| 00:00.21 | saskuach | ma3x, try reinstalling menu (package) ? not sure |
| 00:00.51 | stew | ma3x: have you tried update-menus? |
| 00:01.04 | wishie | how do i redirect all output (stdout and stderr) of a program to a file ? |
| 00:01.07 | ma3x | stew, no, hold on |
| 00:01.28 | chealer | nvz: I downloaded 2.6.12's source and there's really few choice |
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| 00:02.10 | nvz | they even have WAPs you can hook to the gateway, but they didnt support WPA and were USB..looked dodgy to me.. it was only like $14 or something for a netgear MA104 or something whatever it was called |
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| 00:02.20 | nvz | chealer: yeah I looked at it before I left |
| 00:02.32 | chealer | nvz: I was asking about the format as in PCMCIA, but what you want is a PCI card? |
| 00:02.38 | saskuach | stew, you beat me to it, I was reading /etc/menu/README |
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| 00:03.07 | deckrider | hi, what can I use to take a screen shot with a tooltip showing? several tools seem to capture the screen, but not the tooltip? this is a gnome/gtk tooltip I want to show |
| 00:03.15 | deckrider | I have debian/sarge |
| 00:03.26 | nvz | chealer: would have to be pci, pcmcia or usb I guess.. I figure usb would suck, and for pcmcia I would need a pci pcmcia bridge card.. which may be a good idea.. cause it seems the best supported and cheapest cards are pcmcia |
| 00:03.39 | PerfDave | deckrider: Is the tooltip showing when the screenshot is taken? Are you using a timer or something? |
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| 00:04.20 | nvz | chealer: though since this is going to be a gateway, I need a good card that will project a good signal.. so I dont know I think I need to learn more first |
| 00:04.25 | deckrider | PerfDave: I tried gimp with the timer, but as soon as the timer expired, the tooltip went away and so the capture didn't have it |
| 00:04.43 | ma3x | stew: when i startx it automatically comes nautilius |
| 00:04.44 | jd|laptop | nvz, get a senao 200mW card, they have both pcmcia and mini-pci |
| 00:04.56 | jd|laptop | nvz, they're about $50-60US on ebay |
| 00:04.59 | amphi | ma3x: the horror... |
| 00:05.01 | ma3x | how can i make it start automatically the welcome screen where i can choose window manager |
| 00:05.07 | ma3x | you know that welcome screen? |
| 00:05.10 | chealer | nvz: oh...I'm already left with few options and I didn't take quality into account yet :/ |
| 00:05.11 | saskuach | deckrider: have you tried running "sleep 2 && import ss.png" ? |
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| 00:05.20 | ma3x | amphi :) |
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| 00:05.34 | deckrider | saskuach: I'll try it now :) |
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| 00:06.23 | saskuach | n/m didn't work for me |
| 00:06.24 | wishie | is there a time limit on cron jobs ? ie, if a program takes more than 1 minute, does it still run ? |
| 00:06.37 | amphi | ma3x: FWIW, I find it pleasant to start my wm of choice from $HOME/.xsessin |
| 00:06.37 | wishie | or do i need to put "&"'s on the end of commands ? |
| 00:06.50 | bob2 | wishie: it will run until it finishes |
| 00:06.57 | deckrider | saskuach: doesn't work, as soon as sleep is over the tooltip goes away |
| 00:07.18 | deckrider | saskuach: oops....didn't see your earlier text |
| 00:07.18 | wishie | bob2: well i have a problem of a script not working when run from crontab, but works when i run it manually. |
| 00:07.22 | ma3x | amphi : i don't have .xsession |
| 00:07.38 | ma3x | anyway i should create that file and put "icewm" in it, right? |
| 00:07.45 | bob2 | wishie: it depends on the environment or waits for user input? |
| 00:07.52 | amphi | ma3x: you could fashion one... |
| 00:07.54 | wishie | no input required. |
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| 00:08.05 | wishie | bob2: http://stuff.wishie.net/update_guide.txt if you are interested. |
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| 00:09.26 | bob2 | wishie: does it email you anything? |
| 00:09.29 | bob2 | wishie: show us the crontab line |
| 00:09.52 | saskuach | deckrider: have you tried messing around with Xnest? |
| 00:09.55 | zOap | !d-no |
| 00:09.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-no is Den norske debian kanalen #debian-no, for skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel for scandinavian users. #debian-no |
| 00:10.07 | deckrider | saskuach: no, don't know anything about ti |
| 00:10.18 | wishie | bob2: 0 9 * * * /usr/local/bin/update_guide >/tmp/update_guide.log & |
| 00:10.20 | ma3x | why in nautilius i have tousand menus, and on in icewm just a few |
| 00:10.25 | ma3x | i've tried update-menus |
| 00:10.27 | ma3x | nothings helps |
| 00:10.34 | saskuach | n/m |
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| 00:10.52 | saskuach | deckrider: i got it! |
| 00:11.04 | bob2 | wishie: get rid of the redirection |
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| 00:11.22 | saskuach | deckrider: run your program in a terminal, get your tooltip, alt-tab to the term and freeze your program with ctrl-z |
| 00:11.46 | wishie | bob2: ok, done. you think that is causing the problem ? |
| 00:11.49 | deckrider | saskuach: interesting, will try that |
| 00:12.03 | saskuach | worked for me |
| 00:12.07 | bob2 | wishie: I don't know |
| 00:12.22 | rbochan | whomever suggested the -l switch for scp and my shitty pcmcia nic the other day... thanks again! |
| 00:12.46 | ma3x | is there handbook for debian? |
| 00:12.49 | wishie | hmm, ill change the crontab to run soon, and see how it goes. |
| 00:13.09 | zite | is cdimages.debian.org dead? |
| 00:13.34 | roral | that would be cdimage.debian.org you seek |
| 00:13.36 | rbochan | ma3x: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
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| 00:13.51 | zite | that's what I ment |
| 00:14.04 | simonrvn | 'meant' |
| 00:14.14 | zite | indeed |
| 00:14.28 | roral | the 's' is important. and it works for me. |
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| 00:14.38 | BlackJudas | For dual boot w/xp, which should be installed first? |
| 00:14.38 | saskuach | ma3x: also check out /usr/share/doc/menu/html |
| 00:15.06 | saskuach | I alsways do widnoze first |
| 00:15.08 | SDFH_Linux | xp first |
| 00:15.09 | zite | hrmph, is there somewhere else I can get sarge? the links from the sarge page to cdimage.debian.org aren't working for me |
| 00:15.18 | BlackJudas | SDFH_Linux, thanks |
| 00:15.19 | SDFH_Linux | m$ has an issue with not being first |
| 00:15.27 | BlackJudas | Heh, don't they always? |
| 00:15.28 | saskuach | ...or did... it's long gone now :) |
| 00:15.37 | roral | zite: try http://www.debian.org/CD/ ? |
| 00:15.38 | SDFH_Linux | yes they do |
| 00:16.05 | deckrider | saskuach: it worked, thanks! by the way, how do I recover from ctrl-z ? |
| 00:16.29 | saskuach | deckrider, just type fg in the same console and it resumes |
| 00:16.39 | saskuach | you can multitask that way ;) |
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| 00:16.57 | zite | I went there and eventually got to http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 00:16.58 | saskuach | do man job |
| 00:16.58 | saskuach | or man fg |
| 00:17.01 | zite | so I could download sarge |
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| 00:17.03 | deckrider | saskuach: great, thanks again |
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| 00:17.11 | green_earz | zite: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 00:17.20 | wishie | bob2: it seems it start to run 'update_guide' and exists almost instantly. |
| 00:17.27 | saskuach | no prob |
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| 00:17.29 | roral | use the bittorrent files? |
| 00:17.29 | zite | isn't that woody green? |
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| 00:17.36 | wishie | how do i check mail that cron sends ? |
| 00:17.39 | bob2 | wishie: what did cron email you? |
| 00:17.43 | zite | stable* |
| 00:18.14 | ma3x | where do i read on how to enable my sound? |
| 00:18.16 | ma3x | detah |
| 00:18.24 | zite | where's the bittorrent link? |
| 00:18.36 | green_earz | zite: stable is sarge. and if you have broadband go for a net install cd image, 110 meg in size |
| 00:18.49 | wishie | bob2: how do i check it ? |
| 00:18.51 | migma | !d-i |
| 00:18.51 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 00:18.58 | zite | I thought stable was woody o.0 |
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| 00:19.15 | zite | alright, thanks |
| 00:19.33 | green_earz | zite: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 00:19.35 | bob2 | wishie: 'mutt' or 'mail' |
| 00:19.59 | wishie | hmm, i dont have either..ill install one. |
| 00:19.59 | ma3x | where is info on setting up sound? |
| 00:20.10 | saskuach | so sarge is stable now? |
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| 00:20.34 | amphi | ma3x: alsaconf |
| 00:20.44 | wishie | hm, mutt wants to install exim |
| 00:20.46 | amphi | saskuach: frightfully |
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| 00:21.03 | zite | the link on /cd/netinst isn't working for me - cdimage.debian.org/* isn't resolving or something |
| 00:21.03 | sam_ | NP: B07 No words - cent masques sans illusions |
| 00:21.16 | ma3x | amphi : whats that? |
| 00:21.19 | ma3x | a command? |
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| 00:21.28 | amphi | ma3x: indeed |
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| 00:21.43 | saskuach | amphi: do i have to do apt-get dist-upgrade again to get back into testing? |
| 00:21.52 | zite | can't even ping the ip (130.239.18.151) |
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| 00:22.16 | ma3x | amphi : it doesn't work |
| 00:22.23 | litage | why does '/msg dkpkg non-US' do nothing? |
| 00:22.42 | roral | litage: try 'dpkg' ;) |
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| 00:22.46 | pureone | dpkg no dkpkg |
| 00:22.49 | wishie | bob2: ok, mutt installed, trying from cron again |
| 00:22.49 | litage | haha |
| 00:22.50 | pureone | not* |
| 00:23.01 | Loevborg | anyone know why my bozo kyocera printer only prints out a single page before starting to flash like a clavilux? |
| 00:23.10 | roral | zite: Odd. It must be on your end. I can get to it ok. |
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| 00:23.17 | amphi | saskuach: if you dod s/sarge/testing in yr sources.list, yeah |
| 00:23.19 | zite | :'< |
| 00:23.26 | amphi | er, did |
| 00:24.00 | zite | any idea on what I should do then? |
| 00:24.12 | zite | isn't it hosted somewhere else? |
| 00:24.18 | pureone | zite does this work ? http://www.nl.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:24.20 | kyu | amphi, a better correction would have been "your" .... |
| 00:24.21 | kyu | :/ |
| 00:24.36 | saskuach | amphi: thanks |
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| 00:24.52 | cougar` | Hello everyone |
| 00:24.52 | zite | that link works pureone |
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| 00:25.40 | wishie | hmm, it seems my mail is stuffed up..local system maili mean..how can i fix this ? |
| 00:26.00 | wishie | and how can i find out what account i set system mail to go to, since ive forgotten |
| 00:26.01 | kyu | What mail software are you using? |
| 00:26.25 | cougar` | What would be the best way to do this. I have 3 machines on my network with a Debian system actins as a router/firewall/nat/dhcp server. I want to refer to the machines as names, instead of IPs. I recently lost my old server and I'm setting up a new server. I was using bind9 before. Do I need to use bind9 to accomplish this task? |
| 00:26.27 | pureone | wishie /etc/aliases and check /var/log/<mailserver> |
| 00:26.36 | wishie | kyu: well, i installed mutt, so i could see what cron was emailing me |
| 00:26.47 | kyu | i mean, exim? |
| 00:26.47 | PerfDave | cougar`: No, use dnsmasq, it's much simpler and smaller. |
| 00:27.14 | wishie | yeah, well mutt installed exim |
| 00:27.22 | amphi | dnsmasq is ecellent |
| 00:27.23 | cougar` | Will I still be able to point my local machines to the debian system for DNS requests? |
| 00:27.25 | kyu | ok so dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config ? |
| 00:27.42 | cougar` | Like my link sys router/firewall, all machines are pointed to 192.168.1.1 for DNS requests |
| 00:28.15 | wishie | kyu: didnt ask me where i want to send mail (ie, to which user) |
| 00:28.37 | PerfDave | cougar`: Yes, set your local machines up to use your Debian box as a nameserver, the Debian box running dnsmasq will resolve local names, and pass on other queries to your upstream nameservers. |
| 00:28.45 | kyu | Eh? You mean you want mail for root/whoever to goto your normal useraccount? |
| 00:28.52 | wishie | and when i load mutt, it tells me what /var/mail/wishie doesnt exist..so how can i make that a mailbox ? |
| 00:28.56 | cougar` | PerfDave : Sounds perfect |
| 00:29.00 | cougar` | bind9 too complicated :( |
| 00:29.01 | roral | zite: any luck? afaik you can't avoid going through cdimage.* eventually. |
| 00:29.12 | kyu | wishie, not tried mailing yourself? |
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| 00:29.17 | cougar` | So it'll use the DNS servers in reoslv.conf |
| 00:29.24 | wishie | kyu: well, i guess that will do. all i want to do is see if cron is emailing me why its failing to run a task |
| 00:29.24 | bob2 | wishie: it will be created when mail is sent to you |
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| 00:30.05 | wishie | when i run 'mutt' as root, it says that /var/mail/wishie doesnt exist |
| 00:30.13 | kyu | wishie, if there's no /var/mail/wishie, then you got no mail :) |
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| 00:30.54 | roral | zite: bingo, http://ftp2.it.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 00:31.10 | zite | thanks roral |
| 00:31.10 | bob2 | wishie: so, don't run it as root |
| 00:31.13 | Azar | SCO in 2002: "there's no infringing code" |
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| 00:31.33 | litage | how does one list all users in a particular group? |
| 00:31.52 | wishie | bob2: well, which user will cron email ? thats my point. |
| 00:32.08 | kyu | litage: cat /etc/group ? |
| 00:32.09 | kyu | ;) |
| 00:32.46 | ma3x | where are the shortcuts from nautilius located? |
| 00:32.53 | ma3x | i want to copy them to ice |
| 00:33.21 | litage | what's the difference between /etc/group and /etc/group- ? |
| 00:33.36 | seldon | I think /etc/group- is a backup |
| 00:33.44 | kyu | see the "FILES" section of 'man groupmod' |
| 00:33.50 | litage | thanks |
| 00:33.53 | Loevborg | litage, some editor probably created the latter |
| 00:34.38 | ma3x | kyu: was that for me? |
| 00:34.41 | litage | wowzers, debian creates a slew of groups..gnats, camera, scanner, irc, utmp, ... |
| 00:34.46 | kyu | No |
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| 00:34.54 | wishie | ok, well, im confused now. if i run mutt as root, it opens /var/mail/wishie and if i run it as wishie, it opens /var/mail/wishie |
| 00:34.58 | kyu | ma3: I would advise asking this question in #gnome :) |
| 00:35.07 | kyu | wishie: how are you as root? |
| 00:35.10 | kyu | su? |
| 00:35.16 | wishie | doesnt root have a mail box in /var/mail/ ? isnt that where cron (for example) would send mail ? |
| 00:35.21 | wishie | yeah, su |
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| 00:35.29 | wishie | perhaps an su - ? |
| 00:35.35 | cougar` | PerfDave : I removed bind9, installed dnsmasq. It said it installed Small DNS caching and DHCP server... I already had installed dhcp3-server ... I have 2 DHCP servers running? |
| 00:35.47 | kyu | Perhaps, i can't remember if su changed real-uid or euid |
| 00:35.53 | wishie | ahh, that seems to be trying to open /var/mail/root now |
| 00:35.55 | PerfDave | cougar`: dnsmasq provides a DHCP server, but only if you enable it in the dnsmasq config file. |
| 00:36.02 | kyu | Looks like it changes euid :) |
| 00:36.07 | wishie | heh |
| 00:36.13 | cougar` | Where is the DNSmasq configuration? I can't find it |
| 00:36.22 | wishie | well, id be right in assuming thats where things like cron send mail ? |
| 00:36.26 | PerfDave | cougar`: /etc/dnsmasq.conf, as you may expect |
| 00:36.46 | kyu | cron sends mail to the user on the system using the mail-server software you have installed |
| 00:36.49 | kyu | as far as i know |
| 00:36.55 | kyu | i.e port 25 |
| 00:37.02 | wishie | kyu: ie, exim ? |
| 00:37.02 | cougar` | dammit, stupid monitor not big enough to see all the entire contents of /etc |
| 00:37.05 | ma3x | anybody knows where the desktop shortcuts are located? |
| 00:37.06 | kyu | yep |
| 00:37.15 | kyu | ma3x: again, #gnome :/ |
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| 00:37.26 | wishie | ok, well, ill see if it does now. |
| 00:37.36 | kyu | try typing "mail wishie" |
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| 00:37.52 | kyu | then type bleh in, end it with ^D on a new line and them open mutt as wishie |
| 00:38.01 | litage | are there any reasons why a debian 3.1r0a production server should not upgrade to kernel 2.6? |
| 00:38.14 | wishie | hmm, cron didnt run that command again, and it didnt email me |
| 00:38.16 | wishie | fsck |
| 00:38.23 | kyu | Try sending a regular mail. |
| 00:38.29 | bob2 | litage: not if you don't need something only 2.4 provides |
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| 00:38.37 | bob2 | litage: 2.6 is an install option for sarge |
| 00:38.58 | cougar` | PerfDave : I'm gonna need walk thru help I think to configure dnsmasq ... Time for google search |
| 00:39.01 | cougar` | Thanks |
| 00:39.02 | kyu | echo "bleh" | mail wishie -s MARKLAR && mutt |
| 00:39.05 | briankeys | What would be the easiest way to assign Eth1 a static IP? I've modified /etc/network/interfaces but it isn't parsed, it seems... |
| 00:39.15 | bob2 | briankeys: then paste that file to #flood |
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| 00:39.44 | PerfDave | bob2: In what way is it "not parsed"? |
| 00:39.48 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 00:39.48 | PerfDave | Shoot me |
| 00:39.56 | PerfDave | cougar`: The config file should be pretty easy to follow, just ignore the DHCP stuff because it's disabled by default. |
| 00:40.00 | briankeys | bob2: if i run "ifup eth1" then Eth1 pulls up properly |
| 00:40.00 | pablum | !bang |
| 00:40.01 | dpkg | somebody said bang was '!'. |
| 00:40.11 | cougar` | yeah but there are options I don't quite understand |
| 00:40.16 | cougar` | filterwin2k |
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| 00:40.33 | action09 | hi all how to have libdvdcss on Sarge please ? |
| 00:40.35 | wishie | hmm, i sent email to 'root' and i didnt recieve it |
| 00:40.37 | bob2 | briankeys: add a line that says "auto eth0" to that file (at the bottom maybe) |
| 00:40.39 | cougar` | strict-order |
| 00:40.41 | bob2 | action09: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 00:40.53 | action09 | ok bob2 thx |
| 00:40.55 | Azar | Intel to cut Linux out of the content market |
| 00:41.01 | briankeys | bob2... ah :) I just noticed that I was missing that. Thank you :) |
| 00:41.16 | wishie | yet if i send mail from root to wishie, wishie recieves it |
| 00:41.16 | kyu | wishie, so now you need to look at your exim config |
| 00:41.25 | kyu | oh |
| 00:41.29 | kyu | did you set wishie as the postmaster? |
| 00:41.38 | wishie | i dont know! |
| 00:41.42 | kyu | hehe |
| 00:41.51 | kyu | cat /etc/aliases |
| 00:42.03 | kyu | if it says like postmaster: wishie |
| 00:42.07 | wishie | postmaster is root |
| 00:42.09 | kyu | you're ok :) |
| 00:42.27 | kyu | ok, is there a line saying root: wishie at the bottom? |
| 00:42.29 | kyu | ;) |
| 00:42.38 | wishie | nope, root: root |
| 00:42.53 | kyu | wierd. hmmm |
| 00:43.13 | kyu | try running through the exim4 config again |
| 00:43.23 | kyu | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:43.23 | wishie | it didnt ask me for a postmaster |
| 00:44.09 | cougar` | I need a DNSMASQ walk thru |
| 00:44.21 | wishie | kyu: it asks me nothing about postmaster |
| 00:44.24 | kyu | sweet, i just hit a moth in midair with a pen and it died |
| 00:44.36 | kyu | wishie, ok try adding -plow into the dpkg-reconfigure command |
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| 00:44.55 | wishie | ive tried that already |
| 00:45.05 | wishie | same questions exactly. |
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| 00:45.24 | wishie | like, 5 questions. |
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| 00:45.33 | wishie | 6 actually. |
| 00:45.52 | cougar` | PerfDave : There so many options I don't know which ones I want and which ones I don't |
| 00:46.05 | cougar` | PerfDave : my home network not that compliocated |
| 00:46.10 | PerfDave | cougar`: Try looking in /usr/share/doc/dnsmasq/ |
| 00:46.19 | ma3x | where can i locate icon of a shortcut? |
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| 00:46.27 | saskuach | is there anything in /usr/lib right after an extremely basic install? (no X, nothing but linux) |
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| 00:46.33 | kyu | wishie, what option do you specify for the type of server? |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | saskuach: yes |
| 00:46.51 | wishie | local delivery: not on a network |
| 00:46.56 | wishie | is that the right choice ? |
| 00:47.09 | bob2 | saskuach: lots of important stuff |
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| 00:47.35 | saskuach | any chance you could tell me what packages those come from? |
| 00:47.36 | kyu | It will be fine, if i was you i'd just edit /etc/aliases and then /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
| 00:47.50 | mauris | perdon donde esta la lista debian en espaņol |
| 00:47.53 | abrotman | saskuach: did you delete /usr/lib ? |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:47.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:48.08 | wishie | kyu: edit postmaster: wishie |
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| 00:48.12 | saskuach | abrotman: close enough to count |
| 00:48.12 | wishie | or something like that ? |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | saskuach: you're going to have a serious problem |
| 00:48.26 | mauris | join #debian-es |
| 00:48.30 | kyu | I generally have postmaster always as root, then i alias root to kyu |
| 00:48.34 | mauris | join/debian-es |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | mauris: /j #debian-es |
| 00:48.38 | mauris | join |
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| 00:48.49 | mauris | gracias abrotman |
| 00:48.49 | kyu | So i only have to edit one line if i want to change stuff |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | de nada |
| 00:49.06 | saskuach | abrotman: can it be fixed without a total reinstall? like reinstall individual debs? |
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| 00:49.17 | abrotman | saskuach: you can try .. do dpkg and apt-get even work ? |
| 00:49.29 | wishie | kyu: ok, ill try both ways |
| 00:49.31 | saskuach | abrotman: oh yeah, everything runs fine |
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| 00:49.42 | saskuach | abrotman: just can't compile |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | saskuach: did you install build-essential ? |
| 00:50.10 | saskuach | abrotman: ooh, lemme try that |
| 00:50.19 | kyu | 923 messages for kyu :/ |
| 00:50.20 | tvn | anyone uses webalizer w/ apache2 ? in mine, the country usage report is unresolved |
| 00:50.29 | kyu | I go out for two days on the piss, and i come home to this :/ |
| 00:50.36 | kyu | 923, i mean... oh my |
| 00:50.53 | bob2 | saskuach: for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | awk "/installed$/ {print $1}") ; do sudo apt-get --reinstall install $i ; done |
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| 00:50.55 | wishie | hmm |
| 00:50.56 | abrotman | tvn: you have to read the webalizer docs .. you have to set that up iirc |
| 00:50.57 | bob2 | should work |
| 00:50.58 | wishie | i wish mine worked. |
| 00:51.03 | Azar | o/t question: doesn't that DRM thing hurt linux? we will be able to install linux in the future on DRM-driven machines? |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | unknown at this point |
| 00:51.25 | azreal | kyu: what is the piss? or did you get lost on the way to bathroom? |
| 00:51.37 | saskuach | bob2: what does that do? |
| 00:51.39 | kyu | azreal: sorry i'm a brit, went out drinking |
| 00:51.40 | carrot | what's DRM? |
| 00:51.41 | kyu | ;) |
| 00:51.44 | bob2 | saskuach: reinstall every package on the system |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | saskuach: it would reinstall all currently installed packages |
| 00:51.58 | wishie | Digital (Restrictions) Management :P |
| 00:51.58 | Azar | abrotman, I am an AMD fan, so far I have no fear, but someone said that AMD will follow Intel and will implement DRM as well |
| 00:52.01 | azreal | kyu: oh, right. ;) |
| 00:52.04 | saskuach | bob2: reinstall everything? |
| 00:52.05 | abrotman | Azar: maybe ... |
| 00:52.21 | carrot | TC,DRM,CMS,SMS,CRM.. |
| 00:52.25 | saskuach | bob2: lemme copy that, I may need it yet... |
| 00:52.37 | bob2 | saskuach: you will need to reinstall everything |
| 00:52.46 | wishie | ARGH! |
| 00:53.10 | kyu | wishie, are you getting roots mail now? |
| 00:53.29 | wishie | kyu: no |
| 00:53.37 | saskuach | bob2: that will hurt on dialup... :( |
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| 00:53.46 | carrot | ? |
| 00:53.50 | bob2 | saskuach: yes |
| 00:54.02 | kyu | saskuach: i did from old woody to current sid on dialup |
| 00:54.09 | kyu | phj33r t3h patience ;) |
| 00:54.20 | saskuach | kyu: lol, thanks |
| 00:54.48 | kyu | !lol |
| 00:54.49 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg, or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 00:55.06 | kyu | ohno, new pic? |
| 00:55.14 | carrot | how to kill a diapup connection with dirty ways? |
| 00:55.29 | Azar | damn so Linux will become impossible to run in the future |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 00:55.42 | covux | hi. iam looking for a good mailserver solution with integrated webfrontend for administration and mail management. thanks for any hints |
| 00:56.00 | carrot | zope? |
| 00:56.03 | bob2 | Azar: no one knows how fucked up the hardware will get |
| 00:56.03 | kyu | carrot: ? |
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| 00:56.09 | bob2 | covux: powermail (google) |
| 00:56.12 | carrot | a evil solution |
| 00:56.29 | carrot | s/a/an/g |
| 00:56.30 | Azar | bob2, the way this guy puts it.. "But you can always play it on another player, Linux will have something that can read it, right? Not legally in the US anyway, there are laws against circumventing protection mechanisms, and DRM is just that. " looks bad |
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| 00:56.45 | Grievre | Okay gaim and vlc disappeared o.o |
| 00:56.54 | carrot | yea |
| 00:57.03 | covux | bob2: thanks |
| 00:57.06 | carrot | congratulations! |
| 00:57.07 | weilawei | Azar, these days.. most of the good ideas are illegal. Hell, pretty soon, thinking's gonna be illegal. |
| 00:57.09 | bob2 | Azar: right, the law that enforces that (the DMCA) is fucked |
| 00:57.13 | kyu | Grievre, what luck :D |
| 00:57.22 | kyu | At least you won't have little snotty aolers talking to you now |
| 00:57.26 | bob2 | Azar: but not ecerywhere is the US, tho other countries did follow with similarily dumb laws |
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| 00:57.30 | carrot | because.. whpython? |
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| 00:57.34 | Grievre | kyu: ahahaha very funny sht up |
| 00:57.37 | Grievre | shut |
| 00:57.38 | carrot | wxpython? |
| 00:57.39 | weilawei | Australia notably.. and Canada isn't far behind |
| 00:57.40 | Grievre | anyway |
| 00:57.45 | Grievre | why is sid so frickin broken? |
| 00:57.52 | Guerin | Grievre: because it's sid |
| 00:57.54 | weilawei | Grievre, major changes |
| 00:57.56 | Azar | bob2, that looks horrible, they managed to avoid Patents in Europe and nobody in the US gives a shit about DRM? |
| 00:57.56 | kyu | You're the one who just randomly "lost" software on your own system ;) |
| 00:58.04 | bob2 | Azar: apparently |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | isn't there a #retardeduslaws ? |
| 00:58.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:58.21 | Guerin | Grievre: don't blame sid. It doesn't install or uninstall anything without your sayso |
| 00:58.21 | kyu | Grievre, what's the problem with sid? |
| 00:58.24 | carrot | kyu, ? |
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| 00:58.30 | bob2 | Azar: there was an interesting article on slashdot about some (apparently) high-profile pro-drm guy who found he couldn't legally use his ebooks on his computer |
| 00:58.47 | bob2 | Azar: so he circumvented it, but decided that was ok, and it was just a "bad implementation" of DRM |
| 00:58.49 | litage | so is it advisable to upgrade to kernel 2.6 for a commercial production server? |
| 00:58.51 | Azar | bob2, omg that guy will see jail |
| 00:58.53 | kyu | Oh, the ? was aimed at: 01:55 < carrot> how to kill a diapup connection with dirty ways? |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | litage: many people use it |
| 00:59.01 | bob2 | whereas the entire point of DRM is to be a pain in the arse |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | litage: but it's up to you to decide |
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| 00:59.17 | Azar | I only see one way: boycott Intel and MS |
| 00:59.19 | carrot | kyu, ah |
| 00:59.32 | exobyte | I sshed into a fresh debian install, but I when I run firefox, it can't open the display. here's the thing- I did enable x forwarding in my ssh config |
| 00:59.37 | kyu | boycott america |
| 00:59.41 | Guerin | bob2: he's starting to see the light, though. |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | !tell exobyte about sshx |
| 01:00.00 | abrotman | exobyte: just to double check |
| 01:00.19 | Guerin | bob2: that 'bad' implementations should be circumvented. he just hasn't figured out that ALL implementations are bad... |
| 01:00.24 | Azar | I only see one solution for myself: stash non-DRM kits while I can |
| 01:00.24 | exobyte | abrotman: oops, xauth |
| 01:00.28 | bob2 | heh, yeah |
| 01:00.28 | Grievre | Why did they put in |
| 01:00.31 | Grievre | a bunch of new packages |
| 01:00.32 | abrotman | exobyte: helps you ? |
| 01:00.36 | Grievre | that depend on versions of other packages |
| 01:00.39 | SchemerNate | I managed to brake apt-get by killing an install while it was configuring... so how do I fix it... debconf complains about some locks but I cant seem to find them |
| 01:00.39 | Grievre | that don't exist yet? |
| 01:00.43 | abrotman | Grievre: it's SID .. UNSTABLE .. shit breaks .. stop whining |
| 01:00.46 | weilawei | Azar, thats why you never throw hardware away. and soon, you end up keeping old decmates around |
| 01:00.58 | Grievre | god damn |
| 01:01.02 | quittt | is anybody here using a computer? |
| 01:01.04 | kyu | I've not had many problems with sid |
| 01:01.05 | Grievre | why do I have to choose between 2 year old software that mostly works |
| 01:01.06 | Azar | true, true |
| 01:01.11 | kyu | Not that were very difficult to fix anyway |
| 01:01.14 | Grievre | and 6 month old software that's incredibly broken |
| 01:01.14 | weilawei | Grievre, don't bitch. Learn to fix it without asking or don't run sid |
| 01:01.15 | abrotman | Grievre: use TESTING .. stop crying |
| 01:01.19 | Guerin | Grievre: you don't. |
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| 01:01.31 | roral | quittt: Nah. I connect to the internet via telepathy |
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| 01:01.38 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 01:01.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:01.41 | SchemerNate | (I killed it because I ran it from eshell and it started spweing control codes.) |
| 01:01.44 | Grievre | abrotman: YES I'LL JUST DOWNGRADE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW I'M SURE IT'LL GO OFF WITHOUT A HITCH :D |
| 01:01.55 | kyu | dot dot dot |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | Grievre: STOP BITCHING .. YOU CHOSE SID! |
| 01:02.10 | Guerin | Grievre: sorry, you have to be this |<---------------->| smart to ride sid |
| 01:02.12 | abrotman | if you didn't understand the consequences .. that's your fault |
| 01:02.15 | Azar | Grievre: reinstall is your only hope |
| 01:02.26 | Grievre | alright then I'll reinstall |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | or wait two days |
| 01:02.29 | weilawei | Grievre, and practically it is possible. However reinstall is much faster and less bitchy |
| 01:02.29 | Guerin | Grievre: you're clearly only about this |<--->| smart, so I suggest you run sarge |
| 01:02.30 | abrotman | FFS ... |
| 01:02.30 | tgkjer | smile and waves boys smile and waves |
| 01:02.32 | Grievre | ...something other than debian |
| 01:02.35 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:02.38 | stew | and if you are at least twice as smart as that you would be smart enough not to run sid |
| 01:02.44 | Grievre | okay |
| 01:02.46 | kyu | Grievre: does that mean we don't have to see you anymore? |
| 01:02.48 | Grievre | this is why I chose sid: |
| 01:02.48 | kyu | ;) |
| 01:02.48 | carrot | reinstall = patent of windows |
| 01:02.55 | weilawei | Grievre, so you could fuck up? |
| 01:02.59 | Grievre | When I switched to sid, sarge was so incredibsojdhflsdf |
| 01:03.01 | Grievre | god damnit |
| 01:03.07 | Azar | aww we are losing Grievre |
| 01:03.13 | weilawei | Byebye |
| 01:03.18 | weilawei | Have a nice trip |
| 01:03.23 | Grievre | ... |
| 01:03.29 | carrot | . |
| 01:03.38 | Guerin | door ... arse ... way out |
| 01:03.40 | Grievre | Like I was saying, I originally chose dsfjh |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | Grievre: your best option is to wait a few days .. sid is extremely messed up right now |
| 01:03.45 | Grievre | CAN I TALK |
| 01:03.51 | carrot | no |
| 01:03.53 | Guerin | i dunno, can you? |
| 01:03.55 | weilawei | Grievre, with a good point. Type it all out and say it. |
| 01:04.06 | dawg | grievre, why do you seem to think other people typing interrupts your typing? |
| 01:04.08 | kyu | abrotman, really? I just did an upgrade this morning and it seems to be ok |
| 01:04.10 | pablum | too much time wasted. but was it more than reading the unzip manpage would've taken? |
| 01:04.16 | cougar` | PerfDave : I'm not understandin' this, can you help me out? |
| 01:04.23 | pablum | for dir in `find ./ -type d -print`; do cd $dir; for file in `ls`; do if [[ -f $file ]]; then lcfn=$(echo $file | tr A-Z a-z); echo mv $file $lcfn; fi; done; cd $tdir; done; |
| 01:04.27 | abrotman | kyu: 'works for me' doesn't mean it's not broken |
| 01:04.33 | Grievre | When I decided to switch to unstable, testing was at least 6 months out of date with every single package |
| 01:04.35 | pablum | took me several minutes... |
| 01:04.37 | carrot | cougar`, help yourself |
| 01:04.39 | Grievre | has that gotten better now? |
| 01:04.41 | Guerin | Grievre: bullshit. |
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| 01:04.52 | kyu | Well true, but i imagine i would notice if it was "extremely messed up" |
| 01:04.53 | abrotman | Grievre: SID breaks! |
| 01:04.54 | weilawei | Grievre, new software is usually buggy as all bloody hell. Get used to it or get lost. |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | !sid breakage |
| 01:04.57 | PerfDave | Grievre: Testing has *never* been six months out of date with every single package. |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | where is that |
| 01:05.00 | Grievre | ... |
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| 01:05.04 | Grievre | Oh wait now I remember |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | !breakage |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 01:05.13 | carrot | stoneage |
| 01:05.14 | Grievre | I updated to unstable because I thought maybe it'd have a newer version of X |
| 01:05.18 | cougar` | Carrot : I'm trying to set up dnsmasq : But I'm not understanding some stuff |
| 01:05.21 | Azar | I propose to the developers to insert BSOD screens with sid |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | Grievre: that was your mistake |
| 01:05.23 | Grievre | but at the time, even sid had a 2 year old XFree in it |
| 01:05.28 | weilawei | Grievre, give up there. That's fscked right now. |
| 01:05.32 | carrot | cougar`, so? |
| 01:05.33 | Guerin | Grievre: nope, wrong again. |
| 01:05.36 | weilawei | Grievre, it barely works for ANYONE. |
| 01:05.38 | saskuach | why din't you just compile it and use it in Sarge? |
| 01:05.43 | abrotman | Grievre: so .. you didn't ask . then you upgraded .. then it broke .. and now you cry? |
| 01:05.48 | Grievre | I did ask |
| 01:05.55 | abrotman | ask who? |
| 01:06.00 | dawg | grievre, 'thought'? you decided to upgrade randomly without knowing if it was newer? |
| 01:06.11 | Grievre | Oh god I give up |
| 01:06.14 | SchemerNate | Grievre No one stopping you from back porting packages or compiling shit. |
| 01:06.30 | deadcat | god's busy. ask jesus |
| 01:06.30 | Guerin | Grievre: you have just upgraded in the middle of two MAJOR changes ... xfree -> xorg and gcc 3.x -> 4.x |
| 01:06.34 | Azar | Grievre, by now you could have been at mid reinstall, but instead.... you get high |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | Grievre: did you read the channel topic ? |
| 01:06.38 | jharrison | hhmmmm |
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| 01:07.00 | Guerin | Grievre: both these things have broken stuff to greater or lesser degrees. Wait until they're unbroken and upgrade again. |
| 01:07.00 | carrot | Guerin, hehehe bad bad |
| 01:07.16 | jharrison | Grievre: install two older packages put a hold on them and you should be good to go |
| 01:07.30 | kyu | I didn't notice anything diff really after i installed xorg :/ Mind you i don't do much x haxxory above gtk |
| 01:07.31 | Grievre | Okay when I saw unstable, I figured that it meant that it was updated often and that the software itself might be buggy |
| 01:07.32 | jharrison | Grievre: if you are talking about xorg/kde problems that is |
| 01:07.43 | Grievre | NOT that they'd occasionally clusterfuck the entire packaging system |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | Grievre: packages have dependencies ... |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | how hard is this to understand ? |
| 01:07.56 | Guerin | Grievre: whatever made you think that? |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 01:08.05 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:08.10 | Guerin | Grievre: you can't make omelette without breaking eggs. |
| 01:08.14 | pablum | what a stupid ass makefile |
| 01:08.17 | deadcat | abrotman: because he shouldnt be using sid in the first place |
| 01:08.22 | abrotman | deadcat: too late |
| 01:08.38 | weilawei | kyu, it breaks a lot of other packages |
| 01:08.39 | jharrison | Grievre: you obviously did not read what stable/testing/unstable were all about did you? |
| 01:08.43 | weilawei | like vlc is still broken.. |
| 01:08.43 | deadcat | abrotman: hes fuck.. and i dont feel sorry for his ass |
| 01:08.48 | weilawei | blender was.. |
| 01:09.03 | kyu | weilawei: I must be amazingly lucky then hehe :) |
| 01:09.05 | Grievre | Okay how about this |
| 01:09.15 | weilawei | kyu, yeah you're the only one ive seen with anything good to say |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | Grievre: really .. wait a few days .. try again |
| 01:09.43 | jharrison | ive upgraded sid on my box |
| 01:09.48 | kyu | firefox, emacs, aterm, fluxbox gkrellm and vlc all work, and those are the only x apps i use really |
| 01:09.55 | Guerin | SchemerNate: sunday night live? |
| 01:10.00 | abrotman | !flw38 is * Guerin goes to upgrade sid on his own box, to prove it can be done by people who know how |
| 01:10.00 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 01:10.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:10.07 | weilawei | kyu, odd.. maybe i need to check again |
| 01:10.13 | Grievre | god |
| 01:10.21 | weilawei | but sid can be done if you're careful about what you install |
| 01:10.21 | Grievre | I'm just so frustrated about how condescending you all are |
| 01:10.22 | SchemerNate | Gyerun yes |
| 01:10.28 | weilawei | but you have to know wtf you're doing |
| 01:10.35 | kyu | I like sid |
| 01:10.36 | jharrison | Grievre: are you listening? |
| 01:10.36 | SchemerNate | err Guerin |
| 01:10.44 | Grievre | jharrison: hahah, are YOU listening? |
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| 01:10.49 | weilawei | Grievre, we're condescending because there's only 40 or so warning splattered all over EVERYTHING |
| 01:10.52 | weilawei | you cant miss em |
| 01:10.58 | Grievre | well I managed to |
| 01:11.00 | weilawei | hell the thing is NAMED sid for a reason. |
| 01:11.05 | kyu | I would have hoped gcc4 would have grown up a lil bit before it was put in but i don't really use it yet |
| 01:11.11 | dawg | grievre, you remind me of doug from scrubs.. |
| 01:11.26 | weilawei | kyu, ive got it installed but not as my main gcc verion yet |
| 01:11.27 | SchemerNate | I like sid to. Wouldn't install for me last time I tried but I just did a dist-upgrade afterwards. |
| 01:11.28 | Grievre | I have no idea what you're talking about because I don't watch that dumb show |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | weilawei: you mean unstable ? |
| 01:11.36 | weilawei | abrotman, sid IS unstable. |
| 01:11.38 | weilawei | thats it's name |
| 01:11.41 | weilawei | other name |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | weilawei: i'm well aware .. but sid is a nickname .. and by itself means nothing |
| 01:12.00 | kyu | weilawei: after i installed it i tried building a few things with it, ruby compiled fine and 2.6.12 complained alot but didn't break :) |
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| 01:12.04 | kyu | Running it just now, actually |
| 01:12.08 | SchemerNate | Sid's the little Pyro from toy story right? |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | !sid |
| 01:12.13 | Grievre | I'm just frustrated |
| 01:12.13 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 01:12.13 | weilawei | abrotman, it got the nickname from toystory who broke everything |
| 01:12.21 | jharrison | Grievre: shut up and listen |
| 01:12.25 | Grievre | I AM LISTENING |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | weilawei: i'm well aware of what sid/unstable are |
| 01:12.32 | jharrison | Grievre: linuxbs.org/public |
| 01:12.34 | K_Dallas_ | Debian Sid Moves to X.Org , good to know :) |
| 01:12.46 | jharrison | Grievre: download xbaseclients and x-window-system-core |
| 01:12.49 | K_Dallas | Debian Sid Moves to X.Org , good to know :) |
| 01:12.57 | jharrison | Grievre: install them and put a hold on them and you should not have any problems |
| 01:12.59 | carrot | haha |
| 01:13.02 | Guerin | 112 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 2 to remove and 4 not upgraded. <-- no big problems there |
| 01:13.07 | Grievre | jharrison: those aren't my problem |
| 01:13.17 | jharrison | Grievre: what is your problem? |
| 01:13.22 | Grievre | jharrison: my problem is that vlc depends on wxvlc which depends on a version of wxwindows that isn't in the repository yet |
| 01:13.25 | abrotman | he lost gaim and vlc iirc |
| 01:13.25 | nvz | dpkg, find totem-video-thumbnailer |
| 01:13.33 | Guerin | Grievre: don't use vlc -> problem solved |
| 01:13.34 | carrot | Guerin, hehehe |
| 01:13.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'totem-video-thumbnailer' (1): (/usr/bin/totem-video-thumbnailer) in gnome/totem-gstreamer,gnome/totem-xine. |
| 01:13.34 | jharrison | ah |
| 01:13.35 | Grievre | and that gaim depends on an aspell which conflicts with a package that all of KDE depends on |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | nvz: how's vancouver ? |
| 01:13.51 | jharrison | Grievre: are they in experimental |
| 01:13.51 | jharrison | ? |
| 01:13.54 | Grievre | hm |
| 01:13.55 | Guerin | Grievre: don't use gaim -> problem solved |
| 01:13.55 | Grievre | maybe |
| 01:13.59 | abrotman | jharrison: don't do that |
| 01:14.01 | kyu | Grievre: errrr, ?? I'm using wxvlc and it seems ok.... |
| 01:14.02 | Guerin | or in incoming |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | FFS .. his shit is already broken |
| 01:14.06 | weilawei | Grievre, welcome to reality. i did this a few days ago and decided that running the stuff currently in unstable was a bad idea after downgrading everything piece by piece. |
| 01:14.10 | nvz | abrotman: no idea |
| 01:14.15 | weilawei | Grievre, if you cant handle that, don't bother in the first place |
| 01:14.17 | Grievre | Thanks for mentioning experimental, I'll see if that works |
| 01:14.41 | Grievre | hmm |
| 01:14.47 | Grievre | let me see if I still have the previous version of gaim |
| 01:14.47 | abrotman | Grievre: experimental is MORE BROKEN than sid/unstable |
| 01:14.51 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 01:14.51 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 01:15.09 | kyu | oooooohhh |
| 01:15.13 | jharrison | abrotman: dont be a #debian luser ;) |
| 01:15.14 | kyu | I've not used experimental |
| 01:15.14 | Guerin | the other thing you can do is install the different lib versions, while breaking dependencies, and if the apps still work, you can make a dummy package to satisfy apt |
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| 01:15.27 | abrotman | jharrison: don't be a cock .. his shit's broken .. try not to break it more |
| 01:15.37 | Guerin | but that seems way, way beyond your apt-fu |
| 01:15.39 | carrot | Oo |
| 01:15.40 | jharrison | abrotman: ok |
| 01:15.44 | weilawei | kyu... seriously.. you only install from there when you desperetly need something that isn't anywhere else |
| 01:15.49 | weilawei | you dont track unstable |
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| 01:15.59 | weilawei | *experimental |
| 01:16.04 | abrotman | some people do |
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| 01:16.10 | SchemerNate | where's the lock file for /var/cache/debconf/config.dat? |
| 01:16.22 | weilawei | tracking experimental seems like suicide to me without being a superior linux guru |
| 01:16.25 | Guerin | Grievre: use alternative things ... you clearly have an irc client, so you can use AIM by connecting to im.bitlbee.org |
| 01:16.26 | `UD | is it better to use a vnc connection to access the internet from a home network rather than forward rules etc? so that only users can access the internet? |
| 01:16.32 | Grievre | hm |
| 01:16.32 | kyu | weilawei: I'm the crazy gentoo guy though, it's like... my heritage to update 16 times a day |
| 01:16.37 | Grievre | Is it possible |
| 01:16.38 | kyu | I need new software all day! |
| 01:16.39 | kyu | ;) |
| 01:16.43 | Guerin | Grievre: install mplayer and you'll be able to watch video until this all blows over |
| 01:16.45 | PerfDave | `UD: What do you mean? |
| 01:16.47 | Grievre | to force-install a package without removing a package that it conflicts |
| 01:16.48 | weilawei | kyu, i ran gentoo too but gentoo lets you do it because its all compiled for your system |
| 01:16.49 | Grievre | with? |
| 01:16.55 | weilawei | kyu, much more stable that way |
| 01:16.58 | Grievre | Guerin: I have mplayer and xine. I have VLC as well for a reason |
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| 01:17.13 | `UD | PerfDave: well, instead of using forwarding rules in the iptables.. use a vnc login to allow a user access to the internet through the firewall |
| 01:17.14 | Guerin | Grievre: there's no reason I know of to use vlc over mplayer |
| 01:17.24 | weilawei | kyu, tracking binary packages of things that are deemed unfit is a bad idea |
| 01:17.25 | Grievre | except that mplayer can't play some files that vlc can? |
| 01:17.27 | Grievre | and vice-versa |
| 01:17.35 | kyu | Hmmm, perhaps, i can't say i've ever used binaries much before sticking debian on my laptop (purely for the amount of time a gentoo build would take on this machine) |
| 01:17.36 | Guerin | Grievre: i've never found one, given the same codecs |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | Grievre: like what ? |
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| 01:17.51 | kyu | I don't mind it though, nice change. |
| 01:17.52 | zirocn | Hi everybody!!! |
| 01:17.53 | stew | does mplayer do dvd menus? (i think vlc does) |
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| 01:17.56 | jharrison | Grievre: if you have vlc problems go to #videolan |
| 01:17.56 | Grievre | I don't remember what I originally downloaded VLC for, but it was something I couldn't play with mplayer OR xine |
| 01:17.59 | Grievre | A:OIHSP*@!# |
| 01:18.02 | weilawei | stew: vlc does with the dvdmenus package |
| 01:18.03 | kyu | Hi zirocn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111 |
| 01:18.11 | Grievre | I don't have vlc problems!!! |
| 01:18.14 | weilawei | its something like vlc-dvdmenus |
| 01:18.17 | weilawei | i dont remember offhand |
| 01:18.21 | Guerin | Grievre: that's not what you said earlier |
| 01:18.28 | dawg | stew, mplayer doesn't |
| 01:18.29 | PerfDave | `UD: Eh? You mean allow one machine to access the Internet, and have other people VNC into it? |
| 01:18.29 | Grievre | I have a DEBIAN problem that happens to involve VLC |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | Grievre: you could always try the official AOL AIM packages |
| 01:18.46 | Guerin | Grievre: so? Show some fucking adaptability. |
| 01:18.47 | Grievre | except that gaim isn't just for AIM |
| 01:18.51 | kyu | !troll Grievre |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | so what else? |
| 01:18.56 | Grievre | What the fuck |
| 01:18.57 | Grievre | how am I trolling |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | use gnome-jabber .. |
| 01:19.00 | Grievre | really how am I trolling |
| 01:19.00 | Guerin | Grievre: fucking use your irc client and bitlbee |
| 01:19.11 | `UD | PerfDave: yea, one machine has access to the internet.. and then the lan vnc into that and access the net |
| 01:19.12 | stew | bitlbee is great |
| 01:19.22 | kyu | You're getting too worked up over shit that honestly doesn't make any diff to your life.... |
| 01:19.32 | Guerin | Grievre: just stop whining like a little spoilt kid and go fix your shit. You dug this hole, now you get to climb out. |
| 01:19.33 | PerfDave | `UD: That would be a very slow way of doing things. Why do you want to do that? You'd be better off using remote X, for starters. |
| 01:19.34 | abrotman | it might to him |
| 01:19.37 | Grievre | Kylixen: that's not what trolling is |
| 01:19.39 | Grievre | er |
| 01:19.40 | Grievre | kyu |
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| 01:19.48 | Hydroxide | what's the question here? something about gaim? (bitlbee doesn't meet my needs either, fwiw) |
| 01:19.53 | `UD | PerfDave: remote X? now i'm lost |
| 01:19.58 | Grievre | There's no question! |
| 01:20.01 | kyu | No, it's not, but you're complaining about using an UNSTABLE branch of debian, what did you expect to happen?? |
| 01:20.05 | Guerin | Hydroxide: broken libs in sid mean gaim is uninstallable |
| 01:20.12 | Hydroxide | Guerin: ah |
| 01:20.13 | Guerin | Hydroxide: long time no see in here, too... |
| 01:20.14 | PerfDave | `UD: You can run your web browser remotely over SSH, it'll be faster and easier than using VNC. |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 01:20.27 | `UD | PerfDave: ahh.. okies, thanks |
| 01:20.31 | weilawei | Grievre, hell why not just fucking reinstall? won't take you nearly as long to dig your way out. Then, upgrade to testing. Then, pin packages from unstable on a per package basis |
| 01:20.38 | Grievre | All someone needs to do is edit the libaspell15c2 package |
| 01:20.39 | Hydroxide | Guerin: I've been here, just not paying too much attention to this channel. (lately, I've been at debconf5 ... in fact, I'm still here) |
| 01:20.40 | abrotman | stop telling him to reinstall |
| 01:20.44 | Grievre | so that it provides libaspell15 |
| 01:20.50 | abrotman | FFS .. he chose sid .. he has to learn how to fix it |
| 01:20.55 | kyu | Yes indeed stop telling him to reinstall |
| 01:20.57 | Hydroxide | Grievre: that's not actually a possible solution |
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| 01:21.07 | jme | erm, gaim works fine for me in sid |
| 01:21.08 | Guerin | Hydroxide: ah, i saw the massive photo with identities on it. |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 01:21.09 | dpkg | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 01:21.12 | jme | updated today and it's able to install again |
| 01:21.18 | Hydroxide | Grievre: the reason the package name changed is because it changed incompatibly |
| 01:21.18 | kyu | That's like having a kid who goes bad and saying "whoops,i'd better have another one" |
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| 01:21.44 | Hydroxide | Grievre: is this on an x86 machine (Intel/AMD)? |
| 01:21.49 | Grievre | Hydroxide: oh ok. So then why do the two packages conflict? If they're incompatible libraries then the .sos should have different version numbers, so you should be able to install both |
| 01:21.51 | weilawei | kyu, he's either going to whine or do it. frankly i haven't heard much doing it in the way of fixing it. |
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| 01:21.56 | Guerin | Grievre: the reason the libs are out of syn is because of an ABI change. That means packages built against on version of the lib can't talk to packages built against another version. So actually, they need to be rebuilt ... which is what's happening. |
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| 01:22.35 | wishie | hmm, it seems my cron job is working now..to whoever was trying to help me fix it. |
| 01:22.44 | kyu | wishie, cool |
| 01:22.46 | Guerin | Grievre: you CAN go and install two versions of the libs, but you'd have to force dependencies, like i told you earlier - and that's even dicier than what you have now. |
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| 01:23.02 | kyu | And it was your mta i was trying to fix, i'm sure cron was fine |
| 01:23.03 | kyu | ;) |
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| 01:23.36 | kyu | overflow error in /dev/null? How.... gay... |
| 01:23.41 | kyu | I mean.... dull |
| 01:23.45 | jme | kids these days. |
| 01:23.46 | stew | !tell kyu about gay |
| 01:23.52 | kyu | I knew that was coming, heh |
| 01:23.55 | Grievre | Oh hey look at that |
| 01:23.57 | kyu | I said it by accident |
| 01:24.00 | Grievre | they don't even have a single file in common |
| 01:24.02 | Grievre | why do they conflict |
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| 01:24.16 | abrotman | the give the same library name maybe ? |
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| 01:24.32 | cougar` | I didn't |
| 01:24.38 | Guerin | Grievre: read debian packaging policy ... if you think the conflict is an error, file a bug. |
| 01:24.39 | abrotman | they give |
| 01:24.43 | weilawei | Grievre, the package gets linked against a library name say libxyz. They don't get linked against libxyz2.3 usually |
| 01:24.57 | Grievre | oh |
| 01:24.58 | weilawei | usually. Like Guerin said, if you think theres no reason for it, file it |
| 01:25.05 | pablum | Grievre, do you know what a shared library is? |
| 01:25.06 | Grievre | Oh I see the stupid problem |
| 01:25.10 | Grievre | they changed the ABI |
| 01:25.12 | abrotman | wow |
| 01:25.14 | weilawei | wow |
| 01:25.14 | Guerin | Grievre: i expect it's so the library replaces an old version of itself, rather than installing multiple redundant versions and clogging your system up with unused libs |
| 01:25.15 | Grievre | without changing the major version of the lib |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | keep up in the back there |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | guerin only mentioned the ABI change .. about 10 minutes ago |
| 01:25.40 | Grievre | <Grievre> without changing the major version of the li |
| 01:25.41 | Grievre | b |
| 01:25.45 | Grievre | reeeead |
| 01:25.54 | Hydroxide | Grievre: that's what we were telling you. it is not a change in the library code at all. it's the same version of the library. the problem is that it's compiled against g++ 4.0 instead of g++ 3.3 |
| 01:26.00 | jharrison | bunch of tolerate losers |
| 01:26.05 | Hydroxide | Grievre: which is necessary because that's Debian's new default compiler |
| 01:26.10 | Grievre | oh |
| 01:26.14 | Hydroxide | Grievre: and the GCC people happened to have changed their C++ ABI |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | but they still provide the same libname |
| 01:26.21 | Grievre | oh THAT'S what you meant |
| 01:26.26 | Hydroxide | Grievre: yeah |
| 01:26.27 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:26.40 | Hydroxide | Grievre: it's probably a good idea to read debian-devel-announce if you run unstable |
| 01:26.49 | Hydroxide | Grievre: changes like this are announced there |
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| 01:27.00 | abrotman | and on most debian-ish news sites .. and DWN |
| 01:27.14 | stew | if you run sid you shoudl read dda and dsa |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | or just read :) |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | oh come on .. laugh . it was funny! |
| 01:27.38 | Hydroxide | abrotman: not as much, actually. it's much easier to miss if you only follow the debian-ish news sites |
| 01:27.39 | stew | < Grievre> reeeead |
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| 01:27.51 | Grievre | oh ok |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | Hydroxide: i was including planet.d.n in the news sites :) |
| 01:27.57 | Grievre | I can still downgrade gaim |
| 01:28.00 | Grievre | until this is all fixed |
| 01:28.07 | Guerin | Grievre: what's stopping you? |
| 01:28.08 | Azar | xorg on sid got ./-ed |
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| 01:28.10 | Grievre | it only uninstalled it because it decided to upgrade gaim-data to the newer version |
