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| 00:01.35 | deadcat | knighttemplar: yes |
| 00:01.37 | distempr | Apache ssl howto? |
| 00:01.46 | distempr | ie. the "debian" way? |
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| 00:02.12 | knighttemplar | what do you mean ? |
| 00:02.22 | knighttemplar | !tell |
| 00:02.45 | knighttemplar | !tell about testing |
| 00:02.50 | deadcat | !tell knighttemplar about stable->testing |
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| 00:03.05 | knighttemplar | !tell knighttemplar about testing |
| 00:03.08 | deadcat | knighttemplar: use /msg dpkg factoid. dont use ! |
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| 00:03.37 | eggenz7 | hey all..last night i updated with synaptic...now my opengl direct rendering doesnt work..it asked me if i wanted to replace some x files in /etc/X11 and i told it to go ahead |
| 00:03.48 | eggenz7 | it didnt touch XFree86-4 though |
| 00:04.03 | marf | Okay i'm a first timer here ;-), please heandel me with with some care |
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| 00:04.17 | marf | Okay i'm a first timer here ;-), please handle me with with some care |
| 00:04.18 | baikonur | hi |
| 00:04.31 | knighttemplar | deadcat: ok i do and apt-get aptitude , then modified the list then ,apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:04.39 | Wyzard | eggenz7: Are you running sid? |
| 00:04.44 | eggenz7 | sid? |
| 00:04.51 | Wyzard | eggenz7: aka unstable |
| 00:04.52 | Esaj | grr why do most thinkpads have such a low resolution |
| 00:04.54 | eggenz7 | oh yea |
| 00:05.04 | deadcat | knighttemplar: use aptitude dist-upgrade, and thats it. |
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| 00:05.20 | lorien420 | There's a script that keeps popping up in startup, is there a debian tool to deal with startup scripts (other than bash :-P) |
| 00:05.26 | marf | where can I aske questions about kernel compiling? |
| 00:05.26 | Wyzard | eggenz7: I've heard that the new xorg packages conflict with some GL stuff that hasn't been updated yet |
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| 00:05.33 | eggenz7 | not using xorg |
| 00:05.35 | PeTeRB | lorien420: update-rc.d, rcconf |
| 00:05.39 | eggenz7 | using xfree |
| 00:05.53 | Wyzard | eggenz7: If you're using unstable and you upgraded last night, you got xorg |
| 00:06.15 | eggenz7 | k well im using a flavor called simply mepis..still qualify? |
| 00:06.26 | chealer | marf: on #kernel, unless it's debian-specific |
| 00:06.28 | marf | Brb, just taking my smoke ;-) |
| 00:06.30 | Wyzard | eggenz7: Then you're not using Debian, and shouldn't be asking about it here |
| 00:06.34 | Wyzard | eggenz7: #mepis |
| 00:06.39 | deadcat | eggenz7: no. it aint debian. wrong channel |
| 00:06.39 | knighttemplar | !tell knighttemplar about stable -> testing |
| 00:06.43 | eggenz7 | its based off of debian |
| 00:06.44 | nicknicknick | http://pastebin.com/313605 |
| 00:06.47 | deadcat | knighttemplar: use /msg dpkg dammit |
| 00:06.54 | rob_lt | Hey. I've got "alias net-pf-10 off" in /etc/modutils/aliases and "#alias net-pf-10 ipv6" in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, and have run update-modules, but the ipv6 module is still being loaded at boot. |
| 00:06.55 | deadcat | !base on debian |
| 00:06.56 | knighttemplar | lol |
| 00:06.57 | knighttemplar | ok ok |
| 00:06.59 | baikonur | when I want to install openoffice.org on sid I get the following error message: "openoffice.org-bin: Depends: libwpd8 but it is not installable" though libwpd8 is replaced by libwpd8c2. Shall I report a bug for the openoffice.org or for the libwpd8 package or can I somehow manually install the packages anyhow? |
| 00:06.59 | Wyzard | eggenz7: Ozone is based on oxygen, doesn't mean you can breathe it |
| 00:07.01 | knighttemplar | deadcat pm me |
| 00:07.02 | knighttemplar | please |
| 00:07.05 | deadcat | knighttemplar: no |
| 00:07.10 | jazzanova | i want to install windows 2x intdo /dev/hda3 on my drive. can i do this ? |
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| 00:07.13 | FieldySnuts | !irritate knighttemplar |
| 00:07.13 | dpkg | knighttemplar: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my knoppix werkz !!!! |
| 00:07.19 | jazzanova | i am using grub |
| 00:07.24 | Wyzard | eggenz7: It's based on Debian, but it isn't the same as Debian; if it was, it wouldn't be a separate distribution |
| 00:07.31 | eggenz7 | ok |
| 00:07.47 | knighttemplar | deadcat: what does that have to do with anything |
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| 00:07.59 | knighttemplar | i |
| 00:08.18 | knighttemplar | the only thing i want is a clean window , can really read with the irc client im using |
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| 00:09.15 | SDFH_Linux | is kde 3.4 going to be in stable anytime soon? |
| 00:09.24 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: no /topiic |
| 00:10.00 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 00:10.29 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: only security patches will go into stable. untill the next stable. |
| 00:11.35 | knighttemplar | !tell knighttemplar about stable->testing |
| 00:11.42 | marf | ehh hello outthere is this the only debian channel @ freenet? |
| 00:11.56 | chealer | !tell knighttemplar about msg the bot |
| 00:11.56 | deadcat | knighttemplar: are you stupid? use /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 00:12.13 | FieldySnuts | just ignore him if he's annoying you that much |
| 00:12.21 | chealer | marf: AFAIK this isn't freenet |
| 00:12.30 | deadcat | marf: no. try #debian-users |
| 00:12.31 | covux | marf: there also debian channels for other languages |
| 00:12.37 | chealer | irc.freenode.net/#debian |
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| 00:12.52 | Wyzard | and particular user groups, such as #debianppc |
| 00:12.58 | marf | Okay covux thanks , just thank you ;-) |
| 00:12.59 | hanse | donde esta el canal de debian en espaņol? |
| 00:13.04 | chealer | !es |
| 00:13.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:13.17 | hanse | ok thanks dpkg |
| 00:13.19 | hanse | chealer |
| 00:13.21 | hanse | :P |
| 00:13.36 | covux | marf: u asked ;-) |
| 00:13.39 | chealer | ;) |
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| 00:14.19 | marf | Covux:i just checked it but appeared to be empty |
| 00:14.43 | marf | well irc it's new to me but has been a long time |
| 00:15.57 | covux | marf: what are you looking for? |
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| 00:16.06 | cyp | hiii |
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| 00:16.10 | cyp | in debian with grub |
| 00:16.17 | cyp | why compile kernel? |
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| 00:16.33 | hanse | !chile |
| 00:16.49 | marf | covux: well Im trying to get my ramdisk at boot time correct without any kernel panic |
| 00:17.03 | Aonix | hi! Could it be possible that GCC 4.0 is not compiling working kernel module? I get strange errors I didn't get with gcc 3.x... ;( |
| 00:17.11 | chealer | cyp: what's your native language? |
| 00:17.27 | marf | covux: I just compiled my 2.6.12 kernel with ramdisk option enabled |
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| 00:18.21 | marf | covux: just put my kernel @ /boot incl. my initr-' ramdisk ' file |
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| 00:19.00 | knighttemplar | do i have to delete the security mirror? |
| 00:19.09 | knighttemplar | from the sourceslist when updating to sarge |
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| 00:19.36 | chealer | knighttemplar: why would you have to? |
| 00:19.40 | marf | covux: and my initrd"mykernel" file is there with a size off +/- 2.5 Mb |
| 00:19.42 | covux | marf: just know about debian way to compile kernel with initrd enabled and it works with vanilla sources or debian patched sources. |
| 00:19.47 | baikonur | chealer, portuges probably |
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| 00:19.53 | knighttemplar | sarge doesn't have security updates |
| 00:20.21 | chealer | knighttemplar: really? |
| 00:20.21 | caphuso | knighttemplar: it does |
| 00:20.25 | MobyTurbo | knighttemplar: sarge does too have security updates |
| 00:20.40 | knighttemplar | Two important things: testing gets NO security updates. |
| 00:20.49 | cyp | compile kernel |
| 00:20.49 | MobyTurbo | knighttemplar: sarge is stable now |
| 00:20.51 | marf | covux: I upgrade woody to sarge testing by altering my /etc/apt/source.list file |
| 00:21.00 | cyp | i use with grub |
| 00:21.12 | cyp | make dep; make ; make modules; make modules_install |
| 00:21.13 | cyp | ??? |
| 00:21.20 | knighttemplar | marf did you just change stable to testing and let aalone the security mirror? |
| 00:21.35 | MobyTurbo | knighttemplar: testing is now etch, sarge is stable |
| 00:21.36 | marf | covux: and also did the apt-get update incl. apt-get upgrade |
| 00:21.49 | covux | cyp: check make-kpkg. really nice scripz |
| 00:21.51 | baikonur | cyp, make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 00:22.05 | marf | covux: this means all realted packeages are in place right? |
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| 00:22.26 | chealer | cyp: no. what language do you speak? |
| 00:23.01 | covux | marf: yep. instead of apt-get upgrade i recommend apt-get dist-upgrade but it should all gone well |
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| 00:23.32 | marf | covux: okay did that to be sure |
| 00:23.59 | Aonix | anyone familiar with gcc4.0 and kernel compilation? |
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| 00:24.18 | marf | sorry aonix, nope |
| 00:24.32 | weilawei | Hi.. I got X.org safely :) However, it did have to remove a few things I want back and I'm wondering if there's a way. VLC, blender, armagetron are the three I care about |
| 00:24.47 | MobyTurbo | Aonix: iyntays |
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| 00:28.22 | knighttemplar | can anybody tell me if i have to edit this line from the sources list deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 00:28.25 | Aonix | MobyTurbo : Sorry? Iyntays? |
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| 00:28.42 | knighttemplar | do i remove the stable and put testing instead |
| 00:28.51 | MobyTurbo | Aonix: If You Need To Ask You Shouldn't |
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| 00:29.16 | MobyTurbo | knighttemplar: you've expressed a wish to run Sarge. Sarge is stable, so all your deb sources should be stable |
| 00:29.21 | M4hd1 | hi, what fs type should I put on fstab for a DVD drive? (it should also read cds) |
| 00:29.25 | Aonix | MobyTurbo: This is not helping me out though... it's like if gcc 4.0 was broken or something... anything I compile won't just compile... or simply wont work in the end... |
| 00:29.55 | bluefox83 | will spamassasin work with Evolution? |
| 00:30.03 | TheAsp | M4hd1: iso9660? |
| 00:30.10 | MobyTurbo | Aonix: frequently the latest gnu C breaks kernel compiling compatability. Use an older GCC to compile your kernel, if for some reason the official images aren't working |
| 00:30.14 | AjLavJo | anyone know of any great violin songs? |
| 00:30.37 | Aonix | MobyTurbo dpkg --reinstall gcc-3.3 ? |
| 00:30.42 | M4hd1 | TheAsp, but r the dvds use this fs type too? |
| 00:30.43 | TheAsp | AjLavJo: anything by a silver mt. zion? |
| 00:30.47 | knighttemplar | ok so i suppose apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade is all right? |
| 00:30.52 | TheAsp | M4hd1: yes, unless they arn' |
| 00:30.53 | TheAsp | t |
| 00:30.58 | bluefox83 | gcc-4.0 fucks up a lot of stuff =( |
| 00:31.01 | M4hd1 | TheAsp, reas smth about having about udf |
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| 00:31.07 | nicknicknick | hi, Debian Sarge: http://pastebin.com/313614 |
| 00:31.08 | chealer | Aonix: what kernel are you building? |
| 00:31.11 | jtaylor | hmm... I bought a cheap little ata controller but when I add it, debian doesnt start. It loads grub, but then says it cant map the hd or something. I left all the cables etc as is, just added the card. Any ideas? |
| 00:31.14 | Aonix | chealer : 2.6.10 |
| 00:31.14 | nicknicknick | what should I do about it? |
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| 00:31.29 | chealer | nicknicknick: give us a preview of your problem |
| 00:31.34 | AjLavJo | anything by who? |
| 00:31.34 | M4hd1 | k |
| 00:31.35 | M4hd1 | tkz =) |
| 00:31.35 | Aonix | bluefox83 : That's what I wanted to hear ;) |
| 00:31.42 | chealer | Aonix: maybe try using 2.6.11/2.6.12 |
| 00:31.47 | TheAsp | M4hd1: i think you can comma seperate fs's to try |
| 00:32.00 | bluefox83 | Aonix, you wont be able to compile plugins for nvidia cards with it |
| 00:32.01 | Aonix | chealer : it's not the compiler that is in problem? |
| 00:32.02 | PeTeRB | nicknicknick: dpkg --purge |
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| 00:32.17 | bluefox83 | Aonix, anything that uses kernel compiling will screw up |
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| 00:32.23 | chealer | Aonix: unlikely which gcc version do you have? |
| 00:32.32 | bluefox83 | cus all the kernels in unstable are compiled with 3.6 |
| 00:32.34 | Aonix | bluefox83 : That's a pain in the arse... it's the first time I get a broken compiler on my linux box ;( |
| 00:32.37 | chealer | s/unlikely which/unlikely. which |
| 00:33.02 | bluefox83 | Aonix, try to go back to gcc-3.6 i can't seem to get my system to do it |
| 00:33.04 | Aonix | chealer 4.0.1-2 |
| 00:33.15 | chealer | bluefox83: gcc 3.6, eh? |
| 00:33.21 | knighttemplar | help: when i do the apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:33.29 | knighttemplar | it doesnt upgrade shit |
| 00:33.30 | bluefox83 | yeah, that's what the 2.6.11 was compiled in |
| 00:33.32 | Aonix | I stil have 3.3.6 ... how can I say to that stu*** thing to use it? |
| 00:33.34 | TheAsp | i want a hovercraft |
| 00:33.40 | nicknicknick | thanks PeTeRB |
| 00:33.53 | chealer | Aonix: that's the best gcc4 you can get...if you don't want to compile with gcc3, try getting a newer kernel. |
| 00:33.56 | bluefox83 | Aonix, i haven't figured that part out just yet.. |
| 00:33.59 | knighttemplar | if anybody is willing to help please pm me |
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| 00:34.18 | PeTeRB | nicknicknick: Use apt-get --purge remove if you want to remove the config files when removing packages, instead of having to do it this way later. |
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| 00:34.25 | Aonix | bluefox83 : I found the answer for you :) |
| 00:34.26 | bluefox83 | chealer, all the kernels in apt are done with gcc 3.6 |
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| 00:34.40 | bluefox83 | Aonix, how!?!?!?! |
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| 00:35.08 | PeTeRB | TheAsp: Haha. /msg dpkg find shit |
| 00:35.09 | chealer | bluefox83: how would you explain $ zcat /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7/buildinfo.gz |
| 00:35.10 | chealer | gcc-3.3.5-3 |
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| 00:35.15 | Aonix | bluefox83 : I think it's something like : 'mv /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-old' and after ':/usr/bin# ln -s gcc3.3 gcc' |
| 00:35.21 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:35.40 | bluefox83 | chealer, whah? |
| 00:35.58 | chealer | bluefox83: do you have some stock kernel on your system? |
| 00:35.59 | bluefox83 | chealer, mine says it was compiled with 3.6 |
| 00:36.10 | bluefox83 | chealer, nope, it was downloaded with apt |
| 00:36.16 | chealer | bluefox83: that's unlikely, since there's no gcc 3.6 |
| 00:36.22 | TheAsp | Pecisk: haha |
| 00:36.46 | chealer | bluefox83: why would a kernel downloaded with APT not be a stock kernel? |
| 00:36.59 | Aonix | bluefox83 : it seems to be working now :D |
| 00:37.00 | bluefox83 | hah, 3.3..sorry |
| 00:37.07 | beardy | knighttemplar: You will have more chance of getting help if you ask a smart question (/msg dpkg smart qustions) here, not asking people to pm you, because very few will do that. |
| 00:37.14 | chealer | bluefox83: stock kernel isn't the same as pristine kernel |
| 00:37.25 | bluefox83 | chealer, sorry i'm sunburnt to hell and not feeling well..i dunno wtf i'm talking about i guess @.@ |
| 00:37.32 | knighttemplar | dude i have been asking but no one helps |
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| 00:38.10 | chealer | bluefox83: no problem...I knew you'd eventually realize :) |
| 00:38.11 | TheAsp | !tell knighttemplar about ask |
| 00:38.55 | chealer | knighttemplar: why should dist-upgrade upgrade shit? |
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| 00:39.09 | TheAsp | W: Unable to locate package shit |
| 00:39.22 | deadcat | shit is in contrib |
| 00:39.23 | chealer | dist-upgrade means upgrade *if possible* |
| 00:39.42 | chealer | deadcat: I'd have thought non-free :) |
| 00:39.55 | deadcat | chealer: hahaha |
| 00:40.52 | marf | covux:thanxs I well start compiking tomorrow eveing got to get my sleep |
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| 00:41.19 | covux | marf: k. n8 |
| 00:41.20 | marf | covux: have to work @ 09:00 CET |
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| 00:41.32 | knighttemplar | first i was asking about updating to sarge all i got what those stupid msgs , and then i asked about modifying the sourceslist , what should i change then deadcat said that i didn't have to , that i should do only the dist-upgrade thing |
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| 00:41.55 | bluefox83 | brb |
| 00:42.02 | deadcat | knighttemplar: if you cant understand taht you shouldnt be using debian at all |
| 00:42.05 | TheAsp | knighttemplar: perhaps you should tell us what you really want to do |
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| 00:42.09 | jtaylor | I add an ATA card to my system. When it boots grub, the linux kernel sees my onboard ide card AFTER the new ATA card causing my HD to show up as hde instead of hda which of course causes init to hang as it cannot find the root partition on hda. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 00:42.44 | TheAsp | jtaylor: put boot on your main controller? |
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| 00:42.53 | chealer | knighttemplar: and which release are you running? |
| 00:42.59 | knighttemplar | woody |
| 00:43.07 | TheAsp | jtaylor: or do you mean it doesnt load the driver? |
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| 00:43.16 | jtaylor | chealer, I am actually running ubuntu hoary |
| 00:43.17 | chealer | knighttemplar: and you followed woody->sarge? |
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| 00:43.41 | DoppelGanger | oh no ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:43.43 | chealer | jtaylor: hehe, I wasn't asking you |
| 00:44.14 | jtaylor | TheAsp, no it sees the IDE card before my onboard. So the card gets enumerated hda, hdb, hdc, hdd and then my onboard gets hde, ... etc |
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| 00:44.21 | knighttemplar | yes |
| 00:44.25 | jtaylor | chealer, heh... whoopps |
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| 00:44.37 | deadcat | temwe gave you they answer. |
| 00:44.44 | TheAsp | jtaylor: oh, ok, so whats wrong? |
| 00:44.50 | deadcat | chealer: i bet he didnt. he got confused with the instruction. |
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| 00:45.08 | beardy | knighttemplar: Then what is the problem? |
| 00:45.09 | jtaylor | TheAsp, well... shouldnt my onboard get hda, hdb, ... ? |
| 00:45.09 | knighttemplar | chealer: but as i said , i asked about the configuring the source.list and deadcat told me not to modify it |
| 00:45.24 | TheAsp | jtaylor: maybe, maybe not. |
| 00:45.32 | jtaylor | TheAsp, that sux :( |
| 00:45.36 | TheAsp | jtaylor: anything to fiddle in your bios? |
| 00:45.37 | jtaylor | TheAsp, any way to force it |
| 00:45.40 | deadcat | knighttemplar: and did you? follow the instruction dpkg is giving you dammit |
| 00:45.55 | TheAsp | jtaylor: or is it just that linux that sees it reversed |
| 00:45.58 | jtaylor | well its the linux kernel that detects it first |
| 00:45.58 | chealer | knighttemplar: what about showing your sources.list and telling us what you'd expect dist-upgrade to do |
| 00:46.06 | jtaylor | i mean that reverses |
| 00:46.21 | TheAsp | jtaylor: cant you just deal with it? :) |
| 00:46.23 | jtaylor | the bios looks at the first disk of its array |
| 00:46.29 | jtaylor | TheAsp, that sux though |
| 00:46.32 | TheAsp | why? |
| 00:46.35 | FieldySnuts | you can pass stuff to the kernel to get it to reverse that, i just forget what |
| 00:46.36 | jtaylor | TheAsp, cause i cant remove the card easily |
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| 00:46.45 | drx | hi all, anyone having troubles with libaspell15? |
| 00:46.48 | jtaylor | TheAsp, and i have a bunch of software raid, lvm things ill have to change too. |
| 00:46.52 | deadcat | i guess hes going back to windows |
| 00:47.00 | FieldySnuts | hopefully |
| 00:47.03 | TheAsp | jtaylor: you can make md detect arrays better |
| 00:47.23 | TheAsp | jtaylor: just use the uuid in your mdadm.conf, and tell it to look for drives in /proc/partitions |
| 00:47.25 | jtaylor | TheAsp, its actually lvm |
| 00:47.25 | deadcat | ya. morons should stick with windows. shouldnt waste time on anything else |
| 00:47.29 | chealer | drx: some sid cluebies do |
| 00:47.29 | TheAsp | jtaylor: oh |
| 00:47.33 | jtaylor | :( |
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| 00:47.39 | TheAsp | jtaylor: put it inside of md? :) |
| 00:47.45 | jtaylor | im just saying this shouldnt really happen |
| 00:47.46 | jtaylor | lol |
| 00:47.50 | TheAsp | jtaylor: there might be a kernel option to swap them |
| 00:47.52 | jtaylor | i dont want to do that really ;( |
| 00:47.54 | jtaylor | ya |
| 00:48.00 | TheAsp | check the docs |
| 00:48.02 | jtaylor | thats what im hoping |
| 00:48.35 | FieldySnuts | i'm positive you can, i just forget how |
| 00:48.49 | TheAsp | yeah |
| 00:49.11 | TheAsp | its been sooooo long since i needed to do anything like that though |
| 00:49.15 | cmorgan | i'm getting an error about no public key available for amd64's udev package, any ideas? |
| 00:49.32 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: any ideas? |
| 00:49.32 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and 42 three-legged oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:50.02 | cmorgan | :-P |
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| 00:51.13 | TheAsp | cmorgan: with the new apt key stuff? |
| 00:51.39 | cmorgan | TheAsp: maybe that isn't installed yet or something? the md5sum matches packages.debian's value, so i'll put it through |
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| 00:52.12 | TheAsp | cmorgan: what is the exact error? |
| 00:52.18 | cmorgan | doh, there are a bunch of them |
| 00:52.30 | drx | chealer, and there's a solution? |
| 00:52.32 | cmorgan | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 00:52.43 | TheAsp | you may have to do something like this: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyid>; gpg --armor --export <keyid> | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:52.51 | TheAsp | cmorgan: thats a warning, not an error |
| 00:52.57 | cmorgan | although apt-get install seems to be working |
| 00:53.10 | TheAsp | but yes, what i said will make that go away |
| 00:53.14 | cmorgan | TheAsp: sure, but when it shows up for the first time in years i'm wondering about a server compromise |
| 00:53.23 | TheAsp | no, new version of apt |
| 00:53.27 | cmorgan | oh ok |
| 00:53.31 | TheAsp | checks signatures now |
| 00:53.36 | cmorgan | very cool |
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| 00:54.16 | cmorgan | now if only i didn't get those kernel panics about pivot_root and /dev/console whenever i dist-upgrade :-) |
| 00:54.25 | TheAsp | cmorgan: udev? |
| 00:54.44 | cmorgan | TheAsp: i'm using udev, yes |
| 00:54.49 | TheAsp | cmorgan: not any more. |
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| 00:54.49 | TheAsp | :) |
| 00:55.04 | cmorgan | TheAsp: when it fails that means i'm not using it? or is udev gone? |
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| 00:55.13 | cmorgan | i thought udev was all new and fancy |
| 00:55.16 | TheAsp | cmorgan: sounds like your real /dev is messed. current udev in sid doesnt work with < 2.6.12 |
| 00:55.24 | Thorrn4 | hello!! Im trying to install Debian through the netinstall CD and Im almost finished I hope, but...I just rebooted it w/o the cd and its looking for the "APT" site to connect to...I tried FTP and HTTP and they both dont work |
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| 00:55.35 | TheAsp | cmorgan: so it could be that too |
| 00:55.39 | cwood | Whee, ABI transition! :) |
| 00:56.00 | cmorgan | TheAsp: hmm. i fixed it with mkinitrd -o /boot/whateverthelatestkernelis |
| 00:56.02 | dvs | cwood: What "transition"? |
| 00:56.17 | dvs | cwood: It worked straight off for me. ;-) |
| 00:56.26 | TheAsp | cmorgan: oh, well then |
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| 00:57.17 | snackalot | hello |
| 00:57.26 | cwood | seemed to have crunked my gaim, but I had another one lurking about. I just am smiling because I found my favourite Debian bug response ever, here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317873 |
| 00:57.42 | cwood | thanks to said transition |
| 00:57.52 | Thorrn4 | can someone please help me wit the installation? |
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| 00:58.33 | MoLoot | cwood: heh that is a good one |
| 00:58.34 | FieldySnuts | do we get to know in what sense? |
| 00:58.34 | cwood | Thorrn4: It may not have loaded a network driver, is my first thought. Or, you don't have dns resolution available, is my second thought. |
| 00:58.37 | cmorgan | well lets see if this dist-upgrade worked :-) |
| 00:58.38 | TheAsp | "Fuck off. Go run gentoo or something and leave me alone." |
| 00:58.39 | TheAsp | haha |
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| 00:58.48 | FieldySnuts | TheAsp: who said that? |
| 00:58.57 | WiFiTux | someone here having problems with xorg and gaim? |
| 00:59.00 | TheAsp | Brian Nelson |
| 00:59.06 | FieldySnuts | who's that? |
| 00:59.07 | WiFiTux | last dist-upgrade bork gaim. |
| 00:59.10 | Thorrn4 | cwood: how can I load it? if its not there? |
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| 00:59.15 | cwood | WiFiTux: See the /topic. |
| 00:59.18 | FieldySnuts | gaim is eternally borked anyway |
| 00:59.19 | TheAsp | FieldySnuts: i'm guessing the maintainer of gaim |
| 00:59.37 | cwood | Thorrn4: It may not be _loaded_, but you can still modprobe it. Do you know what kind of nic is in the machine? |
| 00:59.40 | FieldySnuts | TheAsp: oh. yes, gaim devs are assholes of a new level. only giFT devs are worse. |
| 00:59.47 | snackalot | I would like to know were i can find these man pages |
| 00:59.50 | FieldySnuts | TheAsp: don't even bother talking to them |
| 00:59.53 | cwood | Thorrn4: Or, as a more basic question, do you have any eth interfaces in ifconfig? |
| 00:59.53 | TheAsp | FieldySnuts: hey, i think his response was reasonable |
| 01:00.00 | TheAsp | FieldySnuts: read the url pasted above |
| 01:00.06 | WiFiTux | gaim: Depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:00.07 | FieldySnuts | choke on something |
| 01:00.09 | cwood | It was short, succinct, and quite to the point, given the useless nature of the bug report. :) |
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| 01:00.22 | TheAsp | yeah |
| 01:00.28 | Thorrn4 | cwood: I dont |
| 01:00.51 | cwood | Thorrn4: So when you do 'ifconfig -a' as root, you see only a 'lo' interface? |
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| 01:01.11 | Thorrn4 | cwood: let me checlk |
| 01:01.24 | bluefox83 | this is odd.. |
| 01:01.25 | TheAsp | i think c++ should be banned, it's caused nothing but headaches :) |
| 01:01.27 | glasse | Hey, when I was using mutt, I could set up a cronjob to move my mail folders. Is there any way I can do something similar with Thunderbird? |
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| 01:01.44 | TheAsp | glasse: where is your mail stored? |
| 01:01.50 | bluefox83 | when i type lsmod | grep nvidia after a reboot, it doesn't list anything, and i can modprobe it, and it'll show up.. |
| 01:01.55 | deadcat | drac: how do i know the agpmode on my ibook? ati radeon mobility 7500 |
| 01:02.03 | bluefox83 | but nvidia is in /etc/modules |
| 01:02.09 | glasse | In a long path starting with .mozilla-thunderbird, in several files for each folder, one called Folder, one called Folder.msf, and one called Folder.sbd/ |
| 01:02.09 | dvs | TheAsp: C++ is l33t |
| 01:02.10 | TheAsp | bluefox83: devfs? |
| 01:02.11 | bluefox83 | it's the very first freakin entry |
| 01:02.14 | hanse | pero |
| 01:02.27 | litage | why is it inadvisable to use `kill -9` to kill a ps? |
| 01:02.27 | bluefox83 | TheAsp, say what? |
| 01:02.36 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 01:02.42 | bluefox83 | i dunno, that's how i do it.. |
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| 01:02.43 | TheAsp | bluefox83: nvidia doesnt like to load with devfs |
| 01:02.45 | FieldySnuts | litage: because that is not giving the process a chance to shut down cleanly |
| 01:02.50 | TheAsp | well, it didnt in the past |
| 01:02.58 | FieldySnuts | litage: of course, if -15 doesn't do it, then you don't have much choice |
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| 01:02.59 | bluefox83 | TheAsp, i don't think i have devfs, how would i know if i did? |
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| 01:03.11 | TheAsp | bluefox83: pidof devfsd |
| 01:03.28 | bluefox83 | TheAsp, nothing came up |
| 01:03.29 | Thorrn4 | cwood: I cant get to a command line |
| 01:03.30 | TheAsp | bluefox83: but if you dont know, you probably arnt |
| 01:03.38 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: are you trying to load nvidia before you load any ide/disk drivers? |
| 01:03.45 | cwood | Thorrn4: Try Alt-F2, if you're at the installer screen. |
| 01:03.53 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, ..uh..i guess? |
| 01:04.08 | litage | FieldySnuts: is there anything else besides cleanup that a process doesn't get a chance to do when using -9? |
| 01:04.11 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: try moving it to the end of modules.conf |
| 01:04.15 | Wyzard | daedalus_: If necessary IDE modules weren't loaded, he wouldn't even have been able to mount the root filesystem |
| 01:04.21 | Wyzard | daedalus_: /etc/modules is on the root filesystem |
| 01:04.52 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, ok, done |
| 01:05.08 | daedalus_ | Wyzard.... Hmm... good point. I'm not good with how initrd all works in the grand scheme of things |
| 01:05.34 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: So, you say that if you modprobe, it installs the module just fine/ |
| 01:05.36 | Thorrn4 | cwood: it says eth0 and 'lo'...Im connecting to the internet throught the ethernet |
| 01:05.39 | Wyzard | daedalus_: initrd loads IDE driver modules, but when the root filesystem is mounted, initrd's job is done |
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| 01:05.47 | Wyzard | daedalus_: It doesn't affect the rest of the startup process |
| 01:05.49 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, yeah it loads it just fine |
| 01:06.02 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, but X wont start if i restart it for some reason :/ |
| 01:06.02 | daedalus_ | Wyzard: Kinda figured that (in the afterthought) |
| 01:06.08 | bluefox83 | it gives a very crypting error |
| 01:06.13 | cwood | Thorrn4: So does eth0 have a useful ip address and netmask for your network? |
| 01:06.18 | bluefox83 | *cryptic |
| 01:06.36 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: paste said error in #flood |
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| 01:07.53 | Thorrn4 | cwood: yes I have both |
| 01:08.44 | cwood | Thorn4: If you check 'netstat -rn' and '/etc/resolv.conf', you have a useful default gateway and dns servers? |
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| 01:09.49 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: That's a non-fatal error... what causes it to die? |
| 01:09.58 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, actually..i don't think a single past ewill do, it's giving me errors about my sync being wrong and crap and i used the exact same .conffile i always use |
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| 01:10.25 | daedalus_ | paste in bits then :) |
| 01:10.38 | daedalus_ | or use pastebin/pastebot |
| 01:11.07 | concept10 | Does clamav keep a log of infected files? |
| 01:11.28 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, can i paste the log? |
| 01:11.42 | bluefox83 | er, dcc the log |
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| 01:12.39 | dvs | !paster |
| 01:12.39 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 01:13.43 | tradkiewicz | Hello |
| 01:14.34 | Thorrn4 | cwood: I was able to use the "netstat -rn" and I was able to see the IP of the Gateway, but I cannot access the "/etc/resolv.conf", it said permissioned denied |
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| 01:15.34 | cwood | Thorrn4: You'll have to check inside that file, as in 'cat /etc/resolv.conf'. |
| 01:15.41 | Thorrn4 | cwood: is there a way to change the Host name? I put the wrong one in |
| 01:15.58 | Thorrn4 | cwood: domain name** |
| 01:16.20 | TonyRad | Is there a way to change my monitor settings? However my monitor settings were set I can't get any better resolution than 800x600 |
| 01:16.29 | TonyRad | And it's not really displaying things all that grand either |
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| 01:16.46 | TonyRad | Nor is it taking up the full size of the monitor |
| 01:17.03 | cwood | Thorrn4: That's not your problem right now... can you ping your default gateway, by ip address? |
| 01:17.05 | FieldySnuts | use the damn adjustment features in the monitors menus? |
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| 01:17.24 | Thorrn4 | cwood: how can I do that? |
| 01:17.26 | cwood | Thorrn4: But yes, you can change hostname later. |
| 01:17.35 | FieldySnuts | what is a doppel? |
| 01:17.43 | cwood | Thorrn4: ping the default gateway number... use the ping command. |
| 01:17.54 | TonyRad | I tried that Fieldy, it didn't work that well |
| 01:18.11 | FieldySnuts | xvidtune perhaps, though it's a clunky app |
| 01:18.12 | TonyRad | Oh wait.. You mean those menus.. i don't have those menus. I'm on a laptop. |
| 01:18.24 | FieldySnuts | oh i dunno about all that, sodding laptops. |
| 01:18.28 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: If I read that right, you're using the NV driver and not the nvidia one... |
| 01:18.44 | dvs | TonyRad: What have you tried to change the resolution? |
| 01:18.59 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: German for "double" |
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| 01:19.24 | TonyRad | I went under the Control Center |
| 01:19.29 | glasse | Yay, I figured it out |
| 01:19.37 | glasse | You need to make empty files |
| 01:19.43 | TonyRad | And then displays I think it was called |
| 01:19.49 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, d'oh! |
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| 01:20.41 | TonyRad | Control Center > Peripherals > Display |
| 01:20.42 | MobyTurbo | TonyRad: Debian doesn't have a "control center" (Well, maybe there's one in KDE, but it's not what you want.) |
| 01:20.50 | TonyRad | I'm in KDE |
| 01:20.55 | dvs | TonyRad: Does CTRL-ALT-NUMPAD + work? |
| 01:21.10 | MobyTurbo | !drxx TonyRad |
| 01:21.11 | dpkg | TonyRad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:21.34 | cwood | TonyRad: If /etc/X11/XF86Config (or -4 on the end of that) doesn't have multiple resolutions, you'll only be able to use this one. |
| 01:21.37 | cwood | Worth checking. |
| 01:21.59 | TonyRad | How do I get multiple resolutions? |
| 01:22.54 | MobyTurbo | TonyRad: one of the menus of the above command will provide boxes to select which resolutions to make available and default |
| 01:23.01 | Thorrn4 | cwood: I pinged the Gateway...but it doesnt find it...DESTINATION UNREACHABLE, and it would stop |
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| 01:23.13 | Thorrn4 | cwood: wont stop** |
| 01:23.21 | TonyRad | ok |
| 01:23.27 | cwood | Try the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 there, that's the easiest way of putting more in. And then choose more resolutions apart from the 800x600. |
| 01:24.01 | cwood | Thorrn4: Then the reason you can't use http or ftp for APT is that your default gateway isn't reachable from your other computer, it looks like. Now you've got a plain networking problem to solve... |
| 01:24.18 | TonyRad | ok |
| 01:24.20 | TonyRad | I'll try this |
| 01:24.44 | Thorrn4 | cwood: how do I stop the search...it keeps repeating |
| 01:25.51 | Thorrn4 | cwood: also, how can I change the Host and Domain name? (of the gateway) |
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| 01:26.11 | Thorrn4 | cwood: thats its connecting to |
| 01:26.19 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 01:26.20 | cwood | Thorrn4: ctrl-c to cancel the ping, of course. |
| 01:26.47 | cwood | Thorrn4: Check 'man route' for how to change your default gateway. |
| 01:27.00 | cwood | Or look up man pages online. |
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| 01:28.11 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 01:29.13 | WiFiTux | hi |
| 01:29.21 | trand | hi |
| 01:29.26 | WiFiTux | hi |
| 01:29.51 | tweek-ken- | being umemployed is so depressing |
| 01:30.09 | WiFiTux | lol |
| 01:30.10 | tweek-ken- | apt-get install job |
| 01:30.20 | WiFiTux | apt-get job for-me |
| 01:30.24 | tweek-ken- | damn not found |
| 01:30.28 | WiFiTux | lol |
| 01:30.36 | WiFiTux | I work thou |
| 01:30.38 | trand | apt-get install girlfriend |
| 01:30.38 | WiFiTux | :) |
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| 01:30.55 | WiFiTux | girlfriend already installed, and has all you belongings |
| 01:30.56 | TheAsp | anyone remember lesbian? |
| 01:31.08 | WiFiTux | TheAsp: the debian distro? |
| 01:31.19 | trand | not yet to me ;P |
| 01:31.20 | TheAsp | yeah |
| 01:31.33 | TheAsp | http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 01:31.54 | Golfgeo | Got a question: I a wondering if there is a tool that will enable me to see any routers that are on my subnet, I know etherreal probably can do this, but since I need to sniff on an old P75 without a graphical interfase. So a neet litle console app would be nice... |
| 01:32.04 | tweek-ken- | apt-get remove wife |
| 01:32.07 | hanse | anybody from chile? |
| 01:32.19 | TheAsp | Golfgeo: ethereal without the text interface? :) |
| 01:32.24 | hanse | ??chile |
| 01:32.26 | TheAsp | err |
| 01:32.26 | hanse | ?? chili |
| 01:32.28 | pureone | tethereal ? |
| 01:32.29 | TheAsp | s/text/X/ |
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| 01:32.30 | hanse | errrrrrrr |
| 01:32.32 | hanse | errrrrrrrr |
| 01:32.36 | Golfgeo | tweek-ken- apt-get remove wife --purge ! |
| 01:32.36 | hanse | wn no seai maricon |
| 01:32.38 | hanse | porfa dime |
| 01:32.40 | hanse | o sino me mato |
| 01:32.42 | hanse | telo juro |
| 01:32.43 | hanse | orfa |
| 01:32.45 | tweek-ken- | lol |
| 01:32.52 | Golfgeo | ;-) |
| 01:32.57 | hanse | chuspla maricon |
| 01:33.06 | WiFiTux | hanse: stfu |
| 01:33.10 | Golfgeo | TheAsp, Yea, still a bit on the havy side... |
| 01:33.10 | lildude | il bye hp for linux all in one printer |
| 01:33.21 | Thorrn4 | cwood: thank you |
| 01:33.54 | cwood | quite welcome |
| 01:33.58 | cwood | must be off, good luck |
| 01:34.13 | TheAsp | Golfgeo: would iptraf do what you want? |
| 01:34.38 | Golfgeo | TheAsp, apt-cache showing it now, brb |
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| 01:34.49 | tony400 | What's the command to compare 2 files? |
| 01:34.50 | WiFiTux | iptraf is good |
| 01:35.06 | tony400 | !help comp |
| 01:35.18 | Golfgeo | TheAsp, yep, that seems to be what I'm looking for, thanks mate |
| 01:35.22 | TheAsp | np |
| 01:35.22 | deadcat | diff |
| 01:35.39 | TheAsp | patch |
| 01:36.03 | Golfgeo | TheAsp, nice and little too :-) |
| 01:36.44 | TheAsp | yeah, its handy |
| 01:37.39 | karsten | ... who hasn't yet read the classic: http://www.bash.org/?111338 |
| 01:37.46 | karsten | TheAsp: diff |
| 01:37.47 | deadcat | karsten: hell no (= |
| 01:37.56 | karsten | tony400: Um. diff. |
| 01:38.01 | alekzandr | i have a colocated debian server, recently upgraded from woody to sarge, and it hs crashed twice today, it was up for over 400 days until recently, i don't even know how to begin diagnosing this. what should i be looking at? |
| 01:38.12 | karsten | alekzandr: Logs. |
| 01:38.26 | TheAsp | oh, didnt see the question |
| 01:38.33 | TheAsp | i though diff was just a random spewing |
| 01:38.33 | TheAsp | :) |
| 01:38.35 | karsten | TheAsp: Misfire. |
| 01:38.40 | karsten | TheAsp: ... it was ;-) |
| 01:38.49 | TheAsp | nono, before i said patch :) |
| 01:38.50 | karsten | alekzandr: When was the server manufactured? |
| 01:38.53 | hanse | ??espaņol |
| 01:38.56 | hanse | ??hispanoamericano |
| 01:38.56 | karsten | alekzandr: .... and where is it hosted. |
| 01:38.58 | karsten | !es |
| 01:38.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:39.01 | WiFiTux | wang lol |
| 01:39.09 | karsten | WiFiTux: Innit just? |
| 01:39.10 | hanse | :P thanks u karrsten |
| 01:39.25 | WiFiTux | karsten: what? |
| 01:39.43 | karsten | WiFiTux: ... I just sent that to a friend who's looking forward to the book. And he's a healthcare actuary in his 40s... |
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| 01:39.49 | karsten | WiFiTux: 'innit' == isn't it. |
| 01:39.58 | karsten | hanse: De nada |
| 01:40.02 | weilawei | Hi.. I got X.org safely :) However, it did have to remove a few things I want back and I'm wondering if there's a way. VLC, blender, armagetron are the three I care about. Any way to get them back? Maybe source deb? |
| 01:40.05 | WiFiTux | karsten: yeah. is good. gracias |
| 01:40.33 | jumat | wah..soto da datang, brb makan soto dolo all |
| 01:40.39 | dk0rrr | anyone know how to edit /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/us to allow for control+clicking on ppc ? |
| 01:40.41 | karsten | alekzandr: is that server local or remote? What're temps like in the facility? Check system, kernel, warn logs |
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| 01:40.58 | stew | dk0rrr: have you asked in #debianppc ? |
| 01:41.03 | dk0rrr | yes |
| 01:41.03 | weilawei | oh and gaim |
| 01:41.29 | karsten | weilawei: Um. 'aptitude install <package list> |
| 01:41.48 | weilawei | karsten, unstable here.. unmet dependencies.. |
| 01:41.50 | karsten | weilawei: ... if it can't install 'em it'll tell you why. Shouldn't have to do with x.org. |
| 01:41.59 | karsten | weilawei: dependencies |
| 01:42.01 | karsten | deadcat: weilawei |
| 01:42.04 | karsten | Um. |
| 01:42.08 | karsten | dependencies: weilawei |
| 01:42.14 | karsten | weilawei: There, now you've met. |
| 01:42.18 | weilawei | see it refuses to install some of the dependencies without uninstallin everything else |
| 01:42.26 | karsten | weilawei: You should be able to resolve them w/ aptitude, interactively. |
| 01:42.33 | weilawei | ive got synaptic |
| 01:42.56 | karsten | weilawei: Well... read /topic |
| 01:43.07 | karsten | weilawei: x.org => breakage, welcome to unstable. |
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| 01:43.27 | weilawei | karsten, i know ;) i'm just wondering if im going to end up back where i started eventually by means of evertything getting removed and older versions installed |
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| 01:43.58 | karsten | weilawei: Well, you can try resolving, and/or check BTS, and/or file bugs. |
| 01:46.12 | weilawei | yeah i know how to resolve it and ill get there eventually after reinstalling half my system to do it in order ;) |
| 01:46.28 | weilawei | i was just wondering if there was an easy way |
| 01:46.41 | weilawei | never having used a source deb package |
| 01:46.43 | karsten | weilawei: You can dump/load package selections w/ dpkg --get-selections ; dpkg --set-selections |
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| 01:47.05 | tony400 | !help me |
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| 01:47.38 | deadcat | dont panic! |
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| 01:48.10 | weilawei | heh |
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| 01:48.17 | kagure | who |
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| 01:51.44 | weilawei | karsten, it's amazing how most of my package problems seem to hinge on gedit |
| 01:51.49 | weilawei | the wonder of dependencies |
| 01:51.55 | weilawei | through 7 or 8 layers |
| 01:52.15 | Golfgeo | anyone used flowscan? |
| 01:52.19 | weilawei | apt-get remove life |
| 01:52.26 | weilawei | apt-get install life2 |
| 01:52.30 | segment | hi, im having a few problems with my sound card, it worked fine before. Ive compiled the sound drivers in staticly and i've checked the permissions on /dev/dsp* and /dev/mixer and they're ok, the sound is up but gnome mixer says no mixer elements and/or devices found |
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| 01:52.38 | karsten | Golfgeo: WTF's that? |
| 01:52.45 | weilawei | karsten, oh itll get put back its just a bunch of version conflicts |
| 01:52.55 | d0s4gw | anyone feel like helping me set up a USB printer under sarge? |
| 01:52.55 | nvz | that would be kinda funny if there was someone by the name dependencies actuall here |
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| 01:53.32 | karsten | !tell d0s4gw about cups |
| 01:53.56 | segment | dmesg finds the sound card along with the ac97 onboard sound |
| 01:54.09 | weilawei | d0s4gw, wouldnt know how.. mine set itself up without any help from me |
| 01:54.12 | dvs | !ac97 |
| 01:54.12 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 01:54.28 | segment | what if i dont want to use ac97 |
| 01:54.33 | Golfgeo | karsten apt-cache show flowscan |
| 01:54.37 | weilawei | lmfao |
| 01:54.39 | weilawei | ac97 is a CODEC |
| 01:54.49 | weilawei | it encodes and decodes audio. it doesnt do hardware. |
| 01:54.53 | weilawei | you need a drive for that |
| 01:54.58 | weilawei | *driver |
| 01:55.00 | karsten | Golfgeo: Interesting. |
| 01:55.27 | segment | weilawei, i dont intend on using the onboard sound, i have a sound blaster live |
| 01:55.42 | steve_ | ugh- i changed the document root in apache2 from /var/www to /var/www/html and it doesnt work |
| 01:55.43 | nvz | segment: which probably uses ac97 too |
| 01:55.45 | segment | do i still need the via82cxxx_audio codec in the kernel? |
| 01:55.47 | segment | ahh ok |
| 01:55.48 | steve_ | any suggestionms? |
| 01:55.49 | segment | fair enough thanks |
| 01:56.03 | nvz | a lot of modern sound cards have ac97 codecs |
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| 01:56.19 | dvs | segment: You want the emu10k1 driver |
| 01:56.23 | nvz | segment: sblive uses the emu10k1 driver for OSS or snd_emu10k1 for alsa |
| 01:56.29 | kreg | anyone know what the trick is to get win32 clients running Dreamweaver to use ftp to connect to a debian box running sshd? |
| 01:56.36 | segment | dvs: i have the emu10k1 driver staticly compiled into the kernel |
| 01:56.39 | kreg | "sftp" |
| 01:56.39 | Golfgeo | karsten, Perhaps, I have a feeling that is is a reporting tool and not an interactive program... |
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| 01:57.09 | karsten | Golfgeo: My read is monitoring. Read the packages pages: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 01:58.34 | kalepos | i know debian doesn't maintain a package, but has anyone here had any experience installing stepmania on a debian box? |
| 01:58.34 | Golfgeo | karsten, I didn't quite understand what you ment... |
| 01:58.34 | muhoo | i need to figure out how to samba in to an XP "Pro" (bah) based workgroup printer, and i don't know fuck-all about windoze. what channel here would be good to get pointers to info? |
| 01:58.44 | muhoo | is there a #samba? |
| 01:58.50 | nvz | muhoo: yes |
| 01:59.02 | karsten | Golfgeo: A URL generally implies reading it. You can get packages information there, including extended docs. |
| 01:59.04 | muhoo | indeed. ok, i'll go bug them. thanks. |
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| 01:59.12 | karsten | Golfgeo: ... there's a whitepaper at the project homepage as well. |
| 01:59.15 | FieldySnuts | yes but it's almost eternally idle, you should.. okay nevermind, then. |
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| 01:59.28 | weilawei | karsten, going deeper, it's capplets... |
| 01:59.32 | weilawei | whatever those are |
| 01:59.40 | weilawei | but gnome-core seems to depend on them @_@ |
| 01:59.53 | dvs | weilawei: No Shakespeare in here! ;-) |
| 02:00.08 | karsten | weilawei: Aye. You're basically justifying my rationale for not running GNOME on unstable systems. |
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| 02:00.15 | karsten | weilawei: *Way* too many fscking deps. |
| 02:00.26 | Golfgeo | karsten, I know, but I like apt-cache to search on keywords... It's a bit faster and includes non standerd deb depositories... |
| 02:00.30 | weilawei | karsten: hehe by the time im done, it'll be back to testing |
| 02:00.36 | fooz | twm and xterm is all you really need |
| 02:00.39 | Golfgeo | karsten (That I use) |
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| 02:00.43 | weilawei | i like xfce4 :) |
| 02:00.46 | weilawei | but im lazy |
| 02:00.59 | kalepos | yay for enlightenment, the window manager people think died years ago |
| 02:01.00 | karsten | weilawei: Whatevah. |
| 02:01.00 | weilawei | i can resolve dependencies but i cant entirely switch desktops again |
| 02:01.25 | steve_ | hey i changed the document root in apache2 in httpd.conf, but it still goes to /apache2-default |
| 02:01.29 | steve_ | any ideas? |
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| 02:01.46 | pingouin | did you restart you're apache after the change ? |
| 02:01.50 | simonrvn | did you HUP apache2? |
| 02:02.22 | dvs | steve_: Look at your /etc/apache2/available-sites/default file |
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| 02:04.57 | madmavric | mr abrotman around tonight? |
| 02:05.20 | useruser | !seen abrotman |
| 02:05.20 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@abrotman.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 56m 35s ago, saying: 'erm .. i thought they had a channel'. |
| 02:05.21 | simonrvn | no, probably earlier |
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| 02:05.58 | madmavric | trying to get deb running on this 915G chipset again |
| 02:06.07 | dvs | deb? |
| 02:06.20 | rixth | How can I find out what drives are attached to my system even if they are not mounted? |
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| 02:06.28 | madmavric | ya deb is a version of windows lol |
| 02:06.28 | dk0rrr | how do i just shut down and turn power off? I tried "shutdown -P now" but its not working |
| 02:06.33 | Teufel | Does anyone know how to change what user you are logged into with mozilla firefox? |
| 02:06.38 | dvs | rixth: fdisk -l |
| 02:06.48 | LiquiDark | does anyone know why a keyboard and monitor would both suddenly stop working with one computer, when the mouse still works and everything works with another computer? |
| 02:07.06 | rixth | dvs, thanks |
| 02:07.11 | dvs | no prob |
| 02:08.00 | weilawei | geeks are unstable.. they will reinstall half their system in order to get 1 theme for KDE because they like eric3 and yet run Gnome. Scary. |
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| 02:08.18 | fooz | ... |
| 02:08.19 | steve_ | okay- i edited my sites-availible/default file- but still it goes to /apache2-default |
| 02:08.36 | fooz | you must mean "users" |
| 02:08.39 | dvs | steve_: What did you change? |
| 02:08.47 | nvz | rixth: dmesg will tell you as well |
| 02:09.00 | dvs | steve_: More importantly, did your restart apache2? |
| 02:09.06 | steve_ | oh no |
| 02:09.11 | steve_ | gotta restart? |
| 02:09.16 | dvs | of course |
| 02:09.17 | steve_ | how do i restart? |
| 02:09.18 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:09.33 | dvs | invoke-rc.d apache2 restart |
| 02:09.38 | steve_ | also- some people say i should use 1.3 instead of 2 |
| 02:09.44 | steve_ | with my low skill level |
| 02:09.45 | weilawei | if everything hard and crazy wasn't done by smart people because they deemed it too crazy to waste time on, nothing would ever get done |
| 02:09.49 | weilawei | sometimes stupidity works wonders :) |
| 02:09.50 | steve_ | what say you? |
| 02:10.04 | dvs | I've had no problems with Apache 2. |
| 02:10.07 | nvz | LiquiDark: try being less ambiguous with your information |
| 02:10.09 | Teufel | anyone know of a way to copy + paste using putty? |
| 02:10.20 | dvs | Plue apache 1.3 isn't supported by Apache anymore |
| 02:10.26 | nvz | LiquiDark: use details significant to your audience |
| 02:10.29 | madmavric | does vesa driver support 1024x768? |
| 02:10.29 | chealer | Teufel: use -ProfileManager |
| 02:10.30 | steve_ | really!?!?! |
| 02:10.39 | steve_ | then apache 2 is the way to go! |
| 02:10.40 | asg | madmavric: yes |
| 02:10.40 | Teufel | chealer: ? |
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| 02:10.49 | madmavric | asg thanks |
| 02:11.04 | chealer | Teufel: man firefox |
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| 02:11.14 | steve_ | ack- restarted the server and it still goes to apache2-default |
| 02:11.20 | d0s4gw | wow, i cant believe it. samsung has a gui install for my printer under linux. amazing |
| 02:11.47 | steve_ | wait- it doesn't autmatically go to index.php |
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| 02:12.03 | steve_ | how do i make it go to index.php? |
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| 02:12.16 | sparr_ | I am having some trouble with grub trying to dual boot into windows. Firstly, my grub device map is wrong and I can't figure out why. Secondly, it won't boot windows for me, I just get a grub shell. All sorts of troubleshooting and explanation here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fyKQQl48.nln.html |
| 02:12.16 | nvz | LiquiDark: can start with basics if its going to be a hard thing for you.. what version of debian do you use (cat /etc/debian_version), what environment? gnome, kde, console(bash, csh..)? what exactly does doesn't work mean? does it sit around all day, need more money? |
| 02:12.18 | Teufel | chealer: don't see profile manager anywhere... |
| 02:12.20 | initech | steve_: grep Index /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 02:12.54 | Teufel | chealer: and I wanted to do it for windows btw... heh |
| 02:12.54 | steve_ | grepper: /etc/apache/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 02:12.56 | dvs | initech: apache2.conf you mean? |
| 02:13.06 | steve_ | grepper: /etc/apache/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 02:13.09 | LiquiDark | nvz: well, you could be more specific about what you would find useful, but... I bought a new old box (athlon 650 mhz) and installed a debian base system yesterday (didn't finish the install). I have it going through a KVM along with my windows box. A few minutes ago, I booted into KNOPPIX to see if I had the ethernet card working (I didn't) and I typed reboot. It did its thing, I pressed enter, and since then, if I boot that box, the |
| 02:13.12 | initech | oh yeah whatever |
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| 02:13.37 | steve_ | grepper: /etc/apache/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
| 02:13.43 | nvz | LiquiDark: there is a key detail.. the KVM |
| 02:13.50 | asg | steve_: /etc/apache2/ |
| 02:13.58 | LiquiDark | but it's not the KVM - same behavior if I plug everything in directly |
| 02:14.08 | xDCDx | hello, can anybody help me fitting a 2D gaussian function with gnuplot? So far I got this, but it doesn't converge: http://sial.org/pbot/11771 |
| 02:14.16 | nvz | LiquiDark: shitty KVMs can cause problems |
| 02:14.32 | nvz | LiquiDark: if you fuck it up with a kvm, then plug it directly in, thats not going to fix it :P |
| 02:14.44 | LiquiDark | could it fry the video card or something? |
| 02:14.49 | nvz | LiquiDark: I doubt it |
| 02:14.52 | steve_ | DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml |
| 02:14.58 | nvz | LiquiDark: can start with basics if its going to be a hard thing for you.. what version of debian do you use (cat /etc/debian_version), what environment? gnome, kde, console(bash, csh..)? what exactly does doesn't work mean? does it sit around all day, need more money? |
| 02:15.03 | steve_ | but it still goes to: |
| 02:15.03 | tbx | I am having a whole heap of trouble with this installation. No sound, no nvidia [running nvidia's installer or following the "debian way" both yield the same fail], no bittorrent... Arrgh! |
| 02:15.06 | dvs | steve_: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and look for DirectoryIndex |
| 02:15.07 | asg | steve_: add ' index.php' to the end of that line |
| 02:15.20 | steve_ | The requested URL /apache2-default/ was not found on this server. |
| 02:15.20 | asg | steve_: sorry, disregard that |
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| 02:15.32 | Golfgeo | gtg |
| 02:15.33 | dvs | asg: to the start of that line |
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| 02:16.09 | LiquiDark | nvz: well, I installed a 3.1r0a base system, but I haven't set up any of the other stuff. more alarmingly, I don't even get the bios screen when starting up. |
| 02:16.38 | tbx | running the nvidia installer or trying to compile module for same, I get as a first error among several, "/bin/sh: /usr/src/linux-2.6.11/scripts/gcc-version.sh: No such file or directory"; which looks real bad to me. Anybody have any ideas? |
| 02:16.46 | nvz | LiquiDark: details, details.. you had it hooked to a KVM, and installed with D-I and no problem? |
| 02:16.55 | LiquiDark | nvz: correct |
| 02:17.01 | nvz | LiquiDark: rebooted to start your debian installation. then what? |
| 02:17.27 | steve_ | okay- put it at front of line - STILL goes to apache2-default |
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| 02:17.36 | steve_ | The requested URL /apache2-default/ was not found on this server. |
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| 02:17.42 | nvz | LiquiDark: did you make it to base-config on the first boot or it was nothing but blackness after the install? |
| 02:17.49 | steve_ | take a look: |
| 02:17.57 | LiquiDark | nvz: then I turned it off, left to go to work. came back, added another ethernet card. booted into KNOPPIX, rebooted, then nothing, not even with a KNOPPIX CD in the drive. |
| 02:17.58 | steve_ | er nevermind |
| 02:18.08 | Teufel | chealer: ah ok found it thank you |
| 02:18.14 | steve_ | i deleted my apache2-default directory |
| 02:18.23 | steve_ | maybe that is causeing some problems |
| 02:18.29 | weilawei | LiquiDark, remove the battery for cmos |
| 02:18.30 | weilawei | :) |
| 02:18.35 | sanxiyn | steve_: I don't think so. |
| 02:18.48 | LiquiDark | nvz: is base-config where you set the root password? if so, I didn't get there, but I could have - it was booting up fine to whatever the next step in the install process would be |
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| 02:19.05 | LiquiDark | weilawei: hmmm, there's an idea. now let's see if I can find the damn thing. |
| 02:19.09 | asg | steve_: just comment out the 'RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/' line from /etc/apache2/sites-available/* |
| 02:19.16 | steve_ | when i goto 192.168.0.7, the browser redirects to 192.168.0.7/apache2-default and gives me a 404 |
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| 02:19.26 | nvz | LiquiDark: so you were in the middle of booting and you shut it off to add hardware? |
| 02:19.26 | bob2 | yenta is a cool name for a driver |
| 02:19.35 | asg | bob2: junta would be better |
| 02:19.37 | sanxiyn | steve_: So, don't redirect it. |
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| 02:19.56 | nvz | LiquiDark: have you tried instead of pulling batteries out.. |
| 02:19.59 | sanxiyn | steve_: grep for apache2-default in apache conf directory and delete references. |
| 02:20.03 | LiquiDark | nvz: not in the middle of booting. it had booted to some debian install screen, and I ctrl-alt-del'd and powered off |
| 02:20.10 | asg | bob2: though yenta_socket invokes some rather disturbing visuals |
| 02:20.15 | dvs | sanxiyn: It's not in that file |
| 02:20.16 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 02:20.25 | sanxiyn | dvs: ? |
| 02:20.32 | nvz | LiquiDark: ok lets go from the time you had it working until the time you discovered it wasnt working |
| 02:20.32 | tbx | apt-[what] gives me a complete list of all installed, including versions? |
| 02:20.37 | dvs | sandman: Oh, directory. sorry |
| 02:20.43 | sanxiyn | I think it was in conf.d if you installed from source... |
| 02:20.48 | weilawei | i did the impossible.. i downgraded an entire system from unstable to testing piece by piece :) |
| 02:20.52 | asg | tbx: dpkg -l |
| 02:20.54 | bob2 | asg: hahaha |
| 02:20.58 | tbx | asg: thank you. |
| 02:21.03 | nvz | LiquiDark: first does it appear to be booting when you turn it on, or is it more showing no drive activity and possibly beeping out an SOS? |
| 02:21.12 | steve_ | YES it works! |
| 02:21.16 | weilawei | the sos would be froma fscked video card |
| 02:21.26 | LiquiDark | nvz: it shows drive activity as normal. right now I'm looking around for the CMOS battery |
| 02:21.28 | nvz | weilawei: he added hardware.. bare with me :P |
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| 02:21.30 | dvs | steve_: Changed the DirectoryIndex? |
| 02:21.37 | weilawei | (not that id know why you fscked a video card...) |
| 02:21.42 | nvz | LiquiDark: dont pull the battery out of a working system |
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| 02:21.48 | weilawei | and no i will not bare with you |
| 02:22.06 | LiquiDark | nvz: it's off, disconnected power, etc. and it's booted once (to KNOPPIX) since I added the hardware. |
| 02:22.16 | nvz | weilawei: then go away.. don't tell people to pull batteries out and fuck more shit up when the system is booting |
| 02:22.28 | mlots | How do I re-assemble a file that's been "split"? |
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| 02:22.39 | dvs | mlots: cat? |
| 02:22.53 | weilawei | nvz, i thought it was off |
| 02:23.00 | LiquiDark | it is off, now |
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| 02:23.17 | weilawei | hence pulling out the battery will reset the cmos and the bios should be back to norm |
| 02:23.18 | mlots | dvs: can I rely on the files being in order? |
| 02:23.20 | nvz | weilawei: thats not the point.. the battery trick is only a good idea if its not booting.. if its booting its only going to wipe out his configuration |
| 02:23.31 | rob_lt | Does dpkg have a "disable ipv6" or "remove ipv6" info text thingy? |
| 02:23.32 | weilawei | i thought he said he didnt even get a bios screen |
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| 02:23.33 | dvs | mlots: If you specify them in order, yes. |
| 02:23.36 | weilawei | much less booting nicely |
| 02:23.37 | tbx | running the nvidia installer or trying to compile module for same, I get as a first error among several, "/bin/sh: /usr/src/linux-2.6.11/scripts/gcc-version.sh: No such file or directory"; which looks real bad to me. Anybody have any ideas? |
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| 02:23.56 | nvz | weilawei: he doesnt see it.. but he says it exibits signs of still operating just cannot see anything |
| 02:24.10 | weilawei | so is it beeping or not? |
| 02:24.17 | liable | tbx: specify the right path. |
| 02:24.28 | LiquiDark | nvz: I'm not terribly attached to my bios config, I'd gladly reset everything there if it would start up right |
| 02:24.39 | weilawei | uh but see that might not be the problem |
| 02:24.42 | weilawei | thats what we're debatinbg |
| 02:24.43 | mlots | dvs: so "cat FILEaa FILEab>FILE"? |
| 02:24.44 | LiquiDark | weilawei: as far as I could tell, it wasn't beeping |
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| 02:24.45 | nvz | if it were beeping or not booting the first thing to check is grounds and memory, then incompatible hardware conditions |
| 02:24.49 | dvs | mlots: yeah |
| 02:24.51 | bob2 | rob_lt: why do you want to disable it? |
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| 02:24.57 | nvz | you dont do something that will make it worse before things that will make it better |
| 02:24.58 | mlots | dvs: thanks |
| 02:25.01 | LiquiDark | hang on, gotta go change the laundry |
| 02:25.02 | weilawei | is the front flashing when it starts up? |
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| 02:25.19 | weilawei | hehe.. i need to take the pans out of the freezer chest soon.. im defrosting it |
| 02:25.25 | weilawei | and i need to do laundry tonight |
| 02:25.30 | kreg | i want the website in my ~/public_html/index.html to be the main root of my web server. so i symlinked /var/www to that users public_html dir. any reason this wouldn't work? |
| 02:25.37 | LiquiDark | weilawei: the power light turns on, and the HD light goes on a few times, and the cd-rom lights up too |
| 02:25.37 | asg | !congratulate dvs |
| 02:25.38 | dpkg | Nice one dvs, you did it! |
| 02:25.44 | nvz | I need to do laundry too I remember now.. |
| 02:25.49 | nvz | damn it |
| 02:25.56 | tbx | liable: well, the problem is that slocate gcc-version.sh yields nothing.... |
| 02:26.04 | dvs | asg: Now I can sell some doll clothes |
| 02:26.07 | weilawei | LiquiDark, probably not bios then.. take out all new hardware and put it in one piece at a time for each successful boot |
| 02:26.11 | asg | hehe |
| 02:26.20 | weilawei | if one kills it all, you know where the problem may lie |
| 02:26.20 | liable | tbx: do you have a kernel source in /usr/src? |
| 02:26.23 | rob_lt | bob2, it makes web browsing very sluggish, as firefox has ipv6 built in. I know I can disable that with about:config, but that won't disable it for every user on the system. |
| 02:26.45 | weilawei | i have an nividia card in another system that conflicts with the modems and will only boot successfull about one out of every 30 tries.. |
| 02:26.45 | nse | Hello everybody, in my boot process appear a lot of msgs about hardware that were not there before, but it's too fast for me to read them. how to stop the boot process for me to read them? |
| 02:26.50 | weilawei | so i press that power switch a lot |
| 02:26.50 | nvz | LiquiDark: you start with removing all cards but the video, removing all power connectors but the boot device and mobo, and taking the ram out and pushing it back in. |
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| 02:27.08 | asg | nse: type 'dmesg |less' after booting to review them |
| 02:27.10 | nvz | probably not ram or grounds either if its booring |
| 02:27.10 | dreamweaver | Hi guys. How can I enable apt autocomplete? |
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| 02:27.29 | tbx | liable: yes, I do. |
| 02:27.33 | weilawei | nvz, why old hardware? start with new. i assume it worked wonderfully with old |
| 02:27.35 | nvz | LiquiDark: before all that, do you have an onboard video card or a ISA/PCI/AGP type? or posssible more than one? |
| 02:27.40 | weilawei | and if he didnt change anything |
| 02:27.49 | nvz | weilawei: people will bump dimms or grounds when changing hardware |
| 02:27.55 | weilawei | nvz, eh true |
| 02:27.56 | liable | tbx: is it called linux-2.6.11? |
| 02:27.58 | nvz | weilawei: usually beeps and wont boot |
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| 02:28.09 | weilawei | i have had that experience :) |
| 02:28.12 | nvz | weilawei: so its probably not the problem, but its the most likely when people open a case |
| 02:28.23 | AquaVixen | Has anyone here had any experience with BestCrypt Archive (BC Archive) program ? |
| 02:28.32 | tbx | liable: /usr/src/linux-2.6.11/ |
| 02:28.53 | tbx | liable: result of apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 02:29.01 | trc | how do you implement two or more keyboards in xorg? The lines "XkbLayout" "us,es" followed by line "XKbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle" doesn't work anymore |
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| 02:29.17 | liable | tbx: err, is it unpacked? |
| 02:29.44 | rob_lt | I've edited /etc/modutils/aliases and /etc/modules.d/alias and ran update-modules, even renamed the ipv6 module, but it is still being loaded at boot. |
| 02:29.48 | tbx | liable: ya got me on that one. wouldn't the apt-get have done that? |
| 02:29.58 | liable | tbx: no, you need to untar it. |
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| 02:30.17 | AquaVixen | Anyone ? |
| 02:30.17 | liable | tbx: is it a .tar.bz2? |
| 02:30.17 | nse | asg: I can't find them. Is there a way to pause the boot process? |
| 02:30.24 | thadk | hey, anybody know where I might get some assistance with pipes? Anyway, I have a raw email in a pipe (from a procmail rc script) and I need to filter the body down but keep everything else. Are there any GNU commands which will help? grep leaves everything but the contents I grepped for at the curb. |
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| 02:30.46 | dreamweaver | Anyone? How do I enable autocompletion for apt-get?? |
| 02:31.05 | tbx | liable: ls of ./[/usr/src/linux-2.6.11] shows contents, not any sort of archive. |
| 02:31.06 | weilawei | dreamweaver, use aptitude? synaptic? easier 99% of the time anyways |
| 02:31.17 | trc | thadk: see grepmail |
| 02:31.30 | dreamweaver | weilawei: aptitude can auto-complete packages? |
| 02:32.03 | dreamweaver | weilawei: ..nope |
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| 02:32.44 | weilawei | not a foggy notion. im actually almost done downgrading my system from unstable to testing piece by piece. hasn't died on me yet so i'm happy |
| 02:32.45 | liable | tbx: ok, can you cd /scripts directory of it, and see ggversion.sh? |
| 02:32.48 | dreamweaver | Hope you know what I'm referring to.. I wanna be able to press <tab> and for it to autocomplete the name |
| 02:33.02 | thadk | trc: thanks will give it a spin |
| 02:33.03 | liable | tbx: gccversion.sh |
| 02:33.04 | weilawei | yeah.. i don't know how to make it do that |
| 02:33.05 | tbx | liable: the only dirs are arch and include. |
| 02:33.19 | weilawei | i always know the package name and don't mind typing OR I just search in synaptic |
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| 02:34.02 | bob2 | thadk: why don't you let procmail do that? |
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| 02:34.10 | nvz | sweet, I dont have to do laundry.. found some shorts |
| 02:34.15 | weilawei | this is amusing.. I got back to gnome 2.8 while running gnome 2.10 and yet didn't once close out |
| 02:34.19 | liable | tbx: huh. can you ls /usr/src and post to #flood or paster. |
| 02:34.21 | dreamweaver | weilawei: it's an unnecessary hassle opening up synaptic when I just want a speedy autocomplete |
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| 02:34.41 | weilawei | dreamweaver, this is a desktop devel machine.. i keep it open most of the time anwyays |
| 02:34.45 | nvz | this is why my job is better than any other industrial job in the park.. I dont have to wear pants |
| 02:34.45 | weilawei | brb smoke and fire test |
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| 02:35.08 | tbx | liable: easier than that - the output is short: ls ./ = COPYING CREDITS Makefile arch conf.vars include |
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| 02:35.42 | asg | nse: if dmesg doesn't show them, they are post-kernel. Enable bootlogd in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 02:35.47 | tbx | liable: and thanks for helping, I appreciate it. |
| 02:35.57 | asg | nse: the log will be in /var/log afterwards. |
| 02:35.58 | thadk | bob2: maybe I'm mixed up with syntax, I don't see any way to get just the header or just the body into i.e. a env variable. so I can play with them separately |
| 02:36.07 | liable | tbx: is that the ls of /usr/src? give me the next dir up. |
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| 02:36.56 | nvz | sweating bullets in the summer is one thing, but having to wear pants and sweating your ass right off is another |
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| 02:37.16 | liable | tbx: that doesnt look like the contents of a kernel source. |
| 02:37.18 | nse | asg: There is a lot of squares with zeros inside in my dmesg output after RAMDISK: Loading 3708 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... and before done. Maybe could be this stuff. What is this, how to read those chars? |
| 02:37.25 | asg | nvz: that's why A/C was invented |
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| 02:38.00 | nvz | asg: they don't put A/C inside FedEx Trailors or in the warehouse |
| 02:38.05 | bob2 | thadk: what is your desired end result? |
| 02:38.10 | asg | !pity nvz |
| 02:38.11 | dpkg | I pity da fool nvz! |
| 02:38.18 | liable | tbx: ok, tar -zxf kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 02:38.29 | backspace_ | suExec should be enabled or disabled while installing apache, I am on the option screen and I am having a difficult time figuring out this thing. So if suExec is enabled, only users who own the script will be able to run it, if disabled then a) any user can run any script OR b) can't run any scripts? What does this option mean? |
| 02:38.32 | swatikiss | how can i see what the irq number / port an isa card is on ? |
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| 02:38.46 | Paler2489 | Åķ |
| 02:38.49 | asg | nse: that's just the ascii output of some fancy onscreen art; that isn't your problem. |
| 02:38.50 | thadk | bob2: to forward an abbreviated version of a specific type of incoming email on to my cell phone |
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| 02:40.25 | tbx | liable: -z doesn't work since it's a bz2 not gz file, so I am bunzipping and then I'll tar -xf... [howto pass a bz2 through tar?] |
| 02:40.27 | liable | tbx: gah, my bad -jxf, always confuse my tar commands :P |
| 02:40.40 | deadcat | bob2: i am back to xfree (= |
| 02:40.58 | tbx | liable: ah. thanks. yes, that. |
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| 02:41.04 | nse | asg. Ok, that isn't my problem, but a lot of those squares appear in my system oftenly, how to go roud this. (bootlogd is enabled, do I have to reboot the system to catch them?) |
| 02:41.05 | thadk | bob2: I think if I knew how to set a variable to the contents of the pipe I'd be able to figure it out |
| 02:41.12 | asg | nvz: those trailers do get hot though, I remember from working at a Toys 'R Us warehouse many moons ago. |
| 02:41.27 | cat | hey if i have a digital camara but i don't have the memory stick can i still take pictures? from the usb |
| 02:41.54 | asg | nse: can you paste a short sample of the squares in question? |
| 02:42.05 | asg | nse: or type a facimile of them? |
| 02:42.05 | nvz | asg: some of them the sun kind of shines through.. they arent like aluminum they are more like white plastic or something *shrug* its like a greenhouse |
| 02:42.22 | Teufel | When I try and start mysql, I get this error and don't know what to do: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed, error: 'Can't connect to local mysql server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) Check that mysqld is running and that the socket exists" |
| 02:42.23 | tbx | liable: okay, done with tar. same contents in dir - no change at all. |
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| 02:42.46 | nse | asg: |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/ |
| 02:42.50 | tbx | liable: oh, wait... |
| 02:42.51 | asg | nvz: yeah, we used to have to unload tons of baby formula. |
| 02:42.52 | backspace_ | anyone? |
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| 02:43.03 | nvz | asg: at least at toys r us, you arent unloading 15,000 tiny boxes of proactive or something |
| 02:43.09 | tbx | liable: there are now both kernel-source-2.6.11 and linux-2.6.11 |
| 02:43.09 | nvz | asg: damn that Jessica Simpson! |
| 02:43.10 | asg | nse: that's just the spinning '|' you see. |
| 02:43.25 | liable | tbx: show me ls of /usr/src again please. |
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| 02:43.32 | asg | nvz: we used to unload pallets of baby formula |
| 02:43.35 | nse | asg: ahhhhh. got it! |
| 02:43.36 | tbx | liable: kernel-source-2.6.11 has the goods. |
| 02:43.36 | cat | hey if i have a digital camara but i don't have the memory stick can i still take pictures? from the usb |
| 02:43.45 | liable | tbx: good :) |
| 02:43.51 | Paler2489 | good |
| 02:43.53 | asg | nvz: when you get a few broken boxes in that heat, it smells like something died |
| 02:44.07 | xsdg | cat: depends on the camera |
| 02:44.14 | ndazza | cat: you might be able to use it as a webcam, depending on brand |
| 02:44.17 | asg | cat: try it, nothing's going to break if it doesn't work. |
| 02:44.22 | tbx | liable: is it kosher to "mv -f kernel-source-2.6.11 linux-2.6.11" |
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| 02:44.33 | cat | is a Sony cybershot 1.3 MEGA PIXELS |
| 02:44.45 | nvz | asg: pallets is nothing, you do those with a forklift. or hand cart. we dont have pallets, we got trucks full of damn boxes, you are in there for like 2-3 hours unloading 4,000 packages in a truck |
| 02:44.47 | Teufel | the socket exists" |
| 02:44.50 | ndazza | cat: no idea :) |
| 02:44.51 | nse | asg: so what only one of those mean alone? |
| 02:44.52 | Teufel | When I try and start mysql, I get this error and don't know what to do: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed, error: 'Can't connect to local mysql server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) Check that mysqld is running and that the socket exists" |
| 02:45.07 | liable | tbx: if you want. Dont see why you would though. |
| 02:45.16 | asg | nse: it's a backspace non-printable character so you get the visual of a spinning '|' |
| 02:45.18 | cat | is there any program that i can test my camara or set it up as a webcam |
| 02:45.31 | asg | nse: it's non-printable but the kernel log records it |
| 02:45.49 | Paler2489 | ĪŊĪ― ĨĄĨ§ |
| 02:45.54 | asg | nvz: we never had forklifts, only pallet-jacks, though they are fun to ride. |
| 02:45.55 | Paler2489 | Ĩ§ĨĪĨĨĨĒĨĻ |
| 02:45.57 | tbx | liable: well, since stuff looking for kernel source seems to want to find it in linux-2.6.11 instead of kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 02:46.02 | nvz | asg: we are a new company FedEx SmartPost, they bought out some ParcelDirect or something.. this one I work at is the first brand new SmartPost facility. we just take in Packages and sort them onto pallets and hand them of to the USPS |
| 02:46.05 | ndazza | Teufel: how did you try to start it? |
| 02:46.07 | nse | asg: I understand it now. Thanks, I'm going to reboot the system to get the mensages. |
| 02:46.10 | deadcat | Paler2489: what the f? |
| 02:46.12 | Paler2489 | ĨĄĨĨĨĨĢĄ |
| 02:46.12 | ndazza | Teufel: and were you root? |
| 02:46.30 | Paler2489 | ĨĻĨĶĨĪĨĶĪĢĨĨ |
| 02:46.47 | deadcat | Paler2489: are you stupid? |
| 02:46.48 | liable | tbx: ok, I dont know what you need to do, so do whatever you think is best. |
| 02:46.52 | TBBle | tbx: Clever things looking for kernel source (and that should only be kernel modules) look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build which is a symlink to the directory your custom kernel was in. If you move the kernel source after you built and installed it, that symlink breaks. |
| 02:46.52 | Teufel | ndazza: yes I was root and I did a /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 02:46.54 | asg | !cn |
| 02:46.54 | dpkg | from memory, cn is China |
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| 02:47.04 | Teufel | ndazza: i've tried just mysql; start as well.. |
| 02:47.09 | AquaVixen | Has anyone here had any experience with BestCrypt Archive (BC Archive) program ? |
| 02:47.21 | asg | Paler2489: this is an English only channel. Try #debian-cn |
| 02:47.26 | nvz | deadcat: ying, ying, yang |
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| 02:47.49 | deadcat | nvz: que? |
| 02:47.52 | asg | nvz: ah |
| 02:47.54 | nvz | *shrugs* |
| 02:47.57 | ndazza | Teufel: try mysqld or mysqld_safe |
| 02:48.05 | tbx | liable: tried running the nvidia install script again, and it failed again, but at least this time differently. |
| 02:48.14 | bob2 | Paler2489: can you not? |
| 02:48.17 | asg | AquaVixen: we usually just gpg encrypt our tar.gzs |
| 02:48.27 | liable | tbx: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 02:48.32 | Paler2489 | asgĢšË―ĪÏÓĒÕZĪŽĪŋĪĪĪØĪóĪčĪŊĪĘĪĪ |
| 02:48.39 | asg | zoinks |
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| 02:48.59 | Teufel | ndazza: when I try mysqld I get another error: mysqld: can't open file 'host.myi' (errno:142) , fatal error: can't open privilege tables: file /usr/share/mysql/charstets/?.conf' |
| 02:49.01 | deadcat | Paler2489: we dont understand your encrypted messages |
| 02:49.10 | Paler2489 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 02:49.10 | Paler2489 | I am very bad in English |
| 02:49.10 | TBBle | It's a shame ops can't kick people to other channels. That'd be really useful. |
| 02:49.16 | TheAsp | hah |
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| 02:49.22 | deadcat | Paler2489: me too. |
| 02:49.41 | asg | TBBle: ops can kick people and *suggest* they go to other channels |
| 02:49.41 | deadcat | Paler2489: but ----- aint english |
| 02:49.51 | tbx | liable: tried that too, also fails, but again, differently. |
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| 02:50.19 | TBBle | Another network I'm on has actually managed to implement a kickto, through their Chanserv bot. |
| 02:50.23 | ducky | Anyone know of a howto for setting up awstats with debian sarge |
| 02:50.25 | asg | Paler2489: I'm sure your English is much better than our Chinese |
| 02:50.29 | ducky | ? |
| 02:50.36 | liable | tbx: sorry, I havent ever done it, so am probably of little use for it. |
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| 02:50.42 | deadcat | asg: hahahh |
| 02:50.53 | asg | ducky: apt-get install awstats ; read /usr/share/doc/awstats/* (for pointers) |
| 02:50.54 | ndazza | Teufel: no idea :) try googling for errno:142 or something |
| 02:51.19 | ducky | asg: I've been reading in there |
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| 02:51.39 | ducky | asg: everything is geared toward apache 1.3 |
| 02:51.50 | nse | asg: Which of the files in /var/log has the msgs i need? |
| 02:51.51 | nvz | asg: its a very small facility. its the cheapest of FedEx services, the FedEx snail-mail if you will from what I understand. its an attempt to fully corner the market it seems. If I can handle working through the quirks of a brand new location and a brand new business.. I might have a whole new career option here. got all kinds of big wigs from the various FedEx branches around the nation here, everyone is looking at us to see what FedEx SmartPo |
| 02:51.56 | Teufel | ndazza: have tried, why I came here... thanks anyway though |
| 02:52.37 | asg | ducky: it's a perl cgi, it doesn't matter |
| 02:52.51 | jazzanova | how can i install windows into a partition of now linux computer ? |
| 02:53.09 | asg | nse: /var/log/dmesg has the kernel boot messages |
| 02:53.21 | nse | asg: Thanks. |
| 02:53.52 | deadcat | jazzanova: #windows |
| 02:54.06 | jazzanova | no, it has to do with grub |
| 02:54.07 | mtnman | jazzanova: i haven't installed a dual-boot system in a while, but windoze used to insist on being on the first partition of the primary master drive. |
| 02:54.09 | jazzanova | grub is linux |
| 02:54.10 | asg | nvz: that sounds about right. From what I've heard, contracts between big carriers are shopped around. |
| 02:54.17 | TheAsp | grub is grub |
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| 02:54.29 | jazzanova | mtnman: i have done this with lilo |
| 02:54.30 | asg | grubs stay crunchy in milk |
| 02:54.30 | deadcat | ubuntu: wrong channel |
| 02:54.50 | jazzanova | long time ago, had to rewrite adresses in bios |
| 02:54.58 | liable | jazzanova: you will have to re-install grub into the mbr after installing windows. |
| 02:55.00 | amphi | jazzanova: see the 'map' command in the grub info pages |
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| 02:56.45 | cheal | deadcat: if only it was always that effective :) |
| 02:56.53 | kalepos | mehh.. anyone here installed stepmania successfully on debian? i know debian doesn't package it |
| 02:57.02 | cheal | deadcat: it looks like ubuntu users receive a /msg when they enter |
| 02:57.16 | cheal | I meant people nicknamed "ubuntu" |
| 02:57.19 | tbx | could someone please help me? nvidia-one-liner keeps failing. we thought it was due to missing kernel source, which wasn't helping, but now that it's in place, it still fails. |
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| 02:57.36 | cheal | tbx: you don't need source, you need kernel headers |
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| 02:57.44 | cheal | tbx: which m-a prepare should provide |
| 02:57.44 | nvz | kalepos: so, not only are you taking a poll in #debian but about a non-debian package? |
| 02:57.55 | jazzanova | another question: is there a standard way to see in the shell how much battery is left, using apm ? |
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| 02:58.33 | deadcat | jazzanova: apt-cache search apm |
| 02:59.06 | tbx | cheal: well, *something* ain't right. and oh, why does cp -rf ask for confirmation, ignoring the -f? |
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| 02:59.21 | mtnman | jazzanova: apm (no args) |
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| 02:59.57 | jazzanova | ah :) wow :) |
