| 00:00.01 | nlopez | Smoked1: no, give your user/group of choice write access to /var/www |
| 00:00.04 | eXa_bOy | good question Smoked1 |
| 00:00.33 | Smoked1 | I see |
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| 00:00.47 | daesotho | i just have a lot of symlinks in /var/www to the files i want to share |
| 00:00.50 | jason_ | THANX FOR EVEYONE'S HELP |
| 00:00.50 | Crell | nlopez: How do you do that other than putting said user into the group that owns /var/www? |
| 00:01.05 | nlopez | Crell: change the permissions on /var/www |
| 00:01.29 | eXa_bOy | to what? (im taking notes, gotta do this in about 5 mintues) |
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| 00:01.43 | Smoked1 | i think to any user you like |
| 00:02.00 | Smoked1 | but should only be used for /var/www? |
| 00:02.30 | nlopez | Smoked1: eh? |
| 00:02.30 | Crell | nlopez: The user that apache runs as needs to own that directory, I think. |
| 00:03.15 | eXa_bOy | what if you want each user to have ftp access to that dir but also want the www-data user to be able to write to all in var/www |
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| 00:03.15 | Crell | If you're using SELinux then you can use ACLs, but in the standard kernel you just have groups. |
| 00:03.15 | dogayonv | can anyone tell me where my .deb files go after I install them? are they stored in a directory someplace? |
| 00:03.16 | nite613 | How do I switch from APM to ACPI? Both seem to be supported on my machine (Dell Inspiron 2600), apm seems to load automatically (probably due to ksystem guard), but trying to load acpi modules gives: init_module: No such device |
| 00:03.16 | nlopez | dogayonv: nowhere |
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| 00:03.23 | Crell | dogayonv: /var/cache/apt/ |
| 00:03.28 | dogayonv | ok then is there a way I can make a deb package with something that is installed in my system/ |
| 00:03.42 | dogayonv | thanks Crell |
| 00:03.42 | nite613 | I'm looking to get battery status, I don't really care whether it's apm or acpi, I just need a working battery monitor |
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| 00:04.20 | daesotho | acpi crashed my computer until i moved the module out of /lib/modules |
| 00:04.28 | eXa_bOy | should the www-data user own the var/www dir? |
| 00:04.35 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: no |
| 00:04.40 | Crell | Why not, nlopez? |
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| 00:05.06 | nlopez | Crell: because the web user has no need to change anything. |
| 00:05.06 | nite613 | daesotho: Well luckily I'm not having that problem ;) I've read that if apmd and acpid run at the same time it can cause crashes |
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| 00:05.34 | eXa_bOy | it does if your using php to make directories and create files etc/ |
| 00:05.41 | Smoked1 | nlopez: what about things like java script WYSIWYG |
| 00:05.41 | Crell | nlopez: Only if you're serving all static files. If you're doing anything with dynamic apps, then very often they do. |
| 00:05.48 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: and if you are you need to be castrated |
| 00:05.57 | aravind | hi, My package status shows a install and keep in dselect, but when I run dselect install, it tells me its going to remove the package. Where should I look to fix this? |
| 00:05.57 | nlopez | Smoked1: what about them? |
| 00:06.00 | eXa_bOy | excuse me? |
| 00:06.18 | Smoked1 | nlopez: they upload images and stuff |
| 00:06.24 | empty | WTH is PIVOT_ROOT FAILS on a bootup? |
| 00:06.28 | CasaNova_ | I installed kernel 2.6.11 but when I try to upgrade my VMware it tells me kernel was configured with gcc3.3.6 and I have 3.3.5. I dont see 3.3.6 as a candidate to install (deb testing) |
| 00:06.51 | nlopez | Smoked1: then you can give www-data data directories for that, but by and large it shouldn't have write access to much of anything |
| 00:06.55 | eXa_bOy | ive written a tool to upload a .zip and it unpacks the zip into a dir... that needs www-data user to have write. |
| 00:06.59 | nite613 | empty: Sounds like the initrd loads but then it can't access the real root partition |
| 00:07.15 | empty | weird |
| 00:07.22 | Smoked1 | thats true. Most of te time those directories are chmoded |
| 00:07.24 | empty | nite613, thank you |
| 00:07.32 | nite613 | hope it helps :P |
| 00:07.35 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: to /a/ dir, not /var/www or any directory with data you don't want defaced in it |
| 00:07.44 | Crell | empty: Does your kernel have the right file system and HDD driver compiled in directly, or as a module? |
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| 00:07.54 | Crell | Whatever it needs to access the root partition must be compiled in directly. |
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| 00:08.13 | nite613 | ACPI anyone? APM loads, but ACPI won't I do have dmesg lines showing that ACPI support is there though. I'm gettin init_module: No such device |
| 00:08.26 | eXa_bOy | the dir that it needs access to is in /var/www/dev/something/ |
| 00:08.26 | Crell | nite613: I've never used a laptop, sorry. :-) |
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| 00:08.40 | nite613 | me neither until yesterday. I |
| 00:08.43 | Smoked1 | aXa_b0y: you could just chmod that directory |
| 00:08.47 | nite613 | ''m still in the process of getting everything working |
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| 00:08.54 | eXa_bOy | yeah i might try that. |
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| 00:09.34 | eXa_bOy | it justmeans that ill have to do that for all the directories that contain the websites im writing this tool for. |
| 00:09.45 | liable | nite613: can you modprobe the modules? |
| 00:09.46 | CasaNova_ | How do I get gcc 3.3.6 installed, I'm runnign testing and apparently 2.6.11 kernel was compiled with it but I have 3.3.5? |
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| 00:09.53 | Smoked1 | eXab0y: be careful |
| 00:10.05 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: all the temp directories for extracting stuff, yes. |
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| 00:10.17 | nite613 | liable: I "can", but I get an error: acpi/battery.o: init_module: No such device |
| 00:10.39 | eXa_bOy | i have code that only alows .htm, .gif and .jpg to be extracted into thost dirs :) |
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| 00:10.42 | sun_ | hi anyone know a good substitute for xv that has good keyboard navigation |
| 00:10.53 | liable | nite613: do the other modules load? |
| 00:10.57 | nite613 | no |
| 00:10.58 | Smoked1 | nlopez: thanks for your help. |
| 00:10.59 | nite613 | none of them |
| 00:11.43 | Smoked1 | eXa_b0y: anything can be given a .htm extension |
| 00:11.57 | Smoked1 | even a shell script |
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| 00:12.26 | jshoenberger | Scripters? Any bash scripters here? |
| 00:12.50 | eXa_bOy | yeah but it wont execute if i dont allow execute on that dir |
| 00:12.53 | sun_ | hi anyone know a good substitute for xv that has good keyboard navigation |
| 00:13.02 | eXa_bOy | and apatche will just spit it out as text |
| 00:13.19 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: what's the purpose of uploading zip files anyway? |
| 00:13.28 | karsten_ | sun_: Not particularly. |
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| 00:13.36 | Smoked1 | just password protect the script and you should be kewl |
| 00:13.43 | karsten_ | sun_: xv sorta rocked in that regard. gimp, imagemagick, and a few other photo viewers are out there. |
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| 00:14.05 | liable | nite613: so you get that error, no matter what module you load? |
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| 00:14.58 | nite613 | liable: No idea? I'm on a Dell inspiron 2600 and trying to get a battery monitor. The apm tools always tell me I'm on AC when I'm not; and I cna't get ACPI to load even though dmesg shows it in the bios |
| 00:14.59 | eXa_bOy | basically its a tool im trialing for a few clients. they need a way to upload html newsletters and do mail blasts to the ir customers. so what i though it to get them to zip the htm and images up and then upload it. the php then moves it into the appropriate dirs and the newsletters can be sent. |
| 00:15.06 | nite613 | liable: any of the acpi modules, yes |
| 00:15.13 | chmeee | question about booting the debian testing CD: it wants to load /install/2.6/linux but the file is /install/2.6/vmlinuz. Is there a way to repoint it at the boot prompt? |
| 00:15.19 | aurax | anyone knows a good dedicated hosting comapny that accept paypal payments ? |
| 00:15.27 | nite613 | oooh, just found this in dmesg: ACPI: Interpreter disabled. |
| 00:15.34 | nite613 | that could be part of the problem? |
| 00:15.35 | jason_ | php STILL does not work, even after commenting out those two lines |
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| 00:16.06 | dave_889 | is there a command that will give me the same result as scanpci |
| 00:16.07 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: so a complicated mailinglist? |
| 00:16.16 | liable | nite613: can you disable apm in bios? |
| 00:16.17 | dave_889 | other then lspci |
| 00:16.56 | nite613 | liable: Maybe |
| 00:16.56 | eXa_bOy | nlopez, its just a dump from a mysql db |
| 00:16.56 | dave_889 | I need scanpci it gives me a different reading usaully |
| 00:16.56 | nite613 | BBS |
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| 00:17.08 | dave_889 | the right bus id |
| 00:17.14 | danny | hello can anyone tell me what to do to completely remove X from my machine? |
| 00:17.35 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: why not use it directly out of the DB? |
| 00:17.35 | eXa_bOy | apt-get remove x |
| 00:17.43 | eXa_bOy | what you mean nlopez? |
| 00:17.54 | danny | cool thx |
| 00:18.02 | resiak | eXa_bOy: Please don't give wrong advice. That's a really evil thing to do. |
| 00:18.10 | nlopez | eXa_bOy: why are you making a dump from mysql instead of just using the DB? |
| 00:18.15 | eXa_bOy | because each newsletter is different, they are html so they might have say from 2-20 images associated. |
| 00:18.26 | eXa_bOy | i am useing the db. |
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| 00:18.58 | danny | X is not a package |
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| 00:19.12 | resiak | danny: Yeah, eXa_bOy was a moron. |
| 00:19.12 | danny | what is the package I remove to get ride of X |
| 00:19.13 | eXa_bOy | im using the db to get the users, then building the email content from the html uploaded. |
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| 00:19.24 | eXa_bOy | resiak fuckup idoit |
| 00:19.35 | resiak | !remove x |
| 00:19.35 | dpkg | i guess remove xf4 is apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
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| 00:19.41 | rbochan | eXa_bOy: watch yourself |
| 00:19.52 | resiak | eXa_bOy: Dude, you gave danny wrong advice for no readily apparent reason. That counts as moronicism |
| 00:19.57 | dave_889 | haha X -scanpci |
| 00:19.57 | eXa_bOy | why? |
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| 00:20.03 | rbochan | because you're being an asshole |
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| 00:21.35 | eXa_bOy | wtf. all i said was to try apt-get remove. how was i to know it wasnt a fucking package/ |
| 00:21.35 | karsten | OT: any stats freaks here? |
| 00:21.35 | nite613 | liable: the bios was useless, no mention of power management at all |
| 00:21.35 | resiak | eXa_bOy: Don't tell people to do stuff if you don't know it's _right_ you fool. |
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| 00:21.35 | eXa_bOy | LOL |
| 00:21.36 | liable | nite613: really? thats gay. |
| 00:21.36 | rbochan | and then you abuse onoe of the most prolific helpers on this channel |
| 00:21.36 | danny | logout |
| 00:21.36 | resiak | danny: Did you see what dpkg said, yes? |
| 00:21.36 | eXa_bOy | tell the guys last nigth that, i lost my debian box cause of a typo :P |
| 00:21.36 | danny | yea thanks |
| 00:21.40 | resiak | danny: Unless you've got X.org on your b... oh well. |
| 00:21.47 | rbochan | he doesn't |
| 00:21.59 | resiak | Cool. |
| 00:22.13 | dave_889 | what, it doesn't work |
| 00:22.19 | dave_889 | X -scanpci |
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| 00:22.28 | nite613 | liable: Totally. :( Oh well. It's friday night, I'm going out to drink beer, will get back at this ACPI crap later :( |
| 00:22.31 | dave_889 | and theres no X man page |
| 00:22.41 | rbochan | dave_889: you can get more info from lspci by adding -v to it, and -vv |
| 00:22.45 | liable | nite613: good plan :) |
| 00:22.54 | dave_889 | ok |
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| 00:23.23 | eXa_bOy | whats the latest version of debian |
| 00:23.23 | liable | nite613: have you vivited toxmobil? check it out if you havent. |
| 00:23.24 | dave_889 | sweat |
| 00:23.28 | eXa_bOy | woody still? |
| 00:23.31 | dave_889 | I needed that |
| 00:23.39 | liable | nite613: tuxmobil I mean. |
| 00:23.55 | resiak | eXa_bOy: Sarge. Hence the topic. |
| 00:24.12 | eXa_bOy | interesting |
| 00:24.36 | nite613 | thanks for your assistance liable |
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| 00:26.33 | mihaly | For some wierd reason my Xfree86 server runs as root :/ |
| 00:26.33 | eXa_bOy | anyone know a good php channel? |
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| 00:26.33 | mihaly | I did a "standard" apt-get installation and I am using kdm |
| 00:26.33 | gabEMO | hello :D |
| 00:26.37 | danny_ | what is the command to delete a folder? |
| 00:26.37 | nlopez | mihaly: everyone's does, so it can have rights to fondle the hardware |
| 00:26.40 | danny_ | like deltree |
| 00:26.51 | ldexter | rm -rf |
| 00:26.51 | rbochan | danny_: man rm |
| 00:26.59 | eXa_bOy | rm /directory |
| 00:27.00 | mihaly | nlopez: oh okej |
| 00:28.47 | danny_ | cd .. |
| 00:28.47 | danny_ | oops lol |
| 00:28.47 | eXa_bOy | rbochan you see what ldexter whote? |
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| 00:29.58 | eXa_bOy | man im running woody and im going an apt-get update.... 97 packages to install ... its only 14%... its going to be a long day... |
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| 00:29.58 | WiFiTux | dpkg, lol is also http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 00:29.58 | dpkg | WiFiTux: okay |
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| 00:30.53 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 00:31.27 | omni|mad | hey guys, I've been trying to get my dual-monitor setup working and had little success. Right now it boots one screen (the trident microsystems one) at 800x600 (which isnt even an option in the config) relevent config info is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6KqaS666.html thanks for the help |
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| 00:32.33 | eXa_bOy | ftp.au.debian.org is a slow mofo |
| 00:32.34 | systemofadown | how can ksysoops for logging |
| 00:32.39 | systemofadown | *frpm |
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| 00:34.44 | fabricio_angra | hi everyone |
| 00:34.47 | eXa_bOy | how would i password secure a directory that has access from the web? |
| 00:34.51 | bush | anybody here have a centrino, and if so, what are you using to control frequency? |
| 00:34.58 | bush | eXa_bOy: .htaccess |
| 00:35.29 | WiFiTux | bush: yes... |
| 00:35.43 | WiFiTux | eXa_bOy: you need a .htaccess and .htpass or something |
| 00:35.43 | fabricio_angra | I am from Brazil, my friends |
| 00:35.47 | lin_ | I was wondering if anybody could tell me why I have drives that show up in Gnome, but not in KDE, Afterstep, etc? |
| 00:35.55 | bush | eXa_bOy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/htaccess.html |
| 00:35.57 | eXa_bOy | thank you |
| 00:36.06 | eXa_bOy | legend! even beter |
| 00:36.15 | bush | WiFiTux: what are you using to control frequency scaling? |
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| 00:36.30 | eXa_bOy | they got firefix for linux yeT? |
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| 00:36.34 | eXa_bOy | *fox |
| 00:36.38 | WiFiTux | bush: cpufreqd |
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| 00:36.57 | WiFiTux | bush: works perfectly |
| 00:36.58 | bush | eXa_bOy: firefox has always been available for linux |
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| 00:37.17 | eXa_bOy | kk i didnt know as i dont use linux as desktop |
| 00:37.17 | bush | WiFiTux: i tried cpudyn, but it doesnt work on my system |
| 00:37.21 | outlaw84 | how do you check system time when i console mode? |
| 00:37.21 | dave_889 | Ok so I have the PCI Bridge how do I get the BusID. The only way I know how is with scanpci or X -scanpci and there a no go. |
| 00:37.27 | fabricio_angra | I am used Debian Sarge |
| 00:37.45 | WiFiTux | bush: cpufreqd works perfectly. |
| 00:37.55 | bush | thanks, ill give it a shot |
| 00:37.57 | fabricio_angra | Help for this Adobe Reader install |
| 00:38.12 | WiFiTux | bush: in case, abonilla@linuxwireless.org |
| 00:38.20 | liable | fabricio_angra: there is a brasilian channel if you are interested #debian-br |
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| 00:38.25 | eXa_bOy | anyone know a good php channel? |
| 00:38.31 | bush | eXa_bOy: ##php |
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| 00:38.40 | outlaw84 | eXa_bOy: /list php |
| 00:38.47 | systemofadown | ##php |
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| 00:39.30 | outlaw84 | bush: are you clocking down a laptop for batteri time? |
| 00:39.34 | PandaKun | yo |
| 00:39.36 | PandaKun | u know how to fix Please install Linuxthreads |
| 00:39.36 | PandaKun | (or a new glibc) and try again. |
| 00:39.38 | WiFiTux | outlaw84: yes |
| 00:39.41 | bush | yes outlaw84 |
| 00:40.03 | PandaKun | trying to compile mysql |
| 00:40.13 | WiFiTux | bush: I can get like 5 hours in 8cell battery and 3 hours in 4 or 6 cell battery, also take a look at laptop-mode |
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| 00:40.24 | bush | thanks |
| 00:40.41 | outlaw84 | bush: then once cpufreqd starts clocking down make SURE it acctually does clock down the cpu not just how much cpu the kernel has access to |
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| 00:40.57 | outlaw84 | bush: and also that a max clock is set.... |
| 00:41.08 | bush | this is my first time messing with frequency scaling |
| 00:41.50 | PandaKun | dodod |
| 00:42.06 | outlaw84 | bush: I clocked down my laptop to 300Mhz so everyting was really slow... but it still consumed as much power and still got as warm |
| 00:42.38 | WiFiTux | outlaw84: cause the warm is the HD, not the CPU, check acpi -V |
| 00:42.38 | bush | i think my old kernel was running my cpu at 600mhz for the last few months - and i didnt even notice |
| 00:42.38 | PandaKun | i need to install linuxthread |
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| 00:42.57 | WiFiTux | bush: 600mhz is default, gnome 10 lets me use 300mhz |
| 00:43.16 | WiFiTux | outlaw84: actually hddtemp |
| 00:43.33 | outlaw84 | bush: and at another time while I was recovering my lost wep-key :) it locked it up to 5Ghz (its a 2,8Ghz) and the computer emergency shutdown and the filesystem got fucked |
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| 00:43.43 | bush | ouch |
| 00:44.25 | outlaw84 | WiFiTux: no its not... I know my laptop trust me on this ;) besides i use yacpi |
| 00:44.38 | aurax | anyone knows a good dedicated hosting comapny that accept paypal payments ? |
| 00:45.09 | Guerin | aurax: i doubt there's any such thing, since paypal is the payment pemachnism of choice for ebaytards and practically nobody else. |
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| 00:45.34 | Guerin | s/pemachnism/mechanism/ |
| 00:46.01 | aurax | dedicatednow.com accepts paypal |
| 00:46.12 | aurax | want to know if there others good companies that accepts it too |
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| 00:49.01 | linuxpark | how about reference this link ? http://www.paypal.com/ |
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| 00:49.25 | dave_889 | Is it normal to not have scanpci ??? |
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| 00:49.45 | dave_889 | or X -scanpci ??? |
| 00:49.55 | yath | How can I re-use a kpkg directory to make a slightly modified kernel package without recompiling everything? |
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| 00:57.32 | eXa_bOy | wow its got quiet in here all of a sudden |
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| 00:57.41 | eXa_bOy | anyone here using cvs? |
| 00:57.50 | eXa_bOy | cvs server i mean |
| 00:57.56 | koollman | I have used it |
| 00:58.38 | linuxpark | yes i am using cvs |
| 00:58.43 | eXa_bOy | what occupation are you guys in here? nerdy students? or professionals? |
| 00:59.14 | linuxpark | not students.. |
| 00:59.25 | koollman | I'm a student |
| 00:59.26 | eXa_bOy | im about to setup my cvsserver in a moment once apt-get finishes hogging my bandwidth |
| 00:59.26 | linuxpark | i used it for work |
| 00:59.38 | koollman | probably nerdy |
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| 00:59.44 | jd|laptop | a cvs server over ssh is very easy to set up |
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| 01:00.00 | eXa_bOy | if your in here your a nerd |
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| 01:00.39 | eXa_bOy | everyone here agnostic? |
| 01:00.42 | Pryon | s/ur/u're/ |
| 01:01.01 | Pryon | should have been /g actually |
| 01:01.14 | Pryon | Not a nerd, BTW |
| 01:01.16 | WiFiTux | someone has an IBM here with dual monitor working? |
| 01:01.28 | eXa_bOy | funny that majority of it guys i know are agnostic. |
| 01:01.42 | linuxpark | i have known that cvs with ssh is default |
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| 01:02.31 | beardy | WiFiTux: "an IBM" is quite wide isn't it? |
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| 01:02.48 | WiFiTux | beardy: T42 |
| 01:03.00 | WiFiTux | beardy: but something is something. |
| 01:03.27 | deadcat | WiFiTux: dual meaning using the vga output? |
| 01:03.39 | WiFiTux | deadcat: s-video :) |
| 01:03.56 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ah. so you want dual or clone? |
| 01:04.11 | WiFiTux | deadcat: clone. |
| 01:04.16 | WiFiTux | the easier. |
| 01:04.41 | deadcat | WiFiTux: try the option "MergedFB" "true" option see if it works. works here for me on my ibook |
| 01:06.33 | WiFiTux | deadcat: I have no idea about anything with clone mode. |
| 01:06.50 | WiFiTux | deadcat: not even done a change. How do I tell xorg to do it anywya? |
| 01:06.59 | deadcat | WiFiTux: heres my xorg.conf but i am using ati video card: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/sysbackup.pandora/hourly/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 01:07.10 | PandaKun | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 01:07.10 | PandaKun | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:07.10 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.14 | WiFiTux | deadcat: me too 7500 |
| 01:07.25 | deadcat | WiFiTux: good (= use that heheh |
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| 01:08.02 | deadcat | WiFiTux: all you need is comment out UseDBDev and uncomment: #Option "MergedFB" "true" # dualhead/clone |
| 01:08.40 | WiFiTux | deadcat: restartx and that will do the trick, Or I need anything else? |
| 01:08.50 | deadcat | WiFiTux: just restart x |
| 01:09.05 | linuxpark | anyone here knowing aesop project ? |
| 01:09.12 | WiFiTux | deadcat: and add Option "UseFBDev" "true" # OS-specific FB dev |
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| 01:09.34 | deadcat | WiFiTux: no. dont use UseFBDev, use MergedFB |
| 01:09.43 | Guerin | PandaKun: out the whole message up. That doesn't say what caused the broken pipe. |
| 01:09.52 | Guerin | PandaKun: put it on a httpd, not in here. |
| 01:11.15 | WiFiTux | deadcat: my XF86Config-4 is pretty lame. |
| 01:11.36 | Guerin | not 1337 enuf 4 j00? |
| 01:12.17 | WiFiTux | btw, XF86Config is still the same file? I mean, xorg and xfree use the same file? |
| 01:12.44 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ya. everything the same except the keyboard option from xfree86 to xorg but still works. i just symlink it myself |
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| 01:13.12 | deadcat | WiFiTux: do you have radeon loaded? lsmod and check if you can load radeon, change ati to radeon |
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| 01:13.28 | WiFiTux | deadcat: symlink? I see. radeon is there, and 3d is up. |
| 01:13.29 | PandaKun | huh |
| 01:13.34 | PandaKun | guerin |
| 01:13.36 | PandaKun | can i pm it for yuo |
| 01:13.36 | PandaKun | ? |
| 01:13.40 | PandaKun | *to you |
| 01:13.51 | PandaKun | ah not a debian archive |
| 01:13.53 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i have xorg.conf, i ln -s xorg.conf XF86Config-4 (= |
| 01:14.11 | WiFiTux | deadcat: yeah, I think xorg does that |
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| 01:14.31 | PandaKun | dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386) |
| 01:14.31 | PandaKun | dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280 |
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| 01:14.38 | PandaKun | i dled a difff archive |
| 01:14.44 | olemoudi | I'm trying to mount a /dev/hdx and there is no one in /dev, only the /dev/sda where I installed the system, I checked with modconf and the IDE hd support is enabled |
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| 01:15.46 | punkrockguy318 | Is it safe to apt-get upgrade my system from another OS on another partition using chroot? |
| 01:15.50 | apokryphos | Hi, does anyone know how to turn autocompletion of packagenames on for apt? |
| 01:15.53 | liable | nah, xorg.config is a seperate file for me. |
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| 01:16.04 | WiFiTux | deadcat: do I need to create another monitor? |
| 01:16.07 | nibbledumb | is it normal to have mouse problems after a dist upgrade? |
| 01:16.09 | deadcat | apokryphos: . /etc/bash_completion |
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| 01:16.44 | deadcat | liable: ya. i just symlink it to xfree because i will switch to xorg soon, once i figure why it hang me when i reboot/shutdown with xorg |
| 01:16.47 | liable | punkrockguy318: yeah |
| 01:17.08 | liable | deadcat: oh, thought you meant xorg symlinked it at install :) |
| 01:17.08 | deadcat | WiFiTux: nah. just one mon is ok. test it out first then add more stuff to it |
| 01:17.16 | punkrockguy318 | liable, alright.. I know it's not safe to upgrade arch, because some install scripts use uname -r.. and using a different kernal fscks stuff up |
| 01:17.20 | Nigel_ | anyway on getting TVOUT on a ATI Raedon working? |
| 01:17.30 | apokryphos | deadcat: cool! What do I do with it? :) |
| 01:17.34 | WiFiTux | deadcat: i see |
| 01:17.36 | Nigel_ | the X Config is set to "ati" |
| 01:17.39 | WiFiTux | Nigel_: I'm on it now. |
| 01:17.40 | deadcat | liable: nah. i did it. xorg copy xfree and change xfree86 to xorg in the keyboard section |
| 01:17.52 | liable | deadcat: yup. |
| 01:18.03 | Nigel_ | WiFiTux on TVout? |
| 01:18.05 | deadcat | AnObfuscator: ya. use the MergedFB option in the Driver section |
| 01:18.10 | WiFiTux | Nigel_: S-Video? |
| 01:18.11 | deadcat | Nigel_: ^^ |
| 01:18.30 | Nigel_ | deadcat i'll run down and try that now |
| 01:19.04 | liable | hmm, I might ave a go at that while i'm at it, even though I never use it.. |
| 01:19.05 | WiFiTux | deadcat: then do the md5 thing right? |
| 01:19.06 | eXa_bOy | bush your a legend mate |
| 01:19.08 | eXa_bOy | :) |
| 01:19.23 | deadcat | Nigel_: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/sysbackup.pandora/hourly/etc/X11/xorg.conf i use ati video card and vga out. just comment the UseFBDev line and uncomment MergedFB |
| 01:19.32 | deadcat | WiFiTux: fuck the md5 thing. |
| 01:19.37 | WiFiTux | deadcat: sure. |
| 01:19.47 | WiFiTux | I just want to make sure it will work just like that. |
| 01:19.54 | WiFiTux | brb |
| 01:19.58 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 01:20.10 | deadcat | WiFiTux: once you edit the file by hand theres no need to use dpkg-reconfigure xxx anymore |
| 01:20.21 | WiFiTux | k |
| 01:20.38 | Nigel_ | deadcat ok, thanks |
| 01:20.42 | Nigel_ | i'm checking it now |
| 01:20.42 | apokryphos | deadcat: this seems to be autocompletion for bash commands; does it really work for packagenames? (though still don't quite know what to do with it) |
| 01:21.20 | deadcat | apokryphos: do it. works for me |
| 01:21.41 | deadcat | apokryphos: apt-get ins<tab> xserver-xo<tab> |
| 01:21.44 | Nigel_ | i wish debian used init better |
| 01:21.44 | rking | i'd like to do my home network with a thin client (or two) instead of using PC's - do i have any interesting options? |
| 01:22.01 | rking | Nigel_: what does it not do? |
| 01:22.04 | deadcat | Nigel_: it does. you are just more familiar with other distro thats all |
| 01:22.16 | Nigel_ | init 1, and init 2, |
| 01:22.23 | Nigel_ | i'd love an offline mode |
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| 01:22.46 | rking | Nigel_: that's basic /etc/inittab stuff |
| 01:22.50 | Nigel_ | deadcat yeah true, mandrake and red hat messes with ya brain |
| 01:23.10 | apokryphos | deadcat: aha! Takes a little time, but it does work indeed, thank you. :) |
| 01:23.40 | deadcat | Nigel_: they like init 3 init 5 shits. |
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| 01:23.49 | deadcat | apokryphos: your machine is slow (= |
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| 01:24.10 | nibbledumb | could someone give me a bit of help with my mouse in X11? |
| 01:24.13 | floppyears | hi |
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| 01:24.22 | apokryphos | deadcat: ok, probably not, but my next one will be ;-) |
| 01:24.32 | nibbledumb | it has some pretty weird symptoms :( |
| 01:24.33 | floppyears | if I want to have ssl in apache which path is best |
| 01:24.42 | floppyears | apache-ssl or mod_ssl ? |
| 01:25.00 | deadcat | apokryphos: mines are 800mhz x86 and ppc only (= |
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| 01:25.24 | apokryphos | deadcat: how can I enable this permanently? Don't really want to do . /etc/bash_completion everytime.. |
| 01:25.36 | deadcat | apokryphos: put that in .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 01:25.45 | eXa_bOy | why does debian put www in /var and freebsd put it in /usr/local |
| 01:25.53 | deadcat | apokryphos: .bashrc would be better |
| 01:25.53 | apokryphos | deadcat: Dual processor AMD64 3400+ |
| 01:25.59 | olemoudi | how I tell my sata-installed debian testing I just plugged in a hd on the secondary ide? I rebooted but there is no /dev/hdc to mount |
| 01:26.06 | apokryphos | deadcat: hm, I need root perms to run it though |
| 01:26.11 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: ask the people who package the thing |
| 01:26.16 | nibbledumb | it's a laptop, and when i first startx with no USB mouse plugged in, it says that it can not initialize a core pointer :( if i try again, it finds the touch pad mouse, and i can use it just fine |
| 01:26.24 | deadcat | apokryphos: hahaha. damn. too fast |
| 01:26.27 | punkrockguy318 | Is there any way to bypass the md5sum checks in apt upgrades? |
| 01:26.40 | apokryphos | deadcat: ....is what my new comp will be :P. Month or so, can't wait. |
| 01:26.49 | deadcat | punkrockguy318: ya. man apt-get search for unauthorized |
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| 01:27.02 | deadcat | apokryphos: but not the current machine then hahahah |
| 01:27.23 | rking | olemoudi: sata counts as scsi or something... try /dev/sda or sdb or something |
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| 01:27.28 | rking | or something. |
| 01:27.31 | apokryphos | deadcat: currently just running a mortalish Athlon 2600+ |
| 01:27.46 | deadcat | apokryphos: dont kow what that is. no clue about amd shits |
| 01:27.48 | apokryphos | still, it's not exactly slow, and we have had it for some time... |
| 01:28.21 | apokryphos | deadcat: well, AMD64 3400+ is fast -- or rather, FAST. Letter lone dual :P |
| 01:28.33 | liable | boohoo dont work. |
| 01:28.39 | olemoudi | rking, I my problem is I installed testing on a sata and everything is ok, but now I plugged an additional ide hd and I cant mount it because there is no /dev/hdx to mount |
| 01:28.52 | apokryphos | deadcat: anyhow, I'm off for now. Really appreciate the help, thanks. |
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| 01:29.39 | solemnwarning | debian keeps aborting any print jobs i send to my smb server |
| 01:30.06 | solemnwarning | hp_smb-1 (stdin) root 209k aborted |
| 01:30.19 | rking | olemoudi: so you already have /dev/sda in use, and only have one other drive, an ide one? i'd think it would go to /dev/hda or hdb, have you tried those? |
| 01:30.26 | solemnwarning | no matter what i do debian aborts all jobs i try to print over smb |
| 01:30.29 | solemnwarning | im using cups btw |
| 01:30.48 | rking | solemnwarning: there's got to be a log file somewhere that says what's going on. |
| 01:31.21 | olemoudi | yes rking , but there is no /dev/hda or b or c... |
| 01:31.38 | olemoudi | only /sda |
| 01:32.00 | rking | olemoudi: does lspci show anything interesting? (like not mentioning your IDE drive) |
| 01:32.44 | olemoudi | lspci does not seem to display anything about a IDE drive |
| 01:32.44 | solemnwarning | ive checked logs |
| 01:32.48 | solemnwarning | no errors sent |
| 01:32.59 | solemnwarning | and ive put cups into loglevel debug2 |
| 01:33.14 | solemnwarning | deb is just aborting |
| 01:33.28 | solemnwarning | exact same settings work under cups with fc3 btw |
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| 01:33.55 | deadcat | !tell solemnwarning about enter |
| 01:34.47 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 01:35.04 | solemnwarning | how do u make debian work with smb printing over cups? |
| 01:35.18 | CasaNova_ | I am running Debian testing , upgraded kernel to 2.6.11 but when I try to reconfigure VMware for new kernel I get an error that kernel was compiled with gcc 3.3.6 but I have 3.3.5 - I don;t see 3.3.6 as an option to install? |
| 01:35.19 | deadcat | no clue |
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| 01:35.51 | rking | gotta go |
| 01:35.53 | deadcat | CasaNova_: you have kernel-headers-`uname -r` ? |
| 01:36.04 | CasaNova_ | solemnwarning- there are a few very good website that discuss the thing step by step- one in the Topic: another I'll ahve to look up. |
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| 01:36.58 | solemnwarning | its only deb |
| 01:37.07 | solemnwarning | debian is aborting the jobs |
| 01:37.17 | CasaNova_ | deadcat: DARN I jsut noticed I have kernel 2.6.77-1-686 but headers 2.6.11-7! oops |
| 01:37.26 | AnObfuscator | Has anyone seen a wireless card just randomly drop/reconnect, drop/reconnect, etc ad nauseum? it's not the router (no other computers are having connectivity issues) and it's definitely debain (gentoo and ubuntu connect fine)... anyone know what's up with this? |
| 01:37.35 | deadcat | CasaNova_: 2.6.77? (= |
| 01:38.06 | CasaNova_ | deadcat:I have kernel 2.6.11-1-686 but headers 2.6.11-7! oops |
| 01:38.20 | Guerin | CasaNova_: that's ok |
| 01:38.23 | CasaNova_ | deadcat - would that give me a gcc warning? |
| 01:38.34 | CasaNova_ | it's vmware giving me the warning... |
| 01:38.53 | CasaNova_ | then it wont compile new kernel mods for VMware - this is the first time I've seen this... |
| 01:38.56 | Guerin | CasaNova_: you need to copy your /boot/config-2.6.11-1-686 file to /your/source/tree/.config |
| 01:38.59 | eXa_bOy | vmware sucks bollocks, cant even get it to run the latest version of FreeBSD |
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| 01:39.37 | eXa_bOy | although this is the win version im talking about |
| 01:39.42 | WiFiTux | eXa_bOy: vmware is going to be pulished a lot to Linux in a few months. |
| 01:39.45 | PandaKun | yo |
| 01:39.51 | PandaKun | what do u do when the file is in the directory |
| 01:39.52 | WiFiTux | oh |
| 01:39.57 | PandaKun | but when u do like ./login-server_sql it says it doesnt exist |
| 01:40.02 | PandaKun | cus i did a dir i see its in there |
| 01:40.06 | PandaKun | i type ./login-server_sql and it says it doesnt exist |
| 01:40.07 | liable | deadcat: can I see that link for your xorg conf again? |
| 01:40.10 | PandaKun | any idea/ |
| 01:40.16 | Guerin | PandaKun: what exactly does it say |
| 01:40.25 | PandaKun | -bash: ./login-server_sql: No such file or directory |
| 01:40.32 | PandaKun | i dired it |
| 01:40.33 | PandaKun | charserv.bat db httpd login-server_sql map-server object_del.bat startlogin |
| 01:40.33 | deadcat | liable: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/sysbackup.pandora/hourly/etc/X11/xorg.conf ati card |
| 01:40.37 | Guerin | PandaKun: dired? |
| 01:40.39 | PandaKun | thats when i did dir |
| 01:40.40 | PandaKun | =D |
| 01:40.48 | solemnwarning | debian wont stop aborting the jobs |
| 01:40.53 | Guerin | PandaKun: what does ls -l |grep login-server_sql say? |
| 01:41.05 | PandaKun | -rwxr-xr-x 1 Eptic Eptic 341708 2005-07-15 17:19 login-server_sql |
| 01:41.06 | deadcat | liable: if you want to see the nvidia card options. click the parent link few time |
| 01:41.07 | solemnwarning | what do i need to do to make debian leave cups alone? |
| 01:41.18 | Guerin | PandaKun: use tabcompletion |
| 01:41.24 | PandaKun | ? |
| 01:41.28 | PandaKun | what? |
| 01:41.35 | Guerin | PandaKun: type ./log<tab> |
| 01:41.42 | PandaKun | im using putty |
| 01:41.46 | Guerin | PandaKun: i don't care |
| 01:41.49 | PandaKun | i press tab |
| 01:41.50 | PandaKun | nothing happens |
| 01:41.56 | Guerin | PandaKun: press it twice |
| 01:41.56 | PandaKun | ot it does |
| 01:41.58 | liable | deadcat: nah, got a 7500 |
| 01:42.00 | PandaKun | log login-server login-server_sql |
| 01:42.14 | PandaKun | works |
| 01:42.14 | PandaKun | =] |
| 01:42.15 | PandaKun | nope |
| 01:42.16 | PandaKun | didnt work |
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| 01:42.25 | deadcat | liable: then thats the link mine is 7500 as well. |
| 01:42.27 | PandaKun | says it didnt exist |
| 01:42.32 | Guerin | PandaKun: 1) turn off auto-reconnect 2) don't funcking flood |
| 01:42.37 | deadcat | !tell PandaKun about enter |
| 01:42.40 | PandaKun | im lagging |
| 01:42.49 | liable | deadcat: hmm, yeah I get the mergedfb loading, but nothing on telly :( |
| 01:42.49 | Guerin | ok, so type login-server_<tab> |
| 01:42.55 | PandaKun | i did >.> didnt work |
| 01:43.00 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 01:43.00 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:43.05 | deadcat | liable: you need few options for svideo. mine is vga out |
| 01:43.21 | PandaKun | -bash: ./login-server_sql: No such file or directory |
| 01:43.28 | PandaKun | is that specific enough? |
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| 01:44.08 | CasaNova_ | Guerin: Sorry I got a phone call at the same time:-) |
| 01:44.12 | solemnwarning | what do i need to do to make debian leave cups alone? |
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| 01:44.27 | solemnwarning | so i can print witout debian making all my jobs abort |
| 01:44.29 | CasaNova_ | SO copy config to /usr/src/linux (link to headers for 2.6.11) ? |
| 01:44.34 | liable | deadcat: oh what in the config? |
| 01:44.47 | deadcat | liable: not sure about ati. let me check |
| 01:45.50 | liable | hmm, get failed to detect secondary monitor in log.. |
| 01:45.58 | dave_889 | what's the best way to find programs on my cd |
| 01:46.00 | solemnwarning | can deb be made to stop wrecking cups? |
| 01:46.20 | deadcat | liable: check drac's page: http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/ he might have some info with svideo. |
| 01:46.20 | drac | liable: open source radeon driver? |
| 01:46.29 | liable | drac: yeah |
| 01:46.41 | deadcat | liable: i only know how to do it with nvidia when it comes to svideo |
| 01:46.52 | drac | liable: it doesn't support tv-out at all in xfree86 or x.org 6.8.2 |
| 01:46.54 | liable | deadcat: ok, thanks. |
| 01:47.06 | CasaNova_ | I still get error when I run vmware-config - that kernel was built with 3.3.6 gcc but I have gcc 3.3.5 and this may crash vmware - then it fails to build modules (working under 2.6.8) |
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| 01:47.18 | Guerin | PandaKun: something's fucked on your filesystem. |
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| 01:47.21 | PandaKun | lo |
| 01:47.31 | PandaKun | i accidently deleted the gpkg one time |
| 01:47.41 | Guerin | solemnwarning: cups works fine for me on debian. I bet it's a config error somewhere between samba and cups |
| 01:47.43 | liable | drac: oh. ok. Dont use it anyway, just thought I would see if it would work. Thanks. |
| 01:47.44 | PandaKun | *dpkg. and i restored it shows no errors |
| 01:47.48 | Guerin | solemnwarning: read the BTS |
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| 01:47.59 | drac | liable: ati tv-out project (ati gatos: gatos.sf.net) is merging to x.org, some of it is available in next x.org release (6.9/7.0) and some waiting for 7.1 |
| 01:48.00 | solemnwarning | debian is aborting the job |
| 01:48.06 | PandaKun | guerin u know how to install the mysql libraries on debian 64? |
| 01:48.09 | solemnwarning | the configs are ok |
| 01:48.09 | Guerin | PandaKun: dpkg has nothing to do with this |
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| 01:48.21 | liable | solemnwarning: can you see the printer with smbclient? |
| 01:48.21 | PandaKun | i need the libraries |
| 01:48.21 | Spec | I have an Intel Corp. 82801FB High Definition Audio Controller (I assume snd-intel8x0); but when I have the modules all loaded, cat /proc/asound/cards says "--- no soundcards ---"...help? |
| 01:48.25 | Guerin | PandaKun: apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 01:48.29 | Guerin | PandaKun: install packages |
| 01:48.30 | solemnwarning | whats the command? |
| 01:48.39 | Spec | `lspci |grep -i audio`: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 01:48.59 | liable | drac: will check it out. cheers |
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| 01:49.14 | PandaKun | nope didnt work |
| 01:49.22 | PandaKun | no /usr/local/lib/mysql yet |
| 01:49.46 | Guerin | PandaKun: no, it'll install to /usr/lib/mysql |
| 01:49.52 | Guerin | PandaKun: like i told you some days ago |
| 01:49.52 | solemnwarning | whats command to see if smbclient can see it? |
| 01:50.01 | PandaKun | nope |
| 01:50.02 | Guerin | PandaKun: configure with --with-mysql=/usr/ |
| 01:50.10 | PandaKun | what? |
| 01:50.16 | PandaKun | so i gotta dwnload the source? |
| 01:50.17 | Guerin | PandaKun: then you've fucked something up horribly and should reinstll |
| 01:50.20 | Guerin | PandaKun: NO |
| 01:50.24 | Spec | alsaconf says it can't find my sound card :-/ |
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| 01:50.30 | Guerin | PandaKun: whatever you're building that needs mysql dev libs |
| 01:50.31 | Spec | is it possible this soundcard isn't supported in linux? |
| 01:50.34 | Pryon | solemnwarning: smbclient -L hostname |
| 01:50.36 | PandaKun | lol |
| 01:50.44 | PandaKun | the mysql libraries dont exist |
| 01:50.50 | Guerin | PandaKun: yes they fucking DO |
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| 01:51.10 | PandaKun | no |
| 01:51.11 | PandaKun | i cant find it |
| 01:51.22 | TNKS | hi all. Is there a nice utility to swap resolutions for a frame buffered console? |
| 01:51.39 | TNKS | I know how to to it with kernel parameters. Is it possible to do after bootup? |
| 01:51.45 | Guerin | PandaKun: that would be because you're a fucking retard, not because they don't exist |
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| 01:52.00 | Guerin | !info libmysqlclient12-dev sarge |
| 01:52.03 | PandaKun | ? |
| 01:52.05 | dpkg | libmysqlclient12-dev: (mysql database development files), section libdevel, is extra. Version: 4.0.24-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 2852 kB, Installed size: 8284 kB |
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| 01:52.09 | Guerin | HELLO |
| 01:52.11 | Guerin | there it is |
| 01:52.13 | Guerin | anyway |
| 01:52.15 | Smerdyakov | Anyone know what might have changed on updating webmin that would make it no longer allow anyone to log in? |
| 01:52.17 | Guerin | have fun, i'm off |
| 01:52.19 | PandaKun | its not installed in my server |
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| 01:52.24 | PandaKun | >.> good riddance no help at all |
| 01:52.30 | Guerin | PandaKun: SO FUCKING INSTALL IT YOU IMBECILE |
| 01:52.39 | solemnwarning | smbclient can see the printer |
| 01:52.43 | PandaKun | i am |
| 01:52.50 | PandaKun | look at him go crazy ^__^ |
| 01:52.51 | eXa_bOy | is ssh installed by default in debian? |
| 01:53.25 | CasaNova_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.25 | CasaNova_ | kernel? Thsi s the question that vmware needs to know |
| 01:53.37 | CasaNova_ | Right now it's pointing to :[/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build/include |
| 01:53.48 | solemnwarning | smbclient can see the printer, debian is still aborting the jobs |
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| 01:53.52 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: no |
| 01:54.02 | eXa_bOy | thanks deadcat |
| 01:54.12 | CasaNova_ | I thought headers were /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1> |
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| 01:54.48 | eXa_bOy | deadcat how do i install it? |
| 01:55.06 | eXa_bOy | what package is it apart of? |
| 01:55.07 | solemnwarning | how can i force debian to leave cups alone? |
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| 01:55.31 | liable | solemnwarning: you sure you have the correct location for the printer in cups? |
| 01:55.37 | solemnwarning | yes <_< |
| 01:55.40 | liable | solemnwarning: paste the location line. |
| 01:55.44 | solemnwarning | debian kills all the jobs |
| 01:55.52 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: ssh, if you just want client/server openssh-client openssh-server |
| 01:56.04 | eXa_bOy | thank you :) |
| 01:56.05 | PandaKun | anyone know how to install linuxthreads? |
| 01:56.06 | Nigel_ | hmmm still having TVOut problems, it's really odd, because it works on the bios loading splash, and the grub screen |
| 01:56.12 | liable | solemnwarning: stop saying that and give some usefull information. |
| 01:56.13 | solemnwarning | DeviceURI smb://solemnwarning:******@192.168.0.1/hp |
| 01:56.20 | Nigel_ | and about 3 seconds into the boot it goes horrible |
| 01:56.39 | WiFiTux | deadcat: |
| 01:56.53 | jdhutchin1 | solemnwarning, what do the cups logs say? |
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| 01:57.00 | eXa_bOy | if i want to connect to my debian machine from a remote location through say putty i need client and server? |
| 01:57.01 | liable | solemnwarning: ok, that looks ok. |
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| 01:57.27 | solemnwarning | a loot |
| 01:57.41 | solemnwarning | *lot |
| 01:57.48 | Nigel_ | WiFiTux btw, yes s-video |
| 01:58.05 | solemnwarning | i mean several hunderad lines per job |
| 01:58.06 | crud | i have alsa installed correctly as far as i can tell but i get error in xmms or mythtv: alsa lib pcm_dmix.c:802(snd_pcm_dmix_open)unable to open slave. i asked this question in #alsa and #xmms and got nada |
| 01:58.14 | solemnwarning | since its in loglevel debug2 |
| 01:58.15 | beardy | eXa_bOy: You need a ssh server running on your debian box to connect to it using putty yes. |
| 01:58.23 | eXa_bOy | thank you |
| 01:58.23 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: server |
| 01:58.31 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: just apt-get install ssh to have server and client |
| 01:58.45 | CasaNova_ | I can't give this any more effort - it's drained the life outta me :-) I can burn DVDs everywhich way on my Plextor IDE 716A, but I can't burn a CD to save my Life! drats |
| 01:58.54 | Smerdyakov | Is it possible to seamlessly switch from maintaining a package globally on a system from the binary package to the source package? |
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| 01:59.02 | eXa_bOy | i gathered that, just wanted to check :) |
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| 01:59.13 | WiFiTux | deadcat: no good here I think. |
| 01:59.18 | narg | Can you set a date in a chroot, or does it not let you control that? |
| 01:59.21 | liable | solemnwarning: can you plug it in locally and it works? |
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| 01:59.47 | beardy | narg: Probably not in an easy way. |
| 01:59.47 | deadcat | WiFiTux: sorry. i dont have experience with svideo on ati. check http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/, he has really good info |
| 01:59.59 | WiFiTux | deadcat: when startx, it never gives info about s-video or clone mode or something, unles if won't run as root |
| 02:00.03 | eXa_bOy | root is such a cool word for administrator... wonder who thought of that. |
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| 02:00.14 | CasaNova_ | I even tried switching back to 2.4.X kernel with ide-scsi emul and it still fails, the media is TDK and burns 100% on Windows laptop with dvd/CDR combo :-( can't believe I need to buy another drive! |
| 02:00.17 | JeffH | does the x.org xserver support the ati aiw 8500dv any better than the xfree86 xserver did? |
| 02:00.18 | solemnwarning | yes |
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| 02:00.21 | linuxpark | anyone know the irc address about embedded system ? |
| 02:00.25 | solemnwarning | it only dont work over smb |
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| 02:00.41 | narg | bready: meh. |
| 02:00.46 | asg | Smerdyakov: hack the source package control file to give it a different name ; Make sure the package conflicts with the upstream binary package ; track security and act accordingly. |
| 02:00.46 | narg | err |
| 02:00.49 | narg | *beardy |
| 02:00.54 | liable | solemnwarning: you have a firewall on that box? |
| 02:00.58 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 02:01.05 | solemnwarning | but its allowing smb ports |
| 02:01.06 | banedon | command to change x windows from 800 to 1024 ? |
| 02:01.07 | liable | solemnwarning: turn it off and try |
| 02:01.12 | solemnwarning | since fedora can print |
| 02:01.20 | asg | banedon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:01.21 | Artimus | Has anyone got klibido working on Debian Unstable? I get a bunch of dependency errors (I can't pull up the messages, my debian install is hosed; lilo got corrupted) |
| 02:02.03 | asg | banedon: if you are using sid (shudder) and have actually upgraded to x.org, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:02.08 | chmeee | there a good firewall configurator for debian, or is it just bash scripting? |
| 02:02.13 | solemnwarning | ive disabled firewall |
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| 02:02.17 | solemnwarning | and it still wont print |
| 02:02.22 | asg | chmeee: try firehol |
| 02:02.28 | solemnwarning | debian wont stop killing the job |
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| 02:02.29 | chmeee | asg: k, will do |
| 02:02.31 | jdhutchin1 | solemnwarning, turn down the log level so you can see what is causing the problems |
| 02:02.42 | solemnwarning | what level? |
| 02:02.48 | jdhutchin1 | there is no 'debian' program that is killing the print jobs |
| 02:02.55 | jdhutchin1 | solemnwarning, the cups log levels |
| 02:03.02 | liable | solemnwarning: are you just trying to print a test page? |
| 02:03.19 | solemnwarning | nothing prints |
| 02:03.20 | Smoked1 | Could someone please tell me where to download the warez version of debian |
| 02:03.25 | Smoked1 | Debian Pro? |
| 02:03.29 | solemnwarning | debian kills all print jobs for smb printers |
| 02:03.39 | jdhutchin1 | solemnwarning, there is no 'debian' program that is killing things |
| 02:03.40 | asg | !pal Smerdyakov |
| 02:03.44 | D13GU | hello! how to correct the problem? no screen found |
| 02:03.45 | D13GU | ? |
| 02:03.51 | asg | !no screens found |
| 02:03.51 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 02:03.55 | Smerdyakov | asg, what? |
| 02:04.01 | jdhutchin1 | solemnwarning, if you turn down the log levels, you might be able to see what is happening |
| 02:04.04 | asg | Smerdyakov: disregard, my mistake |
| 02:04.18 | jdhutchin1 | solemnwarning, debug2 is basically for developers |
| 02:04.25 | chmeee | Smoked1: only the 1337est can get that |
| 02:04.37 | D13GU | asg, how to set configs of x sever in debian? |
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| 02:04.55 | asg | Smoked1: /msg dpkg porn-get |
| 02:05.01 | chmeee | dpkg-config x? |
| 02:05.04 | asg | D13GU: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:05.12 | Smerdyakov | asg, what?? |
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| 02:05.41 | solemnwarning | ive turned loglevel down to warn and im still under a flooded log |
| 02:05.44 | asg | Smerdyakov: I addressed the wrong person. |
| 02:05.51 | solemnwarning | with 100's of lines |
| 02:06.05 | Smerdyakov | asg, for the second time? |
| 02:06.06 | jdhutchin1 | well, then see what's causing the problem |
| 02:06.13 | jdhutchin1 | solemnwarning, maybe put it in a pastebin so we can see? |
| 02:06.21 | liable | solemnwarning: can you go into cups admin, and paste the entire config (the 4 lines) of the printer to #flood |
| 02:06.22 | Smerdyakov | Or is my brain fried. Never mind. |
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| 02:06.53 | CasaNova_ | How can I ask dpkg about a package (kernel source for 2.6.11?) I cant seem to find it in testing... |
| 02:06.54 | asg | Smerdyakov: no, the part about hacking the source package control file was correct, the point-n-laugh bit wasn't |
| 02:07.10 | asg | CasaNova_: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:07.26 | D13GU | asg thank's |
| 02:08.51 | eXa_bOy | what are the two important apt-get comamnds once you have a fresh server? apt-get update & apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:08.59 | eXa_bOy | i thought there was another one |
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| 02:09.43 | asg | eXa_bOy: dist-upgrade (but it is for moving from one version to another (i.e. woody -> sarge)) |
| 02:09.52 | solemnwarning | liable its there |
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| 02:10.05 | eXa_bOy | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:10.11 | asg | eXa_bOy: oh, and don't forget 'apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean' |
| 02:10.14 | drx | anyone having troubles with gaim/libaspell? |
| 02:10.18 | liable | solemnwarning: did you edit the location? |
| 02:10.24 | solemnwarning | no |
| 02:10.25 | asg | drx: /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:10.26 | solemnwarning | why |
| 02:10.36 | asg | drx: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 02:10.38 | liable | solemnwarning: k, sec |
| 02:10.48 | D13GU | new problem, of x server: Addscreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
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| 02:11.50 | CasaNova_ | Right I can find kernel-source-2.6.11 when I apt-get search but I can't install it - I get aan error about no installation candidate! |
| 02:12.03 | asg | CasaNova_: apt-get update |
| 02:12.06 | TNKS | exit |
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| 02:12.36 | CasaNova_ | asg: claims everythign is updated |
| 02:12.43 | chealer | !info kernel-source-2.6.11 etch |
| 02:12.53 | chealer | dpkg: Package 'kernel-source-2.6.11' does not exist.. |
| 02:13.18 | CasaNova_ | but I have kernel 2.6.11-1-686 installed... |
| 02:13.22 | CasaNova_ | (testing) |
| 02:13.29 | CasaNova_ | and using ftp.debian.org as source |
| 02:13.55 | asg | CasaNova_: did you apt-get install it or just grab a deb and dpkg -i it? |
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| 02:14.19 | CasaNova_ | asg: the kernel? aptitude install |
| 02:14.28 | chealer | there's some kind of problem, they allowed the [i386] stock kernels but not the source |
| 02:14.30 | liable | solemnwarning: delete the printer and start again. |
| 02:14.36 | vinland | is it just me or does vnc really suck some dick. When I fire up the client and connect all I see is a text box. |
| 02:15.26 | asg | CasaNova_: testing isn't bug free, that is likely the problem. I don't know for sure though. |
| 02:15.28 | chealer | if VNC sucks dicks, it would be offtopic. try #debian-spam |
| 02:15.30 | solemnwarning | already tried |
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| 02:15.35 | solemnwarning | didnt work |
| 02:15.56 | WiFiTux | deadcat: crap. Works on windows. :( |
| 02:16.00 | CasaNova_ | asg: WOw my first major issue with testing :-) OK I'll be patient and go back to 2.6.8 |
| 02:16.09 | liable | solemnwarning: when you add it, what do you put in the location for the printer? |
| 02:16.26 | solemnwarning | smb://username:passwd@192.168.0.1/hp |
| 02:16.32 | asg | CasaNova_: I'm not tracking testing right now so I really can't provide any more info. Someone else who is, however, might be able to. |
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| 02:17.09 | CasaNova_ | I went to 2.6.11 kernel only in hopes of gettig dvd burner to work burning cds under cdrecord - NO go though so 2.6.X version doesn't matter.. |
| 02:17.24 | metaperl | I have a question: if I do apt-get source hat-ghc6 and then change to the source directory, apply a patch, then I'm not sure (a) whether I should follow the directions in INSTALL (b) after compiling, how do I install this so that debian understands/registers my compiled version with dpkg? |
| 02:17.35 | CasaNova_ | So reboot and choose 2.6.8 then vmware will work again.... |
| 02:17.38 | PandaKun | anyone have any ida why my file sometime says its not there |
| 02:17.38 | PandaKun | ? |
| 02:17.41 | PandaKun | even tho it is |
| 02:17.42 | asg | CasaNova_: oh, try using dev=ATAPI: and dev=ATA: (one or the other should work) |
| 02:17.42 | PandaKun | 100% sure. |
| 02:18.06 | asg | PandaKun: paste the error from the command you ran |
| 02:18.08 | PandaKun | i chmod it +x |
| 02:18.13 | PandaKun | -bash: ./login-server_sql: No such file or directory |
| 02:18.16 | PandaKun | isnt that obvious =o |
| 02:18.17 | WiFiTux | Nigel_: got it working? |
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| 02:18.20 | CasaNova_ | asg: No tried ever combination of the above for weeks, tried 2.4 kerenl with ide-scsi emulation - I CAN not get the plesxtor DVD burner to burn on my TDK CDR media! |
| 02:18.36 | vinland | chealer - Well if there was a vnc channel, trust me I would be there. |
| 02:18.37 | asg | PandaKun: paste the command you typed |
| 02:18.44 | Darryl | Is it possible to directly upgrade from mysql-server to mysql-server-4.1 ? |
| 02:18.44 | PandaKun | uhmm |
| 02:18.47 | PandaKun | ./login-server_sql |
| 02:18.48 | PandaKun | >.> |
| 02:18.49 | CasaNova_ | But windows laptop burns media jsut fine, I'll try other brand media and try to borrow internal CDR to test as well. |
| 02:19.00 | asg | PandaKun: is the filesystem mounted noexec? |
| 02:19.06 | PandaKun | huh? |
| 02:19.10 | PandaKun | iunno |
| 02:19.17 | Darryl | As in just "apt-get install mysql-server-4.1" without having to worry about losing config and data? |
| 02:19.17 | asg | PandaKun: what does lsattr ./login-server_sql print |
| 02:19.19 | PandaKun | i +x it |
| 02:19.25 | PandaKun | lsattr: No such file or directory while trying to stat print |
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| 02:19.38 | PandaKun | ----------------- ./login-server_sql |
| 02:19.39 | asg | PandaKun: it might not be executable (what does 'file ./login-server_sql' print) |
| 02:19.41 | CasaNova_ | asg But PLextor DVD burner burns DVDs fine :-) oh well, thought I had it licked with all in one devie. shoudla known something so inexpensive would bite my butt! |
| 02:19.44 | PandaKun | yes it is |
| 02:19.44 | PandaKun | lo |
| 02:19.48 | PandaKun | i know what i uploaded via ftp |
| 02:20.06 | asg | PandaKun: it has an executable flag set, it doesn't mean it can be executed though. |
| 02:20.29 | chealer | vinland: there's at least one VNC channel. besides, if you'd ask a sensible Debian and VNC related question here, someone might try helping |
| 02:20.31 | asg | CasaNova_: yeah ;/ |
| 02:20.56 | liable | solemnwarning: ok, when you click on modify printer, it shows the right location? then continue shows, print by samba? |
| 02:21.28 | liable | solemnwarning: check your samba logs for authentication errors. |
| 02:21.37 | CasaNova_ | asg: I'll have to watch slickdeals or the other sites for dvd-combo cheaop or jsut plain jane cdr. Oh yeah I forgot I was gonna test my external USB cd burner under 2.6.8 - anyoen kow what a USB external cdr gets recognized as ? SDR0 or the like? |
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| 02:22.16 | chmeee | ok, I admit I haven't used debian in quite some time |
| 02:22.17 | asg | CasaNova_: that I don't know. |
| 02:22.25 | chmeee | are there any tools for configuring the wireless networking? |
| 02:22.31 | vinland | chealer - I do have some questions, I'm guessing I do not have it set up properly because all i seem to see is xterm |
| 02:22.32 | asg | chmeee: man 7 wireless |
| 02:22.42 | CasaNova_ | asg: OK thanks, gotta reboto and test external burner - it may only burn at 4X but hey it's better than NADA! :-) |
| 02:22.43 | asg | chmeee: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 02:22.49 | PandaKun | so what now |
| 02:22.51 | asg | CasaNova_: :) |
| 02:22.57 | vinland | cheaker - what is the vnc channel, i'll try my luck there |
| 02:23.01 | solemnwarning | i clicked modify printer |
| 02:23.02 | asg | PandaKun: is it a script or a binary? |
| 02:23.13 | solemnwarning | the location field is empty |
| 02:23.14 | chmeee | asg: yeah, I installed wireless tools |
| 02:23.23 | liable | solemnwarning: put in in then. |
| 02:23.31 | chmeee | but, like, knoppix has netcardconfig to configure network cards |
| 02:23.33 | chealer | vinland: I'm chealer. the channel in #ultravnc |
| 02:23.35 | chmeee | and store them in the configuration |
| 02:23.36 | WiFiTux | I can't find fglrxconfig in Sid. |
| 02:23.43 | chmeee | is there something similar for raw debian? |
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| 02:23.55 | asg | chmeee: there is etherconf or something like that |
| 02:23.57 | resiak | WiFiTux: Could it be that ... wait for it ... X is broken in Sid? |
| 02:24.14 | liable | no way |
| 02:24.15 | solemnwarning | is location needed? |
| 02:24.17 | liable | :P |
| 02:24.19 | chmeee | asg: cool thanks |
| 02:24.22 | WiFiTux | resiak: Is not broken for me. |
| 02:24.24 | solemnwarning | or are u talking about device url? |
| 02:24.25 | liable | solemnwarning: yes. |
| 02:24.26 | zinx | fglrxconfig is a ATI proprietary driver binary anyway |
| 02:24.32 | Darryl | I haven't been able to find any concrete answers to my question. Does anyone know? I'd like to upgrade as soon as possible. |
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| 02:24.39 | liable | solemnwarning: location, the one with the password in it. |
| 02:24.40 | zinx | it's not in an official debian package yet |
| 02:24.49 | resiak | WiFiTux: So if it's not broken why the question? ;) |
| 02:24.50 | zinx | (no maintainer) |
| 02:24.59 | zinx | or at least no DD maintainer :P |
| 02:25.00 | chealer | vinland: and they'll tell you you're offtopic since you're unlikely using ultravnc |
| 02:25.04 | vinland | cheaLer - thanks. |
| 02:25.06 | wasabi | ANy recommendations on some good VPN client software? I am connecting to a L2TP server. |
| 02:25.12 | solemnwarning | still aborted |
| 02:25.35 | asg | Darryl: it should be trivial. However, backup the database(s) just in case. You can always roll back if the upgrade fails. |
| 02:25.48 | WiFiTux | resiak: cause it's an ati file. |
| 02:25.50 | liable | solemnwarning: does it show location now on the printer page? |
| 02:25.55 | solemnwarning | yes |
| 02:25.59 | crud | i have sound problem i looked in /dev/snd and there is controlC0 and timer and thats it should i have more?xmms wont play or mythtv can someone tell me if pcm devices are in /dev/snd?? |
| 02:26.09 | solemnwarning | still aborting |
| 02:26.10 | Darryl | asg: Okay, thank you. |
| 02:26.23 | liable | solemnwarning: after you put it in, did it go too, use printer via samba? |
| 02:26.55 | crud | btwim using alsa |
| 02:27.01 | Darryl | asg: I know this is a MySQL question, but do you know if I can basically just make a copy of the data directory and call it a day? |
| 02:27.03 | chealer | vinland: and otherwise they'd still tell you that what you get is normal until you configure the server to do what you want |
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| 02:27.07 | resiak | WiFiTux: You know what I mean... |
| 02:27.22 | resiak | Darryl: For a backup? mysqldump |
| 02:27.24 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 02:27.39 | solemnwarning | all the settings are still there |
| 02:27.45 | Darryl | resiak, yeah, I guess I'll just do that |
| 02:27.51 | Darryl | Thanks, asg and resiak |
| 02:28.10 | liable | solemnwarning: after you put in the location and clicked continue, the next screen should have given a menu, and "Windows printer via SAMBA" |
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| 02:28.24 | vinland | chealer - well maybe you can help me. I have my vncserver running on a linux box and i'm trying to access it with vncviewer in windows. I connect to it and I only see xterm? Where is all the regular desktop stuff. I've tried to connect on 0, 1 , 2 and I get the same screen. |
| 02:28.31 | resiak | Darryl: I _hope_ that's enough -- it's what I used at work today :) |
| 02:28.38 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 02:28.42 | solemnwarning | all settings are set |
| 02:28.46 | Darryl | resiak: Well, I'd hate to have to reload from a SQL dump |
| 02:28.52 | solemnwarning | its still aborting |
| 02:28.56 | liable | solemnwarning: check your samba logs. |
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| 02:29.03 | chealer | vinland: regular as in KDE? gnome? |
| 02:29.04 | solemnwarning | path? |
| 02:29.06 | Darryl | resiak: Forum databases get large, heh... Time consuming process |
| 02:29.15 | liable | /var/log/samba |
| 02:29.17 | chealer | ...or something else, of course |
| 02:29.25 | doub | vinland: you have to set up the xsession script for the vnc server |
| 02:29.35 | doub | vinland: see the manpage for how to do this |
| 02:29.41 | resiak | Darryl: Me too. I have other backups, don't worry... ...but this mysql basically holds the entire business. Why did they trust upgrading it to an intern?! |
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| 02:29.59 | Darryl | resiak: Heh |
| 02:30.06 | chealer | vinland: the client doesn't matter. the server could change the results, though |
| 02:30.12 | Darryl | resiak: Momentary lapse of reason, perhaps... |
| 02:30.17 | vinland | chealer - gnome |
| 02:30.36 | resiak | Darryl: Meh, the rest of them are busy, and they apparently trust me :) |
| 02:30.36 | solemnwarning | no printer stuff in samba longs |
| 02:30.36 | wasabi | Anybody have any experience with resolvconf? Isn't it supposed to merge resolv.conf settings from mutliple sources? |
| 02:30.38 | solemnwarning | *logs |
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| 02:30.44 | doub | vinland: usually it's just a matter of putting a file like "#!/bin/sh \n exec <your favvorie wm/desktop session manager>\n" somewhere in ~/.vnc/ |
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| 02:31.19 | Darryl | Hmm |
| 02:31.24 | Darryl | Maybe I'll try mysqlhotcopy |
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| 02:31.39 | crud | im having sound issue since devfs killed my /dev now xmms or mythtv wont play with alsa i only have 2 things in /dev/snd is that wrong?i ran MAKEDEV script. im not sure how else to fix /dev for sound any ideas? |
| 02:31.45 | solemnwarning | be back in about10 mins, i need food |
| 02:31.50 | asg | Darryl: if you shutdown mysql, you can copy /var/lib/mysql with no problem |
| 02:32.23 | liable | solemnwarning: do you have cupsys-bsd installed |
| 02:32.35 | Darryl | asg: I'm just wondering if I can drop that right back in if something goes horribly wrong. |
| 02:32.45 | liable | solemnwarning: install strace |
| 02:32.57 | doub | vinland: on the other side, it's usually more efficient to run an X server on your windows machine and connect to your machine via, say, ssh, for that matter |
| 02:33.00 | asg | Darryl: you can, once mysql is shutdown, /var/lib/mysql is nothing more that a bunch of files |
| 02:33.20 | dfadel | what channel is more appropriate for DRBD+HEARTBEAT discussion? |
| 02:33.34 | resiak | crud: "Why the hell are you using devfs?" springs to mind. |
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| 02:34.10 | PandaKun | yo |
| 02:34.17 | empty | Darryl, yes you can |
| 02:34.19 | crud | resiak, i didnt know any better i had devfs and udev now i have neither |
| 02:34.58 | PandaKun | can anyone help me install mysql via debian 64? |
| 02:34.59 | PandaKun | pm? =o |
| 02:35.04 | resiak | crud: I see. Install one of them? |
| 02:35.06 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 02:35.07 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 02:35.18 | eXa_bOy | !root |
| 02:35.18 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 02:35.45 | resiak | Is it Sunday yet? |
| 02:35.51 | asg | resiak: pretty damn close |
| 02:35.54 | eXa_bOy | its saturday here |
| 02:35.56 | PandaKun | thanks exa =] |
| 02:35.58 | PandaKun | i mean resiak |
| 02:35.59 | crud | resiak, should i ? i was told use neither just MAKEDEV script is good |
| 02:36.06 | asg | !qotd88 |
| 02:36.06 | dpkg | < quadrata> debiant: well, I want to run aol on debian, but my cd only works in windows < quadrata> I'll brb, I gotta get some fruitcake. Hope you guys will help me with the aol soon. |
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| 02:36.35 | resiak | crud: I'm a udev fan. I don't know much about /dev, to be honest -- all I know is that devfs uses stupid names for stuff, and that udev works for me. |
| 02:36.53 | launch | Hi, the FarCry linux installer, that install farcry without bought cd, or this is just a file to install the win32 version i bought on linux |
| 02:36.53 | silensius | how can i extract some files whih zip extensions in a directories |
| 02:37.04 | resiak | eXa_bOy: No. On #debian, it's always Sunday. |
| 02:37.09 | asg | launch: wtf is FarCry linux? |
| 02:37.10 | resiak | silensius: man unzip |
| 02:37.11 | fuag | where is the java 5.0 sdk? or jre? |
| 02:37.17 | resiak | launch: How the hell should we know? |
| 02:37.18 | asg | fuag: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 02:37.22 | resiak | fuag: /topic |
| 02:37.38 | fuag | i've tried apt-cache search java runtime and there are like.. more things than the console can remember |
| 02:37.39 | launch | asg http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=0&start=550 |
| 02:37.39 | fuag | lol |
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| 02:38.14 | crud | ill try udev and see if it fixes my problem ive tried everything else |
| 02:38.14 | launch | It is now possible to install FarCry under Linux without MSI. The installer includes the FarCry 1.1 Patch. |
| 02:38.27 | Darryl | Right, here goes... |
| 02:38.40 | asg | launch: probably better to ask in #loki |
| 02:38.46 | launch | thanks |
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| 02:39.40 | silensius | resiak: i'm not a programer |
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| 02:40.03 | buu | Is there any way to turn on 'software flow control' on 'ttyS0' ? |
| 02:40.04 | vinland | cheaLer - thanks. |
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| 02:40.14 | silensius | i have 100 zip files in a directories how can unzip all |
| 02:40.30 | buu | silensius: "unzip" |
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| 02:41.11 | silensius | i will unzip all files in a one linux command how can i ? |
| 02:41.12 | asg | silensius: cd /dir/full/o/zip ; for i in *.zip ; unzip $i ; done (the manpage indicates this is not necessary however.) |
| 02:41.14 | resiak | silensius: man unzip is the manual for the "unzip" command, which you use to unzip things. |
| 02:41.20 | silensius | thanks |
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| 02:41.35 | asg | s/unzip/do unzip/ |
| 02:41.40 | fuag | wow.. um it says java-package only currently works with up to 1.5.... the program im using is asking for 5.0 either the vendor got something seriously wrong or java-package is really old, i think 1.5 is the lates java tho :S, /me runs to sun.java.com |
| 02:41.41 | silensius | thanks i m a newbies |
| 02:41.59 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 02:42.05 | resiak | fuag: In Java(R) Land, 1.5 == 5.0 |
| 02:42.12 | asg | fuag: 1.5 is 5.0 |
| 02:42.15 | resiak | fuag: (Yes, I'm serious.) |
| 02:42.19 | fuag | why |
| 02:42.29 | resiak | fuag: Because Sun are on crack ? |
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| 02:42.31 | fuag | they have version envie |
| 02:42.38 | asg | fuag: because people who sell software think big numbers are like big cocks. |
| 02:42.51 | fuag | asg: they are :P |
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| 02:43.13 | doub | fuag: because 5.0 sounds better than 1.5, maybe. 1.5 is like, 1 and a half, so not quite 1, and not quite 2 either |
| 02:43.17 | asg | fuag: no, debian is at a healthy 3.1 and we have the biggest knob around |
| 02:43.38 | doub | fuag: whereas 5.0 is, "a lot has been leart from the 4 previous ones" |
| 02:43.50 | dave_889 | how do I search for file on my DVD archives that where created when installing ?? |
| 02:43.51 | Darryl | asg, resiak, empty, thanks... Everything went smoothly. |
| 02:44.03 | asg | Darryl: cool |
| 02:44.06 | resiak | Darryl: Fantastic. |
| 02:44.14 | solemnwarning | back |
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| 02:44.16 | Darryl | I love Debian... |
| 02:44.16 | doub | fuag: trying to be as stupid as a salesman is fun ;) |
| 02:44.27 | resiak | !overfiendsphallus |
| 02:44.27 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 02:44.31 | Darryl | Debian on the Server, Ubuntu on the Desktop... Nice combination. |
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| 02:44.51 | doub | Darryl: debian on the desktop is nice too |
| 02:44.58 | asg | so is OpenBSD |
| 02:45.04 | Darryl | doub, I've been considering going for that for a little while |
| 02:45.14 | solemnwarning | liable: i already have both of thos packages |
| 02:45.23 | doub | Darryl: after all, ubuntu is just debian without all the good ideas behind |
| 02:45.27 | sk2 | does anyone know a good guide to setting up a pcmcia wireless network card in debian? |
| 02:45.34 | inetd | i am downloading "debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso" is this sarge? |
| 02:45.34 | Darryl | doub, lol, why do you say that? |
| 02:45.36 | doub | Darryl: and a different release "policy" |
| 02:45.43 | nevyn-fn2 | sk2: what do you want it to do? |
| 02:45.44 | chealer | asg: hahaha :) |
| 02:45.55 | resiak | inetd: Yes. |
| 02:46.04 | Darryl | Well, they've put together a nice package. |
| 02:46.05 | resiak | nevyn-fn2: "Work"? |
| 02:46.14 | liable | solemnwarning: whats 'lpr /etc/fstab' do? |
| 02:46.15 | inetd | ic |
| 02:46.19 | resiak | !ic |
| 02:46.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, ic is (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or Integrated Circuit or "I see" for MORONS who are too lazy to type properly (I C) |
| 02:46.25 | Darryl | Anyways, I gotta run. Thanks again. |
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| 02:46.29 | sk2 | yeah pretty much resiak |
| 02:46.30 | CasaNova_ | ARRGH I have been killing myself trying to get my Plextor DVD burner to burn CDs I tried old kernels, new kernels, scsi emul, I forogot I had an external 6 speed cdr and I jsut plugged it in and it burns fine, slow but fine. I can take my time and figure out why the plextor internal refuses to burn - it always fails at power calibration or with a media sense error, it doesnt like the TDK disks I think but every other burner I own loves |
| 02:46.30 | CasaNova_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.31 | nevyn-fn2 | resiak: how does it not work? |
| 02:46.31 | doub | Darryl: because the strengh of debian is in its numerous boring but nonetheless required policies, which ubuntu doesn't have |
| 02:46.33 | solemnwarning | n output |
| 02:46.36 | solemnwarning | *no |
| 02:46.42 | nevyn-fn2 | resiak: do you have wireless-tools installed? |
| 02:46.47 | resiak | nevyn-fn2: I'm not the one asking the question!! |
| 02:46.49 | doub | well, too late |
| 02:46.49 | inetd | does everyone like the new sarge netinstall or woody netinstall? |
| 02:46.53 | sk2 | lol |
| 02:46.57 | nevyn-fn2 | ah. |
| 02:47.00 | sk2 | I'm the one needing help with the wireless card |
| 02:47.04 | nevyn-fn2 | bleh |
| 02:47.12 | nevyn-fn2 | sorry.. just woke up ;) |
| 02:47.12 | asg | inetd: the sarge install is quite an improvement |
| 02:47.13 | doub | inetd: do you like coffee with or without sugar? |
| 02:47.14 | fuag | lol.. how does someone manage to write an application completely in java and have it only be compatable with 1 os... |
| 02:47.21 | CasaNova_ | Hewy I have a NET install question - I I have a laptop with wireless and a net install cd can it use the wireless card to isntall ? |
| 02:47.21 | resiak | !tell inetd -about bad polls |
| 02:47.24 | jdhutchin1 | fuag, most likely paths |
| 02:47.24 | liable | solemnwarning: can you paste the output of smbclient -L to flood? |
| 02:47.26 | zinx | fuag: it's actually pretty eas |
| 02:47.29 | zinx | fuag: easy |
| 02:47.35 | dave_889 | Where are the archives that are created for dvd data ???? |
| 02:47.37 | zinx | fuag: java's nowhere near as portable as it was intended to be |
| 02:47.39 | asg | fuag: because 'write once, run anywhere' is something that only occurs in dreams. |
| 02:47.55 | inetd | resiak: dun tell me dam right ;) |
| 02:48.01 | jdhutchin1 | asg, a properly written java program is portable, but it's easy to not write it properly |
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| 02:48.04 | nevyn-fn2 | fuag: import * from mfc.microsoft |
| 02:48.05 | sk2 | CasaNova_: i thought it said on the net cd install download page? |
| 02:48.14 | af_ | nay hdsl adapter with a driver in debian/linux? |
| 02:48.15 | asg | jdhutchin1: so is a c or shell program |
| 02:48.17 | nevyn-fn2 | sk2: do you have wireless-tools installed |
| 02:48.17 | nevyn-fn2 | ? |
| 02:48.18 | fuag | zinx: asg: does that mean that they are horribly horrible program you mean? ^ ^ |
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| 02:48.34 | sk2 | nevyn-fn2: not yet, I'm installing 2.6 now |
| 02:48.38 | asg | fuag: the last real java programming I did was pre 1.0 (that was horrible.) |
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| 02:48.52 | CasaNova_ | sk2 : sorry dont have web page open , just asking if anyone tried it. I have an old laptop and a wireless card thought id give it a go- once I'm ready to I'll read more but it would help knowig oterhs did it :-) |
| 02:48.58 | nevyn-fn2 | asg: swing is kinda nice.. the bugs are just awefull. |
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| 02:49.10 | resiak | CasaNova_: Short answer: maybe. Longer answer, if your card's drivers are in the Debian kernels, it should Just Work. If not, you'll have to juggle things and/or build packages in advance, and ... do you have a wired lan handy? |
| 02:49.12 | crud | so i assume since im running 2.6.11 udev is useless right now? |
| 02:49.19 | resiak | crud: Are you running Sid? |
| 02:49.23 | crud | yup |
| 02:49.30 | resiak | crud: Should you be running Sid? |
| 02:49.40 | ridgerunner | anyone have any experience with netgear FA411 (new linux user here) |
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| 02:49.42 | nevyn-fn2 | resiak: assuming that his wireless network is the one the card associates with. |
| 02:49.45 | resiak | crud: Anyway, just downgrade to Etch's udev. |
| 02:49.51 | asg | nevyn-fn2: yeah, if I have to do GUI coding now, python + gtk (or shell + zenity (for very light stuff)) is all that is necessary. |
| 02:49.53 | CasaNova_ | resiak: Yes wireless lan working and card tested in windows laptop. HAve old toshiba laptop and 802.11b card |
| 02:50.00 | resiak | nevyn-fn2: Oh, please, you're making my head hurt |
| 02:50.11 | sk2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.12 | crud | resiak, why cause i have a problem ? youve never had to ask for help? |
| 02:50.14 | resiak | CasaNova_: Working in Windows proves _nothing_. What kind of card is it? |
| 02:50.35 | silensius | asg: how must i do in bash terminal pls |
| 02:50.58 | resiak | crud: Did I say that? Anyway, yes, Etch's udev should still work. |
| 02:50.59 | CasaNova_ | resiak : Oh I know I jsut meant I know card works electronically is all (heck 3 weeks trying to get a Plextor dvd to burna cd has taught me "working in windows" means nada :-) |
| 02:51.08 | asg | silensius: unzip *.zip (or just type 'cd /dir/o/zips ; for i in *.zip ; do unzip $i ; done') |
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| 02:51.16 | nlindblad | hello folks |
| 02:51.21 | crud | resiak, u said should u be running sid? |
| 02:51.22 | resiak | asg: Nice use of "just" |
| 02:51.28 | nevyn-fn2 | sk2: umm they kindof are; they're just often involve more, stuffing around. |
| 02:51.29 | CasaNova_ | resiak: It's a SanDisk Connect plus with 128 MB disk as well. |
| 02:51.58 | sk2 | nevyn-fn2: ah ok, i was just going by what the web page said |
| 02:52.00 | asg | resiak: ;) |
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| 02:52.03 | CasaNova_ | it fits a compac flash adn has a pcmcia adaptor, got it for dirt cheap on slickdeals or soemthing.... |
| 02:52.07 | resiak | crud: Yes, I did. Dealing with new packages with broken deps is par for the course in Sid, and downgrading/pinning things is the standard solution. |
| 02:52.07 | nlindblad | is there some clever way to make aliases for my computers in my home network (running own DNS with BIND9) |
| 02:52.12 | fuag | um.. once i run make-jpkg where does it put the file? |
| 02:52.18 | fuag | whoa |
| 02:52.19 | fuag | nvm |
| 02:52.20 | fuag | my bad |
| 02:52.21 | asg | gah, it's getting close to bob2 time |
| 02:52.22 | sk2 | nlindblad: isn't there a #bind channel? |
| 02:52.28 | asg | sk2: #dns |
| 02:52.31 | nlindblad | sk2, yeah, 1 person in it |
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| 02:52.33 | crud | resiak, heh i probably shouldnt be running sid anyway im no programmer |
| 02:52.36 | dave_889 | WOuld anyone be able to help me find files on my DVD. |
| 02:52.42 | nlindblad | asg, I'll try, thanks |
| 02:53.00 | dave_889 | direct apt to the archive |
| 02:53.01 | TheAsp | nlindblad: /etc/hosts is the easiest way |
| 02:53.09 | CasaNova_ | resiak: I don;t use the gnu typist app nearly enough - I coudl never code for alinving I'd be fighting typing erros for 8 hours after every 1 hour of typing! |
| 02:53.29 | nlindblad | TheAsp, then I'll have to change it on all machines ? |
| 02:53.30 | resiak | crud: Anyway, enough, sorry. It's 0353, I'm cranky and there have been hundreds of questions about udev, X and KDE in Sid (all of which are screwed to varying degrees). I'd recommend using Etch to save headaches. |
| 02:53.54 | ridgerunner | I need a hand I am trying to load debian 3.1 I can not get my netgear fa411 PCMCIA card to work, I need a driver but am unsure how to load it into my install |
| 02:54.01 | crud | resiak, thx bro |
| 02:54.14 | resiak | CasaNova_: Try switching to the Dvorak keyboard layout --- then you'll realise how well you actually can type qwerty :) |
| 02:54.15 | TheAsp | nlindblad: rdist? |
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| 02:54.24 | CasaNova_ | resiak : HA! |
| 02:54.26 | crud | resiak, rock the casbah |
| 02:54.35 | dave_889 | This channel is for help or for social bum humping |
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| 02:54.50 | resiak | crud: Best of luck making it all work. |
| 02:54.51 | sk2 | ? |
| 02:55.02 | resiak | dave_889: A bit of both, but mainly the former. |
| 02:55.10 | resiak | dave_889: apt-cd |
| 02:55.14 | dave_889 | thats what I thought |
| 02:55.20 | resiak | !fuck dave_889 |
| 02:55.23 | dave_889 | thats it |
| 02:55.27 | doub | crud: yeah, i must say i totally agree with resiak. just installed etch out of boredom from sid's apps numerous crashes, and the now the birds sing again |
| 02:55.30 | dave_889 | these files are huge |
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| 02:56.46 | ashridah | anyone happen to know the deb-src entry for experimental? deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main doesn't seem to do the trick... |
| 02:56.47 | crud | i just may do that i can downgrade to etch no hassle eh? |
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| 02:57.00 | doub | crud: the downside being that you don't have all the magical sid get-your-hands-dirty tools, which are not specifically for programmers but for people that know what they're doing |
| 02:57.10 | resiak | ashridah: You shouldn't be using experimental if you have to ask... |
| 02:57.19 | resiak | doub: What's missing from Etch? |
| 02:57.28 | ashridah | resiak: i know how to use experimental, thanks. |
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| 02:57.44 | resiak | crud: Not really, no ... you can point your sources.list at etch and wait for it to catch up. |
