| 00:00.02 | furrywolf | not having pcmcia on a read-only fs == annoying |
| 00:00.06 | liable | gravity: when installing xserver-xorg (without doing a dist-upgrade first) dpkg flakes out with the xfree86common-postinstall with the update-rc.d remove. Seems it needs the -f switch. |
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| 00:00.15 | rob_lt | wtf? I've tried 2.6.11-7, 2.6.11-6, 2.6.11-5, and 2.6.11-3 kernels and my usb mouse keeps freezing. I guess it's not the kernel, except I don't think it freezed with a 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 00:00.29 | rob_lt | froze even |
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| 00:01.01 | Guerin | bah, aptitude has no way to set a default timeout to something really short |
| 00:01.03 | gravity | liable: Yeah. We've fixed that in SVN. Thanks for letting me know though. |
| 00:01.12 | Ronin` | humm, wrong nick |
| 00:01.12 | jla | ecobit: I was able to make install in my pretend (chroot) "/" just fine |
| 00:01.14 | gravity | liable: The versions going in to unstable will have that fix |
| 00:01.23 | liable | gravity: cool. |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | m13a8: java.com |
| 00:01.29 | rixth | fam vs gamin? Who wins |
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| 00:01.32 | beck64 | hi |
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| 00:01.43 | beck64 | does anybody know why my /etc/hosts could not be working |
| 00:02.07 | rob_lt | !does not work |
| 00:02.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:02.14 | jim | beck64: need symptoms, history and more information |
| 00:02.16 | EruditeHermit | hey, how would I convert output which has a newline after each package name to have a space after each package name? |
| 00:02.19 | pablum | because it's a named pipe to /dev/urandom? |
| 00:02.20 | beck64 | jim ok |
| 00:02.26 | abrotman | nsswitch |
| 00:02.32 | beck64 | my apache cant start because my hostname does not exist |
| 00:02.33 | rob_lt | EruditeHermit, sed |
| 00:02.39 | grendal_prime | is anyone any good with courier...specifically courier fed by fetchmail?? |
| 00:02.43 | beck64 | and when stracing i checked that is using only the DNS |
| 00:02.46 | beck64 | but no the /etc/hosts file |
| 00:02.55 | deepfrze | does anyone here have comments (good/bad) on Mondo? |
| 00:03.16 | ecobit | jla: did you copy the source into the chroot and run make install? didn't it require you to symlink and libs or binaries to run? |
| 00:03.22 | beck64 | i dunno whats happening |
| 00:03.26 | deepfrze | I'm contemplating it or maybe just rsync to a spare hard drive. |
| 00:03.29 | beck64 | i made |
| 00:03.33 | beck64 | cat >> /etc/hosts |
| 00:03.34 | beck64 | 1.2.3.4 hehe |
| 00:03.36 | jla | ecobit: debootstrap, my pretend / |
| 00:03.38 | jim | your apache (this is not good phrasology :) is being used for what? |
| 00:03.41 | beck64 | ping hehe |
| 00:03.44 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: thanks |
| 00:03.44 | beck64 | host not found hehe |
| 00:03.45 | rob_lt | deepfrze, I can't tell you I used it and it barfed up a bunch of errors and I never got it to work. That was about 4 months ago. YMMV. |
| 00:03.47 | mwilson | beck64: And what's that supposed to do? |
| 00:03.51 | rixth | !hehe |
| 00:04.04 | raf256 | !kick |
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| 00:04.13 | raf256 | !swift |
| 00:04.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, swift is Linus Torvalds explained: "I chose 1000 [Hz kernel timing in 2.6] originally partly as a way to make sure that people that assumed HZ was 100 would get a swift kick in the pants. |
| 00:04.16 | Guerin | bah, there has to be a way |
| 00:04.20 | ecobit | jla: ah, you already had a functional chroot env to work in |
| 00:04.20 | Guerin | besides UTSL |
| 00:04.30 | deepfrze | rob_lt: thanks. |
| 00:04.37 | eggenz7 | hey all i have a weird question...i have a microsoft sidewinder strategic commander...anybody know of any support under linux? |
| 00:04.39 | jla | ecobit: right, otherwise chroot doesn't have a shell |
| 00:05.28 | jla | ecobit: I guess that's not what you're looking for, it's what came to mind when you asked to pretend that /dir/foo is / |
| 00:05.32 | pablum | :q |
| 00:05.36 | pablum | oops |
| 00:05.40 | deepfrze | rob_lt: was that the debian package? |
| 00:05.43 | jim | beck64: what do you want your apache to do? what are you trying to accomplish/ |
| 00:05.47 | ecobit | jla: just run something like debootstrap sarge ./sarge-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian ? will that set it up? |
| 00:05.59 | rob_lt | deepfrze, yes |
| 00:06.06 | jla | ecobit: yep |
| 00:06.21 | ecobit | jla: actually that's a really useful thing. i will set it up. thanks! |
| 00:06.52 | deepfrze | rob_lt: I noticed it is quite a bit behind developement, however that is supposed to be the most stable module...doesn't sound to good.. |
| 00:07.42 | rob_lt | deepfrze, I don't want to discourage you, but it really didn't work for me. |
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| 00:07.59 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: can you give me a hint as to which part of the manpage I need to read? |
| 00:08.02 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: its long |
| 00:08.05 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 00:08.46 | raf256 | why this kernel compiles over 30 minutes so far :[ |
| 00:08.47 | raf256 | !why |
| 00:08.47 | dpkg | Because! |
| 00:08.50 | raf256 | hehe |
| 00:08.55 | rixth | Decent alternatives to Metacity as a window manager? Any suggestions |
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| 00:09.02 | deepfrze | rob_lt: I may try it, although rsync seems so simple to use. I got it moving data between machines easy enough. It's just restore that I'm not sure of. |
| 00:09.13 | wintix | does the 2.6.11 kernel support dual core cpus? |
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| 00:09.23 | raf256 | wintix: I thinkt the -smp do |
| 00:09.42 | wintix | i see. thx |
| 00:09.47 | adrian_ | how can i implement the sudo action in Debian? |
| 00:09.53 | goobit | is there a secure ftp server that doesn't impose jailing security implications? |
| 00:09.57 | gravity | adrian_: Install it |
| 00:10.05 | adrian_ | going into su makes me nervous |
| 00:10.07 | adrian_ | og |
| 00:10.14 | pipeline | goobit: sshd |
| 00:10.17 | adrian_ | just apt-get install sudo? :/ |
| 00:10.25 | gravity | adrian_: Sure. Why not? |
| 00:10.32 | pipeline | goobit: sshd + /bin/scponly :) |
| 00:10.39 | jim | adrian_: yeah, first install it, the read up if you want to do soemthing special |
| 00:10.40 | gravity | adrian_: If that's not enough, check /usr/share/doc/sudo/ for a README or README.Debian |
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| 00:10.42 | raf256 | apt-get install scponly |
| 00:10.45 | raf256 | !scponly |
| 00:10.49 | ignacio_ | alguien |
| 00:10.53 | goobit | pipeline, what's a fish server and the new things I'm reading about? is this sshd2? |
| 00:10.57 | ignacio_ | me da la paginaa en espaƱol |
| 00:11.02 | raf256 | !es |
| 00:11.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:11.03 | gravity | Does plain sudo without restrictions buy you anything over su anyway? |
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| 00:11.08 | adrian_ | i'm familiar with sudo(Ubuntu) |
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| 00:11.12 | ignacio_ | de linos ubuntu |
| 00:11.18 | cddesjar | can someone direct me to a good site on a howto pertaining to apt-listbugs |
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| 00:11.27 | cddesjar | i have read man apt-listbugs |
| 00:11.30 | liable | ignacio_: #ubuntu-es |
| 00:11.32 | gravity | cddesjar: Er... howto? For what? |
| 00:11.32 | ignacio_ | ubunto-es |
| 00:11.54 | cddesjar | gravity: i guess i am just not quite sure on how to use apt-listbugs...i am still unclear |
| 00:12.05 | gravity | cddesjar: Just install it. It should just work on upgrade. |
| 00:12.11 | adrian_ | gravity i like sudo over su just for the safety reasons |
| 00:12.21 | gravity | adrian_: What saftey does it get you? I don't understand. |
| 00:12.28 | cddesjar | gravity: do i need to run it independently? or does it work when i run apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:12.34 | gravity | cddesjar: It just works. |
| 00:12.51 | Guerin | hrm, seems there's an undocumented Acquire::http::Timeout option to aptitude |
| 00:12.54 | cddesjar | gravity: ah, ok. |
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| 00:13.16 | adrian_ | gravity, i sometimes pay too less attention to what i'm typing |
| 00:13.27 | gravity | cddesjar: When you run your next upgrade, after it's done downloading packages you should see it downloading the bug reports for each newly updated package |
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| 00:13.47 | gravity | adrian_: In what context though? How will sudo help you there? |
| 00:14.14 | adrian_ | example: |
| 00:14.23 | cddesjar | gravity: i just got that off google. btw, does it work for aptitude as well or just apt-get? |
| 00:14.31 | gravity | cddesjar: Both |
| 00:14.41 | gravity | cddesjar: And synaptic. And I assume dselect as well |
| 00:15.04 | cddesjar | gravity: sweet, one more thing when i am keeping up to date with testing...do i need to run aptitude dist-upgrade or just aptitude upgrade? |
| 00:15.13 | adrian_ | i SU'd and installed something via apt-get, then i needed to edit my XFconfig thingy, i tested a bit and saved |
| 00:15.19 | cddesjar | gravity: after aptitude update of course |
| 00:15.21 | adrian_ | Boom |
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| 00:15.27 | adrian_ | fucked up X |
| 00:15.28 | Guerin | !fuck people.debian.org |
| 00:15.34 | gravity | cddesjar: I honestly don't recall... I don't use command line aptitude very often. I recommend reading the manpage for that. |
| 00:15.40 | adrian_ | !hug |
| 00:15.40 | abrotman | Guerin: what .. no cuming ? |
| 00:15.41 | cddesjar | gravity: ok |
| 00:15.45 | adrian_ | wiiiiii |
| 00:15.51 | Guerin | abrotman: he must be tired |
| 00:16.00 | gravity | adrian_: How will sudo help you there? I don't understand. |
| 00:16.07 | adrian_ | -_- |
| 00:16.14 | adrian_ | i don't remain in su |
| 00:16.17 | Guerin | 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable |
| 00:16.20 | adrian_ | i always forget to exit |
| 00:16.22 | Guerin | grrrr |
| 00:16.24 | gravity | Ah |
| 00:16.43 | adrian_ | + running an internet application in SU-mode is fairly stupid |
| 00:16.44 | Guerin | adrian_: tldp.org bash prompt howto - make it red |
| 00:16.45 | gravity | Ok, I guess I just get around that by having very distinctly obvious shell prompts for root versus my normal users |
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| 00:17.08 | raf256 | oh joy \o/ the kernel compiled |
| 00:17.10 | greycoin | hi, ever since i installed sarge, i've been having a problem with x-chat. for some reason it just ignores the 'user name' field and uses my linux login name. |
| 00:17.25 | gravity | I set up sudo when I want someone to have easy access to specific commands, but I guess that makes sense too, although you should set up your prompts so that root is distinct |
| 00:17.39 | raf256 | greycoin: xchat sucks donkey balls - use konversation |
| 00:17.44 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 00:17.47 | abrotman | kde sucks donkey balls |
| 00:17.54 | Guerin | konversation is FAR more shite than xchat |
| 00:18.03 | abrotman | greycoin: i have xchat from sarge now ... my real name is filled out i think |
| 00:18.10 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 00:18.11 | dpkg | i heard irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 00:18.12 | abrotman | appears so |
| 00:18.33 | greycoin | abrot: so is mine, but it still just ignores my user name. |
| 00:18.34 | raf256 | I thought it was telnet |
| 00:18.49 | abrotman | greycoin: user name or Real Name ? |
| 00:18.57 | greycoin | abrot: user name. |
| 00:19.07 | greycoin | it uses my linux login name |
| 00:19.07 | abrotman | greycoin: if you mean username .. i use my loginID .. so i won't be much help |
| 00:19.23 | abrotman | greycoin: query #xchat .. see if they have an idea ? |
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| 00:19.29 | greycoin | k, thanks |
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| 00:19.34 | Vivaldi | i have loaded snd-usb-audio and i got a /dev/mixer3 with an input channel. I want to find a way to record from the corresponding alsa device/channel. any idea? |
| 00:19.45 | greycoin | i'll look into konversation and irssi-text as well |
| 00:19.46 | raf256 | strange, kernels make install fails, can you help? |
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| 00:20.03 | raf256 | Kernel: arch/i386/boot/bzImage is ready |
| 00:20.04 | raf256 | sh /home/raf256/cre/compile/kernel/linux-2.6.12.2/arch/i386/boot/install.sh 2.6.12.2cfg1 arch/i386/boot/bzImage System.map "/boot" |
| 00:20.04 | raf256 | /sbin/installkernel: line 33: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12.2cfg1: Permission denied |
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| 00:20.05 | Guerin | raf256: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 00:20.09 | Guerin | raf256: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 00:20.16 | abrotman | raf256: stop pasting |
| 00:20.18 | Guerin | raf256: be root |
| 00:20.23 | raf256 | O_o |
| 00:20.25 | raf256 | !smite me |
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| 00:20.32 | Guerin | ... |
| 00:20.35 | raf256 | sorry Im sleeppy now... ok using su... |
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| 00:21.17 | cddesjar | argh...codeweavers crossover doesn't seem to be working since upgrading from sarge to testing |
| 00:21.24 | raf256 | update-grub aaaaand, done. lets reboot then \o/ |
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| 00:21.36 | rob_lt | EruditeHermit, still here? |
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| 00:22.48 | rob_lt | EruditeHermit: /usr/bin/makeoutput | sed ':a;N;$!ba;s/\n/ /g' |
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| 00:23.08 | rob_lt | I can't say I came up with that one myself, and I'm sure there is a much easier way to do it. |
| 00:23.39 | witless | how can i prevent my system from probing for hda, hdb, hdc, hdd on boot? i don't have any IDE drives installed. |
| 00:23.49 | gravix | stupid question: how do i wake the screen up after it blanks during debian install? looks like a powersave feature... |
| 00:23.58 | Guerin | witless: why would you? |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | Guerin: wanna bet .. |
| 00:24.03 | rob_lt | gravity, press shift? |
| 00:24.07 | abrotman | Guerin: he doesn't return |
| 00:24.09 | Guerin | gravix: if it's dpms, the keyboard should... |
| 00:24.11 | witless | Guerin: why would i what? |
| 00:24.22 | Guerin | abrotman: i'm not betting against that. |
| 00:24.23 | goobit_ | pipeline, what about if I want to jail file-transferrign purpose logons? I don't want people to be able to ssh to /etc for eg.. |
| 00:24.24 | rob_lt | that was for gravix |
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| 00:24.34 | abrotman | Guerin: shall we go pray together ? |
| 00:24.41 | gravix | rob_lt: shift does nothing... i've tried pressing a bunch of buttons, none of them seem to do anything |
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| 00:24.45 | goobit_ | pipeline, I guess vsftpd is my only solution so far.. |
| 00:24.47 | gravix | i was wondering if there was a particular combination |
| 00:24.59 | Guerin | witless: why would you want it not to check? |
| 00:25.03 | rob_lt | are you sure it is blanked and not hung? |
| 00:25.06 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: thanks |
| 00:25.13 | witless | Guerin: it adds about 60 secs to the boot time |
| 00:25.17 | goobit_ | gravity, maybe the keyboard is not qwerty-strict? |
| 00:25.18 | Guerin | witless: yipes |
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| 00:25.32 | rob_lt | EruditeHermit, sed turned out not to be as easy a solution as I thought, but it still did the trick |
| 00:25.32 | goobit_ | gravity, or is it a dvorak? |
| 00:25.46 | Guerin | goobit_: why would that be relevant? |
| 00:25.54 | gravix | rob_lt: could be... shouldn't i get some sort of error message, though? it's happened a few times, the screen just completely blanks when i don't type for a while during install |
| 00:25.57 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: it looks so hard =) |
| 00:26.01 | gravix | goobit: incedentally, yes, it is dvorak :) |
| 00:26.02 | goobit_ | Guerin, because "qwerty" sounds nicer :) |
| 00:26.13 | Guerin | goobit_: turn off bios power management |
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| 00:26.15 | gravix | well, the keyboard is qwerty but i have the installer set to dvorak mode |
| 00:26.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:26.20 | goobit_ | gravix, hmm, wow, you must be swedish! |
| 00:26.21 | Guerin | gravix: ^^^ |
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| 00:26.34 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: maybe awk would be better? |
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| 00:27.11 | gravix | i don't know if it's relevant to the problem, but I'm in the USA and I generally use dvorak |
| 00:27.14 | goobit_ | gravix, I didn't know sweeds have to type each key to check that his keyboard is working, how many keys are on there(did you count?)? |
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| 00:27.29 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:27.36 | Guerin | goobit_: stop distracting |
| 00:27.50 | goobit_ | Guerin, I believe you dvorak support in the kernel no? |
| 00:27.54 | Guerin | gravix: your choice of keyboard should be of no relevance to this issue. |
| 00:28.03 | gravix | um... 1) i'm not a sweede, 2) that wasn't really funny |
| 00:28.12 | rob_lt | EruditeHermit, awk just matches patterns, I don't think it would be the best here, but I'm no guru |
| 00:28.13 | paster | "witless" at 68.118.180.85 pasted "IDE hard drive probe takes a loooong time on boot - how to turn it off?" (22 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/336 |
| 00:28.18 | Guerin | goobit_: it's a legitimate option in the installer, like any other keymap. |
| 00:28.44 | rob_lt | EruditeHermit, if you want something simpler that is easier to understand, you could pipe like this: | sed "s|^| |g" | tr -d '\n' |
| 00:28.55 | gravix | Guerin: i don't see why it would be related either... I am installing on an IBM laptop, if that might make an important difference |
| 00:29.02 | goobit_ | Guerin, it would be easier -- I think there's an option for it in the kernel .. |
| 00:29.10 | Guerin | gravix: as i said: turn off bios powermanagement |
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| 00:29.18 | rob_lt | gravix, I'm on an IBM laptop, R40, and I've installed on this machine a number of times. |
| 00:29.19 | jim | goobit_: still trolling from since you first got here a week ago? |
| 00:29.28 | gravix | Guerin: oh that was for me? sorry, thank you very much |
| 00:29.36 | goobit_ | jim, i came on less than 2 minutes ago stfu |
| 00:29.39 | witless | does anyone know how to prevent irq probe for ide drives on boot? |
| 00:29.44 | gravix | rob_lt: thank you, i think the bios power management will solve the problem |
| 00:29.56 | nunez | XMMS crashed and I "kill -9" it and now a ps aux shows "[xmms] <defunct>" and it wouldnt let me unmount the HD that xmms was using? |
| 00:29.58 | goobit_ | witless, noirq |
| 00:30.10 | citral | goobit_: how many keys do _you_ have ? |
| 00:30.14 | Guerin | goobit_: you were in here trolling about how america == evil and americans are all in grave danger if they go to the middle east a couple days ago, i'm sure you remember |
| 00:30.19 | jim | goobit_: NO, you've been here for at least a week, and you've been doing this the whole time. every time I see you, you're trolling. |
| 00:30.35 | goobit_ | Guerin, yes, that I was.. how can I forget, but that's last week, shall we roll? |
| 00:31.25 | mud_ | noob ques: what is trolling? |
| 00:31.29 | goobit_ | Guerin, sometimes the government has nothing to do with the people, but I'm not in the mood for another flame today :) (I have to travel but I won't say where) |
| 00:31.29 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: I will try to decipher that =) |
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| 00:32.06 | jim | goobit_: #politics is that way --> |
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| 00:32.11 | EruditeHermit | rob_lt: actually that isn't so bad |
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| 00:32.25 | rob_lt | EruditeHermit, no, not too bad. |
| 00:32.40 | goobit_ | jim, that's a bill gates reception, not interested in pies today either.. |
| 00:32.51 | rob_lt | Ok, after my usb mouse freezed, and I ctrl-alt-f2 and then ctrl-alt-f7, dmesg says, "agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0." |
| 00:32.59 | Guerin | rob_lt: froze |
| 00:33.15 | jim | and here you are now trying to confuse and distract people trying to get help. |
| 00:33.29 | Guerin | they say travel makes a man wiser |
| 00:33.33 | Guerin | so by all means |
| 00:33.37 | rob_lt | I meant freezes, although I did make that mistake earlier |
| 00:33.38 | Guerin | travel as far as you can |
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| 00:33.52 | Guerin | rob_lt: i do similar all the time :) |
| 00:33.53 | citral | like until asia? |
| 00:34.05 | rob_lt | Guerin, can you suggest a more better solution to my problem ;) |
| 00:34.08 | paul | sure would be nice if i could figure out how to get a gui working in debian |
| 00:34.09 | Guerin | citral: personally, i'd prefer if he didn't stop in asia |
| 00:34.17 | paul | any suggestions? |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | paul: which gui |
| 00:34.21 | citral | <heh> |
| 00:34.31 | paul | kdm or gdm doesnt matter |
| 00:34.34 | Guerin | paul: aptitude install x-window-system windowmanager-of-your-choice |
| 00:34.36 | goobit_ | Guerin, hitting every key on his keyboard sounds funny, it makes sense to not make sense it is rather lame.. |
| 00:34.45 | abrotman | paul: those are displayt managers .. .which WM do you want ? |
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| 00:34.48 | paul | ive never been able to figure out aptitude |
| 00:35.02 | goobit_ | Guerin, better to get his better instincts up and have him word his problem more directly.. |
| 00:35.05 | Guerin | paul: there you go - all figured out for you, above |
| 00:35.14 | rob_lt | paul, you want a gui login or a desktop environment like gnome or kde? |
| 00:35.22 | Guerin | goobit_: everyone except you understood his problem with perfect clarity |
| 00:35.26 | paul | both iguess |
| 00:35.36 | abrotman | paul: Which Window manager do you want ? |
| 00:35.43 | paul | actually, a link spelling it out would be sweet |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:35.48 | dpkg | well, refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 00:35.54 | paul | i have no idea about window managers |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | paul: which window manager? |
| 00:35.56 | jim | Guerin: actually he also understood |
| 00:36.04 | Guerin | paul: there's not enough to write a webpage about |
| 00:36.04 | goobit_ | Guerin, there is a possibility of compiling dvorak maps and not depend on poorly linked keyboard maps.. |
| 00:36.06 | paul | what is a window manager |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | paul: apt-get install x-window-system gdm gnome .. done |
| 00:36.20 | paul | thatll do it ehh |
| 00:36.20 | Guerin | paul: do what abrotman says |
| 00:36.21 | rob_lt | paul, what abrotman said |
| 00:36.23 | paul | that command |
| 00:36.34 | paul | ok ill write that down, thanks guys |
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| 00:36.44 | goobit_ | abrotman, x-system-core is a virtual package i think.. |
| 00:36.48 | jim | paul: it's an addon for X, it does things like put borders and close boxes on windows |
| 00:36.54 | Guerin | goobit_: no, it's not. |
| 00:36.54 | abrotman | x-window-system-core .. and i know what it is |
| 00:37.04 | Guerin | !iydkdg |
| 00:37.04 | dpkg | If you don't know, don't guess |
| 00:37.07 | goobit_ | abrotman, aha |
| 00:37.35 | paul | apt-get install x-window-system gdm gnome ....thats the exact command? |
| 00:37.39 | goobit_ | Guerin, hey, i said "i think", meaning I am not sure.. that's why I'm asking |
| 00:37.44 | Guerin | paul: yes. do it as root. |
| 00:37.46 | rob_lt | Well, I'm going to boot back into 2.6.8 and see if this POS mouse _freezed_ again :) |
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| 00:37.59 | paul | thatll get me a login gui as well as a desktop gui? |
| 00:38.07 | Guerin | paul: YES already |
| 00:38.15 | jim | goobit_: you know more than you are saying... |
| 00:38.15 | paul | okey dokey, thanks guys |
| 00:38.18 | abrotman | !faq |
| 00:38.18 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:38.34 | goobit_ | jim, you're trolling |
| 00:38.45 | paul | say goodbye to ubuntu hehe |
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| 00:39.18 | jim | goobit_: and therefore you might be -purposely- misdirecting people |
| 00:39.54 | paul | you guys think thatll work on a 915G chipset? |
| 00:40.25 | mud_ | odd question |
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| 00:41.02 | abrotman | paul: no |
| 00:41.06 | Guerin | is 915 one of the ones which isn't supported by sarge kernels? |
| 00:41.15 | jim | paul: there IS a hardware compatibility list for linux and some of its individual pieces... you should ALWAYS check it BEFORE buying new hardware |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | not kernel .. xfree doesn't |
| 00:41.27 | Guerin | the ones that hex is always griping about |
| 00:41.28 | abrotman | ubuntu uses xorg right ? |
| 00:41.30 | abrotman | yep |
| 00:41.34 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 00:41.34 | dpkg | [sarge hardware support] reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | oh bah |
| 00:41.44 | paul | ive been running ubuntu and xandros on it with no problems |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | ubuntu uses xorg .. |
| 00:42.01 | goobit_ | paul, if you want the answer, check the doc and devices.txt in the kernel source tree-> substance answers require and apt-get install of kernel-source.. |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | i wish that lazy gravity guy would finish the xorg stuff |
| 00:42.10 | citral | there's always a solution. |
| 00:42.24 | paul | actually ive got x300 pci express card, that should be ok i think |
| 00:42.25 | citral | I run xorg without any troubles. |
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| 00:42.37 | Guerin | i'm installing it now, but this link is hella flakey |
| 00:42.44 | shivraj | how do you mount a cdrom ? |
| 00:42.44 | mtnman | paul: there is also a hardware (comapatability) howto at tldp.org |
| 00:43.00 | shivraj | do I need to mount cdroms to rip them ? |
| 00:43.07 | citral | shivraj: no |
| 00:43.09 | rob_lt | Are the 2.6.11 kernels in unstable and testing the same? From reading the changelogs it would appear so. |
| 00:43.10 | goobit_ | mtnman, jim just tell him to read the kernel source doc, what's wrong with you two? |
| 00:43.16 | rob_lt | shivraj, you can't mount an audio CD |
| 00:43.20 | paul | well let me give it a try anyways, this is a experimental machine anyhow |
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| 00:43.32 | mtnman | goobit_: well the howto does not require downloading the kernel-source |
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| 00:43.54 | abrotman | Guerin: he hasn't returned |
| 00:43.55 | goobit_ | mtnman, devices.txt is probably all over google anyways.. |
| 00:44.02 | Guerin | abrotman: indeed. |
| 00:44.25 | goobit_ | mtnman, and the bleeding edge kernels often had more insight and hints on the latest hardware..so its probably better |
| 00:44.29 | mtnman | goobit_: it just goes to show, there's more than one way to do it. |
| 00:44.52 | paul | i dont see anything on tldp for hardware |
| 00:45.03 | mtnman | paul: hardware howto |
| 00:45.07 | paul | cya later guys, thanks for the help |
| 00:45.08 | goobit_ | paul, google.com/linux devices.txt |
| 00:45.24 | daxxar | hm |
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| 00:46.03 | abrotman | !Info mono etch |
| 00:46.08 | dpkg | mono: has nothing about Info |
| 00:46.13 | abrotman | uhm |
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| 00:46.27 | abrotman | !info mono etch |
| 00:46.32 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.6-4 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 00:46.34 | daxxar | following /usr/share/doc/sa-exim/README.Debian, with template config. i added local_scan_path = /usr/lib/exim4/local_scan/sa-exim.so to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template, but running update-exim4.conf gives me: |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | Info differs from info ? |
| 00:46.44 | daxxar | 2005-07-12 02:44:31 Exim configuration error in line 669 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: |
| 00:46.48 | daxxar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.59 | goobit_ | abrotman, you're mono, you're sick |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:47.16 | goobit_ | abrotman, mono = love bill gates |
| 00:47.34 | xsdg | goobit_: eh? |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | goobit_: mono = love EMCA standards .... |
| 00:47.39 | xsdg | goobit_: oh; C# |
| 00:47.39 | chealer | rob_lt: the i386 images? |
| 00:47.40 | goobit_ | xsdg, the mono project |
| 00:47.42 | error403 | anyone ever found it suspicious that the linux hosts file is /etc/hosts, and the windows hosts file is also C:\....\etc\hosts ?? |
| 00:47.51 | abrotman | goobit_: but you knew that .. cause you're a smart person . right ? |
| 00:47.55 | goobit_ | abrotman, wtf for? that's going into the repo? |
| 00:48.15 | abrotman | goobit_: mono is already in debian .. and C# is a standard .. just like C++ .. unlike Java iirc |
| 00:48.19 | goobit_ | abrotman, no because osf challenges it! ->embrace corba and etc.. |
| 00:48.21 | xsdg | error403: I've never seen an etc on windows (of course, my windows experiences ended some time ago |
| 00:48.31 | daxxar | anyone know why i get that? |
| 00:48.39 | rob_lt | chealer, kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686_2.6.11-7_i386.deb |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | goobit_: OSF challenges it ? |
| 00:49.02 | citral | daxxar: checked the bts? |
| 00:49.04 | xsdg | daxxar: hrm... |
| 00:49.04 | jim | error403: it just goes to show that windows never really planned to be part of the internet, and they're way behind... they have to resort to changing it instead of being able to fully participate |
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| 00:49.12 | goobit_ | abrotman, yes, ->stallman has an argument article posted about his verision of gnu's .net.. |
| 00:49.14 | abrotman | xsdg: C:\windows\ |
| 00:49.15 | error403 | hehe, yeah |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:49.21 | abrotman | xsdg: C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 00:49.28 | error403 | abrotman, thats the one! |
| 00:49.30 | xsdg | abrotman: aah; no wonder |
| 00:49.35 | error403 | lol, i have to go there all the time... |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | goobit_: afaik . it's not patent encumbered .. and it's a standard .. there's no reason not to use it |
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| 00:49.56 | abrotman | goobit_: and Corba doesn't replace .NET or C# |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | not even close |
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| 00:50.16 | chealer | rob_lt: you can say with so much detail, but you can't say if they're the same? what's the file for the other release? |
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| 00:50.35 | daxxar | citral, would that be sa-exim or another package? |
| 00:50.48 | goobit_ | abrotman, http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/ |
| 00:50.50 | daxxar | I believe sa-exim, and I can't find anything. |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | goobit_: which is a piece of crap |
| 00:50.58 | rob_lt | chealer, same file, same changelog. Just confirming that they are infact the same package. I thought unstable would have a newer kernel waiting to get into testing. |
| 00:50.59 | goobit_ | DotGnu vs Mono !!! |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | goobit_: and is a duplicate work .. and worthless .. and broken |
| 00:51.15 | goobit_ | embrace DotGnu you Mono sickos! |
| 00:51.31 | abrotman | goobit_: are you done? .. you've obviously no idea what you're talking about |
| 00:51.50 | Guerin | abrotman: good luck with this one |
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| 00:52.00 | goobit_ | abrotman, i know |
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| 00:52.11 | daxxar | i probably made a mistake, but i don't know what it is :) |
| 00:52.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:52.13 | abrotman | DotGNU 0.6 to be released soon |
| 00:52.13 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | no activity .. noone cares .. big surprise |
| 00:52.27 | citral | daxxar: err I didn't read you properly. I think you just made a mistake somewhere, re-read /usr/share/doc/sa-exim/README.Debian |
| 00:52.54 | chealer | rob_lt: it doesn't. same revision, same thing |
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| 00:53.03 | abrotman | oh .. that site is out of date |
| 00:53.20 | goobit_ | abrotman, there is an alternative I read up about:-> |
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| 00:53.33 | citral | !fuck Ferret for being a gentoo luser |
| 00:53.35 | rob_lt | chealer, ok, thanks |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | goobit_: yes .. mono .. DotGNU is so far behind Mono .. it's not funny .. |
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| 00:53.39 | abrotman | citral: don't |
| 00:53.46 | goobit_ | abrotman, but the only thing I know substantially across 3 main interface guis is wxpython.. |
| 00:53.58 | goobit_ | abrotman, I know |
| 00:54.02 | goobit_ | abrotman, but its a shame |
| 00:54.04 | citral | ok. I take it back then... |
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| 00:54.26 | furrywolf | when when I use grub-install --no-floppy, which the help says shouldn't probe the floppy, it still probes the floppy? the NON-EXISTANT floppy. the floppy controller that's never going to answer no matter how many times it retries? |
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| 00:54.29 | rob_lt | is there no gtk-sharp package for sarge? |
| 00:54.45 | shivraj | whats a good program to edit a wave file ? |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | goobit_: you should look at mono .. they plan to have Mono use gtk to draw System.Forms .. so it should be write once/run anywhere(that has a .NET CLR) |
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| 00:54.53 | daxxar | citral, it says: |
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| 00:54.54 | abrotman | shivraj: audacity |
| 00:54.54 | shivraj | ie cut a piece |
| 00:54.54 | citral | shivraj: rezound |
| 00:54.57 | rob_lt | shivraj, audacity |
| 00:55.01 | furrywolf | s/when when/why when/it's too bloody hot to type today |
| 00:55.04 | daxxar | "you need to manually add the local_scan line to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template." |
| 00:55.12 | anthony^ | i tried adding the sources.list line from ndiswrapper's website but apt-get update fails and i can't apt-cache saerch it |
| 00:55.16 | daxxar | # tail -1 /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 00:55.16 | daxxar | local_scan_path = /usr/lib/exim4/local_scan/sa-exim.so |
| 00:55.30 | daxxar | that's the only "local_scan line" i can see in that readme. :/ |
| 00:55.40 | daxxar | (i already added that line) |
| 00:55.44 | daxxar | but that gives me a syntax error. |
| 00:55.48 | goobit_ | abrotman, but should it be embrace? the last time I asked what people think in my local lug, I got nothing but flames, and this was several months ago.. I guess they're moronic nondevelopers or very right-winged gtk kdelibs guys.. |
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| 00:56.22 | citral | daxxar: Ican't help you, I don't have any idea what's that's about |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | goobit_: i'd rather use gtk over Qt .. but they really don't compare .. GTK has C# bindings .. |
| 00:56.33 | rob_lt | goobit_, gnome is embracing mono |
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| 00:56.45 | furrywolf | gah! it's probing the floppy AGAIN! |
| 00:56.58 | abrotman | goobit_: so comparing GTK/Qt/Wx to C#/Mono/.NET .. is just dumb |
| 00:57.16 | ryoohki | is sarge "stable"? |
| 00:57.19 | goobit_ | abrotman, but this crap, isn't it possible that MS can try to mess around with the license and try something really really bad? |
| 00:57.23 | kelan | is there a way to find out which package debconf was trying to configure when it asked a certain question? i answered wrong and need to reconfigure, but i just upgraded about a 100 packages |
| 00:57.35 | citral | ryoohki: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 00:57.56 | goobit_ | abrotman, I was not comparing, Mono seemed synonymous to MS wanting everyone to embrace their .net |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | goobit_: what license .. it's a standard .. you can ask #debian-mono all the questions you want .. they would know more |
| 00:57.58 | ryoohki | citral: thanks! |
| 00:58.06 | goobit_ | abrotman, ok |
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| 00:58.13 | anthony^ | anyone know why it would be i can't find ndiswrapper from ndiswrapper's mirror |
| 00:58.16 | kelan | the question was basically, "do you want to disable challenge-response for ssh login?" i thought it would be one of ssh or openssh-server, but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't give me that question for either of those |
| 00:58.18 | goobit_ | abrotman, but remember it was endorsed by the evil empire.. |
| 00:58.35 | goobit_ | abrotman, which you know I dearly hate >: |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | goobit_: it's a standare |
| 00:58.55 | abrotman | err standard |
| 00:58.55 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Are there any questions about patents so far? </honest_question> |
| 00:59.04 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: none that i'm aware of |
| 00:59.08 | scarynetworkguy | goobit_: So is TCP/IP I suggest you stop using that also. |
| 00:59.14 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Fair enough. |
| 00:59.16 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, not always |
| 00:59.23 | ryoohki | why is stable limited to 2.6.8( which I heard had bugs) and not 2.6.10 or 2.6.11? |
| 00:59.23 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, it was a defacto at starting.. |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: other than possibly interfaces into windows internals .. which well .. who cares .. i don't want my Mono apps trying to use registry settings :) |
| 00:59.52 | abrotman | ryoohki: backports fix all :) |
| 00:59.58 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: True story. |
| 01:00.02 | furrywolf | so if --no-floppy doesn't stop grub-install from probing the floppy, what does? :) |
| 01:00.07 | jim | ryoohki: because once released, nothing is ever upgraded versionwise |
| 01:00.09 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, and released "source-code" -> read up about its history... it was alike an open-source.. |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | furrywolf: unplugging your floppy drive |
| 01:00.19 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, ->http://wikipedia.org |
| 01:00.24 | scarynetworkguy | Oh god. |
| 01:00.25 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, is a good resource |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | wait .. i have to tell him everything about mono .. but he wants scarynetworkguy to read ? |
| 01:00.34 | scarynetworkguy | goobit_: do a apt-get install sense-of-humour asap. |
| 01:00.39 | daxxar | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DvOvu290.html =) |
| 01:00.40 | furrywolf | abrotman: the laptop has neither a floppy drive, a plug for a floppy drive, or options in the bios for a floppy drive. |
| 01:00.41 | daxxar | Anyone have any idea? |
| 01:00.47 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, it was a "defacto" didn't you know that? |
| 01:00.53 | abrotman | furrywolf: so what's the problem ? |
| 01:00.58 | jim | scarynetworkguy: please don't feed the troll |
| 01:01.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: When any fucking idiot can see I was joking. FFS. |
| 01:01.30 | furrywolf | the problem is grub-install, even with --no-floppy, sits there indefinitely printing out i/o errors for the non-existant floppy drive. |
| 01:01.33 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, no, its true, read up about it.. and then joke about it, it was "open-code" which is why it caught on.. |
| 01:01.35 | jim | he's trolling you and everyone here, and has been for days, started when he first got here |
| 01:01.35 | kelan | does debconf keep a log of how configuration questions were answered? |
| 01:01.48 | scarynetworkguy | *plonk* |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | furrywolf: oh really .. does /dev/fd0 or /dev/floppy exist ? |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | goobit_: /j #debian-mono .. ask them all you want about Mono and .NET |
| 01:02.31 | jim | kelan: yes, answers are remembered, and applied when some other package asks |
| 01:02.31 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, here for a little history :) -- ->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP/IP |
| 01:02.38 | goobit_ | scarynetworkguy, read |
| 01:02.44 | furrywolf | I'd imagine they both exist, since the laptop seems to have a floppy controller, even though nothing is wired to it. |
| 01:02.45 | ryoohki | abrotman: how do i add "backports" to my sources.list? is there a web page? i'm looking on google for info on this, brb |
| 01:03.00 | abrotman | ryoohki: you don't .. the security team does it |
| 01:03.31 | daxxar | Hm. Does sa-exim require exim4-daemon-heavy? |
| 01:03.38 | daxxar | Shouldn't it run with -light? |
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| 01:03.42 | jim | backports.org, apt-get.org... but anything you get there is not supported here |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | !why is f-spot not in testing |
| 01:03.46 | dpkg | f-spot is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=f-spot |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | jim: that's not what he meant |
| 01:04.32 | abrotman | jim: he meant like patches into older software to fix vulns |
| 01:04.47 | citral | dpkg: why is outlook not in testing |
| 01:04.48 | dpkg | outlook is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=outlook |
| 01:05.27 | asd | how was the keyword for "woody -> sarge" ? |
| 01:05.27 | jim | well then he would add the security source, yes? |
| 01:05.27 | abrotman | jim: yes |
| 01:05.28 | jim | woody->sarge I think |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | jim: you're catching on quick :) |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | !tell asd about woody->sarge |
| 01:05.28 | jim | it;s old news :P |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 01:05.29 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 01:05.48 | goobit_ | asd, dist-upgrade, sid was testing |
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| 01:06.00 | citral | ... |
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| 01:06.06 | jim | sid was never testing |
| 01:06.08 | shingouz | goobit_: Sid is unstable |
| 01:06.10 | jim | and won't be |
| 01:06.12 | citral | never |
| 01:06.15 | asd | thanks |
| 01:06.31 | citral | goobit_: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 01:06.34 | citral | goobit_: read |
| 01:06.41 | goobit_ | citral, ok |
| 01:07.00 | shingouz | goobit_: /msg dpkg sid faq <--- read and weep |
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| 01:07.04 | jim | well unless they decide they want to use sid as a dist "Hey guess what everyone... we're finally going to release Sid!" |
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| 01:07.18 | citral | hard time |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | goobit_: you should stop talking now :) |
| 01:07.39 | goobit_ | abrotman, i guess someone misinformed me, it's always good to tell others rtfm if they're read it.. |
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| 01:08.05 | Ronin | close jakel |
| 01:08.10 | jim | but for now... sid is permanently unstable |
| 01:08.16 | SDFH_Linux | whats the program you need to see ART images? |
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| 01:09.05 | citral | is that a format? |
| 01:09.18 | Vivaldi | suppose you data in PCM format from a /dev/dsp . how can you play it? |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: the AOL format ? |
| 01:09.31 | SDFH_Linux | i guess so |
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| 01:09.46 | SDFH_Linux | i am trying to see some images and they are in that fils format |
| 01:09.54 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: gimp ? |
| 01:10.04 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: i was guessing .. i honestly dont' know |
| 01:10.18 | citral | Vivaldi: not sure what you mean... you can capture from /dev/dsp in wav, eventually encode it on the fly |
| 01:10.19 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
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| 01:10.40 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 01:10.49 | kelan | hmm. debconf-get-selections tells me that the "disable challenge-response logins" question applies to openssh-server and ssh, but when i try to reconfigure those packages, it doesn't ask me that question again. anyone have a clue what package i need instead? |
| 01:11.01 | Vivaldi | citral, right. how can i capture from PCM foramt from a card? |
| 01:11.13 | Vivaldi | citral, right. how can i capture PCM format from a card? |
| 01:11.55 | Vivaldi | i have a card which provides AC97 16bit 48Khz audio data. i want to record and play it. any idea? |
| 01:12.09 | citral | Vivaldi: why do you want PCM? wouldn't "sox -t ossdsp -c 2 -r 44100 -w -s /dev/dsp -t wav -| lame - --preset extreme out.mp3" (or better, oggenc) do what you want? |
| 01:12.56 | Vivaldi | citral, i only need to know if i can get any sound from this damn card. |
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| 01:13.15 | citral | Vivaldi: you can already play music? |
| 01:13.45 | Vivaldi | yes..i need to record from that card, which stream ac97 16bit 48khz PCM sound |
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| 01:13.57 | Vivaldi | citral, any idea? |
| 01:14.05 | citral | Vivaldi: I just told you... |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | goobit_: DO NOT /msg people without permission |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | goobit_: what package |
| 01:14.15 | goobit_ | abrotman, dude, i'm in debian-mono |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | !info mono etch |
| 01:14.28 | goobit_ | abrotman, there's none in stable, i'm just giving it a test run.. |
| 01:14.29 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.6-4 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 01:14.37 | anthony^ | i tried to wget the ndiswrapper; dpkg -i ndiswrapper.... but i still get ndiswrapper command not found? |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | goobit_: it's not in sarge |
| 01:14.49 | goobit_ | abrotman, I want that reportbug fixed goddammit.. |
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| 01:14.52 | citral | Vivaldi: also fire up alsamixer, press F4 for the capture screen and set up the right capture sources by pressing space on them |
| 01:14.59 | abrotman | goobit_: uhm .ok |
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| 01:15.20 | goobit_ | abrotman, frei** head using it for the message and divert to webmail poop.. |
| 01:15.25 | citral | Vivaldi: I know, it's painfull but once it worked you'll get it |
| 01:15.34 | abrotman | goobit_: engrish ? |
| 01:15.35 | mwilson | anthony^: Yes, so? Is it supposed to install a binary named "ndiswrapper"? |
| 01:15.43 | Vivaldi | citral, ok..silence..no sound at all |
| 01:15.51 | goobit_ | abrotman, freigan broked! get reportbug off f** python.. |
| 01:15.54 | anthony^ | mwilson, according to the tutorial i'm reading, yes |
| 01:15.58 | furrywolf | great... of my two 2.5" hard drives, one (thanks to yesterday's lilo bug) stuck at "LI", and other other makes clicking noises and is completely toasted. |
| 01:16.01 | Vivaldi | citral, i increased the volume from alsamixer to the maximum |
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| 01:16.25 | abrotman | !confuse goobit_ |
| 01:16.25 | dpkg | No, what was their mushroom yesterday, goobit_? shirts of the democracy of belarus with extra herring |
| 01:16.26 | citral | Vivaldi: press F4 in alsamixer like Isaid |
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| 01:16.51 | Vivaldi | citral, ok let me see |
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| 01:17.05 | raf256 | my new kernel doesnt boot - it cant find root file system I quess... all FS are compiled in [x] wha I might be missing? |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | raf256: oh i know .. you don't know what you're doing |
| 01:17.22 | furrywolf | raf256 : initrd? |
| 01:17.28 | citral | Vivaldi: I got Line: capture Capture: capture with volume at 87 and ADC and DAC capture |
| 01:17.32 | michal_ | anyone here know how to reboot a system running a xen0 kernel? I've tried asking in ##xen but it's totally dead 99% of the time |
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| 01:17.37 | raf256 | furrywolf: there is no inird.. I quess it wasnt needed? |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | !custom kernel |
| 01:17.38 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 01:17.42 | abrotman | raf256: ^^^^ |
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| 01:18.03 | seldon | raf256: Is it an IDE or S-ATA or SCSI disk, and are the respective drivers compiled into the kernel as well? |
| 01:18.06 | paul | strange ive had debian installed on this machine before, but now for some reason its not detecting my network or my hard drive |
| 01:18.12 | raf256 | seldon: ATA |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | paul: sata? which NIC? |
| 01:18.39 | seldon | Are the ATA/IDE drivers compiled into the kernel, then? |
| 01:18.42 | paul | yeah sata and a 915G chipset nic |
| 01:18.57 | paul | ive done the net install on this machine |
| 01:19.06 | Vivaldi | citral, silence :( i also have set the channel to CAPTURE mode and max volume |
| 01:19.14 | shivraj | whats the name of the lame package ? |
| 01:19.18 | Vivaldi | citral, no way |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | !lame |
| 01:19.20 | dpkg | [lame] : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 01:19.22 | michal_ | how does linux know how to reboot a computer? |
| 01:19.26 | goobit_ | abrotman, mushroom got up high enough to cover tux with coral reefs you pervert |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | goobit_: you can stop now |
| 01:19.34 | michal_ | assuming the kernel loses apm/acpi support |
| 01:19.36 | paul | you spose the hard drive needs to be zeroed? |
| 01:19.46 | goobit_ | abrotman, that's a joke.. |
| 01:19.47 | abrotman | paul: doubt it |
| 01:20.10 | citral | Vivaldi: what are you trying to record? an external minidisc or such? |
| 01:20.13 | paul | i know it will install, ive done it before, very strange it doesnt see my hard drive now |
| 01:20.36 | paul | well guess ill stick with more refined versions of debian |
| 01:20.48 | abrotman | paul: they aren't debian |
| 01:20.58 | paul | debian based |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | dont' be consfused ... |
| 01:21.15 | anthony^ | has anyone used ndiswrapper |
| 01:21.25 | shingouz | anthony^: no |
| 01:21.30 | citral | no |
| 01:21.34 | shingouz | just ask the question |
| 01:21.49 | mud_ | i use ndiswrapper |
| 01:21.49 | anthony^ | shingouz, i did earlier |
| 01:21.57 | paul | debian probably doesnt support athlon64 either |
| 01:21.57 | Vivaldi | citral, it's an usb device, with audio class interface |
| 01:22.06 | shingouz | !tell anthony^ about ask |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 01:22.12 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 01:22.12 | anthony^ | i just tried a `dbpk -i ndiswrapper file` and i'm still not able to do `ndiswrapper` |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | paul: and you can stop trolling now |
| 01:22.19 | anthony^ | shingouz, hence why i rephrased |
| 01:22.41 | paul | well, im not trolling, im just trying to figure out wtf will work with debian |
| 01:22.47 | citral | Vivaldi: you can hear the sound in your speakers? |
| 01:22.51 | furrywolf | blah... this hard drive seems well and thouroughly toasted. fortunately, when it first started making clicking noises, I sent images of the two partitions over the network, so I still have all the data. |
| 01:22.52 | paul | apparently , not much lol |
| 01:22.53 | shingouz | anthony^: i do not use ndiswrapper. i do not buy hardware that is not supported natively under linux. |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | paul: well WTF will work with kernel 2.6.8 .. same answer |
| 01:22.56 | andreasj | paul: ndiswrapper is included in Sarge |
| 01:22.57 | anthony^ | i tried adding the ndiswrapper mirror to my sources.list and it didn't have a package listed still |
| 01:23.04 | shingouz | fluck this. i need sleep. |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | paul: my laptop is 100% supported .. not our fault you buy crap stuff |
| 01:23.10 | mud_ | anthony^ do u have ndiswrapper listed in lsmod? |
| 01:23.15 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:23.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:23.26 | anthony^ | mud_, no |
| 01:23.30 | shingouz | abrotman: you need sleep too :p |
| 01:23.33 | chealer | abrotman: what's your laptop? |
| 01:23.36 | raf256 | !wud |
| 01:23.36 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 01:23.38 | jim | Damnit abrotman! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | shingouz: i do ? |
| 01:23.48 | paul | dont have the time to study up on this stuff, work too many hours, guess ill just be humble and go back to preconfigured debian based distros |
| 01:23.52 | abrotman | chealer: IBM Thinkpad |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | nothing preconfigured about them either |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | chealer: G40 |
| 01:24.10 | shingouz | abrotman: you sound like you do. we both are a bit short on the temper already |
| 01:24.12 | ysothoth | paul: be seeing you then. |
| 01:24.13 | paul | thanks for your help tho |
| 01:24.19 | chealer | abrotman: hum, that means a powerpc? |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | chealer: no .. x86 laptop |
| 01:24.30 | paul | later dudes |
| 01:24.34 | abrotman | i have no non-x86 stuff left |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. not really .. qotd51 or so seems appropriate though :) |
| 01:24.56 | jim | paul: you should run what you want, and what works for you... if debian doesn't, sorry it didn't work out |
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| 01:25.40 | blackish | Hey all, I am having a problem with a box negotiating 10BaseT-HD with a cisco 2900 router, but they reckon the router is set to full duplex - when we set the iface to FD, it works properly. where can i find info (i.e. dmesg) on why linux is negotiating to 10Base-HD? |
| 01:25.40 | shingouz | abrotman: you know the quotes by heart? do you ever go afk? |
| 01:25.49 | mud_ | anthony^ : GO HERE http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian/ |
| 01:26.15 | citral | the only thing that is not perfectly supported in thinkpads is acpi, but I guess it's the same for every brand of laptops |
| 01:26.26 | anthony^ | mud_, that's where i got the .deb from |
| 01:26.31 | furrywolf | acpi, in general, isn't supported bloody anywhere. :P |
| 01:26.32 | anthony^ | mud_, that's what i ran the dpkg -i on |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm not tthat bad .. i usually have to hunt for them .. i think it's asg that knows a lot of them |
| 01:26.51 | andreasj | anthony^: ndiswrapper is already included in Sarge and SID |
| 01:26.59 | shingouz | heh. i'll go afk in anycase. laters |
| 01:26.59 | Vivaldi | citral, yes |
| 01:27.01 | liable | citral: pretty much all works here, with a bit of tweaking. |
| 01:27.10 | StuckMojo | where can i find info on what's up with non-us? |
| 01:27.13 | mud_ | anthony^ its a source package you have to compile it |
| 01:27.14 | StuckMojo | i.e. why it went away |
| 01:27.25 | citral | StuckMojo: read the /topic |
| 01:27.31 | StuckMojo | i did |
| 01:27.32 | anthony^ | Andreasj, well, i don't have it |
| 01:27.36 | anthony^ | mud_, oh |
| 01:27.39 | StuckMojo | oops |
| 01:27.42 | abrotman | shingouz: don't go! |
| 01:27.47 | StuckMojo | thought that last bit was something else |
| 01:27.54 | andreasj | anthony^: You need non-free in your sources.list I think |
| 01:27.57 | shingouz | abrotman: one good reason |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | shingouz: party in #fesejnvlntcalhnuaschlncs in 2 minutes |
| 01:28.26 | andreasj | anthony^: No, it is in main: ndiswrapper-source, ndiswrapper-utils |
| 01:28.26 | anthony^ | echo "deb http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 01:28.46 | andreasj | anthony^: Which Debian version do you use? |
| 01:28.49 | shingouz | abrotman: i'll take a raincheck on that. i already had a party tonight |
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| 01:29.02 | anthony^ | andreasj, 3.1 i think? whatever is newest, downloaded it yesterday |
| 01:29.09 | shingouz | gone |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | shingouz: naked woman too! |
| 01:29.16 | citral | anthony^: you forgot to apt-get update hmmm? |
| 01:29.22 | anthony^ | citral, nah i did that |
| 01:29.29 | anthony^ | that was just an example command, forgot to write update |
| 01:29.37 | shingouz | abrotman: my gf would kill me. she is very scary, all five feet nothing of her |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | shingouz: uhm ... |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | shingouz: didn't you just get rid of W1.0 ? |
| 01:29.54 | andreasj | anthony^: That's Sarge (3.1). Run apt-get update and apt-cache policy ndiswrapper-source. If it isn't available, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net. |
| 01:29.58 | anthony^ | i can't build that .deb nor can i install it apparently |
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| 01:30.11 | shingouz | abrotman: she did an dpkg --auto-purge wife on me |
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| 01:30.36 | abrotman | shingouz: oh .. gotcha .. Conflicts: W1.0 .. |
| 01:30.40 | anthony^ | andreasj, i just want ndiswrapper-source not ndiswrapper? |
| 01:30.45 | citral | !info ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 testing |
| 01:30.50 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686: (Ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section net, is optional. Version: 1.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 01:31.05 | chealer | abrotman: is your laptop still manufactured/available |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | shingouz: i just want to let you know . i feel like a total dork when i can discuss your marital status in terms of debian package management :) |
| 01:31.10 | klpowell | I get an error when trying to upgrade from woody to sarge "unable to stat installed post-installation script `/var/lib/dpkg/info/logrotate.postinst': Input/output error |
| 01:31.10 | klpowell | " |
| 01:31.11 | anthony^ | ok i apt-get install ndiswrapper-source...but no ndiswrapper command still |
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| 01:31.19 | shingouz | abrotman: besides v 2.0 has a few advantages. and the autopurge was not because of conflicts really. unless bf v 2.0 is considered as one |
| 01:31.24 | inlivingcolour | hello everyone |
| 01:31.25 | abrotman | chealer: uhm .. there is a G40 available .. but not my specific model |
| 01:31.29 | mud_ | anthony^ if you got the .deb from that site you have the right package |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | shingouz: sounds like a complex dependency issue :) |
| 01:31.44 | andreasj | anthony^: Depending on the Kernel you use, you want ndiswrapper-utils, ndiswrapper-source and module-assistant, or ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-modules-`uname -r` |
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| 01:31.49 | citral | anthony^: have a look in /usr/src |
| 01:31.53 | mud_ | anthony^ install it then goto /usr/src |
| 01:31.55 | abrotman | inlivingcolour: fly girls coming later ? |
| 01:32.02 | caphuso | klpowell: input/output error most likely means that you need to go shopping for a new hard disk |
| 01:32.03 | inlivingcolour | i dont know |
| 01:32.11 | inlivingcolour | how do i set up alsa? |
| 01:32.15 | abrotman | !alsa |
| 01:32.15 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 01:32.18 | shingouz | abrotman: now _lemme_go_get_some_sleep_ or i will put you on /ignore for a few hours ;) |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | shingouz: night |
| 01:32.25 | inlivingcolour | ty |
| 01:32.27 | shingouz | :) |
| 01:32.35 | anthony^ | an't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/build |
| 01:32.41 | anthony^ | when i try to make install && make clean |
| 01:32.42 | andreasj | inlivingcolour: You probably want to install alsa-oss too |
| 01:32.48 | inlivingcolour | i am |
| 01:32.51 | inlivingcolour | might as well |
| 01:32.56 | andreasj | anthony^: Dont build it yourself, use module-assistant. |
| 01:33.14 | citral | anthony^: you need kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-k7 I think |
| 01:33.15 | klpowell | caphuso: this is a in a VDS system so its not a real harddisk. Well not directly atleast. |
| 01:33.21 | andreasj | anthony^: module-assistant prepare && module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper |
| 01:33.31 | TwistedEmotions | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:33.31 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.38 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. sorry but help? |
| 01:33.42 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: sounds like sid |
| 01:33.48 | TwistedEmotions | chealer: it is ;) |
| 01:33.57 | andreasj | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install libaspell15 should tell you what the problem is |
| 01:33.58 | citral | TwistedEmotions: apt-get update first |
| 01:34.07 | anthony^ | andreasj, yep just figured that out - thank you |
| 01:34.22 | TwistedEmotions | eggy: Package libaspell15 has no installation candidate |
| 01:34.39 | anthony^ | do any of you know any articles on power saving techniques...would kind of like my battery to last a while if i finially get wirless working |
| 01:34.41 | eggy | think you miss typed :P |
| 01:34.48 | jim | TwistedEmotions: find the problem... fix the problem... contact the maintainer... say "you're welcome" |
| 01:34.49 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... ignore the eggy ;) |
| 01:34.54 | eggy | :P |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: you did apt-get update first right ? |
| 01:35.03 | eggy | You woke me up :) |
| 01:35.04 | anthony^ | i installed noflushd (or something like that, for hd power off) but i couldn't install acpi (i think it was) because of my kernel apparently and couldn't find resources on how to fix that |
| 01:35.10 | TwistedEmotions | eggy: that wasnt... errr.. Sorry.. I love you. |
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| 01:35.16 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:35.20 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: and you're running sid/unstable ? |
| 01:35.25 | citral | anthony^: laptop-mode is fine |
| 01:35.26 | caphuso | klpowell: well, then it's probably something else that's broken |
| 01:35.26 | eggy | its okay, I forgive you TwistedEmotions :) |
| 01:35.38 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: right |
| 01:35.43 | anthony^ | citral would i already be in laptop-mode |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: wait til tomorrow |
| 01:35.44 | inlivingcolour | hmm, when i when to dl and install the alsa files, its telling me i have them installed. |
| 01:35.46 | dhuv | I am trying to get a pptp vpn setup and am following the instructions from here http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian-build.phtml |
| 01:35.47 | andreasj | TwistedEmotions: libaspell15c2 is in unstable. Could this be because of the change to GCC 4? |
| 01:35.50 | anthony^ | and i was kind of looking for more than "fine" |
| 01:35.58 | citral | anthony^: It's a package... install it :) |
| 01:36.02 | anthony^ | oh ok ;) |
| 01:36.03 | dhuv | but ran into a problem when running make config on the kernel similar to this guy here http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/03/msg00950.html |
| 01:36.06 | TwistedEmotions | andreasj: I think so.. |
| 01:36.15 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: that's what I was figuring.. |
| 01:36.24 | andreasj | TwistedEmotions: It think you need to wait until there is a new version of gedit. |
| 01:36.24 | dhuv | basically the solution is for me to downgrade gcc to 3.4 fully and build the deb |
| 01:36.33 | anthony^ | citral, laptop-mode-tools ?? |
| 01:36.41 | dhuv | now I wanted adivce from the people here to suggest the cleanest way to do this |
| 01:36.45 | citral | anthony^: basically reduces harddisk access and some other tweaks |
| 01:36.45 | dhuv | any suggestions? |
| 01:36.51 | citral | anthony^: can be |
| 01:37.04 | anthony^ | citral thats the only laptop-tools i see listed, maybe i need to google for another mirror? |
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| 01:37.12 | inlivingcolour | whats the root command for alsa? |
| 01:37.18 | citral | anthony^: then, one of the most important thing is to reduce screen brightness |
| 01:37.28 | andreasj | inlivingcolour: What are you looking for? |
| 01:37.29 | anthony^ | can i `rm -rf /usr/src/ndiswrapper*` ? |
| 01:37.38 | StuckMojo | linux-2.6.12.2/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found |
| 01:37.45 | StuckMojo | from make-kpgk |
| 01:37.46 | jim | inlivingcolour: need specifics... need information... |
| 01:37.52 | abrotman | !tell StuckMojo about search |
| 01:37.53 | citral | anthony^: laptop-mode-tools that'it |
| 01:37.58 | inlivingcolour | im trying to set up my 5.1 speaker system |
| 01:38.02 | andreasj | StuckMojo: Install compiler first? |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | !find i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 01:38.09 | abrotman | !b-e StuckMojo |
| 01:38.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'i486-linux-gnu-gcc' (5): (/usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc) in devel/gcc ;; (/usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc-4.0) in devel/gcc-4.0 ;; (/usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc-3.4) in devel/gcc-3.4 ;; (/usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc-3.3) in devel/gcc-3.3 ;; (/usr/lib/ccache/{i486-linux-gnu-gcc|i486-linux-gnu-gcc-2.95|i486-linux-gnu-gcc-3.0|...}) in devel/ccache. |
| 01:38.10 | andreasj | StuckMojo: Try build-essential |
| 01:38.10 | dpkg | StuckMojo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 01:38.22 | chealer | abrotman: "Wireless the way you want it: Choose notebooks with 802.11 a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless10, CiscoĀ® AironetĀ® Wireless 802.11b, IntelĀ® Centrinoā¢ mobile technology. Or select a wireless upgradeable models." |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | chealer: and ? |
| 01:38.41 | StuckMojo | crap, that's gonna get me gcc-4 |
| 01:38.42 | chealer | abrotman: aironet sounds good, but what does yours have? is it supported in the main kernel tree? |
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| 01:39.04 | abrotman | chealer: 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 01:39.09 | Guerin | StuckMojo: so? |
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| 01:39.47 | andreasj | StuckMojo: SID ist switching to GCC4, so you probably get it anyway for the rest of your system. |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | chealer: it's a minipci card .. so i can actually upgrade it if i choose |
| 01:40.18 | anthony^ | FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format |
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| 01:40.35 | chealer | abrotman: I'm new to laptops. what do you mean by upgrading your card exactly? |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | chealer: i have a minipci card inside the laptop |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | !minipci |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | !mini-pci |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | chealer: a little removable card |
| 01:41.33 | chealer | ok. so it's supported by HERMES option? |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | mine ? |
| 01:41.41 | citral | abrotman: do you get pcmcia working? |
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| 01:41.51 | abrotman | citral: dunno .. everything i want is built in :) |
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| 01:42.04 | abrotman | chealer: mine is via orinoco cards |
| 01:42.09 | abrocadabro | what bots program is this channel using? |
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| 01:42.16 | abrotman | !what are you |
| 01:42.16 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | chealer: oh . hermes is loaded too |
| 01:42.35 | abrocadabro | cool, thanks abrotman |
| 01:42.38 | chealer | abrotman: ok, it must be HERMES : "Hermes chipset 802.11b support (Orinoco/Prism2/Symbol) (HERMES)" |
| 01:42.39 | caphuso | a small army of blootbots and an eggdrop |
| 01:42.47 | anthony^ | andreasj, do you know what would cause that fatal error? i'm trying to follow a tutorial that said to ndiswrapper -i then modprobe |
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| 01:42.58 | chealer | abrotman: that means your card works with a stock 2.6 sarge kernel? |
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| 01:43.05 | abrotman | chealer: yeppers |
| 01:43.28 | dvs | StuckMojo: I have |
| 01:43.39 | andreasj | anthony^: Honestly, I've seen this error before, but never heard of the reason. Which compiler was used to build your kernel? dmesg should tell you. |
| 01:43.44 | StuckMojo | oh well, what's the worst that could happen |
| 01:43.49 | SDFH_Linux | when did you guys get into linux what year? |
| 01:43.56 | mud_ | anthony^ try update-modules |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | chealer: do you want my model number? |
| 01:43.58 | StuckMojo | my entire filesystem could get completely fucking hosed |
| 01:44.02 | chealer | abrotman: wow, IBM is a possibility I hadn't thinked about yet |
| 01:44.06 | citral | 1813 |
| 01:44.12 | chealer | abrotman: that could be interesting |
| 01:44.24 | andreasj | mud_: If you use Kernel 2.6, update-modules does absolutely nothing for you. |
| 01:44.25 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I installed Red Hat 4.0 in early 1997 |
| 01:44.29 | SDFH_Linux | cool |
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| 01:44.39 | SDFH_Linux | i started on mandrake 6.5 in 98 |
| 01:44.46 | anthony^ | andreasj, dmesg spammed my screen can i grep it for something |
| 01:44.57 | pipeline | SDFH_Linux: High fives, 1998 buddy. |
| 01:45.01 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 01:45.03 | anthony^ | mud_, tried; same error |
| 01:45.11 | andreasj | anthony^: dmesg | grep gcc or dmesg | less |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | chealer: 2384-33u |
| 01:45.12 | anthony^ | http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/gene/averatec-linux.html#wireless |
| 01:45.13 | Wyzard | I had Debian 1.2 in the same CD set, but I installed RH because it had kernel 2.0.18 and Debian only had 2.0, and I didn't actually know what a kernel was at the time so I just chose the one with the highest number |
| 01:45.14 | mud_ | andreasj i use 2.6.10 and my ndiswrapper was not found until i did update-modules |
| 01:45.15 | anthony^ | was trying to use that |
| 01:45.19 | citral | I installed mandrake on an ibook in november 2002, first contact |
| 01:45.34 | anthony^ | andreasj, empty |
| 01:45.46 | SDFH_Linux | in 98 at work i had a p3 450mhz with nt 4 |
| 01:45.49 | jim | !1.2 |
| 01:45.57 | anthony^ | Linux version 2.6.11-1-k7 (dannf@firetheft) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-6 |
| 01:45.57 | anthony^ | )) #1 Mon Jun 20 21:26:23 MDT 2005 |
| 01:45.58 | anthony^ | that? |
| 01:45.59 | SDFH_Linux | i put mandrake 6.5 on it my friends at work thought i was nuts |
| 01:46.00 | pipeline | SDFH_Linux: I think we missed the worst of it. By '98, Linux distributions were almost usable :P |
| 01:46.02 | jim | !codenames |
| 01:46.02 | dpkg | methinks codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 01:46.13 | chealer | abrotman: thanks. of course, I shouldn't have expected to find anything about it on IBM's website... sigh |
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| 01:46.14 | SDFH_Linux | also tried out beos 4.5 |
| 01:46.16 | SDFH_Linux | then |
| 01:46.19 | pipeline | Something I've always wondered about Debian |
| 01:46.21 | masteraccurate | gmorning |
| 01:46.26 | pipeline | Is what causes a major release number change? |
| 01:46.31 | mud_ | anthony^ try a different tutorial i found a lot of outdated pages when i did mine |
| 01:46.33 | masteraccurate | http://bilder.masteraccurate.ath.cx/fun/213374y4.jpg |
| 01:46.34 | masteraccurate | http://bilder.masteraccurate.ath.cx/fun/h4ckd4p14n37.jpg |
| 01:46.35 | StuckMojo | i ran FBSD in like 95. redhat somethingoldashell in like 96 |
| 01:46.36 | masteraccurate | ^^ |
| 01:46.39 | Wyzard | pipeline: I think it was libc5->libc6 |
| 01:46.42 | dvs | pipeline: release manager's whim |
| 01:46.43 | SDFH_Linux | yes i read that before 98 just to put the distro on your computer you were like a guru |
| 01:46.48 | andreasj | anthony^: What does cc --version say? |
| 01:46.54 | citral | mandrake didn't stay long, I got really fast tired of hell rpm mosdependencies |
| 01:46.56 | Wyzard | pipeline: but I'm not 100% sure, because I never actually used Debian until 2.0 |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | chealer: there's a bit .. try the support area |
| 01:46.58 | pipeline | Wyzard: Woody still has libc5 compatibility, though... |
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| 01:47.18 | Wyzard | pipeline: Right, but nothing in the system is actually compiled against libc5 |
| 01:47.21 | jim | masteraccurate: those have something to do with debian? |
| 01:47.35 | masteraccurate | a litle ;) |
| 01:47.41 | masteraccurate | <-- debianuser :) |
| 01:48.04 | abrotman | masteraccurate: that's pretty poor taste |
| 01:48.09 | StuckMojo | masteraccurate isn't he dead? |
| 01:48.19 | masteraccurate | yes :/ i am from poland! |
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| 01:48.23 | anthony^ | andreasj, cc (GCC) 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-1) |
| 01:48.38 | masteraccurate | but i live in germany ;) |
| 01:48.44 | chealer | pipeline: vorlon informally said there wouldn't be more odd release numbers (if it was only for him). etch should be 4 |
| 01:48.46 | andreasj | anthony^: I don't know, but maybe it is because the gcc version. |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | masteraccurate: poor taste |
| 01:48.56 | litage | how does one enable inline pdf viewing in firefox? |
| 01:49.12 | chealer | pipeline: I don't think there have been any formal rules in the past anyway |
| 01:49.13 | pipeline | Wyzard: That seems plausible, as Hamm could conceivably have been the first to use linux 2.0 and libc5... |
| 01:49.14 | masteraccurate | the old papst was 1337! :D he had a notebook ;) |
| 01:50.00 | Wyzard | pipeline: 1.2 had kernel 2.0... says so on the back of my December 1996 InfoMagic CD set, which I have in my hands right now :-) |
| 01:50.02 | mud_ | religious humor is great if your not religious |
| 01:50.03 | ysothoth | masteraccurate: Well I liked it. |
| 01:50.12 | masteraccurate | i think with debian...what otherwise? |
| 01:50.17 | pipeline | Wyzard: Well, there goes the libc4->5->6 hypothesis. |
| 01:50.18 | mud_ | thank god im not |
| 01:50.20 | jim | 1.1 was the first, and I did an upgrade from the previous version which was -not- 1.0 (anyone remember why?) |
| 01:50.24 | abrotman | masteraccurate: IT"S NOT FUNNY |
| 01:50.25 | anthony^ | andreasj, apt-get update gcc ? |
| 01:50.31 | ufoalien | liable: there's a debian package for it |
| 01:50.34 | masteraccurate | no but real for me ;) |
| 01:50.36 | bob2 | versiond numbers are arbitrary, deal |
| 01:50.40 | Wyzard | pipeline: It couldn't have used libc5 on kernel 2.0? |
| 01:50.41 | pipeline | jim: I expect '1.0' may just have been Murdock's initial release? |
| 01:50.42 | citral | not even close to be a little bit funny |
| 01:50.47 | mud_ | but it wasnt very funny |
| 01:50.52 | liable | ufoalien: ?? |
| 01:50.53 | Wyzard | pipeline: There actually was no 1.0... the first release was 1.1 |
| 01:50.53 | pipeline | Wyzard: It couldn't have used libc4 on kernel 2.0, I don't think |
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| 01:50.57 | jim | pipeline: 1.0 was never released |
| 01:51.06 | andreasj | anthony^: It's a little more complicated. If you want to use GCC 3.3, first you need to install it (if it is still in SID). |
| 01:51.08 | masteraccurate | that means faith |
| 01:51.11 | jim | because infomagic tried to release for us |
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| 01:51.15 | dvs | Wyzard: Wasn't it 1.01? |
| 01:51.19 | jim | no |
| 01:51.20 | Wyzard | pipeline: Some distributor made CDs of a prerelease and called it 1.0, so when the actual release was made, they called it 1.1 |
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| 01:51.24 | pipeline | Wyzard: That was before my time. I know finding libc4 compat libs is a real f'in pain. |
| 01:51.39 | anthony^ | andreasj, wouldnt that give me a compile error not just break it? |
| 01:51.39 | pipeline | Wyzard: Netscape :P |
| 01:51.43 | jim | I started with libc4 |
| 01:51.55 | chealer | !debian 1.0 |
| 01:51.55 | dpkg | debian 1.0 is, like, a mistake by InfoMagic. They released an unstable version of Debian as 1.0. Google groups archives the posting by Bruce Perens annoucing this at http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=m0tPBxF-000F9vC%40mongo.pixar.com |
| 01:51.56 | masteraccurate | i dont wanne disurb any more :) bye ;) |
| 01:52.00 | Wyzard | pipeline: I think the oldest Netscape I ever saw was libc5 |
| 01:52.02 | andreasj | anthony^: I don't know, as I said I have seen the error before, but never a solution. |
| 01:52.14 | anthony^ | great..... |
| 01:52.19 | anthony^ | that sounds optimistic |
| 01:52.21 | Wyzard | pipeline: Then again, way back when I started, I did use some version of Netscape in RH4, and I didn't even know what libc was at the time |
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| 01:52.27 | pipeline | Wyzard: Netscape was the first commercial software for linux that I know of. |
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| 01:52.38 | pipeline | Wyzard: Even NS 2.x was available, as a libc4 binary. |
| 01:52.41 | ufoalien | liable: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Acrobat |
| 01:52.55 | pipeline | Wyzard: In hindsight, it's amazing that they had the foresight to take heed of linux. |
| 01:53.00 | liable | ufoalien: err, wrong nick I think.. :) |
| 01:53.05 | chealer | dpkg: debian 1.0 =~ s/com/com. the first stable debian release was 1.1 |
| 01:53.15 | Wyzard | pipeline: hehe, yeah |
| 01:53.18 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone knows about an nfs-kernel-server install error, giving "svcgssdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-kernel-server, action "restart" failed." ? |
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| 01:53.51 | bob2 | sounds like your kernel is missing nfs serving |
| 01:54.04 | jim | foresight is good, when looking back at it... |
| 01:54.22 | ufoalien | litage: /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/install_browser_plugin |
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| 01:54.32 | ufoalien | litage: oopppss sry ;) |
| 01:54.50 | dvs | chealer: Yuck! Looks ugly now! |
| 01:55.01 | chealer | dvs: did you try lately... |
| 01:55.05 | chealer | !debian 1.0 |
| 01:55.05 | dpkg | i guess debian 1.0 is a mistake by InfoMagic. They released an unstable version of Debian as 1.0. Google groups archives the posting by Bruce Perens annoucing this at http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=m0tPBxF-000F9vC%40mongo.pixar.com. the first stable debian release was 1.1 |
| 01:55.16 | dan2 | !beat abrotman |
| 01:55.19 | Wyzard | hehe, I didn't know InfoMagic was the offending vendor |
| 01:55.23 | bureado | !beat me |
| 01:55.23 | dvs | chealer: I just did just before dan2 got here |
| 01:55.27 | bureado | Hehehe |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | chealer: you fucked it up! |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | !debian 1.0 =~ s/.com. the/.com The/ |
| 01:55.48 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 01:56.08 | chealer | I'm innocent! It was not voluntary! |
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| 01:56.19 | citral | they all say that |
| 01:56.25 | paolob | bob2: apparently it has nfs support |
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| 01:56.36 | calamari | hi |
| 01:56.43 | paolob | bob2: as I could see in the kernel config that is in /boot |
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| 01:57.34 | chealer | abrotman: it works fine with gaim here, but I never really cared enough about isolating URLs |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | chealer: you should! |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | chealer: dirty frenchman! |
| 01:58.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:58.09 | chealer | abrotman: google is quiet for "2384-33 site:ibm.com" |
| 01:58.18 | abrotman | chealer: you need 33u |
| 01:58.27 | chealer | you mean dirty multi-protocol IM client user that uses only 2 protocols |
| 01:58.50 | chealer | 33u only returns less of nothing |
| 01:58.58 | jim | dirty using user? |
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| 01:59.24 | chealer | the gaim devs recognize it's not a panacea for IRC use |
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| 01:59.45 | abrotman | chealer: just try it without the site:ibm.co |
| 01:59.51 | pipeline | gaim just has irc because trillian has irc :P |
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| 02:00.25 | vincenz | Hello |
| 02:00.32 | vincenz | I want do some ircbot testing |
| 02:00.38 | vincenz | what ircd package do you recommend? |
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| 02:00.56 | jim | you don't need an ircd to test ircbot |
| 02:00.56 | chealer | maybe...I'm considering switching to 1 jabber client and 1 real IRC client (amazing, heh?) |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | vincenz: apt-cache search ircd |
| 02:01.16 | vincenz | abrotman: a bunch of the |
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| 02:01.20 | vincenz | jim: what then? |
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| 02:01.28 | abrotman | vincenz: so pick one |
| 02:01.30 | wers | i made a partition with fdisk.. but i cant mount it,,, is there an alternative to fdisk? |
| 02:01.49 | vincenz | Which one does freenode use?/ |
| 02:01.50 | p8m_ | wers: Did you put a filesystem on it? |
| 02:01.55 | jim | vincenz: put the bot in an existing net, in your own channel |
| 02:02.05 | vincenz | jim: don't want to spam in case of accidents |
| 02:02.05 | wers | pm8_ ja ext3 |
| 02:02.16 | pipeline | wers: cfdisk is easier to use than fdisk |
| 02:02.21 | wers | tune2fs |
| 02:02.22 | chealer | abrotman: for some reason I almost never find a link to the manufacturer on the first page when googling a computer hardware product...that's why I used "site:" |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | chealer: ah ok |
| 02:02.29 | wers | pipeline..thnx |
| 02:02.30 | pipeline | wers: And harder to fuck up. It's easy to make a bad partition table with fdisk accidentally. Use cfdisk when you can. |
| 02:02.42 | pipeline | Only crazy old fucks use fdisk or sfdisk. |
| 02:02.54 | wers | im a fuck. |
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| 02:02.56 | litage | ufoalien: why oops? |
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| 02:03.47 | jim | vincenz: that's why you put it on your own channel... but... your own ircd isn't a bad way too |
| 02:03.51 | Wyzard | Wow... a friend just told me that his employer runs exclusively old versions of Windows (95b and 98 pre-SE) for "security" purposes, because "nobody writes viruses or worms for those anymore" |
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| 02:04.18 | vincenz | jim: oki, th |
| 02:04.21 | vincenz | thx even |
| 02:04.48 | pipeline | Windows 95B? 95A is even more secure: The TCP/IP is too broken to be a zombie. |
| 02:04.50 | chealer | I know a geek that commonly wears a t-shirt about half the weight of its original weight and uses win98 for the same reason |
| 02:05.15 | pipeline | Using windows 9x is just perverse |
| 02:05.19 | pipeline | it's like using MacOS |
| 02:05.23 | pipeline | or BeOS |
| 02:05.33 | pipeline | How did people get by with operating systems that just... died. |
| 02:06.02 | chealer | yep, gentoo wouldn't even qualify as a comparison |
| 02:06.02 | SDFH_Linux | how about Windows 95 B or C |
| 02:06.07 | SDFH_Linux | :P: |
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| 02:06.18 | pipeline | chealer: Gentoo has protected memory :P |
| 02:06.42 | chealer | pipeline: hey, I'm missing the trolls ;) |
| 02:06.46 | goobit_ | pipeline, so if I decided to get a mini-mac I should kill nice MacOS is what you're saying? |
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| 02:07.01 | m13a8 | heyi did the netinst of debian and got xfce installed but i'm not sure what to do next |
| 02:07.14 | SDFH_Linux | dance dance dance |
| 02:07.40 | absinthe_ | m13a8, elaborate please |
| 02:07.47 | p8m_ | m13a8: Step 3: get drunk |
| 02:07.55 | m13a8 | lol |
| 02:08.24 | m13a8 | more specific, i need to know what things i need to install under aptitude |
| 02:08.27 | p8m_ | m13a8: Did you get x-window-system? |
| 02:08.54 | andreasj | m13a8: You need to install the software you want to use of course. |
| 02:08.58 | m13a8 | yea, i got x-window-system, kdm and xfe4 |
| 02:09.04 | d03boy | he is missing a lot of programs |
| 02:09.09 | m13a8 | yea |
| 02:09.11 | shivraj | anyone use moto4lin ? |
| 02:09.23 | elkid | whats that |
| 02:09.27 | d03boy | can he install a group of software somehow? Like compilers and stuff all at once instead of sifting through each package? |
| 02:09.33 | shivraj | trying to get it to connect to phone but its not connecting |
| 02:09.41 | andreasj | d03boy: tasksel |
| 02:09.43 | shivraj | a program that lets you upload files to motorola phones |
| 02:09.48 | absinthe_ | m13a8, Ok, what do you want to do with your computer? |
| 02:10.04 | pipeline | goobit_: MacOS won't run on a mac mini. |
| 02:10.07 | m13a8 | i want to get j2re installed, but the .bin off of java.sun.com doesn't work |
| 02:10.12 | d03boy | m13a8, /msg dpkg tasksel |
| 02:10.13 | wers | shivraj theres a kde bluetooth thingie |
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| 02:10.23 | pipeline | goobit_: It simply won't boot. The last capable machine was the MDD g4. |
| 02:10.28 | andreasj | m13a8: Why doesn't it work? |
| 02:10.30 | goobit_ | pipeline, then what's good on a mac mini? |
| 02:10.55 | m13a8 | because after i install the .bin, restart firefox, it still says like click here to install plugin |
| 02:11.17 | nvz | m13a8: you were not suppose to run the bin |
| 02:11.19 | andreasj | m13a8: That doesn't mean anything. Do you still habe the bin file? |
| 02:11.22 | pipeline | goobit_: It comes with OSX, but I would replace that with Linux PPC or NetBSD right off, as I can't fucking stand OSX. |
| 02:11.28 | nvz | m13a8: especially if you didnt know what to do with it. |
| 02:11.36 | pipeline | goobit_: MacOS and OSX are not related operating systems. They're totally and completely different things. |
| 02:11.43 | nvz | m13a8: you should have installed java-pacakge, and used it to build a deb package from the bin |
| 02:11.44 | m13a8 | i sill have the bin |
| 02:11.55 | andreasj | m13a8: Install java-package and fakeroot. |
| 02:11.59 | nvz | m13a8: which would have put the files into the correct locations so they would work |
| 02:12.07 | d03boy | nvz, he doesnt have make-jpkg |
| 02:12.18 | m13a8 | yea, don't got it |
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| 02:12.20 | d03boy | he's missing tons of programs |
| 02:12.27 | goobit_ | pipeline, hey, I'm asking what I should install on a macmini, if you don't know then fine, I won't buy one then.. |
| 02:12.28 | nvz | DUH |
| 02:12.31 | nvz | !install it |
| 02:12.37 | m13a8 | how though |
| 02:12.47 | andreasj | m13a8: Then run fakeroot make-jpkg javexyz.bin |
| 02:12.48 | nvz | hrm wrong factiod key |
| 02:12.56 | nvz | !installed |
| 02:12.56 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 02:12.57 | pipeline | goobit_: Well, Linux and NetBSD are both good choices. And it comes with OSX for free. |
| 02:13.02 | nvz | no idea |
| 02:13.08 | m13a8 | so apt-get install fakeroot ? |
| 02:13.14 | goobit_ | pipeline, what about debian on it, is there such a good one? |
| 02:13.15 | d03boy | m13a8, you need to go through tasksel before you try installing java |
| 02:13.21 | d03boy | you're missing like... everything? |
| 02:13.26 | andreasj | d03boy: No, you don't. |
| 02:13.28 | pipeline | goobit_: Yeah, Debian would work great on it. |
| 02:13.29 | nvz | you don't need tasksel for anything |
| 02:13.39 | QuietByDay | my question: With a standard Debian desktop installation, under XFCE's "Accessories" menu, there is a program called "Computer". I clicked it, and now my GNOME desktop is stuck in the background. How do I remove it? |
| 02:13.42 | pipeline | goobit_: Supports everything but the wireless, IIRC. It may even support the TV-out apple sells as an option. |
| 02:13.47 | goobit_ | pipeline, i have no clue about macs, never had one.. |
| 02:13.56 | chealer | abrotman: sorry if I'm asking you to hold my hand, but on http://www.pc.ibm.com/europe/wireless/en/hardware.html?europe in Integrated wireless technology does "(select models)" really mean "some models, but we won't care to tell you which ones"? |
| 02:13.59 | andreasj | m13a8: install fakeroot java-package |
| 02:14.00 | d03boy | well then he needs help with his sources.list because he tried apt-get install make-jpkg and it didnt find anything |
| 02:14.01 | nvz | tasksel is only going to install about 600 things he doesnt currently want or need at this moment |
| 02:14.12 | d03boy | or does it come iwth java-package? |
| 02:14.15 | caphuso | d03boy: it does |
| 02:14.16 | pipeline | goobit_: The Mac mini is actually a pretty good deal. It's cheaper and faster than any x86 PC that small. |
| 02:14.17 | nvz | d03boy: because make-jpkg isnt a package |
| 02:14.22 | d03boy | aww, no wonder |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | chealer: oh yeah .. you're french .. |
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| 02:14.39 | m13a8 | how do i select something in that tasksel |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | chealer: they will tell you .. |
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| 02:15.05 | andreasj | m13a8: Using Space probably. However that doesn't change anything for your Java problem. |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | chealer: http://www5.pc.ibm.com/europe/products.nsf/Products?openagent&brand=Thinkpad&series=ThinkPad+G+Series |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | see |
| 02:15.32 | metaperl | !port |
| 02:15.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, port is To port something, you translate the code for a program from one platform to another. You could port a program you wrote on a PC over to a Macintosh, for example. Port, or for TCP and UDP port numbers, see the IANA's list at http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers |
| 02:15.36 | p8m_ | The macmini has a very slow hard drive. |
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| 02:15.59 | banedon | ok |
| 02:16.04 | banedon | I am using netstat |
| 02:16.09 | kelan | do all packages in the official repositories have to be signed? |
| 02:16.10 | banedon | what is all this stuff it outputs |
| 02:16.10 | chealer | abrotman: yeah, I suppose being natively english-speaking would help in that case. I found that page, but it only says "ThinkPad 11b/g Wi-Fi wireless" |
| 02:16.13 | goobit_ | p8m_, how slow? |
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| 02:16.29 | abrotman | chealer: no .. just that i know the uk site sucks |
| 02:17.24 | chealer | abrotman: however, if I click on the specific laptops, some models will have the centrino logo. should I assume that centrino laptops's "ThinkPad 11b/g Wi-Fi wireless" has an IPW chipset and the rest has an Aironet? |
| 02:17.30 | goobit_ | p8m_, I'm looking for something that uses little energy with high disk-to-netowkr speed.. i was thinking of using that little bitch as a webserver.. |
| 02:17.33 | andreasj | m13a8: In tasksel you probably /don't/ want to select the desktop environment task, because that will install both KDE and Gnome. If you want to use XFCE4 instead, don't select it. |
| 02:17.47 | m13a8 | ok |
| 02:17.59 | nvz | m13a8: yes, it will install some 600+ packages you neither need or want |
| 02:18.07 | chealer | I'm getting increasingly angry about laptop manufacturers's "specifications" level of detail |
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| 02:18.16 | p8m_ | goobit_: It's a 2.5, 4200rpm laptop drive |
| 02:18.39 | nvz | eww |
| 02:19.05 | liable | chealer: heh, try and phone their support then, that will make you happy....not :P |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | wow .. that's probably got some killer throughput |
| 02:19.06 | goobit_ | p8m_, better I guess I'm off with sata on an x86.. but it must be great on the energy bill..a thing that small probably can be powered by battery shoes.. |
| 02:19.36 | goobit_ | p8m_, i think you can change it though..no? |
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| 02:20.25 | abrotman | nvz: how's georgia ? |
| 02:20.27 | banedon | what does the output of netstat show? |
| 02:20.30 | banedon | what si this stuff |
| 02:20.36 | nvz | abrotman: heh, stfu :P |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | man netstat |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | it does tell you |
| 02:21.02 | liable | banedon: how about reading the man page. |
| 02:21.08 | nvz | abrotman: I haven't been to Georgia in like 9 years or so |
| 02:21.22 | nvz | maybe more than that |
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| 02:21.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:22.02 | goobit_ | p8m_, thanks for telling, the mac bastards say nothing about it in the specs.. |
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| 02:23.03 | nvz | abrotman: I got me a half way decent job in progress, going to try starting up a LUG.. I am going to try stay put awhile and get back in touch with my friends. |
| 02:23.03 | wers | hub 5-0:1.0: Connect debounce failed, port 3 disabled... it says that all the time in all consoles.. wtf??! |
| 02:23.23 | p8m_ | goobit_: No problem. As for swapping it out, I have no idea. :) |
| 02:23.47 | disasm | any idea what glob is? when I try to start racoon with a known good config I get the error: Jul 11 21:02:20 lewserver racoon: ERROR: glob found no matches for path |
| 02:23.48 | goobit_ | p8m_, i need something for my dam zope :(..a dedicated piece of hardware.. i'm looking at the 64-bit machines..don't know if this can help much of a difference for webservices.. |
| 02:24.20 | disasm | goobit_: web services are usually ram intensive moreso that cpu intensive |
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| 02:24.25 | abrotman | nvz: in utah ? |
| 02:24.30 | goobit_ | p8m_, I'm sure you can swap it out..but won't bother if it is really 4800 and its correctly measured |
| 02:24.46 | nvz | abrotman: no, in Pennsylvania doof :P |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 02:25.03 | Guerin | only clueless people would use a single mac mini as a dedicated webserver |
| 02:25.10 | raf256 | !smitesmite abrocadabro |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | yeah .. cause it's bigger than a blade |
| 02:25.26 | raf256 | whooops, I missed, I was going for abrotman |
| 02:25.26 | goobit_ | disasm, so what do you run for it? |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | raf256: i know .. but it's about par on your course |
| 02:25.45 | wers | how do i format a fat32 partition from linux? |
| 02:25.57 | goobit_ | wers, mk<tab><tab> |
| 02:25.57 | andreasj | wers: mkdosfs -F32 |
| 02:26.00 | Guerin | wers: mkfs.vfat |
| 02:26.01 | wers | thnx |
| 02:26.25 | disasm | goobit_: i had zope running a a 366 with a gig of ram at one time, and then I got tired of zope and started using apache again |
| 02:26.52 | goobit_ | disasm, but you can use zope with apache .. there's a way to do it.. |
| 02:27.05 | Guerin | <3 apache |
| 02:27.51 | disasm | goobit_: yeah, but why? |
| 02:28.21 | disasm | goobit_: especially when you dont like webguis/wizards |
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| 02:28.42 | goobit_ | disasm, well you can built your frameworks.. it is a little tricky with metal to getting used to.. |
| 02:28.50 | kbrooks | Congratulations Debian! |
| 02:28.51 | nvz | abrotman: got a job with FedEx SmartPost its a subsidiary of FedEx Ground, we are a customer of the USPS. They bought out some Parcel Direct company or something and are changing the locations to FedEx SmartPost. this one that is opening for its first (hopefully) business day tomorrow, will be the only new building they built.. we will be setting the standard for all the old Parcel Direct places. |
| 02:29.08 | goobit_ | disasm, wizards? there are no wizards..hmm.. |
| 02:29.25 | raf256 | how can I activate Anticipatory Scheduler? I have both compiled in to kernel |
| 02:29.30 | bob2 | so, if anyone is in boston, it's their moral responsibility to find gravity, and get him drunk |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | nvz: in Moon ? |
| 02:29.45 | goobit_ | disasm, you can create your own applications and therefore build your own objects.. you can't do this with anything else out there I think.. |
| 02:29.47 | raf256 | that was a big lag.... |
| 02:29.48 | nvz | abrotman: in Leetsdale Industrial Park |
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| 02:29.50 | raf256 | so... how can I activate Anticipatory Scheduler? I have both compiled in to kernel |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | bob2: they work well ? |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | bob2: i don't think he's old enough to drink |
| 02:30.21 | m13a8 | ok i have the java-package.tar.gz, i've extracted it and have my j2re.bin downloaded, now what |
| 02:31.02 | nvz | abrotman: right across the street from my house. there are a bunch of FedEx big wigs from all over the country there for a few weeks getting things off the ground.. I got in the door before it opened with a good refernce.. so it could turn out to be a good job once they get things rolling |
| 02:31.10 | mwilson | bob2: Gravity needs to be drunk? |
| 02:31.46 | Guerin | having finished the xorg packages qualifies as worthy of a drink, i think |
| 02:31.53 | andreasj | m13a8: What java-package.tar.gz? You should install it using apt: apt-get install java-package |
| 02:32.08 | m13a8 | i try, but it says that it cant find package: java-package |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | !java install |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | !install java |
| 02:32.28 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
| 02:32.35 | andreasj | m13a8: You need contrib in your sources.list, not only main |
| 02:32.45 | m13a8 | ? |
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| 02:33.16 | andreasj | m13a8: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list. Change "main" to "main contrib" for all official Debian Servers. |
| 02:33.25 | chealer | hey, why did my X just broke? |
| 02:33.39 | andreasj | m13a8: Then run apt-get update and apt-get install java-package |
| 02:33.42 | chealer | and how come there are only 550 people on the channel :? |
| 02:33.51 | m13a8 | ok where it says sarge main change it to sarge main config? |
| 02:33.54 | m13a8 | or everywhere it says main |
| 02:33.55 | jim | chealer: because she came to a stop sign? |
| 02:34.03 | m13a8 | contrib** |
| 02:34.15 | andreasj | m13a8: Yes |
| 02:34.28 | chealer | jim: nah, only the maintainer can be responsible |
| 02:34.52 | andreasj | m13a8: For all Server entries - everything that starts with deb(-src) http|ftp |
| 02:34.56 | goobit_ | abrotman, is aptitude supposedly replacing traditional apt-get? |
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| 02:35.03 | abrotman | goobit_: not for me |
| 02:35.51 | jim | goobit_: originally, apt-get was only meant as a test of the lib |
| 02:35.53 | goobit_ | abrotman, where can I list x-core-window-something or the zorch alike? |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | wtf is zorch ? |
| 02:36.30 | wers | when i type mkfs ext3 /dev/hda3 i get error message: mkfs.ext2: bad blocks count ... what to do? |
| 02:36.31 | mwilson | Guerin: They're finished? I didn't see an upload to unstable. |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | x-window-system-core |
| 02:36.34 | m13a8 | andreasj, i change everything that has deb or dev-src to http|ftp? |
| 02:36.46 | andreasj | m13a8: Next run apt-get update and apt-get install java-package |
| 02:37.07 | goobit_ | abrotman, Ivan 2Pickmeoff -- Sun of the Masquerade > zorch=something >:) |
| 02:37.18 | abrotman | goobit_: english |
| 02:37.26 | goobit_ | abrotman, it is an english word |
| 02:37.30 | goobit_ | abrotman, zilch = null |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | you're not speaking english |
| 02:37.40 | m13a8 | it says type 'http|ftp://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/' is not known on line 3 in source list |
| 02:37.41 | abrotman | are you quebecois ? |
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| 02:38.36 | goobit_ | abrotman, http://onelook.com/?w=zorch&ls=a -- well it will be, but at least it's in foldoc :) hihihi.. |
| 02:38.51 | andreasj | m13a8: lol, change that http|ftp back to http or ftp, you were supposed to change all entries using ftp or http, not change http or ftp to "http|ftp" |
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| 02:38.58 | srbaker | what's X autoconfiguration like in sarage? |
| 02:39.00 | srbaker | sarge even |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | goobit_: if you can't explain it .. i'm not going to be able to help |
| 02:39.02 | goobit_ | Wyzard, t'es quebecois grenouille ? hihihi |
| 02:39.03 | m13a8 | oh...lol |
| 02:39.05 | abrotman | !drxx srbaker |
| 02:39.06 | dpkg | srbaker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:39.21 | srbaker | i mena, how good is it? |
| 02:39.21 | Wyzard | goobit_: No, I live in Pennsylvania, USA |
