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| 00:00.14 | MobyTurbo | litage: the meta package is needed because a stand-alone X Windows system needs both client and server, fonts, etc. etc. |
| 00:00.18 | jharrison | Drizzt321: #ati |
| 00:00.28 | Drizzt321 | jharrison: hrm...thanks. didn't see that channel anywhere |
| 00:00.28 | seven_six_two | Drizzt321, and good luck |
| 00:00.39 | *** part/#debian knighttemplar (~admin@69-45-110-73.ctejz.cablered.com.mx) |
| 00:00.42 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 00:00.42 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:00.47 | othernoob | what does "child exited with status 13" mean if cupsd can't print? |
| 00:01.06 | jharrison | othernoob: it means a child exited with status 13 |
| 00:01.14 | abrotman | man cupsd might say |
| 00:01.21 | othernoob | jharrison: indeed, and you would be that child ;) |
| 00:01.25 | Anton74 | So would anyone know why egroupware's installation tests report MySQL extension is there, but the next page (header setup) complains that there is no MySQL (or other DB) support? MySQL is in fact running, and the egroupware database has been created. |
| 00:01.26 | seven_six_two | othernoob, did you get any results with google? |
| 00:01.26 | othernoob | abrotman: no, already checked |
| 00:01.43 | othernoob | seven_six_two: what start a browser for if irc is running ;) |
| 00:02.00 | seven_six_two | othernoob, becasue this is a last resort place |
| 00:02.09 | Guerin | othernoob: because you can't browse google with an irc client? |
| 00:02.13 | Guerin | !order |
| 00:02.13 | dpkg | order is probably if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 00:02.22 | seven_six_two | that's why ppl get hostile when you ask questions about well documented errors |
| 00:02.59 | crystalremo | im trying to get ftp to work on my server, but i can't seem to find any information about my setup... ive got a server on which is running a ftp server, but also ive put iptables... im trying to setup iptables to allow ftp traffic, but i can't figure out how to do it... all ive got right now is "-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21 -j ACCEPT"... what else do i need to do? |
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| 00:03.42 | othernoob | seven_six_two: i just checked google. i beg to differ with the well documented error ;) |
| 00:03.47 | migma | crystalremo: rtfm? |
| 00:03.55 | abrotman | othernoob: exit 13 cupsd ? |
| 00:04.13 | shingouz | crystalremo: how about letting the system use the ftp control port too? it usually helps a bit |
| 00:04.16 | othernoob | abrotman: no i searched for the entire error output |
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| 00:05.05 | snooo | i can't seem to feed sound to a dmix device from two different users. is this normal or can i do something about it? |
| 00:05.18 | Anton74 | crystalremo: netfilter.org has most excellent documentation. And on a side note, shorewall may be useful to you as well. |
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| 00:06.38 | Shai_ | hello |
| 00:06.48 | crystalremo | shingouz: i thought the ftp control port was only used for active ftp connections...right? |
| 00:06.53 | Shai_ | could you help me config my DNS so that it would work? |
| 00:07.06 | Shai_ | my machine won't resolve anything |
| 00:07.28 | MobyTurbo | Shai_: is /etc/resolv.conf OK? |
| 00:07.37 | Shai_ | I don't know what the problem could be, because those DNS servers worked fine on my last system |
| 00:07.40 | Shai_ | yep, it's fine |
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| 00:07.59 | shingouz | crystalremo: i do not know what is wrong with your setup. you just stated a firewall rule here but of course no indication on what the hell does not work. does it sit on the couch all day? |
| 00:08.07 | seven_six_two | othernoob, they aren't all well documented. but i found a similar error that you can start with here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=236772 |
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| 00:08.20 | TonyRad | ok, I have x-windows installed... |
| 00:08.29 | crystalremo | weird... when i use windows cmdline ftp, i can get the file list, but when i use linux ftp i get nothing, and graphical clients get nothing... |
| 00:08.44 | crystalremo | the basic problem is that i can connect to the server, but i don't get a file list or anything... |
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| 00:09.05 | Shai_ | the DNS servers are fine, but no site would load and netstat freezes |
| 00:09.06 | seven_six_two | othernoob, are you using www.google.com/linux ? I find it more useful when i'm searching for errors |
| 00:09.34 | TonyRad | I'm still not getting kde up? |
| 00:09.46 | othernoob | seven_six_two: no i just used google this time. |
| 00:09.47 | liable | Shai_: can you ping www.google.com? |
| 00:09.53 | neiljp | anyone recommend the best procedure for dealing with a suspected mia package maintainer? |
| 00:09.56 | liable | TonyRad: with startx? |
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| 00:10.09 | TonyRad | Hey, that would do it |
| 00:10.14 | TonyRad | I think.. It's doing something |
| 00:10.16 | Shai_ | liable, nope :( |
| 00:10.21 | crystalremo | Shai_: can you do a netstat -a -n? do you have an active connection to your dns servers? |
| 00:10.30 | crystalremo | can you ping your servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:10.41 | Shai_ | I'll try |
| 00:10.50 | Shai_ | I need ti unplug this machine to do so |
| 00:10.51 | Shai_ | BRB |
| 00:10.56 | TonyRad | Bah, it started to but then it failed because I don't have a mouse plugged into the port |
| 00:11.23 | othernoob | seven_six_two: the main problem i have is, that i have a mathematical pdf file with a tiny bit of colour in it. and a b/w laser printer. and it doesn't print it. neither does it when i convert it to ps. it seems that it can't display the first page in print preview in any pdf prog(xpdf, gpdf, kpdf, konqueror) |
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| 00:11.44 | abrotman | tell it to print in B&W ? |
| 00:11.51 | othernoob | abrotman: i did |
| 00:12.05 | TonyRad | How do I set it up so that instead of trying to read a ps2 mouse it reads my laptop mouse thingy |
| 00:12.06 | othernoob | yet it still refuses |
| 00:12.07 | rbochan | othernoob: copy/paste it into another file? |
| 00:12.34 | othernoob | rbochan kinda impossible with graphics. |
| 00:12.44 | abrotman | and now you know why i don't own a printer .. just not worth the hassle :) |
| 00:12.46 | liable | !drxx TonyRad |
| 00:12.46 | rbochan | true, but it's do-able |
| 00:12.47 | dpkg | TonyRad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 00:13.05 | othernoob | abrotman: lol |
| 00:13.10 | RvGaTe | im bored |
| 00:13.11 | RvGaTe | :( |
| 00:13.16 | liable | TonyRad: choose PS2 and /dev/psaux. |
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| 00:13.23 | TonyRad | ok |
| 00:13.27 | ailas_ | dpkg: whaT? |
| 00:13.28 | dpkg | This! |
| 00:13.34 | ailas_ | fy! :) |
| 00:13.38 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 00:13.42 | mud_ | im about to upgrade to xorg and install fglrx driver should i recompile kernel first cause of upgrade to 4.0? |
| 00:13.49 | liable | either/either |
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| 00:14.21 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | well |
| 00:14.22 | liable | hmm, that doesnt really work in text. |
| 00:14.34 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | I can netstat -a -n |
| 00:14.43 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | but I can't ping my DNS servers |
| 00:14.56 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | I get "Destination Host Unreachable" on all of them |
| 00:15.15 | liable | ShaiIsNearlyDead: erm, firewall? (badly configured) |
| 00:15.26 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | I dunno |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | really? |
| 00:15.35 | liable | ShaiIsNearlyDead: behind a router? |
| 00:15.42 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | My "router" isn't a router, but a gateway, it's highly unconfigurable |
| 00:15.57 | crystalremo | any help with iptables and ftp server? ive got both on a server and when i connect to the server using linux cmdline or any graphical ftp client i can't get the file list, but when i use windows cmdline ftp i get the file list... ive got "-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21 -j ACCEPT" and a RELATED line in my iptables... also ip_conntrack_ftp is loaded. i don't know what to do and ive tried to read the manuals, but they aren't making |
| 00:16.18 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | but internet works on all the win/mac machine, and it DID work on my machine before I installed debian (I had slackware), so I don't think the gateway is the problem |
| 00:16.24 | Guerin | crystalremo: you need to allow 20 as well |
| 00:16.33 | liable | ShaiIsNearlyDead: using dhcp? |
| 00:16.35 | Guerin | crystalremo: 20 is the control connection for ftp |
| 00:16.37 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | nope, static |
| 00:16.45 | crystalremo | ShaiIsNearlyDead: reboot the router/gateway and/or your cable/dsl modem? |
| 00:16.50 | liable | ShaiIsNearlyDead: you set the gateway? |
| 00:16.54 | abrotman | ShaiIsNearlyDead: can you traceroute to a known IP ? |
| 00:17.12 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | woah, slower, I'm pretty much a n00b when it comes to linux |
| 00:17.20 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | well, the gateway is set fine in my configuration files |
| 00:17.40 | abrotman | ShaiIsNearlyDead: can you /j #flood ? |
| 00:17.43 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | I didn't try rebooting the router and the modem, but I can't now, they are physically unaccessible to me |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | ShaiIsNearlyDead: wait .. you're not on the debian box are you ? |
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| 00:18.03 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | abrotman, that wouldn't help because I can't paste, all of the files are on another machine |
| 00:18.31 | abrotman | ShaiIsNearlyDead: you did double check /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 00:18.37 | crystalremo | Guerin: allowed 20 and same result... |
| 00:18.43 | abrotman | ShaiIsNearlyDead: and do please try to traceroute to a known IP .. |
| 00:18.48 | Danar | anyone know how to copy a link address from elinks? |
| 00:18.49 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | nope, I will, what shuld I exacly check over ther? (never done this before) |
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| 00:19.03 | Guerin | crystalremo: what do the logs say? |
| 00:19.06 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | abrotman, a known IP inside the network? |
| 00:19.10 | ShaiIsNearlyDead | like, the gateway? |
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| 00:19.48 | TSSBrad | ok so it looks like killall XFree86 worked |
| 00:20.13 | TSSBrad | so how can i find out all of the processes running |
| 00:20.22 | Danar | or anything for that matter? |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | ShaiW: like .. irc.freenode.net :) |
| 00:20.53 | ShaiW | oh, that's not an IP :/ |
| 00:20.55 | liable | Danar: install gpm. |
| 00:20.59 | abrotman | !nslookup irc.freenode.net |
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| 00:21.03 | Danar | liable: i have it |
| 00:21.04 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:21.13 | abrotman | ShaiW: i know . but obivously you have another box to get an IP from |
| 00:21.19 | ShaiW | well, /etc/network/interface looks fine |
| 00:21.20 | Danar | liable: i can't select text though |
| 00:21.36 | ShaiW | but I have no idea what's the broadcast address, could it be the problem? |
| 00:21.55 | abrotman | ShaiW: what kind of box are you on now ? |
| 00:22.04 | ShaiW | a windows box |
| 00:22.30 | liable | ShaiW: join flood, and type out the bits for that interface in the interfaces file. |
| 00:22.44 | ShaiW | huh? |
| 00:22.56 | liable | its only a few lines |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | ShaiW: right ... |
| 00:23.14 | abrotman | Name: irc.freenode.net |
| 00:23.14 | abrotman | Address: 85.188.1.26 |
| 00:23.15 | abrotman | yay |
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| 00:23.26 | ShaiW | hmphh, do you want me to copy the uncommented parts of interface into #flood? |
| 00:23.27 | ShaiW | K |
| 00:23.33 | liable | Danar: reconfigure gpm. |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | ShaiW: no .. just the parts being used |
| 00:23.42 | liable | ShaiW: just that interface. |
| 00:23.45 | Danar | liable: it works fine in everything else |
| 00:23.57 | liable | Danar: ok. dunno. |
| 00:24.00 | ShaiW | hmpphh |
| 00:24.08 | ShaiW | there are only two variants |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | nvz: where is nvz_ ? |
| 00:24.13 | ShaiW | primary and loopback |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | we want eth0 |
| 00:24.22 | ShaiW | and I have no idea what loopback is and if it's relevant |
| 00:24.27 | liable | no |
| 00:24.35 | ShaiW | K, here we go |
| 00:24.37 | liable | ShaiW: the other one. |
| 00:24.40 | abrotman | it's important .. but not relevant here |
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| 00:25.07 | nvz | abrotman: he's here.. thats what I was raising a brow for.. he signed on Tue Jul 12 13:40:06 2005 with my host.. |
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| 00:25.10 | pacmac | lo |
| 00:25.11 | liable | gah |
| 00:25.14 | pacmac | someone who have installed blackrhinno on a ps2 please? |
| 00:25.19 | pacmac | the only installation method available is a NFS Image, can't from the cd |
| 00:25.30 | dylan_ | does anybody know how i can tell a CSS tag to show text, similar to document.write('text') ? |
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| 00:25.43 | nvz | abrotman: the power went out around that time.. and my alternate nick is enveezee not nvz_ |
| 00:26.15 | daedalus_ | dylan_: javascript, not css |
| 00:26.27 | rbochan | o, I"m going to give this one more shot |
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| 00:26.30 | Guerin | nvz: screen? |
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| 00:26.33 | abrotman | nvz: he's tricky |
| 00:26.45 | abrotman | dylan_: #web |
| 00:26.49 | ShaiW | done |
| 00:26.51 | daedalus_ | dylan: /topic |
| 00:27.07 | nvz | Guerin: does screen work when the power is out? |
| 00:27.33 | Guerin | nvz: not typically ... but do you have another explanation for why he's signed in from your host? |
| 00:27.51 | nvz | Guerin: nope.. in fact that one seems to be the case |
| 00:28.01 | Guerin | which one? |
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| 00:28.24 | nvz | Guerin: how the fuck.. if my machine was turned off when the power went out.. did it turn itself back on, start screen back up and signin nvz_ ? |
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| 00:28.43 | Guerin | nvz: overzealous session management? |
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| 00:29.02 | nvz | O_O |
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| 00:29.33 | DoppelGanger | a ghost |
| 00:29.55 | TonyRad | Hrmm.. |
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| 00:30.34 | karsten | OT: when was the Intel 386 chip released? |
| 00:30.43 | lars^ | Is there a smaaaall program that will display how much traffic my box uses everyday... i dont need som fancy big program to this.. Maybe just a small program that will display it in console |
| 00:30.54 | abrotman | karsten: which frequency? |
| 00:30.56 | karsten | lars^: 'ifconfig' |
| 00:30.57 | caphuso | karsten: wikiepedia |
| 00:31.02 | karsten | abrotman: FIIK. |
| 00:31.03 | caphuso | karsten: err, wikipedia |
| 00:31.12 | daedalus_ | lars^: ifconfig or tc |
| 00:31.13 | lars^ | caphuso: how offen does the ifconfig thing reset the stats? |
| 00:31.24 | karsten | caphuso: Somebody needs to create a http://www.justfuckingwikipediait.com/ |
| 00:31.28 | daedalus_ | lars^: on reboot |
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| 00:31.43 | karsten | daedalus_: tc? |
| 00:31.44 | Guerin | daedalus_: not when the interface goes down? |
| 00:31.47 | lars^ | daedalus_: i need a stat from every day.... tc = ? |
| 00:31.49 | TSSBrad | so how can i find out all of the processes running |
| 00:31.57 | Guerin | TSSBrad: ps ax |
| 00:31.59 | karsten | lars^: mrtg |
| 00:32.03 | TSSBrad | ax ? ok |
| 00:32.05 | karsten | TSSBrad: ps |
| 00:32.06 | caphuso | lars^: no idea. probably every 2^32-1 seconds or so |
| 00:32.09 | lars^ | karsten: i didnt need something big. |
| 00:32.16 | TSSBrad | ps ax will show me everything? good |
| 00:32.17 | l4vim | hello - is there any way to patch kernel 2.4.27-2 to use SMP ? |
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| 00:32.22 | karsten | lars^: Wash it on high and put it in the dryer. |
| 00:32.29 | Guerin | l4vim: you could just use a prebuilt smp kernel |
| 00:32.33 | nvz | wtf! |
| 00:32.38 | distempr | So, I'm kinda wondering... if you're running sid... why the hell is gcc 4 insatlled? it's totally not prime time... and I don't want to hear the default .. "don't use sid" :P |
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| 00:32.43 | abrotman | karsten: 1985 |
| 00:32.50 | l4vim | Guerin : no - it doesn't work with my SATA controller |
| 00:32.52 | karsten | abrotman: Danke. |
| 00:32.58 | nvz | The whole valley lost power for nearly an hour.. and my pc never went off |
| 00:33.00 | l4vim | the only one is the standart one |
| 00:33.05 | Guerin | daedalus_: don't use sid - it's for testing things and seeing how badly, not if, they break |
| 00:33.06 | karsten | abrotman: Trying to figure out what the system was a friend showed me ~1989/1990. |
| 00:33.14 | l4vim | when I install sarge works fine |
| 00:33.23 | pipeline | distempr: Well, that's the answer. |
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| 00:33.26 | nvz | I was at work in the dark.. our whole plant shut down.. and my pc never went off.. damn linux is the shit |
| 00:33.32 | pipeline | distempr: GCC 4.0 goes into sid because it's not prime time. |
| 00:33.39 | nvz | debian/rules |
| 00:33.40 | l4vim | but it doesn't support SMP |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | karsten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors |
| 00:33.43 | TSSBrad | and what was the command reconfig X so i can get my keyboard to work? |
| 00:33.49 | distempr | Guerin: Yeh, though... I forgot to switch my sources to stable... so now i'm fucked, and from what I gather, it requires a complete re-install of sarge. |
| 00:33.56 | pipeline | l4vim: Install an SMP kernel? |
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| 00:34.15 | l4vim | when I try to use SMP i have kernel panic becouse there is no SATA module initialized by initrd |
| 00:34.17 | nvz | if them lusers had been running linux instead of windows.. we wouldnt have had to stop working |
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| 00:34.18 | Guerin | distempr: well, sarge was never sid, so it's a mystery how you thought you were going to do that anyhow |
| 00:34.29 | l4vim | s/SMP/SMP-precompiled-kernel |
| 00:34.33 | distempr | Guerin: heh, yeah it's a mystery alltogether. |
| 00:35.03 | Guerin | l4vim: the same version -SMP kernel should work identically to the non-smp kernel, aside from the obvious |
| 00:35.05 | distempr | pipeline: yep, I know, i just "forgot" to stick to sarge ;P |
| 00:35.17 | ryan- | where does mysql keep it's databases on the filesystem in sarge? |
| 00:35.30 | Guerin | ryan-: /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 00:35.32 | distempr | So how does one compile "anything" if they're using sid? :o |
| 00:35.33 | pipeline | l4vim: Did you fool with mkinitrd.conf ? |
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| 00:35.42 | pipeline | distempr: Install gcc 3.x ? |
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| 00:35.53 | lars^ | Is there a smaaaall program that will display how much traffic my box uses everyday... i dont need som fancy big program to this.. Maybe just a small program that will display it in console |
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| 00:36.00 | Guerin | distempr: one uses gcc4, or one sets the gcc symlink or CC environment variable elsewise |
| 00:36.22 | pipeline | distempr: gcc33 and gcc34 didn't just disappear from the package database or anything. |
| 00:36.56 | l4vim | pipeline : should I ? |
| 00:37.36 | TSSBrad | and what was the command reconfig X so i can get my keyboard to work? anyone please? dpkg and what? |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | !drxx TSSBrad |
| 00:37.44 | dpkg | TSSBrad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:37.53 | daedalus_ | Guerin, lars^ : tc = trafficcontroller, found in the iproute package available in all flavors of debian |
| 00:38.04 | daedalus_ | !info iproute |
| 00:38.07 | dpkg | iproute: (Professional tools to control the networking in Linux kernels), section net, is optional. Version: 20041019-3 (sid), Packaged size: 719 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB |
| 00:38.31 | Guerin | Guerin: why might i want to know this? |
| 00:38.32 | daedalus_ | Ok, well, it was available in all versions |
| 00:38.33 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:38.35 | Guerin | daedalus_: |
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| 00:39.05 | daedalus_ | Guerin: [20:33:06] <Guerin> daedalus_: don't use sid - it's for testing things and..... |
| 00:39.15 | jagerman | What's the "right" way to add a comment to a bug? |
| 00:39.19 | lars^ | daedalus_: hmm man tc doest really help me how to get it up and running |
| 00:39.22 | Guerin | daedalus_: sorry, that was for distempr |
| 00:39.24 | lars^ | daedalus_: do you know? |
| 00:39.32 | daedalus_ | Guerin: Ah |
| 00:40.02 | daedalus_ | lars^: Eh?? Were you asking for a traffic reporter? |
| 00:40.06 | pacmac | someone can help me with blackrhino? |
| 00:40.08 | pipeline | l4vim: If you have screwed with mkinitrd.conf, you should delete it. If you haven't screwed with it, then yes, you should. |
| 00:40.09 | l4vim | pipeline : I can get kernel panic or get a shell |
| 00:40.38 | pipeline | l4vim: mkinitrd is run when the package system installs a new kernel. Is this a kernel you compiled yourself that has the fucked initrd? |
| 00:40.38 | lars^ | daedalus_: i needed a tool too display how much traffic my box use everyday in MB or GB nothing big and fancy |
| 00:40.56 | MoLoot | lars^: try ifconfig as root? |
| 00:41.19 | lars^ | MoLoot: seen it but it resets first after reboot or if the interface went down. |
| 00:41.19 | l4vim | pipeline: now I try to run from .deb : kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 00:41.20 | MoLoot | lars^: It will tell you how much traffic has passed through your network interfaces |
| 00:42.20 | daedalus_ | lars^: /sbin/tc -s qdisc |
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| 00:42.51 | l4vim | pipeline: it's detect my hda but it doesn't work - I can choose - kernel panic or shell |
| 00:42.55 | lars^ | daedalus_: Sent 99186884010 bytes 264848644 pkts, but how loong is that for? |
| 00:43.06 | richb | Anyone know of a decent Firewall/Nat howto (2.6 kernel)? |
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| 00:43.37 | daedalus_ | lars^: either since the last reboot, or since the last ifup/down. To make it meaningful, you will have to keep track of the previous days/hours/whatevers value |
| 00:44.10 | lars^ | daedalus_: its the same as ifconfog :-/ |
| 00:44.11 | pipeline | l4vim: Sounds like you need to boot to a kernel that works and make changes to mkinitrd.conf so it includes the modules you need. |
| 00:44.13 | lars^ | fig* |
| 00:44.22 | daedalus_ | lars^: A php script and a temp file will help you with that, but it's not aa debian problem |
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| 00:44.36 | richb | something akin to the openbsd pf faq would be just peachy:) |
| 00:44.51 | DoppelGanger | richb: openbsd.org he eh |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | richb: netfilter.org ... #iptables |
| 00:45.11 | kodek | So.. I just installed my new Debian server, and I'm trying to use my ISP's SMTP server as a smarthost, but it needs secure authentication. Where can I change that? (I'm using exim4) |
| 00:45.23 | richb | abrotman: k, ty:) |
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| 00:46.23 | abrotman | richb: though .. if you want like obsd .. use obsd :) |
| 00:46.50 | l4vim | pipeline : if my initrd works for 2.4.27-2 isn't should work for 2.4.27-2-smp ? |
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| 00:47.04 | pipeline | l4vim: No. Every kernel should have its own initrd. |
| 00:47.14 | pipeline | l4vim: Because every kernel has its own set of modules |
| 00:47.28 | ralf | why X.Org maintains its own version of the Mesa libraries? |
| 00:47.44 | l4vim | pipeline : ok, so.. what should I do ? |
| 00:48.08 | richb | abrotman: heh:P |
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| 00:48.24 | abrotman | ralf: ask them |
| 00:48.26 | l4vim | pipeline : I have that 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
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| 00:48.37 | l4vim | pipeline : /boot/initrd... for it |
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| 00:49.07 | pipeline | l4vim: /boot/initrd is a symlink to something else. |
| 00:49.17 | kodek | Anyone? :\ |
| 00:49.18 | pipeline | l4vim: It is possible that you're using the wrong initrd with the wrong kernel. |
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| 00:50.15 | MobyTurbo | kodek: #exim |
| 00:50.21 | l4vim | pipeline : I have grub, there I have some /boot/initrd.img.... then I have correct /initrd.img and old /initrd.imq.old that it's symlink to /boot/.... |
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| 00:50.31 | kodek | MobyTurbo, ok |
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| 00:52.41 | quittt | hi |
| 00:52.48 | quittt | where can I get emule for linux? |
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| 00:53.21 | Guerin | ralf: ask gravity or debian-x mailing list |
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| 00:53.35 | ralf | gravity? |
| 00:54.11 | l4vim | pipeline : any idea ? |
| 00:54.12 | Guerin | ralf: the person who built the x.org packaghes in sid, he's a regular here, but right now I expect he's off getting drunk someplace |
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| 00:54.22 | ralf | ok |
| 00:54.28 | pipeline | l4vim: Those are all symlinks. |
| 00:54.39 | pipeline | l4vim: The real files are located in /boot if you are using debian. |
| 00:54.43 | ralf | gnite people |
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| 00:54.56 | l4vim | pipeline : on / yes , on /boot real files |
| 00:55.11 | deja_vu_ | quittt: there are clones like amule or xmule available |
| 00:55.34 | j4cbo | how long is it likely to take for the libraries in sid to stabilize? |
| 00:55.42 | Guerin | j4cbo: might never happen |
| 00:56.01 | j4cbo | i mean gcc4-wise |
| 00:56.05 | Guerin | j4cbo: sid's in a constant state of flux - as soon as one thing gets fixed, something else is liable to break |
| 00:56.27 | Guerin | j4cbo: once all the c++ packages rebuild, I expect |
| 00:56.38 | Guerin | a few days to a week, i'd guess |
| 00:56.55 | j4cbo | that's not that bad then |
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| 00:57.00 | jim | is that from the time gcc4 is introduced? |
| 00:57.04 | distempr | I guess, my main question was that if gcc4 is so unstable, why wouldn't it have hit the experimental repository? |
| 00:57.08 | Guerin | it's a guess |
| 00:57.22 | distempr | Though I didn't ask that ;) |
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| 00:57.54 | j4cbo | it's not really unstable, just an abi break |
| 00:58.07 | jim | distempr: look at the other two choices: there's testing, where packages can go after a time of nonbugginess... |
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| 00:58.14 | jim | and there's stable... |
| 00:58.23 | michal_ | anyone here familiar with the evils of saslauthd ?? |
| 00:58.24 | jim | oh, but wait, that's not a choice at all! |
| 00:58.32 | caphuso | gcc4 was in experimental for quite some time |
| 00:59.04 | l4vim | pipeline : ? |
| 00:59.11 | jim | stable is already released (by debian definition that is) and so no new features or versions! |
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| 00:59.15 | pipeline | l4vim: Use the appropriate initrd to the kernel! |
| 00:59.19 | michal_ | it's been a true nightmare |
| 00:59.21 | jim | so we're left with testing |
| 00:59.21 | StuckMojo | so how do you start X now that x.Org is in? |
| 00:59.28 | caphuso | jim: you forgot the third option: keep it in experimental and stay binary incompatible with the rest of the world for eternity :) |
| 00:59.31 | distempr | jim: good point, I guess bleeding edge isn't so super. |
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| 00:59.48 | jim | caphuso: like that would ever happen :) |
| 00:59.56 | michal_ | ie.. authenticauin failure despite authentication success.. because.. supposedly.. the authenticated user isn't the same one I'm trying to authenticate.. even though he is |
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| 01:00.12 | gravity | StuckMojo: The same way you start xfree86 |
| 01:00.13 | jim | not unless Steve Jobs were DPL... |
| 01:00.24 | StuckMojo | gravity oddly, it now says startx is not found |
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| 01:00.28 | abrotman | !smack jim |
| 01:00.43 | jim | !smack dpkg |
| 01:00.53 | jim | dpkg: thanks |
| 01:00.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, thanks is thats ok |
| 01:00.58 | gravity | StuckMojo: Do you have xbase-clients installed? |
| 01:01.05 | StuckMojo | apt-get dist-upgrade removed it |
| 01:01.12 | StuckMojo | hmph |
| 01:01.19 | l4vim | pipeline : as I intall apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-smp it gives me initrd on /boot and makes symlink from /initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686-smp and /initrd.img.old -> boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:01.30 | jim | you could reinstall it |
| 01:01.51 | StuckMojo | crap. it want's to remove a shitload of stuff to install it, like blender |
| 01:02.15 | StuckMojo | pgadmin3, xlibmesa... |
| 01:02.20 | StuckMojo | wtf? |
| 01:02.24 | jim | l4vim: yes... so your lilo or grub config could start from /vmlinuz etc, or you could use /boot/vmlinuz-whichonespecifically |
| 01:02.27 | gravity | StuckMojo: Welcome the the C++ ABI transition |
| 01:02.47 | gravity | GLU is the only C++ lib in X.Org, but it has to be transitioned. Anything depending on it will have to be rebuilt. |
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| 01:02.55 | keymaster | hi |
| 01:02.59 | gravity | xlibmesa-glu can go |
| 01:03.03 | gravity | It's obsolete |
| 01:03.10 | keymaster | how can i fix the screen resolution? |
| 01:03.14 | StuckMojo | so what, let it remove them, then re-install them? |
| 01:03.26 | xsdg | dpkg: no, thanks is <reply> that's ok |
| 01:03.26 | dpkg | okay, xsdg |
| 01:03.27 | StuckMojo | or should i have waited... |
| 01:03.28 | jim | keymaster: your screen is unresolved?! |
| 01:03.30 | deadcat | keymaster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:03.38 | gravity | StuckMojo: Re-install them later when they no longer conflict with X.Org. Either that or downgrade to xfree86 until the apps are rebuilt |
| 01:03.48 | l4vim | jim: I have grub: it have /boot/vmlinuz-..smp and /boot/initrd-..smp on it |
| 01:03.48 | gravity | StuckMojo: Either way, one of the two has to go |
| 01:03.49 | keymaster | deadcat ok |
| 01:03.58 | keymaster | jim is small |
| 01:04.06 | StuckMojo | gravity well, nvidia-glx wants to go, and that's a stopper for me |
| 01:04.15 | StuckMojo | i guess i'll painfully downgrade |
| 01:04.17 | gravity | Yeah, that has to be re-done too |
| 01:04.24 | StuckMojo | this is gonna suck |
| 01:04.39 | xsdg | jim: weird |
| 01:04.46 | gravity | StuckMojo: It's not that hard really... |
| 01:04.49 | keymaster | xDD |
| 01:04.52 | gravity | For a limited number of packages anyway |
| 01:04.53 | l4vim | jim: in menu.lst |
| 01:04.58 | StuckMojo | gravity can you suggest an easy way? |
| 01:05.22 | StuckMojo | i had just done a plain upgrade and everything was fine...then i figured "eh, what the hell" |
| 01:05.26 | jim | if you want to boot the last thing installed, you could also include /vmlinuz and /initrd.img... |
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| 01:05.36 | jim | but that's not necessary |
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| 01:05.45 | gravity | StuckMojo: aptitude lets you select a version that you want, although it'll default by pinning. So if you're stuf at unstable by default and add testing to your sources list, you can go through each X package and downgrade it. Just hit enter for each package, scroll to the bottom of the screen and select the old version |
| 01:05.53 | gravity | StuckMojo: It's a bit of a pain, but not that bad at all really |
| 01:06.08 | gravity | StuckMojo: You'll have to do a few things by hand too, like going back to xfree86-common from x11-common |
| 01:06.10 | Nwallins | gravity: pinning? |
| 01:06.23 | jerome | grr, it seems xorg packages are not working properly yet :/ |
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| 01:06.37 | gravity | Nwallins: Google for it or check man apt_preferences. It's a pain and I don't recommend it for anyone who doesn't need it. |
| 01:06.41 | gravity | jerome: How so? |
| 01:06.42 | jim | jerome: wtf do you expect?! they are UNSTABLE |
| 01:06.49 | liable | jerome: sheesh, its called unstable for a reason... |
| 01:07.00 | StuckMojo | gravity thatnks |
| 01:07.04 | jim | jerome: sorry... |
| 01:07.05 | gravity | StuckMojo: Good luck |
| 01:07.10 | StuckMojo | gravity lol |
| 01:07.26 | Nwallins | he don't need luck.. he's got mojo |
| 01:07.40 | jim | jerome: I expect you mean "they don't work and now I'm going to sit here, find out why, and collaborate with gravity for a solution" |
| 01:07.54 | deadcat | xorg is officially IN sid. p.d.o confirms it |
| 01:08.10 | gravity | Yeah, it won't be hitting etch for a little while though |
| 01:08.21 | deadcat | gravity: even ppc sid )= |
| 01:08.23 | gravity | -3 will hopefully be the one to go in to etch |
| 01:08.24 | jim | evidently it has bugs :) |
| 01:08.30 | gravity | deadcat: Oh yeah? I didn't know that. Nice. |
| 01:08.30 | StuckMojo | gravity meh. i'll just give in and let nvidia-glx go for a couple days. won't be playing games for a while anyway |
| 01:08.48 | deadcat | gravity: only x86 for now |
| 01:09.03 | gravity | Ah. Well, we'll get ppc packages ready asap. I think tomorrow it should hit ppc. |
| 01:09.22 | gravity | As well as amd64, sparc, and maybe mips. Maybe ia64 as well. |
| 01:09.30 | l4vim | jim, pipeline : it works - my stupid mistake ;( sorry |
| 01:09.47 | jim | l4vim: good job! what was the problem? |
| 01:09.52 | gravity | jerome: How are the packages not working for you? |
| 01:10.05 | jerome | jim: I'm working on it. Though I don't really get if the problem comes from xorg or the mga driver. Screens are permuted, and I can't find what's going on. |
| 01:10.30 | jim | jerome: gravity here is the maint... he would like to speak to you about what the problem is |
| 01:10.31 | pipeline | l4vim: Sorry nothing. You solved a problem, for yourself, on your own. That's a good thing. :) |
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| 01:10.52 | l4vim | jim: possibly I make something bad with my own kernel - the same version so I have incorrect initrd on the same name - I apr-ger remove --purge, clean up, apt-get install and it works ;) |
| 01:11.28 | jim | l4vim: that's the way it should work |
| 01:11.43 | jim | what kind of cleanup did you have to do? |
| 01:11.54 | l4vim | I have some problem with 6300ESB - it doesn't work with my 2.6 - so I try to use 2.4.27 (as standard) with SMP |
| 01:12.00 | jerome | gravity: well, I have a dual head setup. Say monitor iiyama is screen 0 and acer is screen 1. Acer monitor strangely take its config from the iiyama monitor section block and vice versa. |
| 01:12.17 | l4vim | jim : I rm all my garbage from /boot |
| 01:12.25 | gravity | hrm |
| 01:12.27 | jim | ahh |
| 01:12.34 | deadcat | whos in charge of transset and xcompmgr? |
| 01:12.35 | jerome | gravity: changing screen number in device or serverlayout sections doesn't change anything ... |
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| 01:12.50 | l4vim | jim: all my old tryes (2.6.11-12, 2.4.31 and others kernels) |
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| 01:13.07 | jerome | gravity: of course this config was just fine with xfree server. |
| 01:13.26 | l4vim | with some different compiled in futures |
| 01:13.49 | mdh | jerome: if you use matrox's drivers, you need to change to the xorg version... |
| 01:13.58 | l4vim | I have 3 PM so... I'm tired... |
| 01:14.06 | jerome | mdh: sorry ? |
| 01:14.14 | l4vim | this box must run on morning |
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| 01:14.35 | l4vim | don't you ever never buy box with 6300ESB controller |
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| 01:14.36 | mdh | jerome: ignore me if you don't use matrox's drivers |
| 01:14.37 | l4vim | ! |
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| 01:15.09 | l4vim | unles someone write good code for it ;) or if you can by your own ;) |
| 01:15.11 | gravity | jerome: Would it be possible for you to put your X.Org logfile in a pastebin? |
| 01:15.12 | jim | l4vim: thanks for the tip... but that |
| 01:15.18 | jim | will change soemday |
| 01:15.20 | l4vim | thank you |
| 01:15.29 | l4vim | i hope |
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| 01:15.54 | l4vim | I have googled whole internet for solution - I sow only the same - problems without solutions |
| 01:15.57 | jim | so what controller/driver you using now? |
| 01:16.04 | l4vim | this one |
| 01:16.08 | l4vim | but on 2.4. |
| 01:16.27 | l4vim | on 2.6 I get kernel panic |
| 01:16.28 | l4vim | or |
| 01:16.43 | l4vim | hdparm -d 1 don't work |
| 01:16.48 | OsirisX11 | sup ya'll. hoping i'm a n00b.. installed debian sarge a week ago... can't get 2.6 to run corrrectly, stops on panic error reading VFS off hdb..i've tried several guides..hoping i could get some support |
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| 01:16.52 | l4vim | this is when I use generic |
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| 01:16.57 | l4vim | ide driver |
| 01:17.06 | OsirisX11 | s/hoping im a noob/i'm a noob. :) |
| 01:17.11 | abrotman | OsirisX11: did you try to compile 2.6 .. or install a debian packaged 2.6 ? |
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| 01:17.32 | jim | you're hoping you're a noob??! |
| 01:17.44 | mdh | !noob |
| 01:17.44 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 01:17.44 | OsirisX11 | i tried and did compile a couple of 2.6 packages (src--> .deb) and did dpkg -i on them, they successfully added but fail on boot |
| 01:17.59 | ducky | I just installed debian sarge 3.1 and need to setup iptables. Is there a quick and dirty howto out there for that? |
| 01:18.03 | l4vim | jim: http://www.czajen.pl/~l4vim/xeon/ |
| 01:18.12 | l4vim | jim: there is dump about my box |
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| 01:18.28 | l4vim | jim: with 2.4.27 kernel (without SMP) |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | OsirisX11: first time .. just get a packaged kernel .. not one you compile yourself |
| 01:18.52 | OsirisX11 | fair enough |
| 01:18.54 | jim | how much ram you got? |
| 01:18.58 | NOthsouth | where can I read some information about play more than one sound at same time .. because I can`t here... |
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| 01:19.08 | jerome | mdh: you mean drivers from matrox.com ? |
| 01:19.08 | jerome | gravity: ho, no problemo. |
| 01:19.08 | jerome | gravity: http://amata.ath.cx/~nerf/etc/xorg.conf |
| 01:19.12 | OsirisX11 | i get it at the same place i get my kernel source, kernel.org? or should i use synaptic? |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | OsirisX11: there are software packages that 2.6 needs that aren't installed until you install a debian packaged 2.6 .. or install them manually |
| 01:19.19 | OsirisX11 | or apt get |
| 01:19.21 | thatguy100 | anyone running any 3550 cisco switches in here? |
| 01:19.23 | l4vim | thank you all |
| 01:19.29 | l4vim | cu |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | OsirisX11: use syntaptic .. what CPU do youhave ? |
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| 01:19.56 | mdh | well, here goes nothing. |
| 01:20.13 | OsirisX11 | ....okay... i know... i know... celeron 533 (ppga) |
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| 01:20.42 | OsirisX11 | i feel so diry when i type celeron. :( |
| 01:20.48 | abrotman | OsirisX11: that's -686 .. so apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:21.16 | OsirisX11 | thanks abrotman :) |
| 01:21.26 | OsirisX11 | thanks others. ttyl. |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | OsirisX11: don't forget to pray before rebooting |
| 01:21.49 | OsirisX11 | to the computer gods. |
| 01:21.50 | OsirisX11 | sure. |
| 01:21.57 | OsirisX11 | or do i pray to tux? |
| 01:22.06 | OsirisX11 | or the debian swirl? |
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| 01:22.23 | mdh | jerome: wb |
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| 01:22.24 | jerome | gravity: sorry I got disconnected ... |
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| 01:22.48 | Hiruko | i'm having trouble with the 8139 realtek network card. |
| 01:23.03 | Hiruko | i can connect but i get ping in the 10,000s |
| 01:23.18 | Hiruko | this is with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:23.36 | gravity | jerome: Do you have the log file as well? |
| 01:23.38 | Hiruko | is there a way to get it to work? |
| 01:23.39 | mdh | Hiruko: have you tried the other driver? there's two for 8139s |
| 01:23.46 | Hiruko | yes cp and too |
| 01:23.49 | jerome | gravity: lemme generate one :) |
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| 01:23.53 | Hiruko | both are loaded when i type lsmod |
| 01:24.06 | quittt | do you know a good jabber server with icq and msn transport? |
| 01:24.10 | mdh | Hiruko: that's bound to cause problems... :/ |
| 01:24.26 | mdh | quittt: er... jabberd ? |
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| 01:24.52 | Hiruko | but when i remove cp it doesn't work at all |
| 01:25.04 | Hiruko | is it cp or too that is compatible with 2.6 |
| 01:25.14 | mdh | Hiruko: both |
| 01:25.14 | jerome | gravity: see Xorg.0.log at the same adress |
| 01:25.22 | mdh | Hiruko: its a matter of which is compatible with your card |
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| 01:25.41 | mdh | Hiruko: you would probably need to unload both, then load one at a time, see which one works |
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| 01:26.13 | Hiruko | okay |
| 01:26.16 | Hiruko | i'll try that |
| 01:26.42 | M4hd1 | any issues on breakage with gcc4.0 and x.org yet? |
| 01:26.45 | mdh | Hiruko: then you'd have to fix your modules.conf |
| 01:27.07 | deadcat | whos in charge of transset and xcompmgr? |
| 01:27.13 | Hiruko | in 2.4 i was using 8139too |
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| 01:27.39 | Hiruko | i'll brb |
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| 01:27.58 | kodek | So I went to #exim, but I think everyone is afk. Does anyone know how to enable authentication for connections to my ISP's smarthost? |
| 01:28.11 | Hiruko | okay it works with 8139too but i get pings like 400-10,000 to my router |
| 01:28.37 | EdibleText | kodek, dig into exim.conf .. there is commented instructions IIRC |
| 01:28.42 | mdh | !they don't know |
| 01:28.42 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:28.54 | kodek | EdibleText, I've already gone through all the config files. I'm using exim4, btw. |
| 01:28.57 | xavierk | Hello, I am a RedHat user, i am trying to help a friend. He installed a minimal install of Debian, he doesn't have the cd's with him. We need to install openssh, but apt-get isn't installing it...any suggestions |
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| 01:29.34 | jerome | gravity: apparently the config is just OK, but the log says "mode clock XXXMHz exceeds DDC maximum 110Hz which actually is visible as the screens are indeed inverted. |
| 01:29.44 | tictac | xavierk: what's in the sources.list? |
| 01:29.46 | mdh | xavierk: apt-get update so you have the current packages list |
| 01:29.51 | jim | xavierk: you could find the right .deb and install it using dpkg |
| 01:29.53 | tictac | xavierk: over the network or using cd? |
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| 01:30.04 | Hiruko | any ideas? |
| 01:30.07 | mdh | xavierk: then apt-cache search ssh to get the real package name of the ssh server & client |
| 01:30.13 | mdh | xavierk: then apt-get install those packages |
| 01:30.35 | jim | I have an idea! let's each find a bass player and give him money! |
| 01:30.39 | mdh | Hiruko: can you try plugging the cable into a different port on the router? |
| 01:30.47 | Hiruko | i did that |
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| 01:30.52 | xavierk | I copied the info and I will try it |
| 01:30.59 | mdh | Hiruko: if that's stil the same, try a different cable |
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| 01:31.08 | Hiruko | the cable is also fine |
| 01:31.15 | Hiruko | as i said the network works in kernetl 2.4 |
| 01:31.18 | xavierk | where is the sources.list file? |
| 01:31.28 | mdh | xavierk: /etc/apt/ |
| 01:31.41 | mdh | xavierk: it should have entries like |
| 01:32.00 | mdh | deb http://ftp.<yourcountrycode>.debian.org/debian stable main |
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| 01:32.09 | Osirisx11 | i still get the same error, how can i access that boot log so i can paste the error msg? something about it not being able to find the boot= line, unable to boot off hdb1, panic error while reading the vfs |
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| 01:32.34 | mdh | Osirisx11: which boot loader are you using? |
| 01:32.36 | Osirisx11 | sounds like a bootloaded conf problem |
| 01:32.37 | Osirisx11 | yea |
| 01:32.56 | mdh | please say grub ;) |
| 01:33.07 | sciboy | Hi, what project management solution would you recommend for a small team with lots of non-computer focused work? |
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| 01:33.22 | Osirisx11 | i prefer grub but i dont know that that is the one i'm using. |
| 01:33.29 | Osirisx11 | i think its grub |
| 01:33.41 | mdh | Osirisx11: does the screen ever say LILO when you boot? |
| 01:33.45 | Osirisx11 | lol |
| 01:33.49 | gravity | jerome: Yeah, it thinks it's using the right monitor, but it's talking to the wrong one. Maybe this is an i2c issue... |
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| 01:34.10 | mdh | gravity: matrox cards are fun... the screens are backwards |
| 01:34.11 | Osirisx11 | well the lilo command doesnt exist, but grub does |
| 01:34.20 | xavierk | mdh: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main <--Correct for USA? |
| 01:34.47 | mdh | gravity: I have a working dual-head setup now for mga, and will (in a minute) have to fix it for xorg |
| 01:34.49 | ducky | anyone know of a good quick and dirty howto for setting up iptables on debian sarge? |
| 01:34.51 | gravity | jerome: Try the swap option |
| 01:35.00 | gravity | mdh: Yeah, I just found a bug report mentioning that workaround |
| 01:35.05 | xsdg | xavierk: not really the answer to your question, but in the past I've found the canadian servers to be faster than US at times (not sure how much has changed; it's been some time) |
| 01:35.15 | mdh | gravity: I had all sorts of fun trying to bind the right monitor to the right screen |
| 01:35.27 | gravity | mdh: I've never used dual head, so this is all new to me |
| 01:35.51 | mdh | gravity: would you like me to upload my current XF86Config-4 file somewhere? |
| 01:36.00 | jerome | gravity: oki, swap option ... |
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| 01:36.43 | Osirisx11 | mdm: grub |
| 01:37.01 | gravity | mdh: Yeah, that might be really helpful |
| 01:37.10 | mdh | http://www.goldweb.com.au/~matt/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:37.15 | jerome | gravity: hum, I can't find a "swap" option, could you tell me more about this one ? |
| 01:37.34 | gravity | jerome: All I know about it is this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2038 |
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| 01:37.42 | mdh | Osirisx11: the menu config is /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:37.53 | Osirisx11 | mdm: k what should i change? |
| 01:38.08 | jerome | gravity: thanks ! |
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| 01:38.13 | mdh | Osirisx11: if you're not sure where to point things though, reboot, and at the grub menu go to the prompt. then you can play games ;) |
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| 01:38.40 | mdh | gravity: at home I have a triple-head setup but can't get the third monitor to work :( |
| 01:38.44 | gravity | Damn |
| 01:38.54 | mdh | it's fine on boot, X just doesn't want to know about it |
| 01:39.09 | mdh | I'll have to try with your packages though... now that they're there |
| 01:39.09 | Osirisx11 | haha wow this grub conf is a lot nicer than what i remember from lilo |
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| 01:39.38 | michal_ | it sucks to always find bugs in all software :( |
| 01:39.50 | mdh | Osirisx11: okay, in that config file there's a bunch of stuff up the top that is used by update-grub to generate the lines at the bottom |
| 01:39.53 | kspath_ | mdh sure the display setup is all good? |
| 01:39.58 | mdh | brb, phone call |
| 01:40.04 | Lanz | Hey guys, I just dist-upgraded with unstable, now I'm on xorg. |
| 01:40.10 | Lanz | How do I get glx to work. |
| 01:40.16 | Lanz | It broke with the update. |
| 01:40.33 | Lanz | Is there an nVidia one-liner for xorg? |
| 01:41.01 | Azar | Lanz maybe at the xorg site |
| 01:41.06 | Osirisx11 | (i long for the day when the answer to that question is "see the docs on nvidia.com') |
| 01:41.06 | Lanz | Aww c'mon. |
| 01:41.16 | JoshH | xorg is in unstable now? |
| 01:41.21 | Guerin | JoshH: 1 |
| 01:41.25 | Lanz | I'm using the Debian supplied drivers from contrib and nonfree. |
| 01:41.29 | Lanz | The docs ain't going to help. |
| 01:41.29 | gravity | jerome: Try enabling "SwappedHead" as true |
| 01:41.34 | JoshH | ah, i see |
| 01:41.36 | Azar | the way I hear, Debian does not provide support for xorg so far.. maybe I am wrong |
| 01:41.41 | gravity | jerome: I had to delve in to the mga driver source for that, so I don't know if it's going to work... |
| 01:41.42 | Guerin | !beer gravity |
| 01:41.42 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.44 | gravity | jerome: Yes |
| 01:41.50 | Osirisx11 | Lanz: i know man, i was joking i know they arent with the F/Oss |
| 01:41.52 | Lanz | Like the nVidia one liner, but for xorg. |
| 01:41.58 | jerome | gravity: in which section a priori ? |
| 01:42.03 | Guerin | Lanz: come on, it's been in unstable less than a day. Work it out for yourself. |
| 01:42.08 | gravity | jerome: I don't know... I think the device ones |
| 01:42.10 | jerome | gravity: device section, in both ? |
| 01:42.17 | jerome | oki then, trying :) |
| 01:42.20 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.21 | gravity | jerome: Got me :-) |
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| 01:42.26 | jerome | thanks gravity |
| 01:42.26 | Lanz | I'm sure you've all got yours updated. |
| 01:42.49 | Osirisx11 | gdb; what should i do with the grub conf? |
| 01:42.50 | gravity | Lanz: When the nvidia-glx maintainer gets a chance to update his package for x.org, it'll install |
| 01:43.21 | DoppelGanger | he eh xorg la la land |
| 01:43.29 | gravity | Lanz: Until then you'll either have to wait without nvidia-glx or downgrade to xfree86 |
| 01:43.47 | Lanz | Ahh that's like sweet how I have no drivers then eh. |
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| 01:43.59 | Lanz | Can I switch to xfree86? I have both installed as far as I know. |
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| 01:44.04 | gravity | Lanz: You can't use the regular nv driver for a few days? |
| 01:44.07 | gravity | Lanz: Or vesa? |
| 01:44.55 | Azar | ...or do the nvidia installer from the nvidia site... since it is broken you can't broke it more than it is |
| 01:44.56 | gravity | Christ... people bitch about not having X.Org for ages, and then they bitch about it breaking things for a few days when they do go in. |
| 01:44.58 | Lanz | Does nVidia have OpenGL acceleration? |
| 01:45.13 | Lanz | The NV driver??? |
| 01:45.17 | pipeline | Lanz: No. |
| 01:45.17 | DoppelGanger | ah ah |
| 01:45.18 | ducky | where does debian keep the iptables config? |
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| 01:45.26 | pipeline | Lanz: The 'nvidia' driver, which is proprietary, does. |
| 01:45.28 | caphuso | ducky: nowhere, basically |
| 01:45.29 | gravity | Yes, the NV DRIVER!!!!! |
| 01:45.38 | pipeline | Lanz: the 'nv' driver has 2d and video accelereation, but no OpenGL accel |
| 01:45.46 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.48 | Lanz | That's all. |
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| 01:45.54 | DoppelGanger | ha ah |
| 01:46.03 | gravity | Lanz: Downgrade to xfree86 |
| 01:46.09 | Lanz | Awwwwwwwwww. |
| 01:46.09 | gravity | That's your option |
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| 01:46.20 | abrotman | gravity: that's not an option |
| 01:46.27 | gravity | Lanz: If you really want, set up a simple chroot with sarge and use that for Doom for a fe days. That's probably easiest. |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | gravity: option implies choice :) |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
| 01:46.40 | Osirisx11 | gdb: what should i do with the grub conf? |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | the other option is to not play stupid video games |
| 01:46.58 | jim | gravity: well it does put some pressure on you, to be sure.. but if enough people who have read the link at /msg dpkg smart questions talk to you, you'll get it doen faster :) |
| 01:46.58 | emag | abrotman: it's a choice. x.org, or opengl accel :-) |
| 01:46.59 | Lanz | Ok, so how to downgrade then? |
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| 01:47.31 | abrotman | gravity: are you old enoguh fro beer? |
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| 01:47.42 | Lanz | Downgrade? |
| 01:47.44 | Lanz | How? |
| 01:47.57 | Osirisx11 | lanz: you're impatient man lol |
| 01:48.01 | cheale1 | gravity: sorry, but I was about to ask...it was *my* idea! |
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| 01:48.10 | cheale1 | s/gravity/abrotman |
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| 01:48.17 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:48.38 | cheal | I was more thinking about pure alcohol though |
| 01:48.50 | quittt | do you know a good emule app for debian? |
| 01:48.52 | Guerin | Lanz: you're running sid. Work it out for yourself. |
| 01:48.59 | Lanz | Meh. |
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| 01:49.06 | Lanz | Ill just wait for the damned updates then. |
| 01:49.09 | abrotman | cheal: huh? |
| 01:49.09 | Lanz | Fuck that. |
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| 01:49.14 | Osirisx11 | lol |
| 01:49.16 | Osirisx11 | he was pissed |
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| 01:49.20 | Guerin | !customer |
| 01:49.21 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 01:49.26 | Guerin | he was a twat |
| 01:49.26 | tripppy | where do i go for smoothwall help? |
| 01:49.30 | jakel | hi, some speak spanish? |
| 01:49.32 | Wimpie | I need some help with getting mail of my PC to my ISP from command line |
| 01:49.34 | Azar | nah, he does not have what it takes to drive a Debian: patience |
| 01:49.41 | caphuso | phew, startx still works |
| 01:49.41 | Guerin | dug himself a hole he couldn't climb out of, and blamed other people |
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| 01:49.54 | Osirisx11 | is there a gnu less gay irc client than ksirc or is ksirc pretty much it? i guess xchat...hmm |
| 01:50.02 | abrotman | Guerin: i know .. wait .. i know .. DON"T RUN SID! |
| 01:50.07 | Guerin | Osirisx11: irssi-text |
| 01:50.12 | Osirisx11 | ty |
| 01:50.13 | Azar | irssi is the best |
| 01:50.20 | paster | "SerajewelKS" at 69.95.62.136 pasted "automount not working" (36 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/339 |
| 01:50.22 | Guerin | abrotman: 2 l8, m8 |
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| 01:50.23 | Osirisx11 | text i assume is ncurses? |
| 01:50.24 | tripppy | anyone used smoothwall? |
| 01:50.25 | cheal | abrotman: ordinary beer has too low alcohol for gravity's case |
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| 01:50.45 | abrotman | Osirisx11: yes |
| 01:51.02 | Osirisx11 | i want graphical so i guess i just get irssi without the text suffix |
| 01:51.02 | SerajewelKS | can anyone diagnose my paste? automount is installed, and the config files are as specified (yes, i restarted autofs). after plugging in my thumb drive, automount does nothing. |
| 01:51.05 | SerajewelKS | http://channels.debian.net/paste/339 |
| 01:51.06 | Wimpie | has anybody experience setting up debian so that if I use the 'mail' command from a script the msg is sent to my ISP ? |
| 01:51.18 | cheal | abrotman: I'll call lenovo when I get a chance to ask them which wireless chipsets their laptops use |
| 01:51.21 | caphuso | Wimpie: at least a few thousand people |
| 01:51.28 | emag | Osirisx11: irssi is teh rox |
| 01:51.30 | emag | bah |
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| 01:51.58 | steve___ | i just installed mysql- how do i make a mysql user? |
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| 01:52.04 | abrotman | cheal: like they'll know .. you'd have better luck reading posts at linux-laptop.net and looking for a recent post |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | steve___: #mysql |
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| 01:52.15 | Wimpie | well I tried to configure exim - failed - nullmailer - failed - ssmtp - failed all because my ISP refuses to relay but why does kmail work then ? |
| 01:52.36 | cheal | abrotman: argh |
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| 01:52.52 | caphuso | Wimpie: some kind of authentification scheme? smtp-auth, pop-before-smtp, ...? |
| 01:52.59 | Azar | Wimpie what that means" refuses to relay " ? |
| 01:53.21 | Wimpie | 550 you are not allowed to send mail to <wim.delvaux@adaptiveplanet.com> |
| 01:53.26 | NOthsouth | what lib i need install for be able to play rmvb videos???? |
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| 01:53.30 | Wimpie | is what I get back |
| 01:54.12 | quittt | ALERTA: Falha ao analisar valor padrão `(??????-?,???????)' para o esquema (/schemas/apps/gnome-terminal/global/active_encodings) |
| 01:54.28 | Azar | !br |
| 01:54.28 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:55.11 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, you know much about autofs/automount? |
| 01:55.22 | Azar | Wimpie have you contacted your ISP with this issue? |
| 01:55.40 | caphuso | quittt: don't you realize how friggin' stupid it is to send non-english error messages to an english speaking channel? |
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| 01:55.54 | SerajewelKS | Wimpie, your ISP may require SMTP authentication |
| 01:55.59 | Wimpie | no but he does only 'support' windows ... and It works because I can send through SMTP from kmail |
| 01:56.10 | OsirisX11 | what can i do to make my 2.6 kernel boot? It says it needs something after boot= and it fails with a panic syncing to vfs or some shit |
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| 01:56.16 | quittt | caphuso, no |
| 01:56.18 | Wimpie | in kmail smtp authentication is unchecked |
| 01:56.25 | caphuso | quittt: then you should start using your brain a bit |
| 01:56.33 | mdh | OsirisX11: the kernel needs to be told what your root filesystem is with the root= parameter |
| 01:56.42 | caphuso | OsirisX11: use a debian kernel image and don't compile your own kernels |
| 01:56.43 | mdh | OsirisX11: this is done by default in the standard grub config |
| 01:56.45 | Azar | Wimpie thats nonsense, my ISP does not support linux as well still, I have no problem connecting or e-mailing |
| 01:57.09 | OsirisX11 | i did use apt-get to install the 2.6 package |
| 01:57.18 | SerajewelKS | Wimpie, i'd install ethereal and see what the difference is between what kmail and exim say to the mail server |
| 01:57.23 | mdh | OsirisX11: if you look in /boot/grub/menu.lst you'll see the entries at the bottom for each kernel setting various parameters. |
| 01:57.27 | Wimpie | me neither from kmail or mozilla or report-bug but the 'mail' command does not work |
| 01:57.38 | Azar | Osirix, do you use lilo? |
| 01:57.41 | Hiruko | okay |
| 01:57.42 | OsirisX11 | grub |
| 01:57.45 | Wimpie | I have uninstalled exim because of complete and utter uncomprehensable |
| 01:57.45 | caphuso | OsirisX11: ah, then you probably forgot to follow the stuff about instructing your boot loader about the initrd |
| 01:57.51 | Hiruko | i got my wireless network working, but i still have the same high ping problems |
| 01:57.55 | Hiruko | the average was 20,000 |
| 01:57.57 | OsirisX11 | i appreciate all of your guys' help but i'm still not sure what to do |
| 01:58.06 | SerajewelKS | Wimpie, well then whatever mta you use |
| 01:58.07 | OsirisX11 | i have the grub conf up in nano |
| 01:58.18 | Azar | myth say that grub does not need grooming by hand at kernel upgrade |
| 01:58.21 | liable | Hiruko: pinging locally or net? |
| 01:58.22 | NOthsouth | what lib i need install for be able to play rmvb videos???? |
| 01:58.26 | Hiruko | locally |
| 01:58.26 | SerajewelKS | Wimpie, and 'uncomprehensable' isn't a word, while we're being anal about things |
| 01:58.29 | NOthsouth | our what I need |
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| 01:58.58 | Wimpie | sible then ? |
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| 01:59.07 | Azar | SerajewelKS, don't get hard on OsirisX11, he maybe is a new user ... |
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| 01:59.10 | Wimpie | dable ? |
| 01:59.14 | Hiruko | yes |
| 01:59.17 | SerajewelKS | Azar, i'm not talking to OsirisX11 |
| 01:59.17 | mdh | OsirisX11: if its the stock Debian 2.6 kernel, then caphuso is right |
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| 01:59.24 | Azar | oh sorry, I ment Wimpie |
| 01:59.24 | gravity | jerome: Any luck? |
| 01:59.30 | mdh | OsirisX11: you need to tell it about initrd |
| 01:59.39 | SerajewelKS | Azar, and considering that he knows that exim is incomprehensible, he shouldn't be too much of a newbie |
| 01:59.56 | Hiruko | liable: locally |
| 02:00.00 | OsirisX11 | mdb: thanks! how? |
| 02:00.05 | Azar | SerajewelKS you are right I haven't thought of that |
| 02:00.25 | SerajewelKS | still having trouble with autofs: http://channels.debian.net/paste/339 |
| 02:00.29 | liable | Hiruko: happens with wired to eh? |
| 02:00.38 | Hiruko | yes |
| 02:00.43 | terr | Does apt use postgresql for anything? |
| 02:00.44 | Hiruko | so it isn't the drivers |
| 02:00.56 | Hiruko | Don't do that stupid 2.4 thing, but it was working great in 2.4 |
| 02:00.56 | Azar | Wimpie, own mail server ? |
| 02:01.13 | Hiruko | I hate that thing you guys do '! works in 2.4' :p |
| 02:01.15 | mdh | Wimpie: apt-get install postfix |
| 02:01.26 | Wimpie | azar : no I just want to get mail from scripts to my ISP |
| 02:01.36 | OsirisX11 | mdh: thanks! how? |
| 02:01.37 | MobyTurbo | terr: apt-cache show apt |
| 02:01.40 | Azar | mdh if his ISP is not allowing him to have his own mail server, he is stucked |
| 02:01.41 | Wimpie | mdh : will try that ... |
| 02:02.09 | Wimpie | I think that might be the problem. my ISP is VERYYYYY stupid and VERYYYY windows based. |
| 02:02.12 | Hiruko | is the 2.6 kernel known to have problems with networking? |
| 02:02.28 | SerajewelKS | Wimpie, switch your ISP |
| 02:02.37 | Wimpie | second line support did not even know that host routes exist |
| 02:02.52 | Azar | Wimpie, no most ISPs are blocking port 25 , not allowing people to use their own mail servers |
| 02:02.52 | Hiruko | lol |
| 02:03.08 | Wimpie | Well that is not something you do because you cannot get a mail message sent. |
| 02:03.13 | caphuso | Azar: that's not relevant for Wimpie's current problem |
| 02:03.18 | kspath_ | 95% of all people are too clueless to run their own mail servers |
| 02:03.22 | caphuso | he wants to send mails, not receive mails |
| 02:03.24 | pipeline | 95? |
| 02:03.28 | pipeline | 99.995 |
| 02:03.31 | kspath_ | lol |
| 02:03.32 | terr | MobyTurbo: this shows nothing about postgresql - I'm getting some errors with regard to postgresql and I have to admit surprise becuase I did not think it would be used. |
| 02:03.35 | caphuso | pipeline: the other 5% don't use email |
| 02:03.35 | Hiruko | hehe |
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| 02:03.43 | pipeline | hell, 99.995% of mail administrators are too stupid to administer mail servers. |
| 02:03.45 | Azar | caphuso I see... |
| 02:03.45 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, ISPs are blocking outbound 25, too |
| 02:03.53 | Wimpie | Yes, and what I find strange is that if you use Kmail to send messages to SMTP you basically specify the host to relay to |
| 02:03.57 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: to their own smtp server? i don't think so |
| 02:04.06 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, to all but their own |
| 02:04.11 | caphuso | geez, _think_ |
| 02:04.19 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, i can only connect to my ISP's SMTP server over 25.. all others time out |
| 02:04.22 | Wimpie | but the mail command (used by cron e.a.) is apparently far more complex but why ??? |
| 02:04.35 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: did you even read what Wimpie said in the last few minutes? |
| 02:04.35 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, of course the firewall is on the other side of the mail server. duh, _think_ |
| 02:04.37 | mdh | OsirisX11: read the grub doco. I deliberately do not use debian kernels because they have initrd ;) |
| 02:04.39 | Azar | anyhow my major reason to switch to other ISP was that issue: they were blocking me from using a server. The new ISP told me they will not support me with linux issues just connection issues. |
| 02:04.52 | mdh | OsirisX11: and are generally 50 revisions out of date with mainline |
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| 02:05.06 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, yes, i'm rebutting your rebuttal of why Azar wasn't paying attention. of course he doesn't have the idea right, but your idea of why he doesn't have the idea right isn't the right idea either. |
| 02:05.26 | GomoX | What's a good graphical FTP client? |
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| 02:05.37 | pipeline | GomoX: They're all awful. gftp is almost ok. |
| 02:05.37 | Wimpie | gomox : konquerory from KDE ? |
| 02:05.42 | OsirisX11 | i'm willing to do whatever i need to to get to 2.6.. i tried compiling my own from kernel.org but that didnt work so i tried it from apt-get |
| 02:05.45 | Azar | :) ok my bad, I misunderstood the issue |
| 02:05.58 | o-o | isnt there a base tarball around somewhere? |
| 02:05.59 | jim | SerajewelKS: do you rebutt using grub? |
| 02:06.01 | Hiruko | Hmm any clue as to why both network drivers would get such high ping? |
| 02:06.08 | Hiruko | 7k ms is NOT normal |
| 02:06.12 | Hiruko | pinging to anything |
| 02:06.13 | GomoX | argh, i'm using gftp and it will disconect all the time and he segfaulted a minute ago |
| 02:06.18 | SerajewelKS | jim, actually i use lilo |
| 02:06.19 | mdh | GomoX: xterm -e ncftp |
| 02:06.20 | Hiruko | especially the router right next to it |
| 02:06.24 | GomoX | s/he/it |
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| 02:07.14 | jim | Hiruko: could it be the cable? |
| 02:07.18 | Azar | word goes around that with grub you don't need to move a finger when upgrading the kernel |
| 02:07.18 | Hiruko | no |
| 02:07.33 | Hiruko | like i said the 2.4 kernel gets on both wired and wireless networks fine. |
| 02:07.40 | Hiruko | in 2.6 i'm having the same problem with both |
| 02:07.58 | pipeline | GomoX: You're probably going to have to learn to use ncftp or lftp. |
| 02:08.06 | mdh | Azar: *if* you use make-kpkg and *if* you have followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 02:08.06 | jim | 2.6.which? |
| 02:08.12 | pipeline | GomoX: ncftp and lftp are so dominant, there's not really any decent GUI ftp client, I'm afraid. |
| 02:08.21 | Hiruko | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 02:08.33 | Azar | mdh I was thinking about the precompiled 2.6 offered by deb |
| 02:08.39 | GomoX | pipeline: oh, ok |
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| 02:08.43 | jim | so that's the sarge 2.6? |
| 02:08.49 | Hiruko | yes |
| 02:08.52 | GomoX | i was hoping i could avoid learning a new program |
| 02:08.55 | mdh | Azar: and *if* you're not doing something too strange (like switching to a raid / filesystem, using initrd, etc) |
| 02:09.10 | Hiruko | it's a precompiled version |
| 02:09.19 | pipeline | GomoX: ncftp is easier to learn than lftp, but has lots of crippling flaws. And they're both hard to learn. |
| 02:09.25 | Hiruko | if i need to i will compile my own... but i'd rather not |
| 02:09.33 | liable | Hiruko: do you have any iptables rules? |
| 02:09.35 | Azar | mdh I use lilo and I do remember the notification in the middle of upgrade about the initrd entry... but I do not know about grub's issues |
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| 02:09.54 | jim | any reason you need 2.6? |
| 02:09.58 | Hiruko | um as in a static config? |
| 02:10.00 | GomoX | pipeline: so, what are you saying, wine ws_ftp.exe ? |
| 02:10.05 | OsirisX11 | Hiruko/azar i'm having trouble compiling 2.6 too |
| 02:10.06 | mdh | Azar: its basiclaly the same - the bootloader needs to be configured to tell the kernel about initrd |
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| 02:10.08 | Hiruko | jim: not really, just want to have the latest |
| 02:10.09 | OsirisX11 | rather, booting it |
| 02:10.13 | pipeline | GomoX: I don't think 32 bit ws_ftp works in wine. |
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| 02:10.29 | Azar | OsirisX11, sorry I have no idea about grub stuff, I use lilo |
| 02:10.31 | OsirisX11 | yeah, how do i edit the conf to do initrd or w/e |
| 02:10.31 | mdh | Azar: doesn't matter which bootloader you use |
| 02:10.32 | pipeline | GomoX: I just gave up on dealing with it and learned to use ncftp. |
| 02:10.54 | GomoX | pipeline: well, maybe i'll do that too |
| 02:10.55 | knighttemplar | hey can someone help me |
| 02:11.03 | SerajewelKS | OsirisX11, www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?query=grub+initrd |
| 02:11.13 | knighttemplar | i can't play music cd's more likeley i can't hear them |
| 02:11.15 | OsirisX11 | cute. love the support. |
| 02:11.15 | liable | Hiruko: yeah, if its two different cards doing it, the only different think I can think of between the two kernels might be iptables. |
| 02:11.21 | GomoX | command line is great, but it takes time |
| 02:11.27 | Hiruko | hmm |
| 02:11.30 | jim | Hey you! Out there in the cold, getting feeble, getting old, can you help me? |
| 02:11.34 | Azar | OsirisX11, I do not want to confuse you, but personally, I got a message about updating my bootloader after the kernel upgrade was done, so I did updated lilo as instructed. I have no idea how grub looks like |
| 02:11.35 | GomoX | thanks pipeline |
| 02:11.35 | Hiruko | so what do i need to do? |
| 02:11.58 | knighttemplar | anyways help m,e :D |
| 02:12.02 | jim | Hiruko: I'd stick with 2.4 for now :) |
| 02:12.04 | liable | Hiruko: do you have ethereal installed? |
| 02:12.08 | OsirisX11 | Azar: its cool man, i know what msg you're talking about. i use grub so i dont have that msg |
| 02:12.14 | Hiruko | don't think so |
| 02:12.21 | Hiruko | and i can't since i don't have net access obviously |
| 02:12.22 | Azar | it seems that if you guys do not update your bootloader file as instructed after kernel upgrade and BEFORE rebooting you are screwed |
| 02:12.28 | Wimpie | anyone speaks SMTP ? |
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| 02:12.38 | jim | HELO |
| 02:12.38 | pipeline | knighttemplar: It's probably something buried in your volume controls. CDs are usually played via analogue channels, not controlled by the computer at all, going straight from the CD drive to the sound card. |
| 02:12.41 | OsirisX11 | Azar: why are we screwed/ |
| 02:12.44 | liable | Hiruko: get it, and run it, may give some sort of clue maybe. |
| 02:12.46 | OsirisX11 | i can just boot to 2.4 again |
| 02:12.49 | Wimpie | It seems that 'mail' sends HELO 'localhost.localdomain' |
| 02:12.51 | jim | that's all the smtp I know! |
| 02:12.52 | terr | None of my print jobs show up in CUPS. Any ideas? I cannot print a test page - it also doesn't show up. |
| 02:12.57 | SerajewelKS | OsirisX11, if you go to the site i gave you, you'd have your answer |
| 02:13.03 | Azar | OsirisX11, sorry, maybe your grub does not need that initrd update |
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| 02:13.06 | Wimpie | but kmail sends EHLO hostname |
| 02:13.11 | abrotman | !smtp tets |
| 02:13.11 | jerome | gravity: I tried with SwappedHead, doesn't work either :/ Gotta sleep now. |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
| 02:13.23 | OsirisX11 | you mean the by-proxy link to google? that 'site'? right. |
| 02:13.37 | SerajewelKS | OsirisX11, or you could just go to google |
| 02:13.47 | mdh | !fgi OsirisX11 grub+initrd |
| 02:13.48 | dpkg | OsirisX11: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=grub+initrd |
| 02:13.50 | gravity | jerome: Ok, sorry. |
| 02:14.18 | OsirisX11 | fair enough, i'll google |
| 02:14.21 | mdh | Azar: grub does need an initrd config |
| 02:14.25 | knighttemplar | ! |
| 02:14.36 | Azar | mdh that sounds as great as it can be |
| 02:14.41 | OsirisX11 | mdh; really? |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | OsirisX11: or ask #grub ? |
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| 02:14.52 | Hiruko | hmm |
| 02:14.56 | OsirisX11 | nice. i'll do that. |
| 02:15.01 | Hiruko | when i compiled mine i used the --initrd option |
| 02:15.03 | mdh | !permasunday |
| 02:15.03 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 02:15.12 | knighttemplar | pipeline : how can i fix this ? |
| 02:15.18 | Hiruko | then when i used dkpg -i to install my kernel the initrd was put into grub automatically |
| 02:15.25 | Hiruko | that was with the 2.4 kernel i compiled though |
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| 02:15.45 | pipeline | knighttemplar: Look at your volume controls more carefully. |
| 02:16.24 | morph_ | does anyone here know how to change the morphix live cd? |
| 02:16.40 | caphuso | morph_: off topic |
| 02:16.51 | knighttemplar | pipeline: i did , nothing seems out of order? |
| 02:17.00 | morph_ | i know but no one home a #morphix |
| 02:17.01 | SerajewelKS | morph_, you could hit it with a hammer a few times |
| 02:17.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 02:17.09 | morph_ | :) |
| 02:17.09 | Azar | Hiruko, I guess 2.4 is different than 2.6, which I guess makes sense |
| 02:17.10 | pipeline | knighttemplar: never-the-less, something is out of order. |
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| 02:17.15 | Hiruko | yeah |
| 02:17.17 | pipeline | morph_: I suggest you install Debian. |
| 02:17.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 02:17.23 | knighttemplar | pipeline: i know , i can't find it ? |
| 02:17.24 | Hiruko | hmm there's gotta be a way to fix this |
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| 02:17.49 | knighttemplar | pipeline : hmmm , is there anycommand to configure volume |
| 02:17.51 | Azar | Hiruko, when I upgraded from woody to sarge I did read the release notes and there are some guidances there on upgrading kernels under Sarge |
| 02:18.01 | Hiruko | i didn't upgrade |
| 02:18.02 | SerajewelKS | knighttemplar, try kmix |
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| 02:18.06 | pipeline | knighttemplar: alsamixer |
| 02:18.10 | Hiruko | i used synaptics to install the 2.6.8-2 kernel image |
| 02:18.11 | Azar | Hiruko, you still on woody? |
| 02:18.19 | Hiruko | ack woody = 2.6? |
| 02:18.35 | SerajewelKS | woody = 2.4 |
| 02:18.35 | Azar | Hiruko, I do not know, I was asking you |
| 02:18.38 | Hiruko | ah okay |
| 02:18.40 | Hiruko | I'm on 2.6 |
| 02:18.46 | GomoX | caphuso: he wasn't *that* annoying :/ |
| 02:18.50 | Azar | Hiruko, you are using Sarge or woody? |
| 02:18.58 | caphuso | GomoX: he was deliberately off topic |
| 02:19.01 | Wimpie | coud it be that the 'FROM' field with generated from my local linux user name (which is not a valid Email name) is considered to be spam ? |
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| 02:19.01 | Hiruko | now sarge |
| 02:19.02 | SerajewelKS | if you're installing a 2.6 image on woody... you deserve whatever trouble you got |
| 02:19.07 | Hiruko | i didn't |
| 02:19.10 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 02:19.12 | Hiruko | i installed it seperately |
| 02:19.14 | quittt | where can I get a emule clone for Debian testing? |
| 02:19.25 | Wimpie | quitt : mldonkey |
| 02:19.28 | gravity | quittt: apt-cache search emule |
| 02:19.28 | Azar | Hiruko, now sarge fresh install or upgrade >>> from woody >>> to sarge? |
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| 02:19.40 | Hiruko | just installing the kernel image |
| 02:19.47 | quittt | gravity, there isnt |
| 02:19.52 | Hiruko | i had just 2.4 |
| 02:19.56 | knighttemplar | pipeline : i moved everything but no sound to play cd |
| 02:20.03 | Hiruko | then i used apt-get to install 2.6 |
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| 02:20.08 | Hiruko | so i have both right now |
| 02:20.13 | mdh | I reckon next april 1 we all head into #knoppix, #morphix, #ubuntu, et al and ask annoying questions ;) |
| 02:20.16 | michal_ | how come postconf doesn't display the same results as what's in /etc/postfix/main.cf after a postfix reload? |
| 02:20.28 | Azar | Hiruko, I have upgraded my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6.8 easily with no problems in Sarge |
| 02:20.36 | SerajewelKS | can anyone help me configure autofs? (or rather debug a config that's not working) |
| 02:20.37 | Hiruko | I didn't really upgrade it |
| 02:20.42 | nvz | mdh: why wait |
| 02:20.59 | Azar | Hiruko, if you did not upgraded the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 then what did you do? |
| 02:21.03 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: what isn't working? |
| 02:21.13 | jim | mdh: and on March 31, we go in there and ask to ask annoying questions :) |
| 02:21.16 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, it's not mounting stuff |
| 02:21.21 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, http://channels.debian.net/paste/339 |
| 02:21.22 | knighttemplar | serajewlk: kmix doesnt work |
| 02:21.27 | michal_ | is postfix broken in sarge in some wayÄ… |
| 02:21.33 | Hiruko | my definition of upgrade is just turning 2.4 into 2.6, and only having 2.6 after |
| 02:21.33 | mdh | nvz: because we're not tards |
| 02:21.34 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, when i do "ls -l /mnt/usb" it shows nothing |
| 02:22.03 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: can you mount the stick manually? |
| 02:22.09 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, yes |
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| 02:22.23 | Azar | Hiruko ok you installed 2.6 kernel can you mention what kind of kernel-source you installed? |
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| 02:22.40 | Hiruko | I did |
| 02:22.50 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: and syslog doesn't report anything interesting? |
| 02:22.50 | Azar | :) O I know you did |
| 02:22.53 | Hiruko | apt-get install kernel-image-2.8.2-2-386 |
| 02:22.57 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, no |
| 02:23.01 | Hiruko | accidently pressed enter |
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| 02:23.14 | Azar | Hiruko, ok, so what is that is not working now? |
| 02:23.24 | Hiruko | i can boot into it yes |
| 02:23.29 | Hiruko | but networking is messed up |
| 02:23.34 | Azar | ok |
| 02:23.37 | nvz | where the hell did time go. |
| 02:23.37 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, aside from logs from iptables, that is |
| 02:23.48 | Azar | Hiruko the connection settings are in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:23.50 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, and the standard stuff when the kernel detects a new device |
| 02:23.55 | Hiruko | i know |
| 02:23.57 | Hiruko | they are fine |
| 02:24.05 | nvz | I cant believe I've been reading laws for hours |
| 02:24.13 | mdh | Azar: Hiruko is getting extraordinarily high latency |
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| 02:24.28 | Hiruko | and amazing packet loss |
| 02:24.33 | Azar | mdh would that be because he might ride with unknown remote users? |
| 02:24.35 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: err, wait |
| 02:24.36 | Hiruko | 84% |
| 02:24.52 | Hiruko | that was pinging to google when the network wask working |
| 02:24.53 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: what does "cd /mnt/usb/thumbstick; ls" do? |
| 02:24.55 | Hiruko | was& |
| 02:24.57 | Hiruko | was* |
| 02:24.59 | nvz | oh well.. might as well get some sleep while the sleeping is good piss around more in the morning |
| 02:25.01 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: what does "cd /mnt/usb/thumbdrive; ls" do? |
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| 02:25.36 | knighttemplar | help me fix the volume :) |
| 02:25.42 | Azar | Hiruko, just out of curiosity can you check what processes are getting connections? |
| 02:25.54 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, bash: cd: thumbdrive: No such file or directory |
| 02:25.57 | Hiruko | um how, |
| 02:26.43 | Azar | Hiruko, just out of curiosity netstat -pant ? |
| 02:26.48 | Hiruko | ok |
| 02:27.08 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, it does pause a bit before spitting that out |
| 02:27.10 | Hiruko | is there something i'm looking for? |
| 02:27.22 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, and the little activity light on my drive blinks |
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| 02:27.37 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, Jul 12 21:27:16 pyromaniacs kernel: FAT: Unrecognized mount option "gid=chris" or missing value |
| 02:27.40 | SerajewelKS | that might be it =) |
| 02:27.45 | caphuso | indeed |
| 02:27.53 | nvz | Azar: whats that for, to show naked connections? |
| 02:28.00 | SerajewelKS | i still have that redhat-user part of me that thinks that there's a group for each user |
| 02:28.22 | Azar | nvz, just to see if there are processes having network activity |
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| 02:28.33 | Hiruko | azar |
| 02:28.36 | Hiruko | just out of curiousity |
| 02:28.44 | jim | SerajewelKS: then you'll be comfortable in debian |
| 02:28.48 | Hiruko | the latest fedora 4 uses the 2.6 kernel correct? |
| 02:28.57 | SerajewelKS | jim, but there isn't a group for each user |
| 02:29.06 | Azar | Hiruko I never used fedora |
| 02:29.13 | Hiruko | hmm |
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| 02:29.23 | Hiruko | because both networks worked in there two |
| 02:29.26 | Hiruko | hm |
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| 02:29.35 | steve___ | whats the best ftp server? |
| 02:29.51 | jim | sure there is... each such group is named the same as the username |
| 02:29.52 | caphuso | one that is running ;-) |
| 02:29.55 | Azar | Hiruko if your connection is jammed you might want to inspect both sides, inside activity >> out or the other way |
| 02:30.01 | mdh | steve___: best for what? |
| 02:30.08 | withdraw | anyone know how to fix this?http://pastebin.com/312287 |
| 02:30.09 | caphuso | jim: depends on your adduser config |
| 02:30.13 | withdraw | http://pastebin.com/312287 |
| 02:30.17 | steve___ | i heard wu-ftpd is terrible |
| 02:30.23 | SerajewelKS | oh pooh |
| 02:30.36 | jim | ok, so by default (but isnt that the case on both?) |
| 02:30.41 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, automount wouldn't restart, so i killed off the running instance, and now /mnt/usb won't unmount |
| 02:30.49 | mdh | Hiruko: have you stopped it loading both 8139 drivers on boot? driver conflicts won't help you any |
| 02:30.55 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: you're still cd'ed into it? |
| 02:31.15 | Hiruko | yes |
| 02:31.17 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, uh... |
| 02:31.23 | Hiruko | ah shit |
| 02:31.24 | mdh | !poll |
| 02:31.24 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 02:31.34 | Hiruko | actually nobody would tell me how to make only one of em boot |
| 02:31.43 | Hiruko | but that wouldn't explain the wireless not working |
| 02:31.51 | Hiruko | because i know for a fact that should too |
| 02:31.53 | withdraw | any ideas |
| 02:31.54 | withdraw | debian/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 02:32.12 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, Jul 12 21:31:46 pyromaniacs automount[331]: >> mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 02:32.16 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
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| 02:32.24 | SerajewelKS | when i mount it manually, mount detects the type |
| 02:32.25 | Hiruko | i had a temporary connection with wireless a couple of minutes ago |
| 02:32.27 | mdh | Hiruko: you can always boot back into 2.4 where it all works for you... |
| 02:32.28 | Azar | Hiruko wireless? oh oh |
| 02:32.35 | Hiruko | evack |
| 02:32.37 | Hiruko | arg |
| 02:32.38 | Hiruko | that works |
| 02:32.39 | TTimo | so how much is broken right now :) |
| 02:32.46 | Azar | mdh can he use modconf to see if he can restore for wireless ? |
| 02:32.48 | Hiruko | the same as the wired does right now |
| 02:32.51 | mdh | TTimo: everything |
| 02:33.00 | Hiruko | oO |
| 02:33.10 | TTimo | mh bad. should probably wait a few days before upgrade :) |
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| 02:33.33 | mdh | TTimo: if you're using unstable, yes. gcc 4.0 transition plus xorg transition |
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| 02:33.40 | Hiruko | i had a wireless connection up for a few minutes but high latency disconnected it i'm guessing, but i could ping google while on my wireless connection, so it works... |
| 02:33.43 | Hiruko | i'm so confused |
| 02:34.25 | Azar | Hiruko I am not aware how a new 2.6.8 kernel treats wireless connection differently from a 2.4.x |
| 02:34.43 | Hiruko | as i said they both should work |
| 02:34.53 | Azar | Hiruko but some release notes of the 2.6.x kernel might exist specific to that issue |
| 02:34.56 | Hiruko | and they both have the same exact problems |
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| 02:35.27 | Hiruko | this is an odd issue, but something is preventing both from working |
| 02:35.34 | Azar | Hiruko, sorry I was never a fan of the wireless thingies, so I would not know what to say |
| 02:35.40 | mdh | Hiruko: everything "should work" provided you've installed all the pre-requisits for a 2.6 kernel (eg, module-init-tools, etc) |
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| 02:35.48 | Hiruko | pretend i didn't say that |
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| 02:35.54 | Hiruko | azar |
| 02:35.56 | SerajewelKS | diagnose this one... Jul 12 21:35:24 pyromaniacs automount[1373]: >> mount: Not a directory |
| 02:35.57 | Sage2 | hey all :) |
| 02:36.00 | Sage2 | im back ^^ |
| 02:36.11 | Sage2 | im using gnoppix (i think) some live cd :P |
| 02:36.12 | Azar | yes Hiruko sir |
| 02:36.15 | Hiruko | :p |
| 02:36.16 | Hiruko | ^_^ |
| 02:36.18 | mdh | SerajewelKS: your mount point is not a directory |
| 02:36.20 | Incubus- | !Ping Incubus- |
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| 02:36.25 | Hiruko | mdh there are prereqs for a wired network? |
| 02:36.30 | Hiruko | i thought that was a standard |
| 02:36.31 | SerajewelKS | mdh, duh, but automount is supposed to create the mountpoint |
| 02:36.32 | Sage2 | anyway im off :) |
| 02:36.39 | mdh | Hiruko: there are pre-requisites for running a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:36.39 | Hiruko | i have everything that allowed it to work n 2.4 |
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| 02:36.55 | Hiruko | i can boot into 2.4 and install those |
| 02:36.57 | mdh | SerajewelKS: but not its parent. |
| 02:36.58 | Hiruko | if need be |
| 02:37.12 | SerajewelKS | mdh, the parent is created by automount too, and it's working |
| 02:37.13 | mdh | SerajewelKS: eg, if you mount something to /net/hostname then /net needs to exist |
| 02:37.20 | Hiruko | something like a wired network, i thought, would be something standard in a precompiled kernel |
| 02:37.34 | SerajewelKS | mdh, /mnt/usb was created by automount when it started, and it's supposed to be mounting something on /mnt/usb/thumbdrive |
| 02:37.39 | Azar | Hiruko you do not need to change the kernel to install modules : modconf offers them, you just need to pick them |
| 02:37.53 | SerajewelKS | mdh, http://channels.debian.net/paste/339 |
| 02:38.07 | Hiruko | well obviously i can't do something that requires a download |
| 02:38.10 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: nope, nothing at all |
| 02:38.14 | nvz | O_O wtf |
| 02:38.16 | OldakQuill | Is it true that I can get the money back on the Windows which came with this computer which I have never used |
| 02:38.26 | mdh | Hiruko: if you have not installed the pre-requisites for a 2.6 kernel, don't expect a 2.6 kernel to work |
| 02:38.27 | Azar | HIruko "modconf" does not require a connection |
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| 02:38.32 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, nice turnaround time =) |
| 02:38.34 | Hiruko | okay |
| 02:38.37 | mo1991 | I am trying to get sound to work on an old winbook xl 400 mhz - the soundcard is supposed to use the driver opl3sa2 - this is an isa soundcard. No matter what I do - try to us oss or alsa I can't seem to get this card to work. One thing I did notice while booting the hotplug section says opl3sa2 blacklisted? Does anyone know how to fix this or what it means - after some research it looks to have something to do with irq |
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| 02:38.40 | mdh | Hiruko: whether 2.4 kernels work is irrelevent |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | nvz: i should go visit you in brasil! |
| 02:38.42 | Hiruko | is modconf a file or program |
| 02:38.47 | SerajewelKS | Hiruko, a program |
| 02:38.51 | SDFH_Linux | is it safe to switch to xorg? |
| 02:38.56 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 02:39.02 | Azar | Hiruko just type at command line: modconf (as root) |
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| 02:39.08 | mdh | Azar: if Hiruko has not installed module-init-tools for example, then modules won't work |
| 02:39.09 | SerajewelKS | SDFH_Linux, not unless you're definition of "safe" contradicts the dictionary's |
| 02:39.09 | Hiruko | command not found |
| 02:39.22 | SDFH_Linux | so i guess we have to wait then |
| 02:39.22 | SerajewelKS | SDFH_Linux, s/you're/your/ |
| 02:39.23 | Azar | oh mdh is right then |
| 02:39.29 | SDFH_Linux | heheh |
| 02:39.33 | abrotman | nvz: did you start work today ? |
| 02:39.44 | zoid | how can i block an ip from accessing my apache server in my httpd.com? |
| 02:39.46 | nvz | abrotman: yep |
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| 02:40.00 | Azar | Hiruko, look for an online manual about upgrading the kernel to 2.6.x then proceed to try again |
| 02:40.04 | mo1991 | opl3sa2 blacklisted? |
| 02:40.10 | SerajewelKS | zoid, use iptables for connection-level blocking, or .htaccess files for server-level blocking |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | nvz: any fun ? |
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| 02:40.30 | mo1991 | Can anyone help? this is my soundcard |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | nvz: are you gonna be unpoor now ? |
| 02:40.34 | mdh | Azar: I think the best thing is simply to boot back itno 2.4 where it all worked |
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| 02:40.58 | SerajewelKS | mdh, is my automount config correct? |
| 02:41.11 | GoatRoby | I want to install X for debian, I found this like: http://linux.simple.be/debian/install#X is that a good one or is some better site recommended? |
| 02:41.27 | stew | GoatRoby: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:41.27 | SerajewelKS | GoatRoby, that depends on what X you want |
| 02:41.28 | steve___ | hey do i give rwx privlidges for a user for /foo/bar |
| 02:41.43 | nvz | I don't know what the fuck I have going on here.. I had a screen 0:irssi, 1:aumix, 2:cplay.. I was at work today and I thought the power had gone out, so when I came home I started screen irssi.. found out the power must have only went out for a split second here.. and my pc stayed on.. well now after closing the 2nd screen session (I thought?) I tried to screen -r the other and I got 1:bash, 2:bash, 3:irssi and ps still shows aumix and cplay ru |
| 02:41.44 | v[]L7r[]n | Does debian have a package manager ? |
| 02:41.46 | GoatRoby | I would like X.org over Xfree86 i think, let me try dpkg |
| 02:41.49 | nvz | I cannot find them |
| 02:41.50 | michal_ | is thee any channel that might have people who know about the voodoo that is saslauthd ? |
| 02:41.51 | SerajewelKS | steve___, chown user /foo/bar; chmod u+rwx /foo/bar |
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| 02:41.56 | nvz | abrotman: doubt it |
| 02:42.07 | SerajewelKS | GoatRoby, X.org is broken right now |
| 02:42.09 | nvz | abrotman: its a possibility.. we'll see next friday |
| 02:42.15 | GoatRoby | SerajewelKS: ?!? |
| 02:42.23 | SerajewelKS | !topicsmite GoatRoby |
| 02:42.23 | mdh | SerajewelKS: xorg isn't broken, but lots of dependencies are ;) |
| 02:42.24 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon GoatRoby. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:42.25 | stew | GoatRoby: x.org in debian isn't ready for the general public yet, it has only been in debian for a few hours |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | nvz: you could sell your body |
| 02:42.44 | mo1991 | can anyon help with this??? I am trying to get sound to work on an old winbook xl 400 mhz - the soundcard is supposed to use the driver opl3sa2 - this is an isa soundcard. No matter what I do - try to us oss or alsa I can't seem to get this card to work. One thing I did notice while booting the hotplug section says opl3sa2 blacklisted? Does anyone know how to fix this or what it means - after some research it looks to hav |
| 02:42.44 | mo1991 | e something to do with irq |
| 02:42.59 | GoatRoby | stew: seriously? holy :) |
| 02:43.06 | stew | GoatRoby: seriously |
| 02:43.11 | mdh | michal_: try a channel for the program you are trying to use it for, eg #postfix or whatever |
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| 02:43.14 | fas3r | hi alll |
| 02:43.23 | v[]L7r[]n | ----------- Does debian have a package manager ?---------------- |
| 02:43.30 | SerajewelKS | v[]L7r[]n, yes |
| 02:43.35 | v[]L7r[]n | ooh |
| 02:43.37 | bob2 | v[]L7r[]n: a) fix your bloody irc client, b) yes |
| 02:43.39 | VoX | v[]L7r[]n: apt |
| 02:43.42 | mdh | v[]L7r[]n: is the Pope Catholic? |
| 02:43.49 | fas3r | do u know if they are a command for stop the internal's buzzer |
| 02:44.02 | mdh | !nickometer v[]L7r[]n |
| 02:44.02 | dpkg | 'v[]L7r[]n' is 88.000% lame, mdh |
| 02:44.08 | stew | what? |
| 02:44.11 | stew | fas3r: /msg dpkg bell |
| 02:44.11 | bob2 | mo1991: hotplug blacklisting only means it's not autoloaded, you can still load it later |
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| 02:44.22 | nvz | abrotman: I was only suppose to be working parttime for now while they got up and running. 3-5 hours.. I was there all fuckin day today pretty much. I wouldnt care except I was sweating my ass off all day and hadnt eaten since early in the morning thinking I wouldnt be there all day.. I come to find out this evening that employers arent obligated to give you time to eat or anything.. that seems to only apply to people under 18... wtf?! I gotta e |
| 02:44.26 | bob2 | mo1991: but isa is harder, since, afaik, you have to specify the ioport, irq, etc manually |
| 02:44.27 | SerajewelKS | fas3r, you mean a command to disable the internal PC speaker? |
| 02:44.40 | v[]L7r[]n | your wrong 97% lame |
| 02:44.42 | Hiruky | ah sorry internet disconnected |
| 02:44.52 | Hiruky | mdh: i'll install module-init-utils |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | nvz: heh .. no lunches at all ? |
| 02:45.19 | michal_ | mdh: postfix users have NO idea.. in fact even google has no idea. i'm trying #cyrus in the vain hope that maybe someone there will have some sort of idea what the problem could be :/ |
| 02:45.33 | mdh | v[]L7r[]n: Debian has the best package management system, with tools like 'dpkg' (similar to rpm) and 'apt' (no comparison in any other distro) |
| 02:45.53 | stew | mdh: apt is closer to yum than dpkg is to rpm |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | mdh: urpmi apt4rpm |
| 02:46.01 | nvz | abrotman: nope. I come to find out surfing the Fedral and State websites they don't have to give you a break or time to eat or anything.. only seems to apply to people under 18 |
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| 02:46.11 | abrotman | nvz: you will die! |
| 02:46.12 | mdh | Hiruky: you may have other prerequisits also... debian has everything packaged, you just need to go through the list in the 2.6 kernel README and make sure you have them installed |
| 02:46.12 | Hiruky | ah sorry internet disconnected |
| 02:46.14 | Hiruky | again |
| 02:46.16 | Hiruky | -_- |
| 02:46.24 | v[]L7r[]n | I guess I can't say sold |
| 02:46.26 | steve___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.31 | Hiruky | there is a directory with all the readme files right? |
| 02:46.32 | steve___ | that doesnt work! |
| 02:46.39 | v[]L7r[]n | I |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | !tell v[]L7r[]n about why debian |
| 02:46.46 | stew | Hiruky: /usr/share/doc/pkgname |
| 02:46.48 | mwilson | nvz: I don't mean to argue with you, but in CA if we weren't giving people breaks, we'd get sued, under 18 or not. |
| 02:46.49 | Azar | Hiruko, just in case, if you like and have time read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-upgrade-to-2.6 |
| 02:46.49 | mdh | michal_: what problem do you have? |
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| 02:46.53 | nvz | abrotman: its hot as fuck in there, and when you are actually lifting things.. its pretty hard work.. I can't believe they don't expect you to need food |
| 02:47.00 | Hiruky | ah |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | nvz: there's a break room right ? |
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| 02:47.11 | Hiruky | 2.4 is good enough for my needs i think... i'm gonna go with it |
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| 02:47.23 | nvz | mwilson: well PA laws seem to say they dont have to, and I couldnt find a federal law saying otherwise |
| 02:47.27 | deadcat | streuner1: got any screenshots lately? |
| 02:47.28 | Hiruky | it's too much trouble right now for me, as a linux 'newb' to get sarge working |
| 02:47.38 | deadcat | whos in charge of transset and xcompmgr? |
| 02:47.42 | v[]L7r[]n | I'll try it out, I have FC4 installed and I'm getting all kinds of problems that I didn't have with mandrive 10.2 |
| 02:47.42 | stew | nvz: PA laws require a 15 minute break every 4 hours |
| 02:47.50 | SerajewelKS | automount still not working... |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | nvz: i think stew is right |
| 02:48.09 | SerajewelKS | it's complaining that the mountpoint doesn't exist, when it's automount's responsibility to make the mountpoint |
| 02:48.10 | nvz | abrotman: yeah.. thats the other thing.. they dont have them labor law posters anywhere.. they are required by state and federal laws punishble by fines, and in some cases jail time for not doing it. |
| 02:48.15 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.18 | mdh | SerajewelKS: you might have some race between your automaounted parent directory being created and the children needing to be created |
| 02:48.22 | Hiruky | when i install debian from the network install cd, does the installer do any patching to a kernel source? |
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| 02:48.29 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. they're supposed to be posted .. though . they aren't in my office either |
| 02:48.38 | SerajewelKS | mdh, the parent directory exists for the lifetime of automount |
| 02:48.46 | initech | SerajewelKS: what's the matter? (missed it) |
| 02:48.49 | mdh | michal_: what's rimap? can't find anything in apt-cache search |
| 02:48.51 | v[]L7r[]n | holly flood |
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| 02:49.05 | nvz | abrotman: the state website says each day they fail to comply is a separate offence. |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | nvz: yep . it is |
| 02:49.25 | mdh | SerajewelKS: sure, but you said it too is created by automount. therefore as I said, you may have some race between its creation and the creation of the children |
| 02:49.32 | nvz | abrotman: just the minimum wage poster is $100-$500, others could face jail time it said |
| 02:49.39 | SerajewelKS | initech, automount is successfully creating /mnt/usb and mounting it as an automount-controlled fs, but when i try to cd to /mnt/usb/thumbdrive it complains that the mountpoint does not exist, when it's automount's job to make /mnt/usb/thumbdrive before mounting it |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | nvz: like the OSHA poster and crap |
| 02:49.42 | michal_ | mdh: it's a mechanism saslauthdb uses.. remote imap.. it authenticates via an imap servier specified |
| 02:49.58 | mwilson | nvz: You'll find that usually the poster has to be in "a conspicuous location", but doesn't specify what that location is. |
| 02:50.01 | nvz | stew: the PA DOL website specifically says they do not |
| 02:50.08 | mdh | michal_: oh, okay. which MTA are you using? |
| 02:50.11 | SerajewelKS | mdh, /mnt/usb is created when automount starts. /mnt/usb/thumbdrive is created when i cd into it |
| 02:50.25 | mwilson | nvz: Like our physical plant is over 200 acres, but we don't have to have one in each and every building. |
| 02:50.28 | mdh | SerajewelKS: all automount directories are created on first use |
| 02:50.31 | stew | nvz: hrm, i'm working on memory thats years old, i might be remembering wrong or htings might have changed, sorry |
| 02:50.37 | nvz | mwilson: conspicuous in the dictionary means a location that you would not only see, but one that you would plainly see and would come to mind |
| 02:50.46 | SerajewelKS | mdh, exactly, except for /mnt/usb |
| 02:50.53 | nvz | !dict conspicuous |
| 02:50.55 | dpkg | Dictionary 'conspicuous' (3 of 5): It was a rock Of alabaster, piled up to the clouds, Conspicious far. --Milton. ;; Conspicious by her veil and hood, Signing the cross, the abbess stood. --Sir W. Scott. ;; 2. Obvious to the mental eye; easily recognized; clearly defined; notable; prominent; eminent; distinguished; as, a conspicuous excellence, or fault.. |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | stew: too much beer .. brain dead! |
| 02:51.00 | SerajewelKS | mdh, /mnt/usb is created by automount, and mounted as an automount filesystem |
| 02:51.00 | mdh | SerajewelKS: I seem to recall that you can't use an automount mount point as the parent dir.. check the doco |
| 02:51.03 | Hiruky | when i install debian from the network install cd, does the installer do any patching to a kernel source? |
| 02:51.06 | nvz | dict is still broke I guess |
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| 02:51.13 | michal_ | mdh: postfix.. it was worrking fine via sasl auth previously.. all i changed was the sasl auth mechanism.. if i test saslauth using a command line utility.. it succeeds.. but via postfix it does not.. it does something odd |
| 02:51.23 | initech | SerajewelKS: it's not going to create anything more than one level underneat where the map is |
| 02:51.35 | cheal | Hiruky: patch for what? |
| 02:51.41 | SerajewelKS | initech, mdh, http://channels.debian.net/paste/339 |
| 02:51.44 | Hiruky | erm better question |
| 02:51.46 | rob_lt | Hiruky, there is no kernel source during the install process |
| 02:51.46 | stew | Hiruky: it installs the standard debian kernel which is built from patched kernel source |
| 02:51.48 | withdraw | debian/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 02:51.50 | mdh | michal_: postfix' smtpd runs chrooted by default... does it know where teh sasl mux is? |
| 02:51.51 | Hiruky | okay thought so |
| 02:51.52 | withdraw | anyone have a solution |
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| 02:52.24 | mdh | michal_: eg, in /etc/default/saslauthd I have PARAMS="-O /etc/saslauthd.conf -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" |
| 02:52.27 | Hiruky | stew so if i use the kernel-source to build my kernel |
| 02:52.28 | michal_ | mdh: yes.. i had that fixed.. I need to to have it worked under the previous saslauthd mechanism |
| 02:52.35 | Hiruky | and use my current kernel config |
| 02:52.40 | Hiruky | i may need to do some patching? |
| 02:52.43 | sdfgdsfg | xorg packages are in unstable now? |
| 02:52.52 | michal_ | mdh: no i took a different approach.. sec |
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| 02:52.58 | stew | Hiruky: not if you get the kernel-source package via apt-get |
| 02:52.58 | initech | SerajewelKS: does /mnt/usb exist if autofs is not running? |
| 02:53.03 | Hiruky | hmm |
| 02:53.19 | stew | Hiruky: actually probably not in any case depending on which kernel you are building |
| 02:53.20 | SerajewelKS | initech, yes |
| 02:53.24 | Hiruky | because when i rebuilt my 2.4 kernel using my current kernel's config, network support was bad too |
| 02:53.27 | mwilson | sdfgdsfg: You don't look for yourself because...? |
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| 02:53.29 | Hiruky | it was 2.4.27 |
| 02:53.33 | stew | Hiruky: why are you building your own kernels? |
| 02:53.35 | gravity | sdfgdsfg: /topic |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | i'm such a pansie :) |
| 02:53.41 | sdfgdsfg | mwilson because I'm not on debian atm ;] |
| 02:53.43 | Hiruky | stew: i was doing it with help from a freind |
| 02:53.47 | Hiruky | please don't ask me that |
| 02:53.47 | michal_ | mdh: in /etc/init.d/saslauthd I put PARAMS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" |
| 02:53.55 | Hiruky | stupid question |
| 02:53.55 | michal_ | mdh: and PIDFILE="/var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/saslauthd.pid" |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | sdfgdsfg: there's a website also .. packages.debian.org |
| 02:54.03 | mwilson | sdfgdsfg: And that has what to do with it? |
| 02:54.04 | Hiruky | don't mean to be rude though |
| 02:54.05 | initech | SerajewelKS: anything in your logs? |
| 02:54.19 | mwilson | gravity: So... how many people have whined at you so far? |
| 02:54.20 | SerajewelKS | initech, yes |
| 02:54.26 | Hiruky | anyway |
| 02:54.29 | SerajewelKS | Jul 12 21:35:13 pyromaniacs automount[1359]: >> mount: Not a directory |
| 02:54.29 | SerajewelKS | Jul 12 21:35:13 pyromaniacs automount[1359]: failed to mount /mnt/usb/thumbdrive |
| 02:54.32 | gravity | mwilson: A lot |
| 02:54.32 | michal_ | mdh: under the default dir I have MECHANISMS="rimap -O 192.168.100.71 -r" |
| 02:54.47 | michal_ | mdh: which used to be pam previously when it worked with postfix |
| 02:54.55 | nvz | I was only there like 8 hours, but sweating profusely the whole time.. and didnt eat since like 7am.. expecting to be home anywhere between 3 and 5pm.. they expected me to stay there longer than I did.. which was until about 7:30.. I told them they had better send me my benefits package and hire me full time then.. the other shitty thing is the laws say that PA is an "at will" state.. they can fire you for any reason.. seems you can be forced to |
| 02:54.55 | mwilson | gravity: Wow... and it hit the archive only a few hours ago? |
| 02:55.20 | mwilson | nvz: They're not required to feed you, no. Allow you time to eat, yes. |
| 02:55.22 | stew | Hiruky: i'll just put you on ignore so i won't be tempted to help you with my "stupid questions" |
