I have the same point`
`11:17.39`	`c_k`	`Hi all`
`11:17.42`	`kinneh`	`wishie: cups work fins from linux <-> linux and windows even thou it's a bit tricky`
`11:17.42`	`liable`	`< wishie> no-one here uses cups to share a printer ?`
`11:17.47`	`Natrak`	`anyone know if its possible to use ftp, rsync of scp in the basic shell you have access to during the Debian install process? (need to copy some data from the hd to another location)`
`11:17.50`	`liable`	`oops`
`11:18.19`	`jethro`	`Natrak: I don't think you can use rsync or scp. if you really want to, use a livecd, backup your stuff, then install`
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`11:18.40`	`Natrak`	`was afraid of that ;)`
`11:18.50`	`jethro`	`Natrak: otoh, considering the time you spent here asking without being answered, you probably could have tried it, and figured that out yourself.`
`11:19.00`	`snail`	`Natrak: most like there's tftp, have you tried that?`
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`11:19.24`	`Natrak`	`already tried a few live cd's but they don't have the drivers for the server built in so was hoping i could just use the debian install cd as it loads fine`
`11:19.41`	`jethro`	`you guys should quit expecting being handholded ffs`
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`11:19.58`	`jethro`	`Natrak: drivers for the server?`
`11:19.58`	`c_k`	`anyone here use Cacti at all?`
`11:20.15`	`kinneh`	`jethro: stop holding us in our xxxx then`
`11:20.22`	`jethro`	`kinneh: stfu`
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`11:20.23`	`Natrak`	`well the scsi and nic drivers don't seem to be commonly avialable, so ill have to build my own kernel i guess`
`11:20.30`	`kinneh`	`lol`
`11:20.30`	`jethro`	`plonk`
`11:21.11`	`snail`	`c_k: what's you question?`
`11:21.12`	`jethro`	`Natrak: what is the nic, and what is the scsi adaptedr?`
`11:21.16`	`jethro`	`s/dr/r/`
`11:22.00`	`Natrak`	`jethro: cciss and tg3 , at least knoppix failed to boot but I'll play around some more. Just noticed I have wget in the Debian install shell but there doesn't seem to be any tools to send files`
`11:22.38`	`jethro`	`Natrak: did you try ubuntu?`
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`11:23.04`	`Guevara`	`h`
`11:23.09`	`Guevara`	`hola`
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`11:23.37`	`liable`	`Guevara: english.`
`11:23.38`	`Natrak`	`not yet jethro, will give it a try`
`11:23.41`	`Blue9`	`Right, lunch time.`
`11:23.43`	`Blue9`	`bye`
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`11:24.45`	`punkrockmcduck`	`hello`
`11:24.46`	`sciboy`	`Is it possible to find where a usb device has been mapped as? (eg. my wacom tablet -> /dev/input/event3) Lets say i have the Bus and Device Numbers, can do use that in any way?`
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`11:25.23`	`jm_`	`sciboy: yes, read 2.6 input FAQ`
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`11:26.49`	`jm_`	`How do I get a list of the input devices in my system?`
`11:26.49`	`jm_`	`How can I check that the input drivers have found my devices correctly?`
`11:26.53`	`jm_`	`that's from the FAQ`
`11:27.07`	`tarzeau`	`what should i do with a .desktop file ? (debian packaging)`
`11:28.43`	`jim`	`if it's from debian packaging, you should be able to find what package it's from, and determine if docs are associated, and if not, file the appropriate bug`
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`11:28.43`	`J_P`	`hi all`
`11:28.43`	`tarzeau`	`jim: to me?`
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`11:29.05`	`jim`	`yeah, you're the one who's wondering right/`
`11:29.06`	`c_k`	`snail: I am trying to get snmp stats from other unix servers but cant seem to get a response back from snmp at all. just after some guidance, cant find anything on google that shows me a kind of step by step of setting up snmp for this`
`11:29.07`	`jim`	`?`
`11:29.10`	`tarzeau`	`jim: i'm doing the package. and i care shit about gnome and kde for which this crap is for.`
`11:29.26`	`jim`	`then -please- don't package it`
`11:29.30`	`tarzeau`	`jim: the question is where should i put, if at all, that .desktop ?`
`11:29.35`	`cockroach`	`is the radeon 9250 compatible with the 9200 (-> good, free 3d drivers)?`
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`11:29.41`	`tarzeau`	`jim: damn, it's already packaged, and i need to upgrade it ok?`
`11:29.42`	`cplx`	`hmm.. can someone assist me on disabling SSH timeout for external hosts`
`11:29.49`	`jim`	`tarzeau: give me an idea what it's for?`
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`11:30.07`	`tarzeau`	`jim: you've ever seen those freedesktop.org .desktop files?`
`11:30.31`	`tarzeau`	`jim: i only found some sparce info on a menu transition`
`11:30.31`	`Chongo`	`hello everyone. i am trying to switch to ubuntu from windows, but i am being stumped by my lacie d2 usb hard drive (formatted with FAT32). when i plug it in, it doesn't automatically mount, does anyone know how to mount things manually?`
`11:30.49`	`snail`	`c_k: sorry, never used it for that`
`11:30.49`	`tarzeau`	`debian menu covers alot more , not only gnome and kde`
`11:30.57`	`tarzeau`	`and that gnome and kde hype gets on my nerves`
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`11:30.59`	`liable`	`Chongo: #ubuntu`
`11:31.14`	`Chongo`	`i tried asking in there a few times, but nobody replied :(`
`11:31.17`	`jim`	`tarzeau: (thread 1) but if you don't care, that has to mean you won't do the best job you can... if this is not going into debian, fine... but otherwise, either -care- or -orphan-`
`11:31.37`	`liable`	`!tell Chongo about they don't know`
`11:31.47`	`jim`	`ok, (thread 2) no, I have no idea what the file is for. you can't describe its use to me?`
`11:31.52`	`tarzeau`	`jim: i care about the software. i don't care about standards that are worse, than what we have now`
`11:32.05`	`c_k`	`snail: what do you use it for`
`11:32.14`	`tarzeau`	`jim: it creates a (for the transition) gnome/kde menu entry for the software`
`11:32.36`	`liable`	`Chongo: not being rude, just that ubuntu, isnt debian..`
`11:32.37`	`jim`	`where is it to be ultimately located? why does it begin with a .?`
`11:32.55`	`tarzeau`	`it's called softwarename.desktop`
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`11:33.06`	`tarzeau`	`i have absolutely no idea. since debian menu manual doesn't tell`
`11:33.17`	`jim`	`(thread 1) is this to be in debian main?`
`11:33.22`	`tarzeau`	`i'd have to figure out what software (that i don't use) supports that .desktop stuff, and look at the source`
`11:33.34`	`Chongo`	`oh, i thought it was the same`
`11:33.55`	`tarzeau`	`jim: yes this is already in debian main, and if someone can help me get this in the right place, one bug can be closed, and the quality can stay high`
`11:33.58`	`Chongo`	`do they not mount things in the same way?`
`11:34.05`	`tarzeau`	`jim: otherwise i will give shit about it, and only accept a patch for it (morons filing it's missing and not telling hwo to do it, is very not helpful)`
`11:34.10`	`jim`	`already in main? are you a maint?`
`11:34.17`	`tarzeau`	`jim: yes i am`
`11:34.21`	`tarzeau`	`jim: why does it matter?`
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`11:35.26`	`phorce1`	`I'm trying to figure out how to pipe a list of addresses into 'mail'. I suck at scripting. any help out there?`
`11:35.30`	`sciboy`	`With grep, what pattern would produce 'event4' when search for the word event in the following line : 38-H: Handlers=ts2 mouse2 event4`
`11:35.39`	`jim`	`tarzeau: when you reply to them, do you scare them into not filing again? or ask them to explain to you what it is?`
`11:35.51`	`asg`	`phorce1: try #bash`
`11:35.55`	`jim`	`I ask due to your categorization of them.`
`11:36.01`	`tarzeau`	`jim: no i just don't answered to this particular useless annoying bugreport`
`11:36.28`	`jim`	`-sheesh-... they might KNOW`
`11:36.31`	`tarzeau`	`jim: there's a howto on filing smart bugreports. i'm sure he doesn't`
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`11:36.48`	`jim`	`and you'll never know until you ask :)`
`11:36.51`	`tarzeau`	`jim: ok i'll ask now, and you'll get the answer i will also get (if any)`
`11:37.17`	`jim`	`cool... I'll be around`
`11:37.49`	`jim`	`maybe he doesn't know... but one thing, he wants the file, so he thinks he does know`
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`11:38.01`	`jim`	`btw, what standard is this having to do with?`
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`11:38.15`	`tarzeau`	`jim: freedesktop.org defines it i think`
`11:38.37`	`jim`	`which is related to gnome in some way, at least atm?`
`11:38.38`	`jethro`	`!bubnbrossmite tarzeau`
`11:38.47`	`tarzeau`	`jim: gnome and kde`
`11:38.52`	`shuning`	`?!`
`11:39.06`	`tarzeau`	`jim: http://wtf.dk/~mbp/menu/desktop-transition.html`
`11:39.40`	`jim`	`what's it supposed to accomplish?`
`11:39.58`	`jim`	`not overall, just in the case of the package you maintain`
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`11:40.56`	`tarzeau`	`jim: one less click to start it over the gnome/kde menu (debian is dropped)`
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`11:42.02`	`jim`	`that sounds like a very small detail`
`11:42.34`	`jim`	`you're right, it's a lot of work for eliminating a click`
`11:42.52`	`d03boy`	`does this link crash anyone elses browser? I have firefox with java plugin -- http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/essential/threads/priority.html`
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`11:43.27`	`jim`	`d03boy: sheesh :P I really don't want to crash my browser since I'm using it...`
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`11:45.08`	`jim`	`d03boy: btw, does it crash you if you disable java first?`
`11:45.27`	`Dynalon`	`hi eb, i have to install sarge via floppys - prob is i only got a prism54 based wlan card. is there a way to get the installer detect the card?`
`11:45.46`	`jim`	`tarzeau: that doesn't tell us what this .desktop file is about`
`11:45.47`	`d03boy`	`i'll have to figure out how to disable java real quick and check i guess..`
`11:45.50`	`dawg`	`d03boy, no`
`11:45.53`	`leOn`	`using lftp to access tls enabled ftp sites i keep getting "ls: Fatal error: gnutls_record_recv: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received." in unstable. anyone knows if it's a server or client problem .. ?`
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`11:46.17`	`tarzeau`	`jim: yes i agree`
`11:46.28`	`tarzeau`	`jim: the mail is out, the guy has a 3-7 days time`
`11:46.47`	`leOn`	`this only happens when i connect to some redhat machines running proftpd`
`11:46.49`	`jim`	`ok, let me know when you receive a reply`
`11:46.53`	`d03boy`	`nope, it doesnt crash... the applet is causing the problem, or the plugin or something`
`11:46.56`	`leOn`	`hmmm.. and uw-ftpd too`
`11:47.14`	`jim`	`d03boy: does any java applet crash you?`
`11:47.25`	`d03boy`	`other applets work fine`
`11:47.42`	`dawg`	`d03boy, doesn't crash here, though the applets do die with a 'NoClassDefFoundError' exception and don't work correctly`
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`11:47.58`	`d03boy`	`interesting... i sent them a bug report or something, hopefully its on their end :P`
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`11:48.39`	`jvw`	`FYI, java-package is fixed to work with sid's dpkg`
`11:48.57`	`jvw`	`so no need anymore to tell people to hack around in /usr`
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`11:49.27`	`Shadur`	`Hrm, question. I've got to test whether our new 40-Mbit backbone is doing okay, but I can't find any networking benchmark programs that can work without the hard drive speed getting in the way. Any suggestions where to look and what to look for?`
`11:49.31`	`cbr`	`dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure`
`11:49.33`	`cbr`	`uhm.. wtf`
`11:49.34`	`jim`	`what's different about sid's dpkg?`
`11:49.55`	`Shadur`	`jvw: For the record, I'd like to say that java-package is easily the coolest thing since kernel-package.`
`11:50.12`	`jim`	`cbr: the command name is dpkg-reconfigure`
`11:50.12`	`jethro`	`cbr: dpkg-reconfigure is the command`
`11:50.12`	`cbr`	`ah.. lol`
`11:50.17`	`cbr`	`thanks`
`11:50.41`	`jim`	`jethro: NOO! you have it BACKWARDS!`
`11:50.41`	`jethro`	`jim: I have it yoda style :)`
`11:50.59`	`jim`	`that guy woulda loved forth...`
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`11:51.53`	`clojster`	`how can I kick user from pure-ftp server?`
`11:52.12`	`jim`	`shut the server down?`
`11:52.20`	`Jaak`	`hehee`
`11:52.21`	`jim`	`and then read the admin docs`
`11:52.25`	`clojster`	`jim: hm`
`11:52.25`	`jethro`	`clojster: use tcpkill /or set a firewall rule :)`
`11:52.47`	`jim`	`what's different about sid's dpkg?`
`11:53.07`	`clojster`	`I tried to kill process of PID which returned pure-ftpwho, but that user wasn't kicked`
`11:53.09`	`vorsprung`	`clojster, if you don't know for sure then 1) reset their password 2) restart the server. This should kick other people too`
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`11:53.43`	`vorsprung`	`clojster, like jim says though reading the docs seems like a good idea`
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`11:54.14`	`clojster`	`vorsprung: I want to kick someone who hanged there, so It's registered user I know`
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`11:54.21`	`raf256`	`hi I wanna to install debian stable (or better testing) with KDE, g++ + Anjuta/KDevel + some usual stuff + openoffice,`
`11:54.26`	`raf256`	`with CDs I must download?`
`11:54.30`	`raf256`	`best 2..4 CDs`
`11:54.32`	`clojster`	`vorsprung: there is nothing in docs about kicking user`
`11:54.34`	`jim`	`if lots of people are legitimately on your ftp server, of course it's -not- a good idea to shut the server down`
`11:54.43`	`vorsprung`	`clojster, oh is that all. Relax, it will time out`
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`11:54.55`	`raf256`	`I dont want netinstall ince the net connection on target computer is slow.... with CDs to download (and url?)`
`11:55.04`	`Jaak`	`raf256: if you dont have some mystical network then most likely go with net install`
`11:55.15`	`Jaak`	`oh`
`11:55.16`	`clojster`	`jim: yep`
`11:55.19`	`raf256`	`Jaak: slow net`
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`11:55.23`	`strawboat`	`raf256, bt iso download`
`11:55.27`	`Jaak`	`yeah, i just read it :)`
`11:55.28`	`jethro`	`!cd content`
`11:55.37`	`raf256`	`...`
`11:55.38`	`raf256`	`!cd`
`11:55.38`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory`
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`11:55.53`	`clojster`	`I heard that killing PID of that user (pure-ftpwho) will do the trick, but it don't`
`11:55.57`	`jethro`	`!tell raf256 -about cd contents`
`11:56.09`	`clojster`	`s/don't/doesn't/`
`11:56.09`	`jim`	`raf256: install the base, then install build-essential, then install the kde desktop netapackage and g++ and prolly gdb and ddd and whatever else you want ;)`
`11:56.12`	`raf256`	`with CDs I must download to have stuff for kde + c++ devel + kde`
`11:56.19`	`jim`	`(you know this tho)`
`11:56.26`	`khaz`	`I have Sarge and tried to compile new kernel (2.6.2.12). And I did. But system does'n work. Why?`
`11:56.27`	`raf256`	`I dont havve time to download fraking .jfuckinggo files`
`11:56.30`	`jethro`	`raf256: read the factoid, look for yourslef, and stop repeating`
`11:56.51`	`jethro`	`raf256: and don't be demanding as well.`
`11:56.53`	`Jaak`	`khaz: whats the boot error msg?`
`11:56.53`	`raf256`	`there should be an index on www page imho...`
`11:56.54`	`jim`	`khaz: camt`
`11:56.58`	`jethro`	`raf256: do it :)`
`11:57.04`	`jim`	`khaz: can't tell why. you tell us :)`
`11:57.22`	`valdyn`	`khaz: 2.6.12 might need a newer udev.`
`11:57.24`	`strawboat`	`raf256, fill debian-bootstrap in flashkey... it's all`
`11:57.25`	`jim`	`raf256: you want to put these packages on a cd?`
`11:57.39`	`jethro`	`jim: he wants to know which cds he has to get`
`11:57.44`	`Jaak`	`what, debian has 2.6.12?`
`11:57.48`	`jim`	`none! :)`
`11:57.49`	`raf256`	`anyway, the 1st ISO CD is enought to install everyting else using apt-get right? so having first CD of full-isos is not worse then having the n-i cd?`
`11:58.05`	`jethro`	`jim: read what he said. he doesn't want to netinst`
`11:58.07`	`jim`	`and that answer is for raf256 and Jaak!`
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`11:58.28`	`strawboat`	`raf256, hehe (pxe~~~~~~~~)`
`11:58.31`	`raf256`	`jim: yes. I would go for the n-i but inet on target PC is slow and I might pre-download 2..3 CDs`
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`11:59.20`	`jim`	`if you end up passing out a few dups to people, making the full cds is a good idea`
`11:59.23`	`nksen_`	`.`
`11:59.51`	`strawboat`	`buy a debian pre-installed computer?`
`11:59.53`	`raf256`	`If I have just 1 (not all 14) debian CDs, then the remaining soft will be apt-get while installing just as in net-install?`
`11:59.55`	`jim`	`like hopefully you have about 10 friends or so that want copies`
`12:00.00`	`raf256`	`streuner: there are none in PL`
`12:00.11`	`jim`	`yes, that's true`
`12:00.20`	`nksen_`	`damn. my nickname is nksen, without the underscore, but I can't rename 'freenode] -!- nksen The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#please_register)' what should Ido?`
`12:00.23`	`raf256`	`streuner: Im thinking of seling such service though`
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`12:00.38`	`nkuttler`	`nksen_: register...`
`12:00.38`	`Guerin`	`nksen_: please_register`
`12:00.43`	`nksen_`	`nksen is registered`
`12:00.43`	`raf256`	`nksen_: join the army - murde^H free som iraq ppl \o/`
`12:00.45`	`jim`	`please`
`12:00.49`	`jim`	`register`
`12:00.54`	`nksen_`	`guys`
`12:00.59`	`nksen_`	`it is registered`
`12:00.59`	`nksen_`	`thus I ask`
`12:01.05`	`strawboat`	`(spam)`
`12:01.06`	`jim`	`with the _?`
`12:01.08`	`nkuttler`	`nksen_: /msg nickserv ghost name passwd`
`12:01.11`	`nksen_`	`jim: no, without`
`12:01.11`	`raf256`	`nksen_: reconnectr and stop whining`
`12:01.17`	`Guerin`	`nksen_: so /part please_register and identify...`
`12:01.17`	`jim`	`register that one too`
`12:01.17`	`nksen_`	`i don't want to reconnect`
`12:01.25`	`jim`	`but there's no services now is there?`
`12:01.26`	`jethro`	`!lart nksen_`
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`12:01.33`	`raf256`	`!guerinsmite nksen_`
`12:01.34`	`jim`	`btw, why are we split?`
`12:01.42`	`strawboat`	`?`
`12:01.49`	`nksen_`	`raf256: stfu`
`12:01.54`	`raf256`	`!pal nksen_`
`12:01.55`	`nksen_`	`Guerin: thx`
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`12:02.43`	`raf256`	`1st CD of 14 cds have same things as net-install, and it works simmilar to net-install, just - I have some packages ready to install from CD right?`
`12:02.44`	`nksen_`	`heh`
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`12:03.23`	`nkuttler`	`raf256: sounds right to me`
`12:03.34`	`jim`	`raf256: I guess the first cd has debian-installer and boots into that`
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`12:03.57`	`raf256`	`ok`
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`12:04.30`	`nksen`	`yeehaa`
`12:04.30`	`sciboy`	`If i was going to make a symbolic link to a device as a normal user, where would i put it?`
`12:04.30`	`nksen`	`didn't notice i'm in #please_register`
`12:04.37`	`jim`	`aaheey <neskn>`
`12:04.56`	`DjStatik`	`Just a relitivly quick question ... I have been having some issues with Gentoo of late, and am considering a switch to Debian ... Do you think there are really performance gains to be had by custom compiling everything, and security gains from building everythign with a hardened toolchain?`
`12:05.05`	`raf256`	`sciboy: ... in own home?`
`12:05.11`	`nksen`	`DjStatik: no`
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`12:05.30`	`skaught`	`DjStatik, WTF is a hardened toolchain???`
`12:05.30`	`raf256`	`DjStatik: usew gentoo \o/ :-&`
`12:05.37`	`sciboy`	`raf256: Okey dokey then...`
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`12:05.48`	`DjStatik`	`sorry, I meant compiling everything using a stack smashing library etc ...`
`12:05.57`	`raf256`	`!gentoosmite DjStatik`
`12:06.06`	`jim`	`DjStatik: in not many cases, but yes, there are a couple of packages that benefit from compiling with arch optimizations`
`12:06.07`	`nksen`	`raf256: stop those commands. we all know, you know them all`
`12:06.20`	`migiel`	`how can i see if a module (in the kernel) was loaded succesfully ?`
`12:06.20`	`nksen`	`migiel: lsmod`
`12:06.20`	`jethro`	`migiel: lsmod`
`12:06.20`	`raf256`	`nksen: but do DjStatik now them`
`12:06.38`	`migiel`	`also modules that are compiled into the kernel ?`
`12:06.38`	`sciboy`	`YES!!!`
`12:06.38`	`Jaak`	`migiel: lsmod?`
`12:06.38`	`jethro`	`raf256: ever heard of botabuse?`
`12:06.46`	`DjStatik`	`nods yes, that's pretty much what I expected, just needed confirmation I guess.`
`12:06.46`	`nksen`	`migiel: modules compiled into the kernel are no modules any more`
`12:06.46`	`jim`	`modules are not compiled into the kernel`
`12:06.52`	`raf256`	`jethro: now, but this sounds like a good idea indeed`
`12:06.52`	`Jaak`	`deamn im slow`
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`12:07.11`	`migiel`	`nksen: ok... how are they called then.. ?`
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`12:07.28`	`nksen`	`migiel: ? what are you trying to achieve?`
`12:07.32`	`DjStatik`	`It' sj ust a little scary when you go to build 4 new web servers, and you can't even bootstrap the damn things, because something in binutils is screwed.`
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`12:07.41`	`jethro`	`raf256: how do you manage to be that stupid?`
`12:07.46`	`sciboy`	`OMG! w00t!`
`12:07.50`	`sciboy`	`My script works. XD`
`12:08.13`	`greycat`	`hmm, an auspicious beginning to this fine Monday morning -- jethro ranting at raf256 about stupidity.`
`12:08.14`	`raf256`	`jethro: Im learning from Americans`
`12:08.30`	`jethro`	`greycat: sorry I 'm stating the obvious. good monday :)`
`12:08.44`	`jim`	`DjStatik: well you could build gcc and glibc and binutils,,, but debian usually has working ones :)`
`12:08.54`	`raf256`	`hi there graycat \o/`
`12:08.54`	`DjStatik`	`last quicky ... how much performance will be lsot by running the i386 branch of Debian on an AMD64 box?`
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`12:09.23`	`internat`	`DjStatik, i dont think it will?`
`12:09.25`	`DjStatik`	`And why doesn't Debian have an offical branch of amd64 yet?`
`12:09.25`	`internat`	`i could be wrong`
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`12:09.44`	`nornagon`	`I'm using a java applet (runescape) and it works fine until I switch windows. Then the applet loses keyboard focus and I can't get it back again.`
`12:09.46`	`raf256`	`DjStatik: there is a debian64, also there is 32 bit kernel image for amd64-k8 (but it doesnt work too well AFAIK)`
`12:09.48`	`migiel`	`nksen: i've compiled a kernel with support for my scsi controller, but i want to know if it works..`
`12:10.00`	`migiel`	`mc`
`12:10.04`	`raf256`	`DjStatik: see also #debian-amd64`
`12:10.08`	`jim`	`DjStatik: not much loss... but potential gains in productivity because i386 arch is preeeety well tested :)`
`12:10.13`	`DjStatik`	`thanks`
`12:10.29`	`chealer`	`heh`
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`12:10.41`	`DjStatik`	`yeah, I know there is an unofficial amd64 branch, but wasn't sure how in sync it was with offical branch`
`12:10.55`	`Guerin`	`actually, it's supposed to be official sarge these days`
`12:11.01`	`chealer`	`DjStatik: in testing amd64 is official`
`12:11.01`	`Guerin`	`with security support and all`
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`12:11.12`	`Guerin`	`no, sarge is supposedly, too`
`12:11.12`	`jim`	`if it was in sync, it would be singing bad 4-part harmonies!`
`12:11.13`	`chealer`	`official sarge :?`
`12:11.18`	`snail`	`DjStatik: ask in #debian-amd64, but I believe you will find that it's pretty perfectly synced for decently licenced packages`
`12:11.22`	`DjStatik`	`ahh ok, cool, thanks`
`12:11.22`	`Guerin`	`yup`
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`12:11.54`	`Guerin`	`according to some message on debian-release by one of the RMs, anyway`
`12:11.54`	`leOn`	`btw ... debian for s390 ... is it rock solid ?`
`12:11.59`	`chealer`	`Guerin: hum. if you look at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian there's "2005-06-14: Distribution Release: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 for AMD64 (Unofficial)"`
`12:12.12`	`chealer`	`Guerin: could you tell me which one?`
`12:12.17`	`Faithful`	`What time is it in CA ?`
`12:12.20`	`Overand`	`!s390`
`12:12.20`	`Guerin`	`chealer: oh, because distrowatch is a fantastic arbiter of what happens in debian`
`12:12.21`	`dpkg`	`i heard s390 is an IBM mainframe architecture, or now known as z series`
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`12:12.32`	`Overand`	`hm`
`12:12.32`	`chealer`	`CA as in Canada?`
`12:12.32`	`greycat`	`Faithful: TZ=US/Pacific date`
`12:12.41`	`greycat`	`if he meant Canada, there's no single answer`
`12:12.47`	`jim`	`leOn: well I guess you can put it into its own virtual machine, so it might not matter much :)`
`12:12.52`	`Faithful`	`California`
`12:12.55`	`vaelek`	`morning.. I'm trying to install debian on my gateway laptop. I don't have a cdrom currently so I'm trying to do a net install. The boot disk loads find but whenever I put the root disk in I get 'end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0' and it drops me back to the prompt. I have tried several disks and even 2 different copies of the root image with the same results.. Any idea's???? I'm stuck`
`12:13.16`	`leOn`	`jim: that's the idea`
`12:13.33`	`Faithful`	`greycat: Thanks that was the best answer anyone could have given... and it taught me something.`
`12:13.33`	`chealer`	`if you look for instance at http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=zlib1g amd64 wouldn't have security aupport`
`12:13.39`	`nornagon`	`I'm using a java applet (runescape) and it works fine until I switch windows. Then the applet loses keyboard focus and I can't get it back again.`
`12:13.42`	`jim`	`so even if it crashes badly it doesn't affect anything else, from what I understand`
`12:13.45`	`jim`	`never ran it`
`12:13.54`	`raf256`	`isnt there a way to make CD act as in windows? that is - pressing EJECT button immediately unmounts + ejcts CD (even if it means I/O error is cd is beeing used at the moment)?`
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`12:14.01`	`Guerin`	`http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00005.html`
`12:14.22`	`Guerin`	`sort-of official, but with official security support`
`12:14.26`	`jim`	`raf256: if you can get kernel to hear eject button press`
`12:14.26`	`leOn`	`jim: crashing is not an option here ... will run very delicate services`
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`12:14.44`	`raf256`	`jim: well Im not like a kernel devel...`
`12:14.50`	`jim`	`then run cics or whatever :)`
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`12:15.03`	`leOn`	`jim: that's why the hardware ... but i really would like to use debian instead of the "recommended" Suse`
`12:15.13`	`Guerin`	`raf256: supermount`
`12:15.33`	`Guerin`	`raf256: it's a kernel patch which is reknowned for its flakiness, but it does what you want`
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`12:15.47`	`jim`	`leOn: I cant give you a guarantee'`
`12:15.59`	`thesaint3535`	`hi guys, quick question about installing debian for first time off cd ...`
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`12:16.41`	`vaelek`	`I guess I find a different distro with a net install, see if I have better luck than with debian.`
`12:16.41`	`leOn`	`being on woody i'd say it must be rather stable ...`
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`12:16.58`	`jim`	`you're running woody on the 390?`
`12:17.16`	`thesaint3535`	`can anyone tell me why i get a 'couldn't find debootstrap error' when installing via cd from boot ?`
`12:17.20`	`nornagon`	`I'm using a java applet (runescape) and it works fine until I switch windows. Then the applet loses keyboard focus and I can't get it back again. I'm using firefox Deer Park Alpha 1 and the most recent version of java.`
`12:17.20`	`leOn`	`no`
`12:17.28`	`jim`	`vaelek: best of luck to you then`
`12:17.59`	`greycat`	`my kids play runescape... on windows.`
`12:18.02`	`Overand`	`vaelek: did oyu look at the 'linux on laptops' resource?`
`12:18.07`	`leOn`	`that was me thinking loud .. says that S390 is supported on woody, so i'd say it must be rather stable ... even with sarge`
`12:18.24`	`Overand`	`vaelek: http://www.linux-laptop.net/`
`12:18.53`	`Overand`	`i think he means that the code must be relatively mature`
`12:18.55`	`Overand`	`i dunno`
`12:18.55`	`Overand`	`afk`
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`12:19.18`	`jim`	`well woody has been out for awhile, and sarge just came out`
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`12:19.31`	`chealer`	`Guerin: I guess "sort-of official" would be more appropriate term than stable indeed`
`12:19.44`	`panos`	`hi`
`12:20.18`	`panos`	`is there anyone who could help me configure postfix?`
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`12:20.52`	`drope`	`yea panos`
`12:21.01`	`drope`	`send me PM`
`12:21.18`	`greycat`	`there's a whole channel full of people who can help`
`12:21.23`	`panos`	`what is PM?`
`12:21.27`	`greycat`	`I'll give you a hint.`
`12:21.32`	`drope`	`Private Message`
`12:21.35`	`greycat`	`The channel name starts with a # and ends with a postfix`
`12:21.37`	`panos`	`ok thanks`
`12:21.44`	`chealer`	`Faithful: it's not like Canada wasn't the "canonical" geographical meaning for CA, you mentionned CA, USA, you couldn't find it straight on Wikipedia, or greycat had given you a wrong answer, but thanks for coming anyway`
`12:21.52`	`leOn`	`anyone knows if DJ Bernstein plans on GPL'ing djbware source code on his will ?`
`12:21.53`	`leOn`	`=P`
`12:22.04`	`greycat`	`!pal leOn`
`12:22.29`	`thesaint3535`	`anyone know how to remedy 'debootstrap' install probelm ?`
`12:22.29`	`d03boy`	`Faithful, i told you in the other chan already`
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`12:23.45`	`snail`	`leOn: we're praying for the tex code in Knuths will too...`
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`12:24.47`	`mdeboer`	`hi`
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`12:26.09`	`to\|m`	`Blue9: sorry, had telephone terror lasthoour.... :(`
`12:26.14`	`nornagon`	`I'm using a java applet (runescape) and it works fine until I switch windows. Then the applet loses keyboard focus and I can't get it back again. I'm using Deer Park Alpha 1 and java version "1.5.0_03".`
`12:26.40`	`greycat`	`nornagon: I'd ask #java or #firefox`
`12:26.50`	`mdeboer`	`I am making an Ubuntu Hoary based LiveCD. It all works fine, until I try to use my custom kernel. Anyone around familiar with LiveCD instrinsics? (I know this is #debian, but I believe the LiveCD tools are common with debian)`
`12:26.51`	`chealer`	`nornagon: ask irc.mozilla.org's #fireox`
`12:27.05`	`to\|m`	`if is want ALSA support which module I should start ?`
`12:27.08`	`d03boy`	`#java will tell you to ask here :P`
`12:27.43`	`to\|m`	`I have my soundcard /etc/modules here....via82cxxx_audio`
`12:27.47`	`to\|m`	`is it ok ?`
`12:28.04`	`to\|m`	`or do I need another module?`
`12:28.14`	`leOn`	`man .. i've upgraded openssl and keep getting that gnutls error`
`12:28.19`	`greycat`	`if that's the card you have, then it looks OK to me.`
`12:28.20`	`jm_`	`via82cxxx is an OSS module`
`12:28.31`	`to\|m`	`uhhh`
`12:28.38`	`ethics`	`to\|m, snd-module = alsa no snd = oss`
`12:29.00`	`to\|m`	`modulename = "alsa" ?`
`12:29.06`	`leOn`	`are there any issues between openssl'd servers and gnutls'd clients ?`
`12:29.26`	`greycat`	`to\|m: oh, you wanted ALSA? That's the problem when your question isn't all on one line!`
`12:29.33`	`ethics`	`to\|m, you may need to blacklist the oss ones to make alsa work but alsaconf should assist`
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`12:29.36`	`nornagon`	`chealer and greycat: thanks, will do.`
`12:30.21`	`to\|m`	`Yes I have OSS and want ALSA at bootime.. now i startalsaconf and ALS qrks fine - manualy...`
`12:30.42`	`greycat`	`!blacklist`
`12:30.42`	`dpkg`	`Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present)`
`12:30.52`	`tarzeau`	`jim: it belongs to /usr/share/applications (for gnome) and ./kde (for kde)`
`12:31.18`	`tarzeau`	`jim: and icons go somewhere else`
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`12:33.38`	`[timmeh]`	`could someone please show me a syntax example of making a super user withh adduser`
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`12:34.08`	`migma`	`rtfm`
`12:34.11`	`caphuso`	`[timmeh]: you don't need to, you already have one`
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`12:35.00`	`ethics`	`[timmeh], you want other users to sudo things`
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`12:35.22`	`ethics`	`[timmeh], man sudu theres a group oer something hehe`
`12:35.56`	`[timmeh]`	`i eanted to make a ftp user that could edit any file`
`12:35.58`	`[timmeh]`	`clsoe to anyway`
`12:36.07`	`jim`	`tarzeau: oh sorry; fell asleep in my chair...`
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`12:37.11`	`tarzeau`	`jim: heh you also maintain a few packages?`
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`12:37.15`	`jim`	`[timmeh]: use a group and group ownership`
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`12:37.27`	`jim`	`not really`
`12:37.32`	`skaught`	`GNUPod is a killer app.`
`12:37.40`	`greycat`	`you do NOT want someone to edit your files as superuser over FTP.`
`12:37.57`	`litb`	`what does 'dfsg' mean?`
`12:38.06`	`greycat`	`!dfsg`
`12:38.06`	`caphuso`	`debian free software guidelines`
`12:38.06`	`dpkg`	`hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines`
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`12:38.28`	`to\|m`	`Does any1 know the alsa module name for via-onboard chips?`
`12:38.49`	`Jaak`	`to\|m: do lspci`
`12:38.51`	`greycat`	`no, any1 doesn't know. any1 is a fucking idiot.`
`12:38.51`	`caphuso`	`to\|m: probably snd-via82xx`
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`12:39.01`	`jim`	`to\|m: you have to know which ones precisely`
`12:39.03`	`Jaak`	`to\|m: and then check against alsa soundcrad matrix`
`12:39.09`	`litb`	`there is a package xorg-6.8.2-dfsg`
`12:39.12`	`Jaak`	`soundcard*`
`12:39.14`	`litb`	`what could that mean?`
`12:39.22`	`jim`	`no1 is as idiotic as any1`
`12:39.26`	`greycat`	`litb: read its description`
`12:39.48`	`greycat`	`jim: but the worst of them all is ne1`
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`12:40.24`	`jethro`	`at least, ne1 can answer my n00b q`
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`12:40.54`	`jim`	`no1 can answer your n000b 2uestion`
`12:41.14`	`jethro`	`!irritate jim`
`12:41.15`	`dpkg`	`jim: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound plz msg me, gsimmons_`
`12:41.27`	`to\|m`	`ok, lspci said 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)`
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`12:41.56`	`nornagon`	`What's that tool you can use to start an X server in a window within your current X server?`
`12:42.09`	`greycat`	`xnest`
`12:42.20`	`nornagon`	`Ah, thanks :)_`
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`12:48.24`	`cbr`	`hmm.. i did dpkg-reconfigure locales.. switched the default locale.. but now when i log in again, i still got the old locale.. did i do something wrong/didn't do something?`
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`12:50.44`	`migiel`	`i've got 2 scsi drives configure as raid-1, but in debian i see sda1 and sdb1, this can't be correct?`
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`12:51.23`	`sts`	`migiel: software or hardware raid? did you already try to mount the disk?`
`12:51.33`	`migiel`	`sts: hardware`
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`12:51.42`	`migiel`	`i didnt try to mount it yet..`
`12:53.55`	`sts`	`migiel: cat /proc/scsi/scsi`
`12:54.22`	`migiel`	`2 scsi drives: id 00 and 01`
`12:55.20`	`sts`	`hm. looks like you messed something in your raid controller config.`
`12:55.34`	`migiel`	`m, i'll take a look then`
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`12:55.50`	`stouset`	`Is anyone aware of what determines what the default "Sans" and "Mono" fonts are in X?`
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`12:56.16`	`cbr`	`hmm.. it seems like /etc/environment isnt sourced for some reason`
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`12:56.31`	`sts`	`stouset: fontconfig`
`12:56.39`	`greycat`	`cbr: it's not read by a shell.`
`12:56.47`	`greycat`	`cbr: you cannot put $FOO in it, etc.`
`12:56.59`	`strk`	`is there a way to replace libstdc++-5 with 'stable' from 'unstable' ?`
`12:57.02`	`cbr`	`greycat: but LANG`
`12:57.04`	`migiel`	`it's configured as (mirrored)... i have no idea what could be wrong..`
`12:57.04`	`skaught`	`stouset, which reads its config from /etc/fonts/fonts.conf`
`12:57.10`	`greycat`	`(and I really despise the fact that you can't put MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ in it!)`
`12:57.13`	`cbr`	`greycat: $LANG is put into there`
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`12:57.22`	`greycat`	`cbr: no, LANG=foo is in there. $LANG is not.`
`12:57.22`	`strk`	`actually, is there a way to 'downgrade' a single package ?`
`12:57.24`	`stouset`	`sts, skaught: thanks`
`12:57.28`	`greycat`	`strk: dpkg -i`
`12:57.32`	`cbr`	`greycat: well yeah`
`12:57.52`	`cbr`	`greycat: but when nothing reads it, how can i change my locale?`
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`12:57.56`	`strk`	`greycat, does it accept an url ?`
`12:58.04`	`greycat`	`cbr: I DID NOT SAY THAT NOTHING READS IT!`
`12:58.09`	`greycat`	`!wikifaq cbr DotFiles`
`12:58.10`	`dpkg`	`cbr: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
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`12:58.17`	`greycat`	`you used the word "source".`
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`12:58.27`	`greycat`	`"source" is a shell builtin (csh/bash) with a VERY SPECIFIC MEANING`
`12:58.31`	`greycat`	`I said that no SHELL reads it.`
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`12:58.42`	`cbr`	`greycat: well dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't change the locale`
`12:58.50`	`greycat`	`since no SHELL reads it, you can't do SHELL SUBSTITUTIONS like $FOO -> the contents of FOO, etc.`
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`12:59.19`	`cbr`	`greycat: it changes the line in /etc/environment.. but the locale stays the same`
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`12:59.20`	`jm_`	`cbr: /etc/environment is read by relevant PAM module, which should be enabled by default`
`12:59.21`	`scar_`	`what is the exact package name for the updatedb thing?`
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`12:59.45`	`S0n1`	`hi`
`12:59.46`	`cbr`	`jm_: can i reload it or smth?`
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`13:00.02`	`S0n1`	`i have clients and need upgrade allday`
`13:00.03`	`jm_`	`cbr: I think you should read about PAM`
`13:00.22`	`S0n1`	`don't have script for upgrade all day automatic in crontab`
`13:00.26`	`cbr`	`what should i read about it?`
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`13:00.34`	`jm_`	`what it is and what it does`
`13:00.34`	`S0n1`	`type apt-get upgrade`
`13:00.39`	`S0n1`	`or aptitude ..`
`13:00.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`any howto for install full systems with debootstrap ?`
`13:00.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`'debootstrap`
`13:00.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`dpkg, debootstrap`
`13:00.52`	`Coke`	`!enter`
`13:00.52`	`dpkg`	`i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install>`
`13:00.52`	`dpkg`	`The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).`
`13:00.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`ops, sorry`
`13:01.06`	`cbr`	`jm_: i really just want to change my locale, nothing further ;)`
`13:01.27`	`cbr`	`i used dpkg-reconfigure locales for it but that didnt work`
`13:01.34`	`jm_`	`cbr: logout and login`
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`13:01.56`	`cbr`	`i even did a reboot but might as well try it again..`
`13:01.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`hummm... any howto ?`
`13:02.10`	`jm_`	`then you might not have relevant PAM module enabled`
`13:02.14`	`greycat`	`cbr: nobody here can possibly tell you how dpkg-reconfigure (fails to) work(s).`
`13:02.25`	`greycat`	`cbr: debconf/dpkg-reconfigure is convoluted, ugly, and quite possibly broken.`
`13:02.31`	`greycat`	`cbr: just edit the damned file by hand.`
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`13:03.07`	`cbr`	`greycat: which file?`
`13:03.23`	`Eulex`	`scar_, findutils and slocate`
`13:03.32`	`stouset`	`sts, skaught: Ah! Thanks for pointing me to fontconfig. I did a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, read the dialogs, and realized that ttf-bitstream-vera is Debian's default font, and that I'd uninstalled it. I wondered why my fonts didn't look as nice as they used to, and now I realize why :-)`
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`13:03.40`	`cbr`	`/etc/environment is edited greycat .. dpkg-reconfigure did that`
`13:03.49`	`greycat`	`cbr: ok, then what's your bitch?`
`13:03.58`	`greycat`	`cbr: you failed to logout and back in?`
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`13:04.07`	`caphuso`	`greycat: check /etc/security/pam_env.conf`
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`13:04.29`	`adapter`	`i have a problem: when i use iptraf, i see a transfer on port 80 who uses all my bandwidth and i don't know what process causes that; how could i stop this download?`
`13:04.30`	`space_cow_boy`	`du says I have a negative number of 1k clusters, but that I am only using 27% of my disk. google says the neg number means I am over the amount of space allocated for individual users. How can I check how much space is allocated for users and how much to root?`
`13:04.39`	`cbr`	`greycat: i log out and back in!!!! but that doesnt change anything.. that's my problem`
`13:04.59`	`cbr`	`i still have the OLD locale`
`13:05.04`	`cbr`	`not the NEW one that's in the file`
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`13:05.13`	`brosio`	`i get a segfault with kmail after apt-upgrade`
`13:05.14`	`snail`	`space: depends on the partitition: man -k quota`
`13:05.22`	`brosio`	`anyone have the same problem ?`
`13:05.24`	`greycat`	`caphuso: oh, just what I need. ANOTHER file to learn.`
`13:05.29`	`skaught`	`brosio, are you running unstable or testing?`
`13:05.31`	`Eulex`	`brosio, checked the bts?`
`13:05.42`	`Fleck`	`cbr export LANG="" and then relogin`
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`13:05.52`	`skaught`	`brosio, Meaning, are you running either of those, or stable :)`
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`13:05.56`	`adapter`	`hi guys, i have a problem: when i use iptraf, i see a transfer on port 80 who uses all my bandwidth and i don't know what process causes that; how could i stop this download?`
`13:06.02`	`brosio`	`skaught, unstable`
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`13:06.14`	`Eulex`	`!tell adapter about repeat`
`13:06.15`	`brosio`	`Eulex, bts is ?`
`13:06.19`	`cbr`	`Fleck: as user?`
`13:06.19`	`greycat`	`brosio: /topic`
`13:06.21`	`Eulex`	`!btssmite brosio`
`13:06.23`	`Coke`	`adapter: netstat for instance`
`13:06.24`	`jm_`	`adapter: so use the tools that will tell you which process is using given port`
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`13:06.31`	`skaught`	`brosio, Yes, C++ apps WILL be broken in unstable for a little while`
`13:06.47`	`stouset`	`brosio: C++ ABI change. Anything C++ is going to be pretty broken.`
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`13:07.09`	`greycat`	`it's a good thing apt isn't written in C++!!!!!11one`
`13:07.11`	`cbr`	`Fleck: nope..`
`13:07.12`	`cbr`	`$ locale`
`13:07.12`	`cbr`	`LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15`
`13:07.15`	`brosio`	`now what can i do ?`
`13:07.31`	`cbr`	`$ cat /etc/environment \| grep LANG=`
`13:07.31`	`greycat`	`cbr: then you need to check ALL YOUR OTHER DOT FILES.`
`13:07.31`	`cbr`	`LANG=en_US.UTF-8`
`13:07.33`	`greycat`	`every single one.`
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`13:07.36`	`greycat`	`have fun.`
`13:07.38`	`greycat`	`!wikifaq cbr DotFiles`
`13:07.39`	`dpkg`	`cbr: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`13:07.48`	`stouset`	`brosio: Well, you can revert the upgrades.`
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`13:07.52`	`greycat`	`and apparently I need to add YET ANOTHER file to the list thanks to caphuso. :-/`
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`13:07.55`	`stouset`	`brosio: Alternatively, you can wait it out.`
`13:08.11`	`brosio`	`stouset, how ?`
`13:08.28`	`Fleck`	`cbr don't you have something in .bashrc ?`
`13:08.33`	`stouset`	`brosio: But that's the risk you take when running unstable. Applications will break, because sometimes they need to. Unstable is where all those kinks get worked out.`
`13:08.37`	`brosio`	`i remove old package with apt-get clean`
`13:08.38`	`skaught`	`brosio, But seriously... you have to be prepared to live with brokenness if you're using unstable. And most people won't help you in here if you're using unstable, because you should know better`
`13:08.41`	`cbr`	`Fleck: uhm.. yes`
`13:08.47`	`space_cow_boy`	`snail man -k quota --> nothing appropriate. I just installed quota`
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`13:09.18`	`Eulex`	`brosio, maybe the one in testing will work? and btw, that is not smart`
`13:09.29`	`adapter`	`Coke: when i use netstat i have a line like that: tcp 0 29200 bestmedia.rdsct.ro:www 174.euroweb.ro:2844 ESTABLISHED ; how caould i identify the process that uses that port?`
`13:09.59`	`adapter`	`jm_: give me an example pls`
`13:10.09`	`jm_`	`adapter: lsof, netstat, ...`
`13:10.17`	`Coke`	`adapter: lsof`
`13:10.22`	`Coke`	`adapter: man lsof`
`13:10.38`	`Coke`	`adapter: the man pages have both examples AND instructions on how to use it.`
`13:10.43`	`cbr`	`Fleck: i have some aliases in there`
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`13:11.02`	`snail`	`space_cow_boy: is this a local partition? what kind of partition is it?`
`13:11.12`	`Fish-Face`	`Is there a way of operating on packages installed after a particular date?`
`13:11.17`	`space_cow_boy`	`snail it is /dev/hda2 it is my root partition`
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`13:11.32`	`Fish-Face`	`I basically wish to roll back all packages to before a certain date/time`
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`13:11.46`	`Eulex`	`Fish-Face, there is no such thing`
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`13:11.59`	`Fish-Face`	`Eulex, damn. :(`
`13:12.05`	`snail`	`space_cow_boy: yes, but is it ext2? ntfs? ...`
`13:12.22`	`space_cow_boy`	`snail ext2`
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`13:12.30`	`neversummer`	`if i upgrade apache from 1.3 to version 2 using apt-get upgrade, will the settings stay the same?? and is there any way to upgrade only specific packages ??`
`13:12.36`	`snail`	`Fish-Face: use find in the package info directory, checking for dates`
`13:12.38`	`ethics`	`windows xp calls it system restore hehe its a wierd contraption that i dont think ive seen on linux`
`13:12.43`	`Coke`	`space_cow_boy: there's a difference between filesystem and it's device.`
`13:12.53`	`snail`	`neversummer: yes, read on the web about pinning`
`13:12.56`	`greycat`	`apache to apache2 is not an upgrade.`
`13:13.04`	`Fish-Face`	`snail, righty, which directory is that?`
`13:13.13`	`greycat`	`the settings can't "stay the same" because they are two totally different programs.`
`13:13.25`	`Coke`	`neversummer: apache1.3 and apache2 aren't upgrades, those are different.`
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`13:13.40`	`ethics`	`although its sorta like a backup on the live disk so you could just restore tapes back to a date....wouldnt be too hard to build it ...making it pick the right stuff would be hard tho`
`13:13.51`	`Oldsberg-`	`Im trying to fix a IPv6 tunnel but the script says that it cant find /proc/net/if_inet6?`
`13:14.30`	`Coke`	`Oldsberg-: do you have IPv6 support for your kernel?`
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`13:15.13`	`snail`	`Fish: /var/lib/dpkg/info/`
`13:15.15`	`Oldsberg-`	`well ping6 exists?`
`13:15.30`	`Coke`	`Oldsberg-: ping6 what?`
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`13:15.49`	`Oldsberg-`	`bah, well how do I install ipv6 then?`
`13:16.01`	`Coke`	`Oldsberg-: depends on what kernel you are using.`
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`13:16.39`	`Oldsberg-`	`I just installed with the net boot cd`
`13:16.45`	`Coke`	`Oldsberg-: stable?`
`13:16.53`	`Oldsberg-`	`yes`
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`13:17.18`	`Coke`	`Oldsberg-: hm. what kernel did you choose?`
`13:17.33`	`Oldsberg-`	`never chose any kernel?`
`13:17.43`	`Coke`	`I wonder if the net installation has the kernel select dialog.`
`13:17.55`	`skaught`	`Coke, no dialog, but accepts boot arguments`
`13:17.56`	`abrotman`	`maybe he should use modconf and load some ipv6 modules ?`
`13:18.07`	`jm_`	`maybe he shouldn't use IPv6 after all ;)`
`13:18.32`	`Coke`	`Oldsberg-: uname -a`
`13:18.39`	`abrotman`	`Coke: no .. it either installs the 2.4.27-2-386 or 2.6.8-2-386 .. only difference is whether or not you say linux26 when the netinst starts`
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`13:18.48`	`Oldsberg-`	`it's 2.4.27-2-386`
`13:19.10`	`Coke`	`It should have ipv6 support already.`
`13:19.14`	`cbr`	`i even set export LANG=foo to /etc/profile but it still didn't work`
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`13:19.31`	`abrotman`	`USE modconf ..`
`13:19.34`	`abrotman`	`look for the modules`
`13:19.34`	`Oldsberg-`	`well why dont if_inet6 exists then?`
`13:19.36`	`abrotman`	`load some up!`
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`13:19.54`	`Coke`	`I never had to load IPv6 drivers explicitly, my newly installed Debian sarge just resolved using ipv6 if available.`
`13:20.11`	`Coke`	`Oldsberg-: I don't think anything like that should exist in the 2.4 kernel.`
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`13:21.04`	`Oldsberg-`	`Coke: well can I add it?`
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`13:21.25`	`Coke`	`Have you tried doing a ping on an IPv6 address?`
`13:22.15`	`abrotman`	`load some up!`
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`13:22.27`	`abrotman`	`Coke: have you verfied that he has ANY ipv6 modules loaded ?>`
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`13:23.00`	`ieatpcs`	`Hello`
`13:23.07`	`Coke`	`abrotman: better to test first whether or not it really works`
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`13:23.17`	`ieatpcs`	`brb`
`13:23.20`	`Oldsberg-`	`socket: Address family not supported by protocol`
`13:23.26`	`Oldsberg-`	`so no ipv6 modules buhu`
`13:23.28`	`abrotman`	`Coke: how could you if you don't have ipv6 modules loaded ?`
`13:23.32`	`abrotman`	`yay`
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`13:23.43`	`kevin_`	`hi everybody`
`13:24.05`	`mathieu`	`why would modprobe run when i log in using ssh?`
`13:24.07`	`Coke`	`abrotman: it's easier to test whether or not ipv6 works than if they are supported by the kernel`
`13:24.19`	`nvz_`	`damn this irssi... I must have to /reload.. I /set my alternate nick and this nvz_ character is still comming around :P`
`13:24.35`	`mathieu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:24.35`	`mathieu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:24.35`	`mathieu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:24.42`	`abrotman`	`Coke: right .. but if the modules aren't even available ..`
`13:24.42`	`mathieu`	`it's really slow :/`
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`13:25.08`	`abrotman`	`nvz: i heard nvz_ is a loser!`
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`13:25.44`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: ping`
`13:25.46`	`Coke`	`abrotman: then it won't work. but so far all he has said is that /proc/net/if_ipv6 doesn't exist, I don't even know if it's supposed to be there.`
`13:25.58`	`nvz`	`abrotman: he's a poser just like nvc, nvs, nvzn and the rest of em`
`13:26.13`	`Coke`	`I can't even find the damn ipv6 settings in the 2.4 menuconfig.`
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`13:26.39`	`tarzeau`	`nvz: and nvi?`
`13:26.45`	`OleMoudi`	`I downloaded months ago the netinstaller iso. should I download it again to make a new testing install or the old one will be enough?`
`13:26.55`	`nvz`	`tarzeau: bah.`
`13:26.57`	`tarzeau`	`OleMoudi: i think the old one is fine`
`13:27.09`	`nvz`	`people need to get over it.. they cant be nvz :P`
`13:27.09`	`skaught`	`OleMoudi, especially if it's RC3-ish`
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`13:27.30`	`evilbadman`	`OleMoudi: should be fine. if it doesn't work, you can always try the latest.`
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`13:28.17`	`greycat`	`OleMoudi: just remember to change "testing" to "sarge" before you fetch new packages.`
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`13:28.33`	`greycat`	`gods only know why they released all the RC* sarge net install images saying "testing".`
`13:28.39`	`nvz`	`I guess I should get ready fer werk`
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`13:28.48`	`OleMoudi`	`greycat, what if I want to install testing?`
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`13:28.58`	`greycat`	`then you're a fool`
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`13:29.39`	`abrotman`	`Coke: i think that's only there if you load the ipv6 modules`
`13:29.43`	`OleMoudi`	`greycat, cool, why?`
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`13:30.11`	`Coke`	`abrotman: AFAIK IPv6 is experimental in the 2.4.27`
`13:30.17`	`Oldsberg-`	`abrotman: how do I load those modules`
`13:30.17`	`[timmeh]`	`chgrp command how do i give the group write permission?`
`13:30.29`	`Fish-Face`	`:/ i'm screwed`
`13:30.41`	`greycat`	`[timmeh]: man chgrp`
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`13:30.46`	`greycat`	`!wikifaq [timmeh] Permissions`
`13:30.47`	`dpkg`	`[timmeh]: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
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`13:30.50`	`cbr`	`greycat: in a VT i have the correct locale.. it's f00ked only in X..`
`13:30.59`	`Hiruko`	`hi`
`13:31.16`	`[timmeh]`	`but where in the syntax does the permission go?`
`13:31.31`	`greycat`	`cbr: GNOME, by any chance?`
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`13:31.42`	`abrotman`	`Coke: hell no`
`13:31.45`	`cbr`	`greycat: KDE, but using GDM`
`13:31.48`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: in KDE it's different`
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`13:31.52`	`abrotman`	`Coke: ipv6 has been around in 2.4 for .. years`
`13:31.55`	`greycat`	`!blame KDE`
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`13:32.00`	`Coke`	`abrotman: I guess the docs aren't updated then.`
`13:32.01`	`Hiruko`	`is there a way to get apci working without having to recompile the kernel?`
`13:32.01`	`Hiruko`	`when i installed it through apt it said I needed to; but i have no idea on how to go about that`
`13:32.02`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: in KDE you have to install language files and select it from a KDE program`
`13:32.06`	`abrotman`	`Coke: are they ever? :)`
`13:32.08`	`nvz`	`dpkg, thats what I'm talking about`
`13:32.11`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: KDE is not like the others`
`13:32.11`	`maka`	`olaaaa`
`13:32.17`	`cbr`	`tarzeau: i fired up openbox too`
`13:32.20`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`13:32.21`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`13:32.22`	`cbr`	`still wrong locale`
`13:32.26`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: it doesn't matter. all KDE apps are like that`
`13:32.27`	`greycat`	`!blame gdm`
`13:32.34`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: did you locale-gen ?`
`13:32.36`	`Hiruko`	`!blame greycat`
`13:32.40`	`Hiruko`	`:)`
`13:32.40`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: can you try wdm?`
`13:32.52`	`cbr`	`wdm?`
`13:32.56`	`greycat`	`why the fuck can't people just use xdm?`
`13:32.56`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: yeah`
`13:32.59`	`Hiruko`	`anyway, can someone help me out with acpi?`
`13:33.05`	`greycat`	`would it work too well or something?`
`13:33.07`	`cbr`	`tarzeau: could i try kdm?`
`13:33.08`	`Hiruko`	`I'd like to get the battery monitor working on my laptop`
`13:33.12`	`tarzeau`	`greycat: looks too ugly`
`13:33.12`	`Coke`	`abrotman: anyway, in the 2.6 sarge kernel IPv6 was enabled by default, if ipv6 is not experimental, why is not on by default in the 2.4? I just wanted to make sure that Oldsberg- didn't just assume stuff in /proc/net and actualy HAD full ipv6 support.`
`13:33.16`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: no`
`13:33.20`	`qwertz__`	`Is there any way to mount a ftp directory into the normal file system tree?`
`13:33.20`	`rob_lt`	`cbr, do you ride a honda, or does cbr mean something else?`
`13:33.20`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: use wdm or xdm`
`13:33.28`	`cbr`	`rob_lt: something else`
`13:33.32`	`Coke`	`tea and chocolate treat in the other office. gotta go!`
`13:33.33`	`rob_lt`	`ok :)`
`13:33.38`	`greycat`	`rob_lt: it means Constant Bit Rate for me.`
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`13:33.46`	`tarzeau`	`Coke: where do you work?`
`13:33.47`	`cbr`	`tarzeau: i remember i had a similar problem with GDM under gentoo but i resolved it somehow`
`13:33.50`	`greycat`	`rob_lt: in other words, "old, obsolete, crappy-sounding MP3 files"`
`13:33.55`	`rob_lt`	`greycat, and the first thing I thought of was a honda cbr sportbike :)`
`13:33.55`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: yeah but GDM sucks`
`13:34.09`	`Coke`	`tarzeau: su.se ;)`
`13:34.15`	`jm_`	`qwertz__: yes`