| 02:39.28 | goobit_ | abrotman, where can I list virtual package names-- or alias names ? |
| 02:39.31 | srbaker | ihave a GeForce4 MX440 |
| 02:39.32 | Wyzard | goobit_: which is why I was surprised to see a Quebec license plate :-) |
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| 02:39.36 | goobit_ | Wyzard, acadian? |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | goobit_: oh .. no idea .. |
| 02:39.40 | Guerin | !yinzersmite Wyzard |
| 02:39.44 | mwilson | srbaker: None to speak of. |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: they're all over .. apparently .ca sucks .. they come here for vacation :) |
| 02:39.53 | Wyzard | I was even more surprised two minutes later to see a license-plate frame that said "BMW of Honolulu" |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: pretty sad huh |
| 02:40.10 | goobit_ | abrotman, should be somewhere down /var/... |
| 02:40.12 | srbaker | mwilson, none what? no autoconfiguration? |
| 02:40.39 | goobit_ | Wyzard, do you know where quebec is? |
| 02:40.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, I saw Howl's Moving Castle today... very worthwhile |
| 02:40.49 | nvz | abrotman: what do you know about moon anyhow, isnt it like 250 or so miles away from where you live? |
| 02:40.53 | jim | northeast |
| 02:40.53 | andreasj | srbaker: If you install the right packages, Debian can autodetect your mouse and card, /maybe/ even your screen |
| 02:40.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: were you on lsd ? |
| 02:40.53 | mfrisch | Wyzard when we see Alaska we get worried |
| 02:40.58 | Wyzard | goobit_: Yes, though I haven't been there... the only province I've been in is BC |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | nvz: i know fedex has a thing in Moon .. and my brother lived in Moon |
| 02:41.07 | srbaker | andreasj, heh, which packages? |
| 02:41.24 | goobit_ | Wyzard, well you're supposed to come here you jackass..and place your tourist money here! |
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| 02:41.41 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:41.45 | andreasj | srbaker: mdetect, discover1, read-edid |
| 02:41.50 | goobit_ | Wyzard, I'm joking.. the economy is not doing as good as it should here :(.. |
| 02:41.57 | Rangitoto | If I create files (mainly documents and spreadsheets) using Open Office on one computer running linux, save them to a Windows computer via a network and then retrieve them using Open Office on the Windows computer, would there be any problems? |
| 02:41.59 | mwilson | srbaker: AFAIK, it still uses discover, so it should still be fundamentally broken. I've used d-i a grand total of once since the Sarge release, though, so perhaps someone else knows how to massage it. |
| 02:42.00 | goobit_ | Wyzard, because of people like you! |
| 02:42.02 | srbaker | why discover1 and not discover? |
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| 02:42.13 | andreasj | srbaker: I think discover1 is standard in Sarge |
| 02:42.17 | srbaker | grrr |
| 02:42.23 | andreasj | srbaker: IIRC it is part of the base system. |
| 02:42.25 | mfrisch | I know people who go for "head" shops |
| 02:42.27 | nvz | abrotman: oh. this is a brand new building. Steve Thomas has really built up Leetsdale Industrial Park while I was away. He's since crushed up and sorted out all the remains of Three Rivers Stadium and built new buildings out of it |
| 02:42.45 | Wyzard | goobit_: I've been skiing in Vermont, which is close |
| 02:42.48 | andreasj | srbaker: You don't need it, just select the nv driver. |
| 02:42.51 | mwilson | The best thing you can do for discover is remove it, then delete the deb, then delete the deb from all the mirrors you can reach. |
| 02:43.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, I wasn't, sorry :-) |
| 02:43.16 | srbaker | i want it to autodetect my screen |
| 02:43.21 | berky | Hi, all. I'm a real noob running Debian SARGE on my laptop. Last night I had my laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro) power off due to overheating. I discovered on closer examination that the fan is not working at all. |
| 02:43.25 | nvz | abrotman: he just bought the section of Beaver St where the landslide was off the school district, and is carving out the rock and dirt from the hillside there to prevent any further landslides, and to fill in some areas he is building next |
| 02:43.25 | andreasj | srbaker: For that you need get-edid |
| 02:43.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, they're apparently going to be playing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory on the IMAX screen |
| 02:43.37 | srbaker | read-edid, or get-edid? |
| 02:43.37 | goobit_ | Wyzard, Vermont? you come for skying only? Come join the July Laugh festivals hihihihihi...yahahaha.. the biggest comedy festival in NA :) |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: howls ? |
| 02:43.49 | andreasj | srbaker: But especially on nvidia cards that often doesn't work properly :-( |
| 02:44.21 | goobit_ | yahahahaha http://www.hahaha.com/ |
| 02:44.22 | srbaker | grr |
| 02:44.27 | goobit_ | Montreal! |
| 02:44.30 | goobit_ | my city!! |
| 02:44.35 | andreasj | srbaker: The most reliable way is to select advances configuration and enter the minumum/maximum frequencies of your screen manually. |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm actually scared of johnnie depp as willy wonka |
| 02:44.45 | mfrisch | goobit_ keep it |
| 02:44.54 | berky | I decided to install Toshiba Tools to see if "fan" could turn it on. I have spent most of the day compiling the kernel to have support for Toshiba Tools. Now I mention this to a friend and he tells me I should upgrade my kernel instead before I do anything else. I don't know how to do this. |
| 02:44.57 | srbaker | andreasj, that sucks |
| 02:44.58 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 02:44.58 | srbaker | hard |
| 02:44.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: With the his hair, I would've thought Wonka was a woman if I didn't know Depp is male |
| 02:45.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: but Howl's is very good |
| 02:45.11 | berky | The laptop is using 2.6.8-2-386. |
| 02:45.12 | goobit_ | mfrisch, no, come to my city! the biggest comedy festival in northamerica.. |
| 02:45.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: what is it ? |
| 02:45.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: Miyazaki |
| 02:45.26 | liable | berky: thats the newest for sarge. |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: engrish@! |
| 02:45.38 | berky | liable: So I'm on the right track with recompiling the kernel? |
| 02:45.38 | nvz | the park got a new manager, and many new businesses. Snyder of Berlin, K&K Gourmet Meats, FedEx SmartPost, Pennsoil.. etc |
| 02:45.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: Have you seen "Princess Mononoke" or "Spirited Away" ? |
| 02:45.59 | liable | berky: can you not just modprobe it, from the standard kernel? |
| 02:45.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: same studio |
| 02:46.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: you watch cartoon porn ? |
| 02:46.07 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:46.19 | Wyzard | hardly |
| 02:46.29 | abrotman | i think the former i've seen |
| 02:46.33 | berky | liable: The module "is not available" according to the developer's site. I did try "insmod toshiba" but it gives an error. I'm guess I don't have the module file. |
| 02:46.37 | asuffield | it's a book, by diana wynne jones. the anime version kinda sucked |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | i'm not a big anime fan .. |
| 02:46.51 | Wyzard | asuffield: I haven't read the book, though I'd like to... but having seen the movie, I thought it was pretty good |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | i just get pissed when my robotech dies a horrible death |
| 02:46.58 | berky | augur:/usr# insmod toshiba |
| 02:46.58 | berky | insmod: can't read 'toshiba': No such file or directory |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 02:47.04 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 02:47.04 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 02:47.10 | andreasj | berky: Use modprobe, nor insmod |
| 02:47.19 | liable | berky: ok, then yeah, compile the kernel with support for it in. iirc, theres two different modules for it, or maybe that for hp? |
| 02:47.24 | berky | andreasj: Fricking duh. That worked! |
| 02:47.35 | goobit_ | abrotman, I was hoping someone would know in the channel-- apparently someone pooped at me for saying to use aptitude, the only thing I can think of is to make use of alias names and group names like that whatever x-window-crore-system etc.. |
| 02:47.42 | berky | andreasj: What's the difference between insmod and modprobe? |
| 02:47.43 | nvz | abrotman: I havent read the previews but from my take on that movie, it was the sequel to Willie Wonka.. he was the child that was to take over the factory.. the young boy Charlie I believe |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | goobit_: you really speak french .. right ? |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | nvz: you mean charlie and the glass elevator ? |
| 02:48.13 | berky | BRB, going to the other room to see if the fan is in fact on now. |
| 02:48.13 | andreasj | berky: Read what the dpkg bot wrote about insmod |
| 02:48.16 | goobit_ | so anyone can scare me with aptitude then say it.. wheretf can i list alias names or group names for package groups.. |
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| 02:48.28 | CabEspiral | hola gente |
| 02:48.28 | berky | andreasj: Thanks. :) |
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| 02:48.52 | mwilson | Did I read that right? Let's deliberately upload busted packages? |
| 02:48.55 | nvz | abrotman: Charlie and the chocolate factory.. I dont know what happens to the glass elevator. |
| 02:49.02 | mwilson | I have to have read that wrong. |
| 02:49.03 | abrotman | nvz: it's the other book |
| 02:49.04 | goobit_ | abrotman, its a law that any citizen in quebec, doing business and learning in pri-secondary school, must learn french.. |
| 02:49.05 | berky | andreasj, liable: YAY! My fan is on now! Thanks! |
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| 02:49.22 | abrotman | goobit_: your english sucks .. you're better at french right ? |
| 02:49.29 | liable | mwilson: udev? |
| 02:49.32 | nvz | abrotman: never heard of any books on the subject.. I thought we were talking about movies |
| 02:49.33 | goobit_ | abrotman, even on the internet..which at first english-only sites for businesses running in quebec got into legal problems.. |
| 02:49.38 | mwilson | liable: xorg |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | nvz: uhm .. let me find |
| 02:49.48 | nvz | abrotman: when I read, I read non-fiction :P |
| 02:49.50 | m13a8 | i got java-package to install now wut |
| 02:49.53 | liable | mwilson: is it actually in sid? |
| 02:49.58 | mwilson | liable: I couldn't care less about udev. |
| 02:50.01 | Wyzard | mwilson: xorg isn't busted for me... what are you reading? |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | nvz: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0141301120/qid=1121136596/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/102-9136190-8692137?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 02:50.11 | nvz | abrotman: last fiction book I read was Richard Preston's Cobra Event |
| 02:50.13 | goobit_ | abrotman, that's because i'm typing, but I gurgle burp, and fart in public which I occastionally do.. and hope you don't mind, do you? |
| 02:50.16 | mwilson | liable: Other than to make sure it never gets installed on any box I control. |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | *plonk* |
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| 02:50.51 | berky | andreasj, liable: Am I going to have to add a 'mobprobe toshiba' to a script to get Debian to load the module every boot? |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | mwilson: i think he was going to try to have htem coexist |
| 02:50.52 | mwilson | Wyzard: Not talking about whatever unofficial packages you're using, talking about this message to debian-x about the uipload to unstable. |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | nvz: i know ... |
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| 02:51.13 | andreasj | m13a8: fakeroot make-jpkg javaxyz.bin |
| 02:51.22 | m13a8 | ok |
| 02:51.23 | andreasj | berky: Add toshiba to /etc/modules |
| 02:51.24 | Wyzard | mwilson: Unofficial, but they're from the actual maintainer |
| 02:52.17 | mwilson | Message-id: <20050712010525.GA8941@squee.verizon.net> |
| 02:52.21 | berky | Hmmm. 'locate toshiba' does not produce anything that looks like the likely candidate for the module file. |
| 02:52.35 | berky | Oh, would it be toshiba.ko? |
| 02:52.42 | andreasj | berky: apt-get install anacron |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | mwilson: you can ask him when he's here |
| 02:53.00 | nvz | abrotman: I see.. I wasnt aware they had written 3 stories.. I had only seen the movie of the original story |
| 02:53.01 | andreasj | berky: Both should work, but probably your locate database is not up do date. |
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| 02:53.05 | mwilson | Yes, after all, the buildd's don't have anything better to do than fail an X build... |
| 02:53.07 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm not subscribed to the list, and the archive page doesn't seem to have updated yet |
| 02:53.21 | andreasj | berky: It your system is not up 24/7, install anacron to make sure the database is updates. |
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| 02:53.28 | abrotman | nvz: tv junkie |
| 02:53.32 | berky | andreasj: OK. |
| 02:53.41 | berky | andreasj: just running updatedb now for the fun of it. |
| 02:54.04 | nvz | abrotman: please. I don't watch tv unless I am all alone and in the middle of eating, and can't otherwise be outside doing something or sitting at the computer typing |
| 02:54.08 | berky | andreasj: The actual command to start the fan is "fan -n". That WILL need to go in a script, won't it? |
| 02:54.12 | andreasj | berky: You can also use find: find /lib/modules -name toshiba.ko |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | nvz: but you didn't know! |
| 02:54.28 | nvz | abrotman: thats usually about 5mintues or so of tv a month if I am lucky |
| 02:54.40 | nvz | abrotman: if I lived alone I wouldnt even have tv |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | nvz: wait .. there aren't three |
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| 02:55.00 | abrotman | nvz: what do you think is the third ? |
| 02:55.09 | nvz | abrotman: the one you mentioned |
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| 02:55.25 | abrotman | nvz: Willy Wonka/Charlie .. two books ..that's it |
| 02:55.28 | mwilson | <sigh> I *so* need to shoot rss2email |
| 02:55.44 | nvz | abrotman: there is the Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory, charlie and the chocolate factory, and charlie and the great glass elevator |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | no . there are only two |
| 02:56.03 | mwilson | The first two are the same. |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | two books anyways |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | berky: we have a bot for that |
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| 02:56.33 | abrotman | !smack berky |
| 02:56.35 | berky | andreasj: I really should not have assumed that /etc/modules was a directory... |
| 02:56.40 | nvz | "Picking right up where Charlie and the Chocolate Factory left off, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator continues the adventures of Charlie Bucket," |
| 02:56.45 | berky | andreasj: I have now clobbered that file. :( |
| 02:56.47 | jim | !smack apt |
| 02:57.06 | nvz | how is willy wonka and the chocolate factory and charlie and the chocolate factory the same? LO |
| 02:57.07 | andreasj | m13a8: After building the deb file, install it using dpkg -i. Next remove /usr/java, where you installed the JRE before. |
| 02:57.10 | jim | now that's what I call bot abuse :) |
| 02:57.40 | abrotman | !rootsmite berky |
| 02:57.46 | Guerin | Wyzard: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/07/msg00227.html |
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| 02:58.10 | berky | andreasj: I hate to be a pain, but any idea how I can recover from this? |
| 02:58.32 | nvz | don't forget to turn off cd/zip/net/usb booting and password his BIOS/CMOS setup or else taking his rootpw isnt going to do much |
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| 02:59.19 | cat | !tell jkwgerfr about root |
| 02:59.22 | andreasj | berky: That's what your backup is for |
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| 02:59.41 | berky | andreasj: I see. |
| 02:59.42 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, gravityboy did recently say that he's not "qualified" to be maintaining the xorg packages, but he's doing it because nobody else was |
| 02:59.46 | nvz | oh and I forgot about those square things they used to boot off of like back in the 80s |
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| 03:00.08 | Wyzard | mwilson: Someone needed to do it so he stepped in and did... I wouldn't hold a minor mistake against him |
| 03:00.11 | nvz | someone might still have one of those lying around |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | cat: they get told when apt says that |
| 03:00.20 | andreasj | berky: Anyway, there probably were not that many modules in /etc/modules that really needed to be loaded that way. For now, just add psmouse (if you use a ps/2 mouse or a touchpad) and toshiba. |
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| 03:00.44 | berky | andreasj: I also need madwifi in there somewhere. |
| 03:00.48 | cat | oh ok |
| 03:01.00 | andreasj | berky: Then add it. |
| 03:01.16 | liable | berky: hotplug will probably take care of that. |
| 03:01.33 | banedon | hey |
| 03:01.41 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'm not holding anything at all against him. |
| 03:01.42 | banedon | whats best way to learn routing |
| 03:01.49 | berky | liable: I'm kinda suspicious of hotplug. I don't understand it and I couldn't get the PCMCIA configuration to do what I wanted (load wpa_supplicant). |
| 03:01.50 | cat | banedon: getting into it |
| 03:01.52 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's merely an ovservation. |
| 03:01.52 | banedon | I am new to unix |
| 03:01.57 | cat | banedon: you mean linux |
| 03:01.59 | banedon | need to learn all for admin jobs |
| 03:02.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: Sounded more like criticism, but ok |
| 03:02.02 | banedon | linux |
| 03:02.06 | banedon | yeah |
| 03:02.14 | Wyzard | banedon: Get a good book on TCP/IP |
| 03:02.14 | banedon | got debian 3.1 on my pc now using gaim |
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| 03:02.31 | cat | banedon: go to www.linuxdoc.org and take it from there |
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| 03:02.45 | liable | berky: wpasupplicant is run from an init.d script. |
| 03:03.12 | banedon | heh |
| 03:03.16 | berky | liable: It can be yes. But the docs suggested that if you're using a PCMCIA card, you can integrate it into your PCMCIA config so it loads and stops as the card is inserted and removed. |
| 03:03.35 | berky | liable: I ended up tying it to the ath0 network interface instead, so bringing that up loads the supplicant. |
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| 03:03.49 | liable | berky: right. |
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| 03:04.22 | berky | andreasj: Well, I guess I'll restart the laptop and see if it comes up. :P |
| 03:04.24 | m13a8 | awesome thanks guys |
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| 03:06.20 | Profeta_away | hi! Someone have installed usb adsl modem on debian ? |
| 03:06.39 | cat | not me |
| 03:06.45 | Profeta_away | :\ |
| 03:06.46 | nvz | me either |
| 03:06.58 | Profeta_away | u guyz are very funny |
| 03:07.02 | nvz | Profeta_away: how about asking a specific question |
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| 03:07.09 | nvz | !good questions |
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| 03:07.18 | nvz | !smart questions |
| 03:07.18 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 03:07.27 | Profeta_away | ? |
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| 03:07.56 | Profeta_away | my debian didnt detect my adsl modem on usb port |
| 03:07.57 | Profeta_away | is that |
| 03:08.11 | initech | Profeta_away: no and I would not have a lot of hope that that would work, either |
| 03:08.22 | Profeta_away | humm |
| 03:09.03 | mwilson | Hm, new OpenCD is out. |
| 03:09.05 | Profeta | thats ok |
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| 03:09.43 | abrotman | mwilson: the devil's work! |
| 03:09.47 | initech | what are you showing up at church now? |
| 03:10.05 | mwilson | abrotman: It's sponsored by Canonical, but it's still not bad for all that. |
| 03:10.26 | abrotman | mwilson: i know .. i've recommended it to others |
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| 03:12.35 | JosephSpiros | so, I was running testing when woody was stable |
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| 03:12.44 | mwilson | abrotman: It's unfortunate that OOo performs so poorly on anything earlier than Win2k, though. |
| 03:12.50 | JosephSpiros | But I changed my sources.list to specify "sarge" rather than "testing" so that I would start tracking stable |
| 03:13.19 | JosephSpiros | But I prefer to stay with testing, I'm just waiting for it to settle down. With all of the packages being added to unstable after sarge was made stable, I figured testing would be a bit unstable itself |
| 03:13.26 | abrotman | mwilson: no . anything earlier than win2k performs poorly :) |
| 03:13.36 | JosephSpiros | So, have things calmed down enough for me to start tracking testing again? |
| 03:13.37 | JosephSpiros | :) |
| 03:13.58 | nvz | JosephSpiros: apt-get install apt-listbugs, and a bug report tool, get to know the bts |
| 03:14.00 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: depends who you ask |
| 03:14.01 | mwilson | JosephSpiros: If you have to ask, you shouldn't be tracking testing in the first place. |
| 03:14.04 | nvz | JosephSpiros: testing is always testing |
| 03:14.23 | initech | man all three answers in like 3 seconds |
| 03:14.40 | mwilson | abrotman: Well, are you offering to buy for me enough OS licenses to replace all these copies of 98 and Me we have running here? |
| 03:14.55 | nvz | of course your bugs have to be emailed to me first, cause i've had it up to my eyeballs with dumb bug reports |
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| 03:15.03 | JosephSpiros | mwilson: I do not understand what you mean |
| 03:15.25 | mwilson | JosephSpiros: Then you definately shouldn't be tracking testing. |
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | mwilson: no .. but god damn does winME suck |
| 03:15.33 | JosephSpiros | mwilson: perhaps you should explain |
| 03:15.42 | Guerin | win98 isn't so shit-hot either |
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| 03:15.53 | mwilson | Guerin: Perhaps, but it's what we have. |
| 03:15.54 | shivraj | how can I find out what /dev/ a usb device is on ? |
| 03:16.16 | nvz | winme is really bad, all the bugs of win98 and more |
| 03:16.30 | nvz | the memory leakage is just insane |
| 03:16.35 | Guerin | mwilson: oh, the one you have is always better than the one you don't |
| 03:16.37 | liable | shivraj: dmesg |
| 03:16.50 | Guerin | mwilson: but why not install something like ... say, debian? |
| 03:17.01 | mwilson | Yeah, if I can scrounge some money for licenses, I'll be backfilling machines to 98. |
| 03:17.06 | JosephSpiros | mwilson: it's not that I'm not aware that testing is always possibly volatile, I just figured I'd ask for people who may or may not have noticed things "settling down" |
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| 03:17.12 | Guerin | or do you not get paid enough for the pain and stress of that? |
| 03:17.13 | mwilson | Guerin: And what good would that do anyone? |
| 03:17.23 | nvz | bah who the hell pays for liscences ;) |
| 03:17.26 | Guerin | mwilson: openoffice would run at full speed |
| 03:17.44 | nvz | dont you know the only reason we buy linux hardware is so we can pirate ms windows? |
| 03:17.51 | nvz | or so thats what microsoft tells me |
| 03:17.51 | Guerin | nvz: lol |
| 03:17.55 | mwilson | Guerin: And all the software that's being used in the classrooms... I just toss that. |
| 03:18.09 | mwilson | Guerin: Advocates never think things through. No offense. |
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| 03:19.03 | Guerin | mwilson: it must have been clear to you that i didn't know your specific situation... the question was 'why not?' |
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| 03:19.19 | Guerin | which you've answered, in your own way |
| 03:19.20 | pumpitup | boo |
| 03:19.25 | ke6isf | shivraj: lsusb |
| 03:19.50 | XBM-X | 549 users on this chat room wow |
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| 03:20.02 | chealer | XBM-X: it's near an all-time low for me |
| 03:20.08 | nvz | XBM-X: and Piggy is watching j00 |
| 03:20.13 | cddesjar | hi...i have a quick question...i just upgrade to testing and now i can't eject a cdrom unless i switched to root user. could this have some how messed up my /etc/fstab file? |
| 03:20.22 | mwilson | nvz: We're already got a licensing problem... we started our software audit on Thursday and so far I've got three copies of XP and one XP Home I can't find licenses for. |
| 03:20.25 | nvz | yeah 549 isnt much.. |
| 03:20.31 | XBM-X | ooooo |
| 03:20.31 | ke6isf | XBM-X: Before Sunday's split storm, it was abouve 700. |
| 03:20.45 | XBM-X | wow |
| 03:20.58 | initech | mwilson: ? that's better than average. most people can't account for hundreds |
| 03:21.13 | mwilson | initech: Did I say I was done? |
| 03:21.22 | pumpitup | lots if idling maniaks in here |
| 03:21.42 | mwilson | initech: Right now we're just looking at operating systems. |
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| 03:22.15 | initech | mwilson: fuck keeping track of that shit :) |
| 03:22.17 | robbie | can i install debian from disk |
| 03:22.19 | Guerin | cddesjar: adduser yourusernamehere cdrom && newgrp cdrom? |
| 03:22.26 | initech | mwilson: what a nightmare |
| 03:22.36 | nvz | XBM-X: we seen 3001 users so far this month, some 6701 last month, and a total of 40695 last year.. according to piggy |
| 03:22.39 | mwilson | initech: <shrug> Hope you're never an administrator anywhere. |
| 03:22.54 | robbie | how to install debian from disk |
| 03:22.57 | ke6isf | Hmm, somebody needs to update !install. |
| 03:23.07 | initech | mwilson: no I just don't deal with that crap thank god |
| 03:23.12 | mwilson | Despite what OSS advocates would like you to believe, *all* licenses matter, not just the GPL. |
| 03:23.27 | Hostile | is there a command to delete all the downloaded .debs ? |
| 03:23.29 | rob_lt | fcking usb is so screwed on this machine. If my mouse isn't freezing, I've now got 2 lsusb processes that won't even respond to a kill -9 |
| 03:23.31 | chealer | I wouldn't want to use OOo on slow OS-es |
| 03:23.38 | shivraj | liable : dmesg doesnt say what /dev/ the usb is on |
| 03:23.42 | mwilson | Hostile: Is there a reason to delete them? No? I didn't think so. |
| 03:23.45 | Guerin | mwilson: s/OSS/anti-copyright/ |
| 03:23.49 | rob_lt | I wouldn't want to use OOo at all |
| 03:23.55 | Guerin | Hostile: man apt-get |
| 03:23.57 | Hostile | mwilson, yeah they take up space? |
| 03:23.57 | nvz | Hostile: man apt-get |
| 03:23.57 | mwilson | Guerin: No, I meant what I said. |
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| 03:24.01 | Hostile | k thanks |
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| 03:24.11 | Guerin | mwilson: but you were wrong, so I thought i'd correct you. |
| 03:24.21 | XBM-X | dude im on a big ass party omg its so cool all my friends drunk ooowwww |
| 03:24.22 | liable | shivraj: what are you mounting? |
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| 03:24.36 | mwilson | Guerin: I'm wrong? All licenses do not matter? |
| 03:24.50 | chealer | XBM-X: yay! bad context for joing #debian though |
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| 03:24.55 | cddesjar | Guerin: would that account for cds that need to be mounted? b/c when i don't mount a cd (i.e a DVD or music CD) then i have no problem eject it |
| 03:24.58 | nvz | Guerin: you're wrong in calling OSS people those who do not think they matter |
| 03:25.01 | nvz | mwilson: ^ |
| 03:25.06 | Guerin | mwilson: not at all - just that OSS advocates aren't the ones saying only gpl matters. |
| 03:25.25 | XBM-X | see ya omg this is so fun see ya |
| 03:25.27 | initech | who said only the GPL matters? no one |
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| 03:25.35 | mwilson | nvz: I said, and I meant: "OSS advocates". THe term "advocates" is a very, very, very dirty word. |
| 03:25.40 | ke6isf | robbie: It is indeed possible to install from a hard disk. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en for details. |
| 03:25.45 | toresbe | Hostile: apt-get clean |
| 03:25.51 | initech | corporate licensing nearly requires a legal team |
| 03:25.55 | rob_lt | cddesjar, make sure that no apps are using the CD while it's mounted, and your aren't inside one of the directories of the CD or you won't be able to unmount/eject it. |
| 03:25.58 | Hostile | toresbe, lol thanks I already read it in the man page...but thanks |
| 03:26.01 | Guerin | well, not in common usage it ain't, but i'll accept what you meant |
| 03:26.05 | toresbe | Hostile: no prob :) |
| 03:26.20 | mwilson | nvz: The set "OSS people" includes the subset "OSS advocates". The reverse is not true. |
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| 03:26.32 | Dumann | hello |
| 03:26.41 | Dumann | I would like to remove a user from my system |
| 03:26.41 | Hostile | wow, I used to think debian users were assholes...but im finding that you're very nice about saying RTFM |
| 03:26.44 | Guerin | cddesjar: yes. |
| 03:26.59 | Dumann | deluser --group sof1 |
| 03:27.00 | nvz | Hostile: he's not retarded, he's just a little slow.. its a result of playing bubnbros too many long hours |
| 03:27.02 | Guerin | cddesjar: if a cd is mounted, it can't be ejected until it's unmounted, so that may be the issue |
| 03:27.13 | Dumann | "/usr/sbin/deluser: There are users with `sof1' as their primary group!" |
| 03:27.18 | Hostile | nvz, who? toresbe ? |
| 03:27.24 | cddesjar | Guerin: i umounted my cd first |
| 03:27.27 | Dumann | "/usr/sbin/deluser: You may not remove the user from his/her primary group." |
| 03:27.31 | Guerin | cddesjar: hrm, interesting |
| 03:27.34 | Hostile | lol |
| 03:27.35 | Hostile | hmm |
| 03:27.38 | Dumann | How can i remove this group/user? i tried all i can |
| 03:27.40 | Hostile | I got my debian all how I like it |
| 03:27.42 | Hostile | now Im bored |
| 03:27.52 | Guerin | Hostile: install gentoo in a chroot |
| 03:27.53 | cddesjar | it's not a big deal...maybe just a bug in some testing software? |
| 03:27.58 | cddesjar | i'll figure it out |
| 03:28.03 | Hostile | lol nah |
| 03:28.05 | Guerin | then you'll be bored for WEEKS |
| 03:28.07 | toresbe | Hostile: install Gentoo, a system that constantly breaks! Keeps you entertained for hours! :P |
| 03:28.07 | mwilson | initech: Well, we have a mandate from the church trustees to be legal, so we have to make it legal. |
| 03:28.13 | toresbe | Guerin: oh. heh :P |
| 03:28.17 | Hostile | toresbe, yeah my brother uses gentoo |
| 03:28.23 | cddesjar | is gentoo bad? |
| 03:28.31 | toresbe | cddesjar: Hmm, well, it has its use |
| 03:28.31 | pureone | !greenhouse |
| 03:28.32 | Guerin | depends on your efinition of 'bad' |
| 03:28.32 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
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| 03:28.34 | Hostile | he accidently ran chmod -R 700 * in / |
| 03:28.36 | ke6isf | cddesjar: Depends. Like to tinker much? |
| 03:28.37 | cddesjar | i've heard gentoo pretty good |
| 03:28.40 | nvz | thats like injecting syphagonarherpaids into a tube you implanted into your arm. |
| 03:28.42 | Dumann | ... |
| 03:28.42 | cddesjar | a little not a ton |
| 03:28.43 | Guerin | it's a phenomenal waste of time |
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| 03:28.50 | cprogrammer521 | kkk, Hello everyone |
| 03:28.56 | mwilson | I pulled Office off several machines already. |
| 03:29.05 | weuhwef | I'm trying to get this java-package installed so I can install the JRE but it keeps telling me that the package doesn't exist |
| 03:29.09 | ke6isf | cddesjar: Then what Guerin said. |
| 03:29.10 | initech | it hurts too |
| 03:29.16 | mwilson | So it'd have been nice to replace it with OOo. |
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| 03:29.30 | Dumann | How do i remove a primary group (deluser) in debian ? |
| 03:29.35 | cddesjar | ke6isf: about the addusername username cdrom && cdrom grep? |
| 03:29.43 | toresbe | cddesjar: If you are on a machine where the compiler, libraries, etc change frequently... Like the sgimips, for example, then gentoo is excellent |
| 03:29.54 | toresbe | cddesjar: On i386 it's just a phenomenal waste of time |
| 03:30.01 | ke6isf | cddesjar: No, about Gentoo. Phenomenal waste of time. |
| 03:30.07 | pipeline | toresbe, cddesjar : Except that linux on sgimaps is a phenomenal waste of time no matter what. |
| 03:30.09 | cddesjar | torebse: i.e. waste of time for me |
| 03:30.09 | nvz | Dumann: whats wrong with using deluser? |
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| 03:30.29 | shivraj | liable a cell phone |
| 03:30.30 | pipeline | toresbe, cddesjar : Bad compiler, bad hardware support, no added software availibility over the native OS. |
| 03:30.35 | shivraj | liable motorola v220 |
| 03:30.47 | daedalus_ | Dumann: delgroup |
| 03:30.51 | Dumann | nvz: "/usr/sbin/deluser: There are users with `sof1' as their primary group!" |
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| 03:31.02 | Dumann | nvz: "/usr/sbin/deluser: You may not remove the user from his/her primary group." |
| 03:31.07 | liable | shivraj: oh, does dmesg say anything about it? Is it supported? |
| 03:31.40 | banedon | whats more advanced webmin or linuxconf? |
| 03:31.42 | Dumann | I can't figure out how to remove a user with his primary group |
| 03:31.54 | toresbe | pipeline: well, it's a fun hack |
| 03:32.14 | toresbe | pipeline: I can understand that instinct. |
| 03:32.27 | nvz | banedon: $SHELL |
| 03:32.31 | pipeline | toresbe: Even NetBSD is better on sgimips. At least then you have some binary compatibility to run apps. |
| 03:32.31 | Dumann | can anybody help me |
| 03:32.43 | daedalus_ | Dumann: thinking |
| 03:32.43 | pipeline | toresbe: And working PCI drivers :P |
| 03:32.57 | pipeline | toresbe: NetBSD arch-independent code really is. |
| 03:32.58 | nvz | banedon: real admins, don't let admins use linuxconf or webmin |
| 03:32.59 | Dumann | the group is called sof1 and the user too sof1 by accident :/ |
| 03:33.02 | Dumann | now i cant remove it anymore |
| 03:33.09 | pipeline | banedon: Friends don't let friends use webmin. |
| 03:33.11 | internat | edit the file manually? |
| 03:33.22 | daedalus_ | Dumann: deluser sof1 sof1 |
| 03:33.38 | Guerin | he's tried |
| 03:33.39 | internat | just edit /etc/passwd find the line with that user and delete it |
| 03:33.40 | Guerin | didn't work |
| 03:33.46 | Dumann | daeldalus_ : "/usr/sbin/deluser: You may not remove the user from his/her primary group." |
| 03:33.50 | internat | are u root? |
| 03:33.51 | Guerin | internat:that's unwise |
| 03:34.00 | daedalus_ | Dumann: deluser sof1 ? |
| 03:34.12 | Guerin | man deluser, see if there's a force |
| 03:34.35 | nvz | unwise in that context sounds like a sugar coated "fuckin stupid" heh |
| 03:34.45 | internat | why? |
| 03:34.51 | internat | incase u delete the wrong line or something? |
| 03:34.56 | Guerin | internat: deluser does more than ust edit /etc/passwd |
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| 03:35.02 | Guerin | internat: and that too |
| 03:35.14 | ke6isf | OK, so aside from the fact that it's a major pain in the ass , what's wrong with Webmin? |
| 03:35.29 | Guerin | webmin makes you stupid |
| 03:35.38 | internat | lol yeah webmin blows |
| 03:35.40 | ke6isf | Guerin: Ah. |
| 03:35.41 | nvz | ke6isf: its insecure, laziness in html form. |
| 03:35.44 | pipeline | ke6isf: The security is a joke. |
| 03:36.00 | pipeline | ke6isf: Also, you never know when a minor bug in webmin will result in a catastrophic misconfiguration of your server. And yes, it happens. |
| 03:36.00 | Guerin | it makes it very easy to mash your system with the click of a mouse |
| 03:36.10 | ke6isf | nvz pipeline: That's the part I was looking for, is security. |
| 03:36.10 | mwilson | gods, what kind of network is a /25 |
| 03:36.13 | toresbe | It's very insecure, but that's about it... If it weren't for that, it would be a very nice tool |
| 03:36.18 | Guerin | and your config files... kiss them bye-bye |
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| 03:36.23 | toresbe | mwilson: A so-called "subnet" |
| 03:36.26 | saabin | hello |
| 03:36.37 | cat | saabin: hello |
| 03:36.41 | toresbe | saabin: hello! |
| 03:36.46 | pipeline | toresbe, mwilson : Who the hell subnets anything any more? |
| 03:36.47 | Guerin | toresbe: no, it wouldn't be. It still makes you stupid, and prevents you from fixing your machine when it does break. |
| 03:36.48 | ke6isf | Hi, Saabin |
| 03:36.53 | mwilson | toresbe: x.x.5.0 - x.x.5.127 |
| 03:36.57 | mwilson | feh |
| 03:37.06 | nvz | seems to me like webmin is for imitating the bad behaviors of those embedded routers. |
| 03:37.08 | toresbe | Guerin: "makes you stupid"... |
| 03:37.11 | pipeline | toresbe, mwilson : I have honest to god never seen subnets in use on an IPv4 network. |
| 03:37.16 | saabin | hello even is today's date is " Tue Jul 05 " can I change the date of modified of the file two months back? How |
| 03:37.31 | toresbe | Guerin: obviously, you have problems grasping reality... People don't want to edit config files. Ever. |
| 03:37.35 | Guerin | toresbe: in the sense that it doesn't require you to learn how your system is actually set up, and therefore how to fix it when it breaks |
| 03:37.42 | toresbe | Guerin: Geeks and/or sysadmins do. |
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| 03:37.48 | dondelelcaro | saabin: man touch |
| 03:37.59 | Guerin | toresbe: what are non-admins doing running webmin anyway? |
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| 03:38.05 | toresbe | Guerin: Running LINUX |
| 03:38.08 | Guerin | toresbe: what would they need it for? |
| 03:38.16 | shivraj | anyone familiar with p2k ?? |
| 03:38.17 | toresbe | Guerin: Setting up some webserver, maybe learning PHP or something |
| 03:38.27 | initech | pipeline: WTF are you talking about |
| 03:38.34 | Guerin | LINUX doesn't need webmin... unless there's a webmin-kernel or something, god forbit |
| 03:38.38 | mwilson | You know, I can't claim to know anything about sniffing... but some of what I see on the gateway... brrr. |
| 03:38.44 | nvz | saabin: what planet are you on? |
| 03:38.45 | shivraj | p2ktest shows all the files on a cell phone which is a usb device I want to be able to mount the usb device and change the files |
| 03:38.47 | Guerin | toresbe: in which case they should learn how to adit config files |
| 03:38.59 | toresbe | Guerin: Oh, come the fuck on, you know what I mean... GNU/Linux and wtf ever. |
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| 03:39.05 | Guerin | toresbe: :P |
| 03:39.13 | Guerin | !rmssmite toresbe |
| 03:39.18 | toresbe | oh... that whole "humour" thing... right... ;) |
| 03:39.39 | initech | mwilson: don't be sniffing a church network ... unless you like child pr0n |
| 03:39.42 | mwilson | The machines I'd really like to be snooping are two switches away. |
| 03:39.47 | toresbe | initech: hahahah |
| 03:39.47 | Guerin | well... given the number of webmin-* modules, webmin-kernel isn't an impossibility |
| 03:40.06 | toresbe | Guerin: Skolelinux makes a system which uses webmin for configuration, I believe. |
| 03:40.20 | mwilson | I'm just ssh-ed into the gateway and watching what's headed in and out of the internet. |
| 03:40.22 | pipeline | initech: I have seriously never seen subnets used for anything. More often than not, I've seen people simply divvy up a private network into class C's and play games at the edge of the network. |
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| 03:40.38 | pipeline | initech: But I'm just a loud, egotistical undergrad. *shrug* |
| 03:40.44 | initech | pipeline: what are you talking about? everyone carves up their networks |
| 03:41.02 | nvz | switch which switch you need to scratch your itch of curiousity |
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| 03:41.11 | toresbe | Guerin: It's perfect for the job... No huge security demands... And the admins using it are used to a Windows point-and-grunt interface |
| 03:41.20 | Guerin | toresbe: why are they admins? |
| 03:41.24 | pipeline | initech: I mean, I don't think i've ever seen people using /25s or /17s or what-have-you, preferring to use human-readable IPs. |
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| 03:41.35 | mwilson | nvz: Well, none of our switches except the gateway one are managed. |
| 03:41.47 | toresbe | Guerin: they started out as the guys who handed out the floppies to the TIKI-100 school micros |
| 03:41.57 | Guerin | toresbe: heh. |
| 03:41.58 | toresbe | Guerin: Total cluebies, and arrogant fuckers at that. |
| 03:42.12 | Guerin | toresbe: what are they needing to administer? |
| 03:42.17 | mwilson | nvz: And that one is old, I'm not sure you can call it exactly "managed". |
| 03:42.23 | toresbe | Guerin: school networks. |
| 03:42.26 | Guerin | what i'm driving at is: what a wasted opportunity for learning. |
| 03:42.38 | toresbe | Guerin: Well, true. But they don't want to. |
| 03:42.51 | Guerin | whether they want to or not shouldn't come into it |
| 03:42.51 | toresbe | Guerin: If they want to, then they can. But it's sure hard to learn on a broken system. |
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| 03:43.00 | mwilson | I should just block that machine for a few moments and see if whoever's on it notices |
| 03:43.00 | toresbe | Guerin: uh... yes... it... should... |
| 03:43.01 | Dumann | I got proftpd, i checked the /etc/proftpd.conf, but i cant seem to figure out how to lock users in their home directory |
| 03:43.09 | Guerin | toresbe: why? are the volunteers? |
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| 03:43.18 | ekho | help me please.. |
| 03:43.31 | ke6isf | ekho: Are you dying? |
| 03:43.32 | toresbe | Guerin: No, but they're supposed to like this system more than the Windows networks we're competing against. |
| 03:43.36 | toresbe | Guerin: They do. |
| 03:43.42 | internat | Dumann, look up chroot |
| 03:43.44 | internat | err |
| 03:43.44 | Guerin | Dumann: install proftpd-doc and read |
| 03:43.45 | internat | umm |
| 03:43.49 | toresbe | ekho: sure, ask the question and we'll see :) |
| 03:43.50 | ekho | some one help me... |
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| 03:43.56 | Guerin | internat: if you don't know, don't guess. |
| 03:44.00 | Dumann | i am a noob, i dun even know how to install :/ |
| 03:44.03 | internat | default root |
| 03:44.10 | internat | in ur config file |
| 03:44.11 | Guerin | Dumann: man aptitude |
| 03:44.13 | internat | is defaultroot ~ |
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| 03:44.16 | ekho | this is 1st time i use Linux |
| 03:44.18 | ke6isf | ekho: Would help if you mentioned what you need help with. |
| 03:44.18 | Dumann | kk |
| 03:44.21 | Guerin | Dumann: hint: aptitude install packageyouwant |
| 03:44.41 | ekho | now i'm use Ubuntu |
| 03:44.45 | nvz | saabin: if you are from earth you need to date --set="+7 days", because you are about a week behind the rest of the planet |
| 03:44.48 | toresbe | Dumann: If you're having troubles installing... you might consider (thanks Guerin :P) Ubuntu or some other "newbie distro" |
| 03:44.57 | ke6isf | ekho: Join #ubuntu. |
| 03:45.00 | Dumann | yeh but i just wanna know how to lock em |
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| 03:45.10 | internat | defaultroot locks them |
| 03:45.11 | Guerin | toresbe: because ubuntu's package management is so much easier than debian's |
| 03:45.15 | Dumann | last time i found it in the conf, but i cant find it anymore (i guess its another version) |
| 03:45.16 | toresbe | ekho: Ubuntu is off topic here :) |
| 03:45.18 | toresbe | Guerin: yes. |
| 03:45.19 | reamtS_ | what package is 'lsmod' in? |
| 03:45.25 | Guerin | toresbe: no. |
| 03:45.30 | toresbe | ekho: Please join #ubuntu |
| 03:45.33 | ekho | i just want to see my Windows folder |
| 03:45.40 | ekho | how? |
| 03:45.44 | Guerin | Dumann: also: don't even think about allowing unix users to log into your ftp server without encrypted passwords |
| 03:45.54 | Guerin | ekho: which windows folder? |
| 03:45.55 | toresbe | ekho: Please join #ubuntu... #debian is something different. |
| 03:46.03 | ekho | i have open root terminal |
| 03:46.07 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:46.08 | Guerin | ubuntu |
| 03:46.13 | toresbe | Guerin: He probably wants to mount his Windows partition. |
| 03:46.17 | Guerin | initech: anonymous only |
| 03:46.22 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 03:46.22 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 03:46.23 | toresbe | ekho: Join #ubuntu and I will help you there. |
| 03:46.25 | Guerin | toresbe: probably. |
| 03:46.38 | ekho | OKE |
| 03:46.39 | liable | ekho: type in your irc client /j #ubuntu |
| 03:46.54 | Guerin | toresbe: in between that, how is ubuntu's package management easier to use then debian's |
| 03:46.57 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:47.01 | Guerin | i'm interested in this |
| 03:47.04 | toresbe | Guerin: The reason I say it's more simple is that it installs a sane base set |
| 03:47.16 | Guerin | toresbe: oh, like proftpd and proftpd-doc |
| 03:47.20 | Guerin | toresbe: riiiight |
| 03:47.34 | Guerin | man, i'm illiterate |
| 03:47.45 | Guerin | 'then' |
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| 03:47.51 | toresbe | Guerin: If you want to go above that, you have synaptic, which also is a hell of a lot easier than apt-get install |
| 03:48.02 | Guerin | toresbe: synaptic isn't in debian, after all |
| 03:48.06 | ekho | toresbe, now i have join at #ubuntu |
| 03:48.22 | mwilson | Hm, is there such a thing as RMON for Linux? |
| 03:48.24 | liable | ekho: so, ask in there.. |
| 03:49.09 | nvz | I'd like to setup another head tomorrow.. not sure how since I dont have any other video or wifi cards, and only one Ethernet port I am already using.. so that rules out synergy.. going to have to figure something out or stick to one head :P |
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| 03:49.52 | transgress | anyone here that might know why digikam won't detect my camera in debian, but it will in other distros? |
| 03:50.04 | transgress | and gnome-volume-manager detects it, but can't import anything from it |
| 03:50.17 | Guerin | transgress: got gphoto2 installed? |
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| 03:50.50 | pipeline | transgress: Have you tried using f-spot instead of digikam? |
| 03:50.54 | nvz | heh, I will have to remember that one |
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| 03:51.09 | nvz | that goes right up there with the Air Conditioners joke |
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| 03:51.27 | sanxiyn | !xorg |
| 03:51.27 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 03:51.43 | toresbe | 05:51 -!- Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 72326 secs |
| 03:51.45 | toresbe | O_0 |
| 03:51.47 | transgress | Guerin: yes i do, and it gives me the same crap. |
| 03:51.50 | sanxiyn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html |
| 03:51.52 | transgress | pipeline: nope |
| 03:51.54 | sanxiyn | Now uploaded. |
| 03:51.59 | toresbe | Guerin: not as standard, no |
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| 03:52.59 | transgress | pipeline: that isn't in apt huh? |
| 03:53.02 | nvz | I often wondered.. sometimes its possible for a webserver to see what the referring url is if you surfed in from a link.. is it possible for it to know where you are leaving to? |
| 03:53.17 | simonrvn | no. no provision for it |
| 03:53.24 | Hostile | hmm...ok Im trying to install gaim and im getting this The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:53.24 | Hostile | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.24 | Hostile | E: Broken packages |
| 03:53.24 | Hostile | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:53.32 | Hostile | oops sorry |
| 03:53.33 | simonrvn | wouldn't be able to, unless it was on the same server |
| 03:53.46 | simonrvn | @tell Hostile -about paste |
| 03:53.52 | simonrvn | @tell Hostile -about paster |
| 03:53.58 | SDFH_Linux | Hostile i have the same problem |
| 03:53.58 | internat | !tell Hostile about paste |
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| 03:54.10 | simonrvn | put it on hold |
| 03:54.17 | simonrvn | @tell Hostile -about hold |
| 03:54.21 | SDFH_Linux | i had to install kopete in the meantime |
| 03:54.45 | daedalus_ | simonrvn: Careful, you get the bot kicked |
| 03:54.50 | pipeline | transgress: It's not? It must only be in unstable. |
| 03:55.00 | Hostile | ok simonrvn so what do I put on hold? |
| 03:55.20 | sanxiyn | Hostile: libapsell16 |
| 03:55.22 | sanxiyn | 15 |
| 03:55.43 | sanxiyn | Hostile: Well, you are supposed to know how to handle these if you're using unstable. |
| 03:56.10 | Hostile | sanxiyn, sorry Im new to debian, but im learning |
| 03:56.14 | transgress | can one dist-upgrade to etchy w/o problems? |
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| 03:56.21 | sanxiyn | Hostile: Therefore, don't use unstable. |
| 03:56.24 | simonrvn | so you install unstable? .... |
| 03:56.26 | internat | theres a different between being new and usint unstable |
| 03:56.34 | internat | try stable for a while.. |
| 03:56.41 | D3v1L | somebody knows how to set up a pcmcia cdrom drive? im in trouble, if i plug the cdrom drive it is detected by the system but few seconds latter it freezes |
| 03:57.11 | Hostile | heh, I like unstable |
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| 03:57.21 | Guerin | !beer gravity-in-absentia |
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| 03:57.35 | Guerin | his xorg installs cleanly via dist-upgrade |
| 03:57.54 | Guerin | i'll get to see if it works later this afternoon |
| 03:58.01 | alele | hi folks, does anyone there put the laptop to hibernate? please, what do i need to do it too? |
| 03:58.13 | Hostile | sanxiyn, ok after putting that on hold what do I do? |
| 03:58.37 | sanxiyn | Hostile: Well, don't upgrade if APT wans to remove many packages. Don't. |
| 03:58.42 | sanxiyn | wants |
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| 03:59.08 | transgress | anyone... suggestions... is it a bad idea to dist-upgrade to etchy? |
| 03:59.13 | Hostile | yea but I can't install gaim because it wants libaspell15c2 |
| 03:59.31 | sanxiyn | transgress: From Sarge? Not a bad idea, IMO. |
| 03:59.34 | pipeline | alele: What laptop do you have? |
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| 03:59.46 | transgress | sanxiyn: i just change my sources right? |
| 03:59.52 | alele | pipeline, hp pavilion zd7058cl |
| 03:59.53 | sanxiyn | transgress: Yes. |
| 03:59.55 | pipeline | alele: If you have a pretty old laptop, it may be pretty easy to do it with APM. If you have a newer one, you'll probably have to start fooling with swsusp, and swsusp is hard to set up. |
| 03:59.58 | transgress | sanxiyn: thanks. |
| 04:00.03 | pipeline | alele: Yeah, you're probably going to have to fool with swsusp. |
| 04:00.08 | mdh | Hostile: welcome to running unstable. things break. if you con't fix them, don't run unstable. |
| 04:00.18 | pipeline | alele: Some key words to help you in your google searches are: ACPI, S4Bios, swsusp |
| 04:00.36 | sanxiyn | Hostile: Ah, you don't have gaim already. Install testing version. Or, if it's fresh install, reinstall with testing. |
| 04:00.39 | Hostile | mdh, ok but Im trying to learn how to fix them |
| 04:01.05 | Hostile | ok sanxiyn how do I go about installing a testing version? |
| 04:01.20 | mdh | Hostile: okay. unstable is transitioning to gcc 4.0, which breaks binary ABI compaibility. therefore a lot fo libraries have to be updated/rebuilt and applications using them also |
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| 04:01.53 | alele | pipeline, thank you |
| 04:02.17 | Hostile | mdh, I understand |
| 04:02.44 | transgress | so to upgrade just change every sarge to etchy and every stable to testing right? and it is etchy and not something like that right? |
| 04:02.47 | mdh | Hostile: packages like gaim are up-to-date, but there's some (like bluefish, drivel, and others) that aren't updated yet and cause the breakage. |
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| 04:03.02 | sanxiyn | transgress: It is "etch", not "etchy". |
| 04:03.09 | mdh | because they depend on the old aspell (in this case) which conflicts with the new one |
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| 04:03.12 | transgress | sanxiyn: ah thanks |
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| 04:03.50 | pipeline | alele: If you're lucky, you'll be able to either use APM (where the BIOS does everything and it "just works") or ACPI's "S4Bios" state (Where the BIOS does almost everything except trigger the suspend, and it "just works") |
| 04:03.50 | mdh | Hostile: so one way is to apt-get source them, fix the control file to rebuild against the new libraries |
| 04:04.27 | mdh | Hostile: another way is to simply wait until the package maintainers do this for you. sometimes this is next-day, sometimes its 3 months down the track ;) |
| 04:04.27 | Hostile | mdh, can you point me to a readme or something on this? |
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| 04:04.52 | mdh | Hostile: all the documentation on maintaining debian packages is on www.debian.org |
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| 04:05.08 | mdh | the new maintainers guide would be very helpful |
| 04:05.17 | mdh | !newmaint |
| 04:05.17 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 04:05.21 | Rangitoto | If I create documents and spreadsheets using Open Office running under linux, save them, via a network, to another computer running Windows and retrieve them using a Open Office on that computer, will there be any problems? |
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| 04:05.30 | Hostile | alright thank you mdh |
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| 04:06.01 | Dumann | why doesnt apt-get install mcedit work ? |
| 04:06.29 | mdh | Hostile: this is how people create backports - you take a known good sid package, fix dependencies etc. and rebuilt on sarge |
| 04:06.40 | sanxiyn | !info mcedit |
| 04:06.51 | sanxiyn | Dumann: Because, it doesn't exist. |
| 04:06.56 | sanxiyn | Dumann: apt-get install mc instead. |
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| 04:07.09 | Dumann | cool thnx man |
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| 04:07.20 | p8m | GCC 4 rocks, screw the ABI |
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| 04:07.46 | sanxiyn | Rangitoto: No, there should be no problem, except font metrics. |
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| 04:08.06 | sanxiyn | Rangitoto: Ensure both Linux and Windows machine have all fonts used in the document. |
| 04:08.34 | mdh | Guerin: which are the right ones to get? xorg or xorg-x11-1 ? the latter is newer... |
| 04:08.59 | sanxiyn | mdh: Binary package name is xserver-xorg |
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| 04:09.09 | Dumann | I just added DefaultRoot ~ to my proftpd.conf, but the users are not locked into their home directory :( |
| 04:09.15 | sanxiyn | !xorg |
| 04:09.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html |
| 04:09.21 | deadcat | xserver-xorg |
| 04:09.27 | deadcat | !xorg debs |
| 04:09.27 | dpkg | As per 2005-07-05's DWN, some pre-unstable debs are now at http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg/ (sarge backports at http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/) |
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| 04:09.33 | mdh | sanxiyn: I mean which archive... gravity has two of them as described above |
| 04:09.37 | deadcat | ^^ thats the one you want. x86 only though )= |
| 04:09.47 | deadcat | and no transset and xcompmgr yet. |
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| 04:10.06 | mdh | Oh bugger.. I have a sparc |
| 04:10.07 | Rangitoto | sanxiyn: Thanks. That solves a problem which I have and that is that the only printers which I can find to take 300 gsm card are made by Canon which is not reputed to handle linux well for current models. |
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| 04:10.25 | mdh | and not the kind of sparc you want to rebuild from source on :( |
| 04:10.34 | gp^ | !seen ash007 |
| 04:10.34 | dpkg | gp^: i haven't seen 'ash007' |
| 04:10.45 | pedro420 | Does anyone here know anything about apollon |
| 04:11.00 | alele | pipeline, i think that installing kernel-patch-suspend2 from experimental might be too risky, dont you? |
| 04:11.08 | sanxiyn | !info apollon |
| 04:11.10 | dpkg | apollon: (KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing system), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 465 kB, Installed size: 1432 kB |
| 04:11.11 | pipeline | alele: Yeah, a bit. |
| 04:11.22 | pipeline | alele: I take it you discovered that swsusp was your only option? |
| 04:11.57 | alele | pipeline, so far... |
| 04:12.04 | pedro420 | Why would it connect to openft and gnutella but not fasttrack ? |
| 04:12.32 | sanxiyn | pedro420: Because it's not a fasttrack client. |
| 04:12.46 | pedro420 | It usd to be |
| 04:12.57 | sanxiyn | Oh, sorry. |
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| 04:13.33 | sanxiyn | Because giFT daemon doesn't have FastTrack plugin, perhaps. |
| 04:14.05 | kreg | so long and thanks for all the fish... |
| 04:14.52 | Hostile | mdh, in this case I want to rebuild gaim right? |
| 04:14.56 | Penix | there's a fasttrack plugin for gift. it's obviously just not installed |
| 04:15.15 | Penix | !test |
| 04:15.15 | dpkg | Yes, penix, you're still online. |
| 04:16.23 | mdh | Hostile: no, gaim is built right afaict. its being held back by something else which isn't |
| 04:17.18 | myren | i'm having problems wiht my IDE subsystem; my drive wont engague DMA |
| 04:17.35 | myren | my poor laptop really really cant deal with life-sans-dma |
| 04:17.57 | Hostile | mdh, libaspell15ac2? if thats the case that conflicts with libaspell15 which tons of shit needs |
| 04:18.03 | mdh | Penix: there's not one packaged... there's an openft plugin though |
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| 04:18.13 | myren | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 04:18.20 | mdh | Hostile: the libaspell15c2 is the right lib |
| 04:18.36 | mdh | Hostile: its the new one created due to the ABI change |
| 04:18.51 | Hostile | ok but what about all the stuff that requires the old stuff? |
| 04:19.01 | mdh | Hostile: so verything linking against plain libaspell15 needs to be rebuilt |
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| 04:19.16 | d03boy | should I use dist-upgrade frequently? |
| 04:19.19 | sanxiyn | mdh: In the long term, yes, but... |
| 04:19.22 | d03boy | is that how I update all my packages? |
| 04:19.37 | sanxiyn | d03boy: Yes, if you can. (Broadband, etc.) |
| 04:19.46 | mdh | d03boy: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 04:19.46 | d03boy | sweet |
| 04:19.50 | Hostile | mdh, ok...well Im only going to rebuild the ones that I need ;) |
| 04:20.03 | mdh | Hostile: oh, of course. |
| 04:20.13 | dut | Hello all! It's possible to disable antialiasing in all GTK applications? |
| 04:20.19 | mdh | I didn't mean to imply you have to rebuild literally everything |
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| 04:20.42 | sanxiyn | dut: man fonts.conf |
| 04:20.46 | Hostile | mdh, well Im saying tons of stuff is requiring that old libaspell...ill wait for the debian people to update the other ones |
| 04:20.57 | myren | blarg, fix my fucking dma. *tear* |
| 04:20.59 | JosephSpiros | There was a piece of software I used once, it was in main, I believe |
| 04:21.08 | JosephSpiros | That would use dpkg and find all files on the system not owned by a package |
| 04:21.10 | myren | my web browser is moving too slow to let me debug |
| 04:21.17 | JosephSpiros | However I've forgotten what it was called |
| 04:21.18 | sanxiyn | JosephSpiros: cruft |
| 04:21.21 | liable | JosephSpiros: deborphan |
| 04:21.27 | JosephSpiros | cruft, thank you sanxiyn |
| 04:21.28 | keir | has anyone had problems with their wacom tablets lately on sid? I just reinstalled sid, and the exact XF86Config that worked a couple months ago doesn't now. |
| 04:21.36 | JosephSpiros | liable: cruft was it, though deborphan is useful :) |
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| 04:22.01 | sanxiyn | keir: Yes, there was a problem. |
| 04:22.04 | d03boy | apt-get upgrade took only about 2 minutes... is that all I gotta do? |
| 04:22.09 | keir | it appears the kernel has no problem seeing the tablet, X even says it sees it in the logs, but there is no response. (but the tablet's not broken-- data is showing up in wacdump) |
| 04:22.16 | keir | sanxiyn, aaah, ok so i'm not crazy |
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| 04:22.26 | stew | d03boy: do you understand the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 04:22.32 | keir | sanxiyn, i just apt-get upgraded, know if this is fixed now? |
| 04:22.41 | d03boy | stew, not really... dist-upgrade will upgrade the kernel maybe? |
| 04:22.43 | sanxiyn | keir: udev? |
| 04:22.51 | keir | sanxiyn, yes, i'm on udev. |
| 04:23.05 | keir | sanxiyn, and 2.6.12.2 |
| 04:23.12 | stew | d03boy: dist-upgrade is willing to remove packages or install new packages, upgrade is only willing to upgrade already installed packages |
| 04:23.16 | sanxiyn | keir: I heard that you may need udev rule for wacom tablet on this channel. I don't know the detail. |
| 04:23.25 | Hostile | hmm, mdh if Im rebuilding amarok to use the new libaspell...do I have to uninstall the old one and install the new one? |
| 04:23.34 | cat | !udev |
| 04:23.35 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 04:23.46 | michal__ | what would be the correct way to use updaterc.d to remove all hwclock related init scripts from the boot/shutdown process? |
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| 04:23.49 | mdh | Hostile: after you've rebuilt it, yes |
| 04:23.50 | sanxiyn | IIRC it was sciboy. |
| 04:23.56 | d03boy | stew, ok... so... do you recommend I dist-upgrade? or would that install every pacakge available or somethinG? |
| 04:24.08 | Hostile | mdh, but to build amarok to use the new libaspell dont I have to have it installed? |
| 04:24.08 | michal__ | there are hwclock.sh and hwclockfirst.sh scripts in there |
| 04:24.21 | sanxiyn | d03boy: Install every package available? Is that possible? :( |
| 04:24.34 | d03boy | no |
| 04:24.48 | michal__ | I'm not even sure it's possible as there are no symlinks |
| 04:24.49 | keir | awesome, dist-upgrade uninstalled gaim! |
| 04:24.53 | stew | d03boy: i'm not recommending anything, i have no idea what you are up to. just trying to help you understand |
| 04:25.06 | Hostile | keir, yes am thats what im tryin to fix...and its a pain in the ass ;) |
| 04:25.06 | mdh | Hostile: nope |
| 04:25.11 | d03boy | stew, well when would dist-upgrade uninstall a program? |
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| 04:25.15 | Hostile | mdh, alright cool |
| 04:25.29 | keir | Hostile, heh, no worries, i'm patient. we all know running sid comes with its risks |
| 04:25.31 | liable | d03boy: due to dependencies. |
| 04:25.36 | stew | d03boy: when its being replaced by another |
| 04:25.45 | d03boy | ok |
| 04:25.53 | michal__ | anyone? or do i just rm /etc/init.d/hwclock* ? |
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| 04:26.08 | d03boy | well then I dont really see anything wrong with dist-upgrade? |
| 04:26.22 | dut_ | Hello all! It's possible to disable antialiasing in all GTK applications? |
| 04:26.22 | liable | michal__: read the man page for updat-rc.d, though if there are no symlinks... |
| 04:26.43 | d03boy | dut, someone told you to man fonts.conof |
| 04:26.46 | d03boy | *fonts.conf |
| 04:26.50 | MrKeuner | hi, all the entries in the debian menu have their duplicates. Is there a way to fix that? gnome2.10... |
| 04:26.52 | michal__ | liable: there don't seem to be any.. so i don't know if update-rc.d has any place in this |
| 04:26.54 | dut_ | d03boy: oh, thanks! |
| 04:27.06 | liable | michal__: well, does it run at boot? |
| 04:27.30 | michal__ | liable: yes |
| 04:27.36 | michal__ | liable: and at shutdown |
| 04:27.44 | liable | michal__: then there must be symlinks.. |
| 04:27.51 | myren | god damn firefox sucks |
| 04:28.02 | michal__ | liable: there aren't// you can easily chck on your system |
| 04:28.03 | myren | sure my DMA is dead, but its almost completely unusable |
| 04:28.03 | liable | michal__: so, therefore update-rc.d. |
| 04:28.07 | myren | any text entry is completely borked |
| 04:28.08 | Hostile | mdh, amarok would be a multiple binary right? |
| 04:28.11 | sanxiyn | Is it only me, or other people also experience that Firefox routinely crashes? |
| 04:28.15 | keir | is there a way to search for any active bugs in the debian bts that contain 'wacom'? |
| 04:28.23 | d03boy | sanxiyn, when it involves plugins |
| 04:28.26 | mdh | sanxiyn: just you. and maybe myren |
| 04:28.52 | mdh | Hostile: yeah, the source creates a bunch of packages |
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| 04:29.04 | liable | michal__: hmm, seem to be some in rcS.. |
| 04:29.08 | myren | fuck it, opera is going to take 10 minutes to start without DMA, but at least it will run after it starts |
| 04:29.10 | Hostile | mdh, ok thought so :) |
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| 04:29.31 | mdh | Hostile: you can see the extra entries in the debian/control file... |
| 04:29.43 | Hostile | Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2. |
| 04:29.47 | Hostile | I got that error |
| 04:29.48 | sanxiyn | d03boy: It crashes, for example, while browsing dwww. |
| 04:29.53 | mdh | myren: upgrade from a 386 then |
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| 04:30.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? |
| 04:30.11 | michal__ | liable: doh.. i was looking in the wrong place for the symlinks :/ |
| 04:30.25 | sanxiyn | I can't reliably reproduce crashes, but it happens 3-4 time a day. |
| 04:30.44 | michal__ | liable: is it just as valid to delete all the sysmlinks rather than using update-rc.d ? |
| 04:30.47 | teufel | I'm having some problems with apache. I changed the document root and that works fine but any files in a further directory from it don't show up on the server. |
| 04:30.52 | liable | sanxiyn: multiple tabs? |
| 04:30.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: going to go donate blood tommorow... with one of my friends and akash... probably around 1:30 pm... dont be late or I will have to kill you. |
| 04:31.01 | sanxiyn | liable: Yes. >5 ~10. |
| 04:31.05 | ekho | whats up |
| 04:31.06 | liable | michal__: you can if you want. yes. |
| 04:31.15 | myren | mdh: dma is broken on my hard drive |
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| 04:31.21 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up g |
| 04:31.23 | liable | sanxiyn: yeah, seems to freeze on me with to many open. |
| 04:31.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: lets go donate blood.. |
| 04:31.35 | myren | ALI15X3: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0 |
| 04:31.36 | sanxiyn | liable: Not freeze. It just dies. |
| 04:31.37 | liable | wtf |
| 04:31.38 | Wyzard | michal__: It's valid for you at your keyboard, but not for scripts |
| 04:31.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: there are things i dont do. giving blood aint one of them (= |
| 04:31.50 | sanxiyn | I believe, it didn't about a month ago. |
| 04:31.54 | liable | sanxiyn: oh, never actually crashes on me. |
| 04:31.54 | myren | no dma + 800 mhz computer + 256 mb ram == absolute fucking death |
| 04:31.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ? So you DO give blood? |
| 04:32.03 | mdh | myren: on a single-user system dma isn't going to speed up much |
| 04:32.07 | Hostile | mdh, Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2. |
| 04:32.07 | Wyzard | michal__: because there are schemes available (such as file-rc) which don't use symlinks |
| 04:32.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hell no (= |
| 04:32.23 | liable | TwistedEmotions: need some money, or free beer? :P |
| 04:32.26 | michal__ | Wyzard, fair enough. |
| 04:32.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: cmon... your saving someones life.. |
| 04:32.36 | mdh | it only really helps with multiple ops or if you're also running something extremely cpu-bound |
| 04:32.47 | TwistedEmotions | liable: hahhahha... neither... need the ego boost. |
| 04:32.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: when was the last time someone save my ass? |
| 04:32.53 | mdh | Hostile: so install it |
| 04:32.55 | michal__ | hmm.. doesn't find list symbolic links? |
| 04:32.57 | stew | wow, xorg got uploaded to sid |
| 04:32.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: when I fixed your computer.. |
| 04:33.05 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 04:33.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: and someone will if you even need it ;) |
| 04:33.11 | Hostile | mdh, install what? |
| 04:33.11 | deadcat | stew: really? nice. |
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| 04:33.18 | stew | deadcat: its in incoming now |
| 04:33.21 | mdh | Hostile: there's an apt-get command to install all the build dependencies for a package |
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| 04:33.24 | stew | go gravity! |
| 04:33.36 | myren | mdh: this system swaps a lot. i normally run 2% cpu usage idling. now i run 60% cpu usage idling. |
| 04:33.36 | Hostile | mdh, you happen to know what it is? |
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| 04:33.51 | SuperPhly | I'm looking for a debian swirl logo vinyl sticker... anyone know where I could get that as well as a few other bumper stickers? Im looking for small 2-3" ones |
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| 04:33.54 | sanxiyn | Hostile: apt-get build-dep <whatever package you're going to build> |
| 04:33.59 | myren | it wouldnt be a problem but i've only got 256 megs of ram and a crusoe processor |
| 04:34.03 | mdh | Hostile: man apt-get |
| 04:34.07 | michal__ | anyone understand how to make find list symbolic links? |
| 04:34.14 | michal__ | i don't understand the man page |
| 04:34.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: damn you... you aint got shit better to go.. going with a few friends... akash doesnt want to do it either... dont be a pussy.. your helping someone.. plus free cookies. |
| 04:34.18 | deadcat | stew: cool. i will remove deb http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg ./ in few days then |
| 04:34.20 | mdh | myren: nasty :( |
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| 04:34.42 | mdh | myren: I have a p2-333 w/256 at home, it hardly swaps |
| 04:34.52 | michal__ | never mind.. i found a working alternative.. find /etc/rc* |grep hwclock |
| 04:34.54 | teufel | I'm having some problems with apache. I changed the document root and that works fine but any files in a further directory from it don't show up on the server. |
| 04:34.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it hurts man. although its a good idea since you can get yourself tested right? (= |
| 04:35.11 | paster | "Hostile" at 204.118.184.143 pasted "apt-get build-dep error" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/338 |
| 04:35.14 | deadcat | ^^ thats the only reason if i want to donate |
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| 04:35.25 | mdh | myren: its just slow because it is.. also its running a default ubuntu install and so has all of gnome :( |
| 04:35.29 | liable | deadcat: sleeping with people of questionable pedigree? |
| 04:35.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... hahaha... |
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| 04:35.39 | deadcat | liable: no. but just incase (= |
| 04:35.53 | deadcat | liable: since i dont have insurance, thats a cheap way to get tested. |
| 04:36.05 | deadcat | liable: AND you help save a life hahahah |
| 04:36.13 | liable | deadcat: hah, of course :P |
| 04:36.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: do it for the free cookies... or the free test. Either way do it.. it's not bad and it doesnt hurt.. |
| 04:36.31 | EruditeHermit | hey, I have a problem, I get dpkg: error processing bootsplash (--configure): |
| 04:36.33 | EruditeHermit | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.40 | EruditeHermit | I can't remove the package, and I can't install it |
| 04:36.52 | EruditeHermit | can anyone help? |
| 04:37.10 | stew | EruditeHermit: fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.postinst |
| 04:37.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. it scared the shit out of me.. i am not kidding. |
| 04:37.39 | EruditeHermit | stew: how? |
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| 04:38.22 | stew | EruditeHermit: no idea, you get to figure that out or you get to bug the package maintainer |
| 04:38.36 | stew | EruditeHermit: i'd say check the bts but that isn't a debian package |
| 04:38.55 | theUg | ? |
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| 04:39.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: do it.. be a big boy... ill be there and hold your hand |
| 04:39.21 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. i have class at 1pm |
| 04:40.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Im cutting... taking a quiz then leaving |
| 04:40.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: not that major if you miss one day |
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| 04:41.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. tomorrow my coach is setting up a time on wed 12pm to talk with his brother about doing their website for them.. get paid (= |
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| 04:41.44 | litage | any suggestions for project-timeline software? |
| 04:41.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ;) alright alright.. |
| 04:41.58 | liable | donate blood, then you get pissed for less money. Less blood = higher alccohol concentration :) |
| 04:42.01 | sanxiyn | litage: Imendio Planner |
| 04:42.02 | OldakQuill | Hey. How do I make my computer synchronise its time with a webserver? |
| 04:42.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: just want people to donate.. it's a good thing to do.. |
| 04:42.15 | OldakQuill | To ensure it is correct/accurate |
| 04:42.27 | teufel | I'm having some problems with apache. I changed the document root and that works fine but any files in a further directory from it don't show up on the server. |
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| 04:42.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i know its a good thing. the thought of someone sucking blood off me makes me faint. |
| 04:43.14 | sanxiyn | OldakQuill: NTP |
| 04:43.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahhaha I WILL SUCK YOUR BLOOD |
| 04:43.26 | litage | thanks sanxiyn |
| 04:43.57 | grendal_prime | hey who is good with parsing? |
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| 04:44.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. and i dont like needle |
| 04:44.24 | sanxiyn | grendal_prime: Not really #debian topic. |
| 04:44.28 | grendal_prime | i need to parse some data from an html page..its actually quite simple i think..but im just no good at string stuff |
| 04:44.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/20050709.basestation.hack/ gonna sell this for $70.. its a ripoff hahahhaa shhhhh |
| 04:44.35 | grendal_prime | ya i know i figerd id ask here first though |
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| 04:44.54 | sanxiyn | grendal_prime: You can use regex, or use some sensible screen-scraping library. |
| 04:45.23 | grendal_prime | there are like 5 things i need to get off this page |
| 04:45.39 | dli | server irc.mozilla.org |
| 04:46.36 | deadcat | stew: incoming goes to sid in few hours ya? |
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| 04:46.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahah your going to hell |
| 04:47.03 | sanxiyn | deadcat: Yes. |
| 04:47.11 | deadcat | sanxiyn: i dont see ppc )= |
| 04:47.18 | sanxiyn | deadcat: Not yet built. |
| 04:47.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. feel sorry for whoever is buying it. |
| 04:47.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahah ;) good deal... all good. |
| 04:48.02 | litage | where should one install OOo? |
| 04:48.06 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i am expecting to make $70-$35 and an airport card. |
| 04:48.22 | sethw | litage: on a computer |
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| 04:48.40 | litage | sethw: where in the fs? |
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| 04:48.56 | sethw | litage: define fs |
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| 04:49.03 | litage | filesystem |
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| 04:49.16 | Marble2 | what do I need to intall to be able to play a .mkv (matroska video file) in totem-xine? |
| 04:49.22 | sanxiyn | litage: Whereever you want, basically. |
| 04:49.29 | sanxiyn | litage: Or, whereever Debian package installs. |
| 04:49.33 | sethw | litage: why not just use apt? |
| 04:49.57 | sanxiyn | OOo is relocatable. (Or supposed to be, anyway) |
| 04:50.18 | sethw | sanxiyn: like firefox? |
| 04:50.26 | sanxiyn | sethw: Perhaps. |
| 04:50.30 | mdh | litage: the FHS would probably mandate something like /opt or /usr/local |
| 04:50.46 | sanxiyn | litage: You installing OOo 2 beta from openoffice.org? |
| 04:50.59 | liable | litage: are you compiling it? |
| 04:51.07 | litage | sethw: i'd use what apt has, but sarge only has 1.1.3, and 1.1.4 has a lot of new features |
| 04:51.14 | litage | liable: nope |
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| 04:51.24 | sethw | litage: go unstable, it has 1.1.4 |
| 04:51.36 | rixth | I have such bad luck with computers. 2nd harddrive that's failed on me within a month and a half. |
| 04:51.40 | sethw | litage: or backports.org |
| 04:51.44 | deadcat | stew: xorg IS in sid already (= |
| 04:51.57 | rixth | ata1 (DriveSeek error) **** ata1(Unrecoverable Error) |
| 04:51.59 | sanxiyn | deadcat: It's in incoming... |
| 04:52.01 | sethw | rixth: have you considered a heat or voltage problem? |
| 04:52.19 | deadcat | sanxiyn: i have it in apt-cache search |
| 04:52.26 | sanxiyn | Oh, good for you. |
| 04:53.14 | rixth | sethw, It was a SATA drive. The tempature was always around 26 degrees celcius, I can't say anything abou voltage. |
| 04:53.16 | deadcat | but no transset and xcompmgr though |
| 04:53.17 | mdh | deadcat: you got the xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk package? |
| 04:53.25 | rixth | It was always inside the case, screwed in tightly |
| 04:53.29 | sethw | litage: if you don't want to go all unstable, you could use apt-pinning to just get OOo |
| 04:53.29 | deadcat | mdh: no. no more trunk for me |
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| 04:53.48 | Dumann | i chowned the user but i still get not write to the ftp.... |
| 04:53.50 | Atula | !help |
| 04:54.02 | litage | sethw: apt-pinning? |
| 04:54.29 | deadcat | Atula: dont panic! |
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| 04:54.33 | sethw | litage: google "apt-pinning" |
| 04:54.33 | Atula | no no |
| 04:54.56 | Atula | deadcat: I should be, I have to do my paper.... but I'm here.... just listening to learn more about debian |
| 04:55.03 | Atula | or linux for that matter |
| 04:55.03 | Atula | haha |
| 04:55.20 | litage | thanks |
| 04:55.27 | Atula | I don't know.... recently I've been addicted to linux. I have a Fedora Core 4 machine and a Debian box.... |
| 04:55.27 | Hostile | mdh, ok I fixed the problem for now by just going to an older gaim pkg |
| 04:55.34 | deadcat | Atula: then its your problem dont know how to manage time |
| 04:55.37 | Atula | yum and apt-get make things to easy |
| 04:55.41 | deadcat | Atula: stop bitching,,,, bitch |
| 04:55.44 | mdh | Hostile: you can set packages on hold too |
| 04:55.50 | Atula | fine fine fine |
| 04:55.56 | Hostile | mdh, yeah I should probably set gaim on hold? |
| 04:56.12 | mdh | Hostile: if that's the way you want to go, yes |
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| 04:56.15 | Atula | deadcat: how come you can be on all the time |
| 04:56.27 | Atula | man everytime I'm here... you're pretty much around |
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| 04:56.42 | mdh | Atula: m-x doctor |
| 04:56.58 | deadcat | Atula: screen mother fucker! (= |
| 04:57.01 | ke6isf | Atula: He's stalking you! |
| 04:57.01 | Atula | here's a question that someone asked me today: how do opensource people make money? say... Debian... OpenOffice.org |
| 04:57.04 | Hostile | mdh, now in the meantime...im waiting for all those amarok pkgs and stuff to have new versions supporting libaspell15c2 ? |
| 04:57.19 | mdh | Hostile: yep |
| 04:57.24 | sethw | Atula: custom code |
| 04:57.26 | Atula | can someone do my incomplete art history paper? |
| 04:57.28 | Atula | I need help |
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| 04:57.38 | Atula | hah!' |
| 04:57.39 | ke6isf | Atula: Selling support. MySQL does exactly this. |
| 04:57.44 | sethw | Atula: do your own work or quit school |
| 04:57.47 | deadcat | Atula: by selling drugs to school kids |
| 04:57.50 | Atula | haha |
| 04:57.51 | Hostile | mdh, now when those get updated Im going to have to move to libaspell15c2 right? |
| 04:57.52 | Atula | that works |
| 04:58.04 | mdh | Atula: don't confuse open source and public domain software. |
| 04:58.17 | mdh | Atula: "free" in the open source sense has nothing to do with money |
| 04:58.19 | Atula | this week, I'm suppose to be securing samba at work |
| 04:58.31 | sethw | open source != public domain != libre |
| 04:58.32 | mdh | Hostile: yep |
| 04:58.48 | Atula | I should read more into it.... |
| 04:59.11 | mdh | http://www.opensource.org/ |
| 04:59.15 | sethw | atule: debian stable samba is pretty secure out of the box |
| 04:59.33 | jbmigel | I login to my server via XDMCP to get gnome, however I would like to run Azureus full time without having the xnest session open on my workstation. Is this possible or do I have to use VNC to run while not logged in? |
| 04:59.37 | Hostile | mdh, ugh ;) |
| 04:59.59 | sethw | mdh: fsf.org |
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| 05:00.37 | Mestapheles | hey all, anyone know where an external firewire mounts to in the fs? I don't see anything in /mnt |
| 05:00.38 | mdh | Hostile: a nice way to get around this is to run stable on the machine, and have sid available in a chroot. so you can fiddle around & stuff while not compromising the machine itself |
| 05:00.39 | Atula | oy.... my brother his having a conversation on his fone with the trouble girlfiend.... we bunk together.... maybe I should leave.... |
| 05:00.49 | Atula | I guess I will be back and kill time later.... |
| 05:00.57 | Atula | :/ |
| 05:01.09 | mdh | Hostile: pbuilder does this (check it out, you might like to use it) |
| 05:01.10 | Atula | testicles.... that is all. |
| 05:01.25 | sethw | mdh: chroot versus apt-pinning |
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| 05:01.33 | mdh | Atula: you bunk with your bro's gf? |
| 05:01.50 | Atula | A testis, especially one contained within a scrotum. |
| 05:02.30 | daedalus_ | Anyone know what debian package tc is in? |
| 05:02.38 | mdh | sethw: you can run stuff from within the chroot without compromising the machine. |
| 05:02.39 | daedalus_ | I did a /msg dpkg find tc |
| 05:03.07 | Mestapheles | Atula, why are you leaving? is the conversation getting heated? |
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| 05:03.40 | sethw | mdh: so it's like a virtual machine? |
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| 05:04.08 | MrKeuner | hi, all the entries in the debian menu have their duplicates. Is there a way to fix that? gnome2.10... |
| 05:04.19 | mdh | sethw: yes. without the performance hit of emulation |
| 05:04.30 | mdh | daedalus_: iproute |
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| 05:04.40 | sethw | Mestapheles : have you checked dev? |
| 05:04.44 | daedalus_ | mdh: thanks |
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| 05:05.29 | naoliv | Should I do a new package revision just to update the standards version from 3.6.1 to 3.6.2? |
| 05:05.40 | daedalus_ | mdh: Was there a method to find that out, or did you just know off the top of your head? |
| 05:05.44 | sethw | mdh: thanks |
| 05:05.50 | baroni | Hi all . I need to create a .iso image with files that has more than 60 characteres in its name. is that possible? |
| 05:05.55 | mdh | daedalus_: dpkg -S `which tc` |
| 05:06.05 | Mestapheles | seth: I just scowered the net and reading on how to ject ipods, I found out I can make it eject with "eject /dev/scd0', so yes scd0 is in /dev |
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| 05:06.35 | Mestapheles | my interest is in umounting before ejecting |
| 05:06.36 | sethw | Mestapheles I made my own mountpoint |
| 05:06.49 | Mestapheles | how? |
| 05:07.00 | baroni | mkiso manual says that '-iso-level 3' has no restrictions about the length of the names, but i never tested. someone? |
| 05:07.00 | mdh | daedalus_: it took me that long to respond as I was waiting for it to finish ;) |
| 05:07.01 | sethw | Mestapheles edit /etc/fstab |
| 05:07.14 | daedalus_ | mdh: Heh |
| 05:07.32 | mdh | for some reason doing any operation on the debian package database on this machine takes ages |
| 05:07.35 | Hostile | mdh, how do I take my system down to stable? |
| 05:07.36 | Wyzard | naoliv: No, wait until you have some other update to upload at the same time |
| 05:07.52 | mdh | Hostile: downgrading isn't supported :/ |
| 05:07.54 | naoliv | Wyzard: Thank you! |
| 05:07.57 | Wyzard | naoliv: Don't do an upload for a trivial change like that |
| 05:08.05 | naoliv | Wyzard: OK |
| 05:08.12 | Hostile | mdh, lol then I will stay unstable ;) |
| 05:08.15 | Mestapheles | can I just 'rmmod sbp2' then 'umount /dev/scd0', before "eject /dev/scd0" ? |
| 05:08.27 | sethw | Hostile: it's a royal pain, best to backup /etc & /home & /var, reinstall, and restore |
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| 05:08.41 | sethw | Mestapheles exactly right |
| 05:08.51 | mdh | Hostile: you can simply take unstable out of the packages list, apt-get update, then apt-get install foo=stable.ver for everything ;) |
| 05:08.55 | sethw | Mestapheles actually, umount first |
| 05:08.55 | Wyzard | Hostile: or just change your sources to testing and wait for testing to "catch up" to where unstable is now |
| 05:09.37 | mdh | Hostile: but then you also have to deal with changes in the applications themselves, etc if gaim in unstable changed config file format/options then going back to the stable version will bust your config |
| 05:09.42 | sethw | mdh: you must be joking; packages wont downgrade |
| 05:09.58 | sethw | mdh: nevermind, just read your next comment |
| 05:10.40 | Hostile | hmm...idk being not very experienced with debian like me I think using unstable is a waste isnt it? |
| 05:10.45 | litage | if you use OOo's installer, how do you uninstall OOo? |
| 05:10.47 | Mestapheles | doing it your way is easier I think. Once set up, all I would have to do is "umount /dev/scd0" then "eject /dev/scd0" |
| 05:10.54 | Wyzard | Hostile: It's meant for developers and testers |
| 05:11.11 | Wyzard | Hostile: not general use |
| 05:11.22 | sethw | Hostile: unstable is better than testing, less stable but newer than stable. I've used it for years and never had it break on me |
| 05:11.50 | Hostile | well, since I guess I'm testing what should I be testing for...and how do I report these things? |
| 05:11.58 | Wyzard | Hostile: man reportbug |
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| 05:12.27 | Wyzard | Hostile: Major breakage in unstable is rare, but it does happen... more common are smaller quirks and bugs in individual packages, which often require a bit of experience to be able to resolve |
| 05:12.32 | liable | litage: how would we know? |
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| 05:12.40 | Mestapheles | sethw: so the correct order of the ong way would be 'umount /dev/scd0', 'rmmod sbp2', before 'eject /dev/scd0' |
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| 05:12.44 | Mestapheles | long |
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| 05:13.08 | sethw | Mestapheles as long as you umount, the rest is optional |
| 05:13.13 | Wyzard | Hostile: Running unstable is also a good way to learn a lot about Debian, often by necessity :-) |
| 05:13.40 | Mestapheles | after umounting I can just press the physical eject button? |
| 05:13.41 | Hostile | yea |
| 05:13.44 | Hostile | thats what I want |
| 05:13.44 | Mestapheles | easy |
| 05:13.47 | Wyzard | Hostile: (as in, something doesn't work and you need to figure out how to fix it) |
| 05:14.01 | Hostile | whats the best way to get good at making .deb's? |
| 05:14.05 | sethw | Mestapheles yep |
| 05:14.09 | concept10 | Anyone know where I can get someone to draw me a website logo for free? |
| 05:14.20 | tictac | Hostile: make them for packages you will never use. |
| 05:14.24 | Mestapheles | so what's the advantage of adding it to fstab? |
| 05:14.26 | Wyzard | Hostile: Be aware, though, that this channel is fairly hostile toward newbies who come here asking questions about unstable but clearly are not competent or haven't researched the problems at all themselves |
| 05:14.33 | Penix | !test |
| 05:14.33 | dpkg | Sorry, penix, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:14.42 | Wyzard | Hostile: Go to www.debian.org, and click on the "developers" link in the column on the left |
| 05:14.43 | Penix | Hostile: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 05:14.43 | sethw | Mestapheles so you have a mountpoint |
| 05:14.50 | Wyzard | Hostile: Then look for the "New Maintainer's Guide" on that page |
| 05:15.49 | Mestapheles | true, and you can umount that, but it seems redundant if one can "umount /devscd0" wthout adding it to fstab as I can |
| 05:15.57 | Penix | Hostile: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ is nice too |
| 05:16.08 | Hostile | Wyzard, yeah I was reading that, but I dont know what pkg to try |
| 05:16.17 | Wyzard | Hostile: yeah, that's the tough part :-) |
| 05:16.34 | sethw | Mestapheles I guess I don't understand. Without a mount point, how are you accessing the files on it now? |
| 05:16.42 | Wyzard | Hostile: If you can't think of anything new to package, you could try packaging something that already exists, and then compare your package with the one in the archive |
| 05:17.03 | Hostile | hmm |
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| 05:17.19 | sethw | Hostile: bplay needs a man page |
| 05:17.23 | Penix | Hostile: or if there's an app on your system that you install from source, replace it with your package of it |
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| 05:17.24 | Hostile | I also browsed the orphan list and the up for adoption list and didnt find anything that intrested me :( |
| 05:17.29 | sethw | Hostile if you want something to do |
| 05:17.30 | Penix | s/install/installed/ |
| 05:17.36 | Hostile | sethw, whats bplay? |
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| 05:18.08 | Penix | Hostile: you don't have to adopt a package or start trying to become super-dd overnight if you just want to learn how to package stuff |
| 05:18.10 | sethw | hostile it's a command line record /playback simple program |
| 05:18.26 | Mestapheles | well, I don't access files on that one, I just use it to burn. XCDRoast just finds it and does its thing. I guess you just explained why I've never been able to acess files on it as I do with my internal CD-ROM. I just don't understand how I can eject it without it being mounted/included in fstab. |
| 05:18.35 | Hostile | sethw, heh I have no clue how to write a manpage :( |
| 05:18.43 | Wyzard | Hostile: There are other ways to help Debian besides packaging stuff btw... you could join a development group for some existing software, such as apt or something |
| 05:18.45 | Penix | Hostile: ofcourse, don't let me stop you from being the next super-dd ;) |
| 05:18.52 | Mestapheles | my internal does show up in fstab |
| 05:19.09 | Kupal[] | anyone playing with xen? |
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| 05:19.40 | sethw | Mestapheles i think you answered your own question. cdrecord (under the hood of xcdroast) uses a different method of accessing the drive |
| 05:19.45 | Hostile | lol |
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| 05:19.59 | Hostile | Wyzard, but I dont know how I can help with apt...I have no coding skills |
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| 05:20.40 | sethw | Hostile: then just preach the word & turn in bugs |
| 05:20.41 | Penix | Hostile: how did packaging something turn in to hacking apt? |
| 05:20.51 | Wyzard | Hostile: That was just an example; there are also things like maintaining documentation, etc. |
| 05:20.56 | concept10 | What do you guys use to play mp4 videos? |
| 05:21.07 | Mestapheles | I think, I did. I appreciate your feedback, though as I can recieve correction where I am wrong. I read up on how to add to fstab. It's easy as I remember, an use my external more than my internal as it is quiter. |
| 05:21.09 | sethw | concept10: mplayer |
| 05:21.12 | Wyzard | Hostile: Nothing wrong with being a maintainer; I'm just pointing alternatives so you don't think packaging is the *only* helpful thing you can do |
| 05:21.38 | Kupal[] | cause xen looks sexy, but is it in pubasent? |
| 05:21.39 | Kupal[] | hate to be some form of software molestor.. |
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| 05:21.41 | Hostile | hmm |
| 05:21.49 | dserban | How does one use udev + md devices? I've found a bug with inconclusive "responses". |
| 05:21.49 | concept10 | sethw, I get no sound using totem and mplayer, im I missing a codec? |
| 05:21.58 | Hostile | Wyzard, does the apt dev group have a site, like what they are looking for |
| 05:21.59 | dserban | * a bug on bts |
| 05:22.11 | sethw | concept10 try installing aumix, then run it to see your mixer settings |
| 05:22.30 | Penix | Hostile: I'm not a DD, I don't do any packages, but I maintain documentation for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. everyone needs docs |
| 05:22.34 | Wyzard | Hostile: dunno, probably somewhere on alioth.debian.org |
| 05:22.54 | sethw | Penix: how'd you start maint docs? |
| 05:23.25 | Draconicus | I need to mount my secondary master harddrive (hdb). It's formatted with ntfs. What do I put in fstab? |
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| 05:23.50 | Penix | sethw: write a basic install guide back when the existing instructions were a few steps in INSTALL. mailed the list, they liked it, gave me alioth svn access |
| 05:23.54 | Penix | wrote rather |
| 05:23.57 | Wyzard | Hostile: apt was just a random piece of software chosen off the top of my head |
| 05:24.32 | sethw | Penix: cool. I found a bug in the doc of my kid's fav game jumpnbump, I guess I'll email the developers |
| 05:24.39 | Wyzard | sethw: man reportbug |
| 05:25.33 | Hostile | oh |
| 05:25.35 | Hostile | hmm |
| 05:26.19 | Wyzard | Hostile: You could help the debtags group with tagging packages... that's a task that I do know could use help, and doesn't require development skills |
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| 05:28.09 | Hostile | Wyzard, whats the details of that? |
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| 05:28.48 | maher | Hostile: http://debian.vitavonni.de/packagebrowser/ |
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| 05:29.00 | keenan | is there a way to lock a file in /dev/shm into real memory? |
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| 05:29.02 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone. good app to rip a cd in debian..? I'm using fluxbox which is like blackbox.. no kde or gnome here.. thanks in advance |
| 05:29.06 | Wyzard | Hostile: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ is the main website, and has links to the tool maher mentioned |
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| 05:29.21 | maher | ultraviolet16: abcde |
| 05:29.23 | Wyzard | Hostile: There's a FAQ there |
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| 05:29.36 | daedalus_ | ultraviolet16: grip should still work |
| 05:29.47 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: I tried out crip yesterday, and decied to stick with abcde |
| 05:29.53 | MrKeuner | ultraviolet16/ Sound Juicer |
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| 05:30.19 | ultraviolet16 | thanks for the wealth of responses.. lol thanks.. i guess i'll try the one with the prettiest name. |
| 05:30.22 | ultraviolet16 | how about that? |
| 05:30.40 | ultraviolet16 | or maybe i'll look into each one.. haha, thanks |
| 05:30.43 | binaryc | i lost power durring an apt-get upgrade and now when i run it i recieve the error |
| 05:30.45 | cat | !info blootbot sarge |
| 05:30.45 | Hostile | Wyzard, somewhere on that site does it explain what it is? |
| 05:30.46 | binaryc | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 05:30.46 | binaryc | eno: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 05:30.46 | binaryc | eno: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 05:30.46 | binaryc | eno: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 05:30.46 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Well, "abcde" stands for "A Better CD Encoder" :-) |
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| 05:30.56 | Wyzard | Hostile: There's a FAQ link partway down |
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| 05:31.00 | ultraviolet16 | ah. well i want the best! |
| 05:31.06 | ultraviolet16 | I want tbcde |
| 05:31.07 | ultraviolet16 | =) |
| 05:31.12 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:31.30 | maher | binarydigit: try moving status to status.broken and copying an old status file in its place |
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| 05:31.46 | ultraviolet16 | grip is for gnome says.. so i'll stay away |
| 05:32.08 | Draconicus | 'lo? |
| 05:32.10 | c01100011_ | whoops should have thought about that before i pasted, sorry for the flood, |
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| 05:32.33 | ultraviolet16 | and so is sound juicer |
| 05:32.47 | ultraviolet16 | im going for abcde |
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| 05:34.28 | ultraviolet16 | abcde error: cdparanoia is not in your path |
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| 05:34.58 | maher | ultraviolet16: install it |
| 05:34.59 | Hostile | Wyzard, hmm that site never explains the project |
| 05:35.04 | Wyzard | UltraSub: abcde depends on cdparanoia or cdda2wav, so you must have one of those two installed |
| 05:35.10 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: oops, ^^ |
| 05:35.18 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: cdparanoia is better, though, so install that |
| 05:35.41 | ultraviolet16 | hehe ok.. thanks |
| 05:35.57 | Wyzard | Hostile: Packages are currently divided into "sections"... see http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ for a list |
| 05:36.01 | Hostile | hey how do I make it so I can launch Xapps as root? |
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| 05:36.12 | binaryc | i lost power durring an apt-get upgrade and now when i run it i recieve an error about Mergelist /bar/lib/dpkg/status and the package list or status file not being able to be parsed or open |
| 05:36.13 | Schiz0 | Hostile- login to x as root? |
| 05:36.17 | Schiz0 | which you shouldn't do :-x |
| 05:36.23 | maher | binarydigit: try moving status to status.broken and copying an old status file in its place |
| 05:36.32 | Hostile | Schiz0, no so I can launch them in a root terminal |
| 05:36.32 | maher | binaryc: try moving status to status.broken and copying an old status file in its place |
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| 05:36.35 | dsw | Hostile: or you could as user run "xhosts +" |
| 05:36.41 | Hostile | Wyzard, and the project is putting all packages in that |
| 05:36.43 | Wyzard | Hostile: Problem is, each package can only be in one section... so does Muine (a music player for GNOME, written in .NET) belong in X11, GNOME, or Sound? |
| 05:36.59 | Hostile | Wyzard, oh so where does debtags come in? |
| 05:37.05 | Wyzard | Hostile: debtags is working on categorizing packages in a different way, based on "facets" |
| 05:37.16 | ultraviolet16 | written in .net? |
| 05:37.25 | Wyzard | Hostile: For example, one facet of a package is what you do with it... Muine is a music player |
| 05:37.40 | ultraviolet16 | I'm about to get a job to write a .net app.. i was going to install windows for it.. but can I do it in linux? |
| 05:37.43 | Wyzard | Hostile: Another facet is what sort of environment you use it in, such as console, GNOME, etc.; Muine is a GNOME app |
| 05:37.54 | Wyzard | Hostile: Yet another is what language it's written in; Muine is written in C# |
| 05:38.02 | Hostile | Wyzard, so it can be part of multiple facets? |
| 05:38.03 | mdh | how can you write something in a top-level domain? |
| 05:38.08 | baroni | Does anyone knows how to generate a ISO image with filenames that have 100 (or more) characteres in your full path? |
| 05:38.20 | Wyzard | Hostile: The idea is to let you use whatever facets you want to "narrow down" to a set of packages that are interesting to you |
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| 05:38.26 | Wyzard | Hostile: such as "music players for GNOME" |
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| 05:38.46 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Mono doesn't support Windows Forms, but other than that, seems to work quite well |
| 05:39.00 | Hostile | Wyzard, to find muine you could narrow it down to music players..then GNOME? |
| 05:39.02 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: I have two GNOME apps written in C# (Muine and Tomboy) running right now |
| 05:39.11 | ultraviolet16 | but if I write it with mono can I then export to visual studio? |
| 05:39.15 | Wyzard | Hostile: Yep... or the other way, first, GNOME apps and then music players |
| 05:39.19 | litage | when i run a graphical prog as root, it says "cannot connect to X server". how can i fix this? |
| 05:39.23 | Hostile | Wyzard, ahh very nice idea |
| 05:39.25 | ultraviolet16 | how does it run Wyzard |
| 05:39.26 | ultraviolet16 | ? |
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| 05:39.34 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: I haven't had any problems with it |
| 05:39.36 | Hostile | Wyzard, and to contribute I need debtags-edit? |
| 05:39.45 | Wyzard | Hostile: Either that or the online packagebrowser |
| 05:39.50 | Schiz0 | How do you update just one package? apt-get install it? |
| 05:39.57 | dsw | mdh: .NET is a M$ language |
| 05:39.57 | Wyzard | Schiz0: yes |
| 05:40.00 | Schiz0 | k |