| 02:55.26 | nvz | I only remember the laws when I lived here as a minor and was working |
| 02:55.27 | Hiruky | huh? |
| 02:55.27 | mdh | michal_: oh... mechanisms jsut has to be the list... ldap, pam, rimap, whatever |
| 02:55.30 | Hiruky | ugh |
| 02:55.34 | Hiruky | fine i'll ask someone else |
| 02:55.39 | mdh | michal_: you're trying to put other options there which I don't think are supported |
| 02:55.43 | michal_ | mdh: testsaslauthd -f /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux -s smtp -r appl.com.au -u michal -p password |
| 02:55.46 | GoatRoby | stew: I used the instructions from dkpg to setup X but for some reason many of the recommended packages did not install, how do I get them to install? i need them right? |
| 02:55.46 | Hiruky | oh i took it wrong? |
| 02:55.47 | nvz | mwilson: the state laws specifically say they are not required to give you breaks or meal time |
| 02:55.51 | michal_ | mdh: returns 0: OK "Success." |
| 02:55.52 | nvz | mwilson: unless you are under 18 |
| 02:56.03 | Hiruky | usually when someone asks me that it means; Why the fuck are you building a kernel, you don't know how |
| 02:56.24 | nvz | mwilson: I spent the past two hours on the PA DOL site and Federal WHD site |
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| 02:56.25 | SerajewelKS | initech, i gotta run |
| 02:56.27 | michal_ | mdh: and if I look at the log on the imap server it looks the same when I use testsaslauthd and when postfix dos it |
| 02:56.50 | michal_ | mdh: however it fails when postfix does it in the local log with something that's a bit biggger than I'd like to paste here.. about 3 lines |
| 02:56.58 | stew | GoatRoby: recommended packages are generally not needed, there uhh, recommended :). what packages specifically are you wondering about? |
| 02:57.03 | mdh | nvz: move to another state which doesn't exploit you |
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| 02:57.13 | fhffhqvb | !exploit nvz |
| 02:57.14 | Hiruky | so stew: i'm ignored now huh |
| 02:57.18 | Hiruky | meh |
| 02:57.25 | nvz | mdh: I've been all over the place.. abrotman still wont shut up about it.. heh |
| 02:57.33 | michal_ | mdh: I get the impression that this log entry gives a hint as to the problem |
| 02:57.38 | nvz | mdh: I've moved back home.. planned on staying awhile |
| 02:57.45 | michal_ | mdh: ie postfix calling sasl in some weird manner |
| 02:57.48 | mdh | michal_: /j #flood |
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| 02:58.03 | abrotman | nvz: moving to OH ? |
| 02:58.17 | nvz | abrotman: yeah, going to see greycat |
| 02:58.19 | Hiruky | My current kernel is 2.4.27-2-386 is that going to have patches the 2.4.27 doesn't have? |
| 02:58.36 | fhffhqvb | in soviet russia, greycats see you |
| 02:58.45 | GoatRoby | stew: xlibs, xutils, xbase-clients, xterm, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-base, xfonts-scalable, xlibs-dev |
| 02:58.47 | mwilson | Hiruky: As soon as you look at the documentation that came with the package, you will know. |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | nvz: heh |
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| 02:59.13 | stew | GoatRoby: did you install x-window-system or x-window-system-core? |
| 02:59.15 | paul_ | howdy all |
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| 02:59.41 | paul_ | seems i got deb installed after all, on a 400 mhz gateway hehe |
| 02:59.44 | mwilson | "Guerout"? <snicker> |
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| 02:59.54 | abrotman | isn't paul the one that yelled at us the other day ?> |
| 02:59.57 | KodeK | AHHH exim is driving me crazy. |
| 03:00.04 | paul_ | ummm no |
| 03:00.11 | paul_ | you yelled at me tho lol |
| 03:00.17 | withdraw | anyone know what the kimagedest is |
| 03:00.18 | abrotman | oh .. i doubt it |
| 03:00.21 | withdraw | and why its not defined? |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | we never yell at anyone |
| 03:00.28 | GoatRoby | stew: it automatically chose one of them, i can't recall which |
| 03:00.30 | paul_ | yuk yuk, no trolling you said |
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| 03:00.32 | abrotman | paul_: YOU GOT THAT!! .. WE NEVER YELL AT ANYONE! |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:00.34 | GoatRoby | stew: let me check |
| 03:00.58 | paul_ | trolling? is there chicks in here? |
| 03:01.36 | GoatRoby | stew: it installed neither |
| 03:01.36 | KodeK | Ok, so incoming mail works :) (I'm so happy) now I gotta find out how to authenticate with my sbcglobal server, so I can send mail. |
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| 03:02.05 | paul_ | so i was trying to install 2.4 kernel on a modern system and it didnt work so well |
| 03:02.16 | nvz | mwilson: PA Department Of Labor and Intdustry "What is the Law Regarding Breaks and Meal Periods" http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/cwp/view.asp?a=142&Q=61106&landiPNavCtr=|#10 |
| 03:02.21 | stew | GoatRoby: install one of them (don't ask me which i can't remember the difference :) |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | paul_: don't you have the 915G thingie ? |
| 03:02.25 | mwilson | <snicker> apt thinks it needs to remove nethack in order for xorg to installl... I don't THINK so. :) |
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| 03:02.29 | GoatRoby | stew: hehe ok let me try |
| 03:02.30 | dhn- | what's the command to restart the network? services network restart does not work |
| 03:02.31 | abrotman | where's directhex |
| 03:02.31 | paul_ | yepper |
| 03:02.50 | paul_ | i havent installed it on the intel yet tho |
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| 03:03.09 | paul_ | im running it on a 400 mhz gateway |
| 03:03.30 | fffttt | I've installed python-2.3.5 using aptitude but there is no /usr/lib/python2.3/config directory, and as such i can't run "python setup.py install" to install 3rd party site-packages. Is there anotjer .deb I need installed in order to get this to work? |
| 03:03.31 | mwilson | nvz: Wow... that would never fly in CA. |
| 03:03.49 | nvz | !fuck PA |
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| 03:03.54 | paul_ | i new i had installed it on the intel, but forgot about the 2.6 command |
| 03:04.01 | paul_ | install |
| 03:04.06 | stew | fffttt: python2.3-dev iirc |
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| 03:04.22 | mwilson | gravity: I'm afraid that as long as your xorg packages require the removal of nethack, they'll NEVER get installed on my box. :) |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | paul_: linux26 |
| 03:04.37 | gravity | mwilson: I can appreciate that :-) |
| 03:04.41 | stew | mwilson: why on earth would they care about nethack? |
| 03:04.50 | paul_ | abrotman , yep thats it |
| 03:04.54 | paul_ | doh |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | like i would lie |
| 03:05.11 | fffttt | stew: ahh, cheers :-) i tried searching for "python" and reading thru them, but there were too many |
| 03:05.14 | paul_ | hey im not a professional geek, have a day job hehe |
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| 03:05.23 | mdh | stew: dependencies for some things are SNAFU |
| 03:05.31 | stew | fffttt: /msg dpkg search ; apt-file would have helped you here |
| 03:05.31 | abrotman | being a professional geek is my day job :) |
| 03:05.39 | nvz | mwilson: I don't know why they think people under 18 have to take a break or eat during long periods of work, but older people do not... last time I checked people 18 and older are the ones who fucking vote around here.. so who's more important?! |
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| 03:05.49 | paul_ | well this is ok fer a hobby me thinks |
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| 03:05.53 | Relampago | hello |
| 03:06.01 | Nekojin | Hello |
| 03:06.04 | Relampago | :( |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | nvz: sweatshop rules |
| 03:06.05 | mwilson | nvz: Minors are generally more protected in the workplace than adults are. |
| 03:06.07 | Relampago | i need help pls |
| 03:06.30 | abrotman | !pls |
| 03:06.30 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 03:06.39 | MoLoot | dpkg: hahaha |
| 03:06.39 | dpkg | methinks hahaha is http://www.shugashack.com/screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg |
| 03:06.42 | paul_ | moving soon, offline for two weeks so you wont have me to kick around nyuck nyuck |
| 03:06.44 | Relampago | i can't change my Resolution :( |
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| 03:06.52 | abrotman | !drxx Relampago |
| 03:06.52 | dpkg | Relampago: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:07.04 | Relampago | :O |
| 03:07.12 | paul_ | later friends |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | dpkg: you're so smart! |
| 03:07.18 | Nekojin | I was wondering, on the Debian Website it has a list of installation guides for various things like Interl x86, I have a 633 MHz Celeron Processor, is that supporrted by Debian Linux? |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:07.34 | Guerout | Nekojin: yes |
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| 03:07.40 | paul_ | ill be back to yell at u again real soon hehe |
| 03:07.46 | Nekojin | Ok, is there a guide on the site for installation? |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:07.50 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 03:07.57 | Relampago | paul_ i use dpkg, but my X server not Start :| |
| 03:08.26 | mwilson | gravity: Oh, and it wants to remove xdm and not replace it. :) Can't have that, either. Wow... I bet your day *has* been hell. |
| 03:08.35 | stew | Relampago: what is the error from the Xfree86.log? |
| 03:08.47 | Relampago | i dont know :x |
| 03:08.51 | Relampago | !drxx Relampago |
| 03:08.53 | dpkg | Relampago: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 03:09.01 | gravity | mwilson: Huh? That can't be right... it should be replacing it |
| 03:09.11 | mwilson | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 03:09.12 | myren | what can i use to markup a pdf and printout a PNG? |
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| 03:09.20 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.20 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.22 | myren | i need to fill in some form items & jazz |
| 03:09.33 | monggapchiki | hi |
| 03:09.37 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:09.44 | gravity | xdm should be replaced... that's odd |
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| 03:09.55 | pablum | anyone have the Southpark "Chef |
| 03:09.58 | pablum | oops |
| 03:10.01 | Relampago | brb i test dkpg |
| 03:10.02 | mwilson | gravity: Fortunately I'm smart enough to not actually DO it. :) |
| 03:10.04 | pablum | anyone have the Southpark "Chef Aid" album? |
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| 03:10.53 | mwilson | gravity: Like I said, I'm waiting for at least -3... but I wanted to see what -1 was going to be like. |
| 03:11.09 | Guerout | pablum: what gives you the idea that this is a musicwarez channel? |
| 03:11.37 | pablum | nono... I already have it (and I'm not looking for warez) |
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| 03:12.22 | fas3r | good night all |
| 03:12.34 | nvz | this is one fucked up state I live in.. now that I no longer have friends in the state govt I think I need to write some letters. Let them know that the commonwealth of pennsylvania is nothing but a poverty state.. you either starve because you are broke, or because you are out making a living and dont have a right to eat.. heh |
| 03:13.00 | mwilson | nvz: No one says you don't have a right to eat. |
| 03:13.08 | MoLoot | nvz: PennDot is a prime example of that |
| 03:13.12 | nvz | if you want a job you don't heh |
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| 03:13.28 | mwilson | nvz: That site you quoted says you don't have the right to stop working while you do it. |
| 03:13.48 | mwilson | nvz: Not that you can't do it at all. |
| 03:14.21 | myren | how can i convert a pdf to a raster format? |
| 03:14.39 | nvz | mwilson: you missed the part where it says they can fire you at will without reason.. I think standing in a warehouse eating, when you got work to do could get you fired |
| 03:14.42 | aurax | !dpkg repositories |
| 03:14.50 | aurax | !dpkg mirrors |
| 03:14.50 | dpkg | from memory, mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 03:15.27 | Hiruky | heh i wish there was a way to decompile a kernel image |
| 03:15.28 | Hiruky | -_- |
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| 03:15.41 | positrix | myren use the TeX stuff like pdf2png (if there is one) or take a screenshot |
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| 03:16.58 | v[]L7r[]n | What version of xorg is the latest debian running ? |
| 03:17.10 | stew | v[]L7r[]n: what does lastest mean? |
| 03:17.18 | Guerout | v[]L7r[]n: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 |
| 03:17.19 | v[]L7r[]n | stable |
| 03:17.26 | Guerout | v[]L7r[]n: stable isn't running xorg |
| 03:17.30 | stew | v[]L7r[]n: none |
| 03:17.34 | v[]L7r[]n | xfree |
| 03:17.42 | stew | v[]L7r[]n: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 03:18.12 | abrotman | !info xserver-xfree86 sarge |
| 03:18.12 | v[]L7r[]n | man that makes me look dumb |
| 03:18.20 | mwilson | Yes, it does. |
| 03:18.26 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sarge), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
| 03:18.33 | stew | v[]L7r[]n: actually your /nick takes care of that :P |
| 03:18.35 | deadcat | "!xorg debs" for sarge backport |
| 03:18.56 | Guerout | well, now it's in sid a simple sarge backport would do the trix0r |
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| 03:19.15 | mwilson | Ok, one moron on d-u so far |
| 03:19.21 | plb | don't see xorg on amd64 mirros =[ |
| 03:19.25 | daedalus_ | v[]L7r[]n: could you please use a less-typable name? I can type this one too fast |
| 03:19.32 | deadcat | mwilson: whats d-u? |
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| 03:19.42 | Guerout | daedalus_: v<tab> |
| 03:20.07 | daedalus_ | Guerout: Hot damn.... show's how in tune I am with my aim client |
| 03:20.09 | daedalus_ | err irc |
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| 03:20.57 | hatezilla | can anyone point me in the right direction for installing fcgi on apache 1.3.x on debian? |
| 03:21.00 | daedalus_ | mwilson: debian-users? |
| 03:21.17 | Guerout | hatezilla: apt-cache search apache fast cgi |
| 03:21.22 | hatezilla | yeah |
| 03:21.23 | hatezilla | nothing there... |
| 03:21.25 | hatezilla | just for apache 2 |
| 03:21.30 | Guerout | oh |
| 03:21.33 | hatezilla | im thinking my sources list is fucked up? |
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| 03:21.41 | Guerout | dunno |
| 03:21.46 | hatezilla | i read somewhere that at one time there was an apache 1.3 fcgi module |
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| 03:22.16 | Hiruky | the kerenel-image-2.4.27-2-386 mentioned patches in its readme. will these patches be on the kernel-source-2.4.27? or is there a way i can get source for 2.4.27-2-386? |
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| 03:22.44 | terr | why would postgresql be involved with an apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprin |
| 03:22.56 | nvz | I need to quit reading PA law or move to another state like earlier suggested.. these BS laws just make me want to reserve my right to bear arms, and go out and stick people up and steal shit. I remember now why I left PA a few years ago, because the workforse here was terrible |
| 03:23.00 | KodeK | So does anyone have any experience with exim and sbc yahoo's smtp server? |
| 03:23.18 | deadcat | KodeK: smart internet host |
| 03:23.35 | deadcat | KodeK: then enter the sbc mail server |
| 03:23.40 | KodeK | deadcat: I can't make exim authenticate. Any idea why? |
| 03:23.53 | ZoModsmia | hi |
| 03:23.56 | v[]L7r[]n | you see I don't want xorg 6.8.2 because it causes me problems with my mga g400 card. I haven't tested out my card on a xfree86 4.3.0 so I guess trying it out on Debian wont hurt |
| 03:24.19 | deadcat | KodeK: no. i have postfix and dslextreme.com, its pretty simple |
| 03:24.21 | stew | v[]L7r[]n: g400 is solid on 4.3.0 |
| 03:24.33 | Hiruky | the kerenel-image-2.4.27-2-386 mentioned patches in its readme. will these patches be on the kernel-source-2.4.27? or is there a way i can get source for 2.4.27-2-386? |
| 03:24.48 | deadcat | v[]L7r[]n: stop being a bitch. if you dont want xorg. dont fucking use it |
| 03:24.50 | mdh | v[]L7r[]n: g450 works fine with xorg |
| 03:24.57 | KodeK | deadcat: do you know where I can find info on enabling SSL auth for connections to the smarthost on exim? |
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| 03:25.18 | deadcat | KodeK: no clue |
| 03:25.19 | Guerout | deadcat: wtf? |
| 03:25.20 | nvz | positrix: thanks, I knew that.. its just late.. I'm tired and undernurished from being dehydrated and hungry all day |
| 03:25.31 | Hiruky | anyone? |
| 03:25.34 | nvz | positrix: spelling errors are imminant |
| 03:25.35 | deadcat | Guerout: what? |
| 03:25.37 | v[]L7r[]n | great I have 5 of my monitors up just havent got the mga_hal 6.8.1 to be loaded with 6.8.2 but there's a 4.3.0 with the beta driver package |
| 03:25.38 | KodeK | deadcat: I tried googling it, but nothing comes up. Only a dead config file. |
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| 03:25.52 | KodeK | deadcat: It pisses me off because it should be pretty simple. |
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| 03:26.57 | v[]L7r[]n | I'm getting it right now |
| 03:27.04 | v[]L7r[]n | oh ya |
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| 03:29.22 | DoppelGanger | eerely quiet |
| 03:29.25 | positrix | which *nix is best for laptops? |
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| 03:30.11 | SDFH_Linux | have they fixed gaim yet? |
| 03:30.18 | DoppelGanger | no |
| 03:30.19 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
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| 03:30.31 | Marble2 | Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 03:30.51 | SDFH_Linux | grr |
| 03:30.56 | SDFH_Linux | :P |
| 03:30.58 | hatezilla | what's the right sources list to be using for sarge? |
| 03:31.11 | mdh | michal_: maybe it wasnts the LOGIN method too |
| 03:31.15 | hatezilla | i'm on testing/main right now |
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| 03:32.03 | positrix | hatezilla change the words "testing" to "sarge" |
| 03:32.09 | hatezilla | cool |
| 03:32.19 | hatezilla | is that gonna roll things forward or back? |
| 03:32.52 | positrix | it might screw things up sideways... i've never tried it. |
| 03:33.37 | mwilson | Am I reading this correctly? d'Itri uploaded to unstable a version of udev that didn't work with any kernels currently available in unstable? |
| 03:33.48 | stew | mwilson: yup |
| 03:33.50 | v[]L7r[]n | Whats with Ubuntu cramping Debians style |
| 03:33.51 | FieldySnuts | you'd be surprised? |
| 03:34.02 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 03:34.11 | DoppelGanger | mwilson: give him a gold star |
| 03:34.12 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: No, after all, it's d'Itri. Why he's allowed to maintain udev, I'll never understand. |
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| 03:34.15 | v[]L7r[]n | saying that debian is unstable and careless |
| 03:34.27 | stew | mwilson: iirc it only works with 2.6.12 which fails to compile on some arches |
| 03:34.33 | FieldySnuts | why is he allowed to maintain anything? sounds like one of those devs who is a dev just because they know somebody, or give good $sexual-act |
| 03:34.40 | mdh | mwilson: there's been other issues with him? |
| 03:35.14 | v[]L7r[]n | Thats not what I read in the Debian pep pages |
| 03:35.42 | mwilson | I should save this d-u posting for the next time some moron says there's never any problems in unstable. |
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| 03:36.19 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: url? i just got here |
| 03:36.40 | Atula | is there a bash command to shows the current user? |
| 03:36.49 | Atula | I like to use it for a log |
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| 03:37.00 | stew | Atula: whoami ; id |
| 03:37.01 | colby | whoami |
| 03:37.12 | mdh | I don't think its fair to DD's to have to hold back current versions of their packages because some other DD is lazy |
| 03:37.12 | gravity | v[]L7r[]n: Debian "pep" pages? |
| 03:37.29 | Atula | thank you |
| 03:37.30 | FieldySnuts | !smite v[]L7r[]n |
| 03:37.38 | FieldySnuts | interesting one that |
| 03:39.26 | mwilson | mdh: udev is a slightly critical package, no matter what its package description actually says. |
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| 03:39.59 | mwilson | mdh: Uploading something like that to unstable, when he should have known that it would break moron boxes worldwide, is just irresponsible. |
| 03:40.09 | FieldySnuts | the real question is, no matter who did what, how the fuck did that get past qa (if there is any) |
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| 03:40.28 | v[]L7r[]n | I've been smitten down |
| 03:40.34 | FieldySnuts | and if after such a serious mistake they're not revoked some privs, then that's saying "it's okay" |
| 03:40.39 | XaMn | how do you reconfigure XFree86? with dpkg? |
| 03:40.41 | mwilson | mdh: Plus... there is ZERO possibility that he tested it before he uploaded it, unless he's running a custom kernel on his box, and if he is, whyinhell is he building packages on it? |
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| 03:40.47 | XaMn | !dpkg |
| 03:40.47 | dpkg | [dpkg] the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 03:40.59 | gravity | XaMn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:40.59 | XaMn | !dpkg XaMn |
| 03:41.05 | v[]L7r[]n | My knees buckle under the blow of a Debian defender |
| 03:41.07 | XaMn | ah ok |
| 03:41.34 | XaMn | will this work if x won't respond? |
| 03:41.45 | mwilson | Wow... only two xorg morons in all of d-u today. Either they're really good packages, or morons don't read d-u |
| 03:42.03 | hatezilla | stupid question today - what's the signifigance of the non-free branch? |
| 03:42.08 | hatezilla | are those packages you're expected to pay for? |
| 03:42.20 | XaMn | sorry if my question sounds stupid |
| 03:42.23 | gravity | hatezilla: No, they're packages that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 03:42.30 | mdh | mwilson: if I dont even know what d-u is, chances are a moron doesn't either ;) |
| 03:42.31 | mwilson | tictac: I doubt it's random. |
| 03:42.32 | gravity | XaMn: dpkg-reconfigure will still work without X, yes |
| 03:42.37 | stew | mwilson: give it time, it got into unstable pretty late in the day |
| 03:42.41 | mwilson | mdh: debian-user |
| 03:42.49 | myren | any suggestions for programs to batch convert images etween formatS? |
| 03:42.53 | XaMn | well what im saying is that X is frozen and won't take keyboard commands |
| 03:42.54 | tictac | mwilson: its not on any kind of time schedule, then. |
| 03:42.56 | gravity | Well, round two will go in to unstable tomorrow |
| 03:43.01 | mwilson | myren: There's some reason not to use imagemagick? |
| 03:43.10 | gravity | XaMn: Uh... can you get to a console at all? |
| 03:43.45 | myren | mwilson: whats the console binary for it? |
| 03:43.53 | XaMn | when i boot up...i get past post and grub |
| 03:43.56 | XaMn | keyboard works |
| 03:44.14 | XaMn | but once i get to x... |
| 03:44.18 | XaMn | keyboard doesn't respond |
| 03:44.46 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: what's the subject of this d-u post you're talkin about |
| 03:44.46 | gravity | XaMn: Can you ssh in to the box? |
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| 03:44.55 | XaMn | im doing it right now |
| 03:44.59 | XaMn | thats how i am able to talk to you |
| 03:45.03 | XaMn | im at worka |
| 03:45.05 | XaMn | and |
| 03:45.06 | gravity | XaMn: Then yeah, dpkg-reconfigure will work |
| 03:45.13 | mdh | mwilson: I guess one day I should subscribe to these debian lists |
| 03:45.14 | ecliptik | how do I disalbe the touchscroll feature on my synaptics touchpad? |
| 03:45.15 | gravity | XaMn: You'll need to restart X afterwards of course |
| 03:45.16 | XaMn | im using ssh to get to it |
| 03:45.31 | mdh | mwilson: I've seen the traffic though, even on d-d 98% of it is crap |
| 03:45.32 | XaMn | well how can i use dpkg when it won't show me the screen on here? |
| 03:45.53 | FieldySnuts | !confuse XaMn |
| 03:45.54 | dpkg | Yes, them is their hamster yesterday, XaMn? wellies of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 03:45.55 | XaMn | i can't see dpkg load up |
| 03:46.00 | FieldySnuts | what the hell are you talking about |
| 03:46.19 | XaMn | im using telnet on a pc |
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| 03:46.33 | FieldySnuts | you're telnetted in. right, not talking to you. |
| 03:46.45 | dystopian | telnet? |
| 03:46.52 | gravity | XaMn: Just run the command |
| 03:46.54 | gravity | Just do it |
| 03:46.54 | XaMn | ok |
| 03:46.58 | XaMn | i'll be back |
| 03:46.59 | Atula | what's the equivalent to "else" in shell script? |
| 03:47.00 | XaMn | :q |
| 03:47.06 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: message thread beginning with Message-ID: <d365b8d7ecf955d546d0026693093979@intermesh.nl> |
| 03:47.17 | v[]L7r[]n | Here's something I noticed just now. Debian had listed libpng2 and libpng3. Mandriva 10.2 through out linpng2 because it caused problems with libpng3 causing me painfulness in my head due to not being able to use a simple program like zgv. |
| 03:47.27 | FieldySnuts | well im using the web interface, sure you don't have the subject? |
| 03:47.33 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Also bug #317332 |
| 03:47.51 | gravity | v[]L7r[]n: Mandriva is not Debian. |
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| 03:48.55 | Hiruky | hi |
| 03:48.58 | dystopian | hey |
| 03:49.09 | KodeK | What's this "mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/8" i see in postfix's config? |
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| 03:49.12 | Hiruky | i read the readme for kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 and there are quite a few patches and changes it says in the readme |
| 03:49.16 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Jakob's bug report is *very* to-the-point, d'Itri, as usual, doesn't get it. |
| 03:49.29 | Hiruky | is there a way to get those patches on my 2.4.27 source since i cant find a -2-386 source? |
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| 03:50.05 | Supaplex | the -2-386 is most likely just a .config difference |
| 03:50.16 | mwilson | Especially his idiotic comment in Message-ID: <20050709230211.GA14378@wonderland.linux.it> |
| 03:50.56 | FieldySnuts | again i'm using the web interface to the mailing list archives, doesn't help me much |
| 03:51.00 | FieldySnuts | but i am reading the bug |
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| 03:51.39 | KodeK | Anyone? |
| 03:51.48 | KodeK | --> What's this "mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/8" i see in postfix's config? |
| 03:52.01 | KodeK | and should I change it? |
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| 03:52.04 | Supaplex | KodeK: what do you think it is? |
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| 03:52.14 | KodeK | Supaplex, if I knew, I wouldnt ask you, smartass. |
| 03:52.37 | Hiruky | i read the readme for kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 and there are quite a few patches and changes it says in the readme |
| 03:52.38 | FieldySnuts | with an attitude like that, good luck getting help. better go to google now |
| 03:52.38 | Supaplex | KodeK: snippy snippy. have it your way. |
| 03:52.42 | Hiruky | is there a way to get those patches on my 2.4.27 source since i cant find a -2-386 source? |
| 03:53.05 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Manoj gets it. |
| 03:53.32 | bob2 | KodeK: that's who it will relay for |
| 03:53.47 | KodeK | bob2, so, should I keep it like that? What's the /8 at the end? |
| 03:54.00 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: *OH*, does Manoj "get it". :) |
| 03:54.04 | bob2 | it means "127.*.*.*" |
| 03:54.07 | Hiruky | sorry to be rude |
| 03:54.11 | Hiruky | but is everyone ignoring me? |
| 03:54.38 | KodeK | bob2, if this will be the only mail server, should it stay pointing to my loopback? |
| 03:54.38 | Supaplex | !tell Hiruky about ask |
| 03:54.44 | TECiSlam | hello |
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| 03:54.55 | Hiruky | but someone must know :( |
| 03:55.05 | bob2 | KodeK: I don't know, only you know which other machines it should relay mail for |
| 03:55.06 | JunK-Y | how can i start a specific services in /etc/services ? |
| 03:55.15 | mwilson | JunK-Y: You don't, of course. |
| 03:55.15 | FieldySnuts | maybe, but begging won't get it out of the 2 people who know who are idle |
| 03:55.19 | cat | JunK-Y: /etc/init.d/services start; |
| 03:55.25 | Hiruky | 2? |
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| 03:55.36 | KodeK | bob2, well, no one else. So I guess it'll stay like that :P |
| 03:55.38 | bob2 | Hiruky: yes |
| 03:55.47 | FieldySnuts | it's sarcasm. relax. |
| 03:55.51 | Hiruky | meh |
| 03:55.58 | FieldySnuts | try asking again later, we aren't miracle workers |
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| 03:56.14 | Hiruky | hmm |
| 03:56.24 | Hiruky | so nobody knows then? i'll leave you alone if you don't |
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| 03:56.30 | FieldySnuts | god quit being a baby about it |
| 03:56.34 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Wouldn't the world be a better place if Manoj *did* hijack it? |
| 03:56.38 | Hiruky | wtf |
| 03:56.49 | dystopian | oh man. |
| 03:56.54 | JunK-Y | cat: ive not played around that so much, but there's no /etc/init.d/ftpd to start it. |
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| 03:56.57 | Speedy2 | Has anyone here used the NTFS read-only driver in the Linux kernel? |
| 03:56.58 | jetx | deal with it |
| 03:56.58 | Gnea | another one that takes irc too literally |
| 03:57.00 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: it'd be a better place if certain maintainers who have repeatedly made critical mistakes aren't allowed to upload any longer. |
| 03:57.01 | Hiruky | huh |
| 03:57.03 | Hiruky | no i odn't |
| 03:57.06 | Hiruky | oO |
| 03:57.09 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 03:57.13 | Hiruky | meh |
| 03:57.15 | jetx | !ro-ntfs |
| 03:57.15 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 03:57.15 | Gnea | denial - it's not just a river |
| 03:57.27 | cat | JunK-Y: apt-get install ftpd |
| 03:57.29 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: but since that doesn't happen, there is no incentive not to fuck up. |
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| 03:57.31 | Hiruky | what are you talking about, honestly |
| 03:57.42 | Hiruky | see you could have answered my question instead of tyring to insult me.... |
| 03:57.42 | Gnea | Hiruky: if you're finished reacting, what's your problem? |
| 03:57.50 | Gnea | see |
| 03:57.54 | Gnea | you took it too seriously |
| 03:57.56 | FieldySnuts | like I said, acting like a baby about it |
| 03:57.59 | Speedy2 | For some odd reason, even with the permissions setup correctly, the NTFS mount changes such that only root can view it when it's mounted |
| 03:58.00 | Gnea | you thought i was insulting you |
| 03:58.08 | jetx | bah |
| 03:58.11 | Supaplex | Speedy2: it's by design |
| 03:58.12 | Hiruky | then what were you doing? forget it |
| 03:58.16 | jetx | with that line? |
| 03:58.16 | JunK-Y | cat: ive already that package, used ftp for months on that machine, for an unknown reason, the service isnt started. |
| 03:58.25 | Hiruky | i read the readme for kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 and there are quite a few patches and changes it says in the readme |
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| 03:58.28 | Speedy2 | Supaplex: Is there anything I can do about that? |
| 03:58.33 | Hiruky | is there a way to get those patches on my 2.4.27 source since i cant find a -2-386 source? |
| 03:58.40 | Gnea | no i won't forget it, i'm here to help not hurt |
| 03:58.44 | jetx | Speedy2: you obviously didn't read |
| 03:58.47 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 03:58.54 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: knoppixsmite? |
| 03:59.02 | Supaplex | Speedy2: yea, pass the right mount options. check the man pages for mount |
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| 03:59.05 | Hiruky | oO |
| 03:59.08 | Gnea | Hiruky: shouldn't be too difficult, which patches are you after? |
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| 03:59.17 | jetx | Speedy2: try /lastlog dpkg |
| 03:59.27 | cat | oh that's weird everytime i open up a shell it takes me to a directory that i haven't event put on a variable, how can i fixed it to just go to $USER |
| 03:59.29 | Speedy2 | jetx: Got it, one second, |
| 03:59.39 | Hiruky | it's no tonly patches |
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| 03:59.41 | dystopian | it's just irc. not paid support. the a lot of the people here already know each other and are already talking about other stuff. isn't enought that they are willing to help if they can for total strangers. please get off your juffy bike and chill. |
| 03:59.41 | Hiruky | there are other changes |
| 03:59.50 | Gnea | well start somewhere |
| 03:59.52 | Gnea | and go from there |
| 03:59.54 | GoatRoby | Is there a package that will allow me to play mp3s from console? |
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| 03:59.55 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: beer dystopian |
| 04:00.11 | Hiruky | dystopian: we ended that already |
| 04:00.13 | JunK-Y | GoatRoby: mpg123 É |
| 04:00.15 | JunK-Y | ? |
| 04:00.16 | stew | GoatRoby: mpg321 ; cplay |
| 04:00.24 | withdraw | how do i recompile my modules the non debian way |
| 04:00.25 | dystopian | oic... |
| 04:00.27 | withdraw | w/o using make-kpkg |
| 04:00.32 | Gnea | dystopian: leave the past where it belongs please |
| 04:00.36 | dystopian | thanks |
| 04:00.37 | XaMn | ok i did that...i hope that its fixed when i get home... anyone know how to configure it so i can use a visual remote assces through ssh ? |
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| 04:00.45 | XaMn | i found the program cygwin but.... |
| 04:00.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:00.53 | XaMn | i can't get the display in x to configure |
| 04:00.54 | FieldySnuts | what does cygwin have to do with any of that |
| 04:00.55 | stew | withdraw: google for kernel-howto |
| 04:01.00 | FieldySnuts | vnc over ssh perhaps |
| 04:01.01 | stew | withdraw: but why would you want to do that? |
| 04:01.10 | jetx | Speedy2: man mount, search for the umask and dmask |
| 04:01.10 | XaMn | so i can use my box at work |
| 04:01.11 | withdraw | im getting this bug |
| 04:01.14 | withdraw | debian/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 04:01.15 | gravity | cygwin? |
| 04:01.23 | XaMn | yeah cygwin |
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| 04:01.26 | gravity | What does cygwin have to do with Debian? |
| 04:01.27 | mdh | mwilson: its Jakob that doesn't get it. Marco's responses are supported by the upstream maintainer also (Greg K-H) |
| 04:01.29 | XaMn | it lets you use x on windows |
| 04:01.41 | Speedy2 | jetx, The owner is listed as "CDROM" after mounting that way |
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| 04:01.47 | GoatRoby | JunK-Y: stew: how about ogg-vorbis? |
| 04:01.47 | withdraw | stew, do u know anything about how to fix that |
| 04:01.49 | XaMn | you ssh into a box and then run x in the program |
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| 04:02.00 | mdh | mwilson: Jakob does a lot of backpeddling later on... I just read the entire 317332 bug report |
| 04:02.07 | gravity | So how do you know the problem isn't in cygwin's config? |
| 04:02.08 | jetx | Speedy2: yes i know, that would be why it says to change those if you want |
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| 04:02.12 | Gnea | Hiruky: i imagine there's a list of patches applied in the README.Debian file that outlines what changes to the stock kernel have been made |
| 04:02.18 | XaMn | cause when i am in my box |
| 04:02.19 | jetx | !tell Speedy2 about ro-ntfs |
| 04:02.21 | Hiruky | yes |
| 04:02.22 | XaMn | and i run 'startx' |
| 04:02.32 | XaMn | it says im not authorized to run x |
| 04:02.40 | cat | oh that's weird everytime i open up a shell it takes me to a directory that i haven't event put on a variable, how can i fixed this? |
| 04:02.42 | XaMn | yet when i log in at home..normally i can |
| 04:02.43 | Supaplex | XaMn: you'd need Xforwarding enabled in sshd config, and request it from the client. |
| 04:02.48 | Gnea | Hiruky: what sort of functionality, gathered from that list, are you looking for? |
| 04:02.56 | Hiruky | well |
| 04:02.58 | XaMn | yes i needed to know about Xforwarding |
| 04:03.00 | KodeK | Does postfix use ~/Maildir/ as default? |
| 04:03.00 | jetx | i think it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common, XaMn |
| 04:03.02 | mdh | XaMn: man xauth |
| 04:03.06 | jetx | i forget |
| 04:03.07 | stew | GoatRoby: ogg123 |
| 04:03.07 | Hiruky | when i compiled the source, there was a problem with acpi, and thre was a problem with networking |
| 04:03.18 | GoatRoby | stew: wow nice |
| 04:03.27 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:03.27 | FieldySnuts | <3 ogg |
| 04:03.34 | jetx | oh nm remote |
| 04:03.39 | jetx | i know nothing |
| 04:03.42 | Gnea | Hiruky: how were you compiling those? as Y or M? |
| 04:03.46 | stew | GoatRoby: cplay is a nice text based playlist manager for all of the above |
| 04:03.48 | Hiruky | make menuconfig |
| 04:03.51 | Hiruky | um |
| 04:03.56 | XaMn | ok i'll look at xauth then |
| 04:03.59 | Supaplex | XaMn: you'd have to run ssh in x on the client side to call your window manager or any X program on the remote side. Calling X on the remote side isn't what you want (otherwise it'll use the hardware on the remote ...) |
| 04:04.00 | simonrvn | wtf happened to the fonts? |
| 04:04.02 | Hiruky | i think i forgot an alsa patch |
| 04:04.08 | Hiruky | but i think networking should have worked |
| 04:04.10 | Gnea | were you trying to build those into the kernel or as modules? |
| 04:04.17 | stew | withdraw: what arch are you compiling on? what kernel version? |
| 04:04.22 | gravity | simonrvn: ? |
| 04:04.24 | Gnea | Hiruky: okay, so basically you want to use ALSA instead of OSS? |
| 04:04.28 | Hiruky | yes |
| 04:04.31 | Gnea | oh |
| 04:04.31 | Hiruky | and get networking to work |
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| 04:04.35 | Gnea | why didn't you just say so :) |
| 04:04.37 | Hiruky | for some reason there was trouble with that |
| 04:04.39 | Supaplex | xavierk: then any X application will ride back over the ssh connection and show up on your local display. |
| 04:04.49 | simonrvn | gravity: my lucidatypewriter looks squished |
| 04:04.57 | GoatRoby | stew: cool |
| 04:04.57 | Supaplex | xavierk: nm that, I meant XaMn |
| 04:05.01 | Gnea | Hiruky: is that sarge, etch or sid? |
| 04:05.01 | gravity | simonrvn: Is this with the X.Org packages? |
| 04:05.04 | withdraw | stew, linux-2.6.12.2 |
| 04:05.08 | simonrvn | almost like it's been clipped on one side |
| 04:05.15 | Hiruky | um don't know the names, but it's 2.4.27 |
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| 04:05.18 | llama32 | can someone tell me if javagameplay.com will load for them? |
| 04:05.23 | KodeK | Where does postfix save its log files? |
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| 04:05.26 | simonrvn | gravity: yeh. wasn't doing this with your repo xorg stuff. |
| 04:05.26 | Gnea | Hiruky: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:05.40 | gravity | huh |
| 04:05.41 | Supaplex | KodeK: ususaly via syslog, /var/log/... |
| 04:05.42 | Gnea | Hiruky: there's the kernel version and there's the version of debian |
| 04:05.43 | Hiruky | oh 3.1 |
| 04:05.49 | Gnea | sooooooo |
| 04:05.51 | KodeK | Supaplex, thank you. |
| 04:05.51 | cat | declare -x PWD="/home/cat/eggdrop" |
| 04:05.53 | Gnea | testing or unstable? |
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| 04:05.55 | stew | withdraw: dunno, (what arch btw) is there a reason that you can't use 2.6.11-1? |
| 04:06.00 | cat | how can i fixed that to put it as /home/cat |
| 04:06.02 | Gnea | or stable? |
| 04:06.07 | cat | noot /home/cat/eggdrop |
| 04:06.08 | gravity | simonrvn: That's bizarre. Nothing changed in the fonts or font anything from 0pre1 to 1 |
| 04:06.09 | Hiruky | i'm guessing stable |
| 04:06.17 | Gnea | then you're using sarge |
| 04:06.18 | withdraw | stew, i did a google search and other ppl were getting that error but w/ other kernel verison |
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| 04:06.33 | Gnea | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 module-init-tools |
| 04:06.37 | withdraw | their solution was to upgrade their kernel |
| 04:06.38 | Gnea | 2.6 has alsa built-in |
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| 04:06.44 | simonrvn | gravity: yeh, probably missing something here, a lot of breakage with gcc, libaspell and c++ |
| 04:06.45 | Gnea | plus it's faster |
| 04:06.46 | Hiruky | yeah, i know |
| 04:06.53 | Hiruky | um 2.6 had a big problem with my network too |
| 04:06.54 | stew | withdraw: is there a reason you need to compile at all? |
| 04:06.57 | Gnea | you'll get better results with it |
| 04:07.00 | Hiruky | i have a 8139 realtek card |
| 04:07.01 | barry | my scanner isn't working except as root... |
| 04:07.03 | Gnea | it shouldn't |
| 04:07.04 | Gnea | so? |
| 04:07.07 | Hiruky | i could connect |
| 04:07.13 | Hiruky | but the ping to my router was 10k-20k |
| 04:07.17 | Gnea | i've built tons of 2.6 kernels for realteks |
| 04:07.17 | withdraw | i have to build my modules because im trying to install loop-aes |
| 04:07.30 | Hiruky | but did your network have such high ping? |
| 04:07.37 | barry | Gnea: was the it shouldn't directed at me? |
| 04:07.40 | Gnea | now that's bad |
| 04:07.42 | gravity | simonrvn: Hrm... we did port a fontserver fix from the xfree86 packages in the -1 packages... |
| 04:07.49 | Hiruky | yeah |
| 04:07.53 | Gnea | barry: did i say your name? |
| 04:07.57 | deadcat | haha.. my shits are translucent.. but xcompmgr is buggy. |
| 04:08.02 | Hiruky | It's not my hardware because it all works fine with my 2.4 kernel install |
| 04:08.03 | stew | withdraw: if i were you i'd move the .config out of the way, make mrproper ; move the .config back, make oldconfig, and try again |
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| 04:08.12 | Gnea | barry: what device is it using? |
| 04:08.14 | barry | Gnea: no, the timing was right though. Just wanted to clear things up |
| 04:08.15 | withdraw | ok |
| 04:08.15 | gravity | But that shouldn't be what's causing a single font to look weird... |
| 04:08.20 | simonrvn | not using one, not yet. i have a crapload of fonts on my other box, was thinking of setting it up for the LAN |
| 04:08.33 | simonrvn | gravity: no worries, i'll look at it later |
| 04:08.35 | barry | Gnea: one of the USBs...I forgot how to figure out which one |
| 04:08.43 | Gnea | Hiruky: did you compile the network driver for the realtek as a module or built into the kernel? |
| 04:08.44 | gravity | hrm |
| 04:08.55 | Hiruky | a module, i used precompiled for 2.6 |
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| 04:09.14 | Gnea | Hiruky: try compiling one from scratch and see how that goes |
| 04:09.20 | KodeK | What does this mean? I got it from the postfix log: http://rafb.net/paste/results/23PKSc41.html |
| 04:09.24 | Hiruky | okay |
| 04:09.32 | Hiruky | heh, the only reason i want this is so i can use apci -_- |
| 04:09.37 | Hiruky | oh but the other thing |
| 04:09.43 | Hiruky | my soudn doesn't work on my 2.6 kernel |
| 04:09.48 | Gnea | 2.6 has improved that |
| 04:09.48 | Hiruky | it says the card is not detected |
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| 04:09.57 | Hiruky | i have 2.6 isntalled too |
| 04:10.09 | steve__ | hey- when i setup drupal i get this error: |
| 04:10.15 | Hiruky | and alsa sound does not work for me |
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| 04:10.27 | Gnea | barry: tail -f /var/log/syslog in a term - unplug it and plug it back in, what sort of output does the kernel give? |
| 04:10.32 | withdraw | stew, nope i get the same error |
| 04:10.39 | Hiruky | i'll recompile a 2.6 kernel and see how it goes |
| 04:10.50 | Hiruky | then i'll ask for help if i can't get it to work |
| 04:10.56 | Gnea | Hiruky: what kind of soundcard? |
| 04:11.08 | Hiruky | it's built into my laptop, um don't know the model |
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| 04:11.18 | Gnea | lspci | grep audio |
| 04:11.24 | cat | can someone tell me how can i fixed this to set it up just /home/cat/ not declare -x PWD="/home/cat/eggdrop" |
| 04:11.26 | barry | how do you tell what is on what USB device |
| 04:11.33 | GullyFoyle | hmm...i tried to install from the debian-testing-i386-netinst and i got error "cant find kernel-image 2.6" bla bla bla |
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| 04:12.04 | Gnea | barry: it should say what the device node is - if udev is running it will create it and say what it is |
| 04:12.07 | Hiruky | i know the sound card works with alsa though |
| 04:12.10 | mdh | deadcat: how did you resolve the dependency problem with xserver-xorg/libglu1-xorg and pretty much every single x11 app? |
| 04:12.11 | steve___ | i just set up drupal- but i get this error: |
| 04:12.14 | steve___ | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/html/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 31 |
| 04:12.15 | Hiruky | don't know why it wasn't detected in my 2.6 kernel |
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| 04:12.26 | brad | hmm no luck yet but i think i found what i needed |
| 04:12.30 | Gnea | steve___: http://drupal.org |
| 04:12.31 | dystopian | GullyFoyle, did you type linux26 at the prompt? |
| 04:12.35 | GullyFoyle | no |
| 04:12.42 | liable | GullyFoyle: what boot prompt did you give? |
| 04:12.43 | barry | udev is running- how do you tell...what's the command (sorry) |
| 04:12.45 | cheale1 | steve__: sounds like you're missing php4-mysql |
| 04:12.52 | Supaplex | steve___: you need to install php4-mysql |
| 04:12.55 | mdh | barry: ps |
| 04:12.58 | Supaplex | er what cheale1 said. :P |
| 04:13.02 | GullyFoyle | liable: no, that wasnt in the help sreen |
| 04:13.10 | Gnea | barry: tail -f /var/log/syslog if you want an easier to read, apt-get install ccze and then: tail -f /var/log/syslog | ccze |
| 04:13.13 | cat | can someone tell me how can i fixed this to set it up just /home/cat/ not declare -x PWD="/home/cat/eggdrop" |
| 04:13.31 | Hiruky | Gnea: i'll come back after i've compiled a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:13.32 | brad | oh and.... how can i change my host name to something else other than host@localhost. blah? |
| 04:13.32 | liable | GullyFoyle: do as dystopian says, type linux26 at boot prompt |
| 04:13.33 | Hiruky | bbs |
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| 04:13.48 | dystopian | it'll work like a champ. :) |
| 04:14.05 | GullyFoyle | ok be back soon :) |
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| 04:14.09 | cat | please is getting annoying everytime i open up a window it takes me to $USER/eggdrop |
| 04:14.18 | Gnea | XaMn: hostname something && hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 04:14.23 | nephlim | hey guys. what package do i need to install the sensors needed for gkrellm? |
| 04:14.23 | XaMn | ideas? how can i change that? |
| 04:14.33 | Supaplex | !confuse cat |
| 04:14.34 | dpkg | No, what is your gouda tomorrow, cat? shirts of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cheese |
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| 04:14.49 | cat | !lart Supaplex |
| 04:14.51 | Gnea | cat: no idea, maybe .bashrc got futzed with |
| 04:15.14 | barry | ok, I figured out the Bus and Device |
| 04:15.20 | Supaplex | oh, it's ok. he'll be a little more vague in a minute |
| 04:15.35 | barry | so, how do I change the permissions... |
| 04:15.37 | cheale1 | !tell nephlim about lmsensors |
| 04:15.39 | cat | Gnea: when i do export the full command is there for example declare -x PWD="/home/cat/eggdrop" |
| 04:15.55 | Gnea | barry: well who owns it? |
| 04:16.00 | XaMn | anyone? |
| 04:16.16 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 04:16.16 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:16.18 | XaMn | how can i change my domain name on here? |
| 04:16.25 | barry | I think root, I don't know |
| 04:16.28 | Gnea | XaMn: i already told yoy how |
| 04:16.35 | XaMn | i didn't see |
| 04:16.36 | SDFH_Linux | so putting xorg will break my system? |
| 04:16.37 | Gnea | barry: why don't you check |
| 04:16.44 | Gnea | XaMn: hostname something && hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 04:16.45 | XaMn | i can't scroll up in epic |
| 04:16.47 | dystopian | nephlim, depends on what all you want it to do. there are a lot of extras. but just gkrellm should get it up basically |
| 04:16.51 | Gnea | sure you can |
| 04:16.53 | Gnea | i'm using epic |
| 04:16.57 | Gnea | and i can scroll up with pageup |
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| 04:17.21 | XaMn | oh lol now i see :P |
| 04:17.27 | XaMn | thanks :) |
| 04:17.39 | Gnea | npo |
| 04:17.40 | Gnea | ok |
| 04:17.42 | Gnea | nap time |
| 04:18.15 | Supaplex | cat: first you have to figure out where it's residing. try grep -rl '/home/cat/eggdrop' ~/ 2>/dev/null |
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| 04:19.56 | cat | done no luck |
| 04:20.20 | Supaplex | odd |
| 04:20.22 | cat | is when i put export declare -x OLDPWD="/home/cat/eggdrop" |
| 04:20.29 | cat | it shows me that but how can i changed it? |
| 04:21.04 | Supaplex | so you're exporting this? |
| 04:21.19 | cat | it was on my export i wonder why |
| 04:21.41 | Supaplex | have you installed an eggdrop? |
| 04:21.57 | caphuso | cat: why are you trying to mess with $OLDPWD? |
| 04:22.11 | Supaplex | nfc :P |
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| 04:22.24 | cat | caphuso: because is taking me to home/cat/eggdrop every time i open up a shell prompt |
| 04:22.26 | SDFH_Linux | so putting xorg will break my system? |
| 04:22.28 | hikenboot | hello all I have a [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) video card and a gateway Vx750/786n monior I got it working at 1024x768 but it flickers terribly anyone can point me to the proper settings for this monitor and video card? |
| 04:22.42 | Supaplex | cat: did you start x from that directory? |
| 04:22.50 | cat | yeah (:D |
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| 04:22.53 | Supaplex | I assume you mean xterm or the like |
| 04:22.54 | cat | no wonder |
| 04:22.54 | caphuso | duh |
| 04:22.57 | dystopian | later |
| 04:22.57 | hikenboot | by the way xdebconfigurator hangs |
| 04:23.01 | deadcat | mdh: i didnt dist-upgrade. just apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 04:23.25 | Supaplex | another satisified customer *smirk* |
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| 04:23.55 | caphuso | that has nothing to do with $OLDPWD |
| 04:23.58 | deadcat | hikenboot: theres dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:24.31 | Marble2 | Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 04:24.42 | Supaplex | cat, just fyi, OLDPWD and PWD are discussed in the bash (possibly other shells) man pages. |
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| 04:25.05 | GullyFoyle | hrmmm.....still cant boot testing cd...tried linux26, linux2.6, install, install linux26, still get cant find kernel image error and i d/led and burned the cd twice to make sure |
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| 04:25.49 | caphuso | hell, even ksh has $OLDPWD |
| 04:26.03 | Supaplex | no suprise :) |
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| 04:26.13 | caphuso | and it generally lacks anything that makes using it interactively easier |
| 04:26.28 | Supaplex | heh |
| 04:26.53 | simy | ok im having a little trouble with ndiswrapper, for some reason i cant modprobe it, so what would the likley causes be? or how can i find out etc? |
| 04:27.16 | caphuso | Supaplex: not worth the work |
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| 04:27.26 | Supaplex | if I had a dollar for every time ndiswrapper has problems... |
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| 04:27.42 | Varanger | hi all |
| 04:27.47 | simy | Supaplex : does that mean your not gona help? |
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| 04:28.01 | Varanger | is there any meta-package for installing ALSA in Debian? |
| 04:28.09 | Varanger | like x-window-system for X |
| 04:28.29 | Schiz0 | apt-cache search alsa |
| 04:28.35 | Supaplex | simy: when a supported card is a few bucks? I've never had that issue because I use supported cards :) sorry! |
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| 04:28.42 | GullyFoyle | has anyone successfully installed testing from cd? i get to the prompt but it complains that it cant kind kernel image when i try to boot |
| 04:28.48 | simy | for .11g? |
| 04:28.50 | caphuso | Varanger: you need alsa-base and kernel support |
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| 04:29.24 | simy | Supaplex : just tell me where to get a g card, and im there... |
| 04:29.30 | Varanger | caphuso: thx... is the official sarge kernel has support for ALSA enabled? |
| 04:29.32 | Varanger | do you know? |
| 04:29.37 | caphuso | Varanger: which one? |
| 04:29.42 | simy | Supaplex : trust me , ill be there at 9am waiting for the doors to open... |
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| 04:29.45 | simy | ive looked all over... |
| 04:29.56 | Supaplex | for supported linux .11g cards? |
| 04:30.10 | simy | yeah, tried best buy and circuit city... |
| 04:30.20 | Schiz0 | microcenter pwns |
| 04:30.26 | Supaplex | lemmie see if I have a bookmark for it. |
| 04:30.31 | simy | the little computer shops around me dont typically sell laptop acc's |
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| 04:30.56 | Azar | simy try newegg.com |
| 04:31.07 | simy | they list g combatable cards? |
| 04:31.09 | knighttemplar | hello |
| 04:31.10 | GullyFoyle | pc cards suck power tho, battery life shortens |
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| 04:31.24 | Azar | simy they might I never looked for one.. give it a try |
| 04:31.30 | KodeK | Anyone know why postfix takes so long to actually deliver my mail to my local mailbox? I checked syslog and it got the test message, but it doesnt show up on my mailbox. |
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| 04:32.16 | KodeK | And it's being delivered to /var/mail/<user> instead of ~/Maildir/ ! |
| 04:32.26 | Varanger | caphuso: this one: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 04:32.33 | caphuso | Varanger: it does |
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| 04:32.34 | knighttemplar | does debian support rpm packages? |
| 04:32.42 | caphuso | knighttemplar: not really |
| 04:32.42 | Supaplex | simy: I last got mine at justdeals.com, but it appears they no longer carry the model I purchased. I don't recall the model. I stashed it in storage (some box around here) when my lappie had issues... |
| 04:32.44 | Varanger | caphuso: thanks! |
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| 04:33.04 | caphuso | knighttemplar: you might get lucky with alien, but that's always messy and risky |
| 04:33.09 | knighttemplar | i was trying to install limewire but it only comes in RPM |
| 04:33.22 | cat | knighttemplar: used alien |
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| 04:33.25 | Supaplex | knighttemplar: yes and no. if it's an rpm, chances there's already a .deb otherwise alien is your best bet (painfull) |
| 04:33.25 | simy | Supaplex ok well im short on computer with webrowsers, so at the mooment i cant search again |
| 04:33.30 | knighttemplar | caphuso: oh ok, |
| 04:33.33 | simy | and unfortunatly i cant lookup help with ndiswrapper.... |
| 04:33.41 | [bono] | Question: I have a broken packaging system... Whem i do 'apt-get -f install', i get: "unable to create `./usr/sbin/update-pangox-aliases': Permission denied". Googling it yields no result... Any idea? |
| 04:33.57 | simy | i had this card working with ndiswrapper on another lapto (before the screen broke) and i just had to rebild it or somthing.... |
| 04:33.59 | knighttemplar | supaplex: why is it a pain in the ass or what? |
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| 04:34.05 | Supaplex | simy: there's a few text only www user agents. eg lynx. |
| 04:34.11 | SDFH_Linux | has anyone put xorg on there debian yet? |
| 04:34.13 | simy | lynx cool.... |
| 04:34.25 | cat | links the best |
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| 04:34.37 | Azar | links works better in Sarge |
| 04:34.46 | tvn | knighttemplar, eh get the 'other (OS/2 , Solaris, Linux) ' version of Limewire |
| 04:34.46 | cat | yeah, i love links |
| 04:34.50 | bobessutio | I have an offtopic question.... |
| 04:34.51 | Supaplex | knighttemplar: since rpm's aren't designed for debian, they're throwing caution to the wind. it's also lots of *cough* fun to hunt down the dependencies. |
| 04:34.54 | simy | lynx or links? |
| 04:35.00 | cat | links |
| 04:35.01 | Supaplex | simy: yup and yup |
| 04:35.10 | simy | whichis better? |
| 04:35.14 | Azar | simy links is better |
| 04:35.16 | bobessutio | how i count the number of samples in a wav file? |
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| 04:35.19 | knighttemplar | bono: did you try it as root? |
| 04:35.22 | cat | simy: try them |
| 04:35.23 | GullyFoyle | knighttemplar: limewire is a java app, you dont need a package to install it in my experience |
| 04:35.26 | Supaplex | links usualy, but I like the classics sometimes :) |
| 04:35.48 | tvn | knighttemplar: that version is simply a zip file which you can unzip and run on Debian |
| 04:35.49 | [bono] | knighttemplar: yes... apt-get only runs as root anyway... |
| 04:35.58 | SDFH_Linux | has anyone put xorg on there debian yet? |
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| 04:36.15 | knighttemplar | bono: yeah but normally you get the permission denied thing when you're not in root |
| 04:36.26 | Azar | SDFH_Linux only if I do not have what to do with my time |
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| 04:36.40 | [bono] | knighttemplar: i know. weird. |
| 04:36.40 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 04:36.55 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: If you're worried about putting unstable apps on your system then you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 04:37.02 | GullyFoyle | knighttemplar: i installed limewire to my home directory and it runs fine |
| 04:37.10 | SDFH_Linux | does it work though gravity? |
| 04:37.14 | knighttemplar | tvn: ok , i ll se it late , i didn't download it , but ill tell the guy to get that one , |
| 04:37.15 | Azar | SDFH_Linux that ment: if I am ready to reinstall ... |
| 04:37.23 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: For me, yes. |
| 04:37.23 | Supaplex | SDFH_Linux: and if you want to know when it'll be available, "when it's ready". |
| 04:37.23 | SDFH_Linux | i c |
| 04:37.41 | gravity | But the, I'm sort of biased |
| 04:37.56 | SDFH_Linux | biased? |
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| 04:38.07 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Yeah. I worked on the packages. |
| 04:38.07 | Supaplex | like a transistor |
| 04:38.15 | SDFH_Linux | i c |
| 04:38.19 | Supaplex | </bad pun> |
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| 04:38.36 | SDFH_Linux | i imagine i would have to recompile my nvidia driver if i put this on |
| 04:38.48 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: nvidia-glx is broken right now |
| 04:38.55 | gravity | So if you need 3d accel, don't install X.Org |
| 04:39.00 | knighttemplar | hey how can i install something with gnome , there's no super user file manager |
| 04:39.02 | gravity | God... I should just put something about that in my blog. |
| 04:39.08 | SDFH_Linux | its broken with xorg or just broken in general |
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| 04:39.19 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: The package needs to be rebuilt for X.Org |
| 04:39.28 | SDFH_Linux | ah so i shall wait then |
| 04:39.33 | KodeK | why is postfix sending mail to /var/mail/ when I told it to use ~/Maildir/ ? |
| 04:39.42 | SDFH_Linux | i am glad i asked that last question |
| 04:39.47 | SDFH_Linux | :) |
| 04:39.56 | SDFH_Linux | i was just about to take the plunge |
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| 04:40.03 | knighttemplar | someone i know downloaded mozilla , in a tarball and it came with an installer but it wouldnt work cause the folder which was the home folder was protected |
| 04:40.06 | SDFH_Linux | no repair for gaim yet? |
| 04:40.14 | Supaplex | KodeK: #postfix might be a better resource for that |
| 04:40.30 | knighttemplar | sdfh_linux : what's wrong with GAIM? |
| 04:40.41 | SDFH_Linux | i get an error trying to use it |
| 04:40.52 | Azar | SDFH_Linux like I said, if you got time in your hands you could give it a try then share with dev team your experience, but be ready for a reinstall if anything goes bad |
| 04:40.54 | Supaplex | must be an epidemic. not. :p |
| 04:41.12 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux: i'm using it right now and everything works fine , try updating it |
| 04:41.16 | litage | if the sticky bit is set, non-root and non-owners can't rename or delete the file, right? can they edit the file though? |
| 04:41.18 | SDFH_Linux | just did |
| 04:41.29 | SDFH_Linux | i get this error where can i paste so you guys can see |
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| 04:42.10 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 04:42.10 | jim | http://rafb.net/paste |
| 04:42.15 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:42.16 | jim | http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 04:43.40 | SDFH_Linux | ok its ther |
| 04:43.42 | SDFH_Linux | there |
| 04:43.50 | SDFH_Linux | pasted by SDFH_Linu |
| 04:43.56 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.58 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 04:44.01 | liable | isnt it something to do with libaspell? |
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| 04:44.28 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
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| 04:44.34 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux: weird , look for dependencied |
| 04:44.40 | knighttemplar | apt-cache gaim |
| 04:44.43 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
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| 04:45.06 | cheale1 | SDFH_Linux: I don't get it...you're asking when will sid be stable? |
| 04:45.25 | SDFH_Linux | apt-cache gaim gives me an invalid operation gaim |
| 04:45.35 | liable | gah |
| 04:45.37 | knighttemplar | wait let me see |
| 04:45.40 | cat | apt-cache search gaim |
| 04:45.43 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:45.50 | cheale1 | SDFH_Linux: Error incoherent release |
| 04:46.12 | knighttemplar | ok it's apt-cache depends gaim |
| 04:46.25 | knighttemplar | just use the man apt-cache :) |
| 04:46.44 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:46.49 | cat | where is a program source code? |
| 04:46.52 | [bono] | Question: What are the basic steps to do to fix a brokenb packaging system (after having tried apt-get -f install). Anyone? :-) |
| 04:46.52 | cat | on .folder? |
| 04:46.54 | cat | or somewhere |
| 04:46.56 | SDFH_Linux | what am i looking for |
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| 04:47.05 | knighttemplar | gaim |
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| 04:47.20 | grendal_prime | man im having a bitch of a time with regular expressions |
| 04:47.29 | tvn | SDFH_Linux: are you using a mixed Debian (i.e., stable and unstable ) ? |
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| 04:47.33 | SDFH_Linux | its says it depends on some and it suggests others |
| 04:47.36 | SDFH_Linux | yes tvn |
| 04:47.41 | cheale1 | SDFH_Linux: you're looking for a sarge reinstall |
| 04:47.43 | tvn | SDFH_Linux: well ... |
| 04:47.45 | knighttemplar | get 'em all |
| 04:47.55 | knighttemplar | that would probably work |
| 04:48.11 | SDFH_Linux | you mean get all the suggested and depended ones |
| 04:48.24 | tvn | SDFH_Linux: that's what happens when you use a mixed mode. |
| 04:49.06 | SDFH_Linux | ic |
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| 04:49.48 | knighttemplar | i apt-get gaim today . and i didn't have to download anything else , i just did it normally apt-get install GAIM |
| 04:50.00 | SDFH_Linux | are you running stable only or mixed? |
| 04:50.54 | knighttemplar | stable |
| 04:51.09 | SDFH_Linux | which version of gaim do you have? |
| 04:51.11 | Azar | Interesting read for those interested: "How packages are added to the Debian distribution" http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/181 |
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| 04:51.28 | knighttemplar | 1.2.1 |
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| 04:51.39 | SDFH_Linux | ok the latest is 1.4 |
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| 04:51.51 | SDFH_Linux | stable is 1.2.1 |
| 04:52.05 | shakparl | anyone have debian running on a dell dimension 9100 |
| 04:52.12 | SDFH_Linux | i think i am walking on a tight rope with mixed packages |
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| 04:52.22 | SDFH_Linux | like somone here said before |
| 04:52.30 | SDFH_Linux | another question guys |
| 04:52.33 | tvn | you're screwed :P |
| 04:52.40 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 04:52.54 | knighttemplar | then just get the tarball from gaim.sourceforge.com |
| 04:52.57 | Schiz0 | Gaim 2 is hot. |
| 04:52.58 | mo1991 | Can anyone help me with sound. Modprobe finds my opl3sa2 and during boot it says PNP card found and OK - once I install alsa though it doesn't detect this card even with alsaconf - this is an isa soundcard on a winbook xl - any help |
| 04:53.02 | Azar | SDFH_Linux enjoy while you can, one day they will die silently, that day you know you need to reinstall and start over |
| 04:53.12 | ticktoc | gnome is doing something very starnge. Finally tracked down error msg in xsession-errors. Something like "application <whatever> lost it's connection to the display 0:.0 most likely the x server ..yada..yada..yada.." Doesn't happen in Windowmaker.. Any Ideas? |
| 04:53.14 | Schiz0 | I compiled it via cvs just to see |
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| 04:53.17 | knighttemplar | .net* |
| 04:53.30 | knighttemplar | gaim.sourceforge.net |
| 04:53.41 | SDFH_Linux | another question i have always used netinstall but if i get the full cds of stable how many do i need to dl to get debian and say gnome or kde on there |
| 04:53.42 | ticktoc | sorry.. display :0.0 |
| 04:53.42 | litage | is the best way to get cups running so that i can use network printers to install these pkgs?: cupsys cupsys-client foomatic-db foomatic-bin |
| 04:53.55 | SDFH_Linux | hehe @ Azar |
| 04:53.56 | knighttemplar | mo1991: when did u download debian ? |
| 04:54.05 | liable | SDFH_Linux: 1, will give you gnome and kde. |
| 04:54.18 | SDFH_Linux | liable and that is all i will need to do a install? |
| 04:54.18 | mdh | shakparl: didn't you know, "Dell recommend Microsoft Gang-rape With A Knotted, Spiked Club" - says so on their website |
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| 04:54.28 | liable | SDFH_Linux: yes. |
| 04:54.31 | SDFH_Linux | anyone have a quick link to those |
| 04:54.37 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - using sarge 3.1r0 d/led a few days ago |
| 04:54.39 | shakparl | mdh: yah for that reason i'm getting debian running on it with this sweet 20" widescreen |
| 04:54.46 | mo1991 | Haven't been able to get his soudcard working no matter what |
| 04:54.55 | mo1991 | with any version of debian |
| 04:54.55 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux: you only need 1 cd to get KDE or Gnome |
| 04:55.04 | shakparl | mdh: unfortunately i only have net-inst sarge handy and it's not seeing the onboard nic dammit |
| 04:55.09 | knighttemplar | mo1991: what is your kernel version ? |
| 04:55.11 | SDFH_Linux | you guys have a link for that |
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| 04:55.33 | mdh | shakparl: unfortunately I haven't used anything newer than a 600m |
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| 04:55.59 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : link for whatr? |
| 04:56.05 | SDFH_Linux | nevermind i got it |
| 04:56.06 | mdh | shakparl: lspci -v and figure out what card it is, check in the kernel doco for what driver you need for that card |
| 04:56.15 | Azar | by the time I learn how to secure my box, I will forget all other installations, configurations and compiling of drivers and kernels but I have a solution: I change my nick and come back as a total noob and start over |
| 04:56.20 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux: links for what :)? |
| 04:56.23 | mo1991 | sarge 2.4 or 2.6 standard ones, neither can get sound - I've been fcking with this laptop for about a month now for sound |
| 04:56.27 | SDFH_Linux | dl for debian |
| 04:56.28 | SDFH_Linux | i got them |
| 04:56.32 | mdh | shakparl: umm.. unless its pcmcia of course in which case... umm.. dunno |
| 04:56.46 | tvn | shakparl: is it a broadcom nic ? |
| 04:56.51 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.53 | knighttemplar | mo1991: the new kernel has already the sound modules built-in |
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| 04:57.01 | ticktoc | mo1991: my tp 600E still has no modem or sound... been over a year now.. <g> |
| 04:57.01 | shakparl | tvn: i dunno i just popped in sarge net-inst and typed linux26 :D |
| 04:57.08 | liable | mo1991: old laptop eh? |
| 04:57.19 | ticktoc | yup.. old as the hills.. |
| 04:57.30 | mdh | shakparl: does "dmesg" say it detected a card of some sort? |
| 04:57.40 | knighttemplar | mo1991: do you have alsaconf? when you type it in terminal does it responds or says commands no found , if it works what does it says when configuring the card? |
| 04:57.49 | tvn | shakparl: check at linux laptop (google) to see what it is , I believe it's broadcom since it's quite popular on Dell's laptop . |
| 04:58.01 | mo1991 | liable yes, a 400 mhz winbook xl - it's a friends trying to get debian on it |
| 04:58.14 | SDFH_Linux | never done a debian install from a full cd is it faster than doing a netinstall of debian? |
| 04:58.19 | liable | ticktoc: isnt there support for the old 600 modems in the kernel? |
| 04:58.20 | Schiz0 | No. |
| 04:58.26 | Schiz0 | Netinst is the best, i'd say. |
| 04:58.27 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - alsaconf runs but says it finds no cards - even when i porbe for the isa cards |
| 04:58.36 | mo1991 | even though lsmod shows the opl3sa2 |
| 04:58.39 | Schiz0 | Most updated, you don't have to download 446542341 gig ISO's... |
| 04:58.42 | ticktoc | yup but never seems to compile right.. |
| 04:58.43 | knighttemplar | where do you get debian sarge ? |
| 04:58.52 | mdh | Supaplex: you need to pipe it through festival :P |
| 04:59.01 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - opl3a2 only started being found once I added it to /etc/modules |
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| 04:59.12 | Supaplex | mdh: OHHhh ok. :) |
| 04:59.22 | Schiz0 | knighttemplar- http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 04:59.25 | shakparl | yah i've been looking |
| 04:59.29 | mdh | shakparl: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html |
| 04:59.46 | liable | mo1991: whats lspci say about it? |
| 04:59.47 | mdh | shakparl: http://shinzui.org/space/Dell+Inspiron+9100+on+Linux |
| 04:59.53 | ticktoc | so.. no takers on my problem with applications losing connection to display :0.0 for no apparent reason? :-( |
| 05:00.03 | mdh | !fgi shakparl debian+dell+9100 |
| 05:00.05 | dpkg | shakparl: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+dell+9100 |
| 05:00.15 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : i reinstalled debian twice today , i couldnt sleep i finished at 7 am , download the first cd and the 6th one , i didn't now they worked backwards so i had to download em from the ftp site and it took like 4 hours to get complete , |
| 05:00.16 | shakparl | mdh: is not laptop; i've gotten sarge working on a dell inspiron 2500; this is a dimension desktop |
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| 05:00.28 | mo1991 | liable - doesn't show it there - this is an isa soundcard |
| 05:00.40 | shakparl | mdh: i get "Device i823650 does not have a release() function, it is broken and must..." |
| 05:00.41 | liable | duh me :P |
| 05:00.44 | SDFH_Linux | i need the sixth one too? |
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| 05:01.09 | mdh | shakparl: ah. yeah. you might need a newer kernel than the one on the sarge inst cd :( |
| 05:01.20 | shakparl | mdh: yah :( |
| 05:01.33 | mdh | shakparl: there's been changelog entries in the l-k git archive wrt. dell stuff |
| 05:01.34 | shakparl | does sid have a net-inst |
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| 05:01.51 | shakparl | mdh: ok let me dig around in those thx for info |
| 05:01.57 | mdh | shakparl: no, and it doesn't really have a new-enough kernel either |
| 05:02.27 | knighttemplar | yes the first one install the basic which is nothing just the core and the sixth one is for the common packages , servers , stuff , i wouild recommend downloading 5 and 6 , or if you have time get them from FTP , but it will take a shitload of time |
| 05:02.46 | liable | knighttemplar: bullshit. |
| 05:02.58 | liable | knighttemplar: iso1 has both gnome and kde on it. |
| 05:03.03 | tvn | shakparl: if the nic is really not supported by kernel 2.6 , it's better to just buy & install in another pci nic :) |
| 05:03.03 | knighttemplar | mo1991: are you sure the sound modules are there ? |
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| 05:03.20 | shakparl | tvn: yes i'm starting to think that.. maybe i get gigabit nic anyway |
| 05:03.34 | knighttemplar | it didn't liable : it didn't work for me then , i downloaded all from the FTP sites |
| 05:03.55 | liable | knighttemplar: you probably had the net-install cd. |
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| 05:04.20 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - what do you mean am I sure ?? I only know that when I modprobe opl3sa2 it works and shows it in lsmod |
| 05:04.25 | knighttemplar | liable: i only had 4 cd's so i couldn't try the others cd's but someone told me they worked that way , and i saw it in a how to site , |
| 05:04.29 | mo1991 | I think that means that the modules are there |
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| 05:05.06 | knighttemplar | mo1991: do alsaconf and tell what weird messages it comes up with |
| 05:05.15 | da_bon_bon | hi all... anyone from india here ? |
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| 05:06.12 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - alsaconf runs alsaconf program as it should - finds no pci - then asks to probe for isa - I do and it finds nothing there either |
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| 05:06.30 | CiRkiT | hi im trying to install xchat by compiling but i get no glib found |
| 05:06.36 | da_bon_bon | mo1991: the proper module for you card is loaded ? |
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| 05:06.43 | CiRkiT | i tried apt-get install glib but that didnt work |
| 05:06.55 | Supaplex | CiRkiT: why not install chat via aptitude or apt-get? |
| 05:06.59 | knighttemplar | mo1991: then i don't know how to help you , if it doesn't find the device i don't knnow what to say , search for drivers maybe |
| 05:07.26 | mdh | CiRkiT: try apt-cache search glib first, "glib" isn't a correct package name |
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| 05:07.41 | knighttemplar | liable: i got them from here http://debian.midco.net/pub/iso/ |
| 05:07.41 | mo1991 | da_bon_bon - I am not sure it is the proper modules for alsa, but it does find a opl3sa2 and list it in lsmod - this is the soundcard that is supposed to be in this laptop too |
| 05:07.42 | mdh | CiRkiT: xchat is available in debian anyway, just apt-get install xchat |
| 05:08.03 | tvn | CiRkiT: it's asking for the the development headers etc of glib .... |
| 05:08.06 | quittt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.14 | CiRkiT | how do i get the development headers? |
| 05:08.20 | CiRkiT | apt-get ??? |
| 05:08.23 | CiRkiT | whats the word |
| 05:08.24 | tvn | apt-cache search glib dev |
| 05:08.36 | knighttemplar | mo1991: if it finds them , then it is the kernel try gettin the 2.6 one |
| 05:08.48 | liable | mo1991: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=977&sort=8&cat=530&page=1 first hit from google. |
| 05:08.50 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - how about getting it to work just with oss in the 2.4 kernel - I can't seem to do that either - even though it is listed |
| 05:09.09 | mdh | CiRkiT: you could also apt-get build-depends xchat |
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| 05:09.53 | Supaplex | that's if he's still going to compile xchat. |
| 05:09.54 | Azar | aw someone is planning the removal of the Non-Free Documentation in debian? |
| 05:09.57 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - I was using the 2.6 kernel - thats the one that alsaconf doesn't find anything. I would be happy even to have oss in the 2.4 kernel but that doesn't seem to work either |
| 05:09.57 | Azar | why? |
| 05:10.00 | knighttemplar | mo1991: i don't think that would work , i'm telling you it is probably the kernel |
| 05:10.10 | knighttemplar | the modules cannot be compiled |
| 05:10.19 | mdh | Azar: Debian likes non-free like SCO like Linux |
| 05:10.38 | Supaplex | that want to pwn it? ;) |
| 05:10.48 | Azar | mdh I see... though there will create a limitation wouldn't it? |
| 05:10.55 | Guerin | Azar: there's lots of discussion of this on debian-legal mailing list |
| 05:11.16 | caphuso | there's no discussion |
| 05:11.16 | Azar | Guerin, mdh, I can feel there is some unrest behind the scenes |
| 05:11.19 | caphuso | lame ranting |
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| 05:11.58 | Azar | some contributors not replying to emails, something odd going on behind the latest security updates ... |
| 05:12.03 | rixth | Well, having moved away from Gnome, now using Openbox, I ned a decent panel, fbpanel is alright, but not quite what I'm looking for,. |
| 05:12.10 | mdh | caphuso: lawyers might take offense to that summary ;) |
| 05:12.16 | Guerin | Azar: omgconspiracy |
| 05:12.18 | caphuso | mdh: huh? |
| 05:12.25 | Azar | :) |
| 05:12.27 | knighttemplar | mo1991: apt-get install kernel-2.6 and it will list the kernel packages , download that you wan |
| 05:12.30 | mdh | caphuso: that what they do is "lame ranting" ;) |
| 05:12.31 | Guerin | panels are a waste of time |
| 05:12.52 | caphuso | mdh: i was refering to the debian discussions on the debian mailing lists |
| 05:12.59 | tvn | rixth: icewm has a panel |
| 05:13.01 | Azar | some nice toolbars would help a bit with Openbox, thing is I never figured out how to get some |
| 05:13.07 | Guerin | nope |
| 05:13.17 | rixth | tvn, I'm happy with Openbox as a wm though. |
| 05:13.29 | Guerin | all you need in openbox is available from the right-click menu, which you can bind to any keystroke you like |
| 05:13.33 | caphuso | i'd never say that lawyers would be "lame ranting"... well, unless i'm reasonably sure that none of those scumbags is listening |
| 05:13.42 | Azar | I like Openbox but after a while I get tired to browse that Start menu |
| 05:13.51 | michal_ | what does overwriting a directory with mv actually mean |
| 05:13.52 | michal_ | ? |
| 05:13.53 | rixth | Guerin, yeah but you need a taskbar and the like |
| 05:14.00 | Guerin | rixth: why? |
| 05:14.02 | SDFH_Linux | anyone good with home routers |
| 05:14.18 | Azar | Guerin, shortcut icons or a taskbar gets one to the application faster |
| 05:14.24 | michal_ | on a mac overwriting a full directory with an empty one will result in an empty directory |
| 05:14.26 | rixth | Guerin, easy switching between windows/programs |
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| 05:14.29 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : what prob do u have with your router? |
| 05:14.39 | Guerin | Azar: not if you open your programs from a shell... |
| 05:14.41 | SDFH_Linux | trying to reach my other computer on my home network using ssh |
| 05:14.43 | SDFH_Linux | and i cant |
| 05:14.44 | Guerin | rixth: alt-tab |
| 05:14.44 | michal_ | under windows it will add the files and overwrite existing ones |
| 05:14.49 | michal_ | which is it under linux? |
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| 05:15.01 | Guerin | michal_: suck and see |
| 05:15.23 | SDFH_Linux | how i use this port forwarding or port triggering thing |
| 05:15.38 | caphuso | michal_: "mv foo bar" (with bar being a directory) will move foo into bar, no matter waht |
| 05:15.42 | caphuso | s/waht/what/ |
| 05:15.50 | dserban | in udev... if i do a MAKEDEV in /dev/.static...does that mean it's there immediately on boot? |
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| 05:16.15 | michal_ | caphuso: how what about move Maildir /home/user/ where there is already a maildir inthe usrs home directory? |
| 05:16.22 | knighttemplar | SDH_linux: is it a linkys , if so go to port forwarding and put Upnp and then just forawrd the port to the ip |
| 05:16.29 | michal_ | caphuso: with files already in it |
| 05:16.31 | da_bon_bon | man! |
| 05:16.39 | da_bon_bon | sids gonna be updated! |
| 05:16.54 | SDFH_Linux | its a netgear |
| 05:16.56 | mdh | da_bon_bon: I hope so, since its currently borked |
| 05:17.03 | Azar | da_bon_bon, right and you look like the right candidate for xorg go get it |
| 05:17.07 | caphuso | michal_: mkdir /tmp/testdir; cd /tmp/testdir; mkdir -p Maildir foo foo/Maildir; mv Maildir foo |
| 05:17.09 | mo1991 | knighttemplar - I have already installed this kernel - it doesn't work - that what I'm trying to tell you |
| 05:17.13 | da_bon_bon | mdh: why so ? |
| 05:17.18 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : they all work the same way |
| 05:17.26 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:17.30 | SDFH_Linux | let me try |
| 05:17.41 | knighttemplar | mo1991: go to the debian site or google what hardware debian supports |
| 05:17.46 | michal_ | caphuso: but that won't take into account a hierarchy of files and directories underneath :/ |
| 05:17.50 | mdh | da_bon_bon: gcc 4.0 transition, xorg transition, ... |
| 05:18.03 | knighttemplar | it just weird that it detects it but doesn't work |
| 05:18.07 | da_bon_bon | mdh: thats GREAT! |
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| 05:18.28 | Azar | GCC 4.0 is now the default compiler in unstable |
| 05:18.36 | mdh | da_bon_bon: it'll be great for etch when its all complete... right now its bad for sid |
| 05:18.46 | SDFH_Linux | what port does ssh use? |
| 05:18.49 | gravity | Meh, welcome to unstable :-) |
| 05:18.49 | knighttemplar | 22 |
| 05:18.53 | Schiz0 | SDFH_Linux- 22 |
| 05:18.54 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: the one you configure it to |
| 05:18.54 | caphuso | SDFH_Linux: grep ssh /etc/services |
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| 05:19.03 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:19.08 | knighttemplar | 22 by default |
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| 05:19.32 | SDFH_Linux | si put the server ip is the computer i am trying to reach? |
| 05:19.49 | michal_ | hmm.. doesn't matter.. directories cannot be overwritten under linux even with force enabled |
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| 05:20.39 | empty | Is MSA just SMTP on a different port? |
| 05:20.47 | mdh | michal_: the fun thing with maildirs is, all the files are unique. so just copy them from the old to the new, and remove the old |
| 05:20.49 | knighttemplar | SFDH_linux: yes |
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| 05:21.13 | xwing | hi |
| 05:21.15 | SDFH_Linux | hm still doesnt work |
| 05:21.37 | knighttemplar | make sure you have the services running |
| 05:21.52 | xwing | has more scanners been made working yet |
| 05:22.04 | ValheruLord | hi all. i am using dpkg-reconfigure with a gui frontend. but it says root has no X right. How can i give this right to him |
| 05:22.08 | michal_ | mdh: just not sure what the "right" way to copy directory hierarchies over the top of identcal directory hierarchies is |
| 05:22.14 | knighttemplar | if you are running apache , tru opening port 80 to test if it really forwarding the port |
| 05:22.18 | caphuso | ValheruLord: /msg dpkg runstuffasroot |
| 05:22.34 | ValheruLord | caphuso |
| 05:22.37 | caphuso | ValheruLord |
| 05:22.38 | ValheruLord | caphuso: ok thnaks |
| 05:22.39 | SDFH_Linux | i am not running apache |
| 05:22.47 | mdh | michal_: if you want to lose the non-unique contents of the destination, use tar |
| 05:23.12 | Azar | I wonder why again I am not getting updates: question here: I only get updates on packages my system uses, for example: if I am not having X server installed I will not get updates for those packages? |
| 05:23.30 | caphuso | Azar: of course not |
| 05:23.32 | KodeK | I get this in my postfix logs: Jul 12 14:19:54 localhost postfix/smtp[3163]: warning: smtp_sasl_auth_enable is true, but SASL support is not compiled in |
| 05:23.36 | mdh | michal_: eg cd dir && tar cf - . | (cd /newdir && tar xf -) |
| 05:23.37 | KodeK | I'm using the latest version from deb stable |
| 05:23.43 | KodeK | How can I change it? |
| 05:23.56 | Azar | caphuso thanks , well that makes sense, since I have nothing but the base system, I will get nothing |
| 05:24.03 | michal_ | mdh: so you can'tt do what windows users do? just move one over the top of the other to merge them? |
| 05:24.05 | caphuso | KodeK: install postfix-tls |
| 05:24.05 | Azar | :) |
| 05:24.11 | KodeK | caphuso, ty |
| 05:24.23 | caphuso | michal_: of course you can, in about 200 different ways |
| 05:24.27 | mdh | michal_: that doesn't merge in windows either, it overwrites |
| 05:24.32 | da_bon_bon | mdh: you on sid ? |
| 05:24.38 | michal_ | mdh: no it merges.. i do it hunders of times a day :P |
| 05:24.43 | streuner | KodeK: and googlef for SMTP HOWTO |
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| 05:25.05 | mdh | michal_: you may be defining "merge" differently |
| 05:25.09 | michal_ | mdh: by merge if both had identical FILES it would overwrite.. but you can't overwrite an actual directory in widnows |
| 05:25.17 | michal_ | mdh: like you can on a mac for example |
| 05:25.34 | Azar | I wonder if the last security update, on which I saw zlib package removed my zlib since now it does not look being around anymore |
| 05:25.42 | mdh | by your definition of merge, the tar example does what you want |
| 05:25.48 | michal_ | mdh: on a mac if you move or copy an empty directory over a full one you will have an empty directory as a result.. as if you had deleted the entire contents |
| 05:25.58 | knighttemplar | hey anybody has the xlightvncviewer package? |
| 05:26.11 | mdh | michal_: glad I don't use a mac then ;) |
| 05:26.25 | mdh | da_bon_bon: yes |
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| 05:26.25 | SDFH_Linux | no workie knighttemplar |
| 05:26.40 | knighttemplar | hmmm let me see wait up |
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| 05:26.48 | da_bon_bon | mdh: then its already broken for you ? |
| 05:26.50 | glick | hey, how is NVU? |
| 05:26.55 | glick | anyone here use NVU? |
| 05:27.03 | mdh | da_bon_bon: basically, yes. if I quit this X session its console time for me |
| 05:27.06 | tvn | glick: yeh I do ... for creating quick html |
| 05:27.14 | michal_ | mdh: the reason it does that is "bundles" ie an app is actually a directory.. but as far as the gui is concerned it's just one file (you can show the contents if you wish or treat it just like a directory via the terminal) |
| 05:27.21 | da_bon_bon | mdh: hehe, why ? |
| 05:27.30 | michal_ | mdh: and that's a VERY cool feature because it lets apps be self contained |
| 05:27.36 | glick | tvn, but not good for large pages? |
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| 05:27.42 | mdh | michal_: I understand forks in hfs filesystems |
| 05:27.59 | mdh | da_bon_bon: because its borked, that's why |
| 05:28.00 | michal_ | mdh: this isn't like forks though |
| 05:28.03 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : are u doing the UPnP forwarding or just simple portforwarding? |
| 05:28.07 | tvn | glick: I didn't use it for large/professional pages so can't tell. |
| 05:28.33 | da_bon_bon | mdh: oh. .whats the exact problem ? |
| 05:28.39 | KodeK | One step closer: (Authentication failed: cannot SASL authenticate to server smtp.sbc.mail.yahoo4.akadns.net[68.142.198.11]: no mechanism available) |
| 05:28.40 | mdh | michal_: oh, you mean in MacOSX where it has something similar to a java .jar |
| 05:28.47 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : btw how are you tryinh to connect using the external ip or the internal one ? |
| 05:28.53 | SDFH_Linux | internal one |
| 05:29.01 | SDFH_Linux | i got it on tc/udp |
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| 05:29.10 | knighttemplar | it's on UPnP |
| 05:29.22 | SDFH_Linux | i dont have that choice |
| 05:29.23 | mdh | da_bon_bon: dependencies. some libs haven't been updated for the gcc 4.0 transition, namely aspell in particular which busts a bunch of stuff |
| 05:29.29 | liable | mo1991: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=opl3sa2 |
| 05:29.34 | da_bon_bon | oh ok, mdh |
| 05:29.46 | SDFH_Linux | all i got is tcp or udp or both at same time |
| 05:29.48 | liable | mo1991: it all seems to do with mdules.conf |
| 05:29.53 | mdh | da_bon_bon: then xorg breaks dependencies on libglu, meaning half the X11 apps want to be removed |
| 05:30.00 | knighttemplar | oh it is TCP |
| 05:30.12 | da_bon_bon | lol, mdh |
| 05:30.15 | SDFH_Linux | so use tcp |
| 05:30.18 | da_bon_bon | enjoy the ride |
| 05:30.18 | da_bon_bon | :D |
| 05:31.08 | SDFH_Linux | starting port 22 ending port 22 |
| 05:31.51 | SDFH_Linux | still nothing |
| 05:31.59 | liable | SDFH_Linux: can you ping the machine? |
| 05:32.01 | knighttemplar | look if you wanna do it internally you don't need to configure your router , the router configurations is for external requests only |
| 05:32.31 | knighttemplar | so you don't need to change your router |
| 05:32.34 | SDFH_Linux | yes liable i can ping that machine |
| 05:32.41 | knighttemplar | check the hosts.allow file in the etc folder |
| 05:32.50 | knighttemplar | to see if you are allowing , remote connections |
| 05:32.53 | SDFH_Linux | where that file at |
| 05:32.55 | liable | SDFH_Linux: is sshd running on it? |
| 05:33.03 | tvn | SDFH_Linux: nmap that machine and see if ssh running on it |
| 05:33.18 | knighttemplar | m /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 05:33.24 | SDFH_Linux | k let me look |
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| 05:33.39 | Varanger | hi all |
| 05:34.00 | knighttemplar | try using the telnet-ssl localhost , because probably the pc with the server might not be running the service |
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| 05:34.40 | mdh | da_bon_bon: huge breakage like this doesn't tend to last long |
| 05:35.14 | da_bon_bon | mdh: thanks to debians excellent relase and package team :) |
| 05:35.17 | Varanger | I am editing by hand my sources.list and when I run apt-get update, I get that this line is wrong: deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib |
| 05:35.23 | Varanger | where is the error? |
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| 05:35.26 | valdyn | an- |
| 05:35.40 | SDFH_Linux | ok what i put in host.allow and deny? |
| 05:35.46 | mwilson | Varanger: Since when has unstable had security updates? |
| 05:35.48 | mdh | Varanger: sid doesn't have security updates |
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| 05:36.21 | Varanger | mwilson: I don't know I am editing my sources.list and changing testing for sid everywhere |
| 05:36.35 | mdh | testing doesn't have them either |
| 05:36.38 | knighttemplar | there must be something like ALLOW: all@all |
| 05:36.45 | knighttemplar | or something like that , just read the file |
| 05:36.52 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 05:36.55 | knighttemplar | and see if everything seems properly |
| 05:37.12 | mwilson | Varanger: Since testing doesn't have security updates either, exactly what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 05:37.14 | mdh | knighttemplar: in /etc/hosts.allow its ALL: ALL |
| 05:37.15 | knighttemplar | cause if that's the season probably it gots to do with the service |
| 05:37.26 | Azar | hmm there are issues with licensing XFree86... |
| 05:37.41 | Varanger | mwilson: I want a sources.list for installing sid |
| 05:37.54 | mdh | Azar: XFree86 went non-free about 2 years or so ago |
| 05:37.56 | Varanger | mwilson: standard sid... nothing else |
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| 05:38.17 | Varanger | Azar: that's why other distros are migrating to xorg |
| 05:38.18 | mwilson | Varanger: We all want something. |
| 05:38.22 | ValheruLord | i saw xorg at incoming ? when is it coming |
| 05:38.31 | caphuso | ValheruLord: yesterday |
| 05:38.32 | maher | ValheruLord: its here |
| 05:38.35 | mdh | ValheruLord: yesterday... in unstable |
| 05:38.36 | mwilson | Varanger: But I *never* help people put unstable on their machines. |
| 05:39.07 | Varanger | mwilson: thx anyways |
| 05:39.16 | mwilson | mdh: Went non-GPL. Whether or not it's still a free license is open to debate. |
| 05:39.18 | streuner | !info xserver-xorg |
| 05:39.19 | SDFH_Linux | i put ALL:ALL and still nothing |
| 05:39.20 | Azar | I thought XFree86 was OS |
| 05:39.24 | mo1991 | liable - the command on that page modprobe snd-opl3sa2 says no such device |
| 05:39.29 | Varanger | !info xserver-xorg |
| 05:39.38 | Varanger | !info alsa-base |
| 05:39.40 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 05:39.41 | knighttemplar | no dude don |
| 05:39.49 | knighttemplar | DON't modify the file |
| 05:39.54 | Azar | wasn't open source? what is going on, OS software going proprietary? |
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| 05:40.10 | Wyzard | Azar: XFree86 is not an OS |
| 05:40.11 | caphuso | Azar: it's not proprietary. it's just GPL incompatible |
| 05:40.19 | ValheruLord | mdh: then lets apt-get dist upgrade :) |
| 05:40.20 | knighttemplar | noprmally it is configured properly by default and there's no need to configure it unless you knowwhat ur doing |
| 05:40.23 | Azar | Wyzard: OS == open source |
| 05:40.27 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:40.39 | Azar | thanks for the heads up caphuso |
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| 05:40.40 | knighttemplar | as i said is probablyu the daemon , are you sure you are running it ? |
| 05:40.52 | liable | mo1991: eh? one sec |
| 05:40.56 | Azar | I am just reading some inside commentary at Debian |
| 05:41.02 | SDFH_Linux | let me check again |
| 05:41.05 | Wyzard | Varanger: Why are you switching to sid? |
| 05:41.44 | knighttemplar | alt+esc to see the running processes not sure in debian * |
| 05:41.45 | liable | mo1991: what one were you modprobing that worked? |
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| 05:42.37 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to change the hotkeys for fluxbox? I've edited before but I forgot what it was.. |
| 05:42.37 | mdh | mwilson: XFree86 was never GPL. It went non-dfsg-free is what I think you meant to say |
| 05:42.39 | mo1991 | opl3sa2 - this is not an alsa module I don't think just an oss one??? Not really sure |
| 05:42.43 | Varanger | Wyzard: I've always used sid but recently moved to ubuntu ... but stupid I am that I lost my original sources.list (that's why I can't switch back to sid) |
| 05:42.54 | mo1991 | liable oplsa3 rather than snd-opl3sa2 |
| 05:43.01 | liable | mo1991: yes, if it hasnt got snd- in front, its oss. |
| 05:43.07 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: you need to restart the service when you alter /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} |
| 05:43.14 | Wyzard | Varanger: If you've always used sid, you should already be aware that it doesn't have support from the security team |
| 05:43.23 | SDFH_Linux | how i do that mdh |
| 05:43.23 | mwilson | mdh: No, I meant to say "non-GPL-compatible" but figured you'd know what I meant. My mistake. |
| 05:43.29 | SDFH_Linux | is there a coomand |
| 05:43.31 | mo1991 | liable - I can't even get this to work with oss - I would be happy just with that - any ideas? |
| 05:43.34 | Schiz0 | TwistedEmotions- try joining #fluxbox? |
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| 05:43.47 | Varanger | Wyzard: ok! then I only need two lines: one for the packages and the other for the sources |
| 05:43.49 | Wyzard | Varanger: It's not too hard to modify a sources.list though... looks like you have it right, except for trying to use a source that doesn't exist |
| 05:43.54 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : /etc/init.d/ssh/ restart |
| 05:43.57 | liable | mo1991: what about that first link I gave you. that was for oss. |
| 05:44.01 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:44.06 | knighttemplar | withouth the last slash |
| 05:44.09 | daedalus_ | SDFH_linux : /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 05:44.20 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 05:44.27 | mo1991 | liable, can you give me that agian? btw - can I use oss with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:44.37 | Schiz0 | SDFH_Linux : /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 05:44.50 | streuner | mo1991: sure |
| 05:44.54 | Wyzard | Varanger: sid is currently in the middle of a transition from GCC 3.3 to 4.0 and from XFree86 to X.org, btw, so there's some significant brokenness right now |
| 05:45.12 | SDFH_Linux | i put ALL:ALL and restarted the service still nothing |
| 05:45.18 | liable | mo1991: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=977&sort=8&cat=530&page=1 |
| 05:45.37 | mdh | mwilson: I got that. Just wanted to correct the statement in-channel in case someone else got confused ;) |
| 05:45.40 | knighttemplar | hmmm let me see mine wait up |
| 05:45.47 | mo1991 | streuner - what do I need to do in order to make oss work if the modules opl3sa2 is already loaded? Shouldn't it just work? This is an isa card |
| 05:45.51 | rob_lt | liable, apt-get install alsautils alsa-oss && alsaconf |
| 05:45.57 | liable | mo1991: I have that module in a 2.6.7 kernel |
| 05:46.00 | TwistedEmotions | anyone know how to get ls to show hidden folders? |
| 05:46.03 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linuxL try googling about configuring the system |
| 05:46.05 | Varanger | Wyzard: I've had some brokenness in the past... besides I am returning to Debian because it is changing to xorg (mi video card doesn't support xfree86 4.3.0) |
| 05:46.08 | rob_lt | TwistedEmotions, ls -la |
| 05:46.08 | liable | rob_lt: ?? |
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| 05:46.09 | Schiz0 | TwistedEmotions- ls -a |
| 05:46.14 | TwistedEmotions | thanks\ |
| 05:46.25 | mo1991 | liable - which module? what do you mean |
| 05:46.47 | liable | mo1991: snd-opl3sa2 |
| 05:46.49 | streuner | mo1991: did you try 'alsaconf'? |
| 05:46.58 | liable | mo1991: modprobe that. |
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| 05:47.10 | rob_lt | liable, snd* are alsa modules |
| 05:47.15 | mdh | Varanger: you could always run Ubuntu ... |
| 05:47.18 | mo1991 | liable modprobe snd-opl3sa2 doesn't work says no device |
| 05:47.23 | liable | rob_lt: thankyou, I know |
| 05:47.48 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux: the allow: allow should work that is just weird |
| 05:47.50 | mo1991 | streuner alsaconf find nothing - just like modprobe snd-opl3sa2 finds nothing/ |
| 05:48.01 | streuner | mdh: what version of debian do you run actually? |
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| 05:48.08 | quittt | is there a way to check the integrity of FAT32 partitions? |
| 05:48.08 | mo1991 | do I need to pass irq and such options to the snd-opl3sa2 driver? |
| 05:48.09 | liable | mo1991: hmm, did the sound card work with windows? |
| 05:48.18 | mdh | streuner: sid :) |
| 05:48.20 | streuner | mo1991: hm, sorry |
| 05:48.22 | rhalff | hey I have problems running a new kernel, It fails to read the root filesystem or something like that, all my other kernels have an initrd image, but the prebuild 2.6.11 something doesn't, how do I fix this ? |
| 05:48.29 | mo1991 | liable - never tried - my friends comp - he said it did though |
| 05:48.32 | Varanger | mdh: Ubuntu is great, but I think it is for sissies.... :) |
| 05:48.36 | Azar | wow new-license-sanitized that sounds drastic |
| 05:48.57 | streuner | mdh: :-) |
| 05:49.01 | liable | mo1991: so lsmod shows, soundcore etc, with the oss module? |
| 05:49.09 | knighttemplar | sdfh_linux , you could try reinstalling SSH , but then again it might not work , but it might |
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| 05:49.46 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : did you try the telnet 22 localhost ? to see if it was working ? |
| 05:49.50 | mdh | streuner: well, I have a bunch of servers (10+) now running sarge, my workstation running sid, my primary home pc also running sid, and the other runs ubuntu hoary |
| 05:49.53 | maher | what is a good collaborative drawing program - ie me and my friends can daw on a common picture over the net |
| 05:50.07 | pablum | mwilson, is it the NVIDIA stuff, the declaration of patented interfaces (sheesh!) in the list of "other licenses"? |
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| 05:50.28 | mo1991 | liable - yes |
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| 05:50.40 | tvn | maher: my friend did something similar for his master project, with lots more advanced feature ... but it's closed source :P |
| 05:50.47 | liable | mo1991: and pc-speaker? |
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| 05:51.09 | mo1991 | liable - not sure about that - can't move sound volume control in gnome though |
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| 05:51.19 | maher | tvn: there are a bunch of web companies selling such things - i would prefer to use something open source... |
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| 05:51.39 | liable | mo1991: look in lsmod for ot. |
| 05:51.41 | liable | it |
| 05:51.43 | SDFH_Linux | let me try that |
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| 05:52.18 | mo1991 | liable on the first webpage you sent http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=977&sort=8&cat=530&page=1 - what does the io= part do - this is different than my bios - also, why are there 2 entries? |
| 05:52.21 | SDFH_Linux | its says coul not resolve 22/etc |
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| 05:52.43 | caphuso | SDFH_Linux: telnet localhost 22 |
| 05:52.54 | rob_lt | rhalff, where did you get this 2.6.11 package? Debian kernels use an initrd, and one is created in /boot when the .deb is installed. |
| 05:52.56 | Varanger | anyone here using the snd-hda-intel module? |
| 05:53.06 | tvn | SDFH_Linux: is that machine you're trying to connect to running Debian ? I know Redhat/Fedora has firewall running by default and block it |
| 05:53.17 | SDFH_Linux | its running debian |
| 05:53.38 | SDFH_Linux | i am trying the telnet localhost 22 and its sayst trying ... |
| 05:53.42 | SDFH_Linux | and nothing yet |
| 05:54.18 | mo1991 | liable - no pc-speaker in lsmod |
| 05:54.38 | rhalff | rob_lt, maybe I tried the 2.6.12 package, I think I did, but tried it at home now I will try it overhere at work, but thought maybe someone knew where the initrd went :) |
| 05:54.42 | caphuso | SDFH_Linux: you firewalled localhost? |
| 05:54.49 | SDFH_Linux | nope |
| 05:55.09 | SDFH_Linux | other than the firewall built into the router |
| 05:55.20 | caphuso | SDFH_Linux: can you ping localhost? |
| 05:55.22 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux: router gots nothing to do with it |
| 05:55.25 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 05:55.29 | SDFH_Linux | i can ping the other computer |
| 05:55.32 | ttick | Which file contains my WIFI settings, like encryption password and such? |
| 05:55.37 | liable | mo1991: I dont know about what those options actually do. Never had to worry about it. I would just try adding what it says and trying it. What do you mean, different to your bios. |
| 05:55.39 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: now check dmesg and see if iptables is whinging, else check /var/log/daemon.log and see if sshd is whing about hosts.allow etc |
| 05:55.50 | rob_lt | rhalff, as far as I know, the most current kernel, even in unstable, is still a 2.6.11 kernel (for i386 anyway) |
| 05:55.52 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:55.57 | liable | mo1991: try modprobe pcspeaker |
| 05:56.01 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linuxL there are 2 options , the SSH isnot configured to any port , or you are using a firewall and you don;t know about it |
| 05:56.12 | caphuso | mo1991: it's pcspkr |
| 05:56.23 | mdh | knighttemplar: no, if telnet hangs on connecting to that port sshd is listening, it sounds like a firewalling problem |
| 05:56.32 | mo1991 | liable audio io in my bios is 220 leams to be 0x370 or 388 in shown config |
| 05:56.40 | rixth | Looking for a nice file manager, similar to Nautilus with things like thumbnails for images and the like. |
| 05:56.42 | mdh | well, *something* is listening on that port, otherwise you'd get a different error |
| 05:56.55 | mdh | (connection refused) |
| 05:57.07 | rhalff | rob_lt, ok maybe the image was from an external source then, which explains why it could fail, thanks. |
| 05:57.08 | caphuso | SDFH_Linux: did you catch the IP ping thinks localhost is using? |
| 05:57.13 | Varanger | thx to anyone |
| 05:57.14 | Varanger | bye |
| 05:57.26 | knighttemplar | mdh: it isn't saying anything when connecting |
| 05:57.29 | rob_lt | rhalff, I'm using the latest 2.6.11 kernel from testing, which is the same one that is in unstable as far as I know. It is a bit weird that a dpkg -S shows no owner for any of the initrds I have in /boot, but I can assure you there is an initrd.img-2.6.11-1-686 in /boot here. |
| 05:57.31 | exobyte | I installed debian on a system, then a serial port redirector, but it wasn't redirected correctly and a dialout failed. I did it successfully with vmware and a virtual port on a different machine, I think it failed on this one. Ideas? The modem, an external serial modem, works |
| 05:57.41 | mo1991 | liable modprobe pcspkr worked |
| 05:57.41 | rob_lt | rhalff, packages.debian.org |
| 05:57.55 | liable | mo1991: buggered if I know dude. like I say never had to futz with it. |
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| 05:58.09 | SDFH_Linux | ok the logs says nothing is wrong with it |
| 05:58.29 | knighttemplar | look for a firewall |
| 05:58.39 | knighttemplar | then as mdh said |
| 05:58.41 | SDFH_Linux | i can easily ping the other computer i am trying to reach |
| 05:58.49 | maher | rob_lt: initrd's may not show up in dpkg's database as they are probably built at package install time by the package |
| 05:59.05 | knighttemplar | you could try using a port scanner to see if everything it's working correctly |
| 05:59.14 | rob_lt | maher, thanks. That's what I was thinking, but I didnt want to give out false info. |
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| 05:59.42 | mdh | knighttemplar: it could be some kind of reverse-NAT problem, if this box is behind a masquerading firewall |
| 06:00.03 | brenda | Can anyone recommend a PCIx video card that sarge has drivers for? |
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| 06:00.10 | mrgenixus | can someone point me to a document that will help me get all of the apache modules installed and configured? I need to set up ASP processing, Java server pages, apache-ssl, virtual-hosting, ... |
| 06:00.11 | rhalff | rob_lt, it does install the initrd now, so probably when I got the problem at home it was some 2.6.12 package. |
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| 06:00.32 | rhalff | let's reboot :) |
| 06:00.32 | k-man | why does installing gnome want to install abiword-common? |
| 06:00.33 | d03boy | what do I need to do to restart xfree86 so I can test my new mouse settings that I just changed? |
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| 06:00.48 | pulaski | hello |