| 03:00.00 | jazzanova | great ! |
| 03:00.17 | nvz | I got probably 10mb of global notices from lilo by now this year |
| 03:00.21 | cheal | tbx: but *what*'s not right? |
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| 03:00.38 | cheal | nvz: that's because you didn't pay your contribution ;) |
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| 03:01.03 | tbx | cheal: that's what I was hoping to find out here, bro. |
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| 03:01.16 | ubuntu | well, I entered the channel without receiving an offtopic alert |
| 03:01.27 | nvz | cheal: heh, I am broke. any means of paying the few pennies I could find on the ground would be nothing after the processing fee |
| 03:01.39 | deadcat | ubuntu: wrong channel |
| 03:01.49 | nvz | cheal: I can send computer parts, thats about it.. and they probably arent even going to be good ones |
| 03:02.03 | jazzanova | after i install windows, i will have trouble installing grub back into mbr because this laptop has no floppy disk or cdrom. |
| 03:02.13 | jazzanova | i have done a pxe install |
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| 03:02.39 | ubuntu | deadcat, it's because I installed ubuntu to get X.org and KDE 3.4, but now what do I apt-get to get debian's stability? |
| 03:02.48 | asg | jazzanova: that will be difficult; you'll have to pxeboot a rescue image and re-install grub |
| 03:03.02 | deadcat | ubuntu: you isntall debian. ubuntu has nothing to do with debian. |
| 03:03.05 | jazzanova | i see. |
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| 03:03.14 | deadcat | ubuntu: try #ubuntu for help. |
| 03:03.14 | jordo23 | Does anyone here know where I can buy a fan for my ASUS Motherboard's NVIDIA NFoRce4 chip on the board? |
| 03:03.23 | asg | jazzanova: when Windows is concerned, it's better to install it first. |
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| 03:03.38 | tbx | jordo23: newegg.com? zipzoomfly.com? |
| 03:03.47 | jazzanova | i see |
| 03:03.56 | cheal | deadcat: muahaha, you do realize ubuntu is a test user on my machine, right? ;) |
| 03:03.59 | jordo23 | tbx: is there a specific manufacturer that makes a good one? |
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| 03:04.12 | deadcat | cheal: i dont know. (= |
| 03:04.33 | ubuntu | deadcat, but ubuntu is based on debian |
| 03:04.46 | deadcat | cheal: do you also have knoppix, whoppix27 user as well? |
| 03:04.51 | deadcat | !base on debian |
| 03:04.57 | nvz | ubuntu: you have no idea how many times we hear that, and still dont care |
| 03:04.57 | madmavric | what apt source do i need to install ati graphics drivers? |
| 03:05.06 | asg | ubuntu: it is but we cannot guarantee its stability. |
| 03:05.19 | madmavric | just graduated from ubuntu |
| 03:05.23 | madmavric | to debian |
| 03:05.57 | deadcat | ubuntu: as you said BASED on debian. NOT debian so go #ubuntu and ask them about debian shits |
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| 03:06.09 | tbx | jordo23: dunno specifics, but I am a /fan/ of Zalman... [nyuk nyuk nyuk....] |
| 03:06.25 | ubuntu | OK, I wouldn't want to overuse dpkg |
| 03:06.38 | asg | !be ed |
| 03:06.38 | dpkg | ? |
| 03:06.42 | nvz | most houses are based on a cement foundation, but that doesnt mean if you build the house with 8 penny nails instead of 16s its going to be as stable |
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| 03:06.59 | deadcat | nvz: (= |
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| 03:07.25 | cheal | nvz: what means processing fee? |
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| 03:07.42 | asg | cheal: that's how the middlemen make their money |
| 03:07.44 | nvz | cheal: like paypal..etc charge to use their service to send money |
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| 03:08.36 | nvz | if I mailed 32cents freenode would get an empty envelope with an IOU |
| 03:09.11 | madmavric | whats the command for using alien to convert a rpm? |
| 03:09.22 | asg | madmavric: man alien |
| 03:09.26 | nvz | I had often wondered if I did have money, how much of a donation is worth taking the time to send though |
| 03:09.43 | TheAsp | whats the command for generating winning lottery tickets? |
| 03:09.46 | asg | madmavric: the real question is why are you using alient to convert an rpm? |
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| 03:09.54 | asg | TheAsp: md5sum |
| 03:09.55 | tbx | so, the position on ubuntu - is that the same position on knoppix? |
| 03:10.00 | nvz | I mean salvation army and people like that take pennies.. but never donated to anyone else that I know of |
| 03:10.04 | TheAsp | asg: heh :) |
| 03:10.22 | nvz | but they eliminate the middle man. |
| 03:10.28 | nvz | they will come and get your pennies |
| 03:10.34 | fhffhqvb | in soviet russia, middleman eliminates you |
| 03:10.39 | asg | tbx: the position is that if you are using a debian derivative and ask a reasonable question, you'll get a debian answer. If it doesn't work, there is nothing we can do. |
| 03:10.42 | nvz | heh |
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| 03:10.57 | tbx | asg: just curious. thanks. |
| 03:11.03 | tbx | ... is new here. |
| 03:11.06 | nvz | its scary how sussudio lurks around waiting for SR jokes |
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| 03:11.18 | asg | TheAsp: I'm still waiting for the fortune cookie numbers that yield the secret triad datacenter |
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| 03:12.10 | TheAsp | I want apt-get moo to audibly moo using only ^G's |
| 03:12.18 | nvz | says less than anyone in here.. and pops up at the stranges times, saying the oddest of things |
| 03:12.20 | madmavric | still no idea how to use alien, is there a how to out there somewhere? |
| 03:12.40 | zeeble | man alien is pretty spiffy. |
| 03:13.00 | nvz | zeeble: whats so 'spiffy' about the alien manpage? heh |
| 03:13.03 | nvz | ;) |
| 03:13.10 | ajjl | Hello, how do I go about installing PHP for apache2 with apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 03:13.18 | ajjl | PHP4 or PHP5 is OK with me. |
| 03:13.25 | zeeble | you dont need a "howto" to convert a rpm to a deb with alien :) the manpage is good enough |
| 03:13.43 | zeeble | madmavric: just do alien packagename.rpm |
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| 03:13.51 | madmavric | o k thanks |
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| 03:14.30 | nvz | asg: alien crap.rpm -> shitty.deb |
| 03:14.36 | zeeble | heh |
| 03:14.41 | rob_lt | alien turd.rpm -> polished_turd.deb |
| 03:14.42 | nvz | asg: thats Mandriva |
| 03:14.56 | asg | nvz: damn polymorphic viruses |
| 03:15.01 | nvz | asg: the french gay porn star that just got out of prison |
| 03:15.13 | asg | nvz: oh, nice. |
| 03:15.17 | mosty | i'm trying out the new xserver in sid on my laptop, it seems to behave the same apart from not allowing me to switch back to the console- all i get is a blank screen. is this a setting or a bug? |
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| 03:15.26 | asg | nvz: probably not available on Netflix though |
| 03:15.43 | concept10 | I have a motherboard that has both IDE interfaces blown. Is it possible to install Debian with a IDE PCI card only? |
| 03:15.44 | nvz | asg: probably mandriva.org *shrug* |
| 03:15.53 | asg | mosty: check the debian-user list archives; discussions about this very matter have occured. |
| 03:16.01 | nvz | asg: personally I am not curious about anything called "Mandriva" |
| 03:16.19 | asg | nvz: you and me both |
| 03:16.23 | SDFH_Linux | still no fix for gaim in unstable? |
| 03:16.28 | TheAsp | fix? |
| 03:16.33 | TheAsp | it works, doesnt it? |
| 03:16.36 | nvz | asg: if a nutdriver screws nuts, and a screwdriver screws screws, what does a mandriva screw? |
| 03:16.38 | asg | SDFH_Linux: the fix is to wait until it is fixed. |
| 03:16.40 | mosty | asg, thanks for the pointer |
| 03:16.48 | asg | nvz: kawfee? |
| 03:16.52 | asg | mosty: you're welcome |
| 03:16.52 | nvz | heh |
| 03:16.58 | SDFH_Linux | i need my fix of the fix :P |
| 03:17.58 | asg | SDFH_Linux: get the previous version from (/msg dpkg sdn), put it on hold, troll the bts until it is fixed. |
| 03:17.59 | nvz | pfft gaim isn't any better than irssi |
| 03:18.10 | asg | isn't even close |
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| 03:18.27 | nvz | add bitlbee if you need to, and script assist to aid in adding on to irssi |
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| 03:18.49 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 03:18.54 | fuag | can anyone recommend a good window manager, I've tried kde, gnome, enlightenment and fvwm so far gnome came the closest to waht i'd like |
| 03:19.09 | asg | nvz: the O'Reilly book (IRC Hacks) has a screenshot with caphuso on irc. |
| 03:19.23 | nvz | fuag: well neither gnome or kde is a window manager for one thing |
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| 03:19.25 | tbx | grrrr.....! still getting errors, and I am thinking that I making things worse... trying to run nvidia-one-liner, and now it exits with "Package kernel-headers-2.6.11 is not available, but is referred to by another package.", and "This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, ori s only available from another source", and so on. Death! |
| 03:19.27 | mosty | fuag, what does gnome lack that you're looking for? |
| 03:19.32 | asg | fuag: try fluxbox or openbox |
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| 03:19.41 | KerPlunk | I use fluxbox it's awesome. |
| 03:19.45 | KerPlunk | very lightweight and fast |
| 03:19.59 | tbx | fuag: chiming in with a plug for fluxbox - VERY nice! |
| 03:20.00 | asg | fuag: if you like really minimal, look at ion |
| 03:20.02 | KerPlunk | It's got tabs...like firefox does.. |
| 03:20.04 | geordie | fuag: ratpoison |
| 03:20.13 | KerPlunk | So if I have 5 terminal windows open...and xchat...I can tab them all together. |
| 03:20.40 | fuag | i'm looking for shaded windows and transparency.. baisically something that looks extremely slick |
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| 03:20.54 | fuag | enlightenments menu system was too much of a pain for me though |
| 03:21.02 | fuag | and fvwm looked uglier than windows 3.1 |
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| 03:21.13 | amphi | KerPlunk: I use mrxvt on openbox here - xterms are about all I want to tab |
| 03:21.14 | cheal | tbx: what header packages do you have? |
| 03:21.14 | KerPlunk | fuag: fluxbox has composite support |
| 03:21.14 | asg | tabs are for mousers, CTRL+<arrow> with multiple workspaces is just dandy |
| 03:21.34 | nvz | asg: bah, he's not too cool for me.. I've from 13375dale mofukka :P |
| 03:21.40 | mosty | asg, are you sure it was debian-user ? |
| 03:21.44 | tbx | cheal: kernel-headers-2.6.11-9 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-11 |
| 03:22.00 | tbx | cheal: ... and kernel-source-2.6.11, fwiw. |
| 03:22.13 | asg | mosty: pretty sure, let me check |
| 03:22.37 | fuag | do you have to use && or can u list a bunch of programs such as |
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| 03:22.44 | fuag | apt-get install fluxbox fluxconf fbpager fbdesk |
| 03:22.44 | Wyzard | Somewhere, at some point, I heard of a little GTK program that allows a script to pop up a simple notification dialog... anyone know offhand what that's called? |
| 03:22.53 | nvz | fuag: yes you can |
| 03:23.08 | tbx | cheal: which match uname -r = 2.6.11 |
| 03:23.15 | nvz | Wyzard: zenity |
| 03:23.19 | fuag | sweet |
| 03:23.20 | KerPlunk | fuag: You can just list them like that. |
| 03:23.23 | KerPlunk | That's how I do it. |
| 03:23.37 | mosty | asg, i think i found the thread, i was reading from the wrong end of the date index |
| 03:23.45 | cheal | tbx: what kernel (package) are you running? |
| 03:23.45 | Wyzard | nvz: thanks |
| 03:23.47 | agrathwohl | Hi guys |
| 03:24.03 | fuag | brb |
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| 03:24.07 | nvz | Wyzard: I thought it was cool as hell, but never used it for any of my scripts |
| 03:24.08 | asg | mosty: ah, okay |
| 03:24.09 | tbx | cheal: erm.... not sure what you mean, but let me try. |
| 03:24.10 | agrathwohl | If I have kernel-2.6.11, and I want to apt-get the kernel-sources for that kernel, what do I do? |
| 03:24.20 | agrathwohl | I did an apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11 but it said there was no such package |
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| 03:24.41 | agrathwohl | Anyone? |
| 03:24.43 | Wyzard | nvz: I'm not actually using it in a script, just on a command line... I want to know when a CD finishes ripping (in a terminal on another virtual desktop) without having to constantly check on it :-) |
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| 03:25.11 | nvz | Wyzard: something like 'rip | zenity --progress' IIRC |
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| 03:25.45 | agrathwohl | Does anybody know how to get the kernel-source-2.6.11 package? |
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| 03:25.49 | nvz | Wyzard: it has everything input, output, progress, listbox, textbox.. you name it.. its pretty slick |
| 03:25.53 | agrathwohl | I'd rather apt-get the package, and not install it manually. |
| 03:25.55 | tbx | cheal: dpkg says kernel-source- 2.6.11-7 kernel-package 9.001 kernel-kbuild- 2.6.8-2 "kernel-image-2 10.00.Custom Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.11" and kernel-headers 2.6.11-4 |
| 03:25.58 | agrathwohl | Or will any 2.6.x kernel source work? |
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| 03:26.06 | fuag | wow, um anyone have some suggestions for makinf fluxbox look sweet, i know ive seen godlike pictures of it |
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| 03:26.33 | tbx | agrathwohl: do an apt-cache search for kernel-sources-2.6 |
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| 03:26.50 | agrathwohl | tbx: I did, and it came up with only 2.6.8 and a patched version |
| 03:26.57 | agrathwohl | No 2.6.11 |
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| 03:27.12 | agrathwohl | Will a 2.6.8 source do, tbx? |
| 03:27.29 | tbx | agrathwohl: and just like that I am out of my league! sorry! |
| 03:27.30 | Wyzard | nvz: Well, the ripper doesn't produce usable progress information... it'll be more like "rip; zenity --info --text=Done" |
| 03:27.35 | useruser | kernel-source-2.6.11: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.6.11-7 Version table: 2.6.11-7 0 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main Packages |
| 03:27.41 | agrathwohl | tbx: It's okay - thank you for your help! |
| 03:27.52 | cheal | agrathwohl: 2.6.8 won't provide 2.6.11 sources |
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| 03:27.59 | useruser | agrathwohl: it's there in sid |
| 03:28.09 | agrathwohl | useruser: Thank you - I will add that to my sources.list |
| 03:28.12 | cheal | agrathwohl: how did you get your 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 03:28.16 | agrathwohl | useruser: I am using the testing version of amd64 |
| 03:28.19 | nvz | Wyzard: I think the progress meter just goes back and forth if there isnt a way to tell |
| 03:28.21 | agrathwohl | cheal: I got it from my install CD |
| 03:28.30 | agrathwohl | useruser: is that sid? |
| 03:28.35 | useruser | agrathwohl: no, testing isn't sid |
| 03:28.41 | agrathwohl | useruser: Sorry, I am new to the Debian way of things - I am a gentoo user =D |
| 03:28.49 | useruser | agrathwohl: i forgive you, my child |
| 03:28.52 | Wyzard | nvz: I typed random input at it and it didn't seem to do anything... no big deal though |
| 03:28.55 | cheal | agrathwohl: your testing CD is an amd64 testing one? |
| 03:28.57 | agrathwohl | useruser: What do you mean? =P |
| 03:29.02 | agrathwohl | cheal : Yes :) |
| 03:29.10 | cheal | well, testing was extra |
| 03:29.16 | agrathwohl | Oh wait |
| 03:29.17 | useruser | agrathwohl: imagine a dog collar and you in the confessional |
| 03:29.20 | agrathwohl | No, it was not a testing image |
| 03:29.25 | cheal | agrathwohl: so, get etch's 2.6.11 kernel source |
| 03:29.29 | agrathwohl | useruser: I feel Gentoo is fantastic :) |
| 03:29.38 | useruser | agrathwohl: 50 Hail Marys |
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| 03:29.51 | agrathwohl | cheal: 'twas the latest build of the amd64 installer cd - so it most likely was not testing, my bad. |
| 03:30.11 | useruser | agrathwohl: you could just grab the sources from kernel.org, of course |
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| 03:31.00 | cheal | tbx: I just wanted to know what provided you your kernel. so, you built a custom 2.6.11 using kernel-package? |
| 03:31.10 | agrathwohl | useruser: I'd rather not - too spoiled by emerge and apt-get :-p |
| 03:31.33 | agrathwohl | Does anybody here know of a source for testing amd64 that holds the 2.6.11 sources? |
| 03:32.00 | nvz | 'twas the night before the latest build of the amd64 installer cd, and all through the house, not a single part of my computer was working not even the mouse. |
| 03:32.08 | pablum | !gentoosmite agrathwohl |
| 03:32.09 | cheal | agrathwohl: testing has them |
| 03:32.39 | cheal | !greenhouse |
| 03:32.39 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 03:32.44 | pablum | agrathwohl, did you try amd64.debian.net? |
| 03:32.45 | nvz | I feel motivated to rewite the night before christmas as a AMD64 kernel song |
| 03:32.48 | cheal | ^^favorite factoid |
| 03:32.52 | useruser | nvz: well if you insist on scattering your computer around the house, it generally won't work so well |
| 03:32.59 | agrathwohl | cheal: How do I get them? :) |
| 03:33.01 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: kernel-source-2.6.11 doesn't seem to be in testing on any arch, according to packages.debian.org |
| 03:33.15 | cheal | oh, right |
| 03:33.21 | cheal | so you need sid sources |
| 03:33.21 | agrathwohl | Wyzard: Ouch. What do I do? =/ |
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| 03:33.30 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: Get it from unstable |
| 03:33.40 | agrathwohl | Wyzard: What would I put in sources.list for that? |
| 03:33.45 | nvz | useruser: ok, you can be the editor, but you arent getting paid ;) |
| 03:33.46 | pablum | Wyzard, use amd64 as your source... |
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| 03:34.00 | agrathwohl | Sheesh - the gentoo IRC boards don't have this much debian bashing as this has gentoo bashing :-D |
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| 03:34.05 | pablum | deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 03:34.14 | dylan_ | anybody know where i can find a good Mac channel? |
| 03:34.16 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: Just go to http://packages.debian.org/ and do a search for it |
| 03:34.26 | dylan_ | nm |
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| 03:34.33 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: I think AMD64 packages are on there now... |
| 03:34.34 | cheal | agrathwohl: I couldn't resist...it's the first time I invoke that factoid |
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| 03:34.50 | tbx | cheal: no, I am using the stock kernel. this is a fresh install. |
| 03:34.57 | nvz | !yinzersmite cheal |
| 03:35.00 | tbx | cheal: ... as of this mornint. |
| 03:35.08 | tbx | ... ing |
| 03:35.41 | pablum | nvz, is that a penn state thing? |
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| 03:35.51 | cheal | nvz: sorry, my brain can't parse that yet |
| 03:35.51 | nvz | pablum: Picksburgh, yessum |
| 03:36.02 | agrathwohl | pablum: Thank you for that address! :) |
| 03:36.09 | agrathwohl | Updating now. |
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| 03:36.32 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: Don't do that... you'll end up upgrading your entire system to unstable, which is probably not what you want |
| 03:36.36 | agrathwohl | Yes! pablum, you rule! |
| 03:36.44 | nvz | pablum: its Picksburghese |
| 03:36.45 | agrathwohl | Wyzard: It's only downloading one package |
| 03:36.50 | pablum | agrathwohl, don't switch to it... it's unstable.. |
| 03:36.51 | cheal | tbx: I don't see any package among those you pasted above that would provide a stock kernel. can you tell which package provides your kernel? |
| 03:36.57 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: That's because you only told it to install one package |
| 03:37.03 | agrathwohl | I'll comment it out after this is done |
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| 03:37.09 | agrathwohl | I can do that, right? =P |
| 03:37.14 | tbx | cheal: sorry to be such a noob, but could you tell me how to tell you? |
| 03:37.22 | nvz | pablum: hows dey taulk dahn tahn |
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| 03:37.38 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: better to put 'Apt::Default-Release "testing";' in your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 03:37.58 | agrathwohl | Wyzard: I'll see what happens, and if worst comes to worse, I'll come to terms and do that =P |
| 03:38.04 | agrathwohl | By the way, thank you for everybody's advice and help. |
| 03:38.06 | cheal | tbx: paste the output of $ ls /boot/initrd.img-2.6.11* first |
| 03:38.11 | agrathwohl | Nice to know more than one distro in this world :) |
| 03:38.31 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: That way you can safely have a "live" unstable source, and apt will still install packages from testing... unless the package exists in unstable but not in testing, in which case it'll get it from unstable |
| 03:38.40 | linda | olá!!!!!!!tem brasileiro aqui? |
| 03:38.43 | tbx | cheal: just that - "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.11" |
| 03:38.45 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: It's a good idea to do anyway |
| 03:38.47 | cheal | !br |
| 03:38.47 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:38.48 | nvz | agrathwohl: just think, in this world of computers there are no fences or walls... |
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| 03:38.49 | agrathwohl | Wyzard: Is there that big of a difference anyway? |
| 03:38.55 | nvz | agrathwohl: ... so who needs gates and windows? |
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| 03:39.01 | Wyzard | agrathwohl: Between testing and unstable, yes |
| 03:39.07 | agrathwohl | nvz: Indeed - but I was referring to gentoo, not windows :-D |
| 03:39.26 | linda | not diferente |
| 03:39.27 | cheal | tbx: hum, it doesn't look like you're running a stock kernel |
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| 03:40.15 | kalepos | oh gentoo |
| 03:40.18 | kalepos | i would use thee again |
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| 03:40.23 | nvz | agrathwohl: I only have thought of so much material so far.. 3 yinzersmites, and a few windows jokes.. I pull em out when I can |
| 03:40.27 | kalepos | if only i were not restricted to the great wonder of a shitty celeron |
| 03:40.31 | agrathwohl | Okay guys, how about this question: If I just downloaded the nvidia-kernel package, and just untarred it, where does it go? |
| 03:40.52 | useruser | nvz: ( apt-cache show fence; which wall ) |
| 03:40.52 | nvz | dpkg, gates =~ s/IT/Computers/ |
| 03:40.52 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 03:41.46 | tbx | !nvidia-one-liner |
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| 03:42.03 | tbx | okay, I really am a supernoob. |
| 03:42.04 | cheal | agrathwohl: you untarred a .deb? |
| 03:42.14 | cheal | !nvidia-howto |
| 03:42.14 | dpkg | well, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
| 03:42.50 | agrathwohl | cheal: No, I apt-get install the nvidia-kernel-source package and it ended up placing an 'nvidia-kernel.tar.gz' file in /usr/src |
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| 03:42.58 | catalyst | New xorg upgrade packages still not complete on sid right? |
| 03:43.32 | cheal | !tell catalyst about iyhtays |
| 03:43.38 | nvz | that all depends on what you mean by new or complete |
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| 03:44.27 | cheal | agrathwohl: don't bother with it. module-assistant is there for your convenience |
| 03:44.30 | Pr0ph3t | hi all! Someone have installed amd64 port version ??? |
| 03:44.37 | cheal | !amd64 |
| 03:44.38 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 03:44.41 | tbx | cheal: then, is this what I am looking to do? "apt get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686"? |
| 03:44.42 | liable | tbx: install sarge, come back. :P |
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| 03:45.01 | cheal | tbx: depending on your CPU, if you want 2.6.8, yes |
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| 03:45.27 | tbx | cheal: amd athlon 2200xp, and that's the "latest" kernel, yes? |
| 03:46.33 | agrathwohl | after I untar the kernel sources, should I have to restart or anything? |
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| 03:48.43 | liable | agrathwohl: no. |
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| 03:49.26 | cheal | tbx: it's the latest kernel in sarge. Athlon XP can use -k7 kernels |
| 03:50.24 | ke6isf | How does one find out what processor a computer is running? |
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| 03:50.36 | kalepos | check in /proc |
| 03:50.38 | tbx | cheal: thank you. |
| 03:50.41 | kalepos | there will be a cpuinfo thing |
| 03:50.43 | amphi | ke6isf: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:50.44 | cheal | ke6isf: try cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 03:52.25 | new2gentoo_ | could someone tell me the location of a document that covers the specifics of Debian Sarge Apache Virtual Hosting? |
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| 03:53.40 | mosty | new2gentoo, it's the same as with every other apache platform... nothing debian-specific to worry about |
| 03:54.39 | new2gentoo_ | thanks mosty - having some wierd problem - probably my own mistake - back to review my work |
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| 03:57.22 | ke6isf | Thanks amphi, cheal |
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| 03:59.34 | cplx | How do I remove a pop-lock for an account? |
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| 04:00.15 | mosty | what's a pop-lock? |
| 04:00.39 | cplx | wheere I can recieve mail.. but can't send.. |
| 04:00.42 | cplx | through my mail server |
| 04:01.17 | mosty | what error message are you getting? |
| 04:01.44 | cplx | Im not.. it just times out on sending the message |
| 04:01.48 | cplx | I can recieve fine tho |
| 04:01.57 | mosty | what do the logs file say? |
| 04:02.02 | cplx | where? |
| 04:02.04 | mosty | log files, even |
| 04:02.18 | cplx | for what? |
| 04:02.18 | mosty | in /var/log/ somewhere (depending on the smtp server you use) |
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| 04:02.26 | cplx | exim |
| 04:03.08 | mosty | do you see the connections for the attempted mail? |
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| 04:03.41 | cplx | not for mine |
| 04:03.44 | cplx | but for others. |
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| 04:04.48 | mosty | is it firewalled? |
| 04:05.13 | cplx | nothing has changed at all.. that's why im puzzled |
| 04:05.37 | cplx | its not even picking it up in the log |
| 04:05.44 | mosty | see if you can connect to exim with telnet |
| 04:05.57 | mosty | (from the machine you're trying to send mail from) |
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| 04:06.32 | cplx | nop |
| 04:06.37 | cplx | cant open mailserver 25 |
| 04:07.48 | cplx | My other clients can send.. just not me |
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| 04:08.14 | mosty | what sort of network is in between these machines? |
| 04:08.25 | daft | I updated xorg on my pc [SID] and now i cant ctrl alt F1 and stuff |
| 04:08.31 | cplx | it has been working before.. don't see why it would stop now.. |
| 04:08.33 | cplx | I can recieve mail |
| 04:08.38 | cplx | from my account just not send with the account |
| 04:08.47 | mosty | daft: it appears to be a bug, without a known fix |
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| 04:10.26 | daft | mosty even set DontVSSwitch false did not work |
| 04:11.11 | mosty | daft: false is default anyway |
| 04:11.12 | daft | lets set it true :p |
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| 04:11.43 | Treatz | I need someone willing to share there server w/ me. |
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| 04:11.47 | hanse | ?? es |
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| 04:11.57 | liable | !es |
| 04:11.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:12.11 | hanse | grax |
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| 04:12.58 | mombof | Treatz, what fer' |
| 04:13.07 | Treatz | Lotus Notes |
| 04:13.26 | hanse | ? venuezuela |
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| 04:13.32 | hanse | ! chile |
| 04:13.37 | hanse | ! venezuela |
| 04:13.46 | liable | !cl |
| 04:13.46 | dpkg | i heard cl is common lisp |
| 04:14.02 | kyu | Anyone used gcc-4.0 to do anything important yet? (Such as a kernel) |
| 04:14.04 | liable | hanse: what language? |
| 04:14.24 | deadcat | kyu: not yet. but soon |
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| 04:14.27 | liable | kyu: got one compiled ok. |
| 04:14.37 | fuag | any 3rd party debian mirrors out there with limewire on them? |
| 04:14.40 | kyu | Yeah? I was considering compiling just now with 4.0 |
| 04:14.51 | kyu | Not sure though, not used it for anything yet |
| 04:14.55 | deadcat | kyu: let us know |
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| 04:15.02 | kyu | Will do :) |
| 04:15.29 | kyu | meek, menuconfig gave me alot of warnings hehe |
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| 04:15.54 | fuag | ? |
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| 04:16.12 | fuag | any 3rd party mirros where i can apt-get instal limewire from? |
| 04:16.33 | fuag | u know.. i didnt think to check thier site |
| 04:16.35 | kyu | What's wrong with the debian mirror? |
| 04:16.43 | fuag | it doesnt have limewire in it |
| 04:16.46 | kyu | BEsides, gtk-gnutella is better |
| 04:16.51 | kyu | limewire is java no? |
| 04:16.53 | fuag | apt-cache search limewire |
| 04:16.54 | fuag | yeah |
| 04:17.10 | fuag | do you have to pay for gnutella |
| 04:17.18 | kyu | ... |
| 04:17.20 | fuag | limewire is no adds and gets me extremely fast downloads all the time |
| 04:17.25 | cheal | xconfig gives me over 10 warnings on a vanilla 2.6.12 |
| 04:17.26 | fuag | and its frie |
| 04:17.30 | fuag | and multiplatform |
| 04:17.36 | cheal | wow, no adds |
| 04:17.39 | kyu | Wait, you're using linux, and you don't know about free software? |
| 04:17.50 | kyu | And ads? on linux? What do you use opera or something? ;) |
| 04:18.00 | Wyzard | fuag: LimeWire *is* a Gnutella client |
| 04:18.01 | fuag | not as far as music downloading software |
| 04:18.06 | fuag | lmao |
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| 04:18.11 | fuag | alreight |
| 04:18.14 | SDFH_Linux | is 2.6.12 in unstable yet? |
| 04:18.26 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Not yet... I've been checking incoming every day :-) |
| 04:18.28 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: apt-cache search |
| 04:18.31 | liable | SDFH_Linux: why dont you look.. |
| 04:18.32 | kyu | Oh course it's free software |
| 04:18.35 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: stop being lazy. check p.d.o |
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| 04:18.52 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: The maintainer mentioned in a post on d-d that it's one of his tasks to get done at Debconf, so hopefully it'll be here by Sunday... |
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| 04:19.10 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:19.12 | SDFH_Linux | thanks |
| 04:19.22 | cheal | *the* maintainer :? |
| 04:19.28 | SDFH_Linux | now if they would only hurry up and get those new packages in so gaim will work again |
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| 04:20.39 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I just haven't restarted gaim in a few days, so I'm having no problems with it |
| 04:20.54 | Wyzard | cheal: Well, whoever's responsible for uploading kernel-source packages |
| 04:21.02 | SDFH_Linux | i got broken packages |
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| 04:21.28 | SDFH_Linux | holycow! |
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| 04:21.56 | cheal | SDFH_Linux: what's the bug? |
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| 04:23.22 | SDFH_Linux | broken packages because of the BTi thing |
| 04:23.43 | holycow | mais oui! |
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| 04:24.31 | cheal | what's the BTi thing? |
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| 04:25.19 | daedalus_ | !beer dpkg |
| 04:25.34 | ysothoth | la maudite :) good choice. |
| 04:25.38 | ke6isf | ...and provides beer, too. =^_^= |
| 04:25.42 | cheal | dpkg is missing on hyperion freenode |
| 04:27.02 | cheal | dpkg is the next best bot after asuffield |
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| 04:31.29 | mombof | !menu dpkg |
| 04:31.34 | mombof | as |
| 04:31.35 | mombof | aw |
| 04:31.43 | chant | hm... the xspecs package dropped HTML versions of documents, but no notice in the changelog. |
| 04:31.44 | chant | not cool :-/ |
| 04:31.58 | mombof | !nuts dpkg |
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| 04:34.17 | cheal | hey _rene_. I voted for you ;) |
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| 04:35.12 | TheQ | how do i install a .deb |
| 04:35.23 | hiway | dpkg -i [filename] |
| 04:35.29 | hiway | hehe |
| 04:35.52 | d03boy | How can I know what device name my touchpad goes by and what name my mouse goes by? |
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| 04:36.09 | mombof | i think that would require some sort of -f (force) argument |
| 04:36.15 | TheQ | aether:~# dpkg -i tar* |
| 04:36.15 | TheQ | Killed |
| 04:36.38 | hiway | erm, so anyway. has anyone else running testing been having troubles launching gnome apps? |
| 04:36.50 | behrouz | how can u find out the login for a root file system |
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| 04:37.01 | hiway | right now I can only run gnome stuff as root, and even as root gnome-panel locks up when I try to logout. |
| 04:37.07 | SDFH_Linux | is xpde gui available for debian somewhere? |
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| 04:37.17 | hanse | tmraw |
| 04:37.19 | TheQ | aether:~# dpkg -i tar* |
| 04:37.20 | TheQ | Killed |
| 04:37.25 | hiway | it's been going on since this afternoon and it's driving me nuts. |
| 04:37.30 | TheQ | thats not good is it |
| 04:37.32 | Frozen-Solid | i'm trying to apt-get gcc and it's yelling at me :( Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/libgcc1_4.0.0-12_powerpc.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.80.133 80] |
| 04:37.39 | hanse | tomoraw |
| 04:37.41 | hanse | fire |
| 04:37.41 | hanse | in usa |
| 04:38.09 | TBBle | Frozen-Solid: The package you're trying to fetch is not found at that URL. |
| 04:38.17 | d03boy | Frozen-Solid, try a different source? |
| 04:38.27 | ysothoth | Frozen-Solid: try apt-get update first. |
| 04:38.41 | behrouz | help, how can i find out the login for a root file system |
| 04:38.42 | TheQ | whats wrong! |
| 04:38.45 | TheQ | aether:~# dpkg -i tar* |
| 04:38.45 | TheQ | Killed |
| 04:39.01 | ysothoth | TheQ: read the topic, do not paste in #debian. |
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| 04:39.17 | chant | that's a one liner, who cares, ysothoth |
| 04:39.18 | zoOMAas | how would I find the block device for my cd-rom ? |
| 04:39.24 | ysothoth | he's also repeating. |
| 04:39.33 | TBBle | behrouz: I can't imagine a context in which your question makes sense. Maybe start solving your problem by describing the problem. |
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| 04:40.01 | Guerin | TheQ: why are you installing tar by hand? |
| 04:40.32 | TheQ | apt-get is being a pain in the ass, and i read a bug report that said it was a problem with tar |
| 04:40.41 | Guerin | TheQ: what release are you using? |
| 04:40.53 | TheQ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=230910 |
| 04:41.01 | TheQ | how do i find that out |
| 04:41.12 | Guerin | TheQ: why don't you KNOW? |
| 04:41.26 | ysothoth | heh |
| 04:41.30 | TheQ | aether:~# apt-get -v |
| 04:41.30 | TheQ | apt 0.5.28.6 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 22 2005 07:17:03 |
| 04:41.51 | behrouz | TBBle: i'm told to boot the debian uml from a different root file system, but i dont know the login to this disk image |
| 04:41.59 | Guerin | TheQ: that bug refers to an issue in tar when BUILDING packages, not when installing them |
| 04:42.18 | Guerin | !info apt sarge |
| 04:42.19 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.28.6 (sarge), Packaged size: 1165 kB, Installed size: 3664 kB |
| 04:42.31 | Guerin | !info apt etch |
| 04:42.33 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.28.6 (etch), Packaged size: 1165 kB, Installed size: 3664 kB |
| 04:42.47 | cheal | it was a tar bug anyway, apt's version doesn't help |
| 04:42.54 | zoOMAas | I just installed Debian stable and when asked to install programs I choice manual. So far I have read up on dselect and want to install Epic. I tried booting into the the X with init 5 and was denide. Where would my XF86Config file be I searched for it and coulf not find it using locate. |
| 04:43.03 | TheQ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly |
| 04:43.04 | Guerin | TheQ: in what way is apt being a 'pain in the ass'? |
| 04:43.15 | TheQ | it does that every time i apt-get something |
| 04:43.17 | chant | apt-get install x-window-system, zoomaas |
| 04:43.26 | cheal | zoOMAas: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:43.28 | Guerin | TheQ: put the whole error message on a httpd |
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| 04:43.38 | Guerin | TheQ: that error on its own is fucking useless |
| 04:44.02 | zoOMAas | that why |
| 04:44.06 | zoOMAas | I looked there |
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| 04:44.21 | zoOMAas | I figured it would have been installed with the basic goodies |
| 04:44.22 | Guerin | zoOMAas: runlevels 2-5 are the same in debian, there's no 5=gui |
| 04:44.30 | Guerin | zoOMAas: why did you figure that? |
| 04:44.32 | oggb4mp3 | Hi, how can I determine which package contains a particular file on debian? |
| 04:44.39 | Guerin | zoOMAas: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 04:44.47 | Guerin | oggb4mp3: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:44.54 | zoOMAas | Because I did |
| 04:44.55 | oggb4mp3 | ty |
| 04:45.05 | Guerin | zoOMAas: you did what? |
| 04:45.11 | TBBle | behrouz: Ah. Mount the image somewhere, get /etc/shadow and run a cracker across it? |
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| 04:45.44 | zoOMAas | I need to find out what what block device to specify for my cd-rom |
| 04:46.00 | kyu | typically /dev/hdc no? |
| 04:46.05 | Guerin | zoOMAas: dmesg will tell you |
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| 04:46.10 | Guerin | kyu: could be |
| 04:46.13 | ke6isf | Looking for xanim-modules, but local cache can't find it. dpkg is unable to locate it despite the "non-free" repos being in the sources. Help? |
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| 04:46.19 | Guerin | kyu: but that's guessing |
| 04:46.20 | sanxiyn | !factinfo limewire |
| 04:46.20 | dpkg | limewire -- last modified at Sun Jun 12 03:47:37 2005 by Guerin!~magpie@60.197.208.2; it has been requested 3 times, last by sanxiyn, 16s ago. |
| 04:46.22 | kyu | God damn, 5:46am |
| 04:46.29 | ke6isf | oops... not dpkg, apt-cache search. |
| 04:46.39 | kyu | Insomnia is bleh. I slept for 3 blissful hours in the last two days |
| 04:46.45 | kyu | :( |
| 04:46.48 | deadcat | kyu: thats nothing. 9:46pm |
| 04:46.56 | kyu | hehe |
| 04:46.58 | ke6isf | kyu: Try some chamomile. |
| 04:47.16 | kyu | ke6isf, mmm, i hate the taste of that stuff |
| 04:47.22 | kyu | I'd rather go walking for a few hours |
| 04:47.27 | Guerin | smoke ganja |
| 04:47.27 | kyu | although that dpoesn't really help either |
| 04:47.28 | behrouz | TBBle: i can boot it successfully from the new disk but dont know how to use /etc/shadow to find out the login |
| 04:47.39 | dylan_ | would it be smart to write a blog post against scientology? |
| 04:47.43 | Guerin | behrouz: the login, or the password? |
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| 04:47.50 | Guerin | dylan_: why wouldn't it be? |
| 04:47.53 | kyu | pot doesn't actually make me feel tired anymore, which is cool, i just get the munchies then a few hours later it wears ogg |
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| 04:47.56 | kyu | off |
| 04:48.01 | Guerin | kyu: smoke more |
| 04:48.10 | kyu | I smoke plenty :) |
| 04:48.15 | ke6isf | kyu: catnip, then? |
| 04:48.30 | kyu | dot dot dot |
| 04:49.01 | TheQ | http://aether.acraces.org/bug.txt |
| 04:49.04 | dylan_ | guerin the church of scientology hires lawyers to fuck with peoples lives thats why |
| 04:49.16 | kyu | well gcc4 seems to be compiling 2.6.12 fine |
| 04:49.17 | dylan_ | if they speak out |
| 04:49.24 | Guerin | dylan_: be anonymous |
| 04:49.26 | kyu | I ope it's not too unstable |
| 04:49.32 | dylan_ | ill do that. thanks |
| 04:49.46 | pureone | http://www.funpic.hu/en.picview.php?id=21674&c=11&s=dd&p=22 |
| 04:49.58 | Guerin | TheQ: strace your dpkg -i |
| 04:50.07 | TheQ | how |
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| 04:50.45 | Guerin | TheQ: man strace |
| 04:51.06 | TheQ | i dont have it |
| 04:51.06 | VIPER^|^ | hello guys |
| 04:51.14 | kyu | Hi. |
| 04:51.20 | VIPER^|^ | how can i know the bus identifier for my vga |
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| 04:51.31 | Guerin | dylan_: better yet, pretend not to be anoymous. Fabricate an identity. Use it to post to messageboards and so on. Claim to be in another country. Etc. |
| 04:51.35 | Guerin | !installit |
| 04:51.35 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 04:51.39 | maher | VIPER^|^: you don't need it unless you have >1 card or are on ppc |
| 04:51.42 | Guerin | TheQ: are you always this fucking helpless? |
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| 04:52.02 | kyu | bwahaha |
| 04:52.13 | TheQ | thing is i cant install shit with this bug |
| 04:52.15 | zoOMAas | shouldn't ISO9660 work for block device ? |
| 04:52.15 | Guerin | dylan_: i'm pretty sure they wouldn't fuck with you if you claimed to be from, say, kyrgyzstan |
| 04:52.16 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 04:52.24 | VIPER^|^ | i rememver there was a command that shows the vga model with the bus number like PCI xxxxx |
| 04:52.28 | VIPER^|^ | how can i get that |
| 04:52.34 | kyu | download the .deb manually from the website and use dpkg? |
| 04:52.34 | pureone | lspci ? |
| 04:52.37 | maher | VIPER^|^: lspci |
| 04:52.39 | Guerin | TheQ: you're fucked. Reinstall. |
| 04:52.41 | VIPER^|^ | while installing x-window-system |
| 04:52.43 | VIPER^|^ | :) |
| 04:52.47 | VIPER^|^ | maher, thnx man |
| 04:52.49 | VIPER^|^ | :) |
| 04:53.07 | maher | VIPER^|^: you know i thought it told you that on the screen before... |
| 04:53.13 | Guerin | TheQ: or hire someone to help you fix this, because it's going to be tricky talking you through it, and i have to work in ~20 minutes |
| 04:53.47 | zoOMAas | I did dmesg and it gave me ISO 9660 Extension: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 and RPIP_1991A |
| 04:53.49 | maher | TheQ: whay hw / version of debian |
| 04:53.52 | csdgp | Guerin: nah -- they'd just hire someone to make you disappear quietly :) |
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| 04:54.43 | keenan | the main difference between xlibmesa-glu and libglu1-xorg is a c++ abi change, right? |
| 04:54.57 | keenan | so shouldn't libxine1 work equally well with either? |
| 04:54.58 | Guerin | csdgp: how? |
| 04:55.07 | keenan | because it uses no c++? |
| 04:55.14 | Guerin | maher: he doesn't know anything. |
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| 04:55.41 | keenan | xine-ui: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:56.03 | zoOMAas | Is there a different value then ISO9660. When I mount a device such as a block device such as a cd-rom I specify ISO9660 |
| 04:56.08 | Guerin | keenan: maybe, but the dep is specified to one r the other. You can try foprcing the dep, seeing if it works, and using equivs to make a dummy, but you'd also get to keep the pieces. |
| 04:56.21 | maher | keenan: you could always manually recompile things with gcc-4.0 |
| 04:56.33 | Guerin | zoOMAas: wtf? |
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| 04:56.43 | zoOMAas | wtf what |
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| 04:57.24 | sk2 | so debian still supports xfree over xorg? |
| 04:57.25 | zoOMAas | I'm looking for a little help with my problem here. You can go to hell asshole |
| 04:57.38 | Guerin | zoOMAas: what you said doesn't make sense |
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| 04:57.57 | maher | zoOMAas: its important to insult people who attempt to help you... |
| 04:58.04 | Guerin | zoOMAas: and insulting the people who are trying to help you may not be the best solution to your problem |
| 04:58.10 | maher | sk2: xorg is now in unstable |
| 04:58.14 | SDFH_Linux | does debian support p4 64bit cpus? |
| 04:58.16 | sk2 | maher: thanks |
| 04:58.28 | Guerin | zoOMAas: now, pretty please with chocolate buttons, if you could clarify what the fuck it is you mean? |
| 04:58.40 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: yes |
| 04:58.46 | zoOMAas | I have explained my situation. To me it is one I do not understand. |
| 04:58.52 | daedalus_ | zoOMAas: iso9660 is the filesystem. If you try to mount any other type of filesystem, then you need to specify the type accordingly. eg: ext2, vfat, etc |
| 04:58.54 | sk2 | just managed to get debian installed onto an old laptop after gentoo gave me no end of grief, so very new to debian |
| 04:59.03 | SDFH_Linux | is there a specific channel for that? |
| 04:59.06 | SDFH_Linux | cpu? |
| 04:59.08 | keenan | i just did a dpkg --ignore-depends to install xine-ui and it works great |
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| 04:59.20 | valdyn | !tell SDFH_Linux about amd64 |
| 04:59.23 | Guerin | zoOMAas: you're asking if you can mount a cd with -t iso9661 instead of 9660? |
| 04:59.24 | keenan | so the dependencies should prolly be changed to reflect that |
| 04:59.32 | Guerin | zoOMAas: for instance... |
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| 05:00.07 | zoOMAas | no |
| 05:00.14 | Guerin | keenan: won't be an issue, really, once the package updates |
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| 05:00.22 | zoOMAas | I said I'm using dselect |
| 05:00.39 | Guerin | keenan: but that's nice to know. If you want, you can create a dummy package using equivs to satisfy that dep |
| 05:00.42 | zoOMAas | and want to use my DVD's to install some goodies |
| 05:00.42 | VIPER^|^ | maher, I did a mistake in configuring x-window-system now i want to reconfigure it i type dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system and i get nothing at all |
| 05:00.45 | SDFH_Linux | i mean the 64bit cpu from intel not the amd one |
| 05:00.49 | Guerin | zoOMAas: go on, then |
| 05:00.54 | VIPER^|^ | how can i reconfigure it whats the command to do that ? |
| 05:01.02 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 05:01.02 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 05:01.05 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: so? both use the same instruction set. |
| 05:01.08 | daedalus_ | SDFH_Linux: ia64 |
| 05:01.13 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 05:01.17 | SDFH_Linux | that i ddint know |
| 05:01.19 | keenan | so is there a way to tell apt-get to calm down and not complain about what it thinks are broken dependencies? |
| 05:01.30 | Bac9 | what keyboard layout switcher do you use/recomend? non gnome/kde |
| 05:01.31 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: an itanium is no P4, but i guess you're not talking about Itanium. |
| 05:01.35 | Guerin | keenan: yes. Fix the dependency breakage. |
| 05:01.40 | zoOMAas | so it asked me for the block device name |
| 05:01.45 | sanxiyn | SDFH_Linux: They are the same thing, so it doesn't matter. |
| 05:01.47 | keenan | but xine works perfectly... |
| 05:02.09 | zoOMAas | I'm googling away here |
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| 05:02.27 | Guerin | keenan: so the dependency was set wrong in the original package. How could the maintainer have known that future versions and builds would work? |
| 05:02.37 | valdyn | keenan: it could break in unexpected ways, or not at all, depending on which parts of the 2.0 abi are used. |
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| 05:02.41 | maher | !tell VIPER^|^ about drxx |
| 05:02.50 | Guerin | keenan: make a dummy package, or live with broken deps |
| 05:03.12 | keenan | dummy package... any pointers on how to do that? |
| 05:03.29 | Guerin | !equivs |
| 05:03.29 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 05:03.42 | keenan | thanks, dpkg |
| 05:03.44 | daedalus_ | valdyn: amd64 != ia64. x86_64 == amd64 |
| 05:03.49 | VIPER^|^ | its removing x-window-system and installing instead xserver-xfree86 (NB: My sources.list contain the ubuntu sources not basic debian ) |
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| 05:03.57 | valdyn | daedalus_: i know, that's what i said. |
| 05:04.02 | Guerin | VIPER^|^: bah, you're fucked. |
| 05:04.10 | DoppelGanger | hits the danger will robinson button |
| 05:04.15 | DoppelGanger | woops 2 late |
| 05:04.17 | VIPER^|^ | Guerin, why ? |
| 05:04.28 | Guerin | VIPER^|^: mixing debian and ubuntu is a recipe for breakage |
| 05:04.29 | PandaKun | yo |
| 05:04.31 | PandaKun | you have any idea how to install ncruses-devel? |
| 05:04.33 | PandaKun | apt-get install won't work. =o |
| 05:04.35 | PandaKun | *curses |
| 05:04.48 | Guerin | PandaKun: apt-cache search ncurses dev |
| 05:04.48 | valdyn | PandaKun: libncurses5-dev |
| 05:04.50 | maher | SDFH_Linux: p4 64bit is amd64 not ia64 |
| 05:04.51 | daedalus_ | valdyn: [01:01:05] <valdyn> SDFH_Linux: so? both use the same instruction set. |
| 05:05.07 | PandaKun | wow thanks. |
| 05:05.10 | PandaKun | trying to install mysql source |
| 05:05.15 | Guerin | !acs badgers |
| 05:05.16 | VIPER^|^ | Guerin, I just want the facilities of debian with kernel 2.0 ( coz kernel 2.0 supports my pent@net Card) |
| 05:05.18 | valdyn | daedalus_: yes, his p4 with emt64 and an amd64 |
| 05:05.19 | PandaKun | pain in the ass my program cant find mysql_version.h |
| 05:05.29 | Guerin | VIPER^|^: OMFG kernel 2.0!!111 |
| 05:05.35 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Any reason you are installing mysql from source? |
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| 05:05.42 | PandaKun | yeah |
| 05:05.45 | PandaKun | i need the headers |
| 05:05.47 | Guerin | PandaKun: really bad idea |
| 05:05.50 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: ... |
| 05:05.51 | PandaKun | what is? |
| 05:05.54 | VIPER^|^ | OMFG ??!! |
| 05:06.01 | Guerin | PandaKun: install the mysql dev packages |
| 05:06.02 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: You need header, so you install from source? OMG. |
| 05:06.03 | kyu | VIPER^|^: kernel 2.0? What the fuck are you talking aobut? |
| 05:06.09 | PandaKun | lol |
| 05:06.12 | PandaKun | they said i shuold |
| 05:06.15 | d03boy | I use xchat, I am on a network behind a router, and I cant seem to ident. Can someone help me out here? I'm not sure what I need to set up or whatever.. |
| 05:06.17 | PandaKun | the creators of a emu |
| 05:06.20 | VIPER^|^ | 2. whatever not 2.0 |
| 05:06.23 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: haa |
| 05:06.23 | PandaKun | compiled wel |
| 05:06.26 | PandaKun | lolol |
| 05:06.28 | VIPER^|^ | anything that goes with 2 |
| 05:06.31 | Guerin | dpkg, acs $1 is <reply> apt-cache search $1 |
| 05:06.31 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:06.33 | kyu | Well there are two main 2.x vers |
| 05:06.35 | PandaKun | /usr/include/mysql.h:58:27: mysql_version.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:06.37 | VIPER^|^ | but not kernel 3 series |
| 05:06.37 | kyu | 2.4.x and 2.6.x |
| 05:06.38 | PandaKun | see thats the main problem |
| 05:06.42 | kyu | There's no 3 "Series" |
| 05:06.48 | Guerin | !acs mysql dev |
| 05:06.49 | dpkg | apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 05:06.53 | Guerin | PandaKun: ^^^ |
| 05:06.55 | DoppelGanger | wtf is VIPER^|^ smoking |
| 05:06.57 | behrouz | tryin to boot uml from a disk image but dont know the login, how can i find out the login plz help |
| 05:06.57 | sk2 | what tool do I use to change from stable to unstable? |
| 05:06.58 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Get libmysqlclient12-dev. |
| 05:07.00 | PandaKun | *looking* |
| 05:07.04 | PandaKun | i got that sanxi |
| 05:07.14 | PandaKun | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 05:07.16 | PandaKun | still didnt work |
| 05:07.17 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Huh? |
| 05:07.19 | PandaKun | i already have it |
| 05:07.23 | karsten | DoppelGanger: VIPERs are things on your VINDSHIELDs. |
| 05:07.27 | valdyn | behrouz: you cant really, but you can change it. |
| 05:07.28 | kyu | karsten, not even god can help you ;) |
| 05:07.32 | PandaKun | any other ideas? |
| 05:07.33 | Guerin | PandaKun: what are you building that needs mysql dev libs anyways? |
| 05:07.34 | VIPER^|^ | :# |
| 05:07.39 | PandaKun | eAthena |
| 05:07.44 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 05:07.44 | kyu | He's too busy smiting eejits like VIPER^|^ |
| 05:07.57 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Should work. |
| 05:07.58 | Guerin | ok, try configuring with --with-mysql=/lib |
| 05:08.05 | PandaKun | in source? |
| 05:08.07 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: mysql_version.h is in /usr/include/mysql. |
| 05:08.09 | behrouz | valdyn: pretty sure there is a way to find out the login |
| 05:08.18 | Guerin | bah |
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| 05:08.22 | Guerin | i meant /usr |
| 05:08.23 | PandaKun | whoa |
| 05:08.28 | valdyn | behrouz: yea, running a bruteforce crack tool, but there's no "sane" way. |
| 05:08.33 | Wyzard | VIPER^|^: uhh... kernel 2.0 is nearly nine years old... I don't think that's what you meant |
| 05:08.33 | Wyzard | VIPER^|^: Current kernels are 2.6 |
| 05:08.33 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Perhaps you need -I/usr/include/mysql, but it should be found since dev package provides mysql_config? |
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| 05:08.52 | sk2 | I have looked through the howto for apt-get and dselect but cannot find how I change from using stable to using unstable builds... can anyone help? |
| 05:08.57 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: If it can't find mysql_version.h with libmysqlclient12-dev installed, that software is broken. |
| 05:09.05 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: I guess it isn't using mysql_config? |
| 05:09.06 | Wyzard | VIPER^|^: There is no kernel 3.x, and 2.6 is already in Debian; you don't need Ubuntu sources for that |
| 05:09.10 | maher | behrouz: just mount the disc image and edit /etc/shadow |
| 05:09.11 | Thaiger | I'm trying to compile a program that says I need the qt libs what package would that be? I install libqt3c102 and that didn't work |
| 05:09.13 | behrouz | valdyn: do u have any idea how where i could the crack and how to use it thx |
| 05:09.23 | kyu | sk2, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to contain "unstable" then run apt-get dist-upgrade,but don't come crying when it breaks :) |
| 05:09.27 | sanxiyn | Thaiger: libqt3-mt-dev! |
| 05:09.31 | PandaKun | no idea san |
| 05:09.43 | valdyn | behrouz: it will take to long if your password so somewhat good |
| 05:09.53 | valdyn | s/so/is/ |
| 05:09.58 | behrouz | maher: do u mean runnim uml by mounting the disk image? |
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| 05:10.18 | valdyn | behrouz: apt-cache show john |
| 05:10.25 | kyu | There is a scary amount of heat coming from my lappy's out |
| 05:10.39 | VIPER^|^ | for nvidea tnt2 VGA should i put (NV or riva128) |
| 05:10.40 | Thaiger | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 05:10.51 | Wyzard | VIPER^|^: nv |
| 05:11.01 | maher | behrouz: mount the disc image with mount, then edit /etc/shadow |
| 05:11.11 | sanxiyn | Thaiger: Debian's QTDIR is /usr/share/qt3. |
| 05:11.17 | PandaKun | god dammit |
| 05:11.18 | PandaKun | so many errors |
| 05:11.22 | valdyn | behrouz: ^^ that's ( what maher said ) the only good way. |
| 05:11.32 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Ask software author. |
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| 05:11.51 | maher | behrouz: where did you get this disc image? |
| 05:11.58 | kyu | lordlamer? What a handle ;) |
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| 05:12.12 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Does mysql_config --cflags --libs print sensible things? |
| 05:12.14 | PandaKun | u guys have good ./configure? |
| 05:12.19 | PandaKun | sec |
| 05:12.30 | PandaKun | -I/usr/include/mysql -DBIG_JOINS=1 |
| 05:12.30 | PandaKun | -L/usr/lib -lmysqlclient -lz -lcrypt -lnsl -lm |
| 05:12.30 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: If it does, your software using MySQL is broken, not Debian's MySQL package. |
| 05:12.38 | PandaKun | na |
| 05:12.39 | zoOMAas | How would I find out my exact cd-rom drive block device ? A command perhaps. |
| 05:12.40 | PandaKun | it aint the software |
| 05:12.42 | PandaKun | it worked on my centos |
| 05:12.43 | behrouz | maher: i dont need to mount my disk image to run the debian uml, i just use a command to run it from a different disk image |
| 05:12.47 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Haha |
| 05:12.52 | PandaKun | its just im stuipd |
| 05:12.52 | PandaKun | =P |
| 05:13.02 | valdyn | zoOMAas: i dont know one, cd /proc/ide/ and look |
| 05:13.15 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: No, It seems software you're trying to build is broken. |
| 05:13.17 | maher | behrouz: why don't you just do what i said |
| 05:13.27 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Ask the author. |
| 05:13.29 | PandaKun | doubt it. |
| 05:13.40 | PandaKun | its not the software |
| 05:13.41 | PandaKun | im sure of it |
| 05:13.41 | VIPER^|^ | 0000:01:0.0 in lspci neer the graphics adapter what should i put it in card bus identifier? |
| 05:13.50 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Haha. |
| 05:13.56 | PandaKun | cus i compield it plenty of times |
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| 05:14.03 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Not on Debian. |
| 05:14.17 | valdyn | VIPER^|^: why are you trying to put anything there? |
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| 05:14.45 | VIPER^|^ | im configuring xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:14.45 | behrouz | maher: scared if i use the mount command it will f*ck up my linux |
| 05:14.59 | valdyn | VIPER^|^: thats no reason, just leave it blank |
| 05:15.04 | PandaKun | yeah not on debian |
| 05:15.17 | Wyzard | VIPER^|^: You don't need to specify a bus ID unless you have multiple video cards |
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| 05:15.57 | VIPER^|^ | ah ok |
| 05:15.58 | valdyn | and even then probably only if you have > 1 cards that use the same driver. |
| 05:16.01 | VIPER^|^ | thnx alot guys |
| 05:16.12 | omnistegan | hey guys, I just installed debian sarge and would like to get dual monitor configured, its two different video cards is there a guide somewhere? |
| 05:16.33 | Wyzard | omnistegan: You can do it with two video cards, or with a dual-head video card |
| 05:16.38 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: You may paste compile error at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 05:17.15 | omnistegan | Wyzard, ok well if its possible where do i start? |
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| 05:17.28 | PandaKun | doubt tat would hepl |
| 05:17.35 | PandaKun | i just gotta figure out how to install mysql correctly |
| 05:17.40 | sanxiyn | Sigh. |
| 05:17.45 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: Good luck to you. |
| 05:17.49 | PandaKun | ty |
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| 05:18.00 | Wyzard | omnistegan: Depends on whether you're using two cards or a dual-head card... |
| 05:18.15 | omnistegan | 2 cards |
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| 05:18.34 | YaleR | how can I get the default kernel configuration? I deleted all my sources, and my edited one STILL shows up |
| 05:18.42 | Wyzard | omnistegan: Put two Device sections in your X config, each with a corresponding Screen section, and put both Screens in your ServerLayout |
| 05:18.46 | zoOMAas | I guess debian finnally desided on it's own to find the cd-rom drive |
| 05:19.01 | zoOMAas | some freaky sh!t so far |
| 05:19.06 | PandaKun | see |
| 05:19.09 | PandaKun | its something with mysql |
| 05:19.11 | PandaKun | cus i cant connect to it |
| 05:19.16 | PandaKun | wiht mysql cc |
| 05:19.19 | Wyzard | omnistegan: Check the X docs for the ServerLayout section to see how to specify the relative positioning of the two screens... there are keywords like "LeftOf" |
| 05:19.34 | omnistegan | thanks Wyzard |
| 05:19.55 | daedalus_ | YaleR: make mrclean or make distclean? |
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| 05:20.06 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: ... |
| 05:20.13 | rob_lt | YaleR, mv /boot/config-2.6.8-2-386 /usr/src/linux/.config? |
| 05:20.15 | Frozen-Solid | i'm getting some dependency errors trying to apt-get some stuff... |
| 05:20.18 | daedalus_ | YaleR: total guess |
| 05:20.23 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: I think you are stupid, but peraps I should not say so. |
| 05:20.27 | YaleR | daedalus_: you're sexy, possibly. |
| 05:20.31 | Wyzard | omnistegan: If the two cards use the same driver, and possibly even if they don't, you need to specify the BusID for each Device, so that the driver knows which Device goes with which piece of hardware |
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| 05:20.37 | rob_lt | its make mrproper or make clean |
| 05:20.40 | Frozen-Solid | Depends: libbio2jack0 but it is not going to be installed and Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-20 but it is not installable |
| 05:20.45 | Frozen-Solid | how would i fix this? |
| 05:20.45 | behrouz | stupid question i forgot the command that let u login as root, wasn't it 'root' |
| 05:20.53 | rob_lt | make mrproper deletes the config file |
| 05:20.54 | pureone | su |
| 05:20.58 | daedalus_ | rob_lt: mrproper... that what it was |
| 05:21.00 | behrouz | or right |
| 05:21.09 | maher | Frozen-Solid: on unstable? wait a week or two |
| 05:21.13 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: "apt-get install libbio2jack0" will make apt tell you why it can't install that package |
| 05:21.30 | Frozen-Solid | wyzard: i tried that but got libbio2jack0: Depends: libjack0.80.0-0 (>= 0.99.0) but it is not installable |
| 05:21.33 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: If you're running sid, it's probably related to the GCC transition; I know jack has been held back recently |
| 05:21.43 | sanxiyn | Frozen-Solid: Yes, JACK transition. Wait. |
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| 05:22.00 | Frozen-Solid | honestly, i have no idea what i'm running. i'm trying to get gc-linux playing movies :( |
| 05:22.03 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: and "apt-get install libjack0.80.0-0" will tell you why it's not installable |
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| 05:22.18 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: sid == unstable |
| 05:22.19 | valdyn | Frozen-Solid: then you shouldnt be using unstable? |
| 05:22.20 | Frozen-Solid | E: Package libjack0.80.0-0 has no installation candidate |
| 05:22.36 | sanxiyn | Frozen-Solid: So, do not use unstable (codename Sid). |
| 05:22.48 | valdyn | Frozen-Solid: you could grab it from `/msg dpkg sdn` |
| 05:22.53 | YaleR | rob_lt: worked, I'll just use that. |
| 05:22.59 | PandaKun | yo |
| 05:23.03 | YaleR | rob_lt: if .config doesn't exist, does it look there? seemed to... |
| 05:23.06 | PandaKun | whats the commadn to erase the locate cache |
| 05:23.17 | Frozen-Solid | okay i'm getting 10 people telling me different things and now i'mc onfused :( |
| 05:23.25 | sanxiyn | PandaKun: You can try "updatedb". |
| 05:23.29 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Are you running unstable? |
| 05:23.33 | PandaKun | ah there we go |
| 05:23.37 | PandaKun | i thought updatedb was only for sql |
| 05:23.37 | PandaKun | =P |
| 05:23.44 | Frozen-Solid | Wyzard: ihave no idea what i'm running |
| 05:23.51 | rob_lt | YaleR, I really wouldn't think it would, but I've been wrong before. Also, I should have made that a copy command, and not a move... you likely want to keep that copy in /boot |
| 05:23.54 | Thaiger | What package has the QT headers? |
| 05:23.55 | Frozen-Solid | i'm running GC-Linux, which is some kind of debian |
| 05:24.00 | sanxiyn | Thaiger: libqt3-mt-dev |
| 05:24.05 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Then you're not actually running Debian |
| 05:24.19 | VIPER^|^ | when i type startx i get fatal error: no screan found |
| 05:24.23 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: You're running some distribution which chose Debian as a starting point for its own specific customizations |
| 05:24.25 | VIPER^|^ | how can i fix that |
| 05:24.26 | Frozen-Solid | it's like Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 05:24.41 | sanxiyn | Frozen-Solid: cat /etc/debian_version, and tell us the result. |
| 05:24.45 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: If it were the same as Debian 3.1, it wouldn't be a separate distribution |
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| 05:25.29 | Frozen-Solid | as far as i know it's not a seperate distro though, it's just debian 3.1 in a nbd served root file system |
| 05:25.40 | Wyzard | Umm... GC-Linux appears to be a distribution for running on a Nintendo GameCube |
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| 05:25.45 | rob_lt | Frozen-Solid, irc.oftc.net #gc-linux is somewhere else you could try, too. Are you running linux on your gamecube? |
| 05:25.48 | Frozen-Solid | cube:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:25.48 | Frozen-Solid | testing/unstable <- apparently it's unstable |
| 05:25.51 | Frozen-Solid | :( |
| 05:25.56 | sanxiyn | Ah, indeed. |
| 05:25.57 | Frozen-Solid | gc-linux = yes on gamecube |
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| 05:26.00 | maher | Frozen-Solid: you're running on a nintendo? |
| 05:26.01 | Miazmatic | http://miazmatic.com/~ben/stupid.jpg |
| 05:26.02 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: OK, then you're running unstable |
| 05:26.10 | Frozen-Solid | maher: yes. gc-linux == gamecube linux |
| 05:26.22 | Frozen-Solid | aka debian is runnign on my gamecube via ssh from my linux box 8) |
| 05:26.32 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Unstable is a development area, not meant for general use by people who don't know what they're doing, and right now it's in the middle of a major transition which affects C++ packages like JACK |
| 05:26.47 | Frozen-Solid | uh. k. |
| 05:26.48 | maher | Frozen-Solid: you should be amazed that anything works... |
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| 05:27.03 | Frozen-Solid | well, could the issue be that i just did apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:27.06 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: No, JACK transition is separate from C++ one. |
| 05:27.08 | VIPER^|^ | guys can anyone help me with an xserver configuration ? |
| 05:27.22 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: No, the issue is that JACK is currently broken in unstable |
| 05:27.33 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: ah, sorry |
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| 05:27.36 | Frozen-Solid | i should wipe my cube.rootfs and start fresh, cuz i think i broke something along the way :( |
| 05:27.39 | maher | Frozen-Solid: ignore that - its ppc - i thought it was mips for some reason... |
| 05:27.50 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Won't make a difference, because you'll still be running unstable |
| 05:28.00 | d03boy | does anyone know why ident isnt workign with xchat? is it a debian problem? i forwarded the ports |
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| 05:28.18 | sanxiyn | Frozen-Solid: Makes sense. I think that may work. |
| 05:28.19 | behrouz | anyone uses the red hat 7.0 guinness disk image, not sure what the default login is |
| 05:28.22 | Frozen-Solid | oops. just hit power instead of reset. |
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| 05:28.27 | Frozen-Solid | ah well, i'm restarting it anyway |
| 05:28.36 | maher | d03boy: your firewall / router is blocking ident - ident is stupid anyway - ignore it |
| 05:28.37 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: It'd be a good idea to learn Debian on an ordinary PC before trying it on something esoteric like that |
| 05:28.45 | d03boy | maher, cant, brb |
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| 05:29.16 | Frozen-Solid | i'm used to mandriva/mandrake, which is what i've been running for several years now :\ |
| 05:29.26 | d03boy | i need ident for irc because that is how I am auth'ed on an eggdrop, it wont recognize me without the correct ident |
| 05:30.04 | liable | VIPER^|^: try installing x-window-system-core |
| 05:30.04 | carnage | i need help haunting my room mate: he's in an x session on my box at my appartment and i'm sshed in remotely... how do i make text popup is his x session? |
| 05:30.10 | bemused0 | hey anyone done the Xorg install on sarge? |
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| 05:30.32 | jm_ | carnil: xmessage or an X based dialog util |
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| 05:30.49 | valdyn | !topicsmite bemused0 |
| 05:30.50 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bemused0. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:30.55 | ja0x | Gente de centro america???????? |
| 05:30.56 | maher | d03boy: i manage to irc with no ident |
| 05:31.02 | jm_ | carnil: bear in mind you'll need to an access to his X server |
| 05:31.10 | bemused0 | haha i deserved that, but the window was cleared....no excuses :) |
| 05:31.14 | ja0x | srry |
| 05:31.32 | premcm | what is the code name for new debian/testing? |
| 05:31.33 | d03boy | maher, I have access to an eggdrop which recognizes me as d03boy!d03boy@*.rr.com |
| 05:31.37 | jm_ | bemused0: go to Debian Planet and read |
| 05:31.42 | blahdeblah | premcm: etch |
| 05:31.43 | rob_lt | premcm, etch |
| 05:31.57 | rob_lt | speaking of that, what will sid become when it becomes testing? |
| 05:32.10 | Wyzard | rob_lt: sid never becomes testing |
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| 05:32.12 | bemused0 | i was also thinking more like from compile not from experimental package...jm_ im there(just found debian planet today) , i see lot of sid references |
| 05:32.18 | daffy-pkf | can someone help me? i installed cups and configured my printer using its web interface, but when i want to print a test page, it is aborted, my printer is a lexmark 3200 |
| 05:32.29 | rob_lt | Wyzard, I know how it works... when what is called sid now becomes testing |
| 05:32.40 | rob_lt | unstable is always sid, bla bla ;) |
| 05:32.59 | rob_lt | maybe I should have said, what will the next testing be called? |
| 05:32.59 | maher | d03boy: ident is useless for auth - if something is using it then its broken |
| 05:33.00 | bemused0 | well ya |
| 05:33.03 | daffy-pkf | and if i clixk on restart job it says the following error: client-error-not-possible |
| 05:33.08 | Wyzard | rob_lt: Unstable is always sid, and feeds into testing on a continuous basis |
| 05:33.12 | valdyn | rob_lt: sid never becomes testing, nor does 'what is called sid now' |
| 05:33.14 | bemused0 | so i cant seem to confirm tho, is it just impossible on sarge? |
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| 05:33.20 | rob_lt | Wyzard, I know how it works |
| 05:33.23 | maher | daffy-pkf: look in the logs for errors |
| 05:33.34 | Frozen-Solid | god this rar takes forever to unrar :( |
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| 05:33.39 | Wyzard | rob_lt: There's no point when the entire set of packages that's now in sid moves en-masse into testing... it's an incremental thing |
| 05:33.42 | sparr_ | is there any way to increase the 'polling speed' for a usb joystick in linux? not sure what the right term is, or if its even controlled by the OS |
| 05:33.42 | blahdeblah | daffy-pkf: Turn on debug log level in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, then look at the logs in /var/log/cups |
| 05:33.44 | premcm | i am using ubuntu/amd64 distribution, have some problems in running 32 bit applications ( acroread, nero burning..) i can use it with chroot, is it possible to use it strait out of the box |
| 05:33.46 | valdyn | !etch+1 |
| 05:33.51 | d03boy | maher, I dont think you understand my situation correctly or something... |
| 05:33.58 | Wyzard | premcm: #ubuntu |
| 05:34.01 | Frozen-Solid | it's amazing, the debian filesystem that this uses is rarred up in a 30meg file, but takes a freaking gig when it's unrarred :\ |
| 05:34.02 | daffy-pkf | maher, blahdeblah > ok |
| 05:34.32 | premcm | Wyzard: sorry, i was asking about things in etch? |
| 05:34.34 | blahdeblah | hi all - i'm having problems with DVD playback on sarge. It used to be good, but now it's all jumpy. Where should i start looking? I'm using 2.6 kernel, so it shouldn't be a SCSI emulation problem - right? |
| 05:34.43 | maher | Frozen-Solid: that's probably mostly a gig of zero's... |
| 05:34.47 | rob_lt | So nobody knows what the next testing is going to be called? |
| 05:34.57 | Wyzard | premcm: <premcm> i am using ubuntu/amd64 distribution |
| 05:35.00 | maher | rob-away: after etch? no |
| 05:35.01 | blahdeblah | rob_It: who cares? |
| 05:35.10 | Frozen-Solid | maher; oh i see. i have no idea what it is, other than some file i feed to nbd-server |
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| 05:35.20 | valdyn | blahdeblah: mplayers memory buffer and/or your display mode ( try -vo xv ) |
| 05:35.24 | premcm | Wyzard: i want to switch to debian/sarge - amd64 |
| 05:35.24 | rob_lt | blahdeblah, it's just a fuckin' question, what do you care if I want to know? |
| 05:35.26 | Frozen-Solid | which has my cube install on it somehow, which sends it to my cube, and makes linux appear on my tv |
| 05:35.44 | blahdeblah | valdyn: i use totem, not mplayer - does that make any difference? |
| 05:35.51 | omnistegan | anyone happen to know the location of the xfree86 config file? |
| 05:35.55 | Frozen-Solid | im such a newb :( |
| 05:35.56 | blahdeblah | rob_It: Just wondering. :-) |
| 05:36.09 | blahdeblah | omnistegan: in sarge? |
| 05:36.09 | maher | rob_lt: the release manager gets to pick the next name - it won't be picked till shortly before etch is released |
| 05:36.13 | rob_lt | blahdeblah, and for your problem, make sure DMA is on for you DVD device, that might be one issue |
| 05:36.14 | liable | omnistegan: /etc/X11/ |
| 05:36.18 | omnistegan | thanks |
| 05:36.20 | Wyzard | premcm: You'll need to install Debian then... you can't convert an Ubuntu installation into a Debian installation |
| 05:36.22 | valdyn | blahdeblah: i dont know about issues with totem's memory buffer but the display mode might still be the wrong one. |
| 05:36.23 | rob_lt | maher, thanks, that's all I was after |
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| 05:36.57 | blahdeblah | valdyn: but i need to find some option to use xv? |
| 05:37.05 | bemused0 | okay not to be a pain, i really have read everything on deb planet... but i cant seem to find is if the method differs on sarge, im all ready to try the sid method |
| 05:37.15 | rob_lt | blahdeblah, and scsi emulation only used to apply to burners, and you are correct, 2.6 uses ATAPI for burning |
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| 05:37.29 | valdyn | blahdeblah: i dont know how, totem uses xv by default if it is available, try running totem in a shell to get debug output or try the same w/ mplayer |
| 05:37.37 | blahdeblah | rob_It: got no problems with burning, only DVD playback |
| 05:37.44 | blahdeblah | valdyn: OK - will try it. |
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| 05:38.13 | VIPER^|^ | liable, whats the difference between xserver-xfree86 x-window-system and xorg |
| 05:38.14 | rob_lt | blahdeblah, also, make sure you are using the correct audio output. The overhead of not using alsa, for example, can also slow playback |
| 05:38.21 | premcm | Wyzard: Yes i know ( since i dont have internet at home) i am going to do a fresh install, instead of maintaing 2 copies of linux ( 32 debian + 64 ubuntu) i would like to have only debian (amd64) so before downloading CD/DVD i wanted to know |
| 05:38.24 | maher | bemused0: why not make an unstable chroot to play with xorg |
| 05:38.53 | Wyzard | premcm: Using 32-bit stuff in your Debian amd64 installation will be pretty much the same as in Ubuntu amd64 |
| 05:38.57 | rorot | I used to play movie on console as root. when I dont use su to play movie on console, mplayer tells me that Error opening video_out(-vo) device, how can I play movie on console as a normal user ? |
| 05:38.59 | blahdeblah | rob_It: OK - thanks. Will check it out. |
| 05:39.05 | VIPER^|^ | whats the difference between xserver-xfree86 x-window-system and xorg |
| 05:39.07 | Isnor | I have a question, do you need ALL the debain images or can you just burn off 1 or 2 and still be able to use it? |
| 05:39.17 | premcm | Wyzard: thanks |
| 05:39.20 | maher | Isnor: on x86 you only need cd1 |
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| 05:39.21 | bemused0 | maher, that sounds wise, but thats the reason im here im trying to figure out how 'unstable it is' |
| 05:39.24 | pablum | Wyzard, isn't only the unstable one pure 64bit? |
| 05:39.29 | Wyzard | premcm: I don't use amd64 so I don't have firsthand experience with it, but everything I've heard about closed-source apps like Flash and acroread which only provide 32-bit builds is that you have to run them in chroot |
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| 05:39.39 | pablum | i take a hint |
| 05:39.42 | valdyn | premcm: the ( imo ) best method to use 32-bit and 64-bit apps with debian is maintaining 2 complete debian installs, one you boot to ( the 64-bit one ), and one your chroot to ( 32-bit one ) |
| 05:39.42 | maher | bemused0: in a chroot you don't care cos if it doesn't work you just delete it |
| 05:39.47 | bemused0 | ive read of 1 successful install on sarge, but dont alude to any instructions /differences |
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| 05:39.51 | Isnor | Maher: Thanks |
| 05:39.52 | liable | VIPER^|^: you can have xorg server or xfree server, x-window-system pulls all the other packehes in to make it work. |
| 05:40.25 | bemused0 | maher, no exerience with that,(cross installs) but i could go hit me up some more google |
| 05:40.37 | Wyzard | premcm: pablum has a point -- I'm not sure whether sarge amd64 exists |
| 05:41.02 | premcm | Wyzard, i does exists and available for download |
| 05:41.06 | liable | isnt there an unofficial release? |
| 05:41.10 | Wyzard | premcm: amd64 didn't officially become part of Debian until shortly after sarge was released, and I'm not sure if the amd64 group then did a sarge-equivalent release of their own |
| 05:41.12 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:41.19 | bemused0 | (reason i want xorg is i cant seem to get the new nvidia drivers to act right (i was using xorg in mandrake) |
| 05:41.46 | valdyn | bemused0: the new drivers *from* nvidia.com don't work in sarge. |
| 05:41.50 | pablum | it does on amd64.debian.net... but unstable only unless something's changed |
| 05:41.55 | cheal | bemused0: that doesn't sound like a good reason |
| 05:41.58 | bemused0 | heh, so iv noticed |
| 05:42.08 | pablum | it's "unofficial" |
| 05:42.09 | cheal | bemused0: what's their problem? |
| 05:42.11 | valdyn | bemused0: and that has nothing to do with xorg vs xfree86 |
| 05:42.17 | bemused0 | im still new :) been on debian 2 days |
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| 05:42.25 | bemused0 | well other than the speed increases etc. |
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| 05:42.38 | kyu | At least you're not using that french piece of shit mandrake bemused0... |
| 05:42.39 | VIPER^|^ | well I apt'ed x-window-system then i dont dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 since dpkg-reconfigure was giving no output so it automatikly remover x-window-system and x-window-system-core and a third package and installed xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:42.41 | kyu | ;) |
| 05:42.57 | VIPER^|^ | and now after the config startx doesnt start |
| 05:42.59 | bemused0 | which this installation if xfree86 feels noticibly slower, than my xorg install did |
| 05:43.03 | behrouz | help, how can i find out the login to my disk image (trying to boot the debian uml from this disk image) |
| 05:43.03 | premcm | Wyzard: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/ there is a amd64 directory |
| 05:43.12 | benjamindees | my savage vidcard insists I have a 640x480 lcd when I have a 1024x768 crt :( |
| 05:43.13 | bemused0 | kyu, ya i didnt like its clutter, or the 'kiddy linux' look |
| 05:43.24 | kyu | Sadly most linux is kiddy linux |
| 05:43.27 | valdyn | behrouz: we already told you all possibilities |
| 05:43.37 | kyu | I'd never use linux for a server/anything important |
| 05:43.39 | maher | behrouz: mount -o loop discimage /somedir |
| 05:43.40 | bemused0 | gotta start somewhere, don't be too elitist :) |
| 05:44.09 | kyu | I'm not elitist |
| 05:44.36 | kyu | But i didn't have a problem starting on bsd.. It's not exactly like anyone NEEDS to start out on a braindead os :/ |
| 05:44.55 | bemused0 | never tried bsd |
| 05:45.02 | kyu | good for servers |
| 05:45.09 | bemused0 | cant use it as a vmware host, it wont run the software i need |
| 05:45.10 | bemused0 | so its out |
| 05:45.11 | bemused0 | :) |
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| 05:46.12 | kyu | http://www.mindspring.com/~vsilyaev/vmware/ |
| 05:46.20 | blahdeblah | benjamindees: You want #flamewar ;-) |
| 05:46.50 | behrouz | maher: but if i mount my current root file system will be changed!!! |
| 05:47.05 | jm_ | bemused0: did you see how someone has already backported it to Sarge? |
| 05:47.10 | maher | behrouz: mount the disc image |
| 05:47.13 | benjamindees | blahdeblah, no, that's where I'm going to be in a second though... |
| 05:47.23 | bemused0 | jm_, no i havent found that.... |
| 05:47.34 | kyu | damn #flamewar is empty |
| 05:47.37 | blahdeblah | kyu: "BSD - it's like Linux, but for old guys!" :-) |
| 05:47.42 | bemused0 | hah |
| 05:47.45 | blahdeblah | See you in #flamewar |
| 05:47.47 | kyu | blahdeblah: .... |
| 05:47.49 | tengulre | ? |
| 05:48.01 | bemused0 | population 2 |
| 05:48.16 | jm_ | bemused0: Norbert Tretkowski: Backport of xorg-x11 for sarge updated 0 you should read it |
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| 05:49.39 | bemused0 | jm_, thnx all over it |
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| 05:49.57 | teufel | ERROR 1105: File '/usr/local/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' |
| 05:49.57 | teufel | not found (Errcode: 2) |
| 05:50.15 | blahdeblah | kyu: Seriously, i went to linux.conf.au in '02 and Greg Leahey gave a presentation on FreeBSD. The basic gist was that it was better than Linux because it was derived from the original Unix sources. Wow! ;-) |
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| 05:50.56 | behrouz | maher: mounted the disk image, what should i edit next forgot the folder thanks |
| 05:51.08 | daffy-pkf | blahdeblah> should i look for something specific? i have an error about locales, and this: "Unknown device: lxm3200" |
| 05:51.29 | maher | behrouz: /etc/shadow |
| 05:51.44 | benjamindees | blahdeblah, 20 years of cruft makes everything better... |
| 05:51.57 | behrouz | maher: the shadow directory doesn't exist! |
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| 05:52.19 | behrouz | maher: oh never mind its shodow- |
| 05:52.37 | blahdeblah | benjamindees: :-) |
| 05:52.52 | maher | behrouz: replace the root password hash with a hash from your main /etc/shadow which you know the password for |
| 05:53.14 | blahdeblah | daffy-pkf: No idea - sounds like it's trying to open a device driver that's not loaded into the kernel. |
| 05:53.35 | teufel | I'm having a problem with mysql. Whenever I try to start it via: /etc/init.d/mysql start I get this error: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connet to server at 'localhost' failed, can't connect to local mysql server through socket /var/mysqld.sock (2) |
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| 05:54.10 | blahdeblah | daffy-pkf: Hmmm... Let's see here. I have /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/lxm3200.xml on my system. Have you got foomatic-db installed? |
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| 05:54.19 | backspace_ | I installed thttpd and now when I try to remove it with apt-get --purge remove i get an error message stating that dpkg: error processing thttpd (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 05:54.24 | behrouz | maher: so i'll just delete the shadow- |