| 05:40.05 | ultraviolet16 | litage: try logging in to root from the xdm kdm or gdm whatever your using |
| 05:40.06 | Hostile | Wyzard, when I launch debtags-edit it segfaults |
| 05:40.09 | ultraviolet16 | then run the app |
| 05:40.11 | skaught | .NET is NOT a language |
| 05:40.13 | ultraviolet16 | then logout, try that, worked for me |
| 05:40.18 | ultraviolet16 | it's platform |
| 05:40.19 | skaught | Unless you mean MSIL |
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| 05:40.24 | ultraviolet16 | like java |
| 05:40.24 | Wyzard | Hostile: It's written in C++, so it's probably suffering from the current C++ ABI transition in unstable |
| 05:40.25 | litage | ultraviolet16: i don't want to login to my windowmanager as root |
| 05:40.30 | Wyzard | Hostile: Use the packagebrowser for now |
| 05:40.32 | dsw | litage: xhost + |
| 05:40.33 | mdh | dsw: no, its a methodology. VB, C#, etc are languages. |
| 05:40.40 | ultraviolet16 | litage: it worked for me. |
| 05:40.54 | dsw | mdh: sorry, talking out my butt again. |
| 05:40.56 | Wyzard | .NET is a platform: a runtime and a standard library |
| 05:41.07 | mrwoody | do wireless kb and mouse usually work in linux? |
| 05:41.26 | Wyzard | mrwoody: I'm using a Logitech Cordless Desktop mouse/keyboard pair |
| 05:41.30 | mdh | mrwoody: yes |
| 05:41.31 | Penix | mrwoody: ofcourse |
| 05:41.39 | binaryc | maher : thanks alot replacing status with status-old worked like a charm. wish apt gave me some insight instead of just the error, i didn't know the status file had a backup, but boy was i glad to find that out |
| 05:41.42 | mina_linux_Tux | what is torrent seeders , i tried to google it but i can't understand exactly what does it mean in theory |
| 05:41.46 | Wyzard | mrwoody: They're no different from any other keyboards and mice as far as the software is concerned |
| 05:41.46 | mrwoody | Wyzard: which one, if I can ask? |
| 05:42.01 | ultraviolet16 | if kernel 2.4 doesn't support it then 2.6 will most probably |
| 05:42.14 | Wyzard | mrwoody: The MX, which unfortunately doesn't seem to be available for sale anymore... now they just have the ugly LX |
| 05:42.31 | mrwoody | Wyzard: what is the difference? |
| 05:42.39 | Wyzard | mrwoody: The LX keyboard is ugly :-) |
| 05:42.42 | dsw | mrwoody: I'm using the one that came with my Gateway |
| 05:42.56 | Wyzard | mrwoody: Functionally, Debian doesn't care; a keyboard is a keyboard and a mouse is a mouse |
| 05:42.58 | Hostile | Wyzard, hmm gmailfs I tagged it with organizing data? reasonable tag? |
| 05:43.08 | mdh | logitech used to have a huge range of keyboards, now they've consolidated |
| 05:43.17 | mrwoody | Wyzard: ok... I thought there was a special driver for that |
| 05:43.33 | Penix | my logitech keyboard is banished to my pos k6 |
| 05:43.41 | dsw | mrwoody: as long as your USB is up it should work fine |
| 05:44.03 | ultraviolet16 | dude im using a wireless apple keyboard. if this works, anything will |
| 05:44.15 | ultraviolet16 | ^^ |
| 05:44.18 | Wyzard | mrwoody: They're just ordinary USB or PS/2 mice as far as the OS is concerned; the use of radio is just part of the workings, just like the difference between optical vs. mechanical mice |
| 05:44.38 | mrwoody | Wyzard: I see... thanks for the info |
| 05:44.58 | Wyzard | Hostile: That comes down to a larger question of whether a filesystem should be tagged as "organizing data", which sounds reasonable, I guess, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 05:45.16 | choi | is there any other way to eject a CDrom when it's not responding? |
| 05:45.25 | Wyzard | Hostile: Take a look at some existing tags for examples, and maybe join the mailing list (it's pretty low-traffic) |
| 05:45.37 | mdh | mrwoody: many of these keyboards/mice have extra buttons/scrollwheels etc which are supportd by the appropriate keymap config in XFree86 |
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| 05:45.49 | binaryc | choi - the button on the front of it |
| 05:45.58 | Hostile | Edit Debian Package: linuxtrade |
| 05:45.58 | Hostile | A real-time stock market tracker and news console |
| 05:45.59 | dsw | choi kill the process, umount the dev, rmmod the modules |
| 05:46.05 | mdh | eg you use logiinet instead of pc104 |
| 05:46.08 | Hostile | I added Accounting and Financial software |
| 05:46.16 | choi | thanks |
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| 05:49.02 | ultraviolet16 | im about to run abcde now. if I want 192bitrate with mp3 format with verbose.. is this the right syntax..: abcde -o mp3:192 -V? |
| 05:49.18 | teufel | is there a command to restart apache without restarting the computer? |
| 05:49.22 | ultraviolet16 | yea |
| 05:49.31 | Schiz0 | teufel- use apachectl in the bin dir |
| 05:49.32 | ultraviolet16 | apache2ctl graceful |
| 05:49.33 | liable | teufel: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 05:49.41 | ultraviolet16 | or that, i might be wrong |
| 05:49.42 | Schiz0 | apachectl restart, or graceful |
| 05:49.52 | teufel | thanks guys |
| 05:49.53 | Schiz0 | and apachectl stop to stop it |
| 05:49.54 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: The initscript just runs apachectl/apache2ctl |
| 05:49.56 | Schiz0 | start to start it. |
| 05:50.16 | ultraviolet16 | Wyzard: .. thanks, nice to know, i didn't know that |
| 05:50.30 | ultraviolet16 | what's the difference between graceful and stop and start? |
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| 05:50.40 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Or put LAMEOPTS='-b 192' in your ~/.abcde |
| 05:50.47 | Schiz0 | not sure, but "they" recommend graceful instead of start |
| 05:51.04 | ultraviolet16 | oh i get a .abcde.. yes... |
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| 05:51.22 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: and OUTPUTYPE=mp3 if you want to make MP3s by default (but you should use Vorbis!) |
| 05:51.40 | ultraviolet16 | vorbis.. |
| 05:51.48 | ultraviolet16 | oh ogg |
| 05:51.50 | ultraviolet16 | well |
| 05:51.53 | ultraviolet16 | i guess for me |
| 05:52.01 | ultraviolet16 | but some people using pc i think still can't get it |
| 05:52.03 | Schiz0 | Pfft ogg vorbis. |
| 05:52.28 | Wyzard | Unless you need to play them somewhere that doesn't support Vorbis (such as on a Windows machine where you don't have admin access to install codecs, or an iPod or something), you should use Vorbis |
| 05:52.43 | Dumann | i think i just crashed my rented server |
| 05:52.49 | Dumann | but i dont know exactly how |
| 05:52.52 | Dumann | some gameserver gave me a segmentation fault, so i copied all LIBS from my other debian server to that server. (to /home/libs, then i ran the game with export LD_PATH=/home/libs before it, and it ran great) then for some reason i thought : why not put those files into the /lib dir? So i went to the /lib/ dir, and did: cp /blablabla/* . (i thought linux would say: wanna overwrite excisting files? but it didnt. it said: file already in use |
| 05:53.39 | ultraviolet16 | Wyzard: the thing is I also plan on using this encoder to encode my personal electronic music. So I want to get what most people have, since I want most people to be able to listen to it. |
| 05:53.41 | Dumann | can anybody confirm that this causes a crash |
| 05:54.10 | maher | Dumann: can you get any sort of access to the machine? |
| 05:54.23 | Wyzard | Dumann: Overwriting system libraries with different versions taken from somewhere else is generally a bad idea |
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| 05:54.45 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: When you say your personal music, do you mean music you've composed yourself? |
| 05:55.01 | ultraviolet16 | yea |
| 05:55.18 | maher | ultraviolet16: there are ogg players for windows, but ipods and my car stereo for example can't play oggs... |
| 05:55.23 | Dumann | yes but look, i didnt overwrite them |
| 05:55.29 | Dumann | i didnt CONFIRM to overwrite |
| 05:55.37 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: For that you should have the originals and shouldn't need to rip from a CD... but at any rate, I'd store that in FLAC for "archival" purposes, and make both MP3 and Vorbis for download |
| 05:55.43 | Dumann | i was expecting that linux wasnt that noob that it would overwrite all files without asking me |
| 05:56.13 | ultraviolet16 | well when i export i can do wav mp3.. or even ogg. but that's in windows. |
| 05:56.15 | maher | Dumann: did you ovewrite the lib files or not? |
| 05:56.19 | Dumann | i can still ping the server, but i cant get an ssh connection to it, and the webmin site is also down |
| 05:56.33 | Dumann | i didnt confirm. i just did cp /blaat/* . |
| 05:56.34 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: The Vorbis will sound better than MP3 for a given file size, but MP3 is more widely-supported, so you should offer both |
| 05:56.40 | Dumann | so i dont know if it overwrite them |
| 05:56.46 | teufel | is there a way to move all the files in a folder to a different folder, but not the directory itself to that folder using the prompt? |
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| 05:57.03 | maher | Dumann: did root's cp default to -i? |
| 05:57.04 | ultraviolet16 | im planning on exporting raw wavs then encoding vbr mp3's because my system doesn't support vbr mp3;s |
| 05:57.09 | Dumann | no idea |
| 05:57.21 | Dumann | but i can still ping server, but i cant connect |
| 05:57.22 | mdh | teufel: cd dir && mv * /new/dir/ |
| 05:57.28 | ultraviolet16 | im going to give the ogg a try now though. let's see how it sounds. I ripping the antics album from interpol |
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| 05:57.36 | teufel | mdh: thanks |
| 05:57.36 | Dumann | maher, u got ssh ? |
| 05:57.39 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Sounds good... but you probably want to keep an original lossless copy too, and that you should use FLAC, because it's smaller than raw WAV |
| 05:57.52 | Dumann | maybe it just refuses my connection |
| 05:57.53 | jla | you can ping it even if it's almost shut down |
| 05:57.58 | mdh | teufel: && mv .??* /new/dir/ |
| 05:58.02 | ultraviolet16 | FLAC.. ok i've never heard of it. I'll make a note to read about it though, thanks |
| 05:58.08 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: But if I were you, when making the VBR MP3s, I'd also make Vorbis files too |
| 05:58.12 | Dumann | can u try if u can get an ssh connection with 83.98.159.193 |
| 05:58.18 | k-man | this may seem like a silly question, but how does one select the window manager one wants to use in debian? |
| 05:58.21 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Free Lossless Audio Codec... the name says it all |
| 05:58.23 | maher | Dumann: i have alias rm='rm -i' in my .bashrc, but often the root account does not have this, unless you set it up |
| 05:58.28 | k-man | from within X? |
| 05:58.38 | Dumann | maher what does it do, ask for overwrite? |
| 05:58.45 | ultraviolet16 | OK i gotcha |
| 05:58.48 | ultraviolet16 | thanks for the info |
| 05:58.56 | maher | Dumann: with out -i it just does it |
| 05:59.03 | concept10 | has anyone watched the go open source TV? |
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| 05:59.37 | Dumann | maher can u try if u can get an ssh connection with 83.98.159.193 |
| 05:59.40 | maher | Dumann: its not answering ssh - do you have some sort of console access |
| 05:59.44 | Dumann | maybe it refuses my ip for some reason |
| 05:59.45 | mdh | ssh: connect to host 83.98.159.193 port 22: Connection refused |
| 05:59.45 | Dumann | doh |
| 05:59.48 | Dumann | shit |
| 05:59.55 | Dumann | what u mean console access |
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| 06:00.07 | Dumann | i guess my admin has to restart it :/ |
| 06:00.08 | Dumann | dammit |
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| 06:00.27 | Dumann | he just went today all the way to the server place to install this new server lol |
| 06:00.31 | maher | Dumann: on my remote box i can log in and get a console so i can see the boot messages etc. |
| 06:00.38 | Wyzard | Dumann: Rebooting won't help if you overwrote your libraries with ones that don't work |
| 06:00.47 | Wyzard | Dumann: You'll have to either restore from a backup, or reinstall |
| 06:00.53 | Dumann | ah no |
| 06:00.53 | Dumann | :/ |
| 06:01.01 | maher | Dumann: he will probably need to reinstall |
| 06:01.03 | Dumann | maher what can u do for me then |
| 06:01.03 | teufel | how do I delete a directory? fm /pathtodirectory is giving me rm: cannont remove, it is a directory |
| 06:01.07 | Dumann | with console |
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| 06:01.16 | Wyzard | teufel: rm -r |
| 06:01.28 | mdh | teufel: rmdir foodir |
| 06:01.33 | teufel | thanks |
| 06:01.43 | ultraviolet16 | teufel: try rm folder -r |
| 06:01.43 | maher | Dumann: it deppends on what sort of access you have - you will most probably need to get an admin to reinstall your box |
| 06:01.45 | Wyzard | teufel: "rmdir" will delete a directory, but only if it's empty; "rm -r" will delete all the contents, then the directory itself |
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| 06:02.01 | teufel | ah ok thank you |
| 06:02.04 | asdfasdfasdf | hello, i have made a kernel using make-kpkg kernel image and installed my kernel but when I try to boot it I get vfs cannot mount root filesystem |
| 06:02.10 | Dumann | how is it possible that it CRASHES without asking me if i wanna overwrite |
| 06:02.11 | ultraviolet16 | teufel: -r = recursive.. does it time and time again |
| 06:02.12 | Dumann | buggy linux |
| 06:02.25 | maher | Dumann: i have a button that does a reinstall on my remote box... |
| 06:02.28 | Dumann | how can it overwrite files that are in use AT ALL |
| 06:02.37 | Schiz0 | Dumann- It wasn't told to ask you if you wanted to overwrite. |
| 06:02.38 | asdfasdfasdf | all of my other kernels use initrd, but for some reason this kernel has not created an initrd image |
| 06:02.48 | maher | Dumann: coping over the library files at random is basically guaranteed to hose your box |
| 06:02.55 | Dumann | doh |
| 06:02.57 | mdh | especially libc |
| 06:03.14 | Dumann | thats where microsoft did great you see ^^ |
| 06:03.18 | jla | Dumann: unless you tell rm or mv or cp that you want it to ask you (-i) it usually does what you tell it to do, no questions asked. No Linux Kernel bug there. |
| 06:03.21 | Dumann | impossible to overwrite used files |
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| 06:03.39 | Schiz0 | No, M$ just made it idiot proof :-P |
| 06:03.39 | liable | Dumann: it did what you told it.. |
| 06:03.53 | Dumann | this sucks |
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| 06:03.57 | Wyzard | Dumann: Well, you can't overwrite a library or executable while it's being used in Linux either... but you can delete it and create a new one with the same name |
| 06:04.01 | mdh | Schiz0: Microsoft just made it idiot :P |
| 06:04.14 | Schiz0 | lol |
| 06:04.16 | Schiz0 | True. |
| 06:04.32 | Wyzard | Dumann: Most likely, though, some of the libraries (such as the PAM libraries that SSH uses for authentication) simply weren't in use at the time you overwrote them, so the overwrites succeeded |
| 06:04.40 | Dumann | maher, u got a key with what u can reinstall a RENTED machine ? (at distance?) |
| 06:04.43 | maher | Dumann: get a linode - you can do remote reinstalls - or even better get a spare box at home to practice on... |
| 06:04.55 | ultraviolet16 | Wyzard: i did the abcde -o ogg:"-b 192" -V command.. and now it's telling me that it's encoding to .wav... is this right? |
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| 06:05.01 | Dumann | what is a linode |
| 06:05.12 | maher | Dumann: linode have a little web interface that lets you start again from scratch when you hose things completely... |
| 06:05.14 | Dumann | i just work with linux for 3 days or so |
| 06:05.19 | Dumann | i did a kernel recompile and stuff |
| 06:05.23 | Dumann | all went great |
| 06:05.25 | maher | ultraviolet16: yes |
| 06:05.27 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: It rips WAV from the CD first, then feeds the complete WAV files to oggenc |
| 06:05.29 | Dumann | and now cauz of some freakin overwrite :/ |
| 06:05.32 | Coke | Wyzard: I can overwrite. |
| 06:05.36 | ultraviolet16 | ohhh ok |
| 06:05.39 | ultraviolet16 | sorry |
| 06:05.43 | jim | Dumann: you don't have to use sms codes (like u for you) here... we can understand english |
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| 06:05.57 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: btw, you should use "-q", not "-b", when encoding Vorbis |
| 06:05.58 | Dumann | maher, where can i get it and do i also have to install something on the machine for it? |
| 06:06.03 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: -q4 maybe |
| 06:06.14 | ultraviolet16 | what is -q? |
| 06:06.16 | ultraviolet16 | quality? |
| 06:06.22 | Dumann | what sms codes :/ |
| 06:06.25 | Coke | Wyzard: files are not locked when used (i.e filehandle open) as the are in Windows |
| 06:06.27 | jim | man page is -right- there |
| 06:06.28 | jla | When I install a security update for the same kernel version, the "overwrites" don't fail. |
| 06:06.32 | maher | Dumann: lnode is a hosting provider - you can't install it on a different box - contact your current admins and ask them to reinstall |
| 06:06.39 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Quality... it's not directly related to bitrate, but more true to how the result sounds |
| 06:06.50 | Dumann | hmm wel thanks anyways |
| 06:07.02 | ultraviolet16 | crap. well im going to start over..... |
| 06:07.04 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Specifying a bitrate makes a lot less sense when doing VBR... at best it means a target average for the encoder to try for |
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| 06:07.26 | Maliuta | at the higher end the leaps in size and bitrate with -q are too big for my liking |
| 06:07.29 | VivekVC | The tiger automatic auditor shows the following message http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/NJoGQc58.html. Kindly guide me what to do ? |
| 06:07.30 | VivekVC | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.37 | VivekVC | Thanks in advanc |
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| 06:07.46 | VivekVC | advance* |
| 06:07.53 | ultraviolet16 | so vorbis does vbr automatically? |
| 06:07.55 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: I use -q5 for CD ripping and IIRC it generally corresponds to around 150kbps |
| 06:08.01 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Vorbis is always VBR |
| 06:08.07 | mdh | what is with this multiplication sign thing? |
| 06:08.10 | Maliuta | ultraviolet6: unless you tell the encoder not to |
| 06:08.17 | mdh | lots of newbies tend to use it |
| 06:08.17 | ultraviolet16 | thanks guys |
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| 06:08.28 | Maliuta | Wyzard: not true, you can make it turn off vbr |
| 06:08.35 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Well, I guess CBR Vorbis is possible, but it's kinda pointless in most cases |
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| 06:09.00 | Dumann | btw |
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| 06:09.08 | Dumann | both machines had the same kernel |
| 06:09.10 | maher | VivekVC: do you have reason to believe your box is compromised? |
| 06:09.12 | fooz | vorbis was CBR before they finished it, but they moved to VBR |
| 06:09.22 | Dumann | then why are the libs different |
| 06:09.53 | maher | Dumann: same version of debian? same arch? every lib file from the exact same version package? |
| 06:10.08 | Schiz0 | mdh- What multiplication sign thing? |
| 06:10.09 | tarzeau | good morning everybody |
| 06:10.22 | Dumann | no not exact |
| 06:10.24 | Dumann | but almost |
| 06:10.25 | liable | VivekVC: erm, first google for false positives for that, then re-install :( |
| 06:10.39 | Dumann | one ran 3.1 the other one 3.0 but same kernel versions and stuff |
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| 06:10.54 | Schiz0 | O_o |
| 06:10.54 | mdh | Schiz0: you see someone write something like: |
| 06:10.56 | Wyzard | Dumann: 3.0 and 3.1 are not at all close |
| 06:10.58 | Coke | Dumann: libraries and kernel have nothing in common |
| 06:11.00 | maher | Dumann: ok - your box is totally dead - you need to reinstall |
| 06:11.04 | liable | VivekVC: also, you could get rkhunter, and see what it says. |
| 06:11.05 | mdh | my dick is really big |
| 06:11.05 | Dumann | kk |
| 06:11.06 | mdh | *small |
| 06:11.09 | glick | excuse me does anyon eknow when OO.org 2.0 will be available for debian sarge? |
| 06:11.12 | Coke | Dumann: my car is a Nissan, why is my neighbours bike a Kona? |
| 06:11.17 | glick | i mean debian etch |
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| 06:11.21 | Schiz0 | Oh, that multiplication sign thing |
| 06:11.24 | Wyzard | Dumann: You overwrote all your libraries with versions that were several years older |
| 06:11.25 | tarzeau | glick: most probably |
| 06:11.29 | Schiz0 | What do you use? |
| 06:11.37 | Schiz0 | the s/wrong/right thing? |
| 06:11.38 | glick | tarzeau, ? |
| 06:11.40 | tarzeau | glick: but by the release of etch there might be much better office suites available than oo.o2 |
| 06:11.51 | VivekVC | maher: My box *was* compromised earlier, now i have firehol, clamav, and portsentry in place. |
| 06:11.55 | tarzeau | glick: it already is available imho |
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| 06:12.02 | VivekVC | My system is slowing down though |
| 06:12.03 | maher | VivekVC: did you reinstall? |
| 06:12.07 | Dumann | they should make linux a bit more noob proof lol. what pimp enabled auto overwrite lol |
| 06:12.07 | tarzeau | glick: did you check apt-cache search or packages.d.o? |
| 06:12.09 | VivekVC | maher: yes |
| 06:12.11 | glick | tarzeau, but apt-get update doesnt get oo2 |
| 06:12.17 | mdh | Schiz0: I don't think there's a right or wrong, I've just noticed it a lot... and sometimes it makes no sense whatsoever |
| 06:12.21 | maher | VivekVC: from scratch? reformatting the hd? |
| 06:12.24 | tarzeau | glick: do a search |
| 06:12.32 | VivekVC | maher: yes |
| 06:12.42 | Wyzard | Dumann: Unlike Windows, Unix generally trusts you to know what you're doing, and doesn't attempt to second-guess you at every turn |
| 06:12.45 | VivekVC | with a firewall in place while installing. |
| 06:12.52 | VivekVC | re-installing rather. |
| 06:12.52 | Coke | Dumann: what do you mean auto overwrite? |
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| 06:13.14 | maher | VivekVC: maybe its a false positive |
| 06:13.16 | Wyzard | Coke: He's surprised that 'cp' doesn't prompt for confirmation when overwriting a file, by default |
| 06:13.17 | Coke | Dumann: does it automatically overwrite files without you explicitly moving/renaming them? |
| 06:13.20 | qwertz__ | Hi! Tried to build a kernel with "make-kpkg kernel-image --initrd && make modules-image " but make complains that it has no rule to make modules-image - so is there another step I should do? |
| 06:13.21 | Coke | oh |
| 06:13.27 | VivekVC | maher: ok |
| 06:13.34 | jla | Dumann: you may have inferred that from my kernel upgrade comment. I meant the /lib/modules/<version> files which can be slightly different even on debian 3.1 and 3.1 and kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 and 2.6.8-2-k7 (I've not tested to see if it ever really is, but the installer tells you to reboot just in case) |
| 06:13.35 | Coke | Dumann: why would you execute mv or rm unless you wanted to mv or rm? |
| 06:13.42 | mdh | Dumann: some sensible person who wants to copy files |
| 06:14.07 | Wyzard | Dumann: The reasoning is, if you didn't want those files to be placed in /lib, you wouldn't have told it to put them there |
| 06:14.10 | Coke | Dumann: In your ~/.bashrc add alias cp='cp -i' and do the same for mv and rm too. |
| 06:14.14 | maher | VivekVC: look for bad stuff with netstat and nmap and desums |
| 06:14.15 | VivekVC | But my x window system is slowing down considerably, this was the first sympton of having got rooted earlier. |
| 06:14.15 | jim | jla: actually,,, you seem to be mentioning identicl versaions :) |
| 06:14.17 | jla | Dumann: best wishes getting it straightened out though. It really bites to make that kind of mistake. |
| 06:14.28 | jla | jim: doh, I meant -3 :) |
| 06:14.35 | VivekVC | maher: ok |
| 06:14.41 | maher | VivekVC: debsums i mean |
| 06:14.47 | mdh | Coke: and what if he/she isn't runnning bash as their shell? ;P |
| 06:15.36 | VivekVC | maher: could you give me a doc to check out on debsums |
| 06:15.38 | maher | VivekVC: run chkrootkit a few times and see if it always give the same warning.... |
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| 06:15.45 | VivekVC | ok |
| 06:15.52 | maher | VivekVC: apt-get install debsums, man debsums |
| 06:15.54 | jla | Dumann: some distro's alias root's cp,mv,rm commands with the -i option. I was quick to notice that Debian doesn't when I switched to it. |
| 06:15.55 | Coke | mdh: someone who is surprised those commands aren't interactive might not have the knowledge to change a shell? |
| 06:15.59 | fooz | hrm.. it's kinda scary, i don't remember (GNU/)linux having a learning curve for me |
| 06:16.08 | mdh | VivekVC: sometimes chkrootkit can give false positives.. I get them on one of my servers all the time |
| 06:16.24 | fooz | scary because i don't know whether it's cause I can't remember back to when I started, or maybe because it was just never difficult at all |
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| 06:17.20 | mdh | VivekVC: it especially gets confused if a process quits while it's running... claims its trying to hide |
| 06:17.27 | VivekVC | mdh: i understand that but can some one explain the x windows slowing down, during the compromise it was even crashing, or maybe this feeling is just a mental one. |
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| 06:17.30 | VivekVC | mdh: ok |
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| 06:17.37 | mdh | fooz: some people just don't get common sense. |
| 06:17.40 | VivekVC | btw folks this is my home system. |
| 06:18.16 | VivekVC | the feeling that the x windows is slowing down..... |
| 06:18.27 | liable | VivekVC: get rkhunter and see if it shows em too. |
| 06:18.30 | mdh | VivekVC: that's half the "fun" of debugging - separating the reality from the placebo |
| 06:18.32 | Coke | Oh, GNU/Linux has a learning curve, just like most things. Although, once you become an advanced user, Windows is much more difficult to use as you want to do more advanced stuff while GNU just becomes easier with time. |
| 06:18.48 | valdyn | VivekVC: rootkits would change stuff in you running kernel, not unusual that that makes it crash too. |
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| 06:18.58 | fooz | err, i wasn't commenting about Dumann, it just reminded me of that |
| 06:19.27 | fooz | i came from DOS and Windows 3.1/95 |
| 06:19.30 | VivekVC | i am running chkrootkit says "scalper worm installed" |
| 06:19.53 | VivekVC | says= it says |
| 06:19.56 | fooz | and went to Slackware '96 and Debian (i don't know which version, it was so long ago.. 1.3 or 2.0, but probably 1.3) |
| 06:20.00 | VivekVC | i'll paste it again |
| 06:20.14 | Coke | VivekVC: X-Windows systems do take their toll on the system hardware. Make sure to have a good graphic chipset and lots of memory. |
| 06:20.19 | mdh | VivekVC: are you running anything that sets your interfaces into promiscuous mode? |
| 06:20.28 | mdh | VivekVC: snort, tcpdump, ... |
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| 06:20.41 | valdyn | VivekVC: get info about that worm and verify that its not a false positive, then just reinstall. |
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| 06:20.54 | ultraviolet16 | btw abcde is working like a charm. waiting for it to finish. I stopped the encode I was doing and changed the options to ogg:"-q5" |
| 06:21.18 | ultraviolet16 | O:-) |
| 06:21.40 | maher | fooz: i remember breaking /lib when i was starting - but I didn't learn by admining remote boxes... |
| 06:21.52 | VivekVC | mdh: don't think so |
| 06:21.55 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 06:21.56 | Wyzard | ultraviolet16: Yep, it resumes where it left off, though of course any files that had already been encoded were done with the lower quality |
| 06:21.58 | fooz | i remember my first debian install was in an extra 100mb partition, and I remember being able to configure SVGAlib and run Abuse within days of installing it (burning floppies from windows with rawrite and installing debs from spare space on a drvspace'd DOS partition) |
| 06:22.09 | VivekVC | btw, take a look at this folks http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/iMKfvz20.html |
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| 06:22.30 | Coke | fooz: did you lose your GNU virginity with Debian? |
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| 06:22.33 | ultraviolet16 | i erased the previous files Wyzard |
| 06:22.44 | simonrvn | Coke: i certainly did |
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| 06:22.52 | tarzeau | fooz: haven't you played with c-64/atari/amiga before DOS? |
| 06:22.53 | fooz | and i knew nothing about running/using linux then compared to now, but i didn't think i knew nothing then.. i didn't really think about it at all then |
| 06:22.55 | jair | hello guys? |
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| 06:23.40 | jair | I know that this question is not regarding debian but I do not think that exist a room for "vsftpd", it is anyone here with experience using vsftpd server? |
| 06:23.41 | fooz | tarzeau, no. i had very ... limited or isolated computer experience before i got online via AOL in 96 or 97ish |
| 06:23.43 | ultraviolet16 | i losed my linux virginity 2 months ago... |
| 06:23.55 | Coke | simonrvn: my first was red hat 4.0 |
| 06:24.02 | Wyzard | Coke: hehe, same here |
| 06:24.14 | fooz | tarzeau, I'd been using DOS since 1987 probably? but I'd never been *taught* or used computers *with* anyone.. I was completely self-taught by trial and error or reading manuals |
| 06:24.19 | Wyzard | Coke: December 1996 InfoMagic CD set |
| 06:24.23 | ultraviolet16 | i tried freebsd about a year ago but quit when i coldn't get the Xf86Cofig right.. hehe |
| 06:24.28 | tarzeau | fooz: whoa i had internet before you, like summer 94 or 95! and on irc since then (ok it was mIRC at first :) |
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| 06:24.32 | Coke | Wyzard: ahh. Walnut Creek. |
| 06:24.32 | VivekVC | liable: rkhunter not found says the apt-cache search, i am running denian with apt pointing to the testing repository |
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| 06:24.56 | Coke | Wyzard: oh, wait. it was my first Slackware that was from Walnut |
| 06:25.05 | fooz | tarzeau, it was weird when I finally started meeting other people and talking about computer-related stuff: I didn't know how to pronounce any acronyms or anything.. I spelled them out |
| 06:25.13 | Wyzard | I still have some Debian 2.0 discs that I bought, too |
| 06:25.19 | maher | Coke: same here - i picked slack cos it had the coolest name... |
| 06:25.19 | fooz | tarzeau, cause I had gotten them from books (and books don't tell you how to pronounce acronyms usually) |
| 06:25.19 | pureone | vivekvc rkhunter is not in debian packages |
| 06:25.25 | ultraviolet16 | fooz: lol, like what? |
| 06:25.27 | liable | VivekVC: yeah, you need to compile it. |
| 06:25.36 | VivekVC | ok |
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| 06:25.46 | fooz | ultraviolet16, any computer acronym, like RAM, SCSI, IDE |
| 06:25.50 | Coke | maher: there you go, hehe. I just didn't know anything but the fact that RPM-hell was too much for me to handle. |
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| 06:25.52 | mdh | ultraviolet16: my computer has a sexy controller |
| 06:25.59 | ultraviolet16 | i can see scsi |
| 06:26.08 | ultraviolet16 | 0_o |
| 06:26.09 | tombs | could someone, please, tell me what package do I need to transfer .mp3 to a mp3 player(like iPod, but from creative)? |
| 06:26.09 | fooz | well whatever |
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| 06:26.28 | maher | Coke: i failed to roll my own libc5 / glibc upgrade and decided i was better off with debian... |
| 06:26.30 | tarzeau | fooz: haha i had the same pronouncing problem. that lead to "What?" "ah that" stuff |
| 06:26.32 | ultraviolet16 | i used to hear people say "scuzzy" and I was like.. wtf is that... |
| 06:26.44 | fooz | well the thing was.. I never even heard people say scuzzy |
| 06:26.47 | jair | I am trying to understand how could I create an account for a user in the vsftpd, also how to change the default ftp directory to a another different. |
| 06:26.52 | tarzeau | tombs: got no Mac OS X? |
| 06:26.54 | fooz | up until like 1992 or 1993 |
| 06:26.55 | Wyzard | tombs: You might be able to just mount it like a disk... many digital cameras work that way |
| 06:26.58 | fooz | I used a Turbo XT at 8MHz |
| 06:27.02 | fooz | running DOS 3.x |
| 06:27.08 | maher | jair: did you look in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd |
| 06:27.12 | ultraviolet16 | i only heard scuzzy and LATER.. much later connected scsi and scuzzy... mind blowing experience.. haha |
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| 06:27.26 | tombs | tarzeu, I don't have MacOS |
| 06:27.27 | jair | maher: I have the man page and a how to |
| 06:27.40 | tombs | Wyzard, ok I'll try to mount it than.. |
| 06:27.41 | jair | maher: but I have a human question not a computer question |
| 06:27.45 | Wyzard | tombs: If that's the case, "usb-storage" is what you want to look for info on... but I've never used one of those so I don't actually know whether it works that way |
| 06:27.46 | maher | jair: sometimes there is debian specific advice in there |
| 06:27.46 | tarzeau | fooz: there existed Atari with GEM. that sucked, no command line |
| 06:27.46 | fooz | I started reading a local computer magazine and BBSing (before I even knew that some numbers were in different zones/area codes and that meant they cost more to call :)) |
| 06:27.49 | ultraviolet16 | i know mac osx kinda ok if anyone wants to ask.. |
| 06:27.58 | tarzeau | fooz: just like Mac OS (without X) |
| 06:28.04 | fooz | so the first month I started BBSing I had a $400 phone bill |
| 06:28.05 | Wyzard | tombs: USB mass-sorage devices appear as SCSI disks, so see if you have an sda |
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| 06:28.10 | fooz | mom was not happy |
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| 06:28.27 | tombs | Wyzard, ok...thanx for now |
| 06:28.29 | tombs | :) |
| 06:28.32 | ultraviolet16 | fooz: where did you grow up? |
| 06:28.45 | fooz | still i didn't have any money, and i was only like 10 or 11.. so it's not like I frequented computer stores or talked to any computer users whatsoever |
| 06:28.48 | teufel | what is that other command to install stuff on debian besdies dpkg and apt-get ? |
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| 06:28.57 | fooz | so even at that point I was still running off what I learned and taught myself |
| 06:28.58 | jair | maher: ok looks yes I am using sarge stable, but I want to understand how could I change the default directory /home/ftp to a different one because like this /var/www I will be able to acces the web site through ftp. |
| 06:29.00 | fooz | ultraviolet16, San Diego |
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| 06:29.00 | Wyzard | teufel: Do you mean something like aptitude? |
| 06:29.02 | tarzeau | teufel: that's it |
| 06:29.08 | teufel | aptitude yes, thanks |
| 06:29.14 | jim | teufel: make |
| 06:29.14 | Wyzard | teufel: Or a graphical frontend like Synaptic? |
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| 06:29.22 | teufel | what is the difference between apt-get, aptitude, and dpkg? |
| 06:29.23 | ultraviolet16 | man i was in the computer section the other day and i saw this little kid reading security books.. i was like uh oh.. |
| 06:29.24 | Wyzard | jim: Don't foster bad habits :-) |
| 06:29.30 | maher | jair: i dunno - i don't run vsftpd - i was just suggesting a plce to look for further info |
| 06:29.31 | fooz | but yeah, when I got online, everything changed |
| 06:29.36 | jim | it's not a bad habit |
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| 06:29.38 | teufel | wyzard, nah not synaptic, it was aptitude thanks |
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| 06:29.39 | Wyzard | teufel: dpkg is the actual package manager which installs and removes packages |
| 06:29.45 | fooz | I got an AOL free trial floppy (back when it fit on those) |
| 06:29.52 | jair | maher: ok cool and thank you for your help |
| 06:29.59 | teufel | wyzard: ah, so apt-get and aptitude use dpkg? |
| 06:30.01 | Wyzard | teufel: apt-get and aptitude are frontends, which download .deb files (or retrieve them from CD, etc.) and give them to dpkg to install |
| 06:30.02 | patfm | hi, how do I update an environment variable for the whole system, for all users? |
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| 06:30.05 | Wyzard | teufel: correct |
| 06:30.08 | sciboy | Hi, what do i do with /etc/modules to enable AGP FastWrite with the nvidia driver? |
| 06:30.09 | fooz | I had a Hayes Personal Modem 2400 (that came with Prodigy in like 1989) |
| 06:30.14 | jim | you either trust debian or you don't... or rather, either you trust each individual maintainer or you don't |
| 06:30.18 | VivekVC | maher: here is my netstat http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0pfKo779.html |
| 06:30.20 | fooz | and I learned about the internet and started browsing on that |
| 06:30.20 | Wyzard | teufel: aptitude is newer than apt-get, but they serve basically the same purpose |
| 06:30.43 | teufel | wyzard ah... so is there a certain time to use apatitude vs apt-get? |
| 06:30.44 | pureone | vivekvc what about netstat -tupln ? |
| 06:30.47 | fooz | after like 2 days, I decided I must soup up my box, so I went to wal-mart and bought a ZOOM 14.4 modem and burned through a bunch of AOL disks |
| 06:30.49 | mother_fucker | Good day all ;) |
| 06:30.50 | fooz | heheheh |
| 06:30.54 | ultraviolet16 | ah. completed the ripping process and enjoying some much needed interpol thanks a lot for the help guys, especially Wyzard |
| 06:30.56 | Wyzard | teufel: They add the useful feature that when you install a package, any necessary dependencies will be installed as well |
| 06:31.08 | maher | VivekVC: looks fine |
| 06:31.16 | mother_fucker | fooz you work on cars? |
| 06:31.21 | teufel | wyzard: ahh nice |
| 06:31.25 | Wyzard | teufel: It's mostly a matter of preference, though the woody->sarge upgrade instructions specifically recommend aptitude for that upgrade |
| 06:31.26 | fooz | yeah, why? |
| 06:31.27 | fooz | and how'd you know? |
| 06:31.48 | tarzeau | 04:04 < aurel32> x.org has been uploaded |
| 06:31.57 | mother_fucker | fooz I watch some TV show where the genius made man is called fooz.. |
| 06:31.57 | maher | patfm: depends - /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc can be useful |
| 06:32.09 | mother_fucker | I have a 59 rusting edsel.. ;) |
| 06:32.13 | simonrvn | sciboy: try 'nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1' |
| 06:32.15 | fooz | huh |
| 06:32.16 | teufel | Does anyone know if there is a general command that once you have a name targeted in the channel list for irc, types their name in the message window so you don't have to type it out to attention them? |
| 06:32.27 | fooz | i dunno any TV shows with people named fooz |
| 06:32.29 | simonrvn | sciboy: you can do the same on the commandline |
| 06:32.30 | mother_fucker | Fooz is my car restoring idol.. he wrox. |
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| 06:32.34 | Wyzard | teufel: No, but many IRC clients have tab-completion |
| 06:32.36 | patfm | maher: okay thanks, i'll man those |
| 06:32.45 | Atula | how do I format a new USB drive? |
| 06:32.48 | fooz | I just bought a car about a year ago.. that's when I first started working on cars |
| 06:32.48 | ultraviolet16 | lol weird stockerish convo mother_fucker |
| 06:32.55 | Atula | I tried fdisk /ev/sda1 |
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| 06:32.58 | Atula | it didn't work |
| 06:32.59 | teufel | wyzard: tab-completion? |
| 06:33.00 | Atula | !lol |
| 06:33.01 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 06:33.01 | fooz | I put in a new engine/transmission |
| 06:33.02 | mother_fucker | well call me a mf, i can't rememebr the name.. |
| 06:33.02 | Wyzard | teufel: I type "teu<tab>" :-) |
| 06:33.05 | mother_fucker | stockerish? |
| 06:33.12 | teufel | wyzard: ah |
| 06:33.13 | fooz | working on cars is exactly like working on a linux system really |
| 06:33.16 | fooz | except greasier |
| 06:33.17 | tarzeau | mother_fucker: could you /nick mother_hugger ? |
| 06:33.17 | teufel | Wyzard ah there we go |
| 06:33.17 | streuner | mother_fucker: change your nick or should we get eyecandy? |
| 06:33.24 | tarzeau | mother_fucker: there's people in here that are not 18 yet |
| 06:33.34 | mother_fucker | hmm.. |
| 06:33.41 | ultraviolet16 | greycat kills penguis 0_o |
| 06:33.43 | maher | fooz: except you linux box doesn't crush you to death underneath it... |
| 06:33.44 | Atula | just change the name |
| 06:33.50 | Atula | I tried fdisk /ev/sda1 |
| 06:33.55 | Atula | how do I format a new USB drive? |
| 06:33.55 | omi | I have a DNS question which drives me mad. I'm trying to make a dns server for my lan that has domain name which is registered (and serves by my other server for people who are not on my lan :) ) but I always get the same domain name |
| 06:33.58 | fooz | maher, it has an equivalent action |
| 06:33.59 | tarzeau | morning streuner |
| 06:34.07 | streuner | tarzeau: hi |
| 06:34.14 | jm_ | Atula: stop repeating, do you know what /dev/sda1 is? |
| 06:34.15 | fooz | maher, anyway why would your car crush you |
| 06:34.19 | fooz | unless you misapplied jack stands |
| 06:34.24 | mother_fucker | tarzeau: seriosuly change this name, i just claimed it.. |
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| 06:34.25 | Atula | jm_: you tell me |
| 06:34.28 | cmihai | I've seen servers heavier then a car... |
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| 06:34.31 | maher | fooz: that is what i was thinking of |
| 06:34.36 | sds | what packages should I install to get printing up in sarge? |
| 06:34.39 | jczajkowski | I just updated kdelibs4 and now I have no menus. I also lost my applications on the kicker panel. Any ideas how I would go about getting them back? |
| 06:34.41 | Atula | jm_: I thought that's usb drive |
| 06:34.43 | Wyzard | Atula: sda1 is a partition... you don't run fdisk on it |
| 06:34.44 | mother_fucker | I had to put the _ in it or i got errorneous name ;) |
| 06:34.47 | jm_ | Atula: no, you you learn about it |
| 06:35.00 | Wyzard | Atula: Run fdisk on sda to create partitions such as sda1 and sda2, and then create a filesystem in the partition |
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| 06:35.07 | fooz | maher, it's like misapplying the root account.. an idiot lifting up a car does as much damage to it as an idiot trying to install an RPM on a deb box or something |
| 06:35.12 | sciboy | simonrvn: Thanks =) |
| 06:35.21 | Atula | Wyzard: thanks. that was clear |
| 06:35.22 | mother_fucker | Wait, I think someone is calling my name.. nope.. turns out someone is programming again.. |
| 06:35.27 | Wyzard | Atula: It's probably already partitioned, so you already have an sda1 and just want to make a filesystem on it |
| 06:35.37 | streuner | mother_fucker: Don't troll here |
| 06:35.38 | fooz | i've got a Mazda MX-5 |
| 06:35.47 | Atula | Wyzard: yeah. I just want to make a filesystem on it |
| 06:35.50 | omi | fooz, there's alien :) |
| 06:35.52 | fooz | which happens to be one of the easier cars to work on |
| 06:35.54 | maher | fooz: i guess i'd rather have a broken linux box but still be alive... |
| 06:35.58 | Atula | fat32, right? |
| 06:36.03 | fooz | maher, depends on who your boss is |
| 06:36.05 | fooz | :) |
| 06:36.09 | Wyzard | Atula: fat32 if you want it to be usable in Windows |
| 06:36.13 | ultraviolet16 | goodnight all |
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| 06:36.13 | Wyzard | Atula: mkdosfs for that |
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| 06:36.34 | jair | anyone here have experience using "vsftpd" ? |
| 06:36.39 | omi | anyone here who remembers bind well enough? |
| 06:36.49 | fooz | maher, my car's never fallen on me.. just apply common sense, as in all things, to be successful |
| 06:36.51 | Atula | jair: just ask. |
| 06:36.53 | tarzeau | omi: sure |
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| 06:37.04 | Atula | jair: whats your question? |
| 06:37.04 | mother_fucker | anyone here want to talk about this girl i like? |
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| 06:37.09 | omi | tarzeau, can I pm you? |
| 06:37.14 | mother_fucker | im really sweet on her ;P |
| 06:37.14 | tarzeau | omi: no, just ask here |
| 06:37.22 | tarzeau | omi: it's not like bind is illegal or secret |
| 06:37.23 | Atula | mother_fucker: not until you change your offensive nick, we don't |
| 06:37.31 | jim | !ops mother_fucker ot, trolling |
| 06:37.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mother_fucker ot, trolling |
| 06:37.33 | koffa | dspam coming up anytime soon? |
| 06:37.39 | VivekVC | pureone: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Bn8JgM51.html |
| 06:37.41 | omi | tarzeau, no, not that, I do not want to reveal some addresses in general chat :) |
| 06:37.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 06:37.47 | sds | anyone help me with printing??? |
| 06:37.53 | tarzeau | omi: oh that's plain paranoid. no you still can't pm me |
| 06:38.00 | sds | have cups installed but not sure where to go from there? |
| 06:38.04 | omi | tarzeau, ok |
| 06:38.07 | fooz | maher, I went from not knowing how to change the oil or drive, to being able to dismantle the car, swap an entire engine and transmission, rebuild it, and have it run |
| 06:38.14 | Atula | !ask |
| 06:38.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 06:38.17 | pureone | vivekvc port sentry will cause false alarms with chkrootkit |
| 06:38.23 | myren | crap, i pooched my kernel. i need to make sure i keep more backup kernels around on this system. : |
| 06:38.29 | jair | Atula: thank you for answer, I have the apache server configure in a server for a computer dreamweaver class, and the dreamweaver software have a feature that you can connect direcly to the directory /root/index.htm pr php etc. through the ftp using dreamweaver. |
| 06:38.33 | VivekVC | pureone: ok. |
| 06:38.39 | omi | tarzeau, the problem is as follows, I'm trying to create a DNS server for my home network, but it is served by another dns server for those who are not on my lan |
| 06:38.41 | liable | sds: install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, go to linuxprinting.org and read. |
| 06:38.42 | koffa | sds: point your browser to http://localhost:631/ |
| 06:38.46 | maher | fooz: my speedomoeter / odometer don't work - wanna pop round and fix them? :) |
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| 06:38.55 | tarzeau | omi: you know about /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 06:38.59 | myren | running my windows second boot (which never gets run) on this cd-rom less laptop. hopefully i can use grub to boot a kernel on the windows drive to get linux running again |
| 06:39.05 | pureone | the bindshell part anyway |
| 06:39.09 | fooz | maher, not really. but fixing it depends on the type. is it mechanical or digital? |
| 06:39.13 | Atula | jair: and? |
| 06:39.13 | omi | tarzeau, yeah I added the dns server |
| 06:39.25 | fooz | maher, if it's digital, good luck.. could be a bad ECU, bad wiring, or bad tach |
| 06:39.28 | Atula | jair: what's your question about vsftpd? |
| 06:39.31 | omi | tarzeau, also I tried doing dig domain @localdnsserver |
| 06:39.33 | maher | fooz: umm... its an 86 volvo, i suspect its mechanical... |
| 06:39.39 | omi | same result |
| 06:39.43 | fooz | maher, if it's mechanical, just check the cable going from your transmission to your tach |
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| 06:39.59 | maher | fooz: it also recently burnt out its wiring harness which had to be replaced :( |
| 06:40.03 | myren | maher: i've been working on my `84 wagon all day; i love that car |
| 06:40.05 | jair | Atula: what I want to accomplish is: 1- eliminate the anonymous account 2- be able to change the rood directory from /home/ftp to anything I need. 3- I want to find out how to create an account for a local user to access remotely 4- how to add password to the different accounts. |
| 06:40.09 | fooz | maher, it'll probably be a fat cable with a hand-tighten-able nut on it |
| 06:40.27 | maher | fooz: actually - maybe i will even do that.... |
| 06:40.30 | fooz | maher, i had to modify my harness for the new engine |
| 06:40.32 | VivekVC | maher: debsums is installed here. Thanks for the info anyways :) |
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| 06:40.34 | omi | tarzeau, I get a response (maybe copied) from outside dns server |
| 06:40.47 | Atula | jair: you're using Debian, correct? |
| 06:40.51 | fooz | maher, which i might also add, was the first time I ever soldered something |
| 06:40.55 | fooz | but it was successful |
| 06:40.58 | maher | myren: alas i don't think its going to make it out to montreal with me in a few months... |
| 06:41.03 | glick | http://loljesus.com/submissions/ticklesheep.jpg |
| 06:41.07 | glick | omg thats soo funny |
| 06:41.11 | jair | Atula: yes |
| 06:41.13 | Atula | jair: your config file should be in /etc/vsftpd.conf go in there and change the settings |
| 06:41.15 | myren | maher: the cables across the engine that run to the spark plug doo-dad are bio-degradable, and often degraded. taht was the only thing that needed work on my wiring |
| 06:41.19 | jair | Atula: yes |
| 06:41.24 | omi | tarzeau, it seems that my local dns server cached information for my domain even though I specified "master" in named.conf |
| 06:41.29 | maher | fooz: last time i tried to solder something i soldered the solder power cable... |
| 06:41.33 | jair | Atula: I am there |
| 06:41.35 | fooz | heh |
| 06:41.43 | fooz | maher, no problem here, I have a butane-powered soldering iron :) |
| 06:41.46 | Atula | jair: msg me |
| 06:41.50 | jair | cool |
| 06:41.55 | myren | there's not all that many cables in the engine bay, & i cant imagine any of the other ones would really have a problem |
| 06:42.45 | fooz | even basic old cars have tons of wires |
| 06:42.47 | myren | but best of luck, whatever the case |
| 06:42.49 | jla | omi: so you have somdomain.tld hosted somewhere else, and you want systems on your local lan to be myname.somedomain.tld, but you don't want anyone but your lan users to lookup those names? |
| 06:42.56 | fooz | though a basic car in the 90s has a lot more than an 80s or 70s car (depending) |
| 06:43.00 | tarzeau | omi: your dns server is the frist in resolv.conf ? |
| 06:43.00 | maher | myren: well my little car is going to stay in southern california longer than i am - i'm probably going to donate it to a grad sudent or something... |
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| 06:43.19 | fooz | miata's got extra for 1) pop-up headlights 2) airbags 3) various legally required sensors for emissions |
| 06:43.32 | myren | i took out the seats and built a new bed for the wagon. its so perfect for this road trip. :) |
| 06:43.40 | omi | jla, not exactly, I want to have a separate instance of that domain for my lan. local and outside dns servers will have differnt information, and they shouldn't be aware of eachother |
| 06:43.43 | myren | best college & post college car in the world |
| 06:43.44 | maher | fooz: i had a roomate who had an oxy welding kit - i always found it kind of scary... |
| 06:43.47 | omi | tarzeau, yeah, it is first |
| 06:43.53 | fooz | subtracting those, it probably has the same amount of wires as an MGB roadster or something |
| 06:43.54 | teufel | sorry to be stupid, but I have red the manual on chmod and I guess it just hasn't snapped yet. I understand the wrx part, but don't really get the user options except for all. |
| 06:44.29 | maher | myren: well i've got almost 8 years and 60k miles out of mine so i'm not complaining... |
| 06:44.54 | teufel | Like for chmod. what is the "files group"? |
| 06:45.04 | fooz | maybe someone experienced with soldering can answer this question for me: how long should a tip last? I'm nearly clueless at soldering, my last tip only survived long enough to solder up one car stereo wiring harness (about 14 wires) are tips made with different quality? |
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| 06:45.10 | myren | fooz: mercedes started using bio-degradable wiring 3-4 years ago & well, its doing its job VERY well. you can pick up low milage almost new mercs for pennies.... if you dont mind running 2-3 miles of cable to overhaulthe electrical |
| 06:45.15 | maher | teufel: there are three sets of permissions owner, group, other |
| 06:45.21 | fooz | it was a radio shack butane soldering iron |
| 06:45.23 | THUGowner | ugh- whats the irc command to see who is in a channel? |
| 06:45.28 | fooz | THUGowner, try /scan |
| 06:45.31 | internat | /who |
| 06:45.39 | teufel | maher: yeah, owner is whoever created it right? |
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| 06:45.43 | concept10 | fooz, I would say longer than that, maybe your heat iis too high |
| 06:45.44 | myren | as one who solders often, what the hell is a gas soldering iron? |
| 06:45.51 | omi | jla, any ideas? |
| 06:46.05 | maher | teufel: usually - you can change the owner:group with chown |
| 06:46.07 | concept10 | myren, cordless - uses gas to heat |
| 06:46.28 | fooz | myren, it runs on butane and has a catalytic converter (ie it's not on fire) to provide the heat. you know how catalytic converters work? |
| 06:46.30 | jm_ | fooz: there are different tips, but typically they last for like 100 times longer or even more (the bigger they are the longer they last) |
| 06:46.32 | teufel | maher I guess what I'm having trouble understanding is the group part... |
| 06:46.34 | VivekVC | mdh: i just installed snort and tcpdump |
| 06:46.46 | fooz | jm_, ok.. maybe it's just cheapo then.. radio shack :/ |
| 06:46.46 | jla | omi: does the local dns server have a zone file for somedomain.tld? does it forward first? (It should answer with it's info if it thinks it is authorative) |
| 06:46.51 | myren | i really need to get myself a metcal. soo badly. best soldering gear in the world. |
| 06:46.59 | VivekVC | liable: I'll google for false positives now though. |
| 06:47.09 | concept10 | myren, http://www.action-electronics.com/weller.htm#Butane |
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| 06:47.16 | fooz | concept10, i had it on the lowest heat setting |
| 06:47.17 | jm_ | fooz: I think I bought mine some 15-20 years ago and it still has the original tip, must have soldered over 1000 wires with it |
| 06:47.19 | omi | jla, I made the zone file |
| 06:47.27 | fooz | concept10, are the weller ones good? I really want one of their butane ones |
| 06:47.28 | maher | teufel: do ls -l, something like -rw-r--r-- means owner has rw- group has r-- and other has r-- |
| 06:47.33 | slr | how do i like a process to an application?, what is the command? |
| 06:47.35 | omi | jla, I'm not exactly clear on the reverse dns issue though |
| 06:47.55 | slr | how do i like a process to an application?, what is the command? (or checking a port to an application) |
| 06:48.05 | streuner | slr: netstat |
| 06:48.10 | teufel | maher ok... but what IS group? like is that everyone who has an account on the computer or what? |
| 06:48.16 | streuner | slr: try netstat -pant |
| 06:48.21 | fooz | jm_, ok, thanks.. i thought they were dying awful fast |
| 06:48.24 | mdh | VivekVC: you could use snort maybe to see if anyone's trying to break in... I suggest acidlab also |
| 06:48.27 | maher | teufel: there is a list of groups in /etc/groups |
| 06:48.30 | concept10 | fooz, yes. weller makes good products, but I have never had to replace a iron tip in 15 years since ive been soldering |
| 06:48.36 | VivekVC | mdh: ok |
| 06:48.39 | fooz | jm_, gone through 2 so far.. one lasted doing my car's wiring, the other only lasted doing the stereo harness |
| 06:48.54 | fooz | which at $10 for a tip (so much cause it includes the catalytic converter bit) it gets costly |
| 06:48.55 | myren | concept10: thats a little extreme. what do you do to maintain your tips? |
| 06:48.57 | mdh | VivekVC: but chances are if you're owned already, you can't trust that box or anything on it, including the snort results |
| 06:49.01 | maher | teufel: i mean /etc/group - it also lists which users are in which group |
| 06:49.13 | teufel | maher so it's never really a good idea to chmod a+wrx to anything cause then anyone can change correct? |
| 06:49.13 | VivekVC | mdh: :( |
| 06:49.17 | glick | hey who is this Emo guy? |
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| 06:49.22 | jla | omi: `rndc querylog` then watch /var/log/daemon.log and dig it |
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| 06:49.24 | myren | eventually i give in and start filing my tips.... goodbye plating, hello more and more plating |
| 06:49.28 | torrent_masters | wazzup |
| 06:49.31 | torrent_masters | um |
| 06:49.39 | torrent_masters | when i try to send with bitchx |
| 06:49.39 | mdh | VivekVC: I was suggesting them earlier as the usual suspects for false positives for promiscuous mode |
| 06:49.43 | torrent_masters | it sends real slow |
| 06:49.57 | myren | ggahhhh, dont do that |
| 06:49.58 | torrent_masters | arg :/ |
| 06:49.59 | fooz | heh |
| 06:50.00 | maher | teufel: usually a+w is not useful, except for /tmp and /dev/null... |
| 06:50.02 | concept10 | myren, sponge and sandpaper - but I have had access to many guns |
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| 06:50.09 | torrent_masters | that was supposed to be silent |
| 06:50.11 | torrent_masters | one sec |
| 06:50.14 | oopsplzforgive | whats that? |
| 06:50.15 | fooz | heh |
| 06:50.17 | glick | who the hell is emo? |
| 06:50.17 | omi | jla whats rndc ? |
| 06:50.25 | jim | aren't those commercial? |
| 06:50.25 | torrent_masters | gomen-ne |
| 06:50.26 | concept10 | torrent_masters, well we know what youre doing tonight |
| 06:50.28 | mdh | !ops torrent_masters is a dcc file spam bot |
| 06:50.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: torrent_masters is a dcc file spam bot |
| 06:50.33 | omi | jla, I'll look up packages.debian.org |
| 06:50.35 | torrent_masters | lol concept10 :D |
| 06:50.46 | myren | concept10: you know most tips come plated... once you start with the sand paper you've pretty much destroyed the tip-proper. |
| 06:50.47 | oopsplzforgive | someone doing dcc.. crazy |
| 06:50.49 | kd5uzz | what package should I install for mysql? apg-get install mysql says there is no candidate. dpkg doesn't list a package that looks right |
| 06:50.50 | torrent_masters | any clue why dcc sending from bitchx would be slow? |
| 06:51.13 | concept10 | myren, I usually dont have to do that |
| 06:51.13 | myren | but damn are wet sponges nice |
| 06:51.15 | mdh | kd5uzz: apt-cache search mysql |
| 06:51.15 | dondelelcaro | torrent_masters: #bitchx |
| 06:51.19 | jla | omi: if you have bind installed you have it in /usr/sbin |
| 06:51.25 | maher | kd5uzz: try apt-cache search mysql |
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| 06:51.27 | jim | any clue why helping you distribute commercial software would be wrong? |
| 06:51.29 | slr_ | ok show how does netstat tell me what application is running on this port for example: 654/tcp open unknown |
| 06:51.33 | torrent_masters | dondelelcaro there is all of one person there -_-; |
| 06:51.34 | concept10 | myren, you dont use sponges? |
| 06:51.38 | torrent_masters | i did go there first :/ |
| 06:51.46 | oopsplzforgive | !ops please forgive mother_fucker didn't realize , maiking a point was considered trolling and bx from remote servers sucks and im sorry ;) |
| 06:51.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please forgive mother_fucker didn't realize , maiking a point was considered trolling and bx from remote servers sucks and im sorry ;) |
| 06:51.50 | myren | oh no, i definately do use em |
| 06:51.57 | jla | omi: have you at least read the DNS-HOWTO? good start. A Bind book is even better. |
| 06:51.59 | teufel | maher: I don't really understand /etc/group it just gives a protocall like root:x:0: wtf does that mean? lol |
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| 06:52.30 | omi | jla, I have bind installed not bind9 which provides rndc, lets try that |
| 06:52.34 | fooz | i kinda want some old carb'd car to play with |
| 06:52.45 | fooz | especially a roadster.. MGB, Triumph, Fiat |
| 06:52.46 | torrent_masters | o.O |
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| 06:52.50 | maher | teufel: that means there is a group called root, and no one is in it ( except root) |
| 06:52.53 | concept10 | fooz, want to buy mine? |
| 06:52.58 | fooz | concept10, wish i had money :/ |
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| 06:53.08 | Coke | Is there a way to list symbols in a shared object? |
| 06:53.08 | myren | My friend got a first gen RX-7. Nice new shiny carb for it too. |
| 06:53.09 | mdh | teufel: man 5 group |
| 06:53.10 | maher | teufel: adm:x:4:maher <-- this means there is a group called adm, and maher is in the group |
| 06:53.13 | slr_ | ok show how does netstat tell me what application is running on this port for example: 654/tcp open unknown??? |
| 06:53.15 | kd5uzz | mdh thanks |
| 06:53.16 | fooz | RX-7s are sweet |
| 06:53.20 | torrent_masters | dondelelcaro could you please shine some light for me? i should be able to send at a few hundred KD :/ but its just 12-20 |
| 06:53.23 | concept10 | Im putting my car on ebay this week, it has to go I need to money |
| 06:53.28 | fooz | though if I got one, it'd be a gen 2 convertible |
| 06:53.29 | myren | Its all about the weight, or lack thereof. His RX-7 is ~2180 lbs. |
| 06:53.31 | fooz | i'd put in a turbo engine |
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| 06:53.35 | dondelelcaro | torrent_masters: so use irssi, not bitchx. |
| 06:53.43 | fooz | myren, yeah.. he have a 1.2 or 1.3 engine? |
| 06:53.48 | liable | concept10: so, did you get arrested in the end? |
| 06:53.55 | myren | i canna remember. |
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| 06:54.03 | concept10 | liable, nope :) |
| 06:54.05 | maher | slr_: use netstat -pant as root |
| 06:54.06 | torrent_masters | dondelelcaro how do i do the purge for it |
| 06:54.06 | jim | turbo is more complexity to go wrong, or is it? |
| 06:54.08 | fooz | hopefully it's a 13b.. 12b is kinda weak |
| 06:54.13 | teufel | maher Ahh... so if more than one user was in the group adm, would it look like adm:x:4:maher:teufel |
| 06:54.15 | teufel | ? |
| 06:54.16 | torrent_masters | i screwed up the config prett bad :/ |
| 06:54.17 | jm_ | fooz: but reading again what you said, mine's totally different, it's electric powered, something ismilar to this, maybe a bit less fancy -- http://www1.conrad.de/m/8000_8999/8100/8100/8105/810550_BB_05_FB.EPS.jpg |
| 06:54.19 | concept10 | liable, the back end of my car is messed up though |
| 06:54.19 | maher | teufel: yes |
| 06:54.24 | fooz | jim, sure, but if I got an RX-7, it wouldn't be for an "old carb'd car" |
| 06:54.33 | fooz | jim, it'd be for a sleeper |
| 06:54.41 | simonrvn | no, adm:x:4:maher,teufel |
| 06:54.42 | jla | omi: oh, 8.4, maybe ndc querylog |
| 06:54.50 | liable | concept10: heh, you just reminded me when you said about your car :P |
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| 06:54.57 | omi | jla, I'm jumping to bind9 |
| 06:55.01 | jm_ | Coke: nm should list that |
| 06:55.08 | teufel | maher: so if I wanted to give the user teufel root power always, could I do root:x:0:teufel |
| 06:55.16 | Coke | jm_: thanks |
| 06:55.17 | fooz | I've got a Miata now, which is a very simple and easy to work on car for being fuel injected |
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| 06:55.22 | jim | how would I go about resetting error codes on a volvo |
| 06:55.23 | simonrvn | teufel: uh, no. |
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| 06:55.26 | concept10 | liable, I have hydraulics in my car and I bounced the batteries really ruff when I was running and it put a dent in my trunk floor |
| 06:55.28 | jla | omi: works for me ;) I haven't used anything but bind9 for quite some time |
| 06:55.33 | simonrvn | teufel: you don't want to do that |
| 06:55.36 | fooz | jim, google for reset ECU volvo |
| 06:55.39 | jetx | okie: i have a capture card. i have the modules loaded. it will function. now how do i use it. |
| 06:55.41 | teufel | simonrvn why? |
| 06:55.42 | liable | concept10: that'll learn ya. |
| 06:55.44 | myren | is there any way to make-kpkg to a different --revision or --append-to-version without having to make[-kpkg] clean? |
| 06:55.52 | concept10 | heh |
| 06:55.53 | omi | jla, well, yesterday at 4am I decided I wanna have a nameserver for my lan, apt-get install bind, think later :) |
| 06:55.58 | jm_ | jim: try finding Volvo service manuals, I've seen a few pop up on torrent tracker sites |
| 06:56.01 | jla | teufel: root power -> use sudo :) |
| 06:56.02 | simonrvn | teu you should never run as root all the time. you might as well go install windows |
| 06:56.06 | myren | RX-7's are hardly sleepers |
| 06:56.13 | concept10 | next car airbags |
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| 06:56.30 | fooz | myren, a convertible Turbo II is.. one was never built that way from the factory |
| 06:56.34 | omi | is this #debian-car channel? or did they make some car gadget that runs debian :) |
| 06:56.41 | jla | omi: that works & makes sense since it is the 'bind' package |
| 06:56.44 | Coke | jm_: I don't understand why my function in this shared object is not in the list of symbols. I have an identical function signature in another shared object and it works just fine. |
| 06:57.02 | omi | jla, rndc ? it is only in bind9 |
| 06:57.04 | myren | they never made turbo convertibles? |
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| 06:57.09 | teufel | what does the number mean in the /etc/group file? like proxy:x:13: |
| 06:57.10 | mdh | teufel: and putting the user into that group doesn't give them any extra power really anyway, since privileged operations have to be done by UID 0 |
| 06:57.11 | fooz | myren, rotaries have massive power potential, but nobody would expect it of an 80s convertible |
| 06:57.16 | myren | the FC's are such sweet cares |
| 06:57.18 | mdh | teufel: man 5 group |
| 06:57.26 | jla | omi: no, installing bind 8 instead of 9 |
| 06:57.26 | myren | s/cares/cars |
| 06:57.35 | simonrvn | teufel: group number. the name maps to the real info, which is the number |
| 06:57.36 | omi | jla, ahh |
| 06:57.42 | liable | fooz: they use shitloads of fuel too. |
| 06:57.44 | fooz | myren, nope. 2nd gen RX-7s were NA, turbo, or NA convertible |
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| 06:57.52 | goobit | are there anything I can use to synchronize fish directories? |
| 06:58.04 | simonrvn | teufel: the computer sees the number. name service switch and other stuff do the mapping |
| 06:58.06 | jm_ | Coke: are you talking about shared library? |
| 06:58.28 | simonrvn | teufel: take a look at /etc/nsswitch.conf for kicks |
| 06:58.30 | Coke | jm_: yep. |
| 06:58.49 | fooz | liable, no worse than any other non-economy-car built today, probably |
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| 06:59.02 | jm_ | Coke: nm -D lists it |
| 06:59.10 | goobit | i guess I'll have to pipe that too.. |
| 06:59.14 | myren | fooz: you'd need to find a "new" engine for your convertible... not that thats altogether that hard |
| 06:59.28 | myren | i suppose you could just slap a turbo on, but most cars really dont like that |
| 06:59.29 | fooz | myren, nah. used is fine. rotary is small enough that I would attempt rebuilding it myself |
| 06:59.31 | kd5uzz | teufel ask yourself why you need root. You may be able to make do with simply 'su'-ing to root and doing it, or even sudo <command> to do it. Some things can be setup to allow all users to do it (ejecting a drive, mounting a filesystem, etc) |
| 06:59.36 | teufel | so if I wanted to get a user access to change html files, which group would I put them into? |
| 06:59.39 | Coke | jm_: They are Python modules. One has it's init functions symbol nicely exposed, the other has not and I don't know why. I don't need -D for the first shared lib to show me the init symbol. |
| 06:59.47 | Skiver | how can i mount a USB hdd with ntfs ? |
| 06:59.50 | fooz | myren, they're very small and lightweight |
| 06:59.52 | myren | rotaries arent that bad at rebuilding. especially if you have an engine hoist or whatever the f they're called |
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| 07:00.03 | fooz | hehe. i wouldn't even bother with the hoist |
| 07:00.22 | myren | arg, i still cant figure out how to keep from having to make clean my kernel after making small stupid changes |
| 07:00.27 | fooz | the motor probably weighs half of my miata's 1.8L cylinder engine, and that was almost light enough to pick up |
| 07:00.29 | myren | i really dont want to wait the 10 minute again |
| 07:00.34 | simonrvn | teufel: apt-get install rutebook, and start reading |
| 07:00.45 | kd5uzz | teufel add them to the group that owns the files...or (better idea if the group is 'root') change the group of the files to the user's group |
| 07:00.50 | myren | someone put a 3 rotor into an RX-8. Sooooo sweet. |
| 07:01.01 | myren | + a nice meatty turbo |
| 07:01.04 | fooz | myren, I heard :) also with a J-port. making somewhere around 1000hp |
| 07:01.13 | fooz | or 1500 |
| 07:01.36 | mdh | fooz: and that thing gets traction? |
| 07:01.41 | kd5uzz | teufel I have a group called webmaster. files on the http server are owned by that group. If someone wants to edit the site I had them to that group |
| 07:02.10 | Guerin | mdh: the weight of the engine is sure to bear down enough load on the tyres |
| 07:02.18 | teufel | kd5uzz ok, I understand that, but how do you point the webmaster group to have access to the directory you want? Or is that done with chmod? |
| 07:02.20 | Guerin | oh wait |
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| 07:02.22 | fooz | mdh, i'm sure it makes enough? it's not a V12, the torque band is linear |
| 07:02.23 | mdh | teufel: never make the group the one the web server runs as, for security reasons |
| 07:02.34 | mdh | Guerin: not with 1000hp |
| 07:02.43 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:02.52 | Guerin | a light 1000hp engine, wtf |
| 07:02.55 | teufel | mdh: what you mean? |
| 07:03.03 | fooz | mdh, it's possible to have 1000hp without having enough power to break free the tires |
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| 07:03.07 | Guerin | lead bricks and fat tyres then |
| 07:03.22 | myren | the Renesis engine (RX-8) is not as light as it should have been |
| 07:03.29 | kd5uzz | teufel chgrp webmaster *.html would do it |
| 07:03.32 | fooz | mdh, it's a function of torque @ RPM / 5252 |
| 07:03.40 | myren | speaking of lead bricks, i need some frakking deep cycle batteries for my car. what do i need besides a battery isolator for that? |
| 07:04.29 | fooz | and rotaries are very high revving |
| 07:04.32 | teufel | kd5uzz: but there are .css, and .php files that I want them to edit too, is there just a way to give the webmaster group access to a directory and all subfolders? |
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| 07:04.58 | omi | jla, did that, no output from bind is appended even if I try to dig an invalid domain |
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| 07:05.11 | kd5uzz | teufel figure out what user the web server runs as...figure out what group that user belongs to. Don't change the group of the files to that group. If you 'addgroup webmaster' (i.e. create a group that didn't exist before) you'll be fine. |
| 07:05.27 | mdh | fooz: oh... yeah, sorry, I was confusing hp and torque |
| 07:06.02 | mdh | fooz: I was watching a show with funny guys strapping modified R30's into small cars and building custom intercoolers etc... they had 800Nm at the wheels |
| 07:06.06 | myren | when grub loads a kernel, it just opens and uncompresses the entire kernel right? because like i says, i pooched my kernel and would like to try and boot linux from a kernel image on my windows partition... would that work? |
| 07:06.23 | fooz | mdh, a 1500hp rotary would probably be making 800-900 lb-ft at the top of the power band, but a more manageable 150-400lb-ft at low RPMs |
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| 07:06.27 | Guerin | myren: just use a bootdisk |
| 07:06.33 | fooz | if i added right |
| 07:06.40 | kd5uzz | teufel permissions are per directory and per file. You could actually chgrp webmaster * -R from the directory your website is stored in and it would change the group for all files and directories below it. To be honest I'm not sure if there are any gotchas with doing that. You could also chgrp the actual htdocs folder |
| 07:06.44 | myren | Guerin: laptop without cd-rom without boot-disk. :( |
| 07:07.12 | Guerin | myren: and you fucked your kernel without having a spare? HAHAHAHA |
| 07:07.19 | myren | Guerin: I had to install linux using a USB 1.1 hard drive enclosure |
| 07:07.22 | myren | it sucked |
| 07:07.24 | fooz | a mustang is probably making 300lb-ft at 3000-4000rpm? I guess |
| 07:07.28 | kd5uzz | teufel In fact I don't think your webmasters could create new files if you didn't chgrp the html root |
| 07:07.40 | myren | Guerin: yeah, about that. still, this plan doesnt sound /all/ that bad. |
| 07:07.48 | kd5uzz | teufel does that make sense? |
| 07:07.53 | Schiz0 | teufel- chgroup -R ? |
| 07:07.54 | mdh | myren: as long as the kernel sits somewhere in the first 1024 cylinders, you should be fine |
| 07:08.01 | mdh | myren: grub doesn't care |
| 07:08.02 | Guerin | myren: well, if grub's smart enough to read vfat you might get away with it |
| 07:08.05 | fooz | rotaries are cool as hell though, i want one |
| 07:08.15 | jim | myren: might work if grub can be made to understand the workings of your windows filesystem |
| 07:08.26 | myren | grub cna read frakking reiserfs |
| 07:08.29 | Guerin | fooz: 'f it's not a rota, it's not a mota |
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| 07:08.32 | jla | omi: sorry, I was looking at something else |
| 07:08.34 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:08.36 | myren | it better be able to do vfat |
| 07:08.37 | teufel | kd5uzz I think so... so I want to addgroup webmaster, then edit webmaster group in /etc to include users I want to have acces, then I do a chgroup /foo/bar -r |
| 07:08.42 | Guerin | myren: can't read xfs without help though |
| 07:08.46 | jla | omi: dig <blah> @localhost |
| 07:08.47 | Guerin | myren: for instance |
| 07:08.48 | mdh | myren: it can do vfat but not ntfs |
| 07:08.51 | teufel | kd5uzz and then they will have access to do stuff if I chmod it correctly for group? |
| 07:08.53 | myren | otherwise i'm gonna be pissed!!! pissedddd. ;) |
| 07:08.58 | fooz | i like mazda a lot. they make good stuff |
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| 07:09.02 | myren | mdh: oh SHIT..... rummage rummage rummage.... |
| 07:09.09 | jim | reiser has some disaster reports associated... total data loss |
| 07:09.11 | mdh | myren: it "just works" |
| 07:09.12 | fooz | silly of them to no longer have a turbo RX car though :/ |
| 07:09.16 | jla | omi: also, did it put 'querylog on' into daemon.log when you ran that command? |
| 07:09.21 | kd5uzz | teufel yep, except I think there are tools so that you don't have to edit the groups file |
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| 07:09.38 | myren | fooz: silly of them to no longer have an RX-7. ;") |
| 07:09.39 | fooz | i wouldn't trade my '90 miata in for anything.. except a '94 miata |
| 07:09.45 | teufel | kd5uzz: ah like a command to add "blabla" user to the group webmaster? |
| 07:09.57 | Guerin | jim: that said, i've been running ricer4 on this box at work - with a poweroff every night, no less - for a couple or three weeks without problems, now. |
| 07:10.00 | mdh | myren: just set the root so grub can find its stuff, then "kernel hd(x,y)/where/it/lives |
| 07:10.03 | myren | i just cant stomach the miata. too many bad gran turismo memories |
| 07:10.04 | omi | jla, ok, I'll try that, but question first: isit not the same if I do from another box dig fake domain @dnsip |
| 07:10.07 | mdh | myren: and "boot" it |
| 07:10.09 | kd5uzz | teufel yeah, I'm looking for it.. |
| 07:10.12 | Guerin | jim: i cal it 'stress testing' |
| 07:10.20 | jim | not bad |
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| 07:10.29 | fooz | myren, ??? the miata's a great starting car in gran turismo.. cheap and it beats most of the stupid econo boxes in the low level races :) |
| 07:10.30 | jim | but you back up too, right? :) |
| 07:10.32 | myren | mdh: yeah, thats what i was thinking |
| 07:10.34 | Guerin | jim: not this box |
| 07:10.36 | omi | jla, no it didn't :( |
| 07:10.38 | fooz | myren, I decided to BUY the car after playing that game :) |
| 07:10.39 | Guerin | jim: it's just for breaking |
| 07:10.45 | jla | omi: from another system I'd dig <somewhere> @landnsserverip, but doing @localhost on the one machine seems safer |
| 07:10.49 | myren | it was always just tooo slow for me |
| 07:10.59 | myren | it is RWD right? |
| 07:11.00 | jla | omi: is bind9 running? any logs in /var/log/daemon.log about bind? |
| 07:11.01 | fooz | myren, you should try driving one IRL if you haven't. it's just too fun (unless you're tall) |
| 07:11.05 | jim | oic, so you're using it to test reiser4 among other things |
| 07:11.11 | myren | i'm 6'1" |
| 07:11.16 | Guerin | jim: gentoo being one of the other things |
| 07:11.30 | myren | i understand the appeal. i'm sure they handle like the dickens. |
| 07:11.33 | fooz | myren, yes, RWD, 50/50 weight distribution, high revving motor, and probably one of the best transmissions ever put in a japanese car |
| 07:11.41 | omi | jla, ok, let me try in a second, I'm just making that box a bit faster; yeah bind is running, otherwise I would not get any response, (I tried stopping it and checking later if I get something, but no) |
| 07:11.45 | jim | how long will the study last? |
| 07:11.47 | teufel | kd5uzz: Ok, here is something annoying that I don't get, when I edit a file via 'nano' I make all my changes just to realize that I did it using an account that doesn't have access to write to the file. Is there a way to su in the middle of an edit to make the changes? |
| 07:11.58 | myren | thank god i was NOT a moron. this windows partition is Fat32. |
| 07:11.58 | Guerin | jim: until something breaks so horribly that I can't fix it |
| 07:12.02 | fooz | myren, you may not fit in one. i'm 6'0 |
| 07:12.09 | myren | heh |
| 07:12.09 | Guerin | jim: ie: pretty fucking horribly |
| 07:12.16 | fooz | myren, a lot of it in the torso |
| 07:12.17 | myren | the upper limits at 6-0 eh? |
| 07:12.26 | fooz | myren, if you've got super long legs you won't fit |
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| 07:12.39 | fooz | myren, yeah pretty much |
| 07:12.45 | kd5uzz | teufel it looks like you could 'usermod -G webmasters teufel' |
| 07:12.53 | jim | and if nothing breaks, what, a year or so? |
| 07:12.57 | fooz | myren, newer miatas are bigger than mine (slightly) |
| 07:13.01 | myren | wish the damned G35's were lighter... they'd be awsome cars if they didnt way 3400 pounds. no reason such a simple car needs to weigh so damned much |
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| 07:13.06 | Guerin | jim: well, i finish work here in feb 2006 |
| 07:13.07 | teufel | kd5uzz: ah, thanks |
| 07:13.12 | fooz | myren, it's a nissan. nissan doesn't know what they're doing |
| 07:13.20 | kd5uzz | teufel np |
| 07:13.33 | myren | yeah, they certainly ruined the skyline name as fast as they could |
| 07:13.38 | teufel | kd5uzz any idea on that nano question? |
| 07:13.43 | fooz | myren, anyway, ALL of their cars have the VQ35DE. just pick a different body, keep the same engine for free... |
| 07:14.01 | jim | so this is reiser4 in a gentoo? |
| 07:14.06 | omi | jla, I'm completely baffled, I deleted default gw, made sure there's only local ip in resolv.conf and when I do dig domain @localhost , I still get the cached answer WITH BIND NOT RUNNING |
| 07:14.09 | kd5uzz | teufel I didn't see it, nano is my editor of choice, but I don't know much abt it :-/ |
| 07:14.22 | teufel | kd5uzz: Ok, here is something annoying that I don't get, when I edit a file via 'nano' I make all my changes just to realize that I did it using an account that doesn't have access to write to the file. Is there a way to su in the middle of an edit to make the changes? |
| 07:14.29 | omi | jla, when bind is running I see the named process |
| 07:14.31 | Guerin | jim: i'm in debian at the moment because my gentoo kernel tools won't compile a functional ricer4 kernel |
| 07:14.45 | teufel | kd5uzz: np if you don't know... it's kind of stupid to try and edit a conf file being a user that doesn't have access anyway |
| 07:14.50 | fooz | myren, i'm a fan of the SR20DET and the RB26DETT, and all the cars they put those in |
| 07:14.54 | Guerin | jim: i haven't had much time local here recently |
| 07:14.57 | kd5uzz | teufel when I do that (and I do it a fair amount) I just save it to my home dir, exit, su, cp to where it needs to go |
| 07:15.20 | jla | omi: but when as root you ran `rndc querylog` did you get " named[<process>]: query logging is now on" in daemon.log? |
| 07:15.26 | omi | no |
| 07:15.44 | myren | fooz: the SR20DET's are just soo overpriced. The 240SX would be very fun with a good SR20, but after dumping the ton of cash into the engine swap, you get hit with INSANE insurance |
| 07:15.44 | kd5uzz | teufel pain in the butt I know, but I don't know any way around it. You'd have to change the UID of the proccess, I don't think *nix can do that |
| 07:15.44 | jla | do you see anything in daemon.log about bind starting when you start it? |
| 07:15.58 | teufel | kd5uzz: makes sense, thanks |
| 07:16.00 | myren | Besides the skyline, what else takes a RB26DETT? |
| 07:16.02 | kd5uzz | yep |
| 07:16.02 | fooz | myren, ton of cash for a swap?? more like $400 |
| 07:16.08 | resiak | kd5uzz: Sure it can. That's what su does. :) |
| 07:16.11 | fooz | myren, the Stagea (Skyline wagon) |
| 07:16.18 | myren | the red top engines are like $6000 |
| 07:16.21 | fooz | i want a stagea :( |
| 07:16.23 | teufel | kd5uzz: so if I wanted to, couldn't I make a group and then chmod my root directory to give more users access to everything? |
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| 07:16.25 | myren | the good 240 hp ones |
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| 07:16.27 | kd5uzz | resiak su can change the UID of a nano session currently running? |
| 07:16.32 | resiak | teufel: Do not do that! |
| 07:16.39 | jim | omi: so there's something other than bind running |
| 07:16.42 | kd5uzz | teufel bad idea!! |
| 07:16.42 | teufel | resiak: lol... |
| 07:17.02 | teufel | kd5uzz: but I could right... not that I wanted to or anything... ;-) |
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| 07:17.12 | Monsibram | how can i write .avi to svcd with debian? |
| 07:17.16 | Guerin | teufel: do not chmod / EVER |
| 07:17.22 | Guerin | Monsibram: mencoder |
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| 07:17.33 | kd5uzz | teufel all it would take is one program to have one bug in it and you loose the entire system. In windows if you try to format C: it won't let you..in linux if you rm -r / it WON"T stop you |
| 07:17.40 | fooz | myren, you can get an SR20 from a junk yard really cheap.. front clips of DETs shouldn't be more than $1000 |
| 07:17.42 | omi | jim, hmm, I think the old instance of bind8 wasn't killed!!! |
| 07:17.55 | fooz | myren, i wouldn't buy a NEW one.. kinda pointless seeing as they're bulletproof |
| 07:17.56 | myren | omg, that stagea is so crack-tacular |
| 07:18.02 | kd5uzz | teufel yeah, maybe. Some programs won't run/install if permissions are not 'sane' |
| 07:18.07 | omi | jim, ahh, better no response :) |
| 07:18.16 | jla | omi: and there was probably an error about bind9 being unable to bind (ha ha) to the port |
| 07:18.20 | fooz | myren, one with like ~30k mi on it would be fine, it still won't need a rebuild until past 120k |
| 07:18.26 | ircdevil | thanks heaven for backups ... i just wiped my development dir by accident! |
| 07:18.28 | fooz | unless you're doing something ridiculous with it |
| 07:18.29 | omi | lol!!! |
| 07:18.32 | omi | nice one |
| 07:18.44 | kd5uzz | teufel and that is NOT something you can undo... if you try it and it doesn't work right, you get to reinstall |
| 07:18.46 | ircdevil | backup works :o) |
| 07:18.48 | jim | omi: yeah, should say "connection refused" in that case |
| 07:18.50 | Guerin | fooz: omfg, u cn spel rediculous corecttly |
| 07:18.58 | resiak | kd5uzz: No. I was saying that there is a way to do it. (Oh, and what you do is that you bind a macro in $EDITOR to do "Save to /tmp, then run su /usr/local/bin/script-you-write, which mvs the new version of the file into place then fires up $EDITOR again, as root.) |
| 07:19.02 | fooz | Guerin, k thx |
| 07:19.06 | myren | fooz: most of the SR20's are pretty weak motors, performance wise. You kind of need to get one of the higher performance makes. |
| 07:19.17 | kd5uzz | resiak I like that! |
| 07:19.24 | fooz | myren, anyone who fits one is going to be modifying things anyway (new turbo, new head..) |
| 07:19.39 | omi | I see my problem, bind9 created /etc/init.d/bind9 and I was trying to use /etc/init.d/bind :( |
| 07:19.41 | myren | omg i want a stagea so bad |
| 07:19.42 | omi | so stupid of me |
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| 07:19.43 | fooz | myren, keep in mind that the newer ones don't have as much low-end torque as earlier ones |
| 07:19.50 | resiak | kd5uzz: Bit hacky, not perfect, but the other solution is install your editor SUID and hack it to be able to elevate its privs. |
| 07:19.58 | fooz | myren, instead they have a higher redline.. trying to imitate honda i guess |
| 07:20.10 | fooz | myren, ends up with higher horsepower but probably not as much get up and go |
| 07:20.13 | kd5uzz | resiak not my idea of a good idea. the script idea would at least require root PW |
| 07:20.13 | jim | yeeah, heln redy spels it that way! |
| 07:20.23 | jm_ | actually VTEC engines have good pickup |
| 07:20.24 | Guerin | kd5uzz: or sudo |
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| 07:20.40 | kd5uzz | Guerin that also |
| 07:20.41 | resiak | kd5uzz: Of course the real answer is to use vim, which warns you in big red letters. |
| 07:20.50 | jm_ | Coke: is this built from the same sources or what? |
| 07:20.55 | Monsibram | Guerin, but mencoder cant write cds |
| 07:21.00 | kd5uzz | resiak but I like pico :-) |
| 07:21.07 | resiak | kd5uzz: No, because you make the priv-escalation code you write check the password. |
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| 07:21.20 | resiak | kd5uzz: Write an on-start macro to check? |
| 07:21.22 | l4vim | enybody know how long format of 36GB SCSI hard-drive can take ? |
| 07:21.29 | fooz | myren, SR20DEs are common even here though.. they're in Sentra classics, G20s, and various other cars |
| 07:21.32 | Guerin | Monsibram: it can make files which you can burn to cd with k3b |
| 07:21.41 | l4vim | by LSI raid controller |
| 07:21.41 | fooz | my brother has a G20 |
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| 07:21.41 | kd5uzz | resiak not bad |
| 07:21.44 | Guerin | kd5uzz: are you serious? |
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| 07:21.55 | fooz | lots of body stiffening and some good tires.. turns better than my miata |
| 07:22.01 | kd5uzz | Guerin ? |
| 07:22.14 | teufel | kd5uzz: geeze ok, I'll never do that hehe |
| 07:22.23 | Guerin | < kd5uzz> resiak but I like pico :-) |
| 07:22.24 | kd5uzz | Guerin I do not plan on doing any of this..its just a thought |
| 07:22.27 | jla | l4vim: I wouldn't expect 36GB to take long unless it's low level or slow |
| 07:22.33 | kd5uzz | teufel glad to hear it :-) |
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| 07:22.52 | capi | capi: I can't figure this out. I have two linksys routers. One is connected to the modem(#1) and one is connected to #1(#2). #2 has two windows computers and the network works fine. #1 has three linux (ubuntu/debian) boxes, only the local networks work. Everything just suddenly broke today with no reason, A fresh install won't work, and rebooting the router to system defaults doesn't work. Any thoughts? Another thing, now I can't connect to |
| 07:22.52 | capi | [02:18] mebaran151: because they run off the cd |
| 07:22.52 | fooz | however its FWD-ness keeps him from being able to do major work on it himself.. last tranny shop didn't do everything quite right, and there seem to be bushings missing.. transmission goes *thud* a lot |
| 07:23.10 | teufel | kd5uzz: lol... it just gets annoying I guess but I'm used to the whole windows way of doing things where you don't have to protect yourself... from yourself |
| 07:23.37 | resiak | Guerin: Damn, you agree that vim is preferable to pico? |
| 07:23.44 | Guerin | resiak: absolutely. |
| 07:24.00 | omi | jla, I'm now getting from dig >>HEADER<< opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL which is better at least than giving me cached up entry |
| 07:24.13 | capi | resiak, I agree also |
| 07:24.14 | kd5uzz | teufel it won't take long until you don't even think about it anymore. I used to login as root..not anymore, I can login as my user and su when needed faster than logging in as root, then out, then in, etc |
| 07:24.34 | teufel | kd5uzz: hehe yeah |
| 07:24.49 | resiak | capi: But the point is that Guerin is an Emacs l00s3r :) |
| 07:24.49 | omi | jla, would I be able to server a domain.ca for lan without giving that box access to internet? |
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| 07:24.52 | l4vim | jla : it's low level - this is why I ask ;) |
| 07:25.15 | jla | l4vim: a long time :) Sorry, I don't know how long. |
| 07:25.16 | omi | jla, to rephrase: does my DNS server have to be able to communicate with top level dns servers? |
| 07:25.19 | Guerin | resiak: spoken like a true vidiot |
| 07:25.40 | omi | jla, in order to serve for my lan |
| 07:25.45 | myren | the only thing that REALLY matters for turning is weight: how much and how low |
| 07:25.48 | jla | omi: no, and I don't believe it will even try if it thinks it's authorative for a domain. |
| 07:25.57 | capi | resiak, ah.. wow thats weird. |
| 07:26.07 | omi | jla, ok |
| 07:26.07 | simonrvn | you people are *still* talking about cars? sheesh |
| 07:26.18 | l4vim | jla : ahh.. until I irerrupt it my drive is not avaible (errors when I try to make partition for example) |
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| 07:26.27 | teufel | when I do a ls -l, what does the 'd' mean before the 'rwx' stuff? |
| 07:26.34 | resiak | teufel: "directory" |
| 07:26.35 | omi | jla, I'm still need to figure out why it doesn't log |
| 07:26.35 | resiak | teufel: man ls |
| 07:26.36 | simonrvn | directory |
| 07:26.36 | Schiz0 | teufel- it means its a dir |
| 07:26.41 | teufel | ahh |
| 07:26.57 | l4vim | jla : so I hope that when I wait to the end, this starts works |
| 07:27.11 | teufel | god I feel like such an idiot... I hate this feeling of being so behind everyone :-| |
| 07:27.17 | deadcat | why isnt transset and xcompmgr comes into incomming.d.o with xorg? |
| 07:27.24 | jla | omi: that is strange, maybe sysklogd needs a restart or something |
| 07:27.25 | capi | anyone have even a guess at my problem? |
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| 07:27.45 | Coke | jm_: no, different sources. |
| 07:27.56 | Coke | jm_: someone suggested it'd gotten optimized away. |
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| 07:28.32 | simonrvn | holy fuck, amazing. xorg shit in incoming... |
| 07:28.44 | jm_ | heh |
| 07:28.45 | jla | l4vim: I've only played with software raid and filesystem level formats on them. Those were quick and I didn't have to wait for the formats or partitions to be mirrored before I could do the next step. low level formats on hardware raid is something I know nothing about. Good luck |
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| 07:29.12 | jm_ | Coke: new versions of gcc/ld are smarter, and can decided you don't need it exported |
| 07:29.28 | deadcat | simonrvn: just today. this morning i was using !xorg debs |
| 07:29.30 | simonrvn | deadcat: could be in some other package, like xbase-clients, or xutils or something |
| 07:29.40 | Coke | jm_: can I force it? |
| 07:29.45 | jla | l4vim: (I was using lvm so they weren't "real" partitions) |
| 07:29.48 | jm_ | yeah the feller has a note on Planet Debian about it |
| 07:29.53 | omi | jla, another question, when I'm doing SOA entry, I put ns.mydomain.ca and then later have A entry for ns.mydomain pointing to itself will that work? |
| 07:30.10 | deadcat | simonrvn: nah. i think the pkg is transset and xcompmgr |
| 07:30.16 | l4vim | jla: ah, thank you |
| 07:30.25 | Guerin | simonrvn: gravity is apparently the man |
| 07:30.36 | Guerin | simonrvn: the packages install and work cleanly on sid, too |
| 07:30.36 | ecobit | hello, i can connect with "ircII user localhost:5555" but when I try "irssi -c localhost -p 5555" it fails with "Unable to connect server localhost port 5555 Cannot assign requested address" any ideas why? |
| 07:30.41 | Coke | jm_: any keywords I should google for? gcc ld export gives me alot to read. |
| 07:30.42 | simonrvn | yes, he's done a lot for that |
| 07:30.47 | simonrvn | nice |
| 07:30.53 | omi | jla, WOW, I discovered there was no sysklogd on that box! |
| 07:31.07 | simonrvn | well, i tried his repo on people.d.o, worked out nicely |
| 07:31.14 | jla | omi: yes, but it would be good to nave ns.mydomain.ca in hosts too |
| 07:31.17 | Schiz0 | ecobit- try irsso -c 127.0.0.1 -p 5555 |
| 07:31.19 | teufel | kd5uzz: thanks so much man, I seem to be creating groups for a lot of stuff that I needed to do. It finally cleared up the frustration I was having with having to chmod a+wrx my web folder everytime I wanted to add something |
| 07:31.36 | Schiz0 | ecobit- (Just guessing on that) |
| 07:31.40 | jla | omi: /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 07:31.53 | jm_ | Coke: seen this http://www.nedprod.com/programs/gccvisibility.html ? |
| 07:31.56 | simonrvn | teufel: ugh. avoid a+w if at all possible. groups and g+w are nice things |
| 07:32.02 | kd5uzz | teufel no problem, I'm glad its working |
| 07:32.06 | omi | jla, no I think my friend was trying to make the box boot as fast as possible thus removing all loging |
| 07:32.09 | Coke | jm_: no, thank's. |
| 07:32.11 | omi | had to install sysklogd |
| 07:32.15 | ecobit | Schiz0: and your guess was wrong |
| 07:32.24 | Schiz0 | Eh, I tried. |
| 07:32.34 | teufel | simonrvn: yeah, kd5uzz just helped me learn how to do that... it's much better heh |
| 07:32.36 | Schiz0 | No idea on that. |
| 07:32.39 | omi | YEAH, named logs! |
| 07:32.42 | jla | omi: a little hard to troubleshoot stuff without that |
| 07:32.48 | ecobit | me neither. |
| 07:33.04 | omi | I KNOW!!! |
| 07:33.12 | omi | oh look at the time 3:33 |
| 07:33.13 | simonrvn | teufel: i still recommend you reading rutebook. teach you a lot about *nix stuff |
| 07:33.16 | teufel | kd5uzz: can I assign more than one group to a file? |
| 07:33.22 | ecobit | maybe 6668 is reserved in the config or something... |
| 07:33.26 | empty | Anyone aware of any known bugs with the NFS implementation in Sarge? |
| 07:33.28 | kd5uzz | teufel I don't think so |
| 07:33.31 | ecobit | i will try another port... |
| 07:33.32 | teufel | simonrvn: ok, I just apt-get it ? |
| 07:33.36 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:33.42 | dondelelcaro | empty: if there are, they will be in the bts. |
| 07:33.42 | Guerin | ecobit: bts will know |
| 07:33.43 | Coke | jm_: my working SO doesn't look anything like those examples. I don't have tons of ifdefs. |
| 07:34.00 | omi | jla, ALLRIGHT!! it found a mistake , it works now, I love you jla! |
| 07:34.16 | capi | capi: I can't figure this out. I have two linksys routers. One is connected to the modem(#1) and one is connected to #1(#2). #2 has two windows computers and the network works fine. #1 has three linux (ubuntu/debian) boxes, only the local networks work. Everything just suddenly broke today with no reason, A fresh install won't work, and rebooting the router to system defaults doesn't work. Any thoughts? Another thing, now I can't connect to |
| 07:34.16 | Coke | jm_: the only difference is that the new makefile uses the implicit compile targets. |
| 07:34.20 | teufel | kd5uzz: well say I wanted to give webmasters access to /foo/bar , but I wanted another group "blabla" to be able to edit only .html files in /foo/bar |
| 07:34.25 | empty | dondelelcaro, unsure what package to hunt for- nfs-common? |
| 07:34.27 | jla | omi: cool beans. night |
| 07:34.36 | ecobit | Guerin: thanks. will check. |
| 07:34.43 | Guerin | capi: what does 'don't work' constitute in this context? |
| 07:34.45 | ecobit | cause other ports give the same problem |
| 07:34.54 | jm_ | Coke: you don't always need them, but check man pages if there are any switches (i.e. man ld mentions --export-dynamic) |
| 07:34.56 | dondelelcaro | empty: that's a start. Depends on which nfs implementation you're talking about. |
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| 07:35.10 | omi | jla, thanks a lot, now to setup hostnames for VMs :) |
| 07:35.13 | teufel | says it can't find rutebook |
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| 07:35.18 | empty | dondelelcaro, nfsclient, specifically talking to a 4.x series EMC |
| 07:35.21 | simonrvn | need non-free |
| 07:35.25 | jm_ | Coke: likewise there's --export-all-symbols |
| 07:35.45 | dondelelcaro | empty: which kernel?? |
| 07:36.05 | empty | dondelelcaro, Several times it has locked up on a mount (EG df and other calls just hang like a spoft timeout despite other shares on the same IP being unfazed |
| 07:36.14 | jla | teufel: you cant assign more than one group with normal unix permissions. There are access control list (ACL) patches for different filesystems. I've never used them. |
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| 07:36.22 | empty | dondelelcaro, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 07:36.26 | omi | Are there any tools to stress test my lan DNS server? |
| 07:36.31 | jla | teufel: (make a file part of more than one group) |
| 07:36.36 | Coke | jm_: isn't there an easy way to tell it that this particular symbol needs to be visible? |
| 07:36.56 | dondelelcaro | empty: check the kernel package, since that's what has the client. However, when it hangs, you're going to want to figure out what is happening. |
| 07:36.59 | ecobit | Guerin: i see nothing relevant at bts under irssi-text... |
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| 07:37.18 | Coke | jm_: --export-dynamic didn't do it. |
| 07:37.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how you get the @debian.org email? |
| 07:37.29 | jm_ | Coke: man page says it defaults to exporting all of them |
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| 07:37.35 | empty | dondelelcaro, I know but I get no good logs or anything it just... stops. |
| 07:37.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's forwarded |
| 07:37.48 | deadcat | o |
| 07:37.51 | teufel | ok here is another n00b question: how can I add another user to the machine? |
| 07:37.55 | jla | teufel: you may have more options if people aren't editing in a shell, for example if they are editing off-server and uploading via http you can use FilesMatch from apache. |
| 07:38.01 | deadcat | teufel: adduser |
| 07:38.02 | dondelelcaro | empty: the issue is that it's quite difficult to debug the connection esp. since the server is proprietary |
| 07:38.06 | Guerin | teufel: i'd use two groups, one for webmasters and one for htmlworthy users, make the webmaster group own the files and run a frequent cronjob to change the ownership of *.html in that dir to gid otherusers |
| 07:38.11 | teufel | deadcat: lol thanks |
| 07:38.18 | Coke | jm_: oh, if only I knew why that function isn't exported. |
| 07:38.18 | Guerin | teufel: rather than fucking around with acls and shit |
| 07:38.21 | jim | !info openacs |
| 07:38.25 | empty | dondelelcaro, tell me about it |
| 07:38.31 | resiak | Guerin: But since most editors don't edit files in-place, that won't work well :) |
| 07:38.48 | jm_ | Coke: is it referenced by anything? |
| 07:38.52 | Guerin | resiak: oh, right |
| 07:39.02 | ecobit | ah |
| 07:39.02 | jla | you may be able to do something like that with sudoedit too |
| 07:39.09 | teufel | Guerin: ah ok... cronjob though? |
| 07:39.09 | resiak | Guerin: That's why I didn't suggest it. |
| 07:39.10 | Guerin | resiak: here's a great opportunity for all users to use sed -i! |
| 07:39.16 | Coke | jm_: no, it's suposed to be used dynamically from Python |
| 07:39.19 | resiak | !lart Guerin |
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| 07:39.36 | Guerin | teufel: it's a non-starter unless you use symlinks into another dir or similar trickery |
| 07:40.03 | jm_ | Coke: did you read man ld, section for --export-dynamic where it talks about this? |
| 07:40.11 | ecobit | i had set hostname in the config to an invalid value, causing the error in irssi |
| 07:40.16 | Guerin | teufel: basically, you're best off just having one big group for web users, and threatening to kill anyone who abuses their privileges |
| 07:40.23 | jm_ | Coke: also try using --export-all-symbols |
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| 07:40.57 | empty | Guerin, chown, chgrp, and iron fist- the three rules of *nix permission enforcement |
| 07:40.59 | Coke | jm_: I tried using --export-dynamic, made no difference. also, the first SO worked fine without anything referencing that method. |
| 07:41.09 | Guerin | empty: deluser is the other one |
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| 07:41.21 | empty | Guerin, See also: iron fist |
| 07:41.22 | teufel | Guerin: lol ok |
| 07:41.43 | Guerin | empty: heh. I always figure iron fist to be a more ... material deterrent. |
| 07:42.33 | empty | Guerin, su user "echo \"I boned your daughter you sycophantic prick\" | mail -s \"Hey asshole\" ceo@localhost.localdomain" is better |
| 07:42.40 | teufel | kd5uzz: sorry, what was that command to add a user to a specific group again? |
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| 07:42.49 | myren | oh f-ing hell. the grub thing worked, but i need to make yet another kernel with vfat built in so i can mount my windows drive and copy the kernel-image over to the system |
| 07:42.50 | Coke | jm_: export-all-symbols did not do the trick. |
| 07:42.57 | Guerin | empty: muhahaha |
| 07:43.18 | simonrvn | with a quote from BOFH |
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| 07:43.56 | jm_ | Coke: maybe it's worth comparing both SO-s then |
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| 07:44.26 | Coke | jm_: why? they are generated from totally different code and do different things. |
| 07:44.38 | Coke | jm_: all I know is that the function signatures are the same. |
| 07:44.42 | Guerin | whee, hometime |
| 07:44.50 | jm_ | Coke: sure, I understand that - but compiler/linker flags, and particular symbol in question |
| 07:44.50 | omi | speaking of bofh, let's check if a new one came out |
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| 07:45.24 | empty | I <3 BOFH |
| 07:45.27 | omi | :) |
| 07:45.38 | Blue9 | The BOFH is great. |
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| 07:45.58 | empty | I keep hoping to find a waffle iron in a thrift store so I can put it on a rack in the datacenter and label it "Mark III" |
| 07:46.03 | omi | yeah, lets all send Simon a thank you letter for entertaining geek community |