| 06:00.49 | mdh | brenda: any ati or nvidia card will work, just not hardware-accellerated opengl |
| 06:01.09 | Stormy | nvidia works with hardware accel |
| 06:01.10 | liable | mo1991: try 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' |
| 06:01.11 | mdh | s/will/should/ |
| 06:01.12 | Stormy | i've got it going right now |
| 06:01.15 | SDFH_Linux | ok i checked the other computer for firestarter or guarddog and it has nothing installed like that also i made sure openssh and ssh are installed and they are |
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| 06:01.15 | brenda | oh yeah? |
| 06:01.23 | ValheruLord | is the package name xserver-xorg? |
| 06:01.23 | brenda | Stormy: which one? |
| 06:01.23 | mdh | Stormy: sure, but not without nvidia binary drivers |
| 06:01.30 | SDFH_Linux | do i have to edit that allow host file on that computer too? |
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| 06:01.39 | Stormy | brenda, one second i think it's a quatro fx |
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| 06:01.47 | mdh | ValheruLord: yeah, it overrides the old one, a dist-upgrade will get it all for you |
| 06:01.47 | knighttemplar | dude you have to edit the ones in the servers |
| 06:01.55 | knighttemplar | not the ones in the pc you are using :) |
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| 06:01.59 | brenda | nvidia has linux drivers for most of their cards, right? |
| 06:02.03 | Stormy | yes |
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| 06:02.11 | Stormy | i haven't found one gf2 + that doesn't work yet |
| 06:02.17 | mdh | brenda: yes, as does ati |
| 06:02.22 | rob_lt | brenda, nvidia support for linux is head and shoulders above ATI |
| 06:02.23 | Guerin | !ops ban ARennes-251-1-24-169.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| 06:02.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ban ARennes-251-1-24-169.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| 06:02.26 | ValheruLord | mdh: and when will kde 3.4 be added |
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| 06:02.34 | Stormy | i've tryed ati and linux |
| 06:02.35 | pulaski | I have a zip 250 with a driver from iomega that under woody let me mount hte drive on /dev/sda. Under sarge I get a "Device Failure" message when I try to mount that device |
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| 06:03.15 | Stormy | so far i can't make it work |
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| 06:03.15 | Guerin | or actually *wanadoo.fr would do |
| 06:03.15 | brenda | so if I get a PCIx nvidia I will be good |
| 06:03.15 | Stormy | and it's a nice ati mobile card that suposedly works |
| 06:03.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ARennes-251-1-24-169.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] by caphuso |
| 06:03.15 | streuner | heh |
| 06:03.15 | Guerin | caphuso: cheers |
| 06:03.15 | Stormy | pcix nv does work |
| 06:03.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 06:03.15 | Stormy | i did it at work |
| 06:03.15 | Stormy | vesafb gets confused tho |
| 06:03.15 | Schiz0 | just ban *!*@*.aol.* |
| 06:03.15 | Schiz0 | Haha. |
| 06:03.15 | brenda | neat! |
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| 06:03.27 | mdh | ValheruLord: I don't know.... how far are you into packaging it? :-) |
| 06:03.30 | Stormy | so don't run vesafb with nv pcix yet |
| 06:03.31 | Guerin | Schiz0: was done a while ago |
| 06:03.37 | rob_lt | Stormy, what about the actual nvidia driver from nvidia, does that work with a PCIx card? |
| 06:03.43 | SDFH_Linux | dang nothing |
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| 06:03.47 | pulaski | does anyone have any experience with iomega zip drives and sarge? |
| 06:03.49 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux , you have to edit the hosts.allow and deny files on the server not the computer you are running , but the one your connecting to |
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| 06:03.52 | Stormy | it's been a while but i wan to say i did get it working |
| 06:03.57 | Stormy | nv 5300 pci-e |
| 06:04.19 | JeffH | what does it mean when I do an 'apt-get install <package> and it tells me 'WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated' |
| 06:04.43 | jm_ | JeffH: it means you're using sid without following the development etc. |
| 06:04.45 | Guerin | JeffH: why are you running unstable |
| 06:04.46 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:04.51 | rixth | Looking for a nice file manager, similar to Nautilus with things like thumbnails for images and the like. Any suggestions? |
| 06:04.55 | knighttemplar | jeff: that the package is not authenticated :) |
| 06:04.59 | SDFH_Linux | knighttemplar weird i can go on that computer and get onto this one but not the other way around |
| 06:04.59 | Guerin | rixth: nautilus |
| 06:05.02 | mdh | JeffH: you're running unstable and/or testing, therefore you should either a) know what it means or b) not be running testing/unstbale |
| 06:05.07 | jm_ | pulaski: it's probably a matter of missing kernel modules or so |
| 06:05.07 | Stormy | rixth, xfce? |
| 06:05.08 | JeffH | Guerin: because I like to see what is new and improved. |
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| 06:05.23 | knighttemplar | oh so you can connect to one ? |
| 06:05.24 | Guerin | JeffH: rtfc |
| 06:05.36 | Guerin | Schiz0: is xfce a filemanager? no, thought not |
| 06:05.41 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:05.43 | Stormy | no |
| 06:05.44 | Guerin | Stormy: |
| 06:05.46 | Stormy | but it does have one |
| 06:05.50 | Stormy | xftfm or something like that |
| 06:05.52 | rob_lt | pulaski, you could look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29441 |
| 06:05.53 | rixth | Guerin, I thought most people disliked Nautilus... Stormy I'll take a look. |
| 06:06.04 | Guerin | rixth: it's shit, but it's quite a lot like nautilus |
| 06:06.07 | JeffH | rtfc? |
| 06:06.11 | rob_lt | pulaski, it's for ubuntu, but ubuntu is basically debian unstable, hence why I lurk in their forums |
| 06:06.12 | Stormy | i'm going to install xfce4 on this thing in a second i'll know it then |
| 06:06.13 | gungnir | i've tried to altering the screen resolution from 800x600 to 1152x864 by editing XF86Config without success. is there another way of altering screen resolution? |
| 06:06.15 | knighttemplar | SDHF_linux : so you can connect to one ? try doing what you did in the other one |
| 06:06.16 | pulaski | oh thanks jm. You may have advised me last time I was on. |
| 06:06.27 | jm_ | pulaski: what kind of ZIP drive is this? |
| 06:06.33 | Guerin | !rtfc |
| 06:06.33 | dpkg | well, rtfc is Read The Fucking Changelog |
| 06:06.39 | cmihai | I see dead people... |
| 06:06.43 | pulaski | zip 250 parallel port |
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| 06:06.48 | cmihai | I is it me, or did I just see XOrg in sid? |
| 06:06.49 | rixth | Guerin, whenever I start Nautilus, it takes over Openbox though. |
| 06:06.50 | mdh | brb, need to see a man about a dog |
| 06:07.00 | Guerin | rixth: oh |
| 06:07.04 | mrgenixus | man dog??? |
| 06:07.07 | Stormy | just don't stay with the sheep too long |
| 06:07.13 | Guerin | rixth: alias nautilus to nautilus --no-dektop |
| 06:07.26 | liable | mrgenixus: never heard that one? |
| 06:07.27 | Guerin | rixth: man nautilus |
| 06:07.28 | gungnir | only options available seem to be 800x600 & 640x480.... |
| 06:07.35 | JeffH | xmihai: I saw it too. |
| 06:07.43 | knighttemplar | hey hoiw can i configure the login screen it's not givin me the correct resolution |
| 06:07.49 | cmihai | JeffH: I belive I'm installing i now... |
| 06:07.50 | michal_ | hmm.. i'm trying to emulate a "printserver" with cups running on a debian system and all I have to go on is that the user enters the ip and LPT1 for the port name.. is that an LPD style printserver it's expecting most likely? this is some horrific windows thing clobbered together by a dodgy company |
| 06:07.51 | rixth | Guerin, just found that, thanks. |
| 06:07.56 | Guerin | knighttemplar: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:08.07 | cmihai | Major breakage time... |
| 06:08.10 | jm_ | pulaski: try reading paride.txt |
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| 06:08.35 | rob_lt | pulaski, looks like you need the "imm" module... does lsmod show it as loaded? |
| 06:08.42 | knighttemplar | guerin: when i login it |
| 06:08.45 | jm_ | pulaski: as long as it's IDE that is |
| 06:08.47 | knighttemplar | s the right resoulution |
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| 06:08.55 | knighttemplar | but when i log out it |
| 06:09.02 | knighttemplar | it;s smaller |
| 06:09.02 | jim | knighttemplar: not just the login screen... the screen... resolution affects your whole session |
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| 06:09.28 | knighttemplar | jIM: nope it is just in the login script |
| 06:09.37 | knighttemplar | jim: screen***** |
| 06:09.50 | Stormy | xffm4 |
| 06:09.52 | Stormy | that's it |
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| 06:10.12 | simy | now i need help with ndiswrapper, i know everybody hates it, but i need it to work anways, because this is like the third card ive bought from local stores, nothing seams to be supported in wifi 802.11g in linux, and well, i did this with ndiswrapper and the same card with another laptop, just that screen broke, now it says driver installed, but when i put the card in, it dosnt detect it, how do i do that? |
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| 06:10.39 | reda | I'm connected to the internet with adsl and a usb modem, my provider disconnects me every 24h (normal). I set the 'persist' option in pppd config file but it doesn't seem to work. shouldn't this reconnect me automatically rather then exiting pppd?? |
| 06:10.43 | mina_linux_Tux | simy: what exaclty the prob. |
| 06:11.02 | knighttemplar | simy: you installed the ,sys and the .inf ? it shoulkd say hardware present , and software present or something like that |
| 06:11.10 | mo1991 | liable - how do I get oss to work if lsmod shows that the opl3sa2 is configured - what else is needed for oss??? |
| 06:11.16 | jim | aint nuthin you can do if your provider disconnects you |
| 06:11.18 | pulaski | jm, no imm but nor does lsmod show paride or parport. |
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| 06:11.26 | pulaski | I think you're right though |
| 06:11.49 | knighttemplar | help with me screen |
| 06:11.50 | pulaski | jm_: as I recall one of my kernel modules under woody was paride |
| 06:12.03 | jm_ | pulaski: yes, that's the generic module for all PARIDE devices |
| 06:12.14 | pulaski | this is very helpful,jm |
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| 06:12.34 | simy | knighttemplar what do you mean the .sys too? |
| 06:12.38 | jm_ | pulaski: are you using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:12.44 | pulaski | I have some time off coming up so I think I'll add rebuilding my kernel to my tasks |
| 06:12.46 | simy | mina_linux_Tux : i dont know thats part of the problem! |
| 06:12.56 | pulaski | 2.4.7 kernel |
| 06:12.56 | liable | mo1991: did you try that cat command? |
| 06:13.16 | JeffH | Are there any known problems with kde in Sid? I login (using kdm) and all I get is a blue screen with nothing but a cursor. |
| 06:13.19 | mina_linux_Tux | simy: listen i used with SMC wifi card on sarge |
| 06:13.35 | liable | JeffH: bts. |
| 06:13.38 | mina_linux_Tux | simy: i used Winxp driver |
| 06:13.40 | mo1991 | said no file /vmlinuz |
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| 06:13.45 | pulaski | 2.4.27-2-386 to be exact jm |
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| 06:13.49 | JeffH | liable: bts? |
| 06:14.00 | jm_ | pulaski: that's a SCSI driver |
| 06:14.02 | knighttemplar | simy: you need to get both files not just the inf one , the /etc/modules/drivername/ most contain the 2 files that come in the driver cd one is a .sys and the other one is a .inf |
| 06:14.30 | liable | mo1991: any file will do. |
| 06:14.47 | knighttemplar | if you can't figure it out go to irc.freenode.com channel #ndiswrapper |
| 06:14.55 | liable | !btssmite JeffH |
| 06:15.04 | jm_ | pulaski: why are you using a 386 kernel? |
| 06:15.12 | glick | hmm nvu isnt in any debian repositories? |
| 06:15.15 | jm_ | pulaski: this kernel has imm support |
| 06:15.17 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command to restart services again |
| 06:15.23 | liable | glick: yes it is. |
| 06:15.29 | pulaski | jm do you mean that kernel has a SCSI driver only? because my hard drives are IDE |
| 06:15.34 | liable | !info nvu |
| 06:15.39 | dpkg | nvu: (Complete Web Authoring System), section web, is optional. Version: 0.99+1.0pre-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8871 kB, Installed size: 27495 kB |
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| 06:15.49 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 06:15.49 | liable | !info nvu sarge |
| 06:15.50 | glick | liable i dont see it when i do apt-cache search nvu |
| 06:15.52 | mitu | !info clock |
| 06:15.52 | mo1991 | liable - ok hold on - btw one thing I notices is that during startup while loading modules it find 1 pnp opl3sa2 card - but then during hotboot it says that opl3sa2 is blacklisted |
| 06:15.57 | michal_ | I can find plenty of documents on how to set up cupsys to print TO lpd://192.168.2.1/LPT1 but none on how to setup vupsys to BE lpd://192.168.2.1/LPT1 |
| 06:16.05 | michal_ | s/vupsys/cupsys |
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| 06:16.18 | pulaski | I did a netinstl of sarge and that was the kernel I had running woody. |
| 06:16.21 | jm_ | pulaski: I am saying that this kernel has support for both, so just load imm module and see what happens |
| 06:16.32 | liable | mo1991: look in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, but if its already loaded... |
| 06:16.35 | pulaski | imm ok |
| 06:16.39 | mo1991 | liable - I did add the section from that first webpage you sent - modprobe works just liek without it |
| 06:16.45 | sema4 | how do I find out what exactly my keyboard is ? ... whats the diff b/w a 104 and a 105 keyboard? |
| 06:16.47 | liable | glick: must be just sid. |
| 06:16.54 | glick | ah |
| 06:17.02 | pulaski | I'll make a note and look closely as I update. |
| 06:17.05 | pulaski | thanks jm |
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| 06:17.08 | backtack | sema4 : one key |
| 06:17.27 | jm_ | pulaski: np |
| 06:18.12 | liable | mo1991: unblacklist it from hotplug, and look in discover too. |
| 06:18.12 | sema4 | backtack: which one? |
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| 06:18.30 | liable | mo1991: is soundcore loaded too? |
| 06:18.31 | pulaski | good deal. I'll cy jm |
| 06:18.33 | cmihai | Time to break my debian and try Xorg;) |
| 06:18.37 | pulaski | cya jm |
| 06:18.41 | liable | mo1991: try that cat command. |
| 06:18.45 | jm_ | pulaski: ciao |
| 06:18.46 | SDFH_Linux | cmlhai lets us know how it went |
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| 06:18.55 | liable | bbs... ironing :( |
| 06:18.57 | backtack | sem4 : probably a windows key or similar |
| 06:19.02 | mo1991 | liable - does not show it in the blacklist file |
| 06:19.07 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : can you run SSH now ? |
| 06:19.12 | jm_ | sem4;use xkeycaps and take a look |
| 06:19.14 | SDFH_Linux | nope |
| 06:19.16 | mo1991 | liable - yes soundcore is loaded |
| 06:19.27 | glick | i wish it was it etch |
| 06:19.30 | knighttemplar | google it , or download SSH again |
| 06:19.32 | SDFH_Linux | like i said though from that other computer i can get into mine no problem |
| 06:19.34 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.37 | tripppy | who uses smoothwall? |
| 06:19.40 | mo1991 | liable plz give cat command again |
| 06:19.46 | knighttemplar | what are you running in the other one ? |
| 06:19.56 | SDFH_Linux | ssh and open-ssh and its server |
| 06:19.59 | backtack | is gcc 4.0 able to recompile kernel? im getting errors |
| 06:20.01 | SDFH_Linux | on debian |
| 06:20.06 | knighttemplar | i mean what distro |
| 06:20.08 | glick | tripppy, i wanted to but only have sun machines and they dont have a sparc version :( |
| 06:20.16 | Guerin | backtack: apparently not. best to use 3.x |
| 06:20.32 | backtack | Guerin : thanks |
| 06:20.37 | tripppy | glick: can you help me with a SUN dumb client ? |
| 06:20.51 | tripppy | bought it for 25 bucks, its useless |
| 06:20.56 | glick | tripppy, dont know much about them |
| 06:20.58 | tripppy | who can i use it? |
| 06:21.25 | cmihai | WOW, XOrg transition was beautifull. All I did was install xserver-xorg...and restart X. Beautifull work :) |
| 06:21.25 | glick | tripppy, why did you buy it? |
| 06:21.29 | knighttemplar | are u running debian on both ? |
| 06:21.30 | cmihai | Xorg seems to work great! |
| 06:21.37 | SDFH_Linux | yes knighttemplar |
| 06:21.40 | tripppy | what should i use simlar to smoothwall but with a nice GUI? |
| 06:21.50 | backtack | i agree cheers to debian and Xorg! |
| 06:21.52 | mith | tripppy: vi |
| 06:21.53 | tripppy | glick, didnt know it what it was |
| 06:21.54 | SDFH_Linux | cmihai are you using a nvidia 3d drivero n it? |
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| 06:21.56 | knighttemplar | what did you do differently in the other box ? |
| 06:22.00 | knighttemplar | can you remember |
| 06:22.02 | SDFH_Linux | i dont know |
| 06:22.03 | tripppy | VI>? |
| 06:22.12 | tripppy | what OS is thaaT? |
| 06:22.16 | glick | tripppy, im hoping to find out the same thing, with a ultra 5 with half a gig of ram running freeBSD Sparc |
| 06:22.18 | mith | tripppy: yes, it is the most awsome of VIsual editors |
| 06:22.25 | knighttemplar | did you modify hosts.allow in both ? |
| 06:22.28 | SDFH_Linux | i am going to start up a 3rd debian computer i have on the same network knighttemplar to see if i can reach any of the others |
| 06:22.35 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 06:22.52 | knighttemplar | same stuuf on both config ? |
| 06:22.55 | mith | tripppy: it should handle all of your firewall needs |
| 06:22.59 | SDFH_Linux | yep |
| 06:23.05 | knighttemplar | that's weird |
| 06:23.07 | d03boy | anyone here have a laptop with mouse+touchpad working at the same time? |
| 06:23.16 | knighttemplar | restart the service on the one you can' connect to |
| 06:23.19 | tripppy | i asked what is a GOOD O.S. for router/gateway? |
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| 06:23.31 | mith | tripppy: debian + vi |
| 06:23.39 | SDFH_Linux | let me try reaching it from my 3rd computer |
| 06:23.41 | cmihai | SDFH_Linux: yes. |
| 06:23.44 | SDFH_Linux | on the network |
| 06:23.44 | maher | SDFH_Linux: is the sshd getting any packets from the ssh client? |
| 06:23.51 | Guerin | tripppy: firehol is supposedly sweet |
| 06:23.56 | SDFH_Linux | cmihai so you are able to use nvdia 3d drivers |
| 06:23.58 | cmihai | SDFH_Linux: what was great was that NVIDIA still works, I didn't even have to configure anything. |
| 06:23.58 | mith | tripppy: what makes you think i'm not serious? |
| 06:24.04 | SDFH_Linux | whoa |
| 06:24.08 | cmihai | SDFH_Linux: upgrade and restart x. 2 mouse clicks. |
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| 06:24.13 | SDFH_Linux | i am try that |
| 06:24.19 | SDFH_Linux | going to try taht* |
| 06:24.31 | tripppy | firehol |
| 06:24.37 | cmihai | SDFH_Linux: if you run sid, don't blaim me if it does not work for you. All I can say is it works great here :) |
| 06:24.43 | SDFH_Linux | lol k |
| 06:24.49 | Guerin | BLAME |
| 06:24.58 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 06:25.34 | Guerin | !lol |
| 06:25.34 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
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| 06:25.37 | srbaker | yo |
| 06:25.38 | cmihai | About time too :). |
| 06:25.40 | Guerin | christ |
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| 06:25.49 | tripppy | what about a redhat version? |
| 06:25.50 | srbaker | i'm getting an error about sound when i log into gnome. what are the usual culprits? |
| 06:25.55 | Guerin | have some standards, people |
| 06:25.58 | Guerin | tripppy: no. |
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| 06:27.17 | tripppy | knoppix? |
| 06:27.46 | tripppy | Guerin: unbuntu? |
| 06:27.54 | tripppy | Guerin, knoppix? |
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| 06:28.29 | maher | tripppy: you are in #debian - what os do you think people are going to recommend? |
| 06:28.34 | SDFH_Linux | knighttemplar |
| 06:28.44 | SDFH_Linux | ok i can reach from my 3rd computer this computer |
| 06:28.50 | SDFH_Linux | but not the second computer |
| 06:28.55 | cmihai | Long arms, huh? |
| 06:29.01 | srbaker | when i log into gnome, it's telling me "no volume control elements and/or devices found" |
| 06:29.02 | SDFH_Linux | and the second can reach this one |
| 06:29.06 | Bloodmyst | Hey guys, I figured since Ubuntu is based on Debian, maybe I could get some help here. No one really wants to help me in the Ubuntu channel. |
| 06:29.12 | srbaker | anyone know what causes that error? (my sound card is detected and works fine) |
| 06:29.27 | qwertz_ | Hi! I've got in my /etc/aliases "nobody: root" and "root: email@work.de" but mail for nobody is still stored in /var/mail/nobody - any help? |
| 06:29.28 | srbaker | Bloodmyst that's because #ubuntu is horrible |
| 06:29.31 | knighttemplar | yeah there's something wrong with SSH , try reinstalling it |
| 06:29.34 | srbaker | Bloodmyst what do you need? |
| 06:29.34 | Bloodmyst | Heh. |
| 06:29.35 | knighttemplar | apt-get install SSH |
| 06:29.37 | SDFH_Linux | and i cant reach no computer |
| 06:29.40 | SDFH_Linux | on this one |
| 06:29.43 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:29.45 | SDFH_Linux | i try that |
| 06:29.51 | Bloodmyst | Well, here's a short thread in the ubuntu forums outlining my problem |
| 06:29.52 | Bloodmyst | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32043 |
| 06:30.00 | Bloodmyst | I'm the last to post "brian.reading", I am. |
| 06:30.13 | Bloodmyst | It's pretty simple really. |
| 06:30.16 | knighttemplar | hey anybody knows if there's a limewire package for apt-get |
| 06:30.35 | SDFH_Linux | sayst its already installed |
| 06:30.41 | maher | qwertz_: do youhave a nobody: root line in /etc/aliases |
| 06:30.49 | srbaker | Bloodmyst i'm not in X yet, but i'll help you in 10 mins or so, if i can |
| 06:31.01 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: thanks a lot! |
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| 06:31.16 | knighttemplar | you could remove 'em and install them again |
| 06:31.17 | srbaker | Bloodmyst no problem. hang on |
| 06:31.19 | Bloodmyst | srbaker, just let me know. |
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| 06:31.32 | lovedebi | roger |
| 06:31.32 | knighttemplar | apt-get install remove SSH but then again that is your choice |
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| 06:31.45 | rixth | Okay guys, I'm using Openbox,how do I change the 'theme' so to speak. I don't like standard GTK2 grey. |
| 06:31.52 | qwertz_ | maher, yes |
| 06:31.54 | SDFH_Linux | remove then reinstall it |
| 06:31.56 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 06:32.07 | knighttemplar | yes |
| 06:32.18 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:32.19 | deadcat | rixth: apt-cache search switch |
| 06:32.21 | knighttemplar | you can do that |
| 06:32.28 | knighttemplar | but i'll leave that to ur own risk |
| 06:32.34 | liable | mo1991: cat /boot/vmlinuz-(one of the files) > /dev/dsp |
| 06:32.53 | deadcat | rixth: gtk-theme-switch - GTK+ theme switching utility |
| 06:32.56 | knighttemplar | i think you could try upgrading it |
| 06:32.57 | maher | qwertz_: did you edit aliases recently? did you restart the mail daemon or run newaliases? |
| 06:32.58 | KodeK | Could someone take a look at my postfix config and maybe hint me so I can fix this problem I'm having? http://rafb.net/paste/results/8qVWAY28.html |
| 06:33.07 | rixth | deadcat, thank you |
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| 06:33.36 | knighttemplar | SDFH_linux : ask someone else i gotta leave |
| 06:33.37 | knighttemplar | :) |
| 06:33.57 | SDFH_Linux | did the reintall didnt work still |
| 06:34.01 | SDFH_Linux | but thanks for all your help dude |
| 06:34.08 | SDFH_Linux | this is weird though |
| 06:35.01 | knighttemplar | you got to start the service |
| 06:35.05 | SDFH_Linux | now i take the plunge of trying xorg |
| 06:35.06 | knighttemplar | it doesn't run automatically |
| 06:35.10 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 06:35.18 | knighttemplar | mm /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 06:35.46 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, okay. link again? |
| 06:35.50 | Bloodmyst | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32043 |
| 06:35.53 | Bloodmyst | there ya go. |
| 06:35.55 | knighttemplar | tell me if it works |
| 06:36.02 | knighttemplar | is there a limewire package?! |
| 06:36.06 | stouset | Holy crap. xorg is in sid. |
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| 06:36.10 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 06:36.13 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, what kind of card? |
| 06:36.19 | srbaker | oh, savage |
| 06:36.25 | Bloodmyst | srbaker, indeed. |
| 06:36.38 | deadcat | stouset: yes. holy crap. san crapo i think |
| 06:36.54 | KodeK | deadcat, do you have any idea what could be wrong with my config? :'( |
| 06:37.02 | liable | deadcat: have you upgraded from the p.d.o ones yet? |
| 06:37.07 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, what's your nick on the forums? |
| 06:37.15 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: "brian.reading" |
| 06:37.23 | deadcat | KodeK: no clue |
| 06:37.29 | KodeK | :'( |
| 06:37.30 | SDFH_Linux | didnt work knighttemplar |
| 06:37.35 | SDFH_Linux | gotta reboot brb |
| 06:37.39 | srbaker | you installed the kernel headers package? |
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| 06:37.58 | deadcat | liable: i think so. i removed the people.d.o line from my sources.list |
| 06:38.03 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: I followed the exact directions above, I installed the the headers package via apt-get |
| 06:38.09 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, what you're looking for is a way to tell it where to find your kernel config file. i don't have a savage, so i'm not going to download those packages to find out how. but jussec |
| 06:38.17 | qwertz_ | maher, changed it yesterday and didn't restart the mail daemon, tried newaliases and will have a look if aliases is still ignored, thanks for the hint! |
| 06:38.26 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, what kernel are you running? (uname -a) |
| 06:38.32 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: yeah. I even checked my .config file is there |
| 06:38.42 | deadcat | liable: its trying to rm nvidia-glx xine-ui x-common when i dist-upgrade |
| 06:38.50 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 06:39.13 | srbaker | goddamn |
| 06:39.15 | liable | deadcat: ah, you must have then :P |
| 06:39.28 | deadcat | liable: have what? (= |
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| 06:39.41 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, i have no idea what to tell you, since i can't even test it on my machine here |
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| 06:39.53 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: that's okay, thanks for your help! |
| 06:39.54 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, sorry. i'd look for an option to specify where your config file is |
| 06:40.00 | deadcat | liable: ok. let me upgrade xserver-xorg, x11-common will replace x-common |
| 06:40.03 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, look at the contents of install.sh to see where it's looking |
| 06:40.04 | liable | deadcat: gotta wait till tonight, 50 Mg on dial up is an overnight job, but it doesnt want to remove anything by the looks. :) |
| 06:40.08 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, sorry i can't be of more assistance |
| 06:40.10 | Hiruky | woah |
| 06:40.14 | Hiruky | i just saw something up in the chat |
| 06:40.19 | Hiruky | someone asking for a limewire package oO |
| 06:40.24 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: well it asks me where my kernel modules are, and I specified it correctly, but not a .config file |
| 06:40.29 | srbaker | hrm |
| 06:40.29 | srbaker | weird |
| 06:40.35 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: no problem! at least you tried! |
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| 06:40.42 | deadcat | liable: damn. (=.. dialup... still waiting for xorg to hit ppc, have a cron job to check every 15min hehe |
| 06:40.53 | Hiruky | what's xorg? |
| 06:40.55 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, i uninstalled ubuntu the other day because the #ubuntu folks were useless. |
| 06:41.07 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, i'm back at home in debian |
| 06:41.12 | srbaker | but i can't figure out how to get my fucking sound working |
| 06:41.13 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: heh, Yeah those guys are ridiculous |
| 06:41.18 | Hiruky | in 2.6? |
| 06:41.25 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: yeah I ran Debian on my P1 back in the day |
| 06:41.25 | liable | deadcat: hah, impatient... |
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| 06:41.27 | Hiruky | yeah alsa works perfectly in 2.4 -_- |
| 06:41.35 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, the script kiddies that hang out in -devel aren't any better, unfortunately. |
| 06:41.39 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: but I didn't know what I was doing so much either |
| 06:41.44 | sparr_ | When I try to boot my windows partition (hda1) using grub (pointing at (hd0.0)) it tells me its partition type 0x82, which means its looking at the wrong partition... trial and error on all the (hdN,0) says its NOT hd0, hd1, or hd3. when i try to boot (hd2,0) i just get the grub shell. I CAN boot windows with the winxp cd. Help? |
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| 06:41.52 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, ahh. i've been a DD since slink, but haven't been active for the last little while |
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| 06:42.17 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: Well I haven't been a Linux user for a while |
| 06:42.18 | rixth | deadcat, it makes no difference. Even if I select a theme, and press previw, I see basically no change. |
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| 06:42.32 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: I've been using OS X, and I've been spoiled. |
| 06:42.37 | deadcat | liable: cant wait to use the vga out on the ibook (= |
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| 06:42.51 | SDFH_Linux | well xorg worked for me |
| 06:42.53 | liable | deadcat: :) |
| 06:42.59 | rixth | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so", << Could that be something to do with it? |
| 06:43.04 | SDFH_Linux | with nvidia drivers and all |
| 06:43.11 | SDFH_Linux | didnt have to do anything |
| 06:43.11 | liable | SDFH_Linux: for now :P |
| 06:43.15 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 06:43.29 | deadcat | rixth: you have obconf as well? them s |
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| 06:44.08 | rixth | deadcat, yes, I have obconf installed. But what I want to change is the color of the toolbars and the like in Firefox, they're the gross default grey. |
| 06:44.11 | scanwinder | does anyone know what the default port for Ares is? |
| 06:44.29 | srbaker | Bloodmyst, hah, i was *this* close to dropping gnu/linux forever and getting a Mini and an iBook, and then apple announce moving to intel. |
| 06:44.40 | SDFH_Linux | is xorg really that much better? |
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| 06:44.45 | srbaker | SDFH_Linux, yes |
| 06:44.49 | jm_ | sparr_: how are you booting windows with grub? |
| 06:44.52 | SDFH_Linux | why? |
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| 06:45.19 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: well I think it'll still be alright, just don't invest too much into a PPC. Get yourself a used mini when they come out with another model, the older ones will be even cheaper |
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| 06:45.32 | sparr_ | jm_: a simple root, makeactive, chainloader... as instructed in various HOWTOs |
| 06:45.54 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: you really don't know what you're missing until you give OS X a try. It's the best Unix I've used so far. It's super flexible for all users. |
| 06:46.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:46.11 | ottoaim__ | X is horrible |
| 06:46.13 | Bloodmyst | srbaker: Heh, I'm on my iBook right now as a matter of fact. |
| 06:46.14 | Guerin | osx is just more proprietary shiteware |
| 06:46.26 | Guerin | it's just crapple being crap |
| 06:46.33 | ottoaim__ | xwindows xorg who cares they both aren't that great |
| 06:46.33 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: Heh, arguments? |
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| 06:46.41 | Guerin | Bloodmyst: no use arguing with mactards |
| 06:46.58 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: Mactards? Sorry, I ran BSD and Linux long before OS X |
| 06:47.00 | liable | hah, that actually made me lol |
| 06:47.12 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: I'm no fanboy, I use both architectures. |
| 06:47.17 | ottoaim__ | omg apple on intel I'm like totally dropping linux for osx and candy!!!!11~~~ |
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| 06:47.26 | SDFH_Linux | i just dont know why one is better than the other |
| 06:47.28 | Guerin | ottoaim__: exactly. |
| 06:47.39 | Bloodmyst | ottoaim__: that's not really the point. |
| 06:47.42 | ottoaim__ | I hate techinical analysts that say people are going to do that |
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| 06:48.17 | Bloodmyst | bottom line is that OS X is more polished than any other unix I've used |
| 06:48.24 | ottoaim__ | I use linux because it responds the way I like it, OS X feels sluggish and those technical 'analysts' are obviously on something |
| 06:48.27 | jm_ | sparr_: is it NTFS partition? |
| 06:48.36 | SDFH_Linux | i had a powerbook with osx |
| 06:48.41 | SDFH_Linux | and it does feell sluggish |
| 06:48.49 | SDFH_Linux | i got rid of the powerbook |
| 06:48.54 | Guerin | polished, in this case, meaning 'packed full of worthless chrome and no configurability' |
| 06:48.56 | ottoaim__ | i put debian on my powerbook it is nice |
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| 06:49.00 | SDFH_Linux | much happier on debian |
| 06:49.06 | Bloodmyst | It's very RAM hungry, but PLEAAASE I've had Linux boxes run worse than OS X, it depends on the hardware config |
| 06:49.29 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: I quite like the OS X configuration. |
| 06:49.31 | Coke | Bloodmyst: polished as in "visually appealing" ? |
| 06:49.37 | Guerin | Bloodmyst: of course you do. |
| 06:49.51 | Bloodmyst | Coke: No as in everything already works, and doesn't break very easily. |
| 06:49.54 | Coke | Bloodmyst: or polished as in "their code base is tight as a virgins butt" ? |
| 06:49.59 | Guerin | i quite dislike any configuration which is forced upon me |
| 06:50.19 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: I'm not stuck on OS X, so obviously I do like it. it's not as though I can't run Linux on my iBook |
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| 06:50.33 | Ryoma | is the mail() function dependant on sendmailer to work? |
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| 06:50.50 | jm_ | Ryoma: what mail() function? |
| 06:50.59 | Coke | I work too, this makes me polished. |
| 06:50.59 | Guerin | Bloodmyst: and then there's the whole proprietary thing, and apple's DRM stance and generally shit attitude towards free software |
| 06:51.02 | Ryoma | the one to send mail? |
| 06:51.15 | jm_ | uhm what language |
| 06:51.23 | SDFH_Linux | isnt windows trying to do that drm thing |
| 06:51.26 | SDFH_Linux | with lh |
| 06:51.28 | ottoaim__ | another peeve of mine about os x is the software. I installed fink and darwin ports and there still wasn't enough free software that I was used to. not to mention everything in os x seems bloated and non feature-ful |
| 06:51.33 | Ryoma | php |
| 06:51.40 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: notice i haven't been all lovey dovey about windows, either |
| 06:51.42 | rixth | How can I change the color? http://60.234.142.58/grey.jpg << That grey, like the background on the Gimp. I'm using Openbox3 and fbpanel |
| 06:51.48 | jm_ | PHP docs have details about it, and yes, it relies on your MTA IIRC |
| 06:51.52 | maher | Ryoma: yeah - or any other mail daemon |
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| 06:52.00 | Coke | Guerin: no, that's wrong! they absolutely love getting free software, build add-ons and sell it using very restrictive licenses. |
| 06:52.08 | Guerin | Coke: heh. |
| 06:52.08 | SDFH_Linux | what is crazy is they are trying to tell you waht you can and cannot do with your own computer |
| 06:52.17 | Guerin | Coke: love that BSD license, oh yes. |
| 06:52.18 | Bloodmyst | Eh, personal preference then it is. Like I said, I quite like the way that OS X is configured. |
| 06:52.22 | SDFH_Linux | and the people who like windows just go along with it |
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| 06:52.26 | SDFH_Linux | i dont get it |
| 06:52.27 | Coke | Guerin: in fact, even Microsoft does not abuse the free software community that much. :) |
| 06:52.32 | Ryoma | yeah, but for mail() to work for linux, you need to have sendmailer enabled right? |
| 06:52.48 | jm_ | no, you need to have MTA configured |
| 06:52.48 | maher | Ryoma: or some other mail daemon |
| 06:52.58 | Guerin | Coke: Well, that's arguable, but yeah, they do just tend to ignore it, rather than leech off it. |
| 06:53.01 | stouset | Holy frack. Xorg works out of the box, and it even supports 3D in my radeon native. 1438 FPS :-) |
| 06:53.03 | srbaker | goddamnit. |
| 06:53.05 | srbaker | i need some help with sound |
| 06:53.13 | srbaker | for some reason it's not working. the modules are loaded |
| 06:53.22 | maher | srbaker: what hardware / what kernel |
| 06:53.33 | SDFH_Linux | stouset it worked for me as well with my nvidia card |
| 06:53.41 | SDFH_Linux | didnt have to do anything |
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| 06:53.46 | Ryoma | maher, by default, is the mail() function dependant on sendmailer to operate? |
| 06:54.01 | srbaker | maher, kernel 2.6.8-2-k7, sblive |
| 06:54.05 | srbaker | maher, it works, just not in gnome |
| 06:54.05 | rixth | srbaker, take a look here http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
| 06:54.11 | Guerin | Bloodmyst: go on, then, play the 'i love my apple, can't we all just get along?' card |
| 06:54.14 | quittt | hi |
| 06:54.21 | maher | Ryoma: no - it is dependent on having a mail daemon, eg sendmail, exim, postfix... |
| 06:54.24 | rixth | srbaker, alot of the packages it lists are not around anymore, just ignore them |
| 06:54.26 | quittt | there is a bug in gnome-terminal-data in testing |
| 06:54.33 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: Who put such a big bug up your ass? |
| 06:54.35 | srbaker | what?!? |
| 06:54.37 | Ryoma | maher, what if my host, has disabled sendmail, and thats all he has? |
| 06:54.39 | srbaker | i shouldn't need ot install that shit |
| 06:54.46 | srbaker | whatever. i'll do it anyways. |
| 06:54.46 | Guerin | Bloodmyst: it's not a bug, it's an apple |
| 06:54.46 | SDFH_Linux | i still dont get why xorg is better though |
| 06:54.51 | maher | srbaker: are you running / not running the gnome sound mixer whatsit? |
| 06:54.59 | srbaker | maher, gnome mixer won't start |
| 06:55.06 | maher | Ryoma: then you probably won't be able to send mail |
| 06:55.07 | srbaker | "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
| 06:55.13 | Ryoma | lol thats the problem im having :| |
| 06:55.14 | maher | srbaker: what error |
| 06:55.19 | Coke | The Mac user in a nutshell: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif |
| 06:55.22 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: I like OS X, get over yourself. Like I said, It's not like everyone that likes it is a "mactard" or a fanboy. |
| 06:55.22 | srbaker | maher: "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
| 06:55.25 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: more hardware support, newer chrome, mostly. people without new hardware won't notice much difference as yet |
| 06:55.25 | Ryoma | so I need to tell my host to make the mail() function work with another mail daemon? |
| 06:55.41 | Guerin | anyway |
| 06:55.44 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 06:55.46 | maher | srbaker: does aumix run? |
| 06:55.49 | rixth | Okay, whenever I try and change the GTK theme with gtk-switch-theme, it doesn't work, I see this in the terminal output "Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed" |
| 06:55.59 | srbaker | maher, yeah. and i get sound when i cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 06:56.02 | srbaker | maher it's just gnome |
| 06:56.05 | jm_ | Ryoma: you can always check if someone has written another mail() implementation for PHP that's connecting and sending commands by itself - but even that might not work, depending on what systems allows you to do |
| 06:56.11 | maher | srbaker: anyway - your sound works its gnome that's broken... |
| 06:56.19 | maher | srbaker: what version of debian |
| 06:56.20 | srbaker | maher, yes. i know |
| 06:56.25 | srbaker | maher, fresh upgrade to sid |
| 06:56.35 | Bloodmyst | Guerin: Just how old are you? How long have you used GNU/Linux? |
| 06:56.39 | liable | srbaker: xmms work? |
| 06:56.40 | Ryoma | jm_, im using Mambo, which uses mail(), but my host told me he had to disable sendmail on his box due to exploits and attacks |
| 06:56.42 | maher | Ryoma: you need a working mail daemon |
| 06:56.52 | srbaker | jussec |
| 06:56.58 | jm_ | Ryoma: well yes, unfortunately mail() relies on that ... |
| 06:56.59 | maher | Ryoma: get a host with a clue |
| 06:57.04 | Coke | rixth: that is a VERY common GTK error. it means the code is poorly written. |
| 06:57.21 | maher | srbaker: do you have hotplug / hal / udev installed? |
| 06:57.23 | jm_ | rixth: did you check if it still applied the theme? |
| 06:57.26 | rixth | Coke, what's a better way to switch the GTK theme then? |
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| 06:57.32 | Ryoma | maher, he hosts it for me for free, so he doesnt care much about me in that regard :| |
| 06:57.35 | srbaker | maher, yep |
| 06:57.45 | rixth | jm_, I see the preview in gtk-theme-switch fine, but no, it doesn't apply. |
| 06:57.46 | Coke | Ryoma: "exploits and attacks"? just configure the MTA properly. |
| 06:57.47 | jm_ | rixth: you can edit ~/.gtkrc yourself |
| 06:57.49 | srbaker | maher, gstreamer-properties, when i click test it gives me an error that it can't connect to the alsa pipeline |
| 06:57.52 | maher | Ryoma: well you may be out of luck |
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| 06:58.14 | rixth | include "/home/rixth/.themes/Aero/gtk/gtkrc" << I have that, yet it makes no difference. |
| 06:58.20 | mdh | Ryoma: he can use something other than Sendmail, you know. |
| 06:58.22 | Coke | rixth: setting up your own .gtkrc |
| 06:58.29 | tvn | rixth: use gtk-themes-switch2 |
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| 06:58.42 | Ryoma | mdh, do you suggest I ask him to make mail() to work with something rather than sendmail? |
| 06:58.44 | rixth | tvn, I'll try it |
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| 06:58.47 | jm_ | rix;are you sure your APP is using GTK1.2? |
| 06:58.49 | Coke | rixth: might be it's gtk2 |
| 06:58.51 | jm_ | doh |
| 06:59.12 | maher | srbaker: ok - i dunno - i'm not running gnome atm so i'm probably not going to be able to help you much.... |
| 06:59.33 | jm_ | srbaker: do you have ALSA modules loaded? |
| 06:59.39 | srbaker | jm_, yep |
| 06:59.41 | Coke | Ryoma: the default Debian MTA is Exim4. |
| 06:59.44 | mdh | Ryoma: it does, out of the box |
| 06:59.44 | jm_ | srbaker: and no OSS ones? |
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| 07:00.04 | rixth | tvn, that isn't a package |
| 07:00.13 | jm_ | rixth: it's a fucking command |
| 07:00.17 | rixth | Oh. |
| 07:00.22 | Ryoma | coke, jm, my host isnt on debian, unfortunately, but is there a way I can find out from my cpanel which distro he is using? |
| 07:00.35 | jm_ | Ryoma: do you have a shell on it? |
| 07:00.35 | mdh | jm_: like, "on your knees, bitch!" |
| 07:00.40 | rixth | jm_, much better! thanks |
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| 07:00.52 | jm_ | rixth: heh so your app is using GTK2 then |
| 07:01.00 | Ryoma | jm, I dont know |
| 07:01.03 | tvn | rixth: it's a command , the package is gtk-themes-switch , apt-get it |
| 07:01.25 | Ryoma | I know I have cpanel access |
| 07:01.28 | Ryoma | closest ill get |
| 07:01.29 | Coke | Ryoma: just tell your admin you need a damn MTA. you can not have a working system without an MTA anyways. |
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| 07:01.46 | Ryoma | he probably is using one, other than sendmail, and not telling me |
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| 07:01.59 | mo1991 | liable, what is the pc speaker module that needs to be added? |
| 07:02.08 | liable | pcspkr |
| 07:02.08 | Coke | Ryoma: and if he doesn't have half a brain to configure it with, then the admin can just make it listen on localhost only. |
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| 07:02.17 | Ryoma | because I had a phpnuke site for a week (dont kill me), and his box got attacked due to exploits in the phpnuke, so he's kinda angry at me |
| 07:02.32 | jm_ | heh |
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| 07:02.43 | Ryoma | but I got rid of phpnuke, and installed mambo |
| 07:02.48 | Coke | Ryoma: what's the deal with sendmail? why do YOU care what MTA it is? all you need is any MTA. |
| 07:03.08 | Coke | Ryoma: MTA != phpnuke |
| 07:03.19 | liable | mo1991: did you find what was blacklisting it? |
| 07:03.24 | maher | Ryoma: any mta will provide a sendmail command, so should work with php |
| 07:03.24 | Ryoma | because currently his mail() function is configured for sendmail, and he told me he disabled his sendmail, and because he is hosting me for free, he doesnt care to give me customer support "| |
| 07:03.37 | mo1991 | no, but I have at least the sound volume working - what is the pc speaker module |
| 07:03.45 | deadcat | damn. my screen(1) got locked. |
| 07:03.49 | Coke | Ryoma: he has to have an MTA. |
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| 07:03.53 | liable | mo1991: pcspkr |
| 07:03.57 | mo1991 | sound volume works in gnome - I just get no sound - at least it sets now though |
| 07:04.00 | mo1991 | getting close |
| 07:04.02 | mo1991 | closer |
| 07:04.03 | Ryoma | MTA being? im not in on the terminology |
| 07:04.10 | deadcat | !mta |
| 07:04.10 | liable | mo1991: cat /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) > /dev/dsp |
| 07:04.10 | dpkg | mta is, like, a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
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| 07:04.23 | Ryoma | ah |
| 07:04.24 | Ryoma | ok |
| 07:04.38 | Ryoma | im pretty sure he is using qmail now, but he wont tell me :p |
| 07:04.44 | mdh | lets not go back to what maher said 3 or four times already |
| 07:04.44 | Ryoma | I wish I could find it |
| 07:04.49 | Coke | Ryoma: It doesn't matter! |
| 07:04.52 | mo1991 | liable - can't find that module? Are you sure that is the right spelling |
| 07:04.56 | mdh | or we'll just /ignore you Ryoma |
| 07:05.04 | Coke | Ryoma: if he has any MTA at all you can use PHP mail() |
| 07:05.11 | liable | mo1991: linuz not linux |
| 07:05.17 | maher | Ryoma: have you tried sending mail with php? |
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| 07:05.32 | Ryoma | well he told me to select PHP Mailer for my mambo install, and it isnt mailing my members their registration confirmation |
| 07:05.33 | Coke | Ryoma: you have mistaken "sendmail" for the MTA called Sendmail, while in fact PHP talks about the binary /usr/sbin/sendmail. |
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| 07:05.51 | deadcat | mdh: good call. /ignore him. i got a feeling hes a troll |
| 07:06.05 | mo1991 | liable, I did the cat command |
| 07:06.12 | mo1991 | just hanging on that command |
| 07:06.12 | mdh | Ryoma: if you can telnet to port 25 on the box, there's a useful MTA on it |
| 07:06.21 | dondelelcaro | thatguy100: that's interesting. what modules are you using? |
| 07:06.24 | liable | mo1991: hmm ok. ctrl c it |
| 07:06.25 | rixth | Ryoma, that sounds like a PHP issue. ##php |
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| 07:06.28 | Ryoma | ill try |
| 07:06.28 | Coke | Ryoma: and as I remember it, PHP can be configured to use any type of binary to send email. Also, if all else fails there are plenty of SMTP libs for PHP. |
| 07:06.36 | Coke | Ryoma: there is no isssue! |
| 07:06.40 | Coke | Ryoma: you never had a problem. |
| 07:07.05 | Ryoma | the problem is he told me to use PHP Mailer as the config for mailing on my mambo CMS, but it isnt working, so I suspect something is wrong on his end |
| 07:07.19 | Coke | Ryoma: "suspect"? |
| 07:07.19 | mo1991 | liable - are you sure the pc speaker module was spelled correctly? I thought I was able to add it last time |
| 07:07.30 | mo1991 | seems like sound is working just not the pc speaker |
| 07:07.37 | liable | mo1991: oh, you got an error loading it? |
| 07:07.47 | mo1991 | said module not found |
| 07:08.17 | Coke | Ryoma: He has to have a working MTA configured, that's the way most GNU systems work, PHP uses _ANY_ sendmail binary. This tells me something is wrong with the PHP code/configuration and not the system. |
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| 07:08.45 | liable | mo1991: pcspeaker |
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| 07:09.04 | tarzeau | jharrison: pong pong pong |
| 07:09.12 | liable | mo1991: you can go back through your commands you know. |
| 07:09.30 | mo1991 | liable - I know, I have rebooted though a few times |
| 07:09.42 | mo1991 | pcspeaker is not right either -can't find module |
| 07:09.44 | Coke | Ryoma: My bet would be that Mambo is misconfigured. |
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| 07:10.08 | Ryoma | that was one of my thoughts as well |
| 07:10.25 | Coke | Ryoma: check the error logs to make sure. |
| 07:10.37 | liable | mo1991: pcspkr |
| 07:10.38 | Ryoma | but the mambo folks told me the mail should be working just fine if I left it as default phpmailer |
| 07:10.40 | Ryoma | which I did |
| 07:10.58 | liable | mo1991: thats the one. |
| 07:11.01 | mdh | when was it 20050612T1413 ? |
| 07:11.15 | backtack | how do i "roll back" to gcc 3.x i cant seem to uninstall 4.0 |
| 07:11.39 | mdh | somewhere in the USA, I should add |
| 07:11.52 | makingnonsense_ | hey folks ... is there any way to get make-kpkg to just rebuild the minimum when a change is made to .config? |
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| 07:12.18 | d03boy | where should I look to find a netinst sarge disk that isnt off the debian.org website? (because its slowwww) |
| 07:12.45 | mdh | wait, nm |
| 07:12.55 | ke6isf | d03boy: Try the mirror list. |
| 07:12.56 | mdh | soudns like ~12 hours till the next sid update |
| 07:13.03 | rAz__ | hi there. |
| 07:13.22 | liable | mo1991: ?? |
| 07:13.26 | mo1991 | liable - I changed my /etc/modules.conf file to match that first webpage and it seems like sound is working now cause volume control moves up and down and is lit up now |
| 07:13.31 | mo1991 | I get no sound, however |
| 07:13.38 | mdh | d03boy: any debian mirror |
| 07:13.40 | mo1991 | also shows that opl3sa2 is being used |
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| 07:13.52 | mdh | d03boy: usually of the kind ftp.<yourcountrycode>.debian.org |
| 07:13.53 | liable | mo1991: get the speaker module loaded? |
| 07:14.15 | mo1991 | nope, says module not found - I am currently working on the 2.4 sarge kernel - does this matter? |
| 07:14.22 | d03boy | ok |
| 07:14.23 | jm_ | mo1991: you should not edit modules.conf |
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| 07:15.07 | mo1991 | jm_ that is the only way it has said found card so far? |
| 07:15.20 | jm_ | mo1991: man update-modules ; and if you want to just load it -- man modules |
| 07:15.31 | liable | mo1991: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/input/misc |
| 07:15.37 | jm_ | mo1991: keep in mind that modules.conf is obsolete with 2.6 kernel |
| 07:15.45 | jm_ | well with module-init-tools |
| 07:16.01 | liable | jm_: old isa card, needs several module parameters. |
| 07:16.15 | makingnonsense_ | i guess i'm wondering if make-kpkg has to rebuild everything when .config changes |
| 07:16.16 | jm_ | liable: doesn't matter, one can include that in modules file |
| 07:16.18 | aurax | anyone here using unrealircd? |
| 07:16.49 | d03boy | i see a list of folders... 3.0 r1/ 3.1 r0a/ etc... where can I find out which one to get/ |
| 07:16.51 | mo1991 | jm_ where would I put the options for the opl3sa2 driver then with 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:17.17 | jm_ | mo1991: man modules ; man modprobe (it should mention /etc/mopprobe.d or somesuch) |
| 07:17.50 | jm_ | modprobe.d even |
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| 07:20.11 | ke6isf | d03boy: Just to give us an idea, precisely which mirror are you uisng atm? |
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| 07:21.21 | rixth | In Openbox, if you rightclick the title bar of a window and click 'decorate', the title bar dissapears, how do you get it back? |
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| 07:22.24 | d03boy | ke6isf, well I could only find 1 mirror for the netinst images, and thats in sweden, so I'm just gunna download the businesscard image and be done with it... shouldnt take too long |
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| 07:22.58 | ke6isf | d03boy: Hope it works for you . |
| 07:23.09 | d03boy | thanks |
| 07:23.35 | jm_ | d03boy: there's a shitload of debian-cd mirrors ... |
| 07:24.05 | knt | i'm trying to connect a serial device with using minicom but couldn't achieve to move forward just one step. can anybody help about it or point a documentation? |
| 07:24.32 | d03boy | jm_, for the netinst images? |
| 07:24.41 | jm_ | d03boy: for all CD images |
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| 07:25.02 | rixth | In Openbox, if you rightclick the title bar of a window and click 'decorate', the title bar dissapears, how do you get it back? |
| 07:25.04 | ke6isf | d03boy: FWIW, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:25.33 | jm_ | d03boy: then there's the option to get it with torrent |
| 07:25.45 | d03boy | thats what I would've preferred |
| 07:26.00 | jm_ | so why didn't you use it? |
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| 07:26.18 | d03boy | i'm at http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst and I dont see anything about any torrent links |
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| 07:26.38 | jm_ | http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 07:27.19 | jm_ | www.debian.org/CD for other links ... |
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| 07:29.15 | creative | Hi All, Iam getting the error " Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imap_open()" when using the function imap_open() in a php file |
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| 07:29.46 | d03boy | creative, sounds like a PHP problem |
| 07:29.56 | rixth | /join ##linux |
| 07:30.03 | rixth | Nuts. |
| 07:30.31 | creative | yes, but when i telnet localhost 143 |
| 07:30.55 | creative | it is showing telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 07:31.06 | ValheruLord | how can i test nvidia glx.. there must be a command |
| 07:31.14 | jm_ | glxgears |
| 07:31.15 | ke6isf | creative: Means that imap is inaccessible or not running. This isn't a Debian problem, it's an IMAP problem. |
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| 07:31.23 | starmax | hello |
| 07:31.44 | starmax | what's the command to install Open Office from internet ? |
| 07:31.59 | creative | ok, but when i checked apt-cache search imap it is showing imap as installed |
| 07:32.05 | tam | did anyone elses dist-upgrade in sarge wipe out gaim? |
| 07:32.08 | ke6isf | starmax: apt-cache search openoffice; apt-get install the results. |
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| 07:32.17 | starmax | aright |
| 07:32.28 | starmax | ke6isf, what the name for OO? |
| 07:32.34 | cat | hey i have a question when i make a gpg key how can i put it on my email on evolution |
| 07:32.36 | tam | s/sarge/sid |
| 07:32.38 | ke6isf | creative: did you do 'apt-get install imap'? |
| 07:32.51 | rob_lt | starmax, openoffice.org |
| 07:32.52 | ke6isf | starmax: Don't remember. that's why you do apt-cache search openoffice. |
| 07:32.56 | waqar | starmax: use openoffice.org2 from experimental |
| 07:33.00 | ke6isf | what rob_lt said. |
| 07:33.25 | starmax | aright thx |
| 07:33.28 | starmax | its installing |
| 07:33.28 | liable | waqar: erm, prolly not a good idea... for a newb. |
| 07:33.29 | starmax | ;) |
| 07:33.36 | creative | iam getting the following error when i did apt-get install imapd |
| 07:33.38 | ke6isf | creative: Last I checked (and I could be wrong), apt-cache doesn't tell you if something's installed, it tells you if a certain file exists for apt-get. |
| 07:33.43 | creative | apt-get install imap |
| 07:33.43 | creative | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 07:33.43 | creative | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 07:33.43 | creative | Package imap has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 07:33.43 | creative | This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |
| 07:33.44 | creative | never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents |
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| 07:34.08 | rob_lt | waqar, is it possible to have OOo1 and OOo2 installed at the same time? |
| 07:34.19 | starmax | hehe ;) |
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| 07:35.52 | ke6isf | creative: imapd doesn't exist. Try uw-imapd. |
| 07:36.31 | Teemu_K | 07/13/05 10:33:15 < ke6isf> starmax: apt-cache search openoffice; apt-get install the results. |
| 07:36.35 | Teemu_K | 07/13/05 10:33:22 >>> #debian, boguh [~user@gb186.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] |
| 07:36.38 | Teemu_K | fuckin mouse |
| 07:36.41 | quittt | where can I get Debian Buss? |
| 07:36.47 | quittt | Buzz |
| 07:36.50 | ke6isf | As such, the refused connection is that it's not running - and that it's not running is because it's not installed. =^^= |
| 07:37.05 | boguh | Teemu_K, ?? |
| 07:37.16 | ke6isf | boguh: I think his mouse sneezed. |
| 07:37.19 | creative | ok.. |
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| 07:37.43 | creative | so can i give it as apt-get install uw-imapd |
| 07:37.49 | Teemu_K | boguh: nothing, I just pushed my second mouseputton even I wanted to do so |
| 07:37.52 | ke6isf | creative: That is correct, yes. |
| 07:38.20 | creative | tx, and how to install a deb package with all its dependencies |
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| 07:38.29 | Teemu_K | :p |
| 07:38.33 | ke6isf | creative: apt-get takes care of that. |
| 07:39.10 | srbaker | is there an nvidia-glx package for 2.6 kernel? |
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| 07:40.19 | JeffH | where can I find the debian package 'orphaner'? It doesn't appear to be in the repository. |
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| 07:41.16 | rob_lt | JeffH, deborphan |
| 07:41.18 | tobiasz | Hi |
| 07:41.29 | tobiasz | How to downgrade from gcc-4 to gcc-3 ?? |
| 07:41.32 | rob_lt | deborphan provides orphaner |
| 07:42.14 | Coke | tobiasz: alternatives |
| 07:42.20 | JeffH | rob: yeah, I see that now.. didn't see that before.. thanks. |
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| 07:42.29 | tobiasz | Coke, update-alternatives ? |
| 07:42.37 | Hiruko | okay... |
| 07:42.46 | ttick | Which file contains my WiFi settings, like encryption password and such? |
| 07:42.49 | Coke | tobiasz: yep, check the manual pages for it. you can have several GCC versions present simultaneously. |
| 07:43.04 | rob_lt | JeffH, np |
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| 07:43.18 | Hiruko | I've tried recompiling my 2.6 kernel to support alsa with all sound cards and realtek 8139 network card. |
| 07:43.27 | Hiruko | I am having trouble with both alsa and 8139 |
| 07:43.34 | tobiasz | Coke, but how to installadditional version.. it says that I only have one whereas I also installed gcc-3.4 |
| 07:43.45 | JeffH | deborphan has to be one of the best tools around. |
| 07:43.48 | Hiruko | The hardware is detected, so I'm guessing this is not a driver problem |
| 07:43.55 | liable | ttick: either /etc/network/interfaces or wpasupplicant |
| 07:44.03 | ke6isf | JeffH: What's it do? |
| 07:44.03 | rob_lt | Hiruko, are the snd* modules installed? |
| 07:44.08 | ttick | liable: okay, thanks |
| 07:44.09 | Hiruko | Some patch or something that I am missing. THe few times I can connect to the network, i get pings of over 20k ping |
| 07:44.16 | Hiruko | rob_lt yes |
| 07:44.23 | liable | ttick: wpa or wep? |
| 07:44.36 | Coke | tobiasz: "it says"? what says? |
| 07:44.42 | rob_lt | Hiruko, did you install alsautils and use alsamixer to make sure none of the channels were muted? |
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| 07:44.48 | glick | hey is ubuntu really the most popular distro right now? |
| 07:44.50 | ttick | liable: wep |
| 07:44.50 | JeffH | ke6isf: it will tell you if a package has been installed due to a dependency and is no longer needed. |
| 07:44.52 | Hiruko | i get the device not found error |
| 07:45.06 | Coke | tobiasz: if you have installed gcc 3 and 4 then you have both 3 and 4 UNLESS they were in conflict with eachother, but that should have been mentioned during package installation. |
| 07:45.09 | ke6isf | JeffH: Ooh. =^^= |
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| 07:45.16 | rob_lt | Hiruko, there is alsa a "microphone detect" or something like that in alsamixer that must be muted (not just turned off) in alsamixer. |
| 07:45.22 | rob_lt | Hiruko, also, install alsa-oss |
| 07:46.07 | Hiruko | i've got that, i have this working in my 2.4 kernel, so i have those apps |
| 07:46.13 | tobiasz | Coke, the previous gcc was replaced by 4.x |
| 07:46.32 | glick | distro watch has it as number 1 but i dont know how they rate that |
| 07:46.35 | tobiasz | Coke, so I installed 3.x additionaly a few seconds ago.. |
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| 07:46.54 | mdh | Coke: they don't conflict |
| 07:47.04 | rob_lt | Hiruko, which 2.6 kernel? I've had a couple machines with no audio in 2.6.8, but everything working with 2.6.11 |
| 07:47.17 | mdh | Coke: but /usr/bin/gcc in unstable points to gcc-4.0 |
| 07:47.23 | tobiasz | mdh, previous gcc 3.x was replaced when upgrading.. |
| 07:47.29 | tobiasz | mdh, I am sure |
| 07:47.33 | mdh | tobiasz: bullshit |
| 07:47.34 | Hiruko | urgh |
| 07:47.42 | mdh | tobiasz: I have 4 versions of gcc installed |
| 07:47.48 | Hiruko | hmm |
| 07:47.49 | backtack | tobiasz : i have same issue but when i installed 4.0 it didnt remove 3.x |
| 07:47.56 | Hiruko | rob_lt can i pm you? |
| 07:48.09 | rob_lt | Hiruko, you can just grab 2.6.11 from packages.debian.org and install with dpkg -i. yes, feel free to message |
| 07:48.15 | mdh | tobiasz: either point /usr/bin/gcc at an earlier version, or "export CC=gcc-3.3" |
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| 07:51.40 | backtack | mdh : itried export command and gcc -v still says 4.0.1 |
| 07:51.50 | ke6isf | I have apt-get complaining that setiathome is partially installed. How do I deal with this? |
| 07:52.45 | waqar | backtack: as mdh said, just point /usr/bin/gcc to required version |
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| 07:53.05 | JeffH | what tool is available to see what has changed in a module BEFORE downloading and/or installing? |
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| 07:53.18 | tobiasz | backtack, update-alternatives --set /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 cc |
| 07:53.18 | tobiasz | No alternatives for /usr/bin/gcc-3.4. |
| 07:53.22 | waqar | anyone know of any mirror to kalyxo ? |
| 07:53.22 | Coke | mdh & tobiasz they are not replaced, this is what alternatives is about. |
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| 07:53.33 | cursillo | jmxcvb |
| 07:53.35 | cursillo | nmxcb vn |
| 07:53.47 | Coke | tobiasz: you should be able to figure it out by reading the man page for update-alternatives. |
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| 07:54.56 | sandip | is python-dev on testing broken? |
| 07:55.09 | sandip | python-dev: Depends: python2.3-dev (>= 2.3.4-18) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 07:55.48 | ke6isf | Disregard last question. |
| 07:55.55 | ke6isf | Disregard *my* last question, rather. |
| 07:55.57 | cbr | works for me sandip |
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| 07:56.26 | sandip | cbr: you have python2.3-dev in your sources? |
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| 07:57.19 | jm_ | hehehehe |
| 07:57.36 | aurax | anyone here using unrealircd? |
| 07:57.39 | cbr | lol |
| 07:57.46 | ke6isf | That's a first. |
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| 07:58.19 | tiroloco | hi |
| 07:58.28 | tiroloco | archive.debian.org is down? |
| 07:58.32 | jm_ | aurax: not me, I used dancer-ircd and now ircd-hybrid |
| 07:58.46 | jm_ | tiroloco: I haven't been able to connect to that site for ages |
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| 07:58.55 | ke6isf | tiroloco: What are you trying to do? |
| 07:59.30 | tiroloco | download potato binary cd1 |
| 07:59.41 | simonrvn | yeh... |
| 07:59.43 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:59.45 | tiroloco | if even this |
| 07:59.53 | fooz | why not just ban rima-tde.net |
| 07:59.56 | fooz | :) |
| 08:00.08 | ke6isf | tiroloco: *why* are you attempting to d/l potato?! It's old. |
| 08:00.19 | sandip | is it normal for dpkg to install inspite of dep problems? |
| 08:00.36 | liable | ke6isf: why not? |
| 08:01.03 | ke6isf | liable: It's a bit old... |
| 08:01.11 | tiroloco | ke6isf: yea |
| 08:01.14 | tiroloco | but I need it for tests |
| 08:01.17 | ke6isf | Ah. |
| 08:01.18 | tiroloco | :) |
| 08:01.21 | liable | ke6isf: maybe he/she just wants to play? |
| 08:01.28 | ke6isf | liable: Point, there. |
| 08:01.34 | karsten | What's the command to rescan the partition table after repartitioning, rather than rebooting? |
| 08:01.44 | tarzeau | huh |
| 08:01.45 | tarzeau | fdisk -l ? |
| 08:01.49 | fooz | no |
| 08:01.52 | tarzeau | run cfdisk again? |
| 08:01.58 | fooz | try sfdisk --re-read |
| 08:02.14 | fooz | or.. fdisk the drive, write the same partition table that it reads |
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| 08:02.42 | fooz | you can't re-read it while it's in use though |
| 08:03.03 | marcel | can somebody here tell me what the problem is with udev (or a solution), because the latest version should work with a <2.6.12 kernel, but udev wont fire up again. |
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| 08:03.08 | jm_ | karsten: fdisk usually signals this to the kernel itself using ioctls, but you can always use sfdisk -R |
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| 08:03.47 | karsten | jm_: Danke. |
| 08:03.49 | tiroloco | bye everyone! |
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| 08:04.00 | jm_ | marcel: I thought the very latest changes don't work with kernels < 2.6.12, this was explained on Debian Planet a while ago (there was a link to a post from one of the developers) |
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| 08:04.08 | KerPlunk | Does anyone know how big debian.org is? |
| 08:04.17 | KerPlunk | With all the packages...and source...and all the architectures.. |
| 08:04.19 | KerPlunk | The total size. |
| 08:04.28 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: about a cd |
| 08:04.31 | KerPlunk | 5TB? |
| 08:04.32 | tarzeau | oh, 100 gb |
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| 08:04.37 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.39 | KerPlunk | That's it? |
| 08:04.41 | karsten | KerPlunk: It's this big: -> <- |
| 08:04.41 | KerPlunk | Are you sure? |
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| 08:04.47 | marcel | jm_: I have checked the changelog for udev, and there was explained that it should work again |
| 08:04.55 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: more or less. mabye quite a bit more by now |
| 08:05.03 | fooz | debian.org is 10 letters long |
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| 08:05.19 | KerPlunk | . isn't a letter |
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| 08:05.21 | KerPlunk | It's a char |
| 08:05.22 | karsten | KerPlunk: There's some discussion of the size of mirrors on the ftp masters list. I think ~100 GB for a full mirror of all archs. |
| 08:05.26 | KerPlunk | So it's 9 letters long |
| 08:05.28 | Rucas | can anyone tell me what parameter to pass to the kernel to force ACPI support to be enabled? it is disabled by default on machines with an older bios, but mine does support acpi |
| 08:05.29 | ke6isf | KerPlunk: OK, it's ten *characters* long. |
| 08:05.35 | Blue9 | Then it's a 10 char array ;) |
| 08:05.37 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: it's punctuation to be precise |
| 08:05.39 | KerPlunk | karsten: Does that include source? |
| 08:05.41 | fooz | it's 10 8-bit bytes long |
| 08:05.45 | fooz | there :P |
| 08:06.01 | karsten | Rucas: man bootparam |
| 08:06.01 | jm_ | marcel: it was believed that it might, but I think it turned out it won't - there was soem flaming going on about it, you can read about that on Debian Planet too ;) |
| 08:06.04 | tarzeau | fooz: but you forget the \0 termination |
| 08:06.10 | Rucas | karsten: thanks |
| 08:06.13 | fooz | who said it was terminated? |
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| 08:06.27 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: it's not terminated ? |
| 08:06.34 | mdh | fuck |
| 08:06.35 | karsten | KerPlunk: Well, the source is the same over all arches, so it's relatively small compared to the 10+ arches supported. |
| 08:06.46 | tarzeau | fooz: it's not debian.org~Žž®¾ÎÞîþ.>N^n~Žž®¾ÎÞîþ.>N^n~Žž®¾ÎÞîþ.> after all |
| 08:06.56 | liable | eh |
| 08:07.11 | liable | engrish :P |
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| 08:07.28 | fooz | zzz |
| 08:07.37 | KerPlunk | Does that include all the extras like non-us contrib etc etc |
| 08:07.57 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: that's not debian |
| 08:08.00 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 08:08.00 | dpkg | from memory, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 08:08.08 | fooz | KerPlunk, you should download the entire debian archive and tell us the total size |
| 08:08.15 | KerPlunk | yea, that's what I want to know |
| 08:08.17 | backtack | tobiasz : i tried update-alternatives --set /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 cc and it didnt work so i tried update-alternatives --all and gcc did not come up any suggestions? |
| 08:08.21 | KerPlunk | The entire debian archive...how big is that |
| 08:08.21 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: GOOGLE! |
| 08:08.27 | KerPlunk | I did google |
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| 08:08.29 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: i told you damn. 100 gb |
| 08:08.33 | fooz | KerPlunk, it's probably less than 3 terabytes |
| 08:08.42 | pinko | I think I need something clarified. |
| 08:08.43 | marcel | jm_: oke will do that tonight. Whats the time planning for kernel 2.6.12 to come into unstable? |
| 08:08.47 | KerPlunk | More then 100 gigs though |
| 08:08.49 | KerPlunk | At least 500 gigs |
| 08:08.54 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: why 500 gigs? |
| 08:08.59 | fooz | who cares how big it is |
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| 08:09.03 | fooz | you don't need the entire thing |
| 08:09.04 | pinko | does the lack of a non-US mean that those packages are mixed in with the rest? |
| 08:09.05 | jm_ | marcel: I have no idea, I use kernels from kernel.org |
| 08:09.13 | fooz | you don't need to know how big it is unless you plan on mirroring it |
| 08:09.13 | tarzeau | DEBIAN.ORG that big! |
| 08:09.15 | tarzeau | happy? |
| 08:09.28 | JeffH | what precautions should be taken to ensure one's private key is not comprimised? |
| 08:09.31 | KerPlunk | I do plan on mirroring it... |
| 08:09.33 | KerPlunk | That's why I'm asking |
| 08:09.36 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: what country? |
| 08:09.37 | fooz | i've got the entire internet in my firefox cache |
| 08:09.40 | KerPlunk | New York |
| 08:09.46 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: we've got it mirrored |
| 08:09.49 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: it's about 100 gb |
| 08:09.59 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: doesn't ny already have official mirrors? |
| 08:10.12 | simonrvn | > DEBIAN.ORG < |
| 08:10.13 | KerPlunk | no |
| 08:10.15 | simonrvn | that big |
| 08:10.19 | marcel | jm_: I use to do that to, but I became a bit lazy lately with kernels ;) |
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| 08:10.44 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: can you read http://www.nl.debian.org/mirror/ |
| 08:11.07 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: http://www.nl.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 08:11.16 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: the whole thing |
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| 08:13.13 | waqar | any mirror for archive.kalyxo.org ? |
| 08:13.40 | tarzeau | waqar: stop that shit |
| 08:14.13 | NekkoChan | i just installed debian with a sarge cd that a friend gave me, but when i install kde its version 3.3, i want the newer version how do i get it? i did an apt-get update and upgrade but nothig newer |
| 08:14.26 | tarzeau | NekkoChan: yes you can't get that |
| 08:14.31 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:14.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:14.37 | tarzeau | NekkoChan: read that |
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| 08:15.38 | quittt | http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/screenshots/userview.php?login=quittt&pagina=1 |
| 08:15.50 | waqar | NekkoChan: goto http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs |
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| 08:17.47 | jm_ | quittt: what background is that? |
| 08:17.58 | quittt | I found it |
| 08:18.20 | quittt | liked it? |
| 08:18.22 | NekkoChan | thank you |
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| 08:18.32 | NekkoChan | are there anymore apt source that have more stuff? |
| 08:18.49 | Blue9 | http://www.apt-get.org |
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| 08:19.16 | streuner | !backports |
| 08:19.16 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:20.30 | mirak | is it possible to use a different gcc than the one provided with toolchain-source ? |
| 08:20.41 | Blue9 | The backports I've found seem to be older than the stuff in Sarge at the minute anyway. |
| 08:20.42 | Blue9 | :S |
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| 08:21.14 | backtack | trying to change gcc link to 3.3 tried : ln -sf /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 gcc and it did nothing how to i change a link target? |
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| 08:22.12 | mwilson | backtack: You don't. You have no reason to mess with that. |
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| 08:23.01 | NekkoChan | ok now for what i need to play dvds |
| 08:23.10 | backtack | mwilson : 4.0 is not working for me so i want to use 3.3 whats the prob? |
| 08:23.52 | mwilson | backtack: So use 3.3... why would you have to screw up the symlink for that? |
| 08:23.54 | Hiruko | hmm i have kernel 2.6.11 <== please keep this at fixing that kernel :) |
| 08:23.58 | Blue9 | NekkoChan, A dvd player |
| 08:24.09 | Hiruko | It says eth1: unknown hardware address type 24 when i try to bring up eth0 |
| 08:24.11 | NekkoChan | i mean for software |
| 08:24.17 | Blue9 | NekkoChan, totem or xine |
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| 08:24.27 | backtack | mwilson : that was advice given in this channel |
| 08:24.42 | mwilson | backtack: Does that matter? |
| 08:24.51 | backtack | mwilson : how do i use 3.3 then? |
| 08:24.53 | mirak | is it possible to use a different gcc than the one provided with toolchain-source ? |
| 08:25.17 | mwilson | rei $ gcc --version |
| 08:25.17 | mwilson | gcc.real (GCC) 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-1) |
| 08:25.33 | mwilson | rei $ gcc-3.3 --version |
| 08:25.33 | mwilson | gcc-3.3 (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-7) |
| 08:25.35 | simonrvn | gcc --version |
| 08:25.35 | simonrvn | gcc (GCC) 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2) |
| 08:25.35 | fooz | oooo new |
| 08:25.45 | mwilson | This is not rocket science. |
| 08:25.50 | fooz | mine's ancient! 4.0.0! i must upgrade! |
| 08:25.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:26.00 | mwilson | rei $ gcc-2.95 --version |
| 08:26.00 | mwilson | 2.95.4 |
| 08:26.10 | simonrvn | fooz: got my skipping problem fixed |
| 08:26.18 | fooz | simonrvn, how? |
| 08:26.25 | fooz | don't say "i switched back to macintosh" |
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| 08:26.41 | simonrvn | fooz: changed the dma= and installed realtime-lsm |
| 08:26.54 | fooz | the realtime thing helped? |
| 08:26.55 | aurax | jm_ can you compare ircd-hybrid to unreal ? |
| 08:27.01 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 08:27.06 | fooz | man, unstable's really going at full tilt |
| 08:27.10 | fooz | that's sweet |
| 08:27.13 | simonrvn | fooz: it is, innit |
| 08:27.23 | simonrvn | it's exciting again |
| 08:27.30 | mwilson | fooz: Yeah, it should shake out some of the stupids. |
| 08:27.33 | fooz | time to upgrade the mission critical servers! |
| 08:27.35 | fooz | w00t |
| 08:27.38 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 08:27.53 | jm_ | aurax: I have never used unrealircd, sorry |
| 08:27.56 | backtack | mwilson i know its not rocket science but im a noob can u just tell me the command to use 3.3? |
| 08:28.07 | aurax | how's hybrid, got ssl/hostmask etc? |
| 08:28.07 | Blue9 | backtack gcc3.3 ? |
| 08:28.09 | aurax | oper contorl.. |
| 08:28.10 | Hiruko | hmm i have kernel 2.6.11 <== please keep this at fixing that kernel :) |
| 08:28.13 | Hiruko | It says eth1: unknown hardware address type 24 when i try to bring up eth0 |
| 08:28.18 | backtack | Blue9 yes |
| 08:28.24 | Blue9 | No. |
| 08:28.28 | Blue9 | isn't the command gcc3.3 |
| 08:28.31 | mwilson | backtack: Apparently you can't read, either... as I just did. |
| 08:28.48 | backtack | mwilson is rei a command? |
| 08:28.55 | Blue9 | *sighs* |
| 08:28.57 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:29.03 | creative | #flood iam getting the following error when installing imapd |
| 08:29.11 | creative | #flood apt-get -f install uw-imapd |
| 08:29.12 | creative | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 08:29.12 | creative | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 08:29.12 | creative | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 08:29.12 | creative | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:29.12 | creative | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:29.13 | mwilson | But yet it thinks it should be using unstable. |
| 08:29.18 | Blue9 | backtack, the command for gcc is "gcc" therefore the comamnd for gcc3.3 would be ... |
| 08:29.24 | fooz | REI is a camping gear company |
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| 08:29.33 | fooz | hehe |
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| 08:29.54 | backtack | me brain is broke |
| 08:29.54 | Blue9 | It's like Seasame Street |
| 08:29.58 | NekkoChan | Rei is also that blue haired girl from Evangelion |
| 08:30.00 | Blue9 | backtack "gcc3.3" |
| 08:30.02 | Blue9 | ? |
| 08:30.04 | simonrvn | sesame |
| 08:30.09 | fooz | rei ayanami |
| 08:30.12 | Blue9 | simonrvn, yeah that one too :) |
| 08:30.14 | NekkoChan | yep! |
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| 08:30.39 | backtack | Blue9 : yes gcc3.3 |
| 08:30.48 | Blue9 | backtack, okay. |
| 08:30.51 | fooz | i haven't managed to watch all of that yet |
| 08:30.57 | fooz | it didn't grip me by the 2nd episode |
| 08:31.02 | fooz | and i'm easily distracted |
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| 08:32.24 | NET||abuse | What is bt-debian? |
| 08:32.32 | simonrvn | i suspect it's meant in the latin sense, of 'king', or 'lord' |
| 08:32.39 | NekkoChan | ok i copied an apt source but i think the address got formatted weird from the website |
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| 08:32.50 | Blue9 | NekkoChan, how come? |
| 08:32.50 | NekkoChan | deb [ftp.nerim.net] sarge main |
| 08:32.51 | NET||abuse | oh, nv mind |
| 08:32.55 | NekkoChan | is that address right? |
| 08:32.59 | NekkoChan | for dvd stuff |
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| 08:33.12 | NekkoChan | the other apt sources format looks different |
| 08:33.21 | Blue9 | then make it look like the others :) |
| 08:33.21 | fooz | and i'd just gotten done watching all of inuyasha and fullmetal alchemist in 3 days, so i needed a break |
| 08:33.38 | Blue9 | Fullmetal Alchemist, heh. My brother loves that. |
| 08:33.45 | fooz | fullmetal alchemist is awesome |
| 08:33.53 | Blue9 | Not seen it yet |
| 08:33.54 | waqar | NekkoChan: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
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| 08:34.05 | Blue9 | I've only just got round to watching chobits |
| 08:34.06 | Blue9 | lol |
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| 08:34.16 | fooz | you can see it on cartoon network, but i don't know if they've got it all yet. however, the dubbing is good quality at least |
| 08:34.43 | Blue9 | fooz, I don't have sattelite/cable |
| 08:34.43 | cbr | btw, if it says that can't authenticate marillat or smth, does it mean it doesnt include the packages in marillat? or is it just a warning? |
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| 08:35.13 | fooz | cbr, install gnupg and apt-get update again |
| 08:35.32 | cbr | i have it installed |
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| 08:35.55 | fooz | cbr, is marillat 3rd party debs? it might not be signed yet |
| 08:36.07 | fooz | i don't use any 3rd party apt sources |
| 08:36.10 | simonrvn | means marillat doesn't have a Release.gpg file |
| 08:36.10 | fooz | so i dunno |
| 08:36.11 | quitte | cbr it means that marillat either didnt sign his packages or you dont have his key in your debian keyring |
| 08:36.13 | phillijw | alright, im sitting here installing debian and the screen that asks what pacckages to install (where it gives you choices of WebServer, PrintServerr, Workstation, etc) and I accidentally hit enter instead of actually selecting any of these, can I go back to that screen somehow in the future? |
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| 08:37.41 | waqar | cbr: go to marillat's site. He gives instruction for adding the signature |
| 08:37.48 | Blue9 | d03boy, you can use aptitude/synaptic to install whatever you want later. |
| 08:38.04 | d03boy | but I dont think i wanna install all the packages one by one... |
| 08:38.09 | bob2 | d03boy: or "taskel" to get that list again |
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| 08:38.21 | d03boy | ok, i'll try tasksel |
| 08:38.25 | fooz | Blue9, but, i loved it. it doesn't degenerate into crap or anything. you won't expect what happens in the last few episodes |
| 08:38.28 | karsten | d03boy: You can install multiple packages at once. |
| 08:38.42 | d03boy | tasksel does the trick ... im at the exact same screen :P |
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| 08:39.49 | cbr | waqar, thanks, works now |
| 08:40.18 | NekkoChan | back new kde upgraded :) |
| 08:40.30 | NekkoChan | its not as pretty as my friends kde though |
| 08:40.46 | Blue9 | NekkoChan, change the theme then. |
| 08:41.04 | Blue9 | *cough*installgnome*cough* |
| 08:41.08 | NekkoChan | how do i get that wizard for kde that came up the first time in installed it? |
| 08:41.27 | fooz | guh |
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| 08:41.39 | fooz | desktop environments are all hideous. they make your screen look like windows. |
| 08:41.53 | d03boy | i like fluxbox because it has asolutely nothing on it |
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| 08:42.02 | fooz | Think Not The Same(TM) |
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| 08:42.54 | Blue9 | See now, I like gnome, it has buttons I can press that keep me amused for hours (but not too many) |
| 08:43.45 | NekkoChan | my apt broke |
| 08:43.52 | Blue9 | Oops |
| 08:43.58 | Blue9 | Did you drop it? |
| 08:44.02 | NekkoChan | it says Malformed line 9 in source list |
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| 08:44.06 | NekkoChan | yeah :P |
| 08:44.13 | Blue9 | NekkoChan, then check line 9 of your source list |
| 08:44.34 | NekkoChan | thats the one with the nerim |
| 08:44.38 | Blue9 | Ah. |
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| 08:45.10 | NekkoChan | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 08:45.15 | NekkoChan | did i copy it wrong? |
| 08:45.19 | waqar | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
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| 08:59.46 | bemused0 | Blue9, sarge is still on the 2.4 kernel tree tho correct? i'd have to use sid or upgrade sarge right? |
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| 08:59.47 | Blue9 | bemused0, I'm running sarge with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 08:59.50 | liable | bemused0: its an option at install |
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| 09:00.37 | bemused0 | sorry for being bothersome, i just installed slack , not quite liking the dependancy thing (not that im lazy, but automated dependancies is nice, and saves time) |
| 09:00.57 | bemused0 | i like slack, but they all seem to have this masochistic preoccupation with compiling everything...i like my binaries |
| 09:01.20 | Blue9 | bemused0, I agree, dependancy hell should (and can) be avoided. |
| 09:01.29 | Blue9 | bemused0, sounds like gentoo users to me :) |
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| 09:01.50 | bemused0 | we ran gentoo at my school labs for all of um.. 1 month they scurried back to fedora |
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| 09:02.17 | bemused0 | not like its a deal breaker, but is there a quick method to get kde 3.4 on sarge sans using konstruct |
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| 09:02.26 | liable | bemused0: try debian then. Come back in half an hour, once its installed :) |
| 09:02.35 | AnguS | hi there |
| 09:02.44 | bemused0 | liable: looking for a sarge mirror now for an iso ;) |
| 09:02.53 | bemused0 | besides, this is a base slack install, i dont mind wasting it |
| 09:02.56 | liable | !d-i bemused0 |
| 09:02.57 | dpkg | bemused0, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 09:03.08 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 09:03.10 | liable | bemused0: just for the url |
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| 09:03.29 | bemused0 | heh ya i actually just msg'd that bot |
| 09:03.33 | AnguS | i have trouble with the "bopm" package... i edited /etc/bopm.conf and /etc/init.d/bopm as described but when i start it nothing happens, it just doesn't want to start and doesn't give any erros. any idea what i should check for? |
| 09:03.42 | deadcat | is it possible to put a 16x16 image inside the list? http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/xwd_20050713_28865.png |
| 09:04.19 | deadcat | like a favicon.ico image |
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| 09:04.24 | Bilskinir | whos asking about bopm? |
| 09:04.25 | fooz | mwilson, i bet your kernel compiles are really fast using 2.95 |
| 09:04.35 | Blue9 | deadcat, is that a html list? |
| 09:05.07 | deadcat | Blue9: ya. in a form |
| 09:05.15 | Blue9 | No then. |
| 09:05.21 | deadcat | damn |
| 09:05.27 | aro | hi, im tryin to install an Xserver on a woody box but i got some errors at startx , "PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M" ans then at the end "fatal server error : could not open default font 'fixed'" , i try to look on the web but im really lost , if someone could help ... |
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| 09:05.52 | Blue9 | deadcat, soryr |
| 09:06.06 | Blue9 | You might be able to do something fancy with javascript/dhtml though |
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| 09:06.17 | d03boy | javascript is the devil |
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| 09:06.25 | deadcat | Blue9: just sometimes its hard to quickly select the site without the favicon ico (= |
| 09:07.43 | deadcat | Blue9: too fancy |
| 09:07.56 | aro | anyone, im really desperate ( lol ) ... |
| 09:08.01 | Blue9 | deadcat, then I don't know what else to say. |
| 09:08.09 | Blue9 | aro, you're still using Woody? |
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| 09:08.37 | aro | Blue9, yes because it in an enterprise and i can't update system without permission |
| 09:09.13 | Blue9 | aro, looks like some of your fonts aren't installed. |
| 09:09.30 | jm_ | aro: you can ignore that error |
| 09:09.39 | jm_ | aro: as for fixed - you can't ignore that ;) |
| 09:10.04 | jm_ | it means xfonts-base is not installed or something's not configured correctly |
| 09:10.26 | jm_ | might also need xfonts-base-transcoded |
| 09:10.32 | Blue9 | Hmm.. |
| 09:10.32 | Guerin | !find bin/startx sarge |
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| 09:10.38 | empty | aro, LOL So you *can* install a massive set of libs and binaries, but you *can't* keep the system on the latest stable release? |
| 09:10.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/startx' (2): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 09:11.03 | empty | aro, god bless corporate life |
| 09:11.35 | aro | empty, so agree |
| 09:12.17 | Blue9 | I take it to get support for more foreign languages in Gnome, I'd have to install the fonts? or is it a locale thing? |
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| 09:12.53 | possie | i have a mail file, with some base64 mime encoded string in it, now i want to decode that file to a normal file how can i do that from commandline? |
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| 09:13.23 | mdh | this is the pooch screw of all pooch screws ever pooched-screwed by pooches |
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| 09:13.56 | Blue9 | mdh: sounds like you should seperate your dogs. |
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| 09:14.28 | mdh | I'll shoot the dogs and get a killer penguin instead |
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| 09:14.38 | Blue9 | Sounds like a Plan. |
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| 09:14.48 | SNIa | oh joy, I hope I can get some help :) |
| 09:14.55 | SNIa | I am trying to install Mysql 4.1 |
| 09:14.56 | mdh | the company I work for has been aquired, this week, so we're still in the process of "being aquired" |
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| 09:15.25 | mdh | I need to visit a client. I get told its for all this week, at about 5pm last friday |
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| 09:20.54 | Blue9 | bemused0, no it was the guy who was just banned. |
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| 09:20.55 | bemused0 | oh lol just making sure |
| 09:21.06 | bob2 | mdh: out of town? |
| 09:21.41 | liable | !test |
| 09:21.41 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 09:21.49 | liable | dpkg: thanks |
| 09:21.49 | dpkg | that's ok |
| 09:22.27 | jimmy_ | hello, who can help me about some freenx's problems. |
| 09:23.02 | mina_linux_Tux | hey what's the diff between vfork() and fork() ? |
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| 09:23.48 | bob2 | just use fork |
| 09:24.03 | bob2 | vfork was an "optimised" version on bsd |
| 09:24.15 | bob2 | but fork is so fucking fast on linux that it doesn't matter |
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| 09:24.19 | mina_linux_Tux | bob2: not used on debian ? |
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| 09:24.26 | bob2 | don't use vfork anywhere |
| 09:24.37 | Guerin | huzzah, xorg works |
| 09:24.38 | bemused0 | can i expect alien to successfuly convert some nondistro specific RPM's that i HAVE to have? |
| 09:24.45 | mina_linux_Tux | bob2: wy don't use vfork() |
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| 09:24.52 | Guerin | bemused0: no. |
| 09:24.53 | bob2 | mina_linux_Tux: read the manpage, it explains why |
| 09:25.05 | mina_linux_Tux | bob2: ok |
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| 09:25.17 | Guerin | it was hairy, though - the first upgrade left out xbase-clients and xserver-xorg, and they had to be installed manually |
| 09:25.21 | dabo | hi there |
| 09:25.22 | james_ | I just installed the DRI drivers for my Intel vid card, but I don't know what Driver to put in the XF86Config file |
| 09:25.23 | liable | bemused0: get the source if you can. |
| 09:25.28 | james_ | Anyone know? |
| 09:25.29 | bob2 | james_: i810 |
| 09:25.30 | bemused0 | Guerin, is there another method for converting/installing rpm's on deb? (if i cant run Maya its a no go) |
| 09:25.36 | james_ | bob2 thanks |
| 09:25.49 | dabo | did anyone had a problem with setkeycodes and kernel 2.6.12? I get a segmentation fault |
| 09:26.07 | bemused0 | liable, its a commercial package, no source never no way no how :( |
| 09:26.26 | Guerin | bemused0: well, it's just a set of files. you can open the damn things up and make a tarball to put in /opt or somesuch. |
| 09:26.38 | bemused0 | quite true |
| 09:26.40 | Guerin | bemused0: they MIGHT work, though - the only way is to find out |
| 09:26.51 | Guerin | err |
| 09:26.56 | Guerin | the only way to find out is to try |
| 09:27.00 | bemused0 | ya i just wanted to hear you know, if it was complete bollucks before i go full-deb |
| 09:27.06 | Shadur | bemused0: Or try alien, then dpkg --contents the file and see if it puts stuff in places that aren't likely to break shit. |
| 09:27.39 | Guerin | well, some things won't install without trickery - like oracle needs to see a /etc/redhat_release file |
| 09:27.44 | dabo | did anyone did get a segmentation fault with setkeycodes? |
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| 09:27.54 | Guerin | dabo: seems you did |
| 09:27.55 | bemused0 | the package is known to work on debian, but i dont know how it was installed (there are no .deb's available from the company as far as i know) |
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| 09:28.39 | Guerin | bemused0: most probably alien, then. rpm is also available for debian, but it's not wise to use it, alien is a much better option (and actually uses rpm to do its rejiggery) |
| 09:28.57 | bemused0 | aah well thats good to hear |
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| 09:29.08 | bemused0 | i successfully used rpm2tgz to install it on slackware |
| 09:29.13 | bemused0 | so i guess there's hope |
| 09:29.18 | Guerin | woo, big deal |
| 09:29.30 | bemused0 | well, ya, exactly, thats why i'm asking |
| 09:29.40 | Guerin | slackware files are just a tarball with no management, no policy, no nothing |
| 09:29.42 | lilwade | this might be a stupid question, but is there any sweet games like racing games or anything like that for Debian ? |
| 09:29.45 | Blue9 | bemused0, alien shoul work fine |
| 09:29.49 | Guerin | lilwade: tuxracer |
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| 09:29.56 | Blue9 | lilwade, google search for the linux game tome |
| 09:30.00 | d03boy | anyone know if there's a command I can use to see my battery life for my laptop? |
| 09:30.02 | Blue9 | there are a few |
| 09:30.11 | liable | lilwade: neverball is ok, not racing though. |
| 09:30.16 | Guerin | d03boy: apt-cache search battery |
| 09:30.20 | bemused0 | Guerin, which is precisely my point, if an install from rpm>tgz (with no policy nothing) worked, i would think alien would too (but i dont know alien) |
| 09:30.21 | james_ | bob2, I put i810 as the driver under the XF86Config file and now GDM won't start up |
| 09:30.33 | Blue9 | bemused0, suck it and see. |
| 09:30.40 | lilwade | i tried installin tuxracer, but it said the game isnt being made anymore so it installed some stupid tux game where i go down a mountain on his belly |
| 09:30.45 | lilwade | catchin fish LOL |
| 09:30.50 | bemused0 | lol nice phrase |
| 09:30.54 | Blue9 | lilwade, that is tuxracer. |
| 09:31.00 | liable | haha |
| 09:31.02 | bob2 | james_: awesome |
| 09:31.03 | lilwade | the last tuxracer i saw was on a go kart |
| 09:31.07 | d03boy | oh, gkrellm, duh |
| 09:31.10 | james_ | bob2 yup |
| 09:31.10 | bob2 | maybe xfree86 doesn't have the i810 driver |
| 09:31.14 | bob2 | that would be pretty shit |
| 09:31.15 | bemused0 | tuxkart |
| 09:31.17 | bemused0 | :) |
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| 09:31.21 | Guerin | bemused0: well, the trouble is that slackware tarballs will happily overwrite each other's files and install anywhere you please - debs have file clobber protections and pre/postinst scripts and config file specifications and so on, which make it altogether more complicated. |
| 09:31.21 | liable | I think it does.. |
| 09:31.25 | lilwade | ahhh |
| 09:31.30 | lilwade | alright LOL thats the one then |
| 09:31.41 | lilwade | i wander if theres any sport compact games like tuner games |
| 09:31.44 | lilwade | ill google that |
| 09:31.45 | james_ | any ideas? i installed the drivers for my card, but i dont know their driver name |
| 09:31.57 | bemused0 | Guerin, ya, i wasnt trying to be like- yay go slackware, im trying to switch out of mandrake and im considering debian over slackware, which is why im here |
| 09:32.03 | Blue9 | lilwade: http://www.happypenguin.org/list?sort=category |
| 09:32.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:32.14 | bemused0 | but me gettng maya to work is the achilles heal of whether i use a linux distro |
| 09:32.24 | lilwade | thanks blue9 |
| 09:32.29 | Blue9 | np |
| 09:32.39 | p30n| | can someone answer me how i make my system support RAID as it is not compiled in to the kernel, i need to add it as a module |
| 09:32.41 | Guerin | bemused0: yeah, slackware's fine if you want to either make a system and never touch it again, or have a lot of work in maintaining stuff, but not much in between. |
| 09:32.52 | lilwade | OH man unreal tournament 2004 |
| 09:33.03 | Blue9 | lilwade, you need the game for it to work. |
| 09:33.09 | bemused0 | Guerin, ya, i figured that out, as i've been running slack for all of um... 2 hours now and I want out lol |
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| 09:33.18 | Blue9 | lilwade, if you want a FPS for linux try Enemy Territory |
| 09:33.18 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:33.20 | renegad3 | is it possible to connect to a cisco router console port (directly) through a normal nick and telnet/ssh? |
| 09:33.23 | sleon|tuX | i am trying to disable password auth and keyboard interactive auth in sshd, i set following in sshd_config: PasswordAuthentication no and ChallengeResponseAuthentication no , then i restarted ssh server but i still can login using my password(my goal is to allow only public key auth, because there are a lots of atacks on my system , which use dictionary attacks) |
| 09:33.23 | bemused0 | i wasnt looking for another linux hobby, i wanna USE it not maintain it |
| 09:33.24 | Guerin | well, at least it's easy to install |
| 09:33.25 | Blue9 | That's free as in beer. |
| 09:33.48 | Guerin | Blue9: do you not need rtcw to play it? |
| 09:33.53 | Blue9 | Guerin, nope |
| 09:33.53 | lilwade | i want to mainly get some racing games to wherei can tune cars and all |
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| 09:33.59 | Guerin | hah, sweet |
| 09:34.06 | bemused0 | Guerin, what you mean slack? hehe sure other than the fact i had to screen out of the installer and manually install/configure lilo 5 times before it wrote to the mbr |
| 09:34.13 | Blue9 | Guerin, It's pretty damn cool, especially the TC:E mod |
| 09:34.31 | Blue9 | lilwade, There are a couple, I couldn't tell you what they are called though |
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| 09:34.56 | Guerin | bemused0: heh. I did mine in a chroot using busybox from a howto found randomly on teh intarwebs and it took me all of 30 minutes. |
| 09:35.09 | p30n| | how do i install RAID support as a module on my sarge? could someone help me out |
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| 09:35.36 | bemused0 | Guerin, i'm not that leet yet, still semi noob |
| 09:35.41 | james_ | Q: Is there an easier way of setting up your monitor resolution and refreshrates than knowing your vert and hori refreshes? |
| 09:35.56 | bemused0 | lilwade, i'd suggest NFS2 underground racer on Cedega for that |
| 09:36.05 | Blue9 | james: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose simple for your monitor setup |
| 09:36.11 | bemused0 | rns very nicely |
| 09:36.18 | james_ | Blue9 ty |
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| 09:36.23 | Blue9 | james_, np |
| 09:36.51 | james_ | Blue9 for future reference, is there an easy way to figure out your vert and hori refresh rates? |
| 09:36.53 | Guerin | bemused0: no, that's the thing: it was just follow the instructions, and it worked. Simplicity itself. |
| 09:36.56 | Blue9 | james_, Google |
| 09:37.10 | james_ | Blue9 thanks again |
| 09:37.12 | bemused0 | Guerin, heh not on mine :( |
| 09:37.14 | Blue9 | james_, or the manual for your monitor. |
| 09:37.17 | Guerin | bemused0: much like debian, really. Except you end up with even less installed, and no package management |
| 09:37.30 | bemused0 | well, i can live with that |
| 09:37.31 | james_ | Blue9 its a laptop LCD screen |
| 09:37.41 | Blue9 | james_, Ah :) Google then. |
| 09:37.42 | james_ | Blue9 dont think they list it |
| 09:37.46 | liable | sleon|tuX: no to rhostsrssa too. |
| 09:38.05 | Blue9 | james_, your manufacturer should have the specs of the screen on their website. |
| 09:38.12 | Blue9 | james_, if they are feeling helpful. |
| 09:38.19 | Blue9 | james_, you could always ring tech support :P |
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| 09:38.21 | p30n| | how do i install RAID support as a module on my sarge? could someone help me out |
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| 09:38.36 | Blue9 | p30n|, without recompiling your kernel? |
| 09:38.46 | p30n| | yes, i would like it as a module |
| 09:38.51 | sleon|tuX | liable, thx |
| 09:38.51 | Blue9 | recompile your kernel? |
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| 09:39.02 | p30n| | because i dont want any downtime at all, and im not good at compiling kernels |
| 09:39.06 | Blue9 | ah. |
| 09:39.10 | p30n| | :p |
| 09:39.11 | EdibleText | the stock kernel-image does not have support? |
| 09:39.25 | Blue9 | EdibleText, I thought so. |
| 09:39.39 | dabo | i compiled a new kernel 2.6.12 and now i get a segmentation fault with setkeycodes - has anyone an idea? |
| 09:39.40 | sleon|tuX | liable, #RhostsRSAAuthentication no ? |
| 09:39.40 | Blue9 | p30n|, is your raid controller supported by the kernel? |
| 09:39.43 | sleon|tuX | liable, why? |
| 09:39.52 | p30n| | Blue9: i wanna make software raid |
| 09:39.54 | Blue9 | dabo, you compiled your kernel wrong? |
| 09:40.08 | p30n| | Blue9: but my raid cntrl should be supported yes |
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| 09:40.39 | p30n| | Blue9: but u see, i dont have any /proc/mdstat |
| 09:40.53 | dabo | Blue9, yeah i guessed that too, but what could it be? |
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| 09:41.18 | empty | I am unclear on something- sarge being stable means most packages are frozen- does that include kernel-image? |
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| 09:41.23 | liable | sleon|tuX: thats what I had to do to get key authentification only. For the reason why, read the docs. |
| 09:41.31 | Blue9 | p30n|, you should be able to do software raid as part of the sarge install, surely? |
| 09:42.03 | Blue9 | dabo, I have no idea. |
| 09:42.05 | p30n| | Blue9: but im not installing sarge now, i just want raid-0 on 4 discs in a already running system |
| 09:42.05 | YaleR | surely squared. |
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| 09:42.19 | Blue9 | p30n|, can you do that? |
| 09:42.22 | p30n| | Blue9: i cant ? |
| 09:42.23 | EdibleText | empty, typically only security updates. I would imagine that applies to a kernel-image*deb as well |
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| 09:42.36 | Blue9 | I don't know, I thought striping was destructive. |
| 09:42.46 | YaleR | only if you're ugly |
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| 09:43.02 | Blue9 | YaleR, or fat. |
| 09:43.03 | EdibleText | Blue9, you can get brass burn on the pole if you not careful |
| 09:43.03 | empty | EdibleText, thanks |
| 09:43.07 | Blue9 | lol :) |
| 09:43.09 | liable | LoginGraceTime 30 |
| 09:43.09 | liable | PermitRootLogin no |
| 09:43.09 | liable | StrictModes yes |
| 09:43.09 | liable | RSAAuthentication yes |
| 09:43.09 | sleon|tuX | liable, ok i did that, but i still have keyboard interactive... |
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| 09:43.16 | YaleR | Blue9: well, fat is defaulted to ugly. |
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| 09:43.35 | Blue9 | YaleR, You're standards are way too high ;) |
| 09:43.35 | liable | yah that was stupid |
| 09:43.37 | Blue9 | *Your |
| 09:43.43 | Blue9 | Dammit. |
| 09:43.50 | YaleR | Blue9: not really, no. |
| 09:43.57 | YaleR | maybe yours are too low |
| 09:43.59 | p30n| | Blue9: well, is this possible to do? i mean i seem to be missing only the raid support in the kernel, but i should be able to load it as a module, i just dont know how |
| 09:44.01 | YaleR | maybe if I was fat............. |
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| 09:44.09 | YaleR | or really ugly...... |
| 09:44.28 | EdibleText | nothing wrong with some chub |
| 09:44.30 | Blue9 | p30n|, What I mean is, setting up raid is destructive isn't it? I don't know if you can do it on a preconfigured system. |
| 09:44.45 | YaleR | EdibleText: chub != fat person |
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| 09:44.53 | Blue9 | fat != obese |
| 09:45.00 | YaleR | fat == gross |
| 09:45.02 | Blue9 | obese == fugly |
| 09:45.06 | YaleR | agreed. |
| 09:45.12 | YaleR | gross != fugly |
| 09:45.15 | YaleR | but pretty close |
| 09:45.17 | empty | obese .= "stinky" |
| 09:45.30 | kreg | when shopping for memory, how do you pickout "timing" |
| 09:45.30 | EdibleText | morbidly obese is unattactive |
| 09:45.38 | YaleR | lol |
| 09:45.41 | YaleR | to say the least. |
| 09:45.43 | Blue9 | ($girl == obese) ? puke : date; |
| 09:45.45 | Blue9 | ? |
| 09:45.46 | empty | EdibleText, s/morbidly// |
| 09:46.12 | YaleR | ah... I love #debian |
| 09:46.15 | EdibleText | but some fat chicks are realy cute and they feel real nice to the touch |
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| 09:46.19 | boguh | how can i force ls to show folder before files? |
| 09:46.22 | Blue9 | EdibleText, but fat != obese |
| 09:46.24 | empty | Blue9, I date in Perl, I can match more finegrained patterns than that :P |
| 09:46.31 | EdibleText | Blue9, agreed |
| 09:46.38 | p30n| | Blue9: well, i got the discs i want raided on sata and they are empty, and the os is running from a ide disc, still think its dangerous ? |
| 09:46.41 | YaleR | alright, it really comes down to the features. |
| 09:46.42 | Blue9 | empty, you regex your dates? |
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| 09:46.55 | Blue9 | p30n|, probably not. |
| 09:46.56 | EdibleText | I think yaler likes them skinny boish-types |
| 09:47.00 | empty | Blue9, always taint check |
| 09:47.01 | Blue9 | p30n|, gpartedit? |
| 09:47.05 | Blue9 | *gparted ? |
| 09:47.10 | p30n| | que? |
| 09:47.11 | Blue9 | empty, good plan. |
| 09:47.19 | p30n| | gpart ? |
| 09:47.37 | Blue9 | p30n|: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:47.45 | empty | Blue9, thankfully, I am married... -w was giving me many failures to compile |