| 02:57.53 | crud | doub : yeah i try to learn the hard way by fixing problems but this ones got me stumped |
| 02:57.56 | ridgerunner | I am right at the detect network hardware screen, I am just unsure how to setup the flopply...anyone? |
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| 02:58.34 | doub | crud: downgrading is a PITA. but 'dpkg --get-selections > packages.list' from sid, then install base etch, 'dpkg --set-selections < packages.list && apt-get upgrade' and you'll have quite the same apps, maybe some dependencies problems but nothing really that bad |
| 02:58.38 | dave_889 | you meant apt-cdrom |
| 02:58.47 | resiak | dave_889: I did, my bad. |
| 02:58.59 | crud | reinstalling is not an option |
| 02:59.08 | fuag | anyone know the url to id's ftp server, its the only place i know to get the doom3 installer from... |
| 02:59.14 | fuag | yet they dont mention it at all on thier site |
| 02:59.17 | fuag | sorta shady |
| 02:59.29 | doub | resiak: i can't point precisely one example, but i remember i had several little tools missing in sarge once it was still testing, the kind of "always broken but nonetheless very useful" |
| 02:59.47 | buu | ftp.idsoftware.com |
| 02:59.49 | zinx | fuag: zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969, and/or ftp.idsoftware.com |
| 02:59.49 | crud | i know java but debian aint no java |
| 02:59.57 | doub | resiak: so i guess etch has the same problem, but i'm new to etch, just 1 day old |
| 03:00.00 | zinx | fuag: the former is a bittorrent tracker |
| 03:00.40 | resiak | doub: Fair enough. |
| 03:00.43 | asg | crud: java runs just fine on debian. It can't be distributed due to licensing issues. |
| 03:00.58 | asg | resiak: night |
| 03:01.13 | doub | crud: with what i told you, it's not much of a reinstall but rather a PITA-less downgrade |
| 03:01.18 | zinx | crud: i hope you're using java-package |
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| 03:01.34 | crud | asg i know i use java in debian i just meant knowing java doesnt help me debug debian thats all |
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| 03:02.47 | wolaopa | is there a group to discuss program development in X-Window, C/C++? |
| 03:02.48 | tvakah | crud, I successfully down/up graded from ubuntu hoary to sid, not that hard really... |
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| 03:03.05 | asg | wolaopa: #xfree86, #c |
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| 03:03.20 | dagnabbit | kdelibs4: Depends: libaspell15 (>= 0.60) but it is not installable .. is there a fix for this? |
| 03:03.28 | asg | dagnabbit: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:03.28 | WiFiTux | ok, I did my homework with the clone and dual head. I got dual head working, but that is not what I want. |
| 03:03.29 | wolaopa | asg, thks, i'll go take a look. |
| 03:03.34 | nlindblad | would it be stupid to host an mirroring of my apt-get source on a machine in the local network for fast acess to packages? |
| 03:03.36 | crud | doub: thx im going to stick with sid and tough it out i wont ask any more stupid questions i swear heh |
| 03:03.53 | WiFiTux | I can tell xorg.conf which output to use, but how cna i tell it to use S-Video? |
| 03:03.53 | inetd | whats the testing called now? |
| 03:03.58 | asg | inetd: etch |
| 03:03.58 | WiFiTux | etch |
| 03:04.04 | tvakah | dagnabbit, if you want to stay on sid, add testing to your sources.list at least so you can install the old aspell packages that kde needs |
| 03:04.06 | crud | sorry to all who hate sid noobs |
| 03:04.06 | asg | nlindblad: it's usually easier just to setup a proxy |
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| 03:04.17 | tvakah | dagnabbit, but as a fresh install, use testing... |
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| 03:05.10 | romulo | is libaspell15c2 broken? |
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| 03:05.17 | romulo | to install gaim i need it, to install it i need to remove kde |
| 03:05.18 | romulo | =P |
| 03:05.18 | asg | romulo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:05.23 | asg | romulo: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:05.25 | nlindblad | asg, is that when all package-request go through one machine that collects them so that the same package is never obtained from an external source more than once? |
| 03:05.33 | asg | nlindblad: yes |
| 03:05.44 | nlindblad | asg, that would be handy |
| 03:05.54 | asg | nlindblad: apt-get install squid |
| 03:06.10 | nlindblad | asg, how much harddrive space would it requier? |
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| 03:06.49 | asg | nlindblad: it depends on what you install. Also, apt-proxy might be worth a look depending on your requirements. |
| 03:06.50 | rking | why does dpkg-scansources give the "Packages in archive but missing from override file: ..." warning? |
| 03:07.08 | dagnabbit | tvakah, i'll give the testing package a go |
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| 03:07.37 | dagnabbit | asg: that particular problem with kdelibs4 hasn't been listed on the bts yet.. im sure it will get fixed soon enough though |
| 03:07.38 | tvakah | dagnabbit, it should work for you, I've had aspell on hold for a week or two now... |
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| 03:07.46 | asg | dagnabbit: it has |
| 03:08.00 | nlindblad | asg, I have a machine that end up being online very frequently |
| 03:08.07 | asg | dagnabbit: look at the libaspell and/or gaim packages |
| 03:08.36 | rking | oh, man... i got it. |
| 03:08.40 | doub | nlindblad: apt-proxy seems to be what you want |
| 03:08.45 | nlindblad | asg, with about 100GiB free space |
| 03:08.49 | nlindblad | ok |
| 03:08.58 | dagnabbit | apt-get install testing/libaspell ? |
| 03:09.02 | asg | nlindblad: that should be more than enough |
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| 03:09.21 | asg | dagnabbit: no, if you need a previous sid package, /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 03:09.53 | asg | dagnabbit: the bug will be fixed in sid but it will take a little time due to the c++ abi transition. |
| 03:10.09 | nlindblad | asg, I guess the space is needed in /var/cache/apt |
| 03:10.15 | tvn | is there any Debian package for something like an Environment switching ? for example sometimes I want to use the pgi compiler, gcc, intel etc ... so want quick way to switch the env's |
| 03:10.45 | asg | nlindblad: it depends on the proxy in use, squid uses /var/spool/squid |
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| 03:10.53 | doub | tvn: write a wrapper script maybe? |
| 03:10.54 | fuag | !beer me |
| 03:11.08 | asg | nlindblad: but any directory can be symlinked to one on a larger filesystem. |
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| 03:11.19 | nlindblad | asg, yeah |
| 03:11.21 | Smoked1 | what package should i install to get the php apache module, phpcli, etc? |
| 03:11.47 | doub | nlindblad: you can also mount a partition on /var/cache/apt-proxy (not /var/cache/apt/) |
| 03:11.57 | asg | Smoked1: libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 03:12.07 | asg | Smoked1: libapache2-mod-php4 (if you use apache2) |
| 03:12.18 | Smoked1 | asg: will that install the cli? |
| 03:12.18 | dagnabbit | asg: c++ abi transition? :) |
| 03:12.36 | asg | Smoked1: no, the cli package is in php4-cli |
| 03:12.44 | asg | Smoked1: sorr, php4-cgi |
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| 03:12.53 | wolaopa | asg, #c is busy but #xfree is quite empty. any better group for X programming? |
| 03:13.07 | nlindblad | asg, playing around trying out differend networking solutions is fun ;) |
| 03:13.08 | Smoked1 | if I install the php4 pacage will that install everything and the cli? |
| 03:13.16 | asg | dagnabbit: at the bottom the the bug report for #317743 |
| 03:13.43 | asg | wolaopa: not that I know of. freedesktop.org might have some pointers though. |
| 03:13.46 | doub | dagnabbit: the way the C++ compiler encodes method names in C++ object file, aka the Application Binary Interface (ABI) |
| 03:14.11 | wolaopa | asg, ok, thks. |
| 03:14.17 | asg | nlindblad: yes, that it is. |
| 03:14.19 | Frozen-Solid | how do you create a user via the command line? |
| 03:14.26 | asg | Frozen-Solid: adduser(8) |
| 03:14.36 | Frozen-Solid | gee. now i feel dumb i tried everything but that. |
| 03:14.40 | doub | dagnabbit: which changed with g++ 4 AFAIK, which just entered sid |
| 03:15.05 | asg | Frozen-Solid: useradd and vipw are other options |
| 03:15.16 | WiFiTux | ttyl |
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| 03:15.20 | tofm__ | Got any advice on how to deal with problems accessing a cd drive? |
| 03:15.21 | asg | Frozen-Solid: adduser is usually easier for most people though. |
| 03:15.22 | chmeee | ok, hopefully last question: on the install CD when setting up my primary network interface, when I first selected my wireless device, it brought up a dialog to configure it... Where can I get that dialog? |
| 03:15.30 | nlindblad | asg, one of my servers seems to be missing it's /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 03:15.39 | doub | chmeee: you can't |
| 03:15.41 | nlindblad | asg, anyway to fix? |
| 03:15.43 | Frozen-Solid | asg: ah. i was like 'Creatuser', 'newuser', 'user -add' |
| 03:15.46 | asg | chmeee: install etherconf |
| 03:15.47 | doub | chmeee: unless you reinstall |
| 03:15.52 | chmeee | doub: oh, ok |
| 03:15.52 | asg | Frozen-Solid: :) |
| 03:15.58 | chmeee | asg: I did |
| 03:16.05 | chmeee | asg: it doesn't give a way to configure the WEP key |
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| 03:16.26 | asg | nlindblad: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
| 03:16.29 | wolaopa | can anyone recommend some forums for X programming? |
| 03:16.32 | Frozen-Solid | god i'm such a newb :( i'm so addicted to GUIs and whatnot... it's weird learning linux when youd ont have access to X |
| 03:16.37 | rob_lt | chmeee, see /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:16.40 | asg | chmeee: oh, then read wireless(7) |
| 03:16.45 | Frozen-Solid | bitchx for instance makes my head hurt |
| 03:16.54 | nlindblad | asg, maybe I should just reinstall it |
| 03:16.58 | TheAsp | wolaopa: x as in xt? or some real widget set? |
| 03:17.03 | asg | chmeee: it has examples and also iwconfig(8) |
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| 03:17.35 | tofm__ | Frozen-Solid: Go to tldp.org and download the system administrators' guide. Free docs for newbies! It's in the book section |
| 03:17.35 | asg | nlindblad: I shouldn't think you would have to. If it bothers you, just mkdir partial/ and chmod/chown it to what your other systems have. |
| 03:17.49 | Frozen-Solid | oh. kk thanks tofm__ |
| 03:17.56 | chmeee | ok, thanks |
| 03:18.12 | doub | Frozen-Solid: i'm so addicted to CLI and whatnot... it's so weird having to use windows or other gui crap where you don't have any useful console |
| 03:18.17 | asg | tofm__: apt-get install doc-linux-{text,html} gets you all the tldp howtos locally |
| 03:18.22 | Frozen-Solid | i've been using linux for about 3 years now, but with mandrake and i'm mainly a gui user -- now i'm learning debian by using it on my GameCube, with no x server yet |
| 03:18.48 | Frozen-Solid | doub: i love the console, and i use it for a lot of things... but when it comes to sys admin stuff i'm very addicted to x |
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| 03:19.01 | tato | is there a license that prohibits the use of software on proprietary operating systems? |
| 03:19.07 | Frozen-Solid | like Mandrake's package manager is SOOO much easier to work with than apt-get from command line trying to figure out package names of what i need |
| 03:19.10 | tofm__ | asg: Yeah, but if you only want one recent thing, you can still get each separately. |
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| 03:19.13 | asg | Frozen-Solid: also, you can get O'Reilly's openbook series for download or online viewing at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
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| 03:19.23 | asg | tofm__: *nod* |
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| 03:19.47 | Frozen-Solid | there we go, now i have a non-root user on my gamecube linux install. i feel safer now 8) |
| 03:19.48 | jdhutchin1 | Frozen-Solid, synaptic? |
| 03:19.56 | Frozen-Solid | jdhutchin1: huh? |
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| 03:20.06 | dave_889 | mandrake doesn't have a downgrade oprion |
| 03:20.08 | tofm__ | Hey- I just installed Sarge on an old Dell Latitude Cpi, and it takes forever to access the CD drive. Any suggestions? |
| 03:20.11 | drcode | HI all |
| 03:20.16 | dave_889 | or any other goodies |
| 03:20.18 | jdhutchin1 | Frozen-Solid, it's debian's gui frontend to apt-get |
| 03:20.21 | drcode | any one know fax/voice client server for linux? |
| 03:20.24 | asg | tofm__: 2.6 or 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:20.28 | Frozen-Solid | jdhutchin1: i dont have X with my debian setup |
| 03:20.30 | tofm__ | 2.6 |
| 03:20.36 | doub | Frozen-Solid: apt-get and apt-cache together are perfect for the job. granted, they won't save a few repeated keystrokes, but aren't we living in a world where we lack sport practice? |
| 03:20.38 | Frozen-Solid | i'm running debian on my GameCube, and they haven't ported X to it yet |
| 03:20.49 | asg | tofm__: hmmm, never had that issue. Do you get the same symptom with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:20.50 | tictac | X is overrated |
| 03:20.56 | nlindblad | asg, will I "feel" a difference if I put up an HTTP-proxy? |
| 03:20.57 | Frozen-Solid | so i'm learning command line from scratch and it's fun :D |
| 03:21.13 | Frozen-Solid | it's like the first time i was forced touse windows with no mouse support and had to take a crash course in keyboard commands |
| 03:21.15 | asg | tictac: X is useful for providing more screen real estate for xterms than console. |
| 03:21.18 | metaperl | excuse me, I have run the command "apt-get source hat-ghc6" ... this d/l'ed the source to hat-2.02... now I want to know where and how to run dpkg-buildpackage in order to rebuild this package from source (after I apply a patch) |
| 03:21.20 | doub | Frozen-Solid: if you're so GUI or( TUI for that matter) addict, aptitude might be good for you |
| 03:21.20 | tofm__ | I've used some live cd's- knoppix and such, and they don't have this problem. |
| 03:21.35 | Frozen-Solid | doub: yes. but i have no x. i have no gui available in this distro |
| 03:21.51 | Frozen-Solid | GC-Linux has no gui or x support as of yet |
| 03:22.08 | asg | nlindblad: it depends on how many machines will access the proxy. If you have 50+ you will see a difference and be a good network citizen. |
| 03:22.09 | tofm__ | I've tried the boot time idecd=nodma, but it doesn't help |
| 03:22.16 | Frozen-Solid | it's a stripped down debian unstable |
| 03:22.23 | nlindblad | asg, I have 3 machines |
| 03:22.35 | asg | nlindblad: then I'd probably not bother with a proxy |
| 03:22.45 | nlindblad | asg, just playing |
| 03:22.47 | asg | nlindblad: if you want to set one up for educational purposes, however, feel free. |
| 03:22.48 | doub | Frozen-Solid: if it has framebuffer, it might have x through the directfb x server, but it's quite like pre-alpha AFAIK |
| 03:22.51 | nlindblad | asg, I'll try it |
| 03:22.54 | asg | :) |
| 03:23.51 | Frozen-Solid | it's JUST now getting sdl and directfb support |
| 03:23.52 | Frozen-Solid | so X is coming soon |
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| 03:27.09 | doub | Frozen-Solid: debian-reference might be of some help for a better command line experience ;) |
| 03:27.23 | doub | Frozen-Solid: just install the package of that name or see qref.sf.net |
| 03:27.33 | Frozen-Solid | cool. |
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| 03:31.21 | nlindblad | it would be cool to put up an internal mirror anyway |
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| 03:31.31 | azreal | hey all, whats the deal with non-us.debian.org now? |
| 03:31.34 | nlindblad | apt-get in 10Mbyte/s |
| 03:31.39 | nevyn | does anyone know of an automated tool for mapping WAN's? |
| 03:32.19 | nevyn | something with a combination of ping, traceroute and nmap is the sort of thing I had in mind. |
| 03:34.18 | rob_lt | azreal, I don't think non-us exists anymore |
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| 03:34.30 | witless | hi. i'm using gnome 2.10 from debian unstable. how do i add a folder to the "bookmarks" menu? |
| 03:34.32 | rob_lt | azreal, see /topic |
| 03:34.32 | dagnabbit | has anyone read the bts for libaspell15c2? its a classic.. "fuck off and go run gentoo or something" |
| 03:34.35 | deadcat | rob_lt: /topic |
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| 03:34.55 | deadcat | dagnabbit: link me |
| 03:35.07 | azreal | ahh, i see now. |
| 03:35.10 | dagnabbit | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317873 |
| 03:35.53 | dagnabbit | people are whining about the recent package change from libaspell15 to libaspell15c2.. which has broken things for weeks |
| 03:36.13 | azreal | rob_lt: where can i read about this change, any ideas? |
| 03:36.17 | concept10 | Anyone know of a good blogging application ? |
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| 03:36.59 | doub | rob_lt: what? US has taken over the world ? ;) |
| 03:37.03 | wolaopa | i am starting to program in c under x-window. my search for a suitable development environment has come up with X Window Programming Environment (xwpe) which is available as a debian package. this came up on a cold search. just want to know whether this is what most people use? are there better alternatives? |
| 03:37.15 | rob_lt | azreal, doub: I don't know personally. I never used non-us, and only know from the topic |
| 03:37.49 | azreal | hmm |
| 03:37.52 | chmeee | alright, sweet... firewall is now setup |
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| 03:38.46 | deadcat | dagnabbit: those are true fuckers. i mean if they call maintainers idiots. they should build it themselves and stop bitching like whores. |
| 03:38.48 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:38.51 | doub | rob_lt: well, that was just a stupid joke, but yes, non-us has gone as it was just set-up for crypto software that wasn't allowed to be exported from US, but this restriction has been taken away since |
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| 03:39.32 | nlindblad | how would apache with PHP do on a Pentium Classic with 64M RAM? |
| 03:39.44 | nevyn | nlindblad: with what sort of load? |
| 03:40.02 | liable | solemnwarning: you still awake? |
| 03:40.05 | dagnabbit | deadcat, in any case.. retorting things like "its called unstable for a reason" is childish.. especially when for years unstable has been mostly useable, and problems have been fixed within days.. this one is a deliberate breakage, that has gone on for weeks now |
| 03:40.06 | nevyn | nlindblad: it'd work ok. under light load. I would think |
| 03:40.33 | nevyn | dagnabbit: which breakage? |
| 03:40.42 | deadcat | nevyn: works fine |
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| 03:40.58 | rob_lt | doub: what was "just a stupid joke"? I'm not sure I follow. |
| 03:40.59 | dagnabbit | nevyn: libaspell15 -> libaspell15c2 package name change |
| 03:41.45 | nevyn | deadcat: as long as you're not doing a massive drupal site. |
| 03:41.53 | rob_lt | doub: never mind, you were referring to what you said about taking over the world... got it :) |
| 03:41.56 | nevyn | deadcat: it depends on load and how big the applications are. |
| 03:42.01 | doub | rob_lt: you said that non-us is no more, so i went to the conclusion that US must have taken over the whole world, for non-US countries not to be anymore |
| 03:42.14 | rob_lt | doub: yeah, sorry, I missed that at first |
| 03:42.40 | at0m | doub, no, the us lifted export restriction on encryption stuff |
| 03:42.53 | at0m | before, people outside had to get it outside |
| 03:43.00 | doub | at0m: i know, i know, that was (again), just a stupid joke |
| 03:43.06 | at0m | oh :o |
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| 03:44.35 | doub | well, here in france we often say that jokes don't cross boundaries, seems like true ;) |
| 03:44.49 | fuag | alright, this is freaking me out... the blender website has been down for like a month... anyone have any word on whats happening wiht it, i use blender a lot |
| 03:45.16 | azreal | doub: how was the restriction taken away? sorry, but i have been out of the loop for a while. |
| 03:45.40 | doub | azreal: i guess the law changed, as it was a pretty dummy one |
| 03:45.48 | rob_lt | witless: try creating a ~/.gtk-bookmarks file, and within it, add entries like file:///YOURPATH |
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| 03:46.16 | azreal | doub: well, im satisfied i guess, nothing seems to be broken after an update i did, so i will just removve that source from my list. |
| 03:46.17 | chealer | dagnabbit: its called unstable for a reason |
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| 03:47.03 | fuag | no one knows what happened to blender |
| 03:47.03 | doub | azreal: the PGP guys defeated it by printing the PGP source code on paper. as source code is free speech, it was allowed to cross boundaries, and then OCRized (or so we're told) the text to compile it outside US |
| 03:47.12 | fuag | it just sorta went poof like 30 days ago |
| 03:47.23 | buu | Is stty -F /dev/ttyS0 -crtscts hardware flow control or software flow control? |
| 03:47.32 | doub | azreal: yeah, see what topic says about it, but i guess it's safe to remove |
| 03:47.56 | rob_lt | witless: hrmmm.... or maybe noe |
| 03:48.00 | rob_lt | *not even |
| 03:48.22 | azreal | doub: cool, thanx for the info ;) |
| 03:48.24 | chealer | dagnabbit: it's funny that you talk about weeks and link to a 3 days old bug |
| 03:48.47 | chealer | dagnabbit: in any case, ever heard of stable and testing? |
| 03:48.59 | chealer | you know, those things you're supposed run |
| 03:49.02 | chmeee | asg: thanks for your help with my setup... normally I'm pretty good, but haven't even touched debian in 4 years, and wanted to keep it relatively normal, so I wouldn't have to change hacks when I update |
| 03:49.10 | chealer | s/run/to run |
| 03:49.13 | dagnabbit | chealer, what you mean those ancient things that are crappy and outdated? ;) |
| 03:49.14 | buu | Anyone have an idea how to turn on the proper flow control? |
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| 03:49.36 | chealer | dagnabbit: yeah, I'm sure distrowatch would agree about how etch is outdated |
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| 03:50.49 | dagnabbit | chealer, im just stirring.. if it really bothered me i could've pinned the problem packages, but instead i installed them anyway |
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| 03:52.01 | banedon | ok |
| 03:52.05 | banedon | where is doom for debina |
| 03:52.08 | banedon | debian |
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| 03:52.18 | banedon | I found a wad and a engien but cant start it |
| 03:52.20 | banedon | unfound |
| 03:52.32 | banedon | how do i update there whereis database again? |
| 03:52.44 | chealer | dagnabbit: I'm not sure what stirring means in that context (despite my dictionary), but it doesn't sound like something useful |
| 03:53.08 | dagnabbit | banedon, apt-cache search doom .. updatedb, read the docco |
| 03:53.10 | chealer | what's unfound? |
| 03:53.57 | jme | since the topic has been set since tuesday... are xorg and gcc 4 working by now? |
| 03:54.36 | chealer | gcc4 has been working since a while |
| 03:54.36 | dagnabbit | well im running xorg and gcc 4.. just forget about k3b for the moment :P |
| 03:55.01 | dagnabbit | and numerous other things that i dont particularly care about |
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| 03:55.31 | chealer | according to complaints X.org seems to be working at some level |
| 03:55.46 | jme | ah |
| 03:55.48 | nlindblad | wget http://mirror.local/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.1.tar.bz2 is fast ;) |
| 03:55.58 | jme | ... |
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| 03:57.00 | chealer | of course, it wouldn't hurt if X.org would build on about the half remaining arches |
| 03:57.15 | nlindblad | 10.72M/s is pretty good for my internal mirror |
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| 03:57.33 | chealer | jme: since you're asking about sid packages, you did check the BTS already, right? |
| 03:57.33 | SDFH_Linux | has 2.6.12 made it to unstable yet? |
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| 03:57.47 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: why don't you monitor incoming or pdo? |
| 03:57.55 | nlindblad | downloading the complete distfiles directory for gentoo (40GiB) of the net |
| 03:58.08 | jme | chealer: i was about to, just curious why they were still in the topic though |
| 03:58.10 | nlindblad | SDFH_Linux, 2.6.12.2 is latest stable |
| 03:58.28 | SDFH_Linux | where can i get it? |
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| 03:58.37 | RogueDopple | steal it |
| 03:58.42 | nlindblad | SDFH_Linux, ftp.kernel.org |
| 03:59.08 | chealer | jme: /topic reads "gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage!" |
| 03:59.17 | chealer | jme: not that gcc4 is broken itself |
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| 03:59.52 | nlindblad | SDFH_Linux, it appears like 2.6.12.3 is the latest stable ;) |
| 04:00.08 | chealer | I mean, this is sid. it should be expected to be broken. I couldn't explain why sid status would be relevant to #debian |
| 04:00.14 | nlindblad | SDFH_Linux, ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.3.tar.bz2 |
| 04:00.15 | chealer | ...'s topic though |
| 04:00.20 | SDFH_Linux | easy to upgrade? |
| 04:00.27 | nlindblad | SDFH_Linux, hell no |
| 04:00.33 | JeffH | what network is irc.debian.org part of? |
| 04:00.44 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 04:00.48 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:00.54 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: why do you need 2.6.12? |
| 04:00.57 | SDFH_Linux | i wait for the easy deb fiile then |
| 04:01.00 | nlindblad | SDFH_Linux, or, depends on what you're running now |
| 04:01.02 | SDFH_Linux | bored |
| 04:01.04 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 04:01.11 | SDFH_Linux | running 2.6.11-smp |
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| 04:01.31 | chealer | JeffH: it redirects to freenode. see http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
| 04:01.32 | nlindblad | SDFH_Linux, I run 2.6.10 or something on my Debian machines and 2.6.11 on my Gentoo machines |
| 04:01.55 | SDFH_Linux | kk |
| 04:02.03 | hyde | i switched my exim to use maildir and to deliver to ~/Maildir -- what would be the proper way to set the $MAIL env variable for all users; i set QMAIL=Maildir/ in login.def but it doesn't seem to do anything; i had thought this would be the right place to put it, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. of course i could alter /etc/pam.d/ssh or stick an export MAIL line into /etc/profile but what would be the correct way of doing this? |
| 04:02.06 | mjohnson | Is there any way to list all packages in the archive that depend on package X? |
| 04:02.14 | JeffH | chealer: thanks. |
| 04:02.21 | mjohnson | I'm looking for example source that demonstrates the use of X library. |
| 04:02.56 | chealer | mjohnson: try apt-rdepends |
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| 04:04.58 | kalepos | how do you update the cache debian uses to search for programs? |
| 04:05.12 | chealer | zinx: how much does 2.6 claim to be stable? |
| 04:05.31 | mjohnson | chealer: thanks. my obscure library, it appears, is a leaf ;) |
| 04:05.39 | mjohnson | no sample code for me! |
| 04:05.45 | Smoked1 | kalepos: apt-get update ... i think |
| 04:05.45 | chealer | kalepos: as in, APT's cache (apt-get update)? |
| 04:05.46 | Smoked1 | :) |
| 04:06.22 | mjohnson | chealer: btw it's apt-rdepends -r package-name |
| 04:06.30 | mjohnson | you need the -r |
| 04:06.40 | Smoked1 | I love the way apt does not break things |
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| 04:06.47 | chealer | mjohnson: man always knows better than me |
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| 04:09.15 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know where i can get xpde |
| 04:09.21 | SDFH_Linux | a deb repos |
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| 04:12.52 | banedon | is there a free homepage site |
| 04:12.53 | JeffH- | Is there any real difference between the xfree86 and x.org xservers at this point? |
| 04:12.56 | banedon | that works with linux |
| 04:13.00 | banedon | for upload ing pics? |
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| 04:14.22 | tvn | your question stunned the channel - hehe |
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| 04:16.28 | SDFH_Linux | i changed to xorg i tried to compile something and it says it cant find ex how i change path? |
| 04:16.38 | SDFH_Linux | cant find X path* |
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| 04:17.18 | sk2 | If I want to install apache2 with support for php and mysql, do I have to enter a special command into apt-get? |
| 04:17.19 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: on xpde's site? |
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| 04:17.43 | chealer | sk2: no. you just install the appropriate packages |
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| 04:18.20 | SDFH_Linux | how i change the X path when compiling i switched to xorg |
| 04:18.22 | JeffH- | anyone here use kmail? I run kmail and get a segfault. This is in unstable.. |
| 04:18.27 | banedon | ok |
| 04:18.28 | chealer | banedon: what do you mean by homepage site? |
| 04:18.33 | banedon | I started plboom |
| 04:18.41 | banedon | but it said mode not supported |
| 04:18.41 | chealer | JeffH-: ask #debian-kde |
| 04:18.50 | banedon | im running intel i845 |
| 04:18.54 | banedon | 1024 |
| 04:18.56 | JeffH- | chealer: just got the answer.. thanks. |
| 04:18.56 | banedon | xwindwos |
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| 04:19.04 | banedon | how do I up the mode |
| 04:19.07 | banedon | in X |
| 04:19.11 | banedon | so plboom works |
| 04:19.23 | banedon | oh and how do I update teh whereis db |
| 04:19.24 | banedon | ? |
| 04:19.30 | chealer | JeffH-: something [in] unstable segfaults? surprise surprise... |
| 04:19.33 | deadcat | ctrl+alt+<num pad +> |
| 04:19.40 | chealer | !x windows |
| 04:19.40 | dpkg | It's X dammit!, or ask me about x windows trap. A) The X Window System. B) X |
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| 04:20.17 | SDFH_Linux | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 04:20.22 | SDFH_Linux | how i fix this? |
| 04:20.41 | banedon | hm |
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| 04:20.47 | banedon | I think I set it only for 1024 |
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| 04:20.54 | crud | i upgraded to 2.6.12 and reinstalled udev and BAM all my probs are solved(for now) |
| 04:20.58 | banedon | what about the horizontal n vert synch |
| 04:21.03 | banedon | I think doom needs 85hz |
| 04:21.07 | banedon | Im on 70 or so |
| 04:21.15 | banedon | I got new 19inch lcd I think can hadle a lot |
| 04:21.38 | banedon | box sasy 80 h 75v |
| 04:21.45 | deadcat | !tell banedon about enter |
| 04:21.56 | banedon | shit |
| 04:22.27 | chealer | JeffH-: a real difference as in difference in features/stability/usability/security? |
| 04:22.30 | sk2 | is it possible to adjust the size of a partition once I have installed debian to it (my /home directory is used way less than the rest of / ) like in partition magic? |
| 04:22.41 | banedon | maybe my lcd wont support plboom damn it shit, I am hankering to play myth2 soulblighter and I totallly wanted to instlal the demo to see if it works on linux but the demo installer failed I think due to permissions or soem shit |
| 04:23.01 | banedon | mkfs and delfs |
| 04:23.03 | JeffH- | better support for my tuner card.. |
| 04:23.03 | maher | sk2: you can try with parted - if you need to do this often / reliably use lvm |
| 04:23.06 | banedon | fsck |
| 04:23.22 | banedon | and fdisk |
| 04:23.26 | banedon | are parition tools |
| 04:23.44 | banedon | I reccomend going to undernet into #bookz |
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| 04:23.51 | banedon | and downlaod ing a good linux howto |
| 04:23.53 | banedon | :) |
| 04:23.56 | banedon | or get limewire |
| 04:23.57 | banedon | :) |
| 04:24.02 | sk2 | thanks |
| 04:24.13 | banedon | with those 3 u can do lots |
| 04:24.21 | banedon | but be careful u can wipe stuff |
| 04:24.22 | chealer | !u |
| 04:24.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 04:25.15 | skel_home | banedon: if /disco and /jazz were in a boat and /jazz fell out.. who's left? |
| 04:25.22 | chealer | hey fumbalah |
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| 04:26.12 | chealer | skel_home: that sounds like a childish french joke |
| 04:26.23 | skel | chealer: it reads like one too. |
| 04:26.33 | deadcat | how cool can a system be if the hostname is "localhost" ... sad.. |
| 04:28.10 | chealer | skel: I don't understand how it reads in english though |
| 04:28.32 | chealer | deadcat: probably debain-cool, but not gentoo-cool |
| 04:29.09 | deadcat | chealer: i just dont get it. how difficult is to think up a hostname, the default is just plain stupid. |
| 04:29.25 | maher | deadcat: i thought the default was debian |
| 04:29.32 | skel | deadcat: I find it very difficult |
| 04:29.35 | eXa_bOy | ive rebuilt my debian server this morning, P133, 64MB ram, 10 GB HDD running mysqlserver,postfix,apache&cvs :D |
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| 04:29.51 | deadcat | maher: but i am looking at some screenshot online. (= |
| 04:30.02 | Smoked1 | My hostname is suckmyballs |
| 04:30.13 | skel | deadcat: maybe he's in the host protection program |
| 04:32.05 | banedon | ok |
| 04:32.17 | banedon | does anyone here run doom or heretic or myth 2? |
| 04:32.21 | banedon | on debian |
| 04:32.21 | banedon | ? |
| 04:32.28 | deadcat | !tell banedon about enter |
| 04:32.34 | chealer | !anyone |
| 04:32.34 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:32.36 | deadcat | didnt i tell you that earlier? dammit |
| 04:33.03 | maher | banedon: lxdoom is packaged for debain |
| 04:33.14 | banedon | hmm |
| 04:33.31 | banedon | does it run under 7-mhz |
| 04:33.33 | banedon | 70 |
| 04:33.36 | banedon | monitor? |
| 04:33.38 | maher | banedon: yes |
| 04:33.56 | mud_ | banedon: stop hitting enter so much! |
| 04:34.02 | deadcat | banedon: slow the fuck down... keep your fingers off the enter button dammit |
| 04:34.03 | chealer | !heretic |
| 04:34.03 | dpkg | from memory, heretic is a person who thinks any OS superior to Debian |
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| 04:34.08 | Jacobo221 | is there any command that, given an input like "../../test/compiled" returns the absolute path "/home/user/projects/test/compiled" ? |
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| 04:35.17 | banedon | ok, I jsut ran apt-get install lxdoom and it did not work, how can I get doom for debian? I got something called plboom which is a clone and ran it, but it lock my screen with a black splash page and complaiing mode not supported 45 x85 |
| 04:35.56 | PandaKun | yo |
| 04:35.59 | PandaKun | how do i install linuxthreads? |
| 04:36.05 | PandaKun | it asksm e to install glibc |
| 04:36.06 | deadcat | apt-get install |
| 04:36.14 | PandaKun | ? |
| 04:36.19 | PandaKun | im trying to config linu |
| 04:36.31 | maher | banedon: what error |
| 04:36.49 | maher | banedon: what error from lxdoom |
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| 04:37.37 | chealer | PandaKun: libc6 is required on debian |
| 04:37.45 | PandaKun | libc6? |
| 04:37.51 | chealer | !glibc |
| 04:37.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, glibc is at http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/index.old.html. GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. |
| 04:38.00 | PandaKun | doesnt exist |
| 04:38.16 | chealer | you don't have a libc6 package? |
| 04:38.23 | deadcat | PandaKun: bullshit |
| 04:38.28 | PandaKun | lol |
| 04:38.31 | PandaKun | i dont really know |
| 04:38.36 | PandaKun | fresh debian |
| 04:38.47 | valdyn | PandaKun: are you really trying to manually compile `linuxthreads` ? |
| 04:38.51 | PandaKun | hell no |
| 04:38.52 | PandaKun | im scared |
| 04:38.52 | PandaKun | lmao |
| 04:38.53 | maher | PandaKun: you probably laready have threads in libc - what do you want to do? |
| 04:38.59 | deadcat | !tell PandaKun about enter |
| 04:39.03 | PandaKun | oh i tried to install sql |
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| 04:39.13 | valdyn | PandaKun: whatever you mean is already installed |
| 04:39.14 | maher | PandaKun: install build-essential |
| 04:39.19 | PandaKun | im installing 4.1 now =] its installing right now |
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| 04:39.35 | maher | PandaKun: if you want to build things |
| 04:39.39 | PandaKun | its building |
| 04:39.50 | Angel-SL | i need help in compiling XCHat |
| 04:40.05 | valdyn | Angel-SL: why are you trying to compile it? |
| 04:40.10 | chealer | !wayc Angel-SL |
| 04:40.11 | dpkg | Angel-SL: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 04:40.12 | Angel-SL | on Linux |
| 04:40.27 | Angel-SL | can't find |
| 04:40.38 | valdyn | !info xchat sarge |
| 04:40.44 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 258 kB, Installed size: 688 kB |
| 04:41.05 | Angel-SL | got it |
| 04:41.06 | valdyn | now that wasnt so hard to find. |
| 04:41.24 | Angel-SL | xchat-common |
| 04:42.00 | Angel-SL | ah...got it |
| 04:42.12 | Angel-SL | now it says Running IRC on root is stupid |
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| 04:42.22 | maher | Angel-SL: that's true |
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| 04:45.29 | eXa_bOy | ok |
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| 04:47.16 | RogueDopple | oh no not eXa_bOy ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 04:47.43 | chealer | Jacobo221: if I'm not too late, try $ realpath :) |
| 04:49.25 | Jacobo221 | chealer: you're too late, but thanks to you anyway too :) |
| 04:50.39 | eXa_bOy | hi RogueDopple :D |
| 04:50.59 | chealer | Jacobo221: no problem, I was looking that sine a while too, and didn't think about apropos path yet :) |
| 04:51.15 | eXa_bOy | question : after installing zziplib-bin will i need to restart apache |
| 04:51.30 | RogueDopple | gn |
| 04:51.36 | eXa_bOy | :( |
| 04:51.44 | Jacobo221 | chealer: ;D |
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| 04:53.00 | chealer | come on people. hyperion's #gentoo has more people than ours! |
| 04:53.38 | dip | how do I clean the mbr using Linux like fdisk /mbr in msdos ? |
| 04:53.55 | barry | hey...I have a 486...I'm putting it on Debian and I'm putting in a new HD. I have the new HD mounted on my current computer...is there an easy way to install a basic system and choose packages and stuff from my current computer? |
| 04:54.07 | maher | barry: debootstrap |
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| 04:54.13 | maher | barry: how mauch ram? |
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| 04:54.29 | barry | I don't know, but I' |
| 04:54.45 | barry | I don't think it matters. I have some extra 128MB cards, and I'm putting them in |
| 04:55.07 | maher | barry: ok - that's fine |
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| 04:55.28 | barry | what's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 04:55.29 | maher | barry: remember to install a 386 kernel not a 686 one |
| 04:55.39 | barry | of course |
| 04:55.44 | maher | barry: one's written in c |
| 04:55.50 | barry | aha |
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| 04:56.49 | eXa_bOy | how do i update my locate database? |
| 04:56.49 | barry | I have to figure out a partition table for it. I have 6GB |
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| 04:57.21 | kimo | what's the CLI way of monitoring network transfer rates ? |
| 04:57.28 | deadcat | kimo: iftop |
| 04:57.35 | chealer | updatedb |
| 04:57.40 | eXa_bOy | thanks |
| 04:58.05 | sk2 | I emerged lvm-common but can't see how it helps me to dynamically resize my partitions, is there another program I should try? |
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| 04:58.12 | kimo | deadcat: thnx :) but any cross distro way? something generic... |
| 04:58.20 | chealer | eXa_bOy: man locae will unlikely miss pointing you there |
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| 04:58.46 | deadcat | kimo: ifconfig -a |
| 04:59.00 | eXa_bOy | you answered my question faster than typing "man locate" :P |
| 04:59.07 | maher | sk2: you make a big partition and use lvm to make little partitions inside it |
| 04:59.24 | chealer | eXa_bOy: no |
| 04:59.42 | sk2 | oh ok |
| 04:59.59 | sk2 | I just wanted to make /hda6 smaller and /hda2 bigger, is that not possible? |
| 05:00.05 | kimo | deadcat: thanks a million :) |
| 05:00.20 | ufoalien | sk2: jep |
| 05:00.29 | ufoalien | sk2: but you should make a backup ;) |
| 05:00.32 | ufoalien | of all your data |
| 05:00.32 | deadcat | kimo: ya ya ya... (= |
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| 05:00.48 | sk2 | hehe yeah |
| 05:00.53 | sk2 | what program? |
| 05:00.54 | maher | sk2: parted |
| 05:01.03 | maher | sk2: or qtparted |
| 05:01.14 | sk2 | thanks |
| 05:01.16 | ufoalien | sk2: you can boot knoppix, resize the disk with qtparted and restore the mbr |
| 05:01.21 | ufoalien | ^^ |
| 05:01.25 | sk2 | ah |
| 05:01.31 | ufoalien | I should drink more coffe to be faster |
| 05:01.33 | sk2 | thanks for the help guys |
| 05:01.35 | sk2 | hehe |
| 05:01.43 | ufoalien | sk2: you can't resize your partition when it's mounted |
| 05:01.48 | sk2 | the knoppix way will be handy to remember tho |
| 05:01.50 | ufoalien | so you have to boot a live cd |
| 05:01.57 | eXa_bOy | how do i stop / start apache? |
| 05:01.57 | sk2 | ah |
| 05:02.09 | eXa_bOy | i cant find httpd o_0 |
| 05:02.09 | ufoalien | eXa_bOy: /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 05:02.10 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: /etc/init.d/apache |
| 05:02.10 | sk2 | i think knoppix is at my house so i'll do that when i get there |
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| 05:02.18 | eXa_bOy | DOH!!! |
| 05:02.20 | eXa_bOy | thanks |
| 05:02.22 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Typing that will give you your options. |
| 05:02.25 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: gladly. |
| 05:03.20 | ke6isf | Question here. Whereas /dev/hda1 is /boot, is it going to render my system unbootable if I remove it from /etc/fstab? |
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| 05:04.43 | ufoalien | ke6isf: I've got a better idea: dd if=/dev/psaux of=/dev/hda count=1 bs=512, which will delete your mbr and partition table, hard luck |
| 05:05.27 | ke6isf | ufoalien: ...riiiight. |
| 05:06.06 | ufoalien | ke6isf: I think no, because the kernel boots before the file system is loaded... |
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| 05:06.51 | maher | ke6isf: but it will be hard to update your kernel / boot loader config without the real /boot |
| 05:07.13 | ke6isf | maher: So if anything, I'd have to remount the partition by hand when it comes time to do kernel updates. |
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| 05:07.24 | ufoalien | maher: he didn't ask to update kernel, he asked to boot up ;) |
| 05:07.35 | ufoalien | ke6isf: exactly |
| 05:07.49 | ufoalien | and /vmlinuz will be a deadlink ;) |
| 05:08.04 | ke6isf | ufoalien: Not critical after boot, but annoying. |
| 05:08.23 | ufoalien | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2005-06-16 01:29 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.12 ieh who does that? oh it's me :) |
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| 05:09.29 | ke6isf | argh, gotta screw around with my wife's Mandreck box. |
| 05:09.38 | ufoalien | _D |
| 05:10.00 | deadcat | ke6isf: stop bitching |
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| 05:12.10 | barry | hey...I just used debootstrap to create a debian system on a HD...and I decided to test it out using qemu |
| 05:12.27 | barry | and it keeps giving me an error, saying it's not bootable |
| 05:12.33 | sk2 | is there a mod to install to get apache2 to work with mysql or do i just install apache2 and install mysql? |
| 05:12.47 | maher | barry: did you install a kernel and a bootloader? |
| 05:13.28 | barry | uh...I just ran 'debootstrap sarge /dev/hdc1' |
| 05:13.36 | mud__ | sk2: mysql install will also install apache2 |
| 05:13.46 | sk2 | ah |
| 05:13.49 | sk2 | thanks mud__ |
| 05:14.20 | ufoalien | it's a secure way to keep other people away from your computer... I've always a usb stick with the first 512 bytes of my hda |
| 05:14.20 | ufoalien | :D |
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| 05:14.50 | ufoalien | no i'm just kidding |
| 05:14.55 | maher | ufoalien: other people who don't habitually carry round usb boot sticks... |
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| 05:15.08 | ufoalien | maher: :D |
| 05:15.47 | barry | how can I make the debootstrap disk bootable? |
| 05:15.54 | ufoalien | a friend had once an encrypted file system on his workstation and lost the hash :D |
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| 05:16.21 | maher | barry: install a kernel and bootloader |
| 05:16.21 | Danar | when i play an mp4 in xine i get no audio, but i do with other files. i've install all the codecs from the mplayer site. vlc plays the audio, but i'd rather use xine. can anyone help? |
| 05:16.24 | ufoalien | (and hash doesn't mean Haschisch (Cannabis) |
| 05:16.52 | Gnea | Danar: yeah, don't use xine to play your mp4 |
| 05:17.03 | Danar | Gnea: that's not what i asked :p |
| 05:17.17 | Gnea | Danar: well that's what you get, like it or leave it |
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| 05:17.19 | ufoalien | Danar: uffhh don't play mp4 files with xine |
| 05:17.25 | Danar | why not? |
| 05:17.29 | barry | how do I install the kernel and bootloader? |
| 05:17.34 | Gnea | you've already stated why |
| 05:17.49 | ufoalien | barry: apt-get install grub ;) |
| 05:17.51 | Gnea | barry: which bootloader? |
| 05:17.52 | Danar | if i had, i wouldn't be asking |
| 05:17.52 | mud__ | barry : use installer |
| 05:18.03 | maher | barry: chroot into the new install |
| 05:18.14 | ufoalien | Danar: of course you did... sound doesn't work |
| 05:18.37 | Danar | that's not a reason not to use it, it's a reason to fix it, which is what i'm asking for help with |
| 05:18.43 | Gnea | Danar: because xine uses libxine which calls a different set of codecs, while vlc and mplayer each have their own API which is completely different than xine's |
| 05:19.02 | Danar | Gnea: i told xine to use the mplayer codecs... |
| 05:19.05 | ufoalien | Danar: the reason to use linux is because windows doesn't work, so everything0s fine? |
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| 05:19.14 | Gnea | Danar: xine doesn't give a flying f*** |
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| 05:19.37 | Danar | ufoalien: uh, there's many reasons one might use linux instead of windows |
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| 05:19.43 | ufoalien | Danar: of course it's a reason to fix windows, but who cares? |
| 05:19.47 | ufoalien | dahehe |
| 05:19.50 | Danar | ufoalien: and they aren't the same for everyone |
| 05:19.51 | ufoalien | Danar: hehe |
| 05:20.00 | barry | wait...I ran debootstrap, and it didn't do anything! |
| 05:20.01 | JeffH | I"m not getting any sound from my sound card. It was working yesterday. |
| 05:20.17 | Gnea | it's reasons like this why i keep the various media players installed and use whatever works |
| 05:20.21 | Gnea | problem solved |
| 05:20.26 | Gnea | next |
| 05:20.35 | Danar | i dislike VLC's gui though |
| 05:20.37 | ufoalien | Danar: but there's one for everyone: the reset key is outworn after a week! |
| 05:20.41 | Gnea | JeffH: did your speakers becomeo unplugged? |
| 05:20.49 | Gnea | Danar: then write a better one |
| 05:20.53 | ufoalien | hehe |
| 05:20.55 | ufoalien | :P |
| 05:20.59 | JeffH | nope, sound works fine in WinXP |
| 05:21.02 | mud__ | JeffH : i just had sound issue out of nowhere, installed 2.6.12 and reinstalled udev. fixed |
| 05:21.08 | Danar | if i had the time, i'd put it towards something more productive |
| 05:21.08 | Gnea | JeffH: check mixer settings |
| 05:21.31 | Gnea | then quit complaining about it |
| 05:21.41 | JeffH | mud__: come to think about it.. I'm not sure its worked since I went to the 2.6.11 kernel. |
| 05:21.52 | mud__ | JeffH, AHA |
| 05:21.55 | ufoalien | hehe |
| 05:22.09 | Danar | Gnea: me? |
| 05:22.16 | Danar | Gnea: i've yet to complain. |
| 05:22.16 | Gnea | no, your mom |
| 05:22.18 | Gnea | yes you |
| 05:22.21 | JeffH | is there something different from 2.4 to 2.6 in relation to sound? |
| 05:22.23 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:22.41 | Danar | ... which is why i thought you might not be talking to me :p |
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| 05:22.52 | mud__ | JeffH, all i know is udev doesnt work before 2.6.12 now |
| 05:22.52 | drac | JeffH: 2.6 has ALSA (and OSS) and 2.4 only OSS. |
| 05:22.58 | ufoalien | hi dev |
| 05:23.00 | ufoalien | huch |
| 05:23.03 | ufoalien | high-def |
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| 05:23.24 | JeffH | what is udev? |
| 05:23.25 | Gnea | Danar: it's very simple, really: just use whatever works at the time. there is no one-app-does-it-all in that department anywhere. |
| 05:23.41 | barry | udev is the hotplug daemon...it detects hardware, right? |
| 05:23.43 | Gnea | Danar: if you don't like a particular app, simply uninstall it and don't use it |
| 05:23.52 | Danar | Gnea: you'd think there'd be an app that could use whatever codecs you feed it |
| 05:24.07 | Gnea | Danar: like mplayer? yeah it'd be nice huh... |
| 05:24.10 | Danar | Gnea: well that's not really an option if it's the only thing that seems to play something |
| 05:24.11 | maher | barry: no udev is the new runtime dev to replace devfs |
| 05:24.28 | Danar | Gnea: indeed. and that's something worth complaining about ;) |
| 05:24.35 | mud__ | maher, o yeah i had devfs before oops |
| 05:24.37 | barry | oh |
| 05:24.44 | Gnea | Danar: well it works for me and countless others and it's viable, so to state that it isn't so is simply untrue. |
| 05:24.51 | ufoalien | Gnea: file can handle every codec, just the playing is a little bit difficult ;) |
| 05:25.00 | barry | I'm running debootstrap, and it stopped dead at reading libblkid1 |
| 05:25.09 | barry | oh wait, nevermind |
| 05:25.09 | Danar | Gnea: actually, mplayer won't play it at all |
| 05:25.23 | barry | just really really slow |
| 05:25.29 | Danar | Gnea: gives tons of "FAAD: Failed to decode frame: Unexpected channel configuration change" |
| 05:25.34 | ufoalien | nicolas@olivia:~/pr0n/vid$ file cw__1__04_to_post.m2v |
| 05:25.34 | ufoalien | cw__1__04_to_post.m2v: MPEG sequence, LD-TV 640P, 29.97 fps |
| 05:25.35 | ethics | danar then your noy doing it right 8) |
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| 05:25.44 | Gnea | Danar: in the world of open source, you can complain, but you'll be silenced quick - unless you want to pay money to someone else, make a list and search a mailing list to see what/where/when/why/how on the given app |
| 05:25.55 | Danar | ethics: then enlighten me :p |
| 05:25.57 | Gnea | Danar: then it's probably unsupported at this time |
| 05:26.45 | Danar | Gnea: that wouldn't make much sense. it's a show about open source. you'd think you'd be able to play it on open source software... |
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| 05:26.59 | Smoked1 | I installed php and mysql. I am getting "Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()" Do I need to install php4-mysql? |
| 05:27.00 | Gnea | Danar: stranger things have happened... |
| 05:27.15 | maher | Danar: can you give us a link to the file? |
| 05:27.15 | Gnea | Smoked1: probably |
| 05:27.16 | Danar | Gnea: true, but it wouldn't suit their theme & stated goals |
| 05:27.23 | JeffH | why are there no alsa modules for 2.6.11 in the repository? |
| 05:27.25 | Danar | maher: it's "go open" |
| 05:27.38 | Gnea | Danar: which is? |
| 05:27.44 | Danar | i think the site is go-open.org or something |
| 05:27.47 | Danar | if not, google |
| 05:27.58 | Danar | it advocates open source |
| 05:28.05 | ethics | jeff they are in kernel, get alsa-nase and alsa-tools / utils |
| 05:28.08 | ufoalien | google is your best friend ( if you've got a internet connection ;) |
| 05:28.27 | barry | and if you don't, how the heck are you on IRC? |
| 05:28.32 | Gnea | http://www.go-opensource.org/ perhaps? |
| 05:28.36 | Danar | sounds right |
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| 05:28.50 | deadcat | its open-wide.com |
| 05:28.52 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
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| 05:29.17 | Danar | yeh, that's it |
| 05:29.23 | mud__ | JeffH, alsa wiki is very helpful |
| 05:29.50 | Gnea | deadcat: ROFL |
| 05:29.56 | JeffH | mud__: thanks.. I don't see alsa-tools but I'll look at wiki |
| 05:29.58 | Danar | http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/ |
| 05:30.03 | Danar | it's a torrent |
| 05:30.06 | deadcat | Gnea: i assume you guys talking about pron? (= |
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| 05:30.41 | ethics | JeffH, may be alsa-utils cantg rememebr hehe...then run alsaconf and you may e done depending on results |
| 05:30.44 | wishie | what packages do i need to merge from xfree86 to xorg ? |
| 05:30.58 | barry | Ok, I have yet another problem |
| 05:31.09 | deadcat | wishie: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 05:31.11 | barry | I debootstraped, and chrooted |
| 05:31.14 | ethics | wishie they are in unstable only atm |
| 05:31.15 | barry | and apt won't work |
| 05:31.20 | barry | it says command not found |
| 05:31.27 | mud__ | JeffH, yeah alsa-utils |
| 05:31.33 | bush | is 'performance' the only available freqency scaling governer in stock 2.6.11? |
| 05:31.34 | wishie | deadcat: thats the only one i need ? i dont need x11-common ? |
| 05:31.55 | deadcat | wishie: it will handle itself |
| 05:32.14 | maher | barry: type bash and try again |
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| 05:32.51 | barry | ok...I got it...but now there is a problem with the source list |
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| 05:33.03 | maher | barry: apt-setup |
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| 05:33.10 | Gnea | Danar: snagging |
| 05:33.21 | barry | k |
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| 05:33.24 | Gnea | heh this'll take awhile |
| 05:33.41 | Danar | Gnea: how long? have a decent connection? |
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| 05:35.35 | JeffH | well, installed alsa-utils, ran alsaconf and still no sound. Any other ideas? |
| 05:35.43 | Danar | brb |
| 05:35.55 | Bac9 | JeffH: you in the audio group? |
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| 05:36.03 | Bac9 | JeffH: your speakers connected |
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| 05:36.10 | JeffH | Bac9: yes and yes |
| 05:36.12 | Bac9 | JeffH: your apps set up to use alsa? |
| 05:36.18 | Bac9 | JeffH: is the sound up? |
| 05:36.32 | Bac9 | JeffH: usually one of those |
| 05:36.38 | JeffH | Bac9: not sure about that one.. I do a 'cat ' > /dev/dsp' and don't hear a thing. |
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| 05:36.44 | SDFH_Linux | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 05:36.47 | Reptyle | how bout a print out of "lsmod |grep snd" |
| 05:36.48 | SDFH_Linux | how i fix this? |
| 05:36.59 | Gnea | JeffH: try alsamixer |
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| 05:37.22 | Bac9 | JeffH: check your volume setting, physical connections and permissions |
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| 05:38.00 | beenleigh | is it a reasonable fix to download the source package for kdelibs4 and update the dependancy from libaspell15 to libaspell15c2? |
| 05:38.03 | ufoalien | Gnea: hehe alsamixer I need a screenresolution 6000x3000 to see all the mixers of my sblive on one screen |
| 05:38.03 | JeffH | hmm.. alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 05:38.10 | ufoalien | autsch |
| 05:38.16 | Gnea | ufoalien: hehehe |
| 05:38.18 | beenleigh | im failing to understand why this bug has been logged against libaspell, and not kdelibs |
| 05:38.31 | Bac9 | JeffH: you sure you have alsa modules loded for your soundcard? |
| 05:38.31 | mud__ | JeffH, modules loaded? |
| 05:38.48 | Gnea | itt is bedtime |
| 05:38.50 | Gnea | good night |
| 05:38.52 | JeffH | I thought so.. I ran alsaconf and it said it was loading them. |
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| 05:39.30 | Bac9 | JeffH: you using a dynamic or static managed /dev? if static then don't forget to make the nodes |
| 05:39.31 | Reptyle | SDFH_Linux, try apt-get install x-dev libx11-dev |
| 05:39.38 | maher | beenleigh: if you just dl and rebuild locally the lib deps should be fixed for you |
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| 05:39.46 | JeffH | Bac9: dynamic I think. |
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| 05:39.59 | Bac9 | JeffH: then you should have a /dev/snd |
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| 05:40.26 | JeffH | Bac9: /dev/sndstat, no /dev/snd |
| 05:40.27 | mud__ | JeffH, that was my prob no pcm stuff in /dev/snd |
| 05:40.38 | maher | beenleigh: or you could just install the old libs and keep them on hold for a bit... |
| 05:40.43 | Bac9 | JeffH: /dev/snd is where alsa puts its audio nodes |
| 05:40.47 | concept10 | anyone know of some playlist manager for XMMS or BMP sortof like Rhythm Box? |
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| 05:40.49 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:40.49 | Smoked1 | dambnit. I did a mysqldump and then tried to restore the db on another server but I am getting sql errors |
| 05:40.54 | Bac9 | JeffH: so most likely you don't have modules loaded |
| 05:41.00 | Bac9 | JeffH: check lsmod |
| 05:41.16 | JeffH | I did 'lsmod | grep alsa' and didn't get anything. |
| 05:41.31 | Bac9 | concept10: don't each of those have playlists? |
| 05:41.40 | mud__ | concept10, the playlist in xmms is resizeable u know(i didnt at first) |
| 05:41.52 | SDFH_Linux | Reptyle doesnt matter if i am running xorg? |
| 05:41.53 | Bac9 | JeffH: grep snd |
| 05:42.04 | concept10 | They have playlists but they dont manage your entire collection like rhythm box |
| 05:42.09 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, probably, but there should be -dev packages for it. |
| 05:42.15 | mud__ | concept10, do too |
| 05:42.17 | Smoked1 | any suggestions for doing a mysqldump so that it does not generate errors when restoring? |
| 05:42.30 | Bac9 | concept10: mpd? |
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| 05:42.38 | JeffH | appears to be a bunch of oss sound stuff loaded. |
| 05:42.56 | concept10 | mud__, how? |
| 05:43.05 | Bac9 | JeffH: the modules that start with snd_ are the alsa ones, if you don't have those than you don't have alsa modules loaded |
| 05:43.09 | concept10 | Bac9, thats a plugin? |
| 05:43.19 | Bac9 | concept10: it's its own player |
| 05:43.27 | Bac9 | concept10: there was some plugin for xmms too |
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| 05:43.46 | mud__ | concept10, u can add directorys to playlist easily and save playlists , buttons on playlist |
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| 05:44.19 | mud__ | concept10, u can add radio stations too (add url) |
| 05:44.31 | JeffH | Bac9: I have the following loaded. snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, snd_emu10k1, snd_rawmidi, snd_seq_device, snd_ac97_codec, snd_pcm, snd_timer, snd_page_alloc, snd_util_mem, snd_hwdep, and snd. |
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| 05:44.46 | concept10 | mud__, I dont want to create playlists, I want the application to find and index the songs like rhythmbox. You know, add a new folder and it places them in your library |
| 05:44.46 | Bac9 | concept10: qbble I think |
| 05:45.00 | concept10 | Bac9, okay, im getting qbbe now |
| 05:45.04 | maher | concept10: why don't you use rythmbox? |
| 05:45.06 | barry | k, I'm having trouble installing the kernel |
| 05:45.13 | SDFH_Linux | ok now i get this error when i try to compile |
| 05:45.16 | maher | barry: mount proc |
| 05:45.17 | SDFH_Linux | checking for libz... configure: error: not found. |
| 05:45.17 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.17 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.17 | mud__ | concept10, right add directory |
| 05:45.39 | Bac9 | JeffH: ok so alsa modules are loaded, now why don't you have nodes in /dev/snd? |
| 05:45.46 | nvz | concept10: amarok is quicker at indexing than rhythmbox, allows tag editing, and a WHOLE LOT more. |
| 05:45.51 | Bac9 | JeffH: are you using devfs or udev? |
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| 05:45.57 | nvz | concept10: its QT instead of GTK though |
| 05:46.00 | agrathwohl | Hi guys! I am trying to do a dpkg --configure -a but it tells me that there isn't enough disk space left on the device -- does this seem odd to some people? |
| 05:46.06 | barry | I get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:46.16 | maher | agrathwohl: check with df -h |
| 05:46.28 | mud__ | concept10, all my tunes are in folder mp3 so i click button add dir > mp3 all my songs in library what more could you want? |
| 05:46.31 | barry | for apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 05:46.31 | barry | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.42 | maher | barry: did you mount proc? |
| 05:46.46 | agrathwohl | maher: Wow!! How come /dev/hda1 (6.5gigs) is completely filled up?? |
| 05:46.49 | Bac9 | concept10: if you want a library based player try mpd, it's a client/server style architecture |
| 05:46.52 | mud__ | concept10, you want by album and such? |
| 05:46.58 | JeffH | Bac9: what program should be running that will do the dynamic /dev handling? |
| 05:47.02 | agrathwohl | That's my / partition! |
| 05:47.08 | maher | agrathwohl: du -sh / and look for things that look too big |
| 05:47.17 | Bac9 | JeffH: depends what you use, devfs or udev |
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| 05:47.31 | nvz | agrathwohl: do you have a separate partition for /home or any freespace? |
| 05:47.33 | concept10 | nvz, I liked amarok but I really like to stick to GTK apps. I like BMP but it doesnt have all XMMS plugins... Rhythmbox does great indexing. Three music apps .... goooosh! |
| 05:47.41 | agrathwohl | nvz: Yes,, I do |
| 05:47.41 | zorton | well that certainly sucks |
| 05:47.43 | concept10 | mud__, yes |
| 05:47.47 | agrathwohl | maher: Thank you -- how long should that take? |
| 05:47.49 | liable | Apina: look in /tmp too |
| 05:47.57 | zorton | xorg gives nothing but a grey screen on this machine, has anyone encountered this before? |
| 05:47.58 | Bac9 | concept10: have you tried using xmms plugins with bmp? |
| 05:48.00 | mud__ | concept10, use rythymbox |
| 05:48.04 | maher | agrathwohl: depends on how fast your disk is - a few minutes |
| 05:48.08 | agrathwohl | maher: This is what du -sh brought back7.1G / |
| 05:48.10 | nvz | concept10: amarok does it all and then some. handles all ends of music management, even your portable player |
| 05:48.17 | maher | agrathwohl: du -sh /* |
| 05:48.19 | mud__ | concept10, try juk |
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| 05:48.25 | SDFH_Linux | ok now i get this error when i try to compile |
| 05:48.25 | nvz | concept10: I dont like QT or KDE apps either.. but I make an exception |
| 05:48.28 | concept10 | Bac9, yeah, but some dont work like the sid library |
| 05:48.28 | SDFH_Linux | checking for libz... configure: error: not found. |
| 05:48.28 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.28 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:48.50 | Bac9 | concept10: donno, never been much on playlists |
| 05:49.04 | agrathwohl | maher: It is telling me that /var is taking up 5 gigs!!! :eek: |
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| 05:49.10 | Bac9 | concept10: but these playlists seem to be everywhere |
| 05:49.17 | Danar | hrm, i upgraded to xorg, and now my fonts are all big :/ |
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| 05:49.26 | concept10 | Bac9, I dont like playlist or make them. I rather just browse through the library |
| 05:49.35 | Bac9 | agrathwohl: probably /var/cach/apt/archives |
| 05:49.39 | maher | agrathwohl: go into var and run du -sh * until you find out what's too big - probably some run away log file |
| 05:49.42 | Danar | they all look bold |
| 05:49.47 | Frozen-Solid | how do you check filesize from the command line? |
| 05:49.57 | Danar | Frozen-Solid: ls? |
| 05:50.01 | nvz | Frozen-Solid: du, ls |
| 05:50.02 | Bac9 | concept10: try different players, see what you like, they all feel a tad different |
| 05:50.02 | maher | Frozen-Solid: ls -l |
| 05:50.30 | agrathwohl | maher: you are correct - it appears to belocated in the log directory |
| 05:50.40 | Frozen-Solid | oh ls -l works. thanks |
| 05:50.49 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, try apt-get install zlib1g zlib1g-dev |
| 05:51.07 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:51.27 | agrathwohl | maher: kern.log , kern.log.0, messages , messages.O, syslog , syslog.O all take up over 500 mb! |
| 05:52.03 | Bac9 | agrathwohl: logrotate not working? or something spewing errors real fast? |
| 05:52.05 | nvz | agrathwohl: inspect the logs see whats making them so big |
| 05:52.25 | maher | agrathwohl: have a breif look at them to see what's in them, and if it doesn't look exciting just delete them |
| 05:52.26 | ayuda | de adonde saco el superkaramba |
| 05:52.32 | SDFH_Linux | now its asking for QT |
| 05:52.49 | nvz | ayuda: we speak english here, try #debian-es |
| 05:52.52 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, what are you trying to compile? |
| 05:52.58 | SDFH_Linux | anything |
| 05:53.01 | maher | agrathwohl: do you have kern.log.n.gz as well? maybe logrotate is broken |
| 05:53.05 | SDFH_Linux | i just want it to work |
| 05:53.08 | Angel-SL | how dp u get ur version in th e terminal? |
| 05:53.20 | maher | Angel-SL: version of what? |
| 05:53.23 | nvz | Angel-SL: what version |
| 05:53.24 | SDFH_Linux | at the moment a window decoration on kde |
| 05:53.26 | Angel-SL | linux |
| 05:53.31 | nvz | Angel-SL: uname -a |
| 05:53.35 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, well if you plan on compiling things you need to install the development files that those packages depend on. |
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| 05:53.47 | bucky | !irritate Angel-SL |
| 05:53.47 | dpkg | Angel-SL: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh edonkey U FUX0RZ |
| 05:53.50 | SDFH_Linux | like? |
| 05:53.53 | Angel-SL | 2.4 is what debain? sarge? |
| 05:53.55 | nvz | Angel-SL: do you mean the linux kernel or the debian version? |
| 05:53.58 | mikeo | how do i kill x? |
| 05:54.01 | nvz | Angel-SL: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:54.10 | Angel-SL | !foz |
| 05:54.17 | Angel-SL | !fix bucky |
| 05:54.18 | nvz | Angel-SL: 2.4 is the linux version (kernel) not your debian version |
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| 05:54.44 | bucky | !tell Angel-SL about u |
| 05:54.45 | agrathwohl | maher: my kern.log is just saying two things over and over again - about my nv_sata driver |
| 05:54.56 | SDFH_Linux | so what are the QT? |
| 05:54.57 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, is it wanting QT version 4 or version 3? |
| 05:55.02 | Danar | where's the xorg config file? |
| 05:55.18 | mikeo | anyone know how to get a console window open over tightvnc? |
| 05:55.22 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, if its a KDE program its going to want the kde development files too. |
| 05:55.30 | mikeo | i connected, but no windows open, and right click does nothing |
| 05:55.32 | maher | agrathwohl: ok - I would recommend deleting the .0 file to clear up some space |
| 05:55.48 | SDFH_Linux | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 05:55.57 | Schiz0 | mikeo- Ctrl+Backspace |
| 05:55.59 | SDFH_Linux | and yes it is a kde program |
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| 05:56.13 | mikeo | ctrl+backspace does nothing over vnc |
| 05:56.18 | maher | agrathwohl: if the .log are files are still growing quickly trying fixing what's broken with nv_sata |
| 05:56.20 | barry | I keep getting errors when trying to install the kernel on a fresh system made using debootstrap |
| 05:56.21 | Schiz0 | ah over vnc..nevermind. |
| 05:56.32 | maher | barry: what error and did you mount proc |
| 05:56.35 | agrathwohl | maher: thank you for all of your help! :) |
| 05:56.37 | mikeo | lol i have a vnc window and cant do anything with it |
| 05:56.52 | JeffH | I just rebooted with devfs=mount and devfsd doesn't seem to be running. is the 2.6.11 kernel that is in the repository setup to use devfs? |
| 05:57.04 | Bac9 | mikeo: what do you want to do with it? |
| 05:57.04 | SDFH_Linux | kgeffert what do i need to get? |
| 05:57.13 | mikeo | get a console window open or something |
| 05:57.16 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, be patient. |
| 05:57.19 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 05:57.24 | mikeo | the monitor resolution sucks with the vesa drivers |
| 05:57.28 | Bac9 | JeffH: maybe it's set up to use idev? |
| 05:57.29 | mikeo | so trying to install the nvidia ones |
| 05:57.38 | mikeo | over vnc |
| 05:57.47 | Bac9 | mikeo: do you have a window manager or an xterm running in it? |
| 05:57.48 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, do you have KDE installed? |
| 05:57.53 | JeffH | Bac9: you mean udev? |
| 05:57.53 | mikeo | i think xterm |
| 05:57.54 | SDFH_Linux | yes 3.4.1 |
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| 05:58.03 | Bac9 | JeffH: yeah udev |
| 05:58.08 | Bac9 | JeffH: sorry typo |
| 05:58.25 | nvz | mikeo: the drivers X uses will not make one tiny little bit of difference to VNC connections, which don't even require that X be installed |
| 05:58.27 | JeffH | I thought udev was for 2.6.12 or greater kernels. |
| 05:58.32 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, please run dpkg -l libqt* and tell me which lines start with "ii" |
| 05:58.35 | Bac9 | mikeo: so if you have an xterm open then just use that |
| 05:58.37 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:58.38 | nvz | mikeo: if this is what you are saying looks like crap |
| 05:58.43 | mikeo | no |
| 05:58.48 | Bac9 | JeffH: udev was for 2.5.x and greater |
| 05:58.51 | mikeo | on the monitor it looks like crap cause its 800x600 |
| 05:58.59 | mikeo | so over a vnc connection on my lcd right now |
| 05:59.04 | mud__ | JeffH, i installed devfsd and had no luck. then i upgraded to kerenl 2.6.12 and install udev and it fixes sound devices |
| 05:59.06 | Bac9 | JeffH: but then again I donno about debian stock kernels |
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| 05:59.07 | SDFH_Linux | ii libqthreads-12 1.6.7-1 QuickThreads library for Guile |
| 05:59.16 | mikeo | but there is nothing in the vnc window, no console or anything, making it useless |
| 05:59.20 | barry | sorry |
| 05:59.23 | mikeo | and right clicking does nothing |
| 05:59.23 | barry | proc is mounted |
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| 05:59.39 | JeffH | mud__: did you install 2.6.12 from a standard repository? |
| 05:59.40 | SDFH_Linux | ii libqt3c102-mt 3.3.4-3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V |
| 05:59.41 | maher | mikeo: if you right click the window do you get a menu? |
| 05:59.42 | mikeo | is there a vnc hotkey for getting a shell or something |
| 05:59.44 | mikeo | no |
| 05:59.51 | mud__ | JeffH, no kernel.org |
| 05:59.52 | maher | barry: paste the error in #flood |
| 05:59.54 | barry | it's saying errors were encountered while processing: kernel-image-2.... |
| 06:00.02 | Bac9 | mikeo: when you start the vnc server it has a .xsession file that it reads, not your regular .xsession but its own, configure that to start what ever you want |
| 06:00.11 | mikeo | ok |
| 06:00.17 | Danar | Gnea: still downloading that? |
| 06:00.20 | JeffH | ugg.. I don't really want to build my own kernel.. maybe I'll just go back to 2.4.x |
| 06:00.32 | maher | mikeo: do you have a wm installed on the remote machine? |
| 06:00.44 | Bac9 | JeffH: do you have udev installed? |
| 06:00.44 | mikeo | yea kde and some others |
| 06:01.09 | mud__ | Bac9, is he running sarge or sid? |
| 06:01.12 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, ok that's the one I'm looking for. |
| 06:01.14 | bush | is 'performance' the only available cpu freqency scaling governer in stock 2.6.11? |
| 06:01.16 | Bac9 | mud__: who? |
| 06:01.17 | kgeffert | one second. |
| 06:01.25 | mud__ | Bac9, JeffH |
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| 06:01.26 | Danar | barry: #flood |
| 06:01.36 | mikeo | in the configuration file for vnc startup... |
| 06:01.39 | mikeo | can i make it start kde? |
| 06:01.40 | Bac9 | mud__: donno, but he did say he's running 2.6 |
| 06:01.42 | mikeo | or blackbox |
| 06:01.49 | mud__ | JeffH, sarge or sid |
| 06:01.56 | mikeo | and what lines would i edit/add |
| 06:01.57 | Bac9 | mikeo: yes |
| 06:01.57 | JeffH | mud__: sid |
| 06:02.03 | barry | I did |
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| 06:02.14 | mud__ | JeffH, udev NEEDS 2.6.12 to work |
| 06:02.20 | Bac9 | mikeo: startkde |
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| 06:02.27 | JeffH | Bac9: I tried installing udev and when it ran it said it needed 2.6.12 or better. |
| 06:02.29 | maher | barry: do you have initrd-tools in the chroot? |
| 06:02.39 | Bac9 | mud__: why would udev need 2.6.12? |
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| 06:02.52 | mikeo | hmmm that didnt start it |
| 06:02.59 | Bac9 | mud__: I have it working just fine on 2.6.10 |
| 06:03.06 | mud__ | Bac9, i wish i knew it just does i just had this issue |
| 06:03.13 | liable | its a bug in the latest |
| 06:03.15 | Bac9 | mikeo: put it in the .xsession file your vnc server uses |
| 06:03.24 | mud__ | Bac9, u on sid? |
| 06:03.32 | Bac9 | mud__: I am on etch |
| 06:03.42 | mud__ | Bac9, theres your answer |
| 06:03.42 | Bac9 | mud__: but I compile kernel.org kernels |
| 06:03.55 | mikeo | it is in /root/.vnc/startup |
| 06:03.56 | Danar | speaking of 2.6.12, when's it going to be in the repository? |
| 06:03.58 | Bac9 | mud__: did they change udev is sid? |
| 06:04.03 | liable | get a earlier version of udev |
| 06:04.03 | mikeo | i added a line, startkde, but still doesnt start it |
| 06:04.05 | mud__ | Bac9, udev in sid needs 2.6.12 |
| 06:04.07 | deadcat | Danar: when its ready |
| 06:04.10 | Bac9 | JeffH: maybe try udev from etch? |
| 06:04.19 | Danar | deadcat: as always |
| 06:04.24 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev kde-devel |
| 06:04.27 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 06:04.28 | deadcat | Danar: then why you ask? |
| 06:04.29 | Bac9 | mud__: what changed in it that it needs 2.6.12? |
| 06:04.31 | Danar | deadcat: an eta would be nice |
| 06:04.32 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev kde-dev |
| 06:04.32 | JeffH | Bac9: I'm just gonna install 2.4.27. |
| 06:04.39 | kgeffert | sorry about that. |
| 06:04.39 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:04.42 | deadcat | Danar: 3 weeks. |
| 06:04.45 | Bac9 | JeffH: 2.4.31 is latest |
| 06:04.47 | Danar | deadcat: thx |
| 06:05.05 | reamtS | which one is better for 'apm' to be in? "standby or suspend" mode? |
| 06:05.11 | Bac9 | JeffH: besides might as well get alsa working sooner rather than later |
| 06:05.16 | JeffH | Bac9: 2.4.31 doesn't appear to be in the repository. |
| 06:05.26 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, sorry... make that kdebase-dev |
| 06:05.26 | mud__ | Bac9, im not sure but i had 2.6.11 and boot output was "udev not started needs 2.6.12" |
| 06:05.30 | Bac9 | JeffH: it's in kernel.org repository |
| 06:05.40 | barry | maher:I'm not sure |
| 06:05.44 | maher | mud__: that's cos you're on unstable |
| 06:05.45 | Bac9 | mud__: was that for etch or sid? |
| 06:05.46 | JeffH | I can get debian kernels from kernel.org? |
| 06:05.47 | SDFH_Linux | hmm i dont have that package kde-dev |
| 06:05.53 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, sorry... make that kdebase-dev |
| 06:05.54 | deadcat | JeffH: hell no |
| 06:05.55 | mud__ | JeffH, your going to install 2.4 on sid? |
| 06:05.57 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 06:06.04 | mikeo | so how do i autostart kde over vnc? |
| 06:06.06 | JeffH | mud__: yeah. |
| 06:06.11 | mud__ | maher Bac9 :sid |
| 06:06.14 | maher | barry: install it and edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and manually point ROOT to the root partition |
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| 06:06.24 | Bac9 | mud__: my udev from etch starts just fine with 2.6.10 |
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| 06:06.39 | maher | mud__: use the old udev from stable for a bit |
| 06:06.41 | mikeo | adding the line "startkde" to "/root/.vnc/startup" does nothing |
| 06:06.49 | mud__ | Bac9, i know i said unstable needs 2.6.12 not etch |
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| 06:06.56 | liable | mud__: check bts for sid |
| 06:07.06 | Bac9 | mud__: yeah that's why I recomended JeffH put udev from etch |
| 06:07.07 | JeffH | how do I grab the udev from etch? |
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| 06:07.16 | mud__ | maher, i dont have prob JeffH does |
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| 06:07.29 | deadcat | JeffH: packages.d.o |
| 06:07.29 | maher | JeffH: look in pool on your mirror |
| 06:07.31 | beenleigh | whats the name of a gnome cd/dvd burning application that comes even remotely close to being as good as k3b? :P |
| 06:07.33 | Bac9 | JeffH: either download it directly from the pool or pin it |
| 06:07.35 | sleon|tuX | how to tell sendmail to use an alternative spool directory? |
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| 06:07.44 | maher | beenleigh: just use k3b |
| 06:08.01 | Bac9 | beenleigh: there's graveman and some other one I can't recall |
| 06:08.03 | mud__ | maher, hes going to install 2.4 kernel in sid does that seem weird to you? |
| 06:08.06 | SDFH_Linux | cant put them on apparantly kgeffert |
| 06:08.14 | maher | mud__: no |
| 06:08.15 | beenleigh | maher, k3b wont install at the moment because i went and upgraded everything in sid |
| 06:08.17 | SDFH_Linux | i got some broken packages |
| 06:08.20 | mikeo | so how can i get vnc to start kde in its window when it connects? |
| 06:08.22 | mud__ | maher: oh |
| 06:08.35 | mud__ | maher, jusyt checking |
| 06:08.37 | Danar | oh, nice. i didn't have direct rendering under xf86, but do under xorg :) |
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| 06:08.48 | agrathwohl | Hi guys - can somebody help me with amarok? I am trying to get my sound working -- and I am just awfully confused |
| 06:09.05 | karsten | mikeo: man vncserver. Or google inetd vnc |
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| 06:09.09 | agrathwohl | I just started up my alsa engine and alsamixer finds me card and it is configured properly - though I cannot find any means of playing sound through it |
| 06:09.14 | Bac9 | beenleigh: install packagesearch and use that to find out |
| 06:09.19 | maher | JeffH: why don't you just not use udev and use a static dev? |
| 06:09.24 | SDFH_Linux | i thinks some of this maybe because of the bti packages |
| 06:09.31 | SDFH_Linux | i am going to have to wait |
| 06:09.39 | soleblaze | what're the modules needed to get sata to work? |
| 06:09.40 | mikeo | and how do i killx? |
| 06:09.42 | JeffH | <shrug> I dunno. |
| 06:09.44 | mud__ | agrathwohl, do you have pcm devices in /dev/snd? |
| 06:09.52 | karsten | mikeo: <ctrl><alt><backspace> |
| 06:09.54 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, until you straighten that out, I can't help with the dependency issues. I suggest though for futures, that you learn how to use apt-cache search to find suitable packages to install. If you need library headers then the always have -dev at the of the package name. |
| 06:09.58 | mikeo | /etc/init.d/? stop |
| 06:09.59 | Bac9 | beenleigh: gnomebaker I think is the other one |
| 06:10.01 | agrathwohl | mud__ Yes, I do |
| 06:10.02 | mikeo | in a command line |
| 06:10.05 | mikeo | over ssh |
| 06:10.08 | mikeo | so that doesnt work |
| 06:10.17 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, what Debian version are you running and did you modify your sources.list? |
| 06:10.20 | SDFH_Linux | ok thanks for your help kgeffert |
| 06:10.25 | SDFH_Linux | yes i did |
| 06:10.27 | maher | mikeo: what vnc program are you using? |
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| 06:10.34 | mud__ | agrathwohl, i assume you checked levels via alsamixer? |
| 06:10.36 | SDFH_Linux | a mix of unstable and stable and other stuff |
| 06:10.36 | mikeo | this is different... installing nvidida drivers |
| 06:10.41 | mikeo | and using tightvnc |
| 06:10.44 | mikeo | and tightvncserver |
| 06:10.46 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 06:10.48 | agrathwohl | mud__ Indeed I have - working perfectly fine in that section |
| 06:11.02 | SDFH_Linux | what do you run kgefferet? |
| 06:11.08 | liable | soleblaze: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 06:11.12 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, you didn't pin your version did you? |
| 06:11.20 | SDFH_Linux | pin? |
| 06:11.20 | ados | For some reason, background jobs in the midnight commander (mc, Ctrl-O) are always stopped. bg %n doesn't continue them, disown %n makes them stopped processes. Does anyone have different or similiar experiences? Anyone got a solution? |
| 06:11.22 | kgeffert | I run unstable on my desktops. |
| 06:11.24 | deadcat | karsten: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/video/demo/drumbstick.trick166[23].null.lavc.avi notice the link. 2 files. |
| 06:11.29 | chealer | mikeo: did you try krfb? |
| 06:11.44 | mikeo | nope |
| 06:12.10 | agrathwohl | mud__ I get sound output when I play through aplay - I just tried that now ... the problem is getting it to work with amarok =/ |
| 06:12.12 | maher | mikeo: vncserver just worked for me - though it runs gnome for some reason... |
| 06:12.19 | SDFH_Linux | what does pin my version mean? |
| 06:12.21 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, you have broken packages becuase while you can have multiple sources, some things aren't gaurenteed to work between different versions. |
| 06:12.25 | soleblaze | liable: thanks |
| 06:12.27 | SDFH_Linux | o |
| 06:12.33 | SDFH_Linux | how i pin kgeffert? |
| 06:12.38 | Danar | are there hot keys fro switching between desktops with 3ddesktop? |
| 06:12.50 | JeffH | aah.. MUCH better.. now I have /dev/snd/.. gonna log out and back in to see if I have sound. |
| 06:13.01 | mikeo | ye amine doesnt run anything |
| 06:13.02 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, if you want to be stable, but use packages from testing or unstable then you need to set your default-release to "stable" |
| 06:13.05 | mud__ | agrathwohl, ooooh its probably in preferencs i dont know amarok |
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| 06:13.09 | rob_lt | Danar: not that I'm aware of |
| 06:13.10 | mikeo | anyway how do i killx over ssh? |
| 06:13.11 | Bac9 | JeffH: so what was it? |
| 06:13.20 | SDFH_Linux | how do i do that kgeffert |
| 06:13.28 | JeffH | Bac9: what do you mean? I installed udev from testing. |
| 06:13.30 | Bac9 | JeffH: you installed udev? or older kernel/ |
| 06:13.31 | deadcat | mikeo: ssh to the box. killall xshits |
| 06:13.37 | maher | mikeo: does /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager point somewhere useful? |
| 06:13.40 | Bac9 | JeffH: ok so does it work now? |
| 06:13.42 | rob_lt | Danar: I used to make an icon in my panel that ran a script to run the desktop switcher |
| 06:13.45 | nvz | mikeo: how do you start X |
| 06:13.49 | mikeo | startx |
| 06:13.50 | agrathwohl | mud__ okay, thank you - I just don't want to use ARTS if at all possible |
| 06:13.52 | mikeo | so just killx? |
| 06:13.53 | mikeo | lol |
| 06:13.54 | JeffH | Bac9: need to restart kde to find out.. brb |
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| 06:14.04 | Danar | rob_lt: that's an idea |
| 06:14.05 | deadcat | stopx |
| 06:14.31 | muondude | Debian woody to sarge upgrade question: rel notes recommend removing holds; I have: kernel-image-2.2.19 hold ; I'm running kernel 2.2.18pre21 ; should I just remove the hold while at woody and proceed with upgrade (since I'l get a new kernel anyway) or upgrade kernel at woody first? TIA. |
| 06:14.36 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add the two lines: APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 06:14.47 | mikeo | stopx and killx dont work |
| 06:14.48 | mikeo | lol |
| 06:14.59 | Bac9 | deadcat: there's no stopx |
| 06:15.00 | SDFH_Linux | well it fix the broken packages? |
| 06:15.15 | Danar | there can be :p |
| 06:15.16 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, and APT::Cache-Limit "10000000"; |
| 06:15.20 | Bac9 | mikeo: X fineshes when the last process started by it exits |