| 07:46.30 | kodek | hi people. ive problems with my port 25. apparently, my isp blocked it. i asked for it to be unblocked, and it looks like mail servers can get through, but nobody else can telnet into it. what could be causing this problem? |
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| 07:47.00 | teufel | Here is a question I've been wondering about: Is debian a LOT different from other distros? Like if I become proficient on debian, will I be totally lost using like redhat? |
| 07:47.04 | Blue9 | kodek: Do you have a firewall running on your PC? |
| 07:47.08 | kodek | i tested it by making netcat listen on port 25, and sending an email to myself, and having people telnet into it. |
| 07:47.16 | Blue9 | teufel: Apart from Apt/dpkg? Not really. |
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| 07:52.57 | kd5uzz | omi netsplit |
| 07:52.58 | Coke | jm_: same problem. |
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| 07:52.59 | omi | netsplit? |
| 07:52.59 | kd5uzz | omi one IRC server got disconnected from the others |
| 07:52.59 | omi | oh |
| 07:52.59 | omi | must suck badly! |
| 07:52.59 | teufel | lol |
| 07:52.59 | wolaopa | why so much garbage thrown out on the screen? |
| 07:52.59 | empty | it made my DVD skip like 10 chapters |
| 07:52.59 | kd5uzz | not everyone is connected to irc.freenode.net, a lot are coming from niven.freenode.net |
| 07:52.59 | omi | just a question |
| 07:52.59 | kodek | I'm coming from irc.debian.org :) |
| 07:52.59 | omi | why does freenode raise money if all servers are donated? |
| 07:52.59 | simonrvn | wpihgutewrptg |
| 07:53.00 | Coke | jm_: this is exactly why I moved immediately from assembler to object oriented and skipped C. :) |
| 07:53.13 | simonrvn | fuck i never had this many problems with skipping on my G3... |
| 07:53.20 | kd5uzz | kodek sorry, you're on irc.freenode.net: do a /whois kodek |
| 07:53.25 | simonrvn | fucking POS x86 crap |
| 07:53.33 | omi | lol |
| 07:53.34 | kodek | kd5uzz, oh, heh. i connected through irc.debian.org, though. |
| 07:53.48 | omi | ah common, opterons are nice |
| 07:53.51 | kd5uzz | kodek I think irc.debian.org just points to this server |
| 07:53.59 | jm_ | zimnyx: yes it does |
| 07:54.01 | fooz | simonrvn, sounds like you misconfigured something |
| 07:54.01 | kodek | kd5uzz, most likely :D |
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| 07:54.08 | kd5uzz | a cname or something |
| 07:54.16 | kd5uzz | err..A record actually |
| 07:54.19 | jm_ | Coke: well then you can eliminiate new gcc features as a cause of the problem ;) |
| 07:54.20 | idnar | kd5uzz: actually, *you* are on nievn |
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| 07:54.32 | kodek | haha |
| 07:54.32 | idnar | kd5uzz: freenode always shows netsplits as a split between the server you're on, and "irc.freenode.net" |
| 07:54.36 | fhffhqvb | actual standalone dvd players are good for playing dvd's :-| |
| 07:54.45 | simonrvn | fooz: tell me, if you have any clue, would i have misconfigured? |
| 07:54.50 | fooz | :) |
| 07:54.53 | teufel | Ok, so since I just figured out groups, is there a way to change every file I gave a+w to, back to where a only has rx privilages? |
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| 07:54.55 | fooz | simonrvn, dunno. what's skipping? DVD? |
| 07:55.07 | jetx | -w |
| 07:55.10 | simonrvn | no, file read from HDD, in audacity |
| 07:55.23 | kodek | Anyway. Are there any easy how-tos on getting a mail server up and running in less than 10 minutes on deb testing? |
| 07:55.24 | fooz | simonrvn, is your drive dying? |
| 07:55.27 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:55.28 | Coke | jm_: mm. is it any way to make gcc spit out more information on what it does? like excluding symbols? I tried -unexported_symbol_list, but I really have no idea what it's suposed to do. :) |
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| 07:55.32 | fooz | simonrvn, is your DMA on? |
| 07:55.36 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:55.44 | fooz | simonrvn, what are you using for video? |
| 07:56.02 | empty | Christian Slater may not get the best roles anymore, but a sex scene with Tara Reid ain't half bad |
| 07:56.06 | simonrvn | VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] |
| 07:56.09 | kodek | I just bought a couple of domains, and I'm using free dynamic dns to point them to my home ip. I know, it's a mess. |
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| 07:56.21 | fooz | simonrvn, X? fbcon? which driver? |
| 07:56.25 | simonrvn | x |
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| 07:56.28 | simonrvn | nvidia |
| 07:56.40 | jaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.41 | kodek | And I'm trying to get a mail server running in my server, so I can have some addies on the new domains. |
| 07:56.50 | jm_ | Coke: that option is only available for Darwin linker |
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| 07:57.02 | wolaopa | i am currently using xvkbd on-screen keyboard. not bad except that it won't allow me to create new keys i.e.not expandable. anyone knows of an expandable on-screen keyboard? |
| 07:57.12 | rresch | Hi Alltogether |
| 07:57.25 | berky | Kodek: Be careful if you're setting up an SMTP server intending to use it for outgoing mail. Some ISPs will block e-mail originating from servers on dynamic IPs. |
| 07:57.27 | fooz | simonrvn, try using nv instead of nvidia |
| 07:57.28 | simonrvn | this isn't a mac, it's a p3/667 going at 500 due to the older mobo |
| 07:57.39 | fooz | simonrvn, oh pfft |
| 07:57.40 | rresch | I have a question about Debian Sarge. |
| 07:57.48 | Coke | jm_: do I need to define it in any special kind of way in the header file? |
| 07:57.55 | Coke | jm_: I'm grasping for straws now. |
| 07:57.56 | simonrvn | even a g3/300 would do better than this thing |
| 07:57.56 | kodek | berky, I'm aware of that. Is there any easy way of having emails @mynewdomain.com AND have the rest of my records point to my home ip? |
| 07:58.03 | jim | would you question in the morning? |
| 07:58.09 | jetx | ah 100fsb / 133 n/a |
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| 07:58.13 | kd5uzz | teufel take a look at 'man chmod' it looks like it supports the -R option (chmod -R o-w * would set o-w on all files in the current dir and all subdirectories) |
| 07:58.14 | rresch | The installer for Sparc doesn't allow me to create Raid-Volumes. |
| 07:58.17 | jm_ | Coke: did you compare how the two SO-s declare this problematic object? |
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| 07:58.19 | fooz | simonrvn, i have a G3 300 that can't even stay running 24 hours |
| 07:58.33 | kodek | berky, I want to have http://domain.com point to my home server, but me@domain.com point to a mail server in a real mail server, per-se. |
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| 07:58.35 | simonrvn | fooz: it's sick. mine stays up for weeks |
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| 07:58.51 | fooz | simonrvn, your PC is sick. mine stays up for weeks? |
| 07:58.56 | fooz | not really weeks |
| 07:58.58 | fooz | more like years |
| 07:59.05 | Coke | jm_: PyMODINIT_FUNC init_krb5module(void) does not work while PyMODINIT_FUNC initPyAsufil(void) does. |
| 07:59.08 | berky | kodek: You can do that with zoneedit.com, a dynamic DNS host. You can set your MX record to forward to some other e-mail address you have. |
| 07:59.11 | simonrvn | fooz: well, it's an isa sound card, using OSS. that might factor in |
| 07:59.13 | teufel | kd5uzz: ah thanks |
| 07:59.19 | fooz | simonrvn, just cause you're using old, broken hardware doesn't mean x86 is bad |
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| 07:59.22 | wolaopa | nobody has any idea about expandable on-screen keyboard? |
| 07:59.22 | kodek | berky, I'm currently using Afraid.org |
| 07:59.27 | kodek | berky, have you heard of it? |
| 07:59.28 | berky | kodek: At least, I think it does it in the MX record. I'm not a DNS expert. :P |
| 07:59.33 | fooz | simonrvn, maybe. check the ISA settings in the BIOS |
| 07:59.38 | kd5uzz | idnar ahh..so I am.. :-) |
| 07:59.40 | berky | kodek: Nope, but then I like zoneedit.com so I didn't look at anything else. :) |
| 07:59.42 | simonrvn | fooz: old, yes. broken, no |
| 07:59.47 | rresch | Anybody with knowledge about debian-sparc in here? |
| 07:59.47 | fooz | simonrvn, BIOSes around that time started to get all kinds of options in them |
| 07:59.51 | simonrvn | it runs, and it's stable ;) |
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| 07:59.52 | fooz | simonrvn, for tuning the busses |
| 08:00.21 | berky | kodek: Perhaps your dynamic DNS provider has something similar, though? That just forwards domain e-mail to another e-mail address? |
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| 08:00.25 | simonrvn | fooz: it's a 1999 bios |
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| 08:00.45 | jm_ | Coke: that looks like a macro - maybe generate preprocesor output for both files |
| 08:00.52 | kodek | berky, what'd happen if I forward only MX to another server? |
| 08:00.53 | berky | kodek: But you're fine setting up an SMTP server for the incoming mail. You've just got to configure your e-mail client to use a different SMTP for outgoing or live with some ISPs rejecting your e-mail. |
| 08:00.59 | jetx | and it won't do 133? |
| 08:01.12 | fooz | heh |
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| 08:01.25 | simonrvn | fooz: afaict, i've set the isa stuff up ok |
| 08:01.27 | mo1991 | is there no lame package in sarge? |
| 08:01.29 | berky | kodek: MX records only effect e-mail, nothing else. You'd still get all the other traffic to your home IP or wherever else you designate. |
| 08:01.33 | fooz | simonrvn, not if things are skipping |
| 08:01.37 | fooz | simonrvn, but suit yourself |
| 08:02.04 | furrywolf | hrmm. the sarge installer is going to not install pcmcia if I install it on my desktop, isn't it? |
| 08:02.31 | simonrvn | fooz: well, i can show you what options i set in /etc/modules - do you have clue with old pro audio spectrum cards? |
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| 08:02.40 | kodek | berky, If I wanted to point domain.com's MX to anotherserver.com, what would the MX record look like? Do you know? |
| 08:02.48 | fooz | /etc/modules options don't mean anything |
| 08:02.52 | fooz | it's your CMOS settings |
| 08:02.52 | Coke | jm_: ok, how? |
| 08:03.04 | jetx | http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=1 |
| 08:03.09 | jetx | ultimate bios guide ^^^ |
| 08:03.14 | berky | kodek: Well, you can't change that directly unless your DNS provider is giving you direct access to their DNS records (pretty unlikely). |
| 08:03.21 | simonrvn | fooz: what should i be looking at then? ok, thanks jetx |
| 08:03.32 | jm_ | Coke: gcc -E is usually good enough to figure it out |
| 08:03.35 | kodek | berky, well, right now, it looks like 10:mail.mydomain.com |
| 08:03.38 | Coke | jm_: or maybe put this in the directory with all the other unfinished projects, including the calendar stuff? :) |
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| 08:03.40 | teufel | kd5uzz: ok... I just made a group that is called administrator I added /etc/apache/httpd.conf so that it belongs to administrator, and then chmodded it so it's rwx-rwx-r but when i try to edit it with the user in administrator group it says "could not open file for writing, permission denied" wtf is wrong? |
| 08:03.50 | kodek | berky, only I have no idea of what it means. :) |
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| 08:04.09 | Coke | jm_: put -E in my CPPFLAGS ? |
| 08:04.27 | berky | kodek: The first number is a preference number; it's a ranking. The rest you can figure out. But you can't just put in your ISPs mail server, I don't think. |
| 08:04.43 | jetx | hey it used to be free :( |
| 08:04.49 | jetx | i just read it :( |
| 08:04.50 | berky | kodek: Or maybe you can, I'm not an expert on DNS. :P |
| 08:04.54 | simonrvn | wtf, tonnes of cookies... |
| 08:04.57 | kodek | berky, a friend hooked me up with unlimited hosting at his server, I can always point it to his. |
| 08:04.58 | jm_ | Coke: well eithe rthat or grab entire command line used to build .o and add -E in it |
| 08:05.04 | fooz | simonrvn, bus related options.. i forget the names.. |
| 08:05.19 | kd5uzz | teufel do you see the group 'administrator' listed when you 'groups <user>' ? |
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| 08:05.34 | berky | kodek: I think there needs to be some server-side configuration at his end, though, to set up his SMTP server to handle e-mail for your domain correctly. |
| 08:05.39 | ^rob^ | hello |
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| 08:05.55 | berky | kodek: At least he'd have to make a mailbox for you. |
| 08:05.56 | ^rob^ | does anyone know where from can I get ICC profiles? |
| 08:06.03 | kodek | berky, I'm going to try adding my domain in my cPanel, then pointing the MX records to his server. |
| 08:06.04 | berky | kodek: And then forward all the address@yourdomain.com to that box. |
| 08:06.07 | teufel | kd5uzz: if you mean when I do a ls -l I see it belonging to administrator... yes |
| 08:06.21 | kodek | berky, what do you think? |
| 08:06.36 | berky | kodek: If you have access to his control panel, you should have everything you need then. |
| 08:06.39 | Coke | jm_: only extra output was that -l<lib> wasn't unused because no linking was done. |
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| 08:06.46 | kodek | berky, I'll try that, then :) be right back |
| 08:06.49 | berky | kodek: But it's going to need to know where to put the mail that comes for you. |
| 08:06.54 | jetx | here we go http://www.rojakpot.com/freebog.aspx |
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| 08:06.58 | berky | kodek: You should be able to configure that in the control panel too. |
| 08:06.58 | *** part/#debian TBAPb (~whoknows@office.globalonebel.net) |
| 08:07.00 | kodek | berky, oh, don't worry about that. |
| 08:07.05 | jetx | that's free |
| 08:07.11 | kodek | berky, so what's that "ranking" number for? |
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| 08:07.34 | jm_ | Coke: you should use -E when the .o file for your source file was compiled, not when linking |
| 08:07.35 | berky | kodek: You could have multiple mail hosts and the ranking would tell other servers which order to try them in. |
| 08:07.40 | berky | kodek: Since you only have one, it doesn't matter. |
| 08:07.48 | kodek | berky, so I should leave it at 10, right? |
| 08:07.51 | Mindship-03 | Can anyone tell me howto change the dependencies my kernel will get when I compile it? |
| 08:07.53 | berky | kodek: Yes. |
| 08:07.54 | teufel | kd5uzz any idea what's wrong? |
| 08:07.57 | kd5uzz | teufel type 'groups <user>' it should give you a list of groups that user belongs to |
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| 08:08.25 | teufel | kd5uzz: yeah it's right he's in administrator |
| 08:08.34 | jetx | the dependencies? huh? |
| 08:08.41 | kd5uzz | teufel and use 'adduser <user> <group>' instead of the moduser command |
| 08:08.47 | berky | jetx: Maybe he means modules? |
| 08:08.50 | kd5uzz | teufel from now on :-) |
| 08:09.04 | Coke | jm_: it was used all of the times. |
| 08:09.09 | jetx | then it's make menuconfig |
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| 08:09.20 | mwilson | Maybe he means he shouldn't be compiling his own kernel. |
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| 08:09.28 | berky | mwilson: LOL |
| 08:09.35 | Mindship-03 | no jetx, when I compile the kernel as a .deb the .deb depends on certain packages |
| 08:09.37 | jetx | that too, or maybe he needs practice. i did. |
| 08:09.38 | berky | mwilson: I vote for that. |
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| 08:09.52 | jetx | you have to start somewhere. |
| 08:09.54 | jm_ | Coke: well then you should have the output in .o file |
| 08:09.57 | Mindship-03 | I want to remove some dependencies and let it recommend ALSA |
| 08:09.58 | mwilson | Most cluebies who think they have a reason to build their own kernel only think they need to do it to be 'leet. |
| 08:09.59 | kd5uzz | ls -l the file you want to edit. You should see owner and group of the file..make sure administrator is in the 2nd column |
| 08:10.05 | mwilson | Mindship-03: No, you don't. |
| 08:10.06 | jetx | no idea then, Mindship-03 |
| 08:10.08 | kd5uzz | teufel ls -l the file you want to edit. You should see owner and group of the file..make sure administrator is in the 2nd column |
| 08:10.09 | fooz | i did it to be l33t |
| 08:10.17 | Mindship-03 | k, thx jetx. Anyone else? |
| 08:10.19 | jetx | i did it because i like it slim |
| 08:10.32 | jetx | hey, rresch left |
| 08:10.37 | Coke | jm_: ok, what am I looking for? |
| 08:10.39 | kodek | berky, ARGH! When I try to add it, it won't let me, because the A record doesn't point to the right IP. |
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| 08:10.53 | mwilson | Mindship-03: Debian kernels use ALSA by default and you have no idea what "dependencies" means in the first place. |
| 08:10.53 | berky | kodek: Which A record? |
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| 08:11.08 | kodek | berky, mydomain.com |
| 08:11.10 | Coke | jm_: I found "void init_krb5module(void)" so it seems the macro is exchanged with a void. |
| 08:11.24 | Mestapheles | Does this look good for an external burner? "#/dev/scd0 /mnt/extBurner udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto" |
| 08:11.31 | mwilson | Mindship-03: So anything you think you need to remove someone is just going to have to talk you through putting back after you screw it up and it won't boot. |
| 08:11.41 | berky | kodek: These are separate things, though. You don't need an A record for this. You need an MX record that points to your friend's server that will actually handle your e-mail. |
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| 08:11.56 | Mestapheles | I can't mount using mount /mnt/extBurner |
| 08:12.01 | jm_ | Coke: and the same for the other file? |
| 08:12.05 | kd5uzz | teufel did you get that? |
| 08:12.11 | mickazee | Is /sbin/rpc.statd |
| 08:12.12 | Mindship-03 | mwilson: that is so not true |
| 08:12.15 | mickazee | something I need? |
| 08:12.19 | Coke | jm_: yep |
| 08:12.19 | kodek | berky, I know :( but cPanel won't even let me add it. I need the domain in cPanel's records before it shows up in the mail section. |
| 08:12.23 | mwilson | Mindship-03: Except that it is, of course. |
| 08:12.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:12.37 | berky | kodek: Oh, I see... Well, I can't comment on what that control panel thinks it's doing. :) |
| 08:12.39 | mwilson | Mestapheles: There's some reason you have that line commented out? |
| 08:12.43 | jm_ | Coke: they both end up as void symname(whatever) ? |
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| 08:12.51 | dutchfish | In what dev-package are the header files <cgic.h> and <gd.h> included? |
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| 08:12.55 | kodek | berky, so I guess I'm back to my own server. Hehe. |
| 08:12.58 | poncha|work | shit. i am unable to define a problem... thats a real problem isnt it? :) |
| 08:13.03 | teufel | kd5uzz: yeah I got that sorry, I have to afk sparatically cause I'm at work |
| 08:13.10 | kd5uzz | teufel no problem |
| 08:13.15 | Mindship-03 | the kernel_doc maybe removed and I don't screw up anything if I remove dependencies to its source. And recommending my home grown ALSA modules is fine too. |
| 08:13.20 | berky | kodek: I guess. If the control panel won't let you setup only mail handling for a domain, you probably can't do what you want to do that way. |
| 08:13.26 | Coke | jm_: yep. |
| 08:13.28 | kodek | berky :( |
| 08:13.39 | berky | kodek: And setting up your own server will work fine if you get through the configuration. Just make sure you don't use it as your outgoing server in your e-mail client. |
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| 08:13.56 | teufel | yeah ok this is what ls -l gives me: -rwx-rwxr-x 1 root administrator .... |
| 08:13.58 | mwilson | Mindship-03: You can stop now... really. You're amusing, but you're just making yourself look bad. |
| 08:13.59 | kodek | berky, so, the next question. How can I turn my server into a mail server? |
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| 08:14.06 | Coke | jm_: I give up. Thank's for all your time anyway. |
| 08:14.21 | kodek | berky, I got as far as having dependency errors while trying to install sendmail. |
| 08:14.22 | berky | kodek: Well you're going to need to pick a "mail transfer agent". Exim is popular. |
| 08:14.35 | teufel | kd5uzz: yeah ok this is what ls -l gives me: -rwx-rwxr-x 1 root administrator .... |
| 08:14.48 | Mindship-03 | then tell me how to do it mwilson, If things go wrong I just install the whole damn pc over again. |
| 08:14.55 | dutchfish | berky, i use postfix |
| 08:14.55 | berky | kodek: If you have a firewall, you'll need to open port 25 and forward it to the Exim server. |
| 08:15.04 | mwilson | Mindship-03: Aren't you listening? You don't. |
| 08:15.11 | berky | dutchfix: That one seems popular too. |
| 08:15.13 | Mindship-03 | why not? |
| 08:15.14 | teufel | kd5uzz: and I'm using nano to edit if that makes any difference... I should just be able to write to it logged in as the user in administrator group right? |
| 08:15.17 | VivekVC | I have did a web search on scalper+worm+false+positives and i found not false positives. |
| 08:15.17 | kodek | berky, don't worry. I've got my router forward all traffic to my server. |
| 08:15.20 | kd5uzz | does anyone know if you have to logout then back in for a new group membership to take effect? |
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| 08:15.29 | VivekVC | Maybe i am in fact infected with it. |
| 08:15.29 | jm_ | Coke: would be easier by looking at thing than to guess like this - I have hard time imagining why it doesn't work |
| 08:15.31 | berky | kodek: Well, that's not exactly very safe. :) |
| 08:15.40 | jm_ | kd5uzz: you don't have to, but it certainly helps |
| 08:15.47 | kodek | berky, I trust my server :) |
| 08:15.58 | mwilson | Mindship-03: You have no reason to, |
| 08:16.01 | kd5uzz | jm_ I'm rather confused by your answer :-) |
| 08:16.04 | kodek | berky, I believe I've done a good job at setting it up (I hope) |
| 08:16.07 | VivekVC | could some body check if there are any known false positives for the scalper worm |
| 08:16.13 | jm_ | kd5uzz: ever heard of sg or newgrp? |
| 08:16.20 | eleven | why is it that bitchx cannot be found in the debian package tree, when i apt-get install bitchx it tells me that the package cannot be found. |
| 08:16.25 | kd5uzz | jm_ ahh..yes |
| 08:16.27 | teufel | kd5uzz: lol yeah You do have to log in and out, I just did it and it works |
| 08:16.31 | teufel | kd5uzz: sorry about that =x |
| 08:16.32 | berky | kodek: Everything has vulnerabilities in it. The worst are the ones we don't know about. I only forward ports I need to. |
| 08:16.34 | Mindship-03 | For publicational purposes I want it to suggest the right ALSA modules (ie mine) mwilson. |
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| 08:16.44 | kd5uzz | teufel no problem |
| 08:16.49 | Coke | jm_: I can tar all of it and give it to you, but I guess looking at it takes a lot of time/work. |
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| 08:17.00 | kodek | berky, but if there's nothing running on a port, there shouldn't be a way to get in through it. |
| 08:17.11 | dutchfish | In what dev-package are the header files <cgic.h> and <gd.h> included? |
| 08:17.12 | kd5uzz | teufel you can also 'newgrp administrator' |
| 08:17.15 | kodek | berky, a hacker could open the port, but first they'd have to get in the server. |
| 08:17.24 | teufel | What kind of jobs can you get if you get pretty good with linux? Is there any demand for like linux server administrators these days or something like that? |
| 08:17.29 | berky | kodek: One hopes not. But this is not always the case. |
| 08:17.30 | Coke | jm_: there's also the option that I've used so far; consider C unusuable. :) |
| 08:17.31 | poncha|work | what i need is an ability to work with textual *files* in *multiple* encodings. i need to be able to open/edit files in iso-8859-* encoding *and* in utf-8 , and i need an ability to recode file from one to another (from local charset to unicode and vice versa). where should i start reading up? i am reading unicode-howto now , but it mostly speaks of *console* locales and also leaves me with impression i will be able to handle only one type of encoding at |
| 08:17.31 | poncha|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.42 | teufel | kd5uzz: well yeah I did that to create the administrator group |
| 08:17.48 | MrKeuner | hi, all the entries in the debian menu have their duplicates. Is there a way to fix that? gnome2.10... |
| 08:17.53 | kodek | berky, so you're saying that if nothing is listening on a port, one could still connect to it? |
| 08:18.05 | kd5uzz | teufel not 'addgroup' 'newgrp' |
| 08:18.15 | berky | kodek: Or overflow a buffer by sending things to it. |
| 08:18.22 | Mindship-03 | mwilson: please tell me what is idiot about what I want to do. |
| 08:18.24 | kd5uzz | newgrp "changes the group ID of the current login" |
| 08:18.28 | teufel | kd5uzz: what would that do? |
| 08:18.30 | kd5uzz | from 'man newgrp' |
| 08:18.36 | kodek | berky, exim or exim4? |
| 08:18.38 | jm_ | Coke: well I can take a look some day, but now I have some support case to work on |
| 08:18.39 | kd5uzz | teufel make it so you don't have to logout |
| 08:18.40 | eleven | is there no bitchx package for debian? |
| 08:18.41 | Garp | poncha|work : afaik most langauges can do this (i used Python for some similar stuuf) |
| 08:18.44 | berky | kodek: I'd get exim4. |
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| 08:18.51 | berky | kodek: Unfortunately, though... |
| 08:18.52 | teufel | kd5uzz: ahh |
| 08:18.57 | dutchfish | kodek, for sarge exim4 |
| 08:18.59 | berky | kodek: I'm not an exim guru to help you set the whole thing up. |
| 08:19.03 | kd5uzz | teufel ever heard of 'apropos'? |
| 08:19.10 | berky | kodek: I've installed it, but I have got around to making sure everything I set up works yet. :P |
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| 08:19.12 | Garp | poncha|work : or maybe you want an interactive editor ? |
| 08:19.15 | teufel | kd5uzz: i've heard the term, but don't know what it is |
| 08:19.22 | poncha|work | Garp, i'd prefer to stick to vim :) |
| 08:19.24 | VivekVC | btw, a google on scalper worm says it infectes via bsd apache servers, i have no apache server or modules installed. |
| 08:19.29 | kodek | berky, don't worry, you're doing great at helping me :) |
| 08:19.42 | berky | kodek: But some sort of MTA -- exim, postfix, or something else -- is the software you need to run an SMTP server. |
| 08:19.53 | berky | kodek: I've only been using Linux for about a week. :) |
| 08:19.55 | kodek | berky, I should format this server and start from scratch. I have so many packages in it that I'm not using. |
| 08:20.11 | kodek | berky, really? |
| 08:20.14 | Garp | poncha|work : I dont know for vi*, on the interactive side, I found kate (from kde) prety conveniant for that kind of manipulation. |
| 08:20.14 | berky | kodek: You can always get a list of packages you don't need and remove them with aptitude. |
| 08:20.20 | poncha|work | Garp, forgot to mention this :) but i'm talking about editting/working with files on remote server :) |
| 08:20.24 | tarzeau | what are "pom poms"? read at http://www.bash.org/?519771 |
| 08:20.27 | berky | kodek: Yes, now ask me how to do all this on Windows and I'll be a lot more helpful. :P |
| 08:20.31 | kodek | berky, there's so many that formatting would be easier. |
| 08:20.32 | kd5uzz | teufel learn it, love it, use it. Its kinda like searching the help files. If you want to know how to do something with groups you can 'apropos groups' and it'll return a list of all man pages that have something to do with groups. Lets say you see 'newgrp' in the list, type 'man newgrp' and it'll tell you almost everything you need to know about it. |
| 08:20.39 | berky | kodek: Your call. :) |
| 08:21.08 | kodek | berky, I won't format yet. If I get everything working, then I will. |
| 08:21.14 | berky | kodek: But yeah, you probably don't want a server full of things you don't need. |
| 08:21.15 | teufel | kd5uzz: oh sweet... that is what I have problems with too... never remembering commands |
| 08:21.16 | Coke | jm_: it's OK, I'm quite happy with the time you already spent. |
| 08:21.25 | rAz_tvset | hi all. |
| 08:21.41 | wam | my auth.log is always full of things like this: sshd[23719]: Illegal user james from ::ffff:129.35.161.121. They test thousands of accounts. That's no problem as they never succeed. But I'd like to make their life harder. Is there any way, I can slow down the connection-cycle of a ssh-authentication? Like - after 3 unsuccessful tries from one IP, ssh sleeps 5 seconds for every new try. |
| 08:21.50 | Garp | poncha|work : I believe that kate is able to open remote file through ftp or scp. AFAIK KDE has some pseudo filesystem to handle remote files under a lot of protocols; |
| 08:22.00 | teufel | kd5uzz: thanks so much for being patient with me... I come in here like every other night it seems to figure some stupid problem out and I have learned more from you tonight than I have in like 2 weeks =P |
| 08:22.01 | kodek | berky, lots of dependency errors! *panic mode* |
| 08:22.21 | kd5uzz | teufel I've also found it helpful the create a file called notes. I put neat or complex commands in the file and explain what they are..2 weeks from now I can go back and figure out how to create an image of a CD and mount it, etc |
| 08:22.24 | kodek | berky, "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4 is broken or not fully installed" |
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| 08:22.37 | berky | kodek: What command did you use to install it? |
| 08:22.51 | berky | kodek: apt-get install exim4? |
| 08:22.54 | kodek | berky, aptitude install exim4, then it gave it lots of errors, so I tried reconfiguring it. |
| 08:23.01 | berky | kodek: Hmmmm. |
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| 08:23.26 | berky | kodek: I'm not sure why that would be. Are you sure aptitude is using a sane mirror? |
| 08:23.29 | kd5uzz | teufel no problem. I'm learning as well. I know what its like. I learned a little tonight helping you as well. |
| 08:23.41 | teufel | kd5uzz: yeah I started a paper, and am looking forward to transferring it to .txt soon heh |
| 08:23.44 | berky | kodek: And that you haven't deleted a bunch of things from the console that it might think are still installed? |
| 08:23.45 | kodek | berky, pretty sure. I just updated/dist-upgraded a while ago |
| 08:23.45 | poncha|work | kodek, are you using exim because you choose to or you do not know other options for mta ? |
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| 08:24.01 | kd5uzz | teufel I didn't know the best way to add a user to a group, nor did I know you had to logout (or newgrp) to make group stuff work |
| 08:24.02 | kodek | poncha|work: I just want an email server :) |
| 08:24.03 | berky | poncha|work: latter |
| 08:24.12 | berky | poncha|work: What's your suggestion? |
| 08:24.15 | poncha|work | i like postfix :) |
| 08:24.18 | teufel | kd5uzz: how long have you been using linux? |
| 08:24.31 | berky | kodek: Do you have Webmin? |
| 08:24.43 | kodek | berky, no. I don't like GUIs |
| 08:24.46 | kodek | heh |
| 08:24.48 | poncha|work | and i dislike webmin :) |
| 08:24.50 | fooz | all my hardware's slowly dying. what a drag |
| 08:25.10 | berky | kodek: You browse the Web in Lynx then? Webmin has some real advantages. It saved me tonnes of headaches setting up my own DNS server. |
| 08:25.19 | kodek | berky, I used to use GUIs and webmin for everything, but now I just got used to an ssh session :) |
| 08:25.21 | berky | kodek: And I think it has support for both exim and postfix. |
| 08:25.29 | berky | kodek: OK. |
| 08:25.43 | dutchfish | wam, -g login_grace_time |
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| 08:25.49 | poncha|work | it has, via packeges webmin-postfix and webmin-exim :) |
| 08:25.50 | fooz | webmin is real good, i hear |
| 08:25.50 | kodek | berky, since I'm so lost right now, I'll install it :) |
| 08:25.52 | fooz | at trashing config files |
| 08:26.00 | poncha|work | fooz's right :) |
| 08:26.01 | teufel | kd5uzz, or anyone else, where would I find the option so that when someone ftp's into my server, what directory do they automatically have as their root? |
| 08:26.01 | plovs | what scripts does dpkg-reconfigure run? postinst, preinst or both? |
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| 08:26.13 | wam | dutchfish: thank you ;) |
| 08:26.20 | dutchfish | wam, yw |
| 08:26.24 | berky | fooz: It works great for me except that one version I installed had broken BIND support. Once I downgraded to the previous version, it worked wonderfully. |
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| 08:26.46 | kd5uzz | teufel My first linux install was around 1997 or '98. I've played with it a (very) little bit since then. Most of what I helped you with I learned back then. But in the last few months I've been going after it hot and heavy. I went from 1 linux box to 5. Now the only windows machine is my main box..and I don't think it'll stay windows for much longer |
| 08:26.50 | kodek | How can I fix some dependency problems? |
| 08:26.51 | poncha|work | editting domain zones with webmin is evil :) |
| 08:26.51 | wam | dutchfish: but that's how long they have to authenticate. Not how long sshd should wait before allowing a new try. |
| 08:27.01 | DuEy | Hi, I installed apache2 via apt-get and it didn't install apxs2 (which I need to compile subversion with mod_dav support) |
| 08:27.12 | dutchfish | wam, man sshd |
| 08:27.14 | DuEy | does anyone know how I can get apxs2? |
| 08:27.15 | poncha|work | DuEy, apache2-dev ? |
| 08:27.19 | berky | poncha|work: Actually, I think BIND's config is evil. |
| 08:27.22 | fooz | the openbsd manual is real good |
| 08:27.22 | l4vim | should I use IA64 for Intel Xeon 2.8 on FSB 800MHz ? |
| 08:27.27 | fooz | or maybe it's the FAQ |
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| 08:27.30 | DuEy | poncha|work: will that overwrite my current install? |
| 08:27.42 | poncha|work | berky, i donno... i am pretty much okay with bind's configs and zone files :) |
| 08:27.43 | kodek | berky, I just tried installing exim4, but it said it needed exim-config. So i tried apt-get install exim-config, and it says the package doesn't exist. |
| 08:27.53 | fooz | l4vim, no. IA64 is Itanium |
| 08:28.04 | poncha|work | DuEy, that is additional package (will not overwrite, will add files) |
| 08:28.07 | berky | kodek: One sec. I'll SSH to a Debian machine. |
| 08:28.09 | DuEy | cheers thanks |
| 08:28.14 | fooz | l4vim, is that a 64 bit chip? |
| 08:28.16 | kd5uzz | teufel what ftp server are you using? Do you have /etc/proftpd.conf ? |
| 08:28.16 | kodek | berky, Ok. |
| 08:28.26 | poncha|work | DuEy, it's either apache2-dev or -devel , don't remember exactly... |
| 08:28.29 | teufel | kd5uzz: yeah... I kind am having the same pattern... I began to learn what I could like a couple months ago and dropped it, tried it again and dropped it, but just recently I'm finally starting to understand it or something... it's sticking |
| 08:28.32 | DuEy | Ok |
| 08:28.38 | teufel | kd5uzz: I'm using wu-ftpd |
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| 08:28.54 | berky | kodek: ...waits for the P166 to catch up... :P |
| 08:28.59 | kodek | berky, haha. |
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| 08:29.16 | teufel | kd5uzz: I have /etc/wu-ftpd/ftpaccess which seems to be the config file for it but don't see an option anywhere |
| 08:29.18 | berky | kodek: I think you want exim4-config |
| 08:29.22 | berky | kodek: not exim-config |
| 08:29.25 | kodek | berky, heh, good point. |
| 08:29.27 | kd5uzz | teufel can't help you then. Try a man wu-ftpd or something. Look in /etc/ for the config file (usually XXXX.conf) |
| 08:29.37 | kd5uzz | teufel also think about not using FTP |
| 08:29.39 | l4vim | fooz : as I read yes.. |
| 08:29.43 | kodek | berky, LOTS of errors again. |
| 08:29.45 | teufel | kd5uzz: EH? |
| 08:29.50 | fooz | l4vim, then use x86_64 or i386 |
| 08:30.18 | l4vim | fooz : thank you |
| 08:30.19 | xzakox | My XFree hangs... i get a black screen, keyboard doesnt works, but i can move the cursor. This happens since my ibook freezed after coming back from sleep mode. |
| 08:30.20 | xzakox | If i gain access throught ssh, the XFree86 process eats 100% of cpu, and i can't kill it... kill -9 and nothing happens. |
| 08:30.20 | xzakox | The only problem i noticed is that the ibook lost the date and pointed to 1970... i restored the date but the same happens... i can't see errors in logs... |
| 08:30.20 | xzakox | syslog, messages, dmesg, XFree86.0.log... nothing. |
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| 08:30.27 | kodek | what's a good site to paste error messages? |
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| 08:30.39 | xzakox | sorry :P |
| 08:30.50 | berky | kodek: I'm not sure why this is happening. Want to try posting some of the errors via rafb.net or something similar? |
| 08:30.55 | fooz | i need to sell my powerbook but i'm so lazy |
| 08:30.55 | jm_ | kodek: /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:30.57 | fooz | what a drag |
| 08:30.58 | jim | http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 08:31.08 | kd5uzz | teufel If you run SSH you have a secure file transfer protocal already... and its encrypted. You can use sftp to copy files from one host to another, just like linux commandline ftp. I use WinSCP for a GUI in windows. |
| 08:31.20 | fooz | simonrvn looks like he wants to buy my Powerbook G3! |
| 08:31.23 | kodek | berky, http://rafb.net/paste/results/2cljdm54.html |
| 08:31.25 | fooz | simonrvn, congratulations! |
| 08:31.41 | poncha|work | kd5uzz, that is if sftp is enables in sshd :) |
| 08:31.49 | kd5uzz | teufel and you don't have to worry about MORE firewall rules, etc. Not only that but SSH is WAY more secure than FTP. the problem is that not all programs/users know how to use it |
| 08:31.52 | poncha|work | *is enabled |
| 08:32.01 | kd5uzz | poncha|work VERY true, but the default debian install does |
| 08:32.06 | poncha|work | yep |
| 08:32.19 | berky | kodek: Well. |
| 08:32.27 | teufel | kd5uzz: yeah, that is what I was going to say I guess... what if I wanted to give someone access that usually uses ftp? |
| 08:32.30 | wam | dutchfish: Nope - nothing in man sshd. |
| 08:32.34 | kd5uzz | I keep a lot of people out of my server(s) because I don't use FTP |
| 08:32.35 | simonrvn | wtf? |
| 08:32.38 | poncha|work | default debian configs btw have password authentication of... (only interactive on) any idea why? |
| 08:32.41 | berky | kodek: I have no clue. |
| 08:32.47 | kodek | berky, haha. |
| 08:32.48 | kd5uzz | suggest they install WinSCP? ;-) |
| 08:32.50 | kodek | :( |
| 08:32.52 | berky | kodek: I've never had a problem like that. :( |
| 08:32.59 | kodek | berky, neither have I :( |
| 08:33.04 | berky | kodek: There's got to be someone in here who can figure this out. |
| 08:33.08 | kd5uzz | teufel by default the user goes to their home directory when they login via FTP |
| 08:33.11 | berky | kodek: Or you could always try postfix. :) |
| 08:33.11 | teufel | kd5uzz: ah just did a man sftp, looks pretty cool |
| 08:33.15 | Mindship-03 | Can anyone tell me howto change the dependencies my kernel will get when I compile it? |
| 08:33.17 | poncha|work | kd5uzz, i personally use (if on windows) vandyke securefx... there are a lot of clients that support sftp :) |
| 08:33.20 | kodek | berky, but what about all the crap exim left installed? |
| 08:33.21 | l4vim | fooz: I cannot find it on ftp.pl.debian.org/site/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/ |
| 08:33.23 | fooz | hmm, simonrvn's brain was running on a G3 300MHz, it seems. and it has overheated from the load |
| 08:33.33 | berky | kodek: It doesn't sound like it installed anything. Just downloaded some packages. |
| 08:33.39 | teufel | kd5uzz: yeah, but say I want their root directory to be /foo/bar, but they only see "/" in their ftp browser |
| 08:33.52 | kodek | berky, config files are there. |
| 08:34.03 | berky | kodek: well, you could also tell apt to remove the packages. |
| 08:34.04 | fooz | l4vim, www.debian.org has other mirrors |
| 08:34.10 | berky | kodek: And hopefully it would work. :P |
| 08:34.15 | fooz | l4vim, Debian i386 is what you want probably |
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| 08:34.19 | kodek | berky, how can I tell it to remove exim AND all the other packages that it requires? |
| 08:34.24 | fooz | does debian have an x86_64 distro? |
| 08:34.33 | kodek | berky, because if I just say apt-get remove exim4, it'll only remove exim4 |
| 08:34.34 | kd5uzz | teufel sorry, but I'm not familar with wu-ftpd. I'd say look in the man pages or online. :-( |
| 08:34.46 | fooz | i don't even know. i can't afford athlon 64 hardware |
| 08:34.54 | jm_ | fooz: #debian-amd64 |
| 08:35.03 | berky | kodek: Good question. |
| 08:35.18 | fooz | it's a yes or no question, not an IRC channel question |
| 08:35.24 | teufel | kd5uzz: kk, thanks |
| 08:35.35 | teufel | kd5uzz: have you had good luck with proftpd though? |
| 08:35.35 | fooz | and direct answers to l4vim, he's the one who is interested |
| 08:35.43 | kodek | fooz, they do, but last time I checked, it wasnt out. |
| 08:35.53 | kd5uzz | I've got a server that I don't admin that I have a site on...I just created a link in my home dir that points to my website's html dir. Instead of /var/www/website/htdocs I just go to ~/website.org (ln -s source destination) |
| 08:36.05 | berky | kodek: I don't know enough about apt-get to know if it would actually suggest removal of unneeded packages. |
| 08:36.14 | Garp | (au revoir) |
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| 08:36.25 | kodek | Anyone know how to remove unneeded packages? |
| 08:36.29 | rAz | is it logical taht a uname is displaying me : linux i686 <- i have a celeron copermine ... |
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| 08:36.40 | berky | kodek: And in particular how to know they're unneeded. :) |
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| 08:37.06 | kd5uzz | teufel thats just what I have installed on my of my machines right now. I've used it, but I don't think I've done much configuration. Give me a sec and I'll see if I can see an option to change the user dirs... |
| 08:37.10 | kodek | berky, well, I like to try different things, and every time I install something new, it leaves stuff behind after I uninstall it. |
| 08:37.13 | jm_ | deborphan/aptitude can remove them |
| 08:37.20 | jm_ | kodek: start using aptitude |
| 08:37.40 | berky | jm_: I thought I used aptitude just because I'm a noob. But apparently there are other reasons to. :) |
| 08:37.58 | kodek | jm_ should I use it the same way I use apt-get? |
| 08:38.04 | kodek | jm_, replace apt-get with aptitude? |
| 08:38.08 | berky | kodek: No, type aptitude. |
| 08:38.08 | jm_ | kodek: yes |
| 08:38.16 | berky | kodek: N/m me then. :) |
| 08:38.25 | berky | kodek: I Use the text-mode GUI of aptitude. :) |
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| 08:38.36 | jetx | dselect > * |
| 08:38.36 | kodek | berky, that thing is confusing. haha. |
| 08:38.46 | berky | kodek: I *like* it. |
| 08:39.35 | berky | kodek: Although aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. Whatever that means. |
| 08:39.42 | simonrvn | apt-get moo |
| 08:39.43 | omi | I have two routers for networks 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24. Host on 192.168.1.0 are not supposed to be aware of 192.168.2.0 network (packets should go to the router 192.168.1.1 and then to second router at 192.168.1.100 which then forwards the packets to 192.168.2.0/24 network). How can I check that the packet is indeed coming through 192.168.1.1 and not some host on the 192.168.1.0/24 network sending it directly t |
| 08:39.43 | omi | o 192.168.1.100 to be routed to 192.168.2.0/24 network |
| 08:39.47 | kodek | berky, haha. |
| 08:39.56 | berky | I'm not kidding. |
| 08:40.00 | simonrvn | apt-get moo |
| 08:40.02 | omi | (I'm making firewall on second router) |
| 08:40.12 | kodek | "There are no Easter Eggs in this program." HAH |
| 08:40.14 | Omnix | I'm trying to swap over the the heavy Exim4 package in Sarge, but it relies on Perl 5.8.4 - I currently have 5.8.7 installed. Aptitude seems to want to downgrade - does anybody know if this will run ok? |
| 08:40.22 | berky | simonrvn: LOL |
| 08:40.26 | kd5uzz | teufel sorry, I don't see any mention of it |
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| 08:40.44 | transgre1s | yay for upgrading to etch... let's hope it all goes smoothly |
| 08:40.45 | Blue9 | Omnix, I don't see why you should have to downgrade :S |
| 08:41.02 | teufel | kd5uzz: hmm weird... anyone know if there is a free way to get asp support on your sever? |
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| 08:41.13 | teufel | kd5uzz: np and thanks for looking |
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| 08:41.27 | jm_ | teufel: apt-cache search apache asp |
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| 08:41.48 | Omnix | Blue9, it seems that exim4-daemon-heavy depends on libperl5.8 >= 5.8.4 - but 5.8.4 is the only version of libperl5.8 - there is no 5.8.7 version |
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| 08:41.55 | simonrvn | so? |
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| 08:42.02 | borco | hi |
| 08:42.05 | kodek | jm_, I thought asp in linux wasn't possible. |
| 08:42.07 | dutchfish | wam, you are right there is no option for this as far as i know. Try this: http://www.section6.net/help/portknock.php |
| 08:42.09 | simonrvn | that shouldn't be removing it |
| 08:44.01 | Blue9 | Omnix, the Downgrade should be fine, unless other applications rely on that specific version of perl. |
| 08:44.02 | teufel | kd5uzz: omg... what was that command again to search through manual pages? |
| 08:44.11 | empty | teufel, apropos? |
| 08:44.36 | teufel | empty: yeah thanks |
| 08:44.37 | omi | any knows how to make a firewall rule to check if packets are being routed through a certain router? |
| 08:44.40 | borco | i'm trying to update my packages and I get "Err http://localhost unstable Release.gpg\n Bad header line". Any ideas? |
| 08:44.54 | empty | teufel, it's an alias to man -k I believe if that is easier for you |
| 08:44.57 | Omnix | Blue9, gave it a try anyway, and it seems to have gone through without problems. My other systems are on 5.8.4 too - by the looks of it, when I installed libtext-iconv-perl 1.4-1, it relied on 5.8.7 - I've installed 1.2-3 now which was also in the repository. Thanks :) |
| 08:45.17 | Blue9 | Omnix, np :) |
| 08:45.17 | omi | borco, are you hosting a mirror for debian packages? |
| 08:45.22 | transgre1s | An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x40a, product 0x578). Make sure this device is connected to the computer. |
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| 08:45.31 | transgre1s | i get that when i connect to my cam |
| 08:45.32 | berky | omi: No, I don't think that's possible. |
| 08:45.34 | transgre1s | anyone have a tip |
| 08:45.41 | berky | omi: re: the firewall question |
| 08:45.52 | transgress | i mean it's picking it up when i turn the damn thing on... so it is connected |
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| 08:45.53 | omi | berky, does it get a redirect? |
| 08:45.58 | teufel | empty: ah thanks... I have such a hard time remembering stuff for some reason /sigh |
| 08:46.06 | omi | berky, have you read my long explaination? |
| 08:46.11 | berky | omi: Sadly, no. |
| 08:46.17 | borco | omi: yep. |
| 08:46.24 | omi | I see :( |
| 08:46.36 | empty | in the BTS the tag "sarge-ignore" means what it sounds like right? |
| 08:46.56 | omi | berky, well, I got a solution :) ipsec communication between routers |
| 08:47.15 | borco | omi: I am using debmirror to mirror 'unstable' |
| 08:47.21 | berky | omi: Aha. :) Never played around IPSec, but it seems neat. |
| 08:47.24 | kodek | berky, *sigh*, I'll just format the damn computer. Do you have any recommendations to start with almost no packages? I want to install only what I need. |
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| 08:47.52 | berky | kodek: Well, if you want to run Debian, install from the netinst CD and when it asks you to select packages, make sure all the checkboxes are cleared. |
| 08:47.53 | omi | borco, it depends where you are making your debian mirror, maybe you made a directory debian |
| 08:47.59 | berky | kodek: That'll install under 300 MB. |
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| 08:48.22 | kodek | berky, will I have to use aptitude's text-based GUI? that thing scares me. |
| 08:48.25 | kodek | berky, hah |
| 08:48.27 | berky | kodek: No. |
| 08:48.41 | kodek | berky, be right back, I'm going to connect through mIRC :-/ |
| 08:48.43 | omi | berky, I'm coming from logic that normal (unenrypted unESPed) packets would be rejected as they would look rogue and not traverse further on |
| 08:48.45 | berky | kodek: You never have to use it. I *like* to. |
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| 08:48.57 | kodek | berky, one sec. |
| 08:49.06 | omi | berky, although I'm not entirely sure if netfilter will filter the packets coming from ipsec |
| 08:49.08 | Blue9 | aptitude was weird at first. |
| 08:49.18 | borco | omi: can you pls be more specific? I mirror in /home/borco/Downloads/mirrors/debian and export it as http://ionut/mirrors/debian/ |
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| 08:49.28 | nksen | what are those '.user' addresses often seen on #freenode? how to get one? |
| 08:49.32 | `KodeK | berky, wow, I left bitchx, and debian said "you have mail" |
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| 08:49.41 | `KodeK | berky, so I checked, and it was one of the messages I sent from my gmail account. |
| 08:49.43 | berky | `KodeK: Allowed? |
| 08:49.45 | Blue9 | nksen, you ask the freenode admin for one. |
| 08:49.51 | berky | `KodeK: I mean aloud? I'm tired. |
| 08:49.53 | borco | omi: yesterday it was working :( |
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| 08:49.59 | `KodeK | berky, only that "mail" didn't work. I had to read the mailbox manually. hehe |
| 08:50.10 | nksen | Blue9: what you say... nice. thx |
| 08:50.13 | omi | borco, oh, in that case maybe you're missing Packages.gz ?? |
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| 08:50.21 | berky | omi: Sounds interesting and plausible, but I don't know either. |
| 08:50.23 | omi | or debmirror didn't finish |
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| 08:50.39 | omi | berky, well that's the project for another week :) |
| 08:51.27 | berky | Quanta is making my skin crawl. |
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| 08:52.02 | orjan | After reboot of a sarge box xdm starts but I can't login as user.However I can from console. Root can login from xdm. Before reboot no problem. What shall I check? |
| 08:52.21 | borco | omi: I have Packages, Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz. The problem is that I also get an error for gz: Err http://localhost unstable/main Packages |
| 08:52.21 | borco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:52.36 | Blue9 | kd5uzz: User cloaks --> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channel_cloaks |
| 08:52.47 | borco | omi: but the file looks fine .... |
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| 08:53.15 | KodeK | berky, any idea why my ftp client denies access as root to the server? :( |
| 08:53.25 | sploenni | hi@all |
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| 08:53.28 | berky | kodek: What server software? |
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| 08:53.35 | KodeK | berky, Filezilla. |
| 08:53.43 | berky | kodek: Never heard of it. This is for Linux? |
| 08:53.44 | teufel | kd5uzz: thanks for everything man, have a good night |
| 08:53.45 | KodeK | berky, server is proftd |
| 08:53.45 | mash- | does Xvesa have autodetect of some kind? |
| 08:53.49 | KodeK | *proftpd |
| 08:53.56 | KodeK | berky, the client is for windows. |
| 08:54.11 | berky | kodek: I use vsftpd, but I suspect it's a server setting. Out of the box vsftpd wouldn't let root login either. :) |
| 08:54.36 | KodeK | berky, I'm looking around the config, and I cant see any hints. |
| 08:54.45 | henk | is there anyone that can tell me why libapache2-mod_php5 is not available on dotdeb? The dependencies speak of it but its not on the mirrors. There's nothing said about it on the dotdeb site |
| 08:54.52 | berky | kodek: Well, in vsftpd, you'd have to turn on local user logins. |
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| 08:55.20 | berky | kodek: Can you try logging in a non-privileged user? That might narrow it down. |
| 08:55.22 | KodeK | Anyone know how to enable root access in proftpd? |
| 08:55.28 | KodeK | berky, oh, that works fine. |
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| 08:55.37 | berky | kodek: Ah, then I'm sure it's the server that's forbidding it. |
| 08:55.41 | Guerin | KodeK: don't, ever, for any reason. Hopefully it's not even possible. |
| 08:55.53 | KodeK | Guerin, I'm going to copy stuff from my server, then format it. |
| 08:56.00 | Guerin | KodeK: man ssh |
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| 08:56.12 | berky | kodek: Yeah, you can use sftp if you set up sshd. |
| 08:56.17 | kd5uzz | KodeK if you need root access via ftp use ssh (sftp, scp, etc) |
| 08:56.32 | KodeK | kd5uzz, this is going to be local, though. |
| 08:56.40 | kd5uzz | KodeK its EASY to use |
| 08:56.46 | Guerin | KodeK: even more reason not to use ftp ... use rsync |
| 08:56.47 | berky | kodek: Yeah, sshd is easy to setup. |
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| 08:56.53 | KodeK | kd5uzz, are you telling me to use ssh because of ssh's encryption? |
| 08:57.04 | kd5uzz | KodeK yes |
| 08:57.20 | sploenni | where can i get the kopete winpopup-plugin? is there a deb for it? |
| 08:57.24 | KodeK | kd5uzz, I'm not really worried about that right now. I *will* be in an hour or two, once my server is formatted :) |
| 08:57.36 | kd5uzz | KodeK not only that, but root can already use sftp w/o any reconfig |
| 08:57.39 | jetx | !netcardconfig |
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| 08:57.49 | Guerin | for local stuff the encryption's not that big a deal - it's just about 100 times easier to use ssh for root logins then ftp |
| 08:57.53 | Guerin | s/then/than/ |
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| 08:58.01 | berky | kodek: it's probably less trouble to install sshd then it is to get someone to tell you how to enable root in the FTP server. |
| 08:58.12 | KodeK | kd5uzz, I disabled root access through ssh. I guess I'll have to re-enable it. |
| 08:58.20 | kd5uzz | KodeK it'll 'just work' |
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| 08:58.22 | kd5uzz | KodeK doh |
| 08:58.28 | KodeK | berky, I do have ssh installed :) |
| 08:58.31 | berky | kodek: OK |
| 08:58.32 | empty | KodeK, rsync over ssh is A+ |
| 08:58.34 | KodeK | *sshd |
| 08:58.36 | jetx | dpkg, netcardconfig is <reply> http://drbl.nchc.org.tw/debian/download/script/netcardconfig |
| 08:58.36 | dpkg | jetx: okay |
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| 08:59.03 | empty | KodeK, rsync --rsh="ssh -l sshuserreote" foo:/bar/ ./bar/ |
| 08:59.11 | empty | reote = remote |
| 08:59.19 | KodeK | empty, I'm using Filezilla for windows. I'm pretty sure it wont support ssh commands :) |
| 08:59.22 | berky | empty: Is that easier than sftp? |
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| 08:59.32 | empty | berky, easier in some ways |
| 08:59.34 | berky | kodek: CuteFTP does. |
| 08:59.44 | berky | kodek: It definitely supports SFTP. |
| 08:59.46 | empty | berky, if the connection drops it instantly knows where to start again |
| 08:59.52 | KodeK | berky, so now I have to install a new ftp client? all i need is root access, hah. |
| 08:59.59 | KodeK | berky, mine supports SFTP, let me try that |
| 09:00.01 | berky | empty: Unlikely though given he's local to the machine. |
| 09:00.01 | asdfgy | cureftp runs on linux?? |
| 09:00.06 | asdfgy | cuteftp |
| 09:00.15 | berky | asdfgy: He's in Windows now. |
| 09:00.15 | KodeK | berky, do you know if windows explorer support sftp? |
| 09:00.18 | asdfgy | o |
| 09:00.20 | berky | kodek: Nope, it doesn't. |
| 09:00.32 | KodeK | berky, so I'll still need regular ftp :( |
| 09:00.34 | empty | berky, Semi unlikely, fast and hard FTP action is taxing for some commodity switches |
| 09:00.54 | borco | when doing apt-get update, I get this message: W: GPG error: file: unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 09:01.04 | asdfgy | am i allowed to ask about knoppix in here since its debian based? |
| 09:01.07 | berky | kodek: And sftp is dependent on sshd configuration. I'm guessing to get root privileges by sftp, you'd have to enable root login by ssh. I could be wrong though. |
| 09:01.18 | Guerin | asdfgy: you get a cookie for asking first, but the answer is no. |
| 09:01.20 | borco | whos is this key and how do I make apt-get recognize it? |
| 09:01.21 | KodeK | berky, I'm on it :) |
| 09:01.28 | Guerin | asdfgy: #knoppix is the place |
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| 09:01.56 | KodeK | berky, ^_^ I'm in as root! |
| 09:02.01 | asdfgy | yep is it, but there is a maximum of 1 person talknig there always it seems |
| 09:02.02 | berky | kodek :) |
| 09:02.14 | asdfgy | if any at all |
| 09:02.44 | borco | ups, got the answer on google... |
| 09:03.03 | Guerin | kd5uzz: shoulda done it gentoo-style |
| 09:03.07 | KodeK | kd5uzz, open up a terminal and play netris (joking) |
| 09:03.42 | kd5uzz | Guerin ? |
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| 09:03.50 | kd5uzz | its DONE! |
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| 09:04.10 | Guerin | kd5uzz: set it to run before bed |
| 09:04.25 | kd5uzz | Guerin lol |
| 09:04.26 | myren | haha! my laptop lives again! |
| 09:04.27 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 09:04.38 | myren | only look like 3 recompiles to revive |
| 09:04.41 | KodeK | Guerin, I've been wanting to try gentoo. Is there a point to it? I mean, is it worth compiling everything from scratch sometimes? |
| 09:04.59 | Guerin | KodeK: no. |
| 09:05.17 | Guerin | KodeK: basically, even the regulars in #gentoo say if you have to ask, it's not for you |
| 09:05.18 | ^rob^ | is there a quicktime player who can handle apple script too ? |
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| 09:05.24 | orjan | After reboot of a sarge box xdm starts but I can't login as user.However I can from console. Root can login from xdm. Before reboot no problem. What shall I check? |
| 09:05.26 | KodeK | Guerin, that's why I love debian, but sometimes, I feel like having more control over my system. |
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| 09:05.40 | Blue9 | KodeK: If you like waiting around alot, and don't mind not using your computer for ~ forty-eight hours while the whole damn lot compiles, then I'd recommend gentoo |
| 09:05.44 | kd5uzz | X *SEEMS* a little faster on my laptop after I upgrade/compiled my kernel |
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| 09:06.01 | Guerin | KodeK: well, you will get control. |
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| 09:06.10 | myren | Sweet sweet DMA! How I've miseed you baby! |
| 09:06.10 | KodeK | Blue9, on a celerong 667 mhz, with 128 mb of ram? 48 hours would pretty quick, I bet. |
| 09:06.26 | Blue9 | KodeK, Bloody hell, have you got any holiday due? |
| 09:06.35 | Blue9 | You'd need a few weeks :P |
| 09:06.41 | Guerin | KodeK: oh my lord, I did stage1 on a p3-866 with 512 and THAT was several days |
| 09:06.54 | KodeK | Blue9, Guerin, haha. |
| 09:07.13 | kd5uzz | I wonder if gentoo sends you a page/sms/email when it finishes... |
| 09:07.13 | Blue9 | I did a stage one on a Athlon 1.4ghz, and that took two days :S |
| 09:07.16 | KodeK | I guess I could compile everything on my amd64 3500+, but that'd defeat the whole purpose of it. |
| 09:07.24 | simonrvn | fooz: finally got it to play nice. i changed the dma the module got loaded as, and installed realtime-lsm module |
| 09:07.27 | simonrvn | now it doesn't skip :), and i can continue working on that web site |
| 09:07.28 | Blue9 | KodeK, it wouldn't work either |
| 09:07.34 | KodeK | Blue9, oh. :) |
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| 09:07.42 | Guerin | kd5uzz: USE=sms |
| 09:07.43 | zumbi | !hi |
| 09:07.43 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 09:07.44 | dpblnt | Blue9, it's not that hard.i've set up a gentoo desktop xfce4 in 30 hours (firefox,thinderbird, and lots of other stuffs) |
| 09:07.55 | empty | orjan, what happens when you log in as user? |
| 09:08.04 | Blue9 | dpblnt: Didn't say it was hard, just boring. |
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| 09:08.34 | empty | dpblnt, done the same on Sarge in 30 minutes :P |
| 09:08.51 | orjan | empty: after a few "flashes" on screen I get back to xdm |
| 09:08.55 | Blue9 | I got a ubuntu desktop set up in ~ 20 minutes. |
| 09:08.57 | dpblnt | empty, yeah, i hope so. |
| 09:09.12 | Blue9 | I don't really see the point of Gentoo over say LFS |
| 09:09.22 | empty | orjan, Log into failsafe mode and try to rm .ICEauthority and .Xauthority, then retry |
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| 09:09.35 | Blue9 | But it's all about choice I guess :) |
| 09:09.40 | orjan | empty: ok |
| 09:09.50 | myren | arg, something is playing with my hdparm's when i plug in/unplug |
| 09:09.54 | myren | and i canna figur eout what |
| 09:10.04 | empty | orjan, did the box crash or your session end abnormally? |
| 09:10.05 | myren | laptop-mode looks guilt free suprisingly |
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| 09:10.16 | orjan | empty: no |
| 09:10.19 | empty | myren, acpid? |
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| 09:10.26 | KodeK | question: what could be causing my damn 10/100 mbps network to run at 1 mB/s max? |
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| 09:10.51 | Guerin | KodeK: bad mtu? |
| 09:10.56 | empty | KodeK, line noise, mismatched duplex settings |
| 09:11.01 | Guerin | KodeK: problems with duplex? |
| 09:11.04 | KodeK | Guerin, whats mtu? |
| 09:11.05 | empty | KodeK, or bad mtu I guess |
| 09:11.12 | orjan | I tried as user from console, startx and gets error : client 2 rejected from local host, in xfrees log |
| 09:11.22 | dpblnt | KodeK, it worth trying it, if you know what you're doing. i run everything i need on my laptop desktop with 50Mb memory usage, with a slow hdd(no swap), and i was not able to do that in debian. |
| 09:11.23 | empty | KodeK, is that perchance a win95 box? |
| 09:11.25 | Guerin | KodeK: but remember that 1 megaBYTE per second is ~ 10 megaBITS per second |
| 09:11.27 | KodeK | empty, where could I check those settings? I know they're fine in my windows desktop machine. |
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| 09:11.35 | empty | or win98 non-OSR2? |
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| 09:11.40 | Guerin | KodeK: and then there's ssh encryption and disk throughput overhead |
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| 09:11.41 | Manyfold | i just installed the cupsys package , but if i want to connect to the server, he asks me for a password. how can i set the pwd for cups? |
| 09:11.53 | empty | KodeK, mii-tool for duplex, for noise check ifconfig |
| 09:11.56 | KodeK | Guerin, I get same throughput with regular ssh. |
| 09:11.58 | pif | is /etc/environment still used in debian ? |
| 09:12.00 | KodeK | err. FTP |
| 09:12.08 | Guerin | KodeK: ok. |
| 09:12.17 | myren | empty: looks like acpid is just fscking with laptop mode |
| 09:12.22 | myren | most unusual |
| 09:12.23 | jm_ | Manyfold: read /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian |
| 09:12.25 | empty | KodeK, could also be a disk choke |
| 09:12.37 | KodeK | empty, how can I troubleshoot that? |
| 09:12.39 | jm_ | pif: still? it's not like it was used before by default |
| 09:12.42 | simonrvn | oh, this is so cool :) |
| 09:13.02 | KodeK | empty, I know the disk in my server isnt the greatest (a 15 gb disk that came with an emachine). |
| 09:13.10 | empty | KodeK, unless you have a lot running on it (verbose logging etc) its probably not HD at 1mbps |
| 09:13.14 | Guerin | KodeK: true |
| 09:13.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:13.20 | Guerin | kd5uzz: ^^ |
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| 09:13.26 | pif | jm_: where should one put golbal env vars now ? |
| 09:13.41 | jm_ | pif: environment file, shell startup files |
| 09:13.49 | pif | jm_: like CUPS_SERVER and stuff |
| 09:14.05 | KodeK | empty: mii-tool: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 09:14.17 | Guerin | KodeK: other end? |
| 09:14.23 | jm_ | pif: why would you need that? |
| 09:14.31 | KodeK | Guerin, I believe it's set on automatic, but I'll check anyway. |
| 09:14.53 | KodeK | Guerin, 100 mbps full-duplex. |
| 09:15.00 | empty | KodeK, is your switch full or half duplex? |
| 09:15.07 | KodeK | empty, How can I check? |
| 09:15.10 | empty | KodeK, auto is always buggy |
| 09:15.14 | pif | jm_: I am looking for a way to centrally define an env var so that any user with any type of shell or WM inherits it |
| 09:15.18 | KodeK | empty, it's a modded linksys. |
| 09:15.18 | empty | KodeK, read the docs on it? |
| 09:15.35 | empty | KodeK, probably half duplex... Seeing TX/RX errors? |
| 09:15.44 | KodeK | empty, again, how can I check? :) |
| 09:15.48 | empty | KodeK, in ifconfig |
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| 09:16.05 | KodeK | empty, it looks normal, what should I look for? |
| 09:16.24 | jm_ | pif: sure, use environment file as long as your login method's PAM config will honour it - I was asking specifically about CUPS_SERVER variable |
| 09:16.24 | empty | errors:>0 dropped: >0 etc |
| 09:16.26 | KodeK | empty, 5 RX errors, no TX errors. |
| 09:16.32 | KodeK | er, the other way around. |
| 09:16.52 | KodeK | that's out of 13mil packets, tho |
| 09:16.54 | myren | pif: i'm found that linux has very very poor support for configuring your users environmental variables. best you can do is make a skeleton configuration that links to a publicly readable script which will setup environmental variables and do everything you can to encourage users to continue linking in that script |
| 09:17.01 | empty | KodeK, try setting it to HD with mii-tool, but I think that will flap your session |
| 09:17.54 | KodeK | empty, do you know if the firmware made by Sveasoft is any good? |
| 09:18.02 | pif | jm_: CUPS_SERVER is needed if there is no cups server on the machine |
| 09:18.03 | KodeK | empty, thats what I'm using with my linksys router. |
| 09:18.06 | empty | KodeK, out of 13 mil that is not too bad though |
| 09:18.13 | empty | KodeK, no clue |
| 09:18.15 | pif | or is it? |
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| 09:18.26 | myren | what system are you talking about? |
| 09:18.34 | jm_ | pif: as in you only have cupsys-client installed? |
| 09:18.36 | myren | I much prefer OpenWRT(.org) over Sveasoft |
| 09:18.43 | pif | yes |
| 09:18.51 | KodeK | myren, does it support SMNP? |
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| 09:19.02 | pif | ok, ok, /etc/cups/client.conf ? |
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| 09:19.11 | KodeK | er, SNMP |
| 09:19.12 | KodeK | heh |
| 09:19.54 | jm_ | pif: how about using /etc/cups/client.conf ? |
| 09:20.04 | empty | damn, knew I should have gotten the other model... the identical model of Thinkpad t42 to the one I have has a fingerprint scanner, and they just announced a linux driver for it |
| 09:20.06 | pif | yes, just realized that :) |
| 09:20.14 | KodeK | myren, I'm reading OpenWRT's documentation, and it sounds good. I'll give it a try after I'm done backing up my server. |
| 09:20.31 | orjan | empty: still problem with login to xdm after rm : ICE.. and .Xat...but now I can start another X instance with startx from console |
| 09:20.31 | pif | jm_: how about SANE_DEFAULT_DEVICE ? |
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| 09:20.43 | empty | orjan, Hrm, weird |
| 09:20.52 | jm_ | pif: no idea what does that do - you can set the var if nothing else works |
| 09:20.57 | empty | orjan, Check .Xsession-errors then I guess |
| 09:21.04 | pif | thanks for you input |
| 09:21.15 | jm_ | ahh for scanners ;) |
| 09:21.17 | alexrait1 | I have a question with mailcap and mime.types. in mime.types the zip entry appears as: application/zip zip while in mailcap it appears as applicatioin/x-zip |
| 09:21.18 | pif | yes |
| 09:21.23 | jm_ | I was thinking about it in relation to CUPS |
| 09:21.25 | orjan | empty: ehh check is to rm .Xse..? |
| 09:21.26 | alexrait1 | That's why it doesn't work right... |
| 09:21.34 | alexrait1 | is it a bug? |
| 09:21.37 | pif | jm_: it defines a network scanner |
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| 09:22.39 | jm_ | pif: right |
| 09:22.55 | jm_ | alexrait1: mime.types says compression schemes don't belong in there |
| 09:22.57 | alexrait1 | I can modify it manually of course.. but is there a different way in debian? since after update-mime it turns back to what it was before |
| 09:23.10 | alexrait1 | jm_, what do you mean? |
| 09:23.39 | jm_ | alexrait1: read the top of /etc/mime.types |
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| 09:24.11 | pif | hmm, apparently /etc/environment has been superceded by /etc/security/pam_env.conf |
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| 09:25.09 | jm_ | pif: has it? |
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| 09:25.26 | Guerin | aysennnnn: stop |
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| 09:25.35 | pif | jm_: it serves the same function from what I read |
| 09:25.36 | alexrait1 | jm_, but I do want firefox to open zip files with ark... |
| 09:25.46 | alexrait1 | jm_, what should I do for it then? |
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| 09:26.04 | jm_ | pif: well use whatever pam_env mentiones |
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| 09:26.05 | AjLavJo | ban the damn id tag |
| 09:26.06 | Guerin | aysennnnn: semanta^: name one vegetable starting with C if you're not a spambot. |
| 09:26.11 | pif | yep |
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| 09:26.15 | jm_ | pif: I thought pam_env.conf just extends it |
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| 09:26.37 | pif | thanks again |
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| 09:26.39 | jm_ | alexrait1: ahh firefox still doesn't let you ad your own handlers like mozilla, right? |
| 09:26.43 | Guerin | !ops aysennnnn and semanta^ |
| 09:26.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aysennnnn and semanta^ |
| 09:26.52 | alexrait1 | jm_, right |
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| 09:26.56 | cbr | some freaky shit is happening at sid.. if you want to upgrade to the c2 version of some library, it would uninstall half of your system because of dependency problems :> |
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| 09:27.12 | Guerin | cbr: welcome to sid |
| 09:27.21 | jm_ | !sid++ |
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| 09:27.27 | Guerin | cbr: solution: wait until the c++ abi transition has complete |
| 09:27.29 | Guerin | d |
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| 09:27.43 | jetx | sounds like libaspellblah |
| 09:27.46 | simonrvn | FFS |
| 09:27.48 | cbr | atm libfam0 and libaspell15c2 are the bad mans |
| 09:27.52 | berky | simonrvn: rather |
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| 09:28.05 | cbr | and thanks to libaspell15c2 i can't install gaim.. because the current gaim depends on it |
| 09:28.07 | jetx | i said that 3 days ago or so |
| 09:28.11 | cbr | but that would uninstall my whole kde |
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| 09:28.19 | Guerin | cbr: aww, poor baby |
| 09:28.19 | jetx | no, just most of it |
| 09:28.28 | simonrvn | semanta^, aysennnnn: GO THE FUCK AWAY |
| 09:28.34 | jetx | it would leave a little tiny bit of kde |
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| 09:28.49 | cbr | jetx: yea |
| 09:28.58 | cbr | main libs would go though |
| 09:29.00 | empty | jetx, like a mouseturd in the cupboard by the spilled cereal |
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| 09:29.05 | jetx | i said fuggit tonight and let it take it |
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| 09:29.46 | berky | Now Aysennnn is messaging me. |
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| 09:30.02 | jetx | berky: /umode +E |
| 09:30.16 | ircdevil | netsplit-spam |
| 09:30.18 | berky | jetx: unknown command |
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| 09:30.23 | berky | ACtually, it's not. |
| 09:30.26 | poncha|work | jetx, that makes only auth'd users able to privmsg ? |
| 09:30.27 | berky | ircdevil |
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| 09:30.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ARennes-251-1-52-141.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] by bob2 |
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| 09:30.34 | simonrvn | THANK YOU |
| 09:30.42 | kd5uzz | is there a pre-packaged cacheing name server package? |
| 09:30.42 | Guerin | !beer bob2 |
| 09:30.44 | Crasp | ah |
| 09:30.45 | myren | how do i add something to a bug report? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306536 ... i'm having this issue and the maintainers comments havent helped |
| 09:30.45 | berky | ircdevil: It's the same frickin' user over and over again. |
| 09:30.46 | Crasp | hello world |
| 09:30.47 | jetx | poncha|work: yeah it's supposed to |
| 09:30.51 | bob2 | kd5uzz: bind9 |
| 09:30.52 | ircdevil | i see |
| 09:30.56 | berky | ircdevil: And he sent me something he claims is a link to porno. |
| 09:30.58 | jetx | myren: reportbug in an xterm/console |
| 09:31.01 | poncha|work | --- poncha|work sets mode +E poncha|work :) |
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| 09:31.08 | bob2 | myren: email 306123@bugs.debian.org |
| 09:31.17 | bob2 | (where 306123 = the bug number) |
| 09:31.18 | berky | bob2: Thank you! |
| 09:31.20 | poncha|work | thanks jetx |
| 09:31.27 | Crasp | what config file should i use to add additional parameters to auto-loaded kernel modules? |
| 09:31.27 | poncha|work | and thanks to bob2 :) |
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| 09:31.37 | kd5uzz | bob2 bind9 will act as a simple cacheing nameserver fresh after install without me doing anything? cool |
| 09:31.54 | jetx | /etc/modules.conf i 'THINK' |
| 09:31.57 | ircdevil | one day i will write my own bot, which automagically flames newbies |
| 09:32.05 | ircdevil | i shall call it mwilson-bot |
| 09:32.09 | jetx | lol |
| 09:32.09 | bob2 | kd5uzz: once you tell it where to forward to |
| 09:32.10 | berky | ircdevil: LOL |
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| 09:32.11 | wolaopa | occasionally, the system hangs and when i check the log, it says 'caught signal XX'. where to look up what a signal number means. |
| 09:32.16 | chaica | hi |
| 09:32.23 | kd5uzz | bob2 thanks |
| 09:32.32 | jetx | man signals i think, i forgot. |
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| 09:32.40 | jetx | !signals |
| 09:32.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, signals is http://www.frostbytes.com/~jimf/papers/signals/signals.html |
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| 09:32.47 | poncha|work | wolaopa, /usr/include/asm/signal.h |
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| 09:33.17 | poncha|work | mm |
| 09:33.20 | poncha|work | or man signal :) |
| 09:33.20 | jetx | man signal |
| 09:33.23 | jetx | no s |
| 09:33.25 | jetx | jinx |
| 09:33.42 | chaica | I'm using a 2.6.11 kernel image from debian, I downloaded the 2.6.12 source and I want to make a initrd with them, something like make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image. Do-I need a special patch for cramfs or everything is ok |
| 09:33.47 | jetx | there was a list though |
| 09:33.55 | jm_ | chaica: why do you want to do that? |
| 09:33.57 | VivekVC | In the /etc/portsenty/portsenty.conf file under the "these port bindings are ignored for Advanced Stealth Scan detection mode" i had set it to "anal". I am a bit confused as to whether port sentry *will* monitor those ports or *ignore* scans to those ports. Thanks in advance. |
| 09:34.03 | jetx | why do you want to use initrd that is |
| 09:34.09 | jetx | (i think) |
| 09:34.11 | poncha|work | jetx, there is a list in .h :) |
| 09:34.26 | bob2 | haha portsentry |
| 09:34.34 | berky | vivekvc: You set the ASS detection mode to "anal"? |
| 09:34.51 | chaica | cause I need a driver beeing loaded before my filesystem is trying to mount and I don't know exactly which one |
| 09:34.52 | jetx | ahh. man 7 signal will give it up |
| 09:34.52 | VivekVC | My troubles with the "scalper worm" seems to be because of portsenty. |
| 09:34.58 | wolaopa | poncha|work, thks. that is header file. better than nothing. i was thinking of a doc that is more explicit. |
| 09:35.06 | jm_ | so compile it statically into the kernel |
| 09:35.16 | poncha|work | wolaopa, just man signal , that has the info you need |
| 09:35.23 | jm_ | you shouldn't build your own kernels if you don't know which drivers you need |
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| 09:36.06 | wolaopa | poncha|work, man signal describes the function call signal(). |
| 09:36.15 | VivekVC | berky: yes :) |
| 09:36.22 | poncha|work | wolaopa, correction :) man 7 signal :) |
| 09:36.44 | VivekVC | berky will portsenty monitor those ports or ignore scans ? |
| 09:37.07 | berky | VivekVC: I've never heard of portsentry. I just thought that whole configuration line sounded... um... ASSinine? |
| 09:37.19 | bob2 | portsentry just binds all unused ports |
| 09:37.22 | berky | VivekVC: I'm a noob, or I'd try to help you all. |
| 09:37.24 | wolaopa | poncha|work, man 7 signal is good. thks a lot. |
| 09:37.26 | bob2 | and then whinges if someone tries to connect to them |
| 09:37.32 | bob2 | it's not very useful |
| 09:37.39 | Guerin | bob2: dirty hack |
| 09:37.46 | Guerin | but i guess it works |
| 09:37.54 | VivekVC | What i understood till date is that it *will* monitor those ports and Anal is the paranoid section there.... |
| 09:38.07 | VivekVC | i could be entirely wrong here... |
| 09:38.12 | MrKeuner | hi, all the entries in the debian menu have their duplicates. Is there a way to fix that? gnome2.10... |
| 09:38.17 | berky | VivekVC: What bob2 describes is a very basic form of monitoring, no? |
| 09:38.38 | Guerin | MrKeuner: update-menus? |
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| 09:39.29 | MrKeuner | Guerin/ thanks but didn't work |
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| 09:39.31 | liable | here we go again. |
| 09:39.45 | bob2 | aysennnnn: are you planning on stopping anytime soon? |
| 09:39.59 | Manyfold | i added the user to lpadmin , but still the webinterfaces wants to have username and password and i as root specified non |
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| 09:40.36 | jm_ | Manyfold: read the file I mentioned |
| 09:40.50 | wam | how can I tell my tomcat-daemon which runs as user "tomcat" to use umask 020 instead of 022 (as defined in /etc/login.defs)? I guess that ~/.bash_profile is not read when the daemon starts. Do I have to tell the daemon or can I make umask 020 default for that user? |
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| 09:41.24 | bob2 | fix the init script |
| 09:41.26 | jm_ | wam: tried setting it in init script? |
| 09:41.38 | jm_ | start-stop-daemon doesn't have a switch for it, it seems |
| 09:41.42 | Manyfold | jm_:i read the file and did what it said , but still have to provide a password |
| 09:41.43 | wam | bob2, jm_: Does this also work if I start it as root and the daemon drops privs? |
| 09:41.56 | bob2 | I dunno, I'd assume so |
| 09:42.00 | jm_ | Manyfold: it says use root/root's password |
| 09:42.02 | wam | I'll try. thanks. |
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| 09:45.24 | kd5uzz | I think I've got sarge on this laptop..how can I check? |
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| 09:45.53 | berky | kd5uzz: uname -a |
| 09:45.58 | kd5uzz | uname doesn't tell me...the login prompt doesn't tell me (I think it used to) |
| 09:46.05 | berky | Oh. |
| 09:46.14 | bruno_ | I installed vmware on a sarge box, after the first reboot some of the devices created by vmware have been removed (/dev/vmnet*). Any ideas what services may have done that ? |
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| 09:46.16 | liable | kd5uzz: cat /etc/debian_version. |
| 09:46.29 | kd5uzz | 3.1 |
| 09:46.34 | kd5uzz | thanks |
| 09:46.38 | bob2 | bruno_: presumably /dev is managed by udev, which nukes all nodes on reboot |
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| 09:46.55 | bob2 | assuming the vmware drivers are broken and fail to make sysfs entries, which at least used to be the case |
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| 09:47.38 | bruno_ | bob2, any idea how udev decide to remove a device ? |
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| 09:48.18 | bob2 | with udev, /dev/ is created from scratch on every boot |
| 09:48.30 | bob2 | vmware needs to be fixed, or you need something to manually make the devies |
| 09:48.35 | bob2 | (assuming this is the problem) |
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| 09:49.31 | bruno_ | bob2, I thought the old /dev directory was hidden as a link in /.dev. But the link does not seem to be present. |
| 09:50.13 | bob2 | well, yeah, but presumably they were originally made while udev was running |
| 09:50.22 | bob2 | so they were in the "new" /dev that was thrown away |
| 09:51.28 | Crasp | what config file should i use to add additional parameters to auto-loaded kernel modules? |
| 09:51.54 | Crasp | i.e.: i want to add ports=21,some,other,ports to ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 09:52.15 | bruno_ | bob2, OK I understand and agree with you. Do you know a good introduction or documentation about how udev work ? The manpages are not very clear ... |
| 09:52.25 | bob2 | hm |
| 09:52.55 | liable | udev documentation, seems to suck ass.. |
| 09:52.58 | Guerin | of you could just not use udev |
| 09:53.14 | Guerin | s/of/of course/ |
| 09:53.36 | bob2 | bruno_: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev/, maybe |
| 09:54.12 | wam | bob2, jm_: it works fine. I just put "umask 002" into the startup-script. ;) |
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| 09:55.36 | MrKeuner | Can this be the reason for duplicate application entries on debian menu? update-menus[22792]: Reading menu-entry files in /usr/share/menu/. update-menus[22792]: 279 menu entries found (498 total). update-menus[22792]: Reading menu-entry files in /usr/share/menu/default/. update-menus[22792]: 279 menu entries found (777 total). |
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| 09:55.45 | hayz-hha | nux |
| 09:56.31 | hayz-hha | hi anyone here uses acer travel mate 2355 ?? |
| 09:56.52 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 09:56.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | hayz-hha: ask the question to which you actually want an answer |
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| 09:58.53 | vkangin | hi |
| 09:59.31 | bob2 | zope3 is really quite nice |
| 09:59.38 | bob2 | as long as you have one of the books |
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| 09:59.41 | vkangin | could anyone advice how to configure certain service at Debian to start and stop on different run levels? |
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| 09:59.56 | bob2 | vkangin: you don't bother, generally |
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| 10:00.11 | bob2 | vkangin: if you decide you care, then you can use update-rc.d or just rm and ln to do it |
| 10:00.30 | vkangin | bob2: Let me try |
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| 10:02.24 | ircdevil | is it possible to get the mozilla adblock plugin to work in galeon? |
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| 10:03.08 | jm_ | ircdevil: probably easier to use something like webwasher or privoxy |
| 10:04.49 | hayz-hha | ok thanks |
| 10:04.52 | hayz-hha | bye |
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| 10:06.05 | ircdevil | jm_ hmmm oki |
| 10:06.47 | jm_ | ircdevil: but you can get mozilla extensions workin in galeon too, I know my bro is using flashblock |
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| 10:08.35 | d03boy | i have slackware on a comuter downstairs... does anyone know of a way taht I can format the drive and somehow magically install debian without actually walking downstairs because im lazy? |
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| 10:08.49 | d03boy | that would be my life dream |
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| 10:10.08 | d03boy | actually... i if there was a way I could boot it off of the network or something.. thatd be sweet |
| 10:10.19 | ircdevil | jm_ adblock is only for firefox version of mozilla? |
| 10:10.19 | vkangin | bob2: I just delete a links, update-rc.d is not friendly at all |
| 10:10.31 | vkangin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.34 | ircdevil | jm_ cant find it under mozilla plugins :o/ |
| 10:10.52 | jm_ | ircdevil: hmm not sure, I use privoxy myself |
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| 10:12.34 | bob2 | no, it's not |
| 10:13.04 | ircdevil | jm_: hmmm its not a plugin - it seems to be called an addon - and adblock is not supported as far as i can tell. |
| 10:13.16 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 10:13.20 | KodeK | What kind of throughput do you guys get while using SFTP on a not-so-new server? |
| 10:13.22 | Guerin | harry potter leaked |
| 10:13.31 | KodeK | I'm currently getting 250 kB/s :( |
| 10:13.38 | jm_ | KodeK: 1M/s for scp on my P166Mhz firewall |
| 10:13.50 | d03boy | Guerin, its not like its going to be distributed all throughout theinternet by friday or something |
| 10:14.04 | Guerin | KodeK: that's ridiculously slow. I get four times that over ssh on my 10 megabit half-dup 233mhz p2 |
| 10:14.13 | KodeK | :( |
| 10:14.41 | KodeK | I'm about to throw everything out the window and go back to paper and pencil. |
| 10:14.51 | Guerin | d03boy: no ... it's just funny, given the ridiculous lengths everyone went to to keep it under wraps |
| 10:15.30 | KodeK | what's all this stuff in /var/backups/? |
| 10:16.14 | Guerin | KodeK: backups |
| 10:16.17 | Guerin | naturally |
| 10:16.26 | KodeK | hah. |
| 10:16.36 | KodeK | How'd I know you were going to say that? |
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| 10:17.28 | KodeK | This is extremely slow. I think I'm going to go to sleep while it backs up. |
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| 10:19.12 | bob2 | I only get 1MB/s against my p3-450 |
| 10:19.19 | bob2 | with ssh using 90%-odd cpu |
| 10:19.22 | bob2 | er, sshd |
| 10:19.26 | jm_ | sounds a bit slow |
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| 10:19.55 | xerophyte | I have problem with my server when i download something from the net it works for around 2 Meg then its hangs does anybody know why .. it happens with anywhere i download from |
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| 10:20.10 | nu2linux | hello |
| 10:20.49 | nu2linux | i am windows poweruser who is interested in Linux, is there a good version of debian which will both be reasonably easy to get started with, but also have the depth when I am ready? |
| 10:21.03 | at0m|c | hoi, whatever i try with hdparm, it keeps returning BuffSize=0kB, while the hd has 16mb cache |
| 10:21.15 | at0m|c | anyone know how the cache can be enabled? |
| 10:21.46 | KodeK | nu2linux: www.ubuntulinux.org |
| 10:22.26 | Manyfold | how can i add harddisk access for normal users i already added the user to the disk group but his acces is still denied |
| 10:22.39 | nu2linux | I have read several reviews of it, they are all positive, but it seems relatively atypical of Linux, i.e. Sudo security and so forth, I was looking more towards a pure branch of Debian like sarge or sid |
| 10:22.40 | jm_ | Manyfold: you don't want to do that |
| 10:22.42 | nu2linux | or woody |
| 10:22.54 | jm_ | use Sarge |
| 10:22.59 | at0m|c | sarge is current stable |
| 10:23.00 | KodeK | nu2linux: stay away from sid. try sarge. |
| 10:23.20 | nu2linux | ok |
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| 10:23.27 | nu2linux | is it reasonably easy to install and configure? |
| 10:23.28 | KodeK | but why not ubuntu? |
| 10:23.34 | at0m|c | ? |
| 10:23.44 | KodeK | it's really great, and it has lots of how-to's and documentation online. |
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| 10:23.44 | nu2linux | little too touchy feely for me |
| 10:23.45 | Manyfold | jm_: adding to the disk group or allowing access? |
| 10:24.01 | Blue9 | Ubuntu == too touchy feely? |
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| 10:24.02 | jm_ | why don't you read some of the reviews of Debian 3.1 installation and decide if it's easy enough for you? |
| 10:24.10 | jm_ | Manyfold: the former |
| 10:24.29 | mdeboer | anyone around with experience with building debian-installer packages? |
| 10:24.34 | KodeK | this is what i'd do. try ubuntu first, and if it's too easy, switch to debian |
| 10:24.35 | Blue9 | brb |
| 10:24.37 | Manyfold | jm_: i already had |
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| 10:24.48 | jm_ | Manyfold: you can always revert it back |
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| 10:25.37 | Manyfold | jm_: but he still had to get access to the ntfs volumes, what schould i do? |
| 10:25.50 | Guerin | KodeK: i'd install debian first and if you can't figure it out, read until you can. |
| 10:25.58 | jm_ | Manyfold: ahh that's entirely different problem - use appropriate mount options |
| 10:26.09 | Guerin | debian install is brainless in most cases |
| 10:26.19 | Manyfold | man mount |
| 10:26.21 | Manyfold | ups |
| 10:26.28 | KodeK | Guerin, yeah, but if it's his first time with linux, ubuntu isn't a bad choice. |
| 10:26.33 | Guerin | put in cd, reboot, hit enter many times, enter usernames and passwords as requested |
| 10:27.07 | KodeK | Guerin, IMHO, I like ubuntu as a desktop, and debian as a server. |
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| 10:27.43 | Guerin | KodeK: i guess that's because you like gnome |
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| 10:27.51 | KodeK | Guerin ^_^ |
| 10:28.03 | KodeK | Guerin, and because I got Cedega/CVS working in it, and not in debian. |
| 10:28.12 | KodeK | but that's because I didn't try hard enough. |
| 10:28.18 | Guerin | KodeK: pebcak, yeah |
| 10:28.23 | KodeK | shush. |
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| 10:29.23 | nu2linux | Jesus, how many of the 14 disks do I need or a fairly good workstation? |
| 10:29.29 | nu2linux | I doubt I need all 14 |
| 10:29.31 | KodeK | the first one |
| 10:29.33 | Guerin | nu2linux: one or three |
| 10:29.42 | nu2linux | ok |
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| 10:29.44 | Guerin | nu2linux: depends what you mean by 'fairly good' |
| 10:29.49 | nu2linux | i will be safe and grab 1-3 |
| 10:30.05 | Guerin | if you have fast internet just get the netinstall disk |
| 10:30.06 | nu2linux | like KDE Open Office, some compilers |
| 10:30.10 | rage | nu2linux: If you have a nice net connection just grab the first disk |
| 10:30.33 | nu2linux | the net install, or the literal first disk? |
| 10:30.35 | willim_M | hi is it possible to make linux case insensitive by adding a hfs partition? |
| 10:30.42 | rage | either, |
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| 10:30.54 | Guerin | the netinstall has 'base' and nothing else - the first disk has a bunch of other tat like gnome |
| 10:31.16 | Guerin | willim_M: wtf? |
| 10:31.21 | nu2linux | ok |
| 10:31.33 | nu2linux | so from netinstall it will allow me to get all of the other crap I want |
| 10:31.37 | Guerin | yes |
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| 10:31.45 | Guerin | hence NETinstall |
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| 10:31.52 | liable | if your nic is supported.. |
| 10:31.57 | rage | indeed |
| 10:31.58 | willim_M | i want linux to be case insensitive |
| 10:32.06 | pro | guys, can i dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/cda1.iso of a music CD so that i can make an exact copy of it? |
| 10:32.18 | jm_ | pro: you can try, but it won't work |
| 10:32.19 | KodeK | nu2linux, have you tried knoppix yet? |
| 10:32.22 | kd5uzz | I've installed libapache-mod-ssl (trying to install again tells me its installed) Yet, I can't connect to https://machinename. I was told that I could use mod_ssl instead of apache-ssl. Am I confused or what? |
| 10:32.24 | nu2linux | nope |
| 10:32.27 | Guerin | willim_M: you can set your shell to be case-insensitive |
| 10:32.30 | nu2linux | I am downloading hte net install deb disk though |
| 10:32.32 | KodeK | nu2linux, is this your first time with linux? |
| 10:32.43 | Guerin | KodeK: do you do anything other than pimp nondebian distributions? |
| 10:32.52 | pro | jm_: any suggestion? its a audioCD and im on a laptop so only have one cdrom on it |
| 10:32.54 | KodeK | Guerin, knoppix IS debian :) |
| 10:32.59 | cat | is not |
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| 10:33.04 | Guerin | !knoppixsmite KodeK |
| 10:33.05 | cat | !knoppix |
| 10:33.05 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 10:33.06 | willim_M | hmm will that work with subversion |
| 10:33.07 | KodeK | haha |
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| 10:33.10 | jm_ | pro: cdrdao, cdparanoia |
| 10:33.12 | KodeK | <--owned |
| 10:33.21 | pro | jm thanks |
| 10:33.23 | KodeK | well, it says it's based on debian. |
| 10:33.26 | Guerin | willim_M: you don't want to have a case-insensitive OS, trust me |
| 10:33.33 | KodeK | it's not like im telling him to use FC |
| 10:33.33 | cat | but is not debian |
| 10:33.35 | Guerin | KodeK: based on != is |
| 10:33.36 | willim_M | i want a case insensitve file system like windows |
| 10:33.47 | Guerin | willim_M: you really don't |
| 10:33.52 | mo1991 | Does anyone know if there is a way to fix the services-admin tool in debian sarge, it seems to be broken - services-admin shows no file or directory |
| 10:33.57 | kd5uzz | willim_M LOTS of things will break |
| 10:34.18 | liable | why? |
| 10:34.21 | Guerin | willim_M: you can set your shell to complete case-insensitively - that's about all I can think of |
| 10:34.22 | willim_M | maybe ill just buy a windows 2003 sever insead of the debian one |
| 10:34.32 | Guerin | there's probably other things, i just don't know them |
| 10:34.33 | cplx | : |
| 10:34.37 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: you'll need to give slightly more information than that |
| 10:34.42 | rage | willim_M: If you're having problems with say... apache and case sensitive issues then install mod_spell |
| 10:34.43 | Guerin | willim_M: it's your funer^Wmoney |
| 10:34.43 | cplx | !fix willim_M |
| 10:35.10 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/services-admin" (No such file or directory) |
| 10:35.12 | willim_M | so mounting a fat32 partition or hfs partition wont work then? |
| 10:35.19 | _mash | :| debian won't recognize ADSL anymore |
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| 10:35.38 | KodeK | anyway, I still think he should have a knoppix cd available, just in case. |
| 10:35.41 | _mash | i mean router |
| 10:35.42 | kd5uzz | willim_M sure it will, but you can't use that as your root (/) |
| 10:35.47 | _mash | or whatever. |
| 10:35.52 | willim_M | #its subversion im having problems with |
| 10:35.55 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - this is when I go debian menu - apps - system - service-admin from applicaitons menu |
| 10:36.34 | willim_M | people are using windows clients and dont remember the files case |
| 10:36.37 | Guerin | willim_M: you can't do much meaningful stuff on unix with a vfat partition - and it's a horriffic security risk to expose such a partition to a web server or suchlike |
| 10:36.45 | mo1991 | services-admin should be part of gnome-system-tools package but appears to not have the binary installed. I found something about this on google and it said this is a bug in the package - does this work on your system? |
| 10:37.03 | jm_ | check BTS |
| 10:37.06 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.33 | Guerin | !find bin/services-admin |
| 10:37.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/services-admin' returned no results. |
| 10:37.55 | Guerin | mo1991: what release of debian? |
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| 10:38.14 | kd5uzz | lets assume it mods httpd.conf. mod-ssl is supposed to enable https://blah for apache? |
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| 10:38.35 | Guerin | kd5uzz: yes, if you configure apache to use it. |
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| 10:38.53 | jm_ | mo1991: it's in BTS |
| 10:39.00 | willim_M | what about the appleOS X hfs |
| 10:39.04 | jm_ | mo1991: bugs.debian.org/314919 |
| 10:39.09 | Guerin | willim_M: what about it? |
| 10:39.26 | Guerin | willim_M: JAFPFS |
| 10:39.48 | mo1991 | Guerin - debian sarge - the new stable |
| 10:39.57 | Guerin | !find bin/services-admin sarge |
| 10:40.06 | mo1991 | jm_ |
| 10:40.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/services-admin' returned no results. |
| 10:40.19 | Guerin | oops, not there |
| 10:40.21 | mo1991 | does this mean that there is no way to get this working |
| 10:40.27 | jm_ | correct, read the BTS |
| 10:40.32 | Guerin | mo1991: read the BTS entry |
| 10:40.37 | kd5uzz | thanks |
| 10:40.39 | Guerin | there may be a workaround or such |
| 10:42.03 | aidehua | Where should I add route(8) commands, such that they are run everytime my machine boots? |
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| 10:42.21 | aidehua | Er. /etc/network/if-post-up.d ? |
| 10:42.35 | aidehua | Was that a self-answering question? :) |
| 10:42.36 | jm_ | aideu;man interfaces |
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| 10:43.08 | mo1991 | Guerin - ok, looks like there is not going to be a services-admin in sarge - Is there another program that can easily list / start / stop services? |
| 10:43.08 | pelo | today my XFree86 doesn't want to start up: I use nvidia and till yesterday it was working w/o problems. Today the nvidia modules loads but X says nvidia modules not loaded, any idea? |
| 10:43.12 | Devil_Kin | hello all |
| 10:43.35 | Guerin | mo1991: plenty. sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, rcconf |
| 10:43.38 | Devil_Kin | is there any package that supplies libglu1 and is compatible with the xorg packages? |
| 10:43.55 | liable | pelo: did you upgrade with apt? |
| 10:44.00 | Guerin | Devil_Kin: htfswk, given that xorg isn't in debian until tomorrow at earliest. |
| 10:44.27 | Devil_Kin | Guerin: htfswk? |
| 10:44.31 | pelo | liable: mmm .... let me think ... yes I think, it is a known issue? |
| 10:44.58 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 10:44.58 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:45.05 | mo1991 | Guerin - do any of these have a nice gui? Please let me know |
| 10:45.23 | Guerin | mo1991: yup. A couple of them are ncurses. That's pretty nice. |
| 10:45.23 | liable | pelo: which debian version? there have been a couple of similar complaints recently. |
| 10:45.24 | chrysopa | Hi all, |
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| 10:46.02 | pelo | liable: debian sid with kernel 2.6.11 and latest nvidia deb available compiled with kernel-package |
| 10:46.03 | willim_M | it the support for ntfs partitions any good? |
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| 10:46.12 | liable | pelo: bts. |
| 10:46.14 | Guerin | dpkg, no, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 10:46.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 10:46.25 | Guerin | willim_M: JAFPFS |
| 10:46.58 | pelo | liable: oki, but ... for what? kernel and nvidia modules didn't get updated |
| 10:46.59 | kd5uzz | how would i re-run a config script for a debian package? (libapache-mod-ssl)? |
| 10:47.11 | chrysopa | I have a computer with a HD SATA. With kernel vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-686 it works, with kernel vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 it dont work. I try to compile a kernel 2.6.8 based in config-2.6.8-2-686 to make this working but I dont make it. Anybody can haelp-me? |
| 10:47.16 | Guerin | kd5uzz: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:47.19 | liable | pelo: did you use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 10:47.35 | pelo | liable: aptitude |
| 10:47.36 | liable | pelo: xserver related stuff. |
| 10:47.47 | pelo | liable: thx, I'm going |
| 10:47.49 | liable | pelo: check the log for x stuff then. |
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| 10:48.15 | mo1991 | Guerin - which would you recommend ? Does sysvconfig have a gui? |
| 10:48.16 | chrysopa | I need to make this work without initrd.img and with SATA |
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| 10:49.00 | willim_M | Guerin: what is JAFPFS? |
| 10:49.18 | Guerin | mo1991: i can't remember which do and don't - i know update-rc.d doesn't. |
| 10:49.23 | Guerin | mo1991: try them all. |
| 10:49.40 | Guerin | willim_M: Just Another Fucking Proprietary FileSystem |
| 10:49.52 | liable | mo1991: sysvconfig is ncurses, which is sorta gui. good enough. |
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| 10:50.45 | Guerin | willim_M: meaning: free software can't use them because their owners refuse to document them in any useful way, and whatever support there is is available by reverse engineering, which is hard work and dicey at best. |
| 10:50.48 | willim_M | i think ill give up on a solution and just hit people if they use the wrong filename!! |
| 10:50.55 | Guerin | willim_M: that's wise. |
| 10:51.20 | Guerin | Moo_: there's exactly 0 reason for configuring system services from a gui anyhow. |
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| 10:51.31 | Guerin | mo1991: ^^^ |
| 10:51.34 | kd5uzz | Guerin thanks...I didn't notice your reply |
| 10:51.35 | mo1991 | OK - thanks guys - looks like sysvconfig does what i need it to |
| 10:51.41 | liable | !moo |
| 10:51.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 10:51.48 | mo1991 | guerin - thx |
| 10:51.54 | Guerin | mo1991: lol |
| 10:52.11 | YaleR_ | when halting, my computer gets all the way up to the last step - shutting down hda, it has the ability, it used to work and xp shuts down fine, any ideas? I don't know where to start |
| 10:52.39 | liable | YaleR_: then you have to use the button? |
| 10:52.47 | willim_M | thanks for the help |
| 10:52.54 | pelo | liable: sry for annoying but ... looking at aptitude logs I didn't get any X related update within last few days |
| 10:53.07 | chrysopa | What I need to put builtin in kernel to make it working with SATA and EXT3 without an initrd image? |
| 10:53.15 | Guerin | YaleR_: probably some acpi module gave up the ghost |
| 10:53.16 | YaleR_ | well, liable I'm not sure if thats safe, I assume it's already unmounted. But it used to be able to powerdown, and xp auto-powerdowns. It doesn't say 'now turn off your comp' it hangs at shutting down hda. |
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| 10:53.21 | liable | pelo: libs? |
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| 10:53.27 | pelo | nope |
| 10:53.28 | Guerin | chrysopa: depends on the sata controller |
| 10:53.38 | jm_ | chrysopa: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 10:53.46 | tralala | YaleR_: are you using a debian kernel or your own? |