| 01:28.11 | abrotman | Hydroxide: but yes .. it's always better to follow the mailing lists |
| 01:28.23 | Azar | eerrr /.-ed |
| 01:28.29 | Hydroxide | abrotman: ah :) I consider that more of a public developer collaboration-cum-schmoozefest :) |
| 01:28.37 | Hydroxide | abrotman: but, yes, there is a lot of news there too |
| 01:28.43 | abrotman | Hydroxide: it's certainly informative to read planet.d.n |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | Hydroxide: well . sometimes .. reading debian-kernel flamewars is funny though :) |
| 01:29.01 | Hydroxide | abrotman: true. btw, it's also planet.d.o now ... so update your mental bookmark |
| 01:29.02 | kyu | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/07/17/1511249.shtml?tid=90&tid=106 |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | Hydroxide: planet.debian.net works fine |
| 01:29.24 | Hydroxide | abrotman: true also. |
| 01:29.25 | Grievre | shit, so I can't upgrade any g++ program until they're ALL updated? |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | Grievre: i think i said .. like 30 minutes ago .. wait a few days |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | then try again |
| 01:29.51 | Grievre | I'm going to |
| 01:29.55 | Hydroxide | Grievre: there's a major transition happening. this sort of thing is not uncommon immediately after a release. it's one of the facts of life when running unstable |
| 01:30.01 | Grievre | where did I indicate that I wasn't planning on doing that |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | Grievre: ok .. |
| 01:30.23 | simonrvn | tough. put up or shut up. simple, really. |
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| 01:30.40 | Hydroxide | c'mon guys, stop attacking Grievre every chance you get for his misunderstanding, and Grievre, stop being so defensive ... in short, calm down both sides. we can communicate without attacking. |
| 01:30.58 | Grievre | hm |
| 01:31.02 | simonrvn | just one of those things it pays to have some patience, 'cause it will work out for the better |
| 01:31.03 | Q-collective | hi all, howto delete a daemon, like gdm, from the boot process? |
| 01:31.05 | Grievre | how can you install two packages that depend on each other using dpkg? |
| 01:31.17 | fishynet | Can someone recommend an (encrypted) alternative to VNC? |
| 01:31.20 | Hydroxide | Grievre: put them both on the same dpkg command line |
| 01:31.21 | Guerin | Grievre: dpkg -i packagename otherpackagename |
| 01:31.27 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: not attacking, just being realistic |
| 01:31.29 | Hydroxide | fishynet: tunnel vnc over ssh |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | Q-collective: update-rc.d |
| 01:31.39 | Grievre | ah |
| 01:31.41 | Grievre | I didn't know you could do that |
| 01:31.51 | Grievre | okay vlc's reinstalled too |
| 01:31.52 | Hydroxide | simonrvn: *shrug* |
| 01:32.01 | Q-collective | abrotman: could you give me the syntax for that? :) |
| 01:32.08 | fishynet | Hydroxide: perferably with encryption built in ;) |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | Q-collective: there's a man page |
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| 01:32.13 | abrotman | !tell Q-collective about update-rc.d |
| 01:32.15 | Grievre | hm |
| 01:32.22 | Hydroxide | fishynet: that really is the most common solution for what you are asking for. |
| 01:32.23 | Q-collective | abrotman: I'm not on debian |
| 01:32.24 | simonrvn | i can see how it can come across as nasty, but it wasn't meant nasty, just edgy =) |
| 01:32.26 | Grievre | Does there exist a way for mplayer to play wmv9 yet? |
| 01:32.31 | Grievre | or realmedia files |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | Q-collective: read what dpkg said |
| 01:32.44 | Q-collective | kk :) |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | Q-collective: wait .. what kind of linux is this for ? |
| 01:32.50 | fishynet | I suppose It'll do, thanks :) |
| 01:33.06 | Q-collective | abrotman: debian |
| 01:33.37 | Grievre | hm |
| 01:33.39 | Q-collective | thanks :) |
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| 01:33.47 | Grievre | #dri's dead, I don't suppose anyone could help me with trying to get DRM to not be broken? |
| 01:33.51 | Hydroxide | Grievre: I think so, but we don't support mplayer here, since it's not in Debian. check http://www.mplayerhq.hu for the main mplayer page or search google for "debian marillat" for some UNOFFICIAL apt repositories for which you SHOULD NOT come here for support |
| 01:33.57 | Guerin | Grievre: are there codecs available for them? |
| 01:34.01 | wishie | kyu: well, the mail isnt working still, but thats ok. aslong as the cron job runs. which is does. |
| 01:34.13 | Grievre | Guerin: you just basically asked a more specific version of the question I just asked |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | Grievre: nvidia ? |
| 01:34.29 | Guerin | Grievre: well, it's hard to tell what you understand and what you don't. |
| 01:34.42 | Grievre | abrotman: Since when has DRI had any nvidia support?! O.o |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | Grievre: you didn't answer the damn question |
| 01:34.53 | fishynet | Actually, Hydroxide, now that I think about it, it's a good idea, that's one less port that I gotta keep open :) |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | god ... |
| 01:34.56 | Grievre | no I have a radeon 9000 Pro |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | it was a yes/no question |
| 01:35.14 | Grievre | No not nvidia. This answer should be obvious to you because if I had an nvidia card I would not be trying to use DRI! |
| 01:35.21 | Hydroxide | yeah, radeon 9000 should be supported |
| 01:35.39 | Grievre | Hydroxide: wow really? I didn't know that even though I've been using DRI with this card for over a year now :) |
| 01:35.48 | abrotman | Grievre: yes .. because nvidia has closed packages for DRI-ish stuff |
| 01:36.12 | Grievre | abrotman: no, they have their own drivers. ATI's proprietary drivers are based on DRI, but nvidia's arent |
| 01:36.13 | Hydroxide | yep. I think it was true even with XFree86, but Xorg has much improved radeon support |
| 01:36.23 | jharrison | hhmmm now we are on to video cards |
| 01:36.25 | Grievre | well anyway |
| 01:36.26 | jharrison | how lovely |
| 01:36.28 | Grievre | my problem is with the kernel module |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | radeon9000 is supported by xfree/xorg with free drivers iirc |
| 01:36.41 | Hydroxide | yeah. it's still much improved in xorg |
| 01:36.41 | Q-collective | yup |
| 01:36.46 | Grievre | It refuses to load even when I hand-compile it |
| 01:36.46 | jharrison | are we going to have a gay old time with video cards now? |
| 01:36.48 | simonrvn | yeh, xorg has really nice ati support. |
| 01:36.52 | abrotman | i think it's >9300 that's not |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | well .. don't know about xorg |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | just xfree |
| 01:37.06 | Q-collective | abrotman: >9200 even |
| 01:37.09 | Hydroxide | Grievre: you should just use the kernel module built into the kernel package you are using |
| 01:37.09 | Guerin | Grievre: xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 is very, very different from xfree86 4.3.0 stockk upstream |
| 01:37.10 | Grievre | gives me a bunch of errors about dri_* symbols |
| 01:37.18 | Hydroxide | Grievre: what kernel are you using? |
| 01:37.19 | simonrvn | jharrison: gay old time with old cards too ;) |
| 01:37.23 | initech | err, 9000 here, works fine with everything, but the fglrx drivers are faster |
| 01:37.31 | Grievre | 2.6.12.3 |
| 01:37.35 | Grievre | but it didn't work with 2.6.10 either |
| 01:37.35 | simonrvn | and non-free |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | Q-collective: the radeon driver in xfree works with 9250 |
| 01:37.47 | Q-collective | abrotman: 92xx |
| 01:37.49 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 01:37.52 | jharrison | simonrvn: :) |
| 01:38.08 | Hydroxide | Grievre: try using a standard debian kernel ... I believe there is a 2.6.12 kernel available now |
| 01:38.13 | Grievre | haha no |
| 01:38.14 | jharrison | simonrvn: well I figured the correct use of the term was appropriate |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | haha no what ? |
| 01:38.43 | Q-collective | Hydroxide: 2.6.12.2 even :) |
| 01:38.45 | abrotman | Grievre: you don't want to use a debian packaged kernel ? |
| 01:38.49 | Grievre | no, not really |
| 01:39.09 | Grievre | I compile my own kernels |
| 01:39.09 | simonrvn | jharrison: sure gay == happy, fun |
| 01:39.13 | Q-collective | Grievre: why not? |
| 01:39.18 | Q-collective | :+ |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | Grievre: so it's not our problem anymore .. use a debian kernel .. or fix it yourself .. |
| 01:39.23 | Hydroxide | Grievre: do you compile using make-kpkg? |
| 01:39.33 | stew | did 2.6.12 go in today? |
| 01:39.35 | Hydroxide | Grievre: but, it is much simpler to use the debian kernels |
| 01:39.39 | Grievre | abrotman: please copy and paste where I said it was your problem |
| 01:39.40 | Hydroxide | stew: either today or yesterday |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | Grievre: you're asking us to fix your DRI .. |
| 01:39.48 | Hydroxide | Grievre: you said that by asking in #debian |
| 01:39.54 | Grievre | I'm not asking you to fix my DRI |
| 01:39.59 | abrotman | Grievre: and it's not a debian kernel ... |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | holy shit ... |
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| 01:40.05 | abrotman | fucking idiot |
| 01:40.06 | Grievre | dear god |
| 01:40.15 | jharrison | simonrvn: exactly |
| 01:40.27 | Hydroxide | Grievre: if you aren't asking us to fix your DRI, all of us got the opposite impression, including me |
| 01:40.35 | Grievre | I'm asking you to help ME |
| 01:40.38 | Grievre | fix the dri |
| 01:40.41 | Grievre | I'm not asking you to do it FOR me |
| 01:40.47 | Q-collective | lol |
| 01:40.48 | Hydroxide | Grievre: yes, same thing in this case |
| 01:40.53 | jharrison | hey I compile my own kernels too |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | WOW .. LOOK AT THAT! |
| 01:41.02 | jharrison | guess im an outcast now |
| 01:41.04 | Hydroxide | Grievre: if you're not willing to try a known good kernel, even for the sake of debugging... |
| 01:41.20 | jharrison | apparently not using debian kernels is frowned upon |
| 01:41.23 | stormo | i have a question about xorg and nvidia-glx |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | !nvidia xorg |
| 01:41.29 | Grievre | dear god |
| 01:41.32 | Hydroxide | jharrison: it's more that they're a known quantity |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | !nvidia-xorg |
| 01:41.40 | Grievre | Just say "No I can't help you" |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | bah .. it's there somewhere |
| 01:41.45 | Grievre | and be done with it |
| 01:41.47 | jharrison | Hydroxide: yes I know im just trying to cause trouble |
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| 01:41.59 | internat | i dont use debian kernels.. i use the debian kernel source and their patches, but i make my own kernel with my own config |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | stormo: /msg dpkg xorg-nvidia |
| 01:42.09 | stormo | thanx |
| 01:42.15 | Grievre | look. I don't expect anyone to know how to help me |
| 01:42.17 | Hydroxide | Grievre: we can help you, but you should try a debian packaged kernel. |
| 01:42.18 | Grievre | I'm just asking in case anyone does |
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| 01:42.28 | Hydroxide | Grievre: because we know they are pretty reliable |
| 01:42.38 | Hydroxide | Grievre: if you want to go back to your kernel afterwards, that's fine |
| 01:42.43 | Grievre | alright |
| 01:42.46 | jharrison | goodnight freaks |
| 01:42.52 | Grievre | what files will it run over if I try to install it |
| 01:43.01 | Grievre | so I can move them out of the way |
| 01:43.01 | jdhutchin1 | none? |
| 01:43.07 | Hydroxide | Grievre: if you compiled your existing kernel with make-kpkg, there is no problem |
| 01:43.20 | Q-collective | make-kpkg? |
| 01:43.37 | Hydroxide | Grievre: if you compiled and installed it by hand, you would know better than I what files you installed |
| 01:43.49 | Grievre | I don't get why a debian kernel is inherently more reliable than a vanilla linux kernel |
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| 01:43.57 | Hydroxide | Q-collective: yes, the debian kernel package building tool. in the kernel-package package |
| 01:43.59 | Grievre | especially one from sid |
| 01:44.09 | stew | Hydroxide: 2.6.12 doens't seem to be in unstable yet |
| 01:44.14 | Q-collective | Hydroxide: ah, what's special about it? |
| 01:44.23 | simonrvn | nothing to do with reliability, but commonality of files and dirvers present |
| 01:44.32 | phillips | for anybody sufferY^Wrunning wmaker, it seems you need something like 'ln -s /usr/bin/WPrefs /usr/X11R6/bin/WPrefs' in order to run WPrefs as non-root, don't ask me why |
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| 01:44.57 | phillips | got no time to write a bug report, feel free ;-) |
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| 01:45.05 | PerfDave | phillips: reportbug :p |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | !tell Q-collective about kp |
| 01:45.23 | Hydroxide | Grievre: it's more that they are built by a team of experts and get a lot more testing than what one non-expert individual builds by hand. it is useful to use something like that for debugging, even if for some reason it doesn't meet your needs going forward |
| 01:45.49 | simonrvn | well put |
| 01:45.50 | Hydroxide | Q-collective: make-kpkg makes a nicely integrated .deb, which can be installed and removed nicely, adds itself to your bootloader, etc. |
| 01:45.54 | Grievre | I have no doubt in my mind that if I used the DRM module that comes with the debian kernel it would work perfectly |
| 01:46.12 | Hydroxide | Grievre: is there an actual problem with using the debian kernel? |
| 01:46.12 | Q-collective | Hydroxide: ah :) |
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| 01:46.17 | jcurry | <jcurry> could someone help me get embedded video's working? if i click on a video file, i get the error: library files for libkmplayerpart.la not in paths. I cannot find any such file on my system...i'm using christian marillat's package on debian sid |
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| 01:46.19 | Grievre | it's not the latest version? |
| 01:46.45 | kyu | Is there something in .12 you need that's not in .11? |
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| 01:47.02 | Hydroxide | Grievre: do you have an actual reason to want to be running the latest Linux version? remember, they don't exactly have separate stable and development branches any more |
| 01:47.27 | Hydroxide | Grievre: there are lots of rough edges in new kernels sometimes. debian's kernel team often polishes those out. they do make lots of fixes and such |
| 01:47.29 | phillips | hydroxide, no justification should be required to want to run the latest kernel |
| 01:47.41 | phillips | it is good to run the latest kernel, for those who are willing |
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| 01:47.50 | Grievre | I run devel kernels and CVS DRI and have been for the past year |
| 01:47.51 | nvz | Hydroxide: eh? what do you mean they dont have separate stable and development branches anymore? |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | he obviosuly knows better than the debian-kernel team |
| 01:48.05 | Hydroxide | phillips: and then those people come asking in #debian for support? |
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| 01:48.20 | phillips | hydroxide, and then should be referred to lkml, yes |
| 01:48.23 | phillips | simple |
| 01:48.25 | Hydroxide | Grievre: if you're doing that, then lord knows things are going to break |
| 01:48.30 | phillips | politely of course |
| 01:48.32 | Grievre | abrotman: dear god leave me alone |
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| 01:48.46 | phillips | because they are the most important people, they are willing to test the new stuff |
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| 01:49.14 | abrotman | or think newer version numbers are automatically better |
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| 01:49.26 | PerfDave | nvz: /msg dpkg kernel of instability |
| 01:49.27 | Grievre | I don't come here asking for support with dri and the latest kernel. I come here asking for support with debian, and then ask offhand if anyone happens to be able to help me |
| 01:49.40 | Grievre | if not, no problem. I'll look somewhere else |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | nvz: the version numbers are stupidified now |
| 01:49.50 | Grievre | I'm just asking, while I happen to be here, if there just happens to be anyone here who can help me |
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| 01:50.03 | PerfDave | Grievre: /msg dpkg further help |
| 01:50.12 | Hydroxide | Grievre: in that case, this is probably not the best place. try lkml if you're running things as you say |
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| 01:50.16 | pablum | nvz, 2.6.something is what you're going to get. That six mod 2 == 0. six is where new dev is being done. |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | didn't 2.6.12.x get devfs removed ? |
| 01:50.51 | Hydroxide | nvz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 ... kernel guy greg kroah-hartman posts something to the effect that there are no more stable and devel branches |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | or was that just a patch level like -mm ? |
| 01:51.02 | Hydroxide | abrotman: ah, yeah, that is a big change that might possibly be related to his problem |
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| 01:51.08 | Hydroxide | abrotman: no, it was 2.6.12 |
| 01:51.14 | Grievre | Hasn't devfs been deprecated in favor of udev for like, a year? |
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| 01:51.23 | abrotman | boxcars! |
| 01:51.28 | coywolf | !find etc/init.d/iptables |
| 01:51.33 | weilawei | reality has been deprecated in favor of IRC. |
| 01:51.36 | Hydroxide | Grievre: yes |
| 01:51.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/init.d/iptables' returned no results. |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | coywolf: doesn't exist .. use apt-file |
| 01:51.42 | Grievre | I don't use either, anyhow |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | coywolf: read the documentation .. and all will be clear |
| 01:51.52 | kyu | XzKuToR! FEAAAARR |
| 01:51.56 | PerfDave | Does udev work eyt? |
| 01:51.56 | coywolf | I need to install /etc/init.d/iptables in order to save my rules |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | PerfDave: works for me |
| 01:52.14 | abrotman | coywolf: READ the documentation |
| 01:52.21 | abrotman | there is no /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | god |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | grr |
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| 01:52.43 | Hydroxide | abrotman: calm down ... now you're starting out angry when dealing with new inquiries |
| 01:53.03 | coywolf | !find /var/lib/iptables/ |
| 01:53.10 | abrotman | Hydroxide: coywolf has been in here a lot .. and fails to read stuff .. even after he's told to read it multiple times .. it's not really a new situation :) |
| 01:53.11 | ugly | can someone running sarge give me the output of 'echo ${BASH_VERSINFO[0]}'? need to make sure 2.x has that array |
| 01:53.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/var/lib/iptables/' returned no results. |
| 01:53.23 | Hydroxide | abrotman: oh, and an /etc/init.d/iptables is provided in the doc directory, I think. they definitely provide some initscript example |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | coywolf: did you read any of the iptables documentation ? |
| 01:53.26 | ugly | it should echo "2" |
| 01:53.40 | saskuach | 2 |
| 01:53.43 | ugly | thanks |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | Hydroxide: but not in etc/init.d/iptables .. he implies you should use pre-up etc |
| 01:53.58 | Hydroxide | abrotman: ah, I see |
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| 01:54.09 | PerfDave | abrotman: Will "apt-get install udev" Just Work, or will everything fuck up? |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | PerfDave: it 'just worked' for me .. but i'm special like that :) |
| 01:55.03 | stew | PerfDave: udev in unstable doesn't work with any currently packaged kernel since it requires 2.6.12 |
| 01:55.09 | dos000 | anyone know what to use to automate/script filling a web form ? |
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| 01:55.33 | abrotman | dos000: i think firefox/mozilla have plugins for that .. maybe inquire on irc.mozilla.org |
| 01:55.41 | coywolf | abrotman, debian used to have /etc/init.d/iptables by default |
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| 01:55.54 | coywolf | abrotman, now, i see /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 01:55.55 | abrotman | coywolf: READ THE DOCUMENTATION .. IT'S ALL EXPLAINED |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | there's a fucking README .. read it |
| 01:56.05 | PerfDave | stew: I don't run unstable. |
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| 01:56.07 | RogueDopple | ha ah |
| 01:56.38 | abrotman | coywolf: i'm not trying to be a dick .. it caught me by surprise the first time also .. really read the docs .. he tells you exactly what to do |
| 01:56.42 | Supaplex | pita printing! |
| 01:56.49 | Grievre | You're not trying to be a dick but you're succeeding! |
| 01:56.53 | RogueDopple | so abrotman I see you are finally having enough along with the silent minority :) |
| 01:57.06 | RogueDopple | Grievre: he wins this one |
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| 01:57.30 | abrotman | RogueDopple: que ? |
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| 01:57.44 | coywolf | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | coywolf: does it make sense now ? |
| 01:57.55 | abrotman | RogueDopple: i get yelled at for yelling :) |
| 01:57.56 | Supaplex | when I print a test page in cups, the history says that job was canceled, but no indication why. What's something else I can check? |
| 01:58.08 | RogueDopple | he he |
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| 01:58.10 | coywolf | abec0, yes |
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| 01:58.13 | coywolf | abrotman, yes |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | coywolf: and you know what to do now? |
| 01:59.49 | nvz | dpkg, find gst-thumbnail |
| 01:59.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gst-thumbnail' returned no results. |
| 02:00.40 | zite | X won't start and in the XFree86.0.log it says at the bottom "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 02:00.59 | zite | is the problem that I need to download and install a driver specific to my graphics card? |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | no waht devices? |
| 02:01.12 | weilawei | anyone know where to get avidemux2? i had it on another box and cant for the life of me remember where it was.. doesnt seem to be in testing, unstable, or experimental |
| 02:01.32 | zite | no screens found |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | !tell weilawei about search |
| 02:01.40 | weilawei | abrotman, i have been searching. |
| 02:01.41 | zite | Fatal server error: No screens found |
| 02:01.43 | dvs | zite: What graphics card? |
| 02:01.53 | rixth | zite, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (for a start) |
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| 02:02.12 | saskuach | how can I find out what packages the 'base' install consists of? You know when the installer reboots for the first time and there is only about 100 mb of stuff installed, and it THEN proceeds to install everything... |
| 02:02.16 | zite | gefore 6600 |
| 02:02.21 | zite | geforce rather |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | weilawei: could be unofficial .. might want to try apt-get.org |
| 02:02.35 | weilawei | abrotman, i don't need to be told to search after i already said i looked for it. |
| 02:02.43 | abrotman | weilawei: i wasn't sure how you looked |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | you didn't specify |
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| 02:03.05 | zite | ah, apparently the nv type I selected on install doesn't cover the 6600 chipset |
| 02:03.14 | rixth | saskuach, you could use apttitute and look in the 'base' category |
| 02:03.20 | PerfDave | zite: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:03.26 | rixth | Make that aptitude |
| 02:04.00 | saskuach | rixth: right, already did that, and reinstalled those packages with not luck |
| 02:04.16 | rixth | saskuach, well, do you get any errors? |
| 02:04.25 | rixth | What is your problem |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | saskuach: did you do what bob2 said ? |
| 02:04.27 | weilawei | abrotman, thx for that site, it is unofficial |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | weilawei: yay |
| 02:04.51 | saskuach | rixth: nope, installed fine... |
| 02:04.52 | coywolf | abrotman, by using ifupdown now |
| 02:05.12 | abrotman | coywolf: uhm ... you read the README ? |
| 02:05.13 | zite | thanks perfdave |
| 02:05.22 | weilawei | abrotman, except... it's version 1.. nobody seems to have the 2nd major version.. which is odd. i got it SOMEHOW and it wasn't this hard last time. |
| 02:05.25 | nvz | bah I still cant get nautilus to preview audio or video.. only images and text |
| 02:05.48 | weilawei | no i take that back |
| 02:05.49 | weilawei | i misread |
| 02:05.50 | saskuach | nvz: me too... |
| 02:05.50 | coywolf | abrotman, yes, am I wrong? |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | weilawei: can't help you more than that .. i'm not even sure what that library does |
| 02:05.55 | nvz | I installed totem-gstreamer, then installed nautilus-media.. still no luck 8-/ |
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| 02:06.12 | abrotman | coywolf: you can use pre-up .. that will work if you want .. the README suggests a few options ... |
| 02:06.13 | weilawei | abrotman, actually it's just like it sounds.. its a non linear video editor |
| 02:06.22 | weilawei | avi and demux ;) |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | weilawei: why would you want a non-linear movie .. i mean .. the story would be all messed up :) |
| 02:06.38 | saskuach | abtrotman: doing that right now, hoping it'll work, but not optimistic |
| 02:06.49 | cyberlok | is there a way to force a package to not exist in the db?? I made sure all files associated with the deb are gone but now are getting |
| 02:06.55 | cyberlok | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | saskuach: bob2 is good, bob2 is wise ... have faith |
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| 02:07.10 | cyberlok | why I try and install other packages or just try to do a normal security update |
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| 02:07.24 | abrotman | cyberlok: why is it failing ? |
| 02:07.25 | nvz | saskuach: you know of anything else that easily thumbnails video? |
| 02:07.32 | saskuach | abrotman: the script didn't work.... not saying anything bad about bob2, but it didn't work... |
| 02:07.34 | weilawei | abrotman, haha it means that instead of being forced to edit one frame and then the next, you can mix and match clips.. sorta like film splicing on a computer |
| 02:07.40 | cyberlok | it is failing on webmin-inetd |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | saskuach: what script did he give you? |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:07.46 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 02:07.53 | bob2 | saskuach: "didn't work" is not an error message |
| 02:07.56 | cyberlok | yeah trying to get rid of it |
| 02:08.00 | abrotman | weilawei: oh .. good for movies of the kids! |
| 02:08.04 | saskuach | nvz: can't say that I do |
| 02:08.14 | weilawei | abrotman, hahah they use nonlinear video for everything these days |
| 02:08.33 | weilawei | its the general technique for any major movie certainly (not that most of those dont suck) |
| 02:08.38 | abrotman | weilawei: i'm not a video person .. noone seems to like being taped while naked .. dunno why |
| 02:08.50 | weilawei | abrotman, damn. i've got a few but i promised not to give em away |
| 02:08.53 | weilawei | private stash you see |
| 02:08.55 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:09.04 | saskuach | bob2: is greater-than-sign with no results an error? :) |
| 02:09.19 | bob2 | saskuach: I guess I misquoted then |
| 02:09.25 | cyberlok | now I am just looking to remove any concept of webmin or webmin-inetd from the apt db |
| 02:09.32 | nvz | I recall having the a/v preview working on nautilus in woody years ago |
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| 02:09.39 | saskuach | bob2: it's no problem, I'm doing that in synaptec |
| 02:09.41 | nvz | I don't know what I am doing wrong now |
| 02:10.00 | weilawei | abrotman, the other advantage of grabbing avidemux2 is that it depends on a whole lot of codecs.. so any move that wasnt working properly before probably will now. |
| 02:10.00 | cyberlok | I rather use console but some admin installed this broke package and now I cant update the linux serveer |
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| 02:10.12 | weilawei | besides sometimes a video just needs a small smoother filter to look better |
| 02:10.19 | bob2 | saskuach: for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '/install$/ {print $1}') ; do sudo apt-get install --reinstall $i ; done |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | weilawei: maybe the mplayer site ? |
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| 02:10.57 | weilawei | abrotman, nah this snags everything i'll probably ever use as well as being a tool i'd use. i like VLC personally. |
| 02:11.03 | Grievre | Hm |
| 02:11.04 | Grievre | that's od |
| 02:11.11 | Grievre | for some reason, if you build JUST the radeon module, it doesn't work |
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| 02:11.15 | Grievre | but if you build ALL the modules, it does |
| 02:11.18 | Grievre | o.O |
| 02:11.27 | Grievre | brb, restarting X |
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| 02:11.35 | bob2 | some kernel modules change basic kernel code |
| 02:11.41 | abrotman | weilawei: i meant the mplayer respository |
| 02:11.41 | bob2 | e.g. ipv6 isn't really a module |
| 02:11.47 | Grievre | bob2: hu |
| 02:11.54 | weilawei | abrotman, oh.. i already installed avidemux2 |
| 02:11.56 | saskuach | bob2: that worked |
| 02:11.57 | weilawei | heh |
| 02:12.03 | Grievre | bob2: Not possible in this case, still using the same kernel |
| 02:12.05 | weilawei | i got it off another unofficial repo |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | weilawei: oh ok .. |
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| 02:12.12 | weilawei | thanks for that apt-get site |
| 02:12.13 | saskuach | grievre: ? |
| 02:12.13 | cprog | Good evening.. |
| 02:12.15 | weilawei | didnt know about that one |
| 02:12.17 | bob2 | saskuach: cool |
| 02:12.19 | Grievre | I build the module and inserted it without rebooting |
| 02:12.23 | Grievre | built |
| 02:12.23 | weilawei | and google wasnt helping much |
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| 02:12.29 | cprog | Anyone know the trigger to get info on updating to SARGE? |
| 02:12.34 | bob2 | that's so much simpler since I found out how to do that in awk |
| 02:12.40 | saskuach | bob2: many thanks |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | !tell cprog about woody->sarge |
| 02:12.41 | bob2 | cprog: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 02:13.25 | cprog | is "testing" sarge? I just downloaded the 3.0R7 ISO's for stable... wasn't sure if sarge is testing or unstable or what |
| 02:13.29 | cprog | thnx! |
| 02:13.41 | Grievre | sarge was testing |
| 02:13.42 | Grievre | now it's stable |
| 02:13.44 | dvs | cprog: you want 3.1r0a |
| 02:13.46 | weilawei | cprog, testing is etch. sarge is stable. |
| 02:13.53 | saskuach | what's testing now? |
| 02:13.57 | cprog | what's woody? |
| 02:14.00 | saskuach | n/m |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | cprog: sarge is now stable .. etch is now testing |
| 02:14.01 | weilawei | something old? |
| 02:14.03 | PerfDave | cprog: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 02:14.05 | Grievre | cprog: old stable |
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| 02:14.09 | Hydroxide | cprog: woody is now oldstable |
| 02:14.14 | dvs | woody is gone! |
| 02:14.19 | dvs | Doh! |
| 02:14.21 | abrotman | not yet |
| 02:14.32 | dvs | abrotman: Braggart! |
| 02:14.34 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:14.35 | Hydroxide | dvs: still on the servers, actually, and still security-supported. but, no more woody point releases. |
| 02:14.52 | chalenged | !releases |
| 02:14.53 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 02:14.54 | dvs | I have to get these jokes in while I still can |
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| 02:15.01 | chalenged | by date even 8) |
| 02:15.05 | cprog | so stable has finally been updated? thought woody/sarge was released in 2002 or something.. that's why I was looking for the update to sarge |
| 02:15.05 | Hydroxide | dvs: woody security support stops around june 2006, and then it'll probably be moved to the archive |
| 02:15.12 | rixth | Is there a function (apart from unixto jd, a Calendar function) to convert a Unix timestamp to a normal date? |
| 02:15.14 | PerfDave | cprog: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | rixth: programming |
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| 02:15.49 | rixth | Ah, sorry abrotman I got this mixed up with ##php! |
| 02:16.00 | nvz | I misse an enter in there |
| 02:16.19 | cprog | nvz: thumnail of a video? or image? never heard of a thumnail video |
| 02:16.28 | seba | iam trying to mout correcty a MSI pendrive with mp3 player... but Linux tell me that the size of the disk is 10 MB, and the real size is 256... any idea? |
| 02:16.37 | weilawei | cprog, easily enough done in an editor.. |
| 02:16.41 | cprog | nvz: if by thumbnail you mean a low-res copy.. use mencoder |
| 02:16.44 | weilawei | you just resize |
| 02:16.59 | chalenged | cprog normally windows/gnome displayes the first frame as thumbnail....i think he means to assignt your own like say cover art |
| 02:17.06 | weilawei | aaah |
| 02:17.11 | weilawei | try avidemux2 :) |
| 02:17.23 | chalenged | nvz: thats what you mean...you want a custom image for thumbnail |
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| 02:17.53 | nvz | chalenged: no I mean a damn thumbnail.. like windows explorer does.. and nautilus is supposed to do |
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| 02:18.04 | cprog | nvz: for video try mencoder for images try igal |
| 02:18.04 | Grievre | Yay, DRI working, ALSA working |
| 02:18.06 | nvz | cprog: |
| 02:18.09 | weilawei | he means like.. some random frame in the middle downsized |
| 02:18.14 | cprog | oh |
| 02:18.17 | at0m | nautilus does that, so does xfe and pornview |
| 02:18.35 | weilawei | pornview? is this a revolutionary way to view my asciipr0n? |
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| 02:18.46 | nvz | I dont want to make previews.. its suppose to happen automatically. if I wanted to look at each one I wouldnt need previews |
| 02:18.49 | at0m | its an image and video viewer |
| 02:19.03 | weilawei | awwww |
| 02:19.12 | nvz | I got totem-gstreamer and nautilus-media installed, I get previews of text and images, no video or audio |
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| 02:19.20 | sam_ | where can i get asciipr0n |
| 02:19.26 | weilawei | nvz... you know.. why not label them well? |
| 02:19.34 | seba | iam trying to mout correcty a MSI pendrive with mp3 player... but Linux tell me that the size of the disk is 10 MB, and the real size is 256... any idea? |
| 02:19.43 | nvz | weilawei: thats why I need a thumbnailer.. heh |
| 02:19.48 | saskuach | b/c previews are slick? |
| 02:19.49 | weilawei | http://www.spacebarcowboy.com/ascii/a-z/a-z.html |
| 02:20.02 | weilawei | http://www.fleshbot.com/archives/color_ascii_porn_013327.php |
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| 02:20.18 | nvz | my brothers are uploading shit to my server all the time, I want to be able to see in a glance wtf it is |
| 02:20.28 | cprog | lol just downloaded and burned 3.0R7 guess I should have checked the page first |
| 02:20.32 | cprog | the ftp was stale |
| 02:20.33 | nvz | I dont care what the name is or whats actually in it |
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| 02:20.40 | nvz | just want a preview |
| 02:20.43 | PerfDave | seba: It may have multiple partitions? |
| 02:20.55 | Nigel | question: someone setup a virtual server for me, i told him to setup sarge not etch, but he's put testing in apt.sources, any way i can go backwards? |
| 02:21.05 | abrotman | Nigel: no |
| 02:21.10 | weilawei | http://www.ljudmila.org/~vuk/ascii/deep.htm <- full length conversion of Deep Throat to asciipr0n renamed Deep Ascii |
| 02:21.18 | Nigel | dam that guy |
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| 02:21.29 | Nigel | i should make him reinstall debian then :P |
| 02:21.36 | cprog | If you installed via 3.0R7 do you need to "update" to sarge? or just do a apt-get distupgrade? |
| 02:21.39 | dvs | Nigel: That's the only way to get sarge |
| 02:21.47 | seba | PerfDave: good idea... y going to see |
| 02:21.58 | Nigel | hmmm, oh i'll just stick with testing |
| 02:22.28 | nvz | I am upgrading as soon as the GCC and X things cool down.. nothing works for me in sarge :P |
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| 02:22.41 | gravity | nvz: X should cool down in about 24 to 48 hours |
| 02:22.45 | PerfDave | cprog: Read the Sarge manual on how to upgrade to 3.1 from 3.0 |
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| 02:22.48 | dvs | nvz: Why not testing? |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | gravity: the guy in charge told me it would be months |
| 02:22.59 | nvz | gravity: yeah well GCC thing is probably just as bad if not worse I figure |
| 02:23.00 | levander | Anybody know of a simple incremental backup to DVD-RW application? |
| 02:23.05 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
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| 02:23.19 | gravity | abrotman: He's a filthy liar :-p |
| 02:23.24 | gravity | nvz: Definitely |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:23.33 | cprog | levander: cron, mkisofs, cdroast :) |
| 02:23.59 | levander | cprog: i don't think any of those do incremental backups |
| 02:24.06 | seba | PerfDave: fdisk tell me that the disk only have 1 partition and the disk size is 256 MB |
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| 02:24.17 | nvz | I've told my friends about upgrading too.. got to work on testing.. this sarge is crap.. cant have another stable distro like this :P |
| 02:24.33 | Supaplex | which package provides eps ghostscript? just gs? |
| 02:24.45 | cprog | levander: meant you can use cron for the "incremental and timed backups" that call mkisofs to create the image of whatever data you needed backed up and cdroast to do the burning. |
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| 02:25.07 | saskuach | nvz: what's so bad about sarge? |
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| 02:25.55 | nvz | saskuach: lots of things it seems.. doesnt make a very good desktop machine.. I can normally work out of screen, but with the idiots I got on my network I have become dependant on clicky-clicky methods to save some time.. |
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| 02:26.29 | nvz | saskuach: and my friends I installed sarge for are all windows refugees and really need desktop apps which are poor in sarge |
| 02:26.35 | PerfDave | seba: So what tells you that it's only 10Mb? |
| 02:26.37 | saskuach | nvz: I don't understand: you can't work only in terminal anymore? |
| 02:26.49 | nvz | saskuach: there is nasty bugs in both nautilus and konqueror f.e. |
| 02:26.50 | cprog | How many CD's is sarge? 3.0R7 was 6 or 7 |
| 02:26.56 | chalenged | seba: amanda? |
| 02:27.14 | pipeline | cprog: eleven. |
| 02:27.15 | saskuach | nvz: heh, haven't found 'em |
| 02:27.16 | chalenged | seba mistargetted.. |
| 02:27.21 | pipeline | cprog: You only need one, however. |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | pipeline: i thought it was 13 |
| 02:27.32 | cprog | pipeline: nifty will have to grab them tomorrow when I'm at work. |
| 02:27.33 | chalenged | levander: maybe amanda? tar to cdrw.... |
| 02:27.36 | chealer | !dstats sarge |
| 02:27.36 | nvz | saskuach: I could.. but its going to slow me down a lot. like f.e. right now I want to be able to glance at a graphical filemanager and see what movie files my family is putting on my server.. but I cannot. nothing in sarge is letting me do this |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | not that i've even looked |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | chealer: that won't help |
| 02:27.45 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 02:27.47 | cprog | pipeline: I only have dialup now at home :( so can't do live updates |
| 02:27.50 | chealer | I thought 14 or 15 :) |
| 02:27.50 | seba | PerDave: when i mount it the totalsize is 10 MB |
| 02:27.52 | cprog | or net installs |
| 02:28.02 | chealer | (it wouldn't fit on 2 DVDs) |
| 02:28.14 | saskuach | nvz: I see what you mean |
| 02:28.15 | dvs | chealer: Somehow it did! ;-) |
| 02:28.21 | nvz | saskuach: seems nautilus the audio and video preview is broken.. and in konqueror you cannot access removable media of any kind or it will not be able to unmount until you kill kdeinit, fam, konqueror..etc |
| 02:28.35 | dvs | 14 CDs would fit on 2 DVDs but not 15. |
| 02:28.38 | nvz | saskuach: there are lots of quirks that are a big deal to desktop users |
| 02:28.40 | FieldySnuts | that bug is still in kde in debian? |
| 02:28.47 | FieldySnuts | yeesh that was fixed by kde ages ago |
| 02:28.53 | pablum | cd overhead |
| 02:28.53 | nvz | always well be |
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| 02:28.58 | nvz | until KDE 3.4 comes in |
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| 02:29.02 | FieldySnuts | that's quite bad |
| 02:29.04 | saskuach | nvz: that's bat about konqueror, but I don't use it |
| 02:29.11 | pablum | er, cd filesystem... |
| 02:29.20 | nvz | saskuach: me either |
| 02:29.32 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: we had an argument in here about that bug the other night, about how it managed to get into sarge |
| 02:29.43 | Guerin | long story short, someone filed it as a non-rc bug |
| 02:29.45 | saskuach | nvz: I can't stand kde for that matter |
| 02:29.49 | nvz | yeah those kinds of bugs piss me off.. |
| 02:29.54 | cprog | well I'm heading to bed for work... ttyl everyone :) thanks for the help |
| 02:29.59 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: lame. |
| 02:30.20 | nvz | things that slipped through the cracks that are deeply rooted bugs that will exist for the life of the stable distro even after being fixed upstream |
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| 02:30.47 | chealer | nvz: aren't you used to it yet? I think it compares to several other shortcomings |
| 02:30.52 | saskuach | never thought of it that way |
| 02:30.57 | FieldySnuts | that's certainly something that should be backported, glad i'm not a kde user or i'd be very pissed |
| 02:31.03 | nvz | there are too many in sarge.. gives the ID10T something to backup their arguments that debian stable is just old and not stable |
| 02:31.12 | GiRlY21 | there is a program to broke the limit of a wireless nic, i would like to scan a bigger territories |
| 02:31.12 | PerfDave | I'm a KDE user, and it doesn't piss me off :) |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: you never get pissed |
| 02:31.32 | PerfDave | abrotman: I'm a very relaxed person. |
| 02:31.42 | PerfDave | It's annoying, but "sudo umount -f" fixes it |
| 02:31.42 | chealer | abrotman must be right |
| 02:31.43 | FieldySnuts | !irritate PerfDave |
| 02:31.43 | Supaplex | wahou, my canon bjc 6000 works! |
| 02:31.43 | dpkg | PerfDave: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde hello? |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | probably because you use the crayolaOS :) |
| 02:31.52 | FieldySnuts | haha irony |
| 02:32.36 | saskuach | XP = FisherPriceOS |
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| 02:32.56 | abrotman | GiRlY21: which OS ? |
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| 02:33.13 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite non-backported fixes |
| 02:33.15 | dpkg | non-backported fixes: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 02:33.16 | saskuach | colorful buttons and rounded edges work especially well for the little ones |
| 02:33.30 | chealer | nvz: I'm not pretending to learn you this, but debian's stable has a specific meaning. it's more "you won't randomly lose your data"-stable than "bug-free-stable" |
| 02:33.36 | GiRlY21 | abrotman debian or windows no matter |
| 02:33.38 | FieldySnuts | "learn you" heh |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | GiRlY21: might be better to ask #wireless |
| 02:33.52 | chealer | forget it, the KDE bug won't have a fix backported. |
| 02:33.59 | nvz | chealer: am just upset that sarge wasnt very stable compared to potato or woody. It seems like once its stable there isnt really any fixing it. because non-security bugs that are deeply rooted in multiple packages wont ever be fixed. until the next stable release. |
| 02:34.04 | FieldySnuts | if enough end users make enough noise i'm sure it will be |
| 02:34.06 | FieldySnuts | which they should |
| 02:34.07 | abrotman | i thought it was a poor script .. i'm bummed |
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| 02:34.44 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: whoever filed it should have filed it as a rc bug |
| 02:34.49 | Guerin | simple as that |
| 02:35.10 | FieldySnuts | surely someone had to. i hope only one person didn't file it |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | dunno if it's really RC |
| 02:35.12 | nvz | the bug is fixed upstream, the maintainers are busy working on bringing that new upstream in and packaging that. so nobody is going to sit there patching and repackaging old code to get around debian policy to fix bugs like this in stable |
| 02:35.14 | useruser | Guerin: surely the package maintainer should have upgraded it to RC |
| 02:35.14 | Guerin | 'stable' doesn't mean 'no bugs'; it means 'known bugs' |
| 02:35.15 | FieldySnuts | wankers. i guess it's over. |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | doesn't make it unusable .. just bad behaviour |
| 02:35.25 | Guerin | useruser: perhaps so, yeah. |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | damn it |
| 02:35.32 | abrotman | i speak british! |
| 02:35.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:35.52 | Guerin | !britsmite abrotman |
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| 02:36.01 | nvz | I just want to understand better where the shit hits the fan so it wont continue to happen in the releases to come |
| 02:36.01 | Guerin | no yorkies for you! |
| 02:36.01 | FieldySnuts | !yorkshiresmite abrotman |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | !phillysmite fiberin |
| 02:36.14 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | !phillysmite FieldySnuts |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:36.20 | FieldySnuts | ow |
| 02:36.34 | chealer | OMG! they implemented "version-tracking" in the BTS! |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: just be glad you didn't get the river water :) |
| 02:36.41 | chealer | WUHU! |
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| 02:36.42 | dvs | That'll leave a mark. |
| 02:36.46 | Nigel | chealer: they have? |
| 02:36.47 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 02:36.47 | virgomoon | Can anyone perhaps help me figure out why I can't /oper on my shiny new IRC server? |
| 02:37.04 | nvz | chealer: whats version tracking? |
| 02:37.16 | chealer | Nigel: look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=konqueror |
| 02:37.37 | daffy-pkf | how can i force a package to be installed with apt? i installed xorg, but vlc wants xlibmesa-glu, so it don't want to install, even if i thing it will work well with xorg |
| 02:37.39 | PandaKun | yo |
| 02:37.43 | PandaKun | whats debian "service" command? |
| 02:37.47 | PandaKun | like service proftpd start |
| 02:37.50 | PandaKun | what is it for debian? |
| 02:37.51 | chealer | Nigel: you'll see versions in the bug summaries |
| 02:37.56 | nvz | PandaKun: invoke-rc.d |
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| 02:38.10 | saskuach | I'm off to play some wesnoth, thanks to those who helped me make the hole I dug for myself a bit shallower |
| 02:38.11 | Nigel | Package: ipkungfu (0.5.2-3; fixed: ipkungfu 0.5.2-4); Severity: important; Reported by: Sam Couter |
| 02:38.15 | Nigel | wow |
| 02:38.16 | Nigel | nice |
| 02:38.16 | nvz | PandaKun: /etc/init.d/ is where the scripts are, you can run them directly from there /etc/init.d/service start |
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| 02:38.26 | nvz | PandaKun: or use invoke-rc.d |
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| 02:39.00 | nvz | PandaKun: you could even alias that if it makes it easier for you to just use "service" |
| 02:39.04 | chealer | nvz: it's a term I invented to describe that because I didn't remember the real term right now |
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| 02:39.10 | PandaKun | ? |
| 02:39.12 | PandaKun | thank |
| 02:39.20 | PandaKun | isnt there a way to like uhmm |
| 02:39.21 | PandaKun | link it |
| 02:39.25 | bob_ | i have ENVVAR="hello.zip" how do i take the last 4 chars out? |
| 02:39.26 | nvz | chealer: I see. |
| 02:39.35 | PandaKun | sorry about my internet button lol but how do i make service cooperate with /etc/init.d/service start |
| 02:39.38 | PandaKun | *enter |
| 02:39.38 | dvs | PandaKun: update-rc.d |
| 02:40.00 | nvz | bob_: man cut |
| 02:40.02 | PandaKun | what? the |
| 02:40.04 | chealer | how would a 1 year and 43 days old bug tagged normal that didn't get any attention from the maintainers get fixed stable... |
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| 02:40.15 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 02:40.15 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat user looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
| 02:40.25 | PandaKun | updaet-rc.d is the service command? |
| 02:40.28 | chealer | s/stable/in stable |
| 02:40.35 | PandaKun | oohhh thanks. |
| 02:40.58 | chealer | I believe the KDE maintainers were planning to issue a request for help or something like that recently |
| 02:40.59 | dvs | PandaKun: invoke-rc.d will do the stop, start, restart. update-rc.d will install, uninstall it |
| 02:41.15 | PandaKun | update-rc.d -n proftpd start |
| 02:41.16 | PandaKun | dont work |
| 02:41.18 | PandaKun | OH |
| 02:41.34 | bob_ | nvz, hm.. |
| 02:43.15 | sam_ | where can i get asciipr0n |
| 02:43.25 | daffy-pkf | isn't it possible to force a package to be installed with apt? |
| 02:43.33 | PandaKun | yo dvs what was the command to link invoke-rc.d to service? |
| 02:43.56 | dvs | PandaKun: By link you mean add it to the services at startup/shutdown? |
| 02:44.46 | stew | i'm guessing he means ln -s |
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| 02:45.43 | PandaKun | STATUS:> Socket connected. Waiting for welcome message... |
| 02:45.43 | PandaKun | ERROR:> Control connection closed. |
| 02:45.47 | PandaKun | odd my proftpd..is fucked |
| 02:46.13 | nvz | bob_: my regex-fu isnt that great or I could probably just tell you how to do it with sed.. if you are just trying to get the .ext off the end of the filename |
| 02:46.41 | bob_ | nvz, sed is ok with me too.. :-( |
| 02:47.17 | stew | bob_: echo ${ENVAR%.zip} |
| 02:47.19 | nvz | bob_: sed s/^...//, is the same as cut -b 4-, you need the oppisite of this.. heh |
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| 02:47.37 | nvz | bob_: I dont know what char tells it to work from the end of a string instead of the beginning |
| 02:47.50 | bob_ | stew, wow... |
| 02:47.52 | xoz | bob_: ${ENVVAR#.zip} |
| 02:48.13 | useruser | nvz: man bash |
| 02:48.15 | nvz | but how does this work regaurdless of what the last 4 chars are? |
| 02:48.16 | bob_ | it works with % |
| 02:48.32 | stew | xoz: # is for taking off the front |
| 02:48.34 | xoz | bob_: % no # |
| 02:48.36 | chalenged | sam_: asccii porn as in assci images or as in xxx text stories.....see penthouse forums etc.. |
| 02:48.41 | bob_ | yup |
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| 02:48.51 | abrotman | you could have also used awk |
| 02:48.52 | zinx | ascii |
| 02:48.54 | xoz | bob_: stew: yep, i always am confused of this |
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| 02:49.19 | stew | xoz: i have to look at the kbd and see where they sit relative to $ to remember |
| 02:49.36 | nvz | these damn pattern scanners and stream editors are too much for me.. I'd like to learn them.. but its too much to remember and they all vary |
| 02:49.49 | xoz | stew: that's cool. |
| 02:49.56 | useruser | stew: ah, that the logic behind it! having a uk keyboard doesn't help me there... |
| 02:50.08 | ldexter | nvz: you just have to keep using them |
| 02:50.19 | stew | useruser: don't know if that's the logic, but that's how i was told to remember it |
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| 02:50.47 | xoz | stew: make sense. |
| 02:51.28 | stew | %,# are minimal munch, %%,## are maximal munch too btw |
| 02:52.31 | sam_ | your liar chalenged |
| 02:52.38 | sam_ | there is no ascii porn thee |
| 02:52.46 | xoz | what about ls p[1-10].txt ... this does not work. only p[1-9].txt. is it possible to list more than 9 files? |
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| 02:53.14 | xoz | like p[1-100].txt |
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| 02:54.17 | PerfDave | xoz: That's not how square brackets work, they represent sets single characters. |
| 02:54.26 | PerfDave | xoz: You could always use p*.txt |
| 02:54.30 | PerfDave | s/sets/sets of/ |
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| 02:54.54 | xoz | PerfDave: in bash, ls p[1-9].txt or rm p[1-9].txt works as a range |
| 02:55.44 | xoz | PerfDave: it's more flexible |
| 02:56.01 | PerfDave | xoz: No, it doesn't work as a range. It works as a set of single characters. |
| 02:56.18 | fumbalah | how can I change what daemons come on during boot |
| 02:56.20 | PerfDave | xoz: [1-9] is shorthand for [123456789], which matches any of the characters within the set. |
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| 02:56.34 | PerfDave | fumbalah: update-rc.d, or just apt-get remove the ones you don't want. |
| 02:56.44 | fumbalah | PerfDave: thanks :) |
| 02:56.53 | xoz | PerfDave: try it. it works here. |
| 02:57.18 | magyar | is there a client like "shareaza" for debian that allowas running "donkey,gnutella and bt" clients ? |
| 02:57.34 | Grievre | mldonkey |
| 02:57.37 | PerfDave | xoz: Yes, it works for single characters, but not for multiple characters, that's what I'm trying to tell you. |
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| 02:58.29 | xoz | PerfDave: ah. |
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| 02:59.32 | xoz | PerfDave: that explains why mkdir p[1-4] doesn't work as i understood. |
| 03:00.24 | PerfDave | xoz: Yes, for that you'd have to do something like: for i in `seq 1 4`; do mkdir p${i}; done |
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| 03:01.00 | stew | in zsh you could do p<1-4> |
| 03:01.03 | xoz | PerfDave: no really elegant :) |
| 03:01.07 | xoz | *not |
| 03:01.08 | stew | err p<1-100> whatever |
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| 03:01.25 | useruser | PerfDave: or mkdir p{1,2,3,4} |
| 03:02.26 | PerfDave | useruser: Hmm, cute, I'm not familiar with that syntax. |
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| 03:02.38 | xoz | useruser: that's elegant |
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| 03:03.08 | useruser | xoz: sadly i don't see a way to adapt it for larger ranges - mkdir p{$(seq -s, 1 4)} doesn't work |
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| 03:04.03 | xoz | useruser: yep, that's my next question |
| 03:04.15 | Puppowa | hey guys, i did an apt-get upgrade and all my sound devices went away (as did the mouse...) i fixed the mouse using "mknod"? and it is working, but i'm not sure how to recreate the sound devices? |
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| 03:04.22 | useruser | xoz: i guess echo mkdir p\{$(seq -s, 1 4)\} | bash will work |
| 03:04.34 | PerfDave | eval? |
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| 03:04.42 | useruser | that too |
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| 03:04.43 | PerfDave | xoz: You're probably best off asking #bash |
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| 03:05.02 | exobyte | How can I get the status of a dialup connection started with pon? |
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| 03:06.03 | koolmansam375 | hehe i see you guys finally have Xorg |
| 03:06.14 | liable | exobyte: what kind of status? |
| 03:06.19 | PerfDave | xoz: eval mkdir -v `seq -f "p%g" 1 10` |
| 03:06.22 | gravity | Ugh... fucking slashdot |
| 03:06.46 | koolmansam375 | i love slashdot |
| 03:07.03 | exobyte | liable: is it connected? speed? duration? |
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| 03:08.02 | stew | gravity: /ignore -replies *slashdot.org |
| 03:08.13 | xoz | PerfDave: tnx |
| 03:08.14 | kyu | I wish i could settle on either vim or emacs... What do you folks use and (at the risk of starting an editor war) why? |
| 03:08.28 | useruser | kyu: emacs, because i'm lazy |