| 06:15.43 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, no.. it won't. You'll have to do that yourself. But if you also need to be aware of where your installing the packages from. |
| 06:15.45 | mikeo | while i want to kill it over ssh |
| 06:15.51 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 06:15.53 | mikeo | so how would i do that |
| 06:15.55 | liable | mikeo: killall -6 xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:15.59 | mikeo | thanks |
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| 06:16.01 | maher | mikeo: ps auxw | grep X |
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| 06:16.09 | maher | mikeo: kill -9 procnum |
| 06:16.10 | SDFH_Linux | so i can still get packages from others but it will keep it from breaking? |
| 06:16.11 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, IE if you want packages from testing you need to do apt-get install -t testing packagename |
| 06:16.17 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:16.23 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, or apt-get install -t unstable packagename |
| 06:16.30 | mikeo | lol no process killed |
| 06:16.43 | maher | mikeo: procnum should be name of process |
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| 06:16.50 | maher | mikeo: i mean number |
| 06:17.03 | JeffH | Still no sound.. think I may just reinstall and use either stable or testing. |
| 06:17.10 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, but I don't recommend that unless you really know what your doing. If not it may be easier to upgrade to unstable or testing and just stay there. |
| 06:17.23 | mikeo | there isnt an easy command i can jsut type? |
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| 06:17.29 | SDFH_Linux | how i upgrade to just use unstable? |
| 06:17.31 | mikeo | last time i installed the nvidia drivers i remember there was |
| 06:17.41 | maher | mikeo: find the number of the process you want to kill and kill it |
| 06:17.52 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: so you want to upgrade to unstable? |
| 06:17.52 | zinx | SDFH_Linux: if you have to ask, you shouldn't. *especially* right now. |
| 06:17.53 | mikeo | not listed in top |
| 06:17.56 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, edit your sources list so that all the sources that have stable.. make them say unstable. |
| 06:17.56 | mud__ | mikeo, did you try /etc/init.d/gdm stop or kdm or xdm whatever your using? |
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| 06:18.00 | maher | mikeo: ps auxw |
| 06:18.01 | deadcat | zinx: shhh. let him. |
| 06:18.02 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:18.03 | mikeo | nope |
| 06:18.06 | mikeo | will try it |
| 06:18.11 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, then do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:18.12 | deadcat | zinx: i want to see him whine about it later. |
| 06:18.18 | zinx | deadcat: hehe :) |
| 06:18.18 | mud__ | mikeo, as root |
| 06:18.31 | deadcat | zinx: teach him a fucking lesson |
| 06:18.32 | kgeffert | SDFH_Linux, then when thats finished.. apt-get upgrade, to make sure everything is fully upgraded. |
| 06:18.41 | maher | mikeo: are you trying to kill X on the local box? |
| 06:18.45 | zinx | deadcat: That it will :) |
| 06:18.48 | mikeo | simple gdm |
| 06:18.50 | mikeo | that other one |
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| 06:19.05 | mikeo | /etc/init.d/gdm stop worked fine |
| 06:19.05 | JeffH | Not really looking forward to reinstalling all this.. |
| 06:19.06 | maher | mikeo: well run /etc/init.d/gdm stop then |
| 06:19.24 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 06:19.27 | soleblaze | ah I give up..I'll roll my own kernel |
| 06:19.35 | JeffH | the x.org server prolly hasn't made its way to stable or testing yet has it? |
| 06:19.39 | kgeffert | zinx, he's screwed already.. since he's installed various packages from stable and testing without proper pinning. |
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| 06:19.45 | mud__ | JeffH, nope |
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| 06:19.45 | chealer | JeffH: are you running sid? |
| 06:19.49 | deadcat | JeffH: no. |
| 06:19.49 | nvz | JeffH: nothing ever makes its way to stable |
| 06:19.56 | mikeo | lol wtf... "you appear to be running an xserver... installation failed" |
| 06:20.05 | deadcat | only things go to stable will be security patches |
| 06:20.13 | JeffH | chealer: yeah, though think I'm gonna reinstall and go to either stable or testing. |
| 06:20.18 | nvz | JeffH: nothing but security fixes to existing packages |
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| 06:20.26 | zinx | kgeffert: ah, the wonders of getting people to tell you just enough to destroy your system, and not bothering to understand it any further |
| 06:20.35 | maher | JeffH: run stable with testing/unstable in chroots |
| 06:20.37 | chealer | JeffH: yes. reinstalling is the only way to downgrade |
| 06:20.43 | mud__ | mikeo, you ctrl+alt+f1? |
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| 06:21.04 | JeffH | nvz: really? No wonder stable gets old after a while. I thought they would introduce new package versions.. guess not. |
| 06:21.12 | stjepan | hello |
| 06:21.17 | stjepan | I have adsl |
| 06:21.25 | stjepan | I have one router |
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| 06:21.29 | nvz | JeffH: if they updated packages other than to fix them, it would not be stable |
| 06:21.32 | stjepan | in windows xp I use wlan |
| 06:21.35 | rob_lt | JeffH: just give it a month or two till testing starts to settle down, and then dist-upgrade to testing |
| 06:21.39 | stjepan | it works very fast |
| 06:21.42 | JeffH | what device is the sound device with alsa? |
| 06:21.56 | JeffH | rob_lt: yeah, that's prolly the best thing to do. |
| 06:21.57 | stjepan | but in linux I use LAN connection through ethernet network card |
| 06:21.58 | Bac9 | JeffH: hw:0 most likely |
| 06:21.59 | beenleigh | testing is broken at the moment too? :P |
| 06:22.03 | stjepan | and it works very slow |
| 06:22.07 | barry | ok, I installed the kernel, and grub. Now, qemu /still/ won't work |
| 06:22.12 | stjepan | :( |
| 06:22.13 | stjepan | oh |
| 06:22.16 | maher | barry: what error |
| 06:22.22 | stjepan | what is the problem? |
| 06:22.23 | mikeo | lol screw this ssh garbage, just restarting the box and ctrl+alt+bkspase |
| 06:22.28 | kbs | Silly question -- what package contains cc1plus? (I have the gcc package, but presumably it needs something else to compile c++ programs -- what package am I looking for?) |
| 06:22.29 | barry | same...not a bootable disk |
| 06:22.45 | bush | is there a limit to how low pentium m processors can be scaled? |
| 06:22.58 | Bac9 | stjepan: maybe slow nic? |
| 06:23.02 | maher | barry: how ar eyou invoking qemu |
| 06:23.03 | stjepan | hm |
| 06:23.09 | stjepan | Bac9: how to check that? |
| 06:23.11 | Bac9 | stjepan: is it 10mbps by any chance? |
| 06:23.16 | stjepan | (btw I speak a little english) |
| 06:23.17 | JeffH | okay.. that's what I'm going to do.. I'm just gonna reinstall stable.. but it'll have to wait till tomorrow. |
| 06:23.20 | rob_lt | mikeo: I couldn't find an elegent way to restart X remotely either. I really didn't like the fact that if X froze, but I could still login via ssh, my only option was to reboot remotely |
| 06:23.21 | maher | kbs: g++ |
| 06:23.27 | stjepan | Bac9: what? |
| 06:23.31 | stjepan | I do not understand |
| 06:23.41 | Bac9 | stjepan: how do you know your wired nick is slower than wlan? |
| 06:23.46 | kbs | maher: many thanks |
| 06:23.58 | stjepan | Bac9: it works slow |
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| 06:24.00 | stjepan | slow download |
| 06:24.04 | stjepan | slow surfing |
| 06:24.06 | thechris | i am thinking of replacing my gentoo linux installations with another GNU or GNUish OS. firstly would you reccomend sarge or etch? debian.org claims they are the same at this point. |
| 06:24.10 | mud__ | JeffH, for xmms i needed /dev/snd/pcm.. |
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| 06:24.30 | Bac9 | stjepan: something else also using internet? |
| 06:24.32 | JeffH | just had a thought.. brb |
| 06:24.34 | rob_lt | thechris: they are not the same right now, and I would suggest sarge for now |
| 06:24.37 | barry | maher: qemu -hda /dev/hdc1 -boot c |
| 06:24.39 | bush | thechris: id say sarge |
| 06:24.39 | Bac9 | stjepan: what speed is it? |
| 06:24.41 | stjepan | Bac9: what? |
| 06:24.44 | stjepan | for example? |
| 06:24.52 | maher | thechris: they are similar - use stable with testing/unstable chroot's |
| 06:24.53 | stjepan | Bac9: very slow |
| 06:25.00 | Bac9 | stjepan: another computer using network? |
| 06:25.03 | stjepan | few kbs |
| 06:25.04 | muondude | hi |
| 06:25.10 | thechris | ok, i'm getting sarge atm. |
| 06:25.10 | Bac9 | stjepan: is it 10mbps or 100mbps? |
| 06:25.11 | stjepan | Bac9: I have one computer |
| 06:25.12 | muondude | Debian woody to sarge upgrade question |
| 06:25.13 | maher | barry: try /dev/hdc |
| 06:25.20 | stjepan | Bac9: 100mbps |
| 06:25.23 | deadcat | whos 80.220.195.123? |
| 06:25.34 | Bac9 | stjepan: and this same nic is faster in win32? |
| 06:25.41 | stjepan | no |
| 06:25.47 | thechris | i was also wondering about the init system in debain. I like gentoo's init system with the scripts named as to what they do. anything like this in debian? |
| 06:25.47 | stjepan | in windows I use wlan |
| 06:25.49 | stjepan | wireless |
| 06:26.03 | mikeo | wtf |
| 06:26.04 | Bac9 | stjepan: so why not use wlan in linux? |
| 06:26.07 | muondude | sarge rel notes recommend removing holds; I have: kernel-image-2.2.19 hold |
| 06:26.08 | mikeo | there is now way to kill it |
| 06:26.09 | deadcat | muondude: install a new kernel then dist-upgrade |
| 06:26.12 | mikeo | just keeps restarting |
| 06:26.13 | stjepan | Bac9: but how? |
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| 06:26.22 | barry | maher: now it says error loading operating system |
| 06:26.29 | maher | thechris: debian uses init.d/scriptname with symlinks into it from rc?.d |
| 06:26.32 | muondude | deadcat: do this while pinned at woody before my sarge upgrade? |
| 06:26.33 | mikeo | just did like 30 ctrl+alt+baskspaces |
| 06:26.37 | mikeo | and it just keeps restarting |
| 06:26.40 | nvz | thechris: they are in /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:26.43 | thechris | maher: you've made my day |
| 06:26.43 | quittt | what is export for? ps: I DIDNT UNDERSTAND A WORD IN MANUAL SO DONT SAY RTFM!! |
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| 06:26.43 | mud__ | mikeo, you gnome or kde? |
| 06:26.44 | Bac9 | stjepan: there are wlan modules for supported cards, or ways to use win32 drivers |
| 06:26.47 | mikeo | gnome |
| 06:26.47 | deadcat | muondude: no. install a 2.4 kernel in woody. then upgrade |
| 06:26.52 | maher | muondude: you should be able to upgrade keeping yourold kernel |
| 06:26.54 | mikeo | the thing it goes to when it boots up |
| 06:26.55 | Bac9 | stjepan: ask someone who has wlan |
| 06:27.00 | deadcat | quittt: shutthefuckup |
| 06:27.01 | stjepan | how to use win32 dirvers? |
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| 06:27.12 | deadcat | stjepan: ndiswrapper? |
| 06:27.16 | stjepan | I can use win32drivers in linux? |
| 06:27.17 | maher | barry: paste the command and error in flood |
| 06:27.21 | stjepan | deadcat: what? |
| 06:27.30 | nvz | stjepan: no, you cannot. |
| 06:27.33 | muondude | maher: so I can ignore the hold ? |
| 06:27.33 | mud__ | mikeo, you tried ctrl+alt+f1 > /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 06:27.34 | stjepan | oh |
| 06:27.35 | deadcat | stjepan: ndistwrapper to get your crap-ass wireless card to work on linux |
| 06:27.40 | stjepan | I have siemes gigaset se515 |
| 06:27.46 | thechris | ok, one last concern i had was with external repositories for, say mplayer. has anyone broke their system with external repositories? |
| 06:27.51 | stjepan | I do not have wireless card |
| 06:27.54 | stjepan | I have usb adapter |
| 06:28.02 | Bac9 | stjepan: first make sure there are no linux native drivers for your wlan |
| 06:28.08 | maher | muondude: you should be able to leave it on hold |
| 06:28.14 | stjepan | Bac9: how to do that? |
| 06:28.24 | deadcat | stjepan: you're fucked. |
| 06:28.28 | rob_lt | thechris: you shouldn't need many external repos... the only external repo I use is marillat which is for mplayer, and it has _never_ given me a problem. |
| 06:28.31 | stjepan | why? |
| 06:28.36 | Bac9 | stjepan: see on google if there are drivers for your card |
| 06:28.41 | maher | stjepan: which one |
| 06:28.43 | stjepan | card? |
| 06:28.46 | muondude | maher: Thanks very much! |
| 06:28.47 | mikeo | yes |
| 06:28.50 | stjepan | realtek *** |
| 06:28.51 | deadcat | usb and you dont know the chipset |
| 06:28.51 | mikeo | there is no way to kill it |
| 06:28.55 | maher | stjepan: what wlan adapter |
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| 06:29.09 | stjepan | siemes gigaset usb apdapter 54 |
| 06:29.15 | Bac9 | deadcat: lsusb? |
| 06:29.27 | maher | stjepan: hmm... that probably won't work - google for linux + exact model name and see if there's any hope |
| 06:29.32 | deadcat | Bac9: that shows the model |
| 06:29.39 | stjepan | maher: I tried |
| 06:29.43 | stjepan | :( |
| 06:29.46 | thechris | rob_lt: hmm. thanks for helping me. i should be putting debain sarge on a box tomorrow to test this all out |
| 06:29.48 | Bac9 | deadcat: donno, but I'd assume it shows as much as lspci |
| 06:29.51 | maher | stjepan: oh well... |
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| 06:30.18 | stjepan | hm |
| 06:30.18 | maher | barry: ok - i dunno |
| 06:30.28 | rob_lt | thechris: you won't find sarge as bleeding edge as gentoo, but it is very reliable. I'm going to wait a month or so and then dist-upgrade to etch, once things calm down. |
| 06:30.32 | stjepan | my device manager found wireless usb adapter |
| 06:30.37 | Bac9 | deadcat: I don't feel like booting up the other box to check how lsusb works |
| 06:30.48 | maher | barry: it would be nice if it said what the error was... |
| 06:31.02 | rob_lt | thechris: I was a gentoo user a number of years ago. I think you will quickly learn to love debian. |
| 06:31.10 | maher | barry: you could strace it |
| 06:31.28 | mikeo | finally |
| 06:31.29 | deadcat | Bac9: whats wrong with current box? |
| 06:31.41 | Bac9 | deadcat: no usb ports |
| 06:31.44 | stjepan | so? |
| 06:31.45 | thechris | rob_lt: there are very few packages i care enough about to be bleeding edge. basically nvidia-kernel modules and kde... |
| 06:32.00 | maher | barry: try qemu -hdc /dev/hdc |
| 06:32.05 | barry | strace? |
| 06:32.05 | deadcat | Bac9: lsusb shows my webcam is using pwc, thats because i HAVE driver. |
| 06:32.21 | mikeo | which kernel source would i want to download from apt? |
| 06:32.30 | mikeo | its i386 |
| 06:32.30 | Bac9 | deadcat: and if you unload driver then what does it show? |
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| 06:33.23 | deadcat | Bac9: i just jacked a prism54usb card in with no driver. it just shows netgear. not the chipset. |
| 06:33.35 | deadcat | whos viewing my gallery with a window browser? |
| 06:33.49 | Bac9 | deadcat: I guess it's down to visual inspection then |
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| 06:34.04 | barry | it STILL isn't working |
| 06:34.04 | Bac9 | deadcat: you have a gallery? |
| 06:34.23 | deadcat | Bac9: yes. and some fool is viewing it with win nt. |
| 06:34.34 | chealer | thechris: yes, of course people have broke their system with "external" repositories |
| 06:34.37 | liable | deadcat: is that a crime? :P |
| 06:34.42 | Bac9 | deadcat: what url? and what's wtrong with viewing it via nt? |
| 06:34.53 | deadcat | liable: on my properties yes (= |
| 06:35.07 | deadcat | Bac9: it taints my log files heheh |
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| 06:35.14 | deadcat | Bac9: gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ |
| 06:35.20 | maher | barry: try sticking the disc in the machine you want it to be in - btw the disc will probably end up as hda so you should fix things before you do that |
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| 06:35.28 | Yokalosh | I just mounted a drive using loopback over one that was already there and now nautilus has crashed and wont re open, it just crashes every time... what should i do? |
| 06:35.36 | chealer | mikeo: you have several choices? |
| 06:35.37 | deadcat | Bac9: check 2004/ linux world. |
| 06:35.49 | Bac9 | deadcat: pretty pictures |
| 06:36.08 | Bac9 | deadcat: and which are you? |
| 06:36.10 | deadcat | Bac9: ya. some are nice |
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| 06:36.25 | deadcat | Bac9: guess (=. i am the one scratching my ass |
| 06:36.25 | Cyis | anyone think of anything in Debian that mimics backwards-compatibility with RedHack's chkconfig command? |
| 06:36.47 | Bac9 | deadcat: tux? |
| 06:37.04 | deadcat | Bac9: haha. no thats the victim |
| 06:37.16 | Bac9 | deadcat: you did say "my" |
| 06:37.22 | Yokalosh | :( |
| 06:37.31 | Bac9 | deadcat: poor victum |
| 06:37.40 | deadcat | Bac9: i said I was scratching MY ass. |
| 06:37.50 | mikeo | are kernel headers the kernel source? |
| 06:38.04 | Bac9 | deadcat: that's the only ass scratching picture I notice there |
| 06:38.17 | Bac9 | mikeo: no |
| 06:38.24 | deadcat | Bac9: its like finding waldo to see that one. (= really good too |
| 06:38.28 | mikeo | while then how come the kernel source is not showing up on apt |
| 06:38.30 | barry | well, yes, I'll stick it in the maching, I guess |
| 06:38.35 | Bac9 | mikeo: kernel source is kernel source, kernel headders are kernel headders |
| 06:38.50 | maher | barry: have a boot disc lying round to fix it up - i always screw something up doing this |
| 06:38.50 | mikeo | what do i apt-get? |
| 06:38.58 | mikeo | cause like there are 10 pages of apt-get kernel-source |
| 06:39.06 | Bac9 | deadcat: can you give me a hint which image? |
| 06:39.21 | Bac9 | mikeo: pick one you want |
| 06:39.29 | barry | k. I wonder if it will work with a boot CD...my current floppy drive died |
| 06:39.30 | mikeo | kernel-image? |
| 06:39.31 | deadcat | 39 |
| 06:39.34 | mikeo | or is that different |
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| 06:39.53 | Bac9 | deadcat: ahh, same guy |
| 06:40.00 | mikeo | never mind |
| 06:40.24 | Bac9 | deadcat: where was the expo? |
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| 06:40.40 | liable | deadcat: that is you trying to hump tux? |
| 06:40.41 | deadcat | Bac9: sf,ca,us |
| 06:40.46 | deadcat | liable: ya. |
| 06:41.01 | liable | heh, why doesnt that surprise me. :P |
| 06:41.02 | Bac9 | deadcat: they still make linux anything in usa? |
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| 06:41.26 | Bac9 | deadcat: so which browsers do you consider worth of your logs? |
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| 06:41.50 | deadcat | Bac9: firefox? (= |
| 06:42.00 | Bac9 | deadcat: anything else? |
| 06:42.06 | sh|fty | Deer Park |
| 06:42.07 | deadcat | Bac9: dillo's fine hahah |
| 06:42.24 | Bac9 | deadcat: :-) |
| 06:42.36 | mikeo | where do the kernel sources install to? |
| 06:42.37 | deadcat | Bac9: but the gallery dont look good with dillo though |
| 06:42.39 | Bac9 | deadcat: nice and ast, don't have to wait for browser to load |
| 06:42.42 | deadcat | mikeo: /usr/src |
| 06:42.47 | Bac9 | deadcat: looks good enough |
| 06:42.51 | deadcat | Bac9: taht is true. |
| 06:43.25 | mikeo | damn takes a long time to unzip |
| 06:43.37 | deadcat | mikeo: its a big file what you expect |
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| 06:43.44 | nvz | mikeo: you better unzip faster while she's in the mood |
| 06:43.45 | mikeo | its only 31mb |
| 06:44.04 | nvz | those pepcid complete berry chewables are terrible |
| 06:44.08 | mikeo | a lot of small files |
| 06:44.12 | deadcat | Bac9: the second/third image on the linux world expo page is dondelecaro |
| 06:44.37 | nvz | they work good I suppose, but they taste like crap |
| 06:44.50 | Bac9 | deadcat: "dondelecaro"? |
| 06:44.59 | deadcat | Bac9: ya. the op in this channel. |
| 06:45.18 | Bac9 | deadcat: which one is he? |
| 06:45.21 | liable | deadcat: the dude sitting down? |
| 06:45.26 | deadcat | Bac9: dude with powerbook |
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| 06:45.39 | Bac9 | dead ah |
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| 06:46.12 | Bac9 | deadcat: nice humour section |
| 06:46.30 | deadcat | Bac9: ya. got it from other people's site. but they are funny though |
| 06:46.44 | mikeo | wow these are a real pain in the ass to install |
| 06:46.52 | Bac9 | deadcat: yeah some are real good |
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| 06:47.27 | barry | hey...I accidentally messed up a connection in my computer and it rebooted |
| 06:47.51 | liable | barry: well, dont play in there while its running... |
| 06:47.57 | deadcat | barry: tough luck buddy. |
| 06:48.11 | mikeo | wtf why cant they just make a package |
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| 06:48.20 | deadcat | mikeo: why dont you make it |
| 06:48.21 | nvz | I never even seen any photos on the linux world expo page |
| 06:48.51 | deadcat | nvz: theres on the comming month (aug9-11) so i am gonna take more for this year |
| 06:49.00 | barry | anyway, so, as I was asking, is there a way I could make a boot CD? just like a boot floppy, but on a CD? because my floppy drive isnt....in there |
| 06:49.35 | liable | barry: you have an install cd? |
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| 06:49.55 | nvz | my aunt used to live in Boston. |
| 06:50.06 | nvz | I don't think I am making it to SF by next month :P |
| 06:50.13 | barry | a Debian install CD?...yeah, three |
| 06:50.16 | deadcat | nvz: heheh. |
| 06:50.32 | liable | barry: well, boot from one of them. |
| 06:50.33 | nvz | my birthday is during the SF conference |
| 06:50.39 | barry | ok, so I'll use those...night |
| 06:50.49 | Cyis | who is planning to make it to LWE? |
| 06:51.04 | deadcat | Cyis: me and few other people here. |
| 06:51.25 | Cyis | deadcat: I'll be there as well... just a BART ride away |
| 06:51.29 | Cyis | already got time off work |
| 06:51.42 | deadcat | Cyis: hahah. luckily i DONT have work (= |
| 06:51.45 | nvz | If I left right now I proabably wouldnt make it to make it there in time |
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| 06:52.03 | nvz | unless I stowed away in an air plane or something |
| 06:52.26 | nvz | went to work and jumped in a box and marked myself for arrival in SF |
| 06:52.35 | deadcat | Cyis: theres also gonna be a linux picnix on the 14th(sunday) in sunnyvale, free burgers/hotdogs/drinks |
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| 06:52.56 | deadcat | nvz: where you at? (= |
| 06:53.00 | vinland | how do you see what modules you have loaded, or are suppose to be loaded during boot? |
| 06:53.07 | cyder | hello |
| 06:53.09 | deadcat | vinland: lsmod |
| 06:53.09 | nvz | deadcat: Pennsylvania. |
| 06:53.19 | deadcat | nvz: damn. boston is closer. |
| 06:53.27 | cyder | oke.. i want to install Debian / 3.1 |
| 06:53.31 | cyder | i'm a slackware fan.. |
| 06:53.35 | cyder | will i have problems? |
| 06:53.41 | deadcat | CyberK: then stick with slack |
| 06:53.49 | nvz | deadcat: yeah I'd have to wait for the one in boston next year |
| 06:53.58 | deadcat | cyder: ^^ |
| 06:53.58 | cyder | i want to test .. a new distro.. causwe .. who knows |
| 06:54.01 | liable | cyder: you should be fine. |
| 06:54.12 | deadcat | cyder: trye some live cd then |
| 06:54.12 | nvz | deadcat: maybe by then I will have time and means |
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| 06:54.16 | cyder | is there anything i sould know ?:) |
| 06:54.19 | cyder | should* |
| 06:54.27 | deadcat | nvz: heheh. |
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| 06:54.36 | deadcat | cyder: its free (= |
| 06:54.38 | liable | cyder: go to debian.org, read a bit. |
| 06:54.42 | Schiz0 | cyder- I'd say do a network Install. |
| 06:54.53 | cyder | i have |
| 06:54.57 | cyder | debian-installer on a cd |
| 06:55.10 | Cyis | deadcat: didn't know about the picnic... have to see what my schedule looks like |
| 06:55.21 | liable | cyder: just install it, make sure you can work apt, and away you go.. |
| 06:55.26 | deadcat | Cyis: its sunday. (= |
| 06:55.30 | Schiz0 | And don't run unstable, if you're new to it. |
| 06:55.32 | Cyis | anyone know if someone had taken the initative to try and get a booth at LWE this year? |
| 06:55.38 | nvz | deadcat: I just started a new job with the first brand new FedEx SmartPost facility.. can't really be taking off work for a week and flying to San Fransico |
| 06:55.54 | cyder | apt? |
| 06:55.56 | deadcat | Cyis: ya. dondelecaro, mtnman and few other dudes |
| 06:55.59 | cyder | it;'s like slapt ? |
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| 06:56.04 | Cyis | deadcat: yeah... I only really see my fiance after 8:30pm MWF and 12:30am on TT and the weekends :) |
| 06:56.07 | cyder | slaptget? |
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| 06:56.10 | deadcat | nvz: haha. true. |
| 06:56.11 | Cyis | would be cutting into her time wiht me ;) |
| 06:56.29 | liable | cyder: the package management app. Read the apt-howto. |
| 06:56.31 | Cyis | deadcat: great... I recall the debacle regarding a booth a couple years ago |
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| 06:56.50 | mikeo | is there a sources.list i can wget that has all the mirrors? |
| 06:56.51 | cyder | oke.. the main concern.. are debian packages more reliable than the slack packs? |
| 06:56.51 | deadcat | Cyis: take here too. its family oriented anyway |
| 06:56.57 | cyder | that's why i want to test it |
| 06:57.16 | Schiz0 | mikeo- All I have are the debian mirrors, and the kernel.org mirrors |
| 06:57.22 | Schiz0 | and the mplayer mirrors, because I use that. |
| 06:57.30 | liable | cyder: stable should be fine. If you want to run testing or unstable, then it can break.. |
| 06:57.32 | deadcat | Cyis: heres the debian booth http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/IMG_0021.JPG |
| 06:57.33 | Schiz0 | You don't need much more then just the debian mirrors |
| 06:57.48 | deadcat | cyder: wer dont know. since we dont slack |
| 06:57.51 | mikeo | while can i have someones list then? |
| 06:57.53 | Schiz0 | I'd never had a problem running testing, and I've been running it for a while |
| 06:58.00 | mikeo | cause no nvidia stuff is showing up |
| 06:58.08 | nvz | deadcat: if'n I go all the way to boston even I got to meet some ch1x0rs heh.. I wouldnt know how to act if I met a smart chic |
| 06:58.08 | cyder | hmm |
| 06:58.09 | liable | mikeo: add non-free |
| 06:58.18 | cyder | let's say that pat is doin` a good job |
| 06:58.33 | Cyis | grr... I hate stupid "generic software package installers" that use RedHat specific utilities |
| 06:58.36 | cyder | oke.. let me write the iso |
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| 06:58.41 | deadcat | nvz: believe me. aint no chickxors at LWE (= |
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| 06:59.11 | mikeo | E: Malformed line 13 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (Absolute dist) |
| 06:59.11 | mikeo | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 06:59.13 | nvz | deadcat: heh. 8) |
| 06:59.20 | mikeo | wtf does that mean |
| 06:59.26 | deadcat | nvz: the people with long hairs at LWE are NOT chicks (= |
| 06:59.31 | Cyis | deadcat: I'll have my 6'2" fiance with me... |
| 06:59.37 | liable | mikeo: your sources line is fucked. |
| 06:59.45 | deadcat | Cyis: thats tall (= |
| 06:59.56 | mikeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.56 | mikeo | E: Broken packages |
| 06:59.58 | cyder | cmeme, |
| 06:59.59 | Cyis | yeah... 2" taller than me ... when she's not wearing heels :) |
| 07:00.03 | cyder | cmihai : u there? |
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| 07:00.14 | nvz | deadcat: not worth the boston traffic then |
| 07:00.27 | deadcat | cyder: i am either wearing the tux shirt or the debian tshirt heheh. |
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| 07:00.55 | cyder | i won't comment bout the people that wear a debian shirt:D |
| 07:00.56 | ados | For some reason, background jobs in the midnight commander (mc, Ctrl-O) are always stopped. bg %n doesn't continue them, disown %n makes them stopped processes. Does anyone have different or similiar experiences? Anyone got a solution? |
| 07:01.10 | liable | info nvidia-kernel-common sarge |
| 07:01.15 | cyder | cause i saw yesterday on the subway.. a debian user... and he loked so... |
| 07:01.18 | rob_lt | Anyone here applying ck patches against 2.6.12? Should I disable preempt off when using these patches? |
| 07:01.19 | cyder | freak :D |
| 07:01.21 | deadcat | nvz: not at all. unless you hookup with the salespeople at those comercial booths. heheh |
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| 07:01.31 | Cyis | well I'll prolly be able to help man the booth atleast one day |
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| 07:01.51 | nvz | deadcat: I'd probably have conflicting interests |
| 07:01.59 | deadcat | cyder: what do you expect. when was the last time you saw a good looking guy/girl with a linux shirt? |
| 07:02.20 | mikeo | finally installing |
| 07:02.27 | cyder | i am a good looking guy :)) |
| 07:02.35 | nvz | deadcat: Honey, I just don't think we're compatible.. |
| 07:02.39 | cyder | and my gf is wearing a slack shit :) |
| 07:02.39 | deadcat | cyder: you have low standards |
| 07:02.43 | cyder | i made her to :) |
| 07:03.01 | deadcat | nvz: hahah. "i use linux, you use mac" (= |
| 07:03.02 | rob_lt | a slack shit? that's disgusting |
| 07:03.12 | cyder | uat:D |
| 07:03.15 | nvz | deadcat: doesn't mean you can't do some port scanning I suppose.. who knows might find something Interesting |
| 07:03.15 | cyder | black rocks |
| 07:03.15 | cyder | :) |
| 07:03.16 | thechris | cyder: made her? how literal? |
| 07:03.16 | rob_lt | you make her wear your shit? |
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| 07:03.39 | cyder | why not:) |
| 07:03.52 | deadcat | cyder: that sounds abusive. |
| 07:03.52 | cyder | i'm 21 she's 18 :) i can handle |
| 07:04.01 | cyder | so?:) |
| 07:04.09 | cyder | i fixed her windows pc;) |
| 07:04.11 | cyder | she owes me |
| 07:04.39 | liable | hah, at 6'2" she prolly pwns you |
| 07:04.49 | deadcat | liable: wrong dude. (= |
| 07:04.58 | cyder | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:05.01 | cyder | this one? |
| 07:05.27 | deadcat | cyder: just the one from debian.org, since sarge is stable. |
| 07:05.33 | liable | !d-i cyder |
| 07:05.34 | dpkg | cyder, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:05.45 | deadcat | thats the one |
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| 07:07.05 | nvz | on second thought I don't think port scanning on foreign hosts is a good idea.. might catch a virus.. heh |
| 07:08.04 | cyder | oke.. that's all :) |
| 07:08.05 | cyder | thx |
| 07:08.08 | cyder | bbl :) |
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| 07:09.44 | nvz | man, #debian is quiet on little freenode. its nothing like here. be a good place to hide on sunday |
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| 07:10.41 | Cyis | gawd I hate companies that make their installers RedHat specific |
| 07:11.22 | thechris | Cyis: even worse is specific version of redhat specific... |
| 07:11.25 | Schiz0 | Cyis- Just use alien to .deb-alize it :-p |
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| 07:11.56 | liable | nvz: little freenode? |
| 07:12.04 | nvz | Schiz0: that just makes a unofficial bastardized deb of non-free software |
| 07:12.11 | nvz | liable: the test server |
| 07:12.20 | Cyis | Schiz0: it's not in an .RPM it's in .BIN |
| 07:12.21 | Schiz0 | yeah, as opposed to what? not installing it at all? |
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| 07:12.24 | Schiz0 | ah. |
| 07:12.28 | Cyis | uses something called OpenPKG |
| 07:12.35 | nvz | Schiz0: sounds better to me :) |
| 07:12.51 | mikeo | got it finally |
| 07:12.54 | teufel | Could someone help me with exim4? I really have no idea how to start getting this mail server up. Even a link would be very usefull |
| 07:12.58 | mikeo | at 1280x1080 |
| 07:13.02 | caphuso | kzjx |
| 07:13.06 | Cyis | but it wants 'chkconfig' for handling init.d scripts and makes calls to useradd and groupadd that don't parse |
| 07:13.27 | nvz | I can fight my urges.. especially when what I got to work with is less than ideal I can do without. |
| 07:13.59 | nvz | some would say I am downright picky.. I say I'm carefully selective with things. (8 |
| 07:14.34 | thechris | ? |
| 07:15.03 | mikeo | wow |
| 07:15.07 | mikeo | now vnc works with kde too |
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| 07:18.34 | Angel-SL2 | hmm |
| 07:18.57 | nvz | like when they gave me a hookblade to open some boxes at work the other day.. having come from a roofing company I know well how to use a utility knife, and own a quick release with both straigh and hook blades.. I gave them the knife back and did it with my hands, rather than using a blade that was for something else entirely |
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| 07:20.34 | teufel | ok, sorry to sound like a total dork, but did anyone get really giddy-excited when they finallky started to become 'decent' with linux? Like when you figure out how much power it has over other OS's? |
| 07:20.50 | nvz | its not that it wouldnt work, its just not ideal. would probably end up cutting myself trying to use the wrong tool for the job. its perfect for cutting shingles, its not perfect for opening boxes. You use a straight blade for that, or pull the damn tape off :P |
| 07:21.08 | SDFH_Linux | i am just happy that i started to learn linux in 98 |
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| 07:21.37 | Nostromo^ | how can i view what ppd file a currently configured cups printer is using? |
| 07:21.39 | chealer | and still wearing the "_Linux" |
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| 07:21.46 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:21.55 | SDFH_Linux | no i do that for another reason |
| 07:21.56 | teufel | SDFH_Linux: I bet... I did my first install like in 2003, then just this summer, like last 3 months I am finally getting the hang of it. Of course I wasn't working with it constantly, I would give up because I got frustrated lol |
| 07:22.03 | nvz | teufel: don't let it get to you.. these small epiphanies will come and go time and time again |
| 07:22.06 | mikeo | whats the bootup script where i can add for programs to auto run? |
| 07:22.13 | r0vier-almargen | sets mode |
| 07:22.15 | SDFH_Linux | teufel just keep on its well worth it |
| 07:22.15 | mikeo | like servers and stuff |
| 07:22.21 | SDFH_Linux | to be free of M$ crap |
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| 07:22.25 | Nostromo^ | mikeo: /etc/rc.local |
| 07:22.26 | teufel | nvz: hehe it's not a bad thing, it's just interesting lol... |
| 07:22.38 | SDFH_Linux | and now with the new lh with more restrictions its just getting plain scary |
| 07:22.44 | SDFH_Linux | to run M$ stuff |
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| 07:23.06 | teufel | I am reconfiguring exim4 right now and I'm kind of confused... what is the difference between pop3 and smtp? Are they just different ways of doing the same thing? |
| 07:23.10 | mikeo | i have rc0.d through rc6.d |
| 07:23.20 | mikeo | and rcS.d |
| 07:23.25 | mikeo | which one? |
| 07:23.27 | liable | !rclocal |
| 07:23.34 | liable | !rc.local |
| 07:23.34 | dpkg | i heard rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 07:23.40 | mikeo | there is no rclocal |
| 07:23.40 | nvz | teufel: it can be a very bad thing. taking your g/f home after a perfect date, and you cant stop thinking about how cool octal permissions are.. |
| 07:23.42 | Angel-SL | mikeo: my servers normally run on startup auto |
| 07:23.45 | monmat | hello guys |
| 07:23.59 | monmat | I got a question |
| 07:24.14 | mikeo | whatever ill deal with it later |
| 07:24.14 | Daknet | I'd like to edit fstab to mount a floppy disk...how can I do this? |
| 07:24.18 | teufel | nvz: haha yeah, luckily I don't like girls =P Boys seem to be more understanding in the dork department but yeah I know what you mean |
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| 07:24.27 | mikeo | happy for now, got it up and running, with vnc, ftp, and the nvidia drivers |
| 07:24.31 | teufel | !SMTP |
| 07:24.31 | dpkg | well, smtp is simple mail transport protocol. rfc2821, or port 25 |
| 07:24.36 | Schiz0 | monmat- ask it. |
| 07:24.40 | nvz | teufel: sorry |
| 07:24.42 | teufel | !POP3 |
| 07:24.46 | dpkg | POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939 |
| 07:24.49 | deadcat | Daknet: use an editor |
| 07:24.50 | Angel-SL | where is x-chat |
| 07:24.57 | nvz | teufel: for jumping to conclusions and being an ass.. you see my point 8) |
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| 07:25.03 | Angel-SL | hmm |
| 07:25.11 | monmat | if "wysiwyg" is pronounced "wizzy-wig" how will you pronounce "wysiyws" ? |
| 07:25.14 | deadcat | Angel-SL: depends where you installed it to |
| 07:25.16 | monmat | possibilities are: |
| 07:25.20 | Daknet | ...sorry. I mean that I don't know which lines I have to add!! |
| 07:25.22 | Phated | The "dork department"? |
| 07:25.22 | Schiz0 | Just say what you see is what you get. |
| 07:25.25 | monmat | 1) vee-zee-u |
| 07:25.28 | deadcat | monmat: just like the way you write it |
| 07:25.28 | monmat | 1) vee-zee-v |
| 07:25.41 | Schiz0 | or what you see is waht you see? |
| 07:25.44 | monmat | 1) vee-zee-ius |
| 07:25.44 | teufel | nvz: yeah I do, no worries it happens all the time ;) The thing I love about most linux freaks is that they are too liberal to care |
| 07:25.45 | Angel-SL | deadcat: but i apt-get it |
| 07:25.50 | monmat | 1) vee-zee-eus |
| 07:25.51 | Angel-SL | !apt |
| 07:25.51 | dpkg | from memory, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
| 07:25.53 | deadcat | Angel-SL: dpkg -L xchat |
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| 07:25.59 | monmat | wizzy-us |
| 07:26.00 | nvz | teufel: heh, I suppose. |
| 07:26.36 | monmat | maybe wizzy-yous |
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| 07:26.46 | Angel-SL | !apt-get |
| 07:26.46 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask ... |
| 07:26.58 | liable | Angel-SL: please /msg the bot |
| 07:27.07 | nvz | teufel: if I leaned in to kiss a girl and instead of comming the other 20% she stops to talk about the latest gresecurity patch.. I am going to be a little upset, and she will probably end up talking to herself :P |
| 07:27.08 | azol | ar77 |
| 07:27.25 | azol | sorry |
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| 07:27.49 | Daknet | I'd like to mount my floppy disk. It's a usb floppy. What have I to do? |
| 07:27.51 | teufel | nvz: at least from what I've come across. Kind of stereotypical I know but most every other hardcore computer person I've met is like a non-religious liberal pot head |
| 07:27.53 | nvz | I've always wanted to meet a smart girl.. but not if they are a total geek and cant stop thinking about linux or something else |
| 07:28.04 | nvz | hah |
| 07:28.15 | thechris | nvz: i met a smart and attractive girl recently |
| 07:28.16 | teufel | nvz: yeah... would make a pretty funny comercial or something none the less... |
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| 07:28.26 | liable | Daknet: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/somewhere |
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| 07:28.41 | thechris | nvz: i feel like a geek becuase i think i may be more attracted to the fact she reads slashdot |
| 07:28.44 | teufel | So local main just means that it's all done by one machine rather than sending it to other machines right? |
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| 07:28.55 | teufel | nvz: where you live at? |
| 07:29.04 | nvz | thechris: I would definatly dump a girl for reading slashdot |
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| 07:29.22 | thechris | no love fro /. |
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| 07:29.25 | Daknet | I have no /dev/fd0 on my pc! |
| 07:29.34 | monmat | if "wysiwyg" is pronounced "wizzy-wig" how will you pronounce "wysiyws" ? |
| 07:29.35 | teufel | !dpkg |
| 07:29.35 | monmat | possibilities are: |
| 07:29.35 | monmat | 1) vee-zee-us |
| 07:29.35 | monmat | 2) vee-zee-eus |
| 07:29.35 | monmat | 3) vee-zee-eeus |
| 07:29.35 | monmat | 4) vee-zee-yous |
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| 07:29.35 | dpkg | [dpkg] the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 07:29.37 | nvz | thechris: I'd tell her to get a life.. and that hurts comming from another nerd |
| 07:29.51 | nvz | teufel: Pennsylvania |
| 07:30.05 | liable | Daknet: is the module loaded for it? |
| 07:30.06 | liable | lsmod |
| 07:30.20 | teufel | why dump someone for being a dork ? |
| 07:30.37 | Phated | She'd prolly laugh in your face and date a bigger dork. And then how would you feel? :) |
| 07:30.38 | thechris | i feel like a complete geek. |
| 07:30.42 | nvz | teufel: I wouldnt dump them for being a dork, I'd dump them for reading /. |
| 07:30.44 | simonrvn | wisiwig. wth do you get wizzywig? |
| 07:31.00 | thechris | we were going to play marco polo in the pool... decided to play TCP-IP... |
| 07:31.01 | Phated | simonrvn: Americans, eh. ;) |
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| 07:31.06 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.06 | thechris | SYN ---- ACK |
| 07:31.18 | nvz | they think this crap matters to geeks, it really doesnt. |
| 07:31.19 | simonrvn | eh, *shrug* |
| 07:31.25 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:31.30 | Daknet | I think no. Which would be the name of that mod? |
| 07:31.39 | teufel | I guess I'm such a noob I don't know what /. is even... googling it right now =P |
| 07:31.44 | simonrvn | slashdot is a cesspool ... |
| 07:31.56 | nvz | real geeks dont need gossip, they are smart enough to research things to find out about them |
| 07:31.58 | Schiz0 | teufel- slashdot.org |
| 07:32.28 | Daknet | I used lsmod, but nothing about floppies! |
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| 07:32.39 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.07 | teufel | so it's just like a current events page for computer stuff? |
| 07:33.10 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.17 | Phated | teufel: More like a tabloid. |
| 07:33.34 | simonrvn | yeh, really, like they're really news breakers anyway. get better 'news' from the register... |
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| 07:33.43 | Daknet | liable: if I don't have the floppy module loaded, what have I to do? |
| 07:33.46 | Phated | Eh, I like the Reg. |
| 07:33.50 | Zrin | how to make hdparm settings survive reboot? |
| 07:34.04 | simonrvn | yeh, at least they do research, and admit they're wrong when they are |
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| 07:34.08 | mactheknifeatchc | can someone help to configure/mount a micro? |
| 07:34.16 | simonrvn | micro what? |
| 07:34.18 | thechris | Zrin: is there a hdparm init script |
| 07:34.19 | teufel | Hm... doesn't seem that poserish at first glance... actually stuff I'm interested in like firefox gaining on IE .... |
| 07:34.25 | Phated | simonrvn: Also partially because they don't allow comments /. style. :) |
| 07:34.30 | teufel | I must be missing something, this is the first time I've visited though |
| 07:34.33 | mactheknifeatchc | simonrvn: a microphone |
| 07:34.37 | liable | Daknet: modprobe ide-floppy |
| 07:34.38 | nvz | there are worse things a girl could to faithfully than read /. that I would also dump her for.. like watching dumb kiddy cartoons faithfully like Dora The Explorer or something.. |
| 07:34.43 | simonrvn | if you want to make comments, write a web page ;) |
| 07:34.45 | Daknet | thanks |
| 07:34.48 | Phated | teufel: It's not the stories. It's the comments. |
| 07:34.58 | Phated | Not that the stories are very interesting. |
| 07:35.00 | cmihai | Bah, who needs slashdot / news sites when one has google :) |
| 07:35.00 | Zrin | thechris there is hdparm.conf but I'm not sure if it is really used at boot |
| 07:35.03 | simonrvn | mactheknifeatchc: that's usually called 'mic' in english |
| 07:35.19 | mactheknifeatchc | simonrvn: ok, a mic |
| 07:35.31 | nvz | Soap Operas are just as bad.. these have been around like two decades and its the same people fucking each other in a circle over and over and getting their fans all worked up shouting at them through the screen in disbelif |
| 07:35.39 | simonrvn | you don't mount mics, you plug them in |
| 07:35.42 | mactheknifeatchc | I want to use skype |
| 07:35.59 | simonrvn | m,ake sure the input on them is turned up, and play with it ;) |
| 07:36.09 | mactheknifeatchc | I did, but it seems not to work |
| 07:36.09 | simonrvn | go see #skype then |
| 07:36.20 | thechris | Zrin: it would seem the most logical choice. i though the hdparm settings stayed... never really checked i guess. |
| 07:36.25 | teufel | So I'm wondering why /. is so popular? I've heard a lot about about it before.... |
| 07:36.29 | teufel | Skype rocks btw1 |
| 07:36.31 | teufel | er, ! |
| 07:36.34 | Daknet | Ok, now I have ide_floppy loaded. Now? |
| 07:36.36 | Zrin | thechris they don't |
| 07:36.57 | simonrvn | teufel: don't bother with it, you're better off without it. it's even worse now with the fricking microshaft ads |
| 07:36.57 | liable | Daknet: dmesg |
| 07:37.08 | mactheknifeatchc | I know, but gizmo is not yet available for linux |
| 07:37.24 | thechris | Zrin: hmm, well man hdparm doens't seem to be of much help |
| 07:37.39 | teufel | simonrvn: I don't think I'd have enough time/interest to anyway, I just don't understand why it's so popular? Did it have some scandle or something? |
| 07:37.40 | Phated | teufel: Because the number of idiots on the internet is increasing at an exponential rate. |
| 07:37.47 | teufel | lol |
| 07:37.58 | Zrin | thechris look at /etc/hdparm.conf, but my server has lost the settings anyway |
| 07:38.08 | simonrvn | teufel: 'scandal', and used to, way back. went downhill after osdn bought it |
| 07:38.38 | teufel | ah |
| 07:38.41 | simonrvn | note way back is like 2-3 years ago, not 20 ;) |
| 07:38.48 | nvz | eww OSDN runs that crap |
| 07:38.49 | thechris | Zrin: i'm not on a debian install ATM. possibly there is a local user script in init, maybe local.start? |
| 07:39.09 | teufel | Much <3 for firefox gaining on IE though, didn't know that many people were using it. I love installing it on peoples computer and deleting their IE shortcuts (6) |
| 07:39.17 | Daknet | I've done dmesg...means this that I have to reboot my pc? |
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| 07:39.35 | drac | thechris: /etc/hdparm.conf IS checked on boot. |
| 07:39.47 | thechris | Phated: no, idiots, much like cancer, increase at a linear rate. |
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| 07:40.01 | teufel | So no one really ever answered me about SMTP and POP3, are they the same thing? work together? which is better? |
| 07:40.05 | Phated | thechris: Hahahahaha. |
| 07:40.05 | autobear | hi all, how do I change the default $PATH under Gnome? |
| 07:40.08 | Phated | No. |
| 07:40.12 | simonrvn | nvz: yup, same people that run sourceforge |
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| 07:40.30 | autobear | I change it in gdm.conf, but it does not work |
| 07:40.32 | thechris | Phated: though i'd agree more with the exponential growth thing. |
| 07:40.36 | Phated | thechris: No, yes, non-comparable. |
| 07:40.38 | simonrvn | hdparm has its own init script |
| 07:40.44 | Phated | Ehm. |
| 07:40.47 | Phated | thechris: Not you. |
| 07:40.50 | Phated | teufel: See above. |
| 07:40.53 | nvz | simonrvn: bah, fauk them too then :P for not defacing that crap |
| 07:40.53 | drac | and that init script makes it read hdparm.conf |
| 07:41.02 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:41.13 | teufel | Phated: ah ok, thanks... |
| 07:41.15 | simonrvn | nvz: *shrug*. at least sourceforge has a use |
| 07:41.41 | nvz | "News for geeks. Stuff that matters" I have taken shits that are more news worthy and mattered more. |
| 07:41.48 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 07:42.12 | ados | that's some good shit |
| 07:42.14 | thechris | nvz: indeed. i myself can crap gold |
| 07:42.14 | Daknet | liable: sorry, dmesg got a long output...I'm a newbye. |
| 07:42.21 | teufel | !exim |
| 07:42.21 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 07:42.28 | nvz | ados: doesnt have to be that good. |
| 07:42.34 | liable | Daknet: do you have /dev/fd now? |
| 07:42.41 | simonrvn | i must admit though, you sometimes see some worthwhile posts from thinking people, not just garbage, but it's now lost in the noise |
| 07:42.43 | teufel | !wu-ftpd |
| 07:42.43 | dpkg | wu-ftpd is, like, the "standard" ftpd for major installations, like wuarchive.wustl.edu (of course), cdrom.com, and metalab.unc.edu. Very configurable and powerful, just be sure you're ready with the security updates in your sources.list. Putting the "WOO" in "WEMOTE WOOT". |
| 07:42.54 | autobear | !apache |
| 07:42.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
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| 07:43.04 | simonrvn | heh, i wonder who added wemote woot |
| 07:43.16 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:43.28 | simonrvn | !factinfo wu-ftpd |
| 07:43.29 | dpkg | wu-ftpd -- last modified at Sat Aug 2 17:25:56 2003 by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 16 times, last by teufel, 46s ago. |
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| 07:43.31 | teufel | Does anyone in here use wu-ftpd as their ftp daemon? I can't seem to figure out how to defaultly send a user to a specific directory when they log in via ftp... |
| 07:43.54 | simonrvn | no, and i wouldn't use it, that wemote woot isn't there for nothing |
| 07:43.56 | Daknet | liable: I have a folder /etc/fd |
| 07:43.59 | nvz | simonrvn: my big point is geeks already study what they are interested thoroughly.. so they dont need this gossip site for "Stuff that matters." to them. |
| 07:44.21 | Daknet | the folder id /dev/fd |
| 07:44.23 | liable | Daknet: no. /dev |
| 07:44.25 | simonrvn | nvz: oh for sure, and the worthwhile posts are from folks that have done the research ;) |
| 07:44.36 | nvz | simonrvn: and nothing random people gossib about is news worthy myself.. its uncredible |
| 07:44.46 | liable | Daknet: if the dev exists, then you can mount it. |
| 07:44.56 | vinland | is it possible to screw up X with vnc? |
| 07:45.01 | Daknet | sorry...I have this folder: /dev/fd |
| 07:45.18 | Daknet | Why is a folder and not a file? |
| 07:45.19 | simonrvn | hmm, i have stuff to do |
| 07:45.29 | nvz | sleep! |
| 07:45.32 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.43 | simonrvn | it's not a directory |
| 07:45.47 | simonrvn | l /dev/fd |
| 07:45.47 | simonrvn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-07-12 23:30 /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd/ |
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| 07:45.53 | teufel | Just a general question to the room: Do you consider yourself republican or democrat? I'm thinking of doing my thesis paper on this... |
| 07:46.05 | ke6isf | teufel: Mu. |
| 07:46.06 | liable | Daknet: mkdir /mnt/floppy && mount -t vfat /dev/fd /mnt/floppy |
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| 07:46.12 | simonrvn | 1) neither 2) that's REALLY OT |
| 07:46.25 | vinland | teufel - I consider myself a right wing nut that hates both sides. |
| 07:46.40 | simonrvn | 3) you assume much by thinking most people here 4) care 5) are from the u.s. |
| 07:46.48 | liable | bbq time, bbl. |
| 07:47.01 | ke6isf | bbq at 01:00?! |
| 07:47.15 | Schiz0 | I would so BBQ at odd hours of the night. |
| 07:47.16 | simonrvn | he's in .au ... |
| 07:47.18 | ke6isf | Ah, wait, liable's in AU. |
| 07:47.31 | teufel | simonrvn: I know it's OT, just was wondering, trying to get a feel for it |
| 07:47.31 | liable | ke6isf: um, you realsise people are alive in different time zones? :P |
| 07:47.48 | ke6isf | liable: True, but at 01:00, I tend to forget. =^^= |
| 07:47.49 | simonrvn | go see #politics or #world-relations then |
| 07:47.50 | vinland | but anyways is it possible to screw up X with vnc server? My X worked fine until I ran vnc a while ago. Now I get this error when trying to start it. |
| 07:47.55 | liable | ke6isf: heh |
| 07:48.17 | Genesee | teufel: there are tons of channels devoted to that - and the same discussions, over and over and over.... :P |
| 07:48.17 | vinland | No devices found, no screen foudn. |
| 07:48.24 | teufel | simonrvn: I'm not wondering political ideals in just anyone, those are easy to find, I was thinking maybe linux users, or something of such |
| 07:48.28 | simonrvn | nothing to do with vnc |
| 07:48.36 | Genesee | ah... |
| 07:48.40 | simonrvn | read the x log |
| 07:48.44 | Daknet | this is the output: /dev/fd is not a block device |
| 07:48.44 | ke6isf | !mu |
| 07:48.44 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 07:48.53 | simonrvn | Daknet: no kidding |
| 07:48.57 | nvz | GWB is republican, so it can't be a good thing to be. |
| 07:49.22 | vinland | simonrvn - its weird, when I start vnc I can view X and everything in there just fine. WHen I goto my acutal linux box and try and start x I cannot. |
| 07:49.38 | simonrvn | different mechanisms at work |
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| 07:50.37 | vinland | so I can dimiss the vnc server as a possible source or cause of the problem? |
| 07:50.46 | vinland | man typo |
| 07:50.49 | vinland | dismiss |
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| 07:53.06 | hoe | hi! why there is no kernel-source-* for kernel-image-2.6.11? I wan to compile pcmcia-source and it's saying I need kernel-source, not stating kernel-headers to be sufficient |
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| 07:53.47 | MrKeuner | hi, upgrading to x.org gnome-panel is now at the lowest layer. All windows are at the top of it even if the window is sent to the back. ıs this a bug or a feature? |
| 07:53.53 | mud_ | hoe you sarge? |
| 07:54.07 | hoe | mud_: testing |
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| 07:54.29 | mud_ | hoe : 2.6.11 is in unstable |
| 07:55.04 | teufel | so dpkg is just a debian thing right? |
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| 07:55.17 | hoe | mud_: I have only testing lines in sources.list, a mystery then |
| 07:55.28 | hoe | teufel: yup |
| 07:55.46 | mud_ | hoe : no mystery 2.6.8 is in testing |
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| 07:56.11 | teufel | bah, I'm afraid if I try any other linux distro I'll just be totally lost... how hard is it to switch over to another distro? (not that I want to, just wondering) |
| 07:56.12 | MrKeuner | Teemu_K/ dpkg stands for debian package manager |
| 07:56.33 | teufel | !CNAME |
| 07:56.33 | dpkg | cname is probably Canonical name for an alias (domain name), or "You keep using CNAME records. I do not think they mean what you think they mean." -Inigo Montoya |
| 07:56.37 | MrKeuner | s/Teemu_K/teufel |
| 07:56.48 | hoe | mud_: you said 2.6.11 is in unstable, but I have it in my testing pkg list too, but only kernel-[image|headers] no -source |
| 07:57.07 | teufel | MrKeuner: ? |
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| 07:57.49 | ke6isf | teufel: It's a sed reference. |
| 07:57.56 | mud_ | hoe ; sorry i read question wrong |
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| 07:58.20 | ke6isf | teufel: Switching to another distro is like switching to another distro. That's all there is too it. You get the learning curve for managing it, but other than that it's pretty much the same as anywhere else. |
| 07:58.25 | mud_ | hoe : goto kernel.org |
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| 07:58.37 | hoe | mud_: :) |
| 07:58.47 | ke6isf | teufel: With Deb, you don't get (say) the bloat that comes with Mandrake or the other RH distros. |
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| 07:59.10 | teufel | What is an "A record" and a "CNAME record" ? This is in refference to DNS |
| 07:59.19 | soleblaze | anyone here familiar with using a Promise Fasttrack TX4 with debian? |
| 07:59.48 | ke6isf | teufel: An A record is a pointer for a name to an IP address. "chez-vrolet.net. IN A 64.81.44.251" tells the world that "chez-vrolet.net can be found at this IP address". |
| 07:59.58 | ke6isf | teufel: A CNAME record is an alias, for all intents. |
| 08:00.34 | teufel | ke6isf: ah thank you |
| 08:00.55 | ke6isf | teufel: A CNAME would take one name, and point it to another - which itself would have a corresponding IP address in the same zone. |
| 08:02.23 | teufel | ke6isf: ah I see... so if the A record "mail.mydomain.com" is set to the right IP address, that will catch all users@mydomain.com 's e-mail right? |
| 08:02.45 | ufoalien | yeah |
| 08:02.49 | ke6isf | teufel: Sure, if there's an MX record. |
| 08:03.46 | teufel | ke6isf: what is an MX record? I see the option on my DNS page but I don't understand what priorities are |
| 08:03.57 | ke6isf | teufel: "This is where mail goes". |
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| 08:04.25 | ke6isf | teufel: If you don't have an MX record, you either don't want mail or you're not getting it even if you do. |
| 08:04.39 | ke6isf | teufel: More than that, if there are more than one, you can get a priority listing. |
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| 08:05.34 | teufel | ke6isf: hmm ok, I see. So priority just means that it sends it to multiple servers with lower priority first? |
| 08:05.34 | Angel-SL | any1 knows what'll appen if /ctcp #Debian vesion |
| 08:05.49 | ke6isf | teufel: Sort of. Do 'dig mx chez-vrolet.net' and observe the results. |
| 08:05.51 | soleblaze | you'll get a flood of version replies :p |
| 08:06.00 | Angel-SL | yeh |
| 08:06.07 | Angel-SL | and i prob get banned |
| 08:06.17 | soleblaze | how do I create an initrd for a 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:06.27 | ke6isf | teufel: If it can't reach chez-vrolet.net, it will dump to mx2.speakeasy, who will keep trying until chez-vrolet.net comes back to life (and it can accordingly dump the mail off to chez-vrolet.net). |
| 08:06.50 | soleblaze | nope. |
| 08:06.52 | ke6isf | Angel-SL: Any reason you want to version everyone in here? |
| 08:06.54 | soleblaze | just a flood of version replies :) |
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| 08:06.56 | suppaman | Hi |
| 08:07.01 | bob2 | soleblaze: please don't do that |
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| 08:07.09 | apfel | I'm afraid this question has been asked several times but I can't find any information on the net. I just upgraded Debian from sarge to etch and bbkeys doesn't work anymore. From the error messages I can't really tell what's wrong (mainly: bbkeys: couldn't get client list from WM.). Any ideas? |
| 08:07.11 | soleblaze | and people asking you not to do it |
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| 08:07.20 | soleblaze | irsii and xchat are very popular. |
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| 08:07.42 | teufel | ke6isf: ah thank you |
| 08:07.47 | suppaman | in what file am I supposed to put a modprobe for my ethernet card module ? |
| 08:07.58 | bob2 | apfel: a) be aware etch is in development, b) what does the bts say? |
| 08:07.59 | Angel-SL | i just want to version everyone because i'm counting types of clients |
| 08:08.07 | bob2 | soleblaze: nowhere, just put the module name in /etc/modules |
| 08:08.07 | drac | suppaman: list the module you want in /etc/modules |
| 08:08.28 | apfel | bob2: bts? |
| 08:08.28 | soleblaze | bob2: how would that create an initrd image? |
| 08:08.35 | bob2 | apfel: /msg dpkg bts |
| 08:08.36 | soleblaze | oh |
| 08:08.42 | soleblaze | you ment that for suppaman i assume |
| 08:08.44 | suppaman | drac: o thx I usually add it manually in a rc level |
| 08:08.47 | bob2 | suppaman: bah, just put the module name in /etc/modules |
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| 08:08.59 | ke6isf | Angel-SL: *types* of clients? They're all IRC clients! What'd you expect? |
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| 08:09.14 | suppaman | ok thanks |
| 08:09.35 | suppaman | parameters in modules.conf ? |
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| 08:09.43 | autobear | hi all, how do I change the default $PATH under Gnome? |
| 08:09.47 | autobear | I change it in gdm.conf, but it does not work |
| 08:09.51 | teufel | what is a nameserver? |
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| 08:10.38 | suppaman | teufel: a server that resolves name |
| 08:10.52 | suppaman | or an entry in resovl.conf |
| 08:10.58 | suppaman | resolv.conf |
| 08:11.29 | ke6isf | Um... |
| 08:11.43 | ke6isf | teufel: http://www.howstuffworks.com and put "DNS" in the search field. |
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| 08:11.50 | teufel | suppaman: Is it the thing that deals with pre-domain domains? (forgot the word for it) Like if I own www.mydomain.com, does a nameserver point test.mydomain.com to the same server? |
| 08:12.06 | Schiz0 | teufel- That would be a sub-domain |
| 08:12.21 | bob2 | nameservers handle everything to do with DNS |
| 08:12.42 | suppaman | sorta.. I mean for sure it is a matter of DNS to resolve test.mydomain.com like www.mydomain.com |
| 08:13.05 | teufel | ah, sub-domains... if I wanted to make one like : test.mydomain.com is it just the same thing as making another virtual host to apache? |
| 08:13.05 | suppaman | but you need to configure a dns no just "have one" |
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| 08:13.48 | bob2 | teufel: and adding a dns record for it |
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| 08:14.12 | teufel | bob2: yes, an A record right? heh |
| 08:14.15 | ufoalien | unfortunataly dns is a very complex thing |
| 08:14.29 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 08:14.37 | bob2 | or a CNAME, but CNAMEs have catches I always forget |
| 08:14.52 | ke6isf | teufel: You need an animal book. The one entitled "DNS and BIND", specifically. |
| 08:15.11 | suppaman | I don't know apache's virtual hosts but nameserver deals with an application level protocol, i.e. there is a client/server transaction to have nameserver job done, I think apache virtual host are somehow "faked" |
| 08:15.18 | bob2 | hm, dns itself isn't that complicated, it's just pretty different to everything else |
| 08:15.32 | peterS | bob2: I *think* the main catch with a CNAME is that it is a full alias, like a text substitution. thus the domain name in question can't be used for anything else, like subdomains or other record types |
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| 08:15.52 | bob2 | hmmm |
| 08:15.56 | bob2 | that makes sense |
| 08:16.01 | suppaman | bad news |
| 08:16.02 | ke6isf | bob2: Only real catch is that a CNAME must be aliased to a domain that is in the zone file; you can't CNAME to (say) a dyndns.org domain and leave it at that. |
| 08:16.10 | krystalino | what is the name of the new testing ? |
| 08:16.10 | suppaman | I've got no more milk |
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| 08:16.20 | suppaman | I'll take _bare_ coffee |
| 08:16.23 | peterS | suppaman: you're breastfeeding a baby? |
| 08:16.23 | bob2 | ke6isf: hm, are you sure? |
| 08:16.27 | ke6isf | krystalino: etch? |
| 08:16.28 | bob2 | krystalino: etch? |
| 08:16.40 | mud_ | peterS, haha |
| 08:16.40 | krystalino | who is etch ? |
| 08:16.42 | ke6isf | bob2: Pretty sure. Only catch I know of, but I haven't played *that* intimately with BIND. |
| 08:16.47 | ke6isf | !etch |
| 08:16.47 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 08:16.49 | peterS | krystalino: the etch-a-sketch toy in Toy Story |
| 08:16.54 | bob2 | ke6isf: I thought a cname caused the resolver to go start from scratch again |
| 08:17.06 | suppaman | peterS: no, I'd just like to feed me actually |
| 08:17.19 | krystalino | peterS, mm, don't remember it in the movie |
| 08:17.22 | ke6isf | bob2: Not necessarily. CNAME aliases to a name that presumably has an A. |
| 08:17.32 | bob2 | but I know less dns than the average bear |
| 08:17.51 | peterS | krystalino: I never saw the movie. this is secondhand information. Toy Story 2, which I did see, I don't remember an etch-a-sketch |
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| 08:18.41 | peterS | ke6isf: I think bob2 is right. CNAME aliases to another name but that name can be anything - it might have an A, it might have subdomains, it might have an MX - all of that should work seamlessly |
| 08:18.42 | krystalino | peterS, i saw toy and toy 2, one year ago, bad memory i have :/ |
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| 08:19.41 | ke6isf | peterS: Indeed. You just can't point outside the zone. |
| 08:19.54 | peterS | ke6isf: huh? it's always worked for me |
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| 08:20.30 | ke6isf | peterS: No kidding. Never could get it to work on my end (bind9). |
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| 08:20.48 | peterS | ke6isf: in BIND syntax zone files, any time you refer to a domain name that you don't want the default domain appended to, you have to end it with "." |
| 08:21.04 | ke6isf | peterS: That I know. |
| 08:21.09 | blahdeblah | peterS: How can you not have seen the Toy Story films? They were classics! :-) |
| 08:21.17 | peterS | ke6isf: so in zone example.com you could have foo CNAME bar, or foo CNAME bar.example2.com. (with trailing ".") |
| 08:21.26 | ke6isf | peterS: Keep in mind I run a TLD for OpenNIC; I kinda have to know much of this. =^^= |
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| 08:21.35 | peterS | blahdeblah: I did see the second one, with my boss and his wife |
| 08:21.48 | peterS | ke6isf: "keep in mind" sort of implies that I'm supposed to have known this. I didn't (: |
| 08:22.15 | blahdeblah | peterS: Does this ring a bell: Woody the sheriff says "Draw!" |
| 08:22.18 | ke6isf | peterS: Indeed. =O.o= It's 1:30 where I am; you're supposed to know everything by default. =^_^= |
| 08:22.26 | soleblaze | arg.. |
| 08:22.34 | soleblaze | do you need to do anything special to get sata drives working in debian? |
| 08:22.58 | peterS | ke6isf: ok dude. it's not only 3:22 where I am, but I've gotten about 3 hours of sleep in the past 41 hours |
| 08:23.05 | blahdeblah | soleblaze: Works out of the box for me on any fairly recent sarge installer. |
| 08:23.27 | ke6isf | peterS: Go to bed! |
| 08:23.44 | peterS | ke6isf: workin' on it. just checking in with teh #debian, for reasons known only to God |
| 08:23.52 | blahdeblah | soleblaze: I'm running on a SATA RAID 1 array right now. |
| 08:23.56 | ke6isf | !beer peters |
| 08:24.08 | soleblaze | I was running a sata raid 5 in gentoo |
| 08:24.17 | soleblaze | and switched over to debian |
| 08:24.17 | peterS | thanks, ke6isf. good night, all |
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| 08:24.23 | soleblaze | and now the controller card isn't working |
| 08:24.38 | soleblaze | i don't have anything about it in dmesg, or anything about sata/scsi |
| 08:24.45 | blahdeblah | soleblaze: what chipset? |
| 08:25.04 | soleblaze | it's a Promise FastTrack 150 Tx4.. uhm |
| 08:25.22 | soleblaze | i don't remember the chipset..i tuses the sata_promise driver |
| 08:25.25 | blahdeblah | soleblaze: Isn't that an ATA "hardware" RAID? |
| 08:25.40 | blahdeblah | Or was that the FastTrack 100 TX4... :-\ |
| 08:25.46 | soleblaze | i think it might be fake hardware |
| 08:25.54 | soleblaze | but I ran it with the sata_promise driver and used software raid |
| 08:25.56 | nevyn | the problem is that most "hardware" raid isn't... |
| 08:26.01 | peterS | soleblaze: even ATA 'hardware' raid should work as a regular SATA chip, though |
| 08:26.02 | blahdeblah | Hence the "" |
| 08:26.22 | soleblaze | peterS: yeah, i had it working fine in gentoo |
| 08:26.24 | teufel | Thank you whoever gave me the www.hoststuffworks.com link, pretty cool site |
| 08:26.32 | blahdeblah | peterS: Depends on the chipset. I've had a Promise one that did work as non-RAID, but an ITE 8212F that didn't. |
| 08:26.34 | nevyn | and when the controller dies in 3 years you need a replacement that can read the ondisk format... |
| 08:26.40 | nevyn | world of suffering |
| 08:26.52 | soleblaze | nevyn: yeah, which si why I'll almost always use software raid |
| 08:26.57 | ke6isf | feh, bed. |
| 08:26.58 | peterS | blahdeblah: a matter of driver development, I assume. well, anyway. I'm several hours late for bed. |
| 08:27.18 | soleblaze | wondering if this card has problems working with nforce2..but i haven't found anything that says it is |
| 08:27.38 | peterS | soleblaze: the hardware raid vendors got together awhile back to converge to a common on-disk format. I wonder if that ever became reality. I was hoping it would, because of that very problem |
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| 08:27.43 | soleblaze | (i replaaced the cpu/motherboard so I had to redo the server..and well..gentoo's compiling gets old after awhile) |
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| 08:27.59 | soleblaze | peterS: who knows. it would make sense to have a standard..but if they haven't made one by now |
| 08:28.04 | blahdeblah | soleblaze: What sort of nForce2 board do you have? Mine is a Gigabyte and it has onboard SATA which i can run as RAID or just plain SATA. |
| 08:28.09 | nevyn | plus proprietary block drivers SUCK.. i was severely bitten at a clients site with a adaptec 1610 sata "raid" controller not being able to re-write files. |
| 08:28.12 | nevyn | nasty |
| 08:28.35 | blahdeblah | nevyn: *Finally* someone who agrees with me that software RAID is better! :-) |
| 08:28.38 | peterS | ke6isf: sleep takes units, you know. you could say 'sleep 7h' (: |
| 08:28.44 | soleblaze | blahdeblah: i don't recall, but it doesn't have the sata chip on it |
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| 08:29.03 | soleblaze | I think a lot of people think that software raid is better |
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| 08:29.21 | soleblaze | of course they each have their own set of problems |
| 08:29.23 | nevyn | blahdeblah: not to mention that for raid modes like raid 5 s/w is faster for smaller systems |
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| 08:29.38 | nevyn | where smaller is less than 10 disks |
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| 08:29.42 | blahdeblah | soleblaze: Hmmm... Not much you can do there. |
| 08:30.08 | qwertz_ | Hi! How can I find the largest file in a given directory and it's subdirectories? |
| 08:30.23 | blahdeblah | md driver, how i love thee. Let me count the ways... |
| 08:30.31 | soleblaze | qwertz_: sounds like a job for a shell script |
| 08:30.34 | nevyn | blahdeblah: need lvm as well tho |
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| 08:30.46 | blahdeblah | Way #1: you just work all the time |
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| 08:30.53 | DjStatik | Just a quick question ... I have a server in a data center, which they have partitioned with only one partition, no swap, no /boot, etc. It has Fedora on it, and for obvious reasons I would like to do somethign about that. I was wondering how difficultiit would be to get that server to boot using say a NFS root partition or similar so I can repartition that hard disk and debootstrap Debian on to it. |
| 08:30.53 | soleblaze | I had fun when I had a drive die on me |
| 08:30.54 | blahdeblah | Way #2: you fit nicely with LVM |
| 08:30.56 | soleblaze | in an old raid |
| 08:31.03 | soleblaze | and I bought the exact same model |
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| 08:31.10 | Daknet | how can I moun my windows partitions on debian? |
| 08:31.11 | soleblaze | except it had like 15mb less |
| 08:31.29 | soleblaze | so now I make all my raid partitions a bit smaller than the drive |
| 08:31.30 | blahdeblah | Way #3: I don't have to replace failed disks with something exactly the same size. |
| 08:31.47 | qwertz_ | soleblaze, thought there could be some nasty mix of find options |
| 08:31.49 | DjStatik | for that matter, can NFS root work if the servers aren't on the same network? |
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| 08:32.17 | blahdeblah | Daknet: mkdir /windows; mount -t vfat /dev/hdaX /windows (or -t ntfs) |
| 08:32.55 | soleblaze | nfs root can work if you can access the server from the computer |
| 08:33.04 | soleblaze | you can nfs root over the 'net! |
| 08:33.08 | soleblaze | and then hate yourself forever. |
| 08:33.09 | blahdeblah | qwertz_: find . -ls|sort -k7nr|head -1 |
| 08:33.17 | DjStatik | :) it's only temporary |
| 08:33.38 | DjStatik | just long enough to fdisk / debootstrap relaly |
| 08:33.57 | soleblaze | would be easier to hook up a cdrom and get a livedisc |
| 08:34.03 | blahdeblah | DjStatik: It takes unprotected Windows boxes an average of 20 minutes to get 0wn3d - how long would an open root NFS last? |
| 08:34.11 | DjStatik | agreed, but this data center is not at all cooperative |
| 08:34.11 | Daknet | blahdeblah: is it possible to edit the fstab file to do this auto? |
| 08:34.39 | DjStatik | it's like ... we provide Fedora, which is the only Linux distrib in existince, so why would you want anything else |
| 08:35.16 | qwertz_ | blahdeblah, thanks this was what I expected :) |
| 08:35.34 | soleblaze | Daknet: yeah |
| 08:36.00 | blahdeblah | Daknet: Yup - /dev/hda1 /windoze vfat uid=1001 0 0 |
| 08:36.19 | teufel | with the 'mail' command does that just send mail between users on your machine or could I do a 'mail blabla@hotmail.com' ? |
| 08:36.39 | blahdeblah | teufel: If your MTA is set up right, the latter should work fine. |
| 08:37.02 | DjStatik | The other thought I had ... there is a project called Depenguinator, which basically is a FreeBSD ramdisk that you write to the first 40 mb of your HD, then when the server boots the ramdisk is loaded, and you can set up your system. I wonder if something like this could be replicated with Debian |
| 08:37.03 | blahdeblah | Daknet: that's if you want user with id 1001 to be able to write the files. |
| 08:37.23 | teufel | !MTA |
| 08:37.24 | dpkg | mta is probably a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 08:37.28 | DjStatik | if the image loads in ram, it means I can partition / format the hard disk, with out those anoyiing "device is busy" messages |
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| 08:37.39 | teufel | blahdeblah: hmm ok thanks |
| 08:37.48 | blahdeblah | tuefel/dpkg: pick postfix |
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| 08:38.17 | Daknet | blahdeblah: what is Yup? |
| 08:38.27 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 08:38.44 | tobiasz | Hi |
| 08:38.53 | tobiasz | How to allow REPORT in squid ? |
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| 08:38.58 | DjStatik | I feel much googeling coming up to find a sutible solution |
| 08:39.04 | blahdeblah | Daknet: slang for "Yes" |
| 08:39.09 | dacer | hi, I need some help with apt. |
| 08:39.20 | Daknet | ah! |
| 08:39.20 | dacer | I want to upgrade from gnome 2.8 to 2.10 |
| 08:39.25 | Daknet | sorry! |
| 08:39.36 | dacer | 2.10.2 are in unstable |
| 08:39.38 | blahdeblah | Daknet: no worries! |
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| 08:39.56 | drac | dacer: That would require upgrading to unstable, and if you don't know how to do that.. then YOU DON'T DO IT. |
| 08:40.03 | blahdeblah | dacer: Word on the street has it that now is an unstable time to be playing in unstable. |
| 08:40.19 | DjStatik | bbl |
| 08:40.19 | dacer | I set in cat /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release "unstable"; |
| 08:40.37 | dacer | but when apt-get update or dselect, only appears gnome 2.8 |
| 08:40.43 | blahdeblah | dacer: You can, but should you? |
| 08:40.49 | Daknet | I edited fstab in this way: "/dev/hda1/mnt/wincvfat,gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=002 0 0" but it doesn't go...my win part are ntfs |
| 08:41.07 | blahdeblah | dacer: Sounds like you don't have the right sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:41.14 | deadcat | Daknet: gnome is 2.8 no matter what. |
| 08:41.17 | teufel | !sudo |
| 08:41.18 | dpkg | i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 08:41.33 | dacer | I set sources as say in http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:41.47 | teufel | So what is the difference between sudo and just using SU? |
| 08:41.49 | blahdeblah | Daknet: then use ntfs instead of vfat |
| 08:41.55 | teufel | or what is sudo good for? |
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| 08:41.56 | soleblaze | Daknet: change vfat to ntfs and there's a space between it and the options, not a comma |
| 08:41.58 | blahdeblah | tuefel: Control over who does what |
| 08:42.07 | deadcat | teufel: everything and nothing |
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| 08:42.19 | Daknet | thanks |
| 08:42.21 | blahdeblah | Daknet: man fstab; man mount |
| 08:42.22 | drac | dacer: don't do that, it's not unstable.. it's worse.. it's experimental. |
| 08:42.36 | dacer | 2.10 are in packages.debian.org |
| 08:42.38 | dacer | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gnome |
| 08:42.51 | soleblaze | 2.10 is evil. |
| 08:42.54 | soleblaze | it should still be 2.09 |
| 08:42.57 | soleblaze | er 2.9 |
| 08:42.59 | Bubbling_Zombie | it's in unstable. I used it for a while. works nicely |
| 08:43.08 | teufel | deadcat: well it just doesn't make sense, if you add a user to sudo list, that just gives them more access to the machine right? But just not the same ammount as the SU? |
| 08:43.10 | dacer | yes drac, pkg-gnome is experimental |
| 08:43.18 | Daknet | but I always have to become root to mount that partition....how can I tell my debian to do that auto without any questions? |
| 08:43.21 | dacer | but http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gnome are unstable "only" |
| 08:43.22 | soleblaze | until it gets a decent way to edit the application menu |
| 08:43.40 | deadcat | teufel: you can give a user ONE command that run as root. such as reboot or what ever |
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| 08:43.54 | Bubbling_Zombie | exaclty. That's what made me stop using it |
| 08:44.20 | teufel | deadcat: ah... you can't give them more? Like say I wanted to give one user the power to use rm and reboot |
| 08:44.34 | deadcat | teufel: ya. man sudoers |
| 08:44.35 | dacer | Bubbling. Do you have installed 2.10? |
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| 08:44.49 | blahdeblah | teufel: You can give them a lot more than one command |
| 08:44.54 | deadcat | drac: what did you say about the option Composite Enable the other day? |
| 08:44.55 | Bubbling_Zombie | dacer, yes |
| 08:45.05 | dacer | do you install with apt-get? |
| 08:45.12 | Bubbling_Zombie | yes. I'm on unstable. |
| 08:45.13 | dacer | or gargnome or other? |
| 08:45.14 | Bubbling_Zombie | it's there |
| 08:45.15 | soleblaze | I hate how 2.10 has the menus in /usr/share so they're root only..wat's that about..heh |
| 08:45.16 | teufel | deadcat: ah thanks |
| 08:45.32 | dacer | can you send me your source.list entry |
| 08:45.35 | Barna36 | does someone know about some online MUD game that can be played free from a debian box? |
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| 08:46.02 | Bubbling_Zombie | dacer, i doubt it'll do you any good. Just update your references from <your current flavor> to unstable |
| 08:46.04 | teufel | deadcat: so even if the user has sudo powers, they still have to type sudo before the command right? |
| 08:46.06 | soleblaze | i'm gonna go juggle some pci cards..i'll be back to bitch some more in a few minutes |
| 08:46.15 | Daknet | when I mount (as root) my windows partitions I cannot enter the folders where I had mount them as a normal user (only as root), why? |
| 08:46.18 | deadcat | teufel: yes. did you man sudo? |
| 08:46.22 | blu | Does anyone know a step-by-step tutorial on how to use USB DVD-writers with Linux? I searched the web, but couldn't find anything specific |
| 08:46.25 | dacer | ok, I'm going to see it |
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| 08:46.36 | Bubbling_Zombie | with me being on local mirrors etc :) |
| 08:46.37 | teufel | deadcat: yeah, reading it |
| 08:46.52 | Barna36 | does anyone know about some online MUD game that can be played free from a debian box? |
| 08:47.02 | drac | deadcat: Hmm. That it's fast only with NVidia propietary drivers in X.Org 6.8.2, and buggy. Or fast with sis(4) driver in X.Org CVS tree? |
| 08:47.10 | Schiz0 | Barna36- MUD? |
| 08:47.10 | drac | deadcat: Can't remember what I said :) |
| 08:47.44 | deadcat | drac: isnt that required for xcompmgr and transset once they come into sid? |
| 08:47.59 | Barna36 | Schiz0: MUD = Multi User Dungeon, its an internet game where lots of people interact in a game, usually role playing game |
| 08:48.02 | drac | deadcat: Yes, those use Composite. |
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| 08:48.13 | dacer | By other side, this week I see in a web a graphical tool to manage debian packages from gnome. anyone know it?. I don't remenber it's name |
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| 08:48.26 | Schiz0 | Ah, the only linux game I know about that is free is WolfET. But that's a FPS |
| 08:48.33 | Barna36 | dacer: perhaps you mean synapctic |
| 08:48.38 | dacer | yes |
| 08:48.40 | deadcat | drac: so we should have that option in xorg.conf then right? |
| 08:48.41 | dacer | it is |
| 08:48.48 | dacer | thanks barna36 |
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| 08:49.16 | drac | deadcat: Yeah. http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency, It's Gentoo but you can look between the lines, xorg.conf is universal :) |
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| 08:50.02 | deadcat | drac: is that debian on the screenshot you have on your site? |
| 08:50.22 | drac | deadcat: yup |
| 08:50.29 | blu | Do external (usb2) DVD-writers work with Linux? (Yes / No / Depends on the model) - I can't find any info on the net, perhaps I don't know the right keywords to search for |
| 08:50.52 | deadcat | drac: so you do have xcompmgr and transset. |
| 08:50.57 | drac | deadcat: KDE 3.4.1 has own Composite Manager, no transset/xcompmgr needed |
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| 08:51.57 | deadcat | drac: oh damn (= i've never used kde so i have no clue hehe |
| 08:52.12 | drac | deadcat: I just launched it few times for that fancy shot :P |
| 08:52.21 | deadcat | hahaaha |
| 08:53.43 | teufel | what is a good safe .torrent program for windows? |
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| 08:53.51 | Bubbling_Zombie | azureus |
| 08:54.26 | deadcat | teufel: wrong channel. |
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| 08:55.30 | Barna36 | come on, isn't there just one MUD player here? |
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| 08:56.19 | sour | ppl still play MUD's? |
| 08:57.00 | Barna36 | sour: MUD's are played a lot now, but in graphical environments, not text ones! |
| 08:57.01 | dawg | barna36, aardwolf |
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| 08:57.22 | sour | Barna36 like pimpwars |
| 08:58.14 | Barna36 | dawg: what is aardwolf? can it be played freely with debian? how? |
| 08:58.23 | CyzarX | hi, i have a .iso image with me. im using k3b to burn. if i drag and drop .iso into k3b , will it burn correctly? |
| 08:58.26 | Barna36 | sour: what is pimpwars? can it be played freely with debian? how? |
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| 08:58.56 | sour | www.pimpwars.com |
| 08:58.59 | sour | kinda like drugwars |
| 08:59.05 | sour | exept u have pimps, hoes, and gangstas |
| 08:59.14 | dawg | barna36, you asked for a "online MUD game that can be played free from a debian box" so why don't you guess what it is |
| 08:59.51 | concept10 | CyzarX, Just pick burn ISO from the menu |
| 08:59.53 | Barna36 | dawg: where is aardwolf's web page? |
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| 08:59.58 | sour | Barna36 aofk eokf aejif aifjap, femefim efihefueh fj eok fui ds jfiej kom fenm widjefjei jfiejf. |
| 09:00.17 | dawg | barna36, is google inaccessible on your planet? :( |
| 09:00.19 | sour | button bashing is so much easier than yping |
| 09:00.22 | Overand | What am I doing wrong here? $ sudo mount -t smbfs //ipaddress/dir /mnt/mountpoint |
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| 09:00.58 | nevyn | Overand: not supplying a username? |
| 09:01.08 | Wilson | Can you help me too find a chanel too talk abaut programming |
| 09:01.22 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 09:01.32 | Schiz0 | Wilson- What language of programming? |
| 09:01.33 | nevyn | my sid box hasn't gotten the apt upgrade... ;) |
| 09:01.40 | teufel | lets say I have all my domains set up in a folder /web/domain1 /web/domain2 ect... is there a way to give a perminant group ownership to the /web folder so that anything created in it will belong to the same group? |
| 09:01.42 | concept10 | Wilson, what irc client do you use |
| 09:01.45 | Wilson | Java |
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| 09:01.47 | Overand | nevyn: trying to pass a username, same error, the ol 'bad type, or superblock' etc |
| 09:01.49 | CyzarX | concept10 , in the menu, it only has new audio cd project, new data cd project, new data dvd project, copy dvd. i dont see any burn iso |
| 09:01.56 | fffffh | Thereis a equivalent tool in debian for chkconfig ? |