| 10:53.50 | YaleR_ | my own |
| 10:54.00 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 10:54.00 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 10:54.07 | YaleR_ | lol. |
| 10:54.12 | YaleR_ | fair enough |
| 10:54.15 | tralala | than probably you haven't configured properly either apm or acpi |
| 10:54.18 | YaleR_ | thanks for the help |
| 10:54.18 | liable | pelo: well, gotta be something in there. |
| 10:54.24 | YaleR_ | I'll look into that acpi module |
| 10:54.29 | yaarg | hum personally i like to keep my kernel as minimal as possible |
| 10:54.35 | chrysopa | dpkg, debian kernel image dont work with my SATA:( |
| 10:54.43 | YaleR_ | doesn't like my mouse either. |
| 10:54.50 | liable | chrysopa: its a bot. |
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| 10:54.53 | Guerin | chrysopa: that's pretty funky, given that 2.4 does |
| 10:54.54 | YaleR_ | LOL |
| 10:55.02 | chrysopa | sorry :) |
| 10:55.09 | Guerin | chrysopa: try a 2.6.11 image from etch or sid |
| 10:55.31 | Guerin | YaleR_: modprobe psmouse; is probably what you need |
| 10:55.35 | pelo | liable: yes, I know, but I don't know what :) I've no ideas. Well I'll use nv while searching around. Thx |
| 10:55.56 | YaleR_ | Guerin: has to do with my scroll |
| 10:55.58 | chrysopa | I dont have phisical access at this time to computer, I have only net access. |
| 10:56.00 | YaleR_ | everything else works fine |
| 10:56.16 | Blue9 | YaleR_, is it a USB mouse? |
| 10:56.20 | chrysopa | I try this kernel, but, with this dont work I need to compile this. |
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| 10:56.27 | YaleR_ | well ps2/usb |
| 10:56.31 | YaleR_ | I have it in usb now |
| 10:56.42 | Blue9 | YaleR_, have you got usbhid in your /etc/modules? |
| 10:56.47 | Blue9 | That fixed my scrollwheel problem |
| 10:56.49 | Guerin | YaleR_: then it's an X config issue |
| 10:57.02 | YaleR_ | I fixed it |
| 10:57.11 | Guerin | chrysopa: that's ok. |
| 10:57.23 | Guerin | chrysopa: oh, you mean it hasn't booted? |
| 10:57.28 | chrysopa | It is very dificult to discover what I need to put builtin to make it work with SATA and EXT3 without an initrd image. |
| 10:58.03 | Guerin | chrysopa: your motherboard chipset modules, your sata controller modules and ext2 and 3 filesystems ought to do it |
| 10:58.26 | Guerin | chrysopa: but then again, it should work with a debian kernel, so try 2.6.11 from etch |
| 10:58.50 | chrysopa | IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller |
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| 10:58.58 | chrysopa | this is my serial ata controler |
| 10:59.08 | Guerin | !sarge hardware support |
| 10:59.08 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 10:59.17 | Guerin | oh, ich5 might be ok |
| 10:59.22 | jm_ | chrysopa: it isn't difficult - but people who don't know how to figure out should really not do this |
| 10:59.22 | chrysopa | Guerin, thanks, I try it first |
| 10:59.27 | mike-m | YaleR_, use driver ImPS/2 |
| 10:59.40 | mike-m | it works for usb mice |
| 10:59.47 | YaleR_ | I tried |
| 10:59.51 | YaleR_ | don't worry about it |
| 10:59.53 | YaleR_ | I fixed it long ago |
| 10:59.58 | mike-m | k |
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| 11:00.10 | chrysopa | Sometimes I need to compile kernel, I dont like this, but... |
| 11:00.35 | chrysopa | In my home the modem dont work with the debian kernel image 2.6.x |
| 11:00.44 | chrysopa | My modem is totaly offboard |
| 11:00.57 | chrysopa | Is an problem with serial |
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| 11:01.26 | chrysopa | I think that it is disable, I dont known, i dont test it yet. |
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| 11:06.10 | YaleR_ | I have a feeling it has to do with my usb devices |
| 11:06.23 | YaleR_ | I just added a card reader, it screwed up the mouse, and now this |
| 11:06.40 | YaleR_ | I'm adding logging to my kernel now |
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| 11:12.42 | Crasp | what config file should i use to add additional parameters to auto-loaded kernel modules? |
| 11:12.47 | Crasp | i.e.: i want to add ports=21,some,other,ports to ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 11:13.10 | Crasp | can i just hack that in modules.conf? |
| 11:13.13 | Kerr | Was messing about trying to get dvdrip to open an iso.. and brought eth0 back up after about a month offline (just got the net back) .. and noticed three perl processes eating up cpu. I killed them off and chkrootkit came up clean, no return; but i'm worried as i've seen similar on a compromised machine. Currently in the midle of upgrading packages, though i upgraded the day i lost my net. Do I have cause to worry ? |
| 11:13.28 | jm_ | Crasp: modules.conf is generated file, man update-modules |
| 11:13.35 | Crasp | jm_: thanks |
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| 11:14.01 | hellz__hunter | do i have to have an initrd image so i can boot up from a pure scsi system? |
| 11:14.11 | jm_ | hellz__hunter: no |
| 11:14.25 | jm_ | well it depends - you need it with Debian kernel images, but not with custom kernels |
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| 11:14.42 | hellz__hunter | i keep getting a kernel panic saying that it is trying to mount an unknown drive of (0,0) |
| 11:14.52 | jm_ | is this a custom kernel? |
| 11:15.00 | hellz__hunter | jm_, i used the kernel.org 2.6.12 kernel |
| 11:15.07 | jm_ | hellz__hunter: you misconfigured it |
| 11:15.12 | hellz__hunter | jm_, how so? |
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| 11:15.22 | jm_ | hellz__hunter: I wouldn't know, it was you doing it |
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| 11:15.39 | hellz__hunter | i dont know what it is that i misconfigured is what i mean |
| 11:15.49 | hellz__hunter | jm_, what is it that i want to look for to un-misconfigure it |
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| 11:15.51 | jm_ | hellz__hunter: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 11:15.52 | adrian_ | what is the format to add a user to the the sudoers file? |
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| 11:16.48 | hellz__hunter | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.11 | simonrvn | only if the thing was built with one in mind |
| 11:17.13 | jm_ | that is only relevant if your kernel needs it |
| 11:17.25 | jm_ | custom kernels typically don't need it |
| 11:17.37 | hellz__hunter | jm_, what is a situation (other than the debian kernels) would i need an initrd? |
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| 11:18.04 | jm_ | hellz__hunter: LVM or cryptofs or suchlike |
| 11:18.07 | hellz__hunter | jm_, maybe it would help if i told u that the system i am trying to get working, the first two drives are raid, and the last three are raid |
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| 11:25.55 | hellz__hunter | jm_, so as a failsafe, as long as i have all the modules i need compiled into the kernel, i wont need an initrd? |
| 11:26.19 | jm_ | hellz__hunter: no, it has to be compiled statically into the kernel to avoid the need for initrd |
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| 11:27.35 | hellz__hunter | jm_, yea i meant that :) |
| 11:27.53 | hellz__hunter | now i just need to figure out what specific drivers i need for a scsi/raid system |
| 11:27.58 | jm_ | hellz__hunter: but initrd is needed for other reasons for RAID setups I believe |
| 11:28.05 | hellz__hunter | oh |
| 11:28.55 | liable | hellz__hunter: why do you need to compile a kernel anyway? |
| 11:29.23 | hellz__hunter | liable, so i can use 2.6.12 |
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| 11:29.35 | hellz__hunter | plus to learn how to setup my own kernel on a scsi/raid system |
| 11:29.52 | ircdevil | ok - i have gotten hold of adblock-0.5-dev.xpi for installation with mozilla - but there seems to be missing documentation on how to install ? |
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| 11:31.15 | p30n | hello |
| 11:31.48 | p30n | could someone tell me what the easiest way to achieve raid 5 on sarge would be, i got 4 sata disks that i want raided, they are connected on a fasttrack 4 port sata contrl card |
| 11:32.33 | ircdevil | !lart mozdev for being crappy to navigate |
| 11:33.23 | bob2 | is fastrack actually a raid controller? |
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| 11:38.27 | p30n | yea |
| 11:38.51 | p30n | its a fujitsu-siemens card with fasttrack chip |
| 11:40.14 | bob2 | please turn that off, Cali |
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| 11:43.49 | cmihai | Wow, this ai thing is really smart: |
| 11:43.50 | cmihai | Human: You're not as dumb as you look. |
| 11:43.51 | cmihai | ALICE: Perhaps one day I will be as dumb as me look. |
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| 11:44.42 | Kven | Do I need plug and play support for alsa to detect sound? |
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| 11:44.52 | pego | hi |
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| 11:45.12 | daisuke | Kven: no, run alsaconf |
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| 11:50.44 | ircdevil | how do i "install" a mozilla project that comes in a .xpi file? |
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| 11:50.59 | ircdevil | docs sux hard |
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| 11:52.23 | liable | ircdevil: hmm, dont you just click on it in mozilla, from the web page? |
| 11:52.58 | ircdevil | liable: hmmm, lemmy test (using galeon here) |
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| 11:53.43 | xzakox | sourceforge down? |
| 11:53.56 | ircdevil | liable: aahahah - thanks |
| 11:54.55 | tarzeau | LOL |
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| 11:56.11 | liable | xzakox: erm, yes, as the web page says.. |
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| 11:56.32 | xzakox | mmmm no web for me liable |
| 11:56.39 | xzakox | it keeps on waiting |
| 11:56.42 | liable | xzakox: maintenance |
| 11:56.48 | xzakox | ok, tnksss |
| 11:56.50 | xzakox | :) |
| 11:57.43 | _mash | god dammit |
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| 11:58.12 | _mash | why my debian box doesn't recognize eth0 as my router? |
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| 11:58.27 | _mash | i mean debian/windows box. |
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| 11:59.26 | cockroach | hello. i'm trying to set up xinerama on a radeon 9250 card. i can now move with my mouse over both screens but they show the same image. what could be wrong there? |
| 11:59.31 | liable | _mash: wtf do you mean? |
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| 11:59.47 | cockroach | (same image except for the mouse pointer) |
| 12:00.25 | _mash | it doesn't find eth0 (device not found) |
| 12:01.05 | liable | _mash: have you upgraded kernel recently from 2.4? |
| 12:01.57 | liable | _mash: err, check the module is loaded for it. and explain it all a little better.. |
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| 12:03.13 | DonJohnny | hey someone installed the wrong language of debian on one of my servers..... is there any way to apt-get upgrade it to english ? |
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| 12:07.24 | sciboy | Heya, any usb wacom users who want an alternative solution to udev, i slapped together a quick script available from http://www.sciboy.org/downloads/findwacom |
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| 12:07.57 | bobwJek | hey guys, to install a base x windows system is it apt-get install xwindows-common??? |
| 12:08.01 | sciboy | You make ~/.dev, setup X to use the symlink and put the script in your .xsession |
| 12:08.14 | ircdevil | name me a bloated site so i can test if my ad blocking is working |
| 12:08.26 | Guerin | bobwJek: x-window-system-core |
| 12:08.35 | Guerin | ircdevil: daum.net |
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| 12:08.47 | p30n | question: how can i check where in /dev/sd_ my usb hdd drive is ?? |
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| 12:09.00 | sciboy | Thats it, everytime you start X, it'll remap the symlink to the wacom tablet. |
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| 12:09.05 | Crasp | p30n: it appears in dmesg when you plug it in |
| 12:09.22 | Guerin | !win sciboy |
| 12:09.24 | bobwJek | Guerin, thanks....then to use enlightenment i can just install that package and change my .Xauthority right? |
| 12:09.38 | p30n | Crasp: but im ssh“ing to my box, aint got no monitor, and its already plugged in |
| 12:09.40 | Guerin | bobwJek: .xsession or .xinitrc, yeah |
| 12:09.50 | bobwJek | Guerin, thanks again |
| 12:09.57 | Crasp | p30n: try: dmesg |grep '/dev/sd' |
| 12:10.04 | p30n | thanks |
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| 12:10.26 | Kerr | Was messing about trying to get dvdrip to open an iso.. and brought eth0 back up after about a month offline (just got the net back) .. and noticed three perl processes eating up cpu. I killed them off and chkrootkit came up clean, no return; but i'm worried as i've seen similar on a compromised machine. Currently in the midle of upgrading packages, though i upgraded the day i lost my net. Do I have cause to worry ? |
| 12:10.59 | Guerin | Kerr: what were the perl processes? |
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| 12:11.59 | p30n | Crasp: it wont say in there, only |
| 12:11.59 | p30n | WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 12:11.59 | p30n | USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
| 12:11.59 | p30n | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
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| 12:12.01 | Kerr | Guerin: I Killed them off before i read that :-/ |
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| 12:12.15 | Guerin | Kerr: look back through your terminal emulator history if you can |
| 12:12.27 | Crasp | p30n: you have scsi enabled in your kernel? |
| 12:12.36 | Guerin | Kerr: the backscroll, I mean |
| 12:12.42 | Crasp | p30n: if not.. try modprobe scsi |
| 12:12.45 | p30n | Crasp: i guess, it has worked before |
| 12:12.55 | Crasp | or at least see if it's loaded with lsmod |
| 12:12.57 | p30n | it just got a new /dev/sd_ |
| 12:13.01 | p30n | how do i do that ? |
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| 12:13.10 | Crasp | by typing lsmod |
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| 12:13.17 | Devil_Kin | any idea how i can fix the my xterm showing crap bold font? it works okay if i specify -fb font-bold, but how do i make this permanent? |
| 12:13.20 | Kerr | Guerin: i closed that shell window; my irssi froze up so i had to reconnect to my home pc. |
| 12:13.56 | p30n | Crasp: what am i looking for ? |
| 12:14.01 | ircdevil | Guerin: boy, that is an ugly site! |
| 12:14.04 | Crasp | scsi |
| 12:14.22 | jm_ | dpkg babelfish de en jm_ vermuten |
| 12:14.33 | p30n | Crasp: scsi_mod 86052 3 (autoclean) [usb-storage sata_promise libata sd_mod] |
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| 12:15.46 | Kerr | Guerin: ah.. i just tried to open the iso again (i know it was the wrong program) and a perl process showed up, i must have tried three times :) |
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| 12:16.17 | Guerin | ircdevil: welcome to the korean internet |
| 12:16.30 | Kerr | /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/dvdrip /home/media/iso.iso |
| 12:16.46 | Kerr | guess it's no real problem |
| 12:16.52 | DonJohnny | How can i switch language on my debian server ? |
| 12:16.54 | Crasp | p30n: well than i suppose you just try fdisking a few /dev/sd's to see which one it is :) |
| 12:17.06 | Guerin | lesson: identify your target before firing on it. |
| 12:17.23 | Guerin | fdisk -l |
| 12:17.24 | greycat | DonJohnny: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:17.29 | p30n | ok thanks Crasp |
| 12:17.33 | DonJohnny | ok tx... |
| 12:17.41 | greycat | but I'm not texas! |
| 12:17.59 | Crasp | p30n: what Guerin says :) |
| 12:18.06 | Blue9 | Wow, greycat - you're a whole state now? |
| 12:18.06 | Crasp | p30n: fdisk -l |
| 12:19.10 | Crasp | Guerin: i'm used to friendly fire being turned off :p |
| 12:19.11 | Guerin | greycat just keeps embracing and extending |
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| 12:19.25 | Guerin | Crasp: oh, unix isn't like windows |
| 12:19.27 | greycat | Guerin: yeah, all that spam about extensions actually paid off! |
| 12:19.32 | Guerin | greycat: heh |
| 12:19.35 | cockroach | i'm trying to setup xinerama on a radeon 9250. i can move my mouse over both screens but they show the exact same picture (except for the mouse pointer). what's wrong there? |
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| 12:20.10 | _mash | this is my problem: when i type ifup -a comes an message eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: Device not found |
| 12:20.23 | Blue9 | _mash, you don't seem to have an eth0 |
| 12:20.24 | l4vim | I use LSI hardware controller to make RAID stripping array with 2 drives that I befor have on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 12:20.25 | greycat | _mash: sounds like the driver isn't loaded |
| 12:20.29 | p30n | Crasp Guerin whats the problem when fdisk -l returns nothing |
| 12:20.35 | l4vim | where can I find my raid device ? /dev/??? |
| 12:20.48 | greycat | ooooh, a stripping array! |
| 12:20.48 | _mash | it worked when i used it last time |
| 12:21.13 | greycat | does it dance with a pole, too? |
| 12:21.13 | Blue9 | Awesome, I'd pay to see that. |
| 12:21.13 | Crasp | p30n: then it doesn't have partitions |
| 12:21.20 | p30n | ok |
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| 12:21.55 | Blue9 | _mash, did you poke anything electrical into the back of your NIC? If not, try lsmod to see if your NIC module is loaded. |
| 12:22.09 | _mash | okay |
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| 12:22.21 | positrix | omg. did dpkg just quit? |
| 12:22.25 | _mash | but wait |
| 12:22.33 | _mash | in windows it works just fine |
| 12:22.44 | Blue9 | _mash, Not the same drivers ;) |
| 12:22.45 | bob2 | the network connection between ucr and freenode sometimes screws up |
| 12:22.47 | Blue9 | Check your modules |
| 12:23.30 | Blue9 | Bye |
| 12:23.30 | greycat | positrix: you may panic now. |
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| 12:23.55 | Blue9 | Wait, dpkg has gone? Who's going to answer all the silly questions now? |
| 12:24.03 | asg | Blue9: greycat of course |
| 12:24.07 | Blue9 | asg, Ah :) |
| 12:24.10 | Blue9 | Fair enough. |
| 12:24.32 | ircdevil | Blue9: apt or ravenbird |
| 12:24.40 | tralala | or in the worst case apt |
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| 12:26.05 | greycat | !status |
| 12:26.14 | greycat | (just a probe... sometimes there are other bots who respond to !) |
| 12:26.33 | tralala | ~test |
| 12:26.33 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 12:26.37 | greycat | but apparently not right now. |
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| 12:27.42 | Blue9 | greycat, did you code dpkg? |
| 12:27.42 | greycat | dondelelcaro: pssst... your bot's gone missing. |
| 12:27.48 | greycat | Blue9: no |
| 12:27.54 | Blue9 | Fair enough. |
| 12:27.56 | greycat | xk did it originally, then dondelelcaro took over, and a few others have helped |
| 12:28.08 | mo1991 | is there a menu editor in Sarge?????? Apt-get install puts items all over the place - would like to organize the menu's better - belive gnome doesn't have a good one - any ideas? |
| 12:28.10 | Blue9 | Best bot i've seen :) |
| 12:28.16 | Blue9 | mo1991, smeg :) |
| 12:28.19 | kALot | is there any short way to upgrade kde 3.3 to kde 3.4 ? |
| 12:28.24 | ircdevil | greycat: where did xk go? mac-osx ? |
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| 12:28.32 | greycat | ircdevil: he comes here once in a while |
| 12:28.34 | Blue9 | wb _mash. |
| 12:28.42 | mo1991 | Blue9 smeg??? |
| 12:28.43 | _mash | nope, no eth0 loaded |
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| 12:28.57 | asg | ircdevil: he gets fed up with irc and goes away for a few months; then the cycle starts over. |
| 12:29.00 | Blue9 | _mash, Do you know what module your NIC needs? |
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| 12:29.11 | Blue9 | Find out and then try "modprobe /modulename/ |
| 12:29.13 | Blue9 | " |
| 12:29.19 | kALot | hi, |
| 12:29.21 | kALot | is there any short way to upgrade kde 3.3 to kde 3.4 ? |
| 12:29.26 | _mash | yes |
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| 12:29.42 | kALot | what is it ? use apt ? |
| 12:29.53 | l4vim | where I should have (/dev/what?) scsi raid array (hardware) from /dev/sda + /dev/sdb devices ? |
| 12:29.55 | kALot | nice time. :P |
| 12:29.56 | liable | !wb |
| 12:29.56 | dpkg | thanks, liable. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:30.04 | Blue9 | !wb |
| 12:30.17 | Blue9 | eek, liable beat me to it |
| 12:30.22 | greycat | l4vim: if it's really true hardware SCSI RAID, then it should show up to your SCSI controller as a SCSI disk. |
| 12:30.29 | mo1991 | Blue9 - smeg is the simple menu editor for gnome - I can't find this package in sarge? |
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| 12:30.36 | _mash | apt-get remove kde-common (am i right?), then apt-get install kde-common |
| 12:30.49 | Kven | Hmm... I can't seem to set up my sound driver to be built in the kernel... Alsaconf says "No supported PnP or PCI card found.", am I supposed to do something else but check the box and run alsaconf? |
| 12:30.53 | greycat | if it's not SCSI RAID (e.g. you have an *internal* card of some sort, rather than an external box that hooks to your computer with a SCSI cable), then I can't even begin to guess. |
| 12:30.54 | l4vim | greycat : /dev/sdX ? |
| 12:30.54 | _mash | tho i'd use flux |
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| 12:31.04 | Kven | If I set the driver as module it does load :\ |
| 12:31.21 | Blue9 | mo1991, Get it's source then. |
| 12:31.45 | liable | _mash: what does ifconfig show? anything? eth1? |
| 12:31.54 | greycat | liable: he wants "ifconfig -a" here. |
| 12:32.04 | liable | yep |
| 12:32.09 | greycat | without the -a, it'll skip all the unconfigured interfaces |
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| 12:33.21 | greycat | Kven: bulid it as a module like god intended. |
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| 12:33.42 | greycat | there's really no justification for building *sound* drivers into the main kernel |
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| 12:34.08 | Kven | If I can build in the sound into the kernel I can throw away loadable modules support |
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| 12:34.41 | cbr | okay.. where the hell in kopete can i change that those MSN Messenger style popups wouldn't bug me when somebody comes online? |
| 12:34.52 | greycat | Kven: the purpose being...? |
| 12:35.26 | djg | How can I update the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 12:35.38 | djg | I tried apt-get update, but I think I'm missing the point. |
| 12:35.54 | liable | djg: what did you do to it? |
| 12:36.31 | Kven | Getting the tiniest bits of speedup, debian barely matches up with winxp in speed |
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| 12:37.09 | djg | liable: Nothing, but I'm searching for a package that I know exists in one of my sources but it doesn't show up. I read the manual for dpkg-query, and it states that /var/lig/dpkg/status is the foundation for the search, so I figured it might not be up to date. I tried to search the manual for information on that file, but I couldn't find any. |
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| 12:37.33 | liable | djg: try available. |
| 12:37.41 | Kven | Err |
| 12:37.49 | djg | liable: Could you be more specific? |
| 12:38.01 | chealer | cbr: ask #debian-kde |
| 12:38.03 | markit | hi :) any idea about how can I copy a file from a dvd ignoring CRC errors? It seems damaged, but I would be happy to be able to copy it "as is" |
| 12:38.11 | liable | djg: /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 12:38.14 | cbr | chealer, figured it out already |
| 12:38.23 | Kven | Kay nvm... This is silly... Sound is working after just turning on a few more progs :\ |
| 12:38.24 | djg | liable: But how do I search that? |
| 12:38.36 | liable | djg: grep |
| 12:38.42 | djg | :) |
| 12:38.54 | Agrajag- | anyone here happen to use openbox3? |
| 12:39.03 | liable | djg: apt-cache doesnt show it? |
| 12:39.09 | djg | liable: Now would be a good time to hand by head in shame. |
| 12:39.54 | djg | liable: It does, yes. |
| 12:40.09 | streuner | !tell Agrajag- about ask |
| 12:40.18 | djg | liable: I'm trying to understand how a package gets into /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:40.29 | liable | djg: /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 12:40.39 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 12:40.43 | greycat | djg: status is what's actually installed. |
| 12:40.58 | ^rob^ | q: where does msttcorefont install ttf fonts? |
| 12:40.59 | greycat | (or formerly-installed-and-now-removed) |
| 12:41.03 | djg | Ah |
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| 12:41.22 | ^rob^ | oh - got them |
| 12:41.52 | djg | So apt-cache search searches /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 12:42.28 | djg | It'd be nice to be able to search all package titles alone... |
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| 12:42.38 | greycat | djg: apt-cache search --names-only |
| 12:43.06 | djg | Thanks. |
| 12:43.18 | djg | Some people are like a walking man page. |
| 12:43.43 | rastaval | !seen |stefan| |
| 12:43.43 | dpkg | |stefan| <~stefan@tsukasa.networksolutions.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 49d 18h 56m 43s ago, saying: 'csy font problems i see =)'. |
| 12:43.52 | Agrajag- | ok well im trying to use openbox and it claims there's a 'dock' in the obconfigure program but i see no such dock |
| 12:44.10 | tarzeau | and adaptec 2930CU on a apple mac should work fine for harddisks. no? |
| 12:44.12 | Agrajag- | and whoever packaged openbox for debian really has made a mess of it |
| 12:44.40 | liable | Agrajag-: well, you could always do it.. |
| 12:45.33 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: you can check with apt-cache show openbox |grep ^Maint |
| 12:45.45 | Agrajag- | i know.. |
| 12:46.07 | Agrajag- | liable: yes but that's not the point - i thought there was at least some sort of quality control |
| 12:46.31 | greycat | Agrajag-: the bug tracking system |
| 12:46.40 | liable | Agrajag-: true, but no point bitching here. |
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| 12:47.07 | Agrajag- | greycat: yeah, but i mean *before* a package gets uploaded |
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| 12:47.28 | greycat | Agrajag-: the New Maintainer process |
| 12:47.36 | djg | I've just learnt the valuable lesson that is not a good idea to do apt-get autoclean midway through an interupted apt-get dist-upgrade. *weeps* |
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| 12:48.12 | nerdy2 | heh |
| 12:48.45 | Agrajag- | greycat: yeah i know there is _supposed_ to be a process, but in some cases it doesn't seem to work too well. oh well, can't complain really |
| 12:48.46 | streuner | Agrajag-: well, most users are satisfied, if there are problems report them in BTS |
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| 12:49.21 | streuner | Agrajag-: openbox 3 runs fine here since ages..., btw. |
| 12:49.29 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: there's 1500 people involved making packages |
| 12:49.36 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: and 700 debian developers (or so) |
| 12:49.41 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: and only about 50 sponsors |
| 12:49.44 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: go figure |
| 12:49.51 | liable | oh |
| 12:49.55 | tarzeau | (don't make me tell, there's one guy for security :) |
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| 12:50.24 | liable | hehe, just threw that in so you could add that last line. |
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| 12:52.24 | carbon60 | What is a good way to remotely (ssh, http, whatever) control an audio player over the network? |
| 12:52.51 | carbon60 | I've got a box with a bunch of music on it hooked up to speakers in the office, I'd like to be able to control it from other workstations. |
| 12:52.53 | positrix | carbon60: screen, with pytone or similar |
| 12:53.08 | carbon60 | positrix: Yeah, screen is a thought. |
| 12:53.10 | greycat | carbon60: however you like. web interface, ssh xmms, etc. |
| 12:53.11 | carbon60 | What's pytone? |
| 12:53.57 | positrix | console-based mpg321 frontend in python. got some playlist capability, music library, etc |
| 12:54.07 | carbon60 | Cool. |
| 12:54.18 | carbon60 | Think it will grob my m4a files? |
| 12:54.19 | positrix | apt-cache show pytone will tell you more |
| 12:54.21 | bob2 | like cplay |
| 12:54.33 | carbon60 | s/grob/grok/ |
| 12:54.51 | drac | !grok |
| 12:54.52 | dpkg | hmm... grok is http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=grok |
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| 12:55.51 | liable | can you run xmms from command line? (without x) |
| 12:56.32 | greycat | liable: once xmms is already running, you can do things like "skip to the next song" with a command line switch |
| 12:56.36 | NOthsouth | how can I set gnome window transparency ? |
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| 12:56.46 | tralala | maybe I can, but I would rather run mpg123 or ogg123 |
| 12:56.53 | Blue9 | mpg123 is a good CLI mp3 player |
| 12:56.58 | greycat | is not. |
| 12:56.58 | liable | greycat: ahh, ok. |
| 12:57.13 | miguel_ | hi there. Anyone knows why krita is on testing but not on unstable? I tried installing koffice but krita doesn't appear. |
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| 12:57.32 | ircdevil | exit |
| 12:57.40 | tralala | miguel_: because it is unstable? |
| 12:57.41 | raf256 | how should I change default/current scheduilng? |
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| 12:57.52 | cockroach | i'm trying to setup xinerama on a radeon 9250 (xf4.3, 2.6.12.2). i can move my mouse over both screens but they show the exact same picture (except for the mouse pointer). what's wrong there? |
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| 12:57.58 | greycat | raf256: UTFKS. HTH. HAND. |
| 12:57.59 | drac | NOthsouth: You can't, with XFree. If you are feeling lucky, you can /msg dpkg xorg |
| 12:58.12 | raf256 | !UTFKS |
| 12:58.18 | drac | NOthsouth: but that's not supported here. |
| 12:58.19 | miguel_ | tralala: that's what I mean, it should be on unstable |
| 12:58.30 | greycat | Use The Fine Kernel Source |
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| 12:58.40 | tralala | I guess it should |
| 12:58.48 | raf256 | greycat: say what? even google doesnt report anything about this UTFKS... |
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| 12:58.48 | Wyzard | NOthsouth: transparency support requires xorg, which just recently (like yesterday) went into unstable, but I don't think the necessary tools (xcompmgr and transset) are packaged yet |
| 12:59.00 | Edwin | test |
| 12:59.11 | greycat | !info xbase-clients unstable |
| 12:59.17 | liable | no Edwin your not online.. |
| 12:59.17 | dpkg | xbase-clients: (miscellaneous X clients), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 1894 kB, Installed size: 5072 kB |
| 12:59.18 | drac | Wyzard: X.Org in unstable? Not in my apt-cache (unstable/experimental). |
| 12:59.24 | Edwin | ? |
| 12:59.27 | Wyzard | drac: still in incoming, I believe |
| 12:59.31 | greycat | I think Wyzard is hallucinating again |
| 12:59.35 | liable | drac: today. |
| 12:59.35 | Edwin | ok |
| 12:59.49 | NOthsouth | :D |
| 12:59.52 | NOthsouth | thx guys |
| 13:00.12 | raf256 | !chillout Wyzard |
| 13:00.13 | Wyzard | greycat: It's in incoming |
| 13:01.03 | greycat | what the hell is that first one? a three-armed man? |
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| 13:01.47 | liable | hehe. he gets the arm the last dude is missing. |
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| 13:02.02 | Wyzard | I guess I should've said "is just going into unstable today" |
| 13:02.27 | greycat | oh boy. |
| 13:02.53 | g0rd0n | please, can someone past me an original /etc/apt/sources.list in pm for sarge? thanks |
| 13:03.08 | liable | g0rd0n: apt-setup. |
| 13:03.43 | g0rd0n | liable: the thing is i'm not on a debian distro, i want to upgrade to debian :P |
| 13:04.10 | Wyzard | g0rd0n: You can't "upgrade" to Debian for Knoppix or Ubuntu or whatever by doing a dist-upgrade from a Debian source |
| 13:04.16 | Wyzard | s/for/from/ |
| 13:04.19 | liable | g0rd0n: well, get the install cd, and install it, otherwise you will end up wanting to kill yourself. |
| 13:04.23 | Blue9 | You can.. kind of. |
| 13:04.30 | cafuego | Wyzard: Yes, you can (with a bit of help) |
| 13:04.38 | greycat | liable: or we'll end up wanting to kill him |
| 13:04.41 | Wyzard | Blue9: Unless you're talking about debootstrap, no, you can't |
| 13:04.44 | Blue9 | I know someone who has gone hoary->sarge. |
| 13:04.46 | liable | greycat: heh |
| 13:04.59 | AdDicti | hey guys, i got i little prob with apt-get and aptitude. I got one package(libct1) stuck in both and cant use them. i have tried to remove it with apt-get remove and with aptitude, doesnt work just says that its in a very inconsistent state and i should reinstall. tried reinstalling but it says that the files list for that package is missing and it gives an error 25 and doesnt do anything |
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| 13:05.15 | cafuego | Wyzard: The trick is to start with warty, not hoary. |
| 13:05.20 | g0rd0n | Wyzard: i upgraded from sarge to hoary some months ago and all went fine =) |
| 13:05.21 | AdDicti | have read the man for both but im so noob i didnt kinda understand anything ;P |
| 13:05.37 | philips | What is the difference between kernel-source and kernel-tree? I am trying to build the spca5xx driverson a Stable/Testing box |
| 13:05.38 | greycat | !faq AdDicti |
| 13:05.39 | dpkg | AdDicti: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:05.49 | greycat | "very inconsistent state" is documented in there. |
| 13:05.51 | greycat | really. |
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| 13:06.16 | AdDicti | greycat, thanks, i'll check that out |
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| 13:06.20 | Blue9 | philips, you can just use your kernel-headers |
| 13:06.27 | Blue9 | philips, that's what I did anyway. |
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| 13:06.49 | bobw | does anyone know what the new update to the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 is?? |
| 13:06.50 | Wyzard | cafuego: Everytime someone comes here and says "I'm running Debian... I installed Knoppix and then changed my sources to Debian and did a dist-upgrade", we tell them that's not a valid installation method, what they're left with is neither Knoppix nor Debian, and to go away and install Debian properly |
| 13:06.58 | tech9iner | you people should be proud eh?.. nokia using debian os on http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000750044526/ !! woohoo.. mark one up for debian distro! ;];] |
| 13:07.04 | tarzeau | bobw: changelog doesn't say? |
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| 13:07.09 | Wyzard | cafuego: Don't say now that it's supported |
| 13:07.32 | Fleck | hibernate works on dekstop PC? |
| 13:07.34 | bobw | tarzeau: where can i view the changelog? |
| 13:07.34 | cafuego | Wyzard: Oh, it's certanly not supported, but wih a bit of skill i _can_ be done sucessfully. |
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| 13:07.48 | tarzeau | bobw: packages.debian.org/WHATEVER there |
| 13:07.52 | tech9iner | not to mention hearing great things bout Sarge ;];] |
| 13:07.58 | tarzeau | bobw: or in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE when it's installed |
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| 13:08.18 | leOn | nokia was really dumb not including a phone in that tablet pc |
| 13:08.39 | Wyzard | cafuego: Well, telling that to g0rd0n (who seems to want to do it naively) will just confuse the issue |
| 13:08.46 | leOn | they had the chance to really make something new and stuck with a tablet running linux |
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| 13:09.17 | Guerin | dpkg, qotd134 is -!- tech9iner has left #debian ["FedoraCore and CentOS.. HOW CAN A POOR SMB SOHO LOSE with this winning combo! ;];]"] |
| 13:09.18 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 13:09.41 | Guerin | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/133/133|134/ |
| 13:09.41 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 13:09.43 | cafuego | Wyzard: Well, tell him to go right ahead, but not ask for help when (not if) it goes wrong. |
| 13:09.46 | jm_ | centos is apparently quite decent |
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| 13:10.09 | Guerin | jm_: it's just rebadgered RHEL |
| 13:10.24 | jm_ | Guerin: yes, which is not that bad |
| 13:10.27 | Blue9 | Rebadgered eh? Sounds painful. |
| 13:10.38 | Guerin | jm_: bah |
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| 13:11.28 | asg | Guerin: should have made that a flw instead of qotd |
| 13:11.44 | tralala | jm_: probably it's not in case you want to reallocate your windows sysadmin without spending on proper training |
| 13:11.52 | Guerin | asg: heh |
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| 13:13.20 | asg | !qotd131 |
| 13:13.20 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
| 13:13.37 | raf256 | heeh |
| 13:13.46 | liable | haha |
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| 13:14.08 | raf256 | asg: yeah that was cool ;) |
| 13:14.18 | positrix | been days since i lauged like that |
| 13:14.26 | positrix | *laughed |
| 13:14.46 | asg | positrix: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune (my nightly qotd -> fortune file version of #debian qotds) |
| 13:15.27 | Guerin | !asg++ |
| 13:15.57 | asg | Guerin: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-flw.fortune (the famous last words fortune file also) |
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| 13:16.56 | disasm | heya all, the samba package in sarge is broken (i would have known if i would have remembered to install apt-listbugs) are there any working debs i can download and dpkg manually that will work with sarge, or should i temporarily compile from src to get it up and running? |
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| 13:17.06 | setuid | When, if ever, is Debian going to support x.org? |
| 13:17.08 | AdDicti | yay, i found it and it works now ;P should've try look it out from there byt thanks for pointing it out for me ;P |
| 13:17.20 | asg | setuid: it entered unstable for some arches yesterday |
| 13:17.26 | Kven | /proc/dri being an empty directory means DRI isn't configured proper? |
| 13:17.34 | greycat | setuid: Real Soon Now. |
| 13:17.35 | asg | disasm: sarge's samba should not be broken. Check the bts (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 13:17.38 | setuid | XFree86 is getting long in the tooth, and I can't get DynamicClocks working on my laptop to cool the GPU |
| 13:17.56 | greycat | setuid: awwwwww, poor little setuid. |
| 13:18.01 | setuid | I thought freedesktop.org *WAS* X.org, but I guess not. |
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| 13:19.05 | sciboy | Hi, is there much difference between compiling my kernel from a kernel-source package and compiling my kernel from whats available at kernel.org? |
| 13:19.14 | Blissex | sciboy: yes. |
| 13:19.31 | sciboy | Whats the most notable difference? |
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| 13:20.05 | Blissex | sciboy: from a few dozen to a few hundred patches to start with. Then that you get a .deb in one case and not in the other. |
| 13:20.10 | abrotman | setuid: you did check the topic right ? |
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| 13:20.25 | tralala | Blissex: 1. correct, 2. wrong |
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| 13:20.44 | bob2 | Underwrld live would be a site to behold |
| 13:20.56 | migiel | i've looped a .bin file to my /tmp dir, but it's only 2.8 mb, how can i increase the size of it ? |
| 13:20.58 | bob2 | Debian's kernels are much closer to kernel.org than they used to be |
| 13:21.02 | bob2 | only bug fixes |
| 13:21.04 | bob2 | no new features |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | no more stupid ramfs that only debian uses :) |
| 13:21.36 | Blissex | migiel: and what's the point? |
| 13:21.37 | Rydekull | im kind of curious |
| 13:21.52 | migiel | Blissex: i need to increase the size, so i can put a bigger file in it |
| 13:21.59 | Rydekull | can someone tell me if im the onlyone thinking that the description and manpage on the package 'gbase' is wrong? |
| 13:22.10 | Rydekull | since well, it says it can be run from console |
| 13:22.11 | Rydekull | but it cant |
| 13:22.18 | Blissex | migiel: no, whats the point of having a fixed size '.bin' file as '/tmp'? It is both slow and limiting... |
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| 13:22.37 | Rydekull | so it must be built wrong or someone smoked something when they built it |
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| 13:22.48 | migiel | Blissex: i'm going to make a bootable .iso |
| 13:22.59 | greycat | Rydekull: what error do you get when you run it from a console? |
| 13:23.02 | migiel | and i need 100 kb more... for my kernel |
| 13:23.05 | streuner | bob2: so ubuntu's kernels are better? |
| 13:23.06 | abrotman | Rydekull: i don't have it installed .. but did you read the man page ? |
| 13:23.08 | Blissex | migiel: that does not follow... |
| 13:23.14 | Rydekull | rydekull@munin:~$ gbase -d 707406378 |
| 13:23.15 | migiel | why not ? |
| 13:23.17 | Rydekull | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 13:23.23 | migiel | im creating a bootable netinstall cd... |
| 13:23.26 | Blissex | migiel: why then mount it as '/tmp/'? |
| 13:23.27 | asg | asg@rob:~$ gbase -h 16 |
| 13:23.27 | asg | Dec: 22 |
| 13:23.32 | Rydekull | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.33 | bob2 | streuner: yes, that's exactly what I said |
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| 13:23.35 | Rydekull | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.35 | migiel | so i can edit the default kernel ? |
| 13:23.37 | Rydekull | :) |
| 13:23.43 | boing4k | hello at all |
| 13:23.46 | streuner | bob2: troll somewhere else. |
| 13:23.47 | Blissex | migiel: for '/tmp' you should use 'tmpfs' |
| 13:23.51 | Rydekull | asg: well, wont let me do it :) |
| 13:23.56 | asg | Rydekull: what debian? |
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| 13:23.59 | tralala | streuner: don't be a moron |
| 13:24.07 | migiel | oh i meant, i mounted it as loop in /tmp |
| 13:24.14 | migiel | and /tmp should be /mnt |
| 13:24.15 | migiel | :p |
| 13:24.24 | abrotman | oh .. i think bob2 broke one of bob2's op guidelines :) |
| 13:24.25 | Rydekull | asg: unstable |
| 13:24.34 | internat | oh? |
| 13:24.40 | bob2 | yes, but I'm not in the mood to be trolled |
| 13:24.41 | disasm | asg: ok, i think it was the one from security.debian.org that had the reports, so I removed that from the sources.list and purged samba, and then installed it again, and it hangs on Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd and won't get past that. Is that samba, or something else that would cause it to hang like that. It's been hanging for about 5 mins |
| 13:24.44 | asg | Rydekull: I just installed it on my unstable, the first bit of output is above. |
| 13:24.53 | Rydekull | asg: well that is fun :) |
| 13:24.55 | streuner_ | tralala: We don't need ubuntu trolls here |
| 13:24.57 | migiel | so how can i increase the size... it's 2.8 mb now, i need 2.9.. |
| 13:25.03 | setuid | I compiled freedesktop.org from CVS yesterday, installed it, and its still XFree86 |
| 13:25.03 | setuid | greycat: the GPU makes the difference between a 2-hour battery life and a 5-hour battery life. Its significant. |
| 13:25.08 | streuner_ | tralala: even when they are OP's |
| 13:25.11 | Rydekull | asg: rydekull@munin:~$ gbase -h 16 |
| 13:25.15 | Rydekull | asg: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 13:25.17 | Rydekull | asg: :) |
| 13:25.20 | greycat | setuid: be patient. it's in incoming. |
| 13:25.22 | asg | Rydekull: don't run it as root |
| 13:25.26 | Blissex | migiel: the best way you have is to create a new file of the new size, format it, loop it, and copy everything across. |
| 13:25.27 | Rydekull | that's kinda funny |
| 13:25.28 | tralala | streuner_: so we don't need you, since you're the only one speaking about ubuntu right now |
| 13:25.30 | Rydekull | asg: I aint root :) |
| 13:25.35 | abrotman | Rydekull: normally .. we'd punish you for running stuff as root :) |
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| 13:25.48 | Rydekull | abrotman: but I aint :) |
| 13:25.50 | streuner_ | tralala: scroll up, you missed the whole point... |
| 13:25.52 | migiel | Blissex: ok |
| 13:25.55 | NOthsouth | how can i open a kdm on F8 ? ... i mean another kdm.. |
| 13:25.56 | Rydekull | dekull@munin:~$ id |
| 13:25.56 | Rydekull | uid=1000(rydekull) gid=1000(rydekull) groups=105(cosrin),1000(rydekull) |
| 13:25.57 | Rydekull | :) |
| 13:25.58 | Blissex | migiel: but note that bootable floppy images are either 1.44m or 2.88m because precisely they are bootable floppy images |
| 13:25.59 | asg | Rydekull: yeah, seems to want to init some gtk stuff either way. |
| 13:25.59 | raf256 | Bisex \o/ |
| 13:26.02 | abrotman | Rydekull: i realize that |
| 13:26.16 | asg | Rydekull: if you aren't in 'X' running it from an xterm. |
| 13:26.20 | disasm | NOthsouth: startx -- :1 will open a new xsession, and then have that launch kde |
| 13:26.24 | Blissex | migiel: some BIOSes will have difficulty booting a floppy image that is not the size of a floppy. |
| 13:26.25 | migiel | Blissex: i know, but im burning it on a cd, so that shouldnt matter, right ? |
| 13:26.34 | raf256 | !rhoabhtd abrotman |
| 13:26.35 | tralala | streuner_: no, I didn't. The whole lastlog of bob2 doesn't mention ubuntu, yours does. |
| 13:26.40 | raf256 | !rhhoabhtd abrotman |
| 13:26.44 | migiel | or i should make a smaller kernel.. |
| 13:26.45 | abrotman | dumbass |
| 13:26.46 | Blissex | migiel: perhaps you should really read one of the many HOWTOs on creating bootable CD ;-) |
| 13:26.46 | Rydekull | asg: Im in console :) Hence the reason why I wanted it to run in console and which is why I find it funny complaining on GTK :) |
| 13:26.51 | Rydekull | asg: or well, a display |
| 13:26.53 | migiel | Blissex: i have :P |
| 13:27.01 | streuner_ | tralala: <shrug> |
| 13:27.11 | Blissex | migiel: then you have noticed that the standard way is to put on the CD a bootable floppy image... |
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| 13:27.29 | Blissex | migiel: if you want different ways, you could use ISOLINUX or GRUB to boot. |
| 13:27.33 | mrjive | hi * |
| 13:27.39 | abrotman | on the bright side .. raf256 has created quite a few useless factoids |
| 13:27.40 | asg | Rydekull: yes, then I'd file a bug to have them change 'console' to 'xterm' or similar. |
| 13:27.43 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 13:27.43 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a gentoo user |
| 13:27.49 | mrjive | i'm having some trouble with woody->sarge |
| 13:27.58 | cafuego | !bcsdhk is vbhfk |
| 13:27.58 | tralala | streuner_: this means that if you have issues with him you shouldn't bother us with them |
| 13:27.58 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 13:27.59 | Rydekull | asg: yeah, sounds like it |
| 13:28.03 | raf256 | gentoo user lol |
| 13:28.04 | cafuego | DIE!!! |
| 13:28.04 | Blissex | migiel: using either ISOLINUX or GRUB (a recent GRUB) to boot a CD you no longer need to create bootable floppy images. |
| 13:28.06 | migiel | Blissex: i need it, to install an other server... |
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| 13:28.38 | streuner__ | bob2: don't /msg me |
| 13:28.47 | mrjive | mysql refuses to start, no trace left on syslog or mysql.log or mysql.err |
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| 13:28.56 | g0rd0n | Wyzard, cafuego: 308 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. hihi =) |
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| 13:29.07 | mrjive | if i try to upgrade mysql-server a lot of packages are to be removed... |
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| 13:29.17 | cafuego | g0rd0n: There's still stuff that will need manual attention. |
| 13:29.21 | bob2 | streuner__: then I'll move right to banning you for trolling then. I conceded to your request not to mention ubuntu, now you're hallucinating that I am. just stop it. |
| 13:29.41 | streuner__ | bob2: you are talking nonsense |
| 13:29.57 | streuner__ | bob2: should i paste the logs? |
| 13:30.13 | Rydekull | asg: anyhow... while we are at it, can ya do a gbase -d 707406378 and tell me the hex one :P |
| 13:30.14 | bob2 | do whatever you want |
| 13:30.19 | Rydekull | asg: if you aint to busy :) |
| 13:30.28 | asg | Rydekull: I just purged it. |
| 13:30.37 | Rydekull | asg: ahh, too bad, i'll turn to the net ten |
| 13:30.38 | Rydekull | then |
| 13:30.40 | abrotman | Rydekull: there is more than one app to do that |
| 13:30.41 | asg | abrotman: stop, drop, and roll |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | asg: duck and cover! |
| 13:30.51 | mrjive | hey i'm a gentoo user longing to switch to debian.... |
| 13:30.54 | Rydekull | abrotman: know of any good console one? :) |
| 13:31.02 | asg | Rydekull: bc |
| 13:31.02 | abrotman | bc doesn't work ? |
| 13:31.04 | egg|roam | ? |
| 13:31.08 | shingouz | !tell mrjive about d-i |
| 13:31.08 | Rydekull | ok |
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| 13:31.12 | shingouz | mrjive: ;) |
| 13:31.13 | abrotman | mrjive: what's going to be removed ? |
| 13:31.20 | mrjive | just kidding... ;) |
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| 13:31.45 | mrjive | abrotman: apache for example |
| 13:31.49 | asg | mrjive: did you follow the upgrade instructions, or just changed sources and did apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | mrjive: uhm .. are you dist-upgrading ? |
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| 13:32.42 | mrjive | just trying to install mysql-server (actually to upgrade) |
| 13:32.56 | egg|roam | so? |
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| 13:33.04 | abrotman | mrjive: but you're upgrading at the same time ? |
| 13:33.23 | positrix | my clock is so off its funny. how do i use ntpdate? (the man page doesn't mention what server to use) |
| 13:33.27 | abrotman | egg|roam: did you ask a qestion ? |
| 13:33.35 | greycat | positrix: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 13:33.36 | abrotman | positrix: pool.ntp.org |
| 13:33.42 | abrotman | !tell positrix about ntp |
| 13:33.45 | egg|roam | mrjive, so? |
| 13:33.52 | mrjive | abrotman: nope, just changed the sources.list -> update-> apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 13:34.05 | abrotman | mrjive: well .. guess what .. that's .. WRONG! :) |
| 13:34.07 | asg | mrjive: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:34.17 | mrjive | egg|roam: after some mess, here's what i get: |
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| 13:34.30 | mrjive | asg: ok tnx |
| 13:34.46 | positrix | thanks |
| 13:35.00 | mrjive | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 13:35.00 | mrjive | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.02 | internat | any server |
| 13:35.08 | internat | most isps have noe |
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| 13:35.19 | _mash | damn. |
| 13:35.46 | NOthsouth | how can open an gnome and kde at same time? |
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| 13:36.03 | bob2 | NOthsouth: you need to be more specific than that |
| 13:36.10 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 13:36.14 | greycat | NOthsouth: startx startkde -- :1 & startx gnome-session -- :2 |
| 13:36.24 | NOthsouth | greycat, yes that is it.. thx |
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| 13:37.56 | abrotman | NOthsouth: or use xnest ? |
| 13:38.05 | bobwJek | how can i see a history of the packages I have installed on my system? |
| 13:38.15 | abrotman | bobwJek: history? |
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| 13:38.26 | greycat | bobwJek: what exactly do you want to know? |
| 13:38.28 | bobwJek | abrotman, a list of packages? |
| 13:38.42 | abrotman | bobwJek: just the list of packages installed ? |
| 13:38.50 | bobwJek | greycat, i want to know what packages are installed |
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| 13:39.09 | bobwJek | pkgnames? |
| 13:39.18 | jm_ | read the FAQ |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | bobwJek: dpkg -l |
| 13:39.27 | abrotman | !tell bobwJek about refcard |
| 13:39.38 | bobwJek | greycat, abrotman , i think apt-cache showpkg works too |
| 13:39.45 | abrotman | then use it ? |
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| 13:40.06 | greycat | !FAQ bobwJek |
| 13:40.06 | mrjive | asg: tanks a lot |
| 13:40.08 | dpkg | bobwJek: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:40.18 | asg | mrjive: you're welcome |
| 13:40.48 | bobwJek | abrotman, greycat , dpkg , thanks very much |
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| 13:42.03 | shadfc | im having some problems getting mysql-server-4.1 to work on sarge. It fails starting and syslog shows "[ERROR] Can't start server: cannot resolve hostname!: No such file or directory" but the hostname is valid and has a entry in the /etc/hosts file |
| 13:42.20 | mrjive | shadfc: same for me |
| 13:42.24 | bobwJek | shadfc, you need a entry in ./etc/hosts |
| 13:42.45 | bobwJek | shadfc, the installer warned you about it didnt it? |
| 13:42.51 | mrjive | a part from the fact that i cannot find any error log :\ |
| 13:42.57 | shadfc | did yhou even read what i wrote bobwJek ? |
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| 13:43.04 | asg | shadfc: what does 'hostname --fqdn' return |
| 13:43.16 | bobwJek | shadfc, yes |
| 13:43.28 | vezult | asg: probably your fully qualified domain name |
| 13:43.29 | shadfc | asg hmm, not a fqdn, but just the short hostname |
| 13:43.35 | bobwJek | shadfc, needs to be fqdn |
| 13:43.36 | asg | shadfc: then fix it |
| 13:44.17 | othernoob | hi, i have a b/w laser printer, and it won't print a pdf with a few coloured lines. is there a way i can force it to print? |
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| 13:44.31 | shadfc | asg ok, i fixed it, but the problem persists |
| 13:44.41 | thiagocvel-pr | ptz |
| 13:44.50 | thiagocvel-pr | portuguese? |
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| 13:45.12 | thiagocvel-pr | algum brasileiro aki? |
| 13:45.41 | asg | !br |
| 13:45.41 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:46.28 | greycat | surely "aki" isn't the correct spelling. |
| 13:46.38 | greycat | I know it's "aquķ" in spanish. |
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| 13:46.45 | asg | greycat: japanese flavor of portuguese? |
| 13:47.00 | NOthsouth | auuhahua |
| 13:47.05 | asg | shadfc: is there any mention of the issue in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*? |
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| 13:47.28 | shadfc | dunno, ill check |
| 13:47.34 | ralf | i guess kismet is broken |
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| 13:48.56 | D13GU__ | hi all! |
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| 13:50.48 | shadfc | asg according to README.Debian.gz in that path, the mysql documentation has been put into mysql-doc package...which doesnt seem to exist in sarge (searched packages.debian.org) |
| 13:51.18 | jm_ | Shadur: it has been removed from Sarge, you can find it on BTS |
| 13:51.25 | jm_ | shadfc ^^^^^^^ |
| 13:51.27 | jm_ | Shadur: sorry |
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| 13:51.57 | shadfc | jm_: BTS? |
| 13:52.25 | greycat | !topicsmite shadfc |
| 13:52.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon shadfc. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 13:55.13 | smashH | lo guys .. I have a question concerning horde.. once I am logged out from the 'Administration' User .. I cant relogin due to the fact that I was never asked for a password nor do I know it |
| 13:55.23 | RichiH | hey greycat |
| 13:55.33 | CoBoLt | I am trying to run dfsbuild, but it always stops complaining about Unknown Suite etch... I added etch to /usr/share/cdebootstrap/suites and copied /usr/share/cdebootstrap/sid to /usr/share/cdebootstrap/etch still no go |
| 13:55.49 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> SARGE RELEASED. | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | X.org packages entering unstable today; beware breakage! | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 13:56.14 | asg | smashH: check /usr/share/doc/horde and see if there is anything in the README.Debian file about it. |
| 13:56.47 | RichiH | x.org enters sid? wee! |
| 13:56.59 | Phated | Wootles. |
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| 13:57.05 | smashH | asg I didnt use the debian package ;) |
| 13:57.11 | smashH | this is rather a general problem |
| 13:57.11 | asg | smashH: then ask #horde |
| 13:57.12 | greycat | that's what everone's saying, anyway. |
| 13:57.15 | smashH | I blamed google all day long |
| 13:57.23 | RichiH | neato |
| 13:57.30 | smashH | asg: nobody's answering in there :) |
| 13:57.31 | streuner | haha |
| 13:57.38 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 13:57.38 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 13:57.44 | smashH | I also blamed google .. but without success |
| 13:57.47 | Guerin | w-t-f |
| 13:57.52 | RichiH | this is the perfect opportunity to stop upgrading my sid for a month or two ;) |
| 13:57.58 | streuner | Guerin: hm? |
| 13:58.02 | Guerin | i downloaded the old TV series American Gothic off a random bittorrent site |
| 13:58.06 | smashH | this is a problem even google doesnt know anything about .. :) |
| 13:58.16 | streuner | RichiH: no need... |
| 13:58.17 | asg | smashH: well, if the creds are stored in mysql or something similar, just manually add a new password using md5() or whatever it uses. |
| 13:58.18 | smashH | thats why I hoped people in here could help me .. its documented nowhere tho |
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| 13:58.28 | Guerin | and it was recorded off tv in 1996 or so, off TV3 in New Zealand |
| 13:58.29 | greycat | smashH: then take it up with the mailing list or whatever the authors' main support system is |
| 13:58.32 | streuner | RichiH: those debs working perfect in unstable for me |
| 13:58.34 | smashH | asg: well thats the weird thing there is no user added yet |
| 13:58.41 | smashH | because 'Administration' seems to play a special role |
| 13:58.52 | nvz | smashH: if you get logged in without a password on anything, and you dont know the password.. chances are there isn't one, because you haven't created it yet |
| 13:58.54 | Guerin | ... which is where my sister and I used to watch it on thursday nights... |
| 13:58.56 | asg | smashH: then look at the source and see where it's coming from and where it wants to get it from. |
| 13:58.57 | Guerin | i tells ya |
| 13:59.02 | Guerin | that's some freaky shit |
| 13:59.05 | stew | and xorg isn't going to be force fed yet, right? i assume the xfree packages will remain available for a while |
| 13:59.11 | smashH | nvz: tried that already but after I logged out it wont accept '' as password |
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| 13:59.22 | greycat | stew: I guess we'll find out in a few hours |
| 13:59.28 | stew | yup |
| 13:59.29 | asg | stew: it's sid, anything can happen :) |
| 13:59.39 | Guerin | stew: no parallell - xorg will replace xfree, at least according to gravity |
| 13:59.47 | stew | and it sounds like xfree->xorg will cause less havoc than gcc 3->4 is causing |
| 14:00.14 | stew | not that it matters to me, you'd have a hard time convincing me to run sid in the first place :) |
| 14:00.30 | Blue9 | sid scares me. |
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| 14:00.32 | Kven | Anyone knows of a very lightweight graphical pop mail client? |
| 14:00.42 | Blue9 | Kven, mutt? |
| 14:00.42 | asg | Kven: telnet server 110 |
| 14:00.46 | smashH | mozilla thunderbird or mutt |
| 14:00.49 | streuner | Kven: sylpheed |
| 14:00.52 | greycat | rxvt -e mutt |
| 14:00.56 | Blue9 | vi |
| 14:01.00 | smashH | emacs |
| 14:01.04 | smashH | ;) |
| 14:01.04 | greycat | !for x |
| 14:01.04 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 14:01.07 | Blue9 | xterm |
| 14:01.08 | asg | !be ed |
| 14:01.08 | dpkg | ? |
| 14:01.53 | Ronin | humm going to have to work on that nick |
| 14:02.04 | xoz | about xorg: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
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| 14:02.18 | thiagocvel-pr | hello |
| 14:02.54 | Kven | Thankee streuner |
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| 14:03.32 | Blue9 | Is Etch useable (Just to have a poke around?) |
| 14:03.38 | greycat | Blue9: probably |
| 14:03.40 | Guerin | Blue9: very |
| 14:03.47 | Blue9 | Hmm.. |
| 14:03.51 | positrix | im using it :) |
| 14:04.16 | stew | Blue9: realize thought that moving from sarge to etch is a one way street |
| 14:04.24 | stew | ^thought^though |
| 14:04.31 | Blue9 | stew, that's okay |
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| 14:04.57 | nvz | Blue9: apt-get install apt-listbug and possibly apt-listchanges first |
| 14:05.05 | Blue9 | nvz, ta :) |
| 14:05.15 | Blue9 | I might wait till I can get a little crappy box to test it on :) |
| 14:05.24 | nvz | Blue9: doesnt hurt to be familiar with the bts, have a working mta and a bug report tool either |
| 14:05.27 | Guerin | Blue9: debootstrap |
| 14:05.27 | Blue9 | I should be able to liberate one from work over the next couple of weeks :) |
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| 14:05.39 | Guerin | Blue9: put it in a chroot and toy about |
| 14:05.59 | _mash | i dunno am i in sid or sarge. all packages say i'm in sid and i think i downloaded sarge iso |
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| 14:06.15 | Blue9 | _mash, did you change your source.list? |
| 14:06.50 | cmihai | While playing films with mplayer/vlc/whatever, every now and then the screen goes BLUE (in the film), and whatever I do (even init 1, and restart X), I can't see images in films any more. They play, with any player, but the image is blue. |
| 14:07.09 | Blue9 | cmihai, So you're getting sound but not video |
| 14:07.10 | stew | _mash: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 14:07.10 | Blue9 | ? |
| 14:07.15 | Guerin | _mash: dpkg -l libc6 |awk '{print $3}' |
| 14:07.15 | cmihai | Anyone seen that before? The linux version / whatever is irelevant. |
| 14:07.17 | cmihai | Yes Blue9. |
| 14:07.26 | Guerin | cmihai: sounds like a video driver thing |
| 14:07.29 | Blue9 | cmihai, and your graphics card is working fine? |
| 14:07.34 | Guerin | cmihai: nvidia driver? |
| 14:07.34 | cmihai | I've seen this in everything from slackware 9 to debian, and fuck, even freebsd. |
| 14:07.42 | cmihai | All is fine. NVIDIA driver. |
| 14:07.46 | stew | Guerin: stable testing and sid all have the same libc6 now, don't they? |
| 14:08.00 | Blue9 | cmihai, you're using the nvidia X driver and not nv? |
| 14:08.08 | asg | stew: testing and sid might, they have diverged from stable though |
| 14:08.11 | cmihai | Yep. I'll restart X with NV right now. |
| 14:08.12 | Guerin | stew: hrm, apparently so |
| 14:08.16 | cmihai | brb. |
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| 14:08.22 | stew | asg: pdo disagrees |
| 14:08.23 | Blue9 | Trurn GLCore back on ? |
| 14:08.25 | Blue9 | *turn |
| 14:08.42 | asg | stew: yeah, I could have sworn that sid was passed -22 |
| 14:09.08 | asg | !lart asg |
| 14:09.12 | nvz | that damn power jack I put in my case and wired to one of my mobo's fan connectors for my speakers doesnt work.. still got to plug my speakers into a berg connector.. and I just got loose wires shoved in there.. its bound to fry something one day |
| 14:09.22 | asg | nightx0rz |
| 14:09.28 | streuner | n8 |
| 14:09.35 | Blue9 | Night. |
| 14:10.09 | cmihai | Wel, that sucked. |
| 14:10.17 | Blue9 | cmihai,? |
| 14:10.32 | cmihai | I just restarted X (actually I did an init 1 even), and now I'm using nv. And all I see is a big blue image. |
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| 14:10.36 | l4vim | I have very low performance shown by hdparm -t /dev/hda, I cannot use -d 1 because " HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted " on Kernel 2.6.11.12 - do I need to use different driver ? |
| 14:10.53 | greycat | l4vim: custom kernel? |
| 14:11.02 | l4vim | greycat : yes |
| 14:11.03 | Blue9 | cmihai, did you turn GLcore and DRI back on in the X config? |
| 14:11.07 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 14:11.07 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 14:11.09 | cmihai | I've seen this on 3 different computers, with every linux and bsd you can think of. |
| 14:11.12 | cmihai | Blue9: yep. |
| 14:11.16 | l4vim | !custom kernel |
| 14:11.24 | Blue9 | cmihai, that's very strange |
| 14:11.30 | greycat | you configured it wrong. just like the other 99.5% of people who try to build custom kernels post-2.2. |
| 14:11.45 | tralala | !debian kernel image |
| 14:11.45 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 14:11.48 | greycat | it's fucking ludicrous how stupid the default settings in linux are. |
| 14:11.48 | Blue9 | cmihai, Maybe your graphics card is buggered. |
| 14:11.49 | cmihai | I'm using the old default config now. It's strange indeed. I've seen this a lot... Anyone else experiencing the same? |
| 14:11.51 | xoz | l4vim: you might have forgotten to compile the driver for your ide |
| 14:12.01 | Blue9 | cmihai, I've had no problem with the Nvidia drivers |
| 14:12.04 | cmihai | Blue9: the card is fine actually. It only happens in UNIX. |
| 14:12.08 | Blue9 | hmm... |
| 14:12.17 | Blue9 | cmihai, what did you use to install the drivers? |
| 14:12.22 | l4vim | xoz : I use PIIX becouse I didn't find eny best for me (no more Intel's) |
| 14:12.23 | Blue9 | Did you do it the debian way, or the nvidia way? |
| 14:12.30 | cmihai | Blue9: irelevant. The Debian way. |
| 14:12.36 | nvz | greycat: I don't like when I use menuconfig to configure, having to unselect 30 low-level scsi drivers and a bunch of other crap I will never need |
| 14:12.38 | Blue9 | I'm all outta idea then, sorry. |
| 14:12.41 | l4vim | xoz : IDE interface: Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller (rev 02) |
| 14:13.07 | cmihai | Irelevant since it happened to me on Slackware 9 some 3 years ago, irelevant since it happened to at least 30 distros I've installed, irelevant since it happens with nv and nvidia, even on freebsd, on 3 computers with different video cards. |
| 14:13.13 | xoz | l4vim: try to use debian kernel and check lsmod to know what modules it used for your ide. dma support needs additional driver. |
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| 14:13.28 | Blue9 | cmihai, Okay, well do you get any errors in your X logs? |
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| 14:13.36 | l4vim | I have low performance for /dev/sda too until I try run it on 2.6. |
| 14:13.37 | Blue9 | cmihai, you're not really giving me much to work with. |
| 14:13.46 | cmihai | I see no errors. |
| 14:13.54 | CoBoLt | I am trying to run dfsbuild, but it always stops complaining about Unknown Suite etch... I added etch to /usr/share/cdebootstrap/suites and copied /usr/share/cdebootstrap/sid to /usr/share/cdebootstrap/etch still no go |
| 14:13.57 | l4vim | xoz: as I sow there was PIIX, but mayby something more - I'll check |
| 14:14.07 | Blue9 | cmihai, then I am definitely stumped. |
| 14:14.10 | cmihai | It's just about the strangest thing I've seen. The only thing I can do now to get the image back is... reboot. |
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| 14:14.40 | cmihai | And what pisses me off is that if I fuck around with films again (eg: play a lot of files, scan forward, backward,....etc), it will happen again. |
| 14:15.11 | l4vim | xoz : I have something about half speed for my SCSI drive |
| 14:15.32 | cmihai | Just wondering, has anyone actually seen this "BSOD" in the movie players before? |
| 14:15.36 | greycat | cmihai: sounds like a driver or hardware issue to me. |
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| 14:16.33 | cmihai | Ah, -vo xv does blue, -vo sdl does a black screen. Nice. |
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| 14:16.42 | xoz | l4vim: trial and error or try to compile static most of the ide drivers. |
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| 14:17.13 | zerge | hi everybody |
| 14:17.18 | cmihai | greycat: on 3 computers? Duron 850 with tnt 2, athlon xp 2600+ with gf4, same with gf2, and a pentium 3 with gf2mx? |
| 14:17.33 | nvz | cmihai: yeah happens in mplayer everytime a movie is done.. its suppose to happen :P |
| 14:17.56 | Blue9 | :) |
| 14:18.14 | Blue9 | cmihai seems quite angry. |
| 14:18.26 | cmihai | Blue9: duh dude, can't watch my pr0n. |
| 14:18.31 | Blue9 | Haha. |
| 14:18.34 | greycat | cmihai: no, I've never seen this. |
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| 14:18.43 | Blue9 | cmihai, Sorry I can't help you then. |
| 14:18.57 | greycat | funny how they're all nvidia cards, though |
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| 14:19.21 | Blue9 | greycat, strange isn't it? I've never had a problem with Nvidia cards though, and I've been using them since the TNT2 |
| 14:19.29 | zerge | which package do you prefer in debian to build an iptables firewall? I just read about the shorewall, does it worth to try it out? |
| 14:19.38 | cmihai | Yeah. Since it's not something I can easily reproduce (for sure), It's hard to test it on my laptop... But I'll try that also. |
| 14:19.41 | Blue9 | zerge, fwbuilder |
| 14:19.45 | xoz | zerge: yep |
| 14:19.48 | nvz | greycat: couldn't possibly be a driver issue with all the same driver on 3 different machines ;P |
| 14:20.00 | zerge | thanks Blue9, xoz |
| 14:20.16 | Blue9 | zerge, firestarter is good if you want minimal effort too :) |
| 14:20.34 | cmihai | nvz: it's not the same drivers. This is over a span of like 4 years... different drivers, kernel, os's, heck, even on FreeBSD it's the same thing. With or withouth nvidia (nv) |
| 14:20.43 | xoz | zerge: or guarddog/guidedog |
| 14:21.06 | zerge | Blue9, xoz: do you have experience with shorewall though? |
| 14:21.09 | nvz | cmihai: sounds to me like pebcak |
| 14:21.17 | Blue9 | zerge, No I'm hardcore and do it by hand ;) |
| 14:21.23 | cmihai | nvz: I don't think so. |
| 14:21.36 | xoz | zerge: yep. easy to configure with advanced options. |
| 14:21.44 | cmihai | It does not happen on Solaris or Windows. |
| 14:21.52 | zerge | thanks a lot |
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| 14:21.59 | nvz | cmihai: no, you're right.. its software gypsies. following you around and messing with you everytime you try watch pr0n |
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| 14:22.19 | Blue9 | I blame Middle America. |
| 14:22.27 | cmihai | WELL FUCK dude, you tell me how the hell you're supposed to watch damn film. |
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| 14:22.37 | cmihai | mplayer film.avi, scroll back, wham, blue. |
| 14:22.37 | Blue9 | cmihai, Calm down, we are not mplayer. |
| 14:22.51 | Blue9 | cmihai, we're already said we don't know, and you are not being very helpful? |
| 14:22.57 | Blue9 | *we've |
| 14:22.58 | nvz | I am not going to tell you anything, because you will find a reason why any suggestion possible isnt possibly the problem |
| 14:23.30 | nvz | you obviously know more about it than anyone here.. keep your problems to yourself |
| 14:23.38 | Blue9 | ^^ I concur |
| 14:23.52 | CoBoLt | anyone -> I am trying to run dfsbuild, but it always stops complaining about Unknown Suite etch... I added etch to /usr/share/cdebootstrap/suites and copied /usr/share/cdebootstrap/sid to /usr/share/cdebootstrap/etch still no go |
| 14:23.57 | cmihai | nvz: well, since I already tried most tings possible. I just wanted to know if anyone had the same problem. I already know you don't, so if you're not helping me, leave me alone. |
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| 14:24.07 | nvz | my screen goes blue all the time on mplayer.. its suppose to do that when nothing is playing.. |
| 14:24.21 | greycat | cmihai: did you try asking #mplayer or #xfree86 |
| 14:24.22 | BinTanK | hello |
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| 14:24.36 | Blue9 | or maybe #2,000.. |
| 14:24.42 | nvz | cmihai: don't be a fucking moron.. this isnt the place to see if anyone else had the same problem.. thats called the bts. this is a place to explain issues in detail and get help on resolving them |
| 14:24.44 | Blue9 | j/k |
| 14:24.45 | BinTanK | any fromi ndonesia? |
| 14:25.10 | cmihai | greycat: Well, I am now. And since VLC also does that, (xine, etc). Anyway, there's no reason for nvz to insult me. |
| 14:25.40 | Blue9 | cmihai, if you weren't so aggresive with people who were trying to help, you might find them more amicable. |
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| 14:25.45 | BinTanK | san ask something ? |
| 14:26.00 | nvz | there's no reason for you to ask a very vague question and turn down any possible suggestions. |
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| 14:26.16 | BinTanK | how we can instal knoppix in hardisk?? |
| 14:26.21 | greycat | ask #knoppix |
| 14:26.30 | vezult | dpkg !knoppix |
| 14:26.31 | BinTanK | yhakx |
| 14:26.36 | BinTanK | tku |
| 14:26.36 | vezult | !knoppix |
| 14:26.36 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 14:26.43 | cbr | !ubuntu |
| 14:26.43 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 14:26.53 | BinTanK | !knoppix |
| 14:26.53 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
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| 14:27.01 | BinTanK | !mandrake |
| 14:27.02 | dpkg | i guess mandrake is the old name of mandriva |
| 14:27.10 | greycat | they renamed it? |
| 14:27.15 | kimchi_sg | yes |
| 14:27.19 | greycat | why? |
| 14:27.23 | Blue9 | They bought connectiva or something |
| 14:27.25 | BinTanK | yup |
| 14:27.39 | Blue9 | I dunno where they've got all this money from |
| 14:27.47 | vincent | i suggested mandyke |
| 14:27.49 | Blue9 | I remember getting emails a couple of years back that were begging me for money |
| 14:27.57 | kimchi_sg | they should have called it "manniva" |
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| 14:28.07 | mrjive | bye |
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| 14:29.01 | Blue9 | What a great email subject "Windows embedded lets you be genius" |
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| 14:31.13 | SDFH_Linux | i like the name mandracula |
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| 14:31.24 | SDFH_Linux | better than mandriva |
| 14:31.31 | Blue9 | Man-driver. |
| 14:31.31 | greycat | man drivel |
| 14:31.35 | greycat | s/ // |
| 14:31.51 | Blue9 | brb |
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| 14:34.22 | positrix | is emacs 22 in unstable? |
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| 14:34.39 | nvz | Mandriva sounds like a prison name or a large french gay porn star |
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| 14:35.10 | greycat | positrix: packages.d.o |
| 14:35.24 | greycat | mandriva sounds *stupid*. |
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| 14:35.37 | robewald | hello, how can i find out which packaged are uploaded but not yet build? |
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| 14:35.47 | greycat | robewald: *what*? |
| 14:35.57 | nvz | not if you are a gay porn star I suppose |
| 14:36.17 | positrix | i left mandrake for debian when they changed their name. i couldn't bear to tell ppl i used something that sounds so ... retarded |
| 14:37.02 | nvz | you use a screwdriver for screwing screws.. so what would you think a mandriva is heh |
| 14:37.21 | AngelChild | I've just installed debian sarge (from what I can tell), and I want to apt-get perl, but it tells me I can only install version 5.6.x, which conflicts with the auto-installed 5.8.x version of perl-base. Err, any idea how to fix that? |
| 14:37.22 | robewald | greycat: i depend on openscenegraph, and it seems that it has problems with libstdc++.so.6 so I wanted to find out if it is to be rebuilt soon |
| 14:37.23 | rbochan | and their mailing lists are mandrivel |
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| 14:37.53 | greycat | nvz: is it a long I or a short I? |
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| 14:38.22 | OneFix_Work | anyone know where I can download the 2 DVD set for Debian? |
| 14:38.49 | greycat | robewald: check the bug system, ask the mailing lists |
| 14:39.00 | nvz | greycat: probably a short I.. but still.. leaves room for misinterpretation |
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| 14:39.30 | rbochan | AngelChild: perl is v 5.8.4-8 in sarge |
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| 14:39.43 | nvz | at least the mailing list isnt Mandrisel.. |
| 14:39.57 | AngelChild | rbochan: so I saw on the debian site, but apt-get doesn't seem to accept that it exists |
| 14:40.02 | greycat | AngelChild: sounds like you tried to upgrade woody to sarge but didn't read the release notes |
| 14:40.09 | nvz | or would that be Mandrizzle |
| 14:40.21 | rbochan | nvz: mandrivel |
| 14:40.27 | AngelChild | greycat, I downloaded the stable i386 minimal netinst CD from the debian.org site this afternoon |
| 14:40.43 | nvz | fauk em. |
| 14:40.44 | greycat | AngelChild: this is a *new* install? then how the hell did you get perl 5.6 on it? |
| 14:41.06 | cmihai | By the way, I managed to identify part of the problem with my movie player issues. I disabled double buffering in mplayer, and now it works, but _only_ in mplayer. VLC or Xine don't work (same thing as before). I guess it's related to "double buffering". |
| 14:41.07 | AngelChild | it's not got perl 5.6, just apt-get wants to install 5.6 instead of 5.8 when i ask it to |
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| 14:41.34 | greycat | AngelChild: show us your "deb " line in sources.list. (The main one, not security.) |
| 14:42.46 | AngelChild | deb ftp://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 14:43.33 | AngelChild | greycat: I suppose it may be that mirror.ac.uk isn't up to date? |
| 14:44.02 | nvz | you would have to be trying real hard to be that out of date |
| 14:44.09 | rbochan | indeed |
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| 14:44.45 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.45 | greycat | OAD] -> woody |
| 14:44.47 | greycat | holy shit. |
| 14:44.52 | greycat | they ARE that out of date. |
| 14:44.54 | nvz | rbochan: or at least not updated your links :P |
| 14:44.56 | rbochan | eej |
| 14:44.57 | osity | anyone know how to setup a software raid1 on linux |
| 14:44.57 | positrix | maybe the mirror missed woody-->sarge ? |
| 14:44.58 | xoz | cmihai: disable dbe and restart X |
| 14:45.10 | greycat | AngelChild: use a different mirror. |
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| 14:45.23 | FarrisG | I'm trying to do a quick half-assed mail merge using mail/mailx and a bash script. Is there any way to encode \n's and \t's into a variable such that they'll actually show up as newlines and tabs when echoed to the mail command? |
| 14:45.29 | nvz | their admin needs smacked |
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| 14:45.44 | greycat | FarrisG: bash can do $'....\n...\t...' |
| 14:45.56 | nvz | and not in a good way either.. |
| 14:45.59 | tarzeau | anyone from near switerland will join www.buenz.li ? |
| 14:46.03 | greycat | FarrisG: bash's echo can also do: echo -e 'blah blah\nblahblah' |
| 14:46.06 | positrix | i should learn to type looking at the screen instead of the keyboard, then i wouldn't sound so redundant... |
| 14:46.08 | rbochan | AngelChild: was that one of the mirros listed when you originally set up apt? |
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| 14:46.50 | FarrisG | greycat: Ah ha |
| 14:46.52 | FarrisG | thanks |
| 14:46.54 | Blue9 | mirror.ac.uk is crap |
| 14:47.04 | AngelChild | rbochan: yes |
| 14:47.04 | rbochan | so it would seem |
| 14:47.14 | rbochan | they should be removed from the listings |
| 14:47.22 | osity | can some one walk me through a raid 1 setup |
| 14:47.30 | rbochan | AngelChild: you should file a bug report about and change your sources |
| 14:47.49 | AngelChild | greycat, rbochan: thanks |
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| 14:48.18 | rbochan | AngelChild: if you run apt-setrup, you should be able to change it easily |
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| 14:48.25 | rbochan | er.. apt-setup |
| 14:48.33 | xoz | or remind them first to know their reasons |
| 14:48.33 | Vibhuti | how do i chane the system time |
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| 14:48.47 | bobwJek | how can i send a message to a user on tty1, im logged in via ssh |
| 14:49.32 | rbochan | bobwJek: if a talk daemon is installed and running, use that |
| 14:49.43 | bobwJek | would echo hello world | wall worl? |
| 14:49.44 | bobwJek | work? |
| 14:49.55 | rbochan | I can't say |
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| 14:51.10 | greycat | wall is Write ALL |
| 14:51.12 | positrix | if you're root you could echo hi > /dev/tty1 |
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| 14:51.15 | greycat | you want write(1) |
| 14:51.27 | franz | Hi all I can't log in using xdm and gdm. X just restart.. Where should I look for a log telling me what's wrong? |
| 14:51.30 | migiel | i've created a net-install cd, but at the step: 'install kernel and driver modules' it says: 'This is not the Rescue Floppy. Please place the Rescue Floppy and try again.' what's going wrong here ? |
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| 14:51.41 | greycat | franz: for xdm, ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 14:51.58 | _rutski89 | how do I find out what provides sqlite.h? |
| 14:52.07 | greycat | _rutski89: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:52.09 | nvz | _rutski89: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:52.12 | greycat | migiel: sounds like you made the CD wrong. |
| 14:52.16 | bibe | franz: have you tried startx from the commend line? |
| 14:52.44 | _rutski89 | nvz: no response |
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| 14:52.48 | bibe | franz : if it doesn't work, try /var/log/XFree86.0.log too |
| 14:52.50 | xoz | amd64-libs is needed for gcc-4.0... would really everybody need it? |
| 14:52.58 | phillatwood | configuring usb stick question... |
| 14:53.09 | _rutski89 | nm, i think i got it |
| 14:53.19 | Sage2 | hmmm... |
| 14:53.20 | nvz | _rutski89: must have been sleeping |
| 14:53.25 | migiel | greycat: probably, but the network interface card is working, so i downloaded rescue.bin (that i created) and drivers.tgz via http... same error... |
| 14:53.28 | MrKeuner | hi, all the entries in the debian menu have their duplicates. Is there a way to fix that? gnome2.10... |
| 14:53.34 | _rutski89 | nvz: wiat, yea, hes still not responding |
| 14:53.39 | franz | thanks greycat let me check.. |
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| 14:53.50 | nvz | !info gnome-session |
| 14:53.53 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 1398 kB |
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| 14:54.20 | nvz | dpkg, tell _rutski89 about search |
| 14:54.21 | Sage2 | i've never used GNU/Linux before, would Debian distro be a good starting point anyone? feel free to private msg me :) |
| 14:54.32 | nvz | dpkg, don't be a dick |
| 14:54.38 | _rutski89 | nvz: heh, see, hes not doing anything X.x |
| 14:54.38 | greycat | Sage2: if you're willing to read and learn, yes. |
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| 14:54.57 | nvz | _rutski89: it's responding to me.. must just be you |
| 14:55.14 | Sage2 | someone also said, try gentoo or knoppix? |
| 14:55.18 | nvz | _rutski89: use packages.debian.org or apt-file then I guess |
| 14:55.20 | franz | bibe: it seems that there is a permission problem on /dev/null |
| 14:55.22 | greycat | do NOT try gentoo as your first distro. |
| 14:55.27 | Spec | Sage2: no, don't try gentoo |
| 14:55.28 | rbochan | heh |
| 14:55.31 | bibe | franz: sure? |
| 14:55.32 | Sage2 | heh, ok :) |
| 14:55.34 | Spec | Sage2: maybe Ubuntu |
| 14:55.35 | Sage2 | thanks :D |
| 14:55.47 | Sage2 | ill try Debian then ^^ :) |
| 14:55.55 | franz | bibe that's what startx says.. |
| 14:56.01 | nvz | no, try gentoo, get that out of your system.. you will be begging us for D-I |
| 14:56.01 | Derkommissar | Spec, whats the difference betwin debian ad ubuntu |
| 14:56.01 | Sage2 | i've been using the terminal thing for awhile... |
| 14:56.03 | Derkommissar | ? |
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| 14:56.15 | Spec | Derkommissar: debian is debian and ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 14:56.16 | rbochan | Sage2: read this ;) http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=98807&cid=8430076 |
| 14:56.23 | Sage2 | nvz: what is D-I ? |
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| 14:56.31 | nvz | Sage2: Debian-Installer |
| 14:56.37 | bobwJek | how can i change the HWaddr for my ethernet card? |
| 14:56.45 | nvz | Sage2: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:56.49 | Sage2 | k rbochan :) |
| 14:56.51 | caphuso | bobwJek: ifconfig |
| 14:56.52 | phillatwood | usb stick: lsusb gives me something, but how do I mount it and use it? |
| 14:56.58 | vanten | hi all. how do i put a certain package on hold? |
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| 14:57.01 | Sage2 | nvz i cant install yet >_< |
| 14:57.01 | stew | phillatwood: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 14:57.10 | ledet | Derkommissar: ubuntu er built on debian. although this doesnt mean that it can do anything that debian cant |
| 14:57.14 | Sage2 | im still trying to talk my dad into letting me do it -_- |
| 14:57.29 | phillatwood | will that install the usb-storage module? |
| 14:57.30 | greycat | Sage2: get a second computer |
| 14:57.31 | franz | bibe what are the permissions supposed to be? |
| 14:57.36 | Derkommissar | Cool |
| 14:57.37 | bobwJek | caphuso, thanks ill try that |
| 14:57.53 | Sage2 | greycat: we have 3 :) |
| 14:57.58 | stew | phillatwood: no type that into your irc client |
| 14:58.01 | rbochan | !tell vanten about hold |
| 14:58.03 | ledet | Derkommissar: i would recommend using debian over ubuntu... but thats my personal oppinion... |
| 14:58.13 | greycat | .oO( three? that's it? ) |
| 14:58.19 | nvz | heh |
| 14:58.26 | Derkommissar | ledet, im using unbuntu now |
| 14:58.28 | Sage2 | it's just the whole convincing him that windows is so damn exploitable :\ |
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| 14:58.35 | ledet | Derkommissar: why? |
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| 14:58.44 | Derkommissar | ledet, last vertion of debian i used was long ago.... woddy... i think that was it |
| 14:58.48 | franz | could somebody do ls -l /dev/null and paste me the output plz? |
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| 14:58.55 | nvz | Sage2: type deltree c: and then say see, if you were using linux you couldnt have done that |
| 14:58.57 | Sage2 | and that linux is a nice safe, secure enviroment |
| 14:59.01 | vanten | thx rbochan ;) |
| 14:59.03 | Derkommissar | ledet, because i been use suse way tooooo long |
| 14:59.05 | greycat | franz: man MAKEDEV |
| 14:59.07 | ledet | Derkommissar: if it was woody, then "long time ago" is fairly relative :) |
| 14:59.08 | bobwJek | when i type startx, i get the error message "Can't open device /dev/input/mice - No such device |
| 14:59.09 | Sage2 | LOL nvz :P |
| 14:59.15 | greycat | bobwJek: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 14:59.16 | doub | hi there |
| 14:59.22 | rbochan | bobwJek: insmod mousedev |
| 14:59.24 | greycat | bobwJek: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 15:00.04 | franz | greycat /dev/null already exists, but a simple user doesn't have access.. Do I change it using MAKEDEV too? |
| 15:00.04 | Derkommissar | ledet, i used it cause it was te only distro back then that had ipchains (Nicely working) |
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| 15:00.23 | xoz | bobwJek: modprobe psmouse |
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| 15:00.29 | greycat | franz: it should be chmod 666 |
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| 15:00.54 | doub | i'm obviously not the first to meet this problem, but trying to install the kde package is impossible as of today's sid, because one of its dependencies lack libjack0.80.0-0 |
| 15:00.55 | Sage2 | rbochan funny site :) |
| 15:01.05 | nvz | Sage2: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian , http://www.debian.org/social_contract ... |
| 15:01.10 | doub | is there an available workaround? |
| 15:01.11 | rbochan | doub welcome to Unstable |
| 15:01.12 | bobwJek | rbochan, thats that works!! wow |
| 15:01.23 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 15:01.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:01.27 | doub | rbochan: thanks |
| 15:01.40 | bobwJek | xoz, nice....but startx worked when i did insmod mousedev |
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| 15:02.08 | rbochan | bobwJek: yes, for some reason, mousedev seems to get unloaded somehow, I've had it happen a couple of times |
| 15:02.26 | rbochan | I think it was after I removed hotplug or discover |
| 15:02.37 | xoz | bobwJek: place those modules in /etc/modules |
| 15:02.52 | franz | greycat great it works now. What caused that is still a mystery for me.. |
| 15:02.55 | nvz | Sage2: some other interesting things to read is the standards that debian is compliant with LSB (Linux Standard Base) http://www.linuxbase.org/spec/ , FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 15:03.02 | franz | greycat thanks |
| 15:03.06 | xoz | franz: are you using udev? |
| 15:03.13 | jons | hmm when a user logs in via ssh what's the process that's involved in setting the environment variables up for the user and such? |
| 15:03.19 | Sage2 | k :) |
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| 15:03.59 | jons | as when i use PLINK -pw password user@hostname "echo $PATH" it just comes back as /usr/local/bin but if i actually login without the "echo $PATH" and then type it i get a huge list for the $PATH evironment variable |
| 15:04.02 | nvz | Sage2: thats what I love the most about OS's like linux is the filesystem structure and the fact that it actually has a standard format that has some logic behind it.. rather than the insanely ridiculous format of windows filesystems |
| 15:04.05 | franz | xoz I don't think so.. May it has been installed by a another package that depended on it.. |
| 15:04.07 | greycat | !plink |
| 15:04.14 | Sage2 | is the book "Running Linux" good? does anyone think another book would be as good or better? |
| 15:04.16 | ralf | new packages will be built with gcc4, but what about existing packages? rebuild all? |
| 15:04.22 | da4n1 | i get "/sbin/init: 432: cannor open dev/console: No such file" using kernel 2.6.8-2-386 but not in 2.4.27-2-386 ? |
| 15:04.23 | greycat | jons: what the hell *is* PLINK anyway? |
| 15:04.34 | jons | PLINK is some putty commadn line utility |
| 15:04.41 | greycat | ralf: for C (as opposed to C++) it doesn't matter. |
| 15:04.48 | jons | basically it's like a backend to the putty frontend |
| 15:05.00 | nvz | Sage2: if windows and all its apps complied with a filesystem standard, you wouldnt have half the problems windows has.. and you wouldnt need that damn central registry to keep track of everything |
| 15:05.03 | greycat | jons: oh, so it's like ssh. |
| 15:05.13 | jons | well it uses ssh to do what it needs to |
| 15:05.15 | ralf | greycat: ABI aren't changed for C? |
| 15:05.16 | rbochan | registry==evil |
| 15:05.20 | jons | from what i can gather |
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| 15:05.26 | Sage2 | lol true :) |
| 15:05.32 | jons | i don't know much about it myself, a product uses it, so i'm using it to test something |
| 15:05.39 | greycat | jons: when you make an ssh connection and don't supply a command, you get a LOGIN shell. That reads /etc/profile and so on. When you *do* supply a command, you get a NON-LOGIN shell, which only reads ~/.bashrc. |
| 15:05.45 | greycat | !wikifaq jons DotFiles |
| 15:05.45 | dpkg | jons: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:05.59 | Sage2 | ok... |
| 15:06.01 | greycat | ralf: the C ABI hasn't changed in, like, decades.... :) |
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| 15:06.05 | Sage2 | got a question... |
| 15:06.16 | jons | hmm but if i want a LOGIN shell and execute a command what could i do? |
| 15:06.26 | greycat | ralf: you can freely mix objects compiled with gcc 3.0 with those built with gcc 4.0 (at least outside kernel space) |
| 15:06.32 | Ungy | hmm I got a new error I have yet to see before "Failed to fetch ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.gz MD5Sum mismatch" |
| 15:06.35 | jons | i mean without having to actually login |
| 15:06.36 | Sage2 | my dad said he didnt think you can setup a windows and linux networked and going through same modem... |
| 15:06.39 | greycat | jons: you don't do that. |
| 15:06.39 | Sage2 | can you ? |
| 15:06.41 | Sage2 | :\ |
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| 15:06.49 | greycat | jons: why are you asking about it? Are you an oracle DBA or something? :) |
| 15:06.52 | nvz | Sage2: of course |
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| 15:06.54 | phillatwood | how do you load a module usb-support |
| 15:06.58 | rbochan | Sage2: unless it's a winmodem, yes |
| 15:07.03 | jons | no i am trying to run a script, which needs to run as a specific user |
| 15:07.04 | ralf | greycat: lib*c2 packages are the one with the new abi? |
| 15:07.12 | Sage2 | erm... |
| 15:07.26 | greycat | (oracle DBAs being one of my *favorite* targets of ridicule with respect to "I'll put all these environment variables into ~oracle/.profile and then I'll use su - oracle for everything!!") |
| 15:07.29 | jons | this monitoring software uses plink to run the script, however, it uses plink, and obviously no environment variables are getting set |
| 15:07.35 | nvz | Sage2: linux plays nicer with other OS |
| 15:07.42 | nvz | Sage2: linux plays nicer with other OS's than windows does |
| 15:07.45 | Sage2 | k |
| 15:07.47 | greycat | ralf: read the d-d-a announcement |
| 15:07.50 | jons | so the script is now complaining and not working how it should |
| 15:07.55 | xoz | jons: does your .bashrc exports the $PATH? |
| 15:07.59 | ralf | dda ? |
| 15:07.59 | nvz | Sage2: windows isnt even compatible on networks with other versions of windows. |
| 15:08.21 | greycat | jons: why does it need these environment variables and why don't you just put them IN the script, or DOT IN the file that has them, FROM the script? |
| 15:08.33 | Ungy | nvz only 9x/ME have that problem |
| 15:08.58 | Sage2 | i have arris modem :\ |
| 15:09.02 | Sage2 | not sure if it is ^^ |
| 15:09.12 | Ungy | nvz but as long as you buy the latest os always you shoudl be fine ;-) a little light int he pocket though |
| 15:09.24 | jons | hmm ill try and see what happens |
| 15:09.26 | nvz | Ungy: depends on what we are talking about.. a lot of services are incompatible.. as they lost certain rights to certain protocols.. in early Win95/9x maybe even before then they used novell protocols |
| 15:09.47 | rbochan | Ungy: what is this "buy the latest os" that you speak of? |
| 15:10.04 | Sage2 | staying updated with the latest windows |
| 15:10.07 | trond | any1 here using a 3com gbitcard named 3C2000-T?? if you do please pm me ;) |
| 15:10.18 | rbochan | does not compute... does not compute |
| 15:10.24 | nvz | yeah like WinXP SP2 is really a good fucking idea :P |
| 15:10.28 | greycat | no, any1's not here, and I don't think he uses a 3com gbit card |
| 15:10.32 | Sage2 | nvz lol |
| 15:10.35 | nvz | breaks more than it fixes IMHO |
| 15:10.48 | jons | hmm nope, cmureport: error while loading shared libraries: libcmusips.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:10.56 | nvz | I've got to go to werk |
| 15:11.13 | p30n | i got a problem with a "directory" it starts with (foobar)-foo, and now i cant remove it, bash gives me bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 15:11.15 | p30n | please help |
| 15:11.18 | nvz | later |
| 15:11.26 | Ungy | nvz actually it fixes more th4en it breaks I have to say althoguh noone uses the shit that it fixes and peopel actually use what it breaks so I agree it was counter productive but they did fix a lot of shit |
| 15:11.30 | greycat | p30n: quote it. |
| 15:11.47 | nvz | Ungy: ok, I'll let that one slide.. its more correct |
| 15:11.56 | rbochan | p30n: rm -rf "directory" (with quotes) |
| 15:12.07 | greycat | or mv "directory" "newname" |
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| 15:12.17 | Sage2 | nvz: i have Arris touchstone cable modem ... will this work with both windows and linux? |
| 15:12.19 | xoz | p30n: if still not possible, use mc :) |
| 15:12.21 | Phated | Or rm -r \(<tab> |
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| 15:12.39 | p30n | thanks greycat rbochan |
| 15:12.44 | p30n | xoz: what do u mean, mc ? |
| 15:12.45 | rbochan | good lcuk |
| 15:12.54 | Blue9 | p30n, Midnight Commander. |
| 15:13.01 | Blue9 | the command to start it is "mc" |
| 15:13.08 | at0m|c | hoi, whatever i try with hdparm, it keeps returning BuffSize=0kB, while the hd has 16mb cache... any suggestions? |
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| 15:13.38 | p30n | Blue9: woot ? |
| 15:13.50 | xoz | !info mc |
| 15:13.51 | Sage2 | ok well i have to get off :\ |
| 15:13.54 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2088 kB, Installed size: 5256 kB |
| 15:13.56 | Sage2 | need go to work :\ |
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| 15:14.16 | doub | Sage2: don't do that, you're silly? |
| 15:14.19 | doub | too late |
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| 15:14.53 | jons | hmm if i wanted things to get initiated, in the same way as it would if i had a normal LOGIN for a nonlogin what scripts could i run? |
| 15:14.56 | Ungy | hmm could someone clarify this error"Failed to fetch ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.gz MD5Sum mismatch" does this mean my sources are bad or mirrordirect.ca's sources are bad? |
| 15:15.38 | jons | if exported PATH, in the script, whcih gets executed, which got rid of one error, but generated another |
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| 15:15.53 | jons | so ther'es something that gets initiated during a LOGIN which i need to do in the script, but i'm not sure what |
| 15:15.55 | asg | jons: man bash (or whatever shell you use) and search for INVOCATION |
| 15:16.02 | Spec | Ungy: have you run apt-get update? |
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| 15:16.30 | DonDrog | vreun roman pe aci .. care ar putea sa ma ajute ? |
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| 15:16.39 | jons | ok asg , thanks |
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| 15:17.07 | Ungy | Spec yes that is what is giving me the error |
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| 15:17.24 | icecrash | hello |
| 15:17.26 | Spec | Ungy: I'd suggest changing the sources :p |
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| 15:17.33 | Ungy | ok no problem thanks |
| 15:17.46 | rbochan | Ungy: you might try it again in a few mionutes... perhaps they're in the process of updating their mirror? |
| 15:17.47 | icecrash | anyone who can help me with a question to cdbs? |
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| 15:18.03 | Spec | !anyone |
| 15:18.03 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:18.21 | icecrash | need to configure an include path in the rules |
| 15:18.41 | cbr | is there any command to show all the commands of dpkg? :p |
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| 15:19.12 | greycat | cbr: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 15:19.15 | greycat | cbr: /msg dpkg help |
| 15:19.22 | sciboy | Um, when i reconfigure my kernel source, how do i get it to compile the new modules without having to recompile EVERYTHING? |
| 15:19.33 | greycat | you don't. |
| 15:19.34 | greycat | NEXT! |
| 15:19.39 | tarzeau | NeXT |
| 15:19.46 | sciboy | ? |
| 15:19.49 | greycat | ! |
| 15:19.52 | rbochan | . |
| 15:19.56 | tarzeau | , |
| 15:20.02 | Blue9 | oldconfig? |
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| 15:20.22 | greycat | Blue9: he wants to avoid recompiling something for god-fucking-knows what reason. probably stupidity. |
| 15:20.27 | Blue9 | Oh |
| 15:20.28 | Blue9 | :) |
| 15:20.39 | tarzeau | you want a debian kernel? |
| 15:20.40 | greycat | he'll waste more time trying to subvert the system than he would actually save |
| 15:20.41 | cbr | sciboy, if your just adding, then just run make and make modules_install on the kernel.. if you didn't change the old things then it wont compile them again |
| 15:20.55 | sciboy | cbr: Thank you =) |
| 15:20.57 | tarzeau | http://telesto.lug-ag.ch/~gurkan/debian/kernel-image-2.4.31_LOL.8_i386.deb |
| 15:20.58 | greycat | cbr: VERY strongly NOT recommended. He should be using make-kpkg. |
| 15:21.10 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: LOL?! |
| 15:21.20 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: yes i call my kernels LOL |
| 15:21.29 | cbr | greycat, it can't hurt though |
| 15:21.38 | sciboy | I am using make-kpkg, but it ignores the changes i made in the config and i don't want to make-kpkg clean. |
| 15:21.38 | cbr | and it's the Kernel Way (tm) to do it |
| 15:21.47 | greycat | cbr: but then he can't use module-assistant |
| 15:21.55 | sanxiyn | Where is HEL? |
| 15:22.00 | asg | sanxiyn: .fi |
| 15:22.08 | greycat | sanxiyn: south of HEVEN |
| 15:22.28 | crashbg | does anyone know how to unzip zip file made in windows with powerarchiver with cyrillic file and folder names in it? Because if i extract it the names are all in strange symbols... |
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| 15:22.35 | asg | and 'far beyond driven' |
| 15:23.06 | grin | hello. anyone have an idea where to find libpq.so.2? (postgres upgrade dead unless I find one) |
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| 15:23.11 | cbr | crashbg, that's nothing to do with unzipping |
| 15:23.19 | cbr | your locales are just wrong |
| 15:23.36 | greycat | grin: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:23.53 | dsw | where can I find a good firewall script for my home DHCP server? |
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| 15:24.18 | jim | apt-get install ipmasq |
| 15:24.23 | crashbg | dsw, shorewall maybe |
| 15:24.28 | rob_lt | grin, there is no libpq.so in the standard repos for stable (main contrib or non-free) |
| 15:24.41 | rbochan | dserban: http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/ |
| 15:24.44 | rbochan | oops |
| 15:24.48 | rbochan | dsw: http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/ |
| 15:24.52 | sanxiyn | rob_lt: No, there is. |
| 15:24.53 | grin | rob_lt: i know |
| 15:25.02 | dsw | thx, all |
| 15:25.10 | rob_lt | sanxiyn, well, and apt-file doesn't find it |
| 15:25.15 | rob_lt | a/and/an |
| 15:25.19 | sanxiyn | rob_lt: libpq3 |
| 15:25.21 | Blue9 | dsw, apt-get install firestarted |
| 15:25.27 | Blue9 | *firestarter |
| 15:25.34 | rbochan | guarddog is nifty too |
| 15:25.35 | sanxiyn | (Note, not libpq2.) |
| 15:25.38 | grin | sanxiyn: but no libpq2 afais |
| 15:25.48 | rob_lt | or libpq. |
| 15:25.49 | sanxiyn | grin: True. |