| 05:54.28 | backspace_ | could anyone tell me what to do |
| 05:54.31 | maher | behrouz: no |
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| 05:54.39 | daffy-pkf | blahdeblah> i check |
| 05:54.40 | starmax | how do you search for a software // keyword with apt-get ? |
| 05:54.52 | maher | starmax: apt-cache search |
| 05:55.02 | daffy-pkf | blahdeblah> yes |
| 05:55.10 | blahdeblah | valdyn, rob_It: I'm getting lots of these from totem: "video_out: throwing away image with pts 5948864 because it's too old" |
| 05:55.13 | backspace_ | starmax: you can also go to .bashrc and alias search=apt-get search |
| 05:55.16 | backspace_ | makes life easier |
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| 05:55.19 | starmax | k |
| 05:55.21 | maher | daffy-pkf: what printer again? |
| 05:55.25 | blahdeblah | I'm wondering whether my video card performance is a problem. |
| 05:55.30 | blahdeblah | maher: lexmark 3200 |
| 05:55.37 | behrouz | maher: so i'll copy whatever is in shadow and paste it in shadow- |
| 05:55.41 | Frozen-Solid | cube:~# cat /etc/debian_version - 3.1 <- okay so i'm using debian 3.1 like i thought |
| 05:55.48 | Frozen-Solid | how the heck did i manage to go from 3.1 to unstable without realizing it? |
| 05:55.48 | backspace_ | could anyone tell me why dpkg gives error on trying to remove a package |
| 05:55.50 | daffy-pkf | maher> lexmark 3200 |
| 05:55.50 | jm_ | backspace_: using sid? |
| 05:55.56 | backspace_ | no I am using sarge |
| 05:56.01 | jm_ | check BTS |
| 05:56.18 | teufel | What is mysqld? |
| 05:56.38 | backspace_ | man i tell ya |
| 05:56.44 | backspace_ | linux is more headache than anything else |
| 05:56.51 | backspace_ | sure its free, but its a pain the ass |
| 05:56.57 | backspace_ | nothing is ever free |
| 05:56.58 | backspace_ | :/ |
| 05:57.06 | behrouz | maher: this wont solve my porblem because i need to boot this disk image from school (where i can't login as root and can't do mount), and need to know the original pass |
| 05:57.20 | Frozen-Solid | maher: okay i have a fresh cube root setup now, and it's debian 3.1 -- how would i possibly go from that to unstable without realizing it, so that i dont screw this up again? |
| 05:57.33 | maher | behrouz: once you've fixed the disk image just copy it over |
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| 05:57.42 | starmax | well i meant to search in the public archive |
| 05:58.06 | benjamindees | backspace_, try apt-get remove instead |
| 05:58.27 | backspace_ | benjamindees: what do you think I did? |
| 05:58.29 | starmax | apt-cache search blahblah search in local archove |
| 05:58.35 | bemused0 | this norbert character isnt the thac of the debian universe is he? |
| 05:58.39 | cheal | teufel: a mysql daemon, presumably |
| 05:58.42 | paster | "wishie" at 203.217.84.129 pasted "Bash Script" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/362 |
| 05:59.01 | jm_ | he's the VIM maintainer |
| 05:59.06 | wishie | how can i get that script to do pwd/filename |
| 05:59.10 | wishie | instead of just filename |
| 05:59.11 | bemused0 | aah. no indeed then :) |
| 05:59.25 | Frozen-Solid | -> apt-get upgrade <- could this command update me from 3.1 to sid? is there something else i should be doing to not break my box? |
| 05:59.25 | bemused0 | had to ask :) |
| 05:59.29 | jm_ | wishie: what? |
| 05:59.30 | blahdeblah | daffy-pkf: If you want us to help more on the device not found error, try pasting 5 or so lines of context into #flood |
| 05:59.31 | teufel | cheal: is there a way to just reinstall it or something? i get an error whenever I try to start it and it's messing mysql up |
| 05:59.43 | blahdeblah | Frozen-Solid: yes, if you have the right stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:59.47 | daffy-pkf | blahdeblah> ok |
| 05:59.53 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Only if you edited your sources.list to point to sid instead of sarge |
| 05:59.53 | backspace_ | could anyone tell me what to do |
| 05:59.59 | d03boy | how can I restart inetd? |
| 06:00.02 | maher | Frozen-Solid: well - unstable is doing a gcc transition atm - some things won't work |
| 06:00.04 | behrouz | thanks maher, |
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| 06:00.05 | Frozen-Solid | blahdeblah - oh so uh... how do i make sure the right source list is there? |
| 06:00.06 | backspace_ | I installed thttpd and now when I try to remove it with apt-get --purge remove i get an error message stating that dpkg: error processing thttpd (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 06:00.08 | wishie | jm_: see the script i pasted...it gives me a file with Filename: "blah.jpg", where as i want Filename: "/path/to/blah.jpg" |
| 06:00.11 | Frozen-Solid | maher: i'm not running unstable |
| 06:00.20 | liable | backspace_: can you paste the whole lot on paster? |
| 06:00.20 | Frozen-Solid | it's 3.1 i just refreshed my root file system |
| 06:00.22 | benjamindees | backspace_, ah, didn't scroll back... |
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| 06:00.26 | cheal | teufel: reinstall the package that provides it, presumably. otherwise, tell how you start it and how it fails |
| 06:00.34 | blahdeblah | backspace_: benjamindees just did |
| 06:00.35 | behrouz | how do i change my login and also the root pswd for sarg |
| 06:00.45 | jm_ | wishie: prepend `pwd` to it or use Cwd module |
| 06:00.51 | backspace_ | blahdeblah: either read or shush :/ |
| 06:00.57 | wishie | jm_: basically, id like it to give me Filename: "pwd/blah.jpg" |
| 06:01.06 | wishie | jm_: i tried `pwd` didnt seem to work :( |
| 06:01.16 | blahdeblah | backspace_: sorry - slow typist :-) |
| 06:01.29 | jm_ | wishie: you need to do `pwd`/$Filename |
| 06:01.30 | wishie | it just printed Filename: "`pwd`blah.jpg" |
| 06:01.39 | jm_ | wishie: how did you do this? |
| 06:02.11 | wishie | how did i get that result you mean ? |
| 06:02.30 | teufel | cheal: I'm having a problem with mysql. Whenever I try to start it via: /etc/init.d/mysql start I get this error: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connet to server at 'localhost' failed, can't connect to local mysql server through socket /var/mysqld.sock (2) |
| 06:02.35 | liable | backspace_: actually dont worry. Look in the pre remove script, and see if you can see anything obvious |
| 06:02.37 | jm_ | no how did you call perl |
| 06:02.38 | wishie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.51 | backspace_ | liable: i have no idea where or what that is |
| 06:03.00 | wishie | jm_: its just a script i got from the net, but doesnt do quite what i want.. |
| 06:03.02 | backspace_ | I just want to get this damn broken package off my system |
| 06:03.02 | TBBle | teufel: Well, off the top of my head /var/mysqld.sock is wrong. |
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| 06:03.23 | benjamindees | woo, hoo, normal resolution :) |
| 06:03.40 | blahdeblah | daffy-pkf: What it's saying is there is no GhostScript driver called lxm3200. I don't know why. |
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| 06:03.58 | blahdeblah | daffy-pkf: Check out your particular printer at http://linuxprinting.org |
| 06:04.01 | cheal | teufel: sounds familiar, but I don't remember the solution right now. reading the doc or trying google would certainly help though |
| 06:04.01 | backspace_ | liable: thttpd package HAS NOTHING in it, I install it, and it installs fine, and then, there is nothing in /etc/thttpd/, it doesn't even create a thttpd in /etc/, but when you look at the installed files in the package with dpkg -L it tells you that the files exist in those places |
| 06:04.07 | backspace_ | wtf is going on |
| 06:04.12 | backspace_ | are people making bogus packages for debian now? |
| 06:04.31 | deadcat | yes |
| 06:04.33 | daffy-pkf | blahdeblah> i did it, it's where i found the instructions to install cups |
| 06:04.34 | jm_ | wishie: so get the pwd at its start |
| 06:04.40 | wishie | backspace_: yeah, just to keep you guessing |
| 06:04.45 | teufel | cheal: I have been trying google for a long time now, and nothing =x |
| 06:05.03 | cheal | teufel: I'm surprised |
| 06:05.04 | KodeK|BBL | Where can I find the config that'll let me change how often logcheck sends me emails? Is it a cron job? If it is, where can I find it? |
| 06:05.09 | Frozen-Solid | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free <- okay so this is my sources file... i'm assuming "unstable" is wha'ts bad -- what should be there instead? |
| 06:05.20 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: dpkg -L logcheck shall help |
| 06:05.29 | KodeK|BBL | -L? |
| 06:05.34 | TBBle | That's possibly a little excessivley 'tiny'... |
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| 06:05.43 | KodeK|BBL | oooh, that's NICE :) |
| 06:05.45 | wishie | jm_: i tried X=`pwd` and doing "FileName: \"$X/$_\"; but that didnt work either. |
| 06:05.46 | benjamindees | backspace_, what are the odds that I'll be able to reproduce your problem with sarge? |
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| 06:05.47 | KodeK|BBL | jm_, thank you! |
| 06:05.57 | backspace_ | I believe 100% |
| 06:06.01 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: np |
| 06:06.05 | cheal | !tell Frozen-Solid about releases |
| 06:06.06 | liable | backspace_: sounds weird for sarge. Check the bug tracking system and if there isnt any bugs for it, file one. |
| 06:06.10 | Jebediah | Howdy. I got a file that somehow got the directory bit set. What would I use to change it back? |
| 06:06.36 | Frozen-Solid | oh. so just replace unstable with sarge? |
| 06:06.45 | backspace_ | I learned about this httpd and thought it was going to be good for me, so I installed it, when I go to configure the conf files or start the service, there are no files in the system, dpkg -L reports the files are installed, but when I browse the lcoations, there is absolutely nothing there |
| 06:06.46 | teufel | cheal: me too... <sigh> is there anyway to find out which package it belongs to? |
| 06:07.03 | cheal | teufel: dpkg -S foo |
| 06:07.11 | TBBle | Jebediah: debug2fs, or something like that, maybe. |
| 06:07.25 | Jebediah | TBBle: thank you, google is no help on this |
| 06:07.27 | cheal | Frozen-Solid: if you'd want to run sarge |
| 06:07.28 | backspace_ | then when I try to remove the package, damn thing tells me dpkg: error processing thttpd (--remove): |
| 06:07.34 | teufel | cheal: thanks |
| 06:07.36 | Frozen-Solid | there we go. thanks cheal :) |
| 06:07.56 | cheal | Frozen-Solid: keep in mind that won't downgrade your system |
| 06:08.06 | Frozen-Solid | i'm running 3.1 |
| 06:08.19 | benjamindees | backspace_, *shrug*, seems to install fine for me |
| 06:08.20 | Frozen-Solid | but for whatever reason the idiots at gc-linux set it to update with sid |
| 06:08.30 | cheal | Frozen-Solid: that would be sarge. if you didn't dist-upgrade, you shouldn't need to reinstall |
| 06:08.40 | ChamWork | hi all, what would be the best approach to implement bandwith limiting functionality on an existing firewall box (linux+iptables+some other stuff), I am thinking CBQ... but thought I'ed ask here for some extra ideas (also urls... of howtos would be nice as well) |
| 06:08.46 | KodeK|BBL | jm_, What does this mean? It's in the cron job: 2 * * * * |
| 06:08.49 | backspace_ | [debian 3.1 root] $ dpkg -L thttpd |
| 06:08.52 | maher | ChamWork: try shaper |
| 06:08.53 | backspace_ | /etc/thttpd/thttpd.conf |
| 06:08.57 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: man 5 crontab |
| 06:08.58 | Frozen-Solid | yay. now let's hope upgrade doesnt break |
| 06:09.02 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Probably because they're (presumably) advanced Debian users, and advanced users often run sid |
| 06:09.06 | backspace_ | anyway |
| 06:09.08 | backspace_ | this is fucked up |
| 06:09.09 | backspace_ | :/ |
| 06:09.11 | Frozen-Solid | oh i see. |
| 06:09.17 | KodeK|BBL | jm_ I kind of understand the concept, but I thought it was executing every 60 minutes (or 1 hour) |
| 06:09.18 | blahdeblah | Frozen-Solid: If you want to downgrade from sid to sarge, you need something like this: http://gear.dyndns.org:81/node/136 |
| 06:09.19 | Frozen-Solid | well they must be smarter than i obviously 8) |
| 06:09.25 | ChamWork | maher, url? |
| 06:09.31 | teufel | cheal: thanks I'll try that |
| 06:09.39 | maher | ChamWork: umm... its in debian |
| 06:09.43 | Frozen-Solid | blahdeblah: dont need to downgrade as far as i know... cuz it's using basic 3.1 |
| 06:09.47 | benjamindees | backspace_, ah, I see, did you delete the files in /etc manually at some point? |
| 06:09.53 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: you don't understand it ;) |
| 06:09.55 | Frozen-Solid | and was until i ran upgrade and screwed up my root fs |
| 06:10.02 | backspace_ | dpkg -L states: /etc/thttpd/thttpd.conf - when I do nano /etc/thttpd/thttpd.conf nothing is there |
| 06:10.03 | KodeK|BBL | jm_ probably not :) |
| 06:10.03 | Frozen-Solid | cuz then it updated to sid. |
| 06:10.04 | dpkg | ii states: /etc/thttpd/thttpd.conf - when I do nano /etc/thttpd/thttpd.conf nothing is there 1.2-2 backspace_'s private stamp collection |
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| 06:10.19 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: what does 2 * * * * mean? |
| 06:10.21 | backspace_ | benjamindees: no I didn't, I simply just installed the thing and tried to get into the .conf file with no luck |
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| 06:10.25 | backspace_ | and I am on sarge |
| 06:10.31 | cmihai | Any E17 users? If so, where does "entraced" (E17's own dm (like xdm)) keep it's settings (like what wm to start)? Becouse it starts xfce when it's supposed to start "enlightenment"... |
| 06:10.40 | KodeK|BBL | jm_, honestly, I can't tell you, but I know it doesn't say 1 hour. |
| 06:10.57 | d03boy | why cant I get identd to restart? I'm following all the different 'kill this, kill that' instructions i see on the web and it doesnt do anything |
| 06:11.01 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: man 5 crontab, read it, apply it to the above specification and it'll make sense |
| 06:11.08 | KodeK|BBL | jm_, fine.. :P |
| 06:11.14 | jm_ | d03boy: ident is very often started from inetd ... |
| 06:11.33 | d03boy | i met inetd |
| 06:11.36 | d03boy | they sound alike :P |
| 06:11.50 | KodeK|BBL | jm_ what's the difference between man crontab and man 5 crontab? |
| 06:11.50 | blahdeblah | Frozen-Solid: read the URL first. It can say 3.1, but that doesn't mean all of your packages are right. |
| 06:11.51 | jm_ | inetd is restarted with its init script in Debian |
| 06:12.00 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: man 5 shows man page from section 5 |
| 06:12.06 | d03boy | oh, that makes sense |
| 06:12.15 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: it will give you more info on the format |
| 06:12.15 | KodeK|BBL | jm_, How did you know which section it was in? |
| 06:12.21 | KodeK|BBL | Just for reference. |
| 06:12.25 | wishie | fsck sake. |
| 06:12.26 | jm_ | KodeK|BBL: because man crontab lists it |
| 06:12.40 | KodeK | jm_, oh ok |
| 06:12.47 | jm_ | KodeK: man crontab -> SEE ALSO: crontab(5) |
| 06:12.51 | backspace_ | i'll fuck with it tommororw |
| 06:13.05 | backspace_ | might even say fuck you to debian and move to gentoo or bsd |
| 06:13.10 | backspace_ | this is fucking stupid and time consuming |
| 06:13.13 | starmax | what the command to check if the ftp tree has some software? |
| 06:13.15 | backspace_ | i got better shit to do with my time |
| 06:13.21 | jm_ | starmax: ls? |
| 06:13.21 | backspace_ | thanks to you all for trying to help |
| 06:13.26 | backspace_ | much appreciated |
| 06:13.38 | starmax | i tried apt-cache search blabla |
| 06:13.46 | starmax | but it search locally :/ |
| 06:13.56 | jm_ | well doh |
| 06:14.03 | Wyzard | starmax: apt-get update, and then apt-cache search |
| 06:14.18 | starmax | oh |
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| 06:16.05 | wishie | pick me. i want to compile everything! i want to waste my time! :P |
| 06:16.13 | internat | ppft.. zif moce from debian to gentoo thats just wrong |
| 06:16.44 | Rizzer | emacs question: how can I get emacs to recognise scroll events (i.e how can I use a mouse wheel with it) ? |
| 06:16.45 | Jebediah | lool, that's like ditching your bike to walk to save time |
| 06:16.57 | wishie | heh |
| 06:17.05 | jm_ | Rizzer: load the script for it |
| 06:17.18 | Jebediah | O well, as long as it's *nix |
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| 06:17.28 | wiread | Hey Guys, have you tried windows lately? |
| 06:17.31 | Rizzer | jm_: where's the script? |
| 06:17.45 | Wyzard | Rizzer: M-x mouse-wheel-mode |
| 06:17.47 | jm_ | Rizzer: it's available by default, you don't need to where about its location |
| 06:17.53 | jm_ | Rizzer: (mwheel-install) |
| 06:17.53 | Wyzard | Rizzer: or, (mouse-wheel-mode t) in ~/.emacs |
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| 06:18.20 | Rizzer | got it, thanks Wyzard and jm_ |
| 06:18.38 | jm_ | to where? to worry ;) |
| 06:19.05 | blahdeblah | How can i get around "The rivafb driver conflicts with the NVIDIA driver" when building from nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 06:19.34 | Wyzard | Rizzer: (mwheel-install) seems to be a the cleaner way to do it... http://www.cs.ucf.edu/~cmillward/dotemacs.html has an example |
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| 06:20.08 | KodeK | jm_, so, that's saying execute it every 2 minutes, right? |
| 06:20.19 | Withdraw | anyone know what i have to add to my kernel to get my vmware machine to see its ethernet card? |
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| 06:20.34 | cmihai | vmwareconfig.pl Withdraw |
| 06:20.45 | jm_ | KodeK: no! |
| 06:20.49 | Wyzard | Withdraw: Do you mean the kernel running within the VM? |
| 06:20.50 | KodeK | jm_, ??? |
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| 06:20.55 | jm_ | KodeK: !!! |
| 06:20.57 | KodeK | Hah |
| 06:20.57 | cmihai | vmware-config.pl -> run that... It's going to compile the modules. |
| 06:21.06 | Wyzard | Withdraw: or the "host" OS? |
| 06:21.28 | wiread | Withdraw: I think you'll probably need your kernel headers for that as well |
| 06:21.31 | Withdraw | yeah i upgraded to the linux-2.4.29 kernel and the eth doesnt work |
| 06:21.38 | KodeK | jm_ OOOOHH :) |
| 06:21.42 | KodeK | jm_ at x:02 |
| 06:21.43 | KodeK | :) |
| 06:21.45 | KodeK | my bad |
| 06:22.00 | jm_ | KodeK: right |
| 06:22.01 | KodeK | jm_, funny, cause I get the emails at x:03 |
| 06:22.02 | KodeK | :) |
| 06:22.11 | thorium376071 | does anyone know how to switch from using regular dialogues to a gnome front end for stuff like loki installers? I remember selecting normal dialogues somewhere during my system setup but I'm lost now |
| 06:22.19 | Withdraw | Wyzard, i think i just have to enable whatever driver it uses in the kernel config |
| 06:22.26 | Wyzard | Withdraw: On the host OS, you need to run vmware-config as cmihai said... within the VM, the virtual network card is a pcnet32, so you need to "modprobe pcnet32" |
| 06:22.44 | Withdraw | ill try that |
| 06:22.48 | cmihai | Either that, or install the vmware tools in the vm. |
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| 06:22.52 | Wyzard | Withdraw: You don't need to compile a custom kernel to get pcnet32 support |
| 06:23.04 | Withdraw | wait... no i mean i have linux running as a guest |
| 06:23.07 | Frozen-Solid | now i'm getting even MORE dependency errors |
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| 06:23.20 | cmihai | Withdraw: then do as vmware tells you, and install the vmware tools. It's documented. |
| 06:23.22 | Withdraw | and the guest (linux) doesnt see the eth |
| 06:23.23 | jm_ | KodeK: you get emails when the job stops executing |
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| 06:23.24 | Wyzard | Withdraw: OK, then VMware is already running and vmware-config.pl is not an issue |
| 06:23.30 | Jebediah | hails Klowner |
| 06:23.33 | Withdraw | ok |
| 06:23.44 | Rizzer | Wyzard: OK I'll work with (mwheel-install). Both of them slow down start up noticeably, sadly. I'll have to see if I can put up with that :) |
| 06:23.55 | Withdraw | yeah vmware is running in wiindows |
| 06:24.09 | Withdraw | and linux is running as a guest in it |
| 06:24.14 | Wyzard | Withdraw: Installing VMware Tools would probably handle it, but "modprobe pcnet32" will work too (and I'd tend to trust the kernel's own driver for it rather than whatever VMware Tools puts there) |
| 06:24.19 | jm_ | Rizzer: they do? I haven't noticed it at all when I was messing with it |
| 06:24.30 | Withdraw | yeah thats what i was thinking |
| 06:25.26 | Withdraw | Wyzard it says i dont have that module |
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| 06:25.59 | cmihai | So just install the vmwaretools. It's in vmware's menu. It's documented in the help. There's more than one reason to installthe tools anyway. |
| 06:26.05 | Wyzard | Withdraw: Are you using a precompiled Debian kernel, or a custom-compiled one? |
| 06:26.09 | Rizzer | jm_: hmm, maybe it's just the document I'm loading. Seems to be slow without the mouse wheel too. I guess I just didn't notice before. |
| 06:26.19 | SDFH_Linux | what does the businesscard version of the cd install include? |
| 06:26.40 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Just the installer, nothing else... everything, including the base system, is downloaded during installation |
| 06:26.42 | cmihai | The installer... |
| 06:26.47 | Withdraw | Wyzard, i trying to compile and run the linux-2.4.29 kernel |
| 06:26.55 | Withdraw | which is new |
| 06:27.05 | Withdraw | "new" |
| 06:27.06 | Wyzard | Withdraw: If you're compiling a custom kernel, you probably just left pcnet32 out of it |
| 06:27.06 | SDFH_Linux | so its basically the same as the netinstall? |
| 06:27.20 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: netinst contains the base system, so it doesn't have to be downloaded during installation |
| 06:27.39 | SDFH_Linux | ah i c |
| 06:27.40 | Wyzard | Withdraw: Do you really need to compile a custom 2.4.29, instead of just using a precompiled kernel package? |
| 06:27.46 | thorium376071 | anyone know how to switch from using regular dialogues to a gnome front end for stuff like loki installers? I remember selecting normal dialogues somewhere during my system setup but I'm lost now, I'm a big noob :P, need help |
| 06:27.56 | Withdraw | Wyzard, is it AMD LANCE and PCnet (AT1500 and NE2100) support |
| 06:28.12 | Withdraw | yeah it wasnt enabled |
| 06:28.13 | Wyzard | Withdraw: No, I think that's an old ISA card... look under the PCI section |
| 06:28.27 | Wyzard | Withdraw: But you really don't need to compile a new kernel |
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| 06:28.46 | Withdraw | i think i need to to get loop-aes running |
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| 06:29.06 | Withdraw | Wyzard the ethenret was working before i compield this new kernel |
| 06:29.16 | liable | thorium376071: dplg-reconfigure debconf |
| 06:29.20 | dk0r_ | how might one enable cntrl+clicking on debian ppc? |
| 06:29.23 | liable | dpkg |
| 06:29.26 | Withdraw | is it AMD PCnet PCI support |
| 06:29.31 | Wyzard | Withdraw: I don't know about loop-aes, but dm-crypt (which serves a similar purpose) will work with the precompiled 2.6 kernels, and probably the 2.4 as well |
| 06:29.38 | Wyzard | Withdraw: Yes, I think that's it |
| 06:29.52 | Isnor | My computer refuses to boot anything but windows, I have my bios set to boot from the CD, but it just sits there and blinks, then goes to windows. |
| 06:29.52 | Withdraw | where do i get precompield kernels? |
| 06:30.03 | thorium376071 | sweet, thanks liable :D |
| 06:30.06 | Wyzard | Withdraw: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 (or 2.4 if you prefer) |
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| 06:30.32 | liable | Withdraw: um, from the debian repo's |
| 06:30.40 | Wyzard | Withdraw: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 (or 686 or k7, whatever) |
| 06:30.44 | Withdraw | Wyzard how does it know what hardware to compile for? |
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| 06:31.08 | Wyzard | Withdraw: Drivers for pretty much everything (except really esoteric stuff) are included as modules |
| 06:31.17 | Withdraw | i c |
| 06:31.32 | concept10 | I keep getting hits on my firewall from Bittorrent and Gnutella and I havent used bittorrent in days, whats the problem? |
| 06:31.50 | Wyzard | Withdraw: You already have a precompiled kernel installed if you're running sarge... probably kernel-image-2.4-386 |
| 06:31.53 | benjamindees | concept10, nothing, that's normal |
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| 06:32.13 | Withdraw | ok im gonna reboot and see if this works |
| 06:32.17 | concept10 | benjamindees, people still trying to leach from me? |
| 06:32.39 | Wyzard | Withdraw: The 2.6 ones have all the cryptoapi stuff and I'm pretty sure they have dm-crypt too... I'm less sure about 2.4 because I don't think cryptoapi is a standard part of the 2.4 series |
| 06:33.17 | Withdraw | i have no idea what im going w/ loop-aes im just copying what they did in this doc |
| 06:33.18 | Withdraw | http://ldp.hughesjr.com/HOWTO/html_single/Encrypted-Root-Filesystem-HOWTO/ |
| 06:33.24 | Withdraw | *doing |
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| 06:34.08 | Wyzard | Withdraw: IMO, you'd be better off installing a precompiled 2.6 kernel and cryptsetup, and using cryptsetup's facilities for encrypted root |
| 06:34.37 | Wyzard | Withdraw: /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/CryptoRoot.HowTo once you have cryptsetup installed |
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| 06:35.04 | Withdraw | Wyzard i heard that loop-aes is faster |
| 06:35.06 | Withdraw | si that true |
| 06:35.07 | Isnor | Has anyone had a problem, where the disc did not boot? |
| 06:35.10 | Withdraw | *is |
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| 06:35.30 | Wyzard | Withdraw: I haven't heard anything about that, but I'd be surprised if the difference was anything more than minor |
| 06:35.51 | d03boy | how can I include the xchat auth program into xchat when I install using apt-get? this is really pissing me off |
| 06:36.19 | Withdraw | ok ill look into cryptroot |
| 06:36.25 | Wyzard | Withdraw: The dm-crypt approach has the advantage of being done entirely with standard kernel facilities, so you don't need a specially-patched and custom-compiled kernel |
| 06:36.34 | d03boy | nevermind, wtf is going on |
| 06:36.34 | Overand | Does blootbot not work with mysql 4? |
| 06:36.53 | Withdraw | Wyzard, nice that fixed my ethernet problem |
| 06:37.01 | Wyzard | cool |
| 06:37.14 | VIPER^|^ | guys i need help setting up my vga |
| 06:37.26 | Withdraw | thans |
| 06:37.29 | Withdraw | *thanks |
| 06:37.41 | mykhi | anyone updated system (unstable) in last 2 days? |
| 06:38.17 | Wyzard | Withdraw: If you're concerned about performance, you should make sure to install the -686 or -k7 (depending on what processor you have) version of the kernel package, rather than the -386 version |
| 06:38.35 | Frozen-Solid | okay... how can i mount my cd-rom drive from one box, so that it's accessable on another box? |
| 06:38.48 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: NFS or Samba |
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| 06:39.24 | Frozen-Solid | Wyzard: well, as in from the command line -- cuz i have no x server 8) |
| 06:39.33 | Withdraw | Wyzard after i figure out how it works im gonna install it on my centrimo laptop |
| 06:39.42 | Frozen-Solid | so everything i generally know how to do, is moved, or different, and i'mc onfused :( |
| 06:39.45 | Withdraw | which one should i use? |
| 06:39.59 | Wyzard | Withdraw: For an Intel processor, use -686 |
| 06:40.04 | Wyzard | Withdraw: -k7 is the Athlon |
| 06:40.10 | Withdraw | ok kewl thanks again |
| 06:40.10 | benjamindees | Frozen-Solid, you need a fi |
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| 06:40.17 | Wyzard | Withdraw: so you want kernel-image-2.6-686, I guess |
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| 06:40.34 | Frozen-Solid | benjamindees: huh. o_0 |
| 06:40.52 | benjamindees | Frozen-Solid, you need a file server, something like samba or nfs |
| 06:40.54 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Well, neither NFS nor Samba have anything to do with X, but they're not trivial to configure either |
| 06:41.20 | Frozen-Solid | well i know i have at least samba on here, cuz this tutorial shows how to mount a windows share |
| 06:41.26 | Frozen-Solid | but i'm not running windows :( |
| 06:42.15 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Mounting Windows shares doesn't actually involve samba... that's client-side stuff which is done by the kernel |
| 06:42.16 | dk0r_ | how might one enable cntrl+clicking on debian ppc? |
| 06:42.38 | Coke | Wyzard: you don't think the kernel uses Samba to do it? |
| 06:42.40 | sk2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.50 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: Sharing stuff from your Linux box requires the server app, Samba |
| 06:42.55 | Coke | sk2: xorg is a part of xfce these days? |
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| 06:43.04 | Wyzard | Coke: Samba is a user-space app. The kernel can't use it. |
| 06:43.22 | Frozen-Solid | Wyzard: i got samba and stuff running on this box as far as i know |
| 06:43.24 | Coke | Wyzard: hm. strange, because I see kernel drivers for Samba right here. |
| 06:43.29 | Frozen-Solid | i just need to know how to mount it on my other box |
| 06:43.32 | sk2 | Coke: no but I need to install xorg first |
| 06:43.54 | Wyzard | Coke: You see a kernel driver for the SMB protocol, maybe. Samba is a particular implementation of an SMB server. |
| 06:44.27 | Wyzard | Coke: Samba is an SMB server, and the kernel has an SMB client driver |
| 06:44.42 | Coke | Wyzard: I short smb was short for samba |
| 06:44.47 | Coke | I thought |
| 06:44.53 | Maliuta | smeg loads of stuff in unstable is broken atm with all the lib changes to handle xorg - pissing me off as I don't see the need for xorg |
| 06:45.09 | Frozen-Solid | so what do i need to do on THIS box to share my cd-drive to my other box, or what do i need to do to my other box to mount the cd-drive from this box |
| 06:45.09 | Wyzard | Coke: SMB is short for "Server Message Block"... Samba is just a clever name that was chosen because it sounds similar to SMB |
| 06:45.27 | Wyzard | Coke: SMB is deprecated in favor of CIFS (Common Internet File System), btw |
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| 06:45.49 | Maliuta | Coke: samba was chosen as the name because it is the only word with the letters "smb" in it |
| 06:46.07 | Maliuta | and samba 3 does cifs aswell |
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| 06:46.33 | Coke | Oh well, I ain't using SMB nor Samba no more anyways. |
| 06:47.06 | Coke | Ever! Muahahaha! |
| 06:47.16 | Maliuta | coke: use nfs :) |
| 06:47.20 | Coke | AFS |
| 06:47.45 | Wyzard | Well, CIFS has "Unix extensions" which apparently provide ownership and permissions support for shared files, and the kernel has a CIFS client, so Samba could be useful in that capacity |
| 06:47.47 | Coke | NFS has no security to speak of, AFS is highly intergrated with Kerberos that we use for authentication here. |
| 06:48.01 | torc | hello. i haven powerpc powerbook on which i want to install debian. but i need to backup all the data there for a while. is it possible to boot debian installer and do something like dd if=hard_drive of=somefileonasmbshare ? |
| 06:48.13 | Wyzard | AFS requires a special partitioning setup on the server so you can't straightforwardly just access your files locally, IIRC |
| 06:48.45 | billatq | AFS really is a pain to set up as well |
| 06:48.55 | billatq | I've done it a few times, but I rather disliked it |
| 06:48.58 | Coke | Wyzard: I did not understand that sentence. Local files can be accessed locally even if you use AFS. |
| 06:49.02 | Wyzard | I don't think there really are any good, lightweight, secure network filesystems |
| 06:49.10 | Coke | Wyzard: that's true. |
| 06:49.17 | Coke | AFS isn't light-weight, but it is secure. |
| 06:49.26 | billatq | Yeah, I ended up settling on SMB/CIFS just because it was more secure than the other options |
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| 06:49.31 | Wyzard | Coke: The files exported by the AFS server aren't in a normal mountpoint, though |
| 06:49.31 | billatq | And easier to configure |
| 06:49.49 | Frozen-Solid | okay so i have smbclient running on the other box now.... so what do i need to do to mount a cd-rom from another box? |
| 06:49.55 | Coke | billatq: well, information on AFS was easier to come by than SMB IMHO. |
| 06:50.05 | Coke | and OpenAFS was not that difficult to setup either. |
| 06:50.13 | billatq | Coke: Well, certainly, but that doesn't make it less complicated to setup and administer |
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| 06:50.21 | billatq | Coke: In an environment with real kerberos and such? |
| 06:50.27 | Coke | and the client just involved loading a kernel module. |
| 06:50.31 | Coke | no configuring at all |
| 06:50.34 | billatq | It's a lot easier if you're using kaserver, but eh |
| 06:50.36 | Coke | billatq: yep |
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| 06:51.01 | billatq | I needed to deploy it in an existing LDAP/Kerberos environment |
| 06:51.03 | Coke | billatq: I don't regard the Kerberos installation as part of AFS since we use Kerberos anyway. |
| 06:51.17 | Coke | billatq: yeah, if you already have that the rest is pretty easy. |
| 06:51.20 | billatq | And getting it to work properly with a single signon was a nightmare |
| 06:51.35 | Coke | hm. ok. works nice here for both GNU, BSD, OSX and Windows. |
| 06:52.12 | billatq | Eh, then there are all those iffy things such as with acls only applying to directories |
| 06:52.26 | billatq | And sure you can get it to work on all those things, but it's tricky to get the tickets working properly on windows as well |
| 06:52.53 | Coke | We still haven't implemented the GSS-API ticket forwarding system to authenticate for HTTP-services, so you have to sign on for a pubcookie. But once GSS is in place all clients will signon once and be authenticated everywhere. |
| 06:53.03 | simonrvn_ | luckily i haven't had to deal with winbloze kerby tickets, but, mock os 9 tickets, i haven't figured out yet =) |
| 06:53.20 | billatq | Yeah, I was using MIT kerberos |
| 06:53.26 | Coke | heimdal |
| 06:53.34 | simonrvn_ | heimdal here, works better with ldap |
| 06:53.36 | billatq | Heimdal I think makes it a bit easier for some of that stuff |
| 06:54.11 | simonrvn_ | have a patch here that does SUBTREE searches, instead of BASE |
| 06:54.24 | Coke | I'd rather have free, stable and secure systems give me a little bit of configuration time to avoid all the hazzle that comes with non-free stuff. |
| 06:54.32 | simonrvn_ | (so it actually works ;), ; ported from 0.7 |
| 06:54.46 | torc | does debian installer include support for mounting smb fs? |
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| 06:55.01 | billatq | Coke: What are you referring to? |
| 06:55.05 | simonrvn_ | Cyis did the porting. Cyis: thanks :) |
| 06:55.46 | benjamindees | Frozen-Solid, if you're just trying to copy the files from the cd, then setup a ftp server, proftpd or something |
| 06:55.51 | Coke | billatq: why adapt BSD and GNU to Windows when you can adapt Windows to BSD and GNU? |
| 06:56.00 | simonrvn_ | Coke, :) |
| 06:56.16 | Frozen-Solid | benjamindees: i dont want to just copy files... i actually want to run a file from the cd-rom |
| 06:56.22 | billatq | Coke: I thought hosting it on AFS on Linux /was/ doing that very thing :) |
| 06:56.32 | benjamindees | Frozen-Solid, a program? |
| 06:56.36 | simonrvn_ | *test* |
| 06:56.47 | Frozen-Solid | uh. yeah a scummvm app (curse of monkey island) |
| 06:56.48 | billatq | (I was referring to using samba for the file services earlier as well) |
| 06:56.53 | Coke | billatq: exactly, instead of adapting it by hosting using Samba. |
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| 06:57.09 | benjamindees | Frozen-Solid, okay, then you need to setup a network block device |
| 06:57.10 | Coke | simonrvn_: Test failed: insufficient arguments |
| 06:57.11 | billatq | Coke: Mainly because most of the solutions suck. I'd really like NFSv4 |
| 06:57.25 | Coke | billatq: does it intergrate well with Kerberos 5? |
| 06:57.30 | simonrvn | succeeded here ;) |
| 06:57.34 | billatq | Coke: Nope, but it does integrate well with LDAP |
| 06:57.36 | Coke | billatq: and does it do encrypted transfers? |
| 06:57.39 | Wyzard | benjamindees: I was thinking of that approach, but I think it'd be simpler to just do a Samba mount |
| 06:57.44 | billatq | And it does do encrypted transfers |
| 06:58.15 | Wyzard | hmm, that sounds promising |
| 06:58.19 | Frozen-Solid | basically: i have curse of monkey island, and day of the tentacle, and several scummvm games on cd... i want ot put the cd in my drive, and haev my gamecube running read the file from my mandrake box |
| 06:58.35 | benjamindees | Wyzard, if it's a game, then just exporting the files will have... problems. NBD may not even work |
| 06:58.48 | Wyzard | benjamindees: Why's that? |
| 06:58.48 | Frozen-Solid | it just needs to be able to read a file |
| 06:58.50 | Frozen-Solid | not really run it or anything |
| 06:58.52 | resiak | With ScummVM it should Just Work. |
| 06:58.56 | Frozen-Solid | since it's scumm. |
| 06:59.02 | benjamindees | Wyzard, copy protection |
| 06:59.08 | Coke | billatq: NFSv3 was a bitch to setup. so unintuitive that if you didn't have the step-by-step HOW-TO's available you'd never be able to guess how to set it up. |
| 06:59.17 | Frozen-Solid | ben: no, scumm just reads the file -- there is no copy protection |
| 06:59.24 | Wyzard | benjamindees: LucasArts SCUMM games are not copy-protected :-) |
| 06:59.34 | resiak | !tell Frozen-Solid -about nicktab |
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| 06:59.42 | Frozen-Solid | ... i know about nicktab |
| 06:59.54 | resiak | Wyzard: Untrue, actually, but true in the sense of unreadable CDs. |
| 06:59.57 | billatq | Coke: More intuitive than OpenAFS :) |
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| 07:00.00 | luckyan | what's command to install and *.deb ? |
| 07:00.05 | simonrvn | billatq: tell me about it... |
| 07:00.11 | resiak | Frozen-Solid: Then why do you keep calling benjamindees ben ? |
| 07:00.11 | Coke | Lucas Arts even donated a game because they like ScummVM; Beneath a steel sky. It's good too. |
| 07:00.15 | resiak | luckyan: man dpkg |
| 07:00.17 | Frozen-Solid | that's the first time i've done it |
| 07:00.22 | billatq | Who's seriously going to know offhand not to use something like reiser or ext3 for their afs cache partition? |
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| 07:00.35 | simonrvn | i still haven't figured out openafs yet... |
| 07:00.37 | resiak | Frozen-Solid: Good point. My bad. I'm only trying to help :) |
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| 07:00.53 | Wyzard | resiak: Well, my brother's played Curse of Monkey Island in ScummVM just fine without having to deal with any sort of protection |
| 07:00.53 | billatq | And that's not the kind of error that pops out at you immediately--it'll corrupt your data over time if you're not careful |
| 07:01.05 | Frozen-Solid | so yeah. i just need to samba mount /mount/cdrom from my linux box to the linux distro running on my cube |
| 07:01.05 | jm_ | Wyzard: indeed, it works just fine |
| 07:01.10 | Frozen-Solid | i just have no idea how to mount it like that |
| 07:01.13 | benjamindees | okay, I give up, samba server :( |
| 07:01.17 | Coke | billatq: I disagree, I'd say they have the same level of bullshit. |
| 07:01.47 | billatq | Coke: But if NFS decides to act up, you don't lose your volumes and have to salvage them :) |
| 07:02.00 | billatq | Which is an annoying and time consuming process |
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| 07:02.18 | Coke | billatq: never had that problem here that I know of. |
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| 07:02.35 | billatq | Coke: If you do, you're going to hate AFS for a week or so ;) |
| 07:03.25 | Coke | billatq: the things I haven't hated at one time or another are few. |
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| 07:04.05 | billatq | Coke: Agreed, but it takes much more time to fix than other systems due to its complexity, from what I've seen |
| 07:04.08 | Frozen-Solid | Wyzard: so how do i do a samba share via linux? like i said the only thing i know how to do is mount a windows share ... i've never had to share my linux files outside of ssh before |
| 07:04.17 | fooz | billatq, ext3 should be supported (for OpenAFS, at least) |
| 07:04.25 | billatq | There's a guy that actually worked on AFS for Transarc that's upstairs a floor though :) |
| 07:04.28 | resiak | Wyzard: zless /usr/share/doc/scummvm/README.gz and read section 3.1 :) |
| 07:04.42 | billatq | fooz: Depends on what you're using it for--I believe it's okay for volume partitions, but not for cache partitions |
| 07:04.46 | Coke | billatq: NFS was made for LAN-usage, AFS had other requierments, like mass user sharing on the Internet. |
| 07:05.01 | billatq | Yup and unified namespaces and such |
| 07:05.02 | Coke | billatq: I'd like to see a network with 30,000+ clients using NFS over extranet. |
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| 07:05.43 | billatq | Coke: I didn't say that it wasn't suited for that application, just that it's a pain in the arse to configure and when it breaks, it breaks hard. It's also difficult to integrate into existing single-signon systems |
| 07:05.44 | fooz | AFS is some of the most fun I've ever had with unix |
| 07:05.56 | Coke | billatq: kerberos? |
| 07:06.17 | karsten | fooz: You need a better set of browser bookmarks. |
| 07:06.32 | billatq | Coke: Yes. Kerberos. I spent a good while getting it to work properly because it didn't want to do V5 authentication properly |
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| 07:06.43 | Coke | billatq: I use kinit _once_ and that's all I need. |
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| 07:06.45 | billatq | And there's no decent documentation anywhere since IBM open sourced it |
| 07:06.51 | fooz | i built a custom linux distro with everything LDAP, Kerberos 4/5 and AFS enabled |
| 07:06.56 | fooz | and ran a cell for a while |
| 07:07.00 | Coke | billatq: and when GSS is implemented here kinit will work for all our web applications as well. |
| 07:07.01 | simonrvn | fucking hell, i'd like to see some docs then, if you thought so, 'cause i haven't been able to get it working beyond having the *servers start up |
| 07:07.05 | billatq | Coke: Sure, in theory that works, but it didn't in my installation and rquired some weird settings |
| 07:07.24 | billatq | *required |
| 07:07.29 | Coke | billatq: in "theory"? :) we've had that setup here for quite some time now. |
| 07:07.48 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:07.49 | billatq | Coke: Yes, I got the bloody thing to work, but it didn't out of the box. |
| 07:08.02 | fooz | i built everything myself though -- |
| 07:08.05 | Coke | however, we DO have an entire floor of people who works with those sort of things and a small office with people who work solely on security issues. |
| 07:08.13 | simonrvn | i didn't expect 'out of the box' for afs |
| 07:08.29 | billatq | simonrvn: Well, that's what he's claiming to some degree or another, which I don't believe |
| 07:08.53 | fooz | i don't know if I'd try to install it for a place I worked for though |
| 07:09.20 | Coke | billatq: no, I didn't claim that. I said that the time spent on configuring AFS was worth it over using SMB/CIFS |
| 07:09.46 | fooz | simonrvn, do you need help? |
| 07:09.53 | Coke | billatq: in any case, you wouldn't happen to know if there's a project site for NFS? |
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| 07:10.27 | Coke | I'd like to see what kind of plans they have to use Kerberos. I liked many things with NFS. |
| 07:10.29 | simonrvn | fooz: would be nice. i'm not working on it right now, but i'll let you know is that ok with you? |
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| 07:10.47 | billatq | Coke: It's probably in the same place where the good AFS documentation is at ;) |
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| 07:10.58 | simonrvn | coda looks interesting too |
| 07:11.01 | Radius_Vector | Hi, how can I get xine to play real media files (.rm etc) |
| 07:11.08 | tarzeau | does /etc/cron.daily/lprng also give you guys Init_tempfile: bad tempdir '/var/spool/lpd/%P' |
| 07:11.25 | fooz | simonrvn, ok. i haven't used AFS in a long time so I don't remember much, but i'm good at going through docs so let me know :) |
| 07:11.34 | gaul | HAI |
| 07:11.36 | simonrvn | fooz: thanks, dude |
| 07:11.48 | billatq | That said, it's trivial to set up NFSv3, it's documented decently well in the man pages |
| 07:12.23 | simonrvn | SSO is my target goal too ;) |
| 07:12.25 | billatq | You just set up /etc/exports and then start the service |
| 07:12.34 | simonrvn | v4 + GSSAPI |
| 07:12.41 | simonrvn | however.... |
| 07:12.41 | jm_ | tarzeau: not me, I don't use lprng ;P |
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| 07:13.13 | fooz | what bugged me about AFS was the frailty of the client (and its 500K kernel module) |
| 07:13.16 | tarzeau | jm_: what could that message mean, and how could i fix it? |
| 07:13.32 | billatq | NFSv4 project site is here: http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/ |
| 07:13.35 | fooz | it's a shame that arla is dead and the kernel's included mini AFS client is useless |
| 07:13.41 | jm_ | tarzeau: it looks like it should be replacing %P with something, but doesn't - or maybe it has to be %p |
| 07:13.58 | Rucas | ohhhhhh man im tired |
| 07:14.20 | Rucas | just finished putting my car back together |
| 07:14.30 | fooz | Rucas, what kind of car? |
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| 07:14.43 | Rucas | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor |
| 07:14.47 | fooz | heheh |
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| 07:15.11 | fooz | if my radiator arrives tomorrow i'll be tearing mine apart |
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| 07:15.17 | jm_ | tarzeau: nothing about cron in BTS |
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| 07:15.35 | tarzeau | jm_: yes, only 136012 ,but not the same problem |
| 07:15.49 | Rucas | my intake manifold has a crossover that coolant flows through and it exploded and soaked my alternator in radiator fluid, killing it |
| 07:15.49 | jm_ | tarzeau: yeah |
| 07:16.05 | Rucas | i just finished replacing the alternator and manifold |
| 07:16.07 | fooz | Rucas, ouch |
| 07:16.15 | Rucas | ford engineering for you |
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| 07:16.28 | tarzeau | jm_: could it have anything to do with a lock? |
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| 07:16.39 | tarzeau | + grep -q -v -E 'Warning - owner/group of ./var/lock. are 0/0, not 7/7|Warning - permissions of ./var/lock. are 041777, not 042700|Warning - LPD Lockfile .* does not exist!' |
| 07:16.43 | tarzeau | i get this when i run it with -x |
| 07:17.01 | jm_ | tarzeau: that just means ignore these lines |
| 07:17.16 | Radius_Vector | Umm, how can I get xine to play real media? |
| 07:17.28 | Rucas | 2 weeks ago my rear differential decided it was a good time to dump out all the fluid in the middle of the road, but as a ford owner i keep 5qt of motor oil and 2qt of gear oil, full ratchet set, breaker bars, RTV, 3 gallons of coolant, and a 5lb sledge in my trunk |
| 07:17.33 | tarzeau | jm_: when i say cron i get: cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2272: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 07:17.44 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: you can't imho |
| 07:17.54 | Rucas | i'm not exaggerating either |
| 07:17.55 | fooz | i should check the coolant lines going over my alternator.. there's lots of small ones on my car (miata) |
| 07:17.59 | yazid-work | Rucas: ....5lb sledge?! |
| 07:18.00 | benjamindees | Radius_Vector, don't think you can, there's realplayer though |
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| 07:18.01 | jm_ | tarzeau: I would submit a bug, this may be something related to locking |
| 07:18.07 | fooz | Rucas, ehehe.. well.. as a crown vic driver.. you can fit all that in your trunk :) |
| 07:18.14 | Rucas | yazid-work: lovingly referred to as the "ford tool" |
| 07:18.16 | fooz | Rucas, and still fit a few bodies |
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| 07:18.17 | dondek | i'm using debian sid and i met a problem in configuring exim4. after configuring exim4, dpkg-reconfigure prints sample config file, but i don't know how i can exit normally without any problem. if i input ctrl-c, configure process exit abnormally. how can i do? |
| 07:18.18 | tarzeau | jm_: ok thanks |
| 07:18.20 | Radius_Vector | benjamindees: How can I install real player . apt-get install realplayer cant find package |
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| 07:18.21 | Rucas | heh |
| 07:18.22 | Rucas | yeah |
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| 07:19.03 | fooz | Rucas, taurus wagons are huge too, used one of those to carry around my engine, transmission, tools and an engine hoist for a week |
| 07:19.17 | Rucas | i own a ford tortoise |
| 07:19.21 | Rucas | heh |
| 07:19.24 | fooz | i love them |
| 07:19.36 | Rucas | how many trannies have you rebuilt in yours |
| 07:19.44 | fooz | none :D |
| 07:19.48 | Radius_Vector | tarzeau: How can I install realplayer? |
| 07:19.50 | fooz | it's a 1991 with probably over 140k miles on it |
| 07:20.00 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: no idea. it's non-free |
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| 07:20.07 | fooz | probably about time |
| 07:20.09 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: actually you can't if you're not on i386 |
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| 07:20.17 | Radius_Vector | tarzeau: Im on i386 allr ite |
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| 07:20.22 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: i'm not |
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| 07:20.34 | Radius_Vector | tarzeau: what you on? |
| 07:20.40 | Rucas | i always hear horror stories and thought nothing about it until mine died, it was a 94, the previous owner liked to put it in neutral and rev it and then drop it into drive though so i bet that was a factor :) |
| 07:20.49 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: sparc, hppa, powerpc, alpha and mips |
| 07:20.59 | tarzeau | w/in 11 |
| 07:20.59 | simonrvn | this car stuff vaguely annoys me, but i can appreciate and respect the folks that hack on them |
| 07:21.01 | benjamindees | Radius_Vector, www.rea |
| 07:21.05 | steve001hsd | hey all can anyone tell me why my keyboard wont respond during install on my hp latop? |
| 07:21.10 | benjamindees | Radius_Vector, www.real.com/linux |
| 07:21.11 | bemused0 | car haxxoring |
| 07:21.12 | bemused0 | hah |
| 07:21.12 | robbie_ | Hi, I have a networking problem. ifconfig says my ip on eth1 is 192.168.1.102. On the modem connected to eth1, I have NAT (SUA) configured to forward all traffic on all ports from the modem to 192.168.1.102. I have tomcat running on 8080, with rinetd forwarding traffic from port 80 to 8080. remotely accessing my website while specifying port 8080 works, but with port 80 it does not work. locally (through localhost) 80 and 8080 work. |
| 07:21.14 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:21.20 | fooz | working on cars is the same as working on a linux box |
| 07:21.21 | simonrvn | i do it with bikes (bicycles) |
| 07:21.22 | Radius_Vector | benjamindees: I can only find the rpm and the bin |
| 07:21.34 | benjamindees | Radius_Vector, those are the only options |
| 07:21.36 | bemused0 | ya i haxxored my jeep yesterday |
| 07:21.41 | resiak | Radius_Vector: Pull it from Marillat. |
| 07:21.41 | Radius_Vector | benjamindees: I tried debbing the rpm with alien, no use, it says its installed, but i cant find real anywhere |
| 07:21.47 | resiak | !tell Radius_Vector -about marillat |
| 07:21.50 | Rucas | i modded my S-10, i added a tree to the front end |
| 07:21.51 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: debbing an rpm with alien sucks |
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| 07:22.00 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: ever heard of dpkg -L ? |
| 07:22.10 | pax | any snoopy guru around, I purged and removed snoopy, but the sucker is still showing on my logs, just wont go away? |
| 07:22.15 | bemused0 | Radius_Vector, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 07:22.16 | Rucas | hehe not really but it sounded funny in my head |
| 07:22.27 | fooz | a year ago I had no car experience whatsoever |
| 07:22.30 | Radius_Vector | tarzeau: :( no bemused0 : k thx |
| 07:22.33 | Rucas | heh same here |
| 07:22.45 | karsten | deadcat: You're at SF State? |
| 07:22.55 | fooz | got my first car, and done all kinds of crap to it.. kinda out of necessity :D it had 200k miles and burned oil when i bought it |
| 07:22.56 | Radius_Vector | bemused0: the same thing for deb-src? |
| 07:23.10 | Rucas | it's simple once you realize how everything works together and that if you put things back the way they were then it will generally work if it did before |
| 07:23.14 | karsten | fooz: ...and now it smokes weeds? |
| 07:23.14 | Rucas | heh |
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| 07:23.35 | fooz | Rucas, yeah, exactly |
| 07:23.45 | fooz | all you need to work on cars are tools, and good problem solving ability |
| 07:23.49 | bemused0 | Radius_Vector, yessa |
| 07:23.51 | Rucas | my crownvic had gone for years without an oil change apparently, when i first got it i drained the oil and it was all lumpy and just black |
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| 07:24.15 | Rucas | so was the transmission fluid for some reason |
| 07:24.19 | fooz | Rucas, yeah, that's probably how mine was treated before i got it.. 7 owners in 15 years |
| 07:24.23 | Rucas | damn |
| 07:24.23 | d03boy | how can I find out what /dev device my touchpad is? |
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| 07:24.51 | Radius_Vector | d03boy: usually /dev/psaux or /dev/mouse |
| 07:24.59 | fooz | but earlier this year i put in a new (and bigger) engine and transmission from a '94 |
| 07:25.06 | d03boy | thanks |
| 07:25.08 | Rucas | cool |
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| 07:25.16 | Rucas | i'd like to do an engine swap in the crownvic |
| 07:25.20 | fooz | the radiator can't quite handle the load of the new motor, so doing that tomorrow.. 2 cor aluminum racing radiator on the way.. should be nice |
| 07:25.33 | Rucas | not bad, that have an all electric fan setup? |
| 07:25.48 | fooz | yeah.. will pull one of them out, it's for the AC and the AC is dead :) |
| 07:25.54 | Rucas | hehe |
| 07:26.01 | fooz | simonrvn, it's on topic!! i'm gonna put linux on my car! eventually |
| 07:26.15 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:26.29 | Radius_Vector | fooz: Im running linux on my copter |
| 07:27.04 | Rucas | i've had one electric fan and one mechanical on my radiator, ended up going dual electric so i could use a cobra waterpump because the impeller is better designed. i dropped like 20 degrees just from swapping the fans, plus it took a fair load off of my engine |
| 07:27.22 | txsky | help me |
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| 07:27.38 | dondek | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.39 | Rucas | what's the problem |
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| 07:27.59 | simonrvn | let it finish? :) |
| 07:28.13 | Radius_Vector | dondek: are you a developer? |
| 07:28.15 | dondek | yeah. |
| 07:28.23 | dondek | Radius_Vector: yes. |
| 07:28.27 | steve001hsd | can anyone help me with getting my lptop keyboard to respond for the setup of debian |
| 07:28.28 | xDCDx | what's the correct hyphenation of 'misclassification' ? |
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| 07:29.00 | fooz | if anywhere, after mis |
| 07:29.01 | Rucas | xDCDx: don't take my word for it but that seems correct with no hyphen |
| 07:29.06 | blahdeblah | xDCDx: the way you just did it. |
| 07:29.07 | TBBle | I'd speculate mis-classification |
| 07:29.18 | blahdeblah | A while back in here, someone suggested that my DVD performance problems might be due to using OSS instead of ALSA. How can i work out which i'm using, and how can i switch if i'm using the wrong one? |
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| 07:29.34 | simonrvn | lsmod |grep snd- |
| 07:29.40 | TBBle | Oh. Are you asking how to spell it, or where you can sensibly break it with hyphens? |
| 07:30.02 | xDCDx | no no, I mean, possible hyphenations for document adjusting, like: mis-clas-sif-i-ca-tion |
| 07:30.03 | simonrvn | hyphens |
| 07:30.03 | Duelist | Anyone tried to run parted on a recent sid? |
| 07:30.09 | Duelist | I am getting "parted: relocation error: parted: undefined symbol: ped_unit_get_name" |
| 07:30.36 | Rucas | Duelist: file a bug report |
| 07:30.46 | blahdeblah | xDCDx: As a general rule, syllables should start with a consonant, so mis-clas-si-fi-ca-tion |
| 07:30.56 | Rucas | Duelist: i'll try out parted now, haven't used it in ages |
| 07:30.59 | TBBle | xDCDx: In that case, I'd vote only for mis-classification myself. |
| 07:31.28 | blahdeblah | simonrvn: Looks like i'm running OSS - how to change? |
| 07:32.11 | xDCDx | thanks |
| 07:32.19 | blahdeblah | xDCDx: I believe it is also generally accepted practice to prefer prefixes and suffixes for hyphenation and to try not to split the root of the word. |
| 07:32.25 | simonrvn | first do dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, then modprobe -r the oss modules, and insert the alsa ones, fix your /etc/modules if need be |
| 07:32.28 | Coke | billatq: looks like NFS is hosted on SF |
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| 07:32.50 | TBBle | And I think it looks ugly to trail a suffix onto the next line myself. |
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| 07:33.05 | xDCDx | blahdeblah: I see |
| 07:33.12 | blahdeblah | simonrvn: Is linux-sound-base a meta-package? It's not installed on my machine? |
| 07:33.18 | blahdeblah | s/\?$// |
| 07:33.27 | simonrvn | oh, sec |
| 07:33.46 | xDCDx | I'll just replace 'misclassifications' by 'incorrect classifications' :P |
| 07:33.58 | blahdeblah | Good call |
| 07:34.12 | simonrvn | mis- works, possible one at clas- |
| 07:34.39 | simonrvn | ii linux-sound-base 1.0.9b-2 base package for ALSA and OSS sound systems |
| 07:34.58 | simonrvn | this is sid, might not be in etch yet, sorry |
| 07:35.10 | blahdeblah | simonrvn: Looks like i don't even have alsa installed. I've been running sarge for quite a while, so it may be that i've got a lot of historical stuff hanging around |
| 07:35.23 | Duelist | etch is the new one? |
| 07:35.31 | blahdeblah | etch is testing |
| 07:35.34 | Duelist | ah |
| 07:35.54 | Duelist | how many more toy names are left to use? I don't remember there being more than about a dozen |
| 07:35.59 | simonrvn | ah, ok. no, i don't think you'll ever see it in sarge ;) |
| 07:36.03 | tarzeau | jm_: it's reported now. thanks |
| 07:36.23 | blahdeblah | simonrvn: When i install linux-sound-base, it suggests alsa-base; when i start installing alsa-base, it says it will remove linux-sound-base! |
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| 07:36.38 | blahdeblah | Looks like alsa-base might be the preferred one... |
| 07:36.57 | Whisky_ | Anyone know what the default password for "Administrator" is in Horde? |
| 07:37.40 | jm_ | Whisky_: did you read stuff in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> ? |
| 07:37.41 | simonrvn | Replaces: alsa-base (<= 1.0.8-7) Conflicts: alsa-base (<= 1.0.8-7) |
| 07:37.42 | nomed^ | blahdeblah, check the version ... linux-sound-base Conflict: alsa-base (<=?) .. maybe .. |
| 07:38.40 | benjamindees | Whisky_, afaik Debian doesn't have "default passwords" |
| 07:39.31 | benjamindees | oops, thought you meant Hurd... heh |
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| 07:40.08 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 07:40.42 | tarzeau | benjamindees: Hurd has default passwords? |
| 07:40.52 | tarzeau | ah Horde/Hurd |
| 07:41.18 | d03boy | what protocol should a touchpad be using? |
| 07:41.37 | TBBle | The one it's compatible with, I guess. |
| 07:41.37 | simonrvn | try imps2 first |
| 07:41.41 | jm_ | d03boy: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:41.48 | d03boy | ya |
| 07:42.07 | TBBle | Can mdetect work it out? |
| 07:42.33 | jm_ | did you read 2.6 input FAQ? |
| 07:42.35 | d03boy | havent tried it |
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| 07:42.48 | d03boy | jm_, didnt know there was one, i'll check it out... where can I find it? |
| 07:43.01 | jm_ | d03boy: /msg dpkg 2.6 input FAQ |
| 07:43.07 | Kiowas | Im using the unofficial stable amd64 port. According to http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ it has full security support by the debian security team. But apt-get gives me no such file or directory errors from the security.debian.org repository when I try to update. Does anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 07:43.15 | d03boy | ty |
| 07:43.38 | concept10 | Problem: My server box says "CMOS Error" after the initial boot test and it always crashes, anyone have a clue on what this means? Does this mean the BIOS battery is dead? (it doesnt remember settings) |
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| 07:45.03 | benjamindees | concept10, I suppose it could mean the bios is corrupt |
| 07:45.08 | coywolf | can i install grub on a loop device? |
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| 07:48.35 | benjamindees | konqueror |
| 07:48.42 | simonrvn | xterm -e lftp& |
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| 07:51.43 | mufa | hi, is there a debian way to apply patch-o-matic? |
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| 07:53.21 | d3s | hello where can I change the default font used by X? i;m using sarge vanilla with fluxbox.... no gnome/kde |
| 07:53.38 | jm_ | X doesn't have default font, applications do |
| 07:54.18 | Coke | Is it possible to have a logical AND in regular expressions? |
| 07:54.38 | benjamindees | d3s, check the fluxbox docs perhaps |
| 07:54.45 | jm_ | coke.yes - a.*b|b.*a ;) |
| 07:54.45 | d3s | jm_: i remember setting up the font stuff few years ago. dunno how to do it again. I;m reinstalling to debian sarge |
| 07:54.58 | jm_ | !wayttd d3s |
| 07:54.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, d3s? |
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| 07:55.54 | d3s | fluxbox is fine.. just the applications on X is using this particular font and I want to change it. Fluxbox has already using different font. |
| 07:56.10 | jm_ | what applications? |
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| 07:56.21 | d3s | all applications |
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| 07:56.48 | d3s | the fonts for windows manager, fluxbox menu, etc are fine.. just the applications |
| 07:57.00 | d3s | just say font for firefox |
| 07:57.06 | jm_ | Coke: or just try glark |
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| 07:57.30 | jm_ | you can change it in firefox's preferences - there's also dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig that may ask about it |
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| 07:57.46 | jm_ | which only applies to apps using fontconfig |
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| 07:58.17 | Coke | jm_: it's ok. just wondered if there actualy was some & in regexps. |
| 07:58.44 | jm_ | Coke: well not in the same way as | |
| 07:58.56 | Coke | that sort of sucks. |
| 07:59.05 | Coke | How can you have or, but not and? :) |
| 07:59.14 | d3s | jm_: that's is.. dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig... i guess... |
| 07:59.16 | jm_ | and is sorta default |
| 07:59.32 | jm_ | but it's not what people usually assume about and I guess |
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| 07:59.45 | Coke | jm_: but donkey & monkey & flinkey & stoney will become a very long regexp if written like you suggested. |
| 07:59.52 | jm_ | Coke: indeed |
| 08:00.02 | d3s | jm_: thx... I hope it works... |
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| 08:00.49 | jm_ | blah, I only have 16x-24x CD-RW disc and no drive to burn netinst iso on it |
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| 08:01.52 | jm_ | Coke: actually you can simulate it easier I suppose |
| 08:02.01 | jm_ | wait, no you can't |
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| 08:02.33 | jm_ | maybe you can if {0} works |
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| 08:03.13 | sanxiyn | Beaten by MySQL bug #7851 ugh. |
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| 08:03.36 | jm_ | naah, won't help - I guess one should just use glark for such cases |
| 08:04.17 | Coke | jm_: hm. as usual with technical designs, someone didn't think it through. |
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| 08:06.09 | d3s | jm_: sorry not to ask properly. using dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig doesnot change the font I want to use. Instead using Bistream Vera for my X, can I use another font like from artwiz for example |
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| 08:06.45 | Coke | d3s: problem is that X does not use any fonts |
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| 08:07.51 | d3s | Coke: I have to admit that I have minimal knowledge for this. I read from dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, X is using Bitstream Vera |
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| 08:08.30 | Coke | d3s: X does not use any fonts because X does not decide what graphics to draw, each application decides that. |
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| 08:08.46 | mopatop | Xorg packages, cool |
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| 08:08.57 | Coke | d3s: and since each X application decides what to draw it is up to each application to select a font and rendering method. |
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| 08:09.20 | d3s | Coke: I C |
| 08:09.27 | incorrect | does anyone know of packages of php4 for the apache2 on backports for woody? |
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| 08:09.52 | Coke | d3s: because this was a problem people started building toolkits, like GTK+, Qt, Motif, etc, and they would provide the application developers with the means to draw standard components, including text strings using fonts. |
| 08:10.45 | sanxiyn | And all hail to fontconfig. |
| 08:11.29 | light_punch2 | i did "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/here001" then "mount -o loop /mnt/here001", had some sort of loop error message at the 2nd command |
| 08:11.31 | d3s | Coke: That's more like it. Another layer to define the X will behave including font. Is it? |
| 08:11.35 | Coke | I have no idea what fontconfig does, but I guess it could change stuff like gtkrc and qtrc at the same time. |
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| 08:11.50 | Coke | d3s: I did not understand that sentence. |
| 08:12.06 | Coke | d3s: what defines X are specifications, currentl X11R6 |
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| 08:12.41 | d3s | Coke: So, If I want to change the font, I have to change it from either gtk+, Qt, Motif, etc. right? not change from the X |
| 08:12.50 | sanxiyn | d3s: No, absolutely not. |
| 08:12.54 | nerdy2 | because of what coke says, how you change the fonts applications use depends on what desktop environment you work in, so in gnome for example, you'd go to System -> Preferences -> Fonts |
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| 08:13.01 | sanxiyn | d3s: You change fonts.conf, and all should follow. |
| 08:13.15 | d3s | nerdy2: that's more like it. |
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| 08:13.21 | Coke | sanxiyn: really? have the mad GUI toolkit developers finally settled on one way to do it? |
| 08:13.32 | sanxiyn | Coke: XFT is the answer... |
| 08:13.49 | sanxiyn | Coke: Thanks to Keith Packard for that! |
| 08:13.54 | Coke | sanxiyn: but GTK applications compiled with freetype support ignores XFT |
| 08:14.04 | light_punch2 | mount -o loop debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso /mnt/isox/ |
| 08:14.05 | light_punch2 | ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument |
| 08:14.07 | jm_ | indeed, that only works for fontconfig apps like I said before |
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| 08:14.27 | sanxiyn | Well, all I care use fontconfig, so it's a non-issue to me. |
| 08:14.38 | sanxiyn | (And more will follow, I'm sure.) |
| 08:15.01 | Coke | What's the percentage of X applications in Debian do not link to libraries using non-centric configuration? |
| 08:15.17 | d3s | now, I;m not sure whether i;m using gtk or else.. where should I start to change the font? |
| 08:15.34 | sanxiyn | d3s: You start by reading man fonts.conf. |
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| 08:16.05 | Coke | Is fonts.conf an invention of freedesktop.org? |
| 08:16.09 | Coke | Or is it Debian? |
| 08:16.20 | sanxiyn | Coke: It predates freedesktop.org, but it's not part of it. |
| 08:16.26 | teufel | I'm having some trouble setting up mysql. It always says database server: mysqld...failed failed to connect to server at localhost failed, can't connect to local mysql server through socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock (2) |
| 08:16.28 | sanxiyn | s/not/now/ |
| 08:16.57 | dak | hrmm |
| 08:17.30 | Coke | d3s: If your desktop environment implements support for fonts.conf then that's where you should change it. |
| 08:17.59 | sanxiyn | Coke: Which includes GNOME and KDE. |
| 08:18.20 | Coke | sanxiyn: I should hope so. Otherwise XFCE would be the only one left trying to implement freedesktop.org |
| 08:18.37 | sanxiyn | Coke: As I said, fontconfig predates fd.o... |
| 08:18.41 | Coke | But I don't use any desktop environment so I wouldn't know what they support or not. |
| 08:18.42 | TBBle | teufel: Read the init.d script, go through it step-by-step, and see where it fails? |
| 08:19.07 | Coke | sanxiyn: so does mailcap, yet every desktop environment so far has invented their own crummy ways of dealing with stuff. |
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| 08:19.48 | sanxiyn | Coke: fontconfig did wonder to Korean (I guess, other non-Latin) users of Linux desktop. |
| 08:19.54 | Coke | sanxiyn: freedesktop tries to coordinate the use of already existing technology, but sometimes it seems like they invent the wheel again and again and... |
| 08:19.58 | teufel | TBBle: I guess I don't think I'd know where to look, or even how to fix it when I found something |
| 08:20.06 | sanxiyn | I am very grateful for that. |
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| 08:21.25 | Coke | sanxiyn: well, for a non-desktop user it's all the same. |
| 08:22.35 | sanxiyn | Coke: ? |
| 08:23.10 | sanxiyn | If I understood correctly, fontconfig affects all X antialiased (freetype-using) font renderings. |
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| 08:23.29 | sanxiyn | Worked for me on icewm to be sure. |
| 08:24.51 | light_punch2 | if i have an file.iso on NTFS can i "mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/someplace"? |
| 08:24.57 | jm_ | icewm uses fontocnfig |
| 08:25.51 | osfans | light_punch2, I think you can. |
| 08:25.51 | sanxiyn | jm_: Good. |
| 08:26.41 | light_punch2 | osfans, hm.. my sda1 is NTFS has file.iso in it. but i can't mount it to /mnt/here |
| 08:26.42 | bisquit | What am I doing wrong here... /dev/hd[bfg]1 are all Linux Raid Autodetect... and assigned to /dev/md0 with mdadm. And it says the raid is working and yada yada... but I can't mount it. Get some blah about some superblock or something... any ideas?-) |
| 08:26.56 | sanxiyn | Hm, rrdtool fails to build with GCC 4.0... I wonder why? |
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| 08:27.32 | liable | light_punch2: whats the mount command you are giving? |
| 08:27.59 | light_punch2 | liable, "mount -o loop debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso /mnt/isox/" |
| 08:28.01 | willim_M | hi guys i was just wondering what disk imaging sofware to use? |
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| 08:28.30 | light_punch2 | liable, this is after "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/external_drive" |
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| 08:28.40 | teufel | Does php4 not support mysql 4.1? |
| 08:28.57 | sanxiyn | willim_M: If you mean something like Ghost, you want Partimage. |
| 08:29.00 | light_punch2 | liable, error is "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument" |
| 08:29.24 | sanxiyn | teufel: No it does. |
| 08:29.39 | sanxiyn | teufel: However, Debian's php4-mysql links with MySQL 4.0 client library. |
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| 08:30.00 | crud | i just uninstalled udev then ran MAKEDEV script and everthing is working but xmms i have sound for rythymbox and et. when i try to play a song i get: failed to open pcm device no such filr or directory.alsa is installed and working fine otherwise |
| 08:30.02 | teufel | sanxiyn: weird... so if I'm using php4 from debian it doesn't? |
| 08:30.12 | sanxiyn | teufel: No, it shouldn't matter in most cases. |
| 08:30.37 | teufel | sanxiyn: when I do phpinfo() now when I upgraded to mysql4.1 it doesn't even show that I have mysql running though |
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| 08:31.27 | Coke | sanxiyn: all my applications are run through rxvt so all my applications use a 10x20 fixed font, which is why I don't know/care much about what goes on with desktop themes. |
| 08:31.37 | willim_M | yeah i was looking at partimage is it best to shut down the computer and load it from the system rescue cd |
| 08:31.49 | sanxiyn | teufel: Mine shows "mysql Client API version 4.0.24", but it has no problem talking with MySQL server 4.1.12 which I also installed. |
| 08:32.08 | sanxiyn | Coke: Ah, okay. |
| 08:32.20 | osfans | :( what message does it display? |
| 08:32.22 | d3s | Coke: can't use man fonts.conf .. vi fonts.conf.. but I don't know how to play with it. Can I just use an application to alter what's in fonts.conf? |
| 08:32.22 | crud | is pcm supposed to be in /dev somewhere? |
| 08:32.34 | sanxiyn | I used to use hanterm only, too. Thankfully Hanterm had some good Korean bitmap fonts. |
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| 08:33.08 | liable | light_punch2: try adding the full path, mount -o loop -t iso9660 /mnt/eternal-blah/the/dir/.iso /mnt/wherever |
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| 08:34.36 | teufel | sanxiyn: and it shows that in phpinfo()? |
| 08:34.40 | sanxiyn | teufel: Yes. |
| 08:35.23 | sanxiyn | teufel: Check the end of /etc/php4/$SAPI/php.ini and confirm extension=mysql.so is there. |
| 08:35.28 | teufel | sanxiyn: bah wtf did I do wrong? I just did an aptitude install mysql-server-4.1 and it all came in correctly |
| 08:35.32 | sanxiyn | (Which should be there, if you installed with Debian package) |
| 08:35.48 | sanxiyn | teufel: Perhaps you need to restart Apache. |
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| 08:35.55 | bemused0 | ubuntu hoooo |
| 08:36.02 | teufel | sanxiyn: I did =x |
| 08:36.15 | sanxiyn | teufel: Does php.ini have extension=mysql.so line at the end? |
| 08:36.21 | sanxiyn | (Or anywhere, for that matter?) |
| 08:36.38 | teufel | sanxiyn: one sec, I just tried a restart /shrug |
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| 08:40.13 | teufel | sanxiyn: ok restart didn't change anything, there is a ;extension=mysql.so line in php.ini |
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| 08:40.38 | sanxiyn | teufel: Uncomment it, of course. |
| 08:40.46 | sanxiyn | (And restart) |
| 08:41.03 | sanxiyn | I have no idea why it's commented? |
| 08:41.04 | LuCkYaN | gaim and openoffice can't install .. E: Broken packages |
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| 08:41.12 | sanxiyn | LuCkYaN: Don't use unstable. |
| 08:41.22 | sanxiyn | LuCkYaN: They install fine on testing. |
| 08:41.33 | LuCkYaN | now i can't do downgrade |
| 08:41.39 | sanxiyn | LuCkYaN: Good luck. |
| 08:41.47 | teufel | sanxiyn: then try restarting apache again? |
| 08:41.51 | sanxiyn | teufel: Yes. |
| 08:42.05 | LuCkYaN | so .. only think i can do is to wait :P |
| 08:42.10 | LuCkYaN | thing* |
| 08:42.10 | sanxiyn | teufel: Well, it's pretty much ABC of php module troubleshooting... |
| 08:42.18 | liable | or re-installl |
| 08:42.29 | LuCkYaN | yeap :P |
| 08:42.49 | teufel | sanxiyn: never done php module troubleshooting... but the phpinfo() page still has little mention of mysql |
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| 08:48.09 | daffy-pkf | is it normal that it takes a very long time before gimp prints an image? |
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| 08:48.13 | suppa | hi |
| 08:48.33 | daffy-pkf | the process that manege the printer seems to be started, but nothing is printing |
| 08:48.35 | sanxiyn | daffy-pkf: What are you printing |
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| 08:48.55 | daffy-pkf | sanxiyn> a big image |
| 08:49.01 | sanxiyn | daffy-pkf: Also, other programs beside Gimp print fine? |
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| 08:49.06 | daffy-pkf | sanxiyn> 1024x768 |
| 08:50.02 | daffy-pkf | sanxiyn> yes printings seems to work fine, i joined the process that manage the printer with strace, it seem to print things i don't know where |
| 08:50.33 | daffy-pkf | that's what is shown in a ps ax: "22164 ? S 0:00 parallel:/dev/lp0 9 daffy-pkf (stdin) 1 outputorder=normal number-up=1 numb..." |
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| 08:51.39 | suppa | amule require libwxbase2.4 but it is not installable, there is libwxbase2.4-1 is there a way I can install amule with apt-get ? |
| 08:51.43 | teufel | is there any way to just reinstall mysqld? That is what is messing up mysql 4.0 I think it installed a different version with 4.1 and then when I downgraded it doesn't work now.. <sigh> |
| 08:52.07 | suppa | teufel is devil in deutsch, right? |
| 08:52.10 | daffy-pkf | and strace -p 22164 give me a lot of things like that: "write(4, "EhD**\nS_.hLf56o*CmNObPgO3.c=i?cB"..., 8192) = 8192", does this mean it sends the image to the printer? |
| 08:52.14 | jm_ | of course downgrading packages like that, which may have converted the tables and whatnot to a new format on upgrade, will not work |
| 08:52.25 | teufel | suppa: yeah |
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| 08:53.01 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: it means it successfully wrote 8192 bytes to fd4 - ls -l /proc/22164/fd to see what fd4 is |
| 08:53.03 | sanxiyn | teufel: I don't think there's any problem of 4.0/4.1 issue in your case. |
| 08:53.09 | sanxiyn | (From what you told me) |
| 08:53.37 | sanxiyn | suppa: You've got beaten by unstable's wx transition... |
| 08:54.07 | sanxiyn | libwxbase2.4 is now renamed to libwxbase2.4-1 (incompatible library change, etc.) |
| 08:54.12 | daffy-pkf | jm_> it is /dev/lp0 ... i guess it's ok so |
| 08:54.23 | daffy-pkf | isn't it? |
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| 08:54.26 | teufel | sanxiyn: argh this is so annoying. The only problem it's having is from 'mysqld' though. It doesn't get an error starting mysqld when I set up mysql-server-4.1 but that doesn't work with my php4. Then it doesn't work with mysql-server (version 4.0) which does work with php |
| 08:54.30 | sanxiyn | Same for libwxgtk2.4 -> libwxgtk2.4-1, etc. |
| 08:54.50 | sanxiyn | teufel: ??? |
| 08:54.54 | suppa | sanxiyn what can I do ? I mean 2.4-1 should be mostly compatible, do I need to compile from sources? |
| 08:55.03 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: well it sending something to it |
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| 08:55.12 | sanxiyn | suppa: It may work, it may not. I don't know much about amule. |
| 08:55.24 | sanxiyn | wx2.4 -> wx2.5 broke many programs though. |
| 08:55.45 | daffy-pkf | jm_> ok, but why doesn't it print anything? will it do it only when all the file will be sent? |
| 08:55.55 | sanxiyn | Also, it seems that amule was never part of testing? |
| 08:56.04 | daffy-pkf | jm_> and why is it so slow? |
| 08:56.13 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: I don't know - and yes, you may have to wait for it to send all the data and then it'll start printing |
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| 08:56.31 | daffy-pkf | jm_> ok thanks |
| 08:57.19 | sanxiyn | C++, xorg, xorg-gl, jack, wx, cairo, etc. Interesting time to be on unstable. :( |
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| 08:57.53 | deadcat | sanxiyn: xorg-gl? |
| 08:58.17 | sanxiyn | deadcat: xorg dist-upgrades fine, but anything which used xlibmesa-gl* needs to be rebuilt. |
| 08:58.56 | blahdeblah | Which is the approved module management method for sarge: modprobe.d or modutils? I've always been confused about what i should be editing. |
| 08:58.58 | deadcat | sanxiyn: oh |
| 08:59.21 | daffy-pkf | jm_> and what the "2 -> pipe:[6772696]" means in the "ls -l /proc/22164/fd" ? |
| 08:59.22 | deadcat | sanxiyn: what you mean by rebuild? wait for release? |
| 09:00.01 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: it means it's a pipe, this is normal as it seems it was started as a child process |
| 09:00.20 | jm_ | blahdeblah: it depends on what kernel you use |
| 09:00.26 | daffy-pkf | jm_> yes, but a pipe from/to xhere? |
| 09:00.29 | sanxiyn | deadcat: (oops, I mean xlibmesa-glu) |
| 09:00.29 | blahdeblah | jm_: 2.6 |
| 09:00.30 | daffy-pkf | where |
| 09:00.47 | sanxiyn | deadcat: More on here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 09:00.52 | jm_ | blahdeblah: man modprobe |
| 09:00.52 | deadcat | sanxiyn: also removing nvidia-glx |
| 09:00.57 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: parent process |
| 09:01.10 | daffy-pkf | jm_> hmmm, ok |
| 09:01.14 | sanxiyn | ...which causes any issues you might have with libglu1 or xlibmesa-glu. Those two packages are dead and will be phased out. So any packages still depending on them have to be rebuilt and re-uploaded. |
| 09:01.37 | blahdeblah | jm_: BTW, the point of this is to get ALSA set up, so if there are any better methods to do that, i'd be happy to hear them. :-) |
| 09:01.42 | sanxiyn | Which is now libglu1-xorg. |
| 09:01.57 | mufa | where could I find kernel-source-2.6.9 ? |
| 09:02.12 | jm_ | blahdeblah: man modules ; /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 09:02.18 | sanxiyn | mufa: Why do you need one? |
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| 09:02.35 | mufa | sanxiyn: to test some patches |
| 09:02.38 | jm_ | blahdeblah: although running alsaconf may have taken care of it, did you check this first? |
| 09:02.44 | sanxiyn | !sdn |
| 09:02.44 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
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| 09:03.03 | suppa | bye |
| 09:03.07 | blahdeblah | jm_: I've never used ALSA before - know nothing about alsaconf. Will try that first. |
| 09:03.34 | deadcat | sanxiyn: so if i remove nvidia-glx its still fine right? |
| 09:03.59 | sanxiyn | deadcat: I don't know about them... |
| 09:04.03 | mufa | sandman: thanks |
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| 09:05.19 | Hiruky | hi |
| 09:05.20 | blahdeblah | jm_: is it normal for lsmod to still show snd_pcm_oss and the like? |
| 09:05.29 | sanxiyn | blahdeblah: Yes. |
| 09:05.44 | jm_ | blahdeblah: yes |
| 09:05.47 | blahdeblah | So how do i know whether i'm running ALSA or OSS? |
| 09:05.54 | deadcat | sanxiyn: i'll wait few days maybe |
| 09:06.12 | jm_ | snd- is ALSA |
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| 09:06.26 | blahdeblah | so snd_ is OSS? |
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| 09:06.39 | jm_ | no, snd_ and snd- is the same when it comes to 2.6 |
| 09:06.54 | jm_ | ... and modules |
| 09:07.12 | Hiruky | hi |
| 09:07.23 | Hiruky | I'm having a problem with acpi conflicting with my netowrk |
| 09:07.45 | sanxiyn | You can disable ACPI. |
| 09:07.53 | blahdeblah | jm_: So, am i running ALSA or not? dmesg|grep -i alsa gives nothing, as does lsmod|grep -i alsa |
| 09:07.58 | Hiruky | When I enable acpi in my grub menu.lst *acpi is disabled by default in the kernel* I cannot connect to my network |
| 09:08.02 | jm_ | Hiruky: try booting with pci=noacpi |
| 09:08.07 | jm_ | blahdeblah: yes |
| 09:08.21 | Hiruky | I did |
| 09:08.22 | KNO3Guru | or |
| 09:08.24 | Hiruky | ack |
| 09:08.28 | KNO3Guru | recompile your kernel |
| 09:08.28 | Hiruky | pci=noacpi? |
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| 09:08.35 | KNO3Guru | without acpi support |
| 09:08.36 | Hiruky | that won't make a difference kn0 |
| 09:08.39 | Hiruky | I need acpi |
| 09:08.44 | KNO3Guru | fair enough |
| 09:08.44 | Hiruky | I can disable acpi and it works fine |
| 09:08.53 | Hiruky | Sorry, it's just that I've tried so many things |
| 09:08.54 | jm_ | ok, so ignore my advice then, even though that doesn't disable ACPI |
| 09:09.06 | Hiruky | um? |
| 09:09.17 | Hiruky | ACPI is disabled by default, i'm not ignoring your advice |
| 09:09.20 | daffy-pkf | hmmm, cups tells me the job is finished, but nothing as benn printed |
| 09:09.27 | Hiruky | what does pci=noacpi do? |
| 09:09.55 | sanxiyn | daffy-pkf: Look at the printer queue. |
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| 09:10.19 | daffy-pkf | sanxiyn> lpq |