`13:34.19`	`[timmeh]`	`how do i chmod a whole directory?`
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`13:34.23`	`cbr`	`gdm looks nice xD`
`13:34.31`	`[timmeh]`	`so all the subdirectories are effect aswell`
`13:34.36`	`tarzeau`	`Coke: stockholms universitet or the other linux?`
`13:34.39`	`greycat`	`[timmeh]: man chmod`
`13:34.41`	`rob_lt`	`greycat, well, like alot of things in life, the minority knows what's best, even if it's not mainstream`
`13:34.44`	`tarzeau`	`cbr: gdm looks like bullshit`
`13:35.00`	`cbr`	`negative :p`
`13:35.01`	`greycat`	`I don't care how it looks. gdm works very, very poorly.`
`13:35.10`	`greycat`	`it doesn't even read .xsession`
`13:35.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`sure it does`
`13:35.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`you just have to use the Debian session`
`13:35.34`	`greycat`	`only if you click something nonstandard`
`13:35.39`	`abrotman`	`Coke: then have him install a 2.6 kernel ?`
`13:35.52`	`greycat`	`if you just type your name & passwd, it reads .gnomerc if that exists, AND THEN IT DOES THE SYSTEM DEFAULT anyway!`
`13:36.10`	`greycat`	`you can't tell it not to use the system default unless you set some undocumented DEBUG variable`
`13:36.12`	`Hiruko`	`how do i enable acpi in the kernel?`
`13:36.15`	`cbr`	`greycat: ofcourse it reads .Xsession`
`13:36.23`	`cbr`	`you gotta select Custom Session or smth`
`13:36.25`	`greycat`	`cbr: not by fefault.`
`13:36.27`	`greycat`	`default*`
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`13:36.29`	`cbr`	`did for me`
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`13:36.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`greycat: actually, when I just type my name and password, it uses the Debian session. But then, I've selected the proper session, and it's the default.`
`13:36.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`but then again, no one is forcing anyone to use gdm`
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`13:38.16`	`Hiruko`	`can someone help me out?`
`13:38.29`	`strawboat`	`i doubt it`
`13:38.33`	`Hiruko`	`:(`
`13:38.34`	`cbr`	`greycat: all is good.. it works with KDM ;)`
`13:38.36`	`jm_`	`hiruo;no doubt there is someone, somewhere, who can`
`13:38.40`	`Hiruko`	`lol`
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`13:38.50`	`qwertz__`	`Jm_, could please give me the command or a hint, haven't found something related to ftp in the man of mount`
`13:38.53`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, as you have been told before, it is already enabled!`
`13:38.56`	`jm_`	`anyway, Debian kernel images have ACPI enabled so load the modules`
`13:38.58`	`jm_`	`qwertz__: fuse`
`13:38.59`	`Hiruko`	`no it isn't`
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`13:39.02`	`Hiruko`	`well`
`13:39.06`	`Hiruko`	`unless it's lying to me`
`13:39.13`	`greycat`	`qwertz__: you would need a special kernel level driver for it`
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`13:39.31`	`Hiruko`	`hiruko@debian:~$ acpi`
`13:39.31`	`Hiruko`	`No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path ("/proc/acpi").`
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`13:39.42`	`Hiruko`	`I installed it with apt so I don't see how the path could be wrong`
`13:39.49`	`jm_`	`you need to load the modules ...`
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`13:40.00`	`strawboat`	`...`
`13:40.13`	`Hiruko`	`....`
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`13:40.41`	`cbr`	`greycat: there's some special way to configure the file choosers etc to use UTF-8?`
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`13:40.51`	`leOn`	`qwertz__: go here http://lufs.sourceforge.net`
`13:40.53`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, is acpid installed?`
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`13:41.06`	`greycat`	`don't ask me about UTF8`
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`13:41.30`	`greycat`	`Domain Name:WOOLEDGE.ORG`
`13:41.31`	`greycat`	`Registrant Country:US`
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`13:42.17`	`abrotman`	`greycat: you could be an import!`
`13:42.27`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, and then you have to load the acpi module of your cpu`
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`13:42.33`	`cbr`	`okay, thanks anyway`
`13:42.37`	`greycat`	`no, I'm domestic(ated)`
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`13:42.49`	`abrotman`	`greycat: using the litter pan eh?`
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`13:43.35`	`Hiruko`	`i installed everything containing acpi`
`13:43.35`	`Hiruko`	`unless that's not what you mean`
`13:43.38`	`Hiruko`	`what modules?`
`13:43.44`	`Hiruko`	`eulex: yes it is`
`13:44.00`	`Hiruko`	`where are the modules... or is there a good guide for this?`
`13:44.17`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, what is your cpu?`
`13:44.18`	`abrotman`	`did you install acpid ?`
`13:44.24`	`abrotman`	`how old is this computer ?`
`13:44.41`	`Hiruko`	`yes`
`13:44.50`	`Hiruko`	`it's like a month old... it's a recent model`
`13:44.57`	`Hiruko`	`I have a sempron 3000_`
`13:44.59`	`Hiruko`	`+*`
`13:45.24`	`internat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:45.37`	`internat`	`anyone know why i get the passwd null thing in courier auth?`
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`13:45.44`	`internat`	`even tho im enteing valid passwords`
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`13:45.49`	`abrotman`	`ask #courier ?`
`13:45.55`	`internat`	`no one is arround`
`13:45.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`my terminals shows not-valid characters... how to configure it ?`
`13:46.04`	`Eulex`	`!they don't know`
`13:46.05`	`dpkg`	`Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google.`
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`13:46.25`	`Hiruko`	`lol`
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`13:46.33`	`internat`	`already tried google :P`
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`13:47.08`	`abrotman`	`tried kartoo ?`
`13:47.32`	`Hiruko`	`Eulex: where do i find the module for my processor?`
`13:47.58`	`bob2`	`khartum`
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`13:49.03`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, google for it -- though I already did it for you and found a nifty doc: http://people.arcada.fi/~westerlk/Aspire1362LC.html`
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`13:51.03`	`Hiruko`	`oh...`
`13:51.03`	`Hiruko`	`is apci enabled by deafault in the 2.4.27 kernel?`
`13:51.32`	`Hiruko`	`acpi*`
`13:51.42`	`nksen`	`Hiruko: load the modules`
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`13:51.54`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, you're running 2.4.27 on a brand new computer that most probably needs the latest drivers???`
`13:52.19`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, I'd advice you to at least run 2.6.11`
`13:52.26`	`nksen`	`Eulex: no`
`13:53.12`	`greycat`	`2.6.11 was an unstable series, wasn't it?`
`13:53.26`	`skaught`	`greycat, No, the kernel development model has changed`
`13:53.27`	`nksen`	`yup`
`13:53.46`	`sour`	`finger @kernel.org`
`13:53.49`	`sour`	`will tell u whats out there`
`13:54.01`	`greycat`	`skaught: I couldn't bear to read more than the first paragraph or two from the kerneltrap article where they discussed it...`
`13:54.01`	`Hiruko`	`that's what the installer put on there.. i'm a little new to this, also when i tried to install the 2.6 kernel, it would download the image, try to install but fail`
`13:54.21`	`greycat`	`can't they just 1) make up their minds, and 2) document it somewhere, in one paragraph or less?`
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`13:54.43`	`Eulex`	`2.6.11 is stable, even the newest 2.6.12 kernels are quite stable`
`13:54.45`	`skaught`	`greycat, The worst is hearing Linus say that people shouldn't use the vanilla tree, they should let the vendors patch the kernel to stability`
`13:54.49`	`tarzeau`	`maybe it's in a manual page, i heard they really have good manual pages`
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`13:54.59`	`sour`	`The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.12.2`
`13:55.04`	`Hiruko`	`well in any case, i had trouble when i tried to update the image`
`13:55.16`	`nvz`	`my body is rejecting this cherry pop tart as breakfast.. its saying c'mon man.. wtf is this.`
`13:55.22`	`nksen`	`tarzeau: who, 'they'?`
`13:55.31`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, "had trouble" is not an accurate description`
`13:55.34`	`Hiruko`	`sorry i keep bringing up all my problems`
`13:55.35`	`tarzeau`	`nksen: obviously nobody, i was kidding`
`13:55.39`	`Hiruko`	`i'll do it again and get an error message`
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`13:55.43`	`nksen`	`tarzeau: heh. bsd has`
`13:55.48`	`tarzeau`	`nksen: i know`
`13:55.50`	`Hiruko`	`i tried googling it, just getting the same directions`
`13:56.05`	`Eulex`	`skaught, eh? he really did?`
`13:56.14`	`greycat`	`!kernel of instability`
`13:56.14`	`dpkg`	`Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal)`
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`13:56.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`what are the conf of LC_ALL ¿?`
`13:56.26`	`Hiruko`	`if i use synaptics to do this`
`13:56.40`	`nksen`	`Hiruko: smells like an ubuntu user`
`13:56.41`	`Hiruko`	`do i need to mark my current kernel for removal and select 2.6 for installation?`
`13:56.46`	`Hiruko`	`>_<`
`13:56.50`	`Hiruko`	`I'm just new to linux`
`13:56.52`	`viyyer`	`nero for debian seems to reject all blank CD calling it not blank`
`13:57.02`	`Hiruko`	`I'm sure you wren't born omnicient...`
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`13:57.09`	`greycat`	`Thanatermesis: the locales package`
`13:57.11`	`tarzeau`	`viyyer: we can't support nero. it's not free software`
`13:57.31`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, no, you can have several kernel installed`
`13:57.36`	`Hiruko`	`alright`
`13:57.39`	`Hiruko`	`i'll try again`
`13:57.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`hummm.... Im reconfigure "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and LC_ALL not are setted`
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`13:57.55`	`dbernar1`	`hi, I ripped the OSX install CD using sudo cp /dev/hdc /temp/tiger.iso. However, it is not an ISO, and when I try sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc /temp/tiger.iso, it gives some errors, and exits, any ideas?`
`13:57.59`	`Eulex`	`viyyer, eh? there is a linux version of nero?`
`13:58.00`	`greycat`	`Thanatermesis: logout and back in`
`13:58.02`	`dbernar1`	`It is an install DVD, rather.`
`13:58.21`	`skaught`	`dbernar1, that's not how you copy a disc image btw`
`13:58.37`	`greycat`	`he wants us to help him make a copy of a proprietary commercial copyrighted OS?`
`13:58.41`	`greycat`	`!pal dbernar1`
`13:58.52`	`dbernar1`	`so?`
`13:59.02`	`stew`	`skaught: sure it is`
`13:59.03`	`viyyer`	`Eulex, yes ,, it is`
`13:59.04`	`dbernar1`	`your all legal now, eh?`
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`13:59.09`	`dbernar1`	`!pal greycat`
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`13:59.25`	`greycat`	`why don't you ask #macosx how to make a copy?`
`13:59.36`	`dbernar1`	`I sure will, thank you.`
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`14:00.18`	`skaught`	`stew, using cp?`
`14:00.38`	`stew`	`skaught: cp / dd / cat all work perfectly well`
`14:00.54`	`stew`	`skaught: (provided its not some commercial disk with copy protection)`
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`14:01.09`	`dbernar1`	`well, it sure did work.`
`14:01.11`	`dbernar1`	`so..`
`14:01.31`	`stew`	`dbernar1: call apple`
`14:01.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`LC_ALL not setted`
`14:01.45`	`dbernar1`	`nah, Im tech support myself, there is pride involved,...`
`14:01.49`	`abrotman`	`dbernar1: you're`
`14:01.57`	`skaught`	`dbernar1, Clearly you're asking here for tech support`
`14:02.17`	`dbernar1`	`well, its different, I know I am paid, and I suk at it...so...`
`14:02.35`	`abrotman`	`and your language skills are horrible too ...`
`14:02.50`	`dbernar1`	`whaever, Im not gonna ask, but, thanks for the idea.`
`14:02.52`	`stew`	`dbernar1: so this is for your job that you are being asked to break the law?`
`14:02.58`	`greycat`	`and he's still here asking #debian to help him make a copy of a Mac OS X install DVD.`
`14:03.02`	`greycat`	`unbelievable.`
`14:03.11`	`dbernar1`	`im not sitll here asking.`
`14:03.19`	`dbernar1`	`and Its not for my job.`
`14:03.20`	`wooden`	`hi`
`14:03.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`greycat, not is setted in dpkg-reconfigure locales... what are the archive of this conf? /etc/environment ?`
`14:03.26`	`dbernar1`	`YOu are all still talking about it, I stopped.`
`14:03.37`	`greycat`	`!wikifaq Thanatermesis DotFiles`
`14:03.37`	`dpkg`	`Thanatermesis: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`14:03.41`	`*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ`
`14:03.43`	`*** mode/#debian [+q dbernar1!@] by greycat`
`14:03.46`	`greycat`	`NOW you've stopped.`
`14:03.48`	`*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat`
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`14:04.09`	`Jaak`	`ouch`
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`14:04.26`	`Phated`	`Go go gadget greycat.`
`14:04.29`	`kevin_`	`does anybody know a good howto on iptables?`
`14:04.42`	`greycat`	`kevin_: lartc.org if you want advanced stuff`
`14:04.43`	`RichiH`	`Phated: gadegt_o_ greycat`
`14:04.53`	`Phated`	`RichiH: Eh?`
`14:05.00`	`kevin_`	`is the easy stuf also explained ? ;)`
`14:05.11`	`RichiH`	`Phated: at least in the german version it's go go gadgeto foo`
`14:05.15`	`Phated`	`Ah.`
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`14:05.31`	`greycat`	`RichiH: not in the US version`
`14:05.32`	`stew`	`!fgi kevin_ iptables+howto`
`14:05.33`	`dpkg`	`kevin_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=iptables+howto`
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`14:05.46`	`RichiH`	`greycat: ah, k`
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`14:06.22`	`kevin_`	`dpkg i know how to work with google :p`
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`14:07.28`	`d03boy`	`kevin_, you tell him!`
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`14:09.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`humm...`
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`14:09.36`	`abrotman`	`kevin_: netfilter.org .. ask #iptables`
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`14:11.25`	`dbernar1`	`ok, can I ask a question about that +q greycat?`
`14:11.44`	`wolaopa`	`i am sick of having to type 'su' followed by password. how to write a script to do that?`
`14:11.50`	`greycat`	`wolaopa: use sudo`
`14:12.05`	`wolaopa`	`what's the diff between sudo and su?`
`14:12.14`	`greycat`	`man sudo; man su`
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`14:13.00`	`wolaopa`	`ok, i can do that easily. with sudo, do i not have to login with password?`
`14:13.12`	`greycat`	`what?`
`14:13.15`	`jethro`	`wolaopa: man sudo has the answer`
`14:13.30`	`sour`	`you do, sudo is just one command ran by root, su - you actually log in as that user`
`14:13.51`	`jethro`	`sour: ever heard of sudo -i ?`
`14:13.55`	`sour`	`sudo man su`
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`14:14.06`	`sour`	`jethro not really, but if you want to argue about it, then good luck with it.`
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`14:14.23`	`wolaopa`	`hey, wait a minute, i have no entry for 'man sudo'. a package to install?`
`14:14.29`	`jethro`	`wolaopa: sudo`
`14:14.36`	`jethro`	`wolaopa: apt-get install sudo`
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`14:14.57`	`greycat`	`!installit`
`14:14.57`	`dpkg`	`*** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>.`
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`14:15.03`	`boguh`	`hi, which package do i need to get the man page for the c functions like printf?`
`14:15.13`	`greycat`	`boguh: manpages-dev`
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`14:15.57`	`sdschulze`	`When is Linux 2.6.12 going to join Debian?`
`14:16.03`	`wolaopa`	`i remember something i read earlier. sudo allows one to selectively determine what command to execute. can you show how sudo will not require password login?`
`14:16.08`	`sdschulze`	`seems like it is not even packaged`
`14:16.10`	`greycat`	`you can always build your own custom 2.6 kernel images`
`14:16.15`	`jethro`	`wolaopa: man sudo /NOPASS`
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`14:16.39`	`stew`	`sdschulze: /msg dpkg wir`
`14:16.42`	`wolaopa`	`ok, i'll go install the damn thing first. bye.`
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`14:16.44`	`sciboy`	`Um, i think my kernel might not like me for having GCC 4.0 installed when module-assistant etc. uses it to compile...`
`14:16.46`	`sdschulze`	`greycat: I'm not skilled at packaging.`
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`14:17.16`	`sdschulze`	`stew: But the release is ready.`
`14:17.17`	`stew`	`sdschulze: are you sure you need 2.6.12? /msg dpkg kp`
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`14:17.25`	`stew`	`sdschulze: the kenrel package isn't`
`14:17.29`	`qwertz__`	`I've two debian sarge boxes. On both boxes I've enabled X11Forwarding in sshd_config and ForwardX11 in ssh_config but when I try to start "make xconfig" on the first one it results in "qconf: cannot connect to X server" so do I have enable something else too (remove the nolisten parameter in the X setup)?`
`14:17.44`	`sdschulze`	`stew: I the new SMC2802W V2 driver.`
`14:17.52`	`stew`	`sdschulze: it will be uploaded to unstable in the next couple of days`
`14:17.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`qwertz__: have you installed xauth?`
`14:17.56`	`greycat`	`qwertz__: no, you should NOT remove nolisten if you're using ssh _X`
`14:17.58`	`sdschulze`	`OK`
`14:17.58`	`greycat`	`ssh -X even`
`14:18.09`	`sdschulze`	`I'll try to be patient.`
`14:18.14`	`greycat`	`qwertz__: make sure xbase-clients is installed on both`
`14:18.19`	`sdschulze`	`stew: But it's not even in experimental.`
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`14:19.36`	`jethro`	`sdschulze: get the vanilla kernel from kernel.org and use make-kpkg to buld your kernel-imaga`
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`14:19.42`	`stew`	`sdschulze: since the new udev is completely broken without it, i'm pretty sure that its gonna get uploaded soon`
`14:19.54`	`sciboy`	`Will the next kernel be compiled with GCC 4 or GCC 3.3?`
`14:20.03`	`stew`	`this is when someone chimes in a points out that all udev is broken`
`14:20.04`	`sdschulze`	`jethro: I'm not a kernel hacker...`
`14:20.09`	`dbernar1`	`greycat: anyhow, I thought that was uncalled for, and just a stupid display of your op powers...`
`14:20.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`sciboy: 4 if it can be.`
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`14:20.15`	`jethro`	`sdschulze: you really don't have to be a kernel hacker`
`14:20.25`	`sdschulze`	`I compiled 2.6.11 myself.`
`14:20.39`	`did78`	`i'm currently compiling the 2.6.12 because of the problem with udev`
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`14:20.46`	`jethro`	`sdschulze: so what's so scary with building 2.6.12 using make-kpkg ? it's even easier`
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`14:20.48`	`did78`	`I can put the .deb online if needed`
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`14:21.06`	`Phated`	`You're not likely to have the exact same setup.`
`14:21.09`	`sdschulze`	`jethro: I used make-kpkg, and it was fun.`
`14:21.24`	`Phated`	`sdschulze: What's hard about using it on 2.6.12, then?`
`14:21.26`	`sdschulze`	`The initrd didn't work at first.`
`14:21.31`	`sciboy`	`dondelelcaro: Cool, cause i can't compile any more kernel modules since gcc 4.0 installed itself.`
`14:21.31`	`jethro`	`sdschulze: I don't get you. you mean you had hard time ?`
`14:21.40`	`stew`	`sdschulze: you can copy your 2.6.11 .config ; make oldconfig ; make menuconfig ; make any changes you need, then /msg dpkg kp`
`14:21.41`	`greycat`	`sciboy: just use gcc-3.3`
`14:21.41`	`qwertz__`	`greycat, ok xauth wasn't installed at the first one, installed xbase-clients but connection is still refused (restarted bot ssh-server after config change)`
`14:21.42`	`sdschulze`	`jethro: yes`
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`14:21.51`	`jethro`	`sdschulze: did you /msg dpkg kp ?`
`14:22.00`	`sdschulze`	`I think I will just wait a few days.`
`14:22.15`	`greycat`	`qwertz__: does the DISPLAY variable get set correctly upon ssh -X?`
`14:22.16`	`sdschulze`	`although I detest ndiswrapper`
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`14:22.59`	`dondelelcaro`	`sciboy: sure you can.`
`14:23.06`	`sdschulze`	`NDIS is too stupid for promiscuous mode.`
`14:23.12`	`qwertz__`	`greycat, works now, had to logout of my ssh session so that the next login created a new authority file - thanks for your help!`
`14:23.12`	`sciboy`	`greycat: I tried to get gcc-4.0 to move over, but it appears alot of packages installed depend on it.`
`14:23.17`	`did78`	`no need for the same setup : i've used the .config of the official 2.6.11`
`14:23.19`	`maka`	`quien este ablando aqui es un tonto`
`14:23.24`	`Atula`	`I was wondering: Is there an open source software like Flash? in the same way Open Office is to Microsoft Office?`
`14:23.25`	`greycat`	`sciboy: just use gcc-3.3 IN YOUR MAKEFILES.`
`14:23.27`	`sciboy`	`I've been going around editing Makefiles, but it still doesn't work =/`
`14:23.28`	`cbr`	`the latest udev in sid needs kernel 2.6.12 or later to work.. the latest kernel in sid is 2.6.11..`
`14:23.32`	`cbr`	`:>`
`14:23.33`	`ke6isf`	`!en`
`14:23.33`	`dpkg`	`english, you twit`
`14:23.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`what define exatly the variable LC_ALL ¿?`
`14:23.40`	`greycat`	`cbr: file a bug report`
`14:23.56`	`xoz`	`Atula: forget going to flash sites. they suck`
`14:24.04`	`cbr`	`greycat: nah, they're probably aware of it`
`14:24.08`	`sciboy`	`Who needs udev? =)`
`14:24.10`	`cbr`	`atleast i assume they are`
`14:24.14`	`did78`	`greycat : already done : bug 317720`
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`14:24.17`	`greycat`	`sciboy: gnome users, it seems.`
`14:24.27`	`cbr`	`i use kde`
`14:24.30`	`Atula`	`xoz: I need to develop some flash animation....`
`14:24.42`	`xoz`	`Atula: then you suck`
`14:24.45`	`xoz`	`:)`
`14:24.53`	`sciboy`	`greycat: Dang, i thought i needed it before to setup my wacom automagically, but i ended up writing a small script to do that instead. =)`
`14:24.55`	`sdschulze`	`thanks everyone so far`
`14:25.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`sciboy: by running make CC=gcc-3.3; or similar, depending on the structure of the makefile`
`14:25.04`	`Atula`	`xoz: lol... I don't suck... I bite`
`14:25.11`	`Atula`	`!suck`
`14:25.11`	`dpkg`	`somebody said suck was an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server`
`14:25.25`	`sanxiyn`	`haha`
`14:25.40`	`ke6isf`	`There was just an article about an open flash editor a few weeks ago on Slashdot, I thought.`
`14:25.41`	`sciboy`	`dondelelcaro: Already been doing that.`
`14:25.50`	`sciboy`	`You can search f4l.`
`14:25.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`then what's the problem?`
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`14:26.14`	`greycat`	`dondelelcaro: unfortunately, you normally don't get to pass parameters directly to make like that.`
`14:26.18`	`TNKS`	`TNKS hi all. I keep on forgetting how to tell what kernel patches patch onto (in terms of major and minor rev numbers). I think that for major rev numbers it's simple: patch-2.6.12 will patch onto a 2.6.11 kernel. . . but does patch-2.6.12.2 patch onto a 2.6.12.1 kernel or a 2.6.12 kernel?`
`14:26.20`	`sciboy`	`But your probably going to have better luck just waiting for animated svg's to be fully supported in inkscape.`
`14:26.22`	`Hiruko`	`Lol.. I install the 2.6 kernel and then stuff doesn't work`
`14:26.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`greycat: depends on the makefile`
`14:26.29`	`Hiruko`	`anyway`
`14:26.29`	`greycat`	`dondelelcaro: it's usually buried layers deep in some make-kpkg invocation`
`14:26.32`	`Hiruko`	`:(`
`14:26.33`	`idnar`	`wtf`
`14:26.41`	`idnar`	`I'm getting compile errors in kernel header files`
`14:26.45`	`greycat`	`dondelelcaro: easier to edit the Makefile than try to figure out how to pass arguments through all the layers`
`14:26.50`	`Eulex`	`!doesn't work`
`14:26.51`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`14:27.22`	`Hiruko`	`nm`
`14:27.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`greycat: that's what MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg is for`
`14:27.28`	`Hiruko`	`don't do that >_<`
`14:27.30`	`Hiruko`	`i'll figure it out`
`14:27.31`	`Hiruko`	`somehow`
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`14:27.38`	`stew`	`TNKS: i dunno if anyone knows, seems like it changes, i just try different patches until patch --dry-run goes cleanly`
`14:27.44`	`Eulex`	`TNKS: 2.6.12 afaik`
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`14:28.03`	`sciboy`	`If any wacom users want a makeshift alternative to udev, msg me.`
`14:28.05`	`idnar`	`oh, hang on. I'm still running a 2.4 kernel here, and I just upgraded`
`14:28.15`	`sanxiyn`	`Atula: IIRC, CodeWeaver explicitly supports Flash MX on its CrossOver Office.`
`14:28.37`	`internat`	`ok not sure where this belongs.. if i have a maildir and i move it to a different location and point the smtpd and pop3 and that servers at the new locaiton will that work or does something spefcial need to be odone?`
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`14:28.52`	`sciboy`	`Flash MX is supported, however Flash MX 2004 isn't.`
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`14:29.03`	`sanxiyn`	`Ah, okay.`
`14:29.09`	`usuario__`	`olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa`
`14:29.22`	`Eulex`	`!br`
`14:29.22`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`14:29.25`	`ke6isf`	`internat: It should, just turn off the daemons while you do it or problems will come about.`
`14:29.37`	`stew`	`internat: you should be able to just move it`
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`14:30.01`	`ke6isf`	`internat: Alternatively, just move it and provide a symlink from the old location.`
`14:30.16`	`internat`	`im assuming there is no differents with copy either>?`
`14:30.24`	`TNKS`	`stew, that sounds kind of scary. I'd like to think it's standardized by now.`
`14:30.29`	`idnar`	`is there any way to tell module-assistant what compiler to use?`
`14:30.32`	`ke6isf`	`internat: Safe assumption.`
`14:30.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`what define exatly the variable LC_ALL ¿?`
`14:30.45`	`stew`	`TNKS: it probably is and i just can never remember`
`14:30.49`	`greycat`	`Thanatermesis: man 7 locale`
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`14:31.09`	`sciboy`	`Makeshift alternative to using uDev for handling wacom tablets, http://sciboy.org/downloads/findwacom`
`14:31.17`	`TNKS`	`Eulex, so do you seem to remember unpatching minor rev's (like 2.6.12.1) before patching a new one?`
`14:31.18`	`Eulex`	`idnar, symlink gcc and/or cc to the right one? pass CC=gcc-x.x? etc`
`14:31.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`humm... ok`
`14:31.28`	`sciboy`	`usb wacom tablets...`
`14:31.28`	`yoo`	`Hi all !`
`14:31.33`	`greycat`	`idnar: see what dondelelcaro wrote`
`14:31.34`	`sanxiyn`	`Hm, Wine 20050524 runs dreamweaver mx 2004 perfectly! Awesome. --Joe (from Wine AppDB)`
`14:31.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`any idea for configure LC_ALL ? dpkg-reconfigure locales not works`
`14:31.42`	`Eulex`	`TNKS, never done that`
`14:31.46`	`yoo`	`Anybody know that :`
`14:31.48`	`ke6isf`	`internat: Just note that cp will take whatever's in the spool and that's what gets copied. If you need to relocate it, mv is the answer.`
`14:31.50`	`sanxiyn`	`Perhaps situation got better then.`
`14:31.51`	`greycat`	`Thanatermesis: EXPLAIN HOW IT FAILS.`
`14:31.55`	`yoo`	`Sun Jul 10 18:52:04 2005: find: warning: you have specified the -depth option af`
`14:31.55`	`yoo`	`ter a non-option argument !, but options are not positional (-depth affects test`
`14:31.55`	`yoo`	`s specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify opti`
`14:31.55`	`yoo`	`ons before other arguments.`
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`14:32.04`	`Eulex`	`poor bastard`
`14:32.06`	`jethro`	`yet another sid user :)`
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`14:32.06`	`internat`	`im going to relocate but im still experimenting`
`14:32.07`	`sciboy`	`Woah.`
`14:32.07`	`greycat`	`silly sid users.`
`14:32.09`	`idnar`	`yes but... oh wait, I made a typo. blush`
`14:32.11`	`sanxiyn`	`yoo: I get that too.`
`14:32.12`	`jethro`	`heh`
`14:32.14`	`yoo`	`sorry !`
`14:32.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_ES@euro"`
`14:32.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`LC_ALL=`
`14:32.17`	`sciboy`	`I thought i was kicked from the channel for a second there. XD`
`14:32.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`not is setted`
`14:32.19`	`jethro`	`!btssmite yoo`
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`14:32.19`	`greycat`	`yoo: it's a KNOWN BUG.`
`14:32.25`	`idnar`	`am I the only one that thinks that find warning is stupid?`
`14:32.28`	`greycat`	`yoo: you run sid. you should know how to fix these things.`
`14:32.33`	`ke6isf`	`internat: Work with a single spool then. mv spoolname new-location && ln -s newlocation/spoolname`
`14:32.41`	`greycat`	`idnar: I think find(1)'s syntax is stupid.`
`14:32.44`	`sanxiyn`	`greycat: Is there anything to fix, however?`
`14:32.57`	`internat`	`yeah ok`
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`14:33.07`	`greycat`	`sanxiyn: the boot scripts that produce the warnings could be improved to suppress it.`
`14:33.12`	`idnar`	`true`
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`14:33.18`	`yoo`	`greycat : so it's not a problem important ?`
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`14:33.27`	`greycat`	`yoo: READ THE FUCKING BUG!!`
`14:33.29`	`sanxiyn`	`yoo: Yes.`
`14:33.33`	`yoo`	`just find problem ,`
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`14:33.41`	`Eulex`	`yoo, that problem not important is not`
`14:33.42`	`sanxiyn`	`greycat: Oops, but I couldn't find the bug number. Call me stupid.`
`14:33.44`	`TNKS`	`Eulex, but do you know what I'm driving at? For instance 2.6.11 had a few minor revisions. I think it got up near 11 or more. If each patch referenced the base, it would require unpatching.`
`14:33.47`	`me`	`Can anyone recommend me a text editor linux/X that can edit large files?`
`14:33.49`	`yoo`	`oki`
`14:33.55`	`ke6isf`	`me: emacs`
`14:34.01`	`me`	`Besides emacs`
`14:34.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`greycat, all variables are setted in dpkg-reconfigure locales, LC_ALL not are setted`
`14:34.04`	`idnar`	`ah, here's the problem; this module build process has scripts that invoke gcc directly`
`14:34.14`	`stew`	`vim is better than emacs for large files`
`14:34.16`	`sanxiyn`	`idnar: Not $CC?`
`14:34.18`	`greycat`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:34.26`	`sanxiyn`	`greycat: Thanks.`
`14:34.30`	`greycat`	`stew: s/ for large files//`
`14:34.30`	`me`	`Anything with a nice GUI?`
`14:34.34`	`Jaak`	`gvim`
`14:34.35`	`Jaak`	`^^`
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`14:34.40`	`me`	`I want to be able to scroll quickly`
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`14:34.53`	`me`	`I mean very large files, 10ns of MBs`
`14:34.59`	`idnar`	`sanxiyn: well, it compiles a whole bunch of files with my $CC and then suddenly uses 'gcc' resulting in a compile error (because gcc-4.0 doesn't like the 2.4 headers)`
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`14:35.04`	`greycat`	`ten nanoseconds of megabytes?`
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`14:35.10`	`me`	`Sorry :) 10s`
`14:35.13`	`me`	`tens`
`14:35.18`	`Eulex`	`TNKS, I dunno what you are trying to do, I just answered your question`
`14:35.30`	`ke6isf`	`Was gonna say, ten nanoseconds of megabytes makes no sense.`
`14:35.41`	`internat`	`i keep getting maildir permission denied`
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`14:35.53`	`ke6isf`	`internat: Are you doing this as root?`
`14:36.05`	`Eulex`	`idnar, seems like a bug`
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`14:36.31`	`internat`	`yer`
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`14:36.38`	`Garp`	`Hi.`
`14:36.42`	`internat`	`and then chowning it back to the proper owner`
`14:36.58`	`sanxiyn`	`me: I don't know any. Please tell me if you found one.`
`14:37.16`	`sanxiyn`	`I found vim unsatisfactory for loading really large file.`
`14:37.30`	`me`	`Me too`
`14:37.36`	`Eulex`	`!greet Garp`
`14:37.37`	`dpkg`	`Salutations, Garp`
`14:38.24`	`Garp`	`Question: how should I choose between stable/testing/unstable when installing ? Thanks.`
`14:38.36`	`greycat`	`Garp: choose stable.`
`14:38.41`	`wam`	`Garp: If you have to ask: Use stable.`
`14:38.42`	`Garp`	`OK.. This is not a very good question`
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`14:39.05`	`sanxiyn`	`I don't think there's any question for stable/testing/unstable while installing?`
`14:39.06`	`Garp`	`hum, that's not the answer I would like to read ;)`
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`14:39.20`	`Hiruko`	`oO`
`14:39.26`	`RichiH`	`sanxiyn: you choose by choosing install media, so to speak`
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`14:39.31`	`sanxiyn`	`(In normal mode, that is.)`
`14:39.34`	`withdraw`	`im trying to compile hostap for my wireless ipw2100 and i need to know what my "PCMCIA_PATH" is`
`14:39.35`	`RichiH`	`personally, /me would use testing`
`14:39.42`	`withdraw`	`# hostap_cs.o can be compiled either by copying driver/* into pcmcia-cs root`
`14:39.42`	`sanxiyn`	`In expert mode you can surely choose.`
`14:39.42`	`withdraw`	`# directory and compiling pcmcia-cs package or by configuring PCMCIA_PATH`
`14:39.42`	`withdraw`	`# and using this Makefile.`
`14:39.42`	`withdraw`	`# Leave this blank for kernel-tree PCMCIA compilations (CONFIG_PCMCIA):`
`14:39.42`	`withdraw`	`PCMCIA_PATH=`
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`14:40.00`	`Garp`	`RichiH : That would be my choice too... But I would like more advices.`
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`14:40.08`	`withdraw`	`oops`
`14:40.08`	`wolaopa`	`i have installed sudo. don't quite understand the manual stuff. there is a '/etc/sudoers' file with the entry 'root ALL=(ALL) ALL'. i suppose that says root can execute all commands. say, i want non-root user 'abc' to have same power as root. i add in a line as before with abc in place of root. but when i do 'sudo x' i was asked for password, after some advice. how does it work?`
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`14:40.11`	`Eulex`	`Garp, you can't install testing or unstable. you install stable, and if you want, you upgrade to testing or unstable if you want, though I do not recommend running unstable`
`14:40.20`	`asg`	`Garp: use stable unless you have a compelling reason not to.`
`14:40.21`	`idnar`	`hrm`
`14:40.25`	`sanxiyn`	`Garp: What advice do you want.`
`14:40.28`	`idnar`	`setting HOSTCC seems to fix it`
`14:40.28`	`RichiH`	`Garp: if you are a first-timer, install stable and get used to debian. after some time, upgrade to testing`
`14:40.32`	`jethro`	`wolaopa: doid you man sudo?`
`14:40.36`	`sanxiyn`	`idnar: Oh.`
`14:40.48`	`greycat`	`!sudo`
`14:40.49`	`dpkg`	`[sudo] (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html`
`14:40.49`	`Garp`	`sanxiyn: maybe something like: what are the key questions to ask myself when choosing between those versions.`
`14:40.50`	`greycat`	`Sheesh.`
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`14:40.57`	`withdraw`	`has anyone else installed ipw2100?`
`14:40.57`	`xoz`	`withdraw: are you using module-assistant?`
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`14:40.59`	`Blue9`	`wolaopa: The password is the password for the user.`
`14:41.05`	`wolaopa`	`jethro, as i said, too many stuff there.`
`14:41.06`	`Eulex`	`!anyone`
`14:41.06`	`dpkg`	`**anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I* do.`
`14:41.06`	`greycat`	`Everyone knows that dpkg has better man pages than the man pages.`
`14:41.09`	`stew`	`Garp: what is the machine going to be used for?`
`14:41.18`	`Garp`	`RichiH : I know a bit of debian (I'm not an expert ;).`
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`14:41.38`	`jethro`	`wolaopa: toom any stuff? you must be kidding me... I toldyou /NOPASS like an hour ago, to narrow it down`
`14:41.40`	`did78`	`i have installed ipw2100 successfully`
`14:41.40`	`withdraw`	`xoz, yes`
`14:41.40`	`Garp`	`stew: OK. Endu ser machine.`
`14:41.50`	`user_ruser`	`hey, i have a question, why do base-passwd users need /bin/sh as a shell. and not /bin/false (except sync account)`
`14:41.50`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: Yup, using ipw2100 on my machine =)`
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`14:41.56`	`wam`	`Garp: Keyquestions: 1. Can you live completely without support? 2. Can you fix a broken system? 3. Do you need your Computer for production-use?`
`14:41.56`	`sanxiyn`	`Garp: You ask, "is there any reason not to use stable", repeatedly.`
`14:41.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`no any idea greycat ?`
`14:41.57`	`someloser`	`do i need to setup nat or a firewall if i have all services turned off and just use desktop crap`
`14:41.57`	`wolaopa`	`Blue9, i thought with sudo, no need password. ??`
`14:42.10`	`wers`	`checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1`
`14:42.11`	`Blue9`	`wolaopa: It needs the password of the user the first time :)`
`14:42.12`	`idnar`	`sanxiyn: actually, it doesn't; editing the HOSTCC setting in the Makefile does though :P`
`14:42.16`	`wers`	`what package do i need?`
`14:42.17`	`stew`	`Garp: testing is probably ok but you should understand the security implications of testing and subscribe to debian-security-announce mailing list`
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`14:42.20`	`jethro`	`wolaopa: do you read what you're being told?`
`14:42.23`	`Blue9`	`wolaopa: I assume it's a security thing :)`
`14:42.35`	`greycat`	`wolaopa: /msg dpkg sudo`
`14:42.35`	`wolaopa`	`Blue9, only for the first time?`
`14:42.37`	`Garp`	`When I installed debian for the first time (some time ago) I quicky had to upgrade to unstable, because sofwares were really old, and on my PPC laptop I wouldnt even hve had X without patching...`
`14:42.41`	`Phated`	`You can set sudo to not use a password.`
`14:42.46`	`Blue9`	`wolaopa: The first time you use it in a shell I mean.`
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`14:42.53`	`sanxiyn`	`stew: For desktop, you put some firewall, and security doesn't matter too much.`
`14:42.53`	`jethro`	`Blue9: bullshit`
`14:42.55`	`Garp`	`stew: OK, thanks, I'm already on that list.`
`14:42.55`	`withdraw`	`sciboy, when u compiled hostap-driver did u have to specify the PCMCIA_PATH=`
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`14:43.05`	`Blue9`	`jethro: Seemed to be that way when I used it last.`
`14:43.06`	`me`	`Garp: if you want a debian based distro, which is up to date, try ubuntu`
`14:43.07`	`Garp`	`sanxiyn : I only open ssh.`
`14:43.10`	`Eulex`	`wers, you are either running sid or have added apt repos that are incompatible with the debian ones`
`14:43.12`	`asg`	`Phated: better yet, set it to insult you if you type your password incorrectly.`
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`14:43.16`	`me`	`Its really easy to set up, and works very nice`
`14:43.17`	`user_ruser`	`hey, i have a question, why do base-passwd users need /bin/sh as a shell. and not /bin/false (except sync account) i changed the shells. but now base-passwd with update want's to change the shell back. is it neccessary?`
`14:43.18`	`Eulex`	`!u`
`14:43.19`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`14:43.19`	`Blue9`	`jethro: I might be wrong, but I'm going from memory here.`
`14:43.20`	`stew`	`sanxiyn: so long as you control all the machines and users on that network...`
`14:43.22`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: I didn't need the hostap driver.`
`14:43.26`	`wolaopa`	`Blue9, i am using it in a shell, so what you said applies. thks.`
`14:43.27`	`greycat`	`asg: that's the default on openbsd. debian disabled it.`
`14:43.27`	`wers`	`Eulex.. ok.. thnx`
`14:43.28`	`did78`	`withdraw : what version of ipw2100 do you use ? It does not use hostap-driver since a lot of time`
`14:43.35`	`asg`	`greycat: yeah, sad that.`
`14:43.37`	`Blue9`	`wolaopa: n/p, happy to help.`
`14:43.39`	`Garp`	`me: that's also a solution, yes.`
`14:43.51`	`jethro`	`Blue9: it defaults, on debian, to asking your password, but you can use some configuration options so that no password is asked.`
`14:43.51`	`asg`	`greycat: it's the default on my custom boot/install live cd however ;)`
`14:43.57`	`withdraw`	`did78, sciboy, i think im using an old guide`
`14:44.06`	`Blue9`	`jethro: I didn't say it didn't do that.`
`14:44.07`	`withdraw`	`http://jrblevin.freeshell.org/linux/ipw2100/`
`14:44.22`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: i just did, "module-assistant auto-install ipw2100"`
`14:44.37`	`sanxiyn`	`sciboy: cool`
`14:44.39`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: and downloaded the firmware it specified.`
`14:44.45`	`jethro`	`16:42:10 Blue9 \| wolaopa: It needs the password of the user the first time :)`
`14:44.53`	`withdraw`	`yeah i did that`
`14:45.01`	`Blue9`	`jethro: which it does, if you don't tell it not to ask for passwords.`
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`14:45.11`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: Okey, i slapped together a script to handle my wacom problem =)`
`14:45.12`	`withdraw`	`and i copyed it to my hot swap i think dir`
`14:45.21`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: Cool :)`
`14:45.26`	`jethro`	`no need to argue..`
`14:45.33`	`wolaopa`	`jethro, with or without /NOPASS, it is the same output from man.`
`14:45.36`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: http://www.sciboy.org/downloads/findwacom`
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`14:45.45`	`wers`	`how do i see if the kernel recognised my bluetooth usb dongle?`
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`14:45.52`	`Garp`	`Am I right to think that life under unstable is going to become quite hard from now on ? I've been using it for about 2 years without any problems I couldnt solve. But with the release of Sarge, it seems that I should go back to testing if I dont want too many problems. (is that right?)`
`14:45.52`	`Blue9`	`jethro seems very angry.`
`14:45.59`	`Eulex`	`wers, dmesg`
`14:46.09`	`wers`	`Eulex... checked that...`
`14:46.11`	`Blue9`	`Nice one sciboy :)`
`14:46.16`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: Looks sweet.`
`14:46.26`	`withdraw`	`when i did module-assistant auto-install ipw2100 it says i have the wrong entry in my sources.list`
`14:46.28`	`me`	`sanxiyn: you wanted to know if I found something, I'd first tell you that xemacs does a nice job at loading large files, at least this 12 MB file loads quick, and is fast to scroll through, but I don't really like xemacs, which is why I asked about another one :)`
`14:46.33`	`greycat`	`Garp: things will settle down in a while`
`14:46.41`	`Eulex`	`Garp, development of unstable is once again going fast forward`
`14:46.52`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: It's stupidly simple, but i'm sure a few people will find it useful =)`
`14:46.55`	`someloser`	`is there a point in running a ipmasq if im not sharing a conn?`
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`14:47.07`	`greycat`	`someloser: probably not`
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`14:47.22`	`withdraw`	`sciboy, can u msg me ur sources.list`
`14:47.27`	`newdebus1`	`Does anyone know how to tell modconf to ignore a warning about a driver being compiled against a different kernel version?`
`14:47.27`	`wam`	`wtf is ipmasq?!`
`14:47.33`	`withdraw`	`it says i dont have the riht entry`
`14:47.39`	`greycat`	`!info ipmasq`
`14:47.42`	`dpkg`	`ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 588 kB`
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`14:47.51`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: Mind if I keep hold of it, I know a few arty types, this might be useful for them.`
`14:47.55`	`Eulex`	`withdraw, what is the exact error? and use apt-setup to reconfigure it`
`14:47.57`	`someloser`	`greycat: what about netfilter/iptables?`
`14:48.06`	`Ungy`	`how can I get a file count on a folder?`
`14:48.08`	`Garp`	`greycat: anyway, I tested the downgrade on my laptop (just rebooted) and it seems to work for now, will do that on my home PC too.`
`14:48.10`	`greycat`	`iptables is the command you use to do it by hand if you don't use the ipmasq package`
`14:48.10`	`someloser`	`if i don't have any ports open (other than x serv)`
`14:48.13`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: Sure go ahead, its hosted on my site for a reason =)`
`14:48.31`	`withdraw`	`whats ur site?`
`14:48.35`	`greycat`	`!UR`
`14:48.35`	`dpkg`	`Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old`
`14:48.48`	`someloser`	`oh. i thought ipmasq was forwarding and tables was packet filtering`
`14:48.52`	`someloser`	`but im an idiot`
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`14:49.06`	`me`	`!idiot`
`14:49.06`	`dpkg`	`I know you are, but what am I?, or someone who tries to use a Ubuntu package on Debian and calls it a dpkg issue when dependencies dont resolve`
`14:49.30`	`someloser`	`is ubuntu\that other one gaining steam?`
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`14:49.47`	`sanxiyn`	`someloser: ?`
`14:49.57`	`Eulex`	`!rtfm someloser`
`14:50.08`	`withdraw`	`sciboy, what is your site`
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`14:50.12`	`someloser`	`i don't keep up to date with anything`
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`14:50.42`	`someloser`	`anyway thx`
`14:50.48`	`someloser`	`time for one more bong then off to be`
`14:50.50`	`someloser`	`i love you all`
`14:50.50`	`Eulex`	`!thx`
`14:50.51`	`dpkg`	`THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George`
`14:51.05`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: http://www.sciboy.org - But i'm still to upload a layout.`
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`14:51.17`	`sanxiyn`	`!aolify someloser`
`14:51.23`	`greycat`	`sanxiyn: too late.`
`14:51.28`	`sanxiyn`	`oops`
`14:51.31`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: http://www.sciboy.org/downloads/findwacom - Is the script i slapped together to handle my wacom/udev problem.`
`14:51.34`	`Omahn`	`Anybody aware of any issues installing Sarge on to 400Gb SATA disks? My install hangs at the formatting stage.. :(`
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`14:51.58`	`Omahn`	`(using 2.6 kernel)`
`14:52.02`	`Eulex`	`Omahn, formatting can be very slow and take a lot of time -- btw, does it hang at 38%?`
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`14:52.21`	`me`	`!help`
`14:52.25`	`Omahn`	`Eulex: 33%, and the partition is under a gig in size on the first 400Gb disk.`
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`14:52.31`	`space_cow_boy`	`I installed quota, but quota says it doesn't support ext2 :( I am running Sarge. How do I fix quota?`
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`14:52.39`	`withdraw`	`heres the error that m-a gives me`
`14:52.50`	`withdraw`	`Maybe you need to add something to ? sources.list, ? maybe the contrib and non-free archives.`
`14:52.57`	`Hiruko`	`is it possible to reload gdm or do i have to restart?`
`14:53.05`	`sanxiyn`	`withdraw: Do so.`
`14:53.09`	`greycat`	`withdraw: man sources.list`
`14:53.12`	`withdraw`	`Installation of the ipw2100-source source failed. #`
`14:53.12`	`withdraw`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:53.18`	`greycat`	`Hiruko: /etc/init.d/gdm reload`
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`14:53.26`	`greycat`	`Hiruko: if that doesn't work, then...`
`14:53.31`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: well, first you gotta find out why it failed =)`
`14:53.44`	`Hiruko`	`thx ^_^`
`14:53.48`	`sciboy`	`withdraw: Are you using unstable?`
`14:53.55`	`Hiruko`	`Trying to get xserver to work`
`14:53.59`	`Eulex`	`Omahn, does it really lock up or can you switch to another tty`
`14:54.01`	`Eulex`	`!thx`
`14:54.02`	`dpkg`	`THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George`
`14:54.06`	`withdraw`	`sciboy, no, stable`
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`14:54.16`	`sanxiyn`	`withdraw: ipw2100-source is contrib. Add contrib to your sources.list!`
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`14:54.23`	`greycat`	`Hiruko: why the hell are you running gdm if your X server isn't working yet?`
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`14:54.28`	`Omahn`	`Eulex: my mistake :) - it doesn't lock up, I can switch between terminals`
`14:54.29`	`thoron`	`Eulex, so you are a language police? =)`
`14:54.29`	`withdraw`	`thanks`
`14:54.38`	`greycat`	`Hiruko: stop gdm, fix X, test it with startx, then start gdm if you still want i!`
`14:54.38`	`Hiruko`	`Um I'm using that to test the video`
`14:54.41`	`greycat`	`it*`
`14:54.42`	`Hiruko`	`It loads up half way`
`14:54.46`	`Omahn`	`Eulex: It's just the formatting process that hangs, tried ext3 and reiser.`
`14:54.48`	`Hiruko`	`ack`
`14:54.57`	`Hiruko`	`i mean half the screen shows, then goes black and then to the console`
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`14:55.04`	`user_ruser`	`hey, i have a question, why do base-passwd users need /bin/sh as a shell. and not /bin/false (except sync account) i changed the shells. but now base-passwd with update want's to change the shell back. is it neccessary?`
`14:55.09`	`greycat`	`so fucking DON'T RUN GDM YET!`
`14:55.10`	`Hiruko`	`this is with the 2.6 kernel, it all worked fine with 2.4`
`14:55.14`	`Hiruko`	`um`
`14:55.15`	`greycat`	`!worked in 2.4`
`14:55.16`	`dpkg`	`Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat.`
`14:55.17`	`Hiruko`	`it runs on it's own`
`14:55.18`	`Hiruko`	`its`
`14:55.37`	`Hiruko`	`>_<`
`14:56.08`	`Hiruko`	`You want me to tell exactly what's happening yet you get pissed off when i tell you`
`14:56.08`	`me`	`sanxiyn: nedit does a good job`
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`14:56.24`	`stew`	`Hiruko: did you read the x logs? i'm guessing /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse`
`14:56.25`	`sanxiyn`	`me: I don't want to deal with Motif.`
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`14:56.56`	`Hiruko`	`erm they're huge`
`14:57.02`	`Hiruko`	`I wouldn't know what to look for`
`14:57.09`	`stew`	`Hiruko: look for lines starting with EE`
`14:57.09`	`me`	`sanxiyn: Well I'm satisfied, so I guess you'll have to look on your own then :)`
`14:57.11`	`Eulex`	`Hiruko, you're just interested in errors`
`14:57.16`	`Hiruko`	`ok`
`14:57.25`	`rosemary`	`I was thinking of installing debian, and after reading the webspage which say there is good support, I ordered it. Now I see bullying of newbies here, which scares me`
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`14:57.33`	`sciboy`	`Blue9: Uh, whoops, i seem to have directed my last message intended for you at withdraw. I repeat : Sure go ahead, its hosted on my site for a reason =)`
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`14:57.48`	`sanxiyn`	`rosemary: Don't panic!`
`14:57.48`	`Blue9`	`sciboy: Thanks :)`
`14:57.53`	`me`	`What's it between you and motif if I may ask?`
`14:57.55`	`Ronin`	`rosemary: no one says you have to use irc for support if you don't like it, theres tons of other resources too`
`14:57.57`	`nksen`	`rosemary: there is as good support as in any other linux distro. it's mostly just kernel dependant`
`14:58.04`	`shingouz`	`rosemary: not bullying noobs. we are nice most of the time`
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`14:58.13`	`greycat`	`rosemary: we only bully the newbies who are trying to run unstable or who aren't reading the documentation we tell them to read`
`14:58.14`	`Hiruko`	`there are a few errors about my mouse`
`14:58.24`	`Hiruko`	`but i don't know if that would cause display problems`
`14:58.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`hey, no scaring new users without me`
`14:58.40`	`FieldySnuts`	`~hug rosemary`
`14:58.40`	`apt`	`ACTION hugs rosemary`
`14:58.41`	`Hiruko`	`or`
`14:58.44`	`stew`	`Hiruko: it would, like i said, /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse`
`14:58.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`oops caught in the act`
`14:58.48`	`Hiruko`	`oh okay`
`14:58.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`Phated: hi`
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`14:59.02`	`Phated`	`FieldySnuts: Let's scare them. ;)`
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`14:59.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`nah`
`14:59.11`	`FieldySnuts`	`bbl`
`14:59.14`	`Phated`	`:(`
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`14:59.23`	`rosemary`	`well I am certainly thinking again - I find the documentation overwhelming, and nedd step by step - different learning styles`
`14:59.26`	`Eulex`	`!boo`
`14:59.36`	`greycat`	`rosemary: a lot of the documentation sucks.`
`14:59.49`	`greycat`	`rosemary: if you just pop the sarge CD in and read the screen, you'll do better.`
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`14:59.58`	`Blue9`	`rosemary: The best thing to do, is try the documentation, and if it sucks too much, come in here and ask.`
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`15:00.23`	`rosemary`	`Blue9: okay I will - CDs haven't arrived yet`
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`15:00.29`	`lehel`	`hello`
`15:00.42`	`Blue9`	`rosemary: Fair enough. Debian is dead easy when you get into the swing of things.`
`15:00.43`	`lehel`	`why is my menu.lst missing ?`
`15:00.43`	`Ronin`	`rosemary: you can dl them you know? they have an excellent netinstall one`
`15:00.46`	`rosemary`	`greycat - oaky I'll do that`
`15:01.00`	`Blue9`	`Debian Devloper board game?`
`15:01.06`	`lehel`	`i do grub-install /dev/hda`
`15:01.07`	`Blue9`	`*developer`
`15:01.11`	`rosemary`	`Ronin: 56k dial up, so CDs better`
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`15:01.22`	`sanxiyn`	`Blue9: http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/49-Announcing-the-Debian-Developer-Board-Game.html`
`15:01.23`	`me`	`!sex`
`15:01.24`	`dpkg`	`updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep`
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`15:01.25`	`Ronin`	`rosemary: ya that would be painful too do on dialup`
`15:01.27`	`greycat`	`lehel: you didn't finish reading /usr/share/doc/grub/*`
`15:01.46`	`rosemary`	`Ronin: yes indeed`
`15:01.55`	`greycat`	`lehel: specifically README.Debian.gz`
`15:02.02`	`Blue9`	`sanxiyn: Thanks.`
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`15:02.21`	`xpato`	`hi`
`15:02.26`	`sanxiyn`	`Blue9: Rulebook here: http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/50-Debian-Boardgame-Rules-available.html`
`15:02.38`	`sanxiyn`	`Blue9: You can be a cabal too! :-)`
`15:02.40`	`xpato`	`anyone knows an streaming web presentation apps?`
`15:02.46`	`bor`	`hola guape`
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`15:02.51`	`rosemary`	`seems as though dpkg is haing a command orgasm`
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`15:03.10`	`stew`	`!orgasm`
`15:03.11`	`dpkg`	`YES YES YES`
`15:03.30`	`lehel`	`update-grub. ... ok`
`15:03.39`	`lehel`	`thnks greycat`
`15:04.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh.`
`15:04.13`	`greycat`	`just don't forget to put "hdc=ide-scsi" in there and rerun update-grub if you need to do that.`
`15:04.17`	`rosemary`	`3.1 is the stable version isn't it?`
`15:04.21`	`greycat`	`rosemary: yes`
`15:04.23`	`Blue9`	`rosemary: yes`
`15:04.35`	`sanxiyn`	`rosemary: aka Sarge.`
`15:04.37`	`rosemary`	`good - got that bit right at least`
`15:04.46`	`Ungy`	`what is the command to get a count of files in a folder`
`15:04.57`	`sanxiyn`	`Ungy: ls \| wc`
`15:05.07`	`greycat`	`there is no "the command". there are several ways.`
`15:05.08`	`Ungy`	`thanks`
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`15:05.51`	`rosemary`	`the PC I have for debian has only a 5 Gb HD - thinking of upgrading it - what is the minimum?`
`15:06.13`	`caphuso`	`200 MiB and you're on the safe side`
`15:06.14`	`Ungy`	`rosemary minimum? what you using debian for?`
`15:06.16`	`rosemary`	`I know I read it will run on that, but I don't want to be constricted`
`15:06.18`	`wam`	`rosemary: debian runs perfectly on 5GB.`
`15:06.23`	`stew`	`rosemary: 450 megs is the minimum`
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`15:07.02`	`Garp`	`rosemary: depends of your own use. With 5Gb you can have most of debian, but there wont be many Gb for your own user files.`
`15:07.10`	`greycat`	`Garp: baloney.`
`15:07.12`	`sanxiyn`	`rosemary: Reasonable desktop fits in less than 2 G.`
`15:07.13`	`rosemary`	`I simply want to check it out - using mandriva as running distro - want to look at alternatives before comiiting`
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`15:07.22`	`Blue9`	`rosemary: I'd get another hard-drive, and install /usr and /home on it :)`
`15:07.27`	`greycat`	`a reasonable desktop system fits in WAY less than 2 GB.`
`15:07.27`	`Blue9`	`s/install/mount/`
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`15:07.44`	`sanxiyn`	`Okay, maybe way less than 2G.`
`15:07.53`	`Eulex`	`a reasonable desktop system can fit in 800mb`
`15:07.57`	`SDFH_Linux`	`is it me does gcc4 make debian faster?`
`15:08.07`	`withdraw`	`sciboy, error`
`15:08.08`	`caphuso`	`SDFH_Linux: it's you`
`15:08.09`	`withdraw`	make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/ipw2100'
`15:08.09`	`withdraw`	make[2]: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop.