| 15:26.08 | Blue9 | ln -s libpq3 libpq2 ? |
| 15:26.42 | jim | Blue9: you'd be fuckng around with packaging them |
| 15:26.44 | rbochan | frozen-bubble music.... hypno... murder.... death... kill.... |
| 15:26.48 | smashH | (quit |
| 15:27.06 | sanxiyn | You are at the end of the heaven. Around you is HEL. A small stream flows out of the HUT and down a gully. Etc. |
| 15:27.06 | grin | well there should have been a libpq2 since woody's postgres uses it somehow |
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| 15:27.17 | dsw | jim: ipmasq is perfect, Thanks! |
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| 15:27.49 | grin | btw woody to sarge postgres upgrade should fail because of that, I wonder how nobody yelled |
| 15:27.56 | p30n | question: "net-dev watchdog: eth0: transmit timed out eth0: fullduplex, lpa eth0: link up 100mbit, full duplex, lpa0x" why do i get this with different network cards ? it has ip and everything but i cant ping it |
| 15:27.56 | jim | dsw: it's very customizable |
| 15:28.03 | p30n | sry for bold |
| 15:28.04 | p30n | =/ |
| 15:28.15 | grin | (and because of libssl0.9.whatever, but that is in main) |
| 15:28.32 | dsw | jim: I see that. I've been using iptables commands because the rest was so confusing, but this is what I was trying to do |
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| 15:28.56 | grin | p30n: try to force it to half duplex, just an idea |
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| 15:29.05 | p30n | grin: how can i do that manually ? |
| 15:29.19 | VincentMX | wich is better? |
| 15:29.19 | VincentMX | GRUB or LiLo. i think lilo but i'm not sure |
| 15:29.29 | grin | p30n: when you install its module, should have some parameters. modinfo modulename |
| 15:29.33 | Spec | what does grub stand for? |
| 15:29.39 | jim | one thing, if you intend to forward ports into your net, you have to alter one of the scripts (copy the .def to a .rul and alter the copy) |
| 15:29.39 | grin | VincentMX: grub I'd say |
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| 15:29.40 | Spec | grand universal bootloader? |
| 15:29.46 | grin | spec, unified |
| 15:29.48 | VincentMX | yes |
| 15:29.49 | p30n | grin: i dont know how to install modules =/ |
| 15:29.49 | Spec | unified |
| 15:29.55 | Spec | yeah, so grub is better, it's in the name :p |
| 15:30.03 | sobersabre | openssl q. i have a personal certificate. is there a way to generate keypair out of it ? |
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| 15:30.06 | grin | p30n: unfortunately I can't help you in that |
| 15:30.12 | dondelelcaro | if grub works, use grub. If lilo works, use lilo. |
| 15:30.14 | cbr | grub looks nice |
| 15:30.18 | sanxiyn | VincentMX: G is for Grand! |
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| 15:30.33 | grin | sanxiyn: r is for rand? :) |
| 15:30.36 | dondelelcaro | I mean, you really should only be seeing the bootloader once in a blue moon anyway |
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| 15:30.46 | jim | b is for band and a is for and! |
| 15:30.47 | Spec | true true |
| 15:30.48 | sanxiyn | (I think that sentence appears in the beginning chapter of LotR, correct?) |
| 15:30.49 | grin | damned libpq |
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| 15:31.25 | sanxiyn | Where hobbit children thinks G (which is actually for Gandalf) is for Grand. |
| 15:31.43 | sanxiyn | Okay, nobody got it. Sorry. |
| 15:31.48 | greycat | silly user. G is for Greycat. |
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| 15:33.19 | dsw | p30n - aptitude install module-assistant |
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| 15:34.41 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command to get kde desktop installed |
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| 15:34.53 | asg | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 15:34.57 | grin | oh well, thanks anyway |
| 15:34.57 | sobersabre | apt-get install kde-desktop |
| 15:34.59 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 15:35.06 | sanxiyn | sobersabre: No. |
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| 15:35.14 | sobersabre | apt-get install kde |
| 15:35.17 | sobersabre | ? |
| 15:35.21 | sanxiyn | sobersabre: No. |
| 15:35.30 | sobersabre | apt-cache search kde | grep desktop |
| 15:35.38 | sanxiyn | !tell sobersabre about install kde |
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| 15:41.44 | dsw | U |
| 15:42.02 | thatguy100 | i just did an apt-get dist upgrade and now lilo hangs at LI, what happened? |
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| 15:42.20 | thatguy100 | im running stable |
| 15:42.40 | masoft | thatguy100, start your system with a Live Linux and install Lilo again :D |
| 15:42.52 | dsw | thatguy100: your boot sector is broken |
| 15:43.26 | Vivaldi | Problem: snd-usb-audio register an device which gives PCM 48khz AC97 16bit AUDIO. when i record from there, i only obtain silence (all the data is 0x80). any idea? (Volume is max and the channel is set in capture mode). |
| 15:43.31 | thatguy100 | ok, did the upgrade do that? |
| 15:43.49 | rbochan | why would one dist-upgrade on stable? |
| 15:43.51 | masoft | thatguy100, may be ! with the reconfigure the Lilo |
| 15:43.59 | sanxiyn | rbochan: Perhaps Woody -> Sarge. |
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| 15:44.09 | rbochan | sanxiyn: perhaps |
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| 15:44.27 | Atula | testicles.... that is all. |
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| 15:44.39 | thatguy100 | ok thanks for the help, ill reinstall lilo |
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| 15:45.15 | yancy | anyone here has setup nxserver properly on debian sid? I allways got 'time out' issue when I use a windows freenx client connect to my debian. |
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| 15:45.55 | l4vim | is there anyone use 6300ESB chip on server motherboard (supermicro could be ;) ? |
| 15:46.50 | CoBoLt | l4vim yeah |
| 15:46.56 | CoBoLt | trouble |
| 15:47.03 | CoBoLt | We added 3ware raid cards to it |
| 15:47.03 | CoBoLt | :p |
| 15:47.07 | l4vim | CoBoLt : you have it ? |
| 15:47.09 | CoBoLt | troubles solved |
| 15:47.23 | CoBoLt | we have 4 Supermicro server woth 6300ESB chip |
| 15:47.31 | CoBoLt | the driver as proprietary |
| 15:47.39 | l4vim | ;) |
| 15:47.52 | l4vim | this is a solution ? 3ware cards ;( |
| 15:47.57 | CoBoLt | the y also deliver the mainboard with soms adaptec card (also proprietary) |
| 15:48.07 | CoBoLt | this was the best solution we had |
| 15:48.15 | CoBoLt | or forget all about kernel updates etc... |
| 15:48.17 | Atula | !testicles |
| 15:48.17 | dpkg | DUDE YOU'RE NUTZ! |
| 15:48.21 | l4vim | i'm f**** up... |
| 15:48.30 | l4vim | but... |
| 15:48.35 | CoBoLt | machines that have to run 24/7 |
| 15:48.42 | Atula | !samba |
| 15:48.42 | dpkg | somebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 15:48.49 | CoBoLt | didn't trust those raid configs |
| 15:48.58 | l4vim | the way I can use is to try 2.4. kernel but.. I must run SMP and HT on it |
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| 15:49.08 | CoBoLt | had trouble with building kernel fot that driver etc.. |
| 15:49.12 | l4vim | I have no raid on SATA on it |
| 15:49.16 | CoBoLt | but trully forget about kernel updates |
| 15:49.19 | l4vim | I need only to use DMA |
| 15:49.20 | CoBoLt | uhu |
| 15:49.20 | l4vim | and... |
| 15:49.22 | CoBoLt | hmmm |
| 15:49.25 | CoBoLt | you might try |
| 15:49.30 | CoBoLt | we did run RHEL on it |
| 15:49.34 | CoBoLt | :p |
| 15:49.38 | l4vim | my SCSI on LSI controller on 2.6 have 30MB/s ! |
| 15:49.46 | l4vim | on 2.4. (standard) have 130 |
| 15:49.55 | CoBoLt | hmmm |
| 15:50.02 | bibe | franz /bye |
| 15:50.10 | CoBoLt | guys I need to go for now |
| 15:50.16 | CoBoLt | l4vim, wiil discuss this later |
| 15:50.17 | CoBoLt | k? |
| 15:50.27 | l4vim | ok |
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| 15:50.33 | l4vim | 'll try to find a solution |
| 15:50.39 | l4vim | find to know more |
| 15:52.12 | Atula | here's a question: I can log into my school via ssh (secureCRT is used in windows). How can I get files from it.... since ssh doesn't allow you to download files |
| 15:52.50 | rbochan | winscp |
| 15:52.51 | yancy | Atula, try sftp or scp |
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| 15:53.51 | Atula | hm... thanks yancy |
| 15:54.28 | ValheruLord | hi all... when booting from debian net install cd.. [DR-DOS]A:/ it writes this and does'nt open the debnian installer ...Why do u think |
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| 15:55.04 | Atula | yancy: what's a good client... putty? |
| 15:55.16 | SchemerNate | Any one else have issues with installing unstable from the installer? it's failing on making device files I think. |
| 15:55.53 | jons | hmm asg, i've read man bash for INVOCATION, and i've tried to implement it into my script i.e. i run bash /etc/profile\n bash ~/.profile \n bash ~/.bash_profile etc |
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| 15:56.14 | yancy | Atula: putty doesn't support sftp or scp, you can use winscp. I can't remember securecrt support it or not. |
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| 15:56.36 | jons | but when i try to initiate a program, i get cmureport: error while loading shared libraries: libcmusips.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:56.39 | Ronin | yancy: putty has an scp component to it, cant recall if its a seperate dl though |
| 15:56.41 | Gnea | yancy: putty does support pscp with pscp.exe |
| 15:57.27 | yancy | Ronin, Gnea, thanks for correction. |
| 15:57.27 | Gnea | jons: apt-cache search libcmusips |
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| 15:57.35 | jons | Gnea: that's not the problem |
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| 15:57.48 | Gnea | yancy: it's the first and second links on google if you search for putty |
| 15:57.54 | Atula | yancy: you sure? I see "putty-tools - commmand-line tools for ssh, scp and sftp" |
| 15:58.18 | Gnea | jons: what is? |
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| 15:58.36 | yancy | Atula, as Ronin and Gnea said, putty can support sftp and scp, :) |
| 15:58.41 | jons | i need to initate a kidn of interactive login rather than a non-login, even though it is a non-login so that when a command is initated via ssh i.e. PLINK -pw password user@host command all normal profiles are loaded etc |
| 15:58.57 | jons | i checked man bash for INVOCATION an implemented as much as possible into my script but, it's not working how ti should |
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| 15:59.23 | Atula | yancy: yeah, just realized I didn't read their comments |
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| 16:06.36 | Blue9 | see ya'll tomorrow |
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| 16:13.59 | greycat | !listkeys 8086:4220 |
| 16:14.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8086:4220' by key returned no results. |
| 16:14.45 | rob_lt | fsck!! I just got off the phone with "manitoba telecomm services" which is my ISP and after arguing with the woman for 5 minutes I finally figured out that she didn't know that DSL was broadband internet service! |
| 16:15.09 | rob_lt | she kept saying, "what broadband, I don't know what you mean"! |
| 16:15.17 | rbochan | welcome to tech support.. please right click on 'my computer'... |
| 16:15.28 | csdgp | makes you wonder where they come up with these morons, or the morons who hired them :) |
| 16:15.40 | thorie_ | hello... how do I set up my /etc/hosts so that if i ping *.somedomain.com I will not get a response? |
| 16:15.59 | rbochan | rob_lt: clicky clicky... http://www.macwhiz.com/articles/art-of-turboing.html |
| 16:16.04 | mike-m | 127.0.0.1 somedomain.com |
| 16:16.23 | thorie_ | mike-m: wouldn't that cause it to give a response? |
| 16:16.28 | ralf | yes |
| 16:16.34 | csdgp | thorie_: if you want to block pings to the entire domain, you'll need to block it in iptables |
| 16:16.35 | rbochan | try 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:16.39 | ralf | 192.168.0.254 somedomain.com |
| 16:16.40 | ralf | no |
| 16:16.45 | ralf | 0.0.0.0 is the ne address |
| 16:16.50 | mike-m | no, when he get somedomain.com, it looks at ip 127.0.0.1 (hes local webserver) |
| 16:16.54 | ralf | is more likely a broadcast address |
| 16:16.54 | mike-m | s/hes/his |
| 16:17.02 | pipeline | You know |
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| 16:17.09 | ralf | $ ping 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:17.09 | ralf | PING 0.0.0.0 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 16:17.09 | ralf | 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.075 ms |
| 16:17.09 | ralf | 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.063 ms |
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| 16:17.10 | pipeline | the recommended way to set up a local domain |
| 16:17.14 | pipeline | is to make a top-level domain |
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| 16:17.27 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 16:17.27 | ralf | wow |
| 16:17.39 | thorie_ | i registered my domain name with yahoo, but now...asdfakdsfa.mydomain.com resolves to premium5.geo.yahoo.akadns.com and an IP... and I get a ping response |
| 16:17.40 | pipeline | Don't use somedomain.com |
| 16:17.40 | solemnwarning | dont apt have the w32codecs package any more? |
| 16:17.51 | thorie_ | even though asdfakdsfa is a garbage string |
| 16:17.54 | rbochan | solemnwarning: depends on the apt sources you use |
| 16:17.57 | asg | solemnwarning: get them from marillat (/msg dpkg mplayer) |
| 16:17.58 | ralf | solemnwarning: look in marillat repository |
| 16:18.07 | rob_lt | I was asking here, if I get rid of my phone service, do I still have to pay for my broadband _plus_ pay just to have a phone line, and she kept saying, "you don't understand, you need a phone line to use DSL." I said, "I know that, you aren't answering my question."... AHHH!!! |
| 16:18.13 | rob_lt | s/here/her |
| 16:18.15 | mike-m | solemnwarning, no, get it from scratch or by another repo |
| 16:18.16 | thorie_ | i still want ftp.mydomain.com to work, and www.mydomain.com to work... etc... |
| 16:18.22 | thorie_ | any ideas? |
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| 16:18.44 | rbochan | thorie_: you'll have to register those addresses with your DNS |
| 16:18.54 | thorie_ | rbochan: those are registered |
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| 16:19.28 | valdyn | thorie_: registering that yourdomain.com with yahoo does not include servicing subdomains like ftp.yourdomain.com, talk to your isp ( yahoo? ) to get that. |
| 16:19.29 | rbochan | apparently they aren't reslving |
| 16:19.30 | thorie_ | rbochan: the problem is, *.mydomain.com is ALSO registered, so if i try ANYTHING it will resolve to premium5.geo.yahoo.akadns.com |
| 16:19.42 | thorie_ | valdyn: that isn't the problem |
| 16:19.54 | thorie_ | valdyn: the problem is that *.mydomain.com is registered |
| 16:20.05 | rbochan | then unregister it |
| 16:20.08 | thorie_ | valdyn: i don't want asdfhakdjhfksadf.mydomain.com to return a ping response |
| 16:20.16 | valdyn | thorie_: same thing, talk to yahoo |
| 16:20.24 | fugit | In sid is there a easy way around the "libjack0.80.0-0" problem so I can install kde? |
| 16:20.34 | thorie_ | valdyn: i spoke to yahoo and they cannot remove the *.mydomain.com part... which is fine, i don't care if externally it is pingable... but i want to block it internally |
| 16:20.40 | asg | fugit: does the bts list a workaround? |
| 16:20.44 | rbochan | fugit: grab the older package manually |
| 16:20.44 | ranch137 | thorie: talk to yahoo...or just switch the DNS Name Servers to another service. |
| 16:20.57 | valdyn | thorie_: are you using yahoos nameserver? |
| 16:20.59 | fugit | thanks rbochan |
| 16:21.02 | thorie_ | valdyn: yes |
| 16:21.12 | valdyn | thorie_: then you still need to talk to yahoo |
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| 16:21.19 | fugit | asg lists a fix for packagers |
| 16:21.21 | rbochan | fugit: you're going to run into a bunch of hell though, with libasound and such |
| 16:21.35 | fugit | then I guess I can just wait |
| 16:21.37 | csdgp | thorie_: If you want to block it internally, then use iptables to allow connections to only the addresses you want. |
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| 16:21.39 | thorie_ | valdyn: they refuse to remove the *.mydomain.com part... even when i asked to keep only www.mydomain.com and ftp.mydomain.com |
| 16:21.47 | asg | fugit: well, probably better to wait unless #debian-kde has some idea |
| 16:21.56 | Atula | gosh darn it!!! |
| 16:21.58 | fugit | Who knows maybe I will end up liking gnome :-) |
| 16:22.00 | ranch137 | thorie_: I'd suggest no-ip.com, dyndns.org, or ipupdater.com |
| 16:22.01 | rbochan | thorie_: then employ soeone else who will acutally do what their paying customers weant them to |
| 16:22.03 | thorie_ | csdgp: it's not the IP that i want blocked, its the fact that ANYTHING.mydomain.com resolves to an actual IP address |
| 16:22.04 | Atula | I can't get java to work |
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| 16:22.13 | asg | Atula: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:22.24 | fugit | asg rbochan : thanks for the info |
| 16:22.33 | Atula | asg: I did that, foo. the tutorial is kind of flurry |
| 16:22.33 | valdyn | thorie_: you could block the IP that it is being resolved to, you could use your own nameserver and set it up to refuse resolving that domain. |
| 16:22.36 | rbochan | fugit: it can be done, it's just a bit of a PITA |
| 16:22.49 | Atula | is there a package call "java-package" in debian? |
| 16:22.55 | thorie_ | valdyn: that would cause a problem, because the ip it resolves to will be used if they browse to www.mydomain.com |
| 16:22.57 | Atula | or do I have to get all the java packages? |
| 16:22.57 | asg | Atula: did you follow the 'java-package' bit |
| 16:23.09 | asg | !info java-package sarge |
| 16:23.10 | elirips | Atula, in contrib |
| 16:23.11 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 16:23.11 | fugit | rbochan: yeah, its my work machine though, I should be doing work :-) |
| 16:23.31 | Atula | !contrib |
| 16:23.31 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 16:23.58 | Atula | k |
| 16:24.03 | Atula | I will add contrib at the end |
| 16:24.13 | asg | Atula: then apt-get update and then apt-get install java-package |
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| 16:24.33 | rob_lt | rbochan, I read some of that link... could come in very handy in the future |
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| 16:24.45 | rbochan | rob_lt: yes, it's nifty |
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| 16:25.10 | mops_ | hello! |
| 16:25.15 | Atula | where's /etc/sourcelist |
| 16:25.18 | Atula | is that the name? |
| 16:25.19 | Azar | o/t news: it is official: AMD socket A gone: http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/gorn.jpg |
| 16:25.21 | greycat | What the fuck is an "eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
| 16:25.22 | greycat | "? |
| 16:25.23 | asg | Atula: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:25.24 | mops_ | what is the name of utility to change state of LED under console? |
| 16:25.24 | Atula | freakin' foroot |
| 16:25.26 | Atula | ah |
| 16:25.28 | Atula | tanks |
| 16:25.40 | asg | greycat: sounds ghastly |
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| 16:26.02 | rbochan | greycat: proprietary drivers of some sort? |
| 16:26.25 | asg | greycat: firewire ethernet |
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| 16:26.35 | greycat | whatever it is, sarge's 2.4 kernel doesn't know it, and linux26 sees it and makes it an eth0, but it can't get a DHCP response using it |
| 16:26.50 | thatguy100 | upgraded to 3.1 from 3.0 and now apache will not start -- im getting apache/etc/init.d/apache: line 89: 1130 Segmentation fault, can anyone help |
| 16:26.53 | greycat | cat /proc/pci on the 2.4 kernel gave me "Intel ... 8086:4220" |
| 16:27.08 | ke6isf | Hey, wife's sound works. |
| 16:27.16 | dondelelcaro | thatguy100: that's interesting. what modules are you using? |
| 16:27.23 | rob_lt | ke6isf, what sound does she make? |
| 16:27.26 | grigora | thatguy100: was Apache built from source? |
| 16:27.38 | thatguy100 | no not built from source |
| 16:27.45 | idnar | greycat: that's Ethernet over Firewire |
| 16:27.48 | rbochan | didja read the release notes? |
| 16:28.03 | greycat | idnar: so what kernel do I need to make it work? |
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| 16:28.38 | idnar | greycat: what do you have it plugged into? |
| 16:28.45 | thatguy100 | using standard modules plus mysql and php4 |
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| 16:29.08 | greycat | idnar: cat-5 cable to a Linksys/Cisco 8port switch uplinked to a wall jack which goes to god knows what sort of Cisco switch (not under my control) |
| 16:29.26 | idnar | greycat: if you've got cat-5 plugged in, then you're looking at the wrong network device, I think |
| 16:29.41 | antgel | hi all, apache 1.3 on sarge - want to include php for ssl, tried apache-modconf apache-ssl enable libphp4.so but the LoadModule line still doesn't appear in /etc/apache-ssl/modules.conf, any idea what the correct command is? |
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| 16:29.54 | valdyn | greycat: that's a notebook? |
| 16:29.59 | greycat | valdyn: yes. centrino. |
| 16:30.05 | greycat | Dell Inspiron 6000 |
| 16:30.21 | asg | antgel: I always add the lines manually, apache-modconf is weak. |
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| 16:30.54 | antgel | asg: fair enough but there's a warning at the top of the file not to edit it manually |
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| 16:31.04 | idnar | greycat: a firewire port looks like http://www.greatlink.european-rep.com/images/firewire2.jpg -- Ethernet over Firewire is something like Ethernet over USB |
| 16:31.07 | antgel | asg: any down side to doing that? |
| 16:31.17 | greycat | what's the linux26 version of "cat /proc/pci"? |
| 16:31.40 | idnar | greycat: lspci |
| 16:31.52 | greycat | idnar: doesn't work at the d-i install shell |
| 16:31.56 | antgel | asg: i just did it - needed to type apache-modconf apache-ssl enable mod_php4 |
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| 16:31.59 | ke6isf | rob_lt: No no no, her sound card works. Previous problem was an inability to get sound out of an sb16 despite a successful modprobe and restart of alsa. |
| 16:32.01 | antgel | very confusing |
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| 16:32.17 | idnar | greycat: hrm. |
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| 16:32.36 | idnar | greycat: lspci comes from pciutils, so I guess it's not around in the installer |
| 16:32.52 | zerge | hi! I want to start a daemon from an init.d script that runs as non-root user (e.g. jboss is this user). What command should I use to start the daemon as the mentioned user? su - jboss -c ${CMD}? |
| 16:32.54 | Vegar | where do I set which gcc/g++ version I want to use? |
| 16:32.55 | asg | antgel: cool |
| 16:33.07 | stew | greycat: /proc/bus/pci? |
| 16:33.09 | idnar | greycat: have you tried the 3c59x module? |
| 16:33.28 | greycat | idnar: for intel 8086:4220? |
| 16:33.30 | asg | zerge: start-stop-daemon can do that for you |
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| 16:33.58 | idnar | greycat: uh, probably not; I'm confusing myself here, sorry |
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| 16:35.12 | greycat | http://sulug.stanford.edu/thinkpad/ndis.html is scaring me. |
| 16:35.12 | zerge | asg: so just make an init script based on the /etc/init.d/skeleton script and parameterize it? |
| 16:35.17 | greycat | even though they don't say anything coherent |
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| 16:35.24 | zerge | asg: thx |
| 16:35.34 | asg | zerge: exactly |
| 16:35.40 | idnar | greycat: that device looks like the wireless chipset |
| 16:36.04 | greycat | yeah, but if I can't figure out how to run lspci or cat /proc/pci in this environment, I can't look again to find ANOTHER chipset.... :/ |
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| 16:36.51 | idnar | greycat: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/insp6000/p-net.html#ether seems to think the "6000d" has a Broadcom 440x (drive 'b44') chipset |
| 16:37.20 | valdyn | greycat: you sure that thing is not the wireless adapter? |
| 16:37.29 | greycat | idnar: aha, b44 made an eth1 spring into existence. |
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| 16:37.47 | greycat | valdyn: I'm sure that /proc/bus/pci/devices is meaningless numeric crap that I can't parse. |
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| 16:38.18 | rbochan | ack! |
| 16:38.20 | valdyn | greycat: alright, looks like you found the broadcom, the wireless thing seems to need ndiswrapper |
| 16:38.28 | asg | sadly |
| 16:38.30 | rbochan | just got summoned for jury duty |
| 16:38.48 | greycat | idnar: thanks. that seems to work with DHCP too. |
| 16:38.57 | idnar | greycat: great :) |
| 16:39.17 | idnar | valdyn: google results suggest the ipw2200 driver should work too, but perhaps not in ad-hoc mode |
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| 16:39.36 | greycat | oh come ON! |
| 16:39.42 | greycat | now it doesn't see the hard disk |
| 16:39.48 | valdyn | idnar: that might be right. im just googling too and i doubt that guy tried compiling modules. |
| 16:40.09 | stew | i think greycat owes himself a quarter or something |
| 16:40.44 | philips | Why can't my Prism I card do iwlist eth1 scan? Operation not supported. I swear it worked under my old distro. Using orinoco_pci |
| 16:40.48 | greycat | are they making SATA laptops now or something?! |
| 16:40.53 | valdyn | Dell Truemobile 1350 B/G Mini-PCI <- nice and confusing. |
| 16:40.54 | asg | greycat: the tuxmobile pages indicate you need 2.4 for that box as 2.6 doesn't work |
| 16:40.56 | idnar | greycat: apparently so |
| 16:40.58 | greycat | (and if it is SATA, 1) how do I find out, and 2) what do I do about it?) |
| 16:41.09 | asg | greycat: http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html |
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| 16:41.19 | november | how come when i apt-get install php, when i run php i get file not found |
| 16:41.29 | november | php4 that is |
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| 16:41.31 | asg | november: apt-get install php4-cgi |
| 16:41.38 | november | ok |
| 16:41.44 | furrywolf | is it my imagination, or has the average positive feedback percentage on ebay been dropping substantially lately? |
| 16:41.50 | greycat | ``cos it doesn't recognise the hd, so use the 2.4 kernel'' -- wow, there's the voice of authority. |
| 16:42.02 | valdyn | greycat: its sata intel ich6m |
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| 16:42.08 | idnar | greycat: it'll show up as a "SCSI" device (ie. /dev/sda or whatever) but you'll probably need ata_piix installed or something |
| 16:42.21 | valdyn | greycat: which needs ( iirc ) a newer 2.6 kernel than 2.6.8 |
| 16:42.30 | greycat | lovely. |
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| 16:42.46 | idnar | s/installed/loaded/ |
| 16:42.51 | rbochan | furrywolf: you get that damn laptop up and running yet? |
| 16:43.10 | FarrisG | I've been out of the loop for a while. Now that sarge is released, is sid/unstable quite literally unstable, more so than before? What is "testing" now called? If I used sid/unstable in my sources.list before, what should I be using now? |
| 16:43.10 | RogueDopple | emphasis on damn |
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| 16:43.58 | idnar | FarrisG: I don't think sid is much more "unstable" than it was before |
| 16:44.05 | Schiz0 | testing is now etch |
| 16:44.11 | idnar | FarrisG: you may run into some fun issue with the ongoing C++ ABI transitions |
| 16:44.24 | valdyn | FarrisG: sid is as it is usually, just less stable than it is during the sarge release preparation phase |
| 16:44.27 | furrywolf | rbochan: nope. still need to buy the 2.5" to 3.5" adapter. yet the average feedback rating of people selling them is about 90%... they all look like scammers ($1 item, $24.95 shipping), drop-shippers from hong kong ("may take 6 to 8 weeks"), etc. |
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| 16:45.11 | sett | how is it possible to install this unstable package http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/gallery2 under debian sarge? |
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| 16:45.46 | greycat | ok, the 2.4 kernel sees the disk once I manually tell it to use the b44 driver for the NIC |
| 16:46.14 | greycat | since I also had to tell 2.6 about the NIC, and since 2.6 saw the eth-over-1394 thing and confused me with it, 2.6 doesn't even get half a point. |
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| 16:47.08 | rob_lt | sett, you can download the deb and install with dpkg -i or just go to galleries site and download it from there, which is very straight forward to install. |
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| 16:47.56 | sett | I see, that is what I am doing, the thing is that it depends on lots of ugly stuff :) |
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| 16:49.12 | rob_lt | sett, I don't think many/any of its depends with be version specific, you can just install them first with apt from stable, and then install the .deb with dpkg -i |
| 16:49.26 | zerge | asg: if you are here, how can I pass parameters to the executable I want to run with start-stop-daemon (I want to redirect its console output) |
| 16:49.32 | sett | thank you |
| 16:49.41 | takatumi | greycat: think of it this way, if the wifi b0rked and the NIC gives up, firewire eth might be the saviour. |
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| 16:50.13 | asg | zerge: use -- to end start-stop-daemon's processing of options |
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| 16:50.32 | greycat | takatumi: the cat-5 cable ain't gonna fit. |
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| 16:51.02 | asg | zerge: look at other examples in /etc/init.d to see how they do it |
| 16:51.08 | takatumi | greycat: :D |
| 16:51.13 | greycat | and you're assuming I know *anything* about wireless other than "it's evil, shun it!!" |
| 16:51.34 | zerge | asg : thanks again |
| 16:51.41 | FieldySnuts | screw wireless. no security and getting it to work in linux with free / open drivers is almost impossible |
| 16:52.14 | FieldySnuts | ~lart wireless |
| 16:52.17 | ranch137 | FieldySnuts: really? I've been using wireless for years in Linux with little to no trouble. |
| 16:52.19 | FieldySnuts | irony |
| 16:52.20 | raf256 | hmm |
| 16:52.21 | p30n | where can i read up on how to make raid-5 in debian with software ? |
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| 16:52.31 | raf256 | can someone be so nice and run some scan on my IP? |
| 16:52.37 | furrywolf | anyone have a 2.5" hard drive, ~3gb, they want to get rid of? :) |
| 16:52.38 | asg | p30n: the raid howto at tldp.org |
| 16:52.46 | p30n | asg: thanks |
| 16:52.46 | FieldySnuts | "some scan"? yeah then your isp gets mad at me, hnoo thanks |
| 16:52.54 | rbochan | furrywolf: I have one, but you can't have it |
| 16:52.56 | raf256 | FieldySnuts, its my own ip |
| 16:53.16 | raf256 | FieldySnuts, can you run on me some quick nessus scan? |
| 16:53.16 | ranch137 | p30n: use mdadm ... pretty straightforward to use. |
| 16:53.19 | greycat | does /ctcp version count as a scan? |
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| 16:53.38 | Atula | what's the option to remove non-empyt folders again? rmdir -r folder? |
| 16:53.52 | furrywolf | !folder |
| 16:53.52 | dpkg | [folder] a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 16:53.58 | raf256 | ok... can someone run a quick nessus scan on my IP please? |
| 16:53.59 | asg | Atula: man rm |
| 16:54.26 | asg | raf256: go to efnet, pick a random channel, call them a bunch of cocks. Someone will likely be scanning you in no time. |
| 16:54.32 | rob_lt | raf256, just post your IP here, I'm sure someone will be more than happy |
| 16:54.32 | raf256 | Atula, rm -rf |
| 16:54.41 | furrywolf | f is rarely needed |
| 16:54.45 | p30n | ranch137 mdadm, where can i find it and where is it ? |
| 16:54.50 | p30n | what is it* |
| 16:54.56 | ranch137 | p30n: apt-get install mdadm |
| 16:54.57 | raf256 | asac, rob_lt ....... thanx ;) |
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| 16:55.14 | ranch137 | p30n: it's the new "raidtools" for software raid management. |
| 16:55.23 | p30n | ok |
| 16:55.24 | p30n | nice |
| 16:55.24 | Atula | I want to remove a non empty directory |
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| 16:55.33 | Atula | what's the options? |
| 16:55.48 | shingouz | Atula: man rm |
| 16:55.48 | Atula | rmdir -? directory? |
| 16:56.04 | furrywolf | Atula: man rm |
| 16:56.13 | Atula | rm is not rmdir |
| 16:56.16 | Atula | wtf |
| 16:56.18 | ranch137 | Atula: rm -Rf <directoryname> ... -R = recursive , -f = force (don't ask for confirm) ... RTM. |
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| 16:56.27 | Atula | thank you |
| 16:56.30 | shingouz | Atula: no it is not. it is another command |
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| 16:56.59 | shingouz | Atula: and read the manuyal especially if you are root when you use the command. it may hose your whole system |
| 16:57.06 | rbochan | furrywolf: http://www.pricewatch.com/default.aspx?p=http%3A//www.pricewatch.com/prc.aspx%3Fi%3D26%26a%3D270641 |
| 16:57.29 | ranch137 | p30n: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2002/12/05/RAID.html |
| 16:57.44 | p30n | thanks |
| 16:57.49 | Atula | shingouz: man yourass |
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| 16:58.04 | shingouz | Atula: wtf is your problem |
| 16:58.06 | asg | FieldySnuts: keep doing that, there isn't going to be enough Phated to go around. |
| 16:58.11 | Atula | !wtf |
| 16:58.21 | Atula | !jerk |
| 16:58.21 | dpkg | [jerk] someone who needs something to do. |
| 16:58.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite asg |
| 16:58.24 | ravenbird | asg: jeeeez mate who cut the dog in half? better check your bloody dacks mate |
| 16:58.29 | greycat | asg: well then we'll just have to nibble on FieldySnuts instead |
| 16:58.34 | delirium | when I boot my computer it tries to activate the network connection. When I have the network cable unplugged it still tries to activate the network connection and it takes a lot of time because it desperatly tries to connect, what of course doesn't work with the cable unplugged. Isn't it possible to configure Debian so it doesn't try to connect when the link is down ? They system knows the connection is down because the driver outputs a li |
| 16:58.34 | delirium | ne saying the link is down. But still Debian insists on connecting. Can anybody help me with this ? |
| 16:58.36 | november | asg can i pm? |
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| 16:58.39 | asg | greycat: point taken |
| 16:58.48 | furrywolf | Atula: umm? if you type something like rm -rf /, your entire system will be erased. rather than swearing, maybe you should head warnings? |
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| 16:58.50 | asg | november: just ask in channel, you'll benefit from peer review. |
| 16:58.54 | november | ok |
| 16:59.00 | littlefae | Hello people. :) |
| 16:59.04 | november | i just switched to deb, so im not a total noob |
| 16:59.11 | FieldySnuts | or peer flame, whichever appliles |
| 16:59.16 | shingouz | Atula: the point is that unless you know what rm is and you run it as root you are very liable to fuck up your whole system. if you are dumb enough to act like you just did, i am too happy to put you on ignore |
| 16:59.17 | november | i have php4 and apache installed |
| 16:59.20 | Gnea | i hate it when people take irc too seriously |
| 16:59.21 | greycat | so if this hard disk is really SATA, why doesn't the dmesg have "SATA" anywhere in it? |
| 16:59.33 | november | but apache generated a .phtml file instead of executing the php |
| 16:59.33 | greycat | (it's showing up as /dev/hda and is called "ATA" in the 2.4 dmesg) |
| 16:59.44 | littlefae | I have a question for you all, before I start my switch to a highly customised debian machine... |
| 16:59.48 | Atula | furrywolf: I needed to rm a non empty directory... I forgot the command.... (-R) just asked for that... iddn't ask for a f*cking lecture about man and root.... sh*t.... sometimes I forget the command.... |
| 16:59.48 | FieldySnuts | i have never seen an sata drive not show up as sdX |
| 16:59.53 | justin | greycat: legacy emulation? |
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| 17:00.01 | greycat | Atula: welcome to *plonk* |
| 17:00.19 | littlefae | My question is simple: Does the network install support the Netgear 802.11g wifi network card? PCMCIA |
| 17:00.27 | Gnea | Atula: we're not here to just tell you how to do things, you gotta learn and around here, you gotta READ to learn. think we're jerks cuz of it? you're wrong. |
| 17:00.28 | greycat | justin: could be... but I'd prefer if the system gave me some clue what's going on. it clearly isn't emulation at the hardware level because 2.6.8 can't see it. |
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| 17:00.49 | Atula | Gnea: I got no bones to pick with you m8. shh! |
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| 17:00.57 | valdyn | littlefae: probably not, but "netgear" sais nothing about what the thing really is. |
| 17:01.00 | littlefae | Atula: rm -rf <foldername> ? |
| 17:01.03 | justin | greycat: is it a board that has sata and pata and the drive is connected to the pata port? |
| 17:01.06 | Gnea | Atula: i will not ssh. who the hell are you? back off. |
| 17:01.09 | greycat | justin: it's a laptop |
| 17:01.19 | greycat | it's new and shiny and says centrino on it. |
| 17:01.26 | rbochan | ooo shiny |
| 17:01.29 | Atula | for the record... it was a quick question... an OPTION in the RM... I GOT it! it's over... done with.... leave me the F*ck alone!!! |
| 17:01.31 | furrywolf | greycat: wanna trade laptops? |
| 17:01.34 | greycat | furrywolf: not mine. |
| 17:01.36 | FieldySnuts | !fuck Atula |
| 17:01.46 | justin | greycat: what kind? mine has sata.. works fine :-) |
| 17:01.49 | Atula | oy |
| 17:01.54 | Gnea | Atula: you should've thought about that before acting like a spoiled little bitch. |
| 17:01.56 | asg | november: make sure php4 is actually working with apache (use lynx, netcat, or telnet to verify the signature contains PHP) |
| 17:01.57 | greycat | July is when the new batch of Fellows come in and then they need to get their laptops made into dual-boot boxes for 2 years. |
| 17:02.01 | Atula | sigh... |
| 17:02.04 | Atula | !shutup |
| 17:02.04 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
| 17:02.10 | Gnea | !troll Atula |
| 17:02.12 | littlefae | Card is: Netgear WG511\ |
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| 17:02.17 | asg | november: if it doesn't, verify support in /etc/apache/modules.conf; if it does. Flush your browser cache and try again. |
| 17:02.17 | Atula | !troll Gnea |
| 17:02.18 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.20 | greycat | justin: dell inspiron 6000 |
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| 17:02.22 | FieldySnuts | jesus hcirst |
| 17:02.25 | FieldySnuts | yeah i'm ignoring too |
| 17:02.28 | Atula | Leave me alone |
| 17:02.28 | rbochan | biting the hand that feeds is no way to continue getting fed |
| 17:02.30 | Atula | gosh darn it |
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| 17:02.37 | Atula | haha |
| 17:02.37 | justin | greycat: hmm, I have a latitude d610, should me pretty much the same thing |
| 17:02.46 | asg | we were trolled by Mr. Rogers apparently |
| 17:02.50 | Gnea | shitheads like that make the world crumble. |
| 17:02.57 | Kream | Hi. is there a way I can, as a non-root user, install packages using apt-get into my home directory ? |
| 17:02.58 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 17:02.58 | apt | China will nuke France for the hell of it! |
| 17:03.04 | Gnea | heh |
| 17:03.23 | asg | Kream: you can apt-get source and build them in your $HOME |
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| 17:03.42 | Kream | asg: no luck with binaries, though, eh ? |
| 17:03.49 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: oooh, have you see the new pictures of Chernobyl? |
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| 17:04.01 | littlefae | So yeah, WG511, is it supported by the network install? :) |
| 17:04.02 | greycat | justin: well so far sarge's 2.4 kernel sees the NIC and the disk. |
| 17:04.05 | greycat | video card is next. |
| 17:04.07 | asg | Kream: you might be able to use divert or some other cross-path hackage but I have no experience in that area. |
| 17:04.12 | elkid | is it posible to get gnome 2.10 in sarge or need get the unstable thing? |
| 17:04.13 | greycat | (after some package installs of course) |
| 17:04.13 | Kream | asg: thanks :) |
| 17:04.15 | justin | greycat: granted i have ubuntu on mine, but the kernel wouldn't be much different... do you have ata_piix loaded? |
| 17:04.16 | thorie_ | how can I have *.somedomain.com resolve to a certain ip? can I do that in /etc/hosts? like 1.2.3.4 *.somedomain.com |
| 17:04.33 | mwilson | thorie_: No. |
| 17:04.39 | thorie_ | mwilson: how do I do it? |
| 17:04.43 | greycat | justin: doesn't show up in lsmod |
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| 17:04.49 | justin | greycat: my desktop here is weird too, you need to load ide_generic then piix then ata_piix otherwise the cdrom won't work |
| 17:04.52 | mwilson | thorie_: You would have to control the DNS for somedomain.com |
| 17:04.53 | Kream | that's why I asked |
| 17:04.57 | Gnea | littlefae: sorry, got distracted a bit, is that the usb version? |
| 17:05.01 | krono | mwilson, no every time |
| 17:05.03 | littlefae | PCMCIA version |
| 17:05.06 | Gnea | hrm |
| 17:05.10 | Gnea | what chipset? |
| 17:05.12 | krono | if its for only 'tihs' pc it works |
| 17:05.15 | thorie_ | mwilson: oh... sorry i meant just internally on behind our firewall |
| 17:05.17 | Atula | thorie_: no-ip.com? |
| 17:05.31 | littlefae | Not sure. Works fine under Ubuntu. |
| 17:05.44 | krono | thorie_, should work |
| 17:05.48 | Gnea | you didn't check out dmesg or lspci then? |
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| 17:05.51 | thorie_ | mwilson: i don't need the entire internet to have *.mydomain.com to resolve to an IP... just the ones on the LAN who use my debian box as a DNS server |
| 17:06.03 | littlefae | No... didn't think I needed to. |
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| 17:06.11 | Gnea | well |
| 17:06.22 | ranch137 | thorie_: why not set up a local DNS server...then use a name for your network. |
| 17:06.23 | littlefae | I figured the model number would suffice. :D |
| 17:06.29 | Gnea | what the manual of the hardware says it is and what linux sees it as can sometimes be two different things |
| 17:06.33 | Gnea | nope. |
| 17:06.35 | mwilson | thorie_: Yes, and how is that relevant to what I said? If you control the DNS, make it respond however you like. |
| 17:06.37 | ranch137 | thorie_: I use "my.lan" at home...so my debian box is "debian.my.lan" |
| 17:06.39 | krono | for the /etc/hosrts is the dns before dns this should work i think |
| 17:06.47 | littlefae | Gimme a sec... Netgear believe only in pdf manuals |
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| 17:06.49 | Gnea | the model number doesn't reveal the chipset encased inside |
| 17:07.13 | mwilson | krono: And a wildcard started being vaild syntax in /etc/hosts when, exactly? |
| 17:07.15 | ranch137 | hosts files means you have to edit the hosts file on each machine (non-centralized approach)...I like the reverse by using a bind9 server. |
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| 17:07.30 | krono | mwilson, dont think so |
| 17:07.36 | krono | mwilson, tried man hosts? |
| 17:07.47 | littlefae | Whilst I'm on the subject, is there a way to rsync only a single file? |
| 17:07.55 | Gnea | yeah |
| 17:08.01 | Gnea | just give it the path |
| 17:08.05 | littlefae | Excellent. |
| 17:08.06 | mwilson | krono: Thank you, no, I know how the hosts file works. Why are you telling him to put a wildcard in /etc/hosts? |
| 17:08.11 | Gnea | dunno why you'd wanna do that |
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| 17:08.25 | krono | mwilson, did i? |
| 17:08.28 | krono | sory |
| 17:08.32 | Gnea | but oh well |
| 17:08.42 | stew | littlefae: sure |
| 17:09.02 | littlefae | I wanna keep some files in sync, mainly my computer settings, there are some things I like to alter from time to time, but don't like to re-do them on every machine |
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| 17:09.37 | Seb | littlefae: cvs/svn |
| 17:09.44 | krono | wheres dpkg gone oO |
| 17:09.53 | PeTeRB | !test |
| 17:09.53 | dpkg | Sorry, peterb, I didn't get your test. |
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| 17:10.16 | stew | wierd, why did dpkg downcase the nick? |
| 17:10.28 | littlefae | !help |
| 17:10.31 | PeTeRB | stew: Because mine is lame :P |
| 17:10.37 | PeTeRB | !nickometer PeTeRB |
| 17:10.38 | dpkg | 'PeTeRB' is 98.670% lame, peterb |
| 17:10.43 | kart_ | how can i get list of various options with dpkg? |
| 17:10.49 | myren | Is Xvfb still the defacto fake X display? |
| 17:10.50 | asg | kart_: /msg dpkg help |
| 17:10.50 | stew | kart_: man dpkg |
| 17:10.53 | krono | !nickometer krono |
| 17:11.01 | rob_lt | littlefae, rsync? |
| 17:11.30 | littlefae | !nickometer Littlefae |
| 17:11.47 | littlefae | That pdf is useless. |
| 17:11.53 | mtnman | can you guys please play with the bot in /msg or #debian-bots? |
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| 17:12.16 | Gnea | yeah, we know the bot works |
| 17:12.24 | Gnea | make it useful |
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| 17:13.05 | thorie_ | how do I setup a local DNS? |
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| 17:13.29 | Gnea | thorie_: there is an excellent howto that explains every step of it at www.tldp.org |
| 17:13.35 | krono | read http:/cr.yp.to |
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| 17:14.09 | asg | krono: he'd probably be better of with lifewithdjbdns.com |
| 17:14.10 | krono | *http://cr.yp.to |
| 17:14.16 | krono | aye that |
| 17:14.30 | krono | smarden.org has infficial binaries |
| 17:14.44 | trand | hmm... i'm using Eterm 0.9.2(debian sarge). your eterm supports utf-8? i like to know. |
| 17:14.53 | asg | krono: no need, it is simplicity itself to compile djbware |
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| 17:15.28 | asg | !info djbdns-installer |
| 17:15.30 | dpkg | djbdns-installer: (Source only package for building djbdns), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.05-11 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 17:15.44 | krono | 'k |
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| 17:16.52 | tom__ | I have a question, I need to know where the "Kernel C headers" are in Debian Linux 3.1 using Kernel 2.6.8-2-386 i686. Any help would be apriciated. |
| 17:17.11 | delirium | When I boot my computer with the network cable unplugged, Debian still tries to connect, taking up a lot of time. The NIC driver outputs a line that says that the link is down, still Debian insists on trying to connect. Isn't it possible to skip the connect attempt when the network cable is unplugged ? |
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| 17:17.56 | zap_ | how shall persistent ppp connection be realized, i.e. automatic reconnect if connection goes down? i currently have an ip-down script which calls `ifup ppp0`. |
| 17:18.18 | valdyn | tom__: what are you trying to compile? |
| 17:18.22 | abrotman | tom__: in the kernel-headers pacakge ? |
| 17:18.23 | thorie_ | delirium: you could have it not try to connect automatically, and connect manually after you login |
| 17:18.36 | mtnman | zap_: i haven't used ppp in a while, but iirc, there is a setting in the advanced menu of pppconfig. |
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| 17:18.48 | tom__ | valdyn: I'm trying to compile VMWare. |
| 17:18.52 | zap_ | mtnman: i have used the persist option if you meant this one |
| 17:18.56 | delirium | thorie_ : yes I know, but there has to be a better way, right ? |
| 17:19.01 | abrotman | compile vmware? |
| 17:19.06 | cbr | bykte, do you live in Vero Beach? |
| 17:19.15 | zap_ | mtnman: however, pppd goes down anyway, at least it calls the ip-down scripts |
| 17:19.17 | tom__ | abrotman: I have the kernel headers package, but it doesn't have the things VMWare 5 needs.. |
| 17:19.24 | abrotman | like what? |
| 17:19.25 | valdyn | tom__: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:20.12 | valdyn | abrotman: vmware used to compile modules against /usr/include/linux/, i dont know if it still does. |
| 17:20.21 | tom__ | valdyn: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 is already the newest version. |
| 17:20.24 | abrotman | sounds like broken doodoo :) |
| 17:20.31 | zap_ | is it ok that ip-down scripts are executed if persist is enabled in ppp settings? |
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| 17:21.23 | stew | hahaha: http://brad.getcoded.net/blog/entry.php?e=1710592409 |
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| 17:21.47 | Reptile4 | one of my drives (/dev/hdc1) is full... so i deleted about 2-3 gigs of files, but yet the drive still thinks its full? Is there anyway to make it check itself so it can see that it's not full anymore? |
| 17:21.53 | valdyn | tom__: you could try apt-get install linux-kernel-headers, but if vmware uses that then its broken and might work or not. |
| 17:22.05 | abrotman | !punish stew |
| 17:22.05 | asg | Reptile4: did you delete log files? |
| 17:22.24 | Reptile4 | asg: no i didn't delete logfiles... i deleted some rared files |
| 17:22.31 | stew | don't cut the messenger's balls off |
| 17:22.34 | tom__ | valdyn: "The path "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2" is an existing directory, but it doesnot contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected." |
| 17:22.51 | asg | Reptile4: Does 'df -i' indicate inode usage is 100% |
| 17:22.56 | abrotman | Reptile4: grep hdc1 /etc/fstab |
| 17:23.16 | Reptile4 | /dev/hdc1 1921984 24785 1897199 2% /home |
| 17:23.21 | Reptile4 | so no, it does see only 2% is used |
| 17:23.32 | Reptile4 | but df shows /dev/hdc1 15116836 14348932 0 100% /home |
| 17:23.34 | krono | tom__, dont you need kernel-source? |
| 17:23.38 | delirium | When I boot my computer with the network cable unplugged, Debian still tries to connect, taking up a lot of time. The NIC driver outputs a line that says that the link is down, still Debian insists on trying to connect. Isn't it possible to skip the connect attempt when the network cable is unplugged ? |
| 17:23.40 | delirium | anyone ? |
| 17:23.42 | valdyn | tom__: ah so vmware is fucked in a different way: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r), extract it, copy your current config there as ".config", run make oldconfig, build vmware stuff. |
| 17:23.54 | abrotman | delirium: you were answered already i think |
| 17:24.15 | asg | Reptile4: a certain (5%) percentage of space is reserved for root's use. You could reduce that with tune2fs. |
| 17:24.15 | tom__ | valdyn: Old config? |
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| 17:24.24 | EdibleText | Is that debian-overflow "idle 5 min" a new policy or is in only invoked during a special circumstance |
| 17:24.28 | valdyn | tom__: 'make oldconfig' |
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| 17:24.32 | asg | Reptile4: also, mounting it ro and fscking might deal with any cruft. |
| 17:24.35 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 17:24.39 | kab00m | im back like arnold :) |
| 17:24.52 | EdibleText | perhaps during network flakiness |
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| 17:25.02 | tom__ | valdyn: E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 17:25.11 | asg | EdibleText: or mass-join attacks when the channel is locked, etc. |
| 17:25.11 | elirips | hello. is it normal that the values 'RX packets' and 'TX packets' grow constantly, even if I don't do anything network-related (close xchat, gaim, skype, kail, konqueror)? |
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| 17:25.14 | rbochan | delirium: you could set up a custom runlevel that has no networking stuff starting and boot into that |
| 17:25.25 | delirium | abrotman : you're telling me there is no better way ? when the link is down it shouldn't try the connect. I mean, that makes sense right ? Even in Windows you can easily boot without the cable |
| 17:25.28 | valdyn | !info kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 17:25.30 | krono | tom__, try kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:25.45 | valdyn | !info kernel-source-2.6.8-2 sarge |
| 17:25.55 | EdibleText | asg, ok I thought there may have been a lurker pogrom |
| 17:25.56 | rbochan | !windowssmite delirium |
| 17:26.03 | valdyn | tom__: yea, sorry, the source tree is not arch specific. |
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| 17:26.22 | tom__ | valdyn & krono: kernel-source-2.6.8 is already the newest version. |
| 17:26.25 | valdyn | s/arch/cpu/ |
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| 17:26.51 | krono | tom__, goto /usr/src and unpack the tar.bz2 file |
| 17:26.52 | valdyn | tom__: good, so extract the /usr/src/kernel-source-blah.tar.bz2 |
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| 17:27.09 | superlinux | do u know a command that can uncompress whatever type of compressed files e.g. tar/tar.gz/zip/rar? |
| 17:27.13 | delirium | rbochan : yes I know, windows sux, but it can boot without cable. Why is that not possible with linux ? Linux is suppose to be better then windows |
| 17:27.22 | kab00m | does anybody know a good terminal icq client except centericq which is complete crap? |
| 17:27.27 | rbochan | one last time... |
| 17:27.28 | rbochan | delirium: you could set up a custom runlevel that has no networking stuff starting and boot into that |
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| 17:27.57 | superlinux | kab00m use gnome icq |
| 17:27.58 | rbochan | kab00m: does micq still exist? |
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| 17:28.13 | delirium | rbochan : how do I do that ? |
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| 17:28.27 | rbochan | delirium: cat /etc/init.d/README |
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| 17:28.39 | shingouz | delirium: remove the "auto" off the NIC config in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:28.46 | tom__ | What is the command line for untaring... its somthing like.... tar -xvfs |
| 17:28.47 | EdibleText | kab00m, bitlbee does icq, IIRC |
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| 17:29.02 | nerdy2 | has it been that long, in my experience windows takes a while to boot if networking is set up as well |
| 17:29.02 | takatumi | irssi-plugin-icq ain't good? |
| 17:29.03 | sett | which process is responsible when you right click on desktop in gnome? |
| 17:29.04 | kab00m | superlinux: gnomeicq aint for the terminal, or is it? rbochan : thanks for the tipp, i try it :) |
| 17:29.10 | sett | the menu appears |
| 17:29.12 | valdyn | delirium: you could use ifplugd and remove they 'auto' entry for your network card in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:29.16 | nerdy2 | sett, nautilus |
| 17:29.19 | rbochan | kab00m: I used it ages ago, and it worked well |
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| 17:29.26 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:29.30 | superlinux | pardon |
| 17:29.32 | zap__ | mtnman: just want to let you know that persist works |
| 17:29.34 | shingouz | delirium: unless you know how to screw with the runlevels, don't. too risky, you could very well make your system unbootable |
| 17:29.53 | valdyn | delirium: and btw, windows _too_ takes a long time to get going if dhcp is configured and not available |
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| 17:30.00 | delirium | ok guys, I'll try some of that stuff, thx |
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| 17:30.31 | delirium | valdyn : not with me, it takes as long as with the cable plugged in |
| 17:30.36 | zap__ | mtnman: it did not before because of my script which explicitely killed pppd which was previously necessary as pppd died on connection teardown |
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| 17:31.01 | krono | delirium, you have xp? tit just covers it ;) |
| 17:31.34 | zap__ | mtnman: so on conn. teardown ip-down scripts are executed as one would expect and if persist is enabled a new connection is established and afterwards ip-up scripts are executed |
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| 17:32.00 | delirium | krono : they will have to shoot me before I use XP, my god, windows is becoming a child's toy. I use Windows 2000, the only decent windows version that has ever been made |
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| 17:32.08 | EdibleText | delirium, hit <ctrl>c when it tries to get a lease |
| 17:32.16 | pipeline | delirium: And by 2000, you meant NT 3.51 ? |
| 17:32.18 | krono | delirium, beside 3.1 ;) |
| 17:32.25 | EdibleText | delirium, if you happen to be at a console during boot |
| 17:32.28 | pipeline | krono: NT 3.1 was unusable. |
| 17:32.37 | krono | i mean windows 3.1 ^ |
| 17:32.38 | nerdy2 | 98se was alright |
| 17:32.44 | delirium | krono : I never used anything before Windows 95 :p |
| 17:32.53 | krono | *G* you missed something ;) |
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| 17:33.05 | tom__ | valydn: I untar-ed my kernel sources. |
| 17:33.11 | chacho | hi, my gksu package is acting funny |
| 17:33.13 | delirium | 98se was already kind of nice but 2000 is way better |
| 17:33.14 | chacho | i am running testing |
| 17:33.18 | chacho | and i just changed my password |
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| 17:33.30 | shingouz | pipeline: NT 3.51 was nicer than 4.0 imho :p |
| 17:33.36 | delirium | linux is still better then any windows version though :) |
| 17:33.39 | pipeline | shingouz: That was my point :P |
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| 17:33.48 | chacho | now whenever i try to open up the keyring, if i put in my new password nothing happens, and if i use my old one, it acts like it is going to work but just doesnt open up whatever it was going to |
| 17:33.50 | pipeline | shingouz: No unstable drivers... mmm |
| 17:33.58 | chacho | i can run stuff like synaptic through the terminal fine with sudo |
| 17:34.07 | chacho | but if i try to open it up through gnome, i cant |
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| 17:34.13 | delirium | EdibleText : you can do that ? cool, that's nice. |
| 17:34.16 | schrankwand | Hi, im looking for a howto to installing mono with debian |
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| 17:34.33 | abrotman | schrankwand: #debian-mono |
| 17:34.36 | pipeline | schrankwand: You can try using the packages from unstable. Alternatively, get the "installer" from go-mono.com |
| 17:34.41 | valdyn | chacho: check the bts, logout and kill any still running apps of that user. This is defenitely a bug either way. |
| 17:34.44 | abrotman | pipeline: packages in etch too! |
| 17:34.48 | shingouz | pipeline: and the gui looked like windows is supposed to look like. /me stops trolling now |
| 17:34.48 | EdibleText | delirium, during boot.. its one of the only parts of the boot that will respond to ctrl-c |
| 17:34.50 | abrotman | !info mono etch |
| 17:35.07 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.6-4 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 17:35.10 | EdibleText | only/few |
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| 17:35.38 | DonDrog | hi .. i'm new to debian sistem .. and i want to install it from hard-disk (i have the images of debian-31r0a)... i make the netinst cd to boot .. and i boot i ins debian .. but i don't know how to upgrade him |
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| 17:35.51 | pipeline | abrotman: There I go again, forgetting about the sarge release. |
| 17:35.52 | chacho | valdyn, i have rebooted multiple times and tried to use gksu right after boot but nothing changes |
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| 17:36.27 | valdyn | chacho: hmm, im not familiar with gksu to tell if it does any caching of passwords. |
| 17:36.31 | tom__ | DonDrog: What you trying to do? Netinstall directly off a CD? |
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| 17:36.55 | delirium | thx EdibleText |
| 17:37.10 | EdibleText | np |
| 17:37.30 | DonDrog | tom: i want to upgrade the debian from hard disk .. i have debian 1-14cd .iso |
| 17:37.42 | chacho | well it keeps the passwords in a keyring, i think the problem is when i changed my user password it didnt change the keyring password |
| 17:37.46 | shingouz | i need to get a faster printer for plain text. the epson photo is way too slow and the ink is expensive. otoh, i could get my ass out of this chair and walk over to the laser to grab the papers |
| 17:37.49 | chacho | but, even if i use my old password it doesnt work |
| 17:37.51 | chacho | so i have no idea |
| 17:37.59 | chacho | it accepts my old password though, just doesnt open the program |
| 17:38.07 | DonDrog | i install the debian from debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:38.10 | abrotman | pipeline: i should force you to run sarge for a month so you can drool about etch :) |
| 17:38.21 | DonDrog | * .cd |
| 17:38.24 | tom__ | DonDrog: Why not just backup, and install from scratch? |
| 17:38.44 | valdyn | tom__: configure the cource tree, cd /usr/src/kernel-source-blah ; cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config ; make oldconfig |
| 17:38.53 | DonDrog | scratch? |
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| 17:38.54 | shingouz | DonDrog: is the system useable now? as in a running system and you have root on it? |
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| 17:39.31 | delirium | valdyn : I have no command ifplugd. |
| 17:39.32 | DonDrog | now i am on windows .. at debian i dont have the x server |
| 17:39.48 | DonDrog | and i want to upgrade him |
| 17:39.53 | shingouz | DonDrog: so you do not have debian installed at all? |
| 17:39.53 | valdyn | delirium: apt-cache show ifplugd |
| 17:39.56 | DonDrog | from hard-disk |
| 17:40.05 | tom__ | valdyn: Done and done. Now what? |
| 17:40.07 | FieldySnuts | !confuse DonDrog |
| 17:40.08 | shingouz | DonDrog: do you have debian installed now |
| 17:40.08 | dpkg | No, those was my weasel tomorrow, DonDrog? trousers of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra cheese |
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| 17:40.13 | DonDrog | yes |
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| 17:40.28 | shingouz | DonDrog: is it in running condition? |
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| 17:40.35 | valdyn | tom__: try compiling your vmware module |
| 17:40.36 | DonDrog | yes |
| 17:40.40 | shingouz | DonDrog: do you have root on it? |
| 17:40.44 | DonDrog | yes |
| 17:40.45 | shingouz | jfc... |
| 17:41.00 | shingouz | DonDrog: and you do not have X on it? |
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| 17:41.26 | tom__ | valdyn: "The path "/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. |
| 17:41.27 | tom__ | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your runningkernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]" |
| 17:41.27 | DonDrog | no ... i try to start with startx but wasn;t work |
| 17:41.28 | delirium | valdyn : thx very much, that's exactly what I need. I think I can figure it out from here on. thx again for your help |
| 17:41.32 | shingouz | DonDrog: do you want X on it? |
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| 17:41.35 | DonDrog | no |
| 17:41.48 | DonDrog | i things so |
| 17:41.59 | shingouz | DonDrog: what *do* you want then? |
| 17:42.08 | FieldySnuts | to confuse you |
| 17:42.13 | shingouz | i can tell |
| 17:42.14 | p30n | how do i check what kernel im running from bash |
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| 17:42.16 | p30n | fast and simple |
| 17:42.35 | shingouz | uname -a |
| 17:42.41 | tom__ | p30n: uname -r -m |
| 17:42.44 | DonDrog | i don't understand shingouz |
| 17:42.48 | valdyn | tom__: these directories are in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/include - i cant tell you why the hell vmware doesn't know this. |
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| 17:43.01 | shingouz | DonDrog: what do you want to do with the debian? |
| 17:43.07 | tom__ | valdyn: Seems vmware 5 isn't any good at all... |
| 17:43.17 | p30n | 2.4.27-1-386 has this one got RAID support? |
| 17:43.17 | DonDrog | i want to see hm ..to use him |
| 17:43.21 | DonDrog | *him |
| 17:43.25 | shingouz | it |
| 17:43.38 | DonDrog | yes :) |
| 17:43.44 | valdyn | tom__: the difficulty to get something to run doesnt tell much about how 'good' it is. |
| 17:44.01 | shingouz | DonDrog: i am not sure what is wrong then. you have a working system without X there and you want to use it. if that is the case, use it |
| 17:44.22 | tom__ | valdyn: VMWare 4.5.2 compiled fine on Woody... But VMWare 5 won't work on Sarge... gaah... |
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| 17:44.27 | kd5uzz | it seems #apache is asleep. I've got apache's mod-ssl installed (I've even got LoadModule ssl_modules /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_ssl.so in modules.conf) but I can't connect to https://blah/. I had apache-ssl installed and then I un-installed it. I don't see anything in access or error.log. Ideas? |
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| 17:45.03 | olivademar | quien hay? |
| 17:45.07 | valdyn | tom__: old vmware links against the wrong headers, that might just work perfectly fine still, but it breaks with 2.6.x for sure. |
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| 17:45.51 | tom__ | valdyn: Though I was using a 2.4.x kernel when I was using Woody... |
| 17:45.52 | asg | kd5uzz: did you configure apache to Listen on 443? Did you configure a virtual host and enable ssl for it? |
| 17:46.11 | kd5uzz | asg oh.wow..no. |
| 17:46.17 | kd5uzz | :-( |
| 17:46.56 | tom__ | valdyn: it wants C headers, which should be in the kernel sources? |
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| 17:47.05 | kd5uzz | asg thanks |
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| 17:47.18 | valdyn | tom__: didnt i tell you? /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/include |
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| 17:48.02 | valdyn | tom__: or might aswell use /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r)/include |
| 17:48.18 | tom__ | Valdyn: tried that when you said. |
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| 17:48.24 | tom__ | valdyn: No luck. |
| 17:48.55 | myren | anyone use xmove? |
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| 17:49.03 | myren | i cant get it to run to ssh |
| 17:49.31 | FieldySnuts | run to? |
| 17:49.39 | myren | xlogo display an application on |
| 17:49.52 | myren | (erm, scratch that xlogo) |
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| 17:50.13 | shingouz | myren: ssh -X box.at.your.com ? |
| 17:50.41 | myren | ssh works fine itself, but i canna get xmove to display to the localhost:xx from ssh |
| 17:50.59 | jim | myren: why? |
| 17:51.14 | kart_ | Finally, I got Sarge! 2 DVDs! |
| 17:51.20 | kart_ | hurraaay |
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| 17:51.55 | c1sco | hello |
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| 17:52.07 | c1sco | !beer everyone |
| 17:52.16 | Skaag | I have an Intel motherboard, and i can't get temperature readings (kernel 2.6.8), can someone point me to a direction? |
| 17:52.26 | c1sco | skaag acpi or apm |
| 17:52.29 | Skaag | thanks |
| 17:52.34 | jim | south! --> |
| 17:52.39 | c1sco | skaag you have to compile support in to the kernel |
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| 17:52.46 | Skaag | I think it is |
| 17:52.49 | Skaag | ACPI is active |
| 17:52.50 | c1sco | k |
| 17:52.58 | c1sco | skaag try acpi -V |
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| 17:53.16 | tom__ | Valdyn: It found it! EEE! |
| 17:53.36 | Skaag | damn, the acpi package was not installed :-) |
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| 17:53.39 | greycat | oh GREEEEAT> |
| 17:53.44 | tom__ | valdyn: the actual location is: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build/include |
| 17:53.47 | asg | greycat: ChanServ? |
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| 17:53.54 | greycat | 3 google hits on "8086:2792 linux driver" and two are X.org and one's freedesktop.org |
| 17:53.54 | c1sco | skaag apt-cache search acpi && apt-get install foo |
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| 17:54.13 | Skaag | c1sco: ok it says there's no support for device type: thermal, and there's also ac_adapter, and battery |
| 17:54.14 | kart_ | !beer kart_ for getting Sarge after long waiting! |
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| 17:54.23 | tom__ | thans valdyn! |
| 17:54.26 | Skaag | c1sco: Yah I did that |
| 17:54.27 | c1sco | skaag recompile the kernel |
| 17:54.33 | Skaag | argh |
| 17:54.37 | c1sco | yeah |
| 17:54.39 | c1sco | skaag w8 |
| 17:54.41 | asg | greycat: norbert has backported x.org to sarge if you want to go that route |
| 17:54.42 | jim | kart_: you could always have netinstalled... |
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| 17:54.52 | greycat | asg: I'm hoping not to have to do it. |
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| 17:54.53 | Skaag | i'm in menuconfig, where is it? |
| 17:55.00 | asg | greycat: I can understand |
| 17:55.07 | greycat | Skaag: in another window, type "less .config" and find it. |
| 17:55.11 | c1sco | skaag here is a g00d howto http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
| 17:55.12 | greycat | Skaag: menuconfig is HARD. |
| 17:55.16 | Skaag | c1sco: Power Management Support is enabled in the kernel config |
| 17:55.16 | overcast | hello, how can i switch to KDE in debian 3.0? it's default on gnome... |
| 17:55.18 | wolf | yo i want to shh to a local machine when i do ssh ip it tells me for a passwd i need all the passwd i know and im unable to get in |
| 17:55.33 | wolf | is saying something like something keyboard |
| 17:55.33 | Skaag | greycat: yah I know what you mean |
| 17:55.42 | asg | wolf: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 17:55.50 | wolf | asg |
| 17:55.52 | c1sco | skaage, follow the howto, when you are in make menuconfig just look around for acpi you will se it |
| 17:56.01 | wolf | i need to do that in the computer i want to shh? |
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| 17:56.04 | Skaag | ok seems like I compiled them as modules |
| 17:56.07 | Skaag | now to find the module names |
| 17:56.12 | asg | grrr, I hate meetings |
| 17:56.13 | kart_ | jim: We have very slow net here! |
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| 17:56.50 | overcast | Can someone tel me how i switch to KDE in debian3.0? it |
| 17:56.54 | wolf | oh ok |
| 17:56.55 | overcast | s default on gnome |
| 17:56.57 | wolf | thanks man |
| 17:57.01 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
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| 17:57.20 | c1sco | Hello, EnsignRedshirt |
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| 17:57.40 | c1sco | overcast is kde installed? |
| 17:57.44 | overcast | yes |
| 17:57.54 | jim | Submitted for your approval... a world... a red shirt... a hello... |
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| 17:57.56 | overcast | i can start it with kdestart (but then it loads in gnome) |
| 17:57.56 | LordWolF | another im on the terminal my x window is mess up and i dont mind |
| 17:57.58 | overcast | i just want kde... |
| 17:58.01 | Skaag | ah I found mbmon it does it without kernel dependencies!! |
| 17:58.03 | Skaag | how nice |
| 17:58.03 | p30n | why doesnt i have a /proc/mdstat, is it because my kernel isnt supporting RAID ? |
| 17:58.05 | c1sco | overcast startkde? |
| 17:58.07 | p30n | it should.. |
| 17:58.11 | LordWolF | i know theres a command to have different screen con the terminal |
| 17:58.21 | Skaag | now to figure out what this means: Temp.= 45.0, 65.0, 45.0; |
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| 17:58.24 | LordWolF | that way i can do multiple things at one time |
| 17:58.33 | overcast | startkde doesn't make gnome dissapear, when i do startx i want KDE as default... |
| 17:58.37 | c1sco | overcast do this, echo 'exec kde' > ~/.xsession and restart x |
| 17:58.44 | overcast | oki, tnx |
| 17:58.48 | c1sco | np |
| 17:58.51 | LordWolF | c1sco |
| 17:58.54 | EnsignRedshirt | If I use firefox and the "Simple" theme in gnome, it appears that the selected menu items are displayed white on white. That is, the menu item becomes a solid white bar white the cursor is over it. Is this a theme bug or a firefox bug? |
| 17:58.54 | EnsignRedshirt | s/white the/when the/ |
| 17:58.55 | c1sco | lordworlf |
| 17:59.01 | DwyaneWade | why doesn't mkbootdisk exist in Debian database? |
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| 17:59.02 | c1sco | LordWolF * |
| 17:59.02 | LordWolF | can you help me |
| 17:59.04 | c1sco | sure |
| 17:59.08 | LordWolF | thanks |
| 17:59.11 | LordWolF | i know theres a command to have different screen con the terminal |
| 17:59.18 | LordWolF | that way i can do multiple things at one time |
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| 17:59.34 | bkhl | LordWolF: it's called 'screen' |
| 17:59.38 | jim | there are multiple ways to do multiple things at the same time |
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| 17:59.52 | LordWolF | yeah i want different screens |
| 17:59.56 | c1sco | LordWolF yes, there is command called 'screen' |
| 18:00.00 | mtnman | or even multiple ways do do multiple things at multiple times. |
| 18:00.00 | LordWolF | ohhh ok |
| 18:00.12 | c1sco | LordWolF or you can also hit alt+f2 |
| 18:00.19 | mtnman | s/do\ do/to\ do/ :) |
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| 18:00.25 | LordWolF | ahh |
| 18:00.27 | LordWolF | nice |
| 18:00.36 | c1sco | alt+[f1-f7] |
| 18:00.36 | LordWolF | witch one is better |
| 18:00.37 | LordWolF | ? |
| 18:00.43 | LordWolF | ok yeah i saw |
| 18:00.44 | c1sco | LordWolF just preference |
| 18:00.46 | bkhl | LordWolF: screen has some other benefits. |
| 18:00.47 | jim | Paige! |
| 18:00.50 | kspath_ | learn screen |
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| 18:00.53 | LordWolF | ok |
| 18:01.02 | c1sco | LordWolF just do: man screen |
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| 18:01.03 | LordWolF | thanks let me read the man |
| 18:01.06 | LordWolF | thanks guys |
| 18:01.08 | c1sco | np |
| 18:01.12 | greycat | `` Now here I decided to have some fun, as the current XFree86 tree doesn't have support for the Intel 915GM display chipset, so I was stuck using the X vesa driver.'' |
| 18:01.18 | jim | Paige is the best but she overacts |
| 18:01.20 | greycat | don't ask me how in the hell he came up with "915GM" |
| 18:01.36 | c1sco | i love debian guys |
| 18:01.43 | c1sco | debian needs to take over the world |
| 18:01.57 | greycat | c1sco: what, we haven't yet? |
| 18:01.59 | kspath_ | one thing at a time |
| 18:02.19 | c1sco | greycat, lets write a massr00ter, that wipes every machine and installs debian |
| 18:02.32 | stew | gee |
| 18:02.35 | jim | oh great |
| 18:02.52 | kspath_ | better to teach a friend how nice linux and debian in particular |
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| 18:02.56 | kspath_ | is |
| 18:03.02 | kd5uzz | asg or anyone: How can I see what version of mod_ssl I've installed? I used apt-get to install it |
| 18:03.17 | stew | kd5uzz: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 18:03.33 | kd5uzz | stew thanks |
| 18:03.39 | DwyaneWade | is there any documentation on how to make a boot disk? |
| 18:03.45 | EdibleText | its easier to convert a Win user to Debian then a Red Hat fanatic |
| 18:03.57 | myren | what does the ssh X forwarding listen on? unix socket or tcp? |
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| 18:04.15 | myren | i guess localhost:10 would have to be tcp |
| 18:04.31 | c1sco | edibletext try google |
| 18:04.43 | jim | unix-domain socket would imply local |
| 18:04.51 | c1sco | EdibleText http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian%2Bboot%2Bdisk&btnG=Google+Search |
| 18:04.52 | Azar | hmm beginners at linux have their own point to be honest |
| 18:05.16 | c1sco | EdibleText sorry |
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| 18:05.34 | c1sco | s/ EdibleText / DwyaneWade |
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| 18:05.45 | c1sco | DwyaneWade look at that link |
| 18:05.52 | DwyaneWade | ok |
| 18:05.54 | EdibleText | tungue/tongue |
| 18:05.59 | c1sco | EdibleText my bad |
| 18:06.05 | c1sco | this chan moves fast* |
| 18:06.08 | Azar | if their first experience makes them feel horrible they will never try linux again |
| 18:06.11 | myren | arg, looks like its listening on unix & tcp. i've got three entries in xauth -list for :10. why cant xmove find any of them?! stupid f'ing POS |
| 18:06.38 | kspath_ | netstat might show you something myren |
| 18:06.38 | c1sco | azar linux made me feel horrible for about the first 6 months, im still here* |
| 18:06.39 | jim | myren: you tell us why |
| 18:06.45 | jim | what does it say exactly |
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| 18:06.55 | Azar | c1sco because you were strongly motivated |
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| 18:06.58 | GomoX | Hi |
| 18:07.01 | harakirinosaru | dumdedumdumdummmmmmm |
| 18:07.01 | c1sco | azar true |
| 18:07.08 | DwyaneWade | c1sco but i don't want a net install using floppy disks to boot from. I want to make a boot disk to be able to get in linux after the MBR is overwritten |
| 18:07.09 | c1sco | sup GomoX |
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| 18:07.36 | c1sco | DwyaneWade you just need to install a boot loader? |
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| 18:07.41 | myren | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication |
| 18:07.42 | GomoX | I can't get mod_python 2.7 to work on apache 1.3 in sid |
| 18:07.48 | Azar | I have to admit if there were not this channel, I might have long left Debian linux and stick with XP |
| 18:07.51 | xst | After an upgrade all gstreamer audio-app's sounds wierd - like the sound is echo'ed / played twice with about half a second apart. How do I fix this? |
| 18:08.03 | c1sco | DwyaneWade you have a live cd? boot up to knoppix and install grub, then you should be good |
| 18:08.06 | jim | myren: xauth installed on the remote? |
| 18:08.07 | GomoX | It keeps downloading my .py files, i have installed the packages, the module loads fine, still it doesn't work |
| 18:08.07 | Azar | !praise thechannel |
| 18:08.08 | DwyaneWade | practically yes, as Repair option of Win XP overwrites MBR i presume |
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| 18:08.15 | rob_lt | !doesn't work |
| 18:08.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 18:08.49 | DwyaneWade | something like red hat's mkbootdisk would be terrific but it doesn't seem to work on my debian |
| 18:08.50 | c1sco | DwyaneWade yep, you should install windows first, for a multiboot, because of your exact problem |
| 18:09.06 | GomoX | doesn't work != "it keeps downloading .py files" |
| 18:09.19 | c1sco | DwyaneWade just run knoppix, and install grub on your mbr |
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| 18:09.29 | DwyaneWade | that's what i did but now i want to reinstall win without having to reinstall linux after this. the net install lasted 6 hours last time i did it |
| 18:09.30 | myren | ssh into a machine and run (xmove -port 30 -verbose 4095 &; export DISPLAY=:30; xlogo) |
| 18:09.32 | DwyaneWade | ok |
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| 18:09.38 | jim | GomoX It keeps downloading my .py files, i have installed the packages, the module loads fine, still it ====>>> doesn't work <<<==== |
| 18:09.47 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: use a grub floppy |
| 18:09.51 | tom__ | !confuse jim |
| 18:09.51 | dpkg | No, who was our snake yesterday, jim? wellies of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 18:10.07 | GomoX | yeap, "offers .py files for download" is the description of how it doesn't work |
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| 18:10.52 | c1sco | w0w shit |
| 18:10.54 | c1sco | sorry |
| 18:10.59 | GomoX | Soooo anyway, has anyone got apache1.3/mod_python working, preferably on sid, and can offer a working config? |
| 18:11.03 | Azar | its ok c1sco |
| 18:11.08 | c1sco | my bad |
| 18:11.13 | DwyaneWade | abrotman: is this good: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Clone-HOWTO/booting.shtml ? |
| 18:11.18 | rob_lt | GomoX, how are your trying to use it, with mod_python.publisher? |
| 18:11.27 | GomoX | rob_It, no, custom handler |
| 18:11.34 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: you can install grub to a floppy |
| 18:11.49 | rob_lt | Did you add something like: |
| 18:11.52 | rob_lt | AddHandler python-program .py |
| 18:11.52 | rob_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.53 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: that's nto exactly what i meant |
| 18:11.58 | wolf | weird |
| 18:11.59 | rob_lt | or whatever |
| 18:12.05 | wolf | i dotn have the screen command |
| 18:12.13 | wolf | don't* |
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| 18:12.31 | abrotman | !installit |
| 18:12.31 | GomoX | rob_lt: long story short, im moving my site from apache 2.0 to 1.3 because mod_python is significantly different depending on apache's version and my shared hosting has 1.3 |
| 18:12.31 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 18:12.53 | GomoX | so i have AddHandler mod_python .py |
| 18:12.53 | GomoX | PythonHandler pyhandler <- my custom handler |
| 18:13.05 | c1sco | wolf apt-get install screen |
| 18:13.14 | rob_lt | GomoX, ok, that's about the extent of my mod_python knowledge, sorry I couldn't be of more help. |
| 18:13.19 | LordWolF | got it |
| 18:13.27 | Azar | I wonder if Sarge installation can be set so the user is not exposed to the net from the first day: i.e.: by default , the processes not be on the "listening" state, and a basic firewall be active by default - a howto little readmenote attached for those wanting to customize it further. Would that be possible? |
| 18:13.29 | Fleck | ban marissa - spammer!!! |
| 18:13.30 | GomoX | rob_lt: no problem, thanks |
| 18:13.37 | myren | damnit, i hate it when i read awsome newsgroup posts on exactly my problem and not only are there no replies but i'm the god damned author: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg02904.html |
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| 18:13.57 | LordWolF | thanks one last thing c1sco what i sthe command if i want to change the ip adress subnet mask and gateway? |
| 18:14.02 | myren | how is it the most useful x utility in the world is made completely usless by freakishly not working with ssh |
| 18:14.10 | cmatheson | hey guys, is there a cleaner way to do this: 'ps ax | grep <foo> | grep -v grep? |
| 18:14.11 | Nebulous | can I apt-get install harry-potter ? |
| 18:14.15 | rob_lt | !possible |
| 18:14.15 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 18:14.15 | myren | what in gods name would make xmove not be able to read the ssh xauth |
| 18:14.17 | myren | fuck! |
| 18:14.32 | abrotman | myren: i see your problem .. you're a turtle! |
| 18:14.36 | Azar | LordWolF, you can edit the /etc/network/services file |
| 18:14.44 | myren | i'll see you a turtle and raise you an incompetent jackass |
| 18:14.45 | Fleck | brb |
| 18:14.58 | c1sco | nebulous apt-cache search harry-potter first |
| 18:15.01 | Nebulous | I know unstable is... unstable, but is anyone else having a dependancy problem with libaspell15 ? |
| 18:15.03 | myren | jackass being of course another word for hare |
| 18:15.06 | abrotman | myren: you could .. but you're not going to get much help calling me names :) |
| 18:15.17 | myren | whatever, no one can help me. |
| 18:15.18 | LordWolF | thanks Azar will plauy with that a little bit |
| 18:15.23 | c1sco | Nebulous apt-cache search libaspell15 and install it |
| 18:15.24 | LordWolF | play* |
| 18:15.25 | Nebulous | the problem being that a ton of stuff depends on it (>= 0.60) but it is not installable |
| 18:15.26 | myren | at least this time around |
| 18:15.38 | abrotman | myren: you have asked #xfree86 ? |
| 18:15.42 | Azar | damn |
| 18:15.50 | abrotman | myren: only because it oculd be an X issue .. not ssh/remoteX |
| 18:15.52 | c1sco | debian owns |
| 18:15.56 | abrotman | though .. i can't imagine why |
| 18:15.58 | abrotman | c1sco: shut it |
| 18:16.00 | Nebulous | c1sco: I've never used apt-cache before, how do I install it after searching for it? |
| 18:16.01 | Azar | where is my mind: LordWolF the correct is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:16.04 | c1sco | abrotman i love you |
| 18:16.12 | abrotman | you don't know ... go away |
| 18:16.15 | Nebulous | c1sco: do I have to look in /var/... wherever the cache is? |
| 18:16.15 | myren | abrotman: its defiantely something wacky with xmove not being able to read the appropriate xauth |
| 18:16.23 | LordWolF | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:16.28 | c1sco | Nebulous the cache is your soure list |
| 18:16.32 | Skaag | ok so how come mbmon manages to get my motherboard & cpu temperatures and sensors can not? |
| 18:16.34 | abrotman | myren: can you strace it ? |
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| 18:16.39 | c1sco | Nebulous /etc/apt/ check there |
| 18:16.43 | Skaag | I take it they both use a different mechanism? |
| 18:16.57 | DiGiT79_ | anyone in here familiar with CYRUS and SASLDB ? i need a bit of help :) |
| 18:17.05 | c1sco | Nebulous apt-cache search foo && apt-get install foo |
| 18:17.08 | Nebulous | apt-cache displays a match, but apt-get install says: E: Package libaspell15 has no installation candidate |
| 18:17.28 | rbochan | Nebulous: welsome to unstable |
| 18:17.30 | c1sco | Nebulous try apt-get update && apt-get upgraade |
| 18:17.39 | c1sco | Nebulous try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 18:17.40 | Nebulous | rbochan: hehe, I know :( |
| 18:17.48 | Nebulous | i've done all that, c1sco. |
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| 18:18.02 | c1sco | k |
| 18:18.15 | Nebulous | further research reveals that libaspell15 has been replaced by libaspell15c2, but that doesn't satisfy the requirements for things that depend on libaspell15 |
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| 18:18.16 | greycat | does the vesa driver ignore custom "ModeLine"s or something? |
| 18:18.23 | abrotman | Nebulous: sid ? |
| 18:18.29 | greycat | or why can't I make this thing go at 1280x800 which is the LCD's native resolution? |
| 18:18.41 | abrotman | greycat: jesus hates you ? |
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| 18:18.49 | tom__ | greycat: did you re-configure xserver to allow that resolution? |
| 18:18.50 | greycat | I think it's Dell. |
| 18:18.55 | Nebulous | unstable, yes. :( |
| 18:19.05 | c1sco | Nebulous try sarge* |
| 18:19.05 | rbochan | greycat: too many colors? |
| 18:19.10 | greycat | tom__: I added Identifier "16:10" ModeLine "1280x800" 83.5 1280 1344 1480 1680 800 801 804 828 |
| 18:19.21 | abrotman | Nebulous: i think sid is broken today with aspell .. there is an aspell avail .. but it seems to be incompatible with a bunch of stuff |
| 18:19.22 | greycat | which is apparently some magic incantation that's well known to Google. |
| 18:19.23 | Nebulous | i need unstable to use postgresql 8.0.x |
| 18:19.34 | raf256 | !sith |
| 18:19.34 | dpkg | hmm... sith is the dark side of the sid, or what happens if you will use unstable Debian (sid) |
| 18:19.35 | abrotman | Nebulous: *need*? |
| 18:19.36 | tom__ | greycat: try this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:19.37 | EdibleText | greycat, perhaps the bitdepth is too high |
| 18:19.40 | greycat | tom__: no. |
| 18:19.47 | greycat | EdibleText: 8 bit color. |
| 18:19.54 | Nebulous | abrotman: yes, that is what it looks like. libaspell15 has been replaced by something that doesn't match the dependancies of libaspell |
| 18:19.56 | greycat | EdibleText: it says there's no mode by that name (1280x800). |
| 18:19.57 | Azar | the average time for learnint tcp/ip, networking, tcpwrapping, firewall rules and shell scripting takes approx 3 months, maybe more. For a person who first wants to try linux, say Debian , not knowing even one single command line in the first day, confiding on the linux "security" to find out he was rooted as easily as if he was running WindowsXP is a very dissapointing point. I think Debian developers could implement a basic security sett |
| 18:20.07 | abrotman | Nebulous: wait til tomorrow? :) |
| 18:20.19 | Nebulous | i've been waiting over a weekend, hehe :) |
| 18:20.24 | raf256 | Azar indeed \o/ |
| 18:20.28 | raf256 | !beer Azar |
| 18:20.29 | tom__ | greycat: So you've already tried re-configuring x? |
| 18:20.29 | Nebulous | i had to start using gvim instead of bluefish :| |
| 18:20.30 | abrotman | Nebulous: checked the bts ? |
| 18:20.30 | EdibleText | greycat, seems a little funky .. is this a widescreen lcd |
| 18:20.44 | greycat | EdibleText: it's a 1280x800 LCD according to get-edid | parse-edid |
| 18:20.54 | Nebulous | abrotman: no, i'll go look there now |
| 18:20.57 | Azar | raf256, it was just a simple request/suggestion, I am not sure anyone gives a shit about |
| 18:21.03 | raf256 | Nebulous, isnt gvim dead? try regular vim |
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| 18:21.20 | Nebulous | gvim works well enough for me, i like menus. |
| 18:21.29 | myren | abrotman: i'm diffing through the local and ssh-remoted xmove's straces now |
| 18:21.33 | abrotman | raf256: no it's not dead |
| 18:21.41 | abrotman | myren: i'm sorry :) |
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| 18:21.46 | p30n | question: im trying to make 2 disks raid-0 with mdadm, but i have existing filesystems on them, does that matter? how can i "wipe" them ? |
| 18:21.47 | raf256 | abrotman, oh, I must confused it with Kennedy |
| 18:21.53 | abrotman | apparently |
| 18:21.55 | raf256 | s//elvis |
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| 18:22.35 | Nebulous | hehe, he has the same reaction as me... |
| 18:22.35 | Nebulous | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317873 |
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| 18:22.52 | mrgenixus | is there a reason that no matter what apache module I install there's a significant configuration required before I get nay functionality? |
| 18:22.59 | stew | Azar: i'm not sure i understand what you are suggesting, what would you firewall off from the default sarge installation? |
| 18:23.10 | p30n | how do i delete a filesystem? |
| 18:23.11 | greycat | bah. all the laptop sites say they used X.Org instead. |
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| 18:23.19 | p30n | make it like "no-filesystem" |
| 18:23.26 | myren | abrotman: yeah me too. why is it that the best apps in the world never frakking work in the ways that would be most useful |
| 18:23.39 | abrotman | myren: because you didn't write them? |
| 18:23.48 | myren | yes |
| 18:23.51 | stew | greycat: incoming.debian.org :) |
| 18:23.53 | DwyaneWade | abrotman: is grub-floppy program good? |
| 18:24.02 | Nebulous | okay, g++ abi transition. I'm not really sure what that is, but it sounds big and complicated, and that it might take a while. |
| 18:24.03 | asuffield | p30n: it doesn't matter, and the closest you can manage is to write something else there, like zeros (with dd) |
| 18:24.09 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: i actually meant the floppy you can ftp from the grub site |
| 18:24.11 | greycat | stew: sarge. dear god, I wouldn't inflict unstable on one of these end users. |
| 18:24.15 | raf256 | !guismite Nebulous |
| 18:24.16 | dpkg | Adds 1212 widgets to Nebulous, and replaces nice text interface with mouse-only windoze-style GUI |
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| 18:24.25 | p30n | asuffield: can i pm u about mdadm ? |
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| 18:24.34 | asuffield | no |
| 18:24.40 | p30n | ok |
| 18:24.40 | Azar | stew, no not off just at least have the iptables chains by default on DROP mode with only www , and ftp rule in/outbound , and maybe processes not on "listen" by default |
| 18:24.43 | myren | whats the strace for examinign a directory? |
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| 18:24.47 | Azar | ... something basic |
| 18:24.51 | greycat | myren: ls? |
| 18:25.09 | raf256 | Nebulous, the PrivMsg > Invite for dinner one? |
| 18:25.12 | myren | frak, stupid SOB isnt even TRYING to open any xauth |
| 18:25.22 | rbochan | Azar: if someone knows nothing about tcp/ip and is running ftp, they get what they deserve |
| 18:25.24 | Nebulous | heh. |
| 18:25.33 | Nebulous | guis are great. |
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| 18:25.46 | Azar | rbochan, I said ftp with apt-get in mind |
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| 18:26.19 | rbochan | ahh, ok |
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| 18:26.40 | rbochan | Azar: I believe guarddog does exactly that |
| 18:26.54 | stew | Azar: were you recently rooted? |
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| 18:27.04 | rbochan | I"ve installed it a couple of times and it locks everything down |
| 18:27.04 | S0n1 | hi |
| 18:27.10 | S0n1 | php4 com with-mssql |
| 18:27.16 | S0n1 | in debian? |
| 18:27.20 | S0n1 | havee? |
| 18:27.21 | Azar | rbochan, or at least a quick howto line comment in the /sources.list file on guiding how to exclusively let the sources access the ftp in iptables would be helpful. |
| 18:27.52 | Azar | stew, like 25 days ago and since I try to learn how to firewall or / and tcpwrapping |
| 18:27.55 | Azar | not done yet |
| 18:27.56 | tom__ | s0n1: apt-get install apache && apt-get install php4 && apt-get install mysql-server |
| 18:28.11 | stew | Azar: do you know how your box was compromised? |
| 18:28.24 | Azar | stew, I have no idea, I am a noob |
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| 18:28.41 | rbochan | yet you were running services? |
| 18:28.42 | p30n | question: how can i wipe away a filesystem? like i got ext3 on a disk, i dont want it anymore |
| 18:28.45 | p30n | i want to wipe it |
| 18:28.46 | Azar | If I wuld know, by now I would have implemented all I could to protect my box |
| 18:28.47 | stew | Azar: i doubt a firewall would have prevented you from being rooted |
| 18:29.02 | stew | Azar: if you are such a noob you probably shouldn't be providing any internet services |
| 18:29.06 | GomoX | question: and what do you want |
| 18:29.08 | Nebulous | were you rooted or just a user account comprimised ? |
| 18:29.08 | jetx | Azar: use lokkit until you figure out how to do a better firewall, btw. |
| 18:29.10 | rbochan | so, a "noob" is running services, gets rooted, and plames the distro... brilliant |
| 18:29.15 | Azar | stew, the simply concept that it could be done disturbs me |
| 18:29.17 | kd5uzz | I'm running apache + mod_ssl, nocat + nocatauth + dhcpd on a P75 w/ 24MB ram. I'm not sure if this thing can handle bind9...thoughts? |
| 18:29.26 | S0n1 | tom__ : don't |
| 18:29.28 | jetx | Azar: don't run windows then |
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| 18:29.36 | Azar | rbochan, I do not blame the distro |
| 18:29.37 | S0n1 | with-mssql -> suporte a SQL windows |
| 18:29.37 | pipeline | kd5uzz: Apache is going to be more of a strain than BIND. |
| 18:29.39 | GomoX | p30n: and what is it that you do want |
| 18:29.43 | S0n1 | in my php |
| 18:29.47 | S0n1 | have???? |
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| 18:29.54 | tenka | =) |
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| 18:29.57 | Azar | jetx, I am not running X I did not even installed it |
| 18:30.08 | p30n | GomoX: i want to make 2 existing empty 200gig discs to raid-0 with mdadm |
| 18:30.12 | Nebulous | i've had a few debian machines that got comprimised. previous admin wasn't very secure, and someone figured that out |
| 18:30.13 | greycat | oh wow. not only did the X.Org server install and start up correctly, but it even picked up the 1280x800 mode from the XF86 config and *that* worked. |
| 18:30.14 | p30n | that are ext3 atm |
| 18:30.20 | kd5uzz | pipeline I was thinking about running apache from inetd |
| 18:30.32 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: yech. that sucks |
| 18:30.33 | Azar | 25 days ago: fresh install, upgrade, new 2.6.8 kernel . stop. next day >> rooted. |
| 18:30.39 | jetx | Azar: i meant if you don't like that, don't run ms windows/w2k/xp/blah.... (a joke, but serious) |
| 18:30.42 | greycat | using VESA driver... but that might be fine. as long as it works. |
| 18:30.51 | Nebulous | yeah |
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| 18:31.06 | Nebulous | i just have to look in /tmp, and I see a directory named ".. " |
| 18:31.07 | FieldySnuts | I've walked into situations where half the servers were compromised for months. and blew them all out, and all the ones that weren't (or didn't SEEM to be compromised - didn't trust them) |
| 18:31.11 | stew | Azar: you hadn't installed any services like apache or an ftp server? |
| 18:31.11 | Fleck | woow prelink rocks :)) |
| 18:31.12 | Nebulous | with some software hidden in there |
| 18:31.15 | kadigibox | what do I use to install a debian package that was just DLed? |
| 18:31.20 | myren | damn i really really need to learn how to debug in linux |
| 18:31.20 | Azar | jetx, oh. That why I intended to use Debian, it is said is more secure.. |
| 18:31.25 | greycat | Nebulous: that's the super-secret pr0n stash!!! |
| 18:31.26 | GomoX | kadigibox: man dpkg |
| 18:31.30 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: lemme guess. /tmp is not a partion, and if it is, it's not mounted noexec,nosuid,noedev |
| 18:31.31 | myren | i revert to printf() in seconds |
| 18:31.36 | FieldySnuts | partition |
| 18:31.52 | FieldySnuts | o vsm |
| 18:31.53 | rbochan | kadigibox: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 18:31.53 | greycat | myren: whatever works. |
| 18:31.56 | Azar | I am not blaming Debian, I just made a suggestion. |
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| 18:32.01 | FieldySnuts | holy balls of shittoo batman, I can't type today |
| 18:32.07 | jetx | Azar: it seems to be so. it's the enabling things that you need to make sure about. ymmv an all dat |
| 18:32.11 | stew | Azar: your suggestion doesn't seem to make any sense |
| 18:32.12 | p30n | GomoX: any help ? can i pm u about mdadm ? |
| 18:32.21 | FieldySnuts | !irritate p30n |
| 18:32.22 | dpkg | p30n: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd lol |
| 18:32.24 | Nebulous | FieldySnuts: nope, it isn't a seperate partition. |
| 18:32.31 | myren | greycat: i feel the urge to be cleaner |
| 18:32.32 | p30n | lol |
| 18:32.42 | GomoX | p30n: speak to the channel |
| 18:32.43 | Azar | jetx, I am trying to learn, just to satisfy my ego that in a future I will be able to maintain and defend the system |
| 18:32.46 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: you pry already knew, that and /var/tmp should be and be mounted noexec,nosuid,nodev |
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| 18:33.00 | FieldySnuts | !lart "admins" |
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| 18:33.09 | FieldySnuts | not actual admins, mind you, "admins" who are not |
| 18:33.20 | GomoX | p30n: i made my raid with mkraid, but i don't see any problem in having whatever it is you have on your disks |
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| 18:33.27 | Azar | stew, why do you think it does not make sense? you think only geeks are trying to use Debian? |
| 18:33.35 | GomoX | once you format your raid device, they will be wiped out anyway |
| 18:33.50 | Nebulous | i know. that's the price i paid for assuming the previous admin here kept an eye on security :P |
| 18:33.54 | Azar | mortal noobs should not even try it? |
| 18:33.54 | p30n | GomoX: ok, well some1 told me to use mdadm, and im having problem making the array |
| 18:34.07 | GomoX | p30n: i used mkraid myself |
| 18:34.11 | GomoX | p30n: sorry :( |
| 18:34.15 | rbochan | Azar: of course not, but you don't jsut get a set of car keys and start driving either |
| 18:34.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you mean MCSEs!! |
| 18:34.46 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: i've learned to assume the previous admin only calls himself one, and in fact is not. meaning every system they admin has a 80% or so chance of being already compromised, and a 90% chance of being so fucked up, it has to be reinstalled, anyway. |
| 18:34.46 | myren | how do i build an apt-get source that i download? |
| 18:34.46 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: really sucks walking into that, I feel for you |
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| 18:34.50 | rbochan | myren: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 18:34.56 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: well, I assume unless i can see for myself otherwise |
| 18:35.05 | stew | Azar: you are suggesting a firewall, but i do not see how a firewall would help. If you got rooted, it is probably through an exposed service that you installed. if you installed this service the assumption is that you do want it exposed and not firewalled |
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| 18:35.07 | Nebulous | FieldySnuts: it's not really even my job, I'm more of a programmer that also has to keep an eye on the administration stuff when it arises |
| 18:35.13 | Azar | rbochan, true, but just to give you an example: noobs are warned not to use root because it is known they might fuckup, then why not a minimal security cannot be implemented at first installation by default? |
| 18:35.15 | dak | ugh |
| 18:35.24 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: heh. I'm lookin for a job |
| 18:35.31 | FieldySnuts | </spam> |
| 18:35.35 | stew | Azar: did you have a webserver running when you got rooted? |
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| 18:35.44 | kd5uzz | asg or anyone: I'm trying to setup mod_ssl. I'm following a howto that tells me to add a virtual server entry and put the ssl options in that block of code (in httpd.conf). It mentions that I can enable ssl for the main server (thats what I want to do), I guess I put the ssl options in the 'main server' section? I ask because its not really a section..its just the whole file |
| 18:35.47 | dak | heh |
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| 18:35.58 | FieldySnuts | brb babysitting backups |
| 18:36.02 | myren | rbochan: that says nothing about building packages or source |
| 18:36.04 | rbochan | Azar: are you willing to implement a "security education class" and teach each it to and every person ? |
| 18:36.16 | Azar | stew: I have only installed woody then upgraded to sarge, after which I got a 2.6.8 ( to feel more secure) and did the security updates. Nothing else. Next day I was rooted (X-server was not installed) |
| 18:36.21 | Logi | good (looks at watch) evening |
| 18:36.30 | mtnman | myren: i have used apt-get -b source ... |
| 18:36.41 | dak | odds are you where already compermised |
| 18:36.44 | S0n1 | have php4-mssql in debian? |
| 18:36.56 | S0n1 | apt-get.org don't have |
| 18:36.57 | Azar | stew, I had nothing else configured and running but only few services. yeah telnet was running "by default" as it came with installation |
| 18:37.00 | S0n1 | i need compile? |