| 09:01.58 | nevyn | Overand: do you have smbfs installed? |
| 09:02.04 | Overand | like... i don't know what's up, i've mounted samba before, it isn't rocket science |
| 09:02.07 | Overand | yeah |
| 09:02.10 | Overand | i've used this box, in fact, within a week |
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| 09:02.14 | Overand | and it hasn't been rebooted |
| 09:02.16 | Wilson | X-Chat |
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| 09:02.35 | Overand | it's an *instant* error too |
| 09:02.42 | concept10 | Wilson, pull up your channel list and go browsing |
| 09:02.44 | Overand | no pause or anything |
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| 09:03.00 | adaran | is there any "clean" way to install j2ee ? i tried make-jpkg, but it only seems to work on j2se and the like |
| 09:03.08 | xidaux | Are 'double precision floating point operations' used mostly for graphics ? |
| 09:03.19 | concept10 | CyzarX, Tools > CD > Burn CD image |
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| 09:03.51 | CyzarX | concept10, :O . tyty :) |
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| 09:04.24 | concept10 | CyzarX, the easiest way to learn apps is to browse the menus |
| 09:04.25 | intero | i am having some issues since last sid upgrade (xsession-errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4wktHk91.html). know a solution? |
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| 09:05.12 | Wilson | concept10 Can you give me the Shell command |
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| 09:05.28 | concept10 | Wilson, for what? |
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| 09:05.50 | Overand | nevyn: i wonder if the fact that the computer i was trying to reach the share on is not available on the network could have anything to do with it? ::forehead smack:: |
| 09:05.54 | Wilson | for pull up the channel list |
| 09:06.15 | drac | Wilson: /list ? |
| 09:06.25 | RichiH | Wilson: with xchat, you can select a channel window from the windows menu, i think |
| 09:06.25 | Wilson | thx |
| 09:06.32 | nevyn | Overand: :) |
| 09:06.39 | concept10 | Using XChat from CLI? |
| 09:06.59 | Overand | oh. wait. no, it's accessible to the network, the *shares* just aren't. windows problem, heh. |
| 09:07.04 | maynanian | hi ... i were just installed debian linux, why can't i open binary files, such jre, realplayer... when i try at the terminal ./blahblah/blah.bin it says : permission denied .. *while i do so as root* =\ someone ? |
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| 09:07.48 | Overand | ugh i hate windows. i can get to it from another windows box via \\'name' but not via \\'ip' gragh23$!@#$ |
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| 09:08.31 | Overand | no, that's not the problem either |
| 09:08.33 | Overand | what the hell |
| 09:08.56 | concept10 | That new movie march of the penguins shoould have a linux promo at the beginning |
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| 09:09.28 | concept10 | I dont see how someone didnt take advantage of that |
| 09:11.40 | maynanian | hi ... i were just installed debian linux, why can't i open binary files, such jre, realplayer... when i try at the terminal ./blahblah/blah.bin it says : permission denied .. *while i do so as root* =\ someone ? |
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| 09:13.00 | Overand | ugh it *is* the smbfs package |
| 09:13.05 | Overand | how the hell did that get removed? |
| 09:13.10 | concept10 | maynanian, when you download stuff like jre and realplayer you have to change permissions chmod...if you read the realplayer installation instructions you will see that |
| 09:13.31 | teufel | w00tzors just got mail server running finally ;) |
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| 09:14.28 | Pego | hi |
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| 09:15.32 | maynanian | concept10: oh thanks.. i will try =) |
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| 09:16.20 | soleblaze | does debian use the devfs or udev or what? |
| 09:17.16 | concept10 | soleblaze, I think devfs is deprecated throughout linux |
| 09:17.35 | soleblaze | it's deprecated in 2.6.x |
| 09:17.40 | nevyn | soleblaze: it's something of a religious debate ;) |
| 09:17.45 | soleblaze | but distros still use it |
| 09:17.49 | soleblaze | well, what does it use by default? |
| 09:17.50 | nevyn | soleblaze: udev has had issues. |
| 09:17.55 | nevyn | soleblaze: neither. |
| 09:18.06 | intero | i am having some issues since last sid upgrade (xsession-errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4wktHk91.html). know a solution? |
| 09:18.06 | nevyn | soleblaze: static oldschool dev |
| 09:18.10 | soleblaze | ah well, then i'll put in devfs |
| 09:18.15 | POVaddct | plain /dev, with real devices nodes |
| 09:18.23 | nevyn | soleblaze: I'd encourage you to use udev instead. |
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| 09:18.55 | soleblaze | eh.. alright, after i'm done customizing the kernel i'll look up how to do udev |
| 09:18.57 | nevyn | soleblaze: I use udev and hal mainly because I have multiple usb mass storage devices and udev handles this nicer than devfs does |
| 09:19.23 | nevyn | udev knows the difference between my camera and my usbkey |
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| 09:20.08 | soleblaze | yeah, this is for a file server though..pretty static |
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| 09:20.12 | soleblaze | I use OS X for my desktop |
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| 09:20.44 | nevyn | if it's for a fileserver just leave it as is. |
| 09:20.55 | zara | where i go to get free debian to my mail ? witch site ? |
| 09:20.55 | krystalino | soleblaze, does os X exists for i386 ? |
| 09:21.05 | soleblaze | not yet :p |
| 09:21.07 | soleblaze | I'm using Mac OS X 10.4.2 (8C46) ||| On A: iMac G5 ||| With: 1 x PowerPC G5 (3.0) ||| Speed: 2 GHz ||| RAM Usage: 710 MB / 1 GB [||||||||||] ||| Disk Space: 189.80 GB with 84.12 GB Free ||| Number of processes: 71 ||| Uptime: 3:21 up 3 days, 2:25, 2 users, load averages: 1.32 1.16 1.04 - [aVirtualInferno] |
| 09:21.30 | krystalino | when is it planed to be available ? |
| 09:21.47 | soleblaze | next year I think, but officially will just support apple software |
| 09:21.53 | soleblaze | but someone'll hack it to run on x86 |
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| 09:22.06 | zara | where i go to get free debian to my mail ? witch site ? anyone..i had acount there but i forget the site :( |
| 09:22.08 | soleblaze | regular x86 that is |
| 09:22.22 | simonrvn | soleblaze: not that hard, netbsd already runs on many arches |
| 09:22.40 | simonrvn | zara: ENOPARSE |
| 09:22.54 | soleblaze | it's mainly driver support |
| 09:22.57 | soleblaze | afaik |
| 09:23.07 | soleblaze | i haven't kept up that much with the intel switch |
| 09:23.21 | soleblaze | I got this machine 3 days before the announcement lol |
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| 09:23.54 | chugga | debian DVD help anyone? |
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| 09:24.15 | zara | ENOPARSE?what the site ? |
| 09:24.21 | chugga | i see a woody-i386-DVD.template file - how do i use it? |
| 09:24.30 | Bubbling_Zombie | use jigdo |
| 09:24.30 | simonrvn | zara: what are you talking about? |
| 09:24.54 | chugga | Bubbling_Zombie, jigdo? |
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| 09:25.07 | simonrvn | !jigdo |
| 09:25.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 09:25.07 | Bubbling_Zombie | chugga, http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 09:25.12 | Bubbling_Zombie | >_< |
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| 09:25.27 | zara | i typed my mail once in a site and i got free debian cds..,now a friend of mine wants to..but i foget the site |
| 09:25.37 | zara | i got to it from debian.net but now i seem lost |
| 09:25.41 | teufel | Where would I find the option in httpd.conf that points to what page is shown if the server can't find the requested file on your server? |
| 09:25.56 | xidaux | Are 'double precision floating point operations' used mostly for graphics ? |
| 09:26.03 | simonrvn | zara: never heard of that. maybe you're thinking ubuntu cds? |
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| 09:26.27 | chugga | Bubbling_Zombie, ok. how does it work? |
| 09:26.32 | FruitFly | yes that is interesting teufel |
| 09:26.38 | simonrvn | teufel: does that auto, found in /usr/share/apache or such |
| 09:26.42 | Bubbling_Zombie | read the howto on the site. It's quite clear actually. |
| 09:26.49 | Bubbling_Zombie | are you on windows? |
| 09:26.56 | simonrvn | what? |
| 09:26.57 | FruitFly | thx simonrvn |
| 09:27.32 | chugga | actually never mind, |
| 09:27.47 | simonrvn | ugh, i always hate doing that, even if i'm in front of it =) |
| 09:27.51 | suppaman | bye |
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| 09:28.08 | Yokalosh | i just added a ntfs drive to fstab but i think i got the permissions wrong, what should they be so that all users can read and execute it? |
| 09:28.24 | simonrvn | 755,644, man mount, man fstab |
| 09:29.34 | Yokalosh | ? |
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| 09:30.17 | chugga | bubbling, can you help me select a cd image to download/ |
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| 09:30.53 | tzafrir_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.14 | Bubbling_Zombie | well, normally the first cd aughta suffice. I installed my system with that and afterwards used apt-get to grab stuff of the servers. You might even go with the netinstall, if your network card is recognized under debian. |
| 09:31.16 | Yokalosh | the drive |
| 09:31.21 | Yokalosh | u know in the permissions |
| 09:31.23 | RichiH | tzafrir_laptop: the rebels |
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| 09:31.28 | teufel | simonrvn: well I know where httpd.conf is, I just can't find the file that is used as default for it |
| 09:32.35 | chugga | Bubbling. Ok, have a look here and tell me which one to get |
| 09:33.22 | qwertz_ | Does anybody know what the capability kernel module is good for? vsftpd didn't work until I loaded it by hand. |
| 09:33.42 | tzafrir_laptop | RichiH, execute or kill? |
| 09:33.46 | bob2 | for kernel capabilities |
| 09:33.57 | bob2 | e.g. giving a process the ability to chroot |
| 09:34.00 | bob2 | or whatever |
| 09:34.07 | bob2 | without having the ability to load a kernel rootkit |
| 09:34.07 | soleblaze | haha..well that's interesting |
| 09:34.18 | soleblaze | tried using devfs and none of my hard drives came up in /dev |
| 09:34.19 | krystalino | is debian posix ? |
| 09:34.19 | chugga | 3.1 vs current vs potato vs slinky vs woody |
| 09:34.22 | chugga | which one should i get.. |
| 09:34.38 | bob2 | krystalino: ish |
| 09:34.44 | bob2 | chugga: 3.1... |
| 09:34.44 | Bubbling_Zombie | what kind of system are you setting up? server, desktop, ... |
| 09:34.46 | tzafrir_laptop | 3.1 is current |
| 09:34.48 | drac | chugga: 3.1 is current |
| 09:35.05 | Yokalosh | tzafrir_laptop: what should they be? |
| 09:35.20 | chugga | under current they have 30rc |
| 09:35.26 | tzafrir_laptop | krystalino, I am not aware of any unix-like OS that is strictly posix |
| 09:35.41 | teufel | !scoreboard |
| 09:35.43 | bob2 | chugga: no, they don't |
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| 09:35.49 | bob2 | perhaps "3.0rc1" |
| 09:35.54 | drac | chugga: www.debian.org, forget about the page you are in now. |
| 09:36.01 | qwertz_ | bob2, interesting, had rebuild the kernel with old debian .config (needed the serverworks module static and didn't change anything else - at least I thought so) on my local box capability is loaded by default, so do you know any reason why the new kernel wouldn't load it by default (debian sarge box)? |
| 09:36.01 | chugga | bob2, yep thats what it was i think |
| 09:36.08 | teufel | !pid |
| 09:36.12 | tzafrir_laptop | chugga, then this must be a mirror that is not up-to-date. Where are you looking at? |
| 09:36.13 | RichiH | chugga: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en-gb.html#netinst-stable |
| 09:36.17 | teufel | what are .pid files? |
| 09:36.24 | bob2 | qwertz_: no |
| 09:36.26 | simonrvn | teufel: go read the apache docs on their site |
| 09:36.35 | chugga | http://ftp.iinet.net.au/linux/debian/debian-cd/images/ |
| 09:36.40 | bob2 | teufel: a file containing the pid of a program so it can be easily stopped |
| 09:36.51 | tzafrir_laptop | qwertz_, strange. Why not put it in the kernel itself? |
| 09:36.56 | teufel | what is pid again? lol |
| 09:36.59 | chugga | my isp mirror .. i have download limits except if i get them off my isp |
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| 09:37.05 | qwertz_ | bob2, thanks anyway |
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| 09:37.39 | soleblaze | hm..this makes no sense |
| 09:37.47 | qwertz_ | tzafrir_laptop, I'm tired - at least for today - of kernel compiling and having headaches with not working serverworks modules ;) |
| 09:38.00 | wintix | hi there. i have an acer aspire notebook and want to install debian. the 2.4 kernel hang while loading hw_random and the 2.6 kernel hangs after "ok, now booting the kernel" any ideas? |
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| 09:38.38 | bob2 | chugga: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 09:38.45 | tzafrir_laptop | chugga, http://ftp.iinet.net.au/linux/debian/debian-cd/images/3.1_r0a/i386/ |
| 09:38.48 | RichiH | chugga: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/linux/debian/debian-cd/images/3.1_r0a/ then |
| 09:38.49 | bob2 | chugga: download that, then finish the installing using iinet's mirror |
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| 09:39.07 | chugga | Alright, im on it! |
| 09:39.17 | tzafrir_laptop | I'd recommend the netinst rather than the business card . A bit more to load, but much simpler install |
| 09:39.32 | RichiH | all this bandwidth crazyness.. :/ |
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| 09:41.50 | soleblaze | how do you totally remove a package |
| 09:42.07 | bob2 | man apt-get |
| 09:42.09 | bob2 | hint: remove |
| 09:42.16 | bvp_guest1 | hello, I just successfully installed sarge with X and gnome, but my mouse keeps on jumping to the left bottom corner of my screen, what did I do wrong? |
| 09:42.19 | bob2 | also --purge |
| 09:42.28 | bob2 | bvp_guest1: probably using the wrong mouse protocol |
| 09:42.40 | soleblaze | --purge is probably what I'm looking for |
| 09:43.03 | bvp_guest1 | bob2, it's a 2 button, dare I say it... microsoft mouse. |
| 09:43.36 | bob2 | perhaps the ms protocol is what you want |
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| 09:44.03 | bvp_guest1 | bob2, I selected /dev/psaux as the device and ps/2 as the protocol, I'll look for that. |
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| 09:44.34 | simonrvn | imps2 or intellimouse |
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| 09:44.58 | bvp_guest1 | simonrvn, even for a two button mouse? ok, thanks for the help. |
| 09:45.47 | bvp_guest1 | Well, I'm not running my IRC client in a screen session, so I'll have to part to try the new settings, be right back. |
| 09:46.11 | soleblaze | wonder if it's a udev problem on why I'm not seeing my sata drives |
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| 09:51.39 | chugga | ok one more question please .. how do i backup my home directory onto a cd and make sure all the hidden files and things get stored as i'd expect them to. Should i make a tarball first? If anyone could give me some tips i'd appreciate it |
| 09:52.01 | simonrvn | making a tarball would save space |
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| 09:52.15 | simonrvn | (if compressed of course) |
| 09:52.18 | chugga | im not so much worried about space because it would fit on a cd |
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| 09:53.38 | de | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 09:53.49 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 09:54.05 | zara | how to make ubuntu like debian ? |
| 09:54.10 | zara | what to install? |
| 09:54.11 | simonrvn | install debian |
| 09:54.25 | zara | what is the deferance? |
| 09:54.26 | teufel | I'm thinking about installing debian on my laptop... will it be hard to find drivers for everything? display, wifi card etc? |
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| 09:55.32 | beenleigh | teufel, yes.. almost impossible in fact :p |
| 09:55.42 | teufel | beenleigh: so not a good idea? =x |
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| 09:56.07 | beenleigh | i was just kidding.. should be easy, depending on whats in your laptop |
| 09:56.31 | teufel | !smack beenleigh |
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| 10:04.14 | petros | hello |
| 10:04.37 | petros | does anyone know which modules i have to compile into my kernel so that i can boot without an initrd? |
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| 10:05.34 | simonrvn | you should know that ... start with lspci, and lsmod, discover will help if you're really clueless |
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| 10:07.03 | petros | mhmm, i know that i have to compile in the ide chipset drivers and the filesystem.... |
| 10:07.12 | teufel | can someone help me with exim4? I can send out mail, but can't receive it... |
| 10:07.28 | petros | but i checked that intel is the right chipset driver but it still dont works... |
| 10:08.29 | simonrvn | petros: at the very least |
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| 10:11.41 | chugga | http://floppix.ccai.com/targzip.html |
| 10:11.49 | chugga | ^ are these instructions ok |
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| 10:17.36 | trixxter | hi |
| 10:17.50 | Boucman | hello all |
| 10:17.56 | trixxter | By using the command find it returns me that : find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/1/task: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
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| 10:18.13 | CaNCeR-X | hi |
| 10:18.14 | trixxter | and i have no idea what this could mean :( |
| 10:18.20 | Boucman | are there any known breakages/fixes due to the XFree86->Xorg transition ? |
| 10:18.27 | CaNCeR-X | where can i download debian ? |
| 10:18.41 | simonrvn | this is procfs. either find needs updating, or the kernel people need to make changes (probably the former) |
| 10:18.41 | omniscient | microsoft.com |
| 10:18.42 | CaNCeR-X | ftp.debian.org ? |
| 10:18.44 | valdyn | CaNCeR-X: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 10:18.45 | trixxter | Boucman you're talking about my problem ? |
| 10:18.53 | CaNCeR-X | thnx |
| 10:18.56 | Boucman | maybe |
| 10:18.57 | trixxter | ok simonrvn |
| 10:19.10 | CaNCeR-X | u r greet valdyn |
| 10:19.15 | CaNCeR-X | and omniscient u r an idiot.. |
| 10:19.18 | trixxter | it's a 2.6-8 kernel |
| 10:19.23 | omniscient | thanks, i try |
| 10:19.27 | Boucman | trixxter: nope, porbably not |
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| 10:21.41 | valdyn | Boucman: plenty things break atm if you try to 'dist-upgrade' to xorg |
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| 10:22.42 | Zin | hello all |
| 10:22.52 | valdyn | Boucman: but then again that isn't b/c its xorg but b/c the c++ abi switch is being done w/ xorg ( or at least an important part of the issues is ) |
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| 10:23.55 | Zin | I have a question to build a package .deb . I make the control file .. but when i do dpkg -i mypackage.deb , the dependencies are not downloaded |
| 10:24.02 | Zin | someone have an idea ? :( |
| 10:24.16 | Pego | hi anyone can help me about install grub with evms ? |
| 10:24.41 | valdyn | Zin: dpkg does not handle dependencies by downloading the packages. it never does. |
| 10:24.59 | Zin | so i must create a repository ? |
| 10:25.08 | valdyn | Zin: you need to either create your local apt-get repository or download deps by hand. |
| 10:25.20 | Zin | ok cool thx valdyn ;à |
| 10:25.23 | Zin | :) |
| 10:25.34 | Zin | Thx very much |
| 10:25.43 | Boucman | valdyn: thx |
| 10:26.01 | Boucman | so I'll just be patient and wait for things to get back in place |
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| 10:26.56 | valdyn | Boucman: if you dont need xorg, dont use it, if you do need it, then a partial upgrade ( still using the old packages where they would 'break' stuff ) works perfectly fine for me. |
| 10:27.28 | rajasun|nap | Boucman: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ & http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00001.html |
| 10:27.56 | ro0tz | I'm having a lot of packages not upgraded because of libaspell, what can I do about it? (running unstable) |
| 10:28.44 | valdyn | ro0tz: you shouldn't have to ask this in the first place if you use unstable. What you should do about beside just not doing anything depends on what you need / want to achieve. |
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| 10:29.22 | ro0tz | valdyn that is an utterly useless comment. |
| 10:29.23 | teufel | is there some different set of options I need to be changing to GET mail with exim? I can send it but can't seem to get any back when people reply |
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| 10:30.11 | metaperl | how do I get the wheel on my mouse to work? dpkg has nothing to say about this |
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| 10:30.40 | valdyn | teufel: need more info, like how your host is being addressed in replies, is your exim listening at all on your smtp port from remote, what do exim4 logfile(s) say. |
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| 10:31.52 | r_marvin | !mousewheel |
| 10:31.52 | dpkg | Info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 10:32.08 | valdyn | ro0tz: i dont think so, it told you to provide more info, that some packages are not being upgraded in sid is an everyday issue |
| 10:32.20 | teufel | valdyn: How would I check what ports exim is listening on? |
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| 10:34.15 | valdyn | teufel: 'netstat -plt' ( as root ) |
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| 10:35.19 | ruru | hi, I user chkroot and got it send a mail to me said that /etc/cron.daily/chkrootkit: |
| 10:35.22 | ruru | You have 21 process hidden for readdir command |
| 10:35.22 | ruru | You have 21 process hidden for ps command |
| 10:35.24 | ruru | Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 10:36.07 | ruru | but I run chkroot manually this LKM Trojan warnning doesn't appear every time |
| 10:36.29 | teufel | valdyn: just port 402 with exim4 |
| 10:36.46 | teufel | valdyn: also says listen 4 |
| 10:36.48 | ruru | sorry it is chkrootkit |
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| 10:37.01 | valdyn | teufel: paste that line |
| 10:37.53 | teufel | valdyn: heh how can I do that with putty? |
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| 10:38.13 | trogger | right click |
| 10:38.23 | CyzarX | hello all, when i boot digitek laptop using etch installer, the screen become yellow-greenish after it is loading. what could be the problem? i tried two discs which has etch inside and the outcome is the same. plz help :) |
| 10:38.28 | teufel | tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 4 402/exim4 |
| 10:38.41 | teufel | trogger: lol thanks! I've been trying to figure that out forever |
| 10:38.42 | tzafrir_laptop | I've googled a bit on the following, but still haven't found enough, and I'd appreciate comments: what will it take to install Sarge on a Dell PowerEdge 2800 with an internal raid (PREC4ei) > |
| 10:38.43 | teufel | tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 4 402/exim4 |
| 10:38.43 | teufel | valdyn: tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 4 402/exim4 |
| 10:38.50 | ircdevil | why does my usb disks not show up in /proc/partitions ? |
| 10:39.16 | tzafrir_laptop | teufel, this is port "smtp" (25, see /etc/services) and PID 402 |
| 10:39.28 | valdyn | teufel: the 402 is the pid, the 'smtp' stands for its port, the *.* means it listens on all interfaces. |
| 10:39.47 | teufel | ah |
| 10:40.12 | valdyn | teufel: now next step, how are your mates addressing your system ( what's after @ in your email addy ) |
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| 10:40.31 | valdyn | teufel: does that name resolve to your box at all? |
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| 10:40.40 | ircdevil | this is stupid - i cant mount my external usb disk because i dont know what device it is! |
| 10:40.55 | teufel | valdyn: yes, I have apache set up. Say I registered teufel.com |
| 10:41.05 | trogger | ircdevil: check out your /var/log/syslog to see if it mentions it. |
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| 10:41.29 | teufel | valdyn: I have apache working fine with it, as well as exim sending OUT mail, but when they try to reply to that mail, or to send to user@teufel.com it says undeliverable |
| 10:41.49 | valdyn | teufel: good, do you use a router / firewall ? |
| 10:41.49 | trogger | teufel: are your A records correct? |
| 10:42.07 | SeTog3 | hi , I don't why , but I can't run kde or gnome , it stop running during the services load, with wmaker or enlightenment all works fine, but I need gnome .. is it log that display the error ? |
| 10:42.29 | teufel | valdyn: Oh shit.... forgot to port trigger <sigh> thanks haha |
| 10:42.45 | ircdevil | trogger: well it does - but it doesnt say anything about what dev to mount |
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| 10:43.14 | SeTog3 | when I say stop running .. you must understand that I wait more that 5 minute seeing the gnome or the kde splash screen .. |
| 10:43.22 | valdyn | ircdevil: run 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' and plug your usb thing in and out. |
| 10:43.23 | teufel | valdyn: sorry I'm an idiot.. I forgot all about having to do that |
| 10:43.43 | trogger | SeTog3: do you have localhost mentioned in your /etc/hosts file?? |
| 10:44.11 | internat | ircdevil: umm |
| 10:44.21 | internat | my external drives show up as /dev/sdaX |
| 10:44.25 | internat | where x is a position |
| 10:44.32 | Zin | so mount |
| 10:44.37 | SeTog3 | hmm .. no , and I haven't any lo interface .. I think it's the reson .. |
| 10:44.42 | valdyn | SeTog3: try removing ~/.gnome* and ~/.gtk* ( or just move it out of the way for now ) |
| 10:44.44 | ircdevil | valdyn: ok |
| 10:44.46 | ircdevil | gotit |
| 10:44.56 | internat | im pretty sure it's a sda device |
| 10:45.03 | trogger | SeTog3: yes, I ran into this - weird random problems. |
| 10:45.07 | Zin | yes internat sure |
| 10:45.26 | internat | ? |
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| 10:45.36 | SeTog3 | somebody can past to me his /etc/network/interfaces the section about lo ? |
| 10:45.43 | simonrvn | x is a partition, not a position |
| 10:45.55 | ircdevil | but it would be nice it the usb stuff showed up in proc/partitions |
| 10:46.11 | internat | yeah a lota things would be nice |
| 10:46.22 | trogger | SeTog3: auto lo and then iface lo inet loopback |
| 10:46.51 | SeTog3 | ah , :D I have this iface lo inet static |
| 10:46.52 | SeTog3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.58 | SeTog3 | i correct :D |
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| 10:47.56 | SeTog3 | I try gnome :D |
| 10:47.59 | trogger | SeTog3: the `auto lo' line will make sure that it comes up automatically |
| 10:48.07 | trogger | SeTog3: and make sure you do ifconfig lo up |
| 10:48.12 | internat | so did it work ircdevil? |
| 10:48.14 | trogger | SeTog3: rather than rebooting. |
| 10:48.20 | SeTog3 | I do ifup lo |
| 10:48.21 | valdyn | ircdevil: it should show in /proc/partitions too, if you have partitions there.. |
| 10:48.29 | trogger | SeTog3: good |
| 10:48.37 | SeTog3 | no gnome don't start .. |
| 10:48.40 | ircdevil | internat: it did |
| 10:48.44 | internat | kewl |
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| 10:48.54 | ircdevil | valdyn: hmmmm |
| 10:49.01 | ruru | hi, I've installed chkrootkit in my debian box. it said /etc/cron.daily/chkrootkit: |
| 10:49.03 | ruru | You have 21 process hidden for readdir command |
| 10:49.05 | ruru | You have 21 process hidden for ps command |
| 10:49.06 | ruru | Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 10:49.11 | ruru | how should I do in advance? |
| 10:49.20 | valdyn | !usb_storage |
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| 10:49.23 | sepski | ircd |
| 10:49.24 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 10:49.29 | trogger | SeTog3: hmmm. not good. |
| 10:49.30 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 10:49.30 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 10:49.41 | EmleyMoor | I am trying to get ppp to work over GPRS - using a Nokia 6670 on O2 - but I get LCP terminated by peer when I connect. |
| 10:50.00 | xidaux | Anyone know of a window manager with high levels of ambiguity and novelty ? |
| 10:50.13 | trogger | xidaux: waimea. |
| 10:50.13 | EmleyMoor | Can anyone advise why that might be? I am googling for it but it's all proving fruitless |
| 10:50.15 | SeTog3 | trogger, I do init 1 , and init 3 to be sure ... |
| 10:50.16 | valdyn | xidaux: ambiguity? |
| 10:50.18 | SeTog3 | see you later :D |
| 10:50.30 | xidaux | valdyn: yep |
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| 10:50.43 | sepski | ruru, take backups of critical date, reinstall and restore, if you have a rootkit, god knows what other things might have been done to your system. i woudnt trust it even after chkrootkit said it was clean |
| 10:50.55 | xidaux | trogger: Easy to hack keybindings into ? |
| 10:51.00 | xidaux | trogger: Scriptable ? |
| 10:51.03 | valdyn | !dict ambiguity |
| 10:51.04 | trogger | xidaux: super super easy :) |
| 10:51.05 | dpkg | Dictionary 'ambiguity' (1 of 2): No shadow of ambiguity can rest upon the course to be pursued. --I. Taylor.. |
| 10:51.17 | xidaux | trogger: Cool thanks |
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| 10:51.30 | ruru | sepski: maybe it's a wrong warning? |
| 10:51.41 | xidaux | trogger: Waimea with ratpoison/Gnu Screen style keybindings would be interesting indeed |
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| 10:51.56 | mike-m | does a package exists to show a background image in bufferframe ? |
| 10:52.05 | ruru | I ran chkrootkit manually then sometimes have hidden proc and sometimes not |
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| 10:52.21 | metaperl | r_marvin: thanks. I had tried wheel and mouse :) |
| 10:52.24 | trogger | xidaux: make sure you get version 0.4 though, it's real thin and 0.5 went real thick |
| 10:52.42 | xidaux | trogger: 0.4.0nb9 |
| 10:52.49 | trogger | xidaux: that's the one |
| 10:52.56 | ruru | I have to be more carefully. |
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| 10:53.11 | setog3 | kde and gnome works fine now |
| 10:53.16 | setog3 | thx for help |
| 10:53.16 | trogger | setog3: excellent :) |
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| 10:54.15 | sepski | ruru, i'v never used chrootkit so i cant vouch for it's reliability |
| 10:54.50 | ruru | do you have good advice for me? |
| 10:55.05 | ruru | my system is sarge and up to date |
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| 10:55.20 | doojin | hi |
| 10:55.23 | internat | wtf is bindshell? |
| 10:55.27 | doojin | how can I restore grub of debian? |
| 10:55.32 | doojin | I have a netinstall cd |
| 10:55.37 | internat | Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 465) |
| 10:55.38 | doojin | but I don't know how to restore |
| 10:55.39 | ruru | sepski: sshd is limit to use for one user. |
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| 10:55.48 | internat | 465 is my ssmtp server |
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| 10:56.13 | doojin | ruru : do you know how to restore grub with a netinstall cd? |
| 10:57.36 | sepski | doojin, run the installer untill you can ctrl+f2 to another console. mount your / on a mountpoint, chroot to that mountpoint. perhaps mount proc on /proc inside the mountpoint and run grub-install /device |
| 10:57.44 | ruru | doojin: yes. very simple. boot from netinstall cd, when system up, press alt + F2 to get a shell, mount your / , chroot to it, mount -a, grub-install /dev/hda |
| 10:57.59 | mike-m | :) |
| 10:58.19 | doojin | what? |
| 10:58.44 | doojin | ruru : say that again |
| 10:59.48 | doojin | how to mount root? |
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| 11:01.17 | ruru | doojin: boot from netcd, when install is begin, press alt + F2, and press enter, you will get a rootshell, assum your root partition is /dev/hda1, you should mount /dev/hda1 to some else like /mnt, then chroot /mnt , mount -a, grub-install /dev/hda will solve all. |
| 11:02.13 | doojin | what is mount -a? |
| 11:02.42 | EmleyMoor | Mount all filesystems - if not already mounted... damn! |
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| 11:02.50 | Pego | hi, how can i make a tar that stay on the same partitiona nd not take the /home of the other partition for exemple please ? |
| 11:03.24 | chugga | er. pego, i wanna know that too |
| 11:03.32 | chugga | backup my home directory so i can install debian |
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| 11:04.44 | EmleyMoor | Pego/chugga: Use the l (lower case L) option to limit to one file system |
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| 11:04.57 | Pego | EmleyMoor: thx ! |
| 11:05.14 | Outlaw84 | what are you suppose to write in XF(&Config-4 for it to realise that you have a wheel on the mouse? |
| 11:06.07 | Outlaw84 | *XF86Config-4 |
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| 11:06.16 | drac | Outlaw84: IIRC, Option ZAxisMapping "4 5" below driver "mouse" |
| 11:06.20 | Pego | EmleyMoor: seams not work it take my /boot |
| 11:06.44 | EmleyMoor | Pego: /boot must be on the same filesystem, then |
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| 11:07.10 | doojin | ruru : It didn't work |
| 11:07.17 | doojin | I pressed alt+f2 but nothing happens |
| 11:07.18 | Pego | EmleyMoor: it's on a different partition |
| 11:07.27 | green_earz | Outlaw84: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and pick it up from there |
| 11:07.38 | EmleyMoor | What, exactly, did you type? |
| 11:07.56 | bwlang | having a bit of trouble with start-stop-daemon.... I've written a simple shell script that i want to run from init.d start-stop-daemon starts it fine, makes the pid for me etc. But it can't stop it because it's looking for /usr/local/sbin/service not /bin/sh /usr/local/sbin/service... What should i do about this? |
| 11:07.57 | doojin | and I pressed ctrl+f2, too |
| 11:08.05 | ruru | doojin: you haven't enter system.. |
| 11:08.09 | doojin | what? |
| 11:08.17 | doojin | I saw a boot screen |
| 11:08.22 | Pego | EmleyMoor tar -cvzfl /home/..../rootbak.tar.gz / |
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| 11:08.31 | chugga | er... |
| 11:08.34 | EmleyMoor | Put the l before the f |
| 11:08.36 | doojin | pressing alt+f2, and nothing happens |
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| 11:08.39 | ABRAXAS77 | hello |
| 11:08.40 | chugga | im confused :( |
| 11:08.41 | Pego | EmleyMoor: ho |
| 11:08.50 | chugga | i just wanna back up my home directory to a tarfile |
| 11:08.55 | ruru | and then press enter... then the system will really boot... |
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| 11:09.02 | ABRAXAS77 | somebody can tell me please,how to quit the start X on the boot? |
| 11:09.04 | Pego | EmleyMoor: thanks a lot seems good |
| 11:09.09 | bwlang | i guess in a related question... how can a start a shell program that does not have /bin/sh preprended to it's name when running? |
| 11:09.24 | drac | ABRAXAS77: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 11:09.31 | EmleyMoor | chugga: What's your problem with it? |
| 11:10.04 | chugga | EmleyMoor, how to do it? |
| 11:10.10 | ABRAXAS77 | thnx drac |
| 11:10.17 | EmleyMoor | chugga: man tar |
| 11:10.51 | green_earz | bwlang: you may find what you want at the link > http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit |
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| 11:11.04 | chugga | nevermind. i'll just delete quake |
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| 11:13.00 | green_earz | ABRAXAS77: you could remove the login maniger kdm or gdm or xdm. then you will be dropped on to the command line at boot |
| 11:13.44 | CAiRO | how can i make the beep media player work with gkrellm (gkrellmms)? right now it seems it works only partially, eg i can press play and pause but i don't see the progress or song title |
| 11:14.33 | cat | CAiRO: try configuring the gkrellmms |
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| 11:15.23 | CAiRO | cat: like what? if i knew how to do it i wouldn't have asked |
| 11:15.56 | EmleyMoor | Is there anywhere particularly good I could go for help with a gprs problem? |
| 11:16.17 | CAiRO | cat: it ignores half of the options, eg i set 'show remaining time' but it shows elapsed time |
| 11:16.20 | CAiRO | and stuff like that |
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| 11:19.30 | doojin | hi |
| 11:19.34 | doojin | I'm on linux |
| 11:19.38 | uk-male | wow |
| 11:19.40 | doojin | but I see a message |
| 11:19.49 | doojin | stage1 blah blah error |
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| 11:20.01 | shark_ | suicide yourself |
| 11:20.06 | errrr | good idea |
| 11:20.15 | doojin | how can I pause bitchx for a while? |
| 11:20.20 | errrr | continue, retry, cancel, suicide |
| 11:20.42 | doojin | I want to return to shell without quitting bitchx |
| 11:20.42 | drac | doojin: Just change TTY, with ALT-Fx ? |
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| 11:20.47 | chugga | ok finally off to install debian.. hehe. lets hope this works! |
| 11:20.54 | mark__ | hi everyone |
| 11:20.59 | doojin | ruru : help me again |
| 11:21.09 | green_earz | doojin: have you got dedian up and runing ? |
| 11:21.19 | Phated | doojin: c-z, then fg to get back to bitchx. |
| 11:21.27 | doojin | I'm on netinstall boot |
| 11:21.35 | Phated | Ehm. |
| 11:21.37 | green_earz | nice one |
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| 11:21.55 | doojin | Phated : do I get disconnected from the server when I press c-z? |
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| 11:22.16 | Phated | doojin: No. |
| 11:22.19 | doojin | oh |
| 11:22.21 | doojin | It works |
| 11:22.26 | Phated | Gee. |
| 11:22.30 | simonrvn | duh |
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| 11:23.10 | splattnik | does anyone know a tc-script that handles shaping per port? |
| 11:23.29 | doojin | ruru : I see an error, "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read corretly" |
| 11:23.34 | mark__ | does anyone know if PAM supports group authenication as well as password authenication? |
| 11:23.47 | ABRAXAS77 | now...how is the command "xorgconfig" in debian unstable?,I mean to configure the xorg |
| 11:23.58 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good channel for help with GPRS in pppd or should I ask here? |
| 11:24.05 | simonrvn | mark__: yes. set a passwd for the group |
| 11:24.18 | simonrvn | mark__: most people don't use this however |
| 11:24.20 | green_earz | doojin: bookmard the link it will be of help in the future > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 11:24.34 | doojin | god |
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| 11:25.12 | doojin | ruru : you're going to help me |
| 11:25.15 | ABRAXAS77 | now...how is the command "xorgconfig" in debian unstable?,I mean to configure the xorg |
| 11:25.21 | liable | ABRAXAS77: erm, where did you get that from? |
| 11:25.27 | liable | !repeat |
| 11:25.27 | dpkg | hmm... repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 11:25.28 | simonrvn | doojin: don't demand help, it's insulting |
| 11:25.30 | valdyn | ABRAXAS77: just dont use it, even if it is. |
| 11:25.32 | mark__ | simonrvn///: so what would you recommend. I have several computers and need to keep the groups and passwords synced |
| 11:25.45 | simonrvn | mark__: so use ldap or something |
| 11:25.45 | ABRAXAS77 | valdyn, apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 11:26.02 | valdyn | ABRAXAS77: dont use 'xorgconfig' |
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| 11:26.19 | ABRAXAS77 | valdyn, so how can i configure it? |
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| 11:26.35 | valdyn | ABRAXAS77: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:26.37 | mark__ | simonrvn: so use the ldap pam module? and that will support groups and passwds |
| 11:26.41 | green_earz | splattnik: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/ADSL-Bandwidth-Management-HOWTO/implementation.html#AEN166 > http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/htb/manual/userg.htm |
| 11:26.45 | doojin | Who knows how to fix the error, "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read corretly" when I type "grub-install /dev/hda"? |
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| 11:27.03 | simonrvn | mark__: uh, set up ldap first... but yeh |
| 11:27.11 | ABRAXAS77 | thnx valdyn |
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| 11:27.13 | wintix | which processor family is used for pentium M ? |
| 11:27.18 | doojin | I'm now on netinstall linux |
| 11:27.32 | liable | wintix: 686 |
| 11:27.39 | mark__ | simonrvn: thanks I'll try it now |
| 11:27.41 | simonrvn | doojin: maybe it isn't there? |
| 11:27.46 | doojin | It is there |
| 11:27.53 | wintix | liable: thx. |
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| 11:28.32 | doojin | simonrvn : do you know anything about it? |
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| 11:29.14 | liable | doojin: how about, you explain how this happened? |
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| 11:30.15 | doojin | huh? |
| 11:30.21 | doojin | I |
| 11:30.26 | doojin | I booted with a netinstall cd |
| 11:30.29 | doojin | and I press enter |
| 11:30.44 | doojin | and then alt+f2 |
| 11:30.51 | doojin | I saw a console screen |
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| 11:31.05 | doojin | I mounted linux partition |
| 11:31.23 | doojin | and I typed "grub-install /dev/hda" |
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| 11:31.31 | hruske | doojin, you might need --root-directory parameter. |
| 11:31.42 | doojin | I type chroot /mnt |
| 11:31.44 | doojin | *typed |
| 11:31.46 | nlindblad | doojin: type 'grub' instead |
| 11:31.51 | doojin | and? |
| 11:31.58 | nlindblad | doojin: then root (hd0,0) |
| 11:32.02 | liable | doojin: how did you get into this predicament to start with? |
| 11:32.07 | suppaman | hi |
| 11:32.08 | nlindblad | doojin: setup (hd0,0) |
| 11:32.17 | ABRAXAS77 | valdyn, now X works good,but when exit from the X, the screen became with lines whites and reds...i cant see anytthing,even if I choose other terminals,do u understand? |
| 11:32.20 | nlindblad | hi suppaman |
| 11:32.21 | doojin | predicament? I don't know that word |
| 11:32.27 | doojin | what is hd0,0? |
| 11:32.39 | doojin | I have several partitions |
| 11:32.40 | liable | !dict predicament |
| 11:32.42 | dpkg | Dictionary 'predicament' (2): Predicament \Pre*dic"a*ment\, n. [Cf. F. pr['e]dicament, L. praedicamentum. See Predicate.] 1. A class or kind described by any definite marks; hence, condition; particular situation or state; especially, an unfortunate or trying position or condition. ``O woeful sympathy; piteous predicament!'' --Shak. ;; 2. (Logic) See Category.. |
| 11:32.42 | nlindblad | doojin: the primary partitionspace on the primary harddrive |
| 11:32.56 | nlindblad | doojin: the MBR, where grub will be stored |
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| 11:33.29 | doojin | ok |
| 11:33.30 | valdyn | ABRAXAS77: yea, that happens with some combinations of framebuffer / X driver |
| 11:33.36 | doojin | I'll be back soon |
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| 11:33.54 | errrr | i am writing a bash script, and i want to do something like sed 's/DIR/$DIR/' i thin i need to quote $DIR properly to stop it being expanded by he shell, not sure how tho |
| 11:34.05 | valdyn | ABRAXAS77: like on thinkpads with radeonfb, i dont know what you could do about it except just not quitting X |
| 11:34.12 | doojin | I typed "setup (hd0,0)" after I typed "grub", but It didn't work |
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| 11:34.36 | liable | doojin: what led you to having to do this? |
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| 11:34.52 | hruske | doojin, why are you trying to reinstall grub? |
| 11:34.58 | doojin | liable : I ruined grub |
| 11:35.03 | doojin | unintentionally |
| 11:35.14 | hruske | how come? |
| 11:35.14 | liable | doojin: how? |
| 11:35.20 | doojin | I don't know |
| 11:35.23 | doojin | maybe I didn't |
| 11:35.33 | doojin | oneday grub just showed an error message |
| 11:35.59 | doojin | so I replaced grub with winxp booter |
| 11:36.05 | liable | doojin: dude, what did you do, grub doesnt just kill itself.. |
| 11:36.22 | doojin | I don't know oneday grub got mad |
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| 11:36.39 | deadcat | doojin: bullshit. you clearly fucked it up |
| 11:36.47 | doojin | why do I lie? |
| 11:36.58 | liable | dunno? why? |
| 11:37.08 | deadcat | doojin: because you're a bitch? |
| 11:37.10 | doojin | there's no reason I have to lie |
| 11:37.25 | doojin | oneday just grub got weird with unknown reason |
| 11:37.27 | liable | doojin: take a deep breath, think back. what did you do. |
| 11:37.39 | doojin | I turned off my computer that's the last thing I did |
| 11:37.44 | deadcat | grub DONT oneday died |
| 11:38.12 | deadcat | doojin: i bet its your fault |
| 11:38.12 | doojin | just let me know how to fix grub |
| 11:38.16 | initech | doojin: what was the message? |
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| 11:38.30 | doojin | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read corretly |
| 11:38.32 | hruske | doojin, there's probably more broken than just grub |
| 11:38.33 | liable | doojin: ok, so, can you chroot into your system? |
| 11:38.46 | doojin | I typed "chroot /mnt" |
| 11:38.47 | initech | doojin: could be something with your drive |
| 11:39.09 | doojin | mount -t ext /dev/hda6 /mnt |
| 11:39.10 | liable | doojin: why do you think tat would work? |
| 11:39.14 | doojin | chroot /mnt |
| 11:39.15 | doojin | mount -a |
| 11:39.16 | hruske | have you run fsck on your disk? |
| 11:39.19 | valdyn | errrr: DIR="'$DIR'" for example |
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| 11:39.27 | doojin | I didn't run fsck |
| 11:39.36 | doojin | ok |
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| 11:39.41 | ABRAXAS77 | valdyn, okz... |
| 11:39.42 | doojin | I'll be back |
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| 11:40.11 | liable | poor bastard is confused now.. |
| 11:40.16 | deadcat | hahaha. |
| 11:40.41 | suppaman | I can't understand how resolvconf works |
| 11:40.55 | suppaman | I mean I can't understand where to put my dns line.. |
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| 11:41.07 | deadcat | suppaman: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:42.42 | chugga | Whoa. my first encounter with the imfamous debian installer hasnt been the best of fun :P |
| 11:42.53 | liable | chugga: why? |
| 11:43.11 | chugga | liable, it froze on me at least twice |
| 11:43.30 | chugga | once on pc card stuff trying to detect my cdrom even though i was running the damn thing off a cdrom drive already |
| 11:43.38 | liable | chugga: wierd hardware? |
| 11:43.41 | chugga | and the second time when asking me to fill in a hostname |
| 11:43.48 | chugga | nah, never had problems with it before |
| 11:44.22 | chugga | but the really scary part was the partition process.. i could swear it might have been trying to format my partitions |
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| 11:45.24 | liable | chugga: erm, isnt that what its supposed to do? |
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| 11:45.32 | chugga | liable, no |
| 11:45.36 | doojin | hi |
| 11:45.38 | doojin | oops |
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| 11:45.50 | doojin | why doesn't it work? |
| 11:46.00 | chugga | liable, i hadnt told it to partition anything. it shouldnt have been reading/touching my disk at all |
| 11:46.06 | Gil_ | My computer sees a lot more 'sluggish' after upgrading to 2.6.11 from 2.6.9 |
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| 11:46.20 | doojin | whenever I type grub-install /dev/hda, I see an error |
| 11:46.21 | tarzeau | debian sucks |
| 11:46.33 | liable | !irritate tarzeau |
| 11:46.34 | dpkg | tarzeau: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 ????? |
| 11:46.49 | Gil_ | has anybody experienced something similar? |
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| 11:47.00 | CasaNova_ | I'm trying to backup a dvd movie, I've done it successfully on same machine/hardware etc. Now the movie I rip rips the first track but only the frist chapter (of 28) anyone know options I could try or how to work around? |
| 11:47.03 | liable | doojin: can you chroot into it or not? |
| 11:47.09 | blue_sky | OT I know but don't know where to go, 14 digit number, is that trillion? thousand billion? |
| 11:47.11 | doojin | I typed "chroot /mnt" |
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| 11:47.26 | liable | doojin: no, that wont work... |
| 11:47.26 | doojin | after I mounted linux partition on /mnt |
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| 11:47.34 | doojin | liable : what will work? |
| 11:47.36 | Gil_ | hundred trillion I think |
| 11:47.42 | tarzeau | blue_sky: why not just call it 14 digit number? |
| 11:47.55 | blue_sky | Gil_: thanks. |
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| 11:47.59 | WindowsUninstall | Hi * |
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| 11:48.03 | blue_sky | tarzeau: 'cos I wanna know! |
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| 11:48.23 | liable | doojin: ok, how are you trying to do it? Boot a rescue disk? |
| 11:48.27 | Gil_ | sorry, ten trillion |
| 11:48.29 | tarzeau | blue_sky: cause it's not always the same |
| 11:48.33 | doojin | liable : If I can do |
| 11:48.49 | WindowsUninstall | The debian version of Gorm is **very old** |
| 11:48.51 | doojin | there's no rescue option in netinstall cd |
| 11:48.59 | blue_sky | tarzeau: yeah, I know US/UK differ |
| 11:49.01 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: ack, that's why debian sucks |
| 11:49.11 | tarzeau | blue_sky: but you didn't ask where it is whatever you want it to be |
| 11:49.30 | blue_sky | tarzeau: could you answer if I told you? |
| 11:49.35 | Phated | tarzeau: that's what whois is for, innit. |
| 11:49.39 | liable | doojin: what did you do before you tried chroot? |
| 11:49.50 | doojin | mount /dev/hda6 /mnt |
| 11:49.50 | tarzeau | blue_sky: no, i'd still tell you to call it 14 digit number |
| 11:49.55 | doojin | like that |
| 11:49.59 | blue_sky | tarzeau: lol, ok, thanks |
| 11:50.13 | tarzeau | Phated: you can't go for whois really |
| 11:50.20 | liable | doojin: but from what? the install cd? a rescue cd? what? |
| 11:50.31 | ABRAXAS77 | somebody can help me plz? |
| 11:50.33 | sanxiyn | debootstrap fails with aptitude: Depends: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 but it is not installable on Sid currently. |
| 11:50.35 | Phated | Mmph. Not work discussing, really. |
| 11:50.42 | doojin | I |
| 11:50.43 | sanxiyn | Beautiful. |
| 11:50.48 | doojin | I booted into installation |
| 11:50.56 | doojin | and I pressed alt+f2 to activate a new console |
| 11:51.03 | doojin | and |
| 11:51.06 | doojin | I'm now on the console |
| 11:51.12 | WindowsUninstall | I need an new version of gnustep!! :/ |
| 11:51.15 | Phated | And you learnt to stop hitting ENTER SO MANY FUCKING TIMES. |
| 11:51.26 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 11:51.31 | liable | @annoy Phated |
| 11:51.31 | ravenbird | Phated: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 11:51.34 | liable | :P |
| 11:51.35 | deadcat | some people just dont learn |
| 11:51.39 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 11:52.01 | doojin | huh |
| 11:52.11 | sanxiyn | WindowsUninstall: Help tarzeau? |
| 11:52.11 | liable | doojin: hold my hand. |
| 11:52.14 | chugga | debian is too hard to install otherwise i'd be running it right now |
| 11:52.20 | liable | doojin: we'll get there :P |
| 11:52.21 | sanxiyn | chugga: Haha. |
| 11:52.25 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: NO. i have packages. but debian can't get them |
| 11:52.28 | Phated | chugga: *snicker* |
| 11:52.31 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Oh. |
| 11:52.31 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: debian sucks. and i will go having fun now |
| 11:52.35 | deadcat | chugga: stop bitching |
| 11:52.36 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Okay. |
| 11:52.49 | liable | doojin: mkdir /mnt/rescue |
| 11:52.56 | chugga | deadcat, er, ok. how about constructive criticism? |
| 11:53.05 | deadcat | chugga: shutup bitch |
| 11:53.11 | liable | doojin: is it hda? partition ? |
| 11:53.23 | doojin | what? |
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| 11:53.31 | doojin | ./dev/hda6 |
| 11:53.41 | liable | doojin: thats root? |
| 11:53.45 | doojin | ./proc/partitions is not there |
| 11:53.48 | doojin | yes |
| 11:53.58 | doojin | mount /dev/hda6 /mnt & chroot /mnt |
| 11:54.08 | liable | doojin: shut up. |
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| 11:54.58 | Phated | deadcat: What's up? |
| 11:54.59 | liable | doojin: mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 /mnt/rescue |
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| 11:55.07 | chugga | so how am i supposed to install debian onto a partition of my choice and not use its stupid partion tool? Is there a way? |
| 11:55.10 | doojin | liable : actually I typed that |
| 11:55.21 | doojin | long letters |
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| 11:55.37 | Phated | chugga: Use the expert install. It won't kill you. |
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| 11:55.52 | doojin | since I already typed "chroot /mnt" the permission is denied |
| 11:55.54 | chugga | Phated, whats that? is that where i can see each step of the inst. process? |
| 11:55.59 | sanxiyn | chugga: Is there any problem doing that? |
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| 11:56.05 | liable | doojin: well, you should be able to chroot /mnt/rescue |
| 11:56.07 | doojin | mkdir /mnt/rescue is denied |
| 11:56.10 | Phated | chugga: Hahahahaha. You haven't even -tried-, have you. |
| 11:56.12 | chugga | sanxiyn, what do ou mean? |
| 11:56.19 | doojin | I have to reboot? |
| 11:56.25 | liable | doojin: no |
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| 11:56.37 | liable | doojin: are you root? |
| 11:56.43 | sanxiyn | chugga: I don't remember problem installing to prepartitioned partition with d-i. |
| 11:56.45 | chugga | er. im running off net install .. it didnt prompt me to choose an expert install |
| 11:57.35 | Pego | hi i have installed grub and when i reboot i have GRUB GRUB GRUB spaming the screen:( |
| 11:57.39 | Phated | chugga: You'll note it said "Hit enter to boot, or press Fx for a list of boot options." Never considred? |
| 11:57.43 | doojin | hmm |
| 11:57.48 | chugga | the installer didnt ask me where to install, the next step after partitioning was copying .. |
| 11:57.49 | doojin | liable : I can't mount |
| 11:58.04 | liable | doojin: and the error is? |
| 11:58.07 | chugga | phated, oh yes i saw that. i passed it some options so it wouldnt freeze |
| 11:58.11 | Phated | chugga: You should have set the mount point for the partition, shouldn't you? |
| 11:58.12 | doojin | well |
| 11:58.18 | omry | how do I increase the value of a numeric variable in a bash script? |
| 11:58.27 | Phated | Like setting it to root would have made it YOUR PARTITION OF CHOICE TO INSTALL ON. |
| 11:58.29 | sanxiyn | Phated: Yes. |
| 11:58.30 | chugga | Phated, no i really shouldnt. that sounds ugly and stupid .. |
| 11:58.36 | Phated | HAHAHAHAH. |
| 11:58.39 | sanxiyn | HAHAHAHA |
| 11:58.48 | Phated | Oh, blessed death. |
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| 11:58.55 | chugga | er.. |
| 11:59.05 | Phated | chugga: Which means you implicitly told it to install wherever it liked, didn't you. |
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| 11:59.26 | chugga | Phated, damn it .. so wherre did it install? i hope it didnt bugger up my data :| |
| 11:59.30 | doojin | god |
| 11:59.34 | doojin | wrong device number |
| 11:59.50 | doojin | It's now /dev/hda7 |
| 11:59.53 | doojin | and It's superblocked |
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| 12:00.03 | sanxiyn | chugga: According to the installation manual which nobody reads, you are supposed to have backup of your data anyway. |
| 12:00.06 | daft | debian/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] <=- I never seen this with dkpg-make |
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| 12:00.09 | doojin | because I already mounted /dev/hda6 on / |
| 12:00.17 | chugga | i gotta say, worst-installer-ever. its even worser than the openbsd installer |
| 12:00.17 | Phated | chugga: I really have no sympathy for you, considering you didn't look carefully at the screen. The partition tool, even in the non-expert install, has an entry for what mount point you want to use for any given partition. |
| 12:00.23 | liable | doojin: well umount it... |
| 12:00.24 | Phated | Hahahaha. |
| 12:00.30 | doojin | umount |
| 12:00.34 | valdyn | omry: "echo $((1+1))" |
| 12:00.37 | doojin | I need to get out bitchx |
| 12:00.40 | liable | doojin: what the fuck are you doing? |
| 12:00.53 | doojin | umount and unable to use bitchx? |
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| 12:01.26 | Phated | chugga: Plenty of people have installed with d-i. What makes you particularly special? |
| 12:01.48 | chugga | dude, im sure i could get it to work if i had a clean h/d with nothing to lose |
| 12:01.56 | chugga | but i dont. and that installer plain sucks |
| 12:02.02 | doojin | huh |
| 12:02.03 | sanxiyn | chugga: No, you suck. |
| 12:02.05 | doojin | I umounted |
| 12:02.15 | Rydekull | I gotta agree with sanxiyn on this one |
| 12:02.19 | Phated | I've used it on a non-clean HDD. I got it to work. dual-boot, too. |
| 12:02.22 | initech | chugga: you're supposed to read the screens |
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| 12:02.38 | AYS- | Hi all |
| 12:02.45 | Rydekull | hopefully be smarter then a peanut to understand them aswell |
| 12:02.52 | chugga | initech, i did read the bloody screens. i went from choosing a hostname to partitioning my drive - without even bloody asking me if i DIDNT want to partition my bloody drives.. |
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| 12:03.16 | valdyn | chugga: you DO get asked if you want to partition. |
| 12:03.20 | doojin | liable : sorry superblock on /dev/hda7 |
| 12:03.23 | doojin | do I need to reboot? |
| 12:03.26 | omry | valdyn, thanks, using this now (unless there is something shorter) : COUNT=$(($COUNT+1)) |
| 12:03.31 | ashridah | anyone know how i can force module-assistant to use CC=gcc-3.3 when building? the damnable thing is ignoring it as an environment variable |
| 12:03.34 | chugga | valdyn, not really. |
| 12:03.42 | Phated | valdyn: I'm not sure if it does that in the non-expert install. |
| 12:03.46 | chugga | i had to use the tab button to choose "go back" |
| 12:04.00 | liable | doojin: eh, where did you get that from? |
| 12:04.19 | valdyn | Phated: im sure it doesn't do automatic partitioning in non-expert mode, but asks if it should do automatic partitioning. |
| 12:04.26 | Rydekull | yes |
| 12:04.33 | chugga | yeah. it asked me if it wanted to erase my drive |
| 12:04.35 | chugga | and i said no, |
| 12:04.35 | liable | doojin: can you paste fdisk -l to flood? |
| 12:04.38 | Phated | valdyn: Ah, I see. Thanks. I've only ever used it in expert mode. |
| 12:04.51 | doojin | liable : how? |
| 12:05.11 | Phated | chugga: To be quite clear on it, once and for all, you need to define a partition to be mounted as root, as THAT WILL TELL THE INSTALLER WHERE TO INSTALL TO. |
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| 12:05.31 | liable | doojin: join flood , then /exec -o fdisk -l |
| 12:05.36 | Phated | If you think that's ugly and stupid... I pity you. Sorry. |
| 12:05.40 | bluefox83 | does debian keep track of the date when it was first installed? |
| 12:05.49 | liable | bluefox83: no |
| 12:05.53 | bluefox83 | dang |
| 12:06.01 | chugga | phated.. what? no way, i dont believe you. if i set my partition to root then how will it know where to find the installer files? the cdrom is mounted root |
| 12:06.09 | chugga | that isnt even true, but u know what i mean |
| 12:06.14 | valdyn | bluefox83: depending on which debian you used. look into /root and 'ls -l' |
| 12:06.16 | bluefox83 | i want to show my windows user friends that i haven't had to format my hd in over 2 years :P |
| 12:06.18 | liable | bluefox83: look at your oldest syslog.. |
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| 12:06.30 | initech | bluefox83: uh, yes, look in /var/log/debian-installer |
| 12:06.49 | Phated | chugga: Uhm... no? You're an idiot. The cdrom is mounted on /cdrom or whatever. The partition isn't "set to root", it's "defined as the root partition for Linux". |
| 12:06.50 | Rydekull | chugga: you dont have to believe him, that's how it is |
| 12:07.19 | Phated | I fail to see how his beliefs enter into this, as he's clearly mistaken about some things anyway. |
| 12:07.21 | chugga | phated, thats your mistake. you didnt say "defined as root partition" |
| 12:07.30 | Phated | chugga: Hahahaha. |
| 12:07.35 | chugga | Phated chugga: To be quite clear on it, once and for all, you need to define a partition to be mounted as root, as THAT WILL TELL THE INSTALLER WHERE TO INSTALL TO. |
| 12:07.37 | chugga | read.. |
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| 12:07.57 | chugga | but ok, im happier now :) |
| 12:07.57 | bluefox83 | i think i deleted /var/log/debian-installer a long time ago.. |
| 12:07.58 | Phated | "to be mounted as root". I rest my case and wash your stupidity off my hands. |
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| 12:08.24 | initech | bluefox83: well, that was your record of the install. wtf did you delete it for? |
| 12:08.30 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 12:08.35 | valdyn | bluefox83: ls -l /root/install-report.template |
| 12:08.37 | elephantman | My swap file and memory are full - How can i free space ? |
| 12:08.41 | elephantman | At runtime ? |
| 12:09.00 | sanxiyn | elephantman: kill 'em all |
| 12:09.03 | bluefox83 | wow, cool!2 |
| 12:09.07 | bluefox83 | *cool! |
| 12:09.35 | valdyn | bluefox83: shows the same timestamp for me as /var/log/debian-installer/* so i guess its what you need. |
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| 12:09.57 | elephantman | sanxiyn: kill processes ? |
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| 12:10.06 | chugga | so where do i set the root partition? in the partitioning bit? |
| 12:10.23 | sanxiyn | chugga: Yes. |
| 12:10.41 | Phated | chugga: "Mount partition as" seems self-explanatory in the partitioning screen where you see all your partitions. |
| 12:10.47 | chugga | ok |
| 12:11.09 | chugga | mount partition as isnt at all self explanatory |
| 12:11.16 | Pego | hi i try installing grub on hdc and i boot from a floppy. and he only see hd0 so i root (hd0,0) all say good and setup (hd0) all is success but when i reboot i have GRUB GRUB GRUB spamming the screen |
| 12:11.20 | chugga | it should be the other way around, |
| 12:11.36 | chugga | mount root using this partition is better |
| 12:11.39 | Phated | File a bug, then. |
| 12:11.50 | Phated | You don't mount root using a partition. You mount a partition as root. |
| 12:11.55 | EmleyMoor | chugga: What is your first language? |
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| 12:11.59 | chugga | thats true, |
| 12:12.06 | chugga | emley, swahili |
| 12:12.31 | Phated | Ah. We forgive you, then. We'd simply thought you were stupid before now. |
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| 12:12.34 | EmleyMoor | Ah |
| 12:13.02 | chugga | well i'll go this a second go .. thanks for the help guys |
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| 12:13.18 | suppaman | did anyone answered me about the resolv.conf quesiton ? |
| 12:13.21 | suppaman | question |
| 12:13.28 | liable | initech: um, I didnt delete it, and dont seem to have it.. |
| 12:13.29 | Phated | We don't know. |
| 12:13.40 | jason_ | hello world |
| 12:13.45 | djace | slightly offtopic, but... anyone know whats the name of the encoding used in HTML to represent, for example, accents? (where á = á) |
| 12:13.47 | suppaman | I had too few scrollback lines |
| 12:14.10 | jason_ | i have sarge, and i am trying to get apache2 to recognize php4. |
| 12:14.13 | Phated | suppaman: How long ago did you ask? No one knows what the hell you're referring to now. |
| 12:14.40 | Phated | jason_: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 or somesuch. |
| 12:14.43 | suppaman | good |
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| 12:14.54 | ashridah | damnit. looks like the author of module-assistant is a tool. guess that answers that question "we've fixed the bug, but it was never bug (ps, we really haven't fixed the bug, we're just claiming we have. haha, the bug's your fault)" |
| 12:14.55 | sanxiyn | djace: ISO 10646. |
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| 12:15.00 | liable | initech: even though its mentioned in the install template.. |
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| 12:15.17 | djace | sanxiyn: thanks. |
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| 12:15.34 | sanxiyn | djace: (Which is more widely known as Unicode) |
| 12:15.41 | Phated | Which, ew. |
| 12:15.44 | suppaman | where do I need to put my "nameserver" lines ? I read man resolvconf and resolv.conf but still haven't understood that |
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| 12:16.15 | liable | suppaman: nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx /etc/resov,conf |
| 12:16.30 | sanxiyn | nameserver 219.250.36.130 |
| 12:16.32 | liable | suppaman: xxxx on a new line |
| 12:16.35 | sanxiyn | (My resolv.conf in total) |
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| 12:17.07 | liable | err, no |
| 12:17.13 | liable | same line |
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| 12:17.17 | suppaman | liable # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
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| 12:17.33 | Phated | Depends, don't it. If you don't use DHCP, it won't. |
| 12:17.48 | suppaman | I don't use dhcp and it will |
| 12:17.53 | liable | suppaman: remove resolvconf package |
| 12:17.58 | suppaman | oh ok |
| 12:17.59 | Phated | Wot he said. |
| 12:18.21 | suppaman | Phated: me ? |
| 12:18.38 | Phated | No, just do what liable said. :) |
| 12:18.48 | jason_ | Phated: still won't work..i have uncommneted the two lines in the config file, and i have restarted apache |
| 12:19.00 | Phated | jason_: Clear your browser cache. |
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| 12:19.11 | suppaman | liable: and if I would like to use resolvconf ? I mean I've read resolvconf man page and can't understsand where to put a "nameserver" line |
| 12:19.17 | sanxiyn | Or Ctrl-F5 in Firefox. (Ignore-cache refresh) |
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| 12:19.21 | michel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.29 | Phated | sanxiyn: Cool. |
| 12:19.33 | sanxiyn | Ignore-cache refresh is better than emptying the cache. |
| 12:19.45 | Phated | Yeh, but I regularly empty it anyway, soo. :) |
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| 12:19.52 | jason_ | Phated: do i have to be root to do that? |
| 12:20.02 | Phated | jason_: Ehm, no? |
| 12:20.06 | sanxiyn | jason_: Clearing browser cache? Absolutely not. |
| 12:20.15 | Phated | It's -your- own cache. |
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| 12:21.48 | liable | suppaman: just put it in resolv.conf |
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| 12:22.08 | sbux | HEllo |
| 12:22.12 | polux_ | hi |
| 12:22.15 | sbux | Anyone can help ? |
| 12:22.19 | sanxiyn | sbux: Go ahead. |
| 12:22.19 | WolfShadow | could anyone tell me how I get a list of all the packages installed on one system so that I can then automate their installation on another? dpkg -l seems to cut off part of the longer package names |
| 12:22.23 | sbux | I have a problem with xfce |
| 12:22.35 | sbux | I just upgraded my sid and my xserver-xorg |
| 12:22.39 | polux_ | wolffc, tyope COLUMNS=500 dpkg -l for instance |
| 12:22.42 | sbux | but I can't get the transparency to work |
| 12:22.43 | Boucman | wolffc: let me look into it for a minute |
| 12:22.44 | Phated | WolfShadow: dpkg --get-selections, you might have to work some magic with cut to get the install status out. |
| 12:22.47 | sanxiyn | WolfShadow: Redirect output of dpkg -l. |
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| 12:22.52 | polux_ | oops |
| 12:22.59 | sbux | did anyone try to make it work ? |
| 12:23.00 | polux_ | it was for WolfShadow |
| 12:23.09 | sanxiyn | (dpkg -l cuts package names only if its output is to screen.) |
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| 12:23.43 | Boucman | WolfShadow: dpkg --get-selection and --set-selection |
| 12:23.52 | sanxiyn | sbux: Sid Xorg doesn't have transparency stuffs yet. |
| 12:24.16 | sbux | ah ok, so I still need to recompile it on my own with the right options enabled |
| 12:24.24 | sbux | well thanks :) |
| 12:24.34 | sanxiyn | sbux: Or wait some more. |
| 12:25.09 | sbux | yup, or compile it on my own, but I think I will wait |
| 12:25.34 | sbux | thanks everyone |
| 12:25.47 | WolfShadow | thank you |
| 12:26.16 | michel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.28 | polux_ | sbux, you just need to compile xcompmgr et transset from freedesktop web site |
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| 12:29.02 | jason_ | Phated: still won't work.. |
| 12:29.53 | jason_ | Phated: does it matter if my httpd command doesn't work? i am asking because one of the statement i uncommented in the config file mentions the httpd. |
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| 12:30.59 | liable | I am slowly getting the blood sucked out of me, by mosquitoes. :( bastards... |
| 12:31.01 | Phated | jason_: Not sure. It's been some time since I did this, sorry. A few more referrals to the docs might help. |
| 12:31.30 | liable | !tell dasdas about away |
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| 12:32.11 | sanxiyn | "...there should be no big problem finding a sponsor" -- Eduard Bloch on debian-devel |
| 12:32.12 | sanxiyn | heh |
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| 12:33.39 | Teufel | Could someone help me with exim? I can send out mail fine but can't recieve it... <sigh> |
| 12:34.27 | jason_ | Phated, i have 'Addtype application/x-httpd-php .php' and 'Addtype application/x-httpd-php-source .phps' |
| 12:35.08 | sanxiyn | jason_: You also have libphp4 module loaded. |
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| 12:35.25 | jason_ | Phated, the problem is that i did not install apache from source; i installed apache2 and php4 through the synaptic packagwe manager. doe sthat make a difference? |
| 12:35.37 | Phated | jason_: Don't think so. |
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| 12:35.59 | sanxiyn | "What's with the recent push to get every little things written down into policy so the developer no longer is required to have an ability to think?" -- Manoj Srivastava on debian-devel |
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| 12:36.13 | sanxiyn | jason_: Make sure php4 is in mods-enabled. |
| 12:36.13 | jason_ | Phated, and the command httpd doesnt even work for me; i use the command "apache2." |
| 12:36.37 | Phated | jason_: Ah, hm. I'm really not recalling; try #apache? |
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| 12:37.16 | Teufel | !exim4 |
| 12:37.16 | dpkg | somebody said exim4 was an easy to configure and also powerfull MTA licensed under the GPL, a great sendmail replacement. apt-get able debs for woody are available at http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/, or set to have ident checking on by default, which will slow down connect times drastically. See /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options for the fix |
| 12:37.22 | jason_ | Phated, u guys are most knowledgeable |
| 12:37.39 | Phated | jason_: Not me, anyway. Ask around in a couple of hours or something. |
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| 12:37.55 | Wimpie | anybody has a SMC8435W wlan pcmcia card ? |
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| 12:38.05 | sanxiyn | jason_: #apache people are helpful too. |
| 12:38.38 | sanxiyn | Ah, but IIRC #apache doesn't like to be asked for distro-specific questions too much... |
| 12:38.49 | sanxiyn | But I think your problem is generic one? |
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| 12:39.39 | jason_ | okay, but is there a general command i can type in like phpinfo that can make sure i have it installed right? |
| 12:40.19 | sanxiyn | jason_: What was your problem? ;;; |
| 12:40.47 | jason_ | sanxiyn, well, i am just trying to enable php4 in apache2... |
| 12:41.20 | Wimpie | jason_ : create link from mods-enabled to mods-available |
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| 12:41.25 | Benji | ubuntuuuuuuuuu |
| 12:41.29 | Wimpie | in /etc/apache2 dir |
| 12:41.34 | sanxiyn | jason_: a2enmod php4 |
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| 12:41.45 | sanxiyn | jason_: (which does, exactly what Wimpie said, anyway) |
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| 12:42.05 | sanxiyn | jason_: IIRC, that happens automatically if you have apache2 installed when you install php4. |
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| 12:42.20 | jason_ | sanxiyn, ar eyou saying i just type 'a2enmod php4 in my config file? |
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| 12:42.23 | Wimpie | sanxiyn : no it does not |
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| 12:42.41 | Wimpie | jason_ : no from a root prompt In a terminal session |
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| 12:43.02 | Wimpie | does anybody know what is goin on with prism54.org website ? |
| 12:43.04 | sanxiyn | Wimpie: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php4.postinst disagrees with you. |
| 12:43.23 | sanxiyn | (It does run a2enmod php4 in postinst) |
| 12:43.26 | Wimpie | well I installed it and I only got an entry in mods-available but none in mods-enabled |
| 12:43.51 | Wimpie | I run sid |
| 12:43.54 | sanxiyn | Wimpie: No, it really does... |
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| 12:44.41 | Wimpie | strange ... |
| 12:44.58 | Wimpie | I really had to create the link by hand (but It might have been in ubuntu i just recalled...) |
| 12:45.00 | sanxiyn | Actually, if you install Debian's apache2 and php4, you don't need ANY configuration to get it working. |
| 12:45.04 | sanxiyn | (It was the case for me.) |
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| 12:45.38 | sanxiyn | apache 1 is different story. |
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| 12:45.51 | Wimpie | might be but I run apache2 |
| 12:45.58 | jason_ | sanxiyn: the ouput says "module already enabled!" |
| 12:46.00 | Wimpie | well ... you probably are right |
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| 12:46.06 | Teufel | Could someone help me set up my mail server? This is really frustrating me and I can't find anything via google |
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| 12:46.17 | sanxiyn | jason_: Then it's not that problem... Hm. |
| 12:46.27 | Wimpie | jason_ : why do you think php does not work then ? |
| 12:46.31 | cyzie | hello all, after install x-windows-system and fluxbox, the GUI cannto be start, how do i configure it back to vesa? |
| 12:47.00 | jason_ | wimpie, well, i put a php command in my documentroot file, and there is no evidence of the php code working |
| 12:47.03 | sanxiyn | cyzie: dpkg-reconfigure <xserver package name> |
| 12:47.35 | jason_ | wimpie, it is just an echo command |
| 12:47.44 | Teufel | I am using EXIM4 as a mailserver. I can send mail fine to anyone, but when they try and reply it always comes back. WTF is going wrong? I have port forwarding set up for port 25 for smtp... |
| 12:47.47 | sanxiyn | jason_: What happens when you load php file? you see text source? |
| 12:47.51 | Wimpie | did you check /var/log/apache/access and error to see what apache makes of it ? |
| 12:48.14 | cyzie | sanxiyn, xserver package name? |
| 12:48.23 | sanxiyn | cyzie: xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg. |
| 12:48.25 | sanxiyn | !drxx |
| 12:48.25 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 12:48.42 | sanxiyn | Guess that factoids need amendation somehow... |
| 12:48.52 | jason_ | well, i have two things...i put in a php program in my document root and i also inserted a php command in the actualy docroot file, and when i go 'http://localhost/hello.php' it asks me if i want to download or save |
| 12:49.10 | sanxiyn | jason_: Okay. |
| 12:49.20 | takatumi | the 3 fans in this presario 2540EA laptop seem to be spinning fine, the heat sink and the ventilation is free from cruft, yet any heavy load on the cpu can take the temperature up to 73C and the machine shuts off, what else could be wrong? |
| 12:49.49 | Wimpie | afaik that means that apache does not relate php extension to php command, right ? |
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| 12:50.52 | sanxiyn | Wimpie: That, or php module not loaded. But since he said it is enabled... |
| 12:51.20 | sanxiyn | jason_: Does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf look sensible |
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| 12:52.01 | doojin | hi |
| 12:52.03 | doojin | I modifiifed the grub configuration |
| 12:52.09 | doojin | modified |
| 12:52.10 | Teufel | Could someone help me set up my mail server? This is really frustrating me and I can't find anything via google |
| 12:52.10 | Teufel | I am using EXIM4 as a mailserver. I can send mail fine to anyone, but when they try and reply it always comes back. WTF is going wrong? I have port forwarding set up for port 25 for smtp... |
| 12:52.17 | doojin | liable : I'm no on xwindows |
| 12:52.22 | doojin | you know what I mean |
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| 12:52.41 | sanxiyn | Teufel: "comes back"? |
| 12:52.45 | liable | doojin: ? |
| 12:52.55 | sanxiyn | Teufel: You mean, anyone sending mail to your mailserver gets a bounce? |
| 12:53.04 | Teufel | sanxiyn: yeah |
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| 12:53.23 | doojin | liable : I can boot into debian |
| 12:53.25 | doojin | now |
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| 12:53.33 | doojin | the grub configuration was wrong |
| 12:53.33 | liable | doojin: good :) |
| 12:53.39 | jason_ | sanxiyn, it says 'Addtype application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3' |
| 12:53.50 | doojin | at least I was better at grub configuration than you |
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| 12:54.09 | sanxiyn | jason_: Strange strange. Try restarting apache2 if you haven't already. :( |
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| 12:54.20 | sanxiyn | jason_: I really have no idea. |
| 12:54.32 | doojin | hahahaha |
| 12:54.36 | liable | doojin: fuck you. nice way to thank someone.. |
| 12:54.47 | doub | doojin: ooooh how powerful you are |
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| 12:55.06 | jason_ | does it make a difference that it says php3 when i am using php4? |
| 12:55.11 | Wimpie | jason_: to make sure (but it should be ok) there is also an optoin in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini to enable the engine |
| 12:55.26 | doojin | doub : ? |
| 12:55.48 | doub | doojin: maybe one day you'll understand |
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| 12:55.59 | Paschendale | hi all! I'm having some issues with my laptop which has a ati 9600 and an intel chipset... When i try to load the module intel-agp there's no output. I run dmesg and there's no info about the module i just tried to load. And when i write lsmod the module isn't loaded |
| 12:56.05 | Paschendale | anyone know how to solve this? |
| 12:56.12 | Paschendale | any idea why the module isn't loading? |
| 12:56.33 | Wimpie | jason : I have that too. check the apache2 log files too |
| 12:56.34 | sanxiyn | Paschendale: "no output"? It just returns to the prompt? |
| 12:56.52 | Paschendale | sanxiyn, yes :| |
| 12:57.04 | takatumi | Paschendale: that should mean it loaded fine. |
| 12:57.19 | takatumi | usually... |
| 12:57.20 | sanxiyn | Paschendale: It's intel_agp (with underscore, not hyphen) btw. |
| 12:57.26 | jason_ | sanxiyn, does the addhandler in apache2 confi file have to match the addhandler statement in the php.ini file perfectly letter by letter? |
| 12:57.28 | Paschendale | takatumi, but dmes doesn't say anything at all and lsmod doesn't show the module |
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| 12:57.36 | Paschendale | sanxiyn, tried it too :) |
| 12:57.54 | Paschendale | and when i start X the while PC freezes... :| |
| 12:58.21 | sanxiyn | jason_: No. |
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| 12:58.51 | doojin | I'll never be intimidated |
| 12:58.57 | doub | Paschendale: what kernel are you using? |
| 12:59.14 | Paschendale | 2.6.12 |
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| 12:59.37 | cyzie | sanxiyn, still not working :( |
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| 12:59.54 | sanxiyn | cyzie: You changed video driver to vesa? |
| 13:00.05 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 13:00.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:00.14 | cyzie | sanxiyn, dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 doesnt show anyting. |
| 13:00.23 | sanxiyn | cyzie: Not xfree86. |
| 13:00.24 | doub | Paschendale: maybe this is a kernel bug, try downgrading to 2.6.10, as 2.6.11 is a development version, AFAIK |
| 13:00.27 | sanxiyn | !drxx |
| 13:00.27 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 13:00.32 | ordi666 | I'd like some help, I installed (no error) Hostap driver, but when I plugg the card the stupid orinoco_cs module load instead, please I'd like some help |
| 13:00.34 | doub | Paschendale: and see if it works then |
| 13:00.36 | sanxiyn | (Note xserver- part.) |
| 13:01.02 | sanxiyn | ordi666: Beat hotplug into clueness. |
| 13:01.13 | takatumi | Paschendale: try loading the module with modprobe -v |
| 13:01.32 | liable | doojin: as well as not being intimidated, you wont be helped by me either... |
| 13:01.35 | Paschendale | doub, it used to work before i did some updates on my system... but will try it.. thanks |
| 13:01.42 | war- | Question to the Debian package maintainers here -- Why isn't bzip2 (1.0.3) released in February of 2005 in Debian Etch (testing)? Should I e-mail the maintainer and ask him why he has not upgraded the package in Etch yet? |
| 13:01.51 | doub | Paschendale: well, try what takatumi said first |
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| 13:02.11 | doub | Paschendale: maybe this is just some stupid file missing bug too |
| 13:02.21 | magyar | is there a way to enable "vacation" program for postfix virtual users? |
| 13:02.28 | sanxiyn | war-: Yes, perhaps. File a wishlist "new upstream version" but. |
| 13:02.39 | sanxiyn | s/but/bug/ |
| 13:02.59 | Paschendale | will try it... but will have to restart... beause i have it compiled to the kernel at the moment and it works... but only the first time i load X... If i have to restart X it freezes again :) |
| 13:03.17 | rixth | No CD player will play a CD on my system. Here's the terminal output: http://pastebin.com/314434 |
| 13:03.25 | rixth | This is in Etch. |
| 13:03.30 | sanxiyn | war-: Yes, filing a wishlist bug seems to be a good idea. |
| 13:03.33 | jason_ | thx for everyone's help... |
| 13:03.42 | war- | k. thanks |
| 13:03.54 | takatumi | Paschendale: if it works compiled in, leave it as is. my graphic related stuff works better compiled in as well. 2.6.12 here too, works fine. |
| 13:04.14 | rixth | /join ##php |
| 13:04.46 | doojin | can I just upgrade debian with netinstall cd? |
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| 13:05.08 | takatumi | doojin: thought you got it all working, what now? |
| 13:05.08 | Paschendale | takatumi, i would leave it like this but it really bothers me when i have to restart X and it just freezes the whole PC |
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| 13:05.18 | doojin | It's working |
| 13:05.29 | takatumi | Paschendale: that ain't good, tweak away. :) |
| 13:05.35 | doojin | the last thing I need to do is to install mame front end for linux |
| 13:05.36 | llama32 | a bit off topic (#ai, #machinelearning are ghost-towns), but in a neural network, should the number of neurons per layer be like a pyramid - less neurons on layers closer to the output, or would the same number per layer be sufficient? |
| 13:05.58 | doojin | you can recommend a good front end to me |
| 13:06.25 | doub | doojin: that would be pretty useless, but you can do upgrade with a netinst cd if it has the base system on it |