| 09:10.19 | daffy-pkf | Lexmark-3200 is ready |
| 09:10.19 | daffy-pkf | no entries |
| 09:10.58 | KNO3Guru | i no pci=noacpi stops some conflicts |
| 09:11.01 | KNO3Guru | like with usb |
| 09:11.14 | KNO3Guru | definetly worth a try |
| 09:11.14 | Hiruky | alright |
| 09:11.17 | Hiruky | Thanks |
| 09:11.28 | jm_ | it helps with some (broken) drivers |
| 09:11.30 | Hiruky | I don't mean to sound like i'm ignoring you. |
| 09:11.35 | Hiruky | I just like to know what somethign does ^_^ |
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| 09:14.04 | Hiruky | hmm that didn't seem to fix it |
| 09:14.05 | Hiruky | :( |
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| 09:14.37 | streuner | dpkg acpi |
| 09:14.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 09:14.49 | mufa | sanxiyn: very good the snapshot repository, too bad it doesn't work :( |
| 09:14.58 | sanxiyn | mufa: Too bad. |
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| 09:16.48 | merche | granada |
| 09:17.06 | merche | ol |
| 09:17.11 | merche | ola |
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| 09:17.35 | merche | aki se abl poko no? |
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| 09:17.54 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 09:17.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:18.05 | bahutnoenie | when is unstable c00l again |
| 09:18.13 | bahutnoenie | to get the latest stuff |
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| 09:18.22 | dondelelcaro | if you have to ask that question, never. |
| 09:18.30 | merche | traduce |
| 09:18.48 | bahutnoenie | before, gcc4 abi it was a smoothly I guess |
| 09:18.56 | merche | yes |
| 09:19.09 | dondelelcaro | it's sid; transitions happen all the time |
| 09:19.10 | bahutnoenie | I ran unstable on desktop man |
| 09:19.26 | bahutnoenie | for a year(maybe longer) |
| 09:19.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you xorg on the laptop yet? |
| 09:19.32 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: not yet |
| 09:19.41 | bahutnoenie | everybody is wating a bit more |
| 09:19.47 | bahutnoenie | would be wise :P |
| 09:20.02 | merche | alguien me puede esplicar donde me e metio |
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| 09:20.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: didnt go well for me.. )=, once i use xorg, my box hang when i shutdown/reboot. back to xfree now. but i MergedFB option in X config file (xorg/xfree) allows me to use the vga which is nice. |
| 09:20.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nice |
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| 09:21.13 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I'll probably wait until I'm back home and can afford to have a laptop that is out of commission |
| 09:21.18 | sanxiyn | bahutnoenie: You may run unstable shortly before the release. |
| 09:21.19 | pjn | deadcat: are you the same deadcat from irc.uq.edu.au? |
| 09:21.26 | sanxiyn | bahutnoenie: Except that, no. |
| 09:21.33 | bahutnoenie | does anyone notice this with mplayer to, that it's the audio is faster then the picture withough nvidia? |
| 09:21.52 | dondelelcaro | Hiruky: try #mplayer |
| 09:21.53 | bahutnoenie | unstable will be released? |
| 09:21.56 | KNO3Guru | the audio is faster? |
| 09:22.01 | dondelelcaro | s/hiruky/bahutnoenie/ |
| 09:22.05 | sanxiyn | bahutnoenie: Heh. |
| 09:22.11 | Hiruky | huh? |
| 09:22.12 | sanxiyn | BREAKING NEWS: Sid is released! |
| 09:22.12 | bahutnoenie | yeah man using marriliat packages, #mplayer doesn't support those kind of packages |
| 09:22.14 | deadcat | pjn: no (= |
| 09:22.14 | KNO3Guru | like more audo per second> |
| 09:22.19 | KNO3Guru | ? |
| 09:22.32 | bahutnoenie | sanxiyn: joke? |
| 09:22.36 | sanxiyn | I am sure mplayer will be in Debian main, some day. |
| 09:22.42 | deadcat | pjn: i am the deadcat from bayarea,ca,us,earth,milkyway |
| 09:22.51 | deadcat | s/,/./g |
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| 09:22.55 | bahutnoenie | hehe you mean after all those discussions on d-legal |
| 09:23.08 | pjn | deadcat, that's a long way from brisbane,qld,au |
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| 09:23.40 | bahutnoenie | anyone else have nvidia card, and is using nv instead of nvidia? And might be using marliat mplayer debs? |
| 09:24.00 | bahutnoenie | or is anyone using mplayer from marrliat? |
| 09:24.16 | deadcat | bahutnoenie: ya. i was |
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| 09:24.32 | Teufel | where would my 'mysql bin directory' be? |
| 09:24.42 | deadcat | nvidia was hanging xfree, but i just upgraded to xorg on the desktop so its a bit better. mplayer still sucks like hell. |
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| 09:25.19 | bahutnoenie | deadcat: did you notice anything unusual? |
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| 09:25.42 | sanxiyn | Teufel: /usr/bin. If something says you need to add it to PATH, ignore. |
| 09:26.19 | deadcat | bahutnoenie: ya. mplayer fucks. nv rock nvidia but i needed dual monitor. |
| 09:26.46 | bahutnoenie | deadcat: did you already nag to the packages or mplayer devs? |
| 09:26.47 | deadcat | bemused0: dont /msg me, yes try !xorg debs |
| 09:27.12 | deadcat | bahutnoenie: nah. i use xine as default mplayer when xine doesnt work on a certain file |
| 09:27.35 | bahutnoenie | deadcat: I'm stuck to mplayer-mozilla |
| 09:27.45 | bahutnoenie | is there a xine-variant? |
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| 09:28.04 | Kiowas | according to www.debian.org/ports/amd64 security.debian.org should have all the updates I need for my unofficial sarge release of debian for amd64. However apt-get gives me file or directory not found errors when I attempt to update, does anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 09:28.24 | YaleR | bahutnoenie: get the media plugin for firefox... or if there is one for mozilla.... |
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| 09:28.57 | tools-lt | Is there any way I can script a package install and already fill in the questions. ( I want to automate installing ldap client ) |
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| 09:29.16 | sanxiyn | tools-lt: Yes, it's possible. |
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| 09:29.49 | tools-lt | sanxiyn: I tried googling on dpkg preconfigure, but that didn't help, any pointers on what keywords I should be looking at |
| 09:30.02 | bibiskuk | Hi there |
| 09:30.19 | bahutnoenie | YaleR: media player, ends me up at foxytunes, but how does that replace mplayer-mozilla? |
| 09:30.21 | Teufel | sanxiyn: so /usr/bin is my mysql bin directory or my bin directory for everything? |
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| 09:30.52 | bibiskuk | I have a probleme with my printer... I have installed cups, onfigure it and ic can print anything... |
| 09:30.56 | YaleR | bahutnoenie: huh? it's an extention for firefox (dunno about mozilla) called media player connectivity |
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| 09:31.12 | sanxiyn | tools-lt: debconf preseeding |
| 09:31.15 | bibiskuk | hen i do modprobe printer i get fatal error not installed... |
| 09:31.15 | YaleR | bahutnoenie: which do you have btw, firefox or mozilla? |
| 09:31.23 | tools-lt | sanxiyn: cool, thanks |
| 09:31.31 | bibiskuk | how I can install printer module ?? |
| 09:31.42 | bahutnoenie | YaleR: firefox, but mplayer-mozilla is for both, doesn't matter much |
| 09:31.55 | YaleR | bahutnoenie: yes, but not the extention (possibly) |
| 09:32.27 | sanxiyn | YaleR: ? |
| 09:32.36 | bahutnoenie | YaleR: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446 you mean? |
| 09:32.40 | YaleR | bahutnoenie: Media player connectivity extention: Allow you to launch embed video of website in an external application with a simple click * Replace the stream by a simple button * Works with RealMedia, QuickTime, WindowsMedia streams, Playlists, Flash (with restrictions) |
| 09:32.41 | sanxiyn | YaleR: mplayer plugin is *plugin*, not extension. |
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| 09:32.45 | bahutnoenie | MediaPlayerConnectivity |
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| 09:32.54 | bahutnoenie | ah cool man! |
| 09:33.06 | sanxiyn | YaleR: Oh, didn't know about that. |
| 09:33.09 | YaleR | I used it with mplayer. |
| 09:33.45 | deadcat | why is dist-upgrade removing x-window-system-core? we dont need it anymore? |
| 09:33.55 | sanxiyn | deadcat: That's strange. |
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| 09:33.59 | sanxiyn | deadcat: Shouldn't happen. |
| 09:34.18 | shakae | d |
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| 09:36.14 | blahdeblah | Can anyone recommend a DVD ripper that will let me pull a small part of a DVD onto my hard disk for playback later? |
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| 09:36.30 | bahutnoenie | YaleR: awesome dude |
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| 09:36.46 | ricky_clarkson | I realise this is a stupid question to ask here, but I doubt many Windows users would actually know the answer. |
| 09:37.02 | YaleR | bahutnoenie: :) finally I'm of some use :P |
| 09:37.18 | KNO3Guru | blahdeblah: cant you just copy files off the dvd disk? |
| 09:37.23 | bahutnoenie | YaleR: all this time I was stuck! stuck with darn mplayer-mozilla |
| 09:37.29 | KNO3Guru | blahdeblah: just the chapers you want? |
| 09:37.30 | bahutnoenie | luvin xine |
| 09:37.32 | ricky_clarkson | Is there an shfsmount-like thing for Windows, so that I can mount a directory from a Linux machine as a Windows drive, via SSH? |
| 09:37.37 | YaleR | ricky_clarkson: I can help, although the debian community is not noob friendly |
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| 09:38.03 | ricky_clarkson | YaleR: It is, and I'm not a noob. |
| 09:38.18 | snail | something ois exercising my disk extensively, what's the best way to find out which process that is? |
| 09:38.18 | YaleR | oh, misread. |
| 09:38.19 | blahdeblah | KNO3Guru: No idea whether i can just copy - never done DVD ripping before. |
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| 09:38.33 | bibiskuk | I have a probleme with my printer... I have installed cups, onfigure it and ic can print anything... |
| 09:38.36 | blahdeblah | KNO3Guru: Any random chapter will do... |
| 09:38.43 | YaleR | and ricky_clarkson, you can add a network place |
| 09:38.46 | bibiskuk | hen i do modprobe printer i get fatal error not installed... |
| 09:38.48 | YaleR | if thats what you mean... |
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| 09:38.54 | ricky_clarkson | YaleR: Yeah, but that's over SMB, not SSH. |
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| 09:39.14 | blahdeblah | ricky_clarkson: Not quite the same, but WinSCP works in an explorer-like manner. |
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| 09:39.37 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: FUSE |
| 09:39.38 | ricky_clarkson | blahdeblah: Yeah, but other programs can't use it, can they? |
| 09:39.42 | Kiowas | hmm... 'mkinitrd -o out kernelversion' pretends to work but doesnt actually create any output. does anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 09:39.50 | Outlaw84 | how do I chmod a folder if I wanto all users to do anything exept deleting the folder it self but subfolders are deleteable |
| 09:39.51 | sanxiyn | jm_: ricky is asking for something on Windows. |
| 09:40.05 | jm_ | sanxiyn: and no-one has flamed him yet? :) |
| 09:40.08 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: FUSE seems to be Linux. |
| 09:40.13 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: yeah :P |
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| 09:40.24 | sparr_ | where might i find a large number of freshmeat.net visitors in one channel? |
| 09:40.39 | Rawplayer | #freshmeat |
| 09:40.41 | blahdeblah | ricky_clarkson: Nope |
| 09:40.41 | snail | sparr_: wh do you ask? |
| 09:40.45 | snail | sparr_: why do you ask? |
| 09:40.57 | sparr_ | snail: im trying to figure out if im dense or their filtering system really does suck |
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| 09:41.19 | ValheruLord | when will be kde 3.4 added to debian sid |
| 09:41.28 | ValheruLord | weeks passed.. its annoying |
| 09:41.36 | sanxiyn | ValheruLord: Indeed. |
| 09:41.50 | ValheruLord | dpkg is not givin' good impressions |
| 09:41.55 | juanmals | do anyone know about an screensaver in debian who shows rss content? |
| 09:42.07 | snail | ValheruLord, they're starting with things like gcc and x and working their way up the order |
| 09:42.14 | ValheruLord | its givin useless things about that fact |
| 09:42.26 | snail | sparr_: several years ago when i tried it, it sucked |
| 09:42.55 | ricky_clarkson | Is there a utility that hides all the details of samba and just lets me do what I want to do? |
| 09:42.57 | sanxiyn | juanmals: xscreensaver has "URL" option. |
| 09:43.04 | ValheruLord | snail: so anyone is taking care about it |
| 09:43.04 | sanxiyn | (In "Text Manipulation") |
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| 09:43.15 | sanxiyn | juanmals: IIRC, the default is Planet Debian RSS. |
| 09:43.16 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: you mean to configure Samba? tried SWAT? |
| 09:43.20 | ValheruLord | snail: but arent the maintainers of kde different? |
| 09:43.23 | Outlaw84 | I am looking for some kind of netlimiting application does anyone of youy know any good? |
| 09:43.37 | dondelelcaro | Outlaw84: tc |
| 09:43.44 | snail | ValheruLord: KDE depends on aobut a hundred things. they need to upgrade those hundred things first, or they have to redo their work ovre |
| 09:43.58 | juanmals | sanxiyn, which screensaver shall allow me showing rss? |
| 09:44.06 | jm_ | Outlaw84: more details |
| 09:44.08 | juanmals | IIRC? |
| 09:44.18 | sanxiyn | If I recall correctly. |
| 09:44.21 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Nope. |
| 09:44.23 | ricky_clarkson | !swat |
| 09:44.23 | dpkg | swat is probably Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with |
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| 09:44.40 | snail | ValheruLord: all c++ libraries for example need to be repackaged right now. take a look at the debian weekly news |
| 09:44.41 | sanxiyn | juanmals: Not particular hack. You want textMode: url and textURL: <some rss>. |
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| 09:45.22 | Outlaw84 | jm_: Well in Windows i used an application called NetLimiter with the simple feature of being able to set upload/download limits for specifik applications |
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| 09:46.35 | petemc | Outlaw84: trickle |
| 09:46.59 | jm_ | Outlaw84: trickle |
| 09:47.01 | jm_ | damn :P |
| 09:47.05 | petemc | :) |
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| 09:48.35 | Outlaw84 | how do I get the "trickled socket name" to the app? |
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| 09:49.57 | Teufel | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /web/fagay/mysql.php on line 13 |
| 09:50.04 | Teufel | I'm getting this error when i try and do my first mysql DB : Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /web/fagay/mysql.php on line 13 |
| 09:50.15 | reamtS_ | !xorg |
| 09:50.15 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 09:50.18 | Rawplayer | #php #mysql |
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| 09:57.31 | jim | Teufel: first? look into postgres if you can as well; even learn them together |
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| 09:58.04 | jim | maybe you can set up your application with a switch you can throw... one way, postgres... other way, mysql |
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| 09:59.17 | jim | (you will need separate scripts for the dml, ddl and sql for each of the two) |
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| 10:00.12 | Crasp | anybody here using pwgen in a script where the output is assigned to a variable? |
| 10:00.28 | Crasp | i notice some strange behaviour when putting the output in a bash variable |
| 10:00.41 | jim | bb |
| 10:00.42 | jm_ | like? |
| 10:01.01 | Crasp | i.e.: password=`pwgen 8 1`;echo $password gives different behaviour then plain pwgen 8 1 |
| 10:01.05 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.08 | jm_ | it's in man page |
| 10:01.22 | Crasp | hmm i must have read over it |
| 10:01.28 | jm_ | it works the same way here |
| 10:01.38 | Crasp | well it gives password yes |
| 10:01.48 | Crasp | but for me it's all noncapital and no numbers |
| 10:02.02 | Crasp | while pwgen 8 1 does give capital and numbers |
| 10:02.17 | jm_ | what is num_pw supposed to mean? |
| 10:02.38 | Crasp | i'm not saying i want numeric passwords |
| 10:02.47 | jm_ | ahh number of passwords |
| 10:02.49 | Crasp | i just want the password to have a number in it |
| 10:03.03 | Crasp | oh yeah, sorry :) |
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| 10:03.15 | jm_ | run it with -n |
| 10:03.20 | jm_ | pwgen -n 8 1 |
| 10:03.29 | jm_ | and/or -c |
| 10:03.29 | Crasp | looks a bit better |
| 10:03.39 | Crasp | yeah that looks great |
| 10:03.40 | Crasp | thanks |
| 10:03.44 | jm_ | but yeah, it has different behaviour |
| 10:03.51 | Crasp | tho i still wonder why it works different |
| 10:03.53 | jm_ | it should be fixed IMHO |
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| 10:04.02 | Teufel | Can anyone tell me what a mysql dump file is for? |
| 10:04.03 | Crasp | it's nice that it only produces 1 password when used in a script |
| 10:04.10 | Crasp | but it's not nice that all other behaviour also changes |
| 10:04.10 | jm_ | Teufel: to upload it on another server? |
| 10:04.21 | jm_ | yeah, I supposed you could submit a bug |
| 10:04.29 | Crasp | i might do that :) |
| 10:04.29 | jm_ | suppose |
| 10:04.47 | jm_ | Teufel: or to make a backup ... |
| 10:05.04 | Teufel | jm_: hm... so does every mysql database need a dump file? |
| 10:05.39 | jm_ | Teufel: why are you asking this? |
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| 10:05.59 | FinnTux | is anyone using this http://www.lost.org.uk/openal.html in sid? |
| 10:06.17 | FinnTux | won't compile just right that |
| 10:07.12 | Teufel | jm_ I just finally got php and mysql working and was reading a little guide on it where we were sposed to make a dump file. Was just wondering what they were ... |
| 10:07.31 | jm_ | Teufel: can I see that link? |
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| 10:08.09 | Teufel | http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/99/21/index2a_page5.html?tw=programming |
| 10:08.32 | seeeS | strange |
| 10:09.06 | seeeS | ah |
| 10:09.13 | seeeS | the dump file just populates the database |
| 10:09.14 | jm_ | Teufel: Most PHP scripts come with what's known as a dump file that contains all the data required to create and populate a MySQL database. |
| 10:09.18 | jm_ | indeed |
| 10:09.26 | jm_ | and create the tables and whatnot |
| 10:09.41 | seeeS | yeah, although i usually dump the databse every now and then for backups |
| 10:09.44 | Teufel | what do you mean by populate? |
| 10:09.51 | jm_ | fill in the values |
| 10:09.56 | Teufel | hm... |
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| 10:10.52 | Teufel | ah so the dump is just like values for everything and whatnot? |
| 10:10.54 | seeeS | create database just makes an empty container. you need to make tables (eg a table called products with id, description and price) and fill in (populate) the tables. eg 1, "banana", $0.90 |
| 10:11.00 | jm_ | yes, initial values |
| 10:11.09 | Teufel | ahhhh ok |
| 10:11.27 | Teufel | and you connect that with the database so that people can change it via your website and stuff right? |
| 10:11.49 | cerutf | help please... if i have kernel-2.4.26-10 to install its source do i have to find a packege with the exact version number?(ex, 2.4.25) |
| 10:11.52 | seeeS | you put it into the database. like files into a directory |
| 10:12.25 | jm_ | cerutf: apt-get source <pkgname> |
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| 10:12.30 | coywolf | is tcp/ip big endian or little endian? |
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| 10:13.02 | seeeS | coywolf: the opposite of a i386 |
| 10:13.33 | incorrect | does anyone know of packages of php4 for the apache2 on backports for woody? i am trying to get cacti running with apache2 ... |
| 10:13.40 | cerutf | the thing is that when i apt-cache search kernel-myversion, it doesnt appear on the list |
| 10:13.43 | coywolf | seeeS, what benefits from that? |
| 10:13.52 | jm_ | cerutf: don't search like that |
| 10:13.55 | cerutf | other versions |
| 10:14.00 | cerutf | oh |
| 10:14.06 | seeeS | coywolf: in Ye Olde days the hosts were that way |
| 10:14.14 | cerutf | how then, please |
| 10:14.19 | jm_ | apt-cache search kernel <version> |
| 10:15.04 | seeeS | coywolf: so, for example, the IP address didnt need manipulation, it was the same in memory as on wire |
| 10:15.39 | cerutf | bueno, jajaja, tampoco |
| 10:15.51 | cerutf | nsiquiera aparecen otras versiones |
| 10:16.11 | coywolf | seeeS, but on i386, we need manipulations on IP, right? |
| 10:16.23 | cerutf | necesito saber como encontrar un serv que tenga el source que necesito |
| 10:16.24 | seeeS | coywolf: yes, things like htonl |
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| 10:17.11 | seeeS | coywolf: although to write portable code you should *always* use those functions, even though on things like.. sparcs i think.. they do nothing |
| 10:17.52 | monaxe | nasss |
| 10:18.11 | coywolf | is disk big endian or little endian? |
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| 10:18.20 | cerutf | that way doesnt work either, i guess what i need is to find a server that has the version of my source, right? |
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| 10:18.47 | jm_ | yes, you won't find all kernel versions in Debian |
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| 10:20.46 | Crasp | jm_: it's not really a bug i noticed.. it's all written in the manual and the idea of pwgen giving different output in a script then in tty mode is for backward compatibility |
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| 10:23.41 | ThePiratemaster | what sing rerplaces a space in BASH? |
| 10:23.46 | ThePiratemaster | *sign |
| 10:24.04 | bibiskuk | \ |
| 10:24.12 | bibiskuk | \space... |
| 10:24.17 | ThePiratemaster | didnt work O_O |
| 10:24.27 | bibiskuk | oups |
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| 10:24.38 | jm_ | Crasp: that only talks about number of passwords it outputs, not about the properties of a password |
| 10:24.41 | ThePiratemaster | CODUO\LINUX\SERVER |
| 10:24.46 | ThePiratemaster | no such fiel or dir |
| 10:25.04 | jm_ | ThePiratemaster: use tab completion |
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| 10:25.19 | Crasp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.19 | Crasp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.19 | Crasp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.26 | Crasp | mind the last part |
| 10:25.46 | jm_ | ahh stupid me, I only read the top part |
| 10:25.51 | jm_ | good spot |
| 10:26.04 | ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.06 | ThePiratemaster | tnx :) |
| 10:26.16 | jm_ | saves you from submiting a stupid bug report ;) |
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| 10:29.17 | coywolf | is ext2 big or little endian? |
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| 10:32.03 | cerutf | does kernel-image-2.4.26-i386 have th source? |
| 10:32.08 | Guerin | a filesystem has endianness? |
| 10:32.18 | simonrvn | good question, i'd guess LE, but i could be wrong |
| 10:32.29 | simonrvn | Guerin, sure, XFS is BE for instance |
| 10:32.30 | Coke | doesn't that depend on the architecture's choice? |
| 10:32.37 | simonrvn | norox, different |
| 10:32.39 | snail | is there a wget-like thing that handles large websites with many small files (wget consumes memory linearly to the number of files it has downloaded) |
| 10:32.40 | simonrvn | wth |
| 10:32.50 | tiglionabbit | hello. I just reformatted an NTFS partition to ext3 with mkfs.ext3. Then I mounted it with no options, and it says "NTFS: Invalid $Mft record 0". What am I doing wrong here? |
| 10:33.25 | simonrvn | norox, even |
| 10:33.29 | simonrvn | 'hg |
| 10:33.39 | snail | tiglionabbit: changed you fstab? |
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| 10:33.42 | simonrvn | stupid client |
| 10:33.44 | ^johns^ | tiglionabbit: dit |
| 10:33.52 | ^johns^ | damn |
| 10:33.58 | ^johns^ | did you edit /etc/fstab? |
| 10:34.04 | tiglionabbit | snail: it's not in my fstab. I just said "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt" |
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| 10:34.25 | tiglionabbit | I can force it to be a type with -t, but it seems odd to me that it would still try to be NTFS |
| 10:34.25 | ^johns^ | did you toggle the filesystem type with fdisk? |
| 10:34.28 | snail | tiglionabbit: try "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt" |
| 10:34.34 | Guerin | snail: rsync, but it's not a http client |
| 10:34.45 | tiglionabbit | it will do that, and when it does, I see a "lost+found" folder in it. Why is that? |
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| 10:35.07 | ^johns^ | to put stuff in that got lost and found :) |
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| 10:35.25 | ^johns^ | it's on every partition |
| 10:35.34 | snail | tiglionabbit: that's a found in the root of every partition where files get put in the filesystem is corrupt |
| 10:36.13 | snail | because they filesystem writes the content before the dircetory, so sometimes you get one without the other |
| 10:36.26 | ^johns^ | ok, a reboot. brb |
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| 10:39.40 | torc | does debian installer support mount of smb shares? if not, how could this be accomplished? |
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| 10:41.52 | Guerin | torc: why would it need to? |
| 10:42.54 | torc | Guerin: in order to backup the raw hd image to the only pc with sufficiend disk space. which is a windows one. |
| 10:43.02 | Guerin | torc: storing debian packages on a windows machine is as braindead as it comes, and samba requires substantial configuration, and adds non-trivial amounts of bloat to an installer |
| 10:43.23 | Guerin | torc: wtf? back the harddrive up before you start the installer. |
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| 10:43.45 | torc | Guerin: actually its a powerpc, and i was looking for the most easy way. |
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| 10:44.35 | Guerin | torc: i don't see what your architecture has to do with it, and the easiest way I can figure would be to backup critical stuff and nuke the underlying OS. |
| 10:45.12 | torc | Guerin: one more point. i have to be able to fully restore the system to the current state. |
| 10:45.21 | Guerin | if you insist on backing up the whole shop, you'd be wanting to do that BEFORE you start the install |
| 10:45.29 | Guerin | torc: ok, then you probably do need to image |
| 10:45.51 | Guerin | but do it first, using a real system, not an installer. |
| 10:45.52 | torc | Guerin: yeah. i was just thinking about going to shell as the first step of the installer. |
| 10:46.07 | Guerin | torc: unnecessarily tricky. |
| 10:46.13 | torc | Guerin: ah, so i should take some livecd image? |
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| 10:46.39 | Guerin | torc: why don't you just do it from whatever OS is on the box to begin with? |
| 10:47.53 | torc | Guerin: its mac os x. |
| 10:48.30 | torc | Guerin: thanks for the advice. i will definitely try that. what about the other way, when i will be restoring it... |
| 10:48.55 | Guerin | torc: you'll need a *nix environment to use dd and samba in, then. |
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| 10:49.11 | Guerin | torc: i'd probably consider backing up to cd or dvd |
| 10:49.17 | Guerin | torc: in order to cur out samba |
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| 10:49.39 | Guerin | torc: or by putting the windows machine's HDD into the machine to be backed up and writing the image directly. |
| 10:49.52 | Guerin | presuming osx can read/write the filesystem... |
| 10:49.58 | torc | Guerin: its a powerbook. |
| 10:50.02 | Guerin | oh |
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| 10:50.08 | Guerin | that complicates matters rather. |
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| 10:50.39 | sdogi_ | where should iptables rules go |
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| 10:50.43 | torc | Guerin: if there is a livecd image for powerpc with samba support, then it will be much easier. |
| 10:50.44 | suppa | hi |
| 10:50.54 | suppa | "startx" vanished |
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| 10:51.00 | sdogi_ | like, don't feel like writing new /etc/init.d/someiptablescript, if there already is one |
| 10:51.10 | childe | Hi, if I want to set some environment variables globally, which file should I put them in? |
| 10:51.10 | suppa | which package does contain it ? |
| 10:51.32 | Guerin | torc: maybe ubuntu's has it ... I dunno. samba is tricky because it requires a lot of machine-specific config |
| 10:51.36 | childe | For example, I want to set the XMODIFIERS variable. |
| 10:51.39 | suppa | with apt-cache search I get xbase-clients that actually doesn't contain "startx" |
| 10:51.52 | Guerin | childe: why are you setting environment variables globally? |
| 10:52.03 | Guerin | !system wide |
| 10:52.03 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 10:52.17 | daffy-pkf | can someone help me to set up my graphic tablet? it's an aiptek, i found some things on google, but still doesn't work, my Xorg.0.log show this: (EE) No Input driver matching `aiptek', but i have a aiptek_drv.o in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/ |
| 10:52.30 | childe | Guerin: Sorry, should be "system wide", |
| 10:52.41 | Guerin | childe: but WHY? |
| 10:52.59 | childe | I need to set the XMODIFIERS variable to use my X input method. |
| 10:53.06 | sdogi_ | i think dpkg should be shot |
| 10:53.10 | torc | Guerin: its also possible to use ftp with that machine. is it possible to somehow redirect the raw image stream to ftp? |
| 10:53.30 | Guerin | torc: sure. You can and probably should compress it, too. |
| 10:53.44 | torc | Guerin: any howtos available on that? |
| 10:54.28 | Guerin | torc: well, it all depends on what you're using. read the manuals for tar and your ftp client |
| 10:54.32 | childe | I know I can set this variable in X's initializing scripts, but I think that would be ugly. |
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| 10:55.03 | torc | Guerin: ok, thanks for the help. |
| 10:55.05 | Teufel | What is a command I can do to just figure out how much Hard drive space I have left? |
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| 10:55.18 | Guerin | childe: bashrc and profile in /etc or in the users' homedirs, including /root/ if you want root to be the same |
| 10:55.22 | jim | man df |
| 10:55.22 | Guerin | Teufel: df |
| 10:55.24 | jim | man du |
| 10:55.50 | egg|coffeebreak | info du |
| 10:55.52 | Teufel | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:56.11 | childe | Guerin: There isn't a system-wide config file so I only need to export the variable once? |
| 10:56.17 | jim | egg|coffeebreak, that too |
| 10:56.25 | egg|coffeebreak | ^^ |
| 10:56.39 | childe | I remember there has been a "system.conf" or some file in earlier Debian versions |
| 10:56.47 | childe | I'm using 3.1 now. |
| 10:56.53 | Guerin | childe: read the documentation for profile and bashrc and you'll see. |
| 10:57.01 | egg|coffeebreak | "CLI information system" <- good taste |
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| 10:57.34 | jim | childe: it's come a long way and has progressed to the point where it's probably different now :) |
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| 10:58.24 | childe | jim: So now what's the equivalence of that file? |
| 10:59.01 | jim | gnu weekly news? |
| 10:59.15 | mops_ | where can I set what to do when I push enter on some file in Xconsole? |
| 10:59.15 | egg|coffeebreak | which is right? |
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| 10:59.44 | childe | If I export that variable in /etc/profile, it will only take effects when a login shell is started, right? |
| 10:59.56 | jim | childe: right |
| 10:59.56 | mops_ | I want to asociate files according to them association |
| 10:59.57 | Guerin | childe: right. |
| 11:00.16 | childe | So if I didn't run any login shell, I won't see that variable. |
| 11:00.25 | Guerin | childe: but bashrc will mean it's in effect any time you run bash |
| 11:00.26 | childe | And I want all the X clients see that variable. |
| 11:00.32 | jm_ | mops_: mailcap if Xconsole supports it |
| 11:00.38 | Guerin | childe: THIS IS NOT OPEN HEART SURGERY |
| 11:00.45 | childe | Yes, but it's read everytime I run bash |
| 11:00.49 | hcy | can someone give me a hand here? I'm using kmyfirewall and need to open ports for bittornado. I have no idea how it's done |
| 11:01.02 | jim | if it were, you'd know a lot about making sure nothing leaks! |
| 11:01.04 | childe | It's ugly. I can put a "if" before the exporting, but... |
| 11:01.06 | Guerin | oh god |
| 11:01.16 | yaarg | childe: you could source your profile when x is started |
| 11:01.19 | Guerin | kmyfirewall gets my vote for Worst Application Name of 2005 |
| 11:01.22 | childe | Why there is no system.conf in this version? |
| 11:02.00 | hcy | Guerin: :) |
| 11:02.01 | jim | childe: because users are not necessarily created equal even on the same box |
| 11:02.25 | Guerin | childe: why should all users be the same? |
| 11:02.26 | childe | Hmmm...when did they removed that file? From 3.1? |
| 11:02.31 | egg|coffeebreak | :D |
| 11:02.33 | Guerin | childe: why should there be one conf to rule them all? |
| 11:02.40 | childe | Because, I am the only user on this machine. |
| 11:02.45 | jim | childe: maybe you could edit some of the stuff in /etc/skel (they're hidden: ls -a) |
| 11:03.07 | childe | If /etc/profile can rule them all, system.conf can, too. |
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| 11:03.45 | jim | as you can see, it can't necessarily rule them all |
| 11:04.05 | jim | case in point is, as you say, non-login shells |
| 11:05.13 | childe | jim: Yes, but it can rule quite a lot things. |
| 11:05.48 | jim | to see clearly what files are read when, the FILES section of man bash has that... info bash gets you to somewhat better docs, but I dunno what that thing is called in the info pages |
| 11:05.50 | childe | jim: And if you put something in profile, people can't easily avoid being affect. |
| 11:06.18 | jim | but they can avoid... |
| 11:06.40 | jim | maybe under certain conditions /etc/profile is not read |
| 11:06.43 | childe | I think it's a bad idea to remove /etc/system.conf file. At least they can provide a method to disable it |
| 11:07.33 | jim | you're welcome to file a bug report to that effect; wishlist priority |
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| 11:09.12 | childe | I think I will...considering now Debian is the only distribution that doesn't have so many bugs |
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| 11:11.51 | egg|coffeebreak | childe, I can't agree with you more. |
| 11:12.43 | childe | :-) |
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| 11:13.26 | drac | deadcat: I'd just try AGPMode "4" and then check 'dmesg' it should tell if it was succesfull. |
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| 11:15.51 | kuttibarani | how to install script fu for gimp |
| 11:16.01 | childe | I think finally I found the reason why Debian compiled for i386 on Intel platforms by default. |
| 11:16.11 | rorot | help, can bittorrent support http_proxy ? |
| 11:16.26 | Guerin | rorot: since bittorrent doesn't use http, i doubt it |
| 11:16.34 | jm_ | rorot: possibly with things like httptunnel |
| 11:16.39 | childe | So that applications run slower, and we can figure out which application's performance need to be improve easily. |
| 11:16.41 | Guerin | rorot: of course, you can tunnel anything through a tunnelling app |
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| 11:17.03 | DimmuR | After restart i lost all icons from gnome-panel but i see that i have all in .gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers - is it possible to get it back or i need to add all icons manually to panel? |
| 11:17.10 | rorot | Guerin: what is the tunnel, do u mean http_proxy here ? |
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| 11:17.44 | fatal__ | childe: debian packages uses the i386 "instruction set" by default.... but they are not optimized for use of 386... |
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| 11:17.56 | Guerin | rorot: no, a tunneling program like stunnel, except encryption isn't necessarily needed |
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| 11:18.22 | torc | Guerin: so, its possible to use tar & ftp to transfer the raw hd image stream on the fly (without saving it on local hd), right? |
| 11:18.37 | Guerin | torc: anything's possible :) |
| 11:18.46 | rorot | Guerin: do u mean that I can use bittorrent via stunnel in a lan ? |
| 11:18.47 | torc | Guerin: heh, thanks for the moral support ;) |
| 11:18.59 | Guerin | torc: but yes, it is possible in principle - you'd need a decent ftp client, etc. |
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| 11:19.27 | torc | Guerin: and some tricky ftp server? or not? |
| 11:19.28 | Guerin | rorot: in theoory, you can tunnel any tcp/ip connection over stunnel |
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| 11:19.45 | Guerin | torc: nope, just something that's not utterly broken and will let the client do its own thing |
| 11:19.51 | jm_ | roror;apt-cache show httptunnel |
| 11:19.56 | jm_ | rorot ^^^^^^ |
| 11:19.58 | henk | I have a dell poweredge with serial ata raid set up from the controller BIOS as raid0-striping. My debian stable netinst 40Mb disk does not see any partitionable space so i guess the controller is not found. Any thoughts on how to install this box ? |
| 11:20.03 | Guerin | httptunnel is probably more suitable |
| 11:20.03 | rorot | Guerin: thanks, I will try it later :) |
| 11:20.12 | rorot | jm_: thanks :P |
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| 11:22.13 | jm_ | henk: tried 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:24.35 | seeeS | henk: I had a similiar problem with a Dell, it would not see the disks when RAID was turned on |
| 11:25.01 | seeeS | Would have to be a 2.6 kernel, dont think SATA is in 2.4 |
| 11:25.37 | jm_ | SATA is in 2.4.28 at least |
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| 11:26.02 | seeeS | is it the dodgy one that doesnt look like a SCSI disk in 2.4.28? |
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| 11:26.38 | jm_ | it's in SCSI section |
| 11:27.15 | seeeS | hmm, id still use a 2.6 kernel. interesting there is SATA in 2.4 |
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| 11:27.24 | jm_ | well me too |
| 11:27.43 | simonrvn | esp. when it's starting to resemble stability |
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| 11:28.50 | seeeS | annoys the hell out of me that the controllers are not supported properly in Linux |
| 11:29.05 | Virtual | Virtual:~# apt-setup |
| 11:29.05 | Virtual | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 11:29.05 | Virtual | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 11:29.12 | Virtual | how can I switch from Kde back to dialog ? |
| 11:29.24 | jm_ | man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 11:30.59 | seeeS | its always the dodgy stuff. like the i810 sound onboard or the crap ciontroller in the Dell SC420 |
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| 11:31.33 | mops_ | how can I set my X cursor? |
| 11:31.39 | seeeS | the SC420 controller cannot handle full-speed software RAID reconstruction. it locks up until you bash the box |
| 11:31.44 | jim | at least the crap controller has a flush button... |
| 11:32.12 | seeeS | i cannot work out why bashing the box makes it work |
| 11:32.16 | jm_ | mops_: find the docs on the net, you just edit a file in your home dir, it's very simple |
| 11:32.21 | torc | why debian netinst is ~200mb for powerpc, while its ~30mb for i386? :) |
| 11:32.35 | torc | and even ~21mb for alpha. |
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| 11:32.50 | jm_ | no netinst for i386 is ~110M |
| 11:32.52 | jim | it's probably cause you're bashing outside the box! |
| 11:33.51 | seeeS | i just adjusted the reconstruction rate. im guessing it has small buffers |
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| 11:33.59 | simonrvn | ppc binaries are larger, it's the arch |
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| 11:34.06 | torc | jm_: sorry. my mistake. |
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| 11:34.19 | torc | jm_: ~100 mb for bussienscard, 30, 21 accordingly. |
| 11:34.25 | jm_ | torc: right |
| 11:34.40 | jm_ | torc: I suppose it's due to RISC factor |
| 11:34.41 | mufa | hi, what's the debian way to compile a kernel ? |
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| 11:34.53 | jim | !kp |
| 11:34.54 | dpkg | kp is probably To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 11:34.56 | seeeS | im sure there is a clever dpkg faq thingy for that |
| 11:35.05 | torc | jm_: does that mean, those binaries also need more memory for the code? :) |
| 11:35.07 | seeeS | ha, there it is |
| 11:35.11 | jim | I'm also sure! |
| 11:35.12 | jm_ | torc: yes of course |
| 11:35.15 | simonrvn | seeeS: they're many clever factoids ;) |
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| 11:35.27 | torc | heh, nice :) |
| 11:35.30 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 11:35.30 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 11:35.32 | seeeS | simonrvn: the trick is knowing their name |
| 11:35.50 | simonrvn | seeeS: another trick $bot listkeys and $bot listvals |
| 11:36.04 | simonrvn | !listkeys kp |
| 11:36.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kp' by key (15 of 36): backports ;; cockpump ;; gnome2.2 backport ;; kp mantra ;; kpmg ;; kpos ;; kpr ;; kpreempt ;; make-kpgk ;; make-kpkg ;; nickprefix ;; php4 backport ;; security backports ;; simple sid backport ;; xf4.2 woody backport. |
| 11:36.53 | seeeS | cockpump.. yes i can see what that has to do with kernel building |
| 11:37.05 | simonrvn | don't ask me :) |
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| 11:37.39 | drcode | HI all |
| 11:37.46 | drcode | I Need some help with linux gust in vmware |
| 11:37.52 | PeTeRB | seeeS: If kernel compiling is evil, it should probably help. |
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| 11:39.23 | Esaj | is there a way to see what kind of RAM I have without physically looking at it? |
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| 11:42.58 | henk | jm_ & seeeS can i choose which kernel to use with the standard netinstal cds from debian.org or do i need to get a special 2.6 kernel version for the sataraid support |
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| 11:43.17 | seeeS | henk: you just put linux26 on the lilo line |
| 11:43.21 | fsk_ | Hej all |
| 11:43.29 | fsk_ | just installed sarge |
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| 11:43.45 | fsk_ | will put a squid on it and thats it |
| 11:44.25 | seeeS | fair enough |
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| 11:45.13 | fsk_ | me |
| 11:45.19 | jm_ | henk: netinst defaults to 2.4 |
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| 11:49.53 | henk | the linux26 boot finds the two serialata disks as separate disks (sda/sdd). howver i set up the two disks as raid-0 in the controllerbios. So somehow this raid setting gets overruled and the raid0 is not found be linux as a single disk. any ideas on how to deal with that ? |
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| 11:50.41 | seeeS | henk: are you certain that they are "joined up" often you have to turn on raid, then set it up on specific disks |
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| 11:51.03 | dagnabbit | if i was stupid enough to update to 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 |
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| 11:51.18 | dagnabbit | can someone tell me what the status of the packages are which are broken because of it? :) |
| 11:51.21 | jm_ | henk: that's software raid |
| 11:51.38 | henk | seeeS i'll walk trough the normal and controller bios again to see if i missed something hold on |
| 11:51.56 | jm_ | henk: check dm-raid |
| 11:51.59 | seeeS | henk: the SC420 had that two-step process. |
| 11:52.05 | dagnabbit | btw.. i think my normal nick snadge is banned from speaking in this channel, possibly due to a drunken incident involving myself the other night |
| 11:52.17 | Guerin | dagnabbit: nothing's broken for me, but people have been having problems with libglu-something, which means vlc and xine have to go, among other things |
| 11:52.19 | seeeS | hehehe |
| 11:52.41 | Guerin | dagnabbit: now that you've admitted that, you're liable to get banned again for evading your initial ban |
| 11:52.49 | dagnabbit | Guerin, k3b has to go too.. something to do with aspell |
| 11:53.07 | jm_ | henk: http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 11:53.27 | Guerin | dagnabbit: oh yeah, aspell was out, but k3b still works fine for me. |
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| 11:53.54 | liable | henk: you might want to check this out. http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 11:54.01 | dagnabbit | Guerin, but im not drunk tonight.. and i can only offer my sincerest apologies for the other night when i was. i have my own distillery that produces over 90% ethanol, and was testing it |
| 11:54.10 | Guerin | dagnabbit: ... |
| 11:54.14 | seeeS | wow |
| 11:54.14 | jm_ | indeed, that SATA FAQ points it out |
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| 11:54.21 | jm_ | and gives a link to dmraid on RH site |
| 11:54.48 | pjn | I'm drunk, does that count? |
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| 11:55.05 | Guerin | pjn: yesope. |
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| 11:55.11 | dagnabbit | pjn, you have to be an ass as well as being drunk to get banned =) |
| 11:55.12 | lucaslira | #ubuntu channel |
| 11:55.24 | Guerin | lucaslira: no. |
| 11:55.27 | lucaslira | #j ubuntu channel |
| 11:55.42 | torc | heh. |
| 11:55.43 | pjn | /j #ubuntu |
| 11:55.43 | lucaslira | how can i enter on a Ubuntu chanel?? |
| 11:55.49 | liable | lucaslira: /j #ubuntu |
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| 11:56.04 | lucaslira | thank you!! :) |
| 11:56.06 | liable | lucaslira: did xchat bring you here? |
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| 11:56.27 | liable | lucaslira: just wondering. |
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| 11:56.52 | seeeS | too much drinking over there and not enough here |
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| 11:57.13 | liable | seeeS: where? |
| 11:57.41 | seeeS | at my house |
| 11:57.41 | dagnabbit | seeeS, not to want to advertise.. but i got my setup from stillspirits.com (a new zealand outfit, its legal to distill alcohol over there) there are distributors worldwide |
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| 11:58.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:58.04 | dagnabbit | you may want to check the legality in your particular location ;) |
| 11:58.17 | Guerin | NZ has pretty loose laws regarding your own booze |
| 11:58.20 | liable | my brother brews his own scotch, pretty bloody good too. |
| 11:58.21 | pjn | I got my beer from the local bottleshop, carried it home and my girlfriend is getting them out of the fridge |
| 11:58.25 | seeeS | dagnabbit: yes, my father just recently told me about that fact. he was cursing that Queenland, AU you cannot distill so he can only distill water |
| 11:58.38 | Guerin | liable: he can't make scotch unless he's in scotland. |
| 11:58.55 | liable | Guerin: errr, ok.... |
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| 11:59.01 | Guerin | liable: he might make whiskey... |
| 11:59.07 | dagnabbit | seeeS, yes.. and you're only allowed a 5 litre boiler at that.. fortunately, you can still purchase 25+L boilers and the process of distilling alcohol is identical to that of water distillation ;) |
| 12:00.05 | dagnabbit | im sure my 25L boiler, and distillation of over 90% alcohol is in violation of local law.. but the local home brew shop were more than happy to sell the equipment to me, plus provide instructions on how to use it |
| 12:00.07 | henk | jm_ dmraid is better than normal linux software raid? |
| 12:00.24 | Nolius_ | hello can you tell me if you can see graphmonkey when you do a apt-cache search graphmonkey? , please |
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| 12:00.39 | Guerin | mmm, beer with ice in |
| 12:00.58 | liable | Guerin: wierdo :P |
| 12:01.03 | seeeS | noli: no |
| 12:01.18 | Guerin | liable: get back to me when it's above 30 degrees at 9pm |
| 12:01.47 | jm_ | henk: dmraid uses device mapper to support software based RAID solutions like you can find on most motherboards (they're usually not real hardware raid) |
| 12:01.52 | pjn | hmm, now I've been soundly smooched |
| 12:01.52 | liable | Guerin: yeah I can relate. give it 3 months and I will be feeling the same... |
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| 12:01.58 | Guerin | dagnabbit: did you need to distill it more than once to get that degree? |
| 12:02.07 | seeeS | jm_: other than saying "wow cute" is there a point of using dmraid |
| 12:02.12 | Guerin | liable: yeah, but it'll be a DRY heat |
| 12:02.17 | dagnabbit | Guerin, no.. im using a super reflux design.. fascinating what those kiwis have come up with ;) |
| 12:02.18 | liable | Guerin: no |
| 12:02.19 | Esaj | Nolius_: yes |
| 12:02.23 | pjn | so much for having a girlfriend, they're more trouble than they're worth |
| 12:02.27 | Guerin | and it still cools down quite well out there in the Rapa |
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| 12:02.41 | liable | Guerin: ever heard of the tropical top half of australia? |
| 12:02.42 | Guerin | dagnabbit: nifty. pot stills run off about 60% |
| 12:02.50 | jm_ | seeeS: probably so that you can use the same setup in Windows and Linux |
| 12:02.52 | Guerin | liable: oh, is that where you are? |
| 12:02.53 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:02.59 | Nolius_ | Esaj, you can see graphmonkey? |
| 12:03.00 | Guerin | i got you mixed up with another person |
| 12:03.06 | Esaj | Nolius_: yes |
| 12:03.08 | Guerin | liable: you're a queenlander |
| 12:03.11 | seeeS | liable: like cairns? |
| 12:03.15 | Nolius_ | I'm very happy it's my first appl on debian |
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| 12:03.27 | liable | Guerin: west of cairns, bootom of the gulf at the moment |
| 12:03.34 | liable | bootom even |
| 12:03.40 | Guerin | liable: lordy, it will be stinky up there |
| 12:03.42 | liable | gah, bottom |
| 12:03.49 | liable | yeah |
| 12:03.58 | Guerin | bah, i wanted to do a roadtrip around the gulf of carpentaria when I was in .au |
| 12:04.00 | dagnabbit | guerin: the difference between pot and reflux (afaik) .. water is used to cool the still (condenser) to roughly 82C (by adjusting the rate of flow of coolant water).. the still is filled with odd shaped ceramic pieces which the alcohol condenses on |
| 12:04.03 | Esaj | Nolius_: cool |
| 12:04.04 | Guerin | not enough time :( |
| 12:04.11 | seeeS | nolius: packages.debian.org doesnt show it |
| 12:04.17 | Guerin | dagnabbit: ah yeah, that makes sense. |
| 12:04.25 | liable | Guerin: not much to see really. nt and kimberley are better. |
| 12:04.38 | Nolius_ | seeeS do you know why? |
| 12:04.42 | Esaj | seeeS: maybe it's out of date |
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| 12:04.52 | Esaj | I'm using sid |
| 12:04.56 | Guerin | liable: yeah, some of my mates bought a landcruiser and did the circumference |
| 12:05.00 | Guerin | took them 3 montsh |
| 12:05.09 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:05.11 | dagnabbit | guerin: there is a further technique, known as a molecular sieve which will remove the final 5% water if desired.. for 99.999% alcohol ;) |
| 12:05.27 | Guerin | and the landcruiser broke down on the nullarbor and they had to buy a nissan patrol |
| 12:05.39 | liable | ouch, bet that cost em.. |
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| 12:05.58 | liable | thats one long boring mother fucker of a road. |
| 12:06.00 | Guerin | dagnabbit: ethanol stabilises at 95%. Take your 99% and open the cap and you've wasted all that extra time and money. |
| 12:06.04 | Nolius_ | Esaj graphmonkey is only on debian since today |
| 12:06.09 | dagnabbit | the only reason you would do that, is to mix it with petroleum (gasoline) as water does not mix |
| 12:06.13 | Guerin | liable: yeah, they had to get diesel and water dropped by plane |
| 12:06.19 | liable | shit. |
| 12:06.28 | SuperFly | first time debian user (been a freebsd user for a while)...... installing on 3 disks that are RAID 5 (70GB total) and having a 4th disk that is 70gb by itself. All raid is setup via the adapater (hardware). When I partition the disk, do i use a Linux FS type for the RAID, or do I use FD? When I use FD, I'm unable to Initialize it ?? |
| 12:06.34 | Guerin | dagnabbit: ah, right on, as an octane booster |
| 12:06.42 | Guerin | dagnabbit: much better than lead, etc. |
| 12:06.52 | seeeS | nolius_: PTS doesnt show it either |
| 12:06.54 | Esaj | Nolius_: packages.debian.org takes some time to update |
| 12:06.56 | dagnabbit | Guerin, i was going to do the middle of australia trip in a 1974 celica |
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| 12:06.59 | jm_ | SuperFly: what is FD? |
| 12:07.17 | seeeS | superfly: FD is for software RAID |
| 12:07.19 | dagnabbit | but i was talked out of it by knowledgeable people |
| 12:07.21 | dagnabbit | :p |
| 12:07.27 | SuperFly | oh |
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| 12:07.34 | Guerin | dagnabbit: that would qualify as Insane. |
| 12:07.37 | SuperFly | so do I USE lINUX (83) OR lINUX EXTENDED (85) |
| 12:07.44 | SuperFly | sorry for the caps.. er |
| 12:07.59 | dagnabbit | Guerin, i drink over 90% alcohol.. im already qualified as insane ;) |
| 12:08.00 | Esaj | seeeS: what's PTS? |
| 12:08.02 | seeeS | superfly, hmm 83 iirc |
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| 12:08.10 | liable | I have seen two wheel drives in some seriously mad places up north.. |
| 12:08.12 | seeeS | esaj: package tracking system |
| 12:08.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:08.33 | Esaj | seeeS: is that a web site? |
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| 12:08.50 | seeeS | http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 12:08.55 | dagnabbit | its tasty too.. i wish there was a debian swap meet or gathering organised regularly.. i'd bring some of my rocket fuel |
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| 12:09.01 | Guerin | i've seen pictures of some of the roads in mongolia, and some of the ladas and other crappy russian cars which travel them |
| 12:09.04 | inflex | anyone got an idea why I'd get the following error while running apt-get update --- E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 12:09.07 | Guerin | it's insane, it beggars belief |
| 12:09.11 | Guerin | !mmap |
| 12:09.12 | dpkg | hmm... dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 12:09.25 | SuperFly | you guys using ext2 or ext3? |
| 12:09.30 | inflex | thank dpkg |
| 12:09.34 | SuperFly | ext2? |
| 12:09.37 | seeeS | superfly: ext3 |
| 12:09.41 | dagnabbit | Supaplex, depends if you care about speed or data integrity :P |
| 12:09.46 | Guerin | like, an old, rusted out lada crossing a river which has iced over, and is covered in 12 inches of snow, at night |
| 12:09.47 | dagnabbit | bah.. superfly even |
| 12:10.00 | SuperFly | hrm. probably speed |
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| 12:10.23 | dagnabbit | Guerin, damn.. im impressed to know that there are souls crazier than myself |
| 12:10.27 | liable | hehe, the locals here are pretty mad for doing that sort of shit but going through raging rivers etc. |
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| 12:10.47 | fleuret | hi people |
| 12:10.49 | Guerin | dagnabbit: heh. I'm doing a roadtrip from korea to scotland next year. |
| 12:10.59 | dagnabbit | i drove my celica from queensland to victoria.. (2000kms) |
| 12:11.06 | fleuret | is there a channel for question related to legal stuff & debian ? |
| 12:11.08 | dagnabbit | and its virtually unmodified since 1974 |
| 12:11.11 | inflex | hey there dagnabbit - fellow Aussie |
| 12:11.16 | liable | fleuret: your here. |
| 12:11.22 | Guerin | fleuret: no, there's a mailing list - debian-legal |
| 12:11.22 | dagnabbit | original motor |
| 12:11.27 | Guerin | see lists.debian.org |
| 12:11.38 | liable | oh legal stuffs.. my bad |
| 12:11.41 | fleuret | I have a general question which I guess has been asked 10 zillion times :) |
| 12:11.43 | seeeS | theres a few aussies here |
| 12:12.12 | snail | fleuret: shoot |
| 12:12.13 | fleuret | so I prefere to avoid to piss off ppl on mailing lists |
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| 12:12.25 | Guerin | dagnabbit: heh. For my honeymoon, my wife and I drove our 1985 1.3 litre 3-door mistubishi mirage hatchback (canary yellow) ~ 3,000km around New Zealand - without valid driver's licenses |
| 12:12.38 | liable | fleuret: why dont you search the mailing lists? |
| 12:12.40 | fleuret | snail: as far as I understand, certain soft are not packaged officially in Debian because they include patented algorithms, correct ? |
| 12:12.45 | fleuret | liable that's a good point |
| 12:12.45 | Guerin | fleuret: go on, then. Piss off the people on irc. |
| 12:12.51 | fleuret | guerin :) |
| 12:12.53 | idnar | anyone know of free software similar to "XML Spy"? |
| 12:13.01 | Guerin | idnar: what does it do? |
| 12:13.14 | seeeS | fleuret: yes, patented stuff can cause problems |
| 12:13.18 | henk | which whould be faster: setting up software raid0 or use lvm with striping ? |
| 12:13.19 | fleuret | guerin I have the feeling there are less people pissed of by what I write here, and it cost less bandwidth and HD :P |
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| 12:13.22 | seeeS | eg LAME |
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| 12:13.40 | Guerin | fleuret: fair enough. |
| 12:13.40 | fleuret | seees : why doesnt Debian create a "patent-free country" package category ? |
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| 12:14.08 | fleuret | seees similar to the non-US stuff ? |
| 12:14.13 | seeeS | fleuret: because master is in the US |
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| 12:14.28 | seeeS | fleuret: and it is hard to know where patents exist and dont |
| 12:14.28 | fleuret | seees can't some servers with those packages be Europe-based ? |
| 12:14.44 | Guerin | fleuret: issues with software patents are minimal enough at this stage - debian only excludes stuff which is a) clearly patented and b) the patent holders are likely to enforce those patents |
| 12:14.45 | dagnabbit | Guerin, thats way cool.. i may have to top that some day with my circumnavigation of australia in my 1974 celica (fully reconditioned using an open source fuel injection system (http://megasquirt.sourceforge.net/) running on distilled ethanol ;) |
| 12:14.54 | seeeS | yeah sure, but is the patent in europe too? |
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| 12:15.03 | fleuret | seee no, there are no such patent in Europe |
| 12:15.06 | fleuret | see |
| 12:15.12 | fleuret | my point is both practical and political |
| 12:15.20 | idnar | Guerin: it does XML validation, has abstract XML document views, support for XSD, that sort of thing |
| 12:15.23 | fleuret | practically, many ppl would love to have mplayer or bladeenc |
| 12:15.30 | fleuret | politically, the European situation is the following |
| 12:15.33 | snail | fleuret: there are such patents in europe |
| 12:15.38 | fleuret | snail no |
| 12:15.45 | fleuret | there are no patent on algorithm in Europe |
| 12:15.47 | Guerin | idnar: emacs does all that |
| 12:15.48 | seeeS | the point is if Debian packages something and the patent hold gets annoyed, they can nail SPI's arse to the wall for decoration |
| 12:15.53 | fleuret | the EPO gives such patent |
| 12:15.53 | Guerin | fleuret: not yet. |
| 12:15.59 | fleuret | but they are no enforcable |
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| 12:16.01 | eye69 | dagnabbit: Do you have problems with cold starting on ethanol? |
| 12:16.05 | fleuret | guerin not for at least 3 years |
| 12:16.12 | fleuret | so this is the political part |
| 12:16.12 | snail | fleuret: some countries in europe all ready allow patenting of some software-embodied business process |
| 12:16.17 | fleuret | snail no |
| 12:16.23 | fleuret | snail the patent offices give those patents |
| 12:16.24 | Guerin | fleuret: unless individual states implement their own legislation |
| 12:16.26 | idnar | Guerin: bleh |
| 12:16.30 | fleuret | but they are not enforcable |
| 12:16.31 | Guerin | idnar: :) |
| 12:16.35 | idnar | Guerin: anything that doesn't require me learning a new OS? ;) |
| 12:16.40 | fleuret | it's like if I decided I can give driving licence |
| 12:16.40 | fleuret | I can |
| 12:16.41 | snail | sorry, not business processes,physical/ control processes |
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| 12:16.46 | Guerin | idnar: i don't know. |
| 12:16.46 | fleuret | but good luck if u drive with it |
| 12:16.49 | yazid-work | WWII missiles ran on ethanol... wonder how many where drank empty before launch ;-) |
| 12:16.52 | seeeS | fleuret: Debian/SPI is also in the US, I don't think they can escape patent problems by just having a server in, say, China. |
| 12:16.59 | fleuret | spi ? |
| 12:17.07 | snail | fleuret: out legal entity |
| 12:17.09 | dagnabbit | eye69, it has known to be a problem.. but no, there are workarounds for that.. alcohol doesnt vaporize correctly when cold.. injection overcomes this, as well as a carb heater |
| 12:17.11 | snail | fleuret: our legal entity |
| 12:17.13 | fleuret | ok |
| 12:17.18 | fleuret | but let's be precise |
| 12:17.27 | fleuret | imagine you'd have a "patent-free.fr.debian.org" |
| 12:17.29 | fleuret | server |
| 12:17.33 | snail | fleuret: this has been discussed at length. your ideas are not new, read the mailing lists |
| 12:17.34 | fleuret | loaded with mplayer & blade & co |
| 12:17.37 | fleuret | snail ok |
| 12:17.45 | Guerin | dagnabbit: eye69: the trick they use in siberia with the old diesels is to light a fire under the car... |
| 12:17.54 | snail | fleuret: i'm not saying they're not good, mind, just not new |
| 12:17.54 | seeeS | Then the patent holders sue SPI in the US |
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| 12:18.08 | Guerin | if it works in temperatures down to -4 degC, it'll work for you in queensland |
| 12:18.16 | fleuret | seees, ok then we are far from my ability to understand things |
| 12:18.18 | jm_ | -4 or -40? |
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| 12:18.30 | dagnabbit | Guerin, planes use a similar technology.. carb heaters, due to the extreme altitudes/low temperatures |
| 12:18.33 | eye69 | dagnabbit: Mmmm. I'm thinking of mounting a fuel pressure regulator to be able to run on pure ethanol. At the moment I'm running on 75% petrol and 25% ethanol |
| 12:18.34 | fleuret | hm |
| 12:18.38 | snail | fleuret: it is complex, in many dimension |
| 12:18.39 | fleuret | maybe I understand in fact |
| 12:18.54 | yazid-work | france has icky laws on crypto I think, that would make matters complicated |
| 12:18.59 | dagnabbit | eye69, you should be able to run on 95% ethanol no problem.. try it ;) |
| 12:19.00 | seeeS | fleuret: or should say may. The problem is that SPI/Debian just doesnt want to take the risk |
| 12:19.03 | jm_ | well that's why lots of cars have extra heaters in Scandinavia, remote controlled or even timer based |
| 12:19.06 | eye69 | dagnabbit: Petrol prices here in Sweden are extremely high. |
| 12:19.11 | fleuret | you mean that the "legal debian entity" (the debian etheral body living in the wonderful parallel universe of the laywers) is US-based ? |
| 12:19.12 | simonrvn | i think he meant -40, too ;) |
| 12:19.23 | snail | fleuret: legal you seem to see most of, but there are social, political, organsiational and software enginerring implications too |
| 12:19.24 | seeeS | fleuret: yes, it is a US entity |
| 12:19.28 | Guerin | oh, that should have been -40 degC |
| 12:19.31 | Guerin | of course |
| 12:19.32 | fleuret | and thus if Debian break some US laws in, say, France, they could be sued in the US ? |
| 12:19.41 | eye69 | dagnabbit: Not without a pressure regulator. It's a Mazda, so I may have to mount a secondary fuel pump as well. |
| 12:19.49 | simonrvn | cars here have heaters in them, so folks can plug them in at night. bware if you didn't plug it in the night before ;) |
| 12:19.53 | snail | fleuret: the US appears to claim global legal domination... |
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| 12:20.00 | fleuret | snail: we have Chirac ;) |
| 12:20.06 | Guerin | fleuret: if you, an american, kill another american in france, are you liable to be prosecuted for murder in america? |
| 12:20.12 | snail | fleuret: you're welcome to keep him |
| 12:20.13 | Guerin | i do believe you are |
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| 12:20.22 | seeeS | fleuret: possibly, a US company cannot bypass US laws by sending it overseas |
| 12:20.22 | fleuret | guerin: I dont know |
| 12:20.36 | snail | seeeS: SPI isn't a company |
| 12:20.39 | Guerin | fleuret: i do; you are. |
| 12:20.44 | liable | doesnt canada have powerpoints you can plug your car into so the radiator doesnt freeze or something. |
| 12:20.49 | fleuret | guerin there are specific regulation for certain crimes such as pedophilia for US breaking laws in foreign countries |
| 12:20.56 | seeeS | fleuret: certainly if you were going for a civil suit, yes you could do it in the US |
| 12:21.08 | Guerin | snail: it's a nonprofti corporation, to which most company law applies |
| 12:21.18 | seeeS | well, its close enough to a company |
| 12:21.27 | fleuret | ok, I partially understand |
| 12:21.31 | simonrvn | liable: just normal extension cord stretching to the heater in the car, from the house/apt. |
| 12:21.57 | fleuret | that's sad |
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| 12:22.05 | seeeS | what is that curious American term for killing, a civil suit for "wrongful death" iirc |
| 12:22.11 | liable | simonrvn: I thought public places had em too. cant remember where I heard that though. |
| 12:22.26 | fleuret | from my point of view, if European ppl do not use the current laws (i.e. NO PATENT ON ALGORITHMS) they are going to be f*cked big time soon |
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| 12:22.41 | simonrvn | either you're mistaken, or i have no clue what you're talking about |
| 12:22.44 | fleuret | they must make an "etat de faits" that patents given by the EPO are null |
| 12:22.57 | Guerin | statement of faith? |
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| 12:22.59 | liable | haha yeah forget it. |
| 12:23.04 | fleuret | no, of facts :) |
| 12:23.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:23.06 | Guerin | ok |
| 12:23.15 | fleuret | they tried to use the opposite argument |
| 12:23.24 | seeeS | fleuret: it sort of has to be that way, otherwise IBM could pirate MS Word and call it "Lotus Word (Euro Edition)" |
| 12:23.24 | fleuret | "the EPO gave 30,000 patents, now you must make them legal" |
| 12:23.31 | fleuret | but the paliament said fuck |
| 12:23.39 | fleuret | seees : there are (C) on software |
| 12:23.42 | nerdy2 | my understanding was not that by law there are no patents on algorithms in the EU, but rather that the patent law that would've governed such things was not approved |
| 12:23.42 | fleuret | no patent on algorithms |
| 12:23.47 | fleuret | those are two different issues |
| 12:23.58 | fleuret | nerdy yes |
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| 12:24.16 | nerdy2 | which means that the patent law of the individual member states is still valid, some of which implement software patents |
| 12:24.22 | seeeS | fleuret: as yes, my mistake. but the point still holds. otherwise there would all these US countries setting up "R&D centres" in china |
| 12:24.32 | Guerin | and the door was left open for individual EU nations to make their own laws regarding this |
| 12:24.53 | fleuret | nerdy no, as far as I know (I may be wrong, but I'd like an example) there are not been ONE example of a company loosing a algorithm-patent related case in Europe |
| 12:25.03 | seeeS | Well in Australia we're royally screwed with patents because we have a near-one-way setup with the US |
| 12:25.04 | simonrvn | losing |
| 12:25.08 | jessiejames | good point seeeS |
| 12:25.09 | fleuret | guerin the 1973 law is very clear |
| 12:25.11 | Guerin | so we may still see sooftware patent enforcement in the EU - apparently the UK has a strong pro-patent lobby, and I'd expect ireland would too, being as it has MS and Intel bases |
| 12:25.22 | fleuret | http://www.european-patent-office.org/legal/epc/e/ar52.html |
| 12:25.23 | yazid-work | seeeS: aren't they already doing this? |
| 12:25.38 | seeeS | yazid-work: the FTA is not fully cranked up yet |
| 12:25.43 | nerdy2 | does london count? |
| 12:25.48 | fleuret | guerin we are not talking about politics, but about laws. There is no example were a patent on algorithm was enforced. Not one. |
| 12:25.51 | nerdy2 | http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/news-ng.asp?n=53358-ishida-loses-patent was my first google hit |
| 12:25.54 | fleuret | there are lobbies on both sides |
| 12:26.03 | yazid-work | seeeS: I mean china |
| 12:26.17 | jessiejames | fleuret: thats because MS hasn't gotten that desparate yet |
| 12:26.31 | fleuret | nerdy ? this is a standard patent stuff, not algorithm |
| 12:26.38 | Guerin | fleuret: no, but my point is that, despite the fact that the EU has not legislated for software patents, individual states are still free to do so. |
| 12:26.42 | seeeS | yazid-work: i suspect there is, not sure about any US-based patent theft through that way. of course there was china-based companies doig it |
| 12:26.48 | fleuret | nerdy there are patents in Europe, we are talking specifically about algorithms, data processing and business methods here |
| 12:26.50 | nerdy2 | oops, didn't read carefuly |
| 12:27.03 | fleuret | guerin yes, but not one has |
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| 12:27.24 | Guerin | fleuret: not yet. |
| 12:27.27 | fleuret | guerin and if you read the 1973 law, this is blulshit that the law is not clear, ppl know it and do not want a judge to read that law and gives its interpretation of ig |
| 12:27.38 | fleuret | anyway |
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| 12:27.44 | seeeS | If you send work over to China you've got about 2 years before your IP gets nicked and the manufacturer becomes your competitor |
| 12:27.50 | Guerin | yeah, this is way offtopic for #debian now |
| 12:27.53 | fleuret | :) |
| 12:28.00 | fleuret | guerin more that heating canadian cars? |
| 12:28.03 | drp|office | nonsense |
| 12:28.04 | fleuret | -t+n |
| 12:28.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:28.11 | seeeS | bah, who cares about canadian cars! |
| 12:28.12 | simonrvn | IP is a bullshit term, why play their game |
| 12:28.15 | Guerin | fleuret: nope, not more than that. |
| 12:28.21 | seeeS | do they make cars in canada anyway? |
| 12:28.23 | fleuret | come on, this is bad faith :) |
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| 12:28.30 | fleuret | no, only mapple sirup |
| 12:28.37 | fleuret | and poutine |
| 12:28.45 | simonrvn | maple syrup |
| 12:28.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:28.51 | fleuret | I was almost correct |
| 12:28.57 | jessiejames | so what about MS patenting pseudo-random number sequences, and providing a user interface to query a computer database.... |
| 12:28.59 | seeeS | i dont think you can drive maple syrup |
| 12:29.09 | fleuret | jessie well, there are geniuses |
| 12:29.22 | simonrvn | close enough for hand grenades, horseshoes, and nuclear weapons |
| 12:29.26 | jessiejames | those are basically algoriths |
| 12:29.28 | Guerin | i just love the patent on the progress bar |
| 12:29.31 | jessiejames | algorithms |
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| 12:29.41 | fleuret | the XOR to display in binary |
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| 12:29.57 | seeeS | so what is rfc1413 about |
| 12:29.58 | fleuret | the best being the jelly / peanut-butter crustless sandwich :) |
| 12:30.10 | fleuret | have u seen that one? |
| 12:30.24 | simonrvn | they want to - and have tried, and are doing so - patent life forms, are you all that surprised they're trying to do the same to maths? |
| 12:30.29 | greycat | but the crust is the best part. |
| 12:30.34 | jessiejames | So lets take a quick concensus: if you agree with what the EU has done, repsond '1', if not respond '0' |
| 12:30.38 | fleuret | greycat man, you should patent that |
| 12:30.42 | jessiejames | 1\ |
| 12:30.44 | Guerin | jessiejames: 0.5 |
| 12:30.45 | fleuret | 0 |
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| 12:30.53 | fleuret | they should have passed Rocard's amendments |
| 12:30.57 | simonrvn | eu sucks |
| 12:30.59 | Guerin | fleuret: exactly |
| 12:31.01 | seeeS | 0 cause they're wusses and didnt just ban them |
| 12:31.04 | stew | badgers |
| 12:31.06 | greycat | !tell jessiejames about bad polls |
| 12:31.06 | Guerin | but this is better than the alternatives |
| 12:31.09 | drp|office | what has the eu done? |
| 12:31.10 | simonrvn | -1 |
| 12:31.17 | jessiejames | lol @ seeeS |
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| 12:31.30 | fleuret | On April 8, 2005, "the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit rejected an effort by J.M. Smucker Co. to patent its process for making pocket-size peanut butter and jelly pastries called Uncrustables. " |
| 12:31.31 | fleuret | :) |
| 12:31.43 | fleuret | GOD BLESS AMERICA |
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| 12:31.46 | fleuret | blesses? |
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| 12:31.49 | simonrvn | EU is just a free trade deal like NAFTA |
| 12:31.50 | fleuret | anyway |
| 12:31.53 | jharrisonwk | america is messed up |
| 12:31.53 | fleuret | time to work |
| 12:31.58 | fleuret | thx for your time, gentlemen |
| 12:31.59 | greycat | NAFTA has nothing to do with Free trade. |
| 12:32.02 | egg|coffeebreak | work? |
| 12:32.04 | jessiejames | later fleuret |
| 12:32.06 | fleuret | or misses for what I know |
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| 12:32.08 | fleuret | c u |
| 12:32.15 | jharrisonwk | not as bad as the rest of the world though |
| 12:32.18 | seeeS | isnt NAFTA about getting cheap labour from mexicans? |
| 12:32.19 | jharrisonwk | but its getting there |
| 12:32.27 | Guerin | !tell fleuret about away |
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| 12:32.29 | jessiejames | you are correct seeeS |
| 12:32.35 | jharrisonwk | seeeS: nafta has to do with canada too |
| 12:32.39 | egg|coffeebreak | what cheap? |
| 12:32.50 | fleuret | hm |
| 12:33.01 | greycat | NAFTA is about *restricting* trade by forcing it to occur only within north america instead of allowing the rest of the wrold |
| 12:33.02 | fleuret | dpkg is an unpleasant bot :) |
| 12:33.02 | seeeS | hmm, what do they trade with canada? |
| 12:33.09 | fleuret | I type my shhhhhht by hand |
| 12:33.10 | greycat | !fuck fleuret |
| 12:33.12 | jessiejames | jharrisonwk: the only thing that Canada brings to US citizens is cheap prescription drugs |
| 12:33.19 | simonrvn | seeeS: yes, suck canada dry of its water and trees, and depress the economies enough that any manual llabour is paid crap, if they're paid at all - in all participating countries |
| 12:33.20 | jessiejames | and thats about it |
| 12:33.21 | greycat | seeeS: beer? :) |
| 12:33.22 | egg|coffeebreak | I know where is cheap |
| 12:33.25 | jharrisonwk | jessiejames: yes I know |
| 12:33.26 | fleuret | he's trying to be nice? :) |
| 12:33.40 | Nolius_ | bye |
| 12:33.53 | jharrisonwk | jessiejames: but canadians can get a work permit at the us/canada or us/mexico border under the terms of NAFTA |
| 12:33.54 | simonrvn | don't get me started on the FTAA |
| 12:33.56 | seeeS | greycat: yes it could be beer, it was very bleak travelling US until we got into Canada: "real food!" "real beer!" |
| 12:34.14 | jessiejames | jharrisonwk: the mexican population has done more for the US economy that canada by leaps and bounds |
| 12:34.15 | egg|coffeebreak | confused |
| 12:34.26 | seeeS | i think they import those giant geese from canada too |
| 12:34.27 | jharrisonwk | jessiejames: ok thats great |
| 12:34.30 | jharrisonwk | jessiejames: what do I care? |
| 12:34.32 | Guerin | woah |
| 12:34.34 | jessiejames | seeeS: the south has whisky |
| 12:34.42 | jessiejames | gooooood whisky |
| 12:34.43 | simonrvn | seeeS: it's natural, it's called migration |
| 12:34.47 | egg|coffeebreak | north? |
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| 12:34.56 | Guerin | we're into the realms of '$country is better than $other_country' now |
| 12:35.13 | internat | lol |
| 12:35.15 | Guerin | jessiejames: the south doesn't have whisky |
| 12:35.20 | Guerin | only scotland has whisky |
| 12:35.21 | seeeS | simonrvn: laazy bloody things, they migrate south, get to US "bugger going to Argentina, lets stay here" |
| 12:35.26 | jharrisonwk | thats what happens when you're a #debian luser |
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| 12:35.29 | jessiejames | Guerin: thats called scotch |
| 12:35.47 | egg|coffeebreak | US wisky = ? |
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| 12:35.51 | Guerin | jessiejames: ok, there is SOME whisky in the US. But by and large it's whiskey. |
| 12:35.52 | simonrvn | seeeS: hardly, they go back north for the spring ;) |
| 12:36.04 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: clearly you have never heard of jack daniels or jim beam |
| 12:36.05 | greycat | @dict whiskey |
| 12:36.05 | seeeS | simonrvn: canada is not that far away |
| 12:36.08 | jessiejames | Guerin: im talking about made in a copper vat with corn mash |
| 12:36.09 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'whiskey' (2 of 5): a liquor made from fermented mash of grain ;; \Whis"key\, n. Same as {Whisky}, a liquor. [1913 Webster] Whiskey. |
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| 12:36.21 | Guerin | nope |
| 12:36.26 | jharrisonwk | there is canadian whiskey too |
| 12:36.30 | Guerin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky |
| 12:36.32 | simonrvn | seeeS: arctic terns on the other hand ;) |
| 12:36.33 | jessiejames | corn mash whisky is the best |
| 12:36.35 | jharrisonwk | its not all from scotland |
| 12:36.43 | pjn | and there's fosters |
| 12:36.45 | ecidadania15 | @locator |
| 12:36.50 | Guerin | anyway, I am trolling, in case you'd not guessed. |
| 12:36.56 | seeeS | fosters=>kangaroo piss |
| 12:37.07 | jessiejames | lol @ seeeS |
| 12:37.31 | seeeS | oops, ive given away the australian secret ingredient |
| 12:37.48 | pjn | nice, well, what's xxxx then? |
| 12:37.56 | jessiejames | ? |
| 12:37.57 | greycat | 4x |
| 12:38.07 | jessiejames | comes after wwww |
| 12:38.10 | seeeS | xxxx is a bit rough, and older style bber |
| 12:38.12 | simonrvn | 1x2x3x4 ;p |
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| 12:38.17 | greycat | that's 4! |
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| 12:38.35 | seeeS | queensland beer. i prefer the tasmanian ones |
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| 12:39.07 | ecidadania15 | join #mp3 ware |
| 12:39.12 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 12:39.17 | jessiejames | oh jeeze |
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| 12:39.26 | seeeS | mp3 warez. wheee |
| 12:39.27 | simonrvn | @kill ecidadania15 |
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| 12:39.51 | greycat | it's *possible* that that was a typo, but if so, I'll expect an apology from him in /msg |
| 12:39.55 | seeeS | im sure he was just asking about mp3 hardware devices |
| 12:40.02 | jessiejames | im sure |
| 12:40.15 | jessiejames | i have my nomad right here |
| 12:40.51 | seeeS | or where would i find the mp3 player for the CC-licensed music i downloaded |
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| 12:41.02 | greycat | software or hardware player? |
| 12:41.09 | pjn | and I've got my mserv jukebox right here |
| 12:41.13 | greycat | !full monty |
| 12:41.13 | dpkg | The full Monty: ripping with cdparanoia, encoding with vorbis-tools, and playing on a Neuros with Monty's firmware. |
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| 12:42.11 | seeeS | cannot legally have mp3s in australia. funnily enough there are plenty of them in the stores |
| 12:42.24 | greycat | can't legally *have* them? |
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| 12:42.34 | greycat | or can't legally *produce* them without paying for commercial licensed software? |
| 12:42.37 | seeeS | nope, cannot mode-shift, cannot video the tellie either |
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| 12:42.57 | seeeS | i mean if you wrote and played the music and ecoded it then it would be ok |
| 12:43.07 | greycat | well, what do you expect from a nation of criminals? :) |
| 12:43.13 | jm_ | heh |
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| 12:43.16 | greycat | they have to make sure everyone's still a criminal |
| 12:43.32 | jharrisonwk | sounds like they are borderline commies |
| 12:43.37 | Deviouz | hi:) can anyone help me out, my debian install went bananas? |
| 12:43.40 | seeeS | they just ruled that linking to a mp3 file is piracy too |
| 12:44.03 | seeeS | you will have to be more specific about the bananas |
| 12:44.11 | jharrisonwk | Deviouz: running sid? |
| 12:44.17 | Deviouz | well, i downloaded /mirror/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:44.31 | Deviouz | burned it to a cd-r |
| 12:44.34 | simonrvn | certifiably nuts... and greedy |
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| 12:44.46 | yazid-work | well, if you take over a truck or ship carrying CDs or musical instruments by force and threat, I guess THAT would qualify as music piracy.... |
| 12:44.48 | Deviouz | but it saying its not a valid debian cd?? |
| 12:44.53 | egg|coffeebreak | loop mount it |
| 12:45.05 | egg|coffeebreak | make a tarball |
| 12:45.08 | egg|coffeebreak | done |
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| 12:45.23 | seeeS | what is not saying it is a debian CD? you didnt burn the iso as a file to it did you? |
| 12:45.45 | Deviouz | no i burned it as an image as i allways do |
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| 12:45.55 | greycat | yazid-work: arrrrgh, hand over that trombone! |
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| 12:46.24 | RichiH | greycat: s/gh/rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr/ |
| 12:46.27 | seeeS | ok, so did you try to mount the CD and see if there were files in there? |
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| 12:46.48 | raf256 | commend: apt-get remove exim4 will remove exim, right? and fix the problem with long waiting "Starting MTA..." at bootup when no network? |
| 12:47.00 | Deviouz | well i started with the cd inside |
| 12:47.10 | Deviouz | so i should mount it self |
| 12:47.11 | greycat | you don't want to remove your MTA. you want to FIX it. |
| 12:47.23 | seeeS | or the dns setup |
| 12:47.38 | seeeS | inside what? |
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| 12:47.48 | raf256 | greycat: but this WILL fix that one problem rigth? Also a better solution might be to use apt-get install masqmail (instead of exim4) ? |
| 12:47.51 | yazid-work | well, if I *don't* want mail delivered on a system, I will want to remove the MTA ;-) |
| 12:47.57 | Deviouz | i put the cd in and rebooted, then when it scans the cd it say its not valid |
| 12:48.01 | seeeS | i usually: download iso, burn CD, eject CD, stick CD into target PC, turn on target CD |
| 12:48.04 | greycat | raf256: if you prefer a different MTA, sure, use a different one. |
| 12:48.07 | egg|coffeebreak | if I could... I would buy a linux-pre-loaded HDD (with many kinds of distro tarball) |
| 12:48.10 | greycat | install the other one instead of trying to remove exim |
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| 12:48.27 | egg|coffeebreak | i don't need cdr/dvdr |
| 12:48.35 | raf256 | greycat: but both ways WILL actually fix that one problem (despite fact the first one is not very nice) |
| 12:48.40 | Deviouz | well, isn't debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso the right one to start with? |
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| 12:49.15 | seeeS | exim4 is nice because it is simple and small, good for null hosts and the like |
| 12:49.22 | greycat | raf256: don't be a fucking idiot. Please? Pretty please? It's friday. Let's try to be intelligent so we can all have a nice weekend. OK? |
| 12:49.36 | greycat | Deviouz: if you have a "pee cee", yes. |
| 12:49.44 | egg|coffeebreak | ah |
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| 12:49.55 | raf256 | greycat: omg. will it stop the long wait on starting MTA. yes or no? |
| 12:49.57 | egg|coffeebreak | PC? |
| 12:50.03 | seeeS | deviouz: check the md5sums |
| 12:50.10 | greycat | raf256: it WILL REMOVE EVERYTHING THAT DEPENDS ON A MAIL-TRANSPORT-AGENT. |
| 12:50.11 | Deviouz | hmm,? then why dont it work? |
| 12:50.16 | greycat | that includes cron, apache, etc., etc., etc. |
| 12:50.29 | seeeS | you need a MTA, all unix hosts need a mta |