`15:08.09`	`withdraw`	make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/ipw2100'
`15:08.09`	`withdraw`	`make[1]: [clean] Error 2 (ignored)`
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`15:08.11`	`greycat`	`SDFH_Linux: benchmark it and report back with the results`
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`15:08.19`	`Blue9`	`Look at Morphix, a reasonable desktop can fit onto 650/700Mb`
`15:08.20`	`Blue9`	`:)`
`15:08.21`	`withdraw`	`crap`
`15:08.25`	`Ungy`	`I got a desktop running with defaults and it is way less then 2GB`
`15:08.26`	`mike-m`	`mouarf`
`15:08.29`	`Eulex`	`!tell withdraw about paster`
`15:08.38`	`user_ruser`	`hey, i have a question, why do base-passwd users need /bin/sh as a shell. and not /bin/false (except sync account) i changed the shells. but now base-passwd with update want's to change the shell back. is it neccessary?`
`15:08.42`	`rosemary`	`hmm - debate and dissension - what I have is adequate for a good check of wwhether I like the distro or not`
`15:08.44`	`Garp`	`greycat : it all depends of you own use.`
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`15:08.50`	`SDFH_Linux`	`anyone having trouble with giam missing a file?`
`15:08.57`	`SDFH_Linux`	`gaim*`
`15:09.00`	`Eulex`	`!tell user_ruser about repeat`
`15:09.15`	`greycat`	`user_ruser: it shouldn't matter.`
`15:09.17`	`stew`	`user_ruser: edit /etc/adduser.conf`
`15:09.29`	`Garp`	`greycat : OOo with i18n takes several hundreds of Mb for its own. add TeX, kde, gnome (with internationalisation) and you're up to a few Gb...`
`15:09.41`	`greycat`	`stew: what does that have to do with base-passwd?`
`15:09.52`	`rosemary`	`Blue9: there's certainly really cheap 2 & 3 Gb HD out there`
`15:09.55`	`sanxiyn`	`Garp: Well, TeX is not really typical Desktop installation.`
`15:09.56`	`stew`	`actually probably nothing`
`15:10.04`	`Blue9`	`Garp: You don't /need/ OOo though, do you?`
`15:10.05`	`Garp`	`sanxiyn: on my desktop it is.`
`15:10.10`	`greycat`	`Garp: I don't consider any of those items "reasonable" ;-)`
`15:10.11`	`sanxiyn`	`Garp: Same here, but still.`
`15:10.14`	`user_ruser`	`Eulex i think the question is self explanatory from security point of view. and does not require explanatiaon. atlest form my point of view. i might be wrong tho.`
`15:10.15`	`Garp`	`Blue9: I do need it.`
`15:10.23`	`Phated`	`You don't need KDE -and- Gnome.`
`15:10.24`	`sciboy`	`I use XFCE 2.4 for my window manager =)`
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`15:10.31`	`paster`	`"Withdraw" at 64.81.234.168 pasted "ipw2100-sourcebuildlog" (69 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/333`
`15:10.37`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: security? there's no security in the changing the shell`
`15:10.39`	`Garp`	`greycat: well, somehow I agree, but most users (including me) will want it...`
`15:10.42`	`user_ruser`	`greycat i do not see why bas-passwd users would need a shell`
`15:10.47`	`greycat`	`withdraw: #ipw2100 exists and has 38 users.`
`15:10.52`	`Eulex`	`user_ruser, that has nothing to do with what I told you`
`15:10.53`	`greycat`	`withdraw: they might be better equipped to help`
`15:10.55`	`Garp`	`Phated: If my wife prefer KDE...`
`15:10.58`	`user_ruser`	`caphuso base-passwd users having a shell?`
`15:11.01`	`withdraw`	`ok thanks`
`15:11.09`	`Phated`	`Garp: Get her own computer.`
`15:11.11`	`rosemary`	`Blue9: could pick up a drive 4 or 5 Gb for next to nothing`
`15:11.17`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: all you've changed is that now you need to use "su -s /bin/sh <useryouchangedtheshellof>" instead of "su <useryouchangedtheshellof>"`
`15:11.21`	`Blue9`	`rosemary: true.`
`15:11.28`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: and that's not security`
`15:11.29`	`Garp`	`Phated: hum, a few Gb HD is far cheaper, then ;)`
`15:11.33`	`greycat`	`anyway, the point is that 5 GB is plenty for a typical debian installation.`
`15:11.40`	`shingouz`	`rosemary: debian is a bit on the rough side when it comes to blingbling but it is very easy to work with. and even if this channel can be a little abrupt, most of the people here really do know what debian is and how to make it work`
`15:11.41`	`Garp`	`greycat: right.`
`15:11.41`	`Phated`	`Indeed.`
`15:11.41`	`sciboy`	`I use a 60gig drive and keep a 200gig external.`
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`15:12.01`	`sanxiyn`	`Java 140 M, OOo ~200M (with ko l10n), TeX with full Korean fonts >250M.`
`15:12.08`	`rosemary`	`shingouz: okay thanks for that`
`15:12.10`	`withdraw`	`mkay`
`15:12.18`	`greycat`	`sanxiyn: oh yeah, everyone needs tex with korean fonts.`
`15:12.19`	`user_ruser`	`caphuso why would user called nobody or bin (etc..) would Neeed shell ,and why would i need to SU to do sopething with them?`
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`15:12.28`	`sanxiyn`	`greycat: Well, I do. :-)`
`15:12.31`	`Garp`	`rosemary: I woudl suggest you to start with this 5Gb. If you can get a free 5Gb DD, put /home on it and you'll be fine (but again, all depends of your use)`
`15:12.37`	`sdschulze`	`sanxiyn: FlightGear?`
`15:12.40`	`user_ruser`	`stew thanks for the asnwer but i do not think you read my question`
`15:12.49`	`sour`	`screw what everyone else says, do everything under root`
`15:12.50`	`greycat`	`Phated: is that you dying on NAO?`
`15:12.55`	`rosemary`	`my main box is 40Gb - mandriva and winXP. Yes I know win, but need for scanner and Family Tree`
`15:12.57`	`tarzeau`	`http://telesto.lug-ag.ch/~gurkan/debian/supertux/`
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`15:13.01`	`Phated`	`greycat: Wot?`
`15:13.07`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: because you want to mess with whatever data that user owns without having to worry about needing to chown afterwards, for example`
`15:13.08`	`sanxiyn`	`Still, 5G is enough.`
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`15:13.30`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: and why should they not have a shell? it makes no difference`
`15:13.46`	`greycat`	`Phated: never mind. someone named "fated".`
`15:13.51`	`crashbg`	`why even after i type ALL: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny and ampty hosts.allow i can still ssh to the machine?`
`15:13.51`	`rosemary`	`Garp - I agree - for a trial run I'll just stick with what I have. If I decided it was the distro for me I'd put it on my main box`
`15:13.52`	`user_ruser`	`caphuso why would i mess with a user say... tty or bin?`
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`15:13.56`	`sdschulze`	`sanxiyn: for most people, yes`
`15:14.01`	`Phated`	`greycat: Bleh. Wot's NAO?`
`15:14.15`	`greycat`	`Phated: nethack.alt.org`
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`15:14.24`	`Phated`	`Ah. Yes.`
`15:14.28`	`CoBoLt`	`Oi`
`15:14.32`	`Garp`	`rosemary: but if a 5Gb disk, then I suppose also not much ram and small CPU ?`
`15:14.33`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: why wouldn't you?`
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`15:14.46`	`tarzeau`	`crashbg: PEBKAC ?`
`15:14.50`	`CoBoLt`	`can anyone explain met the install bootstrap of a debian (I mean what happens behind the screen ;) )`
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`15:14.58`	`tarzeau`	`crashbg: can you make up your mind what you want? and paste your both hosts.* files?`
`15:14.59`	`user_ruser`	`caphuso give me a reaons to touch dev files owned by user tty?`
`15:15.08`	`Garp`	`Garp: CPU usually doesnt matter much (not for mozilla unfortunatly;) but RAM does a lot.`
`15:15.10`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: because you have to`
`15:15.23`	`rosemary`	`Garp by todays standards yes - P III, 500 Mhz, 256 RAM, but pretty good for a toy`
`15:15.25`	`Garp`	`(hum, I spoke to myself that was for rosemary)`
`15:15.36`	`Garp`	`rosemary: OK, that's fine, yes.`
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`15:15.42`	`user_ruser`	`caphuso HAVE to?`
`15:15.53`	`greycat`	`rosemary: perfectly good desktop box.`
`15:15.55`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: well, you certainly wouldn't do it just for the fun of it`
`15:16.32`	`rosemary`	`greycat: and Garp I do notice it a wee bit slower, but no big deal when it was given to me`
`15:16.34`	`Eulex`	`Garp, 64 mb ram is absolute minimum to run X and have it to something useful, 256 mb is recommended`
`15:16.41`	`crashbg`	`tarzeau, as i said, HOSTS.ALLOW is empty and in HOSTS.DENY has ALL:ALL in it what should deny all services from all locations`
`15:16.48`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: and now you explain why you want to mess with those perfectly well working accounts at all`
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`15:17.03`	`Garp`	`Eulex: again, depned of the usage, but I would agree for my own use;)`
`15:17.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`crashbg: only to apps that have tcp wrappers support`
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`15:17.37`	`tarzeau`	`crashbg: can you just try sshd: ALL ?`
`15:17.46`	`tarzeau`	`crashbg: is that openssh built by debian? or gnu sshd?`
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`15:18.01`	`crashbg`	`its open ssh`
`15:18.18`	`StFS`	`Hello. Anyone have experience with upgrading a Woody to a Sarge? Any pitfalls or things to keep in mind? Is it just as simple as changing sources.list?`
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`15:18.26`	`rosemary`	`I have a third PC which it was suggested I use Ipcop to set up a hardware firewall. Now I am not sure if debian can do the same. I think I am doing that now with mandriva on PC #!`
`15:18.29`	`Garp`	`rosemary: I changed my K6-II/450 at the begining of the yea. There were hardware problems, but it was also a bit slow with mozilla-mail (when more than a fetw thousands email in the mailbox).`
`15:18.32`	`user_ruser`	`caphuso i didn't see a good explanation to why would you touch theri files. however to me I'd rather have daemons, etc. run from their own user. with no shell access, give me a good reason why whould they need shell access? to me it does not make sence`
`15:18.45`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: they don't have shell access`
`15:18.45`	`Eulex`	`!tell StFS about woody->sarge`
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`15:18.48`	`crashbg`	`ok i will search for openssh and permirring access i thought it should work with hosts.* files :)`
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`15:19.06`	`caphuso`	`user_ruser: the only way to get a shell with those users is to run su as root`
`15:19.35`	`Blue9`	`Wow, the bots do know everything`
`15:19.36`	`rosemary`	`Garp Iguess that is also a reason I was looking at debian - it's stability, and also recognition of hardware`
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`15:20.17`	`xoz`	`Blue9: like what is life?`
`15:20.30`	`greycat`	`!life`
`15:20.30`	`dpkg`	`Life? Don't talk to me about life.`
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`15:20.37`	`rosemary`	`Garp have you tried Thunderbird for email`
`15:20.39`	`Blue9`	`See!`
`15:20.52`	`Blue9`	`!42 ?`
`15:20.52`	`dpkg`	`hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or not the meaning of life`
`15:21.00`	`Blue9`	`Awesome`
`15:21.19`	`jair`	`guys I have a one touch II maxtor exyernal HD, if I configure it as a Ext2 format of Linux I will be able of use it for windows machines as well?`
`15:21.20`	`Eulex`	`!what is life?`
`15:21.22`	`dpkg`	`Eulex: what are you talking about?`
`15:21.29`	`Blue9`	`!meaning of life`
`15:21.30`	`dpkg`	`THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, blue9, or 42`
`15:21.34`	`Blue9`	`Hehe :)`
`15:21.50`	`daisuke`	`so anyone recommend any tools for reovering a dirty software raid 5 array? :>`
`15:21.50`	`greycat`	`please use /msg to ask the bot silly questions`
`15:21.54`	`Hiruko`	`thank you stew, that solution worked :)`
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`15:22.08`	`rosemary`	`the meaning of life + a mathematical equation`
`15:22.10`	`Garp`	`rosemary: I'm using it now, at that time I was still using mozilla-mail.`
`15:22.26`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: Not by default. There are ext2 browsers for Windows though.`
`15:22.30`	`Blue9`	`greycat: Sorry.`
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`15:22.35`	`rosemary`	`Garp: do you like tbird`
`15:22.37`	`user_ruser`	`brb`
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`15:22.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`!lart applications which output helpt text on STDERR`
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`15:23.01`	`xoz`	`!secret of life`
`15:23.01`	`dpkg`	`your asking me? the mindless automaton?`
`15:23.09`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, ohh I though that ext3 was readable for linux and windows by default ;)`
`15:23.09`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: Like http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm`
`15:23.10`	`Garp`	`rosemary: it's big, it cannot run in text mode, but it's quite conveniant and has a nice off-line feature.`
`15:23.14`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: No.`
`15:23.18`	`greycat`	`jesus.`
`15:23.19`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: what are you?`
`15:23.19`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`15:23.29`	`greycat`	`dpkg, secret of life =~ s/your asking/you're asking/`
`15:23.29`	`dpkg`	`greycat: OK`
`15:23.34`	`green_earz`	`rosemary: in kde check out the kmail client. here is a link for An apt-get primer > http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130`
`15:23.41`	`rosemary`	`Garp I'm a new linuxer so need gui for day to day apps`
`15:23.59`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, now if I have a 300GB hard drive I can format it as fat right because NTFS will be a problem to mount on linux.`
`15:24.01`	`Phated`	`And that's how you never becomd an old linuxer. :)`
`15:24.01`	`greycat`	`rosemary: kde is pretty good for newbies`
`15:24.10`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: Correct.`
`15:24.13`	`rosemary`	`green_earz: I tried kamil and couldn't wait to get back to Tbird`
`15:24.20`	`rosemary`	`kmail`
`15:24.32`	`greycat`	`so use kde and tbird`
`15:24.42`	`greycat`	`or fvwm and tbird, or whatever you like`
`15:24.49`	`rosemary`	`greycat: yep it is and I use it for losts of things, but not kmail`
`15:24.50`	`xoz`	`rosemary: sylpheed`
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`15:25.17`	`green_earz`	`rosemary: and bookmark > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html`
`15:25.22`	`sanxiyn`	`Also, you may want to get some theme for *Birds from kde-look.org`
`15:25.25`	`rosemary`	`xoz: yep tried that too and is a good client, but I like Tbird`
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`15:26.35`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, now could I use cfdisk to format the hd in fat?`
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`15:27.17`	`mogorman`	`hi`
`15:27.19`	`rosemary`	`green_earz: bookmarked`
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`15:27.32`	`mogorman`	`can someone tell me what debian package has the program xftcache`
`15:27.52`	`asg`	`mogorman: /msg dpkg search`
`15:28.08`	`mogorman`	`i did`
`15:28.12`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, because I really want to have compatibility between both systems and this will be a back up hd which will be very good for eaither Linux or Windows.`
`15:28.19`	`mogorman`	`it didnt show up, has it been phased out`
`15:28.30`	`Eulex`	`mogorman, use apt-file or dlocate`
`15:28.34`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, or I should use the management utility of windows??`
`15:29.05`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: Dunno. Others in this channel may answer...`
`15:29.14`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, I will do a test`
`15:29.23`	`jair`	`ane then we will know`
`15:29.25`	`Eulex`	`mogorman, yes, seems like that -- I can just find a manpage in japanese :)`
`15:29.25`	`jair`	`;)`
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`15:30.03`	`mogorman`	`yeah it was for x back before xorg or 4.3`
`15:30.05`	`mogorman`	`i think its gone`
`15:30.21`	`mogorman`	`but just want to be sure/ find out how to do it without it`
`15:30.23`	`crashbg`	`hmm about the ssh problem - dpkg -l \| grep ssh says ii ssh 3.8.1p1-8.sarg Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) but there is another package called openssh-server`
`15:30.23`	`Eulex`	`jair, it's always best to format a drive in the os that is gonna use it`
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`15:30.33`	`crashbg`	`which of them is the true openssh server`
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`15:30.47`	`Zvpun`	`is there a tool to urlencode a string on the commandline?`
`15:30.48`	`Eulex`	`mogorman, do what? ask, and people will probably reply`
`15:30.56`	`jair`	`Eulex, yes I will be using it in both.`
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`15:31.03`	`jair`	`Eulex, in windows and linux`
`15:31.16`	`mogorman`	`that is why i came here ^_^`
`15:31.18`	`green_earz`	`rosemary: and if this channel gets in your face > check out the channel #debian-women go on your chat name > web site > http://women.alioth.debian.org/`
`15:31.22`	`sanxiyn`	`crashbg: openssh-server is. ssh is a dummy package.`
`15:31.23`	`jair`	`Eulex, I will give it a try with fdisk or cfdisk to see how it works`
`15:31.26`	`mogorman`	`just wanted to make sure it did disappear`
`15:31.28`	`Eulex`	`jair, what I meant to say was to format it in the os that the file system is native to`
`15:31.36`	`sanxiyn`	`crashbg: You can confirm by apt-cache show ssh yourself.`
`15:31.42`	`Eulex`	`jair, ie windows`
`15:31.59`	`crashbg`	`i've red that the debian openssh package is compiled with tcp wrappers support so the method with hosts.dany should work`
`15:32.07`	`jair`	`Eulex, cool`
`15:32.12`	`greycat`	`yeah, but.... who wants to use TCP wrappers?`
`15:32.19`	`greycat`	`yuck.`
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`15:32.31`	`crashbg`	`greycat, they are needed for hosts.* files`
`15:32.32`	`jair`	`Eulex, I create an extended partition in windows and now cfdisk can see it very cool`
`15:32.39`	`greycat`	`crashbg: yuck.`
`15:32.39`	`rosemary`	`green_earz: thanks`
`15:32.40`	`crashbg`	`or i have to use iptables instead`
`15:32.44`	`green_earz`	`np`
`15:32.45`	`greycat`	`I hate those stupid files.`
`15:32.52`	`greycat`	`I'd rather just have all the firewalling in one place.`
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`15:33.01`	`sanxiyn`	`crashbg: That's better.`
`15:33.39`	`rosemary`	`http://women.alioth.debian.org`
`15:33.46`	`crashbg`	`so i better use iptables to restrict access instead of hosts files...ok`
`15:34.39`	`jair`	`Eulex, ok I will do the format in windows but then I have another external hd and I will use it but format in linux to see how it works. ;)`
`15:35.13`	`greycat`	`oh lovely, squid DSA.`
`15:35.19`	`green_earz`	`rosemary: and mailing list > http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/`
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`15:36.18`	`asg`	`greycat: and I only just converted our ISA to squid last week.`
`15:36.59`	`rosemary`	`irc:http://women-alioth.debian.org/`
`15:37.00`	`jair`	`Eulex, it looks like 300GB can not be formated as a FAT`
`15:37.05`	`jair`	`or FAT 32`
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`15:37.22`	`Eulex`	`jair, fat has some rather dumb restrictions`
`15:37.30`	`jair`	`Eulex, I am trying to format it in windows and it only give me the option of NTFS`
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`15:37.56`	`Eulex`	`jair, I just have you some general guidelines, I dunno about the rest`
`15:38.14`	`jair`	`Eulex, so I think I will just go ahead and format it in cfdsik no other option.`
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`15:38.25`	`Blue9`	`jair: There is a size limit on (FAT\|FAT32) partitions, it's about 32gb I think.`
`15:38.33`	`greycat`	`hmm, only 2.5-STABLE5 on the HP-UX box.`
`15:38.33`	`Zvpun`	`is there a tool to urlencode a string on the commandline?`
`15:38.42`	`Blue9`	`If your partition is bigger, then you'll have to shrink it`
`15:38.46`	`asg`	`greycat: well, 2.5-STABLE9 is what sarge has`
`15:38.54`	`greycat`	`asg: yeah, but I'm being offtopic.`
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`15:39.08`	`greycat`	`my two squids are on non-debian systems`
`15:39.26`	`jharrison`	`does debian run on emt64?`
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`15:39.47`	`jharrison`	`if so which port to use?`
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`15:40.10`	`sanxiyn`	`jharrison: amd64 port.`
`15:40.16`	`Hiruky`	`i've upgraded to the 2.6 kernel and i'm attempting to get alsa to work, i did what dpkg told me to, but it cannot detect my sound card`
`15:40.36`	`Blue9`	`Hiruky: I had to compile the alsa-source to get my Card working.`
`15:40.41`	`jair`	`guys I got it`
`15:40.45`	`jharrison`	`sanxiyn: amd64 port runs on emt64?`
`15:40.50`	`sanxiyn`	`jharrison: Yes.`
`15:40.50`	`asg`	`greycat: it's the udp IP spoofing bug`
`15:40.55`	`jharrison`	`sanxiyn: ok thanks`
`15:41.05`	`jair`	`if you want to format that big HD is better do it in linux and then format it vfat`
`15:41.06`	`jair`	`;)`
`15:41.06`	`Hiruky`	`Blue9: how do i do that? do you have a guide for it`
`15:41.13`	`Blue9`	`Hiruky: Hang on.`
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`15:41.18`	`jair`	`so you will be able of use it in both.`
`15:41.21`	`sanxiyn`	`jharrison: Well, they are the same thing.`
`15:41.25`	`sanxiyn`	`jharrison: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq`
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`15:41.28`	`greycat`	`asg: so it's not listed on http://www.squid-cache.org/Advisories/ ?`
`15:41.30`	`jair`	`I am doing the formatting right now.`
`15:41.31`	`jair`	`;)`
`15:41.32`	`Hiruky`	`ack nm`
`15:41.36`	`Hiruky`	`maybe`
`15:41.37`	`sanxiyn`	`"amd64" is the name chosen by AMD for their 64-bit architecture. Before release, it was called "x86_64", and some distributions continue to use this name. Intel refers to its x86_64 instruction set CPUs as "EM64T". The architecture is still the same, and Debian amd64 will run on AMD and Intel x86 processors with 64-bit support. In honor of the inventing company, AMD, Debian uses the name amd64.`
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`15:41.49`	`asg`	`greycat: dunno, I'm still looking. I haven't received the DSA for some reason, only some user's comment on it.`
`15:41.58`	`Hiruky`	`It should be called Intel AMD64 -_-`
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`15:42.05`	`Hiruky`	`oh that ws said`
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`15:42.06`	`Hiruky`	`lol`
`15:42.25`	`nyterukh`	`good afternoon`
`15:42.28`	`Blue9`	`Hiruky: /usr/doc/alsa-source/`
`15:42.37`	`Hiruky`	`alrighty`
`15:42.39`	`Hiruky`	`thanks`
`15:42.39`	`greycat`	`asg: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-751`
`15:42.42`	`rosemary`	`green_earz: what server for the women-alioth channel`
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`15:43.01`	`greycat`	`rosemary: this one.`
`15:43.12`	`greycat`	`or no, that's debian-women`
`15:43.15`	`greycat`	`not sure about alioth`
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`15:43.22`	`asg`	`greycat: thanks`
`15:43.28`	`rosemary`	`greycat: okay thanks`
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`15:43.36`	`sanxiyn`	`rosemary: #debian-women`
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`15:43.48`	`rosemary`	`#debian-women`
`15:43.50`	`Daknet`	`How can I stat a .bin file (jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin)??`
`15:44.01`	`greycat`	`Daknet: same way you stat any other file`
`15:44.21`	`sanxiyn`	`greycat: It seems to be newer. (squid DSA)`
`15:44.31`	`Daknet`	`No, I do ./jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin, but it doesn't work...`
`15:44.33`	`Blue9`	`greycat: I was about to say the same thing.`
`15:44.43`	`greycat`	`sanxiyn: dammit. maybe I need to grab deb-src'ed squid sources to build on HP-UX`
`15:44.50`	`Blue9`	`Daknet chmod a+x jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin`
`15:44.52`	`Blue9`	`first`
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`15:45.08`	`greycat`	`Daknet: if you meant "start", try "sh myfile.bin"`
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`15:45.23`	`greycat`	`Daknet: but first you should have run "file myfile.bin" to verify that it's a shell script`
`15:45.31`	`sanxiyn`	`Daknet: See also java-package`
`15:45.40`	`greycat`	`sanxiyn: too bad it's broken to hell and back.`
`15:45.46`	`rosemary`	`thanks everyone - must to bed`
`15:45.47`	`greycat`	`even BEFORE dpkg 1.13 it wouldn't work for m e.`
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`15:45.59`	`Daknet`	`I'll try`
`15:45.59`	`sanxiyn`	`greycat: It always worked fine for me.`
`15:46.03`	`tarzeau`	`too much letters "j" detected`
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`15:46.29`	`greycat`	`!mojojojosmite tarzeau`
`15:46.41`	`asg`	`greycat: ah, it's only fix for woody. Sarge and > are unaffected.`
`15:46.46`	`sanxiyn`	`(Including Java Web Start and browser plugin)`
`15:47.06`	`greycat`	`asg: (grr!) yeah, but... WHY aren't they affected? because "upstream version X.Y-Z fixed it"?`
`15:47.06`	`Daknet`	`using chmod a+x jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin it works! Thanks`
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`15:47.39`	`asg`	`greycat: yeah, looks like 2.5.9-9 in debian fixed it (that must have been some time ago.)`
`15:47.44`	`greycat`	`sanxiyn: for me it just bitched because I ran with fakeroot, then bitched if I ran with sudo. refused to work.`
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`15:47.55`	`rorot`	`help! can I install /boot in a logical partition ?`
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`15:48.16`	`greycat`	`rorot: normally it's just part of your root file system. why do you want it to be separate?`
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`15:48.32`	`wooden`	`is there a program for create all my mp3s the correct id tag (with subdirectorys)?`
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`15:48.41`	`Blue9`	`wooden: apt-get install easytag`
`15:48.44`	`Daknet`	`but when I do ./jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin it only created a directory...how can I get infos about installing java?`
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`15:48.56`	`asg`	`greycat: Added upstream patch to fix security issue with DNS response spoofing (May 14th, 2005) (debian/patches/42-dns-query)`
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`15:49.29`	`dkakon`	`hello`
`15:49.33`	`drac`	`Daknet: You don't run java .bins on Debian like that. Install "java-package", and "man make-jpkg" to convert that .bin into .deb package.`
`15:49.42`	`greycat`	`asg: ugh.`
`15:49.50`	`sanxiyn`	`drac: Well, just running .bin does work.`
`15:49.51`	`xoz`	`wooden: apt-cache search mp3 tags`
`15:50.04`	`rorot`	`greycat: my /boot is a part of / , and / was installed at /dev/hdc6, and /dev/hdc1 is the only one primary partition, so I wonder if i can format /dev/hdc1 to install FreeBSD ?`
`15:50.12`	`drac`	`sanxiyn: Sure, with missing symlinks and bypassing without a good reason dpkg :\`
`15:50.17`	`greycat`	`ok, upstream 2.5.STABLE10 is dated July 11 2005.`
`15:50.21`	`greycat`	`that's pretty recent :)`
`15:50.26`	`asg`	`greycat: hehe`
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`15:50.38`	`greycat`	`if that doesn't have the fix, I'll just have to live without the fix.`
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`15:50.51`	`Daknet`	`I have no man for make-jpkg...!`
`15:51.03`	`dk0r`	`anyone get debian running with a pb 17" g4 1.5 ?`
`15:51.07`	`Blue9`	`Daknet: Is java-package installed?`
`15:51.07`	`dkakon`	`-?`
`15:51.12`	`greycat`	`Daknet: install the java-package package first.`
`15:51.20`	`sanxiyn`	`Note: java-package is in contrib.`
`15:51.20`	`dkakon`	`exit`
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`15:53.50`	`dk0r`	`anyone get debian running w/ a pb 17" g4 1.5 ?`
`15:53.54`	`asg`	`greycat: looks like upstream released the patch after 2.5.STABLE9 so STABLE10 should be fixed.`
`15:54.04`	`dk0r`	`#deb-pcc is dead as always`
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`15:54.44`	`Blue9`	`dk0r: I'm assuming that's some kind of monitor, why are you asking?`
`15:54.56`	`tarzeau`	`dk0r: #debianppc is not dead`
`15:54.58`	`dk0r`	`because i cant get the monitor working properly`
`15:55.00`	`tarzeau`	`dk0r: you just don't have patience`
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`15:55.08`	`dk0r`	`been there for 3 days tarz`
`15:55.09`	`tarzeau`	`dk0r: what kernel?`
`15:55.14`	`Blue9`	`dk0r: Any particular problem?`
`15:55.16`	`dk0r`	`yes`
`15:55.17`	`greycat`	`asg: now I just need to wait for the openbsd port to be patched...`
`15:55.28`	`tarzeau`	`dk0r: heh :) you know it's summer, try again for another 3 days`
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`15:55.38`	`dk0r`	`idk what kernel. im new to linux.`
`15:55.42`	`rorot`	`greycat: I'm sorry, my /etc/fstab has / (/dev/hdc6), none(/dev/hdc5), so where is my /boot ? /dev /hdc1 (primary partition) or /dev/hdc6?`
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`15:55.51`	`greycat`	`rorot: it's part of the root file system.`
`15:55.51`	`dk0r`	`i had a few people look @ it via ssh`
`15:55.56`	`dk0r`	`they could not get it going`
`15:56.02`	`dk0r`	`the display will not display properly`
`15:56.05`	`dk0r`	`in any mode`
`15:56.13`	`Blue9`	`dk0r: Strange.`
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`15:56.31`	`Blue9`	`dk0r: No errors in the logs?`
`15:56.41`	`dk0r`	`Im new to linux`
`15:56.47`	`dk0r`	`all help ive had has been through ssh`
`15:56.59`	`rorot`	`greycat: do you mean that /boot is in the partition of /dev/hdc6 where / was installed ?`
`15:57.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`!hack dk0r`
`15:57.02`	`nyterukh`	`same here dkor...join the club :}`
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`15:57.12`	`dk0r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:57.18`	`greycat`	`rorot: yes`
`15:57.19`	`Eulex`	`dk0r, check the xfree and syslog in /var/log`
`15:57.30`	`rorot`	`greycat: thanks :P`
`15:57.37`	`dk0r`	`eulex: ill get right on it`
`15:57.40`	`Blue9`	`dk0r: What Eulex said.`
`15:57.41`	`Blue9`	`hehe`
`15:58.01`	`dk0r`	`anyone wana come in on ssh?`
`15:58.07`	`dk0r`	`someones gatta be bored!`
`15:58.15`	`SySAdm`	`what's the difference between kernel-tree and kernel-source?`
`15:58.32`	`Eulex`	`dk0r, you should not offer ssh-access to your machine for random people on the net...`
`15:58.35`	`Daknet`	`I cannot find java-package...I have no make-jpkg on my laptop`
`15:58.55`	`Eulex`	`Daknet, maybe it's in contrib or non-free?`
`15:59.00`	`tarzeau`	`dk0r: i don't have a pb, only ibook but maybe it helps:`
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`15:59.04`	`Blue9`	`Daknet: have you got contrib and non-free in your sources`
`15:59.04`	`greycat`	`Daknet: add contrib to your sources.list`
`15:59.06`	`tarzeau`	`dk0r: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ see for powerpc`
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`15:59.15`	`Daknet`	`ok...`
`15:59.24`	`stew`	`java-package is in contrib`
`15:59.48`	`wers`	`cant get kismet to start, i edited the config, and it says : Unknown capture source type ipw2200 in source ipw2200,wlan0,mupp,2, what to do??`
`15:59.53`	`Blue9`	`Daknet: (open /etc/apt/sources.list in your favourite text editor, and add contrib after the word main on the first two lines)`
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`16:00.06`	`norton`	`which package does xv belong to?`
`16:00.14`	`tarzeau`	`norton: it's not there`
`16:00.15`	`greycat`	`it's no longer in debian.`
`16:00.15`	`xoz`	`!info xv`
`16:00.19`	`greycat`	`removed due to license`
`16:00.20`	`tarzeau`	`norton: try "feh"`
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`16:00.25`	`xoz`	`stupid licensing`
`16:00.36`	`tarzeau`	`same for amiwm :(`
`16:00.38`	`greycat`	`if you really need xv, you can forward-port it from the slink deb-src`
`16:00.41`	`SySAdm`	`hey guys anybody knows the difference between kernel-tree and kernel-source?`
`16:00.51`	`tarzeau`	`greycat: i've got an up to date version packaged at our site`
`16:00.55`	`tarzeau`	`if someone wants it, just tell me`
`16:00.56`	`mwilson`	`greycat: Potato. not Slink.`
`16:01.49`	`greycat`	`!potato`
`16:01.49`	`dpkg`	`i guess potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground`
`16:01.58`	`greycat`	`!slink`
`16:01.58`	`dpkg`	`Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato.`
`16:02.05`	`greycat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:02.05`	`elkid`	`potato`
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`16:02.15`	`Hiruko`	`is the 2.6 kernel known to have networking problems?`
`16:02.18`	`jair`	`guys I already format the external hd 300GB with fdisk in debian sarge, but it looks very good on linux but in windows it recognize the drive letter but it ask me to format it????`
`16:02.18`	`greycat`	`if the last upload on mine was 1998, I don't think it's potato.`
`16:02.19`	`elkid`	`!potato`
`16:02.19`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground`
`16:02.20`	`cahoot`	`SySAdm: might read here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/kernel-tree-2.6.11`
`16:02.29`	`mwilson`	`greycat: It's on the Potato CD's.`
`16:02.33`	`greycat`	`Hiruko: can you be a bit more vague?`
`16:02.34`	`SySAdm`	`thanks cahoot`
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`16:02.38`	`Hiruko`	`yes`
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`16:02.41`	`greycat`	`mwilson: non-free was ON THE CDs??`
`16:02.42`	`wers`	`cant get kismet to start, i edited the config, and it says : Unknown capture source type ipw2200 in source ipw2200,wlan0,mupp,2, what to do??`
`16:02.47`	`greycat`	`mwilson: I think you're imagining it.`
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`16:03.22`	`dabreegster`	`Hey. What's the proper way to disconnect USB devices before physically removing the connection? The last time I just unplugged my CD burner, the kernel panicked.`
`16:03.25`	`norton`	`oh, isee. thanks`
`16:03.31`	`Golfgeo`	`Can anyone tell me how many digits a unix timestamp is?`
`16:03.46`	`Hiruko`	`it was a general question, but anyway, i'm trying to configure my wired network but dhcp won't give an ip address`
`16:03.48`	`xoz`	`dabreegster: umount it`
`16:03.51`	`Phated`	`dabreegster: umount? :)`
`16:03.52`	`norton`	`guess i can live without xv, ill try feh`
`16:03.58`	`Hiruko`	`I know that the network is fine since i have a few other pcs on it`
`16:04.04`	`mwilson`	`I'm not. Not that it matters. You don't really want to forward-port the -26 package, anyway, unless you're also going to fix it up. It was very broken.`
`16:04.05`	`jair`	`here I have the results of fdisk /dev/sda http://pastebin.com/311273`
`16:04.05`	`dk0r`	`hiruko: do it manually then`
`16:04.13`	`Hiruko`	`i tried that too`
`16:04.21`	`Blue9`	`Golfgeo: It's just an integer I think, not a set number of digits`
`16:04.26`	`dk0r`	`then you are doing something wrong :)`
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`16:04.35`	`jair`	`anyone here has format before a 300GB external hd to use in windows and linux?`
`16:04.35`	`mwilson`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:04.38`	`Hiruko`	`no i'm not :(`
`16:04.51`	`mwilson`	`Oh, and that is the last changelog entry, not whatever you pasted.`
`16:04.52`	`Hiruko`	`I nkow you're gonna make dpkg say something so spare it, but it worked in 2.4`
`16:04.59`	`Hiruko`	`I'll try something else i guess`
`16:05.04`	`dabreegster`	`xoz, Phated: it's not mounted. I just used vobcopy and the device itself.`
`16:05.07`	`nyterukh`	`wont debian installer partition the drive for you?`
`16:05.08`	`dk0r`	`oh`
`16:05.09`	`dabreegster`	`df doesn't list it.`
`16:05.14`	`dk0r`	`well im not the one to talk to then`
`16:05.14`	`Hiruko`	`oh another error i'm getting here is sit0: unknown hardware address type 776`
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`16:05.40`	`Golfgeo`	`Blue9, yea, but I need to save it to MySql and I don't wan't to use to much space...`
`16:05.41`	`elkid`	`hey is somebody has been having troubless since tried the xorg backport?`
`16:05.44`	`Hiruko`	`maybe that's the source of the problem`
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`16:05.52`	`luulis_`	`has anyone got 3d-stuff working with wine > 20050310 (with libwine-gl) ?`
`16:06.09`	`dabreegster`	`Well, it's not listed. So I guess it's not mounted. Here goes.`
`16:06.12`	`Blue9`	`Golfgeo: Use the datetime and convert back?`
`16:06.24`	`Blue9`	`Golfgeo: that's what I do`
`16:06.39`	`Golfgeo`	`Blue9, going to look into it, thanks mare`
`16:06.43`	`Golfgeo`	`*mate`
`16:06.46`	`mwilson`	`greycat: What you pasted is the upload date for -20, not -26.`
`16:06.47`	`Blue9`	`Golfgeo: Np :)`
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`16:07.08`	`xoz`	`dabreegster: sync before removing it.`
`16:07.12`	`Hiruko`	`dk0r do you know anything about that error message?`
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`16:07.56`	`dk0r`	`wtf is sit0 >`
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`16:08.09`	`Hiruko`	`that's what it says`
`16:08.10`	`Hiruko`	`lol`
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`16:08.29`	`dk0r`	`ive never seen that interface`
`16:08.37`	`dk0r`	`dont ask me for help. im a linux beginner`
`16:08.37`	`Hiruko`	`hmm`
`16:08.41`	`Hiruko`	`same`
`16:08.48`	`wers`	`cant get kismet to start, i edited the config, and it says : Unknown capture source type ipw2200 in source ipw2200,wlan0,mupp,2, what to do??`
`16:08.53`	`Hiruko`	`yeah, i'm using ifup eth0`
`16:08.56`	`dk0r`	`know anyone whos gotten it running on a powerbook ?`
`16:09.01`	`Hiruko`	`then it says that error twice`
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`16:09.06`	`dk0r`	`u can just say eth0`
`16:09.14`	`Hiruko`	`oh`
`16:09.14`	`mwilson`	`wers: Provide a valid capture source?`
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`16:09.34`	`shingouz`	`wers: what version of kismet you have there?`
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`16:09.40`	`wers`	`wmilson. but ipw2200 is supported... i added it in the fuzzypart`
`16:09.47`	`Blue9`	`sit0 is an IPv6 thing AFAIK`
`16:09.48`	`dk0r`	`now i know why i use osx and windows :)`
`16:09.52`	`xoz`	`dk0r: do you have wireless and ethernet networks?`
`16:09.55`	`dk0r`	`blue9: i believe so`
`16:09.57`	`wers`	`shingouz apg-get installed`
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`16:10.08`	`wers`	`shingouz testi ng`
`16:10.21`	`Daknet`	`yeah`
`16:10.41`	`wers`	`Kismet 2005.04.R1`
`16:10.43`	`wers`	`Kismet 2005.04.R1`
`16:10.43`	`shingouz`	`wers: no can do. read the kismet docs on the www.kismetwireless.net website. afaik it needs the devel version at this point`
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`16:10.50`	`xoz`	`dk0r: ignore my question`
`16:10.50`	`wers`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:11.09`	`wers`	`shingouz i used read..`
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`16:11.24`	`wers`	`http://www.kismetwireless.net/blog/`
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`16:11.57`	`mz_work`	`any help for apt-key through a proxy?`
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`16:14.28`	`lildude`	`what printer works linux`
`16:14.47`	`shingouz`	`wers: i am not sure if the version in debian can use ipw2200 as a capture source yet. if you have some other card, use it for the time being`
`16:14.50`	`migma`	`!fgi lildude linux printing`
`16:14.51`	`dpkg`	`lildude: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux printing`
`16:14.53`	`mwilson`	`lildude: www.linuxprinting.org`
`16:14.56`	`leOn`	`lildude: http://www.linuxprinting.org/`
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`16:15.28`	`wers`	`shingouz ... mm.. na.. the intelcrap is integrated.. thanx tho.. i can use swscanner`
`16:16.18`	`jair`	`Eulex, Blue9 and guys I already found the solution for the hard drive 300GB maxtor one touch`
`16:16.29`	`jair`	`where i should put the solution`
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`16:16.39`	`jair`	`it is any wiki page where I can put it?`
`16:16.41`	`shingouz`	`is it a short one?`
`16:16.44`	`lildude`	`dpkg thanks`
`16:16.44`	`dpkg`	`i heard thanks is thats ok`
`16:16.52`	`jair`	`so other people can benefit from it`
`16:16.53`	`jair`	`?`
`16:17.10`	`jair`	`I want to paste a step by step instructions.`
`16:17.10`	`shingouz`	`jair: is the solution a short one. if it is, lets tell dpkg about it`
`16:17.42`	`jair`	`shingouz, you have to show me how to tell dpkg.`
`16:17.57`	`jair`	`shingouz, I do not know how to use tha feature on the server freenode`
`16:18.01`	`lildude`	`what printer do you linux guys use`
`16:18.10`	`shingouz`	`jair: just boil it down to a real short factoid and lets tell dpkg about it, ok?`
`16:18.26`	`jair`	`shingouz, ok`
`16:18.29`	`shingouz`	`lildude: pretty much anything as long as it is not a winprinter`
`16:18.36`	`lildude`	`like what?`
`16:18.37`	`wers`	`anyone know of a good bitchx-script with xdcc features?`
`16:18.49`	`lildude`	`cannon i 550?`
`16:18.50`	`jair`	`shingouz, I will make a little quick list numbered and then you can show me how to tell dpkg about it.`
`16:19.12`	`shingouz`	`jair: ok. i'll get some caffeine and a smoke. brb`
`16:19.21`	`wers`	`smoke!'`
`16:19.24`	`wers`	`..coffe!`
`16:19.27`	`wers`	`heureka!`
`16:19.29`	`valdyn`	`lildude: any printer understand pcl or postscript should work fine.`
`16:19.36`	`valdyn`	`lildude: any printer understanding pcl or postscript should work fine.`
`16:19.45`	`FieldySnuts`	`christ nx is irritating to set up`
`16:19.51`	`wers`	`lildude ..ALL printers work, period.. just have to work on some.`
`16:20.47`	`Blue9`	`jair: The solution, is it formatting it in vfat?`
`16:20.49`	`greycat`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:21.08`	`Whisky_`	`Webmin simply doesnt even ask for my password. When i goto https://localhost:10000, i get "Error - Access denied for 203.101.184.92"`
`16:21.19`	`asg`	`greycat: easy come, easy go`
`16:21.21`	`Blue9`	`Anyone know the name of the application that lets you rename your interfaces?`
`16:21.28`	`wers`	`Whisky_ have u set the flag in the .conf?`
`16:21.29`	`asg`	`Blue9: ifname`
`16:21.29`	`lildude`	`cool then how to i get debian to see m cannon i 550`
`16:21.34`	`Blue9`	`asg: Thanks :)`
`16:21.43`	`Whisky_`	`wers: no :\|`
`16:21.51`	`asg`	`Blue9: erm, maybe nameif`
`16:21.57`	`wers`	`Whisky_ ..should be one.. had that problem..`
`16:22.00`	`mwilson`	`lildude: As you were told, www.linuxprinting.org`
`16:22.02`	`cahoot`	`ifrename?`
`16:22.03`	`jair`	`1- maxtor one touch I and one touch II usb configuration, 2- fdisk /dev/sda 3- create "n" new partition with "b" option W95 FAT32 4- as root type #mkfs.vfat -F 32 -v /dev/sda1 (where sda1 is the partition created) 5- get some fruit and enjoy`
`16:22.11`	`wers`	`Whisky_ and sheck for phucked iptablees`
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`16:22.23`	`Blue9`	`jair: Awesome. I'll have to remember that :)`
`16:22.30`	`jair`	`Blue9, it is cool`
`16:22.33`	`Whisky_`	`wers: Its a fresh install of Debian and nothing screwed in iptables. Was the same with the last install.`
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`16:23.13`	`wers`	`restarted apache?`
`16:23.21`	`jair`	`shingouz, there is the short step by step for the dpkg boot`
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`16:23.32`	`jair`	`shingouz, 1- maxtor one touch I and one touch II usb configuration, 2- fdisk /dev/sda 3- create "n" new partition with "b" option W95 FAT32 4- as root type #mkfs.vfat -F 32 -v /dev/sda1 (where sda1 is the partition created) 5- get some fruit and enjoy`
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`16:23.47`	`leOn`	`Whisky_: maybe you need to configure webmin to accept connections from that IP address ?`
`16:23.56`	`wers`	`fruit?`
`16:23.56`	`valdyn`	`jair: where;s the 'special' part beyond using fdisk and formatting a partition?`
`16:24.05`	`leOn`	`doesn't it "bind" only to localhost by default?`
`16:24.14`	`Whisky_`	`leOn: It has allow=127.0.0.1 but nothing like disallow :/`
`16:24.17`	`wers`	`Whisky_ Localhost right?`
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`16:24.31`	`black_Nightmare`	`hey`
`16:24.33`	`Whisky_`	`yup`
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`16:24.46`	`wers`	`Whisky_ if u checked the conf then check the apache conf`
`16:24.47`	`leOn`	`Whisky_: then try allow=203.101.184.92 too`
`16:25.02`	`leOn`	`that, or configure apache to ALSO use localhost as a vhost`
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`16:25.13`	`jair`	`valdyn, you know that you have to delete the partition that will be default there probably (win95 Fat32 (LBA)) that probably will not work on linux or windows.`
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`16:25.32`	`Whisky_`	`leOn: actually i am using a domain and Apache has a vhost for the domain: http://mydomain:10000`
`16:25.39`	`jair`	`valdyn, you have to delete the partition and create a new one wuth the steps I put in the chat.`
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`16:25.57`	`leOn`	`Whisky_: read what i said and take your conclusions`
`16:26.05`	`wers`	`Whisky_ allow=all`
`16:26.18`	`Whisky_`	`k`
`16:26.34`	`valdyn`	`jair: ah, i see.`
`16:26.38`	`black_Nightmare`	`just curious anyhow but would this suit fine for a home user? 300Amhz slot1, 128mb ram (could probably get it to 256mb total), udma 2.5gb hd`
`16:26.45`	`black_Nightmare`	`just things like internet, emails, koffice, etc`
`16:27.06`	`Blue9`	`black_Nightmare: Probably.`
`16:27.12`	`Blue9`	`Suck it and see?`
`16:27.20`	`Eulex`	`black_Nightmare, would work fine, but much better with 256 mb ram`
`16:27.41`	`wers`	`black_Nightmare : would make a nice router.. ;)*`
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`16:27.49`	`black_Nightmare`	`eulex..yeah I thought I'll mention that..might look into it... only a few bucks for compactible stick from a usa online ram store`
`16:27.49`	`antgel`	`black_Nightmare: key is not to use bloatware e.g. kde/gnome`
`16:27.54`	`black_Nightmare`	`wers..its too overpowering for that :p`
`16:28.21`	`wers`	`black_Nightmare : na.. u could run debian on it as a workstation.. no problem..`
`16:28.22`	`Blue9`	`black_Nightmare: Actually sounds like a nice smoothwall/ip-cop box :)`
`16:28.32`	`shingouz`	`jair: that's it? the whole solution?`
`16:28.37`	`black_Nightmare`	`antgel...and -nor- any kind of newer ms programs too .. I mean god Office 95 and Office XP share too many similar basic features but XP demands too much more resources to do the same tasks that 95 does :))`
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`16:28.46`	`black_Nightmare`	`I've had a short experience with ms office anyhow`
`16:28.53`	`argv[0]`	`is this the right place to ask about run-parts?`
`16:29.03`	`jair`	`shingouz, yes`
`16:29.05`	`wers`	`black_Nightmare : WOOOOO... win?`
`16:29.05`	`black_Nightmare`	`blue9..if it was for smoothwall I'll rather just use a socket7 board ;)`
`16:29.19`	`shingouz`	`jair: want to tell dpkg about it too?`
`16:29.20`	`Whisky_`	`wers: ok it worked but my IP is dynamic, what's the solution to that ?`
`16:29.23`	`Blue9`	`black_Nightmare: Fair enough :)`
`16:29.24`	`wers`	`black_Nightmare : debian sarge, and openoffice`
`16:29.27`	`possie`	`what is the maximum number of luns that linux will see?`
`16:29.33`	`Blue9`	`Whisky_: no-ip.org`
`16:29.34`	`Blue9`	`:)`
`16:29.39`	`jair`	`shingouz, I don't htink that you have to put the part where indicate that nyou have to delete the partition that will be recognized before.`
`16:29.46`	`jair`	`shingouz, yes`
`16:29.49`	`Whisky_`	`:p`
`16:30.01`	`Blue9`	`Whisky_: Seriously :)`
`16:30.07`	`shingouz`	`lemme see how the solution looks like. sec, jair`
`16:30.19`	`jair`	`so anyone that ask about external hd with windows and linux compatibility may follow this steps and will have it working :)`
`16:30.21`	`elkid`	`are the nvidia packages built for working with xfree run ok with xorg?`
`16:30.24`	`jair`	`ok`
`16:30.25`	`wers`	`Whisky_ : make a script that captures your dynamic ip fron lets say.. ifconfig and parse id to a variable say.ALLIP.`
`16:30.35`	`Blue9`	`Home time, bye all :)`
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`16:31.18`	`Roadrunne`	`Hi, is there anything wrong: 'rsync -e ssh --delete /var/test host.com:~/test' It isn't working. scp copies files without problems`
`16:31.34`	`shingouz`	`jair: you say "dpkg: factoidname is blahblahblah" and dpkg should go "ok"`
`16:31.54`	`black_Nightmare`	`one question anyhow...`
`16:32.06`	`Eulex`	`elkid, no, afaik X drivers will have to be rebuilt when switching to another version of X`
`16:32.24`	`shingouz`	`jair: just make the name of the factoid something useable and short. easy to remember too of course ;)`
`16:32.30`	`jair`	`1- maxtor one touch I and one touch II usb (1 or 2) it may work with firewire configuration, 2- fdisk /dev/sda and delete the partition that shows on the linux console 3- using fdisk /dev/sda create "n" new partition with "b" option W95 FAT32 4- as root type #mkfs.vfat -F 32 -v /dev/sda1 (where sda1 is the partition created) 5- get some fruit and enjoy`
`16:32.34`	`black_Nightmare`	`suggestion on card for agp vga+tv/out (stressing the tv/out part) with linux?)`
`16:32.44`	`juancri`	`hola a todos`
`16:32.51`	`elkid`	`Eulex, i have not installed any nvidia driver just wonder if these packages ll work in xorg backport`
`16:32.53`	`black_Nightmare`	`could be pci too thou but depends`
`16:32.54`	`valdyn`	`elkid: should work with both.`
`16:33.02`	`juancri`	`in spanish please`
`16:33.03`	`jharrison`	`anyone have the linksys EG1032?`
`16:33.12`	`jharrison`	`anyone know what driver it uses`
`16:33.15`	`jair`	`shingouz, this is the final edited solution: 1- maxtor one touch I and one touch II usb (1 or 2) it may work with firewire configuration, 2- fdisk /dev/sda and delete the partition that shows on the linux console 3- using fdisk /dev/sda create "n" new partition with "b" option W95 FAT32 4- as root type #mkfs.vfat -F 32 -v /dev/sda1 (where sda1 is the partition created) 5- get some fruit and enjoy`
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`16:33.32`	`jair`	`shingouz, how could I put it in the dpkg now?`
`16:33.36`	`mz_work`	`anyone know of apt-key documentation? specifically i need apt-key through a proxy`
`16:33.41`	`shingouz`	`jair: you say "dpkg: factoidname is blahblahblah" and dpkg should go "ok"`
`16:33.43`	`shingouz`	`jair: just make the name of the factoid something useable and short. easy to remember too of course ;)`
`16:34.01`	`leOn`	`Roadrunne: what's the problem ?`
`16:34.03`	`jair`	`shingouz, hmmm can be external HD`
`16:34.24`	`Roadrunne`	`leOn: it doen's copy the source to target`
`16:34.26`	`shingouz`	`could be. /msg dpkg listkeys external`
`16:34.33`	`leOn`	`Roadrunne: any error message ?`