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| 09:47.53 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 09:48.20 | raf256 | is there a program/script that scans all devices/partitions and mounts them (or just creates /mnt/* dirs for them)? sopmething like knoppix use by default |
| 09:48.32 | p30n| | Blue9: i dont have a monitor :p its totally ssh´d |
| 09:48.35 | YaleR | I run clamav on my dates.... |
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| 09:48.52 | empty | YaleR, gorgeous pun |
| 09:48.56 | YaleR | lol |
| 09:48.57 | YaleR | damn. |
| 09:49.02 | Blue9 | p30n|, then find an equvilient ;) |
| 09:49.02 | EdibleText | thats bad ;) |
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| 09:49.09 | YaleR | sorry, I'm way bad at the nerd puns. |
| 09:49.21 | alus | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 09:49.27 | Blue9 | alus, that's nice. |
| 09:49.28 | jm_ | not again |
| 09:49.32 | YaleR | call the police. |
| 09:49.33 | p30n| | Blue9: yea, but, that wont help me install raid support as a module huh? my kernel dont support raid, but i want it as a module, or something similar |
| 09:49.45 | Blue9 | p30n|, How do you know your kernel won't support raid? |
| 09:50.06 | p30n| | i dont have anything in /proc/mdstat |
| 09:50.06 | Irrumator | Hey guys. Anyone having a problem with libwxgtk2.4 depending on a library which conflicts with an xbase-clients dependency? |
| 09:50.11 | Irrumator | Something like that. Generally a big mess. |
| 09:50.12 | Blue9 | p30n|, the stock sarge kernel does support raid AFAIK. |
| 09:50.17 | YaleR | Irrumator: yes! |
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| 09:50.20 | alus | so I was thinking, maybe you should display a warning to the user with a recommendation on how to fix it |
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| 09:50.23 | Irrumator | This is sid with the new xorg deal. |
| 09:50.28 | alus | that's "shouldn't" |
| 09:50.35 | YaleR | Irrumator: it's due to C++ junk |
| 09:50.35 | Irrumator | YaleR: Ah, cool. So it's not only me. Guess they'll solve it eventually. |
| 09:50.40 | YaleR | it will all be sorted out shortly |
| 09:50.45 | Irrumator | *nod* |
| 09:50.45 | YaleR | shit needs to be recompiled |
| 09:50.45 | empty | Irrumator, dude, sid. Deal with it :P |
| 09:50.47 | aro | hi , when I startx i got the following error : 'PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M', can anyone help me about that ? |
| 09:50.54 | Blue9 | alus, it does tell you what to do, it's saying - do you trust these packages? if so, find the bloomin' public key ;) |
| 09:50.56 | p30n| | Blue9: well anyway i can know for sure ? someone told me that if u dont have anything in /proc/mdstat u dont have raid-support |
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| 09:51.02 | Blue9 | aro, ignore it. |
| 09:51.05 | Irrumator | empty: Figured. Just wanted to know if there's anyone else or is it just me. |
| 09:51.15 | alus | Blue9: it doesn't say anything about public keys |
| 09:51.17 | Blue9 | p30n|, find a partition editor and see if you can set up raid. |
| 09:51.28 | Blue9 | alus, it says it can't authenticate the packages. |
| 09:51.35 | p30n| | Blue9: i thought bout using mdadm, and i have that isntalled |
| 09:51.42 | alus | right. authenticate with what? where? |
| 09:51.52 | alus | how, for that matter |
| 09:51.53 | Blue9 | alus, with a public key, from the person who hosts the mirror. |
| 09:51.58 | eye69 | p30n|: Still not finished? |
| 09:52.04 | p30n| | eye69: no =( |
| 09:52.07 | Blue9 | alus, if you trust them. |
| 09:52.09 | liable | alus: for what repo? |
| 09:52.11 | Blue9 | alus, if not.. ignore it. |
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| 09:52.12 | alus | Blue9: where does it say that? |
| 09:52.14 | p30n| | eye69: im guessing i dont have raid support in the kernel |
| 09:52.18 | Blue9 | alus, it doesn't, but I am. :) |
| 09:52.21 | alus | liable: I don't know, it doesn't say |
| 09:52.22 | liable | alus: dont run sid.... |
| 09:52.23 | eye69 | p30n|: That's quite possible. |
| 09:52.28 | eye69 | p30n|: Just have to recompile then. |
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| 09:52.39 | Blue9 | eye69, I thought raid support was in the stock kernels? |
| 09:52.47 | p30n| | eye69: and im trying to get someone to tell me how to install it as a module, because i dont want to recomile the kernel |
| 09:52.47 | liable | alus: you have marillat in the repo's? |
| 09:52.48 | alus | I don't think my running sid is the problem here. I think someone has a bad warning message |
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| 09:52.59 | eye69 | Blue9: Dunno. I never keep the stock kernel. |
| 09:53.14 | liable | alus: of course it fucking is. Its anew apt feature you goose.... |
| 09:53.14 | Blue9 | alus, If you are running sid alus, you should understand how apt works. |
| 09:53.18 | alus | liable: no |
| 09:53.36 | liable | alus: are you running sid? |
| 09:53.47 | alus | yes |
| 09:54.07 | liable | alus: right. |
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| 09:54.34 | james_ | What video driver whould i load for this obile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family |
| 09:54.35 | Blue9 | If your running sid, do you need anything other than the standard repos? |
| 09:54.42 | Blue9 | james_, google |
| 09:54.49 | p30n| | eye69: could u tell me how i can install raid support as a module instead ? |
| 09:55.07 | alus | Blue9: I don't know |
| 09:55.10 | jm_ | james_: i810 crap |
| 09:55.25 | liable | alus: what repo's do you have, other than debian.org? |
| 09:55.33 | empty | Blue9, I see raid modules in my /lib dirs |
| 09:55.34 | james_ | jm_ for some reason, gdm wont start if i select i810 |
| 09:56.06 | Blue9 | james_, does it give you any errors? |
| 09:56.07 | empty | in /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/kernel/drivers/md/ |
| 09:56.08 | alus | liable: one at mit.edu, one at kernel.org |
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| 09:56.33 | Blue9 | alus, why do you have those extra ones? (or is this something you need for sid) |
| 09:56.39 | EdibleText | p30n|, if you plan on during this stuff for a while you may want to take the time to learn how to compile your kernel. make-kpkg makes it even easier.. |
| 09:56.55 | liable | alus: well, if you dont download there key (if they have one), whenever you get stuff from them, you will get that warning. |
| 09:56.56 | jm_ | james_: you might need newer X, i.e. X.org |
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| 09:57.57 | bemused0 | i hope this isnt too stupid... should i need much more than the first two disks to get base system +x (seems stupid but the only mention i find in the installguide is ..shouldnt need more than the first 3 cd;s" |
| 09:58.14 | nicknicknick | hey what's the best way to limit the bandwith of each client to 1Mbit/sec using apache2? |
| 09:58.14 | Blue9 | bemused0, why not use the netinstall ? |
| 09:58.27 | liable | bemused0: iso1 will give you gnome and kde, dunno about other wm's |
| 09:58.44 | bemused0 | Blue9, im thinking about it? would i need to know a mirror/path a head of time, or does the installer program offer up a list? |
| 09:58.50 | Blue9 | bemused0, nope |
| 09:58.54 | Blue9 | It offers a list |
| 09:58.59 | bemused0 | haha woah |
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| 09:59.01 | bemused0 | thats just too easy |
| 09:59.08 | Blue9 | You just sorta poke it in the right places when it asks you things |
| 09:59.22 | bemused0 | well hmm |
| 09:59.27 | bemused0 | okay i was waiting for iso 2 to download |
| 09:59.38 | bemused0 | but i could probably get the netinstall image faster |
| 09:59.41 | Blue9 | yeah |
| 09:59.58 | alus | Blue9: I've had them for awhile, the mit source has ipv6 packages for sid, and the kernel stuff has sid packages as well, don't know which |
| 09:59.59 | Guerin | businesscard is ~30mb |
| 10:00.00 | Blue9 | On my 512 adsl, the netinstall takes about 2 hours. |
| 10:00.08 | alus | anyway, where might I get their public key? |
| 10:00.21 | Blue9 | alus, from their website? |
| 10:00.23 | liable | alus: try there website. |
| 10:00.32 | bemused0 | Blue9, is ther emuch repeated interaction with the installer? or could i pick my packages and go take a nap? (its 6am here) |
| 10:00.49 | Blue9 | bemused0, once you've picked your packages, you can take a nap for a couple of hours |
| 10:00.55 | alus | hm |
| 10:00.57 | Blue9 | bemused0, it's exactly what I did :) |
| 10:01.00 | alus | ok |
| 10:01.01 | alus | thanks |
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| 10:01.05 | bemused0 | haha rad. dude im all over that. |
| 10:01.09 | bemused0 | netinst. it is |
| 10:01.15 | Guerin | best thing to do is install screen and irssi-text first, then the rest |
| 10:01.15 | Blue9 | bemused0, once they've downloaded you have to set a couple up, but it'll just wait for you to wake up ;) |
| 10:01.23 | Guerin | or nethack is the other traditional cone |
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| 10:02.43 | dagg | hello |
| 10:03.37 | bemused0 | ya i was reading all thru the docs trying to find out 'whats the bare minimum i need to get x' |
| 10:04.23 | Guerin | bemused0: x-window-system-core openbox urxvt would be my pick |
| 10:04.31 | Guerin | even openbox is a bit luxurious |
| 10:04.40 | bemused0 | never used openbox |
| 10:04.52 | bemused0 | fluxbox and blackbox i liked as alternatives to kde |
| 10:04.59 | cbr | openbox <3 |
| 10:04.59 | Blue9 | bemused0, evilwm is quite good :) |
| 10:05.07 | Guerin | evilwm is great! |
| 10:05.09 | bemused0 | evilwm? thats a new one on me |
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| 10:05.14 | YaleR | KDE 3.4.1 rocks. |
| 10:05.20 | Blue9 | I know someone who knows the person who wrote it. |
| 10:05.24 | Blue9 | My claim to fame hehe |
| 10:05.24 | bemused0 | ya i had kde3.4.1 via konstruct on my mandrake install |
| 10:05.29 | bemused0 | but im trying to run away from the drake |
| 10:05.36 | Blue9 | http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/ |
| 10:05.41 | YaleR | Mandy |
| 10:05.43 | Blue9 | bemused0, use Gnome ;) |
| 10:05.50 | bemused0 | booo on gnome |
| 10:05.51 | bemused0 | hehe |
| 10:05.56 | YaleR | gnome is for mac users |
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| 10:06.03 | Blue9 | and KDE is for windows users. |
| 10:06.08 | YaleR | damn. you got me. |
| 10:06.11 | bemused0 | lol |
| 10:06.18 | bemused0 | well |
| 10:06.23 | bemused0 | okay im reading all this xkb info |
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| 10:07.03 | Rashak | Hi all! |
| 10:07.03 | Blue9 | bemused0, if you just wanna get it to install a working system with minimal interaction, you can just choose the "desktop" option in the install |
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| 10:07.31 | bemused0 | and this isnt at all debian specific i cant seem to find a way to disable the meta+mb1 move's windows thing without A. remappnig my meta key to something else or B. disabling "meta" altogether, but that wont solve my problem |
| 10:07.33 | intero | to solve the key issue with apt, in case the mirror i am using offer no key, is there a pkg i should install or so? |
| 10:07.41 | YaleR | is evilwm for REAL? |
| 10:07.42 | bemused0 | Blue9, i dont mind some interaction, im just getting sleepy heh |
| 10:08.01 | Rashak | Is there a good soul who can explain me something about amd64 porting please ? |
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| 10:08.50 | Guerin | YaleR: very much so. |
| 10:08.50 | Blue9 | YaleR, yeah |
| 10:08.54 | bemused0 | kde has that nice handy checkbox for disabling meta+mouse1 and i remember something similar in fluxbox |
| 10:08.54 | Blue9 | It's about 90k or something stupid |
| 10:08.55 | EdibleText | bemused0, then choose the pick manual option; then choose not to install anything.. when you wake up you can decide what you want |
| 10:09.01 | Guerin | i'd send you a screenshot |
| 10:09.03 | Guerin | but there's not much to see |
| 10:09.16 | bemused0 | EdibleText, geeze man i'm not THAT sleepy heheh |
| 10:09.30 | YaleR | omg! I thought it was a windows users joke about fluxbox/blackbox/openbox/afterstep/afterstep2/icewm |
| 10:09.40 | Guerin | wtflol! |
| 10:09.46 | bemused0 | haha |
| 10:09.51 | EdibleText | bemused0, just lookin out.. you may install KDE or something |
| 10:09.59 | EdibleText | because of drowsyness |
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| 10:10.05 | Blue9 | :S |
| 10:10.07 | Blue9 | Don't do that. |
| 10:10.10 | bemused0 | haha |
| 10:10.13 | bemused0 | well |
| 10:10.16 | bemused0 | as of right now |
| 10:10.19 | Blue9 | You know.. Gnome is very nice :) |
| 10:10.22 | EdibleText | heh |
| 10:10.26 | bemused0 | kde /flux box are the only ways i know how to fix my meta key issue |
| 10:10.32 | bemused0 | unfortuneately |
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| 10:10.39 | Guerin | bemused0: which meta key issue is this? |
| 10:10.43 | YaleR | I use kde/flux |
| 10:10.43 | bemused0 | i just want alt + anything to do, NOTHING at all |
| 10:10.48 | arvind | I installed php4-gd but imagerotate doesn't work http://80.61.67.150/apache2-default/test.php |
| 10:10.48 | YaleR | but kde 3.3 is shit compared to 3.4 |
| 10:10.52 | bemused0 | ie alt + mb1 moves windows etc. |
| 10:10.57 | raf256 | hmm can someone help me quickly to share my interent connection from one debian box to another? using iptables... I usualy read man but Im quite in a hurry today :/ ...? |
| 10:11.17 | Guerin | bemused0: oh, that's the case in evilwm, too |
| 10:11.24 | bemused0 | i need alt + all 3 mouse buttons to be unbound so i can use them in Maya |
| 10:11.27 | Guerin | bemused0: openbox is infinitely configurable, though |
| 10:11.41 | raf256 | box1 have internet connection on hda1 and is connected via it's hda2 to box2, box2 is connected using it's hda0 to box1. How to share? |
| 10:11.43 | bemused0 | Guerin, which is why ive been looking into xkbconfig and xkeys and etc. |
| 10:11.44 | YaleR | bemused0: ooooohhhhhhhh ahhhhh |
| 10:11.57 | raf256 | inet --eth0-- box1 --eth2------eth0-- box2 |
| 10:12.01 | bemused0 | YaleR, you know how to fix that? |
| 10:12.08 | YaleR | well, in which wm? |
| 10:12.15 | bemused0 | any? |
| 10:12.15 | Blue9 | raf256, samba? |
| 10:12.21 | bemused0 | i like eyecandy |
| 10:12.24 | bemused0 | but i gotta use Maya |
| 10:12.28 | raf256 | Blue9: why samba? I just want to share inet connection to box2 |
| 10:12.32 | Blue9 | bemused0, it'll be in Gnome somewhere. |
| 10:12.39 | YaleR | bemused0: hmm... |
| 10:12.39 | Blue9 | raf256, Ohhh sorry I see. |
| 10:12.39 | raf256 | Blue9: there was sometihng about iptables postrouting etc |
| 10:12.49 | Blue9 | raf256, firestarter will do it as an option ;) |
| 10:12.51 | YaleR | well I'm surprised its not in fluxbox keys |
| 10:12.54 | YaleR | it should be |
| 10:13.08 | raf256 | firestarter... some iptables builder? you use it? |
| 10:13.08 | YaleR | I'll check kde keythingie |
| 10:13.14 | Blue9 | raf256, yeah I have used it |
| 10:13.19 | mina_linux_Tux | how to monitor network bandwidth from debian? |
| 10:13.20 | bemused0 | Blue9, what'd i'd really like to find is the method gnome/kde others use to disable that button/click combo but looking thro xorg and xkb config files never told me much besides that the binding wasnt being disabled there |
| 10:13.22 | Blue9 | raf256, Kde and Gnome both have options to do it too :) |
| 10:13.25 | raf256 | so anyone knows how to do it via iptables |
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| 10:13.36 | raf256 | Blu... ok I have kde.. what next? |
| 10:13.45 | nksen | how do I enable python-support to my apache? that is. how do I install the file mod_python? |
| 10:13.51 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:13.55 | Rashak | raf256: I use this to share ONLY the connection: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 10:13.57 | Guerin | don't use a kde firewall gui |
| 10:14.02 | Guerin | use firehol or something |
| 10:14.09 | intero | to solve the key issue with apt, in case the mirror i am using offer no key, is there a pkg i should install or so? |
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| 10:14.27 | Guerin | intero: nope. if they offer no key, there's nothing you can do |
| 10:14.42 | intero | thanks Guerin |
| 10:14.54 | Blue9 | raf256, look in your kcontrol for internet sharing |
| 10:15.00 | Blue9 | I dunno, I don't use KDE :) |
| 10:15.09 | raf256 | resiak: eth0 ? inet--<-eth0-box1-eth2->....<-eth0--box2 now I set up box1:eth2 and box2:eth0 to have static 10.55.55.100 and .101 IPs |
| 10:15.19 | mina_linux_Tux | how to monitor network bandwidth , may someone point me to guide ? |
| 10:15.29 | Blue9 | mina_linux_Tux, ntop |
| 10:15.37 | Blue9 | ? |
| 10:15.39 | EdibleText | raf256, do as Rashak suggests but also do 'echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' |
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| 10:15.57 | Guerin | christ, what's wrong with you people |
| 10:15.59 | EdibleText | raf256, and edit /etc/network/options |
| 10:16.06 | raf256 | EdibleText: ok... I dont have to specyfie nowhere "eth2" ? only eth0 (interfaces that is realy connected to inet)? |
| 10:16.07 | mina_linux_Tux | Blue9: what's ntop |
| 10:16.18 | Blue9 | mina_linux_Tux, A program that might do what you want |
| 10:16.20 | Guerin | don't use a desktop environment's firewall, use a real firewall which won't do stupid things and break when you change desktops |
| 10:16.21 | bemused0 | so assuming i can live with the bloat of kde heheh is there kde3.4.* binary out for sarge? or would i have to compile (in which case i'd probably live without it, konstruct took like 6 hours on this machine) |
| 10:16.29 | Blue9 | Guerin, like IPcop? |
| 10:16.32 | YaleR | bemused0: can't find it :/ |
| 10:16.33 | EdibleText | raf256, -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j SNAT --to $INET_IP |
| 10:16.38 | nicknicknick | dpkg |
| 10:16.41 | Guerin | Blue9: no, like a standalone iptables front |
| 10:16.42 | EdibleText | raf256, you fill the veriables |
| 10:16.49 | EdibleText | raf256, ass apporpriate |
| 10:16.56 | EdibleText | as even |
| 10:16.57 | Blue9 | Guerin, Oh like firestarter or something. |
| 10:16.58 | Guerin | bemused0: /topic discusses kde3.4 |
| 10:17.04 | mina_linux_Tux | Blue9: i know top , but this ntop - command not found , is it a debian package , can i install it with apt-get |
| 10:17.16 | raf256 | EdibleText: thanx \o/ and where do I set the box1:eth2 to use ips 10.55.55.100 in local lan between both boxes? |
| 10:17.19 | Blue9 | mina_linux_Tux: http://www.ntop.org/ |
| 10:17.23 | bemused0 | Guerin, heh good call havent read it since joining :) |
| 10:17.37 | bemused0 | shame on me |
| 10:17.58 | EdibleText | raf256, typically you run a dhcpd on the internal interface.. if thats what your asking |
| 10:18.00 | bemused0 | and looks like dpkg says thats a no |
| 10:18.05 | Guerin | bemused0: /msg dpkg topicsmite me # if you're catholic |
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| 10:18.18 | Blue9 | brb |
| 10:18.18 | Rashak | raf256: /etc/network/interfaces...if everything is static |
| 10:18.19 | resiak | raf256: Rashak != resiak |
| 10:18.29 | bemused0 | lol |
| 10:18.32 | bemused0 | naaa |
| 10:18.36 | Guerin | bemused0: there are kde3.4 packages on alioth someplace - google for them |
| 10:18.37 | nicknicknick | dpkg !+ mod_throttle |
| 10:18.39 | raf256 | EdibleText: hmm I would rather just setup static IPs, box1:eth2=10.0.0.100 and box2:eth0=10.0.0.101 is it a good idea? |
| 10:18.43 | nicknicknick | :/ |
| 10:18.46 | nicknicknick | !+ mod_throttle |
| 10:18.50 | raf256 | !nicksmite nicknicknick |
| 10:18.50 | d03boy | Would it be ok to install mplayer using this method although I am in sarge? http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html |
| 10:18.59 | bemused0 | Guerin, i am thats why i asked :) |
| 10:18.59 | EdibleText | raf256, as Rashak suggested ^^ |
| 10:19.00 | raf256 | there should be such a smite |
| 10:19.02 | Guerin | nicknicknick: you want to know about mod_throttle |
| 10:19.06 | nicknicknick | yes |
| 10:19.18 | Guerin | nicknicknick: what's wrong with httpd.apache.org? |
| 10:19.22 | dagg | hello |
| 10:19.27 | Guerin | is their webserver down? |
| 10:19.30 | nicknicknick | I want to know the debian package name |
| 10:19.43 | d03boy | apt-cache search throttle..? |
| 10:19.46 | Guerin | nicknicknick: aptitude search apache throttle |
| 10:19.56 | dagg | how can I findout info wbout my windows partitions? |
| 10:20.00 | jm_ | d03boy: try /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 10:20.17 | raf256 | ok, done |
| 10:20.31 | d03boy | jm_, already did... my choices are either to use the merillat version (already did, but its broken and unsupported) or else build my own .deb which I dont know how to do |
| 10:20.33 | nicknicknick | can't really find it using apt-cache. Uhm I did: apt-cache search throttle allready and the result: |
| 10:20.33 | nicknicknick | jftpgw - Joe's FTP Proxy/Gateway |
| 10:20.34 | nicknicknick | libroxen-hubbethrottle - Bandwidth throttle module for the Roxen Challenger web server |
| 10:20.56 | EdibleText | raf256, you can uses those, I usually make the 'gateway' for the internal LAN end in .1 but thats just me... |
| 10:21.22 | EdibleText | raf256, you using a crossover cable? |
| 10:21.34 | Maliuta | d03boy: that method will work, it's simillar to what i do |
| 10:21.36 | raf256 | EdibleText: yes, both boexes can ping eachother, no problem with that |
| 10:21.51 | d03boy | Maliuta, ok, thanks |
| 10:21.52 | raf256 | EdibleText: ok, the shared box have ip4forwarding turned on (echo and /etc/network/options) |
| 10:21.53 | liable | !nickometer nicknicknick |
| 10:21.53 | dpkg | 'nicknicknick' is 0.000% lame, liable |
| 10:21.58 | Maliuta | d03boy: i would consider getting the codecs from the mplayer site though |
| 10:22.01 | liable | gah :( |
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| 10:22.11 | fman | hey all |
| 10:22.13 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 10:22.13 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 10:22.14 | d03boy | Maliuta, ok, i'll do that |
| 10:22.17 | YaleR | liable: do me do me |
| 10:22.18 | cinix | hello :) |
| 10:22.19 | fman | anyone able to help me build a kernel module |
| 10:22.24 | bemused0 | heh that's an amusing bot. |
| 10:22.26 | fman | under debianppc |
| 10:22.28 | raf256 | EdibleText: and it have iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $ethI -j SNAT --to $ethR ethI(itnernet)=eth0 ethR=eth2 |
| 10:22.30 | dagg | how can I findout info wbout my windows partitions? |
| 10:22.33 | fman | damn unresolved symbols |
| 10:22.34 | Maliuta | d03boy: look at the README in the source and think about what you might like to compile in :) |
| 10:22.55 | YaleR | dagg: what KIND of info? |
| 10:22.55 | nksen | how to install mod_python on apache? |
| 10:22.55 | d03boy | ok |
| 10:22.55 | jm_ | d03boy: how is it broken? it works great for me |
| 10:22.56 | raf256 | EdibleText: is it ok? now how to set it up on the other box (to with I want to give inet access)? pinging inet from it == "Network is unreachab;e" |
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| 10:23.08 | dagg | info for mounting |
| 10:23.17 | cinix | fman, have you tried the debian way? m-a a-i zaptel ? |
| 10:23.17 | YaleR | well... I could tell you that :P |
| 10:23.19 | bemused0 | k well thnx for the help guys imma go reboot and install deb. see how it goes |
| 10:23.20 | EdibleText | raf256, well all you need to get ot work (minimal) is the iptables rule and the value "1" for /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:23.21 | YaleR | all you need |
| 10:23.23 | fman | yep |
| 10:23.32 | EdibleText | raf256, and pingable interfaces |
| 10:23.35 | d03boy | jm_, well I keep getting a font error that i suppose I could just look up and fix.. |
| 10:23.40 | cinix | what did that tell you? |
| 10:23.40 | fman | clnix thats the first thing I did |
| 10:23.56 | raf256 | EdibleText: ok I did that... now to setup the box2. It can ping box1 but not inet, guess I have to config box1:intrfaces settings to use box1 as gateway? |
| 10:23.58 | fman | I'm running 2.4.27-powerpc and m-a pulled down the headers for me |
| 10:23.58 | bemused0 | Much appreciated to all, Thnx Blue9 and Guerin YaleR et al |
| 10:23.58 | YaleR | dagg: mount /dev/hd?? -t filesystem (vfat or ntfs) /mnt/mount/location |
| 10:23.59 | cinix | Yea I figured :) |
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| 10:24.07 | fman | how can I be sure they are the correct headers? |
| 10:24.08 | EdibleText | raf256, be sure to edit /etc/network/options so that the value 1 persists between boots... |
| 10:24.17 | Rashak | raf256: remember to add your box1 as default gw for box2 |
| 10:24.17 | raf256 | EdibleText: I did |
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| 10:24.25 | m0th | hi people |
| 10:24.32 | dagg | ok, but I cant seem to findout on what hd it is on |
| 10:24.39 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
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| 10:24.50 | Rydekull | !ops ElSOl |
| 10:24.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ElSOl |
| 10:24.52 | Guerin | !ops ElSOl beatings |
| 10:24.52 | raf256 | ElSOl: you are a gay nigger indeed. now get lost |
| 10:24.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ElSOl beatings |
| 10:24.56 | nksen | where are the debian python coders? |
| 10:24.59 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.01 | EdibleText | raf256, and you can put the iptables rule in /etc/init.d/ and make a runlevel symlink with update-rc.d |
| 10:25.01 | Rydekull | Guerin: ;) |
| 10:25.02 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.08 | OleMoudi | !ops ElSOl |
| 10:25.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ElSOl |
| 10:25.10 | Guerin | raf256: you're very liable to get booted for that comment, too |
| 10:25.12 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.13 | liable | yay, moron. |
| 10:25.13 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.14 | jm_ | d03boy: ahh I grabbed fonts from their web page and put them in ~/.mplayer/fonts |
| 10:25.16 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.19 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.22 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.22 | raf256 | Guerin: oh joy \o/ ok then I stop. |
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| 10:25.25 | ElSOl | !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! Fuck ASC ... Fuck Freenode ... proxy powered ... !! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !!!! #securityhack !! |
| 10:25.26 | nicknicknick | nice |
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| 10:25.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 10:25.36 | EdibleText | ignore ElSOl |
| 10:25.42 | Guerin | bob2: pwn |
| 10:25.51 | liable | jesus christ. thanks bob2 |
| 10:25.53 | raf256 | EdibleText: I use my script in /etc/network/firewal and I added it to interface "up" rule :) |
| 10:25.57 | raf256 | !beer bob2 |
| 10:26.09 | jm_ | d03boy: but I ddidn't need this by default - it workes fine without it |
| 10:26.09 | m0th | well i got some apt-get probs here; installed xorg packages from ubuntu on sarge - since yesterday there seem to be a lot of updated xorg packages on debian itself. problem is, apt-get refuses to upgrade properly due to a lot of unmet dependencies. |
| 10:26.16 | m0th | so how do i force apt-get to remove packages? |
| 10:26.16 | EdibleText | raf256, however it get invoked at boot. works |
| 10:26.19 | raf256 | they are few ppl on this channel, why not ban creator of it? |
| 10:26.19 | d03boy | jm_, ok |
| 10:26.34 | m0th | apt-get -f remove ... always tries to resolve dependecy conflicts |
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| 10:27.09 | raf256 | so on box2:interfaces I have to add ..... gw {adress of box1} ? like gw 10.55.55.100 ? |
| 10:27.19 | waqar | moth: use dpkg with forcing options |
| 10:27.34 | OleMoudi | is there a testing net-install cd, or if I want testing I must install first stable and then upgrade? |
| 10:27.37 | bob2 | Coopers! |
| 10:27.37 | bob2 | Coopers Heritage is the nicest beer I've had all month |
| 10:27.46 | m0th | waqar, sounds easy :) |
| 10:27.52 | liable | bah, overated homebrew :P |
| 10:28.00 | nksen | in which package do I find the mod_python.so to include to apache? |
| 10:28.11 | EdibleText | raf256, yeah on box 2 (internal) you can add the gateway info in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:28.13 | Rashak | raf256: gateway instead of gw...but yes exactly that |
| 10:28.30 | Guerin | :( |
| 10:28.35 | liable | hahaha |
| 10:28.38 | raf256 | Rashak: EdibleText ok. do i have to edit "routing" then or is it done by calling ifup automaticly? |
| 10:28.44 | raf256 | !pal Guerin |
| 10:28.47 | Guerin | and it's SUMMER and it's fucking hot |
| 10:28.50 | bob2 | nksen: libapache-mod-python |
| 10:29.01 | Guerin | hrm, mod_throttle doesn't appear to be in debian |
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| 10:29.16 | nicknicknick | Guerin see? :/ |
| 10:29.20 | Guerin | raf256: that's because twelve year-olds aren't aloowed to drink beer |
| 10:29.22 | Rashak | routing ? hemmm....what is it ? AFAIK it is done automatically on ifup |
| 10:29.24 | Guerin | nicknicknick: right you are. |
| 10:29.34 | liable | Guerin: medication and beer is *good* :) |
| 10:29.35 | raf256 | Guerin: yes, that is indeed your problem. |
| 10:29.37 | Guerin | nicknicknick: this is very odd. |
| 10:29.39 | EdibleText | raf256, the routing is handles by the 'gateway 10.0.0.100' rule on box2 |
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| 10:29.42 | raf256 | (btw I dont drink coz I dont like ;) |
| 10:29.44 | nicknicknick | it is that's why |
| 10:29.51 | m0th | any way to use wildcards to remove a bunch of packages using dpkg at once? |
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| 10:30.11 | nicknicknick | I mean like why is there apt and why are there .debs? To make life easy |
| 10:30.11 | Guerin | liable: not this stuff ... gives me nightmares and makes me not sleep |
| 10:30.27 | Guerin | nicknicknick: right. it might be incorporated into another package, i dunno. |
| 10:30.29 | Guerin | research |
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| 10:30.43 | liable | Guerin: nightmares, really, hardcore. |
| 10:30.45 | nicknicknick | well that's what I was doing |
| 10:30.52 | nicknicknick | I'll google further |
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| 10:31.19 | shining | are there any non gui for listening to a radio stream (ogg or mp3) ? |
| 10:31.26 | Guerin | shining: mplayer |
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| 10:31.52 | EdibleText | shining, mplayer, mpg321 as well.. |
| 10:32.06 | shining | Guerin: hmm yes, I knew it, but there arent any in official repo? |
| 10:32.10 | shining | ha mpg321 |
| 10:32.16 | m0th | shining, vlc too if compiled with ncurses |
| 10:32.38 | liable | Guerin: that comment was missing two ?, btw, wasnt ripping the piss.. (this time :) |
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| 10:32.56 | raf256 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $ethI -j SNAT --to $ethR |
| 10:32.58 | Guerin | liable: yeah, it ain't fun. |
| 10:32.59 | shining | m0th: ok thx |
| 10:33.02 | raf256 | Bad argument `SNAT' |
| 10:33.03 | raf256 | .... |
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| 10:33.45 | Rashak | raf256: instead of SNAT try to put -j MASQUERADE |
| 10:34.07 | shining | m0th: hmm wait, debian packages arent compiled with ncurses? |
| 10:34.15 | Rashak | raf256: it is slightly slower but if you have a dynamic ip it is easier to use |
| 10:34.15 | EdibleText | raf256, MASQUERADE (or however its spelled) you may need kernel support for SNAT |
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| 10:35.37 | Guerin | shining: some are, vlc isn't. nor is xine, annoyingly. |
| 10:35.50 | Guerin | fucking xine needs an x server to play MUSIC, would you believe |
| 10:36.00 | fman | guys, is it OK if I post the kernel module error I'm having here |
| 10:36.06 | fman | 4 lines |
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| 10:36.13 | Guerin | even with -V none --no-splash --no-gui |
| 10:36.21 | Guerin | fman: no |
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| 10:36.27 | liable | fman: no. post in #flood |
| 10:36.28 | snadge | preliminary reports on the x.org merge in sid? :P |
| 10:36.32 | Guerin | !flood |
| 10:36.32 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 10:36.41 | fman | anyone want to look at it if I post in flood? |
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| 10:36.53 | d03boy | fman, just do it |
| 10:36.54 | Guerin | fman: put it on a paster, that way we can look when we want to |
| 10:36.59 | shining | Guerin: yep thats funny |
| 10:37.04 | nicknicknick | hmm I keep getting this: 12371 www-data 16 0 0 0 0 Z 0.7 0.0 0:00.06 apache2 <defunct> |
| 10:37.09 | fman | well, there it is |
| 10:37.18 | Guerin | shining: which is why mplayer is the king of media players, even though it's not in debian |
| 10:37.22 | fman | this is straight after m-a finished with it |
| 10:37.39 | liable | snadge: just get it, deal if it breaks :P |
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| 10:37.51 | shining | Guerin: but for mp3 or ogg files, I know other progs like mp3blaster, mpc/mpd and moc |
| 10:38.16 | snadge | liable, i've got a few friends who run sid.. im going to get them to do it first ;) |
| 10:38.18 | Guerin | shining: mpc/mpd is cool, cplay is also cool, but neither are great shakes when it comes to streams, last I noted |
| 10:38.19 | shining | Guerin: but its right that mplayer do all that, and more |
| 10:38.29 | liable | snadge: hehe, good idea :) |
| 10:38.31 | shining | ok, I'll add marillay rep |
| 10:38.37 | shining | oops marillat |
| 10:38.44 | raf256 | EdibleText: Bad argument `MASQUERADE |
| 10:38.49 | shining | its still the best way for getting mplayer? |
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| 10:38.59 | Guerin | snadge: a bit hairy, but functional once a couple of packages were installed manually on one box. |
| 10:39.03 | liable | raf256: use fireholl, shorewall. |
| 10:39.10 | Guerin | snadge: second box should be ready in a minute or two |
| 10:39.15 | antgel | i asked this on #courier but it's dead so i'm taking it here: |
| 10:39.27 | antgel | hi all, i have authdaemon set to use the authpam module to authenticate. my pam is set to use ldap. login works fine, but when i try to authenticate with pop or imap, login fails. |
| 10:39.36 | antgel | pop and imap work fine with users in /etc/passwd, btw |
| 10:39.46 | Guerin | snadge: by functional i mean 'works perfectly now' |
| 10:39.47 | antgel | can anyone give me a hand in diagnosing this? |
| 10:39.51 | Rashak | raf256: try to do: modprobe ip_conntrack |
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| 10:39.56 | EdibleText | raf256, wierd yoou may need kernel-support, I compile my own and make all the modules. I am not sure about stock-kernel |
| 10:40.04 | mjw | Hi. Any hints on the X.org package upgrade? Is there a FAQ with breakage tips? |
| 10:40.04 | Guerin | antgel: god, i do not envy you. |
| 10:40.22 | EdibleText | I supprised they dont autoload.. |
| 10:40.24 | waqar | Guerin: libglu1-xorg xaused konqueror to be removed with few other apps |
| 10:40.25 | raf256 | EdibleText: Rashak hmm wait |
| 10:40.28 | jm_ | mjw: checked BTS? |
| 10:40.34 | liable | Guerin: xserver-xorg, should, have to be manually gotten, shouldnt it? |
| 10:40.38 | Rashak | raf256, EdibleText: stock kernel has full support for this...i use only stock kernels (I am lazy) :) |
| 10:40.40 | antgel | Guerin: why? did you know that i used to have long hair but am now going bald? |
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| 10:40.49 | Guerin | waqar: sounds like a c++ thing |
| 10:40.51 | mjw | jm_, No. Thanks. Should have done first. |
| 10:40.55 | sciboy | Hiya, am i right in thinking that "Invalid Module Format" means its needs to be done with a different version compiler? Cause, i did "export CC=gcc-3.3" but the drivers i compiled still bring up this issue., |
| 10:40.57 | ctd | Hi everyone, my system crashed during an apt-get install (was up to running dpkg, iirc) and now /var/lib/dpkg/available seems corrupt (parse error... near line 1: EOF after field name `'). |
| 10:40.59 | Guerin | antgel: heh. |
| 10:41.01 | EdibleText | raf256, yeah then load the modules ;) |
| 10:41.10 | jm_ | mjw: so far I have only heard people being happy |
| 10:41.11 | waqar | \help quote |
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| 10:41.13 | ctd | Anyone know how I might be able to fix that up? |
| 10:41.17 | Guerin | antgel: i didn't lose any of that on my kde box yet |
| 10:41.21 | jm_ | ctd: /msg dpkg available |
| 10:41.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:41.25 | Guerin | waqar: ^^^ |
| 10:41.35 | resiak | Hahah, ctd's box is _still_ dead. |
| 10:41.42 | antgel | Guerin: you probably have some program like KHair |
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| 10:42.15 | ctd | dselect, great. :| |
| 10:42.17 | ctd | jm_: danke. |
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| 10:42.23 | sciboy | Ello? |
| 10:42.28 | Guerin | antgel: heh, no, that comment was meant for waqar. My hair has grown back since I did sasl/sql auth with postfix :) |
| 10:42.30 | p30n| | could someone take a look at a few lines on from my bash ? |
| 10:42.33 | p30n| | please |
| 10:42.38 | p30n| | my hdd is acting weird |
| 10:42.43 | Guerin | mjw: ran fairly smooth for me - there's a bug against xdm, 'unable to log in' I'll confirm or deny in a minute |
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| 10:42.59 | p30n| | it wont show anything on ls but still i can enter dirs, that "arent" there |
| 10:43.05 | jm_ | sciboy: IIRC peterS submitted a patch for kernel's Makefile which lets you do make CC=gcc-bla, but I also remember there being a variable named HOSTCC |
| 10:43.42 | Guerin | you can use CC=foo with make-kpkg, as an environment variable |
| 10:43.59 | Guerin | i know this, because i've used it with distcc |
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| 10:43.59 | Rashak | EdibleText, raf256: It's my lunch time...bye! |
| 10:44.06 | raf256 | Rashak: by :/ |
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| 10:44.21 | sciboy | I'm compiling the linuxwacom drivers (from the official site) and installing it the dirty way. |
| 10:44.35 | antgel | how do i ask dpkg what sasl is? |
| 10:44.36 | jm_ | well then you should check their build system |
| 10:45.04 | Guerin | antgel: /msg dpkg sasl |
| 10:45.08 | antgel | :) |
| 10:45.26 | EdibleText | raf256, apt-get install modconf; use that for loading modules |
| 10:45.46 | sciboy | I exported "CC=gcc-3.3" configure appears to pick it up, make, make install, modprobe wacom, "Invalid Module Format" |
| 10:45.48 | antgel | Guerin: that refers to smtp - i'm coming from an imap/pop point of view |
| 10:46.00 | sciboy | I'm using the stock kernel, 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 10:46.12 | Guerin | antgel: yes, but it still needs authdaemon to talk to pam to talk to a database |
| 10:46.17 | Dundermusen | Heya fellas... I recently installed Debian sarge on my homeserver... and have been looking for an good encryption tool for encryting my hdd's... only special folders like /home I can't find any that is anygood... the best i found was some with 64bit encryption :S |
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| 10:46.28 | FieldySnuts | !folders |
| 10:46.28 | dpkg | in non-moronic language, directories |
| 10:46.29 | Guerin | antgel: the rube goldber authentication machine |
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| 10:47.18 | p30n| | whats the most common fsck variables used to check if the disk is ok or not ? |
| 10:47.50 | wishie | i have a program to update my TV guide for xmltv, and it works perfectly if i run it manually, but when i put it in cron, it runs, but says "listing is bad" why would this happen ? |
| 10:47.54 | shining | any idea why I can't scroll up inside screen? |
| 10:48.19 | EdibleText | shining, ctrl-a ctrl-ESC |
| 10:48.22 | Guerin | bah, i overwrote a config file i needed to not overwrite |
| 10:48.29 | sciboy | "wacom: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" |
| 10:48.43 | sciboy | ... Any idea what this is? |
| 10:48.51 | jm_ | sciboy: did you install matching kernel-headers? |
| 10:49.10 | sciboy | jm_: Yup. |
| 10:49.17 | waqar | sciboy: try with -f |
| 10:49.28 | jm_ | sciboy: and no other crap in /usr/src, like custom kernel that wacom driver will pick up? |
| 10:50.12 | sciboy | jm_: /usr/src/linux is pointing to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 10:50.26 | shining | EdibleText: and then? |
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| 10:50.44 | shining | EdibleText: this open my wm menu |
| 10:50.50 | jm_ | sciboy: and did wacom realize and used it? are you now running this kernel? |
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| 10:50.55 | liable | sciboy: whats the build dir, in /lib/modules point to? |
| 10:50.57 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: backups backups... grin |
| 10:51.02 | etele | hi all |
| 10:51.05 | zth_ | what's the original chmod setting for /var? |
| 10:51.13 | drac | sciboy: Install module-assistant instead, and compile/install wacom with 'm-a a-i wacom-kernel' or maybe it's just 'm-a a-i wacom' |
| 10:51.21 | etele | can somebody help me? |
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| 10:51.26 | sciboy | drac: Doesn't work for me. |
| 10:51.28 | EdibleText | shining, use the arrowkeys |
| 10:51.29 | etele | I need some help in building kernel |
| 10:51.34 | drac | sciboy: Oh. Sorry to hear that :\ |
| 10:51.46 | jim | !sicco |
| 10:51.46 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 10:51.48 | sciboy | It did with 2.6.10 though ;) |
| 10:52.05 | EdibleText | shining, it should say 'Copy Mode' on the bottom left |
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| 10:52.26 | sciboy | liable: Care to educate me as to what this "build dir" is? |
| 10:52.40 | etele | I need some help in building kernel |
| 10:52.58 | jim | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 10:52.58 | dpkg | from memory, cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevent information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 10:52.58 | liable | sciboy: its just a symlink to your headers. |
| 10:52.58 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: kernel howto? |
| 10:52.58 | dpkg | kernel howto is, like, at /usr/doc/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.gz, or ask me about kernel-package, or http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=532&page=1 |
| 10:53.01 | jm_ | sciboy: it's a symlink, ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 10:53.14 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: bless .dpkg.old files :) |
| 10:53.22 | EdibleText | shining, are you using 'screen' or did you use the word 'screen' but were not referring to the program 'screen'? |
| 10:53.27 | Guerin | !beer gravity |
| 10:53.29 | sciboy | "build -> /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686" |
| 10:53.33 | Guerin | it work3d! |
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| 10:53.50 | etele | I have a problem with the mouse in the new kernel |
| 10:54.01 | shining | EdibleText: I'm using the program screen, yes :) |
| 10:54.04 | etele | I compiled in the mouse support |
| 10:54.40 | etele | the GPM says Detected EXPS/2 protocol mouse. |
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| 10:54.43 | shining | EdibleText: I can scroll up with maj+pgup in a normal term |
| 10:54.49 | etele | bat it isn't moveing |
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| 10:55.13 | raf256 | I call script set.sh from main.sh, I want set.sh to set variable foo=bar, and then to read this var in main.sh like echp $foo ... how to do this?? |
| 10:55.18 | raf256 | "export" dont seem to work |
| 10:55.31 | jm_ | shining: screen has it's own buffer for that |
| 10:55.41 | jm_ | raf256: source, read ABS |
| 10:55.42 | raf256 | doesnt bash have somewthing like "include"? |
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| 10:55.46 | sciboy | I'm still puzzled, it appears to compiling with everything right... GCC3.3 and the required kernel-headers. |
| 10:55.47 | jim | raf256: man bash, read up on source and . |
| 10:55.51 | EdibleText | shining, oh well under fluxbox in an xterm running screen I hit "ctrl-a then ctrl-esc" and that puts me in 'copy mode' I can then scroll screens buffer with tthe arrowkeys |
| 10:55.53 | raf256 | jm_: waht ABS? |
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| 10:56.01 | jm_ | raf256: /msg dpkg abs |
| 10:56.20 | jim | or better, info bash |
| 10:56.42 | raf256 | jm_: omfg, Im in a hurry.... cant you just gave me then example of syntax. |
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| 10:56.44 | shining | EdibleText: ok |
| 10:56.56 | shining | EdibleText: maybe wmaker is just crap :) |
| 10:57.16 | EdibleText | shining, dunno.. perhaps |
| 10:57.21 | jim | raf256: syntax is located in the SYNOPSIS section of man pages |
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| 10:57.39 | raf256 | jim: this suck |
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| 10:57.50 | jim | and yet, it's there :) |
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| 10:58.07 | jm_ | raf256: man page for bash has syntax for it |
| 10:58.25 | raf256 | jm_: that sucks as well, I dont have a week to do it |
| 10:58.28 | sciboy | Should i be worried? -> "*** Warning: "cleanup_module" [/home/sciboy/downloads/linuxwacom-0.6.8/src/2.6.11/wacom.ko] undefined!" |
| 10:58.42 | raf256 | jm_: I read, used export, but didnt work |
| 10:58.44 | sciboy | and "*** Warning: "init_module" [/home/sciboy/downloads/linuxwacom-0.6.8/src/2.6.11/wacom.ko] undefined!" |
| 10:58.55 | jm_ | raf256: that's why pager has a search command to find given text |
| 10:58.58 | raf256 | "[12:58] <Hue-Bond> source /path/to/vars.sh" <-- now he was helpful. shame on you |
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| 10:59.02 | jim | raf256: I told you what to read up on, have you done it yet? |
| 10:59.11 | liable | !warning |
| 10:59.11 | dpkg | ************************************** WARNING ************************************ |
| 10:59.16 | liable | bah |
| 10:59.18 | raf256 | heh |
| 10:59.19 | mjw | For the record. I seem to have found my problem: |
| 10:59.21 | mjw | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318015 |
| 10:59.24 | ctd | sciboy: means the module isn't built for your running kernel. |
| 10:59.28 | mjw | xserver-xorg: dies in preinst due to debconf bug |
| 10:59.36 | liable | whats that factoid... |
| 10:59.38 | jm_ | nice |
| 10:59.48 | EdibleText | raf256, make a script; eth0=1.2.4.6 \n eth2=2.3.5.6 \n iptables -t nat POOBAH -o $eth0 -j WHATEVER --to $eth2 |
| 10:59.58 | EdibleText | raf256, put that in /etc/init.d/ |
| 11:00.13 | EdibleText | raf256, symlink a to runlevel |
| 11:00.25 | sciboy | ctd: Can't be possible, running it with --with-kernel=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 11:00.29 | jim | raf256: btw, you crossed the line with me when you said you were in a hurry... effectively, you compared your time favorably to mine |
| 11:00.42 | Guerin | dpkg, no, warning is <reply> see warnings |
| 11:00.42 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 11:00.43 | liable | !warnings |
| 11:00.43 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 11:01.05 | raf256 | EdibleText: brb, im testing it |
| 11:01.20 | liable | Guerin: bah, beat me too it. |
| 11:01.37 | raf256 | jim: sorry, I only ment - that giving small but working example, is much better and shorter then "look up man" :) |
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| 11:01.55 | jm_ | raf256: no it's not |
| 11:01.58 | raf256 | jim: two words: source foo.sh - and I know how to do it. |
| 11:02.13 | raf256 | its shorter then: read man about source (and much faster) |
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| 11:02.28 | raf256 | but thanx anyway jim jm_ |
| 11:02.37 | jim | raf256: if you don't, you remain dependent. and I don't really give a shit whether you read or not... either you learn or you don't learn |
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| 11:03.14 | raf256 | jim: well, I usually do read mans, but on IRC if you know the answer you might gave me example as well - I will then read more on it and/or figure it out on my own |
| 11:03.22 | jim | fuck that |
| 11:03.33 | jim | I am NO ONE's private tutor. |
| 11:03.38 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.45 | jim | find your own answers |
| 11:04.27 | Gnea | heh |
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| 11:05.01 | jim | most of the helpees here refuse to learn on their own... as far as I'm concerned, they'll be sorry they didn't |
| 11:05.04 | light_punch2 | debian is on kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 11:05.14 | Gnea | raf256: yeah that's how it works around here - you don't go begging someone for the answer just because "they might know it" they might but not know what you're talking about, and sitting there trying to flog people on the issue isn't gonna get you anywhere good |
| 11:05.15 | fatal__ | light_punch2: both |
| 11:05.17 | Gnea | light_punch2: both |
| 11:05.18 | liable | both |
| 11:05.39 | liable | third place... weeee |
| 11:05.39 | EdibleText | yes |
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| 11:05.45 | Gnea | raf256: otoh they probably don't know |
| 11:05.47 | light_punch2 | heehe |
| 11:05.50 | shining | I think the default is still 2.4 at install |
| 11:05.54 | shining | or am I wrong? |
| 11:06.02 | liable | no your right. |
| 11:06.04 | ska-fan | How would I go about recompiling the current unstable postgresql packages? |
| 11:06.10 | Gnea | but 2.6 is an option |
| 11:06.13 | liable | weeee first place :P |
| 11:06.16 | shining | I've to do an expert install only for that |
| 11:06.21 | liable | no |
| 11:06.27 | liable | linux26 |
| 11:06.35 | light_punch2 | distrowatch says it's on 2.4.27 for debian 3.1 |
| 11:06.40 | jim | Gnea: I even pinpointed where he should read... if he's not willing to do it, fuck him, and may he be welcome to my ignore list |
| 11:06.41 | EdibleText | ska-fan, with knowledge and patience presumably |
| 11:06.41 | Gnea | !tell ska-fan about source |
| 11:06.50 | shining | hmm, maybe my cd was brothen then |
| 11:06.56 | shining | broken |
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| 11:07.09 | Gnea | jim: he's been continuously doing this for weeks |
| 11:07.33 | jim | then he should already be on my and many other's ignore... |
| 11:07.41 | jm_ | ;) |
| 11:07.51 | Gnea | well he plays the game y'know ;) |
| 11:08.09 | jim | I busted his game :P |
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| 11:08.12 | shining | or maybe I tried kernel26 instead of linux26. I did read the help though |
| 11:08.21 | light_punch2 | how many cd.iso should i download? |
| 11:08.27 | shining | one |
| 11:08.31 | yaarg | 10 |
| 11:08.32 | light_punch2 | there are 14 iso total |
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| 11:08.44 | jim | light_punch2: none |
| 11:08.45 | shining | light_punch2: how do you get the net? |
| 11:08.48 | yaarg | 15 |
| 11:08.56 | sciboy | I prefer using the debian installer =P |
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| 11:09.16 | liable | light_punch2: read the docs at debian.org, unless i'm mistaken, its actually explained there.. |
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| 11:09.25 | light_punch2 | shining, you my internet access method? |
| 11:09.37 | delirium | how do I make aliases for the superuser ? for a regular user you can do that in .bash_profile I think, but root doesn't have this file |
| 11:10.06 | yaarg | .profile |
| 11:10.16 | sciboy | Its still compiling with gcc4?!?!! "wacom: version magic '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-3.3'" |
| 11:10.23 | jim | delirium: you don't want to do that... just as you don't want to be logged in as root most of the time... only if you're fixing somethign that can't be fixed otherwise |
| 11:10.25 | yaarg | afaicr |
| 11:10.31 | shining | light_punch2: read the doc and use debian installer if you can |
| 11:10.49 | jharrison | sciboy: that wont help |
| 11:10.57 | raf256 | !smite configure |
| 11:10.57 | jm_ | sciboy: it means you're not using the same kernel |
| 11:10.57 | liable | root has a .bashrc. |
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| 11:11.16 | sciboy | jharrison: I know it won't, but it helps me relax being able to blame something other than myself =) |
| 11:11.18 | Gil | hooray for xorg packages |
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| 11:11.25 | delirium | jim : I don't want to log in with root, but su to root under a regular account, does the .profile thing still work then ? |
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| 11:11.41 | jharrison | Gil: thats so yesterday man ;) |
| 11:11.48 | und0 | Gil: no breakage? =) |
| 11:11.57 | jharrison | breakage? |
| 11:11.58 | Gil | und0: nothing that 10 hours of solid work couldn't fix! |
| 11:12.03 | OleMoudi | light_punch2, I suggest using the netinstall cd, but if you need to install from cd's I think the first two of the 14 will be enough |
| 11:12.05 | jm_ | there is possible breakage, someone reported it 10 minutes ago |
| 11:12.07 | jharrison | xorg works fine for me |
| 11:12.16 | und0 | Gil: =) |
| 11:12.16 | sciboy | jm_: I thought it meant it was still using the wrong version of GCC =P |
| 11:12.16 | jharrison | running it since last night |
| 11:13.01 | jm_ | sciboy: sorry, yeah gcc |
| 11:13.01 | sciboy | When did Xorg come in? |
| 11:13.01 | yaarg | 1943 |
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| 11:13.01 | liable | I think its mostly nvidia breakage.. |
| 11:13.01 | Gil | I have xorg, but I have an ATi card so I can't have both direct rendering and composite extension it seems :( |
| 11:13.02 | jim | you shouldn't be sourcing profiles other than root's because some user profile could be trying to get root access... without your permission that is |
| 11:13.11 | und0 | Gil: i've the afternoon off, i could go outside and relax under the sun or i can try xorg, difficult choice... |
| 11:13.19 | cbr | can konsole handle composite? |
| 11:13.22 | light_punch2 | OleMoudi, i am to install from hard drive, and download 3 ISO cds. |
| 11:13.33 | Gil | cbr: i think there are patches which makes konsole use it |
| 11:13.34 | light_punch2 | i am planning to install |
| 11:13.46 | cbr | Gil, for 3.4? |
| 11:13.58 | Gil | cbr: not sure, this is total heresay :) |
| 11:14.05 | delirium | you see, a while ago I asked here if it was possible to see all the colors when you use ls. As a regular user you see color, as root you don't see it. Now I found out how to get those colors (something they couldn't tell me here) but for that I want to make an alias for ls for the root account |
| 11:14.19 | light_punch2 | what' debian's default? lilo or grub? |
| 11:14.24 | jm_ | delirium: ls -a /etc/skel |
| 11:14.39 | sciboy | How do i get a usual configure/make build system to use a certain version of gcc? |
| 11:14.42 | shining | cbr: hallo :) |
| 11:14.50 | jm_ | light_punch2: GRUB is the default now |
| 11:14.51 | OleMoudi | light_punch2, grub |
| 11:14.55 | sciboy | I tried export CC=gcc-3.3 |
| 11:15.03 | jm_ | sciboy: CC=gcc-x.y ./configure ... |
| 11:15.04 | cbr | shingouz, hello, who ever you are :) |
| 11:15.15 | shining | shining plz |
| 11:15.15 | cbr | shining, hello, who ever you are :) * |
| 11:15.26 | delirium | jm_ : that also works when I su to root when I'm logged in as a normal user ? |
| 11:15.28 | raf256 | !beer jim jm_ for helping me anyway with bash \o/ |
| 11:15.43 | drac | sciboy: "MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make" |
| 11:16.07 | jim | light_punch2: if you have a nice fast supported connection to the internet, you don't need any isos... and if you do decide to get them, please use jigdo so you can use package mirrors rather than one of (a more limited number of) cd mirrors |
| 11:16.08 | jm_ | delirium: that was a dir where you can get sample bashrc from - it works if you use su correctly and if youi configure bash correctly |
| 11:16.17 | EdibleText | what is " \o/ " minimal ascii goatse? |
| 11:16.22 | delirium | jm_ : thx |
| 11:16.36 | jm_ | EdibleText: no, \/ = hands, 0 = head ? |
| 11:16.40 | jm_ | sorry, o |
| 11:17.01 | sciboy | drac: THANK YOU!!! |
| 11:17.09 | EdibleText | I suppose... Im still stuck on the 1998 Interweb |
| 11:17.25 | sciboy | jm_: drac provided a working solution. =D |
| 11:17.32 | drac | sciboy: np |
| 11:17.42 | jm_ | sciboy: yes, you could figure out this yourself if you looked at its build system |
| 11:18.06 | raf256 | find can accept regexp? how to find all files endign with .mp3 .wav or .ogg? |
| 11:18.16 | OleMoudi | "minimal ascii goatse" I think I will never look with the same eyes to "\o/" :/ |
| 11:18.21 | light_punch2 | jim, ok, i will be using isos |
| 11:18.43 | delirium | jm_ : lol, the colorize option is already in the .bashrc file, it's just commented out |
| 11:18.44 | EdibleText | its like the line representation of cube.. sometimes it goes in, sometime it pops out.. |
| 11:18.51 | sciboy | thanks, restarting X to see if this works. |
| 11:18.56 | jm_ | rafailow: did you read how one can combine find expressions using logical operators? |
| 11:19.03 | jm_ | delirium: yes ... |
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| 11:19.45 | Guerin | wtf, my box with 384MB is reporting 192MB ram |
| 11:19.53 | jm_ | raf256: read the above question, incorrectly marked for rafailow |
| 11:20.07 | Guerin | but the funky thing is: it's 3x128MB sticks... so it's not like one bank is dead... it's like 1.5 banks are dead |
| 11:20.14 | jim | light_punch2: then at least do two things (NOTE THAT BANDWIDTH COSTS SOMEONE): (1) use jigdo, and (2) pass cds around to people as a result of your download |
| 11:20.15 | shining | I hate kde, but I just find out a nice feature. fonts preview in konqueror |
| 11:20.15 | EdibleText | Guerin, registers that at boot (bios) ? |
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| 11:20.24 | Guerin | EdibleText: same as /proc/mem |
| 11:20.25 | raf256 | rafailow: not yet.. /me reading man |
| 11:20.27 | Guerin | meminfo |
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| 11:21.13 | EdibleText | Guerin, didnt follow.. when you boot it displays the full 384 |
| 11:21.33 | Guerin | EdibleText: nope. 192 |
| 11:21.38 | EdibleText | oh |
| 11:21.52 | Guerin | i won't be very pleased if it's fux0r3d |
| 11:22.02 | Guerin | but in any case, the box still works fine :) |
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| 11:22.21 | jm_ | Guerin: does BIOS report all of it? are you using GRUB on it? |
| 11:22.22 | EdibleText | Guerin, start pulling them out :) |
| 11:22.35 | Guerin | jm_: using grub ... bios reports only 192. |
| 11:23.00 | EdibleText | Guerin, did this just happen or didi they never register 384 |
| 11:23.05 | Guerin | EdibleText: the box is buried deep in a cabinet under a hige tv in a nest of cables... I REALLY don't want to go digging around in it |
| 11:23.16 | Guerin | oh, it's been running with the full 384 for months |
| 11:23.20 | jm_ | Guerin: ahh one of those shitty issues - just try various combinations and make sure they're all properly seated in the slots |
| 11:23.26 | trond | i am having a problem here.. just installed debian 3.1 and i cant seem to get my SATA-disks mounted. it just hangs.. i do mount /dev/sda1 /target and nothing happens... the discs is recognised in dmesg and everything so i am cluleless :) please help ;) |
| 11:23.33 | Guerin | yeah, one may have come loose |
| 11:23.35 | mirak | hi, anybody ever used toolchain here ? |
| 11:23.35 | EdibleText | Guerin, well if it aint *that* broke .... ;) |
| 11:23.41 | Guerin | EdibleText: yeah :) |
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| 11:23.47 | Guerin | righto, dinner |
| 11:23.56 | jim | trond: do you have debian installed on non-sata disks? |
| 11:24.04 | EdibleText | mirak, like uclibc? |
| 11:24.20 | trond | jim: yes and i have other atadisks mounted.. just sata that bails out on me ;) |
| 11:24.30 | Guerin | xorg upgrade now working flawlessly on three boxen, the only problem i've had was that a couple packages were dropped by aptitude for some reason and had to be installed manually, on one box |
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| 11:24.41 | Guerin | all in all, a roaring success in my view |
| 11:24.54 | jim | trond: determine your sata controller, and determine which kernel version supports that controller |
| 11:25.29 | Gil | Guerin: agreed, it's cool! |
| 11:25.38 | Gil | now if only ATi would pull the digit out |
| 11:25.46 | Guerin | Gil: s/digit/arm/ |
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| 11:26.25 | mg | does anyone know why moin is not in any of the normal apt repositories on debian.org? |
| 11:26.45 | jim | trond: maybe you can use 2.6.8; maybe you have to use something later like 2.6.11 |
| 11:26.46 | EdibleText | fsck it.. im taking a nap under my workbench. I been here all night. ill just lock my office door |
| 11:26.47 | mg | moinmoin-common exists and refers to moin, but no moin :( |
| 11:27.25 | trond | jim i am using a 2.4 kernel now since my 3com gbitcard doesnt seem to handle 2.6 :/ |
| 11:27.35 | jim | hmm, so you' |
| 11:27.48 | jim | hmm, so you're stuck between two devices |
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| 11:30.11 | trond | jim yeah seems so... i just find it weird that they cant be mounted but i can see them in dmesg and all... |
| 11:30.12 | light_punch2 | for the 1st debian ISO cd, is there a menu listing all packages, so that you can check off the ones you want to install? |
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| 11:30.53 | mirak | EdibleText: what ? |
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| 11:31.11 | metaperl | hi, I have an old IBM thinkpad w/out floppy or cdrom to boot from. My first goal is to get it network aware. It is fed ethernet via a router. it is running debian racine from 2003. current ifconfig eth0... does not work because eth0 has not been defined... what would be the way to figure out what driver for internet I have and to "bind" it to eth0? |
| 11:31.42 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.53 | metaperl | a version of debian from 2003 |
| 11:32.07 | jim | !codenames |
| 11:32.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 11:32.21 | Hiruko | hi |
| 11:32.27 | Hiruko | where can i find a kernel-source for kernel 2.6.11 |
| 11:32.32 | jim | !tsc_codenames |
| 11:32.32 | dpkg | well, tsc_codenames is "Debian codenames come from Toy Story, Tech Support Crew Codenames come from stupidity." See separate entries for: MashPotato (2.2), Viagra (2.3/3.0). |
| 11:32.45 | drac | Hiruko: apt-cache search kernel-source, or from www.kernel.org |
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| 11:32.55 | neependra | kernel.org |
| 11:32.56 | metaperl | uname -a gives Linux racine 2.4.20 |
| 11:32.58 | Hiruko | that one isn't availabel from packages.debian.org |
| 11:33.01 | liable | light_punch2: from what perspective. have you installed, and only have the cd as a source? |
| 11:33.16 | jm_ | racine is your hostname ;) |
| 11:33.17 | Hiruko | are the ones from kernel-.org completely compatible with debian or do i have to make modifications? |
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| 11:33.28 | jim | metaperl: that's your hostname, or the hostname of the machine on which your kernel was compiled |
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| 11:33.44 | metaperl | jim: oh |
| 11:33.46 | jim | 2003... that must have been woody... |
| 11:33.59 | jim | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:34.06 | metaperl | well how would I figure out what driver to use? It is using a 3M ethernet dongle |
| 11:34.11 | metaperl | jim: ok |
| 11:34.12 | liable | Hiruko: there fine. no cramfs patch tough, which you dont really need. |
| 11:34.14 | jm_ | Hiruko: Debian doesn't apply that many patches, but it's not the same as on kernel.org |
| 11:34.35 | light_punch2 | liable, usually other distro let me select, check off what i want during installation, such as mandrake, fedora, slackware ... |
| 11:34.41 | Hiruko | ok |
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| 11:34.53 | metaperl | jim: testing/unstable |
| 11:35.08 | liable | light_punch2: I dont quite understand what you want. |
| 11:35.24 | jim | hmmm, you should upgrade to sarge maybe |
| 11:35.41 | metaperl | jim: no floppy or cdrom |
| 11:35.44 | jim | but did you say you have a net card you want to support |
| 11:35.54 | metaperl | jim: yes |
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| 11:36.08 | liable | !rube goldberg install |
| 11:36.08 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 11:36.17 | jim | ok, how many net cards are in the box? just one? |
| 11:36.20 | raf256 | EdibleText: hello |
| 11:36.33 | raf256 | EdibleText: ok... I think Ive set it up +/- only wrong setiup on the box2.... |
| 11:36.46 | jim | liable: except he has debian installed on the box |
| 11:36.56 | raf256 | EdibleText: box2 dont see gateway box1 as a default route... |
| 11:37.10 | liable | jim: yeah, just taking the piss... :) |
| 11:37.20 | pingpong | make-kpkg buildpackage on sarge is producing a .changes file with 'Distribution: unstable', any ideas how to set this to 'Distribution: sarge' without have to edit and recreate the signature each time. |
| 11:37.21 | light_punch2 | liable, what's in the 1st iso? if i install it what will i get? gnome? gcc, open office...? |
| 11:38.06 | metaperl | I have a full Debian install on my modern laptop. If I can get my network card working on this old thinkpad, then I think I can install via my local LAN |
| 11:38.18 | metaperl | even though the old laptop doesnt have floppy/cdrom |
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| 11:38.24 | metaperl | the prior owner did it that way |
| 11:38.27 | liable | light_punch2: gnome, yes, kde, yes, oo, dont think so. you can actually find out whats on each cd, but I dont have the url, sorry. |
| 11:38.43 | jim | metaperl: so you do not have debian installed on the old laptop? |
| 11:38.44 | raf256 | how to tell a box to use 10.0.0.1 as a gateway for all internet (default route)? |
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| 11:38.51 | metaperl | jim: yes I do |
| 11:38.58 | metaperl | 2.4.20 kernel |
| 11:39.01 | Igor2Code | hi! i'm trying to create a .deb but i don't know the format of debian/changelog, could you give me an url or a manual reference? |
| 11:39.06 | Blue9 | raf256, are you using a GUI? |
| 11:39.09 | metaperl | debian_version says testing/unstable |
| 11:39.12 | liable | raf256: man route |
| 11:39.16 | jim | oh, so you have debian installe4d on the modern and the old laptops? |
| 11:39.21 | raf256 | Blue9: Im editing etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:39.24 | metaperl | jim: yes |
| 11:39.24 | Igor2Code | >raf256> route add default gateway 10.0.0.1 |
| 11:39.37 | jm_ | raf256: man interfaces; see examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 11:39.37 | jim | ok, try this... ifconfig eth0 |
| 11:39.40 | raf256 | Igor2Code: thnx will try it... but cant I do it just using file interfaces? |
| 11:40.04 | metaperl | jim: SIOCSIFADDR: no such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 11:40.08 | jim | do you get (P)aragraph describing eth0, or (E)rror message saying eth0 doen'st exist |
| 11:40.11 | jim | so E |
| 11:40.15 | metaperl | yes |
| 11:40.22 | stumbles | i know i've seen how to run a mixed system so that stable packages stay stable and testing stay testing... can someone remind me? |
| 11:40.23 | Igor2Code | >raf256> i know only how to do it for a given interface there |
| 11:40.32 | Igor2Code | so anyone can help me with debian/changelog format? :) |
| 11:40.34 | jim | what kind of eth is it? |
| 11:40.37 | Hiruko | is 2.6.9 stable? |
| 11:40.38 | astralblue | can anyone reccomend ways to keep debian updated and secure, or offer documents to read on how to do so |
| 11:40.50 | jm_ | Igor2Code: read www.debian.org/devel |
| 11:40.54 | Igor2Code | thanx |
| 11:40.57 | ctd | astralblue: apt-cron, perhaps. |
| 11:40.59 | metaperl | jim: I dont know what kind of eth it is... a 3M dongle is connected to a PCMCIA slot |
| 11:41.10 | drac | Hiruko: 2.6, up to 2.6.12.2 is stable. kernel.org definations. |
| 11:41.25 | fatal__ | astralblue: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 11:41.35 | jim | metaperl: so does it have an actual card there? |
| 11:41.47 | Hiruko | so it's not a good idea for a 'noob' to use an unstable version? |
| 11:42.06 | Blue9 | Hiruko, it's not a good idea for anyone to use an unstable version, if they want a working system. |
| 11:42.18 | liable | astralblue: keeping debian updated is trivial, secure is depending on what you use it for. |
| 11:42.20 | Hiruko | gotcha ^_^ |
| 11:42.24 | Hiruko | 2.6.12.2 it is |
| 11:42.30 | jim | Hiruko: that's conventional wisdom around here... but in truth it depends on what you want to do |
| 11:42.39 | shining | Hiruko: you shouldnt have too much troubles running kernel.org stable kernel |
| 11:43.22 | shining | Hiruko: you'll have more if you try dev branches like -rc or -mm |
| 11:43.23 | Hiruko | okay cool |
| 11:43.28 | jim | metaperl: does lspci or dmesg say anything about your card? what happens when you remove it from the slot? |
| 11:43.31 | astralblue | are there any packages i should update post install |
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| 11:43.40 | Hiruko | i'll just try the latest stable |
| 11:43.43 | jim | is it actually removable? |
| 11:43.44 | astralblue | in particular |
| 11:43.46 | Hiruko | I've been using linux for like 5 days |
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| 11:43.58 | jm_ | astralblue: make sure all security updates are installed |
| 11:43.59 | shining | Hiruko: but you don't need to have the latest version. latest doesnt mean better |
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| 11:44.30 | Hiruko | I know |
| 11:44.31 | to|m | hi, i installed pure-ftp. Do I need PAM authentification if i user the pureftpdb? |
| 11:44.34 | jim | Hiruko: learn the shell... explore what's in your filesystem... see how it's laid out |
| 11:44.34 | astralblue | jim_, is there a security update command, or do i have to install them individuallly, or? |
| 11:44.41 | metaperl | jim: I got it out. I have an EtherLink III Lan + 33.6 Modem PC Card by 3com |
| 11:44.43 | shining | Hiruko: I think you have a lot of things to learn before that then |
| 11:44.45 | liable | astralblue: its simply a matter of apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:44.47 | Hiruko | I knwo |
| 11:44.54 | Hiruko | I just need something to work though |
| 11:44.56 | Igor2Code | haha, it filed because the date format! :>> |
| 11:45.01 | Hiruko | I'd like a 2.6 kernel to work with my network |
| 11:45.04 | astralblue | k ty |
| 11:45.04 | liable | astralblue: read a few docs on debian. |
| 11:45.05 | Igor2Code | thanx for the url :) |
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| 11:45.16 | jim | metaperl: ok, see what happens when you insert it |
| 11:45.18 | Hiruko | I have a general idea on how to recompile the kernel though, i'll see if i can make on work |
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| 11:45.34 | jim | do you hear the laptop make noises? |
| 11:46.03 | metaperl | jim: yes it beeped twice |
| 11:46.15 | liable | Hiruko: still psobs with networking? |
| 11:46.18 | jim | ok, try the ifconfig eth0 again |
| 11:46.20 | liable | probs |
| 11:46.24 | metaperl | then I plugged in the dongle to the card. I think it beeped again... The light is on the dongle |
| 11:46.26 | jim | also look at dmesg |
| 11:46.28 | metaperl | ok teyin |
| 11:46.29 | metaperl | trying |
| 11:46.38 | astralblue | liable: such as? just read the doc that comes with it? |
| 11:46.46 | metaperl | jim: same error. no such device |
| 11:46.57 | jim | ok, what does dmesg say |
| 11:47.13 | astralblue | liable, an intro to debian with common commands would be helpful |
| 11:47.13 | jim | the tone of the beeps is the same? |
| 11:47.38 | m0th | shining, guess they are |
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| 11:47.50 | Blue9 | astralblue, http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=debian+for+beginners |
| 11:47.55 | liable | astralblue: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 11:48.12 | Hiruko | liable yes |
| 11:48.18 | liable | astralblue: theres lots of links for generall howtos etc |
| 11:48.21 | Hiruko | let me try this |
| 11:48.27 | Hiruko | if it doesn't work, nothing is harmed |
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| 11:48.51 | m0th | hmm, latest xorg packages from unstable seem to break font rendering for me |
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| 11:49.16 | liable | m0th: file a bug then. |
| 11:49.21 | jim | metaperl: so there's no way to get any data to the laptop other than the kernel... right? |
| 11:49.29 | jim | err |
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| 11:49.32 | m0th | liable, just noticed, going to check... |
| 11:49.33 | alus | ok so, libglew1 somehow has dependencies that conflict with xbase-clients? |
| 11:49.36 | jim | other than the keyboard |
| 11:49.46 | leoster | i have to manually insmod network card when rebooting my debian box :(, how can i have it done automatically in system startup? thx |
| 11:49.47 | alus | what does xbase-clients have to do with gl? |
| 11:49.57 | jm_ | leoster: man modules |
| 11:50.00 | metaperl | jim: tailing /var/log/syslog is more informative than dmesg in this case |
| 11:50.07 | jim | ahh |
| 11:50.16 | jim | that's good |
| 11:50.35 | leoster | jm_, thx |
| 11:50.58 | jim | metaperl: so there's no way to get any data to the laptop other than the keyboard... right? |
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| 11:51.48 | jim | I really have to go...it's 5 am... |
| 11:51.55 | jim | you're definitely on the right track |
| 11:51.58 | m0th | what was it switching on rendered (smoothed) fonts on xorg? |
| 11:52.16 | jm_ | m0th: this is really not X server issue |
| 11:52.35 | m0th | the extensions should suffice, shouldn't they? |
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| 11:52.54 | metaperl | ok thanks |
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| 11:53.59 | ska-fan | I installed postgresql now, but due to a missing package it went unconfigured, and with it some other postgresql packages. I now installed the missing package. How do I resume the configuration process? |
| 11:54.15 | jm_ | dpkg --pending --configure |
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| 11:54.40 | ska-fan | jm_, thanks |
| 11:54.54 | jim | metaperl: other folks here can help; some may have followed the conversation... if not, bring them uptodate |
| 11:55.41 | metaperl | does anyone know why modprobe -r 3c589_cs would throw unresolved symbol errors? I'm trying to get eth0 up but the modprobe on the driver yields unresolved symbol errors |
| 11:55.43 | metaperl | jim: ok |
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| 11:56.09 | muha | How do I find out what processes are accessing what partitions? |
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| 11:56.19 | jm_ | metaperl_: it usually means it was not compiled correctly |
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| 11:56.25 | jm_ | muha: fuser, lsof |
| 11:56.32 | Blue9 | muha, lsof and fuser |
| 11:56.33 | jm_ | or just scan /proc manually |
| 11:56.45 | muha | Thanks I'll take a look at that |
| 11:56.59 | liable | metaperl: err, -r is remove, why are you doing that. |
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| 11:57.11 | metaperl | I just saw it in /var/log/syslog |
| 11:57.18 | metaperl | maybe whe nI remove the card it tried to remove it |
| 11:57.28 | jm_ | is the module loaded? |
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| 11:57.48 | liable | metaperl: pcmcia card? |
| 11:58.14 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 11:58.33 | metaperl | liable: yes it is a PCMCIA card (I think)... one of those credit card sized things you slip in the side |
| 11:58.38 | metaperl | tombs: hi |
| 11:59.50 | liable | metaperl: so what happens when you plug it in? according to dmesg? |
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| 12:00.00 | metaperl | when I bootup Debian, I am told "Choose your current network-environment" and am given 3 choices Home (unknown), default (Installation_default), new (Set_up_new_environment) |
| 12:00.29 | metaperl | liable: I think it is a kernel issue. He had 3 kernels for this debian. 2.2.0, 2.4.19 and 2.4.20 |
| 12:00.44 | metaperl | liable: dmesg is less informative than /var/log/syslog |
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| 12:01.12 | leOn | hey |
| 12:01.17 | pzn | OFF-Topic: Hi! does anyone here can help me about ietf draft -> rfc? do you know any IRC channel to ask this? |
| 12:01.17 | ShaiW | hello |
| 12:01.33 | liable | metaperl: he? running woody? installing? You've lost me.. |
| 12:01.39 | ShaiW | Hmmphh, I've just installed Debian |
| 12:01.42 | leOn | where can i get phpize for debian ? |
| 12:01.54 | ShaiW | and I have no idea which repositories should I add for reliable and varied packages |
| 12:02.05 | metaperl | liable: this is a debian from 2003... cat /etc/debian_version says testing/unstable |
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| 12:02.14 | ShaiW | I don't know where to get stuff such as Kulmus, or Xchat... is there an index anywhere? |
| 12:02.16 | metaperl | i dont have a codename for this debian and dont know how to get it |
| 12:02.30 | Orfeous | are there any system diagnostics programs available? |
| 12:02.42 | Blue9 | ShaiW, apt-get install xchat |
| 12:02.53 | leOn | metaperl: don't you want to upgrade to the latest stable ? |
| 12:02.54 | Orfeous | my server had a hanging today.. and yesterday too.. |
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| 12:03.04 | jm_ | Orfeous: checked logs? |
| 12:03.11 | liable | metaperl: update the kernel for a start, apt-cache-search kernel-image |
| 12:03.24 | metaperl | leOn: no floppy/cdrom... trying to get net-enabled first |
| 12:03.25 | jm_ | liable: he has no networking on it, that's the catch |
| 12:03.32 | liable | oooh |
| 12:03.38 | metaperl | lol |
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| 12:03.43 | Orfeous | jm_: yes, i found nothing before i had to reboot with reset button. |
| 12:03.53 | jm_ | so it looks like it thinks it should use 3c589_cs module |
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| 12:03.57 | leOn | metaperl: and no nic driver .. ? |
| 12:03.58 | jm_ | Orfeous: anything on console? |
| 12:04.01 | Orfeous | jm_: i coulndt even press any button on keyboard.. caps..scroll..etc.. |
| 12:04.08 | liable | excuse me for being ignorant :( |
| 12:04.19 | Orfeous | jm_: not responding. |
| 12:04.27 | pzn | metaperl, this may give a clue about what you are running: dpkg -l libc6 base-files | egrep '^ii'; uname -a |
| 12:04.30 | metaperl | leOn: there were unresolved symbol errors |
| 12:04.46 | metaperl | uname -a doesnt... |
| 12:04.48 | jm_ | Orfeous: well was anything displayed on it? |
| 12:04.50 | liable | metaperl: you have the install cd? |
| 12:04.51 | metaperl | it just says Linux 2.4.20 |
| 12:04.57 | metaperl | liable: no cdrom |
| 12:05.07 | leOn | metaperl: but don't u have ANY working kernel installed ? |
| 12:05.12 | metaperl | liable: no I dont have the install cd. |
| 12:05.21 | leOn | by working i mean fully working |
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| 12:05.26 | m0th | ok, font rendering is not broken, but seems to be disabled for small fonts per default now, which i like ;) |
| 12:05.32 | metaperl | leOn: I dont know... I'm actualy typing up a question about net settings right now |
| 12:05.43 | liable | metaperl: wow, this is a shit of a situation... |
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| 12:05.52 | leOn | metaperl: do an ls on /boot and check for vmlinuz* files |
| 12:05.57 | pzn | metaperl, try: dpkg -l libc6 base-files kernel-image-* | egrep '^ii' |
| 12:06.07 | Orfeous | jm_: could not see that because screen on my server monitor was black. because internal linux screensaver.. |
| 12:06.12 | Orfeous | or what it is.. |
| 12:06.20 | jm_ | hinting has been disabled for some fonts below certain sizes for a while |
| 12:06.26 | Orfeous | screen goes black within a couple of minutes |
| 12:06.31 | jm_ | Orfeous: ahh you should disable that and see what's on console |
| 12:06.45 | Orfeous | ok, how do i do that? |
| 12:06.53 | jm_ | Orfeous: man setterm |
| 12:08.39 | Orfeous | aah.. |
| 12:08.49 | Orfeous | setterm -blank 0 |
| 12:08.59 | jm_ | so login on the console, run the command, and then leave it on this console and check the screen |
| 12:09.05 | jm_ | might turn monitor off ;) |
| 12:09.16 | Orfeous | hehe, cant i do it here from ssh? |
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| 12:09.31 | metaperl | for a machine connected to ethernet via a linksys router, are these reasonable network settings? http://rafb.net/paste/results/F4Sh3B85.html |
| 12:09.53 | jm_ | hmm it should work if you echo the right escape sequence (man console_codes) to appropriate tty, but it might have been blanked already |
| 12:10.16 | Orfeous | jm_: ok, then i go to my server room and fix it. |
| 12:10.31 | liable | metaperl: yes |
| 12:10.37 | metaperl | ok thanks |
| 12:10.39 | jm_ | Orfeous: that's best yeah |
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| 12:11.12 | jm_ | metaperl_: gateway is wron |
| 12:11.14 | jm_ | wrong |
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| 12:11.21 | Orfeous | jm_: hmm, i log in... setterm.. and logout.. turn the monitor off? done? |
| 12:11.29 | jm_ | Orfeous: yes |
| 12:11.48 | liable | metaperl: err, you cant have your machine as the gateway.. |
| 12:12.00 | Orfeous | ok. |
| 12:13.07 | ska-fan | how do I clear pending dpkg stuff? |
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| 12:13.51 | ska-fan | nm |
| 12:14.17 | jm_ | I was gonna ask dpkg to wayttd ;) |
| 12:14.43 | metaperl | liable: those settings are for the old laptop's network. should I ifconfig eth0 on my new laptop to get it's IP # and have it serve as the gateway? |
| 12:14.46 | Orfeous | jm_: done. |
| 12:15.02 | Orfeous | jm_: is it something else i can do? |
| 12:15.08 | jm_ | Orfeous: now you have to wait for it to hang and see what happens |
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| 12:15.14 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 12:15.19 | Orfeous | jm_: monitoring from my computer.. |
| 12:15.36 | jm_ | Orfeous: ahh ssh and run tail -f on logs |
| 12:15.44 | Orfeous | jm_: maybe console isnt gonna say someting.. just "Login:" .. |
| 12:15.46 | Golfgeo | Does one have to have a mailserver if one has a domain name? |
| 12:16.04 | und0 | ska-fan: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 12:16.06 | Orfeous | jm_: what does "tail -f" do? |
| 12:16.17 | jm_ | Orfeous: I somehow don't think it will stay that way -- man tail |
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| 12:16.31 | liable | metaperl: whats the routers gateway? |
| 12:16.53 | metaperl | liable: I dont know what the router's gateway is... |
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| 12:16.55 | liable | metaperl: err, address |
| 12:16.57 | metaperl | I dont know what a gateway is |
| 12:16.59 | metaperl | oh |
| 12:17.12 | metaperl | well I can visit http://192.168.1.1 to configure it |
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| 12:17.25 | metaperl | how would I find the router's gateway? |
| 12:17.29 | liable | metaperl: ok, thats your gateway |
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| 12:18.00 | liable | metaperl: give your box an ip like 192.168.1.3 |
| 12:18.08 | Orfeous | jm_: aah, all changes in logs are shown to me? |
| 12:18.12 | liable | or 2 or 4 or 5 |
| 12:18.18 | jm_ | Orfeous: right |
| 12:18.24 | Orfeous | ok. |
| 12:18.30 | stumbles | how do i make sure all my stable apps don't get upgraded to testing if my i have mixed apt sources? do i have to pin them all? |
| 12:18.47 | Orfeous | jm_: what to type to check all logs? |
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| 12:19.08 | jm_ | Orfeous: did you check its man page? tail -f file1 file2 ... |
| 12:19.11 | jim | stumbles: testing is -not- compatible with stable... |
| 12:19.41 | tzafrir | anybody packaged webmin for others to use? How do I enable everybody to access webmin? by default it is only localhost and there is no CLI to change this |
| 12:20.03 | jim | building the packages from source on your stable system might work |
| 12:20.06 | Guerin | tzafrir: christ, you're dumb |
| 12:20.22 | tzafrir | I have a script to change this by manipulating webmin config. It worked before, but now seems to fail unexpectedly |
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| 12:20.35 | gromf | hello evrybody ! |
| 12:20.38 | stumbles | jim: i just want a couple of packages such as firefox |
| 12:20.40 | tzafrir | Guerin, some people want webmin |
| 12:20.47 | Guerin | tzafrir: if you MUST use webmin, and can't figure out how to make it listen publicly, you REALLY oughtn't be administering a unix box. |
| 12:20.49 | tzafrir | not my fault. |
| 12:20.53 | gromf | Does someone know how to get color in bb ascii demo ? |
| 12:20.56 | jim | there's firefox for stable |
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| 12:21.30 | tzafrir | Guerin, if the box with webmin has no local X and the user running it need not be bothered with ssh tunning? |
| 12:21.52 | stumbles | jim, so it's completely out of the question? |
| 12:21.53 | Guerin | tzafrir: you can ssh into the machine, right? |
| 12:22.05 | tarzeau | someone wants to try a 2.4.31 i386 kernel package for me? |
| 12:22.48 | shining | are there other funny things to set up after a dns caching and a dhcp server? |
| 12:22.59 | tzafrir | Guerin, running webmin's interface in lynx/elinks is possible. Still, it's not the most intuitive. |
| 12:23.03 | jim | you can try it, but at your peril... mixed sources are not supported here too... so if you do it, you'll have to solve any problems that occur |
| 12:23.09 | tzafrir | I'm trying to provide something simple |
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| 12:23.13 | Orfeous | jm_: what logs to check then? |
| 12:23.32 | Guerin | tzafrir: what precisely is preventing you from allowing other addresses to connect to it? |
| 12:23.34 | tzafrir | Guerin, it's *not* for me |
| 12:23.36 | lildude | went to linux printing .org |
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| 12:23.47 | jm_ | Orfeous: check all of them, look for the time gap in them and see if there's anything interesting prior to that |
| 12:23.52 | lildude | cant find list what printer new with linux driver |
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| 12:24.24 | jm_ | lildude: Samsung printers have CUPS bundled with them and work nicely with CUPS, at least the one we have here |
| 12:24.40 | stumbles | jim, i just thought i read somewhere how to set the priority of the whole distro |
| 12:24.52 | tzafrir | Guerin, when I run is 'sed -i -e '/^allow=/d' /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf' |
| 12:24.58 | jm_ | the page also lists several printers that work OK, they even list them for different price ranges |
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| 12:25.14 | stumbles | jim, so that i can set stable higher than testing |
| 12:25.14 | lildude | were can i buy linux drive printer |
| 12:25.23 | Guerin | tzafrir: why not just edit the config file? |
| 12:25.58 | tzafrir | hmmm, a restart of webmin was missing. So how the #@$# did this work before :-) |
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| 12:26.08 | liable | tarzeau: what have you done to it? |
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| 12:26.21 | und0 | lildude: a printer linux friendly? |
| 12:26.40 | tarzeau | liable: nothing. try it please: http://gnu.ethz.ch/kernel-image-2.4.31_LOL.8_i386.deb |
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| 12:27.15 | plague | Hey can someone who has been here all day scroll up and paste whoever is speaking to me.. as my buffer ran out.. and i keep getting a flashing light in the chan when i check it? |
| 12:27.29 | jm_ | plague: what do we get? |
| 12:27.32 | liable | tarzeau: only one box here, on dial up. the LOL, worries me :P |
| 12:27.46 | plague | jm_, A thankyou :) |
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| 12:28.02 | jim | stumbles: you're welcome to try... but your best bet is to use software that has been build by and against tools and libs from stable,,, unless you want to move to testing |
| 12:28.03 | jm_ | plague: it was this * dpkg smites configure with a plague of boils |
| 12:28.15 | plague | ah right, thanks. |
| 12:28.17 | plague | ah right, thanks. |
| 12:28.27 | Orfeous | jm_: ok, done.. is it possible to check my filesystem whitout remount with ro? i have resetted compiter some times.. |
| 12:28.35 | rixth | Is there a way to take a screenshot from a commandline? |
| 12:28.39 | jim | stumbles: I already mentioned that firefox exists for stable, and that you can build. no more circles :) |
| 12:28.45 | jm_ | rixth: /msg dpkg screenshot |
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| 12:29.08 | jm_ | Orfeous: no, don't do that - it should notice that it has been unmounted cleanly and run fsck |
| 12:29.08 | tzafrir | rixth, a screenshot of what? |
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| 12:30.20 | jim | stumbles: keep backups of your system. because if you get hosed, the first thing that should be asked of you is "so... you have backups, right?" |
| 12:30.31 | lildude | thanks |
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| 12:30.55 | rixth | tzafrir, my desktop |
| 12:31.40 | _metaperl | Hi, my IRC client locked up. I wanted to thank jim and liable and everyone for their help. I am running apt-get dist-upgrade on an old ibm thinkpad successfully. pretty successfully at least |
| 12:31.57 | Blue9 | _metaperl, you actually got it to work? |
| 12:31.58 | Blue9 | Awesome |
| 12:32.04 | liable | tarzeau: really, what have you done to it? |
| 12:32.08 | jim | _metaperl: nice job |
| 12:32.16 | _metaperl | Blue9: yes! |
| 12:32.18 | _metaperl | jim: thanks! |
| 12:32.23 | Blue9 | _metaperl, you should document what you did. |
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| 12:32.34 | jim | what was the problem? |
| 12:32.53 | _metaperl | Blue9: it was really simple. of the 3 kernels on the machine only the 2.4.19 had the 3com drivers correcetly compiled |
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| 12:33.01 | stumbles | cheers jim |
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| 12:33.05 | _metaperl | I had tried the other two (the oldest and the newest) |
| 12:33.17 | juanma | does any one know when beagle is going to enter sid or experimental? |
| 12:33.21 | jm_ | yeah, unresovled symbols suggested that |
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| 12:33.29 | juanma | or if there are any preliminary packages |
| 12:33.43 | jim | _metaperl: glad it worked out... now back up soon! |
| 12:33.57 | _metaperl | he |
| 12:33.58 | _metaperl | heh |
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| 12:34.20 | tarzeau | liable: really nothing |
| 12:34.23 | und0 | juanma: soon |
| 12:34.30 | tarzeau | liable: i just called it LOL for fun :) |
| 12:34.38 | liable | tarzeau: well... why try it :P |
| 12:34.46 | und0 | juanma: i've read something today, i'm looking the link |
| 12:34.54 | Orfeous | jm_: im running reiserfs.. so it checks itselfs. |
| 12:34.57 | und0 | juanma: looking for the link |
| 12:35.05 | jm_ | Orfeous: yay |
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| 12:35.11 | liable | tarzeau: does it boot to bub'n'bros? |
| 12:35.21 | liable | :P |
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| 12:36.07 | und0 | juanma: http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/2005/Jul/13/?flav=html |
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| 12:36.19 | Orfeous | jm_: anything elese i can check or do? |
| 12:36.25 | Orfeous | any programs to run? |
| 12:36.28 | tarzeau | liable: nah :) |
| 12:36.37 | jm_ | Orfeous: just wait for the lockup now |
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| 12:37.28 | liable | tarzeau: if I had a play box and cable I would. but I dont. :) |
| 12:38.07 | tzafrir | Orfeous, reiserfsck ? |
| 12:38.18 | Golfgeo | Got a problem, I have a cron job running under an user account, but this job is generating e-mail to that user account everytime it runs... Can this be stoped? |
| 12:38.19 | tzafrir | (on an unmounted filesystem) |
| 12:38.23 | lildude | old lap top coool i got one too p 150 debain one |
| 12:38.42 | liable | !debain |
| 12:38.42 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 12:38.42 | tzafrir | Golfgeo, >/dev/null |
| 12:38.54 | Golfgeo | To eleborate: It is cron that is generating the mail... |
| 12:38.54 | jm_ | golfe;yes, read man pages |
| 12:38.55 | _metaperl | lildude: IBM Thinkpad 560E |
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| 12:39.12 | tzafrir | Golfgeo, and the problem is? |
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| 12:39.26 | Golfgeo | jm_, tzafrir, oke, will do |
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| 12:39.53 | Golfgeo | tzafrir, well, I quess it is standerd, but for me it was unsuspected... |
| 12:40.06 | lildude | on old lap top use flux box xfe |
| 12:40.25 | lildude | that is nice to make it less memory hog |
| 12:40.31 | tzafrir | Golfgeo, a cron job should be quiet. Any output from it should be a sign of a problem |
| 12:40.43 | lildude | stil looking for printer info samsung not in usa |
| 12:40.50 | lildude | would epson work? |
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| 12:41.18 | Blue9 | lildude, Are you looking for a printer that will work, or drivers? |
| 12:41.23 | lildude | metapaperl |
| 12:41.27 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.32 | Blue9 | lildude, Use HP |
| 12:41.47 | Blue9 | 99% chance of a HP printer working |
| 12:41.50 | lildude | yeah h is ok but ink i can afford |
| 12:41.58 | lildude | what abought epson |
| 12:42.06 | und0 | lildude: look at linuxprinting.org |
| 12:42.07 | Orfeous | jm_: ok, it may take many hours :D |
| 12:42.10 | Blue9 | epson printers are the spawn of satan |
| 12:42.12 | Orfeous | or days :D |
| 12:42.21 | lildude | linuxprinting org list old ones |
| 12:42.29 | Blue9 | lildude, then get an old one ;) |
| 12:42.38 | Blue9 | lildude, get a LaserJet 4 :) |
| 12:42.38 | lildude | what that mean blue |
| 12:42.39 | Orfeous | tzafrir: cant runt it whitout remounting with ro |
| 12:42.44 | lildude | old ones dont work |
| 12:42.52 | und0 | lildude: old but maybe supported =) |
| 12:43.12 | Blue9 | lildude, best thing to do is get a model number and run it through google. |
| 12:43.19 | Blue9 | I know that HP tend to be well supported |
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| 12:43.22 | jm_ | like I said, we bought Samsung Color laser and it works great |
| 12:43.26 | Blue9 | Lexmark are not at all |
| 12:43.31 | Golfgeo | lildude, I get the following e-mailed that I echoed in the script... : Starting ImageGrabber |
| 12:44.08 | Blue9 | Golfgeo, I think cron emails you any output |
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| 12:44.21 | lildude | yeah il loo at hp |
| 12:44.39 | lildude | epson is also recomended but are they any good |
| 12:44.49 | Blue9 | lildude, No! |
| 12:44.54 | Blue9 | Epson printers are awful. |
| 12:44.57 | hettar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.08 | Golfgeo | Blue9, yea, that isn't someting I like, but could be handy in other situations... |
| 12:45.10 | lildude | like cx or rx |
| 12:45.21 | Blue9 | Golfgeo, absolutely. |
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| 12:46.34 | elirips | hello. can i somehow install windows from a booted sarge? my problem: i have a very old sony vaio laptop, with an external cd-rom, i have to install win on it (for my parents), but win98se doesn't boot from the external cd-rom, only sarge-netinst-iso boots from the external cd-rom.... |
| 12:46.47 | Blue9 | elirips, #windows? |
| 12:46.54 | raf256 | elirips: #viruses |
| 12:46.58 | Blue9 | #2,000 |
| 12:47.37 | liable | elirips: I dont think so. install from floppy. |
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| 12:48.25 | liable | elirips: tell your mom, to buy you a new one :P |
| 12:48.28 | jm_ | elirips: tried using SBM? |
| 12:48.28 | migma | elirips: so you wanna install a very old os on a very old laptop for your very old parents? |
| 12:48.35 | elirips | liable: got only an usb-floppy drive. |
| 12:48.39 | elirips | jm_: no network |
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| 12:48.54 | elirips | liable: and of the course the stupid-machine wont boot form it. |
| 12:48.57 | jm_ | elirips: what does this have to do with network? |
| 12:49.13 | liable | elirips: so, no built in floppy, or cd? |
| 12:49.40 | elirips | liable: an external floppy, i can boot sarge from (but not win98, even it is an original cd), floppy via usb, cant boot from it. |
| 12:49.57 | elirips | jm_: how do mean installing using smb? |
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| 12:50.27 | liable | elirips: set fire to it, and claim it on home contents insurence :) |
| 12:50.29 | asg | !tell juanmaway about away |
| 12:50.40 | jm_ | elirips: you boot SBM (whicherver way you can: floppy, disk, ...) then from it you try to boot Windows CD |
| 12:51.08 | elirips | jm_: what is SMB? dont you mean samba with smb? if i hear smb i think of smbclient, etc... |
| 12:51.17 | jm_ | elirips: apt-cache show sbm |
| 12:51.19 | elirips | jm_: ah, SBM. i'm sorry. going to google for it. |
| 12:51.22 | jm_ | I said SBM not SMB |
| 12:51.31 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate jm_ |
| 12:51.32 | dpkg | jm_: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 lol |
| 12:51.39 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:52.13 | d03boy | kik |
| 12:52.16 | mathieu | hi, composite is enabled in my x.org config. seems to be loaded properly. how do i play around with it? |
| 12:52.17 | d03boy | *lol even |
| 12:52.18 | tarzeau | liable: it's jsut a kernel |
| 12:52.18 | raf256 | dpkg: irritate Guerin |
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| 12:52.19 | dpkg | Guerin: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 12:52.24 | tarzeau | liable: you don't have grub? |
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| 12:52.33 | tarzeau | liable: you can browse the .deb with ar t/x |
| 12:52.37 | liable | tarzeau: indeed, and yes I do... |
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| 12:52.58 | d03boy | can I make dpkg irritate me in /msg? |
| 12:53.12 | FieldySnuts | why did dpkg irritate Guerin when nobody triggered it? |
| 12:53.16 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 12:53.18 | jm_ | d03boy: /msg dpkg irritate me |
| 12:53.26 | liable | tarzeau: "it's just a kernel" hmmmmm |
| 12:53.27 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: <raf256> dpkg: irritate Guerin |
| 12:53.41 | FieldySnuts | oh okay, i have that person ignored |
| 12:53.46 | mathieu | there's no 'xcompmgr' in unstable/ |
| 12:53.47 | mathieu | ? |
| 12:53.53 | jm_ | I figured that :) |
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| 12:53.58 | raf256 | !tell FieldySnuts about ignore |
| 12:54.03 | raf256 | ;) |
| 12:54.07 | d03boy | jm_, thanks, i appreciate it Xd |
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| 12:54.35 | caphuso | tarzeau: quick question... do you still do those irc courses you organized 2 years ago or is that project dead? |
| 12:54.36 | tarzeau | liable: it should work. it worked for me |
| 12:55.10 | Golfgeo|Reading | jm_, tzafrir, > /dev/null seems to work, thanks mates |
| 12:55.19 | jm_ | Golfgeo|Reading: right |
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| 12:55.39 | liable | tarzeau: the question is.... what have you done to it? and anyway, I am not going to install it, but I would if I had a play box. |
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| 12:55.52 | jaime | hola |
| 12:56.11 | jaime | tengo una dudilla, alguien sabe como se pueden hacer regresiones lineales en oocalc o gnumeric? |
| 12:56.33 | tarzeau | caphuso: not dead. just sleeping, www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ |
| 12:56.34 | jaime | en Google no encuentro mas que unos que dicen que se puede y otros que no pero en la documentacion no veo nada |
| 12:56.36 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: you can ignore messages with text256 with irssi |
| 12:56.38 | tarzeau | caphuso: want to wake it up? |
| 12:56.48 | jaime | sorry |
| 12:56.48 | tarzeau | liable: nothing , my own kernel cofnig file, it's all in the .deb |
| 12:56.49 | Orfeous | hmmm.. |
| 12:56.51 | FieldySnuts | jm_: that'd be fine if i used irssi, point is he shouldn' tbe using th ebot to do that |
| 12:56.52 | millee | G'day from Australia |
| 12:56.52 | jm_ | with text raf256 that is |
| 12:56.56 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: ohh |
| 12:56.57 | asg | !tell jaime about es |
| 12:57.13 | raf256 | !chillout FieldySnuts |
| 12:57.16 | raf256 | jm_: what? |
| 12:57.17 | jaime | is there anyone here that knows how to do linear regressions in gnumeric or oocalc? |
| 12:57.26 | liable | tarzeau: ok, whatever, gotta go to bed anyway.. |
| 12:57.27 | FieldySnuts | still doing it, isn't he? |
| 12:57.27 | jaime | sorry, I forgot, the language |
| 12:57.33 | asg | jaime: #debian-oo might |
| 12:57.33 | FieldySnuts | surely that qualifies as bot abuse |
| 12:57.36 | jm_ | indeed |
| 12:57.38 | jaime | ok, thanks |
| 12:57.48 | tarzeau | liable: good night |
| 12:57.54 | asg | jaime: maybe #mathematics also but that might be a stretch |
| 12:57.55 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: oh no, run and call the FBI |
| 12:58.08 | jaime | ok, thanks asg |
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| 12:58.13 | caphuso | tarzeau: a zsh intro, in a couple of weeks (think end of august or early in september) |
| 12:58.57 | liable | tarzeau: night |
| 12:59.15 | raf256 | while installing debian using d-i CD, I have connected second HDD that contains valid debian's /var/ (with apt-get cache) can I tell d-i and apt-get to use (i nread-only) mode that cache? |
| 12:59.43 | MegaHambone | Hey guys, I run a NAT server on my linux machine using iptables and I notice that a vpn connection I run seems to timeout every 8 hours to the hour - does iptables (or debian) have the equivalent of a port lease setting that I just can't find? |
| 13:00.05 | jm_ | you can tell it where to look for the cache dir - man apt.conf |
| 13:00.10 | raf256 | MegaHambone: that sounds like the VPN server/client future (timeout) |
| 13:00.34 | tarzeau | caphuso: by YOU ? :) |
| 13:00.41 | tarzeau | caphuso: that'd be fantastic! yeah! |
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| 13:00.43 | asg | that would be worth sitting in on |
| 13:00.43 | raf256 | jm_: can it have an rad-only dir *in addition* to using own /var/ ? |
| 13:00.43 | caphuso | tarzeau: we and some other guys |
| 13:00.48 | tarzeau | caphuso: in #zsh ? |
| 13:00.49 | caphuso | tarzeau: s/we/me/ |
| 13:00.55 | jm_ | raf256: I am not sure about that, but I think not |
| 13:01.06 | tarzeau | caphuso: great. we make the date tonight and then have plenty time for MARKETING :) |
| 13:01.10 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 13:01.12 | MegaHambone | raf256: It doesn't timeout if I connect directly to my cable modem. |
| 13:01.18 | raf256 | jm_: :-/ then I will just manually copy some of the *.dpg from other /var/ right? |
| 13:01.25 | MegaHambone | it's only if I connect through the nat server. |
| 13:01.25 | caphuso | tarzeau: probably not, i guess we need a channel with at least one person with op priviledges |
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| 13:01.35 | raf256 | tarzeau: linux marketing? |
| 13:01.46 | jm_ | raf256: well why not try using it first? |
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| 13:02.18 | raf256 | jm_: I must finish installing debian in next 2 hours (im doing it for a friend, yey, another soul saved) |
| 13:02.30 | Hiruko | hmm |
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| 13:02.36 | Hiruko | is there a good place to find kernel-images? |
| 13:02.47 | asg | Hiruko: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one that suits) |
| 13:02.52 | jm_ | raf256: well it will take 1 minute to write a config file and test it, otherwise you can copy it to the local dir |
| 13:02.53 | Hiruko | are there more than that though |
| 13:03.03 | asg | Hiruko: not official ones |
| 13:03.04 | Hiruko | i searched through the ones that apt offers |
| 13:03.08 | Hiruko | hmm |
| 13:03.15 | asg | Hiruko: if you want to build your own, /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:03.23 | Hiruko | yeah i know how |
| 13:03.28 | Hiruko | Ugh this is a paint |
| 13:03.29 | raf256 | Im isntalling debian onto a single partition, can I have it on reiserfs? |
| 13:03.37 | Hiruko | I'm having so much trouble with this :( |
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| 13:03.44 | raf256 | do debian testing kernels and d-i kernel support reiserfs on main / ? |
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| 13:04.15 | Hiruko | hmm |
| 13:04.19 | greycat | raf256: well, did it work when you tried it? |
| 13:04.25 | caphuso | tarzeau: i'll get a specific date till friday, then you can start marketing |
| 13:04.26 | Hiruko | is there a way to get alsa modules working without recompiling my 2.4 kernel? |
| 13:04.47 | jm_ | Hiruko: apt-cache search alsa-modules- |
| 13:04.56 | raf256 | greycat: the reiserfs? if it will fail I will lost loke extra hour to convert entire / into ext3 |
| 13:05.00 | Hiruko | and then i don't have to enable it in my 2.4 kernel? |
| 13:05.06 | jm_ | and pay attention how they exist for matching kernel-image packages |
| 13:05.06 | Hiruko | because that would be great |
| 13:05.14 | Hiruko | ok |
| 13:05.26 | Hiruko | Hmm I think i have all the alsa stuff |
| 13:05.28 | raf256 | brb (reboot) |
| 13:05.30 | Hiruko | i'll search again |
| 13:05.47 | Hiruko | ack |
| 13:05.50 | Hiruko | sorry not alsa |
| 13:05.52 | Hiruko | i mean acpi |
| 13:05.57 | SchroedingersCat | wow, since when have news anchors gotten to be so... |
| 13:05.58 | SchroedingersCat | hot |
| 13:06.01 | jm_ | Debian's kernels have ACPi enabled too |
| 13:06.03 | SchroedingersCat | mmmmmmm...robin meade |
| 13:06.12 | Hiruko | not the 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:06.26 | jm_ | yes, including 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:06.35 | Hiruko | then why when i installed it... |
| 13:06.41 | Hiruko | i installed all the acpi utils |
| 13:06.47 | Hiruko | =\ |
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| 13:06.59 | Hiruko | everything in apt that had something to do with acpi |
| 13:07.03 | tarzeau | caphuso: ok :) |
| 13:07.10 | Hiruko | and it says it's not there or it's not enabled in the kernel |
| 13:07.13 | jm_ | because you didn't load any ACPI modules |
| 13:07.25 | Hiruko | oh |
| 13:07.33 | Hiruko | how would i go about doing that? |
| 13:07.34 | Hiruko | ^_^ |
| 13:07.39 | jm_ | man modprobe ; man modules |
| 13:07.50 | Hiruko | ok |
| 13:08.02 | Hiruko | where can i see the module names though |
| 13:08.21 | jm_ | man modprobe |
| 13:09.12 | Hiruko | kk |
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| 13:10.53 | MegaHambone | Does iptables have the equivalent of a "port lease" function when using it as a NAT server? |
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| 13:11.31 | jm_ | port lease? |
| 13:11.50 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: confuse MegaHambone |
| 13:11.51 | dpkg | Yes, where are my weasel yesterday, MegaHambone? shirts of the monarchy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
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| 13:12.41 | MegaHambone | Well, some routers will only allow a port to be open for a user defined amount of time. I'm finding that my box SEEMS to be doing the same thing, so I was wondering if this is something I could set. |
| 13:13.16 | stew | MegaHambone: ipchains had -M but i believe that went away with the switch to iptables |
| 13:13.38 | MegaHambone | hmmm. |
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| 13:13.59 | Blue9 | MegaHambone, how about a cronjob? |
| 13:14.02 | snadge | can someone comment on the recent x.org merging in sid? |
| 13:14.04 | raf256 | can I easly compare burned file with its .iso image? |
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| 13:14.14 | Blue9 | raf256. md5checksum |
| 13:14.19 | snadge | specifically.. how it affects the proprietry nvidia stuff ;) |
| 13:14.26 | raf256 | Blue9: md5sum /dev/hdd will work? |
| 13:14.37 | justin | raf256: man -k compare |
| 13:14.43 | Penfold | is there a documented/preferred way of getting all the dependencies of a package (i.e. the full tree, rather than just its immediate dependents)? |
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| 13:14.57 | stew | snadge: last i head nvidia-glx was busted with xorg, so currently no nvidia 3d accel is working |
| 13:15.00 | Hiruko | jim |
| 13:15.04 | Hiruko | is there a way to patch those files? |
| 13:15.05 | kl12 | hi any one knows how can i set a static ip on debian? |