| 12:50.32 | raf256 | greycat: i FUCKING now! Im ONLY asking IF IT WILL STOP FUCKING WAITING WHEN STARTING MTA, god damnit |
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| 12:50.46 | Deviouz | yea, i think i should do that |
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| 12:50.52 | egg|coffeebreak | seeeS, really? |
| 12:50.53 | raf256 | Deviouz: thanx. jeessuuus |
| 12:50.56 | MacNamera | how to install/update apt-get? |
| 12:51.06 | seeeS | starting MTA and a delay has to be caused by the way the system and/or the mta is setup |
| 12:51.12 | raf256 | MacNamera: apt-get realy should be alread on the system |
| 12:51.16 | greycat | seeeS: you know that, and I know that, but... |
| 12:51.22 | raf256 | seeeS: i FUCKING now |
| 12:51.33 | seeeS | know i think you meant |
| 12:51.35 | greycat | raf256: since you know everything, why are you asking us? |
| 12:51.40 | xerophyte | iptables v1.2.3: Bad IP address `192.168.1.221/30' why do i get that error from iptpables whats wrong with that ips subnet |
| 12:51.42 | egg|coffeebreak | raf256, ? |
| 12:51.48 | jessiejames | lol @ greycat |
| 12:51.48 | seeeS | otherwise i really dont want to know what you are doing while ircing |
| 12:51.59 | raf256 | greycat: just wanted a second opionion. will it stop MTA waiting DESPITE THE FUCKING REMOVING of things depending on mta. |
| 12:52.10 | seeeS | xerophyte: the address is not on the bit boundry |
| 12:52.11 | jessiejames | seeeS: hes i FUCKING now |
| 12:52.14 | greycat | raf256: an MTA that has been removed cannot be invoked. So yes. |
| 12:52.16 | egg|coffeebreak | raf256, aye... |
| 12:52.21 | greycat | but it's FUCKING STUPID. |
| 12:52.23 | streuner | raf256: CAPS-LOCK aren't what you want... |
| 12:52.24 | raf256 | greycat: thanks. finally. |
| 12:52.29 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 12:52.31 | seeeS | jessiejames: aw thats nice, some inter #debian love |
| 12:52.31 | raf256 | greycat: I now it is fucking stupid. |
| 12:52.44 | seeeS | is stupid on this channel too? |
| 12:52.46 | xerophyte | seeeS, can you give me more detail |
| 12:52.50 | greycat | !fuck stupid |
| 12:52.51 | raf256 | gaycat - you are plonking self? neat |
| 12:52.52 | egg|coffeebreak | raf256, try debootstrap? |
| 12:52.57 | MacNamera | raf256: ok but when I key in e.g. apt-cache search amsn...it just gives no answer |
| 12:53.02 | xerophyte | seees how can i fix it |
| 12:53.10 | raf256 | egg|coffeebreak: ...what? |
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| 12:53.21 | egg|coffeebreak | raf256, use debootstrap? |
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| 12:53.35 | streuner | hm |
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| 12:53.36 | drac | MacNamera: "apt-setup" and "apt-get update" |
| 12:53.46 | abrotman | !tell terrex about away |
| 12:53.47 | egg|coffeebreak | raf256, small -> big |
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| 12:53.50 | seeeS | xerophyte: 192.168.1.220/30 |
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| 12:54.28 | streuner | What an idiot |
| 12:54.28 | stew | i'd love it if that ban became permanant, hes annoying |
| 12:54.48 | xerophyte | seeeS, 192.168.1.220/30 still says bad |
| 12:54.51 | seeeS | xerophyte: .220 is the network, .221 is a host within the network. iptables is complaing because you are saying ignore bits 0-1 but you are setting bit 0 |
| 12:55.01 | abrotman | !stew++ |
| 12:55.06 | streuner | haha |
| 12:55.10 | MacNamera | k, update = running |
| 12:55.12 | seeeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.19 | terrex | sorry abrotman, i'll set the announce off |
| 12:55.21 | streuner | it seems he has no friends here :-) |
| 12:55.34 | xerophyte | seeeS, its actually in script has many veriables and stuff :( |
| 12:55.44 | gorby | Could some one sujest a cool program to run with apache to generate thumnails from +3meg images |
| 12:56.04 | seeeS | xerophyte: my guess is one of the variables has a typo |
| 12:56.05 | abrotman | gorby: gallery ? |
| 12:56.09 | stew | gorby: imagemagick |
| 12:56.10 | jessiejames | gorby: what scripting languages do you have installed? |
| 12:56.14 | seeeS | xerophyte: is is a shell script? |
| 12:56.20 | gorby | id like a php one if pos |
| 12:56.31 | rixth | Okay, would anyone be kinda enough to take a run through of the installer for a script I've been working on? |
| 12:56.35 | jessiejames | gorby: like abrotman said then: gallery |
| 12:56.38 | amphi | gorby: php + gd can do thate |
| 12:56.40 | gorby | thanks |
| 12:56.44 | amphi | gorby: er, that |
| 12:56.51 | xerophyte | seees true |
| 12:56.51 | abrotman | gorby: you mean a whole app .. or just for one time ? |
| 12:56.56 | gorby | dont want to code its sunny |
| 12:56.58 | gorby | :) |
| 12:57.13 | amphi | gorby: try freshmeat.net perhaps |
| 12:57.20 | seeeS | imagemagick does it |
| 12:57.21 | abrotman | !info gallery sarge |
| 12:57.26 | jessiejames | or sourceforge |
| 12:57.32 | dpkg | gallery: (a web-based photo album written in php), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 6416 kB, Installed size: 22212 kB |
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| 12:57.41 | xerophyte | Seees yes |
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| 12:57.58 | jessiejames | !info gd sarge |
| 12:58.06 | seeeS | xerophyte: run it with -x, eg sh -x myscript it will show what it is doing |
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| 12:58.33 | Lucas_ | Good day |
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| 12:59.04 | jessiejames | hello Lucasd |
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| 12:59.28 | Deviouz | no the md5 is ok |
| 12:59.40 | Lucas_ | I want my home server to use my harddisk as little as possible. It should spin down and stay like that for most of the time. So much rest in my room... Is it possible? The server is not used much, mostly as an internet gateway. |
| 12:59.44 | Deviouz | i also tryed the netinstall but the same thing happens? |
| 13:00.09 | seeeS | deviouz: does your hardwaRE support CD booting? |
| 13:00.20 | Deviouz | yea im sure it does |
| 13:00.31 | valdyn | Lucas_: apt-cache show laptop-mode-tools |
| 13:00.33 | Deviouz | i had slackware on it before |
| 13:00.42 | seeeS | lucas: possible but tricky. you need to do things like fiddle with what files are open and also what is cron doing |
| 13:00.44 | Lucas_ | thanks! |
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| 13:01.18 | Deviouz | could it be bad cd media?+ |
| 13:01.28 | seeeS | deviouz: so the BIOS is complaining the CD is crap? |
| 13:02.01 | Deviouz | it say "this is not an valid debian cd" |
| 13:02.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.05 | greycat | ECHAN |
| 13:02.14 | Deviouz | strange huh? |
| 13:02.30 | seeeS | i've never seen that message before. do you get the lilo prompt? |
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| 13:02.59 | Deviouz | no, its from the cd, hold on, I'll re-check what it say |
| 13:03.13 | SuperFly | where on the debian mirrors is the install path? (doing a network install) |
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| 13:03.36 | jessiejames | Lucas: you could use a knoppix variant |
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| 13:03.55 | seeeS | d6eeef5a49ff851839bc514cc56f305a debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso <== my local mirror md5sum |
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| 13:04.30 | jessiejames | Lucas: any logs could be stored on the hard drive, but for the most part everything else would reside on the CD |
| 13:04.36 | seeeS | superfly: depends on the mirror, shoudl be /debian |
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| 13:05.52 | Deviouz | now it say it cant copy files from the disc? |
| 13:05.56 | Deviouz | lol |
| 13:05.59 | rixth | Okay, final call, can anyone spare 3 minutes to test this script I wrote? |
| 13:06.08 | seeeS | what does the script do? |
| 13:06.13 | Deviouz | strange indeed:/ |
| 13:06.21 | seeeS | i think your CDs are bad |
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| 13:06.34 | seeeS | i have heard of this strangeness with floppy disks |
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| 13:06.48 | Deviouz | no but they are all brand new, I bought a 25 pck less than 4 hours ago |
| 13:06.48 | MacNamera | thanks mates, apt-get works now |
| 13:07.02 | greycat | new doesn't mean they're not shit. |
| 13:07.19 | greycat | a new Ford Pinto is still a Ford Pinto |
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| 13:07.26 | Deviouz | you got a point there |
| 13:07.28 | greycat | (well, assuming they still made new ones) |
| 13:07.34 | SuperFly | ok, looks like it |
| 13:07.42 | SuperFly | it's downolading woody... isn't sarge the latest? |
| 13:07.43 | SuperFly | hrm |
| 13:07.55 | greycat | if your sources.list says woody, it downloads woody. |
| 13:08.06 | greycat | if you chose that broken UK mirror that still has stable->woody, then you should choose another. |
| 13:09.17 | Deviouz | i will burn a new one, maybe then it will work, |
| 13:10.00 | Deviouz | thanx anyway:) |
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| 13:11.49 | pzn | Hi! If I "ln /bin/bash /chroot/users/john/bin/" (hardlink), and next month I do an apt-get update and bash is updated, will the link be kept? (this is related about how dpkg replaces files when updating) |
| 13:11.54 | neper | ok |
| 13:12.30 | pzn | sorry for wrong question: will the link be kept => will bash be upgraded in /chroot/users/john/bin ? |
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| 13:12.52 | Laibsch | Hi, I am trying to create a debianized kernel patch out of the vanilla openmosix patch. I used the source from kernel-patch-debian-logo as a basis. When I run dh_installkpatches I will get an error that the diff file does not exist when it really does. See http://rafb.net/paste/results/suQaYT46.html Anybody have an idea? |
| 13:12.58 | nvz | pzn: of course, why wouldnt it |
| 13:13.12 | neper | ok! |
| 13:13.21 | nvz | pzn: oh .. well thats a different question entirely |
| 13:14.03 | nvz | pzn: but its still linked, so of course its going to use whatever is there |
| 13:15.07 | nvz | Laibsch: are you trying to package the patch or just apply it on your system? |
| 13:15.18 | pzn | nvz, ok, but old bash may be different from newer... so I may miss security fixes... |
| 13:15.37 | SuperFly | woo |
| 13:15.47 | SuperFly | woody installed |
| 13:16.13 | SuperFly | are you guys running sarge on production servers? |
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| 13:16.52 | rixth | SuperFly, yes |
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| 13:17.01 | nerdy2 | nvz, "why wouldn't it" if apt-get rm/unlink's the old bash first (or even implicitly does this by mv'ing the new bash over it), then the link won't be upgraded |
| 13:17.16 | qwertz__ | Hi! Is there a tool for Linux that is similar to Google earth? |
| 13:17.17 | Laibsch | nvz: Just for my system for now. |
| 13:17.25 | nerdy2 | the only way the link would also be upgraded would be if apt-get actually opened up the file and overwrote it, which seems very unlikely |
| 13:17.45 | nvz | nerdy2: apt-get does nothing but downloads packages.. and I dont understand the use of a hardlink anyhow. |
| 13:17.47 | streuner | qwertz__: so google doesn't say anything about? |
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| 13:18.02 | nerdy2 | so my answer (unfamiliar with specifically what apt-get does) is the hardlink'd file would not be modified |
| 13:18.07 | nerdy2 | nvz: and installs them :) |
| 13:18.14 | nvz | nerdy2: no most certainly does not |
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| 13:18.28 | nerdy2 | nvz: through dpkg, sure |
| 13:18.41 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i lo:0 -p udp --dport 1200 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:18.42 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i lo:0 -p udp --dport 27000:27020 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:18.42 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p ALL -j DROP |
| 13:18.42 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i lo:0 -p ALL -j DROPiptables -A INPUT -i lo:0 -p udp --dport 1200 -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:18.57 | setuid | Anyone know when the remaining GUI tools will be ported over to work under X.org? |
| 13:18.59 | n0cturnal | sorry.. oops |
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| 13:19.07 | setuid | Like xine, grip, etc.? |
| 13:19.11 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i lo:0 -p udp --dport 1200 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:19.11 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i lo:0 -p udp --dport 27000:27020 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:19.11 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p ALL -j DROP |
| 13:19.14 | n0cturnal | iptables -A INPUT -i lo:0 -p ALL -j DROP |
| 13:19.16 | nerdy2 | nvz: his question was clear enough though, hard link bash to somewhere else, upgrade it (say with apt-get upgrade), and is the hard linked file modified? |
| 13:19.17 | nvz | n0cturnal: STOP THAT |
| 13:19.18 | valdyn | setuid: that has nothing directly to do with xorg |
| 13:19.33 | n0cturnal | will that work? |
| 13:19.37 | egg|coffeebreak | setuid, what are you talking about? |
| 13:19.39 | setuid | valdyn: Unfortunately, it does. X.org installs an incompatible version of libglu, which none of the other apps can use |
| 13:19.39 | seeeS | WTF are you firewalling lo anyway |
| 13:19.55 | n0cturnal | it's another external interface.. |
| 13:19.58 | greycat | why does he have a lo:0 interface? who aliases loopback? |
| 13:19.58 | valdyn | setuid: no it doesnt, period, its part of the api transition hazzles. |
| 13:20.03 | setuid | For example: libxine1: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not going to be installed or libglu1 |
| 13:20.24 | egg|coffeebreak | setuid, but mine is ok? strange |
| 13:20.29 | nvz | greycat: the kind of idiot who pastes the same stuff twice without reading the /topic |
| 13:20.29 | pzn | nerdy2, yes, the question is how dpkg works... does it overwrite the original file, or unlink/rm the old and create a new one... |
| 13:20.36 | setuid | Right, so the API required to make X.org functional, breaks lots of apps that were expecting other libs. |
| 13:20.37 | seeeS | i mean if the evil hacker is sending bad packets to lo then you are 0wnzed anyway |
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| 13:20.57 | qwertz__ | streuner, just people asking for a linux version |
| 13:21.09 | valdyn | setuid: i meant abi not api, it has nothing to do with xorg. |
| 13:21.10 | nvz | greycat: its obvious by the lack of reading the /topic and the fact he doesnt understand iptables, he cannot read.. |
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| 13:21.20 | nerdy2 | pzn, yea and i personally don't know :), but i would be shocked if it didn't mv over it |
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| 13:21.32 | valdyn | setuid: you could recompile yourself or wait for the maintainer, that shouldnt take long. |
| 13:21.33 | eXa_bOy | good evening all :) |
| 13:21.36 | setuid | valdyn: xorg removed some libraries that other apps needed, and replaced them with incompatible versions. |
| 13:21.38 | n0cturnal | my lo:0,etc interfaces are extra routes i have pointing to my box |
| 13:21.39 | setuid | Hence, its an xorg problem. |
| 13:21.57 | setuid | valdyn: I've been building things from source to fix it already, but its a hassle. |
| 13:22.08 | setuid | There's over 100 separate packages so far that have been dumped and are in limbo |
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| 13:22.20 | setuid | I had to uninstall 526 packages just to get xorg on here, not fun. |
| 13:22.27 | streuner | qwertz__: http://desktop.google.com/download/earth/index.html |
| 13:22.29 | stew | setuid: welcome to sid |
| 13:22.40 | valdyn | setuid: that hassle is announced, its the abi transition due to unstable switching to gcc-4.0, its announced, no one forced you to use unstable |
| 13:22.40 | streuner | qwertz__: there is NO Linux version |
| 13:22.42 | setuid | stew: I've been running Sid for 1/2 a decade or more, I'm used to the pain. |
| 13:22.42 | greycat | setuid: the xorg *server* didn't need those libs. |
| 13:22.49 | eXa_bOy | i got a simple issue with my poor debian server... i do a apt-get -f install and it dies trying to fix webmin, i get an Out of Memory error :( can anyone help please :) |
| 13:22.50 | setuid | This is like the libc5 -> libc6 switch ;) |
| 13:22.52 | seeeS | i have seen lo aliased when you use load balancers |
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| 13:23.00 | egg|coffeebreak | gcc-4.0 abi ... |
| 13:23.01 | rixth | DONT USE GOOGLE DESKTOP SEARCH. Geez. |
| 13:23.09 | jm_ | eXa_bOy: try /msg dpkg mmap |
| 13:23.15 | egg|coffeebreak | rixth, ^^ |
| 13:23.15 | streuner | rixth: Why not? |
| 13:23.18 | setuid | greycat: Sure it did, that's precisely what removed the others from xfree86. |
| 13:23.20 | sml | if anyone here is good with cisco's i wouldn't mind asking them a question in private, i'm sure its a very simple answer to a complicted question! I'm sure someone here is good with IOS , it's a hunch ;-) |
| 13:23.26 | qwertz__ | streuner, that's the reason if there is something similar |
| 13:23.31 | greycat | !depends xserver-xorg sid |
| 13:23.35 | nvz | lilo must be asleep.. its been nearly 7 hours since he said the same thing in global notice .. he was going about every 3 hours |
| 13:23.35 | egg|coffeebreak | rixth, CIA in gooogle? |
| 13:23.37 | rixth | streuner, security. Last time I knew it was full of holes. |
| 13:23.46 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: depends on xserver-common (>= 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libxau6, libxdmcp6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
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| 13:23.53 | greycat | oh, how odd. |
| 13:23.55 | rixth | Plus it contains the same spyware as the Google toolbar. |
| 13:23.59 | greycat | since when does an X server use X libs?? |
| 13:24.03 | greycat | I guess "since X.org" |
| 13:24.14 | valdyn | setuid: the only 'special' thing is that the xorg maintainers chose to *rename* the package differently than is specified by the abi transition 'guidelines' |
| 13:24.20 | Laibsch | nvz: Just for my system for now. |
| 13:24.30 | greycat | !depends xserver-xfree86 sarge |
| 13:24.36 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: depends on xfree86-common, xserver-common (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 13:24.41 | greycat | see. |
| 13:24.41 | setuid | Yep |
| 13:25.13 | greycat | valdyn: are any of the X libs C++ based? |
| 13:25.18 | greycat | valdyn: I thought they were all C |
| 13:25.27 | valdyn | greycat: no, but hes complaining about libglut |
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| 13:25.33 | eXa_bOy | how do i copy text from irc? lol |
| 13:25.47 | egg|coffeebreak | mark -> paste |
| 13:25.50 | greycat | eXa_bOy: lol the same lol way you lol copy it lol from any other lol application lol |
| 13:25.52 | setuid | Something that libglu1 requires, was removed by xorg, and replaced with a version that is incompatible. I"m sure it'll be fixed. |
| 13:25.56 | DoppelGanger | wtf |
| 13:26.15 | setuid | !depends libglu1-xorg sid |
| 13:26.18 | eXa_bOy | nice one |
| 13:26.19 | dpkg | libglu1-xorg: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), xlibmesa-gl | libgl1 |
| 13:26.21 | stew | who is mark? |
| 13:26.30 | egg|coffeebreak | setuid, hehehehehehhehehhehehhehehhehehehe |
| 13:26.36 | greycat | stew: he lives inside cron |
| 13:26.44 | stew | heh |
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| 13:26.48 | greycat | every 20 minutes he tries to escape |
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| 13:26.56 | n0dez | anyone knows when kde 3.4.1 will make it to unstable? |
| 13:27.10 | valdyn | greycat: and for some reason i dont understand atm they didnt append c2 to the package name but also renamed it to libglu1 from xlibmesa-glu |
| 13:27.13 | xirtam_ | i changed to xorg (sid) are this fancy stuff like xcompmgr and transset allready included in debian ... ? |
| 13:27.15 | n0dez | kde is still at 3.2.2 on unstable :( |
| 13:27.24 | HmJ | i wonder why my perl script (which uses mysql over dbi) gets terminated? |
| 13:27.24 | abrotman | n0dez: #debian-kde |
| 13:27.28 | HmJ | ulimit unlimited |
| 13:27.32 | greycat | xirtam_: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/ |
| 13:27.33 | n0dez | ok |
| 13:27.36 | n0dez | thx |
| 13:27.58 | eXa_bOy | the correct answer was... highlight text with cursor and then press ctrl+c... |
| 13:28.01 | eXa_bOy | thanks anyways |
| 13:28.18 | puetzk | n0dez: 3.3.2, actually |
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| 13:29.05 | eXa_bOy | <_jm> that hasnt helped mate. |
| 13:29.08 | xirtam_ | greycat: no word about transset there ... ;( |
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| 13:30.01 | eXa_bOy | webmin is an annoying piece of crap, stuffed my pkg... |
| 13:30.05 | greycat | xirtam_: then I suggest an empirical test |
| 13:30.17 | greycat | !webmin |
| 13:30.17 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 13:30.37 | n0dez | puetzk: i meant that version. it's old anyway :( |
| 13:30.54 | nvz | Laibsch: kernel-package can apply patches without you going through the whole debian make process, just to install a patch then doing it all over again |
| 13:30.58 | Guerin | xcompmgr and transset are/should be separate packages or binaries |
| 13:31.15 | Guerin | in ubuntu they're separate packages; i presume this is the case in debian too |
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| 13:31.21 | eXa_bOy | lol greycat |
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| 13:32.10 | xirtam_ | Guerin: but not in apt ? |
| 13:32.34 | eXa_bOy | anyone able to spare 5 minutes, it would be much appreciated. |
| 13:32.50 | DoppelGanger | sorry i can only spare 2 seconds |
| 13:32.54 | DoppelGanger | times up |
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| 13:33.06 | pzn | eXa_bOy, if you post your question, maybe :-) |
| 13:33.12 | eXa_bOy | in here? |
| 13:33.28 | eXa_bOy | last time i did that i got booted by some trigger happy admin :P |
| 13:33.30 | DoppelGanger | no not in here |
| 13:33.34 | DoppelGanger | over there |
| 13:33.40 | nvz | since when does anyone have to press Ctrl+C to copy text |
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| 13:33.56 | DoppelGanger | dunno lets ask eXa_bOy |
| 13:33.57 | nvz | unless you are using a stupid OS like windows |
| 13:34.23 | eXa_bOy | ha ha yes its a means to an end though |
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| 13:34.54 | scarynetworkguy | !tell eXa_bOy about ask. |
| 13:35.07 | nvz | thats a means to end of your stupidity |
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| 13:36.25 | electro | hello |
| 13:36.39 | eXa_bOy | ok heres my question. ive tried to do an apt-get -f install and its cracking the s**ts over debian... Unpacking webmin (from .../webmin_1.180-3_all.deb) ... |
| 13:36.39 | eXa_bOy | Out of memory! |
| 13:36.39 | eXa_bOy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.50 | greycat | so add some more swap |
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| 13:36.57 | eXa_bOy | tried that |
| 13:36.59 | doub | hi there |
| 13:37.08 | Laibsch | nvz: I know about kernel-package. That is the whole reason I am going through this exercise. AFAIK make-kpkg can only apply debianized kernel patches. Thus I am trying to debianize the stock openmosix patch. |
| 13:37.15 | eXa_bOy | as someone pointed me to dpkg straight up |
| 13:37.17 | argvv | hrm how do you change the menu fonts in firefox in gentoo I just used gtk2-theme-switch and it changed them, on debian it doesn't appear to work. |
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| 13:37.40 | nvz | Laibsch: oh, I see. |
| 13:37.41 | Kventa | Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is calling on federal regulators to investigate the latest version of "Grand Theft Auto," a popular video game series that allows players to go on simulated crime sprees. < rofl ^_~ |
| 13:37.45 | Kventa | oops |
| 13:37.48 | Kventa | Wrong channel |
| 13:37.48 | jm_ | eXa_bOy: no, that has got nothing to do with this - you didn't paste full error so I assumed it was a known thing, but it's not |
| 13:37.50 | greycat | Neil wants to move those 3 blows from the class into the Weaponmastery skill |
| 13:37.53 | greycat | BAH! |
| 13:37.56 | drac | Laibsch: Huh? Just apply the patch, and then run make-kpkg.. I don't see any problem. |
| 13:38.04 | nvz | Kventa: two day old news |
| 13:38.17 | eXa_bOy | ok ill pm you and post full error |
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| 13:38.29 | jm_ | no paste in #flood or using /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:38.36 | electro | do you always have to trust what you get with apt-get or do you download the md5sum appart and then check it? |
| 13:38.36 | nvz | Kventa: you sould have seen the picture they had of her in the paper.. with her mouth wide open like Monica Lewinsky |
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| 13:39.08 | Laibsch | drac: The problem is I do not want to "stain" the kernel sources and I want to do this many times in the future. Sometimes applying the patch, sometimes not applying the patch. That is the whole logic behind make-kpkg. |
| 13:39.19 | nvz | Kventa: someone should tell her she put the free world in jeopardy because she couldnt do that a few years back |
| 13:39.21 | eXa_bOy | hmm... this is new to me... here goes. |
| 13:39.25 | superlinux | hi all |
| 13:39.39 | superlinux | my system mouse hangs for a while and i have to wait a little until it moves. i have not done anything heavy on my PC. this happens once only on every boot. so what's going on? i even checked many times my process list nothing speacial found. |
| 13:39.51 | superlinux | i am using sarge |
| 13:40.15 | nvz | superlinux: wireless optical mouse? |
| 13:40.15 | snail | is there an argument to apt to get it to install packages ingoring the lack of the new authentication ? |
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| 13:40.38 | snail | n/m --allow-unauthenticated it is |
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| 13:40.46 | Guerin | snail: if there is, it'll be documented in man apt :) |
| 13:40.53 | ellobo | hi... |
| 13:40.53 | Guerin | heh, there it is :) |
| 13:41.12 | superlinux | no |
| 13:41.15 | jm_ | SuperFly: did you try using hdparm -u with your IDE drives? if you have them that is and read the man page first |
| 13:41.16 | superlinux | normal wheel |
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| 13:41.21 | jm_ | superlinux ^^^^^ |
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| 13:41.25 | superlinux | guinus |
| 13:41.28 | jm_ | SuperFly: sorry, that was not for you |
| 13:41.30 | MacNamera | how to install an rpm package? |
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| 13:41.31 | superlinux | genius |
| 13:41.36 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 13:41.41 | greycat | MacNamera: first, you install red hat. |
| 13:41.45 | eXa_bOy | #flood |
| 13:41.45 | snail | Guerin: i was looking at man apt-get on the wrong box ;) |
| 13:41.46 | DoppelGanger | MacNamera: rpm -ivh package |
| 13:41.46 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
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| 13:41.57 | Kventa | nvz; Just looking through the news on the last few days, was a bit busy... Which paper is that? Times? |
| 13:41.58 | eXa_bOy | how the fk do i use #flood |
| 13:42.00 | nvz | greycat: fedora? |
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| 13:42.06 | FieldySnuts | when I make a tar.bz2 via tar cj somedir -f somedir.tar.bz2 , what level of compression isused? the default (-6) I'm guessing? |
| 13:42.09 | superlinux | even my keyboard wont respond |
| 13:42.11 | greycat | nvz: or that. |
| 13:42.12 | nvz | Kventa: yeah. |
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| 13:42.25 | greycat | FieldySnuts: when in doubt, use bzip2 yourself |
| 13:42.27 | Guerin | snail: heh |
| 13:42.35 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: default is -9 |
| 13:42.38 | simonrvn | yeh, default |
| 13:42.43 | FieldySnuts | greycat: unfortunately I don't have the space to make a tar first |
| 13:42.45 | Kventa | ahkeybdbattwentoff |
| 13:42.48 | Guerin | -9 is reeeeally slow |
| 13:42.49 | ellobo | is there something wrong with unstable ? i am installing from scratch from the main stream (http.us.debian.org) and i am getting errors in the kde packages ... |
| 13:42.49 | FieldySnuts | jm_: okay, i was hoping that |
| 13:42.56 | J_P | people, I install Gosa, and show message about Suggested packages: php4-kadm5 php4-cups. Then i try after install the sugested packages, but apt-get install php4-kadm5 php4-cups not exist cadidate packages.. why this ? |
| 13:43.05 | greycat | FieldySnuts: pipes. |
| 13:43.10 | nvz | ellobo: no, its just unstable. go figure |
| 13:43.13 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: you can pipe it via stdin if you don't have space |
| 13:43.16 | Guerin | ellobo: it's unstable. these thing happen. INstall testing and upgrade if you think you're 'ard enough. |
| 13:43.18 | FieldySnuts | that's true |
| 13:43.24 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I thought you were experienced enough to know the Right Way of making tarballs! |
| 13:43.28 | FieldySnuts | thanks for the suggestions. -9 is what i want, however, and i've alreaady started |
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| 13:43.29 | nvz | ellobo: check the BTS, file a bug. |
| 13:43.40 | FieldySnuts | -9 on 12GB of data, heh, wee |
| 13:43.41 | J_P | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 13:43.41 | J_P | is only available from another source |
| 13:43.41 | J_P | E: Package php4-cups has no installation candidate |
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| 13:43.51 | jason | i wanted to find a package that makes it so that i don't always have to change my ipaddress on my dynamic dns server...is that what the package "ipcheck" is for? |
| 13:43.52 | neper | oi |
| 13:44.00 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite neper |
| 13:44.00 | ravenbird | neper: what the do-dar are you drinking mate |
| 13:44.08 | superlinux | so any one have a soution for me |
| 13:44.15 | superlinux | so any one have a solution for me |
| 13:44.22 | FieldySnuts | yes; stop repeating |
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| 13:44.44 | simonrvn | fuck, 2.5 hours to edit some changelogs, control, .dsc, files, and build them, for 2 packages. *sigh*. oh, and a patch for heimdal |
| 13:45.13 | eXa_bOy | ok ive got an issue, how do i paste a heap of stuff without getting kicked? |
| 13:45.14 | dan1el | I have a laptop with i810 on board audio, in debian/sarge the system sounds all work bu when playing a video clip i get soundsystem not responding or busy /dev/dsp using kde threaded oss |
| 13:45.15 | Angel-SL | I Need help |
| 13:45.21 | simonrvn | (and learning how to use dupload locally ;) |
| 13:45.25 | PeTeRB | eXa_bOy: /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:45.26 | jm_ | eXa_bOy: I told you -- /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:45.27 | FieldySnuts | eXa_bOy: use a pastebin, google for "pastebin" |
| 13:45.34 | FieldySnuts | or /whois paster and use that |
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| 13:46.46 | nvz | dort: does your video player use an Artsd output plugin? |
| 13:47.16 | eXa_bOy | and so i paste it in the dpkg pm? |
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| 13:47.27 | jm_ | no |
| 13:47.33 | jm_ | !tell eXa_bOy -about paste |
| 13:47.39 | dan1el | How to configure firefox/linux to identify as ie/windows? Sounds dum i know but this one website.... |
| 13:47.41 | eXa_bOy | well this isnt making any sense... sorry |
| 13:48.00 | jm_ | dan1el: there's an extension for that which makes it easy - you could always change the user agent yourself |
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| 13:48.03 | dort | nvz maybe? (though i'm guessing your nick autocompletion failed you) |
| 13:48.10 | pureone | dan1el look for a firefox plugin called user agent switcher |
| 13:48.15 | dan1el | ok |
| 13:48.20 | |BudSpencer| | i need some help, i install debian sarge on acer aspire1600 laptop and when i have to select de lenguage the keyboard dosen't works. |
| 13:48.24 | nvz | dort: ? umm no |
| 13:48.34 | djg | This might be a silly question, but could tee cause an command to be slower? |
| 13:48.52 | dort | you really meant me? ok, let me go check |
| 13:48.54 | djg | And if so, significantly? |
| 13:48.54 | tralala | |BudSpencer|: doesn't work? like whatever you press there is no reaction? |
| 13:48.57 | qwertz__ | Is there any way to reexecute /etc/inittab without restarting the system? |
| 13:48.59 | nvz | dort: if you are using kde which has artsd using your OSS you cannot just try using OSS output.. cause its in use.. you have to use artsd output |
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| 13:49.03 | Angel-SL | |BudSpencer|: have u plugged it into the right port and chose the right keyboard layout? |
| 13:49.04 | |BudSpencer| | correct |
| 13:49.10 | dort | nvz, i didn't ask a question |
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| 13:49.28 | dort | i came in immediately before seeing your answer (to someone else's question i guess) |
| 13:49.28 | Angel-SL | then restart |
| 13:49.40 | nvz | dort: then my eyes failed me I guess |
| 13:49.50 | tralala | |BudSpencer|: does it work with other languages? |
| 13:49.53 | nvz | dort: I definatly completed the nick they told me to |
| 13:49.56 | djg | qwertz__: All of it? |
| 13:49.57 | dort | though i'm happy to go check vlc to see what output plugin it uses (for the record, it works fine, as does totem) |
| 13:50.12 | simonrvn | init q; init u is my favourite |
| 13:50.32 | simonrvn | qwertz__: ^^^^ |
| 13:50.33 | cddesjar | hey is there a mailing list or something that i can get on that tells me when updates are made to testing? |
| 13:50.47 | apfel | Is there a way to search a ftp server for specific files, i.e. a "find" command. I'm using ncftp. |
| 13:50.49 | simonrvn | man init |
| 13:50.49 | valdyn | cddesjar: not really |
| 13:51.05 | cddesjar | so basically i just need to run aptitude update once a week or so |
| 13:51.07 | Angel-SL | wierd |
| 13:51.08 | cddesjar | then aptitude upgrade |
| 13:51.16 | Angel-SL | has anyone here compiled XCHat? |
| 13:51.16 | qwertz__ | djg, atm I've vt 1-10, 11 is syslog and 12 X now I'd like to have 1-9 vt, 10 syslog, 11 X for server moitoring and 12 for normal X - changes are done but I need some kind of restart |
| 13:51.18 | cddesjar | ok |
| 13:51.25 | eXa_bOy | how the fk can anyone from this channel see what i paste in #flood... unless your idling |
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| 13:51.37 | cplx | cddesjar: generally there is updates daily for unstable/testing |
| 13:51.42 | simonrvn | qwertz__: init q; init u is my favourite. man init |
| 13:51.45 | nvz | heh |
| 13:51.56 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 13:51.57 | |BudSpencer| | tralala only work when say: "Pres F1 for help, or enter to boot:" hear works but after on the screen to select somthing don't |
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| 13:52.04 | neper | oi |
| 13:52.05 | simonrvn | * eXa_bOy has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 13:52.05 | eXa_bOy | man this is shit! |
| 13:52.06 | djg | qwertz__: Bit beyond me that. :) |
| 13:52.15 | simonrvn | eXa_bOy: i blame your client |
| 13:52.30 | eXa_bOy | i go into #flood and paste my shit and then get kicked... |
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| 13:52.38 | simonrvn | eXa_bOy: use the paste bot, paster then |
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| 13:52.45 | |BudSpencer| | tralala the keyboard is spanish |
| 13:52.48 | eXa_bOy | wtf... what is that? |
| 13:52.55 | simonrvn | do /whois paster |
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| 13:53.09 | simonrvn | (someone already told you this, BTW) |
| 13:53.11 | cddesjar | hmm...probably just not packages that i have installed on my computer then. |
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| 13:53.25 | tralala | |BudSpencer|: did you check linux-on-laptops.com for reports about debian and your acer? |
| 13:53.46 | eXa_bOy | i dotn understand this irc shit |
| 13:53.50 | eXa_bOy | sorry im slow |
| 13:53.54 | Angel-SL | hey |
| 13:53.56 | stew | !paster |
| 13:53.56 | cplx | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 13:53.56 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 13:54.00 | jetx | what's to understand: you type, you read. |
| 13:54.04 | cplx | eXa_bOy: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 13:54.04 | cddesjar | !rpm |
| 13:54.04 | dpkg | it has been said that rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method, or ... |
| 13:54.29 | |BudSpencer| | ok i'll see now. Before i have suse and works perfect. |
| 13:54.33 | seeeS | hmm, relaxing porn movie sounds like something is not working |
| 13:54.43 | eXa_bOy | ok now this is getting better |
| 13:54.49 | Angel-SL | Red Hat? that reminds me of a linux os i used before |
| 13:54.59 | paster | "exa_boy" at 220.239.65.193 pasted "my issue" (33 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/365 |
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| 13:55.06 | jetx | bleu chapeau? |
| 13:55.19 | eXa_bOy | yay!! |
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| 13:55.34 | eXa_bOy | took me long enough :) |
| 13:55.43 | greycat | "muckfuck"? |
| 13:55.44 | seeeS | oh the out of memory thing |
| 13:55.46 | jetx | !congratulate eXa_bOy |
| 13:55.48 | dpkg | Huzzah eXa_bOy, you did it! |
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| 13:55.56 | cplx | !fix eXa_bOy |
| 13:56.00 | jetx | greycat: loosly related to a clusterfuck |
| 13:56.12 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 13:56.32 | greycat | tar: ./config: time stamp 2005-04-16 03:44:32 is 228625094 s in the future |
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| 13:56.38 | greycat | your clock is teh br0ken. |
| 13:56.40 | qwertz__ | simonrvn, thanks will have a look |
| 13:56.57 | eXa_bOy | ok now all can see it. anyone got any idea how i can get my adp-get back to normal? |
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| 13:57.05 | Angel-SL | anyone attempting to compile something on debian? |
| 13:57.05 | seeeS | the clock is broken but it is the OOM that is doing it |
| 13:57.06 | greycat | and I already TOLD YOU to add more swap. |
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| 13:57.11 | greycat | why didn't you even do that? |
| 13:57.17 | eXa_bOy | i do do that! |
| 13:57.22 | greycat | hell, you didn't even include the output of free in the paste |
| 13:57.24 | magnus_ | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 13:57.24 | magnus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.26 | seeeS | the OOM made apt go BOOM |
| 13:57.29 | magnus_ | crap, is it safe to continue? |
| 13:57.31 | eXa_bOy | OK IM SORRY :P |
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| 13:57.40 | simonrvn | Angel-SL: several times this week. all of it worked. amazingly. ;p |
| 13:57.43 | magnus_ | or is there some kind of security breach in debian servers? |
| 13:57.46 | jetx | no it's a virus, abory and low level format your hd |
| 13:57.50 | jetx | abort |
| 13:58.12 | greycat | jetx: don't forget the soap and water. |
| 13:58.18 | nvz | damn credit card people calling to get more money.. ID theft protection |
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| 13:58.29 | Angel-SL | !fix me |
| 13:58.39 | simonrvn | i'm happy i waited for gcc 4 to get more stable |
| 13:58.43 | cddesjar | !shit |
| 13:58.43 | dpkg | well, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 13:58.54 | argvv | heh |
| 13:59.00 | eXa_bOy | nice... |
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| 13:59.01 | Angel-SL | !ass oh my god |
| 13:59.02 | nvz | haha |
| 13:59.07 | simonrvn | that one is funny for the purely grade school type humour |
| 13:59.18 | Angel-SL | !commands |
| 13:59.23 | nvz | Angel-SL: stop it |
| 13:59.30 | MacNamera | rpm package=installed, thanks mates! |
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| 13:59.40 | jetx | it's /msg dpkg help and /msg dpkg listkeys <blah> Angel-SL |
| 13:59.49 | Guerin | MacNamera: arr, mates! |
| 13:59.55 | paster | "exa_boy" at 220.239.65.193 pasted "my issue-ctd" (35 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/366 |
| 14:00.18 | MacNamera | guerin: mates is austrian slang :-) |
| 14:00.20 | dan1el | laptop with i810 audio sarge/kde threaded sound system system sounds work but when playing video /dev/dsp busy output to null! IdeaS? |
| 14:00.26 | eXa_bOy | greycat that better? |
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| 14:00.30 | jetx | !webmin |
| 14:00.30 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 14:00.41 | Guerin | MacNamera: no ... really? |
| 14:00.46 | simonrvn | @bed me |
| 14:00.48 | nvz | jetx: we seen that on this issue earlier |
| 14:00.52 | jetx | oh |
| 14:00.55 | jetx | i wasn't here |
| 14:00.56 | MacNamera | Guerin: yep |
| 14:01.04 | Guerin | MacNamera: next you'll be asking me to tie a kangaroo down in order to play some kind of sport... |
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| 14:01.16 | greycat | eXa_bOy: uh... where is the output of free, then? |
| 14:01.20 | simonrvn | though she isn't stoned, but asleep too. later |
| 14:01.23 | MacNamera | Guerin: :-) |
| 14:01.27 | eXa_bOy | whats the cmd? |
| 14:01.28 | jetx | Guerin: as the person with the most experience in that area, of course he is... |
| 14:01.34 | greycat | FREE |
| 14:01.38 | eXa_bOy | LOL |
| 14:01.39 | Guerin | jetx: bleedin' oath mate |
| 14:01.42 | nvz | a hot non-stoned chix0r would be nice |
| 14:01.50 | Guerin | greycat: unix is case sensitive, mmkay |
| 14:01.50 | liable | dan1el: what do you mean by threaded sound? |
| 14:02.04 | eXa_bOy | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 14:02.04 | MacNamera | Guerin: oeps... I mean Australian slang...\ |
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| 14:02.19 | seeeS | time for swapon |
| 14:02.20 | Angel-SL | don't |
| 14:02.24 | Guerin | MacNamera: oh, that's what I read anyways |
| 14:02.25 | cddesjar | could someone recommend a bit torrent client with a nice gui that isn't as bloated as azureus |
| 14:02.34 | jetx | bittornado functions |
| 14:02.35 | dan1el | Thats the sound system selectted in control center that partly works |
| 14:02.35 | Angel-SL | eXa_bOy |
| 14:02.39 | Guerin | cddesjar: no such thing as a nice gui |
| 14:02.43 | eXa_bOy | thats my name |
| 14:02.44 | MacNamera | Guerin: no problem |
| 14:02.45 | adaran | i want to back up a hd, each partition into a single file (i've got three). if i want to backup the partition table too, how many bytes at the start of /dev/hda do i have to copy? 512? |
| 14:02.45 | greycat | 09:57 greycat> and I already TOLD YOU to add more swap. |
| 14:02.46 | greycat | 09:57 greycat> why didn't you even do that? |
| 14:02.47 | greycat | 09:57 eXa_bOy> i do do that! |
| 14:02.49 | jetx | it's not pretty but it works |
| 14:02.51 | Guerin | cddesjar: i recommend rtorrent |
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| 14:03.02 | Angel-SL | !fix eXa_bOy |
| 14:03.12 | jetx | i was gonna try that new torrent thing that depends on libtorrentblah |
| 14:03.12 | eXa_bOy | i think i need to reboot the server. |
| 14:03.13 | cddesjar | is rtorrent debian packaged? |
| 14:03.20 | eXa_bOy | how can it have a 0 swap. |
| 14:03.21 | dan1el | other posibilitys standard oss, alsa, network audio, autodetect aso |
| 14:03.23 | Angel-SL | dont 'smack' your head |
| 14:03.24 | jetx | that might be rtorrent |
| 14:03.31 | jetx | !depends rtorrent |
| 14:03.31 | eXa_bOy | sorry |
| 14:03.34 | nvz | cddesjar: packages.debian.org |
| 14:03.42 | tralala | eXa_bOy: if it is a windows server you need to do it daily |
| 14:03.45 | seeeS | well, 0 swap means you have no swap or have not turned it on |
| 14:03.48 | jetx | there was a new one in sid last night |
| 14:03.48 | tralala | otherwise I doubt it |
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| 14:03.53 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 14:04.15 | solemnwarning | what package do i need for cups to support smb printers? |
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| 14:04.21 | jetx | eXa_bOy: try swapon -a as root |
| 14:04.26 | eXa_bOy | tralala is a woody box mate |
| 14:04.27 | cddesjar | what about bittornado? |
| 14:04.35 | jetx | cddesjar: never heard of it |
| 14:04.37 | Guerin | !rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very fast bittorrent client. It's not yet in debian, but the person who's applied to be maintainer has debianised sources at http://debian.mayhq.org/debian/ and sid packages at deb http://debian.mayhq.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 14:04.37 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 14:04.40 | jetx | /lastlog jetx |
| 14:04.52 | greycat | Guerin: is it curses based or GUI? |
| 14:05.04 | jetx | the new sid one is ncurses |
| 14:05.06 | caphuso | rtorrent is in sid |
| 14:05.07 | tralala | eXa_bOy: then you don't need to reboot it unless you want to run a new kernel |
| 14:05.09 | eXa_bOy | jetx i did that |
| 14:05.12 | Guerin | dpkg, rtorrent =~ s/fast/efficient curses-based/ |
| 14:05.12 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 14:05.16 | solemnwarning | what package do i need for cups to support smb printers? |
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| 14:05.37 | Guerin | greycat: curses, and orders of magnitude less ram and cpu usage than bittorrent/tornado |
| 14:05.41 | cddesjar | nope...no rtorrent package |
| 14:05.42 | Angel-SL | nvz: what client are you sing? |
| 14:05.42 | dan1el | liable: Thats the selectsed sound system in kde control system the only one that is partly working |
| 14:05.45 | ekix | Hi! How can I ask apt/dpkg/whatever what files are in a package that is not installed? |
| 14:05.48 | Guerin | cddesjar: read above |
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| 14:05.50 | greycat | speaking of torrent, this one's already been re-seeded at nearly 3:1, so it's time to yank it |
| 14:05.53 | caphuso | ekix: apt-file |
| 14:05.58 | jetx | ekix: apt-file |
| 14:05.59 | ekix | caphuso, thanks :) |
| 14:06.06 | nvz | Angel-SL: wtf are you talking about? |
| 14:06.06 | dan1el | liable: other options also network auto aso |
| 14:06.08 | solemnwarning | does any1 know???? |
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| 14:06.13 | Guerin | !any1 |
| 14:06.14 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 14:06.15 | cddesjar | ok thanks |
| 14:06.15 | eXa_bOy | greycat echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "12582912";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf <--- is that the best way to do it? |
| 14:06.16 | jetx | gd passwd and login just keep getting updated in sid |
| 14:06.20 | rajasun|nap | rtorrent is in incoming |
| 14:06.23 | Angel-SL | nvz: usong* |
| 14:06.25 | solemnwarning | does anyone know???? |
| 14:06.26 | Angel-SL | using* |
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| 14:06.30 | Angel-SL | irssi? |
| 14:06.30 | Guerin | rajasun|nap: ah, awesome |
| 14:06.33 | greycat | if rtorrent can give me solid RELIABLE stats on how much uploading I've done on each file (like bittorrent does), but ALSO let me control the TOTAL upload rate (like bittornado does), I'll be happy. |
| 14:06.34 | nvz | Angel-SL: again, wtf are you talking about |
| 14:06.35 | jetx | yes rtorrent is in sid |
| 14:06.42 | jetx | that's the one i meant |
| 14:06.42 | rajasun|nap | ;) |
| 14:06.49 | greycat | eXa_bOy: man mkswap; man swapon |
| 14:06.49 | jetx | with the libtorrent dep |
| 14:06.53 | greycat | you fool. |
| 14:06.55 | liable | dan1el: if the kde stuff is using sound, then nothing else can for a certain time period. Try xmms after waiting a whil.. |
| 14:06.55 | Angel-SL | nvz: what type of irc client are u using !>!?!!??!?!?/1 |
| 14:06.57 | Guerin | greycat: it has built-in real-time throttle controls |
| 14:07.02 | solemnwarning | what package do i need for cups to support smb printers? |
| 14:07.06 | nvz | Angel-SL: /whois nvz |
| 14:07.08 | nvz | ffs |
| 14:07.09 | jetx | !irritate Angel-SL |
| 14:07.10 | dpkg | Angel-SL: wenas how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 14:07.13 | Guerin | greycat: i don't much know about reporting, since i don't care how much i upload :) |
| 14:07.13 | greycat | eXa_bOy: man -k swap |
| 14:07.22 | dan1el | liable: really ok trying |
| 14:07.29 | liable | solemnwarning: none. |
| 14:07.29 | Angel-SL | !fix jetx |
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| 14:07.33 | Guerin | !find rtorrent sid |
| 14:07.37 | nvz | Angel-SL: er /version nvz |
| 14:07.40 | greycat | Guerin: if you don't output as much as you input, you're part of the problem. |
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| 14:07.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rtorrent' returned no results. |
| 14:07.46 | jetx | Guerin: dpkg doesn't know yet |
| 14:07.49 | solemnwarning | cups dont have smb as an option when adding printer under deb |
| 14:07.51 | solemnwarning | why? |
| 14:07.53 | seeeS | solemnwarning: smbcliemy |
| 14:07.53 | jetx | but it's in sid |
| 14:07.55 | seeeS | bah |
| 14:07.57 | seeeS | smbclient |
| 14:07.58 | Guerin | greycat: no ... i mean, i don't care about limiting my upload |
| 14:07.59 | nvz | I am half way out the door and people are asking me stupid random questions |
| 14:08.02 | greycat | Guerin: oh. |
| 14:08.03 | caphuso | $ apt-cache policy rtorrent | grep 500 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 14:08.08 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 14:08.08 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. |
| 14:08.17 | greycat | Guerin: since I share on so MANY networks, I have to carefully ration how much I'm willing to donate to bittorrent |
| 14:08.29 | Guerin | greycat: heh |
| 14:08.31 | eXa_bOy | when i installed this fkn server i setup a swap... wtf did it go... lol |
| 14:08.34 | jetx | !greycat++ |
| 14:08.37 | greycat | eXa_bOy: man fstab |
| 14:08.39 | Angel-SL | nvz: did you know i have ctcp u 3 times? |
| 14:08.42 | rajasun|nap | Guerin: http://incoming.debian.org/ for rtorrent...should be a day or 2 |
| 14:08.48 | Angel-SL | !Angel-sl's internet |
| 14:08.52 | eXa_bOy | ta |
| 14:08.56 | nvz | Angel-SL: I'm not going to care I am leaving |
| 14:08.59 | bemused0 | Guerin, you live in LA or something |
| 14:09.00 | jetx | IT IS IN SID |
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| 14:09.03 | liable | solemnwarning: you have to use //smb:host/printer |
| 14:09.12 | greycat | bemused0: a bit farther west. |
| 14:09.14 | Guerin | greycat: Rate: 429.9 / 9.7 # kb/sec, outbound / inbound :) |
| 14:09.20 | nvz | Angel-SL: stop abusing the bots you obviously arent smart enough to use them. |
| 14:09.24 | solemnwarning | the option to use smb isnt there |
| 14:09.25 | Guerin | bemused0: korea |
| 14:09.30 | bemused0 | aah where else but CA can you get 100mb for 30$mo |
| 14:09.32 | bemused0 | oh |
| 14:09.35 | solemnwarning | i just installed smbclient and still not there |
| 14:09.36 | bemused0 | except korea |
| 14:09.36 | nvz | Angel-SL: at least not pubicly.. |
| 14:09.37 | bemused0 | :) |
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| 14:09.42 | Angel-SL | did u know /me runs a server |
| 14:09.44 | Guerin | rajasun|nap: good news. |
| 14:09.58 | jetx | how many times has it been hacked |
| 14:10.03 | liable | solemnwarning: no, no one can share printers with samba.. you're right... |
| 14:10.11 | Angel-SL | 0 |
| 14:10.12 | solemnwarning | ican under fedora |
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| 14:10.20 | solemnwarning | why dont deb suport? |
| 14:10.23 | kl1 | hi, which mail server is on debian sources? |
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| 14:10.33 | nvz | I'd ask how do you know.. but I really dont care |
| 14:10.34 | Guerin | ... |
| 14:10.37 | liable | solemnwarning: err, I *was* being sarcastic |
| 14:10.41 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 14:10.43 | Dundermusen | Heya... i have installed an sarge with 2.6.8 kernel on a friends machine... and i wanna check if his "SATAII150 TX4" is activated... how do i look for that? |
| 14:10.43 | nvz | nvz's give a shit level is definatly 0 |
| 14:10.48 | Guerin | kl1: default is exim4 |
| 14:10.53 | rajasun|nap | Guerin: for i386, it's already in Sid, ppc will have to wait a few me think |
| 14:10.59 | kl1 | Guerin ok :) |
| 14:11.04 | solemnwarning | what do i need to do to make cups under deb let me use printers on an smb share?? |
| 14:11.12 | Guerin | rajasun|nap: are you the author or maint or somesuch? |
| 14:11.13 | argvv | hm anyone happen to know why the latest fluxbox isn't in unstable yet? |
| 14:11.22 | Guerin | argvv: it's not ready |
| 14:11.32 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.37 | jetx | stfu |
| 14:11.45 | rajasun|nap | Guerin: nope... a big fan ;) |
| 14:11.47 | nvz | who couldnt tell argvv was going to ask about fluxbox? |
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| 14:11.55 | liable | solemnwarning: smb://usernam:password@computer/printername |
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| 14:12.07 | argvv | nvz: me ;] |
| 14:12.10 | eXa_bOy | heres a general question : which user *should* own the www dir? |
| 14:12.13 | solemnwarning | in http://localhost:631 |
| 14:12.16 | nvz | argvv: -!- argvv [fluxthemes@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #debian |
| 14:12.17 | solemnwarning | on add printer....... |
| 14:12.17 | liable | yes |
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| 14:12.18 | jetx | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcurl3 (>= 7.13.1-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libidn11 (>= 0.5.13), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-56 (>= 4.0.1), libtorrent3, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Filename: pool/main/r/rtorrent/rtorrent_0.2.7-1_i386.deb |
| 14:12.23 | |BudSpencer| | can i change the keyboard controler before to proced with the installation? |
| 14:12.28 | solemnwarning | the option to use printer on smb share aint there |
| 14:12.35 | Guerin | narg, time for teh sleeps |
| 14:12.37 | solemnwarning | the menu has local printers and ipp |
| 14:12.39 | solemnwarning | no smb |
| 14:12.43 | liable | solemnwarning: just put that as the location. |
| 14:12.47 | solemnwarning | how? |
| 14:12.52 | Angel-SL | |BudSpencer|: definetly |
| 14:13.00 | liable | solemnwarning: ffs go read some docs at samba.org. |
| 14:13.02 | solemnwarning | if i dont select smb in that menu i dont get that far |
| 14:13.19 | solemnwarning | god why did deb delete the option in the menu?? |
| 14:13.33 | Dook | anybody uses qmail with smtp-auth and have nice deb's ? or scripts ? |
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| 14:14.00 | jetx | qmail is deprecated, use usps instead.... |
| 14:14.12 | Dook | what is usps ??? |
| 14:14.21 | vincent | lol |
| 14:14.22 | tralala | Dook: apt-cache show usps |
| 14:14.22 | Dook | deprecated ? :) |
| 14:14.23 | jetx | united states postal service |
| 14:14.29 | eXa_bOy | LOL |
| 14:14.47 | jetx | sorry :/ |
| 14:15.02 | eXa_bOy | how do i add swap. this is killing me. |
| 14:15.10 | |BudSpencer| | Angel-SL how can i change it? |
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| 14:15.21 | Dook | grrr |
| 14:15.36 | liable | solemnwarning: you put the name, then the location, which is the samba location I gave, then descripton if you want.. not rocket science. |
| 14:15.38 | Lucas_ | -msg dpkg install debian |
| 14:15.42 | Lucas_ | sorry |
| 14:15.47 | jetx | eXa_bOy: if you have free partition, mkswap -v1 /dev/hdxx , then edit the fstab (hey did you look in it?) then swapon /dev/hdxx |
| 14:15.48 | solemnwarning | ffs |
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| 14:15.54 | tralala | Lucas_: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:15.54 | solemnwarning | i cant get that far |
| 14:16.00 | solemnwarning | i dont get option to enter it |
| 14:16.09 | liable | solemnwarning: did you log in to the admin as root? |
| 14:16.11 | solemnwarning | becuase there is no smb option under deb |
| 14:16.14 | solemnwarning | yes |
| 14:16.16 | abrotman | eXa_bOy: there's also a way to make a swap file instead of a swap partition |
| 14:16.25 | liable | solemnwarning: its the location ffs |
| 14:16.27 | solemnwarning | and smb is NOT on the device connection menu |
| 14:16.32 | Dook | so bye all, thanks for nothing.... |
| 14:16.35 | liable | *plonk* |
| 14:16.36 | FieldySnuts | smb isn't a dvice |
| 14:16.36 | solemnwarning | i dont get as far as location |
| 14:16.41 | jetx | yes i use a buncha swapfiles for extra if i need it for modeling or whatever |
| 14:16.43 | Lucas_ | -exit |
| 14:16.46 | eXa_bOy | how do i list my partitions? |
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| 14:16.52 | abrotman | df |
| 14:16.52 | vincent | eXa_bOy: df -h |
| 14:16.54 | nct | Hi. |
| 14:16.54 | jetx | to augment my swap partition |
| 14:16.55 | eXa_bOy | thanks |
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| 14:17.10 | solemnwarning | installing 70packages |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | jetx: you're such a geek |
| 14:17.13 | eXa_bOy | ok i dont have a spare partition |
| 14:17.17 | solemnwarning | hopefully one of these will do it <_< |
| 14:17.18 | jetx | eXa_bOy: that won't show you |
| 14:17.22 | eXa_bOy | oooh ok |
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| 14:17.31 | jetx | eXa_bOy: that will show you free/used space on mounted filesystems |
| 14:17.37 | tralala | eXa_bOy: fdisk -l /dev/your-hdd-dev |
| 14:17.38 | jetx | df -h |
| 14:17.41 | nct | I've a problem with testing. I was trying to install fluxbox (by apt-get install fluxbox) when I got the following error : "dpkg: diversions file has too-long line or EOF [ii]". And now I can't do anything, because dpkg always complaint about this and halts ! |
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| 14:18.35 | eXa_bOy | your-hdd-dev is what? hda1? |
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| 14:18.57 | jetx | no, hda, not hda1. hda is the hd, hda1 is a partition |
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| 14:19.03 | tralala | I don't know, it's yours not mine |
| 14:19.07 | jetx | fdisk -l /dev/hda or b or c or d |
| 14:19.11 | eXa_bOy | /dev/hda1 1 19376 9765472+ 83 Linux |
| 14:19.20 | jetx | oh nm |
| 14:19.28 | greycat | just add a friggin' swap file already! |
| 14:19.29 | greycat | sheesh! |
| 14:19.35 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 14:19.40 | Justin | better idea would be to just run fdisk -l and have it tell you what your drive is |
| 14:19.43 | goki | whats that magic command to fix apt-get stuff? |
| 14:19.44 | eXa_bOy | mate i dont know how to :( |
| 14:19.46 | tralala | eXa_bOy: you don't have swap partition, create a swap file |
| 14:19.49 | Justin | but if you'd rather guess that works too |
| 14:19.52 | jetx | \apt-get install -f |
| 14:19.53 | eXa_bOy | apt-get -f install |
| 14:19.58 | jetx | either/or |
| 14:19.59 | greycat | Justin: arc1:/net/home/wooledg# fdisk -l |
| 14:19.59 | greycat | arc1:/net/home/wooledg# |
| 14:20.14 | greycat | I have no idea where this "just run fdisk -l" idea comes from, but it doesn't work. |
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| 14:20.18 | tralala | dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/swapfile bs=1M count=<size_in_megs> |
| 14:20.21 | Justin | greycat: that wouldn't be on hp-ux would it? |
| 14:20.29 | greycat | Justin: arc1 is sarge i386 |
| 14:20.32 | Justin | greycat: fdisk -l [-u] [device ...] |
| 14:20.35 | goki | thanks |
| 14:20.45 | greycat | Justin: yes, it's valid *syntax*, but it produces no output |
| 14:20.45 | nct | Does anyone knows how to fix dpkg when it's stucked because of a broken package ? |
| 14:20.49 | goki | what should I run in apt-get after adding repositories? update? |
| 14:20.56 | Justin | greycat: -l List the partition tables for the specified devices and then exit. If no devices are given, those mentioned in /proc/partitions (if that exists) are used. |
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| 14:20.59 | greycat | nct: fix the package |
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| 14:21.23 | greycat | uh.... why the fuck does /proc/partitions have devfs-looking crap in it? |
| 14:21.23 | eXa_bOy | how do i create the swap file? |
| 14:21.36 | greycat | 10:20 tralala> dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/swapfile bs=1M count=<size_in_megs> |
| 14:21.38 | eXa_bOy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.39 | tralala | eXa_bOy: then mkswap /path/to/swapfile (or whatever the man says), then swapon /path/to/swapfile (or whatever the man says), then add it to fstab the way the man says, ok? |
| 14:21.40 | jetx | dd blah... ^^ |
| 14:22.02 | yoo | Hi all! |
| 14:22.17 | nct | greycat: well, even if I knew how to do it (I could learn, althout the error is a bit strange), it won't make dpkg out of where it is stucked, as any operation fails. And this on a *testing*, not any unstable or experimental :-((( |
| 14:22.20 | seeeS | that should go into dpkg |
| 14:22.24 | jetx | mkswap -v1 that is, unless it became the default (which would make sense nowadays) |
| 14:22.36 | CosmoDad | I've built a custom kernel image which I later installed. Under that kernel, uname -r gives "2.4.27-foo", but after I compiled a WLAN driver, I can't load the module because modprobe complains that it was compiled against 2.4.27 instead of 2.4.27-foo. Is it possible I had to explicitly set the kernel version when I built the image? What's wrong? |
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| 14:23.09 | jetx | CosmoDad: use --append-to-version=.1.2.3, and man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 14:23.22 | tralala | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg debian kernel image, /msg dpkg module assistant |
| 14:23.23 | jetx | with the make-kpkg --append--...... |
| 14:23.35 | CosmoDad | jetx: I used that parameter |
| 14:23.51 | jetx | and /etc/kernel-pkg.conf matches? |
| 14:23.51 | SuperFly | ugh |
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| 14:23.55 | SuperFly | how the hell do you exit dselect? |
| 14:23.59 | tralala | CosmoDad: m-a rather |
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| 14:24.06 | jetx | ctrl c functions |
| 14:24.07 | nct | greycat : I can't even install a sarge package because anything I try to do, dpkg says: |
| 14:24.08 | nct | dpkg: diversions file has too-long line or EOF [ii] |
| 14:24.08 | nct | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 14:24.11 | jetx | or just hit enter |
| 14:24.14 | |BudSpencer| | in the boot parameters i only find to set the keyboard map but if i wan't to change the keyboard controler loaded to another how can i change it? |
| 14:24.23 | fhffhqvb | !permasunday |
| 14:24.23 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 14:24.27 | jetx | if you're usiing dselect and sid atm, you'll need shift+q |
| 14:24.29 | sml | SuperFly: hit enter , then choose the last option "exit" |
| 14:24.42 | jetx | to exit the selection screen |
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| 14:24.48 | greycat | nct: "a sarge package". Does this mean you attempted to install something *other than* sarge packages? Is that how you broke it? |
| 14:24.50 | jetx | ctrl c works |
| 14:24.53 | sml | erm.. "[6] Quit" |
| 14:24.58 | CosmoDad | tralala: isn't module assistant only useful for drivers that can be built debian-like? |
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| 14:25.20 | tralala | I guess so |
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| 14:25.31 | yoo | xserver-xorg take the place of xserver-xfree86 now on sid so my system erase xserver-xfree86 |
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| 14:25.47 | jetx | oh no it's yoo |
| 14:25.49 | yoo | WHy my system don't delete xfree86-common ? |
| 14:25.50 | jetx | :) |
| 14:25.55 | |BudSpencer| | tralala in the boot parameters i only find to set the keyboard map but if i wan't to change the keyboard controler loaded to another how can i change it? |
| 14:25.56 | greycat | yoo: why should it? |
| 14:26.02 | CosmoDad | jetx: kernel-pkg.conf doesn't seem to match.. should also notice that I've created a kernel source package myself, guess I missed to add something... |
| 14:26.05 | nct | greycat. I was on testing. But as the testing package is broken, I tried the sarge one |
| 14:26.15 | usn | hi folx |
| 14:26.23 | nct | I've fixed the problem by reverting /var/lib/dpkg/diversions to an old version |
| 14:26.29 | greycat | arc1:~$ locate diversions |
| 14:26.29 | greycat | /var/lib/dpkg/diversions |
| 14:26.29 | greycat | /var/lib/dpkg/diversions-old |
| 14:26.30 | yoo | but because it's a component of xfree86 no ? |
| 14:26.32 | greycat | have fun. |
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| 14:26.34 | jetx | CosmoDad: works for me when they match, iirc |
| 14:26.36 | eXa_bOy | where is the best place to put the swap? |
| 14:26.40 | nct | But fluxbox package in testing is reall broken |
| 14:26.44 | jetx | eXa_bOy: doesn't matter |
| 14:26.49 | greycat | eXa_bOy: if it's a file, I'd put it in whichever file system can spare the space. |
| 14:26.52 | tralala | |BudSpencer|: you don't need to do it at install time, just install it with whatever works and then take care for the keymap |
| 14:26.54 | PeTeRB | yoo: apt-cache show xfree86-common ;) |
| 14:26.54 | jetx | but the beginning of the hd is optimal |
| 14:27.20 | greycat | I don't think modern drives have a "beginning" |
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| 14:27.44 | greycat | have you actually benchmarked performance of that "beginning of the drive" urban myth crap with anything recent? |
| 14:27.45 | eXa_bOy | how do i see how much each system is using? |
| 14:27.46 | Justin | greycat: now now, don't think, just blindly accept what you are told :-P |
| 14:27.49 | yoo | oh ! Source: xorg-x11 |
| 14:27.56 | greycat | eXa_bOy: you're fucking kidding, right? |
| 14:27.58 | PeTeRB | yoo: No. The description. |
| 14:28.15 | CosmoDad | tralala: dpkg doesn't seem to know about m-a |
| 14:28.17 | eXa_bOy | no i dont understand what oyu mena |
| 14:28.17 | jetx | greycat: like i said, doesn't matter |
| 14:28.21 | |BudSpencer| | tralala but i can't install because i cant select any lenguage don't work anything |
| 14:28.23 | tralala | eXa_bOy: you've been answered at least a couple of times already, but once again df -h |
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| 14:28.38 | eXa_bOy | thank you |
| 14:28.52 | tralala | CosmoDad: it just answered to me |
| 14:28.55 | nct | bye |
| 14:29.05 | CosmoDad | tralala: not to me, but with m-a it does |
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| 14:29.14 | eXa_bOy | i told you i only have one partition :P /dev/hda1 9.2G 602M 8.2G 7% / |
| 14:29.28 | tralala | 17:28 < CosmoDad> tralala: dpkg doesn't seem to know about m-a |
| 14:29.32 | tralala | ?! |
| 14:29.33 | yoo | X Window System infrastructure transitional package and depending on x11-common |
| 14:29.33 | jetx | ah btw sarge installer put the swap on an extended partition |
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| 14:29.43 | jetx | eXa_bOy: how many hd's do you have |
| 14:29.47 | eXa_bOy | 1 |
| 14:29.59 | eXa_bOy | 10GB apparently... |
| 14:30.05 | tralala | eXa_bOy: so put the swap file wherever you like, it's the same |
| 14:30.11 | jetx | eXa_bOy: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 14:30.15 | eXa_bOy | thank you |
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| 14:30.24 | CosmoDad | jetx, tralala: well then, let me re-phrase my question: If I create my own kernel source package (using kernel_source target with make-kpkg), will I need to take special care of the version apart from setting --append-to-version? |
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| 14:30.43 | jetx | i find it hard to believe a semi modern system has only a 10g hd |
| 14:30.49 | jetx | is this a 486? |
| 14:30.58 | tralala | CosmoDad: if you have to ask, you don't have to compile yourself |
| 14:30.58 | vincent | lol |
| 14:30.59 | eXa_bOy | close P133 |
| 14:31.00 | greycat | more likely a pentium II |
| 14:31.15 | eXa_bOy | 64 MB ram ;) |
| 14:31.22 | jetx | CosmoDad: when kernel-pkg.conf and the value i pass for --append-to-version= match, it 'just works' here |
| 14:31.26 | jetx | all i know |
| 14:31.36 | greycat | well, that tells us why he's out of memory. |
| 14:31.40 | boycer | semi modern? hmm. |
| 14:31.50 | greycat | 64 MB real and no swap.... |
| 14:31.53 | seeeS | 64MB |
| 14:31.58 | greycat | probably running gnome, too |
| 14:32.02 | paster | "exa_boy" at 220.239.65.193 pasted "my drive" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/367 |
| 14:32.06 | seeeS | and he's running webmin |
| 14:32.12 | CosmoDad | tralala: I do because I need to include a patch that is not available by package |
| 14:32.17 | jetx | the sarge installer should/would have made some swap though |
| 14:32.46 | jetx | eXa_bOy: less /etc/fstab | grep -i hda5 |
| 14:32.49 | CosmoDad | jetx: kernel-pkg.conf looks just like default values to make-kpkg, so I assume any command line argument will overwrite it anway |
| 14:32.52 | jetx | anything come back? |
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| 14:33.24 | liable | CosmoDad: just --append-to-version=-1 will be sufficient. |
| 14:33.30 | jetx | CosmoDad: i change what /etc/kernel-pkg.conf says to reflect what i want it to... |
| 14:33.42 | eXa_bOy | less? |
| 14:33.44 | SuperFly | how the hell do you exit dselect? |
| 14:33.54 | jetx | anything works, but the man page says only use periods 's and numbers |
| 14:33.55 | boycer | eXa_bOy: he meant cat |
| 14:34.04 | caphuso | SuperFly: where it says [Q]uit |
| 14:34.04 | CosmoDad | liable: with |
| 14:34.05 | greycat | SuperFly: ctrl-c gets out nicely. |
| 14:34.06 | jetx | SuperFly: which screen |
| 14:34.13 | jetx | the selection? |
| 14:34.16 | SuperFly | i'm at the beginning i think |
| 14:34.16 | SuperFly | heh |
| 14:34.22 | SuperFly | cntrl c isn't doing anything |
| 14:34.23 | SuperFly | hrm |
| 14:34.26 | CosmoDad | liable: is that true for kernel source packages as well? |
| 14:34.29 | valdyn | SuperFly: <space> |
| 14:34.34 | jetx | you probably want shift+q but i'm guessing |
| 14:34.35 | eXa_bOy | what was that supose to do jetx |
| 14:34.39 | liable | CosmoDad: just add that append line with the make-kpkg command. |
| 14:34.40 | greycat | SuperFly: perhaps you bumped ctrl-s at some point and need to do ctrl-q |
| 14:34.50 | liable | CosmoDad: works for me. |
| 14:34.52 | jetx | eXa_bOy: if anything came back, it would list that line in fstab |
| 14:34.57 | CosmoDad | liable: I did that... |
| 14:35.07 | MrKeuner | hi, how can I downgrade to a specific older version of a package and its dependencies if any? |
| 14:35.24 | jetx | !tell MrKeuner about downgrade |
| 14:35.27 | eXa_bOy | fstab command not found... |
| 14:35.33 | greycat | eXa_bOy: man fstab |
| 14:35.47 | jetx | eXa_bOy: less /etc/fstab | grep -i hda5 |
| 14:35.47 | eXa_bOy | am reading now |
| 14:36.00 | boycer | eXa_bOy: maybe 'grep hda5 /etc/fstab' |
| 14:36.05 | MrKeuner | jetx/ it is not downgrading from sid to testing or etc. what I am asking |
| 14:36.29 | eXa_bOy | nothing returned to the shell |
| 14:36.38 | eXa_bOy | console sorry |
| 14:36.39 | valdyn | MrKeuner: the things dpkg told you still do apply |
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| 14:36.54 | jetx | MrKeuner: man dpkg && man dpkg --force-help will tell you how though |
| 14:37.08 | joey_ | how do I remove a package(s) using wildcards ? |
| 14:37.22 | eXa_bOy | thanks for your help guys i appreciate it :) |
| 14:37.28 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge libgnome* kde* |
| 14:37.41 | greycat | jetx: why on EARTH would you try to grep the output of less? |
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| 14:38.23 | jetx | because it works for me, and i'm sure there's a more efficient way |
| 14:38.24 | Rawplaye1 | lol :) |
| 14:38.33 | boycer | jetx: man grep |
| 14:38.33 | eXa_bOy | i dont have less... |
| 14:38.40 | seeeS | evilness |
| 14:38.43 | jetx | and grep and find are mysteries to me yet |
| 14:38.44 | seeeS | just grep |
| 14:38.50 | boycer | eXa_bOy: you don't need it... |
| 14:38.56 | eXa_bOy | good to know |
| 14:38.56 | valdyn | `grep -i hda5 /etc/fstab | less`, if you insist in using less |
| 14:39.11 | greycat | I doubt you'd need to use a pager for that. |
| 14:39.15 | seeeS | find is a fun fun command |
| 14:39.19 | jetx | eXa_bOy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:39.26 | seeeS | global seek and destroy with find |
| 14:39.35 | eXa_bOy | jetx that fstab didnt return anything. |
| 14:39.40 | yoo | or cat /etc/fstab | grep -i hda1 |
| 14:39.48 | eXa_bOy | 3.1 |
| 14:39.48 | valdyn | !cat |
| 14:39.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, cat is a *nix command, see also more, less, or even better : the heavenly sweet 'dog'. |
| 14:40.04 | jetx | weird |
| 14:40.07 | valdyn | !useless uses of cat |
| 14:40.09 | yoo | :) |
| 14:40.11 | jetx | bye bye g'luck workie workie |
| 14:40.18 | seeeS | ffs you weridos that cat into grep |
| 14:40.21 | greycat | !uuoc |
| 14:40.22 | dpkg | it has been said that uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 14:40.40 | yoo | Who is seeeS ? |
| 14:40.45 | seeeS | me |
| 14:40.51 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:41.02 | seeeS | no the weirdos are the people that cat blah | grep |
| 14:41.03 | eXa_bOy | so should i give on my poor 133 and throw it out the window? |
| 14:41.15 | seeeS | ffs, grep opens the goddan file, why are you using cat |
| 14:41.21 | greycat | eXa_bOy: add a friggin' swap file, or add some more RAM |
| 14:41.31 | greycat | this is not brain surgery |
| 14:41.37 | seeeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.46 | eXa_bOy | greycat ive been trying everything you guys say... |
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| 14:41.52 | eXa_bOy | what more can i do? ffs |
| 14:42.01 | greycat | eXa_bOy: 1) dd. 2) mkswap. 3) swapon. 4) editor /etc/fstab |
| 14:42.26 | caphuso | seeeS: "ls | tac | more" is nice for reverse sorting ;-) |
| 14:42.30 | eXa_bOy | what is dd? |
| 14:42.35 | greycat | man dd |
| 14:42.45 | yoo | ok seeeS |
| 14:42.45 | greycat | you got the example you needed AT LEAST 4 times. |
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| 14:43.03 | eXa_bOy | LOL |
| 14:43.20 | PeTeRB | eXa_bOy: It's *not* funny. |
| 14:43.30 | seeeS | atrgh |
| 14:43.32 | Spec | PeTeRB: sad? |
| 14:43.34 | seeeS | ls -r or ls -R |
| 14:43.40 | seeeS | little r |
| 14:43.41 | eXa_bOy | yea it is. sad thing is im trying!!!! |
| 14:44.07 | caphuso | seeeS: YHBT. YHL. HAND. :-P |
| 14:44.13 | seeeS | bah |
| 14:44.19 | Spec | eXa_bOy: it's not about typing in the commands people regurgitate here, it's about reading documentation and using this channel to help you understand the documentation, and point you in the right direction -- not do it for you |
| 14:44.20 | PeTeRB | Spec: Not being able to follow simple instructions is sad. |
| 14:44.30 | Spec | PeTeRB: yes. :) |
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| 14:44.55 | Spec | hehe, I backed up my server into cd ISOs, there's 28 of 'em -.- |
| 14:45.00 | eXa_bOy | yeah i know that man. |
| 14:45.10 | seeeS | and with that trolling im into bed |
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| 14:45.25 | takatumi | Spec: beware of the 13th one. :P |
| 14:45.33 | alejandro_ | fast question: is the AMD64 faster than the AMD32? |
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| 14:45.35 | Spec | bah, the hell if i'm burning 28 cds :p |
| 14:45.45 | valdyn | alejandro_: that is a nonsensical question |
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| 14:45.51 | Spec | alejandro_: it's got higher numbers, doesn't it? |
| 14:46.18 | SuperFly | I have sda1 = 70GB (RAID 5 of 3 drives) and sdb1 which is 70GB...... How would you guys partition this up? |
| 14:46.20 | alejandro_ | Spec: well, some people are saying that is almost the same thing |
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| 14:46.28 | joey_ | have installed prebuilt package, madwifi modules. when I run modprobe ath_pci I get a message the module can't be found, however it is in /lib directory? |
| 14:46.32 | joey_ | what am I not doing right ? |
| 14:46.34 | SuperFly | I'd really just like a / ... but don't think i can do this |
| 14:46.34 | neper | oi |
| 14:46.38 | valdyn | alejandro_: try asking a different question |
| 14:46.54 | eXa_bOy | dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/swapfile bs=1M count=<size_in_megs> <--- where should i put the swapfile? |
| 14:47.06 | liable | joey_: where did you get pre-built modules? are you running debian? |
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| 14:47.17 | greycat | wherever you want except /tmp or something brain-damaged like /proc or /sys |
| 14:47.27 | alejandro_ | valdyn: would you say that AMD64 has a higher amount of speed than the normal 32 bits processors? |
| 14:47.29 | eXa_bOy | thanks oyu |
| 14:47.43 | joey_ | liable found it on apt-get.org site |
| 14:47.44 | eXa_bOy | im putting it in var |
| 14:47.48 | boycer | eXa_bOy: maybe /var/swap or summat |
| 14:47.53 | joey_ | yeah man I am running debian :)( |
| 14:47.58 | eXa_bOy | thank you... even better |
| 14:48.07 | valdyn | alejandro_: amd64 are *also* the fastest amd cpu for executing 32-bit applications. |
| 14:48.09 | liable | joey_: link? didnt know they existed. |
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| 14:48.16 | joey_ | who they ? |
| 14:48.16 | dk0r | How might one activate control+clicking on ppc?? Its hard to believe i/powerbook users are doomed to a world of no alternate(right) clicking! |
| 14:48.32 | liable | joey_: the bre built modules... |
| 14:48.34 | liable | pre |
| 14:48.39 | joey_ | deb http://www.linex.org/sources/linex/debian sarge linex |
| 14:48.46 | joey_ | what are you talking about ? |
| 14:49.09 | joey_ | if I installed then I do know the prebuilt modules did exist:) |
| 14:49.17 | eXa_bOy | dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swap bs=1M count=<size_in_megs> <--- how much megs should i use? |
| 14:49.27 | eXa_bOy | 5? |
| 14:49.29 | eXa_bOy | 10? |
| 14:49.29 | liable | joey_: yes, they also exist in ubuntu.... |
| 14:49.29 | valdyn | alejandro_: that said, depending on your application raw cpu performance is hardly visible in those few % areas that are between current processors. |
| 14:49.35 | greycat | eXa_bOy: 128 |
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| 14:49.50 | greycat | you are WAY short on memory for a desktop box |
| 14:49.52 | joey_ | why are you telling about ubuntu? |
| 14:49.53 | eXa_bOy | this is physical space were talking about right. not ram |
| 14:50.06 | greycat | eXa_bOy: the amount of swap you have is added to your RAM to produce your total virtual memory |
| 14:50.16 | eXa_bOy | thank you |
| 14:50.25 | valdyn | alejandro_: or maybe you really meant " are 64-bit applications faster than 32-bit applications?", answer is: sometimes. |
| 14:50.41 | nomed^ | if a packages depends on mail-transport-agent .. how does apt choose betw. exim/postfix .. ? |
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| 14:51.32 | eXa_bOy | greycat this isnt a desktop box.. its a webserver. |
| 14:51.36 | ledestin | are there unicode fonts in debian with both japanese and cyrillic glyphs? I don't see Japanese unicode fonts at all. |
| 14:52.04 | caphuso | nomed^: it uses the one you have installed or the one you tell it to use or the default one (exim) |
| 14:52.18 | sanxiyn | ledestin: You want ttf-kochi-* fonts for Japanese. |
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| 14:52.28 | takatumi | dk0r: tried #debian-ppc? |
| 14:52.37 | dk0r | of course |
| 14:52.42 | dk0r | and its actually #debianppc |
| 14:52.42 | sanxiyn | ledestin: Dunno about Cyrillics. |
| 14:52.49 | eXa_bOy | ive run that dd command :) |
| 14:52.53 | dk0r | debian-ppc just routes you to debianppc |
| 14:53.00 | takatumi | !win eXa_bOy |
| 14:53.00 | eXa_bOy | 134217728 bytes transferred in 23.166535 seconds (5793604 bytes/sec) |
| 14:53.01 | nomed^ | caphuso, think i haven't postfix or exim .. i think apt'll chose the default one .. but how can apt understand this? |
| 14:53.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, eXa_bOy! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 14:53.04 | greycat | eXa_bOy: please tell me you just did not say that you are running a server. |
| 14:53.10 | caphuso | nomed^: it looks at the Depends: line |
| 14:53.21 | eXa_bOy | sure am... on my local network |
| 14:53.40 | greycat | well, uh, good luck. |
| 14:53.50 | sanxiyn | ledestin: There's also ttf-sazanami-* fonts. I prefer Kochi fonts better. |
| 14:54.00 | eXa_bOy | free still says there is no swap. |
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| 14:54.22 | sanxiyn | ledestin: Since font substitution works, you really don't need to have Japanese and Cyrillic glyphs in the same font. |
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| 14:54.40 | ledestin | sandman: I see 10646 there. Though, cyrillics are traditionally ugly in japanese fonts. |
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| 14:54.51 | sanxiyn | ledestin: ? |
| 14:54.57 | boycer | eXa_bOy: did you do the rest of what greycat said? |
| 14:55.04 | ledestin | sandman: 10646 is unicode. |
| 14:55.17 | sanxiyn | ledestin: And? |
| 14:55.22 | sanxiyn | ledestin: (Also, I'm sanxiyn.) |
| 14:55.25 | boycer | eXa_bOy: greycat eXa_bOy: 1) dd. 2) mkswap. 3) swapon. 4) editor /etc/fstab |
| 14:55.29 | eXa_bOy | upto step 2 :P thanks for the reminder |
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| 14:55.57 | nomed^ | caphuso, Depends: exim | postfix | mail-transport-agent ... the first so is the default for that pkge .. ? |
| 14:56.00 | eXa_bOy | mkswap -v1 /hda0 |
| 14:56.01 | nomed^ | true ? |
| 14:56.07 | caphuso | nomed^: yes |
| 14:56.18 | sanxiyn | nomed^: Yes. APT chooses the first alternative. |
| 14:56.35 | sanxiyn | (If none of them are installed, that is.) |
| 14:56.54 | nomed^ | and exim is the default just because is the first alternative in the dependencies of base pkges .. |
| 14:56.55 | ledestin | sanxiyn: sorry. Suppose I have utf locale. Will font substitution work both japanese and cyrillic are utf? I'd guess not. |
| 14:56.55 | nomed^ | ok |
| 14:56.58 | nomed^ | :P |
| 14:57.00 | nomed^ | thanks |
| 14:57.04 | sanxiyn | ledestin: Will work. |
| 14:57.05 | boycer | eXa_bOy: no.... um... wait a moment |
| 14:57.10 | greycat | ``If you need to use both 2.0 and 2.2 kernels, use the -v0 option when creating the swapspace.'' heh |
| 14:57.33 | sanxiyn | ledestin: fontconfig did a good job for me. |
| 14:57.44 | boycer | eXa_bOy: perhaps: 'mkswap /var/swap' but 'man mkswap' anyway to be sure |
| 14:57.53 | eXa_bOy | aaagh shit |
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| 14:58.00 | boycer | oh no... |
| 14:58.01 | greycat | eXa_bOy: it's normally just "mkswap filename" |
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| 14:58.24 | eXa_bOy | i was just copying jetx example |
| 14:58.39 | sanxiyn | (My fonts/local.conf prefers Un, Baekmuk, Kochi, Arphic in that order and does a good job of replacing CJK ideograms.) |
| 14:58.41 | eXa_bOy | hda1 :) |
| 14:58.47 | nomed^ | anyway maybe it was better for scripts to have mail-transport-agent | exim | postfix .. |
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| 14:58.58 | ledestin | sanxiyn: you bring hope :) though, the first thing I want to do is have both japanese and cyrillic in xmms. I'll try not to specify charset, maybe it'll help. |
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| 14:59.16 | eXa_bOy | can i undo that mkswap? |
| 14:59.21 | eXa_bOy | rmswap :P |
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| 14:59.27 | sanxiyn | ledestin: Oh, things are "interesting" for GTK 1.2... |
| 14:59.39 | PeTeRB | eXa_bOy: Did you use /hda1 or /dev/hda1? :| |
| 14:59.44 | boycer | eXa_bOy: what was it you did again? |
| 15:00.15 | eXa_bOy | mkswap -v1 /dev/hda1 |
| 15:00.24 | PeTeRB | Oh dear. |
| 15:00.27 | boycer | oh no..... |
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| 15:00.35 | boycer | oops. |
| 15:00.40 | eXa_bOy | ooh shit... whaT? |
| 15:00.48 | eXa_bOy | im laughing and i dont know why |
| 15:00.49 | eXa_bOy | LOL |
| 15:00.50 | greycat | what the fuck is this, the three stooges meets abbot and costello? |
| 15:01.07 | takatumi | who's first? |
| 15:01.17 | liable | whats on second. |
| 15:01.17 | sanxiyn | ledestin: As GTK 1.2 doesn't use fontconfig, fonts.conf setting won't work with XMMS. |
| 15:01.18 | boycer | go on, I'll let you guys do it... |
| 15:01.59 | boycer | eXa_bOy: try a 'ls /' |
| 15:02.10 | eXa_bOy | nothing |
| 15:02.27 | boycer | eXa_bOy: oh dear |
| 15:02.33 | eXa_bOy | OOOH SHIT. |
| 15:02.38 | eXa_bOy | LOL |
| 15:02.45 | eXa_bOy | bye bye hdd |
| 15:03.23 | darkskiez | hdd1 ? |
| 15:03.24 | boycer | eXa_bOy: might be time for a reinstall |
| 15:03.24 | eXa_bOy | i think its time for a rebuild... |
| 15:04.02 | eXa_bOy | lol from what was a fuckup in apt-get. i loose my server... teaches me for trying something new aye. |
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| 15:04.31 | greycat | no, the fuck-up was when you didn't use any swap to begin with |
| 15:04.33 | boycer | eXa_bOy: not apt-get's fault I'm afraid |
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| 15:04.47 | DoppelGanger | damn eXa_bOy still at it |
| 15:04.51 | greycat | if you're going to rebuild it, make a swap PARTITION this time. |
| 15:05.09 | eXa_bOy | greycat i did make a swap... i swear. |
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| 15:05.18 | PeTeRB | Would this be classified as a QOTD or FLW? |