`16:34.39`	`greycat`	`jair: so your whole howto is "remove the partition it came with and make a new one"`
`16:34.44`	`Roadrunne`	`leOn: not really`
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`16:35.08`	`Roadrunne`	`leOn: 'skipping directory /var/test'`
`16:35.46`	`jair`	`greycat, yes because the one that comes with it is not even recognized for windows then windows will allow you to make a ntfs one wich is hard to mount on linux`
`16:36.09`	`leOn`	`Roadrunne: both machines have their clocks set ?`
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`16:36.35`	`elkid`	`!xorg`
`16:36.35`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress.`
`16:36.38`	`Roadrunne`	`leOn: difference of ~60s`
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`16:36.45`	`jair`	`greycat, did you get it?`
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`16:36.52`	`jair`	`greycat, did you understand it?`
`16:36.54`	`shingouz`	`jair: it could be boiled down a bit more... delete the original partition and make a new one before formatting`
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`16:36.56`	`valdyn`	`jair: this is what you have to do with about _any_ harddisk you buy.`
`16:36.57`	`elkid`	`!java`
`16:36.57`	`dpkg`	`a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away`
`16:37.01`	`antgel`	`just out of interest, what was dijiko's point?`
`16:37.03`	`leOn`	`Roadrunne: time is very important when rsyncing`
`16:37.04`	`elkid`	`:>`
`16:37.12`	`greycat`	`shingouz: one wonders why he can't just mkfs over the old partition`
`16:37.18`	`Eulex`	`elkid, if you wanna play with dpkg, /msg him`
`16:37.19`	`jair`	`valdyn, correct external`
`16:37.27`	`elkid`	`Eulex, hehehe`
`16:37.50`	`shingouz`	`greycat: maybe the thing just was not seen correctly. i have had that happen sometimes with a few old computers`
`16:38.02`	`jair`	`unless the hard drive is already formated as (win 95 Fat32)`
`16:38.49`	`jair`	`greycat, i tried that and it gave me an error`
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`16:39.11`	`jair`	`greycat, so I delete it again and create (primary partition) ok it can not be a extended`
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`16:39.31`	`cddesjar`	`how do i find the version of gzip that is installed?`
`16:39.39`	`jair`	`greycat, otherwise the "t" option will tell you that you have to have a primary partition`
`16:39.47`	`valdyn`	`jair: are you sure it was not detected? some drives just ship with a partition other than xda1`
`16:40.12`	`mz_work`	`cddesjar: apt-cache policy gzip`
`16:40.17`	`shingouz`	`jair: how about this: " remove the original partition and make a new primary partition. format to the filesystem of your choice"`
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`16:40.42`	`cddesjar`	`thanks mz!`
`16:40.44`	`MFen`	`who signs experimental releases? i'm getting a gpg error installing a package from there`
`16:40.45`	`jair`	`valdyn, this one was detected as this (win95 fat32 (LBA)) which I don't know the difference but it was not showing on the windows machines`
`16:40.58`	`MFen`	`it has no public key matching the Release.gpg for experimental`
`16:41.00`	`valdyn`	`jair: ah ok`
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`16:41.30`	`jair`	`shingouz, in order to use the hd with both windows and linux it have to be idealy (win95 fat 32)`
`16:41.40`	`jair`	`which is a vfat`
`16:41.52`	`Roadrunne`	`leOn: ok, now i have 2s diff, but it doesn't work either`
`16:42.12`	`shingouz`	`jair: not all of use have windows on anything ;)`
`16:42.15`	`jair`	`mkfs. vfat -F -v /dev/sda1 will do that and verify the partition ;)`
`16:42.19`	`shingouz`	`s/use/us`
`16:42.32`	`MFen`	`i know all i have to do is download the right key but i can't figure how to tell what key is missing`
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`16:42.48`	`greycat`	`AIEEE!! gzip DSA!`
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`16:43.08`	`jair`	`ok you have the list of step by step you are free to change it I just wanted to let know the channel`
`16:43.12`	`jair`	`;)`
`16:43.17`	`bovine_`	`What's the site that has the archives of the older debian packages?`
`16:43.19`	`Eulex`	`!tell greycat about nicktab`
`16:43.25`	`asg`	`greycat: they out to get us today?`
`16:43.28`	`shingouz`	`jair: ok :)`
`16:43.53`	`stew`	`bovine_: snapshot.debian.net`
`16:43.59`	`greycat`	`Eulex: huh?`
`16:44.01`	`bovine_`	`thanks, i can never remember :-/`
`16:44.05`	`stew`	`bovine_: although they don't have many old packages anymore, only going back to feb. or so`
`16:44.27`	`deadcat`	`greycat: heard you added the xorg debs factoid..`
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`16:44.46`	`tombs`	`hi ppl`
`16:44.51`	`happybunny`	`what apt package is dig in?`
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`16:44.55`	`happybunny`	`hi tombs`
`16:45.02`	`Eulex`	`greycat, sorry, was meant for cddesjar`
`16:45.08`	`asg`	`happybunny: dnsutils`
`16:45.17`	`happybunny`	`thanks`
`16:45.28`	`greycat`	`deadcat: I may have edited one.`
`16:45.31`	`greycat`	`or more than one.`
`16:45.39`	`deadcat`	`so ssh is now split into server and client?`
`16:45.48`	`asg`	`deadcat: apt-cache show ssh`
`16:46.05`	`deadcat`	`greycat: using xorg right now. but cant find transset and xcompmgr`
`16:46.35`	`deadcat`	`asg: ssh is now a virtual pkg.`
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`16:46.48`	`asg`	`deadcat: that's what the description says (on sid at least)`
`16:46.53`	`greycat`	`deadcat: well that makes one of us. I've never used X.org's X server.`
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`16:46.58`	`RichiH`	`greycat: when people do that, please drop me a line, too`
`16:47.07`	`RichiH`	`(the #securityhack spammage)`
`16:47.09`	`shingouz`	`jair: happy? :p`
`16:47.15`	`happybunny`	`me?`
`16:47.23`	`Garp`	`(leaving, bye)`
`16:47.24`	`drac`	`deadcat: those are not shipped with xorg (at least yet)`
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`16:47.26`	`greycat`	`RichiH: just that particular spam? or...?`
`16:47.53`	`deadcat`	`drac: guess i have to compile myself?`
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`16:48.21`	`nyterukh`	`exit`
`16:48.37`	`drac`	`deadcat: yeah, from CVS, quick howto at http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x`
`16:48.39`	`RichiH`	`greycat: any spam`
`16:48.50`	`drac`	`deadcat: just skip the xorg part :)`
`16:48.54`	`RichiH`	`greycat: a kline works better than a ban, in most cases :p`
`16:49.01`	`greycat`	`RichiH: ok.`
`16:49.11`	`jair`	`shingouz, nice`
`16:49.12`	`jair`	`;)`
`16:49.19`	`RichiH`	`greycat: as a rule of thumb, anything that would 'impact the network'`
`16:49.21`	`shingouz`	`:)`
`16:49.24`	`RichiH`	`hard definition, that :p`
`16:49.30`	`deadcat`	`drac: thanks`
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`16:49.47`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: but you're always away ! :)`
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`16:50.02`	`RichiH`	`abrotman: not always`
`16:50.09`	`RichiH`	`abrotman: and i checked on what you said, too :)`
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`16:50.20`	`RichiH`	`you guys can of course just join #freenode, too`
`16:50.27`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: i don't even remember what it was .. but it hink the channel was spammed heavily .. and no ops were around ..`
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`16:50.34`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: yeah .. but you have to wait for voice there`
`16:50.43`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: which sometimes takes 20 minutes`
`16:51.02`	`jtaylor`	`If I have a .tar.gz with a nice debian/rules file... how can I create debs from this?`
`16:51.12`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`16:51.25`	`abrotman`	`!beer RichiH`
`16:51.26`	`greycat`	`jtaylor: fakeroot debian/rules binary`
`16:51.33`	`abrotman`	`!hotwoman RichiH`
`16:51.38`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: sorry .. i tried`
`16:51.45`	`Spec`	`Where can I find a debian of kernel-headers-2.4.26?`
`16:51.48`	`RichiH`	`abrotman: i got one, already`
`16:51.50`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: it's also 'american' lager`
`16:52.02`	`Spec`	`snapshot.debian.net doesn't seem to have kernel headers for 2.4.26`
`16:52.02`	`RichiH`	`two would probably kill me after they made me broke`
`16:52.05`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: admittedly .. a german family .. and america's oldest brewery`
`16:52.10`	`Schiz0`	`Spec- apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.4.26`
`16:52.14`	`Schiz0`	`h.`
`16:52.17`	`Schiz0`	`ah*`
`16:52.17`	`Spec`	`err, not in the repository`
`16:52.20`	`daisuke`	`any reason why vlc would degfault run as a normal user but run fine as root?`
`16:52.22`	`RichiH`	`abrotman: might even not taste like piss, then`
`16:52.28`	`Schiz0`	`well then you have to compile your own kernel and make a deb outta that.`
`16:52.34`	`greycat`	`2.4.26 is not supported any more.`
`16:52.39`	`drac`	`Spec: Any reason not to upgrade to 2.4.27-2?`
`16:52.41`	`greycat`	`upgrade to the kernel that's available in sarge`
`16:52.41`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: many people actually like it`
`16:52.48`	`clojster`	`is there Andrew Morton's patchset for kernel 2.6.11.12? (google didn't find anything)`
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`16:53.00`	`Schiz0`	`Spec- http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html`
`16:53.04`	`RichiH`	`abrotman: people like budweiser, too ;)`
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`16:53.23`	`mwilson`	`clojster: Why would there be an -mm for that kernel?`
`16:53.27`	`Spec`	`umm, it's my own kernel i made a while back to work with our servers`
`16:53.30`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: but they have broken tastebuds .. it's a fact .. i checked with a doctor`
`16:53.32`	`NOthsouth`	`there is any method for "undeleat" files? .. some way of recovery deleted files ?`
`16:53.34`	`drac`	`clojster: Andrew's patchset is -mm patches.. at kernel.org`
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`16:53.42`	`greycat`	`looks like the gzip DSA is another "already fixed in sarge" one.`
`16:53.45`	`Spec`	`and i just need the kernel headers so I can compile some silly Fiber card driver`
`16:53.48`	`clojster`	`mwilson: and why wouldn't?`
`16:53.49`	`greycat`	`all my sarge boxes appear to have 1.3.5-10 already`
`16:54.08`	`mwilson`	`clojster: You have no idea what a 2.6.x.x kernel is, do you?`
`16:54.14`	`greycat`	`Spec: you must upgrade the kernel-image (and boot it) first.`
`16:54.21`	`mwilson`	`clojster: No? I didn't think so.`
`16:54.23`	`Spec`	`why?`
`16:54.29`	`Spec`	`Aren't there still kernel headers for 2.4.26? o.O`
`16:54.33`	`greycat`	`12:52 greycat> 2.4.26 is not supported any more.`
`16:54.37`	`clojster`	`mwilson: hm... so tell me`
`16:55.01`	`Spec`	`I thought snapshot.debian.org had the old packages that werent' supported anymore -.-`
`16:55.04`	`Spec`	`err, .net*`
`16:55.11`	`greycat`	`Spec: well? do they?`
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`16:55.16`	`Spec`	`apparantly not -.-`
`16:55.23`	`greycat`	`(and do you really want to run a kernel that may have vulnerabilities?)`
`16:55.38`	`mwilson`	`clojster: Especially since the current -mm is 2.6.13-rc2-mm1`
`16:55.55`	`mwilson`	`clojster: Not that you'd have bothered to check or anything.`
`16:56.00`	`Spec`	`greycat: the kernel version is not quite my choice, i'll need to convince my boss to let me upgrade the kernels... -.-`
`16:56.05`	`RichiH`	`greycat: gzip or zlib?`
`16:56.15`	`greycat`	`RichiH: the DSA says gzip`
`16:56.27`	`mwilson`	`gzip uses zlib, doesn't it?`
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`16:56.36`	`RichiH`	`the zlib of debian must be impacted by this, too`
`16:56.39`	`clojster`	`mwilson: but I don't want current -mm... I want one patchset that will apply ok on my 2.6.11.12 kernel`
`16:56.50`	`greycat`	`I don't think gzip uses zlib`
`16:56.53`	`mwilson`	`I know that the 3.7-004 patch for oBSD references gzip.`
`16:56.58`	`greycat`	`I think they're parallel implementations`
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`16:57.08`	`S0n1`	`why i change my language (console) (english for portugues)`
`16:57.19`	`greycat`	`S0n1: dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`16:57.20`	`S0n1`	`locales don't ...`
`16:57.25`	`greycat`	`S0n1: logout and back in`
`16:57.32`	`Roadrunne`	`Hi, what's wrong with: 'rsync -e ssh --delete /var/test host.com:~/test' It isn't working. Scp instead copies files without problems`
`16:57.40`	`drac`	`clojster: You can't get 2.6.11.12-mm*, but you can get 2.6.11-mm4 from kernel.org`
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`16:57.47`	`mwilson`	`No, it's compress there, not gzip. My bad.`
`16:58.08`	`shingouz`	`Roadrunne: user@host.com:/file`
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`16:58.29`	`mwilson`	`clojster: If you think you're competent to use an -mm patchset, how can you not even know what a 2.6.11.12 kernel is?`
`16:58.33`	`grumpy_`	`greetings, I'm having troubles getting my madwifi driver to compile properly, it seems ok but when I go to modprobe it says "invalid module format" any ideas? anyone else using madwifi? I was thinking maybe a gcc issue?`
`16:58.37`	`clojster`	`drac: yes, I know that... but it doesnt apply ok on kernel 2.6.11.12... (there are some hunks failed)`
`16:58.59`	`clojster`	`mwilson: omg, stop it!`
`16:59.02`	`mwilson`	`clojster: As it should fail.`
`16:59.02`	`S0n1`	`i change locales`
`16:59.04`	`S0n1`	`logout`
`16:59.05`	`S0n1`	`and ..`
`16:59.07`	`S0n1`	`Need to get 2637kB/3481kB of archives. After unpacking 205kB will be used.`
`16:59.26`	`grumpy_`	`btw I'm on 2.6.11.11`
`16:59.26`	`clojster`	`mwilson: hm, ok ok`
`16:59.26`	`S0n1`	`english ..`
`16:59.26`	`greycat`	`S0n1: so finish your apt-getting.`
`16:59.34`	`Roadrunne`	`shingouz: isn't working either`
`16:59.56`	`FieldySnuts`	`you apply the 2.6.11.12 patch to vanilla 2.6.11, not 2.6.11.11`
`17:00.09`	`drac`	`grumpy_: Check last lines from "dmesg" after that error.`
`17:00.16`	`Roadrunne`	`shingouz: 'skipping directory /var/test'`
`17:00.17`	`mwilson`	`clojster: So, again, why would you expect an -mm patcheset to apply to a 2.6.11.x kernel?`
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`17:00.41`	`shingouz`	`Roadrunne: take the --delete out and try like then`
`17:00.42`	`mwilson`	`clojster: What, other than nothing, does the one have to do with the other?`
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`17:01.14`	`shingouz`	`s/then/that`
`17:01.47`	`clojster`	`mwilson: hm, but for example -ck patchsets (2.6.11-ck9) supports 2.6.11.12 kernel`
`17:02.14`	`mwilson`	`clojster: Good for -ck patchests. What do those have to do with -mm patchsets? Oh, that's right... nothing.`
`17:02.17`	`Roadrunne`	`shingouz: had to change to /var/test/*`
`17:02.24`	`Roadrunne`	`shingouz: thanks anyway`
`17:02.27`	`shingouz`	`np`
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`17:02.45`	`Whisky_`	`I can send messages to people but I dont receive messages sent to my address. I am using PostFix.`
`17:03.08`	`clojster`	`mwilson: yep, nothing... but my question was simple: does the -mm patchset for 2.6.11.12 exists?`
`17:03.16`	`Roadrunne`	`shingouz: but it still does not delete files on target which doesnt exists on source...?`
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`17:03.27`	`mwilson`	`clojster: And you've been told by three different people that it does not.`
`17:03.36`	`clojster`	`mwilson: simple yes/no answer should be allright`
`17:03.58`	`abrotman`	`you could ask #kernel .. since it's outside the scope of #debian`
`17:04.13`	`clojster`	`mwilson: heh... ok then. cya`
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`17:04.32`	`mwilson`	`But, then again, you don't even know what a 2.6.x.x kernel IS, so I shouldn't be surprised.`
`17:05.18`	`greycat`	`it's a pumpkin!`
`17:05.46`	`clojster`	`mwilson: ok, well... I won't learn it from you, will I?`
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`17:06.31`	`clojster`	`mwilson: so you know something what I don't and now you're The Guru or what?`
`17:06.40`	`mwilson`	`clojster: Oh, I don't know... I've told you twice that it's the stable kernel series, but it's not like you'd actually pay attention or anything.`
`17:07.24`	`greycat`	`!-mm`
`17:07.25`	`dpkg`	`hmm... -mm is a set of patches, released by Andrew Morton, against the official kernel series, and is frequently more experimental in nature than the official series.`
`17:07.52`	`zOap`	`!debian-no`
`17:07.52`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users...`
`17:07.58`	`jharrison`	`any gigabit network card recommendations?`
`17:08.11`	`clojster`	`so kernel 2.6.11.XX isn't official or what??`
`17:08.13`	`greycat`	`jharrison: one of the openbsd developers likes the SysKonnect ones.`
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`17:08.22`	`greycat`	`jharrison: Intel seems to be a good choice as well`
`17:08.24`	`colby`	`i have used broadcom and intel gigabit NICs with much success, but i haven't tried much else`
`17:08.30`	`mwilson`	`Oh, brother.`
`17:08.31`	`colby`	`lots of intels, always work well`
`17:08.43`	`Seb`	`plus, it rhymes`
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`17:08.45`	`jharrison`	`greycat: I was looking at the intel PWLA8390MT`
`17:09.00`	`mwilson`	`I understand that 3Com is doing gigabit NICs now, too.`
`17:09.48`	`jharrison`	`any others?`
`17:09.54`	`jharrison`	`linksys netgear etc...?`
`17:10.05`	`jharrison`	`from what I have read the PWLA8390MT from intel is discontinued`
`17:10.10`	`jharrison`	`the current model is 89 bucks`
`17:10.13`	`mwilson`	`clojster: Why do you think you need to be using an -mm patchset? I'm curious as to what you think you are gaining, other than instability.`
`17:10.16`	`jharrison`	`little pricy for me`
`17:10.32`	`mwilson`	`jharrison: As in all things, you pay for what you get.`
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`17:10.50`	`mwilson`	`jharrison: You'd actually trust your data to a linksys NIC?`
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`17:11.45`	`coll`	`Wyzard: around?`
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`17:12.27`	`clojster`	`mwilson: well... I heard that after applying -mm patchset kernel is better for desktop use as it responds significantly faster...`
`17:12.29`	`n0o0b`	Hi, I Install WinXP and I have trouble with starting linux. I have two floppy (one with boot iso, and 2nd with root iso), but when I boot my computer from boot floppy, and insert root floppy.I don`t boot to Linux. I see installing Interface, BUT when I boot from boot floppy I have console where I can enter some (5-10) commands.
`17:12.29`	`n0o0b`	`Question: what need I write to boot from my Hard Drive?`
`17:12.40`	`clojster`	`mwilson: so I wanted to try it yout`
`17:12.47`	`qwertz__`	`I need to recompile my current debian sarge 2.6.8-2 kernel to include the serverworks module static into the kernel, so what would be the best way to do this? Load the config from /boot and then? Any help?`
`17:12.56`	`clojster`	`mwilson: s/yout/out/`
`17:12.58`	`sandip`	`can anyone tell me in which package adobe fonts like helvetica, times roman etc. are located? I cant spot them in my fonts list.`
`17:13.01`	`valdyn`	`clojster: -mm is the the semi official experimental tree, its not meant to be used really.`
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`17:13.49`	`coll`	`valdyn: kernel compile last night went fine. just wanted to drop and say thank you`
`17:14.43`	`valdyn`	`coll: hmm, welcome, i didnt do anything`
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`17:15.36`	`Manyfold`	`i have a problem with my login shell`
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`17:15.53`	`jharrison`	`mwilson: well thats why im asking for advice`
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`17:15.58`	`jharrison`	`mwilson: what would you trust your data to?`
`17:16.12`	`rift-wrk`	`Anyone know of a CLI based disk throughput utility?`
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`17:16.32`	`n0o0b`	Hi, I Install WinXP and I have trouble with starting linux. I have two floppy (one with boot iso, and 2nd with root iso), but when I boot my computer from boot floppy, and insert root floppy.I don`t boot to Linux. I see installing Interface, BUT when I boot from boot floppy I have console where I can enter some (5-10) commands.
`17:16.32`	`n0o0b`	`Question: what need I write to boot from my Hard Drive?`
`17:16.48`	`mwilson`	`clojster: Kernels are not something you "try out", especially when you have no clue.`
`17:17.04`	`mwilson`	`jharrison: Intel or 3Com, myself.`
`17:17.10`	`shingouz`	`n0o0b: what distro you try to install?`
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`17:17.33`	`mwilson`	`jharrison: Not that I'm doing gigabit... I wouldn't trust anything that had linksys' name on the box, no matter what speed it was.`
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`17:18.01`	`mwilson`	`<sigh> Don't these people have anything better to do?`
`17:18.08`	`raf256`	`what teh FUCK`
`17:18.10`	`jharrison`	`I think now`
`17:18.11`	`jharrison`	`not`
`17:18.12`	`colby`	`wow.`
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`17:18.22`	`raf256`	`the gnaa is attacking \o/`
`17:18.27`	`jharrison`	`mwilson: you have any models from intel to recommend`
`17:18.35`	`mwilson`	`jharrison: No.`
`17:18.38`	`jharrison`	`ok`
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`17:18.42`	`jbmigel`	`does anyone know a good gtk based C/C++ ide that supports some sort of variable watching debugger? what do I you oss d00ds use to write C code?`
`17:18.43`	`n0o0b`	shingouz: I have installing Debian linux. Yesterday I install WinXP. and now I can`t boot to linux. :(
`17:18.44`	`clojster`	`mwilson: why the hell do you think that I have no clue?? I just didn't know.... aah - that is useless`
`17:18.56`	`raf256`	`so most of the nicks above are bots and re/dis-connecting is an form of attack right?`
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`17:19.30`	`LoRez`	`connecting is them attempting to attack, disconnecting is us killing them.`
`17:19.31`	`mwilson`	`jbmigel: "oss d00ds" don't have enough clue to write code.`
`17:19.34`	`clojster`	`mwilson: anyway - as this box isn't server - I think that I can try out kernels OK...`
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`17:19.43`	`masoft`	`n0o0b, start your system with a Live Linux then install grub`
`17:19.53`	`raf256`	`LoRez: so they are killed before thay can do anything? well how lame are they :)`
`17:20.02`	`mwilson`	`masoft: And if he was using lilo before?`
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`17:20.27`	`LoRez`	`raf256: they attacked fedora and gentoo as well`
`17:20.50`	`raf256`	`LoRez: well but they dont seem very successfull in that, they dont flood channel with spam or anything. loosers ;)`
`17:20.52`	`rift-wrk`	`Anyone know of a CLI based disk throughput utility? I am looking for something like iptraf or similiar or gkrellm for command line to show disk activity.`
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`17:20.57`	`n0o0b`	shingouz: I haven`t some distrib files. I have Debain Linux in my Hard drive. and I have WinXP in HD. and that`s all
`17:21.13`	`LoRez`	`raf256: no, we don't give them time to`
`17:21.18`	`jbmigel`	`mwilson well im coming from visual studio and totally expect a comparable product in debian, I just need someone to tell me its name you know?`
`17:21.24`	`n0o0b`	`shingouz: (already installing Linux)`
`17:21.24`	`Whisky_`	`I can send messages to people but I dont receive messages sent to my address. I am using PostFix. Solutions ?`
`17:21.44`	`Manyfold`	`on the first start-up after install dmesg told me there is a syntax error in boottime.kmap.gz with symbol kappa so i gunzipped the file deleted kappa and zipped it again. the vc's now have german layout but the login shell and xdm still have us layout. and x-term wont start up . what should i do?`
`17:21.47`	`mwilson`	`jbmigel: What gave you the idea there was a a comparable product?`
`17:21.51`	`shingouz`	`n0o0b: you already had one solution suggested to you`
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`17:22.13`	`drac`	`Whisky_: Yep, fix your /etc/postfix/main.cf, read logs on /var/log. Without details you won't get any more help than that.`
`17:22.32`	`Whisky_`	`kl`
`17:22.41`	`mwilson`	`!kl`
`17:22.45`	`w0lph`	`;]`
`17:22.46`	`jbmigel`	`mwilson well how could there not be? Linux is written in C and I have a hard time believing they did it all in vi`
`17:22.56`	`mwilson`	`jbmigel: That's your problem.`
`17:23.00`	`stew`	`jbmigel: they used emacs too`
`17:23.08`	`jbmigel`	`rofl stew`
`17:23.20`	`sandip`	`jbmigel: You cant debug linux code using a normal IDE`
`17:23.21`	`stew`	`jbmigel: seriously, i wouldn't expect them to have used much else`
`17:23.24`	`mwilson`	`jbmigel: What you believe or don't believe has little or nothing to do with reality.`
`17:23.28`	`JRlinux`	`Debian Sarge new install. No sound. Eulex suggest apt-get install isapnptools, which I did... and then I extracted the files. BUT still do not find the`
`17:23.47`	`JRlinux`	`'pnpdump' or any apps, for that matter.`
`17:23.53`	`sandip`	`or any OS code for that matter.`
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`17:24.21`	`asg`	`JRlinux: dpkg -L <pkgname> will list what a package installed and where`
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`17:24.25`	`jbmigel`	`I dont believe you guys`
`17:24.44`	`JRlinux`	`asg thanks!`
`17:24.47`	`valdyn`	`jbmigel: "debuggers suck, real men use printk" ( or similar )`
`17:24.48`	`stew`	`jbmigel: ask ##linux then`
`17:24.48`	`mwilson`	`jbmigel: Whether or not you believe us has little to do with the reality of it, either.`
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`17:25.05`	`stew`	`jbmigel: or #kernelnewbies`
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`17:25.08`	`sandip`	`jbmigel: There are IDEs in Linux, but your comparison to coding the kernel was not appropriate`
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`17:25.21`	`kevin06`	`When attempting to start mysqld, I am prompted with 'Can't open privaledged tables: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found. I have no idea what I need to do to fix this, though I was told to check the readme, and still no clue.`
`17:25.22`	`abrotman`	`jbmigel: closest you'll get is Anjuta i think ..`
`17:25.25`	`xzakox`	`Please, help: http://channels.debian.net/paste/334`
`17:25.28`	`xzakox`	`tnks :-)`
`17:25.28`	`jbmigel`	`I have heard of kdevelop, eclipse is nice too, but i was hoping for a gtk one.`
`17:25.40`	`MasterYoda`	`jbmigel: there is anjuta`
`17:25.41`	`sandip`	`jbmigel: Try anjuta then`
`17:25.42`	`mwilson`	`jbmigel: Better get writing one, then.`
`17:25.43`	`abrotman`	`!anjuta`
`17:25.43`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, anjuta is a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net`
`17:25.53`	`MasterYoda`	`jbmigel: but I use gvim/vim :)`
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`17:26.01`	`jbmigel`	`mwilson i will write you one if you give me debugger first lol`
`17:26.07`	`abrotman`	`oh ffs`
`17:26.15`	`S0n1`	`what module i use pro php conect in SQL (windows)`
`17:26.17`	`abrotman`	`do i need to say it again?`
`17:26.22`	`S0n1`	`my php is in debian`
`17:26.22`	`asg`	`S0n1: php4-sybase`
`17:26.28`	`S0n1`	`i install`
`17:26.36`	`S0n1`	`but don't function`
`17:26.45`	`Manyfold`	`on the first start-up after install dmesg told me there is a syntax error in boottime.kmap.gz with symbol kappa so i gunzipped the file deleted kappa and zipped it again. the vc's now have german layout but the login shell and xdm still have us layout. and x-term wont start up . what should i do?`
`17:26.45`	`S0n1`	`asg : have more arquive? or configure?`
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`17:26.59`	`asg`	`S0n1: then verify that /etc/php4/*/php.ini has an 'extension=sybase.so' line in it and that that line is uncommented.`
`17:27.24`	`mwilson`	`Manyfold: Not deliberately break what you don't understand?`
`17:27.46`	`Hostile`	`will the winxp bootloader be able to load linux?`
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`17:27.53`	`asg`	`S0n1: make sure you fully restarted your apache daemon. Create a '<?phpinfo();?>' test page and verify that sybase is installed and listed in the output your receive when going to that page.`
`17:27.57`	`jbmigel`	`anjuta looks great ill give it a try, thanks MasterYoda and sandip! :)`
`17:28.25`	`asg`	`Hostile: it's possible but ugly and annoying; better of using lilo or grub.`
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`17:28.39`	`sandip`	`Hostile: It does for me`
`17:28.45`	`asg`	`s/of/off/`
`17:29.16`	`Manyfold`	`mwilson it's to late and it was a syntax error`
`17:29.17`	`Hostile`	`sandip, ok how do I use it?`
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`17:29.54`	`emilo`	`How can i find all files owned by a certain user?`
`17:30.01`	`mwilson`	`emilo: man find`
`17:30.05`	`sandip`	`Hostile: I installed grub in the /boot or / partition. And remember to set the windows partition active before rebooting`
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`17:30.36`	`Manyfold`	`no one here to help me :(`
`17:30.37`	`stew`	`i don't think having the windows partition active is important if you are booting with grub`
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`17:31.09`	`emilo`	`mwilson, i read that but i still cant figure it out`
`17:31.13`	`stew`	`Manyfold: what happens when you try to start xterm?`
`17:31.24`	`stew`	`emilo: try info find`
`17:31.31`	`sandip`	`Hostile: Either before rebooting you make a copy of the grub boot sector, or boot into windows and use an utility to read the grub sector to a file.`
`17:31.44`	`emilo`	`umm stew thats the same thing`
`17:31.57`	`stew`	`emilo: no it't not`
`17:31.59`	`Manyfold`	`nothing and as i can't get a shell i cannot strace`
`17:32.03`	`sandip`	`Hostile: Then edit ntldr in C:/ to add a new entry for linux.`
`17:32.09`	`Hostile`	`sandip, alright so there is no advantage because Im using lilo now...and using the winxp one Ill just have more of a delay going into linux because I still have to use lilo`
`17:32.20`	`stew`	`emilo: unless you did somehting wierd like set man to be your default infobrowser`
`17:32.21`	`emilo`	`stew, well has same info`
`17:32.29`	`sandip`	`Hostile: There is a howto on that somewhere . I have to dig it up.`
`17:32.51`	`Whisky_`	`drac: Do i need an SMTP server installed apart from PostFix ?`
`17:32.52`	`S0n1`	`asg : brow..`
`17:32.53`	`S0n1`	`[Mon Jul 11 14:35:51 2005] [error] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/htdocs/servicos/common/conexao_mysql.php on line 2`
`17:32.57`	`Hostile`	`sandip, alright let me know Ill bookmark it...dunno if Ill use it though`
`17:33.05`	`stew`	`emilo: what have you tried?`
`17:33.05`	`sandip`	`Hostile: I have gone though one experience where Windows for some reason overwrote my MBR. Since then in dual boots i use windows to boot`
`17:33.16`	`emilo`	`stew, find / -user username`
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`17:33.33`	`stew`	`emilo: thats correct`
`17:33.41`	`Hostile`	`sandip, Ive only had windows overwrite mine if I reinstall`
`17:33.43`	`sandip`	`Hostile: i dont boot my computer that often - about twice a month. so it doesnt matter`
`17:33.52`	`asg`	`S0n1: then it isn't installed. Check that there is an 'extension=sybase.so' entry in each /etc/php4/*/php.ini file.`
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`17:33.56`	`Hostile`	`sandip, I boot mine everyday`
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`17:34.06`	`emilo`	`stew, that doesn't find all the files though`
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`17:34.17`	`sandip`	`Hostile: ok. your call.`
`17:34.35`	`Hostile`	`sandip, whats it look like?`
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`17:34.48`	`stew`	`emilo: you think maybe you found a bug in find?`
`17:34.49`	`sandip`	`Hostile: what?`
`17:34.54`	`Hostile`	`sandip, the winxp loader`
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`17:35.04`	`emilo`	`nope`
`17:35.08`	`asg`	`S0n1: oh, it might be sybase_ct.so, use that instead.`
`17:35.23`	`sandip`	`Hostile: Just wo lines for me - similar to grub. one for winxp and another for linux`
`17:35.26`	`JRlinux`	`asg OK, found pnpdump and ran it. HUGE return of lines preceded by "#" . I have no idea what to do with that. None say "sound" or "blaster" or "creative." Obviously, I do not know how to use this tool.`
`17:35.31`	`sandip`	`Hostile: s/wo/two`
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`17:36.07`	`asg`	`JRlinux: well, I'd start with by asking whomever suggested that you use it.`
`17:36.18`	`Hostile`	`sandip, let me know if you find that tutorial`
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`17:36.32`	`JRlinux`	`asg, I will keep checking here to see if he joins; thanks.`
`17:36.37`	`asg`	`JRlinux: you're welcome`
`17:37.09`	`stew`	`JRlinux: you have an isa soundcard? or is it pci or onboard?`
`17:37.16`	`S0n1`	`Warning: mssql_connect(): Sybase: Unable to connect in /var/www/htdocs/servicos/common/conexao_mssql.php on line 2`
`17:37.22`	`S0n1`	`asg : this error now..`
`17:37.24`	`S0n1`	`Warning: mssql_connect(): Sybase: Unable to connect in /var/www/htdocs/servicos/common/conexao_mssql.php on line 2`
`17:37.31`	`S0n1`	`and user and password is all right`
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`17:37.42`	`asg`	`S0n1: again, did you check /etc/php4/*/php.ini?`
`17:37.50`	`JRlinux`	`stew I am told that i have an isa soundcard. I have not tried to peek at the hardware to confirm... yet.`
`17:37.53`	`S0n1`	`asg :`
`17:37.54`	`S0n1`	`extension=mysql.so`
`17:37.55`	`S0n1`	`extension=sybase_ct.so`
`17:37.55`	`S0n1`	`extension=sybase.so`
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`17:38.02`	`stew`	`JRlinux: have you tried lspci?`
`17:38.03`	`S0n1`	`have more?`
`17:38.10`	`asg`	`S0n1: no. Did you restart apache?`
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`17:38.16`	`S0n1`	`yep`
`17:38.19`	`JRlinux`	`stew, yes. No sound card listed there`
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`17:38.28`	`asg`	`S0n1: do you have more than one directory in /etc/php4/ ?`
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`17:38.31`	`greycat`	`JRlinux: try pnpdump next.`
`17:38.35`	`S0n1`	`cli`
`17:38.38`	`greycat`	`!find bin/pnpdump sarge`
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`17:38.54`	`gogo3or`	`hello how to put all files on server using ftp with paramter is for recrusive and all files from folder nad under this folder thx`
`17:39.01`	`asg`	`S0n1: this is an apache run page, not a /usr/bin/php4 run page right?`
`17:39.03`	`greycat`	`gogo3or: do. not. use. ftp.`
`17:39.08`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'bin/pnpdump' (1): (/usr/sbin/pnpdump) in base/isapnptools.`
`17:39.11`	`JRlinux`	`greycat, I just did, but I am too dense to understand what that huge list of lines preceded by "#" mean`
`17:39.24`	`gogo3or`	`greycat: why?`
`17:39.25`	`greycat`	`JRlinux: the only question that matters is whether it sees your sound card`
`17:39.39`	`greycat`	`gogo3or: tar cf - . \| ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -'`
`17:39.50`	`stew`	`!why does ftp suck`
`17:39.51`	`dpkg`	`Because your daddy hates ftp.`
`17:39.54`	`JRlinux`	`greycat, IF it finds the sound card, what will it say?`
`17:39.55`	`asg`	`gogo3or: everytime someone uses ftp, greycat kills a puppy`
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`17:40.35`	`S0n1`	`asg : i have install odbc?`
`17:40.52`	`gogo3or`	`greycat: yes i use this sommand always and I enjoy it but i have quota on hosting company`
`17:41.24`	`greycat`	`gogo3or: I love that command too, but I have a blue shirt on!`
`17:41.36`	`greycat`	`what the hell does your second statement have to do with the problem?`
`17:42.07`	`asg`	`S0n1: no, all you need is the php4 library extension loaded. That's it. The error you are getting indicates that php4 is not loading it or the documentation you are using for php4 is outdated or newer with regards to the function calls implemented in sybase_ct.so`
`17:42.14`	`asg`	`S0n1: btw, which debian version is this?`
`17:42.34`	`drac`	`Whisky_: Postfix is SMTP server.`
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`17:42.46`	`gogo3or`	`greycat: but this should firt tar this file on hd and after this send it to remote host?`
`17:42.54`	`greycat`	`gogo3or: it's a PIPE.`
`17:42.56`	`gogo3or`	`but first do a dump on local`
`17:42.58`	`gogo3or`	`a`
`17:43.00`	`gogo3or`	`ohh`
`17:43.06`	`JRlinux`	`greycat I did "find" on the return of pnpdump but found no entry in it that includes "sound" "blaster" or "Creative"`
`17:43.08`	`asg`	`pipes are the dogs bollacks`
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`17:43.19`	`Smoked1`	`hello #debian`
`17:43.28`	`greycat`	`JRlinux: hmm.`
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`17:43.43`	`Hiruko`	`okay`
`17:43.45`	`wers`	`i did a apt-get upgrade and somehow lost the modules for my wireless lan, that worked b4.. how can i get it back,, it says it cant find the modules`
`17:43.53`	`tarzeau`	`heh now that is a party: http://www.qolume.ch/gallery/chill-grill-kirchdorf/img_0259`
`17:44.09`	`stew`	`wers: what does uname -r say?`
`17:44.20`	`Smoked1`	`Where is a list of servers for my sources.list file?`
`17:44.23`	`Hiruko`	`I've googled this and have asked other people for advice on this, When trying to bring up eth0, i get the error 'sit0: unknown hardware address type 776'`
`17:44.29`	`JRlinux`	`greycat, I will pop the cover and see if my untutored eye can figure out anything...`
`17:44.29`	`asg`	`Smoked1: apt-setup`
`17:44.32`	`wers`	`Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`17:44.34`	`Smoked1`	`thanks`
`17:44.46`	`greycat`	`HP-UX imadev B.10.20 A 9000/785 2008897791 two-user license`
`17:45.01`	`asg`	`tarzeau: bah, that's weak.`
`17:45.02`	`Hiruko`	`I've tried to disable ipv6 like some have suggested, but it simply won't`
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`17:45.56`	`wers`	`stew.. any clues?`
`17:45.59`	`gogo3or`	`greycat: i don;t have blue t-shirt :D`
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`17:46.17`	`greycat`	`gogo3or: the pipe works independently of your garb`
`17:46.21`	`floyd_n_milan`	`is there any way to download the DVD other than jigdo?`
`17:46.22`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: I get a similar message on a (non-connected) firewire network device.`
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`17:46.25`	`Smoked1`	`in the sources.list file # comments things out?`
`17:46.29`	`greycat`	`Smoked1: yes`
`17:46.31`	`Hiruko`	`hmm`
`17:46.32`	`Smoked1`	`thanks`
`17:46.33`	`greycat`	`Smoked1: man sources.list`
`17:46.56`	`stew`	`wers: i don't know how an apt-get upgrade could have done that. what wireless card / modules are you using?`
`17:46.57`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: if you give 'ifconfig -a' do you see other devices?`
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`17:47.20`	`Hiruko`	`sit0 is there`
`17:47.31`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: the only device?`
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`17:47.37`	`Hiruko`	`It's link encap: ipv5-in-ipv4`
`17:47.37`	`Hiruko`	`no`
`17:47.40`	`wers`	`stew i use an integrated intelcard.. i used the ipw2200 module.. and that worked. but i cant load it now.`
`17:47.51`	`Hiruko`	`thre's also wlan0, lo and eth0`
`17:48.37`	`wers`	`stew ifconfig wlan0 says.. Device not found.`
`17:48.39`	`stew`	`wers: what happens when you modprobe ipw2200?`
`17:48.57`	`wers`	`stew.. it says. cant find module.`
`17:49.00`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: if you realy want to disable ipv6 this is the way: modify in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases the line containing 'alias net-pf-10 ipv6' to 'alias net-pf-10 off'`
`17:49.10`	`asg`	`!tell rift-wrk about away`
`17:49.11`	`stew`	`wers: did you just recently install a new kernel?`
`17:49.12`	`floyd_n_milan`	`is there any way to download the DVD for sarge other than jigdo?`
`17:49.19`	`wers`	`stew.. no.`
`17:49.23`	`Hiruko`	`let me see what i did`
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`17:49.39`	`wers`	`not that i know..`
`17:49.46`	`sobersabre`	`hi. how do i install sarge over serial keyboard... ?`
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`17:49.52`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: then reboot ( there is a way to do this without rebooting, something like update modules, but I'm not shure about it_`
`17:50.03`	`wers`	`if my apt-get upgrade upgradaded my kernelimage too...`
`17:50.04`	`Hiruko`	`ok`
`17:50.08`	`greycat`	`sobersabre: it's not covered in the install guide?`
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`17:50.19`	`S0n1`	`asg: do you install php4-sybase?`
`17:50.35`	`sobersabre`	`hm... sorry, i've just bought a ticket to the install guide`
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`17:50.41`	`asg`	`S0n1: I have it on a woody box. It works and has for years now.`
`17:50.44`	`Hiruko`	`Kk rebooting`
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`17:50.49`	`stew`	`wers: you need to install a new ipw2200 if you got a new kernel`
`17:51.00`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: crossing fingers? ;-)`
`17:51.01`	`sandip`	`Hostile: http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm and the windows utility is bootpart`
`17:51.16`	`stew`	`wers: /msg dpkg ipw2200`
`17:51.21`	`Hiruko`	`all 11`
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`17:51.38`	`netman1`	`;-)`
`17:51.39`	`Hiruko`	`lol`
`17:52.00`	`Hiruko`	`i hope ipv6 interfering was the problem`
`17:52.01`	`wers`	`stew thanx alot`
`17:52.09`	`Hiruko`	`hm`
`17:52.27`	`Hiruko`	`do you know why my keyboard won't work on startup? this is on a laptop, i figured out i have to press shift to get it to work`
`17:52.36`	`Hiruko`	`i found that key randomly`
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`17:53.09`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: no idea, have my own problems with (usb) keyboards`
`17:53.37`	`Hiruko`	`okay ^_^`
`17:53.51`	`Hiruko`	`hmm kernel 2.4 supported some things better I think`
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`17:53.57`	`Hostile`	`hey sandip you there?`
`17:54.02`	`netman1`	`Hiruko:no sit0?`
`17:54.06`	`Hiruko`	`but i'm new to this, so i could be wrong`
`17:54.09`	`Hiruko`	`um booting up now`
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`17:54.17`	`sandip`	`Hostile: yes?`
`17:54.31`	`Hostile`	`sandip I set up boot.ini...but how do I make it install it to the MBR`
`17:54.38`	`Hostile`	`now its only installed to the windows partition`
`17:54.55`	`sandip`	`Hostile: you dont have to do any thing more.`
`17:55.08`	`Hostile`	`sandip well its not in the MBR`
`17:55.10`	`Hostile`	`lilo still is`
`17:55.11`	`sandip`	`Hostile: just like you dont have to rerun grub after editing grub.conf`
`17:55.18`	`Hiruko`	`okay no ipv6 now`
`17:55.28`	`sandip`	`Hostile: oh, you have to reinstall the original windows MBR first.`
`17:55.36`	`Hostile`	`sandip: correct`
`17:55.38`	`Hostile`	`sandip but how?`
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`17:55.43`	`sandip`	`Hostile: I am not sure but "fdisk /mbr" should do.`
`17:55.46`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: Ok.`
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`17:56.08`	`sandip`	`Hostile: but before you do please please check on the net`
`17:56.15`	`Hiruko`	`okay good, the wired network works great now ^_^`
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`17:56.20`	`Hiruko`	`now for the wireless`
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`17:56.33`	`Hiruko`	`is there a new wpa_supplicant for the 2.6 kernel?`
`17:56.53`	`sandip`	`Hostile: maybe windows xp has changed things. i remember reading that you need the rescue cd to do that. there is a windows xp rescure cd iso floating around . i found it in google`
`17:56.58`	`Smoked1`	`What package should I select to install apache 1.3? I may want to use ssl down the road but the last time i installed apache-ssl I had problems getting the server to take connection on port 80.`
`17:57.01`	`netman1`	`Hiruko: Haven't the faintest idea what you ar talking about.`
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`17:57.52`	`Hostile`	`sandip ok Ill be bacl`
`17:57.54`	`Hostile`	`back*`
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`17:58.28`	`sandip`	`Hiroku: I dont kknow about Sarge, but when I installed ubuntu a few weeks back, the package wpa_supplicant worked`
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`17:59.00`	`sandip`	`Hiroku: are you facing a problem in existing wpa_supplicant?`
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`17:59.49`	`Hiruko`	`no`
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`18:00.00`	`Hiruko`	`I had that working fine in the 2.4 kernel`
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`18:00.03`	`Hiruko`	`so that's configured fine`
`18:00.17`	`Hiruko`	`um i have the 2.6 ndiswrapper installed`
`18:00.48`	`sandip`	`I always try to use the latest ipw2200 code. Generally problems appear there.`
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`18:01.24`	`sandip`	`Hiroku: ndiswrapper for ipw2200?`
`18:01.29`	`Hiruko`	`no`
`18:01.32`	`Hiruko`	`broadcom`
`18:01.37`	`sandip`	`oh ok`
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`18:01.43`	`Hiruko`	`I have the right driver and it's installed`
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`18:01.54`	`Hiruko`	`now i just need to know why it's not working with this kernel ^_^`
`18:02.08`	`sobersabre`	`greycat, well i haven't found how can i boot with serial keyboard.`
`18:02.46`	`sobersabre`	`what is the maximum memory per process in linux ?`
`18:03.04`	`sobersabre`	`( this one is unrelated to the previous one )`
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`18:04.12`	`greycat`	`sobersabre: ulimit -a`
`18:04.25`	`greycat`	`it's probably arch-specific`
`18:05.01`	`visik7`	`is there a site that list mantainer orphan packages ?`
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`18:05.33`	`asg`	`S0n1: according to that page, it is configured.`
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`18:05.44`	`sobersabre`	`greycat, no.`
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`18:06.14`	`sobersabre`	`let's assume i have it undefinde. or 0 ( unlimited )`
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`18:06.33`	`sobersabre`	`how much mem can i allocate ?`
`18:06.38`	`greycat`	`try it.`
`18:06.41`	`sobersabre`	`( let's say i have 16GB )`
`18:06.43`	`greycat`	`I bet you it's arch-specific.`
`18:06.43`	`sobersabre`	`no.`
`18:06.45`	`withdraw`	`how do get a newer version of kismet over apt-get`
`18:06.55`	`withdraw`	`do i just have to compileit myself`
`18:06.58`	`nvz`	`well it feels good to know I've gotten one of the best jobs in available in the area. brand new building for a brand new subsidiary of the FedEx Ground. pays weekly, easy as all hell, and its right across the street I can walk to work :P`
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`18:06.59`	`csdgp_`	`visik7: see the "Help Debian" link off of the main page`
`18:06.59`	`greycat`	`I bet you you can get more on an amd64 than you can on m68k.`
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`18:07.13`	`asg`	`withdraw: /msg dpkg simple sid backport`
`18:07.13`	`sobersabre`	`greycat, there still must be some "policy"`
`18:07.22`	`greycat`	`"must"?`
`18:07.27`	`greycat`	`what is this word "must" of which you speak?`
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`18:07.39`	`greycat`	`isn't that when something's damp and smelly?`
`18:07.55`	`raf256`	`I would like to compile by hand kernel. 1) get kernel.org 2.6 2) get kernel-patch-2.6.12 3)... should I apply some Debian-specyfic kernel patches?`
`18:08.00`	`sobersabre`	`greycat, then it is undef... which is the juiciest`
`18:08.21`	`greycat`	`must \must\, musth \musth\(m[u^]st), a. [Hind. mast intoxicated, ruttish, fr. Skr. matta, p.p. of mad to rejoice, intoxicate.] (Zool.) Being in a condition of dangerous frenzy, usually connected with sexual excitement; -- said of adult male elephants which become so at irregular intervals, typicaly due to increased testosterone levels. -- n.`
`18:08.24`	`Smoked1`	`What apache 1.3 package do you guys suggest? apache or apache-ssl?`
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`18:08.40`	`nvz`	`Smoked1: that depends, do you want apache or apache-ssl? :P`
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`18:09.05`	`sobersabre`	`i've read something about the "overcommit_ratio" and "overcommit_memory"`
`18:09.06`	`greycat`	`raf256: if you get 2.6 from kernel.org you don't need patch-2.6.12`
`18:09.22`	`Smoked1`	`I want to use ssl but the last time i installed appache-ssl I had a hard time getting it to use port 80`
`18:09.22`	`Hiruko`	`anyone know why wireless through ndiswrapper would stop working between kernel 2.4 and 2.6?`
`18:09.25`	`greycat`	`patch-2.6.12 is from kernel.org, and it's how you get from 2.6.11 to .12 if you already had 2.6.11.`
`18:09.29`	`greycat`	`unless they changed that, too.`
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`18:09.41`	`asg`	`Smoked1: then use apache + libapache-mod-ssl`
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`18:10.10`	`Smoked1`	`asg: thanks. That is what I will do`
`18:10.31`	`loka`	`bus co chico simpatico`
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`18:10.44`	`greycat`	`loka: go away.`
`18:11.10`	`greycat`	`there aren't any nice boys here.`
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`18:11.22`	`nvz`	`heh`
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`18:13.36`	`sobersabre`	`apache q.`
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`18:14.30`	`sobersabre`	`running apache over ssl gave me this in the logs: [Sun Jul 10 11:08:08 2005] [info] Loading certificate & private key of SSL-aware server`
`18:14.41`	`sobersabre`	`and then apache dies... without a word`
`18:14.49`	`sobersabre`	`apache2`
`18:14.59`	`nvz`	`Hiruko: nope, but I believe you owe greycat money`
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`18:15.46`	`Hiruko`	`aww`
`18:15.49`	`Hiruko`	`why`
`18:15.50`	`Hiruko`	`:(`
`18:15.52`	`greycat`	`!works in 2.4`
`18:15.53`	`dpkg`	`Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat.`
`18:15.54`	`nvz`	`!worked in 2.4`
`18:15.54`	`dpkg`	`Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat.`
`18:15.56`	`Hiruko`	`wtf`
`18:16.00`	`nvz`	`heh`
`18:16.03`	`Hiruko`	`um`
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`18:16.13`	`Hiruko`	`I just said that so I could point out that it is configured properly.`
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`18:18.27`	`Hiruko`	`so that's all you can do?`
`18:18.30`	`Hiruko`	`you can't help me?`
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`18:18.50`	`Daknet`	`some apps have a bad look...is this due to GTK theme?`