| 13:06.41 | Paschendale | thanks for your help guys... will try to see if modprobe tells anything with -v and downgrading kernel :) |
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| 13:07.03 | Paschendale | rebooting :) |
| 13:07.12 | doojin | I want to play mame games on linux |
| 13:07.20 | doojin | and I need a mame front end |
| 13:07.31 | takatumi | Paschendale: is it the whole PC freezing or just your keyboard crapping out? tried ssh'ing in? |
| 13:07.32 | sanxiyn | doojin: Get xmame! |
| 13:07.36 | takatumi | bah |
| 13:08.02 | doub | doojin: see qref.sf.net, we're not here to help you if you don't try to help yourself a little first |
| 13:08.06 | sanxiyn | (Debian xmame was in bad state some time ago, but it's all good now.) |
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| 13:09.18 | bob-zi-ho | llama32> I dunno, it may depend off the retropropagation algorithm you use. |
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| 13:11.22 | rommer | is debian good as a linux server? |
| 13:11.41 | takatumi | rommer: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 13:11.45 | Benji | c |
| 13:11.50 | bob-zi-ho | lol |
| 13:12.03 | sanxiyn | rommer: Yes. |
| 13:12.09 | liable | wow, thats a confusing question.. |
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| 13:13.37 | doub | liable: how diplomat you are |
| 13:13.41 | doub | liable: i'm impressed ;) |
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| 13:14.22 | liable | doub: nah, i'm tired and getting drunk.. :) |
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| 13:14.39 | magyar | is there a way to check replies sent to me on IRC? |
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| 13:15.17 | doub | liable: well, there are people who get even more aggressive drunk. i sometimes do. so i'm impressed |
| 13:15.26 | takatumi | magyar: /lastlog |
| 13:16.10 | initech | bad drunks are the sux0r |
| 13:16.35 | liable | doub: nah, I just dribble shit :P |
| 13:16.36 | takatumi | if you can't hold your liquor, don't drink. |
| 13:16.59 | initech | takatumi: it isn't that, it's that some people (many) become violent when drunk |
| 13:18.02 | initech | like whiskey drinkers |
| 13:18.10 | initech | or tequila |
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| 13:18.25 | Skrot | True. Stay away from jack and tequilla. :) |
| 13:18.56 | initech | rum or vodka drinkers generally aren't a problem |
| 13:19.00 | rage | I become quieter when drunk. |
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| 13:19.17 | liable | you should see bundy rum drinkers.... |
| 13:19.24 | bob-zi-ho | mmh |
| 13:19.25 | takatumi | it's been 2 years since I stopped. :D |
| 13:19.34 | initech | i become obnoxious and rant humorously, but I don't get cracky or violent in the least |
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| 13:20.48 | liable | I tend to just dribble shit... and not be able to type :P |
| 13:20.54 | doub | initech: it depends on the environment, i guess ;) |
| 13:21.28 | takatumi | liable: that's harmless as long as you are dribbling to yourself. :) |
| 13:21.46 | doub | initech: if i'm at home with friends, that's what i do (drunk or not, anyway) |
| 13:21.57 | hyde | i switched my exim to use maildir and to deliver to ~/Maildir -- what would be the proper way to set the $MAIL env variable for all users; i set QMAIL=Maildir/ in login.def but it doesn't seem to do anything; i had thought this would be the right place to put it, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. of course i could alter /etc/pam.d/ssh or stick an export MAIL line into /etc/profile but what would be the correct way of doing this? |
| 13:22.02 | liable | takatumi: oh no, I do it on #debian :P |
| 13:22.57 | doub | initech: but if i'm in the street, say watching live concerts or the like, where boring people, the kind that want to take your money or phone away come by, that gets me a little bit angry, to say the least |
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| 13:23.28 | asg | hyde: try #exim but it's usually easier to make procmail the mda and give everyone a .procmailrc that delivers to ~/Maildir |
| 13:23.32 | ordi666 | I'd like some help, I installed (no error) Hostap driver, but when I plugg the card the stupid orinoco_cs module load instead, there must be something that tell my stupid computer to load orinoco instead of hostap |
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| 13:23.47 | takatumi | asg: or #qmail :) |
| 13:23.56 | hyde | asg, this isn't really a mua/mda issue |
| 13:24.00 | liable | ordi666: blacklist it. |
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| 13:24.14 | asg | hyde: no though it is a solution to the problem with other benefits. |
| 13:24.28 | asg | takatumi: #qmail will not help him with exim |
| 13:24.44 | hyde | asg, but i'm already delivering into ~/Maildir |
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| 13:24.59 | doub | ordi666: a computer is not stupid, it just follow orders ;) |
| 13:25.14 | liable | ordi666: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 13:25.31 | ordi666 | doub, I know ;) liable wich file give the order to blacklist please ? |
| 13:25.34 | ordi666 | thanx |
| 13:25.35 | takatumi | asg: I got stuck with this. "i set QMAIL=Maildir/" apologies. |
| 13:25.35 | ordi666 | ;) |
| 13:25.37 | liable | ordi666: maybe discover too |
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| 13:25.49 | hyde | asg, i'm actually somewhat concerned as to why login.defs is being ignored |
| 13:25.50 | Paschendale | Hi again! |
| 13:25.52 | asg | takatumi: s'okay, I completely misunderstood what he was actually saying |
| 13:26.30 | doojin | I'm out |
| 13:26.31 | doojin | exit |
| 13:26.32 | doojin | quit |
| 13:26.37 | ordi666 | there must be something that tell to load orinoco when I plug my card, wich file does say to hotplug to load one module or an other ? |
| 13:26.58 | Paschendale | Well... i did modprobe -v intel_agp as takatumi sugested! The output was nothing once again... But i run insmod and it worked... strange the modprobe can't load that module... |
| 13:27.33 | asg | hyde: hmmm, did you use the variable QMAIL or QMAIL_DIR? |
| 13:27.48 | Paschendale | but unfortunatly... the problem persists after i'm able to load the module... my PC still freezes if i have to restart X :( |
| 13:27.57 | hyde | asg, QMAIL_DIR of course, typo in original |
| 13:28.07 | Paschendale | maybe will try to downgrade... thanks for your help anyway guys :) |
| 13:28.07 | takatumi | Paschendale: can you ssh in? |
| 13:28.17 | doub | ordi666: it's the /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.*map files that hotplog and discover rely on to load the "appropriate" module |
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| 13:28.22 | takatumi | Paschendale: when it freezes. |
| 13:28.38 | Paschendale | takatumi, not even ssh :) |
| 13:28.40 | liable | ordi666: its a cardbus card? |
| 13:28.46 | doub | ordi666: you can't change those, but you can tell hotplug not to rely on them |
| 13:28.46 | asg | hyde: hmmm, you might want to read the BUGS section of login.defs(5) |
| 13:28.48 | Paschendale | takatumi, tried it already :| |
| 13:28.51 | Anthro | So for historical reasons, I keep my email aliases in elm format. I have a nice shell script that uses elmalias to convert it into a mutt aliases file. This worked fine on the Solaris systems I was using previously, but now that I've moved my email handling to Debian I can't find an elm package. Is there one out there? |
| 13:29.15 | wolffc | somebody highlighted me? |
| 13:29.24 | takatumi | Paschendale: ok. |
| 13:29.25 | Phated | wolffc: mishilight. Ignore. |
| 13:29.29 | liable | wolffc: ?? |
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| 13:29.40 | lawnchair | liable, ?? |
| 13:29.46 | liable | lawnchair: ?? |
| 13:29.50 | lawnchair | watch it! |
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| 13:29.56 | liable | oooh |
| 13:29.56 | wolffc | "highlight" in irc == "mentioned my nickname" |
| 13:30.04 | ordi666 | liable, yes it's a cardbus |
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| 13:30.16 | Phated | wolffc: "mishilight" == "tab-completed by accident". |
| 13:30.23 | liable | lawnchair: you gonna come get me? |
| 13:30.27 | hyde | asg, nod thx, it's confusing though because if you check /etc/pam.d/login you'll see in the comment by pam_mail that you should be setting this in login.defs, and pam_mail is already set to *not* set the environment |
| 13:30.28 | wolffc | Ah, OK :) |
| 13:30.30 | lawnchair | liable, yes |
| 13:30.47 | liable | lawnchair: k, when can I expect you? |
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| 13:31.27 | hyde | asg, i was able to have the desired affect by altering the pam_mail line in /etc/pam.d/ssh but i figured there'd be a more central place to do this |
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| 13:32.16 | liable | ordi666: can you not blacklist the apropriate module in holtplug? |
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| 13:33.20 | ordi666 | liable, I blacklisted orinoco & orinoco_cs but no effect, should I reboot ? |
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| 13:33.30 | ridgerunner | anyone availble to give me a hand with some drivers? |
| 13:33.51 | liable | ordi666: um, no just modprobe -r the module. |
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| 13:34.01 | Skrot | ordi666: Maybe restart hotplug? /etc/hotplug restart or something? |
| 13:34.10 | Garrison | Anyone have an nForce2 board kernel-config I could have? |
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| 13:34.49 | Skrot | ordi666: err, /etc/init.d/hotplut restart |
| 13:34.56 | Skrot | omg.. hotplug |
| 13:35.13 | Garrison | Hotslut, nice. |
| 13:35.21 | Skrot | haha |
| 13:35.47 | Phated | Service you, of course. |
| 13:35.55 | takatumi | Skrot: get your client to tab complete dirs. :P |
| 13:36.03 | Skrot | Nice one when calling service "Yes, you need to restart your hotslut" ;) |
| 13:36.14 | Skrot | takatumi: I'm on a windows computer at the moment.. :< |
| 13:36.18 | Garrison | rofl |
| 13:36.22 | ordi666 | Skrot, that still load those modules .... |
| 13:36.27 | asg | hyde: I understand, there is some confusion there. |
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| 13:36.47 | takatumi | ordi666: hotplug, discover and /etc/modules |
| 13:36.47 | Phated | Garrison: Mounts and unmounts automatically. |
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| 13:37.08 | Garrison | Phated; haha nice. |
| 13:37.17 | Garrison | Phated; Automagically. |
| 13:37.20 | liable | ordi666: um, what do you mean? if they arent loaded, then restarting hotplug loads them? |
| 13:37.24 | takatumi | Skrot: then you get credit for remembering dir names. :) |
| 13:37.25 | Phated | Ah, fuck, I'll be thinking of ideas all night now. |
| 13:37.26 | Skrot | Phated: you'r saying that the "hotslut" service mounts and unmounts automagicaly? Nice :P |
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| 13:37.43 | Phated | Skrot: One should hope it does, hotslut can't stay mounted forever. |
| 13:37.51 | Phated | *ahem* |
| 13:37.53 | liable | heh |
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| 13:37.58 | Garrison | rol |
| 13:38.12 | takatumi | lost a fucking f |
| 13:38.20 | Skrot | Nah, that would be unconvenient indeed |
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| 13:38.43 | ordi666 | according to what I can see on some webpage I have to modify /etc/pcmcia/config.opts to load hostap_cs when my card is detected |
| 13:38.47 | Garrison | "Warning, do not keep hotslut mounted for more then 30 mins.." Me at Walmart: "Um.. My hotslut broke, can I get a refund" |
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| 13:39.04 | liable | ordi666: so do that... |
| 13:39.14 | asuffield | I bet Phated has hotslut installed |
| 13:39.22 | ordi666 | liable, but I don't know how I have to modify it ... |
| 13:39.22 | ridgerunner | I need a hand finding some drivers |
| 13:39.24 | Phated | But of course. |
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| 13:39.43 | OleMoudi | they reeeeeally need to fix grub setting sata drives as /dev/hde with kernels 2.6.x in menu.lst |
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| 13:39.59 | liable | where do I get one of these hotslut things?... |
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| 13:40.06 | Garrison | Anyone know how to get analog line-in to put sound out through my digital fibre? |
| 13:40.56 | takatumi | ordi666: loading hostap* via /etc/modules works fine too, similar card here. perhaps fiddling with config.opts works better. *shrug* |
| 13:40.58 | liable | ordi666: can you unload the apropriate module, and load the right one, and get it to work? |
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| 13:41.20 | Benji | exit |
| 13:41.22 | Benji | ops |
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| 13:43.06 | ordi666 | liable, I can't unload orinoco module |
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| 13:43.30 | sanxiyn | ordi666: Try reboot. |
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| 13:43.39 | liable | ordi666: um, no |
| 13:43.40 | Pego | for compil my new kernel and have the initrd image i just need add --initrd to make-kpkg ? |
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| 13:43.59 | ordi666 | I'm gonna reboot just to be 100% sure that it doesn't change anything ;) see you |
| 13:44.10 | liable | bah |
| 13:44.19 | Manyfold | where can i find the grub.conf |
| 13:44.26 | takatumi | Pego: yes, check your bootloader config after installing to ensure the initrd line is there though. |
| 13:44.37 | asg | Manyfold: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:44.41 | liable | Manyfold: /boot/grub |
| 13:44.41 | spamalope | Manyfold: find / -name grub.conf |
| 13:44.55 | takatumi | but why grub.conf? |
| 13:44.56 | Pego | takatumi: oki because when i do that a message tell me do i m sure use that cause of cramfs etc ..; |
| 13:44.58 | liable | spamalope: um no |
| 13:45.19 | Manyfold | it's not in /boot/grub and find returned nothing |
| 13:45.28 | liable | grub.conf is redhat? |
| 13:45.37 | Manyfold | i tried all this before asking |
| 13:45.38 | takatumi | Pego: if it's 2.6 it's ok, you need to select it in the config though. |
| 13:45.46 | liable | Manyfold: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:45.55 | Pego | takatumi: it's okay |
| 13:45.57 | asg | liable: an assumption by the user that lilo.conf translates to grub.conf |
| 13:45.58 | simonrvn | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:45.58 | takatumi | Pego: cramfs support I mean. |
| 13:46.07 | liable | Manyfold: if its not there, you are not running debian.. |
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| 13:46.21 | spamalope | liable: he asked how he *could* find it |
| 13:46.24 | Manyfold | so grub.conf is called menu.lst under debian? |
| 13:46.25 | spamalope | i never said he would |
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| 13:46.53 | liable | spamalope: right. |
| 13:47.04 | ordi666 | LoL after a reboot, everything is going right ... |
| 13:47.22 | asg | Manyfold: yes |
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| 13:47.26 | ordi666 | thanx for the help you gave me ;) |
| 13:47.32 | Manyfold | thanks |
| 13:47.38 | lord_rob | Hi ! Slightly offtopic but I have some jpg and I'd like to resize them so that their size doesn't exceed 200k. Is there a program to that in a batch in debian ? |
| 13:47.58 | asg | lord_rob: look in the imagemagick package |
| 13:48.04 | jetx | hey how come i can mount a partition as $user, but i can't mount -a |
| 13:48.19 | lord_rob | thanks asg |
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| 13:49.01 | POVaddct | jetx: not all lines in /etc/fstab have the "user" option set |
| 13:49.09 | takatumi | Pego: there is an initrd setting in /etc/kernel-img.conf as well, bootloader related, iirc. "do_initrd = yes" |
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| 13:49.29 | Pego | i check that it's okay must be good now |
| 13:49.34 | PwNaG3 | !oalify albo_ |
| 13:49.43 | Pego | i test |
| 13:49.47 | PwNaG3 | !aolify albo_ |
| 13:49.52 | jetx | ah. ok POVaddct thanks. now i have to wonder why it doesn't even try. |
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| 13:50.29 | jetx | maybe it errors out on / |
| 13:50.42 | liable | jetx: as root, you cant mount -a? |
| 13:50.47 | jetx | yes |
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| 13:50.52 | jetx | no wait |
| 13:50.57 | jetx | i mean as root yes i can |
| 13:51.14 | liable | but... |
| 13:51.24 | jetx | as user it says 'only root can do that' |
| 13:51.34 | liable | for what? |
| 13:51.38 | goron | I get a printer icon in Windows XP (a shared Samba printer), but when I print anything, nothing is printed. Also, nothing comes up in Samba. |
| 13:51.39 | jetx | mount -a |
| 13:51.39 | POVaddct | jetx: i think "mount -a" is only allowed for root (checked by the mount binary itself) |
| 13:51.58 | cyzie | sanxiyn, can u help me? i still cannot start X :( |
| 13:52.12 | RogueDopple | goron use ipp with cups, samba is not necessary |
| 13:52.39 | goron | RogueDopple: I have no idea how. I tried it very seriously, but it didn't work. |
| 13:52.40 | jetx | i can mount the other partitions fine, by theirselves. hdax, hdcx |
| 13:52.44 | simonrvn | yes it is. you need su -c or sudo or su'd, or whatever (root privs) |
| 13:52.57 | jetx | ya sudo mount -a functions |
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| 13:53.02 | jetx | ok cool just wondering why |
| 13:53.04 | jetx | thankee |
| 13:53.06 | RogueDopple | rtm's |
| 13:53.14 | RogueDopple | or is tht rtms |
| 13:53.18 | RogueDopple | hmm neither |
| 13:53.22 | jetx | rtfm? |
| 13:53.29 | RogueDopple | thth 2 |
| 13:53.31 | goron | RogueDopple: I read the manuals. |
| 13:53.35 | RogueDopple | crap i can't spell |
| 13:53.39 | asg | RogueDopple: apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is rtfm |
| 13:53.55 | jetx | RogueDopple: don't install aspell if on sid :/ |
| 13:54.01 | RogueDopple | then configure your cups accordingly |
| 13:54.09 | RogueDopple | he eh np jetx i don't use sid |
| 13:54.15 | goron | RogueDopple: I spend like a week on it already. |
| 13:54.20 | simonrvn | yeh, you need your aol coaster |
| 13:54.22 | puetzk | jetx: in /etc/fstab, a drive can be listed with the option "user" - if it is, than ordinary users can mount/unmount it, otherwise only root can |
| 13:54.36 | asg | !qotd88 |
| 13:54.37 | dpkg | < quadrata> debiant: well, I want to run aol on debian, but my cd only works in windows < quadrata> I'll brb, I gotta get some fruitcake. Hope you guys will help me with the aol soon. |
| 13:55.11 | jetx | puetzk: yes i have them all except for / , /tmpfs, and /swap like that. it was the -a i was curious about. |
| 13:55.12 | simonrvn | why one would want to run aol anywhere, i have no idea |
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| 13:55.23 | jetx | simonrvn: because they LOVE it |
| 13:55.34 | jetx | i've tried to get this guy off aol for years |
| 13:55.38 | simonrvn | ...like another hole in the head |
| 13:55.45 | asg | simonrvn: You've got Popups! |
| 13:55.50 | jetx | ya, but ppl are weird |
| 13:55.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 13:55.56 | jetx | 'can be' |
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| 13:56.07 | like | if i want to allow only users from certain groups, who can run certains command, what can i do? |
| 13:56.15 | simonrvn | yes, everyone is weird. we're all unique |
| 13:56.28 | RogueDopple | uniquely weird |
| 13:56.38 | paulswm | I got my spouse off AOL, quite a lot of resistance till she saw what non-AOL was like, then she got mad at them for giving her a crap experience for years |
| 13:57.00 | magyar | is there a way to enable "vacation" program for postfix virtual users? |
| 13:57.02 | takatumi | paulswm: time to write a book about it. :) |
| 13:57.04 | Manyfold | how can i set a default -march for gcc under debian? |
| 13:57.16 | simonrvn | "super-size me" AOL style |
| 13:57.28 | liable | @annoy paulswm |
| 13:57.29 | ravenbird | paulswm: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 13:57.40 | simonrvn | @aolify liable |
| 13:57.47 | paulswm | !irritate liable |
| 13:57.48 | goron | RogueDopple: I get "The data area that was given to a systemcall, is too small". |
| 13:57.48 | dpkg | liable: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 13:57.53 | asg | magyar: have you asked #postfix? |
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| 13:58.07 | magyar | asg: yes |
| 13:58.09 | goron | RogueDopple: Via cups on Windows. |
| 13:58.11 | paulswm | Hi, liable, long time no see, hope you are doing well |
| 13:58.18 | magyar | asg: no one there |
| 13:58.19 | liable | paulswm: :) |
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| 13:58.25 | asg | like: it's not easy. Look at sudo or RBAC systems like SELinux |
| 13:58.31 | goron | RogueDopple: This has nothing to do with reading manuals, since it's something of the printerdriver. |
| 13:58.39 | goron | RogueDopple: Which is *not* documented. |
| 13:58.41 | liable | !aussiesmite simonrvn |
| 13:58.42 | dpkg | simonrvn: few roos loose in your top paddock mate |
| 13:58.58 | cyzie | hello everyone, after i apt-get install x-window-system and fluxbox, i reboot my laptop, it cant start GUI. anyone can help me? |
| 13:59.00 | simonrvn | nah, they're supposed to be there ;P |
| 13:59.02 | jetx | acl's |
| 13:59.11 | goron | RogueDopple: So, as you were such a smartass: tell me what I should do. |
| 13:59.22 | RogueDopple | 1st panic |
| 13:59.29 | RogueDopple | 2nd continuing panicing |
| 13:59.36 | RogueDopple | 3rd run in circles 5 times |
| 13:59.43 | Manyfold | how can i set a default -march for gcc under debian? |
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| 13:59.54 | RogueDopple | if you haven't solved it by then keep panicing |
| 14:00.04 | goron | RogueDopple: next time you don't know what you are talking about: Shut The Fuck Up. |
| 14:00.14 | paulswm | !prize goron |
| 14:00.22 | initech | jetx: well you can use acls in linux just fine if you use the right filesystem |
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| 14:00.22 | RogueDopple | ha ah |
| 14:00.28 | RogueDopple | step 1 achieved |
| 14:00.32 | goron | paulswm: thanks |
| 14:00.36 | paulswm | :) |
| 14:01.04 | initech | tho as far as I'm concerned ACL's a stupid except on network shared filesystems |
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| 14:01.28 | paulswm | goron: Isn't it annoying when someone wastes your time and there's no Lethal Injection Over IP? |
| 14:01.38 | goron | paulswm: yes |
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| 14:01.39 | asg | paulswm: uubp |
| 14:01.42 | jetx | http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=default+march&num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&newwindow=1&safe=off |
| 14:01.43 | desplesda | does anyone have a mirror of that movie of shuttleworth singing? |
| 14:01.52 | paulswm | asac: uubp? |
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| 14:01.55 | asg | !uubp |
| 14:01.56 | dpkg | well, uubp is Unix-to-Unix beer protocol |
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| 14:02.00 | paulswm | Ah |
| 14:02.08 | liable | isnt there a factiod for that? |
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| 14:02.13 | paulswm | I'm all in favor of that |
| 14:02.21 | asg | liable: there's a manpage in asr-manpages |
| 14:02.22 | liable | stabbing over ip? |
| 14:02.28 | paulswm | Beer over IP |
| 14:02.39 | asg | liable: or rather funny-manpages |
| 14:02.55 | simonrvn | pigeon over ip |
| 14:02.56 | asg | liable: knife(8) |
| 14:02.59 | RogueDopple | paulswm: i didn't waste his time i just refuse to give him the answer he eh |
| 14:03.03 | initech | jetx: apt-build sets a default arch, dunno about the rest |
| 14:03.10 | asg | !rfc1149 |
| 14:03.10 | dpkg | from memory, rfc1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 14:03.24 | simonrvn | asg: ;) |
| 14:03.31 | paulswm | RogueDopple: this is a help channel, not a ho-help channel |
| 14:03.37 | paulswm | no-help I mean |
| 14:03.38 | RogueDopple | i said rtm |
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| 14:03.54 | RogueDopple | i'm not gonna config the bloody thing for him |
| 14:03.54 | liable | how fast can a laden sparrow fly? |
| 14:04.00 | paulswm | Ah well you guys have fun, I can see it's the weekend |
| 14:04.00 | simonrvn | actually, some people did the experiment. was slow, but it worked (duh, people have been doing it for a long time ;) |
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| 14:04.17 | asg | simonrvn: in Denmark wasn't it? |
| 14:04.24 | simonrvn | iirc |
| 14:04.25 | jetx | i know absofuckinlutley nothing about compiling, except make, make install, but most esp make-kpkg |
| 14:04.30 | jetx | :( |
| 14:04.34 | gaasfet | Q: have the debian "testing" repositories been name changed to "sarge" ??? |
| 14:04.41 | asg | gaasfet: no, etch |
| 14:04.42 | simonrvn | uh |
| 14:04.43 | jetx | testing is now etch |
| 14:04.45 | asg | gaasfet: sarge is now stable |
| 14:04.47 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 14:04.49 | jetx | sarge is ^^ |
| 14:05.33 | gaasfet | asg: so I could then change my repsitories to "sarge"??? |
| 14:05.50 | asg | gaasfet: if you were tracking testing, you are beyond sarge at this point. |
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| 14:05.58 | gaasfet | ahh |
| 14:06.01 | initech | gaasfet: i always point apt at the real names, not the links (stable, testing, etc.) |
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| 14:06.04 | asg | gaasfet: unless you haven't upgraded in a month or so |
| 14:06.17 | goron | What's the best file(next to log.smbd) to check whether samba actually received the file I want to be printed? |
| 14:06.17 | gaasfet | mm |
| 14:06.19 | jetx | i compiled gnome once, that was fun :) |
| 14:06.20 | gaasfet | i have |
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| 14:06.36 | liable | sarge is now stable, what used to be stable is now sarge, testing is now etch, which used to be sarge , and sid is unstable which was unstable, and .... |
| 14:06.39 | liable | :P |
| 14:06.40 | jetx | the neat part was i finally got it right |
| 14:06.43 | POVaddct | jetx: gentoonians do this all day :) |
| 14:06.50 | coywolf | what process listening on 111/tcp open rpcbind ? |
| 14:06.57 | asg | coywolf: the portmapper |
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| 14:07.02 | initech | coywolf: portmap |
| 14:07.08 | gaasfet | liable: what a triangle drama |
| 14:07.08 | jetx | took way to long for me to wanna run gentoo all the time |
| 14:07.22 | initech | !fuck gentoo |
| 14:07.23 | coywolf | initech, what is portmap for? asg |
| 14:07.29 | simonrvn | !portmap |
| 14:07.30 | dpkg | methinks portmap is for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 14:07.30 | asg | coywolf: RPC |
| 14:07.33 | POVaddct | jetx: that's why i use debian :) |
| 14:07.34 | jetx | not that i do. tried once, in the beginning... chose debian instead. |
| 14:07.36 | liable | but no cumming? |
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| 14:07.47 | initech | coywolf: for lettting remote machines know what ports rpc services are running on |
| 14:08.17 | coywolf | !fuck debian |
| 14:08.29 | coywolf | !fuck himself |
| 14:08.38 | jetx | just kick him |
| 14:08.40 | liable | coywolf: stop it. |
| 14:08.42 | gaasfet | !fuck debian |
| 14:08.43 | jetx | why waste time |
| 14:08.44 | coywolf | ok |
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| 14:08.52 | liable | !botabuse |
| 14:08.53 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 14:09.25 | gaasfet | soo bad |
| 14:09.34 | jetx | too sad |
| 14:10.04 | gaasfet | !botabuse |
| 14:10.04 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 14:11.06 | jetx | woooo a showstopper |
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| 14:12.35 | ignacio_ | alguin sabe la el canal en españolde ubustis |
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| 14:12.46 | liable | !es |
| 14:12.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:12.58 | dimbit | a bit off-topic I know, but as it's a bit quiet... who's a good broadband provider in the uk with 1month min contract and no download limits? |
| 14:14.01 | kimo | dimbit: & allows torrents :) |
| 14:14.11 | magyar | how doe debian play with the new pentium D chips? |
| 14:14.24 | dimbit | heh, well, not to fussy about torrents as logn as there's irc |
| 14:14.45 | dimbit | bulldog have started p***ing me off |
| 14:14.54 | liable | magyar: whats pentium D |
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| 14:15.02 | Laibsch | Hi, anybody know a way to get apt-get update download more than one file at a time from a single source? apt-get will download in parallel from several sources. I have a local apt-proxy (which should speed things up) so apt-get only connects to one source which slows things down since the fetches are not executed in parallel. |
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| 14:15.12 | xst | I have upgraded my debian and now all gstreamer app's sounds wierd: It sounds like an echo-effect is added to the sound (a song is played double/tribble on top of each other with half a second apart). Has anyone experienced similar problems? |
| 14:15.23 | magyar | liable: intel's new dual core CPU's |
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| 14:16.10 | liable | magyar: oh. imagine its a kernel thing anyway.. |
| 14:16.58 | xst | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.09 | magyar | liable: i got rid of my system and need to get a new one, dont know what to get AMD or Intel |
| 14:17.18 | liable | !repeat |
| 14:17.19 | dpkg | it has been said that repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 14:17.34 | jetx | man i need yet another hd, one more dying :( |
| 14:17.41 | baserose | hi all... do you know why the new versions off xutils, x-etc remove the gnome package |
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| 14:17.49 | jetx | i have only old hd's :( |
| 14:18.10 | freedom101 | if i change my motherboard do i have to reinstall linux? |
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| 14:18.16 | asg | baserose: it's due to x.org coming into sarge. |
| 14:18.24 | asg | freedom101: generally not |
| 14:18.29 | freedom101 | ok |
| 14:18.34 | xst | liable: Ooops, sorry - wrong channel. :-) |
| 14:18.38 | baserose | asg: so I can't update yet.. right |
| 14:18.49 | liable | freedom101: nah, if you have a debian-image, should be ok. |
| 14:18.59 | asg | baserose: I'd wait a bit, or check the bts to see if solutions to the problem exist. |
| 14:19.23 | freedom101 | ok and grub will survive too? |
| 14:19.33 | asg | freedom101: yes, it lives on the hard drive. |
| 14:19.40 | liable | xst: ? |
| 14:19.51 | asg | freedom101: just make sure your new motherboard is supported by the kernel version your are running. |
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| 14:20.00 | freedom101 | ok |
| 14:20.08 | dimbit | maygar: after reading this I'd say go AMD : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24638 |
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| 14:20.37 | baserose | asg: bts .... |
| 14:20.40 | asg | !bts |
| 14:20.41 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:20.52 | baserose | asg: sorry.. my kb does no have the question mark |
| 14:21.07 | liable | what is a good new mb anyway? sugestions. |
| 14:21.34 | Pego | anyone have a good how to for install debian with evms ? |
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| 14:22.48 | baserose | asg: what is bts |
| 14:22.55 | asg | baserose: you might also ask the #debian-kde folks |
| 14:23.02 | asg | !tell baserose about bts |
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| 14:23.59 | freedom101 | ok now the hard drive is install but grub stop to "grub loading please wait" ... do you have a idea of what i can do? |
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| 14:24.13 | absence | should mem=nopentium be used for k7 with kernel 2.6? |
| 14:24.14 | asg | baserose: disregard that last bit about #debian-kde |
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| 14:27.43 | Kizmet | .msg nickserv identify bomgle |
| 14:27.47 | Kizmet | shit |
| 14:27.48 | asg | freedom101: check your drive cables, bios settings. See if #grub has ideas. |
| 14:27.55 | asg | Kizmet: oops |
| 14:28.04 | liable | Kizmet: new password time eh? |
| 14:28.14 | freedom101 | ok |
| 14:28.17 | Kizmet | heh |
| 14:28.18 | Kizmet | :P |
| 14:28.24 | Kizmet | liable, yep, shit !! |
| 14:28.49 | liable | thats a funky password though. how did you get that one? |
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| 14:29.06 | Kizmet | liable, random pass generator on my site > http://www.kizmet.id.au |
| 14:29.38 | asg | Kizmet: you probably want it generating at least 8 or more characters with upper/lowercase and a mixture of numbers, letters, and punctuation. |
| 14:29.48 | liable | bah, thats boring.... was hoping for a silly youth nickname.. :P |
| 14:29.50 | Kizmet | asg, it will soon. |
| 14:30.09 | Kizmet | liable, refresh and it'll pick some more |
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| 14:30.58 | liable | Kizmet: no, I was thinking bomgle had a history.... |
| 14:31.18 | Kizmet | liable, wel lit sorta does actually. |
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| 14:31.32 | Kizmet | it was only by coincidence that the generator picked it out for me |
| 14:31.32 | Kizmet | . |
| 14:31.35 | liable | do tell.. :) |
| 14:32.07 | liable | only if its interesting.. :) |
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| 14:32.50 | Kizmet | i was given it by my old boss as the main root passwrod to the PPP server. well. we have since changed the pass etc etc and upgraded servers. but. i forgot it untill some time 6 months ago when the pass generator made it up for me. i was like 'omg that pass came up.' its a one in a million thing to happen to somebody. |
| 14:32.54 | kaiowa | what p2p program do you know i dont want mldonkey or emule, any interesting p2p app?? |
| 14:33.05 | FieldySnuts | !warez |
| 14:33.05 | dpkg | warez is probably what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 14:33.32 | liable | Kizmet: bah, thats boring as fuck :P |
| 14:33.57 | Kizmet | liable, stfu. |
| 14:34.06 | liable | heh, no :P |
| 14:34.29 | orchid | kaiowa: I use gtk-gnutella |
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| 14:35.02 | lkthomas | hey all |
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| 14:35.03 | lkthomas | is that possible to force proftpd to run passive mode on any connection ? |
| 14:35.25 | asg | lkthomas: did you ask #proftpd yet? |
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| 14:35.37 | lkthomas | asg: no one alive |
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| 14:36.23 | FieldySnuts | their mailing lists are a lot more active |
| 14:36.35 | lkthomas | FieldySnuts: hmm |
| 14:36.44 | FieldySnuts | and I have *never* seen anything said in #proftpd even once, it is eternally idle |
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| 14:36.48 | asg | !tell Angel-SL about away |
| 14:36.59 | liable | again... |
| 14:37.00 | lkthomas | yeah |
| 14:37.20 | FieldySnuts | stop that |
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| 14:37.44 | rbochan | blah |
| 14:37.49 | FieldySnuts | oh well it's a weekend, very small chance of getting anything enforced |
| 14:37.59 | asg | FieldySnuts: even worse, it auto-msgd me that it was away after I had the bot tell it. |
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| 14:38.47 | liable | its actually been a very quiet last day, I cant remember one ops call... |
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| 14:40.18 | schrankwand | Hi, how can I boot from a partition on a hadd on a raid-controller? grub can't find the hdd and partition, wich is specified in the root-option |
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| 14:41.32 | liable | schrankwand: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 14:42.50 | schrankwand | thanks |
| 14:43.00 | cplx | Can anyone suggest any utilities to monitor a particular users bandwidth like through a shell account or whatever? |
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| 14:43.15 | asg | cplx: lartc.org |
| 14:43.51 | cplx | asg: complex to setup? |
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| 14:44.11 | asg | cplx: it provides howtos and info on doing such things |
| 14:44.48 | like | would it solve my problem, if i prevent user running xkill or ctrl+alt+bckspace, then they could not close my app? |
| 14:45.11 | FieldySnuts | why would they be able to close YOUR app? |
| 14:45.27 | TheAsp | how do you plan to prevent them from running xkill? |
| 14:45.44 | Angel-SL | sry abt that away |
| 14:45.56 | POVaddct | like: if they can run a xterm or something, the can kill your app |
| 14:45.56 | Angel-SL | just that my away system always does that |
| 14:46.01 | like | TheAsp, if i chmod go-x xkill |
| 14:46.02 | FieldySnuts | people doing things on my system that they aren't supposed to get their home directories backed up, their accounts and home dirs deleted, kiss my ass |
| 14:46.11 | like | the app is run as root |
| 14:46.17 | FieldySnuts | my question is why can a different user kill someone elses apps. |
| 14:46.19 | TheAsp | like: cp /usr/bin/X11/xkill ./;chmod +x ./xkill; ./xkill |
| 14:46.29 | asg | FieldySnuts: is that part of your user policy statement? :) |
| 14:46.30 | FieldySnuts | take suid/guid off it then |
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| 14:46.36 | shaiW | say, I was wondering |
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| 14:46.49 | shaiW | if it's possible to run a few sessions simultaniously |
| 14:46.56 | FieldySnuts | shaiW: define session |
| 14:46.58 | asg | shaiW: sessions of what? |
| 14:47.00 | shaiW | is it possible running sessions of two OSes in the same time? |
| 14:47.09 | asg | shaiW: vmware, uml, xen |
| 14:47.17 | TheAsp | like: if they know enough to run xkill, they know enough to get a working xkill binary |
| 14:47.18 | shaiW | Kthx |
| 14:47.22 | like | TheAsp, what about chmod go-rx xkill? |
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| 14:47.31 | like | i see |
| 14:47.52 | shaiW | asg - which one works the best iyo? |
| 14:48.07 | like | TheAsp, so what is the best way to do this? |
| 14:48.09 | FieldySnuts | which is why you mount their homes noexec,nosuid,nodev |
| 14:48.10 | jake1932 | i set my ip as static and when I restart networking (/etc/init.d/netwroking restart), it pulls the correct static address, but after about a day, the ip adress changes. any way to stop it from changing? |
| 14:48.13 | TheAsp | like: do what |
| 14:48.19 | FieldySnuts | and anywhere else they can write two (/tmp possibly /var/tmp) |
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| 14:48.35 | FieldySnuts | in short if you don't trust them, however, then don't have them on your system |
| 14:48.35 | asg | shaiW: well, uml is only for running linuxes inside linuxes, vmware can do more but is costly and non-free. Xen is getting there. It really depends on what you want. |
| 14:48.49 | shaiW | I want XP+Debian |
| 14:49.00 | asg | shaiW: then vmware is your only solution |
| 14:49.04 | TheAsp | shaiW: i want sharks with lasers |
| 14:49.10 | shaiW | and later, if possible, BSD |
| 14:49.13 | asg | I want acidy spit |
| 14:49.22 | shaiW | TheAsp, that's why I asked if it's even possible |
| 14:49.27 | shaiW | I want cold fusion |
| 14:49.31 | liable | jake1932: explain a bit more. |
| 14:49.42 | jake1932 | set the static addressin interfaces |
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| 14:49.51 | jake1932 | restarted networking |
| 14:49.53 | like | TheAsp, doing such thing, prevent user closing app run by root |
| 14:50.03 | jake1932 | pulled correct static address |
| 14:50.06 | shaiW | how about Xen? Can't it support XP+windows? |
| 14:50.10 | jake1932 | (192.168.1.45) |
| 14:50.14 | shaiW | and... can it support both Debian and BSD? |
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| 14:50.23 | rbochan | jake1932: if you install the etherconf package, you can let let debian handle things |
| 14:50.27 | jake1932 | then about a day after, the IP address changes |
| 14:50.30 | FieldySnuts | funny. xkill is not setuid / setguid on my system |
| 14:50.47 | jake1932 | etherconf? ok - i'll try that |
| 14:50.49 | FieldySnuts | chmod 755 xkill and then they will not be able to kill anything but their own processes |
| 14:50.57 | liable | jake1932: to what? |
| 14:51.13 | jake1932 | 192.168.1.38, .39 - no rnyme or reason |
| 14:51.21 | asg | shaiW: it can support debian and bsd, but not Windows |
| 14:51.22 | FieldySnuts | sounds like dhcp is getting used in some way |
| 14:51.25 | TheAsp | like: why would the user running the x client matter? |
| 14:51.29 | shaiW | thanks |
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| 14:51.34 | like | FieldySnuts, like TheAsp said, how about when the user copy binary xkill ? |
| 14:51.41 | doojin | what version of debian uses kernel 2.6? |
| 14:51.50 | TheAsp | like: you cant stop the server from closing clients |
| 14:51.50 | jake1932 | right - but dhcp is not set in interfaces |
| 14:51.55 | rbochan | doojin: any of them |
| 14:51.55 | stew | doojin: any |
| 14:51.57 | thingfish | doojin: sarge uses 2.6.8 |
| 14:51.57 | FieldySnuts | and like I already said, you set your mount options to their homes and any other place they can write appropriately (see above, not repeating) |
| 14:52.03 | doojin | sarge |
| 14:52.05 | TheAsp | like: and you cant stop the user from sending commands to the server |
| 14:52.11 | doojin | can I install sarge with netinstall cd? |
| 14:52.12 | FieldySnuts | if you actually have to worry about a user doing that, delete them. |
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| 14:52.18 | stew | doojin: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 14:52.26 | Jester | Hello, I'm trying to boot a new kernel I compiled (from kernel.org), but I'm getting this error "FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12.2/modules.dep" no such file..." although the file does exist (created after make modules_install). If I do not use the initrd image I created with mkinitrd, I get VFS: Cannot open root device "sda" etc. |
| 14:52.26 | Jester | Could anyone explain or direct me to a page on how to create the initrd image properly to boot a custom kernel (googled that a lot in vain) ? |
| 14:52.28 | doojin | I don't know if netinstall lets me choose |
| 14:52.49 | rbochan | doojin: hit F1 F2 F3 to see boot options of the installer |
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| 14:52.58 | TheAsp | FieldySnuts, like: doesn't matter if they can't executate on that machine: ssh -X somerealmachine xkill |
| 14:53.09 | doojin | ok |
| 14:53.11 | FieldySnuts | TheAsp: *plonk* |
| 14:53.13 | rbochan | Jester: therer's a howto at http://newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 14:53.15 | TheAsp | but then you could turn off ssh or ssh X11 forwarding |
| 14:53.20 | TheAsp | but this is a neverending battle |
| 14:53.21 | TheAsp | :) |
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| 14:54.08 | rbochan | you have one of those too eh? |
| 14:54.14 | TheAsp | heh, amen :) |
| 14:54.15 | FieldySnuts | yes, it tends to get large here |
| 14:54.21 | rbochan | so I"ve notiecd |
| 14:54.24 | rbochan | ack |
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| 14:54.32 | rbochan | en englis... so I've noticed |
| 14:54.32 | bluefox83 | you're in a help channel, get used to it |
| 14:54.32 | liable | @anooy FieldySnuts |
| 14:54.39 | liable | gah |
| 14:54.44 | visik7 | how can I see if a bug listed by apt-bugs has been fixed ? |
| 14:54.48 | useruser | !annoy liable |
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| 14:54.50 | visik7 | listed some times ago |
| 14:54.54 | useruser | hm |
| 14:54.54 | rbochan | bluefox83: I know, just some don't even try to get a clue |
| 14:54.55 | stew | visik7: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:54.56 | FieldySnuts | @annoy liable |
| 14:54.57 | ravenbird | liable: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 14:55.10 | bluefox83 | rbochan, if they weren't trying they wouldn't be here asking |
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| 14:55.31 | liable | hehe, didnt take long :) |
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| 14:55.42 | Jester | rbochan, thx for replay. Is it essential to make it the debian way (make-kpkg) to boot properly ? |
| 14:55.49 | Jester | rbochan, reply* |
| 14:56.08 | rbochan | Jester: no, but if you do it that way, you can handle the kernel via dpkg |
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| 14:56.11 | dvs | Jester: No, but it's the best way! |
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| 14:56.26 | liable | Jester: no, you just need to know wtf you are doing. Why are you compiling? |
| 14:56.32 | rbochan | Jester: and because of that, it's a bit easier to track changes and updates |
| 14:56.42 | bonez39 | is Firefox 1.0.5 update available in woody? or just unstable/sarge/et al for now? |
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| 14:56.55 | bluefox83 | compiling a kernel requires too much effort for my liking... |
| 14:57.02 | stew | bonez39: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 14:57.04 | Phated | sarge isn't unstable. |
| 14:57.06 | liable | bah |
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| 14:57.08 | drac | bonez39: woody is obsolote / oldstable / no more any anything. |
| 14:57.10 | useruser | bonez39: it won't go into woody |
| 14:57.15 | Phated | Nor sarge. |
| 14:57.16 | Jester | liable, need a more recent kernel to support my network card |
| 14:57.27 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 14:57.30 | bonez39 | drac: ah, is that what I read about sarge? that's the new standard for debian? |
| 14:57.41 | liable | Jester: get a kernel image from testing then |
| 14:57.42 | FieldySnuts | !living under a rock |
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| 14:57.54 | Jester | liable, even the image from unstable is too old |
| 14:57.55 | dvs | bonez39: It's the latest stable release, yes |
| 14:57.56 | bluefox83 | Jester, 2.6.10 should work.. |
| 14:58.03 | drac | bonez39: Sarge is stable, and only has security updates. No new firefox. |
| 14:58.12 | stew | bonez39: firefox 1.0.5 will never be in debian stable |
| 14:58.14 | liable | Jester: what card? |
| 14:58.33 | FieldySnuts | 1.0.5 is also a security update, it better |
| 14:58.48 | Jester | liable, nforce3 gigabit (been merged in the kernel in 2.6.10) |
| 14:58.56 | asg | FieldySnuts: they will backport the fixes unless that is too difficult |
| 14:58.56 | bonez39 | drac: ok, how about this then..I have run apt-get update over the past three weeks and it doesn't update or upgrade anything...I have a mixed back sort of sources.list but I ##'d out all the unstable lines..and still nothing upgrades..or even updates |
| 14:59.18 | Phated | Hm, you're right. It should get into sarge, then. |
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| 14:59.35 | FieldySnuts | with our security team issues though, not planning on it |
| 14:59.43 | FieldySnuts | i haven't heard any more news on that, anyone? |
| 14:59.44 | stew | or they will backport the security updates into 1.0.4 |
| 14:59.50 | asg | FieldySnuts: the issues are worked out |
| 14:59.56 | FieldySnuts | that was fast |
| 14:59.58 | useruser | bonez39: do you have a security.debian.org line? |
| 15:00.00 | liable | Jester: get the sid 2.6.11 then... |
| 15:00.00 | Phated | Prolly easier to just bring it up to 1.0.5. |
| 15:00.11 | dvs | liable: I think he has woody |
| 15:00.13 | FieldySnuts | Phated: yep. but we all know they like doing things the hard way |
| 15:00.24 | bonez39 | useruser: no, should i have one? |
| 15:00.26 | Phated | Clearly. |
| 15:00.32 | dvs | bonez39: Yup |
| 15:00.39 | dvs | bonez39: If you're running stable |
| 15:00.40 | useruser | bonez39: when i last ran stable, that's where the security updates came from |
| 15:00.50 | stew | bonez39: /msg dpkg security ; you should think about moving from woody to sarge /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:01.14 | liable | Jester: are you running sarge? |
| 15:01.15 | dvs | How much longer will Woody be supported? |
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| 15:01.21 | jake1932 | rbochan - what's the cmand to rerun etherconf? it automatically the first time |
| 15:01.23 | bonez39 | stew: my linux installation here is a mixed bag....woody, sid, sarge, unstable....the works... |
| 15:01.28 | asg | dvs: summer 2006 |
| 15:01.39 | stew | bonez39: thats a pretty bad idea |
| 15:01.41 | dvs | asg: A year? That's good! |
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| 15:01.46 | rbochan | jake1932: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
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| 15:01.55 | asg | dvs: however, if etch goes stable first, woody support will end at that time. |
| 15:01.55 | jake1932 | ok - tnx |
| 15:02.00 | liable | bonez39: thats a recipe for disaster |
| 15:02.00 | bluefox83 | so is sarge the new stable release? |
| 15:02.08 | asg | bluefox83: yes |
| 15:02.08 | rbochan | jake1932 : clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 15:02.12 | bluefox83 | k |
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| 15:02.15 | asg | bluefox83: it's been in the /topic for a month or so now |
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| 15:02.15 | dvs | asg: You're funny. You should be a comedian. ;-) |
| 15:02.22 | jake1932 | thank you - i'll check it out |
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| 15:02.42 | bluefox83 | asg, yeah...i don't pay much attention to it..i'm not here often anyways |
| 15:02.49 | Atula | what's a good super intendo game emulator? |
| 15:02.53 | asg | dvs: stranger things have happened |
| 15:03.11 | lord_rob | Atula: snes9x or zsnes |
| 15:03.15 | bonez39 | stew: bad idea, bad cooking....bad recipe...ok...so I am not the smartest person to run debian...how do I get out of the mess? |
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| 15:03.18 | Atula | thanks |
| 15:03.22 | stew | bonez39: reinstall |
| 15:03.24 | bluefox83 | Atula, why not just get a super nintendo? you can probably buy one for like..20 bucks at any pawn shop.. |
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| 15:03.29 | Jester | liable, yes |
| 15:03.36 | stew | bonez39: you can't downgrade |
| 15:03.44 | Atula | bluefox83: I have the thing... I just want to play some old games... japanese |
| 15:03.47 | bonez39 | stew: reinstall? format and reinstall linux? |
| 15:03.52 | stew | bonez39: yes |
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| 15:03.59 | Phated | Or just go to sid. |
| 15:04.00 | liable | Jester: just download the 2.6.11.deb from sid |
| 15:04.04 | Jester | liable, the problem is the latest image available for amd64 (yeh dont point me to #debian-amd64 is 2.6.8) |
| 15:04.08 | bluefox83 | i think they need to add "apt-get downgrade' as a command in apt..that would make life a lot easier.. |
| 15:04.10 | bonez39 | stew: and then..once I have reinstalled...what is your suggestion for setting up a system? |
| 15:04.20 | Jester | liable, is it the source ? |
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| 15:04.45 | stew | bonez39: stick to stable if its a server or testing if its a desktop / don't mix distributions |
| 15:04.49 | Atula | lord_rob: hey, it's not a debian package is it? |
| 15:04.52 | liable | Jester: you can get the source sure.. |
| 15:05.06 | Atula | lord_rob: I see this snes9express, is that the package? |
| 15:05.17 | bonez39 | stew: and if I need a certain package..that's not in the stable packages available....then what? |
| 15:05.17 | liable | Jester: 64? |
| 15:05.26 | stew | bonez39: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:05.31 | Jester | liable, yeah |
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| 15:06.28 | liable | Jester: anyway, you running in 64? |
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| 15:07.05 | Jester | liable, yup, ok cool found it |
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| 15:08.45 | lord_rob | Atula: contrib or non-free |
| 15:08.58 | Jester | liable, ok I'll try to install the debian way with kernel-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-7_all.deb hehe |
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| 15:09.07 | rommer | is debian 3.1 stable? |
| 15:09.13 | Jester | yeah |
| 15:09.17 | rommer | ok |
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| 15:09.22 | visik7 | someone can ask it another time ? |
| 15:09.22 | lord_rob | Atula: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=zsnes |
| 15:09.29 | liable | Jester: erm, you will still need to compile it... |
| 15:09.36 | dvs | is debian.... nevermind |
| 15:09.37 | Esaj | how do I stop postgresql from automatically putting itself in the startup scripts whenever I upgrade the package? |
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| 15:09.56 | Esaj | I always have to run update-rc.d -f ... remove |
| 15:10.20 | afabian | Esaj, it may (don't know off othe top of my head) have a toggle in /etc/defaults. |
| 15:10.39 | afabian | Otherwise, replace the etc/init.d with a custom script that does nothing. Debian won't touch your file. |
| 15:11.03 | pureone | or use rcconf to turn it off |
| 15:11.04 | liable | Esaj: hmm, dunno, maybe sysvconfig might stop it. |
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| 15:11.43 | Esaj | thanks, I'll try all of those :) |
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| 15:12.10 | Pego | hi |
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| 15:12.17 | Pego | no way to install debian with evms ? |
| 15:12.23 | Pego | i mean with the installer |
| 15:12.40 | bghfhfg | An error was returned while I was trying to compile generic_serial.c in the Debian 2.6.11 kernel using GCC 4.0.1, but it scrolls off-screen so I can't see what it is. |
| 15:13.09 | liable | bghfhfg: bugger.. |
| 15:13.21 | cahoot | bghfhfg: might want to read the kernel docs about recommended compiler |
| 15:13.37 | dvs | bghfhfg: try 2.6.12.3 |
| 15:13.58 | liable | gah, 2.95 wrong |
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| 15:15.02 | useruser | if I install stuff using aptitude, will apt-listbugs still kick in and tell me what's going to go wrong? |
| 15:15.13 | liable | yes |
| 15:15.15 | useruser | good |
| 15:15.20 | AngelsDemon | could someone help me configure X (or at least point me in the right direction)... it keeps saying "no screens found" |
| 15:15.36 | suppaman | xf86cfg |
| 15:15.37 | resiak | !no screens found |
| 15:15.37 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 15:15.51 | schrankwand | do somebody know wich library declares the function io_request_lock? |
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| 15:16.00 | kzimmm | hi |
| 15:16.01 | resiak | schrankwand: Google probably does. |
| 15:16.10 | suppaman | AngelsDemon: try xf86cfg or xf86config |
| 15:16.19 | liable | AngelsDemon: install x-window-system-core |
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| 15:16.57 | Garrison | anyone know how I can compile a .c into a linux binary? |
| 15:17.00 | AngelsDemon | (EE) No devices found |
| 15:17.18 | kzimmm | hi anyone have an easyway to instann debian with evms ? |
| 15:17.18 | suppaman | Garrison: try gcc |
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| 15:17.34 | dvs | !find evms sarge |
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| 15:17.35 | liable | !evms |
| 15:17.35 | AngelsDemon | It's a new laptop.... and has an ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M |
| 15:17.35 | dpkg | it has been said that evms is Enterprise Volume Management System, http://evms.sf.net/ |
| 15:17.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'evms' (4 of 9): (/etc/evms.conf, /etc/init.d/evms, /etc/modutils/evms) in admin/evms ;; (/sbin/evms, /usr/share/bug/evms-cli, /usr/share/doc/evms-cli) in admin/evms-cli ;; (/usr/sbin/evmsgui, /usr/lib/menu/evms-gui, /usr/share/bug/evms-gui) in admin/evms-gui ;; (/sbin/evmsn, /usr/share/bug/evms-ncurses, /usr/share/doc/evms-ncurses) in admin/evms-ncurses. |
| 15:18.00 | useruser | Garrison: you might try grep cc file.c to see iff there's a compile command in the file (often the case if there's a single source file IME) |
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| 15:18.15 | dvs | kzimmm: It's in sarge |
| 15:18.21 | Pego | dvs i know :/ |
| 15:18.21 | supraveil | hello |
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| 15:18.36 | Pego | pego = kazim |
| 15:18.37 | liable | !hi supraveil |
| 15:18.38 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai supraveil! |
| 15:18.53 | Pego | dvs: i know but i m look for tips to install debian on evms and boot with grub |
| 15:18.57 | supraveil | i have debian installed on my xbox |
| 15:19.03 | supraveil | the problem is |
| 15:19.08 | UnWorldly | sweet |
| 15:19.10 | resiak | !tell supraveil -about enter |
| 15:19.13 | resiak | !xebian |
| 15:19.13 | supraveil | its a very basic install |
| 15:19.13 | dpkg | somebody said xebian was http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian. See #xbox-linux on oftc.net. XEBIAN IS NOT DEBIAN! |
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| 15:19.43 | supraveil | well it is similar i think |
| 15:19.47 | resiak | !based on |
| 15:19.48 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
| 15:19.49 | resiak | !based on debion |
| 15:19.51 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 15:19.51 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 15:20.19 | UnWorldly | awww |
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| 15:20.28 | supraveil | yes it installed only apt-get and the terminal |
| 15:20.30 | liable | !aww |
| 15:20.31 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 15:20.41 | supraveil | i need to know what packages i need to make it run a desktop |
| 15:21.03 | UnWorldly | crikey, is there a bang command for everything? |
| 15:21.07 | dvs | supraveil: An X Window desktop? |
| 15:21.20 | afabian | !bang for everything |
| 15:21.26 | stew | !everything |
| 15:21.27 | resiak | UnWorldly: Pretty much. dpkg is a bot -- anyone can add stuff to him. |
| 15:21.27 | liable | UnWorldly: pretty much... |
| 15:21.30 | afabian | guess not. ;-D |
| 15:21.32 | supraveil | i use windows so i have little knowledge |
| 15:21.38 | FieldySnuts | supraveil: it's not pure debian, therefore you're asking in the wrong channel. |
| 15:21.45 | supraveil | the fastest one |
| 15:21.46 | TheAsp | !bang for everything is bangbangbang |
| 15:21.46 | dpkg | okay, TheAsp |
| 15:21.47 | dvs | !install kde |
| 15:21.47 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 15:21.53 | TheAsp | !bang for everything |
| 15:21.53 | dpkg | bang for everything is probably bangbangbang |
| 15:21.53 | Garrison | useruser; perlcc -c program.pl |
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| 15:22.03 | Garrison | useruser: it started out as a .pl |
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| 15:22.11 | supraveil | yes i did that but it still boots into terminal |
| 15:22.14 | FieldySnuts | course that won't stop people from supporting non-debian users, anyway, shrug (why do i bother) |
| 15:22.18 | migma | !n00b |
| 15:22.18 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 15:22.21 | FieldySnuts | and we wonder why they come here. |
| 15:22.22 | dvs | !dm |
| 15:22.22 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 15:22.23 | UnWorldly | yeah, the kids in here are kinda mean like that, any slight devietion from vanilla debian and they want to send you elsewhere |
| 15:22.29 | supraveil | is there any file i should edit to make it run all this at start up |
| 15:22.33 | UnWorldly | yikes i cant spell today |
| 15:22.33 | dvs | !install dm |
| 15:22.34 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Tell me when it's not the weekend any more. |
| 15:22.39 | rommer | !nodm |
| 15:22.39 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 15:22.41 | FieldySnuts | UnWorldly: *mean*? they are not debian so this is the wrong place, dickweed. |
| 15:22.42 | puetzk | UnWorldly: nah, the kids are pretty tolerant |
| 15:22.44 | FieldySnuts | fuck it. |
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| 15:22.51 | puetzk | it's the grizzled old gurus that chase you out :-) |
| 15:22.57 | cplx | is there anyway to enable colours with dancer-ircd ? |
| 15:23.12 | resiak | cplx: Why not, erm, ask the dancer-ircd people? |
| 15:23.15 | dvs | supraveil: apt-get install gdm |
| 15:23.20 | cplx | resiak: where? |
| 15:23.28 | resiak | cplx: Or read its docs? |
| 15:23.31 | supraveil | installed kdm gonna try it out |
| 15:23.32 | vipersniper | supraveil, whats the problem |
| 15:23.36 | supraveil | brb |
| 15:23.42 | rommer | im having trouble installing debian onto an old computer, it locks up at a blue screen just after choosing your country then language... i have tried the net install 3.0 and 3.1 i386 |
| 15:23.45 | resiak | cplx: apt-get install dancer-ircd-doc |
| 15:24.09 | pureone | rommer try with differnt boot options |
| 15:24.21 | rommer | ok |
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| 15:24.31 | resiak | cplx: And how am I supposed to know how to contact its authors? I don't use it, and have exactly the same access to /usr/share/doc/dancer-ircd as do you. |
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| 15:26.09 | supraveil | i installed kdm but still boots into a terminal |
| 15:26.10 | UnWorldly | where does one go for support for a tainted version of deb |
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| 15:26.23 | UnWorldly | I mean, so many people like to run things a bit differently |
| 15:26.32 | UnWorldly | but cannot find any help in here for that |
| 15:27.20 | cyzie | hello all, when i tried to start kde, it complaint "cannot connect to the x server" what's wrong? any idea |
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| 15:27.30 | UnWorldly | My laptop uses lotsa non standard apt sources, so that I can run things that dont necessarily fint into stable |
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| 15:27.58 | UnWorldly | not that it is having any problems at the moment, but I would just like to know where to go |
| 15:27.58 | drac | cyzie: How did you try to start it? |
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| 15:28.06 | resiak | cyzie: Install an X server? |
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| 15:28.20 | cyzie | drac, startkde |
| 15:28.23 | liable | UnWorldly: um, so how do we know what the problem is? |
| 15:28.33 | cyzie | resiak, install a X server. what do u mean? |
| 15:28.40 | resiak | !faq cyzie |
| 15:28.41 | dpkg | cyzie: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:29.02 | liable | cyzie: install kdm |
| 15:29.04 | UnWorldly | im asking is anyone knows of a channel where kids with non vanilla debian packages installed can get some help\ |
| 15:29.12 | UnWorldly | because this clearly isnt the right place |
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| 15:29.19 | resiak | UnWorldly: Here, unless it's those packages that break. |
| 15:29.26 | Ronin | UnWorldly: #linux or your version of debians channel perhaps |
| 15:29.55 | cyzie | liable, thanks :) let me try |
| 15:30.05 | UnWorldly | my particular system, has some packages lifted from ubuntoo, some from etch, most everything else from stable |
| 15:30.17 | resiak | UnWorldly: For instance, I have some unofficial E17 sources. If those break, I wouldn't ask here. |
| 15:30.19 | UnWorldly | but whenever something goes wrong |
| 15:30.25 | liable | gah |
| 15:30.29 | UnWorldly | ppl refuse to help |
| 15:30.29 | puetzk | well, the basica answer is "don't do that" |
| 15:30.33 | resiak | !tell UnWorldly -about enter. |
| 15:30.33 | FromTO | I have a problem with upgrading hal and pmount. It has some unmet dependencies concerning udev. But when I try to upgrade udev it gives me a message that errors were encountered when processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.062-4_i386.deb |
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| 15:30.41 | resiak | FromTO: Are you running Sid? |
| 15:30.42 | UnWorldly | so where is a better place to go then? |
| 15:30.48 | FromTO | resiak: yes |
| 15:30.50 | resiak | !btssmite FromTO |
| 15:30.54 | puetzk | that's not a debian with non-standard apt sources, it's just your own hybrid :-P |
| 15:30.56 | rbochan | so.. you're running sources from add places.. and you aren't prepared to deal with the consequences? |
| 15:31.03 | puetzk | start a support channel for it if you like :_) |
| 15:31.07 | resiak | UnWorldly: What are you using from Ubuntu? |
| 15:31.11 | UnWorldly | xorg |
| 15:31.13 | rbochan | why would you ask for mandrake help in a redhat channel? |
| 15:31.16 | puetzk | that's in sid now |
| 15:31.21 | resiak | UnWorldly: So IOW if X.org breaks don't ask here. |
| 15:31.31 | supraveil | i have everything i think i need installed but it always boots to terminal |
| 15:31.33 | UnWorldly | yeah, where would be a better place to ask |
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| 15:31.48 | rommer | is there a webpage with the debian boot options on it |
| 15:31.53 | liable | UnWorldly: dude, stick to one distro, how can anyone help when you have such a mixed bunch? |
| 15:32.01 | rbochan | go to the source of the package |
| 15:32.01 | pureone | rommer it should be on the cd |
| 15:32.05 | useruser | I just upgraded to X.org - it just gives me a white screen :( |
| 15:32.10 | UnWorldly | well one distro doesnt do everything I want |
| 15:32.18 | UnWorldly | so I have a mix |
| 15:32.30 | rbochan | then you should be prepared to deal with it |
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| 15:32.33 | useruser | I can't use ctrl-alt-fn to change VT either, just ctrl-alt-backspace works to kill it |
| 15:32.34 | liable | useruser: welcome to sid.. |
| 15:32.39 | resiak | UnWorldly: Oh, there are X.org debs backported to stable somewhere. Well, since they're from Ubuntu, what about #ubuntu? But basically that's a pretty stupid mix, and you'll be lucky to get support for X. |
| 15:32.55 | liable | UnWorldly: and a clusterfuck... |
| 15:32.56 | rbochan | useruser: there's a thread on the debian-user mailing list about the VT issue, you might check there about it |
| 15:33.17 | UnWorldly | I know there are alot of other ppl running something similar to what ive got |
| 15:33.21 | afabian | XFree 4.3.0 has refused to magically stop working in right of recent X releases. Amazing. |
| 15:33.27 | useruser | rbochan: anything about white screens? |
| 15:33.28 | UnWorldly | just wondering where they are hiding |
| 15:33.36 | dvs | supraveil: Then install gdm |
| 15:33.37 | afabian | right = light |
| 15:33.38 | rbochan | useruser: I wasn't following uit too closely, so I can't say |
| 15:33.45 | resiak | UnWorldly: I'd recommend just using Etch and hanging on a few weeks until X.org hits Etch. |
| 15:33.54 | dvs | afabian: it might |
| 15:34.05 | omry | if there's some command line utility to get the country a specific ip belongs to? |
| 15:34.09 | nerdy2 | UnWorldly: why not just run ubuntu? |
| 15:34.18 | cyzie | liable, still having the same problem. kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server. i arleady apt-get install kdm |
| 15:34.20 | liable | omry: whois |
| 15:34.22 | UnWorldly | because I only take 1 thing from it |
| 15:34.22 | cyzie | it doesnt work :| |
| 15:34.26 | UnWorldly | I dont want all of it |
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| 15:35.02 | liable | cyzie: as root, /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 15:35.02 | nerdy2 | then why not sid? :) |
| 15:35.09 | omry | liable, thanks. |
| 15:35.10 | suppaman | now the wheel wheels |
| 15:35.15 | nerdy2 | (actually atm, why not sid is a stupid q, but in a bit) |
| 15:35.28 | UnWorldly | heh |
| 15:35.50 | cyzie | liable, thanks let me try |
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| 15:37.18 | useruser | when I upgraded to X.org, I was given the choice of whether to use X.org or xfree86. How can I choose again? |
| 15:37.48 | rbochan | useruser: install one or the other and it'll ask again |
| 15:37.51 | liable | useruser: you wernet, xorg removes xfree.... |
| 15:37.58 | supraveil | will running /etc/init.d/kdm start automatically make it run on every boot? |
| 15:38.15 | stew | supraveil: no, man update-rc.d |
| 15:38.18 | drac | supraveil: dpkg-reconfigure kdm to make sure. |
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| 15:38.40 | useruser | liable: ah |
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| 15:38.51 | zyv | hi everyone !!! |
| 15:38.59 | rbochan | Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 15:39.10 | zyv | ;P |
| 15:39.12 | liable | hi everbody... |
| 15:39.18 | dvs | rbochan: No, thats "Hi everybody" |
| 15:39.26 | rbochan | correct! |
| 15:39.27 | zyv | can i make a question ?! |
| 15:39.31 | liable | no |
| 15:39.42 | dvs | zyv: Sorry, you're now over your quota |
| 15:39.46 | zyv | you're truly ;P |
| 15:39.46 | resiak | !tell zyv -about ask |
| 15:39.56 | zyv | i've a problem with my mouses on my laptop: I've a ps2 mouse and a touchpad. The touchpad mouse works ! but when i try to use the ps2 i get this on stdout: psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
| 15:39.59 | zyv | what happen ? |
| 15:40.31 | dvs | zyv: What does your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 say? |
| 15:40.33 | suppaman | maybe touchpad lost sync |
| 15:40.37 | zyv | i doesnt happen on linux 2.4.x but happens in my brand new compiled 2.6.x |
| 15:40.45 | resiak | !works in 2.4 |
| 15:40.45 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 15:40.48 | liable | ah |
| 15:40.51 | zyv | so ... what's the difference ? |
| 15:40.54 | resiak | zyv: Why are you compiling your own. |
| 15:41.05 | zyv | i always try to do it |
| 15:41.10 | zyv | make me learn |
| 15:41.26 | rommer | im trying to install debian to an old pentium 2, it crashes after selecting a language, im not what boot options to supply the installer with.. are there any specific ones needed to install to old p2's? |
| 15:42.02 | liable | rommer: try expert |
| 15:42.05 | supraveil | can sum1 point towards how to use the update-rc.d to make it run kdm on boot |
| 15:42.08 | dvs | rommer: I'd try the 2.6 kernel for starters "linux26" |
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| 15:42.14 | zyv | so .. resiak: you know something about ? |
| 15:42.27 | dvs | supraveil: man update-rc.d |
| 15:42.31 | rommer | ok |
| 15:42.45 | liable | supraveil: no, you dont need to touch update-rc.d |
| 15:42.49 | suppaman | rommer: I'm on a pII 450 |
| 15:43.01 | cyzie | liable, it dditn stop |
| 15:43.15 | rommer | suppaman: yea, did you have to give it any special boot options? |
| 15:43.17 | suppaman | rommer: what installer are you using ? |
| 15:43.42 | liable | supraveil: update-alternatives --config kdm |
| 15:43.49 | liable | cyzie: it what? |
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| 15:44.06 | resiak | zyv: No, I haven't a bloody clue. Does it work with Debian 2.6 kernel-images? |
| 15:44.08 | cyzie | /etc/init.d/kdm start wont work. i did it using root |
| 15:44.09 | supraveil | no alternatives for kdm |
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| 15:44.13 | rommer | 3.1r0a (i think) netinstall |
| 15:44.25 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 15:44.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:44.31 | zyv | dont know resiak .. let's try |
| 15:44.49 | liable | cyzie: what does it do? |
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| 15:45.33 | zophyx | your mother gives me money |
| 15:45.44 | egg | ? |
| 15:45.45 | rommer | no luck with the linux26 |
| 15:45.49 | liable | cyzie: have you ever had x working? |
| 15:45.50 | cyzie | liable, dont understand your question. |
| 15:45.57 | cyzie | liable, nope |
| 15:46.04 | cyzie | liable, x not working on my laptop |
| 15:46.19 | liable | cyzie: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:46.29 | rbochan | cyzie: when it hangs, check the console message on the ctrl+alt+F2 (F#?) console |
| 15:46.29 | stew | cyzie: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log look for lines starting with EE |
| 15:46.40 | rbochan | er... |
| 15:46.41 | Chewie[] | Anyone feel like giving a Tcsh completion a try? complete ssh 'p#1#`grep -e \^Host\ \[\^\*\] < ~/.ssh/config | awk \{print\ \$2\}`#' |
| 15:46.47 | rbochan | rommer: when it hangs, check the console message on the ctrl+alt+F2 (F#?) console |
| 15:46.58 | rommer | ok |
| 15:47.00 | rbochan | it might give you a clue |
| 15:47.12 | UnWorldly | tclsh? |
| 15:47.35 | UnWorldly | I write tcl sripts all day at work, so sick of it |
| 15:47.52 | asg | !comfort UnWorldly |
| 15:47.53 | dpkg | There, there, UnWorldly. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:47.53 | Chewie[] | UnWorldly: Giggle. I have yet to touch Tcsh. Perl works for me. |
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| 15:48.14 | cyzie | stew, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown |
| 15:48.27 | cyzie | liable, i already done apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:48.42 | liable | cyzie: -core... |
| 15:48.47 | dvs | cyzie: search again |
| 15:48.51 | cyzie | rbochan, it didnt hang when i do kdm start or startkde . it just didnt show gui |
| 15:49.00 | resiak | liable: x-window-system depends on x-window-system-core |
| 15:49.04 | rbochan | cyzie: that was for rommer, sorry |
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| 15:49.41 | liable | resiak: yeah, well, I have installed sytem, and it didnt install core, even though its a depends.. |
| 15:49.46 | cyzie | liable, done apt get install x window system core |
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| 15:50.04 | cyzie | dvs , search what? |
| 15:50.17 | vipersniper | supraveil, did you edit the ~/.xinitrc and add "startkde" |
| 15:50.43 | dvs | cyzie: what stew said. Search that for the next instance |
| 15:51.00 | cyzie | (EE) yes |
| 15:51.01 | cyzie | searching |
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| 15:51.34 | UnWorldly | tcl scripting is tedious grunt work, nothing exciting happens |
| 15:51.36 | cyzie | (EE) xf86OpenSeial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device |
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| 15:51.45 | cyzie | (EE) configured mouse: cannot open input device |
| 15:51.53 | UnWorldly | it makes some web forms I guess |
| 15:51.58 | dvs | cyzie: Is that "file" there? |
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| 15:51.58 | cyzie | (EE) preinit failed for input device "configure mouse" |
| 15:52.18 | visik7 | how can I generate an hash for a password like the ones in the /etc/shadows ? |
| 15:52.19 | resiak | cyzie: modprobe mousedev |
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| 15:52.30 | cyzie | dvs, i dont understand your statement |
| 15:52.50 | dvs | cyzie: /exec -o ls -l /dev/input/mice |
| 15:52.59 | asg | visik7: md5 |
| 15:53.06 | cyzie | resiak, mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice.. <== i think it is wrong becuase im using the touchpad mouse |
| 15:53.14 | visik7 | asg md5sum ? |
| 15:53.20 | liable | cyzie: in your irc client |
| 15:53.28 | resiak | cyzie: Trust me on this one. Did you run `modprobe mousedev` ? |
| 15:53.37 | resiak | cyzie: Then try starting kdm again. |
| 15:53.40 | dvs | resiak: What do you know? ;-) |
| 15:54.06 | cyzie | resiak!!! wow it works!!! |
| 15:54.11 | rommer | rbochan: i cant get to the console when the blue screen appears |
| 15:54.11 | cyzie | thanks goes to everybody that help me |
| 15:54.12 | cyzie | :) |
| 15:54.18 | resiak | cyzie: I know. echo mousedev >>/etc/modules |
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| 15:54.31 | cyzie | resiak, one sec.. |
| 15:54.32 | cyzie | will do that |
| 15:54.33 | liable | cyzie: no ps/2 /devpsaux or /dev/input/mouse |
| 15:54.39 | resiak | cyzie: If you don't do that, you'll have to modprobe mousedev every time. |
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| 15:54.52 | resiak | dvs: You didn't believe me? :) |
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| 15:54.57 | asg | visik7: it won't produce /etc/shadow compatible md5 hashes but will work |
| 15:54.58 | dvs | liable: /dev/psaux is old fashioned |
| 15:55.00 | FieldySnuts | !win resiak |
| 15:55.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:55.07 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 15:55.08 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 15:55.16 | visik7 | asg I need /etc/shadow compatible hashes |
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| 15:55.20 | liable | dvs: bah, works on my not old fasioned thinkpad... |
| 15:55.41 | dvs | *gives |
| 15:55.41 | liable | bullshit. |
| 15:55.47 | resiak | !devinputmice is also Sometimes you need to `modprobe mousedev`. It doesn't always take care of itself. |
| 15:55.48 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
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| 15:56.14 | resiak | !devinputmice is also ;-) |
| 15:56.14 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 15:56.27 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite resiak |
| 15:56.28 | dpkg | resiak: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off! |
| 15:56.43 | resiak | :( |
| 15:56.48 | liable | !date FieldySnuts |
| 15:56.48 | resiak | !fruitsmite FieldySnuts |
| 15:56.58 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 15:57.19 | asg | visik7: http://www.virusexperts.com/xbi/programming/md5-crypt (should help) |
| 15:57.26 | cplx | anyone here have experience with bahamut IRCD? |
| 15:57.29 | visik7 | thanks |
| 15:57.33 | cyzie | dvs,dvs cyzie: /exec -o ls -l /dev/input/mic <== syntax is wrong |
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| 15:57.44 | liable | FieldySnuts: sorry, cant help dating you, seeing as you made it :P |
| 15:57.54 | dvs | cyzie: nevermind, it works now |
| 15:58.02 | dvs | and it "mice" not "mic" |
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| 15:58.47 | cyzie | dvs, exec -o invalid option |
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| 15:58.49 | cyzie | syntax is wrong |
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| 15:59.04 | dvs | cyzie: type that in your irc client |
| 15:59.09 | resiak | cyzie: What's your irc client, and why isn't it irssi ? |
| 15:59.21 | cyzie | dvs, i have a laptop and a desktop :P |
| 15:59.25 | FieldySnuts | do not do this: exec -o yes |
| 15:59.48 | visik7 | asg mmm |
| 15:59.52 | visik7 | doesn't match |
| 15:59.56 | who2 | any idea what might be the cause for /dev/input/mice mouse freezes with+without ACPI on an ICH5 board (ASUS P4C800 Deluxe)? |
| 16:00.04 | asg | visik7: that's probably due to the salt beind different |
| 16:00.15 | FieldySnuts | not supposed to match |
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| 16:00.29 | FieldySnuts | it's a one way hash |
| 16:00.36 | FieldySnuts | heh i said hash |
| 16:00.39 | cyzie | mm.. guys, the mouse touch pad is not working.. any idea? |
| 16:00.42 | asg | !mith FieldySnuts |
| 16:00.42 | dvs | who2: Nope. Works fine for me on my P4P800 Deluxe |
| 16:00.47 | FieldySnuts | ack |
| 16:00.50 | visik7 | FieldySnuts one way ok |
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| 16:01.00 | dvs | !SendCoreEvents |
| 16:01.00 | visik7 | but isn't it a function ? |
| 16:01.03 | rommer | is it possible that the debian doenst have drivers for my cd-rom drive? |
| 16:01.13 | FieldySnuts | no clue, i'm not special enough to know |
| 16:01.28 | rbochan | rommer: anything's possible, have you hit google to check? |
| 16:01.36 | visik7 | a biunique function |
| 16:01.38 | who2 | dvs: if I enable ACPI the mouse does not work at all, the same with -mm including latest acpi tree |
| 16:01.46 | who2 | dvs: do you have ACPI enabled? |
| 16:01.48 | simonrvn | woudln't be debian... be the kernel... |
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| 16:02.07 | simonrvn | wouldn't |
| 16:02.10 | dvs | who2: yup |
| 16:02.16 | rommer | rbochan: not sure what type it is, it is an old one that came with the computer, no companies labels on it ... |
| 16:02.16 | liable | um, do cd drives have specific drivers? |
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| 16:02.36 | Supaplex | if it's not atapi or scsi, it's very old! |
| 16:02.40 | simonrvn | liable: no. afaik |
| 16:02.51 | rbochan | rommer: you might also look for your motherboard's chipset |
| 16:02.56 | who2 | dvs: wann send me your xorg.conf and .config? |
| 16:03.02 | simonrvn | just generic cd-rom, and ide cd-rom |
| 16:03.03 | cplx | anyone here have experience with bahamut IRCD? |
| 16:03.13 | cyzie | guys, any idea how to make the touchpad mouse works on etch? |
| 16:03.18 | rommer | rbochan: the thing is though that i have installed ubuntu linux on it b4 |
| 16:03.18 | visik7 | the problem is: I've forgot my root password, I remember the last part but not the first 2 letters how can I get it ? |
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| 16:03.41 | liable | simonrvn: thats what I thought.. |
| 16:03.41 | visik7 | I don't want to try 625 possible combination |
| 16:03.51 | suppaman | visik7: ? |
| 16:03.51 | afabian | visik7, restart your machine singe-user and change the root password. |
| 16:03.52 | who2 | visik7: why not reset the password? |
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| 16:04.02 | suppaman | visik7: ciao |
| 16:04.14 | FieldySnuts | reboot, init=/bin/sh , vipw and turn the second feild into a blank ( :: ) |
| 16:04.16 | simonrvn | you still have to have the root password to login single |
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| 16:04.20 | visik7 | hi suppaman |
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| 16:04.27 | simonrvn | do that ^^^ |
| 16:04.46 | FieldySnuts | actually don't listen to me, i'm not sure if that's correct |
| 16:04.52 | visik7 | afabian I need to get the password 'couse is the same password of onther "thing" that is impossible to reset |
| 16:04.55 | visik7 | almost |
| 16:04.56 | simonrvn | no, that's right |
| 16:05.06 | who2 | visik7: just get another bootcd or whatever and as long as the box is not automatically connected to the NET set the passwords to empty by editing the file |
| 16:05.15 | simonrvn | !i forgot root's password |
| 16:05.15 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 16:05.26 | liable | single mode, can reset it innit? |
| 16:05.27 | visik7 | I know how to reset a password I don't want to reset it |
| 16:05.46 | paster | "dvs" at 206.248.136.46 pasted "My .config and XF86Config-4" (1838 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/370 |
| 16:06.06 | who2 | dvs: thx, I'll take a look |
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| 16:06.27 | Atz | some1 there? |
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| 16:06.32 | simonrvn | no |
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| 16:06.46 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: some1? |
| 16:06.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
| 16:06.47 | Atz | ok :) |
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| 16:07.04 | cyzie | resiak, after i reboot, i dont get the GUI again |
| 16:07.05 | Atz | 100Mb to download |
| 16:07.15 | dvs | Atz: DSL? |
| 16:07.22 | sepski | visik7, boot on bootcd, or with init=/bin/sh in bootloader, grab the hash from the shadow file. and run a cracker on it. it can try the ~600 passwords for you |
| 16:07.27 | Atz | yep |
| 16:07.35 | dvs | Atz: No problems |
| 16:07.39 | Atz | :) |
| 16:07.46 | FieldySnuts | there is no need to run a cracker, just edit /etc/shadow and remove the hash |
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| 16:07.50 | dvs | Atz: is it done yet? |
| 16:07.53 | FieldySnuts | then there will be no password for root |
| 16:08.07 | FieldySnuts | not this shit again. time for a bath. |
| 16:08.08 | Atz | done! |
| 16:08.11 | Atz | lol |
| 16:08.17 | who2 | dvs: I will take a look as soon as I'm in the office, the box is not here at home |
| 16:08.19 | Kerr | spliiit |
| 16:08.37 | FieldySnuts | place your bet, which will split next, i say brown |
| 16:08.37 | dvs | who2: I goofed it up a bit. I inserted my .config in the middle of the XF86Config-4 |
| 16:08.43 | Kizmet | bloody stealer.net lol |
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| 16:08.48 | visik7 | tell me the cracking tool |
| 16:08.55 | takatumi | right. |
| 16:08.56 | Atz | guys, im new here... dont make fun of me... :) |
| 16:08.58 | visik7 | I know jhn the ripper |
| 16:08.59 | visik7 | but |
| 16:09.05 | dvs | !pal Atz |
| 16:09.08 | visik7 | I dunno how to give to it a pice of password |
| 16:09.12 | FieldySnuts | visik7: geez what I am I doing, wasting my keystrokes? I just said what to do, you don't need one. but if you want to do it the hard way, have fun. |
| 16:09.15 | asg | visik7: do you remember if the first two characters were letters? |
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| 16:09.35 | visik7 | asg yes they are letters |
| 16:09.38 | enveezee | I am having absolutly shitty network connectivity |
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| 16:09.54 | asg | visik7: the link I gave you will generate a match provide you know the salt, which you do since it's part of the string $i$8charsalt$hash |
| 16:09.58 | liable | paakku: dunno, why? |
| 16:10.01 | enveezee | my syslog shows link up link down like every 10 minutes for the past 2 days |
| 16:10.15 | asg | visik7: just loop through all combinations and search. |
| 16:10.19 | Atz | dvs: did you tried Ubuntu? |
| 16:10.20 | visik7 | asg I've generate all the 625 possible hash |
| 16:10.25 | visik7 | and noone match |
| 16:10.26 | asg | visik7: using the same salt? |