| 13:15.13 | Hiruko | i have a needed acpi patch, how can i apply it to the ones i have now |
| 13:15.14 | jm_ | MegaHambone: not sure, maybe it's the recent module |
| 13:15.16 | raf256 | !beer FileLight devels |
| 13:15.17 | stew | kl12: man interfaces |
| 13:15.17 | tarzeau | kl12: man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:15.23 | elirips | what swap-size would you recommend for a debian-sarge system that should run x and some word-processor like openoffice, but has only 64MB of ram? |
| 13:15.25 | kl12 | ok |
| 13:15.33 | tarzeau | elirips: 128 mb |
| 13:15.35 | bit0 | how could i install postgresql backend for egroupware? |
| 13:15.39 | jm_ | Penfold: like apt-rdepends? |
| 13:15.41 | raf256 | k112 dont foret to add route and gateway options |
| 13:15.44 | snadge | stew: bodgey.. im holding up on an apt-get upgrade until i've heard some kind of success reports |
| 13:15.45 | tarzeau | elirips: don't run openoffice, don't run kde, don't run gnome |
| 13:15.55 | Penfold | jm_: I suspect *exactly* like apt-rdepends :) |
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| 13:16.00 | Blue9 | elirips, Bigger than 450 is the recommend (I think). |
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| 13:16.09 | Blue9 | *recommended |
| 13:16.15 | MegaHambone | it's frustrating, because EVERY day my vpn disconnects me 8 hours into work - I work 9 hours though, so i'm sure you can see the problem. |
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| 13:16.25 | Penfold | jm_++ |
| 13:16.32 | Penfold | perfect. thanks |
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| 13:16.36 | snadge | MegaHambone, use the source luke ;) |
| 13:16.38 | tarzeau | MegaHambone: what's the name of the vpn software? i know this problem , i heard of it |
| 13:16.41 | raf256 | MegaHambone: play quake in the first half-our, and flirt with secretaries in the last one, easy |
| 13:16.44 | tarzeau | snadge: it's the vpn server |
| 13:17.00 | black_Nightmare | hey there...just wondering but how well are belkin wireless cards supported? (pcmcia, not pci heh) |
| 13:17.04 | snadge | tarzeau, pwn3d then ;) |
| 13:17.21 | stew | dpkg get xorg is also currently nvidia-glx is not working with xorg. so if you need 3d accel with an nvidia card, don't migrate to xorg |
| 13:17.22 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 13:17.23 | elirips | tarzeau: can you recommend me some word-processor that somebody used to word can use with linux, but still runs on a 300mhz machine with 64MB of ram? |
| 13:17.28 | pif | hi, since dist-upgrading to xorg I can no longer use XDMCP, any quick fix? |
| 13:17.37 | tarzeau | elirips: textedit.app ? |
| 13:17.56 | simonrvn | elirips: abiword |
| 13:18.20 | Blue9 | elirips, vi :) |
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| 13:18.32 | black_Nightmare | its just that I found a nice inexpensive retail one but...no point buying it if it wouldn't work :) |
| 13:18.42 | simonrvn | WP, not editor |
| 13:18.42 | elirips | Blue9: little bit hard for someone who is used to ms word :P |
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| 13:18.51 | Blue9 | elirips: I'm kidding. |
| 13:18.54 | asg | elirips: then use vigor |
| 13:19.11 | MegaHambone | tarzeau, it's AT&T net client. |
| 13:19.34 | snadge | haha.. a mate of mine just upgraded to x.org and said "brb" |
| 13:19.43 | snadge | i bet i wont see him for a while ;) |
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| 13:19.49 | greycat | he said "brb" after the upgrade, or before? :) |
| 13:19.51 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite snadge |
| 13:19.52 | THUG-banga | FieldySnuts: Error: "aussiesmite" is not a valid command. |
| 13:19.52 | ravenbird | snadge: i wouldnt take a back hander for that bush pig bloody mate |
| 13:20.01 | snadge | before the upgrade |
| 13:20.08 | Hiruko | jim: what would i use to get patched modules from my source? |
| 13:20.10 | MegaHambone | I'd like to think the VPN connection is eliminated, because when I connect directly to the cable modem, I can stay online for days. |
| 13:20.14 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: looks like ravenbird has competition. |
| 13:20.23 | simonrvn | it's a fucking supybot |
| 13:20.28 | FieldySnuts | a what? |
| 13:20.35 | simonrvn | whois it |
| 13:21.07 | FieldySnuts | why is it here, then? (much less allowed) |
| 13:21.10 | sema4 | anyone know how to get X to see (ie in xev) my "not normal" keys presses? ... I have set them on the console using setkeycodes |
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| 13:21.18 | simonrvn | NFC |
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| 13:21.36 | FieldySnuts | THUG-banga: what are you? |
| 13:21.37 | THUG-banga | FieldySnuts: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 13:21.39 | jm_ | sema4: you mean xkbwatch? |
| 13:21.41 | FieldySnuts | dumbass. |
| 13:21.45 | simonrvn | @kill THUG-banga |
| 13:21.46 | THUG-banga | simonrvn: Error: "kill" is not a valid command. |
| 13:21.53 | Blue9 | THUG-banga credits |
| 13:21.53 | THUG-banga | Blue9: Error: "credits" is not a valid command. |
| 13:21.56 | Blue9 | @credits |
| 13:21.56 | THUG-banga | Blue9: Error: "credits" is not a valid command. |
| 13:21.57 | elirips | asg: what the hell is vigor, i just installed it, whats the purpose of it? |
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| 13:22.00 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: might we get rid of THUG-banga ? |
| 13:22.05 | asg | !info vigor |
| 13:22.11 | dpkg | vigor: (nvi with the evil paperclip), section editors, is extra. Version: 0.016-8 (sid), Packaged size: 261 kB, Installed size: 680 kB |
| 13:22.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 13:22.16 | sema4 | jm_: what's that? |
| 13:22.24 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 13:22.24 | kbrooks | So. I have a question. |
| 13:22.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b THUG-banga!*@*] by caphuso |
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| 13:22.39 | asg | kbrooks: the answer is at febrile.org |
| 13:22.45 | jm_ | sema4: shows meta keys |
| 13:22.50 | YaleR | I ran fsck on a mounted partition, I think I'm going to commit suicide |
| 13:22.51 | jm_ | well their activity |
| 13:23.01 | Blue9 | YaleR, oops! |
| 13:23.02 | kbrooks | I have problems with LVM. |
| 13:23.06 | YaleR | fuck my life |
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| 13:23.07 | raf256 | asg: I used vigor twice. 1st time it hanged on startup, second time it did nothing interesting. it sucksc donkey balls |
| 13:23.09 | kbrooks | i tried to set it up |
| 13:23.13 | YaleR | goodbye cruel world |
| 13:23.21 | kbrooks | in debian installer |
| 13:23.22 | resiak | !tell kbrooks -about entrer |
| 13:23.23 | resiak | !tell kbrooks -about enter |
| 13:23.28 | kbrooks | ok ok |
| 13:23.30 | simonrvn | i have problems with multiline questions spaced over 10 minutes of channel activity |
| 13:23.34 | asg | raf256: then you have two reasons not to use it. |
| 13:23.34 | YaleR | is there ANY possible way to recover?! |
| 13:23.39 | raf256 | YaleR: didnt fsck asks for confirmation? |
| 13:23.40 | asg | YaleR: backups? |
| 13:23.41 | sema4 | jm_: this is a laptop ... there is an "eject" button (Fn+F10) ... I have set it to `etkeycodes e009 161` ( "KEY_EJECTCD" ) |
| 13:23.45 | snadge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.49 | YaleR | backups is the only answer? |
| 13:23.50 | sema4 | jm_: but X doesnt see it |
| 13:23.51 | jm_ | sema4: ahh that |
| 13:23.52 | YaleR | oh my god |
| 13:23.57 | raf256 | asg: yes. but the first thing actually is good - very simmilar to real paperclip ;) |
| 13:24.00 | YaleR | I'm so fucked, some of my work was on there : |
| 13:24.02 | asg | snadge: apt-cache policy xfree86-common |
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| 13:24.17 | jm_ | sema4: tried using tools like hotkeys? |
| 13:24.18 | raf256 | YaleR: what fs? |
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| 13:24.21 | kbrooks | I have problems with LVM. When I use the Debian-installer and try to create LVM volume groups, it won't work. |
| 13:24.24 | YaleR | ext3, the deathtrap |
| 13:24.26 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 13:24.26 | greycat | snadge: apt-cache search xserver |
| 13:24.28 | resiak | !don't work |
| 13:24.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:24.30 | kbrooks | Errors out. |
| 13:24.33 | raf256 | sema4: also perhaps: xbindkeys |
| 13:24.34 | greycat | snadge: it's not that hard. |
| 13:24.36 | jm_ | sema4: I remember reading some document about this, but can't recall where |
| 13:24.37 | asg | sema4: also, linkead and xbindkeys |
| 13:24.37 | kbrooks | Anyone? |
| 13:24.43 | raf256 | !anyone |
| 13:24.44 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:24.47 | ^rob^ | kbrooks: what does not work? |
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| 13:24.53 | snadge | greycat, sorry .. i've been drinking home made distillate |
| 13:25.01 | black_Nightmare | anyone? |
| 13:25.02 | asg | !d&d |
| 13:25.02 | dpkg | Don't drink and deb. It might make sense to install SID after a few tequila's, but it's one hell of a hangover!, or the (in)famous Dungeons and Dragons pen&paper roleplaying game |
| 13:25.05 | resiak | kbrooks: You haven't asked a very good question. Put all the relevant detail in it and someone might help. |
| 13:25.08 | YaleR | raf256: ext3, did you see? |
| 13:25.08 | elirips | can i somehow find out on which debian-sarge-iso-cd which packages are? i only need xfree86, abiword and some window-manager, idd like to avoid downloading all the isos. |
| 13:25.09 | stew | sema4: man xmodmap / xkeycaps |
| 13:25.19 | asg | elirips: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 13:25.21 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: pong |
| 13:25.23 | kbrooks | resiak, Detail like what? |
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| 13:25.33 | sema4 | jm_: asg: there ins't sust some normal way ? |
| 13:25.33 | resiak | kbrooks: Like what the bloody error _is_. |
| 13:25.35 | raf256 | YaleR: hmm... ext3 was told to be vey durable, but I actually find it not true.. |
| 13:25.35 | elirips | asg: thanks |
| 13:25.48 | sema4 | jm_: asg: I just thought it's odd that X cant see it at all |
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| 13:26.01 | kbrooks | resiak, I don't remember it, but the error hints that the partitions may be in use |
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| 13:26.16 | resiak | kbrooks: Well go and _write_it_down_. |
| 13:26.17 | resiak | FFS. |
| 13:26.19 | d03boy | when will firefox 1.0.5 be added to the package list? |
| 13:26.23 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: about config-2.6.12.2 ? |
| 13:26.31 | tarzeau | d03boy: soon. in sid |
| 13:26.33 | greycat | d03boy: WIR. |
| 13:26.54 | d03boy | k |
| 13:26.57 | greycat | what *I* want to know is "when will there be a mozex for firefox > 0.8 so I can un-hold firefox 0.8" |
| 13:26.58 | shift-u | Hello everyone |
| 13:26.59 | asg | SIYGTMABOC |
| 13:27.00 | jm_ | sema4: I think this is pretty much normal, you have to map it to some known key or somesuch |
| 13:27.10 | ^rob^ | kbrooks: man read this first - http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
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| 13:27.18 | d03boy | whats a mozex |
| 13:27.22 | sema4 | jm_; but first dont I have to get X to see it first? |
| 13:27.25 | shift-u | Little question, which file system should I use with a scsi hdd 4 gb??? |
| 13:27.34 | sbk | in a /proc/<pid>/maps entry, what does a ---p entry mean? If I can't read/write/execute it, what's the good of having a private copy-on-write :) |
| 13:27.38 | black_Nightmare | nevermind..I'll just save my question another time |
| 13:27.41 | greycat | shift-u: whichever you want. |
| 13:27.51 | jm_ | sema4: I don't remember all the details, and we definitely need much better documentation for configuring keyboard in X |
| 13:27.54 | greycat | !WIDHE |
| 13:27.54 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 13:27.56 | kbrooks | ^rob^, but I'm doing this in the debian installer. So the partitions must already be in use, correct? |
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| 13:28.11 | EtelE_ | hi all |
| 13:28.14 | shift-u | Anyone specially? |
| 13:28.16 | ^rob^ | kbrooks: nope - if you install - you make the partitions - correct? |
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| 13:28.33 | greycat | shift-u: if you don't have a specific reason to decide on one of them, just use the default |
| 13:28.35 | ^rob^ | lvm is like freebsd partiton |
| 13:28.41 | da_bon_bon | !debiancore |
| 13:28.47 | d03boy | black_Nightmare, im sure there would be something on goggle.com |
| 13:28.54 | kbrooks | ^rob^, But the partitions ARE mounted. |
| 13:28.57 | da_bon_bon | can someone point me to link about the "debian core" initiative ? |
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| 13:29.05 | EtelE_ | hi all |
| 13:29.09 | ^rob^ | kbrooks: then what does not work? |
| 13:29.12 | asg | da_bon_bon: progeny.com I expect |
| 13:29.15 | shift-u | greycat, Default? |
| 13:29.17 | EtelE_ | I can use some help with kernel compiling |
| 13:29.22 | EtelE_ | can somebody help? |
| 13:29.27 | da_bon_bon | ok, asac |
| 13:29.27 | greycat | @dict default |
| 13:29.28 | da_bon_bon | *asg |
| 13:29.32 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'default' (1 of 10): loss due to not showing up; "he lost the game by default". |
| 13:29.37 | greycat | EtelE_: Don't do it. |
| 13:29.41 | greycat | there, that should help. |
| 13:29.50 | greycat | ravenbird: hehe |
| 13:29.51 | ravenbird | !lart everyone for abusing dpkg's lart feature |
| 13:29.51 | ^rob^ | what's the gnome WM package in debian - i got sick of kde - i wnat to try gnome |
| 13:29.52 | EtelE_ | I have trouble with SMP |
| 13:30.00 | stew | !wayc EtelE_ |
| 13:30.05 | dpkg | EtelE_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:30.07 | asg | FieldySnuts: because the installation guide says it's harmless and fun to do. |
| 13:30.13 | FieldySnuts | k |
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| 13:30.27 | FieldySnuts | whoever wrote that bit can support them, then |
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| 13:31.15 | kbrooks | ^rob^, all i'm trying to tell you is that i want LVM, but I can't create any volume groups because the partitions are already mounted. |
| 13:31.18 | greycat | EtelE_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686-smp or whatever you need for your machine. |
| 13:31.20 | asg | FieldySnuts: Don't be afraid to try compiling the kernel. It's fun and profitable. |
| 13:31.20 | kbrooks | Understood? |
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| 13:31.27 | asg | FieldySnuts: Section 8.5.1 |
| 13:31.41 | shift-u | greycat, So, you mean that I can put any one I want? |
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| 13:32.01 | kbrooks | shift-u, yes. linux is flexible |
| 13:32.11 | greycat | kbrooks: so, uh, you want to build a shopping mall, but you can't, because there's already a parking garage there? |
| 13:32.22 | greycat | 09:32 Ignoring MSGS from EtelE_ |
| 13:32.23 | greycat | !msg |
| 13:32.23 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 13:32.31 | daisuke | anyone recommend a binary news reader? |
| 13:32.34 | EtelE_ | because it isn't working |
| 13:32.53 | Lee__ | I got this touchpad on the laptop. It won't leave tapmode=1. tpconfig -t reports tapmode is disabled but it's not. How do I disable tapmode? |
| 13:32.59 | CoBoLt | hi everyone, I am trying to build a live boot cd with dfsbuild, I already have an image, but now my kernel panics with cannot modprobe -s -k iso9660... |
| 13:33.02 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 13:33.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:33.08 | CoBoLt | I have tried several custom kernel but still no go? |
| 13:33.09 | stew | EtelE_: what isn't working? what are you going to change in the kenrel config to fix that? |
| 13:33.19 | da_bon_bon | lol |
| 13:33.21 | CoBoLt | does debian support isofs in the kernel itself or it's initrd? |
| 13:33.23 | da_bon_bon | dpkg is funny |
| 13:33.25 | shift-u | greycat, Wont It be better to put a reiser or an ext3 one? |
| 13:33.39 | kbrooks | greycat, I do not know if that's applicable, but.....how about I redo ALL of the specific partitions and TRY to create LVM on it again? |
| 13:33.40 | snadge | greycat, you told me to apt-cache search xserver before.. apparently there is no x.org server for amd64 yet (my mate tried it.. hes on a cool machine unlike my crappy old 1.2ghz athlon) :p |
| 13:33.40 | asg | CoBoLt: what does the kernel's .config say |
| 13:33.50 | CoBoLt | asg, It said M |
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| 13:33.53 | CoBoLt | changed it to y |
| 13:33.57 | CoBoLt | rebuilt the kernel |
| 13:34.07 | CoBoLt | copied it into the image and recreated an .iso for |
| 13:34.09 | CoBoLt | no go... |
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| 13:34.20 | CoBoLt | I am trying to build a rather clean kernel atm |
| 13:34.26 | raf256 | I have SATA hdd (120 GB western digital) doest it realy nor support SMART or is this fault of kernel? |
| 13:34.36 | greycat | snadge: I'm not familiar with other arches besides i386. be patient, I guess, or ask the amd64 channel. |
| 13:34.37 | CoBoLt | no one who had the same problem? |
| 13:34.40 | Lee__ | raf256: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 13:34.47 | jm_ | raf256: did you check Linux SATA page what it says about SMART? |
| 13:34.57 | asg | CoBoLt: well, make sure the kernel + initrd actually boots the machine before trying to use it to build a livecd |
| 13:35.03 | raf256 | Lee__: smartmontools is already the newest version. |
| 13:35.11 | CoBoLt | my regular systems runs fine, asg |
| 13:35.14 | yaarg | `/win 10 |
| 13:35.15 | Rawplayer | . |
| 13:35.15 | Lee__ | what does smartmontools saay about your disks? |
| 13:35.15 | raf256 | jm_: with one? |
| 13:35.16 | kbrooks | greycat, i'll memorise the error message |
| 13:35.19 | asg | CoBoLt: also, bootcd makes making live cds a breeze. |
| 13:35.21 | CoBoLt | it's the iso which is running strane |
| 13:35.22 | jm_ | raf256: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 13:35.24 | kbrooks | if i get one |
| 13:35.33 | CoBoLt | asg, better than dfsbuild? |
| 13:35.57 | Lee__ | so any ideas on how to disable tapmode on the touchpad if tpconfig doesn't do it correctly? |
| 13:36.00 | asg | CoBoLt: never used dfsbuild so I can't comment. |
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| 13:36.09 | CoBoLt | ah k |
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| 13:36.19 | js_ | is there an ext3 hacker in here? after ive used my filesystem for a while i get the following error spammed everywhere, and the fs becomes useless until i fsck it: "EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_readdir: directory #131231 contains a hole at offset 1074782208" .. any idea what could be wrong? no hardware errors at all show up, so i think this has something to do with the filesystem itself |
| 13:36.24 | asg | CoBoLt: bootcd can take your running kernel (or another one) and build a live cd of your system, a system in a chroot, and other goodies. |
| 13:36.28 | underdog | Hi guys. I'm having trouble reading/writing CD's on my laptop. I'm currently using kernel 2.6.11 |
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| 13:36.31 | underdog | Any ideas? |
| 13:36.35 | CoBoLt | hmmm |
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| 13:36.36 | kbrooks | hm. ill brb |
| 13:36.37 | Rawplayer | server -quakenet |
| 13:36.44 | CoBoLt | guess I am going to need to check that then :p |
| 13:36.50 | asg | underdog: does it work with earlier kernels? |
| 13:36.51 | CoBoLt | dfsbuild is not quite a breeze :p |
| 13:36.56 | CoBoLt | more like 3 days already |
| 13:36.59 | Lee__ | underdog: yeah, try again? seriously, how is it failing? |
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| 13:37.34 | Lee__ | !any ideas |
| 13:37.34 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and 42 three-legged weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 13:37.38 | underdog | asg, Lee__ it won't work with other kernels. It's rather stupid actually, I've only used the CD-ROM once to install debian. After that, it wasn't used anymore |
| 13:37.51 | Lee__ | !doesn't work |
| 13:37.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:38.01 | ducky | how do you change the login message that is displayed when your first ssh into your account?? |
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| 13:38.05 | raf256 | jm_: "SMART support will be integrated very soon" - so I just have to wait for the new kernel eh? :-/ |
| 13:38.06 | JediMaster | hi guys, anyone remember what package "dig" is in? |
| 13:38.07 | greycat | ducky: /etc/motd |
| 13:38.11 | xenox | hi |
| 13:38.11 | greycat | JediMaster: yes. |
| 13:38.11 | Lee__ | ducky: editor /etc/motd |
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| 13:38.19 | raf256 | JediMaster: apt-file search dig |
| 13:38.22 | jm_ | raf256: I guess so |
| 13:38.25 | asg | underdog: modprobe cdrom ; mount /cdrom |
| 13:38.28 | underdog | Lee__, hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } / hdb: command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 } / ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 13:38.28 | JediMaster | greycat: care to share it? =) |
| 13:38.33 | xenox | hi |
| 13:38.33 | greycat | JediMaster: dnsutils, of course. |
| 13:38.34 | greycat | !dig |
| 13:38.34 | dpkg | it has been said that dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 13:38.39 | JediMaster | raf256: half a million results for that |
| 13:38.41 | Lee__ | that looks like a bad drive |
| 13:38.45 | raf256 | underdog: I had simmilar problem |
| 13:38.49 | xenox | laptop integra SiS vga glx no ... |
| 13:38.50 | JediMaster | greycat: bah that's it, I was thinking dnstools or something |
| 13:38.52 | ducky | greycat: that's for all users right? Is it possible to change it for just one user? |
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| 13:39.00 | underdog | raf256, did you solve it? |
| 13:39.02 | xenox | helping plz |
| 13:39.04 | raf256 | underdog: no wiat... I had simmilar problem. Mine was kernel issue |
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| 13:39.10 | raf256 | !irritate xenox |
| 13:39.11 | dpkg | xenox: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 13:39.13 | underdog | Lee__, I used it to install debian, so I doubt it ;) |
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| 13:39.26 | Lee__ | underdog: not necessarily. you may have got lucky. |
| 13:39.31 | xenox | rotfl |
| 13:39.32 | kbrooks | brb. |
| 13:39.39 | kbrooks | xenox, not funny |
| 13:39.45 | raf256 | underdog: for _mine_ problem there was a kernel option, soemthing about ATA MULTIMODE, that fixes it |
| 13:39.45 | Lee__ | underdog: can you mount a CD? |
| 13:39.49 | ducky | greycat: sorry hit the escape button and made me exit the channel |
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| 13:40.09 | pll | Hi all... |
| 13:40.12 | raf256 | !tell [smoke] about prvmsg |
| 13:40.33 | raf256 | !tell [smoke] about msg |
| 13:40.39 | yaarg | !tell [smoke] about prvmsg |
| 13:40.50 | underdog | Lee__, now I can. I can't record cd's or listen to audio cd's tho |
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| 13:40.59 | elirips | are there any filemanagers available that look and behaive like konqueror, but dont need that much ressources? |
| 13:41.00 | raf256 | YaleR: yoo to :) ? |
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| 13:41.07 | pll | So, snapshot.debian.net seems to have lost about a year's worth of packages. Anyone know where else packages from this time frame might be found? |
| 13:41.09 | osity | does anyone have software raid 1 experience? |
| 13:41.19 | Lee__ | now, as opposed to before now when what was happening? What did you do differently? |
| 13:41.29 | underdog | nothing diferently |
| 13:41.30 | greycat | ducky: you want *per-user* messages of the day?? |
| 13:41.31 | raf256 | osity: Im going to install it soon :) |
| 13:41.33 | Lee__ | osity: yeah, it functions. |
| 13:41.38 | js_ | how does xfs compare to ext3? |
| 13:41.59 | raf256 | js_: faster, perhaps more realible imho. But I like reiser (3.x) most |
| 13:41.59 | asg | js_: /msg dpkg fs comparison |
| 13:42.01 | osity | raf256?: when is soon |
| 13:42.05 | Lee__ | underdog: so it's not only working "now", it's been working since installation? |
| 13:42.06 | Hiruko | is it possible to use make modules_install to install only specified modules? |
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| 13:42.17 | raf256 | osity: in few hours, or tommorow I quess |
| 13:42.22 | underdog | Lee__, I just read a data CD. |
| 13:42.28 | underdog | Lee__, here's another thing: Failed to open device /dev/hdb for reading: Permission denied |
| 13:42.31 | osity | i have a situation i need to explain... i have trying to install it for months |
| 13:42.38 | greycat | Hiruko: stop trying to subvert the package management system. JUST. FUCKING. STOP! |
| 13:42.46 | Lee__ | js_: I had kernel panics with XFS + a 2.6 kernel. Unfortunately I don't remember the exact versions. |
| 13:42.48 | greycat | Hiruko: do it *right*, or better yet, *don't do it at all*. Use a .deb. |
| 13:42.52 | underdog | Lee__, crap... permission issues |
| 13:42.56 | osity | Lee__: are you familiar with setting it up? |
| 13:43.00 | greycat | !pkgfuck |
| 13:43.00 | dpkg | Don't Fuck With Package Management. |
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| 13:43.05 | Hiruko | greycat -_- |
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| 13:43.19 | Hiruko | you couldn't find a solution to my network problems could you? |
| 13:43.21 | js_ | Lee__: hmm, weird |
| 13:43.23 | Lee__ | osity: yeah. read the RAID howto on the web or use debian-installer to automate a lot of it. |
| 13:43.27 | tarzeau | !2.4.31 |
| 13:43.27 | dpkg | 2.4 |
| 13:43.28 | ignacio | ubuntus-es |
| 13:43.37 | ignacio | #ubuntus-es |
| 13:43.46 | greycat | god damn it, he's back. |
| 13:43.48 | raf256 | ignacio: ? |
| 13:43.49 | greycat | ignacio: /join #ubuntu-es |
| 13:43.50 | sbk | js_: out of curiosity, do you get errors in the same location? |
| 13:43.52 | Hiruko | if you can, then no prob |
| 13:43.52 | durex | folks... there is a good encrypted filesystem to use with debian? |
| 13:43.52 | simonrvn | /join #ubuntu-es |
| 13:43.54 | osity | Lee__: I have read 30 how to's ....i need a walk thru.....can you help |
| 13:43.57 | raf256 | !es |
| 13:43.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:44.06 | Lee__ | osity: debian-installer is a good walkthrough. |
| 13:44.08 | ignacio | gracias greycat |
| 13:44.11 | Lee__ | it's menu-driven |
| 13:44.18 | osity | lee: im using ubuntu |
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| 13:44.29 | Lee__ | osity: /join #ubuntu |
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| 13:44.35 | raf256 | durex: I quess AES cryptpoloops, didnt try it yet. wanna try doing it togeather? (I mean: using the cryptoloop, ofc... ;) |
| 13:44.46 | Lee__ | dirty |
| 13:44.48 | js_ | sbk: what do you mean by location? im not sure the inode thats shown in dmesg is the same between fsck/mounts, but its always one inode # thats shown |
| 13:44.57 | green_earz | osity: here a link for a raid1 howto > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 13:44.58 | osity | none in there knows i'll get help from someone else ...nevermin |
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| 13:44.58 | durex | raf256 yes, sure |
| 13:45.12 | raf256 | durex: cool, just let me finish starting up of debian installer |
| 13:45.15 | raf256 | (on the 2nd box) |
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| 13:45.27 | raf256 | so... can I put root (/) on an reiserfs? |
| 13:45.28 | durex | raf256 ok, i'm waiting |
| 13:45.29 | durex | :-) |
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| 13:45.40 | Hiruko | what's greycat's problem? |
| 13:45.41 | sbk | js_: yes, that's what I was wondering [whether the same inode shows up everywhere] |
| 13:45.43 | Hiruko | not enough sleep? |
| 13:45.43 | fules67 | hali |
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| 13:45.52 | osity | green_earz: im not using debian |
| 13:45.57 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 13:46.00 | green_earz | ok |
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| 13:46.09 | js_ | sbk: ill have to mount it and have it break again, but i can do that if it gets me somewhere |
| 13:46.12 | yoo | sid use xserver-xorg now ? |
| 13:46.13 | osity | green_earz: im using ybuntu |
| 13:46.15 | raf256 | Hiruko: some ops, while beeing helpfull, get a bit unfriendly over the years :P |
| 13:46.23 | Hiruko | :p |
| 13:46.34 | Hiruko | I'm really trying my best to do this right though.. |
| 13:46.36 | tarzeau | osity: www.cafepress.com/ubunto |
| 13:46.36 | yoo | migrating xserver-xfree86 templates to xserver-xorg |
| 13:46.47 | Lee__ | so about this touchpad problem. if anyone else has a dell inspiron 1150 and can get their touchpad to disable tapmode, could you let me know how you did it? |
| 13:46.48 | greycat | yoo: on i386, apparently. |
| 13:46.54 | Hiruko | just when i have tried to do it that way it doesn't work oO |
| 13:46.55 | yoo | ok |
| 13:46.58 | Hiruko | meh |
| 13:47.00 | simonrvn | ppc too |
| 13:47.13 | CoBoLt | why does a standard debian config have modular IDE support? |
| 13:47.14 | stew | Lee__: /msg dpkg synaptics ; the url in there has all the settings |
| 13:47.20 | Lee__ | stew: thanks |
| 13:47.24 | underdog | Lee__, how can I get the normal users to be able to read/write cd's? |
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| 13:47.35 | greycat | CoBoLt: for software RAID and stuff. |
| 13:47.36 | stew | Lee__: iirc you set taptime to 0 |
| 13:47.42 | raf256 | CoBoLt: to confuse and irritate newbies self-compiling kerne; ;) |
| 13:47.42 | sbk | js_: I don't have any theories myself :) just curious... I was thinking that perhaps you might be able to verify that certain inodes are the issue, using debugfs and trying to "follow" the problem inode(s) |
| 13:47.57 | CoBoLt | raf256 , normally slackware user |
| 13:48.01 | osity | tarzeau: what is that for |
| 13:48.03 | greycat | CoBoLt: apparently all this initrd crap is required for certain weird configurations that no sane person would ever touch |
| 13:48.06 | Lee__ | underdog: give the user you want to access the drive permission to the device. |
| 13:48.14 | CoBoLt | need debian for this specific project |
| 13:48.15 | raf256 | greycat: I *must* have hdd's (drivers/sata/fs) as modules to use RAID (or to use RAID for /) ? |
| 13:48.24 | CoBoLt | greycat, I seem to notice :p |
| 13:48.34 | js_ | sbk: yeah, ok |
| 13:48.37 | underdog | Lee__, chown amedeiros /dev/hdb? |
| 13:48.40 | tarzeau | osity: beautiful ybuntu t-shirts |
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| 13:48.51 | Lee__ | underdog: chgrp cdrom /dev/hdx |
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| 13:49.12 | Lee__ | underdog: and make sure you're in the cdrom group |
| 13:49.18 | raf256 | d-i hanged on Installing base packages... 61% .... wtf?! |
| 13:49.22 | Lee__ | if you installed sarge you are by default. |
| 13:49.32 | greycat | raf256: try without it and see if it works. |
| 13:49.33 | raf256 | ...hmm no, it just takes realy long in that point it seems. |
| 13:49.34 | osity | tarzeau: greta |
| 13:49.37 | greycat | raf256: I won't do your research for you |
| 13:49.39 | osity | tarzeau: great |
| 13:49.42 | Lee__ | raf256: alt + F4? |
| 13:49.54 | sbk | js_: so that offset (1074782208) looks above 0.5 terabytes -- how big is that partition? |
| 13:50.18 | underdog | Lee__, thanks! |
| 13:50.22 | Lee__ | np |
| 13:50.34 | js_ | sbk: its roughly 1.1T |
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| 13:50.52 | raf256 | if I will install GRUB into MBR and then modify /boot/grub/menu.lst to include chainloadr for winXp then winXp will boot in normally? |
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| 13:50.52 | mikael_ | hello |
| 13:50.52 | js_ | sbk: created on an lvm volume |
| 13:50.52 | nazgul | hi |
| 13:50.52 | green_earz | raf256: have you check the cd integrity ? |
| 13:50.59 | mikael_ | I would like to know if NON-US still exists |
| 13:51.03 | asg | mikael_: /topic |
| 13:51.08 | raf256 | green_earz: sorry, fals alarm, it works, only it stucks on 61% for quite long time |
| 13:51.17 | green_earz | ok |
| 13:51.18 | osity | can someone that has software raid setup please message me |
| 13:51.20 | raf256 | mikael_: afair it was removed |
| 13:51.29 | sbk | js_: ah, ok. And I take it that there are no interesting messages before that one? |
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| 13:51.36 | raf256 | mikael_: also, bush the orangutan is planning to make all the World a state of USA, so anyway... |
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| 13:52.15 | mikael_ | raf256 thanx, but where did the packages from NON-US go ? |
| 13:52.17 | nazgul | * autogen problems: http://pastebin.com/312522 |
| 13:52.30 | Lee__ | mikael_: read the topic |
| 13:52.33 | jcase | can anyone confirm that it is ok to chmod 000 /usr/bin/ld to harden security? Is this a bad idea? |
| 13:52.34 | asg | mikael_: /msg dpkg crypto in main (like the topic told you) |
| 13:52.35 | raf256 | mikael_: I dunno... but I guess there are now in non-free perhaps? |
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| 13:53.12 | Lee__ | jcase: wouldn't that prevent linking libraries? |
| 13:53.21 | asg | jcase: anyone who can get an account on your box can download their own ld |
| 13:53.22 | greycat | jcase: that is just about the stupidest thing I've heard this year. |
| 13:53.25 | js_ | sbk: nothing that i can find |
| 13:53.32 | jcase | not if wget is 000 |
| 13:53.36 | simonrvn | QOTY4 |
| 13:53.47 | raf256 | I do not want my box to be an email server - just to deliver some mail locally... how to do it? apt-get instal... there was some tinymail or something |
| 13:53.49 | Lee__ | perhaps you can uninstall your operating system to increase security? |
| 13:53.52 | greycat | jcase: set up a restricted shell. google for it. WE WILL NOT HELP YOU. Have a nice day. |
| 13:54.11 | asg | jcase: cat /usr/bin/ld | ssh me@host "cat ->> ./ld" |
| 13:54.11 | mikael_ | asg sorry i am not very familiar with irc slang |
| 13:54.14 | Lee__ | raf256: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:54.48 | asg | mikael_: type '/topic' in your irc client, you will then see the channel topic (where we put information of value and FAQs) |
| 13:54.50 | CoBoLt | Does anyone know what (during boot) failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-9653, errno=8 is |
| 13:54.54 | CoBoLt | and how to solve it? |
| 13:54.56 | sbk | js_: ok. Oh well -- sorry, don't have any good ideas |
| 13:54.58 | js_ | sbk: i browsed the messages logs and found that its not the same inode each time |
| 13:55.02 | Hiruko | greycat stupidest isn't a word. |
| 13:55.02 | js_ | sbk: alright |
| 13:55.06 | mikael_ | asg ok :) |
| 13:55.25 | Lee__ | !stupidest |
| 13:55.31 | Lee__ | nope, it's not. |
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| 13:55.38 | stew | mikael_: is there a package in particular you are looking for? /msg dpkg search <- will tell you how to find it |
| 13:55.40 | greycat | yeah, dpkg's silence proves it! |
| 13:55.43 | greycat | !life on mars |
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| 13:55.46 | asg | hah |
| 13:55.47 | greycat | see, there's no life on mars!! |
| 13:55.55 | Lee__ | awesome! I knew it. |
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| 13:56.02 | simonrvn | @dict stupidest |
| 13:56.03 | ravenbird | could not find definition for stupidest |
| 13:56.05 | honschu | why doesn't the auto-completition doesn't work in kdevelop? |
| 13:56.06 | mikael_ | stew thanx, I will check |
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| 13:56.15 | asg | honschu: #debian-kde might know |
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| 13:56.23 | simonrvn | because it's auto-completion? |
| 13:56.25 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.27 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.31 | sanxiyn | asg: Is #debian an alias for #debian-gnome? |
| 13:56.34 | kl12 | hi any one knows how can i know my MAC address? |
| 13:56.36 | asg | sanxiyn: god no |
| 13:56.47 | asg | sanxiyn: they are on oftc.net |
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| 13:56.51 | stew | kl12: ifconfig or ip addr |
| 13:56.52 | Lee__ | kl12: ifconfig -a |
| 13:57.18 | kl12 | ok thanks :D |
| 13:57.19 | sanxiyn | asg: Is #debian an alias for #debian-i386? |
| 13:57.19 | Hiruko | http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=stupidest&x=2&y=22 |
| 13:57.21 | Hiruko | lol |
| 13:57.33 | greycat | sanxiyn: pretty close. |
| 13:57.37 | asg | sanxiyn: generally |
| 13:57.38 | greycat | #debian-en-i386 |
| 13:57.41 | CoBoLt | Does anyone know what (during boot) failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-9653, errno=8 is |
| 13:57.43 | Hiruko | I don't see stupidest on that definition even when searching for stupidest |
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| 13:57.51 | Hiruko | w/e |
| 13:57.54 | greycat | Hiruko: it's used in the titles of at least two published books. |
| 13:58.03 | greycat | and that's just from the *first* page of google results |
| 13:58.19 | Hiruko | ah |
| 13:58.27 | Hiruko | and titles don't have to be gramatically correct |
| 13:58.28 | Lee__ | I told someone to download the i386 installer for Debian and they told me they didn't have a 386 anymore, they had a Pentium 4. |
| 13:58.29 | simonrvn | dk0r_: you're not going to get a different answer in here |
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| 13:58.42 | js_ | what blocksize do you recommend for a large xfs file system that wont store files larger than 100mb? |
| 13:58.56 | Hiruko | http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=79214&dict=CALD |
| 13:59.03 | Hiruko | okay i'm gonna drop it |
| 13:59.04 | dk0r_ | simonrvn: ? |
| 13:59.07 | Hiruko | it's ironic though, what you said |
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| 14:03.41 | raf256 | I want box2 to mount box1://var/ directory. what commend shouid I give on box2 what on box1? |
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| 14:04.03 | stew | raf256: what have you tried so far? |
| 14:04.13 | asg | odds are nothing |
| 14:04.28 | raf256 | stew: well FTP and SSH works, but I would like the NFS thingy |
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| 14:04.36 | stew | raf256: and its not working? |
| 14:04.55 | asg | !shfs |
| 14:04.56 | dpkg | methinks shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 14:05.09 | greycat | raf256: mount box1:/var /somewhere |
| 14:05.22 | greycat | raf256: after you've set up box1 as the NFS server, of course. |
| 14:05.25 | elirips | does anyone know how i can burn cds as a normal user with xcdroast? burning as root works fine, but as user i just get: 'cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive.'. |
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| 14:05.50 | asg | elirips: sudo is an option |
| 14:06.17 | chiaki | hi |
| 14:06.18 | mikael_ | thanx |
| 14:06.29 | bigfoot1 | hi everyone. I was wondering if anybody has/uses/knows about iaxclient. well, it's a file necessary for kiax. Anyway, on iaxclient's website (http://sourceforge.net/projects/iaxclient/), there's no deb file available. is there another place to get this deb file? The website has CVS, but it's real messy for me. The "sudo make install" command doesn't work. |
| 14:06.39 | Exit83 | quick question: if you die make menuconfig and after uou are ready, what do you type and in which order? (i forgot) make modules && make install && make modules_install && make bzImage |
| 14:06.43 | Exit83 | that order? |
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| 14:06.58 | asg | Exit83: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:06.58 | tralala | !debian kernel package |
| 14:07.06 | chiaki | how to make a ftpuser with proftpd? |
| 14:07.17 | greycat | chiaki: adduser |
| 14:07.18 | asg | read the voluminous docs? |
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| 14:07.22 | elirips | asg: well, but isn't it possible to do it without? with kernel 2.4.x i was able to burn cds as normal user without sudo - isn't that possible anylonger with 2.6.x? |
| 14:07.23 | greycat | !l33t ftp |
| 14:07.23 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
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| 14:07.30 | Exit83 | asg i dont want to do it the debian way |
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| 14:07.37 | greycat | maybe I should change that to "to lame" [sic] |
| 14:07.41 | asg | Exit83: then read the kernel source documentation |
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| 14:07.46 | greycat | in honor of bitchx |
| 14:07.46 | chiaki | i have add the user but when i log in password false |
| 14:07.51 | Exit83 | asg i used this several times be4 with succes, but i for got the right order |
| 14:08.33 | asg | Exit83: the right order is specified in the kernel source README file |
| 14:08.46 | Exit83 | asg thx |
| 14:08.52 | asg | greycat: you should |
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| 14:09.35 | sanxiyn | elirips: Are you in cdrom group |
| 14:09.38 | greycat | asg: nah, too confusing. |
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| 14:10.04 | asg | greycat: someone would probably correct it anyway. |
| 14:10.05 | greycat | anyone who needs to read that factoid wouldn't get the joke |
| 14:10.19 | elirips | sanxiyn: yes, i am. buring with k3b is working as user. only xcdroast not. |
| 14:10.27 | greycat | and if the joke were explained in the factoid, it would be aesthetically damaged |
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| 14:11.38 | jethro | hello. is there a way to force which compiler I want to use, when building modules with modules-assistant? I used MAKEFLAGS for make-kpkg but m-a keeps on using some other gcc version than the one set in MAKEFLAGS, and I get an "Invalid module format" when trying to load the module I just built fine. |
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| 14:12.06 | greycat | jethro: you may have to set HOSTCC as well as CC |
| 14:12.17 | jethro | greycat: using MAKEFLAGS? |
| 14:12.19 | greycat | jethro: or when it doubt, just edit the makefiles or change /usr/bin/gcc |
| 14:12.34 | osity | raid help needed |
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| 14:12.45 | jethro | greycat: I tried this, but the Makefile for the module has no CC variable set. I'll give HOSTCC a try, thanks for the reply. |
| 14:12.49 | mina_linux_Tux | hey i used dyndns.org to get a domain name , so now i'm in my way to configuring apache, any pointer to a good and simple docs ? |
| 14:12.52 | tralala | jethro: I usually do CC=gcc-3.4 make-kpkg (or m-a a-i) |
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| 14:13.29 | jethro | tralala: I think you have to use MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-foo". I'll try setting CC only. thanks for your input as well. |
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| 14:14.09 | tralala | errr... yup, for make-kpkg you have to. I'm not sure for m-a but I think you need CC there. |
| 14:14.11 | haven_ | Can anybody help with using the 'mail' program? |
| 14:14.33 | greycat | haven_: the man can. |
| 14:14.34 | tralala | haven_: the manual? |
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| 14:15.03 | haven_ | <-- newbie Don't know where to look for the manuals. :) |
| 14:15.12 | greycat | man man |
| 14:15.13 | greycat | man mail |
| 14:15.22 | mina_linux_Tux | does anyone knows about this dyndns.org ? |
| 14:15.24 | macnamara | can someone help? |
| 14:15.25 | macnamara | rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian. |
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| 14:15.36 | pureone | !alien |
| 14:15.36 | dpkg | methinks alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 14:15.37 | greycat | macnamara: don't do it. |
| 14:16.00 | raf256 | hmm my masquarade works a bit - I can ping internet hosts, but I can not connect to them... |
| 14:16.02 | macnamara | greycat: what? |
| 14:16.08 | haven_ | Thank you greycat |
| 14:16.12 | greycat | macnamara: don't alien RPMs. use native packages. |
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| 14:16.27 | haven_ | and tralala |
| 14:16.28 | raf256 | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 10.99.33.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 193.25.2.66 && iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 14:16.28 | greycat | alienate. that's the word I want here. |
| 14:16.35 | raf256 | ^-- did I set up something wrong with gateway firewall? |
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| 14:16.44 | macnamara | greycat: this is the only one I have got |
| 14:16.46 | bigfoot1 | are sources in the repo the same as a CVS? |
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| 14:17.00 | sanxiyn | macnamara: What is it |
| 14:17.14 | jethro | raf256: is 193.25 your public IP ? |
| 14:17.16 | macnamara | sanxiyn: nero, I want to give it a try |
| 14:17.17 | haven_ | Second Question is there any way to bypass the automatic boot to Gnome and boot to the shell? |
| 14:17.20 | raf256 | jethro: yes |
| 14:17.26 | asg | haven_: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 14:17.37 | jethro | raf256: use either snat or masquerade then. you don't need both |
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| 14:17.50 | tralala | raf256: you allowed everyone to pass through your firewall |
| 14:17.52 | raf256 | jethro: with is better for small home betwork with 2-3 hosts? |
| 14:18.04 | mina_linux_Tux | i want to configure my system to be a webServer , already i have a domain name , what can i do |
| 14:18.06 | jethro | raf256: MASQUERADE, because you don't have to give the public IP |
| 14:18.09 | sanxiyn | macnamara: I think NeroLINUX is also available in .deb? |
| 14:18.12 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: apt-get install apache |
| 14:18.15 | raf256 | tralala: I will fine tune it later, the hosts behind gateway have own firewall |
| 14:18.26 | mina_linux_Tux | asg: already done what's after ? |
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| 14:18.35 | count | hi |
| 14:18.37 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: apt-get install apache-doc ; read docs |
| 14:18.45 | haven_ | asg Can it be done on a user by user basis? |
| 14:18.47 | tralala | raf256: SNAT is for static IPs, MASQ is for dynamic. Don't use both. |
| 14:18.48 | sanxiyn | Yes, it is. "download NeroLINUX deb trial version here" etc. |
| 14:18.55 | chiaki | how to make a ftpuser without shell? |
| 14:18.56 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone, im trying to diagnose a hd with trouble. I did hdparm -i /dev/hdd and it's recognized, but I don't know how to mount it or access it. I actually want to retrieve data from there, anyway to find out if possible? |
| 14:19.00 | macnamara | it is an rpm package, so I guess it can be installed in debian right? |
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| 14:19.03 | greycat | !l33t ftp |
| 14:19.03 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
| 14:19.06 | sanxiyn | macnamara: What? |
| 14:19.14 | sanxiyn | macnamara: Nero is available in Debian package format. Get deb. |
| 14:19.23 | raf256 | ok, I use iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE but still I can ping inet hosts, but not connect to them |
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| 14:19.35 | jethro | raf256: SNAT has its use if you have multiple private IPs and multiple public ones, and you want to do one for one nat |
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| 14:19.50 | nazgul | hmmm anybody: how to set a non-system-wide locale for a user? |
| 14:19.50 | jethro | raf256: of course you need to enable ip_forwarding as well. |
| 14:19.51 | asg | haven_: erm, the system will not know who's booting so it couldn't make that determination. gdm can probably be configured to have a drop to console mode though. |
| 14:20.07 | raf256 | jethro: I thought I did, how to check is it actually allowed? |
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| 14:20.18 | leOn | greycat: what does the fact of not wanting to use users in /etc/passwd have to do with setting shells to /bin/false .. ? |
| 14:20.19 | haven_ | asg: Any ideas how to tell gdm this information? |
| 14:20.34 | asg | haven_: I sure don't, someone else probably knows though. |
| 14:20.34 | count | can someone recommend one of the newer laptops that is a very small size and is light, that runs well with linux ? |
| 14:20.44 | jethro | raf256: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward |
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| 14:20.57 | haven_ | asg: Okay. Thank you. |
| 14:20.58 | raf256 | jethro: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 14:21.11 | raf256 | jethro: also iptables are open (no rules, all ACCEPT) |
| 14:21.12 | jethro | raf256: then make sure you're not allowing icmp and denying tcp/udp |
| 14:21.21 | asg | count: if you don't care about suspend/resume/hibernate, the latitude d600 I have works rather well. Thinkpads are also suggested. |
| 14:21.30 | raf256 | jethro: no rules (iptables -F) and all policies ALLOW... |
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| 14:21.46 | ultraviolet16 | hi guys.. sorry to bother again, trying to determine is /dev/hdd is corrupt. if it's not i want to retrieve what i can from it. it's ntfs.. any ideas? |
| 14:21.53 | count | asg: i used software suspend, this should work, right ? |
| 14:22.01 | jethro | raf256: type iptables -L -v -n in a root shell, and put the result in a pastebin. if you can type iptables-save too that'd be helpful to support your problem. |
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| 14:22.16 | tralala | raf256: can you ping from the firewall box? |
| 14:22.25 | raf256 | p/msg paster |
| 14:22.26 | sanxiyn | count: famous last word, etc |
| 14:22.41 | asg | count: it may now with newer kernels, but I don't know for sure. |
| 14:22.46 | abrotman | hrm .. anyone else get a security update for libkrb53 .. but not see a DSA ? |
| 14:22.51 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 14:22.51 | raf256 | wtf was ul for paster and why /msg paster help do not work |
| 14:22.58 | jethro | !paster |
| 14:22.58 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 14:22.59 | abrotman | asg: so .. i shouldn't feel dirty? |
| 14:23.05 | xoz | count: sharp mebius series (1 kg) |
| 14:23.07 | jethro | raf256: /msg dpkg paster would work better :) |
| 14:23.20 | raf256 | jethro: hmm yes ;) but help paster should gave the url |
| 14:23.27 | asg | abrotman: the bug only affects kpropd which required libkrb53 and others to be updated (according to the changelog.) |
| 14:23.28 | jethro | raf256: otoh, I'd recommend the use of pastebin.ca |
| 14:23.38 | abrotman | asg: yes .. but no dsa .. |
| 14:23.46 | paster | "raf256" at 193.25.2.66 pasted "iptables" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/340 |
| 14:23.47 | abrotman | maybe lists.d.o is throwing fits ? |
| 14:23.51 | Laibsch | Hi, looking for info on how to make a debian kpatch out of a standard, non-debianized kernel patch. I read the info available for dh_installkpatch but it is missing instructions on how to create all files except for $patchname.kpatch. maint-guide was not helpful either. |
| 14:23.51 | jethro | abrotman: still better then no dsa and no security updates :) |
| 14:23.58 | jethro | s/then/than/ |
| 14:24.00 | asg | abrotman: it wasn't listed on www.d.o either |
| 14:24.03 | abrotman | raf256: #iptables |
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| 14:24.11 | abrotman | asg: oh .. cute |
| 14:24.24 | eleusis | g'day |
| 14:24.33 | asg | abrotman: there are two new ones since I last checked also ;) |
| 14:24.39 | jethro | raf256: iptables-save would be more helpful to me |
| 14:24.43 | asg | abrotman: but not for libkrb53 |
| 14:24.43 | abrotman | asg: ok .. odd |
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| 14:25.05 | count | thanks guys |
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| 14:25.22 | MWAAAHAAA | How do I know whether my X has XShm extension enabled? |
| 14:25.31 | greycat | MWAAAHAAA: xdpyinfo |
| 14:25.33 | asg | MWAAAHAAA: xdpyinfo |
| 14:25.33 | raf256 | jethro: I use own startup scripts, I likem... but - why this dont work? any sugestions? (Im on #iptables also) |
| 14:25.36 | MWAAAHAAA | thx |
| 14:25.58 | jethro | raf256: type iptables-save in a shell, and show me the output. |
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| 14:26.57 | paster | "raf256" at 193.25.2.66 pasted "iptables save" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/341 |
| 14:27.54 | MWAAAHAAA | Is it installed by default or do I need a special package to make it work, cause it isn't in the list, and apt-cache search doesn't yield anything either |
| 14:28.12 | eleusis | what's the word on using Xorg on sid? |
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| 14:28.24 | asg | MWAAAHAAA: it's in xbase-clients |
| 14:28.36 | MWAAAHAAA | ok |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | eleusis: /msg dpkg xorg ? |
| 14:28.50 | jethro | raf256: I doubt you need three times the same MASQUERADE line AND the equivalent SNAT entry. |
| 14:28.57 | asg | eleusis: stew indicates it doesn't work with nvidia-glx |
| 14:29.02 | FieldySnuts | apt: nickometer MWAAAHAAA |
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| 14:29.12 | raf256 | jethro: exacly... doesnt iptables -F flush it entirely? |
| 14:29.16 | raf256 | !pal MWAAAHAAA |
| 14:29.26 | jethro | raf256: man iptables /-X /-F |
| 14:29.26 | MWAAAHAAA | !pal dpkg |
| 14:29.30 | MWAAAHAAA | Hehe |
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| 14:29.56 | Lee__ | what's a quick to convert hex to decimal? |
| 14:29.57 | MWAAAHAAA | apt: nickometer FieldySnuts |
| 14:30.01 | raf256 | jethro: indeed |
| 14:30.02 | stew | asg: i'm just re-indicating what gravity indicated last night |
| 14:30.02 | FieldySnuts | eat it. |
| 14:30.06 | greycat | Lee__: bc |
| 14:30.08 | raf256 | !eat FieldySnuts |
| 14:30.14 | asg | stew: ah, okay |
| 14:30.16 | jethro | raf256: also, you did iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING .... -j BAR, so you need to fluysh the nat table. |
| 14:30.25 | raf256 | jethro: how to flush it? |
| 14:30.33 | eleusis | stew? |
| 14:30.39 | stew | eleusis: yessir |
| 14:30.47 | eleusis | who or what is stew? :) |
| 14:30.54 | stew | he's some dude |
| 14:30.55 | jethro | raf256: man iptables /-F /-X |
| 14:31.00 | jethro | !handhold raf256 |
| 14:31.00 | eleusis | ok |
| 14:31.01 | eleusis | well |
| 14:31.07 | eleusis | i don't use nvidia-glx :-\ |
| 14:31.14 | greycat | Lee__: printf(1) can do it too. printf '%d\n' 0xFF30 |
| 14:31.22 | eleusis | i use the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 14:31.34 | raf256 | jethro: omg :> Im areading man on iptables -X now, I thought there is _another_ special option to do that :) |
| 14:31.39 | stew | eleusis: i do not think they will work with xorg |
| 14:31.41 | greycat | that's quicker than bc(1), most likely |
| 14:31.46 | Lee__ | cool. bc is a bit deep. |
| 14:31.48 | eleusis | apt: nickometer eleusis |
| 14:31.54 | eleusis | oh right, there's stew |
| 14:32.01 | eleusis | stew: righto |
| 14:32.06 | stew | yet... |
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| 14:32.12 | raf256 | apt: nickometer leetlamehaxor |
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| 14:32.34 | raf256 | apt: nickometer kevin.mitnick |
| 14:32.42 | stew | raf256: #debian-bots |
| 14:32.42 | MWAAAHAAA | apt: nickometer lame |
| 14:32.43 | jethro | raf256: read the fucking manpage, and stop abusing the bots please |
| 14:32.48 | MWAAAHAAA | Odd |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | raf256: GO ask #iptables |
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| 14:33.16 | raf256 | jethro: I did read it, I thought you was saying to issue some _anotehr_ commend besides -X and -F, and no need to get upset. |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | raf256: GO ask #iptables |
| 14:33.32 | raf256 | abrotman: I fucking DID 10 minutes ago. |
| 14:33.47 | eleusis | installing libglu1-xorg seems to want to uninstall all my X apps |
| 14:33.48 | EdibleText | raf256, does the iptable line work as you expect it too? |
| 14:33.50 | jethro | raf256: basically, iptables -t nat -F.. and yes, your abusing the bots is upsetting me |
| 14:33.51 | abrotman | raf256: so wait .. they're iptables people .. we're debian people .. notice .. they're not spelled the same :) |
| 14:34.02 | raf256 | ok ok, just gimme time to fix my scripts... brb |
| 14:34.15 | Hiruko | do i need to patch the kernel 2.4.30 with alsa or can i use the alsa.deb found at debian.org after installation? |
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| 14:34.19 | eleusis | well, not all of em.. |
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| 14:34.31 | Lee__ | Hiruko: or you can use a 2.6 kernel and not worry about it. |
| 14:34.42 | Hiruko | zomg |
| 14:34.45 | greycat | Hiruko: alsa should be built as a third party module if you *really* need to do it on 2.4. |
| 14:34.46 | asg | Hiruko: 2.4.31 is the most recent version anyway |
| 14:34.47 | abrotman | jethro: you don't like us anymore? |
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| 14:35.01 | Hiruko | I'm having problems with 2.6 and networking |
| 14:35.03 | Hiruko | I have NO clue why |
| 14:35.12 | Hiruko | and nobody could help me come up with a soltuion |
| 14:35.20 | asg | Hiruko: what nic? |
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| 14:35.21 | Lee__ | Hiruko: what's yr problem? |
| 14:35.25 | jethro | abrotman: I do, I don't know why I left -ot to be honest. probably during some everlasting netsplit, and never went back :) |
| 14:35.30 | Hiruko | it's an 8139 |
| 14:35.35 | abrotman | come back! |
| 14:35.36 | jethro | abrotman: I hope you don't mind :) |
| 14:35.40 | asg | !realtek |
| 14:35.40 | dpkg | methinks realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller Works fine for me. |
| 14:35.47 | Lee__ | Hiruko: that's the most common NIC in the universe! |
| 14:35.51 | Hiruko | yep been there done that |
| 14:36.03 | Hiruko | that didn't work |
| 14:36.04 | greycat | there's also more than one "8139". |
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| 14:36.08 | Lee__ | Hiruko: morpdobe -v 8139too |
| 14:36.15 | Hiruko | oh |
| 14:36.15 | Lee__ | or what's lspci say? |
| 14:36.20 | greycat | e.g. there's a separate driver 8139cp for something called an "8139C+" |
| 14:36.20 | Hiruko | lemme boot into 2.6 |
| 14:36.26 | Penfold | obscure apt- tricks #2: is there a definitive/preferred way of getting the download URI for a given package (by looking at the apt-cache info + sources.list)? |
| 14:36.42 | Hiruko | yeah i did rmmod 8139cp |
| 14:36.51 | _auro | re * |
| 14:36.56 | greycat | arc1:~$ /sbin/modinfo 8139cp |
| 14:36.56 | greycat | filename: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o |
| 14:36.56 | greycat | description: "RealTek RTL-8139C+ series 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver" |
| 14:37.01 | _auro | ÏÂÎÏ×ÉÌ Ô |
| 14:37.05 | asg | Penfold: the Filename: field + your mirror |
| 14:37.06 | stew | Penfold: apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 14:37.07 | Lee__ | Hiruko: so no matter what ifconfig wouldn't give you an eth0? |
| 14:37.17 | Penfold | stew: aha :) |
| 14:37.18 | _auro | ÏÂÎÏ×ÉÌ ÓÔÜÊÂÌ É ÐÅÒÅÓÔÁÌ ÚÁÐÕÓËÁÔØÓÑ xmms |
| 14:37.18 | _auro | Gdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 14:37.19 | _auro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.23 | Hiruko | um actually the driver is fine |
| 14:37.27 | djw | is it possible to make passwd update password changes to a NIS server? |
| 14:37.29 | _auro | ÍÏÖÎÏ ÌÉ ËÁË ÎÉÂÕÄØ ÐÏÐÒÁ×ÉÔØ , |
| 14:37.31 | Hiruko | it give me my hardware id and everything |
| 14:37.31 | _auro | ? |
| 14:37.35 | Lee__ | _auro: please stop. |
| 14:37.40 | greycat | Penfold: apt-get --print-uris install ... |
| 14:37.42 | Lee__ | Hiruko: so what's the problem? |
| 14:37.46 | Hiruko | but i still can't get an ip |
| 14:37.52 | Hiruko | it connects sometimes though |
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| 14:37.57 | greycat | _auro: we can't read that. use english. |
| 14:37.58 | Hiruko | and when it does i get a ping of anywhere from 1k-20k |
| 14:38.06 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 14:38.11 | Lee__ | sounds like a problem above the kernel. If it loads the driver, it's not linux's problem if it doesn't work. |
| 14:38.13 | solemnwarning | im writing a chat program] |
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| 14:38.24 | solemnwarning | but i cant think of a name >.< |
| 14:38.24 | Hiruko | oh and there's another error |
| 14:38.26 | solemnwarning | any ideas? |
| 14:38.27 | Lee__ | Hiruko: sounds like your media. |
| 14:38.27 | greycat | Hiruko: but it works fine in 2.4? |
| 14:38.33 | asg | solemnwarning: lick my love pump in d-minor? |
| 14:38.35 | _auro | sorry :) |
| 14:38.35 | Hiruko | yes |
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| 14:38.46 | stew | asg: its the saddest of all keys |
| 14:38.47 | Hiruko | but |
| 14:38.52 | macnamara | how do you use alien to install packages? |
| 14:38.53 | Hiruko | if i compile my own 2.4 kernel it doesn't |
| 14:38.58 | greycat | macnamara: you DON'T. |
| 14:39.02 | stew | macnamara: in general you don't |
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| 14:39.03 | greycat | or if you do, you read the fucking manual. |
| 14:39.11 | asg | stew: ...and in here, there's a little guy. |
| 14:39.16 | Hiruko | i used the kernel-image for 2.4.27 and it works fine |
| 14:39.16 | EdibleText | if you want to get down , you got to get down in d |
| 14:39.34 | greycat | Hiruko: uh, that points to larger issues then. |
| 14:39.37 | Hiruko | i'm using the kernel-image-2.6.8-2 and it doesn't work either |
| 14:39.38 | Hiruko | yeah |
| 14:39.42 | Lee__ | Hiruko: is there a bug reported for the issue? |
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| 14:39.55 | Hiruko | There's something in the 2.4.27-2-386 that is fixing this |
| 14:40.04 | macnamara | but how can I install the prm package than? kpackage isn't working...says I need to run alien... |
| 14:40.13 | Hiruko | i was booting into my 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:40.15 | Lee__ | Hiruko: what's lspci say? |
| 14:40.28 | djw | I don't suppose anyone can help with NIS then |
| 14:40.31 | Hiruko | wait a sec :) |
| 14:40.34 | Hiruko | almost in |
| 14:40.37 | Lee__ | macnamara: you don't install a prm package. |
| 14:40.45 | greycat | macnamara: just use k3b like everyone else. |
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| 14:41.22 | count | e |
| 14:41.27 | cbr | any ETA on glibc 2.3.5 hitting unstable? |
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| 14:41.53 | macnamara | k3b isn't working, that is the point |
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| 14:42.00 | paster | "raf256" at 193.25.2.66 pasted "iptables3" (62 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/343 |
| 14:42.11 | Hiruko | okay |
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| 14:42.37 | Hiruko | realtek semiconductor co rtl-8139/8139c/8139c+ (rev 10) |
| 14:42.44 | greycat | macnamara: then use cdrecord. |
| 14:43.00 | greycat | macnamara: if k3b isn't working, you probably have BIGGER ISSUES that are preventing ALL OPERATIONS OF THE BURNER. |
| 14:43.14 | greycat | so simplify! don't make things *harder* by introducing an alienated RPM! |
| 14:43.17 | jethro | raf256: ffs, just flush the nat table already! and remove the 4 calls to MASQUERADE you have in your custom (and kind of shitty) script |
| 14:43.31 | jethro | raf256: just leave one, and also remove the SNAT part. |
| 14:43.58 | Hiruko | Lee__: realket rtl-8139/8139c/8139c+ |
| 14:44.06 | jethro | raf256: and my last advice would be to read more about iptables before wasting #debian's time. |
| 14:44.09 | macnamara | but hey...I installed skype as rpm package too and it works so why not this one? |
| 14:44.36 | raf256 | jethro: iptables -F doesnt flush all the NAT tables? |
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| 14:45.41 | jethro | !moron raf256 |
| 14:45.42 | dpkg | raf256: You are moron #39 |
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| 14:46.02 | jethro | raf256: I tried my best, but I can't help you if you don't read. cheers. |
| 14:46.18 | Hiruko | greycat: so what do i do now? |
| 14:46.18 | jethro | raf256: and there is only ONE nat table. |
| 14:46.24 | raf256 | jethro: I read the man, it states -F with no args flushes all tables. |
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| 14:46.33 | greycat | how are we EVER going to be free of proprietary protocols and commercial software if the DEBIAN USERS are installing SKYPE? |
| 14:46.34 | Blue9 | Yay, Jethro the angry man is back |
| 14:46.37 | greycat | and NERO? |
| 14:46.37 | Gnea | raf256: no it doesn't |
| 14:46.37 | Hiruko | i got the lspci entry |
| 14:46.46 | Lee__ | Hiruko: load the module again, see what dmesg reports. |
| 14:46.51 | Lee__ | apt-get install asterisk |
| 14:47.00 | Hiruko | um |
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| 14:47.02 | tarzeau | anyone can recommend a good sip client for on debian? |
| 14:47.04 | cbr | greycat, what's wrong with commercial software? |
| 14:47.04 | Hiruko | i don't have internet access |
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| 14:47.07 | jethro | Blue9: I'm not angry, I'm bored of morons never reading docs, and endlessly asking the same question. |
| 14:47.09 | Hiruko | that's the problem here |
| 14:47.14 | greycat | cbr: if it's a game? nothing. |
| 14:47.15 | Lee__ | Hiruko: than how are you talking to us? |
| 14:47.16 | asg | tarzeau: dan2 can iirc, he's working in that field |
| 14:47.21 | Hiruko | other pc |
| 14:47.23 | Blue9 | jethro, I agree :) I'm just kidding anyway. |
| 14:47.34 | Hiruko | not running linux |
| 14:47.40 | tarzeau | greycat: hopefully debian will drop support for non-free soon |
| 14:47.41 | cbr | greycat: as long as it's free, i dont give a damn |
| 14:47.43 | lehel | hello |
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| 14:47.49 | pi_ | Hey |
| 14:47.50 | tarzeau | helpers welcome in #debian-nonfree |
| 14:47.53 | Gnea | raf256: it says that it flushes all of the *RULES* to the selected *CHAIN* |
| 14:47.57 | lehel | how do i remove a module at all? |
| 14:47.58 | tarzeau | asg: i'll /msg him about it |
| 14:48.06 | Gnea | raf256: if no *CHAIN* is provided it defaults to the filter chain |
| 14:48.08 | pi_ | how do I get around this: |
| 14:48.09 | pi_ | ns:/bin# mv ls ls2 |
| 14:48.09 | pi_ | mv: cannot move `ls' to `ls2': Operation not permitted |
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| 14:48.14 | greycat | lehel: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 14:48.22 | Lee__ | load the driver, see what the kernel says, if it's still sucking, search google then report a bug if you don't find anything. |
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| 14:48.25 | Hiruko | Lee__: I've tried using only 8139cp, only 8139too, and even both. |
| 14:48.26 | azeem | anybody know whether it is possible to save one's ion3 session such that not only the frame layout is recovered, but also the programs restarted in each? |
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| 14:48.34 | greycat | pi_: man lsattr |
| 14:48.39 | asg | pi_: what does 'lsattr ls' print |
| 14:48.50 | pi_ | ns:/bin# lsattr ls |
| 14:48.50 | pi_ | suSiadAc------ ls |
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| 14:49.09 | greycat | pi_: holy fuck. |
| 14:49.10 | Hiruko | and that's all the realtek drivers that came with the kernel-image since everyone in there doesn't want me to compile a kernel |
| 14:49.12 | greycat | what the hell did you do? |
| 14:49.14 | asg | pi_: you'd better man lsattr (christ) |
| 14:49.26 | jethro | hah |
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| 14:49.28 | pi_ | heh, yea.. this was a compromised box. |
| 14:49.36 | greycat | pi_: wipe it and reinstall. |
| 14:49.51 | cbr | debian i386 works on athlon 64 too, right |
| 14:49.56 | SDFH_Linux | hi |
| 14:49.56 | jethro | pi_: dump the filesystem to some other media, for forensic purpose, then reinstall. don't waste your time trying to fix a system you can't trust |
| 14:50.05 | greycat | amd64 != "athlon" |
| 14:50.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi SDFH_Linux |
| 14:50.13 | Hiruko | lee__ the drivers should be fine |
| 14:50.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | cbr yeh |
| 14:50.17 | MrKeuner | hi, why does x.org is replacing xfree86? because it is newer?(if it is) or because xfree86 is not that free(if it is) anymore? |
| 14:50.19 | Hiruko | i'm using 8139too in 2.4 |
| 14:50.20 | mne | hi there ! some time ago I configured my gnome/X11 so that one can type the accent characters (like á and à). Since this seems to be the reason for gnome/X11 to just swallow some typed chars I would like to turn that off again. Unfortunately I forgot where to set that up. any hint ? |
| 14:50.23 | greycat | !xorg |
| 14:50.24 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
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| 14:50.33 | mina_linux_Tux | how to set my domain name in apache i used apache doc i changed ServerName in httpd.conf to my domain name and now way .. always localhost only that works... |
| 14:50.48 | cbr | greycat: that's why i said athlon64 not amd64 |
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| 14:50.52 | Lee__ | Hiruko: the drivers are obviously not fine if you get 10k ms ping latency. |
| 14:50.58 | greycat | cbr: what beast is this? |
| 14:51.08 | cbr | it's a processor |
| 14:51.08 | Hiruko | but the same happened in my recompiled 2.4 kernel |
| 14:51.11 | cbr | ... |
| 14:51.11 | greycat | cbr: if you mean "sempron", it's i386 |
| 14:51.14 | Hiruko | in teh kernel image it does work fine |
| 14:51.37 | Hiruko | for 2.4 that is |
| 14:51.38 | cbr | greycat: i just meant to ask if i386 debian works ON a platform with an athlon64 processor |
| 14:51.44 | Lee__ | Hiruko: so don't use your custom kernel and report the bug for 2.6. |
| 14:52.01 | greycat | cbr: and I still don't know what you mean by "athlon64 processor" |
| 14:52.02 | Lee__ | greycat: it's a rtl8139c |
| 14:52.04 | FieldySnuts | greycat: he'll just sit there and rant for a while |
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| 14:52.14 | Hiruko | um |
| 14:52.15 | Hiruko | greycat |
| 14:52.19 | Hiruko | yeah |
| 14:52.19 | cbr | greycat: haven't you heard of athlon64? it's been out for some years now |
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| 14:52.22 | Hiruko | i put it like 3 times |
| 14:52.23 | Hiruko | :p |
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| 14:52.28 | FieldySnuts | !tell Hiruko -about enter |
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| 14:52.44 | jethro | ravenbird: aussiesmite FieldySnuts |
| 14:52.45 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 14:52.51 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
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| 14:52.56 | jethro | hi FieldySnuts :) |
| 14:52.56 | Hiruko | -_- |
| 14:52.59 | Hiruko | i'm tired |
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| 14:53.03 | Hiruko | give me a break |
| 14:53.03 | simonrvn | @ff jethro |
| 14:53.04 | ravenbird | jethro: fartfish |
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| 14:53.09 | FieldySnuts | STOP HITTING ENTER SO MUCH |
| 14:53.18 | jethro | ha, I didn't know that one :) |
| 14:53.20 | Hiruko | >_< |
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| 14:53.26 | Hiruko | TURN OFF YOUR CAPS |
| 14:53.28 | FieldySnuts | screw it, ignore |
| 14:53.34 | Hiruko | lmao |
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| 14:53.57 | Gnea | Hiruko: you're only adding to the problem. |
| 14:54.03 | Hiruko | huh? |
| 14:54.11 | Hiruko | What did I do this time? |
| 14:54.23 | greycat | is this "athlon64" thing the same as an amd64? I can't decipher the marketspeak. |
| 14:54.28 | simonrvn | maybe you should leave it for now and get some sleep |
| 14:54.32 | Lee__ | restarting X, brb. |
| 14:54.34 | Dk0rr | how do i backup my xfree86Config-4 file? 1st) How do i find the directory it is located? whats search command? and 2.) How do i copy it?? |
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| 14:54.37 | Gnea | sleep is a good thing |
| 14:54.43 | Hiruko | hm |
| 14:54.44 | greycat | Dk0rr: /etc/X11 |
| 14:54.44 | Dk0rr | greycat: yes |
| 14:54.48 | asg | Dk0rr: man cp |
| 14:54.49 | Hiruko | I can't sleep until i have it figured out |
| 14:54.53 | Hiruko | all this for just acpi support |
| 14:55.03 | Gnea | did you get it compiled? |
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| 14:55.07 | cmihai | I have 2 monitors: one connected on the VGA out of my GF6600, one on the DVI port (DVI2VGA adaptor). I only get image on the VGA one....How do you send the video signal to the DVI2VGA one? Or to both ? |
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| 14:55.20 | Dk0rr | greycat: how do i search tho?? if i didnt know directory |
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| 14:55.26 | greycat | Dk0rr: cd /etc/X11; ls -l |
| 14:55.31 | Gnea | cmihai: did you reboot? |
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| 14:55.34 | asg | Dk0rr: man find |
| 14:55.36 | greycat | Dk0rr: man locate |
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| 14:55.50 | cmihai | Gnea: nope, not really wanting to reboot... |
| 14:55.57 | cmihai | Gnea: ....well, I'll do it anyway. BRB. |
| 14:56.03 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 14:56.05 | Gnea | cmihai: you should. |
| 14:56.14 | Hiruko | dang |
| 14:56.18 | jons | hmm how do i return to a window other than /window previous in irssi |
| 14:56.18 | Hiruko | i've tried so many things |
| 14:56.25 | asg | Dk0rr: also, if you are hand hacking your XF86Config-4, keep in mind that this will prevent dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 from working in the future (/msg dpkg x md5sum if you ever need to re-enable it again.) |
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| 14:56.28 | greycat | did you try replacing the NIC? |
| 14:56.30 | Hiruko | according to some people i have talked to it should all work |
| 14:56.35 | Gnea | Hiruko: well maybe your motherboard sucks |
| 14:56.37 | greycat | did you try pasting the output of lspci into a paste site? |
| 14:56.43 | Hiruko | greycat: i'd rather not get a pcmcia netowrk card. |
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| 14:56.49 | FieldySnuts | greycat: ask 10 more times |
| 14:56.50 | Dk0rr | greycat: man find/locate xfree86Config-4 only brings up a manual. it doesnt tell me what directory xfree86Config-4 is in |
| 14:56.51 | greycat | even better: the output of (lspci; lspci -n) | sort |
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| 14:57.07 | Hiruko | I would have to type all of that |
| 14:57.13 | greycat | it's a *laptop* with a *builtin* 8139?? |
| 14:57.15 | greycat | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:57.19 | Hiruko | -_- |
| 14:57.21 | FieldySnuts | shitty laptop |
| 14:57.23 | greycat | that's some serious crap. |
| 14:57.27 | Hiruko | dude |
| 14:57.35 | Hiruko | There is NO way to get it working? |
| 14:57.43 | EdibleText | Hiruko, my NIC worked well too. Until lightning struck outside my window. |
| 14:57.48 | greycat | I mean really. there's penny pinching and then there's just plain old *consumer gouging*. |
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| 14:57.49 | Hiruko | lol |
| 14:57.54 | Gnea | Hiruko: look, if you want help, then work with us, not against us. when someone asks you for the output of something, you just do it, otherwise you get shit on and you get nowhere. that's how it is. |
| 14:57.56 | Hiruko | it's a new laptop |
| 14:58.03 | ledet | dk0r: it's called XF86Config-4 - not whatever you've called it |
| 14:58.13 | greycat | Hiruko: what model? |
| 14:58.15 | Hiruko | gnea i gave greycat the relevant output |
| 14:58.17 | FieldySnuts | actually, greycat has been far more patient with Hiruko than most,he's getting a break |
| 14:58.19 | greycat | Hiruko: YOU DID NOT! |
| 14:58.21 | Hiruko | it's a compaq r4000 |
| 14:58.22 | Spec | (06:30:20am) <SignificantOther>: so uhh, switching to linux will be easy for me, right? |
| 14:58.31 | greycat | THERE IS NO FUCKING LSPCI OUTPUT ANYWHERE IN /lastlog Hiruko! |
| 14:58.31 | Gnea | Hiruko: i beg to differ. you are a liar. |
| 14:58.34 | Hiruko | huh? |
| 14:58.35 | FieldySnuts | Spec: heh. |
| 14:58.40 | Dk0rr | asg: Im new to linux, just trying to back the file up, as a friend configed my display via ssh which was really a pain to get going |
| 14:58.42 | Hiruko | i gav eyou the one for the network adapter |
| 14:58.43 | Gnea | stop saying 'huh?' |
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| 14:58.50 | Spec | I sense fun in the future :p |
| 14:58.54 | simonrvn | Spec: sure |
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| 14:58.58 | EdibleText | Hiruko, this is when things start breaking down |
| 14:58.59 | Hiruko | I would have to type everything in lspci |
| 14:59.02 | FieldySnuts | why haven't you just ignored him already... you aren't gonna get the answer |
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| 14:59.14 | Spec | I'm not sure what I want to install for her, ubuntu or debian |
| 14:59.17 | Gnea | just highlight it with the mouse cursor and paste it somewhere |
| 14:59.17 | asg | Dk0rr: cool. You might want to invest in a good Unix/Linux introductory book also. |
| 14:59.19 | Hiruko | since i do not have net access in debian |
| 14:59.23 | Dk0rr | ledet: ty for correction. but doing "man find XF86Config-4" brings up a manual. It does not tell me what directory xfree86Config-4 is in |
| 14:59.24 | useruser | how can I find out the length of an mp3/ogg file from the command line? |
| 14:59.26 | Gnea | oh well |
| 14:59.28 | Gnea | then type it all out |
| 14:59.30 | FieldySnuts | ls -l |
| 14:59.32 | Gnea | do that or suffer. |
| 14:59.35 | Spec | I tend to use debian for servers, is it just as good as ubuntu as far as desktopiness goes? |
| 14:59.35 | ledet | dk0r: dont type "man" |
| 14:59.37 | simonrvn | ohnoz, i have to type more than 3 letters at once. all the while he's typed probably 2000 trying to get out of it |
| 14:59.40 | useruser | FieldySnuts: I mean the duration |
| 14:59.47 | FieldySnuts | no clue |
| 14:59.49 | ledet | dk0r: and someone already told you that the file is in /etc/X11 |
| 14:59.51 | simonrvn | FFS, GROW THE FUCK UP Hiruko |
| 14:59.58 | Blue9 | Dk0rr /etc/x11 |
| 15:00.04 | Hiruko | What am I doing wrong here, I really don't get it. |
| 15:00.06 | asg | useruser: ogginfo |
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| 15:00.12 | Gnea | Hiruko: you're instantly reacting. |
| 15:00.13 | ledet | Dk0rr: consider reaing what people write... theyre trying to help |
| 15:00.16 | Spec | Hiruko: floppy disk -> other computer |
| 15:00.16 | FieldySnuts | use this already, okay? it's distrupting the channel at this point: /ignore Hiruko*!*@* all or similar |
| 15:00.17 | simonrvn | Hiruko: follow instructions |
| 15:00.24 | Gnea | Hiruko: and not sticking to the method of being productive. |
| 15:00.26 | asg | Dk0rr: man and find are two separate commands |
| 15:00.28 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 15:00.29 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 15:00.33 | Spec | asg: lies |
| 15:00.33 | useruser | asg: thanks. anything like that for mp3? |
| 15:00.37 | asg | Dk0rr: man foo ; find / -name 'foo' |
| 15:00.45 | greycat | useruser: mp3info, id3v2 -l |
| 15:00.49 | Hiruko | FieldySnuts: why haven't you ignored me ^_^ |
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| 15:01.15 | Dk0rr | "find XF86Config-4" outputs find: xfree86Config-4: No such file or directory |
| 15:01.18 | simonrvn | i think she did already |
| 15:01.22 | Hiruko | lol |
| 15:01.23 | Hiruko | good |
| 15:01.27 | asg | Spec: ? |
| 15:01.29 | FieldySnuts | i unignored him temporarily, but that's about to change. troll. |
| 15:01.36 | simonrvn | oh |
| 15:01.39 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 15:01.50 | useruser | greycat: thanks, i'll try them |
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| 15:01.58 | Dk0rr | asg: "find XF86Config-4" outputs "find: xfree86Config-4: No such file or directory" |
| 15:01.58 | pi_ | yo |
| 15:02.06 | pi_ | anyway I can reinstall a box remotely? |
| 15:02.14 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 15:02.15 | pi_ | without having anyone physically onsite? |
| 15:02.17 | pi_ | damnit. |
| 15:02.18 | pi_ | heh |
| 15:02.21 | Dk0rr | asg: "find XF86Config-4" outputs "find: XF86Config-4: No such file or directory" |
| 15:02.37 | EdibleText | pi_, who puts the cd in the tray ;) |
| 15:02.39 | Blue9 | Dk0rr: type this cd /etc/X11/ |
| 15:02.45 | asg | Dk0rr: find is a nicely complex command with all sorts of pointy edges. "find /path -name 'File'" will get you started |
| 15:02.46 | PuGz | I am getting a new IBM Thinkpad T42p in a few weeks... thinking about debian for it... what you reckon? |
| 15:02.51 | Dk0rr | blue9: i know where it is. I need to know how to find it |
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| 15:02.53 | Blue9 | Dk0rr: followed by "ls XF*" |
| 15:03.17 | asg | Dk0rr: man find ; info find (will give you instructions and help) |
| 15:03.26 | Spec | asg: man and find being seperate commands :p |
| 15:03.54 | Dk0rr | asg: If i dont know the path, how can i enter it? |
| 15:04.03 | Dk0rr | asg: and whats the difference between -name and 'file' ? |
| 15:04.04 | cmihai | Gnea: it works after I reboot, thanks. Well, apart from the fact I see the same image in both monitors. I haven't playied with dual view before, but I'm guessing there's something Xorg can do about this... |
| 15:04.12 | Blue9 | Dk0rr: The path is /etc/X11 !!! |
| 15:04.12 | asg | Dk0rr: the '/path' bit just allows you to narrow the search (it will recurse down from there.) |
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| 15:04.15 | ShaiW | 'lo |
| 15:04.25 | Dk0rr | blue9: thanks i know. i need to know how to search |
| 15:04.36 | Blue9 | Dk0rr, ah I see :P |
| 15:04.37 | Gnea | cmihai: :) yeah, I haven't played with xorg yet, but you're on the right track at least |
| 15:04.38 | Blue9 | ;) |
| 15:04.38 | Spec | Dk0rr: updatedb;locate XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 15:04.44 | asg | Dk0rr: if you knew the file was in /etc somewhere, "find /etc -name 'foo'" would be quicker than "find / -name 'foo'" |
| 15:04.53 | useruser | greycat: thanks, mp3info -x does the job |
| 15:04.58 | Spec | Dk0rr: locate is much easier than find's craziness O:) |
| 15:05.07 | cmihai | Or maybe the NVIDIA drivers since it's dual view and all that. Any ideas / tips on how to set it either as a continuoas image or 2 diff desktops (one in each monitor)? |
| 15:05.13 | Dk0rr | Spec: please enlighten me.. |
| 15:05.20 | Spec | Dk0rr: updatedb; locate <file> |
| 15:05.32 | trc | how do i make emacs start with a given dictionary from the command line? |
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| 15:05.37 | Spec | if there's lots of matches, pipe it to most or less or more |
| 15:05.40 | cmihai | I belive you could start X on another screen, but not sure about how to do that. Especially with dual view and not 2 video cards... |
| 15:05.42 | asg | trc: cd /dir ; emacs |
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| 15:05.58 | justin | cmihai: the nvidia drivers come with plenty of documentation on how to setup dualhead |
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| 15:06.30 | cmihai | justin: oh, so it's the drivers. All right, I'll see about that. Thanks. |
| 15:06.31 | nvz | not that you need plenty of documentation for two lines of configuration |
| 15:06.32 | asg | trc: #emacs probaby has many more ways to accomplish the same task. |
| 15:06.47 | trc | asg: i mean the command line equivalent to 'M-x flyspell-mode' |
| 15:07.07 | asg | trc: I'd ask #emacs then |
| 15:07.18 | trc | asg: i am not strong in lisp, thanks |
| 15:07.20 | cmihai | nvz: ? |
| 15:07.25 | Dk0rr | Spec: "updatedb; locate XF86Config-4" does not show /etc/X11 in any of its results |
| 15:07.28 | nvz | damn manager called to tell me to come in two hours later.. which is cool cause I didnt feel like getting out of bed now anyhow |
| 15:07.38 | nvz | cmihai: ? |
| 15:07.41 | Laibsch | Hi, looking for info on how to make a debian kpatch out of a standard, non-debianized kernel patch. I read the info available for dh_installkpatch but it is missing instructions on how to create all files except for $patchname.kpatch. maint-guide or google were not helpful either. How come this is so poorly documented or am I looking in the wrong places? |
| 15:08.03 | nvz | cmihai: dualhead is like two lines in the XF config.. Option "TwinView |
| 15:08.05 | Spec | Dk0rr: do you not have a XF86Config-4 file? :p |
| 15:08.08 | nvz | cmihai: and the orientation |
| 15:08.20 | simonrvn | locate XF86Config-4 |wc -l |
| 15:08.21 | simonrvn | 20 |
| 15:08.26 | simonrvn | amazing... |
| 15:08.26 | nvz | cmihai: possibly even the screen type LCD/TV/CRT |
| 15:08.32 | Spec | simonrvn: it's a miracle! |
| 15:08.46 | simonrvn | call the press! |
| 15:08.49 | nvz | cmihai: its all well documented.. see nvidia.com for online documentation of the linux driver |
| 15:08.49 | Spec | Mine says 0 |
| 15:08.55 | Dk0rr | Spec: yes i have one :)i can see it in the gui |
| 15:08.57 | Spec | But...I have a feeling it *might* be because X isn't installed |
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| 15:09.08 | Spec | Dk0rr: you ran updatedb? |
| 15:09.10 | cmihai | Ah, ok, I'll look it up. Just one thing, you can set different refresh rates for the monitors, no ? |
| 15:09.13 | asg | Laibsch: you might download a debian kernel source package and see how their patch format differs from a non-debianized patch. |
| 15:09.26 | nvz | cmihai: if need be. |
| 15:09.39 | asg | Laibsch: disregard, I misread what you said. |
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| 15:09.50 | simonrvn | another box, which never saw xfree, but xorg, says 0 also |
| 15:10.01 | Laibsch | asg: Thanks for trying anyway ;-) |
| 15:10.05 | nvz | cmihai: on windows this is all done from a nvidia control panel.. I bet debian has some sort of program like that too.. never looked though |
| 15:10.11 | Dk0rr | Spec: TY :) i was running updatedb and locate as one command :) |
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| 15:10.18 | Laibsch | asg: You do not happen to know the answer, though? |
| 15:10.26 | azeem | anybody know whether it is possible to save one's ion3 session such that not only the frame layout is recovered, but also the programs restarted in each? |
| 15:10.30 | nvz | cmihai: nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics drive |
| 15:10.31 | asg | Laibsch: sadly, I do not. |
| 15:10.35 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 15:10.37 | Laibsch | :-( |
| 15:10.39 | Spec | Dk0rr: updatedb has to update the database, locate searches the database :p |
| 15:10.49 | Dk0rr | Spec: yep |
| 15:10.50 | Spec | Dk0rr: if you delete a file and don't run updatedb, locate will still 'see' that file |
| 15:10.55 | simonrvn | dk0r: you should pay more attention to what's said. |
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| 15:11.01 | ShaiW | K, I give up |
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| 15:11.04 | cmihai | nvz: ok, thanks, I'll apt-get that :) |
| 15:11.04 | nvz | cmihai: see also package nvtv if applies *shrug* |
| 15:11.06 | ShaiW | how do I install a .deb file? |
| 15:11.12 | Dk0rr | simonrvn: i think i pay to much attention, and take things literally |
| 15:11.12 | asg | ShaiW: man dpkg |
| 15:11.16 | ShaiW | thanks |
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| 15:12.04 | trc | i upgraded this morning my sid machine, X has been changed. When I saw aptitude trying to remove it it sacred me, used apt-get dis-upgrade, installed the new stuff w/o removing, hmmm, is it safe to give green light to removal? |
| 15:12.33 | Lee__ | stew: thanks for the tip on the touchpad. it's working for real now. |
| 15:12.41 | nvz | trc: nope, but you should know this would happen, you are using sid |
| 15:12.47 | trc | he he: sacred for scared |
| 15:13.00 | nvz | trc: they are migrating to Xorg.. and its likely to be broken for some time |
| 15:13.20 | Spec | I was so sacred.... so very sacred. |
| 15:13.21 | nvz | !maint xorg |
| 15:13.25 | Dk0rr | Can anyone explain to me why in the keyboard shortcuts utility, when i try to assign command+w to "close window" it only accepts the command button and disregards the W ? ( im on ppc ) |
| 15:13.25 | trc | nvz: I know, thats why i didn'y allow, my machine seems to be working with xfree now |
| 15:13.57 | Lee__ | here's a theoretical question. I want to use computer A's package cache and apply it to computer B, upgrading, removing and installing any packages that differ. Could someone recommend a tool to do this? |
| 15:14.00 | nvz | no idea what xorg is called..heh.. I am pretty sure the maintainer is here reguarly though |
| 15:14.03 | cmihai | nvz: probably. Still, it works great here (XOrg). Well, about the nvidia settings... heh, no dual view support in the software yet. I'll see about the config :). |
| 15:14.24 | Lee__ | the distro is the same on both A and B. |
| 15:14.39 | mathieu | cmihai, no dual view? |
| 15:14.41 | nvz | cmihai: its really no trick to setup. should be very easy to do. |
| 15:14.42 | trc | !maint org |
| 15:14.59 | trc | !maint xorg |
| 15:15.05 | SDFH_Linux | installed xorg last night worked great here |
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| 15:15.10 | SDFH_Linux | for now... |
| 15:15.13 | mathieu | i clicked a few times ok and still have dual view with nvidia |
| 15:15.18 | kbrooks | Hey..... |
| 15:15.24 | nvz | trc: has to be a valid package name.. I dont know what the package is called |
| 15:15.25 | cmihai | mathieu: I meant in the nvidia-settings software. I'll see about the drivers now. |
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| 15:15.35 | Lee__ | SDFH_Linux: did you use the backports for sarge? |
| 15:15.38 | azeem | !maint xorg-x11 |
| 15:15.45 | Tarabas | salut |
| 15:15.50 | SDFH_Linux | i run mixed sarge and unstable |
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| 15:15.54 | SDFH_Linux | so one of them had it |
| 15:15.59 | cmihai | Yep, looks pretty basic. Just a few lines in xorg.conf :) |
| 15:16.10 | Dk0rr | Can anyone explain to me why in the keyboard shortcuts utility, when i try to assign command+w to "close window" it only accepts the command button and disregards the W ? ( im on ppc ) |
| 15:16.10 | stew | azeem: dnusinow@debian.org aka gravity |
| 15:16.14 | azeem | stew: sure |
| 15:16.27 | kbrooks | uh |
| 15:16.36 | torc | hello. why does doing "apt-get build-dep mtr-tiny" require 100 MBs of fancy packages? |
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| 15:16.38 | azeem | I was just pointing out the source package name, but !maint seems to go for binaries only, *shrug* |
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| 15:16.45 | torc | this is on sarge. |
| 15:16.50 | SDFH_Linux | i know nvtv does tv out |
| 15:16.56 | SDFH_Linux | the package i mean |
| 15:16.58 | Lee__ | SDFH_Linux: sarge backports for xorg: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/27/ |
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| 15:17.04 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 15:17.47 | caphuso | torc: because it Build-Depends: on them |
| 15:17.48 | basix | hello room :) |
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| 15:17.58 | shingouz | !room |
| 15:17.58 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 15:17.59 | simonrvn | here? |
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| 15:18.08 | Spec | !channel |
| 15:18.09 | dpkg | well, channel is This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday. |
| 15:18.15 | ShaiW | hmphh... I've installed using the standart installation mode, and now I need to do all sorta tweaking and I can't find out how |
| 15:18.30 | ShaiW | and also, I have no idea how to install packages from sourcecode tarballs :/ |
| 15:18.38 | torc | caphuso: but why does it depend on X and so on? how do i know a package, that is causing this behaviour? |
| 15:18.40 | ShaiW | I looked for a howto, but... I could'nt find any |
| 15:18.41 | nvz | Dk0rr: be less vague.. there are some 60 keyboard shortcut utils in debian lineak, hotkeys, sawfish-ui..etc |
| 15:18.42 | azeem | ShaiW: why do you want to do that |
| 15:18.43 | azeem | ? |
| 15:18.46 | caphuso | torc: it's the mtr source package |
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| 15:18.52 | kbrooks | ShaiW, uh. why |
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| 15:19.04 | ShaiW | well, I want to install xchat, which does'nt come in a deb packaeg |
| 15:19.16 | shingouz | ShaiW: bs. it is there |
| 15:19.16 | ShaiW | and, I need to reconfigure... just about everything |
| 15:19.17 | azeem | ShaiW: sure it does |
| 15:19.19 | simonrvn | yes it does |
| 15:19.21 | ShaiW | where? |
| 15:19.24 | SDFH_Linux | Lee__ so there is a new backports repos? |
| 15:19.28 | shingouz | ShaiW: apt-cache search xchat |
| 15:19.29 | azeem | ShaiW: pacakges.debian.org |
| 15:19.34 | simonrvn | @tell ShaiW -about search |
| 15:19.38 | azeem | eh, packages.debian.org has a search facility |
| 15:19.46 | Spec | ShaiW: in the future, if you see a package as an RPM and not as a deb, you can use the program 'alien' to convert it |
| 15:19.47 | torc | caphuso: oic, but what if I do not need the X version, but plain-text one only. Could I somehow skip those X libs? |
| 15:19.48 | Lee__ | SDFH_Linux: that's what the article says. I haven't installed them yet, which is why I asked you. |
| 15:19.52 | raf256 | debian-installer source "filesystem - enter directory in with debian mirror is located - I can just direct it to /var/cache/aptget of another linux box? |
| 15:20.12 | asg | ShaiW: apt-get install debian-reference-en (or read it online at www.debian.org (most questions you have will be answered in it.)) |
| 15:20.13 | caphuso | torc: do you know a lot about Makefiles? |
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| 15:20.22 | tzafrir | ShaiW, I use xchat from standard debs |
| 15:20.24 | Lee__ | raf256: if it's NFS mounted, yeah. |
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| 15:20.29 | SDFH_Linux | i didnt add that Lee___ anyone know what repos that is |
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| 15:20.32 | tzafrir | apt-get install xchat |
| 15:20.33 | rbochan | hurray! got me a shiny new xserver :) |
| 15:20.36 | raf256 | Lee__: actually it is seccond hdd \o/ |
| 15:20.45 | ShaiW | azeem: is pacakges.debian.org a repository? |
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| 15:20.51 | caphuso | torc: and about the innards of building a debian package? |
| 15:20.55 | azeem | ShaiW: packages.debian.org |
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| 15:20.59 | azeem | it's a wer service |
| 15:21.00 | torc | caphuso: sure, then its fine. |
| 15:21.01 | azeem | man, web |
| 15:21.06 | torc | caphuso: i'll read the doc. thanks. |
| 15:21.08 | katabroc | does anyone know where DHCP is called in init.d? |
| 15:21.08 | basix | How do i automatically start services at boot up? I want apache to start at boot up. I tried creating a symlink to /etc/init.d/apache at /etc/rcS.d/ but it doesnt work :( Is there some tool that can do it for me? |
| 15:21.08 | simonrvn | @tell WolfCub -about root |
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| 15:21.21 | asg | basix: update-rc.d, rcconf |
| 15:21.26 | rbochan | basix: cat /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:21.34 | justin | basix: apache already starts on bootup unless you broke it |
| 15:21.34 | caphuso | torc: then basically all you need to do is hack debian/{control,rules,changelog} |
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| 15:21.45 | basix | rbochan, i already read that |
| 15:22.01 | torc | caphuso: yeah, i understand. thanks for the help :) |
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| 15:22.13 | OctalTHOR | Ah, X.org. |
| 15:22.13 | sgeigerbot | Can someone remind me of the way in vi or vim to display the ascii codes for each key you press? (It's some sort of special mode, as I recall.) |
| 15:22.27 | basix | asg thanks |
| 15:22.29 | cmihai | Wow, super. TwinView works great :) |
| 15:22.35 | cmihai | But damn, it's comfusing :) |
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| 15:22.51 | mathieu | cmihai, you can run opengl on both screens |
| 15:22.52 | justin | sgeigerbot: :ascii ? |
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| 15:23.25 | cmihai | mathieu: does glxgears count ? |
| 15:23.31 | mathieu | cmihai, sure |
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| 15:23.46 | basix | is there any online resource which can help me get started with debian? I just love debian. Recently, i installed it on an old p1 and it just rocks :) |
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| 15:23.47 | ShaiW | heh, the apt-get cache is pretty empty, I think that something is wrong with my repository list |
| 15:23.48 | cmihai | Then yes, it works. On both screens. |
| 15:23.53 | sgeigerbot | justin: apparently no. |
| 15:24.07 | cmihai | That's what I read about the TwinView thing in the NVIDIA readme..that unlike xinerma it has OpenGL in both screens :0 |
| 15:24.13 | tzafrir | ShaiW, apt-setup |
| 15:24.18 | Spec | basix: www.debian.org ^.~ |
| 15:24.19 | shingouz | ShaiW: apt-get cache? apt-cache search foo |
| 15:24.37 | torc | is it possible to install a transparent IMAP proxy server that way, that it just passes all the authentication data to the destination server and does not consult any local database? |
| 15:24.47 | Lee__ | basix: what are you trying to get started with? |
| 15:24.48 | mathieu | why still use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 15:24.48 | mcdonaldswes | I had some problems doing a woody->sarge dist-upgrade and I had some problems with the netkit-inetd package. I'd like to completely remove it and reinstall, however when I do dpkg -P netkit-inetd I'm getting: /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm: line 4: /etc/init.d/inetd: No such file or directory |
| 15:24.51 | OctalTHOR | basix: I'll help here when I'm around. *shrugs* |
| 15:24.53 | basix | Spec, thanks |
| 15:25.11 | justin | torc: apt-cache search imap proxy |
| 15:25.13 | OctalTHOR | mcdonaldswes : touch /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 15:25.13 | cmihai | lol |
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| 15:25.25 | cmihai | Lamer, but: UT 2004 in one screen, doom3 in another :) |
| 15:25.32 | OctalTHOR | cmihai : Har. |
| 15:25.42 | mcdonaldswes | OctalTHOR: tried that, it complains with: /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm: line 4: /etc/init.d/inetd: Permission denied |
| 15:25.42 | basix | Lee__, well i am pretty much a console guy and i am used to redhat's scripts. Debian is a bit different so I need to know some basic console commands and stuff |
| 15:25.49 | basix | OctalTHOR, thanks :) |
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| 15:25.57 | mathieu | cmihai, unfortunately, some games are one xinerama aware and spawn over both screens :/ |
| 15:26.01 | mcdonaldswes | OctalTHOR: do you happen to know the correct permissions? |
| 15:26.01 | snadge | basix, you're a fucking wanker!] |
| 15:26.02 | mathieu | s/one/not/ |
| 15:26.06 | OctalTHOR | basic: There aren't many different scripts, I think. Just dpkg and apt instead of rpm and yum. |
| 15:26.10 | snadge | :P |
| 15:26.15 | snadge | yeah what OctalTHOR said |
| 15:26.17 | tzafrir | mcdonaldswes, edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm |
| 15:26.20 | kbrooks | snadge, suggestion: be nice |
| 15:26.21 | Hiruko | okay i have my lspci now |
| 15:26.21 | kbrooks | :) |
| 15:26.23 | Lee__ | basix: the console commands are the same. the directory layout is documented in the Debian Policy Manual on www.debian.org. Read the manpage for invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d for init scripts. |
| 15:26.24 | Spec | !wanker snadge |
| 15:26.24 | Hiruko | greycat: http://pastebin.com/312568 |
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| 15:26.42 | cmihai | Oh, I just make them windowed :(. |
| 15:26.44 | mcdonaldswes | tzafir: ah I see... |
| 15:26.50 | sgeigerbot | justin: ok, :ascii would work under some circumstances...but I'm trying to find the value the the ENTER key sends. |
| 15:26.59 | snadge | sorry.. sorry guys.. im drunk.. terribly sorry.. i've been drinking unfiltered distillate |
| 15:26.59 | sgeigerbot | justin: ...but maybe that's not ascii... |
| 15:27.00 | mcdonaldswes | tzafrir: it's trying to run inetd... ok thanks |
| 15:27.05 | basix | Lee__, ok |
| 15:27.07 | Spec | sgeigerbot: CR |
| 15:27.10 | mcdonaldswes | tzafrir: should have thought to examine the file :) |
| 15:27.18 | justin | sgeigerbot: man ascii? |
| 15:27.23 | greycat | Hiruko: ok, good start. can you also show "lspci -n | grep 03:06"? |
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| 15:27.52 | Hiruko | can i just put that hree? |
| 15:27.58 | greycat | yes, it's just one line |
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| 15:28.21 | Hiruko | 0000:03:06.0 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10) |
| 15:28.49 | Spec | (The real question that I have is, how do you accidently log into IRC as root?) |
| 15:28.57 | simonrvn | yay, lspci output |
| 15:29.00 | snadge | has anyone here even drunk unfiltered distillate? (ot sorry) |
| 15:29.04 | greycat | Spec: "forgot to exit from su"? |
| 15:29.07 | mcdonaldswes | during the woody->sarge upgrade, it asks if I should upgrade flex or keep the old changes... I don't use flex, so should I just take the default answer (No)? |
| 15:29.09 | OctalTHOR | Spec : Trip and accidentally hit a bunch of keys on the keyboard in a very specific manner? |
| 15:29.10 | cmihai | All I need is to flip the monitors around.. great. |
| 15:29.13 | Spec | greycat: sudo only? :p |
| 15:29.17 | simonrvn | lookie, greycat lspci |
| 15:29.24 | OctalTHOR | mcdonaldswes : If you don't use it, go ahead and upgrade. |
| 15:29.32 | greycat | simonrvn: yeah, now I just have to find this thing in google... |
| 15:29.35 | OctalTHOR | mcdonaldswes : That means you probably didn't change things, and the maintainer should know better than you. :) |
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| 15:29.46 | mcdonaldswes | OctalTHOR: ok thanks |
| 15:29.57 | simonrvn | tell him to run update-pciids |
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| 15:30.17 | greycat | static struct pci_device_id rtl8139_pci_tbl[] = { |
| 15:30.17 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.28 | greycat | that'll do, I suppose. (2.2.26 source tree) |
| 15:30.30 | simonrvn | 10ec Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd |
| 15:30.43 | simonrvn | 10ec 8139 RT8139 |
| 15:30.44 | basix | i am trying to download ISOs and I have a pretty slow connection but everytime the ISO turns up corrupted. I am downloading it using wget. Any idea why this may be happening? |
| 15:30.45 | justin | greycat: well there are different drivers for different cards like that in 2.4 and 2.6... |
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| 15:30.49 | greycat | so it's an RTL 8139, and not an RTL 8139C+ |
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| 15:30.57 | justin | basix: fix it using rsync |
| 15:30.57 | OctalTHOR | basix: Don't know. Which ISO are you getting? |
| 15:31.03 | greycat | hopefully. |
| 15:31.05 | stouset | So, really quick question. Why must certain scripts be run under fakeroot? i.e., debian/rules. |
| 15:31.14 | Covener | I think my notebook doesn't like using e100 for the install, is there a way to get the installer to use eepro? I opened a shell and there's no rmmod |
| 15:31.21 | OctalTHOR | stouset : Not "must". They need root, but they only think they do. |
| 15:31.32 | OctalTHOR | stouset : So it's safer to use fakeroot, which pretends to give them root, but it doesn't let them change stuff. |
| 15:31.38 | stew | stouset: it allows rules to do stuff like create tarballs with files that are uid 0 |
| 15:31.48 | simonrvn | modprobe -r maybe |
| 15:31.56 | simonrvn | Covener: ^^^ |
| 15:31.57 | paulswm | I think what he means is why do they need root/fakeroot privs in the first place |
| 15:31.59 | greycat | static struct pci_device_id rtl8139_pci_tbl[] = { |
| 15:31.59 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.00 | Covener | simonrvn: just looks for rmmod inthe path |
| 15:32.00 | stouset | stew: aaah, gotcha |
| 15:32.01 | greycat | in 2.4.31 |
| 15:32.14 | greycat | still looks like a "plain vanilla RTL 8139" |
| 15:32.16 | simonrvn | even m-i-t? |
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| 15:32.25 | basix | OctalTHOR, its a gentoo ISO |
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| 15:32.35 | snadge | yo fucker |
| 15:32.36 | snadge | yo fucker |
| 15:32.37 | stouset | OctalTHOR: Yes, I knew about that, but I was wondering why Debian would use fakeroot rather than just fix the permission issues if that were the case for building debs. |
| 15:32.37 | Hiruko | okay |
| 15:32.40 | Lee__ | basix: /join #gentoo |
| 15:32.40 | snadge | shit sorry |
| 15:32.43 | basix | justin, does rsync work with http links? |
| 15:32.57 | Lanz | !tell Lanz about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:33.08 | Lee__ | basix: there's also wget -c |
| 15:33.09 | OctalTHOR | Lanz: Just msg the bot. :P |
| 15:33.09 | asg | Lanz: you can also /msg the bot |
| 15:33.14 | basix | Lee__, but i am downloading using debian :P. Also, |
| 15:33.21 | stouset | Lanz: The nvidia one-liner is even easier now if you're running sid. |
| 15:33.22 | Lanz | ty guys |
| 15:33.24 | basix | Lee__, thats what i am using (wget -c) |
| 15:33.25 | greycat | Hiruko: I see no obvious reasons why the 8139too driver would fail. in 2.4 or 2.6. |
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| 15:33.41 | Hiruko | greycat: I didnt' think it was a driver problem |
| 15:33.47 | greycat | Hiruko: if you have a problem with the upstream 2.4 driver or the 2.6 debian drivers, then it's probably beyond our ability to help |
| 15:33.53 | basix | Lee__, thats what i am using. Actually its wget -c http://blah...iso --tries 0 --timeout 5 |
| 15:33.57 | Lee__ | basix: perhaps the mirror you're downloading from has a corrupted ISO? |
| 15:34.07 | Hiruko | someone gave me something else to try |
| 15:34.08 | greycat | Hiruko: it could, of course, be hardware failure too. even if it's "new". |
| 15:34.11 | tzafrir | stouset, that way you can also mknod, and also easily generate tarballs with files by root |
| 15:34.12 | basix | Lee__, i have tried two different mirros |
| 15:34.18 | basix | *mirrors |
| 15:34.19 | stouset | tzafrir: thanks |
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| 15:34.34 | justin | basix: fix it using rsync |
| 15:34.35 | Hiruko | hmm but if the hardware works in 2.4.27-2-386 then it's not a hardware progblem |
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| 15:34.51 | simonrvn | AFAICT, it doesn't, for m-i-t modprobe |
| 15:34.53 | tzafrir | stouset, and besides, fakeroot is cool |
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| 15:34.56 | basix | justin, any clues? I am looking up man right now |
| 15:35.00 | simonrvn | but i could be wrong |
| 15:35.29 | caphuso | fakeroot is the fix for the permission issue |
| 15:35.38 | stouset | tzafrir: Haha. |
| 15:35.46 | mfrisch | How do start xorg startx doesnt work? |
| 15:35.55 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 15:35.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:35.57 | stouset | Is there a way to invert a glob in bash? i.e., give me all files that are NOT blah |
| 15:35.58 | Lee__ | basix: have does the mirror give you a md5? |
| 15:36.16 | greycat | stouset: shopt -s extglob (ENTER) ls !(*.foo) |
| 15:36.19 | caphuso | stouset: shopt -s extglob; echo !(*) |
| 15:36.20 | mathieu | mfrisch, startx works for me |
| 15:36.23 | basix | lee__, yeah. that is how i know the ISO is corrupt |
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| 15:36.29 | tzafrir | stouset, esc-shift-8 expands the glob. |
| 15:36.42 | tzafrir | it doesn't work with the programable completion, though |
| 15:36.48 | Lee__ | basix: maybe you're using an FTP link and using ASCII mode? |
| 15:36.53 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 15:37.17 | basix | Lee__, no. its an http server |
| 15:37.22 | simonrvn | this would/could explain "don't use insmod/rmmod in 2.6" |
| 15:37.25 | mfrisch | I installed vlc which took off gdm. now I can't get back in it says xorg is installed and it worked fine. |
| 15:37.26 | Lee__ | weird. sounds like a corrupt ISO. |
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| 15:37.46 | kbrooks | mfrisch, bug? |
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| 15:37.57 | simonrvn | packages deps |
| 15:38.05 | greycat | mfrisch: so startx is failing because gdm and/or vlc is already running an X server on display :0 and you forgot to put -- :1 ? |