`18:18.59`	`tarzeau`	`Daknet: it's gtk apps?`
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`18:19.02`	`greycat`	`maybe it's because they're ugly.`
`18:19.06`	`tarzeau`	`Daknet: gtk1 or 2? most probably,`
`18:19.16`	`Daknet`	`azureus, limewire`
`18:19.20`	`tarzeau`	`Daknet: did you calibrate your display gamma?`
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`18:19.29`	`nvz`	`Hiruko: I don't much even know what ndiswrapper is, but I figure its a kernel module of some kind, and would need to be recompiled if you change kernels`
`18:19.30`	`stew`	`Daknet: those are java apps, blame sun`
`18:19.35`	`RichiH`	`Daknet: azureus is java`
`18:19.43`	`RichiH`	`all java apps are ugly by default`
`18:19.47`	`giulio`	`Hello, i have just installed sarge but i have a problem with xsane an my crap hp4470c scanner. I don't understand to what user group i need to belong to in order to use it.`
`18:19.48`	`tarzeau`	`full ack`
`18:19.51`	`jetx`	`!madwifi`
`18:19.51`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install'`
`18:19.55`	`nvz`	`Hiruko: you cannot just transport binary dynamic modules from one kernel to the next`
`18:20.03`	`jetx`	`!ndiswrapper`
`18:20.04`	`dpkg`	`ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers.`
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`18:20.15`	`tarzeau`	`RichiH: they also have some sort of inner uglyness`
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`18:20.25`	`greycat`	`tarzeau: that's the bloat you're seeing.`
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`18:20.31`	`RichiH`	`giulio: ls -l /dev/deviceofcourdriver`
`18:20.32`	`Hiruko`	`oh right, i have to reinstall it, forgot about that`
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`18:20.46`	`Hiruko`	`meh in any case my wired network isn't working`
`18:20.47`	`Hiruko`	`so meh`
`18:20.47`	`RichiH`	`greycat: you mean the app is close to bursting?`
`18:21.05`	`Daknet`	`ok, but gdm has a bad look to if I use it in non graphical interface...why?`
`18:21.07`	`greycat`	`RichiH: it never bursts... the ugliness just sort of shines through.`
`18:21.25`	`RichiH`	`greycat: ah`
`18:21.36`	`RichiH`	`greycat: like a sheet paper that has become fatty?`
`18:21.36`	`rob_lt`	`Hi. How would I diagnose my usb mouse freezing up? If left unattended, when I come back to my laptop the mouse is unresponsive.`
`18:21.39`	`greycat`	`Daknet: how do you use gdm if you're not in a "graphical interface"?`
`18:21.39`	`RichiH`	`fat like java bloat`
`18:21.47`	`jetx`	`Daknet: change the theme`
`18:21.52`	`RichiH`	`rob_lt: dmesg, usbview`
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`18:22.09`	`Daknet`	`how can I change gtk theme?`
`18:22.15`	`rob_lt`	`a ctrl-alt-f2 and then alt-f7 brings it back. This is on an up-to-date etch machine running the latest 2.6.11 kernel.`
`18:22.15`	`Smoked1`	`I usually use sendmail on freebsd. Is exim4 pretty good or should I switch to postfix. I have never used iether of them`
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`18:22.40`	`jetx`	`Daknet: it's in the settings on the gdm window, or you can (to make it 'stick') edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf`
`18:22.40`	`rob_lt`	`Daknet, what window manager are you using?`
`18:23.04`	`rob_lt`	`jetx, I think he's asking about gtk, not gdm`
`18:23.05`	`jetx`	`Daknet: i use 'Nuvola' on gdm myself`
`18:23.07`	`jetx`	`o`
`18:23.11`	`Daknet`	`how can I know what windows manager I'm using?`
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`18:23.33`	`jetx`	`well you can apply gtk themes to gdm :(`
`18:23.38`	`greycat`	`Daknet: ps uxw \| less`
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`18:23.46`	`greycat`	`(note the lack of 'a')`
`18:23.46`	`kopeck`	`Is there an install issue with the stable Netinstall CD ("Couldn't download libnewt0.5.1")?`
`18:23.54`	`kopeck`	`or is it just me?`
`18:23.57`	`rob_lt`	`Daknet, do you use gnome?`
`18:24.00`	`nvz`	`kopeck: mostly you.`
`18:24.05`	`mwilson`	`It's just you.`
`18:24.07`	`nvz`	`kopeck: but more the mirror you are using`
`18:24.09`	`jetx`	`kopeck: try again works for me`
`18:24.11`	`nvz`	`likely`
`18:24.12`	`mwilson`	`Use another mirror.`
`18:24.13`	`Daknet`	`gnome and kde (now kde)`
`18:24.50`	`rob_lt`	`Daknet, in gnome: applications -> desktop preferences -> theme`
`18:24.55`	`jetx`	`it's mostly... but more something else`
`18:24.56`	`kopeck`	`nvz: this is the base system, wouldn't that be on the CD?`
`18:25.16`	`nvz`	`kopeck: I don;t know.. you tell me.. you're the one who made the cd`
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`18:25.22`	`jetx`	`it will try to d/l a newer if available`
`18:25.24`	`mofino`	`Hey guys, where can I get the "business card" iso?`
`18:25.25`	`Daknet`	`thanks, but...could you explaine me what is GTK?`
`18:25.26`	`rob_lt`	`Daknet, there is also this: http://plasmasturm.org/code/gtk-chtheme/`
`18:25.26`	`nvz`	`kopeck: some netinstalls have base, some don't`
`18:25.32`	`jetx`	`Daknet: gtk.org`
`18:25.39`	`Daknet`	`yes...`
`18:25.43`	`nvz`	`kopeck: you said "download" which implies it was from a package mirror`
`18:25.44`	`jetx`	`go there`
`18:26.11`	`rob_lt`	`Daknet, gtk is what your window widgets look like.... the buttons, combo boxes, etc.`
`18:26.28`	`Daknet`	`ok...`
`18:26.28`	`nvz`	`kopeck: if it were on a cd, thats called a "copy" proceedure. the difference between a copy and a download is that one happens locally and the other happens remotely`
`18:26.31`	`kopeck`	`nvz: fair enough, this is a CD with the base on it. I was quoteing the debian installer...`
`18:26.35`	`rob_lt`	`kopeck, I used the netinstall CD to install sarge 3 times yesterday without issue.`
`18:27.03`	`nvz`	`I've used it countless times to install various people and had no issues what so ever`
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`18:28.02`	`kopeck`	`nvz: I know the difference, I've installed debian countless times too.`
`18:28.31`	`nvz`	`kopeck: that package you mentioned is doesnt exist anywhere, especially in debian or debian stable`
`18:28.38`	`jetx`	`then it's the fucking morror`
`18:28.43`	`jetx`	`mirror even`
`18:28.46`	`nvz`	`no its non-existant`
`18:29.00`	`nvz`	`the package is called libnewt0.51 not libnewt0.5.1`
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`18:29.02`	`jetx`	`well ok the mirror doesn't have it... :)`
`18:29.24`	`kopeck`	`nvz: well I'm quoteing debian installer from a netinstall cd that I downloaded/burned today.`
`18:29.27`	`nvz`	`and yes, its base`
`18:30.14`	`Whisky_`	`Do i need an SMTP server installed apart from PostFix ?`
`18:30.27`	`nvz`	`kopeck: you apperently downloaded an unofficial image or something.. you are quoting stuff that no debian user has ever seen before. using terminology that doesnt fit within the context its being used, with package names that do not exist`
`18:30.40`	`jetx`	`think so, but you should have one Whisky_ , they come by default (exim4)\`
`18:30.45`	`kopeck`	`nvz: "Debbootstrap Error: Couldn't download libnewt0.51."`
`18:31.02`	`kopeck`	`nvz: from cdimages.debian.org?`
`18:31.21`	`nvz`	`now you are showing incosistancy with your qouting`
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`18:31.43`	`sobersabre`	`which chan is for pasting ?`
`18:31.48`	`sobersabre`	`flood ?`
`18:31.53`	`asg`	`sobersabre: #flood or /msg dpkg paste`
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`18:32.09`	`nvz`	`qouting means to copy something said verbatim.. and thus quoting the same thing countless times, should never show a difference, or its called paraphrasing`
`18:32.24`	`mwilson`	`nvz: You have to understand... it's very important that he not be consistent.`
`18:32.51`	`sethw`	`does anyone know what the absolute smallest memory footprint window manager is that includes the debian menu? I'm using flwm now & I like it but I wonder if there is anything smaller.`
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`18:33.11`	`mwilson`	`sethw: Why would you need something smaller?`
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`18:33.46`	`sethw`	`I don't, but I have a 333Mhz machine with 160MB ram, and I'd like to maximize it as much as possible.`
`18:33.49`	`kopeck`	`Ah yes, on dot out of place, sorry about that, I think I'll work this one out my self, I really only wanted to know if there was an error on the CD.`
`18:34.14`	`nvz`	`kopeck: then you should have asked, and we would have told you to checksum it`
`18:34.17`	`clojster`	`is there some repository or just packages of new alsa for sarge? I want 2.6.12 kernel but with standard sagre als-utils I cannot control volume of some channels...`
`18:34.26`	`jetx`	`kopeck: yeah run an md5sum on it`
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`18:34.35`	`mwilson`	`kopeck: And of course actually looking at the CD for yourself, especially since you have it there and we don't, is something you'd never do.`
`18:34.39`	`nvz`	`kopeck: which most people do when they burn an ISO.. my burn program does it automaticalyl when I select the image`
`18:34.54`	`jetx`	`nvz uses k3b!`
`18:35.00`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: just use /ignore instead of biting remarks... it's easier.`
`18:35.11`	`nvz`	`kopeck: and if it were an official image, the checksum would have been provided on the download site`
`18:35.22`	`jetx`	`then he wouldn't be the mwilson we all know and love...`
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`18:35.41`	`Hiruko`	`is there another dhcp tool?`
`18:35.42`	`nvz`	`we are just trying to make users realize the real issues`
`18:35.51`	`Hiruko`	`dhcp client could be a problem here`
`18:35.55`	`nvz`	`we don't simply get off on bitching`
`18:36.03`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: It's amazing how much man's reasoning ability has actually declined in the last few years.`
`18:36.11`	`TiCe`	`hi, I've just upgraded a machine to the new debian stable 3.1. It had trouble executing Lilo and now there's nothing in my /boot. Is there anybody here who could give me some pointers (i'm not very experienced with troubleshooting linux)?`
`18:36.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: nah, it's just that we're aproaching the true median the widerspread technology gets.`
`18:36.38`	`jetx`	`it's genetics. there is no more survival of the fittest, it's survival of the weakest.`
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`18:36.49`	`user_ruser`	`is there a 64 bit veriosn of debian?`
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`18:36.58`	`nvz`	`jetx: yeah I have taken a liking to k3b.. I especially like to blast my speakers when I hit burn, position them under my brothers desk and then leave..`
`18:36.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`anyway, that whole subject is way OT`
`18:37.02`	`tarzeau`	`user_ruser: sure for mips`
`18:37.04`	`tarzeau`	`user_ruser: and alpha`
`18:37.09`	`nvz`	`jetx: I find it funny`
`18:37.12`	`tarzeau`	`user_ruser: since many years`
`18:37.12`	`user_ruser`	`tarzeau and athlon?`
`18:37.13`	`jetx`	`revile`
`18:37.16`	`tarzeau`	`user_ruser: what's that?`
`18:37.17`	`mwilson`	`tarzeau: PPC64, too, or did that never happen?`
`18:37.20`	`stew`	`!amd64`
`18:37.20`	`dpkg`	`well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq`
`18:37.28`	`tarzeau`	`mwilson: not sure, but sparc i think (at least the kernel)`
`18:37.37`	`jetx`	`reville?`
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`18:38.11`	`nvz`	`oh well, I am going to go aggrivate someone in person for awhile.. then probably make some lunch.`
`18:38.30`	`kopeck`	`wow, I guess I stepped on a few toes. Maybe we can all does this again tomororw?`
`18:38.43`	`user_ruser`	`thanks`
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`18:39.07`	`plugwash`	`can anyone remember how to make php work with apache on debian?`
`18:39.23`	`stew`	`plugwash: apt-get install php4`
`18:39.28`	`jetx`	`enable it`
`18:39.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`plugwash: install the php module. That's basically it.`
`18:39.32`	`pureone`	`plugwash : grep php /etc/apache/httpd.conf`
`18:39.41`	`plugwash`	`the module is installed and in modules.conf and i uncommented the addtype lines but it still doesn't work`
`18:39.48`	`pureone`	`hmmm`
`18:39.56`	`alexpj`	`libapache-mod-php4 (module)`
`18:40.01`	`stew`	`plugwash: what are the symptoms?`
`18:40.06`	`plugwash`	`debian:/var/www# grep php /etc/apache/httpd.conf`
`18:40.06`	`plugwash`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:40.06`	`plugwash`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:40.06`	`plugwash`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:40.06`	`plugwash`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:40.07`	`rob_lt`	`Ok, my mouse just froze again (it's frozen right now). I did a dmesg while it was still active, and doing a dmesg now shows nothing new. Also, lsusb still shows the device.`
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`18:40.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell plugwash -about doesn't work`
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`18:40.34`	`plugwash`	`stew the browser thinks its downloading a php file`
`18:40.35`	`stew`	`s/doens't work/flood/`
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`18:40.48`	`stew`	`plugwash: do you ahve the php4 AddType lines uncommented?`
`18:40.59`	`plugwash`	`yes`
`18:41.08`	`jetx`	`13.39.41 plugwash the module is installed and in modules.conf and i uncommented the addtype lines but it still doesn't work`
`18:41.11`	`SDFH_Linux`	`does debian have ndiswrapper-utils?`
`18:41.18`	`sethw`	`rob_lt: try ctrl+alt+F2 then ctrl+alt+F7. It unfreezes my mouse.`
`18:41.26`	`pablum`	`!64bit`
`18:41.26`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, 64bit is http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ and http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/`
`18:41.27`	`pipeline`	`SDFH_Linux: Yeah, I think the package name is just ndiswrapper.`
`18:41.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`plugwash: and you've restarted apache?`
`18:41.33`	`SDFH_Linux`	`k`
`18:41.36`	`asg`	`SDFH_Linux: check in contrib`
`18:41.42`	`pablum`	`any others?`
`18:41.46`	`rob_lt`	`sethw, right, that's what I have to do, but it is freezing every 10 minutes and I'm tired of doing that. Thanks for the suggestion though.`
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`18:41.52`	`asg`	`SDFH_Linux: nevermind, that package is in main`
`18:42.00`	`plugwash`	`dondelelcaro yep`
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`18:42.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`plugwash: what does lynx -dump -head http://localhost\|grep Server; return?`
`18:42.41`	`rob_lt`	`The thing is, I was using a previous version of 2.6.11-686, and upgraded to the lastest one today and the problem returned. I think the current 2.6.11 is built against 2.6.11-7`
`18:42.47`	`SDFH_Linux`	`ok thanks`
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`18:42.56`	`sethw`	`rob_lt: there must be some cron-like process that's resetting it. Mine does it whenever my computer sleeps.`
`18:43.01`	`plugwash`	`dondelelcaro it returns lynx: command not found`
`18:43.16`	`ircdevil`	`say, do there exist web-crawlers spamming guestbooks ?`
`18:43.19`	`plugwash`	`installing it`
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`18:43.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`plugwash: install lynx or LWP or something that can show head requests`
`18:43.34`	`resiak`	`ircdevil: Yes, amazingly :)`
`18:43.51`	`plugwash`	`dondelelcaro installing lynx now`
`18:44.02`	`tarzeau`	`ircdevil: there's even web crawlers on irc!`
`18:44.06`	`sethw`	`how do I read /usr/share/doc//.gz without gunzipping them?`
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`18:44.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`sethw: zless`
`18:44.11`	`tarzeau`	`sethw: zless`
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`18:44.18`	`sethw`	`thanks!`
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`18:44.20`	`ircdevil`	`resiak: tarzeau: amazing`
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`18:44.27`	`plugwash`	`or pipr the output of gunzip into less`
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`18:44.45`	`tarzeau`	`plugwash: i wish i could pipe it into a browser`
`18:44.50`	`ircdevil`	`so, how do one prevent crawlers from spamming your guest book?`
`18:44.51`	`resiak`	`sethw: Also look into lesspipe`
`18:44.54`	`tarzeau`	`but most browsers suck so much they don't even take html from stdin`
`18:45.02`	`plugwash`	`debian:/var/www# lynx -dump -head http://localhost\|grep Server;`
`18:45.02`	`plugwash`	`Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-15`
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`18:45.38`	`Spliffster`	`ircdevil: try using a robots.txt`
`18:45.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`plugwash: ok, and grep -i php /etc/mime.types ?`
`18:45.47`	`K`	`s/debian/gentoo/;`
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`18:45.55`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
`18:46.02`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@S0106000fb5a0a365.vc.shawcable.net] by dondelelcaro`
`18:46.07`	`greycat`	`imadev:~$ echo -e 'HEAD / HTTP/1.1\nHost: wooledge.org\n' \| nc wooledge.org 80 \| grep Server`
`18:46.08`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`18:46.10`	`greycat`	`Server: Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) PHP/4.3.11 mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7d`
`18:46.18`	`mike-m`	`\n\r!`
`18:46.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`fuck that`
`18:46.28`	`raf256`	`dondelelcaro: was it for "<K>" ?`
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`18:46.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`raf256: yes.`
`18:46.36`	`raf256`	`dondelelcaro: lol`
`18:46.55`	`kingsley_`	`What is "ACPI" an abbreviation for?`
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`18:46.59`	`greycat`	`!acpi`
`18:46.59`	`dpkg`	`i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/`
`18:47.02`	`J_P`	`hi all`
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`18:47.20`	`tarzeau`	`hi J_P`
`18:47.21`	`J_P`	`people, anyone can tell me one good online project manager as dotproject ?`
`18:47.26`	`kingsley_`	`greycat Thank you.`
`18:47.27`	`plugwash`	`dondelelcaro http://rafb.net/paste/results/j8ejeS75.html`
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`18:50.10`	`plugwash`	`hmm it seems to be a browser cache issue`
`18:50.29`	`kingsley_`	`Has anyone else noticed a hung VT7 when logging into xscreensaver and "apm: overridden by ACPI" in the /var/log/messages file of a desktop (not a laptop) system using kernel version 2.6.8-1-k7?`
`18:50.35`	`Whisky_`	`What is the name for the package for IMAP and POP3 ?`
`18:50.38`	`plugwash`	`yep itw working now`
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`18:50.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`aka PEBKAC.`
`18:50.49`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: Server or client?`
`18:50.49`	`asg`	`Whisky_: there are many, it depends on which you want.`
`18:50.50`	`plugwash`	`after i cleared browser cache`
`18:50.59`	`kingsley_`	`Whisky_ apt-cache search imap pop3`
`18:51.12`	`greycat`	`Whisky_: those would be separate packages normally`
`18:51.15`	`plugwash`	`one annoying thing about firefox is that you can only force bypass cache if you can get firefox to show a page at the url`
`18:51.26`	`Whisky_`	`kl`
`18:51.44`	`plugwash`	`if it goes to download it never makes it to the status bar and therefore can't be shift+refreshed to bypass cache`
`18:52.04`	`resiak`	`!lart firebadger for being shite`
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`18:52.20`	`redvexy`	`salve`
`18:52.20`	`Whisky_`	`perdition - POP3 and IMAP4 Proxy server`
`18:52.23`	`Whisky_`	`is this ok ?`
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`18:52.30`	`asg`	`resiak: ewww, dampbadger now`
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`18:52.33`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: What are you trying to do?`
`18:52.34`	`greycat`	`Whisky_: read its description`
`18:53.05`	`Whisky_`	`resiak: Use Squirrelmail to send/receive mail. I am having trouble receiving emails too. Cant receive, can send only.`
`18:53.18`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: Set up your mta`
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`18:53.33`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: Alternatively, use fetchmail to fetch the email.`
`18:53.44`	`kingsley_`	`Is there a way to "wake up" a virtual terminal which appears to be hung by buggy Advance Power Management / APCI`
`18:53.55`	`Whisky_`	`resiak: I use PostFix. Its configured though :/`
`18:53.55`	`kingsley_`	`s/$/?/`
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`18:53.59`	`dondelelcaro`	`kingsley_: kill off the login on it`
`18:54.24`	`Whisky_`	`resiak: Fetchmail? Is that the answer to receiving mails some other way or does it incorporate IMAP and/or POP3 ?`
`18:54.25`	`kingsley_`	`dondelelcaro: Which "it" should be killed?`
`18:54.52`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: RTFM`
`18:55.05`	`greycat`	`!mail tutorial`
`18:55.05`	`dpkg`	`mail tutorial is, like, at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html`
`18:55.06`	`Whisky_`	`!aolify resiak`
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`18:55.20`	`kingsley_`	`dondelelcaro: Ah, I think I understand what you mean.`
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`18:57.53`	`kingsley_`	`dondelelcaro: No luck. VT7 has kdm and fvwm. No logon.`
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`19:04.31`	`distempr`	`Is there an openoffice discussion channel?`
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`19:04.42`	`tarzeau`	`distempr: there used to be #debian-oo or so`
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`19:05.25`	`Daknet`	`How can I add a voice to the gnome menu?`
`19:05.37`	`tarzeau`	`Daknet: i doubt you can`
`19:05.37`	`greycat`	`there's #debian-oo and #openoffice.org`
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`19:05.46`	`RichiH`	`greycat: bah, you type too fast`
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`19:06.13`	`greycat`	`!typing too damn fast`
`19:06.13`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, typing too damn fast is what greycat does`
`19:06.26`	`distempr`	`tarzeau: thanks, seems there's still some idlers in there.`
`19:06.33`	`distempr`	`greycat: thanks.`
`19:06.36`	`Daknet`	`Under kde is possible (there is a menu editor)...is there an equivalent app for gnome?`
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`19:06.43`	`tarzeau`	`distempr: they are very helpful over there`
`19:06.50`	`rick50`	`hi, i developed a problem with my pacific digital cd-rw drive and aptitude using debian kernel 2.8.6`
`19:07.08`	`resiak`	`Daknet: IIRC the Gnome people don't think you need to edit the menu :)`
`19:07.12`	`tarzeau`	`i wants a 2.8.6 kernel too`
`19:07.28`	`rbochan`	`!unstable`
`19:07.28`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid`
`19:07.28`	`rick50`	`i sometimes get read errors and then i can no longer eject a cd`
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`19:07.35`	`greycat`	`by then, they'll simply have admitted that there is no stable series.`
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`19:07.45`	`sethw`	`Daknet: the best for all debian is the .menu directory`
`19:07.48`	`Geekitus`	`hi all`
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`19:08.05`	`Smoked1`	`Why do many of the users created durring the install have a valid shell?`
`19:08.10`	`Daknet`	`I'd like to add azureus to the menu so it will be easy to start it...only this!`
`19:08.10`	`wintix`	`if i switch to an amd 64bit system are there 64 bit repositories or something?`
`19:08.13`	`rick50`	`i can mount the cd if there is one in the drive and read it though i cannot use the eject button to eject the cd`
`19:08.23`	`rick50`	`anyone else experience this?`
`19:08.49`	`greycat`	`you have to umount it before you it can be ejected`
`19:08.51`	`Mr-R`	`rick50: umount it first`
`19:08.53`	`wintix`	`rick50: you have to unmount it.`
`19:08.57`	`rick50`	`the only way i found to solve the problem is to reboot`
`19:08.59`	`Geekitus`	`i need to install a local package (.deb) to have internet with my computer, please, how to install a local package ....`
`19:09.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 625] by debhelper`
`19:09.06`	`resiak`	`Geekitus: man dpkg`
`19:09.09`	`Schiz0`	`Geekitus- use dpkg`
`19:09.10`	`Smoked1`	`Even the user nobody has a shell`
`19:09.16`	`Geekitus`	`thanks`
`19:09.20`	`rick50`	`wintix: i did unmount it first`
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`19:09.30`	`RichiH`	`!unstable =~ s/system! /system! /`
`19:09.30`	`dpkg`	`OK, RichiH`
`19:09.41`	`wintix`	`rick50: try eject /dev/cdrom or something.`
`19:09.41`	`Daknet`	`where is the .menu dir?`
`19:09.47`	`RichiH`	`!unstable =~ s/not stable /not stable. /`
`19:09.47`	`dpkg`	`RichiH: OK`
`19:09.53`	`rbochan`	`Geekitus: you should read this... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html`
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`19:10.40`	`RichiH`	`!unstable =~ s/shouldn't. /shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) /`
`19:10.40`	`dpkg`	`RichiH: OK`
`19:10.47`	`RichiH`	`!unstable`
`19:10.47`	`dpkg`	`i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid`
`19:10.48`	`rick50`	`wintix: thanks, never knew there was an eject command`
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`19:12.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`also, eject -t pulls the tray backin`
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`19:12.20`	`rbochan`	`no shit?`
`19:12.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`!shit`
`19:12.32`	`dpkg`	`from memory, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit.`
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`19:13.00`	`rbochan`	`I wasn't aware of that switch :)`
`19:13.08`	`pipeline`	`Who made that factoid? I, for one, keep a clean ass.`
`19:13.16`	`greycat`	`!factinfo shit`
`19:13.16`	`dpkg`	`shit -- created by dosh8er <nobody@AC98E3C9.ipt.aol.com> at Mon Dec 31 04:42:32 2001 (1288 days); it has been requested 212 times, last by FieldySnuts, 45s ago.`
`19:13.32`	`FieldySnuts`	`wow that's old`
`19:13.37`	`greycat`	`(but the DB of creation and modification isn't always accurate)`
`19:13.39`	`rbochan`	`indeed`
`19:13.42`	`RichiH`	`and good :p`
`19:13.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`oh`
`19:13.45`	`rbochan`	`older than woody ;)`
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`19:13.52`	`S0n1`	`hi`
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`19:13.55`	`RichiH`	`rbochan: sacrilege!`
`19:13.58`	`greycat`	`the really old factoids don't even have timestamps.`
`19:13.59`	`RichiH`	`there is no such thing`
`19:14.00`	`rbochan`	`mwahhahahaa`
`19:14.08`	`greycat`	`!factinfo curses.h`
`19:14.08`	`S0n1`	`what uw-imapd in apt install DISABLELOGIN ...?`
`19:14.08`	`dpkg`	`curses.h -- created by greycat <wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Mon Jul 9 14:00:35 2001 (1463 days); it has been requested 28 times, last by greycat at Thu Mar 3 06:10:11 2005.`
`19:14.11`	`S0n1`	`Connected to localhost.localdomain.`
`19:14.11`	`S0n1`	`Escape character is '^]'.`
`19:14.11`	`S0n1`	`* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] localhost.localdomain IMAP4rev1 2003.339 at Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:15:22 -0300 (BRT)`
`19:14.12`	`greycat`	`hmm, not that one.`
`19:14.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`!kill S0n1`
`19:14.23`	`S0n1`	`how i enable login`
`19:14.27`	`S0n1`	`?`
`19:14.43`	`greycat`	`S0n1: ask the channel for whichever IMAP daemon that is`
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`19:15.51`	`kingsley_`	`What enables or installs ACPI?`
`19:16.17`	`greycat`	`a kernel, I'd imagine`
`19:16.25`	`RichiH`	`greycat: nah`
`19:16.26`	`rbochan`	`there's an acpi daemon, acpid`
`19:16.29`	`RichiH`	`it's the duck`
`19:16.32`	`RichiH`	`the duck of acpi`
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`19:16.48`	`RichiH`	`also known as acpid, the acpi duck`
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`19:18.08`	`kingsley_`	`RichiH: I have no acpid.`
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`19:18.26`	`abrotman`	`you should get one`
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`19:18.44`	`Lumbermatt`	`hello, I've trouble using a debian unstable. I try to install gnome 2.10 but when I do apt-get install gnome he complains about error in packet and dependencies...`
`19:18.49`	`Spliffster`	`kingsley_: apt-get install acpid`
`19:18.52`	`RichiH`	`kingsley_: do you have a custom kernel?`
`19:19.00`	`RichiH`	`that, too`
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`19:19.28`	`rbochan`	`!twll Lumbermatt about unstable`
`19:19.29`	`tarzeau`	`Lumbermatt: forget it`
`19:19.33`	`rbochan`	`d'oh`
`19:19.36`	`tarzeau`	`Lumbermatt: if you want gnome or kde, use stable`
`19:19.36`	`abrotman`	`Lumbermatt: you know what .. sid is .. unstable ..`
`19:19.37`	`archpollux`	`Lumbermatt: some packages might not have been uploaded to the repository`
`19:19.39`	`tarzeau`	`Lumbermatt: or don't ask`
`19:19.40`	`abrotman`	`broken sometimes ...`
`19:19.41`	`rbochan`	`!tell Lumbermatt about unstable`
`19:19.52`	`tarzeau`	`s,sometimes,always,`
`19:19.56`	`tarzeau`	`!sid faq`
`19:19.56`	`dpkg`	`i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html`
`19:20.04`	`Daknet`	`Which are the differencies from debian stable and debian unstable?`
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`19:20.20`	`archpollux`	`Daknet: stable is somewhat frozen, unstable is not`
`19:20.23`	`greycat`	`one works. the other blows up.`
`19:20.23`	`Ronin`	`nothing you couldnt find out on www.debian.org Daknet`
`19:20.24`	`abrotman`	`Daknet: guess ...`
`19:20.24`	`rbochan`	`Daknet: depends on what day it is`
`19:20.25`	`tarzeau`	`Daknet: read the sid faq`
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`19:20.39`	`kingsley_`	`Spliffster: Actually, in my case, I was surprised to see acpi/apm entries in /var/log/messages when I had not intentionally set up either. ( I also have a hung VT7)`
`19:20.40`	`Schiz0`	`Daknet- one is stable and one is unstable.`
`19:20.43`	`dak`	`whats gcc4 break ?`
`19:20.45`	`tarzeau`	`rbochan: also depends alot on what packages you use`
`19:20.47`	`greycat`	`!win Schiz0`
`19:20.48`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, Schiz0! You have won the US presidency!`
`19:20.53`	`Schiz0`	`Wow.`
`19:20.56`	`tarzeau`	`rbochan: because some packages are fucked utterly, and some are so sexy`
`19:20.57`	`Schiz0`	`The world is going to end now.`
`19:21.04`	`thor-`	`which package is best to install to get java support in firefox (kde)?`
`19:21.10`	`greycat`	`thor-: /msg dpkg install java`
`19:21.12`	`tarzeau`	`thor-: forget it`
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`19:21.26`	`dak`	`uhm anyone know why apt-build segfaults when you change the build directorys ?`
`19:21.27`	`thor-`	`A:link {`
`19:21.27`	`thor-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.28`	`thor-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.28`	`thor-`	`}`
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`19:21.29`	`Spliffster`	`kingsley_: acpi is also part of the kernel. some messages might come from there`
`19:21.36`	`wooden`	`is there a newer "testing" like sarge?`
`19:21.36`	`archpollux`	`greycat: actually i have heard from good sources that this test is not needed for US presidency`
`19:21.37`	`thor-`	`oops soory`
`19:21.45`	`RichiH`	`!tell thor- about java`
`19:21.46`	`Lumbermatt`	`so is there no way to install gnome in unstable ?`
`19:21.47`	`bush`	`heh`
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`19:21.47`	`rbochan`	`wooden: www.debian.org/releases`
`19:21.48`	`greycat`	`thor- was kicked from #debian by debcritic (blue sucks)`
`19:21.49`	`kingsley_`	`RichiH I use the default 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel.`
`19:21.56`	`resiak`	`wooden: /msg dpkg etch`
`19:22.05`	`wooden`	`ah etch next? :)`
`19:22.10`	`greycat`	`!etch`
`19:22.10`	`RichiH`	`kingsley_: then all you need to do is install the acpid`
`19:22.11`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/`
`19:22.15`	`Schiz0`	`msg dpkg etch`
`19:22.22`	`Schiz0`	`er, yeah`
`19:22.25`	`dak`	`uhm anyone know why apt-build segfaults when you change the build directorys ?`
`19:22.43`	`kingsley_`	`Spliffster: Yes, the kernel seems to be a likely culprit, but I was also surprised to not see any acpi or apm in the output of lsmod.`
`19:23.02`	`kingsley_`	`RichiH: Actually, in my case, I was surprised to see acpi/apm entries in /var/log/messages when I had not intentionally set up either. ( I also have a hung VT7)`
`19:23.14`	`rick50`	`i just now tried to use aptitude to install a package. during the install when apt asks for a cd to be installed i get a "cdrom-open failed" message. anything i should be concerned about?`
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`19:23.40`	`jonaskoelker`	`MSG dpkg guidelines`
`19:23.42`	`Spliffster`	`kingsley_: i am not sure, but cpi support might be compiled into the kernel`
`19:23.51`	`RichiH`	`jonaskoelker: prepend a /`
`19:23.52`	`Smoked1`	`Still wondering if it is safe to remove the shell from users like man, news, lp, etc.`
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`19:24.12`	`kingsley_`	`Spliffster: What's cpi support?`
`19:24.15`	`jonaskoelker`	`RichiH: I did... then again, I don't know centericq too well :\`
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`19:24.34`	`resiak`	`jonaskoelker: Use a real IRC client like irssi`
`19:24.52`	`Spliffster`	`kingsley_: s,cpi,acpi,`
`19:24.52`	`dak`	`uhm anyone know why apt-build segfaults when you change the build directorys ?`
`19:24.58`	`jonaskoelker`	`might be a good idea... Or improve centericq ;)`
`19:25.13`	`stew`	`Smoked1: safe and pointless`
`19:25.19`	`kingsley_`	`Spliffster: I found a process named kacpid.`
`19:25.20`	`thor-`	`who has made all the answers dpkg has? they are quite good. Are they online searchable?`
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`19:25.27`	`archpollux`	`dak: it's "directories", dammit`
`19:25.31`	`greycat`	`!your factoids`
`19:25.31`	`dpkg`	`My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.`
`19:25.38`	`Smoked1`	`stew: I'm just used to FreeBSD is all.`
`19:25.39`	`thor-`	`thx`
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`19:25.54`	`dak`	`dude im stoned, sorry`
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`19:26.08`	`Smoked1`	`stew: There is no security issues with those users have shell access?`
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`19:26.26`	`stew`	`Smoked1: how are you going to prevent them from having shell access?`
`19:26.33`	`dak`	`do you know why ? i saw some postings but didnt find anything about the change in directories and segfaults`
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`19:27.00`	`Schiz0`	`Is there a site where I could get the source of a bot like dpkg?`
`19:27.03`	`Schiz0`	`I remember seeing it somewhere`
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`19:27.07`	`Daknet`	`ok, I've red the diff from stable, testing and sid. Because I find problems to set up my little epson printer AND configure screen AND configure soun server AND learn using atp, dselect AND so on...my idea is that I have to use for some months my stable distro. After a period, when I'll understand something of all theese things, I'll install the sid distro...mah!`
`19:27.15`	`Smoked1`	`stew: well make them use /bin/false`
`19:27.30`	`stew`	`Smoked1: then they just have to do su -s /bin/bash instead of su`
`19:27.42`	`Ronin`	`Daknet: stable is pretty darn new, less then 3 weeks old i recall so it's pretty up to date`
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`19:27.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`Daknet: better to stay with stable for the forseable future.`
`19:27.59`	`stew`	`Smoked1: that doesn't remove their shell access, just gives them a non functioning default shell`
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`19:28.41`	`me_here`	`i use debian testing, what should i do to switch to stable ?? or is it not necessary ?`
`19:28.48`	`Schiz0`	`me_here- I run testing fine`
`19:28.49`	`Stormy`	`if syslogd and klogd aren't running and i'm still getting console messages in bash how do i turn off console messages?`
`19:28.49`	`dak`	`you cant switch now`
`19:28.52`	`Smoked1`	`stew: I see. Sorry I am new to Linux and have been using FreeBSD till now.`
`19:28.53`	`stew`	`me_here: reinstall`
`19:29.06`	`Schiz0`	`I don't use anything else, stable is too old, (Not ATM, but it was) and unstable is too..unstable...`
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`19:29.19`	`dak`	`just tar /home and reinstall`
`19:29.20`	`Schiz0`	`Testing is right in htem iddle.`
`19:29.22`	`stew`	`Smoked1: i believe this is freebsd, its a false sense of security`
`19:29.24`	`Schiz0`	`the middle*`
`19:29.27`	`me_here`	`Schiz0: i run testing fine too, just wanted to know if there are special precautions to take care of when switching!`
`19:29.34`	`stew`	`Smoked1: believe this is the same as i meant`
`19:29.34`	`Schiz0`	`ah`
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`19:29.42`	`dak`	`and maybe some conf files if you are new and dont know the default settings or whatever`
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`19:30.04`	`stew`	`me_here: /msg dpkg downgrade`
`19:30.10`	`mickael`	`hey`
`19:30.12`	`me_here`	`stew: thx`
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`19:30.28`	`Area-51`	`does anyone know of a bbs daemon that can accept dialup and/or telnet/ssh connections?`
`19:30.38`	`Smoked1`	`stew: The only users on FreeBSD that get a valid shell are root and toor`
`19:31.26`	`Smoked1`	`I'm sure it's fine. I just got my box setup and I'm in process of setting it up so thats why I ask`
`19:31.29`	`dak`	`apt-cache search bbs`
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`19:31.45`	`natcity`	`Anyone have some insite on limiting the amount of sharing acount information for a membership based site. My concern is one purchases a subscription and passes it around his office. So all logins will have same IP.`
`19:32.01`	`happybunny`	`why does apt-get install openoffice.org return dependancies, but wont install them?`
`19:32.28`	`Area-51`	`dak: i could search for it myself but im looking for recomendations from people that might have experience or know of some reviews, plus apt-cache search bbs doesnt include any daemons, but thanks anyway`
`19:32.29`	`dak`	`happybunny run apt-get update`
`19:32.39`	`happybunny`	`i did...even added non-free to sources`
`19:32.47`	`dak`	`area sorry i thought i saw one in the past in the cache`
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`19:32.54`	`Area-51`	`no worries mate`
`19:33.00`	`dak`	`what does it ask you for happy ?`
`19:33.03`	`dak`	`what packages`
`19:33.12`	`greycat`	`natcity: passwords + cookies would seem to be the normal approach. ask #web.`
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`19:33.27`	`happybunny`	`openoffice.org-debain and -bin`
`19:33.46`	`dak`	`uhm what ver of debian you on ? stable testing or sid`
`19:33.57`	`happybunny`	`unstable`
`19:34.24`	`Schiz0`	`happybunny- you use an unstable version. don't complain if it doesn't work.`
`19:34.33`	`dak`	`openoffice.org-debian-files`
`19:34.35`	`dak`	`?`
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`19:34.38`	`happybunny`	`im not complaining....im inquiring`
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`19:34.53`	`charles`	`hello`
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`19:35.08`	`happybunny`	`still has dependancies`
`19:35.13`	`rbochan`	`lol, too many people started with Sid after Sarge froze and didn't know what they were in for`
`19:35.24`	`greycat`	`rbochan: indeed`
`19:35.32`	`dak`	`just do apt-get install openoffice.org`
`19:35.36`	`charles`	`spanish`
`19:35.39`	`dak`	`should grab them all`
`19:35.40`	`greycat`	`!es`
`19:35.40`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`19:35.43`	`happybunny`	`ok...then i get those first 2 dependancies`
`19:35.47`	`aliumalik`	`anyone know how I can make the startup verbosity somewhat saner like ubuntu's?`
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`19:35.57`	`greycat`	`aliumalik: which part offends you?`
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`19:35.58`	`rbochan`	`alindeman: yer what hurts?`
`19:36.19`	`charles`	`i life in florida`
`19:36.20`	`dak`	`is that what you get in the msg i just sent ?`
`19:36.24`	`greycat`	`pretend for the moment we've never seen ubuntu boot.`
`19:36.32`	`greycat`	`(because most of us haven't`
`19:36.34`	`JoshH`	`people need to use unstable, so we can find out what the problems are with it. the problem is clueless people using it who ask dumb questions about it here.`
`19:36.41`	`aliumalik`	`grey: I just want to make it cleaner...dunno why debian's is so cluttered`
`19:36.50`	`JoshH`	`but too often, a perfectly good question about sid will be met with mocking here.`
`19:36.51`	`greycat`	`there's no clutter.`
`19:36.57`	`rbochan`	`greycat: it does a pass/fail like RH`
`19:37.00`	`dak`	`debian has no clutter man`
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`19:37.17`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: how is debian cluttered?`
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`19:37.21`	`greycat`	`the linux kernel is extremely verbose when you have all these drivers in it... and then hotplug and discover are verbose.. but there's no clutter. when something breaks, you'll be glad your bootlog has all that.`
`19:37.31`	`l4vim`	`hello, is the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso is a netinstal ISO image file ?`
`19:37.41`	`aliumalik`	`I mean the startup info is cluttered ubuntu is organized and makes more sense to beginners`
`19:37.50`	`greycat`	`(assuming you had enough clue to enable bootlogd)`
`19:37.51`	`Schiz0`	`l4vim- how big is the ISO?`
`19:37.53`	`JoshH`	`i think he is asking how to make a bootsplash that covers all the dmesg with a "progress bar"`
`19:37.58`	`JoshH`	`ubuntu has that, ive seen it`
`19:38.09`	`JoshH`	`he wants to make it start like windows`
`19:38.11`	`l4vim`	`Schiz0: as I think fine - 30 MB`
`19:38.17`	`dak`	`happy youre better off downloading the beta version of openoffice anyway, just get the linux binary's cuz beta 2.0 is out its really 1.9.113 and its new and real real nice man`
`19:38.17`	`greycat`	`aliumalik: where do the details go so that when something breaks the "beginner" can diagnose and fix it?`
`19:38.26`	`dak`	`i got it on my linux and win pc's`
`19:38.27`	`greycat`	`or doesn't ubuntu worry about little things like reliability?`
`19:38.28`	`Schiz0`	`I think it's a netinst, I'm not sure what the business card thing is though.`
`19:38.29`	`JoshH`	`i wouldnt call ubuntu's startup verbosity "saner"`
`19:38.33`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: startup, well, dont look at it. problem solved.`
`19:38.33`	`dak`	`at home and work so`
`19:38.36`	`rbochan`	`l4vim: that doesnt' insluce a base isntall.. so you'd get _everything_ from the net`
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`19:38.51`	`l4vim`	`ok thanks you`
`19:38.52`	`aliumalik`	`Area-51: I am installing on other people's comps`
`19:38.54`	`concept10`	`ubuntu doesnt include the initial kernel messages`
`19:39.02`	`aliumalik`	`greycat:doesnt that require a kernel recompile?`
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`19:39.03`	`Mr-R`	`Schiz0: its small enough for business-card cds (~30 mb)`
`19:39.03`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: if you dont like it, then make a script that reorganizes the boot text or covers it up, thats the beuty of linux -- make it what you want it to be`
`19:39.07`	`stew`	`Smoked1: just tested on a fbsd box, and yes it has a different effect on fbsd becuase their su is different, fwiw`
`19:39.15`	`charles`	`ubuntu doesnt include the initial kernel messages`
`19:39.17`	`greycat`	`!bootlogd`
`19:39.17`	`dpkg`	`/etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg)`
`19:39.26`	`aliumalik`	`Area-51:I wish I was that prolific`
`19:39.34`	`l4vim`	`but... "bussinesscard" is not in my opinion good name for it.. for not english primary language people this makes some confusions..`
`19:39.36`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: then learn to be that prolific`
`19:39.39`	`l4vim`	`;)`
`19:39.43`	`nvz_`	`AHH!!`
`19:39.46`	`Schiz0`	`Yeah I had no idea what it was`
`19:39.48`	`Schiz0`	`thanks Mr-R`
`19:39.49`	`nvz_`	`fuck this nvz_ guy`
`19:39.52`	`greycat`	`l4vim: then don't use it :)`
`19:39.56`	`abrotman`	`nvz_: he's a loser`
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`19:39.57`	`nvz_`	`where the hell does he keep comming from!!`
`19:40.08`	`nvz_`	`this is pissing me off now!`
`19:40.13`	`abrotman`	`nvz_: you're timing out`
`19:40.14`	`aliumalik`	`Area-51: lol...got lotta other things to do...so is there an easy way out?`
`19:40.22`	`rbochan`	`isn't that what nickserv's for?`
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`19:40.36`	`nvz_`	`abrotman: so? its not supposed to make me nvz_ its suppose to make me enveezee and identify me when that happens`
`19:40.37`	`abrotman`	`rbochan: right .. if you reconnect after your original nick times out`
`19:40.38`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: ok, so your complaining but not willing to learn how to fix it? go away.`
`19:40.40`	`l4vim`	`greycat: it's only the name, try to name it hardly-unstable then tell to all that they should not use it`
`19:40.44`	`abrotman`	`nvz_: ah ok`
`19:40.48`	`nvz_`	`abrotman: I /set alternate_nick enveezee`
`19:40.57`	`aliumalik`	`Area-51: a tutorial or something would be nice :P`
`19:41.06`	`rbochan`	`abrotman: I believe there's a ghost thing for it to kill hte old nick`
`19:41.11`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: ever heard of a search engine?`
`19:41.20`	`Mr-R`	`nvz_: it must be your irc-client then`
`19:41.24`	`concept10`	`Linux kernel checking for beer in the fridge [ ok ]`
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`19:41.25`	`aliumalik`	`Area-51: what am I searching for exactly?`
`19:41.30`	`nvz_`	`nick = nvz \n alternate_nick = enveezee`
`19:41.32`	`abrotman`	`rbochan: don't tell me .. tell nvz .. it's his problem`
`19:41.37`	`rbochan`	`heh`
`19:41.46`	`nvz_`	`I even did a /reload when I woke up this morning and realized it still wasnt working`
`19:41.47`	`Mr-R`	`nvz_: ups. mixed something.`
`19:42.15`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: well, i dont know because ive never wanted to cover up my gorgeous kernel output on system startup`
`19:42.21`	`nvz_`	`I dont know if you have to reload for that to take effect, but I did it anyways after the first 3 times the fucking thing didnt work`
`19:42.26`	`Schiz0`	`The Businesscard ISO's get EVERYTHING from the net, and the netinst iso's have the base system on the cd correct?`
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`19:42.40`	`abrotman`	`Schiz0: yeap`
`19:42.44`	`aliumalik`	`Area-51: thanks for all the help then`
`19:42.46`	`ranch137`	`aliumalik: I saw a very good tutorial on how to enable bootsplash the other day...let me see if I can find it.`
`19:42.55`	`Schiz0`	`Is the base sys updated often?`
`19:43.09`	`aliumalik`	`ranch137: that requires kernel recompilation sigh`
`19:43.23`	`Area-51`	`GRUB can do bootsplashes, but im not sure if that will cover up the kernel output`
`19:43.27`	`rbochan`	`Schiz0: only for security updates`
`19:43.35`	`aliumalik`	`I did it on my machine but guess I should compile and make a package for others`
`19:43.41`	`Schiz0`	`ok, so a netinst isn't any worse then a businesscard install`
`19:43.43`	`nvz`	`its really pissing me off. this fucks up all kinds of things when I can for any reason be changed to nvz_ instead of one of my registered nicks`
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`19:43.56`	`ranch137`	`Area-51: I think you're right, that tutorial was on GRUB's splash...hmm.`
`19:43.59`	`rbochan`	`Schiz0: for the most part, yes`
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`19:44.22`	`nvz`	`if I had a cloak, all someone would have to do is flood me off the server and then they would get my ip anyhow.. cause I cannot stay identified`
`19:44.29`	`abrotman`	`Schiz0: depends on your needs .. some find the idea of having the base system on the CD a good thing`
`19:44.29`	`Area-51`	`that shouldnt require a kernel recompile, but if it does, something else to learn how to do ;)`
`19:44.34`	`resiak`	`alindeman: A trivial amount of recompilation. Took me about 10 minutes to set up the build (and about three hours of watching text scroll by ;-))`
`19:44.40`	`resiak`	`alindeman: Sorry.`
`19:44.48`	`resiak`	`aliumalik: A trivial amount of recompilation. Took me about 10 minutes to set up the build (and about three hours of watching text scroll by ;-))`
`19:44.52`	`nvz`	`not to mention the various logging issues, user mode settings and other aggrivations this is causing me`
`19:44.52`	`slept`	`What does the /27 at the end of 0xe0000000/27 stand for ?`
`19:44.58`	`charles`	`ubuntu doesnt include the initial kernel messages`
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`19:45.11`	`aliumalik`	`resiak: yup, thanks`
`19:45.11`	`charles`	`ubuntu doesnt include the initial kernel messages`
`19:45.24`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/`
`19:45.24`	`charles`	`thanks`
`19:45.27`	`FieldySnuts`	`charles: this channel doesn't care, tell #ubuntu`
`19:45.27`	`l4vim`	`is enyone use Intel 82541GI Gigabit Ethernet integrated card ? I hope that new stable suports it (?)`
`19:45.35`	`resiak`	`aliumalik: Hell, if you want my .deb ...?`
`19:45.40`	`Area-51`	`aliumalik: a fine search on google of "grub bootsplash debian" :)`
`19:45.43`	`charles`	`what`
`19:45.49`	`nicknicknick`	`hi my server has a load of: load average: 91.54, 89.47, 64.69 but TOP doesn't say what is using that much of cpu power. What could it be causing this?`
`19:45.57`	`stew`	`slept: i dunno the context, but in general that would mean the first 27 bits of 0xe000... are significant and the others are "don't care"`
`19:46.14`	`charles`	`?`
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`19:46.16`	`rbochan`	`nicknicknick: triple redundancy on everything? ;)`
`19:46.23`	`nicknicknick`	`such as?`
`19:46.29`	`greycat`	`nicknicknick: lots of processes swapping?`
`19:46.36`	`aliumalik`	`resiak: No I knew how to compile the kernel with bootsplash but I wanted to make the text output organized like ubuntu but thanks`
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`19:46.45`	`charles`	`rbochan: somethimes`
`19:46.51`	`nvz`	`I don't get it.. thats like the 5th or so time in the past 3 days I have caught this fucking irssi making my nick nvz_ its throughly pissing me off`
`19:47.04`	`greycat`	`nvz: bitch to #irssi`
`19:47.04`	`nicknicknick`	`well check memory stuff: http://pastebin.com/311443`
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`19:47.07`	`resiak`	`aliumalik: Go through and patch all the /etc/init.d scripts? Why, [wo]man, why?`