| 16:10.34 | visik7 | the same of my hash ? |
| 16:10.35 | dvs | Atz: Nope. Blasphemy!!! |
| 16:10.40 | enveezee | looks like its not just me. 30 people just re-joined |
| 16:10.44 | liable | enveezee: for what? |
| 16:10.46 | asg | visik7: yes, they won't match if you don't use the same salt |
| 16:10.49 | muntyan_ | hey. i am reading New Maintainer's Guide, and it says to do 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot', and it should generate .changes file. but it doesn't in my case |
| 16:10.50 | visik7 | of my shadow |
| 16:10.55 | asg | yes |
| 16:10.56 | Kizmet | enveezee, was a netsplit. |
| 16:11.01 | visik7 | ok |
| 16:11.02 | Atz | dvs: im using the live cd now... ver nice! |
| 16:11.05 | visik7 | I retry |
| 16:11.12 | muntyan_ | any idea about how to get that .changes file? |
| 16:11.20 | asg | visik7: perl -e 'use Crypt::PasswdMD5;print unix_md5_crypt("test","12345678");' (replace 12345678 with the 8 char salt in the real root password) |
| 16:11.28 | enveezee | Kizmet: my client is suppose to stop that. I am not suppose to see join/quits on netsplits.. just a one-line netsplit message |
| 16:11.41 | asg | visik7: replace test with your iteration |
| 16:11.45 | visik7 | ok |
| 16:11.46 | visik7 | thank |
| 16:11.49 | visik7 | s |
| 16:11.50 | enveezee | liable: for my ethernet |
| 16:12.18 | asg | visik7: oh, and just to verify, make sure that the first 3 letters of the field in /etc/shadow is $1$. If not, it isn't an md5 hash |
| 16:12.29 | visik7 | yes $1$ |
| 16:12.30 | liable | enveezee: dodgy connection? |
| 16:12.40 | enveezee | honestly I don't know why my system is taking the link up/down when this happens.. I know its the internet because the wireless clients are having no internet as well |
| 16:12.41 | asg | enveezee: maybe your switch/hub is flaky |
| 16:12.49 | enveezee | there is no switch or hub |
| 16:13.00 | asg | enveezee: what are you plugging your ethernet cable into? |
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| 16:13.18 | enveezee | my ethernet cable pluges into the port on the modem |
| 16:13.30 | liable | enveezee: is it your system, or your connection? |
| 16:13.32 | visik7 | got IT |
| 16:13.33 | asg | enveezee: then maybe the modem is going flaking out. |
| 16:13.39 | asg | s/going// |
| 16:13.42 | enveezee | with a butt connector right here by my pc.. but its not just me. the wireless is going out too |
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| 16:14.18 | Kizmet | asg, where would i find the salt ? |
| 16:14.23 | liable | enveezee: well, that would point to your modem eh? |
| 16:14.27 | dvs | Atz: Don't msgs me. |
| 16:14.31 | Kizmet | asg, how would i find out that the salt is. |
| 16:14.38 | asg | Kizmet: $1$<8 char salt>$<hash> |
| 16:14.40 | suppaman | bye |
| 16:14.47 | Kizmet | asg, thx. |
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| 16:14.54 | enveezee | liable: comcast says they are having network issues. and I can still get to the modem |
| 16:15.16 | Atz | dvs: sorry! |
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| 16:15.34 | setuid | I'm trying to build fltk with debuild so I can build pose so I can test my Palm documents... but it says there's an unmet dependency on htmldoc, and when I try to install htmldoc, it depends on fltk. |
| 16:15.36 | setuid | Arg! |
| 16:15.40 | asg | muntyan_: the changes file should be in the parent directory of the build directory |
| 16:15.47 | setuid | When will this Xorg breakage settle down! |
| 16:15.58 | enveezee | I think its loosing massive packets I just don't know why the syslog shows the link going up and down |
| 16:16.00 | liable | enveezee: so your isp admits to having issues, but you still think its a debian problem? |
| 16:16.00 | asg | setuid: when it does. |
| 16:16.13 | asg | enveezee: because the modem is cycling the ethernet port |
| 16:16.15 | enveezee | liable: I dont think it has anything at all to do with debian |
| 16:16.31 | enveezee | I was just stating I am having connectivity issues |
| 16:16.36 | muntyan_ | asg: yeah, but it's not there. apparently it's a problem with gpg, i asked in #debian-devel |
| 16:16.44 | liable | enveezee: oh. ok then... |
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| 16:16.48 | setuid | debuild suggests I use -f to override the circular dependency, but debuild has no -f option |
| 16:16.49 | setuid | wtf. |
| 16:16.55 | enveezee | I'm usually here all the time.. lately my clones and I have been comming and going every 10 minutes |
| 16:16.57 | asg | muntyan_: hmmm, odd. You might want to ask on the mailing lists. |
| 16:17.00 | setuid | Do people actually _test_ the software they package in Debian? |
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| 16:17.16 | dvs | setuid: That's what sid is for |
| 16:17.36 | muntyan_ | asg: i asked in #debian-devel, and was told to fix my gpg problem. so i guess the problem is resolved |
| 16:17.38 | liable | setuid: of course not, they just package it into the repos..... |
| 16:17.46 | asg | muntyan_: ah |
| 16:17.48 | setuid | liable: obviously |
| 16:17.57 | muntyan_ | i wish i knew who's gpg :) |
| 16:17.58 | liable | setuid: *sarcassm* |
| 16:18.18 | setuid | A good 30% of X packages and everything that relies on them are orphaned, not good. |
| 16:18.26 | enveezee | asg: thats misleading. its making me think something is wrong with one of my cables or my butt connector |
| 16:18.30 | setuid | abiword, gdm, pose, all over the map. |
| 16:18.36 | liable | setuid: you are running sarge? |
| 16:18.38 | valdyn | i dont know why people keep trying to build stuff or dist-upgrade during the c++ abi transition, its uh, stupid |
| 16:18.41 | setuid | liable: Of course not |
| 16:18.50 | setuid | liable: I prefer to stick with software released this decade |
| 16:18.54 | liable | setuid: well, shut the fuck up then... |
| 16:18.59 | enveezee | asg: I've been looking at it every which way for over 24 hours now.. finally called comcast |
| 16:19.10 | setuid | liable: Opinion noted and ignored |
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| 16:19.35 | enveezee | wtf |
| 16:19.54 | Kizmet | asg, how would i get a password from its value like : $1$3a4fkuf8$lWzVYKt/ZeDfjnELwfNUL0 |
| 16:20.08 | enveezee | Atz: why the hell are you sending me a DCC CHAT? |
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| 16:20.44 | Rawplayer | oi |
| 16:20.46 | liable | setuid: you realise you can actually help, rather than just bitch? |
| 16:20.51 | enveezee | you use ubuntu, and are from brazil.. you definatly do not know me |
| 16:20.53 | setuid | liable: I am helping, you're not. |
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| 16:21.10 | egg | hey all, OK? |
| 16:21.18 | enveezee | Atz: you will have to talk in the channel or I will have to report you for being a fucktard |
| 16:21.25 | dondelelcaro | Kizmet: you don't. |
| 16:21.30 | valdyn | setuid: those packages are orphaned for good reason(s) |
| 16:21.32 | enveezee | Atz: you do not dcc random people on this server |
| 16:21.33 | setuid | "report you"? HAhahahahahaha |
| 16:21.42 | _paul | Is there another way to discover IP address of machines using DHCP, instead of using DNS-DHCP? |
| 16:21.56 | dondelelcaro | _paul: by having them phone nome. |
| 16:21.59 | Kizmet | dondelelcaro, is it not 'possable' |
| 16:21.59 | setuid | valdyn: Yes, because for the first time in history, the xserver depends on xlibs, which breaks lots. |
| 16:22.13 | Atz | enveezee: sorry! I just didnt know... im learning how to use this x-chat |
| 16:22.13 | dondelelcaro | _paul: the other method being parsing the leases file. |
| 16:22.16 | setuid | !dpkg depends xserver-xorg sid |
| 16:22.23 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: depends on xserver-common (>= 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libxau6, libxdmcp6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 16:22.31 | setuid | !dpkg depends xserver-xfree86 sarge |
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| 16:22.37 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: depends on xfree86-common, xserver-common (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 16:22.40 | setuid | ding! |
| 16:22.44 | dondelelcaro | Kizmet: if you have an infinite amount of time, yes, it is possible. It's just not feasible, which is the whole point. |
| 16:22.44 | _paul | dondelelcaro: What about client to client? |
| 16:23.11 | dondelelcaro | _paul: In that case, you use arp. |
| 16:23.23 | Kizmet | dondelelcaro, k, is there an encryption method that is crackable easyly if you have the key ?? |
| 16:23.27 | egg | _paul, P to P |
| 16:23.28 | Atz | enveezee: I just wanted that some1 explain how it works... |
| 16:23.42 | _paul | dondelelcaro: Looking up arp, and phone nome... |
| 16:23.44 | nvz | Atz: ask in #ubuntu or #xchat |
| 16:23.45 | egg | _paul, Head to Head |
| 16:23.46 | dondelelcaro | Kizmet: ask in #crypto, not here. |
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| 16:24.15 | nvz | Atz: ask in #ubuntu or #xchat |
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| 16:24.39 | Atz | nvz, im debian user... |
| 16:24.47 | asg | Kizmet: not easily. If you can narrow the search space a lot (like visik7 did) you can. Otherwise, #crypt can suggest possible solutions. |
| 16:24.57 | asg | s/crypt/crypto/ |
| 16:25.02 | Atz | nvz, or i try to be one... :) |
| 16:25.15 | setuid | Is there a tool/package out there that can scan all of the active binaries, ldd them, find out the libs they depend on, then scan the library dirs and present a list of libraries installed but not used by anything? |
| 16:25.17 | cplx | can someone assist me with bahamut ircd.. its installed and running but when I join a channel for the first time.. i dont have ops and cant get them.. what do I do? |
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| 16:25.27 | asg | setuid: just use deborphan |
| 16:25.37 | setuid | asg: Does that work if packages were installed via source? |
| 16:25.52 | valdyn | setuid: that is not sanely possible, nor does deborphan act sanely without manual control. |
| 16:25.52 | setuid | i.e. some via debs, others via source, etc. |
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| 16:25.56 | asg | setuid: no, but they should be in /usr/local anyway so you can make an educated guess. |
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| 16:26.12 | enveezee | this is getting old |
| 16:26.14 | Atz | nvz, this was the first time the community rejected an information to me... |
| 16:26.19 | setuid | asg: I'm sure you meant /usr/local. /usr, and /opt... |
| 16:26.36 | setuid | lots of packages (binary packages) install in all kinds of places: vmware, Acroread, OpenOffice.org, etc. |
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| 16:26.56 | Crasp | well that's pretty stupid then :) |
| 16:26.57 | eka | hi all |
| 16:27.07 | faigo | hi, any emacs+gnus user on debian? I can't send a email via exim4. |
| 16:27.08 | asg | setuid: /usr/local is a standard location for most tarballs. /opt are options. /usr should *never* be used unless you build a debian package. |
| 16:27.30 | setuid | asg: Unfortunately, not my problem... lots of vendor-provided, non-deb-packaged stuff ends up in /usr |
| 16:27.31 | eka | when i mount a NTFS part as a normal user it get mounted but i cannot cd to it, permission denied |
| 16:27.46 | setuid | and quite a few packages require being placed there, they're hard-coded to look there, even if /usr/local is forced |
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| 16:27.51 | enveezee | Atz: I can give you 3 reasons why #debian isnt the place for you to ask questions about xchat. one you do not use debian, two you are new to irc, and need to ask general questions related to your client, 3 you do not nativly speak english. #debian is an english discussion channel for the debian project. |
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| 16:28.08 | liable | eka: umask 022 |
| 16:28.15 | asg | setuid: well, then you have the hassle of managing a possibly broken system. |
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| 16:28.32 | Crasp | setuid: i'd recommend removing acroread and openoffice.org from the place you installed it and install it using apt-get? |
| 16:28.35 | setuid | asg: Exactly why I was asking if such a tool existed. I should cook one up in perl, shoudl be easy. |
| 16:29.02 | setuid | Crasp: Unfortunately, not possible with some packages, because Debian is pretty far behind there, as are the third-party untrusted repositories found on apt-get.org |
| 16:29.04 | asg | setuid: yes, cooking one up in perl or sh should be trivial. The tools that do exist are debian specific. |
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| 16:29.26 | Crasp | setuid: why would you need a new version of acroread? |
| 16:29.30 | setuid | # deborphan | wc -l |
| 16:29.30 | setuid | 46 |
| 16:29.33 | setuid | hrm |
| 16:29.37 | dondelelcaro | setuid: that's why you take whatever crap they package, and turn it into a Debian package. |
| 16:29.38 | Crasp | setuid: the pdf standard hasn't changed for years :) |
| 16:29.56 | covux | hi. where in the linux source tree can i check which alsa version is included? |
| 16:30.00 | setuid | dondelelcaro: That's the problem, the circular dependencies in Debian are preventing me from doing just that |
| 16:30.02 | _robewald | eka: read the ntfs section of mount |
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| 16:30.13 | setuid | Crasp: Ah, but it has. |
| 16:30.13 | _robewald | eka: man 8 mount |
| 16:30.21 | Atz | enveezee: so, now u gave me some information! so, im at wrong place... |
| 16:30.33 | setuid | Crasp: The encryption has changed, adding certificate servers and PKI, as well as some holes and exploitable ugliness in the 5.x reader. |
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| 16:30.53 | valdyn | setuid: the latest acrobat reader is packaged _for_ debian |
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| 16:31.04 | setuid | valdyn: It is now, that was just an example. |
| 16:31.07 | setuid | # deborphan -a | wc -l |
| 16:31.08 | setuid | 283 |
| 16:31.17 | setuid | That can't be good. Does that mean I have 203 "orhpaned" packages? |
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| 16:31.20 | valdyn | setuid: it was before adobe officially released it. |
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| 16:31.35 | Atz | enveezee: thanks! by the way, im debian user and I lived in USA for many years, so I can perfectly understand you! |
| 16:31.59 | Phated | setuid: No, it means you have 283 packages that aren't depended on by any other ones. Like... less, and... cowsay... and stuff like that. |
| 16:32.00 | setuid | What's the command to show what dependencies a specific package has? |
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| 16:32.10 | Phated | setuid: apt-cache showdeps or something. |
| 16:32.19 | dvs | setuid: No. -a lists programs as well as libraries |
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| 16:32.50 | asg | setuid: apt-rdepends <pkg> |
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| 16:33.32 | Phated | Doesn't rdepends show what packages depend on it, instead of what deps the package has? |
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| 16:34.00 | setuid | deborphan takes .0003ms to run, but rdepends for 1 package takes 1-2 seconds. How can deborphan be running that fast without even hitting the package db on disk? |
| 16:34.05 | setuid | Something fishy there |
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| 16:34.31 | Landy | hello |
| 16:34.33 | jazzanova | hi |
| 16:34.42 | cyzie | how do i make whenever i bootup the laptop, it start with GUI? |
| 16:34.42 | valdyn | setuid: one scans installed packages, one scans existing packages. |
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| 16:34.45 | dvs | jazzanova: Good day, eh? |
| 16:34.54 | Landy | may sound like a stupid question, but whats the debian way of restarting servics? |
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| 16:35.04 | TNKS | hi all. I just noticed that my installation includes a package called discover. What does that do? |
| 16:35.06 | asg | Phated: By default, apt-rdepends shows a listing of each dependency a package has. |
| 16:35.07 | nvz | Landy: /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 16:35.12 | Phated | Landy: /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
| 16:35.17 | dvs | Landy: invoke-rc.d <pakcage> restart |
| 16:35.19 | Phated | asg: Ah. |
| 16:35.21 | nvz | theres another way but I dont recall |
| 16:35.25 | setuid | valdyn: How is "existing" packages any different from "installed" packages? How can a package be installed but not exist, or exist but not be installed? If it exists on my machine, its installed. |
| 16:35.27 | asg | Phated: that's what the manpage says at any rate |
| 16:35.38 | jazzanova | can someone recommend a usb quick cam ? |
| 16:35.38 | liable | Landy: or inetd/xinetd |
| 16:35.43 | setuid | Nice, I want to install abiword, and I get this: |
| 16:35.43 | setuid | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 16:35.44 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.45 | TNKS | the "apt-cache show" says that discover is for "hardware detection". |
| 16:35.47 | Phated | setuid: You have maybe 2000 packages installed. There are Over 20,000 packages existing. |
| 16:35.57 | setuid | so I have to get rid of gaim, gnome-core, pan, etc. to install abiword?! |
| 16:36.01 | asg | setuid: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:36.03 | TNKS | What's the extent of this detection, and how does it relate to kmod? |
| 16:36.06 | asg | setuid: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:36.08 | Phated | setuid: "exists" refers to "exists in the debian repos". |
| 16:36.09 | valdyn | setuid: debian has ~16000 packages, checking for rdepends scans _ALL_ those, deborphan only scans the packages you have installed. |
| 16:36.21 | setuid | valdyn: I see |
| 16:36.23 | nvz | setuid: no, you have to install the right version |
| 16:36.23 | Phated | What, only 16,000? I'm disappointed. |
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| 16:36.27 | Phated | !dstats sid |
| 16:36.31 | valdyn | yea, i probably lied. |
| 16:36.36 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17110 packages, 1548 maintainers, 33924 MB installed size, 10900 MB compressed size. |
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| 16:36.44 | Phated | Ah, 17,000. I feel better. |
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| 16:36.52 | dvs | 33924MB?!? Wow! |
| 16:36.53 | setuid | nvz: I had abiword installed before, installed Xorg, and now abiword refuses to install without ripping out 1/2 of gnome |
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| 16:37.06 | Phated | I say go abiword. |
| 16:37.14 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 16:37.20 | valdyn | setuid: why are you running sid at all, when you dont know how to use it? such behaviour is _common_. |
| 16:37.22 | asg | setuid: yes, sid is unstable. x.org and gcc4 are causing havoc. If you want a stable system, do not use sid, use stable. That's why we tested it for 3 years. |
| 16:37.22 | scarynetworkguy | abiword > gnome. |
| 16:37.32 | liable | setuid: deal.. |
| 16:37.48 | Phated | Then again, vim probably doesn't want to remove anything. |
| 16:38.07 | setuid | valdyn: I've been running Sid for 7+ years (or however long its been called Unstable). I know how to use it. The last time this happened it was the libc5 => libc6 jump, but now we have the gcc4 ABI change + Xorg breakage. |
| 16:38.20 | setuid | Its tolerable, just frustrating to have to build hundreds of packages from source. |
| 16:38.28 | nvz | setuid: you maybe install abiword-gnome |
| 16:38.29 | valdyn | setuid: you dont have to. |
| 16:38.30 | setuid | I might as well just run BSD or Gentoo if I have to rebuild 1/2 my system from source anyway. |
| 16:38.40 | setuid | nvz: Nope, same problem with abiword-gnome |
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| 16:38.51 | nvz | setuid: there are like 3 different versions of abiword and IIRC the problem is with the aspell |
| 16:38.55 | Phated | Just... -wait- until the maintainers have recompiled, and then update. Prolly solve most xorg bugs, too. |
| 16:38.56 | valdyn | setuid: you dont have to use the new xlibs package , nor the new xclients-base, nor xutils, nor libglu1-xorg, and everything would work fine. |
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| 16:39.14 | setuid | valdyn: Incorrect, xserver-xorg drags in the rest. |
| 16:39.14 | asg | setuid: then go and use gentoo or a BSD |
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| 16:39.18 | tvn | how do I remove the file with name "-something" |
| 16:39.18 | setuid | valdyn: As I showed above |
| 16:39.22 | valdyn | setuid: it doesnt. |
| 16:39.25 | scarynetworkguy | So unstable might have problems and if you run into issues waiting while they get fixed would be a good idea? |
| 16:39.26 | setuid | tv rm -- file-something |
| 16:39.32 | setuid | valdyn: It most-certainly does. |
| 16:39.34 | scarynetworkguy | Seems a bit wacky to me. :) |
| 16:39.40 | setuid | !dpkg depends xserver-xorg sid |
| 16:39.42 | Phated | tvn: rm \-something |
| 16:39.46 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: depends on xserver-common (>= 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libxau6, libxdmcp6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
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| 16:39.52 | setuid | !dpkg depends xserver-xfree86 sarge |
| 16:39.56 | setuid | Compare those two... |
| 16:39.58 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: depends on xfree86-common, xserver-common (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 16:40.09 | Phated | Yes, and? |
| 16:40.09 | setuid | greycat and I went over this the other day |
| 16:40.15 | cyzie | resiak, i did echo mousedev >>/etc/modules. when i reboot this laptop, it still dont go to the GUI |
| 16:40.22 | setuid | Phated: Xorg's server depends on xlibs, it never used to, ever. |
| 16:40.25 | setuid | Hence the breakage. |
| 16:40.31 | Landy | doh, ssh is still letting me login as root. Must check the confi |
| 16:40.34 | dvs | cyzie: That and the GUI aren't related |
| 16:40.35 | Landy | *g |
| 16:40.35 | Phated | I weep for you, truly I do. |
| 16:40.42 | valdyn | setuid: no, the breakage is because you didnt stick to the old 'xlibs' |
| 16:40.42 | liable | cyzie: what errors do you get? |
| 16:40.44 | nvz | setuid: where the hell do you see it says that? |
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| 16:40.59 | dvs | cyzie: Search for (EE) again |
| 16:41.00 | setuid | valdyn: Not an option, installing xserver-xorg drags in the 6.8.2 xlibs |
| 16:41.02 | nvz | personally I see xlibs nowhere in those depends |
| 16:41.09 | setuid | Its not an option to stick with the old ones, it forces a removal |
| 16:41.09 | cyzie | (EE) problem parsing the config file |
| 16:41.15 | setuid | nvz: libx* |
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| 16:41.21 | Phated | nvz: Prolly something in there deps on xlibs. |
| 16:41.24 | cyzie | (EE) error from xf86handleConfigfile() |
| 16:41.27 | valdyn | setuid: for some funny reason this works for me on 2 installations. |
| 16:41.28 | liable | cyzie: did you hand edit it? |
| 16:41.33 | cyzie | liable, yes |
| 16:41.41 | Phated | ... Jesus, I'm shortening every three words. |
| 16:41.43 | Landy | man, talk about minimal install, my installation didn't have less |
| 16:41.44 | setuid | valdyn: And not for myself or serveral others here the other day, also verified by greycat. |
| 16:41.51 | Phated | Landy: No installation has less. |
| 16:41.52 | liable | !xmd5sum |
| 16:41.52 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 16:41.57 | Phated | Ahem. No Debian install. |
| 16:42.02 | rbochan | Landy: it has more though |
| 16:42.02 | liable | cyzie: ^^ |
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| 16:42.27 | valdyn | setuid: because they a) did a dist-upgrade or b) didnt have X installed before. |
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| 16:42.59 | nvz | setuid: Phated nope, try again |
| 16:43.06 | nvz | setuid: Phated they only depend on libc6 |
| 16:43.13 | Phated | nvz: Not an issue for me. |
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| 16:43.23 | cyzie | liable, reading |
| 16:43.26 | asg | dvs: he's back to being nvz now |
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| 16:43.52 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.54 | valdyn | setuid: and this has nothing to do with xlibs, but with keeping the old versions of: x-window-system-core xbase-clients xutils |
| 16:43.57 | setuid | nvz: try what again? |
| 16:44.20 | nvz | ah, nm// my realname isnt set to enveezee like its suppose to be |
| 16:44.43 | setuid | valdyn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y5j7xR40.html |
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| 16:44.56 | nvz | setuid: the deps of xserver-xorg that are libx* only depend on libc6.. and no way no how does any of that depend on what valdyn said |
| 16:44.57 | setuid | nvz: What only depends on libc6? |
| 16:45.08 | Landy | <----idiot |
| 16:45.21 | Landy | <---- edited ssh_config instead of sshd_config |
| 16:45.34 | valdyn | setuid: yea, thats your problem, that's the new versions =p |
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| 16:45.51 | setuid | valdyn: Right, because installing xserver-xorg _removed_ my previous versions, replacing it with those |
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| 16:45.58 | liable | fucking hell, shit is busted in sid..... lets all hold hands and get over it, or install sarge... |
| 16:45.58 | setuid | It was not an option to stay with the old versions |
| 16:46.07 | Phated | Etch, prolly. |
| 16:46.07 | setuid | Not without some dancing around with --force, --ignore-deps and all that |
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| 16:46.29 | dvs | liable: Something named "unstable" isn't suppose to break, dammit! |
| 16:46.42 | rbochan | liable: only if you do a rousing rendition of Kum ba ya |
| 16:46.46 | liable | dvs: apparently not... |
| 16:46.58 | liable | rbochan: heh |
| 16:46.58 | Landy | how do you know which install is on, sid, sarge, woody whatever? Uname doesn't show it |
| 16:47.09 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 16:47.21 | FieldySnuts | wenas who uses sound lol |
| 16:47.24 | dvs | Landy: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:47.45 | Landy | ahh, couldn't see that. I know you get one for redhat |
| 16:48.07 | Landy | 3.1 :D |
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| 16:48.17 | splattnik | how do i see the exact rate transfering on a certain port? |
| 16:48.26 | FieldySnuts | iptraf perhaps |
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| 16:48.39 | dvs | Landy: Acutally, /etc/apt/sources.list is more accurate |
| 16:48.55 | xoz | from the time i upgraded to xorg, ssh-agent is no longer called by Xsession. have you experienced similar thing lately? |
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| 16:49.26 | doojin | hi |
| 16:49.47 | splattnik | tried that one.. but it doese only seem to show the transfers not the rate |
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| 16:50.24 | FieldySnuts | user error then, shrug |
| 16:50.36 | petemc | splattnik: iftop, jnettop |
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| 16:50.53 | cyzie | thanks liable :) |
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| 16:52.16 | liable | cyzie: fixed? |
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| 16:52.27 | valdyn | xoz: its running for me, with xorg, no idea how its started. |
| 16:52.29 | takatumi | splattnik: the transfer rate is displayed at the ~bottom right of the screen in iptraf, jnettop gives you better visibility |
| 16:52.30 | cyzie | liable, rebootting |
| 16:52.48 | xoz | valdyn: are youo using xdm? startx seems to miss it. |
| 16:52.55 | valdyn | xoz: gdm |
| 16:52.58 | liable | cyzie: you dont actually have yo reboot. |
| 16:53.19 | cyzie | liable, yes, i know no need reboot. but i just wanna make sure :) |
| 16:53.25 | cyzie | liable, it works!!!! |
| 16:53.38 | dvs | cyzie: That's what you said the last time |
| 16:53.43 | liable | cyzie: cool :) |
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| 16:53.46 | Landy | hmmm, says sarge, wonder if I used the wrong disk, could have sworn it was my newly downloaded one. {goes to check} |
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| 16:54.13 | cyzie | dvs, last time work as it show the kde GUI.. but after reboot, it goes back into command line. but now reboot show GUI :) |
| 16:54.14 | PeterB | !nickometer v0L7r[-]n |
| 16:54.15 | dpkg | 'v0L7r[-]n' is 99.760% lame, peterb |
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| 16:54.28 | xoz | valdyn: hmm. ill go check with dm but startx should be able to work also because it uses the standard Xsession. |
| 16:55.25 | valdyn | xoz: works the same with startx for me |
| 16:55.32 | cyzie | liable, dvs, and everyone else... this laptop has 20GB where 9GB use by windows and the remaining on etch. the porblem is glub cannot detect windows present. and etch write the mbr to the disk. any adivce? |
| 16:55.41 | cheale1 | vorlon finally figured out how to use r00t |
| 16:55.42 | valdyn | xoz: *maybe* you should have said Y to install the new Xsessions script, no idea. |
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| 16:56.01 | dvs | cyzie: What Windows? |
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| 16:56.13 | xoz | valdyn: that's a good info. yeah, maybe i should install a new config and Xsession. thanks. |
| 16:56.20 | cyzie | dvs, windows xp professional |
| 16:56.25 | cyzie | dvs, windows xp professional with sp2 |
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| 16:56.32 | dvs | bah |
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| 16:56.34 | liable | cyzie: did you write grub to mbr? |
| 16:56.43 | dvs | liable: yup |
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| 16:56.45 | cyzie | liable, yes, i did write grub to mbr |
| 16:56.55 | dvs | liable: But XP isn't configured in menu.lst |
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| 16:57.12 | doojin | finally a routine came into my head |
| 16:57.27 | doojin | a routine that installs linux |
| 16:57.35 | liable | cyzie: look in /boot/grub/menu.lst theres an example for windows stuff, itd the chainloader stuff |
| 16:57.48 | cyzie | liable, thanks and checking :) |
| 16:57.59 | FieldySnuts | @lart Phated |
| 16:58.06 | FieldySnuts | not what I was looking for but okay |
| 16:58.25 | liable | cyzie: just copy it, put it at the end, and remove the # at the start of the lines.. |
| 16:58.40 | FieldySnuts | mean :( |
| 16:58.45 | Phated | So were you. |
| 16:58.46 | doojin | liable : I forgot to install debian in korean |
| 16:58.49 | doojin | I installed it in english |
| 16:58.52 | FieldySnuts | wanna make it up? |
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| 16:59.00 | JeffH- | can I get rid of some of the default groups in the /etc/group file?? |
| 16:59.01 | doojin | I decided to become a foreigner when I'm on linux |
| 16:59.19 | liable | doojin: apparently you know more than me so ..... |
| 16:59.20 | FieldySnuts | Phated: feh. |
| 16:59.22 | valdyn | JeffH-: you could, but you shouldnt. |
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| 16:59.29 | SDFH_Linux | what packages do you need for sites to show japanese and chinese fonts at there websites |
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| 16:59.44 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Where and when, baby? |
| 16:59.59 | FieldySnuts | hide and seek you find me |
| 17:00.01 | doojin | liable : more than you in what |
| 17:00.07 | Phated | Oooh, a hunt! |
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| 17:00.35 | v0L7r[-]n | I'm configuring links and have to add a path to my ssl directory. Any idea to which one it is ? |
| 17:00.41 | rbochan | SDFH_Linux: apt-get install anime_pr0n-fonts-x11 ;) |
| 17:00.51 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 17:00.53 | liable | hehe |
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| 17:01.00 | SDFH_Linux | no seriously which ones |
| 17:01.03 | Phated | Anime pr0n comes in PDFs now, don'tcha know? |
| 17:01.12 | rbochan | Ooo... printable |
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| 17:01.29 | Phated | Or scanned JPEGs, on the low-tech sites. |
| 17:01.35 | v0L7r[-]n | rbochan takes it in the bum |
| 17:01.47 | liable | ?? |
| 17:01.59 | v0L7r[-]n | thats right, you didn't know |
| 17:02.22 | FieldySnuts | Phated: that's evil |
| 17:02.24 | cyzie | liable, added "title windows 2000 |
| 17:02.24 | cyzie | root (hd0,0) |
| 17:02.24 | cyzie | makeactive |
| 17:02.24 | cyzie | chainloader +1" |
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| 17:02.28 | rbochan | SDFH_Linux: http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JapaneseFontsInDebian |
| 17:02.29 | liable | v0L7r[-]n: dont troll |
| 17:02.33 | cyzie | oopss |
| 17:02.35 | cyzie | sorry |
| 17:02.36 | FieldySnuts | yeah that's it paste your entire damned grub.conf |
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| 17:02.45 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Well, sometimes .png, too. |
| 17:02.50 | v0L7r[-]n | So I'm trying to specify a ssl directory and am having trouble finding the correct one. |
| 17:03.02 | FieldySnuts | Phated: I wouldn't know but I guess you would, naughty |
| 17:03.03 | cyzie | liable, addede "title windows 2000 ; root (hd0,0) ; makeactive ; chainloader +1 " |
| 17:03.05 | v0L7r[-]n | now that I have your attention |
| 17:03.12 | liable | cyzie: that look right anyway.. |
| 17:03.12 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Wouldn't you love to know. ;) |
| 17:03.22 | cyzie | liable, restarting :) |
| 17:03.24 | gorby | I have just set up php4 with mysql (via apt) and when i run <? phpinfo(); ?> its been configured with the --without-mysql option, how can i turn it back on? |
| 17:03.25 | FieldySnuts | what ever |
| 17:03.27 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:03.50 | JeffH- | why are there so many default groups? |
| 17:03.52 | darkskiez | cyzie: I thought you needed rootnoverify or something |
| 17:03.57 | doojin | liable : you want to join the finnish army? |
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| 17:04.08 | liable | doojin: sure. |
| 17:04.09 | cyzie | darkskiez, what do u mean? i dont understand |
| 17:04.09 | JeffH- | gorby: install a package that has mysql support. |
| 17:04.13 | doojin | why? |
| 17:04.18 | rbochan | SDFH_Linux: another... http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html |
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| 17:04.21 | liable | why not? |
| 17:04.21 | doojin | you want to play with a gun? |
| 17:04.32 | tirkal | where do I find apxs on debian? |
| 17:04.35 | cyzie | liable, when i click on windows xp, i got this error. Error 13: invalid or unsupported executale format |
| 17:04.41 | doojin | liable : you can't do many things in army |
| 17:04.42 | cyzie | liable, press any key to continue |
| 17:04.42 | tirkal | (APache eXtenSion) |
| 17:04.45 | liable | doojin: are you gonna just troll now? |
| 17:04.52 | darkskiez | cyzie: i made grub boot windows recently, I used the rootnoverify command |
| 17:04.54 | doojin | and your personal time reduces much |
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| 17:05.29 | doojin | You'll be just a soldier not a civilian, it means you'll not be treated as a normal person. |
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| 17:05.31 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 17:05.32 | nct_ | Hello |
| 17:05.33 | liable | cyzie: um, that doesnt look good. |
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| 17:05.39 | cyzie | darkskiez, thanks..i will give it a try |
| 17:05.48 | gorby | JeffH- I have php4-mysql installed i thought that was all i needed? |
| 17:05.53 | doojin | liable : Isn't it bothering to be ordered when you want to do something else? |
| 17:05.55 | cyzie | liable, i know :| since it cant detect during etch installation. i dont have a good feel |
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| 17:06.02 | nct_ | Why the sparc64 sarge doesn't give kernel 2.6 as an installation choice ? |
| 17:06.05 | nvz_ | wtf |
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| 17:06.18 | doojin | liable : the biggest reason I don't want to join the army is that |
| 17:06.24 | liable | cyzie: very starnge it wasnt picked up during install. |
| 17:06.30 | doojin | anyways I'm going out |
| 17:06.31 | doojin | bye |
| 17:06.33 | cyzie | liable, indeed |
| 17:06.35 | liable | strange |
| 17:06.38 | nvz_ | if I see this nvz_ character one more time I am taking my HD out and taking a sledge hammer to this pc |
| 17:07.00 | nvz_ | my alternate_nick has been working for two days.. now all of a sudden I am nvz_ again |
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| 17:07.24 | dondelelcaro | nvz_: most likely because 2.6 isn't running on sarge64 |
| 17:07.27 | dondelelcaro | s/sarge/sparc/ |
| 17:07.36 | liable | cyzie: you didnt install anything else but sarge? |
| 17:07.38 | cyzie | darkskiez, where do u get rootnoveify ? |
| 17:07.41 | dondelelcaro | or it wasn't at the time that d-i stabalized |
| 17:07.49 | cyzie | liable, etch to be spefic |
| 17:07.53 | nvz_ | nct_: that was for you. |
| 17:08.06 | liable | cyzie: k, but no other distros? |
| 17:08.10 | dondelelcaro | s/nvz/nct/ |
| 17:08.12 | nct_ | nvz_ : what do you mean ? |
| 17:08.23 | darkskiez | cyzie: in the grub config, instead of "root (hd0,0)" it was "rootnoverify (hd0,0)" or something |
| 17:08.26 | nvz_ | nct_: what dondelelcaro said |
| 17:08.27 | cyzie | liable, previously 10GB for windows 2k (c drive) 9GB for windows xp (D drive) |
| 17:08.43 | cyzie | darkskiez, thanks..will try that now |
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| 17:08.48 | nct_ | ok |
| 17:09.06 | cyzie | liable, i deleted windows2k during etch install |
| 17:09.32 | nct_ | thanks |
| 17:10.06 | nvz_ | gah, fools |
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| 17:10.32 | tirkal | ok, I found apxs, it's in the apache-dev package. |
| 17:10.33 | exobyte | kppp is interopable with it's gnome counterpart and console counterparts, right? |
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| 17:10.34 | nvz_ | I try to use line1 and I hear dialing, and so I pickup line2 and the idiots are calling line2 from line1 |
| 17:10.53 | nvz_ | why the hell they need to tie up both phone lines when I need to make a call I'll never know.. we dont live in a mansion |
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| 17:11.12 | nct_ | sartge installer is not working on sun blade.. it seems that there no ide-core module and it's not compiled in the kernel : the installer can't moun the install CD |
| 17:11.17 | liable | cyzie: try what darkskiez said, the rootnoverify, have seen that before but not in my menu at the mo. |
| 17:11.27 | nct_ | Does anyone has any clue about this ? |
| 17:11.32 | cyzie | liable, trying |
| 17:12.09 | gorby | How can i stop php4 configureing with the --withoutmysql option?; I installed php4 and php4-mysql at the same time |
| 17:12.26 | cyzie | liable, darkskiez , still the same error after adding rootnoveify .. error 13: invalid or unsupported executalbe format |
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| 17:13.45 | darkskiez | cyzie: have u pastebined your config anywhere? |
| 17:13.57 | cyzie | darkskiez, what do u mean? |
| 17:14.24 | liable | cyzie: paste the file on a paster |
| 17:14.28 | sanxiyn | "All of GNOME 2.10 is now held out of testing until xorg is also ready to go in ... In effect, this means all of the large etch transitions are now hooked together." -- Steve Langasek on d-d-a. |
| 17:14.45 | cyzie | one moment..i will get my laptop an irc client first |
| 17:15.02 | darkskiez | cyzie: /msg dpkg paster |
| 17:15.11 | sanxiyn | (xorg is part of C++ transition because libGLU is in C++.) |
| 17:15.23 | coywolf | why non-us is no more. |
| 17:15.31 | sanxiyn | coywolf: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 17:15.37 | darkskiez | coywolf: its not needed |
| 17:15.46 | coywolf | dark, why |
| 17:15.47 | liable | !topicsmite cyzie |
| 17:15.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cyzie. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:15.49 | coywolf | darkskiez, |
| 17:15.49 | cyzie | darkskiez, where can i paste? |
| 17:15.56 | liable | !topicsmite coywolf |
| 17:15.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon coywolf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:16.08 | liable | bah |
| 17:16.20 | liable | !paste |
| 17:16.20 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:16.30 | sanxiyn | Oh, I should read /topic now. |
| 17:16.30 | liable | cyzie: ^^ |
| 17:16.43 | cyzie | liable, alright |
| 17:16.56 | coywolf | the date is 31-Jul-2001, but why remove non-us just now? |
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| 17:17.03 | coywolf | not before? |
| 17:17.13 | liable | sanxiyn: ? |
| 17:17.16 | exobyte | do we really need to spend 10 lines insulting people? |
| 17:17.31 | darkskiez | lines = bandwidth |
| 17:17.33 | darkskiez | :) |
| 17:17.43 | Phated | Only 10? |
| 17:17.46 | liable | sanxiyn: you are a non topic reader? ;P |
| 17:17.58 | sanxiyn | liable: Lest I will be stricken... |
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| 17:19.10 | cyzie | oh god! :O ididint aware it is already 1.19am :| |
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| 17:19.35 | liable | exobyte: you having a go at me? |
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| 17:19.49 | lyly | hi |
| 17:20.09 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 17:20.09 | apt | Israel kicks Saudi ass! |
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| 17:23.40 | simonrvn | @ff FieldySnuts |
| 17:23.40 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: fartfish |
| 17:24.29 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 17:24.36 | grilledsalad | Anyone have a minute to look at an installation error message? |
| 17:24.42 | FieldySnuts | what the hell IS a fartfish |
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| 17:25.15 | aaronlin | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 17:25.35 | grilledsalad | ? |
| 17:25.42 | gorby | How can i stop php4 configureing with the --withoutmysql option?; I installed php4 and php4-mysql at the same time |
| 17:26.14 | sanxiyn | gorby: configuring? |
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| 17:26.16 | aaronlin | How does a netinstall of debian work? Does it use some sort of p2p or does it use a mirror? |
| 17:26.19 | sanxiyn | gorby: You are installing PHP from source? |
| 17:26.28 | sanxiyn | aaronlin: Mirror. |
| 17:26.28 | grilledsalad | aaron, it uses a mirror. you can select it |
| 17:26.44 | gorby | No, its what I see when I run phpinfo on my server |
| 17:26.47 | aaronlin | sanxiyn: ok, thanks. |
| 17:26.49 | gorby | it was installed via apt |
| 17:27.07 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: ok. since i've never explained what it is, i will now. fartfish is a word my partner and i invented to make our then dog (we don't have her anymore, we gave her to an older couple who spoils her rotten ;), a doberman, hyper-sweet, and when we'd say this, she'd run around the room looking for this mythical fartfish creature with a look of "where is it?! where is it?!" on her face. to see her go around like that was funny as hell |
| 17:27.14 | aaronlin | sanxiyn: Do you know a site where I can compare the checksum of my ISO? |
| 17:27.49 | sanxiyn | gorby: Why is it a problem that it configured with --without-mysql? |
| 17:27.54 | grilledsalad | Errors were encountered |
| 17:27.54 | grilledsalad | exim4-config |
| 17:27.54 | grilledsalad | exim4-base |
| 17:27.54 | grilledsalad | exim4-daemon-light |
| 17:27.55 | grilledsalad | at |
| 17:27.55 | grilledsalad | exim4 |
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| 17:27.56 | PeterB | gorby: That just lists the compile-time options for PHP. If you install php4-mysql, it will work. |
| 17:28.01 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 17:28.21 | grilledsalad | sorry abou the spam |
| 17:28.22 | grilledsalad | didn't know the rule = |
| 17:28.25 | grilledsalad | =| |
| 17:28.25 | simonrvn | @tell grilledsalad -about paste |
| 17:28.26 | PeterB | grilledsalad: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 17:28.30 | simonrvn | @tell grilledsalad -about paster |
| 17:28.33 | grilledsalad | lol |
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| 17:28.56 | simonrvn | !lolol grilledsalad |
| 17:29.04 | simonrvn | hey |
| 17:29.07 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: haha that's funny |
| 17:29.09 | grilledsalad | sorry =P |
| 17:29.14 | simonrvn | @lolol grilledsalad |
| 17:29.18 | FieldySnuts | !aolify simonrvn |
| 17:29.34 | gorby | PeterB:thanks for clearing that up |
| 17:29.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite grilledsalad |
| 17:29.45 | ravenbird | grilledsalad: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 17:30.14 | grilledsalad | raven i have no idea what that means |
| 17:30.16 | FieldySnuts | "take a bog" heh that's such an irritating phrase |
| 17:30.23 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: now you know why i giggle when i do @ff someone |
| 17:30.28 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
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| 17:30.32 | grilledsalad | does that mean you have to go to the bathroom? |
| 17:30.32 | liable | hahahaha |
| 17:30.37 | hax | i have all the filesystem things i need built into my kernel, but it still doesnt want to boot without initrd... how can i fix that? |
| 17:30.44 | aaronlin | Does debian ISOs have a checksum or MD5sum or anything like that to check if the CD is corrupt? |
| 17:30.48 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 17:30.50 | FieldySnuts | (to bogging) |
| 17:30.53 | dvs | hax: lilo or grub |
| 17:30.54 | grilledsalad | yep aaron |
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| 17:30.58 | hax | dvs: i'm using grub |
| 17:31.06 | grilledsalad | just make the CD, you can check its validity once you boot from it |
| 17:31.07 | liable | grilledsalad: um yeah, number 2 |
| 17:31.07 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite grilledsalad |
| 17:31.08 | dpkg | grilledsalad: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 17:31.10 | Thanatermesis | how to set the language in one new system debian with debootstrap ? |
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| 17:31.12 | grilledsalad | gotcha liable |
| 17:31.15 | cyzie1 | hi liable and darkskiez , i will paste on the #flood |
| 17:31.15 | aaronlin | ok, I see. Thanks. |
| 17:31.15 | sanxiyn | aaronlin: Yes it has. |
| 17:31.16 | FieldySnuts | you won't guess that one heh |
| 17:31.17 | rbochan | aaronlin: there should have been a *.md5 file on the mirror you got the iso from |
| 17:31.37 | aaronlin | I only got the netinst, so it's only 1 cd. |
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| 17:31.47 | aaronlin | I didn't get it from a folder of cds, etc. |
| 17:31.48 | dvs | hax: add "initrd=.." to the # kopt line |
| 17:31.59 | paster | "grilledsalad" at 68.9.254.64 pasted "error during installation" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/371 |
| 17:32.01 | hax | dvs: uhh, but i don't want to use an initrd |
| 17:32.06 | dvs | where .. is the name of your initrd file |
| 17:32.08 | hax | dvs: thats the point :) |
| 17:32.12 | hax | dvs: no, i don't want initrd |
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| 17:32.14 | hax | i shouldnt need it |
| 17:32.17 | aaronlin | ok, but I found it |
| 17:32.20 | dvs | hax: Are you using a Debian kernel? |
| 17:32.23 | simonrvn | grilledsalad: thanks |
| 17:32.23 | hax | dvs: no |
| 17:32.25 | hax | dvs: custom kernel |
| 17:32.29 | liable | cyzie1: go ahead then.. |
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| 17:32.35 | hax | dvs: i just cant figure out what i'm missing that wont let it mount / |
| 17:32.36 | rbochan | aaronlin: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en |
| 17:33.03 | Landy | quit |
| 17:33.12 | rvl_ | I i have a question about debian+drbd+heartbeat-failover what is the best irc channel to join, or can i try here? |
| 17:33.13 | cyzie1 | liable, darkskiez paste in flood. plz check |
| 17:33.18 | dvs | hax: did you run update-grub? |
| 17:33.27 | sanxiyn | aaronlin: |
| 17:33.28 | sanxiyn | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en |
| 17:33.31 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 17:33.32 | grilledsalad | so if anyone looks at what i pasted, how do i find out their suggestion? |
| 17:33.32 | hax | dvs: no... but when i installed the .deb, it put the right line in |
| 17:33.33 | sanxiyn | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 17:33.36 | liable | cyzie1: looks ok, wont boot eh? |
| 17:33.36 | hax | dvs: grub isnt the problem |
| 17:33.41 | sanxiyn | You want aa3279af427fd0c6dcbdcf08d0115d90 debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:33.47 | cyzie1 | liable, yes, |
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| 17:34.00 | cyzie1 | liable, darkskiez any idea? |
| 17:34.15 | liable | cyzie1: whats it do when you choose the windows one? |
| 17:34.15 | dvs | hax: How did you compile the kernel? |
| 17:34.20 | aaronlin | sanxiyn: Got it. |
| 17:34.22 | hax | dvs: with make-kpkg |
| 17:34.31 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: What did you past? |
| 17:34.38 | dvs | hax: and you did NOT specify the "--initrd" option? |
| 17:34.38 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: Is that output of some program? |
| 17:34.44 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.48 | hax | dvs: correct |
| 17:34.50 | grilledsalad | i did a tail of var/log/messages |
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| 17:34.54 | aaronlin | One last question: How does Debian compare with Fedora? |
| 17:34.56 | grilledsalad | after i got myinstallation error |
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| 17:35.18 | rvl_ | and another general bitchx question: when somebody replies to me, my name shows up in a different color how is that done? |
| 17:35.21 | rbochan | aaronlin: same family, different species |
| 17:35.34 | zebalin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.37 | pureone | aaronlin from my experience i like debian more (fedore crashed on me too much ) |
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| 17:35.38 | cyzie1 | liable, i pasted the error just now, right? |
| 17:35.50 | dvs | hax: The only other thing I can think of is "update-grub" |
| 17:35.52 | aaronlin | Debian uses K right? |
| 17:35.53 | sanxiyn | aaronlin: Fedora is more cutting-edge. |
| 17:35.57 | sanxiyn | aaronlin: ? |
| 17:35.58 | pureone | K ? |
| 17:36.00 | aaronlin | KDE |
| 17:36.01 | simonrvn | k what? |
| 17:36.01 | aaronlin | my bad |
| 17:36.08 | pureone | if you want it to yes |
| 17:36.08 | hax | dvs: well, that's not going to do it, heh |
| 17:36.12 | sanxiyn | aaronlin: Debian includes KDE. Debian doesn't mandate any desktop. |
| 17:36.18 | hax | dvs: it's some module i'm missing in the kernel that should be built-in |
| 17:36.21 | aaronlin | I see. |
| 17:36.22 | TheAsp | fedora is cutting edge? |
| 17:36.23 | hax | dvs: and i can't figure out what it is |
| 17:36.26 | TheAsp | :P |
| 17:36.28 | liable | wtf |
| 17:36.30 | aaronlin | ok, I'll be back later, thanks. |
| 17:36.30 | dvs | hax: Oh. ok. |
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| 17:36.34 | sanxiyn | TheAsp: Like, stupid selinux thing. |
| 17:36.36 | rbochan | aaronlin: it's one of _many_ gui's available |
| 17:36.38 | grilledsalad | sanxiyn: does my error message make any sense? |
| 17:36.41 | sanxiyn | (Or 4k stack, or...) |
| 17:36.50 | dvs | hax: I thought that it was insisting that you specify an initrd file at boot |
| 17:36.52 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: Doesn't make any sense to me. Others may know. |
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| 17:37.05 | TheAsp | selinux is in debian |
| 17:37.06 | grilledsalad | ok |
| 17:37.08 | sanxiyn | TheAsp: Isn't Fedora cutting edge? |
| 17:37.18 | hax | dvs: no, i *dont* want initrd... and it's giving me that "VFS: can't mount root" error (thats not verbatim, but close) |
| 17:37.26 | sanxiyn | TheAsp: (Fedora >=3 includes default selinux policy for apache) |
| 17:37.28 | zebalin | Is there a bot on this board. First time here. |
| 17:37.29 | hax | dvs: and i know that if i run with initrd, it won't do that, but i don't know why |
| 17:37.40 | hax | dvs: (just from prior experience, people tell me using initrd is the 'fix') |
| 17:37.43 | liable | hax: dont compile, or keep trying.... |
| 17:37.44 | sanxiyn | TheAsp: Also, they are doing crazy things with GCJ. |
| 17:37.54 | sanxiyn | (Definitely bleeding edge) |
| 17:37.56 | TheAsp | *shrug* i hate fedora . . . :P |
| 17:37.59 | dvs | hax: It's either the filesystem or your IDE controller is a module |
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| 17:38.00 | hax | liable: i am compiling, and thats why i'm asking here |
| 17:38.08 | hax | dvs: thats what i thought, maybe it's the IDE |
| 17:38.16 | liable | hax: its a matter of geting the right stuff built in.. |
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| 17:38.19 | simonrvn | grilledsalad: looks like an installer bug to me |
| 17:38.39 | grilledsalad | simonrvn: what do i do about that? get another CD and try again? |
| 17:38.42 | zebalin | Does gaim still break KDE 3.3? Will it break 3.4? |
| 17:38.47 | liable | hax: so, go back, re-configure, build, try, fail, try again :P |
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| 17:38.52 | hax | liable: yeah, i know |
| 17:38.53 | sanxiyn | zebalin: gaim never broke KDE. |
| 17:39.05 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 17:39.08 | zebalin | sanxiyn: sorry, it was a lib that gaim calls. |
| 17:39.08 | sanxiyn | zebalin: It's KDE that need to do transition. |
| 17:39.14 | sanxiyn | zebalin: No. |
| 17:39.16 | hax | dvs: any idea where teh ide controller is in the kernel? |
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| 17:39.33 | AjLavJo | in the modules? |
| 17:39.51 | zebalin | sanxiyn: ok. but problem is still there, right. |
| 17:40.02 | hax | maybe it's ATA support? |
| 17:40.03 | sanxiyn | zebalin: Yes, if you are using unstable. Unstable is unstable. |
| 17:40.08 | dvs | hax: Device Drivers -> ATA/ATAPI/... support |
| 17:40.13 | hax | dvs: that'd be the problem then |
| 17:40.15 | hax | heh |
| 17:40.23 | zebalin | sanxiyn: thanx. yes, using unstable (Kanotix). |
| 17:40.37 | rbochan | er |
| 17:40.46 | sanxiyn | Therefore, don't use unstable. Really. |
| 17:40.51 | simonrvn | grilledsalad: re-run the installation of the packages - fix them first: do 'dpkg --configure --pending; dpkg --configure -a'. then run base-config if successful. then if that doesn't work, after a few tries (not base-config, the dpkg stuff), go to #debian-boot and ask them |
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| 17:40.56 | sanxiyn | (Lots of breakage ahead! :-) |
| 17:40.57 | liable | hax: ermm, in dev drivers, ide>? |
| 17:40.58 | dvs | hax: It's kinda hard to boot without a hard drive interface |
| 17:41.05 | hax | dvs: i agree |
| 17:41.06 | hax | heh |
| 17:41.16 | hax | ok, gotta reboot |
| 17:41.18 | hax | this shuold fix it though |
| 17:41.20 | hax | brb |
| 17:41.23 | grilledsalad | simonrvn: awesome, i'll try. thank you muchly |
| 17:41.24 | DoppelGanger | ah ah |
| 17:41.28 | sanxiyn | Oh, Classpath achieved 1 million source lines of code. |
| 17:42.37 | liable | cyzie1: what happened? |
| 17:42.58 | cyzie1 | liable, pm with darkskiez trying to fix this problem :) |
| 17:43.16 | liable | cyzie1: right.. |
| 17:43.20 | darkskiez | liable: had the same root lines for linux and for windows |
| 17:43.28 | liable | ok |
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| 17:43.49 | darkskiez | liable: but windows is on an extended partition, dont think it'll like that |
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| 17:46.47 | exobyte | I have a serial modem on /dev/ttyS0. Sould I use that for my modem or make /dev/modem a symlink to /dev/ttyS0? |
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| 17:47.19 | visik7 | doesn't matter |
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| 17:47.36 | cyzie | darkskiez, liable ... now error 12: invalid device requested |
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| 17:48.07 | darkskiez | I dunno now |
| 17:48.16 | cyzie | lol |
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| 17:48.31 | Thanatermesis | how to set the language in one new system debian with debootstrap ? |
| 17:48.36 | liable | exobyte: what are you using to dial? |
| 17:48.43 | visik7 | Thanatermesis dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:48.44 | cyzie | man...this is nightmare |
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| 17:49.26 | exobyte | liable: right now, kppp, but I'd like to use ppp (I think) later |
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| 17:49.42 | liable | exobyte: try wvdial |
| 17:49.49 | exobyte | ok |
| 17:50.08 | liable | exobyte: it should pick it up, configure, no worries. |
| 17:50.37 | exobyte | liable: cool. Does it set it up so I can dial from the console later? |
| 17:50.53 | liable | exobyte: yep |
| 17:51.02 | exobyte | sweet |
| 17:51.03 | exobyte | thx |
| 17:51.06 | liable | exobyte: its only console |
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| 17:51.19 | exobyte | oh, that's ok |
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| 17:51.35 | liable | exobyte: if you install it, when it installs, it'll config |
| 17:52.15 | Thanatermesis | visik7, this not set my system in another lang.... |
| 17:52.25 | liable | cyzie: paste your whole grub file on paster |
| 17:52.33 | cyzie | liable, hold on. |
| 17:52.48 | null | Hi, grub is fucked and I can't boot debian (and couldn't boot win before) - tinkering with the grub config files and grub-install i've managed to get Windows to boot but am having no look with Debian. |
| 17:52.50 | null | Any ideas? |
| 17:53.19 | exobyte | liable: huh- my modem isn't showing up. |
| 17:53.40 | exobyte | liable: and I know it works- windows liked it |
| 17:53.46 | exobyte | no, not a softmodem |
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| 17:53.51 | omfgtbh | o/ |
| 17:54.23 | liable | exobyte: hah, but do you need drivers for it? google it. |
| 17:54.31 | omfgtbh | How about those operating systems. |
| 17:55.05 | liable | exobyte: just cause its a serial modem, doesnt mean its a hardware modem.. |
| 17:55.21 | visik7 | Thanatermesis what do u mean with set the language ? which programs should change its output ? |
| 17:55.38 | omfgtbh | liable: Usually it does :) |
| 17:55.41 | exobyte | liable: well, I got it to work under linux before, a while ago. It's an old usr serial modem |
| 17:56.01 | liable | exobyte: sweet, find the driver.. |
| 17:56.07 | exobyte | damn |
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| 17:56.22 | exobyte | I'm not in a kernel compiling mood today |
| 17:56.28 | Jester | lol |
| 17:56.36 | Thanatermesis | visik7, for example in console, Im dpkg-reconfigure any and the language are english... |
| 17:56.40 | nickv111 | Hmm |
| 17:56.42 | liable | exobyte: doubt its a kernel module.. |
| 17:56.54 | nickv111 | Is there any way to move from sid to etch? |
| 17:56.58 | exobyte | liable: what do you think it is, then? |
| 17:57.04 | sanxiyn | nickv111: No. |
| 17:57.11 | nickv111 | I see |
| 17:57.15 | makki_xorg | anyone running x.org here ? |
| 17:57.21 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 17:57.21 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: Here. |
| 17:57.24 | nickv111 | Yes |
| 17:57.27 | SDFH_Linux | xorg:here |
| 17:57.30 | visik7 | Thanatermesis so change the locales and relogin |
| 17:57.45 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: Did you manage to make mozilla/galeon run using the macromedia flash plugin ? |
| 17:57.50 | liable | exobyte: dunno, google the exact model, see if there is a linux driver, I dont think its a hardware modem. |
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| 17:58.00 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: Flash works fine here. |
| 17:58.03 | nickv111 | Well, I can no longer use gaim, because libaspell15c2 requires that all of KDE be removed |
| 17:58.17 | nickv111 | It's probably related to the g++ ABI switch |
| 17:58.19 | sanxiyn | nickv111: Don't upgrade gaim then! |
| 17:58.22 | SDFH_Linux | same problem here |
| 17:58.29 | nickv111 | sanxiyn: Too late |
| 17:58.34 | sanxiyn | nickv111: Your previous version of gaim should work. |
| 17:58.46 | nickv111 | sanxiyn: I don't have a previous version of gaim. It's gone |
| 17:58.53 | SDFH_Linux | to late for me too i am using kopete now |
| 17:58.58 | nickv111 | Deleted when I did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:59.04 | sanxiyn | Try sdn. |
| 17:59.05 | sanxiyn | !sdn |
| 17:59.05 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 17:59.33 | nickv111 | Wow, thanks dpkg! |
| 17:59.45 | nickv111 | dpkg knows everything ;) |
| 17:59.53 | exobyte | sanxiyn: does that include ohh, was it pornview that actually had porn in it? |
| 18:00.00 | cyzie | liable, darkskiez plz join #flood, i will paste there now :) |
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| 18:00.12 | liable | nickv111: dpkg is a bot. |
| 18:00.17 | liable | cyzie: ok |
| 18:00.31 | FieldySnuts | !irritate nickv111 |
| 18:00.33 | dpkg | nickv111: wenas who uses sound lol |
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| 18:00.40 | Roman | Hello, I am just installing debian, I made a mistake with my X setup, is there a way to go back through the X windows setup procedure? |
| 18:00.40 | nickv111 | liable: Yes... I know |
| 18:00.52 | simonrvn | oh gwads, that's horrid |
| 18:00.54 | liable | nickv111: k, wasnt sure. |
| 18:00.58 | FieldySnuts | what is |
| 18:00.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:01.05 | nickv111 | Just because dpkg is a bot doesn't mean he can't know everything ;) |
| 18:01.08 | makki_xorg | SDFH_Linux: Did you make it run, mozilla + flash plugin ? |
| 18:01.14 | simonrvn | 'wenas who uses sound lol' |
| 18:01.15 | Jester | Roman, xorg-config or xf86config |
| 18:01.17 | sanxiyn | dpkg, sdn is also year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 18:01.17 | dpkg | sanxiyn: okay |
| 18:01.26 | Roman | Jester: thanks |
| 18:01.28 | liable | nickv111: indeed, hes a smart mother fucker :) |
| 18:01.37 | nickv111 | ;) |
| 18:01.42 | liable | s/hes/shes/its/ |
| 18:01.43 | pablum | !gender |
| 18:01.43 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 18:01.48 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
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| 18:01.53 | SDFH_Linux | ? makki_org |
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| 18:02.06 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: gender? |
| 18:02.06 | ravenbird | I'm pregnant |
| 18:02.06 | Jester | ? makki_xorg |
| 18:02.07 | liable | dpkg is confused |
| 18:02.07 | dpkg | And you're an idiot, liable. |
| 18:02.11 | FieldySnuts | ouch! |
| 18:02.12 | pureone | hahaha |
| 18:02.12 | liable | haha |
| 18:02.17 | Jester | lol |
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| 18:02.29 | FieldySnuts | !factinfo dpkg is confused |
| 18:02.29 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: there's no such factoid as dpkg is confused |
| 18:02.31 | FieldySnuts | die |
| 18:02.42 | cyzie | darkskiez, liable finished pasted my menu.lst |
| 18:02.46 | pureone | ~gender |
| 18:02.46 | apt | I'm pregnant |
| 18:02.51 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: Xorg and Flash plugin has no problem running together whatsoever, from what I can tell. |
| 18:02.56 | FieldySnuts | apt: gender? |
| 18:02.57 | apt | I'm pregnant |
| 18:02.59 | FieldySnuts | come on |
| 18:03.16 | SDFH_Linux | my flash is working fine |
| 18:03.19 | SDFH_Linux | on xorg |
| 18:03.19 | FieldySnuts | apt: gender? |
| 18:03.19 | apt | I'm gay |
| 18:03.19 | liable | !gender |
| 18:03.19 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 18:03.29 | Jester | =| |
| 18:03.32 | liable | wow, both of em |
| 18:03.36 | FieldySnuts | !tell apt about gay |
| 18:03.40 | pureone | haha |
| 18:03.44 | FieldySnuts | now that was pointless |
| 18:03.45 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: I found somewhere I should do set XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 but that does not fix it... |
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| 18:03.52 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: And it crashes here... |
| 18:03.52 | liable | !date dpkg |
| 18:03.58 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: It's not broken for me, so how can I know? |
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| 18:04.15 | liable | dpkg: you honky |
| 18:04.19 | nickv111 | I think I'm going to uninstall debian unstable and install debian sarge until this whole abi transition is over |
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| 18:04.30 | nickv111 | Erm... Etch |
| 18:04.37 | grilledsalad | is this the best place to go for installation problems? |
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| 18:04.59 | Jester | it depends if the solution can be found on the web |
| 18:05.17 | SDFH_Linux | downgrading gaim worked it seems |
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| 18:05.56 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: If you have problem with Debian Installer, you may mail debian-boot with installation report. |
| 18:06.00 | SDFH_Linux | spoke to soon |
| 18:06.03 | SDFH_Linux | no workie |
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| 18:06.30 | pureone | sdfh_linux whats the problem? |
| 18:06.44 | kuru | got a weird problem.. i switched the dns servers of a linux box and now the machine itself cannot recognize subdomains that live on the machine itself |
| 18:06.49 | grilledsalad | debian-boot@debian.org? |
| 18:07.03 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: debian-boot@lists.debian.org. |
| 18:07.06 | usn | dpkg, I love you |
| 18:07.06 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 18:07.18 | Jester | mouhaha |
| 18:07.22 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: Be prepared to answer their questions if you mail there. |
| 18:07.25 | Jester | dpkg is evil |
| 18:07.25 | grilledsalad | thanks |
| 18:07.41 | FieldySnuts | !love test |
| 18:07.44 | grilledsalad | is there a debian specific HCL around? |
| 18:07.47 | FieldySnuts | oh my |
| 18:07.54 | jme | haha |
| 18:07.56 | exobyte | liable: this is weird- while googling, I found firmware that claims it can bump this model up to 56k |
| 18:07.58 | jme | !love xorg |
| 18:08.07 | jme | :D |
| 18:08.11 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: Mmh, to what should i send a bugreport, mozilla or x.org ? |
| 18:08.12 | PeterB | Xorg is hairy! |
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| 18:08.43 | jme | heh |
| 18:08.55 | liable | exobyte: sure, whatver, just get the driver for it. |
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| 18:09.11 | exobyte | liable: that's still sucking right now |
| 18:09.31 | banedon | damn |
| 18:09.37 | banedon | I feel like taking off debian |
| 18:09.48 | ircdevil | !lart banedon |
| 18:09.48 | banedon | and putting xp in order to play myth 2 soulblighter |
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| 18:10.05 | banedon | I know I suck |
| 18:10.23 | pureone | only reason i boot windows nowadays is to run linux in vmware :| |
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| 18:10.35 | SDFH_Linux | i dont even bother |
| 18:10.37 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: From a brief Google search, that error seems to be related to different C++ compiler version. |
| 18:10.37 | ircdevil | heh |
| 18:10.38 | banedon | maybe I should do the whole dual bot thing |
| 18:10.39 | SDFH_Linux | anymore with windows |
| 18:10.54 | banedon | problem is I have emmachine restore disk not xp disk.... heh |
| 18:10.54 | SDFH_Linux | it feels dirty to me |
| 18:11.07 | sanxiyn | pureone: You can use qemu if you want fast virtual machine. |
| 18:11.34 | ircdevil | SDFH_Linux: it is - however, homebanking seems only to work with winblows and winblows explorer - wordwide fenomenon |
| 18:11.38 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: Mmh, that means it's a mozilla problem ? |
| 18:11.40 | pureone | good idea |
| 18:11.47 | banedon | crafty is one mean ass chess program |
| 18:11.51 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: I think Flash problem. |
| 18:11.53 | SDFH_Linux | my bank works fine firefox |
| 18:12.00 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: And that the plugin should be recompiled for the new mozilla... |
| 18:12.19 | SDFH_Linux | *with firefox |
| 18:12.22 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: Also, Flash plugin from Macromedia seems to be buggy (not respecing certain X protocol) |
| 18:12.28 | grilledsalad | what exactly is etch? |
| 18:12.34 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: See also https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1145 |
| 18:12.36 | valdyn | !etch |
| 18:12.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 18:12.40 | grilledsalad | !etch |
| 18:12.49 | sanxiyn | "...This is needed to keep Flash and other buggy apps from crashing" |
| 18:12.50 | banedon | do you guys have any problems setting up permissions for webapps like tomcat java etc. where the webapp running as user X can't get to some things and then stopps...? |
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| 18:13.04 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: And that also means there is a bug in the flashplugin-nonfree dependencies ? |
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| 18:13.20 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: I think bug is in Macromedia's code. |
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| 18:13.23 | kadigibox | Hello. I have a device from a jenson cd changer but it uses a PS/2 plug and it does get power from the PS/2 port. I am wondering what I can do to map the device and also to send ascii to the LCD console |
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| 18:13.28 | Hiruko | Hi |
| 18:13.41 | Hiruko | I am using kernel 2.6.11.2 right now and my usb mouse is not detected upon boot up |
| 18:13.53 | Hiruko | I am using /input/mouse for my mouse driver |
| 18:13.54 | debadmin | hi, just dropped in to say that migration from woody to sarge is pertty painless, thanks debian developers! |
| 18:13.59 | Hiruko | * in xfree86 |
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| 18:14.43 | Hiruko | I have also tried using explorer mouse wihtout success |
| 18:14.47 | makki_xorg | sanxiyn: Euhm, I have already tried the XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 fix. |
| 18:14.49 | sanxiyn | debadmin: Nice to hear that! |
| 18:14.58 | sanxiyn | makki_xorg: Perhaps some different problem. |
| 18:15.05 | jak | hello. im having trouble doing ordinary dns lookups in a chroot environment... any body knows how a dns request is executed exactly so i can locate the problem? (tried to use dig in chroot, but doesnt work either) |
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| 18:15.28 | rob_lt | Hiruko: my mouse locks up every ten minutes using all the 2.6.11 kernels, and I just tried 2.6.12-ck3 and it still locks up, FYI |
| 18:15.41 | jak | (dig fails saying something like "timeout, no servers could have been reached) |
| 18:15.51 | tchino | someone know a channel about auotomobile |
| 18:15.54 | Hiruko | Hmm |
| 18:15.55 | liable | Hiruko: you compiled it eh? |
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| 18:15.59 | Hiruko | My mouse doesn't have a chance to lock up |
| 18:16.00 | Hiruko | Yes |
| 18:16.03 | pureone | jak check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:16.06 | sanxiyn | jak: TCP and UDP port 53. |
| 18:16.06 | Hiruko | I selected the correct mouse stuff though. |
| 18:16.20 | liable | Hiruko: works with a debian one? |
| 18:16.23 | darkskiez | jak: the chrooted resolv.conf of course |
| 18:16.26 | Hiruko | no |
| 18:16.29 | Hiruko | Ack |
| 18:16.33 | Hiruko | It works with 2.4.27 |
| 18:16.38 | Hiruko | That's a debian image |
| 18:16.45 | hruske | jak, your /proc is mounted in chroot? |
| 18:16.49 | jak | darkskiez: humm, but i am searching for a host on the outta internat.. |
| 18:16.50 | liable | !2.6 input |
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| 18:16.54 | stew | hruske: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 18:16.56 | liable | gah |
| 18:16.57 | jak | hruske: no.. should it? |
| 18:16.57 | stew | err |
| 18:17.01 | hruske | jak, yes |
| 18:17.04 | stew | Hiruko: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 18:17.10 | Hiruko | ok |
| 18:17.12 | jak | hruske: "normal network connectiuons (setting up a server, etc work... |
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| 18:17.21 | ntilmans | i've got a quick general question about unstable |
| 18:17.26 | darkskiez | jak: you need a resolv.conf in your chroot environment too |
| 18:17.40 | ntilmans | any sort of very vague estimate about when this ABI thing will be mostly done? |
| 18:17.43 | Hiruko | kk i'll try that ^_^ |
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| 18:18.02 | jak | darkskiez: ok, i coppied it... |
| 18:18.29 | Hiruko | neither of those modules are found, psmouse nor mousedev |
| 18:18.29 | useruser | ntilmans: what kind of things has the ABI thing affected? |
| 18:18.39 | Hiruko | I thought I selected every mouse setting while compiling my kernel |
| 18:18.42 | Hiruko | I'm rather sure I did |
| 18:18.52 | ntilmans | gaim |
| 18:19.00 | ntilmans | it's dead for me at the moment |
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| 18:19.05 | ntilmans | due to library conflict |
| 18:19.20 | liable | ntilmans: sid? |
| 18:19.22 | ntilmans | normally upgrades are alright, but this one is just a little frustrating |
| 18:19.23 | ntilmans | yep |
| 18:19.24 | Khaz | I have a ? about java: can I configure system that way it would be able to see java? |
| 18:19.29 | stew | ntilmans: anything in the bts? |
| 18:19.33 | ntilmans | yep |
| 18:19.37 | liable | ntilmans: deal with it then :P |
| 18:19.44 | ntilmans | says that this is a problem with the ABI transition |
| 18:19.45 | Khaz | I tried to use bashrc |
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| 18:19.49 | sanxiyn | ntilmans: Yes. |
| 18:19.52 | ntilmans | and that it will be resolved eventually |
| 18:20.05 | Seb | are the linux-wlan-ng packaged in debian for kernels 2.6 ? |
| 18:20.14 | liable | ntilmans: give a few days/week |
| 18:20.16 | Khaz | but it does'n help Anjuta to see JVM |
| 18:20.20 | jak | okay, mounted proc and copied /etc/resolv.conf, but im still unable to lookup domains in my chroot... any ideas? THX |
| 18:20.22 | ntilmans | excellent |
| 18:20.23 | ntilmans | thanks |
| 18:20.26 | Seb | i can only find precompiled ones for 2.4.27, and no source at all so I can compile them myself for 2.6.11 :\ |
| 18:20.30 | Khaz | What script could I use? |
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| 18:20.41 | stew | Khaz: /topic ; /msg dpkg java |
| 18:20.41 | sepski | jak: nsswitch.conf ? |
| 18:21.05 | jak | sepski: ill give it a try :) |
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| 18:21.47 | Seb | anyone using wlan-ng with a 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 18:21.56 | Seb | willing to tell me how to get the source... ? |
| 18:22.02 | hruske | jak, strange, but you say you can lookup out of chroot? |
| 18:22.17 | mud_ | can someone point me in the right directon, i removed devfs recently and want to try static dev, need to mknod for audio to work i think, is there doc help me? |
| 18:22.17 | war- | are there any Etch iso's (100mb net-installs out?) |
| 18:22.28 | jak | hruske: yes, the connection si just find and im trying to setup exim in a chroot... |
| 18:22.30 | visik7 | not offically |
| 18:22.33 | war- | k |
| 18:22.46 | jak | hruske: oops, sorry.. strange keyboard around here :) |
| 18:23.42 | Hiruko | Heh |
| 18:23.48 | jak | hruske: maybe i forgot to copy a libary or something like that? i have libdns, etc... but maybe there is one missing |
| 18:23.52 | Hiruko | I was amazed on how much faster the 2.6 kernel booted up than the 2.4 |
| 18:23.54 | hruske | jak, well, for postfix chrooted you need FILES="etc/localtime etc/services etc/resolv.conf etc/hosts etc/nsswitch.conf" |
| 18:24.08 | grilledsalad | is there any way to choose not to install exim4 during a netinstall? |
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| 18:24.20 | jak | hruske: ok, thanks |
| 18:24.27 | stew | grilledsalad: you can replace it as soon as the install is finished |
| 18:24.32 | sepski | grilledsalad, not realy, but you can replace exim4 with another mta afterwards |
| 18:24.43 | grilledsalad | i think it may be messing up my installation |
| 18:24.45 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: It is a planned enhancement to debian installer. |
| 18:24.49 | sepski | grilledsalad, and no you cant run a nix eithout a mta |
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| 18:25.02 | sanxiyn | sepski: Not really. |
| 18:25.09 | hruske | sepski, you can |
| 18:25.23 | sepski | sanxiyn, hruske yes ofcouse, but not /normaly/ |
| 18:25.36 | sanxiyn | sepski: Depending on the definition of normal. |
| 18:25.47 | sanxiyn | Most users use webmail after all. |
| 18:25.49 | hruske | a mta can help, yes, greatly. |
| 18:25.55 | sepski | everything is possible, the impossible only takes longer. |
| 18:26.50 | grilledsalad | what does it mean if i get an error like this during installation? umount: /target/dev/pts: Invalid argument |
| 18:27.07 | sepski | sanxiyn, a debian comes with many things that depend on a mta. removing it will take more then just common knowledge, possible yes. worthwhile noway. |
| 18:27.11 | sanxiyn | grilledsalad: As someone already said, that sounds like an installer bug. |
| 18:27.29 | grilledsalad | ok |
| 18:27.42 | grilledsalad | i'm having tough luck with installers |
| 18:28.35 | sanxiyn | Brand new dpkg source format 2.0 nice. |
| 18:28.37 | sepski | grilledsalad, odd installer or new/odd hardware ? i'v never had problems with !d-i |
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| 18:29.19 | grilledsalad | i had debian on this hardware before. and i could have sworn it was with the same CD |
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| 18:29.35 | jak | darkskiez: oh, thanks, my chroot-dns works now... THX!! |
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| 18:30.10 | grilledsalad | is it generally bad to keep reformatting a hard drive and trying to install again? |
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| 18:30.21 | grilledsalad | bad for the hard drive i mean |
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| 18:30.32 | liable | grilledsalad: no , go go go.... |
| 18:30.35 | voqu | is gmail a good email service provider? |
| 18:30.44 | grilledsalad | heh i've been doing it all week |
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| 18:31.55 | sanxiyn | Ah, anyone asked about C++ ABI transition on unstable? |
| 18:31.58 | sanxiyn | You want to monitor http://people.debian.org/~djpig/gcc-transition/ |
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| 18:32.11 | sanxiyn | ntilmans: Ah, it was you. |
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| 18:32.44 | sanxiyn | There are 1116 more to go. (was 1778 a week ago) |
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| 18:36.57 | Starfury^ | just doing an apt-get upgrade and udev is failing it saying it needs a 2.6.12 or greater kernel, is it out yet on sid? |
| 18:37.34 | liable | Starfury^: downgrade udev |
| 18:37.35 | sanxiyn | Starfury^: Not yet. |
| 18:37.37 | visik7 | maybe installed |
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| 18:38.02 | FieldySnuts | that is *still* an issue? geez |
| 18:38.28 | liable | its a major fuck up |
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| 18:38.54 | FieldySnuts | the major fuck up is the dev who uploaded it has repeatedly made such major mistakes, and is allowed to do so, including in this case. worse yet, it hasn't been fixed. |
| 18:38.59 | Starfury^ | liable ok ta |
| 18:39.06 | liable | FieldySnuts: indeed |
| 18:39.34 | Starfury^ | how would i manually downgrade udev? |
| 18:39.50 | sanxiyn | From what I heard, udev will require >=2.6.12 kernel soon anyway. |
| 18:40.07 | Starfury^ | what is udev |
| 18:40.08 | liable | FieldySnuts: read the bug report, its really quite interesting (as i'm sure you have ) |
| 18:40.09 | Starfury^ | lol |
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| 18:40.35 | FieldySnuts | liable: oh i read the whole thing, pretty sad. all that matters is that many end users end up being screwed. but i guess that isn't important in regards to that dev |
| 18:40.50 | FieldySnuts | more important for him to be "right" |
| 18:40.54 | liable | FieldySnuts: apparently so.... |
| 18:41.08 | sanxiyn | FieldySnuts: Too bad, indeed. |
| 18:41.22 | sanxiyn | (It reminds me of diabling of Mozilla postscript printing.) |
| 18:41.23 | FieldySnuts | if you want some real fun, irritate mwilson about it heh |
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| 18:41.33 | sanxiyn | disabling |
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| 18:43.02 | liable | FieldySnuts: do you really actually need to irritate mwilson? :P |
| 18:43.15 | cahoot | FieldySnuts: you imply there are things that don't irritate him? |
| 18:43.23 | Phated | Of course you do. It's only a matter of accidentally, or purposefully. |
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| 18:44.34 | scorphus | hello. I'm yting to mount my digital camera with no success. dmesg return 'wakeup', 'new full speed USB device using address 3' and nothing else. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera returns special device does not exist! I did some search in google but no succes wither. any clue? |
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| 18:44.37 | tchino | where are the frozen mails by exim |
| 18:45.04 | sanxiyn | tchino: Look at the mailq. |
| 18:45.31 | liable | scorphus: install gphoto2 |
| 18:45.55 | SNow | How does the SVN package call ? |
| 18:45.56 | liable | scorphus: or, see if its supported with it... |
| 18:46.04 | sanxiyn | SNow: subversion |
| 18:46.05 | tchino | sanxiyn: then it shows six mails, where they are saved |
| 18:46.21 | sanxiyn | tchino: /var/spool/mail |
| 18:46.40 | sanxiyn | Eh, no. /var/spool/exim4 maybe. |
| 18:47.25 | sanxiyn | SNow: i.e. apt-get install subversion |
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| 18:47.49 | SNow | Thankyou alot |
| 18:47.54 | scorphus | liable: thanks |
| 18:48.15 | liable | scorphus: no problem |
| 18:48.45 | liable | bah 5am, must be bed time.. |
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| 18:49.08 | Boucman | hello all |
| 18:49.28 | Boucman | whenever I do a "apt-get update" it complains about missing sigs... |
| 18:49.35 | Boucman | where do I get them ??? |
| 18:49.36 | Boucman | thx |
| 18:49.51 | liable | Boucman: um from marillat? |
| 18:50.12 | Boucman | bot only |
| 18:50.16 | Boucman | not only |
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| 18:50.37 | Boucman | I also have from testing in ftp.de.debian.org |
| 18:50.47 | liable | Boucman: well, if you have un official repos, then deal with it.. |
| 18:50.59 | schrankwand | cu |
| 18:51.05 | Boucman | ftp.de.debian.org isn't official ? |
| 18:51.14 | visik7 | is official |
| 18:51.19 | liable | Boucman: you get sig errors from that? |
| 18:51.31 | guk | Hey ... how do I get cron to stop emailing me about every time it runs a cron process ... I have a cron process set for every 5 minutes and it keeps bothering me with emails |
| 18:51.47 | Boucman | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED |
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| 18:51.55 | ke6isf | guk: stick '> /dev/null' at the end of the cron job. |
| 18:52.08 | guk | oh |
| 18:52.10 | guk | your good |
| 18:52.10 | guk | thanks |
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| 18:52.44 | Roman | I am trying to get X setup on debian, I made a mistake when installing it with the settings, how can I reenter these settings? I have tried xF86config, but that is not the same. I can not find xorg-config on my system as jester suggested. |
| 18:52.44 | Boucman | the NO_PUBKEY part makes me think that no key is avalable whatsoever (rather than missing on my computer) but that's still weird |
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| 18:53.00 | PeterB | !drxx Roman |
| 18:53.00 | dpkg | Roman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:53.11 | Roman | thanks |
| 18:53.14 | liable | Boucman: apt-key list |
| 18:53.40 | ke6isf | my good what? |
| 18:53.51 | liable | Boucman: funny, if you update again, it should stop.. |
| 18:53.51 | mfrisch | how do you tell which ide module you are using? |
| 18:53.53 | Boucman | I have two keys from ftpmaster |
| 18:53.56 | Boucman | seems sane... |
| 18:54.02 | Boucman | want me to paste ? |
| 18:54.18 | Shadur | That's what #flood is for |
| 18:54.21 | dvs | mfrisch: dmesg |
| 18:54.46 | mfrisch | What do you grep? |
| 18:55.25 | liable | nite |
| 18:55.49 | Hiruko | arg |
| 18:55.53 | Hiruko | why won't this mouse work :( |
| 18:56.05 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 18:56.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:56.19 | Hiruko | um |