| 15:05.28 | DoppelGanger | flw |
| 15:05.31 | sanxiyn | wtf is FLW |
| 15:05.34 | eXa_bOy | english? |
| 15:05.35 | greycat | !flw |
| 15:05.36 | dpkg | i heard flw12 is <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
| 15:05.52 | greycat | "Famous Last Words" |
| 15:05.56 | sanxiyn | Ah. |
| 15:06.04 | eXa_bOy | lol] |
| 15:06.23 | lildude | for debian is it better to run via kt 400 |
| 15:06.31 | greycat | compared to what? |
| 15:06.33 | lildude | or would sis work or kt600 |
| 15:06.58 | darkskiez | those are old chipsets |
| 15:07.00 | darkskiez | no? |
| 15:07.00 | eXa_bOy | OOOOOOH SHIT... |
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| 15:07.06 | greycat | for small values of "old" |
| 15:07.08 | eXa_bOy | i just realised something... |
| 15:07.19 | eXa_bOy | it was also my CVS server. |
| 15:07.33 | sanxiyn | BREAKING NEWS: eXa_bOy realised something. |
| 15:07.48 | liable | eXa_bOy: thats ok, use the backups ..... :P |
| 15:07.51 | eXa_bOy | thats *NOT* funny |
| 15:07.59 | lildude | i know there old |
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| 15:08.00 | eXa_bOy | lol at backups |
| 15:08.10 | boycer | now that *is* funny |
| 15:08.10 | greycat | now THAT is flw. |
| 15:08.14 | lildude | nfoce not work os some so id use old one |
| 15:08.15 | artista_frustrad | how can I route a video mutlicast from one subnet to another through my debian router ?? |
| 15:08.17 | darkskiez | eXa_bOy: you arent for real, are you? |
| 15:08.34 | eXa_bOy | yup just lost the lot |
| 15:08.36 | greycat | darkskiez: definitely non-negligible probability of being a troll |
| 15:08.54 | darkskiez | eXa_bOy: Did you just get an MCE and it was announced on /. ? |
| 15:09.07 | eXa_bOy | no |
| 15:09.23 | eXa_bOy | im jsut a windows boy, trying to break into the linux world |
| 15:09.31 | greycat | well, you got the "break" part down. |
| 15:09.36 | boycer | ha! |
| 15:09.37 | stew | haha |
| 15:09.39 | |stefan_| | i know that there's a program that can be used to throttle the bandwidth for an application when starting it through it. i don't remember the name though. anyone know what the name is ? |
| 15:09.40 | eXa_bOy | da bom tink ;) |
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| 15:09.54 | takatumi | how could all this shit be happening on a machine with 64MB RAM and no swap. |
| 15:09.56 | greycat | |stefan_|: check lartc.org |
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| 15:09.58 | boycer | eXa_bOy: never mind, just try again! |
| 15:10.02 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@ool-44c26fa3.dyn.optonline.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 15:10.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 15:10.13 | eXa_bOy | thanks for the help though guys :) |
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| 15:10.26 | boycer | eXa_bOy: so you'll be back after a reinstall then? |
| 15:10.33 | Justin | |stefan_|: trickle |
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| 15:10.42 | gorby | When running things through vncserver that need gtk I get connection refused (on the right display numer) how can i stop this? |
| 15:10.51 | eXa_bOy | takatumi thats the beauty of limux.. you dont need 3GHZ 4 GIG RAM to run anything :P |
| 15:11.03 | PeTeRB | eXa_bOy: You need a clue. |
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| 15:11.08 | eXa_bOy | boycer i dount it.... |
| 15:11.14 | greycat | and a backup strategy |
| 15:11.20 | boycer | eXa_bOy: oh go on - it's all a learning experience! |
| 15:11.41 | solemnwarning | debian wont print |
| 15:11.44 | eXa_bOy | i bet you all did something this stupid once... |
| 15:11.53 | boycer | eXa_bOy: once?! twice. |
| 15:11.56 | solemnwarning | it keeps aborting the print job |
| 15:12.01 | sanxiyn | all the time |
| 15:12.15 | boycer | eXa_bOy: just not on live production machines... |
| 15:12.22 | solemnwarning | how do you make debian actually print? |
| 15:12.27 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: you'll have to give us a lot more information if you want us to help you. |
| 15:12.27 | eXa_bOy | exactly :) |
| 15:12.28 | boycer | eXa_bOy: yours wasn't live was it? |
| 15:12.29 | greycat | eXa_bOy: everyone breaks things. not everyone breaks things and then has no backups. |
| 15:12.39 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: what are you ysing to print? what are you trying to print? exactly how is it not workign? |
| 15:12.39 | eXa_bOy | nope just my dev box |
| 15:12.41 | solemnwarning | its printing using cups to a printer over smb |
| 15:12.52 | boycer | eXa_bOy: so no problem then! Whew. |
| 15:12.54 | sanxiyn | eXa_bOy: And CVS box? And no backup? That's bad. |
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| 15:13.01 | solemnwarning | debian keeps aborting print jobs but fedora prints |
| 15:13.02 | eXa_bOy | yup no backup :( |
| 15:13.06 | eXa_bOy | ooho well |
| 15:13.12 | eXa_bOy | at least i have my sandbox :) |
| 15:13.13 | boycer | cvs serve != dev box |
| 15:13.25 | eXa_bOy | did a update the other night |
| 15:13.32 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: so figure out what is different in the configuration between the two and change it. |
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| 15:13.49 | eXa_bOy | lol @ DoppelGanger |
| 15:13.58 | sanxiyn | Of course, one beauty of version control is that you have checkout everywhere, so it's not easy to lost things. |
| 15:14.06 | sanxiyn | But you do lose history. |
| 15:14.11 | eXa_bOy | yeha |
| 15:14.14 | eXa_bOy | :( |
| 15:14.29 | lildude | so what is good chipset |
| 15:14.49 | gorby | When running things through vncserver that need gtk I get connection refused (Xlib connection refused) is there a way i can change the defualt display driver for gtk? |
| 15:15.00 | sanxiyn | gorby: I have no idea. |
| 15:15.20 | eXa_bOy | gorby install cup and try and print with samba |
| 15:15.32 | eXa_bOy | *cups |
| 15:15.35 | DoppelGanger | ? |
| 15:15.42 | sanxiyn | Don't need Samba. |
| 15:15.44 | gorby | exa_b0y: i dont have a printing problem |
| 15:15.59 | Justin | gorby: uh, what did you do to break the gtk apps like that? |
| 15:16.20 | greycat | I bet he runs them as root and the fact that they use gtk is not relevant |
| 15:16.21 | gorby | Not broken i just never use local display on this box only through vnc |
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| 15:16.36 | DoppelGanger | he he vnc |
| 15:17.02 | Justin | greycat: probably |
| 15:17.21 | lildude | thank bye |
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| 15:17.55 | sanxiyn | gmail new universal scapegoat |
| 15:18.05 | sanxiyn | or was it selinux |
| 15:18.09 | eXa_bOy | ooh well everyone knows what im doing tomorrow... :P installing some more ram |
| 15:18.22 | PeTeRB | eXa_bOy: Well, I can't believe you could make a /var/swap file and then make /dev/hda1 swap... |
| 15:18.39 | eXa_bOy | like i know what im doing. |
| 15:18.47 | DoppelGanger | rtm |
| 15:18.53 | greycat | "I Can't Believe It's Not a Troll" |
| 15:18.54 | eXa_bOy | yeah yeah yeah rtfm |
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| 15:19.29 | eXa_bOy | thats one drawback to irc... everyones a critic. |
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| 15:19.58 | cplx | KeepAlive no |
| 15:19.59 | cplx | ? |
| 15:20.02 | gorby | is there not a config file to change gtk display driver to vncdisplay driver |
| 15:20.19 | cplx | Anyone suggest on how to disable ssh timeout for external hosts.. like when someone is connected from outside my network.. and its idle for like 20mins or so.. it timesout and leaves a ghost on the machine.. any way to stop this? |
| 15:20.25 | greycat | is there a config file to change cluebies to people who actually make sense? |
| 15:20.34 | cplx | KeepAlive No ? |
| 15:20.36 | eXa_bOy | ok nigth all |
| 15:20.39 | eXa_bOy | thanks again :) |
| 15:20.43 | DoppelGanger | greycat: nope |
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| 15:20.58 | DoppelGanger | unfortunately |
| 15:21.24 | sanxiyn | greycat: Encrypted. |
| 15:22.03 | eXa_bOy | anyone here use Free BSD? |
| 15:22.22 | sanxiyn | Here. I assume many others did too. |
| 15:22.31 | eXa_bOy | fair enough |
| 15:22.34 | cplx | Anyone suggest on how to disable ssh timeout for external hosts.. like when someone is connected from outside my network.. and its idle for like 20mins or so.. it timesout and leaves a ghost on the machine.. any way to stop this? - KeepAlive setting? |
| 15:22.53 | DoppelGanger | man sshd_config |
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| 15:23.50 | sanxiyn | cplx: man sshd_config, search for timeout. |
| 15:24.09 | cplx | nothing in there.. |
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| 15:25.14 | cplx | sanxiyn: nothing in sshd_config related to timeouts. |
| 15:25.30 | joey_ | Urgent help is needed before I throw my computer out of the window: I am trying to load ath_pci module on debian sarge running 2.4.27 kernel and it fails |
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| 15:26.07 | greycat | modinfo: ath_pci: no module by that name found |
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| 15:26.23 | Phroziac | Just wondering, why are there so many discs for debian? |
| 15:26.23 | joey_ | I have it in /lib |
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| 15:26.33 | caphuso | Phroziac: because it wouldn't fit on less |
| 15:26.36 | greycat | Phroziac: because it wouldn't fit on fewre. |
| 15:26.44 | joey_ | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.o |
| 15:26.46 | greycat | damn, that's one hard word to type. |
| 15:27.04 | greycat | arc1:~$ locate ath_pci |
| 15:27.04 | greycat | arc1:~$ uname -a |
| 15:27.04 | greycat | Linux arc1 2.4.27-2-686 #1 Mon May 16 17:03:22 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:27.07 | Phroziac | lol |
| 15:27.23 | Phroziac | so is the 14 binary disc set pretty much everything on apt? |
| 15:27.34 | greycat | just use apt-get from the HTTP mirrors. |
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| 15:27.42 | greycat | your life will be much, much happier that way. |
| 15:27.48 | thingfish | Phroziac: because you get a lot more than just a base system, pretty much all the packages on the repos are included. |
| 15:27.50 | rbochan | blah |
| 15:28.00 | Phroziac | ok, thats what I thought thingfish |
| 15:28.13 | Phroziac | greycat: i'm on dialup. I have someone with a real connection downloading the discs for me. |
| 15:28.36 | liable | joey_: try update-modules. |
| 15:28.59 | thingfish | Phroziac: if you're on dialup, you will probably appreciate having the CDs then. |
| 15:29.15 | solemnwarning | why dont deb work with cups over smb? |
| 15:29.18 | Phroziac | thingfish: if i get them before the next release :D |
| 15:29.20 | cplx | nothing in there.. |
| 15:29.22 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend any keyboard layout switchers non gnome/kde? |
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| 15:29.41 | liable | Phroziac: I am on dialup, the first two should be sufficient, then you can use apt-get |
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| 15:30.14 | liable | solemnwarning: for the 6th time, it *does* |
| 15:30.20 | positrix | how do i read .chm files? |
| 15:30.21 | Justin | Bac9: setxkbmap |
| 15:30.24 | solemnwarning | so why does it abort all jobs?? |
| 15:30.35 | solemnwarning | i check config, its excatly same as fedras config |
| 15:30.47 | Phroziac | liable: I like to not have to wait all day to install one program. |
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| 15:30.53 | Bac9 | Justin: does that have cyrillic presets? |
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| 15:31.00 | Justin | Bac9: it doesn't have any presets |
| 15:31.02 | solemnwarning | but debian aborts any jobs i send |
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| 15:31.14 | solemnwarning | and fedora prints them |
| 15:31.14 | Justin | solemnwarning: enable debugging, read the logs |
| 15:31.20 | solemnwarning | how? |
| 15:31.26 | takatumi | positrix: xchm |
| 15:31.41 | Justin | solemnwarning: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
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| 15:31.56 | Bac9 | Justin: how hard is it to make presets for it? |
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| 15:32.27 | positrix | takatumi: thanks |
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| 15:32.37 | DoppelGanger | solemnwarning: might wanna look into ipp |
| 15:33.03 | DoppelGanger | you see you don't actually need samba unless your demented |
| 15:33.04 | valdyn | solemnwarning: look at /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 15:33.23 | Justin | Bac9: maybe you should read the manpage for setxkbmap? |
| 15:33.24 | valdyn | solemnwarning: and/or 'grep HINT /var/log/cups/error_log' |
| 15:33.39 | Bac9 | Justin: I will |
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| 15:35.22 | randey | I am not getting window borders in XFCE4.2. how to get the borders? |
| 15:35.26 | randey | I am using sid |
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| 15:36.27 | sanxiyn | positrix: You may want to try gnochm too. |
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| 15:36.53 | iostream | Does anyone know who produces left-handed mice? |
| 15:36.59 | dogwater | if you type dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and it just returns a prompt what do you need to do to get it to work? |
| 15:37.08 | yaarg | yer ma |
| 15:37.23 | sanxiyn | dogwater: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:37.47 | sanxiyn | (config is separate package) |
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| 15:40.15 | zignig | simonrvn: bleh! |
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| 15:40.42 | sanxiyn | Hm, Opera to support BitTorrent in the browser. |
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| 15:42.14 | positrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.24 | sanxiyn | positrix: Yes. Coolness. |
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| 15:44.24 | sanxiyn | I wonder what is the status of moztorrent? |
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| 15:46.27 | boycer | eXa_bOy: blimey, that was a fast reinstall... or haven't you left yet? |
| 15:46.57 | sanxiyn | boycer: Didn't leave. |
| 15:47.45 | boycer | sanxiyn: he can't be having more problems... logically... I mean there's nothing left to have problems with. |
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| 15:49.15 | meursault | hi guys! do you know where the fvwm2 config file is debian uses? it's not in the home dir |
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| 15:50.24 | stew | meursault: if its not in the standard place for fvwm2 then you should be able to find out where in either a manpage or in /usr/share/doc/pkgname |
| 15:51.29 | sanxiyn | meursault: /usr/share/fvwm/* |
| 15:52.05 | bradley | sup |
| 15:52.09 | bradley | anyone here? |
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| 15:52.21 | sanxiyn | bradley: 726 people here. |
| 15:52.24 | bradley | word. |
| 15:52.30 | bradley | thats a fair amount. |
| 15:52.33 | boycer | what word? |
| 15:52.43 | bradley | boycer.. dont try to understand it.. |
| 15:52.47 | bradley | you must be >40 years old. |
| 15:52.51 | bradley | its okay.. |
| 15:52.57 | bradley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.05 | boycer | bradley: I must be >40 to understand it? I don't understand. |
| 15:53.14 | bradley | exactly |
| 15:53.31 | boycer | but... but... but... I don't understand! <cries> |
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| 15:56.39 | PeTeRB | boycer: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=word |
| 15:56.42 | at0m | anyone know what the buffsize parameter means that's returned by hdparm -i? |
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| 15:57.22 | boycer | I dunno, this modern slang. It was different in my day. |
| 15:57.24 | bradley | boycer.. heh |
| 15:57.36 | incorrect | can i do something like [4982:307432] -A POSTROUTING -d y.y.y.y -o bond1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5432 -j DNAT --todestination x.x.x.x:1234 |
| 15:57.42 | artista_frustrad | how can I route a video mutlicast from one subnet to another through my debian router ?? |
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| 15:58.06 | incorrect | so all traffic for y.y.y.y:5432 gets set to x.x.x.x:1234 ? |
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| 15:58.26 | xirtam_ | in which package do i find transset for xorg? |
| 15:58.30 | liable | Its usage among young blacks has been parodied ad nauseam among clueless suburban whites. |
| 15:58.37 | liable | heh |
| 15:59.00 | boycer | liable: oh, right, I'd better start using it then. Word. |
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| 15:59.08 | spamalope | werd up |
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| 15:59.29 | solemnwarning | where can i find a guide to make debian print over smb and not abort everything i send? |
| 15:59.31 | omnisteg1n | hey guys! I think i need some help getting xfree86 to work. I spent a fair bit of time setting up dual monitor and finally made it past the "no screens found" error but now it gives a "caught signal 11. server aborting" error. any suggestions? |
| 15:59.33 | bradley | or you can go with the more lude "word to your mother" |
| 15:59.36 | bradley | whatever the hell that means. |
| 15:59.50 | boycer | lude? Oh no, it's another one.... |
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| 16:00.16 | bradley | prophet.. chris? |
| 16:00.30 | ufoalien | wuaaa |
| 16:00.31 | ufoalien | Pr0ph3t: |
| 16:00.44 | Pr0ph3t | nope |
| 16:00.46 | ufoalien | I knew they'll come to earth again |
| 16:00.47 | Pr0ph3t | sorry |
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| 16:01.05 | bradley | ah, my mistake.. there are just too many prophets these days. |
| 16:01.06 | ufoalien | you're not a Pr0ph3t in the name of god? |
| 16:01.08 | ufoalien | shame on you |
| 16:01.12 | ufoalien | bradley: :D |
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| 16:01.27 | joey_ | is anyone using ndiswrapper ? |
| 16:01.36 | boycer | !nickometer Pr0ph3t |
| 16:01.36 | dpkg | 'Pr0ph3t' is 99.800% lame, boycer |
| 16:01.44 | ufoalien | lol |
| 16:01.49 | Pr0ph3t | leave me alone |
| 16:01.50 | ufoalien | !nickometer ufoalien |
| 16:01.52 | solemnwarning | where can i find a guide to make debian print over smb and not abort everything i send? |
| 16:02.10 | ufoalien | <dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for ufoalien is 0.000%, ufoalien |
| 16:02.19 | ufoalien | \o/ |
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| 16:02.22 | boycer | !win ufoalien |
| 16:02.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, ufoalien! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:02.35 | ufoalien | dpkg is dumb |
| 16:02.36 | Pr0ph3t | folks, I try to put Err http://http.us.debian.org $NVDIST/main Packages |
| 16:02.37 | Pr0ph3t | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.37 | Pr0ph3t | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.40 | Pr0ph3t | any ideas ? |
| 16:02.41 | boycer | and on that note... |
| 16:02.42 | ridem | hy, I'm instaling debian sarge, wich is the latest stable kernel? |
| 16:02.57 | ufoalien | the only prize I'll win is the prize in a ugly contest |
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| 16:03.50 | ufoalien | Pr0ph3t: what is $nvdist? |
| 16:03.57 | bradley | !nikometer bradley |
| 16:03.57 | dpkg | bradley has a Nike rating of Just Do It |
| 16:04.06 | bradley | uhh. |
| 16:04.08 | bradley | hrm. |
| 16:04.15 | bradley | !nikometer pi |
| 16:04.16 | dpkg | pi has a Nike rating of Ticked off |
| 16:04.20 | joey_ | does ndiswrapper support wpa ? |
| 16:04.29 | bradley | whats the deal with the nike stuff? |
| 16:04.30 | spamalope | i want a nike rating |
| 16:04.36 | PeTeRB | bradley: You can't spell? |
| 16:04.38 | bradley | !nikometer spamalope |
| 16:04.39 | dpkg | spamalope has a Nike rating of rebook is teh suk |
| 16:04.39 | ufoalien | joel_: ieek |
| 16:04.44 | bradley | ah |
| 16:04.46 | spamalope | hahahah |
| 16:04.55 | bradley | !nickometer bradley |
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| 16:04.57 | ufoalien | joel_: don't us ndiswrapper at all ;) |
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| 16:05.22 | bradley | !crap |
| 16:05.22 | dpkg | it has been said that crap is if its not crap, its hilarious |
| 16:05.29 | solemnwarning | where can i find a guide to make debian print over smb and not abort everything i send? |
| 16:05.37 | bradley | hahaha |
| 16:05.41 | ufoalien | the samba howto *duck* |
| 16:05.44 | sml | !nickometer Pr0ph3t |
| 16:05.44 | bradley | !poop |
| 16:05.49 | bradley | word. |
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| 16:06.03 | bradley | !poopoo |
| 16:06.11 | bradley | doesnt recognize that one. |
| 16:06.24 | positrix | !fuck bradley |
| 16:06.32 | PeTeRB | !abuse |
| 16:06.32 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 16:06.35 | mike-m | :D |
| 16:06.50 | sml | shouldn't that be dont even CUM near me again! ? |
| 16:07.06 | FieldySnuts | people need to stop using ndiswrapper and do one of the following 1) buy supported hardware 2) complain to the company for not having linux drivers, or at least releasing specs so someone can write one , using ndiswrapper worsens the situtation, thank you very much |
| 16:07.10 | mtnman | sml: one is a prerequisite for the other. |
| 16:07.28 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite PeTeRB |
| 16:07.29 | ravenbird | PeTeRB: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 16:07.46 | sml | mtnman: depends how far you can shoot your load. you dont get much spam ? |
| 16:07.50 | PeTeRB | FieldySnuts: Let me get a dictionary... |
| 16:07.53 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 16:07.53 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: More importantly, ndiswrapper just doesn't fucking work. |
| 16:07.54 | bodq | where can I get prepackaged wxpython2.6 for python2.4 ? why isn't it in sarge? |
| 16:08.01 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: good. |
| 16:08.18 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: It wouldn't be a problem if ndiswrapper worked /well/ |
| 16:08.20 | bradley | !wow. |
| 16:08.30 | mtnman | sml: i don't read it. |
| 16:08.38 | pipeline | I'm sick of people asking about ndiswrapper. It doesn't work? Tough shit. It's probably not even your fault. Buy a real card. |
| 16:09.03 | bradley | wow, dpkg is x-rated. |
| 16:09.31 | bradley | !kill positrix |
| 16:09.46 | bradley | !rape positrix |
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| 16:09.51 | bradley | nope. |
| 16:09.54 | bradley | Hrm. |
| 16:09.56 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: exactly. i wish it was strictly not supported here, screw em |
| 16:10.07 | FieldySnuts | shouldn't be really |
| 16:10.10 | sml | well im off down the pub to drink until i drop. |
| 16:10.15 | sml | adios ladies n gents. |
| 16:10.26 | sml | s/d/dd |
| 16:10.29 | bradley | !piss |
| 16:10.29 | dpkg | piss is, like, what Hitler liked women to do on him. |
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| 16:10.31 | splattnik | does anyone know of an app that control the bandwidth of a process? |
| 16:10.38 | positrix | pipeline: it always amazes me that ppl are more likely to try and spend a few hours trying to get ndiswrapper to work, when a compatible card can be purchased for under $10 |
| 16:10.39 | bradley | !pisson |
| 16:10.49 | PeTeRB | bradley: Use /msg dpkg |
| 16:10.55 | positrix | bradley: wow. im dead. |
| 16:11.02 | bradley | positrix.. thats right. |
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| 16:11.45 | rbochan | positrix: can you reccomend such a card? |
| 16:12.16 | solemnwarning | what should i do about printer? |
| 16:12.23 | solemnwarning | debian wont do smb printing |
| 16:12.33 | FieldySnuts | yes it will. user error. |
| 16:12.34 | artista_frustrad | how can I route a video mutlicast from one subnet to another through my debian router ?? |
| 16:12.37 | solemnwarning | no |
| 16:12.43 | solemnwarning | the configs are all ok |
| 16:12.44 | FieldySnuts | ok, have fun |
| 16:12.48 | positrix | rbochan: unfortunately no. |
| 16:13.00 | solemnwarning | debian is aborting all jobs |
| 16:13.14 | rbochan | you mentioened an inexpensive one, I was just wondering what that was |
| 16:13.25 | bradley | word. |
| 16:13.29 | pipeline | rbochan: Orinoco cards go for hardly anything on Ebay. |
| 16:13.35 | rbochan | ahh, ok |
| 16:13.35 | bradley | okay well. |
| 16:13.38 | bradley | i've had my fun. |
| 16:13.40 | bradley | bye bye. |
| 16:13.51 | rbochan | I was just curious... I don't use wireless myself, but some folks had asked me about it |
| 16:14.10 | roote | hi guys! does anyone know if there are prebuilt debs of the oci8 oracle php4 module? |
| 16:14.17 | positrix | rbochan: sorry, i though you were talking about an ethernet card... |
| 16:14.20 | at0m | hoi, what's BuffSize returned by hdparm -i mean? |
| 16:14.30 | Justin | artista_frustrad: you're not using 224.0.0.1 are you? |
| 16:14.30 | roote | i can't find anything about it in google or in the FAQ |
| 16:14.30 | pipeline | roote: The word oracle was in that sentence, so my guess would be no. |
| 16:14.44 | rbochan | oh, I have a drawer full of cheap ethernet cards ;) |
| 16:14.54 | artista_frustrad | Justin, no I'm using 239.12.12.12 |
| 16:15.01 | roote | pipeline: just thought someone might already have create a deb for it (not official) |
| 16:15.26 | pipeline | roote: I imagine most oracle users use pl/sql rather than php :P |
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| 16:16.20 | PeterB | !nickometer PeterB |
| 16:16.20 | dpkg | 'PeterB' is 0.000% lame, peterb |
| 16:16.24 | roote | pipeline: well, adodb, unixodbc or something like that most probably |
| 16:16.25 | PeterB | That's better :P |
| 16:16.25 | solemnwarning | why dont debian allow smb printing |
| 16:16.30 | solemnwarning | its abroting everything |
| 16:16.34 | solemnwarning | *abort |
| 16:16.48 | rbochan | for the last time... then you haven't configured it properly |
| 16:16.56 | solemnwarning | yes i have |
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| 16:17.06 | solemnwarning | i copied the working config from fedora |
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| 16:17.22 | solemnwarning | debian just aborts it |
| 16:17.26 | rbochan | then use it on fedora |
| 16:17.26 | solemnwarning | fedora prints it |
| 16:17.32 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all! |
| 16:17.33 | solemnwarning | i have a 20gig hdd |
| 16:17.38 | solemnwarning | not much space for 2os's |
| 16:17.47 | solemnwarning | and constant rebooting... |
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| 16:18.39 | rbochan | so what on this earth would make you think that a config file taken from oen distro would work on another? are they even the same versions? |
| 16:18.39 | Justin | solemnwarning: copying the config from fedora was a mistake |
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| 16:19.01 | rbochan | install swat and set up a config file |
| 16:19.03 | positrix | solemnwarning: until about 4 months ago i was dual-booting debian and win98se off a 5gig hdd |
| 16:19.26 | rbochan | and quit whining just because you're being lazy |
| 16:19.34 | solemnwarning | and the config is fine |
| 16:19.43 | solemnwarning | why does debian abort? |
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| 16:19.49 | solemnwarning | even a new config dont work |
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| 16:20.12 | solemnwarning | niether a new one made with http://localhost:631 or the fedora config work |
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| 16:20.19 | solemnwarning | debian just aborts the job |
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| 16:20.21 | Justin | solemnwarning: what did I tell you to do half an hour ago |
| 16:20.35 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 16:21.01 | Justin | solemnwarning: maybe you should stop repeating your useless whiny question and do what people tell you? |
| 16:21.13 | solemnwarning | what did u say? |
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| 16:21.40 | Justin | 11:31 < Justin> solemnwarning: enable debugging, read the logs |
| 16:21.46 | solemnwarning | i have |
| 16:21.57 | rbochan | sad |
| 16:21.59 | solemnwarning | its just spewing out a load of crap |
| 16:22.03 | rbochan | Robert Smith sad |
| 16:22.10 | depredadorsexi | OLA |
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| 16:22.21 | depredadorsexi | OLA OCIO |
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| 16:22.28 | hanse | !es |
| 16:22.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:23.08 | hanse | ! chile |
| 16:23.12 | hanse | ! espaņa |
| 16:23.16 | hanse | ! venezuela |
| 16:23.28 | PeterB | hanse: ? |
| 16:23.45 | Jacobo221 | i completly roke the apt packages list by adding a shitty non-official kde repository. how can i delete the packages list to "start again from the begginning"? |
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| 16:23.59 | Toaster_ | hello |
| 16:24.00 | hanse | anybody can help me |
| 16:24.03 | Jacobo221 | hanse: #debian-es |
| 16:24.06 | hanse | i know |
| 16:24.12 | hanse | but can u help me |
| 16:24.25 | PeterB | !u |
| 16:24.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:24.30 | Jacobo221 | hanse: i dont' even know what your problem is |
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| 16:24.46 | jim | Damnit PeterB! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:24.49 | hanse | i got a problem with the instalation of the NVIDEA driver |
| 16:24.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/RopAds.aspx?adv=32664&ad=1851151 |
| 16:25.02 | PeterB | Haha. /whois u |
| 16:25.04 | ralf | how can i know why a package has not entered testing yet? |
| 16:25.04 | hanse | i update my kernel |
| 16:25.22 | hanse | and than the instalation say that my grapichs kernel is not good |
| 16:25.24 | Jacobo221 | hanse: that's not the way to go. you say "my problem is ...", and then "can someone help me?". not otherwise |
| 16:25.36 | RichiH | abrotman: i found the bug, reported it along with a diff, should fixed in today's image (had no time to look, yet) |
| 16:25.39 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: tell hanse -about smart questions |
| 16:25.39 | Jacobo221 | hanse: so, update your kernel |
| 16:25.46 | Toaster_ | i have a problem on the Installation with my networkcard, it is a RTL8169/8110, detected, but doesn't work on DHCP or STATIC at all??? |
| 16:25.46 | RichiH | erm, patch |
| 16:25.48 | Jacobo221 | FieldySnuts: thanks :) |
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| 16:26.04 | jim | ralf: three words: BTS |
| 16:26.05 | spoofer | Hi all I'm running debian testing. When I close an opened message in evolution, it crashes, is there a way to find out what's wrong using a debug output when lauching evolution? |
| 16:26.30 | rbochan | spoofer: have you tried launching it from a term window? |
| 16:26.46 | spoofer | rbochan: yes, nothing appears |
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| 16:26.53 | Rock` | hello, How to install identd, and how it works plz? |
| 16:27.07 | jim | Toaster_: you will have to -greatly- expand on "doesn't work" |
| 16:27.19 | jim | Toaster_: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 16:27.31 | rbochan | Rock`: man apt-get, install identd, man identd |
| 16:27.42 | Rock` | okay |
| 16:27.59 | rbochan | spoofer: tried strace? |
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| 16:28.58 | spoofer | rbochan: no, I'mgoing to try it |
| 16:29.02 | Toaster_ | jim: hi, well on DHCP, i can't get my ip adress, and on static, samething, cannot ping gateway |
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| 16:29.10 | SuperFly | finally just did / on my 70gb RAID and /data on my other 70gb drive |
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| 16:29.24 | jim | Toaster_: can you ping yourself? |
| 16:29.32 | Rock` | anybody knows how the identd works? |
| 16:29.32 | Toaster_ | yes |
| 16:29.50 | jim | ok, can you rule out the card as the problem? |
| 16:29.50 | Toaster_ | jim: i can ping localhost or the ip i put |
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| 16:30.19 | spoofer | rbochan: Well I'm getting something but it's not really understandable.. |
| 16:30.22 | Toaster_ | jim: you mean, if the card can be the problem? well, i'm in WInXP now, with the same card |
| 16:30.45 | jim | ok, good... what IP is that, what's the netmask and what's the gateways (internal) address? |
| 16:31.16 | jim | ok, that would rule out the card -and- the cable and any hub and cable to gw as the problem |
| 16:31.31 | TwistedEmotions | How come apt doesnt have any new kernels? I am running unstable and it's been stuck at freaking 2.6.11 for weeks now.. |
| 16:31.55 | Toaster_ | jim: 192.168.0.3, gtw: 192.168.0.1, netmask will be: 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:32.03 | Rock` | anybody knows how the identd works? |
| 16:32.12 | Frozen-Solid[Sle | i'm having problems with dependencies when i apt-get mplayer-powerpc |
| 16:32.14 | greycat | Rock`: badly. |
| 16:32.33 | jim | Toaster_: will be? I don't understand |
| 16:32.37 | greycat | get the source, or read RFC 1413 |
| 16:32.38 | Rock` | hello greycat :) |
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| 16:32.49 | Toaster_ | jim: i mean is |
| 16:32.53 | Rock` | i wanna know what does it do? |
| 16:33.01 | SuperFly | should I run woody or sarge on a production server? |
| 16:33.04 | greycat | RFC 1413 will tell you |
| 16:33.08 | Toaster_ | jim: same adress that i have right now |
| 16:33.12 | greycat | SuperFly: sarge |
| 16:33.20 | jim | ok, that does sound ok... |
| 16:33.23 | SuperFly | thanx |
| 16:33.47 | jim | so it sounds like it's somehow related to the card and the linux driver |
| 16:34.10 | Toaster_ | jim: i notice also something weird, if i try to ping the localhost, it is said: "host unreachable" but on ifconfig -a, TX and RX are 0 all the time |
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| 16:35.27 | jim | Toaster_: can't ping localhost? weird |
| 16:35.45 | jim | that sounds like lo is not up |
| 16:36.02 | Schiz0 | What does TTY stand for? |
| 16:36.05 | greycat | teletype |
| 16:36.09 | cplx | ^ |
| 16:36.17 | jim | Terry Teases You |
| 16:36.27 | Toaster_ | jim: no no... i can ping localhost, but when i try to ping, with ifconfig -a command, under ETH0 it is 0 for RX and TX |
| 16:36.28 | Schiz0 | Heh, Alright then |
| 16:36.38 | positrix | on a side note, my bootup process takes about four minutes, and seems to be loading more kernel modules than i need, and probing for non existan hardware. where would i look for information about straightening out the unholy mess that is my debian box starting up? |
| 16:36.40 | Toaster_ | try to ping gtw |
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| 16:36.56 | jim | ok |
| 16:37.06 | Toaster_ | jim: and my gatweway is 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:37.23 | jim | if you just run ifconfig, which interfaces appear (-no- -a) |
| 16:37.31 | Toaster_ | jim: le0 and eth0 |
| 16:37.38 | jim | no lo |
| 16:37.39 | rbochan | le0? |
| 16:37.48 | jim | the liOn |
| 16:37.50 | Toaster_ | lo0 yes... osrry |
| 16:38.04 | jim | lo0? :) never seen that one :) |
| 16:38.14 | rbochan | jim: it's flushable ;) |
| 16:38.40 | Toaster_ | jim: lo |
| 16:38.45 | Toaster_ | jim: lo and eth0 |
| 16:38.56 | Isumi | hi, is there a command to reconfigure the network connection? |
| 16:38.59 | Toaster_ | sorry guys, i'm used to use le0 on solaris ;) |
| 16:39.17 | greycat | lan0 on HP-UX |
| 16:39.19 | jim | can someone take over who knows mroe about the rtl card specifically? he's done everything right it seems like... |
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| 16:39.29 | jim | I can't stay |
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| 16:39.52 | Toaster_ | anyone can help me and jim please ;) |
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| 16:40.05 | rbochan | positrix: discover/hotplug things happening perhaps? |
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| 16:40.18 | jim | Toaster_: good luck; looks good so far. |
| 16:40.20 | rbochan | Toaster_: is the correct module loading? |
| 16:40.24 | Toaster_ | maybe i should try with old Kernel, like 2.4 |
| 16:40.32 | Toaster_ | jim: thx for your time :) |
| 16:40.42 | jim | rbochan: thanks |
| 16:41.15 | rbochan | Toaster_: one other thing.. have you actually _powered_ the machine down instead of just rebooting? rtl cards are notoriously cheap and shitty |
| 16:41.16 | Toaster_ | rbochan: yes, it is supposed to be |
| 16:41.39 | Toaster_ | rbochan: no i've only rebooted it |
| 16:41.44 | rbochan | can't hurt to try |
| 16:41.53 | rbochan | I've had pcmcia bridges that that had to be done on |
| 16:41.53 | Toaster_ | rbochan: hehe yeah... |
| 16:42.34 | rbochan | if your module's correct, and your setup's correct, and the hardware works, I'm not sure what else to tell you |
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| 16:42.44 | Toaster_ | rbochan: but you don't thing it can be the Kernel? i read somewhere that people can't do it with the installation of 2.6 kernel, so they install an older version of Debian, then upgrade to kernel 2.6? |
| 16:42.47 | greycat | check dmesg for errors |
| 16:42.53 | Isumi | Hi, someone can help me? I have trouble using the network interface |
| 16:43.14 | FieldySnuts | can you be less vague? |
| 16:43.19 | rbochan | Toaster_: it's possible, of course, and you can install with a 2.4 kernel... it actually defaults to it |
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| 16:43.58 | Isumi | dhclient says that there is no dhcpoffer |
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| 16:44.09 | Isumi | but with knoppix it works well |
| 16:44.18 | jim | you can also just install the 2.4 kernel now without reinstalling debian |
| 16:44.36 | Toaster_ | rbochan: maybe i can try that too... but i have to find the net install with 2.4 included, hummm |
| 16:44.47 | rbochan | Toaster_: what jim said |
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| 16:45.09 | adaran | is there a "debian way" for compiling a custom kernel module without compiling a custom kernel? (if there is no source package for the module?) |
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| 16:45.19 | greycat | adaran: module-assistant |
| 16:45.28 | drac | Toaster_: For your information, default kernel in netinstallation is 2.4. |
| 16:45.29 | Toaster_ | well, i've only install the minimum install, so i have nothing installed, because i can connect to the internet to download the package |
| 16:45.38 | Toaster_ | drac: really? damn |
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| 16:46.12 | Toaster_ | yeah it is true |
| 16:46.21 | behrouz | help, i'm trying to find the login for a disk image (tyring to boot the debian uml from this disk image), i was told to mount the disk image and go to etc/shadow and copy the contents of 'shadow' into 'shadow-', but this didn't work plz help |
| 16:46.31 | Isumi | anyone has an idea about my problem? dhclient says "No dhcpoffers received", but with knoppix it works well... |
| 16:46.35 | dimbit | anyone know how to get midi set up and working? |
| 16:46.36 | ohrlaf | hi @ll. A question to traffic shaping: does ingress shaping support htb? |
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| 16:46.42 | adaran | greycat, doesn't that require that i have a debian package of the source installed? |
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| 16:47.06 | Toaster_ | Hummm i'm out of idea... |
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| 16:47.31 | Toaster_ | i wanted to try Debian, but i think i'll have to pass |
| 16:47.31 | greycat | adaran: dunno... |
| 16:47.48 | Isumi | Toaster_, what is your card? |
| 16:47.58 | greycat | Toaster_: install the debian base system, then copy a working kernel + modules over to it manually, edit menu.lst as required, and continue on. |
| 16:48.19 | greycat | or build a custom install CD |
| 16:48.32 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 16:48.33 | dpkg | well, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 16:48.35 | jim | Toaster_: it's possible for you to get a .deb of the 2.4 kernel image (floppy, burn a cd, download using windows then boot linux and mount your win partn then copy, etc) |
| 16:48.36 | Toaster_ | Isumi: RTL8169/8110 |
| 16:48.48 | rbochan | Bac9: was it you that was trying to fogiure out matrox fb issues? |
| 16:49.13 | Bac9 | rbochan: yep |
| 16:49.20 | greycat | I think 8169 is what my wife's laptop has. Knoppix (whichever version it was) didn't work very well on it. NIC kept not-working. |
| 16:49.20 | jim | (this may or may not solve your problem, just noting that it's possible to download a package file and install it) |
| 16:49.22 | dimbit | "could not open /dev/sequencer" - any ideas? |
| 16:49.27 | rbochan | Bac9: clicky clicky... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293430 |
| 16:49.28 | Bac9 | rbochan: trying to figure out how to set resolution |
| 16:50.00 | Isumi | greycat, do you have an idea to solve my problem? |
| 16:50.01 | Toaster_ | jim: but is is a good idea :) |
| 16:50.06 | behrouz | does anyone know anything about my problem |
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| 16:50.17 | Bac9 | rbochan: yeah that's with fbset, but how do you set the initial resolution at boot? |
| 16:50.18 | behrouz | help, i'm trying to find the login for a disk image (tyring to boot the debian uml from this disk image), i was told to mount the disk image and go to etc/shadow and copy the contents of 'shadow' into 'shadow-', but this didn't work |
| 16:50.19 | Tecky | GDlib extension -- what do i need to install to get this enabled ? |
| 16:50.43 | Toaster_ | greycat: hmmm but me it doesn't work at all... i have KNoppix here, and it work fine |
| 16:51.07 | jim | you say knoppix does work with your net card? |
| 16:51.19 | Isumi | it seems that i have the same problem |
| 16:51.25 | greycat | so use the knoppix kernel you have |
| 16:51.32 | rbochan | Bac9: I just ran across that, thought I'd share it |
| 16:51.32 | Bac9 | rbochan: besides I am on 2.6.10, so this bug shouldn't effect me |
| 16:51.33 | Isumi | but it's a 8139, not a 8169 |
| 16:51.41 | Toaster_ | jim: yes |
| 16:51.44 | Bac9 | rbochan: thanx for the thought :-) |
| 16:51.56 | Frozen-Solid | i'm getting "E: Package libjack0.80.0-0 has no installation candidate" and "E: Package libdirectfb-0.9-20 has no installation candidate" when trying to apt-get mplayer-powerpc - can anyone help fix this? |
| 16:51.59 | Bac9 | rbochan: it's nice to be rmembered |
| 16:52.04 | greycat | maybe 7-15 is the day the realtek cards all suddenly stop working |
| 16:52.09 | greycat | (cue mysterious music) |
| 16:52.10 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: welcoem to unstable |
| 16:52.28 | Toaster_ | greycat: haha |
| 16:52.34 | Frozen-Solid | so i've heard rbochan -- is it possible to get those packages any way else? |
| 16:52.43 | rbochan | realtek headquarters should be nuked from orbit |
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| 16:52.53 | jim | Toaster_: ok, determine kernel version -or- you could try installing -its- kernel-image package on your debian; if it was packaged using debian's kernel-package, it ought to work fine... |
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| 16:53.04 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: yes, you can get them off the ftp servers of the package repo's |
| 16:53.33 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: it's a bit of a PITA, but it's do-able |
| 16:53.43 | valdyn | behrouz: take the line in /etc/shadow from your currently working system where you know the password, use that line to replace the unknown password line in your uml /etc/shadow |
| 16:53.43 | Frozen-Solid | k... mind walking me through that? i'm not very well versed in doing things via command-line (running debian on my gamecube) |
| 16:53.44 | jim | but other than that, determine kernel version, determine which module is loaded for the card and determine what if any kernel patches were applied by knoppix |
| 16:53.52 | Isumi | greycat, maybe my problem is easyer to solve... any idea? |
| 16:53.56 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: expect more problems with libasound |
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| 16:54.00 | jim | I -really- gotta go |
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| 16:54.06 | Toaster_ | jim: hmm okay let me see that, i'll boot up my Knoppix now within VMware just to check the kernel version |
| 16:54.08 | Frozen-Solid | i got libasound |
| 16:54.52 | Frozen-Solid | the only dependency issues i have are: libbio2jack0 but it is not going to be installed and libdirectfb-0.9-20 but it is not installable |
| 16:54.59 | rbochan | yes, but you might have version mismatches |
| 16:55.00 | crn | is anything harmed by using ftp mode ascii on binary files? |
| 16:55.01 | tbx | hypodermic questionibulator: if a person, out of sheer desperation, were to have cobbled together a system using a knoppix disk because getting one's grubby mits on an actual sarge installer would have taken way, way too long... |
| 16:55.05 | Isumi | anyone has an idea about my problem? dhclient says "No dhcpoffers received" and I can't use the network, but with knoppix it works well... |
| 16:55.17 | tbx | .... how difficult would it be to "sarge-ify" the installation? |
| 16:55.21 | Frozen-Solid | rbochan: i already dealt with the version issues for libasound by getting unstable upgraded |
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| 16:55.23 | greycat | Isumi: try all the kernels you have available. |
| 16:55.29 | Frozen-Solid | so asound isn't giving me an error anymore |
| 16:55.32 | greycat | Isumi: maybe one of them will work better than the rest |
| 16:55.47 | adaran | hmm do the debian source packages come preconfigured? as in, if i just compile a kernel from the kernel-source-2.6.10-6 package without changing the configuration - do i end up with the same kernel as if i had used kernel-image-2.6.10 ? |
| 16:55.50 | rbochan | tbx: probably mroe trouble than it's worth |
| 16:56.13 | rbochan | tbx: you could probably download a couple sarge CDs faster than you could clean up the mess |
| 16:56.15 | valdyn | adaran: no, use the kernel-headers packages to compile stuff, thsoe are configured |
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| 16:56.43 | valdyn | adaran: s/stuff/modules/ |
| 16:56.45 | tbx | rbochan: hm. okay. so, is that a total reinstall, or does sarge have a sort of "upgrade my mostly debian-esque system" option? |
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| 16:56.59 | rbochan | tbx: you're joking, right? |
| 16:57.10 | tbx | rbochan: no. I'm pretty new to this distro. |
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| 16:57.20 | Frozen-Solid | so now i just have to get jack and directfb... which i have no idea how to do |
| 16:57.23 | rbochan | why would debian clean up someone else's mess? |
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| 16:57.38 | behrouz | valdyn: thats what i did, replaced the contents of shadow- with shadow, but it doesn't seem to work : |
| 16:57.40 | greycat | rbochan: mkfs.* can do it pretty fast ;-) |
| 16:57.40 | behrouz | ( |
| 16:57.44 | adaran | valdyn, hmm but i'm not sure how to - i'm trying to compile a module that i have no .deb for (wireless LAN drivers from a third-party open source project). so i just need the kernel headers? |
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| 16:57.47 | ALexBO | i've some problems with oracle. can anybody help me? |
| 16:57.55 | valdyn | behrouz: umm, did i mention shadow- ? |
| 16:57.56 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: packages.debian.org and ht the download package link.. it should live in the same directory |
| 16:57.59 | tech13 | how do i get 'grep' (or other program) to output all the text between two lines inclusive? |
| 16:58.04 | tbx | rbochan: [ducking in advance]... but isn't knoppix just debian with tweaks? under the hood, it's debian. All the package sources are debian. Wherein lie the differences? |
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| 16:58.10 | adaran | valdyn, the modules own makefile wants to change to /lib/modules/2.6.10/build and run make - but there's no makefile there on my system |
| 16:58.11 | greycat | tech13: sed -n '/foo/,/bar/p' |
| 16:58.17 | asg | ALexBO: #oracle maybe |
| 16:58.17 | rbochan | !tell tbx about knoppix |
| 16:58.28 | dupondje | what version of debian should i use for AMD64 ?? |
| 16:58.30 | ALexBO | asg: yes, i'm there. bye |
| 16:58.45 | valdyn | adaran: why would a module run make in your kernel source tree? that is fucked up. |
| 16:58.50 | rbochan | greycat: you are correct sir! |
| 16:58.51 | greycat | dupondje: #debian-amd64 can help |
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| 16:59.05 | tech13 | greycat: thank you |
| 16:59.14 | tbx | rbochan: i bow my head in chagrin. |
| 16:59.31 | rbochan | tbx: you do that around her and you get your temperature taken |
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| 17:00.32 | SDFH_Linux | lol @ rbochan |
| 17:00.35 | behrouz | valydin: so u mean there r two folder in /etc/shadow |
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| 17:01.08 | behrouz | valydin: i mean there r two different folder of /etc/shadow |
| 17:01.30 | valdyn | behrouz: /etc/shadow on your 'native' system, and /etc/shadow in your uml thing |
| 17:01.35 | tbx | rbochan: okay, one last seemingly minor but big deal to me question, having determined to go download sarge: does the installer force LILO, or does one have the option to use GRUB? [I am LILO cursed]... |
| 17:01.51 | rbochan | tbx: grub by default, lilo by choice |
| 17:02.03 | valdyn | adaran: it could be running 'make oldconfig', that is possible with kernel-headers packages. |
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| 17:02.21 | tbx | rbochan: boyoyoinnggg! Dunno why, but that's a big deal to me. |
| 17:02.25 | tbx | Thanks. |
| 17:02.27 | behrouz | valdyn: i can't login to my uml, how can i have access to /etc/shadow in my uml? |
| 17:02.28 | adaran | valdyn, make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10/build SUBDIRS=/home/adaran/tmp/zd1211 modules |
| 17:02.32 | rbochan | tbx: you should read this... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#install-sarge |
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| 17:02.35 | Seanfeld | hello, I had debian setup with raid 1 on 2 160 hard drives. I had to wipe the box and start clean but for some reason now when I try to partition the drives they are only 140. Anybody know how I can get the 20 MB back? |
| 17:02.35 | adaran | valdyn,that's what it's trying to execute |
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| 17:02.42 | valdyn | behrouz: by mounting the image? |
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| 17:02.54 | adaran | valdyn, i don't know anything about the kernel 2.6 build system though |
| 17:02.59 | Frozen-Solid | rbochan; okay so now that i have a .deb, how do i install it? |
| 17:03.00 | valdyn | adaran: so just use the kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package |
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| 17:03.07 | tbx | rbochan: okay, I'm off. Thank you for your tolerance and patience. |
| 17:03.08 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: man dpkg |
| 17:03.16 | rbochan | tbx: good luck |
| 17:03.47 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: this hsould be of use to you as well... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 17:03.58 | tbx | rbochan: I'm Yet Another Mandrake/Mandriva/Mandrivoris/Man Diva evacuee.... |
| 17:04.02 | RichK | Hmm, having a hard time finding kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 for source to install ndiswrapper. When I apt-get it, it says it's already installed and won't download it. I tried the kernel off kernel.org (2.4.27) and then compiled ndiswrapepr to it, but gave an error when trying to load module because of kernel version errors. |
| 17:04.18 | adaran | valdyn, hmm that package contains a makefile... hold on, i think a big lightbulb just appeared over my head |
| 17:04.30 | RichK | Is there a way to get the -2-686? I tried using -d switch in apt-get also and tried searching google, only to find 386 versions. |
| 17:04.33 | valdyn | RichK: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:04.40 | RichK | Ahh |
| 17:04.53 | valdyn | adaran: right, b/c the kernel-headers packages are readily configured |
| 17:05.00 | rbochan | tbx: can't help you there, haven't used drake since 8.2 |
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| 17:05.09 | RichK | Ahh man |
| 17:05.10 | adaran | valdyn, woohoo =) |
| 17:05.12 | RichK | that's awesome. =P |
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| 17:05.26 | positrix | tbx: feels good doesn't it? (said as a fellow evacuee) |
| 17:05.34 | adaran | valdyn, just changed a few things around in the makefile and now it seems to run =) |
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| 17:05.49 | valdyn | adaran: err, actually, any linux kedrnel source tree contains a makefile too, but still stick to the kernel-headers package, since that is what it is made for |
| 17:06.10 | tbx | positrix: feels better so far, and that's just with a knoppix-->hd with raw debian kernel replacement. |
| 17:06.17 | valdyn | adaran: that doesnt sound good, unless you know what youre doing. |
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| 17:07.01 | Atula | how do I format an NTFS hard drive with linux? |
| 17:07.08 | adaran | valdyn, well, i think i do. the path of /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build was hardcoded into the makefile |
| 17:07.23 | behrouz | valdyn: should i replace everthing in the uml shadow or some specific lines?? |
| 17:07.23 | Atula | I have 2 hard drives.... will put linux onto one and hoping to use the other one as ntfs file system |
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| 17:07.32 | valdyn | adaran: into the makefile of your module you are trying to compile? |
| 17:07.34 | adaran | valdyn, so i changed that to /usr/src/linux, which is a symlink to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-686-1, which contains the makefile |
| 17:07.52 | valdyn | behrouz: not everything, just the line for root with the line for root from your 'native' debian. |
| 17:07.53 | Atula | ? |
| 17:07.55 | adaran | valdyn, i changed the modules makefile. it just calls make on the makefile of the kernels own module build system |
| 17:08.06 | Toaster_ | hmmm so in Kernel version 2.4.26, my network card is working |
| 17:08.08 | adaran | valdyn, well the result is a working .ko, i'll sere if it works |
| 17:08.15 | valdyn | adaran: yea, that is fine. |
| 17:08.16 | rbochan | Toaster_: there you go then |
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| 17:08.22 | rbochan | Toaster_: same module? |
| 17:08.30 | adaran | valdyn, zd1211 - version 5000 usbcore: registered new driver zd1211 -- that came from dmesg, so i think it works =) |
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| 17:08.42 | Toaster_ | rbochan: i'm in knoppix |
| 17:08.56 | rbochan | yes, but is it the same module loading? |
| 17:09.29 | Atula | I have 2 hard drives.... will put linux onto one and hoping to use the other one as ntfs file system? |
| 17:09.32 | Atula | !ntfs |
| 17:09.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
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| 17:10.27 | FieldySnuts | as read only yes, there is no safe way to write to ntfs (captive ntfs is not an answer) |
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| 17:10.40 | tbx | oh, one other question - I do aptitude video-dvdrip, and it shows up, but when I do aptitude install video-dvdrip, it says no candidate. Oy!? |
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| 17:11.32 | snail | tbx: try "apt-get install video-dvdrip" it often give better error messages |
| 17:11.49 | valdyn | tbx: aptitude video-dvdrip only shows the aptitude help text |
| 17:11.55 | tbx | snail: actually I tried that first, and got /less/ useful info. |
| 17:12.11 | tbx | snail: well, less useful to me, at least. |
| 17:12.51 | tbx | valdyn: and I meant aptitude /search/ video-dvdrip |
| 17:12.53 | rbochan | tbx try dvdrip |
| 17:12.53 | snail | tbx: what makes you think that there's a package video-dvdrip? |
| 17:12.54 | Toaster_ | rbochan, have to reboot, brb |
| 17:13.07 | reco | what is the best cronjob to auto update my debian 3.1? |
| 17:13.12 | tbx | snail: aptitude search video-dvdrip says so? |
| 17:13.35 | FieldySnuts | reco: none. that's too important of a task to automate |
| 17:13.38 | tbx | rbochan: is that the same package as video-dvdrip, officially known as dvd::rip ? |
| 17:13.46 | rbochan | I couldn't tell you |
| 17:13.50 | snail | hmm, are you using stable? |
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| 17:14.00 | Frozen-Solid | oh sh. yay it's working -- thanks rbochan... only took downloading like 10 packages manually, but i got it :D |
| 17:14.01 | reco | yes |
| 17:14.05 | reco | i am using stabe |
| 17:14.11 | rbochan | right on |
| 17:14.28 | reco | FieldySnuts: just want to be sure that the actual security paches are in there.... |
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| 17:14.53 | FieldySnuts | these days, *what* security patches.</troll> |
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| 17:15.08 | Osax | hey all |
| 17:15.15 | SDFH_Linux | hi |
| 17:15.18 | abrotman | RichiH: for that installer issue ? |
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| 17:15.25 | snail | tbx: "aptitude search video-dvdrip" doesn't give me _anything_ |
| 17:15.27 | abrotman | RichiH: you're never here!!! |
| 17:15.34 | Osax | does 'sid' differ than 'unstable' when put in sources.list? |
| 17:15.36 | FieldySnuts | lies |
| 17:15.48 | Osax | s/than/from |
| 17:15.52 | valdyn | Osax: no |
| 17:15.57 | Osax | valdyn, thanks |
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| 17:16.08 | rbochan | valdyn: he'll be back.... ;) |
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| 17:16.50 | poseidon2010 | can anyone help me with a knoppix question |
| 17:16.55 | rbochan | no |
| 17:16.58 | Schiz0 | Knoppix? |
| 17:16.59 | valdyn | poseidon2010: no |
| 17:17.03 | Schiz0 | This is #Debian. |
| 17:17.05 | snail | poseidon2010: #knoppix is the place |
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| 17:17.18 | poseidon2010 | o ok sorry i didnt know that existed ill go there |
| 17:17.26 | snail | poseidon2010: you can expect to wait a bit there |
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| 17:19.50 | RichiH | abrotman: i can't do anything if irssi decides to disconnect ;) |
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| 17:20.39 | zimnyx | hello! |
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| 17:20.52 | abrotman | RichiH: you did mean for the installer bug ? |
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| 17:21.24 | positrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.25 | RichiH | abrotman: yes, indeed |
| 17:21.29 | zimnyx | my system is working in iso-8859-2 locale, it is easy to switch locale to UTF (config files too) ? |
| 17:21.41 | abrotman | RichiH: so it's fixed ? |
| 17:21.56 | positrix | s/thinik/thinking |
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| 17:22.31 | behrouz | valdyn: do i just replace the root line of the uml in etc/shadow, what about shadow-, i replaced the line in shadow but it didn't work :( |
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| 17:22.52 | rbochan | zimnyx: you can reconfigure via dpkg... man page for more info |
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| 17:23.00 | luliana | i would like you to help me to install soulseek |
| 17:23.17 | zimnyx | rbochan: you men dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 17:23.22 | rbochan | yep |
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| 17:24.22 | zimnyx | rbochan: does it change config files to UTF encoding too? |
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| 17:24.37 | kamaraju | Is there any way to disable the kde splash screen that comes up whenever I login and do startx |
| 17:24.39 | rbochan | I can't say for sure, but isn't it worth a try? |
| 17:24.50 | rbochan | kamaraju: kde control center |
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| 17:25.14 | zimnyx | rbochan: i think it doesn;t |
| 17:25.22 | RichiH | abrotman: i think so, yes. at least, they updated the appropriate file on svn |
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| 17:25.30 | kamaraju | rbochan: I checked with kcontrol. There is no option to disable it. We can only change the splash screen. |
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| 17:25.31 | RichiH | abrotman: i can't check atm |
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| 17:25.54 | rbochan | kamaraju: I'm looking here and see a "none" option |
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| 17:26.41 | rbochan | kamaraju: you might also try removing the ksplash package |
| 17:26.42 | abrotman | RichiH: now if only you could get etch released ... you're such a slacker :) |
| 17:26.51 | kamaraju | rbochan: What distribution are you using? I am using sid. kde is upto date on that. All I see is Default, Redmond, Standard, blue-bend. |
| 17:26.54 | J_P | anyone here use Openldap+SSL/TLS in sarge ? |
| 17:27.04 | rbochan | sid here too, but kde 3.4.1 |
| 17:27.18 | rbochan | !anyone |
| 17:27.18 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 17:27.57 | enoon | hi |
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| 17:28.06 | rbochan | zimnyx: guess I'm of no help then, sorry |
| 17:28.44 | enoon | does anyone know why the default value of forward x in /etc/ssh/sshd is set to false? |
| 17:29.00 | OvrLrd-Q | anybody know how to mv a file that starts with a -l ? I tried escaping it with a \ as well as trying it in quotes, but it still keeps telling me: "mv: invalid option -- l" |
| 17:29.01 | enoon | because it does not prevent anyone from anything |
| 17:29.04 | Frozen-Solid | ls: .: Permission denied <- why is ls telling me permission denied? :( |
| 17:29.05 | Schiz0 | So it doesn't forward X? |
| 17:29.20 | zimnyx | rbochan: thanks |
| 17:29.25 | kamaraju | rbochan: I am removing the ksplash package and will test this and get back. Have to close the xchat for this. |
| 17:29.26 | rbochan | OvrLrd-Q: oput it in quotes |
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| 17:29.35 | Frozen-Solid | i'm trying to access a smb share from my other linux box |
| 17:29.37 | OvrLrd-Q | rbochan: tried it in quites |
| 17:29.38 | Toaster_ | hello |
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| 17:29.41 | rbochan | OvrLrd-Q: aka rm "-lblah" |
| 17:29.46 | enoon | it prevents me from forwarding x11 by giving ssh the -X |
| 17:29.52 | Toaster_ | i'm in Knoppix now, and the network card is working fine |
| 17:30.02 | enoon | i have to manualy set my DISPLAY var |
| 17:30.03 | rbochan | Toaster_: but is it the same module? |
| 17:30.07 | OvrLrd-Q | rbochan: tried that |
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| 17:30.26 | enoon | and set xhost on the machine with the X |
| 17:30.31 | enoon | (sshclient) |
| 17:30.41 | positrix | Frozen-Solid: you dont have read permission for the directory |
| 17:30.54 | snail | enoon: ssh is rightly paranoid aobut security |
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| 17:31.05 | rbochan | OvrLrd-Q: got a gui on it? |
| 17:31.06 | Frozen-Solid | i've set up the mount the same exact way i did with my cdrom share, and it's working fine |
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| 17:31.12 | Toaster_ | rbochan: okay where do i see that |
| 17:31.16 | OvrLrd-Q | rbochan: no |
| 17:31.16 | dupondje | how can i get my nforce4 nic working ? :( |
| 17:31.18 | rbochan | Toaster_: lsmod |
| 17:31.23 | positrix | how do i tell aptitude to forget all pending installs/removals ? |
| 17:31.36 | kamaraju | rbochan: I removed the ksplash and it is not showing the splash screen anymore. Thanks |
| 17:31.37 | enoon | it AINT secure... i can do what fwx in sshdconf does as a regular user manually |
| 17:31.49 | enoon | its just annoying |
| 17:31.55 | Toaster_ | rbochan: r8169 |
| 17:32.00 | rbochan | kamaraju: cheers |
| 17:32.01 | mike-m | positrix, show up in /var/lib/aptitude/ |
| 17:32.02 | enoon | or - i dont know what it is good for |
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| 17:32.09 | Toaster_ | rbochan: hmm can't remember is it was that |
| 17:32.11 | rbochan | Toaster_: was that the same module as in deb? |
| 17:32.39 | Toaster_ | no sure man, i'll have to boot in debian again maybe :) |
| 17:32.51 | Frozen-Solid | positrix: so how do i add read permission to it? |
| 17:32.54 | rbochan | OvrLrd-Q: man rm.. it's in there |
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| 17:33.03 | Toaster_ | rbochan: BUT there is a thing a am sure, it is not the same IRQ !!! |
| 17:33.06 | kamaraju | What exactly are .udeb files? Are they different from .deb files? Where can I find info about them (howto/faq may be)? |
| 17:33.16 | OvrLrd-Q | rbochan: nm I did mv ./-lfile |
| 17:33.19 | rbochan | Toaster_: perhaps you can reload the module with htat irq |
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| 17:33.24 | positrix | Frozen-Solid: chmod? |
| 17:34.00 | Toaster_ | rbochan: and the base address is not the same too |
| 17:34.25 | rbochan | Toaster_: weird |
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| 17:34.50 | rbochan | Toaster_: make note of the settings and see how it's loaded under deb |
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| 17:35.05 | rbochan | perhaps you can force those somewhow |
| 17:35.20 | Toaster_ | rbochan: how can i force it |
| 17:35.48 | rbochan | sad to say in my case.. manually I'm not sure.. i've too long gotten used to using the modconf util |
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| 17:36.15 | RichiH | abrotman: pft :p |
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| 17:36.28 | kyniu | :) |
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| 17:37.07 | rbochan | smoke break |
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| 17:37.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:38.14 | Frozen-Solid | positrix: i just tried chmod and it's not making a difference |
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| 17:38.23 | behrouz | help, i'm trying to find the login for a disk image (trying to boot the debian uml from this disk image) , i mounted the disk image and copied the line in root (in etc/shadow in my native system) into the /etc/shadow of the uml disk image, but this didn't work plz help |
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| 17:38.52 | cartman | anyone knows when Debconf5 will be over? |
| 17:38.53 | asg | behrouz: mount the image via loopback, chroot to it, type passwd |
| 17:38.55 | positrix | Frozen-Solid: in that case i have no idea what to do. |
| 17:39.05 | Frozen-Solid | it'd just be chmod +r <folder> right? |
| 17:39.18 | asg | cartman: there is a website, it should list the calendar |
| 17:39.22 | dupondje | how can i get my nforce4 nic working ? :( plz :( |
| 17:39.26 | cartman | ok thanks |
| 17:39.30 | Frozen-Solid | hm. if i have it moutned and try it says ... chmod: cannot access `Videos': Permission denied |
| 17:39.43 | JJK | Hello, mod_rewrite doesn't work with Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e PHP/5.0.4. I always get a 500 error, only RewriteEngine On (without rules) is enough to cause this. Can anyone tell me what I can do? |
| 17:39.52 | behrouz | asg: how do i mount the image via loopback (no clue what loopback is) |
| 17:40.06 | Schiz0 | behrouz- loopback is localhost |
| 17:40.25 | asg | behrouz: try mount -o loop,ro imagefile /mnt/point |
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| 17:40.41 | Jacobo221 | is there no deb package for Azareus? |
| 17:40.55 | greycat | no, probably not, since I've never heard of that. |
| 17:41.00 | greycat | there's Azureus, though. |
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| 17:41.06 | enoon | well than -so long and thanks for the all the fish |
| 17:41.28 | behrouz | asg: oh right i already have mounted the disk image, what is the next step? thx |
| 17:41.33 | asg | behrouz: oh, and remove the ',ro' |
| 17:41.48 | asg | behrouz: unmount it, mount it again (without ,ro) |
| 17:42.23 | asg | behrouz: then 1) chroot /mnt/point. 2) password (enter new root password) 3) type 'exit' 4) umount /mnt/point |
| 17:42.26 | positrix | Frozen-Solid: when accessing over smb, i think you are classified as an "other" meaning you will neew to set those permissions, which would be chmod +ar directory |
| 17:43.02 | Frozen-Solid | chmod: invalid mode string: `+ar' |
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| 17:43.51 | Jacobo221 | greycat: oh, true :) thanks. there is one then |
| 17:43.52 | behrouz | asg: do i go umount -o loop imagefile /mnt/point to unmount? |
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| 17:44.23 | asg | behrouz: no, just umount /mnt/point (to mount it, use mount -o loop imagefile /mnt/point) |
| 17:44.33 | positrix | Frozen-Solid: make that a+r |
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| 17:44.41 | Jacobo221 | and is there any deb package of Eclipse? packages.debian.org-contrib shows one, but seems un-aptitudable (what a ver :P) |
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| 17:45.28 | Frozen-Solid | ls: .: Permission denied <- no change |
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| 17:45.53 | greycat | Frozen-Solid: needs +x perms too. |
| 17:45.57 | greycat | !wikifaq Frozen-Solid Permissions |
| 17:46.02 | dpkg | Frozen-Solid: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:46.05 | pablum | what? where'd Alt-BS go in my bash session? |
| 17:46.11 | dupondje | how can i load forcedeth network driver ? |
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| 17:46.18 | dupondje | just installed sarge |
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| 17:46.25 | greycat | dupondje: using the 2.6 or 2.4 kernel? |
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| 17:46.30 | dupondje | 2.6 |
| 17:46.44 | greycat | oh wait, sarge's 2.4 has it. |
| 17:46.57 | greycat | 2.6 might too. what happened when you modprobe'd it? |
| 17:46.58 | Frozen-Solid | greycat: still not making a difference |
| 17:47.11 | greycat | Frozen-Solid: cd somewhere else, then try to see it from the outside |
| 17:47.15 | dupondje | it just to go next line :) |
| 17:47.18 | dupondje | so it loads ? |
| 17:47.19 | dupondje | but then ? |
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| 17:47.49 | Spec | Why won't `mkfs.ricerfs /dev/sda1` work? :-/ |
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| 17:48.29 | stew | Spec: alias mkfs.ricerfs='cat /dev/random >' |
| 17:48.46 | Frozen-Solid | -bash: cd: Videos/My Videos/: Permission denied |
| 17:48.48 | Spec | stew: thanks! that did it, it's working! =^.^= |
| 17:49.02 | behrouz | asg: this only changes the password, how about the login? |
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| 17:49.13 | behrouz | asg: i mean how about the username |
| 17:49.28 | Spec | stew: errr, where'd my data go? |
| 17:49.34 | asg | behrouz: what do you meant 'username'? |
| 17:49.53 | greycat | Frozen-Solid: ls -ld Videos Videos/My\ Videos |
| 17:49.55 | rbochan | oh crap |
| 17:50.00 | pablum | ricer fs? wtf is that? |
| 17:50.04 | greycat | !ricerfs |
| 17:50.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 17:50.12 | Frozen-Solid | /dhcppc1/MyVideos /mnt/Videos smbfs user=frozen-solid,password=lolpasswords,defaults,ro,user,noauto <- could my fstab line be wrong maybe? |
| 17:50.14 | rob-away | pablum: it's for honda motorcycles |
| 17:50.18 | behrouz | asg: there are two things u need to enter for login, username and password |
| 17:50.23 | pablum | haha |
| 17:50.24 | Frozen-Solid | and no, that's not my real password -_-' |
| 17:50.27 | asg | behrouz: yes, root's login is 'root' |
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| 17:50.41 | nicknicknick | okay I have mod_cache, mod_mem_cache and mod_disk_cache enabled on my debian sarge box with apache 2. How do I know if it's working or not? |
| 17:50.44 | hiway | uh, this is probably a problem I've brought on myself through using unstable, but: I've been having big issues with gnome. my main account won't launch gnome apps at all, and gnome behaves... oddly... in my other test accounts |
| 17:50.55 | Frozen-Solid | ls: Videos: Permission denied |
| 17:50.56 | hiway | specifically, the menu bar locks up when I try to log off. |
| 17:51.02 | pablum | I thought that was SuSE, not Gentoo |
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| 17:51.13 | behrouz | asg: i mean when i chroot, and type in my new pswd, only the password is changed what about the username |
| 17:51.17 | Frozen-Solid | everything's exactly the same as the cdrom share i setup last night, but it's not making a difference |
| 17:51.19 | hiway | is there anything I can do to either fix it or regress to something in testing, or am I stuck waiting for unstable to update more? |
| 17:51.35 | dupondje | i did "modprobe forcedeth", but what do i need to do then to get it working ? :s |
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| 17:51.47 | asg | behrouz: I must have missed something somewhere; what are you trying to do. |
| 17:52.49 | behrouz | asg: trying to boot the debian uml from a disk image, but i dont know the username or password to this disk image |
| 17:53.21 | Frozen-Solid | i can't even ls -l videos |
| 17:53.29 | pablum | Spec, you should maybe be careful about the commands people suggest you run. |
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| 17:53.43 | Spec | pablum: ^.~ |
| 17:54.19 | asg | behrouz: root and whatever password you just set. If you need to add users, use adduser(8). If you have a user on there but don't know what it is, look at /etc/passwd. |
| 17:54.38 | Spec | stew: `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` yields better results |
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| 17:55.24 | behrouz | asg: so i chroot /mnt/point, do i just type in my new password, caus that didn't work |
| 17:56.03 | asg | behrouz: what, the command failed? |
| 17:56.10 | rob_lt | Spec, I prefer this one :(){ :|:& };: |
| 17:56.22 | dk0r_ | anyone use mouseemu on a powerbook? im new to linux and need some help getting cntrl+click working |
| 17:56.39 | basix | i have this weird, and i say its weird!, problem. I have apache up and running on my "router" PC. Its working fine and stuff. Its visible to the whole world on my public interface but when I try to visit it through my private network(LAN), its not possible! I have to manually use the private interface's IP to see it :@ |
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| 17:56.47 | Spec | rob_lt: what the hell does that do? |
| 17:56.55 | behrouz | asg: what is the command after i chroot? |
| 17:56.55 | Frozen-Solid | could the problem be on the smbserver side of things? |
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| 17:56.59 | newdebus1 | Help request --- How can I get modconf to ignore the extraversion information in the kernel when determining if a module was compiled for the correct version of the kernel? I get an error saying my kernel was compiled for 2.4.27 rather than 2.4.27-2-386 and will not be loaded on startup. |
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| 17:57.27 | asg | behrouz: passwd (that will reset root's password.) If you want to reset a user's password, type 'passwd <user>' |
| 17:57.39 | rob_lt | Spec, it defines a recursive function that calls itself, and then runs the function... it's all right there staring you in the face ;) |
| 17:57.53 | incorrect | [0:0] -A OUTPUT -dst 62.149.33.178 -o bond1 -dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 62.149.33.178:5080 |
| 17:58.04 | rob_lt | Spec, it is an obfuscated (sp?) fork bomb |
| 17:58.08 | Spec | rob_lt: so it makes a recurisve function that calls itself and makes itself then calls itself |
| 17:58.14 | incorrect | what have i done wrong for that rule to be rejected |
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| 17:58.30 | Spec | rob_lt: I think I'll run it -- that'll take a bunch of cpu, right? |
| 17:58.32 | shark_ | hi :) |
| 17:58.35 | asg | incorrect: ask #iptables |
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| 17:58.56 | rob_lt | Spec, yep, it "shouldn't" do any harm, just max out your CPU and you'll have to reboot |
| 17:59.09 | Spec | rob_lt: I'm trying to do stress testing anyways ^.^ |
| 17:59.15 | rob_lt | Spec, try it and tell me how it works, I've never actually ran it myself |
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| 17:59.20 | Spec | rob_lt: harm doesn't matter, i've got virtual machines |
| 17:59.37 | rob_lt | debian may limit the number of forks by default, this will be a good test ... you're taking one for the team ;) |
| 17:59.53 | BickerB0y | anyone knows to gnuworld very well ? |
| 18:00.05 | Spec | rob_lt: sshh, i'm using ubuntu |
| 18:00.07 | pipeline | rob-away: Actually, it doesn't. |
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| 18:00.28 | pipeline | rob_lt, Spec : Debian is about the only linux distribution besides redhat with no per-user fork limit out of the box :P |
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| 18:00.52 | rob_lt | pipeline, well, let's see if ubuntu put on a fork limit :) |
| 18:00.53 | Spec | pipeline: excellent, i'm gonna run it on 4 vms and see how the vm-server does :) |
| 18:00.58 | basix | anybody have any clues about my problem? |
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| 18:01.21 | pipeline | rob_lt: As they're a desktop-oriented distribution, I would assume they did not. |
| 18:01.28 | natcity | Can anyone suggest a decent mail server? |
| 18:01.32 | oye | shark_, (: |
| 18:01.36 | natcity | besides postfix, going to try something new |
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| 18:01.41 | asg | natcity: exim, postfix, qmail |
| 18:01.44 | pureone | basix what ip address do bind apache to |
| 18:01.51 | basix | pureone, all |
| 18:01.58 | pureone | 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 18:02.00 | Schiz0 | pureone- Just bind it to a port. |
| 18:02.01 | natcity | asg: how is exim's setup? - some what easy? |
| 18:02.03 | basix | yep |
| 18:02.13 | pureone | hmmm thats odd then |
| 18:02.29 | asg | natcity: a basic setup is simple for any of the ones listed. |
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| 18:02.56 | Spec | hahaha |
| 18:03.11 | basix | pureone, the weirdest part is, my "domain naame" resolves to my public ip and my private network cant access that public ip. I always get a "connection refused" while others can see the default install page! |
| 18:03.23 | Spec | rob_lt: if by fork limit you meant will it let the program run until it crashes the computer, then no, it doesn't have a fork limit :p |
| 18:03.34 | rob_lt | Spec, it brought it right down? |
| 18:03.53 | Spec | well, it had a few seconds... |
| 18:03.56 | Spec | wait |
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| 18:04.07 | Spec | Out of Memory: Killed process (bash), (qmgr), ... |
| 18:04.19 | greycat | add a swap file |
| 18:04.26 | Spec | err |
| 18:04.30 | greycat | didn't we just have this discussion a couple hours back? :) |
| 18:04.33 | Spec | umm, 512MEG harddrives |
| 18:04.34 | behrouz | asg: lastly, if i take this disk image on any computer, the password will be the new password right? |
| 18:04.37 | BickerB0y | can anyone tell me why does x not join the irc server if i installed gnuworld completely ? |
| 18:04.38 | MrBallZ | I have a problem, I've been using kernel 2.6.8 for some weeks, and today that i turned the pc on, it didn't go to KDM , and it says that im missing agpgart, but if i boot to kernel 2.4.27 it does go to kdm ,and well im on it right now ... weird thing is computer was fine yesterday ... what can i do ... ???? |
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| 18:05.05 | Spec | rob_lt: It's not technically down, because it's still killing off random processes :) |
| 18:05.23 | asg | behrouz: yes, it's stored in /etc/shadow in the chrooted imagefile. |
| 18:05.58 | basix | pureone, any idea? :O |
| 18:06.05 | behrouz | asg: thanks asg, it worked!!! |
| 18:06.18 | asg | behrouz: you're welcome |
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| 18:06.44 | Spec | Yeah, so I don't recommend running :(){ :|:& };: |
| 18:06.48 | pablum | mmm. 8.4.3 in the bash manual. I don't use a lot of these... |
| 18:06.56 | AjLavJo | i know this ain't knoppix but my fdisk can't find my hda or hdb, is there another way to find them? |
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| 18:07.04 | behrouz | asg: oh one more question, how do i check to c if COW (copy on write) mode works on this disk image |
| 18:07.09 | Spec | AjLavJo: dmesg |grep -i hda |
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| 18:07.31 | pureone | basix you can access it from with in the private network ? |
| 18:08.00 | asg | behrouz: not a clue, didn't even know that uml had COW |
| 18:08.17 | asg | behrouz: or is that part of the Skas host patch |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | to c ? |
| 18:08.23 | Spec | basix: look at your hosts file? |
| 18:08.35 | asg | abrotman: or not to c, that is the perl |
| 18:08.36 | basix | pureone, yes, but only thru its private ip |
| 18:08.42 | abrotman | !slug asg |
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| 18:08.49 | asg | !wax abrotman |
| 18:08.57 | abrotman | !sand asg |
| 18:08.58 | basix | spec, what about it? I already tried http://<my public up>:port |
| 18:09.09 | basix | spec, same error "connection refused!" |
| 18:09.10 | Spec | and that doesn't work? |
| 18:09.13 | asg | abrotman: the best factoids are the ones that don't exist |
| 18:09.18 | pureone | ok the only quick fix i can think of is add its private and domain to /etc/hosts |
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| 18:09.21 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 18:09.29 | pureone | private ip * |
| 18:09.31 | behrouz | asg: the COW mode is on the disk image i believe |
| 18:09.50 | basix | pureone, yep. but shouldn't the public ip one work? |
| 18:09.57 | pureone | yes it should |
| 18:10.00 | Atula | look guys. I've been using Debian and I like it.... NOW, I need to put install a SERVER for work... and they want Fedora Core.... now it's up to 4 I think.... BUT, I really don't think Fedora is a smart plan.... |
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| 18:10.12 | Atula | how long does Debian make a release |
| 18:10.15 | pureone | you should trouble shot with tcpdump on both machines to see whats going on |
| 18:10.25 | Spec | Atula: They just made one. |
| 18:10.27 | Atula | Fedora Cores... updates in like 2 to 3 months |
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| 18:10.35 | asg | behrouz: oh, I see now. I've never done that type of uml setup. |
| 18:10.37 | Spec | Atula: 2-3 years. |
| 18:10.44 | Atula | Spec: I meant, how does it usually takes for debian to release |
| 18:10.50 | Spec | 2-3 years |
| 18:10.50 | basix | pureone, i am n00b at networking, can you tell me what to look at in tcpdump? |
| 18:10.51 | abrotman | me love you long time |
| 18:10.55 | rob_lt | basix: are you on the same machine as the apache server? Try http://127.0.0.1 or http://localhost |
| 18:11.01 | Atula | 2-3 years... as oppose to fedora ... 2-3 monts |
| 18:11.09 | behrouz | asg: alright sweet |
| 18:11.22 | Atula | is it more advantageous to run Debian as a server than Fedora? |
| 18:11.33 | asg | Atula: yes |
| 18:11.34 | Schiz0 | I love debian, and run many-a-servers on it. |
| 18:11.36 | Atula | how can I convince those people that Debian is more stable? |
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| 18:11.50 | pablum | Atula, show them the package managemnet for each. |
| 18:11.50 | shark_ | hi |
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| 18:11.50 | asg | Atula: because debian doesn't come out of the box with Gnome. |
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| 18:11.52 | basix | rob_lt, the machine's near me. it already works with 127.0.0.1, 192.168.0.1, and public ip on the same machine. It's only my lan is problematic |
| 18:12.00 | MrBallZ | anyone can help me ...???? |
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| 18:12.05 | s-ndh-c | hi |
| 18:12.15 | joey__ | which file holds all installed packages ? |
| 18:12.18 | s-ndh-c | i have a weird problem, my backspace key does not work over ssh in some programs |
| 18:12.21 | s-ndh-c | any clues? |
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| 18:12.31 | asg | joey__: dpkg -l |
| 18:12.33 | abrotman | joey__: you mean the Packages file? |
| 18:12.50 | asg | s-ndh-c: try ^H |
| 18:12.51 | abrotman | !backspace |
| 18:12.54 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:13.11 | abrotman | heh .. ctrl-h sucks! |
| 18:13.20 | s-ndh-c | will try |
| 18:13.32 | s-ndh-c | yeah that works |
| 18:13.33 | joey__ | abrotman no, packages I installed on localhost |
| 18:13.39 | greycat | joey__: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 18:13.43 | greycat | joey__: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:13.44 | s-ndh-c | but i want to have my backspace key back |
| 18:13.45 | joey__ | which file dpkg -l reads |
| 18:13.54 | s-ndh-c | its only in some programms |
| 18:13.57 | s-ndh-c | why is that? |
| 18:14.01 | greycat | joey__: status |
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| 18:14.45 | joey__ | I built package myself a while ago and lost it, it's only installed |
| 18:14.58 | joey__ | and can't remove it now for some reason |
| 18:14.59 | s-ndh-c | is there some config file i can set that? |
| 18:15.00 | pablum | s-ndh-c, that's a binding in bash, methinks. But it should be on by default. I have to say Alt-B isn't working for me in fvwm |