`19:47.22`	`greycat`	`not swapping.`
`19:47.22`	`charles`	`3 days?, what`
`19:47.25`	`FieldySnuts`	`ravenbird: aussiesmite nvz`
`19:47.25`	`ravenbird`	`nvz: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog`
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`19:47.35`	`rbochan`	`nicknicknick: 1 zombie`
`19:47.42`	`nvz`	`greycat: bah. last time I bitched upstream they told me to debian was fucking old and to go download the upstream code`
`19:47.52`	`greycat`	`zombies shouldn't be making his CPU use 57.0% sys`
`19:48.04`	`greycat`	`he's doing something intensive... probably lots of disk I/O`
`19:48.05`	`rbochan`	`true, but it can't hurt to kill it`
`19:48.09`	`slept`	`stew: I need it for mtrr, Ijust ignored the 27 but video's are still very slow :(`
`19:48.12`	`charles`	`nicknicknick: 2 zombies`
`19:48.17`	`greycat`	`ye cannae kill a zombie!`
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`19:48.33`	`rbochan`	`braaaaaains`
`19:48.40`	`sbk`	`Is there a /proc (something else?) that will give the current percentage CPU usage(s) -- ie, say, what top gives? I'd like to read this info from a machine, would like to avoid spawning top itself if I can help it`
`19:48.42`	`Gathond`	`greycat: sure you can, it just takes a nuke or two .. never seen zombie movies :)`
`19:48.54`	`greycat`	`nvz: when was this? I haven't seen a new upstream....`
`19:49.01`	`trig`	`I have heard rumor that the new installer (sarge) will do hands free installs (fai style), can anyone confirm this and possibly have a URL for some info?`
`19:49.04`	`greycat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:49.07`	`Mr-R`	`nicknicknick: i would say that your cpu is burning. nothing idle...`
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`19:49.21`	`nvz`	`greycat: well this is true with irssi I suppose.. but it seems widely understood everywhere outside #debian that debian is a piece of shit, and nobody cares about problems you have on debian`
`19:49.23`	`netman1`	`trig: correct`
`19:49.26`	`nicknicknick`	`burning?`
`19:49.27`	`rbochan`	`Triffid_Hunter: http://hands.com/d-i/`
`19:49.32`	`nicknicknick`	`meaning it's not cooling well?`
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`19:49.55`	`Mr-R`	`nicknicknick: half user space and the other half is system. and idle is zero`
`19:50.00`	`nvz`	`greycat: this is a debian problem.. and this is the channel I am in when it happens.. thats why I bitched here :P`
`19:50.15`	`rbochan`	`oops`
`19:50.20`	`nvz`	`greycat: its actually probably _my_ configuration problem`
`19:50.22`	`resiak`	`nvz: No, it's an irssi problem! :)`
`19:50.23`	`Mr-R`	`nicknicknick: system cpu is for disk access and such things`
`19:50.25`	`rbochan`	`trig: http://hands.com/d-i/`
`19:50.29`	`nvz`	`resiak: ^^`
`19:50.36`	`greycat`	`nvz: shrug. my self-compiled irssi 0.8.9 on hp-ux always has to be manually /reload'ed every time or else my hilight doesn't work.`
`19:50.39`	`resiak`	`nvz: Yes, it is.`
`19:50.47`	`trig`	`rbochan: thanks`
`19:50.58`	`greycat`	`nvz: the one on debian doesn't have that problem`
`19:50.59`	`rbochan`	`trig: good luck... look scomplicated`
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`19:51.17`	`nicknicknick`	`Mr-R what's your advise?`
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`19:51.20`	`kab00m`	`hi folks`
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`19:51.28`	`kab00m`	`how can i enable mouse support in tty?`
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`19:51.28`	`netman1`	`rbochan : no, it's not.`
`19:51.35`	`rbochan`	`ok`
`19:51.38`	`kab00m`	`with tty i mean the ctrl-alt-fX shell`
`19:51.46`	`resiak`	`kab00m: apt-get install gpm`
`19:51.53`	`Mr-R`	`nicknicknick: depends on the applications. if the system is sluggish, try to remove some apps... ;)`
`19:52.12`	`rbochan`	`nicknicknick: do you perhaps run a mail server that's under a dictionary attack or something?`
`19:52.26`	`nvz`	`I havent restarted debian in over 4 days.. about 3 days ago I /set alternate_nick enveezee, after noticing I was still getting this nvz_ shit, I /reload and its still happening.. I dont know what I am doing wrong.. but I thought all I had to do was set the alternate nick`
`19:52.40`	`resiak`	`nvz: It sure worksforme.`
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`19:53.00`	`nicknicknick`	`rbochan I do have qmail on the server`
`19:53.12`	`nicknicknick`	`but what's a dictionairy attack?`
`19:53.12`	`kab00m`	`thanks resiak :)`
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`19:54.33`	`rbochan`	`nicknicknick: hit google for details`
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`19:55.05`	`resiak`	`kab00m: Of course, apt-cache search mouse console would have answered your question. :)`
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`19:56.03`	`jamko`	`Hi all, What is the way for that the netcraft.com shows my apache version & my OS? Do I need inetd running?`
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`19:56.35`	`rbochan`	`jamko: is in the apache config file, there's an identifaction section in there`
`19:56.52`	`jamko`	`ahh, thanks`
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`19:57.05`	`rbochan`	`don't recall exactly where, but you should be able to find it`
`19:57.10`	`jamko`	`rbochan: It's insecure use this?`
`19:57.27`	`rbochan`	`depends on how you do with patches ;)`
`19:57.38`	`jamko`	`xD`
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`19:57.55`	`rbochan`	`but, in my opinion, the less info you broadcast, the better`
`19:58.04`	`kab00m`	`how can i change the appearance of the terminal-gpm-mouse? i know arrows are possible`
`19:58.05`	`jamko`	`ok`
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`19:58.24`	`nvz`	`greycat: gah! damn #irssi :P you telling them to fuck with me or what? heh`
`19:58.41`	`mickael`	`hello`
`19:58.46`	`RichiH`	`!hi mickael`
`19:58.47`	`dpkg`	`Many greetings, mickael, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.`
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`19:59.24`	`mickael`	`how mount smbfs please`
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`20:00.19`	`rbochan`	`mickael: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/ brother`
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`20:01.09`	`Hostile`	`how do I connect to a vpn in linux?`
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`20:01.55`	`greycat`	`Hostile: more details required.`
`20:02.41`	`Hostile`	`greycat my buddy has a vpn running on his server and Im connected to it now in windows but how would I go about connecting in debian?`
`20:03.02`	`justin`	`"a vpn" is meaningless`
`20:03.05`	`greycat`	`describe in exact detail how you connected to it in windows. then do the same thing in debian.`
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`20:03.22`	`ranch137`	`what kind of vpn server is he running.`
`20:03.25`	`abrotman`	`Hostile: do you know which kind of vpn software it uses ?`
`20:03.33`	`FieldySnuts`	`!vague`
`20:03.34`	`dpkg`	`Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms`
`20:03.59`	`Hostile`	`its a PPTP VPN`
`20:04.13`	`justin`	`Hostile: apt-cache search pptp`
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`20:04.52`	`Hostile`	`brb`
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`20:06.28`	`mickael`	`mount -t smbfs \\\\192.168.1.5\\home /media/nt`
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`20:06.47`	`justin`	`mickael: just use //192.168.1.5/home`
`20:06.47`	`mickael`	`it's wrong for mount smbfs?`
`20:06.51`	`tarzeau`	`!seen toresbe`
`20:06.52`	`dpkg`	`toresbe <tsb@developer.skolelinux.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 13h 25m 28s ago, saying: 'Anyone know how I can, after running /window new -split, change window in the new window?'.`
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`20:06.54`	`nicknicknick`	`hey what's mod_cache called on sarge? can't really find it using apt`
`20:07.01`	`mickael`	`i try`
`20:07.13`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i guess he's still naked? since 2 days?`
`20:07.21`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: when do you expect him to get dressed again?`
`20:07.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`!+find mod_cache`
`20:07.27`	`dpkg`	`Updating debian files... please wait.`
`20:07.32`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'mod_cache' (4 of 5): (/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_cache.so) in net/apache2-common ;; (/usr/share/webmin/apache/mod_cache.pl) in admin/webmin-apache ;; (/usr/share/usermin/htaccess/mod_cache.pl) in admin/usermin-htaccess ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache-common/README.mod_cache) in web/apache-common.`
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`20:08.12`	`jamko`	`One question, If I use AllowUsers myuser on sshd_config Do I need to use DenyUsers * (all users) ?`
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`20:10.36`	`mickael`	`justin: answer: wrong fs`
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`20:12.03`	`shingouz`	`hints appreciated. the pcmcia works nicely on my thinkpad. when i plug the laptop into the dock that has two additional pcmcia slots pcmcia stops working altogether. where the hell should i start looking for a solution?`
`20:12.48`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: perhaps you should look .. where you will find an answer`
`20:12.59`	`shingouz`	`gee`
`20:13.01`	`shingouz`	`:)`
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`20:14.09`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: linux-laptop.net ?`
`20:14.36`	`shingouz`	`tried that already. been doing some googling on it for the past two days now`
`20:14.51`	`nvz`	`damn moron.. heh screw #irssi, I guess I just have to restart irssi, cause when I started a 2nd instance it worked fine.. doing a /set alternate_nick as I understand should just take effect instantly.. or at least after a /reload`
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`20:15.02`	`abrotman`	`all pcmcia stops? .. both internal and docking bay?`
`20:15.15`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: all pcmcia stops.`
`20:15.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`nvz: yes, it should.`
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`20:15.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`nvz: but you may need to /save`
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`20:15.45`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: are there any listed in the lspci ?`
`20:15.54`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: is this both hot and cold attachments ?`
`20:16.37`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: yes, two cardbus bridges listed now. 0000:00:02.0 and 0000:00:02.1`
`20:16.47`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: both hot and cold`
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`20:17.05`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: that just sucks ...`
`20:17.20`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: agreed on that`
`20:17.41`	`kab00m`	`when i perform apt-get install BLA i get message : packet could not be authentificated. why ?`
`20:17.54`	`shingouz`	`looks like the cardbuses use the same memory space but i have no clue how to make them work together`
`20:17.59`	`greycat`	`it does not say that.`
`20:18.09`	`greycat`	`unless you've got your locale set to en_TX`
`20:18.27`	`abrotman`	`why is there no IQ test for sid again ?`
`20:18.36`	`resiak`	`abrotman: Add one to d-i!`
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`20:19.19`	`Smoked1`	`Is Exim a pretty good MTA I usually used SendMail on FreeBSD`
`20:19.22`	`MidgetSpy`	`what are the chances I can shut down my debian box, switch motherboards (new chipset) and cpus (intel instead of amd) and boot it up and it'll still work? heh :0)`
`20:19.26`	`Smoked1`	`?`
`20:19.41`	`greycat`	`!start an mta war`
`20:19.41`	`dpkg`	`qmail sucks`
`20:20.01`	`Smoked1`	`I'm not trying to start that. I just only used Sendmail`
`20:20.06`	`ranch137`	`MidgetSpy: I'd say pretty good...depending on how much customizing you've done.`
`20:20.18`	`Smoked1`	`Now I am looking at Exim4 installed by default with Debian`
`20:20.19`	`resiak`	`Smoked1: Sendmail is archaic and shit. Just about anything is better. :)`
`20:20.25`	`greycat`	`Smoked1: it's all opinions.`
`20:20.28`	`abrotman`	`MidgetSpy: have you compiled your own kernel ?`
`20:20.33`	`nicknicknick`	`qmail rocks`
`20:20.34`	`greycat`	`sendmail is not popular here, though`
`20:20.42`	`abrotman`	`neither is qmail :)`
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`20:20.44`	`stew`	`nor is qmail`
`20:20.48`	`Smoked1`	`I just used it cause it's the default with freebsd`
`20:20.56`	`abrotman`	`!hifive stew`
`20:20.58`	`abrotman`	`hrm`
`20:21.02`	`abrotman`	`!highfive stew`
`20:21.08`	`nicknicknick`	`what's default? sendmail?`
`20:21.12`	`MidgetSpy`	`abrotman: nope, everything is pretty much just the default install`
`20:21.15`	`abrotman`	`that doesnt' make it right`
`20:21.16`	`Smoked1`	`I am considering Exim4 or Postfix. What is easier to get going with clamav`
`20:21.19`	`abrotman`	`MidgetSpy: might work then`
`20:21.22`	`greycat`	`nicknicknick: exim`
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`20:21.29`	`MidgetSpy`	`ranch137: ok, thanks`
`20:21.32`	`MidgetSpy`	`i'll give it a shot`
`20:21.38`	`greycat`	`nicknicknick: exim in Debian, sendmail in *BSD`
`20:21.39`	`abrotman`	`Smoked1: probably either are fine .. ask #exim or #postfix`
`20:21.40`	`nicknicknick`	`greycat I meant FreeBSD`
`20:21.42`	`nicknicknick`	`yeah`
`20:21.43`	`nicknicknick`	`heh`
`20:21.44`	`stew`	`Smoked1: you are not going to go wrong with either choice`
`20:22.17`	`Smoked1`	`stew: kewl man. Looks like it's time to search for Exim4 guides on google :(`
`20:22.19`	`nvz`	`dondelelcaro: well I wont restart for now; see if that works. I just don't understand why its not working when i /set it days ago and /set shows it as being set. Yet everytime I timeout its still nvz_ for me ):`
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`20:22.41`	`Smoked1`	`Unless I install webmin... :( YUCK`
`20:22.54`	`stew`	`forget webmin`
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`20:23.16`	`stew`	`it makes don stick silverware into wallsockets`
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`20:23.27`	`Smoked1`	`Trying to. I have it installed on my BSD box but I never even use it`
`20:23.34`	`nvz`	`dondelelcaro: the only moron that would answer me in #irssi was just arguing with me about not wanting to use nvz_ as my nick and calling me a n00b. When I've been using irssi for nearly half a decade, and registered my alternate nick as something else years ago`
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`20:23.54`	`Ronin`	`heh nvz sounds like here sometimes :)`
`20:24.16`	`D3v1L`	`exit`
`20:24.21`	`Smoked1`	`I was also considering running an IRC server from home for my website but was told that it's a very bad idea because of DDOS. What do you guys think?`
`20:25.08`	`rbochan`	`Smoked1: depends on who knows about it`
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`20:25.09`	`stew`	`Smoked1: running a irc server doesn't invide a ddos, running a irc server that has retards on it might however`
`20:25.30`	`Smoked1`	`I see`
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`20:25.57`	`Smoked1`	`It would just be for my site but I suppose anyone that goes to the site would know about it`
`20:26.05`	`rbochan`	`Smoked1: I've run one for ages with few problems`
`20:26.13`	`nvz`	`I am already aggrivated because I am trying to cook, I set the oven to preheat 450 hours ago, its up to about 200 or so, and the gas never kicked on yet.. its a damn gas oven with an electric pilot.. the dumbest shit I ever seen in my life`
`20:26.27`	`doggie`	`Smoked1, you could always require registration for a nick, then kick those without nicks`
`20:26.31`	`nvz`	`I am fed up with that shit.. I am just going to make something else now`
`20:26.39`	`Smoked1`	`I'll give it a shot then. I could always just turn it off.`
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`20:27.08`	`rbochan`	`Smoked1: UnrealIRCD is decent and simple to set up.. and runs in userspace`
`20:27.25`	`nvz`	`there must be some thermostat in there that tells it the electric pilot is hot enough to turn the gas on.. and its apperently not working`
`20:27.49`	`Smoked1`	`rbochan: thanks, that is the one that I was considering`
`20:27.49`	`rbochan`	`nvz: yeah, it's a $40 part.. had to replace one about a year ago`
`20:29.05`	`stew`	`nvz: mine was doing that until i found out there was a way to recalibrate it`
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`20:30.22`	`jla`	`autoconf and automake are making my head hurt with the documentation discrepancies. Is there a good unified document on using them, preferably doing it the Debian way? autotools README.Debian gives good pointers, but doesn't explain why automake and autoconf disagree on AC_INIT and AC_CONFIG_HEADER(S) or AM_CONFIG_HEADER(S).`
`20:30.23`	`yhg`	`Damn, wish my oven ran Debian.`
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`20:30.38`	`yhg`	`I might bake more.`
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`20:31.18`	`cmatheson`	`hey, i have to set up a big mail server (w/ POP/web-based access)... i don't want to give this many people a shell account, but i recall having heard ldap can be used for this--correct?`
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`20:32.24`	`empty`	`cmatheson, LDAP can be, but for a small system you will be happier giving them system accounts with "/bin/false" as a shell`
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`20:33.04`	`cmatheson`	`empty: hmm, that is tempting... this isn't excactly a small system... what (or where can i learn) are the advantages/disadvantes of the above approch?`
`20:33.09`	`empty`	`cmatheson, if by "big" you mean "small" (LDAP is best for larger servers in the 5k+ users field)`
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`20:33.15`	boris``	`fuck debian`
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`20:33.43`	`empty`	`cmatheson, that's a standard POP implementation...`
`20:33.43`	`lildude`	`2 cpu slot one is 3000 wat enough power?`
`20:33.50`	`lildude`	`300 watt of juice`
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`20:34.00`	`alastair_`	`many communists/socialists in here?`
`20:34.05`	`cmatheson`	`empty: oh ok... i'm looking at several thousand users for this system`
`20:34.10`	`abrotman`	`lildude: which CPUs ?`
`20:34.17`	`lildude`	`500 cpu`
`20:34.20`	`lildude`	`or 450`
`20:34.29`	`vorsprung`	`alastair_, er this is the 21st century`
`20:34.31`	`empty`	`cmatheson, disadvantages : does not scale easily over multiple servers, does not scale past a few billion UIDs`
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`20:34.42`	`vorsprung`	`alastair_, and this is not #history`
`20:34.44`	`Hiruko`	`hi, i am having network trouble: i know my router's dhcp works fine, but debian can't get an ip from it.`
`20:34.49`	`cmatheson`	`empty: is ldap just smaller overhead or more secure or what's up? (i'm looking at about 25000 users maybe)...`
`20:34.54`	`abrotman`	`lildude: possible .. but i've got a Dual PPro200 here with Dual 500W PSUs :)`
`20:34.54`	`empty`	`cmatheson, you probably want LDAP. You probably want to investigate maildirs also, as well as hashed homedirs`
`20:35.02`	`Hiruko`	`It says dhcpoffer from 192.168.0.1 twice`
`20:35.05`	`Hiruko`	`then it says it's already seen`
`20:35.06`	`cmatheson`	`empty: oh ok, so the maildir works w/ the ldap`
`20:35.12`	`empty`	`cmatheson, better scalability`
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`20:35.16`	`Hiruko`	`and it goes back to request and disvoer and fails`
`20:35.21`	`alastair_`	`vorsprung, socialism isn't dead, nor communism.`
`20:35.27`	`empty`	`cmatheson, nope, both work with pop3d or imapd or whatever`
`20:35.32`	`ranch137`	`Hiruko: do you have another dhcp server running on your network?`
`20:35.35`	`lildude`	`would 300 psu be to small`
`20:35.36`	`abrotman`	`lildude: probably should ask #hardware`
`20:35.37`	`alastair_`	`check the GPL for further details.`
`20:35.37`	`Hiruko`	`no`
`20:35.38`	`Draconicus`	`Um.... mount ate my CD. umount complains that the drive is in use, but it isn't.`
`20:35.39`	`Hiruko`	`it's just a router`
`20:35.43`	`Draconicus`	`li'l help?`
`20:35.45`	`cmatheson`	`empty: i've started reading the LDAP admin's guide on the openldap website, but i haven't seen much other than just organizing information. is there any more specialized documentation maybe?`
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`20:35.51`	`lildude`	`hardware were`
`20:35.52`	`abrotman`	`Draconicus: fuser`
`20:35.59`	`empty`	`cmatheson, maildir is a way to put mail spools on NFS without having to do file locking like a straight mbox would require`
`20:36.08`	`Hiruko`	`oh and PLEASE do NOT do that !works in 2.4 thing been there done that: but it worked instantly in 2.4, i just got 2.6 today`
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`20:36.10`	`cmatheson`	`empty: oh that is nice`
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`20:36.13`	`blahdeblah`	`Draconicus: try eject as root`
`20:36.17`	`yhg`	`A 300 watt power supply should be fine for just about anything.`
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`20:36.39`	`abrotman`	`yhg: you might want to rethink that`
`20:36.42`	`lildude`	`yhg 2 slot one cpu 300 watt is fine? its power max brand`
`20:36.42`	`dak`	`anyone know why apt-build seg faults when you change the build dir`
`20:36.48`	`Draconicus`	`blahdeblahL No luck.`
`20:36.49`	`empty`	`cmatheson, LDAP just tells the servers what UIDs, passwords, homedirs are for users, the pop3/IMAP/smtp servers then interface with LDAP instead of the /etc/passwd files`
`20:36.52`	`dak`	`how to fix it`
`20:36.53`	`Smoked1`	`abrotman: I agree`
`20:37.04`	`ranch137`	`Hiruko: I had similar problems on my network a while back but it was because I had installed and accidently left another dhcp server running on a different machine...which was serving up leases.`
`20:37.05`	`Smoked1`	`PSU is the most least thought out part`
`20:37.07`	`gtigene`	`I have two physically identify Debian boxes. Is there a way to clone one box onto the other one so they are both identical?`
`20:37.19`	`abrotman`	`!debian clone`
`20:37.19`	`dpkg`	`One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade".`
`20:37.20`	`yhg`	`Okay: I've never encountered a situation where a 300 watt power supply wasn't enough.`
`20:37.22`	`empty`	`cmatheson, sounds to me like you have a LOT of research ahead of you- that is no small project you are looking at`
`20:37.26`	`gtigene`	`Physically "identical" I meant`
`20:37.29`	`Hiruko`	`I have two windows machines and this linux machine connected to the router`
`20:37.35`	`abrotman`	`gtigene: that will clone packages .. you want conf cloned too ?`
`20:37.36`	`ranch137`	`otherwise just killoff all your leases (dhcp client leases file) and try again.`
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`20:37.47`	`Hiruko`	`It knows that the network is there though, that's what i don't understand`
`20:37.48`	`cmatheson`	`empty: haha, i know it's looking rough`
`20:37.50`	`Draconicus`	`Hmm...`
`20:38.00`	`Hiruko`	`where is taht`
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`20:38.02`	`lildude`	`sweet rig wil run linux maybe vector`
`20:38.02`	`Hiruko`	`that*`
`20:38.06`	`empty`	`gtigene, check out systemimager.org if you want a scalable solution and have another box you can use as a master image server`
`20:38.10`	`yhg`	`I'm not saying you don't need a good one, or redundancy if you want it, but unless you're running a p4 and some crazy SLI graphics setup...`
`20:38.14`	`vorsprung`	`gtigene, boot from a cd and put the disk from #2 in #1, dd the disk`
`20:38.16`	`gtigene`	`abrotman: Actually I want the hard drive on the target to be identical to the hard drive on the source with all files the same.`
`20:38.17`	`abrotman`	`empty: it's packaged for debian`
`20:38.25`	`abrotman`	`gtigene: apt-cache search systemimage`
`20:38.31`	`lildude`	`24 meg tnt video`
`20:38.42`	`lildude`	`id 3 bye defalt`
`20:38.43`	`empty`	`abrotman, yes I know, but the docs are better on systemimager... was about to get there ;)`
`20:38.46`	`ranch137`	`have you checked the leases on the router to make sure there are leases available to be used?`
`20:38.48`	`gtigene`	`empty, abrotman: thank you`
`20:38.55`	`lildude`	`3d i mean default`
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`20:39.08`	`Hiruko`	`oh`
`20:39.10`	`Hiruko`	`there are plenty`
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`20:39.19`	`ranch137`	`what kind of router?`
`20:39.25`	`ranch137`	`out of curiousity`
`20:39.29`	`Hiruko`	`d-link`
`20:39.38`	`blahdeblah`	`Draconicus: define "No luck"`
`20:39.45`	`Draconicus`	`HA! I figured out why, but thanks. I didn't realize the terminal was in the same directory that the drive I was trying to unmount was mounted to. :P`
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`20:39.55`	`ranch137`	`ahh...we've had trouble with D-Link serving dhcp at our LUG meeting...`
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`20:40.11`	`blahdeblah`	`Draconicus: that could do it... ;-)`
`20:40.15`	`Hiruko`	`if you don't mind me asking, why would it work fine when i boot into my 2.4 kernel`
`20:40.15`	`Draconicus`	`Hehe. :P`
`20:40.16`	`ranch137`	`but we had almost equated it to poor wifi signals.`
`20:40.19`	`Hiruko`	`I don't think it's the router`
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`20:40.56`	`ranch137`	`so you can get a lease in 2.4 but can't in 2.6?`
`20:40.57`	`empty`	`gtigene, caveat: the sarge binaries are packaged with si_ prefacing the command as you will find it in the docs`
`20:41.04`	`Hiruko`	`yes`
`20:41.06`	`soukihei`	`any idean when aspell-en will be released in unstable so that gaim will reinstall?`
`20:41.12`	`Hiruko`	`I have no clue why :S`
`20:41.20`	`ranch137`	`that is weird`
`20:41.27`	`Hiruko`	`yeah`
`20:41.36`	`ranch137`	`what kind of network card?`
`20:41.40`	`Hiruko`	`realtek`
`20:41.48`	`Hiruko`	`oh yeah`
`20:41.54`	`Hiruko`	`i did read something about a cp and too driver`
`20:41.58`	`Hiruko`	`the cp doesn't work in 2.6 or somethin`
`20:42.12`	`simonrvn`	`what?`
`20:42.16`	`Hiruko`	`lol`
`20:42.19`	`rbochan`	`eek.. 8139`
`20:42.20`	`simonrvn`	`oh, heh`
`20:42.23`	`Hiruko`	`yeah that`
`20:42.36`	`Hiruko`	`rbochan knows it ^_^, how do i switch it?`
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`20:42.41`	`rbochan`	`blow the $15 and get a real card`
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`20:42.52`	`Hiruko`	`it's built into my laptop...`
`20:42.57`	`rbochan`	`ack`
`20:43.00`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`hi`
`20:43.06`	`rbochan`	`who made that laptop, so I won't buy from them`
`20:43.14`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`there is a sniffer in debian?`
`20:43.26`	`Hiruko`	`lol`
`20:43.27`	`Hiruko`	`compaq`
`20:43.30`	`Hiruko`	`but I got a nice deal on it`
`20:43.34`	`ranch137`	`netgear PCMCIA card = $2.00US`
`20:43.36`	`rbochan`	`Aragorn_Guardian: apt-cache search sniffer`
`20:43.37`	`juhov`	`Aragorn_Guardian: many, ethereal for instance`
`20:43.41`	`Hiruko`	`Come on there's gotta be a way to fix it :)`
`20:43.44`	`lildude`	`is any one canadian`
`20:43.46`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`nice`
`20:43.54`	`Pryon`	`No, you're the only one.`
`20:43.55`	`ranch137`	`have you tried setting static IPs just to see if the card really is working?`
`20:43.59`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`rbochan: thanks`
`20:44.10`	`rbochan`	`de nada`
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`20:44.16`	`shingouz`	`Aragorn_Guardian: define sniffer`
`20:44.23`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`rbochan: can i sniff all machine in my lan, i said, sniffer is not only for one machine...`
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`20:44.33`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`shingouz: got viruses here... :/`
`20:44.36`	`rbochan`	`you'll have to RTFM`
`20:44.39`	`lildude`	`canada north i am starting linux club in town\`
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`20:45.01`	`shingouz`	`Aragorn_Guardian: you mean some antivirus stuff then?`
`20:45.01`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`wanna scan stations...`
`20:45.02`	`ranch137`	`you said it could see the offer but was skipping it...worth the 5 minutes to try the static ip config.`
`20:45.06`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`clamav`
`20:45.06`	`simonrvn`	`lildude: the north is big, what part?`
`20:45.18`	`lildude`	`near dauphin`
`20:45.18`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`but the fag was a fake dns...`
`20:45.21`	`shingouz`	`Aragorn_Guardian: apt-cache search clamav`
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`20:45.31`	`Hiruko`	`so is there on way to fix the 8139 problem?`
`20:45.34`	`simonrvn`	`lildude: manitoba? neat. lived in winnipeg for while`
`20:45.46`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`i have clamav...`
`20:46.12`	`lildude`	`cool simon 6 hours north were yah at now`
`20:46.15`	`ranch137`	`Hiruko: yeah, use the 2.4 kernel. :p`
`20:46.22`	`Hiruko`	`:p`
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`20:46.35`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`shingouz: lot of sniffers... 8)...thanks`
`20:46.38`	`simonrvn`	`lildude: ok. i'm not there anymore, i'm in montreal ATM`
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`20:46.44`	`lildude`	`cool`
`20:46.45`	`rbochan`	`Hiruko: blow $15 and get a real card`
`20:46.52`	`Hiruko`	`dude`
`20:46.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`!beer rbochan`
`20:46.53`	`Hiruko`	`in a laptop`
`20:46.56`	`lildude`	`were the pc parts are simon`
`20:47.02`	`rbochan`	`Hiruko: pcmcia`
`20:47.09`	`lildude`	`i could give you list waht i ned`
`20:47.11`	`rbochan`	`FieldySnuts: cheers`
`20:47.27`	`Hiruko`	`come on this is the almighty linux.. there's gotta be a way to fix it`
`20:47.30`	`rbochan`	`Hiruko: even some cheap ass NP100 will get better performace`
`20:47.34`	`kd5uzz`	`so..I apt-get install apache-ssl, it downloads all the stuff it wants, has me setup an SSL cert. I then /etc/init.d/apache-ssl start. After that I 'links http://localhost' and it tells me connection refused. ps aux \| grep apache shows many servers running. Ideas?`
`20:47.41`	`simonrvn`	`um, montreal, QC`
`20:47.48`	`Smoked1`	`Are there any good script out there to aid in hardening the default install of Debian Sarge?`
`20:47.49`	`resiak`	`Hiruko: What is "the 8139 problem" ?`
`20:47.59`	`simonrvn`	`~2 days of driving`
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`20:48.03`	`simonrvn`	`=)`
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`20:48.04`	`resiak`	Smoked1: `apt-get install viagra` ?
`20:48.12`	`rbochan`	`Smoked1: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing`
`20:48.14`	`Smoked1`	`Nice one`
`20:48.16`	`Hiruko`	`i read somewhere about the 8139cp not working with 2.6 kernel, and that you had to use 8139too`
`20:48.17`	`Mr-R`	`kd5uzz: try https://localhost`
`20:48.25`	`resiak`	`Hiruko: So do that?`
`20:48.36`	`Hiruko`	`don't know how`
`20:48.39`	`resiak`	Hiruko: `modprobe 8139too`
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`20:48.51`	`resiak`	`Hiruko: echo 8139too >> /etc/modules`
`20:49.02`	`rbochan`	`or use modconf`
`20:49.02`	`ranch137`	`may have to rmmod 8139cp ... perhaps???`
`20:49.06`	`kd5uzz`	`Mr-R cool. Thanks. Can't it listen on port 80 for normal http traffic too?`
`20:49.08`	`Mr-R`	`kd5uzz: and by the way. are you looking for libapache-mod-ssl?`
`20:49.11`	`Hiruko`	`then restart?`
`20:49.14`	`themolester`	`anyone know of a website that would tell me what motherboard i have from this number...`
`20:49.18`	`themolester`	`08/27/1998-i440BX-0671-2A69KG0DC-00`
`20:49.20`	`lildude`	`from me to you simon me 30 hour in ups van`
`20:49.30`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`resiak: try this... www.sgi.com... 8)`
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`20:49.36`	`Mr-R`	`kd5uzz: apache-ssl is ssl-mode only (port 443)`
`20:49.37`	`rbochan`	`themolester: http://www.pcnineoneone.com/howto/moboid1.html ?`
`20:49.49`	`ranch137`	`Hiruko: If you want to try the modprobe thing the do this....`
`20:49.51`	`resiak`	`Hiruko: Well, that should work.`
`20:49.54`	`simonrvn`	`lildude: yeh. i was thinking voyageur bus ;)`
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`20:50.02`	`ranch137`	`rmmod 8139cp`
`20:50.06`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/`
`20:50.07`	`ranch137`	`modprobe 8139too`
`20:50.20`	`coll`	`Wyzard?`
`20:50.34`	`rbochan`	`themolester: also might try http://www.idhw.com/`
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`20:50.34`	`Hiruko`	`okay i'll try that`
`20:50.37`	`ranch137`	`you'll likely get some sort of output on the screen indicating the new driver found a device.`
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`20:50.48`	`kd5uzz`	`Mr-R doh...after reading the howto I'm following I noticed they said they used mod-ssl...`
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`20:51.01`	`lildude`	`well debian bible`
`20:51.01`	`ranch137`	`pay attention to the output... ;)`
`20:51.14`	`lildude`	`3x i put on stand for pastor on sunday`
`20:51.20`	`lildude`	`shh`
`20:51.27`	`Mr-R`	`kd5uzz: did the same error years ago... ;)`
`20:51.30`	`lildude`	`hid his bible in wash room`
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`20:52.15`	`P-K`	`When I do a top command it shows that debian is caching a lot of memory and not releasing it. Is this normal? Whith 3115544k total memory 2390872k is cached.`
`20:52.30`	`resiak`	`Aragorn_Guardian: I'm sorry?`
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`20:52.50`	`lildude`	`bye all gf off work with my shrimp pizza on the kitchen table`
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`20:52.53`	`themolester`	`thank you for the two links... i hope they figure it out`
`20:53.04`	`lildude`	`and my 2 liters coke aron it to`
`20:53.07`	`resiak`	`!tell P-K -about free memory`
`20:53.09`	`rbochan`	`good luck`
`20:53.13`	`lildude`	`bye all see yah latter`
`20:53.15`	`kd5uzz`	`P-K Are you sure it doesn't release it when some other app needs it?`
`20:53.21`	`Aragorn_Guardian`	`resiak: about viagra... 8)`
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`20:53.34`	`stouse1`	`!viagra`
`20:53.35`	`dpkg`	`well, viagra is the nickname for the Woody Tech Support Crew, or http://dockitty17.blog.com/211555/`
`20:53.37`	`resiak`	`Aragorn_Guardian: That's a computer. :)`
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`20:53.46`	`kd5uzz`	`resiak is there some way I can have it tell me about stuff w/o !tell kd5uzz blah?`
`20:53.49`	`nicknicknick`	`!+find apachetop`
`20:53.51`	`dpkg`	`apachetop: (Realtime Apache monitoring tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.12.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 100 kB`
`20:53.51`	`Mafia_Boy`	`afffffffff`
`20:53.54`	`P-K`	`kd5uzz: Well I guess I am not sure about that. Why is it caching it in the first place?`
`20:53.56`	`WoodsDog`	`anyone else`
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`20:54.13`	`WoodsDog`	`anyone else have gaim/libaspell dependencies issues?`
`20:54.19`	`kd5uzz`	`P-K mostly for harddrive cache I think`
`20:54.27`	`simonrvn`	`yes. just stick them on hold`
`20:54.28`	`rbochan`	`WoodsDog: anyone using gaim on unstable, yes`
`20:54.31`	`simonrvn`	`WoodsDog: ^^^`
`20:54.33`	`resiak`	`kd5uzz: /msg dpkg blah`
`20:54.38`	`WoodsDog`	`:) ok`
`20:54.40`	`kd5uzz`	`resiak thanks`
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`20:57.44`	`nicknicknick`	`!+find apache2top`
`20:57.46`	`dpkg`	`Updating debian files... please wait.`
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`20:58.33`	`nathan_`	`i have just used the net install cd to install sarge and for some reason it has installed scsi enmulation for the hard drive itself, any idea why this would happen ?`
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`20:58.59`	`poelzi`	`who can i set the virtual resolution in X per command line, like ctrl + alt + "+" ?`
`20:59.19`	`nvz`	`I for one don't know why anyone would use scsi-emulation at all`
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`20:59.33`	`nathan_`	`nvz: i dont see why either :)`
`20:59.50`	`nathan_`	`this is not something i chose to use, it just happened`
`21:00.12`	`nvz`	`nathan_: what makes you think so?`
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`21:00.35`	`nathan_`	`well... i dont recall being asked anything about it?`
`21:00.51`	`sgn`	`Does anyone know how to use mdadmin to "de-RAID" drives? its complaining about the drives already beeing part of an array`
`21:00.56`	`nathan_`	`ive done about 100 sarge installs and never seen this happen`
`21:00.56`	`nvz`	`nathan_: what makes you think your IDE HD is being scsi emulated?`
`21:01.01`	`nathan_`	`ah`
`21:01.16`	`nathan_`	`fstab shows this: /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0`
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`21:01.36`	`nathan_`	`also dmesg \|grep scsi shows the emulation driver`
`21:01.46`	`nvz`	`nathan_: and mtab reflects this as well?`
`21:01.47`	`Whisky_`	`Does someone know how to make "uw-imapd" run on a dedicated TLS port ?`
`21:02.06`	`nathan_`	`nvz: indeed`
`21:02.27`	`nvz`	`nathan_: wouldnt hurt to paste the lines where the IDE driver loads and detects the drives to a pastebin or something`
`21:02.35`	`resiak`	`nathan_: Is it SATA?`
`21:02.37`	`Whisky_`	`someone?`
`21:02.50`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: Its manual does.`
`21:02.51`	`nathan_`	`nvz: ill try`
`21:03.15`	`nvz`	`resiak: we're getting there.. standby :P`
`21:03.16`	`nathan_`	`resiak: nah its pIII fukistu siemens with a 10gb ide hdd`
`21:03.24`	`Whisky_`	`resiak: kl`
`21:03.28`	`resiak`	`nvz: Getting where?`
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`21:03.32`	`nathan_`	`fijitsu`
`21:03.39`	`nvz`	`resiak: to specifically what hardware he has`
`21:03.55`	`nvz`	`as well as what driver he's using`
`21:04.06`	`resiak`	`nvz: I'll leave you to it :)`
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`21:04.54`	`nathan_`	`hda: attached ide-disk driver.`
`21:04.54`	`nathan_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:05.06`	`nathan_`	`hdc: attached ide-cdrom driver.`
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`21:05.18`	`nathan_`	`nothing usefull ?`
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`21:06.14`	`nvz`	`nathan_: not really what I was looking for, and you should not paste in here, use #flood or a pastebin`
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`21:07.39`	`nvz`	`nathan_: I am looking for the IDE driver and all info reguarding it.. all that tells be is that you have an ide harddrive on the primary master.. which I already knew or could have figured`
`21:08.19`	`nvz`	`and also that you are either using devfs or kernel 2.6`
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`21:09.06`	`poelzi`	`who can i set the virtual resolution in X per command line, like ctrl + alt + "+" ?`
`21:09.09`	`nathan_`	`nvz: http://pastebin.com/311497`
`21:09.11`	`poelzi`	`how`
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`21:10.01`	`resiak`	`poelzi: Do you mean "How can I have a higher-res console?"?`
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`21:11.08`	`poelzi`	`resiak: i have a virtual resolution, but X don't accepts the hotkey to switch them anymore, now i'm looking for a command to switch back :)`
`21:11.15`	`henk`	`Hi is there a way to get php5 for apache2 on debian without me compiling this myself ? ie is there anyone building packages for it ?(like dotdeb but they seems to have apache1.3 versions only)`
`21:11.26`	`henk`	`o for sarge`
`21:11.31`	`Smoked1`	`Where is the irc chanel for exim?`
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`21:11.39`	`mo1991`	`sdf`
`21:11.46`	`Smoked1`	`What server I should say`
`21:11.47`	`kd5uzz`	`asdf`
`21:11.50`	`nathan_`	`nvz: i see no mention of scsi in the grub menu file ?`
`21:12.02`	`nvz`	`nathan_: thats very strange.`
`21:12.20`	`Whisky_`	`How can i completely disable PlainTextLogins ?`
`21:12.50`	`nathan_`	`nvz: i thought so too :)`
`21:13.26`	`nvz`	`nathan_: I see no mention in dmesg of IDE-SCSI claiming any devices.. only that its loading.. though why you ended up mounting /dev/sda1 on root and its working I'll never know.. especially since the IDE-CDROM and IDE-DISK drivers have already claimed both your IDE drives.. which would cause a conflict of interest`
`21:13.28`	`mo1991`	`Can someone help me with making an installation CD. I would like to have sarge do the base install and then apt-get install all of the additional components that I would also have on the CD - or possibly a different CD. I am curious if anyone has done this - also, where are the .deb files that I currently have installed on my system stored?`
`21:13.43`	`nvz`	`nathan_: ide-scsi even if it was loaded and claimed either of those drives, should not be working`
`21:14.01`	`Whisky_`	`How can i completely disable PlainTextLogins on my system`
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`21:14.05`	`nathan_`	`nvz: i thought exactly the same as you`
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`21:14.42`	`nathan_`	`its not something im too worried about but it seems rather strange and wondering if its causing performance loss`
`21:15.04`	`mo1991`	`note - this installation CD would just be to simplify installing a minimalized system to several machines - IE same .deb files - same config files, minimal installation`
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`21:15.12`	`kd5uzz`	`mo1991 I can't help you with your request, but I wonder if you know you can perform a network install with nothing more than three disks? You can also download an install ISO from debian.org that will do the same thing. It'll download the base install along with everthing else.`
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`21:15.40`	`kd5uzz`	`mo1991 you could even download the debian CDs to a local machine and do a net install from there`
`21:15.41`	`nvz`	`nathan_: it shouldnt be possible. I am not even close to believeing it yet`
`21:15.50`	`mo1991`	`kd5uzz - I did do a network install from 1 disc`
`21:15.51`	`kd5uzz`	`(faster that way)`
`21:16.02`	`Whisky_`	`Would anyone be kind enough to tell me how I can completely disable PlainTextLogins on my system ?`
`21:16.13`	`mo1991`	`kd5uzz - I did do a network install from 1 disc - but some of the machines I will be installing on will not be hooked up to the network`
`21:16.21`	`nathan_`	`nvz: can you think of anything else i can do to find the reason for this`
`21:16.31`	`nvz`	`nathan_: how did the partitioning go in D-I? did you manually partition or some form of automagic?`
`21:16.44`	`kd5uzz`	`mo1991 ahh, I see.`
`21:16.50`	`mo1991`	`kd5uzz - What I would like to do - easiest way i guess - is have 1 CD with Debian base system and a 2nd CD with all of the deb's I would lilke to have installed`
`21:17.15`	`mo1991`	`CD2 would also have all of the config files for the programs so I don't need to configure each program on each machine`
`21:17.26`	`nathan_`	`nvz: during the install it was referering to hda, after the inital reboot it was sda, i did nothing unusal`
`21:17.41`	`mo1991`	`I would do this by writiting some script to copy my settings to the new account's settings`
`21:18.17`	`mo1991`	`kd5uzz - do you know where my current .deb files are stored on my system?`
`21:18.29`	`yhg`	`mo1991: as long as you don't need custom config files, you can do that with the first standard install disc and then make your own disc with all the deb packages you want on it, and just mount that`
`21:19.09`	`nvz`	`nathan_: I'm not understanding it.. this is too bad to even blame discover for, as it could not have also changed fstab I wouldnt think. the fstab had to have been created in the install and the grub settings as well... I dont understand regaurdless of how this happend, how the system even booted`
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`21:19.46`	`nathan_`	`nvz: i think i should leave it ?`
`21:19.53`	`nvz`	`nathan_: if grub and fstab f.e. points to a scsi device, and you do not have a scsi device.. your system should not boot.`
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`21:20.02`	`yhg`	`mo1991: Or, you should remember that the standard install discs are organized by usefulness - that is, the most commonly used packages are on the earlier discs. Most people should be able to get along with just the first 2 just fine.`
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`21:20.19`	`nathan_`	`nvz: well it boots... and it works... just a little oddly`
`21:20.23`	`nvz`	`nathan_: though they _should_ point to /dev/hda? because thats where your hd actually is`
`21:20.29`	`mo1991`	`yhg - I think this is what I need to do - I want to have debian base install from CD 1 - base install only nothing else - then install all of my additional .debs and configuration files from CD 2 - by configuration files I mean settings for programs like bittorrent, etc`
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`21:21.09`	`nathan_`	`nvz: any idea who may be able to point me in the direction of finding out the answer to this mystery`
`21:21.10`	`mwilson`	`Oh, yes... very important after all to have that bittorrent.`
`21:21.20`	`EmleyMoor`	`I want to reinstall the packages that were on my machine before it was recently wiped. I have a backup of the machine's filesystems as they were just before. What's the best way to do it?`
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`21:21.39`	`nvz`	`nathan_: what says fdisk -l /dev/sda ? does it acurratly list the partition table of that Seagate drive?`
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`21:21.58`	`mo1991`	`yhg - the reason I want to have it install my custom .deb file selections is that a couple of programs I want to have installed are not on the debian stable - I would like to have these .deb's and any other .deb I use on a CD 2 - just for simplicity of installation - no net needed - all .deb's used on CD2 - does this make sense`
`21:21.59`	`mo1991`	`?`
`21:22.11`	`dazedyugo`	`hello all. is there any way to determine the manufacturer of a cd-r/dvd-r other than using cdrecord?`
`21:22.11`	`nathan_`	`nvz: that shows nothing`
`21:22.24`	`nvz`	`nathan_: I still don't even believe its possible enough to think about.. I am still on the assumption you misinterpreted something`
`21:22.34`	`cddesjar`	`anyone have any idea why ever now and then when i start x and kdm or xdm loads i see a cursor and then an hour glass appear and then my screen goes blank and i see horizontal and vertical bars flicker`
`21:22.36`	`nvz`	`nathan_: what about with /dev/hda ?`
`21:22.37`	`EmleyMoor`	`dazedyugo: Anytning that can do a scanbus will do it`
`21:22.41`	`nathan_`	`nvz: fdisk -l /dev/hda works`
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`21:22.54`	`EmleyMoor`	`There may be something in sg(3)utils`
`21:22.57`	`yhg`	`mo1991: Then just make a cd with all the packages on it as you like. Once you install all the machines with the standard installer you'll have a working system, so you can just mount the 2nd cd and copy the packages over for install.`
`21:22.59`	`EmleyMoor`	`cdrdao can also do it`
`21:23.22`	`nathan_`	`nvz: df shows: /dev/sda1 9408480 605704 8324844 7% /`
`21:23.37`	`nvz`	`nathan_: right.. well you must be drunk or something if your mtab and fstab, possibly even your grub config shows anything other than hda?`
`21:23.39`	`cmatheson`	`anyone have any experience w/ the courier-mail stuff? how stable/mature is that (i was noticing it's only at v 0.47)`
`21:23.49`	`mo1991`	`yhg - that way installlation can be as follows 1 - install base sarge system 2 - apt-get install all deb's from CD2 3 - Copy all configuration files for these programs from CD2 to the users home directory and everything should be set up`
`21:23.53`	`nathan_`	`nvz: i wish i was :)`
`21:23.56`	`nvz`	`heh`
`21:23.57`	`nvz`	`me too`
`21:24.11`	`yhg`	`mo1991: Also, there's a tool specifically designed for this, I think, though I've never used it, called jigdo. You might want to look at that, though I'm not sure it will help you if the packages you want aren't in standard debian repositories.`
`21:24.14`	`henk`	`hmm can anyone tell me why he adoption of php5 is such an issue? is it still too buggy for production use?`
`21:24.17`	`cddesjar`	`is there any difference between stable and testing right now?`
`21:24.25`	`resiak`	`cddesjar: Yes.`
`21:24.28`	`nathan_`	`nvz: only mention of hd* in fstab is for the secondary master aka the cdrom`
`21:24.40`	`cddesjar`	`resiak: quite a bit?`
`21:24.47`	`nvz`	`henk: last I heard the upstream developers didn't even recommend it be used.. but that was awhile ago`
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`21:24.56`	`kd5uzz`	`nathan_ I wonder if you can disable scsi emulation as a kernel option?`
`21:24.57`	`nvz`	`henk: I dont touch the stuff so I don't really know`
`21:25.06`	`resiak`	`nathan_: Are you _sure_ you don't have SATA or some weird raid thing or some bios trickery?`
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`21:25.20`	`nvz`	`kd5uzz: he can disable it one way or another.. but the point is its not being scsi emulated`
`21:25.36`	`nvz`	`kd5uzz: the fdisk -l proves it, if the dmesg doesnt`
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`21:25.45`	`kenon`	`I downloaded an etch snapshot and it fails on the "install base system" option. My network is up and I can wget files from the mirror I'm using. Can anybody help?`
`21:25.45`	`cddesjar`	`anyone have any idea how much longer till kde 3.4 is testing? btw, i have read /msg dpkg kde3.4`
`21:25.51`	`nathan_`	`resiak: not 100% sure but its a P3 copermine with a 10gb seagate.. its a small form factor machine, nothing special afaik`
`21:25.55`	`mo1991`	`yhg, do you know where - what directory - the packages I currently have installed are stored in sarge - that way I can just copy all of these deb files to a CD and I'll have all of the deb's I need on that CD for other computers installations - I will also copy my home directory program setttings to this CD and then I should have everything I need to set up another system identical to mine.`
`21:25.57`	`nvz`	`kd5uzz: its just the question of how/why fstab and mtab got written up the way they did`
`21:26.15`	`mtdms`	`Hi everybody here, somebody can help me, i just want to connect to windows from my linux client using ssh protocol. thanks`
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`21:26.39`	`resiak`	`nathan_: Paste lspci somewhere?`
`21:26.40`	`nvz`	`its a truely baffling situation`
`21:26.55`	`nvz`	`that I still don't believe`
`21:27.11`	`nathan_`	`resiak: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AA IDE (rev 02)`
`21:27.12`	`chealer`	`cddesjar: ask #debian-kde`
`21:27.23`	`resiak`	`nathan_: Not _here_.`
`21:27.30`	`resiak`	`nathan_: All of it?`