| 03:08.38 | gravity | stew: Yeah, no kidding |
| 03:08.41 | quittt | editor war? WTF |
| 03:08.44 | PerfDave | kyu: vim, because vi is installed on every system I've ever touched, right back from my SunOS days ;) |
| 03:08.45 | kyu | see i find i have to do more in emacs than in vim |
| 03:08.46 | koolmansam375 | vim is scary |
| 03:08.50 | quittt | isnt there something better to war? |
| 03:08.51 | pipeline | kyu: vim is crap. Use nvi. |
| 03:08.52 | koolmansam375 | i like emacs |
| 03:09.09 | koolmansam375 | nano is really friendly too and easy |
| 03:09.13 | kyu | pipeline: heh i actually use nvi for editing small files on my servers |
| 03:09.13 | pipeline | kyu: vim has as long a startup time as emacs, and none of the features. nvi is a much more straightforward vi derivative |
| 03:09.23 | xoz | PerfDave: no need to use eval |
| 03:09.41 | daffy-pkf | is it possible to make apt believe a package is installed even if it's not? it could allow me to install vlc with xorg... |
| 03:09.45 | kyu | pipeline: perhaps if you don't have a big .emacs or .xemacs/init.el it does, but xemacs takes a while to startup for me because of the size of my init el's |
| 03:09.51 | pipeline | kyu: I also use bvi, for my terminal-mode hex editing needs. |
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| 03:09.58 | quittt | nano is pico |
| 03:10.07 | koolmansam375 | ya |
| 03:10.07 | Pr0ph3t | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.17 | koolmansam375 | but with a different and cooler name imo |
| 03:10.42 | kyu | I've never used nano or pico, i find them almost useless |
| 03:10.48 | litage | any +/- comments on this book?: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596002173 |
| 03:10.52 | kyu | I always remove them form my machines asap ;) |
| 03:11.39 | exobyte | seeing slashdot mentioned reminded me that I haven't looked at /. for a few weeks or porn for a 4 months |
| 03:11.56 | kyu | honestly though pipeline, xemacs takes ALOT longer to startup than vim does here |
| 03:12.06 | gravity | exobyte: At least with porn you get something out of it. |
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| 03:12.11 | gravity | exobyte: Slashdot is just empty |
| 03:12.14 | kyu | And my .emacs is only around 300 lines |
| 03:12.20 | exobyte | gravity: lol. yeah, kinda |
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| 03:12.41 | exobyte | gravity: I've gotten pissed at the little commentary that includes an opinion, too |
| 03:12.43 | koolmansam375 | i read the tidbits |
| 03:12.50 | koolmansam375 | i dont read the comments |
| 03:12.54 | koolmansam375 | those are dumb |
| 03:13.01 | PerfDave | daffy-pkf: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 03:13.41 | PerfDave | /. isn't worth reading. The articles are shit, the comments are worse. |
| 03:13.49 | gravity | I glance at it to get a feel |
| 03:13.59 | gravity | If it wasn't for the RSS feed I wouldn't read it |
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| 03:14.08 | exobyte | I haven't seen cowboyneal on irc for a while |
| 03:14.08 | koolmansam375 | the comments are uber shit |
| 03:14.20 | daffy-pkf | PerfDave, thanks, maybe i'll finally be able to install all that packages that wants xfree86 libs... |
| 03:14.25 | exobyte | they're from gentoo users ;) |
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| 03:14.31 | gravity | God... rsync is so awesome. |
| 03:14.35 | kyu | yeah nearly everyone who posts a comment on /. is full of shit |
| 03:14.36 | gravity | Why did I not use this before? |
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| 03:14.45 | kyu | "Waa waa i'm a big bad /.'er, my opinion is gold waa waa" |
| 03:14.52 | koolmansam375 | i dont use Genpoo |
| 03:14.56 | gravity | Steve Kemp posted some good stuff in the X.Org in sid thread. |
| 03:14.58 | gravity | Steve Kemp++ |
| 03:15.06 | Capilano | hello all ! |
| 03:15.08 | kyu | koolmansam375: Why on earth do you call it that? gentoo is a good distro |
| 03:15.11 | gravity | Of course, he's the one who actually got slashdotted |
| 03:15.26 | koolmansam375 | Gentoo is good hmm? |
| 03:15.26 | Salihu | Hey Capilano ... |
| 03:15.27 | exobyte | kyu: sure it is |
| 03:15.31 | Atula | I got some files with "-" in front of it.... "-Dasdf.html" and I can't delete them because "it" thinks they are options of the command.... how do I delete these files? |
| 03:15.39 | exobyte | kyu: and I'm stright!! |
| 03:15.43 | kyu | Atula: quotes? |
| 03:15.50 | Atula | oh |
| 03:15.54 | jesus-franco | Has anyone here ever used apt-build ? |
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| 03:16.20 | gravity | apt-build looks interesting, but I just build my packages the old fashioned way |
| 03:16.22 | Atula | kyu: didn't work |
| 03:16.24 | kyu | exobyte: Not knowing you i can't really decide if you're being sarcastic or not |
| 03:16.37 | koolmansam375 | Atula, -- -Dasdf.html? |
| 03:16.49 | kyu | hmmm i see |
| 03:16.55 | exobyte | kyu: I guess it would be hard. Even if you knew me it would be |
| 03:16.56 | PerfDave | daffy-pkf: It's not a very sensible thing to do, you're probably best off just waiting. |
| 03:16.59 | koolmansam375 | is Gentoo really that good? |
| 03:17.05 | exobyte | koolmansam375: NOOOOO |
| 03:17.12 | Atula | koolmansam375: I don't understand |
| 03:17.12 | PerfDave | koolmansam375: Do you think #debian is a good place to ask whether Gentoo is good? :) |
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| 03:17.23 | gravity | koolmansam375: People do say good things about it. Never used it myself, but it seems to suit a lot of people's preferences |
| 03:17.24 | kyu | koolmansam375: gentoo is for a dif. purpose than debian, i use it for other things |
| 03:17.30 | kyu | But i like it |
| 03:17.34 | gravity | I've personally given up on the Universal OS bit |
| 03:17.34 | exobyte | PerfDave: hey, let him ask. he knows what channel he's in |
| 03:17.37 | koolmansam375 | kyu says Gentoo is good |
| 03:17.41 | chalenged | Atula i think its something like rm /\~XXXX the \ makes it work some reason |
| 03:17.41 | daffy-pkf | PerfDave, yes i agree, but it might be long... and i need all that packages |
| 03:17.55 | exobyte | now, I honestly like bsd more than linux |
| 03:18.02 | koolmansam375 | kyu, what purpose would that be? |
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| 03:18.14 | jesus-franco | At level 3 optimization the newest xorg is taking more than an hour to compile on my sid box. Is this normal or is my computer horribly slow... |
| 03:18.16 | chalenged | Atula to be honest tho i use MC for most of them....its handy for stuff when your lazy |
| 03:18.26 | kyu | koolmansam375: mainly workstations, although it's not nice running it on anything too slow, which is why my laptop runs debian |
| 03:18.26 | gravity | jesus-franco: Why are you recompiling X.Org? |
| 03:18.29 | Atula | chalenged: what's MC? |
| 03:18.36 | gravity | jesus-franco: That's my job |
| 03:18.36 | kyu | For servers though i'm pretty tight on only using bsd |
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| 03:18.53 | exobyte | kyu: I'll agree with yo uthere |
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| 03:18.56 | jesus-franco | Im recompiling it with althon xp optimizations :) |
| 03:19.00 | koolmansam375 | would a 900mhz p3 be considered "too slow"? |
| 03:19.12 | jesus-franco | and its not for upload its for personal use |
| 03:19.12 | kyu | exobyte: I one had it running on a 500mhz machine over a 56k, worst week of my life heh |
| 03:19.14 | chalenged | Atula: midnight commander nice filemanager for console....shows all those type files etc |
| 03:19.17 | gravity | jesus-franco: Do you see a real speed difference in that? |
| 03:19.30 | chalenged | koolmansam375: thats fine for it |
| 03:19.37 | kyu | exobyte: It works great on my faster computers though, and i'm sure i could have setup distcc to compile everything for me |
| 03:19.38 | jesus-franco | Im not sure its the first time Im doing it. |
| 03:19.46 | exobyte | kyu: I have a 700gb fileserver on a pii 350 |
| 03:19.55 | kyu | Running which os? |
| 03:19.55 | gravity | jesus-franco: Well, I don't know where you got your packages from, but -3 revision will be uploaded shortly |
| 03:20.21 | gravity | jesus-franco: So you'll probably have to do it all over again tomorrow :-) |
| 03:20.31 | exobyte | kyu: freebsd |
| 03:20.32 | jesus-franco | gravity: Im using debian unstable |
| 03:20.47 | gravity | jesus-franco: So -2? |
| 03:20.54 | exobyte | kyu: I like open for routers, but I also like having an integrated router |
| 03:21.03 | kyu | exobyte: FreeBSD was one of the first operating systems i used, actually the first non-win i installed heh. I find it somewhat cluttered at times |
| 03:21.07 | exobyte | kyu: windows for desktop |
| 03:21.16 | chalenged | gravity: having much headaches with it?? seemed to be going in pretty smoothly even though people are leaping at unstable instead of waiting... |
| 03:21.18 | useruser_ | gravity: my laptop's screen went white when I first ran X.org and didn't respond to anything except ctrl-alt-backspace. known issue? this is a trident cyberblade i1 video card |
| 03:21.19 | jesus-franco | gravity: And thanks for the information Ill cancel the compile and wait for tomorrow. |
| 03:21.19 | kyu | NetBSD, have you tried that? It always seems to tidy |
| 03:21.25 | kyu | s/to/so |
| 03:21.33 | peterS | exobyte: wtf? open what? open solaris? openoffice.org? openbsd? open sesame? |
| 03:21.34 | gravity | chalenged: You mean using it? No, not really. Works nicely for me. |
| 03:21.35 | exobyte | kyu: I know what you mean. I just compare bsd kernels to the linux kernel |
| 03:21.41 | exobyte | peterS: openbsd |
| 03:21.42 | kyu | I use OpenBSD for apache mainly |
| 03:21.46 | kyu | NetBSD for everything else |
| 03:21.46 | gravity | useruser_: I don't know, check the BTS please |
| 03:22.11 | kyu | exobyte: I'm suprised you even use linux at all at that rate ;) |
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| 03:22.20 | kyu | the bsd kernels are mmmmmmmmm |
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| 03:22.29 | chalenged | gravity: i moved my etch/unstable box to ubuntu for a play but ill put it in on my other etch boxes in a few days unless theres more changes to come 8) |
| 03:22.36 | kevogod | Fanboy! |
| 03:22.40 | kevogod | j/k |
| 03:22.43 | chalenged | gravity: the other libs etc should be caught up by then |
| 03:22.51 | gravity | chalenged: -3 should be the last one for at least a week and a half |
| 03:22.53 | exobyte | kyu: I don't use it all the often, but I pay with it on consumer (netger, linksys, etc) routers |
| 03:22.56 | gravity | If all goes well |
| 03:23.07 | gravity | chalenged: I want it to migrate in to testing before another upload is made |
| 03:23.12 | gravity | chalenged: So you've got somet ime |
| 03:23.22 | chalenged | gravity: cool well ill check back here before i look at them so im sure ill find out if you have more hehe |
| 03:23.23 | useruser_ | gravity: #318271 by the looks of things... |
| 03:23.28 | kyu | exobyte: I don't really need to do that in my line of work |
| 03:23.30 | kyu | heh |
| 03:23.39 | gravity | useruser_: Ok, thanks. Let me have a look. |
| 03:23.41 | exobyte | kyu: that's because you have a job |
| 03:23.45 | exobyte | kyu: I don't |
| 03:23.51 | kyu | Well actually no, i'm still training |
| 03:23.59 | kyu | I get paid a little for expenses though |
| 03:24.01 | chalenged | gravity: good work by the way: i thought it may have taken longer to be honest 8) |
| 03:24.07 | gravity | chalenged: Well, X.Org will be a consitently moving target. I'm managing things differently than Branden did, so I want frequent uploads if possible. |
| 03:24.22 | exobyte | kyu: that beats my last summer of freedom |
| 03:24.30 | kyu | Ok, decided, emacs dies. |
| 03:24.35 | gravity | chalenged: Thank you. We had a boost from the Ubuntu work, and I got a lot of help from a bunch of people. |
| 03:24.37 | kyu | I missed you vim baby |
| 03:24.55 | kyu | Actually there was only one reason i used emacs over vim |
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| 03:25.14 | peterS | why, because it's rmsware? |
| 03:25.20 | exobyte | kyu: I teach freshman engineers vi and c for a job |
| 03:25.27 | kyu | Which was so simple: The ability to have a shell inside a buffer/split window in the same process. |
| 03:25.30 | gravity | useruser_: Ah! That bug! I thought so. That bug affects a lot of video cards, which is why I didn't recognize it. That'll be fixed in the next upload which is happening now. |
| 03:25.32 | kyu | peterS: s/emacs/xemacs :) |
| 03:25.44 | peterS | kyu: well, ok, ben wing ware |
| 03:25.57 | kyu | peterS: And the problem there is? |
| 03:26.05 | chalenged | gravity: it's great to see theres a multitude of people assisting you, Ubuntu should help with most initial changes but then once debian starts to rework it im sure itll be as good if not significantly better than ubuntu's versions 8) |
| 03:26.06 | gravity | useruser_: So check in the -3 revision when it hits your mirror. It should fix your problem. It's an issue with gcc4 and a single variable in a single file in the X Server, so it wasn't caught so fast :-) |
| 03:26.08 | peterS | kyu: no problem. I use xemacs myself |
| 03:26.20 | kyu | At least he's not a pot smoking hippy (otherwise known as jesus to some people) |
| 03:26.23 | useruser_ | gravity: cool. thanks |
| 03:26.26 | gravity | chalenged: I want Debian's and Ubuntu's versions to be as close as possible. I want to work *with* them, not against them |
| 03:26.27 | zite | so I went through the tutorial on how to setup my nvidia card, edited the X config file and I can get into kde / gnome, but it won't let me go to a higher resolution then 800x600 |
| 03:26.28 | kyu | heh. "oops" ;) |
| 03:26.36 | gravity | useruser_: You're welcome |
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| 03:27.14 | gravity | chalenged: I've been working closely with Ubuntu's X maintainer, who's also a Debian Developer, to make that happen. It's on track, but it'll take a few more months to get all the way there. |
| 03:27.22 | gravity | But that's the plan any way |
| 03:27.49 | mngrif | i knew i should've waited at least until the end of the month to upgrade to xorg |
| 03:27.57 | chalenged | gravity: my only bitch about ubuntu's versions are the fact everything clashes with versions from sarge/etch. I understand some things being different but i would have expected ubuntu to have higher version numbers on all the bits.....etch actually had a heap higher then ubuntu from appearances.. |
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| 03:28.13 | gravity | chalenged: I didn't know that. |
| 03:28.23 | gravity | mngrif: What's wrong? Other broken packages? |
| 03:28.36 | useruser_ | chalenged: why is that a problem? (a genuine enqury) |
| 03:29.02 | xoz | chalenged: maybe because version alone won't imply compatibility? |
| 03:29.21 | gravity | I'd imagine that's part of what Ian Murdock is upset with Ubuntu about |
| 03:29.45 | koolmansam375 | and that Ubuntu is better than Debian? |
| 03:29.52 | useruser_ | are debian and ubuntu supposed to be even slightly compatible? |
| 03:29.56 | chalenged | gravity: i move etch to ubuntu via apt only.. its not too hard but alot of things needed to be uninstalled so that ubuntu could use it's versions of the files.....i noticed the etch numbers were higher than ubuntu's taged ones.... |
| 03:30.03 | gravity | And it's part of why I'm doing what I'm doing with X.Org. We need to work to pull patches and help meet halfway. Obviously Ubuntu is providing something people want, so Debian needs to take from that. |
| 03:30.19 | peterS | useruser_: it's impossible to keep them in sync since the ubunts release twice a year and Debian ... doesn't |
| 03:30.41 | useruser_ | peterS: right. so i don't see why the version numbering is a problem |
| 03:30.50 | gravity | chalenged: Etch should be higher than hoary now that I think about it. Probably lower than the breezy patches though. |
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| 03:30.55 | xoz | wake-up call to debian |
| 03:30.57 | peterS | useruser_: given the limitations of completely different release cycles, the ubunts try to keep *reasonable* compatibility, where it doesn't interfere with their development too much |
| 03:30.59 | gravity | Although I don't recommend using breezy for much of anything yet, as far as I know it |
| 03:31.08 | gravity | xoz: Pretty much |
| 03:31.11 | peterS | useruser_: Debian developers often try as well, but they know it's a losing battle so I think some might just give up |
| 03:31.28 | useruser_ | peterS: for what purpose? so that ubuntu users can (try to) use debian packages? |
| 03:31.31 | gravity | True compatibility isn't really a goal |
| 03:31.32 | chalenged | gravity: oh yeah hoary is classed as a stable isnt it? would explain it 8) |
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| 03:31.49 | chalenged | i was just a bit surprised hehe |
| 03:31.51 | gravity | chalenged: Yeah. They froze that a while ago, and packages from unstable have propagated to etch since sarge released |
| 03:32.15 | peterS | useruser_: Ubuntu derives a huge amount of work from Debian. the further they diverge, the more work they create for themselves |
| 03:32.20 | chalenged | gravity: hehe im so used to having testing im forget they dont update stables hehe |
| 03:32.39 | gravity | chalenged: Yeah, they don't have such a thing as testing, afaik |
| 03:32.42 | gravity | I should ask them |
| 03:32.45 | mngrif | gravity: i'll let you know if i have issues after this dist-upgrade... GL issues (then again, i run a voodoo card, when *don't* i have GL issues?!) |
| 03:32.51 | chalenged | xoz: there wiki is pretty effective also.... |
| 03:32.52 | peterS | gravity: nah, they just freeze |
| 03:32.58 | useruser_ | peterS: i see. divergent version numbering creates headaches for ubuntu devs, but not users |
| 03:33.04 | gravity | mngrif: GL issues like library conflicts? Or GL issues like corruption/crashing/etc? |
| 03:33.11 | gravity | peterS: Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 03:33.14 | xoz | chalenged: i think they are using plont |
| 03:33.17 | xoz | *plone |
| 03:33.36 | mngrif | gravity: lack of libraries, apparently. unresolved symbols and whatnot. |
| 03:33.36 | peterS | useruser_: well, if they completely fork a package, then *they* have to maintain it. if they only keep small changes from the corresponding debian package, they get to take advantage of the Debian maintainer's work on it |
| 03:33.37 | gravity | xoz: It's more that people actually use the wiki I think |
| 03:33.42 | gravity | xoz: I would love to see more people use Debian's |
| 03:33.43 | peterS | useruser_: for some things this can be really significant |
| 03:33.49 | chalenged | xoz: one thing i do like is they tie their Bot responses to wiki pages |
| 03:33.58 | gravity | mngrif: Hrmpf. Yeah, try the versions that'll be out tomorrow. That might help. -3. |
| 03:34.39 | gravity | It's sad that very few people are motivated to work on the wiki |
| 03:34.41 | mngrif | gravity: oh i'm not worried about it, xinerama disables all GL stuffs anyway, and i really don't feel like running as root to play a game |
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| 03:35.01 | gravity | mngrif: Ok |
| 03:35.03 | peterS | I wonder if mwilson enjoyed his short stay |
| 03:35.19 | gravity | peterS: I doubt it. He didn't get to lambast anyone |
| 03:35.25 | peterS | true |
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| 03:36.00 | koolmansam375 | gcc4 what? |
| 03:36.06 | xoz | chalenged: they really have a every good infrastructure... elegant design. i wish the idea of ian will be heard by debian-based distro. one-for-all, all-for-one. |
| 03:36.09 | koolmansam375 | 4.0.0 is unstable |
| 03:36.17 | koolmansam375 | 4.0.1 is usable |
| 03:36.26 | gravity | mngrif: I understand that Alan Cox wrote a whole new set of GL driver code for the voodoo in X.Org, so maybe it'll work well for you once it gets resolved |
| 03:36.31 | peterS | koolmansam375: aw, what's a "n" and a "t" between friends? |
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| 03:36.58 | mngrif | gravity: oh god I would love to have GL working on dual heads.. it would make things so much easier |
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| 03:37.11 | gravity | mngrif: Hopefully that'll work out for you at some point soon then |
| 03:37.19 | chalenged | gravity: any ideas on nvidia drivers for xorg? im on 766X for it and np but do the earlier versions work too or is it 766X only? |
| 03:37.30 | mngrif | i'm tempted to learn C just so i can hack on the voodoo 5 SLI stuffs, i hate having a GPU not being used :\ |
| 03:37.31 | peterS | mngrif: buy a graphics card that supports this natively without the X server really being involved. unfortunately, those tend to rely on proprietary drivers |
| 03:37.44 | gravity | chalenged: What do you mean 'ideas'? |
| 03:37.45 | peterS | mngrif: like the 3DLabs cards |
| 03:38.01 | daffy-pkf | in order to use xorg, is it better to be in testing and mix some things with sid, or beeing completely in sid? |
| 03:38.03 | mngrif | peterS: feel free to donate :) i'm running on mostly donated hardware here |
| 03:38.06 | mwilson | gravity: He thinks you know something nVidia doesn't. |
| 03:38.28 | chalenged | annoying thing is we have code for voodoos but not for nvidias......some of ot is shared...ore was originally hehe |
| 03:38.33 | gravity | daffy-pkf: Just wait another day or so |
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| 03:38.40 | gravity | daffy-pkf: Then it won't break quite so much stuff |
| 03:38.50 | mngrif | right now koffice is breaking gaim |
| 03:38.56 | mngrif | which, ah, kinda pisses me off |
| 03:38.56 | mwilson | gravity: Oh, you're doing a -3 already? |
| 03:39.04 | mwilson | mngrif: Highly unlikely. |
| 03:39.05 | daffy-pkf | gravity, just some days? are you sure? |
| 03:39.07 | gravity | mwilson: Yes. MANIFEST fixes and gcc4 backout |
| 03:39.16 | gravity | daffy-pkf: Yes, I'm pretty sure |
| 03:39.35 | chalenged | gravity: as in have to tried a 711X with it....all my boxes are nvidia the only xorg one i have atm is my experiment box which is 766x...should i expect issues with 711X on my other boxes? |
| 03:39.38 | gravity | About as sure as anyone |
| 03:39.40 | mwilson | gravity: "gcc4 backout"? Oh, you mean the GLU thing? |
| 03:39.45 | gravity | chalenged: I have no idea |
| 03:39.47 | gravity | mwilson: Yes |
| 03:39.52 | daffy-pkf | gravity, hmmm, ok, i'll wait |
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| 03:40.13 | chalenged | gravity : cool experiments to be had |
| 03:40.23 | mwilson | gravity: Ah. Damn, at this rate it'll have to be like -6 before normal people can use it. |
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| 03:40.37 | Guerin | bah, it's unstable |
| 03:40.42 | gravity | mwilson: I hope not, but I'm much more of the "release early, release often" mindset than Branden is |
| 03:40.58 | gravity | mwilson: As it is, plenty of people are using it happily, me included |
| 03:41.01 | mngrif | chalenged: that's what you think until you wake up with a hangover, keyprints on your face, and suffice it to say, a nonfucntional computer :P |
| 03:41.08 | mwilson | Guerin: Tell the stupids that one. |
| 03:41.15 | Guerin | mwilson: i do. |
| 03:41.22 | Guerin | yeah, I've got it on four boxen without issues ... including a kde box. |
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| 03:41.48 | gravity | Anyway, after tomorrow the X.Org transition will be minimal, and once KDE gets a re-upload things will progress nicely |
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| 03:42.06 | mngrif | (might as well..) so, how can i help out with the xorg transition? |
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| 03:42.38 | mwilson | gravity: Re-upload? I thought people were whining about the unofficial packages on alioth, not official ones? |
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| 03:42.53 | simonrvn | ah, cool. then xbase-clients can get upgraded hopefully |
| 03:42.57 | gravity | mngrif: Well, for X.Org not a ton right now. If you're interested in helping out with maintaining it for Debian, there's plenty of good things that need doing, including preparing for the next release so we can get it in to Debian soon after X.Org upstream releases it |
| 03:43.34 | mngrif | gravity: gimme linkage when i get back into X, i got a night of nothing ahead of me anyway |
| 03:43.38 | gravity | mwilson: Yeah, I heard about that too, but there's also that kdelibs conflicts with things like gaim due to the aspell transition. I think when that gets sorted out, unstable will be in better shape |
| 03:43.50 | gravity | mngrif: Cool |
| 03:43.57 | mngrif | gravity: that's what i'm experiencing |
| 03:44.26 | gravity | mngrif: Yeah, I'm hoping with X.Org unblocked, the KDE guys will feel free to move ahead |
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| 03:44.30 | mwilson | mngrif: So, basically, you broke your box by not paying attention when upgrading packages? |
| 03:44.31 | mngrif | btw, how do you get aptitude to forget it's "what to install, upgrade, and remove" statuses? |
| 03:44.44 | mngrif | mwilson: nah, i knew i was breaking gaim |
| 03:44.48 | mwilson | mngrif: Don't use it? |
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| 03:44.55 | mngrif | har. |
| 03:45.25 | secher | Well, is there an upgrade path from XFree to X.org for sid yet? |
| 03:45.31 | Grievre | TO AVOID BREAKING GAIM AND VLC: put gaim-data and wxvlc on hold before you do an upgrade |
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| 03:45.37 | mwilson | mngrif: Seems a simple enough solution... aptitude will someday be usable, if the bugs eve get addressed, but that time is not now. |
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| 03:45.53 | mngrif | example: you tell aptitude to install someprogram, then quit aptitude. when you restart, someprogram is still selected to be installed. i want to remove that seletected status en mass |
| 03:46.04 | Guerin | aptitude is usable now, if you don't mix it with apt-get |
| 03:46.14 | PandaKun | aite petic |
| 03:46.17 | PandaKun | oops |
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| 03:46.24 | secher | Does anyone know when X.org will be in unstable? Or is it already there? |
| 03:46.31 | mngrif | Grievre: i REALLY wish you would've told me that 20 minutes ago |
| 03:46.31 | Guerin | secher: topic |
| 03:46.31 | mwilson | Guerin: If you don't mix it with anything that actually follows standards, you mean. |
| 03:46.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:46.46 | mngrif | secher: /topic |
| 03:46.51 | Guerin | mwilson: which standards are those? |
| 03:47.05 | mwilson | And apparently people still haven't bothered to learn how to read. |
| 03:47.10 | simonrvn | secher: didn't you read the convo for the last half hour or so? |
| 03:47.22 | Grievre | mngrif: grab your latest version vlc and gaim packages out of /var/cache/apt/archive, and the wxvlc and gaim-data packages with matching version numbers |
| 03:47.24 | mngrif | mwilson: and they never will |
| 03:47.27 | Grievre | mngrif: and dpkg -i all of them |
| 03:47.30 | mwilson | Otherwise the whole universe would know by now that xorg is in unstable. |
| 03:47.33 | peterS | And apparently people still haven't bothered to acquire any social graces. |
| 03:47.36 | secher | Guerin: Thanks, I must have missed the topic when I logged in. |
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| 03:47.42 | Guerin | particularly since it was on /. |
| 03:47.43 | Grievre | that's how I fixed it |
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| 03:47.55 | mngrif | Grievre: thanks for the tip... do you have the packages still? |
| 03:48.00 | mwilson | secher: You mean you didn't bother to read it. Do you ever? |
| 03:48.01 | Grievre | mngrif: you should |
| 03:48.05 | Grievre | mngrif: but yeah I do. i386? |
| 03:48.10 | Guerin | mngrif: s.d.n |
| 03:48.23 | secher | mwilson: I always do, thanks. |
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| 03:48.51 | secher | mwilson: rather, 75% of the time anyway. |
| 03:48.53 | mwilson | Guerin: As long as aptitude ignores what dpkg does, it is not following standards. 'Nuff said. |
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| 03:49.10 | peterS | "following standards", that's funny |
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| 03:49.25 | Guerin | mwilson: i see. |
| 03:49.26 | Grievre | mngrif: I have really old versions |
| 03:49.30 | mngrif | Grievre: i have 1.3.0 in the cache |
| 03:49.41 | gravity_ | God... rsync is so very cool |
| 03:49.44 | mngrif | Guerin: ? |
| 03:50.02 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 03:50.02 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
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| 03:50.09 | xoz | irrsi should show the topic upon login after the names, not before |
| 03:50.09 | Grievre | mngrif: take the latest versions of the "gaim" and "vlc" packages, and then the "gaim-data" and "wxvlc" packages that have the same version numbers |
| 03:50.14 | mngrif | Guerin: ah, thankyou |
| 03:50.36 | mwilson | Wow... I didn't know that s.d.n had had a HD failure. |
| 03:50.43 | mngrif | xoz: i've been complaining about that for years |
| 03:50.45 | Guerin | xoz: it's trivial to configure irssi to show the topic on connect |
| 03:50.59 | chealer | gravity: but is dfsg.1-3 out already? I'm asking because of http://people.debian.org/~igloo/status.php?email=&packages=xorg-x11&arches= |
| 03:51.07 | gravity_ | chealer: No, not yet |
| 03:51.20 | gravity_ | chealer: That's something that was done because the m68k buildd was having problems |
| 03:51.31 | gravity_ | chealer: I was given the go-ahead to upload a -3 |
| 03:51.36 | xoz | *checks |
| 03:51.43 | Grievre | xoz: It's the IRC server that sends them in that order |
| 03:51.50 | Grievre | xoz: just type /topic #channel after you join |
| 03:51.54 | mngrif | gravity_: xlibmesa-gl is being updated with dist-upgrade, it should fix the symbols issues |
| 03:51.59 | Grievre | or make a script that replaces /join with something that does /join, /topic |
| 03:52.04 | gravity_ | mngrif: Cool |
| 03:52.29 | chealer | gravity: you need a "go-ahead" for that? :) thanks for clarifying about ~igloo |
| 03:52.39 | simonrvn | most clients display the topic after they join. xchat in the bar at the top, irssi, in the window |
| 03:52.39 | Grievre | IF STUFF IS BREAKING FROM GL CONFLICTS: create a dummy libglu1-xorg package, and then install xlibmesa-glu |
| 03:53.06 | gravity_ | chealer: I'm trying to coordinate as carefully as possible with the release team and the buildd maintainers so as to keep things as smooth as possible. I want to make sure X.Org does not block the release in any way. |
| 03:53.07 | useruser_ | simonrvn: sadly only the first part of the topic is visible in irssi usually |
| 03:53.24 | mwilson | Grievre: As opposed to simply waiting, instead of deliberately installing broken packages? |
| 03:53.25 | gravity_ | Grievre: That'll be fixed tomorrow |
| 03:53.27 | simonrvn | uh, not when you first join... |
| 03:53.42 | useruser | simonrvn: true |
| 03:53.58 | Grievre | well I'm undoing that tomorrow |
| 03:53.59 | mwilson | Release? The release of Etch is at *least* two years away... |
| 03:54.00 | Grievre | :3 |
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| 03:54.09 | chealer | gravity_: yeah, I understand that it's a "critical" time to upload X.org |
| 03:54.13 | gravity_ | mwilson: There's a release schedule and I don't want to fuck it up |
| 03:54.27 | chealer | Release or toolchain transition, anyway :) |
| 03:54.27 | gravity_ | mwilson: I'm going to make sure that I do my part to not repeat the sarge release process |
| 03:54.32 | useruser | mwilson: is that official? |
| 03:54.36 | mngrif | gravity_: you don't hear those words often |
| 03:54.41 | mwilson | For *Etch*!? Surely you jest. |
| 03:54.48 | gravity_ | mngrif: I think a lot of us are thinking it |
| 03:54.50 | gravity_ | mwilson: I do not. |
| 03:54.52 | mwilson | useruser: Is what official? |
| 03:54.59 | useruser | mwilson: etch >= 2 yrs |
| 03:55.03 | gravity_ | useruser: No |
| 03:55.07 | gravity_ | Quite the opposite, iirc |
| 03:55.31 | mwilson | useruser: How should I know? But based on previous history, it's at least an even-money proposition. |
| 03:56.00 | Guerin | bah, i have 99% used on my ~50G /home partition, but when I manually add up dir and file sizes, i get ~13G |
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| 03:56.14 | gravity_ | useruser: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/06/msg00241.html |
| 03:56.25 | useruser | mwilson: whether an announcement has been made saying "we won't release etch for at least two years" or not is better than even-money, i reckon |
| 03:56.32 | mngrif | Guerin: sparse files? |
| 03:56.34 | secher | http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/06/msg00241. |
| 03:56.37 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.37 | secher | http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/06/msg00241. |
| 03:56.37 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.40 | PerfDave | Guerin: Dark matter! |
| 03:56.47 | mngrif | ! |
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| 03:57.28 | Guerin | mngrif: dunno. How to check? |
| 03:57.43 | nse | Hello everybody, this is the my video device: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] I'm using the official savage x driver. My box is freezing all the time that a run a Gears screensaver, Is this any bug in the driver? What can i do to go round this. My FPS is *very* low (10) and I'm sure my device can do more tan this. What to do about the freeze and about the FPS ? |
| 03:58.01 | Guerin | PerfDave: Hi, I'd like to change all this dark matter for light matter. Can I do this here or must I go to another office? |
| 03:58.08 | mngrif | Guerin: dunno. |
| 03:58.15 | Guerin | s |
| 03:58.30 | mngrif | nse: run glxinfo and see if direct rendering is enabled, it's near the top of the output |
| 03:59.01 | Guerin | oh, woah |
| 03:59.04 | Guerin | 30694636 ./.xsession-errors |
| 03:59.10 | mngrif | lol |
| 03:59.10 | Guerin | W...T...F |
| 03:59.23 | mngrif | that's amazing |
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| 03:59.27 | PerfDave | Guerin: You need to fill in a matter transferal form and get it signed by your line manager |
| 03:59.29 | Guerin | that's outrageous |
| 03:59.32 | xoz | Guerin: yep. that's the culprit |
| 03:59.35 | mngrif | when was the last time you wiped your home dir? |
| 03:59.40 | weilawei | "thats like going to utah and preaching abortion rights" |
| 04:00.03 | Guerin | mngrif: about 12 months ago |
| 04:00.06 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 04:00.10 | Guerin | no about 18, |
| 04:00.13 | nse | mngrif: no, it is not. any problem? |
| 04:00.13 | Overand | and blam, irssi date |
| 04:00.14 | mngrif | .. still. |
| 04:00.23 | simonrvn | Guerin: you need to go over to the dark matter office for a request to convert dark matter to loight matter form, number 237987232. then you need to go over to the dark to light matter conversion office, and submit the form there, where processing will take 6-8 weeks. then you'll get a form to fill out and hand in to the light matter office, for your light matter output request |
| 04:00.24 | Guerin | yeah, that shit shouldn't happen |
| 04:00.26 | mngrif | nse: huge problem, it's required for GL |
| 04:00.30 | weilawei | comment on redhat l(user)s coming into #debian |
| 04:00.35 | mwilson | Guerin: Haven't restarted X recently? |
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| 04:00.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: I pick PerfDave's option |
| 04:00.54 | Guerin | mwilson: yeah, only a few days ago |
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| 04:01.03 | simonrvn | Guerin: this is not an ooption |
| 04:01.10 | Guerin | simonrvn: but .. but.. |
| 04:01.17 | simonrvn | get in line |
| 04:01.19 | weilawei | how do i count lines in a file? |
| 04:01.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 04:01.24 | mngrif | weilawei: man wc |
| 04:01.38 | mwilson | Guerin: So all of that is from the last few days? Whaat've you been doing, running Gnome applications? |
| 04:01.42 | useruser | weilawei: wc -l |
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| 04:01.57 | weilawei | useruser, thx.. im curious as to how many xsession errors i have |
| 04:02.03 | mngrif | is there reason my !'s look like :'s? |
| 04:02.12 | Guerin | mwilson: nope. this size issue has been present for ages. Is .xsession-errors supposed to only log one x session, not append? |
| 04:02.15 | useruser | mngrif: squint harder |
| 04:02.22 | Guerin | I have noclobber set, so perhaps that's the problem |
| 04:02.24 | mngrif | useruser: har. it's an issue with the console font |
| 04:02.25 | weilawei | alabaster@archeron:~$ wc -l .xsession-errors |
| 04:02.25 | weilawei | 1794 .xsession-errors |
| 04:02.25 | weilawei | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.40 | peterS | weilawei: grep -c . .xsession-errors |
| 04:02.46 | peterS | weilawei: ^^^ count only non-blank lines |
| 04:02.49 | nse | mngrif: you're meaning that i have a device that do not have support in linux or that i need to search for better drivers? |
| 04:02.54 | xoz | xsession-error seems to append it |
| 04:02.56 | weilawei | peterS, slick |
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| 04:03.02 | mwilson | I thought Branden had modified things so that it got recreated on each restart. Maybe I'm mistaken. I remember there was a bug filed. |
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| 04:03.12 | mngrif | nse: no clue, i've never dealt with one of those cards. google is your best friend on this one |
| 04:03.16 | weilawei | alabaster@archeron:~$ grep -c . .xsession-errors |
| 04:03.16 | weilawei | 988 |
| 04:03.48 | simonrvn | mwilson: yes, it does. works each time too |
| 04:04.16 | Guerin | but if I have noclobber set, it'd append, I guess |
| 04:04.18 | simonrvn | ok, i need to work on my michif pages and sound files |
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| 04:04.22 | Robert__ | hi |
| 04:04.34 | useruser | apt-cache show has just started showing Tags. what can i do with them? |
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| 04:05.35 | peterS | useruser: I don't think the UIs have caught up with using tags yet. not sure though |
| 04:05.55 | weilawei | peterS, i thought there was support in synaptic for it somewhere.. i heard there was. have yet to find it though |
| 04:06.07 | peterS | weilawei: oh, possible. I don't follow synaptic at all |
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| 04:06.32 | weilawei | peterS, yeah i'm not sure where though because i do use it.. |
| 04:06.34 | kamaraju | Does anyone know how much stuff is currently there in wiki.debian.net? Just a rough figure say in Gb? How many pages? Just a ballpark number would be fine. If I were to figure out this on my own, how do I go about it? |
| 04:06.35 | nse | mngrif: i have googled a lot these days. the end is always to install a third part driver for savage. if my driver were the one for my device I wouldn't have problem, right? |
| 04:06.54 | weilawei | kamaraju, aLotGb |
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| 04:07.17 | mwilson | kamaraju: Make sure you change all the attributions before you republish it. |
| 04:07.32 | kamaraju | weilawei: aLotGb is not a number |
| 04:07.40 | Robert__ | what is debian? |
| 04:07.47 | peterS | kamaraju: no, NaN is much greater than aLotGb |
| 04:07.56 | gravity_ | Robert__: Google is your friend |
| 04:08.01 | useruser | peterS: i disagree |
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| 04:08.25 | weilawei | NaN != aLotGb |
| 04:08.37 | weilawei | NaN !=== aLotGb |
| 04:08.42 | peterS | how many GB should they "alot" for it, then? |
| 04:08.42 | Guerin | ooh, debtags? |
| 04:08.48 | Robert__ | lol @ gravity |
| 04:08.52 | Guerin | !peterS++ |
| 04:08.57 | peterS | thanks, Guerin |
| 04:09.06 | chealer | weilawei: debtags support in synaptic was only experimental and is discontinued |
| 04:09.12 | weilawei | chealer, aww :( |
| 04:09.12 | Guerin | peterS: i get an almost-controllable urge to kill whenever i see that |
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| 04:09.33 | Robert__ | is it another op sys? |
| 04:09.35 | peterS | Guerin: heh. agreed - alot is a verb, not an adjective |
| 04:09.38 | Guerin | and saying things like 'bluediculous' |
| 04:09.40 | chealer | weilawei: yeah...debtags would be a nice improvement |
| 04:09.40 | weilawei | peterS, a number determined by a mersenne twister |
| 04:09.52 | weilawei | and it's "allot" |
| 04:09.57 | peterS | oh, is it? |
| 04:09.59 | weilawei | yeah |
| 04:10.02 | Guerin | yeah, it is allot |
| 04:10.06 | peterS | I am short on sleep but that's no excuse |
| 04:10.07 | kamaraju | Robert__: Yes. It is an operating system |
| 04:10.12 | peterS | I should know these things |
| 04:10.13 | mngrif | no, alot is a hellafuckalotta |
| 04:10.22 | mwilson | "tags" being...? I've not allowed the new apt to install on any box I control. |
| 04:10.59 | Guerin | ok, do now, why is df not showing this newly-freed 30G of space? |
| 04:10.59 | peterS | mwilson: keywords for binary packages, basically. it's free-form, though they have some ones you're supposed to use if they apply |
| 04:11.09 | peterS | mwilson: a better way to categorize packages than the rigid 'Section' system |
| 04:11.10 | weilawei | mwilson, tags are.. well think of basic categorization. you might say a piece of software is "unix" and "python" and "desktop" |
| 04:11.14 | weilawei | those are sorts of tags.. |
| 04:11.22 | weilawei | tags are basically labels you assing to something |
| 04:11.27 | weilawei | and you can assing more than one usually |
| 04:11.33 | Robert__ | wow debian is nothing compared to xp reloaded |
| 04:11.34 | Robert__ | lol |
| 04:11.38 | peterS | mwilson: the UIs have not quite caught up - people have been quietly adding Tags: to their packages for awhile but nobody is really using them for anything yet |
| 04:11.46 | weilawei | freshmeat uses tagging |
| 04:11.54 | mngrif | ahh, fresh meat |
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| 04:12.00 | peterS | Robert__: correct. XP Reloaded costs like $200, Debian costs like $0. I'd say that's "nothing compared to", indeed |
| 04:12.20 | mwilson | So it's just another field to ignore. I can do that. |
| 04:12.23 | mngrif | peterS: $0+headache.. not quite nothing :) |
| 04:12.23 | peterS | Robert__: also, XP needs to be Reloaded every so often, Debian generally doesn't |
| 04:12.47 | weilawei | peterS, how are tags expected to integrate? because if it's merely a matter of searching for packages, then it should be pretty hackable... |
| 04:12.53 | Guerin | mngrif: oh, and XP is $200+permanent headache |
| 04:13.01 | ercin | :)) |
| 04:13.09 | Oompa | Hm this is odd. I can ping servers and websites in debian but I can't seem to do apt-get dist-upgrade.. it times out |
| 04:13.24 | Guerin | Oompa: choose another mirror |
| 04:13.33 | peterS | weilawei: well, the idea is that tags are a replacement for the section a package is in. many packages should be in multiple sections |
| 04:13.40 | Oompa | Guerin: How? I am kinda a newbie to linux |
| 04:13.40 | mwilson | Oompa: Why is that odd? Are yo uactually pointing to a valid, active, mirror? |
| 04:13.45 | Guerin | Oompa: apt-setup |
| 04:13.51 | peterS | weilawei: a UI would ideally let you filter on a tag - show only packages that include that tag |
| 04:14.18 | peterS | weilawei: use your imagination - but basically it's to narrow down your package list without having to resort to a free-form search through package descriptions or whatnot |
| 04:14.22 | xoz | stormpkg had a nice filter |
| 04:14.24 | mngrif | Guerin: true... i feel so lost on an xp box |
| 04:14.27 | weilawei | peterS, is there a spec somewhere for the deb format that includes tags? |
| 04:14.38 | mwilson | peterS: And just think... with no stadard as to contents, we can have even MORE confusion! |
| 04:14.40 | weilawei | i could probably hack up a simple python app to do that and use apt-get as a backend in a day or two |
| 04:14.54 | xoz | tags are like metadata |
| 04:15.05 | mngrif | weilawei: lemme know when you do :) |
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| 04:15.23 | weilawei | i'd be perfectly willing since i've been maintaining one simple python program to remind me not to goof off and i need extra projects |
| 04:15.37 | weilawei | i can spend *all* tomorrow hacking that |
| 04:15.37 | peterS | mwilson: I think they're trying to standardize, for the obvious reasons. I don't know that much about how the implementation is going. the powers that be might even be tracking deviant package tags and squashing them as they come up |
| 04:15.45 | weilawei | and large parts of tuesday |
| 04:16.12 | weilawei | okay.. time to start googling, i'll be back once i've made progress... does anyone mind python 2.3 and pygtk? |
| 04:16.26 | gravity | I haven't had a look at debtags in a while, but last time it looked like a bad idea |
| 04:16.30 | weilawei | i'd rather use python 2.4.1 but no pygtk for it |
| 04:16.38 | peterS | weilawei: google_feel_lucky://debian+package+tags |
| 04:16.40 | mngrif | weilawei: seriously, after 10A (EST) tomorrow i'll be free to hack around and help |
| 04:16.42 | Robert__ | peterS : xp reloaded not reloading xp lol its the best version of any windows op sys in the world, pulled to bits completely, all the shit taken out and replaced with easy to use easy to code script, i love it |
| 04:16.47 | weilawei | gravity, i actually love the idea.. m ost systems i use these days use tags. |
| 04:16.48 | weilawei | like flickr |
| 04:16.51 | weilawei | it works wonderfully |
| 04:16.52 | mwilson | Is there some reason it would have to require X? |
| 04:16.56 | Robert__ | priv me, im on another chnnel |
| 04:16.59 | gravity | weilawei: I don't think it'll scale well enough |
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| 04:16.59 | peterS | Robert__: that's nice. that's also off-topic. |
| 04:17.07 | jme | weilawei: i just walked in, what are you coding? |
| 04:17.12 | gravity | weilawei: Although if it has a very good search feature, maybe. But the other issue is curation. |
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| 04:17.17 | lvdsn | hello |
| 04:17.21 | jme | well, not really walked in, just came back from idling |
| 04:17.23 | weilawei | gravity, this is just a quick hackup to hopefully help boost the idea even if it doesn't scale well |
| 04:17.24 | gravity | weilawei: Last time I looked, there were way too many categories. |
| 04:17.39 | gravity | 'quick hackup'? |
| 04:17.42 | Oompa | Hm now it says "Testing apt sources... Err http://mirrors.kernal.org stable/main Packages |
| 04:17.42 | Oompa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.45 | lvdsn | someone know |
| 04:17.50 | weilawei | gravity, i meant what im going to try and code |
| 04:17.52 | gravity | weilawei: The debtags guys have been working on this for years. That's not a quick anything |
| 04:18.08 | lvdsn | how can I make slides |
| 04:18.09 | weilawei | gravity, it's the difference between collaborative engineering and buildingh a quick tool |
| 04:18.14 | peterS | weilawei: anyway, check the first google 'debian package tags' hit, that should give you enough to go on |
| 04:18.18 | lvdsn | of the instalation of debian? |
| 04:18.20 | weilawei | aight thanks.. |
| 04:18.26 | mngrif | erm, sarge was worked on for years and ... *goes off to de-break his box* |
| 04:18.31 | weilawei | gravity, it's easier to build a tool than make a spec |
| 04:18.34 | Robert__ | ok debian looks cool though |
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| 04:18.35 | lvdsn | I see this : http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=184&slide=1 |
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| 04:18.38 | weilawei | specs take years to develop |
| 04:19.03 | gravity | weilawei: The spec wasn't a big deal. It's curation. Lots of packages. Tons of tags that try to cover every conceivable thing. |
| 04:19.14 | chealer | so, apt 0.6 has added [some] support for debtags |
| 04:19.16 | chealer | ? |
| 04:19.17 | gravity | weilawei: That adds up to a lot of labor |
| 04:19.23 | saboteur | has anyone got a recent adaptec controller to work in hostraid mode? |
| 04:19.25 | lvdsn | Hello |
| 04:19.31 | peterS | weilawei: fortunately the labor can be done piecemeal. tags are useful even if only some packages have them |
| 04:19.54 | gravity | Meh... sort of |
| 04:19.57 | peterS | lvdsn: you are a low-voltage differential storage network? |
| 04:20.08 | gravity | If it doesn't include everything it's supposed to, it's a broken system |
| 04:20.21 | weilawei | gravity, okay gimme 10 minutes... ill brb |
| 04:20.24 | weilawei | maybe less |
| 04:20.26 | gravity | I think a really good search function combined with a smaller tag set would work well |
| 04:20.26 | peterS | gravity: well, true, but it *is* easy to distribute the work and nothing particularly breaks during the transition |
| 04:20.30 | chealer | and it's still sunday here :) |
| 04:20.30 | lvdsn | peteS I don't understand that sorry |
| 04:20.39 | lvdsn | peterS I don't understand that sorry |
| 04:20.46 | gravity | debtags had *way* too many tags. You could find like any app 10 down 10 different paths, all of which had to be chosen by hand. |
| 04:20.46 | peterS | lvdsn: your nick. I'm trying to piece it together. "lvd" is low-voltage differential SCSI. |
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| 04:21.05 | gravity | peterS: It doesn't distribute well if you need to find 10 tags to properly categorize a package |
| 04:21.10 | Oompa | I did apt-setup and now it gives me errors for anymirror I pick. |
| 04:21.30 | peterS | gravity: well, ok, so some coordination is needed to find a common set of tags to use, and some oversight to make sure they're used according to plan |
| 04:21.40 | gravity | peterS: I wasn't able to find certain apps I wanted because you can't possibly cover all the bases |
| 04:21.44 | lvdsn | peterS no, no , I am from Peru, and my nick is for La ViDa eS uNa |
| 04:21.57 | peterS | lvdsn: ah, heh |
| 04:22.00 | gravity | peterS: I'm not against the idea of debtags, just the implementation. |
| 04:22.13 | peterS | gravity: oh, ok. I actually haven't played with it, so my optimism is apparently a bit unwarranted (: |
| 04:22.15 | gravity | Make the computer do the work via searching. |
| 04:22.21 | lvdsn | peterS do you know how can I make this ? http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=184&slide=1 |
| 04:22.43 | peterS | lvdsn: I haven't looked at it. what is it? |
| 04:22.43 | lvdsn | peterS slides of the debian instalation |
| 04:22.48 | gravity | peterS: Yeah, it was a pain pre-search function. But then, what does a search function get you over a patch to aptitude which allows searching package descriptions (a la apt-cache)? |
| 04:23.10 | peterS | lvdsn: most people who want screenshots of an installer use something like 'qemu' to install an OS into a virtual machine running on a regular desktop |
| 04:23.16 | gravity | I don't know, I have yet to be convinced. I was really excited to put debtags support in to configure-debian until I tried using it |
| 04:23.25 | Oompa | Help? I can ping servers yet I can't connect to any mirror to download stuff from (dist-upgrade) |
| 04:23.35 | weilawei | wait qq... is debtags itself a bad idea and needs a ground up redesign? because i can code a UI quickly but im hearing that people dont like debtags to begin with |
| 04:23.39 | peterS | gravity: full-text search isn't the same as a standard set of keywords that you can put onto a menu of checkboxes |
| 04:23.50 | lvdsn | peterS qemu? ok I start to read abut it |
| 04:23.52 | gravity | weilawei: Have a look yourself and see what you think. Try using it. |
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| 04:23.59 | kamaraju | Oompa: What servers do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:24.17 | weilawei | gravity, im asking for group opinions.. me i don't mind have huge amounts of tags per thing.. im a very tag oriented personally naturally |
| 04:24.20 | peterS | gravity: I often see bugs or messages that say "you should include the word 'foo' in the description so it'll be easier to search for". that's a problem I think tags can help with |
| 04:24.24 | gravity | peterS: The menus are too big for that. Google showed that full text search can be simpler. |
| 04:24.55 | gravity | weilawei: I think there are too many tags in debtags (at least there were two years ago, maybe they scaled it down). Plus it needs a very solid search function to make things quick. |
| 04:25.14 | gravity | peterS: I agree. Again, I have no problem with debtags as an idea, just the implementation. |
| 04:25.25 | peterS | gravity: you got me there. I honestly haven't looked at it |
| 04:25.47 | gravity | I think a *smarter* search function would be good |
| 04:25.50 | weilawei | gravity, what i'm interested in PERSONALLY is learning more about incremental indexed metadata searching |
| 04:25.55 | weilawei | like apple's spotlight |
| 04:25.57 | weilawei | that's amazing work |
| 04:26.01 | xoz | like spotlight |
| 04:26.05 | weilawei | i love that sort of feature in iTunes |
| 04:26.08 | gravity | weilawei: I don't know what the incremental part means |
| 04:26.11 | saboteur | i take that as a no :) |
| 04:26.15 | weilawei | it means per character |
| 04:26.19 | weilawei | not after you type a whole query |
| 04:26.20 | weilawei | also |
| 04:26.27 | weilawei | it narrows down for each thing you add, as you go |
| 04:26.39 | Guerin | weilawei: oh, like tab completion? |
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| 04:26.44 | Guerin | without hitting tab? |
| 04:26.54 | gravity | weilawei: Well, you have to have metadata to search. Debtags relies on a lot of manual labor to work, and I think with the number of tags it's really hard to get the proper metadata in place |
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| 04:26.55 | weilawei | Guerin, yeah but continuously displaying results |
| 04:27.07 | weilawei | gravity, i maintain all the tagging on my music library |
| 04:27.07 | chalenged | saboteur: huh whats a no...cant see any question atm scrolling.. |
| 04:27.16 | weilawei | SOMEONE has to categorize it all someday |
| 04:27.22 | lvdsn | peterS qemu, is the only one ? |
| 04:27.40 | gravity | weilawei: I'm not against tagging. I'm against an overly large tagset that's curated by humans. |
| 04:27.40 | saboteur | <saboteur> has anyone got a recent adaptec controller to work in hostraid mode? |
| 04:27.43 | peterS | lvdsn: there's various virtual machine software out there. I haven't tried any of it. qemu is well-known |
| 04:27.44 | Robert_2005 | how do i get debian on cd? |
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| 04:27.54 | mngrif | still no GL, but at least it works |
| 04:27.59 | weilawei | gravity, point noited.. ive got debtags installed and im checking it out |
| 04:27.59 | Robert_2005 | i wanna have a go |
| 04:28.04 | gravity | Robert_2005: http://www.debian.org |
| 04:28.09 | Robert_2005 | kk lol |
| 04:28.13 | lvdsn | peterS ok peterS I just try it |
| 04:28.47 | gravity | weilawei: I would love to see a good debtags implementation. Maybe it's improved in the past two years. All I know is that I wasn't able to find a lot of apps where I thought they should have been while using it |
| 04:28.48 | Guerin | all the metadata I need in my music is helpd in the filename path |
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| 04:28.53 | chalenged | saboteur: ahh well i know numerous people had trouble with 2100S etc...although the 2.6.3+ kernels are meant to work |
| 04:28.56 | Guerin | s/helpd/held/ |
| 04:28.57 | nse | Hello everybody, this is the my video device: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] I'm using the official savage x driver. My box is freezing all the time that a run a Gears screensaver, Is this any bug in the driver? What can i do to go round this. My FPS is *very* low (10) and I'm sure my device can do more tan this. What to do about the freeze and about the FPS ? |
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| 04:29.14 | Luigi30 | hey, #debian |
| 04:29.17 | Luigi30 | if freenode-info comes in here |
| 04:29.19 | Luigi30 | don't reply to him |
| 04:29.20 | Guerin | !s3 |
| 04:29.20 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 04:29.21 | Luigi30 | it's a kiddie on tor |
| 04:29.26 | Robert_2005 | by the way f0rked from #irssi is the best he fixed my laptop you should all message him to say he's cool, then again best not too many people here lol |
| 04:29.31 | saboteur | chalenged: ah, i'll just have to try and see then, thanks |
| 04:29.32 | Luigi30 | this has been a public service announcement |
| 04:29.34 | chalenged | saboteur: other than that i dont know but i would be surprised if there was no support at all....adaptec may have drivers on their site |
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| 04:29.39 | peterS | public service announcement: if 'freenode-info' sends a private message to you to "/msg freenode-info identify <password>" - ignore it, it's a fake |
| 04:29.40 | Robert_2005 | im away not |
| 04:29.42 | peterS | thank you, that is all |
| 04:29.43 | Robert_2005 | now* |
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| 04:29.54 | peterS | a phisher |
| 04:29.56 | Robert_2005 | ill probably be back getting help for debian though |
| 04:29.57 | saboteur | the adaptec site has non-hostraid mode drivers, and hostraid mode stuff that is in binary form only |
| 04:30.00 | Guerin | peterS: haha. |
| 04:30.01 | s0cks | O... My... god. There is a channel for debian on freenode! |
| 04:30.03 | Robert_2005 | good night peoples |
| 04:30.04 | mngrif | peterS: i appreciate it |
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| 04:30.05 | saboteur | but for redhat and suse, not debian :( |
| 04:30.08 | s0cks | HOLY CRAP! It's a dream come true! |
| 04:30.10 | SteveWrightNZ | http://nzfreeflyers.org.nz/ <-- paragliding - awesome ! |
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| 04:30.18 | peterS | Guerin: stupid but probably effective in some places |
| 04:30.21 | Guerin | very subtle social engineering, which has probably netted several hundred passwords already |