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| 18:15.41 | shark_ | test |
| 18:15.43 | pablum | it works on the console, though. And in megadoody |
| 18:15.46 | s-ndh-c | pablum, i will check some stuff in /etc/ |
| 18:15.47 | s-ndh-c | thx |
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| 18:17.24 | pablum | s-ndh-c, s/fvwm/xterm/ |
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| 18:18.43 | pablum | might be a terminfo thing, but setting TERM=linux doesn't help |
| 18:19.04 | s-ndh-c | hm |
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| 18:19.13 | joey__ | greycat I set package to hold , showing hi, how do I install this package and remove its name from the database ? |
| 18:19.23 | joey__ | UNinstall |
| 18:19.31 | greycat | joey__: dpkg --purge |
| 18:19.55 | joey__ | okay done;) |
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| 18:20.35 | nicknicknick | okay I have mod_cache, mod_mem_cache and mod_disk_cache enabled on my debian sarge box with apache 2. How do I know if it's working or not? |
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| 18:20.59 | abrotman | try to use them ? |
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| 18:21.03 | abrotman | check the lgos ? |
| 18:21.05 | joey__ | time to try my wireless nic which is using madwifi and WPA |
| 18:21.06 | rob_lt | nicknicknick, check the var log? |
| 18:21.19 | nicknicknick | rob_lt and find out what? please define |
| 18:21.20 | CyberK | how to force apt-get to think that some package is installed despite it is not? |
| 18:21.29 | asg | CyberK: equivs |
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| 18:21.45 | Atula | okay. so they're convinced that Debian is better for server than fedora core 4.... it's a small business... so they don't have money for RHEL.... |
| 18:21.50 | rob_lt | nicknicknick, it will show those modules being successfully loaded, just take a look through it after you start apache |
| 18:21.54 | Atula | it's the right decision, right. guys? |
| 18:22.03 | nicknicknick | rob_lt you mean error_log? |
| 18:22.10 | abrotman | Atula: only you can decide that |
| 18:22.15 | Atula | ..... |
| 18:22.16 | asg | Atula: sounds good to us; If they want paid Debian support contacts, I think HP now offers them. |
| 18:22.17 | Atula | sigh |
| 18:22.26 | Atula | HP? |
| 18:22.29 | rob_lt | nicknicknick, no, there should be an apache log that shows its startup, what modules it is loading, etc |
| 18:22.38 | rob_lt | nicknicknick, poke around in /var/log |
| 18:22.41 | asg | Atula: Hewlett Packard |
| 18:22.48 | Atula | LOL |
| 18:22.53 | Atula | Hewlett PAckard? |
| 18:22.56 | abrotman | !hp |
| 18:22.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hp is at http://www.hp.com/pressrel/jun99/21jun99g.htm, or *the* original brown sauce from 1889. See: http://www.higherdesign.com/brownsauce/hpsauce.htm. Hewlett Packard, maker of calculators and printers and computers and other silicon goodness |
| 18:22.57 | Atula | don't they make printers? |
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| 18:23.05 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 18:23.22 | abrotman | !tell Schiz0|Away about away |
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| 18:23.32 | asg | abrotman: he's been told many times. |
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| 18:23.37 | abrotman | so get him killed ? |
| 18:23.43 | Atula | I was wondering: in fedora, they use something call httpd but they call it apache.... in Debian... it's apache... I am confused.... why? |
| 18:24.00 | Schiz0|Away | Um, this is the first time I've been told. |
| 18:24.02 | CosmicRay | I'm trying to get Debian to link up with a mobile phone and can't seem to get the pin prompting to work. bluez-pin is installed, but can't find the correct x authinfo (no surprise since it's running as root and my X session isn't for root) |
| 18:24.02 | pablum | HP makes printers. *sigh* |
| 18:24.05 | asg | Atula: just a naming preference |
| 18:24.05 | rob_lt | Atula, how are we supposed to know why you are confused |
| 18:24.07 | Schiz0|Away | I'll disable it. |
| 18:24.10 | mrgenixus | hey, I'm trying to configure apache 1.3 for php4 but I can't seem to get it to run my .php files, it just serves them as binary downloads |
| 18:24.13 | CosmicRay | is there any alternative to bluez-pin's GTK prompting that I could use? |
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| 18:24.39 | nicknicknick | rob_lt the modules are loaded but what I'm looking for is do I need to edit the apache2.conf? how can I test mod_cache, mod_mem_cache and mod_disk_cache if they are working or not |
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| 18:25.31 | rob_lt | nicknicknick, I have no idea |
| 18:25.45 | mrgenixus | 'lo? has annyone ever had this problem |
| 18:26.15 | hanse | +------ |
| 18:26.17 | pablum | Atula, httpd is the generic term for a http daemon (server). Apache is an implementation of it. |
| 18:26.20 | hanse | v? |
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| 18:26.31 | hanse | f |
| 18:26.39 | abrotman | nicknicknick: you could ask #apache how to know |
| 18:26.47 | abrotman | hanse: are you broken ?> |
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| 18:27.24 | nicknicknick | abrotman I asked allready no one really replied |
| 18:27.25 | hanse | mi keyborad fall |
| 18:27.27 | hanse | lol |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 18:27.31 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:27.38 | pablum | !tell hanse about #debian-es |
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| 18:27.50 | behrouz | anyone knows where i could upload a 780 meg file |
| 18:28.25 | greycat | what the fuck. |
| 18:28.40 | rob_lt | behrouz, you send it |
| 18:28.41 | abrotman | behrouz: gmail! .. cause email IS a file system of course |
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| 18:29.41 | MrBallZ | I have a problem, I've been using kernel 2.6.8 for some weeks, and today that i turned the pc on, it didn't go to KDM , and it says that im missing agpgart, but if i boot to kernel 2.4.27 it does go to kdm ,and well im on it right now ... weird thing is computer was fine yesterday ... what can i do ... ???? |
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| 18:30.51 | behrouz | abrotman: i think max attachment size for gmail is 10megs |
| 18:30.51 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:30.51 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 18:31.00 | abrotman | behrouz: i was joking .. you use an ftp server of course |
| 18:31.01 | asg | abrotman: wait for it, wait for it |
| 18:31.17 | abrotman | asg: i get to go to the ironheritagefestival.org this weekend! |
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| 18:31.40 | greycat | MrBallZ: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 18:31.41 | asg | abrotman: neat |
| 18:31.54 | abrotman | asg: we'll see .. usually the best part is the camping with a keg :) |
| 18:32.05 | abrotman | weather may not cooperate |
| 18:32.11 | lestest | hi there is there any problems with xbase-client package |
| 18:32.13 | lestest | ? |
| 18:32.14 | asg | abrotman: yeah, smithing just doesn't seem like you. |
| 18:32.21 | lestest | in unstable I mean |
| 18:32.23 | abrotman | asg: it's more than that |
| 18:32.24 | rob_lt | behrouz, did you google for "you send it"? |
| 18:32.26 | greycat | speaking of which, I still have to diagnose this "not all my file systems are mounting at boot" issue. |
| 18:32.27 | abrotman | lestest: bts! |
| 18:32.28 | asg | lestest: probably since x.org is now in unstable |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | Fri Jul 15 11:25:54 2005: Mounting local filesystems... |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | Fri Jul 15 11:25:54 2005: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 18:32.37 | asg | abrotman: I know :) |
| 18:32.40 | abrotman | greycat: i bet that's bad |
| 18:32.54 | abrotman | asg: they have FOLK DANCING TOO!!!11!!1 |
| 18:32.59 | lestest | abrotman: bts means? |
| 18:33.05 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:33.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:33.06 | asg | !btssmite lestest |
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| 18:33.11 | greycat | Fri Jul 15 11:26:27 2005: aic7xxx: loaded successfully |
| 18:33.16 | greycat | note that this is AFTER the mounting. |
| 18:33.19 | greycat | no wonder. |
| 18:33.32 | Josema | hola |
| 18:33.36 | abrotman | greycat: wrong order |
| 18:33.38 | lestest | abrotman: ist's kinda difficult to browse the web with links ... I prefer asking here |
| 18:33.45 | greycat | that oughtta fix it. |
| 18:33.46 | abrotman | lestest: poor excuse |
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| 18:33.48 | asg | lestest: wrong |
| 18:33.56 | lestest | asg: what's wrong? |
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| 18:34.02 | Treatz | Can I use a server to run lotus domino? |
| 18:34.09 | abrotman | lestest: links http://bugs.debian.org/xbase-client |
| 18:34.11 | abrotman | yay |
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| 18:34.21 | greycat | Treatz: it would be hard to run it without one. |
| 18:34.37 | Treatz | I know |
| 18:34.47 | Treatz | Do you have a server I can use? |
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| 18:34.51 | abrotman | oh .. i do |
| 18:34.53 | greycat | you're fucking kidding. |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | let me get you that root password |
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| 18:35.30 | zinx | Treatz: do you have $100/mo? |
| 18:35.37 | Treatz | y |
| 18:35.45 | pureone | :| |
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| 18:36.11 | abrotman | Treatz: this doesn't pertain to Debian .. why are you asking here |
| 18:36.40 | Treatz | You want me to leavE? |
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| 18:37.16 | Atula | I have an extra SATA hard drive.... now I'm making it ext3... will that be okay with NTFS? and where should I mount it? I just want it to be a stand alone Hard drive.... so I can do backup to.... |
| 18:37.28 | Atula | so 2 hard drives |
| 18:37.33 | Atula | ... |
| 18:37.33 | lestest | abrotman: the link you typed says no bugs |
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| 18:37.58 | Outlaw84 | Does anyone know off a linux dc client that supports: 1. private hubs, username/password 2. Can search directories |
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| 18:38.10 | lestest | abrotman: the link you typed says no mantainer sorry |
| 18:38.10 | Outlaw84 | nr 2 seams to be inposible for most |
| 18:38.17 | lestest | abrotman: so what? |
| 18:38.34 | Atula | ? |
| 18:38.40 | lestest | should I install xorg package? |
| 18:38.53 | Atula | !partition |
| 18:38.53 | dpkg | methinks partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition |
| 18:38.56 | cfa63 | hey.....admit it....microsoft is the best..... :D |
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| 18:39.02 | Atula | !partitions |
| 18:39.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, partitions is Only use multiple partitions unless you have a good reason to do so and understand the ramifications! The Sarge installer recommends only a swap partition and a root (/) partition, this is perfectly fine for just about everybody. |
| 18:39.07 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.18 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.26 | Atula | I have an extra SATA hard drive.... now I'm making it ext3... will that be okay with NTFS? and where should I mount it? I just want it to be a stand alone Hard drive.... so I can do backup to.... |
| 18:39.33 | Atula | sorry about the repeat |
| 18:39.37 | Atula | I'm in the middle of installing |
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| 18:40.23 | stew | Atula: what do ext3 and ntfs have to do with eachother? |
| 18:40.30 | Atula | I don't know |
| 18:40.49 | Atula | where do I mount that extra hard drive? |
| 18:41.03 | stew | anywhere you want |
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| 18:41.13 | pablum | Atula, how 'bout /home/arch ? |
| 18:41.25 | Atula | that works? |
| 18:41.29 | Atula | it's a different drive |
| 18:41.38 | Atula | I don't think I understand |
| 18:41.44 | pablum | you can mount a drive anywhere in the dir tree |
| 18:41.46 | Atula | and I sound like a f cking idiot now |
| 18:41.56 | pablum | this is not DOS |
| 18:42.04 | Atula | pablum: but it still stands by itself, correct? |
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| 18:42.16 | Atula | if the server die... that drive still stands and save files? |
| 18:42.20 | pablum | put it on its edge... and sure. |
| 18:42.25 | pablum | no |
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| 18:42.38 | lestest | and how do I install packages on the top of xfree? |
| 18:42.40 | Atula | if the OS die.... that drive would stil be okay? |
| 18:42.53 | lestest | gdm requires xbase-client |
| 18:42.54 | pablum | nfs still needs the server to do all the hd->fs->nfs translations |
| 18:43.03 | greycat | lestest: welcome to sid. |
| 18:43.23 | pablum | Atula, probably, with the exception of any files being written to at the time of the crash... |
| 18:43.30 | pablum | ymmv |
| 18:43.30 | Atula | okay |
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| 18:43.37 | Atula | but I can mount it anywhere? |
| 18:43.48 | pablum | any empty directory |
| 18:43.53 | Atula | okay |
| 18:43.54 | Atula | thanks |
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| 18:45.37 | shark_ | hey :) |
| 18:45.50 | guevolt | can i put this on my bootmisc.sh: su user && mount -t smb ....(blah,blah).. ? |
| 18:45.56 | MrBallZ | greycat , hi , so you say that i should log the booting ? , or what do i need specifically to look for, because the error is that it cant load AGPGART for i810 .... |
| 18:46.05 | greycat | you can *put* anything you like in bootmisc.sh |
| 18:46.11 | greycat | the question is what it will do. |
| 18:46.24 | greycat | and I think that that command does not do what you think it does. |
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| 18:46.33 | Atula | pablum: I can change that mount point later in fstab? |
| 18:46.37 | asg | hehe, #318331 (no wonder lynx doesn't work) |
| 18:46.40 | Atula | that second drive? |
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| 18:46.53 | pablum | Atula, sure... |
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| 18:47.26 | Atula | pablum: is that a SURE! or are you just shaking your head at me kind of "sure..."? |
| 18:47.40 | Atula | haha... I am so worried everytime I'm installing.... |
| 18:47.42 | pablum | there is no subtext... |
| 18:47.54 | Atula | :) |
| 18:48.03 | Atula | so it's okay!? |
| 18:48.05 | greycat | asg: haha |
| 18:48.05 | guevolt | can i put this on my bootmisc.sh: su user && mount -t smb ....(blah,blah).. ? |
| 18:48.08 | Atula | give me a yes |
| 18:48.11 | greycat | 14:46 greycat> you can *put* anything you like in bootmisc.sh |
| 18:48.13 | greycat | 14:46 greycat> the question is what it will do. |
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| 18:48.21 | pablum | it |
| 18:48.34 | joey_ | has anyone configured madwifi with wpasupplicant / |
| 18:48.40 | greycat | if you wanted to RUN THE MOUNT COMMAND AS USER FRED, then you want: su fred -c 'mount -t smb ....' |
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| 18:48.49 | guevolt | greycat: ops.. i don't see your asnwer. sorry.. hehe |
| 18:48.53 | greycat | but of course we can't expect you to communicate effectively with us, can we? |
| 18:49.06 | greycat | I mean, wow, stating your desire in english must be SO hard. |
| 18:49.08 | pablum | it's ok, Atula you can edit /etc/fstab to change the mount point. it's more complicated because you're also telling nfs to look there for files to serve... and stuff. |
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| 18:49.16 | guevolt | greycat: hehehe |
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| 18:49.31 | guevolt | greycat: sorry for my bad english |
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| 18:49.57 | mykhi | anyone know when we can except repair unstable packets? it bugged for like 2 days |
| 18:49.59 | Ronin | need more room for porn do you Treatz ? |
| 18:50.07 | Treatz | lol |
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| 18:50.16 | asg | Treatz: create a great software package, like Drupal. |
| 18:50.30 | Treatz | Mmm... good idea. |
| 18:50.32 | RichiH | asg: "Sorry about that -- it worked locally :-/" haha |
| 18:50.35 | joey_ | grrr |
| 18:50.45 | asg | RichiH: I know, those are my favorite bugs |
| 18:50.50 | RichiH | asg: heh, yah |
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| 18:51.19 | abrotman | mykhi: you realize .. it's called unstabler ? |
| 18:51.21 | abrotman | err |
| 18:51.21 | abrotman | fuck |
| 18:51.39 | asg | abrotman: been at the pub a bit I see |
| 18:51.45 | Treatz | I'm looking for a new home. |
| 18:51.51 | abrotman | i think they should break sid more often .. keep the kids off the crack |
| 18:51.59 | Atula | in the typical usage option, what should I use for an 80 gigs SATA hard drive which will be my server backup drive? |
| 18:52.00 | mykhi | i know, but i use unstable all life :D |
| 18:52.10 | Treatz | I have been using www.fudo.org s computers now for about 3 years.. but they are losers. |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | mykhi: well .. guess what .. it's completely broken right now |
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| 18:52.16 | Atula | largefile4? |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman | mykhi: let's see how well you work when we put xorg and gcc4 in you at the same time |
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| 18:52.34 | mykhi | abrotman: i know, and wondering when something will happen |
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| 18:52.53 | lest | I can't use gdm with xorg in unstable? |
| 18:52.58 | greycat | awwwww. |
| 18:52.59 | Atula | abrotman: in the typical usage option, what should I use for an 80 gigs SATA hard drive which will be my server backup drive? |
| 18:53.01 | abrotman | mykhi: when it's ready to happen .. afaik . no timetable |
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| 18:53.17 | abrotman | Atula: an 80 GB SATA drive sounds reasonable |
| 18:53.18 | Atula | abrotman: largefile4? |
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| 18:53.38 | abrotman | wtf is largefile4? |
| 18:53.43 | abrotman | rsync no good ? |
| 18:53.48 | Atula | file usage? |
| 18:53.48 | abrotman | tar? dd? cpio ? |
| 18:53.53 | asg | abrotman: a setting for inode tuning in the installer |
| 18:53.59 | Atula | yeah |
| 18:53.59 | abrotman | asg: oh .. |
| 18:54.01 | Atula | that's it |
| 18:54.01 | yuacht | are there any WYSIWYG html app for linux? like dreamweaver |
| 18:54.01 | Treatz | I need space to run Lotus Debian |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | ffs .. use mkfs :) |
| 18:54.17 | Atula | asg: what do I do? |
| 18:54.21 | Treatz | Domino/Notes |
| 18:54.28 | abrotman | Treatz: LOTUS ISN"T IN DEBIAN |
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| 18:54.38 | Treatz | It runs on Debian |
| 18:54.39 | Atula | abrotman: I should wait and use mkfs later? |
| 18:54.42 | asg | Atula: it really doesn't matter. Use largefile4 if you wish and the filesystem will have a smallish number of large files. |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | Atula: i have no idea what you're really trying to do .. or why you singled me out |
| 18:54.54 | greycat | Treatz: we aren't shell providers. |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | lots of things run on debian .. |
| 18:55.18 | Atula | asg: should I wait and use mkfs on a second drive? or should I mount it now in the installing process? |
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| 18:55.22 | greycat | if nobody here can recommend a commercial shell provider for you, try another channel |
| 18:55.25 | MB | <shark> hey |
| 18:55.32 | shark_ | hey |
| 18:55.34 | asg | Atula: it doesn't matter. |
| 18:55.40 | MB | <_oye> yes! (; working |
| 18:55.43 | Atula | abrotman: sorry for singling you out.... I'm in the middle of installing so got kind of nervous... thanks for the help thogh |
| 18:55.43 | MB | <shark> =) |
| 18:55.44 | lest | is gdm not usable anynore? |
| 18:55.45 | Atula | asg: thanks |
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| 18:55.54 | lest | it depends on xbase-client |
| 18:55.56 | asg | lest: not in unstable at the moment. |
| 18:55.57 | abrotman | Atula: i'd do it after the install if you can wait .. |
| 18:55.58 | Treatz | greycat someone here might provide me with a account. |
| 18:56.00 | greycat | lest: what the the BTS say? |
| 18:56.03 | asg | lest: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:56.14 | joey_ | dumbass |
| 18:56.14 | greycat | Treatz: someone here might send me a million euros |
| 18:56.20 | Treatz | There are 700 people here, someone has to has a server. |
| 18:56.21 | greycat | but I wouldn't hold my breath |
| 18:56.29 | abrotman | greycat: /topic SID IS TOTALLY FUCKED ? |
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| 18:56.49 | greycat | abrotman: but it's not. and we already have TWO items in the /topic abuot breakage in sid. |
| 18:56.53 | abrotman | greycat: i know it's not .. |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | greycat: but apparently for the average person it is |
| 18:57.08 | greycat | although "today" is obviously dated. |
| 18:57.12 | abrotman | wait .. average people don't read topics |
| 18:57.15 | greycat | abrotman: fuck the average person. |
| 18:57.20 | greycat | debian is for SUPERMEN. |
| 18:57.22 | abrotman | greycat: how about a supermodel ? |
| 18:57.25 | asg | hehe |
| 18:57.26 | greycat | and them. |
| 18:57.36 | thana | hi |
| 18:57.44 | bucky | why do we have so many "average" people using Sid ? |
| 18:57.58 | greycat | or at least, sid is for supermen. all you cluebie mortals running sid, you got what you deserved. We told ya so. |
| 18:58.03 | lest | bucky, because stable is old |
| 18:58.09 | mathieu | bucky, they are the only ones you hear |
| 18:58.12 | greycat | lest: RUN TESTING YOU HALF-WIT! |
| 18:58.13 | Ronin | lest: stable is hardly old |
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| 18:58.29 | greycat | WE HAVE BEEN *TELLING* everyone for *YEARS* that sid WILL BREAK! |
| 18:58.38 | greycat | and now when it does, you act all angry and scared! |
| 18:58.38 | lest | greycat, I never had problems with sid |
| 18:58.40 | greycat | tough shit! |
| 18:58.44 | bucky | greycat, he couldn't handle testing |
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| 18:58.49 | abrotman | god .. |
| 18:59.00 | greycat | !break |
| 18:59.00 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
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| 18:59.05 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 18:59.05 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:59.33 | behrouz | does sarge already have a ftp server |
| 18:59.37 | bucky | lest Sid has always been in some various form of being broken.. it was just a little less broken for the last year that sarge was being released |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | !sidiot |
| 18:59.38 | dpkg | sidiot is probably anyone who runs sid without knowing how to deal with problems. Sidiots often have no idea what the BTS is, how to operate strace, gdb, or what fakeroot and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" fakeroot debian/rules binary; are useful for. |
| 18:59.39 | thana | i wonder if the lsit debian-user-german my be down, becaus i havn't recieved any mail for hours? |
| 18:59.40 | Ronin | behrouz: several |
| 18:59.40 | lest | sorry ... I'm not here to say you broke my compute, I'm just asking how to make it run ! |
| 18:59.46 | idnar | of course, testing also breaks |
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| 18:59.55 | abrotman | lest: did you find anything int he BTS? |
| 19:00.12 | behrouz | Ronin: should i apt-get install it or is it already included |
| 19:00.13 | lest | says that the package has no maintainer |
| 19:00.21 | lest | xbase-client |
| 19:00.24 | lest | I mean |
| 19:00.27 | greycat | that's not even the right name. |
| 19:00.30 | Frozen-Solid | okay so my debian has no developement setup in it at all -- what packages do i need? |
| 19:00.33 | Ronin | behrouz: wont be installed unless you told it to, or it was a dep for some reason, |
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| 19:00.49 | Frozen-Solid | i got gcc, automake, and gawk... yet i'm still getting errors on this ./configure that i'm missing something |
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| 19:00.56 | Frozen-Solid | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables <- the main one being |
| 19:01.04 | greycat | wow, the package description on xbase-clients in sarge is really verbose. |
| 19:01.07 | abrotman | lest: there is no package xbase-client |
| 19:01.08 | greycat | !b-e Frozen-Solid |
| 19:01.09 | dpkg | Frozen-Solid: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:01.10 | ducky | how can I change it so apt is using http instead of ftp? |
| 19:01.16 | greycat | ducky: apt-setup |
| 19:01.21 | abrotman | lest: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xbase-clients |
| 19:01.23 | greycat | !faq Frozen-Solid |
| 19:01.23 | Frozen-Solid | oh i see. |
| 19:01.24 | dpkg | Frozen-Solid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:01.26 | abrotman | lest: read it and .. well .. weep |
| 19:01.32 | abrotman | that's a long long page :) |
| 19:01.48 | Frozen-Solid | this stupid distro of debian that i'm running is so bare bones it's hilarious |
| 19:01.49 | greycat | ii xbase-clients 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 miscellaneous X clients |
| 19:01.49 | greycat | ii xserver-xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 the X.Org X server |
| 19:01.56 | greycat | I don't know what y'all's problem is. |
| 19:01.58 | abrotman | !b-e Frozen-Solid |
| 19:01.59 | greycat | Works For Me(tm). |
| 19:01.59 | dpkg | Frozen-Solid: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:02.10 | behrouz | Ronin: what's the package name for a good ftp server |
| 19:02.20 | lest | so the wrong name was pasted |
| 19:02.22 | greycat | behrouz: the only good ftp server is a dead ftp server |
| 19:02.39 | Ronin | behrouz: vsftpd, pureftpd, proftpd, but security and ftp dont go well in the same sentence |
| 19:02.40 | greycat | !faqsmite Frozen-Solid |
| 19:02.41 | dpkg | Frozen-Solid: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:03.12 | bucky | Frozen-Solid, apt-get tasksel and run it to install the development env |
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| 19:03.37 | lest | is there a metapackage for xorg? |
| 19:03.58 | bucky | lest yes but it's old |
| 19:04.02 | greycat | we don't even have fully functional NORMAL packages yet, and you want a HAND-HOLDING?! |
| 19:04.09 | pablum | Bad Frozen-Solid |
| 19:04.14 | Frozen-Solid | o_0 |
| 19:04.21 | greycat | "If it was hard to package, it should be hard to install!" ;-) |
| 19:04.40 | lest | xserver-xorg didn't come with libglu1-xorg needed by xbase-clients |
| 19:04.47 | greycat | awwwww. |
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| 19:05.30 | thana | can somebody tell my where i can find infos about the status of debian-user-german? |
| 19:05.40 | lest | I have another problem ... Xorg doesn't run |
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| 19:05.59 | greycat | then why don't you just go back to what you had? |
| 19:06.13 | mihaly | what package do I need to get "gtk+ >= 2.4" ? |
| 19:06.25 | lest | greycat, I'll do |
| 19:06.33 | lest | I'll later swhitch |
| 19:06.34 | abrotman | thana: say what ? |
| 19:06.39 | abrotman | thana: you mean the mailing list ? |
| 19:06.40 | Justin | mihaly: why are you trying to compile something? |
| 19:06.46 | thana | yes :) |
| 19:06.47 | mihaly | yes |
| 19:06.51 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:06.51 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 19:06.52 | lest | it's a pity |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | thana: ^^ ... i guess |
| 19:06.59 | greycat | mihaly: apt-cache search -- lib gtk -dev |
| 19:07.08 | thana | but rieght now i recieved to mails of the list i think the problem is solved ;) |
| 19:07.10 | thana | *right |
| 19:07.18 | thana | **two mails :-D |
| 19:07.18 | nicknicknick | hi how are the php4 and php5 info file sources the same? like: <? phpinfo(); ?> ? |
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| 19:07.29 | lest | how do I change preferred Xserver |
| 19:07.30 | lest | ? |
| 19:07.34 | nicknicknick | -how |
| 19:07.36 | pablum | Toll |
| 19:07.37 | greycat | ls -ld /etc/X11/X |
| 19:08.00 | greycat | but xserver-xorg *conflicts with* xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:08.04 | greycat | you can't "switch" like that. |
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| 19:08.12 | mihaly | greycat: I get like over 100 packages with that |
| 19:08.25 | greycat | mihaly: grep it a bit. |
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| 19:08.30 | mihaly | I have tryed 3 of them allready, none where correct |
| 19:08.36 | greycat | or throw in --names-only |
| 19:08.40 | thana | but where i could find infos about the "status" of list in future? |
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| 19:08.42 | abrotman | tried |
| 19:08.49 | SEBest | robotic hand running debian: http://www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml |
| 19:08.50 | greycat | you "tried" them? how about "reading the descriptions"? |
| 19:08.58 | greycat | libgtk2.0-dev - Development files for the GTK+ library |
| 19:09.03 | lest | greycat can have xbase on xorg libs running over xfee? |
| 19:09.03 | greycat | how about THAT FUCKER RIGHT THERE? |
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| 19:09.20 | greycat | lest: probably. |
| 19:09.25 | mihaly | the application needed 2.4 |
| 19:09.26 | greycat | lest: let us know how it works out for you. |
| 19:09.28 | greycat | mihaly: and? |
| 19:09.39 | greycat | which version of GTK+ is *yours*? |
| 19:09.40 | ryoohki | if I fail to "finalise disc" when burning a cd, how do I do it later? |
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| 19:09.49 | greycat | the one in sarge is 2.6.4-3 |
| 19:10.02 | greycat | was that too new? |
| 19:10.10 | Justin | mihaly: why are you trying to compile something? |
| 19:10.45 | valdyn | mihaly: 2.6 is supposed to be backwards compatible to 2.4 |
| 19:10.58 | btech | does any one know how to change the kmenu icon to another? |
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| 19:11.01 | mihaly | I'll try libgtk2.0-dev then |
| 19:11.05 | mihaly | its downloading now |
| 19:11.09 | greycat | of course, he probably didn't bother checking the version numbers and just naively *ASSUMED* that libgtk2.0 couldn't possibly be version 2.6 |
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| 19:11.17 | greycat | !try |
| 19:11.17 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 19:11.26 | vincent | hrm anyone have experience with lcdproc ? |
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| 19:11.43 | behrouz | i just installed vsftpd, any idea on how to run this ftp server |
| 19:11.47 | mihaly | why is it called 2.0 if its 2.6 ? |
| 19:11.50 | greycat | man page? /usr/share/doc? |
| 19:11.51 | Ronin | behrouz: ya man vsftp |
| 19:12.00 | greycat | mihaly: because it's the same ABI |
| 19:12.03 | lest | how do I switch runlevel at boot time? runlevel=X? |
| 19:12.07 | greycat | lest: man inittab |
| 19:12.07 | btech | hello? |
| 19:12.12 | greycat | lest: why do you ask? |
| 19:12.16 | valdyn | mihaly: the package maintainer blindly assumed that the abi would change above 2.0, he was wrong. |
| 19:12.17 | btech | i wait in line |
| 19:12.19 | lest | greycat I cannot get into the machine :) |
| 19:12.21 | greycat | you don't actually think that will cause *dm to run or not run, do you? |
| 19:12.22 | southnort | how can I configure SMPT server here? |
| 19:12.39 | greycat | !FAQ southnort |
| 19:12.41 | dpkg | southnort: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:12.53 | lest | greycat is it so bad? |
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| 19:13.08 | btech | what server are u using? |
| 19:13.13 | greycat | lest: you're a former red hat user, aren't you? |
| 19:13.19 | greycat | or possibly fedora/slackware/suse |
| 19:13.21 | lest | greycat, my fault :)+ |
| 19:13.44 | greycat | lest: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:13.49 | lest | I just run debian on the computer I own |
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| 19:14.43 | lest | greycat, hence I just need init=/bin/bash |
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| 19:16.06 | Atula | in Fedora, there's a screen that let you choose what desktop session you want to run (Gnome/fluxbox)... I've always used fluxbox on debian before.... but the people at work wants gnome... how do I make it an option at start up to give user the ability to choose the session desktop he wants? |
| 19:16.20 | greycat | lest: single-user mode may suffice too. but either way's ok. |
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| 19:16.28 | valdyn | Atula: gdm gives those options |
| 19:16.31 | Ronin | im envious in that you get to use linux at work Atula |
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| 19:16.45 | lest | greycat how do I ask for single user mode? |
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| 19:17.07 | gremlin | Hi, I hope someone can help. I'm trying to install sarge mini debian and when installing i get the message Base installation error: debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1) |
| 19:17.12 | lest | just appending single? |
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| 19:17.23 | rob_lt | btech, I think the menu icon is called kmenu.png. You could search for it in /usr/share/icons, and it also might be in your ~/.kde/share/icons/ |
| 19:17.46 | greycat | lest: yes |
| 19:18.02 | btech_ | i found them but they have diff sizes..how do i know what size i need to change\ |
| 19:18.06 | crystalremo | is there a way to get a 'real-world' maximum throughput of your ethernet card/entire system setup? i have a windows laptop ftp'ing files to a linux machine on a 100mbps hub and im only getting 155KB/s and im trying to figure out where the bottle neck is... |
| 19:18.15 | greycat | crystalremo: bit torrent. |
| 19:18.20 | mihaly | I got all libs right now but it still didn't compile... thanks anyway.. |
| 19:18.24 | btech_ | 22x22 to 128x128 |
| 19:18.34 | greycat | oh, you meant "real world on my isolated LAN"? |
| 19:19.08 | resiak | crystalremo: netcat and /dev/random ? |
| 19:19.09 | btech_ | ive changed a bunch of them but it stays the same |
| 19:19.10 | crystalremo | greycat: well its two computers connected to the internet through a router... |
| 19:19.23 | crystalremo | resiak: could you be more specific? |
| 19:19.24 | valdyn | mihaly: i guess the ./configure failed and told you exactly whats missing? |
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| 19:19.36 | mihaly | I was using scons |
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| 19:19.44 | greycat | resiak: you don't want /dev/random for this. |
| 19:19.48 | resiak | greycat: Point |
| 19:19.51 | greycat | it'll block when you exhaust the entropy |
| 19:19.51 | vincent | hrm so i've got a serial based lcd connected to this machine, how do i determine what /dev/ttysX it's connected to ? |
| 19:20.01 | resiak | greycat: yes(1), perhaps? |
| 19:20.01 | crystalremo | greycat: well i did in fact have bittorrent running on the windows machine, but once i closed it, there was no change |
| 19:20.13 | greycat | resiak: possibly. |
| 19:20.21 | mihaly | valdyn: but now I get lots of error in serveral classes |
| 19:20.32 | greycat | crystalremo: no, I meant using bit torrent to measure your internet connection speed, which is what most people need to measure. |
| 19:20.32 | mne | hi there ! does anyone know a good disassembler for linux ? |
| 19:20.42 | valdyn | mihaly: on debian sid? |
| 19:20.43 | resiak | crystalremo: Sorry, greycat points out my mistake. Try piping yes to netcat. |
| 19:20.56 | Justin | yes and netcat? wtf |
| 19:20.58 | valdyn | mihaly: with c++ software ( you're saying classes? ) |
| 19:21.02 | Justin | iperf - Internet Protocol bandwidth measuring tool |
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| 19:21.25 | elkid | somebody know why i m getting no tty*s only the X`s one and tty1 the others are missing after i updated my kernel |
| 19:21.27 | Justin | udpcast - multicast file transfer tool is also good at bringing down networks :-) |
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| 19:21.36 | reamtS | is debian able to use RAID 5? |
| 19:21.37 | mihaly | http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/document.php?id=1 this is what I am trying to compile |
| 19:21.43 | greycat | elkid: because you built a custom kernel and now it doesn't work and you think we'll fix it for you? |
| 19:21.51 | lest | greycat, falling backe to xfree |
| 19:22.05 | valdyn | reamtS: hardware raid doesnt demand anything special from debian. |
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| 19:22.25 | greycat | now, you *know* he doesn't mean hardware RAID. They never do. |
| 19:22.26 | rob_lt | btech, I think it depends on what size you have chosen the icons in the panel to be. Figure out what size the icons are on your panel, copy a new kmenu.png into the appropriate theme/size, and then re-select that theme so the new icon in discovered. I've not tried this, but it's all I can think of. |
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| 19:22.41 | valdyn | greycat: sure I do. |
| 19:22.48 | spamalope | such thing as a .bkf extractor for linux? |
| 19:22.54 | spamalope | as in windows backup files |
| 19:23.09 | Justin | greycat: apt-get install pv ; yes | pv > /dev/null |
| 19:23.15 | greycat | I should've knows MS would develop their own closed format backup files. |
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| 19:23.54 | spamalope | just as closed as doc or xls but i can deal with those in linux |
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| 19:24.07 | valdyn | mihaly: if you're using debian sid and this stuff you're trying to compile is c++, just give up. |
| 19:24.08 | pablum | sort of |
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| 19:24.42 | lest | greycat, where do I change default xserver? |
| 19:24.42 | vincent | when one hooks up a serial device in debian, what does it default to, /dev/ttys0 (S0) ? |
| 19:24.45 | greycat | someone's gotta want *one* of these things.... |
| 19:24.54 | pablum | spamalope, in a broken kindofa proprietary sortofa way |
| 19:24.57 | greycat | 15:07 greycat> ls -ld /etc/X11/X |
| 19:24.58 | resiak | spamalope: More people want to use those. Why don't you reverse-engineer it? |
| 19:24.58 | gremlin | Hi, I hope someone can help. I'm trying to install sarge mini debian and when installing i get the message Base installation error: debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1) |
| 19:25.16 | spamalope | resiak: cause i have no skills |
| 19:25.25 | mihaly | valdyn: I installed my installation with sarge net instal disc |
| 19:25.27 | Justin | spamalope: um, what does file say the bkf files are? |
| 19:25.42 | lest | greycat, pointing to XFree |
| 19:25.48 | spamalope | dunno i dont have one on this box |
| 19:25.53 | mihaly | valdyn: and I never specifyed it do use unstable stuff |
| 19:25.54 | valdyn | mihaly: that's not relevant to what youre using now.. is it sid? is it sarge? |
| 19:25.57 | lest | but X says command not found |
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| 19:26.05 | spamalope | Justin: you tell me |
| 19:26.07 | greycat | lest: no, the correct response is "Oh! It's just a symlink. Thanks greycat." |
| 19:26.10 | valdyn | mihaly: alright then, you need to look at the error. |
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| 19:26.18 | Justin | spamalope: I'm not the one who mentioned .bkf files |
| 19:26.27 | crystalremo | resiak: ie "yes | netcat" |
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| 19:26.36 | spamalope | Spec: well you're acting like you know something |
| 19:26.42 | rob_lt | spamalope, maybe you could run http://www.fpns.net/willy/msbackup.htm with wine? |
| 19:26.43 | mihaly | valdyn: just check is says unstable/testing at the login :/ |
| 19:26.43 | dort | anyone have a suggestion for software to split a filesytem (or tarball) into 4.4G chunks (in order to archive on DVD)? |
| 19:26.45 | Justin | yes | netcat is a stupid thing to do |
| 19:26.51 | TheAsp | yeah |
| 19:26.56 | spamalope | Justin: if you don't have an answer, please don't say anything. |
| 19:26.57 | Spec | spamalope: i do know something |
| 19:26.59 | valdyn | mihaly: apt-get install valknut ? |
| 19:27.03 | TheAsp | ping -f -s 8192 is waaaaaaaaaay more fun |
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| 19:27.11 | mihaly | valdyn: I am running that... |
| 19:27.12 | Justin | spamalope: I did have an answer, fucking scroll up and read it |
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| 19:27.27 | mihaly | valdyn: but serveral vital stuff doesn't work |
| 19:27.33 | spamalope | i said i dont have a bfk file on a linux macnine |
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| 19:27.48 | mihaly | valdyn: It's the best working so far thu |
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| 19:27.54 | valdyn | mihaly: i see, i cant help you with compiling stuff, its a little to tricky for sid atm. |
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| 19:28.02 | greycat | 15:22 spamalope> such thing as a .bkf extractor for linux? |
| 19:28.07 | Justin | spamalope: if you dont have a .bkf file, then why do you even care if you can read them in linux? |
| 19:28.10 | resiak | crystalremo: Roughly. |
| 19:28.13 | greycat | now you're saying you DIDN'T ask about bks on linux? |
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| 19:28.16 | greycat | bkf* |
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| 19:28.27 | mihaly | valdyn: I have been looking all day for a decent dc client :/ |
| 19:28.49 | juan_ | what happend to the bold fonts in xterm, the look ugly now with the Xorg upgrade |
| 19:28.52 | spamalope | Justin: you gave no answer and you're not going to give one. so stfu. kkthx |
| 19:28.53 | crystalremo | resiak: doesn't work... i get back "Cmd line: y: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host" |
| 19:28.53 | Spec | spamalope: Why: Spec: well you're acting like you know something?? |
| 19:28.55 | lest | greycat, it works |
| 19:29.04 | behrouz | what's the command to remove a package? |
| 19:29.09 | Spec | behrouz: man dpkg |
| 19:29.17 | resiak | crystalremo: man nc |
| 19:29.18 | crystalremo | apt-get remove pkgname |
| 19:29.18 | lest | greycat, I mean gdm over xorg libs with X |
| 19:29.28 | spamalope | Spec: want meant for you. tab got the better of me |
| 19:29.29 | resiak | crystalremo: I can never remember how to use nc |
| 19:29.30 | mihaly | valdyn: even tried wine/dc++ but it chrashed when I tried to download with it |
| 19:29.52 | greycat | lest: good. |
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| 19:30.05 | lestest | hi there back on my machine |
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| 19:30.13 | EfaistOs | hi |
| 19:30.24 | EfaistOs | is there a amd64 netinstall somewhere ? |
| 19:30.29 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 19:30.29 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 19:30.33 | rob_lt | mihaly, dcgui? |
| 19:30.42 | pablum | dpkg TAB is intrinsic defensive insecurity |
| 19:30.42 | dpkg | ...but tab is already something else... |
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| 19:30.59 | mihaly | rob_lt: could enter user/pass for my private hub :/ |
| 19:31.02 | binarydigit_ | spamalope: google is your friend |
| 19:31.18 | mihaly | rob_lt: and the gui was really measy |
| 19:31.28 | Justin | crystalremo: which part of "yes | netcat is a stupid thing to do" didn't you understand? |
| 19:31.29 | rob_lt | mihaly, ok, I've never used it myself |
| 19:31.51 | gremlin | Hi, I hope someone can help. I'm trying to install sarge mini debian and when installing i get the message Base installation error: debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1) |
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| 19:32.14 | rabies | hi |
| 19:32.17 | Spec | How do I strip out whitespace? |
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| 19:32.21 | crystalremo | Justin: the part about you could try and contribute to the solution as opposed to telling people that don't know as much as you that they are idiots |
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| 19:32.31 | greycat | Spec: with tr, sed, ${foo// /}, etc. |
| 19:32.34 | rabies | im trying to shrink a modeline so that 1920x540 is something like 1900x520 or something |
| 19:32.40 | Spec | greycat: thanks, *forgot* tr |
| 19:32.40 | rabies | its just slighty too big |
| 19:32.44 | Justin | 15:21 < Justin> iperf - Internet Protocol bandwidth measuring tool |
| 19:32.44 | Justin | 15:21 < Justin> udpcast - multicast file transfer tool is also good at bringing down networks :-) |
| 19:32.47 | rabies | any ideas? |
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| 19:32.51 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 19:32.51 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little vegemite, and a handful of starving hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:32.53 | Spec | greycat: I was thinking strip and cut...both don't do that though |
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| 19:32.55 | valdyn | !modeline |
| 19:32.55 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.inria.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines, or http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 19:33.06 | rabies | valdyvaldynany useful ideas? |
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| 19:33.10 | behrouz | is there a visual ftp server for the debian linux |
| 19:33.13 | rabies | greycat: any useful ideas? |
| 19:33.21 | valdyn | rabies: read what dpkg said |
| 19:33.26 | pablum | perl -pe 's/\s+/ /g' <filename> removes extra spaces... |
| 19:33.32 | crystalremo | Justin: point... im sorry and didn't see that part |
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| 19:33.43 | rabies | valyn: that isnt useful |
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| 19:33.53 | greycat | pablum: shouldn't that be -pi -e? |
| 19:34.07 | pablum | for an in place edit, yeah |
| 19:34.08 | valdyn | rabies: why isnt it? |
| 19:34.11 | Gnea | rabies: get with the program and listen to dpkg |
| 19:34.19 | pablum | maybe better: -pi.bak -e |
| 19:34.20 | Spec | ls *.iso|wc -l is giving me whitespace in front of the number, i'm just trying to get the number ^.^ |
| 19:34.31 | greycat | Spec: so? just don't quote it on use. |
| 19:34.38 | Spec | ? |
| 19:34.45 | greycat | foo=$(ls *.iso | wc -l); if (( $foo > 9 )); then ... |
| 19:35.03 | Spec | i'm just renaming iso's |
| 19:35.10 | Spec | 1_of_# |
| 19:35.18 | greycat | ugh. |
| 19:35.24 | rabies | Gnea: try giving some useful advice |
| 19:35.29 | rabies | greycat: same w/ you |
| 19:35.36 | Spec | i have it working on one debian server...but not on the other |
| 19:35.38 | greycat | Spec: foo=$(ls *.iso | wc -l); foo=${foo// /} |
| 19:35.42 | Gnea | rabies: try not telling us how to do things |
| 19:35.47 | greycat | rabies: fuck you. |
| 19:35.49 | teprrr | hmm, sid is totally broken atm? no xbase-clients, no glut and so on? |
| 19:35.50 | rabies | Gnea: "us"? |
| 19:35.53 | Gnea | !troll rabies |
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| 19:36.01 | Gnea | rabies: #debian |
| 19:36.03 | resiak | teprrr: BTS? /topic ? |
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| 19:36.19 | valdyn | teprrr: if you dont keep using the older versions, yes |
| 19:36.27 | gremlin | Hi, I hope someone can help. I'm trying to install sarge mini debian and when installing i get the message Base installation error: debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1) |
| 19:36.30 | Atula | !x |
| 19:36.34 | mihaly | valdyn: how are you suppose to get a stable debian version? |
| 19:36.44 | rabies | valyn: that isnt useful |
| 19:36.44 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 19:36.44 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:36.46 | rabies | Gnea: try giving some useful advice |
| 19:36.48 | rabies | oops |
| 19:36.51 | rabies | gotta find the right one |
| 19:36.53 | greycat | gremlin: can you just use a net install CD? |
| 19:37.00 | teprrr | resiak, yeah, it's so easy to find out the right package and so on for a newb.. |
| 19:37.09 | lestest | anybody knows where I can get marrillat public key' |
| 19:37.11 | Spec | greycat: thanks |
| 19:37.12 | Atula | is this the right command to reconfigure x: dpkg-reconfigure xserverfree86? |
| 19:37.14 | greycat | lestest: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:37.15 | Spec | for file in *; do TEST=`ls "$file"`; foo=$(ls *.iso|wc -l); foo=${foo// /}; TMP="`hostname`-`date +%m-%d-%y`-`echo $TEST|cut -c 1`_of_$foo.iso";echo "$TMP";done |
| 19:37.16 | resiak | teprrr: Why the hell are you running Sid then? /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:37.16 | pablum | for file in *.iso; do mv $file foo-$file; done |
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| 19:37.18 | resiak | !drxx Atula |
| 19:37.19 | dpkg | Atula: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:37.21 | valdyn | rabies: i have no idea why the hints dpkg gave you are not useful, maybe rephrase your question |
| 19:37.21 | gremlin | I could give it a go i guess.. thanks for your reply! |
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| 19:37.27 | resiak | Oh, arse, we have to change that now :( |
| 19:37.29 | greycat | Spec: what the fuck is TEST=`ls "$file"` for? |
| 19:37.36 | teprrr | resiak, because stable is soooooo old? |
| 19:37.42 | lestest | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.45 | resiak | teprrr: It's not. |
| 19:37.45 | lestest | ops |
| 19:37.51 | Ronin | teprrr: so old? its only what a month old? |
| 19:37.51 | Gnea | #309143 - xlibs: libxpm4's new s_popen() function is insecure garbage |
| 19:37.52 | Gnea | ahahaha |
| 19:37.55 | rabies | valdyn: i know how to make modelines, but i dont know how to modify them so that the res is slightly smaller |
| 19:38.08 | greycat | Ronin: that's, like, WEEKS and WEEKS!! |
| 19:38.10 | resiak | teprrr: You should use testing if you're bothered by that. |
| 19:38.13 | Spec | greycat: good question... |
| 19:38.21 | HolyGoat | Hmm. The only way to re-initiate /etc/environment is to log in again, right? |
| 19:38.25 | Justin | Spec: why don't you just write it in a sane language like python, and avoid all of that crap? |
| 19:38.25 | teprrr | Ronin, um. there was freeze before release, iirc.. |
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| 19:38.29 | resiak | teprrr: Read the Sid FAQ. You should _not_ be using it. |
| 19:38.31 | teprrr | resiak, I've been using sid for some years now |
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| 19:38.37 | rabies | valdyn: aand those links are useless |
| 19:38.38 | valdyn | rabies: why would you do that? to make your picture not fill the whole screen? |
| 19:38.41 | teprrr | resiak, and no, I'm not gonna go for testing |
| 19:38.41 | greycat | HolyGoat: usually, yes. |
| 19:38.42 | Spec | Justin: bash is fun :p |
| 19:38.43 | Gnea | HolyGoat: . /etc/environment |
| 19:38.45 | rabies | valdyn: its spilling over |
| 19:38.49 | resiak | teprrr: Then you should be able to find the right package. |
| 19:38.51 | rabies | valdyn: and this isnt a monitor, its a tv |
| 19:39.03 | teprrr | resiak, yeah right |
| 19:39.06 | resiak | teprrr: If you can't check the BTS, you _should_ _not_ be using Sid. |
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| 19:39.10 | resiak | teprrr: READ THE FAQ |
| 19:39.10 | rabies | brb |
| 19:39.11 | greycat | HolyGoat: you could always apply it to every interactive shell you have open, but that won't make your WM pick it up, etc. |
| 19:39.15 | valdyn | rabies: a tv is a monitor with a built in radio reciever and fixed frequencies |
| 19:39.21 | Justin | Spec: images=glob.glob("*.iso") ; num = len(images) ; actually makes sense though |
| 19:39.27 | teprrr | man I love debian developers... |
| 19:39.34 | greycat | some of them. |
| 19:39.39 | HolyGoat | Gnea: Whoa. |
| 19:39.45 | greycat | Justin: bash can do that too. |
| 19:39.48 | Gnea | HolyGoat: hi, welcome to unix |
| 19:39.54 | greycat | Justin: images=(*.iso); num=${#images[@]} |
| 19:39.56 | HolyGoat | Heh. I never knew that. |
| 19:39.58 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:40.01 | resiak | teprrr: I'm not a dd. |
| 19:40.03 | HolyGoat | Thanks :) |
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| 19:40.13 | HolyGoat | greycat: So that's what . /etc/environment just did? |
| 19:40.14 | Gnea | HolyGoat: that's just another way of: source /etc/environment |
| 19:40.19 | Justin | greycat: ${#...[@]} is the kind of shit I like to avoid by using python :-P |
| 19:40.19 | greycat | HolyGoat: help . |
| 19:40.37 | leandro | hi al.. |
| 19:40.43 | greycat | Justin: glob.glob is prettier? |
| 19:40.45 | Spec | Justin: I generally use python over bash because of the crazy |
| 19:40.49 | leandro | what is worng with this stmt ? iptables -v -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/8 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 10.2.0.34 |
| 19:40.57 | Spec | Justin: but sometimes i have to embrace the crazy |
| 19:41.05 | Spec | leandro: #iptables |
| 19:41.15 | teprrr | resiak, well, anyway, that wasn't directly to you but for debian guys generally.. no doubt why new devels find it hard to get into it :P |
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| 19:41.19 | greycat | Spec: images=(*.iso); num=${#images[@]}; for file in "${images[@]}"; do ... |
| 19:41.22 | pablum | Spec, don't know if this is what you're trying to do, but for file in *.iso; do mv $file `hostname`-`date +%m-%d-%y`-$file; done |
| 19:41.36 | joey__ | which package do I need to install to get include/compat.h file ? |
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| 19:41.48 | valdyn | rabies: tv is 640x256 ( pal ) and 640x200 ( ntsc ), twice the y value w/ interlace |
| 19:41.48 | greycat | joey__: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:41.54 | lestest | thanks for all greycat |
| 19:41.54 | teprrr | but well, I'm not blaming you.. maybe I'll change to kubuntu when/if this installation/hd gets borked sometime |
| 19:41.57 | Spec | I have 1.iso, 2.iso, ..., n.iso, and i'm trying to make it hostname-date-#_of_#.iso |
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| 19:42.02 | pablum | put an echo before the 'mv' to see what it does |
| 19:42.06 | lestest | and anybody who helped |
| 19:42.11 | pablum | ah |
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| 19:42.15 | Spec | my script works, even if it is filled with uselessness |
| 19:42.16 | lestest | see you |
| 19:42.22 | resiak | teprrr: Just use Etch. It's really _not_ much older than Sid, and isn't broken. |
| 19:42.22 | binarydigit_ | google |
| 19:42.34 | greycat | Spec: ok... then, uh, why are we having this conversation? :) |
| 19:42.42 | Heronic | hello is there anyway to have a full log? i mean my box crashes every couple of days |
| 19:42.47 | Spec | greycat: it wasn't working before the foo goodness :) |
| 19:42.50 | greycat | full log of what? |
| 19:42.55 | joey__ | which package do I need to install to get include/compat.h file ? |
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| 19:42.59 | greycat | joey__: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:43.03 | teprrr | resiak, I use testing in my router, and yes, it's been broken :) |
| 19:43.07 | useruser | greycat: i=(*) always seems to get me one filename in $i |
| 19:43.14 | Spec | joel_: apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search <filename> |
| 19:43.15 | resiak | teprrr: Not _as_ broken :) |
| 19:43.17 | joey__ | greycat there're 16K packages |
| 19:43.17 | greycat | useruser: i is an array. $i is just the first element. |
| 19:43.19 | joey__ | which one |
| 19:43.27 | Heronic | everything that can cause a crash (making the box go totaly offline) |
| 19:43.28 | greycat | useruser: "${i[@]}" is all of 'em |
| 19:43.29 | binarydigit_ | joey__: do a fucking search |
| 19:43.29 | valdyn | Heronic: log to a box that doesnt crash |
| 19:43.33 | teprrr | resiak, well, sid isn't often broken either :P |
| 19:43.41 | Spec | joey__: : apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search <filename> |
| 19:43.41 | useruser | greycat: aha |
| 19:43.46 | teprrr | mostly it works like charm, thought I've compiled qt and kde myself |
| 19:43.56 | pablum | Spec, for file in *.iso; do bn=${file%.txt}; mv $file `hostname`-`date +%m-%d-%y`-$bn-$file; done |
| 19:43.59 | joey__ | :) |
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| 19:44.15 | pablum | again, put an echo before the 'mv' to see what it does |
| 19:44.16 | fayt | hey all.. i got a kinda stupid question.. i have a tar archive on a windows partition which i cant write to.. i want to extract it to my linux partition but i dont have the space on the partition, so how would i go about extracting individual files from the tar? |
| 19:44.17 | greycat | pablum: .txt? :) |
| 19:44.25 | fayt | ive got 2 out but i forgot how i did it i guess |
| 19:44.26 | pablum | sorry... testing artifact |
| 19:44.28 | resiak | teprrr: Right, but when it does break it's catastrophic and people come and whine in here and they should all just run testing and be _much_ happier. The biggest breakage in Testing I can remember is Gnome losing icons for a while (oh, so inconvenient!). |
| 19:44.29 | joey__ | linux users .... |
| 19:44.33 | pablum | s/b .iso |
| 19:44.37 | resiak | fayt: man tar |
| 19:44.38 | jharrisonwk | fayt: man tar |
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| 19:45.00 | joey__ | okay wankers, it was libc6-dev *package* |
| 19:45.03 | joey__ | not file |
| 19:45.04 | Atula | does anyone know what video driver is needed for Dell PowerEdge SC420? |
| 19:45.16 | fayt | man dell poweredge |
| 19:45.22 | jharrisonwk | joey__: you are a wanker |
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| 19:45.27 | binarydigit_ | joey__: teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry |
| 19:45.28 | greycat | joey__: and what did you learn from this? |
| 19:45.28 | ZLodei | What do you think about russian? |
| 19:45.29 | useruser | fayt: tar x /path/to/it |
| 19:45.34 | Spec | pablum: not quite, you got: myhostname-07-15-05-5.iso-5.iso |
| 19:45.34 | useruser | fayt: um, that's wrong |
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| 19:45.35 | Atula | fayt: If I have it running.... I wouldn't ask you |
| 19:45.38 | useruser | fayt: but you get the picture |
| 19:45.46 | Atula | now |
| 19:45.48 | Atula | does anyone know what video driver is needed for Dell PowerEdge SC420? |
| 19:45.52 | joey__ | greycat nothing new, the channel is full of sel-indulgent wankers as always |
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| 19:45.55 | pablum | shouldn't |
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| 19:46.03 | pablum | are you using bash? |
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| 19:46.05 | jharrisonwk | joey__: your mother is a wanker |
| 19:46.05 | Spec | yeap |
| 19:46.07 | binarydigit_ | uh oh |
| 19:46.08 | valdyn | Atula: google knows, lspci might aswell |
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| 19:46.19 | resiak | !pal joey__ |
| 19:46.20 | Spec | it's keeping the 1.iso, instead of cutting out the .iso |
| 19:46.25 | ThePiratemaster | what causes / to be mounted at read-only at boot? |
| 19:46.26 | greycat | joey__: no, the right answer was "I learned how to search for packages that contain the files I require, thanks." |
| 19:46.27 | binarydigit_ | haha |
| 19:46.33 | fayt | yeah i got the picture im just pissed off cuz i cant seem to extract individual files by name from the tar.. ill figger it out though |
| 19:46.42 | fayt | atula you would think dell may have something on their site |
| 19:46.45 | ZLodei | jharrisonwk, your mother is a wanker! |
| 19:46.50 | valdyn | ThePiratemaster: a not automatically safely revoverable error. |
| 19:46.51 | Spec | joey__: did you do what I told you to do? |
| 19:46.52 | jharrisonwk | ZLodei: oh no |
| 19:46.57 | binarydigit_ | your mothers a whore trebek |
| 19:46.59 | jharrisonwk | ZLodei: now you have gone and hurt my feelings |
| 19:47.04 | greycat | bonus points for "Thanks for teaching me how to grow and be an independent person so I don't have to bother you with my silly questions again" |
| 19:47.05 | pablum | Spec, paste the command you did |
| 19:47.05 | ZLodei | :D |
| 19:47.08 | fayt | first you need to find out what video card it has in it (assuming the poweredge is the pc not the vid card) |
| 19:47.08 | jharrisonwk | binarydigit_: hehe |
| 19:47.10 | ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 19:47.20 | ThePiratemaster | and what must i do to fix that? |
| 19:47.40 | valdyn | ThePiratemaster: run fsck on that device |
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| 19:47.43 | Spec | pablum: for file in *; do foo=$(ls *.iso|wc -l); foo=${foo// /}; TMP="`hostname`-`date +%m-%d-%y`-`echo $file|cut -c 1`_of_$foo.iso";echo "$TMP";done |
| 19:47.50 | greycat | fayt: you have to match the names precisely. including leading ./ and so on. |
| 19:48.00 | pablum | oh for crap's sake |
| 19:48.00 | greycat | fayt: unless you use wildcards, and if you do that, you must quote them. |
| 19:48.03 | ThePiratemaster | reiserfsck |
| 19:48.10 | zinx | grrrr |
| 19:48.19 | fayt | okay.. thank you |
| 19:48.20 | pablum | Spec, is that what I told you to use? |
| 19:48.26 | Spec | no |
| 19:48.27 | zinx | why was libglu1 changed to libglu1c2 |
| 19:48.30 | Justin | Spec: why are you doing foo=$(ls *.iso|wc -l); foo=${foo// /}; at each iteration of the loop? |
| 19:48.31 | Spec | oh, you mean the command that gave the bad output? |
| 19:48.40 | lilo | this is the code we'll be running here in a few days ;) |
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| 19:48.45 | binarydigit_ | whats new in it |
| 19:48.47 | lilo | be afraid ;) be very afraid ;) and help us test :) |
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| 19:48.53 | pablum | Spec, let me give it to you again... |
| 19:48.56 | lilo | binarydigit_: a lot of bugfixes, a few minor feature changes |
| 19:48.57 | valdyn | !info libglu1c2 |
| 19:48.59 | Spec | pablum: this is what you gave me, and errs: for file in *.iso;do bn=${file%.txt}; echo $file `hostname`-`date +%m-%d-%y`-$bn-$file;done |
| 19:49.03 | lilo | binarydigit_: we need it pretty badly |
| 19:49.05 | pablum | Spec, for file in *.iso; do bn=${file%.iso}; mv $file `hostname`-`date +%m-%d-%y`-$bn-$file; done |
| 19:49.06 | zinx | i mean, is mesa's libglu really binary-incompatible with x.org's? |
| 19:49.07 | binarydigit_ | lilo: is there a changelog |
| 19:49.11 | ZLodei | Did you know that english foul language is very scanty! |
| 19:49.13 | lilo | binarydigit_: you'll have to look at the SVN |
| 19:49.19 | lilo | binarydigit_: topic of #hyperion |
| 19:49.23 | Spec | pablum: that is what i have ;) |
| 19:49.25 | pablum | see, I made the very simple correction that greycat mentioned it required |
| 19:49.25 | greycat | ZLodei: compared to what? |
| 19:49.26 | valdyn | zinx: it wasnt ? |
| 19:49.31 | binarydigit_ | blah |
| 19:49.44 | lilo | binarydigit_: not sure the changelog is kept up, but there's always the subversion change history :) |
| 19:49.48 | zinx | valdyn: it was |
| 19:49.52 | binarydigit_ | heh |
| 19:49.58 | pablum | no, slight difference. PUT A FUCKING ECHO IN FRONT OF MV if you want to see what it's going to do |
| 19:50.01 | zinx | valdyn: in sid, x.org has a libglu1-xorg |
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| 19:50.08 | valdyn | zinx: no, these issues come from c++ abi transition from g++-3.3 to g++-4.0 |
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| 19:50.14 | zinx | valdyn: it provides libglu1c2 and conflicts with libglu1 |
| 19:50.25 | Spec | pablum: ahh! :p |
| 19:50.26 | greycat | and people still use C++. |
| 19:50.29 | zinx | valdyn: libglu is a C library, afaik |
| 19:50.29 | greycat | !pal people |
| 19:50.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping? |
| 19:50.31 | WiFiTux | what was greycat's ATM factoid... |
| 19:50.34 | Spec | pablum: hehe, okay, it works now ^.^ |
| 19:50.36 | WiFiTux | !atm |
| 19:50.36 | dpkg | somebody said atm was (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. or 'at the moment' or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50. |
| 19:50.40 | zinx | valdyn: i've always used it as such, in any case |
| 19:50.44 | WiFiTux | nop.. |
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| 19:50.56 | thewonderllama | i have a probably unimportant, possibly stupid question |
| 19:51.01 | WiFiTux | greycat: what was the link for your mail server tutorial? |
| 19:51.04 | Spec | pablum: what does ${file%.iso} do? |
| 19:51.05 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 19:51.05 | dpkg | it has been said that mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 19:51.06 | zinx | valdyn: and now, every single application/library that depends on libglu1 needs to be switched to libglu1c2, for reasons I do not understand (hence, why I'm asking) |
| 19:51.11 | greycat | Spec: removes the .iso from the end |
| 19:51.18 | jharrisonwk | thewonderllama: and now we want to hear it? |
| 19:51.20 | WiFiTux | greycat: thanks |
| 19:51.33 | Spec | mm, that way is much to easy and unconvoluted |
| 19:51.34 | thewonderllama | jharrisonwk: heheh |
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| 19:51.40 | Seb | i just installed kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686, but somehow /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build is not there |
| 19:51.48 | greycat | Spec: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:51.52 | Seb | what is this link supposed to point ti ? |
| 19:51.53 | valdyn | zinx: abi transition. |
| 19:51.54 | Seb | to |
| 19:51.55 | greycat | er, Seb |
| 19:51.57 | Granden- | What do I have to isntall to get this file |
| 19:51.58 | zinx | valdyn: for a C library? |
| 19:51.59 | Granden- | skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:52.01 | WiFiTux | greycat: Yes, I know I'm welcome. Thank you! |
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| 19:52.06 | pablum | Spec, it removes everything with a right side matching what's on the right side of the % |
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| 19:52.07 | valdyn | zinx: i havent looked at the code, it must be using c++ |
| 19:52.11 | Seb | greycat: aaaah, k |
| 19:52.16 | crystalremo | how can you tell what speed your network card is connected? |
| 19:52.19 | valdyn | zinx: you cant see what its implemented in by using it. |
| 19:52.23 | greycat | crystalremo: dmesg might say. otherwise use mii-tool |
| 19:52.31 | Justin | greycat: see, your learning :-P |
| 19:52.42 | pablum | er, more or less |
| 19:52.45 | jharrisonwk | thewonderllama: grilling some llama tonight |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | Justin: oh, I've used mii-tool before... I just can't use it on every NIC on every machine. |
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| 19:52.53 | Spec | pablum: so it cuts out .iso, simple :p |
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| 19:52.57 | Spec | tooo simple! |
| 19:52.59 | fayt | with just tar -x it will extract to the current directory im bashin around in? cuz its a windows read only partition errrg. i can figure this out from here but this has been a terrible ordeal.. first the files are corrupt in windows but not in linux so i have to use a 4x 650mb cdrw disk to transfer these to windows after i get the darn things out of the tar one by one |
| 19:53.21 | thewonderllama | is aptitude actually anything more than apt with an (arguably) somewhat friendlier syntax? |
| 19:53.22 | greycat | fayt: -C dir, or "cd /blah; tar ..." |
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| 19:53.33 | pablum | Spec, you can use globs with '%%', too. and '#' has a similar role for the left side. |
| 19:53.40 | Justin | greycat: I think mii-tool also doesn't understand 1000-FD |
| 19:53.42 | thewonderllama | jharrisonwk: llama is bad for your kidneys |
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| 19:53.43 | greycat | thewonderllama: it behaves differently. |
| 19:53.48 | zinx | valdyn: grr it uses C++ indeed |
| 19:53.51 | pablum | er... no |
| 19:53.54 | zinx | valdyn: i hate that :/ |
| 19:53.57 | greycat | !smite C++ |
| 19:54.10 | rob_lt | thewonderllama, aptitude and apt-get are both separate front-ends to dpkg |
| 19:54.13 | pablum | '%%' grabs the biggest matching glob... |
| 19:54.23 | valdyn | zinx: look at the last line from apt-cache show libglu1-xorg and at the last line of xlibmesa-glu |
| 19:54.39 | zinx | i guess the C++ programmers complained that they didn't have an interface they were used to working with |
| 19:54.44 | valdyn | zinx: look at the last line from 'apt-cache show libglu1-xorg' and at the last line of 'apt-cache show xlibmesa-glu' |
| 19:54.51 | thewonderllama | okay |
| 19:54.57 | zinx | valdyn: i looked at the output from ldd /usr/lib/libGLU.so |
| 19:55.00 | thewonderllama | greycat, rob_lt, thanks |
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| 19:55.20 | IRCMonkey | Hello All |
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| 19:55.31 | zinx | valdyn: because i didn't trust the description ;P |
| 19:55.33 | IRCMonkey | I would like to install Debian on a PowerPC G5 |
| 19:55.37 | IRCMonkey | Can I get any help? |
| 19:55.44 | rabies | okay, i have a DDC modeline i am using for my HDTV, but its slightly too big for my HDTV, so i need to scale it down somehow or lower the resolution so that i dont lose parts of apps when i try and view them |
| 19:55.48 | rob_lt | thewonderllama, and you can use aptitude "like" apt-get, in that you can "aptitude install <packagename>" from the CLI |
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| 19:56.03 | rabies | there any tool to scale resolutions? |
| 19:56.27 | Heronic | greycat is there any tool that monitors the system on processes, mem, cpu usage and everything to 1 file? |
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| 19:56.41 | Spec | pablum: your method is 3x faster than mine, yours: real 0m0.028s sys 0m0.010s, mine: real 0m0.094s sys 0m0.040s |
| 19:56.56 | Heronic | syslog is clean tho the whole system is one big crash |
| 19:56.58 | pablum | Spec, that's because yours was shite :) |
| 19:57.00 | fayt | justin: how does it look on a hdtv? on my old tv it sucks bad |
| 19:57.11 | rabies | ideas? =D |
| 19:57.19 | PeterB | !ideas |
| 19:57.27 | PeterB | Bah. |
| 19:57.28 | Justin | fayt: my tv is basically a 32" lcd, it looks perfect, would probably look even better if I used dvi |
| 19:57.32 | valdyn | rabies: so you tried what dpkg told you? it isnt fucking hard. |
| 19:57.34 | Spec | pablum: I prefer the term uselessly convoluted |
| 19:57.45 | zinx | they shoulda made a libGLU++ like all the other braindead C++ wrappers :/ |
| 19:57.51 | rabies | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 19:58.50 | valdyn | rabies: your TV has hsync and vsync ranges it can use like any other monitor, so you can also generate a modeline like for any other monitor |
| 19:59.13 | greycat | zinx: wishlist bug :) |
| 19:59.17 | rabies | valdyn: well 1920x540 isnt exactly a standard mode, so videogen cant generate a line |
| 19:59.21 | pablum | Spec, better term... |
| 19:59.30 | Seb | hrm, i seem to be banned from #kismet, which afaics I never even joined before :\ What does one do in this case ? |
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| 19:59.31 | valdyn | rabies: im *sure* it can |
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| 19:59.42 | Spec | Seb: bitch and moan :-/ |
| 19:59.42 | Heronic | cool thx gonna try that right away |
| 19:59.47 | Seb | Spec: where ? :) |
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| 19:59.55 | Spec | Seb: I dunno; i'm just sayin what i'd do :p |
| 19:59.59 | rabies | valdyn: ill try again |
| 20:00.01 | Seb | hmm |
| 20:00.03 | zinx | greycat: hehe :) |
| 20:00.06 | rabies | valdyn: videogen cant, i KNOW it cant |
| 20:00.16 | zinx | greycat: now that they've done it this way, though, i don't see them changing :/ |
| 20:00.25 | FieldySnuts | !lart externally hosted company mail server for being 30 - 90 minutes behind in delivering anything |
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| 20:00.59 | SquareRt | I've noticed that if you're belligerant, you can set an insecure password even with pam_passwdqc.so or pam_cracklib.so |
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| 20:01.05 | konki | vlc media player can't play some .wmv files... note: plays audio no video output... any suggestion on finding video codecs or whatever?? |
| 20:01.27 | medvind | hello. i'm trying to mount my sony dsc-p73 cybershot camera. it doesn't show up as /dev/sda1 and gtkam can't detect it. what should I do? |
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| 20:01.44 | thewonderllama | rob_lt: yeah, i briefly scanned the man page and thought it was just a wrapper to apt-get functionality, i'll give it another look sometime...or maybe not, apt-(get|cache) work just fine for me... |
| 20:01.51 | useruser | konki: try w32codecs from marillat's packages, perhaps |
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| 20:02.58 | konki | thanks useruser, i'll try that |
| 20:03.01 | aurax | does anyone knows how to use cvs under windows ? |
| 20:03.02 | useruser | medvind: try this page: http://www.math.tifr.res.in/blog/?p=31 |
| 20:03.11 | rabies | valdyn: thx for the encouragement i guess ;) |
| 20:03.20 | useruser | aurax: it's the same as in *nix, isn't it? at least the cygwin port |
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| 20:03.31 | vincent | hrm i'm having some trouble getting a serial device working, should lspci show a driver for it ? |
| 20:03.34 | rabies | time to try it out |
| 20:03.43 | Snow-Man | Is aptitude busted currently? |
| 20:03.50 | Snow-Man | I heard it was, but it appears to be installable. |
| 20:03.55 | Snow-Man | (Talking about sid, of course). |
| 20:03.57 | IRCMonkey | can anyone help with installing debian on a G5? |
| 20:04.31 | binarydigit_ | !anyone |
| 20:04.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:06.35 | medvind | useruser, thanks, but it doesn't work. gphoto can't find or initiate the camera. |
| 20:07.00 | fayt | tar -x /mnt/hda1/mIRC/Download/blahblah.tar/-directory-in-tar-/file.ext <-- that just make tar hang.. i think its because the windows thing? |
| 20:07.00 | valdyn | rabies: give me your display specs please |
| 20:07.08 | Snow-Man | Grrr. |
| 20:07.12 | Snow-Man | Useless people. :P |
| 20:07.14 | useruser | fayt: you need tar xf, not just tar x |
| 20:07.26 | greycat | and you need to specify the name of the tar file. |
| 20:07.32 | useruser | Snow-Man: apt-listbugs doesn't report anything untoward |
| 20:07.36 | pablum | !news |
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| 20:07.56 | stew | pablum: news has been dead for a long time now |
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| 20:08.05 | konki | useruser, do i install it using apt-get?? |
| 20:08.11 | Snow-Man | useruser: Hrmpf. I heard the C++ transistion had busted it. |
| 20:08.11 | crystalremo | what should a linux tcp window size be? like default |
| 20:08.14 | pablum | huh, just taking a guess. |
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| 20:08.15 | konki | w32codec |
| 20:08.16 | Snow-Man | Guess I'll give it a shot anyway. |
| 20:08.18 | rabies | valdyn: no luck |
| 20:08.25 | useruser | konki: yes, but /msg dpkg marillat first |
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| 20:08.36 | Bloodmyst | Heh, could any of you Debian guys give me a bit of help with Ubuntu? |
| 20:08.38 | fayt | where would that extract it to, my home dir? |
| 20:08.45 | useruser | Bloodmyst: i suspect not |
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| 20:08.53 | binarydigit_ | #ubuntu |
| 20:08.54 | useruser | fayt: your current directory |
| 20:08.55 | greycat | Bloodmyst: no. |
| 20:08.57 | pablum | !ubuntu |
| 20:08.57 | dpkg | [ubuntu] a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 20:08.57 | ThePiratemaster | bloodmyst, i could try |
| 20:09.03 | Snow-Man | Damnit. I had fixed all the broken packages. |
| 20:09.10 | valdyn | rabies: i cant help w/o the specs. |
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| 20:09.20 | crystalremo | what should a linux tcp window size be? like default |
| 20:09.23 | rend | hey... we are trying to test out the new freenode server... /server irc.freenode.net 9001 .... problem is we only have 800 users and need 200 more... anyone able to help? |
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| 20:09.34 | pablum | !ubuntusmite Bloodmyst for asking about ubuntu on #debian |
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| 20:09.47 | rabies | valdyn: what do you need? |
| 20:09.47 | Bloodmyst | ThePiratemaster: I installed a new kernel image in Ubuntu to get DRI working on my video card. Now, some of my video players crash when I open a file. What should I do? |
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| 20:10.06 | fayt | okay okay im gettin this thing down now.. last thing i need to know is how use wildcards but --help be good with that |
| 20:10.06 | ThePiratemaster | sorry, dont know |
| 20:10.10 | Bloodmyst | ThePiratemaster: 3D graphics do work now though, and MPlayer does too. |
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| 20:10.11 | empty | Bloodmyst, what you should do is ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:10.14 | valdyn | rabies: screen refresh rate(s), vsync / hsync |
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| 20:10.21 | vincent | is the serial module compiled into the debian kernel by default ? how would one check ? |
| 20:10.30 | Bloodmyst | empty: I already have. People ignore it. |
| 20:10.34 | konki | useruser, how exactly do i dpkg marillat? |
| 20:10.41 | abrotman | vincent: modconf ? ... |
| 20:10.42 | empty | Bloodmyst, well, too bad. This Ain't Ubuntu |
| 20:10.45 | abrotman | !tell konki about marillat |
| 20:10.48 | valdyn | rabies: dot clock freq |
| 20:10.52 | abrotman | !tell konki about mplayer |
| 20:10.56 | rabies | valdyn: hsync: 15-41, vsync=59-61, resolution: 1080i or 720p, dot clock max: 80 |
| 20:10.58 | empty | konki, type "/msg dpkg marillat" |
| 20:11.21 | Bloodmyst | empty: Well, yeah but Ubuntu is very similar to Debian |
| 20:11.23 | useruser | konki: ^^^ |
| 20:11.30 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 20:11.30 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:11.35 | useruser | Bloodmyst: they also have a very similar irc channel |
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| 20:11.46 | empty | Bloodmyst, type O and type A blood are "similar" but you don't do transfusions willy-nilly |
| 20:12.18 | Bloodmyst | empty: My my, aren't we a bit aggressive today? |
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| 20:12.27 | rabies | valdyn: brb |
| 20:12.29 | theUg | !i |
| 20:12.29 | dpkg | i is probably the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 20:12.35 | useruser | Bloodmyst: i'd say this is par for the course :) |
| 20:12.44 | konki | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.50 | empty | Bloodmyst, Every day. Ubuntu is not Debian. If you can't find help with Ubuntu then perhaps you want another distro |
| 20:13.14 | Bloodmyst | useruser: Eh, it's IRC i'm used to it |
| 20:13.16 | binarydigit_ | Bloodmyst: try debian, i hear its a good distro |
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| 20:13.31 | Bloodmyst | binarydigit: Already ran it for a while. |
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| 20:13.47 | konki | useruser, i found the site... thanks i'll try to install it by myself... thanks alot |
| 20:14.03 | empty | Bloodmyst, seveal people told you the same thing- use Ubuntus support channels- yet here you are, asking here despite knowing that you should be asking elsewhere |
| 20:14.06 | binarydigit_ | Bloodmyst: whyd you stop |
| 20:14.10 | pablum | Bloodmyst, you know, you can change the desktop wallpaper in debian if you want naked people on it... |
| 20:14.16 | theUg | Hey, don't throw stones at me. I'm new to IRC, so I don't know where to ask, and I've been here before. Anyhow, where is the good Windows channel? Don't take it as a blasphemy. |
| 20:14.23 | Bloodmyst | empty: You're the only one. |
| 20:14.27 | empty | pabl0, LOL |
| 20:14.27 | meursault | can someone tell me where the fvwm2rc debian uses is? if i look in x-sessions-error i see lots of error that no config is found, but it doesnt tell me where the config is, because fvwm works (altough its ugly) |
| 20:14.34 | pablum | !windows |
| 20:14.34 | dpkg | methinks windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 20:14.34 | empty | pablum, LOL I mean |
| 20:14.43 | empty | Bloodmyst, no I am not |
| 20:14.46 | theUg | !shit |
| 20:14.46 | dpkg | i heard shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 20:15.00 | useruser | meursault: i don't know the answer, but I suspect that man fvwm2 will tell you |
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| 20:15.11 | greycat | pablum: not if you just spoke. |
| 20:15.15 | empty | useruser Bloodmyst: i suspect not |
| 20:15.20 | empty | binarydigit_ #ubuntu |
| 20:15.23 | Bloodmyst | empty: Have you ever heard of general Linux problems? Not all problems on Debian happen only on Debian and vice-versa. |
| 20:15.25 | empty | greycat Bloodmyst: no. |
| 20:15.31 | empty | pablum !ubuntu |
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| 20:15.35 | binarydigit_ | empty: what |
| 20:15.36 | useruser | empty: eh? |
| 20:15.36 | empty | any of those ringing a bell? |
| 20:15.52 | pablum | greycat, ? |
| 20:15.59 | theUg | So for shuggy, where's da Win channel? |
| 20:16.05 | theUg | I'm serious. |
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| 20:16.10 | useruser | theUg: google Has The Answer |
| 20:16.11 | debian | re |
| 20:16.11 | greycat | pablum: intelligent IRC clients will tab complete to the most recently-active nick, not the first alphabetically. |
| 20:16.19 | empty | Sorry guys, Bloodmyst was saying I was the only one that told he/she to go elsewhere for ubuntu |
| 20:16.24 | theUg | useruser, I need IRC channel |
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| 20:16.29 | useruser | theUg: google it |
| 20:16.40 | kBoomer | goolge it |
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| 20:16.46 | empty | Bloodmyst, I have heard of many such problems |
| 20:16.48 | rob_lt | !da |
| 20:16.49 | dpkg | from memory, da is russian for yes. |
| 20:16.56 | Bloodmyst | empty: Then grow up. |
| 20:16.59 | pablum | greycat, ah. thanks for the tip |
| 20:17.09 | empty | Bloodmyst, but you are talking about the kernel (which is different in Ubuntu) and vid drivers |
| 20:17.11 | kBoomer | !test |
| 20:17.11 | dpkg | Yes, kboomer, you're still online. |
| 20:17.22 | theUg | Google won't tell me if it's a good channel, dumdum |
| 20:17.25 | kBoomer | oh. do you have to register your nick to have voice? |
| 20:17.30 | Seb | hrm, anyone in here also in #kismet ? I'm banned for no reason (I swear :) ) so I could use a lil' bit of help... |
| 20:17.32 | *** part/#debian rend (rend@rend-000001.user) |
| 20:17.32 | kBoomer | can you hear me? ;) |
| 20:17.43 | empty | Bloodmyst, OK, so you did not find an answer here. Go check with the Fedora folks down the hall I guess |
| 20:17.46 | pablum | !smite empty for not using a reasonably intelligent IRC client |
| 20:17.55 | kBoomer | testicles... that is all. |
| 20:18.08 | Bloodmyst | empty: Yes. However, I'm also talking about changing a kernel in Linux in general. Am I following the correct instructions for post-configuration in general? I don't think my question was kernel specific. |
| 20:18.26 | useruser | Bloodmyst: there is also a #linux channel which may interest you |
| 20:18.30 | Bloodmyst | empty: Ubuntu is very close to Debian. Fedora is nowhere near there. |
| 20:18.36 | Bloodmyst | useruser: thanks. |
| 20:18.43 | rob_lt | Seb, I pasted what you said in #kismet |
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| 20:18.51 | empty | Bloodmyst, but I thought it was a general linux problem? |
| 20:18.53 | Seb | rob_lt: ah, thanks a ton, man |
| 20:18.55 | meursault | useruser, i looked it up in the man page and there's nothing at those locations |
| 20:19.00 | pablum | jesus, go tell it on the mountain. Or in #ubuntu |
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| 20:19.09 | greycat | Bloodmyst: ##linux may be better than #linux |
| 20:19.20 | useruser | meursault: ok, next thing to try is /usr/share/doc/fvwm2/readme.debian |
| 20:19.27 | useruser | meursault: (modulo case) |
| 20:19.36 | binarydigit_ | Bloodmyst: try asking in the knoppix channel, its like debian too |
| 20:19.56 | theUg | Peeps, I need *good* (as in useful) windows channel. And google me arse. |
| 20:19.59 | Bloodmyst | It seems as though everyone here is helpful except for empty. This is why I always like this channel. Thanks everyone. Give empty the boot. |
| 20:20.09 | empty | Besides, Fedora uses yum and yum is based on apt |
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| 20:20.22 | empty | Bloodmyst, I am very helpful, with EBIAN questions |
| 20:20.22 | binarydigit_ | theUg: try #linux |
| 20:20.26 | jessiejames | later all |
| 20:20.29 | empty | debian even |
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| 20:20.37 | theUg | binarydigit_, thanx |