| 18:56.19 | liable | !2.6 mouse |
| 18:56.20 | dpkg | from memory, 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 18:56.25 | Hiruko | that wsa kind of talking to myself |
| 18:56.27 | Hiruko | sorry |
| 18:56.32 | Hiruko | =\ |
| 18:56.41 | Hiruko | I read that btw |
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| 18:56.49 | sanxiyn | Boucman: Do you have /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg? |
| 18:57.04 | sanxiyn | Boucman: Copy it to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg. |
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| 18:58.14 | dvs | mfrisch: Hmmm... I can't seem to find it. There used to be a test to see which controller type is the fastest. |
| 18:58.28 | Boucman | sanxiyn: files are identical... |
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| 18:59.21 | behrouz | how come debian linux doesn't detect my usb device |
| 18:59.37 | sanxiyn | Boucman: apt-get update |
| 18:59.44 | sanxiyn | (and then upgrade) |
| 18:59.45 | drac | behrouz: details please, like what device? |
| 19:00.01 | behrouz | drac: a zip drive, or usb memory |
| 19:00.08 | sanxiyn | behrouz: Works for me. |
| 19:00.20 | behrouz | how can i troubleshoot this |
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| 19:00.23 | mfrisch | dvs I recompiled. New kernel won't boot. Says it can't find vfs root |
| 19:00.26 | drac | behrouz: "modprobe sd_mod", "modprobe usb_storage" as root. |
| 19:00.30 | drac | !usb-storage |
| 19:00.31 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 19:00.50 | dvs | mfrisch: Then either the file system or IDE controller is compiled as a module. |
| 19:01.20 | Boucman | sanxiyn: doesn't change anything... |
| 19:01.29 | Boucman | well no big deal anyway... |
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| 19:02.05 | mfrisch | dvs I think I donot have the correct ide module, lspci says its intel what module is that? |
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| 19:03.17 | neiljp | weird question, but anyone know of (pref packaged) s/w for planning rooms of a house, ie. arranging furniture, etc.? |
| 19:03.36 | Smoked1 | I configured exim4 to use home directories and it created Maildir in the homes but qpopper is not seeing it for some reason. I set set home-dir-mail = "Maildir" in qpopper.conf but still no love. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? |
| 19:03.40 | dvs | mfrisch: Intel PIIXn chipset support |
| 19:04.27 | mfrisch | dvs the filesystem was set to module, THANKS |
| 19:04.36 | dvs | mfrisch: no problem |
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| 19:05.08 | shingouz | mfrisch: check the other needed modules too while you are at it. make them static unless you use initrd |
| 19:05.10 | shingouz | bah |
| 19:05.29 | behrouz | i did modprobe usb_storage as root but its telling me modprobe cant locate module usb_storage |
| 19:05.47 | drac | behrouz: uname -r ? |
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| 19:06.05 | dvs | behrouz: /exec -o uname -r |
| 19:06.25 | behrouz | drac: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 19:07.36 | behrouz | dvs: it says /exec file or directory doesn't exit |
| 19:07.41 | behrouz | *exists |
| 19:07.45 | dvs | behrouz: nevermind |
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| 19:09.22 | behrouz | how do i get the usb drive working |
| 19:10.09 | dvs | behrouz: You have to get the usb-storage module loaded |
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| 19:10.33 | mud_ | found my answer. /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices script fixed all that devfs killed WOOOHOO |
| 19:10.52 | behrouz | dvs: how od i get the usb-storage module loaded? thx |
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| 19:11.14 | calr0x | yay gaim is broken in sid >_< |
| 19:11.28 | dvs | behrouz: what does ls -l /lib/modules/2.4.27-2/kernel/drivers/usb/storage say? |
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| 19:11.59 | dvs | !smite the furby |
| 19:12.28 | furby | hey... |
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| 19:12.35 | ke6isf | mud_: What is that script for, curious? |
| 19:12.54 | behrouz | dvs: file or directory doesn't exists |
| 19:12.58 | moret | hi |
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| 19:13.10 | moret | I need a application in order to edit de music files tag |
| 19:13.23 | dvs | behrouz: what does "ls /lib/modules" say? |
| 19:13.24 | moret | can anyone help me |
| 19:13.34 | mud_ | ke6isf, it creates device nodes in /dev for alsa to work (hope i worded that right) |
| 19:13.55 | behrouz | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:13.55 | ke6isf | mud_: Hmm... shall try that on my wife's box, if she decides to try Deb again. Thanks. |
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| 19:14.14 | ke6isf | moret: what kind of music files? |
| 19:14.21 | dvs | behrouz: what does ls -l /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/usb/storage say? |
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| 19:15.21 | behrouz | total 76 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70170 2005-05-16 4:38 usb-storage.o |
| 19:15.54 | dvs | behrouz: The module is there. Type "modprobe usb-storage" as root |
| 19:16.01 | moret | ke6isf: all |
| 19:16.16 | ke6isf | moret: all? There are more formats than ways to leave your lover. Start with specifics. |
| 19:16.41 | behrouz | dvs: worked now!!! |
| 19:16.52 | dvs | behrouz: Why did it work before? |
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| 19:17.04 | dvs | *ddn't |
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| 19:18.12 | useruser | moret: musiclibrarian may be good for you (caveat: i've never used it) |
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| 19:19.47 | iproute | Hi all. |
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| 19:20.17 | iproute | Is there someone around who knows the basics or more about routing? |
| 19:20.33 | dvs | !wayttd iproute |
| 19:20.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iproute? |
| 19:21.23 | behrouz | dvs: no idea why it didnt' work before! but what should i do after loading the modules? |
| 19:21.27 | rbisping | anyone know cfs? |
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| 19:21.40 | iproute | dpkg: im on a dedicated server which has one main ip address |
| 19:21.52 | furby | ke6isf, I think that means there are at least fifty? |
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| 19:22.06 | ke6isf | furby: Bingo, but by exaggeration. |
| 19:22.07 | iproute | dpkg: and another /30 network with 4 addresses as additional ips |
| 19:22.16 | shingouz | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:22.16 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:22.19 | ke6isf | iproute: dpkg is a bot. dvs triggered him. |
| 19:22.31 | ke6isf | iproute: You might address dvs, as such. |
| 19:22.32 | furby | !love furby |
| 19:22.38 | iproute | ke6isf: lol! thanks! |
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| 19:22.56 | Nach | X.org packages entering unstable today; beware breakage! <--- About that. Should I report if something breaks? And why is it being entered when it's not stable yet? http://people.debian.org/~igloo/status.php?email=&packages=xorg-x11&arches= |
| 19:23.03 | mud_ | moret, easytag |
| 19:23.26 | Phated | Nach: Because it's being entered in "unstable"? |
| 19:23.37 | gobject | sarge has fontilus package? |
| 19:23.44 | Nach | Phated, they're putting it unstable only for half the archs? |
| 19:23.55 | light_punch2 | are the *.deb packages independent of kernel version? there are 14 cds totoal, how can they release verything in just a few months? |
| 19:24.02 | iproute | q |
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| 19:25.06 | Phated | Nach: <shrug> If they're not done building it, why would it be in? |
| 19:25.50 | Josch | Hi all. |
| 19:25.54 | Nach | Phated, I have no idea, and as of one hour ago X.Org did not build on half the archs |
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| 19:26.02 | gravity | I'm working on it |
| 19:26.03 | Josch | Anyone around who knows about routing?? |
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| 19:26.12 | gravity | Two arches left to be fixed |
| 19:26.19 | Josch | And has some time to help me? |
| 19:26.21 | Nach | gravity, ah, great |
| 19:26.23 | SJr|Tecra | I'm still on woody, I just ghosted a drive, and need to relilo it. |
| 19:26.25 | ke6isf | !wayttd Josch |
| 19:26.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Josch? |
| 19:26.27 | Phated | Nach: I mourn for you, truly I do. |
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| 19:26.28 | SJr|Tecra | re-lilo |
| 19:26.40 | SJr|Tecra | I can't find any disks. |
| 19:26.42 | SJr|Tecra | tho |
| 19:26.49 | SJr|Tecra | where are the rescue floppies on debian site |
| 19:26.50 | Nach | I'm a bit annoyed that libsdl-dev and gaim aren't working |
| 19:26.52 | SJr|Tecra | !rescue |
| 19:26.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
| 19:27.02 | Phated | Nach: Help fix them, then, |
| 19:27.04 | Phated | . |
| 19:27.18 | Nach | Phated, I'm working on packages that use them |
| 19:27.24 | Nach | well libsdl |
| 19:27.28 | Nach | GAIM I just want for myself |
| 19:27.47 | Phated | So... help to fix them if your packages depend on them. Or work with the maintainer for them. |
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| 19:28.01 | SubZer0 | wazzup |
| 19:28.12 | gobject | sarge has fontilus package? |
| 19:28.18 | Nach | Phated, right now it requires switching to X.Org, which I don't want to do till it's fixed |
| 19:28.25 | rhalff | hi what is there a simple way to create debian packages, I basically have a tarball with a php webinterface, some php cli scripts and a config file. when I use something like dh_make the whole structure kinda looks to complex to me, it seems that output is meant more for C programs or whatever. |
| 19:28.31 | Phated | Nach: Wait, then. |
| 19:28.42 | rhalff | s/hi what/hi,/ |
| 19:28.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell rhalff -about nm guide |
| 19:29.00 | rhalff | yeah tell me.. |
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| 19:29.15 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: after you read through that, and make a few packagse for trivial programs, you can write them by hand for larger ones. |
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| 19:29.31 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: the alternative is to look how similar packages are built (use apt-get source foopkg) |
| 19:29.42 | rhalff | but my packages is reallyyy trivial, just php scripts :) |
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| 19:29.46 | dondelelcaro | (the system really isn't all that complex) |
| 19:29.59 | dondelelcaro | rhalff: that doesn't matter. The packaging system is really simple. |
| 19:30.14 | rhalff | ok if you say so, thanks. |
| 19:31.28 | rhalff | i must say I find the new maintainers guide very simple to read btw. |
| 19:31.54 | gravity | The docs on the debian-women wiki have better packaging info than the new maintainer's guide anyway |
| 19:31.56 | _koval | ppl! who can help with configuring bttv on 2.6.8-2 with kworld 878rf (V-Stream Xpert TV-PVR)? |
| 19:32.15 | rhalff | gravity, what's the link ? :) |
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| 19:32.20 | gravity | rhalff: Google it |
| 19:32.31 | gravity | I don't have it offhand |
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| 19:37.08 | mud | _koval, bttv module loaded? |
| 19:37.10 | dondelelcaro | nm guide =~ s#guide/#guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper# |
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| 19:37.55 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Missed a !. |
| 19:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yeah, I just fixed it in /smg |
| 19:38.20 | dondelelcaro | s/sm/ms/ |
| 19:38.24 | Phated | Ah, K. :) |
| 19:38.54 | rhalff | very odd and pathetic woman need there own sub sub domain on debian. |
| 19:39.14 | rhalff | is there also negro.trunk.debian.org ? |
| 19:39.22 | Phated | ... |
| 19:39.23 | resiak | rhalff: Don't be a twat. |
| 19:40.27 | behrouz | tryin to make my usb drive work, i loaded the two modules storage and mod, added the entry in fstab, but when i try to mount /mnt/usb, i get errors saying 1./dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt/usb busy 2.according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is mounted on / how do i solve this plz help thx |
| 19:40.37 | wintix | in kernel 2.4.27 there is a ddriver for broadcom BCM5788 but in 2.6.11 there it is not. how comes? |
| 19:40.53 | wintix | how can i get the ehternet card up and running? |
| 19:41.03 | _koval | mud, yeap. i have no picture if input=televesion, but from composite input all ok |
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| 19:41.22 | nvz | behrouz: sounds to me like you are confused |
| 19:41.40 | _koval | mud, options are bttv card=78 tuner=5 radio=1 |
| 19:41.47 | nvz | behrouz: what about /etc/fstab which is really whats most significant here? |
| 19:41.48 | behrouz | nvz: just following the instructions |
| 19:42.26 | behrouz | nvz: i added the entry /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0 in fstab |
| 19:42.28 | concept10 | Has anyone noticed that firefox brings pages up slower in Linux than the windows version? |
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| 19:43.15 | rhalff | resiak, you are only confirming it: Twat is a vulgar expression that can be used to indicate the following: * the Vagina. |
| 19:43.52 | gravity | rhalff: I'm regretting helping you |
| 19:43.58 | gravity | rhalff: You're a complete fuck |
| 19:44.01 | Thanatermesis | any document with describes the processes of the configuration of debian ? |
| 19:44.16 | Thanatermesis | how are setted the environment, locales, characters and language? |
| 19:44.18 | SubZer0 | does debian come witha an installer like mandrake or do i have to edit file |
| 19:44.19 | SubZer0 | s |
| 19:44.32 | mud | re_koval oh yeah i had to do that there is a list on the net that has the right options my ati was card=64 tuner=2 |
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| 19:45.38 | knowledge_ | Can someone help me with installing a new kernel? I'm trying to patch it with alps.patch and it's not working |
| 19:45.58 | behrouz | i guess my usb detection problem is unsolvable |
| 19:46.27 | enveezee | behrouz: sounds to me like your problem was with /etc/fsta |
| 19:46.29 | enveezee | b |
| 19:46.32 | _koval | mud, my options right for my card.. :( |
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| 19:46.52 | enveezee | my problem is yet to be determined.. I cannot stay connected more than two minutes the past two days |
| 19:47.02 | libolt | hi, I upgraded a system from woody to sarge and all was working fine until I rebooted. Now the system can no longer obtain a dynamic ip from the cable modem. dhclient runs, but it gives something along the lines of "Eth0: network interface down" |
| 19:47.04 | greylion | Thanatermesis: have a look at /etc/profile /etc/lang /etc/environment and dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:47.12 | enveezee | who knows if you see what I just now typed I may be pining out right now :P |
| 19:47.17 | trevor | Hi, I have a few questions, is xorg in the latest debian iso? if i want to run latest packages do i need to upgrade to testing? |
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| 19:47.34 | libolt | I've let the system but up, done an ifconfig eth0 up, then tried running dhclient eth0, it says it obtains an ip, but it doesn't show up with ifconfig -a eth0 or route |
| 19:47.36 | gravity | trevor: Probably not on any iso. |
| 19:47.36 | trevor | libolt: compiled your module in your kernel for your nic? |
| 19:47.43 | trevor | gravity: sarge then? |
| 19:47.47 | gravity | trevor: No |
| 19:47.51 | libolt | trevor: the module loads fine, I've tried different network cards and everything |
| 19:47.52 | trevor | testing? |
| 19:47.52 | rhalff | grafity, thanks for pointing me to google, I didn't know it existed. |
| 19:47.54 | Thanatermesis | thanks greylion |
| 19:47.59 | gravity | trevor: There's a backport for sarge. Not in testing either. Only unstable. |
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| 19:48.08 | mud | _koval try tvtime yet? might help |
| 19:48.08 | trevor | wowzah. |
| 19:48.10 | greylion | Thanatermesis: and don't forget that .bashrc or bash_profile in home directory overrides /etc/profile |
| 19:48.10 | enveezee | I have a strange feeling someone on my lan is downloading the whole damn internet. I just went around and verified mac ids so I can tell who's who |
| 19:48.11 | trevor | how come? |
| 19:48.18 | shingouz | libolt: uname -a |
| 19:48.20 | gravity | trevor: It'll be in testing in (hopefully) a week and a half |
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| 19:48.23 | looksaus | ok, I did something really stupid: on a knoppix box crossgraded to Debian etch |
| 19:48.26 | gravity | trevor: It currently isn't built on a few arches |
| 19:48.31 | gravity | That's being fixed though |
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| 19:48.42 | trevor | Ohh... thanks gravity i'll wait a week then :) |
| 19:48.42 | looksaus | I accidentally removed the kernel-image packages |
| 19:48.43 | trevor | thanks. |
| 19:48.48 | resiak | looksaus: So install a new one! |
| 19:48.49 | gravity | No problem |
| 19:49.00 | trevor | very strange... but great :) see ya |
| 19:49.14 | Pego | do last sarge installer work with evms ? |
| 19:49.15 | looksaus | resiak: any suggestions on the best way to do so? |
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| 19:49.26 | concept10 | What is the maximum number I should set this to in Firefox about:config ?? network.http.pipelining.maxrequests -> 8 |
| 19:49.37 | trevor | libolt: its in ifconfig -a or lsmod? |
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| 19:49.52 | trevor | no error reports in /var/log? its in dmesg as well? |
| 19:50.02 | trevor | there is a "carrier?" |
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| 19:50.22 | looksaus | an system on which lilo boots the initrd ok, but there is no further "real" kernel image legt |
| 19:50.32 | looksaus | how do I fix this best? |
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| 19:50.52 | libolt | trevor: I see the driver load at bootup, and ifconfig -a eth0 shows the network card, but the IP doesn't get attatched |
| 19:51.01 | trevor | libolt: any error log? |
| 19:51.04 | dondelelcaro | looksaus: boot off of rescue media and install a real kernel |
| 19:51.10 | libolt | unfortunately I can't copy and paste anything from that system right now since I have a laptop plugged directly into the cable line |
| 19:51.23 | trevor | libolt: does the ifconfig eth0 show "no carrier" *gotta ask to make sure* :> |
| 19:51.34 | trevor | oh so there is an error? |
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| 19:51.52 | Smoked1 | I am having trouble getting qpopper to work right. What is another good pop3d? |
| 19:52.25 | dondelelcaro | dovecot |
| 19:52.29 | exobyte | Anyone here ever use a usrobotics sportster external modem? |
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| 19:52.38 | libolt | no it doesn't show "no carrier" |
| 19:52.38 | enveezee | exobyte: no, why? |
| 19:52.43 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 19:52.43 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:52.45 | Smoked1 | dovecot uses pop3? |
| 19:52.51 | exobyte | enveezee: I'm trying to get it working |
| 19:52.57 | trevor | libolt: any error reports in /var/log? |
| 19:52.57 | enveezee | exobyte: those things shold be real easy to use, turn it on, plug it in |
| 19:53.00 | trevor | for your dhclient |
| 19:53.11 | enveezee | exobyte: old serial phone modem? or what? |
| 19:53.20 | exobyte | enveezee: I know.. I know it's on /dev/ttyS0, but I can't get anything else to work |
| 19:53.39 | exobyte | enveezee: 33.6 faxmodem, so not all that old |
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| 19:53.41 | libolt | ok here's what dhclient gives: dhclient: send_packet: Network is down |
| 19:53.43 | mud_ | version |
| 19:53.55 | libolt | that's when the cable is plugged in tight |
| 19:53.56 | exobyte | enveezee: I got it to work in debian before, but I forgot how. It works in windows now |
| 19:53.57 | behrouz | what is a 'valid block device'? |
| 19:54.11 | pipeline | behrouz: Depends on what you're doing. |
| 19:54.19 | Smoked1 | dovecot only uses IMAP right? |
| 19:54.33 | resiak | looksaus: apt-get install kernel-image-badgermushroomsnake |
| 19:54.36 | valdyn | exobyte: echo "ATD123123" > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:54.46 | behrouz | trying to make my usb drive work, how do i know which is a valid block device in the dev directory |
| 19:55.03 | greylion | exobyte: got ppp installed? |
| 19:55.15 | exobyte | valdyn: I did ATDTsomenumber earlier. it clicked |
| 19:55.17 | resiak | behrouz: `dmesg` |
| 19:55.22 | exobyte | greylion: yup |
| 19:55.28 | valdyn | exobyte: so its working... |
| 19:55.41 | greylion | exobyte: and pppconfig? |
| 19:55.50 | behrouz | resiak: what is dmesg |
| 19:56.00 | exobyte | greylion: I was trying umm, vwdial (or wv, dunno) |
| 19:56.02 | valdyn | exobyte: i think you didnt tell us what else you want to do with it |
| 19:56.18 | resiak | behrouz: It's a command. Plug your usb stick in and run it. |
| 19:56.22 | exobyte | valdyn: you're right. I want to connect to the internet |
| 19:56.29 | Thanatermesis | greylion, Im not have /etc/lang |
| 19:56.37 | exobyte | valdyn: normal dialup connection, notihng special |
| 19:56.42 | valdyn | exobyte: run pppconfig then ( iirc ) |
| 19:56.47 | greylion | Thanatermesis: yeah, forget /etc/lang - my mistake |
| 19:56.50 | libolt | the weird thing about this is that the second NIC in the box which I have assigned a static IP works just fine, it doesn't matter what network card I have as the secondary either |
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| 19:57.03 | behrouz | resiak: what does it show and how can i use it to make my usb drive work? thanks |
| 19:57.04 | nvz | ok I am faily sure my fathers laptop is 0wned |
| 19:57.12 | resiak | behrouz: Why not run it? |
| 19:57.14 | greylion | Thanatermesis: language setting is in /etc/environment |
| 19:57.15 | FieldySnuts | !hack nvz's dad |
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| 19:57.24 | exobyte | valdyn: I will when I reboot the system in linux. I don't need any drivers, though? I was also trying to do serial redirection, but that didn't work |
| 19:57.32 | FieldySnuts | not a pleasant thought |
| 19:57.47 | behrouz | resiak: i already run it |
| 19:57.51 | valdyn | exobyte: you need 'ppp' installed. Modems do not need drivers. |
| 19:58.05 | resiak | !tell behrouz -about usb-storage |
| 19:58.19 | exobyte | valdyn: I'm 99% sure it was. I installed kppp, and I think it's a dep |
| 19:58.26 | nvz | he has now 9 entries on the NAT table, for 10.0.0.13 and is getting hits on ports like he's in the middle of a packet firing range.. and most of them are being blocked |
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| 19:58.45 | exobyte | valdyn: wvdial (or whatever) didn't detect the modem. That's the thing |
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| 19:59.04 | valdyn | exobyte: maybe it was not run as root or by a user who is in the dialout group |
| 19:59.04 | exobyte | valdyn: and sredird didn't work when I tried to connect. It was configured correctly |
| 19:59.13 | exobyte | valdyn: I was root |
| 19:59.17 | greylion | exobyte: you also need to put the login and passwd to your isp in /etc/ppp/somewhere |
| 19:59.17 | nvz | I thought it was someone else, but after checking the windows network identification and mac id, its definatly that pc |
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| 19:59.44 | behrouz | resiak: i've already followed those instructions, but sda1 device is already mounted and i can't use it, when i try to use other devices it says its not a valid device block |
| 19:59.46 | FieldySnuts | a network with a windows machine is automatically no longer secure |
| 20:00.04 | valdyn | exobyte: you sure dont need sredird, i have no idea what wvdial does. |
| 20:00.17 | nvz | FieldySnuts: I'm the only wired linux box on this network. they are all wireless windows machines. |
| 20:00.18 | libolt | I've booted into the sarge installer on the machine and it was able to obtain an IP without any issues. The kernel I'm using is 2.4.31 patched with openswan 2.1.6, it's the exact same configuration I used under 2.4.30 when I built that kernel under woody |
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| 20:00.27 | valdyn | exobyte: if however atdt works then the modem is 'found' and working. |
| 20:00.28 | FieldySnuts | nvz: nasty. |
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| 20:00.38 | behrouz | resiak: cant mount it on /mnt/usb, its telling me sda1 is already mounted |
| 20:00.47 | beardy | exobyte: You do have a real modem, not some winmodem/softmodem or simillar crap? |
| 20:00.52 | exobyte | greylion: maybe this will help- wvdial didn't work couldn't find my modem and kdial or kppp got stuck on waiting ofr ok |
| 20:00.56 | supsup | Hi guys. Something on my computer is really messed up. Everytime I try to boot I get libdl.so.2 can't be found error, it won't let me log in as anything. I have no idea what could have caused this, it was working fine the other day and I'm the only one with root password. The only thing that it could have been is hard shutdowns, because I think some people don't shut it down right, but can that really corrupt the HDD like that? |
| 20:01.00 | valdyn | usr sportster are real modems |
| 20:01.12 | FieldySnuts | not all of them are |
| 20:01.16 | exobyte | beardy: It's an external (serial) USRobotics 33.6 sportster |
| 20:01.17 | resiak | behrouz: Run `mount | grep sda` |
| 20:01.19 | nvz | FieldySnuts: you could probably read my mind through my dads laptop with all the air waves its going beeming through here.. luckily I got my tin foil hat on :) |
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| 20:01.31 | greylion | exobyte: and you need to pick/choose the right authentication (chap or something) |
| 20:01.52 | nvz | I stay close to the floor too :P it helps |
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| 20:01.53 | exobyte | greylion: it was before that. kppp didn't even dial |
| 20:01.57 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:02.27 | nvz | thats a good sign |
| 20:02.34 | behrouz | resiak: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 20:02.39 | nvz | enveezee timed out before me |
| 20:02.46 | nvz | of course I am next |
| 20:02.48 | Wyzard | /etc/passwd- (note the trailing hyphen) is a backup of /etc/passwd, right? |
| 20:02.54 | resiak | behrouz: So try sdb for your usb stick! |
| 20:02.57 | aedwards_ | how does one send console output to a serial interface? |
| 20:03.17 | greylion | exobyte: ok, I'm out of ideas - it's been years since I used a modem |
| 20:03.18 | behrouz | resiak: i already did that but it told me its not a valid device block! |
| 20:03.29 | exobyte | greylion: same here ;) |
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| 20:03.53 | valdyn | aedwards_: hmm? you want to redirect output of some program to a serial interface? |
| 20:03.55 | supsup | Hi guys. Something on my computer is really messed up. Everytime I try to boot I get libdl.so.2 can't be found error, it won't let me log in as anything. I have no idea what could have caused this, it was working fine the other day and I'm the only one with root password. The only thing that it could have been is hard shutdowns, because I think some people don't shut it down right, but can that really corrupt the HDD like that? |
| 20:04.13 | beardy | exobyte: I've only used ppp (pon) to connect to an ISP, but if I remember correctly all I did was run pppconfig, configured it correctly of course, and then use 'pon' as root, or as a user if you let him be aprt of the dialout group. |
| 20:04.24 | nvz | supsup: what version of debian is it? |
| 20:04.29 | aedwards_ | valdyn: Yes...like syslog |
| 20:04.32 | sigma957 | supsup: did you upgrade anything recently? |
| 20:04.43 | tbx | two things - how do I make "df" default to "-h"? and once upon a time I used a distro wherein "s" was equivalent to "cd ..". Was that a bash thing, or how would I "make that so" here? |
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| 20:05.03 | nvz | tbx: yeah its called an alias |
| 20:05.06 | valdyn | aedwards_: $ someprogram 2>&1 > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:05.07 | mud | tbx try alias? |
| 20:05.10 | supsup | aedwards_: Sarge AMD64 sigma957: no |
| 20:05.25 | nvz | tbx: put it in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile or something |
| 20:05.43 | valdyn | aedwards_: if you want to log everything that is going on on one console.. 'man typscript' |
| 20:05.46 | valdyn | aedwards_: if you want to log everything that is going on on one console.. 'man typescript' |
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| 20:05.50 | aedwards_ | valdyn : Better yet can I set up a serial port for a terminal...just like cisco. |
| 20:05.52 | rbochan | exobyte: if/when you come up with a solution, I'd appreciate if you'd let me know.. I was having a similiar issue |
| 20:06.01 | Teufel | Can someone help me with exim? I have it set up correctly so that it can send out mail but whenever someone sends one to the server, it bounces |
| 20:06.03 | beardy | exobyte: Use minicom to check if the modem is feeling allright. |
| 20:06.19 | valdyn | aedwards_: getty |
| 20:06.51 | exobyte | beardy: I'll look into minicom. thx |
| 20:06.56 | aedwards_ | valdyn: cool...I will check it out. |
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| 20:07.11 | exobyte | off to reboot the other system. I love having broadband!! |
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| 20:07.35 | prime | HI, I'm quite new to Linux. Wondering if anyone can help me. When I apt-get something, it downloads the packages then can't install due to aspell-en not existing. |
| 20:07.37 | tbx | nvz: "man alias" No manual entry for alias |
| 20:07.40 | Tecky` | how do i reconfigure postfix after installing it via ports? |
| 20:07.59 | skel | prime: try an apt-get update |
| 20:08.00 | tbx | nvz: alias --help : alias: usage: alias [-p] [name[=value] ... ] , which isn't exactly clear. |
| 20:08.24 | prime | skel: when i do, i get the same deal |
| 20:08.34 | prime | is there way of just updating aspell-en? |
| 20:08.35 | skel | prime: can you msg me the exact error |
| 20:08.40 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 20:08.47 | prime | yeah give me a sec |
| 20:08.52 | greylion | Tecky`: 'installing it via ports'? |
| 20:08.56 | skel | tbx: isn't alias a function of the shell? |
| 20:09.02 | tbx | prime: I find aptitude easier to use that apt-[whatever]. YMMV. |
| 20:09.03 | Wyzard | prime: What's the actual error message you get? |
| 20:09.15 | aedwards_ | valdyn: so getty will allow me to hook up a serial cable to my linux book and create a terminal connection? |
| 20:09.23 | tbx | skel: I couldn't tell ya. I'm only slightly less new that prime... :) |
| 20:09.24 | Tecky` | greylion: yes "apt-get install postfix" ... comes up w/ a configuration option ... i went w/ the default not thinking ... (which is LOCALDELIVERY) |
| 20:09.34 | greylion | aedwards_: yes, or check out gtkterm |
| 20:09.36 | furby | tbx, alias is a builtin for bash: man bash or 'info bash' |
| 20:09.38 | tbx | s /n/t |
| 20:09.39 | skel | aedwards_: mgetty or agetty |
| 20:09.40 | Phated | Tecky`: dpkg=reconfigure postfix? |
| 20:09.43 | supsup | prime: yeah, if you can't get it to work with apt-get, try aptitude. It's usually a lot easier to fix things with. |
| 20:09.56 | valdyn | aedwards_: yea, look at /etc/inittab for examples ( its already used by default for your virtual consoles, "true" serial ports work the same ) |
| 20:09.56 | Phated | s/=/-/ |
| 20:10.01 | tbx | furby: ah, thanks. |
| 20:10.01 | greylion | Tecky`: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 20:10.18 | Wyzard | supsup: aptitude vs. apt-get has nothing to do with whether a package exists, though |
| 20:10.18 | prime | tbx: what is aptitude? |
| 20:10.22 | Tecky` | thank you |
| 20:10.27 | Tecky` | i didn't know the correct syntax |
| 20:10.28 | Wyzard | prime: What is the error message you get? |
| 20:10.39 | supsup | Hi guys. Something on my computer is really messed up. Everytime I try to boot I get libdl.so.2 can't be found error, it won't let me log in as anything. I have no idea what could have caused this, it was working fine the other day and I'm the only one with root password. I'm using Debian Sarge AMD64 and I haven't updated anything in a long time, except GAIM to 1.4.0, but that was several days ago and didn't cause any issues then. |
| 20:10.52 | tbx | prime: it does what apt-get and apt-search and apt-it-all does, but under one command instead of multiple. |
| 20:10.54 | prime | i'm trying to get a small package to test with, i got 56k so it's being slow... |
| 20:11.09 | beardy | aedwards_: Just uncomment this line "T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt102", change it to suit your needs, in your /etc/inittab |
| 20:11.14 | prime | tbx: i'll try that on aspell-en now... |
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| 20:11.39 | mud | supsup: u tried recovery more and installing missing library or removing gaim? |
| 20:11.59 | exobyte | beardy: yea!! minicom is installed |
| 20:12.02 | supsup | I can't log in to recovery mode either, so I can't do anything. |
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| 20:12.27 | Teufel | Can someone help me with exim? I have it set up correctly so that it can send out mail but whenever someone sends one to the server, it bounces |
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| 20:12.38 | EtelE | hi all |
| 20:12.38 | Wyzard | supsup: Boot with "init=/bin/bash" and you'll get a root prompt... then "mount / -o remount,rw" to get write access |
| 20:12.39 | exobyte | beardy: uh oh.. I'm not sure what's next |
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| 20:12.55 | EtelE | can somebody help me |
| 20:13.06 | valdyn | supsup: boot knoppix or something like that, mount your root disk, copy the proper libdl there. |
| 20:13.13 | valdyn | supsup: into /lib/ |
| 20:13.13 | Wyzard | supsup: You'll need to configure your network settings manually while booted that way, if you need network access |
| 20:13.16 | EtelE | I have some trouble with my debian |
| 20:13.23 | sigma957 | EtelE: just ask your question |
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| 20:13.31 | Wyzard | supsup: libdl.so.2 is part of the "libc6" package, so I'd try reinstalling that |
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| 20:13.52 | EtelE | I have a P4 3 GHz HT machine |
| 20:14.36 | enveezee | I need more logs than I have right now and more eyes too |
| 20:14.38 | EtelE | if I compile a new kernel to use HT my machine freezes |
| 20:14.51 | Wyzard | EtelE: You don't need to compile a custom kernel just to get SMP support |
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| 20:15.06 | Wyzard | EtelE: There are "-smp" variants of the precompiled kernel-image packages |
| 20:15.07 | EtelE | how do I that? |
| 20:15.07 | tbx | furby: okay, I have scrolled down through man bash to the ALIASES section, and now I know everything I need to know about aliases.... except for the friggin SYNTAX for setting one! |
| 20:15.14 | enveezee | If'n I had a hub or switch I could setup more heads, and it would be close to having more eyes |
| 20:15.19 | Wyzard | EtelE: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 20:15.22 | EtelE | ther comes my problem |
| 20:15.23 | valdyn | Teufel: what is the part after @ in your mails, what is dc_other_hostnames set to in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and what is in /etc/mailname |
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| 20:15.28 | EtelE | if I uses that |
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| 20:15.42 | EtelE | the same is happaning |
| 20:15.48 | EtelE | it freeses |
| 20:15.58 | exobyte | How can I query a modem, see if it says hi? |
| 20:16.02 | Wyzard | EtelE: So it's not an issue of a custom kernel; your system just freezes when you use an SMP kernel |
| 20:16.04 | enveezee | it would also make my logs less complicated if I just create my own little subnet, which I think I am about to do |
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| 20:16.30 | Wyzard | EtelE: Your current kernel is probably the -386 version of either 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 20:16.40 | Wyzard | EtelE: Try kernel-image-2.6-686 (no SMP) and see if that works |
| 20:16.51 | EtelE | is 2.6.8-686-2 |
| 20:16.55 | EtelE | default kernel |
| 20:17.33 | Wyzard | OK... so your trouble is in switching from the standard 2.6 non-SMP to the standard 2.6 SMP |
| 20:17.36 | Wyzard | That narrows it down a lot |
| 20:17.47 | tbx | furby: .... ah, I have stumbled upon it. typing "alias" with nothing at all... lists all aliases currently set, conveniently in the syntax needed to set one. FFR... |
| 20:17.50 | beardy | exobyte: Configure minicom to use the serial port on which the modem is connected. Ctrl-A z, o, "Serial port setup" |
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| 20:17.53 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, I don't have much SMP experience, and I can't think of what would cause that... maybe someone else can |
| 20:18.05 | EtelE | ok |
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| 20:18.17 | xirtam_ | hmm, i use sid and changed to xorg ... (ati radeon 9000 / 64MB) using xfree86 this was very stable on xorg the display freezes from time to time without any log or error-message ... any ideas? |
| 20:18.18 | EtelE | and I have another prblem |
| 20:18.24 | Wyzard | EtelE: It would help to mention at what point in the boot sequence it hangs |
| 20:18.24 | Teufel | valdyn: it's @mountainshowers.com, I have both localhost.localdomain and mountainshowers.com via dc_other_hostnames, and have mountainshowers.com in /etc/mailname |
| 20:18.32 | EtelE | if a compile a new kernel I loos my PS2 mouse |
| 20:18.54 | Wyzard | EtelE: Again, you don't need to compile a custom kernel |
| 20:18.57 | EtelE | it boots up perfectly |
| 20:19.04 | beardy | exobyte: Or Ctrl-a o directly, but z gives you a help screen. |
| 20:19.11 | EtelE | but my console is frozen |
| 20:19.14 | valdyn | Teufel: look out for typos ) |
| 20:19.14 | Wyzard | EtelE: You probably left out the PS/2 driver from your custom kernel |
| 20:19.20 | EtelE | no |
| 20:19.29 | EtelE | it's in it |
| 20:19.31 | tbx | awexome! |
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| 20:19.42 | greylion | EtelE: or you forgot to load the driver |
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| 20:20.09 | supsup | how do I boot with "init=/bin/bash" |
| 20:20.10 | valdyn | Teufel: no idea otherwise, what does the exim4 log say about it? |
| 20:20.10 | EtelE | I compiled it in the kernel not in module |
| 20:20.14 | enveezee | looks like most I can do is setup a router for one box.. can only find 2 more nics |
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| 20:20.30 | enveezee | wonder if I should use the HP VectraVL or the IBM Aptiva |
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| 20:20.39 | Wyzard | EtelE: Dunno then... considering all the possible kernel configuration options, that's not a problem that can be easily troubleshooted over IRC |
| 20:21.00 | EtelE | hmmm.... thx |
| 20:21.05 | Wyzard | EtelE: Generally you should only compile a custom kernel if you know what you're doing and have a specific need for it... if the precompiled kernel meets your needs, use that |
| 20:21.17 | xirtam_ | is xorg stable on ati radeon 9000 cards? |
| 20:21.25 | Wyzard | EtelE: Unless you have some other specialized need besides the SMP, I don't think you need a custom kernel |
| 20:21.33 | EtelE | thx |
| 20:21.43 | Teufel | valdyn: ther are like 10 different logs, but I can't seem to find any mention of it not working in either |
| 20:21.48 | mud | xirtam_, yes |
| 20:22.00 | EtelE | thx a lot for the help |
| 20:22.11 | valdyn | Teufel: so you dont really know if mails are 'bounced' ? which hosts are you intending to accept mails from? any? |
| 20:22.33 | xirtam_ | mud: it freezes the display from time to time without log or error message ... xfree86 was running very stable ... any ideas? |
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| 20:22.55 | mud | xirtam_, u use fglrx? |
| 20:23.02 | Teufel | valdyn: I do know if mails are bounced... I'm sending them from my hotmail account |
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| 20:23.28 | valdyn | Teufel: yea, but hotmail is telling you that it cannot deliver? or is your mailer sending yuou a mail that it wont accept the mail from hotmail? |
| 20:23.38 | BeEbAcK | hy all |
| 20:23.48 | Teufel | valdyn: hotmail saying it can't deliver |
| 20:24.02 | valdyn | Teufel: right, that's what i thouight, i cant send you mails either from here. |
| 20:24.09 | Teufel | valdyn: makes me think I have a DNS issue, but I'm pretty sure it's right |
| 20:24.25 | valdyn | Teufel: whats your ip supposed to be? |
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| 20:24.42 | mud | xirtam_, your display could be freezing for a number of reasons |
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| 20:24.55 | valdyn | Teufel: Trying 67.164.189.200.. is what i get for mountainshowers.com |
| 20:24.57 | parity_ | hello! |
| 20:25.03 | Teufel | valdyn: thats right |
| 20:25.09 | xirtam_ | mud: flgrx is installed |
| 20:25.22 | riddlebox | I need perl-gtk2 but I do not see it in apt-get? |
| 20:25.23 | Teufel | valdyn: well that is my router, and yes I have smtp and pop forwarding set up to linux comp |
| 20:25.40 | xirtam_ | mud: in xorg.conf i use: Identifier "ATI Radeon 9000" |
| 20:25.40 | xirtam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.44 | valdyn | Teufel: maybe your isp is blocking that port? |
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| 20:26.02 | Teufel | valdyn: It's comcast cable... why would they do that? |
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| 20:26.04 | Fluten | i have been having really bad performance with nfs, it transfers really slowly sending some data, pausing, and then starting again. It is doing this wheather i use the kernel or user server, and is the same no matter which machine i put the server on |
| 20:26.05 | jharrison | hey |
| 20:26.15 | jharrison | can pci-x cards be used in pci slots? |
| 20:26.18 | Fluten | would enabling "NFS version 3" in the kernel get better performance? |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn | Teufel: i got connection refused for both ports. |
| 20:26.43 | parity_ | Im accessing my server by serial console (ttyS0, with minicom). the problem is: sometimes, everything typed/printed there is in capital letters |
| 20:26.53 | Teufel | vadyn: does it work for like port 80? I know ssh is working fine... wtf |
| 20:26.54 | valdyn | Teufel: either your isp is an asshole or your havent really activated the port forwarding ( properly ) |
| 20:26.58 | mud | xirtam_, i use "generic video card" and works fine |
| 20:27.05 | Gnea | Fluten: believe it or not, i get better performance with samba |
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| 20:27.09 | valdyn | Teufel: 80 works |
| 20:27.11 | xirtam_ | mud: as driver? |
| 20:27.18 | Teufel | valdyn: I did it the same way that I did for ssh, http, ftp ect... |
| 20:27.20 | valdyn | Teufel: Connected to c-67-164-189-200.hsd1.co.comcast.net. |
| 20:27.27 | dk0r_ | anyone bored and want to walk a beginner through compiling ? |
| 20:27.32 | mhall | Is there a way to tell the packaging system that I realize two packages conflict, I took care of it, and the conflict should be ignored? |
| 20:27.39 | enveezee_ | I'm fed up with this shit.. both them mofukkas are off the MAC list until I figure this shit out |
| 20:27.41 | greylion | dk0r: compiling what? |
| 20:27.45 | mhall | Teufel: Haven't seen you in for-fucking-ever. How goes it? |
| 20:27.56 | dk0r_ | greylion: kompose and kismet |
| 20:27.58 | mhall | enveezee_: what happened? |
| 20:27.59 | valdyn | Teufel: ssh works. |
| 20:27.59 | mud | xirtam_, no Identifier ; driver "fglrx" in xorg.conf |
| 20:28.02 | Teufel | mhall: going ok hehe... just want to figure this stupid mail thing out <sigh> |
| 20:28.10 | scorphus | what modules are necessary for a digital camera with USB connection work properly? |
| 20:28.11 | mhall | Teufel: f0ck |
| 20:28.13 | Gnea | dk0r: compiling what? |
| 20:28.14 | Teufel | valdyn: yeah, every other port does... wtf... should I just comcast a call? |
| 20:28.16 | beardy | parity_: use th~e correct terminal settings. Try different ones. |
| 20:28.18 | enveezee_ | mhall: I have no idea, network has been all kinds of shitty lately |
| 20:28.26 | dk0r_ | Gnea: Kompose and Kismet |
| 20:28.33 | valdyn | Teufel: and ftp does. so yea, probably they are blocking it. |
| 20:28.40 | Gnea | dk0r_: kde apps? |
| 20:28.43 | Teufel | valdyn: WTF reason do they have to do that? |
| 20:28.43 | mhall | enveezee_: so weird people are on your wireless? |
| 20:28.44 | prime | Could anyone help me with this please? Whenever I apt-get it downloads the packages fine, but then on install i get the following error: "Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 20:28.45 | prime | dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 10354 package |
| 20:28.45 | prime | 'aspell-en': |
| 20:28.45 | prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.45 | prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.50 | Gnea | !paste |
| 20:28.51 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 20:29.05 | mhall | Teufel: Comcast is a bunch of port-blocking bastards |
| 20:29.07 | enveezee_ | mhall: yeah, my family |
| 20:29.14 | Fluten | hmm, right now i'm getting around 12KB/sec off of NFS |
| 20:29.14 | BeEbAcK | hy i have a problem with my ipv6 connection to irc server (linz) i got ping respond from them but it wont connect to server.....yesturday worked fine...today 0...anyideas what might be a problem ( btw im using debian 2.4.29-grsec) |
| 20:29.16 | dk0r_ | Gnea: Um.. Kompose is ( http://kompose.berlios.de/ ) |
| 20:29.20 | initech | all cable isp are port blocking assholes |
| 20:29.20 | enveezee_ | mhall: you cant pick em, you know |
| 20:29.24 | Gnea | dk0r_: *checking* |
| 20:29.25 | mhall | enveezee_: er, you're blocking your own relatives |
| 20:29.30 | mhall | enveezee_: lol what did they do? |
| 20:29.34 | Teufel | mhall: bah they havn't given me a problem yet except for having slow upload speeds |
| 20:29.36 | dk0r_ | Gnea: But Kismet ( http://www.kismetwireless.net/ ) is not |
| 20:29.36 | enveezee_ | enveezee_: yes fuck em.. they lost privlages |
| 20:29.38 | initech | Fluten: that |
| 20:29.41 | initech | 's a problem |
| 20:29.49 | mhall | Teufel: yeah everybody has slow speeds for uploads |
| 20:29.53 | mhall | enveezee_: what did they do wrong? |
| 20:30.04 | dk0r_ | Gnea: I'd really appreciate any help. |
| 20:30.08 | Fluten | it does the same when i make my 166 machine a server, and connect to it with 2 different machines and try it |
| 20:30.12 | Fluten | and now is doing the same thing when i made my 1.4 athlon a server, and try 2 other machines |
| 20:30.14 | Gnea | dk0r_: well what have you done so far? |
| 20:30.14 | Teufel | mhall: it's crappy that they can get away with it though, virtually no competition |
| 20:30.17 | Fluten | so maybe it's a bug somewhere |
| 20:30.22 | initech | Fluten: it isn't that |
| 20:30.24 | enveezee_ | enveezee_: their ips are filling up the NAT Table and their all over my logs the lan port I am on wont keep me connected long enough to figure out what the hell is going on |
| 20:30.35 | dk0r_ | Gnea: downloaded the apps from their websites :D' |
| 20:30.44 | Teufel | valdyn: what program are you using to test ports? |
| 20:30.49 | Gnea | dk0r_: heh good start, have you untarred them? |
| 20:31.02 | scorphus | is there any modules list for digital cameras (USB)? |
| 20:31.05 | initech | Fluten: what sort of network hardware are you using? |
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| 20:31.09 | Fluten | hmm, or maybe iptraf isn't showing the udp traffic, and only tcp |
| 20:31.13 | dk0r_ | Gnea: nope. infact im in osx right now. mind waiting for me to boot into linux? |
| 20:31.14 | mud | xirtam_, all i can tell you is I use fglrx xorg and radeon 9600 no probs your freezing may be an issue unrelated to xorg or fglrx |
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| 20:31.23 | Gnea | dk0r_: no problem |
| 20:31.34 | dk0r_ | Gnea: ty. be right back. |
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| 20:31.37 | valdyn | Teufel: try locally: 'telnet localhost 25' ( for smtp ) and 'telnet localhost 110' for pop3 |
| 20:31.48 | nvz | I bet you the network stableizes now. |
| 20:31.52 | v0L7r[-]n | http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/Contents-i386.gz |
| 20:31.55 | greylion | Gnea: guess he needs to compile them on ppc .. |
| 20:32.00 | Fluten | initech, i don't think it's the hardware since i get 500KB/sec going either ways from my machines |
| 20:32.03 | valdyn | Teufel: both are "Connection refused" for me. |
| 20:32.13 | Gnea | greylion: is that such a big deal? i've never done ppc before... |
| 20:32.16 | v0L7r[-]n | would that be proper for the sources.list to locate files on a ftp |
| 20:32.21 | initech | Fluten: no i don't either I'm just wondering so I can go on solving your problem |
| 20:32.43 | greylion | Gnea: I don't know, neither have I |
| 20:32.47 | slimeytoad | Hello, When I apt-get anything I get an error with aspell-en. Is anyone able to help me with this? |
| 20:32.56 | nvz | My father and brother download anything.. they both are wireless XP clients on my network one XPMC Desktop and on XPSP1 Laptop.. they are definatly 0wend as far as I am concerned until they can prove otherwise |
| 20:33.01 | greylion | slimeytoad: apt-get update |
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| 20:33.09 | sihkzz | imaek: Hi. |
| 20:33.15 | valdyn | Teufel: also try 'netstat -plt | grep exim4' to verify its listening to remote requests |
| 20:33.15 | Fluten | i have a pcmcia 100mbit card in my laptop, a pci 100mbit card in my athlon desktop, and a 10mbit card in my k6 desktop |
| 20:33.22 | slimeytoad | greylion: the same thing happens each time |
| 20:33.27 | v0L7r[-]n | are the examples in the sources.list file still usable |
| 20:33.32 | imaek | hello sihkzz |
| 20:33.34 | mhall | What is the name of the debian package that allows me to create fake packages to satisfy dependencies? |
| 20:33.42 | slimeytoad | greylion: "dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 10354 package |
| 20:33.42 | slimeytoad | 'aspell-en':" |
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| 20:33.46 | initech | Fluten: the hub, what is it? a switch? hub? 10Mb? 100Mb? |
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| 20:33.50 | sihkzz | imaek: Aren't you an UBUNTU user?!?!?! |
| 20:33.56 | valdyn | !tell mhall about quivs |
| 20:34.01 | valdyn | !tell mhall about equivs |
| 20:34.13 | greylion | slimeytoad: maybe you are getting bad blocks on your harddrive? |
| 20:34.29 | imaek | sihkzz: only for 8 minutes and 45 seconds, and 79mb longer. |
| 20:34.30 | Fluten | initech, 2 100mbit switches and a 10mbit hub |
| 20:34.39 | slimeytoad | greylion: How would I find this out? |
| 20:34.41 | Gnea | !ppc |
| 20:34.41 | dpkg | well, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 20:34.50 | Gnea | heh |
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| 20:35.08 | greylion | slimeytoad: well, you'd have to apt-get smartd but .. |
| 20:35.16 | Gnea | dk0r_: wb, so that's a ppc? |
| 20:35.28 | valdyn | slimeytoad: /var/backups/ has ( hopefully not to outdated ) backups of yuour status file |
| 20:35.35 | initech | Fluten: try manually mounting something with say, -o tcp,rsize=32768,wsize-32768. try to make sure you're full duplex with the switches. |
| 20:35.49 | dk0r_ | Gnea: Correct. |
| 20:35.50 | v0L7r[-]n | Do questions ever get answered in this channel ?? |
| 20:35.56 | valdyn | v0L7r[-]n: no |
| 20:35.57 | v0L7r[-]n | or helped |
| 20:36.04 | Tecky` | anyone care to help me w/ setting up a mail server (having a few problems) Postfix + Amavisd-NEW + Spamassassin + ClamAV + Squirrelmail |
| 20:36.14 | v0L7r[-]n | why is this |
| 20:36.20 | initech | Fluten: I get avg 18MB/sec on NFS with a cheap GB switch |
| 20:36.20 | dk0r_ | gnea: so what now? |
| 20:36.23 | greylion | slimeytoad: or try an editor on the status file to see if the problem can be corrected by hand |
| 20:36.25 | nvz | I know for a fact he downloaded a trojan or two recently, they were reported to be deleted upon detection |
| 20:36.27 | Gnea | dk0r_: ok i can only help you limitedly, you may need to visit #debianppc as well |
| 20:36.32 | v0L7r[-]n | mh maybe it's because it's full of asshole |
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| 20:36.41 | dk0r_ | Gnea: k. :( |
| 20:36.44 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: there's a process |
| 20:36.46 | nvz | they both got one I didnt catch now I am farily sure of it |
| 20:36.51 | slimeytoad | greylion: Man I hate knoppix. My debian system died so i rescued it. but now i have 56k and no debian disks. |
| 20:36.57 | slimeytoad | had to hdd install knoppix |
| 20:37.04 | v0L7r[-]n | yaeh lick some nuts |
| 20:37.15 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: from what i can tell, you're the only asshole here right now. |
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| 20:37.39 | v0L7r[-]n | am I I have only asked a question after persuuing google |
| 20:37.53 | v0L7r[-]n | and working on it for a while |
| 20:37.58 | Fluten | initech, should "tcp,rsize=32768,wsize-32768" be "tcp,rsize=32768,wsize=32768"? |
| 20:38.02 | initech | v0L7r[-]n: as if anyone in here can answer any question at any time |
| 20:38.08 | Gnea | dk0r_: ok, untar kompose somewhere and see if it has a configure script |
| 20:38.10 | mhall | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:38.21 | Teufel_ | valdyn: hmm I can connect to localhost for port 23, but not for 110... |
| 20:38.22 | initech | Fluten: um, yes |
| 20:38.28 | v0L7r[-]n | It's not that it's the asshole remarks |
| 20:38.29 | Gnea | !tell v0L7r[-]n about rules |
| 20:38.32 | slimeytoad | greylion: I think the easiest remedy would be to grab the latest debian dist and start again. Thanks for the suggestions though. |
| 20:38.36 | Teufel_ | valdyn: er.. I mean 25, not 23 |
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| 20:38.43 | v0L7r[-]n | full off shitheads |
| 20:38.51 | Gnea | !troll v0L7r[-]n |
| 20:38.52 | valdyn | Teufel_: so you dont really have a pop3 daemon running? |
| 20:38.54 | v0L7r[-]n | this channel should be regulated |
| 20:38.58 | scorphus | My digital camera (an hp photosmart 435, USB) does not get correctly detected by the kernel. Which modules should be probed for it to work? |
| 20:38.59 | greylion | slimeytoad: ok, but remember you can get it from bittorrent also |
| 20:39.02 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: it already is. |
| 20:39.05 | Teufel_ | valdyn: I thought that is what exim4 did... |
| 20:39.06 | v0L7r[-]n | because it's crap |
| 20:39.06 | dk0r_ | Gnea: It has a few files with the word configure in them. How do I indentify which is a script?? |
| 20:39.08 | initech | v0L7r[-]n: so, WTF exactly was your question? |
| 20:39.16 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: and you're in the wrong. |
| 20:39.18 | valdyn | Teufel_: exim is only smtp |
| 20:39.30 | v0L7r[-]n | I would like to link a ftp to apt-get |
| 20:39.32 | Teufel_ | valdyn: bahhhh ok... do you reccommend a good pop3 ? |
| 20:39.40 | slimeytoad | greylion: wouldn't it be better to get from the debian ftp though? |
| 20:39.41 | v0L7r[-]n | http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/Contents-i386.gz |
| 20:39.49 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: man 5 sources.list |
| 20:39.50 | initech | v0L7r[-]n: whatever that means |
| 20:39.50 | v0L7r[-]n | this is the path that I would like to link |
| 20:39.56 | valdyn | Teufel_: maybe dovecot, i just use dovecots imapd though |
| 20:40.01 | initech | v0L7r[-]n: "link"? |
| 20:40.04 | Teufel_ | !dovecot |
| 20:40.04 | dpkg | methinks dovecot is an IMAP server for Linux/UNIX-like systems, written with security primarily in mind. Easy to set up and doesn't require special maintenance. It should be faster than most other IMAP servers in overall performance. Currently the debian package is in the unstable tree. Ask me about "backports". http://dovecot.procontrol.fi/ - supports mbox and maildir |
| 20:40.07 | v0L7r[-]n | in the sources.list |
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| 20:40.13 | Fluten | initech, hmm, doing the same thing still |
| 20:40.13 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: if its http:// its http not ftp |
| 20:40.19 | v0L7r[-]n | I have my cdroms there already |
| 20:40.20 | greylion | slimeytoad: not really - debian ftp-servers have limited bandwidth |
| 20:40.25 | valdyn | Teufel_: its a pop3 server too. so this factoid is incomplete |
| 20:40.26 | dk0r_ | Gnea: config.h.in, configure, configure.files, confingure.in,configure.in.in, |
| 20:40.30 | v0L7r[-]n | you can do bith |
| 20:40.30 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: man 5 sources.list |
| 20:40.34 | Gnea | dk0r_: check permissions - see if it's executable |
| 20:40.41 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: yes you can do both |
| 20:40.41 | v0L7r[-]n | I did |
| 20:40.44 | dk0r_ | Gnea: What do you mean? |
| 20:40.45 | initech | Fluten: still slow? what are your cards negotiating with that switch? |
| 20:40.49 | Teufel_ | valdyn: hm ok Ill try that |
| 20:40.55 | v0L7r[-]n | my question is in the synopsis of the location |
| 20:40.55 | drac | scorphus: You will need libgphoto2 for that camera. "apt-get install gtkam gphoto2", and you need to be in 'camera' or was it 'plugdev' group. GTKam is for X, and gphoto2 for console. |
| 20:40.55 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: you are better off using apt-setup and choosing a mirror off the list |
| 20:40.57 | dk0r_ | Gnea: I dont know how to check permissions. |
| 20:41.07 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main <-- like that? |
| 20:41.07 | slimeytoad | greylion: suppose. Thanks regardless. I'll get a broadband bearing friend to grab me a dist pronto. Later... |
| 20:41.12 | Gnea | dk0r_: ls -l |
| 20:41.35 | Gnea | -rwx------ <-- something like that |
| 20:41.38 | Teufel_ | valdyn: so pop3 is just needed to recieve email? |
| 20:41.38 | dk0r_ | Gnea: k then? |
| 20:41.41 | scorphus | drac: I'm gonna try it right now, thanks! |
| 20:41.47 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: thats exactly what the linux manual pages section 5 on sorces.list is all about |
| 20:41.48 | Gnea | dk0r_: sec |
| 20:41.56 | Fluten | initech, I just did a test using rcp, and am getting 500KB/sec |
| 20:42.13 | initech | Fluten: on a 100Mb switch? |
| 20:42.17 | Fluten | and the transfer rate is very consistient, and not jumping around everywhere |
| 20:42.17 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: what part of it is not understood? get specific. |
| 20:42.19 | valdyn | Teufel_: not to recieve mail exactly, to fetch mail from the computer the mail was delivered to. |
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| 20:42.34 | v0L7r[-]n | right but ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ the debian part does not exist at the ftp location |
| 20:42.34 | Fluten | initech, there's 2 100mb and a 10mb hub between me and the machine |
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| 20:42.40 | Smoked1 | anyone got a good link that says how to get dovecot going? |
| 20:42.52 | Fluten | initech, the 100mb ones are switches |
| 20:43.01 | v0L7r[-]n | I asume the file is out of date |
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| 20:43.05 | Teufel_ | valdyn: hmm ok dovecot is done installing... never popped up with a config window or anything though... |
| 20:43.07 | SJr|TecraX | If I was using woody, and switched to unstable, when sarge was released was I upgraded to it? |
| 20:43.17 | jelly | How to find out which Xft fonts are available, eg. for urxvt -fn 'xft:FONT_NAME_HERE'? |
| 20:43.23 | v0L7r[-]n | Debian should have 2 channels |
| 20:43.32 | v0L7r[-]n | this one is way to flooded |
| 20:43.41 | valdyn | Teufel_: i dont know if its serving pop3 by default, just try w/ telnet |
| 20:43.44 | drac | SJr|TecraX: That question did not make any sense. |
| 20:43.52 | dk0r_ | Gnea: after typing "ls -|" Its just sitting there with a blinking cursor. I have no prompt. it just lookes like this: |
| 20:43.58 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: try http:// instead of ftp:// |
| 20:43.58 | Teufel_ | valdyn: nope... |
| 20:44.06 | SJr|TecraX | drac in what way? |
| 20:44.13 | dk0r_ | Gnea: Debian:/home/dk0r# ls -| |
| 20:44.15 | Gnea | v0L7r[-]n: stop your bitching and deal with it |
| 20:44.18 | Overand | I'm having trouble getting blootbot to run, it's got mysql connectin issues. suggestions, either for a fix or an alternate infobot? |
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| 20:44.26 | initech | Fluten: well, what can I say, try to simplify the situation. why is there a 10Mb hub anyway? |
| 20:44.28 | drac | SJr|TecraX: If you are running Unstable (sid) then you are running it, nothing else. |
| 20:44.33 | dk0r_ | Gnea: > {} |
| 20:44.37 | Gnea | dk0r_: -l that's a lowercase L not a pipe | |
| 20:44.37 | drac | SJr|TecraX: Sarge, or Woody has no effect on you. |
| 20:44.45 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: use little frenode instead then |
| 20:44.48 | SJr|TecraX | Well okay, I installed Woody like 2 years ago. Then I changed my sources.list to unstable, then ran a dist-upgrade. Now I need a rescue disk. I opted for a woody one, yet some peolpe are telling me I should be using a Sarge one. |
| 20:44.52 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: there is a #debian on there as well |
| 20:44.53 | Fluten | initech, to connect a laptop near the computer, so i don't have to run 2 cables |
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| 20:44.57 | Gnea | dk0r_: ctrl-d should get your prompt back |
| 20:44.58 | valdyn | Teufel_: alright, look at the 'protocols..' line quite on top of /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
| 20:45.12 | SJr|TecraX | drac didn't the structure of files change, and hasn't it changed between woody and sarge. |
| 20:45.12 | dk0r_ | Gnea: oh :) ok "ls -l" is done. what now? |
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| 20:45.17 | Teufel_ | valdyn: ah |
| 20:45.23 | SJr|TecraX | And things like dpkg and apt-get I thought all of those were relpaced with Sarge. |
| 20:45.28 | nvz | v0L7r[-]n: you can be our guinea pig (8 |
| 20:45.33 | Teufel_ | valdyn: what is difference between pop3 and pop3s |
| 20:45.36 | drac | SJr|TecraX: You don't have Woody, or Sarge. You have Sid. |
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| 20:45.47 | SJr|TecraX | right I understand that |
| 20:45.48 | initech | Teufel_: one is encrypted, one is not |
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| 20:46.01 | drac | SJr|TecraX: And all software is from Sid, not from woody or sarge, including apt. |
| 20:46.01 | Smoked1 | I'm looking for a good guide on setting up exim4 and dovecot. Anyone got anything on that? I searched google and the best one I found was written in 2003. |
| 20:46.10 | SJr|TecraX | drac okay |
| 20:46.11 | behrouz | unsolvable device driver problem: cant get my device driver working, got the two modules, and put in the entry in /etc/fstab, BUT sda1 is already mounted on / and sdb is mounted as well so i can't use these devices, i tried to use other devices but apparently they're not appropriate device blocks, WHAT DO I DO |
| 20:46.14 | Gnea | dk0r_: ok, you need to learn some basics of the command line, i'm going to hook you up with some documentation to go through that will teach you what all of this means :) |
| 20:46.17 | valdyn | Teufel_: i dont know exactly, probably raw pop3 versus pop3 over ssl |
| 20:46.22 | Gnea | !tell dk0r_ about newbie_guide |
| 20:46.25 | SJr|TecraX | so if I have a woody cd, and a sarge cd, switch both to sid, and dist-upgrade. I would get the same system? |
| 20:46.36 | Gnea | !tell dk0r_ about newbie-guide |
| 20:46.43 | drasko | hi all. what command to issue to see the kernel message (I to see if it reckognized some hardware I just plugged in)? |
| 20:46.56 | dk0r_ | Gnea: ok. ty. will you still help me install is kompose? |
| 20:47.15 | valdyn | drasko: dmesg |
| 20:47.19 | Gnea | dk0r_: yeah, figure out how to use ls to determine what is and isn't an executable and come back :) |
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| 20:47.34 | dk0r_ | Gnea: thanks! |
| 20:47.36 | dk0r_ | .... |
| 20:47.37 | Gnea | no problem |
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| 20:47.41 | scorphus | I've changed /etc/group and added my normal user login to some groups. Do I have to re-login this user? |
| 20:47.41 | Teufel_ | valdyn: <sigh> uncommented some pop3 stuff in that config file, restarted dovecot and telnet still getting refused |
| 20:47.50 | jelly | scorphus: yes |
| 20:47.52 | behrouz | unsolvable device driver problem: cant get my device driver working, got the two modules, and put in the entry in /etc/fstab, BUT sda1 is already mounted on / and sdb is mounted as well so i can't use these devices, i tried to use other devices but apparently they're not appropriate device blocks, WHAT DO I DO |
| 20:47.54 | Lanix | what would be the best one to install of all the flabers avalable ? in a conp witch has a intel 815 .... |
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| 20:47.54 | scorphus | thx |
| 20:48.10 | valdyn | Teufel_: protocols = pop3 |
| 20:48.23 | behrouz | cant get my usb driver working sorry for the confusion |
| 20:48.27 | Teufel_ | valdyn: have that in there |
| 20:48.45 | Teufel_ | valdyn: also did pop3_listen = * |
| 20:49.02 | Fluten | initech, i type dir to get a listing of a directory, and it takes usually about 5-10 seconds to respond |
| 20:49.09 | nvz | yeah I'd have to say something is up.. without them two on my network things are returning to normal |
| 20:49.25 | mhall | Hello. How can I edit the control file of a debian package without recompiling it all the way from source? Say, unpack and repack the deb? |
| 20:50.06 | valdyn | !info dovecot sarge |
| 20:50.10 | dpkg | dovecot: (dummy package for upgrades to dovecot IMAP and POP3 servers), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.99.14-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 20:50.10 | valdyn | !info dovecot-pop3 sarge |
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| 20:50.35 | valdyn | Teufel_: apt-get install dovecot-pop3d |
| 20:50.37 | mud | behrouz, you are tring to get usb port working or usb device? |
| 20:51.07 | douglas | What could this "pong" process be that is running taking up over 50% of my processor constantly, reappearing after i kill it? I'm i being pingflooded? |
| 20:51.37 | behrouz | mud: usb port |
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| 20:52.01 | jelly | douglas: what does it do, did you try stracing it? |
| 20:52.07 | Teufel_ | valdyn: already have it installed |
| 20:52.21 | jelly | douglas: also, does it have any open files (lsof)? |
| 20:52.22 | mhall | How can I edit the control file of a debian package without recompiling it all the way from source? Say, unpack and repack the deb? |
| 20:52.37 | nvz | I guess I should start planning how I will arrange diagnosing the two 0wend machines and treating them to be unleashed on the network again |
| 20:52.58 | scorphus | drac: gtkam works like a charm after adding my username to those groups, thanks again =O) |
| 20:53.05 | drac | scorphus: nice. no prob. |
| 20:53.15 | esk | mhall: I think ar can open a .deb |
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| 20:53.17 | mud | behrouz, i think you may be going about it wrong im no expert but i dont have anything mounted in /etc/fstab for usb and mine works.do you have custom kernel? |
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| 20:53.36 | valdyn | Teufel_: netstat -plt can tell you if its on |
| 20:53.44 | behrouz | mud: no i don't have a custom kernel |
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| 20:54.16 | Teufel_ | valdyn: don't see it on there... wtf |
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| 20:55.09 | kamathln | Hi guys ... I want to know the basics of "maintaining" packages .. can anybody point to some good resource? |
| 20:55.13 | nvz | I know one thing I want all these fucking windows users to change their network identification to something useful, and give me an email address. I cant tell which pc is which when all I see is IP, Mac ID and a meaningless network identification |
| 20:55.24 | valdyn | Teufel_: /etc/init.d/dovecot restart (as root ) |
| 20:55.34 | Teufel_ | valdyn: just tried that, and no |
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| 20:55.56 | mud | behrouz, you may have to load a usb module im not exactly sure |
| 20:55.59 | esk | kamathln: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide |
| 20:56.11 | valdyn | Teufel_: ps aux | grep dovecot |
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| 20:56.22 | initech | nvz: where I work the admins give the windows machines weird codenames like jkmdsrdc005xj6 |
| 20:56.30 | initech | wtf |
| 20:56.53 | initech | ip addresses are easier to remember than that |
| 20:56.57 | Teufel_ | valdyn: have 3 pop3-logins running for dovecot |
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| 20:57.35 | mainuser | Hi there... My ssh session has been disrupted while running dselect. After reconnecting, I get a new shell. How can I connect to the previous shell (where dselect is still running) again? |
| 20:57.37 | behrouz | mud: ya already done that |
| 20:57.47 | valdyn | Teufel_: and 'telnet localhost 110' gives you nothing? that is strange.. |
| 20:57.52 | mud | behrouz, what 2 modules were you referring to? |
| 20:58.09 | beardy | mainuser: You can't. Use screen if you want to be able to in the future. |
| 20:58.14 | Teufel_ | valdyn: ok wtf now it does... I didn't really do anything different |
| 20:58.20 | Teufel_ | valdyn: says dovecot ready now |
| 20:58.26 | behrouz | mud: usb-storage and sd_mod |
| 20:58.41 | douglas | jelly_: sorry i was afk, you here? |
| 20:58.47 | valdyn | Teufel_: maybe you once restart it not as root. It doesnt bring a useful error if you do /etc/init.d/dovecot restart as a user |
| 20:58.48 | douglas | damnit |
| 20:58.50 | jelly | douglas: yup |
| 20:58.52 | douglas | oh |
| 20:59.00 | douglas | no underscore.. right on |
| 20:59.12 | Teufel_ | valdyn: hmm maybe, it's still not getting email though =x |
| 20:59.26 | douglas | i haven't manned strace yet but allow me to flood in the ps line |
| 20:59.33 | douglas | root 12487 50.7 0.9 7476 5004 ? RN Jul12 3273:33 pong -window-id 83886088 -speed 7 -percent 0.0375 |
| 20:59.39 | Tecky` | anyone care to help me w/ setting up a mail server (having a few problems) ??? Postfix + Amavisd-NEW + Spamassassin + ClamAV + Squirrelmail |
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| 20:59.49 | behrouz | unsolvable usb port problem: cant get my usb drive working, got the two modules, and put in the entry in /etc/fstab, BUT sda1 is already mounted on / and sdb is mounted as well so i can't use these devices, i tried to use other devices but apparently they're not appropriate device blocks, WHAT DO I DO |
| 21:00.11 | valdyn | Teufel_: that is an smtp thing, pop3 is for fetching mail from its destination to your mail viewer on a computer anywhere |
| 21:00.13 | douglas | ... maybe it's an x thing |
| 21:00.13 | mainuser | beardy: So I have to kill the dselect sesion and run dselect again, right? |
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| 21:00.54 | mud | behrouz, check out this site it menions some other modules you may need http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/usb_storage_on_debian.html |
| 21:00.56 | Teufel_ | valdyn: um... so the problem still lies with exim4? |
| 21:01.21 | beardy | mainuser: Yes. And the shell if you want to close it now, it will close itself, but it takes a while, send it a HUP. |
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| 21:01.35 | mops_ | what is the kde variant of nautilus? |
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| 21:01.45 | mops_ | I want to know the name of the program please |
| 21:01.46 | behrouz | thanks mud |
| 21:01.55 | valdyn | Teufel_: with your isp if netstat -plt lists exim4 with *:* below 'Foreign Address' and your portforwarding is setup properly. |
| 21:02.04 | Tecky` | mops_ konqurer ? |
| 21:02.25 | greylion | konqueror |
| 21:02.31 | mops_ | really? |
| 21:02.42 | douglas | they ain't jiving |
| 21:03.05 | Teufel_ | valdyn: yeah, it lists ":" and forwarding set up right... so call comcast and see whats up? |
| 21:03.19 | douglas | and they didn't spell it with a C to be elite, ... the program's name is spelled that way |
| 21:03.22 | greylion | mops_: http://konqueror.org/ |
| 21:03.28 | Teufel_ | valdyn: all I do to check mail is just type 'mail' right? |
| 21:03.28 | valdyn | Teufel_: *:* ( literally ) |
| 21:03.38 | Teufel_ | valdyn: er, yes with the stars |
| 21:03.53 | mud | behrouz, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-23531.html this may help also |
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| 21:04.05 | valdyn | Teufel_: i'd use mutt or mozilla-thunderbird or whatever more advanced than 'mail' |
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| 21:04.30 | mops_ | ok thanks |
| 21:04.33 | Teufel_ | valdyn: yeah but just wondering... |
| 21:04.38 | douglas | high five mops_ |
| 21:05.13 | douglas | valdyn: elm's good |
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| 21:05.28 | valdyn | !start an mua war |
| 21:05.29 | dpkg | elm blows |
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| 21:05.42 | sulo | Hello |
| 21:06.04 | Overand | has anyone here managed to get blootbot to work on debian? |
| 21:06.06 | sulo | Could somebody tell me how to change the console font? |
| 21:06.16 | Teufel_ | valdyn: ok, just tried to use pop3 with outlook on another comp, and it finds the smtp server and logs onto that, finds the pop3 server but gets stuck logging on... |
| 21:06.17 | esk | behrouz: look at the output of 'dmesg' after you plug it in |
| 21:06.33 | greylion | sulo: are you _really_ sure you want to do that? |
| 21:06.40 | Overand | sulo: look into passing "vga=" on your kernel paramater line in your bootloader to use a graphics mode for your font |
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| 21:06.47 | douglas | sulo: you mean console console? with the 640 480 courier stuff? |
| 21:06.49 | Overand | sulo: that's probably more like what you want to do. |
| 21:07.06 | greylion | sulo: and not just change to a 80x50 console? |
| 21:07.10 | valdyn | Teufel_: login and password supplied? |
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| 21:07.12 | Overand | yeah 'console' like textmode or your graphical console inside gnome? |
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| 21:07.21 | Teufel_ | valdyn: yeah they were right too... |
| 21:07.39 | Lanix | what flaber of debian would work fin with a pc using an intel 815 grafic card |
| 21:07.40 | Lanix | ? |
| 21:08.40 | valdyn | Teufel_: no idea, you might have to read the docs /usr/share/doc/dovecot-common/mail-storages.txt.gz |
| 21:08.44 | sulo | I mean console, like "not running an X server" |
| 21:08.47 | Overand | when i fire up 'mysql -V' i get this, what could cause it? mysql: Symbol `sql_protocol_typelib' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
| 21:09.06 | greylion | Lanix: probably all of them, just get a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:09.58 | douglas | does anyone have any idea what this process could be: root 12487 50.7 0.9 7476 5004 ? RN Jul12 3281:10 pong -window-id 83886088 -speed 7 -percent 0.0375 |
| 21:10.10 | deadcat | seems like kde4.3 is in sid? |
| 21:10.19 | deadcat | nevermind. (= |
| 21:10.25 | valdyn | !find bin/pong |
| 21:10.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/pong' returned no results. |
| 21:10.49 | nvz | KDE 4.3 hasnt even been thought about yet upstream |
| 21:10.56 | douglas | OH it must be a screensaver |
| 21:10.59 | greylion | sulo: do you have vga=ext or extended in /etc/lilo.conf ? |
| 21:11.07 | valdyn | !find lib/pong |
| 21:11.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/pong' (1): (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/childsplay/lib/pong.py) in games/childsplay-plugins. |
| 21:11.25 | valdyn | !find pong |
| 21:11.27 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pong' (5): pong2 ;; spong-client ;; spong-common ;; spong-server ;; spong-www. |
| 21:11.58 | valdyn | !find xscreensaver/pong |
| 21:11.58 | douglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xscreensaver/pong' (1): (/usr/lib/xscreensaver/pong) in x11/xscreensaver. |
| 21:12.16 | douglas | thanks |
| 21:12.26 | riddlebox | hrmm a second cdrom which is the master of secondary ide should be /dev/hdc right? |
| 21:12.40 | greylion | riddlebox: yes |
| 21:12.59 | Overand | UGH what the hell, blootbot just doesn't work in sarge, does it. |
| 21:13.06 | douglas | can I mount a hard drive on another deb box on my network w/o using smb? |
| 21:13.18 | valdyn | douglas: with nfs |
| 21:13.20 | nvz | riddlebox: unless you are using devfs or something |
| 21:13.30 | Teufel_ | valdyn: hm... might have just been dovecot. I just installed solid-pop3d and it seems to be working now |
| 21:13.48 | riddlebox | umm I dont think so, is there a way to tell if it is see my drive, eject /dev/hdc doesnt work |
| 21:13.51 | douglas | valdyn: that ain't coming up on apt-cache ... |
| 21:13.53 | beardy | sulo: man consolechars, and know what you are doing ;) |
| 21:13.55 | valdyn | Teufel_: possibly |
| 21:13.57 | greylion | riddlebox: check dmesg | less |
| 21:14.09 | valdyn | douglas: what isnt? |
| 21:14.10 | douglas | also i'm running ext3 on this one and reiser on the other |
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| 21:14.50 | douglas | oh Sun warez |
| 21:14.58 | douglas | that would explain the apt thing |
| 21:14.59 | valdyn | doub: apt-cache search nfs- |
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| 21:15.40 | douglas | valdyn: ahh i did an apt cache show thinking it would show. |
| 21:15.42 | douglas | got it |
| 21:15.43 | douglas | thanks |
| 21:15.46 | nvz | personally I'd rather leave these two winxp boxen on permanant quarentine.. but unfortunatly I will have to deal with em |
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| 21:15.54 | Supaplex | dpkg: what version of quanta is in testing? |
| 21:15.55 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Supaplex |
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| 21:16.02 | Supaplex | figures :) |
| 21:16.10 | douglas | wow dpkg is not fond of nfs |
| 21:16.10 | nvz | dpkg: info quanta testing |
| 21:16.15 | dpkg | quanta: (web development environment for KDE), section web, is optional. Version: 1:3.3.2-6 (etch), Packaged size: 1775 kB, Installed size: 4512 kB |
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| 21:16.57 | Supaplex | thanks nvz. didn't recall, but I knew someone would ask the right way if dpkg didn't understand me. :) |
| 21:17.20 | douglas | "No Files Served, Network Failure System, Never Fscking Stable, No Fucking Security, Nightmare File System .. lol |
| 21:17.21 | Lordnazgul | i currently use dreamweaver for my web design on my windows box, any suggestions as to a linux equivalent. thinking about making the switch |
| 21:17.30 | Teufel_ | valdyn: now it gives me this error though, it detects both dmtp and pop3 but when it tries to send a test e-mail, it gets the "couldn't login to the outgoing smtp server, even though I have that user name / password specified as well. Is there a special login you have to use? |
| 21:18.40 | valdyn | Teufel_: no, exim4 by default does not permit mail to be sent for hosts other than localhost |
| 21:18.51 | nvz | dpkg: info quanta all |
| 21:18.55 | valdyn | Teufel_: otherwise everyone could relay spam with your exim4 |
| 21:18.56 | sulo | How do I find out what console font I'm currently using? |
| 21:19.10 | sigma957 | Lordnazgul: I use quanta.. it crashes on me a lot. I also use bluefish, but it's way different from dw |
| 21:19.29 | Overand | how can i delete a mysql user? |
| 21:19.32 | mud | Lordnazgul, nvu also |
| 21:19.44 | Lordnazgul | many thanx |
| 21:19.48 | Teufel_ | valdyn: hm.. is there a way to have a range of ip address be able to send mail then? Like everyone on my LAN? |
| 21:20.00 | valdyn | Teufel_: what is your lan |
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| 21:20.49 | Teufel_ | valdyn: well I just mean everyone connected to my router? |
| 21:20.56 | valdyn | Teufel_: dc_relay_nets='192.168.1.0/24' to /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and run 'update-exim4.conf' for example |
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| 21:22.04 | douglas | Lordnazgul: there are also conversion tools for Flash files |
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| 21:22.36 | Lordnazgul | douglas: no its all html |
| 21:22.42 | Lordnazgul | but thx |
| 21:22.51 | douglas | cool |
| 21:23.02 | sulo | How do I change the length of my console scroll buffer? |
| 21:23.18 | jonshipamn | so... I was looking to install Debian on a Penium II 400mhz laptop... |
| 21:23.18 | jonshipamn | and I do not know which CD to download |
| 21:23.18 | jonshipamn | on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 21:23.28 | useruser | sulo: i think it's hardcoded into the kernel |
| 21:23.33 | douglas | openoffice, i think, does an all right job of exporting to html |
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| 21:23.38 | useruser | sulo: you could use screen, though |
| 21:23.49 | Teufel_ | valdyn: still giving me same error, and I did restart exim4 |
| 21:23.55 | sulo | useruser, okay. thanks |
| 21:24.37 | mud | jonshipamn, last one on list for net install |
| 21:24.47 | douglas | sulo: why the strong interest in tweaking the console? it looks badass as is, and getting it to do graphic fonts .. that'll force your comp to think a lot harder |
| 21:25.23 | mud | jonshipamn, first 2 for non net install |
| 21:26.05 | douglas | jonshipamn: consider business card iso |
| 21:26.15 | Gnea | jonshipamn: the first one will do, or the netinst |
| 21:26.22 | valdyn | Teufel_: did you enter the correct network? |
| 21:26.47 | Teufel_ | valdyn: did 192.168.1.0/150 |
| 21:26.48 | sulo | douglas, It's merely an academic interest. I have a friend who's wondering... He's running windows and keeps asking me these questions... The guy's very focued on appearances... Sorry, I wonä't bother you with these questions anymore |
| 21:27.00 | valdyn | Teufel_: and thats nonsense |
| 21:27.06 | douglas | sulo: right answer |
| 21:27.13 | douglas | no |
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| 21:27.20 | douglas | I mean the pure curiosity thing |
| 21:27.22 | douglas | that's cool |
| 21:27.29 | Teufel_ | valdyn: what's nonsense? my range? |
| 21:27.48 | valdyn | Teufel_: yea, try 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 21:27.56 | sulo | douglas, I thought: since I couldn't answer his questions... I had to ask. Googling for it didn't provide much info |
| 21:27.57 | douglas | i've wondered how to do what you're trying |
| 21:28.13 | sulo | douglas, cool :) |
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| 21:28.37 | valdyn | Teufel_: that's describing a bitmask, not a range |
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| 21:28.52 | douglas | i would paypal you at least a buck fifty if you managed to code this and put it in a .deb for the world |
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| 21:29.26 | Teufel_ | valdyn: still same error... |
| 21:29.49 | valdyn | Teufel_: whats the IP of your outlook box? |
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| 21:30.13 | douglas | sulo: you run gpm? |
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| 21:30.28 | jonshipamn | there's 14 listed surely I don't need all 14... |
| 21:30.35 | jonshipman | otay, thanks |
| 21:30.37 | Teufel_ | valdyn: 192.168.1.102 |
| 21:30.39 | jonshipman | hmmm, what's on that? |
| 21:30.46 | sulo | douglas, nah, not anylonger since it tends to hang my box |
| 21:31.05 | valdyn | Teufel_: did you run update-exim4.conf ? |
| 21:31.21 | sulo | douglas, haven't got i working properly for many years, even though it _should_ be more stable today than six years ago |
| 21:31.30 | Teufel_ | valdyn: yes |
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| 21:31.46 | valdyn | Teufel_: /etc/init.d/exim4 restart too? |
| 21:31.54 | douglas | after dozens of deb installs over the year i finally got gpm working |
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| 21:32.03 | nvz | is there any disadvantages to raising lease time on a small home network? |
| 21:32.04 | foXclone | Q: when i enable my firewall i can't connect to my sshd anymore even tough i opened tcp / udp port 22. I'm using Arno's iptables-firewall btw... and the pc is connect via eth0 to my local network |
| 21:32.06 | valdyn | Teufel_: what is /var/log/exim4/rejectlog saying about it? |
| 21:32.19 | Teufel_ | valdyn: yup... just installed thunderbird on windows comp and I get same error, that SMTP server isn't accepting connections |