| 04:30.25 | mngrif | s0cks: yeah, cool huh? |
| 04:30.40 | weilawei | Guerin, whats better is fake contests and surveys at the mall |
| 04:30.42 | weilawei | SSNs and such ;) |
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| 04:30.55 | s0cks | I wish I would have known this when I installed debian, it sucked, and I got gentoo! |
| 04:30.58 | Guerin | weilawei: which is why I don't fill any such things in ... not with real info, anyway. |
| 04:30.58 | s0cks | MUUAHAHAHAHA! |
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| 04:31.06 | chalenged | saboteur: we can use rpms if we have to......man alien |
| 04:31.08 | peterS | wow, s0cks really showed us, huh? |
| 04:31.14 | gravity | Wow... couldn't see that one coming |
| 04:31.15 | Guerin | except maybe with my gmail addresses and my wife's cellphone number |
| 04:31.25 | mngrif | peterS: phj33r. |
| 04:31.27 | weilawei | Guerin, me neither because i think all communication is by definition manipulation. i'd rather learn to practice and understand it than simply be blind |
| 04:31.30 | saboteur | chalenged: but they need to match the kernel headers i think |
| 04:31.34 | gravity | I love how people think we care if they use gentoo |
| 04:31.37 | chalenged | saboteur id look at google a bit before doing alient ho you may find its already done easier |
| 04:31.52 | mngrif | oh yeah, i use gentoo, btw. and obsd. and fbsd. |
| 04:31.53 | weilawei | communication at the minimum causes a person to have a given set of neural responses |
| 04:31.55 | Guerin | gravity: even the people in #gentoo think it's stupid to troll #debian |
| 04:31.58 | chalenged | saboteur: so you have headers np ... |
| 04:32.11 | gravity | Guerin: That's good. That makes me think a little more highly of them |
| 04:32.16 | Guerin | gravity: it's not like they're even representin' ... |
| 04:32.21 | RogueDopple | ah ah |
| 04:32.24 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:32.24 | chalenged | saboteur but yeah there may be a easier method |
| 04:32.34 | liable | sheesh, its taken me a half a day to pick a motherboard.. |
| 04:32.39 | gravity | The gentoo X.Org maintainer is a really nice guy |
| 04:32.44 | Guerin | gravity: oh, the management in there are very sane. Unfortunately it's kinda hard to get good help... |
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| 04:32.47 | saboteur | i'm hoping that the 2.6 kernel has support, and that no one writes about it on google because it works well ;) |
| 04:33.04 | Guerin | but they say good sensible things like 'if you have to ask, don't change your compiler options' |
| 04:33.05 | gravity | Guerin: Really? So the rumors about it being the best channel on freenode aren't true? |
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| 04:33.28 | weilawei | gravity, im seeing one major issue with this so far.. how the fsck do i get the name of an actual package? @_@ |
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| 04:33.45 | zite | I got my nvidia card to work with X but I can't get it's resolution higher then 800x600 :< anybody know why? |
| 04:33.46 | mngrif | #gentoo is probably one of the best channels on freenode, next to #trance, which isn't on-topic anyway so it doesn't count :P |
| 04:33.47 | gravity | weilawei: What do you mean? |
| 04:33.48 | Guerin | gravity: well, I had what I figure to be a bunch of very basic errors, and haven't been able to get help on them - like perl5.8.7 failing to build on a default, vanilla setup |
| 04:33.55 | weilawei | i think you should be able to do "debtags search tagx tagy tagz" and have it return matching tags.. |
| 04:34.07 | PerfDave | zite: Does /var/log/XFree86.0.log help? |
| 04:34.32 | chalenged | zite: nvidia driver being nv or nvidia via Module assistant? |
| 04:34.36 | zite | nvidia |
| 04:34.38 | gravity | weilawei: Ouch |
| 04:34.47 | gravity | weilawei: Yeah, that'd be useful |
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| 04:34.57 | s0cks | Attention all : Penis. |
| 04:34.59 | weilawei | gravity, i'm starting to think they approached it from the wrong direction.. |
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| 04:35.12 | chalenged | !tell zite about drxx |
| 04:35.18 | gravity | weilawei: Certainly possible |
| 04:35.27 | chalenged | zite do that and set up the higher options.. |
| 04:35.34 | zite | I did |
| 04:35.36 | gravity | weilawei: There is a lot of metadata in there though that could be used if you just want a different UI though |
| 04:35.42 | weilawei | yep |
| 04:35.59 | zite | I set it to like 1280x1020 as my main resolution |
| 04:36.03 | chalenged | i did can your monitor also do those reses in your setup? |
| 04:36.16 | weilawei | but seriously.. they have a way to check what pkgs have what tags.. but you specify a pkg.. not the other way around |
| 04:36.18 | weilawei | which is what's needed |
| 04:36.28 | gravity | weilawei: It may just be another app |
| 04:36.33 | weilawei | maybe.. |
| 04:36.39 | zite | do you mean is my monitor capable of it? |
| 04:36.49 | zite | or is it setup to do that in the Xfree file? |
| 04:37.32 | chalenged | zite: yeah check the monitor config in X!! |
| 04:37.36 | gravity | I haven't looked at debtags in a while. It seems to have changed. |
| 04:37.44 | mngrif | Grievre: dpkg -i for gaim works just fine, thankyouverymuch! |
| 04:37.54 | zite | chalenged: ? |
| 04:37.57 | weilawei | gravity, got an offhand name of a pkg that has tags? |
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| 04:38.02 | weilawei | i think debtags grep tag might be it |
| 04:38.11 | gravity | weilawei: xterm |
| 04:38.11 | weilawei | but i have yet to get any results |
| 04:38.13 | weilawei | kk |
| 04:38.19 | zite | I'm not sure what it should look like |
| 04:39.08 | zite | I have all the happy SubSection "Display" things set for the resolution I want |
| 04:39.22 | weilawei | gravity, got it |
| 04:39.32 | weilawei | damn this tagging scheme is messy.. tagging shouldn't be hierarchial |
| 04:39.38 | weilawei | tagging is intended for a mostly flat namespace |
| 04:39.48 | weilawei | you have to use x11::terminal not just plain terminal. |
| 04:39.51 | mngrif | gravity: the x config transition worked perfectly for my setup, if you were one bit interested |
| 04:39.57 | zite | the horizsync and vertrefresh is set correctly |
| 04:40.17 | zite | Option "DPMS" is set, though I don't know what that is |
| 04:40.25 | zite | I have a LCD monitor if that's any help |
| 04:40.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: sorry man cant bring lappy tommorow ;( My dad took lappy to Europe... ;P He didnt tell me till like 9am today he planned on taking with him... |
| 04:40.35 | Guerin | zite: that's what turns your monitor off after a certain time |
| 04:40.42 | zite | ah |
| 04:40.45 | gravity | mngrif: Awesome. Glad to hear it! |
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| 04:41.25 | gravity | weilawei: The debtags app appears to be oriented to debtags maintainers, not users |
| 04:41.39 | weilawei | gravity, i noticed but im interested in making something userfriendly |
| 04:41.45 | gravity | weilawei: Go for it |
| 04:41.45 | exobyte | How can I get the status (connection speed, uptime) of a dialup connection stated with pon? (or pppd, for that matter) |
| 04:41.51 | weilawei | so i need decent data to work off of |
| 04:41.54 | gravity | weilawei: 'cause this app isn't it |
| 04:41.56 | weilawei | i'd prefer not to translate their tags |
| 04:42.02 | gravity | I'm amazed that it got worse |
| 04:42.35 | chalenged | zite: hmm sounds like it's about right... |
| 04:42.43 | biohazrd | could use some suggestions.. computer fails during the boot process several times, reboots at various stages of the booting process. Runs fine if its able to get through it. no post errors, memory check fine. any ideas? |
| 04:42.48 | chalenged | zite: do all wms do it or just one? |
| 04:43.04 | chalenged | zite: i run kde gnome xfce and flux depending on whats been broken at the time |
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| 04:43.19 | biohazrd | i cleaned a ton of dust out of it today, but that didn't fix it |
| 04:43.33 | weilawei | gravity, the real issue isnt the number of tags.. |
| 04:43.40 | weilawei | the real issue is the layered tags.. |
| 04:43.45 | weilawei | x11::terminal should NOT be one tag |
| 04:43.47 | weilawei | that should be two |
| 04:43.51 | weilawei | x11 AND terminal |
| 04:43.54 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: no errors at all? |
| 04:43.59 | biohazrd | nope |
| 04:44.09 | gravity | weilawei: I think there used to be a lot more tags in the past |
| 04:44.12 | biohazrd | just random reboots through the startup process |
| 04:44.13 | weilawei | first you'd search for terminal.. and see that it brought up lots of console stuff.. so you add x11. |
| 04:44.15 | gravity | Although I haven't seen the full list |
| 04:44.22 | zite | chalenged: kde and gnome both do it |
| 04:44.26 | weilawei | but you shouldnt have to know how to use a tagging system beyond instinct |
| 04:44.28 | zite | and that's all I have installed |
| 04:44.33 | weilawei | the best search systems cater to human instinct |
| 04:44.34 | mngrif | weilawei: very true |
| 04:44.37 | biohazrd | i thought it was just outdated tools and an old kernel... updated and recompiled so everything is current |
| 04:44.48 | mngrif | biohazrd: overclocking? |
| 04:44.51 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: Errr... could be anything.. heat problems...? |
| 04:44.52 | biohazrd | no sir |
| 04:45.04 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: CPU Temp is okay? |
| 04:45.08 | mngrif | then again, i have a pentium-mmx that is OC'd to 2x it's orrigional speed w/o problem |
| 04:45.09 | biohazrd | no heat, have bios set to warn over 90 , |
| 04:45.13 | biohazrd | running at about 58 now |
| 04:45.32 | biohazrd | maybe a cpu going bad? |
| 04:45.38 | gravity | weilawei: I agree. debtags doesn't have it. |
| 04:45.42 | biohazrd | its a dual MP2000 |
| 04:45.45 | gravity | I wish it did |
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| 04:45.57 | mngrif | biohazrd: if it boots and runs fine afterwards, it shouldn't be a cpu issue |
| 04:46.07 | biohazrd | well thats true |
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| 04:46.21 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: possibably... but either way I would expect errors after bootup not to mention durring bootup... |
| 04:46.43 | biohazrd | its a very odd deal |
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| 04:46.59 | cougar` | Hello : I'm using dnsmasq as my DNS forwarder, and it's not working. I have 2 NIC cards, and dnsmasq is set to listen to requests on eth0 which is the local nic. Also, resolv.conf keeps being over written. And right now I still don't have any DNS capablity except on the debian system. |
| 04:47.00 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: kicking restart button? |
| 04:47.06 | biohazrd | no rhyme nor reason to it, sometime it only reboots itself one time, other times 15 or 20 |
| 04:47.11 | biohazrd | twi: yes |
| 04:47.26 | weilawei | gravity, know of a wiki offhand? i'm thinking we can build something from what debtags did but honestly there's got to be a better way |
| 04:47.32 | cougar` | How do I get DNSmasq to work and resolv.conf from being over written? |
| 04:47.36 | cougar` | Thanks in advanced. |
| 04:47.38 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: Errr... sorry... cant think of anything... would expect it would be ram.. if I had to guess at what could be wrong with ram... |
| 04:47.42 | gravity | weilawei: A wiki? Like wiki.debian.net? |
| 04:48.04 | biohazrd | doesnt get caught on a post test |
| 04:48.05 | gravity | weilawei: You may seriously just want to write enrico or the debtags team and ask them what they have planned... |
| 04:48.08 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: have you had bios do a full ram test?... turn off Fast Boot and let it scan ram chips.. |
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| 04:48.23 | gravity | weilawei: I'd recommend trying to work with them before going off on your own. Cooperation can pay off. |
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| 04:48.43 | mngrif | biohazrd: take it a step further, let memtest86 do it's thing if it can on your arch |
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| 04:48.44 | biohazrd | naw, havent tried that yet... but i guess it could.. i have on old ram check program on floppy i will go look for it. |
| 04:48.49 | weilawei | gravity, yeah im just looking for some place to publicly jot down thoughts/invite other thoughts |
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| 04:49.01 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: have bios check.. |
| 04:49.02 | biohazrd | memtest86 work in linux? |
| 04:49.08 | weilawei | gravity, but from the looks of the manpage.. they'd planned a single level tag structure which is exactly how it should be |
| 04:49.20 | weilawei | they used for example: debtags grep 'mail && client' |
| 04:49.25 | biohazrd | i would expect programs and such to lock up if ram was an issue |
| 04:49.27 | gravity | weilawei: Well, why not write them and ask what they have in mind? |
| 04:49.34 | weilawei | if you do that, you get nothing because in the actual system, you have double layered tags |
| 04:49.36 | mngrif | biohazrd: memtest86 is it's own little kernel type thing, in debian if you install it you'll get a grub/lilo boot option for it |
| 04:49.38 | biohazrd | but i will reboot and check |
| 04:49.39 | gravity | weilawei: They may be re-working it, or may have a good reason for doing what they're doing... |
| 04:49.43 | weilawei | ill ask |
| 04:49.56 | cougar` | Channel : Can anyone help? |
| 04:50.32 | TwistedEmotions | biohazrd: perhaps bad blocks are detected and avoided after bootup? I dont know.. If I had to guess.. 1)Ram 2)Motherboard 3) CPU's.. |
| 04:51.03 | biohazrd | i will check further into ram |
| 04:51.09 | weilawei | gravity, interestingly enough, debtags-edit (a gui) does what i was talking about without the fancy double structure AND incremental searching |
| 04:51.19 | biohazrd | mngrif, memtest86 installs itself as an option at boot? |
| 04:51.43 | weilawei | wait |
| 04:51.44 | gravity | weilawei: Then maybe they're not so far off from what you want after all |
| 04:51.47 | weilawei | i think it searches the name |
| 04:51.48 | weilawei | not the tags.. |
| 04:51.58 | weilawei | it searches by name it appears and then displays the tags.. |
| 04:52.00 | cougar` | How do I tell dhcpd to give the -R option to prevent resolv.conf from being over written? |
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| 04:52.02 | weilawei | but we need a search by tags |
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| 04:52.31 | gravity | weilawei: Seriously, I think a lot of these apps were written to actually create the tags. I don't know if they have a good user interface for the normal user yet |
| 04:52.57 | gravity | weilawei: Just write them, ask what's up, and if you want to write that app then see if they're interested. |
| 04:53.13 | weilawei | gravity, yeah.. just to confirm my thoughts.. i did a search for audio.. alsa wasnt there. then i searched for alsa and found audio as one of its tags |
| 04:53.15 | gravity | weilawei: Cooperation will get the actual goal that you want done in the end |
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| 04:53.27 | PerfDave | cougar`: Do you want your DHCP server not to give DNS server information out, or your DHCP client not to listen to the server's DNS information/ |
| 04:53.30 | weilawei | i know.. im just trying to figure out whats in place.. i learn better by exploring first |
| 04:53.38 | Guerin | grr, how to make df see how i've deleted a bunch of shit? df --sync looks like it should do it, but doesn't |
| 04:53.38 | gravity | ok |
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| 04:54.56 | nvz | is the clamav package in debian suitable for detecting wild w32 viruses in my samba shared files? |
| 04:55.04 | cougar` | PerfDave : I want the debian system to be a DHCP server. The DHCP client needs to get the DNS info and IP from the ISP. The local side needs to give IPs out to the machines on my network. And the machines on my network need to talk to the debain system for DNS requests. |
| 04:55.06 | PerfDave | nvz: It should do |
| 04:55.10 | koollman | nvz: yes |
| 04:55.21 | weilawei | gravity, okay i see why they have double layered stuff... in debtags-edit, you can search (by text) for a NAME... you can also click a Add Tag button to get a menu with 2 levels.. one of loose categories, then more specific. that works.. |
| 04:55.35 | nvz | might setup some fresh-clam tomorrow then :P |
| 04:55.42 | weilawei | but i also want to be able to type in something like "terminal" as a tag and expect it to find x11::terminal and whateverelse::terminal |
| 04:55.52 | weilawei | which is harder with 2 levels |
| 04:55.54 | nvz | see if any of the viruses that ended up on the infected machines are on my pc.. heh |
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| 04:56.14 | PerfDave | cougar`: So you need a static IP on your internal side, and your DHCP server to *only* listen on the internal interface. The external interface will then get a DHCP lease from your ISP's DHCP server without your local DHCP server interfering. |
| 04:56.36 | cougar` | yeah |
| 04:56.41 | cougar` | Sounds right |
| 04:57.07 | PerfDave | cougar`: Which DHCP server are you using? |
| 04:57.51 | cougar` | And right now, the DHCP server is giving out IPs correctly. The DHClient is obtaining the IP and DNS info from my ISP. It is however rewriting resolv.conf, so nameserver is no longer 127.0.0.1.... and when I edit the resolv.conf, dnsmasq will not work. |
| 04:57.57 | cougar` | dhcp3-server |
| 04:58.26 | cougar` | Using the command 'host' just hangs |
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| 04:58.55 | PerfDave | cougar`: Hang on, your DHCP server is giving out IP leases correctly, including nameserver information, to other machines on your network? |
| 04:58.58 | cougar` | PerfDave : I'm sorry for PMin' you when u told me not to. I had alot of windows open :( Hope you accept my apology and I do appreciate you helping me |
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| 04:59.02 | Bogaurd | i was just wondering, besides kernel 2.6, are there many other differences between sarge and etch? |
| 04:59.09 | cougar` | yes |
| 04:59.12 | cougar` | Pretty sure it is. |
| 04:59.17 | cougar` | Lemme double check |
| 04:59.21 | Guerin | Bogaurd: yeah, nowadays there are. |
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| 04:59.50 | mngrif | why in gods name would port 5431 be open on my router?... |
| 04:59.53 | cougar` | yu[ it is |
| 04:59.53 | PerfDave | cougar`: No worries, I just wanted to take a nap, and discussing things in PM puts a sense of obligation on you to finish a task rather than handing over to someone who's less tired :) |
| 05:00.07 | cougar` | Yeah I understand |
| 05:00.22 | mngrif | ah, uPnP |
| 05:00.38 | cougar` | Yes windows just got all the DNS and IP information from my DHCP Server |
| 05:00.39 | Guerin | cougar`: if you want to stop your dhcpc from changing your nameservers, edit /etc/dhclient.conf or make you /etc/resolv.conf file +i with chattr |
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| 05:01.03 | Bogaurd | Guerin: such as what? |
| 05:01.07 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, so you want your DHCP *client* to get information from your ISP, but ignore the DNS servers? |
| 05:01.13 | Guerin | Bogaurd: give me some parameters. |
| 05:01.27 | cougar` | no no... |
| 05:01.32 | cougar` | hehe, lemme explain |
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| 05:02.50 | Bogaurd | Guerin: well, in terms of packages. I'm looking for fairly recent package revisions, but i don't want to end up with anything unstable. |
| 05:02.51 | cougar` | I have 3 machines on my network... those 3 machines use a DHCP set up, but the DHCP Server is using a fixed address based on the hardware address to give those machines their IPs. This works. But when I'm on one machine, I would like to refer to the machine by computer name, instead of IP. Not currently, this does not work. I edit /etc/hosts but still not working. |
| 05:03.14 | cougar` | And I can't go anywhere right now online :( |
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| 05:03.26 | cougar` | No DNS capability. |
| 05:03.30 | Guerin | Bogaurd: I'd suggest you start with sarge, which is reasonably recent, and upgrade to etch if you find something's not new enough. |
| 05:04.05 | PerfDave | cougar`: So you've got dnsmasq running on your server machine, and the DHCP server gives out the IP of that server machine as the DNS server for the other machines? |
| 05:04.09 | Guerin | Bogaurd: etch is liable to go through a bit of a shakey patch soon, as gcc and xorg transition bugs are shaken out. Sid will catch most of them, but some are liable to slip through. |
| 05:04.18 | Bogaurd | Guerin: ok - is upgrading a simple process? I currently have a woody box, which has serverd me well, and is setup just the way i need it, it'd be wonderful if i could upgrade that to srage... |
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| 05:04.23 | xoz | cougar`: you can name them in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 05:04.28 | Guerin | Bogaurd: yeah, fairly straightforward. |
| 05:04.43 | cougar` | yes |
| 05:04.47 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: You can upgrade the server from woody to sarge by following the upgrade instructions in the 3.1 installation manual. |
| 05:04.48 | Guerin | Bogaurd: read the release notes and /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 05:04.49 | cougar` | PerfDave : Now ya got it |
| 05:05.02 | Bogaurd | Guerin: worth upgrading from woody to sagre? or better to nuke it all and start afresh? |
| 05:05.07 | Guerin | Bogaurd: if you're running a server, id' start with sarge, not etch. |
| 05:05.13 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, and the server has the hostnames and IPs in /etc/hosts to allow local resolution? |
| 05:05.22 | Guerin | Bogaurd: should be no need to reinstall, this ain't red hat. |
| 05:05.33 | Sentia | postgresql 8.0 question, I've installed the package, but I can't create db's or usrs. su -c "su postgres" does nothing, I remain at the root prompt |
| 05:05.45 | Grievre | okay |
| 05:05.52 | cougar` | PerfDave : Mac asks Linux box for IP info and DNS info. All DNS requests from the Mac go to the debian system. Debian system then replies |
| 05:05.52 | Guerin | Bogaurd: if you have any unofficial or backported packages installed, you might have a bit of manual work to do, but as long as you back up your configs, you should be set. |
| 05:05.57 | Grievre | My /home partition has gotten kinda full |
| 05:05.58 | Bogaurd | Guerin: excellent, thankyou very much =) |
| 05:06.04 | Grievre | and suddenly disk accesses are getting a LOT slower |
| 05:06.11 | cougar` | PerfDave : yes I believe so... not sure if I set up the /etc/hosts file correctly tho |
| 05:06.13 | Guerin | Grievre: delete your ./.xsession-errors file |
| 05:06.14 | PerfDave | cougar`: So you've got resolution of local names working from your Mac, and not from your Linux box? |
| 05:06.14 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.37 | sam_ | where can i get asciipr0n |
| 05:06.48 | gravity | sam_: google |
| 05:07.01 | PerfDave | sam_: http://www.ljudmila.org/~vuk/ascii/deep.htm |
| 05:07.09 | Guerin | sam_: mplayer -vo aa |
| 05:07.14 | gravity | sam_: Or you can type it out yourself. |
| 05:07.18 | nite613 | What do I have to use to route something raw DSP dependent (like festival) to ALSA? I'm looking for esddsp for alsa I guess |
| 05:07.20 | Guerin | with one hand |
| 05:07.27 | nite613 | 't run esd |
| 05:07.29 | gravity | heh |
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| 05:07.35 | cougar` | PerfDave : No, thats a negative. I have no DNS working @ all. Only on debian system. And the debian system fails to look up the names of the machines on my network. IE: host apollo yields : host apollo not found: 3(NXDomain) |
| 05:08.18 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, and this is because your debian system's resolv.conf only has your ISP nameservers, not 127.0.0.1, so it's not using your local dnsmasq for resolution at all. Correct? |
| 05:08.24 | cougar` | And the only reason why DNS information is working JUST on the debian system is because the resolv.conf has been over written to use my ISP DNS servers and not the 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:08.26 | Guerin | Grievre: seriously, though - full filesystems run a lot slower than those with a bit of free space |
| 05:08.40 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, there are two ways to solve your problem. |
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| 05:09.01 | cougar` | PerfDave : If I edit the resolv.conf so the nameserver is 127.0.0.1 : using the command 'host apollo' hangs the system |
| 05:09.16 | PerfDave | cougar`: Hangs the system? |
| 05:09.19 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 05:09.22 | cougar` | So dnsmasq is failing ;( |
| 05:09.23 | Guerin | that shouldn't happen |
| 05:09.29 | PerfDave | cougar`: What do you mean by "hangs the system"? |
| 05:09.30 | cougar` | Well it sits there and waits for a reply. |
| 05:09.42 | cougar` | PerfDave: it's not immediate |
| 05:09.54 | PerfDave | cougar`: That's not the same thing as "hangs the system" at all. |
| 05:10.00 | Guerin | aargh, too hot |
| 05:10.01 | PerfDave | cougar`: And what does it eventually say? |
| 05:10.06 | Guerin | must get watermelon |
| 05:10.14 | cougar` | lemme edit resolv.conf, hang on plz |
| 05:10.38 | pablum | must get avocado |
| 05:11.19 | xoz | cougar`: perhaps, you should enable also NAT |
| 05:11.41 | PerfDave | xoz: One thing at a time ;) |
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| 05:11.57 | cougar` | PerfDave : Okay, resolv.conf edited so 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' dnsmasq is running. Running the command 'host apollo', which should yield 192.168.1.2 results in connection timed out. no servers could be reached |
| 05:12.11 | cougar` | nat is enabled |
| 05:13.00 | sykopomp | Problem: My sound is choppy, the volume constantly fluctuates, this is for all sound files I run... I currently have arts AND alsa packages installed... also alsa-oss, have no idea what other info might be helpful |
| 05:13.02 | ke6isf | cougar`: Have you tried putting the machine's assigned IP address in resolv.conf? |
| 05:13.11 | cougar` | yes |
| 05:13.28 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, is dnsmasq running? Try this: netstat -pantu | grep dnsmasq |
| 05:13.30 | xoz | cougar`: try ping apollo. check what network name it resolves to |
| 05:13.40 | cougar` | PerfDave : Issuing the command, 'host 127.0.0.1' results in the same reply. |
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| 05:14.02 | xoz | cougar`: check route also. |
| 05:14.34 | cougar` | PefDave : I get about 6 lines of output. A bunch of zeroes, and line 1 contains LISTEN |
| 05:14.34 | PerfDave | xoz: I don't think you're being helpful here. Routing and NAT won't affect being able to talk to a DNS server serving a local address over loopback. |
| 05:14.48 | cougar` | pinging apollo works |
| 05:14.58 | xoz | PerfDave: ping works. |
| 05:15.02 | PerfDave | cougar`: Can you show me the output with http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 05:15.09 | PerfDave | xoz: That's not helpful |
| 05:15.13 | weilawei | gravity, still here? |
| 05:15.32 | gravity | weilawei: Yes, for a little while |
| 05:15.32 | cougar` | route has 192.168.1.0 Gateway: * Genmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:15.36 | cougar` | on eth0 |
| 05:15.40 | xoz | PerfDave: route should show the default gateway? |
| 05:15.47 | weilawei | I just fired off a long email to Enrico asking various questions and also subscribed to the list |
| 05:15.52 | cougar` | eth1 is 68.45.214.0 |
| 05:15.58 | PerfDave | xoz: This box probably doesn't have a default gateway, and it's not helpful anyway! |
| 05:16.01 | gravity | weilawei: Awesome |
| 05:16.02 | cougar` | PerfDave : yes, hang on. |
| 05:16.13 | gravity | weilawei: He's apparently a really nice guy, so hopefully you guys can work together on it |
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| 05:16.34 | weilawei | that'd be great. frankly, i end up with a lot of time on my hands and code silly little programs. |
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| 05:16.44 | weilawei | like an anti-goof off tool i've been maintaining |
| 05:16.54 | cougar` | Wait |
| 05:17.01 | cougar` | I can't get to that URL PerfDave |
| 05:17.05 | gravity | weilawei: Yeah, it's often more satisfying seeing your work in wide use |
| 05:17.11 | PerfDave | cougar`: How are you on IRC now? |
| 05:17.14 | cougar` | I have no DNS lookup : If you have IP : I can get to it |
| 05:17.15 | xoz | PerfDave: well, let's see |
| 05:17.19 | cougar` | the IRC conenction was established |
| 05:17.27 | sykopomp | problem: Sound is sucking, I wish to fix it, have no idea what might be wrong |
| 05:17.40 | cougar` | err was already established and this IRC client has a long time out |
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| 05:17.53 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 05:17.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 05:17.59 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, that's not a problem. |
| 05:18.11 | cougar` | I need UP to channels.debian.net |
| 05:18.24 | PerfDave | cougar`: No, that won't work, it's a vhost. |
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| 05:18.31 | cougar` | crap :( |
| 05:18.34 | weilawei | gravity, using the system i see a lot more sense to it.. it's like the faceted classification in any metadata system.. like iTunes.. Genre::Jazz, Artist::Portishead.. except that menus are useful only for browsing.. when you want a quick targerted search, you use what you've learned about the taxonomy and just type say "jazz" not genre::jazz. you already know that it's a genre yourself. |
| 05:18.42 | cougar` | How bout I paste it line by line |
| 05:18.45 | weilawei | you DONT however know whats under jazz. |
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| 05:18.53 | PerfDave | cougar`: Paste it in #flood please |
| 05:18.56 | cougar` | I have IRC programs I wrote to assist pasting text |
| 05:18.58 | cougar` | okay |
| 05:19.09 | PerfDave | I have "screen" ;0 |
| 05:19.11 | weilawei | so one of the questions i asked was if there were any plans for that sort of search or anything in place |
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| 05:19.40 | weilawei | (portishead was a bad example.. they're trip hop or acid jazz depending on how you want to call it) |
| 05:19.45 | gravity | weilawei: Cool. Even if not, hopefull you can work on something. |
| 05:20.28 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, so dnsmasq is running, and listening to connections on any IP |
| 05:20.36 | cougar` | cool |
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| 05:21.14 | cougar` | doing 'host 192.168.1.2' on Mac machine gives : ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 05:22.13 | cougar` | PerfDave : Wait a minute : now pinging apollo works. |
| 05:22.24 | PerfDave | cougar`: Pinging is not useful here. |
| 05:22.32 | cougar` | Host however does not, how is this possible? |
| 05:22.34 | PerfDave | cougar`: What's in resolv.conf on the server now? |
| 05:22.52 | PerfDave | cougar`: Pinging is not useful here, damnit! It works because apollo is in your hosts file, and ping checks that and host doesn't! |
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| 05:23.04 | cougar` | PerfDave : nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:23.20 | weilawei | lmfao... add some DNS servers |
| 05:23.22 | cougar` | Host needs to check resolv.conf :P |
| 05:23.39 | PerfDave | /etc/resolv.conf is not /etc/hosts |
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| 05:23.58 | cougar` | PerfDave : Were you 'dammit'ing me, or the fact that 'ping' is smart and 'host' is dumb :P |
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| 05:24.18 | cougar` | sorry, got it backwards |
| 05:24.22 | PerfDave | cougar`: I was damniting you for not listening. |
| 05:24.34 | PerfDave | And xoz for confusing matters :) |
| 05:24.45 | mngrif | isn't host made to query DNS servers? |
| 05:24.57 | mngrif | as in, it doesn't do what other network aware programs do? |
| 05:24.59 | peterS | cougar`: what? host doesn't check resolv.conf? |
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| 05:25.14 | PerfDave | cougar`: Does "host apollo 127.0.0.1" give any useful results? |
| 05:25.15 | peterS | cougar`: well, except on HP-UX, where it just calls gethostbyname and thus goes through whatever NSS has in store |
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| 05:25.27 | Jamsi | Anyone know what a safe maxheader limit is for sendmail? - I have a few users who get some sort of newsletter or mass mailout and the sending server seems to TRY and send the email every few mins because the recieving end will defer due to max headers are too large. |
| 05:25.29 | PerfDave | cougar`: Please paste the output of "host apollo 127.0.0.1" in #flood |
| 05:25.35 | cougar` | okay |
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| 05:26.27 | PerfDave | cougar`: Argh! |
| 05:26.37 | cougar` | PerfDave : YUP! I concur |
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| 05:27.17 | b0ma | whats a good web browser for a shell other than lynx |
| 05:27.21 | PerfDave | cougar`: Is there anything useful from dnsmasq in /var/log/daemon.log ? |
| 05:27.30 | weilawei | b0ma, links |
| 05:27.31 | PerfDave | b0ma: lynx is the best CLI web browser IMO |
| 05:27.37 | b0ma | it wont install |
| 05:27.40 | peterS | b0ma: elinks |
| 05:27.42 | Jamsi | apt-get install links |
| 05:27.46 | peterS | b0ma: or links2 |
| 05:27.51 | positrix | w3m? |
| 05:27.55 | b0ma | its calling for some curses |
| 05:27.57 | b0ma | or something |
| 05:27.57 | mngrif | b0ma: elinks :) |
| 05:27.59 | PerfDave | b0ma: What do you mean, it won't install? |
| 05:28.11 | jm_ | there's links2 or elinks inSarge |
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| 05:28.23 | b0ma | it wont configure rather |
| 05:28.30 | jm_ | and it also has the old (I think not worked on anymore) links |
| 05:28.31 | PerfDave | b0ma: What do you mean, it won't configure? |
| 05:28.38 | peterS | b0ma: sounds to me like a debconf problem, not a *links* problem |
| 05:28.45 | cougar` | PerfDave : Nope, using tail -f on System.log yielded nothing. |
| 05:28.48 | b0ma | it has a error when it calls for curses lib |
| 05:28.59 | pumpitup | install ncurses dev |
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| 05:29.03 | PerfDave | cougar`: Why the hell are you using tail -f on System.log? |
| 05:29.06 | tbx | now that I have run the nvidia-one-liner, I still: have not full resolution [mere 1024 instead of known and former capacity of 1280]; and no sound at all. How do I even tell what resolution this machine thinks it's running? |
| 05:29.16 | PerfDave | b0ma: Which version of links and of Debian are you using? |
| 05:29.17 | cougar` | PerfDave : To watch it |
| 05:29.21 | jm_ | tbx: xdpyinfo, or X logfile |
| 05:29.23 | b0ma | debian 3.1 |
| 05:29.26 | PerfDave | cougar`: 06:27 < PerfDave> cougar`: Is there anything useful from dnsmasq in /var/log/daemon.log ? |
| 05:29.28 | peterS | b0ma: elinks doesn't seem to have any dependencies on ncurses. what's the error 'apt-get install elinks' prints out? |
| 05:29.31 | PerfDave | cougar`: 06:29 < PerfDave> cougar`: Why the hell are you using tail -f on System.log? |
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| 05:29.39 | b0ma | and lynx was 2.8.2 i think |
| 05:29.39 | cougar` | I don't have a daemon.log |
| 05:29.48 | ugly | b0ma: why are you trying to compile it instead of install from 'apt-get'? |
| 05:29.48 | cougar` | PerfDave : I don't have a daemon.log |
| 05:29.59 | positrix | how do i reconfigure X? |
| 05:30.00 | cougar` | Crap |
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| 05:30.05 | tbx | jm_: great! thanks for that. Now how to change it? |
| 05:30.05 | b0ma | good question i had just downloaded it via sourcefourge |
| 05:30.07 | cougar` | hold on, I was on the Mac box when I did that :P |
| 05:30.10 | b0ma | lemme try aptget |
| 05:30.12 | b0ma | ill brb |
| 05:30.17 | b0ma | :) |
| 05:30.23 | ugly | positrix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:30.36 | jm_ | tbx: you can change default resolution by editing config file and specifying it first, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 might also work |
| 05:30.43 | PerfDave | cougar`: Please don't tell me that you've been trying to resolve from localhost on the Mac and not the server. |
| 05:30.46 | jm_ | tbx: beware of the md5sum issue if you modify it by hand |
| 05:30.48 | cougar` | no |
| 05:30.53 | cougar` | Just that one time messed up |
| 05:31.18 | cougar` | PerfDave : please go to #flood |
| 05:31.23 | PerfDave | cougar`: I'm there |
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| 05:31.57 | positrix | ugly: thanks, i kept thinging there was a space between dpkg and reconfigure :( |
| 05:32.02 | Oompa | Ugh... Testing Apt sources is taking for ever :-\ |
| 05:32.16 | ugly | positrix: heh well there is a 'dpkg' command too |
| 05:32.31 | PerfDave | cougar`: Can you paste the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 05:32.34 | tbx | jm_: by "specifying it first", you mean like this, which it already is: "Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"" |
| 05:32.45 | jm_ | tbx: yes, looks fine, time to check X logfile |
| 05:32.55 | cougar` | PefDave : rgr |
| 05:33.11 | xoz | no route to 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:33.11 | tbx | jm_: and what is meant by md5sum issue? I know what md5sum is, but what's the issue, and how to avoid errors? And thank you for helping, I appreciate it. |
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| 05:33.17 | jm_ | tbx: /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 05:33.31 | zite | can I write to an ntfs drive? |
| 05:33.50 | jm_ | tbx: you will run into this issue only if you hand-edit the file and later run dpkg-reconfigure command given earlier |
| 05:33.56 | KerPlunk | zite yes |
| 05:33.58 | KerPlunk | You _can_ |
| 05:34.02 | PerfDave | zite: Not easily. |
| 05:34.10 | PerfDave | tbx: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 05:34.13 | zite | =/ |
| 05:34.16 | tbx | jm_: okay, that's great info, and something I would not have expected. Thank you. |
| 05:34.51 | jm_ | should be useful if it tells the user what is wrong - maybe it does, I haven't run the command for years |
| 05:34.57 | tbx | jm_: I tried "msg dpkg nvidia-sound" but get nothing.... how do you guys know all these nifty issue suggestions? is there a complete list? |
| 05:35.08 | Bhaal | Is there a package or software of some kind (besides x2x) Which will allow me to span 1 X session between multiple machines? |
| 05:35.19 | tbx | msg dpkg nforce |
| 05:35.21 | PerfDave | tbx: use listkeys to search factoid names, listvals to search factoid answers. |
| 05:35.27 | PerfDave | tbx: Type "/msg" not msg |
| 05:35.33 | jm_ | tbx: some of them are used very often, so it's easy to remember them - otherwise "/msg dpkg listkeys <bla>" and "/msg dpkg listvalues <bla>" |
| 05:35.40 | tbx | PerfDave: typo. yes, I got hat. tanks. |
| 05:35.42 | xoz | tbx: /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword> |
| 05:35.57 | tbx | xoz: sweet! awexome! |
| 05:36.02 | jm_ | Bhaal: VNC |
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| 05:36.41 | PerfDave | Bhaal: What's wrong with x2x? |
| 05:37.40 | ke6isf | Is there a way to remove from the list of mirrors that apt-setup has available the mirrors that don't seem to be working? |
| 05:37.43 | cougar` | Okay |
| 05:37.45 | cougar` | I'm back |
| 05:37.58 | tbx | okay, I "/msg dpkg nforce" and get nothing really useful. nvidia's nforce installer is not giving me any sound. |
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| 05:38.41 | tbx | Like, I'm not using "kernels older than 2.4.22", so no boo on me! |
| 05:38.43 | PerfDave | cougar`: Can you paste the output of the following command to #flood: ps auxww | grep dhclient | cut -c 1-10,64- |
| 05:38.57 | cougar` | rgr |
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| 05:39.21 | jm_ | tbx: use ALSA |
| 05:40.03 | Bhaal | jm_: I want like xinerama but crossing over X servers on different machines... |
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| 05:41.14 | tbx | jm_: okay, aptituded. and .. ./init.d/alsa start[ed]. Do I gotta restart X or something to make it work? |
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| 05:41.41 | jm_ | tbx: no |
| 05:42.00 | Bhaal | jm_: Eventually I want a 9 monitor display, Im kinda figuring using a few machines with dual head cards will be cheaper then buying one of those massive multi-head cards... |
| 05:42.09 | pablum | still a client running on eth0 |
| 05:42.15 | jm_ | Bhaal: it will use shitloads of bandwith |
| 05:42.15 | PerfDave | cougar`: One thing you'll want to kill is the dhcp client process on eth0 - issue "kill 1487" as root, then use the ps command again to make sure it's gone. |
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| 05:42.35 | Bhaal | jm_: *shrug* gigabit switch between the machines... |
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| 05:42.52 | tbx | jm_: well, I'm missing something, then. Ain't no sunshine when she's quiet. |
| 05:42.58 | cougar` | rgr |
| 05:43.19 | jm_ | tbx: that's in ALSA FAQ - you have to unmute the channels and adjust the levels |
| 05:43.23 | ugly | tbx: alsa is muted by default |
| 05:43.35 | cougar` | It's gone |
| 05:43.42 | cougar` | PerfDave : Okay, killed bud |
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| 05:44.01 | daffy-pkf | i used a graphic program to easily define and create a keymap usable by x, but i don't remember the name, can someone help? |
| 05:44.04 | simonrvn | Bhaal: curious, why are you doing this? |
| 05:44.06 | tbx | jm_: not that - it doesn't even show up as an available mixer, either within gkrellm's volume plugin or aumix or rexima. |
| 05:44.13 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: xkeycaps |
| 05:44.17 | PerfDave | cougar`: That's a good start :) |
| 05:44.19 | daffy-pkf | jm_, thanks |
| 05:44.21 | jm_ | tbx: then the modules are not loaded |
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| 05:44.40 | tbx | jm_: ah, I need to do... modprobe sound, or modprobe nforce? |
| 05:44.45 | Bhaal | jm_: In that scenario Im assuming vnc would not be a good thing... Ive got x2x setup between 2 machines now, and that works okey, but the applications run on those individual machines... I was hoping more just to have them setup like Xterminals that I can scroll the mouse around on... |
| 05:44.55 | jm_ | tbx: load the module for it |
| 05:45.00 | PerfDave | cougar`: Out of interest, what IRC client are you using? |
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| 05:45.17 | pumpitup | whats the command again to make a process run in the background? |
| 05:45.34 | jm_ | Bhaal: can't recall any such app, which doesn't mean there is one ;) |
| 05:45.43 | PerfDave | pumpitup: Either run it as "command &", or interrupt it with Ctrl-Z and use "bg" to background it. Or run it in screen. Or run it with nohup. |
| 05:45.48 | pablum | pumpitup, bg |
| 05:46.04 | pablum | pumpitup, bg %n (where n is the job number) |
| 05:46.10 | pumpitup | oh yea thats it the & thanks :) |
| 05:46.21 | Bhaal | simonrvn: Very soon I am going to be required to monitor a few large sites for security and maintence purposes, would rathe have 1 control point... |
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| 05:46.38 | simonrvn | Bhaal: aah, i see. makes sense |
| 05:47.01 | tbx | jm_: modprobe -l | grep sound | grep nv = "/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/oss/nvsound.ko"; modprobe nvsound = nada |
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| 05:47.35 | simonrvn | i need to figure something out for here, plus another another offsite (from me) |
| 05:47.56 | tbx | jm_: waitaminit... why is that module listed under oss? how do I make it play with ALSA instead, or am I reading that wrong? |
| 05:48.03 | simonrvn | right now it's ssh sessions + screen monitoring logs |
| 05:48.03 | Oompa | Is anyone having problems getting stuff (thought apt-get) from ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 05:48.30 | PerfDave | Argh, cougar` went away and won't be able to come back. |
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| 05:49.01 | zite | how do I mount an ntfs partition? |
| 05:49.10 | simonrvn | hopefully s/he'll figure it out :/ |
| 05:49.19 | pablum | isn't cougar on a different box than the one being worked on? |
| 05:49.21 | PerfDave | zite: With mount, probably read-only |
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| 05:49.46 | zite | how do I find out which partition is the one I want? |
| 05:49.55 | jm_ | tbx: because you loaded OSS module instead of ALSA one |
| 05:50.09 | PerfDave | zite: "fdisk -l /dev/hdX" to list partitions, where hdX is your IDE device of choice (a,b,c,d). |
| 05:50.51 | zite | thanks |
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| 05:51.15 | tbx | jm_: well, that's the only one that showed up with my modprobe -l |
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| 05:51.55 | PerfDave | Bhaal: Have you looked into something like nagios for remote monitoring and alerts? |
| 05:52.10 | jm_ | tbx: no, you need to use i810 module |
| 05:52.14 | Bhaal | PerfDave: Havent touched anything as yet... |
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| 05:52.28 | PerfDave | Bhaal: Well, it might save you needing a nine monitor display ;) |
| 05:52.33 | Bhaal | PerfDave: And this wont be happening for a while yet... Im looking into the future... |
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| 05:52.46 | deigo | so annoying, i have a box im trying to remotely upgrade to 2.6 (and hearing its a bad idea again is really not what I need) and it reboots into the 2.6 fine (however I made it boot into the 2.6 using lilo -R in case it didn't work itd revert to the 2.4) |
| 05:52.50 | PerfDave | Yay, cougar` is back! |
| 05:52.50 | Bhaal | PerfDave: I like to keep an eye on good and bad stuff thats happening... |
| 05:52.54 | Oompa | Anyone having trouble downloading from http://ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 05:52.59 | PerfDave | Bhaal: That's what Nagios does for you :) |
| 05:53.15 | cougar` | PerfDave : Slowly timed out to the point where coudn't get back online bud. Had to get the IP of freenode from using my ISP DNS server/s |
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| 05:53.29 | shimano55 | Question, I'm having trouble connecting to an Apple Airport Extreme wirelessly. It works when I plug in the ethernet, but not with the wifi card. I have ndiswrapper and all, so the card is running fine with the system, and I've connected to a D-link router before. Can anyubody gimme a hand? |
| 05:53.37 | deigo | so at this point, it boots to the 2.6.8 kernel and when i run lilo again (without modifying the conf meaning that 2.4 is still the default) it dies, and if i mod it to make my 2.6 the default and run lilo, it dies, so basically, lilo dies. |
| 05:53.53 | deigo | and then i lose the net connection, and have to contact them to reboot it so it goes back into 2.4 |
| 05:54.05 | cougar` | PerfDave : Still have no DNS capability from any of the local machines including debian system. Killed the process you told me and confirmed it was gone |
| 05:54.46 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK |
| 05:55.13 | PerfDave | cougar`: If you can get back on IRC now, I suggest rebooting your Debian system. Something seems very screwed up from what you've shown me in /var/log, it may be a legacy of rapid changes earlier. |
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| 05:55.38 | cougar` | okay |
| 05:55.50 | deigo | so umm, maybe once i get into the 2.6 i should try running grub instead or something |
| 05:55.50 | deigo | lol |
| 05:55.53 | deigo | cause wtf. |
| 05:55.59 | Atula | for /boot, is it better to format it as ext2 or ext3? |
| 05:56.02 | deigo | thats not normal behavior, haning on a run of lilo |
| 05:56.05 | Atula | or does it matter at all? |
| 05:56.06 | PerfDave | deigo: Are you still running Woody? |
| 05:56.09 | deigo | nah |
| 05:56.09 | tbx | jm_: modprobe -l | grep sound | grep i810 = "/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/oss/i810_audio.ko" = also oss. Now I am really confused! |
| 05:56.10 | deigo | sarge |
| 05:56.11 | PerfDave | Atula: ext3 |
| 05:56.19 | PerfDave | deigo: I presume you dist-upgraded from woody though? |
| 05:56.20 | deigo | journaling is always better |
| 05:56.21 | cougar` | I'm lagged |
| 05:56.30 | deigo | yeah |
| 05:56.32 | Oompa | Can anyone help me? |
| 05:56.32 | shimano55 | i guess no one can :\ |
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| 05:56.38 | ugly | shimano55: it's just a standard 54g device, isn't it? |
| 05:56.39 | deigo | but im running a custom kernel |
| 05:56.40 | deigo | the 2.6 |
| 05:56.43 | deigo | is built from kernel-source |
| 05:56.49 | deigo | and the make-kpkg'd |
| 05:56.57 | cougar` | oky |
| 05:57.01 | PerfDave | deigo: OK, that'll explain why you're using lilo and not grub :) |
| 05:57.03 | cougar` | PerfDave : I'm going to reboot her now |
| 05:57.08 | PerfDave | cougar`: Best of luck :) |
| 05:57.14 | deigo | i don't mind switching to grub |
| 05:57.17 | ugly | shimano55: yea, 802.11g according to apple's site - is it using WEP or WPA? |
| 05:57.20 | deigo | but im wondering WHY this is happening with lilo |
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| 05:57.38 | deigo | running lilo on 2.4 works perfect, in the 2.6, it causes death |
| 05:57.38 | PerfDave | deigo: Running the command "lilo" causes it to hang? |
| 05:57.42 | deigo | yes |
| 05:57.47 | deigo | i didn't try lilo -v |
| 05:57.51 | PerfDave | shimano55: Sorry, I won't help with ndiswrapper stuff :) |
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| 05:58.01 | deigo | i tried lilo and also lilo -R Linux (<--2.4) |
| 05:58.05 | deigo | both hung it |
| 05:58.14 | PerfDave | Hung how? |
| 05:58.20 | jm_ | tbx: 1. why are you using a 386 kernel? 2. the module is there, it's called snd-intel something |
| 05:58.21 | cafuego | !dstats sarge |
| 05:58.25 | deigo | hung like it drops my net connect and all services |
| 05:58.29 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 05:58.29 | ugly | don't answer! |
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| 05:58.34 | deigo | its a colo |
| 05:58.34 | deigo | heh |
| 05:58.46 | ke6isf | holy smokes, it's huge! |
| 05:58.51 | ugly | !dstats sid |
| 05:58.59 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17140 packages, 1552 maintainers, 33985 MB installed size, 10912 MB compressed size. |
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| 05:59.13 | deigo | it sucks cause the 2.6 stays up and runs all my services |
| 05:59.19 | jm_ | deigo: did you check logs? does it print anything on console? |
| 05:59.21 | TNKS | hi all. I have a silly question. Sometimes, when I have some sort of binary dump to an xterm, it messes up the font-mapping. How do you revert to normal without closing the term? |
| 05:59.24 | deigo | but if it ever goes down, itll reboot into the 2.6 |
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| 05:59.32 | ugly | TNKS: 'reset' |
| 05:59.33 | PerfDave | deigo: Wow, that's really fucked up :) |
| 05:59.34 | deigo | as i said, its a colo, which i know is a no no when upgrading kernels |
| 05:59.35 | d0ma | got links to work thx |
| 05:59.37 | ke6isf | tkns: reset |
| 05:59.40 | ke6isf | tnks even |
| 05:59.42 | deigo | yes, yes it is |
| 05:59.42 | d0ma | now i need to get my x working |
| 05:59.55 | deigo | im thinking of running it in an strace or gdb window |
| 05:59.56 | d0ma | it says its not setup right how do i set it up properly.. its not loading |
| 06:00.03 | deigo | but having to call them to reboot it a bunch of times is getting annoying |
| 06:00.08 | shimano55 | perfdave, its not ndiswapper stuff...its networking stuff |
| 06:00.11 | cougar` | okay |
| 06:00.18 | ke6isf | d0ma: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:00.21 | cougar` | PerfDave : Restartin' now |
| 06:00.23 | shimano55 | ugly, WEP |
| 06:00.27 | PerfDave | shimano55: You're using ndiswrapper :) |
| 06:00.28 | Oompa | Can someone help me? |
| 06:00.39 | ke6isf | Oompa: what with? |
| 06:00.41 | PerfDave | WEP, AKA "pwn me now" |
| 06:00.52 | TNKS | ugly, thanks. I'm glad that's the last time I'll have to deal with that. |
| 06:00.54 | deigo | well, you do need to capture a sizable amount of traffic |
| 06:00.54 | Oompa | ke6isf: My internet is acting quite odd |
| 06:00.56 | d0ma | ke6isf: will it auto config? |
| 06:00.59 | deigo | like 6 hours |
| 06:00.59 | ugly | shimano55: do you have wireless-tools installed? |
| 06:01.06 | shimano55 | ugly, yeah-huh |
| 06:01.08 | ke6isf | Oompa: what are the symptoms? |
| 06:01.17 | pablum | WEP's big problems have been removed, or that's my understanding. |
| 06:01.22 | ke6isf | d0ma: You'll want to make selections here. |
| 06:01.24 | deigo | but in my building for example, thats not difficult, because i live here |
| 06:01.30 | deigo | pablum: theyve only made the keys longer |
| 06:01.33 | PerfDave | pablum: It's my understanding that WEP's big problems have been removed in WPA :) |
| 06:01.38 | d0ma | anything i should look out for? |
| 06:01.41 | deigo | which makes my traffic segment rquired to compute key longer |
| 06:01.51 | deigo | ermm |
| 06:01.51 | deigo | PerfDave |
| 06:01.54 | deigo | damn autocomplete |
| 06:01.55 | ke6isf | d0ma: Yeah, don't do something to make the magic smoke come out of your monitor. |
| 06:01.56 | tbx | jm_: 1) it's the kernel that was installed in this brand new, freshly installed sarge system. 2) Why would I use intel drivers when this is an Nvidia NForce-based board? |
| 06:02.01 | Oompa | ke6isf: I could ping google. then I tried apt-setup and no mirror seemed to work. No I try to ping google and it tells me "ping: unknown host www.google.com" |
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| 06:02.07 | d0ma | great lol thx |
| 06:02.08 | d0ma | brb |
| 06:02.12 | ugly | shimano55: so then you have your wireless_essid, mode, key1, and keymode set in your interfaces file? |
| 06:02.16 | deigo | so, nothing should really cause lilo to simply hang the comp right? |
| 06:02.32 | deigo | i should just switch to grub and be happy eh? |
| 06:02.33 | ke6isf | Oompa: Either your nameserver dropped off or you dropped off. |
| 06:02.36 | tbx | deigo: no, nothing but LILO itself is doing that. |
| 06:02.53 | Oompa | ke6isf" How would I go about fixing that? |
| 06:03.01 | ke6isf | Oompa: Do me a favor, can you ping 216.239.57.99 ? |
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| 06:03.38 | Oompa | ke5isf: Pinging now. It doesn't look to be responding. But we shall see. |
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| 06:03.55 | ke6isf | Oompa: semi important, is this the box you are IRCing on now? |
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| 06:03.58 | ugly | feel free not to respond, shimano55 |
| 06:03.59 | deigo | mkay |
| 06:04.01 | deigo | im back in 2.4 |
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| 06:04.06 | ugly | it makes helping fun |
| 06:04.07 | deigo | i just ran lilo |
| 06:04.08 | Oompa | ke6isf: No. it's not |
| 06:04.08 | deigo | and it ran fine |
| 06:04.13 | ke6isf | Oompa: OK, good. |
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| 06:04.40 | shimano55 | ugly, hold on |
| 06:04.44 | sykopomp | Problem: My sound is choppy, the volume constantly fluctuates, this is for all sound files I run... I currently have arts AND alsa packages installed... also alsa-oss, have no idea what other info might be helpful |
| 06:04.49 | simonrvn | @tell d0ma_ -about root |
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| 06:05.25 | d0ma | i cant get the proper syntax for dpkg to reconfigure x |
| 06:05.31 | ugly | hurry up, shimano55, I wanna jerk off soon |
| 06:05.31 | deigo | Jul 18 01:48:44 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data |
| 06:05.31 | deigo | mode. |
| 06:05.31 | deigo | Jul 18 02:02:30 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#17: restart. |
| 06:05.35 | simonrvn | @drxx d0ma |
| 06:05.37 | ravenbird | d0ma: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:05.39 | deigo | heh |
| 06:05.41 | deigo | nice gap |
| 06:05.44 | deigo | thats the hang |
| 06:05.45 | jm_ | tbx: 1. find something more suitable for your system, 2. it's not Intel only driver, it handles other chips as well - you can find all these details on ALSA page |
| 06:05.54 | d0ma | thats what i did but it didnt work |
| 06:06.08 | ke6isf | d0ma: what were the symptoms? |
| 06:06.25 | d0ma | it just said needa syntax |
| 06:06.30 | Oompa | ke6isf: Still no response. |
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| 06:06.51 | deigo | does grub have something like the lilo -R flag? |
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| 06:06.52 | tbx | jm_: okay, you've been more than patient with me. THank you. I will go back to searching. BTW, aptituding kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 already. |
| 06:06.53 | shimano55 | ugly, I do iwconfig wlan0 key1 and iwconfig wlan0 keymode...it won't accept them |
| 06:06.54 | ke6isf | Oompa: Do 'ifup interface', where interface is probably something like eth0 (or ppp0 if it's a ppp connection). |
| 06:07.05 | cougar` | PerfDave : I'm online without the use of the IP :P |
| 06:07.10 | ke6isf | d0ma: Need the exact error. |
| 06:07.15 | PerfDave | cougar`: The win is you! |
| 06:07.29 | cougar` | We did it bud |
| 06:07.31 | ugly | shimano55: I'll paste you what mine looks like in a query |
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| 06:07.39 | cougar` | Only thing is I can't refer to my machines the way I want to |
| 06:07.42 | Oompa | ke6isf: if said ifup: interface eth0 already configured. |
| 06:07.46 | cougar` | and resolv.conf is being over written |