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| 15:38.29 | yoo | Can i do a defrag on my ext3 partition because of that : |
| 15:38.29 | basix | Lee__, the weirdest part is that I tried downloading the ISO of two different distros from two different mirrors and both turned up corrupt :@ |
| 15:38.30 | yoo | Wed Jul 13 15:55:57 2005: \002/tmp: 17/244320 files (5.9% non-contiguous), 38936/488344 blocks |
| 15:38.45 | factor | does anyone else have a problem with unstable version of kmail? |
| 15:38.49 | simonrvn | oh, that bit. thought s/he was talking about the the glx xorg libs stuff |
| 15:38.51 | yoo | i have non-contiguous block on all my partitions |
| 15:39.03 | Mindship-01 | Is there a debian/control file for the kernel source? I asked this question too yesterday. I want to let the kernel package suggest some other packages... |
| 15:39.05 | mfrisch | greycat no I rebooted and I am starting x no gdm no more. startx no command found. |
| 15:39.10 | asg | yoo: just ignore it, it's harmless. |
| 15:39.14 | greycat | jesus christ. |
| 15:39.19 | greycat | !tell mfrisch about sid faq |
| 15:39.21 | snadge | should i walk to the end of my driveway and back? |
| 15:39.21 | greycat | !tell mfrisch about search |
| 15:39.24 | deepfrze | basix: I had a bad business card iso the other day. |
| 15:39.24 | rbochan | yoo: clicky clicky... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.mandrake/msg/38a9eeb8d01b1dbb?hl=en |
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| 15:39.29 | yoo | oki |
| 15:39.30 | factor | ever since I upgraded a week ago, I get this message - KDEInit could not launch 'kmail' |
| 15:39.44 | simonrvn | sunday is upon us |
| 15:39.45 | asg | factor: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 15:39.48 | Lee__ | factor: woah. sounds pretty unstable. |
| 15:39.49 | rbochan | simonrvn: heh |
| 15:39.50 | deepfrze | basix: someone else on here had the same problem |
| 15:39.55 | stouset | tzafrir: That's handy, thanks. |
| 15:40.13 | snadge | greycat, please answer me.. as i've consumed over 160ml of raw distillate at over 90% alcohol.. i hope you can do the imperial conversions if you are american |
| 15:40.16 | basix | deepfrze, should i try downloading it a third time from a different mirror? |
| 15:40.18 | snadge | :P |
| 15:40.19 | nvz | simonrvn: its only wednesday.. snadge is just trolling us |
| 15:40.26 | kbrooks | who? |
| 15:40.31 | snadge | nvz, i work for IBM .. serious! |
| 15:40.34 | snadge | hahahah |
| 15:40.36 | nvz | snadge: heh |
| 15:40.38 | nvz | I believe it |
| 15:40.42 | yoo | OK NO defrag ext3 |
| 15:40.46 | kbrooks | nvz, uh. troll as in offtopic troll |
| 15:40.48 | deepfrze | basix: is it the business card iso? |
| 15:40.48 | kbrooks | ? |
| 15:40.54 | nvz | only IBM would hire you |
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| 15:41.06 | *** mode/#debian [+q snadge!*@*] by greycat |
| 15:41.06 | simonrvn | as in not even vaguely funny troll |
| 15:41.08 | nvz | kbrooks: as in /lastlog snadge... hasnt said one meaningful thing |
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| 15:41.37 | simonrvn | ...that won't be saying anything for a while |
| 15:41.43 | kbrooks | heh |
| 15:41.45 | mfrisch | greycat says xbase-clients |
| 15:41.48 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 15:42.05 | deepfrze | basix: if it is, try the full net install iso. |
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| 15:42.20 | nvz | yeah I guess he didn't know greycat works for #debian shutting people up |
| 15:42.34 | FieldySnuts | hopefully makijn gmore money |
| 15:42.35 | kbrooks | lol. |
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| 15:42.48 | kbrooks | huh. |
| 15:43.09 | FieldySnuts | gimmie a fuckin human that's what |
| 15:43.12 | kbrooks | trying to compile a XFCE package here |
| 15:43.17 | kbrooks | er |
| 15:43.17 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: just press 0 repeatedly |
| 15:43.22 | rbochan | yup |
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| 15:43.28 | asg | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 15:43.29 | kbrooks | hmmm |
| 15:43.34 | RichiH | or cuss and scream at the computer |
| 15:43.49 | FieldySnuts | taking a 15 minute break from it, very frustrating, maybe i will pound on 0 |
| 15:43.52 | asg | FieldySnuts: or drink what snadge was consuming |
| 15:43.54 | nvz | If its voice activated I just swear profanly in different languages until it says "sorry I cannot understand you" and puts someone on |
| 15:43.56 | RichiH | some call centers will monitor connections for signs of callers becoming irrate |
| 15:44.04 | basix | deepfrze, sorry for my ignorance but what is the "business card iso"? |
| 15:44.04 | kbrooks | grrr |
| 15:44.08 | FieldySnuts | this is SBC, that's not happening |
| 15:44.11 | greycat | basix: a really small ISO |
| 15:44.19 | greycat | basix: fits on a physically small CD-R |
| 15:44.42 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: badger/os? |
| 15:44.42 | dpkg | from memory, badger/os is a tool which lets sussudio accomplish various sales related tasks while working for Compaq |
| 15:44.53 | basix | greycat, ok. but its not. Its a regular 650MB one |
| 15:44.55 | RichiH | basix: an iso small enough to fit on businesscard cds |
| 15:44.55 | simonrvn | snadge is whining about the +q, FYI. /msed me about it |
| 15:45.03 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 15:45.07 | kbrooks | I fricking have libxml2, xfce 4.2.x, and gtk+ 2.6.x. WHY isnt this package compiling? :| |
| 15:45.11 | RichiH | basix: cd(-r)s in the form of a business card |
| 15:45.11 | deepfrze | basix: it's the "minimal" cd |
| 15:45.26 | FieldySnuts | you're compiling, you're on your own, have fun |
| 15:45.28 | asg | kbrooks: do you have the '-dev' versions of those packages? |
| 15:45.39 | RichiH | basix: the business cd is ~26 MB |
| 15:45.40 | kbrooks | asg, dont think so |
| 15:45.40 | basix | deepfrze, nope its not that. |
| 15:45.44 | nvz | simonrvn: will have to /ignore. he's identified. +CE wont help |
| 15:45.44 | asg | kbrooks: then there's your sign |
| 15:45.50 | simonrvn | i am ;) |
| 15:45.54 | kbrooks | asg: k |
| 15:46.14 | kbrooks | asg: why am i 'on my own' when trying to compile? :| |
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| 15:46.30 | simonrvn | we don't support breakage =) |
| 15:46.42 | FieldySnuts | because this isn't #lfs or #gentoo </troll> |
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| 15:46.43 | rbochan | kbrooks: because this is #debian, not #lfs |
| 15:46.45 | basix | RichiH, the one i am downloading is a 650MB one |
| 15:46.53 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite rbochan |
| 15:46.54 | asg | kbrooks: because debian has packages for xfce and source packages for building the ones it does have packages for. Anything else is outside of the scope of #debian. |
| 15:46.54 | dpkg | rbochan: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
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| 15:46.59 | rbochan | :P |
| 15:47.01 | kbrooks | ok |
| 15:47.01 | RichiH | basix: then you are not getting the netinstall iso |
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| 15:47.21 | CyberK | hi all |
| 15:47.27 | Deffie | hi all, i heard that sarge is out...i'm using woody i've to update my sources.list and do dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:47.35 | asg | Deffie: no |
| 15:47.36 | CyberK | how can force some package to install (despite that it says that there is a file that belongs to other package)? |
| 15:47.41 | rbochan | Deffie: read the realease notes first |
| 15:47.42 | dondelelcaro | Deffie: read the release notes. |
| 15:47.44 | asg | Deffie: /msg dpkg woody->sarge and /msg dpkg sarge release notes |
| 15:47.44 | kbrooks | asg: Your answer > other's answers. Yay :P |
| 15:47.47 | basix | RichiH, but i dont want it. I have a very slow connection... |
| 15:47.55 | Deffie | ookay :), thank you |
| 15:48.00 | RichiH | basix: ah, ok |
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| 15:48.10 | Mindship-01 | Is there a debian/control file for the kernel source? I asked this question too yesterday. I want to let the kernel package suggest some other packages... |
| 15:48.22 | asg | kbrooks: that's because I handle my booze better than snadge |
| 15:48.31 | simonrvn | @asg++ |
| 15:48.31 | CosmoDad | I have two NICs in my machine. How can I tell Debian to assign eth0 to NIC a and eth1 to NIC b? |
| 15:48.37 | Mindship-01 | sorry, my snd card is not installed yet, If someone answered me I didn't hear it... |
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| 15:48.56 | justin | !tell CosmoDad about nameif |
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| 15:49.03 | deepfrze | basix: what mirror, what image are you downloading? |
| 15:49.04 | EdibleText | Mindship-01, heh |
| 15:49.05 | nvz | good thig too, gawd I hate sound alerts. |
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| 15:49.18 | kbrooks | grrr |
| 15:49.20 | nvz | I don't use an alarm clock, but if I did, it would just have a flashing red LED |
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| 15:49.40 | iezahel | Hi everyone, I have a question |
| 15:49.40 | CosmoDad | justin: thx |
| 15:49.46 | tzafrir | Mindship-01, no. you use kernel-package |
| 15:49.53 | shaiW | how do I get debian to realize there are screen resolutions deeper then 800*600? |
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| 15:50.05 | kbrooks | asg: this is precisly why I dont compile from src anymore |
| 15:50.09 | Klowner_ | Anyone know if OpenOffice.org has to run inside the 32bit chroot if using pure64 still? |
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| 15:50.12 | kbrooks | :P |
| 15:50.24 | Mindship-01 | how than do I change the suggests tzafrir (or EdibleText)? |
| 15:50.35 | shingouz | !tell shaiW about drxx |
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| 15:50.41 | tzafrir | Mindship-01, the process of creating a debian package is generally one of invoking a makefile |
| 15:50.42 | nvz | I am a firm believer that there is never a good reason to be "alarmed" especially in the morning when you have to wake up, or when there is a minor event on your pc |
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| 15:51.10 | nvz | not even fire alarms are that good of an idea.. if you cant see the smoke and flames, fuck you! :P |
| 15:51.14 | Mindship-01 | tzafrir: I cannot find any suggests or depends in the makefile... :'( |
| 15:51.17 | AnguS | hello! i have trouble installing sarge on my machine. i have two ethernet adapters (not one, TWO!), but none of them works (marvell yukon pci-e, and nvidia nforce4) |
| 15:51.18 | kbrooks | Mindship-01, apt-get source hello and learn |
| 15:51.37 | AnguS | is there a module i can get on a floppy or something for install? |
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| 15:51.41 | asg | kbrooks: compiling debian source packages is occasionally useful (i.e. getting ssl support for cadaver by editing debian/rules) |
| 15:51.42 | iezahel | I am using Debian and have a problem with the sound ,sometimes when for e.g. mplayer crash, the sound continue to play and can't turn it off in no way |
| 15:51.44 | kbrooks | in fact, that is what i am doing now |
| 15:51.45 | kbrooks | :) |
| 15:51.46 | tzafrir | So generally use the 'debian' target of that makefile to create the debian/ subdir, edit its contents, and use 'fakeroot debian/rules buildpackage' |
| 15:51.58 | Mindship-01 | If I remember correctly the hello program uses debian/control kbrooks |
| 15:52.07 | tzafrir | (right? not sure about the target name. I do remember debian/rules) |
| 15:52.11 | kbrooks | Mindship-01, you can use that as a example |
| 15:52.15 | greycat | AnguS: do linux drivers exist *at all* for these things? |
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| 15:52.41 | nvz | iezahel: first of all mplayer is not in debian, so thats not a sound problem in debian. 2nd you can in fact type lsof /dev/dsp (or whatever your sound device is -- possibly as root) and kill that process |
| 15:52.46 | basix | deepfrze, http://ftp.knoppix.nl/os/Linux/distr/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso |
| 15:52.50 | raf256 | heh |
| 15:52.56 | AnguS | greycat: i have no idea... i guess... i was using ubuntu 5.04 and the nvidia ethernt worked |
| 15:53.04 | AnguS | but wait... whats the kernel the install cd is using? |
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| 15:53.10 | raf256 | 1.5 hour later of continous effortf of me and $iptables guys and we still can not set a simple NAT! |
| 15:53.24 | justin | AnguS: that depends, what kernel did you tell it to use? |
| 15:53.25 | Mindship-01 | kbrooks: what example to take from hello if I do not know where the kernel-compile gets its dependencies? |
| 15:53.25 | raf256 | !smite nat |
| 15:53.27 | Lee__ | basix: use bittorrent. I downloaded that ISO yesterday. |
| 15:53.34 | greycat | AnguS: so use the ubuntu kernel |
| 15:53.38 | xoz | raf256: tried guideddog? |
| 15:53.39 | basix | deepfrze, how do i calculate the SHA1 sum? |
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| 15:53.44 | xoz | raf256: or guarddog |
| 15:53.46 | CosmoDad | I have another issue: my debian laptop runs a stock 2.4 and a patched 2.4 kernel. If I boot stock, my box gets its IP assigned by DHCP. If I use the patched one, however, DHCP fails to get an address. Idea? (no, the patch has nothing to do with networking)) |
| 15:53.47 | basix | Lee__, lol |
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| 15:53.56 | greycat | basix: man -k sha1 |
| 15:53.58 | kbrooks | Mindship-01, apt-get source <pkg> wherever you want the pkg in |
| 15:53.59 | AnguS | justin: just default, put the cd in and booted |
| 15:53.59 | raf256 | xoz: no....? |
| 15:54.01 | nvz | !aolify Lee__ |
| 15:54.05 | raf256 | Lee__: indeed |
| 15:54.11 | justin | AnguS: sounds like you should read the help at th eboot screens |
| 15:54.15 | greycat | AnguS: you had to press Enter to boot. |
| 15:54.15 | AnguS | heh ok |
| 15:54.16 | Lee__ | ha ha ha! haters. |
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| 15:54.21 | rbochan | CosmoDad: forget to compile NIC support in? |
| 15:54.23 | AnguS | yes i will press f1 then |
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| 15:54.34 | AnguS | i just thought about that now... didnt remember sarge was on 2.4 default =) lol |
| 15:54.36 | Lee__ | !knoppixsmite nvz |
| 15:54.37 | Mindship-01 | kbrooks: I'm not quite sure if I understand you |
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| 15:54.39 | iezahel | nvz I tried it, but the sound continue, it is an unpleasent sound |
| 15:54.41 | asg | Lee__: why use knoppix when you can create your own custom live cd with 'bootcd' |
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| 15:54.45 | shaiW | !tell shaiw drxx |
| 15:54.55 | nvz | Lee__: goto #knoppix, and take sgeigerbot with you. |
| 15:54.57 | Lee__ | because I'm uncool :) |
| 15:54.59 | WoodsDog | what are people doing to get gaim to work in unstable? |
| 15:55.03 | kbrooks | Lee__, we don't 'hate' knoppix. we don't 'support' knoppix |
| 15:55.06 | xoz | CosmoDad: something to do with network config in the kernel. |
| 15:55.06 | CosmoDad | rbochan: it's included, the driver actually finds eth0 |
| 15:55.23 | Lee__ | kbrooks: who's asking for support? |
| 15:55.25 | basix | greycat, thanks got it |
| 15:55.29 | greycat | WoodsDog: what did the bug system suggest? |
| 15:55.38 | rbochan | CosmoDad: forget to compile ipv4 or ipv6 support? |
| 15:55.40 | kbrooks | Lee__, technically, you are |
| 15:55.48 | nvz | iezahel: even when you are sure no processes are using it? using lsof/fuser? |
| 15:55.50 | Lee__ | kbrooks: how so? |
| 15:55.53 | xoz | CosmoDad: there are many options in the networking part of the kernel configuration. |
| 15:55.55 | Lee__ | technically... |
| 15:55.55 | CosmoDad | rbochan, xoz: the only major network difference is that the stock kernel includes a WLAN driver that is loaded while the patched one doesn't (cause it's an external module) |
| 15:56.00 | shaiW | !tell drxx shaiw |
| 15:56.07 | WoodsDog | um..where is the bug system? I saw that it's an issue of upgrading to libaspell15c2 |
| 15:56.15 | asg | WoodsDog: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:56.15 | nvz | iezahel: have you tried unloading the sound module? |
| 15:56.17 | greycat | !sidsmite WoodsDog |
| 15:56.24 | CosmoDad | rbochan, xoz: actually, the patched one is concerning the configuration like a stock one, all settings included as modules where possible |
| 15:56.25 | WoodsDog | :) thanks |
| 15:56.27 | iezahel | nvz how can I do that ? |
| 15:56.33 | greycat | !topicsmite WoodsDog |
| 15:56.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon WoodsDog. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:56.34 | shaiW | well, how do I start the xorg config wiz again? |
| 15:56.37 | iezahel | nvz I am a new in Linux world |
| 15:56.46 | nvz | iezahel: do what? |
| 15:56.54 | iezahel | nvz unload sound module |
| 15:56.57 | ircdevil | !n00b |
| 15:56.58 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 15:57.05 | greycat | shaiW: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't work? |
| 15:57.13 | nvz | iezahel: are you sure no processes are using the soundcard, with fuser or lsof? |
| 15:57.15 | shaiW | it did, I did something wrong |
| 15:57.17 | shaiW | going at it again |
| 15:57.22 | kbrooks | Lee__, think |
| 15:57.28 | xoz | CosmoDad: try lsmod of the stock and compare it with the lsmod of patched... make sure the network related stuffs are similar |
| 15:57.30 | Lee__ | kbrooks: think |
| 15:57.30 | kbrooks | use your head |
| 15:57.33 | nvz | iezahel: you can close a program and it can still be running in the process list or even become defunct |
| 15:57.34 | CosmoDad | rbochan, xoz: I think it has something to do with the fact that stock loads two NICs (network card and WLAN adapter) while the patched kernel only loads one, but I'm not sure |
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| 15:57.42 | Lee__ | !annoy kbrooks |
| 15:57.47 | kbrooks | Lee__, dont copy me |
| 15:57.50 | Lee__ | !irritate kbrooks |
| 15:57.50 | dpkg | kbrooks: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my lindows werkz !!!! |
| 15:57.52 | nvz | iezahel: if something is using the sound card, you cannot unload the module |
| 15:57.56 | CosmoDad | xoz: already did that, it looks similar with respect to network modules |
| 15:57.56 | iezahel | nvz fuser and lsof do not show nothing for /dev/dsp |
| 15:58.07 | kbrooks | Lee__, dont hide behind dpkg |
| 15:58.13 | CosmoDad | xoz: in both kernels, e1000 gets loaded which is the network driver for the NIC that is supposed to use DHCP |
| 15:58.14 | ircdevil | !be mwilson |
| 15:58.15 | nvz | iezahel: /dev/dsp may not be _your_ sound device |
| 15:58.28 | Mindship-01 | kbrooks (and others): I guess I'll hand in the suggests on a piece of paper than. |
| 15:58.33 | Mindship-01 | :-P |
| 15:58.43 | Mindship-01 | All I need is a filename! |
| 15:58.46 | iezahel | nvz it is, the first time it shows gmplayer and i kill tje process, but the unpleasant sound continue |
| 15:58.51 | shaiW | well, nope, it doesn't work that well |
| 15:59.04 | xoz | CosmoDad: not that... things like packet limit, ip_*... ipt_* |
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| 15:59.11 | shaiW | It totallty ignored the fact that I marked 1280*1024 |
| 15:59.11 | EdibleText | iezahel, using alsa? |
| 15:59.13 | nvz | iezahel: lets start from the beginning here. gonna have to provide some information. |
| 15:59.19 | sgeigerbot | nvz: firecracker firecracker shish boom bah, knoppix knoppix, rah rah rah |
| 15:59.27 | nvz | iezahel: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:59.34 | nvz | iezahel: uname -r |
| 15:59.40 | Lee__ | sgeigerbot: they're so touchy about words, right? |
| 15:59.54 | nvz | Lee__: he's a knoppix fanboy just like you |
| 15:59.59 | iezahel | nvz private chat ? |
| 16:00.06 | Lee__ | !fanboy |
| 16:00.09 | nvz | Lee__: move your cheerleading practice to #knoppix |
| 16:00.09 | EdibleText | iezahel, if so then you may be able to run 'alsaconf'; it will kill all processes using sound |
| 16:00.14 | MrKeuner | hi, why does x.org is replacing xfree86? because it is newer?(if it is) or because xfree86 is not that free(if it is) anymore? |
| 16:00.15 | sgeigerbot | Lee__: But words are things, and a small drop of ink, Falling like dew, upon a thought, produces That which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think. --Lord Byron |
| 16:00.22 | Lee__ | nvz: drink more tea. |
| 16:00.26 | shaiW | how do I make the os recognize the fact that 1280*1024 is an existing resolution? |
| 16:00.29 | iezahel | EdibleText no alsa |
| 16:00.30 | dondelelcaro | MrKeuner: yes. |
| 16:00.30 | xoz | Covener: ip_tables, iptable_filter, etc... anything related to packet, routing, network layer |
| 16:00.30 | asg | MrKeuner: yes, x.org is replacing xfree. /msg dpkg get xorg |
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| 16:00.51 | dondelelcaro | shaiW: fix your refresh rates and enter that resolution. |
| 16:00.53 | Lee__ | chill out. just some one uses one word you don't like doesn't mean they are annoying you. |
| 16:00.53 | FieldySnuts | boy the onslaught of xorg questions is gonna be fun |
| 16:01.00 | CosmoDad | xoz: sorry I got disconnected... |
| 16:01.09 | egg | hehehehehehehehehe |
| 16:01.09 | FieldySnuts | @annoy Lee__ |
| 16:01.10 | shaiW | dondelelcaro, I did that already :/ |
| 16:01.10 | ravenbird | Lee__: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 16:01.23 | rbochan | CosmoDad: this "patched" kernel.. is it the same version as stock? |
| 16:01.25 | nvz | Lee__: maybe you misunderstand the topic of conversation here and how knoppix is not a part of it |
| 16:01.31 | nvz | we all know sgeigerbot does |
| 16:01.33 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: no need to abuse people by the bot. Just /ignore them. |
| 16:01.34 | Gnea | Lee__: stick to topic or get toasted |
| 16:01.36 | CosmoDad | xoz: what confuses me is that under the patched kernel where there's only one NIC that gets successfully loaded but yet fails to DHCP |
| 16:01.38 | Lee__ | nvz: you are talking about it more than I am now :) |
| 16:01.44 | xoz | CosmoDad: : ip_tables, iptable_filter, etc... anything related to packet, routing, network layer |
| 16:01.47 | kbrooks | Lee__, fuck you wanker |
| 16:01.52 | kbrooks | !annoy Lee__ |
| 16:01.53 | CosmoDad | rbochan: yeah it's the source of the stock kernel, patched and repackaged into a source and image package |
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| 16:01.59 | Lee__ | I just said one line and it turned into some kind of fight |
| 16:02.02 | Lee__ | !start an os war |
| 16:02.02 | dpkg | VMS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 16:02.03 | Gnea | hehehe |
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| 16:02.24 | rbochan | CosmoDad: I'd start with the fresh compile using the stick config + patch and nothing else and see if that works.. |
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| 16:02.34 | rbochan | *stick/stock |
| 16:02.51 | Dk0rr | Im running on a brand new debian install, and my space bar is not working. how to i remap it??? |
| 16:02.51 | xoz | CosmoDad: things like packet limit, ip_*... ipt_* in lsmod... not the ethernet driver support... networking layer support |
| 16:02.53 | Dk0rr | Im running on a brand new debian install, and my space bar is not working. how to i remap it??? |
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| 16:03.04 | CosmoDad | rbochan, xoz: do you guys have any idea whether it has something to do with "two NICs vs. one", /etc/networking/interfaces or something like that? |
| 16:03.04 | greycat | replace the keyboard. |
| 16:03.11 | FieldySnuts | Dk0rr: please don't repeat, people will simply ignore you if you annoy them |
| 16:03.11 | Dk0rr | greycat: ? |
| 16:03.17 | ValheruLord | hi all... why does xorg does'nt support nvidia glx? |
| 16:03.18 | rbochan | CosmoDad: if it works, you can run diff on your corrently patch config and the new config |
| 16:03.19 | Dk0rr | fieldy: accidnet |
| 16:03.26 | ValheruLord | when can it support |
| 16:03.29 | greycat | ValheruLord: ask #xorg or #x.org |
| 16:03.30 | asg | ValheruLord: welcome to unstable; be patient |
| 16:03.31 | iezahel | nvz is there a way to clean the /dev/dsp buffer ot smth like that |
| 16:03.35 | FieldySnuts | ValheruLord: it does. |
| 16:03.39 | Dk0rr | FieldySnuts: do u know how? |
| 16:03.40 | greycat | I guess the former. |
| 16:03.49 | nvz | iezahel: try what kbrooks suggested.. you are probably using alsa |
| 16:03.52 | raf256 | how to turn off fucking bel in freaking console and wtf it is ON by default |
| 16:03.54 | FieldySnuts | communicate and spell properly with me, and I might talk to you |
| 16:03.54 | MrKeuner | dondelelcaro/ yes for which one? |
| 16:04.01 | CosmoDad | xoz, rbochan: I noticed that on some machines if you move from 2.4 to 2.6 network sometimes fails to work 'cause drivers get loaded differently |
| 16:04.01 | dondelelcaro | MrKeuner: both. |
| 16:04.08 | MrKeuner | thanks |
| 16:04.19 | iezahel | nvz I have no alsaconf |
| 16:04.26 | Dk0rr | FieldySnuts: thnx neways :) |
| 16:04.29 | cahoot | iezahel: does 'ls /proc/asound' return anything? |
| 16:04.34 | ValheruLord | FieldySnuts: How then? |
| 16:04.41 | RichiH | !neway |
| 16:04.41 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Please take off the troll hat. :-) |
| 16:04.42 | nvz | iezahel: lsmod | grep snd | wc -l |
| 16:04.45 | CosmoDad | xoz, rbochan: maybe it's something like that? I could try to attempt what you propose, but I've really done nothing except for added CPUFreq support by patching and rebooting with an otherwise identical kernel |
| 16:04.49 | FieldySnuts | ValheruLord: I don't know, i only know that it does. ask the channels mentioned |
| 16:04.51 | kbrooks | test |
| 16:04.58 | asg | kbrooks: no, you're not online |
| 16:05.03 | rbochan | CosmoDad: it doesn't sound identical though |
| 16:05.05 | tarzeau | can i fork something that is GNU GPL. and then on my version i change very little code (a variable name or so), and then add the exception "may build against openssl" to the license and distribute that? |
| 16:05.07 | kbrooks | who was silenced? |
| 16:05.09 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I am trying to help people with debian here.. I am not trolling. |
| 16:05.12 | iezahel | nvz 12 47 623 |
| 16:05.13 | kbrooks | other than me |
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| 16:05.25 | rbochan | CosmoDad: you might also try running diff on the configs you have now |
| 16:05.25 | CosmoDad | rbochan: except for this additional ipw2200 WLAN module... |
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| 16:05.29 | asg | kbrooks: snadge, Lee__ |
| 16:05.33 | nvz | kbrooks: snadge, Lee__, and someone not on the server |
| 16:05.40 | kbrooks | I noticed someone with a similar hostmask |
| 16:05.43 | kbrooks | to mine |
| 16:05.44 | rbochan | CosmoDad: perhaps some irq sharing snafu of some sort? |
| 16:05.44 | iezahel | nvz ls /proc/asound returns smth |
| 16:05.44 | nvz | kbrooks: /who is your friend |
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| 16:05.54 | tzafrir | tarzeau, to your changes: yes. To the whole codebase: no |
| 16:05.56 | CosmoDad | rbochan: possibly... |
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| 16:05.59 | Mindship-01 | Why may I not change Suggests: lilo (>= 19.1) | grub, fdutils, kernel-doc-2.4.27-a52 | kernel-source-2.4.27-a52 ??? |
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| 16:06.05 | kbrooks | ? |
| 16:06.08 | kbrooks | dondelelcaro, hm? |
| 16:06.10 | FieldySnuts | Mindship-01: huh? |
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| 16:06.13 | tarzeau | tzafrir: damn! |
| 16:06.18 | cahoot | iezahel: indicates you have alsa enabled |
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| 16:06.29 | rbochan | CosmoDad: you might try booting into each kernel and checking the bootlogs/dmeg and see if there are any differences as well |
| 16:06.30 | makinso | hey, im having trouble with my external harddrive, how can i force it to mount? |
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| 16:06.45 | sgeigerbot | nvz: ok, then don't flame so much. He was starting to bleed. |
| 16:06.47 | nvz | iezahel: I have no idea what that means |
| 16:06.50 | Mindship-01 | I try to change the suggests of a kernel package I'm building but the kernel source has no debian/control FieldySnuts |
| 16:06.54 | nvz | sgeigerbot: heh. sorry |
| 16:06.55 | cahoot | iezahel: does 'fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' return anything? |
| 16:06.55 | iezahel | so i may not have its config ? |
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| 16:07.00 | tzafrir | Mindship-01, what is your problem with that? |
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| 16:07.29 | iezahel | cahool no |
| 16:07.37 | ShaiW | well, I've fiddled around with the configurations for some time now, but it still would'nt allow me to set the resolution for anything higher then 1024*768 |
| 16:07.37 | Mindship-01 | I want to chage the suggests of the kernel package I'm building tzafrir |
| 16:07.38 | nvz | iezahel: you are using alsa it seems, you havent installed the proper packages |
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| 16:07.58 | tzafrir | Mindship-01, what exactly do you want to change? |
| 16:07.59 | nvz | iezahel: I think you need alsa-utils, though I am not certain |
| 16:08.02 | iezahel | nvz ok i will search for alsa config files |
| 16:08.20 | makinso | can someone help me get this external mounted please |
| 16:08.24 | tzafrir | Mindship-01, and why not simply edit the control file? |
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| 16:08.38 | Mindship-01 | I want it not to suggest kernel-doc-_VERSION and suggest some other packages |
| 16:08.57 | Mindship-01 | but there is no control file tzafrir! |
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| 16:09.15 | dondelelcaro | Mindship-01: suggests aren't really followed by the tools, so there's really no point. |
| 16:09.18 | tzafrir | Mindship-01, so it is probably created from some template |
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| 16:09.45 | nvz | makinso: you are going to have to be more specific here. or you will simply be ignored. add to your revision of your question relevant details. HD Interface, filesystem, perhaps kernel version (uname -r) |
| 16:09.49 | CosmoDad | rbochan: I'll give that a try.. |
| 16:09.57 | CosmoDad | rbochan, xoz: thx for helping -- rebooting... |
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| 16:10.00 | rbochan | CosmoDad: I'm not sure what else to suggest |
| 16:10.01 | Mindship-01 | dondelelcaro: Yep, but when you know me you know I can get mad in this type of situation. The damn thing must do what I want! :-P |
| 16:10.03 | nvz | makinso: maybe even an ERROR you are having :P |
| 16:10.21 | Mindship-01 | tzafrir: Have you got any idea where to look for such a file? |
| 16:10.30 | tzafrir | debian/* |
| 16:10.40 | fred_ | hello |
| 16:10.51 | dondelelcaro | Mindship-01: then file a wishlist request against make-kpkg; run the clean command with the appropriate options, and modulate the control file. |
| 16:11.02 | CosmoDad | rbochan: I think I can manage something with your hints... |
| 16:11.03 | dondelelcaro | Mindship-01: alternatively, unpack the deb, modulate the control file, and repack it. |
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| 16:11.11 | rbochan | good luck |
| 16:11.20 | makinso | ok im on 2.6.11-1-686, the device shows as /dev/sda1 but i cant mount it as that, the mountpoint ive made for it is /mnt/usb |
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| 16:12.01 | notsnadge | i went for my walk.. yet im still banned.. what gives ;) |
| 16:12.07 | Mindship-01 | now dondelelcaro, there you got a solution. Finally,,, |
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| 16:12.22 | nvz | notsnadge: you were not banned |
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| 16:12.42 | fred_ | maybe not the place for this ... but i send my web site for graphique and web design ... made by Gnu Application |
| 16:12.42 | nvz | heh |
| 16:12.54 | fred_ | http://gribouillage-libre.dyndns.org/ |
| 16:12.55 | dondelelcaro | notsnadge: evading +q's is the quickest way to have them last longer. |
| 16:12.57 | greycat | dondelelcaro: having a good Wednesday so far? |
| 16:13.07 | dondelelcaro | greycat: fine |
| 16:13.27 | Mindship-01 | thanks dondelelcaro, I'll remember you. |
| 16:13.29 | Mindship-01 | bye! |
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| 16:14.35 | nse | My computer is crashing all the time and i can't find out what is causing all that. I tested the whole RAM with memtest and my HD with smartmontools. My video card is VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] and i've tried vesa, s3, savage as drivers. what is the real problem now? |
| 16:14.44 | dondelelcaro | nse: crashing how? |
| 16:15.33 | elirips | hello. if i would like to receive my local mails (those i fetch with 'mail' now) with kmail, what are the settings? account type is local mailbox, location is /var/mail/elirips or not? what is the 'locking method' i should use? |
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| 16:15.56 | dondelelcaro | elirips: if you're the only user, it doesn't matter. |
| 16:16.01 | nse | dondelelcaro: x windows not responding. gnome do not respond. neither the keyboard nor the mouse. completely stopped... and other things. |
| 16:16.06 | DanC | how does one attach files to a bug report? |
| 16:16.09 | dondelelcaro | nse: does numlock work? |
| 16:16.15 | nse | dondelelcaro: no |
| 16:16.15 | dondelelcaro | DanC: just send in a message with the file attached. |
| 16:16.32 | valdyn_ | nse: memtest86 hardly catches overheat caused problems. |
| 16:16.40 | DanC | dondelelcaro, all the version info generated by reportbug isn't necessary? |
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| 16:16.52 | DanC | where do I send the message? |
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| 16:17.31 | nse | valdyn_: is there a possibility to be a crap in the motherboard. it is a motherboard for pentium IV a relatively new one.. ? |
| 16:17.32 | dondelelcaro | DanC: it is; however, it really is just an e-mail message. WHen you get the response, you can follow up with an attached file if there's not an option for it in reportbug |
| 16:17.32 | spiorf | Hi. I have installed xorg packages from debian.linux-systeme.com, and the xorg packages in unstable are conflicting, how can I upgrade the system to use debian packages? |
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| 16:17.49 | elirips | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 16:17.49 | nospam | was snadge banned just because of his alcohol intoxication level? i dont think thats fair... |
| 16:17.54 | dondelelcaro | nse: well, then you've either got a kernel bug, or a video driver bug |
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| 16:18.00 | Hiruko | lol |
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| 16:18.06 | nse | dondelelcaro: a hardware bug? |
| 16:18.11 | EdibleText | iezahel, if so then you may be able to run 'alsaconf'; it will kill all processes using sound |
| 16:18.19 | dondelelcaro | nse: possible too, but those are a pain to diagnose. |
| 16:18.21 | valdyn_ | nse: if the error doesn't show in memtest86 and its also not a kernel bug then its probably either overheat or a broken psu. |
| 16:18.23 | DanC | following up is the best option I have found... so it means using reportbug, waiting for an ack, and then attaching the files. pretty tedious. |
| 16:18.24 | nvz | spiorf: how about removing the conflicting pacckages first |
| 16:18.42 | EdibleText | oops strick tht from the reord |
| 16:18.51 | valdyn_ | nse: memtest86 does neither really put load on the psu nor on the cpu itself. |
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| 16:18.53 | EdibleText | striike even |
| 16:18.53 | nse | valdyn_: a broken psu? never heard about. what do you mean? |
| 16:18.56 | iezahel | EdibleText i do it now, and see if it will work |
| 16:19.02 | dondelelcaro | DanC: well, the alternative is to take the message that reportbug would generate, and send it using your normal MUA |
| 16:19.06 | valdyn_ | nse: psu = power supply unit |
| 16:19.13 | spiorf | nvz, but if I remove old xorg packages gnome and other programs are removed too |
| 16:19.17 | dondelelcaro | DanC: I personally don't ever bother to use report bug |
| 16:19.19 | greycat | elirips: Debian's MUA policy states that the MUA must use "a NFS-safe way" of locking. |
| 16:19.28 | valdyn_ | !psu |
| 16:19.28 | dpkg | [psu] Power Supply Unit, or Penn State University. |
| 16:19.34 | greycat | elirips: so if you use any of the methods listed in the debian-policy guide, you should be safe |
| 16:19.39 | nvz | spiorf: good point. see now, why using unofficial packages is a bad idea? |
| 16:19.41 | DanC | dondelelcaro, reportbug has an M option for firing up a mailer, but evolution wasn't one of the choices. |
| 16:19.45 | DanC | what do you actually do, dondelelcaro ? |
| 16:19.46 | greycat | s/a NFS/an NFS/ |
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| 16:19.54 | spiorf | nvz, yes |
| 16:19.58 | iezahel | EdibleText it didn't stop the sound |
| 16:19.59 | spiorf | :) |
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| 16:20.08 | nse | valdyn_: is there a way to check temperatures and power supply to test thay stuff to eliminate this possibility? |
| 16:20.24 | FieldySnuts | heh i got a human at SBC, who transferred me to another department, whose lines were all busy and the system dropped my call. fucktards </rant> |
| 16:20.27 | valdyn_ | nse: not easily. |
| 16:20.27 | spiorf | in fact it is the only unofficial package i ever used |
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| 16:20.37 | nse | valdyn_: so what i'm supposed to do? |
| 16:20.47 | rbochan | nse: look at the back of the machine to see if the psu fan is turning |
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| 16:21.05 | nse | rbochan: yes it is |
| 16:21.08 | rbochan | dust and gunk can sieze up the fans |
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| 16:21.11 | valdyn_ | nse: overheat problems are probably caused by badly spread heat paste, which cannot be shown properly by the temperature sensor. |
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| 16:21.27 | EdibleText | iezahel, scrutinize the output of 'pstree -alp' perhaps your eye will catch something that our collective brains cannot |
| 16:21.28 | valdyn_ | nse: you can exchange components ( if you can ), that is it, afaik. |
| 16:21.31 | nvz | spiorf: I'm out of ideas. Hopefully you see also why thats not our problem. if you be more specific about how its "conflicting" someone might have some idea that could work |
| 16:21.33 | FieldySnuts | dried out paste will also do that |
| 16:21.44 | spiorf | nvz, there are unresolved dependencies in xorg packages in unstable |
| 16:21.44 | FieldySnuts | in short if you don't take care of the system, you'll pay for it later |
| 16:21.49 | nse | valdyn_: the case is 10 cm far away from the wall. cool? |
| 16:21.51 | test345 | join gentoo |
| 16:22.02 | elirips | greycat: if i do it the "unsafe" way, what can happen to me? |
| 16:22.14 | valdyn_ | nse: ah you could simply open the case completely, that *might* help with heat dissipation |
| 16:22.21 | nvz | spiorf: that doesnt sound like a conflict that sounds like a uninstallable package that needs to be checked with the bts |
| 16:22.27 | greycat | elirips: I despise mbox format to begin with. |
| 16:22.33 | FieldySnuts | no. if you open the case, there will be no air flow path through the system. you will probably make it worse. |
| 16:22.41 | nse | valdyn_: do you think it is really a temperature problem? |
| 16:22.41 | valdyn_ | nse: i cant tell you that, its your system with "unique" heat properties. |
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| 16:23.02 | valdyn_ | nse: no, i listed 2 probabilities. |
| 16:23.06 | spiorf | nvz, ok thanks |
| 16:23.06 | EdibleText | valdyn_, yeah that is contrary to duct theory ;) |
| 16:23.14 | FieldySnuts | just tear apart the system, replace any bad fans, clean it out, take all the cards out, clean everything. blow out the PSU, make sure that fan is going. if you are skilled (and safe) enough, take the PSU apart and clean it. don't do that if you don't know what you're doing |
| 16:23.25 | FieldySnuts | i live in a dirty area and have to do that every 3 months minimum |
| 16:23.45 | Blue9 | bye all |
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| 16:23.59 | nse | valdyn_: i do'nt think so.. i can reinstall the whole system. i'll buy a new video card and a new HD. i can tar up all my personal folder and do a reinstallation. if it is software problem thing will get right, right? |
| 16:24.28 | valdyn_ | nse: random crashes are unlikely a software problem. |
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| 16:24.49 | rbochan | nse: basically, you can remove one component from the machine at a time.. until you're down to vid+mobo |
| 16:24.50 | nse | dondelelcaro: i think it is possibly a video card bug. so what to do. that's my lspci VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] i tried vesa, s3, savage. |
| 16:24.51 | antgel | i'm just upgrading X in unstable. in aptitude, i've selected the xserver-xorg package to install, but there is a can of worms. |
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| 16:25.11 | valdyn_ | nse: but maybe its not really random, my siimage driver used to freeze my system eventually |
| 16:25.31 | sandman | What does it mean when diff won't display the literal differences between files line-by-line, but instead just says that they differ |
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| 16:25.34 | nse | valdyn_: oh god. so what to do? |
| 16:25.36 | xoz | nse: does this occur if you are not running X? |
| 16:25.38 | iezahel | EdibleText (gmplayer,15501) which I cannot kill and think it makes the sound |
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| 16:25.43 | asg | sandman: they have binary info in them? |
| 16:25.48 | dondelelcaro | sandman: it thinks the files are binary |
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| 16:25.57 | FieldySnuts | kill -9 15501 |
| 16:25.59 | nse | xoz: i don't know yet. people told me to do that, but... |
| 16:26.03 | antgel | libglu1-mesa is needed as 6 packages depend on it, but installing it breaks libglu1-xorg, but libglu1-xorg is a dependency of x-window-system-core. |
| 16:26.03 | sandman | dondelelcaro: That is silly. The files I'm comparing and definately only text |
| 16:26.07 | valdyn_ | nse: you need to experiment till you find the error, easy things first. |
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| 16:26.14 | antgel | shall i wait a day or two or did i miss something? |
| 16:26.32 | iezahel | EdibleText it just cannot bw kill it continue to stay there ??? |
| 16:26.37 | EdibleText | iezahel, incase you missed it 12:19 < FieldySnuts> kill -9 15501 |
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| 16:26.47 | asg | sandman: does 'diff -a foo bar' produce the same output? |
| 16:26.49 | iezahel | EdibleText saw it |
| 16:26.52 | EdibleText | ok |
| 16:27.01 | greycat | antgel: you don't need x-window-system-core. it's just a metapackage. |
| 16:27.02 | FieldySnuts | or kill it's parent (mind what you kill though) |
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| 16:27.08 | xoz | nse: isolate whether X is involved or not. try running it without X... |
| 16:27.08 | valdyn_ | nse: for example: remove all non-essential hardware = easy |
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| 16:27.29 | valdyn_ | nse: trying to crash your system when X isnt running = easier ) |
| 16:27.51 | reco | hi there. i want to update squid to 2.5.9-10 which is stable (http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/squid) when i apt-update, apt-upgrade its not upgrading squid, even when i apt-install squid it says its the most recent one, but i am sure 2.5.9-9 is installed. help :) THANX |
| 16:27.54 | EdibleText | iezahel, does the output of pstree -alp show other processes related to it? a |
| 16:27.59 | antgel | greycat: good point. i've just done an update and the problem seems to have gone but will unmark all packages and try again to see |
| 16:28.11 | valdyn_ | !info squid stable |
| 16:28.12 | iezahel | EdibleText looking now |
| 16:28.16 | valdyn_ | reco: dpkg -l squid |
| 16:28.16 | dpkg | squid: (Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.9-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 749 kB, Installed size: 2024 kB |
| 16:28.19 | asg | reco: do you have security sources in your sources.list |
| 16:28.22 | sandman | asg: No |
| 16:28.42 | sandman | asg: Well, I guess perhaps diff finds them to be so completely different that it's not even worth displaying :) |
| 16:28.51 | ShaiW | hmphh... how do I configure my soundcard? |
| 16:28.53 | asg | sandman: so, diff -a didn't help any? |
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| 16:28.58 | asg | ShaiW: /msg dpkg audio |
| 16:29.01 | ircdevil | how to get xmms to play wma files? |
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| 16:29.09 | asg | ircdevil: use mplayer |
| 16:29.23 | sandman | asg: It did |
| 16:29.28 | sandman | asg: It works |
| 16:29.32 | ircdevil | asg: well, i would like xmms to play these files |
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| 16:29.40 | nvz | ircdevil: you would need w32codecs from marillat to play wma.. and I dont think xmms would use those codecs but who knows |
| 16:29.44 | asg | sandman: well, even a simple 'é' will cause it to be thought of as binary. |
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| 16:29.52 | nse | valdyn_: ok. i'll test those things now. one day running withou x is enough? |
| 16:30.04 | iezahel | EdibleText It has no parent |
| 16:30.07 | ShaiW | modconf: command not found |
| 16:30.17 | nvz | ircdevil: most video players, totem, xine, mplayer..etc will use the codecs.. xmms has a different codec format I think |
| 16:30.29 | iezahel | EdibleText no processes related to it, it is alone |
| 16:30.31 | Nutxaria | i have a problem with my graphic card is an intel 815 , i have just install debian am a nuew user , i can't get my resolution right it does not have the one i use , for know it is using intel 810 ... |
| 16:30.34 | reco | valdyn_: IT SHOWS ME 2.5.9-10 version |
| 16:30.35 | asg | ircdevil: I don't know of an xmms plugin to do it. |
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| 16:30.53 | EdibleText | iezahel, weird does 'top' show any zombies? |
| 16:31.25 | ShaiW | well, dpkg wasn't very usefil |
| 16:31.31 | ircdevil | dang |
| 16:31.31 | iezahel | EdibleText zombies ? |
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| 16:31.38 | ShaiW | modconf does'nt exist, and I'm already in the audio group |
| 16:31.43 | EdibleText | !zombie |
| 16:31.44 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 16:31.44 | bnoji | Anyone familiar with pam_ldap ? |
| 16:31.44 | asg | Nutxaria: try using the 'vesa' driver |
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| 16:31.58 | antgel | bnoji: very vaguely |
| 16:32.07 | Nutxaria | how can i chage it ? |
| 16:32.21 | reco | asg: yes i have: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 16:32.25 | asg | Nutxaria: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:32.34 | bnoji | antgel: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=test_userclear,ou=Users,dc=simplyresource,dc=com" (Invalid credentials) |
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| 16:32.52 | bnoji | Should pam_ldap try to bind as that user, or the admin? |
| 16:32.53 | iezahel | EdibleText do not see zombies |
| 16:33.00 | antgel | bnoji: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 16:33.05 | iezahel | EdibleText thnk, i have to go |
| 16:33.13 | bnoji | antgel: posix/Windows accounts in LDAP |
| 16:33.19 | bnoji | I'm trying to login over SSH. |
| 16:33.21 | EdibleText | iezahel, do you own this gmplayer? have you tries to kill as root? |
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| 16:33.32 | bnoji | PAM hands off to ldap fine, but tries to bind as the user logging in... |
| 16:33.35 | ShaiW | is there anything else I could try to do to get the sound to work? I really tried googling and every other thing I know |
| 16:33.41 | antgel | bnoji: think it should bind as ldap admin |
| 16:33.46 | bnoji | Which should work...there's not real ACL on it |
| 16:33.51 | Nutxaria | asg: is asking for amaunt of memory to use ? |
| 16:33.56 | antgel | bnoji: take that with a pinch of salt. try #ldap |
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| 16:34.00 | bnoji | antgel: It should only need to bind as admin when its modifying. |
| 16:34.13 | Selecter | Hello. I need help. I backed up / into backup.tar.gz of debian (installed on pentium4). Now I untar it on AMD sempron 2200+ system and get errors like "illegal instruction" about libc. What are other specific debs to reinstall on AMD system? |
| 16:34.16 | asg | Nutxaria: just accept the default; tweak accordingly afterwards. Our cards probably differ but that should get you started. |
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| 16:34.55 | antgel | bnoji: default is to bind anonymously |
| 16:35.07 | asg | reco: does 'apt-cache policy squid' show 2.5.9-9 to be installed? |
| 16:35.27 | MrKeuner | hi, after removing libtrash I start having problem such as: ping@orca:~$ ls |
| 16:35.27 | MrKeuner | ls: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libtrash/libtrash.so.2.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Why is this? ldconfig runs without any problems reported. |
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| 16:35.59 | asg | MrKeuner: remove an LD_PRELOAD* variables that might be set |
| 16:36.04 | reco | asg: wird no it shows 2.5.9-10 |
| 16:36.18 | reco | asg: hold on a sec let me check something |
| 16:36.23 | asg | reco: then it was mysteriously upgraded by debian gnomes |
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| 16:36.31 | mtb_ | Hello everibody, i'm having great troubles setting up my printers ( for now i'm trying with an Epson C42 ). I have just changed hd due to hw failure, i've installad sarge and the printer behaviour is strange: sometimes it doesn't print at all, sometimes ( for example with the GIMP ) it prints the postscript text, other times ( e.g. if i choose to print the cups test page ) it just works. Any ideas? |
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| 16:36.40 | Nutxaria | asg: do i have to restat the conputer ? |
| 16:36.44 | Nutxaria | to take efect |
| 16:36.54 | Schiz0 | restart? |
| 16:36.56 | Schiz0 | linux? |
| 16:36.58 | Schiz0 | pfft. |
| 16:37.03 | asg | Nutxaria: no, just type 'startx' or, if you use a *dm, /etc/init.d/{gdm,kdm,xdm,wdm} |
| 16:37.10 | Nutxaria | well am sorry but am knew at debian |
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| 16:37.18 | asg | Nutxaria: no, just type 'startx' or, if you use a *dm, /etc/init.d/{gdm,kdm,xdm,wdm} restart (rather) |
| 16:37.35 | Vamped | does anyone know how to fix low screen resolutions so they can be higher? |
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| 16:37.54 | shingouz | !tell Vamped about drxx |
| 16:38.04 | nvz | Vamped: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:38.17 | Vamped | ive tried that |
| 16:38.19 | nvz | Vamped: enter your monitor settings correctly and choose higher resolutions |
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| 16:38.32 | nvz | Vamped: choose "Advanced" enter in the sync ranges |
| 16:38.41 | Vamped | i entered my synv ranges |
| 16:38.47 | MrKeuner | asg/ thanks |
| 16:38.49 | Vamped | i disbaled the screen resolution im at now too |
| 16:38.58 | asg | MrKeuner: you're welcome |
| 16:38.58 | nvz | what resolution are you getting? |
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| 16:39.05 | Vamped | 640x480 |
| 16:39.06 | nvz | Vamped: what monitor do you have? |
| 16:39.09 | Vamped | the lowest |
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| 16:39.22 | Vamped | E153Fp |
| 16:39.28 | Vamped | it can use 1024x768 |
| 16:39.43 | nvz | What brand? |
| 16:39.46 | Vamped | dell |
| 16:39.51 | Vamped | i know my sync ranges |
| 16:39.57 | Vamped | 30-63 and 56-76 |
| 16:40.31 | possie | if a nic doesn't get any interrupts /proc/interrupts what can be the cause of this? |
| 16:40.38 | antgel | ok, here's the rub. when i tell it to install xserver-xorg, it complaing that x11-common is broken as it conflicts with xfree86-common < 6.8.0. But it wants to install xfree86-common 6.8.2 anyway, so why is it complaining? |
| 16:40.43 | dondelelcaro | Vamped: use the paster bot to paste your XF86Config-4 |
| 16:40.58 | Vamped | whats the paster bot |
| 16:40.59 | possie | can i blame IO-APIC-edge for this? |
| 16:41.01 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 16:41.01 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:41.12 | dondelelcaro | antgel: because it's not being installed in the same run. |
| 16:41.16 | RainbowW | i'm lost. previously-working server at 10.100.1.7. ifconfig shows that eth0 is still configured correctly, but route hangs after showing the localhost route, and there's no connectivity to the rest of the network. (pings to 10.100.1.7 work; other nodes in that network fail.) i've shut down and disabled ipsec, which caused this once before. i've killed openvpn. i don't understand what else could be causing this and would appr |
| 16:41.18 | ShaiW | how do I compile the sound card support as a module? |
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| 16:41.27 | antgel | dondelelcaro: so can i proceed? |
| 16:42.01 | EdibleText | Vamped, you may also want to look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 16:42.07 | dondelelcaro | antgel: you can proceed by making sure you are installing xfree86-common in the same run. |
| 16:42.22 | concept10 | What does clamav do with windows infected files? Anyone know where the log is? |
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| 16:42.33 | paster | "Vamped" at 69.248.130.47 pasted "My XF86Config-4 file" (121 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/354 |
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| 16:42.54 | sandman | Can ccache files be corrupted? |
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| 16:43.06 | FieldySnuts | sandman: they're just files, so sure |
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| 16:43.14 | nse | valdyn_: I'm almost sure it is a X problem. I opened some windows now and it crashed as usual, all the time i run many apps it do that. |
| 16:43.31 | dondelelcaro | Vamped: you have resolutions specified in your config file. X will default to those first. |
| 16:43.36 | Yokalosh | what is the best/recommended firewall for sarge? |
| 16:43.48 | FieldySnuts | uh iptables? |
| 16:43.58 | possie | how can i disable ioapic ? pci=noapic at the boot prompt? |
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| 16:44.04 | nse | dondelelcaro: I'm almost sure it is a X problem. what to do? |
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| 16:44.27 | dondelelcaro | Vamped: oh, you *want* to run 1024x768... the output of the log will be useful too, since it's discarding 1024x768 if it won't use it. |
| 16:45.36 | xerophyte | my server ssh session closed by after while saying connection reset by peer is there anyway i can configure to keep the connection for while say around 1 or 2 hours because its really annoying to login again and again |
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| 16:45.50 | FieldySnuts | edit sshd_config for keepalives |
| 16:46.28 | Vamped | what should i find in my xfree86.0.log file? |
| 16:46.40 | xerophyte | FieldySnuts, i have the KeepAlive yes |
| 16:46.42 | rbochan | Vamped: grep for EE |
| 16:46.43 | FieldySnuts | geez, just look already, we can't hand hold you |
| 16:46.43 | reco | asg: the error page still shows (squid/2.5.STABLE9) check it out http://www.buero-newyork.com/ |
| 16:46.51 | xerophyte | FieldySnuts, still have i get logout |
| 16:46.52 | FieldySnuts | xerophyte: got me then, it's some other networking issue |
| 16:46.53 | cahoot | possie: got the kernel source? |
| 16:47.18 | xerophyte | FieldySnuts, its not network issue ssh works fine its just logout if i am not active :( |
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| 16:47.42 | dondelelcaro | Vamped: you should see the modelines being discarded |
| 16:47.43 | raf256 | hi |
| 16:47.56 | possie | cahoot: yes |
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| 16:48.12 | cahoot | possie: if you have - look at Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 16:48.20 | raf256 | I got a fresh debian box. I cp /mnt/old-debian-box/var/cache/apt into new /var... but still apt-get downloads everytyhing from net... why? |
| 16:48.21 | Vamped | there are no (EE) in my log file |
| 16:48.45 | possie | cahoot: okee i'll do that |
| 16:48.46 | reco | asg: and when i run squid -v from the command line i do get: Squid Cache: Version 2.5.STABLE9 |
| 16:48.57 | ShaiW | how do I list installed modules? |
| 16:48.58 | EdibleText | Vamped, paste it |
| 16:48.59 | reco | asg: should be Squid Cache: Version 2.5.STABLE10 no? |
| 16:49.05 | rbochan | <dondelelcaro> Vamped: you should see the modelines being discarded |
| 16:49.10 | ralf | kismet is broken in sid? |
| 16:49.14 | raf256 | any idea? |
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| 16:49.33 | justin | raf256: you coppied it wrong? |
| 16:49.33 | paster | "Vamped" at 69.248.130.47 pasted "My xfree86.0.log file" (1485 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/355 |
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| 16:50.25 | raf256 | justin: ook if I copy as cp -ar and I copy /etc/apt* then it MUST work? |
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| 16:50.37 | possie | cahoot: nice! thanks looks verry intrestting, btw how do i know if i have a local apic? |
| 16:50.41 | MrKeuner | "export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libtrash/libtrash.so" I put this in .bashrc when I use libtrash. However, realplayer is having a problem when this line exists there. Is realplayer the problem? or should I put that line in some file else? or what? |
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| 16:50.55 | cahoot | possie: dmesg should tell |
| 16:51.03 | EdibleText | (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name) |
| 16:51.08 | iezahel | EdibleText I am here again, u r here ? I tried as root but didn't help too |
| 16:51.10 | justin | raf256: not if you do it wrong |
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| 16:51.20 | justin | raf256: you'll end up with /var/cache/apt/apt/archives or something |
| 16:51.25 | raf256 | justin: what do you mean - what can be donw wrong? |
| 16:51.33 | raf256 | justin: ok I will check it |
| 16:51.39 | quitte_ | for some weird reason sarge is loading vesafb ere. how can i stop the initrd from doing that? |
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| 16:52.01 | iezahel | EdibleText so I cannnot kill this process with kill, is there another way ? |
| 16:52.10 | raf256 | can I dump a list of ALL installed packages? in format suitable to pass to apt-get |
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| 16:52.28 | dondelelcaro | Vamped: try specifing "54 (1024x768)"; or "54" |
| 16:52.45 | frapet | #join decimo |
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| 16:52.56 | Vamped | in my config file? |
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| 16:53.14 | possie | cahoot: cause i have a amd64 cpu, and i only read about intel cpu's in the doc's |
| 16:53.18 | EdibleText | iezahel, restart X perhaps.. Im grasping |
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| 16:53.32 | quitte_ | i even tried changing the initrd - but all those hardlinks are driving me crazy. |
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| 16:53.40 | simonrvn | don't grasp too hard, you'll hurt someone |
| 16:53.41 | cahoot | possie: beyond my knowledge |
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| 16:54.04 | EdibleText | !grasp simonrvn |
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| 16:54.22 | iezahel | EdibleText only restart of the PC help, but I do not want to do this every time my sound freezes this way |
| 16:54.26 | EdibleText | i got nothing |
| 16:54.42 | ShaiW | well, I can't access the alsa mixer |
| 16:54.59 | EdibleText | iezahel, well take small steps. restart X. |
| 16:55.02 | simonrvn | could try modprobe -r driver and re-inserting it |
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| 16:55.36 | RainbowW | i'm lost. previously-working server at 10.100.1.7. ifconfig says eth0 is configured ok, but route hangs, and i get an SIOCART error trying to add a new default route, and i can't talk to the rest of the network. i've shut down and disabled ipsec, which caused this once before. i've killed openvpn. i don't understand what else could be causing this and would appreciate a pointer. |
| 16:55.39 | EdibleText | iezahel, did you load the correct version of mplayer.. I always use the no-gui |
| 16:55.40 | iezahel | EdibleText this is not the first time I have this problem and I have tried to restart X but didin't help |
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| 16:55.48 | EdibleText | iezahel, ok |
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| 16:55.57 | ShaiW | how do I access the alsamixer? |
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| 16:55.58 | iezahel | EdibleText this time is mplayer, before was xmms |
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| 16:56.03 | ShaiW | "aumix" does'nt work |
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| 16:56.39 | EdibleText | iezahel, hmm and this is consistant behavior with any sound app? |
| 16:56.45 | dondelelcaro | ShaiW: install alsamixer and run it. |
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| 16:57.07 | iezahel | EdibleText well not all the time, but when sometime the app crash and the sound just freeze |
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| 16:57.16 | EdibleText | iezahel, perhaps your driver is wrong or the hw is borked; |
| 16:57.17 | Akbar | say if I mounted a directory with --bind like: "mount --bind /home/blah/whatever /home/blah2/whatever" how would I edit that in fstab? |
| 16:57.22 | asg | reco: ah, no. The version is still STABLE9, they just backported the fix. Sarge hardly ever gets new versions, only backported security fixes. |
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| 16:57.36 | simonrvn | Akbar: add 'bind', like any other option |
| 16:58.02 | iezahel | EdibleText I have not installed additional drivers, I am with debian default |
| 16:58.14 | Lanz | Hey guys, sorry to bug you all again today, but my network isn't working for some reason... |
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| 16:58.42 | Lanz | My laptop hooks into my desktop with a crossover cable and the desktop acts as a firewall and Internet gateway. |
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| 16:59.06 | Lanz | This worked yesterday, so I'm trying to figure out what went wrong. |
| 16:59.09 | reco | asg: thanx |
| 16:59.20 | EdibleText | iezahel, I dont understand. I am not even sure which sound subsystem you are using, oss or alsa. |
| 16:59.22 | iezahel | EdibleText but now I am interested why this gmplayer process cannot be killed |
| 16:59.28 | Lanz | The laptop's IP is 192.168.0.2 and the desktop's is 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:59.35 | raf256 | damn@ |
| 16:59.56 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.05 | raf256 | it doesnt work: I cp -ar the /var/cache/apt and /etc/apt but still apt-get downloads from itnernet :[ |
| 17:00.05 | iezahel | EdibleText I thought it was oss |
| 17:00.09 | asg | reco: it's a little confusing that debian's -10 is the same as upstream's STABLEX version. |
| 17:00.11 | ShaiW | hmmphh... apt-get only includes alsa modules for kernel 2.4, are they already installed in the 2.6? |
| 17:00.13 | raf256 | ...what Im doing wrong? |
| 17:00.15 | Lanz | Now, both computers say Destination Host Unreachable when I ping them. |
| 17:00.23 | iezahel | EdibleText is there a way to understand that |
| 17:00.35 | Akbar | that doesn't work mount is saying that it can't find it in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 17:00.50 | Akbar | mmm.. |
| 17:01.01 | EdibleText | iezahel, yeah I think all the alsa modules begin with "snd" |
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| 17:01.31 | mtb_ | I have a little problem: i obtain ugly fonts with gtk1.2 and wxwindows programs, what can it be? |
| 17:01.34 | iezahel | EdibleText for e.g. xmms give me only to use oss |
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| 17:01.47 | iezahel | EdibleText but all my modules really starts with snd |
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| 17:02.11 | raf256 | ok screw it, |
| 17:02.21 | asg | mtb_: gtk1.2 doesn't support antialiasing (without some hackage) iirc |
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| 17:02.27 | Vamped | what package do i need to install alsa |
| 17:02.37 | RichiH | Vamped: alsa |
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| 17:02.55 | gilber_ | hello friends |
| 17:03.01 | gilber_ | i wanna help |
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| 17:03.17 | gilber_ | im bought an usb stick |
| 17:03.17 | hruske | hey raf256, how's your grub? :P |
| 17:03.21 | EdibleText | does alsaconf disply Following card(s) are found on your system: then list a card? |
| 17:03.29 | gilber_ | and how i can configure this |
| 17:03.30 | asg | gilber_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 17:03.36 | gilber_ | what moduless i need |
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| 17:03.56 | iezahel | EdibleText yeah |
| 17:03.58 | sdschulze | gilber_: usb_storage; but hotplug also rules |
| 17:04.00 | hruske | raf256. why on earth would you want to copy /var/cache/apt to etc??? |
| 17:04.08 | gilber_ | ok i will try |
| 17:04.47 | mtb_ | Vamped, i use alsa-base, alsa-headers, alsa-oss, alsa-utils and alsamixergui, then alsaconf |
| 17:05.08 | raf256 | hruske: to /etc/apt ofcourse |
| 17:05.21 | raf256 | how in irssi can I scrollup |
| 17:05.29 | asg | raf256: PGUP |
| 17:05.36 | raf256 | heh |
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| 17:06.13 | raf256 | !nickometer sdfdsfdsf |
| 17:06.13 | dpkg | 'sdfdsfdsf' is 0.000% lame, raf256 |
| 17:06.32 | sdfdsfdsf | quem pode me ajduar |
| 17:06.46 | asg | !br |
| 17:06.46 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:06.48 | sdfdsfdsf | sou leigo |
| 17:06.48 | simonrvn | !nickmeter raf256 |
| 17:06.49 | dpkg | raf256 is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 17:06.54 | elirips | hello. i have here an old sony vaio with debian sarge. if i select /dev/psaux in xfree86 i can use the touchpad, if i use /dev/input/mice i can use an external usb-mouse. is there any way that xfree86 chooses itself what to use? |
| 17:07.00 | sdfdsfdsf | sorry |
| 17:07.11 | EdibleText | heh thats new |
| 17:07.17 | simonrvn | not really |
| 17:07.37 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo cmd: nickmeter (.*?) |
| 17:07.37 | dpkg | CMD: nickmeter (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d511328b.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Mon Oct 7 23:16:19 2002 (1009 days); it has been requested 195 times, last by d_n_c at Tue Aug 12 12:27:32 2003. |
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| 17:07.59 | EdibleText | the 100% .. I havnt seen it |
| 17:08.11 | asg | EdibleText: it's different factoid altogether |
| 17:08.13 | dondelelcaro | hrm... the requested bit is busted again |
| 17:08.24 | EdibleText | asg, i figured |
| 17:08.33 | EdibleText | specific to a lucky few |
| 17:08.34 | RainbowW | i guess i'm going to go beat myself in the face with a brick. |
| 17:08.44 | Vamped | have fun rainboww |
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| 17:08.51 | xoz | elirips: you can have both. make one as the corepointer |
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| 17:09.40 | Lanz | Oh nevermind guys I got it to work ^_^ |
| 17:09.40 | Lanz | Somehow eth1 renamed itself to eth2 lol. |
| 17:09.45 | elirips | xoz: thanks. |
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| 17:10.10 | dondelelcaro | time to learn about and use nameif |
| 17:10.16 | rbochan | heh |
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| 17:11.45 | Vamped | is there even a way for me to fix my low screen resolution, ive tried probably everything |
| 17:13.12 | masoft | Vamped, what do you want to do ? |
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| 17:13.33 | masoft | Vamped, for ex. change 600x800 to 1024x768 ? |
| 17:13.42 | ducky | I'm used to Red Hat, where is /etc/sysconfig??? :) |
| 17:13.55 | drac | ducky: What's that? |
| 17:13.56 | azeem | ducky: it is not available |
| 17:14.00 | simonrvn | there isn't any |
| 17:14.03 | rbochan | !redhatsmite ducky |
| 17:14.05 | masoft | dub, it's there !!! |
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| 17:14.09 | Vamped | masoft from 640x480 to 1024x768 |
| 17:14.12 | Daknet | How can I edit grub menu.lst to increase the screen res on boot time? |
| 17:14.19 | simonrvn | with an editor |
| 17:14.26 | masoft | Vamped, try it : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:14.27 | rbochan | <rim shot> |
| 17:14.29 | Daknet | ah! ah! |
| 17:14.31 | ducky | so where should I save this to? iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 17:14.34 | Vamped | i tried that |
| 17:14.42 | masoft | ducky, it's not possible ! |
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| 17:14.46 | Daknet | which lines have I to add? |
| 17:14.54 | Vamped | im lucky that i even have this one usually i get erros like no usable screen resolution found |
| 17:15.09 | masoft | ducky, you must save it somewhere and write iptables-restore in /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 17:15.20 | Laibsch | Hi, looking for info on how to make a debian kpatch out of a standard, non-debianized kernel patch. I read the info available for dh_installkpatch but it is missing instructions on how to create all files except for $patchname.kpatch. maint-guide or google were not helpful either. How come this is so poorly documented or am I looking in the wrong places? |
| 17:15.22 | Hiruko | how do i use enlightenement in debian? |
| 17:15.25 | rbochan | Daknet: you'll have to figure out what res to use, then add it to the boot line |
| 17:15.28 | Hiruko | i got all the required packages. |
| 17:15.35 | masoft | Vamped, not worked ?! |
| 17:15.36 | ducky | masoft: duh, but where is the location that debian looks for the config for iptables? |
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| 17:15.49 | rbochan | Daknet: example... vga=0x317 |
| 17:15.51 | Daknet | I have a 1280x800 screen. |
| 17:15.58 | Vamped | ive done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 so many times |
| 17:16.09 | Vamped | and never does ti work |
| 17:16.15 | masoft | ducky, Debian don't try to load iptables tables at first !!! |
| 17:16.19 | guevolt | Hi.. How i look if a domain has been registered in a dns server? the domain is: xxx.com and the server that need be register is: X.X.X.X |
| 17:16.20 | drac | Vamped: and you entered correct horizontal and vertical values from your monitors manual? |
| 17:16.21 | Vamped | usually it doesnt even let startx work |
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| 17:16.27 | masoft | ducky, do it manually |
| 17:16.35 | zzzzzzzzzzz | hi |
| 17:16.37 | ducky | masoft: why? |
| 17:16.38 | masoft | Vamped, do you have sshd ? |
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| 17:16.40 | Vamped | yea 30-63 and 56-76 are what i enetered and they are correct |
| 17:16.43 | asg | guevolt: whois |
| 17:16.45 | Vamped | whats sshd? |
| 17:16.50 | masoft | ducky, because not needed ! |
| 17:16.57 | asg | guevolt: you can also 'dig' it (install dnsutils) |
| 17:16.58 | masoft | Vamped, SSH Daemon |
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| 17:17.02 | mtb_ | Vamped, i have done dpkg-re and so on a lot of times, but actually it has never changed the XF86Config-4 . Try xf86cfg -textmode. |
| 17:17.03 | Schiz0 | Vamped- SSH server. |
| 17:17.28 | Vamped | mtb you probably edited it yourself but dpkg does change it |
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| 17:17.31 | Daknet | something like: "kopt=vga=0x317" ?? |
| 17:17.40 | justin | oops |
| 17:17.44 | ducky | masoft: Why isn't it a good idea to have a iptables config file so that you don't look your iptables config if you need to reboot the server? |
| 17:17.46 | Vamped | cause when i booted it didnt work but then i ran it and got to this resolution |
| 17:17.59 | ducky | s/look/lose |
| 17:18.05 | Vamped | how do I know if i have ssh daemon running? |
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| 17:18.14 | distempr | Can I do an apt-get --reinstall ... on all packages on my system? |
| 17:18.16 | masoft | ducky, anybody need it, do it manually ! |
| 17:18.21 | paco | hi all |
| 17:18.21 | asg | distempr: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 17:18.29 | distempr | asg: thanks |
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| 17:18.38 | paco | i wanted to restart apache...can anyone tell me the command in sarge? |
| 17:18.44 | mtb_ | Vamped: on my system it has worked only the first time. |
| 17:18.46 | asg | paco: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 17:18.49 | masoft | Vamped, do it in terminal : /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 17:18.56 | masoft | Vamped, what do you see ? |
| 17:19.04 | Ungy | what is the file that I store mounts in again? |
| 17:19.10 | asg | Ungy: /etc/fstab |
| 17:19.13 | Vamped | not found |
| 17:19.21 | asg | Ungy: /etc/auto.* (if you use autofs also) |
| 17:19.30 | masoft | Vamped, so you don't have |
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| 17:19.33 | Schiz0 | Vamped- Do you have sshd installed? |
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| 17:19.40 | Vamped | appearently not |
| 17:20.15 | paco | asg, it says 'bash: apache: command not found' |
| 17:20.22 | crashbg | is this correct: for files in $( ls ) do unzip $files done |
| 17:20.28 | asg | paco: ls -l /etc/init.d/apache |
| 17:20.32 | Ungy | damn I set some smbfs mounts in fstab and they don;t work ;-( |
| 17:20.39 | caphuso | crashbg: for a in *.zip; do unzip "$a"; done |
| 17:21.10 | abrotman | crashbg: #bash |
| 17:21.17 | justin | crashbg: unzip "*.zip" |
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| 17:21.31 | Ungy | aha figured it out sweet |
| 17:21.34 | justin | this is what happens when people don't rtfm |
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| 17:21.49 | crashbg | Jussi, cant |
| 17:22.02 | paco | it says 'ls: /etc/init.d/apache: no such file or directory" |
| 17:22.10 | asg | paco: then you don't have apache installed |
| 17:22.15 | asg | paco: do you have apache2 installed? |
| 17:22.16 | abrotman | paco: apache2 maybe ? |
| 17:22.31 | crashbg | if i make those in script end then sh script.sh it works |
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| 17:23.21 | paco | yes |
| 17:23.30 | crashbg | but not from the cmd |
| 17:23.31 | asg | paco: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 17:23.58 | crashbg | abrotman, i am in bash shell |
| 17:25.09 | paco | asg, you are right....i forgot the 2!! |
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| 17:25.26 | Daknet | how can I edit the kop line in grub conf file to get a 1280x800 screen res on boot time? |
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| 17:25.57 | bnoji | Is the shuttle still at 60% chance of going up? |
| 17:26.00 | cmatheson | i'm using screen, but after all these days i still haven't figured out how to scroll up (like hitting shift+pgUP)... i've read the info page and it looks like this feature doesn't exist--is tha true? |
| 17:26.14 | asg | bnoji: 40% iirc |
| 17:26.24 | kbrooks | test |
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| 17:26.28 | kbrooks | gomally |
| 17:26.37 | kbrooks | finally* |
| 17:26.39 | abrotman | crashbg: i meant the channel ... /j #bash :) |
| 17:26.45 | kbrooks | i'm -q |
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| 17:27.17 | kbrooks | but yes, i'll admit, i excarbated an already worse problem |
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| 17:27.46 | shaiW | damnit. I've tried just about everything but I still can't get Debian to go to 1280*1024 |
| 17:27.52 | shaiW | no recommendations? at all? |
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| 17:28.10 | kbrooks | shaiW, tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:28.11 | crashbg | abrotman, i am more interested in this why i cant make it in the shell instead of creating first a script and then sarting it |
| 17:28.11 | kbrooks | ? |
| 17:28.14 | asg | cmatheson: C-a esc 'Enter copy/scrollback mode.' |
| 17:28.14 | shaiW | yep |
| 17:28.20 | cmatheson | asg: thanks a ton |
| 17:28.31 | rbochan | shaiW: tried decreasing color depth? |
| 17:28.32 | greycat | shaiW: you could try giving some details. |
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| 17:28.38 | paco | asg, and thankyou too from over here in d-town. |
| 17:28.40 | shaiW | what kinda details? |
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| 17:28.46 | greycat | rbochan: very few people have 1 MB VESA Local Bus cards these days. |
| 17:28.54 | asg | paco: you're welcome |
| 17:29.04 | shaiW | I usually only go to that res on 60 Hz |
| 17:29.19 | shaiW | but the selection tool won't give me any options other then 85 Hz |
| 17:29.29 | abrotman | crashbg: i realize that .. but you're doing bash programming aren't you ? |
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| 17:30.10 | greycat | shaiW: oh, little things like, for instance, you debian version, your video card, ... |
| 17:30.38 | shaiW | newest stable, nvidia (ELSA gladiac), 2.6.8-2-3.8.6 kernel image |
| 17:30.50 | abrotman | did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 17:31.18 | keenan | xserver-xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-0pre1v1 works fine, but with 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 the screen goes black when I switch vts |
| 17:31.23 | keenan | is this a known problem? |
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| 17:31.32 | shaiW | abrotman, where do I find them drivers for debian? |
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| 17:31.39 | kbrooks | I have a question |
| 17:31.41 | Xintruder | hey everyone |
| 17:31.44 | abrotman | !tell shaiW about nvidia one liner |
| 17:31.49 | kbrooks | Is it possible to remove su |
| 17:31.50 | asg | !tell kbrooks about ask |
| 17:31.59 | abrotman | kbrooks: why would you want to ? |
| 17:32.11 | kbrooks | abrotman, Because I like sudo. |
| 17:32.13 | Xintruder | how can i get debian to detect my sata HDD's, in installation it doesnt detect them. |
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| 17:32.27 | simonrvn | ...so don't use su... |
| 17:32.30 | dondelelcaro | Xintruder: which kernel are you using in the installation? have you tried linux26? |
| 17:32.34 | shaiW | abrotman, I didn't understand that one liner one bit :/ |
| 17:32.37 | FieldySnuts | chmod 0000 su? |
| 17:32.46 | simonrvn | you read my mind |
| 17:32.59 | kbrooks | no way, FieldySnuts |
| 17:33.09 | empty | kbrooks, removing su is a pretty bad idea |
| 17:33.10 | kbrooks | simonrvn, fine |
| 17:33.15 | greycat | root needs su to work to go *downward* in init.d scripts |
| 17:33.23 | greycat | so make it 755 :) |
| 17:33.27 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: a lot of things use su or expect it, so it's generally a good idea to keep around. Of course, if you're willing to live with any breakage, go right ahead. |
| 17:33.29 | FieldySnuts | or 700 |
| 17:33.40 | kbrooks | greycat, okay |
| 17:33.42 | asg | kbrooks: alias su="echo '13:33 < kbrooks> abrotman, Because I like sudo.'" |
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| 17:33.46 | simonrvn | su is used *A LOT* |
| 17:33.47 | empty | dondelelcaro, s/any breakage/a paperweight/ |
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| 17:33.52 | abrotman | asg: ok |
| 17:34.06 | simonrvn | su[xxxxx]: + pts/14 root:www-data |
| 17:34.08 | Xintruder | yes, it is 2.6.x |
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| 17:34.12 | kbrooks | asg: uh, no. I'm not doing that idiotic thing. |
| 17:34.16 | FieldySnuts | if you don't want users using it, just set its perms |
| 17:34.23 | abrotman | shaiW: fairly straightfoward |
| 17:34.32 | shaiW | I just copied it as is |
| 17:34.33 | empty | kbrooks, well you ask an idiotic question and you get an idiotic answer |
| 17:34.37 | asg | kbrooks: why, you can always unset it; it's just an alias |
| 17:34.44 | shaiW | but what is that "Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>"? |
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| 17:35.10 | abrotman | shaiW: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 17:35.12 | simonrvn | ohnoz, it got hardcoded into my shell rc file!!!!11!11 |
| 17:35.14 | abrotman | shaiW: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 17:35.22 | kbrooks | Heh. |
| 17:35.36 | empty | kbrooks, try being root and mving it to 'su.broken', then play with the system a bit and see how much fun you have |
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| 17:35.55 | FieldySnuts | there's an idea |
| 17:36.10 | kbrooks | no way |
| 17:36.14 | kbrooks | not gonna try |
| 17:36.15 | abrotman | ffs ... |
| 17:36.20 | abrotman | kbrooks: do you want su or not ? |
| 17:36.41 | Xintruder | dondelelcaro: thx man, i need to go, ill be back l8er, cya all. |
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| 17:36.51 | kbrooks | abrotman, Sorry. i'll follow greycat's suggestion. |
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| 17:37.03 | abrotman | kbrooks: ok |
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| 17:37.15 | kbrooks | i have to, anyway |
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| 17:37.31 | shaiW | so I should, like, add those addresses to my apt-get sources list? |
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| 17:38.02 | abrotman | shaiW: find your main deb line .. and append `non-free contrib` to it |
| 17:38.17 | abrotman | i guess you might need deb-src too .. dunno .. nvidia is a pain :) |
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| 17:38.24 | asg | hmmm, no launch today ... the coffee pot broke |
| 17:38.29 | shaiW | you are going a bit too fast for me |
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| 17:38.33 | abrotman | asg: canceled already ? |
| 17:38.43 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 17:38.51 | shaiW | in order to use the non-free, I should just add 'non-free contrib' with no URL? |
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| 17:38.59 | abrotman | shaiW: find your /etc/apt/sources.list .. find the main sarge line .. then appened `contrib non-free` to it |
| 17:39.05 | greycat | shaiW: no. at the end of the line. |
| 17:39.06 | abrotman | shaiW: /j #flood |
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| 17:39.46 | Ronin | parts fall off the damn thing and strike it on the way down and they'll still go but a silly sensor and they scrub? not even a used sensor |
| 17:39.47 | abrotman | does nvidia require the deb-src lines ? |
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| 17:39.59 | greycat | shaiW: man sources.list has examples |
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| 17:41.04 | rbochan | Ronin: what fell off was basically a dust cover |
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| 17:41.45 | wwarner | I recently updated to xorg on a laptop with i855GM chipset and now I cant get better than 640x480. I've installed the 855wrap and run it and it says it works. If I run Xorg -configure I get an error "Missing output drivers. Configuration failed." |
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| 17:41.52 | Ronin | man 1 of 4 sensors fail and they only need 2 to work? heh talk about erroring on the safe side :) |
| 17:42.10 | Ronin | well if its not going to launch today i may as well go do some work |
| 17:42.14 | Vampe1 | wwarner i get the same problem |
| 17:42.16 | rbochan | heh |
| 17:42.29 | asg | guevolt: yes, just ask in channel |
| 17:42.32 | wwarner | At least I'm not alone Vampe1 :) |
| 17:42.37 | greycat | wwarner: that's funny. the last laptop I did couldn't get past 1024x768 *until* I went to x.org -- then my custom 1280x800 lines from google worked great. |
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| 17:43.10 | Vampe1 | greycat is your video card made by intel |
| 17:43.19 | keenan | wwarner: I have an 845G and it's working great with alan hourihane's driver at www.fairlite.demon.co.uk |
| 17:43.26 | greycat | Vampe1: not "mine", but yes, that laptop had an i915 or something. |
| 17:43.39 | greycat | Vampe1: only worked with the vesa driver in xfree86 |
| 17:43.39 | wwarner | Actually I'm hooked to a monitor and was running 1600x1200 |
| 17:43.42 | jcole | "JDK 5.0 source code is available for researchers and others interested in exploring the details of the JDK." - http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ... i'm assuming the "Java Research License (JRL)" is not gpl compatible? |
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| 17:44.11 | rbochan | Vampe1 and wwarner: these are laptops? |
| 17:44.15 | abrotman | jcole: opensource.org might say ? |
| 17:44.17 | Vampe1 | ive tried vesa and it wont work |
| 17:44.19 | Vampe1 | or vga |
| 17:44.23 | keenan | haha, are ANY sun licenses gpl compatible? |
| 17:44.25 | wwarner | yes, but mine is connected to a monitor and not an lcd |
| 17:44.29 | Vampe1 | i use i810 but i can only get 640x480 |
| 17:44.36 | graffit | hi, i'm trying to setup a site-to-site routing using two sarge over internet. I installed openswan and configured it. Seeing the docs, it seems that openswan handles the routes automagically but nothing happens. After reading more docs, some other stuff like GRE, PPTP or L2TP seem needed. I can't find any howto on this. Anybody willing to help me ? |
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| 17:44.59 | rbochan | wwarner: have you looked for that model at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ ? |
| 17:45.31 | wwarner | hmm, not recently but I did install from there the xfree and everything was working at 1600x1200 |
| 17:45.32 | justin | graffit: uh no, gre pptp and l2tp are all completely different things |
| 17:45.39 | wwarner | I'll double check there now |
| 17:45.43 | rbochan | can't hurt |
| 17:46.22 | nse | Hello everybody. I want to buy me a new video card with 3d acceleration that have full support driver for linux. Which one (medium price) will be the best to me? (i don't want to have much troubles with x configuration) |
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| 17:47.06 | greycat | nse: if the nvidia one-liner does not scare you off, nvidia is probably the best choice in that realm |
| 17:47.27 | rbochan | nse: you can look here too... http://linuxcompatible.org/ |
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| 17:47.46 | graffit | as I understood, the routing between the two subnets must be working before openswan can take care of ipsec and all, what should I use to bring the two boxes at one hop of each other so I can just add a route between them ? on w2k3, i used L2TP but i read that it is not the most common solution on linux |
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| 17:47.59 | wwarner | all the reports on http://www.linux-laptop.net/ are pretty old and very prior to the new xorg packages |
| 17:48.05 | raf256 | ok... |
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| 17:48.22 | rbochan | wwarner: that's unfortunate :o/ |
| 17:48.23 | raf256 | why the FUCK damn apt-get keeps redownloading stuff he laready have in cache :[ ? |
| 17:48.30 | justin | graffit: you understand wrong |
| 17:48.32 | nse | greycat, rbochan: ok. i'll search for them |
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| 17:49.20 | raf256 | can I debug why apt-get dont use cache? |
| 17:49.38 | Vamped | i cant stand this damn 640x480 resolution |
| 17:49.43 | wwarner | rbochan: I know :( |
| 17:49.44 | asg | raf256: you said you copied your debs into /etc/apt, it won't use them from there. |
| 17:49.50 | Daknet | GRUB menu.lst. I'd like to add my screen resolution to 1280x800 in the boot phase...how have I to edit the kopt line? |
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| 17:50.26 | asg | Daknet: add a vga=foo line (read the kernel Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt for the value of foo you need) |
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| 17:50.46 | raf256 | asg: no, I said I comiled /var/cache/apt from one hdd to the other, and I did same for /etc/apt |
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| 17:51.01 | asg | Daknet: or rather, add 'vga=foo' to the line |
| 17:51.11 | raf256 | *I did copy |
| 17:51.36 | Daknet | where is the kernel doc? |
| 17:51.46 | raf256 | diff /mnt/var/cache/apt/ /var/cache/apt |
| 17:51.53 | Withdraw | how do i configure my network interface to automatically get an ip address from the dhcp server? |
| 17:52.00 | asg | raf256: is it trying to download the same versions as the ones in the cache |
| 17:52.09 | asg | Daknet: in a kernel source tarball. |
| 17:52.13 | dondelelcaro | Withdraw: set up /etc/network/interfaces appropriately |
| 17:52.15 | rbochan | Withdraw: install etherconf and have debian do it |
| 17:52.25 | Covener | swsusp2 question -- I've tried unsuccessfully in the past to add things ot the command line to tell swsusp2 not to prompt me when it doesn't find a memory dump (enter to reboot, C to continue regular boot). Anyone know offhand a way to essentially disable swsusp2 in a kernel that has it compiled in? |
| 17:52.34 | Daknet | ok, thanks |
| 17:52.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell Withdraw about dhcp client |
| 17:52.36 | asg | Daknet: values that work for 1024x768 include vga=791 and vga=771 (nfc about 1280x800) |
| 17:52.47 | greycat | raf256: you missed /var/lib/apt/lists, then? |
| 17:53.38 | rbochan | Withdraw: as you can see, there a number of ways to do it, you only need to choose one |
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| 17:54.11 | rbochan | geezz... i think I just channeled confuscious |
| 17:55.07 | raf256 | greycat: omfg, indeed... why noone told me it when I asked like 5 times will it work :[ |
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| 17:55.23 | Withdraw | i think it was because i recompiled my kernel and didnt define CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_filter |
| 17:55.25 | greycat | raf256: probably because nobody you were talking to had ever tried it |
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| 17:56.23 | raf256 | graycat so I will remove current and copy from old box directories: /etc/apt /var/cache/apt /var/lib/apt is that ALL? what about like /var/lib/aptitude? |
| 17:56.28 | justin | raf256: IF you coppied it CORRECTLY then it will work |
| 17:56.49 | raf256 | justin: with dirs I should clone then? |
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| 17:57.17 | greycat | raf256: none of us have ever done it, so we can't say it's ALL. |
| 17:57.20 | greycat | it's all I can think of. |
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| 17:57.31 | nse | greycat: any of the nvidia graphics cards will be all right? |
| 17:57.39 | justin | raf256: all you need is the debs if all you want to save downloading is the debs |
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| 17:57.50 | greycat | nse: ask #nvidia about the linux support for the various newer cards |
| 17:58.01 | greycat | they'll have a better idea than we will |
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| 17:58.29 | raf256 | justin: well .debs are in var/cache/apt/archives, coping only it didnt stop apt-get from downloading from inet |
| 17:58.38 | ntilmans | I've got an apt problem |
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| 17:58.47 | justin | raf256: then it isn't downloading the same file |
| 17:58.53 | ntilmans | i can't get non-us sources in unstable |
| 17:58.58 | asg | ntilmans: /topic |
| 17:59.04 | cbr | does debian already have modularized xorg packages? |
| 17:59.05 | raf256 | justin: apparently it does |
| 17:59.18 | raf256 | !xorgsmite cbr |
| 17:59.18 | ntilmans | right so what topic do i go to then |
| 17:59.25 | asg | ntilmans: the channel topic |
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| 17:59.34 | asg | ntilmans: by typing '/topic' in your irc client |
| 18:00.00 | V[-]L7r[-]N | look at jigdo go 80k/s |
| 18:00.30 | Dk0rr | Is anyone an Operator in #debianppc? Simonrvn (simon@simonrv.user simon raven) kicked me because he did not want me mapping control+c to command+c. The conversation is logged at http://dk0r.org/log/debianppc.20050713.log |
| 18:00.30 | Dk0rr | -I do not feel that I insulted the operator, or was vulgar in any manner. I believe simonrvn abused his privileges as an operator, and I request having my ban lifted. Thankyou. |
| 18:00.45 | raf256 | !nickometer V[-]L7r[-]N |
| 18:00.45 | dpkg | 'V[-]L7r[-]N' is 99.750% lame, raf256 |
| 18:00.47 | bit0 | raf256, xDD, sure! |
| 18:00.54 | bit0 | raf256, now i'm on! |
| 18:00.56 | asg | Dk0rr: #freenode |
| 18:01.07 | V[-]L7r[-]N | I've never downloaded anything that fast |
| 18:01.08 | Dk0rr | asg: ty |
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| 18:01.15 | V[-]L7r[-]N | And nver been so lame |
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| 18:01.32 | V[-]L7r[-]N | I beat the 97 % barrier |
| 18:01.34 | raf256 | V[-]L7r[-]N: so with parts of your nick are CS team names? |
| 18:01.34 | Vamped | 'V[-]L7r[-]N' is 99.750% lame wow thats realllllllly lame |
| 18:01.43 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 18:01.53 | Vamped | i wonder how lame i am... |
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| 18:01.55 | Dk0rr | asg: they devoiced me for pasting my message |
| 18:02.01 | V[-]L7r[-]N | I know |
| 18:02.12 | FieldySnuts | probably pasted too much. wah. |
| 18:02.17 | V[-]L7r[-]N | Is there a lamer |
| 18:02.24 | Dk0rr | FieldySnuts: what do i do? |
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| 18:02.29 | tarzeau | good evening |
| 18:02.29 | V[-]L7r[-]N | I think not |
| 18:02.40 | lildude | super video out |
| 18:02.42 | nse | greycat: the properly x configuration can be handled by dpkg and apt-get canonical ways of doing. or we have to do any strange hand editing text files? |
| 18:02.43 | V[-]L7r[-]N | JIGDO GO |
| 18:02.46 | lildude | do i need sound cables |
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| 18:02.50 | FieldySnuts | Dk0rr: heck if I know (I also don't care), not a #debian issue |
| 18:02.53 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 18:02.53 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 18:02.56 | lildude | and is 32 meg enogh video |
| 18:02.56 | raf256 | ok reinstall time |
| 18:03.06 | lildude | and 256 ram p 550 cpu |
| 18:03.17 | EmleyMoor | I've foolishly landed myself with a "too small" / partition - other than the obvious ones, what's safe to split off? |
| 18:03.19 | Dk0rr | FieldySnuts: It is a debian issue. Its a debianppc iossue |
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| 18:03.21 | V[-]L7r[-]N | DVD for me |
| 18:03.23 | greycat | nse: I just use debconf's automatic output as the starting point, then I edit by hand to make it work how I want. |
| 18:03.30 | V[-]L7r[-]N | it's to chunky |
| 18:03.35 | greycat | nse: others may choose not to do it that way. you'll get a lot of different opinions. |
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| 18:03.42 | EmleyMoor | (failing that, is there a good way to make one partition smaller and move the rest down a bit to make more room?) |
| 18:04.10 | lildude | can some one help me with tv set up |
| 18:04.21 | EmleyMoor | lildude: What kind of TV>? |
| 18:04.22 | V[-]L7r[-]N | on what card |
| 18:04.24 | lildude | super vide 32 card 256 ram 550 cpu |
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| 18:04.34 | asg | EmleyMoor: you can usually resize ext2/3 partitions pretty easily, dunno about others. |
| 18:04.37 | lildude | do i also ned sound cable to tower? |
| 18:04.49 | lildude | its old crt |
| 18:04.52 | nse | greycat: what are essentially the changes you do by hand? are them necessary for the driver to work? how to know which of them i need to apply in my case? |
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| 18:04.56 | lildude | tv is jvc |
| 18:05.04 | lildude | i art |
| 18:05.07 | lildude | 32 inch |
| 18:05.11 | greycat | nse: I don't know. I just do whatever is necessary. |
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| 18:05.23 | Varanger_log | hi all |
| 18:05.31 | EmleyMoor | asg: All I've read seems to suggest it's not that easy without "pay" tools |
| 18:05.46 | asg | EmleyMoor: gnu parted has worked for me in the past |
| 18:05.55 | Varanger | hi all |
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| 18:06.10 | asg | EmleyMoor: at least for ext filesystems. Of course, there are no guarantees, but I've never had problems. |
| 18:06.13 | V[-]L7r[-]N | according to my calculations I will complete these two DVD downloads by 4am at 60 K/S pacific time |
| 18:06.32 | EmleyMoor | I've got (yes, I know it's not Debian) a Knoppix CD but qtparted on that won't let me do stuff with the ext3 partitions |
| 18:06.33 | Varanger | I was updating kernel-image and appeared this suggested packages: irqbalance for SMP systems |
| 18:06.39 | Varanger | is it neccessary ? |
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| 18:06.57 | gnat_x | can i safely rm the contents pf /var/cache/apt/ since its taking up most of my /var partition? or do i actually need some of the files in there? |
| 18:07.03 | asg | EmleyMoor: how small is your root anyway? |
| 18:07.10 | Varanger | gnat_x: apt-get clean |
| 18:07.12 | asg | gnat_x: apt-get clean |
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| 18:07.16 | caphuso | gnat_x: apt-get {auto-,}clean |
| 18:07.21 | EmleyMoor | 94Mb |
| 18:07.26 | caphuso | gnat_x: i mean apt-get {auto,}clean |
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| 18:07.37 | gnat_x | great thanks |
| 18:07.50 | nse | greycat: you're meaning that probably I'll have to do some of those changes too? |
| 18:07.52 | asg | EmleyMoor: well you could move /var /usr /tmp /home to other partitions |
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| 18:08.18 | EmleyMoor | /var, /usr and /home already are |
| 18:08.35 | EmleyMoor | And /tmp |
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| 18:08.56 | Varanger | I was updating kernel-image and appeared this suggested packages: irqbalance for SMP systems |
| 18:08.59 | Varanger | is it neccessary ? |
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| 18:09.33 | asg | EmleyMoor: what is taking up all of / then? |
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| 18:09.42 | EdibleText | Varanger, nope. its suggested |
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| 18:11.29 | blvszcz | anyone use exim here? |
| 18:11.40 | asg | v0L7r[-]n: why don't you split into red-cookie-puss and blue-fudgie-the-whale? |
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| 18:11.52 | asg | blvszcz: even more people do in #exim |
| 18:11.56 | appaji | blvszcz: pretty much everybody who uses Debian uses exim too :) |
| 18:12.16 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.17 | blvszcz | asg: not exactly |
| 18:12.38 | asg | blvszcz: then ask your question |
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| 18:12.56 | EmleyMoor | asg: I'll tell you in a minute or two |
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| 18:13.30 | asg | EmleyMoor: if you have horridly large gtk/gnome stuff in /etc, that might be the problem. or /root is getting crufty |
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| 18:13.44 | SexyKen | Hey guys, say I have two numbers. 56,053.03 & 6,021.02 How do I find the difference as a percentage? |
| 18:13.46 | Withdraw | whats the command to list my partition table |
| 18:13.57 | blvszcz | asg: I would like make filtering using lookup. I've got file /etc/blabla, which contains stupibluszcz bluszcz@jabberpl.org, I want to set filtering if body contains stupibluszcz then deliver bluszcz@jabberpl.org |
| 18:13.59 | asg | Withdraw: fdisk |
| 18:14.02 | blvszcz | asg: do you understand? |
| 18:14.12 | JohnFlux | SexyKen: |a - b| / a |
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| 18:14.30 | SexyKen | Thanks John. |
| 18:14.35 | Withdraw | thnks |
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| 18:14.51 | JohnFlux | SexyKen: it varies whether you use the first number to divide by, or the largest number |
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| 18:15.19 | JohnFlux | SexyKen: by |a-b| i mean the mod - the absolute. yes? |
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| 18:15.32 | asg | blvszcz: is this a systemwide filter or just for your user? |
| 18:15.42 | SexyKen | John, well I'm sort of confused. |
| 18:15.49 | CosmoDad | I've tried to patch a piece of software, but it failed and dumped rejects. How do I interpret the .rej to determine what went wrong? |
| 18:16.03 | JohnFlux | SexyKen: you subtract one number from the other, then ignore the negative sign |
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| 18:16.18 | EmleyMoor | SexyKen: Which number is the one that needs to be 100%? |
| 18:16.22 | JohnFlux | SexyKen: or do: highest_number - lowest_number |
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| 18:16.48 | SexyKen | I have 56036.46 & 6703.38 -- then I have 36036.46, How do I make the next number the same difference as the first set? |
| 18:16.55 | TimbrWolf | Set up dialup connection and can't connect to yahoo.com; can bring up just about any other page? |
| 18:17.05 | JohnFlux | SexyKen: uh.. what? |
| 18:17.14 | TimbrWolf | Have you ever heard of this happening? |
| 18:17.16 | EmleyMoor | TimbrWolf: Yahoo's problem? |
| 18:17.20 | JohnFlux | SexyKen: the difference as a percentage is then 36036.45 / 56036.46 |
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| 18:17.24 | asg | TimbrWolf: can you ping yahoo? |
| 18:17.44 | SexyKen | John but I want the difference as a percentage of the other two....not 36036.46 |
| 18:17.44 | greycat | SexyKen: sounds like 4th grade math |
| 18:17.51 | SexyKen | Probably is :-) |
| 18:17.52 | greycat | maybe 5th |
| 18:17.53 | nse | how to make my debian box to boot into the console. in that case if i do a startx it will run the gdm ? |
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| 18:18.02 | greycat | nse: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:18.10 | TimbrWolf | this is on my mom's computer, I will try next time I am down |
| 18:18.23 | Mozo | !2.6 mouse |
| 18:18.24 | dpkg | i heard 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 18:18.34 | TimbrWolf | I just wanted some ideas on what might cause this |
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| 18:19.33 | masoft | how can I know /usr/bin/detect is in which package ?! |
| 18:19.42 | asg | masoft: apt-file search <foo> |
| 18:19.43 | tarzeau | masoft: dpkg -S it |
| 18:20.00 | nse | greycat: you're meaning that probably I'll have to do some of those changes too? (graphic card stuff) |
| 18:20.14 | JohnFlux | masoft: if its not installed, use the bot. /msg dpkg find detect |
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| 18:20.16 | masoft | tarzeau, I don't have this file |
| 18:20.21 | Daknet | How can I add 1024x728 screen resolution to GRUB menu.lst file? |
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| 18:20.30 | JohnFlux | masoft: its why I hang around on #debian - just for the bot :) |
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| 18:20.41 | JohnFlux | Daknet: that's only for the framebuffer you know, right? |
| 18:20.41 | masoft | JohnFlux, thx |
| 18:20.48 | tarzeau | masoft: i see |
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| 18:20.54 | Daknet | yes |
| 18:21.00 | blvszcz | asg: systemwide |
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| 18:21.09 | Daknet | only for boot time |
| 18:21.20 | JohnFlux | Daknet: okay read linux/doc/framebuffer.txt or whatever it's called |
| 18:21.22 | EmleyMoor | asg: Well, /proc isn't "real", right? /lib and /etc are my biggest two |
| 18:21.30 | JohnFlux | Daknet: in /usr/share/ |
| 18:21.43 | JohnFlux | Daknet: or wherever your kernel source is |
| 18:21.48 | overclocker | hi, i want to use my new sata drive instead of the ide, i made the partitions, copied the files, modified fstab and lilo.conf, runned lilo, i get a "L AA" instead of "LILO", i want to start with the netinstaller, but i got a "ext2-fs: sda6: couldn't mount because unsupported optional feature", ideas? |
| 18:21.49 | v0L7r[-]n | 106 k/s |
| 18:22.10 | Daknet | thanks....but I have no kernel source on my pc! |
| 18:22.32 | v0L7r[-]n | 130 k/s |
| 18:22.41 | czc | hi, i installed debian stable with a 2.4.27 kernel, i build a 2.6.12 kernel and get a pivot_root problem and a kernel panic |
| 18:22.43 | asg | blvszcz: then use a queryprogram router (www.exim.org - read the spec) |
| 18:22.51 | czc | it doesn't find /dev/console |
| 18:22.54 | Daknet | I know that I have to edit the kopt line. |
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| 18:22.57 | v0L7r[-]n | I like Debian already |
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| 18:23.14 | EmleyMoor | asg: Am I right in thinking I cannot split off /lib and /etc? |
| 18:23.16 | Daknet | I tryed to add kopt=vga=791 |
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| 18:23.18 | asg | EmleyMoor: yeah, /lib is a showstopper |
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| 18:23.21 | blvszcz | asg: ? |
| 18:23.32 | Daknet | update-grub...but....nothing |
| 18:23.36 | asg | EmleyMoor: how many kernels do you have installed? |
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| 18:23.40 | raf256 | debian install is fucked up, |
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| 18:23.49 | EruditeHermit | hey, has /usr/doc been obsoleted? |
| 18:23.50 | EmleyMoor | asg: One and a bit (!) |
| 18:23.51 | raf256 | ...it cant detect CD rom (after instaling base system from it) |
| 18:24.10 | raf256 | ...wtf? apt-get source cdrom fails: cdrom: open failed. |
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| 18:24.17 | EdibleText | EruditeHermit, /usr/share/doc |
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| 18:24.30 | EruditeHermit | EdibleText: can I safely remove /usr/doc/ though? |
| 18:24.35 | asg | blvszcz: read the exim spec and faq for how to use the 'querprogram' router. Use it to feed mail to a program that greps for whatever you want. #exim can expand on that. |
| 18:24.43 | asg | EmleyMoor: can you remove the bit? |
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| 18:24.59 | Yokalosh | can anyone look at this error i get when i try to install enlightenment and try and tell me what i should do please? |
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| 18:25.25 | EmleyMoor | No - the bit is from an install that failed because of the lack of disk space - I want that kernel! |
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| 18:25.44 | EdibleText | EruditeHermit, look in /usr/doc/ |
| 18:25.49 | asg | EmleyMoor: oh. |
| 18:25.59 | EdibleText | EruditeHermit, or rather ls -al |
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| 18:26.14 | blvszcz | asg: 134 page in philips book |
| 18:26.19 | asg | EmleyMoor: you are better off just making a backup of your critical data and reinstalling. |
| 18:26.26 | EruditeHermit | EdibleText: it looks relatively empty, I think most of it was moved to /usr/share/doc/ |
| 18:26.40 | asg | blvszcz: I don't have Phil's book and use qmail for most things these days. |
| 18:26.43 | EdibleText | EruditeHermit, sysmlinks probably need for older stuff that depends on a /usr/doc |
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| 18:27.20 | EmleyMoor | asg: That's almost how I got into this mess in the first place - I made a backup so that I could hopefully restore it when work had wiped it |
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| 18:28.04 | kamaraju | I wanted to delete all the lines containing word test in a file called data.txt and store the output in the same file. The usual editors are slow as data.txt is quite big 1 gig. I tried using sed -e '/test/d' data.txt > data.txt . But this erased the data.txt completely. One option is to store the output in a temporary file and then overwrite the original file with this. But I am assuming there is a better way to do this. May be some |
| 18:28.04 | kamaraju | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.27 | asg | EmleyMoor: the only other way (warning: dangerous) is to copy the current kernel's modules to some other partition, install the one you want and hope the new kernel boots. Having an install cd for rescue purposes is suggested. |
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| 18:28.51 | asg | kamaraju: man sed |