`21:27.31`	`nvz`	`dmesg, fdisk, and nvz all say that drive is not scsi emulated.. however fstab and mtab seem to disagree from what nathan_ says`
`21:27.32`	`kd5uzz`	`mtdms http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/ Its an SSH server for windows`
`21:27.45`	`cddesjar`	`ok`
`21:28.01`	`nathan_`	`resiak: nothig interesting i can identify everything else, sound, usb etc`
`21:28.12`	`mtdms`	`thanks a lot kd5uzz, im goint to download it.`
`21:28.21`	`kd5uzz`	`np..so am I :-)`
`21:28.27`	`nathan_`	`apart from this: 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801AA SMBus (rev 02)`
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`21:28.43`	`mo1991`	`Can anyone tell me what directory the .deb files are downloaded to when you use apt-get???`
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`21:29.06`	`nathan_`	`mo1991: /var/cache/apt/archives/`
`21:29.23`	`yhg`	`mo1991: Sorry... what he said. Although they aren't necessarily stored.`
`21:29.34`	`Whisky_`	`Would anyone be kind enough to tell me how I can completely disable PlainTextLogins on my system ?`
`21:29.54`	`kd5uzz`	`nathan_ I quote smbus.org: It is used in personal computers and servers for low-speed system management communications.`
`21:29.55`	`nathan_`	`are we out of ideas`
`21:30.13`	`nathan_`	`kd5uzz: nothing to do with scsi then :)`
`21:30.23`	`resiak`	`nathan_: I'm just interested...`
`21:30.33`	`mo1991`	`yhg - looks like mine are stored - when would they not be stored? I think that an apt-get clean removes them or something but shouldn't they just stay there otherwise?`
`21:30.40`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`Hi, I'm having an issue with ALSA and was wondering if anyone on here has an idea as to what I'm doing wrong. When I run alsaconf, I can play sound files with, say, ogg123 just fine, but KDE refuses to play any sound with the error message "device: default can't be opened for capture". Also, after rebooting, I have to run alsaconf again to get the sound modules loaded, although alsaconf claims to make the necessary adjustments to /etc`
`21:30.45`	`nathan_`	`me too, except mystified`
`21:31.15`	`nvz`	`nathan_: I havent even thought of any ideas.. the kernel, and fdisk both deny your cliams that there even is a /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 for that matter that you claim your beer gogles see in df, fstab, mtab..`
`21:31.26`	`resiak`	`nathan_: /j #flood; /exec -out lspci . Go oooon, it'd make me happy :)`
`21:31.38`	`yhg`	`mo1991: /var gets cleaned out wholesale occasionally on some systems, although generally that's not the default way to do things.`
`21:31.41`	`stew`	`smbus is for fan/temp/battery sensors and the like`
`21:31.43`	`Whisky_`	`Someone please please please tell me how to ENABLE plain text logins on my system :[`
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`21:32.01`	`stew`	`yhg: /var does not, /var/cache may`
`21:32.09`	`mo1991`	`yhg - so on sarge defualt installation it should just keep them in this folder correct?`
`21:32.22`	`kenon`	`mo1991: I think there is an apt.conf option to wipe after install.`
`21:32.24`	`nvz`	`Whisky_: heh, three minutes ago you wanted to completly disable them`
`21:32.32`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: The _manual_ ?`
`21:32.41`	`Whisky_`	`nvz: Im sleepy, my mistake`
`21:32.53`	`Whisky_`	`resiak: Im sleepy, bestow some mercy :S`
`21:33.08`	`nvz`	`Whisky_: then how about going to sleep :P`
`21:33.17`	`mo1991`	`Kenon - OK, I don't want them wiped though - once I have everything I want installed I am going to save all of these .deb's to a CD for installing identical systems.`
`21:33.31`	`Whisky_`	`nvz: Not until I get this working, dont want to keep today's work for tomorrow =)`
`21:33.35`	`mo1991`	`anyway, thanx for the advice everyone`
`21:33.42`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: Meh, it's easier to grep the manual than to hunt for someone who happens to use the same imapd as you and happens to be watching and happens to not say "rtfm" :)`
`21:33.56`	`Whisky_`	`lol`
`21:34.13`	`Fluten`	`i was playing a video in mplayer, closed it, and opened another one, and all of a sudden my x video stops working`
`21:34.13`	`Whisky_`	`what manual should i grep. Damn i hate u resiak :p`
`21:34.23`	`EmleyMoor`	`Any advice on how to get my other machine running the same packages it had before it was wiped? (I have a full backup)`
`21:34.28`	`Fluten`	`this is the 3rd time it has done this, could this be because of a driver or hardware problem?`
`21:34.36`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: What are you trying to do, exactly?`
`21:34.53`	`stew`	`Whisky_: have you considered courier-imap, its by far a more popular imap, and you are much more likely to get help. the uw-tools in general aren't popular here`
`21:35.02`	`Whisky_`	`resiak: SquirrelMail requires plain text logins. I want to enable plain text logins for squirrel mail to allow me to login.`
`21:35.18`	`jla`	`Whisky_ /usr/share/doc/<package>/* is a good place to start, as is the config. I bet you need to add some silly "i understand the risk, enable plain text logins" type entry in the config file`
`21:35.20`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: So read your imapd's manual ?`
`21:35.40`	`resiak`	`!beer nathan_`
`21:35.42`	`kenon`	`EmleyMoor: Would dpkg --set-selections do it?`
`21:35.44`	`jla`	`Whisky_ you may want to try imapproxyd`
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`21:35.55`	`stew`	`i thought he was looking to disable plaintext?`
`21:35.57`	`stew`	`whatever...`
`21:36.00`	`cddesjar`	`!guiness`
`21:36.01`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, guiness is so thick you may need a fork and knife to drink it`
`21:36.04`	`Whisky_`	`resiak: I wouldnt be asking u if i could read at this hour =p`
`21:36.07`	`Whisky_`	`heh`
`21:36.09`	`Whisky_`	`k`
`21:36.15`	`stew`	`Whisky_: if you can't read, game over`
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`21:36.20`	`EmleyMoor`	`kenon: What does it set from/to and how does it affect what's already there?`
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`21:36.42`	`Whisky_`	`stew: Too late, i havent been to sleep all day either. A really hectic day.`
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`21:36.45`	`kenon`	`If you have a backup of dpkg --get-selections I think you can just pipe it to --set-selectoins`
`21:36.47`	`cddesjar`	`wow dpkg is tough on gnome`
`21:36.55`	`yhg`	`Yeah, don't try to work when you're tired. You'll only make more work for yourself and not understand what you did later.`
`21:37.03`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: Here's the thing: I haven't a bloody clue! The manual does! If you grep for "plain.*text" you'll probably find it!`
`21:37.12`	`EmleyMoor`	`dpkg --get-selections is not a file, though`
`21:37.12`	`dpkg`	`EmleyMoor: I think you lost me on that one`
`21:37.16`	`Whisky_`	`heh`
`21:37.16`	`Whisky_`	`k`
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`21:37.34`	`Whisky_`	`!aolify resiak`
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`21:37.40`	`anthony`	`i just installed debian yesterday on my averatec 3200 laptop and it seems to be working well except that my harddrive wont stop spinning`
`21:37.47`	`anthony`	`i can't find anything online related to this and wondering if anyone might know`
`21:37.57`	`Setien_`	`I am having problems with samba on my debian server`
`21:38.19`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`anthony, I'd say hdparm is your friend :)`
`21:38.25`	`Setien_`	`it's debian stable, but no matter if I install unstable, testing or stable, my samba server still segfaults when I try to connect to it`
`21:38.26`	`resiak`	`Whisky_: Right, I'll shut up.`
`21:38.29`	`jla`	`anthony journaling filesystem? no noatime, no noflushd?`
`21:38.51`	`nathan_`	`!beer nvz`
`21:38.51`	`yhg`	`EmleyMoor: Standard input is a file. 'cat input > dpjg --get-selections', assuming dpkg takes standard input in that situation.`
`21:38.53`	`Setien_`	`any one have this problem?`
`21:38.58`	`yhg`	`EmleyMoor: Also, spell it right.`
`21:39.15`	`EmleyMoor`	`yhg: where does it --get-selections from?`
`21:39.17`	`anthony`	`jla i'm not very good with linux so i'm sorry if i don't catch (not sure what you mean by journaling) but i just installed noflushd`
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`21:39.31`	`resiak`	`EmleyMoor: The database of what's installed?`
`21:39.34`	`anthony`	`noflushd seems to be used for slowing down after a certain amount of time, but i don't think that's what should happen`
`21:39.36`	`EmleyMoor`	`... yes, the thing you cat... but how do I generate that?`
`21:39.44`	`anthony`	`when i boot into windows, it is generally not spinning fully`
`21:39.52`	`EmleyMoor`	`This is not a what is, it's a what was`
`21:39.59`	`resiak`	EmleyMoor: `dpkg --get-selections`
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`21:40.05`	`resiak`	`EmleyMoor: Run it at the shell.`
`21:40.22`	`jla`	`anthony ext3 is a journaling filesystem. They help you recover from crashes, but write more. (not necessarily a bad thing); noatime is a mount option to not modify the inodes each time you access stuff. tweak noflushd. It helps quiet things quite a bit.`
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`21:40.32`	`EmleyMoor`	`resiak: That's what's there NOW, not what was there`
`21:40.34`	`resiak`	`anthony: You have to reduce the journal commit frequency, basically`
`21:40.35`	`yhg`	`EmleyMoor: --get-selectiosn writes to standard out, --set-selections reads from standard in. Pipe the first to a file, then pipe the file to dpkg on the new machine.`
`21:40.50`	`EmleyMoor`	`The old machine is effectively no more`
`21:41.06`	`anthony`	`resiak could you give me a link so i can read about how to do that?`
`21:41.08`	`resiak`	`EmleyMoor: chroot into it ?`
`21:41.11`	`anthony`	`if you know of any good ones`
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`21:41.42`	`resiak`	`anthony: No, because I'm not sure of the details either. I have some information somewhere deep in an IRC log, but the advice you've already been given here is better.`
`21:41.48`	`EmleyMoor`	`resiak: What file(s) do I need in the chroot essentially? (there is probably not room to unpack the whole thing)`
`21:42.14`	`jla`	`anthony also run less or no services and consider reducing logging. For example you don't really need apache running all the time on your laptop, so uninstall it or learn how to tweak the init stuff to not load it at boot.`
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`21:42.46`	`anthony`	`jla even with that running all the time, it shouldn't be spinning so fast it seems?`
`21:42.54`	`anthony`	`apache was running 24/7 on my laptop in windows without this problem`
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`21:43.34`	`j4cbo`	`is there a way to get a list of all packages on the system and when they were installed?`
`21:43.41`	`jla`	`anthony: you mean spinning so often, right? I've never modified the rpm of a hard drive`
`21:43.48`	`Hiruko`	`i ahe a 8139 realtek network card and kernel 2.6. i removed the 8139cp driver and am using 8139too now, but dhcp sitll will not give me an ip address`
`21:44.04`	`j4cbo`	`probably in /var somewhere right?`
`21:44.13`	`mo1991`	`can anyone tell me what package I need installed to have services-admin package?`
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`21:44.19`	`anthony`	`jla i don't really know how to describe it which is a lot of the problem but it sounds like it is spinning as fast/hard as possible all the time`
`21:44.20`	`Hiruko`	`i realize this'll cost me 25 cents, but it can get an ip address from dhcp instantly in the 2.4 kernel`
`21:44.56`	`resiak`	`EmleyMoor: You can do some horrible filtering on /var/lib/dpkg/status ...`
`21:45.41`	`EmleyMoor`	`resiak: I moved current /var/lib/dpkg out of the way, made a link to the old one then did the --get-selections - I now have a file with that in`
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`21:45.53`	`Fluten`	`my xvideo came back, but only after i restarted`
`21:45.55`	`resiak`	`EmleyMoor: That's pretty bloody cunning!`
`21:46.07`	`jla`	`anthony: it's spinning or it's not. You're use to it spinning down quickly due to agressive apm/acpi configuration. Unfortunatly for your wants, this is not the default for an install of Debian or any other GNU/Linux based distro that I am aware of. You will have to do some tweaking`
`21:46.46`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`anthony are you sure it's the hard drive sound and not the cooling fan sound that you're noticing?`
`21:46.52`	`Hiruko`	`does anyone have a solution for that?`
`21:46.57`	`anthony`	`MyNameIsRetro no`
`21:47.05`	`mo1991`	`Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/services-admin" (No such file or directory)`
`21:47.07`	`anthony`	`but i also don't know how to check`
`21:47.14`	`jla`	`anthony: I thought there were some notes on running silently or with reduced power on wiki.debian.net, but I'm not finding it.`
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`21:47.32`	`Hostile`	`whats the debian way to compile a kernel from kernel.org`
`21:47.32`	`mo1991`	`Can anyone help me with this? It may be that I just have no services running but I am not sure`
`21:47.32`	`Hostile`	`?`
`21:47.41`	`streuner_`	`Hostile: kp`
`21:47.48`	`EmleyMoor`	`Hostile: Have you got kernel-package?`
`21:47.49`	`Hostile`	`kp?`
`21:47.57`	`streuner_`	`!kp`
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`21:47.58`	`dpkg`	`somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)`
`21:48.01`	`Hostile`	`EmleyMoor nope thats why Im asking whats the way to do it`
`21:48.22`	`EmleyMoor`	`kernel-package IS the way to do it`
`21:48.28`	`Hostile`	`alright thanks man`
`21:48.31`	`jla`	`anthony: type hdparm -C /dev/hda (assuming that your drive is /dev/hda)`
`21:48.33`	`streuner_`	`Hostile: why do you think you need to compile a kernel?`
`21:48.47`	`anthony`	`jla it's hda1 i think, one second -- i keep turning it off because i'm afraid something is wrong`
`21:48.53`	`anthony`	`that may affect hw`
`21:48.54`	`Hostile`	`because....I want the lastest kernel`
`21:49.15`	`streuner_`	`without _ANY_ reason isn't very clever`
`21:49.37`	`Hostile`	`I want 2.6.12.2`
`21:49.39`	`jla`	`there is a debian-laptop mailing list too, they may have lots of tips for this.`
`21:49.41`	`anthony`	`i am thinking about just downloading a few other distros and see if any of them install w/o more drivers/config for hw`
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`21:49.56`	`rbochan`	`jla: lists.debian.org/debian-laptop`
`21:50.01`	`EmleyMoor`	`Hostile: Any particular reason why you want it?`
`21:50.10`	`EmleyMoor`	`(I have it, as it happens)`
`21:50.25`	`cddesjar`	`ah...upgrading`
`21:50.29`	`Hostile`	`EmleyMoor I like to be up to date with my kernels..dont know why Im just...weird like that`
`21:50.37`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`anthony, check if the CPU in your laptop has a feature like "SpeedStep" or something similar. If so, your Windows installation probably used that feature to run the CPU at a lower speed, thus reducing the heat and the need for the fan running at high speed. Since I don't have a SpeedStep-enabled CPU around, I'm afraid I can't tell you how to activate that feature in Debian, but I'm sure there is a way. Maybe someone else could step in`
`21:51.01`	`EmleyMoor`	`I often compile a kernel but don't actually start using it until I next need to reboot, if ever!`
`21:51.06`	`jla`	`anthony: what did that command return?`
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`21:51.09`	`streuner_`	`playing with kernels could cause headaches ... ;-) (TM)`
`21:51.14`	`visik7`	`:)`
`21:51.23`	`anthony`	`MyNameIsRetro how do i check if i have that?`
`21:51.26`	`anthony`	`jla still booting, one sec`
`21:51.37`	`EmleyMoor`	`There's little headache compiling a new kernel to the spec of your current one, provided you know how`
`21:51.49`	`Hostile`	`yeah just copy the .config`
`21:51.54`	`Hostile`	`and do make oldconfig`
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`21:51.57`	`Draconicus`	`I need to expand the root partition, using free space from a user partition. How might I do this?`
`21:52.00`	`anthony`	`jla i'm installing hdparm right now`
`21:52.01`	`cddesjar`	`when i am running testing...to stay up to date with the new testing packages do i need to run aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade often?`
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`21:52.11`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`anthony by reading the manual that came with your laptop, or by cat /proc/cpuinfo and googling for the CPU name it returns?`
`21:52.14`	`EmleyMoor`	`2.6.8.1 was a bloody awful kernel`
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`21:52.37`	`Draconicus`	`Agreed, EmleyMoor. :)`
`21:52.38`	`anthony`	`MyNameIsRetro it didn't come with a manual (i thought there may be a command) i'll look into it; thanks`
`21:52.52`	`j4cbo`	`i have 2.6.8 :(`
`21:52.54`	`anthony`	`jla "drive state is active/idle"`
`21:53.01`	`EmleyMoor`	`2.6.8 wasn't quite so bad`
`21:53.02`	`Babatko`	`hello, please how do i save the changes, as i now still need to route del default gw after reboot... it still shows there up one ip`
`21:53.26`	`j4cbo`	`i'll upgrade in a few months`
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`21:53.41`	`mateo_`	`how can i see what video card have my pc, so i can configure the resolution as i like?`
`21:53.42`	`mateo_`	`how can i see what video card have my pc, so i can configure the resolution as i like?`
`21:53.46`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: which distro do you running actually?`
`21:53.57`	`anthony`	`MyNameIsRetro it has "PowerNow!" not SpeedStep`
`21:54.03`	`EmleyMoor`	`I got into the position of having to run a 2.3.99 kernel on a box running potato at one point!`
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`21:54.03`	`Babatko`	`streuner: sarge`
`21:54.05`	`j4cbo`	`i'm staying away from apt-get for now, having already screwed up perl by carelessly getting gcc4 a few days ago`
`21:54.11`	`j4cbo`	`commence the "OMG SID" flames`
`21:54.13`	`streuner_`	`mateo_: lspci -v \| grep VGA`
`21:54.15`	`jla`	`anthony: as root, hdparm -y /dev/hda and see if the noise you're talking about stops`
`21:54.33`	`anthony`	`jla sounds the same still`
`21:54.37`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: /msg dpkg interfaces`
`21:54.38`	`anthony`	`it's probably the fans :\|`
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`21:54.52`	`Draconicus`	`mateo_: Are your trying to do this on a Dell motherboard?`
`21:54.54`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: and read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/*`
`21:55.11`	`jla`	`probably. I don't know how to do the steppings stuff. I don't have a laptop. I only do the spindown to make my system quieter.`
`21:55.20`	`jla`	`anthony: what kernel? (uname -a)`
`21:56.00`	`Babatko`	`streuner_: i think it is there... thanks..`
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`21:56.25`	`anthony`	`jla "linux laptop 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNUA/Linux"`
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`21:56.33`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: you configure network in debian with interfaces /etc/network/interfaces ...`
`21:56.34`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`Anyone have any idea why snd-sb16 doesn't load automatically at boot, although alsaconf claims it made all the necessary changes?`
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`21:57.12`	`Babatko`	`streuner_: thanks`
`21:57.15`	`Draconicus`	`So... um... how to adjust the size of existing partitions?`
`21:57.18`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: what kernel do you have? (uname -a)`
`21:57.27`	`DukGalNa1u`	`how do i mount a flash usb drive without gnome or kde?`
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`21:57.42`	`resiak`	`DukGalNa1u: man mount`
`21:57.48`	`rbochan`	`is it still sunday??`
`21:57.50`	`jla`	`anthony: ok, I was going to suggest installing the lm-sensors/i2c stuff to monitor cpu temp and fan speed, it's a little easier to add in 2.6 since lm-sensors is part of general kernels. mbmon may check your fan speed without all those steps`
`21:58.02`	`DukGalNa1u`	`resiak: what i mean is where is the mount point?`
`21:58.15`	`EmleyMoor`	`DukGalNalu: Wherever you want it`
`21:58.20`	`streuner_`	`DukGalNa1u: mount -t vfat /dev/sda(1) /mountpoint`
`21:58.30`	`anthony`	`jla is this going to be a difficult problem to get fixed you believed? do you think another distro may automatically adjust?`
`21:58.43`	`DukGalNa1u`	`streuner_: so usb is sda?`
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`21:58.44`	`anthony`	`(not that i have anything against debian but i'm not that great with this type of thing yet as you can see)`
`21:58.46`	`EmleyMoor`	`You mount a USB mass storage device of any description the same way`
`21:58.56`	`Draconicus`	`I want to take out a bit of the swap partition and use it as part of the root partition. How might I achieve this with an existing filesystem?`
`21:59.14`	`pipeline`	`Draconicus: You may not be able to.`
`21:59.15`	`EmleyMoor`	`usb is sd? - it is emulated as a SCSI disk`
`21:59.16`	`streuner_`	`DukGalNa1u: using ide-scsi its sda then`
`21:59.27`	`Draconicus`	`pipeline: Eck... that's not good...`
`21:59.29`	`newdebusr`	`Does anyone know how to add a compiled module to a kernel that has an different extraversion than the one running. I can manually get it to load using "insmod -N 3w-9xxx" but when I try to add it to the kernel using modconf I get an error due to nonmatching version number.`
`21:59.31`	`Babatko`	`and please how to do that squid and apache2 and ntpdate will NOT automatically start...`
`21:59.36`	`jla`	`anthony: I am not aware of a distro focused on good power management for laptops, though there may be one out there. I'd search for that or for answers in the debian-laptop archive`
`21:59.46`	`EmleyMoor`	`It's the same way I mount my camera`
`21:59.51`	`anthony`	`jla ok thank you`
`21:59.54`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`atreuner_ it says Linux annie 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
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`22:00.03`	`pipeline`	`Draconicus: You can edit the partition table and then use resize2fs, but it may not work. Beware.`
`22:00.11`	`streuner_`	`DukGalNa1u: cat /proc/scsi/scsi shows you if they already known or NOT`
`22:00.15`	`jla`	`anthony: I don't think the problem is necessarily difficult, but it will require tweaking.`
`22:00.25`	`Draconicus`	`pipeline: Risk of data loss?`
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`22:00.31`	`raf256`	`As to how 1000Hz was selected in the first place, Linus Torvalds explained, "I chose 1000 originally partly as a way to make sure that people that assumed HZ was 100 would get a swift kick in the pants. That meant making a _big_ change, not a small subtle one."`
`22:00.34`	`raf256`	`^--- rotfl`
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`22:00.38`	`EmleyMoor`	`I may occasionally get the odd problem I can't fathom with Debian but on the whole, I think it's the best OS out there`
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`22:00.57`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, sorry for mistyping your name, Linux annie 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`22:01.13`	`btech`	`i need help with my wirless card drivers.`
`22:01.21`	`ValheruLord`	`why is kde 3.4 not packaged yet?license issues or any other thingy?`
`22:01.24`	`Draconicus`	`!rofl`
`22:01.24`	`dpkg`	`[rofl] Rolling Over Fat Lesbian`
`22:01.26`	`EmleyMoor`	`btech: What wireless card?`
`22:01.27`	`goobit`	`can't find how to change the color mask for the X configuration-- I'm trying to set the color mask for optimal performance for macromedia's flash plugin -- macromedia's doc tells me to set three for RGB where can I change this in the X config file? there's no further doc on Options for Display Section (using http://xfree86.org/4.3.0/XF86Config.5.html) anyone give a dimwit hint for this X crap, just testing out a few things..`
`22:01.36`	`Draconicus`	`!rotfl`
`22:01.37`	`dpkg`	`rotfl is, like, Rolling On The Floor Laughing, something you're rather unlikely to be able to type in while you do it`
`22:01.42`	`Draconicus`	`Hmm...`
`22:01.49`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: Do you have removed all entries for OSS?`
`22:01.53`	`btech`	`a blitzz bwu713 wirless g`
`22:02.02`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: /etc/modules - discover?`
`22:02.02`	`DukGalNa1u`	`here i thought lp0 and such were usb...`
`22:02.14`	`Babatko`	`streuner_: and please how to do that squid and apache2 and ntpdate will NOT automatically start...`
`22:02.22`	`EmleyMoor`	`If it's not in the kernel, I can only advise if it's ipw2100`
`22:02.47`	`cddesjar`	`there is no kde 3.4 release yet...lol`
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`22:02.50`	`btech`	`what is that..another card?`
`22:02.51`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: apt-get remove <package>`
`22:02.51`	`cddesjar`	`there still at 2.2`
`22:02.56`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_ well this was a clean install, so I was assuming there is no OSS stuff in there. How do I make sure all such entries are removed?`
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`22:03.04`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: _OR_ man update-rc.d`
`22:03.25`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: well, look in /etc/modules`
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`22:03.51`	`streuner_`	`Babatko: and, if neccessary, remove discover or blacklist all OSS modules`
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`22:03.54`	`cddesjar`	`can you use apt-listbugs on testing?`
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`22:04.01`	`streuner_`	`sure`
`22:04.06`	`cddesjar`	`sure to me?`
`22:04.09`	`streuner_`	`yep`
`22:04.16`	`cddesjar`	`thanks!`
`22:04.16`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, the file /etc/modules contains references to some IDE stuff, psmouse, and sd_mod`
`22:04.43`	`streuner_`	`cddesjar: all bugs for testing/etch are in BTS as well...`
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`22:05.08`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: here we go :-)`
`22:05.16`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: comment sd_mod`
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`22:05.49`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, so that's the one that kept bugging me for the last 6 hours or so? Gaaah.`
`22:05.54`	`deadcat`	`streuner_: cant find transset and xcompmgr`
`22:05.56`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: nah`
`22:06.15`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: dpkg -l discover \| tail -1`
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`22:06.42`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: using d-i installs auto discover...`
`22:07.07`	`cddesjar`	`thanks..i am taking my first plug into testing and just read about apt-listbugs`
`22:07.32`	`nvz`	`streuner_: eh? does what?`
`22:07.33`	`streuner_`	`deadcat: xorg?`
`22:07.37`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, I remember that some alsa package suggested discover, but when I tried to apt-get install it, I was told I already have discover1 and that it conflicts with it, so I didn't want to mess with it.`
`22:07.41`	`deadcat`	`streuner_: ya. i got xorg already`
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`22:08.18`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: just 'blacklist' OSS modules as well`
`22:08.18`	`avalente`	`hello, where can i find help on PHP + graphic charts? I wanted to draw a chart with 3 Y axis with different scales`
`22:08.47`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: or simply remove discover and make sure your NIC is loaded in /etc/modules`
`22:09.02`	`nvz`	`avalente: you mean draw 3 charts?`
`22:09.12`	`avalente`	`no.. in the same one`
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`22:09.24`	`nvz`	`how does one chart have 3 Y axis?`
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`22:09.43`	`FieldySnuts`	`trolled`
`22:09.48`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, hold your ideas, I'm having trouble keeping up ;)`
`22:10.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: start a war war`
`22:10.05`	`dpkg`	`editor wars suck ass!`
`22:10.07`	`cddesjar`	`i am not suppose to take down x am i when i do aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade? i mean go into telinit 3 (i think)`
`22:10.11`	`avalente`	`humm.. well... you could have for instance 12 35 200 -> this would be in the same place on the Y axis..`
`22:10.38`	`cddesjar`	`or is it telinit 1`
`22:10.55`	`avalente`	`and then, for eache X, there would be 3 Y.. one in each scale`
`22:11.13`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, dpkg -l discover \| tail -1 gives "un discover <none> (no description available)"`
`22:11.45`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: good`
`22:11.52`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, what did you mean with "using d-i installs auto discover..." ?`
`22:12.24`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: d-i usually install discover to make sure you have all modules loaded...`
`22:12.33`	`vipe`	`where can I find a list of the color codes to be used for $PS1 ?`
`22:12.47`	`nvz`	`MyNameIsRetro: I was wondering the same thing.. ..`
`22:12.48`	`resiak`	`vipe: The bash colours howto`
`22:12.55`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, dpkg -l discover1 \| tail -1, by the way, gives "ii discover1 1.7.7 hardware identification system"`
`22:13.00`	`vipe`	`resiak: thx`
`22:13.02`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: ah`
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`22:13.09`	`amphi`	`vipe: man console_codes IIRC`
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`22:13.25`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: well, blacklist all OSS modules or just remove discover1 then`
`22:13.26`	`jason_`	`hello`
`22:14.19`	`jason_`	`Does anyone here use zoneedit as their dns server?`
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`22:14.31`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, where do I look for them and how do I identify them? I haven't really had to mess in these regions of debian before ;)`
`22:14.34`	`pc_`	`hi. i made .Trash a symlink to another partition (rw ofcourse) somehowhi. i made .Trash a symlink to another partition (rw ofcourse) somehow deleting in nautilus doesn't work anymore now.. why's that?`
`22:14.35`	`amphi`	`vipe: yeah, console_codes(4)`
`22:14.53`	`vipe`	`amphi: :) reading it already. thx`
`22:15.06`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: You don't need too ;-) (apt-get remove discover1)`
`22:15.27`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: /etc/discover(1)/blacklist`
`22:15.44`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, if this kills my NIC I'm going to #&%$° BEEEP No Carrier*... J/K`
`22:15.59`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: lsmod gives you a full list of all modules which are loaded actually...`
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`22:16.31`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: that was the reason why i said to you make sure your modules (NIC) is loaded`
`22:17.00`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: the most important modules in debian ;-)`
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`22:17.12`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: s/modules/module/`
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`22:18.12`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: What does 'lspci -v \| grep -i eth' say?`
`22:18.21`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_, I just checked I still have the discover1*.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, so I'm going to try this and if it fails and I need discover1, re-installing it will be easy.... so here we go...`
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`22:18.30`	`redge-`	`hola`
`22:19.04`	`streuner_`	`hi`
`22:19.21`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, the lspci... shows that it's a RealTek 8139`
`22:19.29`	`streuner_`	`uhm`
`22:19.38`	`jason_`	`does anyone here use zoneedit as their dns server?`
`22:19.40`	`streuner_`	`dpkg, listkeys 8139`
`22:19.42`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of '8139' by key (2): rtl8139 ;; 8139.`
`22:19.47`	`streuner_`	`rtl8139`
`22:19.48`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streunar_, anb before you ask, lsmod shows a 8139too module`
`22:19.52`	`streuner_`	`dpkg, rtl8139`
`22:19.53`	`dpkg`	`[rtl8139] a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. not ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c>`
`22:20.00`	`jair`	`I am having a situation on my linux lab, I have an apache server internal where the students will host all the courses web sites`
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`22:20.15`	`resiak`	`!tell MyNameIsRetro -about nicktab`
`22:20.25`	`jair`	`but dreamweaver have a special way of connect to the apache trhough a ftp server connection`
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`22:20.41`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`resiak TU :-)`
`22:20.46`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: ok, edit /etc/modules and put 8139too into it`
`22:20.52`	`jair`	`to do that I have to install an ftp server and indicate that the ftp folder will be the /var/www?`
`22:21.01`	`resiak`	`MyNameIsRetro: No porbleme`
`22:21.19`	`resiak`	`jair: Are you sure that #apache wouldn't be more help?`
`22:21.37`	`jair`	`resiak, but it is a debian issue my friend.`
`22:21.46`	`resiak`	`jair: It is? How?`
`22:21.55`	`Guerin`	`jair: no, it fucking well is not. It's a generif http/ftp issue.`
`22:21.55`	`jason_`	`i get a 403 Forbidden error when i try to access my local host.`
`22:21.59`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_: so, time to reboot? Or anything else I should change?`
`22:22.03`	`jair`	`because where you have installed the apache is in sarge`
`22:22.06`	`resiak`	`Guerin: Bad day?`
`22:22.07`	`jair`	`and the ftp as well`
`22:22.17`	`jair`	`Guerin, correct`
`22:22.20`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: in order to get rid of OSS modules, yes.`
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`22:22.25`	`Guerin`	`jair: if you want apache to serve ftp, apt-cache search ftp apache`
`22:22.30`	`Guerin`	`jair: otherwise install a ftpd`
`22:22.45`	`resiak`	`jair: That's like saying that your hand-installed car radio breaking is the car manufacturer's fault.`
`22:22.46`	`Guerin`	`jair: this is not a debian issue, it's an administration issue.`
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`22:22.58`	`jair`	`ohhh Guerin that is a good idea I did not know that apache can serve as ftp as well.`
`22:23.05`	`deadcat`	`sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/20050711_canonS230_1770.jpg <- can someone tell me if i can cut the top left part of the card off? that little gold thing`
`22:23.09`	`Guerin`	`jair: because you didn't fucking search.`
`22:23.15`	`Guerin`	`resiak: no more than usual.`
`22:23.28`	`resiak`	`Guerin: I see.`
`22:23.36`	`jason_`	`i get a 403 Forbidden error when i try to access my local host.; could that be ebcause zoneedit takes so ling when you change nameservers?`
`22:23.38`	`Guerin`	`jason_: fix your permissions; #apache.`
`22:23.44`	`Guerin`	`jason_: no.`
`22:23.45`	`jair`	`Guerin, thank you I see that the #debian channel guys are getting more polite everyday.`
`22:23.47`	`resiak`	`Guerin: You just made a very dramatic entry.`
`22:23.56`	`Guerin`	`resiak: heh`
`22:23.57`	`jair`	`thank you resiak and Guerin .`
`22:24.24`	`jason_`	`Guerin: are my permissions in my .conf file?`
`22:24.36`	`Guerin`	`jason_: no, your permissions are on the filesystem.`
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`22:25.15`	`mo1991`	`does anyone know where to find the gift-fasttrack plugin for sarge - this package is not included in testing or unstable either?`
`22:25.33`	`jason_`	`Guerin, well i am root right now..shouldn't i be able to access it anyways?`
`22:25.43`	`cat`	`mo1991: try searching for it on google i found it before but for unstable only`
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`22:26.05`	`Guerin`	`jason_: your webserver is root!!!?!?!12`
`22:26.08`	`streuner_`	`apt, wake up!`
`22:26.08`	`apt`	`up!: GOOD MORNING!!!`
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`22:26.19`	`Guerin`	`!fasttrack`
`22:26.19`	`dpkg`	`The FastTrack plugin isn't available in debian. Sid debs are available at http://hal.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/debian/gift/`
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`22:26.27`	`resiak`	`deadcat: Not a clue!`
`22:26.36`	`jason_`	`Guerin, well i installed it as root`
`22:26.53`	`mo1991`	`dpkg - what does Sid Debs mean - outside sources?`
`22:27.19`	`streuner_`	`mo1991: it means, unstable debs are avaiable`
`22:27.20`	`mo1991`	`meaning that debian doesn't support these .deb packages - written by an outside source`
`22:27.22`	`deadcat`	`resiak: wonder if i can cut it off. since now it barely fits into the base station`
`22:27.31`	`Guerin`	`jason_: read the apache documentation - it doesn't run as root for security reasons. Also, the default debian install works out of the box, so you either: a) aren't running debian; b) fucked with something you oughtn't have`
`22:27.42`	`streuner_`	`dpkg, what are you?`
`22:27.42`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`22:28.01`	`Guerin`	`mo1991: they are 3rd-party packages built for debian unstable. To use them with sarge, /msg simple sid backport.`
`22:28.01`	`mo1991`	`streuner_ unstable debs are avaialable from the hal.iwr.uni site but not from debian unstable? Is this what you mean`
`22:28.19`	`jason_`	`guerin: does it matter that I installed it as root?`
`22:28.20`	`streuner_`	`mo1991: well, they are not official`
`22:28.22`	`deadcat`	`resiak: its not connected to anything on the card. you think i can cut it out?`
`22:28.36`	`Guerin`	`jason_: when you install packages in debian, you HAVE to be root.`
`22:28.37`	`streuner_`	`mo1991: so there isn't any support for these debs...`
`22:28.46`	`resiak`	`deadcat: No reason why not, I guess... but I don't want to be responsible. :)`
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`22:28.55`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_: I have good news and bad news...`
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`22:29.03`	`deadcat`	`resiak: i'll get you if it fucks up (=`
`22:29.07`	`streuner_`	`tell us the bad news`
`22:29.23`	`mo1991`	`streuner - OK - that makes sense - does this mean that a simple apt-get install for this package will not work with sarge? OR it may have other unstable dependancies?`
`22:29.24`	`streuner_`	`we want fix problems`
`22:29.30`	`jason_`	`gurin, thats what i thought....my localhost USED to work until i changed my DocumentRoot to the dircetory to serve my content.`
`22:29.31`	`Guerin`	`mo1991: right`
`22:29.34`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_: The bad news is that the situation is still unchanged after a reboot. The good news is my NIC is still working ;)`
`22:29.48`	`streuner_`	`mo1991: those debs aren't working for sarge`
`22:29.53`	`jason_`	`guerin, thats what i thought....my localhost USED to work until i changed my DocumentRoot to the dircetory to serve my content.`
`22:29.55`	`cat`	`mo1991: http://hal.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/debian/gift/`
`22:30.03`	`Guerin`	`jason_: no shit. Make sure all the files and directories in your new DocumentRoot are readable by the user www-data`
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`22:30.28`	`streuner_`	`mo1991: ok, do you have any OSS modules still loaded? (lsmod)`
`22:30.30`	`cat`	`but it's only for sid`
`22:30.39`	`Guerin`	`!simple sid backport`
`22:30.39`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :)`
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`22:30.50`	`Guerin`	`mo1991: ^^^^`
`22:30.52`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: ^^^^^`
`22:30.55`	`Orfeous`	`hello everyone! got some compile errors ;)`
`22:31.03`	`Orfeous`	`im trying to compile new drivers to my NIC`
`22:31.05`	`Guerin`	`!wayc Orfeous`
`22:31.05`	`dpkg`	`Orfeous: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?`
`22:31.06`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: just run 'alsaconf' again`
`22:31.08`	`jason_`	`guerin, how do i do that?`
`22:31.09`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`22:31.10`	`Guerin`	`NIC`
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`22:31.20`	`Guerin`	`jason_: info coreutils chgrp`
`22:31.22`	`mo1991`	`streuner_ if you mean oss sound - I use alsa. Don't believe oss is loaded`
`22:31.34`	`Orfeous`	`Guerin: ;)`
`22:31.35`	`Guerin`	`jason_: also read about chmod and chown`
`22:31.39`	`streuner_`	`mo1991: sorry, wrong nick...`
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`22:31.49`	`resiak`	`deadcat: Heh`
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`22:31.59`	`raf256`	`can I just recompiel and use 2.6.12.2 (instead of 2.6.11-1) or do I need to install some extra tools (like tkat devfs thingy)`
`22:32.02`	`cddesjar`	`ok...to use apt-listbugs i would just type "apt-listbugs list foo" and it would list the bugs in foo`
`22:32.16`	`Guerin`	`raf256: suck it and see`
`22:32.23`	`mo1991`	`cat -will this fasttrack deb work with sarge?`
`22:32.30`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_: I fear I have OSS modules loaded as ogg123 says it attempts to use OSS... Running alsaconf again now, as you suggested.`
`22:32.30`	`Orfeous`	`Guerin: hmm..but the drivers is available at apt archive. my problem that i dont know what to do after i have unpacked the modules. :P in readme it says that i must use make-kpkg but i dont know how`
`22:32.38`	`Guerin`	`raf256: you have an athlon2800 - a kernel should take about 5 minutes to build`
`22:32.39`	`cat`	`nope`
`22:32.41`	`cat`	`mo1991:`
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`22:32.56`	`Guerin`	`Orfeous: man make-kpkg; also see if module-assistant can help you`
`22:33.10`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: Don't _fear_, make sure the OSS modules aren't loaded :-)`
`22:33.13`	`raf256`	`if I copy /boot/config-2.6.11... into newkernel/ and then use make menuconfig then it should use old config and set new options to defaults?`
`22:33.13`	`cat`	`try downloading the fasttrack plugin some where`
`22:33.20`	`Orfeous`	`Guerin: it is bcm5700`
`22:33.28`	`cat`	`raf256: yeah`
`22:33.45`	`visik7`	`yes \| make config`
`22:33.46`	`visik7`	`:)`
`22:33.49`	`resiak`	`raf256: make oldconfig`
`22:34.20`	`mo1991`	`cat - so the only way I can get the fasttrack plugin on sarge is to compile via - apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename`
`22:34.23`	`sgeigerbot`	`!test`
`22:34.23`	`dpkg`	`Sorry, sgeigerbot, I didn't get your test.`
`22:34.45`	`FieldySnuts`	`!date sgeigerbot`
`22:34.49`	`cat`	`mo1991: not really the dependecies are different from sid, so you will get you'r system in a risk`
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`22:35.02`	`cat`	`it's just better to download the plugin from gift website or something`
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`22:35.09`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_: ALSA modules all start with snd, as far as I know. What about the OSS ones, do they have a common prefix? (Sorry for asking such a stupid question, but I've never messed with OSS).`
`22:35.25`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: nope`
`22:35.30`	`mo1991`	`cat - so there is no way to install the fasttrack package?`
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`22:35.46`	`Guerin`	`Orfeous: i don't use tardware, so I don't know about it, sorry.`
`22:35.46`	`cat`	`like i said try getting the .tar.gz and try installing it on .giFT`
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`22:36.00`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_: so how can I tell if I'm running OSS modules if I don't know their names?`
`22:36.03`	`FieldySnuts`	`giving advice to warez software, cute`
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`22:36.36`	`mo1991`	`cat - ok my bad. just download the source and install that way - what is the command to make a .deb from my configured source code?`
`22:36.37`	`Guerin`	`get the source for gift-fasttrack and make a debian package`
`22:36.39`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: well, good question.`
`22:36.46`	`Guerin`	`mo1991: man checkinstall`
`22:37.06`	`cat`	`yeah good idea Guerin =(:D`
`22:37.08`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: you need to know the name of the module for your soundcard (OSS) - just google for it then`
`22:37.08`	`jason_`	`guerin, i think i know what i did wrong...i think when i chnaged my DocumentRoot, I changed it to a file in root.`
`22:37.21`	`mo1991`	`Guerin man checkinstall give info on howto change the source to .deb files?`
`22:37.43`	`aliasptr`	`Does anyone know how I can tell ifupdown to load firmware for my DWL-520 which is part of a bridge in the /etc/network/interfaces file`
`22:37.50`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner_: it's a SoundBlaster Vibra 16 PnP, an old ISA beast, and a real SoundBlaster, not a clone.`
`22:37.52`	`cddesjar`	`is there any other documentation for apt-listbugs then just the man apt-listbugs?`
`22:37.56`	`streuner_`	`MyNameIsRetro: /j #flood`
`22:37.57`	`rbochan`	`d'oh`
`22:38.01`	`aliasptr`	`If I juse use fw_* it'll complain because the other device isn't wireless`
`22:38.03`	`mo1991`	`Guerin, man checkinstall doesn't work. Apparently I do not have that man file`
`22:38.29`	`aliasptr`	`and the hostap_fw_load only comes with debian source but I guess I could run that on pre-up or something...`
`22:38.34`	`aliasptr`	`any suggestions?`
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`22:39.04`	`Guerin`	`!installit`
`22:39.04`	`dpkg`	`*** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>.`
`22:39.19`	`Guerin`	`mo1991: also possible to use dh_make`
`22:39.33`	`Guerin`	`jason_: yes.`
`22:40.41`	`rixth`	`Gnome is really starting to annoy me. Whenever I click an application in the Gnome menu, it doesn't automatically come to focus, but stays behind whatever window WAS active. Also, whenever I move files, delete them, extract and archive etc etc. I have to "Refresh" Nautilus to see the changes.`
`22:40.53`	`rixth`	`Any ideas how to fix it? Restarting X/Gnome doesn't help.`
`22:41.02`	`pipeline`	`rixth: Install fam`
`22:41.09`	`jason_`	`rixth, i like gnome ebcause its right click, and then u r at terminal..kde dont have that`
`22:41.10`	`citral`	`purge it`
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`22:41.27`	`raf256`	`jasoncohen: it have it`
`22:41.28`	`pipeline`	`rixth: Nautilus will update more or less instantly with fam installed and running.`
`22:41.29`	`rixth`	`citral: Not needed.`
`22:41.36`	`rixth`	`pipeline: thanks!`
`22:41.36`	`jasoncohen`	`raf256, ?`
`22:41.46`	`pipeline`	`rixth: Honestly, nautilus is unusably slow without the fam daemon :P`
`22:41.47`	`raf256`	`I ment jason_ but he left`
`22:42.01`	`rixth`	`fam is already the newest version. << Well, thats a good start!`
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`22:42.35`	`mwilson`	`It's unusably slow with or without FAM.`
`22:42.36`	`rixth`	`But where I mostly notice it is when I extract an archive, I have to refresh to see the new directory/files.`
`22:42.48`	`rixth`	`mwilson: what is a better file manager?`
`22:42.53`	`resiak`	`rixth: The focus thing is a "fix".`
`22:43.01`	`raf256`	`rixth: ms explorer?`
`22:43.03`	`mwilson`	`rixth: <shrug> I like emelfm`
`22:43.05`	`citral`	`it's absolutely unusable with 128 ram if that's what you have`
`22:43.17`	`rixth`	`citral: 1gb here.`
`22:43.17`	`mwilson`	`rixth: But I doubt you will.`
`22:43.32`	`roger`	`i need some one to go through how to install the nvidia driver on x86_64 debian`
`22:43.34`	`rixth`	`resiak: what do you mean? Do you know how to fix it?`
`22:43.39`	`rixth`	`mwilson: I'll check it out`
`22:43.45`	`raf256`	`roger: downalod and run it?`
`22:43.52`	`roger`	`it dont work ...`
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`22:44.06`	`roger`	`tried the official nvidia installer`
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`22:44.24`	`mwilson`	`rixth: It's a GTK 1.x app... most people have idiotic hatreds for those.`
`22:44.48`	`resiak`	`mwilson: omg ugly11111`
`22:44.57`	`citral`	`yeah ugly`
`22:45.00`	`rixth`	`Well, it could be easier on the eyes :) I like to two pane thing though`
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`22:45.14`	`citral`	`my aterm looks wayyyy better`
`22:45.21`	`j4cbo`	`!find DynaLoader.pm`
`22:45.22`	`pipeline`	`rixth: rox filer isn't terrible. It ain't great, either.`
`22:45.26`	`mwilson`	`rixth: You could actually bother to configure a decent GTK 1.x theme, too.`
`22:45.28`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'DynaLoader.pm' (1): (/usr/lib/perl/5.8.7/DynaLoader.pm) in base/perl-base.`
`22:45.33`	`resiak`	`rixth: Yes: turn off focus stealing prevention. I don't know if you can. Just use a different WM.`
`22:45.45`	`paster`	`"MyNameIsRetro" at 84.56.173.184 pasted "for streuner_ -- paste from lsmod" (49 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/335`
`22:45.51`	`rbochan`	`rixth: xfe offers a 2 pane deal`
`22:45.52`	`amphi`	`rixth: yeah, emelfm is quite nice, or gentoo`
`22:46.29`	`roger`	`anyone here got the 64bit nvidia drivers working?`
`22:46.31`	`rixth`	`resiak: I'll take a look`
`22:47.03`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: ok`
`22:47.25`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: hotplug is prolly installed, but the modules for your soundcard isn't ....`
`22:47.27`	`roger`	`:(`
`22:47.35`	`mwilson`	`rixth: http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss07111546.png`
`22:47.43`	`resiak`	`rixth: The Gnome people are unable to grasp that a window being on top doesn't imply focus. So they decided (because of Gaim windows stealing focus when you're typing your password) to make new windows pop under...`
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`22:47.54`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, in plain English?`
`22:48.23`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: in short it means, 'feuer jetzt alsaconf nochmal ab'`
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`22:48.42`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, will do, stand by.`
`22:49.04`	`rixth`	`resiak: No, it only just started done this. mwilson, nice, what's the usernet grabber you have there?`
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`22:49.35`	`mwilson`	`"usernet grabber"?`