| 18:37.08 | stew | Azar: telnet is definately not running by default |
| 18:37.19 | rbochan | myren: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-sourcepkgs |
| 18:37.20 | Azar | stew, when I checked it out it was "listening" |
| 18:37.23 | dak | if he did a full install |
| 18:37.24 | stew | Azar: you installed it |
| 18:37.41 | Azar | stew, I de-installed it AFTER I found out it was "listening" |
| 18:37.42 | stew | Azar: neither the woody nor sarge installers install a telnetd |
| 18:37.42 | vezult | S0n1: yes. but it is called php4-sybase |
| 18:37.49 | Azar | it came with the entire upgrade |
| 18:37.53 | Logi | I've got a new laptop with debian/testing installed, but I can't get the XServer up. I've got an nvidia card and a 64-bit AMD processor. Even using the svga driver I get "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
| 18:37.54 | stew | Azar: no it didn't |
| 18:38.06 | S0n1 | php4-sybase don't |
| 18:38.08 | dak | you should check a box out and secure it atleast to remote shit before you put it on the net |
| 18:38.10 | Azar | then someone installed it remotely, not me |
| 18:38.11 | Logi | what is it trying to tell me exactly? |
| 18:38.16 | S0n1 | i see in my phpinfo |
| 18:38.21 | myren | ./debian/rules binary |
| 18:38.23 | Azar | I never ever used telnet in my life |
| 18:38.25 | kd5uzz | Logi it may mean your resolutions are messed up |
| 18:38.31 | stew | Azar: how did someone log in remotely if you didn't install any services? |
| 18:38.34 | p30n | could someone answer me how i re-read the partition tables? |
| 18:38.36 | S0n1 | --with-mssql=shared |
| 18:38.39 | Nebulous | I think it is more likely that it was installed with one of the package options in the base install |
| 18:38.42 | Logi | kd5uzz: very likely. I'v... uh... let me check my notes |
| 18:38.56 | Azar | stew, If I only know how I got rooted, Id know that too |
| 18:39.04 | dak | azar you got any logging going ? |
| 18:39.08 | Azar | .. but I will learn |
| 18:39.17 | kd5uzz | Logi it may be as simple as commenting out a few lines, and uncommenting a few others |
| 18:39.19 | dak | even sniff your self, screw it |
| 18:39.20 | Azar | dak, I have no idea how to create/read logs |
| 18:39.29 | dak | o |
| 18:39.50 | Logi | kd5uzz: The machine is supposed to support 1280x800, adding that to the front of the 24-bit resolution list (and setting DefaultDepth 24) still results in the same |
| 18:39.54 | dak | jail or snort is a good start |
| 18:39.58 | dak | check /var/log/messages |
| 18:40.03 | Azar | mtnman, that was the first thing it got wiped out: the entire /var |
| 18:40.08 | mtnman | logi: try a lesser resolution to test. |
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| 18:40.13 | kd5uzz | Logi I'd try something a little smaller first |
| 18:40.13 | Azar | I remember when I did : last, it did not work |
| 18:40.17 | tgwj | Ijoin #y-windows |
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| 18:40.23 | dak | and have shit dumped to a dead console like tty12 or some thing whatever you want |
| 18:40.31 | l4vim | when I use standard kernel my SATA works fine (with DMA) but I have no SMP.. I lost when I try use 2.6.X with my SATA+DMA, so I try to use 2.4.X for it (as my standard kernel) - I don't know why but it looks that kernel panic because it cannot use SATA compiled in modules and based on that sata... I hope you understand what I wrote ;) - any ideas ? |
| 18:40.38 | Azar | thanks mtnman, I will look there |
| 18:40.48 | kd5uzz | Logi maybe 800x600, or even 640x480 |
| 18:40.56 | Logi | kd5uzz: that's what I was doing. It barfed on my 1024x768 800x600 640x480 list |
| 18:41.04 | mtnman | azar: you're welcome |
| 18:41.40 | Ungy | Logi if it won't display 640X480 you got problems |
| 18:41.42 | kd5uzz | Logi doh. Sorry, thats all I can suggest at this point. Its been a long time since I've gotten that error :-( |
| 18:41.44 | mtnman | logi: try with only 640x480 first |
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| 18:41.48 | dak | i think syslogd.conf has a line theses days to have stuff dropped to a tty |
| 18:41.59 | Logi | mtnman: just did. Same result |
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| 18:42.15 | Logi | I'm running the vesa driver, let me just reduce the bit depth |
| 18:42.33 | mtnman | logi: i was about to suggest changing the depth |
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| 18:42.59 | justin | Logi: um, why don't you use the nvidia driver? |
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| 18:43.28 | bersark | nvidia driver is aye... |
| 18:43.30 | vezult | justin: perhaps he likes to use free software |
| 18:43.37 | Logi | justin: I was going to try something simpler first |
| 18:43.45 | Logi | vesa, 640x480, 2 bits is not working |
| 18:43.48 | bersark | so close |
| 18:43.55 | bersark | closed |
| 18:43.57 | Logi | that's supported by the original VGA with 3/4 of the memory missing |
| 18:44.01 | justin | Logi: simple would be using the driver actually made for the card |
| 18:44.18 | dak | what kind of card |
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| 18:45.09 | vezult | Logi: have you tried the standard X "nv" driver? |
| 18:45.41 | bersark | nvidia framebuffer + nv module ^^ |
| 18:45.48 | bersark | good oh |
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| 18:46.34 | Mestapheles | hey all. Does sarge have cups web-interface disabled as ubuntu hoary does? |
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| 18:46.46 | Logi | nv gives me "no device found", while nvidia complains about the kernel module being missing |
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| 18:47.01 | eye69 | Mestapheles: Not that I know of. It's restricted to localhost by default though. |
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| 18:47.13 | Mestapheles | localhost:631 |
| 18:47.17 | vezult | p30n: hdparm -z should do it |
| 18:47.26 | eye69 | Mestapheles: http://localhost:631 |
| 18:47.26 | p30n | vezult: do what ? |
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| 18:47.44 | Nebulous | 'it', of course |
| 18:47.49 | tgwj | Logi is this on a new kernel or something? |
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| 18:47.56 | Logi | ok... vga in 2-bit 640x480 works :) |
| 18:48.00 | p30n | vezult: what will that command do ? |
| 18:48.14 | vezult | p30n: reread partition tables |
| 18:48.15 | myren | ok, so the xmove problem: xmove is looking in xauth list for a "localhost" entry |
| 18:48.19 | myren | of course there IS none |
| 18:48.22 | Mestapheles | thanks. I'll install it rather than ubuntu in that case. Saves me the trouble of not installing kdeprint, gnome-cups manager or figuring out how to enable the web interface |
| 18:48.22 | Logi | tgwj: this is a kernel compiled for amd64, but running in 32-bit mode |
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| 18:49.01 | tgwj | Logi does it work with 386 or 686 kernels |
| 18:49.07 | p30n | vezult: bash: hdparm: command not found |
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| 18:49.18 | vezult | p30n: apt-get install hdparm |
| 18:49.22 | tgwj | Logi or has it worked before |
| 18:50.37 | eye69 | p30n: Get a book. ;) |
| 18:50.42 | Logi | tgwj: this is a new machine. I was just now getting X up for the first time |
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| 18:51.04 | p30n | eye69: i got one, o“reilly linux in a nutshell ;o |
| 18:51.22 | rbochan | then read it :P |
| 18:51.27 | takatumi | Mestapheles: kinda strange though ain't it? choosing a distro solely based on cups web interface. |
| 18:51.33 | p30n | ive read a bit, but i like irc more :p |
| 18:51.49 | tgwj | Logi try using a kernel for 686 - after checking weather 'nvidia' is loaded |
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| 18:52.11 | tgwj | Logi and why are u using 32 bit? |
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| 18:52.16 | Logi | tgwj: I've tried a k7 kernel and an old 2.4.something kernel with nvidia module pre-built |
| 18:52.38 | tgwj | do they work? |
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| 18:52.46 | fizban-- | hi |
| 18:53.05 | Logi | tgwj: the boot, but I've not seen X until just now with 2-bit vga |
| 18:53.30 | fizban-- | someone spanish? |
| 18:53.31 | tom__ | !confuse Logi |
| 18:53.32 | dpkg | No, how is my hamster yesterday, Logi? wellies of the republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 18:53.43 | GomoX | fizban--: #debian-es |
| 18:53.46 | p30n | eye69: i need a little help |
| 18:53.51 | fizban-- | okz thanks |
| 18:53.53 | drac | Logi: Could you post /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, maybe at pastebin.com ? |
| 18:53.54 | Logi | tgwj: I may have missed some permutation somewhere, but vesa should always work |
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| 18:54.07 | greycat | unless you want 1280x800 |
| 18:54.09 | Logi | drac: not easily. linksand gpm don't play well together |
| 18:54.16 | drac | Logi: The one with 'nvidia' in use. |
| 18:54.16 | Logi | greycat: yeah, but that would be a starting point |
| 18:54.24 | drac | Logi: Oh, maybe uploading to some www-space you have then.. :| |
| 18:54.26 | Logi | drac: actually, that one didn't boot |
| 18:54.29 | tgwj | Logi check if the module nvidia is loaded... and then try re-installing the nvidia driver with self-compiling the module maybe... |
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| 18:54.47 | websdale | Logi:have you read this: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html ? |
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| 18:55.12 | Logi | http://logi.org/tmp/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:55.33 | Logi | websdale: yes. It failed when compiling the module saying that the kernel memory model was not available in 32-bit mode |
| 18:55.46 | riddley | anyone else seeing weird behavior out of unstable's ssh packages? In ~/.ssh/known_hosts, instead of the hostname starting the line, my lines are starting with '|1|' |
| 18:55.56 | Logi | websdale: that was compiling the module for the amd64 kernel |
| 18:56.19 | Logi | the config file I posted is heavily uncustomized... |
| 18:56.42 | websdale | Logi:sorry I missed the bit where you said you were on 64 bit |
| 18:57.07 | tgwj | Logi post the nvidia version and comment out the Videoram line |
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| 18:57.33 | drac | Logi: I'd do following.. Remove VideoRAM from Section "device", it's anyway autodetected. Remove Load "int10", "speedo", "record", "vbe". And I see you have Load "ddc", so commenting out HorizSync/VerticalRefr might do also some tricks. ;) |
| 18:57.36 | tgwj | Logi and use a 32-bit kernel that sounds incompatible ... |
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| 18:57.39 | Logi | websdale: it's a64 bit processor, but I'm running in 32-bit mode |
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| 18:57.48 | Logi | websdale: left some space to install the 64 bit distro later |
| 18:57.49 | sparr_ | When I try to boot my Windows XP partition (hda1) from grub (as hd2,0 for some reason, probably a bad device map) I just get the grub shell. What could cause that? I can boot XP with the XP CD, but not with grub. |
| 18:58.33 | greycat | hd2 is probably the wrong device |
| 18:58.33 | tgwj | Logi is the nvidia driver installed for your K7 kernel? |
| 18:58.34 | takatumi | sparr_: hd2,0 is hdb1 |
| 18:58.40 | Logi | drac: will do. I just tried removing VideoRAM and thaton its own wasn't enough |
| 18:58.58 | Logi | tgwj: no... I'm trying to just get a simple mid-resolution vesa setup going so that the machine is useable |
| 18:59.14 | websdale | Logi:right.. I've never owned any 64 bit stuff - I don't know too much about it |
| 18:59.17 | Logi | I might actually have to use it for somethign before I have time tomess with the kernel versions and nvidia mess |
| 18:59.23 | sparr_ | takatumi: actually its hdc1, with a proper device map, no? |
| 18:59.27 | Logi | websdale: I've had one for all of 8 hours now |
| 18:59.35 | Logi | websdale: uh, most of 8 hours |
| 18:59.38 | tgwj | Logi OK but maybe you should use the K7 kernel ;) i don't know how compatible it is |
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| 19:00.10 | Logi | tgwj: yes, that was the first fallback I tried. I didn't get much better results. I removed it hoping that was what was confusing the module build |
| 19:00.14 | takatumi | sparr_: yeah, hdc, but you mentioned hda1 above, that would be hd0,0 |
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| 19:00.53 | sparr_ | takatumi: right, but my device map is screwed up so its hd2,0 for some reason |
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| 19:01.21 | sparr_ | takatumi: i know this because hd(anythingelse),0 tells me partition type 0x82, which is my swap partitions |
| 19:01.29 | Logi | ok, still no go. I'm downgrading to a k7 kernel. I'll go unresponsive for a couple of minutes |
| 19:02.04 | takatumi | sparr_: hmm, remember seeing a command to fix that. |
| 19:02.12 | sour | Logi, you won't be missed. |
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| 19:02.21 | Kre|S | hi everybody |
| 19:02.29 | Logi | sour: you've picked an appropriate nick |
| 19:02.34 | tgwj | Logi how did you create the X11 config? maybe you could try 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86' |
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| 19:03.00 | Kre|S | is the bottom-right box in KDE called "systray" ? |
| 19:03.08 | Logi | tgwj: I simply installed the xserver-xfree86 package and went through the config |
| 19:03.13 | tgwj | i know, stupid suggestion... |
| 19:03.23 | sour | Kre|S yes, and under run, if you type cmd, you will get a command prompt |
| 19:03.31 | Logi | tgwj: it's heavily unmodified |
| 19:03.43 | greycat | sour: but only in KDE-NT |
| 19:03.53 | Kre|S | thx sour |
| 19:04.01 | tgwj | Logi this one is also stupid, but worth a try: run xf86config ;) |
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| 19:04.10 | sour | greycat i was actually being sarcastic, didn't even know a kde-nt even existed :P |
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| 19:04.38 | sour | i either use mac, or windows as desktop, linux for everything else |
| 19:04.40 | Logi | tgwj: eek! last time I did that my system started smoking! |
| 19:04.58 | tgwj | Logi WHAAAATT??!!!! |
| 19:05.15 | Logi | tgwj: well no, but it didn't help me. That was a few years and machines ago. |
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| 19:05.41 | tgwj | a propos I could do with a new computer |
| 19:06.23 | justin | xf86config is not even worth a try, it will generate a more likely broken config than anything else |
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| 19:06.50 | Fleck | is out there some obex file browser ? |
| 19:06.50 | tgwj | last time i saw a computer REALLY smoke was when I accidently set the computer of my little brother to 110V |
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| 19:07.34 | sour | lol |
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| 19:08.00 | EdibleText | tgwj, you forgot to raise your little finger to the corner of your mouth after 'accidently' |
| 19:08.00 | sour | i've blown my share of power supplies |
| 19:08.07 | Logi | haha, the machine came up with xdm in 2-bit vga |
| 19:08.16 | tgwj | it was quite fun: computer smoking, eight-year-old brother screaming |
| 19:08.19 | Logi | I'm having a series of flash-backs here |
| 19:08.26 | Logi | tgwj: nice :) |
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| 19:08.39 | greycat | tgwj: how old were you? |
| 19:08.40 | sour | funniest one was when a lady turned on a heater in a call centre, every 3rd PC's powersupply blew |
| 19:08.45 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:08.54 | tgwj | 12/13 i think |
| 19:09.18 | justin | tgwj: 0.92? |
| 19:09.23 | justin | you were quite advanced :-P |
| 19:09.28 | tgwj | lol justin |
| 19:10.03 | tgwj | well every little kid can 'accidently' flick a switch |
| 19:10.16 | myren | i dont know whether to blame ssh or xauth, but the combined behavior of the two is absolutely PISS POOR. you end up using a $DISPLAY for which there exists no corresponding xauth entry. how ratting trashy |
| 19:10.42 | greycat | myren: uh, but it works... |
| 19:10.49 | Logi | hmm... on the 32-bit k7 kernel I get vesa 24 bit 1280x800 |
| 19:10.58 | Logi | so I'll just stick with that for the moment |
| 19:11.00 | myren | greycat: unless you have a PRORAM which needs to use xauth |
| 19:11.01 | p30n | help me out, why do i get this when im trying to make an array in mdadm |
| 19:11.01 | p30n | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdc /dev/sdd |
| 19:11.01 | p30n | mdadm: chunk size defaults to 64K |
| 19:11.01 | p30n | mdadm: ADD_NEW_DISK for /dev/sdc failed: Invalid argument |
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| 19:11.03 | Logi | that kernel that is |
| 19:11.04 | tgwj | perfect Logi |
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| 19:11.11 | justin | myren: that's not true at all |
| 19:11.13 | myren | in which case it fails like a @#$@#$ |
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| 19:11.31 | justin | there will be an xauth entry for host/unix:10 |
| 19:11.41 | tgwj | Logi now try to install the (32-bit!) nvidia driver |
| 19:11.52 | resiak | I swear that I've seen p30n kicked around 10 times... |
| 19:12.08 | p30n | resiak: twice today, my word on it |
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| 19:12.20 | myren | it would be convenient if there was a localhost:10 as well since it also listens on tcp/ip, bound to localhost |
| 19:12.30 | EdibleText | I keep parsing 'p30n' as 'pRon' |
| 19:12.30 | tgwj | Logi and what the hell is 'is' keyboard layout ? Indonesia-South ? |
| 19:12.36 | Logi | tgwj: yes. well, I'm going to install some X stuff now that I can, but yeah, nvidia is near the top of my list |
| 19:12.41 | Logi | tgwj: Icelandic :) |
| 19:12.44 | resiak | p30n: Twice _today_. |
| 19:13.06 | p30n | resiak: i dont come here that often :p and i usually dont get kicked |
| 19:13.15 | tgwj | you in icelad? |
| 19:13.30 | Logi | tgwj: I'm *in* Italy, but I'm *from* Iceland |
| 19:13.30 | greycat | lastlog kicked |
| 19:13.34 | greycat | oops. |
| 19:13.42 | tgwj | do they have internet in iceland ? |
| 19:13.58 | greycat | anyway... 66.7% of the "was kicked from #debian" in my /lastlog are p30n. |
| 19:13.58 | justin | myren: DISPLAY=localhost:10 xterm works just fine for me, probably because it uses the other xauth key |
| 19:14.15 | p30n | not true |
| 19:14.18 | p30n | ive been kicked twice |
| 19:14.24 | greycat | p30n: 2 out of 3. |
| 19:14.25 | FieldySnuts | not taking a clue, stop pasting |
| 19:14.29 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:14.35 | Logi | tgwj: yes, it runs on power generated by polar bears in a hamster wheel |
| 19:14.38 | greycat | the only other person kicked in the whole time I've been here was ralf |
| 19:14.49 | FieldySnuts | !kick me |
| 19:14.55 | resiak | Hmm, my logs disagree with me. |
| 19:14.57 | myren | justin: i'll need to see how xterm looks for xauth files. the program i'm hacking on just does an xauth list and reads the results (and fails to find localhost:10) |
| 19:15.03 | elkid | lol |
| 19:15.04 | tgwj | lol Logi they don't ship it in from norway? |
| 19:15.06 | ralf | uh? |
| 19:15.17 | ralf | i pasted 4 lines |
| 19:15.18 | justin | myren: why does the program even care what is in the xauth list? |
| 19:15.22 | FieldySnuts | one too many |
| 19:15.52 | myren | justin: its an x proxy. |
| 19:15.52 | myren | xmove |
| 19:15.54 | Logi | tgwj: the hamster wheels are often produced there in their rather underused shipyards |
| 19:16.01 | myren | and its very very silly |
| 19:16.08 | ralf | what is an X proxy? |
| 19:16.09 | justin | ah, good luck with that |
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| 19:16.23 | justin | i think 2 people total have ever managed to get xmove to work :-P |
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| 19:16.41 | myren | an x proxy is any program which both takes x prgrams in and outputs x programs to displays |
| 19:16.49 | tgwj | Logi are they tested with polar bears from iceland? imported with canadian ships of course... |
| 19:16.51 | myren | justin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg02904.html |
| 19:17.01 | myren | i'm about 1 hour from making xmove usable |
| 19:17.28 | myren | the main problem is xmove doesnt work with ssh, which makes it pretty much useless. whee, i cna shuffle my x programs between displays on this computer. |
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| 19:17.39 | justin | myren: i've gotten it to "work" before.. no problems setting up the xauth keys. it just sucks |
| 19:17.48 | Logi | tgwj: we capture beer that come in on floating icebergs |
| 19:17.50 | myren | yeah that too |
| 19:17.51 | FieldySnuts | why bother with it |
| 19:17.52 | justin | and it works just fine with ssh |
| 19:17.59 | Aapzak | any KDE users here? |
| 19:18.03 | Logi | tgwj: actually, with global warming and all, this is becomign rare and we're expecting an energy crisis |
| 19:18.05 | FieldySnuts | no, none |
| 19:18.08 | myren | i'm actually kind of tempted to just start using Xfake for everything instead |
| 19:18.16 | justin | you're probably telling it to use localhost:10 instead of just :10 |
| 19:18.28 | Aapzak | anyone running 3.4.x? |
| 19:18.39 | greycat | Aapzak: try #kde or #debian-kde |
| 19:18.49 | tgwj | Logi Yea ;) always stay nice and negative about anywhere without the holy ?uro |
| 19:18.55 | Aapzak | tnx greycat , debian-kde sounds nice |
| 19:19.12 | myren | justin: huh, i always though :10 would bind to the non-loopback ip and thus not work |
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| 19:19.17 | Logi | tgwj: German? |
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| 19:19.26 | tgwj | yup |
| 19:19.42 | justin | myren: i forget... i know I did get it to work once, just no modern applications would run |
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| 19:19.44 | pego | hi |
| 19:19.52 | myren | justin: oh. :( |
| 19:19.53 | tgwj | how did ya know? cant be in france cause they dunt like the EU or what? |
| 19:20.18 | myren | i need some way to move applications between computers. :( |
| 19:20.23 | Logi | tgwj: /whois shows your name as Thomas and you sounded like you were from a Euro-zone country. |
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| 19:20.53 | kadigibox | My CD rom says its busy but I dont know what program is useing it and I want to unmount the drive. Any ideas? |
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| 19:21.05 | greycat | kadigibox: man fuser |
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| 19:21.14 | tgwj | Logi But it should also have shown my last name 'Jollans' which sounds more french to me... |
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| 19:21.44 | Azar | kadigibox use umount command |
| 19:21.47 | Logi | tgwj: yes, I just took it as inconclusive |
| 19:21.53 | Logi | tgwj: you're from Freiburg then? :) |
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| 19:22.15 | tgwj | nah from wolfratshausen near munich |
| 19:22.22 | Logi | ah |
| 19:22.24 | kadigibox | I am useing the unmount command but something is still useing the CD drive after I killed a program |
| 19:22.29 | kadigibox | so I cannot unmount |
| 19:22.34 | Logi | I know a couple of people from that area |
| 19:22.35 | FieldySnuts | kadigibox: greycat told you. |
| 19:22.37 | myren | i'd like to be able to run nicotine on my server (which is headless) and attach the display output to my laptop on occasion |
| 19:22.38 | tgwj | Logi why Freiburg? |
| 19:22.39 | Azar | kadigibox : umount |
| 19:22.49 | myren | dont suppose anyone has bright ideas on that topic? |
| 19:23.02 | FieldySnuts | run it in a vnc session? |
| 19:23.11 | Logi | tgwj: French border |
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| 19:23.28 | Logi | tgwj: I rode a bike from Straussburg to Freiburg and I didn't notice when I crossed into Germany |
| 19:23.35 | Logi | s/bike/motorcycle/ |
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| 19:23.47 | EdibleText | myren, console on serial perhaps |
| 19:23.50 | Marble2 | Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 19:23.55 | tgwj | Logi well the name actually went over england |
| 19:23.59 | kadigibox | thanks FieldySnuts |
| 19:24.17 | EdibleText | myren, unless 'nicotine' requires a gui.. |
| 19:24.21 | myren | EdibleText: yes |
| 19:24.29 | tgwj | Logi well there is no border... |
| 19:24.31 | Logi | tgwj: ah, that makes sense... sort of |
| 19:24.42 | myren | EdibleText: as for non-console, there's this wonderful program called screen which lets you detach windows |
| 19:24.52 | myren | erm, as for console |
| 19:24.52 | Logi | tgwj: no, but whenyou cross into Italy you notice immediately how crappy everything is |
| 19:25.01 | Logi | tgwj: but the coffee gets a *lot* better |
| 19:25.23 | EdibleText | myren, I am familier with this program. Indeed, it is wonderful. |
| 19:25.35 | Logi | hmm... this is weird. Now the damned thing complains that I can't write to /tmp and dies |
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| 19:25.39 | tgwj | Logi when you cross to italy the first thing you notice is the traffic jams between austria and italy ;) |
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| 19:26.25 | Logi | tgwj: I've never crossed there. I always go over the passes - great fun on a motorcycle |
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| 19:27.10 | tgwj | Logi Yea... but the Brenner is REALLY bad (most of the time) |
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| 19:27.37 | naddar | anyone can tell me how to mount ntfs? |
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| 19:28.07 | tgwj | naddar 'mount -t ntfs [dev] [mountpoint]' |
| 19:28.10 | sour | mount -t ntfs |
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| 19:28.23 | shingouz | naddar: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 19:28.23 | EdibleText | naddar, requires kernel support |
| 19:28.33 | tgwj | naddar except if you have no ntfs support in the kernel ;) |
| 19:28.34 | shingouz | naddar: and is not writeable |
| 19:28.45 | Ronin | or at least not safely writable |
| 19:29.21 | Atula | I am thinking of buying a 256MB USB watch... I was wondering, is there a way to divide the usb watching into different partitions? I want to use DamnSmallLinux in a bootup part... and use the rest for file storage... is that realistic? |
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| 19:29.39 | tgwj | Atula seems so |
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| 19:29.46 | thewonderllama | myren, x11vnc? |
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| 19:30.02 | bykte | hello, how come 'w' gives me 2 users when i am the only person logged in? |
| 19:30.03 | FieldySnuts | Atula: yes you can do that, you can treat it like any other disk. you cannot boot off it unless the computer's bios can however |
| 19:30.07 | bykte | in there someone else? |
| 19:30.16 | tgwj | Atula but only if the partition is /dev/sda1 and not /dev/sda |
| 19:30.29 | darkskiez | whats going on with amd64-libs in i386 sid, is there somewhere I can read about this? |
| 19:30.31 | empty | bykte, your X and your shell |
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| 19:30.33 | Azar | bykte if you use two consoles, or X and console you will see yourself doubled |
| 19:30.45 | bykte | Azar, there is only one console |
| 19:30.47 | naddar | only thing i need is to mount then i cqn write my data on to dvd |
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| 19:30.49 | bykte | mine.. |
| 19:30.55 | myren | thewonderllama: can a client attach and detach? |
| 19:31.03 | Atula | tgwj: I'm confused about what you just said |
| 19:31.07 | Azar | bykte, maybe user and root? (su) ? |
| 19:31.09 | empty | bykte, running X? And you are confusing virtual console with physical console I think |
| 19:31.14 | EdibleText | bykte, ghost in the shell? |
| 19:31.20 | bykte | erm.. no |
| 19:31.24 | bykte | i didnt su |
| 19:31.30 | bykte | i close teh console..and relogin.. |
| 19:31.34 | bykte | but it gives me 2 user |
| 19:31.39 | Azar | bykte then what is the IP address of the "other" one? |
| 19:31.39 | Atula | tgwj: dev/sda is a nonpartition USB drive where /dev/sda1 is already partitioned? |
| 19:31.43 | empty | bykte, are you running x windows? |
| 19:31.47 | bykte | empty, no |
| 19:31.49 | bykte | no x windows |
| 19:31.52 | bykte | pure ssh shell |
| 19:32.02 | bykte | Azar, i dont know the other user |
| 19:32.08 | tgwj | Atula There are two type of removable disks: some 'floppy-like' ones do not have partitions, that is you mount sda and not sda1 |
| 19:32.13 | Azar | bykte there is info besides the second user |
| 19:32.16 | bykte | ool-4571667d:~# w |
| 19:32.16 | bykte | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.16 | bykte | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 19:32.16 | bykte | root pts/0 cm212.omega55.ma 15:28 0.00s 0.02s 0.00s w |
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| 19:32.25 | bykte | there..only that... |
| 19:32.30 | tgwj | Atula the others are like hard disks |
| 19:32.40 | bykte | there is no IP.. |
| 19:32.45 | Azar | then whois that cm212.omega.55.ma |
| 19:32.58 | EdibleText | thats probably bykte |
| 19:32.58 | bykte | that's me |
| 19:33.09 | Azar | bykte then it is only you doubled |
| 19:33.14 | thewonderllama | myren: if you run it with -forever, yes |
| 19:33.21 | tgwj | Atula most are partitionable, that is you mount /dev/sda1 |
| 19:33.22 | bykte | doubled? but cant be right? |
| 19:33.27 | Atula | tgwj: how would I format my usb watch and make it so that I can boot up and stuff? |
| 19:33.30 | EdibleText | bykte, yiy git kicked before we saw the mystery user |
| 19:33.38 | EdibleText | you got |
| 19:33.39 | bykte | EdibleText, none |
| 19:33.48 | Marble2 | Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 19:33.50 | bykte | root pts/0 cm212.omega55.ma 15:28 0.00s 0.02s 0.00s w |
| 19:33.50 | bykte | ool-4571667d:~# |
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| 19:33.52 | bykte | there.. |
| 19:33.55 | Azar | bykte, the first one is root the second one, is... user or root as well? |
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| 19:33.59 | Atula | !usb |
| 19:33.59 | dpkg | it has been said that usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 19:34.09 | tgwj | Atula I don't know about booting up, but first you need to partition it, with qtparted for example |
| 19:34.11 | bykte | Azar there is no 2nd connection. |
| 19:34.27 | Azar | bykte then it is you |
| 19:34.33 | EdibleText | !confuse me |
| 19:34.33 | dpkg | No, them are your pineapple yesterday, edibletext? trousers of the monarchy of tibet with extra cheese |
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| 19:34.38 | kazim | hi |
| 19:34.42 | bykte | what possible can cause a double user? |
| 19:34.44 | bykte | for days |
| 19:34.46 | Azar | do "last" to see more |
| 19:34.50 | greycat | bykte: a logged in user, for one. |
| 19:35.03 | greycat | how about you actually give us some *details*? |
| 19:35.03 | myren | thewonderllama: with -forever, can i reattach a client latter? |
| 19:35.07 | naddar | shingouz: i get that error |
| 19:35.08 | kazim | still no easy solution to install a debian on soft raid disk ? |
| 19:35.15 | hellz | hi, i am wondering if there's a tool in linux that could show the hops from one node to another, for example, i am connected to a hub and then to a switch, how do i know if there's a hub in between |
| 19:35.18 | shingouz | naddar: wtf? did i tell you it is ok for you to msg me? |
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| 19:35.24 | EdibleText | hellz, mtr |
| 19:35.26 | Atula | tgwj: thanks a lot. I will research more into it. |
| 19:35.35 | hellz | mtr? |
| 19:35.37 | thewonderllama | myren: i believe so, check http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ for more info |
| 19:35.38 | tgwj | Atula ur welcome |
| 19:35.50 | EdibleText | !mtr |
| 19:35.50 | dpkg | it has been said that mtr is a Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool |
| 19:35.59 | naddar | sorry just dont past it in here so i gues it would be ok diddent know you dont like that |
| 19:36.02 | itom | there is some problems with gnome in debian testing |
| 19:36.06 | bykte | is that possibilty that it's been hacked? |
| 19:36.12 | shingouz | !tall naddar about msg |
| 19:36.15 | shingouz | !tall naddar about paster |
| 19:36.24 | greycat | bykte: without details, how would we know? |
| 19:36.24 | myren | gawd damn i'm lagging today |
| 19:36.27 | Azar | bykte, no if it is showing only your IP address, it is you nobody else |
| 19:36.36 | bykte | maybe they replace it with a trojaned file? |
| 19:36.46 | Azar | bykte maybe you have another terminal open from past days and forgot to logg off |
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| 19:36.51 | EdibleText | bykte, we are forced to conclude that you have been r00ted |
| 19:36.59 | bykte | Azar, no |
| 19:37.10 | bykte | even if that happens |
| 19:37.13 | bykte | the thing will disappear |
| 19:37.21 | Azar | hmm |
| 19:37.27 | Azar | I have no idea what you got on that screen man |
| 19:37.35 | Azar | you only showed one connection |
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| 19:38.03 | js_ | i get a lot of "martian source 192.168.1.1 from 192.168.6.1, on dev eth1" in dmesg... i have no computer with ip 192.168.6.1 in my lan.. any idea what it can be about? |
| 19:38.24 | ignacio_ | ubuntu-es |
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| 19:38.50 | bykte | wait hold on |
| 19:38.53 | bykte | i upload scren |
| 19:38.58 | ignacio_ | ubuntu-es |
| 19:38.59 | Azar | ok |
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| 19:39.14 | js_ | ignacio_: /j ubuntu-es |
| 19:39.16 | Azar | no hay unbutu-es aqui, este solo es para debian |
| 19:39.18 | bykte | http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/964/ghost3eu.jpg |
| 19:39.19 | bykte | there |
| 19:39.27 | bykte | anything else you need? |
| 19:39.30 | myren | Azar: #debian-es |
| 19:39.45 | EdibleText | js_, sometimes providers use the rfc1918 blocks for the internalstuff. sometimes is misconfgured and you can ping the hosts (usually routers) |
| 19:39.46 | ignacio_ | no |
| 19:39.55 | ignacio_ | mi linux es ubuntu |
| 19:40.03 | ignacio_ | wuirto er servidor espaƱol |
| 19:40.11 | Azar | bykte, there is only one active user shown |
| 19:40.14 | js_ | EdibleText: i see, weird |
| 19:40.18 | Azar | how many users did you created? |
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| 19:40.27 | bykte | a few |
| 19:40.33 | bykte | but they are not conected at the momnet |
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| 19:40.37 | bykte | cos if they are it will show up |
| 19:40.43 | bykte | as 2 users with 2 diff ip |
| 19:40.56 | Azar | right now it is only you active |
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| 19:41.12 | Azar | do a : last command and upload the screen |
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| 19:41.15 | bykte | ok |
| 19:41.31 | greycat | ignacio_: /j #ubuntu |
| 19:41.51 | greycat | or #ubuntu-es |
| 19:42.03 | simonrvn | wtf, the mobo isn't supported anymore, so they charge 60$ ?! |
| 19:42.04 | greycat | hmm, they use UTF-8 in their /topic |
| 19:42.05 | Azar | ignacio escribe esto : /j #unbutu |
| 19:42.10 | ignacio_ | grscisd |
| 19:42.12 | bykte | http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/825/ghost7oo.jpg |
| 19:42.12 | simonrvn | fucking highway robbery |
| 19:42.13 | bykte | there |
| 19:42.16 | ignacio_ | grscias |
| 19:42.18 | ignacio_ | ya estoy |
| 19:42.19 | bykte | last doesnt prove anything |
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| 19:42.28 | bykte | or explain why there are 2 users when 'w' is issued |
| 19:42.36 | simonrvn | 2 login shells |
| 19:42.40 | shingouz | Azar: #ubuntu, not #unbutu |
| 19:42.42 | shingouz | ;) |
| 19:42.52 | bykte | simonrvn, i only have 1 running |
| 19:43.09 | Azar | oh sorry |
| 19:43.15 | simonrvn | 2 login shells. 2 terms open, with login shells in them |
| 19:43.17 | ufoalien | tarzeau: ubuntu ist scheisse lol ;) |
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| 19:43.30 | rbochan | bykte: using X? |
| 19:43.35 | bykte | rbochan, nope |
| 19:43.38 | bykte | not using x |
| 19:43.41 | Azar | ignacio_ mi error esto era /j #ubuntu |
| 19:43.58 | ignacio_ | azar pero no es espaƱol |
| 19:44.01 | Logi | haha! my nvidia compile completed now |
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| 19:44.05 | bykte | so anyway of getting to the problemo of 2? |
| 19:44.05 | Azar | ufoalien: niemand ist geek |
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| 19:44.17 | ufoalien | Azar: _D |
| 19:44.20 | Logi | hvaša helvķtis babl er žetta ķ ykkur? |
| 19:44.25 | ufoalien | huch |
| 19:44.30 | Azar | ignacio /j #ubuntu_es |
| 19:44.37 | Azar | es esta para espanol |
| 19:44.50 | greycat | -es not _es |
| 19:44.50 | tgwj | !kill Bill Gates |
| 19:45.12 | bykte | sigh.nvm forget it |
| 19:45.17 | shingouz | Logi: nice one. icelandic? |
| 19:45.33 | justin | bykte: do you always take screenshots of plain text? |
| 19:45.35 | Azar | bykte, learn to read that last screen |
| 19:45.36 | Ungy | when bill gates dies there might no longer be hungry people in the world |
| 19:45.45 | Azar | it gives you info on who, when was there |
| 19:45.52 | bykte | justin what you mean? |
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| 19:45.59 | Ungy | he is giving more then 50% of all his fortune to charity upon death |
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| 19:46.16 | bykte | yes yes Ungy |
| 19:46.20 | bykte | i will be queueing up for his $ |
| 19:46.33 | tarzeau | please. someone give me patience! |
| 19:46.44 | tgwj | !murder Bill Gates |
| 19:46.48 | tarzeau | what can i take, to get sleepy? |
| 19:46.55 | bykte | !destroy Bill Gates |
| 19:46.56 | shingouz | a coffee? |
| 19:46.58 | justin | tarzeau: apt-get install xpat2 ? :-P |
| 19:47.01 | Ungy | tarzeeau patience like sunday driver patience where you piss everyone off by not goign patience? |
| 19:47.05 | bykte | !burn Bill Gates |
| 19:47.17 | tgwj | tarzeau cat /dev/pillow |
| 19:47.18 | bykte | !chop Bill Gates |
| 19:47.27 | Ungy | tarzeau if you were breast fed warm milk sometimes works |
| 19:47.28 | hellz | EdibleText: i am not getting the data as intended |
| 19:47.29 | bykte | !rape Bill Gates |
| 19:47.42 | shingouz | bykte: ok ok ok .. we get the point |
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| 19:47.48 | Ungy | !beer Bill Gates |
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| 19:48.05 | bykte | ok does iroffer with the -u <user> counts as an additional user? |
| 19:48.06 | tgwj | !fuck Bill Gates |
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| 19:48.23 | bykte | hence the 2 users? |
| 19:48.33 | shingouz | bykte: could very well be |
| 19:48.41 | tarzeau | justin: cracks me up! |
| 19:48.43 | bykte | oh i see |
| 19:48.48 | tarzeau | justin: you apt-cache searched for patience. LOL |
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| 19:48.50 | bykte | then ok off to bed.. |
| 19:48.56 | bykte | bye |
| 19:48.57 | Ungy | tarzeau, you could also try whacking off til your oo tired to move just remeber to use lube or you will be hurting tommorow |
| 19:49.01 | shingouz | bykte: shame on you, man. war3z d00d :p |
| 19:49.06 | bykte | erm shingouz no |
| 19:49.08 | justin | tarzeau: yep :-P i thought there was an actual 'patience' package but I guess not |
| 19:49.10 | bykte | dont get wrong idea |
| 19:49.16 | tarzeau | Ungy: awwww. where do you get me the woman from? can i choose how she looks? |
| 19:49.18 | shingouz | hehe |
| 19:49.25 | bykte | only jav porn that's all |
| 19:49.30 | tgwj | !serve coffee |
| 19:49.38 | Ungy | tarzeau, use your hand that way your gaurenteed to get off |
| 19:49.39 | bykte | !serve tea |
| 19:49.45 | shingouz | bykte: that is another matter of course :) |
| 19:49.51 | bykte | !serve !serve |
| 19:50.00 | Ungy | tarzeau, if you need some visual stimulation try www.thehun.net |
| 19:50.02 | bykte | !serve !serve !serve |
| 19:50.06 | Logi | !serve Man |
| 19:50.09 | bykte | oh man no bugs..damn |
| 19:50.13 | greycat | stop it. |
| 19:50.14 | bykte | no recursion |
| 19:50.17 | bykte | ok ok |
| 19:50.27 | tgwj | !screw up |
| 19:50.27 | dpkg | screw up is, like, the best way to learn GNU/Linux |
| 19:50.33 | Anders | lol |
| 19:50.38 | bykte | !screw down |
| 19:50.46 | Ungy | damn I must be a linux guru by now |
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| 19:51.01 | Ungy | all I do is screw up |
| 19:51.01 | Anders | lol |
| 19:51.15 | tgwj | !laugh at bykte |
| 19:51.16 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! bykte just cracks me up! |
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| 19:51.32 | Ungy | !time |
| 19:51.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Tue Jul 12 19:51:32 2005 |
| 19:51.41 | tgwj | !kill Bill Gates |
| 19:51.44 | iostream | Hi. Running a debian stock kernel 386, how much performance penalty does that impose, versus running a natively compiled kernel? |
| 19:51.48 | drac | Stop abusing dpkg. :( |
| 19:51.58 | tgwj | !abuse dpkg |
| 19:52.05 | tgwj | lol |
| 19:52.06 | Ungy | !abuse drac |
| 19:52.08 | rbochan | iostream: plenty if you're running a ppc machine ;) |
| 19:52.16 | iostream | rbochan: It's and AMD. |
| 19:52.18 | tgwj | !go to bed |
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| 19:52.24 | shingouz | tgwj: please stop already. /msg dpk if you really need to play with the bot |
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| 19:52.31 | Anders | ty |
| 19:52.37 | drac | greycat: Thanks. |
| 19:52.50 | iostream | rbochan: Its an AMD Athlon XP 2000+, running kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 19:52.57 | rbochan | iostream: you can install a more aproproiate kernel that lives next to your current one and choose which it boot into, then you cann judge for yourself |
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| 19:53.31 | iostream | rbochan: Okay, so this could be a serious performance problem? |
| 19:53.39 | drac | iostream: You can install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 to get it optimized for your CPU. |
| 19:53.50 | rbochan | unlikely, but you might see some improvements here and there |
| 19:54.04 | iostream | drac: okay, I was aware of that, just trying to get an idea of the performance loss. |
| 19:54.09 | greycat | iostream: I doubt "serious" would be the right word. |
| 19:54.13 | iostream | rbochan: Though so. |
| 19:54.29 | iostream | Hmm.. I mean like load rising from ~1 to ~2. |
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| 19:55.18 | shingouz | Ungy: why the hell would you dist-upgrade it in the first place? |
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| 19:55.38 | echnaton | hi is there a howto for compiling a kernel in debian? |
| 19:55.44 | Ungy | shingouz, I am a glutton for punishment |
| 19:55.45 | greycat | echnaton: /msg dpkg pk |
| 19:55.47 | greycat | bah. |
| 19:55.48 | shingouz | !tell echnaton anout kp |
| 19:55.49 | greycat | echnaton: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:56.05 | shingouz | Ungy: i hope you have checked the sid faq already |
| 19:56.13 | Logi | and....nvidia up and running |
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| 19:56.37 | greycat | it doesn't change often enough that you'd really "check" it. |
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| 19:57.00 | Virtual | how do I remove grub ? |
| 19:57.38 | Vegar | can I force apt to install the latest version of a package that is in the repository, even if the one currenty installed is newer? |
| 19:57.45 | Ungy | shingouz I see nothign new there |
| 19:57.50 | iostream | On a similiar note, does the default debian kernel images ship with pre-emptive multitasking enabled? |
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| 19:58.06 | greycat | Vegar: possibly, but why not just download it and dpkg -i? |
| 19:58.26 | shingouz | Ungy: so you have looked at it. not all do as you probably know ;) |
| 19:58.42 | R_engel | Samba in Debian sux ? |
| 19:58.54 | shingouz | R_engel: no it does not |
| 19:58.56 | Vegar | greycat: because it's at least 400 packages, and I don't know their names |
| 19:59.22 | Ungy | hey I am not complainign about breaking anythign but a friend of mine dist upgraded to get the help back packages and said everythign was fine on his system but I am not goign to risk it |
| 19:59.23 | greycat | what the fuck. |
| 19:59.31 | greycat | YOU CAN'T DIST-DOWNGRADE |
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| 19:59.40 | greycat | whatever the fuck you are trying to do, you can't do it. |
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| 20:00.08 | EdibleText | doen someone have the md5sum of debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso . Im suprised its not on on the d-i page |
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| 20:00.24 | Ungy | apt-get dist-downgrade sweet maybe someone shoudl build that in |
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| 20:00.52 | shingouz | Ungy: not really, dpkg knows already about pal |
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| 20:01.39 | Ungy | R_engel what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:03.48 | echnaton | i love dpkg |
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| 20:03.58 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
| 20:04.04 | Logi | I love parma ham and melon |
| 20:04.17 | echnaton | I love a german beer |
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| 20:04.33 | Kven | Is there a way to see which pci access mode is used? |
| 20:04.46 | Logi | my two favourite beers are Dutch and Chech |
| 20:04.52 | iostream | What does the PR col. indicate in "top" ? |
| 20:05.08 | Logi | iostream: priority |
| 20:05.20 | Logi | iostream: which depends on the nice value of the process and it's runtime characteristics |
| 20:05.21 | iostream | Logi: What is that opposed to nice -level |
| 20:05.25 | Harley^ | Is there somewhere in the /proc directory in Debian to tell what motherboard I have ? When I start up the system the motherboard model flashes quickly on the screen. |
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| 20:05.41 | KodeK | Hey peeps, good afternoon. |
| 20:05.42 | Logi | iostream: nice level is constant, priority changes over time |
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| 20:06.20 | Ungy | R_engel, so rather then tellng me why it sucks you just say it sucks had to make that trolll comment or what? |
| 20:06.20 | iostream | Logi: Okay, so what if I have some task I want to have precedence ? |
| 20:06.22 | Logi | damn, this new Turion machine just rips through installing deb files |
| 20:06.31 | KodeK | What's all this about debian's security I read on slashdot? I'm going to reinstall Debian, and I don't know which branch has the problems they describe in there. |
| 20:06.35 | Logi | iostream: then you reduce itsnice level which will affect its priority |
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| 20:06.44 | shingouz | Harley^: not that i know of. how about cracking the box open and take a look-see? |
| 20:06.45 | iostream | Logi: Okay. |
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| 20:07.09 | iostream | Logi: Priority ranges from what to what? Where the lowest is the "highest priority" right? |
| 20:07.29 | greycat | iostream: man nice |
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| 20:07.40 | Logi | iostream: don't know :) |
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| 20:07.55 | Logi | iostream: yeah, it's time for man (or pinfo) nice or top |
| 20:08.04 | iostream | greycat: I undertand "nice", but I was wondering about the priority tag... But is that also in man nice? |
| 20:08.17 | Harley^ | shingourz - Well, I have the general number from the physical motherboad Its an older EPox MEP-MVP3G-m but on the EPOX site they want specific models. |
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| 20:08.25 | greycat | iostream: you could FUCKING LOOK. |
| 20:08.55 | iostream | greycat: I have looked, and it doesn't say anything about priority in my manual.. |
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| 20:09.20 | iostream | greycat: That's why I asked about if it was documented in some never manual or whatever.. |
| 20:09.33 | greycat | ``With no COMMAND print the current scheduling priority. ADJUST is ___ by default. Range goes from ____ (highest priority) to ___ (lowest).'' |
| 20:09.40 | KodeK | So, anyone? What's up with the security? |
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| 20:09.49 | greycat | no, I won't give you the answer. YOU WILL LOOK FOR YOURSELF. |
| 20:09.51 | Gnea | heh. |
| 20:10.00 | greycat | KodeK: about what? |
| 20:10.16 | KodeK | greycat, i read in slashdot that debian is having problems with security updates? |
| 20:10.23 | iostream | greycat: Okay, sorry i offended you. |
| 20:10.26 | greycat | don't believe anything /. says |
| 20:10.30 | KodeK | greycat, and I'm about to set up a debian server. |
| 20:10.31 | Gnea | KodeK: you believe everything on /.? |
| 20:10.40 | KodeK | Gnea, yes. |
| 20:10.48 | greycat | see the most recent "bits from the debian project leader" |
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| 20:10.53 | greycat | Branden explained it |
| 20:11.09 | to_ | hi, when i installed my debian few month ago, i choose the option 'graphics environments'..therefore i had gnome and kde on my machine..but now i've choosen to use fluxbox as window manager and i would like to unsinstall gnome and all its dependancies..but i don't know how to do that because even if i uninstall the package gnome all dependancies are still here..could you give me an advise, please(sorry for my english ;)? |
| 20:11.13 | echnaton | iam to stupid for debian + kernel compiling |
| 20:11.21 | echnaton | are there any packages? |
| 20:11.26 | echnaton | *.deb ? |
| 20:11.27 | Ungy | can I change kde's default for mail client and browser? I can;t seem to figure it out |
| 20:11.29 | KodeK | greycat, so another question. Is it safe to use testing for a server? I'll be playing around with it and testing different things, but I want a stable web and mail server. |
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| 20:11.34 | zulkifar | Hi. I'm trying to boot laptop from debian floppies (boot & root) but after system is loaded I see no /dev/hd* entries in /dev and hdd is not accessible. May such devices be called differently or I just have no driver for hdd? |
| 20:11.37 | Krause | echnaton, use apt-cache search |
| 20:11.45 | greycat | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00002.html |
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| 20:11.55 | echnaton | Krause, i get to many results^^ |
| 20:12.02 | shai_ | say, is the first ISO enough for installing Debian? |
| 20:12.05 | greycat | KodeK: use stable for a web server |
| 20:12.14 | Ungy | echnaton, apt-cache search kernel-image <version> |
| 20:12.19 | shai_ | I'd like a full operating system before I start installing packages |
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| 20:12.21 | Krause | echnaton, pipe through to grep and find what you're looking for.. |
| 20:12.26 | echnaton | sorry |
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| 20:12.37 | Krause | ehrr, yeah, that's a possiblity too :P |
| 20:12.43 | KodeK | greycat, web server, mail server AND being able to test software? |
| 20:12.56 | Ungy | shai yes but you can get the net installer works better iso 1 may not have all the packages yoru looking for but it does have the base system |
| 20:12.59 | greycat | you don't "test software" on a production server |
| 20:13.01 | rbochan | echnaton: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/kernel-pkg/index-kernel-pkg.html |
| 20:13.07 | KodeK | greycat, I just remember how woody had packages that were very outdated. Is it still kind of like that? |
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| 20:13.18 | greycat | KodeK: packages.debian.org |
| 20:13.23 | Hiruko | Hi, I just compiled my kernel, how do i make the initrd image for it? |
| 20:13.36 | Hiruko | I've read around, but I don't exactly understand it |
| 20:13.37 | KodeK | greycat, well, overall, are the packages updated? |
| 20:13.38 | Hiruko | I'm new to this |
| 20:13.44 | shai_ | Ungy, I'm sorry for being rude but your phrazing is a bit off... could you repeat that please? |
| 20:13.52 | m13a8 | ok i installed libusb and gnomad2 so i could sync my dj with debian, but when i plug in my dj and open up gnomad2, in gnomad it says that that it cant open dj and in the command line it says usb_set_configuration: Operation not permitted |
| 20:13.55 | m13a8 | how to i fix that? |
| 20:13.59 | csdgp | KodeK: Yes, the packages are up-to-date |
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| 20:14.19 | KodeK | csdgp, so I will use stable, then :) thank you. |
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| 20:14.22 | KodeK | greycat, thank you too. |
| 20:14.23 | echnaton | thx |
| 20:14.34 | Kven | Would ps/2 mouse without legacy /dev/psaux device? |
| 20:14.38 | Kven | work even |
| 20:14.40 | Logi | grrr.. |
| 20:14.52 | Gnea | KodeK: you are a fool. |
| 20:14.56 | greycat | "legacy /dev/psaux"? |
| 20:15.11 | Kven | INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX |
| 20:15.24 | Hiruko | Do i use - make-kpkg --initrd -kernel-image-2.4.27 etc |
| 20:15.35 | Hiruko | Don't tell me to update to the 2.6, i have a reason for this ^_^ |
| 20:15.36 | Kven | Under device drivers, input device support |
| 20:15.48 | d3s | how can I make sure that I ran Debian unstable version on my box? I did several alteration on /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.lists. I just want to make sure that my box is debian 'something' release and will be smoothly update/upgrade. |
| 20:16.11 | shai_ | Well, does the first ISO include all of the package menagement tools? |
| 20:16.13 | rbochan | d3s: unstable will rarely update/upgrade smoothly |
| 20:16.15 | Ungy | shai yes the first ISO will install the base operating system. however so will the net install disk. you can then choose the packages you want and download them on demand. However if you already have a set list of things you want installed before goign online, you will have to determine what packages are not included in the first ISo and get the disks required or download the .deb's on a seperate cd and then manually install them by useing dpkg -1 |
| 20:16.15 | Ungy | "path to file" |
| 20:16.17 | greycat | Kven: uh, why would you ASK something like that? Are you doing something fucktarded like building a custom kernel and omitting a driver for a device you ACTUALLY USE? |
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| 20:16.28 | resiak | d3s: You really _shouldn't_ be, if you have to ask that. |
| 20:16.39 | greycat | Hiruko: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:16.48 | Logi | now, when I start X/kde, I get a complaint from XSession that it can't write to /tmp and then dies |
| 20:16.59 | Logi | but I *can* write to /tmp |
| 20:17.01 | Kven | The first |
| 20:17.04 | d3s | rbochan: resiak: you right... I don't know the state of mine |
| 20:17.11 | m13a8 | i have gnomad2 and libusb downloaded but it wont let me open my dj how do i fix that |
| 20:17.27 | resiak | d3s: For your own sake, run Sarge or Etch. |
| 20:17.51 | shai_ | Ungy, I don't have to go online fully operational, I just want a complete based system, including menagement and package tools, and a full X server. |
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| 20:17.57 | shai_ | will the first CD suffice for that? |
| 20:18.00 | d3s | resiak: sarge? you mean the stable version?... what is Etch? |
| 20:18.05 | KodeK | netinst or businesscard? |
| 20:18.10 | rbochan | d3s: Once you're at the point of using the unstable branch, you're already aware of, and have read, the majority of the documentation available to you, and would know enough about Debian and how to use apt well enough to upgrade your distro and wouldn't have to ask someone how to do it. |
| 20:18.13 | EdibleText | !etch |
| 20:18.14 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 20:18.21 | rbochan | d3s: If you haven't, then you're unprepared for using the unstable branch and _will not_ enjoy the experience. When you're ready, it'll seem as natural as walking instead of crawling. |
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| 20:18.39 | d3s | rbochan: etch.. yes.. the next release |
| 20:18.59 | Ungy | shai_ go look at the contents of each ISO and if you want a complete x-system I dunno what complete means |
| 20:19.01 | MobyTurbo | rbochan: I'm not sure if that analogy holds up - someone would have to be crazy to want to migrate to Sid just now unless they're already running it. |
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| 20:19.23 | rbochan | MobyTurbo: that's the point exactly |
| 20:19.33 | shai_ | Ungy, I would, but I can't, for the same reason I don't want a net install. My connection is skewy and won't loaad most http sites. |
| 20:20.00 | Ungy | shai then how the hell are you goign to download an ISO? |
| 20:20.03 | [1Lc]r00t | Is there a channel on this network that someone might be able to help with a linux cs server? |
| 20:20.18 | m13a8 | how do i get my dell DJ to sync with debian when i have libusb and gnomad 2 downloaded |
| 20:20.28 | [1Lc]r00t | Tryin to get linux help on other servers is a joke >.< |
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| 20:20.31 | Ungy | [1Lc]r00t, Counterstrike? |
| 20:20.32 | shai_ | Ungy, my brother is downloading it for me from work |
| 20:20.36 | setuid | Someone broke http.debian.us ;( |
| 20:20.39 | setuid | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/../project/experimental/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 20:20.41 | [1Lc]r00t | yes sorry counter strike |
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| 20:21.02 | shingouz | setuid: did you read the /topic? |
| 20:21.03 | greycat | setuid: experimental not working? oh, the horror. |
| 20:21.09 | setuid | xorg seemed to work, but font-rendering is all kinds of broken |
| 20:21.09 | d3s | rbochan: now, how can I put it back from testing/unstable to stable/sarge? |
| 20:21.15 | setuid | shingouz: Yep |
| 20:21.20 | shingouz | oh. us. not -no-us. i need caffeine |
| 20:21.24 | m13a8 | how do i get my DJ to sync under debian with libusb and gnomad2 |
| 20:21.33 | Ungy | shai_ ahh well I am not posotive abotu this but the most commonly used programs are included on ISO 1 |
| 20:21.34 | resiak | !tell m13a8 -about repeat |
| 20:21.39 | shingouz | non-us even. i *seriously* need caffeine |
| 20:21.53 | KodeK | [1Lc]r00t, have you tried the SteamPowered Forums? (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/) |
| 20:21.54 | rbochan | d3s: is you've already run dist-upgrade, I supppose it would be possible, but not easily... me? I'd just reinstall |
| 20:21.58 | EdibleText | !coffee shingouz |
| 20:21.58 | Ungy | shai_, including the base system |
| 20:21.58 | RichK | Might I suggest some PimpJuice, shingouz? |
| 20:22.04 | shingouz | d3s: basically you cannot |
| 20:22.18 | m13a8 | :| i woudln't have to repeat if someone would show atleast some sign of either helping or not knowing |
| 20:22.21 | shingouz | ...i was thinking about tea... |
| 20:22.23 | setuid | ugh |
| 20:22.24 | setuid | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/xfree86-common_6.8.2.dfsg.1-1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 20:22.25 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 20:22.26 | [1Lc]r00t | I'm just tryin to find where the helps files or readme's got placed...I'm not the installer of the program |
| 20:22.27 | setuid | grumble |
| 20:22.29 | Ungy | [1Lc]r00t, what kind of problems are you having? there are a lot of tutorials online |
| 20:22.35 | iostream | setuid: apt-get update |
| 20:22.37 | gentgeen__ | Anyone know of a way to have aspell/ispell accept a ' at the beginning of a word (such as 'tis) |
| 20:22.42 | setuid | iostream: Nope, doesn't fix it. |
| 20:22.48 | shai_ | Ungy, and does the term "base system" include package menagement tools? |
| 20:22.53 | RichK | 1Lc: dpkg -L program |
| 20:22.54 | d3s | shingouz: cannot? I thought all I need to do is to hack the /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:22.57 | iostream | setuid: Try another mirror or wait for the mirror to become fully updated. |
| 20:23.04 | shingouz | K_Dallas: eugh! fancy tea! i like my tea kinda like Vimes does |
| 20:23.05 | RichK | brb, smoke. |
| 20:23.11 | Ungy | shai_ yes the package management tools are there or it couldn;t install ;-) |
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| 20:23.19 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 20:23.20 | rbochan | d3s: if you have already done the upgrading, attempting to downgrade will be a nightmare |
| 20:23.24 | shai_ | thanks |
| 20:23.30 | [1Lc]r00t | hltv shows running when I grep it but never shows running in server. So I'm tryin to find the help files or a readme |
| 20:23.38 | setuid | I don't understand why its trying to fetch xorg, when I'm doing a --reinstall of xfree86 |
| 20:23.42 | shingouz | d3s: first of all, you do not need to hack the preferences at all. and doing the downgrade is almose impossible. reinstall is the easiest way |
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| 20:23.58 | KodeK | [1Lc]r00t, did you make it connect to the server? |
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| 20:24.41 | [1Lc]r00t | Yes that's all set right. I wish it had a man file -.^ |
| 20:24.42 | c1sco | whatsup |
| 20:24.52 | KodeK | [1Lc]r00t, again, have you tried the steam forums? |
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| 20:25.22 | [1Lc]r00t | If you installed any program and it had a help file or readme where would it leave it? |
| 20:25.31 | [1Lc]r00t | Should be in the same directory if it had one correct? |
| 20:25.35 | KodeK | ye |
| 20:25.36 | KodeK | s |
| 20:25.37 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/<yourcrap> |
| 20:25.42 | c1sco | lol |
| 20:25.50 | KodeK | and that too |
| 20:25.51 | KodeK | :) |
| 20:26.03 | [1Lc]r00t | k hopefully it's there thanks guys :) |
| 20:26.05 | OldakQuill | Does anyone have resources for UTF fonts? |
| 20:26.05 | greycat | [1Lc]r00t: depends on how it's installed. |
| 20:26.13 | m13a8 | why do i even bother coming here |
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| 20:26.18 | [1Lc]r00t | Yeah that's the hard part I'm not the installer |
| 20:26.28 | c1sco | m13a8 because debian kicks ass |
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| 20:26.34 | d3s | rbochan: shingouz: K then.. I won't downgrade to stable.. I'll keep whatever i have testing/unstable... I just want to check whether I have the appropriate /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list. How? |
| 20:26.53 | bucky | [1Lc]r00t, might be in /usr/local/share/doc as well |
| 20:26.59 | anthony^ | whenever i try to use modprobe ndiswrapper it always fails even though i'm almost positive i'm using the right command and right driver |
| 20:27.00 | mbirkis | how do i enable framebuffer in debian? will this be resource demanding? |
| 20:27.01 | rbochan | !sid faq |
| 20:27.01 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:27.08 | rbochan | d3s: ^^^ |
| 20:27.10 | resiak | d3s: less /etc/apt/sources.list, and see if it points at testing or at unstable! |
| 20:27.10 | setuid | Nice... removing x.org removes 526 system packages |
| 20:27.12 | setuid | wooo |
| 20:27.16 | shingouz | d3s: don't ask me. it is your computer and you should know how to keep it running. Sid is a pain in the ass from time to time |
| 20:27.22 | setuid | Anything that involves a colored pixel gets yanked |
| 20:27.26 | KodeK | So, what's the easiest way to install a debian on a headless computer? |
| 20:27.26 | [1Lc]r00t | Is there a command I can use to get distro? |
| 20:27.35 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:27.36 | setuid | KodeK: remotely |
| 20:27.46 | d3s | resiak: yup.. it pointed.. what about preferences? |
| 20:27.48 | c1sco | [1Lc]r00t cat /etc/debian |
| 20:27.55 | KodeK | setuid, how? |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | KodeK: put a head on it .. start the installer's ssh server .. ssh .. finish install |
| 20:28.10 | KodeK | abrotman, that's what i've been doing so far, isn't there an easier way? |
| 20:28.10 | c1sco | [1Lc]r00t something like that /etc/debian??? somewhere |
| 20:28.20 | abrotman | KodeK: easier .. no .. more headless .. yes |
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| 20:28.35 | c1sco | addicted? |
| 20:28.47 | shingouz | KodeK: get a real small monitor. helps a bit. i have a coold 9-incher just for such situations |
| 20:28.49 | setuid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/9M3fdw74.html |
| 20:28.50 | Ungy | KodeK, plug monitor and key board in put net install cd in run name it make sure it is plugged into tnetwork port apt-get install ssh then do everythign remotly |
| 20:28.52 | setuid | That's what I'd have to remove |
| 20:29.09 | setuid | I'll be here all week reinstalling that and reconfiguring it all |
| 20:29.10 | setuid | ugh |
| 20:29.11 | abrotman | ok .. removing gnome seems a bit much :) |
| 20:29.19 | bucky | c1sco, do you mean cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:29.25 | anthony^ | i guess i just have to try a different distro? |
| 20:29.26 | KodeK | So there's no way without a monitor? |
| 20:29.26 | rbochan | abrotman: some would see it as a good thing ;) |
| 20:29.27 | c1sco | bucky yes |
| 20:29.32 | setuid | I can't reinstall xfree because the xorg packager fucked the dependencies |
| 20:29.34 | abrotman | setuid: oh .. you have to purge old X before installing xorg ? |
| 20:29.36 | c1sco | [1Lc]r00t what bucky said |
| 20:29.44 | abrotman | setuid: you should blame gravity |
| 20:29.49 | streuner | abrotman: no |
| 20:29.51 | setuid | abrotman: Yes, and every X package |
| 20:29.59 | abrotman | streuner; no/yes? |
| 20:30.00 | Ungy | KodeK how to you propose doign ti remotly? |
| 20:30.02 | greycat | !blame setuid |
| 20:30.06 | Gnea | setuid: well that's why it's not in upstream. |
| 20:30.18 | setuid | Yep |
| 20:30.22 | streuner | he's talking crap |
| 20:30.26 | Ungy | KodeK, you have to at least have some kind of OS and a network driver on there to do it remotly right |
| 20:30.32 | c1sco | !shit |
| 20:30.32 | dpkg | i guess shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 20:30.37 | KodeK | Ungy, well, the server would be a pain in the ass to remove from where it's at right now. And I can't hook up a monitor to it from there. |
| 20:30.39 | Gnea | you took a chance and now you've got no one to blame but yourself |
| 20:30.41 | setuid | Unfortunately, xfree86 doesn't support a feature my video card requires (Thinkpad T42p) |
| 20:30.44 | streuner | you can install x.org without to remove xfree86 first |
| 20:30.51 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 20:30.51 | c1sco | !shit c1sco |
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| 20:30.54 | Ungy | Kodek what is installed on the server? |
| 20:30.58 | KodeK | Ungy, does it help that it's already running debian? |
| 20:31.06 | setuid | streuner: Sure you can, but you can't remove it wihtout removing *ALL* of X and every dependency |
| 20:31.10 | Hiruko | Hmm I'd really rather not recompile the kernel and i need to make an initrd. I'm trying to find the way to do it, but I haven't found something that works so far |
| 20:31.11 | Ungy | Kodek what are you trying to do? |
| 20:31.12 | abrotman | KodeK: you could use debootstrap |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | maybe |
| 20:31.17 | setuid | streuner: i.e. you can't go back |
| 20:31.19 | abrotman | not sure if that will work headless |
| 20:31.19 | KodeK | Ungy, format it. |
| 20:31.30 | Ungy | Kodek you already have debian installed but you want to install it again? |
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| 20:31.34 | shingouz | abrotman: should work |
| 20:31.34 | c1sco | Hiruko there is a mkinitrd command |
| 20:31.38 | Gnea | setuid: that's just like going from woody to etch or sid - only way back is to reinstall |
| 20:31.38 | wobbler | I just upgraded to x.org in sid and it went smoothly for me |
| 20:31.38 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 20:31.39 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
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| 20:31.54 | setuid | Gnea: I'll just reinstall all of the packages by hand |
| 20:31.57 | setuid | easier that way |
| 20:31.58 | Hiruko | c1sco that's what I'm trying |
| 20:31.58 | rbochan | setuid: http://modular.fas.harvard.edu/t42/XFree-jenkins.txt |
| 20:32.03 | Gnea | wobbler: yeah but he couldn't hack it so now he's whining about not being able to downgrade |
| 20:32.06 | KodeK | Ungy, I'm going to format my drive. Clean it up, and it's easier to format than to manually remove stuff. |
| 20:32.12 | Gnea | setuid: good luck |
| 20:32.14 | setuid | rbochan: Nope, that doesn't work with current x.org or XFree |
| 20:32.18 | rbochan | setuid: from here... http://modular.fas.harvard.edu/t42/ |
| 20:32.21 | streuner | setuid: you'll need it |
| 20:32.22 | Ungy | KodeK, you a windows guy? |
| 20:32.23 | Hiruko | where do i specify what kernel i'm making this for |
| 20:32.24 | wobbler | Gnea true |
| 20:32.25 | setuid | Gnea: "couldn't hack it"? |
| 20:32.27 | Hiruko | do i use the image.deb file? |
| 20:32.40 | Hiruko | or the source.. i'm confused on this |
| 20:32.43 | c1sco | Hiruko im not sure, i only did it once |
| 20:32.49 | KodeK | Ungy, that's besides the point. I don't want to go through 500 packages and remove the ones I don't need/use. |
| 20:32.50 | c1sco | Hiruko did you read the man page? |
| 20:32.50 | Gnea | heh |
| 20:32.56 | abrotman | KodeK: try deborphan |
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| 20:33.02 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 20:33.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge'...and if you run that command as root without first making sure deborphan is installed, you will get a nasty surprise. |
| 20:33.12 | shai_ | Does the installer include a partitioning/formatting utility? |
| 20:33.27 | Hiruko | which is taht? |
| 20:33.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:33.30 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:33.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 20:33.51 | Ungy | Kodek no shit when you upgrade they will remove a lot of packages as well as you can purge file directories and what not when you remove packages as you remeove packages it will remove the dependencies with deborphan or wshould |
| 20:33.51 | c1sco | Hiruko type: man foo --> foo being the name of the command |
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| 20:34.18 | c1sco | lslslslslslslslslslslslslslslslslsllslslslslslslslslsls |
| 20:34.24 | Hiruko | no manual entry for foo |
| 20:34.25 | Hiruko | :( |
| 20:34.26 | KodeK | Ungy, can you rephrase that, please? |
| 20:34.30 | Ungy | shai_ you put cd in answer questions and but the time it is doen you have a fully working OS from iso 1 |
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| 20:34.34 | greycat | foo should have a man page. |
| 20:34.43 | Gnea | a pointer to bar |
| 20:34.44 | Hiruko | well... it doesn't =\ |
| 20:34.45 | c1sco | Hiruko what is the initrd command? mkinitrd? |
| 20:34.49 | Hiruko | yes |
| 20:34.53 | dafen | wonder where I can get a db2 server from any particular apt server? |
| 20:34.54 | Hiruko | i'm trying to search for things on it |
| 20:34.55 | greycat | c1sco: man make-kpkg |
| 20:34.57 | rbochan | greycat: and it should contain one word: "bar" |
| 20:35.01 | c1sco | Hiruko man mkinitrd |
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| 20:35.06 | justin | greycat: maybe in the funny-manpages? |
| 20:35.09 | Hiruko | k |
| 20:35.11 | c1sco | greycat there is a specific mkinitrd command too |
| 20:35.19 | Ungy | KodeK, simply Remove the packages you do not want |
| 20:35.36 | greycat | c1sco: yes, but only a weirdo would ever use it directly |
| 20:35.36 | bucky | dafen, does IBM have an apt repository? |
| 20:35.36 | Hiruko | thx |
| 20:35.39 | Hiruko | I'll check that out |
| 20:35.42 | dafen | nope |
| 20:35.46 | c1sco | greycat ive dont it before |
| 20:35.53 | c1sco | Hiruko is trying it |
| 20:35.54 | Ungy | KodeK, if you use the purge ability it also removes all the config files associated with it |
| 20:35.57 | dafen | coz I've heard someone is doing a free db2 server for linux |
| 20:36.38 | c1sco | Hiruko here man http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
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| 20:36.50 | Ungy | KodeK, then once you have all the main packages your not using you can tehn use deborphan to remove the unused libraries |
| 20:37.07 | c1sco | Hiruko follow that, im assuming you are compiling a kernel, no? |
| 20:37.12 | KodeK | Ungy, it's more than that. I have unused users, and directories all over the drive. It'd be just easier to format. Trust me :) |
| 20:37.18 | Hiruko | it's already compiled |
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| 20:37.24 | Hiruko | and i forgot to support something it seems |
| 20:37.35 | Hiruko | so i need the initrd image, not in the mood to recompile again if i don't have to |
| 20:37.41 | Ungy | KodeK, rm -rf /home/username |
| 20:37.55 | shingouz | KodeK: userdel -r username |
| 20:38.03 | shingouz | (or was it deluser..) |
| 20:38.07 | Ungy | shingouz, ahh yeah that works too |
| 20:38.11 | KodeK | Ungy, I'm not looking for a workaround. I just wanted to know if it'd be possible to do the entire setup remotely. |
| 20:38.27 | shingouz | KodeK: yes it is. i foyu are masochistic |
| 20:38.41 | shingouz | jfc.. i tpyo badly tonight |
| 20:38.42 | Hiruko | c1sco |
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| 20:38.45 | c1sco | Hiruko yes |
| 20:38.46 | Hiruko | I still have everything in tact |
| 20:38.52 | Hiruko | can i just use that command? |
| 20:38.53 | Ungy | shingouz, well feel free to try debootstrap |
| 20:38.55 | c1sco | Hiruko yes |
| 20:39.00 | KodeK | shingouz, the problem is that taking out my server OR hooking up a monitor to it would be a pain in the ass. |
| 20:39.03 | Hiruko | and i won't have to redo the make menuconfig right |
| 20:39.07 | Ungy | KodeK, feel freee to try debootstrap |
| 20:39.09 | KodeK | shingouz, but if I have to do it, I guess i'll do it. |
| 20:39.11 | c1sco | Hiruko just: man mkinitrd and figure out how to use it |
| 20:39.11 | jim | Hiruko: if you want to do initrd, you must have cramfs, ramdisk, ramdisk at boot all in the kernel (not modules) |
| 20:39.16 | deepfrze | man deborphan |
| 20:39.16 | Ungy | sorry shingouz meant KodeK |
| 20:39.21 | PeTeRB | KodeK: Actually, you are looking for a workaround for the mess you've made. |
| 20:39.25 | shingouz | KodeK: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 20:39.28 | jim | then you run make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 20:39.40 | Hiruko | okay i'll just do that |
| 20:39.41 | Hiruko | thanks :) |
| 20:40.06 | shai_ | is the installar capable of creating NTFS partitions, or should I just leave unformatted space and NTFS it through the windows installer? |
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| 20:40.31 | Hiruko | jim that's if i want to use an initrd image right? |
| 20:40.34 | shingouz | shai_: why the hell would you like to have ntfs on the box in the first place? |
| 20:40.38 | c1sco | shai_ you are doing a dual boot? |
| 20:40.41 | Hiruko | if i recompile the kernel with --initrd i don't have to do taht? |
| 20:40.48 | c1sco | Hiruko correct |
| 20:40.53 | Hiruko | okay good ^_^ |
| 20:41.02 | Ungy | shai_ just leave empty space |
| 20:41.05 | jim | that's if you want the package that is the result of the make-kpkg to create an initrd image |
| 20:41.27 | Hiruko | kk |
| 20:41.28 | Ungy | shai_ if yoru doing dual boot I suggest installing windows version first |
| 20:41.29 | c1sco | shai_ if you install linux first, and microsoft second on a dual boot, your are going to destroy your mbr, and not be able to boot linux |
| 20:41.37 | shai_ | shingouz, I need a windows system too, and I don't wanna fun it from FAT |
| 20:41.43 | greycat | c1sco: but he has his install CD... :) |
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| 20:41.50 | shai_ | what... you've gotta be kidding... |
| 20:41.57 | c1sco | shai_ serious |
| 20:42.05 | shingouz | shai_: ntfs is not writeable safely with linux and it is a real pain in the ass to read too |
| 20:42.06 | shai_ | I have to start from the XP installation? That's horrid |
| 20:42.10 | c1sco | shai_ some dude jsut in here an hour ago did the same shit |
| 20:42.22 | Ungy | shai_ how is that horrid? |
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| 20:42.27 | tarzeau | !good night |
| 20:42.29 | shai_ | I believe you, I'm just going through a phaze of coping |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | so what .. use a grub floppy FFS |
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| 20:42.33 | shingouz | shai_: XP is horrid |
| 20:42.38 | shai_ | I know |
| 20:42.42 | shai_ | but I need photoshop |
| 20:42.47 | c1sco | shai_ use gimp |
| 20:42.49 | streuner | tarzeau: be prepared |
| 20:42.50 | Ungy | shai_ windows not made for dual boot you can do it but you have to manually change the boot record |
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| 20:42.53 | davidmccabe | Hi folks. |
| 20:42.54 | tarzeau | streuner: for? |
| 20:42.56 | shingouz | shai_: thou shalt not install malware :p |
| 20:42.58 | Ungy | shai_ try the Gimp |
| 20:43.00 | shai_ | gimp isn't good enough for my needs |
| 20:43.07 | davidmccabe | Does debian have an equivalent of gentoo's rc-update, which adds and removes things from the system boot sequence? |
| 20:43.08 | streuner | tarzeau: tomorrow it will be hot in europe ;-) |
| 20:43.20 | c1sco | shai_ you can do what abrotman said and use a boot floopy to fix your mbr, but next time you install ms first |
| 20:43.22 | tarzeau | davidmccabe: yes |
| 20:43.28 | tarzeau | davidmccabe: it's called update-rc.d or so |
| 20:43.29 | jim | davidmccabe update-rc.d |
| 20:43.32 | greycat | davidmccabe: rcconf, too |
| 20:43.34 | davidmccabe | Thanks, folks! |
| 20:43.36 | tarzeau | streuner: i'm not in europe, at least not politically |
| 20:43.41 | shai_ | c1sco, I think I won't take any chances and start with XP |
| 20:43.42 | greycat | or ln and rm |
| 20:43.46 | zulkifar | Is there a debian rescue CD? |
| 20:43.49 | Ungy | Shai_ you will have to create a boot disk to boot you into linux if you install windows second |
| 20:43.51 | c1sco | shai_ good ideer |
| 20:43.51 | abrotman | shai_: you might which to check winehq.com and see how wine runs photoshop |
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| 20:43.57 | greycat | zulkifar: you can use the boot CD and then mount and chroot |
| 20:43.59 | streuner | tarzeau: weather makes no difference if you are NOT in EU ;-) |
| 20:44.04 | greycat | zulkifar: the install CD, I mean |
| 20:44.05 | tarzeau | streuner: :) i doesn't care LOL |
| 20:44.09 | tarzeau | streuner: schlaf jetzt |
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| 20:44.18 | shai_ | abrotman, already did, the answer is "poorly" :/ |
| 20:44.19 | streuner | tarzeau: night :-) |
| 20:44.23 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.24 | zulkifar | greycat: is it just the first iso from a set? |
| 20:44.31 | abrotman | shai_: should i act surprised now? :) |
| 20:44.33 | shai_ | PS is the only reason I reformat my machine in the fisrt place |
| 20:44.39 | greycat | zulkifar: that should work |
| 20:44.39 | EdibleText | 've// |
| 20:44.48 | greycat | zulkifar: whatever you used to install. |
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| 20:45.04 | Logi | does anyone have any idea why running X as non-root gives me a warning from XSession that it can't write to /tmp and terminates, when /tmp has the flags drwxrwxrwt as it should? |
| 20:45.06 | Ungy | zulkifar, what did you do? |
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| 20:45.57 | abrotman | shai_: photoshop isn't vector stuff is it ? |
| 20:47.06 | shai_ | abrotman, it has vector tools, but it's not it's main tesk |
| 20:47.07 | Ungy | shai_, if your goign to run photoshop get a mac ;-) |
| 20:47.36 | abrotman | shai_: ok .. i didn't think something like sodipodi or inkscape would work .. just thought i'd check |
| 20:47.43 | shai_ | although lot's of the graphic edit and selection algorithms are vector based |
| 20:47.57 | shai_ | abrotman, I thought it all, those applications are nice, but I need something proffesional |
| 20:48.02 | shai_ | it's my job, after all :/ |
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| 20:48.08 | Ungy | Logi nope that is weird who is the owner and group of tmp root:root? |
| 20:48.09 | themp | apt iso |
| 20:48.09 | apt | somebody said iso was 20megs, but it has a complete secure web interface |
| 20:48.14 | Hiruko | ah confused again, how do i compile the kernel so i do not need initrd |
| 20:48.18 | abrotman | shai_: i understand .. esp if it's your job :) |
| 20:48.18 | Hiruko | i'll do that |
| 20:48.27 | themp | apt url+iso |
| 20:48.37 | greycat | apt, you *really* need to stop taking those rusty botsnacks. |
| 20:48.37 | apt | greycat: thanks |
| 20:48.38 | shai_ | esp? |
| 20:48.39 | themp | didable it |
| 20:48.45 | justin | Hiruko: why not just don't compile a kernel at all |
| 20:48.46 | Logi | Ungy: yup, root:root |
| 20:48.49 | themp | disable initrd in your boot loader |
| 20:48.51 | Hiruko | no -_- |
| 20:48.56 | Hiruko | that's not an option |
| 20:48.57 | Hiruko | :) |
| 20:48.57 | Ungy | Logi weird |
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| 20:49.01 | Logi | Ungy: yup |
| 20:49.02 | zulkifar | Ungy: scare things :) I booted from netinst CD but it has no drivers for ide_disk compiled in. It can load modules from CD but after that I can't mount hdd anyway. First there were no nodes in /dev so I created them by a hand. After that I still can't mount partitions somehow. |
| 20:49.08 | Hiruko | I have to learn somehow.. you didn't know how to do it at one time |
| 20:49.13 | themp | need debian iso cant seem o find an url for sparc |
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| 20:49.30 | themp | killall devfsd |
| 20:49.34 | themp | devfsd /dev |
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| 20:49.56 | zulkifar | Ungy: what did I do? not me, actually, it was friend who installed Windows... need explanations? :) |
| 20:49.58 | Ungy | zulkifar, that sounds rather bad and this is a fresh install? |
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| 20:50.10 | zulkifar | Ungy: yes, fresh install |
| 20:50.13 | zulkifar | Ungy: was :) |
| 20:50.13 | streuner | themp: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 20:50.17 | Jaak | oh my! is this xorg im dling? |
| 20:50.17 | Toastie_ | My Apache 1.3.33 on Sarge refuses to resume large files... |
| 20:50.28 | Toastie_ | I even compiled it from scratch, to no avail. |
| 20:50.35 | Ungy | zulkifar, so debian was installed then someone installed windows over it dual boot? |
| 20:50.36 | streuner | Jaak: running sid? |
| 20:50.41 | Jaak | testing |
| 20:50.45 | Toastie_ | Do I need something else for large fiel support? |
| 20:50.46 | Jaak | sarge |
| 20:50.59 | shingouz | Jaak: sarge is stable |
| 20:51.11 | streuner | Jaak: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:51.14 | Jaak | well, its the testing |
| 20:51.23 | jim | that's Etch |
| 20:51.24 | Ungy | Jaak etch then |
| 20:51.24 | Jaak | eacy, nothing has been broken down yet :) |
| 20:51.30 | Jaak | easy* |
| 20:51.37 | zulkifar | Ungy: yes, debian was hda2, and winxp was installed into hda1. |
| 20:51.52 | Jaak | etch then |
| 20:51.53 | Ungy | zulkifar, windows was installed after Debian? |
| 20:52.01 | zulkifar | Ungy: the goal is to get proper dual boot. |
| 20:52.03 | zulkifar | Ungy: yes |
| 20:52.23 | Ungy | zulkifar, you need to create a boot floppy to mount for you then reinstall Grub |
| 20:52.31 | zulkifar | Ungy: or rather re-installed (which is common practice in wintel worlds, is it? :) |
| 20:53.15 | zulkifar | Ungy: it was Lilo actually, but yes - I need floppies. I got 2 - boot and root. Need to got more? |
| 20:53.16 | Jaak | its possible do boot to linux having windows crap mrb too... atleast so ive heard |
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| 20:53.43 | Ungy | zulkifar, when windows installs it writes to your boot record and whipes out what is there you can change it but it doesn;t recognize file systems other then ntfs and fat if I remeber correctly |
| 20:54.31 | Jaak | does x.org conf file differ from xfrees much? |
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| 20:55.29 | X-TRaZy | How do I set apt to prefer sid before experimental? |
| 20:55.34 | Toastie_ | Why doesn't my Apache installation agree to resume files >2GB? |
| 20:55.47 | drac | Jaak: Not much. At least driver "keyboard" is changed to driver "kbd", and you can add new options to lot of things.. |
| 20:56.02 | zulkifar | Ungy: I know that, thats why I asked: is there rescue CD. I don't want to load first iso so will try floppies first. |
| 20:56.27 | EdibleText | zulkifar, use an install cd at BOOT: (or wahtever prompt you get ) do rescue root=/dev/hda2; edit lilo.conf (if needed) then run lilo |
| 20:56.41 | Kven | Is there a way to see if something uses /dev/psaux? |
| 20:57.08 | PeTeRB | Kven: lsof |
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| 20:57.12 | rbochan | Toastie_: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27649 |
| 20:57.16 | drac | Kven: cat /dev/psaux (in console) and move your device. If crap appears on screen, it's used. |
| 20:57.26 | zulkifar | EdibleText: I loaded expert26 mode but there is no IDE support :( |
| 20:57.38 | Kven | Thanks! |
| 20:57.49 | opc0de | hey can anyone tell me how to enable suexec on testing? I notice that there's a /usr/lib/apache-ssl/suexec.disabled, but I don't nkow how to enable it.. renaming it to suexec still doesn't get it to load |
| 20:57.54 | zulkifar | EdibleText: (netinst CD) |
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| 20:58.22 | Toastie_ | rbochan, my issue is with Apache 1.3 |
| 20:58.40 | kspath_ | strings command and grep for psaux in case that binary or lib refers to it |
| 20:58.40 | rbochan | then research it there |
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| 21:00.09 | sarge_man | bonjour |
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| 21:01.00 | sarge_man | y a queslqu'un ? |
| 21:01.06 | rbochan | Toastie_: did you even bother to check the debian bug reports? |
| 21:01.10 | moparfan90 | anyone know where i can download doom 3 for free/ the full version? |
| 21:01.15 | Toastie_ | rbochan, yeah :( |
| 21:01.24 | rbochan | so did I , and I"m look right at it |
| 21:01.28 | koollman | sarge_man: english chan here (mais oui, il y a du monde) |
| 21:01.41 | drac | moparfan90: You have to own Windows version of that game to get all necessary files. |
| 21:01.45 | Toastie_ | rbochan, you don't refer to 285337, right? |
| 21:02.03 | sarge_man | ok, is there french channel for debian ? |
| 21:02.06 | sarge_man | debianfr ?? |
| 21:02.07 | rbochan | no |
| 21:02.09 | moparfan90 | you know where i can get it for free? |
| 21:02.12 | drac | !gr |
| 21:02.12 | dpkg | it has been said that gr is Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution |
| 21:02.14 | drac | !fr |
| 21:02.14 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
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| 21:02.16 | rbochan | Toastie_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=291312 |
| 21:02.19 | EdibleText | zulkifar, i checked the netinst sarge cd; at boot: expert root=/dev/hda2 try that |
| 21:02.21 | sarge_man | merci |
| 21:02.39 | EdibleText | zulkifar, on woody the image was 'rescue' |
| 21:02.43 | koollman | sarge_man: try #linuxfr |
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| 21:03.14 | Toastie_ | rbochan, not exactly my problem :( My problem is about being unable to resume, though we might upgrade to Apache 2.0.x while at it. |
| 21:03.19 | jjott | Anyone have experience making udebs for the debian-installer? |
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| 21:04.12 | arnon | I have a system crash, the screen just went blank with no error message at all, how do I investigate this? I have been looking at /var/log/messages but nothing usefull so far |
| 21:04.22 | jon787 | so um does the xorg update today play nice with nvidia? |
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| 21:04.43 | streuner | jon787: find out |
| 21:04.48 | zulkifar | EdibleText: thanks, I'll try it now! |
| 21:04.50 | stew | jon787: it should |
| 21:05.05 | stew | jon787: (note that's didn't say, "it will") |
| 21:05.10 | Hostile | does anyone have a tutorial to switching to xorg from xfree? |
| 21:05.11 | stew | s/'s// |
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| 21:05.14 | streuner | jon787: hey, you using unstable ... ;-) |
| 21:05.28 | streuner | Hostile: no need, just install it |
| 21:05.49 | jon787 | streuner: in my experience unstable is quite stable |
| 21:05.56 | jon787 | except on days like today |
| 21:06.00 | din | Hostile, and copy xorg.conf to XFree86.conf |
| 21:06.09 | c1sco | jon787 unstable is stable????? |
| 21:06.15 | streuner | Hostile: well, the situation could change pretty soon :-) |
| 21:06.25 | c1sco | jon787 i know testing, seems to be very stable, but i dunno about sid |
| 21:06.27 | stew | din: why would you want / need to do that? |
| 21:06.27 | jon787 | c1sco: I mean unstable (the branch of debian) is quite stable (the adjective) |
| 21:06.40 | Hostile | well I have xfree now and I want xorg |
| 21:06.41 | c1sco | jon787 you mean sid |
| 21:06.44 | jon787 | yes |
| 21:06.45 | jon787 | sid |
| 21:06.47 | din | stew, does xfree use xorg.conf? |
| 21:06.58 | stew | din: no |
| 21:07.03 | din | hence the copying |
| 21:07.05 | c1sco | jon787 sarge is very stable for me, i dunno about sid |
| 21:07.06 | din | read the question |
| 21:07.16 | din | errr |
| 21:07.21 | din | nm i read it wrong lol |
| 21:07.24 | c1sco | din, i dont think so |
| 21:07.37 | din | i thought he said from xorg to xfree |
| 21:07.38 | stew | din: nothing uses XFree86.conf |
| 21:08.07 | din | which sparked my attention |
| 21:08.16 | din | why would you go back to xfree lol |
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| 21:09.04 | opc0de | hey where can I find the script that's run when you do a dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>? |
| 21:09.27 | Hostile | so how do i switch from xfree to xorg? |
| 21:09.39 | YaleR_ | Hostile: just get unstable :P |
| 21:09.44 | din | Hostile, just install it |
| 21:09.46 | YaleR_ | I think it went xorg today |
| 21:09.48 | Hostile | I have unstable |
| 21:09.49 | streuner | Hostile: what version of debian do you running actually? |
| 21:09.52 | Hostile | but its using xfree |
| 21:09.59 | jon787 | Hostile: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:10.00 | YaleR_ | Hostile: then apt-get dist-upgrade lol |
| 21:10.02 | jon787 | and pray |
| 21:10.04 | streuner | Hostile: ok, just upgrade |
| 21:10.08 | YaleR_ | jon787: I'm scared to do it :P |
| 21:10.08 | Malthus | oh dear |
| 21:10.13 | Hostile | well...hmm how do I check what I have...xfree or xorg |
| 21:10.13 | YaleR_ | my xfree is working so nicely |
| 21:10.19 | jon787 | YaleR_: two of mine have survived so far |
| 21:10.19 | streuner | Hostile: and see what jon787 said ;-) |
| 21:10.24 | cbr | wtf!? |
| 21:10.24 | jon787 | but the last has nvidia drivers so..... |
| 21:10.26 | Jaak | oh my.... i think the lastest etch upgrade broke a lot |
| 21:10.26 | cbr | unstable went xorg!? |
| 21:10.38 | Harley^ | When I installed Debian Sarge this past weekend on an AMD64 I had some problems. And I'd like to know if they are hardware or software caused. The first problem I had was during the install, the process was almost complete and was going through the Setting Up package phase and the system just FROZE up. I have installed Debian Sarge on this AMD64 twice (to experiment the with setting up LVM first time) and with the LVM the second time. Another problem that |
| 21:10.38 | Harley^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.39 | deadcat | woohoo. X.org (= wheres transset and xcompmgr? |
| 21:10.40 | YaleR_ | mine is nvidia :/ |
| 21:10.42 | Jaak | dist-upgrade is going crazy |
| 21:10.42 | Hostile | yeah I might have xorg...how do I tell? |
| 21:10.46 | streuner | !info xserver-xorg |
| 21:10.54 | stew | opc0de: /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgname.config |
| 21:10.54 | jon787 | YaleR_: give me 10 min and I'll know if it worked |
| 21:10.58 | YaleR_ | k ;) |
| 21:10.58 | deadcat | Hostile: if you cant tell. whats the point |
| 21:11.00 | Jaak | yes! ifno please |
| 21:11.00 | binarydigit_ | you would prolly notice if you upgraded |
| 21:11.02 | Jaak | info* |
| 21:11.02 | cbr | !info xserver-xorg |
| 21:11.13 | rob_lt | fsck I hate job hunting |
| 21:11.18 | Hostile | deadcat, because xorg is better |
| 21:11.19 | binarydigit_ | unless you just dont pay attention at all when you do and apt-get upgrade |
| 21:11.20 | opc0de | thanks stew |
| 21:11.27 | deadcat | Hostile: how can you tell? |
| 21:11.30 | streuner | dpkg, wake up! |
| 21:11.30 | dpkg | streuner: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 21:11.34 | Hostile | binarydigit, yeah thats why I dont think I have xorg |
| 21:11.40 | din | stew, it's been so long, it's XF86Config isn't it? |
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| 21:11.44 | deadcat | i assume xorg in sid means for all arch? |
| 21:11.46 | Hostile | deadcat, everyone told me its got better features....and is more stable |
| 21:11.50 | stew | XF86Config-4 |
| 21:11.58 | deadcat | Hostile: they bullshit'ing you |
| 21:12.21 | rob_lt | Hostile, right now, there are barely any differences, and it really isn't worth the effort |
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| 21:12.33 | streuner | Hostile: debian's xfree86 packages had several patches... |
| 21:12.34 | jc-denton | humm |
| 21:12.39 | abrotman | well .. some newer drivers |
| 21:12.41 | jc-denton | i have a working xf4.3 running |
| 21:12.43 | abrotman | like i9xx crap |
| 21:12.46 | Hostile | well, still how do I tell what I have installed? |
| 21:12.48 | Hostile | aptitude? |
| 21:12.51 | jc-denton | will updating break it? |
| 21:12.54 | abrotman | dpkg -l xlibs |
| 21:12.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching xlibs |
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| 21:12.55 | YaleR_ | well, you can get cool transparency - if you use kde, and if you're willing to do some weird shit |
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| 21:12.56 | kari_ | installed new X. startx seems to be gone. How do you start X now? |
| 21:13.01 | drac | rob_lt: huh? like getting accellerated dualhead with radeon(4) and improved MesaGL DRI for all open source drivers.. is not much? ;) |
| 21:13.03 | setuid | Well this is fun... I can either have X or gdm, but I can't have both. |
| 21:13.05 | Harley^ | I guess I could have asked the question a different way, Is anyone else having stability problems in X on an AMD64 Debian Sarge system ? |
| 21:13.13 | jon787 | whats the new use-session-dbus it inserted in my Xsession.options file do? |
| 21:13.14 | abrotman | Harley^: pure64? |
| 21:13.17 | setuid | Installing xfree86 removes gdm, installing gdm removes xfree86 |
| 21:13.19 | setuid | Nice |
| 21:13.20 | din | kari_, check your path |
| 21:13.22 | stew | Harley^: #debian-amd64 |
| 21:13.33 | Harley^ | abrotman, No. Its debian Sarge |
| 21:13.38 | Harley^ | stew OK |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | Harley^: you didn't use the special amd64 installer ? |
| 21:13.46 | jc-denton | or how big is the chance that it breaks? |
| 21:13.48 | setuid | This feels like the libc5 -> libc6 breakage |
| 21:13.48 | Hostile | xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 |
| 21:13.52 | deadcat | so once xorg his sid, if i apt-get install x-window-system-core, what am i getting? xfree or xorg? |
| 21:13.52 | kari_ | I'll ask locate once updatedb is finished |
| 21:13.53 | Hostile | Im guessing thats xfree? |
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| 21:14.23 | drac | deadcat: xorg |
| 21:14.24 | setuid | Hostile: Someone changed that, without changing package names |
| 21:14.28 | streuner | deadcat: they going auto by buildd |
| 21:14.33 | Harley^ | abrotman No. I wasn't aware I should. I used the Netinstall.iso that has the ADM64 kernel |
| 21:14.41 | Hostile | hmm |
| 21:14.42 | deadcat | k |
| 21:14.43 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:14.44 | setuid | Hostile: xlibs on mine is 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 |
| 21:14.55 | setuid | Which I can't use, because it breaks EVERYTHING |
| 21:15.04 | Hostile | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 21:15.07 | rob_lt | drac, how many people use accelerated dual head radeon? For most people, it is simply not worth the effort at this time. If there is a specific reason to upgrade, then go ahead, but otherwise, not worth the hastle. |
| 21:15.08 | zulkifar | EdibleText: doesn't work. I tried linux, expert, linux26, expert26 with same result - kernel panic |
| 21:15.08 | Hostile | thats sid right? |
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| 21:15.23 | cbr | is there some announcment on xorg or smth? |
| 21:15.24 | zulkifar | EdibleText: maybe hdds named differently on laptops?? |
| 21:15.32 | setuid | cbr: Yes, xorg breaks Debian. |
| 21:15.32 | Harley^ | abrotman, Is there a special installer other than the netinstall.iso for the AMD64 ? |
| 21:15.38 | streuner | deadcat: somebody told me already - those packages (ppc) aren't very stable... |
| 21:15.40 | abrotman | not that i'm aware |
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| 21:16.00 | deadcat | streuner: damn. know how long i have to wait? |
| 21:16.01 | cbr | setuid, i mean is it written somewhere that xorg is gonna come to unstable? other than this topic? |
| 21:16.06 | EdibleText | zulkifar, what did it say ? couldnt find root blah blah on 3:02 or something? |
| 21:16.14 | cbr | setuid, some source |
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| 21:16.28 | streuner | deadcat: tomorrow they are build, but if they are stable that's another question... |
| 21:16.29 | stew | cbr: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
| 21:16.40 | deadcat | streuner: thanks. |
| 21:16.44 | Hostile | I just ran dist-upgrade...and it runs to upgrade x-window-system-core now....but it wants to take off nvidia-glx...does that mean I cant use nvidia with it? |
| 21:16.45 | setuid | cbr: What? |
| 21:16.53 | opc0de | hmm, I'm trying to figure how to enable/disable suexec.. i can do this through dpkg-reconfigure, but I have no idea what conf files debconf is modifying.. any idea how I can figure this out? |
| 21:17.01 | setuid | cbr: Nothing has been ported to xorg yet, so anything you use (i.e. like KDE or GNOME) won't function |
| 21:17.07 | deadcat | oye: dont do that fucker |
| 21:17.08 | setuid | I just removed 526 packages because of it |
| 21:17.12 | EdibleText | zulkifar, you know.. if you install windows first THEN debian.. the install will recognize the wondows partition and create a boot menu with it |
| 21:17.18 | kari_ | startx wasn't on my system, I'll ask apt-file |
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| 21:17.31 | cbr | setuid, wtf!? |
| 21:17.33 | cbr | ported to xorg!? |
| 21:17.36 | Hostile | so xorg isnt nvidia-glx friendly? |
| 21:17.36 | cbr | wtf do you mean |
| 21:17.42 | zulkifar | EdibleText: yes, can not open debvice 3:02 |
| 21:17.47 | jon787 | YaleR_: go for it, worked fine for me |
| 21:17.48 | zulkifar | EdibleText: yes I know |
| 21:17.50 | setuid | cbr: yes |
| 21:17.55 | YaleR_ | :D |
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| 21:17.59 | deadcat | Hostile: since you dont know the diff why do you give a fuck? |
| 21:18.00 | setuid | cbr: Installing xorg will cause removal of many of your packages |
| 21:18.02 | YaleR_ | hawt, debian always pulls through |
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| 21:18.03 | setuid | Because they conflict |
| 21:18.04 | cbr | i have xorg from linux-systeme.com and everything works well |
| 21:18.06 | zulkifar | EdibleText: but the fact is - person decided to reinstall windows |
| 21:18.07 | EdibleText | zulkifar, are you sure root is on /dev/hda2? |
| 21:18.07 | oye | sorry, I spell wrong the channel name , shit.. |
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| 21:18.16 | setuid | cbr: install 'pose' and see what happens |
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| 21:18.23 | cbr | whats pose? |
| 21:18.23 | deadcat | cbr: /topic, you can remove that line from your sources.list |
| 21:18.25 | Hostile | deadcat, well, Im just wondering...should I put x-window-system on hold then? |
| 21:18.34 | EdibleText | !punish person who decided to reinstall windows |
| 21:18.45 | deadcat | Hostile: nah. just dist-upgrade it |
| 21:18.46 | cbr | deadcat, it's not in unstable yet, is it? |
| 21:18.46 | zulkifar | EdibleText: what else? hda1 is windows, I tried both hda2, hda3 (just for case) and hda5 (to be sure) |
| 21:18.59 | Hostile | deadcat, but its going to break my nvidia :/ |
| 21:19.05 | deadcat | cbr: in few hrs. its in incoming.d.o right now |
| 21:19.11 | deadcat | Hostile: didnt break mine |
| 21:19.19 | cbr | xorg doesnt break anything wtf |
| 21:19.21 | cbr | paranoia |
| 21:19.21 | jon787 | Hostile: I just survived xfree -> xorg with nvidia |
| 21:19.25 | setuid | cbr: Sure it does. |
| 21:19.29 | cbr | setuid, nope |
| 21:19.35 | jon787 | although my xvideo output in mplayer is still dead |
| 21:19.36 | setuid | Installing it forces the removal of hundreds of packages |
| 21:19.40 | jon787 | magically died the other day |
| 21:19.44 | jon787 | in the middle of a video! |
| 21:19.45 | setuid | xorg works fine, you just can't use much else yet |
| 21:19.45 | EdibleText | zulkifar, for my own sanity *every* install I do (unless real exotic) gets the first logical partition as root... means less for me to remember |
| 21:19.45 | kari_ | ah. xbase-clients has startx, but that can't be installed due to unmet dependencies |
| 21:19.59 | stew | setuid: what did it force to be removed and why? |
| 21:19.59 | kari_ | any alternate ways for getting X started? |
| 21:20.11 | setuid | stew: In my case, all of gnome and a bunch of other packages. |
| 21:20.14 | setuid | Uno momento |
| 21:20.16 | jon787 | kari_: xinit (but I think thats in xbase-clients) |
| 21:20.18 | Hostile | jon787, ok |
| 21:20.26 | Hostile | its going now |
| 21:20.28 | stew | setuid: what conflict cased gnome to be removed? |
| 21:20.33 | Hostile | so Ill just have to reinstall nvidia-glx ;) |
| 21:20.45 | cbr | setuid, what's your source on that? |
| 21:20.51 | deadcat | jon787: i have more problems than you. (=. xfree hangs when i use nvidia driver and xine (some other apps too), xorg is a little bit better but still sucks. i cant figure out why.... glxgears is only 500fps, i have a pretty good card |
| 21:20.57 | EdibleText | zulkifar, you could boot into the install disk and use cfdisk (in the console) to check the partitions |
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| 21:21.35 | cbr | deadcat, so with today's update xorg should be in? |
| 21:21.35 | EdibleText | zulkifar, but if you do that you have to crawl up the /dev/ directory.. /dev/disc/ or something |
| 21:21.46 | PeTeRB | kari_: How about /etc/init.d/xdm start ? |
| 21:21.51 | jon787 | kari_: you are obviously under the delusion that the world makes sense |
| 21:22.04 | Jaak | man... i pheer to reboot |
| 21:22.13 | kari_ | jon787: yeah, a dangerous one, that |
| 21:22.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 21:22.53 | deadcat | cbr: ya. those pkgs are in incoming.d.o since last night. i couldnt wait so i used "!xorg debs" |
| 21:22.58 | setuid | Hrm, rafb.net ate my paste... it was up there |
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| 21:23.04 | kari_ | xdm, kdm and gdm all have unmet dependencies |