| 06:07.50 | jm_ | tbx: great, then make sure it won't load OSS modules ("/msg dpkg blacklist" if it happens automatically, also remove them from /etc/modules if they're there) |
| 06:07.57 | ke6isf | Oompa: Then 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0'. |
| 06:08.10 | ke6isf | Oompa: Flash hook, as it were |
| 06:08.14 | PerfDave | cougar`: First things first. You've got your external DNS working from the Linux box, but no internal resolution? |
| 06:08.20 | cougar` | rgr |
| 06:08.27 | PerfDave | rgr? |
| 06:08.38 | cougar` | PerfDave : rgr. Using 'host apple.com' on Mac gives a result. |
| 06:08.39 | pablum | roger |
| 06:08.41 | ke6isf | ruman growth rormone. =^^= |
| 06:08.41 | cougar` | roger |
| 06:08.43 | Oompa | ke6isf: Ok. Now pinging again. |
| 06:08.45 | cougar` | Wait, whose roger? :P |
| 06:08.49 | pablum | roger == rgr |
| 06:09.00 | cougar` | rgr |
| 06:09.06 | Oompa | ke6isf: No response. |
| 06:09.14 | ke6isf | Oompa: =O.o= |
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| 06:09.31 | ke6isf | Oompa: ...is it plugged in? =O.o= Lights and everything? |
| 06:09.35 | cougar` | PerfDave : Don't think I'm gonna leave this community once we are done. I'll hang around and get to know da fellaz |
| 06:09.36 | d0ma | my problem is i have onboard video and i cant find the correct settings |
| 06:09.44 | d0ma | i was just loading vesa |
| 06:09.51 | d0ma | than i switched to vga for generic |
| 06:09.51 | Oompa | ke6isf: yes it is. I know it's extremely odd. Should I reboot it? |
| 06:10.04 | ke6isf | Oompa: If you want, though I don't think it'll do any good. |
| 06:10.17 | Oompa | ke6isf: Never know.. |
| 06:10.22 | ke6isf | d0ma: Doesn't there exist a driver for your card? |
| 06:10.36 | ke6isf | Oompa: True. |
| 06:10.39 | cougar` | PerfDave : resolv.conf contents has the contents from my ISP. Not using the nameserver 127.0.0.1. External name resolution is working from all machines on network. |
| 06:10.47 | d0ma | im sure there is but like i said its onboard and i have the slightest clue |
| 06:10.58 | ke6isf | d0ma: lspci |
| 06:11.00 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, that's a good start. |
| 06:11.00 | cougar` | internal name resolution is not, meaning, my custom names. |
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| 06:11.14 | d0ma | switch to lspci? |
| 06:11.16 | deigo | hmm |
| 06:11.18 | deigo | i wonder |
| 06:11.19 | Oompa | ke6isf: Ok. Rebooted. Can you give me that ip gagain? |
| 06:11.20 | cougar` | PerfDave : Yeah it is. THanks! |
| 06:11.30 | cougar` | to you that is. |
| 06:11.42 | PerfDave | cougar`: What IP address are your other machines getting from your DHCP server for the DNS server? |
| 06:11.45 | ke6isf | Oompa: 216.239.57.99 |
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| 06:11.58 | ke6isf | d0ma: No, 'lspci'. On the command line. |
| 06:12.20 | ke6isf | *blinkblink* |
| 06:12.27 | Oompa | ke6isf: Same thing. Network is unreachable. |
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| 06:12.48 | liable | Oompa: are you on local network? |
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| 06:12.56 | ke6isf | Oompa: Are you running ppp or otherwise have a dynamic IP? |
| 06:13.00 | Oompa | liable: Yes |
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| 06:13.02 | simonrvn | d0ma lspci -x |
| 06:13.06 | d0ma | its nVidia |
| 06:13.11 | liable | Oompa: can you ping local machines? |
| 06:13.19 | cougar` | 192.168.1/5 |
| 06:13.21 | ke6isf | d0ma: Are you by any chance running sid? |
| 06:13.22 | cougar` | oops |
| 06:13.22 | Oompa | ke6isf: I am on Cable. I have a dynamic IP but I put it to a static local IP. |
| 06:13.27 | llama32 | hoohsgirejgirngrffgv |
| 06:13.32 | llama32 | dhg |
| 06:13.32 | d0ma | i dont know |
| 06:13.32 | llama32 | h |
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| 06:13.37 | d0ma | its the default install |
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| 06:13.46 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
| 06:13.50 | Oompa | liable: No I can't. |
| 06:14.10 | ke6isf | d0ma: do 'cat /etc/debian_version' and paste the results. |
| 06:14.17 | positrix | i have come to the conclusion that one or more of the follwing suck: XFree86, my dads $10000 pioneer plasma-screen, or the 5-years-old video card in this laptop. |
| 06:14.28 | liable | Oompa: ok, can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces stuff on #flood, just for you network card. |
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| 06:14.31 | cougar` | PerfDave : Ip Addresses 192.168.2/5 <== All static using hardware address. Starts distrubuting IPs at 192.168.1.100/150 |
| 06:14.31 | ugly | definitely your dad's tv |
| 06:14.52 | ke6isf | positrix: A $10,000 television?! da hell... |
| 06:14.54 | llama32 | that flooding wasnt for the purpose of flooding, i was seeing if i was still connected :) |
| 06:14.56 | d0ma | i keep closing BitchX to get to a shell whats a faster way |
| 06:14.57 | simonrvn | E) all of the above |
| 06:15.06 | ke6isf | llama32: The bot don't care. |
| 06:15.09 | simonrvn | d03boy: man bash; ctrl-z |
| 06:15.09 | ugly | d0ma: apt-get install screen && man screen |
| 06:15.16 | simonrvn | err, d0ma ^^^ |
| 06:15.36 | simonrvn | or use the other VTs on the box... |
| 06:15.45 | ke6isf | d0ma: use Ctrl-Alt-Fn (where n is 1-6)\ |
| 06:15.49 | PerfDave | cougar`: No, not the IP addresses given to the machines, the IP address that the DHCP server tells the clients to use for DNS |
| 06:15.58 | cougar` | oh |
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| 06:16.05 | cougar` | PerfDave: 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:16.11 | ugly | no self-respecting geek uses the other VTs! (X not counting) |
| 06:16.25 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:16.32 | PerfDave | cougar`: Is that the DNS of the Linux box? |
| 06:16.38 | PerfDave | cougar`: Is that the IP of the Linux box, rather? |
| 06:16.44 | cougar` | PerfDave : rgr |
| 06:16.46 | deigo | why not just use a global dns server out of curiousity? |
| 06:16.53 | deigo | got some fake dns entries you want to work? |
| 06:16.56 | cougar` | PerfDave : Want me to paste the DHCPd subnet information |
| 06:16.56 | ke6isf | ugly: Jane, you ignorant slut! |
| 06:17.02 | positrix | the problem with using vt's for other shells is that you have to log into them. |
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| 06:17.33 | deigo | removing login processes tend to not be a good idea |
| 06:17.34 | PerfDave | cougar`: Please don't say "rgr", it's damn confusing. |
| 06:17.35 | d0ma | what am i looking for on lspci |
| 06:17.54 | PerfDave | cougar`: Sure, stick it in #flood |
| 06:17.54 | ke6isf | d0ma: Just the card type. You established that it's nvidia. |
| 06:17.57 | cougar` | PerfDave : Sorry, habbit from piloting, etc. |
| 06:18.06 | d0ma | so how do i determine the proper settings for x |
| 06:18.10 | cougar` | PerfDave: roger |
| 06:18.11 | tbx | d0ma: yes, I can vouch for screen - it is *critical* software! Easy as cherry chocolate brownies to use, too. |
| 06:18.13 | d0ma | based on nvidia being my video card |
| 06:18.23 | deigo | fuck it |
| 06:18.26 | ke6isf | !tell d0ma -about nvidia |
| 06:18.31 | deigo | i know it boots, should i just make the other one the default? |
| 06:18.33 | deigo | no |
| 06:18.41 | deigo | cause then i can't just have them reboot it if it fucks up |
| 06:18.43 | deigo | god damnit |
| 06:18.45 | deigo | this is annoying |
| 06:19.16 | d0ma | nvidia installer? |
| 06:19.25 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, and what happens if you run "host apollo" on your Mac? |
| 06:19.25 | nse | Hello everybody, in the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 do I need to set the name of a driver with the _drv.o like savage_drv.o or just savage? |
| 06:19.26 | ke6isf | Follow the bot's instructions. |
| 06:19.34 | PerfDave | nse: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 06:19.42 | cougar` | Works |
| 06:19.43 | tbx | d0ma: running that nvidia-one-liner worked for me, but I still have an issue with getting the right screen resolution. |
| 06:20.06 | tbx | d0ma: hookt on fonix workt for me too. |
| 06:20.15 | cougar` | PerfDave : Works! But keep in mind, resolv.conf still is not correctly edited to work with dnsmasq so I'm confused right now |
| 06:20.27 | PerfDave | cougar`: Uhm, you don't need to be confused. |
| 06:20.37 | cougar` | PerfDave : roger |
| 06:21.04 | PerfDave | cougar`: Your DHCP server is telling your Mac to use your Linux box as a DNS server. Your Mac is talking to the DNS server on your Linux box, which is dnsmasq. So that's working fine, all we need to do is get the Linux box to use dnsmasq too. |
| 06:21.25 | cougar` | PerfDave : if its working in a current set up. That means resolv.conf will always have the updated info from the ISP. and DNSMASQ will continue to work. Correct? |
| 06:21.42 | nse | PerfDave: I have to setup x to work with my new savage driver. Now i have the savage_drv.o file, pasting it /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers and setting it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 will do it? |
| 06:21.43 | cougar` | PerfDave : Sounds good |
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| 06:21.58 | PerfDave | cougar`: dnsmasq is working for the machines inside your network, not for your Linux box. That's the last thing we need to crack. |
| 06:22.10 | PerfDave | nse: Don't hand-edit your X config file. Use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 06:22.11 | litage | in vi, how does one replace dos-like carriage returns (^M) with unix-like newlines? |
| 06:22.23 | PerfDave | litage: use dos2unix :) |
| 06:22.24 | cougar` | PerfDave : roger! |
| 06:22.44 | litage | PerfDave: `apt-cache search dos2unix` and others similar returned nothing |
| 06:23.03 | PerfDave | litage: Search for it with apt-file or on http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 06:23.32 | balluu | ðóņņęčå åņōü? |
| 06:23.36 | litage | PerfDave: apt-file? |
| 06:23.50 | tbx | jm_: FYI, alsaconf finished me off just pimpy. Thank you for the lead that lead me to it. Much appreciated! |
| 06:23.53 | ke6isf | !english |
| 06:23.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 06:23.56 | PerfDave | litage: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 06:24.02 | litage | thanks |
| 06:24.02 | migma | !ru |
| 06:24.02 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 06:24.24 | shoutmaya | is it dangerous install the sarge package + sid package? |
| 06:24.38 | PerfDave | cougar`: The easiest way to do this is to uncomment the line in /etc/dhclient.conf which reads: #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 06:24.45 | balluu | psib |
| 06:24.47 | PerfDave | cougar`: Just remove the # from the start of that line |
| 06:24.51 | cougar` | hehe, I jsut relased the DNS info on my father's PC and I'm sitting here staring at a screen! I know I know! I should have done renew, but well, I forgot.... and not it's, IP less :P |
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| 06:25.10 | shoutmaya | hmm.. |
| 06:25.18 | cougar` | PerfDave : easiest way to do what bud? |
| 06:25.21 | shoutmaya | i use some sarge version package, and sid version package too. |
| 06:25.33 | PerfDave | cougar`: To get your Linux box able to resolve local hostnames too. |
| 06:25.34 | landslide | apt-get keeps telling me this: dpkg-preconfigure: cannot connect to X server |
| 06:25.40 | cougar` | okay |
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| 06:25.46 | PerfDave | shoutmaya: It's not the cleverest thing to do, and will soon break horribly. |
| 06:25.47 | landslide | is there a way to turn off the xwindow configuration and just use the ncursers one? |
| 06:26.04 | d0ma | im still having difficult with nvidia |
| 06:26.09 | shoutmaya | PerfDave, oh really? oops... so i have to use only one version? |
| 06:26.10 | cougar` | PerfDacve : I got rid of /etc/dhclient.conf .... cause I have one in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 06:26.17 | d0ma | i went to the website from the bot and cant seem to figure out what to do |
| 06:26.41 | PerfDave | cougar`: "got rid of" it how? |
| 06:26.49 | cougar` | rm'd |
| 06:26.55 | PerfDave | cougar`: That was possibly very silly. |
| 06:27.03 | PerfDave | cougar`: But try uncommenting that line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 06:27.07 | litage | PerfDave: `apt-file -s /etc/apt/sources.list search dos2unix` returns nothing. what am i doing wrong? |
| 06:27.08 | cougar` | Okay |
| 06:27.10 | cougar` | Done |
| 06:27.16 | shimano55 | Question, How do i save a file in nano? |
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| 06:27.29 | cougar` | PerfDave : I have 2 dhclients installed... one installed by the install, and one from dhcp3 pakage |
| 06:27.30 | PerfDave | litage: No idea, I don't use apt-file |
| 06:27.31 | migma | shimano55: ^O |
| 06:27.49 | forrudi2 | oh no channel... |
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| 06:27.55 | cougar` | Perfdave : at least I think. But the conf files were identical |
| 06:27.59 | d0ma | is there a easy way to install nvidia video drivers? |
| 06:28.04 | PerfDave | d0ma: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:28.08 | d0ma | i did |
| 06:28.11 | PerfDave | cougar`: Next time you get a DHCP lease from your ISP, your /etc/resolv.conf should have 127.0.0.1 listed as the first nameserver, followed by your ISP's nameserver IPs |
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| 06:28.14 | d0ma | sent me to a website where i went |
| 06:28.15 | PerfDave | d0ma: That's easy :) |
| 06:28.17 | cougar` | PerfDave : Okay, it uncommented. Now what do you want me to do? |
| 06:28.19 | ke6isf | PerfDave: I told him already. |
| 06:28.26 | d0ma | ke6isf how? |
| 06:28.29 | d0ma | im not understanding |
| 06:28.35 | PerfDave | cougar`: Wait, basically. |
| 06:28.47 | cougar` | I could bring ifdown-eth1 |
| 06:28.53 | ke6isf | d0ma: Rephrase/translate, I already piped the information to you. Best I could do here. |
| 06:28.53 | shimano55 | migma, what keys are those? |
| 06:29.01 | PerfDave | cougar`: You could, but then you'd drop your connection ;) |
| 06:29.01 | migma | shimano55: that's Ctrl + o |
| 06:29.06 | shimano55 | ok |
| 06:29.08 | shimano55 | thanks |
| 06:29.11 | migma | :-) |
| 06:29.21 | PerfDave | cougar`: Next time you get a DHCP lease from your ISP, dhclient3 should prepend 127.0.0.1 to the list of DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf. This means that DNS lookups on your system will try using dnsmasq first. |
| 06:29.45 | nse | PerfDave: Ok I understand now how the config file works. Thanks. |
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| 06:30.20 | Terra-Niux | hello, can I get some help? I'm trying to make a bash script that updates my DNS according to my IP im trying to do lynx -dump http://ipaddressnow.com | grep -l '60.' but it simply outputs "Your IP is <iphere>" any idea how to just output the IP and not "Your IP is "? |
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| 06:30.39 | cougar` | PerfDave : I should remain connected. We'll soon find out. In the mean time, explain to me how in the heck is this working. Dnsmasq needs nameserver 127.0.0.1 only, and then it uses a resolv-file to which has the DNS servers in it. Yet, it working :( I hate that. |
| 06:30.41 | Hamselv | how can I install mysql-server without having to install exim ?? |
| 06:30.47 | PerfDave | nse: Bear in mind that I've never done this, it's just from reading the manpage ;0 |
| 06:30.50 | Guerin | Terra-Niux: there's one which just outputs the ip addy |
| 06:30.54 | Guerin | lemme look for it |
| 06:30.59 | Hamselv | it really annoys me right now |
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| 06:31.13 | Terra-Niux | what is it? I need it for a bash script |
| 06:31.17 | cougar` | okay |
| 06:31.35 | Terra-Niux | so I can use it in an argument for my perl script |
| 06:31.41 | Hamselv | how can I install mysql-server without having to install exim ?? |
| 06:31.44 | cougar` | PerfDave: nameserver 127.0.0.1 is at the top of the resolv.conf |
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| 06:31.59 | PerfDave | cougar`: It's very simple. dnsmasq is running on your Linux box. It uses /etc/resolv.conf to grab the IP addresses of your ISP's nameservers. When it gets a request, if it's a local request then it replies using the information in /etc/hosts, and if it's not then it forwards the request on to your ISP's nameservers. |
| 06:32.09 | PerfDave | cougar`: Good. Does "host apollo" work on the Linux box now? |
| 06:32.13 | migma | !repeat |
| 06:32.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 06:32.13 | cougar` | PerfDave : 'host apollo' from Linux box works! |
| 06:32.32 | PerfDave | cougar`: We win! :) |
| 06:32.33 | pablum | Terra-Niux, you are already using Perl, why not do it with Perl? |
| 06:32.38 | lcore | Firewall questions: I've noticed NEW connection outgoing from my tcp80 port to my ISP network addresses ports 4328 and 4802. What could tickle this (apache2 listening on port 80?). Can this be a sign of intrusion? |
| 06:32.45 | cougar` | PerfWin : yeah we do! |
| 06:32.47 | cougar` | LOL |
| 06:32.51 | Terra-Niux | coz I dont know perl |
| 06:32.53 | cougar` | PerfDave : Thanks alot man! |
| 06:32.56 | landslide | apt-get keeps telling me this: dpkg-preconfigure: cannot connect to X server |
| 06:32.59 | landslide | is there a way to turn off the xwindow configuration and just use the ncursers one? |
| 06:33.01 | Hamselv | migma: answer me instead |
| 06:33.04 | Hamselv | fucko |
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| 06:33.13 | migma | idiot. |
| 06:33.25 | PerfDave | cougar`: Do you understand the first part? That dnsmasq is running, using /etc/hosts to serve local results and /etc/resolv.conf to get the IP addresses of your ISP's nameservers so it can forward on non-local requests? |
| 06:33.30 | ke6isf | Great, let's help the guy who cussed you out! |
| 06:33.31 | cougar` | Really appreciate it. Now to reply to your explanation : But DNSMASQ says to edit resolv.conf to have 127.0.0.1 as the name server. Yet, I have search, and a bunch of name servers |
| 06:33.34 | Terra-Niux | I just need to somehow get my IP from my router, I cant do that with lynx -dump because lynx doesnt support java |
| 06:33.41 | Guerin | Terra-Niux: there's a site which, when you go to it, just gives a plaintext page with "123.456.789.0' |
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| 06:33.46 | Guerin | or whatever your ip is |
| 06:33.54 | Terra-Niux | got a url? |
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| 06:34.12 | cougar` | PerfDave : replying to your second question... hehe :P |
| 06:34.29 | PerfDave | cougar`: We'll get to that eventually. Do you understand what I've said so far, about dnsmasq using /etc/hosts for local resolution, and the DNS servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf for non-local requests? |
| 06:34.54 | cougar` | PerfDave : yes |
| 06:35.17 | liable | landslide: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 06:35.21 | cougar` | PerfDave : Did not know that /etc/hosts was local requests and resolv.conf was non-local requests - NOW I do though |
| 06:35.21 | Guerin | Terra-Niux: looking for it. something.flashfxp.com, but i can't remember what |
| 06:35.29 | Terra-Niux | okay |
| 06:35.42 | PerfDave | cougar`: OK, so this is why the machines on your network were working fine - when they wanted to resolve a domain name, they talked to your Linux box (since the DHCP server told them to), and dnsmasq answered them for both local and non-local requests. |
| 06:35.47 | shoutmaya | oh, xorg into debian sid! |
| 06:35.56 | cougar` | okay |
| 06:36.01 | deigo | night all |
| 06:36.05 | shoutmaya | hehe |
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| 06:36.14 | cougar` | PerfDave : roger |
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| 06:36.29 | shoutmaya | i have nvidia card, but it does not work Composite and Dropshadow... |
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| 06:36.35 | ph8 | Morning all |
| 06:36.42 | PerfDave | cougar`: It's not quite like that. /etc/resolv.conf details DNS information. /etc/hosts contains shortcuts around the DNS, listing IP addresses and machine names. dnsmasq is a program which basically lets you serve /etc/hosts as a DNS server to the other machines on your network. |
| 06:36.45 | shoutmaya | morning |
| 06:36.53 | ph8 | I'm trying to install MySQL-devel on a debian system |
| 06:36.58 | ph8 | and it's not on apt-get |
| 06:37.01 | ph8 | which is curious |
| 06:37.06 | ph8 | However the following packages replace it: |
| 06:37.10 | ph8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.15 | ph8 | Does anyone know if that = the same thing~? |
| 06:37.31 | Terra-Niux | are you compiling? |
| 06:37.50 | ph8 | compiling what? |
| 06:38.14 | karsten | ph8: Um. What are you developing? |
| 06:38.14 | ph8 | oh you mean what wants mysql-devel? |
| 06:38.15 | cougar` | PerfDave : Okay, now I understand. btw, tried to do a ssh mercury, name of server, from Mac box and said no address associated with node name. When I do 'host mercury' I get 127.0.0.1 :( |
| 06:38.20 | karsten | ph8: Are you looking for mysql sources? |
| 06:38.24 | PerfDave | cougar`: So all your other machines were using dnsmasq happily, but your Linux box wasn't, since its /etc/resolv.conf only contained information about your ISP's nameservers, not about dnsmasq running on 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:38.26 | ph8 | Not sure actually, one of the other users on my machine has requested it |
| 06:38.45 | PerfDave | cougar`: Hang on, one thing at at time |
| 06:39.09 | karsten | ph8: OK. mysql "development" environment would tend to be the relevant MySQL libs for some other facility: Perl, Python, R, Ruby, PHP, etc. |
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| 06:39.19 | ph8 | Hmm |
| 06:39.22 | ph8 | I doubt the guys doing any of that |
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| 06:39.27 | ph8 | he's a bit new |
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| 06:39.31 | karsten | ph8: MySQL *sources* would be the source package of MySQL. |
| 06:39.36 | Guerin | Terra-Niux: http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/ |
| 06:39.39 | Guerin | !win me |
| 06:39.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 06:39.42 | karsten | ph8: Sounds like you need more info. |
| 06:39.46 | Guerin | dpkg: already got one |
| 06:39.48 | ph8 | I'm just emailed him back |
| 06:39.51 | karsten | ph8: Learn to love apt-cache & search. |
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| 06:39.56 | karsten | ph8: OK. |
| 06:40.01 | ph8 | i've searched for mysql-devel |
| 06:40.02 | karsten | !tell Gokee2 about knoppix |
| 06:40.06 | ph8 | If i just install all those libraries though... |
| 06:40.07 | karsten | ph8: Dittos ;-) |
| 06:40.08 | ph8 | isn't that the same? |
| 06:40.17 | karsten | ph8: That really depends on what it is he's doing. |
| 06:40.33 | Guerin | dpkg, ip is also to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/ |
| 06:40.34 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 06:40.35 | ke6isf | !knoppixsmite Gokee2 |
| 06:40.46 | karsten | ph8: ... and given how MySQL is typically used, that can cover a lot of ground. |
| 06:40.54 | cougar` | PerfDave : Okay, I understand why it's not working. But I don't understand why, if I followed DNSMASQ instructions, was it not working. The only thing I can come up with is DNSMASQ is not supposed to natively support what I was doing with the name shortcuts |
| 06:40.56 | PerfDave | cougar`: The change we made to dhclient.conf basically said "each time we get DNS server information from the ISP, prepend 127.0.0.1 to the list of DNS servers it gives us before writing that list to /etc/resolv.conf". That means that DNS lookups on the Linux box will go to dnsmasq, since it tries them in order. If dnsmasq can't resolve it, then it will use the *other* servers listed. |
| 06:40.56 | ph8 | k, ty. |
| 06:41.26 | cougar` | PerfDave : awesome! |
| 06:41.31 | Guerin | christ, are you guys still working on that dnsmasq problem? |
| 06:41.38 | PerfDave | Guerin: I think it's sorted now |
| 06:41.43 | PerfDave | cougar`: I have no idea why dnsmasq wasn't working for you, it's always been fine for me when I followed the instructions. My only guess is that something got confused by lots of changes to things, and the reboot cleared that. |
| 06:42.32 | cougar` | PerfDave : Do I need the resolv-file resolv.dnsmasq anymore? |
| 06:42.37 | Terra-Niux | woot Guerin, you're a champ! |
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| 06:43.06 | PerfDave | cougar`: I don't know what that file is. If things are working now, I'd leave it ;) |
| 06:43.07 | cougar` | PerfDave : I was using resolv.conf as nameserver 127.0.0.1 and DNSMASQ was supposed to use for non-local requests resolv.dnsmasq located in /etc/ |
| 06:43.30 | PerfDave | cougar`: Hmm, perhaps you were following different instructions from me. |
| 06:43.33 | cougar` | PerfDave : Right now we have resolv.conf and resolv.dnsmasq combined :P |
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| 06:44.00 | cougar` | PerfDave: Look at your dnsmasq.conf |
| 06:44.15 | deadcat | i have a pythong script that fails on "from version import VERSION", what do i need? |
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| 06:44.22 | pablum | !ip |
| 06:44.22 | dpkg | pablum IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is) |
| 06:44.49 | PerfDave | cougar`: I'm looking at it. There's no /etc/resolv.dnsmasq listed |
| 06:44.49 | knopp1x_user | I am trying to boot into debian after iinstalling windows... How do I make grub work again? |
| 06:45.00 | d0ma | how do i run a .run installer? |
| 06:45.01 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 06:45.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:45.09 | cougar` | PerfDave : look for the resolv-file= declaration |
| 06:45.15 | PerfDave | cougar`: Mine is commented out. |
| 06:45.29 | PerfDave | d0ma: Don't use the nvidia .run installer, it will break your system. /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
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| 06:45.39 | cougar` | PerfDave : Mine wasn't, prolyl why it wasn't working |
| 06:45.52 | knopp1x_user | Can anyone help me? |
| 06:45.56 | PerfDave | cougar`: I'd comment it out now and restart dnsmasq. |
| 06:46.07 | d0ma | well the howto is complicated |
| 06:46.08 | cougar` | yeah, did |
| 06:46.12 | d0ma | so i figured id try the installer |
| 06:46.17 | ke6isf | I swear, if I had a drink for every "doesn't work" or debian based come in here in a day, I'd be a puddle. |
| 06:46.18 | cougar` | it's working |
| 06:46.32 | PerfDave | d0ma: You didn't read the information that dpkg gave you, clearly, since that *tells* you not to use the .run |
| 06:46.39 | PerfDave | d0ma: It's not complicated, it's practically a one-liner. |
| 06:46.44 | daxxar | Hm. Is there something like php5 backported to debian stable? |
| 06:46.46 | d0ma | the oneliner didnt work |
| 06:46.52 | PerfDave | d0ma: What do you mean, "didn't work"? |
| 06:46.55 | knopp1x_user | SIMEINE HELP ME! |
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| 06:47.01 | knopp1x_user | someone* |
| 06:47.05 | d0ma | it got stuck on m-a a-i |
| 06:47.08 | cougar` | PerfDave : now all I need to do is get mercury from referring to 127.0.0.1 : I will assume I use /etc/hosts |
| 06:47.14 | PerfDave | cougar`: Yes |
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| 06:47.30 | simonrvn | @kill knopp1x_user |
| 06:47.33 | PerfDave | d0ma: "got stuck"? please don't be vague, it makes it very hard for people to help you, and less likely that they will want to try. |
| 06:47.40 | d0ma | nvidia-kernel-source install |
| 06:47.52 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: You need to be specific on what the symptoms are. |
| 06:47.54 | PerfDave | d0ma: What command did you use, what error messages did you get? |
| 06:47.56 | d0ma | the source failed |
| 06:48.03 | PerfDave | !vagueness |
| 06:48.03 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 06:48.06 | d0ma | the bots one-liner |
| 06:48.08 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: And manners would help, as well. |
| 06:48.09 | knopp1x_user | simonrvn, What the hell am I soposed to boot up into after my boot loaders gone? Whinshit???? |
| 06:48.14 | spart_ | how can i re-install a package properly? If i do an apt-get remove, then apt-get install on the same package it's not actually reinstalling (not reconfiguring it) |
| 06:48.34 | d0ma | i cant copy/paste or i would |
| 06:48.35 | PerfDave | d0ma: Right, I'm not going to help you unless you start actually giving me some damn information. |
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| 06:48.37 | pureone | spart_ apt-get --purge remove package |
| 06:48.37 | knopp1x_user | Sorry I am a little annoyed right now |
| 06:48.39 | simonrvn | knopp1x_user: we don't read minds |
| 06:48.54 | d0ma | it says i should add something the source.lists |
| 06:48.58 | spart_ | pureone thanks |
| 06:49.03 | knopp1x_user | Anyway My boot loader is gone and I am trying to get it back |
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| 06:49.16 | knopp1x_user | How should I go about doing that? |
| 06:49.17 | deadcat | are there daemons that denies ssh brute force? denyhosts.py seems ok but it runs on crontab. no point if you want to block someone while your ssh is being abused. |
| 06:49.22 | daxxar | Ah. Backports.org has it. :) |
| 06:49.29 | pureone | or use aptitude purge package && aptitude install package |
| 06:49.32 | PerfDave | d0ma: I suggest reading the information from dpkg again, trying it step by step, and letting us know what command gives you a problem, and what error message it gives you. |
| 06:49.36 | knopp1x_user | I had debian set up grub for me when I installed it |
| 06:49.42 | ke6isf | !tell knopp1x_user -about rescue |
| 06:49.44 | d0ma | ok |
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| 06:49.54 | cougar` | PerfDave : Once I edited hosts, how do I get everything to use the updated version? |
| 06:50.05 | PerfDave | deadcat: There's a very cute thing on debian-administration.org about automatically firewalling off SSH from machines that try to connect too rapidly. |
| 06:50.15 | PerfDave | cougar`: It should Just Work, you may want to try restarting dnsmasq. |
| 06:50.22 | deadcat | PerfDave: thanks. you have the link as well ? (+ |
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| 06:50.34 | PerfDave | deadcat: http://www.debian-administration.org/ ;p |
| 06:50.38 | mefistofeles | anyone?? |
| 06:50.43 | simonrvn | i have ssh-related iptables rules that do some nice limiting and auto-banning ;) |
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| 06:50.58 | deadcat | PerfDave: arg. hehe |
| 06:51.05 | ke6isf | mefistofeles: Foo! |
| 06:51.07 | simonrvn | coupled with ssh sentry, it's killer |
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| 06:51.17 | simonrvn | mefistofeles: no one? |
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| 06:51.18 | cougar` | Awesome! |
| 06:51.32 | therealgalen | hey, i'm working on plans for a debian/mythtv box and i'm trying to figure out RAID card support.. it's turning out to be a tricky thing... can anybody offers some help here, or point me in the right direction? I'm looking at promise SATA RAID cards right now... |
| 06:51.43 | spart_ | pureone it still not reconfiguring it on the install :-/ |
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| 06:51.58 | mefistofeles | ke6isf, hehe.... my Linux distro is alive again! |
| 06:52.04 | cougar` | PerfDave : Now all is left is get my firewall.sh script to load on start up and I'm golden! |
| 06:52.05 | ke6isf | !tell therealgalen -about mythtv |
| 06:52.07 | nse | Hello, I did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 recently, and settet it up to work with the savage driver. But in the x config file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 still saying thta my Device is vesa, instead of my new savage one. What to do? |
| 06:52.09 | ke6isf | !tell therealgalen -about sata |
| 06:52.18 | jm_ | nse: /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 06:52.27 | ke6isf | mefistofeles: And there was much rejoicing. |
| 06:52.57 | mefistofeles | ke6isf, rejoicing??..what is that? :P |
| 06:53.05 | simonrvn | @dict rejoice |
| 06:53.06 | daxxar | Where can I find a listing of what the different unstable/stable/testing are now? (woody, sid, etcetera) |
| 06:53.11 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'rejoice' (1 of 7): \Re*joice"\ (r[-e]*jois"), v. i. [imp. & p. p. {Rejoiced} (-joist"); p. pr. & vb. n. {Rejoicing} (-joi"s?ng).] [OE. rejoissen, OF. resjouir, resjoir, F. r['e]jouir; pref. re- re- + OF. esjouir, esjoir, F. ['e]jouir, to rejoice; pref. es- (L. ex-) + OF. jouir, joir, F. jouir, from L. gaudere to rejoice. See {Joy}.] To feel joy; to ... |
| 06:53.16 | nse | jm_: I'm not hand-editting it. |
| 06:53.19 | cougar` | PerfDave : Thanks alot man! Really appreciate it. Ever need anything in the Mac department or whatever, jsut let me know. I'll be hanging around here : Can learn alot and hopefully I can help others. |
| 06:53.27 | Guerin | hehe |
| 06:53.32 | PerfDave | daxxar: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 06:53.32 | Guerin | PerfDave using a mac |
| 06:53.35 | Guerin | there's a funny thought |
| 06:53.41 | PerfDave | cougar`: Cheers. I don't use Macs on principle :) |
| 06:53.43 | daxxar | thanks PerfDave :) |
| 06:53.52 | simonrvn | cougar`: a nice dual proc g5? ;p |
| 06:53.58 | jm_ | nse: compare the md5sum like the factoid says |
| 06:54.08 | pablum | simonrvn, where's that definition from? |
| 06:54.10 | cougar` | PerfDave : Okay |
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| 06:54.27 | cougar` | Simonrvn : I wish. If I could, I'd hook us all up |
| 06:54.27 | simonrvn | online free dict, not sure which one it fetched that from |
| 06:54.37 | simonrvn | cougar`: yeh, me too, heh :) |
| 06:55.37 | cougar` | $2,097,000 |
| 06:55.51 | simonrvn | crap, why is my down going at 42 kB/s ? |
| 06:55.52 | cougar` | to buy everyone G5 Dual 2.5GHz :P |
| 06:56.02 | daxxar | What does "Ign http//source.url" on apt-get update mean? |
| 06:56.04 | simonrvn | for 699 people? |
| 06:56.04 | mefistofeles | ok i gtg cya in hell! |
| 06:56.07 | cougar` | rgr |
| 06:56.10 | cougar` | I didn't figure tax :P |
| 06:56.12 | PerfDave | cougar`: It's OK, I don't want one ;) |
| 06:56.21 | cougar` | PerfDave : Why don't u like Macs man? |
| 06:56.27 | Guerin | !u |
| 06:56.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:56.39 | simonrvn | cougar`: fyi, #debianppc |
| 06:56.42 | d0ma | ok the problem is catching where its calling to install nvidia-kernel-common, it cant find it. i tried adding the proper line to /etc/apt/source.list but im not sure the proper line to add |
| 06:56.49 | cougar` | simonrvn : roger |
| 06:56.50 | PerfDave | cougar`: I don't like Apple, or their business practices, or OS X :) |
| 06:56.55 | sykopomp | d0ma |
| 06:57.05 | sykopomp | use the Debian HOT-TO for that |
| 06:57.09 | sykopomp | HOW-TO |
| 06:57.10 | daxxar | I'm trying to get PHP5 on Debian Stable (sarge) |
| 06:57.11 | Guerin | HOT-TO |
| 06:57.14 | cougar` | Hey perfDave : Do you know ipTables well, or close to well? |
| 06:57.17 | Guerin | daxxar: why? |
| 06:57.18 | simonrvn | oh like inhel is any better, or ibm. hint: they're all in it for the $$ |
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| 06:57.23 | simonrvn | duh |
| 06:57.31 | PerfDave | cougar`: Not terribly well, no. |
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| 06:57.38 | daxxar | Guerin: To get the PHP5 OO. |
| 06:57.45 | sykopomp | I installed the new nvidia drivers flawlessly last night... but you need to do it the Debian way |
| 06:57.45 | nse | jm_: Worked! Thanks, let me test my new driver... |
| 06:57.48 | sykopomp | otherwise it won't work |
| 06:57.51 | Vender | does anyone have any experience with the PRISM54 driver? |
| 06:57.52 | PerfDave | d0ma: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 06:57.59 | sykopomp | there we go |
| 06:58.02 | sykopomp | thank you Perf >.> |
| 06:58.04 | daxxar | So I added "deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable ucf", "deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sarge" and "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sarge" to my sources list. But the latter to show up as "Ign URL" when I apt-get update. |
| 06:58.08 | sykopomp | for the help that is lol |
| 06:58.11 | PerfDave | sykopomp: :) |
| 06:58.19 | Guerin | daxxar: why? |
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| 06:58.43 | daxxar | Guerin: Because it's a language-feature that would greatly ease the development of this particular project. |
| 06:58.44 | therealgalen | Hmmmm I read over the links in regards to RAID (already knew all about mythtv), but now I'm trying to figure out what cards are actually true hardware raids and which are not real hardware raids... |
| 06:59.00 | tbx | simonrvn: pearhips, but I can git into an inhel or ibm [it's a Harley... compatible] for way the hell less than I could get into an equivalent McPewter. |
| 06:59.00 | Guerin | daxxar: why are you adding two separate, probably conflicting repos? |
| 06:59.04 | Vender | If anyone has any experience with debian and the PRISM 54 driver, please dcc me |
| 06:59.19 | daxxar | Guerin: Because that's how I understood the page located at http://people.debian.org/~dexter/ |
| 06:59.21 | simonrvn | tbx: english? |
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| 06:59.33 | d0ma | PerfDave: it cant locate nvidia-kernel-common to install it even after source.list was updated |
| 06:59.38 | cougar` | PerfDave : Man, macs are the future man. I predicted this a long time ago. You had Microsoft, and you had Mac. and I said Microsoft and Apple will fall to a greater combination. And look what happened... Apple now going to use Intel. And they are goin to allow any OS to be installed on the Apple machine. BUT, Apple won't be allowing OS X to be install on non Apple machines. |
| 06:59.41 | tbx | simonrvn: Yes. |
| 06:59.42 | daxxar | It says "PHP5 for woody", so I tried doing the same, just for sarge, since woody was the old stable, and there was a sarge-folder on there. |
| 06:59.42 | PerfDave | d0ma: Did you apt-get update? |
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| 06:59.43 | simonrvn | tbx: FYI, i'm knocking them equally here, in case you missed that |
| 06:59.49 | d0ma | yes |
| 06:59.59 | d0ma | no such file or directory |
| 07:00.02 | Guerin | daxxar: does it say sarge there? |
| 07:00.03 | PerfDave | cougar`: Apple are bastards, their OS sucks, and I will have nothing to do with them. |
| 07:00.05 | tbx | simonrvn: FYI, I'm joining into the knocking fray here, in case you missed that. |
| 07:00.11 | d0ma | im thinking the line in source.list is not accurate |
| 07:00.13 | PerfDave | d0ma: As root? |
| 07:00.15 | d0ma | yes |
| 07:00.22 | cougar` | PerfDave: How can u say their OS Sucks? |
| 07:00.25 | simonrvn | tbx: the idea of loyalty to a corporation makes me sick. np :) |
| 07:00.27 | daxxar | Guerin, no, but I assumed it was just not updated. http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5/sarge/ exists, so I assumed the page was just not updated. |
| 07:00.32 | PerfDave | cougar`: I've used it? :) |
| 07:00.36 | sykopomp | Apple suks ktx :( |
| 07:00.38 | PerfDave | d0ma: You typed "apt-get update" and it said "no such file or directory"? |
| 07:00.40 | daxxar | And the path is last modified 4th of july. |
| 07:00.41 | Guerin | daxxar: right. well, i don't know, then, |
| 07:00.46 | resiak | cougar`: Because there's such a thing as an opinion. |
| 07:00.49 | sykopomp | I'm a film major and I still refuse to use it >.> |
| 07:00.55 | Guerin | sykopomp: heh |
| 07:01.03 | d0ma | i typed apt-get install |
| 07:01.06 | tbx | simonrvn: and with McPeople, it is well and truly a religeon, which giveth me the holy heebie jeebies. |
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| 07:01.08 | daxxar | And sarge went stable at 6th of june, so it was after that. |
| 07:01.10 | sykopomp | Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 does the same... |
| 07:01.14 | simonrvn | fuck, i think i need to edit my in-memory iptables rules... |
| 07:01.16 | sykopomp | and I don't do HQ so that's it |
| 07:01.20 | sykopomp | I like the iPod though |
| 07:01.21 | cougar` | PerfDave : roger. Never met anyone to have such a strong opinion towards OS X. Most people I know want OS X on their PC. |
| 07:01.22 | PerfDave | tbx: Now now, it's iPeople now |
| 07:01.24 | Vender | i would think that in a channel like this, we have graduated beyond the apple vs microsoft vs linux debate |
| 07:01.24 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:01.30 | Guerin | ipod is the thing i hate most about crapple |
| 07:01.32 | tbx | PerfDave: iStand iCorrected. |
| 07:01.36 | PerfDave | cougar`: I'd rather have a Free operating sytem. |
| 07:01.44 | simonrvn | tbx: all of them treat people like they're stupid. |
| 07:01.46 | d0ma | apt-get install ok |
| 07:01.48 | d03boy | i heard my name |
| 07:01.48 | Guerin | Vender: you'd think so, but. |
| 07:01.49 | Hellmark | ok, I'm sure this has already been asked, but any tips for switching to the new gcc packages, or a good estimate on whenmost things will be switched over? |
| 07:01.50 | sykopomp | but Apple just likes making things look pretty |
| 07:01.51 | daxxar | Guerin, you have no suggestions? Apt-get update throws no errors, only Get:1 URL, Ign Url, Get:2 URL2, Ign URL2. |
| 07:01.52 | d0ma | it wored |
| 07:01.53 | sykopomp | that's about it :P |
| 07:01.54 | cougar` | PerfDave : okay |
| 07:02.02 | tbx | Corporations Kill. |
| 07:02.14 | d03boy | odd... oh well, back to reading |
| 07:02.15 | Guerin | daxxar: nah. just toy around with it a bit |
| 07:02.15 | tbx | ... only slightly less frequently than the governments they own. |
| 07:02.26 | sykopomp | so anyways... |
| 07:02.34 | sykopomp | Problem: My sound is choppy, the volume constantly fluctuates, this is for all sound files I run... I currently have arts AND alsa packages installed... also alsa-oss, have no idea what other info might be helpful |
| 07:02.35 | PerfDave | iPods are crap, but not half as bad as iTunes :) |
| 07:02.37 | cougar` | PerfDave : Reason I asked about iPTables is I have a nice rule set, but I'm not sure what I need and don't need ya know. Is it to extreme for what I'm tryin' to do... etc |
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| 07:02.40 | Vender | i dont mean to interrupt the arguement, but i have an actual real problem with the PRISM54 driver. If anyone thinks they can help, please let me know as i am quite in need. ;-) |
| 07:02.42 | knopp1x_user | ke6isf I looked at what it said about grub but I did not figur out how to get grub to write to the master boot recourd.... Can you help me? |
| 07:03.03 | PerfDave | cougar`: The documentation about iptables and firewalling in general on http://www.netfilter.org/ is very good. |
| 07:03.14 | tbx | PerfDave: bittorrent = [iTunes] /!= suckers |
| 07:03.15 | simonrvn | tbx: nail. hit. head. hammer. |
| 07:03.17 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: Suggested running rescue, did that not help? |
| 07:03.36 | cougar` | What the command to allow me to add a script into the start up chain? |
| 07:03.46 | simonrvn | tbx: wrt quote: "Corporations Kill. ... only slightly less frequently than the governments they own." |
| 07:03.56 | d0ma | it says: Bad Luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel could not be found.... |
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| 07:04.14 | knopp1x_user | ke6isf, I did not find anything about "rescue" on that page.. Only a faq? |
| 07:04.25 | simonrvn | iptables -vnxL | grep blacklist | wc -l == 2332 |
| 07:04.28 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:04.31 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: Do you have your Debian install CD/floppies/whatever? |
| 07:04.49 | simonrvn | minus about 3 or 4 for setting up the user table |
| 07:05.16 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Seriously, check out the article on d-a, it seems pretty awesome and less cumbersome than adding extra rules for each IP you don't like |
| 07:05.23 | Hellmark | ok, I guess the answer for the gcc ABI migration tips would be a no |
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| 07:05.39 | cougar` | PerfDave : What is the command to allow me to add a script into the start up chain? Contents of /etc/init.d/ starts automatically right? |
| 07:05.50 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: If you do, boot off of those, hit F1, and follow the menu; there's an option for "rescue" in there someplace, I believe. Use it. |
| 07:06.05 | simonrvn | PerfDave: it's not on a per-proto basis, it's a complete ban |
| 07:06.15 | sykopomp | should I post my problem again?... |
| 07:06.17 | knopp1x_user | ke6isf, I don`t think I have the disks around anymore |
| 07:06.27 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: ebbeh... |
| 07:06.29 | PerfDave | simonrvn: This could be adapted for that trivially, I think. |
| 07:06.49 | PerfDave | cougar`: No, contents of /etc/init.d are called by symlinks in /etc/rc?.d - I think there should be some script to load firewall rules at boot automatically anyway, try looking in /usr/share/doc/iptables/ for info. |
| 07:07.03 | simonrvn | PerfDave: well, point me at the URI, i'll go see if it's what i have in mind or not |
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| 07:07.13 | llama32 | i have genetic alg + neural network code, but need something to do with it. ideas??? |
| 07:07.31 | knopp1x_user | ke6isf, Is there no easyer way to make grub work? With lilo all I had to do was chroot in and type "lilo" and poof everything worked |
| 07:07.35 | simonrvn | llama32: go ask the mit ai lab |
| 07:07.52 | llama32 | simonrvn: no thanks |
| 07:07.56 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: man grub? |
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| 07:08.05 | PerfDave | simonrvn: http://www.debian-administration.org/ - well worth adding to your RSS reader |
| 07:08.17 | simonrvn | llama32: just wondering how you'd react to that =;) |
| 07:08.34 | knopp1x_user | ke6isf, I could not find my anser there very fast |
| 07:08.36 | Vender | llama32: use it to breed a new drug test resistant strain of marijuana ? |
| 07:08.39 | llama32 | simonrvn: expecting an "umm ok. where's that?" |
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| 07:08.48 | pablum | llama32, how 'bout a program that travels into the past and kills spammers in the crib? |
| 07:09.11 | llama32 | hehe i like Vender's thinking |
| 07:09.38 | Vender | just a thought ;-) |
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| 07:10.09 | sykopomp | Problem: My sound is choppy, the volume constantly fluctuates, this is for all sound files I run... I currently have arts AND alsa packages installed... also alsa-oss, have no idea what other info might be helpful |
| 07:10.10 | tbx | I did "/msg dpkg scanner" and "/msg dpkg sane", neither of which indicates how to let sane know that a scanner is plugged in and ready to go. howto actually /add/ a scanner? |
| 07:10.22 | pinko | hello. another day, another question... |
| 07:10.25 | simonrvn | PerfDave: not even vaguely what i have in mind, and i already have something for ssh |
| 07:10.32 | shimano55 | Question, For iwconfig what command do I use to change the access point? iwconfig wlan0 "blank" |
| 07:10.34 | PerfDave | simonrvn: *shrug* |
| 07:10.41 | mina_linux_Tux | hey can i download the CVS sources files if i'm accessed as anonymous ? |
| 07:10.46 | ke6isf | !tell knopp1x_user about grub |
| 07:10.57 | pinko | Is there anything inherently impossibly, about installing package mplayer from unstable? |
| 07:10.58 | llama32 | pablum: the world would suck without reading about "send us your credit card details and we'll remove all debt!" and "viagra, morphein and LSD all at low, low prices!" in your email every day |
| 07:11.03 | pinko | *impossible |
| 07:11.06 | tbx | I did sane-find-scanner, and it found it, but xsane doesn't. |
| 07:11.20 | simonrvn | PerfDave: /join #flood |
| 07:11.35 | Guerin | pinko: yes. |
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| 07:11.40 | pablum | llama32, I disagree, and my bayesian filters fill my life with joy. |
| 07:11.48 | knopp1x_user | ke6isf, ok all try that thanks |
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| 07:12.04 | tbx | llama32: I actually must confess to being entertained by the Nigerian scams. Their messages approach B-Movie prose. |
| 07:12.10 | ke6isf | knopp1x_user: In short, RTFM. |
| 07:12.17 | llama32 | pablum: yeah but your not addicted to morphein and dont have lots of credit card debt :O |
| 07:12.19 | llama32 | *:P |
| 07:12.27 | mina_linux_Tux | hey can i download the CVS sources files for a specific project at sourceforge if i'm accessed as anonymous ? |
| 07:12.35 | karsten | tbx: If you're hurtin' for entertainment, I've got a treasure trove for you. |
| 07:12.45 | Hellmark | mina_linux_Tux, yes |
| 07:12.45 | tbx | KarlosII: yeah? |
| 07:12.48 | karsten | tbx: ...but first, you must send me your bank account details. |
| 07:12.55 | spart_ | I'm trying to backport a package in unstable and am running into problems b/c it cant find a package - ibqp-dev. i tried apt-cache search and sure enough it's not there,any ideas? |
| 07:13.01 | pinko | Guerin: any more advice on that subject? |
| 07:13.02 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: how sorry ..or give me a pointer |
| 07:13.05 | tbx | karsten: ask pablum for that! |
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| 07:13.19 | PerfDave | spart_: You may have to backport the dependencies too :) |
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| 07:13.21 | tbx | snort. |
| 07:13.28 | coywolf | when stage1.5 is not used? only stage2 |
| 07:13.29 | Hellmark | goto the project page for that project, down at the bottome is a link for tips on using the CVS server as anonymous |
| 07:13.49 | ke6isf | coywolf: parse error. |
| 07:13.56 | karsten | coywolf: info grub |
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| 07:13.59 | tbx | it's all about the pre-paid visa "gift card", y'all! |
| 07:14.00 | KarlosII | tbx, huh |
| 07:14.10 | d0ma | how do i know what mouse port im using? |
| 07:14.10 | tbx | KarlosII: sorry. Bad tab. |
| 07:14.14 | KarlosII | ah |
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| 07:14.21 | karsten | d0ma: What kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 07:14.28 | d0ma | aopen |
| 07:14.31 | sykopomp | anyone have any ideas on the sound thing? |
| 07:14.31 | d0ma | ps2 |
| 07:14.32 | pablum | simonrvn, has the solution to credit card debt. |
| 07:14.33 | sykopomp | at all??? |
| 07:14.36 | karsten | d0ma: /dev/psaux |
| 07:14.39 | spart_ | PerfDave but it cant find a source package for ibpq-dev (a dependency) |
| 07:14.48 | tbx | sykopomp: what sound thing? |
| 07:14.52 | sykopomp | Problem: My sound is choppy, the volume constantly fluctuates, this is for all sound files I run... I currently have arts AND alsa packages installed... also alsa-oss, have no idea what other info might be helpful |
| 07:14.54 | llama32 | is this a stupid question? |
| 07:14.56 | simonrvn | it's a lot cheaper that way ;) |
| 07:14.56 | PerfDave | spart_: Can't find a source package for it in unstable? |
| 07:15.12 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: i checked , is it something related to import ? |
| 07:15.13 | sykopomp | well it keeps going like gargle gargle |
| 07:15.13 | tbx | sykopomp: ... and just like that I'm out. Sorry. |
| 07:15.14 | ke6isf | !don't know |
| 07:15.29 | tbx | sykopomp: I'm new to deb. |
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| 07:16.02 | sykopomp | I tried #alsa but no one's helping there.... and there seems to be a "Debian Way" for doing everything... hence going to other channels for this stuff has only broken my debian in the past |
| 07:16.03 | mina_linux_Tux | cause i can't figure out something related more than anonymous and developer access and the import is only for developers |
| 07:16.07 | JeffH_ | Is there an easy way to tell dpkg or apt-get to redownload all packages I have installed on my system but don't install them? |
| 07:16.08 | Hellmark | no mina |
| 07:16.17 | Hellmark | you're in the wrong section |
| 07:16.22 | PerfDave | JeffH_: Why would you want to do that? |
| 07:16.24 | PerfDave | JeffH_: man apt |
| 07:16.26 | spart_ | PerfDave well i added an unstable entry to sources.list then ran apt-get update, then apt-get build-dep ibqp-dev; apt-get -b source ibpq-dev , and it errors trying to find the source pkg |
| 07:16.33 | Guerin | simonrvn: is it safe to use neat iodine tincture on wounds as a disinfectant, or should it be diluted? |
| 07:16.34 | tbx | sykopomp: oooh, I recognize that sound. "Gargle gargle howl howl ***schlooop!*** don't see why anyone else should have a good time!" Just put this fish in your ear... |
| 07:16.42 | Hellmark | like I said, goto the project details page |
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| 07:16.48 | PerfDave | spart_: Did you add a deb-src entry, or a deb entry? |
| 07:16.54 | Guerin | stupid pharmacist couldn't explain it to me and the bottle contains no instructions or ingredients |
| 07:17.02 | Hellmark | down at the bottom is a link for "CVS Repository" |
| 07:17.04 | Hellmark | click that |
| 07:17.09 | simonrvn | Guerin: read the bottle first ;) |
| 07:17.14 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: web based ? |
| 07:17.15 | spart_ | PerfDave deb-src |
| 07:17.20 | Guerin | simonrvn: no instructions thereupon |
| 07:17.22 | Hellmark | not the webbased |
| 07:17.25 | tbx | Guerin: spin the bottle first! |
| 07:17.29 | sykopomp | tbx: what the...f***? |
| 07:17.43 | Hellmark | the link that says "CVS Repository" |
| 07:17.46 | simonrvn | Guerin: any indications on it at all? |
| 07:17.51 | Hellmark | right above the web based link |
| 07:17.55 | tbx | sykopomp: hhgttg, bro! |
| 07:18.00 | z[bandito | how can you disable certain keys on the keyboard? i have a system with a japanese keyboard, but the software is configured for US english. it works ok, but the spacing on some keys is too close .. like print screen is very close to backspace and easy to hit on accident. on a slow machine this can cause additional pain ;) |
| 07:18.23 | Hellmark | thats why I quoted "CVS Repository" because you're supposed to click "CVS Repository" |
| 07:18.24 | Guerin | simonrvn: nope. brand name 'povidin' seems to be 10% iodine tincture, according to google |
| 07:18.26 | PerfDave | spart_: Uhm, there is no package ibqp-dev in Debian |
| 07:18.41 | d0ma | thx all |
| 07:18.43 | simonrvn | oh, povidin, i'd dilute it. 10:1 |
| 07:18.45 | d0ma | its up and running |
| 07:18.48 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: Browse CVS Repository |
| 07:18.50 | PerfDave | d0ma: Good :) |
| 07:18.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: cheers :) |
| 07:18.57 | d0ma | i know i got you irritated |
| 07:19.01 | d0ma | sry |
| 07:19.02 | Hellmark | Not "Browse CVS" |
| 07:19.07 | pablum | Guerin, better use beer to be sure... |
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| 07:19.16 | PerfDave | d0ma: No worries. Calm, patience, reading and re-reading are always helpful though :) |
| 07:19.23 | Hellmark | "CVS Repository" Immediately above "Browse CVS" |
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| 07:19.26 | spart_ | PerfDave hmm, i'll just try someone else's backported package and hope it works hehe |
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| 07:19.41 | tbx | I did "/msg dpkg scanner" and "/msg dpkg sane", neither of which indicates how to let sane know that a scanner is plugged in and ready to go. howto actually /add/ a scanner? |
| 07:19.42 | pablum | nine bottles per drop of iodine. |
| 07:19.52 | tbx | I did sane-find-scanner, and it found it, but xsane doesn't. |
| 07:19.54 | PerfDave | spart_: I don't understand what you're trying to do. |
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| 07:20.16 | Hellmark | and it doesnt say "Browse CVS Repository" it says "CVS Repository" and on the next line it says "Browse CVS", you pick "CVS Repository" |
| 07:20.19 | SocketERR_ | can anybody advice me a logfile parser to assist finding a hacked system (parsing syslog, etc.) |
| 07:20.23 | Hellmark | whats so hard about that |
| 07:21.02 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=131049 |
| 07:21.10 | Hellmark | yes, that |
| 07:21.20 | PerfDave | SocketERR_: There are various logfile analysis tools |
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| 07:21.41 | cahoot | tbx: you are in scanner group? |
| 07:21.45 | Hellmark | Second section, "Anonymous CVS Access" |
| 07:21.45 | SocketERR_ | PerfDave, witch one do you prefer? |
| 07:22.12 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: ok tell me where there are 3 sections About CVS , Anonymous CVS and Developer CVS Access via ssg |
| 07:22.50 | Hellmark | like I just said the anonymous CVS section has info on what you can do as anonymous |
| 07:23.04 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: Anonymous .. i'm to download the CVS source files using CVS command , so how.. |
| 07:23.14 | PerfDave | SocketERR_: logcheck is the only one I have experience with. |
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| 07:23.22 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: i want to dowload the files |
| 07:23.29 | Hellmark | Mina, use the commands listed in that section |
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| 07:23.52 | jl | hey i have a question i have debian installed but my mouse isn't working with gdm or starts, so when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and still doesn't do anything so what should i do? |
| 07:23.59 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: ok on my machine where can i found these files ? |
| 07:24.03 | tbx | cahoot: ah, good question. what is it, "adduser [me] scanner"? |
| 07:24.15 | cahoot | tbx: I'd use vigr |
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| 07:24.26 | Hellmark | Mina, it gets placed where ever your current directory location in your terminal |
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| 07:24.37 | Hellmark | say you're at ~, it places it in ~ |