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| 18:29.44 | EmleyMoor | asg: If parted could move the start of an ext3 partition I'd be OK |
| 18:29.47 | kamaraju | asg: Dude, I ofcourse checked the man page. Could you be a bit more explicit? |
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| 18:29.56 | EdibleText | asg, could /lib be moved to [say] /home/lib then use a symlink ? I had to do that with /usr/share/ this morning |
| 18:29.56 | asg | kamaraju: option number 4, -i |
| 18:30.13 | asg | EdibleText: no, since /home won't be mounted when /lib is needed. |
| 18:30.20 | guevolt | Where i change my conf of resolv.conf? # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 18:30.20 | guevolt | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
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| 18:30.27 | EdibleText | asg, ah |
| 18:30.50 | kamaraju | asg: Thanks |
| 18:31.10 | nse | I'm running debian etch with kernel 2.4.27 in i386. to upgrade it to a kernel 2.6 we only need to do and apt-get upgrade to a newer version of a package? which package? |
| 18:31.13 | Hackel | After installing postfix, I notice the main.cf file says "do NOT edit this file manually"...is this only for when the config is managed by debconf? |
| 18:31.25 | cahoot | guevolt: might want to read the info in /usr/share/doc/resolv |
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| 18:31.47 | asg | Hackel: check /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian{.gz} and see if it mentions |
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| 18:31.51 | guevolt | cahoot: ok.. |
| 18:32.06 | raf256 | is there a list of with packages are on with CD of debian? |
| 18:32.06 | czc | nse you can install the kernel-image package |
| 18:32.09 | cahoot | guevolt: err /usr/share/doc/resolvconf |
| 18:32.11 | ThePiratemaster | is woody more secure then sarge? |
| 18:32.18 | v0L7r[-]n | asg I tried to split into red-cookie-puss and blue-fudgie-the-whale but I can't blue fungie a whale with you in the way. |
| 18:32.19 | raf256 | I have just CD 1..4, can i install gnome, kde, openoffice? |
| 18:32.32 | Hackel | asg: I did check that, it's not mentioned. |
| 18:32.33 | h3xis | yes |
| 18:32.44 | takatumi | guevolt: if you are using dhclient, man dhclient.conf, look at prepend. |
| 18:32.57 | sparr_ | whoa... dist-upgrade just downloaded xserver-xorg. anyone got a link to the pros/cons of switching? |
| 18:33.03 | ThePiratemaster | is woody more secure then sarge? |
| 18:33.18 | kbrooks | No. |
| 18:33.20 | ledet | ThePiratemaster: no |
| 18:33.21 | asg | Hackel: hmmm, I'd wait a bit and ask again. I'm sure someone will know. |
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| 18:33.45 | nse | czc: i'll have any trouble by doing this? it appears to be so simple |
| 18:33.46 | kbrooks | ThePiratemaster, no linux distribution is secure, by definition |
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| 18:34.16 | v0L7r[-]n | Hackel it's because he doesn't want you to know that he likes to turn into split into red-cookie-puss and blue-fudgie-the-whale |
| 18:34.23 | ThePiratemaster | i know that |
| 18:34.23 | raf256 | apt-get install gnome will install this x-core (or how it was called)? |
| 18:34.34 | ThePiratemaster | nothing is EVER serure by defination |
| 18:34.35 | tzafrir | kbrooks, the linux distro on my laptop os highly secure ATM, actually |
| 18:34.47 | ThePiratemaster | i asked MORE desure |
| 18:34.56 | raf256 | tzafrir: are all data and passwords on encrypted hdd? |
| 18:35.03 | kbrooks | ThePiratemaster, i read the 'more' part |
| 18:35.15 | ThePiratemaster | then what do you think? |
| 18:35.25 | raf256 | tzafrir: laptop can be insecure even disconnected, in case of thiefs, FBI agents, or ninja warriers |
| 18:35.26 | kbrooks | ThePiratemaster, the only thing i can answer: NO |
| 18:35.34 | ThePiratemaster | and what do YUO sugest you i use |
| 18:35.41 | kbrooks | ThePiratemaster, sarge. |
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| 18:35.46 | tzafrir | raf256, big deal. This applies for a desktop as well |
| 18:35.53 | tzafrir | Someone can break into your house |
| 18:35.54 | ThePiratemaster | also on a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 18:36.07 | raf256 | tzafrir: it would requier at least a ninja master to carry my have PC box |
| 18:36.08 | Hackel | Theoden: Use Windows 3.1 most secure OS ever. |
| 18:36.11 | kbrooks | ThePiratemaster, kernel version is irrevelant |
| 18:36.20 | guevolt | cahoot: i read but i don't find anything about my doubt. |
| 18:36.25 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 18:36.29 | Hackel | s/Theoden/ThePiratemaster |
| 18:36.30 | Theoden | Hackel: ?? |
| 18:36.33 | kbrooks | Hackel, *NO* operating system is secure by definition |
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| 18:36.53 | zap_ | how would you explain the following phenomenon? i have mounted a cdrom. df -h shows 149 M while du -sh /mnt/cdrom shows 16M |
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| 18:36.57 | ThePiratemaster | ALL software have bugs |
| 18:36.59 | nse | I'm running debian etch with kernel 2.4.27 in i386. to upgrade it to a kernel 2.6 we only need to do and apt-get upgrade to a newer version of a package? which package? |
| 18:37.07 | ThePiratemaster | and bugs can be exploited |
| 18:37.08 | Hackel | kbrooks: lol, yes you've made your point, it was a joke. |
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| 18:37.16 | ThePiratemaster | thus all software is insecure |
| 18:37.23 | tzafrir | nse: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:37.28 | kbrooks | ThePiratemaster, neither are secure |
| 18:37.35 | tzafrir | or: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
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| 18:38.05 | tzafrir | ThePiratemaster, You don't use a useful definition of "secure" |
| 18:38.22 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 18:38.33 | ThePiratemaster | well my definition of secure is a 100% safe |
| 18:38.46 | ThePiratemaster | also for dos attack |
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| 18:39.00 | tzafrir | ThePiratemaster, interesting defibition, and with no practical value |
| 18:39.03 | takatumi | padlock and yank the power cable. |
| 18:39.04 | oZt | Why does apt want to remove kde when I try to install libaspell15c2 ? |
| 18:39.10 | ThePiratemaster | it is |
| 18:39.11 | greycat | 100% safe = turned off, unplugged, smashed into pieces, burned, and the ashes scattered. |
| 18:39.12 | oZt | it got removed during last upgrade.. |
| 18:39.29 | ThePiratemaster | so i always say fairly secure if alplicible |
| 18:39.30 | jaiger | takatumi, that config is at risk of fire & flood |
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| 18:40.03 | Cerop | I need to get my sound working on Knoppix...can anyone help me, or maybe pint me in a direction for some manuals? |
| 18:40.06 | takatumi | jaiger: meditate then. :P |
| 18:40.08 | v0L7r[-]n | if I can get download speeds like this I'd split into red-cookie-puss and blue-fudgie-the-whale every day |
| 18:40.10 | PeTeRB | Cerop: #knoppix |
| 18:40.12 | tzafrir | ThePiratemaster, to get the idea of a possible attack: su;pose I put some malicious code in the hard-disk controller |
| 18:40.19 | Cerop | ah...tx |
| 18:40.32 | tzafrir | The hard disk controller will modify some data at will |
| 18:40.35 | ThePiratemaster | but is the software in apt for woody less vunerable for remote atacks then the ones for sargew? |
| 18:40.50 | tzafrir | It also has its own communication channel to a near-by machine |
| 18:40.56 | tzafrir | Try defeating that |
| 18:41.33 | ThePiratemaster | then all software on that harddisk is a risk |
| 18:41.37 | ThePiratemaster | and thus insecure |
| 18:41.50 | ThePiratemaster | the is no such thing as my definition of "secure" |
| 18:42.22 | asg | oZt: /msg dpkg bts (known bug) |
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| 18:43.00 | v0L7r[-]n | If it keeps up at this pace it will be done in 10 hours |
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| 18:43.10 | ThePiratemaster | if someone can cut a cable to stop software from functioning properly that software is insecure |
| 18:43.26 | ThePiratemaster | (eg server) |
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| 18:43.59 | Octave_Octet | Hi. I am going to get an AMD64 cpu |
| 18:44.05 | kbrooks | ThePiratemaster, nope |
| 18:44.06 | EdibleText | ThePiratemaster, or wrap some wires around the cable and pick up the signals via induction |
| 18:44.20 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: no, that's just a DoS |
| 18:44.23 | kbrooks | Your definition has ZERO pratical value. |
| 18:44.24 | asg | Octave_Octet: #debian-amd64 has all the details |
| 18:44.30 | Octave_Octet | Oh thanks |
| 18:44.36 | Octave_Octet | I'll go there |
| 18:44.47 | ThePiratemaster | as long as that exists no software is secure |
| 18:45.06 | ThePiratemaster | secure only exists theoraticly |
| 18:45.11 | oZt | thx asg |
| 18:45.13 | EmleyMoor | OK - I am reinstalling - must try not to go too "over the top" this time |
| 18:45.33 | EmleyMoor | (with my initial install, that is - install just enough to get things going) |
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| 18:46.19 | nse | tzafrir: and then i'm done? |
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| 18:47.02 | ThePiratemaster | let me put it this way: wich one is more suitable for a firewall, security wise (as it is a firewall), woody, or sarge? |
| 18:47.15 | greycat | sarge. |
| 18:47.17 | EmleyMoor | I would not recommend woody for anything now |
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| 18:47.30 | greycat | woody's security support will be discontinued in 11 months |
| 18:47.48 | ThePiratemaster | really |
| 18:47.49 | ThePiratemaster | why? |
| 18:48.04 | greycat | because the security team is a scarce resource |
| 18:48.05 | asg | ThePiratemaster: it's over 3 years old, it is hard to backport security fixes |
| 18:48.11 | EmleyMoor | woody is old - sarge is stable |
| 18:48.16 | utopio | Hi all!, a simple question, non-Us repositorys are needed in sid? i can't find an updated sid, non-Us repository... Maybe they are deprecated? |
| 18:48.21 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 18:48.21 | asg | utopio: /topic |
| 18:48.25 | greycat | !topicsmite utopio |
| 18:48.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon utopio. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:48.28 | ThePiratemaster | sarge it is then |
| 18:48.29 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 18:48.53 | ThePiratemaster | ttyl all |
| 18:48.54 | utopio | asg: i already searched in the wiki ehem |
| 18:48.54 | sparr_ | When I try to load Windows (on hda1, by referencing (hd0,0)) with grub it tells me the partition type is 0x82 (swap), so i think my device map is bad. Trial and Error tells me its also not hd1 or hd3, and when i try to boot (hd2,0) i just get a grub shell. Help? |
| 18:49.04 | asg | utopio: the whole topic, not just the first part |
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| 18:49.40 | greycat | #grub may be better suited to help |
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| 18:50.07 | ThePiratemaster | btw, any0ne join a server project? |
| 18:50.08 | utopio | LOL, just in the middle of the topic... a huge topic |
| 18:50.10 | utopio | X-D |
| 18:50.12 | utopio | thanx |
| 18:50.45 | greycat | uh, that's called the "end". |
| 18:50.50 | greycat | the middle's the part before that. |
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| 18:51.20 | ircdevil | why why why would anyone keep all there audio cds in wma format? |
| 18:51.30 | ircdevil | b. gates does it again |
| 18:51.32 | ThePiratemaster | btw, any0ne join a server project, to host a project called devcore |
| 18:51.33 | greycat | because they are windows users? |
| 18:51.34 | EmleyMoor | Because because because they're mad |
| 18:51.47 | nse | I'm going to reinstall the whole OS in my box, i'm going to format everything. is there a way to get the list of packages that are installed in my debian now in order to have them all back in the new system? |
| 18:51.58 | ircdevil | greycat: i used windows a long time ago - i made mp3s |
| 18:51.58 | asg | nse: dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:52.14 | greycat | ircdevil: you weren't a windows user, though -- you were a unix user stuck in windows :) |
| 18:52.27 | greycat | or maybe a DOS user who hadn't found unix yet |
| 18:52.30 | ircdevil | greycat: heh - yeah, i didnt know at that time |
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| 18:52.31 | EdibleText | They know not what they do. |
| 18:52.36 | asg | nse: save the output to a file, use dpkg --set-selections on the other side. |
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| 18:52.56 | ThePiratemaster | lol i only use windows at school and at friend's houses |
| 18:53.05 | ircdevil | how bad is the quality loss converting wma to mp3 or ogg? |
| 18:53.07 | ThePiratemaster | (my dad was a unix programmer) |
| 18:53.14 | Crell | What's the best way to determine which package installed a given file? I'm trying to remember where a given library came from so that I can show someone else how to duplicate a procedure. |
| 18:53.26 | ThePiratemaster | now he uses solaris |
| 18:53.31 | greycat | Crell: dpkg -S |
| 18:53.37 | Crell | Thanks. |
| 18:53.44 | EmleyMoor | I avoid Windows as much as possible - but have it on my laptop for work reasons (putting Debian on as well, though) and my partner's machine has it... my own Windows machine will soon be switched off for good! |
| 18:53.46 | ThePiratemaster | and i use debian woody |
| 18:53.57 | greycat | ircdevil: if you convert wma to ogg, we will have to hunt you down and rip your ears off. |
| 18:54.10 | greycat | it's for your own good. |
| 18:54.16 | EdibleText | I used to use Windows socially, ya know to fit in, then I began playing solitare and minesweeper. |
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| 18:54.28 | Crell | greycat: Does that require a full path, or will just the bare filename work in the directory where the file is? |
| 18:54.34 | ircdevil | greycat: hmmmm - then i need to get mplayer going i guess |
| 18:54.39 | greycat | Crell: man dpkg |
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| 18:54.55 | greycat | ircdevil: if you must transcode, transcode to mp3. that way you don't pollute the oggspace. |
| 18:54.57 | ThePiratemaster | Edible, its okay, we've all been there... |
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| 18:55.06 | ThePiratemaster | (expat me) |
| 18:55.07 | ircdevil | greycat: heh |
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| 18:55.12 | greycat | one more set of shitty mp3s won't matter |
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| 18:55.14 | ThePiratemaster | *exept |
| 18:55.47 | ircdevil | greycat: tell that to mariah caray, toni braxton, etc. |
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| 18:56.06 | EdibleText | actually I went from Amiga to *nix term, then luddite hippy, then broke, then Linux |
| 18:56.15 | Leonardo_Lopes | Why libglu1-xorg is providing "libglu1c2" instead "libglu1", that is provided by others libglu* packages and is the dependency used in others programs? |
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| 18:56.43 | sparr_ | i cant upgrade udev (it cant be authenticated, and it requires a kernel 2.6.12+), how can i 'skip' that package in my dist-upgrade? |
| 18:56.46 | asg | Leonardo_Lopes: welcome to sid. Be patient, the borkage will be fixed in a few days or so. |
| 18:56.53 | asg | sparr_: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:57.20 | asg | sparr_: also, marco has a blog post about the udev saga at planet.debian.org that may provide more information |
| 18:57.22 | ledet | asg: whats broken now? |
| 18:57.28 | nse | asg: is it easy as it appears to be? |
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| 18:57.34 | asg | ledet: xorg going into sid, gcc4 going into sid |
| 18:57.42 | asg | !tell mozo about away |
| 18:57.49 | Seb | asg: xorg entering soon ? |
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| 18:57.57 | asg | Seb: it's entered sid already |
| 18:58.00 | Seb | wow |
| 18:58.00 | ledet | asg: ah |
| 18:58.07 | greycat | !punish lynx for silently exiting on Ctrl-D which is the same keystroke used for PageDown in some other programs. |
| 18:58.07 | ledet | asg: and its broken? |
| 18:58.12 | ledet | asg: hadnt noticed :) |
| 18:58.15 | asg | nse: it is; remember, that's just the packages, not their configurations. |
| 18:58.34 | megatronx | i have a quick question. what package do i install to change the system language (english to spanish, etc.)? |
| 18:58.36 | asg | ledet: it's broken for some apparently, others have had no issues. My money is on waiting for a few days. |
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| 18:58.56 | sparr_ | thanks asg |
| 18:58.58 | Seb | asg: am i gonna be able to have both xfree86 and x.org installed at the same time ? |
| 18:59.10 | asg | Seb: no, x.org is replacing xfree86 |
| 18:59.12 | greycat | Seb: check the conflicts: and depends: lines |
| 18:59.15 | waqar | megatronx : search for locale |
| 18:59.18 | Seb | greycat: good point |
| 18:59.19 | greycat | Seb: and provides: |
| 18:59.20 | Seb | asg: k |
| 18:59.22 | asg | Seb: apt-cache policy xfree86-common |
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| 18:59.25 | megatronx | in synaptics? |
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| 19:00.13 | Seb | megatronx: apt-get install locales |
| 19:00.13 | tzafrir | nse, after a reboot, yes (if this is >= sarge) |
| 19:00.23 | megatronx | ok thanks |
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| 19:00.59 | kbrooks | I have a problem / question. Why does thee /etc/issue: |
| 19:01.20 | kbrooks | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
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| 19:01.37 | kbrooks | ^^^ why the 'testing/unstable'? |
| 19:01.41 | Gnea | kbrooks: what's the problem? |
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| 19:01.47 | Gnea | cuz it's not stable |
| 19:01.51 | Gnea | duh |
| 19:01.56 | Punkcut | hey debian people can you throw me a link to whatever docs you guys use for dual booting 2000/xp and debian using GRUB? |
| 19:02.07 | kbrooks | don't 'duh' me, Gnea |
| 19:02.13 | Gnea | Punkcut: apt-get install pinfo && pinfo grub |
| 19:02.19 | Gnea | kbrooks: pardon? who the fuck are you? |
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| 19:02.35 | OldakQuill | Is kernelsource installed to file:/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build |
| 19:02.40 | JoshH | Gnea: he is kbrooks. |
| 19:02.40 | Gnea | rather, who do you think you are? |
| 19:02.45 | kbrooks | Gnea, 'duh' is patronisation |
| 19:02.48 | asg | OldakQuill: build is usually a symlink to where the source is. |
| 19:02.50 | greycat | Punkcut: 1) take windows box and make some room on the disk. 2) install debian. 3) there is no 3. |
| 19:02.52 | Gathond | Punkcut: usually I just install windows first |
| 19:02.54 | mozo | Hi, I`d upgrated my kernel to 2.6 series, its ok! But my PS2 mouse stay _FREEZED_ exactly with the "evdev", "psmouse" and "mousedev" modules loaded. Why? :( |
| 19:03.03 | kbrooks | Gnea, i do not like that. |
| 19:03.03 | OldakQuill | ln -s? |
| 19:03.04 | Gnea | kbrooks: get over it and move on. |
| 19:03.20 | Gnea | kbrooks: there are more important issues to deal with. life is not going to end over a 'duh'. |
| 19:03.22 | ircdevil | !faq mozo |
| 19:03.23 | dpkg | mozo: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:03.27 | kbrooks | greycat, poke |
| 19:03.32 | asg | OldakQuill: if you like, packaged kernels should already have it |
| 19:03.33 | JoshH | Gnea: people have been killed for less. |
| 19:03.47 | Gnea | JoshH: this is irc. |
| 19:03.57 | Gnea | if you take irc that seriously, you've got problems. |
| 19:04.02 | kbrooks | JoshH, Any answer to my question? |
| 19:04.08 | JoshH | kbrooks: its normal for it to say that. |
| 19:04.40 | Furball | How can I remove the last symbol off a string using perl? |
| 19:04.49 | asg | Furball: chop |
| 19:04.58 | greycat | or s/.$// |
| 19:05.05 | Furball | Thanks |
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| 19:05.07 | Hixie | hi |
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| 19:05.16 | mozo | ircdevil I learned and tried all that you can to think about "problems" with ps2 mouse in kernel 2.6 :/ |
| 19:05.23 | Hixie | i just plugged in a USB keyboard into my debian system and it doesn't do anything |
| 19:05.28 | Hixie | anyone have any ideas where to look? |
| 19:05.31 | kbrooks | asg: Do you know why /etc/issue displays 'testing/unstable' instead of 'testing'? |
| 19:05.32 | OldakQuill | Kernel 2.6 on PS2? |
| 19:05.34 | Hixie | (works fine on my windows box) |
| 19:05.36 | asg | Furball: apt-get install perl-doc ; man perlfunc |
| 19:05.57 | Hixie | (this is a 2.4 kernel) |
| 19:06.00 | asg | kbrooks: because it doesn't matter |
| 19:06.02 | LoRez | kbrooks: because it does until the package that manages it moves to stable. otherwise it would have to change each time it moved. |
| 19:06.05 | JohnFlux | Hixie: no idea |
| 19:06.09 | LoRez | change the file yourself if you don't like it. |
| 19:06.25 | EdibleText | Hixie, usb support..hid device? does dmesg recognize a new device |
| 19:06.27 | mozo | ircdevil Can an xserver update/change resolve it? |
| 19:06.36 | kbrooks | LoRez, ok |
| 19:06.43 | mops_ | which program can view animated gifs properly please??? |
| 19:06.55 | asg | mops_: a web browser like firefox |
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| 19:07.09 | mops_ | and some another program isn't there? |
| 19:07.14 | lars^ | does anybody remember in which packet xsetbg is in? imagemagick? r somE? |
| 19:07.18 | Hixie | EdibleText: if i run dmesg before and after plugging the usb cable in, nothing in the output differs |
| 19:07.23 | Hixie | EdibleText: (checked using diff(1)) |
| 19:07.24 | asg | lars^: apt-file search xsetbg |
| 19:07.26 | JohnFlux | lars^: /msg dpkg find xsetbg |
| 19:07.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell lars^ -about search |
| 19:07.50 | ircdevil | mozo: a few mouse things changed between 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. |
| 19:08.13 | asg | mops_: maybe display from the imagemagick package |
| 19:08.15 | EdibleText | Hixie, do you have any usb devices? |
| 19:08.17 | mozo | ircdevil i know |
| 19:08.31 | EdibleText | Hixie, if you do then perhaps the kb is borked |
| 19:08.36 | Hixie | EdibleText: none other than this, no. |
| 19:08.36 | mops_ | asg: thanks! |
| 19:08.38 | kbrooks | OK |
| 19:08.39 | ircdevil | mozo: so you have to reconfigure your mouse settings |
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| 19:09.03 | ircdevil | mozo: make sure to use the correct protocol |
| 19:09.07 | mozo | ircdevil i already reconfigured |
| 19:09.09 | Hixie | EdibleText: this keyboard has worked on this setup before, which leads me to suspect it's a config problem, but i have no idea what to check |
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| 19:09.26 | EdibleText | Hixie, load the usb modules. did you compile your own ? |
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| 19:09.30 | EdibleText | kernel |
| 19:09.39 | JohnFlux | Hixie: do cat /dev/input/event0 and type on the keyboard - see if anything happens. if not, use event1 and so on |
| 19:09.45 | mozo | ircdevil using ps2 protocol and pointing to /dev/psaux |
| 19:10.03 | ircdevil | mozo: does gpm work in terminal ? |
| 19:10.07 | Hixie | EdibleText: how do i load the usb modules? (nope, just using the ones that were installed) |
| 19:10.14 | Hixie | johnflux: k, looking... |
| 19:10.16 | mozo | ircdevil no.. |
| 19:10.21 | JohnFlux | Hixie: modprobe <devicename> |
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| 19:10.39 | jaiger | tzafrir, do you have a few minutes to talk to me about * packaging? |
| 19:10.51 | mozo | ircdevil i tried "gpm -t ps2 -m /dev/psaux" but did not respond... |
| 19:10.53 | EdibleText | Hixie, modprobe; apt-get install modprobe |
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| 19:11.03 | Hixie | JohnFlux: cat /dev/input/event0 .. 3 all say "No such device" |
| 19:11.08 | EdibleText | Hixie, excuse me |
| 19:11.17 | takatumi | might as well try modconf |
| 19:11.25 | EdibleText | Hixie, modprobe; apt-get install modconf |
| 19:11.33 | JohnFlux | Hixie: curious |
| 19:11.41 | ircdevil | mozo: regular ps2 mouse - no usb stuff? |
| 19:11.58 | mozo | ircdevil regular ps2 mouse.. |
| 19:11.59 | Hixie | EdibleText: k, installing modconf... |
| 19:12.05 | mozo | :] |
| 19:12.26 | mozo | ircdevil connect at the ps2 device port |
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| 19:12.35 | JohnFlux | Hixie: if you run "mount" do you see usbfs mounted to /proc/bus/usb ? |
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| 19:13.01 | ircdevil | mozo: try with /dev/input/mice |
| 19:13.17 | JohnFlux | Hixie: and do you see udev mounted |
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| 19:13.24 | ircdevil | mozo: http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/1121282408.html |
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| 19:13.34 | rob_lt | anybody ever do anything like controlling stepper motors remotely from a linux box via a serial cable, or anything like that? |
| 19:13.43 | Hixie | JohnFlux, EdibleText: usbfs is mounted, not udev. I ran modconf and usb is indeed loaded, as is HID. |
| 19:13.44 | mozo | ircdevil i`d tried it too :P |
| 19:13.53 | rob_lt | to a micro chip of some kind |
| 19:14.01 | ircdevil | mozo: hmmmm you need peterS |
| 19:14.22 | omry | I am trying to mount an iso image on an nfs directory sitting on another machine, and I get "/nfs/path/file.iso: Permission denied". root have read access to the file. any idea what`s wrong? |
| 19:14.23 | ircdevil | but hes not around atm |
| 19:14.32 | mozo | ircdevil peterS? |
| 19:14.55 | ircdevil | mozo: peterS is clever-clever when it comes to mice |
| 19:15.09 | Gnea | omry: you're trying to mount it ON the other machine from another? |
| 19:15.33 | EdibleText | rob_lt, I have been waiting for some steppers and microcontrollers to play with . but I dont get presents anymore |
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| 19:15.54 | Gnea | omry: you might have to set it up on a loopback device first |
| 19:16.05 | omry | Gnea, I am trying to mount the iso that is on another machine on a directory on the local machine. |
| 19:16.35 | pablum | rob_lt, not directly, but using uchip and a programmer... |
| 19:16.41 | Hixie | EdibleText, JohnFlux: ah well. I'll poke around some with it more later. Thanks for the pointers. |
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| 19:16.53 | omry | Gnea, this is the command I used : mount -t iso9660 -o loop /nfs/path/file.iso /mnt |
| 19:17.04 | pablum | EdibleText, samples rock :) |
| 19:17.16 | EdibleText | yeah |
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| 19:17.30 | rob_lt | EdibleText, pablum: I've done a few projects with a motorolla HC11 and minicom, but nothing too serious. I was thinking of trying a project of a remote controlled camera on actuators with a GUI interface... could be fun. |
| 19:17.32 | Gnea | omry: try this: losetup /dev/loop0 /nfs/path/file.iso && mount -o loop /dev/loop0 /mnt |
| 19:17.35 | mozo | ircdevil hehe.. I not understanding it hehe |
| 19:17.41 | EdibleText | no one has come to me with a robot project yet |
| 19:17.53 | jharrisonwk | qemu |
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| 19:18.15 | ircdevil | mozo: well, get gpm working. the debian-faq may have some hints |
| 19:18.35 | EdibleText | rob_lt, I did make a bunch of leds light up right out of the parallel port though... we get signal |
| 19:18.48 | omry | Gnea, I get the permission denied (exact same error) from losetup now. |
| 19:18.54 | mozo | :( |
| 19:19.25 | Gnea | omry: even if you have enough space, could you cp the .iso to the local fs? |
| 19:20.07 | asg | Gnea: he could try mounting the loopback on the nfs server and the exporting that mountpoint. |
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| 19:20.23 | Gnea | asg: that'd work |
| 19:20.23 | omry | Gnea, its a 4gb iso, but I could copy it, yeah. |
| 19:20.37 | Gnea | omry: try asg's suggestion first |
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| 19:20.49 | rob_lt | EdibleText, I was fighting with the parport for a long time, but I ended up dropping it because most of the lines are used up and not even accessible. I got serial working to/from the chip to work, which in the end was a bonus. |
| 19:20.50 | EdibleText | I want to make a realtime stepper actuated 'aiming device' and use a mouse or joystick to control. fast response. |
| 19:21.05 | Gnea | omry: don't forget to losetup -d /dev/loop0 on your system first |
| 19:21.13 | EdibleText | you could mount a camera or a gun |
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| 19:21.19 | rob_lt | EdibleText, same idea as Im thinking, just replace the word camera with scope :) |
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| 19:21.26 | omry | Gnea, the past losetup didn't work. so I think its not needed. |
| 19:21.42 | Gnea | overly paranoid today eh? |
| 19:21.46 | Hackel | When ever I send a message to x@a.b.c it's getting rewritten at some point to x@b.c and bounces. Why might this happen? The message never reaches a.b.c at all, so it must be a problem with either my ISP's SMTP server or DNS settings, right? |
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| 19:22.11 | omry | Gnea, nah, just lazy :) |
| 19:22.13 | asg | Hackel: your local mta might be rewriting it also |
| 19:22.20 | Gnea | omry: lol |
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| 19:22.52 | Seb | where do I find the "PCI ID" |
| 19:22.55 | Seb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.01 | EdibleText | Seb, ywes |
| 19:23.08 | Hackel | asg: My local mta is just standard exim install, and I've never had trouble with any other addresses, so why might it do this? |
| 19:23.19 | Seb | no, I'm asking "where in the output" :) |
| 19:23.19 | omry | asg, Gnea, why can't I just mount that iso directly? |
| 19:23.26 | Gnea | Seb: lspci -X |
| 19:23.32 | Seb | Gnea: cool |
| 19:23.44 | asg | omry: it might be to do with nfs and how the loop driver works. |
| 19:23.53 | Seb | Gnea: and then what field is the id ? |
| 19:24.01 | omry | asg, Gnea, I suspects it has something to go with the fact I dis-allowed root access across the nfs as root on the other machine. |
| 19:24.06 | Gnea | omry: it could be any number of things... directory permissions, etc... |
| 19:24.13 | asg | omry: that too perhaps |
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| 19:24.23 | Hackel | I'm also able to send mail to other subdomains (y@d.b.c) just fine. |
| 19:24.26 | Gnea | omry: yeah, that'd do it |
| 19:24.27 | Gnea | :) |
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| 19:24.41 | omry | asg, but as root on this machine, I CAN read the file, I just can't mount it. |
| 19:25.10 | omry | which is funny. maybe mounting tries to do it in read/write mode and fails ? |
| 19:26.02 | Gnea | "freak out on someone on irc today! heart attacks going at a special rate! be the first in your 'hood TODAY!!" <-- i keep trying to avoid that. |
| 19:26.24 | omry | asg, Gnea : yes, I used mount -r and it worked :) |
| 19:26.33 | asg | omry: ah |
| 19:26.36 | abrotman | Gnea: you live in WI .. do they have "'hood"s ? |
| 19:26.36 | Gnea | right on |
| 19:26.49 | Gnea | abrotman: milwaukee does! |
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| 19:27.07 | abrotman | Gnea: two? |
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| 19:27.22 | EmleyMoor | What made Milwaukee famous? |
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| 19:27.30 | asg | EmleyMoor: crappy beer |
| 19:27.31 | Gnea | abrotman: and there are a few homes downtown here that could be classified as such |
| 19:27.38 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: happy days and beer |
| 19:27.41 | haven_ | I'm looking to find out how to have linux load the console instead of X at startup? |
| 19:27.45 | EmleyMoor | What made Tadcaster famous? |
| 19:27.49 | NekkoChan | how do i change my debconf dialog type? when it set up i told it kde but i removed kde and want to set the dialog type back to dialog |
| 19:27.51 | asg | haven_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:27.52 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: Laverne & Shirley |
| 19:27.53 | dieguito | hello, im having trouble with gamin in sid, it just doesnt tell gnome-panel or nautilus about file changes |
| 19:27.55 | asg | EmleyMoor: crappy beer? |
| 19:27.56 | Gnea | tadcaster? wtf is that? |
| 19:28.03 | EmleyMoor | Beer - not crappy though |
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| 19:28.11 | haven_ | Thank you asg |
| 19:28.12 | asg | EmleyMoor: wait, sam smiths is from tadcaster isn't it? |
| 19:28.18 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
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| 19:28.19 | Gnea | asg: it's not as bad as, say, fake canadian beer |
| 19:28.23 | asg | EmleyMoor: s/crappy// |
| 19:28.23 | Gnea | asg: or coors |
| 19:28.32 | EmleyMoor | (there are in fact three breweries in the small town) |
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| 19:28.48 | asg | EmleyMoor: SS is damn expensive here $4 per bottle. |
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| 19:29.07 | asg | EmleyMoor: remember, I was born just outside of Huddersfield ;) |
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| 19:29.13 | RichiH | asg: ss? |
| 19:29.17 | asg | RichiH: Sam Smith's |
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| 19:29.18 | EmleyMoor | Sam Smith's |
| 19:29.23 | dhn- | I changed debian 3.1 from dhcp to static ip now I can reach the net. I can ping internally but I can't reach the net |
| 19:29.24 | RichiH | never heard of it |
| 19:29.30 | Gnea | Tadcaster lies on the River Wharfe between Leeds and York. <--- that Tadcaster? |
| 19:29.36 | EmleyMoor | Yorkshire's oldest brewery |
| 19:29.37 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 19:29.42 | RichiH | dhn-: i guess you have to set the route |
| 19:29.46 | Gnea | i still haven't been to the UK |
| 19:29.52 | Phated | dhn-: Ehm... Unless your ISP gave you a static IP... Or you have a gateway of some sort. |
| 19:30.17 | RichiH | Phated: with some broken isps, you can just use your last ip |
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| 19:30.47 | websdale | NekkoChan: dpkg -reconfigure debconf |
| 19:31.05 | dhn- | the gateway is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:31.20 | Phated | RichiH: Apparently, his isn't. |
| 19:31.25 | NekkoChan | thank you websdale |
| 19:31.26 | Gnea | dhn-: can you ping it? |
| 19:31.33 | EmleyMoor | Lucky I'm online at the moment - my router failed and it took some time and effort to set stuff up on the spare... |
| 19:31.54 | RichiH | Phated: depends. most people don't know how to set a route once they go static |
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| 19:33.04 | CyberK | how can force some package to install (despite that it says that there is a file that belongs to other package)? |
| 19:33.13 | asg | CyberK: dpkg --force-help |
| 19:33.47 | Phated | RichiH: Ah. |
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| 19:34.36 | NekkoChan | it says there is no package called debcomf |
| 19:34.43 | greycat | debconf |
| 19:34.50 | EmleyMoor | NekkoChan: There is if you spell it right |
| 19:34.59 | NekkoChan | oh :P helps if i spell it right |
| 19:35.10 | pureone | ive got a bit of a problem i configured ssh wrong when i did apt-get upgrade now i cant find the correct command to reconfigure it with dialog.... does anyone know what it is... ive tryed dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server ,dpkg-reconfigure ssh but none of them ask me anything :( |
| 19:35.30 | azeem | dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 19:35.31 | websdale | NekkoChan: sorry I put a spurious space in its "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 19:35.33 | azeem | probably |
| 19:35.44 | greycat | pureone: depends on version of debian. |
| 19:35.46 | azeem | pureone: there's also configure-debian, which is a frontend to dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:37.23 | NekkoChan | ok i typed this "dpkg -reconfigure debconf" and it responds conflicting actions, control and remove |
| 19:37.41 | greycat | NekkoChan: dpkg-reconfigure has no spaces in it. |
| 19:37.46 | CyberK | asg, thanx |
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| 19:37.50 | pureone | testing/unstable |
| 19:37.51 | asg | CyberK: you're welcome |
| 19:37.56 | NekkoChan | ok |
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| 19:38.32 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
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| 19:38.44 | mlalkaka | has anyone been experiencing problems with esd on debian testing? |
| 19:38.54 | nse | what means the numbers that come before a pci device description in the lspci outup? |
| 19:39.04 | NekkoChan | yay thank you , that was easy |
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| 19:39.56 | mlalkaka | has anyone had gnome hang during login? |
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| 19:40.43 | mlalkaka | is it possible to have alsa and esd using the same sound device? gnome uses esd and beep-media-player uses alsa (or at least i want it to) |
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| 19:42.51 | RichiH | is there a command line tool to watch disk i/o? |
| 19:43.23 | asg | RichiH: iostat, vmstat (or are you referring to per process) |
| 19:43.26 | kspath__ | iostat/? |
| 19:43.45 | kspath__ | sorry can not type |
| 19:43.59 | RichiH | asg, kspath__ thanks :) |
| 19:44.02 | omega2005 | hi friends of debian channel, could anyone help me with building a debian package? |
| 19:44.07 | pureone | ive been looking in /var/log/dpkg.log but i cant find anything about ssh other then openssh-server & ssh and both of them dont ask me anything when i try to reconfigure it |
| 19:44.10 | asg | RichiH: :) |
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| 19:44.55 | DoppelGanger | ah ah |
| 19:45.07 | nse | what means the numbers that come before a pci device description in the lspci outup? |
| 19:45.15 | karsten | pureone: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 19:45.21 | Gathond | nse: its address |
| 19:45.30 | karsten | pureone: ...ah, Tried that.... |
| 19:45.44 | karsten | pureone: ...what happens when you do this? |
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| 19:45.57 | RichiH | asg: normally, i use gkrellm, but this crap knoppix i have to use to recover this box does not have gkrellm installed :/ |
| 19:46.00 | omega2005 | i have a little problem, i have a project developed on Kdevelop and Qmake. i am adding a group of file to install on package |
| 19:46.11 | karsten | pureone: ...and alternatively, aptitude purge ssh; aptitude install ssh. |
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| 19:46.24 | karsten | pureone: ...which will remove the package, and its config, then reinstall it. |
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| 19:46.41 | karsten | pureone: Should happen out of your package cache, so the time lag will be minimal. |
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| 19:46.47 | nse | Gathond: so it is an internal number with nothing to do with the driver itself? |
| 19:46.48 | omega2005 | in fact i can see the makefile generated by qmake and it shows the rules to install the executable and other files |
| 19:46.51 | pureone | does aptitude require x ? |
| 19:47.08 | greycat | pureone: no |
| 19:47.15 | pureone | ok cool |
| 19:47.17 | Gathond | nse: it is afaik the address on the PCI bus of the device, so it have nothing as such to do with the driver no |
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| 19:47.47 | omega2005 | but when i try #dpkg-buildpackage it creates the debian package but without installing the files |
| 19:47.48 | Gathond | nse: but lspci does not care about drivers, it lists stuff registred on the PCI bus, regardless of wether the OS have a driver loaded for the device or not |
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| 19:48.15 | omega2005 | could anyone help me to find out how i resolve that? |
| 19:48.25 | nse | Gathond: I undertand |
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| 19:48.51 | luulis | omega2005: eh? dpkg-buildpackage only builds the package, not install it |
| 19:49.10 | nse | Gathond: i mistyped driver, device |
| 19:49.27 | Gathond | nse: ahhh ok :) |
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| 19:51.03 | omega2005 | luulis, yes you are right, but when i see the contents of the package with dpkg -c file.deb it does not have the files |
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| 19:51.13 | Mark62756 | hello everyone |
| 19:51.20 | karsten | !tell pureone about aptitude |
| 19:51.25 | Mark62756 | quick question how do i remove a package with apt? |
| 19:51.28 | karsten | pureone: Get used to using aptitude rather than apt-get. |
| 19:51.38 | Hiruko | apt-get remove |
| 19:51.44 | Mark62756 | ahh thanks tons Hiruko |
| 19:51.45 | karsten | Mark62756: man apt-get aptitude |
| 19:51.51 | Mark62756 | mmm good idea |
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| 19:52.26 | Hiruko | np |
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| 19:52.42 | v0L7r[-]n | Has anyone run two linux distros on a split hard-drive with grub or lilo ? |
| 19:52.50 | drac | Aptitude doesn't respect dselect (dpkg?) package holds. Only reason stopping me to use it atm. |
| 19:52.51 | Hiruko | heh |
| 19:52.52 | Hiruko | doing that now |
| 19:52.54 | Hiruko | with grub |
| 19:52.56 | drac | Known bug. :\ |
| 19:53.05 | v0L7r[-]n | does it auto detect |
| 19:53.11 | Hiruko | it did with debian |
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| 19:53.16 | greycat | v0L7r[-]n: yes |
| 19:53.17 | Hiruko | if it doesn't just remember the old configs |
| 19:53.23 | v0L7r[-]n | whats the other distro |
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| 19:54.40 | knighttemplar | hey can someone help me |
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| 19:54.43 | karsten | drac: IIRC I've filed a bug on that. |
| 19:54.55 | pureone | ok thanks alot that worked |
| 19:54.56 | karsten | !tell knighttemplar about ask |
| 19:54.57 | knighttemplar | what do i have to edit to make the power turn off |
| 19:55.00 | v0L7r[-]n | I tried it with mandriva 10.2 already installed then tried to install fC4 on the other half of the hard drive but the mandriva one doesn't get noticed anymore |
| 19:55.14 | greycat | and this has... what to do with #debian? |
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| 19:55.34 | v0L7r[-]n | Because i will be doing a stable and a unstable |
| 19:55.35 | shingouz | v0L7r[-]n: are you sure yo are asking this in the correct channel? how about some place with mandriva or fedora? |
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| 19:55.48 | karsten | v0L7r[-]n: Modify your bootloader to have a stanza for the other distro(s). Note that only *ONE* distro should manage the bootloader. You'll have to handle things like kernel updates manually. |
| 19:55.50 | shingouz | v0L7r[-]n: no you will not. you do not want to play with Sid |
| 19:55.59 | v0L7r[-]n | It has to do with the Grub loader |
| 19:56.10 | greycat | v0L7r[-]n: learn how to configure it |
| 19:56.16 | bsims | v0L7r[-]n: or at least not ATM |
| 19:56.19 | karsten | v0L7r[-]n: Alternatively, you may want to look at something like Xen, user-mode linux, or qemu to allow running multiple instances simultaneously. |
| 19:56.21 | v0L7r[-]n | ok I see like xorg.conf |
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| 19:56.27 | pzn | I need to make a Debian file server that will have one exported nfs filesystem. I intend to put 6x 400GB-HD with raid5 to have one ext3 filesystem of 2TB. Will this reach any limit with Debian + default kernel? This server will keep daily recorded mpegs of security cameras... |
| 19:57.03 | karsten | pzn: Should be fine. |
| 19:57.04 | v0L7r[-]n | So it won't automatically notice two different distros of linux, Why is that ? |
| 19:57.25 | knighttemplar | hey how can i turn the power off when shutting down |
| 19:57.33 | bsims | pre-ABI transition it was nice and stable but ATM it's too unstable <g> |
| 19:57.39 | FieldySnuts | it's not supposed to automatically "notice", you configure it on your own |
| 19:57.43 | karsten | v0L7r[-]n: Because there isn't, *within* a given distro, a meta-management utility capable of detecting multiple Linux install.s |
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| 19:57.51 | karsten | v0L7r[-]n: It's easy enough to configure this yourself in GRUB. |
| 19:57.57 | dhn- | I have two debian boxes one with dynamic ip and the other with static ip. I can reach the gateway from both, but the internet only from the box with dynamic ip |
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| 19:58.04 | v0L7r[-]n | ok ok |
| 19:58.15 | karsten | v0L7r[-]n: xen may or may not provide the management tools you're looking for, I haven't explored it in depth yet. |
| 19:58.17 | v0L7r[-]n | I'll hit the books |
| 19:58.20 | shingouz | knighttemplar: with the power switch? |
| 19:58.24 | BATMAN_ | hi, I've got this simple question. How Do I start kde as root? |
| 19:58.49 | bsims | edit kdm/gdm to allow root logins |
| 19:58.57 | karsten | v0L7r[-]n: info grub. What you want to do is define one or more additional stanzas with alternate root FS, and possibly alternate kernel specs. |
| 19:58.58 | rob_lt | BATMAN_, you don't |
| 19:58.59 | CBTC | now that's what I call pretty weird and sweet all int he same boat |
| 19:58.59 | karsten | BATMAN_: Don't. |
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| 19:59.19 | bsims | You can but its bad idea |
| 19:59.20 | knighttemplar | shingpouz: nope autoamatically , when ii shut down the pc , tit kills everything and when is about to shut down it says power off |
| 19:59.32 | knighttemplar | but the power doesn't go |
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| 19:59.52 | karsten | BATMAN_: apt-cache show sux. Install it if you don't have it. Don't run graphical environments as root. If you need to run a specific tool as another user, you can readily. |
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| 20:00.02 | shingouz | knighttemplar: do you have apmd installed? |
| 20:00.07 | CBTC | I have tried installing numerous distro's to my server.... to no prevail.... and I mean numerous.... I was then referred to debian by a close friend who said it was very stable and very secure.. highly recommended for a server... and what do ya know... installed flawlessly, and seems to be the only distro that will install to that system.... |
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| 20:00.34 | karsten | CBTC: Life is like a box of Linux distros.... |
| 20:00.35 | BATMAN_ | karsten: just for testing purposes |
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| 20:00.43 | knighttemplar | shingouz: yes |
| 20:00.46 | karsten | CBTC: And my momma always told me, booting is as booting does. |
| 20:00.47 | CBTC | so.... welcome me to the New Debian world |
| 20:00.49 | pzn | karsten, ok, one ext3 filesystem of 2TB is ok. do you know the ext3 limit (or there is no limit)? |
| 20:00.54 | CBTC | =) |
| 20:00.57 | karsten | BATMAN_: Um. WTF is it you're testing exactly? |
| 20:01.09 | karsten | pzn: GIYF. |
| 20:01.13 | karsten | pzn: IIRC it's petabytes. |
| 20:01.23 | shingouz | knighttemplar: how is your bios set up then? if it has some misconfig it will not shut down |
| 20:01.27 | Gathond | pzn: there is always a limit |
| 20:01.42 | bsims | CBTC: I came to debian after I got tired of paying to update my SuSE box. (upgrades between versions were not supported...) If I wanted to reformat/reinstall to do a update I'd be running Windows |
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| 20:01.49 | karsten | pzn: TB filesystems are old hat. |
| 20:01.53 | mlalkaka | does anyone here use enlightenment? |
| 20:02.05 | knighttemplar | shingouz:i don't think it's bios , i think is debian i read the other day about this though i didn't pay atention |
| 20:02.09 | CBTC | so far I am highly impressed, there's good eye candy for the little bit I do use... and package updating/installing is awesome... |
| 20:02.14 | bsims | mlalkaka: nope I use Windwomaker with KDE apps |
| 20:02.20 | knighttemplar | shingouz: you had to modify a file |
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| 20:02.32 | CBTC | bsims: exactly..... |
| 20:02.47 | pzn | Gathond, yes, but this limit may be more than the (ide/scsi/sata interfaces * size of bigger HD), so the limit will not be the ext3 :-) |
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| 20:02.56 | shingouz | knighttemplar: in that case i do not know. i would start looking at the problem from the bios, then go into the rest of the system |
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| 20:03.15 | Whisky_ | How can I read mail that has been sent to me? I have postfix installed and i can send messages. I also have MX records. |
| 20:03.18 | Gathond | pzn: the current limit is probably in the addressing bits in SATA,scsi and so forth, more than in ext3 yes |
| 20:03.21 | v0L7r[-]n | When I intalled my distro and configured the Grub it found a image of the kernal, Thats probably what I need to do is specify the one for the other distroy thats already installed or it will be left out |
| 20:03.22 | CBTC | on ym old* server I was running LineOX, a very nice distro based on RHEL4, but I got to say, thus far Debian seems to be matching it in every way |
| 20:03.23 | shingouz | knighttemplar: that is if the computer supports poweroff in the first place. older hardware does not |
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| 20:03.24 | karsten | !tell mlalkaka about polls |
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| 20:03.40 | karsten | bsims: wmaker rocks ;-) |
| 20:03.54 | shingouz | v0L7r[-]n: kernel. not kernal. kernel with an e |
| 20:04.03 | karsten | Whisky_: With a mua. mutt, evolution, sylpheed, thunderbird, kmail, are several. |
| 20:04.04 | LuCkYaN | what is good stable or unstable? |
| 20:04.12 | rbochan | define good |
| 20:04.14 | LuCkYaN | what's much better? |
| 20:04.16 | knighttemplar | shingouz: i don't thinks it |
| 20:04.17 | v0L7r[-]n | put the hammer to grammer |
| 20:04.17 | shingouz | LuCkYaN: if you have to ask, stable |
| 20:04.24 | karsten | Whisky_: If you're receiving mail it's probably in /var/spool/mail/<username> if you haven't done anything special. |
| 20:04.33 | Whisky_ | ahh k |
| 20:04.34 | mlalkaka | karsten, sorry |
| 20:04.40 | knighttemplar | shingouz: it's hardware my pc always turned off automatically , with windows and other distros |
| 20:04.43 | LuCkYaN | many friends tell me that unstable is better... |
| 20:04.47 | karsten | LuCkYaN: What's your objective? Desktop / server? What's your skill level? |
| 20:04.49 | LuCkYaN | it's more updated |
| 20:04.57 | CBTC | but geez, only one complaint really,... I thought RH and MDK had lots of CD's for installing... I was at awe when I saw 12 CD's for Debian, but then I walked into the light... and found the netinstall CD |
| 20:04.59 | CBTC | =) |
| 20:05.03 | shingouz | knighttemplar: in that case it has to be the software then. i have no idea how to make it work |
| 20:05.04 | bsims | CBTC: now I am a Debian user who hangs out with Sid |
| 20:05.05 | karsten | LuCkYaN: If you have to ask, do stable, it's current ATM. When you're comfortable, you can move on. |
| 20:05.12 | LuCkYaN | karsten, desktop much |
| 20:05.20 | shingouz | LuCkYaN: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:05.22 | shingouz | read and weep |
| 20:05.26 | Whisky_ | karsten: i have the file "root" there but its totally empty. :/ |
| 20:05.32 | karsten | shingouz: weep and read. |
| 20:05.34 | knighttemplar | shingouz: no problem , ill give it a search and then come back |
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| 20:05.46 | karsten | Whisky_: What's your username? |
| 20:05.49 | bsims | LuCkYaN: Sid is named for the Boy Who Breaks Toys for a /REASON/ these days |
| 20:05.54 | stew | LuCkYaN: if you have to ask you should not be running unstable |
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| 20:06.04 | karsten | Whisky_: echo "test mail" | mail -s "Test mail" $USER |
| 20:06.15 | Whisky_ | karsten: "whisky" but its not there though as I havent sent/received from it. I HAVE from "root" and its there but the file is empty :/ |
| 20:06.15 | karsten | Whisky_: ... then 'mail' or 'mailx' should show if you've got any mail. 'man mail mailx' for details. |
| 20:06.41 | Seb | Whisky_: do what karsten said |
| 20:06.48 | Whisky_ | mail: You must specify direct recipients with -s, -c, or -b |
| 20:06.56 | karsten | Whisky_: Check your mail logs. They'll show any received mail and where it went to. Check /etc/aliases to see where root's mail is delivered. Usually you configure it to go to a specified user. |
| 20:07.00 | Seb | Whisky_: use mailx |
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| 20:07.07 | karsten | Seb: Can I hire you? |
| 20:07.14 | Whisky_ | No mail for root |
| 20:07.16 | karsten | Seb: ...just walk around following me repeating that... ;-) |
| 20:07.19 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 20:07.20 | karsten | Whisky_: ^^ |
| 20:07.27 | Seb | karsten: haha |
| 20:07.32 | Seb | karsten: nah I have a good job already ;) |
| 20:07.46 | karsten | Seb: Heh. |
| 20:07.46 | Whisky_ | This sucks. I never receive mail :[ |
| 20:07.58 | CBTC | which deb, is considered stable and rdy for production use |
| 20:07.58 | Spec | You must feel lonely :-/ |
| 20:08.05 | karsten | Whisky_: Did you just send as I showed you? |
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| 20:08.13 | Seb | Whisky_: echo "test mail" | mailx -s "Test mail" $USER do that as whisky, not as root |
| 20:08.18 | karsten | Whisky_: If so: READ YOUR !@#$%^&*() mail logs to find out where it went. |
| 20:08.19 | Whisky_ | kl |
| 20:08.20 | Seb | karsten: of course not |
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| 20:08.31 | shingouz | CBTC: stable is considered stable. sarge is the codename |
| 20:08.35 | karsten | Seb: Bingo... |
| 20:08.39 | eguzkia | hi someone knows problem about pythin IDLE 2.4 |
| 20:08.45 | karsten | Seb: Some people just like to bitch... |
| 20:08.47 | Spec | unstable is considered ... unstable? o.O |
| 20:08.51 | Seb | eguzkia: state your problem |
| 20:08.52 | Whisky_ | karsten: Yeah i got the mail :/ |
| 20:08.56 | Seb | karsten: mos def |
| 20:09.00 | karsten | Spec: /msg dpkg sid |
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| 20:09.04 | Seb | Spec: that was pretty deep |
| 20:09.07 | Spec | karsten: sorry, sarcasm doesn't work on the intarweb :p |
| 20:09.10 | nse | i installed a graphical driver from a .deb with dpkg -i to a savage s3 VGA device. it is ok to just restart x or a i have to do any change with dpkg-recofigure xserver-free86 to make the new drivers to work? |
| 20:09.17 | eguzkia | Seb: IDLE 2.4 stop the system after few minutes! |
| 20:09.20 | karsten | Spec: ?? What's mos def? |
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| 20:09.27 | jim | Spec: it doesn't??! really!!? |
| 20:09.32 | Seb | karsten: most definitely |
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| 20:09.36 | Spec | jim: hmm, it seems to sometimes :p |
| 20:09.36 | Seb | jim: :) |
| 20:09.44 | karsten | Seb: Ah... |
| 20:09.44 | CBTC | I believe I install 3.1_r0a |
| 20:09.45 | Seb | eguzkia: so your get a kernel crash when using IDLE ? |
| 20:09.53 | Spec | jim: I could just as easily assume you're serious, and yet 11 :p |
| 20:09.58 | karsten | Whisky_: Good. Your mail works. |
| 20:09.59 | eguzkia | Seb: may be |
| 20:10.02 | Seb | eguzkia: you are using Debian right ? |
| 20:10.07 | karsten | Whisky_: ...your next step is to get some friends, to send you mail. |
| 20:10.19 | eguzkia | Seb: yes |
| 20:10.20 | karsten | Whisky_: ...or post your address here. I've got 120k spams I can send you.... |
| 20:10.21 | Whisky_ | karsten: Sent from my gmail account. let me check. |
| 20:10.33 | knighttemplar | anybody expierenc problems while turning off DEBIAN? |
| 20:10.34 | Seb | eguzkia: and you have checked the Bug Tracking System already, of course ? |
| 20:10.41 | jim | Spec: you could just as easily assume someone you;re talking to right in front of your face is serious... |
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| 20:10.51 | hex_ffff | Does anyone know how to get the current running program to show up in the tabs in gnome-terminal? |
| 20:10.52 | Seb | knighttemplar: how about describing the fucking problems, to start with ? |
| 20:10.59 | Spec | jim: yes, i have that problem often ;p |
| 20:11.01 | eguzkia | Seb: no |
| 20:11.02 | Seb | unbelievable the amount of guessing people think we should be doing |
| 20:11.04 | jim | but whatever... I don't even know what this is about :P |
| 20:11.07 | Seb | eguzkia: then go do that |
| 20:11.12 | Spec | knighttemplar: err, yeah, it tends to shutdown; major problem :-/ |
| 20:11.14 | nse | i installed a graphical driver from a .deb with dpkg -i to a savage s3 VGA device. it is ok to just restart x or a i have to do any change with dpkg-recofigure xserver-free86 to make the new drivers to work? |
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| 20:11.21 | eguzkia | Seb: how ? |
| 20:11.29 | karsten | Whisky_: You can test your MX directly w/ telnet & RFC 2821 commands. 'HELO localhost<return> MAIL FROM me@localhost<return> RCPT TO: whiskey@your-domain-here<return>' |
| 20:11.38 | Seb | nse: well you need to edit your xf86Config-4 to use this new driver |
| 20:11.42 | Spec | nse: you need to change the driver name in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:11.47 | Seb | eguzkia: ask google about Bug Tracking System |
| 20:11.48 | karsten | Whisky_: ...should give you a '250 OK'. Port 25, BTW, on telnet: telnet <your MX> 25 |
| 20:11.48 | Spec | damn you Seb |
| 20:11.51 | Whisky_ | YES! |
| 20:11.53 | Whisky_ | I got the mail :D |
| 20:11.55 | Seb | Spec: :> |
| 20:11.57 | karsten | !tell eguzkia about bts |
| 20:12.04 | Whisky_ | karsten: thanx!! :D |
| 20:12.07 | Whisky_ | Seb: Thanks!! |
| 20:12.07 | karsten | Whisky_: Buy some friends. |
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| 20:12.09 | Seb | np |
| 20:12.18 | Spec | karsten: the cheque's in the mail |
| 20:12.19 | CBTC | where's a good guide to using Deb |
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| 20:12.29 | Spec | CBTC: www.debian.org is a good place to start |
| 20:12.31 | CBTC | I want ot get the FULL experience, ya know |
| 20:12.34 | Seb | CBTC: anything specific you wanna learn ? |
| 20:12.44 | nse | Seb, Spec: in which part of the file essentilally? |
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| 20:12.51 | CBTC | well.. I'm very curious about these .deb files |
| 20:12.53 | karsten | Spec: ;-) |
| 20:12.55 | Seb | nse: the "driver" thing i think |
| 20:12.57 | Spec | nse: probably a line that looks like "Driver" or "Module" |
| 20:13.05 | Error_X | I created a bootdisk by using mkboot, but when I try to load it up it says: unable to open /dev/console or something like that... Kernel panic |
| 20:13.08 | Seb | CBTC: http://deb.riseup.net/ is pretty serious |
| 20:13.11 | Seb | Spec: heh |
| 20:13.14 | Spec | nse: You need to know the name of the driver though... |
| 20:13.18 | jim | CBTC: first off, you gotta start getting into the bash shell (or any shell you want really... that shell should be your default shell) |
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| 20:13.21 | CBTC | Seb: ty |
| 20:13.26 | knighttemplar | SEB: thhe computer doesn't turn off , it kills all the programs , stops the GUI and then it says POWER OFF |
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| 20:13.31 | karsten | CBTC: Osamu Aoki's guide is what I recommend. General tools & stuff. What's your Linux / Unix background? |
| 20:13.39 | Seb | knighttemplar: ok, that's better. Is it an older box ? |
| 20:13.42 | knighttemplar | SEB: but doesn't turn off automatically as it should |
| 20:13.52 | Spec | knighttemplar: you need to set up powermanagement goodness |
| 20:13.54 | nse | Spec: the name of the driver will be something like: savage_drv.o ? |
| 20:13.54 | karsten | Error_X: Bad initrd image. Ran across a similar bug w/ Ubuntu last night. Google your error + "debian". |
| 20:14.01 | Spec | nse: no .o |
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| 20:14.03 | CBTC | karsten: started With Gentoo stage1 then moved on to FC3 then to LineOX ( about 2 years total ) |
| 20:14.03 | Spec | nse: but yes :p |
| 20:14.04 | shingouz | !tell knighttemplar about nicktab |
| 20:14.04 | knighttemplar | seb: P3 |
| 20:14.05 | bsims | Hrm upon reading the Debian Sid FAQ, I presume the answer to the questions they asked about broken programs is the old "boot w/ live cd... chroot to / ... manually un ar and untar the deb |
| 20:14.16 | Spec | CBTC: gentoo TO FC3? o.O |
| 20:14.21 | karsten | CBTC: Gento is one step on the long road from Debian to Debian. |
| 20:14.22 | Seb | knighttemplar: did you compile your kernel yourself ? |
| 20:14.24 | FieldySnuts | yech |
| 20:14.25 | CBTC | yea i know, slap me now |
| 20:14.28 | jim | CBTC: second, you should explore your file system (cd /, ls, see something interesting, cd there, ls, see something interesting, cd there, ls, ...) |
| 20:14.29 | strk | I've dist-upgraded and now X fonts are screwed... do you know what can I look at ? |
| 20:14.30 | Spec | !tell me about nicktab |
| 20:14.36 | FieldySnuts | i like gentoo. but fc? HEH |
| 20:14.42 | Spec | yeah |
| 20:14.44 | Spec | *coughcough* |
| 20:14.55 | strk | in particular, fvwm2 default fonts are BIT pixelized one |
| 20:14.58 | Whisky_ | karsten: Rest works but dont receive mail for root :\ |
| 20:14.58 | CBTC | quite familiar with *exploring the fs |
| 20:15.04 | knighttemplar | SEB: not exactly me , i did an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 20:15.33 | CBTC | karsten: well my friend who recommended me to Deb, swears his life by it and says he'll never move to anything else |
| 20:15.49 | bsims | Hrm upon reading the Debian Sid FAQ, I presume the answer to the questions they asked about broken programs is the old "boot w/ live cd... chroot to / ... manually un ar and untar the deb" Could someone correct me / let me know I'm right <g> |
| 20:15.49 | jim | CBTC: good... you should do that... what about shell usage? shell scripting? |
| 20:15.54 | Seb | knighttemplar: hmm, than if you have a debian kernel iamge, you might want to look in your BIOS for autopoweroff options or somethign |
| 20:16.02 | CBTC | yes FC was a VERY BAD idea, lasted about 2 weeks tops |
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| 20:16.16 | nse | Spec: can i msg you a section of my life to show you the idea of it? |
| 20:16.16 | knighttemplar | ill try that then BRRB |
| 20:16.24 | greycat | bsims: depends on what's broken. that works pretty often. |
| 20:16.25 | CBTC | jim: no scripting, although Ive been tinkering with php (off-topic i know ) |
| 20:16.29 | nse | Spec: *file |
| 20:16.30 | shingouz | bsims: it is about Sid. Sid breaks systems from time to time |
| 20:16.36 | karsten | Whisky_: Is there a 'root' entry in /etc/aliases? |
| 20:16.39 | nse | Spec: isahshsuiahs |
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| 20:16.49 | CBTC | jim: i'd liek to get into some shell scripting |
| 20:16.54 | Whisky_ | karsten: Yeah... |
| 20:17.00 | CBTC | s/liek/like |
| 20:17.04 | delire | i see xorg is in unstable. anyone here successfully running it with the ATI fglrx driver? |
| 20:17.10 | karsten | Whisky_: ...what I told you before: *READ* your aliases file. *READ* your mail delivery logs. |
| 20:17.11 | jim | CBTC: that's good... and shell -scripting- isn't a must... but it can help you with everyday shell -usage- |
| 20:17.15 | Whisky_ | No, there isnt |
| 20:17.17 | Whisky_ | none* |
| 20:17.19 | rbochan | CBTC: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue52/okopnik2.html |
| 20:17.36 | karsten | CBTC: Two good docs: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/quick-reference.en.html |
| 20:17.39 | karsten | Whisky_: "Yeah" what? "OK, I'm doing that?" "Yes, I did that?" |
| 20:17.51 | bsims | greycat: thats what I thought... but when won't that work? |
| 20:17.52 | Whisky_ | well ok there is one "postmaster: root" |
| 20:17.52 | Whisky_ | :D |
| 20:17.55 | karsten | CBTC: ...and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 20:18.08 | bsims | shingouz: Yeah thats why Sid is the boy who breaks toys |
| 20:18.14 | dhn- | how to restart nework with rebooting ? |
| 20:18.21 | CBTC | ty every1, much appreciated.... |
| 20:18.27 | karsten | dhn-: man interfaces |
| 20:18.29 | delire | dhn- /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:18.36 | bsims | shingouz: but I was just wanting to make sure that I knew how to fix it <g> |
| 20:18.42 | karsten | dhn-: Set your interface(s) to0 auto. |
| 20:18.44 | karsten | dhn-: *with* or *without*? |
| 20:18.52 | shingouz | bsims: with a lot of caffeine and tylenol |
| 20:18.52 | CBTC | I'm about to jump right in and get Deb to work, it is a www server i speak of |
| 20:18.54 | jim | CBTC: I take it you're familiar to some degree with shell usage? |
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| 20:19.12 | bsims | shingouz: s/tylenol/whiskey |
| 20:19.13 | rbochan | bsims: guns... lost of guns... |
| 20:19.23 | bsims | rbochan: got about 7 last count |
| 20:19.26 | CBTC | jim: somewhat, not too much though.... |
| 20:19.29 | Spec | nse: no |
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| 20:19.43 | shingouz | bsims: i think that would be about the same as installing experimental on the system from the start ;) |
| 20:19.49 | delire | dhn- install 'ifplugd' if you want to plug in a RJ45 cable and have it auto pump for an IP, given your /etc/network/interfaces file includes the auto eth* karsten mentions. |
| 20:19.50 | nse | Seb: there is a part of if that seems to be the video card settings. look here: Identifier"Generic Video Card" Driver "vesa" do i have to change vesa to the new name of my driver? can i put any label in identifier ? |
| 20:19.55 | nse | Spec: sorry |
| 20:19.58 | karsten | jim: He's got 2-3 years Linux experience, Gentoo, FC. |
| 20:20.00 | bsims | shingouz: heh |
| 20:20.09 | Spec | nse: it's just that I know what XF86Config-4 looks like, i don't need that file :p |
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| 20:20.19 | jim | I'm not saying you must know shell first... but it's a very powerful tool, and you might study the shell of your choice (maybe that's bash, maybe soemthing else) on an ongoing basis |
| 20:20.22 | Spec | nse: can you send me the dpkg -L <filename.deb> where filename.deb is the driver |
| 20:20.23 | bsims | I delibertly picked a root password that I can't type drunk <g> |
| 20:20.32 | CBTC | I's also liek to check into encryption.... I like to know how in windows my passwd's have to be short.... in *nix i can get the passwd length i want... (min 50 char) |
| 20:20.45 | Spec | nse: i'll be back in ~7-10 mins, gotta drop off a package |
| 20:20.54 | shingouz | bsims: i deliberately picked myself as i do not drink :p |
| 20:20.59 | delire | bsims don' |
| 20:21.02 | OldakQuill | I'm trying to 'make' something but keep getting the following error: |
| 20:21.04 | OldakQuill | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 20:21.04 | OldakQuill | make: *** [modules] Error 2 |
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| 20:21.18 | delire | bsims "Don't drink and su" as they say. looks like you have a good catchall. |
| 20:21.20 | OldakQuill | I've apt-got sources and headers, but not sure where to make link between |
| 20:21.28 | bsims | greycat: I can't think of anything that the old chroot trick shouldn't be able to fix... what did you have in mind |
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| 20:21.59 | bsims | delire: "Root, god. What is differnce?" "God forgives" |
| 20:22.02 | nse | what is the dpkg flag to remove a package from the system? |
| 20:22.09 | delire | ok, so howabout anyone here successfully running xorg with an ATI card on DRI? |
| 20:22.13 | jim | dpkg --help |
| 20:22.14 | Krause | man dpkg? |
| 20:22.18 | Krause | dpkg --help ? |
| 20:22.25 | delire | bsims: this is humbling yet true. |
| 20:22.25 | Krause | ... O_o |
| 20:22.35 | karsten | bsims: Choice. |
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| 20:22.44 | FieldySnuts | delire: not with ati's own drivers. ati as usual is very far behind |
| 20:22.45 | ValheruLord | hi all... i installed xorg in debian ... but it gives no screens founds.. i tried with both nv and nvidia.. can anyone help? |
| 20:23.05 | FieldySnuts | wow the xorg question onslaught has started a lot earlier than I expected |
| 20:23.07 | delire | FieldySnuts: they are improving. i run fglrx here and it's a good performer |
| 20:23.12 | karsten | ValheruLord: server or client? |
| 20:23.17 | karsten | FieldySnuts: You're naive.... |
| 20:23.25 | FieldySnuts | karsten: you're a troll |
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| 20:23.26 | ValheruLord | http://un4gotten.linux-sevenler.org/xorg.conf karsten |
| 20:23.29 | greycat | bsims: well, for starters... you can't chroot into /foo if /foo/lib/ld-linux* is hosed, or /foo/bin/sh, or /foo/lib/libc* .... |
| 20:23.32 | jim | Krause: xorg is in unstable... if you want to run that, fine. but if that is the case, KNOW that we probably cannot support you since it |
| 20:23.34 | karsten | FieldySnuts: You noticed! |
| 20:23.36 | delire | ValheruLord: nvidia-glx is broken with corg |
| 20:23.37 | jim | is new) |
| 20:23.44 | delire | ValheruLord: s/corg/xorg |
| 20:23.46 | ValheruLord | karsten : both i think because the dist-upgrade made the changs |
| 20:23.52 | FieldySnuts | in debian maybe, anywhere else it works |
| 20:23.53 | rbochan | ValheruLord: clicky clicky http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 20:23.55 | FieldySnuts | so it's just a matter of time |
| 20:24.05 | Krause | ehrrr... |
| 20:24.11 | ValheruLord | i tried with nv too |
| 20:24.12 | delire | ValheruLord: apparently the ATI cards are ok however. |
| 20:24.31 | abrotman | !xorg-nvidia is http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 20:24.31 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 20:24.54 | karsten | ValheruLord: What's your X startup log say? Should be in /var/log. W/ XF86 it's /var/log/XFree86.0.log, so I'd presume x.org something. |
| 20:24.55 | stew | abrotman: can you update <get xorg> |
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| 20:25.03 | nse | look my outpu. i can't go round that package: Gaspar:/home/leo# apt-get install s3savage-driver_1.1.23t-1_i386.deb |
| 20:25.03 | nse | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:25.03 | nse | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:25.03 | nse | E: The package s3savage-driver needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 20:25.08 | abrotman | stew: i can .. if there's room |
| 20:25.12 | bsims | greycat: Interesting that I didn't know... but still I can download deb$foo and untar it to /mount/hosed/ correct |
| 20:25.26 | abrotman | !get xorg |
| 20:25.26 | dpkg | xorg recently entered unstable. EXPECT MAJOR BREAKAGE. if you were previously running xorg debs from any other source you must remove all traces of xorg packages before you install the official xorg packages, or currently nvidia-glx is not working with xorg. so if you need 3d accel with an nvidia card, don't migrate to xorg, or see <xorg-nvidia> |
| 20:25.33 | abrotman | stew: ! |
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| 20:25.51 | azeem | delire: people said that backport isn't up to it, the C++ transition needs to be reverted for sarge |
| 20:25.51 | greycat | bsims: the point is that we can't give recipes for every conceivable disaster |
| 20:25.55 | m13a8 | hey i need to get to a network configureation menu how do i do this |
| 20:25.55 | stew | ok someone got to it already |
| 20:25.58 | CBTC | exec -o mozilla --url http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/quick-reference.en.html |
| 20:26.01 | delire | azeem: right.. |
| 20:26.04 | CBTC | oppps |
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| 20:26.12 | nse | sorry guys |
| 20:26.13 | shaiW | abrotman, are you here? |
| 20:26.18 | CBTC | sorry bout' that |
| 20:26.20 | greycat | m13a8: man interfaces |
| 20:26.20 | CBTC | =) |
| 20:26.22 | abrotman | shaiW: for a bit .. them i'm off to home |
| 20:26.22 | bsims | greycat: true but I was just wanting to know that my instincts were correct <g> |
| 20:26.26 | karsten | !tell nse about flood |
| 20:26.27 | m13a8 | thanks much |
| 20:26.31 | bsims | thanks for the help |
| 20:26.31 | karsten | !tell nse about paster |
| 20:26.38 | nse | sorry! |
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| 20:26.44 | delire | !tell nse about pastry |
| 20:26.45 | nse | don't need to do this, i know |
| 20:26.45 | terr | I am having trouble writing a floppy using dd - it says read only file system. Can anyone tell me what to check for? also - for some reason mount is not working eithe |
| 20:26.52 | ValheruLord | but i also tried with nv i did'nt want the glx driver i want my screen.. :(( |
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| 20:27.13 | karsten | terr: Is the floppy r/o tab set? |
| 20:27.18 | Furball | Are there any gedit-like editors which don't require gnome libraries? |
| 20:27.21 | Krause | terr, have you checked the write-protection on the floppy? |
| 20:27.21 | Vampe1 | this is so frustrating trying to get my screen resolution to not be 640x480 |
| 20:27.24 | jim | nse: then you didn't paste a few seconds ago... or you did paste and did know that it's annoying |
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| 20:27.25 | karsten | Furball: nedit? |
| 20:27.29 | abrotman | Furball: xedit ? |
| 20:27.29 | terr | fdd ir rw |
| 20:27.32 | Krause | Furball, leafpad? |
| 20:27.33 | ValheruLord | how can i set debconf to console frontend manually |
| 20:27.35 | delire | ValheruLord: it's grim for you i'm afraid. perhaps time to try to roll back to XFree86. it will be this way for a couple of weeks i imagine. |
| 20:27.41 | karsten | Furball: ...or gvim? |
| 20:27.43 | shingouz | nse: use dpkg to install the package |
| 20:27.50 | OldakQuill | When I apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8, where is it installed? |
| 20:27.55 | ValheruLord | delire how can i fall back then |
| 20:27.59 | terr | teh mount actually locks up. |
| 20:28.04 | bsims | Hrm, is there a list of all the oddball things people have done to fix hosed machines... I suppose I should start a wiki or something |
| 20:28.04 | abrotman | OldakQuill: /usr/src ? |
| 20:28.05 | EdibleText | OldakQuill, /usr/src/ |
| 20:28.11 | delire | OldakQuill: /usr/src you'll need to tar xvjf it. |
| 20:28.13 | nse | i'm having troubles with a package. i'm with the .deb in my machine. when installinh or remove it says that it needs to be reinstalled but it can't find a file to do so... what to do? |
| 20:28.14 | jim | nse: you've been around a few days at least, that's plenty of time to know people get kicked for that |
| 20:28.16 | karsten | OldakQuill: PWD. |
| 20:28.23 | abrotman | karsten: no |
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| 20:28.31 | OldakQuill | Ah, so it is still tarred? |
| 20:28.33 | karsten | OldakQuill: Um. /usr/src ;-) |
| 20:28.33 | nse | ok jim, i'll do my best |
| 20:28.37 | delire | OldakQuill: yes |
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| 20:28.48 | jim | ValheruLord: look in /usr/src |
| 20:28.48 | karsten | OldakQuill: dpkg -L <package> gives a file list. |
| 20:28.53 | Furball | Thanks all, leafpad seems to be what I'm looking for |
| 20:28.56 | bsims | nse: apt-get install --reinstall PkgFoo? |
| 20:29.04 | terr | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 2, 0 Mar 14 2002 /dev/fd0 <---- looks good |
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| 20:29.07 | abrotman | why still no DSA for libkrb53 ? |
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| 20:29.21 | SDFH_Linux | is firefox 1.05 in sid yet? |
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| 20:29.24 | delire | abrotman: tis annoying yes |
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| 20:29.36 | abrotman | delire: well . i'm more concerned than anything |
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| 20:29.44 | rbochan | abrotman: emaikl servers are probably toast from everyone bitching about xorg problems ;) |
| 20:29.47 | nse | bsims: the same output i'm receiving with the other things. when removing, installing, reinstalling... !? |
| 20:29.55 | bsims | nope still on 1.0.4 |
| 20:29.57 | abrotman | rbochan: i doubt that .. |
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| 20:30.15 | bsims | !tell nse about reportbug |
| 20:30.22 | nse | od |
| 20:30.26 | delire | uriel: true |
| 20:30.28 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: packages.d.o |
| 20:30.41 | flok420 | hi debian 3.1 gets a kernel panic over here as it cannot find the volumegroup. what gives? I've created the volumegroup and such with the disk-editor of debian itself |
| 20:30.48 | terr | its like there is some sort of lock on the drive... mount hangs up - it does not return with an error |
| 20:30.51 | delire | out.. |
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| 20:31.22 | Justin | terr: uh, you mean like the little plastic tab on the disk? |
| 20:31.31 | OldakQuill | Then I can 'ln -s' to that folder from /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build? |
| 20:31.37 | jim | flok420: / in an lvm? |
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| 20:31.43 | terr | Justin: no - like there is something in the system that prevents mount from doing anything. |
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| 20:31.55 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 20:31.55 | jim | too much 420! |
| 20:32.02 | Justin | terr: the disk is broken? |
| 20:32.06 | karsten | abrotman: ...wrt 'no' |
| 20:32.06 | flok420 | jim: yes |
| 20:32.08 | terr | why in the hell would mount hang up for 10 minutes? |
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| 20:32.13 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
| 20:32.22 | Withdraw | if i accidentally executed mke2fs "/dev/hda1" and hda1 is my windows fat partition is it fuxoed? |
| 20:32.23 | terr | Justin: not that I know of. I sure don't use it very often mind you. |
| 20:32.26 | karsten | abrotman: 13:28 < abrotman> karsten: no |
| 20:32.33 | Withdraw | " mke2fs /dev/hda1" |
| 20:32.38 | Withdraw | * |
| 20:32.38 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:32.43 | jim | flok420: you got yourself in a bind... did you just install? |
| 20:32.44 | flok420 | jim: should I have putten /boot in a seperate partition outside the lvm? |
| 20:32.47 | karsten | terr: If you've got disk or driver problems, the kernel will block on mount. |
| 20:32.50 | flok420 | jim: yes |
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| 20:32.57 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.02 | flok420 | darn |
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| 20:33.16 | terr | karsten: maybe there is a driver problem. How can I check? |
| 20:33.32 | karsten | terr: 'dmesg' or /var/log/kern.log , etc. |
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| 20:33.38 | flok420 | well, let's reboot then again and give it another try :-) |
| 20:33.38 | covux | i was 3 days offline and now i have xorg in my update list. is there anything i should know except from that i should not wank in the public before dist-upgrade? ;-) |
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| 20:33.47 | KB1FYR | Gah, I'm using the chips drivers, and I can't get anything other than what looks like an 800*600 screen with 640*480 viewing area. |
| 20:33.58 | azol | hi all. which modules do I need to bring working my external usb cdrom drive under 2.6? |
| 20:34.03 | bsims | covux: that xorg is still broken and so is kde libs |
| 20:34.03 | jim | just installed debian? |
| 20:34.23 | KB1FYR | I noticed in Windows that I was able to fix it by installing the chips drivers, but I have them on debian, and it still does it. :-/ |
| 20:34.25 | terr | Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M |
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| 20:34.33 | KB1FYR | !idea |
| 20:34.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | how do you get 800x600 with 640x480 viewing |
| 20:34.36 | covux | bsims: k. thx for the hint |
| 20:34.37 | abrotman | i've seen the reverse |
| 20:34.38 | nse | ahhhh! a package broke my system!!! |
| 20:34.48 | greycat | damned packages. |
| 20:34.58 | karsten | azol: usbcore, usb-storage |
| 20:34.59 | KB1FYR | abrotman: It's very hard to use. I can only see a fraction of what's there. |
| 20:35.01 | jim | covux: you probably shoulnd't wank in public after the dist-upgrade... or during... |
| 20:35.09 | OldakQuill | I've extracted source but am still getting this error message: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 20:35.10 | azeem | greycat: do you remember why you banned *!*@*.session.tor ? |
| 20:35.11 | greycat | or before... |
| 20:35.11 | TheQ` | im getting a whole bunch of this stuff when using apt |
| 20:35.16 | abrotman | KB1FYR: adjust your monitor .. or pick another refresh rate |
| 20:35.16 | TheQ` | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `ttf-bitstream-vera' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 20:35.17 | karsten | azol: ...for starters, or GIYF. |
| 20:35.25 | ValheruLord | http://un4gotten.linux-sevenler.org/Xorg..log take a look please |
| 20:35.26 | greycat | azeem: because it's an anonymizing network of trolls |
| 20:35.37 | greycat | azeem: we can set ban-exceptions for identified nicks |
| 20:35.40 | covux | jim: good point ;-) |
| 20:35.47 | abrotman | Phated: uhm .. come back please? |
| 20:35.48 | ValheruLord | http://un4gotten.linux-sevenler.org/Xorg.0.log take a look pls |
| 20:36.14 | jim | infact wanking in public is probably orthogonal to dist-upgrading :) |
| 20:36.15 | drac | ValheruLord: You have typing error in Line 1 |
| 20:36.22 | drac | ValheruLord: Some weird charter before # |
| 20:36.25 | azeem | greycat: mke (wdcn) [~wonc@3da33aae1d7f60a9.session.tor would like to join, better let him in here than ask in unrelated chans (and ban him if he trolls) |
| 20:36.26 | drac | ValheruLord: in xorg.conf |
| 20:36.29 | greycat | dist-upgrading is more difficult if you're in jail |
| 20:36.36 | bsims | nse: what did you break and what was the package? and was it from Official Debian or was it a third party deb |
| 20:36.40 | TheQ` | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `ttf-bitstream-vera' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 20:36.44 | drac | ValheruLord: did you bother to look that log yourself?! |
| 20:36.48 | nse | greycat: that's my problem. i recently installed this: s3savage-driver_1.1.23t-1_i386.deb with dpkg -i. but now it does not want to be removed nor to reinstalled. it complains that it needs an archive but it don't exist! |
| 20:37.03 | greycat | azeem: tell him to register with nickserv |
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| 20:39.19 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE RELEASED. | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | X.org packages entering unstable today; beware breakage! | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 20:39.22 | EdibleText | oiahsdf, invoke it froma term. you see whats going on |
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| 20:39.33 | oiahsdf | it doesn't log anything that indicates a problem |
| 20:39.35 | azeem | greycat: ekm [~wonc@3da33aae1d7f60a9.session.tor] is an identified user |
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| 20:39.49 | TheQ` | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `ttf-bitstream-vera' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 20:39.50 | oiahsdf | it looks like combat starts, a whole bunch of shots are exchanged |
| 20:39.57 | oiahsdf | oh wait. i know what it was. i enabled android. :( |
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| 20:40.15 | luulis | argh xterm sucks, I can't even switch windows on irssi (alt+num only produces some special chars :( |
| 20:40.22 | charzero | I get "error getting console input handle, code 5" when i try to login to ftp server. happens with both pure-ftp and vsftp. |
| 20:40.23 | shining | does anyone have a toshiba satellite pro? I found a lot of tools for switching between internal/external monitor, but none work |
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| 20:40.27 | azeem | luulis: esc+num |
| 20:40.31 | nse | Justin: when trying to reinstall it. the manager still complaining that it needs a file that does not exist |
| 20:40.37 | bsims | nse: hrm you could force dpg to remove it but that could hose things but good |
| 20:40.37 | shining | the display is selected automatically at boot, and then no way to change it |
| 20:40.38 | FieldySnuts | luulis: i have a fix for that brb |
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| 20:40.47 | Justin | nse: "the manager"? |
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| 20:40.51 | starmax | lo |
| 20:40.57 | nse | Justin: yes. out frind dpkg |
| 20:41.01 | starmax | my boot loader say L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99.. |
| 20:41.07 | nse | Justin: yes. our friend dpkg |
| 20:41.16 | Justin | nse: maybe you should cite actual errors |
| 20:41.37 | FieldySnuts | luulis: echo "XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true" >> ~/.Xdefaults you may need to log out and back in, but irssi in xterm s hould then behave for you |
| 20:41.58 | bsims | FieldySnuts: Eww Xterm, I use mrxvt |
| 20:42.09 | FieldySnuts | i was talking to luulis , bite a dildo |
| 20:42.10 | nse | bsims: so what to do now? |
| 20:42.17 | oiahsdf | edibletext, too bad melee doesn't do network play |
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| 20:42.30 | bsims | PuTTY and GNU Screen... Don't Leave /home Without Them. |
| 20:42.35 | Spec[xx] | nse: did you figure it out? |
| 20:42.38 | bsims | nse: man dpkg |
| 20:42.44 | EdibleText | oiahsdf, do you know if the homeworlds have infinite fighters. Im trying to get the aqua helix |
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| 20:42.59 | EdibleText | oiahsdf, yeah that would be nice |
| 20:43.01 | azeem | greycat: thanks |
| 20:43.19 | jim | why can't he just register? |
| 20:43.37 | nse | Spec[xx]: no, still with problems. now i'm having troubles on installing the .deb driver |
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| 20:43.43 | shaiW | well, I've added the contrib and the non-free to my resource list, but I still can't install th nvidia driver |
| 20:43.43 | greycat | jim: "is an identified user" |
| 20:43.49 | Spec[xx] | nse: sorry, i gotta go, i hope you figure it out ^.^ |
| 20:43.54 | shaiW | is there a command I need to issue for the change to take effect? |
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| 20:43.56 | jim | so he did register |
| 20:43.58 | nse | Spec[xx]: thanks! |
| 20:44.00 | jim | right? |
| 20:44.09 | greycat | yes |
| 20:44.13 | Seb | shaiW: apt-get update |
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| 20:44.23 | shaiW | thanks |
| 20:44.24 | req | hi everybody, I'm triyng to conigure vsftpd if I make a connection via bash I can enter but I can't access via mozilla or any other navigator |
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| 20:44.38 | jim | oh, sure enought, nm |
| 20:44.43 | req | does somebody could helo me? |
| 20:44.45 | wintix | is it possible to save and then reinstall the package selections? |
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| 20:44.52 | jim | helo! |
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| 20:44.59 | rbochan | !cloning |
| 20:45.04 | req | hehehe help me |
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| 20:45.19 | Ronin | patience req |
| 20:45.23 | greycat | wintix: dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:45.25 | greycat | man dpkg |
| 20:45.43 | wintix | greycat: oh. with dpkg, i see. thanks. |
| 20:45.45 | bsims | !cloning |
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| 20:45.56 | jim | gotta tell us in detail why you need help... you might end up in the psych ward that is #ubuntu next door ;) |
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| 20:46.28 | jim | hmm lotta hams |
| 20:46.38 | KB1FYR | Where does the XF86Config file go, and what is it supposed to be called? |
| 20:46.47 | KB1FYR | *where is it supposed to go |
| 20:46.50 | EdibleText | hamtaro? |
| 20:46.51 | bsims | jim: but I thought ubuntu was all bunnies, rainbows, and cute lil kittens... ya mean things break on it too <g> |
| 20:46.56 | shining | does anyone have a toshiba satellite pro? I found a lot of tools for switching between internal/external monitor, but none work |
| 20:46.57 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.57 | greycat | KB1FYR: it's in /etc/X11 |
| 20:47.02 | KB1FYR | ty |
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| 20:47.57 | terr | end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 |
| 20:47.57 | terr | VFS: Disk change detected on device fd(2,0) |
| 20:47.59 | terr | This is really strange - any ideas what it is? |
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| 20:48.02 | jim | (KB1FYR: that's debian specific... it was felt necessary to differentiate between xf3 and xf4) |
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| 20:48.36 | greycat | and it's changed again in sid (X.org) |
| 20:48.41 | KB1FYR | ok |
| 20:48.50 | greycat | it's xorg.conf now in sid/X.org |
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| 20:48.56 | terr | dmesg AFAIK only shows the boot log - adn at boot there was no fdd in the drive - so what's this crap all about? |
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| 20:49.02 | darkskiez | xorgs now in sid? |
| 20:49.08 | azeem | darkskiez: /topic |
| 20:49.13 | greycat | darkskiez: i386 yes. |
| 20:49.18 | greycat | other arches may not be uploaded yet |
| 20:49.22 | jim | terr: so you were skiing,,, and you pulled your skis off, shook the snow or water out of your ears, came in, got a letter from the mailbox, and it said all that? |
| 20:49.25 | azeem | two other arches built fine at least |
| 20:49.34 | shining | I installed xorg cvs manually on an etch install, and it didnt even break |
| 20:49.39 | bsims | OK WTF was trand's ./part supposed to be? it looked like a cursor had a case of the craps |
| 20:49.43 | flok420 | darn. debian 3.1 r0a gives (again) a kernel panic during startup. it panics when it does a modprobe. anyone? |
| 20:49.43 | darkskiez | i want to know whats the crack with amd64-libs in i386 |
| 20:50.06 | greycat | bsims: don't know, don't care |
| 20:50.08 | shaiW | does anyone know what ports I need to forward if I want to get files through the MSN protocl? |
| 20:50.11 | bsims | flok420: which module |
| 20:50.29 | rbochan | 1-65535 |
| 20:50.36 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:50.40 | shining | are u sure? |
| 20:50.41 | flok420 | bsims: it doesn't tell. it looks like the first. the system is on a ext3 partition, NO lvm this time |
| 20:50.48 | bsims | greycat: just wondering cause I thought PuTTY spoke unicode |
| 20:50.48 | FieldySnuts | uh he's kidding |
| 20:50.50 | jetx | shaiW: amsn should have that info on their webiste |
| 20:50.58 | jetx | but i dunno |
| 20:50.59 | shining | FieldySnuts: nooo really? |
| 20:51.05 | greycat | bsims: it doesn't look like UTF-8 to me |
| 20:51.05 | shaiW | really? I'll look again |
| 20:51.07 | jim | no! really! |
| 20:51.17 | rbochan | FieldySnuts: but that'll get it working like in winders! |
| 20:51.18 | jetx | shaiW: it's a guess, i would 'think' they would |
| 20:51.28 | FieldySnuts | no idea use a real protocol |
| 20:51.32 | shaiW | Microsoft are all about making my life harder |
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| 20:51.39 | bsims | flok420: hrm is it still trying to load the lvm? |
| 20:51.41 | jetx | yes, and aol does this too |
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| 20:51.49 | jim | exactly... so IGNORE microsoft entirely |
| 20:51.53 | eranj | Hello room |
| 20:51.55 | flok420 | bsims: no |
| 20:51.55 | FieldySnuts | pretty much |
| 20:51.56 | greycat | jetx: of course it does. nobody has more than one computer. |
| 20:51.56 | FieldySnuts | !room |
| 20:51.56 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 20:51.59 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi :) |
| 20:52.04 | bnoji_ | What would cause pam not to look at pam_ldap.so, even though it's defined in the config? |
| 20:52.05 | Phated | FieldySnuts: 'ello. |
| 20:52.07 | bsims | flok420: welp I'm out of ideas |
| 20:52.13 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite Phated |
| 20:52.13 | ravenbird | Phated: cheerio mate |
| 20:52.14 | flok420 | ok hanks |
| 20:52.16 | shining | jim: tell that to msn users |
| 20:52.21 | greycat | that's a smite? |
| 20:52.21 | jetx | !chatroom |
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| 20:52.33 | darkskiez | how can I add a gpg key to my deb keyring? ive got the file, but cant find the command/docs |
| 20:52.34 | bsims | !smite AOL |
| 20:52.35 | FieldySnuts | it's usually better |
| 20:52.43 | FieldySnuts | shining: they can go to hell |
| 20:52.51 | greycat | darkskiez: there are (sample) instructions on marillat's site |
| 20:52.54 | greycat | !marillat |
| 20:52.54 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 20:53.11 | eranj | How do I allow a program to use a directory and create a directory in it? |
| 20:53.12 | rbochan | darkskiez: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 20:53.14 | bsims | MSN vs AOL in a steel cage match and then we burn the victor |
| 20:53.27 | nksen | eranj: ? |
| 20:53.29 | jetx | i hope aol wins then :) |
| 20:53.36 | jetx | burn witch burn |
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| 20:53.39 | jim | msn vs aol is moot... jabber is the way to go |
| 20:53.40 | ekm | hi |
| 20:53.43 | ekm | thanks |
| 20:53.48 | jetx | aol > evil |
| 20:53.53 | greycat | eranj: get a unix book |
| 20:53.54 | darkskiez | rbochan: cheers |
| 20:53.57 | jetx | err is the greater evil |
| 20:53.57 | jim | not necessarily |
| 20:54.11 | ekm | I'm having some troubles after a distupgrade on unstable |
| 20:54.12 | jim | not at all... ever seen aolserver? |
| 20:54.21 | jetx | ekm: yeah |
| 20:54.23 | starmax | coucou |
| 20:54.25 | ekm | sdl sound no longer works |
| 20:54.27 | jetx | no i havent |
| 20:54.34 | eranj | nksen: I got torrentflux and it can't mkdir in a directory I chose for downloads. the right command is chmod but I don't know get the synatx |
| 20:54.35 | jetx | i've seen the name |
| 20:54.37 | ekm | and the i830 card is much slower then before |
| 20:54.40 | greycat | ekm: checked the bug system? |
| 20:54.45 | cbr | new revision of xorg already |
| 20:54.56 | rbochan | cbr: you're kidding |
| 20:55.00 | nksen | eranj: you don't know get the syntax? man chmod might help |
| 20:55.02 | jim | go look... it's free... they bought the company, then freed its product that used to cost $5000/box |
| 20:55.09 | jetx | i upgraded my kid to xorg and chickened out for myself... :) |
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| 20:55.11 | rbochan | d'oh I just got it working on this box |
| 20:55.14 | ekm | (xorg doesn't even work with my laptop mouse so I went back to xfree |
| 20:55.19 | cbr | rbochan: it's just a debian revision |
| 20:55.23 | eranj | nksen: but I'm not sure which command allows a program to write inside a directory |
| 20:55.26 | ekm | (also xorg blanks out my console) |
| 20:55.30 | ixion | anyone know anything about setfacl/getfacl umasks and file persmissions and able to help me out with something? |
| 20:55.44 | greycat | ekm: the *mouse* didn't work? I just did a sarge + xorg laptop box yesterday and both the touchpad and the USB mouse worked fine in x.org |
| 20:55.51 | mschiff | ixion: what your problem? |
| 20:55.53 | azeem | xorg_4.8.2-2 is just for non-i386 build fixes |
| 20:55.55 | greycat | !two mice |
| 20:55.55 | dpkg | You have a laptop with a touchpad (PS/2) and an external USB mouse, and you want X to use either one, but despite the promises, it Just Doesn't Work? Make the PS/2 mouse the primary device, and add a new InputDevice section for the USB device with Option "SendCoreEvents" instead of Option "CorePointer". Be sure to use both input devices down in the ServerLayout section. modprobe mousedev && echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
| 20:56.00 | rbochan | greycat: ditto here on 2 laptops |
| 20:56.02 | nksen | eranj: at least chmod 777 DIR does it |
| 20:56.06 | ekm | correct |
| 20:56.07 | greycat | nksen: EVIL! |
| 20:56.13 | azeem | greycat: there's udev issues with /dev/mice as well, AFAIK |
| 20:56.17 | nksen | greycat: i know, but i don't think he'll care :) |
| 20:56.20 | ixion | mschiff: I have setup my ACL's, however new files and folders are not inherriting permissions - I need to inherrit permissions otherwise only the file creator has write access to thefile |
| 20:56.22 | greycat | azeem: yeah, but what fool would use udev? |
| 20:56.29 | azeem | greycat: me |
| 20:56.45 | azeem | well, anybody who installs the desktop task, basically |
| 20:56.45 | greycat | azeem: 2.6.8 couldn't even see the hard disk on that laptop. |
| 20:56.54 | greycat | azeem: 2.4.27-2-* worked fine |
| 20:56.57 | azeem | just pointing it out. |
| 20:57.04 | jetx | gnome the meta package installs udev, or did. |
| 20:57.09 | ekm | where in the bug system do I look |
| 20:57.10 | azeem | jetx: indeed |
| 20:57.14 | jetx | well if you go down the chain |
| 20:57.16 | greycat | but what fool would use gnome? ;-) |
| 20:57.26 | eranj | nksen: still doesn't work |
| 20:57.30 | jetx | gnome is kinda mia here now |
| 20:57.31 | greycat | ekm: you're the sid user. you're expected to know these things. |
| 20:57.35 | azeem | "Just because you known your way around a desktop doesn't mean that you |
| 20:57.35 | azeem | don't want a usable one" |
| 20:57.35 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.38 | mschiff | ixion: you have set the default acls? |
| 20:57.47 | ekm | I'm usually programming |
| 20:57.49 | greycat | azeem: fvwm is very usable. |
| 20:57.51 | ixion | mschiff: no I am struggling with the syntax |
| 20:58.06 | ekm | sid usually just works.. |
| 20:58.11 | ekm | with some tweaking |
| 20:58.12 | rbochan | ahahahahaaa |
| 20:58.13 | greycat | ekm: people who aren't very good at sysadminning should probably not be dist-upgrading sid this month... |
| 20:58.15 | nksen | doesn't have no time means - you have time? |
| 20:58.16 | ixion | mschiff: what do I need to set? the default mask? |
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| 20:58.39 | cbr | sid works fine here luckily |
| 20:58.44 | greycat | sid "usually just worked" when it was artificially held back while they were trying to release sarge for the last year |
| 20:58.45 | ixion | wtf is sid |
| 20:58.55 | greycat | now all that pent-up bleeding-edge-ness is happening all at once |
| 20:59.01 | mschiff | ixion: the mask is what will always be set or allowed IIRC |
| 20:59.01 | ekm | I've been using sid for 2 yrs now |
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| 20:59.01 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.01 | greycat | ixion: /msg dpkg sid |
| 20:59.03 | jetx | sid is your god or demon, depending |
| 20:59.05 | cbr | the kde ppl could do the abi change though, it'd fix some b0rkage |
| 20:59.09 | ekm | it's always mostly worked |
| 20:59.15 | greycat | !break |
| 20:59.15 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 20:59.17 | ekm | but the sdl audio is fscked up |
| 20:59.27 | greycat | ekm: so revert to the previous version of whichever package is broken |
| 20:59.33 | ekm | and the vid card is now slow for I don't know why |
| 20:59.35 | mschiff | ixion: for inheritance you want to use the -d flag... |
| 20:59.36 | jetx | libaspell for one |
| 20:59.47 | jetx | there's a couple others iirc |
| 20:59.48 | ixion | mschiff: Im not following Im afraid, if I change teh mask to allow write will that overwite my read only ACL's for specific users/groups and allow them to write or will teh ACL overwrite that? |
| 21:00.05 | ixion | mschiff: I thought -d was default :/ |
| 21:00.12 | ekm | oh and some games don't work anymore |
| 21:00.14 | ekm | X Error of failed request: GLXBadRenderRequest |
| 21:00.14 | ekm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.14 | ekm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.14 | ekm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.14 | ekm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:00.21 | mschiff | ixion: yes -d is for the default |
| 21:00.21 | jetx | abi, or api ? |
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| 21:00.28 | ekm | which is strange |
| 21:00.31 | jim | debhelper: thanks |
| 21:00.39 | ekm | what does the glx stuff mean |
| 21:00.51 | mschiff | ixion: the mask is normaly calculated automatically |
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| 21:01.03 | ixion | mschiff: so I simply add -d to my syntax when I am adding ACL's and new files/folders will be created with the ACL's I have set on the parent? |
| 21:01.09 | jetx | opengl xelerated (that's a guess) |
| 21:01.12 | nse | how to remove forced with dpkg a package that does not want to be removed? |
| 21:01.16 | mschiff | ixion: yes |
| 21:01.22 | ixion | mschiff: ok thanks, ill give it a go |
| 21:01.24 | greycat | !faq nse |
| 21:01.25 | dpkg | nse: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:01.25 | jim | ekm: if you used a pastebot, debhelper wouldn't have kicked you |
| 21:01.27 | jetx | nse: man dpkg --force-help |
| 21:01.38 | jetx | nse but make sure you really want to |
| 21:01.57 | ekm | http://pastebin.com/312817 |
| 21:01.57 | nse | an apt-get upgrade says that a package needs to be reinstalled but no file in the archive for doing that. but i still with the file in my home folder |
| 21:02.00 | ekm | what does that mean? |
| 21:02.03 | Octave_Octet | Hi. When I type "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" it seems not to be taken into account |
| 21:02.14 | jetx | try apt-get install -f |
| 21:02.16 | jetx | might help |
| 21:02.20 | ekm | would recompiling the app work? |
| 21:02.20 | nse | jetx: i'm not sure of it, read the live before |
| 21:02.21 | mschiff | ixion: you can try to use getfacl on a file and put the output into a new file, edit it and then then set the file acl with the acö-file |
| 21:02.29 | jetx | Octave_Octet: that's as root? |
| 21:02.32 | Octave_Octet | yes |
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| 21:02.49 | Octave_Octet | whoami |
| 21:02.49 | Octave_Octet | root |
| 21:02.50 | jetx | it should work... is this sid? |
| 21:02.54 | Octave_Octet | It is |
| 21:03.03 | jetx | could be xorg now? |
| 21:03.20 | nksen | if I now use 'oldstable' in /etc/apt/sources.list. will I still get security updates? |
| 21:03.22 | jetx | or are you still using xfree86 |
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| 21:03.27 | Octave_Octet | It's still xfree86 for me. B |
| 21:03.39 | Octave_Octet | But I suppose md5sum is x-independent |
| 21:03.43 | jetx | weird |
| 21:03.47 | jetx | no idea |
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| 21:04.20 | azeem | Octave_Octet: xfree86 debconf stuff is black magic, I'm afraid :( |
| 21:04.29 | Octave_Octet | Oh yes |
| 21:04.47 | ralf | what was the syntax to know about packages not in etch? |
| 21:04.52 | jetx | ooo i got permission denied, and i did sudo |
| 21:05.02 | azeem | ralf: ? |
| 21:05.03 | ralf | /msg dpkg why XXX not in testing? |
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| 21:05.10 | Octave_Octet | I had that too. But when being plain root it says nothing |
| 21:05.27 | Octave_Octet | And it seems not to work too |
| 21:05.27 | ralf | azeem: the bot responds to correct questions |
| 21:05.44 | jetx | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum <-- 'seems' to have functioned |
| 21:06.01 | Octave_Octet | I aml copying yours |
| 21:06.02 | jetx | but i'm not going to dpkg-reconfigure my really custom config |
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| 21:06.14 | jetx | Octave_Octet: i just grepped it out of the file |
| 21:06.22 | jetx | sudo didn't function, su did |
| 21:06.22 | omega2005 | saludos , alguien habla espanol? |
| 21:06.24 | Octave_Octet | Just type md5sum and see if they are the same |
| 21:06.25 | jetx | !es |
| 21:06.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:06.39 | jetx | ayar en #debian-es |
| 21:07.06 | Octave_Octet | Still different md5sum... |
| 21:07.08 | Octave_Octet | Grmblmlf |
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| 21:09.14 | Octave_Octet | Should I edit manually /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 21:09.29 | Octave_Octet | And put the md5sum of /etc/X11/XF86Config ? |
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| 21:10.00 | Octave_Octet | Won't my computer try to kill me if I dare to do such a thing ? |
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| 21:10.19 | Jaak | hey guys, whats the thing with libglu1-xorg? |
| 21:10.33 | Ronin | whats what thing with it Jaak |
| 21:10.51 | Jaak | im guiless out of my own stupidity and this seems to break alot in sid |
| 21:11.06 | azeem | Jaak: sid == unstable |
| 21:11.14 | Ronin | something break in sid? how odd |
| 21:11.15 | Octave_Octet | jaak : There is an awfully ugly transition going on between xfree and xorg |
| 21:11.22 | Octave_Octet | In the end all will be ok |
| 21:11.25 | azeem | Jaak: see http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 21:11.31 | Octave_Octet | But be prepared for some rough time |
| 21:11.40 | ekm | will we get new i810 drivers any time soon |
| 21:11.48 | ekm | the current ones are kinda broken |
| 21:11.48 | Jaak | exactly, i keep telling me that i should have not done the dist-upgrade... but oh well, i can handle gentoo as long as things get fixed :) |
| 21:11.52 | ekm | and slower then the older ones |
| 21:11.54 | ekm | and shitty |
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| 21:12.23 | Octave_Octet | Stop... |
| 21:12.23 | ekm | you know the new fully GPL'd FPS |
| 21:12.25 | ekm | nexuiz |
| 21:12.28 | Octave_Octet | I'm really stupid |
| 21:12.31 | ekm | (nexuiz.com) |
| 21:12.48 | ekm | ... it's the reason we now need x drivers that dont suck |
| 21:12.50 | jim | what's fps |
| 21:12.57 | ekm | first person shootar |
| 21:12.58 | Whisky_ | First Person Shooter |
| 21:13.00 | MasterYoda | wonderful, the day I decide to install my new system X.org goes in |
| 21:13.02 | Whisky_ | or Frames Per Second |
| 21:13.05 | MasterYoda | any idea when X org will be done? |
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| 21:13.13 | jim | !wir |
| 21:13.13 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 21:13.16 | Octave_Octet | Same here MasterYoda |
| 21:13.21 | MasterYoda | like finished entering unstable? |
| 21:13.24 | Jaak | azeem: ah, thanks. that helped. |
| 21:13.25 | Ronin | MasterYoda: too soon for some not soon enough for others |
| 21:13.28 | MasterYoda | Octave_Octet: weee I am not alone :) |
| 21:13.42 | MasterYoda | Ronin: well I am going to wait to finish my install then |
| 21:13.47 | jim | I think it's in unstable now |
| 21:13.50 | knighttempla1 | cAN SOMEBODY help me to shut down my PC |
| 21:13.59 | Jaak | knighttempla1: whats the problem? |
| 21:14.00 | Octave_Octet | X.org is half in unstable |
| 21:14.02 | azeem | maybe somebody can add that link to the xorg/xfree86 factoid |
| 21:14.02 | Octave_Octet | half not |
| 21:14.05 | knighttempla1 | i got the new kernel and now i cant shut down my pc |
| 21:14.09 | azeem | Octave_Octet: ? |
| 21:14.12 | jim | which half/ |
| 21:14.13 | jim | ? |
| 21:14.23 | azeem | Octave_Octet: it's all built from the same source, so it's either in or not |
| 21:14.25 | Jaak | knighttempla1: you prolly left some power managment stuff out |
| 21:14.27 | jim | use xfree |
| 21:14.34 | jim | it -works- |
| 21:14.38 | Octave_Octet | I had some files that had broken dependencies |
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| 21:14.46 | Octave_Octet | Let me check |
| 21:14.47 | Jaak | knighttempla1: i have same problem now, but i cant be arsed to reconfigure the kernel |
| 21:14.50 | knighttempla1 | jaak: i don't think so . if so what should i check |
| 21:14.53 | azeem | GL stuff might be broken, yeah |
| 21:15.05 | jim | you -don't- need unstable (which helpers dont' want to support here) |
| 21:15.16 | knighttempla1 | jaak: lol you lazy |
| 21:15.17 | Jaak | knighttempla1: stuff under power management section? :) i really don't know exactly, i havent checked into it yet |
| 21:15.31 | knighttempla1 | i had the APMD , and it was working |
| 21:15.38 | Octave_Octet | xbase-clients and xutils refused to upgrade due to broken dependencies. (that was this morning. It can be different now) |
| 21:15.43 | knighttempla1 | but since the new kernel i don't know where to configure it |
| 21:15.57 | Jaak | but thing is, it should hurt your pc if you shut it down manually, it kills all processes and unmount everything |
| 21:16.00 | jim | Jaak: then maybe you keep your problem... |