| 20:20.42 | pencil_neck | I have an unusual problem, looking for suggestions to solve it. I have a debian box that was compromised and has to be reformatted and rebuilt. Physical access is a problem. |
| 20:20.48 | binarydigit_ | welcome |
| 20:20.49 | kBoomer | !test |
| 20:20.49 | dpkg | Yes, kboomer, you're still online. |
| 20:20.53 | pencil_neck | It has 2 hard drives, though. I was thinking of low-level formatting drive 2, installing a shiny new kernel on it, using LILO to boot from that new, clean kernel, and then low-level formatting HD #1; LILO again to boot back from HD #1 (or maybe just leave it me and bridge the two drives. |
| 20:21.01 | Jacobo221 | why isn't sylpheed-claws added into KDE's menu? |
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| 20:21.05 | theUg | !preposterous |
| 20:21.13 | pencil_neck | Has anyone ever remotely restored a compromised box? Any advice? |
| 20:21.14 | Bloodmyst | empty: Maybe you'll be even more helpful when you're all grown up. |
| 20:21.16 | theUg | stupid bot |
| 20:21.18 | Bloodmyst | I'm off. |
| 20:21.20 | Bloodmyst | Thanks guys. |
| 20:21.21 | empty | pencil_neck, if that's a problem it's a big one |
| 20:21.26 | greycat | pencil_neck: serial console comes to mind. |
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| 20:21.43 | pencil_neck | that's an idea, greycat, thanks |
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| 20:21.49 | binarydigit_ | stupid irc user coming into a linux channel asking for a windows channel |
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| 20:23.01 | pablum | I just realized Bloodmyst's nick was very disturbing... |
| 20:23.28 | pencil_neck | what about the 2 hard drive idea? |
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| 20:23.51 | pencil_neck | it'll take time to get someone to plug anything into the serial port (if there is one) |
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| 20:25.00 | greycat | pablum: sounds like some windows game with fancy graphics and no gameplay |
| 20:25.48 | pablum | greycat, or a hollywood "girl gone bad" movie |
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| 20:27.24 | SNow | hi all,I have a question here. I bought HP compaq nx6110 yesterday, I tried to install debian there, but the cd-rom doesn't seem to boot, i configured the bios to boot the cdrom but nothing, then i tried to put in the xp cd, then another xp cd then slackware nothing, what happens, it only boots hdd |
| 20:27.34 | reda | After addind a NIC to my box, the soundcard doesn't work no more, could you help me fix this? |
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| 20:27.54 | ThePiratemaster | my root partition is mounted read-only, how i get out of this and how odi prevent this from happening |
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| 20:28.41 | pablum | SNow, maybe it's configured to boot from hd first... |
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| 20:29.26 | SNow | no the first boot device is cd-rom |
| 20:29.26 | pencil_neck | SNow -- also, check the data and power cables for the CDROM |
| 20:29.34 | useruser | how can i run e2fsck on my / partition? it's complaining about it on boot |
| 20:29.37 | SNow | but the processor is Pentium Celeron M |
| 20:29.42 | pablum | ThePiratemaster, why does it mount readonly? |
| 20:29.52 | SNow | pencil_neck it is an integrated laptop cdrom |
| 20:30.12 | pablum | SNow, maybe you have to try a couple times: I have a pcmcia cdrom on a laptop that's a little slow. |
| 20:30.13 | Th3_Ghost | hello i`m not finding trannset etc in debian sid xserver-xorg any ideas |
| 20:30.21 | useruser | SNow: maybe it's worth a call to HP |
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| 20:30.34 | Isumi | Hi, I have a problem with the network. dhclient says that there is no offer. before that it says "Listening on LPF/eth1/<null>". is it normal ? |
| 20:30.45 | rosen | ? |
| 20:30.48 | Th3_Ghost | i mean transset |
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| 20:31.28 | SNow | it is a new cdrom, i bought the PC yesterday |
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| 20:32.01 | greycat | SNow: does it have a floppy? |
| 20:32.16 | jme | hey, quick question about cups... |
| 20:32.19 | SNow | it doesn't :( |
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| 20:32.34 | SNow | there was a 'freedos' or some shit, i tried to run setup from cdrom |
| 20:32.36 | rbochan | sounds defective |
| 20:32.36 | SNow | said that |
| 20:32.37 | jme | i loaded the same printer driver for my hp 5150 (the foomatic one) that's always worked, but it's not printing :) |
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| 20:32.41 | useruser | SNow: can you disable booting from the HD in the bios? |
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| 20:32.46 | SNow | I can't |
| 20:32.49 | resiak | !tell SNow -about enter |
| 20:32.49 | SNow | it is like |
| 20:32.56 | jme | that includes the test page or anything else i attempt to print from the system |
| 20:32.57 | SNow | "first/second/third/fourth |
| 20:32.59 | SNow | sorry resiak |
| 20:33.01 | jme | any clues? |
| 20:33.04 | resiak | SNow: Hold F12 at boot. That's how I change the boot seq on my laptop. |
| 20:33.19 | SNow | it tells me to press F10 |
| 20:33.24 | SNow | what laptop resiak do you have ? |
| 20:33.39 | SNow | nothing resiak happened |
| 20:33.42 | SNow | i must press f10 |
| 20:34.07 | rosen | Can someone tell me how to reinstall grub? I had menu.lst set to my liking and I accidentally typed lilo thus overwriting the MBR to boot lilo |
| 20:34.18 | resiak | rosen: grub-install |
| 20:34.21 | Isumi | grun-install |
| 20:34.31 | rosen | with what arguments? |
| 20:34.41 | greycat | rosen: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 20:34.42 | resiak | rosen: read the grub docs. |
| 20:34.46 | SNow | the thing is that i can't disable the boot, I can't read from the cdrom, It doesn't have a floppy, and it doesn't boot. |
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| 20:34.55 | pablum | BECAUSE I SAID SO seems good. |
| 20:35.04 | greycat | SNow: call the vendor? |
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| 20:35.21 | rbochan | SNow: can you read from the cd _at all_? |
| 20:35.21 | SNow | it is Pentium M Proccessor, maybe this thing makes everything ? |
| 20:35.27 | SNow | yeah, I can read |
| 20:35.30 | greycat | SNow: nope. |
| 20:35.30 | emfpilot | rosen: apt-get --purge reinstall grub |
| 20:35.33 | resiak | SNow: No, that's completely irrelevant. |
| 20:35.45 | SNow | I opened the cdrom with the freedos thing |
| 20:35.48 | SNow | there was a SETUP |
| 20:35.55 | rosen | thanks |
| 20:35.57 | SNow | i tried to run it, it said that it is not a DOS program |
| 20:36.12 | SNow | then i formated the C nervously |
| 20:36.13 | SNow | :)) |
| 20:36.20 | SNow | and now shit happens |
| 20:36.20 | SNow | ;/ |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | take some pink stuff |
| 20:36.30 | useruser | SNow: call HP already |
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| 20:37.13 | SNow | the HP does not have an support in my country |
| 20:37.27 | pablum | litau |
| 20:37.37 | SNow | Lithuania :) |
| 20:37.38 | abrotman | HP has support everywhere |
| 20:37.39 | RichiH | abrotman: it seems they did _not_ fix it! |
| 20:37.41 | behrouz | i'm trying to compress a file using tar, the file is 780 megs, i have a 3200 amd athlong and so far it's been 40 min compressing the file and its not done yet! is it supposed to be like that |
| 20:37.46 | pencil_neck | SNow -- can you unplug the HD? If it won't boot to CDROM w/ no hard drive, it probably won't boot to CDROM ever |
| 20:37.51 | SNow | it doesn't in mine abrotman |
| 20:37.58 | abrotman | RichiH: let's get them! .. may i firmly suggest 10,000 paper cuts per offender? |
| 20:38.04 | rosen | question. Doesn't apt-get --purge reinstall grub just remove grub, delete it, and then reinstall it, but doesn't run grub? |
| 20:38.05 | SNow | I can't it is inserted inside the laptop |
| 20:38.15 | RichiH | abrotman: 2^10000! |
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| 20:38.28 | RichiH | and that ! is not an exclamation mark, it's faculty |
| 20:38.32 | pablum | tha's a lot of wet paper |
| 20:38.39 | abrotman | factorial! |
| 20:38.47 | emfpilot | rosen: no after purge you should be promted for the conf file |
| 20:38.47 | RichiH | abrotman: or that |
| 20:39.03 | pencil_neck | SNow -- do you know that the CDROM isn't defective? Will it read files once you boot from the HD? |
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| 20:39.05 | rosen | does it give a config file by default? |
| 20:39.10 | useruser | RichiH: yeah, but is that 2^(10000!) or (2^10000)! ? |
| 20:39.18 | RichiH | abrotman: no wait, they just did not create a daily snapshot |
| 20:39.29 | emfpilot | if it's hasn't been installed , yes |
| 20:39.30 | behrouz | i'm trying to compress a file using tar, the file is 780 megs, i have a 3200 amd athlong and so far it's been 40 min compressing the file and its not done yet! is it supposed to be like that |
| 20:39.32 | pablum | SNow, can you wait until you see text during the boot to pop the CD in? |
| 20:39.42 | RichiH | useruser: according to normal syntax (2^10000)!, which i realised too late |
| 20:39.44 | rosen | thakns |
| 20:39.45 | abrotman | RichiH: can we still cut them? |
| 20:39.48 | rosen | thanks |
| 20:39.51 | emfpilot | np |
| 20:39.52 | greycat | behrouz: you probably screwed up the command. |
| 20:40.01 | greycat | oh, and by the way: TAR DOES NOT COMPRESS. |
| 20:40.05 | pablum | what's an athlong? |
| 20:40.06 | nlopez | behrouz: how are you compressing it? |
| 20:40.18 | RichiH | abrotman: sure |
| 20:40.18 | behrouz | greycat: tar doesn't compress? what the hell does it do |
| 20:40.23 | Isumi | Hi, I have a problem with the network. dhclient says that there is no offer. before that it says "Listening on LPF/eth1/<null>", instead of the "Listening on LPF/eth1/00:0f:...." that i get with knoppix for instance. is it linked to my problem ? |
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| 20:40.28 | binarydigit_ | man tar |
| 20:40.29 | greycat | it's the Tape ARchiver. |
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| 20:40.44 | RichiH | abrotman: we just need to replace the chain of a chainsaw with a piece of long paper |
| 20:40.44 | greycat | it writes archives onto tapes. or floppies. or onto plain files on disk. |
| 20:40.54 | binarydigit_ | the gzip part compresses |
| 20:40.54 | useruser | behrouz: hit control-Z and take a look at the target file |
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| 20:41.04 | useruser | behrouz: i wonder if it is 0 bytes long |
| 20:41.07 | greycat | useruser: get him to show us the COMMAND he ran. |
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| 20:41.17 | useruser | greycat: well... that's one way to do iot |
| 20:41.36 | yuacht | how do i make irssi stay connected to the irc server when i close my ssh session where i run it? |
| 20:41.37 | RichiH | behrouz: yah, what command did you use? |
| 20:41.41 | greycat | notice the first thing I said was about the command... |
| 20:41.46 | binarydigit_ | use screen |
| 20:41.46 | greycat | yuacht: use screen. |
| 20:41.50 | binarydigit_ | jinx |
| 20:42.03 | SNow | no, the boot seems to be like this: I push the power on button, the cd is already inserted, it says "hp invent" fresh f10 for ROM Based setup, i press it, i make the boot sequence to cdrom to first, then save ^& exit, then i tells me to select a boot device and there is only hdd to select. |
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| 20:42.06 | ale_ | i have my gnome on terminal 7. I started a new X client in terminal 8 by typing: "X :1". Now, how do i put KDE in that empty X client from terminal 8 ? |
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| 20:42.11 | yuacht | greycat, what command then? |
| 20:42.17 | yuacht | to exit it |
| 20:42.40 | abrotman | RichiH: sounds fun! |
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| 20:42.50 | greycat | yuacht: to detach from screen and leave irssi running in it? Ctrl-a d |
| 20:43.06 | greycat | read the screen docs |
| 20:43.23 | behrouz | RichiH: i used tar -c filename |
| 20:43.24 | yuacht | to retatch then? |
| 20:43.34 | PeterB | yuacht: RTFM. |
| 20:43.37 | greycat | man screen |
| 20:43.41 | SNow | no ideas guys ? |
| 20:43.51 | yuacht | can't you just tell me, i mean it's one command :/ |
| 20:43.59 | pablum | SNow, no support? where did you buy it? go there. |
| 20:44.06 | RichiH | yuacht: even screen --help will tell you |
| 20:44.07 | useruser | ale_: i'd guess something like DISPLAY=:1 startkde although i don't use kde myself so this may be the wrong command |
| 20:44.12 | greycat | yuacht: yes, and that one command is "man screen" |
| 20:44.22 | useruser | yuacht: screen -dr |
| 20:44.27 | ale_ | useruser there is a kdeinit command but it doesnt work |
| 20:44.30 | greycat | useruser: startx startkde -- :1 |
| 20:44.36 | ale_ | i did type export DISPLAY:=1 first |
| 20:44.37 | yuacht | useruser, thanks! |
| 20:44.38 | rbochan | SNow: seen this? http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?locale=en_US&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=449877&prodTypeId=321957&objectID=c00364979 |
| 20:44.41 | useruser | greycat: he already has X running |
| 20:44.42 | pablum | !doesn't work |
| 20:44.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:44.43 | rosen | re: Reinstalling grub. I did an apt-get --purge --reinstall install grub but all it seemed to do is download but not run it (i.e. no msg about writing to the MBR) |
| 20:44.57 | greycat | useruser: with no WM? or what? how does he plan to make them coexist...? |
| 20:45.04 | useruser | greycat: *shrug* |
| 20:45.05 | RichiH | behrouz: try tar -cjf compressedfile.tar.bz2 all the other files |
| 20:45.33 | emfpilot | apt-get --purge install grub |
| 20:45.38 | emfpilot | l8 |
| 20:45.38 | SNow | pablum i bought it through internet and got it by fedex, so not much where to go to |
| 20:45.38 | behrouz | RichiH: doesn't that untar those files |
| 20:46.13 | SNow | yes rbochan i have already seen this, i managed to figure out this thing by my self though |
| 20:46.18 | pablum | SNow, maybe a faq on the hp support pages? |
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| 20:46.37 | greycat | behrouz: man tar |
| 20:46.38 | RichiH | behrouz: that would be tar xjf compresedfile.tar.bz2 |
| 20:46.40 | greycat | c is not extract. |
| 20:46.43 | SNow | The faq does not have this kinda information, I wrote a letter to the HP technical support directly |
| 20:46.46 | SNow | emailed i meant |
| 20:46.48 | rbochan | SNow: the default boot order boots the cdrom before the hard drive, so unles youor cdroms aren't bootable, you got a defective unit |
| 20:46.49 | rosen | apt-get --purge install grub gives a msg that the newest version is already installed |
| 20:47.13 | SNow | shit! |
| 20:47.14 | SNow | ;/ |
| 20:47.16 | SNow | what now? ;/ |
| 20:47.22 | Isumi | rosen : grub-install |
| 20:47.26 | useruser | SNow: wailing and gnashing of teeth |
| 20:47.32 | rbochan | get your money back |
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| 20:48.23 | grigora | does anyone know if linux/cdrom.h also works for DVDROMs, I can't get it to work, so I am wondering whether there is a different set of ioctl-s for DVDs, thanks |
| 20:48.47 | behrouz | are bunzip2 and gzip both lossless? |
| 20:48.49 | pablum | !work |
| 20:48.49 | dpkg | from memory, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 20:48.59 | koollman | behrouz: yes |
| 20:49.16 | cddesjar | !george w bush |
| 20:49.16 | dpkg | [george w bush] Dubya, or a FUCKING MORON who has sought nothing but the destruction of all that was the great country of america all for the personal gain of him self and his rich ass friends! |
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| 20:49.22 | pablum | god I should hope so... |
| 20:49.27 | SNow | I think I am going to go to the store which sells HP here in my country and ask them a favor to install |
| 20:49.33 | rosen | re: grub install: what device should I use as the argument to grub-install |
| 20:49.39 | SNow | You see, The cdrom Can't be defective |
| 20:49.42 | SNow | ! |
| 20:49.48 | rbochan | of course it can |
| 20:49.57 | greycat | if it does not work, then it might be. |
| 20:50.03 | pablum | or the bios... |
| 20:50.12 | rosen | so that I get the same boot by grub before I accidentally ran lilo |
| 20:50.24 | SNow | Why? because when the freedos thing was installed I entered the cdrom and easily did a CD in it, I run debia's bin from there, but it stopped somewhere because of the kernel error somewhere |
| 20:50.40 | ale_ | i did export DISPLAY:=1 |
| 20:50.42 | greycat | SNow: did you BOOT freedos from it? |
| 20:50.43 | Jacobo221 | is eclipse GPLed Âŋ |
| 20:50.45 | ale_ | and did startkde |
| 20:50.47 | ale_ | but i get: |
| 20:50.48 | ale_ | kwin: cannot connect to X server :1 |
| 20:50.49 | ale_ | Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server |
| 20:50.49 | ale_ | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 20:50.50 | greycat | SNow: or did you just install something from the CDROM in windows? |
| 20:50.53 | SNow | the freedos was installed by manufactured |
| 20:50.57 | SNow | but i deleted it :( |
| 20:51.02 | cowbutt | rosen: i believe (hd0,0) is for grub-install to install to your MBR |
| 20:51.04 | SNow | I though that this was a solution to my Q |
| 20:51.09 | SNow | to format C |
| 20:51.09 | ale_ | sorry about that |
| 20:51.11 | SNow | completely |
| 20:51.17 | greycat | SNow: so you have no evidence the BIOS was *ever* capable of booting from that CDROM. Call the vendor. |
| 20:51.23 | cddesjar | bad ale! |
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| 20:51.44 | cddesjar | !punch ale_ |
| 20:52.08 | SNow | so the problem is in BIOS yeah? |
| 20:52.17 | SNow | I can't call the vendor because it doesn't have any entrys in Lithuania |
| 20:52.22 | rbochan | no way for us to tell |
| 20:52.28 | greycat | then HOW DID YOU BUY THIS THING? |
| 20:52.42 | binarydigit_ | haha |
| 20:52.44 | pablum | internet |
| 20:52.45 | SuperFly | what's the best/easiest FTP server for debian? No real users will be using the box, internal admin stuff. |
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| 20:52.51 | SuperFly | i've used proftpd before |
| 20:52.55 | greycat | SuperFly: then fucking do not use FTP. |
| 20:52.57 | ale_ | alright, what else can i say... i have gnome running on terminal 7, and i have an empty X client on terminal 8 waiting for KDE to be started in it :) |
| 20:53.05 | greycat | internal admins can use ssh like real men and women. |
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| 20:53.16 | useruser | ale_: you mean X server, not client I think |
| 20:53.17 | binarydigit_ | women cant use computers |
| 20:53.35 | ale_ | useruser i started it with the X command |
| 20:53.36 | RichiH | SuperFly: ssh is vastly superior to ftp, yes |
| 20:53.45 | greycat | ale_: you're kidding, I hope. |
| 20:53.46 | Jacobo221 | why is Eclipse not in the deb repositories? |
| 20:53.48 | RichiH | SuperFly: else, use vsftpd. always |
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| 20:53.53 | kuja | I have a directory usr/ which I would like to move to / and only overwrite conflicting files. Is this possible? |
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| 20:54.04 | cddesjar | !woof |
| 20:54.04 | useruser | ale_: i'm just saying that X runs a server. clients are things like xterms which try to connect to the server |
| 20:54.06 | Quickimaster | hello, if i want to add a user whit ssh acces i would need to the following: adduser --home /home/cstest cstest ?? |
| 20:54.06 | shakparl | http://shunt.homeunix.net/images/womenprintworddoc.jpg |
| 20:54.16 | jme | nice alias |
| 20:54.19 | greycat | ale_: exit from the useless X display and then run "startx startkde -- :1" at the tty |
| 20:54.27 | jme | using $1 and all that when there's nothing there |
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| 20:54.41 | ale_ | greycat ok will try that |
| 20:54.49 | Quickimaster | if i'm wrong or if i'm right please say it |
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| 20:54.49 | binarydigit_ | shakparl: its true |
| 20:54.50 | Jymmm | anyone have any ideas why dhcp won't grab the dns servers? |
| 20:55.10 | shakparl | http://shunt.homeunix.net/images/women_internet.jpg |
| 20:55.12 | greycat | Quickimaster: man adduser |
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| 20:55.46 | Quickimaster | what i said is what i get if i read that |
| 20:55.53 | greycat | shakparl: that's really not even funny. |
| 20:55.53 | sepski | Jymmm, using resolvconf or not ? if not check your dhcp client. |
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| 20:56.13 | Jymmm | sepski : nfc either way |
| 20:56.47 | ale_ | solemnwarning: Tried to connect to session manager, Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| 20:57.00 | Jymmm | sepski /etc/resolve.conf is xero bytes |
| 20:57.03 | Jymmm | zero |
| 20:57.07 | Jymmm | -e |
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| 20:57.49 | Jymmm | sepski it has an ip address, just no dns |
| 20:57.53 | sepski | Jymmm, check your logs, check your resolvconf configs. check your interfaces file. |
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| 20:58.32 | Jymmm | sepski I compared the resolvconf to someone else; same. which log ro interface file? |
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| 20:59.03 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.09 | sepski | afk |
| 20:59.17 | pablum | what's that text after agrathwohl's exit? |
| 21:00.00 | ale_ | LOL, now i have KDE running inside my gnome lol |
| 21:00.13 | rbochan | you got your gnome in my kde! |
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| 21:00.19 | rbochan | you got your kde in my gnome! |
| 21:00.35 | ale_ | do what? lol |
| 21:01.00 | rbochan | geez.. I thinl I"ve been watching too damn much tv lately |
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| 21:02.11 | ale_ | must have done something wrong |
| 21:02.18 | ale_ | it did start KDE, but in the wrong terminal |
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| 21:04.47 | DoppleGanger | k who made the american leave :) |
| 21:04.53 | cowbutt | anyone have any success getting beagle working on debian? |
| 21:05.05 | shakparl | i'm american and still here :D |
| 21:05.18 | DoppleGanger | but you are not the american |
| 21:05.24 | dk0r_ | I am an American, just got here. |
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| 21:05.34 | DoppleGanger | 17:04 -!- american [~Difidt@S0106000d889789bb.vc.shawcable.net] has left #debian |
| 21:05.36 | d03boy | can someone tell me what command to use with dpkg for finding out how to make the .deb files from source |
| 21:05.59 | rata | shakparl, i am american too, i am from Argentina |
| 21:06.11 | d03boy | dk0r, is shurgs a word? |
| 21:06.21 | shakparl | rata: neat |
| 21:06.22 | dk0r_ | shrugs* |
| 21:06.27 | d03boy | aw, i see |
| 21:06.35 | d03boy | i should've caught that |
| 21:06.46 | rata | shakparl, what ? |
| 21:06.51 | dk0r_ | .... |
| 21:07.23 | fsk_ | so... i am from austria |
| 21:07.24 | pablum | !neat |
| 21:07.25 | dpkg | neat is probably just another word for "Nothing left to lose" |
| 21:07.27 | fsk_ | and i m gone |
| 21:07.31 | fsk_ | cheerio |
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| 21:08.20 | grigora | does anyone know what's needed to use DVD ioctl-s? the ioctl-s in linux/cdrom.h seem to only work for a cdrom. thanks |
| 21:08.25 | dk0r_ | AUSTRIA |
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| 21:09.42 | Jacky^ | hi all |
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| 21:10.20 | Jacky^ | I configured an eth card in dhcp but cant ger reolv.conf wtited: 0 bytes.. |
| 21:10.20 | jake1932 | i set my ip as static and when I restart networking (/etc/init.d/netwroking restart), it pulls the correct static address, but after about a day, the ip adress changes. any way to stop it from changing? |
| 21:10.41 | dk0r_ | uh |
| 21:10.47 | dk0r_ | make sure dhcp is off |
| 21:10.52 | dk0r_ | dont know why that might matter |
| 21:10.54 | dk0r_ | but.. who knows |
| 21:11.04 | Jacky^ | dhcp off ? |
| 21:11.34 | dk0r_ | the changed ip, is it static? or dynamic? |
| 21:11.34 | jake1932 | i think that was for em |
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| 21:11.50 | Jacky^ | resolv.conf is 0 bytes :( |
| 21:11.51 | e-globalos2 | hi ca sb tell me |
| 21:11.52 | e-globalos2 | what are the diferrences and similarities between device drivers and LKMs ? |
| 21:11.56 | dk0r_ | yes jake it was. |
| 21:11.58 | jake1932 | it's static, but need to check to file to see if dhcp is set on |
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| 21:12.15 | dk0r_ | you know what a static ip is? |
| 21:12.21 | jake1932 | hehe - yes |
| 21:12.26 | dk0r_ | ok. |
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| 21:12.35 | dk0r_ | well if your ip is changing from one static |
| 21:12.36 | dk0r_ | to another |
| 21:12.36 | jake1932 | it is pulling the static address when I start networking |
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| 21:12.42 | dk0r_ | i dont think dhcp has anything to do with it |
| 21:12.53 | dk0r_ | but.. who knows. im not an expert |
| 21:12.57 | jake1932 | ai.e. alwayays pulls .45 |
| 21:13.07 | dk0r_ | ? |
| 21:13.09 | dk0r_ | k |
| 21:13.14 | jake1932 | but just ghoes to .39 or .38 after a while |
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| 21:13.23 | Jacky^ | dk0r_: is dhcp-client write resolv.conf ? |
| 21:13.30 | e-globalos2 | hi ca sb tell me |
| 21:13.30 | e-globalos2 | what are the diferrences and similarities between device drivers and LKMs ? |
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| 21:13.53 | dk0r_ | Jacky^: heh... idk :) |
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| 21:14.04 | dk0r_ | Jacky^: whatr u having a problem doing? |
| 21:14.08 | dk0r_ | no internet connection? |
| 21:14.28 | Jacky^ | dk0r_: I get IP address in dhcp but resolv.conf is not being writed |
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| 21:14.47 | dk0r_ | wired network? |
| 21:14.56 | Jacky^ | eth0 is configured and working, but no get resolv.conf |
| 21:15.04 | Jacky^ | yes, wired net |
| 21:15.08 | pablum | e-globalos2, they can be the same, but a kernel module can do anything you want without necessarily having anything to do with a device. |
| 21:15.11 | dk0r_ | well idk what resolv.conf does. |
| 21:15.13 | dk0r_ | explain plz |
| 21:15.36 | dk0r_ | resolves what? |
| 21:15.42 | e-globalos2 | oh thanks |
| 21:15.59 | Jacky^ | can't get dns server ip adress on resolv.conf via dhcp |
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| 21:16.02 | e-globalos2 | so that means that a device driver is a limited module more or less ? |
| 21:16.08 | dk0r_ | try this |
| 21:16.09 | karsten | dk0r_: It's part of the DNS resolver library. It tells you what your nameservers are, and what your domain and/or domain search order is. |
| 21:16.24 | netfrog | dk0r_: resolv.conf is your local resolver configuration |
| 21:16.36 | pablum | it's not really "limited"... |
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| 21:16.52 | e-globalos2 | oh |
| 21:16.55 | e-globalos2 | but? |
| 21:17.02 | dk0r_ | "route default gw x.x.x.x" |
| 21:17.07 | pablum | device driver is a subset of the capabilities that can be programmed into a module |
| 21:17.08 | karsten | e-globalos2: Drivers are code. They can be compiled in (no loadable module) or built as a module. |
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| 21:17.19 | karsten | e-globalos2: Usual usage is driver ~= module. |
| 21:17.22 | jake1932 | dk0r - it says "iface eth0 inet static" |
| 21:17.30 | karsten | e-globalos2: ...but that's not strictly accurate. |
| 21:17.35 | e-globalos2 | lol |
| 21:17.36 | Rockret | hi everyone ! How to start cups client ? |
| 21:17.43 | pablum | those are both compiled. one is bound into the kernel, the other can be loaded or unloaded. |
| 21:17.44 | dk0r_ | Jacky^: let me get you the command |
| 21:17.50 | dk0r_ | jake1932: regarding what? |
| 21:17.53 | karsten | Rockret: Define "client". |
| 21:18.04 | karsten | Rockret: server: /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 21:18.11 | karsten | Rockret: Configuration: http://localhost:631/ |
| 21:18.12 | e-globalos2 | thanks! i just DLed a book and i am very interested.... |
| 21:18.14 | pablum | karsten, I was going to say "type firefox& in a term window" |
| 21:18.26 | karsten | pablum: ;-) |
| 21:18.31 | jake1932 | "iface eth0 inet dhcp" is commented out |
| 21:18.43 | Rockret | karsten, DO i need make install cups server also ? |
| 21:18.53 | karsten | Rockret: ...and for printing, just 'lpr' or print through your app. |
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| 21:19.03 | karsten | Rockret: yes. |
| 21:19.15 | PeterB | Rockret: make install? |
| 21:19.21 | nlopez | Rockret: what are you trying to accomplish? Strictly speaking you don't need a local cupsd, but you usually want one |
| 21:19.28 | jake1932 | anyone else - i set my ip as static and when I restart networking (/etc/init.d/netwroking restart), it pulls the correct static address, but after about a day, the ip adress changes. any way to stop it from changing? |
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| 21:19.48 | karsten | Rockret: Note that cupsys itself may indicate that you're print server is local, a networked device, or another system (eg: SMB/CIFS file/print services). |
| 21:20.03 | karsten | jake1932: Sounds like you've got DHCP running somewhere. |
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| 21:20.12 | Rockret | I have printer HP 5L in other computer with win 98. I have samba working share both computers. I want send printing to other computer with win 98 |
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| 21:20.15 | jake1932 | can only be set in interfaces? |
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| 21:20.24 | karsten | jake1932: LAN or is this your Internet connection? |
| 21:20.28 | jake1932 | LAN |
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| 21:20.37 | karsten | Rockret: Install cupsys. Configure an SMB printer. |
| 21:20.45 | Rockret | ok |
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| 21:20.52 | Rockret | cupsys (server or client ?_ |
| 21:21.05 | EspeonEefi | Does anyone know anything about this 1.3.6-2sarge1 version of libkrb53 that's supposed to be a security update? |
| 21:21.13 | EspeonEefi | I can't find a corresponding DSA. |
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| 21:21.53 | nlopez | Rockret: so yes, you definatly need a local spooler (server) |
| 21:22.03 | Rockret | ok |
| 21:22.05 | Rockret | installing |
| 21:22.07 | Rockret | thanks |
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| 21:24.32 | Rockret | does anyone can send me this file "S99gdm" ? I made one stupid action here .. with " rm -rf S99gdm " |
| 21:24.47 | abrotman | make a new one |
| 21:24.49 | abrotman | man ln |
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| 21:25.13 | pablum | Rockret, it's a symlink to a file in /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:25.21 | ThePiratemaster | how od i get quota to work with reiserfs? |
| 21:25.27 | Rockret | oh ok |
| 21:25.31 | Rockret | thanks |
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| 21:26.07 | Rockret | ln -s /etc/init.d S99gdm is this command ? |
| 21:26.12 | karsten | ThePiratemaster: I'm not sure reiser supports quotas. |
| 21:26.18 | karsten | Rockret: No. |
| 21:26.27 | Rockret | ops |
| 21:26.27 | karsten | Rockret: ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm S99gdm |
| 21:26.29 | pablum | Rockret, no you have to find the gdm script in init.d |
| 21:26.29 | ThePiratemaster | with some modules, but i cannot find them in apt |
| 21:26.39 | Rockret | thank you ! |
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| 21:26.43 | ThePiratemaster | i need a source for apt or a source module |
| 21:26.44 | karsten | ThePiratemaster: There's a reiser homepage, find it and read. |
| 21:27.00 | ThePiratemaster | i'll check it out (agian) |
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| 21:28.00 | pablum | /var/log/cups/... |
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| 21:29.00 | karsten | cups error log: LoadDevices: Backend did not respond within 30 seconds! |
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| 21:29.34 | goron | Some guy posted this on slashdot:Database access is given through the php script, if you fail to double check the content being drawn, ( example: SELECT * FROM user_table, opposed to SELECT * FROM user_table WHERE id=blaat ), this is poor program security. |
| 21:29.40 | pablum | !spank cups backend for not responding |
| 21:30.16 | pablum | dpkg is a girl? I thought it was apt that was a girl. |
| 21:30.19 | goron | It seems he's talking bullsh*t. |
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| 21:31.02 | pablum | goron, yes: using php is poor security. |
| 21:31.29 | goron | pabl0: yes, using php is poor security, but the example doesn't make sense. |
| 21:31.32 | idnar | !girl |
| 21:31.33 | dpkg | girl is probably a young female human. I prefer botesses myself. |
| 21:31.36 | idnar | !gender |
| 21:31.36 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
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| 21:31.43 | goron | pablum: That was for you. |
| 21:31.47 | FarrisG | I have a tool that will only let you print (plot actually) to a file IF you have a plotter installed. But I don't have a plotter. Is there a way to fake the system into thinking I have a plotter installed so that this damn tool will let me plot to a file? |
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| 21:31.53 | idnar | pablum: maybe he/she/it had a sex change |
| 21:32.03 | goron | pablum: It's not so much PHP, it's the people that write the PHP. |
| 21:32.07 | pablum | wait... I thought apt was the lesbian |
| 21:32.12 | nlopez | FarrisG: which stupid tool is that, and how does it check? |
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| 21:32.31 | FarrisG | cadence's layout tool, and I have no idea |
| 21:32.32 | goron | pablum: Do you understand why the one is more secure than the other? |
| 21:32.43 | FarrisG | nlopez: I've asked cadence for help, but have not heard back yet |
| 21:33.14 | pablum | goron, you are passing every id and it's info along in one select... |
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| 21:33.45 | graffit | hello, how can I specify the name of a ppp interface (other than pppn, n depending on order of connection and not host) the way I can define ethernet interface name ? |
| 21:34.07 | goron | pablum: That's just slower, not insecure. |
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| 21:34.27 | FarrisG | Is there some file on the system or some tool I can install to at least tell the OS that I have a plotter installed? Is that separate from lpr/printing? |
| 21:34.35 | nlopez | FarrisG: have you tried setting up a dummy printer? |
| 21:34.39 | abrotman | graffit: use pon/poff i tihnk is what you want |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | graffit: using pppconfig .. you can then say pon blah or pon blah2 |
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| 21:34.54 | FarrisG | nlopez: I have a real printer, no need. |
| 21:34.59 | FarrisG | nlopez: But no plotter |
| 21:35.07 | nlopez | FarrisG: the system knows nothing about "plotters" as being anything magically different than any other print destination. |
| 21:35.19 | FarrisG | nlopez: That's what I thought |
| 21:35.21 | J_P | people, anyone know if exist Dotproject in .deb ? i try find in google and not find nothing... |
| 21:35.30 | nlopez | FarrisG: smells like cadence is doing it's own magic distinct from the system |
| 21:35.36 | graffit | yes, this defines peers in /etc/ppp/peers/ but the interfaces keep being named ppp0, ppp1, ppp2 anyways |
| 21:35.40 | goron | !Dotproject |
| 21:35.41 | EspeonEefi | No one knows about libkrb53 1.3.6-2sarge1 which doesn't seem to have an associated DSA? |
| 21:35.43 | graffit | pain in the ass with routing |
| 21:35.48 | pablum | goron, that depends on what info is stored in user_table, what you mean by secure (a DoS, e.g.), what php does with the information, and what sort of standards you have on leaking information like that. |
| 21:35.52 | OleMoudi | i get "kernel panic: attempting to kill init" during bootime after installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:35.55 | abrotman | graffit: oh .. that i'm not sure .. sorry |
| 21:35.55 | Rockret | damn I dont have Windows Printer Via Samba .. Admin .. Cups |
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| 21:36.09 | empty | OleMoudi, probably initrd issues |
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| 21:36.29 | goron | pablum: By secure I mean that local or remote attackers shouldn't be able to get information they don't have authorisation for. |
| 21:36.55 | OleMoudi | empty i didnt touch anything |
| 21:37.02 | Rockret | how to make option "Windows Printer Via Samba" in http://localhost:631/admin |
| 21:37.20 | Rockret | do not appear that option here |
| 21:37.34 | pablum | goron, you have an extremely narrow definition. |
| 21:37.56 | chealer | EspeonEefi: no one knows nothing. what do you want to know? |
| 21:37.57 | goron | pablum: DOS stuff should be handled on the OS level. |
| 21:37.58 | Rockret | cupsd is running |
| 21:38.06 | nlopez | Rockret: it's in smbclient |
| 21:38.07 | goron | pablum: DOS can never be completely solved. |
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| 21:38.28 | pablum | goron, yes I agree the OS should compensate for shitty fucks that pretend they can program... |
| 21:38.39 | Rockret | confusion ! |
| 21:38.42 | goron | pablum: No, I didn't say that. |
| 21:38.53 | Rockret | i make install cupsys |
| 21:38.56 | Rockret | is running |
| 21:39.03 | EspeonEefi | chealer: What the vulnerability it's supposed to solve is. It seems strange for there to be a security update and not a DSA. |
| 21:39.11 | Rockret | now trying setup printer win 98 via http://localhost:631/admin |
| 21:39.23 | Rockret | sounds that I need setup sonething more |
| 21:39.27 | goron | pablum: Well, then explain me what's more secure? I see two queries fired at the database. One has more results than the other. So what's the point? |
| 21:39.35 | Rockret | samba setup ? |
| 21:39.49 | Rockret | smb.conf ? |
| 21:40.05 | Rockret | samba is running here and I can see folders other computer |
| 21:40.06 | goron | Rockret: Do us a favor, and read the docs. |
| 21:40.11 | Rockret | but printer nope |
| 21:40.22 | Rockret | if you know url please |
| 21:40.27 | goron | samba.org |
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| 21:40.32 | Rockret | ok |
| 21:41.01 | chealer | EspeonEefi: it fixes can-2005-1689, as indicated |
| 21:41.18 | goron | pablum: Well? |
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| 21:44.26 | Rockret | well returning to kurumin distro .. complex debian |
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| 21:44.39 | drac | !lart Rockret |
| 21:45.00 | MasterYoda | what version of alsa is in kernel 2.6.12? |
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| 21:45.16 | rsff | Guys. How do I get Kaffe to work with epiphany. I only need Java in order to see some webpages... |
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| 21:45.48 | pablum | rsff, epiphany-extensions, maybe? |
| 21:45.51 | EspeonEefi | chealer: Hmm...all right. I see. |
| 21:46.05 | hex_ffff | Does anyone have an installer with 2.6.11? |
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| 21:47.00 | hex_ffff | damn 2.6.8 doesn't have enough SATA in it |
| 21:48.07 | Gnea | hex_ffff: just get the .debs from sid |
| 21:48.31 | hex_ffff | ahh ok |
| 21:48.37 | rsff | pablum, on the epiphany-extensions homepage there is nothing about hava. although there are some interesting things on the page. |
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| 21:48.51 | Gnea | hex_ffff: make sure you get the source and roll your own tho |
| 21:49.01 | Gnea | hex_ffff: don't rely on the images since they're sid-specific |
| 21:49.09 | Gnea | you can try it tho |
| 21:49.21 | hex_ffff | sounds like fun! |
| 21:49.27 | Gnea | i do it all the time |
| 21:49.28 | Gnea | :) |
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| 21:49.54 | kadigibox | hello. maybe someone could possibly help me. I have an epson stylus c64 and I installed the gimprint like linuxprinting.org says. I tried test printing and stuff and the heads move and all but no color is printed. I checked "escputil -i -u -r /dev/usb/lp0" and it says I have ink so I ran "escputil -n -u -r /dev/usb/lp0" for nosel check and "escputil -c -u -r /dev/usb/lp0" for head cleaning and still nothing. I am just wondering if i |
| 21:49.54 | kadigibox | t would be the printer or if there is a chance it could be a setting problem |
| 21:50.38 | Gnea | kadigibox: install cups and foomatic, use foomatic-gui to configure and test |
| 21:50.56 | kadigibox | cups is installed |
| 21:51.00 | Gnea | and foomatic? |
| 21:51.01 | kadigibox | and foomatic |
| 21:51.11 | Gnea | did you use foomatic-gui to configure and test? |
| 21:51.35 | Gnea | or did you use localhost:631? |
| 21:52.55 | kadigibox | localhost:631. I dont use foomatic-gui |
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| 21:53.15 | kadigibox | I perfer not to load anything from gnome |
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| 21:53.52 | hex_ffff | Gnea: so I'm bulding d-i from svn? |
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| 21:59.40 | MrKeuner | hi, now that x.org is here how can transparency be enabled on gnome? |
| 21:59.42 | jnk | Hi. Just installed sarge on a good old pentium II 233 MHz, and it keeps rebooting every time it reaches "EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal"... any idea? Could it be a problem with a defective hard drive or IDE controler? |
| 21:59.43 | Daknet | how can I install jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin with debian? |
| 22:00.07 | rbochan | !tell Daknet about java-package |
| 22:00.08 | Ronin | same way you would on any distro Daknet but following the directions where you got the fiel from |
| 22:00.15 | jnk | Daknet, use java-package |
| 22:01.03 | Daknet | how can I use java-package? |
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| 22:02.15 | PandaKun | yo guys |
| 22:02.20 | PandaKun | how do i use alien to install a rpm? |
| 22:02.29 | PandaKun | alien -i ncurses-devel |
| 22:02.30 | rbochan | man alien |
| 22:02.33 | PandaKun | i hate alien |
| 22:02.36 | PandaKun | no i get errors |
| 22:02.41 | jnk | Daknet, install the package (aptitude install java-package), then look at /usr/share/doc/README.Debian |
| 22:02.50 | PandaKun | find: ncurses-devel-5.4: No such file or directory |
| 22:02.50 | goron | pablum: What's the point of saying anything If you don't back it up? |
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| 22:03.15 | PandaKun | dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386) |
| 22:03.15 | PandaKun | dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280 |
| 22:03.15 | PandaKun | make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 |
| 22:03.15 | PandaKun | find: ncurses-devel-5.4: No such file or directory |
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| 22:03.21 | PandaKun | any idea? |
| 22:03.26 | jnk | Dakne1, I mean /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian |
| 22:03.29 | rbochan | man alien |
| 22:03.36 | Dakne1 | sorry, how can I use java-package to install jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin?? |
| 22:03.49 | Dakne1 | ah, ok! |
| 22:03.58 | Dakne1 | I have a look |
| 22:04.05 | drac | PandaKun: You need libncurses5-dev installed. |
| 22:04.18 | PandaKun | ahh |
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| 22:04.38 | PandaKun | libncurses5-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 22:04.55 | jnk | PandaKun, anyway are you sure you can install a i386 binary on an amd64 installation? |
| 22:05.00 | PandaKun | nope |
| 22:05.25 | jnk | you'll probably have to do that in a chroot |
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| 22:07.04 | jnk | Mmm it seems this time my computer just froze on "EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal"... |
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| 22:07.32 | Dakne1 | thanks!! |
| 22:07.45 | jnk | np |
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| 22:08.40 | PandaKun | yo |
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| 22:08.47 | PandaKun | can yuo guys link me to a manual to install mysql on a 64? |
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| 22:09.15 | Elvian_Kicks_Ass | Hello, Ive got a problem installing a xserver on my debian system |
| 22:09.47 | jnk | PandaKun, why don't you just use the amd64 port ? |
| 22:09.51 | Elvian_Kicks_Ass | could anybody help me out? Please? |
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| 22:10.08 | jnk | Elvian_Kicks_Ass, explain |
| 22:10.34 | Blissex | Elvian_Kicks_Ass: please consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 and then ask a better phrased question... |
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| 22:10.46 | PandaKun | i dont know how jnk |
| 22:10.47 | PandaKun | =P |
| 22:10.54 | dsl757 | debian vs archlinux, any thoughts ? |
| 22:11.01 | PandaKun | i'd google it if i knew what it was |
| 22:11.06 | Blissex | dsl757: depends... |
| 22:11.08 | masterbat | Whats a good debian package for pop3? I usually use qpopper on freebsd. |
| 22:11.09 | masterbat | Thanks |
| 22:11.11 | pipeline | dsl757: Yeah. Arch linux sucks. Install a not-shite distribution. |
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| 22:11.43 | Blissex | masterbat: 'qpopper' is OK and is available, and I use it myself. |
| 22:11.47 | jnk | PandaKun, aptitude install mysql-server |
| 22:11.59 | masterbat | Blissex: thanks |
| 22:12.28 | rbochan | masterbat: I've had good luck with popa3d too |
| 22:12.29 | Blissex | masterbat: you can always try 'apt-cache search pop3 | sort -u | less' |
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| 22:12.57 | PandaKun | aptitude? |
| 22:12.59 | eRas3D | winamp(is not running) |
| 22:13.03 | PandaKun | will that install the headers too |
| 22:13.04 | PandaKun | ? |
| 22:13.06 | masterbat | I know. I just wanted to see what someone here would say about it cause I am a freebsd Guy |
| 22:13.14 | jnk | PandaKun, pv |
| 22:13.18 | PandaKun | E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:13.25 | PandaKun | pv? |
| 22:13.32 | PandaKun | sorry for my stupidity |
| 22:13.44 | PandaKun | oh pm |
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| 22:14.19 | eRas3D | i have an onld pc .. verry old .. and i want to install debian on it , the problem is that i can`t the boot on cd work .. i want to setup debian from DOS ... how do i do that ?? |
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| 22:16.32 | mykhi | from dos? its not possible afaik, but you can boot from floppy |
| 22:16.47 | rbochan | eRas3D: there's a /tools directory on the cd, there should be some sort of dosbooting util there, but you're on your own as to using it |
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| 22:17.11 | rbochan | eRas3D: you might also look into the old woody install manual, I believe there was a method there |
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| 22:17.51 | maja | any one know how to find out ones external ip from inside lan ? |
| 22:17.54 | eRas3D | i know that is a method using bf42 .. or something like that |
| 22:18.12 | eRas3D | do you know something about that ? |
| 22:18.16 | rbochan | yup, you could do a base woody install, then dist-upgrade from there |
| 22:19.07 | PandaKun | yo |
| 22:19.13 | PandaKun | what do yu do when u accidently delete ur dkpg library |
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| 22:20.05 | masterbat | whats a good ftpd package? |
| 22:20.22 | pureone | i like pure-ftpd |
| 22:20.31 | pablum | why does everyone keep asking that? sshd is a good one. |
| 22:20.38 | enveezee_ | my nick is haunted by ghosts |
| 22:20.48 | pureone | sshd can be slow for large files |
| 22:20.54 | enveezee_ | this is getting to be silly |
| 22:20.58 | pablum | hmm |
| 22:21.02 | masterbat | Yeah SCP is a pain in the ass sometimes |
| 22:21.15 | shakparl | anyone messed around with sftplogging |
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| 22:21.23 | enveezee_ | nvz: enveezee: you two go away |
| 22:22.14 | PandaKun | =o |
| 22:22.23 | PandaKun | so no one has a lcue what to do when there dpkg was accidently deleted |
| 22:22.23 | PandaKun | ? |
| 22:22.52 | pablum | PandaKun, maybe restore from backups? |
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| 22:23.13 | nvz | so far so good |
| 22:23.28 | nvz | if I ping out when I intentify I am not going to like it |
| 22:23.53 | nvz | it was doing it on the new freenode server too. |
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| 22:25.12 | websys | How do you "undo" an apt-get install? |
| 22:25.26 | nvz | heh, you apt-get remove |
| 22:25.29 | pablum | use apt-get remove |
| 22:26.01 | websys | prob is it updated libc6 to a newer version |
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| 22:26.16 | websys | I want to drop back to the prev. versiob |
| 22:26.28 | rbochan | websys: clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
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| 22:26.56 | pablum | there's rollback support in one of the package widgets, but you have to set it at the beginning, I think. |
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| 22:28.21 | pablum | rbochan, nifty page. |
| 22:28.27 | rbochan | indeed |
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| 22:32.55 | eRas3D | and from a floppy who can a start setup ? what do a i have to put in that floppy ?? |
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| 22:34.30 | enveezee | its showering here |
| 22:34.36 | pablum | hmm. That came out all wrong. |
| 22:34.42 | enveezee | nvz: go away |
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| 22:34.56 | dave_889 | I installing Debian and am at the exim v4 install. I'm not so sure what to go with. I've been googling around and thought I would ask in here. |
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| 22:35.16 | rbochan | local or none(and remove it) |
| 22:35.48 | dave_889 | ? |
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| 22:35.56 | Wyzard | dave_889: local mail only |
| 22:35.59 | rbochan | 5 options, correct? |
| 22:36.13 | Wyzard | rbochan: Don't uninstall it... it's important to have an MTA installed |
| 22:36.14 | rbochan | use either local, or use none(and remove exim afterwards) |
| 22:36.23 | pablum | but then you can't send w/out a smart host somewhere... |
| 22:36.28 | dave_889 | I'm not sure I have only used outlook and web mail |
| 22:36.37 | pablum | outlook? |
| 22:36.38 | dave_889 | smtp |
| 22:36.43 | rbochan | JoeSixPacl has no need for an mta |
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| 22:37.10 | dave_889 | I'll just leave it out for now |
| 22:37.35 | alex6z | my hacker account is open again, login to ssh://admin@12.223.170.28/ and be abusive to test it out ( make sure it is secure) for me |
| 22:37.42 | Wyzard | rbochan: Some system programs will send mail to root |
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| 22:37.50 | Wyzard | dave_889: Choose "local mail only" |
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| 22:38.21 | dave_889 | I think I already set the domain name to vc.shawcable.net under local domain and i don't think I wanted that |
| 22:38.42 | dave_889 | 'm a idot |
| 22:38.43 | Wyzard | dave_889: That's OK, you can run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" later to go through those questions again |
| 22:38.49 | enveezee | dpkg, test |
| 22:38.49 | dpkg | Sorry, enveezee, I didn't get your test. |
| 22:38.53 | Wyzard | dave_889: Use "localhost.localdomain" next time |
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| 22:39.18 | ignacio_ | holas |
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| 22:39.42 | dave_889 | so thats a default |
| 22:40.02 | dave_889 | Debian installer already asked me for my host name |
| 22:40.16 | dave_889 | I gave it something other them localhost |
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| 22:40.24 | alex6z | my hacker account is open again, login to ssh://admin@12.223.170.28/ and be abusive to test it out ( make sure it is secure) for memy hacker account is open again, login to ssh://admin@12.223.170.28/ and be abusive to test it out ( make sure it is secure) for me |
| 22:40.28 | Wyzard | dave_889: The hostname is something different |
| 22:40.31 | olemoudi | hi, fresh sarge install here. I'm trying to migrate from 2.4.27 to 2.6.11. I apt-get kernel-image and after rebooting I get "kerne panic: not syncing. attemptint to kill init", I googled and tried some solutions but without luck |
| 22:40.37 | Wyzard | dave_889: You can set that to whatever you want |
| 22:41.06 | drac | olemoudi: 2.6.11 from where? Sarge has up to 2.6.8. |
| 22:41.07 | dave_889 | ok and then localhost.localdomain with still function as a default |
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| 22:41.14 | dondelelcaro | alex6z: pleasea don't spam for that sort of thing here. |
| 22:41.21 | olemoudi | oh, well I meant testing |
| 22:41.23 | rbochan | alex6z: this is #debian, not #leet-h4x0rz |
| 22:41.40 | masterbat | When I try to send mail to a local user using "Mail" it fails and i get this: 1DtYpd-00035W-3I unknown lookup type "localhost.localdomain" in my logs |
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| 22:41.48 | masterbat | What did I do wrong? |
| 22:41.50 | Wyzard | dave_889: "localhost" is the name for the 127.0.0.1 address, which means "self" on any computer regardless of its "real" hostname or IP address |
| 22:42.03 | drac | olemoudi: Fresh Debian Etch install then :) |
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| 22:42.14 | olemoudi | drac, yes |
| 22:42.40 | dave_889 | ok, thanks I will understand it more when I tweak the file |
| 22:42.46 | MasterYoda | what version of alsa is in kernel 2.6.12? |
| 22:43.11 | olemoudi | maybe it is related to sata drive |
| 22:43.13 | drac | MasterYoda: #alsa might know, or kernels ChangeLog. |
| 22:43.21 | Wyzard | dave_889: Unless you're setting up an Internet mailserver or something, you shouldn't need to adjust the Exim configuration manually, aside from those debconf questions |
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| 22:43.33 | MasterYoda | so I just got dmix working on a co-worker's machine, and then we noticed that from also 1.0.9 and on dmix will be enabled by default if the soundcard does not support hardware mixing |
| 22:43.43 | moya_ | what can I use to get a pdf from a dvi ? |
| 22:43.45 | resiak | Bah, there's some clever way to pick up your user's new group membership and I can't remember what it is. (_Other_ than logout, login) |
| 22:43.50 | Wyzard | moya_: dvipdf |
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| 22:43.59 | MasterYoda | so now all of use are bumpin' to our tunes, and making noise with gaim dmixing it up, it's great! |
| 22:44.02 | MasterYoda | dmix rules! |
| 22:44.05 | MasterYoda | debian rocks! |
| 22:44.06 | Wyzard | moya_: It's in one of the tetex packages |
| 22:44.07 | MasterYoda | alsa owns! |
| 22:44.14 | MasterYoda | im leaving! |
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| 22:45.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:45.39 | snikker | hi |
| 22:45.49 | rbochan | I'll give him an A for enthusiasm |
| 22:45.55 | dontpanic | Hello all, I am tring to get a list of packages avalable for apt-get, would that be update? |
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| 22:46.38 | Wyzard | dontpanic: Yes, "apt-get update" downloads the current list of available packages |
| 22:46.47 | rbochan | dontpanic: try man apt-get |
| 22:46.55 | rbochan | dontpanic : clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 22:47.16 | dontpanic | thank you |
| 22:47.27 | rbochan | it's not too hard once you get the hang of things |
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| 22:47.44 | ignacio_ | alguin me dice el canal debian |
| 22:47.48 | rbochan | !es |
| 22:47.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 22:48.36 | ignacio_ | #ubuntu |
| 22:49.09 | dontpanic | I tried doing it last night, but I was not sure were the list ended up, I will have a look at the manual |
| 22:49.12 | masterbat | donde esta tu zapatos? |
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| 22:49.24 | masterbat | en tu kulo |
| 22:49.27 | masterbat | todo dias |
| 22:49.31 | dondelelcaro | masterbat: #debian-es |
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| 22:49.38 | masterbat | Just kidding man |
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| 22:49.49 | dave_889 | I have no XF86Config-4 in /etc after the installation |
| 22:49.53 | Wyzard | dontpanic: The list is used internally by apt... if you want to search for things, use "apt-cache search" or browse packages.debian.org |
| 22:50.07 | rbochan | dave_889: because it lives in /etc/X11 |
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| 22:50.38 | dontpanic | exclant, thank you |
| 22:50.45 | prock | soooo... I stumbled across 4gigs of ram and threw it into my server. My BIOS finds the ram just fine, but 'cat /proc/meminfo' says there's only 3.5-ish gigs of ram. Do I need to recompile with a larger blocksize? |
| 22:51.02 | dave_889 | Thats not there either |
| 22:51.14 | ix | "stumbled across"? |
| 22:51.16 | rbochan | then you didn't install that xserver |
| 22:51.18 | Wyzard | dave_889: Do you have X installed? |
| 22:51.26 | dave_889 | guess the installation bailed out on me after my third cancel |
| 22:51.46 | ix | prock: did you recompile your kernel with support for high memory? |
| 22:51.49 | Wyzard | dave_889: Well, Debian doesn't install X by default, unless you choose a "task" that includes it |
| 22:51.50 | ix | (4GB+) |
| 22:52.12 | dave_889 | ok so I messed up the install |
| 22:52.32 | Wyzard | dave_889: Your installation isn't "messed up" just because X isn't installed |
| 22:52.36 | prock | ix: it's easy to trip over that much ram. and I'm using a stock 2.6.8 686 smp kernel... I didn't think I'd have to recompile with 'only' 4gigs |
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| 22:52.54 | dave_889 | I was at the exim v4 and had cancel the third time. Then it says there you go budy your all set |
| 22:53.11 | Ja1 | does anybody know why hackers install "kik" "httpd" and "uselib24" on my well maintained woody box. What is it for ? |
| 22:53.18 | dave_889 | I didn't finnish anything |
| 22:53.26 | Wyzard | prock: 4GB happens to be the addressing limit of a 32-bit processor, so a different memory mapping is needed if you have more physical RAM than that |
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| 22:53.32 | jonI | did you swedish it? |
| 22:53.54 | Wyzard | dave_889: dunno about that, then... it might just have been the last step in the configuration |
| 22:53.56 | eXa_bOy | Wyzard wow i didnt know that |
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| 22:54.22 | prock | Wyzard: I have 4GB and am running Xeons (which I thought was 64bit |
| 22:54.31 | Wyzard | prock: No, Xeons are not 64-bit |
| 22:54.40 | dave_889 | but I didn't even finnish configuring it. I told it to cancel |
| 22:54.57 | prock | Wyzard: but I'm using 4GB... so why would I need to recompile? |
| 22:55.00 | ix | prock: I would also like to trip over that amount. Where do I do so? |
| 22:55.00 | dave_889 | I guess I'll try to install it again |
| 22:55.22 | ix | hmm... |
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| 22:56.14 | prock | are there stock kernels that are compiled with support for high memory? |
| 22:56.46 | ix | prock: why wouldn't you compile your own kernel? |
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| 22:57.04 | prock | ix: this server will be production... I'd rather just use stock if I can |
| 22:57.09 | eXa_bOy | ix some people dont know how to compile their own kernal |
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| 22:57.19 | simonrvn | @kernal |
| 22:57.20 | ravenbird | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 22:57.20 | cosmo__ | look what I used to fuck over my gentoo machhine: rm -rfv / /home/cosmo/junk |
| 22:57.21 | rabies | hi |
| 22:57.26 | rbochan | isn't there a 'large memory' kernel image? |
| 22:57.27 | rabies | do any hardware raid controllers for IDE have good linux support? |
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| 22:57.32 | rbochan | or was that a RH thing? |
| 22:57.35 | prock | eXa_bOy: not the case here TYVM |
| 22:57.36 | Wyzard | eXa_bOy: I know someone who was experimenting with catting various things (some 50MB wave file, and /dev/hda2) to /dev/dsp to test whether sound was working, and accidentally catted the wave file to /dev/hda1 |
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| 22:57.41 | deadcat | its a rh thnig |
| 22:57.47 | rbochan | ok |
| 22:57.59 | rbochan | Wyzard: that's so brutal it's beautiful |
| 22:58.00 | cosmo__ | any etherboot users in here? |
| 22:58.09 | eXa_bOy | rofl |
| 22:58.11 | deadcat | cosmo__: no |
| 22:58.16 | tzafrir_laptop | Tring to help somone install sarge on a dell ppoweredge with a PREC4ei (scsi raid) controller. |
| 22:58.25 | cosmo__ | I need to know if "cat boot.zimage > /dev/hda1" will make it boot off of hda1 |
| 22:58.26 | eXa_bOy | what is tyvm |
| 22:58.36 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: no idea |
| 22:58.42 | simonrvn | thank you very much |
| 22:58.44 | tzafrir_laptop | The installe can't get passed it. Any idea if it is supported in the defalt kernels? |
| 22:58.47 | eXa_bOy | thank you very much |
| 22:58.48 | eXa_bOy | got it |
| 22:58.53 | eXa_bOy | ta |
| 22:58.54 | rbochan | d'oh |
| 22:58.56 | deadcat | tzafrir_laptop: try linux26? |
| 22:58.57 | Wyzard | cosmo__: no |
| 22:59.08 | rabies | whats a model of a sata raid controller? |
| 22:59.11 | rbochan | !abuse rbochan |
| 22:59.12 | rabies | for linux |
| 22:59.13 | dpkg | rbochan: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 22:59.14 | Wyzard | cosmo__: That'll probably damage your filesystem, in fact |
| 22:59.18 | eXa_bOy | deadcat you know greycat? |
| 22:59.21 | prock | my favourite wipe was when I was dual booting and I changed /etc/fstab to mount the root filesystem of the other OS as /tmp... I then rebooted and it 'cleaned up /tmp' |
| 22:59.26 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: ya. i know him |
| 22:59.26 | ix | prock: apparently you have to compile support for 1-4GB RAM. |
| 22:59.33 | eXa_bOy | are you him? |
| 22:59.39 | rbochan | prock: that's harsh |
| 22:59.42 | eXa_bOy | lol in desguise :P |
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| 22:59.46 | prock | ix: okies I'll give it a try thanks :) |
| 22:59.55 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: does dead look like grey to you? |
| 22:59.57 | ix | no problem (: |
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| 23:00.10 | tzafrir_laptop | deadcat, it is actually the default |
| 23:00.24 | deadcat | tzafrir_laptop: default is 24 kernel. try the 26 see whats up |
| 23:00.57 | masterbat | I think I found a prob with the way the the exim4 config program works |
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| 23:01.31 | Starfury^ | where do i set the ntp server i want my debian box to use for time sync? |
| 23:01.40 | Starfury^ | please |
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| 23:02.05 | nlopez | Starfury^: it asks you when you install ntp-simple |
| 23:02.20 | aktinos | Starfury^: /etc/default/ntpdate I think |
| 23:02.22 | danny | hello can anyone help me out |
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| 23:02.32 | Starfury^ | i may already have ntp on here.. how can i check its current |
| 23:02.38 | danny | I just installed debian and I cannot get my mouse to work |
| 23:02.38 | shakparl | what's the package name for rdp |
| 23:02.40 | Starfury^ | aktinos: that a binarty? |
| 23:02.41 | eXa_bOy | whats the problem danny |
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| 23:02.55 | danny | I did apt-get install gpm |
| 23:03.02 | masterbat | If you reconfigure exim4 using the "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and add hostnames it uses a ; instead of : to seperate them and basicly breaks exim4 |
| 23:03.09 | danny | because my friend told me to do that but it doesnt work |
| 23:03.26 | deadcat | danny: your friend doesnt know what he/she is talking about. |
| 23:03.31 | Chris`` | hey can anyone help me.. i need to find any hidden neostats.cfg files.. or anythin like that .. because neostats is loading some neostats.cfg from somewhere and it aint the one in the neostats folder |
| 23:03.37 | Teufel | what is the email server called ? Like if I have a domain name purchased and have DNS all set up and junk... how do I set up email on my debian box? |
| 23:03.39 | aktinos | Starfury^: no |
| 23:03.43 | danny | I just have a generic dell PS/2 mouse and I want it to work :( |
| 23:03.50 | tzafrir_laptop | masterbat, reportbug exim4-config |
| 23:03.55 | dave_889 | ok so smtp is local mail |
| 23:03.56 | deadcat | Teufel: default is exim |
| 23:04.05 | danny | lol I have everything set up even my geforce drivers but no mouse |
| 23:04.09 | ufoalien | hoi Teufel wie gahts? |
| 23:04.19 | dave_889 | I wish peoplel would toss me a line when they see my ignorance |
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| 23:04.34 | Teufel | ufoalien: nothing much heh... |
| 23:04.36 | deadcat | !slap dave_889 |
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| 23:04.46 | Starfury^ | apt: udev# |
| 23:04.48 | Starfury^ | apt: udev |
| 23:04.48 | apt | udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit |
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| 23:04.59 | Teufel | deadcat: so exim is just like a mail server or something to handle email? |
| 23:05.13 | prock | do the stock kernels come with their .config files? |
| 23:05.17 | eXa_bOy | man exim |
| 23:05.18 | deadcat | Teufel: exim IS a mail server. you just need to config the mofo |
| 23:05.26 | sun_ | hi when i boot up my laptop and there's no ethernet then exim takes a long time during the bootup. i think its timing out waiting for something from the internet, how do i stop it from doing this? |
| 23:05.31 | deadcat | prock: ya /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 23:05.43 | prock | deadcat: thank you much |
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| 23:05.52 | danny | so can anyone help me set up my generic PS/2 mouse pleeease |
| 23:06.02 | danny | :( |
| 23:06.11 | deadcat | danny: modprobe mousedev |
| 23:06.13 | Teufel | deadcat: hmm ok Ill look arounda little , thanks |
| 23:06.18 | Chris`` | can any1 tell me a command if i want to search for "neosats.cfg" on the whole computer |
| 23:06.22 | me_here | danny: poory boy, who cut your mouse in two :) |
| 23:06.36 | deadcat | Chris``: man find |
| 23:07.00 | danny | it says it doesnt know what modprobe is |
| 23:07.09 | deadcat | danny: root or sudo |
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| 23:07.10 | Chris`` | Ta :| |
| 23:07.13 | eXa_bOy | Chris`` : locate neosats.cfg |
| 23:07.27 | danny | I just got on the account that debian made me make besides the root when I installed |
| 23:07.29 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: wont work unless you update the database |
| 23:07.39 | deadcat | danny: so su - |
| 23:07.46 | deadcat | or setup sudo |
| 23:07.59 | Chris`` | thanks eXa_bOy .. no results tho :p |
| 23:08.22 | deadcat | Chris``: find / -type f -name "neosats.cfg" 2> /dev/null |
| 23:08.43 | rabies | which is better, fakeraid or software raid? |
| 23:09.00 | deadcat | rabies: fake? you meanhardware? |
| 23:09.10 | rabies | deadcat: as in hardware raid thats really somewhat software |
| 23:09.22 | deadcat | rabies: of course hardware. |
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| 23:09.24 | masterbat | reported bug |
| 23:09.25 | danny | okay I got sudo admin and did "modprobe mousedev" and nothing happened |
| 23:09.27 | Teufel | deadcat: do you happen to have a good link to help with setting up exim4? |
| 23:09.32 | rabies | deadcat: well yeah, obviously |
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| 23:09.36 | rabies | deadcat: not thwat i asked though |
| 23:09.40 | deadcat | danny: now reconfig your X |
| 23:09.46 | rabies | rabies: i cant afford hardware raid atm |
| 23:09.52 | danny | with xf86config ? |
| 23:10.00 | drac | !drxx danny |
| 23:10.01 | dpkg | danny: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:10.04 | deadcat | danny: is that what you using? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:10.09 | drac | danny: never ever ever ever use xf86config |
| 23:10.18 | danny | damn sorry yo im noob |
| 23:10.22 | rabies | deadcat: i cant afford hardware raid atm |
| 23:10.39 | deadcat | drac: can you check my nvidia x config file to see what i dont need and need to get glxgears faster? |
| 23:10.50 | masterbat | Teufel: i am doing the same thing right now: http://blogs.papercutsoftware.com/matt.doran/page/2/ http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about48168.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/07/msg00189.html |
| 23:10.56 | drac | deadcat: heh, sure. |
| 23:10.57 | masterbat | Those are the pages that I have open |
| 23:10.59 | danny | can i reconfigure X with sudo? |
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| 23:11.01 | deadcat | drac: sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:11.02 | concept10 | I have an external USB hard drive, can I just power it off without unmounting it? Is that safe? |
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| 23:11.13 | nlopez | concept10: no |
| 23:11.25 | Teufel | masterbat: thanks, I'll look into those |
| 23:11.28 | rabies | deadcat: like Sil3114, i guess its a hardware chip w/ software on it or something, or maybe it doesnt have a dedicated processor |
| 23:11.33 | rabies | deadcat: something like that |
| 23:11.57 | Teufel | what is the difference between a POP email and SMTP? |
| 23:12.09 | rabies | Teufel: pop is recieving, SMTP is sending |
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| 23:12.18 | shakparl | SMTP can receive too :) |
| 23:12.23 | Teufel | rabies: ah |
| 23:12.27 | rabies | shakparl: sure, but no one uses it that way :) |
| 23:12.27 | shakparl | SMTP is an MTA or Mail Transfer Agent |
| 23:12.30 | danny | can i reconfigure X with sudo? |
| 23:12.37 | shakparl | it's responsible for delivering and receiving mail |
| 23:12.38 | deadcat | danny: yes. if you have sudo |
| 23:13.28 | rabies | Shadur: SMTP is a protocol... |
| 23:13.36 | rabies | Shadur: simple mail transport protocol... |
| 23:13.38 | rabies | oops |
| 23:13.40 | rabies | thats for shakparl |
| 23:13.42 | shakparl | true true my bad |
| 23:13.44 | deadcat | drac: check the module and the twinview section thanks |
| 23:13.51 | shakparl | MTAs like sendmail use SMTP |
| 23:13.56 | shakparl | excuse the blonde moment |
| 23:13.59 | rabies | shakparl: yes, they do, for sending mail... |
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| 23:14.28 | shakparl | POP is for storing mail for MUA or Mail User Agents to connect to and get mail that an SMTP server delivered |
| 23:14.59 | danny | okay it says: xserver-xfree86 is not installed and there is no info |
| 23:15.05 | concept10 | nlopez, what is the best way? |
| 23:15.13 | concept10 | :) |
| 23:15.13 | deadcat | danny: you using xorg? |
| 23:15.24 | danny | what's xorg? |
| 23:15.30 | drac | deadcat: http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/deadcat.conf, opened it up and commented stuff out and written some "explanations" there. |
| 23:15.31 | deadcat | danny: oh dear |
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| 23:15.41 | deadcat | drac: thanks (= |
| 23:16.01 | danny | haha im sorry u can make fun of me as much as u want I just want to learn |
| 23:16.27 | deadcat | danny: you using debian right? you SHOULD be able to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:16.36 | rbochan | danny: you should peruse this then... http://whttp://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ww.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 23:16.38 | rbochan | oops |
| 23:16.41 | rbochan | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 23:16.42 | concept10 | Whats the safest best way to unmount the USB external? the thundersorm just unmounted it for me? |
| 23:17.14 | drac | deadcat: I'm not very good with NVidia propietary driver options.. :p |
| 23:17.14 | danny | sigh |
| 23:17.18 | danny | ill be back I guess |
| 23:17.24 | drac | deadcat: specially not with nvidia twinview |
| 23:17.26 | deadcat | drac: very good help. thanks. (= |
| 23:17.32 | rbochan | danny: you should read the Debian refernce as well |
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| 23:20.18 | nlopez | concept10: unmount it first |
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| 23:20.32 | behrouz | r there any visual(instead of command line) ftp servers in sarge, |
| 23:20.49 | nlopez | behrouz: It's a server, I would think not |
| 23:21.15 | concept10 | behrouz, what do you mean? |
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| 23:22.30 | behrouz | i installed proftpd, but u need the shell to use it, its not visual |
| 23:22.58 | Crell | Greetings. I'm having an apt(itude) problem. When I run "apt-get install konq-plugins", apt-get tells me it's about to remove that package. aptitude, with the same command, gives an error "I wasn't able to locate file for the konq-plugins package." Of course anything else I try to upgrade or install is similarly jammed, since any jammed package jams all of them. Any idea how to unjam it? |
| 23:23.24 | concept10 | behrouz, what are you trying to do, view files via ftp? |
| 23:23.48 | aktinos | behrouz: you could use webmin-proftpd |
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| 23:24.57 | cion | hey is there a way to add extra repository with synaptic? |
| 23:25.03 | behrouz | aktinos: webmin-proftpd, is it a ftp server |
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| 23:25.19 | SDFH_Linux | is firefox 1.0.5 on the repos yet? |
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| 23:26.18 | aktinos | behrouz: it's a webmin module to admin proftpd from a web browser |
| 23:26.39 | sun_ | hi anyone know why exim accesses the internet during debian bootup |
| 23:26.42 | shakparl | how do i setup a remote windows printer in debian |
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| 23:27.51 | rbochan | sun_: if you set up a FQDN, it might be trying to resolve it |
| 23:28.10 | deadcat | drac: you have anymore screenshots of you workspace? |
| 23:28.13 | chmeee | with the debian installer, is there an option I can pass for fixing atapi? |
| 23:28.21 | sun_ | rbochan what is a FQDN?? |
| 23:28.26 | deadcat | chmeee: press F1 or F2 at boot |
| 23:28.28 | Crell | Fully Qualified Domain Name |
| 23:28.46 | chmeee | deadcat: did that, didn't see anything about atapi |
| 23:29.01 | chmeee | my problem is that the installer won't load the cdrom |
| 23:29.17 | chmeee | even though it's booting from it |
| 23:29.31 | deadcat | chmeee: time for a floppy netinstall (= |
| 23:29.45 | deadcat | chmeee: or a fuckedup cd |
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| 23:29.52 | chmeee | this is the second cd I've burned |
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| 23:30.17 | chmeee | I know the drive may be flaky, but the installer boots, and knoppix boots and runs on it |
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| 23:30.35 | deadcat | chmeee: then its definately the cd |
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| 23:30.47 | chmeee | hmm |
| 23:31.16 | jason_ | can anyone tell me about enabling php4 in apache2? |
| 23:31.26 | behrouz | tryin to use proftpd in standalone mode but i get the following errors: Failed bining to 0.0.0.0, prot 21: Address already in use , check the servertype directive to ensure youare configured correctly |
| 23:31.29 | deadcat | jason_: check the apache config file. |
| 23:31.53 | jason_ | deadcat, and what am i looking for? something to just remove the # sign? |
| 23:32.21 | deadcat | jason_: search for php |
| 23:32.29 | jason_ | deadcat, okay |
| 23:34.07 | SEBest | hello, i've a stupid question about apt: |
| 23:34.09 | SEBest | Why did he ask me "are you root?" instead of checking if i am or not? |
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| 23:34.18 | rbochan | shakparl: google for cups+samba |
| 23:34.25 | floppyears | jason_: you need to Add a handler for php |
| 23:34.36 | behrouz | are there any ftp sites where i could upload a 780 meg file for free |
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| 23:36.47 | jason_ | floppyears, okay...is it Addhandler applications/x-httpd-php.php.phtml |
| 23:36.54 | jason_ | ? |
| 23:37.11 | floppyears | jason_: yes |
| 23:37.26 | floppyears | jason_: also AddHandler php-script php |
| 23:37.28 | chmeee | yay, freebsd is actually writing to the floppy properly |
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| 23:37.47 | jason_ | where in my config file should i add it? |
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| 23:38.43 | floppyears | jason_: there is a secion where it says # To use CGI scripts outside /cgi-bin/: |
| 23:38.53 | floppyears | jason_: below those comments |
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| 23:39.52 | jason_ | floppyeras, is php an example of a cgi script? |
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| 23:40.06 | jason_ | floppyears, is php an example of a cgi script? |
| 23:40.34 | eXa_bOy | php is a scripting language. |
| 23:40.39 | floppyears | jason_: php comes from perl and perl can be used for cgi scripts |
| 23:41.09 | eXa_bOy | you can run php as a script if you like, its much the same. |
| 23:41.13 | jason_ | if perl is so flexible, why do people even use php? |
| 23:41.14 | floppyears | jason_: also put a "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml |
| 23:41.30 | nlopez | jason_: because perl scares people, and for good reason |
| 23:41.52 | nlopez | jason_: and PHP is designed for web pages where perl isn't as good a fit |
| 23:41.59 | Crell | jason_: Because Perl is a giant hack of a text-munging language. PHP is a web-optimized language with a more saner syntax. </language flame> |
| 23:42.24 | jason_ | floppyears: why isnt this information, which is so vital, in the apache or php website??trust me, i looked for like an hour! |
| 23:42.28 | floppyears | jason_: php is more of a specific for generating dynamic webpages, and because of this it has functions that make it very easy to generate web forms |
| 23:42.30 | Crell | s/saner/sane/ |
| 23:42.34 | eXa_bOy | php is shit, but hard to find a better alternative. |
| 23:42.46 | dondelelcaro | take the language elsewhere |
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| 23:42.51 | felesh | hi |
| 23:42.59 | eXa_bOy | howdy |
| 23:43.02 | jason_ | eXa_boy, why do u hate php? are you a perl fan then? |
| 23:43.04 | dondelelcaro | s/langague/language war/ |
| 23:43.07 | Crell | jason_: You're trying to enable PHP in Apache? It should just be two lines to uncomment in the apache config file. |
| 23:43.13 | floppyears | jason_: I don't know, but some of it, I think was commented off |
| 23:43.19 | felesh | since i installed gstreamer-* i cant see nothing in totem, why? someone has the same problem? |
| 23:43.28 | floppyears | jason_: also don't forget to restart apache after you change your config file |
| 23:43.37 | jason_ | Crell, i am using apache2..does that make a difference? |
| 23:43.40 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing to uncomment. Install php4; restart apache; php files work. |
| 23:43.43 | Crell | Why it's not enabled by default I'm not sure, but for me it's always been just uncommenting 2 lines and bouncing the server. |
| 23:43.45 | eXa_bOy | jason im a microsoft boy. ive been using php for about 7 years now and to me it doesnt cut it |
| 23:43.50 | Crell | jason_: Shouldn't. |
| 23:44.12 | floppyears | felesh: look in debina.org/Bugs |
| 23:44.25 | floppyears | felesh: it should be debian.org/Bugs |
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| 23:44.34 | jason_ | yep...found them! |
| 23:44.43 | jason_ | Crell, you were right |
| 23:44.44 | felesh | flok420, do you you know this error? |
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| 23:45.02 | jason_ | and deadcat, u were right too |
| 23:45.03 | eXa_bOy | google it :P |
| 23:45.26 | jason_ | eXa-boy, then what does cut it for you?? |
| 23:45.37 | rbochan | frontpage :P |
| 23:45.45 | Crell | jason_: I knew they were in there somewhere. :-) Just uncomment those lines, save the file, and restart apache. That's worked for me in 95% of all cases. |
| 23:45.56 | Crell | On rare occasions it doesn't, and in those I've never, ever figured out why. :-) |
| 23:46.11 | jason_ | Crell, i cant believe i missed it! i was looking in apache.org and php.org for like an hour dude! |
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| 23:46.34 | Crell | haha! Neither of those will tell you, because it's a distro-specific issue most likely. |
| 23:46.48 | eXa_bOy | hehe we wrote our own scripting language built around the java dom. |
| 23:46.50 | Crell | The default config file you get is put together by the Debian folks, not the Apache folks. (At least AFAIK.) |
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| 23:47.14 | sandman | What's the best way to bootstrap gnutella & G2 @ mldonkey? I can't find a peer list anywhere for those networks |
| 23:47.19 | jason_ | eXa_boy, arent u afraid of hackerz, since u use microsoft? |
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| 23:48.16 | eXa_bOy | i use php mostly at the moment :) |
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| 23:48.27 | eXa_bOy | nevevr had a problem with any hackers |
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| 23:48.48 | eXa_bOy | if you program smart, then it shouldnt matter the platform |
| 23:49.21 | Crell | Only if the platform is programmed smartly. |
| 23:49.32 | eXa_bOy | LOL |
| 23:49.33 | chmeee | deadcat: well, netboot didn't work... just made my screen flash |
| 23:49.36 | eXa_bOy | true that |
| 23:49.58 | Crell | hm. OK, when I aptitude show a package, it comes back as one version. When I try to install it, it tries to install an older version. g'what? |
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| 23:51.47 | deadcat | chmeee: time for a diff distro? (= |
| 23:52.01 | chmeee | deadcat: nah, booted to cd, then pulled out my brother's USB cdrom drive |
| 23:52.04 | chmeee | it worked like a charm |
| 23:52.16 | deadcat | chmeee: there we go |
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| 23:52.49 | PandaKun | anybody know how to install mysql on a debian 64 |
| 23:53.01 | nlopez | PandaKun: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 23:53.03 | eXa_bOy | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 23:54.03 | eXa_bOy | did that help PandaKun |
| 23:54.04 | eXa_bOy | ? |
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| 23:54.49 | eXa_bOy | ive just done a fresh install of debian, whats the cmd to update everything? apt-get update and ... |
| 23:54.54 | megatronx | hey i need a hand running a compiled kernel. I keep getting modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.9/modules.dep: No such file or directory. |
| 23:55.23 | Crell | eXa_bOy: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:55.36 | Crell | Or apt-get dist-upgrade if you want it to be less cautious. |
| 23:55.44 | megatronx | any help would be grateful |
| 23:55.49 | felesh | i have a problem |
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| 23:56.02 | floppyears | eXa_bOy: use aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 23:56.03 | felesh | someone have problems with totem? i cant see nothing in the screen of totem |
| 23:56.15 | floppyears | eXa_bOy: they keep logs for you and are recommended over apt-get |
| 23:56.28 | felesh | i can hearn the films perfectly but i can get to see nothing |
| 23:56.46 | eXa_bOy | thanks mate |
| 23:56.48 | nlopez | felesh: totem-gstreamer (probably the default) can't cope with DIVX |
| 23:56.51 | daesotho | yea totem is weird |
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| 23:57.32 | nlopez | felesh: apt-get install totem-xine and try again |
| 23:57.54 | felesh | ok nlopez |
| 23:58.00 | daesotho | xine crashed janette's shiny hp laptop |
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| 23:58.13 | daesotho | i was showing off knoppix to her but it crashed |
| 23:58.18 | eXa_bOy | i lost my server last nigth cause somehow my swap disapeared :( |
| 23:58.20 | felesh | nlopez, thanks, now work :) |
| 23:58.39 | daesotho | knoppix is awesome though. i used it for a year before installing real debian |
| 23:58.40 | daesotho | hehe |
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| 23:58.43 | eXa_bOy | i then made a boo boo and : mkswap -v1 /dev/hda1 |
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| 23:58.50 | daesotho | uh-oh |
| 23:59.03 | daesotho | you know what the say |
| 23:59.09 | daesotho | never pedit after midnight |
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| 23:59.18 | jshoenberger | Alright, I've got a script, that calls another script... and I need information from that child script. How can I pass it back to the parent process? |
| 23:59.26 | daesotho | (thats how i crashed my oldworld mac btw) |
| 23:59.28 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 23:59.29 | Smoked1 | After installing apache on debian what should I do? Do just asign a user to the www-data group and then upload everything to /var/www? |
| 23:59.46 | Crell | Smoked1: It depends what you're trying to do with it. |
| 23:59.58 | Crell | If you want each user to have their own web space, then that's what public_html is for. |