| 21:23.06 | deadcat | cbr: but those are the same packages. |
| 21:23.09 | plugwash | is there somethign wrong with packages.debian.org |
| 21:23.20 | stew | deadcat: they are out of incoming now and they are in the main repository |
| 21:23.23 | stew | deadcat: at least for i386 |
| 21:23.24 | streuner | plugwash: no |
| 21:23.29 | c1sco | kari_ apt-cache search package && apt-get install package for your unmet dep |
| 21:23.31 | SDFH_Linux | did they fix yet gaim? |
| 21:23.32 | jon787 | kari_: hmmm, I had no problems getting XDM today... |
| 21:23.34 | plugwash | someone told me that xserver-xorg is now in sid yet packages.debian.org isn't showing it |
| 21:23.36 | deadcat | stew: let me apt-cache it (= |
| 21:23.42 | stew | SDFH_Linux: bts |
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| 21:23.45 | deadcat | stew: no transset and xcompmgr though )= |
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| 21:23.46 | streuner | plugwash: it need some time till its up-to-date |
| 21:23.51 | drac | plugwash: some mirrors, and packages.debian.org is slow. |
| 21:24.00 | kari_ | c1sco: they are unmet because the archive doesn't have the right versions (yet?) |
| 21:24.06 | SDFH_Linux | whats bts? |
| 21:24.09 | c1sco | kari_ sid? |
| 21:24.12 | EdibleText | !bts |
| 21:24.13 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:24.15 | setuid | Everything has to be rebuilt against xorg |
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| 21:24.23 | stew | SDFH_Linux: /topic ; /msg dpkg guidelines ; /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:24.25 | setuid | So there's a lot of unmet dependencies right now |
| 21:24.28 | stew | setuid: what does? |
| 21:24.29 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 21:24.36 | jon787 | XDM was already rebuilt though |
| 21:24.37 | jon787 | xdm 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 X display manager |
| 21:24.38 | cbr | deadcat, are the sid packages different to the linux-systeme ones? |
| 21:24.39 | plugwash | hmm i thought the mirror push happened at midnight utc |
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| 21:24.43 | c1sco | kari_??? |
| 21:24.44 | plugwash | or has that changed? |
| 21:24.45 | jon787 | plugwash: midnight UTC |
| 21:24.46 | stew | cbr: very different |
| 21:24.46 | drac | jon787: xdm is part of xorg |
| 21:24.47 | deadcat | stew: ya. they are in. apt-cache search xorg gives me more output than before. |
| 21:24.55 | cbr | stew, in what way |
| 21:24.56 | c1sco | kari_ are you using sid? |
| 21:25.08 | deadcat | cbr: maybe. but since sid is debian and the other one is 3rd party. |
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| 21:25.33 | plugwash | jon787 so wouldn't that mean if packages.debian.org is outdated now that its lagging by nearly a whole day?! |
| 21:25.36 | bsims | heh /me is wondering with the abi transition how many packages he needs to wait on until its safe to dist-upgrade <d> |
| 21:25.37 | jon787 | plugwash: errr 1900 UTC |
| 21:25.42 | kari_ | c1sco: sure |
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| 21:25.45 | setuid | bsims: unsafe right now |
| 21:25.55 | setuid | bsims: hold off for a few days/week until packages are stabilized |
| 21:25.59 | bsims | setuid: I figgured as much |
| 21:26.02 | plugwash | jon787 ahh that makes more sense |
| 21:26.05 | jon787 | welll... ftp-master loads the stuff from incoming at that time |
| 21:26.13 | bsims | setuid: so what end of month? |
| 21:26.13 | stew | cbr: many of the package names are different, different structure of the packages, lots of stuff |
| 21:26.13 | setuid | There's a huge shitpile of conflicts right now |
| 21:26.14 | jon787 | the primary mirrors sync for the next 2 hours |
| 21:26.17 | kari_ | I tried ftp.debian.org too, in case my local mirror was off for some case |
| 21:26.32 | plugwash | i'm sure i read it was midnight |
| 21:26.39 | bsims | heh, I guess the days of the Friday dist-upgrade are over <g> |
| 21:26.42 | stew | cbr: if you have xorg installed from anywhere non-debian you need to remove all xorg related packages before you install the official ones |
| 21:26.42 | zulkifar | EdibleText: I've just executed installer and at partitionin phase now. I switched to another console, ls /dev, and so _no_ hd* devices! How else they could be called? |
| 21:26.42 | cbr | stew, so when i want to replace my xorg with the official one, will it be painful? |
| 21:26.49 | arnon | is there any kernel error message log somewhere...? |
| 21:26.52 | setuid | cbr: yes |
| 21:26.59 | zulkifar | s/so/see |
| 21:27.03 | bsims | cbr: apt-get purge, apt-get install? |
| 21:27.04 | raf256 | yo |
| 21:27.09 | setuid | Man, I can't even install abiword ;( |
| 21:27.09 | cbr | whats purge? |
| 21:27.12 | jetx | man, i let the libaspell whatever take kde away, and my fonts are greatly improved! (really) |
| 21:27.21 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge |
| 21:27.23 | bsims | apt-get remove --purge |
| 21:27.34 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 21:27.55 | streuner | AGAIN, if you guys running unstable/sid - deal with consequesenses OR just don't run it |
| 21:27.57 | setuid | urgh |
| 21:28.06 | setuid | gdm, gnome-panel, etc. are broken too now |
| 21:28.07 | stew | streuner: hear hear |
| 21:28.17 | streuner | stew: yeah :-) |
| 21:28.52 | cbr | so the official xorg breaks shit? |
| 21:29.09 | cbr | streuner, it's not in yet imho |
| 21:29.11 | jon787 | cbr: not for me |
| 21:29.12 | raf256 | can I make my debian share his downloaded packages and apt-get cache with other boxes? to work like sort of apt-get proxy server? |
| 21:29.12 | kari_ | I'll just wait until the archives get updated. X is not that critical to me. I was just wondering if things got changed in some unexpected way. Thanks. |
| 21:29.12 | deadcat | nothing will break. |
| 21:29.13 | jon787 | maybe I gut lucky |
| 21:29.24 | cbr | jon787, did you have xorg before? |
| 21:29.25 | jon787 | raf256: yes |
| 21:29.28 | jon787 | cbr: no |
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| 21:29.33 | raf256 | jon787: where to read on it? |
| 21:29.34 | EdibleText | zulkifar, first let netinstall detect the hw; cfdisk /dev/discs/disc0/disc |
| 21:29.37 | jon787 | raf256: NFS export /var/lib/apt and /var/cache/apt |
| 21:29.52 | jon787 | make sure /etc/apt/sources.list are the same on all the machines |
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| 21:30.00 | jon787 | now you run "apt-get update" on one machine |
| 21:30.04 | raf256 | hmmm |
| 21:30.06 | stew | raf256: apt-proxy apt-cache apt-move |
| 21:30.20 | jon787 | but you still need to run apt-get upgrade on all of them |
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| 21:30.25 | jon787 | or install |
| 21:30.34 | stew | raf256: s/cache/cacher/ |
| 21:30.35 | c1sco- | kari_ i got disconnected |
| 21:30.42 | c1sco- | kari_ are you using sid? |
| 21:30.51 | kari_ | c1sco-: yes |
| 21:31.17 | stew | !xorg |
| 21:31.17 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html |
| 21:31.36 | kari_ | I'll just wait until the archives get the rest of the dependencies |
| 21:31.45 | stew | dpkg xorg=~ s/It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready.// |
| 21:31.45 | dpkg | stew: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:31.56 | stew | dpkg xorg =~ s/It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready.// |
| 21:31.56 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 21:32.04 | stew | !get xorg |
| 21:32.04 | dpkg | from memory, get xorg is Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. Ask me about <xorg debs> - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. No I don't notice any slowdown. You just need a good graphics card with OpenGL. |
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| 21:32.32 | resiak | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 21:32.50 | cbr | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 21:32.51 | resiak | Bah, someone told me that it had entered. |
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| 21:33.10 | kari_ | I guess I'll continue kicking my ITA package around then. |
| 21:33.16 | stew | dpkg: no get xorg is <reply> xorg recently entered unstable. EXPECT MAJOR BREAKAGE. if you were previously running xorg debs from any other source you must remove all traces of xorg packages before you install the official xorg packages |
| 21:33.16 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 21:33.16 | ryan- | is there any way to use an apt-proxy server when installing sarge? |
| 21:33.38 | streuner | cbr: due to the fact that packages.debian.org hasn't those infos, dpkg don't have it as well... |
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| 21:34.34 | cbr | streuner, it isnt in the repos yet too, is it? |
| 21:34.43 | streuner | cbr: yes |
| 21:34.56 | cbr | yes, it isnt or yes it is |
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| 21:35.00 | stew | cbr: i believe its only in i386 |
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| 21:35.06 | streuner | cbr: debs are in the mirrors now |
| 21:35.08 | pego | hi iin what package i can find nome-settings-daemon. ? please |
| 21:35.16 | rbochan | stew: do you know if full removal of kde 3.4 will be necessary once it's in the deb repositories? |
| 21:35.28 | streuner | cbr: for i386 - for other archs you have to wait till tomorrow |
| 21:35.33 | stew | rbochan: you should not need to remove kde |
| 21:35.37 | rbochan | ok, thanks |
| 21:35.49 | rbochan | was hoping that :) |
| 21:35.53 | jetx | are ya'll saying that xorg is imminent? |
| 21:35.54 | Jaak | man, do i need to dist-upgrade? it will remove lotsa stuff |
| 21:36.00 | Outlaw84 | I have got my internet connection on eth1 and my home network on eth0 how do I share the internet connection? |
| 21:36.17 | jetx | or kde3.4 |
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| 21:36.20 | stew | jetx: xorg is in debian unstable for i386 |
| 21:36.28 | jetx | heh... uh-oh |
| 21:36.32 | Jaak | including xdb AND gdm -.- |
| 21:36.32 | cbr | stew, it's not in my debian unstable imho |
| 21:36.37 | stew | cbr: it is |
| 21:36.44 | jetx | !info xorg sid |
| 21:36.57 | jetx | what's it called |
| 21:37.02 | zulkifar | EdibleText: yes, it is there. Does this mean I have to pass that path to root= ? ( /dev/discs/disc0/part2 ) |
| 21:37.02 | Jaak | !info xorg |
| 21:37.03 | streuner | jetx: you don't listen what i said 1 minute ago |
| 21:37.10 | stew | xserver-xorg, but its too new for dpkg to know about it yet |
| 21:37.17 | ryan- | Outlaw84: You can do that with iptables. there's some docs about it on tldp.org |
| 21:37.18 | stew | cbr: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages <- its in there |
| 21:37.20 | rbochan | Outlaw84: http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/ |
| 21:37.27 | jetx | no i was going by what stew said, not reading in here atm |
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| 21:37.34 | madclicker | hey guys, is there a M$ cahnnel on freenode |
| 21:37.36 | EdibleText | Outlaw84, edit /etc/network/options change ip_forward=yes |
| 21:37.37 | jetx | /lastlog streuner |
| 21:37.37 | madclicker | ? |
| 21:37.45 | osity | can anyone walk me through a software raid 1 setup? |
| 21:37.50 | c1sco- | madclicker why are you asking in #debian |
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| 21:37.54 | stew | madclicker: /msg chanserv list win* |
| 21:37.56 | osity | hardware is all setup |
| 21:37.57 | ShaiW | hei |
| 21:38.01 | stew | madclicker: err list #win* |
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| 21:38.02 | madclicker | stew: thnks |
| 21:38.04 | c1sco- | madclicker /j #windows |
| 21:38.04 | EdibleText | zulkifar, hmm good point . I dont know . I just started playing with the netinstall disk last night. |
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| 21:38.31 | ShaiW | I took your advice and I install windows as we speak, should I do any special configurations if I want it to run properly after I install debian? |
| 21:38.37 | jetx | madclicker: afaik, no. |
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| 21:39.29 | cbr | stew, ah yes, local repo was outdated |
| 21:40.00 | cbr | hmm.. nothing is gonna be removed |
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| 21:40.08 | cbr | and it's just as the linux-systeme one |
| 21:40.14 | cbr | it replaces the packages |
| 21:40.23 | cbr | all seems to be good |
| 21:40.37 | zulkifar | EdibleText: just checked - doesn't work. But this is clear - there are no drivers loaded yet... I NEED WOODY CD! :) |
| 21:40.42 | jetx | !find xorg |
| 21:40.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xorg' (1): (/usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf) in x11/xresprobe. |
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| 21:41.07 | cbr | so anyone has xorg installed allready? |
| 21:41.14 | cbr | from official |
| 21:41.23 | jetx | give me time |
| 21:41.24 | rbochan | heh |
| 21:41.31 | rbochan | let me fire up my laptop |
| 21:41.45 | madclicker | stew: would i be able to see the number of folks on cannel/ |
| 21:41.47 | madclicker | ? |
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| 21:42.01 | stew | madclicker: /list #channelname |
| 21:42.13 | madclicker | stew: roger |
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| 21:42.34 | Jaak | oh wow, its not borked |
| 21:42.37 | cbr | what's xbase-clients though? it wants to uninstall kde |
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| 21:42.49 | jetx | i thought i'd wait to upgrade untill my dvd is finished burning |
| 21:42.58 | jetx | everything wants to uninstall kde |
| 21:43.04 | jetx | even aspell |
| 21:43.05 | EdibleText | Outlaw84, do you have iptables installed? run iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXT_IFACE -j SNAT --to $EXT_IP ; fill in the appropriate values for the $VARIABLES |
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| 21:43.21 | Jaak | yeah, same with gnome... testinh is majory borked so it seems :P |
| 21:43.24 | madclicker | jetx: one of my client has an 2k3 server, it decided to loose its" c: drive letter" dont know who to shoot bill or myself? |
| 21:43.24 | rbochan | EdibleText: have you seen this? http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/ |
| 21:43.25 | Jaak | testing* |
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| 21:43.39 | sarge_man | Hi all |
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| 21:43.59 | sarge_man | do you ever have try to install metisse on a sarge |
| 21:44.04 | stew | Jaak: testing is not majorly borked, gnome in testing should be completely functional |
| 21:44.17 | resiak | sarge_man: Why not just ask your question? |
| 21:44.37 | jetx | madclicker: can't you reassign it in the logical disk manager? |
| 21:44.47 | EdibleText | rbochan, cool! it crashed firefox :) |
| 21:44.49 | Jaak | stew: it works... but when i want to dist-upgrade it wants to move xdm and gdm and x-window and some stuff more |
| 21:45.03 | stew | Jaak: what do you mean by move? |
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| 21:45.07 | Jaak | more* |
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| 21:45.14 | useruser | what's this all about? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 21:45.15 | rbochan | EdibleText: are you serious? |
| 21:45.16 | Jaak | erm... |
| 21:45.20 | EdibleText | rbochan, yup |
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| 21:45.21 | Jaak | move? |
| 21:45.23 | cbr | Jaak, xorg works? |
| 21:45.27 | Ronin | well evolution didnt like somethign in the last upgrade |
| 21:45.30 | Jaak | oh, REmove |
| 21:45.35 | stew | cbr: Jaak is on etch |
| 21:45.36 | bluefox | wtf! |
| 21:45.41 | bluefox | who stole my nickname! |
| 21:45.44 | rbochan | EdibleText: that's screwy, it doesn't here |
| 21:45.47 | Hostile | damnit |
| 21:45.47 | bluefox | grrr |
| 21:45.48 | cbr | ah |
| 21:45.54 | Hostile | xorg broke my nvidia |
| 21:46.02 | stew | useruser: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 21:46.06 | resiak | Hostile: O nos! |
| 21:46.15 | Hostile | libmesa-glu but it is not going to be installed or |
| 21:46.15 | Hostile | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.15 | Hostile | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.16 | madclicker | jetx: nope, i have an intel H/W raid on 875 chipset. Two partitions (c: d:) the system is up and running but when i check the disk manager the first partition healty and active but no drive letter |
| 21:46.22 | Hostile | nvidia-glx fails :( |
| 21:46.26 | cbr | hmm.. it wants to upgrade to some gcc4 abi lib, which uninstalls all of kde |
| 21:46.27 | bluefox | heh, i must be connected... |
| 21:46.27 | stew | Jaak: try apt-get install xdm gdm x-window.... anything you wish to keep |
| 21:46.28 | EdibleText | rbochan, perhaps it was starved for mem.. i had many tabs open.. perhaps even a homestarrunner flash |
| 21:46.34 | rbochan | heh |
| 21:46.37 | cbr | come on, kde team, change the abi already |
| 21:46.43 | Hostile | deadcat, you there? |
| 21:46.49 | jon787 | Hostile: hmm I'm not having any troubles with nvidia |
| 21:46.54 | cbr | okay, i'm going for xorg |
| 21:46.57 | cbr | wish me luck |
| 21:46.58 | cbr | :p |
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| 21:46.58 | resiak | cbr: TOPIC! :) |
| 21:47.03 | cbr | prolly gonna b0rk it though |
| 21:47.11 | Hostile | jon787, I cant install nvidia-glx |
| 21:47.15 | Jaak | stew: nah, ill leave it as it is now... like its sayd, don't fix what's not broken :) |
| 21:47.15 | sarge_man | does anywone can help me |
| 21:47.28 | Hostile | it needs xlibmesa-glu |
| 21:47.31 | bluefox83 | that was odd.. |
| 21:47.40 | rbochan | now why would xinerama be installed? |
| 21:47.48 | Hostile | but if I install xlibmesa-glu it uninstalls all my kde apps and my whole Xserver |
| 21:47.50 | sarge_man | I need to install this http://insitu.lri.fr/~chapuis/metisse/download_install.html |
| 21:48.07 | jon787 | Hostile: well I had nvidia-glx already installed, maybe mine is using a package with vanished |
| 21:48.10 | sarge_man | on a sarge but I have an error message after the "make" |
| 21:48.10 | Rixa | no probs with nvidia and xorg here, but I left xbase-clients and xutils as they were, along with everything they'd pull with them. |
| 21:48.11 | stew | Jaak: i don't recommend running a half way dist-upgraded system |
| 21:48.23 | cbr | this is gonna suck when it breaks my xorg though... |
| 21:48.24 | Hostile | jon787, I had it installed too |
| 21:48.31 | Hostile | jon787, but when I dist-upgraded it removed it |
| 21:48.42 | jon787 | Hostile: lol |
| 21:48.46 | Hostile | damnit |
| 21:48.49 | Hostile | this sucks |
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| 21:49.15 | useruser | stew: i don't understand - i ran apt-key add /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg but it still complains when i try to install new stuff |
| 21:49.16 | Jaak | stew: ive been running it like this for like few weeks now |
| 21:49.17 | Jaak | :P |
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| 21:49.28 | jon787 | okay I've suddenly realized that just dist-upgrading doesn't do it |
| 21:49.36 | Hostile | jon787, ? |
| 21:49.44 | jon787 | Hostile: dpkg -l | grep 4\.3\.0 |
| 21:49.47 | sarge_man | help |
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| 21:49.55 | shishi | hello all |
| 21:49.56 | jon787 | my laptop was still had xserver-xfree86 on it |
| 21:49.57 | sarge_man | meday :) |
| 21:49.59 | useruser | stew: maybe i should run apt-get update? i'm trying that |
| 21:50.00 | jon787 | and was using it! |
| 21:50.08 | caphuso | jon787: you need to double the slashes. or use fgrep |
| 21:50.20 | Hostile | jon787, yeah I still have xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:50.21 | Hostile | remove it? |
| 21:50.28 | jon787 | caphuso: good point, but it doesn't end up mattering here |
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| 21:50.29 | shishi | Since a week ,can't compil 2.6.11 :( i have same error but no joy on google or others ... |
| 21:50.31 | EdibleText | how can I modify [Label] from cfdisk.. the ncurses netinstall partitioner creates them but I need to change them |
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| 21:50.51 | Rixa | mm. I first purged xserver-xfree86, then installed xserver-xorg, then dist-upgraded. |
| 21:51.00 | resiak | shishi: What makes you think that #debian is the place for kernel problems? And are we supposed to guess what the error was? |
| 21:51.05 | drac | Hostile: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install x-window-system should fetch X.Org. |
| 21:51.17 | shishi | I have this :/drivers/char/isicom.c:154:array type has implete element |
| 21:51.25 | shishi | I have this :/drivers/char/isicom.c:155:array type has implete element |
| 21:51.28 | Hostile | x-window-system is already the newest version |
| 21:51.31 | Jaak | drac: just installing like this works? |
| 21:51.38 | shishi | I have this :/drivers/char/isicom.c:155:array type has incomplete element |
| 21:51.40 | cbr | Downloading file 55 of 88... |
| 21:51.44 | shishi | I have this :/drivers/char/isicom.c:154:array type has incomplete element |
| 21:51.47 | rbochan | cbr: heh |
| 21:51.51 | Hostile | but it broke my nvidia :( |
| 21:51.51 | drac | Jaak: Should yes, worked for me. |
| 21:52.09 | Jaak | and all the other stuff aswell, ie. gnome... gdm? |
| 21:52.25 | Jaak | what dist-upgrade wants to remove so much |
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| 21:52.37 | resiak | shishi: Why did you need to paste that four times? |
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| 21:52.51 | shishi | resiak: sorry |
| 21:52.52 | raissa | oi |
| 21:52.52 | resiak | shishi: So disable that device? Why are you recompiling your kernel? |
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| 21:53.09 | shishi | resiak: i don't find what is this device |
| 21:53.11 | useruser | stew: that fixed the official repositories but it doesn't like ftp.nerim.net so much |
| 21:53.30 | stew | useruser: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 21:53.51 | raissa | hay |
| 21:54.06 | stew | Jaak: are you sure you are upgrading to etch and not sid? |
| 21:54.41 | resiak | shishi: Why are you compiling your own? |
| 21:54.42 | rbochan | doobie doobie doo |
| 21:54.46 | Solet-deb | are usb drives perfectly hot swapable? or do i have to do something equivilant to "safely remove hardware" like with micro$oft? |
| 21:54.59 | caphuso | Solet-deb: no, yes |
| 21:55.01 | Jaak | stew: want me to paste /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:55.02 | shishi | resiak: i use intel centrino with it |
| 21:55.06 | empty | Solet-deb, obviously sync and unmount to be sure |
| 21:55.15 | stew | haha: http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-xorg.png |
| 21:55.18 | shishi | and i have a SATA disk on my laptop W3 asus |
| 21:55.30 | useruser | stew: following those instructions gives me gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
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| 21:55.46 | Bamgard | hi |
| 21:56.00 | jon787 | so is anyone selling shirts yet for "I survived the xorg switch?" |
| 21:56.16 | rbochan | jon787: heh |
| 21:56.16 | cbr | installing xorg |
| 21:56.18 | cbr | no going back now |
| 21:56.18 | resiak | shishi: Does the SATA work at the moment? |
| 21:56.27 | stew | useruser: is that the same as: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html ? if so, ask marillat, not us |
| 21:56.33 | useruser | stew: yeah, ok |
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| 21:56.44 | shishi | resiak: under 2.4.27 kernel it work perfect |
| 21:56.45 | plugwash | anyone know approximately what time packages.debian.org updates? |
| 21:56.45 | Solet-deb | does nautulus have a way of doing the sync and umount through graphical means? or do i have to do it in console? |
| 21:56.58 | cbr | what does dfsg mean btw? |
| 21:57.01 | stew | Jaak: if you wish: /msg dpkg paster ; |
| 21:57.06 | shishi | resiak: i try ton use kernel-image-2.6.11 but kernel panic error at boot :( |
| 21:57.07 | stew | !dfsg |
| 21:57.07 | dpkg | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 21:57.09 | raf256 | do we have electornics group? |
| 21:57.15 | cbr | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:57.15 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.16 | cbr | ah shit |
| 21:57.21 | resiak | shishi: Does SATA work with 2.6.8? |
| 21:57.22 | raf256 | like developing apps for ATMEGA microcontrollers |
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| 21:57.29 | raf256 | resiak: afair yes |
| 21:57.37 | shishi | resiak: i don't try 2.6.8 kernel source |
| 21:57.44 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.44 | cbr | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 21:57.52 | resiak | shishi: Did you try a 2.6.8 kernel-image ? |
| 21:58.01 | shishi | resiak: no at this time |
| 21:58.03 | Solet-deb | does nautulus have a way of doing the sync and umount through graphical means? or do i have to do it in console? |
| 21:58.11 | resiak | shishi: Why not try those? |
| 21:58.24 | resiak | !tell Solet-deb -about repeat |
| 21:58.36 | resiak | Solet-deb: Right-click, "unmount". |
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| 21:58.54 | rob_lt | raf256, if you find anything, let me know. I'm doing some stuff on a motorolla HC11 with minicom right now |
| 21:58.54 | paulswm | !prize resiak |
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| 21:59.06 | resiak | paulswm: Afternoon. |
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| 21:59.14 | shishi | resiak: cause i don't think about them , and , in my mind new kernel is more efficent with new hardware |
| 21:59.16 | resiak | paulswm: Well, evening for you too, I guess. |
| 21:59.26 | paulswm | resiak: Good evening :) |
| 21:59.32 | resiak | shishi: Why not try and find a kernel-image that works? |
| 21:59.33 | ecko | Hey, does anyone know how to force the removal of a package |
| 21:59.45 | resiak | ecko: man dpkg does |
| 21:59.53 | Bamgard | ecko, try with dpkg --force --purge-all |
| 21:59.53 | Solet-deb | resiak: umount isnt an option |
| 21:59.54 | raf256 | rob_lt: well the ATMEGAs seem to be nicelly support by gcc (avr-gcc , or gcc-avr was it) |
| 22:00.02 | ecko | I have the xorg upgrade going on but my xorg-common which provides xorg is not removable |
| 22:00.03 | bzk | hello guys. could it be that the current nvidia linux driver (7667) is incompatible with the 2.6.12.2 kernel? |
| 22:00.13 | raf256 | rob_lt: so you are an electric enginner? (Im just n00b/hobbyst) ;) |
| 22:00.13 | Bamgard | ecko, oops, dpkg --force-all --purge |
| 22:00.21 | shishi | resiak: i try , ok. |
| 22:00.22 | raf256 | bzk: no |
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| 22:00.28 | raf256 | bzk: I run nvidia + 2.6.12.2 |
| 22:00.33 | resiak | ecko: <-------- this is how much it sucks to be you ------> |
| 22:00.47 | raf256 | !pal ecko |
| 22:00.49 | resiak | bzk: It _could_ be. :) |
| 22:00.58 | ecko | resiak, wow |
| 22:01.03 | stew | ecko: why is it not removable? |
| 22:01.05 | withdraw | how do i replace the gdm login screen with a simple text based one |
| 22:01.08 | bzk | raf256: after compiling the module with nvidia-installer it fails to load |
| 22:01.13 | stew | withdraw: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 22:01.30 | ecko | /etc/X11/Xsession is a part of that and the new x11-common |
| 22:01.32 | resiak | withdraw: Any particular reason why? |
| 22:01.37 | rbochan | xorg looking good so far... |
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| 22:01.51 | raf256 | !xorgsmite ecko |
| 22:01.56 | bzk | raf256: telling me it would probably be the wrong version of kernel sources. but they definitely are the correct version. |
| 22:02.04 | raf256 | bzk: strange |
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| 22:02.09 | rob_lt | raf256, I've got a physics degree (not that it's doing me any damn good right now), and did some micro stuff for a digital lab |
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| 22:02.36 | mabus | any of you know something about openVMS? |
| 22:02.36 | jetx | holy shit it want to take everything! |
| 22:02.36 | mabus | any of you know something about openVMS? |
| 22:02.40 | ecko | raf256, You are about as unhelpful as possible, I'm sure you get lots of girls with your smpiteful computer nerdism |
| 22:02.45 | cbr | X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 20050709222802 david@squee.verizon.net) |
| 22:02.46 | raf256 | bzk: I just downloaded kerne.org's 2.6.12.2, make / make_modules / install it, reboot into it, install nvidia drivers from console, and itworks. Perhaps update the nvidia? |
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| 22:02.48 | ecko | welcome to my ignore list |
| 22:02.48 | cbr | yehaa!! |
| 22:02.56 | cbr | nvidia works, glxgears fps went up, yay for xorg |
| 22:02.58 | jon787 | okay I just hit the nvidia-glx problem, seems its more of a result of the ABI change than the xorg change |
| 22:03.04 | raf256 | ecko: yes, actually Im hoping to score 16yo this week \o/ |
| 22:03.18 | raf256 | (with is legal in PL, btw... ;) |
| 22:03.20 | resiak | Wow, I don't remember making xorgsmite :) |
| 22:03.24 | rbochan | hurray! |
| 22:03.30 | bzk | raf256 could it be that the geforce go 6200 turbocache is unsupported by the 7667? |
| 22:03.33 | rbochan | cbr: nice eh? |
| 22:03.36 | ecko | stew, Is there anyway to force the upgrade |
| 22:03.40 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.41 | ecko | to overwrite the package |
| 22:03.43 | cbr | rbochan: finally |
| 22:03.47 | resiak | ecko: man dpkg |
| 22:03.51 | raf256 | bzk: dont now, I have 5200 fx... why not ask at nvidia's formm |
| 22:03.54 | krono | some ot: anyone knows an ldap-channel ? |
| 22:03.54 | Jaak | cbr: niisiis, lihtsalt Ć¼le installimine aitas? |
| 22:03.55 | raf256 | resiak: 1982... ;) |
| 22:03.56 | Jaak | :) |
| 22:03.57 | stew | ecko: you are trying to install the official xorg packages over unofficial ones? |
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| 22:04.16 | mabus | openVMS |
| 22:04.17 | cbr | i didn't install some packages because they wanted various parts of the system would have been trashed.. luckily i had the linux-systeme one under it before |
| 22:04.18 | bzk | raf256: the supported cards list contains geforce 6200 turbocache as well as geforce go 6200, but not geforce go 6200 turbocache.. |
| 22:04.18 | raf256 | ecko: I reccomend to not use Xorg until it makes it into testing |
| 22:04.20 | cbr | Jaak: jep |
| 22:04.33 | raf256 | bzk: perhaps unsuported..... hm |
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| 22:04.48 | resiak | raf256: You say 16yo is legal in .pl as if it wasn't elsewhere :) |
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| 22:04.51 | raf256 | bzk: it fails to load, or to compile kernel interface? |
| 22:05.09 | Ronin | may be legal but not to smart to do if your older then that |
| 22:05.13 | rob_lt | raf256, just FYI, there is a debian specific way of making a custom kernel, using "kernel-package" |
| 22:05.15 | ubuntu | will someone tell me the version of kde in sid at the present time? |
| 22:05.22 | raf256 | resiak: well... in the uh-oh-god-bless-me-and-lets-kill-towelheads-land, it is not. Also it is illegal for them to drink beer until 21 yo \o/ |
| 22:05.24 | Esaj | ubuntu: 3.3 |
| 22:05.24 | stew | ubuntu: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 22:05.25 | raf256 | !pal Americans |
| 22:05.27 | ubuntu | ty |
| 22:05.32 | ecko | Ok I fixed :) |
| 22:05.45 | ecko | I couldn't get my syntax right I guess, the upgrade went nicely :) |
| 22:05.47 | bzk | raf256: to load. compiles without problems. (after i had to specify --kernel-output-path and --kernel-source-path, which i never had to before..) |
| 22:05.50 | raf256 | rob_lt: I know, thnx... but I didnt liked it, seemed compilcated and I like the normal way |
| 22:05.51 | ecko | thanks stew |
| 22:06.00 | Gnea | !helixsmite polish |
| 22:06.01 | resiak | raf256: I find Americans very funny. May I /msg you to avoid OT channel spam? |
| 22:06.09 | raf256 | resiak: yes why not |
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| 22:06.28 | idimmu | hi |
| 22:06.29 | raf256 | !bushsmite Gnea |
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| 22:06.42 | ecko | brb lets see this thing crash and burn :-P |
| 22:06.42 | Gnea | raf256: back off and cut the crap. |
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| 22:06.57 | raf256 | Gnea: do you want a bigger peace of it? |
| 22:07.02 | nicknicknick | hey what's the best way to limit the bandwith of each client to 1Mbit/sec using apache2? |
| 22:07.08 | Jaak | meh, apt-get install x-window-system after dist-upgrade didn't fetch me anything |
| 22:07.11 | Gnea | raf256: people were right about you poles |
| 22:07.26 | paulswm | raf256: I am a Brit living in the US and I would ask you to keep gratuitous insults out of the support channel, thank you vey much. |
| 22:07.34 | Jaak | aw rats... now im like totally xdmless, gdmless, gnomeless etc. |
| 22:07.47 | raf256 | paulswm: ok no problem. Btw I _ofcourse_ ment the usa goverment, not all americans :) |
| 22:07.55 | Jaak | better not reboot -.- |
| 22:08.12 | withdraw | what was that msg to dpkg to tell me about removng gmd |
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| 22:08.15 | withdraw | *gdm |
| 22:08.17 | Gnea | raf256: you should have specified that. |
| 22:08.17 | stew | Jaak: apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 22:08.23 | stew | withdraw: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 22:08.28 | withdraw | thnz |
| 22:08.38 | Jaak | stew: same |
| 22:08.39 | Jaak | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:08.45 | Jaak | and then list of "crap" |
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| 22:09.21 | stew | Jaak: paste your sources.list into #flood |
| 22:10.02 | raf256 | Gnea: you should also specyfie "you poles" ;) (you realize most of the time here Im joking a bit..:) |
| 22:10.17 | Gnea | raf256: i see .pl in your /whois ;) |
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| 22:10.43 | cbr | can i somehow remove a package without broken packages being installed? |
| 22:10.53 | cbr | like forceremove or smth? |
| 22:11.18 | cbr | You might want to run āapt-get -f installā to correct these: |
| 22:11.18 | cbr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:11.28 | stew | cbr: did you run apt-get -f install? |
| 22:11.33 | cbr | no |
| 22:11.37 | stew | cbr: you probably shouldn't be running unstable |
| 22:11.41 | cbr | should i? |
| 22:11.43 | stew | no |
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| 22:11.51 | caphuso | it seems a lot of people shouldn't be running unstable... |
| 22:11.56 | stew | should you waht? run apt-get -f install? yes |
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| 22:12.05 | paulswm | No shit, caphuso :) |
| 22:12.11 | stew | caphuso: yeah, and we are going to get a flood of them in the next few days |
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| 22:12.27 | kingsley_ | What's a good utility for converting latex to ascii? |
| 22:12.28 | deadcat | stew: why is that? |
| 22:12.28 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.29 | cbr | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 22:12.31 | resiak | caphuso: At last, we have a recent example of why people really _shouldn't_ run Sid. |
| 22:12.31 | cbr | still get this |
| 22:12.44 | caphuso | well, i can easily establish a "ask for help with x.org or c++ and get kicked the hell out of #debian" policy >:-) |
| 22:12.55 | cbr | and when i try to remove xorg-common, it wants to install x11-common before |
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| 22:12.58 | paulswm | Doo eeet |
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| 22:13.32 | cbr | can i tell apt-get to first remove xorg-common and THEN install x11-common |
| 22:13.35 | glick | excuse me how do i set up minicom? when i type minicom i get can not open /dev/ttyS1 |
| 22:13.35 | cbr | then maybe it'd work |
| 22:13.38 | p30n | Anyone that could help me with mdadm here? |
| 22:13.53 | stew | deadcat: becuase we are going to get a flood of people trying to install the probably broken xorg packages and have no idea how to fix their systems |
| 22:14.12 | stew | cbr: apt-get install xorg-common- x11-common |
| 22:14.28 | stew | cbr: is the xorg-common a packge from an unofficial source? |
| 22:14.40 | cbr | yes |
| 22:14.42 | caphuso | stew: of course it is |
| 22:14.55 | cbr | the xorg-common is 3rdparty |
| 22:14.56 | glick | does anyone know how to set up minicom for debian to connect to an ultra sparc 10? |
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| 22:15.08 | stew | cbr: i told *you* specifically to remove all traces of 3rd party packages |
| 22:15.12 | dk0r | im on debian-ppc. can anyone tell me how to setup wifi ?? |
| 22:15.15 | stew | cbr: and you watched me update the get xorg factoid |
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| 22:15.34 | ZuLLu | hello guys, do you know any chanel specialy created for pppoe, ppp over lan or things like that? |
| 22:15.38 | cbr | stew: well synaptic updated them all.. so i thought i could do it that way :p |
| 22:15.38 | stew | 17:26 < stew> cbr: if you have xorg installed from anywhere non-debian you need to remove all xorg related |
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| 22:15.53 | c1sco | zullu which distro, debian? |
| 22:15.56 | cbr | but when installing it kinda failed |
| 22:16.05 | cbr | on that one package |
| 22:16.08 | empty | cbr IOW you added unofficial repositories by hand at some point |
| 22:16.19 | cbr | iow? |
| 22:16.25 | empty | In Other Words |
| 22:16.26 | ZuLLu | c1sco, any distro |
| 22:16.26 | c1sco | lol, iow? |
| 22:16.30 | cbr | empty: yes |
| 22:16.44 | dk0r | im new to linux, on debian-ppc. can anyone tell me how to setup wifi ?? |
| 22:16.45 | c1sco | zullu well if you knew what distro your using that might help |
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| 22:17.02 | c1sco | dk0r get a supported card |
| 22:17.03 | exobyte | is there anything I should google for setting up a linux box with a dialup connection so a windows box can control the dialing with upnp? |
| 22:17.06 | ZuLLu | i currently use debian for my routing needs but i want to implement user authentification |
| 22:17.21 | cbr | stew: so is there any way to uninstall the third party xorg-common? |
| 22:17.30 | dk0r | c1sco: I have an orinoco classic gold. and i have the built in apple wifi card |
| 22:17.30 | c1sco | zullu radius? |
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| 22:17.43 | glick | does anyone know why minicom cant find ttyS1? |
| 22:17.43 | raf256 | !\o/ |
| 22:17.44 | dk0r | c1sco: will the apple one work? or must i use the pcmcia card?? |
| 22:17.48 | c1sco | dk0r no |
| 22:17.57 | c1sco | dk0r the orinoco is the shit tho |
| 22:17.58 | empty | glick, does your user have rw permissions on that dev? |
| 22:17.58 | raf256 | !\o/ |
| 22:17.59 | dpkg | well, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 22:18.01 | Jaak | oops |
| 22:18.05 | ZuLLu | c1sco, i'm googling right now |
| 22:18.07 | c1sco | dk0r your orinoco will work fine |
| 22:18.10 | glick | empty, same message i get as root |
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| 22:18.16 | dk0r | c1sco: how do i set it up? ? |
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| 22:18.32 | empty | glick, no clue then... |
| 22:18.45 | c1sco | dk0r ifconfig as r00t, what interfaces do yousee? |
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| 22:19.06 | dk0r | eth1 and lo |
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| 22:19.22 | slaviero | oi |
| 22:19.23 | dk0r | c1sco: eth1 and lo. I dont have the orinoco plugged in |
| 22:19.27 | c1sco | dk0r if you install debian with the wifi card in debain will install all pacakages |
| 22:19.38 | ^QwErTz^ | hi, im installing debian sarge and I see that it comes with a 2.4 kernel. Can I use a 2.6 kernel with it ? |
| 22:19.39 | c1sco | dk0r try, inserting the card and rebooting |
| 22:19.42 | slaviero | algum brasileiro |
| 22:19.47 | stew | !br |
| 22:19.47 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 22:19.57 | c1sco | dk0r then, ifconfig and see if you have another eth, eth0 or eth2 |
| 22:19.58 | dk0r | c1sco: does this require installation cd be in the drive??? |
| 22:20.03 | c1sco | dk0r no |
| 22:20.06 | deadcat | ^QwErTz^: ya. type linux26 during cd bootup |
| 22:20.09 | dk0r | c1sco: ty brb |
| 22:20.15 | c1sco | dk0r np |
| 22:20.15 | ^QwErTz^ | ah |
| 22:20.17 | ^QwErTz^ | damn |
| 22:20.18 | ^QwErTz^ | lol |
| 22:20.20 | deadcat | ^QwErTz^: change your nick |
| 22:20.20 | ^QwErTz^ | too late |
| 22:20.26 | slaviero | poio |
| 22:20.28 | c1sco | ^QwErTz^ you can use either |
| 22:20.46 | glick | hmm |
| 22:20.48 | stew | ^QwErTz^: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 ; pick one ; apt-get install it |
| 22:20.52 | glick | wtf where are my serial devices?! |
| 22:21.14 | stew | QwErTz-: or if you haven't yet installed type linux26 at the boot: prompt of the installer |
| 22:21.16 | c1sco | QwErTz- if you hit f2 or f3 during the beginning of the install you will see the options |
| 22:21.19 | slaviero | oi |
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| 22:21.30 | slaviero | algum brasileiro |
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| 22:21.36 | QwErTz- | I installed already.. ill use apt |
| 22:21.39 | stew | !tell slaviero about portuguese |
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| 22:22.33 | QwErTz- | thx for the info |
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| 22:23.18 | ZuLLu | can windows user authenticate themselves to a radius server through pppoe? |
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| 22:24.12 | c1sco | ZuLLu yes |
| 22:24.14 | cbr | stew: this worked: # dpkg -r xorg-common |
| 22:24.25 | c1sco | ZuLLu radius can authenticate any user on the network |
| 22:24.29 | dk0r | c1sco: nope, still eth1 and lo :( |
| 22:24.49 | c1sco | dk0r you have to recompile your kernel and apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 22:24.57 | c1sco | dk0r are you new to linux? |
| 22:25.01 | dk0r | yes sir |
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| 22:25.08 | dk0r | i cant do apt-get |
| 22:25.11 | c1sco | dk0r ever compile a kernel? |
| 22:25.15 | dk0r | nope |
| 22:25.21 | dk0r | :( |
| 22:25.22 | thauros | hi |
| 22:25.24 | stew | c1sco: what kind of card? |
| 22:25.25 | glick | hey in debian what is the first serial port? |
| 22:25.25 | c1sco | dk0r well, you have two options |
| 22:25.27 | glick | ttys1 |
| 22:25.29 | glick | or ttyS1 |
| 22:25.31 | glick | ? |
| 22:25.34 | glick | or ttys0 |
| 22:25.35 | c1sco | stew he has a orinoco |
| 22:25.43 | dk0r | stew: orinoco classic gold |
| 22:25.44 | glick | for my regular serial shit |
| 22:25.48 | stew | dk0r: you don't have to recompile your kernel for that |
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| 22:25.51 | c1sco | dk0r you got the best card there is for linux |
| 22:25.52 | deadcat | dk0r: and it aint working? |
| 22:25.59 | stew | dk0r: what does uname -r say? |
| 22:25.59 | dk0r | coolness |
| 22:26.08 | c1sco | stew no recompile? |
| 22:26.12 | EdibleText | glick, ttyS0 |
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| 22:26.15 | dk0r | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 22:26.17 | c1sco | there is already support in the kernel? |
| 22:26.20 | stew | c1sco: no, orinoco is supported in all the debian kernels |
| 22:26.33 | dk0r | stew: 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 22:26.39 | deadcat | dk0r: http://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=orinoco |
| 22:26.53 | c1sco | stew yeah i know that, but i thought if the card was not in the laptop at install, that it would not add support to the kernel, no? |
| 22:27.01 | glick | EdibleText, minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyS0: No such file or directory |
| 22:27.05 | glick | thats what i get |
| 22:27.08 | stew | c1sco: it installs the same kernel no matter what |
| 22:27.17 | c1sco | stew, my mistake |
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| 22:27.20 | stew | dk0r: modprobe orinoco_cs |
| 22:27.24 | deadcat | dk0r: you have a powerbook? |
| 22:27.37 | c1sco | glick try, minicom -s and try /dev/ttyS1 |
| 22:27.43 | dk0r | stew: done |
| 22:27.46 | glick | c1sco, same error |
| 22:27.47 | EdibleText | glick, is the serial port enabled (from bios0 ? |
| 22:28.00 | glick | EdibleText, from the bios yes it is |
| 22:28.02 | c1sco | glick what port? serial port? |
| 22:28.03 | dk0r | deadcat: yes, 2004 g4 1.5 17" ati |
| 22:28.03 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.07 | glick | c1sco, yes |
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| 22:28.30 | deadcat | dk0r: just use cvs to get those orinoco driver and compile it. works fine here. everything works |
| 22:28.34 | c1sco | glick its plugged directly into a serial port? |
| 22:28.36 | stew | dk0r: apt-get install wireless-toos ; man wireless ; man iwconfig |
| 22:28.45 | glick | c1sco, well its not plugged in yet |
| 22:28.47 | stew | deadcat: is there somehting wrong with the driver in the debian kernel? |
| 22:28.51 | c1sco | glick, ok then |
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| 22:29.00 | c1sco | glick problem solved |
| 22:29.05 | glick | but serial port isnt plug and play |
| 22:29.09 | deadcat | stew: i need orinoco_usb, the default driver works fine i bet. |
| 22:29.25 | EdibleText | glick, dmesg |grep S0 |
| 22:29.33 | c1sco | dk0r your stoked on orinoco, very easy to use with linux |
| 22:29.43 | stew | dk0r: and echo "orinoco_cs" >> /etc/modules ; this will forst the driver for the card to load at boot |
| 22:29.47 | glick | EdibleText, nothing |
| 22:29.47 | deadcat | orinoco sucks now. |
| 22:29.51 | stew | ^forst^force |
| 22:29.56 | c1sco | i love orinoco |
| 22:30.05 | deadcat | and hotplug should already handle orinoco once you jack it in |
| 22:30.15 | c1sco | deadcat true |
| 22:30.17 | EdibleText | glick, should read like ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is 16550a |
| 22:30.20 | empty | every time I see that name I get Sail Away stuck in my head |
| 22:30.33 | glick | EdibleText, maybe serial isnt supported by my kenel? |
| 22:30.40 | c1sco | empty which nick? |
| 22:30.46 | EdibleText | glick, perhaps.. |
| 22:30.54 | EdibleText | glick, self compiled? |
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| 22:31.08 | c1sco | hes gone |
| 22:31.10 | c1sco | lol |
| 22:31.17 | c1sco | bye glick |
| 22:32.09 | EdibleText | empty, fucking great.. now *I* have that song in my head |
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| 22:32.55 | EdibleText | !punish Suzanne Vega |
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| 22:33.28 | c1sco | suzanne vega has balls? |
| 22:33.36 | c1sco | who the hell is suzanne vega anyway? |
| 22:33.39 | Guerin | not any more |
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| 22:33.43 | dk0r | c1sco: after doing "man iwconfig" do i just insert the values where the underlined letters are?? |
| 22:33.44 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 22:33.58 | c1sco | dk0r, type: iwconfig |
| 22:34.03 | c1sco | dk0r what do you see? |
| 22:34.05 | furrywolf | gah! torrent died at 99.9%! 13262 of 13293mb... |
| 22:34.08 | pablum | *gulp* http://www.suzannevega.com/gfxImages/ckbook.jpg (balls?) |
| 22:34.10 | deadcat | i cant seem to get my airport 80211b card to upgrade the firmware. its on 4.16 )= |
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| 22:34.29 | c1sco | pablum work apporpriate? |
| 22:34.32 | Guerin | furrywolf: they do that |
| 22:34.44 | c1sco | !beer Guerin |
| 22:34.45 | pablum | yes, it's ok... |
| 22:34.51 | Fleck | where is the connect command? in which package ? |
| 22:34.53 | Phroziac | hey. Will a minimum installation of debian run on a p1 233 well? |
| 22:34.54 | Guerin | arr, breakfast of champions |
| 22:34.58 | c1sco | lol |
| 22:34.58 | dk0r | c1sco: i see lo, eth0, eth1, sit0, and eth2 which is my orinoco card |
| 22:35.05 | Guerin | Phroziac: how much ram? |
| 22:35.07 | c1sco | dk0r |
| 22:35.11 | Phroziac | Guerin: 64mb |
| 22:35.12 | c1sco | dk0r you have wireless |
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| 22:35.18 | furrywolf | 0.999 distributed copies. |
| 22:35.21 | c1sco | dk0r iwconfig eth2 up |
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| 22:35.24 | dk0r | c1sco: lights are not blinking on card |
| 22:35.29 | c1sco | dk0r no? |
| 22:35.32 | Guerin | Phroziac: yeah, it'll be sweet as long as you don't try anything bloated |
| 22:35.44 | c1sco | dk0r you said its eth2? |
| 22:35.55 | Guerin | Phroziac: that box'll make a great x client |
| 22:35.59 | dk0r | c1sco: yes. |
| 22:36.00 | c1sco | dk0r do: ifconfig eth2 up |
| 22:36.03 | stew | c1sco: what does iwconfig eth2 up do? |
| 22:36.12 | dk0r | c1sco: iwconfig eth2 up was no recognised |
| 22:36.17 | dk0r | not* |
| 22:36.24 | c1sco | stew dk0r, sorry ifconfig eth2 up |
| 22:36.29 | dk0r | unrecognised wireless request up |
| 22:36.33 | dk0r | ah! ifconfig :D |
| 22:36.35 | stew | dk0r: ignore c1sco he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 22:36.43 | deadcat | dk0r: just dhclient eth1 |
| 22:36.45 | dk0r | hey! |
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| 22:36.50 | dk0r | looks like i got the wireless! |
| 22:36.57 | c1sco | deadcat dhclient eth2 |
| 22:37.02 | stew | dk0r: do you know the essid, key, channel, for you ap? |
| 22:37.12 | Phroziac | Guerin: actually my monitor for it is blurry, i'm going to run it and well...I have no idea what i'm going to use it for. |
| 22:37.14 | deadcat | c1sco: my orinoco_usb is eth80211 (= |
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| 22:37.20 | dk0r | stew: essid = ssid ??? |
| 22:37.24 | stew | dk0r: yeah |
| 22:37.25 | Jaak | oh well... so much of graphical fontend |
| 22:37.27 | c1sco | deadcat lol nice |
| 22:37.35 | dk0r | stew: yes |
| 22:37.37 | stew | dk0r: you should man 5 interfaces; and edit /etc/network/interfaces ; and add a stanza for eth2 |
| 22:37.40 | furrywolf | s/dagbone/dogbone |
| 22:37.42 | Jaak | ill best wait for further upgrade and use gentoo meanwhile |
| 22:37.49 | dk0r | stew: what does man 5 interfaces mean ? |
| 22:37.51 | Althaser | in apache how can i know the dir size ? please |
| 22:37.57 | c1sco | dk0r type that |
| 22:38.02 | ShaiW | hmpphh... is there any good reason for using 2.6 kernel if I'm not a developer/programmer and my machine isn't brand new? |
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| 22:38.06 | c1sco | dk0r in a term |
| 22:38.07 | stew | dk0r: type "man 5 interfaces" and it will tell you how to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:38.21 | dk0r | oh i gotcha |
| 22:38.26 | stew | dk0r: or /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 22:38.55 | c1sco | shaiw more drivers |
| 22:39.11 | c1sco | shaiw more support, a little more secure, hopefully |
| 22:39.43 | ShaiW | c1sco, any relevant drivers if each and every part of my machine is at least two years old? |
| 22:40.08 | c1sco | shaiw, prolly not, no, but prolly more security |
| 22:40.09 | stew | ShaiW: you will probably not have a noticible benefit |
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| 22:40.20 | stew | c1sco: more secure how? |
| 22:40.45 | ShaiW | OK, and how "expert" should I be tobe able to cope with expert mode? |
| 22:40.48 | c1sco | stew, there were 21 local kernel vulns found for the linux kernel in the first 3 months of this year |
| 22:40.55 | Kerr | My mic is far far far too quiet (to other people, to audacity) even when i turn on mic boost, max it's volume. Is there a way i can make it come through louder? I'm using a 2.6 kernel, and alsa. |
| 22:41.10 | stew | c1sco: and? |
| 22:41.10 | tom__ | Night Folks. |
| 22:41.12 | Jaak | alsamixer? |
| 22:41.21 | c1sco | stew and linux security is shit |
| 22:41.40 | stew | now there is a convincing argument |
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| 22:41.49 | empty | c1sco, compared to? |
| 22:41.53 | dk0r | ! boy this is confusing! |
| 22:41.53 | dpkg | dk0r: okay |
| 22:41.57 | c1sco | stew kernel developers do not have the word "security" in their vocabulary |
| 22:42.04 | stew | c1sco: troll elsewhere |
| 22:42.04 | c1sco | empty openbsd |
| 22:42.05 | deadcat | !this |
| 22:42.06 | dpkg | What? |
| 22:42.07 | EdibleText | !boy this |
| 22:42.08 | dpkg | What? |
| 22:42.11 | EdibleText | ! boy this |
| 22:42.12 | dpkg | boy this is probably confusing! |
| 22:42.21 | empty | c1sco, I meant something useful |
| 22:42.23 | deadcat | haha. he fucked the bot |
| 22:42.37 | c1sco | empty unix |
| 22:42.43 | stew | dk0r: you probably just want: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 22:42.49 | dk0r | stew: ty |
| 22:42.53 | EdibleText | !forget boy this |
| 22:42.53 | dpkg | i forgot boy this, EdibleText |
| 22:42.57 | empty | c1sco, ah, the security of closed source |
| 22:43.17 | c1sco | empty, if its open souce shouldnt it be the most secure? |
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| 22:43.42 | gudi | hi |
| 22:43.42 | empty | my point exactly :P |
| 22:43.45 | dk0r | anyone from upstate newyork"?! |
| 22:43.53 | c1sco | empty but its not!!!! |
| 22:43.54 | gudi | howto extract .001 archive ? |
| 22:44.02 | stew | gudi: type |
| 22:44.12 | stew | gudi: type "file filename.001" what does it say? |
| 22:44.13 | c1sco | empty shouldnt* being the key** work |
| 22:44.14 | deadcat | gudi: rar x ? |
| 22:44.20 | c1sco | s/work/wod |
| 22:44.24 | c1sco | s/work/word |
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| 22:44.58 | EdibleText | dk0r, new york is a large. 'upstate' could mean west chester or morse forks or the catskill (depending on who you talk too) |
| 22:45.09 | EdibleText | large state. |
| 22:45.23 | gudi | backup.001 is not RAR archive |
| 22:45.24 | stew | upstate is anything above 14th street to me |
| 22:45.31 | stew | gudi: did it come with a .rar? |
| 22:45.32 | dk0r | heh |
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| 22:45.51 | dk0r | gudi: unpack the .rar that came with the .001 - .xxx |
| 22:46.00 | gudi | -bash: type: backup.001 not found |
| 22:46.16 | gudi | no rar with it .. in windows it is possible to unpack it with winrar |
| 22:46.41 | dk0r | try changing .000 to .rar |
| 22:46.45 | stew | gudi: try unrar-nonfree; tell whomever you got it from to distribute files in a sane archive format |
| 22:46.59 | gudi | i use unrar-nonfree |
| 22:47.25 | gudi | hmm got it from a frientd |
| 22:47.47 | c1sco | then, tell your friend not to smoke crack, its bad for his health |
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| 22:48.10 | dk0r | i installed pbbuttonsd, and alsa. where i can i find the config's ? Im on a default debian layout |
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| 22:48.19 | furrywolf | close enough to black I've closed the tab it was in. :P |
| 22:48.20 | gudi | hmm just wonder why it works with winrar an not with rar .. it is not the same ? |
| 22:48.22 | furrywolf | gah, wrong window |
| 22:48.28 | c1sco | dk0r check in /etc |
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| 22:48.34 | dk0r | c1sco: ty |
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| 22:48.55 | deadcat | dk0r: try powerprefs |
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| 22:49.15 | c1sco | gudi your sure your using rar nonfree? |
| 22:49.16 | deadcat | dk0r: also gtkpbbuttons |
| 22:49.16 | dk0r | deadct: located where? or is that a command?? |
| 22:49.34 | deadcat | dk0r: install those 2 pkgs |
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| 22:49.39 | othernoob | hi, i have a printing problem. my prob is that i have a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it and a b/w laser printer. and it won't print it. |
| 22:49.44 | dk0r | deadcat: k. sorry im new |
| 22:49.52 | c1sco | dk0r use apt-get install |
| 22:49.58 | c1sco | dk0r use apt-get install then the package name |
| 22:50.01 | gudi | c1sco, YES |
| 22:50.10 | c1sco | dk0r if you dont know the name, apt-cache search package name |
| 22:50.11 | dk0r | c1sco: im not that bad :D |
| 22:50.17 | c1sco | dk0r, ok |
| 22:50.19 | c1sco | lol |
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| 22:50.24 | dk0r | c1sco: but that last one was a good one. apt-cache |
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| 22:50.55 | c1sco | dk0r, apt is like %50 of the reason why debian is the best, in my opinion, if not more |
| 22:51.05 | dk0r | i like it |
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| 22:51.10 | dk0r | i dont understand it |
| 22:51.11 | c1sco | same here |
| 22:51.14 | QwErTz- | I just used apt for kernel2.6, when I try to boot with it its rebooting |
| 22:51.15 | dk0r | but i like it |
| 22:51.25 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 22:51.35 | c1sco | sup lgd_ |
| 22:51.41 | lgd_ | i have a problem with linux |
| 22:51.43 | dk0r | is gtk a gui??? |
| 22:51.49 | stew | !gtk |
| 22:51.49 | dpkg | well, gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
| 22:52.00 | stew | dk0r: its a widget set |
| 22:52.00 | quitte_ | QwErTz-: sounds like cpu type is wrong |
| 22:52.01 | lgd_ | i load the web in long time |
| 22:52.19 | lgd_ | i have set resolv.conf |
| 22:52.22 | dk0r | stew: if those widgets are anything like the ones in osx 10.4. I think i will pass :) |
| 22:52.32 | lgd_ | but is long the time of load |
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| 22:52.48 | aquarius | awright, dudes. If I've got a Debian machine with two IP addresses (on the same eth card), what do I put in /etc/network/interfaces to tell it that there are two IPs? |
| 22:52.50 | deadcat | dk0r: ya. it makes those apple func keys look like osX |
| 22:52.54 | QwErTz- | quitte_ I used 686, it says its good for PII, PPro and more.. I have a PII 233 |
| 22:53.16 | aquarius | Do I need to use eth0:1 as the example in /usr/share/doc describes, or is that for something else? |
| 22:53.53 | dk0r | deadcat: I just want them to function, no graphics needed. so pbbuttonsd will suffice? |
| 22:53.53 | quitte_ | QwErTz-: if it really is a p2 that should work. sure it's not a pentium mmx instead? |
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| 22:54.13 | quitte_ | QwErTz-: cat /proc/cpuinfo can tell you |
| 22:54.13 | deadcat | dk0r: ya. thats fine |
| 22:54.30 | QwErTz- | you right |
| 22:54.33 | QwErTz- | its MMX |
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| 22:54.40 | quitte_ | QwErTz-: 586 then |
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| 22:54.45 | dk0r | is there a hotkey to close active window? |
| 22:54.56 | quitte_ | alt-f4 in many wms |
| 22:54.56 | stew | dk0r: depends on your window manager |
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| 22:55.17 | withdraw | i have a thinkpad x41 and it has a left, middle, and right mouse button and one of those track points, what should my zaxismapping be in my xf86config-4 |
| 22:55.40 | quitte_ | withdraw: none? |
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| 22:55.48 | dk0r | deadcat: did apt-get install pbbuttonsd But how do i utilize what i downloaded? this is a core issue i dont understand about linux. wheres the executable? |
| 22:55.49 | QwErTz- | quitte_ thx |
| 22:55.52 | quitte_ | withdraw: it's for the wheel |
| 22:55.52 | ShaiW | heh, if I leave the nameserver blank I can change it on the /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 22:55.55 | dk0r | did = I did* |
| 22:55.56 | withdraw | i want to be able to pressmiddle button and move the mouse to scroll |
| 22:56.08 | withdraw | *press the middle button |
| 22:56.19 | deadcat | dk0r: whereis pbbuttonsd , it starts when your machine boots up |
| 22:56.36 | dk0r | deadcat: so if i just installed it? i need to restart? |
| 22:56.41 | quitte_ | withdraw: you need a patch for that from somewhere. not sure if it works,though. there is a patch that supports tap to click. maybe it does that |
| 22:56.43 | QwErTz- | quitte_ 586 doesnt exist in apt |
| 22:56.45 | QwErTz- | ;o( |
| 22:56.57 | stew | QwErTz-: use -386 |
| 22:56.58 | deadcat | dk0r: no. it starts it once you installed it |
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| 22:57.07 | redpoptart | I have three different kernels installed. How do I safety remove one of the kernels and its libraries? |
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| 22:57.32 | mdh | redpoptart: dpkg -P kernel-image-the.one.i.dont.want |
| 22:57.37 | stew | deadcat: i assume pbbuttonsd is a powerbook thingy, what does it do for you? |
| 22:57.41 | dk0r | deadcat: my brightness buttons open a Gnome Terminal Manual V2.8. they dont control brightness |
| 22:57.47 | deadcat | redpoptart: apt-get remove --purge kernel.you.dont.want |
| 22:57.48 | redpoptart | mdh: splendid. thanks |
| 22:58.12 | deadcat | dk0r: use powerprefs to config it. i use fn+fX instead of just fX |
| 22:58.23 | mdh | redpoptart: deadcat is also correct, I just find "dpkg -P" faster to type than "apt-get remove --purge" ;) |
| 22:58.33 | simonrvn | kernel doesn't have libs |
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| 22:58.49 | mdh | simonrvn: I think he means modules |
| 22:59.02 | mdh | s/he/he\/she/ |
| 22:59.16 | quitte_ | QwErTz-: true. very weird. |
| 22:59.19 | litage | if you/your company needed to hire an intermediate+ linux employee, what sorts of questions would you ask? |
| 22:59.22 | ShaiW | hmmphh... it does not ask me for an MBR partition, should I create a ~GB large swap partition, or will it create it automatically from the installation partition? |
| 22:59.31 | redpoptart | yes, sorry. i meant the modules |
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| 22:59.47 | othernoob | hi, i have a printing problem. my prob is that i have a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it and a b/w laser printer. and it won't print it. |
| 23:00.18 | QwErTz- | stew you sure I can use 386 for a Pentium MMX 233 ? |
| 23:00.24 | stew | litage: i ask stuff like, whats the difference between /bin and /sbin; between /usr/bin and /bin, /var/lib and /usr/lib ; what are these files in /etc/for ? |
| 23:00.33 | c1sco | QwErTz- yep |
| 23:00.36 | QwErTz- | ok |
| 23:00.37 | QwErTz- | thx |
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| 23:00.52 | stew | QwErTz-: definately |
| 23:01.23 | ShaiW | anybody? That's... sorta importent :/ |
| 23:01.30 | deadcat | simonrvn: do you have an irport card? |
| 23:01.32 | mdh | litage: I'd be asking stuff like "how do you tell a particular binary is intact" |
| 23:02.02 | litage | mdh: hrmm, i don't know that one... =P how? |
| 23:02.10 | c1sco | mdh md5 |
| 23:02.39 | litage | c1sco: that's only if you have the digest already though |
| 23:02.45 | slackd00d | is there anyway to tell when kernel-source-2.6.12 will enter unstable or experimental so i can install gnome? gnome installs udev but the new udev wont allow any kernel older than 2.6.12 |
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| 23:03.11 | myren | how can i ping a range of ip addresses? |
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| 23:03.26 | knighttemplar | hello can someone help me |
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| 23:03.35 | knighttemplar | i can't install my soundcard with debian |
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| 23:03.57 | deadcat | knighttemplar: nice nick hahah |
| 23:04.06 | redpoptart | i had that stupid problem yesterday.. then this morning i realized i installed an extra nic instead :( |
| 23:04.09 | Gnea | !tell knighttemplar about ask |
| 23:04.18 | Esaj | has anyone got X.org working with nvidia's binary drivers? |
| 23:04.32 | pablum | myren, fping does that iirc. |
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| 23:04.41 | deadcat | Esaj: what i am using on my desktop machine |
| 23:04.44 | slackd00d | Esaj: yes |
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| 23:04.46 | knighttemplar | i tried downloading alsa with apt-get , but first it didnt' download the modules , anyways so i tried again and installed them ,so i ran alsaconf right ? and it said that the card was found but when setting the volume it came up with this |
| 23:05.02 | knighttemplar | Loading driver... |
| 23:05.03 | knighttemplar | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/updates/alsa/snd-es18xx.o: init_module: No such deviceHint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg |
| 23:05.03 | knighttemplar | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/updates/alsa/snd-es18xx.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/updates/alsa/snd-es18xx.o failed/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/updates/alsa/snd-es18xx.o: insmod snd-es18xx failedSetting default volumes... |
| 23:05.03 | knighttemplar | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
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| 23:05.10 | slackd00d | jesus |
| 23:05.15 | Gnea | nice |
| 23:05.24 | sky0 | Anyone knows why libtiff4-dev does not provide /usr/lib/libtiff.la? Or even better howto create those (using ltmain.sh?)... |
| 23:05.33 | Esaj | deadcat, slackd00d: what did you put in xorg.conf? |
| 23:05.41 | Esaj | I get "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" |
| 23:05.42 | Gnea | !tell knighttemplar about flood |
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| 23:05.55 | pablum | not there... |
| 23:06.04 | Esaj | and I put Driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf |
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| 23:06.10 | slackd00d | Esaj: i used nvidia |
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| 23:06.26 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: upgrade to a 2.6 kernel....seems to be easier to me |
| 23:06.33 | deadcat | Esaj: do you have nvidia driver? |
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| 23:06.51 | Esaj | deadcat: yes, I've compiled them using nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:06.58 | knighttemplar | sorry for that , yeah i thought so , but how can i do that? |
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| 23:07.54 | Esaj | deadcat: is that what you did? |
| 23:07.58 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: how do you upgrade to a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:08.00 | slackd00d | ? |
| 23:08.11 | florb | Where can I find /usr/bin/X11/X in Debian? apt-file search has no reference to it. |
| 23:08.16 | knighttemplar | i don't know , i'm asking that :) |
| 23:08.17 | deadcat | Esaj: ya. loaded nvidia yet? |
| 23:08.28 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: i was asking if you were asking = ) |
| 23:08.30 | Esaj | deadcat: yeah, it shows up in lsmod |
| 23:08.35 | deadcat | florb: whereis X |
| 23:08.38 | knighttemplar | i was thinking of reinstalling debian and using a cheatcode to install the 2.6 kernel |
| 23:08.41 | ShaiW | should I use grab or Lilo? |
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| 23:08.43 | deadcat | Esaj: check /var/log/ |
| 23:08.43 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: just aptget install kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 23:08.44 | ShaiW | *grub |
| 23:08.49 | florb | deadcat Nowhere |
| 23:08.59 | deadcat | florb: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 23:09.07 | knighttemplar | slackdood: oh ok . yeah im asking |
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| 23:09.37 | knighttemplar | slackdood: just that easy ? no configuring at all ? |
| 23:09.43 | florb | deadcat: doing that now... |
| 23:09.45 | Esaj | deadcat: no error messages in syslogs - seemed to have loaded the module fine |
| 23:09.50 | slackd00d | nope |
| 23:09.53 | Esaj | deadcat: I had to load it manually using modprobe, however |
| 23:10.11 | deadcat | Esaj: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 23:10.37 | mdh | litage: the usual answer for the linux cert. is "rpm -qa" since that's the LSB way :( |
| 23:10.41 | Esaj | deadcat: hmm, why would that help? |
| 23:10.56 | knighttemplar | slackd00d: there's not such package |
| 23:10.58 | Esaj | deadcat: I'll try it anyway :) |
| 23:11.10 | deadcat | Esaj: dont konw. but somehow sometimes after install nvidia, reboot and X will work. beats me |
| 23:11.25 | scar_ | I have just installed additional 64mb sdram to my sarge system. are there any needed software changes I have to do, to make linux recognize it or is this done automatically durin boot process? |
| 23:11.29 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: sorry...what are you using? testing? |
| 23:11.34 | mdh | litage: but you get points for mentioning pre-using tiger, aide, tripwire, et al especially if you have the checksums stored on CD-ROM or similar non-writable media |
| 23:11.49 | knighttemplar | slackd00d: stable |
| 23:11.54 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: ok then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 23:11.56 | QwErTz- | what should I add to /etc/issue to clear before login screen ? |
| 23:12.11 | litage | mdh: ah i see |
| 23:12.22 | deadcat | QwErTz-: clear what? |
| 23:12.27 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: kernel-image-2.6.8-386 |
| 23:12.33 | QwErTz- | with gentoo i used clear >> /etc/issue and moved the line on the top |
| 23:12.38 | QwErTz- | i dont know if its the same |
| 23:12.41 | slackd00d | or you get the idea |
| 23:12.48 | knighttemplar | slackd00d: thanks a lot |
| 23:12.52 | slackd00d | no problem |
| 23:12.53 | mdh | litage: "intermediate" is generally "can completely administrate the system, build packages, monitor services, firewall / intrusion detection, ..." |
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| 23:13.05 | litage | mdh: yup |
| 23:13.07 | deadcat | QwErTz-: grep issue /etc/init.d/* |
| 23:13.17 | mdh | litage: "advanced" is "can create custom kernel modules, write hardware drivers" ... |
| 23:13.19 | slackd00d | knighttemplar: with the 2.6 kernel...alsa drivers are built into the kernel |
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| 23:13.37 | mdh | litage: "beginner" is "knows how to read the man pages" ;) |
| 23:13.38 | litage | mdh: we're looking for an intermediate guy |
| 23:13.38 | TheAsp | Am i reading this right that udev currently doesnt work with a kernel that debian ships, in sid? |
| 23:14.04 | resiak | TheAsp: Yes |
| 23:14.23 | resiak | TheAsp: This is why you shouldn't run Sid if you don't want things to break. |
| 23:14.25 | QwErTz- | deadcat i want the screen to be cleared before the login screen |
| 23:14.35 | mdh | TheAsp: you need at least 2.6.12 for the version of udev in sid |
| 23:14.35 | TheAsp | resiak: i've been running sid for 5 years . . . |
| 23:14.52 | mdh | TheAsp: udev will tell you this when it installs/upgrades |
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| 23:14.54 | deadcat | QwErTz-: i use mingetty, default uses getty |
| 23:15.08 | resiak | TheAsp: It's still true :) |
| 23:15.11 | litage | so what other questions would you guys ask when interviewing a potential intermediate linux employee? |
| 23:15.12 | TheAsp | yes :P |
| 23:15.21 | coll | can i specify only secuirty upgrades when using apt-get? |
| 23:15.22 | deadcat | QwErTz-: or just remove the data in /etc/issue |
| 23:15.25 | TheAsp | but shouldnt that udev have lingered in experimental for awhile? |
| 23:15.28 | TheAsp | :) |
| 23:15.38 | QwErTz- | deadcat no no.. I have to add something, not remove |
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| 23:15.48 | redpoptart | I get "The connection closed unexpectedly" when I try to connect via VNC. It's currently "supposed" to be configured to xdmcp with xdm. I must have gone wrong somewhere. It's not giving me 'connection refused', so I assume the server received the connection request. Where do I go to dig up vnc error logs? |
| 23:15.48 | DoppelGanger | litage: how aboutdoes he know how ot configure X :) |
| 23:15.50 | MobyTurbo | litage: is your nick "MobyTurbo"? |
| 23:15.53 | mdh | litage: throw in something cross-distro. like if you've found out they only know redhat, ask something about ubuntu or slackware |
| 23:15.55 | QwErTz- | the first line must be something that clear the screen |
| 23:15.56 | knighttemplar | slackd00d: so i apt-get kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 , i hope this works , thanks for your help |
| 23:16.06 | deadcat | QwErTz-: no. if you remove the content in /etc/issue it will be blank |
| 23:16.11 | resiak | TheAsp: The dev responsible is being a bit of an arse about it. |
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| 23:16.15 | OvrLrd-Q | how do I rm a large number of files in a folder when I get this error: "bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long" |
| 23:16.21 | QwErTz- | but it will not clear the screen before |
| 23:16.33 | mith | litage: what is the output of "mkdir /tmp/stuff; cd /tmp/stuff; ls -l > output; cat output && cd && rm -rf /tmp/stuff" |
| 23:16.40 | mdh | litage: a good administrator may *prefer* one particular distro but should be able to work in any. |
| 23:16.41 | mith | litage: is a very good interview question. |
| 23:16.43 | resiak | OvrLrd-Q: find and xargs ? |
| 23:16.47 | TheAsp | resiak: heh, figures :) |
| 23:16.54 | mith | litage: the better interview question is: "why?" |
| 23:16.54 | coll | how is this possible? apt-get upgrade says it needs to get 237MB of packages but 16.7MB of space will be used after unpacking :) |
| 23:16.55 | OvrLrd-Q | resiak: hmm k, i'll try that |
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| 23:17.12 | litage | DoppelGanger: i'm not too concerned about knowledge of X cuz the systems we'll be working on are CLI-only |
| 23:17.16 | mdh | litage: the answer you're looking for is at least "knows where to get the answer" - its okay if they don't know the answer |
| 23:17.20 | coll | oh my bad. its saying After unpacking 16.7MB disk space will be freed. |
| 23:17.21 | mith | litage: only, take the -l off of the ls call. heh |
| 23:17.31 | snooo | does anyone know how to get mpd working with dmix? |
| 23:17.32 | coll | whats that about? |
| 23:17.37 | knighttemplar | the cheatcode prompt26 is to install the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 23:17.37 | OvrLrd-Q | resiak: awesome that worked, thought xargs passed it as one big list too :( |
| 23:17.52 | resiak | OvrLrd-Q: find and -exec ? |
| 23:18.02 | QwErTz- | deadcat I fount it, its the same as gentoo.. clear >> /etc/issue , then I had to move the line on the top |
| 23:18.04 | DoppelGanger | litage: thth was a joke |
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| 23:18.04 | deadcat | QwErTz-: you can put clear in your .bash_logout |
| 23:18.08 | mith | litage: I'm serious, by the way, that is a great interview question |
| 23:18.17 | scar_ | I have just installed additional 64mb sdram to my sarge system. are there any needed software changes I have to do, to make linux recognize it or is this done automatically durin boot process? |
| 23:18.22 | mdh | litage: throw in stuff about debugging problems... like eg apache refusing to start (or bind to a certain port, or delivers the wrong pages, or ...) |
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| 23:18.37 | litage | mith: why's that a very good question? it's fairly obvious the output's nothing |
| 23:18.38 | deadcat | QwErTz-: where do you put that line? |
| 23:18.46 | mith | litage: you're wrong. |
| 23:18.46 | mdh | litage: of course, substitute apache for any relevent service for you |
| 23:18.53 | mith | litage: and that's why it's a good question. |
| 23:18.55 | QwErTz- | deadcat in command prompt: clear >> /etc/issue |
| 23:18.58 | litage | mith: heheh |
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| 23:19.07 | deadcat | QwErTz-: that sounds weird. |
| 23:19.07 | mith | litage: run it |
| 23:19.08 | QwErTz- | then the line that just appear i move it |
| 23:19.09 | mdh | mith :) |
| 23:19.34 | mith | mdh: I've not seen an interviewy answer that right yet, which depresses me. :( |
| 23:19.46 | QwErTz- | deadcat your idea of logout is good... but for example on tty1 when the system is booted, the login screen is not on top |
| 23:19.49 | knighttemplar | scar_: google.com/linux |
| 23:20.06 | QwErTz- | so it has to be in issue |
| 23:20.49 | scar_ | knighttemplar, wow, great answer! how bout some decent ones? |
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| 23:21.26 | deadcat | QwErTz-: weird. i have mingetty. everytime its the first line. when you logout, it automatically clears the screen and login: is the first line |
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| 23:21.41 | sky0 | QwErTz-: you mean something like this: http://www.dee.ufcg.edu.br/~rrbrandt/tools/ansi.html ; something like "^[[2J" should do it; the "^[" is CTRL-V ESC |
| 23:21.43 | mith | scar_: it depends on your hardware, assuming it's newer (eg, last 5 years) hardware, there should be nothing to do. |
| 23:21.53 | QwErTz- | sky0 exactly |
| 23:22.08 | QwErTz- | sky0 clear >> /etc/issue generate this code |
| 23:22.10 | litage | mith: why does `ls > output` write "output" to the file "output" rather than write nothing to the file "output"? |
| 23:22.17 | beardy | scar_: The new ram, if not broken in any way, will be recogniced when you boot. |
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| 23:22.33 | mbirkis | i have a web server standing behind a router... and i need ddclient to get the dynamic internet ip from the router to use instead of the local ip it gets from use=if, if=wlan0? can anyone help me with this? |
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| 23:22.55 | mith | litage: because you're using fd redirection to create 'output' and 'output' has to be created before you can change the process's stdout to it, therefore, it is created before ls is run |
| 23:22.59 | mdh | litage: it doesn't write the word "output", it writes stuff though. because you told it to :) |
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| 23:23.06 | scar_ | mith, is it possible to check while systems running? |
| 23:23.30 | sky0 | QwErTz-: good to know, but I prefer to use the codes (if I really need something fancy) |
| 23:23.36 | mith | litage: now you also see why "why?" is a good interview question. :) |
| 23:23.48 | QwErTz- | sky0 of course hehe |
| 23:24.02 | litage | mdh: it writes the word "output" for me |
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| 23:24.16 | Anton74 | I'm having trouble setting up egroupware with MySQL - it keeps telling me that no valid DB support is there, but MySQL is up and running, and the egroupware database created. Any ideas? |
| 23:24.30 | mdh | litage: oh, and if you don't know this stuff, have someone in the room who does |
| 23:24.33 | cafuego | !any ideas |
| 23:24.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 three-legged platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 23:24.43 | YaleR_ | I'm having some trouble with xorg, somebody want to help? 3 packages refuse to upgrade, x-window-system-core xbase-clients xutils and I get 6fps on glxgears even with my nvidia driver loaded |
| 23:25.04 | litage | mith: ahhhhh tricky devil! :) |
| 23:25.10 | knighttemplar | can somebody help me with this ? when i use the locate command , it says that there's no DB , why not ? how can i create it ? |
| 23:25.17 | mdh | litage: I was doing the original "ls -l" which of course will write the block total |
| 23:25.18 | caphuso | knighttemplar: updatedb |
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| 23:25.29 | DoppelGanger | YaleR_: watch out you might get screamed at |
| 23:25.31 | mith | ya, I typed the -l out of habit, heh |
| 23:25.32 | shingouz | YaleR_: Xorg is not in debian yet |
| 23:25.33 | beardy | knighttemplar: updatedb |
| 23:25.33 | litage | knighttemplar: run `updatedb` as root |
| 23:25.37 | caphuso | shingouz: it is |
| 23:25.39 | litage | mdh: yup |
| 23:25.40 | DoppelGanger | 2 late |
| 23:25.40 | YaleR_ | shingouz: yes it is |
| 23:25.42 | shingouz | it is already? |
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| 23:25.52 | shingouz | ok, i stand corrected |
| 23:25.56 | mdh | litage: so for an empty dir, it'll output "total 0" ;) |
| 23:25.57 | YaleR_ | shingouz: ahaha the tables have turned :P |
| 23:26.04 | knighttemplar | caphuso: thanks , mate |
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| 23:26.16 | shingouz | YaleR_: you win :) |
| 23:26.23 | knighttemplar | beardy: thanks , |
| 23:26.28 | knighttemplar | litage: thanks |
| 23:26.29 | DoppelGanger | this is where you say its not stable deal with it |
| 23:26.34 | YaleR_ | shingouz: so wanna help with this package conflict now? |
| 23:26.37 | YaleR_ | :D |
| 23:26.42 | mith | mdh: if you're still talking about my example, the dir isn't empt :P |
| 23:26.47 | litage | mdh: why do you mix and match semi-colons and ampersands in that one-liner? |
| 23:26.47 | mith | s/empt/empty/ |
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| 23:26.56 | Phated | shingouz: Just started going in yesterday or something. |
| 23:26.57 | shingouz | YaleR_: not really, i do not run xorg. not at least yet |
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| 23:27.00 | jon787 | YaleR_: what conflict this time? |
| 23:27.10 | Esaj | deadcat: didn't work :( |
| 23:27.11 | mith | litage: it's called slight of hand, you make them look for something that's not there. |
| 23:27.13 | jon787 | YaleR_: nvidia? |
| 23:27.20 | YaleR_ | jon787: x-window-system-core xbase-clients xutils do not install, and yeah, nvidia |
| 23:27.20 | deadcat | Esaj: you're fucked (= |
| 23:27.30 | jon787 | YaleR_: ah |
| 23:27.31 | Esaj | deadcat: should I have nvidia_drv.o somewhere? |
| 23:27.32 | YaleR_ | jon787: can I pm you the conflicts? |
| 23:27.34 | jon787 | YaleR_: I can explain that one |
| 23:27.38 | YaleR_ | nice |
| 23:27.50 | deadcat | Esaj: you use 2.4? whats nvidia_drv.o? i have nvidia.ko |
| 23:27.53 | scar_ | okay another question: fsck is checking my installed drives every 10 times it is being mounted. is there any central .conf file to check the intervals for each drive etc? ... how can I make changes to it? |
| 23:28.03 | jon787 | YaleR_: x-window-system-core, xbase-clients, and xutils want to thew GL package, libglu-xorg. Which was built with the *new* ABI |
| 23:28.19 | jon787 | certain packages *cough*nvidia-glx*cough* want the GL package with the old ABI |
| 23:28.28 | YaleR_ | oh noz |
| 23:28.32 | Esaj | deadcat: no, I just saw something in a forum that made me wonder |
| 23:28.34 | litage | mith: ah thanks |
| 23:28.35 | Anton74 | scar_: tune2fs |
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| 23:28.51 | mith | litage: but as was said, if you didn't understand that, have someone in the room that does when you're interviewing ;) |
| 23:29.08 | YaleR_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.08 | YaleR_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.11 | jon787 | YaleR_: its a waiting game for those to be recompiled now |
| 23:29.15 | litage | mith: yup, thanks for that piece of advice, but i understand it; just tricky =) |
| 23:29.31 | TSSBrad | anyone know how to configure x to work on remote access? im not in any way sure how to do it |
| 23:29.36 | YaleR_ | jon787: how do you mean? |
| 23:29.53 | YaleR_ | there are no current binaries available? |
| 23:30.04 | jon787 | YaleR_: well step one of the ABI change is the base libraries getting recompiled and uploaded |
| 23:30.18 | jon787 | then the next set, and so on, until you get to the applications |
| 23:30.32 | jon787 | there was an email on this |
| 23:30.32 | Phated | Step two is a lot of stuff being fucked for a while. |
| 23:30.35 | mith | litage: we added that snippet to our screening test (which isn't pass/fail), and even when people get it wrong, you can get some valuable insight into how they think/how well they know sh/unix-like systems from their response. (like I said, the only person I work with/have interviewed that got it right the first time they were asked was me, haha) |
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| 23:30.39 | jon787 | Phated: exactly :) |
| 23:30.43 | drac | People who are running Unstable should know what they are doing.. X.Org was just uploaded.. and not all packages have been updated yet.. so what am I missing here? I don't understand. Is this channel now supporting Experimental and Unstable and clueless people? |
| 23:30.49 | Phated | jon787: Yes. |
| 23:30.49 | TSSBrad | anyone? |
| 23:31.00 | Phated | drac: Ehm... yes. |
| 23:31.31 | TSSBrad | hmm |
| 23:31.39 | quittt | dpkg-reconfigure gnome-terminal-data |
| 23:31.41 | mdh | drac: this channel has always supported experimental, unstable, clueless people |
| 23:31.41 | drac | Phated: hrr.. scary. ;) |
| 23:31.43 | quittt | ALERTA: Falha ao analisar valor padrćo `(??????-?,???????)' para o esquema (/schemas/apps/gnome-terminal/global/active_encodings) |
| 23:31.49 | quittt | what hell |
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| 23:32.03 | caphuso | that's exactly what i was thinking |
| 23:32.06 | Esaj | deadcat: what kernel are you using? I'm using 2.6.12.2 from kernel.org |
| 23:32.25 | TSSBrad | thats how you do it? |
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| 23:33.13 | TSSBrad | is that the command i use? dpkg-..... ? |
| 23:33.32 | TSSBrad | can anyone see my text? |
| 23:33.38 | TSSBrad | quit |
| 23:33.45 | mith | haha |
| 23:33.48 | liable | hehe |
| 23:33.58 | Phated | Pathetic. |
| 23:34.06 | caphuso | Phatetic |
| 23:34.10 | litage | mith: do you have any other questions like that? i quite like that one. it's gold =) |
| 23:34.21 | mith | litage: not off the top of my head |
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| 23:34.39 | mith | litage: it's always fun to ask how dns works, because most people don't actually know |
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| 23:34.57 | mdh | litage: there was a article on slashdork or similar sometime in the past 2 years on this subject |
| 23:35.08 | TSSBrad | question |
| 23:35.11 | scar_ | still another question: how can I see the current cpu usage of the system, and how can I see which amount is used by which process? |
| 23:35.19 | Phated | scar_: top? |
| 23:35.21 | mith | (like, a descriptive rundown of what happens when trying to resolve a paticular domain, not 'how dns works' in a broad sense) |
| 23:35.22 | simonrvn | TSSBrad: answer |
| 23:35.25 | TSSBrad | anyknow know why X would not let me use my keyboard? after a reboot? |
| 23:35.36 | OvrLrd-Q | mith: well you see there's some bits . . and well these bits are like how do I go here, and farmer bit is like well you take this left over here |
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| 23:35.50 | VoX | ok.. so.. how broken is xorg? :) |
| 23:35.50 | mith | haha |
| 23:35.56 | scar_ | Phated, thank you! |
| 23:35.57 | TSSBrad | i can choose deb in grub and i can type commands but as soon as i hit x login it turns the keyboard off |
| 23:35.58 | litage | mdh: yeah i looked through / |
| 23:35.59 | Guerin | VoX: not at all, for me. |
| 23:36.02 | Phated | VoX: Completely, more likely than not. |
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| 23:36.06 | McLamb | hi |
| 23:36.07 | VoX | heh |
| 23:36.08 | initech | TSSBrad: kdm? |
| 23:36.10 | rbochan | boo hiss @xorg |
| 23:36.14 | TSSBrad | gnome |
| 23:36.15 | mith | it's only been in sid for a couple hours tops? of course it's still broken |
| 23:36.19 | jon787 | VoX: depends on how much you like opengl |
| 23:36.20 | McLamb | is using the computers beep too much bad for it? |
| 23:36.21 | redpoptart | I just started KDE inside Gnome.. that must be a sin. :p anyway. Is anyone able to help me troubleshoot a VNC problem? >>>>> (19:15:52) redpoptart: I get "The connection closed unexpectedly" when I try to connect via VNC. It's currently "supposed" to be configured to xdmcp with xdm. I must have gone wrong somewhere. It's not giving me 'connection refused', so I assume the server received the connection request. Where do I go to dig up vnc |
| 23:36.24 | Guerin | rbochan: why? |
| 23:36.28 | VoX | jon: alot :-/ |
| 23:36.32 | rbochan | Guerin: it doesn't like my voodoo5 |
| 23:36.37 | mith | McLamb: it's bad for your ears |
| 23:36.38 | Guerin | hahaha |
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| 23:36.47 | rbochan | everything was all squggly |
| 23:36.51 | rbochan | sqiggly |
| 23:36.51 | TSSBrad | what is kdm ? |
| 23:36.56 | Guerin | people still use doodoo gpus?? |
| 23:37.04 | mdh | !drxx TSSBrad |
| 23:37.04 | dpkg | TSSBrad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:37.06 | metaperl_ | TSSBrad: k display manager |
| 23:37.08 | simonrvn | why do you insist on asking stupid questions? |
| 23:37.10 | rbochan | it's worked well up until this |
| 23:37.15 | McLamb | mith: i'm just playing with building an alarm clock, would too much ever be bad for it |
| 23:37.18 | TSSBrad | oh i see it |
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| 23:37.43 | mith | McLamb: umm, it's a speaker, speakers are meant to produce sound, come to your own conclusion |
| 23:37.44 | TSSBrad | well right now im remotly administering it |
| 23:37.50 | TSSBrad | so im not sure if that will work |
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| 23:38.01 | simonrvn | i swear the heat is causing brain damage in some people.... |
| 23:38.06 | TSSBrad | im not at the computer im at work using remote access |
| 23:38.24 | shingouz | simonrvn: impossible. some of them do not have anything that could be damaged |
| 23:38.25 | VoX | Anton74: i had friends who refused to believe a vd5 actually existed |
| 23:38.40 | simonrvn | bah-dum-tssh |
| 23:38.42 | McLamb | 105 today, lol i played 27 holes of golf |
| 23:38.49 | McLamb | not too hot |
| 23:38.50 | rbochan | my voodoo5 still runs diablo2 great, that's all I care about |
| 23:38.52 | simonrvn | yup, there's an example |
| 23:39.19 | simonrvn | oh boy, let's run around chasing after a small white ball, hitting it into small holes |
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| 23:39.21 | Anton74 | VoX: haha. I believe they were produced for about 6 months before 3dfx went belly up, so there can't be that many. A Voodo5 6000 (as oppposed to the "normal" 5500) is a rarity though. It has 4 GPUs instead of the normal 2. |
| 23:39.41 | EdibleText | !boy this |
| 23:39.41 | dpkg | What? |
| 23:39.43 | simonrvn | a game of imperialists |
| 23:39.44 | shingouz | simonrvn: is it hot up there too? :p |
| 23:39.46 | rbochan | Anton74: amd X can only use half its ram |
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| 23:39.53 | TSSBrad | ok so that will work even using remote access? |
| 23:39.55 | VoX | i think i'll put off updating till sid settles down a little |
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| 23:40.08 | VoX | Anton74: ahh fairy nuff. i've just got a 5500 |
| 23:40.10 | simonrvn | hahah, sid settling down, that's funny |
| 23:40.14 | seven_six_two | i installed sarge off the 2 dvd's and found a bug in cdrecord that is listed on the cdrecord page. are fixes put into the stable repo's as well? |
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| 23:40.22 | McLamb | simonrvn: fun, outdoors, possibly make money, tell me how tweaking your voodoo5 is going to do that |
| 23:40.23 | Anton74 | rbochan: too bad :( I don't really use X much at all though |
| 23:40.24 | simonrvn | shingouz: close |
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| 23:40.31 | Anton74 | VoX: me too |
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| 23:40.38 | wooden | where is the @ in us layout? :) |
| 23:40.38 | seven_six_two | i haven't added any repos to my sources.list yet to avoid breakage |
| 23:40.38 | VoX | simonrvn: i said settles down a little :P |
| 23:40.39 | simonrvn | McLamb: i don't have one to tweak, and i bike |
| 23:40.50 | rbochan | Anton74: No! No! No! to the Draft and Nvidia! |
| 23:40.55 | McLamb | booo, on the road? |
| 23:41.17 | Anton74 | wooden: above the 2 |
| 23:41.25 | abrotman | wooden: aobve the 2 |
| 23:41.35 | McLamb | bikers arn't too much for gambling, other than i'll race you to that rock |
| 23:41.59 | simonrvn | wooden: um, i told you that 40 mintues ago in another channel |
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| 23:42.11 | Anton74 | rbochan: hehe. I'm plotting to get something like a 9600 Pro, newegg has them for $60ish |
| 23:42.23 | rbochan | that's not awful |
| 23:42.42 | rbochan | I'll continue to use this till it dies |
| 23:42.42 | TSSBrad | how can i turn off x remotely? |
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| 23:43.56 | Anton74 | rbochan: wanna buy mine too? ;) |
| 23:44.00 | rbochan | nosir |
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| 23:44.09 | simonrvn | VoX: it's the fricking gcc and c++ changes that's fucking things up |
| 23:44.17 | rbochan | maybe I'll shell out for an old matrox dual head |
| 23:44.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: is it sunday? |
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| 23:44.35 | Anton74 | TSSBrad: switch to runlevel 2: telinit 2 |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | Anton74: WRONG |
| 23:44.44 | simonrvn | must be, it snuck up on us without telling us |
| 23:44.44 | GoatRoby | Why does the latest internet install cd of debian se 2.4.x kernel instead of 2.6.x ? |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | Anton74: if you don't know .. don't guess |
| 23:44.54 | Anton74 | abrotman: eh? |
| 23:45.05 | rbochan | GoatRoby: because you didn't tell it to use 2.6 |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | Anton74: do you actually use debian? |
| 23:45.06 | mfrisch | ok I got a inch black band around X sessions and vt. I dpkg-reconfigure x, before x was fine. |
| 23:45.11 | simonrvn | Anton74: debian doesn't do crude hacks like that to get x running |
| 23:45.12 | Anton74 | abrotman: positively yes |
| 23:45.14 | caphuso | GoatRoby: because you were too lazy to read the install manual and look like a fool now |
| 23:45.17 | shingouz | GoatRoby: linux26 should take care of it |
| 23:45.25 | GoatRoby | caphuso: doh :) |
| 23:45.26 | abrotman | Anton74: and you don't know how it works ? |
| 23:45.38 | GoatRoby | caphuso: actually i read the install manual only to the part where it said the installer will do everything for me :) |
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| 23:45.46 | Anton74 | abrotman: quite frankly I'm a CLI kinda guy |
| 23:45.49 | abrotman | TSSBrad: which xdm/gdm/kdm is running ? |
| 23:46.06 | GoatRoby | shingouz: linux26 is a package? |
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| 23:46.22 | VoX | simonrvn: ah it's cool. i'm in no hurry to swap over, regardless. aslong as i can play ut2k4, i'm happy. :) |
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| 23:46.26 | seven_six_two | GoatRoby, linux26 is an install option |
| 23:46.26 | simonrvn | GoatRoby: no. it's a boot selection for the installer |
| 23:46.47 | abrotman | Anton74: that's a weak excuse :) |
| 23:46.47 | VoX | heh |
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| 23:47.01 | TSSBrad | how can i turn off x remotely?is |
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| 23:47.08 | Anton74 | abrotman: fine, I get the point. If you don't mind, how was I wrong? |
| 23:47.17 | abrotman | Anton74: cat /etc/inittab | grep default |
| 23:47.28 | VoX | TSSBrad: ssh into the computer, then /etc/init.d/xfree86-common stop |
| 23:47.42 | simonrvn | Anton74: debian runlevel default is 2. no dm runs at 5, there's nothing there. it's done by init scripts |
| 23:47.43 | lestest | hi there is it possible to exclude some host dumping tcp traffic with tcpdump? |
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| 23:47.54 | abrotman | Anton74: debian defaults to 2 .. X runs at runlevel2 .. if you want it done .. you have to stop it either by killing X .. or shutting down *dm |
| 23:48.00 | mith | lestest: man tcpdump |
| 23:48.24 | Anton74 | really? things must've changed, I thought runlevel 2 is no X - it's what I use anway |
| 23:48.37 | GoatRoby | rbochan: hehe thanks :) |
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| 23:48.56 | abrotman | Anton74: it's been like that .. for a very long time .. since .. at least slink |
| 23:48.58 | mith | lestest: or do you mean is it possible to prevent people from being able to sniff traffic? If that's what you mean, then get a decent switch. |
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| 23:49.02 | abrotman | Anton74: did you used to use RH ? |
| 23:49.03 | shingouz | seven_six_two: you should see this place on a normal sunday ;) |
| 23:49.08 | knighttemplar | is the KDE environment the lastest release :-/ |
| 23:49.19 | Anton74 | abrotman: hmm. I used RH for a brief minute years ago. |
| 23:49.32 | Guerin | knighttemplar: the latest release of it is |
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| 23:49.38 | abrotman | Anton74: RH defaults to 5 .. if you want no X .. in RH you telinit 2 .. but debian doesn't do that |
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| 23:49.58 | mith | Anton74: debian doesn't use the '5 = X, 3 = multi+ network, 2 = multi' crap other systems do |
| 23:50.22 | seven_six_two | shingouz, if it's like this on a tuesday, I can imagine people venting their week's worth of hostility quite efficiently/amusingly |
| 23:50.23 | mfrisch | fixed it |
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| 23:50.29 | flux | hello |
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| 23:50.35 | Anton74 | Ok, my bad everyone, I stand corrected. |
| 23:50.41 | shingouz | seven_six_two: this is not hostile at all |
| 23:50.42 | flux | what is the package to install x windows ?? |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | Anton74: damn right! |
| 23:50.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:50.48 | rbochan | !redhatsmite Anton74 |
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| 23:50.52 | Guerin | flux: x-window-system-core |
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| 23:51.02 | Anton74 | :-D |
| 23:51.09 | mith | !mith Anton74 |
| 23:51.16 | mith | wow, that bot still has me ignored, that's amazing |
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| 23:52.07 | litage | do you think it's okay to use the term 'blackbox' instead of 'unknown machine' in an interview? |
| 23:52.17 | rbochan | litage: whitebox |
| 23:52.20 | lestest | mith: didn't find anything apporpiate dd yuo read the question? |
| 23:52.32 | mith | lestest: excuse me? |
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| 23:52.47 | lestest | exclude some host from the dump |
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| 23:52.52 | litage | rbochan: a whitebox is a machine that you have knowledge of. a blackbox is one that you don't know what's in it |
| 23:52.55 | lestest | in tcpdump |
| 23:52.59 | othernoob | how do i print with xpdf using cups? |
| 23:53.01 | ShaiW | I'm trying to mount a fat partition but I get a "no such filesystem", how am I supposed to name a fat system? |
| 23:53.12 | litage | ShaiW: with lard! |
| 23:53.13 | mith | lestest: man tcpdump, it has a very very very verbose/powerful filtering method, go learn how to use it. |
| 23:53.18 | TonyRad | I'm having a small issue with getting kde to work apropriately on my box |
| 23:53.20 | ShaiW | witty... |
| 23:53.21 | drac | ShaiW: vfat |
| 23:53.21 | jharrison | tarzeau: PING! |
| 23:53.25 | TonyRad | I did the apt-get install kde, however, I can't get to kde, is there a setting I have to change somewhere or something? Or a manual start? |
| 23:53.27 | ShaiW | vfat? thanks |
| 23:53.32 | TonyRad | Any ideas? |
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| 23:53.35 | migma | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.41 | lestest | mith: please give me a hiint .) |
| 23:53.43 | litage | TonyRad: have you run `xf86config` yet? |
| 23:53.45 | jharrison | xorg is sweet |
| 23:53.50 | TonyRad | Probably not |
| 23:53.56 | drac | litage: Nobody uses that anymore. |
| 23:54.04 | litage | drac: what do they use now? |
| 23:54.07 | mith | lestest: it's in the tcpdump man page and involves the 'not' keyword in the rule, there's your hint. |
| 23:54.13 | drac | litage: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is debian 'way' |
| 23:54.25 | drac | TonyRad: did you install x-window-system too ? |
| 23:54.30 | migma | !drxx |
| 23:54.31 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 23:54.32 | TonyRad | Nope |
| 23:54.37 | drac | TonyRad: well, you need it |
| 23:54.39 | lestest | mith: sweet thankz |
| 23:54.43 | drac | TonyRad: KDE runs on it. |
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| 23:54.51 | jharrison | runs on what |
| 23:54.54 | drac | jharrison: on X |
| 23:54.55 | scar_ | okay I have checked out tune2fs to change intervals etc. I have currently mounted a drive which is of vfat type. I can not set any fsck intervals for that. is this filetype not supported? (its fat32) |
| 23:54.57 | TonyRad | Alright, that would be important than |
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| 23:55.00 | jharrison | drac: yeah it does |
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| 23:55.08 | litage | drac: thanks for that, i'm new to debian so didn't know about it |
| 23:55.11 | jharrison | drac: does someone not believe you? |
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| 23:55.34 | litage | drac: why do you use "xserver-xfree86" rather than the package name, "x-window-system"? |
| 23:55.35 | drac | jharrison: After you said that, I guess not. |
| 23:55.55 | jharrison | litage: maybe he uses xserver-xorg |
| 23:56.00 | drac | litage: cause xserver-xfree86 is the package needs to be reconfigured, not x-window-system wich is only empty metapackage that collects dependencies. |
| 23:56.21 | jharrison | xserver-xfree86 is so yesterday |
| 23:56.24 | jharrison | ;) |
| 23:56.26 | litage | what's the difference between xserver-xorg and x-window-system? |
| 23:56.27 | liable | hah |
| 23:56.29 | drac | heh |
| 23:56.29 | jharrison | ii xserver-xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 the X.Org X server |
| 23:56.32 | brad | ok im back...so how would i kill xserver right now? |
| 23:56.42 | drac | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.99.14 |
| 23:56.44 | brad | while remotly accessing my computer? |
| 23:56.49 | jharrison | brad: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:56.56 | shingouz | brad: killall is a good one |
| 23:56.59 | MobyTurbo | litage: there's no difference, x-window-system will fetch whatever's the version of X in the repository. |
| 23:57.08 | litage | thanks MobyTurbo |
| 23:57.18 | jharrison | killall is good |
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| 23:57.35 | fatalwall | hi |
| 23:57.45 | fatalwall | is ther a way to make apt-get ignore a dependancy? |
| 23:57.57 | drac | litage: x-window-system is empty package, that fetches xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg, the actual X server. |
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| 23:58.19 | shingouz | fatalwall: why the hell would you like to do that then? the dependencies are there because they are needed |
| 23:58.20 | mith | scar_: wait, you're trying to set the fsck interval on a filesystem that doesn't know what fsck is? I think that'd be the root of your problem. |
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| 23:58.22 | brad | i don't want to get kicked off |
| 23:58.24 | drac | litage: among other dependencies needed by X. Installing only xserver-* won't get all dependencies. |
| 23:58.26 | brad | i need the computer to stay on |
| 23:58.39 | knighttemplar | yeah apt-get was built to get dependancies |
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| 23:59.01 | shingouz | brad: huh? man killall |
| 23:59.01 | seven_six_two | i had to use nodeps before to ignore an unresolvable dep |
| 23:59.02 | litage | drac: i see. so one should continue to use x-window-system if they want to install X? |
| 23:59.07 | liable | brad: killall, as mentionen |
| 23:59.10 | liable | d |
| 23:59.17 | scar_ | mith oh okay... that IS the root of my problem heh :) good to know. I consider changing from vfat to ext3 ... |
| 23:59.33 | fatalwall | hu? |
| 23:59.33 | MobyTurbo | litage: either that or x-window-system-core + xterm + window manager |
| 23:59.45 | litage | awesome possum |
| 23:59.54 | drac | litage: yes |
| 23:59.55 | Drizzt321 | I'm having trouble getting an ati remote wonder 2 working. anyone have one and can help me out? |