| 21:16.02 | Jaak | oh |
| 21:16.04 | Jaak | shouldnt* |
| 21:16.06 | Octave_Octet | Anyway my problem is not in md5sum it seems |
| 21:16.11 | ekm | i810 driver is slow and broken for both xorg and xfree now |
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| 21:16.28 | Octave_Octet | In fact the md5sum copy has been correct |
| 21:16.30 | ekm | and xorg blanks out console in FB and other mode |
| 21:16.50 | bnoji | When using PAM, what would cause me to have to enter a password twice? |
| 21:17.00 | othernoob | how do you grep the motherboard with dmesg? |
| 21:17.03 | jim | has it occured to any people installing debian to read the hardware compatibility list BEFORE buying hardware? |
| 21:17.07 | Octave_Octet | But dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xf86config while it now remembers the new values I have entered still does not write ther /etc/x11/xf85config |
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| 21:17.18 | bnoji | It prompts for a pass on login, but even if the first pass is correct, it only uses the second attempt. |
| 21:17.37 | thingfish | othernoob: you can try dmesg | grep <keywords> |
| 21:18.03 | Ronin | jim: easy thats what i did, with woody too :) |
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| 21:18.08 | othernoob | thingfish yea i know. so far "detected" seems the best keyword for the motherboard. i'm just wondering if there's a better one |
| 21:18.09 | shining | jim: its isnt very useful |
| 21:18.14 | knighttempla1 | jaak: still when i'm not around i put ,my pc to turn off automatically but now it won't work |
| 21:18.19 | omega2005 | does anyone know what to put in packages.d directory (inside debian dir when you try to build a .deb)? |
| 21:18.23 | othernoob | thingfish: since someone earlier didn't know what kind of mobo he has |
| 21:18.24 | Ronin | course it had had a different distro on it earlier so i did have an idea |
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| 21:18.46 | thingfish | I don't think you can pull off the motherboard info itself, just things attached to it. |
| 21:18.47 | jim | shining: so you'd check before buying anyway? |
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| 21:19.00 | thingfish | for that, you generally have to look in the case. |
| 21:19.12 | othernoob | thingfish: is "detected" always attached to the motherboard? |
| 21:19.12 | jim | thingfish: or get its manual |
| 21:19.31 | thingfish | jim: heh yes, that would be good too. |
| 21:19.55 | shaiW | well, appearently the ports needed for recieving files in the MSN protocol are 6891-6905, ffr |
| 21:20.08 | Jaak | knighttempla1: i'll reboot and check what my gentoo kernel conf looks like, it doesn't do so |
| 21:20.23 | thingfish | or if you bought it from say a Gateway or Alienware, you look up its info on their website. |
| 21:20.42 | Vantage__ | anyone here familiar with using bootcd to create bootable cd iso's? I'm having a problem with the ram filesystems being listed as read only |
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| 21:21.13 | ixion | mschiff: u still there? |
| 21:21.19 | jim | thingfish: since gateway and alienware buy stuff you cant' get manuals for? |
| 21:21.19 | shining | jim: I've spent a lot of times recently searching for a well supported laptop, but I'm not more advanced |
| 21:21.20 | ixion | whats that paste channel? |
| 21:21.23 | mschiff | ixion: yes |
| 21:21.38 | Ronin | ixion: #flood |
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| 21:21.52 | jim | shining: but by trying, you're getting there. |
| 21:21.52 | ixion | mschiff: wud u mind joining #flood ? |
| 21:21.55 | shining | I still have no idea of which one I should avoid, and which are the best supported one |
| 21:21.59 | shaiW | is there any channel on freenodes for general networking support? |
| 21:22.09 | jim | #networkign |
| 21:22.11 | shining | jim: maybe one day :) |
| 21:22.12 | jim | #networking |
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| 21:22.26 | jim | (surprising, isn't it? :) |
| 21:22.26 | thingfish | jim: right, they'd use proprietary motherboards probably, their website would be one's only hope I would think. |
| 21:22.58 | CHGH | i just installed debian stable.. then did a dist-upgrade to unstable, but apt hangs on udev and says udev needs a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 21:23.05 | jim | proprietary is probably the last thing you would want for an open operating system |
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| 21:23.26 | thingfish | I'd agree with that. I build my own systems. |
| 21:23.28 | jim | CHGH: why unstable? |
| 21:23.29 | Octave_Octet | xlibmesa-glu is indeed not yet upgraded |
| 21:23.56 | jim | CHGH: you -want- for most people here to not be able to help you? |
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| 21:24.35 | CHGH | you mean most people don't run unstable? |
| 21:24.51 | shining | CHGH: and anyway, I dont know what you are asking. you already have the answer |
| 21:24.54 | beardy | CHGH: Then get a kernel like that. If you run unstable you know how to solve that one yourself. |
| 21:25.03 | CHGH | yeah. |
| 21:25.13 | CHGH | I'm just lazy and its not in the repository |
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| 21:25.19 | CHGH | :P |
| 21:25.22 | jim | if they do, they are expected to know what they're doing... if you don't, that's ok as long as you don't ask questions |
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| 21:25.25 | ralf | CHGH: build it |
| 21:26.06 | shining | sid shouldnt have been so stable until now |
| 21:26.20 | ekm | how do I get my i810 working again? |
| 21:26.29 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz |
| 21:26.31 | jim | sid was loosely tracking sarge until the point of release |
| 21:26.34 | ekm | and 5 in complex |
| 21:26.36 | thingfish | yeah it was hardly anything to keep up with sid, not all that long ago. |
| 21:26.43 | ekm | today I get 1 fps in simple places |
| 21:26.45 | Ronin | CHGH: build it or try again and this time either stick with stable or stop at testing |
| 21:26.45 | Octave_Octet | Ok so how can I force xserver-xfree86 to reconfigure my system :-( |
| 21:26.46 | stew | sid tracking sarge? |
| 21:26.48 | jim | or rather the other way around |
| 21:26.51 | ekm | similar crap with other gl stuff |
| 21:26.51 | shining | or maybe it isnt clear enough thats its beginning more unstable |
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| 21:26.55 | Jaak | hmm |
| 21:27.05 | CHGH | yeah, i'll just keep it at stable |
| 21:27.08 | jim | when sarge was testing, it was being leaked packages from sid |
| 21:27.13 | Jaak | should be just ACPI Support |
| 21:27.33 | jim | so sid was holding back in its degree of unstableness to support release issues |
| 21:28.07 | jim | etch is not being considered for release yet, so sid is now more free |
| 21:28.29 | jim | in short... |
| 21:28.29 | shining | yep right |
| 21:28.29 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:28.34 | ekm | will anyone help me? |
| 21:28.38 | jim | sid is WHERE THE PROBLEMS HAPPEN |
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| 21:28.51 | Octave_Octet | ekm ? moved to xorg ? |
| 21:28.56 | thingfish | I did sid for a few months, but I'm not missing it at all, especially reading about all that's going on with sid. |
| 21:28.57 | CHGH | i haven't been using debian long enough to have seen a new release before |
| 21:29.00 | ekm | ekm: no |
| 21:29.02 | CHGH | so... forgive me :P |
| 21:29.10 | shaiW | can I remove mozilla safely without it taking with it the libs needed to connect to MSN via gaim? It's happened before on other distros |
| 21:29.10 | ekm | I tried, but it was slow too |
| 21:29.12 | Octave_Octet | So I do not see why |
| 21:29.17 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
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| 21:29.20 | jim | ekm: restore from your backup |
| 21:29.25 | thingfish | CHGH: stick with sarge/stable, it's about as good as linux gets. |
| 21:29.30 | ekm | I don't have one |
| 21:29.33 | shining | ban him |
| 21:29.35 | CHGH | hehe.. k |
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| 21:29.55 | jim | ekm: sorry to hear that... |
| 21:30.02 | req | does somebody knows why can't access via mozilla to my ftp server (vsftp)? I can access only via bash, I'm using Sarge |
| 21:30.18 | ekm | jim so you're telling me to "fuck off" |
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| 21:30.25 | shining | ekm: yes please do |
| 21:30.46 | ekm | I'm asking for help |
| 21:30.51 | ekm | and you tell me to fuck off |
| 21:30.58 | jim | ekm: *shrug*, you didn't make a backup? |
| 21:31.04 | jim | why? |
| 21:31.12 | ekm | HELP ME |
| 21:31.26 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:31.31 | terr | I'm seeing floppy IO errors in my DEMSG file - however this does not make sense since there was no floppy in hte drive when it booted. Here is the message:end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 Does anyone know what this means and what the consequences are? |
| 21:31.33 | jim | reinstall |
| 21:31.34 | beardy | !repeat |
| 21:31.34 | dpkg | i guess repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 21:31.36 | Ronin | req: what do the vstp logs say? |
| 21:31.40 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:31.55 | req | let me c |
| 21:32.02 | Ronin | yes we say it the first 3+ times ekm, try patience |
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| 21:32.12 | Ronin | urr s/say/saw i mean |
| 21:32.44 | jim | maybe we understand now why ekm couldn't enter the channel before |
| 21:33.04 | ekm | jim: why, because I ask questions |
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| 21:33.14 | ekm | rather then chatting about random crap |
| 21:33.26 | ekm | you're the one who should be banned |
| 21:33.30 | ekm | off topic asshole |
| 21:33.32 | jim | no, because you have this attitude like we're here to serve you |
| 21:33.34 | Ronin | ekm: no you repeat the question over and over and over if you dont get an answer in 60 seconds |
| 21:33.35 | beardy | terr: You did something with a floppy, and the floppy had some bad sectors perhaps? That's the kind of output you can get if you used a bad floppy anyway. Probably nothing to worry about, but if that floppy doesn't work after reformatting or other trixing, then replace it. Nothing to worry about. |
| 21:33.53 | ekm | Ronin, I've been basically told to fuck off |
| 21:33.58 | wishie[away] | anyone here use the ipac-ng program ? when i apt-get it, and try to run it, i get the error "Cannot allocate memory" |
| 21:34.05 | jim | so either drop it or fuck off |
| 21:34.07 | Jaak | oh please, ehk, you gave him reason |
| 21:34.13 | Jaak | ekm* |
| 21:34.18 | Octave_Octet | wasn't "dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86" supposed to remove /etc/X11/XF86config |
| 21:34.20 | terr | beardy: ya - this is starting to make some sense now. I see that dmesg is actually being updated!!! I thought this came only from boot. |
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| 21:34.23 | req | Ronin: It only says Wed Jul 13 14:53:11 2005 [pid 7093] [oscar] OK LOGIN: Client "192.168.10.135" Only displays when I got a connection via shell |
| 21:34.23 | MasterYoda | let's have a party for X.org (so I have something to do while waiting to install it) |
| 21:34.25 | Ronin | ekm: well either do it, wait a decent amount of time till asking again |
| 21:34.28 | shaiW | and another thing |
| 21:34.30 | beardy | terr: Or you tried to use a floppy, but there were none in the drive to be used? |
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| 21:34.41 | shaiW | I wanna kick nautilus out of my system, can I safely remove all of it's packages? |
| 21:34.42 | SDFH_Linux | if my sarge/unstable breaks again i am just going to stick with stable |
| 21:34.51 | Phated | sarge IS stable. |
| 21:35.02 | terr | beardy: there was no floppy in the drive at that time!!! |
| 21:35.10 | req | Ronin: But mozilla says "530 Invalid User" |
| 21:35.19 | stew | SDFH_Linux: are you mixing sarge and unstable? that woudl be a bad idea |
| 21:35.27 | Rucas | hehe e17 rules |
| 21:35.35 | wishie | any ideas on how long til X.org is in sid ? |
| 21:35.45 | Rucas | wishie: it's been in sid for 3 days now |
| 21:35.45 | Octave_Octet | wishie : It is now |
| 21:35.50 | stew | !tell wishie about guidelines |
| 21:35.51 | wishie | ooer |
| 21:35.52 | beardy | terr: Ah, yes itäs being updated. To see the boot log if your dmesg has been filled with io errors or such, 'cat /var/log/dmesg' |
| 21:35.53 | MasterYoda | Octave_Octet: all of it? |
| 21:36.01 | Octave_Octet | Some GL stuff is not |
| 21:36.05 | chealer | !supertopicsmite wishie |
| 21:36.07 | Rucas | glut is not |
| 21:36.09 | terr | beardy: I'm not getting this: VFS: Disk change detected on device fd(2,0) end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 |
| 21:36.10 | deadcat | damn. xorg hits ppc (= |
| 21:36.10 | Octave_Octet | So due to dependencies I cannot upgrade |
| 21:36.23 | wishie | how do i upgrade/merge from XFree to X.org ? |
| 21:36.25 | raf256 | !smitesmite chealer |
| 21:36.35 | Octave_Octet | wishie |
| 21:36.39 | unihox | hello. can you install opengl apps with x.org? i run into dependecy hell :) |
| 21:36.40 | Octave_Octet | wishie: aptitude |
| 21:36.45 | stew | wishie: /msg dpkg xorg ; /msg dpkg get xorg ; exptect it to break stuff |
| 21:36.46 | Rucas | only had one problem with xorg and that's that the eutils package i use requires glut |
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| 21:37.00 | Rucas | but that's not a big deal because i already have my menus how i want them |
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| 21:37.09 | SDFH_Linux | yes i am mixed sarge unstable |
| 21:37.11 | beardy | terr: Did you remove the floppy without unmounting it? |
| 21:37.17 | jim | unihox: all that stuff is in -unstable-, which is the definition of dependency hell |
| 21:37.19 | beardy | terr: Don't, if you did :) |
| 21:37.21 | xsdg | SDFH_Linux: _sarge_ unstable? |
| 21:37.26 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 21:37.28 | unihox | heh :) |
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| 21:37.32 | terr | beardy: that doesn't work! if I type the command "dmesg" then I see a lot more than is sitting in /var/log/dmesg |
| 21:37.38 | el | #ubuntu-es |
| 21:37.46 | kollo | how to unzip a .gz file? |
| 21:37.51 | terr | beardy: I'm not mounting it - I'm using dd |
| 21:37.56 | jim | man gzip |
| 21:37.57 | stew | kollo: gzip -d or use unp |
| 21:38.05 | terr | beardy: I'm trying to create a boot floppy set |
| 21:38.15 | wishie | hmm |
| 21:38.21 | wishie | i use nvidia.. |
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| 21:38.23 | beardy | terr: Yes, as we said, 'dmesg' gets updated. /var/log/dmesg doesn't. |
| 21:38.41 | terr | beardy: I never knew that. I'm learning somthing new. |
| 21:38.45 | Octave_Octet | If I delete /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (I have a backup) will dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 create a new XF86Config-4 or will the old one keep coming back from the grave ? |
| 21:38.49 | stew | wishie: read gravity's blog |
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| 21:38.58 | MasterYoda | maybe it's cause im on amd64 |
| 21:39.00 | deadcat | why is the dist-upgrade trying to rm xine-ui? |
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| 21:39.10 | beardy | terr: Then the floppy is broken, has bad sectors. Use another one. |
| 21:39.20 | Octave_Octet | deadcat : xine-ui depends on glut I think |
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| 21:39.32 | streuner | !depends xine |
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| 21:39.35 | deadcat | Octave_Octet: doh (= |
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| 21:39.40 | streuner | !depends xine-ui |
| 21:39.46 | SDFH_Linux | how often do packages get updated in stable? |
| 21:39.48 | dpkg | xine-ui: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcurl3 (>= 7.12.2-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.2), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libreadline5, libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libssl0.9.7, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a), libxtst6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 21:39.51 | deadcat | well atleast i get xorg on the ibook so i ca use the vga out |
| 21:39.53 | azeem | SDFH_Linux: almost never |
| 21:39.58 | KungFuKiD | debian is out date :D |
| 21:39.58 | SDFH_Linux | hm |
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| 21:40.12 | kbrooks | KungFuKiD, No. |
| 21:40.16 | CHGH | i have another machine that has been running unstable since before sarge was released... should i change the apt sources to stable or keep it as-is? |
| 21:40.26 | unihox | wishie: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ ( i am also using nvidia) |
| 21:40.30 | Ronin | CHGH: you cant downgrade |
| 21:40.33 | terr | beardy: nope - I tried 3 differnet fdd's and all fail. |
| 21:40.35 | Octave_Octet | Ok I'll try to delete /etc/X11/XF86config-4 as no one answers :-) |
| 21:40.43 | KungFuKiD | kbrooks, hehe |
| 21:40.44 | CHGH | thats what I thought.. thanks |
| 21:40.46 | kbrooks | CHGH, keep it as is |
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| 21:41.08 | wishie | unihox: it does work, or not at all for you ? |
| 21:41.09 | terr | beardy: this is a brand new drive AIR - I see the yellow LED does not light up either. |
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| 21:41.32 | terr | beardy: I am wondering if it ever worked - it will not surprise me that I have never used it since I bought this macine. |
| 21:41.46 | MarGarina | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.50 | terr | Here is what I get in syslog: Jul 13 14:48:30 io kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 |
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| 21:42.03 | beardy | terr: Perhaps the drive is broken then ? |
| 21:42.13 | SDFH_Linux | only thing i dont like about stable no new packages almost |
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| 21:42.17 | jim | KungFuKiD: sure it is... that's how it gains stability. for some apps (like servers) you don't need new stuff |
| 21:42.54 | amateur | i need to talk to the president of debian linux |
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| 21:43.01 | amateur | immeadiately |
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| 21:43.07 | deadcat | amateur: i am here. what up |
| 21:43.13 | shaiW | K, I've installed the Nvidia drivers, but I still can't get a normal screen resolution |
| 21:43.18 | Ronin | heh |
| 21:43.20 | darkskiez | amateur: thats me |
| 21:43.25 | Ronin | no its me |
| 21:43.29 | Octave_Octet | Ok. That's enough. I'll edit the file manually |
| 21:43.32 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:43.35 | Octave_Octet | If I understand something to it |
| 21:43.46 | Octave_Octet | ekm is rising back from the grave |
| 21:43.46 | jim | amateur: leader@debian.org |
| 21:43.53 | darkskiez | amateur: thats funny coz I was just looking for you on the net |
| 21:43.56 | terr | beardy: or not plugged in right. |
| 21:43.57 | beardy | !tell ekm about repeat |
| 21:44.00 | beardy | !tell ekm about ask |
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| 21:44.05 | MasterYoda | xserver-xorg is only on i386, bummer for me... |
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| 21:44.17 | terr | damn = I guess I'll have to use a different computer |
| 21:44.23 | beardy | terr: Yeah, could be that too. Get your favourite screwdriver and check? |
| 21:44.23 | jim | MasterYoda: why? xfree not working? |
| 21:44.28 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:44.35 | MasterYoda | jim: I am on amd64, I want my xorg |
| 21:44.35 | Ronin | ekm: stop it already |
| 21:44.40 | beardy | ekm: Stop. |
| 21:44.42 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:44.56 | beardy | Shut him up please.. |
| 21:44.57 | ekm | I waited 5 min |
| 21:44.59 | Ronin | ahh ignore gotta love it |
| 21:45.04 | ekm | and that's not enough? |
| 21:45.06 | jim | !ops ekm troll/repeat/attitude |
| 21:45.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ekm troll/repeat/attitude |
| 21:45.13 | terr | beardy: I just HATE the way these machines are designed. All peripherals should be external and all the plugs should be on one side of the box - the front - so that I can just pull it out |
| 21:45.18 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:45.19 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
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| 21:45.27 | beardy | ehmm |
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| 21:45.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 21:45.36 | MasterYoda | kicked... |
| 21:45.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 21:45.38 | Ronin | another day another dumbass |
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| 21:45.40 | terr | ban him. |
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| 21:45.44 | LoRez | that won't help though. |
| 21:45.48 | MasterYoda | hey it's my good buddy caphuso |
| 21:45.54 | amateur | Ronin, darkskiez, deadcat, when can we get madwifi drivers on the net-install cd? |
| 21:45.54 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:45.57 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:45.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 21:45.59 | KungFuKiD | jim: oh. |
| 21:46.00 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:46.02 | *** mode/#debian [+q ekm!*@*] by caphuso |
| 21:46.03 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
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| 21:46.06 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:46.07 | terr | the only excuse is if he has parkinson's |
| 21:46.09 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:46.12 | beardy | terr: Yeah, some boxes are, to say the least, a bit strange designed :) |
| 21:46.14 | caphuso | damn |
| 21:46.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b ekm*!*@*] by LoRez |
| 21:46.16 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:46.19 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:46.19 | Ronin | that or its just another chicken shit hiding on tor |
| 21:46.22 | Maneiten | ekm: Five more times and we'll help. |
| 21:46.24 | ekm | yesterday I got upto 30 fps in simple places in nexuiz, 5fps in complex places. With the i810 driver. today I get 1fps in simple places .... on any GL app... and sdl sound is broken... after upgrade |
| 21:46.26 | *** kick/#debian [ekm!lorez@lorez.staff.freenode] by LoRez (LoRez) |
| 21:46.30 | streuner | good |
| 21:46.42 | caphuso | what the fuck did just happen? |
| 21:46.43 | terr | beardy - this is pretty standard - but it lives in a cubby hole in my desk and its a pain in the ass to pull it out. |
| 21:46.46 | chealer | K-line doesn't seem very effective |
| 21:46.47 | ttick | thank you, LoRez |
| 21:46.47 | LoRez | caphuso: got me |
| 21:46.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 21:47.02 | shaiW | how do I make rox my default file browser? |
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| 21:47.16 | Octave_Octet | Ok. I tweaked my monitor by hand... |
| 21:47.17 | beardy | terr: Oh, well, you don't have much options anyway I guess.. |
| 21:47.22 | Octave_Octet | reboot |
| 21:47.23 | Octave_Octet | Bye |
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| 21:48.12 | beardy | terr: Unless you want to transfer the files and make the floppy on another box. |
| 21:48.24 | solemnwarning | am i actually allowed to talk now <_< |
| 21:48.28 | beardy | terr: It you have it connected so something else I mean. |
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| 21:48.33 | beardy | If |
| 21:48.38 | jim | I think I know why... ekm!*@* was given exempt status |
| 21:48.44 | shaiW | ok, we'll go it para para |
| 21:48.47 | solemnwarning | i rebooted my debian box and xfree broke |
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| 21:48.56 | solemnwarning | the config files are the same |
| 21:48.58 | shaiW | how do I stop nautilus from loading at startup? |
| 21:49.04 | *** mode/#debian [-e ekm!*@*] by LoRez |
| 21:49.06 | solemnwarning | so wtf happened? |
| 21:49.08 | LoRez | jim: thanks :) |
| 21:49.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 21:49.09 | shaiW | it's not in the session startup programs |
| 21:49.13 | darkskiez | solemnwarning: new kernel? nvidia module ? |
| 21:49.17 | solemnwarning | no |
| 21:49.19 | solemnwarning | nothing changed |
| 21:49.25 | solemnwarning | it just broke after reboot |
| 21:49.30 | darkskiez | solemnwarning: whats the X error |
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| 21:49.59 | solemnwarning | failed to initailize core devices |
| 21:50.00 | RichiH | any ideas how i could search for file names on a broken ext2 system? anything more fancy than a grep over the raw /dev, would come in handy |
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| 21:50.06 | kbrooks | When was X addd=ed to sid? |
| 21:50.12 | chealer | solemnwarning: you must have typed "break X; don't give any X errors" by mistake |
| 21:50.14 | kbrooks | added* |
| 21:50.21 | deadcat | oh girl. i am using xorg on the ibook (= |
| 21:50.33 | solemnwarning | when is deb gonna use xorg? |
| 21:50.34 | chealer | kbrooks: probably when sid was created |
| 21:50.37 | solemnwarning | xfree sucks |
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| 21:50.46 | jim | how is it any different? |
| 21:50.56 | darkskiez | solemnwarning: is your mouse unplugged ? |
| 21:50.59 | chealer | solemnwarning: in the next release |
| 21:51.00 | solemnwarning | well ive never had xorg randomly break |
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| 21:51.30 | jim | I've never had xfree randomly break,, it was always for a reason :) |
| 21:51.32 | [synstar] | hi, i cant create a folder under /var/www it displays the folder exists, but i know it does not, any ideas? |
| 21:51.52 | jim | I'm not motivated to go to x.org,,, xfree works fine |
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| 21:52.14 | Nigel | i don't see why we should have to change, right now |
| 21:52.15 | rob_lt | [synstar], what do you mean "it displays the folder exists" and "i know it does not" |
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| 21:52.22 | solemnwarning | can i install xorg from some apt repo under sarge? |
| 21:52.33 | Nigel | why can't debian be the odd one out on something else? |
| 21:52.40 | beardy | [synstar]: That makes little sense. If you have created it, and it shows with ls. Then it exists. |
| 21:52.40 | deadcat | !tell solemnwarning about xorg deb |
| 21:52.44 | rob_lt | jim, I'm with you, xfree86 is doing just fine here |
| 21:53.08 | solemnwarning | it broke itslef here |
| 21:53.09 | beardy | [synstar]: man chmod ? |
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| 21:53.15 | darkskiez | solemnwarning: did u check your mouse ? |
| 21:53.18 | solemnwarning | yes |
| 21:53.26 | solemnwarning | its plugged in |
| 21:53.28 | solemnwarning | ffs |
| 21:53.39 | darkskiez | there must be an error earlier on |
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| 21:54.10 | jharrison | DoppelGanger: howdy |
| 21:54.14 | darkskiez | solemnwarning: run out of disk space on any mountpoint ? |
| 21:54.19 | solemnwarning | no |
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| 21:54.22 | jim | solemnwarning: why do you think xfree is breaking? (btw, someone said they built xorg from its cvs, and he has no problem... but if you do that, you get to maintain your owm installation |
| 21:54.25 | jim | ) |
| 21:54.28 | [synstar] | sorry guyz my mistake, the path was totally wrong... |
| 21:54.45 | terr | shit - it is raining. |
| 21:54.46 | solemnwarning | i just rebooted |
| 21:54.51 | DoppelGanger | jharrison: hey hows the madame |
| 21:54.55 | solemnwarning | and on reboot x wont start |
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| 21:55.09 | beardy | terr: raining shit? ;) |
| 21:55.18 | DoppelGanger | no X can be tough :) |
| 21:55.24 | jharrison | DoppelGanger: fine |
| 21:55.25 | jim | solemnwarning, any idea why? |
| 21:55.27 | solemnwarning | n |
| 21:55.29 | solemnwarning | o |
| 21:55.30 | jharrison | DoppelGanger: xorg is doing well too |
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| 21:55.34 | solemnwarning | it died on reboot |
| 21:55.40 | jim | solemnwarning, any idea why? |
| 21:55.41 | darkskiez | solemnwarning: can you paste your logfile to some paste website |
| 21:55.44 | solemnwarning | and epic is getting annoying >:( |
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| 21:55.52 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 21:55.58 | solemnwarning | how am i supposed to paste? |
| 21:56.03 | Phated | gpm? |
| 21:56.06 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 21:56.12 | Phated | gpm. |
| 21:56.16 | solemnwarning | ?? |
| 21:56.26 | Phated | You're an idiot. apt-cache show gpm. |
| 21:56.35 | terr | beardy: yup - the little green lite works on that other machine - must be hardware. |
| 21:56.37 | darkskiez | Phated: dont be mean |
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| 21:56.56 | rob_lt | solemnwarning, cp your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file somewhere safe, and the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:56.57 | deadcat | Phated: xorg yet? (= |
| 21:56.58 | Phated | darkskiez: Should have answered him sooner then, shouldn't you. |
| 21:57.01 | Phated | deadcat: Nah. |
| 21:57.07 | Phated | deadcat: How's it running? |
| 21:57.10 | rob_lt | s/the/then |
| 21:57.10 | keenan | Xorg works great on my powerbook 3400 |
| 21:57.17 | keenan | great job guys! |
| 21:57.30 | deadcat | Phated: better than xfree on my x86 so far. trying to get vga out on the ibook |
| 21:57.38 | Phated | deadcat: Cool. |
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| 21:57.44 | deadcat | keenan: hows the vga out? |
| 21:57.56 | keenan | hmm haven't tried it yet |
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| 21:58.18 | deadcat | keenan: transset and xcompmgr? |
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| 21:58.31 | beardy | terr: Ok. Replace it then, when you feel up to it :) |
| 21:58.31 | Ireul | hi |
| 21:58.44 | rixth | What package provides dig? |
| 21:58.47 | solemnwarning | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 worked |
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| 21:58.53 | solemnwarning | do i need to do it every boot?? |
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| 21:59.02 | keenan | deadcat: well they're a little slow obviously |
| 21:59.05 | Ireul | for which type of works one could use debian? Server, client of graphic workstation? |
| 21:59.15 | beardy | Ireul: Yes. |
| 21:59.36 | rob_lt | rixth, dnsutils? |
| 21:59.37 | jharrison | xorg is sweet |
| 21:59.52 | Ronin | Ireul: all of the above |
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| 21:59.56 | jim | jharrison: why? how is it any different? |
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| 22:00.02 | rixth | rob_lt, ah yes, thanks |
| 22:00.02 | deadcat | keenan: what you get from glxgears? i have 56fps on the ati card hahaha |
| 22:00.04 | rob_lt | jharrison, define "sweet". I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know what is so great/different |
| 22:00.19 | jim | meetoo |
| 22:00.20 | jharrison | jim: slightly faster and new features ill probably never use |
| 22:00.21 | rob_lt | rixth, apt-file search dig | grep bin :) |
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| 22:00.54 | jim | oh, well... I'm convinced! I'm upgrading to unstable right now! |
| 22:00.57 | jim | NOT |
| 22:01.03 | Morti | What's the best way to get Macromedia Flash on a Sun Ultra 10? |
| 22:01.24 | jim | jharrison: that wasn't directed at you per se... the sarcasm part that is... |
| 22:01.28 | jharrison | jim: why dont like the sid? |
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| 22:01.40 | jim | it's unstable |
| 22:01.51 | rob_lt | Morti, no flashplugin-nonfree for Ultra 10? |
| 22:01.53 | jim | and I need stable to do real work |
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| 22:02.24 | Morti | rob_lt: Doesn't look like it. |
| 22:02.31 | Morti | Running Debian Sarge. |
| 22:02.31 | Ireul | Ronin: I know :) but I need to give to my alumns a more precise answer :) |
| 22:02.41 | jim | jharrison: essentially, sid has mood and other kinds of swings |
| 22:02.42 | rob_lt | I've used xorg and gnome 2.10, and really, I couldnt notice a difference anywhere |
| 22:02.51 | [synstar] | my spell check aint working on kopete, any ideas? |
| 22:02.56 | Morti | swf-player any good? I've tried it in the past and wasn't impressed. |
| 22:03.04 | jharrison | jim: yes I have been using sid for 3 or 4 years now |
| 22:03.09 | Ronin | Ireul: what you planning on using it for? |
| 22:03.10 | rixth | Postfix is having issues. Jul 13 10:01:22 bear postfix/smtp[6633]: 2B34D1BD56: to=<asubstitute@gmail.com>, relay=none, delay=20, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=gmail.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) My main.cf can be found at http://pastebin.com/312871 |
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| 22:03.20 | jim | [synstar]: probably kopete has no spells applied to it |
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| 22:03.37 | [synstar] | so how do i apply it? |
| 22:03.50 | luulis | Morti: only choice for you is gplflash, in debian libflash*, though it has kinda outdated support for flash |
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| 22:04.04 | jim | I think you have to be metaphysical to apply a spell |
| 22:04.04 | keenan | glxgears: 33FPS |
| 22:04.06 | keenan | sweet! |
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| 22:04.15 | Ireul | Ronin: I don't wanna use it... (I'm using it at home) I'm only asking which features are best for Debian than other distro... |
| 22:04.27 | Morti | There's swf-player, is it not worthtrying? |
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| 22:04.54 | Ronin | Ireul: my desktop is testing with full x and its great although the last update evolution hates, the mail server is actually also testing cmd line and its rocks |
| 22:05.22 | KoopaPoopa | heya |
| 22:05.25 | chealer | Morti: no |
| 22:05.25 | Ireul | Ronin: will you use it for a router/firewall too? |
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| 22:05.28 | ecobit | how can i have a custom init script start something as a particular user? |
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| 22:05.40 | caphuso | ecobit: start-stop-daemon or su |
| 22:05.42 | luulis | Morti: swfplayer is what comes with libflash-swfplayer, you cant use macromedia's flash player because its proprietary and only for x86 |
| 22:05.42 | kbrooks | su user |
| 22:05.43 | Ronin | Ireul: you can i dont though, i use a dedicated distro for that |
| 22:05.46 | chealer | it's not oudated, it was never decent |
| 22:05.51 | KoopaPoopa | um, a lot of characters are showing up as boxes with four numbers in... am i missing important packages? |
| 22:05.55 | jim | suser! |
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| 22:06.01 | Ireul | Ronin: I mean for example would you use Debian to put up a router/firewall??? |
| 22:06.03 | ecobit | caphuso: su within a script? |
| 22:06.08 | Morti | luulis: Macromedia support Solaris on SPARC. |
| 22:06.12 | caphuso | ecobit: sure |
| 22:06.14 | Ronin | Ireul: like i said you can but i personally dont |
| 22:06.24 | luulis | Morti: they do :o didnt know that |
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| 22:06.38 | ecobit | caphuso: my understanding was that su can only be invoked from an actively running terminal, not within a script |
| 22:06.43 | Ireul | Ronin: I know I can, but maybe there's a better choice... |
| 22:06.46 | caphuso | ecobit: your understanding is wrong |
| 22:06.55 | Morti | Not Debian on SPARC mind, by the looks of it. |
| 22:07.09 | Ronin | Ireul: any distro can do that the weak spot is the admin |
| 22:07.26 | Ireul | Ronin: the admin? |
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| 22:07.46 | beardy | Ronin: May I ask what distro you run as firewall? |
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| 22:08.30 | Ronin | beardy: currently ipcop |
| 22:08.51 | beardy | Ireul: The person administrating the machine. You are the admin on your machine. |
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| 22:09.10 | beardy | Ronin: ok |
| 22:09.11 | Ireul | beardy: yes I know... :) |
| 22:09.20 | beardy | Ireul: :) |
| 22:09.52 | ecobit | caphuso: i put su user \n watch date in a shell script and watch is not runing as user |
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| 22:10.08 | jim | he didn't really mean weak point, but your net is only as secure as you make it... if you dont' understand the issues, that would make you the weak point... but then again, you might understand |
| 22:10.11 | caphuso | ecobit: su -c ... |
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| 22:11.23 | ecobit | caphuso: ah i tried that before. but i just discovered i had a quoting problem. fixed now. thanks. |
| 22:11.53 | terr | Hey - someone may know this. I've got a file which would normally be written to a FDD via NTRA (rawrite - NT version). I think I should be able to use use dd to copy it to the floppy: eg: dd if=floppy.fs of=/dev/fd0 bs=32k Is this true? |
| 22:12.05 | jim | quoting in shell or any language can be a source of problems... maybe now is the time to check out the shell quoting rules |
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| 22:12.21 | lildude | i got on debian mailing list how do i get off it |
| 22:12.34 | terr | Akso - I am trying to help someone 400 miles away get on the net nad we are not sure what IO ports and interupts a modem card runs at. |
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| 22:12.45 | Phated | lildude: lists.debian.org, look for your list and then unsubscribe. |
| 22:12.47 | EdibleText | terr, that should work floppy.fs is 1440k? |
| 22:12.59 | lildude | phated did that stil flooded |
| 22:13.00 | jim | terr: yes, dd is a form of rawrite (or the other way around really) |
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| 22:13.09 | terr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root terr 1474560 Jul 13 16:58 floppy37.fs |
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| 22:13.16 | Phated | lildude: did you confirm the unsubscription? |
| 22:13.23 | Thorrn4 | hello!! I was wondering: I want to install Debian on my computer and I would like to know is there any thing particular that I should know before hand? Also, I was wondering is there a DVD version of the install? |
| 22:13.25 | lildude | yeah il re doo it |
| 22:13.27 | terr | jim - I get an ERR R on boot. |
| 22:13.44 | KoopaPoopa | some characters in text are being displayed as boxes with four numbers in... am i missing some packages? |
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| 22:13.57 | nksen | Thorrn4: well. no, and no. but the second no is not so sure |
| 22:14.14 | maher | is there an easy way of getting module-assistant to use a different version of gcc? |
| 22:14.23 | Morti | Kind of annoying being stuck on a SPARC based machine sometimes but I'm so glad Debian supports it... |
| 22:14.38 | stew | Thorrn4: /msg dpkg ig ; dvds are available from debian.org ; click getting debian / cd ; and follow the jigdo links |
| 22:14.41 | jim | terr: try rewriting, try bs=18k, try redownloading (and try verifying the download against a md5sum) |
| 22:15.08 | to|m | does someone know whith kermnel setting the "snd_mod" is? |
| 22:15.16 | De_Mon | when I send a message with multiple recipients to my local mailserver, what do I need to setup so it forwards that message to my ISP's mailserver? I set the ISP mailserver as an SMTP Relay, but my mailserver appears to be relaying each recepient separately? |
| 22:16.10 | abrotman | De_Mon: smart host |
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| 22:16.45 | nksen | De_Mon: your mta might be useful |
| 22:16.48 | stew | to|m: ALSA |
| 22:17.07 | beardy | Thorrn4: You can read the Installation Manual, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and depending on if are familiar with Debian, or any other GNU/Linux, the Debian reference, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 22:17.13 | abrotman | !ig |
| 22:17.13 | dpkg | from memory, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 22:17.43 | stew | !tell amaldo about away |
| 22:17.56 | DoppelGanger | they suck |
| 22:17.58 | DoppelGanger | stop |
| 22:17.59 | DoppelGanger | he he |
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| 22:18.01 | terr | jim checksums match!!! |
| 22:18.21 | terr | jim why would I run bs=18K I thought the default was 4k in fact. |
| 22:18.26 | lildude | 256 ranm enough for sarge |
| 22:18.31 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:18.39 | to|m | stew: thx! |
| 22:18.42 | terr | lildude: yes |
| 22:18.45 | beardy | Thorrn4: If you have a broadband Internet connection. The best way to install is probably by doing a netinstall, you download a small iso, burn it, installs, and then downloads and installs only the packages you want to use. /msg dpkg di |
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| 22:19.07 | sgeigerbot | In attempting to get gtkpod to connect to a new ipod mini, I've created a fat32 partition on the device and formatted it with fat32, mounted it, and copied files to it with gtkpod. All seems to be well on the Linux side of things, but the ipod merely boots with the Apple splash screen and then shows me a folder icon. Anyone know what I might have done? Googling for this answer is hell...and resetting it isn't working. |
| 22:19.12 | Thorrn4 | beardy, I think that that would be best; thank you |
| 22:19.13 | beardy | Thorrn4: sorry, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:19.17 | jim | terr: 18k is the size a full track is |
| 22:19.20 | Thorrn4 | beardy, where can I get that ISO? |
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| 22:19.34 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: is vfat the same as fat32 ? |
| 22:19.38 | stew | Thorrn4: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 22:20.52 | beardy | Thorrn4: what stew said. |
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| 22:20.59 | terr | jim - the instructions I have say to use bs=32k. I wonder why they want that? |
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| 22:22.06 | terr | jim I am trying no bs at all. |
| 22:22.12 | jim | dunno, that's probably as good as any, plus if you have the ram, you could say something like bs=1440k and get it all in one pass |
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| 22:22.32 | fuag | whats the application for switching gtk2 themes |
| 22:22.33 | jim | these days that much ram is a drop in the bucket |
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| 22:22.49 | terr | jim - bs refers to the block size on the fdd AFAIK - not the buffer size. |
| 22:22.55 | abrotman | gtk2-theme-switch ? |
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| 22:23.10 | fuag | i thought so as well, but it says theres no known package |
| 22:23.10 | abrotman | err .. gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 22:23.15 | fuag | ah |
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| 22:23.16 | jim | terr: it's the input buffer and output buffer for dd |
| 22:23.16 | fuag | k |
| 22:23.49 | jim | if they want you to match that to a block size, that's ok |
| 22:23.53 | fuag | no, there is no package gtk-theme-switch2 either |
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| 22:24.03 | fuag | i have it set on contrib non-free testing main |
| 22:24.13 | jim | and having the size be the same as the track size, that means each "block" transferred will be a track |
| 22:24.32 | terr | jim - same - makes no diff. I get ERR R |
| 22:24.41 | fuag | anyone know the package name for gtk2 theme switch |
| 22:24.52 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: The filesystem is actually created with mkfs.vfat. I chose "W95 FAT32" in fdisk for the partition type. Is there a problem? |
| 22:25.06 | michal__ | anyone know if it's possible to setup a cisco 1700 router so that access to a 1to1 nat'd ip from the internal network via the externally resolving name DOESN'T have to go over the internet bus is direct to the internal ip instead? |
| 22:25.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: unsure .. i'm not sure what the ipod defaults to |
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| 22:25.42 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: The odd thing was that it had NO partitions in the beginning. |
| 22:25.55 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: raw storage? |
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| 22:26.09 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: could I (should I?) have simply used vfat on the whole /dev/sda device? |
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| 22:26.22 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: my guess is that iTunes creates a filesystem. |
| 22:26.24 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: c'est possible |
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| 22:27.19 | fuag | zut |
| 22:27.19 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: merci |
| 22:27.27 | fuag | mierde |
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| 22:27.36 | abrotman | fuag: wrong language :) |
| 22:27.37 | DoppelGanger | fuag: knock it off |
| 22:27.54 | fuag | abrotman: damn, was I close? |
| 22:28.03 | abrotman | fuag: french/spanish .. close |
| 22:28.07 | bazz | is there a way to re-init my touchpad mouse? when i suspend to ram and come back it stops working. |
| 22:28.16 | jim | terr: hmmm |
| 22:28.24 | RichiH | bazz: you could try unloading the module |
| 22:28.24 | Guerin | the french and spanish would say not ... most others would say they're closeish |
| 22:28.24 | abrotman | bazz: try to re modprobe the modules |
| 22:28.33 | fuag | DppelGanger: i wasn't mocking or making fun, I just decided to speak french cuz I thoguht there was a french person here |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | Guerin: some parts close .. some parts not |
| 22:28.44 | fuag | !beer doppelganger |
| 22:28.47 | abrotman | fuag: mierde isn't spanish |
| 22:28.49 | abrotman | err isn't french |
| 22:29.00 | nksen | but merde is |
| 22:29.05 | bazz | abrotman / RichiH: which modules control that? |
| 22:29.16 | fuag | lol, I took spanish then french and now I can't speak either |
| 22:29.18 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 22:29.18 | dpkg | 2.6 mouse is, like, modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
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| 22:29.19 | Guerin | abrotman: all indo-european languages are close, really, when you start comparing them to, say, altaic languages. |
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| 22:29.24 | abrotman | bazz: ^^ |
| 22:29.31 | bazz | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 22:29.35 | abrotman | Guerin: btw .. albanian sucks :) |
| 22:29.43 | Guerin | abrotman: thanks for the headsup |
| 22:29.50 | fuag | anyone know why gtk-theme-switch2 isn't in my apt-cache |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | !find bin/gtk-theme-switch2 sarge |
| 22:30.06 | SDFH_Linux | if you want a completely unstable install using netinstall how you go about it |
| 22:30.08 | raf256 | !pom |
| 22:30.09 | dpkg | hmm... pom is Phase Of Moon, if you live in emacs-ville :) |
| 22:30.15 | raf256 | !patchomatic |
| 22:30.15 | dpkg | patch-o-matic is probably within the iptables sources, there are a bunch of patches that you can apply to your 2.4.x kernel. They're not guaranteed to apply cleanly, or even work if they do, but it *does* allow things like proper DCC masquerading, "dropped" table (my favorite), and other goodies :) Oh, it's in iptables-<version>/patch-o-matic/ |
| 22:30.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gtk-theme-switch2' (1): (/usr/bin/gtk-theme-switch2) in x11/gtk-theme-switch. |
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| 22:30.26 | abrotman | fuag: ^^ |
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| 22:30.30 | lildude | if debion dont stp flooding il have to get new email |
| 22:30.39 | lildude | any got sound card with tv out |
| 22:30.44 | Guerin | debion? |
| 22:30.45 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:30.49 | Guerin | wth is that |
| 22:30.57 | raf256 | lildude: what...? sound card woth tv out? |
| 22:31.01 | abrotman | raf256: you can /msg dpkg if it's just for your benefit |
| 22:31.14 | raf256 | abrotman: but that way Im not annoying |
| 22:31.26 | lildude | need input out tv |
| 22:31.27 | raf256 | abrotman: (ok... ;) |
| 22:31.29 | abrotman | raf256: you're always annoying .. don't worry about failing at that |
| 22:31.31 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:31.31 | lildude | so i can use tv speakers |
| 22:31.35 | fuag | lol |
| 22:31.37 | fuag | that explains it |
| 22:31.45 | RichiH | oh, btw what does iptables do with packets that have a wrong checksum when it is set to deny all but the package would fit into an allow category? |
| 22:31.45 | abrotman | lildude: you mean you want a line-out |
| 22:31.52 | lildude | yeah |
| 22:31.58 | abrotman | lots have lineout |
| 22:32.07 | lildude | need a used one |
| 22:32.08 | abrotman | do you want a special lineout ? |
| 22:32.12 | raf256 | probably ALL have tvout |
| 22:32.13 | abrotman | well .. find a cheap one on ebay |
| 22:32.17 | Withdraw | anyone know where i can buy a very small usb thumb drive with aroind 16mb capacity |
| 22:32.17 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: yeah yeah |
| 22:32.18 | lildude | nope simple one |
| 22:32.22 | raf256 | sgeigerbot: ;) |
| 22:32.22 | abrotman | raf256: no |
| 22:32.31 | SDFH_Linux | if you want a completely unstable install using netinstall how you go about it |
| 22:32.33 | abrotman | Withdraw: overstock.com ? |
| 22:32.39 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: use the sid installer |
| 22:32.41 | fuag | sigh, ok back to where I was like 2 weeks ago |
| 22:32.47 | SDFH_Linux | where is that? |
| 22:32.52 | abrotman | there used to be one |
| 22:32.53 | fuag | anyone here using nforce integrated sound and have it working with debian? |
| 22:32.53 | bazz | abrotman: any idea what would be using mousedev? when i try to rmmod mousedev i get that it's in use. it's refcount is one in lsmod but it doesn't tell me what's using it? |
| 22:32.58 | fuag | alsaconf doesnt get it |
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| 22:33.09 | dystopian | I think you can pick up a box at target SDFH_Linux |
| 22:33.10 | abrotman | bazz: use modprobe .. not rmmod or insmod .. always use modprobe |
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| 22:33.14 | dystopian | or maybe wal mert? |
| 22:33.14 | raf256 | SDFH_Linux: well COMPLETELY unstable... I would just buy windows XP and install it without security patches |
| 22:33.18 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 22:33.21 | sgeigerbot | SDFH_Linux: or do a base install and then switch to sid. |
| 22:33.21 | jim | SDFH_Linux: or use the stable installer, install just the base, then upgrade |
| 22:33.26 | dystopian | duh mert.... wal mart even. |
| 22:33.30 | unihox | SDFH_Linux: or use cdebootstrap or debootstrap |
| 22:33.33 | SDFH_Linux | sid install is where |
| 22:33.33 | bazz | abrotman: okay, i tried modprobe -r too, got the same error |
| 22:33.35 | sgeigerbot | SDFH_Linux: so...do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | bazz: are you in X ? |
| 22:33.47 | sgeigerbot | SDFH_Linux: ...after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list to point to sid. |
| 22:33.53 | bazz | abrotman: yes, but i have no mouse |
| 22:33.55 | SDFH_Linux | i dont see sid install |
| 22:33.55 | sgeigerbot | SDFH_Linux: Here: To upgrade testing/sarge to unstable/sid: "sudo perl -pi~ -ne 's/(testing|sarge)/sid/g; print unless /security.debian.org/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 22:33.59 | abrotman | bazz: cute :) |
| 22:34.06 | bazz | abrotman: yep :) |
| 22:34.14 | jim | SDFH_Linux: so then use sarge installer |
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| 22:34.16 | sgeigerbot | SDFH_Linux: grr...my factoid is outdated. sarge is no longer testing. |
| 22:34.20 | abrotman | bazz: are you trying to save your xsession .. or you just want your mouse back ? |
| 22:34.22 | unihox | SDFH_Linux: upgrading sarge is safe... |
| 22:34.26 | unihox | lol |
| 22:34.34 | unihox | but not today :) |
| 22:34.36 | shaiW | is there anyway I could just manually add resolutions and force X to switch into them? |
| 22:34.47 | abrotman | !drxx Shadowcat |
| 22:34.48 | dpkg | Shadowcat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:34.49 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:34.52 | fuag | does anyone know what appletalk is used for, is it the file server option, becaues it takes forever to initiate and now that I think of it, I don't really wanna host files |
| 22:34.53 | shaiW | I just can't get it to allow 1280*1024 |
| 22:34.53 | abrotman | !drxx shaiW |
| 22:34.53 | dpkg | shaiW: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:34.55 | SDFH_Linux | i still dont see sid install of debian |
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| 22:35.02 | bazz | abrotman: well, i'd mostly just like my mouse back, which i can get with a shutdown / restart (just a reboot actually doesn't work) but in the future i'd like to be able to suspend and come back and have a mouse |
| 22:35.05 | covux | fuag: alsa modules loaded? |
| 22:35.08 | fuag | anyone know how to disable it from gettin loaded? |
| 22:35.09 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: then upgrade to sid like a normal person |
| 22:35.12 | shaiW | I already tried that |
| 22:35.18 | jim | SDFH_Linux: SO INSTALL SARGE first, then upgrade |
| 22:35.23 | abrotman | bazz: touchpad mouse or usb? |
| 22:35.29 | shaiW | Isn't there a conf file I could edit manually? |
| 22:35.29 | SDFH_Linux | hehe relax guys |
| 22:35.34 | fuag | covux: i did an apt-get install alsa && apt-get install alsa-oss && alsaconf |
| 22:35.36 | abrotman | shaiW: you can .. not a good idea |
| 22:35.36 | unihox | SDFH_Linux: using *debootstrap is most natural way... but you have to create /etc/fstab and install kernel :) |
| 22:35.43 | shaiW | abrotman, I'll take the chance |
| 22:35.44 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 22:35.46 | bazz | abrotman: touchpad and the nipple thing in one |
| 22:35.58 | abrotman | bazz: TP ? |
| 22:35.59 | covux | fuag: disable it in bios if u dont wont onboard nvidia sound |
| 22:36.02 | OldakQuill | Can any of you guys think of a way I can edit sources.list without logging out |
| 22:36.09 | bazz | abrotman: tp? |
| 22:36.12 | abrotman | !tp |
| 22:36.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tp is IBM ThinkPad, or Toilet Paper |
| 22:36.14 | OldakQuill | And without using sudo |
| 22:36.19 | beardy | OldakQuill: ? |
| 22:36.29 | fuag | covux: i do want onboard nvidia sound |
| 22:36.29 | jim | OldakQuill: are you logged in as root? |
| 22:36.36 | abrotman | bazz: thinkpad |
| 22:36.40 | bazz | abrotman: nope, dell latitude |
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| 22:36.46 | shaiW | abrotman, how do I do that manually? |
| 22:36.59 | abrotman | shaiW: how many resolutions did you pick before ? |
| 22:36.59 | OldakQuill | No - but I am doing some important stuff on this account at the moment, so can't logout |
| 22:37.08 | beardy | OldakQuill: su ? |
| 22:37.09 | covux | fuag: did u raise volume with alsamixer? |
| 22:37.09 | dystopian | hey SDFH_Linux go to distrowatch.com and lookup debian. there is a list of download mirrors that will hook you up for sid |
| 22:37.10 | abrotman | bazz: crashing X doesn't do it ? |
| 22:37.16 | jim | OldakQuill: then NO, you cannot edit that file. |
| 22:37.17 | abrotman | bazz: did you check linux-laptop.net for hints ? |
| 22:37.18 | shaiW | abrotman, three. 800*200, 1024*768, 1280*1024 |
| 22:37.19 | fuag | covux: actually nvidia released a poprietary linux sound driver not to long ago as a kernel module called nvsound, is there a place where i can request a package |
| 22:37.21 | bazz | abrotman: no, even doing a sudo reboot doesn't do it |
| 22:37.24 | OldakQuill | Edit it on the command line? |
| 22:37.24 | abrotman | shaiW: choose one .. |
| 22:37.32 | jim | not under the constraints you specify |
| 22:37.32 | fuag | covux: alsamixer fails to run because ther is no default sound device |
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| 22:37.42 | fuag | covux: it wont configure iwth alsaconf it doesnt detect my sound card |
| 22:37.45 | shaiW | abrotman, you mean, deselecting everything but 1280*1024? because I tried that too |
| 22:37.50 | fuag | covux: but I know what driver its supposed to be using |
| 22:37.54 | abrotman | shaiW: so what resolution are you getting ? |
| 22:37.55 | OldakQuill | :) Thanks anyway |
| 22:38.00 | covux | fuag: which nforce chipset do u use |
| 22:38.02 | shaiW | abrotman, 1024*768 |
| 22:38.04 | jim | OldakQuill: are yuou using x? |
| 22:38.05 | bazz | abrotman: haven't yet, thought i'd see if i could solve it without a reboot and browsing is a bit tricky sans mouse :) |
| 22:38.07 | fuag | covux: just always configured my kernel manually and compiled them in |
| 22:38.18 | abrotman | shaiW: maybe nvidia makes you do something else .. might want to ask #nvidia |
| 22:38.18 | OldakQuill | Yeah |
| 22:38.25 | fuag | fcovux: um one sec lemme go refresh memory |
| 22:38.29 | abrotman | bazz: hrm ... |
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| 22:38.31 | OldakQuill | KDE is the DE |
| 22:38.32 | jim | then fire up another xterm and su |
| 22:38.55 | abrotman | bazz: even crashing X doesn't do it ? |
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| 22:39.02 | bazz | abrotman: no |
| 22:39.09 | bazz | abrotman: i can crash X and it still doesn't work |
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| 22:39.22 | abrotman | bazz: but only happens if you suspend ? |
| 22:39.27 | litage | any suggestions for a regex to ask interviewees? |
| 22:39.27 | bazz | abrotman: i can actually reboot the laptop without turning it completely off and it won't work |
| 22:39.37 | fuag | covux its the intell ones, i forget teh name but its like intelXXXX where x=number |
| 22:39.38 | bazz | abrotman: that's the only time i've seen it so far |
| 22:39.40 | abrotman | bazz: sounds like a damn faulty driver :) |
| 22:39.41 | fuag | 8139 |
| 22:39.42 | Phated | Yank out the battery, put it back in. |
| 22:39.42 | izzyb | anyone know of a fix for a problem I'm having with sarge netinstall. It hangs at the 'starting up the partitioner' dialog box with the progress bar at 50% |
| 22:39.43 | fuag | i think |
| 22:39.55 | jim | borg queens are futile |
| 22:40.01 | fuag | cant check menuconfig right now because apt is busy so I cant install ncurses-devel |
| 22:40.08 | lildude | will sarge ba faster with 512 ram than 256? |
| 22:40.15 | OldakQuill | Hardware issue, I'd say |
| 22:40.19 | Borg^Queen | Hello people I just installed Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel and I'm getting an odd error msg I've never seen before "APIC errror on CPU0 40 (40)". Does anyone know what that means? |
| 22:40.19 | bazz | abrotman: hrmm, so probably no resolution until the driver is updated huh |
| 22:40.20 | abrotman | lildude: are you serious ? |
| 22:40.23 | drac | lildude: haha |
| 22:40.32 | lildude | what |
| 22:40.35 | abrotman | bazz: or it could also be a kernel issue . or even X . are you running sid or sarge? |
| 22:40.36 | terr | jim well - rpogress - I just used an NT machine and rawrite - smae problem. ERR R |
| 22:40.39 | jim | lildude: if you' |
| 22:40.46 | bazz | abrotman: testing, whichever one that is |
| 22:40.49 | abrotman | will my car be faster with a bigger engine ? |
| 22:40.52 | abrotman | bazz: oh . hrm .. |
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| 22:41.01 | fuag | lildude: yes |
| 22:41.04 | jim | lildude: if you're running enough stuff, it will be faster |
| 22:41.05 | OldakQuill | Poor lildude |
| 22:41.13 | abrotman | bazz: i iknow xorg and newer kernels are in sid .. but that could kill your box :) |
| 22:41.14 | izzyb | alt-F3 shows the last message saying 'Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while...' |
| 22:41.16 | jim | lilpoor dude |
| 22:41.18 | lildude | yeah poor is right and dumb |
| 22:41.24 | bazz | abrotman: i'm running the x.org server :) |
| 22:41.28 | fuag | xorg is in testing right now, right/ |
| 22:41.34 | abrotman | fuag: not yet |
| 22:41.36 | izzyb | it's been about 2 weeks |
| 22:41.37 | terr | what are the default ports adn IRQ's used by a modem card? |
| 22:41.49 | abrotman | xorg was just put into sid |
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| 22:41.55 | fuag | after i get my sound working i want to install xorg, is there a way to tell apt-get to accept unstable packages for one install? |
| 22:41.56 | covux | fuag: hm. http://www.alsa-project.org <- check if ure chipset is supported. |
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| 22:41.57 | paulswm | lildude: If you do a lot of access of the same files, yes, as that extra memory will probably be used for file cacheing |
| 22:42.02 | bazz | abrotman: yeah, but i built xorg seperatly |
| 22:42.07 | dystopian | maybe lildude is just trying to learn about computers like most of us did so many years ago. or maybe I am being way too charitable |
| 22:42.12 | jim | poor is right, and poor is dumb... for our food we're gonna humb |
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| 22:42.20 | fuag | gah xorg takes like 4 hours to compile |
| 22:42.20 | paulswm | abrotman: a bigger engine would be a faster CPU |
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| 22:42.22 | abrotman | bazz: could it be the driver for the pad from xorg ? |
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| 22:42.40 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 22:42.40 | drac | fuag: nah, max 25 minutes here. |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | fuag: are you running sarge ? |
| 22:42.43 | FilthyAnimal | hey |
| 22:42.49 | abrotman | !prize paulswm |
| 22:42.55 | fuag | abrotman: yes i just installed like 10 minutes ago |
| 22:42.55 | paulswm | :) |
| 22:42.58 | FilthyAnimal | hey |
| 22:43.01 | FilthyAnimal | xorg in unstable?:) |
| 22:43.02 | bazz | abrotman: i don't know, i suppose it could be, would the only way to test that be to suspend on XFree and see if it works? |
| 22:43.05 | jim | hay's for horses |
| 22:43.06 | abrotman | fuag: there are backports for sarge and xorg |
| 22:43.16 | abrotman | bazz: yeah .. |
| 22:43.22 | abrotman | bazz: which sounds like a pain to me :) |
| 22:43.24 | lildude | oh big sow in barn has 21 lil piglets nursing |
| 22:43.25 | Borg^Queen | Anyone ever seen before "APIC errror on CPU0 40 (40)". Does anyone know what that means? |
| 22:43.28 | bazz | abrotman: yes, yes it would be |
| 22:43.32 | lildude | she would be bacon |
| 22:43.32 | abrotman | bazz: whihc model ? |
| 22:43.37 | fuag | abrotman: how do i install one? very new to debians package managment |
| 22:43.46 | bazz | abrotman: D600 |
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| 22:43.50 | luulis | fuag: add "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge" to your /etc/apt/sources.list if you want xorg |
| 22:43.50 | abrotman | fuag: you have to add the source line |
| 22:44.04 | bazz | abrotman: running 2.6.12.1 |
| 22:44.17 | abrotman | bazz: you like compiling eh ? :) |
| 22:44.18 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: Yes, and don't touch |
| 22:44.22 | bazz | abrotman: yep :) |
| 22:44.31 | FilthyAnimal | resiak, i'm dist-upgrading, should I ctrl+c? :) |
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| 22:44.40 | SDFH_Linux | is kernel 2.6.12 in unstable? |
| 22:44.46 | drac | SDFH_Linux: no |
| 22:44.48 | paulswm | jim: How to spell Ealing in cockney: E for 'Enry, A wot horses eat, L were you goes to, I wot you sees wiv, N wot lays eggs, G whiz. |
| 22:44.51 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 22:44.54 | fuag | cool |
| 22:44.54 | fuag | thnx |
| 22:44.56 | cbr | why not though? |
| 22:45.00 | cbr | it's been out for ages |
| 22:45.12 | raf256 | where should be places linux source? is it ok to use /usr/src/linux/2.6.12.2/ ? or must it be exaclu /usr/src/linux - how do other applications axpect it? |
| 22:45.24 | abrotman | bazz: why not run sid .. has most of those goodies in there .. and might actually be more stable :) |
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| 22:45.40 | bazz | abrotman: i probably should, just haven't done that yet |
| 22:45.46 | raf256 | abrotman is the sith lord! run and hide \o/ |
| 22:45.50 | fuag | anyone know how to stop the appletalk server from initializing or what it does? i want to use this box as a webserver for a blog eventually, don't know anything about it yet, but I think appletalk is just for file sharing |
| 22:45.53 | abrotman | raf256: i'm gonna hurt you! |
| 22:45.56 | luulis | sid is very unstable right now |
| 22:45.56 | abrotman | !hurt raf256 |
| 22:45.57 | bazz | abrotman: sid is unstable at this point? |
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| 22:46.05 | abrotman | bazz: sid is always unstable |
| 22:46.06 | luulis | especially if installing xorg |
| 22:46.07 | drac | luulis: sid is unstable :D |
| 22:46.17 | KodeK | Hi. I want to give a friend ssh access so he can use IRC and some other programs, but I dont want him to go around my other files. What's the easiest way to lock everything BUT his programs from him? |
| 22:46.20 | bazz | abrotman: ohh |
| 22:46.22 | luulis | drac: yes but now it is more than usual :) |
| 22:46.29 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: It may well break horribly. |
| 22:46.32 | KodeK | I trust this person, but I know he will still poke around. |
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| 22:46.37 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: Should you be using Sid? |
| 22:46.39 | raf256 | KodeK: bit him to death if he will try to go around the files |
| 22:46.41 | abrotman | KodeK: don't give him access |
| 22:46.44 | paulswm | bazz: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 22:46.51 | abrotman | KodeK: failing that .. jail/chroot |
| 22:46.52 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: ;) |
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| 22:46.56 | bazz | paulswm: nod |
| 22:47.08 | raf256 | so... |
| 22:47.14 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: I don't use Sid, TBH. |
| 22:47.14 | KodeK | abrotman, the problem is, all the how-tos out there are on jailing apache, or bind, or... |
| 22:47.19 | raf256 | linux source of 2.6.12 should be in /usr/src/linux/2.6.12 right? |
| 22:47.27 | raf256 | or where should I best unpack the, |
| 22:47.38 | abrotman | KodeK: there has to be at least one |
| 22:47.41 | FilthyAnimal | resiak, i'll test the xorg from sid... what could be wrong?:P |
| 22:47.41 | hruske | raf256 /usr/src/linux-2.6.12 |
| 22:47.44 | bazz | raf256: i usually put things in like: /usr/src/linux-2.6.12 and then ln -s to it |
| 22:47.50 | raf256 | ok |
| 22:47.54 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: Broken deps. |
| 22:47.58 | KodeK | abrotman, what would I be jailing? Because It's not a service, it's just a user. |
| 22:47.59 | bazz | raf256: to have a /usr/src/linux pointing to my current kernel |
| 22:48.01 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: And C++ brokenness at the moment |
| 22:48.19 | FilthyAnimal | there's no problem |
| 22:48.22 | raf256 | hmm I see already a " kernel-source-2.6.8" there... |
| 22:48.29 | FilthyAnimal | i'll stay 2-3-4 days without x :) |
| 22:48.33 | resiak | FilthyAnimal: Fair enough. :) |
| 22:48.37 | bazz | abrotman: thanks for the suggestions, i'm gonna reboot and see if there's anything online about this, maybe a sid upgrade will help |
| 22:48.38 | raf256 | so perhaps I should stick to that naming, so /usr/src/linux/kernel-source-2.6.12.2 ? |
| 22:48.50 | abrotman | KodeK: google "linux jail shell" |
| 22:48.54 | KodeK | I have to go right now. I'll take a look at it once I'm back, in 30 minutes or so. Thanks for your help. |
| 22:48.57 | abrotman | bazz: ok |
| 22:49.20 | zth_ | hmmm... why does my friend recieve a "listing failed" when trying to access his account on my proftp server? |
| 22:49.24 | hruske | raf256, kernel-source are debian patched |
| 22:49.26 | abrotman | raf256: maybe you shouldn't be compiling the development tree of the kenrel |
| 22:49.29 | abrotman | kernel either |
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| 22:49.43 | raf256 | abrotman: why not? i need TTL ptables patch. |
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| 22:49.52 | abrotman | raf256: for what? |
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| 22:50.16 | barretj | anyone know how to make apache tell the browser to display .c and .cpp files rather than download them? |
| 22:50.18 | raf256 | abrotman: because my lampe ISP drops packets with ttl==64 or ==127 so I cant put a gateway/router server? |
| 22:50.25 | rw | I used to use this url for http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US, looks like it changed, any one know where to? |
| 22:50.29 | raf256 | * ttl==63 | 127 |
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| 22:50.40 | hruske | rw, topic? |
| 22:50.42 | raf256 | !topicsmite rw |
| 22:50.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rw. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:50.44 | abrotman | raf256: get a new isp |
| 22:51.12 | raf256 | abrotman: I will go to their office tommorow and beath them to death, also strangle and/or ass rape manager using his keyboard, |
| 22:51.20 | rw | ok, what it means? |
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| 22:51.29 | raf256 | but indeed my ISP contract states "no sharing". and all IPS have it like that in my area. |
| 22:51.29 | hruske | rw, non-us is now in main |
| 22:51.39 | rw | hruske, oh, great. thank you. |
| 22:51.49 | abrotman | raf256: and i'm pretty sure those will apply to the debian sources .. instead of a bleeding edge kernel .. which IIRC .. just had devfs removed |
| 22:52.05 | bucky | !dpkg tell rw crypto in main |
| 22:52.06 | barretj | no one knows? |
| 22:52.12 | terr | what are the default ports adn IRQ's used by a modem card? |
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| 22:52.13 | barretj | the #apache people where no help |
| 22:52.19 | bucky | !dpkg tell rw about crypto in main |
| 22:52.21 | terr | I had to go - call from Dallas. |
| 22:52.26 | abrotman | but hey .. who needs devfs |
| 22:52.27 | barretj | s/where/were/g |
| 22:52.33 | raf256 | abrotman: I like compiling kernels, always a small +exp in C skills... no that it will change anything (too big needed exp for my level) but... ;) |
| 22:52.37 | fuag | um... |
| 22:52.46 | egon_spengler | terr: hardware or winmodem? |
| 22:52.49 | abrotman | raf256: compilng a kernel is no exp in C .. it's exp in ./configure |
| 22:52.50 | fuag | malformed line 5 in source list (dist parse) |
| 22:52.50 | Whisky_ | Anyone know how to change password for my account in SquirrelMail ? :/ |
| 22:52.54 | fuag | when i tried adding |
| 22:52.56 | abrotman | or make menuconfig . whatever you want |
| 22:53.04 | terr | egon_spengler: hardware. I didn't think winmodems would even work... |
| 22:53.06 | raf256 | abrotman: and patching, cvs - other around-c-development stuff |
| 22:53.16 | abrotman | raf256: ok .. you believe whatever you want .. |
| 22:53.21 | fuag | deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge |
| 22:53.22 | terr | egon_spengler: winmodems however can do other things ... |
| 22:53.31 | egon_spengler | terr: Default irqs 3 or 4 default ports ttys0-s3 |
| 22:53.34 | abrotman | and a poor speller |
| 22:53.46 | fatal__ | abrotman: devfs isn't deleted yet (unless I've missed it).... AFAIK gregkh has just sent out patches for review, and I guess they'll go in once 2.6.13 is released.. |
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| 22:53.59 | abrotman | deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
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| 22:54.08 | terr | egon_spengler: ya - I know this. But how do they handle the UARTS at ttyS0 and ttyS1? |
| 22:54.15 | abrotman | fatal__: not 2.6.13 .. at least i hope not . since that's the "stable" release |
| 22:54.26 | abrotman | fuag: ^^ |
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| 22:54.33 | fuag | abrotman: lol, thnx |
| 22:54.35 | andy_ | so i just updated my system and there is a conflict with nvidia-glx and xbase-clients |
| 22:54.39 | terr | egon_spengler: there should be two UARTS mapped into a pair of IO addresses and listening to IRQ 3 & 4 as you say. |
| 22:54.44 | andy_ | i run unstable |
| 22:54.54 | andy_ | just wonder if anyone has any idea what I should do to fix it |
| 22:55.01 | abrotman | dare i make a factoid about the sarge backports for xorg ? |
| 22:55.03 | andy_ | i'd google but I can't startx :) |
| 22:55.04 | deadcat | andy_: wait it out |
| 22:55.11 | terr | egon_spengler: so if the modem mapps into the same IO port then it ain't goona work. |
| 22:55.14 | abrotman | !xorg-nvidia |
| 22:55.14 | dpkg | i heard xorg-nvidia is http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
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| 22:55.17 | abrotman | andy_: ^^ |
| 22:55.19 | Wyzard | barretj: What Content-Type is Apache sending the .c and .cpp files with? |
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| 22:56.00 | abrotman | andy_: read that .. undersatnd it .. it's broken |
| 22:56.06 | deadcat | i just wnat to setup vga out on the ibook with xorg |
| 22:56.08 | fuag | grr still runin into major sound problems |
| 22:56.17 | fuag | how come it can't detect bloody nforce |
| 22:56.21 | fuag | enough ppl use it |
| 22:56.25 | abrotman | fuag: which nforce ? |
| 22:56.37 | fuag | abrotman: nforce2 |
| 22:56.47 | andy_ | abrotman: read what? |
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| 22:56.54 | abrotman | !xorg-nvidia |
| 22:56.54 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg-nvidia is http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 22:56.57 | abrotman | andy_: ^^ |
| 22:57.04 | andy_ | ahh |
| 22:57.05 | andy_ | thanks |
| 22:57.13 | abrotman | fuag: i understand nforce2 to be crap .. where's directhex |
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| 22:57.43 | covux | fuag: i also have nforce2 and its detected by hotplug debian scripts at boot |
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| 22:57.49 | abrotman | fuag: err .. nforce2 support :) |
| 22:58.01 | mo1991 | how much faster does the os actually run if you use the kernel and packages for amd rather than i386?? |
| 22:58.06 | fuag | abrotman: yeah, but nvidia stepped it up like a month ago and now support is wonderful |
| 22:58.17 | fuag | abrotman: is there a way to request a package to be added? |
| 22:58.20 | abrotman | fuag: i'm just telling what i've heard .. i don't buy nvidia stuff .... |
| 22:58.32 | abrotman | fuag: file an RFP .. debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 22:58.35 | fuag | abrotman: BLASPHEMY nvidia rox... at least way better than ati |
| 22:58.38 | abrotman | fuag: what do you want packaged ? |
| 22:58.58 | abrotman | fuag: my lappy has intel and via-sound .. works perfectly fine :) |
| 22:58.58 | fuag | abrotman: nvsound kernel module |
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| 22:59.05 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 22:59.05 | dpkg | from memory, nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 22:59.13 | abrotman | fuag: thanks for reminding me :) |
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| 23:00.00 | fuag | abrotman: hmm how would i get snd-intel8x0 to work if it doesnt detect that thats what i need |
| 23:00.14 | abrotman | fuag: buy ati? :) |
| 23:00.14 | fuag | abrotman: would adding snd-intel8x0 to /etc/modules do it? |
| 23:00.24 | abrotman | fuag: it could .. you'll have to stop loading the nvsound stuff |
| 23:00.45 | fuag | abrotman: not using it, wasnt in apt so i didn't bother |
| 23:00.59 | stew | that's the spirit! |
| 23:01.03 | abrotman | fuag: is discover installed ? |
| 23:01.12 | fuag | abrotman: um.. no clue I'll go check |
| 23:01.24 | stew | or discover1 |
| 23:01.33 | dystopian | later |
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| 23:01.38 | fuag | abrotman: discover isn't installed is it better to install discover or discover1 |
| 23:01.52 | barretj | Wyzard: the Content-Type is sending .c files as text/x-csrc |
| 23:01.59 | abrotman | fuag: discover |
| 23:02.09 | abrotman | just discover is version 2.x |
| 23:02.11 | barretj | Wyzard: and the .cpp files as text/x-c++src |
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| 23:02.40 | fuag | abrotman: ok i installed it, should i try running alsaconf again? |
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| 23:02.54 | covux | fuag: maybe reconfigure package linux-sound-base helps "This package allows the administrator to choose between |
| 23:02.54 | covux | the OSS and ALSA sound systems." |
| 23:02.55 | abrotman | fuag: probably ought to reboot |
| 23:03.13 | abrotman | fuag: give discover a chance to find all your hardware |
| 23:03.31 | fuag | k |
| 23:03.32 | fuag | brb |
| 23:03.39 | fuag | before i reboot is there a way to tell it not to load appletalk |
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| 23:04.08 | stew | reboot? or just /etc/init.d/discover restart? |
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| 23:04.18 | abrotman | wtf .. appletalk ? |
| 23:04.29 | abrotman | your computer just .. loads appletalk on its own ? |
| 23:04.33 | covux | fuag: /etc/hotplug/blacklist <- there u can add modules u dont want to load at booz |
| 23:04.35 | covux | z=t |
| 23:04.40 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:04.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:04.47 | fuag | abrotman: sweet |
| 23:04.48 | bucky | the joys of hot plug |
| 23:04.52 | fuag | abrotman: yeah it confused me 2 |
| 23:04.57 | bucky | load everything available |
| 23:05.06 | bucky | unless you blacklist it |
| 23:06.00 | abrotman | !2 |
| 23:06.00 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 23:06.03 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.19 | fuag | k |
| 23:06.20 | abrotman | mo1991: 1.4% |
| 23:06.22 | fuag | ima reboot, brb |
| 23:06.39 | mo1991 | abrotman - that's it huh? |
| 23:06.45 | bucky | mo1991, lots... use the k7 and libc6-i686 if you have an athlon |
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| 23:07.39 | abrotman | mo1991: really .. no idea .. i was joking .. if you want to know .. try it |
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| 23:10.09 | bahamat | hey guys, I've got a server that's trying to get packages for the wrong arch (getting i386, should be amd64), does anyone know where to change that behaviour? |
| 23:10.15 | fuag | lol, even when i have appletalk blacklisted it loads it.. wtf |
| 23:10.37 | abrotman | fuag: sound ? |
| 23:10.54 | fuag | and when i start up it says "Starting ALSA .... not configured" |
| 23:11.05 | fuag | abrotman: negative :'( |
| 23:11.09 | hruske | bahamat http://bach.hpc2n.umu.se/debian-amd64/debian/README.mirrors.html |
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| 23:11.31 | fuag | abrotman: i didnt try adding snd-intel8x0 to /etc/modules though |
| 23:11.35 | covux | fuag: did _you_ use custom kernel? |
| 23:11.45 | bahamat | hruske: Failed to fetch http://amd64.debian.net/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 23:11.48 | fuag | covux: nope |
| 23:11.49 | stew | fuag: see if hotplug loaded it |
| 23:12.10 | hruske | bahamat, are you even literate? |
| 23:12.22 | bahamat | hruske: I have a good mirror |
| 23:12.22 | hruske | bahamat, go read the link. |
| 23:12.26 | fuag | stew: nope |
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| 23:12.36 | Withdraw | is it common to be able to boot of a sd card? |
| 23:12.59 | abrotman | bahamat: /j #debian-amd64 |
| 23:13.01 | fuag | abrotman: would a modprobe snd-intel8x0 load all other needed modules automatically? |
| 23:13.04 | hruske | bahamat, then you've got the wrong architecture installed |
| 23:13.07 | bahamat | hruske: ok, I don't see how that relates |
| 23:13.19 | bahamat | abrotman: I tried, they didn't know |
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| 23:13.40 | bahamat | abrotman: but I figured a question of "how does debian determine it's arch" is more suted in here |
| 23:13.47 | hruske | bahamat, seems more like you've got i386 installed |
| 23:14.01 | bahamat | hruske: that may be...I'm not the one who installed this server |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | bahamat: it's thier stuff .. jeez |
| 23:14.02 | hruske | check your dpkg-architecture |
| 23:14.05 | andy_ | abrotman: thanks much for the link. x is going again |
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| 23:14.36 | bahamat | hruske: yea, it all says i386 |
| 23:14.44 | abrotman | andy_: uhm .. ok |
| 23:14.45 | abrotman | i think |
| 23:14.45 | andy_ | abrotman: any idea on the timeline for nvidia glx to work again? |
| 23:14.51 | hruske | bahamat, there you go. |
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| 23:15.06 | abrotman | andy_: not that i'm aware . and it is debian/unstable .. and named such for a reason :) |
| 23:15.09 | fuag | abrotman: ok snd_intel8x0 is loaded |
| 23:15.20 | abrotman | and in use ? |
| 23:15.25 | bahamat | hruske: dang...is that the only place that apt/debconf look for that kind of info? |
| 23:15.36 | fuag | abrotman: but amixer stil fails |
| 23:15.41 | andy_ | abrotman: unstable i understand. I like to live by the seat of my pants |
| 23:15.47 | fuag | abrotman: as well as trying to play a sound |
| 23:15.51 | hruske | bahamat, what are you trying to od' |
| 23:16.15 | fuag | abrotman: no mixer elements and/or devices found |
| 23:16.33 | bahamat | hruske: well, at current I'm running under the assumption that the system was installed amd64 and somehow got changed to i386 |
| 23:16.41 | abrotman | andy_: ok |
| 23:16.44 | bahamat | hruske: I"m not sure if that's possible, but if so I want to go back |
| 23:16.47 | abrotman | fuag: are you root or user ? |
| 23:16.50 | Drizzt321 | anyone know what APIC error on CPU0: 04(04) means? By that I mean what kind of problem? |
| 23:16.52 | terr | what is the default IRQ for com3?? eg /dev/ttyS2 |
| 23:16.57 | andy_ | abrotman: also I fairly confused about this whole X.org bit. Anywhere I can go to read what debain is doing with x.org and how it relates to xfree86? |
| 23:16.59 | mo1991 | anyone know of a better way to get wireless working than the linux-wlan-gn package in unstable? I use a MN-520 card using orinoco driver - not very stable it seems |
| 23:17.05 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 23:17.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | andy_: ^^ |
| 23:17.09 | bahamat | hruske: but if it turns out that it was installed as i386 then I'll just reinstall |
| 23:17.15 | hruske | bahamat, if you're running x86_64 kernel you can debootstrap |
| 23:17.43 | fuag | sigh |
| 23:17.53 | andy_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:18.21 | shining | fuag: why? just run alsaconf |
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| 23:18.41 | bucky | bahamat, it might help if you get the amd64 install image |
| 23:18.41 | bucky | http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:18.44 | shining | fuag: install the needed alsa packages before |
| 23:18.48 | fuag | shining: because alsaconf doesnt detect my sound card |
| 23:18.50 | abrotman | fuag: there are people well versed in nvidia stuff .. they just don't seem to be here |
| 23:18.51 | abrotman | !alsa |
| 23:18.51 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 23:18.57 | bahamat | bucky: I have it |
| 23:18.57 | Ireul | bye all and tx |
| 23:18.58 | shining | fuag: ho :) |
| 23:19.15 | aargh | question on make-kpkg, when you change something from built in to a module, do you have to do make-kpkg clean and then recompile with make-kpkg... i ask this because when i do make-kpkg without make-kpkg clean, it doesn't work, i.e, the stuff that i wanted as a module is still built in |
| 23:19.21 | covux | fuag: maybe its stoopid question but are you 100% sure that uve activated the onboardsound in youre bios settings? |
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| 23:19.36 | fuag | covux: yeah |
| 23:19.36 | bahamat | bucky: and this server /was/ installed as amd64, it has kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 deb installed |
| 23:20.01 | bahamat | bucky: but the kernel was upgraded later, and amd64 was specified in the kernel config |
| 23:20.18 | bucky | bahamat, you need to know your repositories and enter them in the sources.list when you install.. afaik |
| 23:20.35 | bucky | hopefully the amd64 repos |
| 23:20.44 | TOK | please, which version supporting USB on boot, my ps2 is fucked |
| 23:20.53 | bucky | fuag, did you run alsaconfig ? |
| 23:21.05 | bahamat | bucky: no, the cd did it |
| 23:21.18 | fuag | bucky: sigh, yeah it doesnt detect sound card |
| 23:21.30 | fuag | bucky: i got it to load the right alsamodules |
| 23:21.42 | fuag | bucky: i jsut need to configure alsa, I can do it manually I jsut forget where teh file is |
| 23:21.44 | bahamat | bucky: my sources.list is correct for amd64, but when I apt-get update it's grabbing i386 sources |
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| 23:21.58 | covux | fuag: looking in /var/log/messages after youve re/loaded the snd module could be helpfull |
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| 23:22.24 | bucky | fuag, that's why you need discover and get emu10k1 out of /etc/modules... that's oss |
| 23:22.26 | bahamat | my currently running kernel config even says CONFIG_MK8=y |
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| 23:22.56 | fuag | bucky: i have discover |
| 23:23.05 | fuag | bucky emu10k1 isnt in /etc/modules |
| 23:23.06 | bucky | fuag, reboot? |
| 23:23.15 | fuag | bucky: already rebooted since installing discover |
| 23:23.20 | abrotman | bahamat: uname -a .. please |
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| 23:23.46 | bucky | fuag, i install alsa-oss and aumix to turn the volume up... ymmv |
| 23:23.50 | bahamat | abrotman: :-( Linux astrotrain 2.6.11.12-astrotrain1 #1 Tue Jun 21 09:38:36 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:24.03 | fuag | nothing in /var/log/messages usefull |
| 23:24.03 | abrotman | bahamat: guess why |
| 23:24.08 | bahamat | abrotman: tell me |
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| 23:24.21 | abrotman | shouldn't that say amd64 instead of i686 ? |
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| 23:24.41 | fuag | grr I'm positive that the reason it isnt working is because the configuration file for alsa is not set up right yet, or at all, I know how to do it manually i just forget the name |
| 23:24.41 | abrotman | bahamat: see if #debian-amd64 will verfiy that .. i don't have an amd64 here |
| 23:24.49 | bahamat | abrotman: yea, I think so too |
| 23:24.50 | fuag | its something really easy like alsa.conf |
| 23:24.53 | fuag | but i cant find it |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | $ uname -a |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | Linux alpha1 2.4.27-2-generic #1 Sun May 29 18:40:58 UTC 2005 alpha GNU/Linux |
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| 23:25.23 | cartel_ | morning gentlemen |
| 23:25.28 | abrotman | fuck morning! |
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| 23:25.33 | abrotman | oh .. morning fuck ... |
| 23:25.33 | bahamat | abrotman: yea, that's what I would expect to see, I don't know how this thing changed it's idenity |
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| 23:25.42 | abrotman | bahamat: YOU compiled your kernel :) |
| 23:25.44 | cartel_ | is there any way to find out what repository a given package came from |
| 23:25.44 | RichiH | abrotman: a morning fuck? |
| 23:25.52 | abrotman | bahamat: i would verify that with #debian-amd64 |
| 23:26.00 | abrotman | RichiH: you know .. before work .. a little shaggin' |
| 23:26.00 | covux | fuag: try "alsactl store" as root |
| 23:26.02 | MrKeuner | hi, what is the difference between a default upgrade and a smart upgrade in synaptic? |
| 23:26.02 | bahamat | abrotman: they said it should be x86_64 |
| 23:26.08 | RichiH | abrotman: actually, those are the best |
| 23:26.17 | bahamat | abrotman: actually, I didn't compile it, but it's set to CONFIG_MK8 |
| 23:26.24 | RichiH | abrotman: between 0900 and 1000, a male is in the best mood for sex |
| 23:26.25 | abrotman | RichiH: i had an ex with a morning sex drive .. that was great :) |
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| 23:26.38 | abrotman | RichiH: she'd wake up horny .. yay me |
| 23:26.39 | fuag | covux: save_state:1163: No soundcards found. . . |
| 23:26.47 | RichiH | abrotman: i have a gf with named advantage |
| 23:26.49 | abrotman | bahamat: someone compiled it |
| 23:26.56 | abrotman | RichiH: she runs bind9 ? |
| 23:27.18 | bahamat | abrotman: yes, that's true, but the arch type is correct (ie, kernel is compiled as amd64) |
| 23:27.19 | RichiH | abrotman: she runs debian since juny, but i installed & configured that |
| 23:27.20 | covux | fuag: damn :-/ so the module loads but doesnt detect the chip. wierd |
| 23:27.32 | RichiH | abrotman: she only chose the kidslinux theme for kde :p |
| 23:27.35 | bucky | bahamat, someone used the 386 installer on an amd64 machine |
| 23:27.41 | fuag | covux: yeah, im using the newer version nforce2-s2 maybe thats why |
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| 23:27.51 | shingouz | RichiH: you sure she is old enough? |
| 23:27.56 | abrotman | RichiH: oh .. goodie |
| 23:28.01 | bahamat | bucky: no, because the original kernel on that box is vmlinuz-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 23:28.04 | fuag | covux: yeah, but i've gotten alsa working almost hassle free under gentoo and ubuntu |
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| 23:28.07 | abrotman | bahamat: then your system is messed u p? |
| 23:28.20 | RichiH | shingouz: yes. but as a grrl, she tends to prefer cute guis |
| 23:28.25 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k8 |
| 23:28.28 | bahamat | abrotman: yes, it's messed up, I'm trying to figure out how it got that way so I can avoid doing it a second time |
| 23:28.33 | fuag | covux: theres an alsa.conf file somewhere you can edit manually and put in what they give you on the alsa site for your soundcard and it works |
| 23:28.41 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 23:28.44 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12938 kB, Installed size: 45492 kB |
| 23:28.46 | abrotman | bahamat: and that's on my 32bit intel box |
| 23:28.52 | fuag | covux: i'm sure being able to look at that file would tell me whats wrong |
| 23:28.54 | shingouz | RichiH: lucky for you it is cute guis and not cute guys ;) |
| 23:28.56 | RichiH | abrotman: but i can be quite content. gf and parents are running linux, support work nearly zero |
| 23:29.05 | RichiH | shingouz: heh |
| 23:29.08 | abrotman | RichiH: as it should be! |
| 23:29.12 | bahamat | abrotman: I believe you, but I dare you to get your i386 installer cd to give that to you |
| 23:29.15 | RichiH | abrotman: indeed |
| 23:29.17 | shingouz | amen on that abrotman |
| 23:29.22 | bucky | bahamat do you work in a Gay Arab Sushi Bar? |
| 23:29.23 | bahamat | abrotman: as the default kernel, that is |
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| 23:29.26 | abrotman | bahamat: i wouldn't dare . i run P4 :) |
| 23:29.30 | ec | :) |
| 23:29.34 | abrotman | bahamat: you can get the installer to give you that |
| 23:29.38 | bahamat | abrotman: neither would I ;-) |
| 23:29.41 | RichiH | now if k3b would only erase this cd-rw |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | bahamat: if you use netinst .. you can have it download your kernel |
| 23:30.05 | RichiH | abrotman: you can choose a different kernel at install time? |
| 23:30.08 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.09 | bahamat | abrotman: but doesn't it leave the generic 386 kernel? |
| 23:30.19 | abrotman | bahamat: nope |
| 23:30.28 | covux | fuag: usually u dont need to edit alsa.conf manually. maybe the kernel version and included alsa modules are too old to detect the soundchip. try the unstable branch in debian (if u dont need this installation for serious work) ;-) |
| 23:30.35 | bahamat | RichiH: yea, if you use aptitude at the end you can do all kinds of stuff |
| 23:30.46 | abrotman | RichiH: yep . might be a debconf/priority=medium thing though |
| 23:30.56 | fuag | covux: but lets say i do have to edit the alsa.conf manually, where is it? |
| 23:31.04 | fuag | covux: im already in testing |
| 23:31.21 | abrotman | Ronin: sorry |
| 23:31.27 | bucky | RichiH, if you use the function keys at the boot prompt on the installer you can read about using different kernels |
| 23:31.41 | DoppelGanger | ec: you stalker |
| 23:31.44 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 23:31.47 | Ronin | heh dont want to know why abrotman needs to buy me |
| 23:31.52 | ec | Hello Ganger. :) |
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| 23:32.03 | covux | fuag: my alsa.conf is here /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 23:32.12 | abrotman | Ronin: the movie! |
| 23:32.16 | abrotman | Ronin: it's on tv again |
| 23:32.30 | Withdraw | when i first installed debian it gave me the option of installing a desktop enviroment how do i go back to that option |
| 23:32.33 | bucky | covux, that's a back up file in the docs |
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| 23:32.38 | shingouz | abrotman: Kurosawa? |
| 23:32.38 | Ronin | *phew* |
| 23:32.40 | abrotman | Withdraw: tasksel |
| 23:32.42 | RichiH | bucky: yah, i know. right now, i am trying to convince the installer it does indeed know about linux26 |
| 23:32.44 | covux | bucky: k ;-) |
| 23:32.45 | abrotman | shingouz: Ronin! |
| 23:32.50 | Guerin | abrotman: what colour is the boathouse at SAS HQ? |
| 23:32.56 | fuag | damn, that wasnt the file i was thinking of |
| 23:32.57 | DoppelGanger | ec: enjoying the show? |
| 23:33.00 | abrotman | shingouz: http://imdb.com/title/tt0122690/ |
| 23:33.02 | Withdraw | ok thanks |
| 23:33.06 | Ronin | abrotman: its a trick question, run run fast |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | Guerin: there is no boathouse! |
| 23:33.11 | fuag | gah, how come alsa has to be such a prik in debian |
| 23:33.11 | Guerin | shingouz: abrotman doesn't have enough taste to watch Kurosawa |
| 23:33.15 | ec | Ganger: Indeed... how long have you been using debian? ;p |
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| 23:33.23 | abrotman | Guerin: that's right .. i only watch crap! |
| 23:33.28 | bucky | RichiH, are you installing right this second? |
| 23:33.34 | Guerin | well, you ARE from philly |
| 23:33.42 | shingouz | Guerin: that is why i asked the question. and it sure seems like he does not know who Kurosawa was |
| 23:33.45 | fuag | right... fine, moving to unstable in order to get alsa working.. somehow it doesnt seem like i should have to do that |
| 23:33.53 | DoppelGanger | ec: desktop 3 months |
| 23:34.02 | RichiH | bucky: i am trying to.. |
| 23:34.08 | fuag | especially with somehting as common as nforce |
| 23:34.12 | ec | Ganger: do you prefer it over.. over.. the "others" :) |
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| 23:34.16 | fuag | everyone i know uses nforce |
| 23:34.17 | Guerin | fuag: nforce is tarware |
| 23:34.20 | jazzanova | hi |
| 23:34.21 | DoppelGanger | ec: nope |
| 23:34.23 | Guerin | tardware |
| 23:34.23 | shingouz | otoh, that movie does have Reno in it... |
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| 23:34.36 | DoppelGanger | ec: i have 4 desktop OS |
| 23:34.44 | jazzanova | how can i install debian over network boot, i don't have a floppy or cdrom |
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| 23:34.45 | CBTC | what arch would one choose for a AMD Sempron CPU? |
| 23:34.48 | jazzanova | ? |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | shingouz: it's actually a good movie .. with a damn fun car chase |
| 23:34.54 | abrotman | CBTC: k7 |
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| 23:34.58 | RichiH | ronin is fun, yes |
| 23:35.02 | abrotman | jazzanova: PXE |
| 23:35.04 | fuag | Guerin: i dunt care what kind of ware it is, I happen to love it and it works in every other distro,, but no other distro is easier to use than debian besides the damn sound config |
| 23:35.07 | CBTC | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:35.21 | ec | Ganger: apt-get is nice though.. :) |
| 23:35.24 | shingouz | abrotman: wanna see car chases? check out the three french movies Taxi, Taxi 2 and Taxi 3 |
| 23:35.31 | fuag | ganger: yeah thats why i wish it would work |
| 23:35.32 | bucky | RichiH, if you have a recent version of the installer you can type linux26 at the boot prompt to install the 2.6 kernel.. the F1 thru F4 keys should tell you that |
| 23:35.33 | abrotman | shingouz: can't i just watch bullit ? |
| 23:35.34 | ecobit | anyone know how to create a new window in a detached screen session and run something in it? |
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| 23:35.43 | CBTC | abrotman: thing is K7 is not listed |
| 23:35.49 | abrotman | CBTC: not listed where ? |
| 23:35.58 | SquareGuy | anyone had luck with sarge and cvscedega intstalling dcom98.exe to be able to install games that use installshield? |
| 23:35.58 | CBTC | apt-build |
| 23:35.59 | shingouz | abrotman: bullitt is b/s compared to taxi. they are seriously insane |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 k7 |
| 23:36.05 | fuag | Ganger: cmon i find it hard to believe that i'm the only one have this problem |
| 23:36.05 | eeyore- | shingouz: want to see a brand-spanking new grand cherokee spin its wheels on moab? |
| 23:36.08 | abrotman | CBTC: oh . i have no idea with k7 ... |
| 23:36.11 | abrotman | CBTC: athlon maybe ? |
| 23:36.12 | eeyore- | shingouz: :-) (guy needs better tires) |
| 23:36.17 | shingouz | hehe |
| 23:36.21 | bahamat | abrotman: bucky: hruske: thanks for your input guys...at least I know I"m not going crazy and this thing confirmed screwed. I'll try rebuilding from scratch |
| 23:36.25 | RichiH | bucky: i know all that. i have installed more debian systems than i can recall. the daily build is from last week. it just does not accept the fact it knows linux26 |
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| 23:36.34 | abrotman | bahamat: yay |
| 23:36.45 | DoppelGanger | well so much for bahamat |
| 23:36.55 | abrotman | RichiH: try debconf/priority=medium |
| 23:36.57 | bucky | RichiH, daily builds suck |
| 23:37.10 | RichiH | bucky: been that way on this box for a month |
| 23:37.10 | terr | does anyone know if a serial mous driver uses an interupt? |
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| 23:37.15 | abrotman | RichiH: i got it to do it forme .. but damned if i can remember how |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | RichiH: i probably forced all packages to be downloaded |
| 23:37.29 | fuag | ok, anyone here know how I should go about setting up my box as a web server |
| 23:37.30 | Guerin | terr: the port it's on does, i reckon |
| 23:37.33 | fuag | my domain is fuag |
| 23:37.36 | shingouz | oh, fluck this for a while. i'll go kick the mailman up a streetlight, get some caffeine and try to install debian on a pcmcia drive off some odd cd. and later make the pcmcia bootable on another computer |
| 23:37.40 | shingouz | brb |
| 23:37.42 | Guerin | fuag: apt-get install apache |
| 23:37.42 | fuag | and the rest is geeksgonewild.com |
| 23:37.49 | fuag | apache's already installed |
| 23:37.49 | RichiH | bucky: thses should be stable, too.. |
| 23:37.49 | bucky | RichiH, you can conduct an expiriment or you can get the stable installer and install debian |
| 23:37.54 | fuag | and loaded |
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| 23:38.02 | Guerin | fuag: then you're set up as a web server! enjoy! |
| 23:38.04 | terr | Guerin: I am trying to track down a possible IRQ conflict with a modem card. ISA bus |
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| 23:38.09 | RichiH | abrotman: it does not even recognize the fact it knows about 'linux26' |
| 23:38.16 | abrotman | RichiH: for amd64 ? |
| 23:38.16 | CBTC | anyone? |
| 23:38.20 | fuag | but doesnt that mean if i try to go to fuag.geeksgonewild.com in a browser it should take me somewhere |
| 23:38.25 | Guerin | terr: leave me out of that horrible dark-ages hardware |
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| 23:38.31 | RichiH | the only things that work are default (== enter) or expert(26) |
| 23:38.35 | abrotman | RichiH: for amd64 ? |
| 23:38.35 | RichiH | abrotman: i386 |
| 23:38.51 | Guerin | fuag: it'll take you wherever you've told the geeksgonewild.com dns servers to take you |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | RichiH: you got a weird image then . the only one i've seen like that is the pure64 installer .. which 2.4 doesn't exist for |
| 23:38.55 | RichiH | bucky: well, i just want to get it to install from the daily :) |
| 23:39.07 | bucky | have fun |
| 23:39.10 | fuag | Guerin: what if i have no clue what im doing and haven't told the dns servers anything yet |
| 23:39.12 | RichiH | bucky: i will :) |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | RichiH: maybe the dailies have dropped it? |
| 23:39.17 | fuag | Guerin: lol |
| 23:39.19 | RichiH | abrotman: it's there |
| 23:39.22 | RichiH | abrotman: i checked :) |
| 23:39.24 | Guerin | fuag: hire a webmaster or ask your host for support |
| 23:39.34 | abrotman | RichiH: you do weird stuff .. you need a hobby :) |
| 23:39.38 | fuag | Guerin: aww, thas so not cool |
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| 23:39.49 | fuag | Guerin: i just wanna host my blog |
| 23:39.58 | Guerin | fuag: fuag.blogspot.com |
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| 23:40.27 | fuag | Guerin: hmm |
| 23:40.36 | RichiH | abrotman: well, the plan is to modify the isolinux.cfg accordingly. i have done this, but atm, my burner does not want to erase my cd-rw |
| 23:40.45 | Guerin | fuag: or livejournal, the original bl0g! |
| 23:40.49 | abrotman | RichiH: use bleach ? |
| 23:41.02 | fuag | Guerin: damnit, really dont want to spend like 3 days installing gentoo when the only thing that doesnt work with debian is alsa.. |
| 23:41.22 | abrotman | fuag: did you try asking #alsa ? |
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| 23:41.32 | fuag | abrotman: nope |
| 23:41.32 | Guerin | fuag: alsa DOES work in debian. |
| 23:41.36 | abrotman | i use alsa |
| 23:41.39 | abrotman | but not nvidia |
| 23:41.53 | fuag | Guerin: gah;, but alsa plays well with nvidia in every other distro i've tried |
| 23:42.09 | fuag | Guerin: using alsaconf none the less |
| 23:42.16 | fuag | Guerin: ima go check in #alsa |
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| 23:43.08 | izzyb | anyone having issues with partman hanging during sarge netinstall? |
| 23:43.11 | Guerin | what driver does this nforce tardware use for sound? |
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| 23:43.22 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 23:43.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
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| 23:43.36 | fuag | yeah, #alsa is dead |
| 23:43.46 | fuag | wait |
| 23:43.46 | fuag | nvm |
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| 23:44.01 | narg | gah, how do you load kernel modules? I havnt had to in so long I forgot :/ |
| 23:44.11 | MobyTurbo | narg: modprobe |
| 23:44.33 | narg | I do modprobe raw1394 (the module I want), and i just get a prompt. |
| 23:44.33 | jim | narg: modprobe is the one that loads dependent modules too |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | narg: modconf |
| 23:44.38 | narg | ah |
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| 23:44.43 | RichiH | abrotman: well, just now k3b decided to drop into state D |
| 23:44.49 | jim | narg: so... successful :) |
| 23:44.57 | RichiH | abrotman: which means it's waiting for io that's not going to happen |
| 23:45.14 | narg | jim: Oh :P |
| 23:45.16 | jim | try lsmod to see if it's really there |
| 23:45.27 | narg | yup |
| 23:45.28 | narg | it is |
| 23:45.34 | narg | I just expected something more than a prompt ;P |
| 23:45.59 | jim | there are rmmod and insmod too, look at their man pages, look at modprobe manpage and lsmod too |
| 23:46.15 | abrotman | RichiH: that's fun .. you should stop using kde :) |
| 23:46.23 | xoz | don't bother with rmmod and insmod... use modprobe |
| 23:46.39 | abrotman | !rmmod |
| 23:46.43 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 23:46.43 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 23:46.51 | jim | you -could- do if modprobe foo; then echo YEEEhawwww; fi |
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| 23:47.12 | jim | if you -really- want to see the yee and the haw |
| 23:47.47 | RichiH | abrotman: i should stop hitting random programs with ctrl-alt-esc when i am angry ;) |
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| 23:47.50 | xoz | jim: overkill.. silence means yesss |
| 23:47.54 | jim | why never? |
| 23:48.09 | jim | xoz: well, I explained that to him |
| 23:48.14 | abrotman | RichiH: oh yeah .. have you tried ctrl-alt-bksp ? |
| 23:48.22 | jim | but he wanted to see something |
| 23:48.40 | jim | !factinfo rmmod |
| 23:48.40 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as rmmod, jim |
| 23:48.44 | xoz | jim: applicable also for women? :) |
| 23:48.45 | jim | !factinfo insmod |
| 23:48.45 | dpkg | insmod -- last modified at Thu Apr 1 14:01:42 2004 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 86 times, last by abrotman, 2m 2s ago. |
| 23:49.01 | RichiH | abrotman: i am shutting everything down for it, yes |
| 23:49.12 | RichiH | abrotman: if that does not work, i will call it a night |
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| 23:49.21 | abrotman | RichiH: good plan |
| 23:49.23 | jim | xoz: I have no idea :P |
| 23:49.24 | RichiH | abrotman: perhaps brb |
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| 23:50.44 | Gumby | has anyone here had success with installing debian (sarge) on a epia ml8000a motherboard? or any epia based boards for that matter? |
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| 23:51.46 | fuag | ok is there anyway i can get alsa 1.0.9b with debian? |
| 23:51.54 | fuag | without upgrading my whole system to sid? |
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| 23:52.11 | abrotman | !info alsa etch |
| 23:52.13 | abrotman | !info alsa sid |
| 23:52.16 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | !info alsabase sid |
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| 23:52.42 | abrotman | !info alsa-base sid |
| 23:52.44 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 23:52.45 | abrotman | !info alsa-base etch |
| 23:52.46 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:52.47 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9b-2 (etch), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 23:52.54 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 23:53.01 | abrotman | fuag: yep . go to etch |
| 23:53.21 | fuag | um, how? |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | !tell fuag about sarge->etch |
| 23:53.40 | abrotman | fuag: and use etch .. not testin |
| 23:53.41 | abrotman | err testing |
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| 23:55.59 | robin_sz | meep? |
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| 23:56.49 | akhayyat | hi |
| 23:56.56 | MrKeuner | hi, which software is the bot dpkg here? |
| 23:57.17 | akhayyat | when i unplug my external dvd-writer, it cannot work again unless i reboot |
| 23:57.25 | xoz | blootbot |
| 23:57.33 | fuag | lol, how come the latest testing version of alsa is 1.0.4 |
| 23:57.41 | akhayyat | after unluging, dmesg says |
| 23:57.42 | akhayyat | usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 23:57.42 | akhayyat | scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 |
| 23:57.42 | akhayyat | sr 0:0:0:0: Illegal state transition cancel->offline |
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| 23:57.46 | fuag | what does something have to do in debian to get out of testing |
| 23:57.52 | fuag | or forget that, out of unstable |
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| 23:58.29 | rbochan | fuag: clicky clicky http://www.us.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 23:58.35 | akhayyat | any ideas? |
| 23:58.43 | xoz | akhayyat: did you umount before removing the drive? |
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| 23:58.50 | akhayyat | yup |
| 23:59.13 | akhayyat | xoz: yes i did |
| 23:59.30 | xoz | akhayyat: try removing the module for that usb |
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| 23:59.34 | resiak | fuag: It's not? |
| 23:59.39 | xoz | akhayyat: before unplug |
| 23:59.54 | akhayyat | xoz: which module exactly.. lots of modules are involved |