| 21:32.22 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - is it possible to disable password logins over ssh for the root account only (i'd still like to beable to log in as non-root using a password) |
| 21:32.25 | sulo | douglas, congratulations! :) |
| 21:32.42 | douglas | .. haven't even dared trying wine |
| 21:32.45 | deadcat | gpm is for pussies |
| 21:32.47 | valdyn | Teufel_: netstat -plt |
| 21:32.49 | nvz | I currently have 3600 seconds which is only an hour lease. I was thinking of going for more days rather than hours |
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| 21:32.57 | w1gg3r | anyone know how i would burn a dvd from a directory of files (AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS)? do I have to make an image first and/or specify udf file structure to make a video dvd? |
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| 21:33.20 | Teufel_ | valdyn: have exim4 running |
| 21:33.26 | deadcat | wine is for bitches |
| 21:33.31 | FieldySnuts | !troll deadcat |
| 21:33.31 | SuperFly | lame question. how to tell what version of debian a system is running? |
| 21:33.32 | valdyn | Teufel_: paste the whole line.. |
| 21:33.39 | deadcat | )= |
| 21:33.49 | Gnea | wine is for winers |
| 21:33.53 | SuperFly | Linux uslv-alinux-01 2.4.31-bf2.4 #1 SMP Wed Jun 1 15:42:39 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:33.53 | sulo | apt? |
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| 21:34.11 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: i didnt say anything about gentoo, so i aint trolling... yet |
| 21:34.12 | greylion | w1gg3r: have a look at dvdauthor |
| 21:34.30 | Teufel_ | tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 3161/exim4 |
| 21:34.35 | w1gg3r | greylion: ok! |
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| 21:35.13 | Gnea | deadcat: don't worry about FieldySnuts, he's just having one of those year-long PMS sessions |
| 21:35.59 | deadcat | Gnea: i hear ya.. hes always PMS'ing |
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| 21:36.15 | douglas | freenode runs gentoo.. i thought debian 0wned this whole operation |
| 21:36.21 | Gnea | deadcat: maybe his local drug store stopped selling midol |
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| 21:36.29 | deadcat | Gnea: hahahah. |
| 21:36.38 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:36.57 | valdyn | Teufel_: there got to be something silly like a typo in : dc_relay_nets='192.168.1.0/24' |
| 21:36.59 | deadcat | douglas: gentoo is for 60 year-old lonely men who cant afford a fast car |
| 21:37.13 | deadcat | or as i call them "child molester" |
| 21:37.38 | douglas | +1, insightful deadcat |
| 21:37.40 | foXclone | Q: when i enable my firewall i can't connect to my sshd anymore even tough i opened tcp / udp port 22. I'm using Arno's iptables-firewall btw... and the pc is connect via eth0 to my local network |
| 21:38.09 | mud | deadcat: what is gpm |
| 21:38.15 | valdyn | Teufel_: whats dc_local_interfaces set to in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf ? |
| 21:38.25 | Gnea | foXclone: check out #iptables |
| 21:38.29 | deadcat | mud: gnome-personal-manager |
| 21:38.32 | plb | deadcat: why make fun of gentoo...make fun of the ricers ;] |
| 21:38.34 | douglas | mud: lets you fire up your mouse in the console |
| 21:38.45 | Teufel_ | valdyn: '127.0.0.1' |
| 21:38.48 | douglas | plb lol |
| 21:38.52 | mud | douglas, thx |
| 21:38.56 | foXclone | Gnea: what should i look 4? |
| 21:39.03 | valdyn | Teufel_: set it to '' ( = nothing ) |
| 21:39.04 | deadcat | plb: hahahah. those dumbass morons |
| 21:39.13 | plb | gentoo isn't a bad distro, the ricers give it a bad rep |
| 21:39.14 | Gnea | foXclone: join it and restate your question there |
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| 21:39.26 | valdyn | Teufel_: update-exim4.conf again, run /etc/init.d/exim4 restart again, try sending mail. |
| 21:39.33 | foXclone | Gnea: ok didn't know bout that channel |
| 21:39.49 | Gnea | foXclone: that's why i mentioned it :) |
| 21:39.57 | foXclone | Gnea: ty |
| 21:40.01 | Gnea | np |
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| 21:40.19 | Teufel_ | valdyn: there, we got it! |
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| 21:40.48 | Gnea | mmmmmmmmmm chicken |
| 21:40.56 | deadcat | we all know sourcemage owns gentoo |
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| 21:40.59 | Teufel_ | valdyn: lol or at least it sent it, no errors, but I didn't get it in my inbox on my other account like i can when I just use mail |
| 21:41.00 | valdyn | Teufel_: oh god, ok, works from remote too now. |
| 21:41.15 | douglas | is there a text version of xtraceroute that prints out its best guess of where an IP might be located? i don't need the 3D map |
| 21:41.24 | valdyn | Teufel_: 127.0.0.1 is not an interface btw, lo is eth0 is |
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| 21:41.37 | beardy | douglas: take a guess.. |
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| 21:41.55 | Overand | ok, i'm giving up on blootbot, it doesn't work properly at all, it's bugriddent, and it ignores the 'addressing' mode options in its config file. suggestions for a different infobot? |
| 21:41.57 | deadcat | !moron douglas |
| 21:41.58 | dpkg | douglas: You are moron #88 |
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| 21:42.05 | Teufel_ | valdyn: something still tripping, it still can't get mail, or send it out (no errors though) |
| 21:42.07 | douglas | beardy: ok should have said traceroute plus the geographic thing |
| 21:42.33 | valdyn | Teufel_: you cannot easily send mail from a host like yours, better use a smarthost |
| 21:42.47 | deadcat | douglas: and you actually believe those geographic location is accurate? |
| 21:42.51 | witless | anyone have significant breakage with new X.org in Sid? |
| 21:42.53 | douglas | nope |
| 21:43.00 | Teufel_ | valdyn: I thought that was the whole point of using exim4 is that you could send mail from your server? |
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| 21:43.03 | plb | gaim doesn't like it |
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| 21:43.13 | streuner | witless: what videocard do you use? |
| 21:43.13 | douglas | but for fun it comes in handy |
| 21:43.19 | witless | streuner: nvidia |
| 21:43.21 | deadcat | witless: just trying to rm xine and nvidia-glx if i dist-upgrade so i hold on to dist-upgrade for now. (x86) |
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| 21:43.24 | witless | erm 6800 i think |
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| 21:43.44 | deadcat | douglas: all it knows is that the location is on EARTH. |
| 21:43.49 | douglas | beardy: hook me up with some doubt benefit next time |
| 21:43.52 | douglas | deadcat: not every ip |
| 21:43.52 | valdyn | Teufel_: well, yes, but today, with spammers around you cannot easily send mail from dynamic hosts like yours |
| 21:43.58 | streuner | witless: read 'gravitys' blog |
| 21:44.08 | witless | streuner: where would that be? |
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| 21:44.23 | valdyn | Teufel_: so you should send it to a yourserver which in turn sends to a smarthost |
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| 21:44.43 | beardy | douglas: I don't understand that, please clarify |
| 21:44.44 | Teufel_ | valdyn: I guess I don't really know what a smarthost is... |
| 21:45.04 | steven_ | i am try'n to compile austhex |
| 21:45.08 | steven_ | but it give me error.. |
| 21:45.08 | steven_ | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 21:45.08 | steven_ | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no |
| 21:45.08 | steven_ | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
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| 21:45.09 | valdyn | Teufel_: a mailserver ( nearly as yours ), but with a static IP and proper DNS entries |
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| 21:45.15 | steven_ | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 21:45.17 | streuner | witless: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
| 21:45.19 | steven_ | any idea's ?:) |
| 21:45.25 | greylion | Teufel_: probably your isp's mailserver |
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| 21:45.50 | witless | streuner: thx |
| 21:45.56 | valdyn | !b-e steven_ |
| 21:45.57 | dpkg | steven_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:45.59 | greylion | Teufel_: IF it will accept email from your server |
| 21:46.11 | Gnea | !paste |
| 21:46.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 21:46.21 | worthless-sack- | telnet your_ISP_hostname 25 |
| 21:46.30 | douglas | beardy: xt minus the gui that spells out its best guess of the location of an IP or the router closest on the list that it recognizes |
| 21:46.47 | Teufel_ | valdyn: that is pretty much what I have set up with exim4... I have a static ip on the box, have DNS entries all hased out (at least I think ;) ) |
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| 21:46.49 | deadcat | firefox1.05 |
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| 21:47.16 | Teufel_ | valdyn: w00t ok man... I'm getting mail from outside sources now! THANK YOU! |
| 21:47.18 | worthless-sack- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.24 | valdyn | Teufel_: you dont , a reverse lookup of your server wont resolve to mountainshadows.com |
| 21:47.29 | Shadowcat | speaking of firefox 1.05 |
| 21:47.30 | Teufel_ | valdyn: just taking a while (like 20 seconds) to update mail server |
| 21:47.33 | streuner | deadcat: hi :-) |
| 21:47.35 | Shadowcat | when's that gonna show up in unstable? |
| 21:47.43 | greylion | Teufel_: and the ip-adress is not 10.* or 192.168.* or 172.16-31.* ? |
| 21:47.45 | Shadowcat | or even testing? |
| 21:47.52 | streuner | Shadowcat: wir |
| 21:47.53 | deadcat | streuner: what up girl (= |
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| 21:48.03 | Shadowcat | streuner: ? |
| 21:48.03 | deadcat | Shadowcat: its in. |
| 21:48.05 | lindsey | What is ru-ua.utf-8? |
| 21:48.08 | douglas | girl idiomatically? |
| 21:48.11 | Shadowcat | deadcat: unstable hmm? |
| 21:48.13 | beardy | douglas: Yeah, I understand what you are looking for, but this I don't get "hook me up with some doubt benefit next time" |
| 21:48.16 | deadcat | Shadowcat: i just upgraded it. |
| 21:48.16 | streuner | Shadowcat: mozilla.org had it already, last week or such |
| 21:48.18 | Teufel_ | worthless-sack-: telnets working to 25 |
| 21:48.27 | Shadowcat | ok thanks deadcat |
| 21:48.27 | streuner | dpkg, info mozilla-firefox |
| 21:48.29 | Shadowcat | btw |
| 21:48.33 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7714 kB, Installed size: 21460 kB |
| 21:48.33 | Shadowcat | how's xserver-xorg? |
| 21:48.39 | Shadowcat | any segfaults yet? :P |
| 21:48.48 | streuner | no |
| 21:48.58 | Shadowcat | I'm waiting for it to get into testing |
| 21:49.07 | streuner | hm |
| 21:49.18 | lindsey | That blurb is what X tells me I need for localizing my desktop. |
| 21:49.42 | douglas | beardy: i meant i wasn't asking for a non x version of xtraceroute and that no one could be that stupid so consider that it was possible i was inquiring about something less stupid |
| 21:49.54 | deadcat | lindsey: you need dist-upgrade |
| 21:49.55 | jme | Shadowcat: i just updated a sarge box to unstable yesterday and converted to xorg, no problems |
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| 21:50.02 | Teufel_ | valdyn: ok, it's now sending and receiving mail properly... thank you so much for stepping me through this |
| 21:50.09 | Shadowcat | jme: you upgraded to unstable?! |
| 21:50.10 | deadcat | jme: what video card? |
| 21:50.11 | greylion | jme: tried installing vlc? |
| 21:50.12 | lindsey | Deadcat: Where can I get it please? |
| 21:50.15 | Shadowcat | are you freaking crazy? |
| 21:50.17 | jme | deadcat: radeon 9700 pro |
| 21:50.19 | jme | greylion: nope |
| 21:50.20 | douglas | beardy: nevermind |
| 21:50.23 | deadcat | lindsey: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:50.29 | deadcat | jme: ah. hows glxgears? |
| 21:50.38 | valdyn | Teufel_: neat, however some hosts will refuse your mail, so i wouldnt stick to this ( whatever works for you though ) |
| 21:50.40 | jme | deadcat: will let you know when i'm back in town tomorrow evening |
| 21:50.41 | douglas | deadcat: && vs ; ? |
| 21:50.45 | Shadowcat | I know it has issues with i810 |
| 21:50.50 | Shadowcat | at least according to bugs.debian.org |
| 21:50.51 | deadcat | douglas: what the f? |
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| 21:51.01 | deadcat | jme: i want to kow NOW )= |
| 21:51.27 | douglas | Woah easy i'm gonna just idle for a while |
| 21:51.38 | deadcat | i cant shutdown/reboot my ibook once i use xorg, it hangs my box. |
| 21:51.45 | Teufel_ | valdyn: by refuse my mail, you mean send it to junkbox |
| 21:51.48 | punsad | anyone using the lame package from ftp.nerim.net? |
| 21:51.54 | deadcat | punsad: no |
| 21:51.56 | Teufel_ | valdyn: ? |
| 21:52.29 | lindsey | deadcat: it says there is nothing to update. |
| 21:52.30 | valdyn | Teufel_: no, just refuse it, your exim4 should in turn send you a mail notifying you of this. |
| 21:52.43 | deadcat | lindsey: you using stable/testing/unstable? which one? |
| 21:52.46 | jme | deadcat: i'll let you know tomorrow night :) |
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| 21:53.01 | deadcat | jme: hahah |
| 21:53.08 | lindsey | deadcat: stable |
| 21:53.09 | Teufel_ | valdyn: so how would me using a smarthost eliminate this? |
| 21:53.11 | worthless-sack- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.15 | jme | i was going to do a fresh install of unstable from sarge base the other day, but it was still broken |
| 21:53.23 | jme | so i had to stick with sarge for a few days... which wasn't that bad |
| 21:53.32 | deadcat | lindsey: dont know then. usualy stable is for server, deskto should use testing. |
| 21:53.55 | lindsey | deadcat: thank you for your help |
| 21:53.57 | deadcat | jme: i went back to xfree on the ibook |
| 21:54.06 | jme | deadcat: ah |
| 21:54.14 | valdyn | Teufel_: a trusted host isnt refused, different destinations have different methods to verify if they do trust that host not to be a spammer. there's no general rule. but isps naturally care to be trusted and do what they can to be. |
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| 21:55.43 | Teufel_ | valdyn: ok thanks again for all the help, I'm ganna go cook some breakfast at 4pm ;) |
| 21:55.57 | valdyn | Teufel_: if your IP wouldnt resolve to c-67-164-189-200.hsd1.co.comcast.net, but mountainshowers.com things would probably already be better |
| 21:56.17 | mfrisch | I am trying to compile a kernel get: inconsistent kallsyms data |
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| 21:56.40 | Teufel_ | valdyn: and that is what I use a smarthost for? Or how would I get it resolving to mountainshowers.com? |
| 21:56.44 | chaps0063 | how do I set a static ip to an interface (ip, dns server, mask, router)? |
| 21:57.09 | worthless-sack- | Teufel_ you will not be able that is revDNS which comcast controls |
| 21:57.13 | valdyn | Teufel_: nah, the smarthost is itself properly setup so doesnt get refused by destinations. |
| 21:57.19 | dondelelcaro | chaps0063: man 5 interfaces; set up a iface eth0 inet static; stanza. |
| 21:57.27 | jme | chaps0063: man interfaces should explain that |
| 21:57.31 | jme | hrm, too slow |
| 21:57.40 | Teufel_ | valdyn: hmm ok I'll look into that, thanks for all the help |
| 21:57.42 | valdyn | Teufel_: while you would probably have to authenticate to use it ( via login / password ) |
| 21:57.43 | deadcat | the search bar in firefox with the little image, is that firefox or i can do that with html? like in a dropdown list? |
| 21:58.24 | jme | google for dropdown menus in html |
| 21:58.31 | valdyn | Teufel_: to get yourself proper dns entries you'd have to talk to your isp |
| 21:59.00 | Teufel_ | valdyn: kk |
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| 21:59.08 | steven_ | how do you make a new folder ?:P |
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| 21:59.21 | steven_ | yeh newbie++ |
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| 21:59.38 | steven_ | or tar to a spec folder |
| 21:59.40 | deadcat | jme: not really dropdown menu. let me show you |
| 21:59.52 | greylion | steven_: mkdir dirname |
| 21:59.57 | jme | deadcat: huh? |
| 22:00.02 | mfrisch | I am trying to compile a kernel get: inconsistent kallsyms data. Help |
| 22:00.21 | jme | deadcat: i know what you're talking about, i think that's just a firefox thing |
| 22:00.29 | steven_ | greylion, now how do i untar to that foldeR? |
| 22:00.31 | jme | i haven't seen that in html before |
| 22:00.43 | greylion | steven_: man tar |
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| 22:00.57 | plb | steven_: you mean directory ;] |
| 22:01.04 | steven_ | ye |
| 22:01.13 | steven_ | tar -xvf blah.tar /home/steven/ircd |
| 22:01.14 | steven_ | ? |
| 22:01.30 | plb | no |
| 22:01.42 | Supaplex | !scream |
| 22:01.42 | dpkg | GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 22:01.58 | plb | -C /path/to/blah |
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| 22:02.00 | Supaplex | dpkg: good bot |
| 22:02.00 | chaps0063 | is there anyway to get apache,php,mysql all precompiled and working? |
| 22:02.12 | AjLavJo | i use knoppix and i can choose from some wm's, but if i install others will they appear in the same menu or will i have to add them myself? |
| 22:02.24 | deadcat | jme: ya. damn http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/xwd_20050716_12547.png notice that the google icon is on the top right. i want the debian logo before the debian.org thing. and i have a list of engines on that list |
| 22:02.42 | Supaplex | chaps0063: just install them, easy as cake. |
| 22:02.46 | greylion | chaps0063: apt-get install apache php mysql ? |
| 22:02.47 | nvz | AjLavJo: ask in #knoppix. in debian the "menu" package takes care of that |
| 22:02.56 | chaps0063 | Supaplex: ok, cool. |
| 22:03.24 | plb | hrm ubuntu is a dumb name for a distro |
| 22:03.27 | ElectricElf | Right, so if you're going the initscript route |
| 22:03.34 | deadcat | plb: so is gentoo |
| 22:03.37 | AjLavJo | since knoppix is based on debian i find it fairly nice to ask it in here, don't you think? |
| 22:03.40 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 22:03.41 | dpkg | Mandrake rox0rz! |
| 22:03.44 | plb | lol |
| 22:03.47 | jme | haha |
| 22:03.52 | rbochan | deadcat: at least it's the name of a penguin |
| 22:03.52 | jme | deadcat: no idea really, sorry |
| 22:03.58 | greylion | I don't like 'fedora' :) |
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| 22:04.02 | deadcat | rbochan: it is? |
| 22:04.04 | rbochan | yes |
| 22:04.09 | ElectricElf | You'll want to modify mountall.sh to add "bind" to the list of filesystems to ignore |
| 22:04.14 | ElectricElf | Er, wrong window |
| 22:04.15 | randomity | n00bs using distros.... ROLL YOUR OWN! |
| 22:04.15 | deadcat | rbochan: thats a stupid penguin name |
| 22:04.20 | nvz | dpkg, start a distro war =~ s/Mandrake/Mandriva/ |
| 22:04.20 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 22:04.26 | plb | deadcat: gentoo is a fast penguin ;] |
| 22:04.31 | deadcat | rbochan: what ever happen to "dirk" "hank" hahahahah |
| 22:04.39 | Supaplex | !literal start a distro war |
| 22:04.39 | dpkg | start a distro war is <reply> (SuSE|RedHat|Mandriva|Progeny|Slackware|Gentoo|Rock) (rocks|owns|0wnz|(rox0rz|sux0rz)|is (lame|stupid))! |
| 22:04.44 | Supaplex | humm |
| 22:04.46 | rbochan | deadcat: http://www.raphaelk.co.uk/web%20pics/Argentina/first/Gentoo%20Penguin%202.JPG |
| 22:04.59 | fry | Do the Debian packages get updated as regular as the emerge packet management from Gentoo? |
| 22:05.03 | nvz | dpkg, start a distro war =~ s/RedHat/Fedora/ |
| 22:05.03 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
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| 22:05.08 | deadcat | rbochan: that dont prove shit |
| 22:05.14 | Frozen-Solid | how do you restart a service in debian? in mandrake it's "service <whatever> restart" |
| 22:05.17 | douglas | AS regular?? |
| 22:05.17 | plb | fry: no |
| 22:05.20 | pureone | !greenhouse |
| 22:05.20 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 22:05.21 | Frozen-Solid | but that doesnt work in debian apparently |
| 22:05.30 | AjLavJo | what are you trying to accomplish nvz? |
| 22:05.32 | fry | plb: Hm, but they do get updated, right? :) |
| 22:05.38 | PerfDave | Frozen-Solid: invoke-rc.d <service> restart |
| 22:05.45 | concept10 | why dont u guys argue about football or basketball. oh, i forgot |
| 22:05.52 | nvz | AjLavJo: what are you talking about? |
| 22:05.56 | randomity | Frozen-Solid: in any System V-based distro, try /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
| 22:05.56 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: /etc/init.d/<stuffs> start/stop/restart/reload |
| 22:05.59 | AjLavJo | knoppix |
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| 22:06.10 | AjLavJo | why did you reply me when you can't even help? |
| 22:06.16 | douglas | that is so true, gentoo contributing to another ice age |
| 22:06.22 | plb | fry: well generally stuff in portage is more up to date but debian has different goals then gentoo so its not fair to compare |
| 22:06.30 | nvz | AjLavJo: knoppix is not debian. I did help. I gave you the debian answer and told you to goto #knoppix |
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| 22:06.34 | pureone | !based on debian |
| 22:06.34 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 22:06.46 | AjLavJo | well it's based on debian, am i wrong? |
| 22:06.46 | Frozen-Solid | yay there we go - thanks :D |
| 22:06.52 | rbochan | sigh |
| 22:06.55 | nvz | AjLavJo: see above |
| 22:06.58 | plb | !ubuntu |
| 22:06.58 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 22:07.06 | AjLavJo | well i just asked a simple question |
| 22:07.14 | deadcat | AjLavJo: shut the fuck up or i will kill you motherfucker |
| 22:07.16 | rbochan | and you got several simple answers |
| 22:07.16 | drac | AjLavJo: Simple question in wrong channel. |
| 22:07.17 | zinx | AjLavJo: and you got an answer |
| 22:07.25 | douglas | you know what's a travesty? not being able to install porn-get using apt-get ... |
| 22:07.29 | AjLavJo | so how does debian do it then? |
| 22:07.33 | zinx | AjLavJo: if the answer doesn't work, it's because you aren't using debian |
| 22:07.34 | concept10 | I dont understand this channel |
| 22:07.38 | nvz | AjLavJo: with the menu package |
| 22:07.39 | AjLavJo | i use apt |
| 22:07.39 | plb | lol |
| 22:07.44 | AjLavJo | to get the wm's |
| 22:07.48 | douglas | concept10: how so? |
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| 22:07.55 | concept10 | People here get a kick out of fucking with people |
| 22:08.00 | nvz | AjLavJo: if its installed its suppose to update automaticaly |
| 22:08.03 | concept10 | Day to day, its the same |
| 22:08.04 | *** part/#debian fry (none@fry.user) |
| 22:08.15 | AjLavJo | it's a tragic world concept10 |
| 22:08.17 | deadcat | concept10: thats what you get for fucking the wrong people. |
| 22:08.33 | waffle | hope nobody fucks with me |
| 22:08.37 | douglas | well, an alternative to enduring it is switching to ms and paying for their phone tech help |
| 22:08.43 | randomity | The best way of getting an answer is trolling. |
| 22:08.45 | waffle | unless your are women |
| 22:08.53 | concept10 | deadcat, im not messing with anyone. |
| 22:08.54 | deadcat | waffle: we just gonna rape you. (= |
| 22:08.55 | waffle | and hot |
| 22:08.59 | zinx | AjLavJo: in debian, the "menu" package takes care of generating all menus for you, so you don't have to add them |
| 22:09.00 | nvz | AjLavJo: its all a matter of perspective.. to us you are the one fucking with us. you are asking us questions about some bastardized version of our software we dont know or care about, instead of going to the right channel |
| 22:09.07 | concept10 | Just made an observation |
| 22:09.11 | zinx | AjLavJo: we don't know what knoppix does. ask in #knoppix. |
| 22:09.18 | randomity | If AjLavJo had said Debian is crap, it can't do xyz, everyone would have jumped to answer |
| 22:09.23 | deadcat | AjLavJo: and ask them debian in #knoppix |
| 22:09.43 | zinx | randomity: More likely, they would have said "so, don't use it." |
| 22:09.44 | concept10 | randomity, that is quite true |
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| 22:09.56 | zinx | randomity: believe it or not, most of us don't care what you use |
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| 22:10.09 | concept10 | zinx, true |
| 22:10.10 | deadcat | we dont just answer your question thats all |
| 22:10.10 | waffle | anyhow, besides sodomizing me, can anybody point me to chan that ppl discuss Wifi? |
| 22:10.18 | nvz | AjLavJo: yeah go ask in #knoppix why you can't unmount removable media after using it with konqueror in Debian Sarge.. and see how they like you there |
| 22:10.19 | lilliput | hello all my question is not a pb with debian but like there is a lot of network specialist here :) I'm looking for drawing a map with the main router of the world ( 20 to 200 will do) with latitude and longitude + network route and bandwidth |
| 22:10.22 | deadcat | waffle: #wireless |
| 22:10.23 | nvz | AjLavJo: its the same thing |
| 22:10.26 | randomity | Ok, then. zinx: Debian is crap, it can't use RPMS |
| 22:10.32 | Frozen-Solid | AjLavJo: aksing about knoppix in here is like me asking about GameCube Linux specific questions like "how can i get the libsdl made for the gamecube" - no one in here knows, nor cares |
| 22:10.38 | zinx | randomity: then use a distro that can, if you want them so bad :P |
| 22:10.42 | deadcat | randomity: because you're stupid. apt-cache search rpm |
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| 22:10.45 | rbochan | randomity: it can with alien |
| 22:10.49 | douglas | AjLavJo: if he'd said that, someone would probably type !dpkg distro war or whatever |
| 22:10.56 | concept10 | randomity, thats a low blow, but you are wrong |
| 22:11.03 | randomity | Zinx: see! 2 people have already answered |
| 22:11.07 | Frozen-Solid | despite gamecube linux being based on, and running debian sid... they're still two totally different things |
| 22:11.17 | paulswm | RPMs are crap, not Debian, and debian can use them anyway |
| 22:11.20 | douglas | oh you entrapped me |
| 22:11.21 | zinx | randomity: because they don't understand how crappy rpms are, especiallly in debian ;) |
| 22:11.28 | plb | ah this channel is great for a laugh =] |
| 22:11.30 | concept10 | I like Linux |
| 22:11.34 | randomity | I may have inadvertantly started a flamewar |
| 22:11.56 | plb | ubuntu > debian /me ends war |
| 22:12.00 | plb | j/king of course |
| 22:12.01 | plb | =P |
| 22:12.05 | randomity | Anyway, RPMS are a boring flame topic. Lets move onto better things. Emacs is better than vi |
| 22:12.07 | deadcat | !tell plb about enter |
| 22:12.14 | Frozen-Solid | not to entice this hilarious rpm hate - but what's so bad about them? |
| 22:12.15 | jme | hah |
| 22:12.20 | jme | vim forever |
| 22:12.28 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: google "dependency hell" |
| 22:12.34 | douglas | if you take a bunch of adderall to get sound working, it's good to avoid going on irc for help because the crank will keep you in the channel all night |
| 22:12.41 | paulswm | Frozen-Solid: one word: dependencies |
| 22:12.43 | Frozen-Solid | i use mandrake on this box, aka lots of rpms... and i use debian on my gamecube for apt=get packages... to me they've both worked the same |
| 22:12.58 | concept10 | Frozen-Solid, not true |
| 22:13.00 | jelly | rbochan: that "dependency hell" stuff is way overrated. |
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| 22:13.06 | Frozen-Solid | urpmi grabs all the dependencies for me, justl ike apt-get does |
| 22:13.07 | concept10 | no its not |
| 22:13.09 | Frozen-Solid | i see no difference |
| 22:13.09 | douglas | especially extended release dextroamphetamine |
| 22:13.24 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: that was not the case for almost 10 years |
| 22:13.30 | Frozen-Solid | so i'm honestly asking someone to explain the difference |
| 22:13.34 | randomity | Frozen-Solid: were not talking about uprmi here. Urpmi is good. The rpm command is not |
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| 22:13.40 | Frozen-Solid | aaaah. |
| 22:13.42 | concept10 | I used Fedora core for two years, and .rpm and yum do not compare to APT |
| 22:13.58 | jelly | randomity: you might say that dpkg is also bad, but apt is not |
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| 22:13.59 | Frozen-Solid | yeah rpm command by itself is crap, but i thought that was phased out for urpmi |
| 22:14.09 | douglas | one time i used slackware .. |
| 22:14.19 | jme | yeah i used slackware once too |
| 22:14.21 | jme | in 1999 |
| 22:14.23 | concept10 | Im tired of Linux debates |
| 22:14.27 | douglas | i did it in like '95 |
| 22:14.34 | rbochan | Frozen-Solid: have a look at this, it might explain a bit more... http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html |
| 22:14.35 | jme | heh |
| 22:14.36 | paulswm | Yeah, me too, concept10 |
| 22:14.37 | randomity | Frozen-Solid: have you used FC3 |
| 22:14.37 | douglas | installed off of floppies .. it was ILL |
| 22:14.40 | zebalin | Where is the list of ! bot commands? |
| 22:14.46 | jme | douglas: haha |
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| 22:14.50 | AjLavJo | why is it good to update the bashrc? |
| 22:14.51 | Frozen-Solid | nope, i hate red hat, and fedora is basically red hat |
| 22:14.56 | jme | douglas: i got some sort of linux developer's resource kit from a computer show |
| 22:14.57 | concept10 | zebalin, in your !ass |
| 22:15.00 | jme | had some cds with it |
| 22:15.17 | randomity | It is fairly good, but has a truly horrible package management system |
| 22:15.19 | paulswm | zebalin: /msg dpkg help, listvals, listkeys commands also, but do it in a pm |
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| 22:15.27 | jme | slackware was a great firt distro, heh |
| 22:15.30 | jme | first |
| 22:15.55 | Frozen-Solid | i started with mandrake, learned on it, now i'm learning debian slowly via my gamecube - so far i really like both |
| 22:16.16 | douglas | jme: back in '92 i took over #hack on efnet without a script, just deopped everyone as fast as i could |
| 22:16.27 | AjLavJo | so where are the smartasses when ya need em? |
| 22:16.33 | randomity | Frozen-Solid: I'm still on dialup, so my distro choice is largely which mag I can find with cover CDs |
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| 22:16.46 | Frozen-Solid | haha randomity :D |
| 22:17.06 | zebalin | paulswm: how do I create a pm with ksirc? |
| 22:17.08 | paulswm | AjLavJo: your question makes no sense |
| 22:17.09 | jme | douglas: ok |
| 22:17.18 | Frozen-Solid | concept10: but it's so fun! :( |
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| 22:17.25 | green_earz | Frozen-Solid: here is a use full link for the debian world > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 22:17.26 | paulswm | zebalin: /msg |
| 22:17.45 | concept10 | Debian works good as desktop and server but is horrible on my toaster, apt-get will not install the correct bread settings |
| 22:17.56 | AjLavJo | atleast someone made an answer...then i don't touch it hehe |
| 22:17.58 | randomity | Frozen-Solid: I recently found a CD with all 7 Mandriva contrib disks, so thats my distro for now |
| 22:17.59 | paulswm | zebalin: I assume so, anyway, I don't use ksirc |
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| 22:18.01 | Phated | dpkg-reconfigure toaster, and you have to load the right toaster module. |
| 22:18.02 | douglas | problem was i did it on a terminal to a bsd box but i was coming in from a windows box and it crashed in a few hours ... lost the takeover .. I think that's what prompted me to install linux. |
| 22:18.08 | randomity | s/CD/magazine |
| 22:18.17 | beardy | concept10: Bake your own? |
| 22:18.24 | rbochan | Phated: it also needs io and irq settings |
| 22:18.30 | zebalin | paulswm: worked well. thanx. |
| 22:18.36 | Phated | Not if you use a 2.6.10 or above kernel. |
| 22:18.38 | rbochan | it's a PnP toaster |
| 22:18.42 | paulswm | zebalin: You're welcome. |
| 22:18.44 | crashbg | can anyone help me: i want to recompress a bunch of high-bitrate mp3's to mp3 again but with bitrate of 128 Kb/s, 44100 KHz |
| 22:18.48 | AjLavJo | and who said earlier about makeing observations? |
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| 22:19.04 | concept10 | I got a kernic panic when the bread was about to popup and the switch got stuck and bread wouldnt come out |
| 22:19.06 | douglas | jme: .. just was trying to team up with you to change the subject off of distros |
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| 22:19.22 | jme | douglas: sorry, had to reboot this windows machine |
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| 22:19.32 | douglas | heh |
| 22:19.36 | jme | (it's not mine) |
| 22:19.41 | randomity | concept10: Well, I've got NetBSD running on my sweeping brush |
| 22:19.44 | douglas | hey i figured |
| 22:19.46 | beardy | concept10: Buy a real toaster. |
| 22:19.49 | rbochan | jme: suuuuuuuuuure it's not |
| 22:19.52 | Phated | concept10: You'd need a hard reset, then. |
| 22:20.00 | jme | rbochan: you think i would ever own a dell? |
| 22:20.04 | rbochan | heh |
| 22:20.04 | jme | hah |
| 22:20.22 | Phated | Remember, toaster-generic NEVER works. |
| 22:20.25 | douglas | doc: I have a friend who thinks about his mother when he bangs his girlfriend |
| 22:20.25 | rbochan | is it the dell that comes with pre-installed spyware? |
| 22:20.30 | concept10 | hep |
| 22:20.32 | Frozen-Solid | you guys scare me. |
| 22:20.32 | paulswm | Eeeew |
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| 22:20.45 | jme | well i have owned a dell laptop before, in 98 or so, but nothing since then |
| 22:20.47 | paulswm | :beat douglas' friend |
| 22:20.50 | paulswm | !beat douglas' friend |
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| 22:20.55 | rbochan | jme: I have a dell laptop from 98 |
| 22:20.59 | Frozen-Solid | back to watching my movies. thanks fo rhte help :D |
| 22:20.59 | rbochan | or 97 |
| 22:21.03 | jme | rbochan: inspiron 3200, heh |
| 22:21.12 | rbochan | latitude cp 233mx |
| 22:21.14 | concept10 | Honestly, I am a true embedded linux finatic |
| 22:21.15 | jme | p2-266/112mb (upgraded) ram or something |
| 22:21.23 | Phated | Jeez, they had laptops in 97/98? |
| 22:21.38 | rbochan | Phated: yes.. before they caused sperm count damage |
| 22:21.39 | jme | Phated: they've had laptops since before you were born |
| 22:21.45 | paulswm | concept10: evidently embedded linux is too small for a spell checker though :P |
| 22:21.54 | douglas | (was continuing the "suuure you are" to jme's saying he's on a windows box which is his friend's ... |
| 22:22.02 | douglas | guess i crossed the line a little |
| 22:22.08 | beardy | jme: How do you know? |
| 22:22.16 | concept10 | paulswm, have to keep the feetprint small |
| 22:22.16 | jme | beardy: no idea, it just seemed to fit the conversation |
| 22:22.19 | jme | :D |
| 22:22.24 | jme | anyway, bbl, food time |
| 22:22.29 | paulswm | concept10: HAHA |
| 22:22.33 | concept10 | :) |
| 22:22.41 | lildude | old lap top flux box efe no kde gnome is cool |
| 22:22.53 | lildude | il give it that x windows and a home |
| 22:23.04 | drac | huh? |
| 22:23.12 | warnk | anyone have any experience with the i915 drivers for laptop? |
| 22:23.16 | paulswm | There were portables way more than 25 years ago, Phated |
| 22:23.19 | randomity | concept10: I'm trying to get linux onto a 1989 386 |
| 22:23.24 | douglas | warnk: Not me! |
| 22:23.34 | rbochan | randomity: good luck |
| 22:23.36 | concept10 | Has anyone read the Art of Unix programming by ESR? |
| 22:23.45 | AjLavJo | some don't have a life it seems :) but goodluck |
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| 22:23.49 | lildude | < p 150 with 80 ram think x windows |
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| 22:23.51 | Vladi | hi, can somone tell me how i can map to button 8 on my 10 button mouse to scroll lock iv tried all combinations of Button 8 in .imwheel rc but just doesnt recognize it while "xev" says button 8 is being pressed? |
| 22:23.53 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.54 | randomity | rbochan: google mulinux. Distributed on floppies |
| 22:23.56 | douglas | randomity: minix is still available |
| 22:24.12 | lilalinux | where can I put commands to be executed at boot time? |
| 22:24.15 | rbochan | randomity: I've seen it.. but have you tried potato? |
| 22:24.20 | douglas | debian's based on minix i heard |
| 22:24.31 | douglas | ;) |
| 22:24.35 | randomity | lilalinux: try somewhere in /etc/profile |
| 22:24.37 | AjLavJo | and knoppix ;) |
| 22:24.46 | rbochan | randomity: how little ram is in that thing? |
| 22:24.49 | concept10 | douglas, I thought debian came from slackware?? |
| 22:24.51 | randomity | rbochan: What's potato |
| 22:24.58 | rbochan | randomity: stable pre-woody |
| 22:25.08 | randomity | rbochan: A couple of meg, not sure exactly |
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| 22:25.16 | douglas | pre-woody .. heh |
| 22:25.23 | paulswm | randomity: I run Xenix on a 25MHz 386 (with 4mb of memory and a 100mb HDD) |
| 22:25.34 | concept10 | How many more characters are left in that damn movie for debian to use? |
| 22:25.37 | pipeline | paulswm: What version of Xenix? |
| 22:25.38 | paulswm | or used to, I haven't switched it on in a while |
| 22:25.39 | douglas | 25MHz?!! |
| 22:25.46 | randomity | The entire muLinux distro (Including samba, X, etc) is 6.7 MB |
| 22:25.59 | toresbe | paulswm: why did you leave #d-o? |
| 22:26.06 | lilalinux | randomity: it shall run only once after booting |
| 22:26.08 | Phated | paulswm: Those monstrosities were not "portable". |
| 22:26.08 | rbochan | I used to have a 'mini-linux' dostro that was 3 floppies and ran from dos |
| 22:26.08 | pipeline | douglas: The original Xenix ran on 8086s |
| 22:26.16 | concept10 | 2018... A debian distro called house of sid, next door |
| 22:26.28 | rbochan | default keymap was portuguese.. BITCH to change it when you have no idea wtf you're doing |
| 22:26.54 | douglas | MS was behind xenix?? and sco too? damn. |
| 22:26.59 | douglas | what a combo |
| 22:27.05 | randomity | lilalinux: Do it properly then. Make a script and put it in /etc/init.d an add symlinks to /etc/rcX.d where X is some runlevel. google SysV init for more |
| 22:27.31 | randomity | rbochan: mulinux can run from one disk, but you don't get much |
| 22:27.42 | lilalinux | so there is noting like boot.local or such |
| 22:27.47 | rbochan | oh, this even had mosaic |
| 22:27.47 | concept10 | randomity, maybe you can help me |
| 22:28.09 | paulswm | pipeline: SCO Xenix 2.3 |
| 22:28.26 | randomity | concept10: with whar? |
| 22:28.31 | randomity | what? |
| 22:28.35 | paulswm | toresbe: I was told to fuck off and die, so I did the first part :) |
| 22:28.53 | concept10 | randomity, Im looking for a online resource where I can learn the structure of the linux - how it boots and stuff - related to embedded. |
| 22:28.54 | toresbe | heh |
| 22:29.01 | toresbe | paulswm: We're still waiting on the 2nd ;) |
| 22:29.08 | toresbe | paulswm: (jk :P) |
| 22:29.13 | green_earz | lilalinux: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit |
| 22:29.21 | useruser | concept10: google for from power to bash prompt |
| 22:29.23 | randomity | concept10: try uclinux.org ucLinux is a modded kernel for embedded stuff |
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| 22:29.51 | randomity | concept10: It won't be anything like a normal distro |
| 22:30.19 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.19 | toresbe | DAMN YOU |
| 22:30.26 | toresbe | ...oh shit. |
| 22:30.34 | toresbe | Apologees. |
| 22:30.36 | concept10 | heh |
| 22:30.53 | randomity | concept10: http://uclinux.org |
| 22:30.54 | rbochan | toresbe: I dub thee nvz-jr |
| 22:31.04 | toresbe | rbochan: hahah. |
| 22:31.19 | toresbe | It did this on purpose to make an ass of me. It has cunning. |
| 22:31.20 | AjLavJo | i couldn't had sait it better myself ;) |
| 22:31.46 | concept10 | The best part of waking up ................... |
| 22:31.58 | concept10 | is Folders in youur cuuuuuuuuuuupppppppp1 |
| 22:32.24 | concept10 | sorry, time for coffee |
| 22:32.50 | randomity | concept10: There's too much blood in my caffeine system! |
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| 22:32.59 | paulswm | toresbe: heh, the 2nd will happen some day, hopefully naturally and gently without the chalk line around the body :) |
| 22:33.01 | TheQ` | how do i see whats running on port 21. Its not my ftp |
| 22:33.04 | Phated | You're all certifiable. |
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| 22:33.16 | initech | TheQ`: lsof -i |
| 22:33.24 | randomity | TheQ`: netstat -a |
| 22:33.34 | shingouz | Phated: yes we are. that is why we are still online here :p |
| 22:33.36 | parity_ | netstat -ap |
| 22:33.39 | Phated | paulswm: Do not go gentle into that good night! |
| 22:33.42 | parity_ | -p show process ID |
| 22:34.02 | shingouz | paulswm: toresbe went to drain off a few gallons of beer |
| 22:34.13 | paulswm | Phated: I meant to say earlier "comparatively portable", considering that most boxes with any computing power weighed several tons :) |
| 22:34.31 | paulswm | Phated: You quoted my countryman and fave poet :) |
| 22:34.39 | Phated | paulswm: I know. :) |
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| 22:35.48 | TheQ` | tcp 0 0 aether.acraces.org:ftp *:* LISTEN 10207/inetd |
| 22:35.53 | TheQ` | But its not running |
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| 22:36.27 | greylion | Phated: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010222 |
| 22:36.32 | randomity | TheQ`: inetd listens and only starts an ftp process when somebody tries to connect |
| 22:36.33 | Phated | What? |
| 22:36.38 | rbochan | TheQ`: tried killing inetd? |
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| 22:37.14 | randomity | TheQ`: edit /etc/inetd.conf and remove the ftp part. Then restart inetd |
| 22:37.17 | Phated | greylion: Hahah. |
| 22:37.30 | TheQ` | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration |
| 22:37.41 | StriderZ | Anyone know what the deal is with bug #318098 (Unable to install jackd without having it remove many packages)? I kinda need jackd :) |
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| 22:38.01 | rbochan | StriderZ: you can manually install the oler version |
| 22:38.08 | rbochan | *older |
| 22:38.17 | StriderZ | rbochan: happen to know the version number I should specify? |
| 22:38.28 | rbochan | no, it's 0.8somethingsomething |
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| 22:38.56 | StriderZ | rbochan: where would I go to find out the old version number? |
| 22:38.56 | acke | Hi when i start my kde i have my drives added to the desctop. I remove them, but when i restart the emerge on the desktop again. how do i make them not appear? |
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| 22:39.09 | rbochan | I got it when apt complained |
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| 22:39.29 | rbochan | acke: in the kde control center, there's a place to set which devices are on the desktop |
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| 22:40.27 | randomity | rbochan: EVERYTHING is in the kde control centre, somewhere.. |
| 22:40.36 | rbochan | hance the name :P |
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| 22:40.46 | metaperl | randomity: except the stuff in Info Center :) |
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| 22:40.55 | chaps0063 | I'm trying to setup partitions. I currently have NTFS, when I create /boot, swaparea, /, I cannot create /home, the rest of the space is tagged as unusable? |
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| 22:41.15 | randomity | meteperl: Isn't Info Center in the control centre? |
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| 22:41.22 | plb | chaps0063: to many primaries? |
| 22:41.23 | rbochan | randomity: no |
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| 22:41.27 | randomity | Oh |
| 22:41.41 | chaps0063 | plb: hmm...which out of those could I make logical? |
| 22:41.48 | toresbe | however, distributed among days :P |
| 22:41.53 | plb | chaps0063: home? |
| 22:41.53 | acke | rbochan, I removed every option from the desktop in the control panel. they appear anyway.. |
| 22:41.56 | Gros_mathou-- | root@1[mat]# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 22:41.56 | Gros_mathou-- | mount: périphérique de type bloc/dev/cdrom est protégé en écriture, on le monte en lecture seulement |
| 22:41.56 | Gros_mathou-- | mount: Aucun medium trouvé |
| 22:42.05 | chaps0063 | plb: and that will function alright as logical? |
| 22:42.11 | plb | sure |
| 22:42.26 | rbochan | acke: short of that, I'm not sure what to tell you |
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| 22:42.33 | Gros_mathou-- | Anyone knows how to mount my cdrom? |
| 22:42.34 | chaps0063 | plb: thanks, I knew it was something dumb.. |
| 22:42.41 | plb | np |
| 22:43.25 | Phated | Gros_mathou--: Try mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 22:43.32 | acke | rbochan, under the tab device icons. i removed the show icons. :( well i guess i have to have them ther for now.. :) ty anyway.. |
| 22:43.51 | Phated | Gros_mathou--: Granted, I don't understand the error message, so it might be something else. |
| 22:44.32 | rbochan | acke: when you created them, were they symlinks or were they created with kde control center? |
| 22:44.41 | paulswm | Gros_mathou--: also try asking in #debian-france |
| 22:44.52 | Phated | s/ance// |
| 22:45.00 | Phated | !fr |
| 22:45.00 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 22:45.04 | Phated | Whoops. |
| 22:45.14 | paulswm | !pal Phated |
| 22:45.23 | paulswm | :P |
| 22:45.26 | Phated | !phatedsmite paulswm |
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| 22:45.38 | paulswm | !singlishsmite Phated |
| 22:45.38 | dpkg | Phated: Why so gorblock, you? |
| 22:45.51 | Phated | You laughter is defeated by my imperturble eyebrows! |
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| 22:46.00 | randomity | Hmm. A flamewar where dpkg does all the work |
| 22:46.13 | Phated | Don't say you haven't seen it done. |
| 22:46.16 | paulswm | You laughter are belong to us |
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| 22:46.25 | Phated | All your brows are belong to us. |
| 22:46.45 | randomity | All your badly translated phrases are belong to us |
| 22:47.06 | paulswm | We are a sad bunch, I must say |
| 22:47.11 | Phated | No kidding. |
| 22:47.34 | plb | you dumb ricers ;] |
| 22:47.42 | Phated | EWRONGCHAN |
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| 22:47.54 | dk0r | how do i configure mouseemu? im new to linux |
| 22:47.58 | lilliput | would like to know if anyone get an url to get a open database with backbone lat/long ? |
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| 22:48.26 | plb | argh how many apple on intel stories are gonna be on /. ffs |
| 22:48.29 | dk0r | how do i configure mouseemu? im new to linux. Mouseemu defaults to f10, but i want it to work via cntrl+click |
| 22:48.43 | paulswm | I must be tired, I didn't get that url question at all. |
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| 22:49.09 | luulis | dk0r: you could check the manpage and documentation of it.. man mouseemu and check /usr/share/doc/mouseemu |
| 22:49.10 | Phated | paulswm: You assume, of course, that questions in #d are phrased in a way that is understood by most of humanity. |
| 22:49.15 | beardy | dk0r: Read it's documentation. Check it's configuration files. |
| 22:49.34 | dk0r | beardy: i read doc's. I dont know how to get to the configuration file |
| 22:49.35 | TheQ` | now proftpd is starting but not allowing connections |
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| 22:49.54 | paulswm | Phated: True. That means that I *am* tired. :) |
| 22:50.00 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 22:50.01 | dk0r | nanoe /etc/default/mouseemu shhows nothing |
| 22:50.06 | randomity | TheQ`: is this throughproftpd or inetd |
| 22:50.10 | lildude | does any one got a hard drive i can get |
| 22:50.18 | beardy | dk0r: And I don't know what that program is. |
| 22:50.38 | plb | hrm phated that name sounds familiar did you use to be on efnet years ago? or was that someone else ;] |
| 22:50.39 | dk0r | its a mouse emulator for powerbooks |
| 22:50.44 | paulswm | I have two spare 40GB HDs if you want to drive over and pick them up, lildude |
| 22:50.44 | TheQ` | it starts via inted |
| 22:50.51 | Phated | NO! I've been asked that before, and NO! |
| 22:50.57 | rbochan | heh |
| 22:50.58 | Phated | Never, ever EVER was I on efnet. |
| 22:51.04 | plb | heh |
| 22:51.13 | randomity | TheQ`: check /etc/inetd.conf and see if you have a firewall up |
| 22:51.20 | Phated | paulswm: Have any <40g laptop harddisks? :D |
| 22:51.25 | lildude | paulswn see what it cost to ship it to me il give you addy |
| 22:51.27 | Phated | Ehm, >40. |
| 22:51.31 | plb | Phated: you sure? =] |
| 22:51.42 | Phated | plb: Yes, fuck you, I am. |
| 22:51.46 | plb | lol |
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| 22:52.02 | Phated | There's no way I was on efnet years ago. |
| 22:52.13 | TheQ` | dont see a firewal |
| 22:52.15 | paulswm | Phated: Yes, I have a surplus 20GB laptop HD |
| 22:52.17 | StriderZ | rbochan: it seems that I don't have any older versions of jackd available for install. |
| 22:52.25 | Phated | paulswm: I said >40g. :( |
| 22:52.31 | randomity | Phated. Hmm. Where have I heard that name before. Were you on, perhaps, efnet? |
| 22:52.32 | rbochan | StriderZ: I said _manually_ |
| 22:52.44 | lildude | cool how you you talk in private |
| 22:52.47 | Phated | randomity: Sad. |
| 22:52.48 | rbochan | grab it off oneo f the mirrors from the same directory as the newer version |
| 22:52.52 | lildude | i want bot that 40 and lap top 20 |
| 22:52.57 | TheQ` | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 22:53.01 | randomity | Phated: You have no idea |
| 22:53.12 | Phated | randomity: I do, actually. |
| 22:53.16 | StriderZ | rbochan: oh! my bad :) |
| 22:53.17 | paulswm | Phated: No, I have 1x40Gb and 1x2GB, sorry :) |
| 22:53.25 | kev1n | if anyone on here is a power kmail user.... i need to know how to turn on "import" function as mine is greyed out? |
| 22:53.27 | lildude | 40 will be aok |
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| 22:53.40 | lildude | pm il need addy to get siping price |
| 22:53.47 | randomity | Phated: You must, you're on #debian. hehe ;-) |
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| 22:53.50 | Phated | paulswm: EUSUX. :) |
| 22:54.06 | plb | hey there is a howto rice on gentoo forums http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-309752.html |
| 22:54.08 | rbochan | kev1n: now that you mention it, it is here too |
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| 22:54.29 | kev1n | yeah rbochan |
| 22:54.36 | lildude | paulswn prive message me |
| 22:54.36 | paulswm | lildude: I was kidding, I thought you were also, sorry. I have two spare 40GBs but they are spares just in case I need them. |
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| 22:54.51 | rbochan | kev1n: perhaps that's a function of one of the 'suggested' packages? |
| 22:55.01 | lildude | no i need a hard drive il apy for it shiping |
| 22:55.01 | kev1n | uummmm |
| 22:55.05 | paulswm | Anyway, Hds are real cheap these days |
| 22:55.20 | lildude | not for 40 there not made |
| 22:55.26 | sts9 | Im having trouble getting modules to work properly on my debian system. I choose modules in the kernel install and then they dont load or show up in modconf. |
| 22:55.28 | Phated | Get 60, then? |
| 22:55.34 | kev1n | thanks for the suggestion rbochan |
| 22:55.34 | lildude | i in remote spot canada |
| 22:55.41 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.45 | rbochan | kev1n: I'[m thinking along the lines of kdebase-kio-plugins |
| 22:55.49 | rbochan | but I can't say for sure |
| 22:55.57 | kev1n | kewl... |
| 22:55.58 | Phated | sts9: They're probably built in since you selected them. If you selected "yes". |
| 22:56.06 | randomity | lildude: I could offer you a 40G hd. I'm in Ireland |
| 22:56.22 | sts9 | no. I shoose M for my sound modules |
| 22:56.24 | kev1n | thanks once again rbochan |
| 22:56.30 | Phated | Ah. Well. |
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| 22:56.34 | rbochan | good luck |
| 22:56.36 | v0L7r[-]n | window goto 2 |
| 22:56.37 | paulswm | lildude: newegg has plenty of 40GB HDs, starting at $49. |
| 22:56.38 | kev1n | :) |
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| 22:57.13 | sts9 | I read about modules howto but they dont seem to apply to debian cause debian has dpkg |
| 22:57.15 | lildude | new egg dont ship to canada |
| 22:57.37 | lildude | id have to get american freind buy it and ship to canada |
| 22:57.50 | rbochan | kev1n: http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/kmail take a look at the 'recommends' and 'suggests' |
| 22:58.06 | Phated | lildude: *cough*paulswm*cough* |
| 22:58.17 | lildude | what? |
| 22:58.28 | sts9 | does dpkg take care of make modules and modules_install? |
| 22:58.58 | lildude | il keep loking around |
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| 22:59.17 | rbochan | sts9: not that I'm aware of |
| 22:59.32 | paulswm | Phated: I'm not American :P |
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| 22:59.46 | QubeZ | hello all |
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| 23:00.09 | rbochan | sts9: make-kpkg does though |
| 23:00.13 | QubeZ | in postfix when it says to=<email address>, is that mailto: as in mail is coming from this address or mail going to this address? |
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| 23:00.42 | Lanix | hello every one :P |
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| 23:00.59 | metaperl | could someone tell me which version of the Opera browser to d/l based on my sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/17865 |
| 23:01.00 | richb | Ello all |
| 23:01.02 | metaperl | Lanix: hi |
| 23:01.08 | rbochan | sts9: check this out... http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/kernel-pkg/index-kernel-pkg.html |
| 23:01.25 | rbochan | metaperl: 6.12 :) |
| 23:01.47 | paulswm | lildude: It took me about 20 seconds to find a Canadian web site with a 40GB HD for sale |
| 23:01.48 | metaperl | rbochan: I dont see that as an option... |
| 23:01.55 | metaperl | I listed all the version |
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| 23:02.00 | lildude | which sight |
| 23:02.09 | sts9 | ok |
| 23:02.11 | sts9 | thanks |
| 23:02.18 | paulswm | lildude: : NCIX.com |
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| 23:02.48 | rbochan | metaperl: what debian branch are you running? |
| 23:02.57 | lildude | oh |
| 23:02.59 | metaperl | rbochan: testing/un stable |
| 23:03.01 | rbochan | oh, etch? |
| 23:03.04 | metaperl | according to cat /etc/debian_versio |
| 23:03.07 | rbochan | then get the Sid version |
| 23:03.09 | metaperl | I think so... |
| 23:03.11 | lildude | thanks paulsvm il check it out |
| 23:03.13 | metaperl | how would I know |
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| 23:03.47 | rbochan | if it barfs, try the Sarge |
| 23:03.48 | paulswm | lildude: and www.tigerdirect.ca has some |
| 23:03.56 | sts9 | rbochan: yeah Ive read that, but it only mention 3rd party modules. Where are modules stored and what file loads them if you have differnet kernels installed? |
| 23:04.02 | plb | hrm..doesn't ubuntu follow debian guidelines about packaging certain stuff like say mplayer? |
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| 23:04.20 | plb | that philosopy i mean |
| 23:04.30 | rbochan | sts9: modules live in /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/ |
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| 23:04.42 | concept10 | Any thunderbird users here that use RSS feeds? |
| 23:04.50 | chaps0063 | does anyone use napster and have the music downloaded from there playing and working on a non-windows box? |
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| 23:05.01 | paulswm | plb: That's really a question for ubuntu, they would know what guidelines they follow |
| 23:05.07 | Babbage | hello |
| 23:05.16 | rbochan | sts9: they are called for my /et/modules.conf (but i use the modconf utility to insert and remove them myself) |
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| 23:05.18 | sts9 | rbochan: and is the script that loads them in each /lib/modules/ folder? |
| 23:05.31 | rbochan | oops, typos r us |
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| 23:05.37 | randomity | Everybody say hello to Babbage! He invented the Difference Engine, after all :-) |
| 23:05.38 | rbochan | sts9: they are called for by /etc/modules.conf (but i use the modconf utility to insert and remove them myself) |
| 23:05.51 | plb | paulswm: yeah probably so I thought they did, but I see they have mplayer..so i spose that isn't the case |
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| 23:05.58 | paulswm | And the Analytical Engine! |
| 23:06.05 | Babbage | randomity> Er, yes, I've been /away for quite a while... |
| 23:06.15 | sts9 | rbochan: ah see if I have different kernels that use different modules things get screwed up in the modules.conf possibly? |
| 23:06.31 | rbochan | geez, make that /etc/modules |
| 23:06.39 | rbochan | !slap rbochan |
| 23:06.49 | randomity | Babbage: I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but computing has moved on somewhat since then... |
| 23:07.11 | randomity | We now have viruses, spyware, malware, Windows, etc |
| 23:07.23 | randomity | Sorry, I mentioned Windows 4 times |
| 23:07.28 | rbochan | sts9: the modules that load at startup are in the /etc/modules file, not modules.conf |
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| 23:07.54 | paulswm | Babbage: Glad you're back, I've been trying to upgrade from Difference to Analytical but there appears to be a broken gearwheel dependency and I can't find the bearings packages, please fix the distro. |
| 23:07.58 | Babbage | randomity> The principles are still the same. Space-versus-speed, storage consumption, algorith complexity analysis, cog rotation speed, steam-boiler capacity, etc. |
| 23:08.10 | sts9 | ok - then how does debian manage loading different kernels with different module needs? |
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| 23:08.56 | randomity | Babbage: true enough. Sadly, my steam boiler isn't yet big enough to roast Bill Gates |
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| 23:09.09 | Babbage | paulswm> Babbage Computation Engines Inc. recommends that users of our now-unsupported products upgrade to MCC Linux. |
| 23:09.10 | rbochan | sts9: if it's calling ofr a module that doesnt' exist, the boot logs (dmesg, syslog, etc) will show complaints |
| 23:09.36 | dk0r | anyone use kompose? |
| 23:09.41 | sts9 | right, Ive got a bunch of those in dmesg |
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| 23:09.51 | randomity | Babbage: apt-get install bearing |
| 23:09.56 | sts9 | haha. and my /etc/modules file is empty |
| 23:10.07 | rbochan | then you're not loading any modules |
| 23:10.19 | sts9 | I guess I thought the debian make utils took care of that |
| 23:10.35 | Babbage | I've been using a keyboard with KDE. If I switch to Gnome, will I have to use a geyboard? I'm not so sure about that, it sounds dubious... |
| 23:10.43 | rbochan | sts9: like I said, I use the modconf utility for all that, it makes my life simpler |
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| 23:11.28 | randomity | Babbage: But the geyboard is so much better! It doesn't have all those buttons that clutter the KDE imitation |
| 23:11.29 | paulswm | Heh, Babbage |
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| 23:11.49 | dk0r | anyone use kompose? |
| 23:11.51 | chaps0063 | does anyone use napster and have the music downloaded from there playing and working on a non-windows box? |
| 23:12.07 | rbochan | napster? |
| 23:12.14 | Babbage | dk0r> still no. |
| 23:12.14 | paulswm | Babbage: it's a gneyboard :) |
| 23:12.24 | chaps0063 | rbochan: yeah. |
| 23:12.26 | Babbage | !tell dk0r about repeating |
| 23:12.43 | chaps0063 | rbochan: haha...its free to me at college. |
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| 23:12.58 | rbochan | I bet it's not free |
| 23:13.06 | sts9 | rbochan: hmmm My sound modules that I choose arent in modconf. just the couple modules I made in my first custom kernel. none from the kernels after that |
| 23:13.06 | rbochan | it was part of your fees |
| 23:13.17 | chaps0063 | rbochan: yes, but its at no additional cost. |
| 23:13.18 | randomity | Babbage: its a TANRK: TANRKs are not recursive keyboards |
| 23:13.28 | Babbage | heh |
| 23:13.44 | sts9 | rbochan: hmmm I have the vfat, ntfs adn msdos ones and thats all it gives me. I used to built everything in |
| 23:13.45 | rbochan | chaps0063: if you believe that, I have this bridge for sale... |
| 23:14.05 | sts9 | now Im trying to switch to more modules so I can give them params |
| 23:14.15 | paulswm | I have some prime Florida swamp^Wfarmland for sale also |
| 23:14.25 | rbochan | sts9: if you built them in, they son't exist as modules |
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| 23:14.42 | Babbage | I've been updating the findutils documentation. It needs more examples. Can somebody suggest to me an interesting thing that one might want to use find or locate for? |
| 23:14.50 | loost | i need to know how to setup my mp3 player to be used as a usb flach drive |
| 23:15.01 | kev1n | rbochan: linux planet tells you how to setup import features for kmail...... but the first thing is to configure settings for network in "configure kmail" under settings.. but in my setup....there is NO network option to change...:( |
| 23:15.02 | loost | flash* |
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| 23:15.17 | sts9 | rbochan: but I just compiled a kernel 2.6.8 with my sound and wireless card drivers as modules |
| 23:15.38 | sts9 | is modconf pointing to the wrong kernel? |
| 23:15.52 | rbochan | chaps0063: clicky clicky... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/06/dell_napster_college/ |
| 23:15.57 | wgandhi | Does anyone have the command line to use to convert from a .vob file to a divx avi file? |
| 23:16.02 | sts9 | wrong /lib/modules/<kernel> that is |
| 23:16.02 | rbochan | sts9: unlikely, iyt points at the current running kernel |
| 23:16.33 | jme | wgandhi: http://www.brentnorris.net/dvd.html |
| 23:16.47 | sts9 | ok, I see |
| 23:16.48 | rbochan | kev1n: under Settings/Configure Kmail/Accounts? |
| 23:16.58 | kev1n | yeah |
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| 23:17.05 | sts9 | I assumed it pointed to the newest created/copiled |
| 23:17.13 | sts9 | *compiled |
| 23:17.16 | rbochan | sts9: no, it points at what's running |
| 23:17.38 | rbochan | kev1n: you should see "Sending" and Receiving" tabs |
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| 23:17.49 | kev1n | rbochan: inder network you need to enable IMAP |
| 23:17.51 | jme | wgandhi: you should also be able to install dvdrip with apt |
| 23:17.58 | sts9 | ok thanks youve been a big help. Why I waited so long to learn about modules I have no idea. haha. |
| 23:18.05 | kev1n | there is no option under accounts to do that |
| 23:18.09 | paulswm | Some dumbass was apparently killed by a 12 foot gator here today, went swimming in a canal, not too smart, so if one of our regular questioners is missing, you know what happened. |
| 23:18.15 | rixth | Postfix is having a little issue delivering mail. http://pastebin.com/31470 I have resolvconf installed. |
| 23:18.31 | kev1n | paulswm.... where is "here" |
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| 23:18.35 | rbochan | kev1n: it sounds borked, mine has all that |
| 23:18.38 | paulswm | kev1n: Florida |
| 23:18.45 | kev1n | OK |
| 23:18.50 | kev1n | ta to both of you |
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| 23:19.06 | Vinland | I used to be able to use X, the other day I tried out VNC now my X does not work. I have no idea why and I may start to cry. I've outlined the problem here http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?p=821036#post821036 |
| 23:19.15 | wgandhi | jme.. thanx for the info.. I will try and let u know.. |
| 23:19.19 | rbochan | kev1n: check out the "Misc" section |
| 23:19.20 | sts9 | one other question, for anyone here - is there any advantage to use Ubuntu or Kubuntu over Debian (testing)? |
| 23:19.31 | Babbage | sts9> try #religion |
| 23:19.36 | rbochan | heh |
| 23:19.37 | kev1n | ta rob...i will |
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| 23:19.49 | paulswm | kev1n: Some of our larger tourists tend to wear stretch clothing like lycra, poor gator prolly thought he was an oven reay turkey |
| 23:19.53 | rbochan | kev1n: there's a groupware tab therre with imap settings |
| 23:20.08 | Babbage | paulswm> please, I've just been eating |
| 23:20.11 | sts9 | well what does Ubuntu have that Debian (testing or unstable) doesnt? i dont get the point of iut |
| 23:20.23 | Babbage | sts9> You could ask #ubuntu. |
| 23:20.42 | paulswm | Sorry, I'll stop with the OT noise |
| 23:20.43 | rbochan | !tell sts9 about based on debian |
| 23:20.49 | v0L7r[-]n | How do I enter level 3 in Debian ? |
| 23:21.09 | Babbage | v0L7r[-]n> You mean runlevel 3? |
| 23:21.16 | v0L7r[-]n | ya |
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| 23:21.33 | Babbage | v0L7r[-]n> Do you want the answer in l337 speak or in English? |
| 23:21.37 | kev1n | rbochan.... yeah... found that... kewl.... thanks for that |
| 23:21.40 | paulswm | v0L7r[-]n: runlevel 2 is the default, if you want to use an additional runlevel for something custom, man inittab |
| 23:21.50 | v0L7r[-]n | mmh |
| 23:21.53 | rbochan | good luck |
| 23:21.54 | sts9 | I know its based on debian. I just dont understand what they have that debian unstable doesnt. |
| 23:21.56 | rixth | Vinland, I suggest running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfrteee86 |
| 23:22.01 | sts9 | seems the same to me |
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| 23:22.08 | v0L7r[-]n | I don;t know, the one I wont understand maybe |
| 23:22.09 | rixth | Err, make that xserver-xfree96 |
| 23:22.17 | Babbage | v0L7r[-]n> English it is then :) |
| 23:22.18 | sts9 | just a prettier box and 6 month release cycles |
| 23:22.19 | paulswm | v0L7r[-]n: But debian standard installation only uses runlevel1 and 2 |
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| 23:22.28 | sts9 | << not try to flame |
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| 23:22.29 | sts9 | haha |
| 23:22.31 | masoft | how can I see the list of installed packages ? |
| 23:22.44 | paulswm | masoft: dpkg -l |
| 23:22.44 | enyc | mas: "dpkg --get-selections" works, I think... |
| 23:22.45 | `DamN` | I'd like to buy cheap,good notebook ready for Debian, does anybody here has an idea ? |
| 23:22.59 | rbochan | smoke break |
| 23:23.01 | v0L7r[-]n | wow the command must be huge |
| 23:23.05 | masoft | paulswm, it will show some of packages that I removed ! |
| 23:23.15 | paulswm | masoft: correction, if you want to see the full names, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 23:23.38 | Babbage | v0L7r[-]n> OK. You can easily switch runlevels with "telinit". See the mapage for details. It will normally wait for you to log out before actually changing runlevel. But (and this is a big but) while in other distributions it is common to have to change runlevel to activate other things (GDM for example)l, in Debian that's done via a different mechanism and you would normally stay in the default runlevel, 2. |
| 23:23.39 | sts9 | `DamN` : Im using a toshiba satellite 330CDS 233Mhz with 160 RAM on Icewm and it works great |
| 23:23.50 | paulswm | masoft: Then you didn't remove them compeltely, anyway the flags tell you, so "dpkg -l|grep ^ii" |
| 23:23.58 | Babbage | v0L7r[-]n> Does that answer your question? Why did you want to change runlevel? |
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| 23:24.02 | Jacky^ | hi all |
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| 23:24.08 | behrouz | help, how do i check whether the COW(copy on write) mode works on a disk image? (bootin uml from this disk image) |
| 23:24.11 | Babbage | Jacky^: hi |
| 23:24.12 | GoatRoby | I need this value to be set everytime at boot, what to do? ... echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:24.23 | sts9 | I know people with new MS computers infested with viruses and spyware that are slower then my 233 linux |
| 23:24.30 | masoft | paulswm, what RC flag means ? |
| 23:24.34 | v0L7r[-]n | what the |
| 23:24.35 | `DamN` | sts9: about $750 ... |
| 23:24.42 | v0L7r[-]n | I'll look into it |
| 23:24.43 | Jacky^ | can't understand why apt-get dist-upgrade want remove gaim from Sid :\ |
| 23:24.51 | v0L7r[-]n | I have tried telinit |
| 23:25.05 | behrouz | help, how do i check whether the COW(copy on write) mode works on a disk image? (bootin uml from this disk image) |
| 23:25.09 | v0L7r[-]n | I have to configure XF8a6Config |
| 23:25.11 | sts9 | `DamN` : I got mine for $15 and upgraded the RAM |
| 23:25.18 | bob-zi-ho | :| |
| 23:25.19 | Babbage | v0L7r[-]n> Well, you're done then, yes? It worked? |
| 23:25.41 | v0L7r[-]n | I'm looking into it |
| 23:25.56 | v0L7r[-]n | but thanks |
| 23:25.58 | `DamN` | sts9: super ;-) great price, but I live in eastern Europe ;-) |
| 23:26.00 | paulswm | masoft: The header lines of dpkg -l tell you that" Remove, Config-files - meaning that you didn't purge the package, just removed it, so the config files are still there. |
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| 23:26.18 | WillySilly | how can i find the subdomains of a domain? |
| 23:26.24 | masoft | behrouz, if you need to write on readonly images, must use Unionfs :P (temporary write) |
| 23:26.27 | sts9 | I got it at a rummage sale |
| 23:26.34 | Babbage | WillySilly> no easy way to do it without doing a zone XFER. |
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| 23:26.38 | `DamN` | WillySilly: use dig and axfr |
| 23:27.06 | Babbage | All nameservers which are publically accessible should have domain trasfers turned off of course |
| 23:27.35 | `DamN` | yes, of course, because security ;-) |
| 23:27.57 | masoft | paulswm, how can I purge the package ? :-s |
| 23:28.10 | paulswm | masoft: apt-get --purge |
| 23:28.13 | pl0nk | say Is it better to use the unofficial sarge amd64 port, or start with etch? |
| 23:28.14 | exobyte | I need to get a usb serial dongle. Anyone know of a list of supported ones? |
| 23:28.24 | paulswm | masoft: or aptitude purge if you use aptitude |
| 23:28.32 | masoft | paulswm, thanks ;) |
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| 23:28.40 | WillySilly | would i use axfrdns? |
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| 23:28.54 | enyc | axfrdns -- TCP dns server for djbdns squite |
| 23:29.03 | shingouz | exobyte: belkin seems to work (unless the have changed the thing) |
| 23:29.05 | `DamN` | WillySilly: no, as Babbage said : no easy way without axfr :-( |
| 23:29.27 | WillySilly | i've done it before with a program |
| 23:29.35 | enyc | exob: maybe you should look in the kernel source drivers list.. |
| 23:29.35 | WillySilly | i just cant figure out what it was called |
| 23:29.39 | pl0nk | say anyone using amd64 here? |
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| 23:30.03 | Jacky^ | latest dist-upgrade on Sid want remover gaim, is there a reason for this ? |
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| 23:30.14 | Babbage | pl0nk> you might have better luck in #amd64 |
| 23:30.20 | WaREX | I have just installed backstreet/ruby patch to my sarge, it it supposed to add "dumbcon=4" to the lilo config, the thing is that I have grub, not lilo, is there a way to do the same with grub? |
| 23:30.22 | pl0nk | say thanks |
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| 23:30.24 | WillySilly | well, how would i go about do an axfr ? |
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| 23:30.28 | paulswm | masoft: you're welcome |
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| 23:30.49 | Vantage__ | anyone here know why bootcd might be creating /etc, /tmp, etc as read only and not mounting them in ram? |
| 23:30.55 | masoft | paulswm, how can I use --purge ?! it will show the help when I write apt-get --purge |
| 23:31.10 | `DamN` | masoft: apt-get --purge remove package_name |
| 23:31.11 | enyc | vant: err, what boot cd ;-) |
| 23:31.13 | Babbage | No, it's dpkg --purge packagename |
| 23:31.13 | paulswm | masoft: man apt-get |
| 23:31.28 | Tecky` | apt-get remove package works aswell |
| 23:31.34 | enyc | vant: erm... e.g. if you are thinking of KNOPPIX, newer version uses 'unionfs' support.... |
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| 23:31.35 | Vantage__ | enyc: bootcd (it's a debian package for making live CDs) |
| 23:31.45 | rbochan | masoft: clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
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| 23:32.01 | Babbage | `DamN`> didn't know that, thanks! |
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| 23:32.13 | paulswm | See you all, stay safe |
| 23:32.18 | enyc | vant: hrrm not familair with that |
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| 23:32.29 | rbochan | paulswm: stay out of the canals ;) |
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| 23:32.57 | Vantage__ | enyc: it's supposed to put /etc/ /tmp /root and /home into a ramdisk so they can be rw but it doesn't seem to do that when i create an image |
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| 23:33.23 | WillySilly | well, how would i go about do a zone transfer? |
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| 23:33.34 | masoft | Vantage__, sometime they are going really big like when install Gnome (/etc) ! |
| 23:33.35 | rbochan | Vantage__: have you checked out the howtos at http://www.debian-administration.org/ ? |
| 23:33.51 | behrouz | how do i check to see whether the COW mode works on my disk image?????????????????? |
| 23:34.22 | Babbage | behrouz> I think we don't know. Otherwise we would have told you. Do /tell dpkg tell me about repeating |
| 23:34.30 | Vantage__ | rbochan: yeah i have. there's actually someone else who has the same problem (second comment from the bottom) |
| 23:34.38 | Babbage | Sorry that should be /meg not /tell |
| 23:34.39 | Vantage__ | rbochan: no one's responded to it yet though |
| 23:34.42 | rbochan | d'oh |
| 23:34.45 | rbochan | ok |
| 23:34.49 | masoft | behrouz, I think you can change mounted Images ... |
| 23:34.49 | Vantage__ | rbochan: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/148 |
| 23:35.00 | masoft | behrouz, s/can/can't |
| 23:35.27 | rbochan | Vantage__: you using scsi as well? |
| 23:35.33 | masoft | behrouz, it's what kind of image ?! ISO ? |
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| 23:35.42 | rixth | Postfix is having a little issue delivering mail. http://pastebin.com/31470 I have resolvconf installed. Any ideas? |
| 23:35.49 | behrouz | masoft: its a disk image that i boot UML from |
| 23:35.50 | Vantage__ | rbochan: the machine the image was created on uses scsi yes |
| 23:36.01 | rbochan | wonder if that's got anything to do with it |
| 23:36.27 | Vantage__ | rbochan: but i also built it with mkinitrd to detect hardware, so i'm not sure it should make a difference |
| 23:36.28 | rbochan | rixth: there's nothing there :( |
| 23:36.41 | mike-m | what to do when I have broken packages (under unstable of course) ? |
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| 23:36.53 | rbochan | Vantage__: that's well beyond my experience, I'm just throwing things out there |
| 23:36.58 | rixth | rbochan, weird! |
| 23:37.04 | behrouz | masoft: was told to check whether the COW mode works on the disk image, no clue where to start from |
| 23:37.06 | mike-m | or more simple, what to do when I don't know what I can do ? :) |
| 23:37.07 | Vantage__ | rbochan: no problem, i appreciate it |
| 23:37.11 | fman | guys, I've just moved frm 2.4.27 to 2.6.11 and it looks like I need to reconfigure module-assistant |
| 23:37.17 | Gumby | does anyone know if there is some type of software that will allow a text message to be sent to my phone when I receive an email? Not even sure if this is possible on a privately run mail server or not. |
| 23:37.17 | fman | as it thinks I'm running 2.4.27 still |
| 23:37.18 | rixth | What the hell. Okay, repaste |
| 23:37.22 | fman | how can I reconfigure it |
| 23:37.34 | PerfDave | fman: What are you trying to do with module-assistant? |
| 23:37.34 | WillySilly | well, how would i go about doing a zone transfer? |
| 23:37.38 | masoft | behrouz, sorry, I don't know too |
| 23:37.49 | behrouz | thanks anyways |
| 23:37.55 | mike-m | fman, apt-get remove --purge module-assistant && apt-get install module-assistant ? |
| 23:38.05 | rixth | Postfix is having a little issue delivering mail. http://pastebin.com/314708 have resolvconf installed. Any ideas? (The link works now) |
| 23:38.17 | Babbage | WillySilly> you just find a misconfigured nameserver, and go ahead by using the toold that come with bind, I think |
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| 23:38.28 | PerfDave | mike-m: If you have broken packages in unstable, fix them :) |
| 23:38.37 | rbochan | rixth: is gmail down at the moment? |
| 23:38.41 | mike-m | I never maintain any package :/ |
| 23:38.48 | mike-m | s/I/I had |
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| 23:39.06 | PerfDave | mike-m: That doesn't stop you from finding bugs, reporting them, finding solutions and reporting *them* too. You don't need to be a package maintainer to use the BTS. |
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| 23:39.28 | rbochan | rixth: or can you resolve gmail.com ? |
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| 23:39.48 | WillySilly | hmm |
| 23:39.54 | mike-m | ok, I will look for |
| 23:40.19 | Babbage | PerfDave> hi. Good holiday? |
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| 23:40.37 | mike-m | mmh, does a mailing-list exists ? :p |
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| 23:40.52 | PerfDave | mike-m: Many mailing lists exist. What sort of mailing list did you have in mind? |
| 23:41.02 | PerfDave | Babbage: Great thanks, modulo sunburn. Catching up on everything via akgregator now :) |
| 23:41.18 | WaREX | how to do dumbcon=n with grub instead of lilo? |
| 23:41.18 | Babbage | rixth> What happens if you type "dig gmail.com MX" ? |
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| 23:41.22 | mike-m | the type of mailing list where it talks about debian sid (and packages) |
| 23:41.45 | mike-m | I am there, I look forward to find one http://www.us.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 23:41.49 | Babbage | PerfDave: I'm in the mood for writing documentation |
| 23:41.55 | PerfDave | mike-m: I'm not sure of a sid-specific mailing list, except possibly debian-devel |
| 23:42.01 | PerfDave | mike-m: Check out http://lists.debian.org/ :) |
| 23:42.06 | rixth | Babbage, I'll find out |
| 23:42.07 | mike-m | thank you :) |
| 23:42.31 | rixth | Babbage, nothing happens, it just hangs at the command line |
| 23:42.38 | rixth | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 23:43.02 | rbochan | rixth: then you're having dns problems |
| 23:43.07 | Babbage | rixth> bingo. The nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf on your machine are not reachable. |
| 23:43.19 | rixth | Ah, I know why. My address is still being assigned by DHCP, I need to set the name servers manually. |
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| 23:43.33 | Babbage | rixth> That also means it's a name resolution problem, not a postfix problem |
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| 23:43.47 | rixth | But everything else works fine |
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| 23:45.22 | fman | hm |
| 23:45.24 | fman | fun with m-a |
| 23:45.31 | fman | I've got 2.6.11-powerpc |
| 23:45.36 | fman | and the headers in /usr/src/ |
| 23:45.48 | WillySilly | axfr-get: fatal: unable to write to network: file descriptor not open |
| 23:45.49 | fman | yet it bitches I've got the wrong kernel version |
| 23:46.01 | PerfDave | fman: What do you mean, "2.6.11-powerpc"? |
| 23:46.28 | fman | well, for debian ppc when you install 2.6.11 kernel |
| 23:46.38 | fman | thats what its called, certainly what uname -a returns |
| 23:46.48 | masoft | I get this error during install postfix : update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/postfix: file does not exist !!! what can I do ? (this file is not exist) |
| 23:47.02 | PerfDave | fman: That's the name of the package? |
| 23:47.07 | fman | yep |
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| 23:48.00 | Esaj | what's /etc/shadow.org for? |
| 23:48.06 | Esaj | is it safe to delete? |
| 23:48.09 | PerfDave | fman: Sure it's not "kernel-image-2.6.11-powerpc"? |
| 23:48.16 | PerfDave | Esaj: dpkg -S /etc/shadow.org |
| 23:48.16 | fman | yep it is that |
| 23:48.18 | fman | sorry |
| 23:48.40 | Esaj | PerfDave: it's not found, so probably safe? |
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| 23:49.07 | PerfDave | Esaj: No, just means that it was put there by something you've installed that isn't a Debian package. |
| 23:49.19 | rbochan | masoft: did you remove it? |
| 23:49.30 | PerfDave | fman: And you have the kernel-headers-2.6.11-powerpc package installed? |
| 23:49.44 | masoft | rbochan, it's on a server ! I didn't but may another one did ... |
| 23:49.54 | fman | yep |
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| 23:50.15 | PerfDave | fman: And what are you trying to do with module-assistant? |
| 23:50.19 | masoft | rbochan, also postfix not installed !!! it must be available ?!? |
| 23:50.25 | rbochan | masoft: the postfix package installs that script |
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| 23:50.32 | fman | build/install zaptel drivers |
| 23:50.34 | PerfDave | Babbage: BTW, #manlug on oftc? |
| 23:50.38 | fman | module |
| 23:50.46 | SquareRt | how do you create a forest of hard links? |
| 23:50.48 | masoft | rbochan, so why it will not in my computer ? |
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| 23:51.12 | PerfDave | fman: From the zaptel-source package? |
| 23:51.22 | rbochan | masoft: you either a) removed that file, or b) don't have postfix installed or c) postfix installed properly |
| 23:51.27 | fman | yes |
| 23:51.31 | Babbage | PerfDave> oftc? |
| 23:51.35 | GoatRoby | Where do I specify commands that I want executed at boot? |
| 23:51.47 | Babbage | GoatRoby> ad an rc-script |
| 23:51.47 | rbochan | GoatRoby: cat /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:52.01 | masoft | rbochan, b is right and want to install it now ! |
| 23:52.13 | PerfDave | Babbage: irc.oftc.net |
| 23:52.20 | rbochan | masoft: clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 23:52.35 | GoatRoby | rbochan: Babbage: Is it a good idea to write a init script for a simple command that sets a kernel value in /proc ? |
| 23:52.39 | Babbage | PerfDave> I didn't know. Still, today could be the last ManLUG I every go to |
| 23:52.46 | PerfDave | fman: What command are you trying to use? |
| 23:52.55 | PerfDave | Babbage: You'll be back ;p |
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| 23:53.19 | fman | m-a |
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| 23:53.30 | fman | select zaptel and build |
| 23:53.35 | fman | it pulls the source down |
| 23:53.36 | rbochan | GoatRoby: I've not done it, so I can't say |
| 23:53.37 | Babbage | OK, I'm off to bed. |
| 23:53.39 | fman | getting this message now |
| 23:53.47 | mihaly | I am looking for a media player that can play realcrapymedia files |
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| 23:54.03 | fman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.07 | PerfDave | Nini Babbage |
| 23:54.27 | PerfDave | fman: What do you get when you type "m-a a-i zaptel-source"? |
| 23:55.00 | fman | Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could |
| 23:55.44 | fman | if I specify the kernel-headers it fails with Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could |
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| 23:56.11 | PerfDave | fman: That's not a very complete error message :/ |
| 23:56.27 | PerfDave | fman: You have rebooted into your 2.6.11 kernel after installing it, right? |
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| 23:56.32 | fman | yes |
| 23:56.32 | fman | :) |
| 23:57.13 | nono31 | debfoster got crazy... he just want to remove all my stuff... first begins to say that g++3.4 is not needed anymore, then goes on until says that xprt-xprintorg is not needed either... weird stuff happened after my tody's update... |
| 23:57.38 | PerfDave | fman: Looks like a bug somewhere, either in the zaptel-source package or kernel-headers-2.6.11-powerpc - have you tried checking the BTS, or asking #debianppc? |
| 23:57.44 | mihaly | how do you mount an ftp dir in the file system= |
| 23:57.55 | fman | ok, will jump over to debianppc quickly |
| 23:57.56 | fman | thanks |
| 23:58.11 | rbochan | mihaly: I did that a loooooong time ago with autofs |
| 23:58.30 | PerfDave | mihaly: Probably using lufs-utils and lufs-source |
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| 23:59.42 | rbochan | mihaly: iirc, there was even an example in the autofs config files |