| 07:24.42 | Guerin | jl: what kind of mouse? |
| 07:24.58 | jl | usb mouse it was working before but i reboot my machine and now isn't working |
| 07:25.18 | xai3 | does anybody use a online photo printing service that allows multiple uploading of images in linux? |
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| 07:25.28 | Guerin | jl: no other changes? kernel? hardware? |
| 07:25.35 | jl | not to my knowledge, |
| 07:25.40 | tbx | cahoot: did the former as well as the latter and still no scanner found by xsane, but sane-find-scanner and scanimage -L both output perfectly. |
| 07:25.42 | drac | jl: Try this as root: "modprobe mousedev && modprobe usbhid", maybe it helps. |
| 07:25.45 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: i used the co -P modulename and i'm in such a directory and i can't find the files |
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| 07:25.59 | cahoot | tbx: did you logout/login as user? |
| 07:26.01 | JeffH_ | anyone here by chance run apt-listchanges? How do I get it to e-mail me the changelog differences then wait to upgrade if I say to after I read the changlog? |
| 07:26.05 | Guerin | jl: modprobe usbhid |
| 07:26.51 | mina_linux_Tux | Hellmark: ok thanks ;) |
| 07:27.35 | tbx | cahoot: erm, no. didn't know I had to kill and restart X. |
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| 07:27.54 | Hellmark | ok, now does anyone have any info on the ABI migration? |
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| 07:28.34 | PerfDave | Hellmark: Read debian-devel-announce |
| 07:28.36 | tbx | cahoot: thanks for the tip && brb |
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| 07:28.59 | acke | hi do you know of any app that can help me publish a big set of images on teh webb?? |
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| 07:29.14 | Hellmark | Perf, last I checked devel-announce, it only listed something from last month saying that there would be a freeze for the migration on sid |
| 07:29.16 | PerfDave | acke: There are several, but they all suck :) |
| 07:29.24 | acke | damn |
| 07:29.25 | Guerin | acke: libapache-gallery-perl |
| 07:29.30 | PerfDave | Hellmark: There have been several posts about it recently. |
| 07:29.32 | Guerin | that doesn't suck |
| 07:29.33 | acke | maybe i should build one then |
| 07:29.39 | PerfDave | acke: gallery, a PHP script, is the one that sucks least IME |
| 07:29.45 | Guerin | naw |
| 07:29.48 | Guerin | gallery is arse |
| 07:29.54 | pablum | apt-cache search thumbnail | grep porn |
| 07:30.10 | jm_ | Guerin: what's wrong with it? |
| 07:30.25 | Guerin | jm_: everything has to be done by stupid web interfaces |
| 07:30.30 | Guerin | jm_: and it's flakey |
| 07:30.46 | Guerin | lagp does everything by textfiles, it's sweet |
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| 07:31.18 | jm_ | Guerin: well it's not that bad, I like it how one can upload one archive file with images and it works |
| 07:31.44 | acke | jm ty i will try |
| 07:31.48 | acke | brb |
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| 07:32.05 | Guerin | i find customising the page stylesheets to be really annoyingly hard too |
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| 07:32.49 | Guerin | it's part of the reason i haven't got most of the 10,000 or so photos i've taken in korea on a website |
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| 07:32.54 | Guerin | too much admin required |
| 07:32.55 | jm_ | ahh I don't modify its look ;) |
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| 07:33.19 | PerfDave | I found gallery to be really easy to set up. the only trouble I had was reconfiguring Apache and PHP to allow large filesize uploads. |
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| 07:34.14 | Guerin | PerfGal! |
| 07:34.19 | Hellmark | Perf, from what I've seen in the archive, its mostly about developing under the new ABI and recompiling the old |
| 07:35.02 | Hellmark | I'm trying to find a way to switch a system over without breaking alot. |
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| 07:35.57 | PerfDave | Hellmark: Run etch ;) |
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| 07:36.01 | cougar` | Well |
| 07:36.04 | cougar` | I'm goin' 2 bed |
| 07:36.11 | cougar` | I'll figure out the rc thing tomorrow |
| 07:36.12 | PerfDave | Night cougar`, you've earned it :) |
| 07:36.12 | Subvertir | you're the best, the BEEEST, and nothin's gunna evah keep ya down! |
| 07:36.18 | Hellmark | as of right now, one of my machines, when I went to upgrade Gaim, kinda got broke because Gaim uses the new setup, while KDE aint been switched |
| 07:36.23 | cougar` | Thanks everyone who helped me with my problems today. very kind of you |
| 07:36.23 | Hellmark | and no thanks |
| 07:36.36 | SNow | hello everyone, can you please say me with what tool in debian i could generate ssl sertificates for vhosts? |
| 07:36.37 | cougar` | Especially you perfDave : Helped me understand alot and I'm up and running |
| 07:36.40 | cougar` | Take care fellaz |
| 07:36.51 | cougar` | thanks man |
| 07:37.06 | sss_lr | SNow: openssl or makecert |
| 07:37.09 | PerfDave | Hellmark: You're running unstable, things are broken. You should not be surprised. Fixes will be uploaded, stuff will work again. |
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| 07:37.35 | Hellmark | I am not surprised by the breakages, was announced last month that this would happen |
| 07:37.38 | Subvertir | Hi guys. Sarge/i386. I have a problem with KDM - it doesn't restart X after I exit an X session (which it usually does by default...), anyone know the config switch to fix that offhand? |
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| 07:37.55 | pif | hi, how does one activate window transparency with x.org ? |
| 07:38.03 | Hellmark | just didnt know if there were any other methods for repair other than waiting for newversions of KDE |
| 07:38.13 | Guerin | Subvertir: there's one in kcontrol, i think |
| 07:38.23 | Subvertir | Guerin, cool, I'll check that out |
| 07:38.26 | Subvertir | I hadn't started X as root =) |
| 07:38.42 | Guerin | Subvertir: nor should you ever |
| 07:38.52 | Subvertir | I do on my box |
| 07:38.54 | Subvertir | but, meh |
| 07:38.57 | Guerin | why? |
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| 07:39.08 | Guerin | so people can pwn j00? |
| 07:39.14 | Subvertir | if they feel like it |
| 07:39.17 | PerfDave | Hellmark: Have you checked the BTS for workarounds? |
| 07:39.36 | Hellmark | no, wasnt aware of it |
| 07:39.39 | Coke | Guerin: let's fire up quake so I can pwn s0m3 |
| 07:39.44 | PerfDave | !btssmite Hellmark |
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| 07:40.09 | ack1 | hi |
| 07:40.18 | Hellmark | oh, bug tracker |
| 07:40.27 | Hellmark | didnt know what you meant by BTS |
| 07:40.35 | ack1 | So how do i use libapache-gallery-perl? :P |
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| 07:40.45 | Hellmark | its late here, not swift on my feet |
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| 07:41.01 | Guerin | ack1: read /usr/share/doc/libapache-gallery-perl/README.Debian |
| 07:41.14 | Guerin | ack1: it's a c&p job at its most simple |
| 07:41.27 | voltagex | any ideas why my keyboard wouldn't work under 2.6.12.3 when I've had no problems with 2.6.1*.*? |
| 07:41.27 | PerfDave | ack1: Read the complicated documentation ;) |
| 07:41.53 | PerfDave | voltagex: Use a Debian kernel-image package |
| 07:41.58 | Guerin | voltagex: because you didn't compile your kernel properly? |
| 07:42.11 | Subvertir | bad news: I moved in with my mom. good news: debian on her box |
| 07:42.41 | voltagex | Guerin - I've got keyboard support compiled in |
| 07:42.52 | voltagex | PerfDave: no not a kernel-image package |
| 07:42.56 | Guerin | voltagex: thaat's nice. |
| 07:43.02 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 07:43.03 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 07:43.27 | voltagex | errr I've compiled my own kernels for quite a while now |
| 07:43.40 | voltagex | what else would be missing for keyboard support? |
| 07:43.48 | Subvertir | and, you know, I can compile my own kernel... but debian's images work fine |
| 07:44.03 | voltagex | mm I'm thinking I'll try an image |
| 07:44.33 | Subvertir | Everything is compiled as a module |
| 07:44.59 | saboteur | if i compile my old kernel i copy the .config from in /boot and use make-kpkg :) |
| 07:45.31 | Subvertir | I could see using make-kpkg if I had a bunch of boxes |
| 07:45.44 | Guerin | there's no reason not to use make-kpkg |
| 07:45.51 | saboteur | it's just as easy |
| 07:45.54 | saboteur | well, easier |
| 07:45.59 | saboteur | since it keeps everything tidy |
| 07:46.00 | Subvertir | I haven't tried it in a long time |
| 07:46.08 | kadigibox | My DVD player wont reconize CDs anymore and I dont get why the heck it does this. It did this yesterday and its doing it today all after playing DVDs on VLC |
| 07:46.22 | voltagex | apart from laughing at me, any suggestions as to what I've done wrong? |
| 07:46.32 | Guerin | voltagex: how can we know? |
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| 07:46.56 | Subvertir | Last time I build a kernel it was.. make menuconfig;make dep; make bzImage; cd arch/i386/boot/; cp bzImage /boot/bleh; cp System.map /boot/sysmap-bleh |
| 07:47.01 | tarzeau | voltagex: that's on i386 right? |
| 07:47.03 | voltagex | Guerin: I've never had a problem before and have got everything I need selected for keyboard support as far as I can tell |
| 07:47.12 | voltagex | 686 |
| 07:47.14 | PerfDave | Using make-kpkg is sweet, it fixes your bootloader for you and everything |
| 07:47.17 | saboteur | subvert: well you can just do make menuconfig then read the make-kpkg manpage :) |
| 07:47.34 | tarzeau | voltagex: would you like to try an image like this? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 07:47.38 | Subvertir | I'll probably give it a try now that I've got two near-identical machines |
| 07:47.48 | tarzeau | PerfDave: yes, that's really superb |
| 07:47.54 | voltagex | tarzeau: debian's 2.4 kernel works perfectly. |
| 07:48.02 | Guerin | Subvertir: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 07:48.09 | tarzeau | voltagex: you want a 2.6 one? |
| 07:48.10 | jetx | voltagex: grep your /boot/config-blah for CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y |
| 07:48.18 | Subvertir | it was the rtfm portion of it I guess, I never really even bothered to look at the manpage |
| 07:48.25 | Guerin | voltagex: how does your keyboard plug in? |
| 07:48.27 | voltagex | yes I'd like a 2.6 one |
| 07:48.36 | tarzeau | voltagex: which of them? |
| 07:48.44 | voltagex | PS/2 I guess - the keyboard port! |
| 07:48.52 | voltagex | tarzeau: 2.6.12.3 |
| 07:49.22 | kadigibox | Does anyone know what can cause linux to fail to reconize CDs but not DVDs on a DVD drive? |
| 07:49.33 | jetx | or the /usr/src/linux-2.6-13/.config |
| 07:49.39 | saboteur | kadi: sounds hardware related |
| 07:49.51 | simonrvn | i don't think it's linux, i think it's h/w |
| 07:50.03 | kadigibox | its not hardware related. it only does this after playing DVDs on VLC |
| 07:50.05 | jetx | kadigibox: h/w, or the medium (the disc) |
| 07:50.25 | kadigibox | and a reboot fixes everything |
| 07:50.28 | outlaw84 | When I am using gpm in console mode I get chars in the prompt as if the mouse buttons where linked to keys. anyone that know any solution? |
| 07:50.31 | saboteur | that's weird |
| 07:50.33 | ack1 | do you like the tools in offical KDE webdev kit? |
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| 07:50.41 | jetx | kadigibox: use xine-ui |
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| 07:51.08 | simonrvn | that is weird. unless vlc monkeys with cd/dvd access, and/or the kernel driver, then it isn't so weird |
| 07:51.38 | hugle | how do I rebuild passwd file after editing it manualy? |
| 07:51.46 | simonrvn | rebuild? |
| 07:51.49 | PerfDave | kadigibox: Does it only happen with VLC, or does it happen with other DVD playing software as well? |
| 07:51.54 | simonrvn | and how did you edit it? |
| 07:51.54 | voltagex | yes both those KEYBOARD values are =y in my .config (both in /usr/src/linux and in /boot) |
| 07:52.01 | hugle | sikamedia, with text editor |
| 07:52.07 | Subvertir | To enable TCP listening for xfs in Debian, I just comment out no-listen = tcp in the config file and it listens on it's default port right? |
| 07:52.10 | simonrvn | @lart hugle |
| 07:52.14 | Guerin | kadigibox: that drive has been giving you plenty grief, eh |
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| 07:52.16 | simonrvn | hugle: use vipw |
| 07:52.18 | kadigibox | Dont know. I only use VLC |
| 07:52.21 | hugle | I should use vipw ? |
| 07:52.23 | ack1 | do you like quanta for web development? |
| 07:52.29 | simonrvn | and you don't need to rebuild anything |
| 07:52.31 | hugle | sikamedia, ok, thanks |
| 07:52.31 | Guerin | ack1: no |
| 07:52.33 | kadigibox | Only recently |
| 07:52.35 | ack1 | lol |
| 07:52.43 | PerfDave | kadigibox: It's worth trying with a different player such as ogle, to try and isolate the problem. |
| 07:52.44 | ack1 | Guerin, what do you use then? |
| 07:52.49 | simonrvn | please tab complete properly kthx |
| 07:52.57 | Guerin | ack1: emacs |
| 07:53.03 | kadigibox | after moveing from a P3 to a AMD64 and reinstalling Sarge |
| 07:53.04 | ack1 | lol |
| 07:53.14 | Guerin | !lol |
| 07:53.14 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a linspire user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg, or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 07:53.31 | ack1 | Someone that likes to be lasy about webdevelopment, what editors do you use? |
| 07:53.48 | tarzeau | ack1: mcedit |
| 07:53.51 | ack1 | or ide:s. |
| 07:54.01 | ack1 | what is mcedit? |
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| 07:54.08 | tarzeau | ack1: the editor of mc |
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| 07:54.29 | PerfDave | ack1: vim |
| 07:54.33 | Coke | ack1: emacs |
| 07:54.39 | ack1 | Full featured terminal text editor for Unix-like systems. |
| 07:54.40 | simonrvn | whatever's handy ;p |
| 07:54.46 | kadigibox | or it could be this one disk I tried to mount too..... I just realized I tried to mount the same disk and everything was wrong from that point or something like that |
| 07:54.48 | ack1 | woow, ty lads... |
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| 07:54.51 | voltagex | what happens if there's no config file in /boot for a particular kernel? |
| 07:54.55 | ack1 | i think i jus go with quanta |
| 07:55.03 | kadigibox | could mounting a bad disk cause this kind of thing to happen? |
| 07:55.06 | simonrvn | voltagex: nothing. not crucial to operation |
| 07:55.12 | Coke | ack1: emacs has full XML and DTD/scheme support with realtime validation which I have found is very handy when writing XHTML. |
| 07:55.15 | fman | hey all |
| 07:55.21 | voltagex | ok so that wouldn't be the cause of my problems |
| 07:55.30 | ack1 | coke, yeah that is sweet. |
| 07:55.35 | voltagex | ah well back to slightly outdated kernel images I go |
| 07:55.42 | Coke | ack1: it can also validate stylesheets and all that together makes it very easy to write W3C-compatible code. |
| 07:56.25 | ack1 | i guess that is very good. i just want to publish my images to my loved ones.. |
| 07:56.34 | ack1 | lol, nothin fancy at all.. |
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| 07:57.15 | sykopomp | hehe, someone tattooed rm -rf / on their leg XD |
| 07:57.20 | fman | hmm, uw-imap seemed to crap out big time under 2.6 after upgrading |
| 07:57.20 | sykopomp | erm |
| 07:57.20 | fman | weird |
| 07:57.23 | sykopomp | wrong channel |
| 07:57.37 | sykopomp | I'm outie |
| 07:57.39 | simonrvn | eew, uw-imap... |
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| 07:58.01 | fman | so, is there a better alternative to uw-imap |
| 07:58.06 | simonrvn | several |
| 07:58.38 | fman | but can I crossgrade without any hickups |
| 07:58.53 | Guerin | practically any impad |
| 07:59.04 | simonrvn | with pre-preparation, of course |
| 07:59.20 | simonrvn | er, s/pre-// |
| 07:59.30 | Guerin | bah, i wish nxml-mode was available for xemacs |
| 08:00.05 | fman | hmm, I see cyrus and thats about it |
| 08:00.12 | Guerin | courier is what i use |
| 08:00.16 | Guerin | it's good, too |
| 08:00.32 | simonrvn | dovecot as well |
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| 08:00.39 | fman | yep |
| 08:00.44 | simonrvn | i'm a happy cyrus user |
| 08:00.51 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.56 | fman | yeah, I've got no idea why I'm running uw-imap |
| 08:01.03 | creative | is ther a way to send a log file to a mail id using logrotate |
| 08:01.04 | fman | been a mistake for a long time |
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| 08:01.27 | simonrvn | logrotate doesn't send logs anywhere |
| 08:02.07 | fman | courier looks to work ok with squirrel |
| 08:02.12 | fman | which is important |
| 08:02.21 | Guerin | creative: you can add a mailx command to the prerotate or postrotate section of logrotate.conf |
| 08:02.32 | creative | ok.. is there any other way through which we can send a log file to a users mail id |
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| 08:03.11 | Guerin | creative: be creative, there's a hundred ways! |
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| 08:03.58 | creative | iam a newbiellet me know how to send it |
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| 08:04.16 | simonrvn | squirrelmail works nice with courier or cyrus |
| 08:04.38 | fman | there is defaintly somthing wrong with my uw setup |
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| 08:05.06 | simonrvn | creative: as the name implies, logrotate rotates logs... cron uses the installed mta to send mail to a specified user |
| 08:05.30 | Guerin | creative: read /etc/logrotate.conf and the associated manpage, and the manpages for 'mail' or 'mailx' |
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| 08:05.48 | possie | hi |
| 08:06.01 | ElZorro | yes? |
| 08:06.10 | simonrvn | no? |
| 08:06.14 | Guerin | maybe. |
| 08:06.15 | ElZorro | of course. |
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| 08:06.24 | simonrvn | why not? |
| 08:06.29 | ElZorro | nonsense |
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| 08:06.41 | simonrvn | perhaps, but it stinks |
| 08:06.57 | ElZorro | no it's not |
| 08:07.12 | basti_ | hi guys... i was installing xorg, which broke severeal things, because it needs libglu1-xorg, which obviously doesnt satisfy the libglu1 dependency. That seems bizarre to me. |
| 08:07.20 | simonrvn | smells like rotten blue cheese soaked in gym socks' water |
| 08:07.26 | basti_ | is this intended? |
| 08:07.28 | Guerin | basti_: sid is broke. deal. |
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| 08:07.33 | basti_ | k |
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| 08:07.40 | Guerin | that was easy |
| 08:07.46 | ElZorro | basti_: by me the Xorg transition went without problems, do you have GNOME crap installed? |
| 08:07.48 | simonrvn | bastyou get to keep the several thousand pieces |
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| 08:08.55 | nounours | bonjour :) |
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| 08:09.22 | simonrvn | bon soir |
| 08:09.32 | jetx | yeah sid is a challange atm |
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| 08:09.38 | jetx | challenge even |
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| 08:10.23 | jetx | installing sid on a clean box is worse than upgrading |
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| 08:10.38 | simonrvn | um |
| 08:11.15 | fman | death to uw-imap |
| 08:11.52 | ElZorro | jetx: but only if you want to install KDE, GNOME, bonobo, pango and similar crap in the clean box at once |
| 08:12.12 | jetx | or even one after another |
| 08:12.39 | jetx | aha. sid doesn't like gui atm. |
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| 08:13.25 | ElZorro | jetx: I work with xfce4, and I the C++ and Xorg transition worked perfectly without issues |
| 08:13.25 | jetx | eceletic gui |
| 08:13.40 | jetx | icewm did fine also |
| 08:14.04 | jetx | it's all my picking and choosing from gnome and kde that borked it out |
| 08:14.11 | ElZorro | jetx: the problem is when you have stuff like kmail, kppp, kconsole, kcheess, kpoweroff, etc. installed. |
| 08:14.20 | jetx | libaspell15 |
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| 08:14.35 | jetx | and the libglu * |
| 08:14.44 | ElZorro | jetx: don't install that useless bloated stuff and your experience with unstalbe will be better |
| 08:14.46 | jetx | 1 |
| 08:15.47 | izn0g | hum, xorg + nvidia might be tricky |
| 08:16.06 | jetx | xorg + nvidia binary functioned fine |
| 08:16.33 | ElZorro | izn0g: the nvidia driver included with xorg (nv) works just fine. |
| 08:16.35 | jetx | the XF86Config-4 for xorg is basically the same, too |
| 08:16.44 | ElZorro | jetx: in my case they where identical |
| 08:17.01 | jetx | ya cept for the xfree86 vs xorg rules in the sections |
| 08:17.10 | jetx | like for the kb |
| 08:17.26 | izn0g | ElZorro: yeah, nv is OK |
| 08:17.36 | izn0g | just tried it successfully |
| 08:18.59 | jetx | xorg autodetects well also |
| 08:22.22 | cougar` | What does && \ do at the end of a command in a shell? |
| 08:22.35 | cougar` | for example |
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| 08:22.37 | cougar` | iptables -F INPUT && \ |
| 08:22.39 | ecarroll | what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too? |
| 08:22.48 | PerfDave | ecarroll: #ubuntu |
| 08:22.49 | ecarroll | not specific to ubuntu |
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| 08:22.55 | ecarroll | applies to debian too |
| 08:23.00 | ecarroll | need to artsd =[ |
| 08:23.02 | ecarroll | kill* |
| 08:23.03 | ElZorro | ecarroll: join #ubuntu |
| 08:23.04 | cougar` | Any idea anyone? |
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| 08:23.26 | ElZorro | ecarroll: debian doesn't have the "ubuntu-desktop" meta package |
| 08:23.30 | oopmph | does anyone here speak russian? |
| 08:23.36 | PerfDave | ecarroll: The ubuntu-desktop package isn't in Debian. Ask #ubuntu. |
| 08:23.37 | PerfDave | !ru |
| 08:23.37 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 08:23.47 | jm_ | cougar`: read ABS |
| 08:23.59 | cougar` | What is ABS if I may ask |
| 08:24.10 | oopmph | perfdave do you? |
| 08:24.17 | PerfDave | oopmph: No |
| 08:24.21 | oopmph | k, thx |
| 08:24.22 | cougar` | hey perfDave : I coudn't sleep :P |
| 08:24.26 | jm_ | /msg dpkg abs |
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| 08:25.27 | PerfDave | cougar`: Me either :/ |
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| 08:26.10 | cougar` | Okay, so it is a logical operator. But what is the / at the end? |
| 08:26.20 | positrix | it was very violent |
| 08:26.21 | PerfDave | cougar`: that carries the command on to the next line |
| 08:26.29 | cougar` | Ahhhh, thank you |
| 08:26.36 | PerfDave | Children should read good children's authors like Alan Garner :) |
| 08:26.36 | cougar` | Some things are hard to research ya know |
| 08:27.00 | cougar` | so command1 && command2 or, command1 && / command2 (starts on next line) |
| 08:27.26 | boycer | cougar`: / escapes the newline character |
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| 08:28.59 | Guerin | um |
| 08:29.08 | Guerin | \ escapes a characterA |
| 08:29.10 | Guerin | not / |
| 08:29.11 | simonrvn | uh, \ does |
| 08:29.15 | jukk | i want to setup music server on apache server for my LAN users to listen to...most of the music is in mp3 format. is there a php script to do this?\ |
| 08:29.23 | simonrvn | / is a directory separator... |
| 08:29.26 | Guerin | jukk: gnump3d |
| 08:29.46 | boycer | sorry, confused by the OP |
| 08:29.53 | cougar` | Thanks boycer |
| 08:30.02 | Guerin | PerfDave: pwn! |
| 08:30.03 | jukk | thanks Guerin |
| 08:30.05 | boycer | sorry cougar |
| 08:30.11 | cougar` | For what? |
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| 08:30.23 | cougar` | Its okay, you tried |
| 08:30.27 | peterS | Guerin: so he really used a Weirdstpwn? |
| 08:30.28 | cougar` | hehe |
| 08:30.36 | Guerin | peterS: heh |
| 08:30.42 | simonrvn | *groan* |
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| 08:30.46 | Guerin | 1337 wasn't invented when that book was written |
| 08:30.54 | Panda|Swarm | hi, anybody seen TBM recently? |
| 08:31.06 | Guerin | !seen tbm |
| 08:31.06 | dpkg | tbm <~tbm@NET216-235-36-171.wave.bicv.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 36d 22h 1m 33s ago, saying: 'er'. |
| 08:31.08 | PerfDave | Young children should also read the Borribles trilogy, it's awesome. |
| 08:31.13 | Guerin | actually |
| 08:31.21 | Guerin | ah, the borribles was sweet too |
| 08:31.23 | Panda|Swarm | dpkg, oops ... |
| 08:31.24 | Guerin | man |
| 08:31.43 | Guerin | those books made me spend hours making slingshots and terrorising small woodland creatures |
| 08:31.52 | PerfDave | Guerin: Just what children's literature should be - fantastic, imaginative, dark as all unholy fuck ;) |
| 08:32.08 | Guerin | PerfDave: the Black Cauldron was good, too |
| 08:32.17 | PerfDave | Guerin: Never read that |
| 08:32.23 | Guerin | i'm not looking forward to the Narnia movies, though |
| 08:32.26 | ElZorro | Harry Potter is also AWESOME, yeah *sigh* |
| 08:32.37 | PerfDave | Damnit, I shouldn't be reminded of books when I am unemployed. |
| 08:32.40 | ElZorro | everyone reads Harry Potter, so Harry Potter is good literature |
| 08:32.46 | Guerin | PerfDave: welsh modern-people-find-old-celtic-mojo stuff |
| 08:32.53 | peterS | where is Hairy_Potter when you need him? I haven't seen that dude here in ages |
| 08:33.02 | Guerin | bah, harry potter |
| 08:33.04 | positrix | Guerin: narnia movies? where! |
| 08:33.11 | Guerin | positrix: imdb.org |
| 08:33.12 | ElZorro | millions read Harry Potter, how can be millions of people be wrong? That's just impossible |
| 08:33.24 | Guerin | ElZorro: one word ... Seinfeld |
| 08:33.28 | ElZorro | Therefore I read Harry Potter |
| 08:33.42 | Guerin | oh, two more words |
| 08:33.46 | Guerin | Stephen King |
| 08:34.00 | simonrvn | ugh. racist content. pro-slavery... might as well give mein kampf to kids... |
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| 08:34.10 | Guerin | simonrvn: eh? |
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| 08:34.22 | PerfDave | !seen Hairy_Potter |
| 08:34.23 | dpkg | hairy_potter <~suraj@global-pix1.bangalore.corp.yahoo.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 1h 3m 9s ago, saying: 'doesn't paines mean 'breads' or something in french?'. |
| 08:34.43 | ElZorro | hairy potter... that's pretty disgusting |
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| 08:35.20 | p30n | hello |
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| 08:35.30 | positrix | harry potter books are just slightly above average. the good thing about them is it encourages children to read instead of watching tv |
| 08:35.34 | simonrvn | Guerin: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tsarai/ |
| 08:35.49 | peterS | positrix: well, at least it encourages children to read harry potter |
| 08:36.03 | peterS | positrix: I wouldn't be so sure, if I were you, that this transfers to reading anything else |
| 08:36.10 | Guerin | positrix: unfortunately it also encourages people to go and buy lots of harry potter tat |
| 08:36.20 | Guerin | peterS: right on. |
| 08:36.24 | p30n | i have a small problem, when i boot my sarge i get A LOT of wierd characters, mixed with Cant locate module: |
| 08:36.27 | p30n | any help ?? =S |
| 08:36.28 | PerfDave | Unfortunately, it encourages children to read Harry Potter books ;) |
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| 08:37.01 | positrix | sorry, typo, i meant the _ONLY_ good thing ... |
| 08:37.13 | peterS | heh |
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| 08:37.33 | Guerin | simonrvn: right |
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| 08:37.53 | Guerin | p30n: does it boot cleanly? |
| 08:37.56 | outlaw84 | When I am using gpm in console mode I get chars in the prompt as if the mouse buttons where linked to keys. anyone that knows any solution? |
| 08:38.25 | p30n | Guerin: well when it is booted, everything i sue works as it should, but im really worried about those wierdo things and a lot of Cant locate module: |
| 08:38.33 | p30n | i use* |
| 08:38.35 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 08:38.35 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 08:38.45 | peterS | outlaw84: well, that's very odd. I'm not sure if I can help you because I haven't seen that before ... but let's start with what kind of mouse you have |
| 08:38.48 | jukk | i have 2 adsl line (diff. ip), how to combine this two on the same gateway? is it possible? |
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| 08:39.00 | simonrvn | ohnoz, i got a warning!!!!!!!11 |
| 08:39.01 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 08:39.12 | outlaw84 | peterS: its connected via usb |
| 08:39.16 | peterS | outlaw84: also, does gpm seem to work ok other than the keys coming out? like, does it move the pointer around normally? |
| 08:39.22 | ElZorro | When I was a kid I liked to read Dostojewski - Crime and Punishment, now kids read Harry Potter, that just sucks |
| 08:39.36 | outlaw84 | peterS: normal execpt the chars |
| 08:39.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: Illegal Operation! OMFG noooo, hide ur stash d00d, teh copz r cuming |
| 08:39.47 | sour | jukk, it's either one or the other, you can't merge them together |
| 08:39.56 | simonrvn | Guerin: heheheh |
| 08:39.57 | p30n | well i wouldnt consider it a warning as it was not written in plain text, and it was like 4 screens of crap that spammed out, mixed up with cant locate module, wouldnt that mean im missing some modules ? |
| 08:40.02 | peterS | outlaw84: yeah, that's odd. usb mouse support in any application (gpm or X or whatever) is usually pretty easy to get right |
| 08:40.11 | peterS | outlaw84: the kernel does all the hard work, the applications have an easy job |
| 08:40.18 | simonrvn | ElZorro: my partner was reading thick books as a kid too (me too) |
| 08:40.31 | peterS | outlaw84: anyway - in /etc/gpm.conf - what are device= and type= ? |
| 08:40.38 | Guerin | ElZorro: how old were you when you read Dostoevsky? |
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| 08:40.54 | Guerin | ElZorro: because i wouldn't necessarily call C&P TeenLit |
| 08:41.04 | outlaw84 | peterS: type=autops2 |
| 08:41.15 | peterS | outlaw84: right, that ought to work fine. device=/dev/input/mice ? |
| 08:41.42 | Guerin | i went off fiction for years - like, 12 years - because i couldn't seem to get away from shitty pulp fantasy trash |
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| 08:41.54 | Guerin | robert jordan, weis&hickman, et al |
| 08:42.10 | outlaw84 | peterS: device=/dev/input/mouse0 , it was /dev/mouse at first but I changed it... no difference |
| 08:42.36 | peterS | outlaw84: /dev/input/mouse0 might stop working if your USB port ever gets reset, or you unplug / replug the mouse. /dev/input/mice will be more reliable in that way |
| 08:42.41 | ElZorro | Guerin: maybe 11, 12? |
| 08:42.41 | paulswm | I read Kipling, Dickens, the Bronte sisters and Jane Austen as a child because my grandfather had a bookcase full of them. |
| 08:42.51 | peterS | outlaw84: now - for kernel modules. there are two USB mouse drivers, 'usbmouse' and 'usbhid' |
| 08:42.51 | Guerin | ElZorro: another boy genius, eh |
| 08:42.58 | p30n | ok, well im not even running stable sarge, so im thinking about updating, if i want everything to be as it is now, what are the really important files to backup? i got all third party software backed up |
| 08:43.05 | peterS | outlaw84: 'usbhid' is the 2.6 kernel name for it, the 2.4 kernel calls it 'hid' |
| 08:43.13 | ElZorro | Guerin: well that's the truth, it was fun to read such stuff at a so young age |
| 08:43.15 | p30n | or can i install new sarge without formatting the old os-hdd |
| 08:43.27 | peterS | outlaw84: anyway, usbhid/hid are generally better than usbmouse - check to see which one, or both, you have loaded. 'lsmod' |
| 08:43.27 | PerfDave | p30n: What are you running currently? |
| 08:43.35 | Guerin | ElZorro: I was reading tolkien/dumas/scott at that age, but nothing much more complicated |
| 08:43.39 | p30n | PerfDave: how can i check ? |
| 08:44.05 | paulswm | Never did like the Russian authors much, too much of a buzz kill for the most part. |
| 08:44.14 | Guerin | paulswm: they are, that |
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| 08:44.34 | outlaw84 | peterS: I had usbhid, mousedev, uhci_hcd |
| 08:44.54 | peterS | outlaw84: but not 'usbmouse'? that should be good then, you don't want usbmouse |
| 08:44.56 | PerfDave | p30n: cat /etc/debian_version is a good start |
| 08:45.12 | p30n | testing/unstable |
| 08:45.14 | jetx | usbhid isn't 'just' for mice is it (this is a question) |
| 08:45.20 | outlaw84 | peterS: no usbmouse |
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| 08:45.30 | peterS | jetx: correct, it's also for keyboards, joysticks, and a few other input devices |
| 08:45.43 | outlaw84 | jetx: HID = Human Input Device |
| 08:46.17 | jetx | so don't you still need usbmouse loaded, and usbhid? (this is another question) |
| 08:46.31 | PerfDave | p30n: Then you probably can't install Sarge without reinstalling, sorry. |
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| 08:46.38 | peterS | outlaw84: this is odd. you don't have a "-B" or anything in /etc/gpm.conf, the append= line, do you? |
| 08:47.02 | peterS | jetx: right, two different drivers for a USB mouse. usbmouse is much more limited - it runs the mouse in a simplified mode that mice are supposed to support |
| 08:47.06 | p30n | PerfDave: ok, and the reinstall process would be to just get the stable netinstaller and boot from threre etc etc.... ? |
| 08:47.30 | p30n | PerfDave: and if i want the setup as it is now, do i need to save any specific conf files or something ? |
| 08:47.41 | outlaw84 | peterS: no the two lines I pasted earlier and repeat_type=ms3 are the only active lines in /etc/gpm.conf |
| 08:47.42 | jm_ | jetx: you'd typically have mousedev loaded along with it |
| 08:48.17 | peterS | outlaw84: should be fine then. just to double check - if you stop gpm (/etc/init.d/gpm stop), the mouse does or does not cause random keystrokes? |
| 08:49.05 | outlaw84 | peterS: they are not random.. but I'll check while gpm is stoped |
| 08:49.21 | peterS | outlaw84: what are they then - cutting and pasting existing text? |
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| 08:50.06 | Ick | i go to bed a broken and bitter man. |
| 08:50.13 | PerfDave | p30n: You can use "dpkg --get-selections" to keep a list of packages you have installed |
| 08:50.18 | outlaw84 | no I get like 'Q' for left click and 'W ' for rightclick |
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| 08:50.39 | peterS | outlaw84: ah, hmmm. and gpm causes this, or it happens even without gpm? |
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| 08:50.59 | p30n | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 08:51.37 | peterS | outlaw84: from what you just said it seems to me that the kernel 'usbhid' driver is extremely confused here, and is doing this by itself. so that's why I ask. |
| 08:51.41 | outlaw84 | peterS: it seams that its not caused by gpm |
| 08:52.01 | peterS | outlaw84: ok then. unload 'usbhid' and load 'usbmouse'. it's generally not preferred, but it might happen to work better for you |
| 08:52.25 | outlaw84 | I stoped gpm... Couldn't move the pointer but still got these chars when clicking the mouse |
| 08:52.39 | peterS | outlaw84: also - this doesn't help *you* much, but I'm glad to hear it's not gpm's fault - because I'm a maintainer of the gpm package (: |
| 08:52.40 | outlaw84 | how do I unload? |
| 08:52.55 | peterS | outlaw84: 'rmmod usbhid' |
| 08:52.59 | peterS | and then 'modprobe usbmouse' |
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| 08:53.17 | Pepper | Hi! I've got a question about squishdot and zope2.7: Why squishdot persist on zope (2.6) even if zope2.7 is installed? squishdot requires zope (>=2.5...) zope2.7 provides zope |
| 08:53.17 | nomed^ | hi |
| 08:54.12 | outlaw84 | it got way worse now :/ |
| 08:54.16 | cougar` | Good night! |
| 08:54.20 | cougar` | 5 AM I'm out! |
| 08:54.24 | cougar` | SHIT! |
| 08:54.28 | cougar` | Didn't know it was 5 AM! |
| 08:54.31 | cougar` | word! |
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| 08:54.38 | peterS | outlaw84: oh, hmmm. I wonder if it's something in your hardware - the USB motherboard chip. probably not, it's probably the kernel drivers one way or another |
| 08:54.42 | nomed^ | i run gpg, and it takes so much time .. is it normal ? |
| 08:54.53 | peterS | nomed^: what operations take a lot of time? |
| 08:54.58 | Guerin | nomed^: depends |
| 08:55.09 | peterS | nomed^: gpg can be slow for several reasons, depending on *what* is slow |
| 08:55.41 | outlaw84 | peterS: all thu the chars stoped comming out... but the mouse got unsuable instead |
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| 08:55.46 | Guerin | Pepper: the maintainer of the squishbot package had no way of knowing that it'd work with 2.7, i guess |
| 08:56.02 | nomed^ | it has generated secring.gpg and pubring.gpg .. then 3th step .. "write message" <-- here |
| 08:56.03 | peterS | outlaw84: well. try 'dmesg | tail' to see if usbmouse spit out any warnings or errors |
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| 08:56.19 | Pepper | Guerin: Dependency says it should work. but apt keeps installing zope2.6 |
| 08:56.22 | peterS | nomed^: oh, it's waiting for you to type your message that it will encrypt or sign |
| 08:56.27 | peterS | nomed^: it's not slow, it's just waiting for you (: |
| 08:56.32 | peterS | nomed^: to end your message, hit ctrl-d |
| 08:56.36 | nomed^ | :D |
| 08:56.38 | nomed^ | ok thanks |
| 08:56.53 | peterS | nomed^: if you give it a filename it will work with that file instead of keyboard input |
| 08:57.03 | outlaw84 | peterS: no just shows the device register |
| 08:57.10 | Pepper | squishdot: Depends: zope (>= 2.3.2), zope2.7: Provides: zope Version: 2.7.5-2 |
| 08:57.27 | peterS | outlaw84: wait - I bet it's a /dev/input/mouse0 thing. try /dev/input/mice |
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| 08:57.35 | nomed^ | ops ... it couldn't find valid OpenPGP data .. |
| 08:57.50 | peterS | (that is - the actual device now will be /dev/input/mouse1 instead, since it's a "new" device because of the new driver) |
| 08:57.52 | Pepper | Guerin: Don't know why apt needs zope Version: 2.6.4-1.8 |
| 08:57.56 | Guerin | Pepper: oh, i see. |
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| 08:58.21 | Guerin | Pepper: try installing zope=2.7.whatever |
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| 08:58.30 | Pepper | Guerin: Done. |
| 08:58.38 | outlaw84 | peterS: same |
| 08:58.39 | Pepper | Guerin: even tried aptitude. |
| 08:58.56 | peterS | outlaw84: ok, see if the device is spewing characters at all: 'od -tx1 /dev/input/mice' |
| 08:59.02 | Pepper | Guerin: no way. even worst: it tries to install python 2.2 because of zope2.6 |
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| 08:59.11 | peterS | outlaw84: that'll dump raw mouse packets in hexadecimal, as you move the mouse |
| 08:59.17 | Guerin | Pepper: yeeps |
| 08:59.23 | Guerin | Pepper: what branch of debian? |
| 08:59.25 | peterS | mouse packets will each be 3 bytes long |
| 08:59.31 | Pepper | Guerin: sarge |
| 08:59.39 | Guerin | Pepper: what does the BTS say? |
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| 08:59.52 | Pepper | Guerin: nothing about it. shall I report? |
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| 09:00.04 | peterS | Pepper: nothing particularly wrong with python 2.2, you know. it'll coexist with python 2.3 and 2.4... |
| 09:00.17 | Guerin | Pepper: yeah, make sure it's not pebcak, but it seems like you've done your homework. |
| 09:01.18 | outlaw84 | peterS: Yea it showed data while I clicked... but not on every click and the values where not high enguh to be acsi chars |
| 09:01.47 | Pepper | peterS: Yes but running 2 zope instances on / might be a problem :-) |
| 09:01.57 | peterS | outlaw84: try this - 'od -tx1 -w3 -Anone < /dev/input/mice' |
| 09:02.12 | peterS | outlaw84: should show one line of 3 bytes, per mouse packet. every click, every release, every movement |
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| 09:02.43 | peterS | outlaw84: you can even decode what the mouse packets mean, just by observing for awhile. it's not all *that* complex |
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| 09:04.22 | Guerin | that article about eastfork on inquirer is awesome |
| 09:04.36 | Guerin | the straight dope, and no fluff |
| 09:05.16 | outlaw84 | peterS: I get "08 00 00" on every left click now |
| 09:05.19 | possie | to get udev running on my debian box, do i only have to do apt-get install udev? or do i need some kernel configurationa well? |
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| 09:06.20 | peterS | outlaw84: just that? |
| 09:06.40 | outlaw84 | peterS: oh I forgot to ask... does it mather if I do this in console mod or in X ? the problem is only in console mode |
| 09:06.44 | peterS | outlaw84: that's a button *release* event - there should have been a corresponding button *press* event |
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| 09:06.55 | peterS | outlaw84: the 'od' business does not matter - console or X. you'll need to be root. |
| 09:07.10 | outlaw84 | peterS: I got a 09 00 00 before aswell |
| 09:07.20 | outlaw84 | I am root |
| 09:07.39 | peterS | outlaw84: right, that's left button press. movement also causes events? middle column is horizontal movement, right column is vertical movement |
| 09:07.46 | nomed^ | gpg --gen-key .. dhoo .. :) |
| 09:07.46 | michal_ | i've just been told by someone that there is no reason not to run all your apps as root if you're the only one using the system because an app cannot accidentally crash the system |
| 09:07.59 | michal_ | "an app would have to be maliciously written to exploit /dev/mem" |
| 09:08.01 | cnaok | is question on programming appropriate here? |
| 09:08.06 | outlaw84 | peterS: yea I got events for that too |
| 09:08.13 | peterS | cnaok: not really but I know a lot about programming so you may as well ask now |
| 09:08.37 | peterS | outlaw84: it *appears* the kernel mouse driver is doing its job then. you restarted gpm after changing the kernel module? |
| 09:08.41 | michal_ | "just cause you're in root the app still runs in its own user-mode memory page" |
| 09:08.48 | michal_ | is this person correct? |
| 09:08.49 | Coke | michal_: all sane users run their apps as themselves. |
| 09:08.57 | outlaw84 | peterS: yea |
| 09:09.13 | Coke | michal_: yes, the user itself has no impact on whether the process in run in kernel space or user space. |
| 09:09.21 | peterS | michal_: not really. the real problem is that apps with security weaknesses to be exploited by outsiders are suddenly a lot more dangerous if you're running them as root |
| 09:09.22 | michal_ | coke: this user claims the opposite.. stup[id people go through the extra hassle of not running everything as root on a personal system |
| 09:09.31 | outlaw84 | peterS: but I get the chars in the prompt even without gpm running at all |
| 09:09.41 | cnaok | peterS, i want to program a keyboard key to hold string of symbols, say key F1="abcd", simplest way to achieve this? |
| 09:09.49 | michal_ | peters: so they're right.. a ssystem with no internet access might as well just have a root user |
| 09:09.58 | Coke | michal_: and extremely stupid people run everything as root and one day they have an accident and their entire system is bye-bye. |
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| 09:10.10 | peterS | cnaok: not a programming thing really. edit /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz, there's a way to add arbitrary strings to a function key |
| 09:10.20 | peterS | cnaok: if you hold on a bit I can dig up the right syntax |
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| 09:10.37 | Guerin | michal_: no, because local users are still a security liability |
| 09:10.37 | peterS | michal_: the other consideration is accidental damage done *by the user* |
| 09:10.44 | michal_ | coke: this user would counter that anybody who would accidentally wipe their system is stupid. but that they've been running fine for 20 years without that problem |
| 09:10.56 | outlaw84 | peterS: I had this problem on my laptop as well... but it just disapared after I hade a compiled a custom kernel... that trick didn't do it for this computer |
| 09:10.57 | peterS | michal_: you can do a lot less harm making a typo, if you aren't root |
| 09:10.59 | Guerin | as in: little timmy hits 'move' instead of 'copy' |
| 09:11.30 | michal_ | this guy writes network drivers for a living. he's not going to be swayed by those arguments |
| 09:11.34 | Coke | michal_: it's no hazzle to write sudo <command> when I _really_ need the power of root and I for one have made mistakes I'm glad my system said Permission Denied. |
| 09:11.38 | cnaok | peterS, no need for the syntax, thks. |
| 09:11.44 | peterS | michal_: related deal: think of 'becoming root' as a psychological trick that should cause you to suddenly be more careful about what you're doing |
| 09:11.45 | cnaok | peter |
| 09:12.06 | Coke | michal_: but sure, if you're that confident that you'll never make a mistake and you'll never run malicious code, then by all means, run as root all the time. |
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| 09:12.11 | geoffrey | hi there :) |
| 09:12.27 | peterS | cnaok: ok, when you've edited /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz - it'll load at boot time, as the filename suggests. to load it immediately, run 'loadkeys /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz' |
| 09:12.28 | geoffrey | I'd like to know if anyone uses the ximian connector for evolution |
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| 09:13.11 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 09:13.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:13.13 | Coke | michal_: anyway, that user is a bastard lier because nobody can use a system for twenty years without making any mistakes at all. that would be inhuman. |
| 09:13.19 | geoffrey | because i'm stuck : i can't set up an account because it only asks me a username and no exchange server... maybe I don't understand how it works... could anyone please help me? |
| 09:13.21 | peterS | michal_: last but possibly not least - here in #debian we hate to see newbies run stuff as root. including IRC sessions. so there is a +q flag on *!root@* in this channel, so you can't even talk in here until you fix your security weakness |
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| 09:13.58 | peterS | michal_: (not "your" security weakness - I mean someone who tries to run an irc client as root) |
| 09:14.16 | cnaok | peterS, can this id be extended to a on-screen keybboard? i want to add some keys to xkvbd which can hold string of symbols. |
| 09:14.36 | outlaw84 | 0 00 |
| 09:14.36 | outlaw84 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.57 | Guerin | michal_: bottom line is that anyone who chooses to be root can do. It's their funeral. Just don't expect voice in #debian or sympathy from anyone. |
| 09:15.02 | peterS | cnaok: no - the X server has its own keyboard handling that bypasses the boottime.kmap.gz stuff entirely |
| 09:15.30 | Guerin | mouse droppings |
| 09:15.36 | outlaw84 | axccidentally pasted the earlies text :) |
| 09:15.38 | peterS | yeah |
| 09:15.46 | peterS | outlaw84: yeah, I know, I wasn't holding it against you |
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| 09:16.15 | outlaw84 | :) |
| 09:16.27 | peterS | cnaok: keyboard handling in the X Window System is horrifically complicated. well, maybe not horrifically, but it's really difficult to grasp, partly because it's arcane and partly because it's poorly documented |
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| 09:17.02 | nomed^ | i need to write my DEBSIGN_KEYID in devscripts.conf .. how can i know the keyid? |
| 09:17.08 | cnaok | peterS, i have gone into the C source of xvkbd, able to add some keys which hold string of symbols, but the strings won't appear when i click the key. do i need to add to keysymdef? |
| 09:17.39 | peterS | cnaok: I don't know how onscreen keyboard software works. haven't dug into it. so it's hard to know what to advise |
| 09:18.04 | cnaok | peterS, no problem, thks. |
| 09:18.15 | peterS | cnaok: presumably it stuffs a keypress / keyrelease event pair into the client window with the focus |
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| 09:18.37 | peterS | cnaok: in which case you just have to find where it does this, and have it "know how" to stuff multiple events in, when it needs to send a whole string |
| 09:19.01 | michal_ | how would one create all files as a+rw via umask? I seem to be doing something wrong |
| 09:19.07 | cnaok | peterS, that is the missing link, at the moment. |
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| 09:19.24 | peterS | cnaok: however, I don't know the innards of keyboard handling / translation in X - maybe there is a different sort of mechanism it uses instead that I just don't know about |
| 09:19.30 | peterS | michal_: umask 0 |
| 09:19.41 | peterS | michal_: but that's usually as ill-advised as running everything as root (: |
| 09:19.56 | cnaok | peterS, no problem, have a nice day. |
| 09:20.01 | peterS | cnaok: hey, you too. good luck |
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| 09:22.08 | geoffrey | nobody can help me with my evolution-exchange problem? |
| 09:22.17 | Guerin | michal_: if you can't figure out how to do it yourself, you oughtn't be doing it |
| 09:22.27 | peterS | geoffrey: it'll be something to set up inside evolution. but where or how I do not know since I don't use it |
| 09:22.54 | geoffrey | ok peterS |
| 09:22.58 | michal_ | guerin: there's no manpage for it. i was assuming something incorrect about it |
| 09:23.45 | peterS | michal_: no manpage because it's a shell builtin. 'man bash' or similar |
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| 09:24.56 | michal_ | peters: ahh.. i tried man -k umask and thought it wasn't documented anywhere.. are there any full text search tools for manpages.. apart from grep :P |
| 09:25.26 | peterS | michal_: not really. the indexing kind of sucks - you have to already have some idea where you're looking |
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| 09:25.57 | aku | hi |
| 09:26.06 | peterS | michal_: if you know how umask works, you'll know it has to be a shell builtin, for example. because each process has a umask, which is inherited from its parent process. if 'umask' were not built into the shell, it would affect itself only, and the shell's umask wouldn't change |
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| 09:26.18 | michal_ | is umask an enviroment variable of some sort? I'm not entirely sure what it is.. i know what it does.. but not exactly how |
| 09:26.35 | michal_ | peters: well you just answered my question. thanks :) |
| 09:26.36 | peterS | michal_: it's a property of each process, maintained by the kernel. rather like environment variables are |
| 09:26.59 | peterS | michal_: the difference is that the umask is used by the kernel for file creation, whereas the environment is stored by the kernel but not actually used inside the kernel for anything |
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| 09:27.57 | michal_ | peters: and ulimit is the same sort of thing for limiting resources? |
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| 09:28.23 | ql | help, now i do have to configure the adsl connection(with pppoeconf) every time after boot? can i configure it once and don't have to configure it for another time? |
| 09:28.31 | ph8 | Is there a site to look for debian ports? |
| 09:28.36 | peterS | michal_: right - process limits are a lot like the umask, in that the kernel lets you read them, set them, processes inherit them, and the kernel uses them for something |
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| 09:28.53 | peterS | michal_: limits are a *little* different because the kernel doesn't let you *raise* your own limit - that would defeat the purpose (: |
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| 09:29.03 | PerfDave | ph8: What do you mean by "Debian ports"? |
| 09:29.40 | ph8 | i've seen the website before i just can't remember where it is |
| 09:29.45 | ph8 | But, for example, I need a copy of pcre |
| 09:29.49 | ph8 | and don't want to use the tarball |
| 09:29.51 | p30n | PerfDave: what would be the easiest way to install sarge for me when i got a system already running and connected to LAN/net but i do only have hddīs in it, no floppy or cd-rom |
| 09:29.54 | ph8 | But it's not on apt-get |
| 09:30.08 | peterS | ph8: packages.debian.org for things like pcre, which are in debian already |
| 09:30.25 | ph8 | ah |
| 09:30.26 | ph8 | hmm |
| 09:30.26 | ph8 | ta |
| 09:30.36 | peterS | ph8: or really, just 'apt-get install libpcre3-dev' |
| 09:30.45 | peterS | ph8: no need to fetch source, compile, etc. |
| 09:30.47 | PerfDave | ph8: http://www.apt-get.org/ has a list of unofficial repositories, http://www.backports.org/ has newer versions of software backported to Stable. |
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| 09:31.12 | PerfDave | p30n: Hang on, you've got just one system, and it has no floppy or CD? |
| 09:31.13 | possie | how can i see if udev is being used? |
| 09:31.35 | PerfDave | possie: dpkg -l udev |
| 09:31.57 | p30n | PerfDave: i got 3 systems, one is collapsed, and i got a laptop with floppy and cd which im on now, but the debian server only has hddīs, but its connected via lan |
| 09:32.25 | p30n | and its the server that needs reinstall |
| 09:32.45 | p30n | also wonder, should i try to make a 2.6 kernel or not ? |
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| 09:33.11 | possie | PerfDave: yes i got it installed |
| 09:33.15 | PerfDave | p30n: So you've got two working systems, but one is a laptop so you can't put the hard drive into the laptop. |
| 09:33.25 | p30n | PerfDave: exactly |
| 09:33.48 | possie | PerfDave: also i have no cluea what tmpfs is, i see tmpfs being mounted on /dev |
| 09:33.55 | PerfDave | p30n: What's the surver running currently? |
| 09:34.03 | p30n | PerfDave: unstable/testing |
| 09:34.09 | ql | is there any easy way to configure adsl? |
| 09:34.11 | p30n | a few months old sarge |
| 09:34.27 | PerfDave | p30n: If you have a spare partition, you can install with debootstrap. |
| 09:34.38 | peterS | ql: run 'pppoeconf' |
| 09:34.49 | whatever-thingy | hi - a quick question, the debian site lists 14 iso's(!) - would the first 4 be equivalent to other distros i.e. workstation / server stuff? |
| 09:34.59 | peterS | ql: I think it comes installed in the base system. if your DSL line uses PPPoE, which most of them do, this usually works very well, and is quite easy |
| 09:35.00 | p30n | PerfDave: i got 8 hddīs in it, 3 of em are empty, but they are sata disks, onyl got one ide that will 100% be able to boot from |
| 09:35.22 | peterS | whatever-thingy: the first 2 probably would be |
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| 09:35.26 | p30n | but the ide is already ext3 and / on the existing sarge |
| 09:35.28 | christianp | hi all |
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| 09:35.42 | gets | bonjour |
| 09:35.56 | whatever-thingy | peterS: many thanks... |
| 09:35.58 | peterS | whatever-thingy: they are ordered by installation popularity, as estimated by people who voluntarily run programs that report the stats on what they have installed and what they use |
| 09:36.07 | peterS | whatever-thingy: so CD 1 has the most popular packages, etc. |
| 09:36.07 | christianp | i apt-get a samba source. Where can i find it? |
| 09:36.17 | gets | bye |
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| 09:36.20 | peterS | christianp: 'apt-get source' dumps into the current directory |
| 09:36.34 | golanz | a question on usb drives: when I attach one, my dmesg doesn't tell me where it is attached (eg. sdb1) |
| 09:36.43 | golanz | how can I discover the right dev for sure? |
| 09:36.45 | jm_ | yes it does |
| 09:36.47 | christianp | ok peterS thanks |
| 09:36.47 | peterS | golanz: unfortunately that is true. /proc/partitions will list it. |
| 09:36.58 | ql | i do use pppoeconf but each time i reboot i seem that i need to pppoeconf for another time! i dont know why? |
| 09:36.58 | whatever-thingy | peterS: great |
| 09:37.02 | xoz | golanz: try hwinfo |
| 09:37.07 | p30n | golanz: try to mount different sdc sdd sde etc |
| 09:37.14 | Guerin | no |
| 09:37.17 | Guerin | don't just guess shit |
| 09:37.21 | peterS | ql: I don't know why either. possibly you have ppp set up *not* to start at boot time, or something |
| 09:37.24 | Guerin | fdisk -l will tell you where it is |
| 09:37.25 | golanz | peterS and xoz : thanks ; p30n, doesn't seem a good approach |
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| 09:37.42 | p30n | well fdisk -l didnt work for me so... |
| 09:37.47 | p30n | thats what i did |
| 09:37.48 | Guerin | p30n: pebcak |
| 09:38.02 | p30n | pebcak ? |
| 09:38.06 | Eulex | !pebkac |
| 09:38.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 09:38.09 | ql | does rcconf will let ppp start at boot ime? |
| 09:38.22 | golanz | thanks guerin too |
| 09:38.23 | Guerin | ql: if your telling him to |
| 09:38.25 | christianp | peterS: i apt-get it some weeks ago: how can i find where is it? |
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| 09:38.44 | peterS | ql: in debian sarge I forget which is the recommended way to do this, but I think you put something in /etc/network/interfaces to indicate this |
| 09:39.00 | peterS | ql: I installed my DSL line long before debian sarge was released, so I used a different method |
| 09:39.20 | peterS | christianp: 'locate samba_*.orig.tar.gz' |
| 09:40.27 | jm_ | ql: /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot |
| 09:40.32 | ql | how should i write to my interface file |
| 09:40.48 | christianp | peterS, thanks again ;-) |