`22:50.35`	`roger`	`take that as non of us as an AMD64 with the nvidia drivers working in debian 64bit version`
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`22:51.19`	`resiak`	`roger: Have you asked the amd64 channel?`
`22:51.39`	`rixth`	`mwilson: that terminal that's downloading all the photos from alt.binaries.pictures__`
`22:51.41`	`roger`	`no but good idea i tryed the nvidia channel noone answers :(`
`22:51.49`	`rr`	`this letter "�" ? how i speak it in english?`
`22:52.03`	`rixth`	`rr, it's a question mark.`
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`22:52.12`	`rr`	`�`
`22:52.20`	`resiak`	`mwilson: Which panel is that?`
`22:52.20`	`MrBallZ`	`sup`
`22:52.26`	`roger`	`only one person on the amd64 channel :(`
`22:52.31`	`rr`	`rixth, in portuguese language is cedilha`
`22:52.35`	`amphi`	`rr: like 's'`
`22:52.50`	`rr`	`amphi, how i write this?`
`22:52.59`	`rixth`	`\/join #debian64`
`22:52.59`	`resiak`	`roger: Bollocks.`
`22:53.12`	`MrBallZ`	`any pointers on making usb devices ( pen, thumb, hard drives ) automount and icon appear on desktop ( KDE ) , like in knoppix ...`
`22:53.13`	`amphi`	`rr: cedilla I believe`
`22:53.28`	`rixth`	`MrBallZ: this is #debian`
`22:53.32`	`roger`	`there is`
`22:53.34`	`rixth`	`MrBallZ: try #knoppix`
`22:53.40`	`rr`	`storage, recovery and correct classification of characters in portuguese language (Bralizian Portuguese): low case, upper case, CEDILLA and especial characters`
`22:53.45`	`roger`	`me someone else and a bot`
`22:53.53`	`resiak`	`roger: 23:55 --> Irssi: #debian-amd64: Total of 72 nicks (0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 72 normal)`
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`22:54.07`	`Orfeous`	`how can i update files in /usr/include/linux/ ?`
`22:54.07`	`MrBallZ`	`im using Sarge 3.1 , but i just want to have the usb auto detection/mounting how knoppix does it`
`22:54.14`	`rr`	`rixth, the phrase bellow is correct?`
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`22:54.30`	`Orfeous`	`is there some packages for that?`
`22:54.32`	`resiak`	`rr: "special" not "especial"`
`22:54.47`	`amphi`	`rr: 'lower case', not 'low case'`
`22:54.48`	`mwilson`	`rixth: Oh. That's not a downloader, that's my duplicate image scanner.`
`22:54.49`	`rr`	`resiak, ok, THX`
`22:54.53`	`resiak`	`!wayttd Orfeous`
`22:54.54`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, Orfeous?`
`22:55.03`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: and?`
`22:55.12`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, no luck :-(`
`22:55.33`	`mwilson`	`rixth: I use brag to slurp newsgroups.`
`22:55.41`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: so alsaconf found your soundcard and runs without any errors?`
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`22:55.45`	`rr`	`amblin, resiak restore or recovery?`
`22:55.58`	`Orfeous`	`resiak: compile my new NIC driver.`
`22:55.59`	`rixth`	`mwilson: can you name any good, free and fast usenet servers?`
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`22:56.09`	`resiak`	`Orfeous: Is it not in the kernel?`
`22:56.14`	`mwilson`	`rixth: No. What's wrong with paying for one?`
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`22:56.15`	`roger`	`comile the kernel with it in ..`
`22:56.18`	`Orfeous`	`resiak: but it fails.. it never had before i have updated it many times before with success`
`22:56.29`	`resiak`	`mwilson: Am I on /ignore?`
`22:56.31`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, alsaconf runs w/o any errors and after it is finished, the modules are there and I can play sound -- until the next reboot.`
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`22:56.37`	`Orfeous`	`resiak: yes it is.. but with an very old driver version`
`22:56.39`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, are you using X or are you on a text console?`
`22:56.45`	`Orfeous`	`resiak: got some problems with the old driver`
`22:56.49`	`rixth`	`mwilson: I don't pay for things which should be free (usually).,`
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`22:56.51`	`JoshH`	`MyNameIsRetro: add the modules it loads to /etc/modules`
`22:56.57`	`mwilson`	`resiak: How would I know? Did you say something to me?`
`22:56.58`	`resiak`	`Orfeous: backs away delicately`
`22:57.05`	`JoshH`	`and also do alsactl store after you change the mixer volumes`
`22:57.08`	`p30n`	`question: whats the easiest way of getting raid 5 on a 4 disc sata setup in sarge ?`
`22:57.10`	`resiak`	`mwilson: 23:53 resiak : mwilson: Which panel is that?`
`22:57.18`	`mwilson`	`rixth: Oh? And why "should" news service be free?`
`22:57.19`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: alsaconf has its own config file, it should usually work`
`22:57.27`	`Orfeous`	`resiak: hehe :)`
`22:57.36`	`mwilson`	`resiak: I don't use a panel.`
`22:57.47`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: something overwrote the settings...`
`22:57.58`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: at boot`
`22:58.03`	`rixth`	`mwilson: Articles people post are their intellectual property, so why should I be giving money to other people for them?`
`22:58.06`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, something's b0rken here, but I wonder what it is.`
`22:58.07`	`Orfeous`	`maybe i should send a email to maintainer for my NIC`
`22:58.11`	`mwilson`	`resiak: Well, not in the same meaning as the Gnome-morons, anyway.,`
`22:58.14`	`resiak`	`mwilson: s/panel/taskbar and workspace switcher/`
`22:58.28`	`mwilson`	`rixth: I suppose you steal your newspaper each day, too?`
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`22:58.36`	`furrywolf`	`umm. I just got a 429496724.3ms ping between one box on my lan and another. the ping only took a few ms. eh?`
`22:58.45`	`roger`	`what is your NIC Orfeours`
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`22:58.49`	`mwilson`	`resiak: Oh, that. That's just fspanel.`
`22:58.55`	`rixth`	`mwilson: the journalists get paid, Usenet users don't.`
`22:59.13`	`citral`	`rixth: mwilson just wants to pay to download erotic pictures, that's his choice :)`
`22:59.17`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, I did lsmod > lsmod.before.txt and will do lsmod > lsmod-after.txt after alsaconf is finished, let's see...`
`22:59.17`	`MrBallZ`	`rixth : im using Sarge 3.1 , but i just want to have the usb auto detection/mounting how knoppix does it`
`22:59.20`	`mwilson`	`rixth: You see no reason to pay for services rendered?`
`22:59.24`	`Orfeous`	`resiak: but the new driver is available at apt-archive, the only thing is that i dont know how to deal with make-kpkg.. it doesnt says in the readme to the NIC documents.. just that i must use make-kpkg`
`22:59.37`	`p30n`	`easiest way to achieve software raid-5 ? someone?`
`22:59.38`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: no need`
`22:59.43`	`rixth`	`mwilson: difference of opinion, this argument is going no where!`
`22:59.43`	`resiak`	`mwilson: Not a panel? Description: minimalist panel for X`
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`23:00.01`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: the problem is still that something overwrote the settings (alsaconf) at boot time`
`23:00.11`	`rixth`	`mwilson: I'm gonna take a look at Openbox3. I'm sick of Gnomes bloated-ness`
`23:00.18`	`mwilson`	`resiak: I said, not in the way the Gnome-morons mean, as a place to put useless stuff.`
`23:00.25`	`resiak`	`mwilson: Fair enough.`
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`23:01.07`	`jair`	`guys it is a channel for vsftpd?`
`23:01.22`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: on a wild guess its hotplug`
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`23:01.24`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, could it be that the soundcore module is missing and that it would load the other ALSA stuff automatically if it was present?`
`23:01.32`	`citral`	`jair: can be`
`23:01.41`	`resiak`	`mwilson: That is not your workspace switcher!`
`23:01.51`	`roger`	`just not one for amd64 lol`
`23:02.05`	`citral`	`depends on the question`
`23:02.12`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: no, alsaconf made its own settings, but discover or hotplug overwrote them at boot time`
`23:02.21`	`resiak`	`roger: Did you join #debian-amd64 ?`
`23:02.24`	`jair`	`got it`
`23:02.25`	`jair`	`;)`
`23:02.51`	`mwilson`	`resiak: Excuse me?`
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`23:02.53`	`cddesjar`	`there is a poll on linuxquestions.org that asks what your preferred way to install packages is and one of the choices is RPMs...lol`
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`23:03.05`	`Babatko`	`how can i access the usb flash disk content?`
`23:03.10`	`resiak`	`mwilson: What's the workspace switcher that you're running?`
`23:03.15`	`roger`	`resiak: cheears wad on #amd64 lol`
`23:03.15`	`cddesjar`	`http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=342191`
`23:03.20`	`streuner`	`MyNameIsRetro: just follow the advice someone gave you already and put those alsa modules into /etc/modules`
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`23:03.30`	`citral`	`Babatko: did you modprobe usb-storage already?`
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`23:03.46`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, okay, I prepared a list of sound modules I could add to /etc/modules, but if you have an idea how we can tell hotplug to keep the alsaconf settings, I'd prefer to try that first.`
`23:03.48`	`jair`	`anyone here use vsftp?`
`23:03.56`	`Babatko`	`citral: no... trying now :D`
`23:04.08`	`citral`	`jair: no. not even the ones who use it.`
`23:04.18`	`mwilson`	`What "workspace switcher"? There's a copy of fspanel running and a copy of netwmpager running. If I want to switch workspaces, I use ctrl-left/right or Mod4-workspace_number.`
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`23:04.31`	`junix-other`	`how do i hold back an update?`
`23:04.33`	`Babatko`	`but first time i plugged it in it showed something usb mass storage ...`
`23:04.43`	`citral`	`jair: joking, just ask your question`
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`23:04.54`	`resiak`	`mwilson: netwmpager. Thanks. I used to call them pagers, but people confused that with less and more.`
`23:05.09`	`Babatko`	`citral: do i need to mount it then?`
`23:05.17`	`citral`	`Babatko: yep`
`23:05.24`	`Babatko`	`and please how...`
`23:06.12`	`citral`	`Babatko: how is it formatted? fat system?`
`23:06.16`	`Babatko`	`yes...`
`23:06.39`	`jair`	`citral, ok I did installed now, but the reason i did it is because I am hosting a web site for a computer class in apache.`
`23:07.01`	`jair`	`citral, then the dreamweaver have an option to connect usinmg a ssh connectiong ftp`
`23:07.05`	`citral`	`something like # mount /dev/sda -t vfat /mnt`
`23:07.29`	`jair`	`citral, if I try to connect using the httpd.conf will not work i need a ftp server`
`23:07.33`	`p30n`	`question: whats the easiest way of getting raid 5 on a 4 disc sata setup in sarge, with software ?`
`23:07.42`	`citral`	`jair: so?`
`23:07.58`	`grigora`	`with Sarge being released, do I have to do anything to move from testing to stable? thanks`
`23:08.09`	`roger`	`reinstall :P`
`23:08.11`	`jair`	`citral, but the apache index and the other images (root) directory is /var/www and the ftp server I think by default is on the /home/user directory`
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`23:08.51`	`citral`	`jair: no, vsftpd is by default anonymous only and leads to /home/ftp`
`23:09.03`	`jair`	`citral, correct`
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`23:09.31`	`Babatko`	`citral: thanks /dev/sdb works`
`23:09.34`	`jMCg`	`hello, good morning.`
`23:09.42`	`jair`	`citral, so it is a way that I can change that folder to the apache /var/www so people can connect to the ftp using other tools as well like the one from dreamweaver.`
`23:09.46`	`rixth`	`Well, I logged out, set my session to "Openbox" in GDM, it took my password, then nothing happened.`
`23:10.08`	`jMCg`	`i just have one tiny little question: Does Debian take DSA authentificaiton keys?`
`23:10.10`	`jair`	`citral, I know that in the /etc/vsftpd.conf should be a line that I can change for that?`
`23:10.18`	`citral`	`jair: yeah, by reading the man page, man vsftpd.conf iirc`
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`23:10.33`	`jair`	`citral, or will be better change the apache /var/www root directory path to the /home/ftp`
`23:10.56`	`resiak`	`rixth: right-click the desktop. Ob3 doesn't have much of its own.`
`23:10.58`	`jair`	`citral, but beleive me I am trying to find that line and it do not appear`
`23:11.02`	`asd`	`where can I get the sql dump of dpkg info bot?`
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`23:11.13`	`jair`	`citral, so the user then is anonymous`
`23:11.20`	`rixth`	`resiak: oh, brb`
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`23:11.23`	`kornaz`	`hi`
`23:11.32`	`jair`	`citral, how I should create or add a new user for example webmaster?`
`23:11.38`	`jMCg`	`DSA ? Debian? anyone?`
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`23:12.26`	`citral`	`jair: hum... you should know better, running an http and ftp server can be a big security risk if you don't have a clue about *nix`
`23:12.36`	`mwilson`	`jMCg: "take" them? Take them where?`
`23:13.06`	`jMCg`	`mwilson, most preverable up the ass - or as authentification via ssh.`
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`23:13.17`	`rixth_`	`Doesn't actually seem that bad. The fonts are so small though!`
`23:13.24`	`asd`	`is there still a way to download dpkg's bot database in .sql format ?`
`23:13.38`	`jair`	`citral, I have everything secure so far`
`23:13.43`	`citral`	`jair: the line you were looking for is "anon_root"`
`23:13.46`	`xyekt`	`Anyone know how to add alias ranges in /etc/network/interfaces?`
`23:13.47`	`kornaz`	`could anyone please explain, why do i have to bridge 2 or more intefaces, but not 1? i have this weird subnet, attached to one interface of my router, and i cant route on layer 3, so i decided to do a bridge.`
`23:13.53`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, good news and bad news, once again...`
`23:13.57`	`xyekt`	`As near as I can tell, there is no documentation`
`23:14.07`	`jair`	`citral, ftp://ftp@192.168.168.28 I try this and it works with the anonymous and the "test" directory`
`23:14.42`	`MyNameIsRetro`	`streuner, after adding the modules to /etc/modules, they survive a reboot, but KDE still refuses to play sounds`
`23:14.47`	`jair`	`citral, ohhh this one is the one I will change to make it /var/www`
`23:14.48`	`jair`	`?`
`23:14.49`	`rixth`	`Well, after a v. brief stint in Ob3, I'll take a look at it later.`
`23:14.50`	`liable`	`asd: /msg dpkg your factoids`
`23:14.54`	`mwilson`	`jMCg: Well, your stupidity aside, is there some reason in particular you would expect Debian's openSSH packages to not support DSA?`
`23:15.00`	`*** part/#debian irc (~root@82.131.182.81.pool.invitel.hu)`
`23:15.03`	`citral`	`jair: read the man page.`
`23:15.17`	`jair`	`citral, and to create a new user and new directory ftp user ???`
`23:15.28`	`resiak`	`rixth: Install obconf`
`23:15.29`	`citral`	`manadduser`
`23:15.33`	`citral`	`man adduser`
`23:15.42`	`asd`	`liable thanks`
`23:15.44`	`xyekt`	`Anyone familiar with /etc/network/interfaces when attempting to assign subnet ranges?`
`23:16.00`	`cat`	`just run adduser and follow the steps really easy`
`23:16.07`	`rixth`	`How can I log people off from the terminal (as root)`
`23:16.17`	`jair`	`citral, ohh because if I have a user then the user home will be the ftp directory correct?`
`23:16.34`	`xyekt`	`rixth: ps aux, locate the process for the user in question, usually a shell, bash/csh/zsh etc, and kill the shell process.`
`23:16.53`	`jMCg`	`ssh still asking for a password?`
`23:17.02`	`*** join/#debian karsten (~karsten@o1-dialup-66-81-218-55.rev.o1.com)`
`23:17.04`	`jMCg`	`mwilson, ssh still asking for a password?`
`23:17.27`	`citral`	`jair: there is NO SUCH user home`
`23:17.34`	`eeyore-`	`jMCg: "ssh -v", verbose. there's probably another reason why. could be wrong permission for ~/.ssh, or for some files`
`23:17.43`	`dystopian`	`I hope this isn't too corny but: If one were to begin learning how to program in C what would a good editor be. Is there one with the default Sarge desktop?`
`23:17.45`	`*** join/#debian daedalus_ (~ngallahe@carbon.citi.umich.edu)`
`23:17.56`	`eeyore-`	`jMCg: or, could be wrong protocol. or, maybe server doesn't like it. ssh -v will tell you most of these`
`23:17.57`	`amphi`	`dystopian: vim`
`23:17.58`	`karsten`	`daedalus_: emacs / xemacs / vim`
`23:18.07`	`xyekt`	`no one knows how to add aliases to a primary interface for ip ranges?`
`23:18.09`	`amphi`	`dystopian: emacs ;)`
`23:18.11`	`xyekt`	`Is it even possible with debian?`
`23:18.16`	`citral`	`!tell jair about fundamentals`
`23:18.20`	`daedalus_`	`karstem..: WHat?`
`23:18.20`	`eeyore-`	`dystopian: vim`
`23:18.25`	`jair`	`citral, /home/user`
`23:18.37`	`raf256`	`Guerin: look look \o/`
`23:18.40`	`daedalus_`	`karsten: Vim`
`23:18.46`	`mwilson`	`Or the server doesn't have a copy of the public key, or endless other things.`
`23:18.49`	`jair`	`citral, ok don't be smart ass please I am not so newbie...`
`23:18.51`	`eeyore-`	`xyekt: example`
`23:19.01`	`jMCg`	`mwilson, it does have the key.`
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`23:19.03`	`dystopian`	`cool. I didn't know Vim dealt with C. I don't program much. thanks!`
`23:19.07`	`mwilson`	`jMCg: Sure it does.`
`23:19.15`	`resiak`	`dystopian: vim and emacs do _everything_`
`23:19.21`	`jMCg`	`mwilson, i copied it there..`
`23:19.23`	`Guerin`	`raf256: ?`
`23:19.25`	`Derkommissar`	`I have a laptop, it has a mobility radeon 9000 for a video card... im trying to have more workspace so i want to have 2 monitors... the laptop monitor and an external... rigth now the only ting it does is that it mirros the desktop, i want to spand it to the external monitor or i want to have a new deskop on the external monitor.... how can i achive this ????`
`23:19.29`	`dystopian`	`awesome.`
`23:19.43`	`Derkommissar`	`here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/311564`
`23:19.43`	`mwilson`	`jMCg: Really. And inserted it into authorized_keys?`
`23:19.46`	`xyekt`	`eeyore-: I have three class c's I need to have pingable off of this box. No real traffic will be going over any of them. I'm attempting to add a range to /etc/network/interfaces, in order to not have to add an entry for each and every ip in the block.`
`23:19.52`	`raf256`	`Guerin: I actually solved a problem by the way of reading through kernel docs :) I noticed yesterday in dmesg: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } and it turnss out that kernel option Use multi-mode by default (IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE) is supposed to work around that, nice coincidence, reading entire make xconfig payed out :)`
`23:19.55`	`jMCg`	`mwilson, yes.`
`23:19.56`	`xyekt`	`one entry per eth0:#`
`23:20.03`	`mwilson`	`jMCg: I'm sure.`
`23:20.07`	`citral`	`jair: obviously... understand it's for your own good. Just go read some docs and in one or two days you can set up your box properly if you are not (and I think you are not) too dumb`
`23:20.15`	`eeyore-`	`xyekt: can't ever do a "range of IP to an interface", debian or not`
`23:20.20`	`xyekt`	`In redhat there's an option for using range files that will auto-generate and add the aliases for all ips within a block.`
`23:20.24`	`jMCg`	`mwilson, followed this wiki http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/using%20SSH-keys .`
`23:20.32`	`Guerin`	`raf256: wonders never cease.`
`23:20.32`	`resiak`	`Derkommissar: What distro are you using?`
`23:20.37`	`jMCg`	`mwilson, apart from the keychain part.`
`23:20.54`	`amphi`	`dystopian: apt-get install exuberant-ctags - you'll enjoy it/them ;)`
`23:20.58`	`eeyore-`	`xyekt: ok, so it's still one IP per alias. there just happen to be a front-end script for that. what's wrong with scripting it yourself? :-)`
`23:21.11`	`xyekt`	`I have no time to code it :/`
`23:21.26`	`eeyore-`	`xyekt: dude, this thing is like a five-minute proposition`
`23:21.29`	`sett`	`any good widget style things like karamba gdesklets for gnome?`
`23:21.36`	`xyekt`	`a simple bash script would do, I know, just trying to save time, three other projects on my plate since my co-worker quit yesterday.`
`23:21.40`	`jMCg`	`heh..`
`23:21.48`	`jMCg`	`found the friggin error`
`23:21.50`	`jMCg`	`thanks guys`
`23:21.51`	`Guerin`	`sett: gdesklets?`
`23:21.51`	`Derkommissar`	`resiak, Ubuntu`
`23:21.52`	`xyekt`	`I wondered if there was a built-in equivilant within debian.`
`23:21.56`	`resiak`	`!ubuntu`
`23:21.56`	`dpkg`	`somebody said ubuntu was NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07`
`23:21.57`	`jMCg`	`i'm sure it was the aura of the channel :D`
`23:22.03`	`sett`	`seems to me they all suck`
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`23:22.11`	`sett`	`I use torsmo and gkrellm now`
`23:22.13`	`Derkommissar`	`LOL`
`23:22.16`	`Derkommissar`	`:-)`
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`23:22.23`	`karsten`	`resiak: Is that anything like gaydar?`
`23:22.23`	`Derkommissar`	`sorry`
`23:22.26`	`mwilson`	`eeyore-: But he has time to complain about not having it on IRC.`
`23:22.33`	`Derkommissar`	`it automaticly joined this channel`
`23:22.33`	`dystopian`	`amphi, what are the exuberant ctags?`
`23:22.38`	`karsten`	`resiak: ...not that there's anything wrong with that...`
`23:22.39`	`xyekt`	`Who's complaining?`
`23:22.43`	`resiak`	`Derkommissar: _Bullshit_`
`23:22.46`	`Guerin`	`Derkommissar: really?`
`23:22.50`	`Guerin`	`i think you LIE`
`23:22.52`	`xyekt`	`I simply asked if it was possible.`
`23:22.57`	`*** join/#debian ecobit (~ecobit@merchante-solutions.com-gw.customer.alter.net)`
`23:23.01`	`xyekt`	`And since I idle here regularly...`
`23:23.02`	`Derkommissar`	`resiak, i will give you access trough vnc to my pc`
`23:23.10`	`xyekt`	`But thanks for being an ass.`
`23:23.11`	`Derkommissar`	`i dont like people calling me lier`
`23:23.17`	`Anders`	`Derkommissar, lier!`
`23:23.20`	`Guerin`	`!shell access`
`23:23.21`	`dpkg`	`DON'T be a fucking moron. Offering shell accessss to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will i be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access.`
`23:23.28`	`amphi`	`dystopian: apt-cache show exuberant-ctags`
`23:23.28`	`Anders`	`haha`
`23:23.32`	`eeyore-`	`xyekt: seq -f "192.168.1.%g" 1 100 \| while read ip; do .....; done`
`23:23.38`	`*** join/#debian TuxMeister (~mario@62.57.229.232)`
`23:23.41`	`TuxMeister`	`hey guys`
`23:23.41`	`Derkommissar`	`dude the guy sayd i lied`
`23:23.45`	`TuxMeister`	`i have a little problem`
`23:23.48`	`resiak`	`Derkommissar: What IRC client auto-joins #debian ?`
`23:23.50`	`eeyore-`	`xyekt: literally a five-minute proposition`
`23:23.56`	`xyekt`	`cheers`
`23:23.58`	`Derkommissar`	`on ubuntu,,,, x-chat`
`23:23.59`	`ecobit`	`hi, i have source package which i don't want to install into / but into my own custom root so that i can package it. is there a technique so that i can run "make install" but it doesn't go into real / but into my own fake / ?`
`23:24.00`	`sett`	`bitchx`
`23:24.17`	`mwilson`	`eeyore-: See, you let him annoy you into doing his thinking for him.`
`23:24.18`	`sett`	`xchat :)`
`23:24.26`	`simonrvn`	`it is believable, many debian irc clients have #debian as a default channel`
`23:24.32`	`xyekt`	`mwilson: He's being helpful instead of a smart ass.`
`23:24.39`	`xyekt`	`eeyore-: thanks.`
`23:24.41`	`*** join/#debian ignacio_ (~ignacio@81-172-24-53.usuarios.retecal.es)`
`23:24.41`	`daedalus_`	`Derkommissar: So the tard said you lied... Welcome to IRC. People say shit all the time. Suck it up and move on.`
`23:24.46`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: ubuntu clients don't, though`
`23:24.47`	`*** join/#debian juanma (~juanma@84-120-132-74.onocable.ono.com)`
`23:24.47`	`ignacio_`	`holas`
`23:24.49`	`*** join/#debian SuperBIOS (rApToRbyAL@81-172-49-16.usuarios.retecal.es)`
`23:24.51`	`ignacio_`	`dame un canal de ubuntus en españolk`
`23:24.55`	`Derkommissar`	`But is true`
`23:24.59`	`dystopian`	`amphi, thanks!`
`23:24.59`	`resiak`	`!es`
`23:24.59`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`23:25.00`	`ledet`	`ignacio_: lkjas fhadf ghad!`
`23:25.16`	`TuxMeister`	`i've just installed net-install and X server and i can only fix 640x480 resolution`
`23:25.19`	`Guerin`	`Derkommissar: please file a bug against that irc client in the ubuntu bug tracking system`
`23:25.23`	`amphi`	`dystopian: pleasure ;)`
`23:25.26`	`simonrvn`	`i did say 'debian' ;). not ubuntu, not knoppix (though they don't bother changing it either)`
`23:25.27`	`abrotman`	`and get out of #debian ?`
`23:25.33`	`Derkommissar`	`Guerin, i will`
`23:25.38`	`simonrvn`	`nor mepis, nor...`
`23:25.39`	`Guerin`	`Derkommissar: cheers.`
`23:25.49`	`Derkommissar`	`Guerin, how can i see the autojoins on xchats ?`
`23:25.51`	`daedalus_`	`Derkommissar: Then be satisfied that you're right, and he's wrong... in a few hours, nobody's going to remember it. You don't have to defend your honor over one little statement like that.`
`23:25.52`	`resiak`	`Derkommissar: Apologies if you really weren't lying :)`
`23:25.57`	`resiak`	`00:25 resiak : X-Chat users: Does Ubuntu's default setup auto-join #debian?`
`23:25.58`	`Guerin`	`Derkommissar: no idea.`
`23:25.59`	`*** join/#debian btech (~btech@adsl-0-179-123.mob.bellsouth.net)`
`23:26.01`	`Derkommissar`	`is there a file i can put in pastebin`
`23:26.02`	`resiak`	`00:27 @ nalioth : resiak: no it joins #ubuntu by default`
`23:26.13`	`ecobit`	`anyone? is there a techique in which i can run "make install" on a source package but actually have it install its heirarchcy into some other directory besides /root without having to change the --prefix option ?`
`23:26.13`	`Derkommissar`	`resiak, no hard feelings man :-)`
`23:26.15`	`Derkommissar`	`its all cool`
`23:26.21`	`Derkommissar`	`there got to be a file`
`23:26.22`	`btech`	`does anyone know how to use ndiswrapper?`
`23:26.36`	`Guerin`	`ecobit: what sort of package are you making?`
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`23:26.43`	`mwilson`	`btech: No, no one anywhere has ever figured out how to use ndiswrapper.`
`23:26.44`	`*** part/#debian MyNameIsRetro (~sbaur@dsl-084-056-173-184.arcor-ip.net)`
`23:26.57`	`mwilson`	`btech: Even the program authors have no idea how to use it.`
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`23:27.02`	`ecobit`	`Guerin: just a small little app with a config file in /etc, a couple man pages, and a binary in /usr/bin`
`23:27.06`	`abrotman`	`!tell btech about ndiswrapper`
`23:27.11`	`Guerin`	`ecobit: what sort of package`
`23:27.17`	`xyekt`	`mwilson: Do you do anything in here other than spout of like a bitch? Just curious.`
`23:27.22`	`Guerin`	`ecobit: .deb, .rpm, .exe?`
`23:27.23`	`xyekt`	`s/of/off`
`23:27.28`	`ecobit`	`Guerin: deb of course`
`23:27.29`	`Derkommissar`	`I FOUND IT`
`23:27.48`	`ecobit`	`Guerin: oh, the source it source from CVS`
`23:27.51`	`Guerin`	`ecobit: use the debian tools. dh_make, dbuild, etc.`
`23:28.08`	`_metaperl_vc`	`abrotman: what's so good about jigdo?`
`23:28.12`	`Guerin`	`ecobit: you don't need to fuck around with alternate roots, the tools can do it all for you.`
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`23:28.20`	`Derkommissar`	`here is the file`
`23:28.22`	`Derkommissar`	`http://pastebin.com/311573`
`23:28.24`	`abrotman`	`what's so good about torrent`
`23:28.24`	`Derkommissar`	`look at it`
`23:28.44`	`btech`	`is there another way for me to use my wireless driver from win in linux its a blitzz bwu713`
`23:28.50`	`ecobit`	`Guerin: i know but i actually prefer to do it manually once so i can actually see everything it does and have more control over it. but maybe i will have to do as you recommend. thanks`
`23:28.51`	`Derkommissar`	`/home/alberto/.xchat2/servlist_.conf`
`23:28.51`	`Guerin`	`ecobit: quickets and dirtiest way: cd into the source tree and run dh_make, then debian/rules binary`
`23:29.09`	`_metaperl_vc`	`abrotman: the way you tell it what you want. Jigdo can only take URLs. Torrent can take locations, files... plus everything else I get is via torrent`
`23:29.11`	`abrotman`	`btech: google for a native wifi driver`
`23:29.11`	`Guerin`	`ecobit: read the nm guide, then.`
`23:29.18`	`Guerin`	`!tell ecobit about nm guide`
`23:29.25`	`*** join/#debian vini (~vini@200.203.68.198)`
`23:29.26`	`abrotman`	`that's it? .. that's what's good ?`
`23:29.33`	`abrotman`	`that's just dumb`
`23:29.50`	`mwilson`	`abrotman: Well, he can't steal with jigdo.`
`23:29.57`	`*** join/#debian gravity (~david@pool-129-44-187-14.bos.east.verizon.net)`
`23:29.58`	`btech`	`ok. im new to this. what is a native wifi driver`
`23:30.01`	`Guerin`	`bittorrent is great stuff`
`23:30.04`	`vini`	`how can I force mount to mount a device with NTFS? (-t do not works)`
`23:30.06`	`_metaperl_vc`	`jigdo is clunky`
`23:30.08`	`Derkommissar`	`resiak, Here is the file where it shows Ubuntu autojoining Debian....... /home/alberto/.xchat2/servlist_.conf thats the file on xchat http://pastebin.com/311573`
`23:30.17`	`abrotman`	`torrent sucks`
`23:30.21`	`abrotman`	`noone fucking uploads`
`23:30.28`	`simonrvn`	`Derkommissar: we saw you post that already. ...`
`23:30.29`	`abrotman`	`at least jigdo relies on servers`
`23:30.30`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: depends what you're using it for.`
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`23:30.39`	`Derkommissar`	`well sorry guys`
`23:30.41`	`Derkommissar`	`see you later`
`23:30.43`	`Derkommissar`	`:-)`
`23:30.50`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: i tried to torrent amd64 sarge installer .. it couldn't even go over 60k`
`23:31.06`	`resiak`	`Derkommissar: I saw it.`
`23:31.08`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: sorry .. that's just sad`
`23:31.09`	`ecobit`	`isnt' there some way to say "make install (but pretend that /dir/foo is actually /" ?`
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`23:31.29`	`abrotman`	`ecobit: ./configure --help`
`23:31.31`	`jla`	`like fakeroot?`
`23:31.43`	`cddesjar`	`bittorrent is the only way to download!`
`23:31.43`	`Guerin`	`jla: fakeroot does nothing of the sort`
`23:32.04`	`Guerin`	`cddesjar: how do you download .torrents?`
`23:32.05`	`ecobit`	`abrotman: yes that is one way`
`23:32.06`	`vini`	`please! how can I force mount to mount a device with NTFS? (-t do not works)`
`23:32.08`	`jla`	`I misread. chroot`
`23:32.17`	`cddesjar`	`i have been using azureus`
`23:32.21`	`Guerin`	`!doesn't work`
`23:32.21`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`23:32.26`	`mwilson`	`vini: Why would it need to be forced?`
`23:32.27`	`_metaperl_vc`	`azureus take torrent to a new level`
`23:32.29`	`Guerin`	`cddesjar: doesn't answer the question`
`23:32.33`	`_metaperl_vc`	`it is a dream app`
`23:32.39`	`ecobit`	`jla: you think that would just work? try it`
`23:32.40`	`*** join/#debian roler (~chris@208.179.120.11)`
`23:32.46`	`Guerin`	`azureus is still braindead bloated java shiteware`
`23:32.55`	`cddesjar`	`Guerin: i click on the torrent file and azureus opens it up and downloads it`
`23:33.06`	`Guerin`	`cddesjar: how does it download it?`
`23:33.08`	`resiak`	`cddesjar: Same as with every other bt client?`
`23:33.13`	`Guerin`	`cddesjar: hint: not via bittorrent.`
`23:33.14`	`roler`	`what program is it that will give me a MacOS X looking application loader with the enlarging icons as you hover over them?`
`23:33.15`	`cddesjar`	`i do agree that azureus is bloated`
`23:33.25`	`vini`	`mwilson, my NTFS partition lost her head... My computer dont know which partitions is`
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`23:33.33`	`Guerin`	`vini: you're fucked.`
`23:33.38`	`_metaperl_vc`	`how would I check for azureus bloat? what system command?`
`23:33.57`	`Guerin`	`_metaperl_vc: you wouldn't`
`23:34.00`	`vini`	`Guerin, really? not to do?`
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`23:34.15`	`_metaperl_vc`	`Guerin: is there some way to test your assertion that azureus is bloatware?`
`23:34.16`	`Guerin`	`_metaperl_vc: or perhaps you'd compare the ram/cpu usage to the same torrents running, say, rtorrent`
`23:34.25`	`initech`	`_metaperl_vc: java`
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`23:34.31`	`Guerin`	`_metaperl_vc: it's java, dug`
`23:34.35`	`abrotman`	`i can't believe you pirate so much stuff that you think azureus is a dream app .. what a loser`
`23:34.49`	`romulo`	`hi, my ctrl+alt+f1-f7 doesnt work anymore since i upgraded this morning, what could be happening?`
`23:34.57`	`_metaperl_vc`	`abrotman: you dont know what I'm distributing or why`
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`23:35.19`	`abrotman`	`_metaperl_vc: so clue me in .. otherwise .. you're distributing stuff you shouldn't be`
`23:35.46`	`cddesjar`	`Guerin: it downloads the file from the community that has the file? i.e. if i have downloaded foo then you can download foo from me provided i am seeding foo`
`23:36.01`	`Orfeous`	`hmm, wondering if i should upgrade to 2.6 from 2.4 or not..`
`23:36.03`	`Guerin`	`cddesjar: you really missed this joke`
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`23:36.09`	`cddesjar`	`Guerin: shit`
`23:36.19`	`Agrajag-`	`roler: have you got the option DontVTSwitch in your x config?`
`23:36.25`	`Orfeous`	`the computer is used as server`
`23:36.30`	`Guerin`	`cddesjar: you said 'torrent is teh only way to download', neglecting the fact that you have to first download thetorrent file by http`
`23:36.35`	`rixth`	`Okay, if Gnome 2,1 has been released, why when I right click and click "about" does it say Gnome 2.8?`
`23:36.47`	`abrotman`	`!info gnome-session sid`
`23:36.50`	`resiak`	`rixth: Because you have'nt got 2.10 instaled ?`
`23:36.50`	`dpkg`	`gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 1398 kB`
`23:36.55`	`mwilson`	`rixth: Why would it say anything different?`
`23:37.02`	`resiak`	`!info gnome-session etch`
`23:37.02`	`cddesjar`	`sure`
`23:37.05`	`dpkg`	`gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 432 kB, Installed size: 2080 kB`
`23:37.11`	`roler`	`Agrajag; yes, but it is rem'd out`
`23:37.20`	`Guerin`	`rem'ed???!?!?!1`
`23:37.23`	`Agrajag-`	`haha`
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`23:37.33`	`rixth`	`It says 2,8 thats my point. According in gnome.org 2.10 is latest,`
`23:37.35`	`abrotman`	`right .. no response .. i feel justified`
`23:37.39`	`caravena`	`./join #debian-es`
`23:37.39`	`rixth`	`So why is it version 2.8?`
`23:37.43`	`abrotman`	`rixth: are you running sid ?`
`23:37.44`	`mwilson`	`rixth: So? What does that have to do with anything?`
`23:37.45`	`resiak`	`rixth: So 2.10 isn't yet in ?`
`23:37.49`	`simonrvn`	`um, it'd be gnome 2.10, not 2.1`
`23:37.57`	`Guerin`	`rixth: come on, you've been using debian long enough to know this.`
`23:38.02`	`cddesjar`	`anyone use bittorando?`
`23:38.08`	`resiak`	`!anyone use`
`23:38.08`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.`
`23:38.09`	`Guerin`	`!anyone use`
`23:38.10`	`roler`	`agrajag; so why do you ask?`
`23:38.10`	`abrotman`	`no .. torrents suck`
`23:38.13`	`resiak`	`!win me`
`23:38.13`	`abrotman`	`use jigdo`
`23:38.13`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, resiak! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
`23:38.13`	`Guerin`	`pwn3d`
`23:38.14`	`dystopian`	`so now I have to get a good book on how to work in Vim...`
`23:38.26`	`gravity`	`dystopian: No such thing, sadly`
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`23:38.31`	`abrotman`	`rixth: are you running sid ?`
`23:38.41`	`pipeline`	`dystopian: you don't really need a book-length text on vi.`
`23:38.43`	`Guerin`	`'good' and 'vim' on the same line! ahhahahah`
`23:38.44`	`Agrajag-`	`roler: why do i ask? because that option disables the f1-f7 key functionality`
`23:38.46`	`rixth`	`You guys are missing my point, The official latest version from Gnome is 2.10, how cna the one in Etch be 2.8?`
`23:38.48`	`gravity`	`dystopian: Your best bet is to google for things like "vim tips" and read the vim help`
`23:38.50`	`rixth`	`abrotman: no, Etch.`
`23:38.54`	`Guerin`	`<let the trolling begin!>`
`23:38.59`	`dystopian`	`that's cool.`
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`23:39.03`	`abrotman`	`rixth: well no shit ... etch doesn't have 2.10 ..`
`23:39.05`	`roler`	`agrajag; I don't want to do that. heh. I asked about the MacOS X Application Loader`
`23:39.06`	`mwilson`	`rixth: Uh, because it's not IN Etch yet?`
`23:39.11`	`gravity`	`rixth: Because the newest version wasn't put in to etch yet by Debian`
`23:39.14`	`abrotman`	`rixth: how long have you been using debian ?`
`23:39.16`	`gravity`	`rixth: Make sense? These things aren't magic`
`23:39.17`	`mwilson`	`wafm`
`23:39.20`	`Guerin`	`rixth: two point ten`
`23:39.24`	`Guerin`	`rixth: not two point one`
`23:39.26`	`pipeline`	`rixth: Gnome 2.10 is in unstable already...`
`23:39.34`	`abrotman`	`pipeline: he's not using sid`
`23:39.39`	`Agrajag-`	`roler: whoops sorry, that was meant ot be for romulo :P`
`23:39.42`	`resiak`	`Guerin: Use joe!`
`23:39.46`	`gravity`	`rixth: When it's ready to go in to etch, it will move there`
`23:39.48`	`abrotman`	`!info sex woody`
`23:39.50`	`mwilson`	`He's not using his brain, either.`
`23:39.52`	`Guerin`	`resiak: omfg gedit!`
`23:39.55`	`pipeline`	`abrotman: Oh, he's on testing. Whoops.`
`23:40.01`	`abrotman`	`pipeline: keep up :)`
`23:40.11`	`roler`	`agrajag; :)`
`23:40.11`	`pipeline`	`abrotman: Still wrapping mind around etch being testing, sarge being stable. It's mindshaking!`
`23:40.12`	`resiak`	`Guerin: echo; head; tail; grep !`
`23:40.13`	`Guerin`	`resiak: notepad in wine!`
`23:40.29`	`daedalus_`	`!beer guerin`
`23:40.31`	`pipeline`	`resiak, Guerin : leafpad is like notepad but native`
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`23:40.33`	`resiak`	`Guerin: MS DOS edit in dosbox !`
`23:40.34`	`rixth`	`Once again, missing my point. Why is the version of Gnome in Etch "2.8" when the latest from Gnome officially is 2.10. Isn't that impossible?`
`23:40.42`	`Guerin`	`rixth: bah`
`23:40.42`	`resiak`	`rixth: ....`
`23:40.42`	`abrotman`	`rixth: just fucking stop`
`23:40.48`	`[t0rc]`	`i assume that the IA-64 release supports any 64bit proc`
`23:40.49`	`abrotman`	`rixth: you can't be that stupid can you ?`
`23:40.49`	`[t0rc]`	`??`
`23:40.50`	`Agrajag-`	`what the hell is he on about`
`23:40.52`	`simonrvn`	`no, you're missing the point`
`23:40.54`	`resiak`	`rixth: It's not a decimal.`
`23:40.56`	`gravity`	`rixth: No. No it's not`
`23:40.58`	`abrotman`	`[t0rc]: no .. not even close`
`23:41.04`	`rixth`	`God, no reason to be fuckwits. No wonder this channel got rated one of the worst on Freenode.`
`23:41.04`	`Guerin`	`rixth: what part of TWO PINT TEN is unclear to you?`
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`23:41.08`	`mwilson`	`Agrajag-: He's yet another moron that thinks v2.10 == v2.1`
`23:41.09`	`Guerin`	`err`
`23:41.10`	`pipeline`	`rixth: 2.4 -> 2.6 - > 2.8 -> 2.10`
`23:41.11`	`Guerin`	`POINT`
`23:41.11`	`daedalus_`	`rixth: 8 < 10`
`23:41.13`	`Guerin`	`<hic>`
`23:41.15`	`Agrajag-`	`heh`
`23:41.19`	`abrotman`	`[t0rc]: it only supports ia64 .. itanium`
`23:41.23`	`resiak`	`Guerin: _Nice_`
`23:41.24`	`gravity`	`Troll? Probably.`
`23:41.27`	`abrotman`	`wait .. we're fuckwits ?`
`23:41.33`	`Guerin`	`he's sort-of a regular`
`23:41.36`	`abrotman`	`gravity: no . he's here all the time`
`23:41.37`	`Agrajag-`	`lol i get it now`
`23:41.37`	`gravity`	`He's gone, leave it alone`
`23:41.41`	`gravity`	`abrotman: For real?`
`23:41.42`	`simonrvn`	`yeh, we're fuckwits for pointing out he's wrong`
`23:41.46`	`gravity`	`Is he always retarded?`
`23:41.49`	`simonrvn`	`yes`
`23:41.51`	`abrotman`	`gravity: yes .. and he's been using debian for a long time iirc`
`23:41.51`	`Guerin`	`not usually`
`23:41.51`	`romulo`	`Agrajag-, wich option disable the terminal funcitonality`
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`23:41.55`	`gravity`	`Wow`
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`23:42.04`	`Agrajag-`	`romulo: "DontVTSwitch"`
`23:42.04`	`gravity`	`Hooray for retards`
`23:42.04`	`[t0rc]`	`abrotman, thats why I asked. that and i figured I86...intel...`
`23:42.09`	`Guerin`	`naw, he's a newb but he's not typically obtuse like that`
`23:42.13`	`abrotman`	`gravity: maybe he thinkks etch is unstable ?`
`23:42.14`	`gravity`	`Thank god he didn't ask about X.Org :-p`
`23:42.17`	`Guerin`	`hehe`
`23:42.19`	`abrotman`	`[t0rc]: what kind of CPU do you have ?`
`23:42.19`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Possibly...`
`23:42.20`	`romulo`	`Agrajag-, and where it is found?`
`23:42.25`	`Guerin`	`i'm about to install those packages, actually`
`23:42.27`	`mwilson`	`I don't see what it's got to do with how long he's been using Debian... stupidity like that is completely cross-platform.`
`23:42.27`	`Agrajag-`	`romulo: in your x config file`
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`23:42.35`	`simonrvn`	`heheh`
`23:42.36`	`romulo`	`Agrajag-, its not there`
`23:42.36`	`MrBallZ`	`how can i implement the USB automount/autodetection/icon in the desktop that knoppix has , into Debian Sarge ...`
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`23:42.46`	`Agrajag-`	`romulo: ok then i dunno, must be something else`
`23:42.49`	`xst_`	`After an upgrade all gstreamer-apps sounds like they play with an echo effect: The sound is repreated twice with half a second apart. How can I fix this?`
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`23:42.49`	`abrotman`	`gnome-vfs/hal/udev`
`23:42.50`	`roler`	`so does anyone know what application provides a mac os x looking application loader?`
`23:42.54`	`dystopian`	`that is precious`
`23:42.59`	`romulo`	`Agrajag-, maybe is xkbcomp?`
`23:43.03`	`abrotman`	`roler: many`
`23:43.06`	`Guerin`	`roler: macosx`
`23:43.17`	`Guerin`	`oh, you mean in debian?`
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`23:44.01`	`romulo`	`will try here, bbl`
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`23:44.06`	`rixth`	`Now I get it, I apologize for getting pissed off. As someone said, "two point ten" not two point one.`
`23:44.14`	`[t0rc]`	`abrotman, A64`
`23:44.15`	`abrotman`	`oh my ... god`
`23:44.20`	`abrotman`	`[t0rc]: /msg dpkg amd64`
`23:44.24`	`Guerin`	`rixth: ...`
`23:44.31`	`rbochan`	`blah`
`23:44.44`	`abrotman`	`rixth: we're not trying to lie to you :) .. etch has 2.8.3 iirc .. sid has 2.10`
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`23:45.11`	`[t0rc]`	`oo, nice.`
`23:45.13`	`abrotman`	`gravity: FIRE!`
`23:45.17`	`[t0rc]`	`abrotman, thanks! :)`
`23:45.19`	`abrotman`	`[t0rc]: make sense ?`
`23:45.27`	`gravity`	`meh`
`23:45.35`	`gravity`	`I ain't got no fire in me tonight`
`23:45.39`	`Guerin`	`gravity: how to pin those x.org packages without a Release file? I can't seem to make pinning by version work...`
`23:45.53`	`raf256`	`Guerin: well it takes 12 min so far actually`
`23:46.03`	`rixth`	`abrotman: I was thinking of 2.10 as being 2.1. That's why it made no sense! Oh well, enough of that. Now I've just gotta understand the 'epoch versions' 5:44 etc.`
`23:46.17`	`gravity`	`Guerin: I've had no luck with it myself. I hate pinning.`
`23:46.18`	`abrotman`	`rixth: ok .. you should apologize to everyone :)`
`23:46.23`	`gravity`	`Guerin: I just did everything manually`
`23:46.31`	`Guerin`	`gravity: ah, it's not just me, then.`
`23:46.44`	`roler`	`abrotman; many. heh`
`23:46.46`	`abrotman`	`rixth: gnome2.10 will move into etch when it's ready . .i'm not sure on its status`
`23:46.54`	`gravity`	`Guerin: Yeah. Pinning is horribly confusing crap.`
`23:46.57`	`mwilson`	`Oh, great... PAM update in unstable.`
`23:47.02`	`abrotman`	`roler: what is your WM ?`
`23:47.14`	`mwilson`	`And hotplug, too. Gee, my day is complete.`
`23:47.17`	`abrotman`	`rixth: yes .. we're ignorant ...`
`23:47.25`	`Agrajag-`	`is there a site to see status of packages in unstable? as in what's stopping them going into testing/how long they've been in unstable and such?`
`23:47.27`	`abrotman`	`oh wait .. rixth is .. we're not ..`
`23:47.28`	`Guerin`	`gravity: i normally have no problem with it, but then, I normally pin by release, not version.`
`23:47.29`	`abrotman`	`yay!`
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`23:47.40`	`abrotman`	`!why is gnome not in testing`
`23:47.41`	`dpkg`	`gnome is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome`
`23:47.44`	`gravity`	`Guerin: Yeah, that I can handle. It's simple then.`
`23:47.44`	`abrotman`	`Agrajag-: ^^^`
`23:47.56`	`Agrajag-`	`no i wasn't after gnome`
`23:47.57`	`abrotman`	`Agrajag-: and substitute the package you want`
`23:47.59`	`Agrajag-`	`just packages in general`
`23:48.00`	`abrotman`	`Agrajag-: i realize that`
`23:48.00`	`Agrajag-`	`ah ok`
`23:48.01`	`Agrajag-`	`ta`
`23:48.06`	`abrotman`	`!why isn't crap in testing`
`23:48.06`	`Guerin`	`bah, this network is flakey`
`23:48.09`	`roler`	`abrotman ;just metacity`
`23:48.17`	`roler`	`abrotman; with gnome`
`23:48.18`	`abrotman`	`!why is crap not in testing`
`23:48.19`	`dpkg`	`crap is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=crap`
`23:48.22`	`abrotman`	`Agrajag-: see`
`23:48.22`	`mwilson`	`Hm, hotplug looks safe enough.`
`23:48.25`	`gravity`	`That script is gold`
`23:48.26`	`Agrajag-`	`yep`
`23:48.33`	`abrotman`	`roler: uhm .. i'm thinking ...`
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`23:49.02`	`Agrajag-`	`that's a cool script. thanks`
`23:49.02`	`abrotman`	`roler: docker ?`
`23:49.06`	`Agrajag-`	`(as in the site)`
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`23:49.07`	`abrotman`	`roler: apt-cache search dock`
`23:49.09`	`Guerin`	`gravity: so just download all the packages and dpkg -i * ?`
`23:49.18`	`gravity`	`Guerin: -iO`
`23:49.19`	`cat`	`!crap`
`23:49.19`	`dpkg`	`[crap] if its not crap, its hilarious`
`23:49.29`	`gravity`	`Guerin: That -O I didn't know about before taking on these packages, but it's gold`
`23:49.49`	`Guerin`	`ah, excellent.`
`23:49.58`	`rixth`	`Oh what?! Windows opening under the active one is a 'feature' in Gnome. Ugh.`
`23:50.08`	`gravity`	`Guerin: You may have to fiddle with it a bit. You can also use aptitude to go through each package and select the version by hand (you have to hit enter for the package and go to the bottom to see all the versions that are available)`
`23:50.21`	`abrotman`	`wtf is -i0 ?`
`23:50.23`	`gravity`	`Guerin: I actually wound up doing the aptitude method so I could figure out messed up deps`
`23:50.27`	`Guerin`	`gravity: i'm too lazy for that sort of thing :)`
`23:50.27`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Not 0. O`
`23:50.33`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`23:50.37`	`Guerin`	`yes`
`23:50.39`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`23:50.45`	`[t0rc]`	`abrotman, aye, makes sense`
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`23:50.51`	`gravity`	`Guerin: You may have to do it a bit anyway, unfortunately. It's complex with a few changes like xfree86-common -> x11-common`
`23:50.52`	`abrotman`	`rixth: it's not gnome .. it's your CHOSEN window manager`
`23:51.04`	`m13a8`	`'ey i needa install the j2re plugin in firefox`
`23:51.11`	`Guerin`	`yeah, i think it's something like that which was causing a broken dep for all X packages`
`23:51.20`	`rixth`	`m13a8: /msg dpkg java-howto`
`23:51.20`	`abrotman`	`!tell m13a8 about java install`
`23:51.22`	`toresbe`	`tarzeau: right here... why?`
`23:51.26`	`abrotman`	`!tell m13a8 about install java`
`23:51.32`	`pablum`	`rixth, I like it when I'm checking out someone's url: I can view the whole page when it is loaded. Does it do that for everything?`
`23:51.41`	`gravity`	`Guerin: Yeah, it's a pain. I'm hoping aptitude and apt-get can handle it all, but I think they should when it goes in to unstable`
`23:52.00`	`EfaistOs`	`what are the modules to use an ipod ? I have a shuffle which works fine with gtkpod with USB but with a normal ipod and firewaire i cant use it ... it even didnt detect it :(`
`23:52.04`	`Agrajag-`	`rixth: i believe gnome did that deliberately to stop you doing things like typing in your password unknowingly when something else pops up, e.g. IM window`
`23:52.04`	`roler`	`abrotan; interesting`
`23:52.11`	`Guerin`	`bah, how do i set a ridiculously short timeout like 30 seconds for aptitude`
`23:52.22`	`raf256`	`!guerinsmite Guerin`
`23:52.23`	`rixth`	`Agrajag-: yes I know, I really hope you can turn it off though.`
`23:52.24`	`abrotman`	`it's the window manager .. not gnome`
`23:52.29`	`Guerin`	`haha`
`23:52.31`	`abrotman`	`IT"S NOT GNOME DOING IT!`
`23:52.46`	`pipeline`	`metashitty`
`23:52.52`	`abrotman`	`probably :)`
`23:53.00`	`roler`	`abrotman; i am not sure if this is it or not`
`23:53.14`	`raf256`	`;) now Agrajag- about the switching, its called steal focus prevetion in KDE, it can be quite customzed`
`23:53.15`	`rixth`	`Agrajag-: how it does it at the moment, even requested windows (like clicking the button to start Nautilus), opens under the current, focused one`
`23:53.16`	`abrotman`	`roler: i just use normal gnome stuff .. and gdesklets sometimes ...`
`23:53.28`	`abrotman`	`oh holy shit`
`23:53.32`	`abrotman`	`it's not nautilus either`
`23:54.13`	`*** join/#debian deepfrze (~chatzilla@wnpgmb01dc2-37-143.dynamic.mts.net)`
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`23:54.49`	`EfaistOs`	`what are the modules to use an ipod ? I have a shuffle which works fine with gtkpod with USB but with a normal ipod and firewaire i cant use it ... it even didnt detect it :(`
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`23:55.18`	`abrotman`	`!Ipod`
`23:55.18`	`dpkg`	`methinks ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux.`
`23:55.56`	`m13a8`	`when i try to get jpkg, it either won't let me open the tar, or when i try apt-get install it says that it can't find java-package`
`23:56.32`	`rixth`	`Oh I'm so tempted to grab 2.10 out of Sid. But I know I'll/it'll probably break something`
`23:56.39`	`gravity`	`rixth: It's not that great`
`23:56.58`	`rob_lt`	`yeah... i didn't notice anything really different.`
`23:56.59`	`gravity`	`Nautilus from 2.10 crashes on me a lot, for example. And the foot menu is slow to load.`
`23:57.07`	`gravity`	`2.8 was rock solid`
`23:57.18`	`rixth`	`gravity: it seems gEdit has gotten alot better, highlighting matching braces in source code etc`
`23:57.19`	`abrotman`	`m13a8: you want the .bin`
`23:57.20`	`rob_lt`	`did they fix the damn file selection dialog? I can't remember, but I highly doubt it.`
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`23:57.31`	`gravity`	`rixth: Ah, I don't use that. I use vim pretty much exclusively.`
`23:57.34`	`m13a8`	`abrotman: yea the .bin would be great`
`23:57.49`	`roler`	`thanks brb gonna restart x`
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`23:58.44`	`rixth`	`Whaaa? Looking at my sources.list somewhere along the line I got changed back to stable.`
`23:58.51`	`rixth`	`I wonder when that happened.`
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`23:59.24`	`raf256`	!gentoosmite kernel for "drivers/video/pm3fb.c:665: error: storage size of `pm3fb_switch' isn't known"
`23:59.42`	`Agrajag-`	`does anyone know how debian mirrors sync? once per day or something?`

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