| 09:40.55 | peterS | christianp: cheers |
| 09:41.05 | jm_ | ql: /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz |
| 09:41.17 | ql | oh thanks jm_ |
| 09:41.33 | peterS | ql: yeah, listen to jm_, he always knows what he's talking about |
| 09:41.36 | Guerin | wtf, my box is reporting only 192 of 384MB again |
| 09:41.42 | jm_ | peterS: no I don't ;) |
| 09:41.53 | Guerin | except for when he says he doesn't |
| 09:41.56 | Guerin | then he's wrong |
| 09:41.56 | peterS | jm_: when you offer advice I think you're pretty much always right. if you don't know you tend to keep your mouth shut |
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| 09:42.17 | peterS | jm_: well, maybe not always, but you have a good record |
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| 09:46.12 | p30n | anyway i could boot my server and install debian from over LAN if i either have netinstall on hdd or on another computers cdrom drive ? |
| 09:46.57 | peterS | p30n: the debian installer has a tarball of stuff you can put on your netboot tftp server, and then set it up correctly to serve those files, to run debian-installer straight off a netboot. |
| 09:47.13 | christianp | where can i find a good howto to manage smb accounts through LDAP? |
| 09:47.17 | joris | any vsftpd experts arround? I want to keep the /etc/passwd users while also enabeling the pam userdb |
| 09:47.24 | geoffrey | bye all |
| 09:47.25 | geoffrey | ;) |
| 09:47.26 | PerfDave | *sigh* HTML version: 6k. OOo version: 8.5k. Word version: 22k. |
| 09:47.26 | p30n | ok, whats this tftp netboot server ? |
| 09:47.29 | geoffrey | and thanks for everything |
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| 09:47.42 | simonrvn | PerfDave: ugh. |
| 09:48.05 | peterS | p30n: have you got netbooting working already? or are you starting from the beginning? |
| 09:48.16 | peterS | p30n: I mean in general - do you netboot machines off a server now? |
| 09:48.28 | p30n | peterS: no =/ |
| 09:49.10 | christianp | how can i reset all the config file in an apt-getted package? |
| 09:49.26 | peterS | p30n: you need 2 or 3 pieces of software, in general, for netbooting. netbooting on a PC is known as "PXE", which is an Intel spec, so you have to install a debian package such as 'pxe' on your netboot server |
| 09:49.41 | jm_ | christianp: you can reinstall it with dpkg with appropriate options |
| 09:49.51 | PerfDave | christianp: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/176 |
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| 09:50.00 | p30n | ok, well thanks for the nfo but i think im better off with finding a cdrom to put in the server i need to reinstall on |
| 09:50.10 | peterS | p30n: then you need a BOOTP/DHCP server such as the Debian package 'dhcp3-server'. this gives the client machine its IP address and basic network info |
| 09:50.29 | p30n | peterS: could u tell me why i should use either 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
| 09:50.38 | p30n | peterS: netboot seems to much of a hassle |
| 09:50.40 | peterS | p30n: finally, a TFTP server, which is pointed to by the TFTP and/or PXE servers. the TFTP server is a simple file server to send boot images and stuff to the client |
| 09:50.50 | peterS | p30n: it *is* a hassle if you don't already have it basically set up |
| 09:50.59 | p30n | floppyears: i can see that |
| 09:51.05 | p30n | peterS: .. |
| 09:51.14 | peterS | p30n: if you do, setting up the debian-installer netboot image is not all that tough. but getting to that point is frustrating |
| 09:51.32 | fman | anyone here running courier-imap |
| 09:52.12 | veleno | where do i find a deb package of Mozilla Sunbird ? |
| 09:52.30 | peterS | p30n: the good news - on non-PC platforms, you only need 2 components - TFTP and BOOTP. only x86 machines need the PXE server in addition |
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| 09:52.34 | PerfDave | veleno: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:54.10 | ph8|out | who was helping me before? |
| 09:54.14 | ph8|out | They're trying to install verlihub |
| 09:54.17 | ph8|out | some sharing software |
| 09:54.27 | ph8|out | it's failing on the mysql-dev library test: |
| 09:54.27 | ph8|out | AC_MSG_CHECKING(for mysql-devel) |
| 09:54.27 | ph8|out | if noapos_mysql --cflags &> /dev/null; then |
| 09:54.27 | ph8|out | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.36 | ph8|out | gah, got me |
| 09:54.45 | streuner | ph8|out: Don't paste here |
| 09:54.49 | peterS | ph8|out: in cases like those, you want to look for a *-dev package name |
| 09:55.10 | peterS | ph8|out: in your case, probably libmysqlclient14-dev |
| 09:55.17 | ph8|out | I've got it |
| 09:55.21 | ph8|out | hasn't changed things |
| 09:56.07 | ph8|out | Wondered if anyone would recognise the test |
| 09:56.12 | ph8|out | and be able to tell me what i was looking for |
| 09:56.32 | peterS | ph8|out: dunno then. maybe the test wasn't designed to be robust against a wide range of mysql client libs. maybe you need libmysqlclient12-dev or something |
| 09:56.37 | Overand | analogx? |
| 09:56.39 | Overand | well hell. |
| 09:56.46 | Overand | i thought he was a windows guy only |
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| 09:57.58 | ph8|out | i've tried them all ;) |
| 09:59.03 | peterS | ph8|out: no idea then. maybe the developers in question are on crack |
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| 10:00.14 | ph8|out | tis what i'm saying to my user :) |
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| 10:00.37 | ph8|out | does the noapos_mysql binary ring a bell to anyone? |
| 10:00.41 | ph8|out | apparently that's what i'm missing |
| 10:00.43 | ph8|out | never heard of it |
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| 10:07.16 | alogon | any torsmo/font experts awake? the font doesnt change when i try one i find in xfontsel.. not sure what i am screwing up |
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| 10:09.30 | eonn | guys can anyone spare a moment to assist me setting up xserver for an nvidia mx440 |
| 10:10.00 | simonrvn | just ask |
| 10:10.17 | Guerin | !drxx eonn |
| 10:10.18 | dpkg | eonn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
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| 10:10.28 | eonn | okay thanks |
| 10:10.31 | Guerin | eonn: choose 'nv'. say NO to the kernel framebuffer |
| 10:10.46 | eonn | will try it...thanks kpkg and guerin |
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| 10:13.03 | d3s | where should I go for shell scripting channel? |
| 10:13.19 | peterS | d3s: there exists #bash. supposed to be reasonable, but I haven't been there |
| 10:14.08 | d3s | thx peterS |
| 10:14.27 | Guerin | greycat pwns #bash |
| 10:15.13 | eonn | guys its asking for a bus identifier..(for the nvidia MX440) should i just hit enter and leave it blank |
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| 10:15.20 | peterS | eonn: yes |
| 10:15.26 | eonn | cheer peter |
| 10:15.29 | eonn | cheers |
| 10:15.32 | peterS | eonn: unless you have multiple nvidia cards in the same machine - then you have to specify so it knows which one you want to use |
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| 10:19.10 | eonn | any specific Xserver86 modules i should select? |
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| 10:19.35 | drac | eonn: NVidia: type1, dbe, freetype, glx, extmod AND NOTHING ELSE. |
| 10:19.40 | jm_ | Guerin told you |
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| 10:20.53 | eonn | drac thanks! |
| 10:21.15 | Guerin | jm_: told me what? |
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| 10:22.21 | zyg | i use gnome,and how could i add language at the "language" toolbar of the gnome desktop manager? |
| 10:23.18 | jm_ | Guerin: ahh my bad, he asked about the modules, not the driver (I wanted to say you told him to use nv driver) |
| 10:23.23 | llama32 | anyone know of an app that can graph a heap of plain numbers in a simple text file (eg "1 2 3 2 3 4 3......")? |
| 10:23.32 | jm_ | llama32: ploticus |
| 10:23.45 | Guerin | ah |
| 10:23.59 | jm_ | Guerin: should have started it like eonn: blabla to avoid the confusin ;) |
| 10:24.06 | snail | llama32: gnuplot if its going to be seen by an academic :) |
| 10:24.11 | Guerin | jm_: oh, i see |
| 10:24.18 | Guerin | you weren't even talking to me :) |
| 10:24.29 | llama32 | thanks heaps jm_, snail too |
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| 10:26.37 | eonn | you guys are great! Graphic card working beautifully...big thanks to DPKG, GUERIN, PETERS, and DRAC |
| 10:27.27 | peterS | np, eonn. glad to know it all worked |
| 10:27.40 | d03boy | why isnt there an .xsession file on default? |
| 10:27.45 | d03boy | is that normal? |
| 10:28.09 | peterS | d03boy: yes, it's normal. then you just get a default session, as determined by what packages are installed |
| 10:28.22 | d03boy | hmm |
| 10:28.36 | d03boy | but I can make myself an .xsession and customize it right? |
| 10:28.51 | Guerin | d03boy: nobody's stopping you |
| 10:28.51 | d03boy | im just trying to get my 7 button mouse to work |
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| 10:30.12 | d03boy | shhh :| |
| 10:30.36 | Shadowc4t | so what did you do with that mandrake laptop? |
| 10:31.28 | peterS | d03boy: you *can* just copy /etc/X11/Xsession over, and insert your custom stuff before the 'for SESSIONFILE in $SESSIONFILES' loop |
| 10:31.54 | Shadowc4t | heh |
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| 10:32.03 | Shadowc4t | all I do in X is open up a terminal anyway |
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| 10:32.06 | jm_ | peterS: there's no need to do this, it will run users xsession if it exists |
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| 10:32.29 | peterS | jm_: right, but then it won't run the default system stuff |
| 10:32.51 | peterS | jm_: I don't know of any way to run user stuff and *then* default system stuff. this would be very useful. |
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| 10:33.53 | jm_ | peterS: yes, it only runs common things (like xrdb, ssh-agent) |
| 10:34.12 | d03boy | well, I've been reading on setting up my mouse to get scroll to work and forward/back buttons. I was just getting a little confused becausee one thing would say to edit the .xinitrc file, another would say .Xmodmap and another something else |
| 10:34.26 | d03boy | although none of them end up working anyway |
| 10:34.44 | Shadowc4t | uhh |
| 10:34.51 | Shadowc4t | who needs back/forward buttons |
| 10:34.53 | Shadowc4t | mouse gestures! |
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| 10:35.22 | Guerin | bah, mouse gestures suck |
| 10:35.29 | d03boy | i prefer my buttons |
| 10:35.30 | Shadowc4t | mouse gestures > * |
| 10:35.42 | d03boy | i randomly move hte mouse around all the time |
| 10:35.52 | d03boy | i'd end up exploding foriegn countries or something |
| 10:36.14 | Shadowc4t | uhh? |
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| 10:36.21 | Shadowc4t | mouse gestures work with button combination |
| 10:36.22 | cmihai | Yeah, think about the people with parkinsons :) |
| 10:36.23 | Shadowc4t | s |
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| 10:36.46 | d03boy | Shadowc4t, or I could just push a button? |
| 10:36.53 | d03boy | lets think about this one :P |
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| 10:37.11 | d03boy | anyways... |
| 10:37.26 | Shadowc4t | I don't have a seven button mouse |
| 10:37.32 | Shadowc4t | no point to having one on a laptop |
| 10:37.41 | d03boy | i'm on a laptop |
| 10:37.45 | d03boy | in fact, all I own is laptops |
| 10:37.52 | Shadowc4t | then use the scrollpad |
| 10:37.56 | Shadowc4t | that's what I do |
| 10:37.59 | d03boy | haha, it doesnt work, thats next on my list |
| 10:38.05 | Shadowc4t | pfft |
| 10:38.13 | d03boy | i have a touchpad, not a scrollpad though |
| 10:38.26 | Shadowc4t | I got my synaptics scrolling working a week into debian |
| 10:38.34 | Shadowc4t | and that was when I didn't even know how to use grep correctly |
| 10:38.47 | d03boy | mine was working right fromt he install |
| 10:38.54 | d03boy | not scrolling.. |
| 10:38.57 | Shadowc4t | yet I somehow figured out how to edit the XFree86 config file |
| 10:39.06 | Shadowc4t | the default X Driver sucks |
| 10:39.11 | d03boy | well, i had it all set up before.. i had a different mouse though |
| 10:39.31 | d03boy | i had my logitech mx510 set up, now im trying to get my MS intellimouse 3.0 to work |
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| 10:39.41 | drac | Shadowc4t: Synaptics driver is integrated to X.Org, so it's just XFree86 Default Driver that sucks. |
| 10:39.42 | Shadowc4t | Ms Hardware in Linux? |
| 10:39.49 | Shadowc4t | somehow that just seems wrong |
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| 10:39.57 | Draconicus | My input sound module in ALSA isn't working properly, I don't think, or isn't configured into programs. The mic works, but no apps can communicate with the ALSA module. |
| 10:40.02 | jm_ | and you can install a better one for XFree86 too |
| 10:40.04 | Shadowc4t | drac: and I ain't upgrading to XOrg before that i810 bug goes away |
| 10:40.21 | eonn | guys how do i set kde as my default windows manager? |
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| 10:40.39 | Shadowc4t | eonn: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 10:41.00 | MrRagga | hi, is there any repository for java and flash? |
| 10:41.10 | drac | MrRagga: flash is in Debian. |
| 10:41.30 | drac | MrRagga: You need 'main contrib non-free' in /etc/apt/sources.list instead of just 'main' |
| 10:41.30 | PerfDave | MrRagga: For Sun's Java, /msg dpkg java |
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| 10:42.31 | MrRagga | drac: thx |
| 10:42.34 | MrRagga | PerfDave: thx |
| 10:42.38 | d03boy | does dpkg have a search functin |
| 10:42.41 | d03boy | *function |
| 10:42.46 | PerfDave | d03boy: /msg dpkg search |
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| 10:42.58 | Draconicus | Hello? :( |
| 10:43.04 | d03boy | i mean the bot himself |
| 10:43.06 | Draconicus | This is a problem that's been going on for a while, now. |
| 10:43.08 | tarzeau | Draconicus: non-free or contrib are not debian |
| 10:43.24 | tarzeau | so, no flash isn't in debian |
| 10:43.25 | d03boy | oh |
| 10:43.26 | d03boy | nevermind |
| 10:44.00 | torc | how do i switch between consoles on powerpc? |
| 10:44.16 | simonrvn | same as any other arch... |
| 10:44.26 | torc | its not working :/ |
| 10:44.28 | simonrvn | wtf would that be different? |
| 10:44.29 | drac | tarzeau: yeah, getting flash downloads it from somewhere else.. and it's non-free.. to be exact |
| 10:44.38 | simonrvn | torc: ibook/pbook? |
| 10:44.47 | torc | simonrvn: powerbook. |
| 10:44.51 | tarzeau | drac: and very non-portable too |
| 10:44.56 | simonrvn | need to press Fn first |
| 10:45.09 | Draconicus | tarzeau: Ah. Thanks. |
| 10:45.16 | tarzeau | torc: omg you really wiped the disc of your friends pbook? |
| 10:45.29 | torc | tarzeau: sure;) |
| 10:45.41 | torc | simonrvn: hold the Fn? |
| 10:45.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:45.52 | simonrvn | (i think) |
| 10:46.13 | torc | simonrvn: nope, not working :/ |
| 10:46.29 | torc | not alt+f2, nor fn+alt+f2 :) |
| 10:46.33 | simonrvn | well, Fn needs to be in the combo somehow, i know that for a fact |
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| 10:46.40 | simonrvn | from x? |
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| 10:46.46 | torc | simple console. |
| 10:46.48 | simonrvn | or just console to console? |
| 10:47.11 | simonrvn | try alt-fn-f2 maybe |
| 10:47.19 | torc | yep :) |
| 10:47.23 | simonrvn | cool |
| 10:47.29 | torc | thansk :) |
| 10:47.34 | simonrvn | np |
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| 10:48.04 | dogayonv | is there a way to talk to a user who is using the system from KDE when your only using Shell? |
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| 10:48.11 | torc | tarzeau: it thanks me for choosing debian, what should i do now? |
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| 10:48.12 | Guerin | dogayonv: irc |
| 10:48.20 | dogayonv | any other way |
| 10:48.24 | PerfDave | dogayonv: What sort of a way did you have in mind? |
| 10:48.33 | dogayonv | just some way to msg them besides a IM |
| 10:48.43 | simonrvn | wall ;p |
| 10:48.44 | dogayonv | something like talk |
| 10:48.56 | dogayonv | will wall work in kd3 if they have no shell open/ |
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| 10:49.01 | dogayonv | sorry kde |
| 10:49.10 | phorce1 | OK, this is really odd. What could make a box (sarge in this case) suddenly stop routing beyond the switch it is currently connected to? I've tried resetting all the switches thinking it was a MAC table problem but ... |
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| 10:49.30 | simonrvn | only if they have a term open |
| 10:49.30 | PerfDave | dogayonv: No, they won't see it if they don't have a shell open. |
| 10:49.34 | dogayonv | phorce1 bad nic card? |
| 10:49.40 | phorce1 | the box will only ping other boxes on the switch it is currently plugged into and nothing else on the internal network |
| 10:49.47 | PerfDave | dogayonv: If you've got root, you can gain access to their X server and bring up a popup or something. |
| 10:49.53 | Guerin | dogayonv: email |
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| 10:50.19 | Guerin | or just open a terminal and start talking to them |
| 10:50.22 | Guerin | :) |
| 10:50.44 | phorce1 | dogayonv: Why would it be able to ping another IP that is connected to the same switch and not one that is on a different switch if it was a bad NIC. All IP's in the same /24 |
| 10:50.45 | dogayonv | I do have root and no there is no email for the user how would I do that? I mean as root how would I display it on their screen? |
| 10:51.00 | jm_ | dogayonv: man xmessage |
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| 10:51.28 | torc | changing "stable" to "testing" in source.list is enough to upgrade to testing from sarge? |
| 10:51.30 | yaccobb | somehow session manager dissapeared from gnome menu and gnome system settings... how can I run it manually (command) please ? |
| 10:51.43 | dogayonv | I dont know phorce1 but one of my nics went bad yesterday and it would stop working but rebooting would get it working again, I just replaced it problem gone |
| 10:51.54 | OldakQuill | To display Japanese text (I have UTF-8 set as default), do I need to get the correct xfont? |
| 10:51.55 | PerfDave | torc: That and apt-get dist-upgrade. But you'll lose security updates. |
| 10:52.13 | dogayonv | thanks for the help everyone have a good day |
| 10:52.13 | torc | PerfDave: its kind of an experimental box. |
| 10:52.24 | snail | yaccobb: open a shell and type it in |
| 10:52.37 | phorce1 | dogayonv: sparc ultra2 using internal NIC - not sure I have an sbus NIC lying around. ;) |
| 10:52.46 | torc | PerfDave: you mean security updates at all, or just they will get there slower? |
| 10:52.47 | simonrvn | oh, heh |
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| 10:52.51 | wads3 | hi |
| 10:52.54 | simonrvn | torc: not at all |
| 10:53.03 | yaccobb | snail, i asked for name of that app;) gnome-session-something.... |
| 10:53.07 | d03boy | its testing, who needs security? pshh |
| 10:53.09 | wads3 | when i mount my external drive, and when i try to write something to it... |
| 10:53.14 | wads3 | it says it's only readfilesystem |
| 10:53.19 | torc | simonrvn: so, its fine? |
| 10:53.22 | wads3 | how can i make it full write able? |
| 10:53.33 | simonrvn | torc: no, no security updates at all |
| 10:53.44 | yaccobb | snail, I am not english so i can't guess from czech names |
| 10:53.50 | torc | simonrvn: lol, sure. |
| 10:53.52 | phorce1 | the damn thing consistently connects to any of the other IP's plugged into the same switc as it is -- but it won't travel across to any other switch and IP in the building (or outside for that matter) |
| 10:54.04 | torc | is it possible to go back from testint -> sarge then? |
| 10:54.08 | torc | testing( |
| 10:54.42 | PerfDave | torc: Only by reinstalling. |
| 10:54.43 | jm_ | torc: it's possible, but as you're asking us, not for you |
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| 10:55.12 | torc | jm_: thank you, oracle. |
| 10:55.16 | simonrvn | torc: if you didn't do any upgrades (install the new packages) sure it's easy, but you're fucked otherwise |
| 10:55.42 | torc | so, i'd better stay with sarge. |
| 10:55.58 | wads3 | hello |
| 10:56.06 | torc | and when its stable, i only need to do apt-get update when another revision is released, right? |
| 10:56.09 | wads3 | anybody knows why my external drive is being read-only? |
| 10:56.11 | jm_ | you don't hear many people say that, good thinking ;) |
| 10:56.23 | jm_ | torc: no, read what update does |
| 10:56.28 | xoz | torc: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 10:56.43 | simonrvn | wads3: maybe you need to fsck it? try setting the perms/privs if it's say fat16/fat32/ntfs |
| 10:56.47 | PerfDave | torc: No, you'll need to follow the release notes to upgrade to a new release safely. |
| 10:56.50 | torc | thanks, everyone :) |
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| 10:57.39 | simonrvn | one thing running sid on my main box has taught me is how to deal with sudden changes in software ;) |
| 10:57.57 | simonrvn | ....not exactly fun sometimes, but certainly educational |
| 10:59.16 | torc | will i lose security updates with sid? :) |
| 10:59.47 | jethro | torc: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:59.56 | PerfDave | torc: Yes. Stable is the only branch of Debian that gets security updates. |
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| 11:00.10 | phorce1 | I guess I'll have to dig for an SBUS HappyMeal NIC to find out if it's the NIC causing this oddball problem --- or just sftp the apache config to the Ultra1 I'm not using right now <sigh> goodbye SMP |
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| 11:01.51 | phorce1 | that was annoying |
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| 11:02.25 | torc | how do i know whats going on in testing? some mailing list for it available? |
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| 11:06.10 | umbop | hey guys, yeh know the IBM thinkpads, with those nipple like mice they have in the middle, what input device would i select, presumably /dev/input/mice ? |
| 11:06.31 | tarzeau | torc: install wmaker gnustep x-window-system-core ? |
| 11:06.39 | liable | yep, or /dev/psaux |
| 11:06.47 | torc | tarzeau: in a minute :) |
| 11:06.50 | jethro | @annoy liable |
| 11:06.50 | ravenbird | liable: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 11:07.02 | umbop | hmm liable, either will work? |
| 11:07.08 | liable | heh, g'day jethro :) |
| 11:07.28 | xoz | umbop: modprobe psmouse |
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| 11:07.38 | tarzeau | torc: don't forget popularity-contest and maybe nullmailer |
| 11:07.42 | jethro | liable: hi :) |
| 11:07.54 | liable | umbop: yeah, apparently, though I used psaux with xfree |
| 11:07.57 | tarzeau | jethro: we missed you yesterday. tonight for some bubbling fun? |
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| 11:08.15 | jethro | tarzeau: I have a job interview tonight, then a date :) |
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| 11:08.24 | umbop | hmm thanks :) |
| 11:08.27 | tarzeau | jethro: have fun with the date. what's her name? |
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| 11:08.34 | jethro | tarzeau: boss :) |
| 11:08.53 | liable | hah, cant go wrong :) |
| 11:08.59 | tarzeau | jethro: woman? |
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| 11:09.10 | jethro | tarzeau: of course ! :) |
| 11:09.24 | simonrvn | date date, or business date? |
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| 11:10.02 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 11:10.10 | jethro | well, both to be honest. first I shall negociate a contract, then I'll shag |
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| 11:10.16 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 11:10.23 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:10.24 | simonrvn | good luck ;) |
| 11:10.27 | jethro | ta :) |
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| 11:11.47 | liable | shag jethro |
| 11:12.01 | liable | bah :( |
| 11:12.05 | liable | !shag jethro |
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| 11:13.09 | seven_six_two | when i install sarge, should notail, noatime, nodev, nosuid, ro or sync be set on / partition? |
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| 11:15.19 | jm_ | seven_six_two: is your /dev on /? |
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| 11:15.26 | tetsuo69_ | hia ll |
| 11:15.42 | bibe | hi tetsuo69_ |
| 11:15.55 | tetsuo69_ | anyone here uses firestarter firewall? |
| 11:16.11 | Eulex | tetsuo69_, that is a poll, not a question |
| 11:16.18 | seven_six_two | jm_: yes |
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| 11:16.28 | jm_ | seven_six_two: so why do you think it should have nodev? |
| 11:16.45 | tetsuo69_ | ok, here's my question: how do i close ports with firestarter? :) |
| 11:16.48 | bibe | seven_six_two : jm_ is right, how can you use devices in /dev with the nodev option |
| 11:16.49 | seven_six_two | jm_: oh yeah. ok that on not then |
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| 11:16.58 | Coke | !anybody |
| 11:16.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:17.07 | tarzeau | tetsuo69_: i really like shorewall |
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| 11:17.34 | petemc | tetsuo69_: why are the ports open in the first place? |
| 11:18.02 | Coke | tetsuo69_: http://www.fs-security.com/docs.php |
| 11:18.12 | Eulex | seven_six_two, ro means read-only, sync means that things aren't buffered in memory but are written directly -- you don't want any of those for your root fs |
| 11:18.23 | jm_ | seven_six_two: so the same with others - check what they do and then decide if you need them or not |
| 11:18.40 | tetsuo69_ | petemc :what does this means? |
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| 11:18.46 | Coke | petemc: I think he means he wants to ignore port contact on TCP level. |
| 11:19.11 | Coke | tetsuo69_: you don't want to close the ports, you want make sure that nobody can connect to them, right? |
| 11:19.11 | petemc | Coke: however did you infer that? |
| 11:19.22 | Eulex | tetsuo69_, inbound or outbound ports? |
| 11:19.25 | Coke | petemc: firestarter has to do with firewalls, not connection management. |
| 11:19.41 | umbop | hmm what windows manager do you guys use out of curiosity? |
| 11:19.42 | petemc | Coke: i know what firestarter is.. |
| 11:19.53 | tarzeau | what could cause a "zcat: stdout: Broken pipe" ? |
| 11:19.54 | shuveb | hello, how do i search for packages that match a pattern using apt-get/dpkg? |
| 11:19.56 | tetsuo69_ | Coke:no, ijust want to know how to block every kind of traffic on a port.. |
| 11:19.58 | Coke | petemc: a firewall does not close, nor does it open ports. it controls TCP flow. |
| 11:20.06 | tarzeau | shuveb: apt-cache search |
| 11:20.14 | PeterB | shuveb: Read /msg dpkg search |
| 11:20.14 | tarzeau | shuveb: apt-cache search '*-doc' for example? |
| 11:20.18 | shuveb | tarzeau, thanks a lot |
| 11:20.19 | Coke | yes, I know, but that's not "closing" a port. |
| 11:20.36 | Coke | tetsuo69_: in either case, the URL I gave you should be sufficient. |
| 11:20.38 | shuveb | tarzeau, exactly |
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| 11:20.54 | petemc | Coke: other than asking how you inferred what you did, i didnt ask you any questions, so please dont spout that drivel my direction |
| 11:21.05 | Coke | petemc: drivel drivel drivel |
| 11:21.07 | shuveb | tarzeau, for example list all packages named *openssl* |
| 11:21.16 | shuveb | tarzeau, will that command work? |
| 11:21.17 | tarzeau | shuveb: just do apt-cache search openssl |
| 11:21.24 | Eulex | tetsuo69_, inbound connections are blocked by default -- and you can setup outbound connections to be blocked by default |
| 11:21.26 | tarzeau | shuveb: you need to escape .* properly |
| 11:21.33 | shuveb | tarzeau, exactly wht i needed, thanks man |
| 11:21.47 | tarzeau | shuveb: but it's slow as hell |
| 11:21.56 | shuveb | :( |
| 11:22.08 | shuveb | tarzeau, how does synaptic do it in a jiffy? |
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| 11:22.18 | Coke | petemc: I inferred it because you said "why are the ports open in the first place" and I explained to you that it was a mistake in use of terms on tetsuo69_'s side. That's all. |
| 11:22.30 | tarzeau | shuveb: no idea, i don't like synaptic |
| 11:22.47 | shuveb | tarzeau, particularly when u are over ssl ... :-D |
| 11:22.55 | shuveb | tarzeau, i mean ssh |
| 11:23.10 | tarzeau | shuveb: remote x you mean? |
| 11:23.19 | tetsuo69_ | Eulex :ok so u say every inbound connection is blocked by default, because i wrote a little port scn in perl an i tested it on myself, i got a lot of ports open.. |
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| 11:23.55 | tetsuo69_ | Eulex :and i'm worried 'bout it.. |
| 11:24.16 | shuveb | tarzeau, i mean when u are connected over ssh.. and no x forwarding... then no synaptic... since i'm a gentoo guy, just changed over to debian/ubuntu, i'm having the usual startup problems |
| 11:24.21 | petemc | tetsuo69_: so find out whats keeping those ports open, and decide if you need to keep running it |
| 11:24.26 | Eulex | tetsuo69_, which ip did you scan? |
| 11:24.35 | tetsuo69_ | Eulex :127.0.0.1 |
| 11:24.40 | petemc | .. |
| 11:25.26 | tetsuo69_ | petemc :that's why i askd bout firestarter, how can i see wich service is using my ports??:) |
| 11:25.48 | Eulex | tetsuo69_, firestarter doesn't block ports on lo |
| 11:25.51 | bibe | tetsuo69_ : netstat -plut |
| 11:25.54 | petemc | tetsuo69_: let me guess this straight, you're writing port scanners in perl, but dont know how to see what app is doing what? |
| 11:26.07 | shuveb | tarzeau, its real fast here... not slow at all!! |
| 11:27.01 | Eulex | tetsuo69_, try scanning the ip you're assigned to by your isp, not 127.0.0.1 or 192.168.x.x or 10.0.x.x |
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| 11:29.55 | tetsuo69_ | have to go.. thank u all, this is surely the best debian channel.. |
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| 11:32.46 | p30n | question: what kernel should i use when installing new sarge r0, i would want support for software raid |
| 11:32.49 | p30n | 2.6 or 2.4 = |
| 11:32.51 | p30n | ? |
| 11:33.52 | jm_ | both support it |
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| 11:35.16 | liable | p30n: have a look here too. http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 11:37.29 | tarzeau | liable: if i want raid-1 by software, what do? |
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| 11:39.41 | liable | tarzeau: have a look at the faq. |
| 11:40.08 | p30n | ok, i got it that far, but can someone tell me why i should use 2.6 kernel, or why i shouldnt use that ? |
| 11:40.42 | p30n | like, whats better with 2.6/2.4 thats not in 2.4./2.6 |
| 11:40.45 | p30n | =) |
| 11:41.04 | PerfDave | p30n: 2.6 has better hardware support. It is theoretically better, but opinions vary. |
| 11:41.23 | p30n | PerfDave: ok, so i would probably be better off with 2.6, then ? |
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| 11:41.53 | umbop | hmm i've just installed xserver, and common etc, and then implemented xdm and fluxbox, and changed run levels to 5, but even with xdm starting, i'm not getting an interface initiated |
| 11:41.57 | p30n | my friend had some wierd problems, he said that he couldnt get the gigabit network card to work in 2.6, but the sata did, but in 2.4 the network was ok, but the sata wasnt |
| 11:42.36 | umbop | so i'm obviously missing something? |
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| 11:42.52 | p30n | PerfDave: what would be better for me, as im a "semi"-n00b and want as little trouble as possible? |
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| 11:43.29 | PerfDave | p30n: *shrug* You probably own't have much hassle with either. I'd recommend going with 2.6 just because it seems to be more actively maintained. |
| 11:43.47 | p30n | PerfDave: ok, will do, thanks for the tip |
| 11:43.49 | umbop | and a startx, i get XIO: fatal IO error 104 (cionnection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests |
| 11:44.22 | umbop | can't find file pc/uk for symbols include exciting. Abandoning symbols file "default" |
| 11:44.32 | PeterB | umbop: Why did you change the runlevel? |
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| 11:46.54 | umbop | well 2-5 are multiuser, so i just did it to see if it made any difference |
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| 11:47.20 | PeterB | umbop: They are all the same, unless you change them yourself. |
| 11:47.41 | liable | !drxx umbop |
| 11:47.42 | dpkg | umbop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
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| 11:47.53 | umbop | thanks |
| 11:48.12 | liable | umbop: looks like maybe wrong keyboard? |
| 11:48.27 | umbop | yeh i'm unsure what to select, with it being a laptop thinkpad |
| 11:48.35 | umbop | i just selected the default ones |
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| 11:48.45 | liable | umbop: us pc104 |
| 11:48.49 | umbop | that's what i used |
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| 11:50.22 | p30n | PerfDave: could u tell me if it will get complicated for a semin00b as me to do this: http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/~isolis/knowledge/linux-promise/ |
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| 11:52.08 | PerfDave | p30n: No, I can't tell you that. I have no idea what it's talking about, what hardware it's going on about, what hardware you have, and what your experience is. I've never used a Promise controller. |
| 11:53.13 | beardy | And, someone that packages a kernelpatch/driver using zip is hard to trust.. |
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| 11:53.44 | mike-m | hello everybody (waou, many people 8-) |
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| 11:54.01 | mike-m | is it possible to do a downgrade ? |
| 11:54.16 | PerfDave | mike-m: No |
| 11:54.56 | mike-m | I'm thinking of removing a lot of libs an binarys, and then apt-get update the packages, no ? |
| 11:55.24 | mike-m | I'm sure there is an issue :p |
| 11:55.45 | beardy | mike-m: You will break your system. |
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| 11:55.51 | Kano | hi |
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| 11:56.10 | Kano | is a cramfs patch still needed to use cramfs initrd? |
| 11:56.37 | mike-m | beardy: my system is breaked yet |
| 11:56.42 | mike-m | :) Unstable power |
| 11:57.01 | beardy | mike-m: Why are you running unstable if you can't handle it? |
| 11:57.13 | mike-m | beardy: I'm learning to handle it |
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| 11:58.06 | liable | mike-m: probably be a lot quicker to just re-install. unless you really want to learn :) |
| 11:58.07 | torc | how do i tweak X settings from X itself? |
| 11:58.08 | mike-m | beardy: actually, I went to sid cause of xfce4 (4.2)... but after some apt-get upgrade I had more and more deps errors |
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| 11:59.01 | seven_six_two | i'm going to have to use ext3. installing sarge from dvd failed with reiserfs. base-installer/debootstrap failed |
| 11:59.02 | mike-m | liable: I already have this idea (however, I will look for another solution) |
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| 11:59.54 | beardy | mike-m: If you don't think it will sort itself out in a few days or so. (check the bts and so on) Or you feel you can't fix it, or have tried to fix something and broken to many things, what liable said is probably a good way. |
| 12:00.03 | umbop | ach |
| 12:00.08 | umbop | i can't get the bloody mouse to work |
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| 12:00.39 | liable | umbop: what /dev did you put it as? and protocol. |
| 12:00.48 | umbop | /dev/psaux and thinkingmouse is what i'm selecting, without any emulation or scroll, but it isn't working how it should |
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| 12:00.53 | seven_six_two | it's the same error as i got when trying etch netinst iso |
| 12:00.57 | liable | umbop: ps/2 |
| 12:01.02 | umbop | ahh |
| 12:01.21 | torc | how do i change locale? |
| 12:01.42 | mike-m | ok, I will look what I can rtfm, if it is too long, I will reinstall a sarge .. beardy ahem, where can I watch the bts ? bugs.debian.org? |
| 12:01.43 | PeterB | torc: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:01.43 | liable | dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 12:02.12 | torc | thx. |
| 12:02.13 | PeterB | !btssmite mike-m |
| 12:02.20 | beardy | torc: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? And setting the correct LC and LANG envioronment variables in your ~/.bashrc |
| 12:02.38 | torc | will X automatically follow this? |
| 12:03.04 | beardy | torc: Probably not. |
| 12:03.12 | torc | how do i do this for X? |
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| 12:04.11 | SuperFly | anyone setup a syslog server to monitor their windows's event logs? |
| 12:04.54 | boguh | which programm can i use to see the partitions on my harddisk? |
| 12:05.03 | Eulex | boguh, fdisk |
| 12:05.55 | beardy | torc: It depends on which program you are running, if you're running an xterm of some sort, and bash in it, and run "console"/"terminal" programs, the LC variables will be used. KDE, and probably Gnome too for example has it's own language configuration. Other programs may also have their own language settings. |
| 12:05.56 | mike-m | boguh: fdisk -l /dev/hda for instance |
| 12:06.14 | Eulex | beardy, he u |
| 12:06.18 | Eulex | quit |
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| 12:06.41 | beardy | yeah, I saw that.. but when I had written that long I thought, what the hell :) |
| 12:06.54 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 12:07.17 | Eulex | quite a pebkac to quit when people are trying to help you... |
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| 12:07.45 | dobby | Hello is it possible to give to ip adresses to one ethernet device? If yes could you give me an example? |
| 12:07.58 | arvind | How do I configure my xterm? for example a black background and grey text/cursor? |
| 12:08.08 | arvind | ( i don't want to pass parameters everytime) |
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| 12:08.17 | jm_ | arvind: command line options or X resources - man xterm |
| 12:08.26 | beardy | Eulex: Perhaps he didn't do it on purpose, some error, but still, yeah.. |
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| 12:08.37 | arvind | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.46 | liable | dobby man interfaces, /usr/share/ifupdown/examples |
| 12:08.48 | henk | anyone know a simple cpu benchmark tool? i'd like to compare a few cpu settings on my 64bit box |
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| 12:08.53 | Eulex | beardy, yeah |
| 12:08.55 | jm_ | arvind: yes there is - man page lists them |
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| 12:09.04 | umbop | hmm i dont really like the look of fluxbox |
| 12:09.14 | dobby | thanks liable |
| 12:09.19 | beardy | arvind: man xterm, make an alias, an icon on your desktop, or a script, with the settings you want. |
| 12:09.19 | Ronin | umbop: then customize it |
| 12:09.22 | umbop | has anyone configured it easily / nicely |
| 12:09.32 | arvind | I prefer Xresources as I heard of it |
| 12:09.35 | umbop | yeh i'm reading it now, but it all sounds a bit convoluted |
| 12:09.39 | Ronin | umbop: #fluxbox |
| 12:09.45 | arvind | Man -k gives: xr: nothing appropriate. and Xr: nothing appropriate. |
| 12:09.45 | Crasp | how can i flush my dns-cache? |
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| 12:09.47 | Ronin | fluxbox is convoluted? |
| 12:10.40 | umbop | in my eyes, a tad yes |
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| 12:12.03 | jm_ | arvind: you can find examples in /etc/X11/app-defaults, copy it to ~/.Xresources and play with it there |
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| 12:12.47 | arvind | it's a vital priority |
| 12:13.03 | jm_ | arvind: man xterm |
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| 12:15.12 | joey_ | how do I find and remove a file: find / -name file -exec rm -rf {}\; ? |
| 12:16.02 | joey_ | or |
| 12:16.08 | joey_ | how do I find and remove a file: find / -name file -exec rm -rf \{}; ? |
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| 12:16.24 | simonrvn | \; |
| 12:16.52 | izn0g | joey: just print it |
| 12:16.56 | joey_ | it doesn work with either |
| 12:16.58 | izn0g | and the remove it |
| 12:17.05 | joey_ | simonrvn |
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| 12:17.13 | simonrvn | i do find /path -name 'file' | xargs rm |
| 12:17.15 | izn0g | {} \; |
| 12:17.35 | joey_ | it doesn work with eitherthanks |
| 12:17.37 | joey_ | oops |
| 12:17.38 | joey_ | thanks |
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| 12:18.15 | Crasp | how can i flush my dns-cache on debian? |
| 12:18.19 | izn0g | the xargs *could* need a rewrite of spaces in 0 chars |
| 12:18.51 | mihai_ | hey, this is my first time with debian, what repos should i add in sources.list since it only has cdrom andhttp://security.debian.org/ |
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| 12:18.56 | theb0y | hello, how is it possible to hid ethe "INIT" messages on my console? when i type 'reboot' i see: INIT: sending... how can I hide these messages? |
| 12:19.00 | arvind | jm_: I'm talking about the Xresource functions these are not given on the manual page you refered me to. |
| 12:19.06 | simonrvn | mihai_: apt-setup |
| 12:19.11 | jm_ | arvind: what functions? |
| 12:19.59 | beardy | theb0y: Why would you want to do that? |
| 12:20.36 | mihai_ | oh thanks, what tools are there available to configure xfree86 ? |
| 12:20.38 | theb0y | beardy: don't ask why, just tell me how i can do it sigh |
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| 12:20.56 | beardy | theb0y: Just find out for yourself, sigh |
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| 12:21.47 | mike-m | well, I'm going to re-install :-° |
| 12:22.22 | beardy | mike-m: Goog luck, don't forget to backup your data. |
| 12:22.26 | beardy | Good |
| 12:22.28 | henk | is 64Bits detected automaticaly during install of sarge (netinst cd?) i have just set up a debian sarge but i'm wondering if it might be running in a 686 compatibility mode |
| 12:22.34 | izn0g | find -print0 .. | xargs -0 /bin/rm -fr |
| 12:22.51 | mihai_ | ok what server should i add with apt-setup ? |
| 12:23.03 | mihai_ | i added one from my country but it doesn't have irssi, sigh |
| 12:23.05 | arvind | jm_: for example the scrollbar, there isn't anything usefull in there that tells me how to enable it through .Xresources. |
| 12:23.31 | mike-m | beardy: I know exactly what to backup, it is usual at my stade |
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| 12:23.44 | simonrvn | @drxx mihai_ |
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| 12:23.44 | ravenbird | mihai_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 12:23.46 | mike-m | :-) |
| 12:23.55 | beardy | mike-m: Just a friendly reminder.. |
| 12:23.59 | cooly | hi. where does fetchmail save fetched mails to? in what folder? |
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| 12:24.14 | izn0g | mihai_: be sure to apt-get install mdetect |
| 12:24.28 | jm_ | arvind: the point of man pages is to read them, not to skim through |
| 12:24.29 | mihai_ | izn0g: why? |
| 12:24.31 | izn0g | and, hmmm, what else for video ? |
| 12:24.48 | izn0g | it sometimes helps at the xserver reconfigure stage |
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| 12:25.42 | mihai_ | Package irssi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:25.42 | mihai_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:25.42 | mihai_ | is only available from another source |
| 12:25.51 | simonrvn | irssi-text |
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| 12:26.49 | mihai_ | what's a good mirror to add ? |
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| 12:27.17 | nkuttler | cooly: iirc fetchmail forward them to the local mta. /var/spool/mail/ i guess |
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| 12:28.12 | theb0y | beardy: don't ask why, just tell me how i can do it sigh |
| 12:28.14 | theb0y | hello, how is it possible to hid ethe "INIT" messages on my console? when i type 'reboot' i see: INIT: sending... how can I hide these messages? |
| 12:28.30 | nkuttler | theb0y: don't repeat, please |
| 12:28.35 | jm_ | theb0y: what's the point? |
| 12:29.35 | mihai_ | can you please help me set up apt-get ? |
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| 12:29.46 | Ronin | mihai_: apt-setup |
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| 12:30.00 | mihai_ | Ronin: i did that and selected 2 mirrors, but it can't find any package |
| 12:30.30 | mihai_ | are there any initial commands ? |
| 12:30.32 | PeterB | mihai_: irssi-text is the package for irssi |
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| 12:31.00 | jomoeftie | jme: could you repeat what you said, I had a freeze. |
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| 12:31.50 | foxmask | how to install php4 on SID ? |
| 12:32.00 | cooly | nkuttler, but there is nothing... |
| 12:32.08 | beardy | mihai_: apt-get update ? 'man apt-get' |
| 12:32.14 | mihai_ | if i do apt-get install pkg and i already have pkg as an older version, will it remove the old version ? |
| 12:32.18 | |rockinnerd| | does any1 here have a link that tells how to make a debian-based distro> |
| 12:32.25 | |rockinnerd| | s/>/? |
| 12:32.44 | foxmask | beardy: the problem is that php4 have broken package it seems :x |
| 12:32.47 | beardy | !debian based |
| 12:32.47 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 12:33.47 | |rockinnerd| | i apologize for trolling |
| 12:33.58 | beardy | foxmask: Why adress me? |
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| 12:35.01 | |rockinnerd| | but i'm _not_ asking for help with a distro that's not debian, and i understand that Knoppix, ubunt, etc are _not_ debian. I was just wondering if anyone here had a source of information that shows how to create a debian based distro. |
| 12:35.14 | beardy | |rockinnerd|: Thankyou for apologizing. We (I atleast) really appreciate it. Try search on google for how for example knoppix was created, or some other debian based distro. They probably have some docs on how they did. |
| 12:35.30 | mihai_ | if i do apt-get install pkg and i already have pkg as an older version, will it remove the old version ? |
| 12:35.31 | nkuttler | |rockinnerd|: i guess a good way would be to learn how to contribute to debian. How to build packages etc... |
| 12:35.32 | asg | |rockinnerd|: check out debian-administration.org, there are some articles there |
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| 12:35.39 | foxmask | beardy: 'cause i thought you anwsered me ;) |
| 12:35.54 | beardy | foxmask: ok :) |
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| 12:36.03 | |rockinnerd| | thx all |
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| 12:36.26 | foxmask | any one else meets probleme with php4 mod apache ? |
| 12:36.56 | asg | foxmask: what debian version? |
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| 12:37.06 | foxmask | asg : sid |
| 12:37.11 | asg | foxmask: check the bts |
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| 12:37.18 | migma | !bts |
| 12:37.18 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:37.22 | golan77 | about qemu: have you ever tried qemu accelerator (closed source license) ? |
| 12:37.40 | foxmask | asg :what do you call bts ? |
| 12:37.46 | foxmask | oops |
| 12:37.47 | asg | !btssmite foxmask |
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| 12:39.28 | beardy | golan77: Please don't poll. And especially not about non-free programs. |
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| 12:40.14 | |rockinnerd| | is there any way to get the apt source and build it? |
| 12:40.18 | golan77 | beardy: I was asking just to know if it is quicker or not... why can't I ask on this? Please explain thanks |
| 12:40.36 | |rockinnerd| | 1ce again, if i'm trolling, i apologize for doing so |
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| 12:41.24 | useruser | |rockinnerd|: apt-get source, apt-get build-dep, dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:41.53 | henk | how can i see if a certain binary is compiled for 36 or 64 bits ? |
| 12:42.02 | golan77 | henk: 32 or 64 :-) |
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| 12:42.10 | |rockinnerd| | so i have to use apt to get apt source? kinda oxymoronish, with all due respect |
| 12:42.23 | useruser | |rockinnerd|: well of course you could use wget |
| 12:42.33 | PeterB | henk: Try with file maybe. |
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| 12:42.40 | useruser | |rockinnerd|: but it's easier with apt-get |
| 12:42.41 | henk | golan77 typo 32 ofcourse |
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| 12:43.12 | Angelo- | henk type "file *filename*" |
| 12:43.27 | |rockinnerd| | of course. i've tried deb and deb-based distros, with apt, and was impressed by it |
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| 12:44.15 | henk | file did the trick... hmm seems like my xeon 64 bits system has a 32 bits os on it... how do i tell debian to change architectures? |
| 12:44.30 | FieldySnuts | that's done at install time... |
| 12:44.38 | nvz | is there a way to skim the bts for an issue if you arent sure where the problem lies? i.e. don't know which of a dozen packages has the problem |
| 12:44.40 | jme | yeah, i believe that requires a reinstall :) |
| 12:45.07 | golan77 | beardy : I was asking just to know if it is quicker or not... why can't I ask on this? Please explain thanks |
| 12:45.10 | useruser | nvz: google? |
| 12:46.07 | henk | FieldySnuts hmm i did not get any options for selecting the architecture. Do i need special boot isos to do it or can it be dome from a normal 32 bitstype bootdisk (theoreticaly this ofcourse whould not be a problem) |
| 12:46.18 | nvz | useruser: ah, yes.. never thought of that |
| 12:46.27 | jm_ | henk: #debian-amd64 |
| 12:46.31 | nvz | useruser: and google was in the paper this morning too.. :P |
| 12:46.42 | henk | jm_ its not amd its xeon |
| 12:46.44 | jme | dpkg: watch the birdie |
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| 12:46.53 | jm_ | henk: ok keep thinking that |
| 12:47.02 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: smite jme |
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| 12:47.10 | henk | jm_ what do you mean by that ? |
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| 12:47.33 | |rockinnerd| | Thanks for all of your help, all. I'll try starting to maintain ubuntu packages, because ive dealt with Ubuntu, and enjoyed using it. |
| 12:47.33 | jm_ | henk: that you're wrong of course |
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| 12:47.51 | henk | jm_ i'm wrong about the CPU that's in my system? |
| 12:47.59 | streuner | hm |
| 12:48.05 | jm_ | henk: no, about the fact that #debian-amd64 is a wrong channel for it |
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| 12:48.51 | jme | heh, i wish i had an athlon64 system.. |
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| 12:48.56 | Angelo- | henk: a 64bit xeon is based on the amd64 design |
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| 12:49.03 | henk | jm_ ah ok seems strage to specify what the manufacturer name is for a channel about 64bits, but hey thnx |
| 12:49.11 | ma3x | hello, when i type make menuconf i get this |
| 12:49.12 | ma3x | Makefile:485: .config: No such file or directory |
| 12:49.12 | ma3x | make: *** No rule to make target `menuconf'. Stop. |
| 12:49.16 | ma3x | where do i find the conf file? |
| 12:49.20 | jm_ | henk: that's because this was started before Intel chips with 64bit support even existed |
| 12:49.29 | henk | Angelo- realy ? intel just copied from AMD ? |
| 12:49.30 | jm_ | ma3x: it's menuconfig |
| 12:49.32 | jme | ma3x: make menuconfig |
| 12:49.48 | jm_ | well existed for the public anyway |
| 12:49.52 | henk | jm_ i understand thank you for the pointer |
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| 12:50.52 | Angelo- | yes |
| 12:50.52 | dogg | i got a problem with libaspell15 on a unstable system, any clues ? |
| 12:51.14 | ma3x | ah thanks jm |
| 12:51.16 | dogg | s/on a/on an/ |
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| 12:52.03 | Aemaeth | hey all, i need some help setting up /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:52.24 | possie | how can i make sure that dhcp client doesn't modify my /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 12:52.33 | dogg | specifically, it seems to be missing from the archive, breaking some packages |
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| 12:52.36 | Aemaeth | im trying to give a maching multiple ip's, but i cant seem to get the eth0:0 adapter to work |
| 12:52.40 | henk | Angelo- hmm i did not know that, nice though to see that intel doesnt feel it's too much "above" amd to adopt their technologies |
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| 12:52.54 | Zta | Um, what should I do, to make sure route to my local loopback is added during start up? |
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| 12:53.06 | Zta | Can it be done though /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:53.15 | Zta | Or do I really have to call route explicitly? |
| 12:53.16 | sobersabre | hi all |
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| 12:53.53 | saboteur | has someone written a custom boot disk/disc howto for sarge? |
| 12:53.55 | greycat | you don't need an explicit route to loopback |
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| 12:54.01 | guacharo | hi friends, i am trying to build a debian pacakage with dpkg-buildpackage, but i get the following error: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for /usr/local/lib/libmba.so.0.9 (libmba.so.0.9) |
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| 12:54.24 | guacharo | how could i fix this problem? |
| 12:54.51 | saboteur | did you install libmba yourself or does it come with the program you're trying to package? |
| 12:54.52 | xoz | guacharo: try auto-apt |
| 12:55.08 | guacharo | i compiled libmba from its sources |
| 12:55.17 | Aemaeth | no ideas? |
| 12:56.04 | saboteur | aemaeth: have you put an auto line for each alias? i think i had to do that |
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| 12:56.22 | Aemaeth | an auto line? example? |
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| 12:56.39 | greycat | !loopback |
| 12:56.39 | dpkg | hmm... loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices. |
| 12:56.40 | saboteur | auto eth0:0 |
| 12:56.41 | saboteur | iface eth0:0 inet static |
| 12:56.42 | saboteur | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.01 | saboteur | so that you don't have to 'ifup eth0:0' |
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| 12:57.39 | guacharo | saboteur, libmba does not come with my package, it is a library that i use inside the package |
| 12:57.47 | Aemaeth | w00t! ty so much saboteur, thats what i neede |
| 12:57.47 | Aemaeth | d |
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| 12:57.59 | saboteur | no problem :) |
| 12:58.14 | TiTaN_pi8 | hello, can anybody tell me how i can output the results that are displayed in the console by 'startx' to a file so i can read them? |
| 12:58.40 | saboteur | guach: i haven't made packages in quite some time but you may have to build oen for that library or include it in the build scripts? |
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| 12:58.44 | ldy | ntu |
| 12:58.46 | Aemaeth | saboteur, would you have any knowledge on the vnc server? |
| 12:58.48 | boguh | i want to mount a device to a dir with the ownership of a user. but when i mount the device the ownership of the folder changes to root. |
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| 12:58.57 | guacharo | what should i do to fix this situation? |
| 12:59.01 | saboteur | titan: it should be logged to /var/log/Xsomething anyway |
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| 12:59.17 | saboteur | aemaeth: a little |
| 12:59.20 | xoz | TiTaN_pi8: man script |
| 12:59.25 | TiTaN_pi8 | saboteur, i don't see any logs that start with X except xdm and that is not what i want |
| 12:59.31 | sungxinwoo | do you test startx > logout.txt, buf you should check the X log instead |
| 12:59.38 | Aemaeth | mind if i pm with a few q's then? hard to keep track inchan |
| 12:59.42 | TiTaN_pi8 | i will try |
| 12:59.44 | saboteur | sure |
| 12:59.55 | mngrif_ | boguh: man mount, there's options for the user group permissions |
| 13:00.16 | guacharo | saboteur, could you tell what i have to do to include it in the build scripts? |
| 13:00.21 | TiTaN_pi8 | startx > logout.txt doesn't work |
| 13:00.23 | saboteur | so does anyone know a good custom boot disk/disc guide for sarge? :) |
| 13:00.29 | TiTaN_pi8 | logout.txt is blank |
| 13:00.36 | TiTaN_pi8 | i will see man script |
| 13:00.38 | spo0nman | what did you run to see the number of currently open files? |
| 13:01.04 | saboteur | guacharo: i can't help sorry, maybe try auto-apt like xoz suggested? (i don't know what auto-apt does) |
| 13:01.09 | greycat | spo0nman: lsof |
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| 13:01.25 | sungxinwoo | perhaps startx > logout.txt 2>logerr.txt, but i don't on my linux box,so i can't try it. |
| 13:01.34 | greycat | TiTaN_pi8: I use "exec startx >startx.log 2>&1" |
| 13:01.39 | guacharo | saboteur, thanks anyway |
| 13:01.44 | TiTaN_pi8 | script worked, thx! |
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| 13:02.11 | spo0nman | greycat: thanks, and how to tell the maximum number allowed? |
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| 13:02.32 | guacharo | xoz, could you give a hint to know what auto-apt is? |
| 13:02.41 | elirips | hello people. how can i remount my root-filesystem read-only? i tried 'mount -o remount -r -n /', but i always get 'mount: / is busy' |
| 13:02.50 | TiTaN_pi8 | mmh no it didn't work :s it's only partial... |
| 13:03.02 | TiTaN_pi8 | i will try what you said, greycat |
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| 13:03.33 | greycat | spo0nman: allowed by what? what's the problem? |
| 13:04.23 | saboteur | guacharo: have you read the package maintainer docs on the debian site? |
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| 13:04.52 | eXa_bOy | howdy greycat :) |
| 13:05.06 | eXa_bOy | my server is alive... and has a swap :D |
| 13:05.11 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 13:05.13 | guacharo | saboteur, i am reading that doc |
| 13:05.24 | Zta | greycat, My embedded system set a route to localhost. But my Debian system does not. I am just wondering why it does so, and if it could be done though the interfaces-file. Perhaps the 2.4.27 kernel needs it? |
| 13:05.38 | saboteur | :) |
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| 13:06.11 | greycat | Zta: no, it doesn't. |
| 13:06.16 | greycat | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 13:06.16 | greycat | 10.76.142.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.254.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 13:06.16 | greycat | 0.0.0.0 10.76.142.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 13:06.22 | greycat | Linux arc1 2.4.27-2-686 #1 Mon May 16 17:03:22 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:06.31 | Zta | hm.. |
| 13:06.44 | Zta | Ok then. |
| 13:07.26 | RealMurphy | OK, I've got a brief question: I'm trying to run libhtml-mason-perl on apache2/mod_perl2 (which is supposed to work according to the mason-guyus). However, the perl module mod_perl2.pm is required but not shipped in Debian making the original package not usable... is this a case for the BTS or whom shall I contact about this? |
| 13:08.05 | spo0nman | greycat: some perl scripts are eating up the maximum allowed file limit. |
| 13:08.18 | greycat | spo0nman: per-process allowed file limit, or whole-system kernel allowed file limit? |
| 13:08.26 | spo0nman | greycat: kernel. |
| 13:08.37 | greycat | and what is that limit in Linux? does Linux even *have* that limitation? |
| 13:08.43 | spo0nman | greycat: you wont like this. but, its a BSD box. |
| 13:08.55 | greycat | then you're in, like, the wrong place? and stuff? |
| 13:09.02 | jethro | heh |
| 13:09.07 | spo0nman | greycat: i knew it. |
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| 13:10.12 | RealMurphy | arghhh, just seen that it is curerntly in unstable.. missed it before sorry |
| 13:11.10 | linuxfreck | greycat, spo0nman: heh, fyi: the linux system-wide file limit is /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
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| 13:11.37 | greycat | 64710 for me on arc1.... |
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| 13:11.54 | greycat | 52422 on my sid box at home |
| 13:13.51 | mngrif_ | GOD when is alltel going to change their hold music?!... |
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| 13:15.16 | mngrif | lol, i just read an ad on their site as "lose every minute at alltel" |
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| 13:16.05 | golan77 | i'm trying to use qemu to try ubuntu 5.04 on my debian... I have a problem, could not boot an hd image just created... any help? |
| 13:16.07 | SuperFly | anyone use syslog-ng with physyslog? trying to manage my event logs from win2k3 servers on my linux server :/ |
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| 13:17.01 | Eulex | golan77, "coult not boot an hd image just created"? if it's just created, is it empty? |
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| 13:17.31 | snail | i suspect this is a political question and i don't want to start a flame war, but why does debian not use orsn (http://www.orsn.net/) nameservers for european installs? i've been unable to find discussion of this using google... |
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| 13:18.21 | snail | golan77: have you tried the ubuntu channels? |
| 13:19.03 | incorrect | does anyone run woody with the backport of apache2 and a backport of php4? |
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| 13:19.49 | Guerin | incorrect: why would anyone, now that sarge is out? |
| 13:20.06 | apfel | I seem to have installed libpng10-0 as well as libpng12-0. Is it save to remove ligpng10-0? |
| 13:20.29 | greycat | is ORSN considered better than OpenNIC, then? |
| 13:20.30 | Aemaeth | in debian how do i set up what applications to run at boot? |
| 13:20.38 | Guerin | apfel: run apt-get -s remove libpng10-0 and see what happen |
| 13:20.40 | greycat | Aemaeth: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 13:20.48 | Guerin | !services |
| 13:20.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 13:21.06 | rage | Has anyone had any sucess using translucency and shadows with xorg under Debian? (with gnome in particular) |
| 13:21.19 | snail | greycat: ORSN are the european branch of ICANN |
| 13:21.36 | apfel | Guerin: It tells me "Remv ..." (several packages). Is that a good sign? |
| 13:21.36 | rage | in particular if there are any guides or packages applicable to Debian |
| 13:21.47 | Eulex | rage, maybe. what is your problem? |
| 13:22.10 | Eulex | apfel, no |
| 13:22.24 | rage | Eulex: I'm looking to get started, I've googled around but I'm unsure if the Fedora way will work well under Debian |
| 13:22.50 | apfel | Eulex: Why not? |
| 13:23.47 | Eulex | rage, you will need to enable the Composite extension and then get xcompmgr and transset somewhere |
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| 13:24.02 | greycat | snail: in any case, I don't think the bind packages know whether you are a "european" or an "african" swall^H^H^H^H^Hinstall |
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| 13:24.38 | Eulex | apfel, that shows that things are depending on whatever package you tried to remove |
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| 13:24.44 | rage | Eulex: yeah, thought as much, I was hoping there were some debs floating around :-) thanks you, I'll get started :-) |
| 13:24.50 | ma3x | hello,after i make bzImage, it says ... edits for lilo / grub ... |
| 13:24.54 | ma3x | does it edit by itself |
| 13:24.58 | ma3x | or do i have to edit it? |
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| 13:25.27 | eXa_bOy | i cant find my postfix aliases file :( |
| 13:25.28 | ma3x | (while compiling kernel) |
| 13:25.32 | snail | greycat: i think the question is not whether they do, but whether they should. the installer asks for you country |
| 13:25.45 | Eulex | ma3x, it doesn't, you'll have to do that yourself -- btw, why don't do it the debian way? |
| 13:25.55 | apfel | Eulex: OK. But I guess this should be fine in this case because none of the packages seem important to me (I might be wrong, of course). |
| 13:25.59 | ma3x | Eulex : what's the debian way? |
| 13:26.07 | Eulex | !kp |
| 13:26.07 | dpkg | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 13:26.27 | Eulex | apfel, ok |
| 13:28.14 | guacharo | does anyone know a tool to install application on Linux like the windows model next, next, next...? |
| 13:28.45 | highvoltage | guacharo: synaptic? |
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| 13:29.49 | BR_ | anyone running Debian on Sun Opteron kit? |
| 13:29.51 | Aemaeth | how do i work with apm? |
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| 13:30.03 | zeedo | guacharo: the loki installer does that, but most applications on Linux come in packages which are _much_ easier to handle |
| 13:30.11 | snail | guacharo: http://java-source.net/open-source/installer-generators, http://nsis.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:30.18 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 13:30.18 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 13:31.03 | guacharo | highvoltage, my idea is to distribute my app on a cd, when the user insert the cd and make click on a file the installer open its interface and install |
| 13:31.25 | Eulex | BR_, what is your question/problem? |
| 13:31.40 | snail | guacharo: not a live cd then? |
| 13:31.43 | BR_ | wanting to know opinions that is all... |
| 13:31.49 | Khad1234 | does anyone knows how to make a adaptec 2610sa controller work? |
| 13:32.05 | BR_ | just weighing up pros and cons of installing Debian on a Fire v20z |
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| 13:32.17 | snail | guacharo: is your app LSB compliant? |
| 13:32.20 | BR_ | want some first hand experianced person to give feedback. |
| 13:32.48 | toresbe | BR_: I have run Debian on Suns and Opterons, but not Sun Opterons ;) |
| 13:32.50 | guacharo | not a live cd, the cd is only the distribution medium |
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| 13:33.06 | BR_ | toresbe: well some opteron info would be appriciated if nothing else ;) |
| 13:33.08 | guacharo | i need a graphical installer to install my app |
| 13:33.31 | BR_ | toresbe: running the AMD64 port right? |
| 13:33.38 | toresbe | yeah |
| 13:33.51 | toresbe | BR_: It works very nicely, at debconf, from which I just returned, we used a Dual Opteron with a 1.8TB RAID |
| 13:33.53 | BR_ | toresbe: albeit and unofficial release still? |
| 13:34.05 | BR_ | s/and/an |
| 13:34.07 | highvoltage | guacharo: Have you looked at gtkdialog? It's rather easy to create simple interfaces. |
| 13:34.14 | Guerin | guacharo: the trouble with that is that you can't count on the distribution providing the app you want |
| 13:34.29 | toresbe | BR_: I don't really know, but "unofficial" doesn't really turn me off too much. |
| 13:34.43 | guacharo | i want to have my apps not depending of any Desktop |
| 13:34.52 | greycat | !opteron |
| 13:34.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, opteron is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel |
| 13:34.55 | Guerin | guacharo: and if you want to build this functionality into your app, then you'd still have to give the user instructions to make the file +x, and give the necessary privileges to install |
| 13:35.01 | BR_ | toresbe: alas it does the powers that be here. |
| 13:35.04 | jake1932 | can someone tell me where else dhcp can be configured besides etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:35.06 | greycat | too many words with ending with -on. |
| 13:35.24 | Guerin | guacharo: then you'll probably need to use something shell- or ncurses-based |
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| 13:35.35 | BR_ | toresbe: for the kind of work we do here stability is a key concern. |
| 13:35.43 | Aemaeth | how do i recompile the kernel with acpi support? |
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| 13:35.58 | toresbe | BR_: The AMD64 stuff has been proved to be fairly stable. |
| 13:36.04 | BR_ | toresbe: and the powers above me are worried about lack of 'official'ness and the flame wars :) |
| 13:36.12 | Guerin | BR_: sarge for amd64 has been released as stable, and is or will be recieving security support from the official debian security tea, |
| 13:36.15 | Guerin | m |
| 13:36.27 | toresbe | Mmmm, security tea |
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| 13:36.38 | guacharo | yes, you are right |
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| 13:36.49 | Guerin | Aemaeth: debian kernels have acpi built as modules by default. you needn't rebuild |
| 13:37.01 | BR_ | Guerin: clarficiation on the "is or will" would be nice... |
| 13:37.02 | Aemaeth | apparently this one does (go figure) |
| 13:37.21 | guacharo | so, i am trying to find a tool to install my app following the ms windows model, next next ... |
| 13:37.29 | eXa_bOy | how do i stop / start postfix? |
| 13:37.30 | Guerin | BR_: i'm not sure if it's started yet, but it will be officially supported. |
| 13:37.33 | Aemaeth | i dont really know what im doing, i just want power management on this box |
| 13:37.38 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: man invoke-rc.d |
| 13:37.45 | FieldySnuts | guacharo: huh? |
| 13:38.20 | BR_ | Guerin: hmmm, intresting... |
| 13:38.28 | Guerin | guacharo: use a shell script. distribute with instructions to run the file with sh badgers.sh |
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| 13:38.52 | greycat | or "sh /mnt/cdrom/install" |
| 13:38.52 | Guerin | BR_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00005.html |
| 13:39.07 | guacharo | Guerin, thats could be a solution |
| 13:39.14 | Guerin | guacharo: you could even use a shar if you feel clever |
| 13:39.23 | greycat | eXa_bOy: /etc/init.d/<FOOBAR> restart |
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| 13:39.32 | guacharo | a shar? |
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| 13:39.36 | eXa_bOy | answer : /usr/sbin/postfix stop |
| 13:39.47 | Guerin | that's sort of like a self-extracting ecexutable |
| 13:39.48 | greycat | guacharo: like Sun's java installer-files. |
| 13:39.50 | Guerin | but not |
| 13:39.53 | Guerin | !shar |
| 13:39.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, shar is the shell archiver, it converts binary files into uuencoded text files that can be extracted by executing them in a shell, or not tar |
| 13:40.02 | gudi | aynone knows where to get a vlc version 0.7.2 as deb |
| 13:40.03 | guacharo | ah ok! |
| 13:40.15 | Guerin | guacharo: pdo or sdn ? |
| 13:40.18 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:40.23 | Guerin | gudi: pdo or sdn ? |
| 13:40.28 | greycat | eXa_bOy: that may also work, but using /etc/init.d/postfix is probably better |
| 13:40.28 | eXa_bOy | thanks Guerin & greycat |
| 13:40.28 | SuperFly | anyone use syslog-ng with physyslog? trying to manage my event logs from win2k3 servers on my linux server :/ |
| 13:40.38 | izn0g | cya ! |
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| 13:40.59 | eXa_bOy | ok thanks :) |
| 13:41.05 | eXa_bOy | same spot as apache |
| 13:41.14 | gudi | Guerin, ? |
| 13:41.17 | eXa_bOy | same spot as everything |
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| 13:41.23 | Guerin | gudi: ask dpkg about them |
| 13:41.27 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: no shit |
| 13:41.46 | eXa_bOy | Guerin... gimmie a break |
| 13:41.46 | gudi | Guerin, how ? |
| 13:41.53 | BR_ | Guerin: The lack of 'officialness' is still a worry unfortunatly... |
| 13:42.01 | Guerin | gudi: /msg dpkg pdo ; repeat for sdn |
| 13:42.12 | BR_ | Guerin: and the line saying "if you have some hard security policy - please |
| 13:42.13 | Guerin | BR_: you can run sarge32 with a 64 kernel |
| 13:42.14 | BR_ | do not rely on this!" |
| 13:42.22 | Guerin | BR_: yeah :) |
| 13:42.36 | BR_ | it looks like my hand will be forced with FC4 |
| 13:42.51 | jake1932 | even after configuring /etc/network/interfaces with a static address, the correct static address only hold for a day - any ideas why? |
| 13:42.52 | gudi | hmm in packages there is no 0.7.2 .. and now ? |
| 13:42.52 | BR_ | but alas it seems the better option at the present moment in time... |
| 13:44.01 | Guerin | BR_: bah, ubuntu is a better option than coredump4 |
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| 13:44.34 | toresbe | BR_: You can run it in i386 mode |
| 13:44.42 | torc | how do i change the default size of fonts for X? |
| 13:45.04 | toresbe | BR_: I am right now. No apparent loss of performance, though I haven't exactly benchmarked this thouroughly |
| 13:45.06 | BR_ | toresbe: kinda wasteful ;) |
| 13:45.32 | Guerin | BR_: running stable software often means running below optimal performance |
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| 13:45.49 | Guerin | BR_: i'd run sarge32 on 64-bit over fedora 4 in a heartbeat |
| 13:46.04 | BR_ | Guerin: me too (possibily) |
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| 13:46.20 | Guerin | if it's anything like the other fedora core releases or later redhat releases, fc4 will break horribly on upgrade |
| 13:46.30 | Guerin | whereas sarge can be counted on not to do so |
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| 13:46.58 | eXa_bOy | what is a good pop3 daemon that runs well with postfix? |
| 13:47.05 | BR_ | that is my worry with it |
| 13:47.10 | greycat | depends on your mailbox format, not your MTA |
| 13:47.18 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: courier |
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| 13:47.45 | eXa_bOy | courier supports imap too correct? |
| 13:47.52 | stew | yes |
| 13:48.03 | stew | it supports maildir only though, no mbox |
| 13:48.09 | BR_ | well thanks for the opinions guys and gals ;) |
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| 13:48.11 | doub | hi there |
| 13:48.18 | saboteur | hi |
| 13:48.19 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: courier releases a pop3d and an imapd, as well as soome other stuff |
| 13:48.51 | eXa_bOy | stew aaah where as cyrus does |
| 13:48.58 | doub | i'm struggling hard for 2h now, trying to install the xen 2 experimental packages. is there some kind of a howto, piece of indication or the like on how to proceed? |
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| 13:49.04 | greycat | !cyrus |
| 13:49.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
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| 13:50.20 | doub | i'm stuck trying to understand kernel-package and the way it handles patches, as the debian xen packages only provide a patch to apply on a vanilla kernel. but kernel-package seems to be reserved to some kind of elite, the docs are very sparse and give no details whatsoever except "kernel-package is a great tool, use it". |
| 13:50.26 | greycat | cyrus was one of the early entries in the "let's not use /etc/passwd users for mail -- let's totally rewrite user authentication and throw away all the nice getpw* calls in libc and do our own from scratch!!! that'd be so l33t!!!" game. |
| 13:51.04 | greycat | doub: you could just apply your patches yourself, then build from the patched tree |
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| 13:51.46 | eXa_bOy | if i want to download the cyrus tar.gz from his server i can use wget cant i... |
| 13:51.52 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: don't |
| 13:51.53 | mwilson | doub: kernel-package exists to force the use of Debian kernels, as no one else understands how it works. |
| 13:51.57 | doub | greycat: of course. but having the deb packages is a chance i don't want to miss, it allows installation on several hosts |
| 13:51.59 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: man apt-get |
| 13:52.00 | jethro | doub: as per my experience, k-p is great, but patching using k-p is teh suck. |
| 13:52.23 | greycat | doub: and? |
| 13:52.29 | eXa_bOy | its not apart of apt-get |
| 13:52.36 | greycat | doub: extract tarball, patch it, make-kpkg, done. |
| 13:52.38 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: what isn't? |
| 13:52.43 | doub | greycat: oh ok, you mean patch directly without k-p knowing? |
| 13:52.48 | greycat | doub: yes |
| 13:52.58 | Guerin | patching shit is easy with make-kpkg |
| 13:53.19 | jethro | Guerin: it all depends on the patches. some can be a pain |
| 13:53.20 | mwilson | And even easier if you ignore k-p entirely. |
| 13:53.31 | Guerin | it's a matter of setting a couple of environment variables which are cl;early described in the manpage, and running it with --added-patches foo |
| 13:53.33 | doub | greycat: last time i tried, it was a pita, as the patch (it was xfs) modified the flavour name from $VERSION to $VERSION-xfs, and make-kpkg was worried |
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| 13:53.41 | eXa_bOy | guerin : cyrus isnt on the debian.org packages list. |
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| 13:53.47 | greycat | doub: vi Makefile |
| 13:53.51 | Guerin | jethro: only a pain if they don't aopply cleanly, in which case you oughtn't be applying them itfp |
| 13:54.09 | greycat | besides, xfs is already in the Debian kernels |
| 13:54.15 | jethro | Guerin: if you say so.. |
| 13:54.39 | doub | greycat: yeah i know, but that's just an example. at that time it was the only way i found (2.4.18 iirc) |
| 13:54.58 | greycat | doub: "vi Makefile" would let you remove the -xfs from the version |
| 13:55.15 | Guerin | !find cyrus-pop3d |
| 13:55.19 | dpkg | cyrus-pop3d: (CMU Cyrus mail system (POP3 support)), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.5.19-20 (sid), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 133 kB |
| 13:55.20 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: you lie |
| 13:55.28 | doub | greycat: the main problem being that 2 sets of patches exist, for xen : one for the dom0 kernel, and another for the unpriv kernels |
| 13:55.41 | doub | greycat: knowing how to automagially do that would be great |
| 13:55.55 | doub | greycat: without having to have duplicate source tree, that is |
| 13:55.57 | greycat | am I supposed to know what "dom0" and "unpriv" mean? |
| 13:56.43 | MrRagga | http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/ |
| 13:57.02 | eXa_bOy | Guerin : etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/cyrus admin/logcheck-database |
| 13:57.10 | doub | greycat: not if you never heard of xen |
| 13:57.19 | Guerin | !confuse eXa_bOy |
| 13:57.21 | dpkg | No, those was your gerbil yesterday, eXa_bOy? shirts of the people's republic of belarus with extra crabpaste |
| 13:57.49 | greycat | !xen |
| 13:57.49 | dpkg | well, xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. |
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| 13:58.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 13:58.15 | greycat | uh.... ok. |
| 13:58.19 | Guerin | that tells normal people nothing about what it is |
| 13:58.20 | doub | greycat: to sum it up, dom0 is the "master" kernel under xen, the one which has hardware access, whereas unpriv are the "unpriviledged" ones, with only indirect hw access |
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| 13:58.39 | FieldySnuts | herro |
| 13:58.47 | Guerin | xen is also in plain english for morons, it's yet another virtual machineriser |
| 13:58.52 | Guerin | !xen is also in plain english for morons, it's yet another virtual machineriser |
| 13:58.52 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 13:59.14 | greycat | I guessed that bit from the "VMware" reference |
| 13:59.15 | RichiH | greycat: dom0 is the system al lthe other systems run on |
| 13:59.18 | stew | machineriser is plain english? :) |
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| 13:59.29 | Guerin | plainer than the rest of it |
| 13:59.30 | greycat | stew: in the en_TX locale, yes |
| 13:59.37 | stew | plain english for morons i guess :) |
| 13:59.38 | FieldySnuts | riser? riser card? compaq? sussudio? |
| 13:59.48 | greycat | FieldySnuts: badger. |
| 13:59.51 | mngrif | machineriser... bwahahaha |
| 13:59.53 | FieldySnuts | .. |
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| 14:00.07 | FieldySnuts | @badger greycat |
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| 14:00.11 | FieldySnuts | or not |
| 14:00.25 | doub | greycat: the main difference being that xen is near to non-virtualised in terms of performance, and can even outperform on disk i/o with linux kernels |
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| 14:00.39 | raboof | hi. on my unstable box, wdmLogin is taking a long time to start (high cpu usage). |
| 14:00.50 | greycat | the main question being "why would you want to have two kernels running at the same time, one inside another"? |
| 14:00.53 | Guerin | raboof: solution: wait. |
| 14:01.04 | mngrif | bbl, router upgrade... |
| 14:01.06 | doub | greycat: for virtual servers, for example |
| 14:01.07 | Guerin | greycat: PrivSep |
| 14:01.11 | greycat | unless you're a kenel developer, in which case, you wouldn't be asking *us* for assistance |
| 14:01.17 | raboof | i remember that happening before, and easily being fixed by running one command (something related to fonts I believe, but my memory is not helping me here :)) |
| 14:01.21 | raboof | ring any bells to you? |
| 14:01.27 | Guerin | nope |
| 14:01.35 | doub | greycat: each running kernel is like a different hw machine, with its own ip |
| 14:01.46 | Guerin | what if I have only one IP? |
| 14:02.21 | doub | Guerin: you can run an iptables firewall with DNAT on one of the machines (presumably dom0, the one with hw access) |
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| 14:03.37 | doub | greycat: so if one server gets knocked down because of an attack or whatever, others remain. you can also shut down a VM if it gets DDOSed |
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| 14:04.04 | doub | greycat: in short, a very useful tool for servers |
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| 14:04.13 | greycat | if it's a *network* DoS, your whole connection is affected, not just one virtual server. |
| 14:04.16 | doub | greycat: the only problem being memory usage |
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| 14:05.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: gender? |
| 14:05.18 | ravenbird | I'm not sure |
| 14:05.20 | doub | greycat: of course, but if the DoSed virtual server begins to eat the whole CPU, you can stop it. that of course won't change anything on net bandwidth |
| 14:05.50 | doub | greycat: you can put quotas on cpu use, that's the interresting point |
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| 14:06.14 | doub | greycat: the whole machine doesn't hang if one VM is stuck in some loop |
| 14:06.45 | greycat | that might indeed be interesting if I ran *any* service that was CPU bound.... |
| 14:06.46 | elirips | hello. is there a way to configure debian in a way so that it starts samba only automatically if my ip is something like 192.x.x.x? but it should still be possible to start it manually if i have another ip. |
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| 14:07.02 | doub | greycat: a DoSed network service is an example |
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| 14:07.34 | greycat | maybe you should stop running network services without setting memory/CPU limits on them. "help ulimit" |
| 14:07.35 | Eulex | elirips, edit the scripts in /etc/init.d to fit your needs |
| 14:08.02 | doub | greycat: another very useful point of xen 2 is that it allows VM migration over the network, so if you have a busy server, you can swap the running VM with another |
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| 14:08.46 | doub | greycat: well, anyway, i think that's quite a great tool for my purposes. |
| 14:08.51 | KerPlunk | I want to rip an audio cd to my hdd in ogg form...what is the fastest/keep the most quality program to use? |
| 14:08.54 | HenkPoley | doub given identical machines.. |
| 14:08.56 | Guerin | elirips: disable the service in your customary runlevels and put an 'up' statement in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 14:08.56 | elirips | Eulex: ouh, thanks.. going to look at it, but don't know if i'm able to do that.. well i'll see. |
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| 14:09.09 | doub | HenkPoley: not necessary, as they are virtualized |
| 14:09.16 | cahoot | KerPlunk: abce is simple and fast |
| 14:09.21 | KerPlunk | thanks |
| 14:09.25 | Guerin | Eulex: better to do it my way, as those scripts are often replaced on package upgrade |
| 14:09.25 | cahoot | KerPlunk: err abcde |
| 14:09.32 | HenkPoley | hmm, how far virtualised? |
| 14:09.35 | doub | HenkPoley: each virtual machine is the same as the other, whatever the underlying HW is |
| 14:09.52 | HenkPoley | So you don't have hardware acceleration? |
| 14:09.53 | doub | HenkPoley: as long as the VM config is the same |
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| 14:10.21 | elirips | Guerin: disabling the service okay, but what do you mean with an up statement in interfaces? |
| 14:10.29 | doub | HenkPoley: no need for it, it's a virtual arch "x86-xen" which is basically x86 without the priviledged instructions, which are handled a bit differently |
| 14:10.37 | doub | HenkPoley: so as to have near-native performance |
| 14:10.46 | doub | HenkPoley: see the xen website for details |
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| 14:11.24 | Eulex | Guerin, true |
| 14:11.29 | RichiH | KerPlunk: if you don't want to lose quality, use flac |
| 14:11.33 | doub | HenkPoley: it sort of creates a "ring -1" cpu state, if you see what i mean |
| 14:11.33 | HenkPoley | doub, I was talking about devices (not CPU, RAM, disk, which are abstracted) |
| 14:11.42 | Guerin | elirips: man interfaces - it's a command which is run after the interface comes up |
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| 14:11.58 | KerPlunk | k |
| 14:12.00 | KerPlunk | Thanks RichiH |
| 14:12.02 | KerPlunk | I appreciate the help. |
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| 14:12.41 | doub | HenkPoley: hardware is not available in VMs, except if you ask for it. only 1 VM, the first one, "domain 0" (a VM is a "domain" for xen), has full hw access |
| 14:13.00 | elirips | Guerin: thanks, now i think i know what you mean. |
| 14:13.00 | HenkPoley | Ah, I see |
| 14:13.10 | RichiH | KerPlunk: mind you, a flac is about 5 times larger than an ogg |
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| 14:13.22 | RichiH | KerPlunk: but it's a lossless codec |
| 14:13.35 | KerPlunk | RichiH: The quality loss we are talking about...I won't be able to notice it right? |
| 14:14.02 | KerPlunk | Like if you play me a flac and then an ogg...and I don't know which is which...I won't be able to tell with a human ear no? |
| 14:14.21 | Eulex | KerPlunk, best way to find out is to try yourself |
| 14:14.22 | Ungy | can I assign a range to eth0? |
| 14:14.24 | RichiH | KerPlunk: if you have _really_ good headphones (100 euro plus), you can hear the difference between ogg at level 4.99 and a cd, yes |
| 14:14.27 | Guerin | KerPlunk: depends on the ear |
| 14:14.28 | petemc | KerPlunk: not all human ears are equal |
| 14:14.34 | petemc | *bam* |
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| 14:14.45 | Guerin | some people can, but then again, some people can tell the difference between a CD and a flac |
| 14:14.46 | toresbe | RichiH! *L* TNS! |
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| 14:15.05 | RichiH | KerPlunk: if you want to listen to stuff on your pc speakers, you can savely go ogg :) |
| 14:15.15 | doub | HenkPoley: that makes it really useful for servers, as network servers are not really HW intensive, just CPU |
| 14:15.18 | RichiH | toresbe: well, _i_ have been around.. :) |
| 14:15.19 | Guerin | pc speakers? around 96 should be plenty |
| 14:15.24 | KerPlunk | k, ogg it is |
| 14:15.26 | Eulex | yeah, some people can even hear the difference between analog and digital mixing :) |
| 14:15.28 | KerPlunk | Thanks for all the info everyone |
| 14:15.29 | RichiH | toresbe: the question is.. where were you? :) |
| 14:15.33 | toresbe | RichiH: I've been at debconf :P |
| 14:15.37 | KerPlunk | I have 2 dollar emachine speakers |
| 14:15.41 | KerPlunk | I don't think I will be able to tell |
| 14:15.42 | Guerin | eew |
| 14:15.44 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 14:15.47 | Guerin | why are you even bothering with music |
| 14:15.48 | Guerin | ? |
| 14:15.50 | Guerin | mind you |
| 14:15.51 | toresbe | heh |
| 14:15.52 | KerPlunk | I can still hear it |
| 14:15.53 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 14:15.55 | RichiH | Guerin: i did not mean the beeeeep thingiwe on the mainboard :p |
| 14:16.00 | Ungy | Can I assign a range of Ip's to say eth0 or do I have to specify each one seperatly |
| 14:16.08 | RichiH | toresbe: oh, neat |
| 14:16.09 | mngrif__ | KerPlunk: Koss KSC-55 if you can find them, excellent headphones for around $20USD |
| 14:16.12 | scarynetworkguy | RichiH: That's not true, you know. You could give me the best headphones/soundsytem in the world and I still could not tell the difference. |
| 14:16.12 | greycat | Guerin: I have decent PC speakers, and 96's not enough. |
| 14:16.12 | RichiH | toresbe: how was it? |
| 14:16.14 | toresbe | the beeeeep thingie on the mobo can make very cool sounds :P |
| 14:16.17 | Guerin | if you just listen to nouveau punk and britney spears they probably do fine |
| 14:16.17 | doub | RichiH: alsa has a driver for this one, IIRC ;) |
| 14:16.20 | petemc | Ungy: you can use ip aliases |
| 14:16.20 | toresbe | RichiH: exhausting but cool :P |
| 14:16.26 | KerPlunk | mngrif: thanks for the tip |
| 14:16.28 | RichiH | scarynetworkguy: don't listen to the presshamer, then ;) |
| 14:16.32 | KerPlunk | I'll probably buy those. |
| 14:16.32 | Guerin | greycat: fair play. |
| 14:16.33 | toresbe | RichiH: I got a thinkpad 600E :) |
| 14:16.41 | Ungy | petemc what are ip aliases? |
| 14:16.41 | RichiH | doub: that would be scary, tbh |
| 14:16.50 | RichiH | toresbe: how come? |
| 14:16.55 | Fluten | I had a dvd that wouldn't unmount, so i used umount -l, and now my drive won't eject, unless i use a paperclip. How can i tell the drive to eject, without restarting? |
| 14:17.02 | scarynetworkguy | RichiH: My point exactly. :) |
| 14:17.09 | toresbe | RichiH: A friend's company's surplus :) |
| 14:17.12 | petemc | Ungy: what you need, by the sounds of it |
| 14:17.18 | RichiH | toresbe: nice |
| 14:17.23 | toresbe | RichiH: they were being crushed otherwise, and, well, he saved them |
| 14:17.23 | Guerin | Fluten: amd64, perchance? |
| 14:17.26 | greycat | Guerin: an audiophile would probably point at them and laugh, but they work well enough for me. Logitech something or other, subwoofer + 2 satellites, roughly USD $90 at best buy a year ago. |
| 14:17.27 | Eulex | doub, are you telling us that there's an alsa pc speaker driver? |
| 14:17.37 | Ungy | petemc you got a link or an explanation of what they are so I can read up on them? |
| 14:17.44 | Guerin | greycat: ah, they're credible enough to pc speakers, i guess. |
| 14:17.44 | petemc | Ungy: www.google.com |
| 14:17.46 | guacharo | could anyone help me with this dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages? |
| 14:17.46 | doub | Eulex: yes, there is one IIRC |
| 14:17.48 | Fluten | Guerin, no |
| 14:17.48 | RichiH | toresbe: did he save us one too? |
| 14:17.54 | doub | Eulex: just look at the alsa website |
| 14:17.54 | toresbe | incorrect |
| 14:17.59 | mngrif | KerPlunk: i can pick out the difference of a 192kb MP3 vs. 256kb MP3 with 'em... the only problem I have is that sometimes cat/my hair gets stuck between the ear pads and the speaker cone. nothing you can't spend 10 minutes fixing with some tweezers |
| 14:17.59 | Eulex | doub, cool :) |
| 14:18.03 | greycat | Guerin: granted, Vorbis at 96 kbps *does* kick some major ass. |
| 14:18.03 | Guerin | i have a cheapass 5.1 set which fuzz out at high treble volumes |
| 14:18.04 | KerPlunk | mngrif: http://shopper.cnet.com/Koss_KSC_55_headphones/4014-7877_9-30235352.html?q= |
| 14:18.15 | toresbe | wow, heh, tab complete fuckup, but it carried truth, the answer was no :P |
| 14:18.16 | guacharo | i am building a debian package but i get the following: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages |
| 14:18.21 | KerPlunk | or http://www.audiooutfitter.com/store/KSC-55.html |
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| 14:18.25 | KerPlunk | If you were having trouble finding them |
| 14:18.32 | greycat | mngrif: your cat uses your headphones? |
| 14:18.34 | xoz | Fluten: lsof | grep /dev/<dvd drive> ... kill the process owning it. or init 1 then kill the process again. |
| 14:18.45 | Fluten | FLAC kicks ass too :), except it isn't too space friendly |
| 14:18.45 | xoz | Fluten: and init 2 |
| 14:18.50 | RichiH | toresbe: bah :p |
| 14:18.54 | Guerin | storage is cheap |
| 14:18.54 | Ungy | petemc no that isn't what all my Ip's are in the same subnet |
| 14:18.55 | mngrif | greycat: as a bed |
| 14:18.57 | doub | Eulex: i think there is also one for the cheap parallel port speaker home made system you can find quite everywhere on the web |
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| 14:19.10 | guacharo | is there a specific channel to debian packager? |
| 14:19.21 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 14:19.21 | stew | guacharo: #debian-mentors |
| 14:19.21 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 14:19.22 | mngrif | KerPlunk: thanks for the linkage, the headband on mine broke last week after 4+ years of service |
| 14:19.25 | RichiH | Guerin: wait until perpendicular recording is mainstream.. :) |
| 14:19.26 | Guerin | guacharo: read that ^^^^ |
| 14:19.26 | petemc | Ungy: huh? |
| 14:19.42 | Guerin | RichiH: eh? |
| 14:19.59 | Fluten | xoz, the command didn't output anything |
| 14:20.08 | RichiH | if /me ever goes to the trouble of polishing his scratched cds and ripping them, he will go flac all the way |
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| 14:20.17 | guacharo | #debian-mentors |
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| 14:20.22 | RichiH | 400+ audio cds are not fun to rip :p |
| 14:20.23 | greycat | RichiH: I would need to invest in additional disks for that. |
| 14:20.28 | xoz | Fluten: lsof | grep /dev |
| 14:20.29 | guacharo | 7join #debian-mentors |
| 14:20.35 | stew | closer... |
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| 14:20.40 | RichiH | Guerin: new arrangement of magnetic bits on hdd disks |
| 14:20.47 | RichiH | greycat: me too |
| 14:20.48 | Guerin | RichiH: oh? |
| 14:21.19 | greycat | RichiH: I can remember back when I only had 400+ CDs.... probably 12-15 years ago... |
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| 14:21.26 | RichiH | greycat: i am waiting for said perpendicular recording and (perhaps) will get a whole new box with btx, sata2, you name it, then |
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| 14:21.44 | RichiH | greycat: you aren't a poor student, though ;) |
| 14:21.57 | drac | Fluten: fuser -v /directory/where/is/is/mounted |
| 14:21.58 | Fluten | xoz, hmm, outputs thousands of lines when i do that |
| 14:22.05 | stew | my wife and i ripped 300 cds in one day... only to have a cheap ass promise ide raid eat both drives on the mirror a week later |
| 14:22.05 | RichiH | greycat: also, unless you have less than 401 cds right now, you still have 400+ |
| 14:22.10 | drac | it |
| 14:22.17 | Guerin | bah, all my cds are in boxes in my FIL's garage awaiting my return |
| 14:22.22 | Guerin | and all my rekids too |
| 14:22.24 | xoz | Fluten: you have to filter the one that owns your dvd drive |
| 14:22.34 | xoz | Fluten: *uses |
| 14:22.45 | Guerin | stew: aaargh |
| 14:22.52 | RichiH | greycat: we need to send each other a harddrive with all the stuff on it when done with ripping ;) |
| 14:22.55 | Ungy | OK I am trying to say add 8 IP addresses to the same machine do I have to do eth0:1-8 or can I do it in one command if the IP's are in Order say 192.168.110.12-20 |
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| 14:23.25 | greycat | RichiH: yeah, but that's like walking outside in the US in August, with sweat dripping down your neck, and saying "boy, it sure is warm. It must be 10+ degrees!" |
| 14:23.43 | Fluten | hmm, it also still thinks there's a disk in the drive :), even though it's sitting in it's case right now |
| 14:23.59 | xoz | Fluten: kill it |
| 14:24.01 | petemc | Ungy: you would just add entries in the interfaces file for each address |
| 14:24.03 | RichiH | greycat: which would still be correct |
| 14:24.06 | xoz | Fluten: better you go init 1 |
| 14:24.13 | greycat | RichiH: but you *do* get the point, I hope. |
| 14:24.15 | Ungy | oh that blows |
| 14:24.18 | Ungy | ok thans |
| 14:24.22 | Ungy | thanks I mean |
| 14:24.35 | RichiH | greycat: your point is you need a larger disk than me to rip al lyour cds to flac |
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| 14:24.40 | RichiH | yay me! |
| 14:24.40 | greycat | that too :) |
| 14:24.52 | nvz | why does one machine need 8 ips on the same physical inteface? |
| 14:25.01 | greycat | of course, I wouldn't rip *all* of them. like the wife's old New Kids on the Block from when she was a teen. |
| 14:25.01 | Fluten | could i use hdparm -w to restart the drive? |
| 14:25.18 | RichiH | greycat: heh |
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| 14:25.30 | RichiH | greycat: though if you are going to do this, you can just as well do it right |
| 14:25.56 | Ungy | petemc I woudln't need to redo the network broadcast gateway and dns entries woudl I onlyu the address and netmask or do I need all? |
| 14:26.18 | RichiH | greycat: you wouldn't know of a good and reliable (plus cheap :P )method to descratch cds? |
| 14:26.57 | Fluten | RichiH, i've heard that toothpaste works, but it also can ruin the drive afterwards |
| 14:27.25 | Eulex | RichiH, "descratch"? I'd say backup it and burn it on a new cd |
| 14:27.27 | toresbe | Fluten: only if you don't wipe the paste off :P |
| 14:27.35 | nvz | oww just smacked my head off the fan |
| 14:27.39 | RichiH | Fluten: i tried toothpaste, but it does not yield the results i wanted. plus, i would prefer to fill the scratches instead of removing even more of the protective layer |
| 14:27.58 | toresbe | RichiH: so that's what the paste does |
| 14:28.00 | greycat | RichiH: not a clue |
| 14:28.05 | petemc | Ungy: i give all mine address/network/netmask/broadcast lines, you could get away with just address and netmask lines, but the time you've taken here asking about it, you could have had it done |
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| 14:28.15 | RichiH | Eulex: we are speaking 400+ cds which i want to rip, ou know.. a good 100 are seriously scratched.. |
| 14:28.43 | RichiH | toresbe: yes, toothpaste has tiny fragments in it that sand your teeth/cd |
| 14:28.47 | RichiH | greycat: pity |
| 14:28.53 | toresbe | RichiH: I see |
| 14:28.53 | Eulex | RichiH, heh, ok |
| 14:28.55 | Ungy | petemc thanks |
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| 14:29.05 | Eulex | !tell Jeffroiscool about root |
| 14:29.11 | RichiH | not me scratched them, /me would like to point out |
| 14:29.15 | nvz | Eulex: already been told |
| 14:29.15 | Fluten | :( a few days ago i needed my knoppix cd for rescue, which had been laying on my floor, and when i picked it up i found a large scratch on the label side, so my dogs must of found it :) |
| 14:29.21 | RichiH | parties & cheap car player |
| 14:29.34 | nvz | Eulex: if apt says "ROOOOOOOT has landed!" they have been told already |
| 14:29.46 | Eulex | nvz, oh, ok |
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| 14:30.02 | Eulex | nvz, didn't know that |
| 14:30.18 | RichiH | root + ident is a truly strange combination |
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| 14:30.41 | stew | RichiH: yeah, which is the only ones apt gets, i think |
| 14:30.50 | RichiH | stew: yes |
| 14:31.02 | FieldySnuts | grit == diatoms |
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| 14:31.20 | jeffroislauw | hey there |
| 14:31.22 | nvz | RichiH: shitty proxies, gateways ..etc will run ident with the name root |
| 14:31.40 | nvz | doesnt nessicarily mean they are running irc as root |
| 14:31.48 | jeffroislauw | i need some help |
| 14:31.51 | BobW | How do i test my system beep? on the internal speaker |
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| 14:32.05 | Eulex | BobW, install the program beep and run beep :) |
| 14:32.07 | jeffroislauw | xserver wont start |
| 14:32.10 | nvz | BobW: /msg dpkg beep |
| 14:32.23 | jeffroislauw | ........ |
| 14:32.26 | toresbe | BobW: sometimes you need to insert a module |
| 14:32.28 | RichiH | nvz: hmm, point |
| 14:32.31 | FieldySnuts | man beep |
| 14:32.33 | toresbe | jeffroislauw: hey |
| 14:32.46 | jeffroislauw | anyone can help me with this, i have a 3dfx card |
| 14:32.47 | RichiH | nvz: though that proxy would still have to run identd |
| 14:32.47 | toresbe | jeffroislauw: I'm sorry, that's a bit too vague for me to help you :P |
| 14:33.06 | RichiH | !vagueness |
| 14:33.06 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 14:33.06 | jeffroislauw | :( |
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| 14:33.14 | Guerin | jeffroislauw: did you check the spark plugs? |
| 14:33.17 | jeffroislauw | yes |
| 14:33.22 | eXa_bOy | im trying to ./configure cyrus-sasl and im getting this error... |
| 14:33.25 | toresbe | heehee |
| 14:33.27 | eXa_bOy | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 14:33.28 | jeffroislauw | i have debian fully installed |
| 14:33.33 | toresbe | jeffroislauw: what screen card do you have? |
| 14:33.40 | jeffroislauw | only i cant sMaxi gamer phoenix |
| 14:33.44 | nvz | RichiH: they do sometimes. some of those cheap home gateways run ident on them |
| 14:33.45 | jeffroislauw | it is 3dfx |
| 14:33.48 | Guerin | how about the distributor cap? or do you have one o' these newfandangled injector systems? |
| 14:33.49 | jeffroislauw | voodoo bandhee |
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| 14:34.00 | drac | jeffroislauw: voodoo 1, 2 or 3-5 ? |
| 14:34.04 | jeffroislauw | banshee |
| 14:34.05 | Guerin | !b-e eXa_bOy |
| 14:34.05 | dpkg | eXa_bOy: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:34.11 | greycat | !faq eXa_bOy |
| 14:34.12 | dpkg | eXa_bOy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:34.21 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: DON'T FUCKING BUILD CYRUS FROM SOURCE |
| 14:34.22 | greycat | I mean, seriously, it's *on the front page*. |
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| 14:34.28 | jeffroislauw | i already tried to use glide |
| 14:34.34 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: CYRUS IS IN DEBIAN |
| 14:34.39 | Guerin | use the goddamn debian packages |
| 14:34.50 | drac | jeffroislauw: You want "tdfx" for Banshee. |
| 14:34.58 | jeffroislauw | after that i dled toh |
| 14:35.06 | jeffroislauw | will xserver start then |
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| 14:35.23 | jeffroislauw | is it a program or a config when you could choose your card |
| 14:35.26 | eXa_bOy | thank you greycat... |
| 14:35.34 | drac | !drxx jeffroislauw |
| 14:35.34 | dpkg | jeffroislauw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 14:35.41 | boycer | jeffroislauw: tried http://www.uno.edu/~adamico/banshee/ |
| 14:35.55 | boycer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.56 | kojac2124u | can anyone direct me to an apt-get application that I can use to detect new hardware that I have installed in my dell power edge 4400...have installed a ultra 100 ide card |
| 14:36.05 | FieldySnuts | wenas who uses xfce lol |
| 14:36.09 | jeffroislauw | i cant go to a site now |
| 14:36.16 | jeffroislauw | il try |
| 14:36.21 | RichiH | nvz: heh, k |
| 14:36.32 | stew | jeffroislauw: you can irc but not use the web? |
| 14:36.36 | jeffroislauw | how to close xchat-text? |
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| 14:36.41 | boycer | jeffroislauw: aptitude install lynx |
| 14:36.53 | quittt | is xfree86 on testing? |
| 14:36.55 | jeffroislauw | need to install aptitude first |
| 14:36.57 | RichiH | jeffroislauw: /quit? |
| 14:36.59 | jeffroislauw | ok |
| 14:37.01 | jeffroislauw | tnx |
| 14:37.02 | stew | quittt: yes, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:37.04 | jeffroislauw | im using text mode |
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| 14:37.23 | stew | someone teach that boy about vts and screen |
| 14:37.46 | quittt | stew, it isnt |
| 14:37.54 | stew | quittt: it is |
| 14:37.59 | RichiH | quittt: it is |
| 14:38.06 | stew | !info xserver-xfree86 testing |
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| 14:38.08 | RichiH | !tell quittt about set up x |
| 14:38.08 | quittt | when I cant find |
| 14:38.09 | KerPlunk | quittt: it is |
| 14:38.13 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (etch), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
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| 14:38.38 | quittt | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:39.13 | quittt | stew, xfree86 or x.org? |
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| 14:39.15 | quittt | I dont find xorg |
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| 14:39.19 | stew | quittt: xfree |
| 14:39.20 | KerPlunk | !tell quittt about xorg |
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| 14:39.31 | KerPlunk | !tell quittt about testing |
| 14:39.34 | TiTaN_pi8 | hello, i have version 3 and 4 of xfree86 installed (i think) when I do 'startx' it always runs version 3, how do i make it run version 4? |
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| 14:39.40 | nvz | should clamscan be run as root, or any reason it shouldnt be? I mainly want to use it for my /srv/samba and the users homes that lie therin are not allowed to login, so it would be easiest to scan the whole thing as root I gather |
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| 14:39.45 | quittt | KerPlunk, I know I know |
| 14:39.49 | mihai_ | can anybody tell me how do i enable/disable the graphical login screen ? |
| 14:39.56 | asg | mihai_: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 14:40.33 | kojac2124u | how can I get debian to detect new hardware |
| 14:40.50 | eXa_bOy | plug n play |
| 14:40.52 | pzn | Hi! does "ext3" allocate block for "file tables" dinamically? If I create too much hard links, will the "file tables blocks" be full before the "data blocks"? |
| 14:40.57 | KerPlunk | kojac2124u: kudzu |
| 14:41.00 | stew | kojac2124u: install hotplug and discover |
| 14:41.11 | stew | KerPlunk: ? |
| 14:41.26 | asuffield | pzn: your question was gibberish, but df -i shows the free inodes |
| 14:41.29 | tbx | I am having a very unsuccessful row of getting the right resolution on my screen. nvidia-one-liner: check. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86: check. Removed all resolutions save 1280x1024: check. *Still* at 1024, and still no 3d accel. What in tarnation? I _know_ that this machine is capable of 1280+24+3d in linux. |
| 14:42.03 | asuffield | tbx: the X server has no builtin modeline for the refresh rates you asked for at 1280x1024 |
| 14:42.07 | kojac2124u | thanks...installed promise card to use ide devices using dell poweredge 4400 all scsi |
| 14:42.14 | asuffield | tbx: so it did the best it could |
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| 14:42.31 | tbx | also, how do I get a scanner that shows up with sane-scanner-detect and scanimage -L to be available to xsane? |
| 14:42.35 | nvz | tbx: check that you are using the "nvidia" driver and that your monitor sync ranges are entered correctly, and that all desired resolutions are listed |
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| 14:42.52 | ma3x | should i edit grub after compiling and installing the kernel? |
| 14:42.53 | mihai_ | why does debian.org look so bad ? |
| 14:42.57 | kojac2124u | thx <stew) |
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| 14:43.10 | RichiH | mihai_: ? |
| 14:43.15 | tbx | asuffield: I do not understand. Less that four days ago, back when this machine suffered under the weight of [some other distribution], it was running at 1280x1024 at 24 bits with full 3d accel. |
| 14:43.16 | Ronin | mihai_: bad? in what way? |
| 14:43.19 | thewonderllama | mihai_: what do you mean? |
| 14:43.27 | mihai_ | it doesn't look god as a site, for example compare it to archlinux.org |
| 14:43.30 | boycer | mihai_: huh? |
| 14:43.36 | nvz | what an idiot :P |
| 14:43.37 | mihai_ | stuff is easier to find there |
| 14:43.37 | tbx | nvz: they are, and they are, and they are. |
| 14:43.42 | ma3x | hellooo, should i edit GRUB after kernel install? |
| 14:43.47 | ma3x | or is it auto added? |
| 14:43.50 | ma3x | the new kernel |
| 14:43.54 | boycer | blimey... if it's not flash, it's not good. Ugh. |
| 14:44.00 | RichiH | ma3x: hellloooooooo, what do you think? |
| 14:44.11 | ma3x | RichiH : dunno ask for help |
| 14:44.19 | RichiH | ma3x: why not just look into /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:44.21 | nvz | boycer: flash? its got to have shockwave or something else that only windows users can see, ffs! |
| 14:44.27 | stew | ma3x: do you have a postinst hook to run update-grub in /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
| 14:44.28 | thewonderllama | mihai_: you have problems finding things on debian? |
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| 14:44.41 | tbx | nvz: driver = "nvidia", /! "nv", everything. |
| 14:44.47 | mihai_ | yeah, where is the wiki with all the "howto's" ? |
| 14:44.47 | ma3x | thanks |
| 14:44.48 | boycer | nvz: and play a sound when it loads. or <shudder> a midi file... |
| 14:44.58 | RichiH | !faq mihai_ |
| 14:44.59 | dpkg | mihai_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:45.09 | stew | !tell ma3x about guidelines |
| 14:45.13 | jeffroislauw | what command umm |
| 14:45.13 | nvz | boycer: better yet, make you d/l a propriaty win32 executable to listen to the background music |
| 14:45.18 | RichiH | mihai_: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 14:45.26 | nvz | boycer: like cdnow.com does for their previews now |
| 14:45.27 | jeffroislauw | what was that command for configuring xfree again? |
| 14:45.34 | asg | mihai_: debian-administration.org (not officially affiliated, hence not referenced from the main site.) |
| 14:45.34 | thewonderllama | mihai_: i would think the documentation link would be an obvious choice |
| 14:45.37 | stew | hrm guidelines don't mention topic |
| 14:45.51 | tbx | jeffroislauw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:45.58 | jeffroislauw | oh yeah |
| 14:46.10 | boycer | nvz: just horrible. What's wrong with plain HTML anyway? |
| 14:46.22 | Ronin | mihai_: if you want to look at a horrible page i can show you one :) |
| 14:46.30 | mihai_ | show me |
| 14:46.51 | Guerin | plain html doesn't allow web designers to charge exorbitant rates for substandard work any more |
| 14:46.57 | nvz | boycer: who knows.. I was discussing that yesturday when I found out they changed it. maybe they are afraid of people stealing their 30seond clips.. so they needed to make a program to prevent it |
| 14:47.04 | Guerin | the bar keeps being raised in that department |
| 14:47.23 | nvz | boycer: or perhaps they are going to offer full length previews and are trying to prevent theft |
| 14:47.28 | Guerin | ooh, let's have an 'ugly website' comp! |
| 14:47.37 | Guerin | http://daum.net is a good start |
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| 14:48.10 | tbx | Guerin: as a "web designer" I take umbrage to that outrageous statement. I am still able to charge exorbitant rates for substandard work in plain html! |
| 14:48.11 | boycer | nvz: there must be a better way, surely. people would just stop going there. |
| 14:48.14 | nvz | I've got to go eat, and then get to the store before I go to work.. I'll come back to play later :P |
| 14:48.15 | drp|office | what is the user limit here |
| 14:48.15 | yaarg | sladhdot.org |
| 14:48.17 | yaarg | the ugly |
| 14:48.25 | Guerin | tbx: you're one of the lucky ones, then. |
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| 14:48.45 | boycer | nvz: this is work! |
| 14:49.01 | nvz | boycer: yeah no kidding. my friend /msg'd me yesturday asking how to listen to those previews and I walked him through listening to WMA/RA on linux, and found out they dont offer it anymore.. its some *.exe file it sends you when you click on one |
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| 14:49.08 | asg | Guerin: sans.org |
| 14:49.16 | jeffroislauw | ok |
| 14:49.22 | tbx | Guerin: :) |
| 14:49.24 | jeffroislauw | xserver works |
| 14:49.29 | jeffroislauw | one question |
| 14:49.30 | nvz | boycer: and UBL/Artistdirect has some foreign applet for their WMA/RM previews.. no idea what it is, but its not usable outside windows either |
| 14:49.36 | jeffroislauw | how to start kde instead of gnome? |
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| 14:49.44 | nvz | boycer: I dont know of any site you can shop for music anymore and hear previews outside windows |
| 14:49.44 | Guerin | asg: owch |
| 14:49.53 | jnk | jeffroislauw, choose kde at the login prompt |
| 14:49.54 | boycer | nvz: ugh. good way to alienate intelligent customers... but then why would they want intelligent customers? Stupid ones buy more! |
| 14:49.58 | jeffroislauw | cant |
| 14:50.06 | jeffroislauw | i automatticly starts gnome |
| 14:50.07 | jnk | jeffroislauw, have you installed kde? |
| 14:50.11 | snail | nvz: i know a ton, but none of which are legal... |
| 14:50.11 | jeffroislauw | oyeah |
| 14:50.14 | asg | Guerin: it's even worse if you click the 'Internet Threat' level |
| 14:50.14 | tbx | jeffroislauw: are you using KDM or GDM? there is a selector. |
| 14:50.14 | boycer | nvz: bleep.net iirc - but you need flash... |
| 14:50.17 | jeffroislauw | or do i have to reboot? |
| 14:50.26 | thewonderllama | jeffroislauw: change /etc/X11/default-...something.... |
| 14:50.35 | jeffroislauw | il try them |
| 14:50.49 | nvz | snail: doesnt have to be legal.. heh, I dont mean d/l a whole fucking song either.. people just want to browse cds and hear music sometimes, they dont want to hunt for it on p2p |
| 14:50.50 | pzn | asuffield, sorry for the dumb question. I'll try to write it better. |
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| 14:51.07 | thewonderllama | er...i just told him the wrong thing |
| 14:51.08 | thewonderllama | heh |
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| 14:51.31 | nvz | boycer: flash is doable, but annoying and woulnd work well for my friend, cause he only has limited resouces, that flash would consume easily |
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| 14:51.51 | TiTaN_pi8 | could anybody tell me how to start version 4 of xfree86 when I have version 4 and 3 installed? startx only starts version 3 |
| 14:51.59 | FieldySnuts | flash was tolerable before f*cking advertisers began using it |
| 14:52.12 | ma3x | how do i resume ctrl+z paused processes? |
| 14:52.14 | nvz | TiTaN_pi8: you should not have XFree86 3.x installed |
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| 14:52.17 | FieldySnuts | ma3x: fg |
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| 14:52.26 | SeerKan | !gmake |
| 14:52.26 | dpkg | hmm... gmake is the GNU make, or http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ or ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake |
| 14:52.27 | Guerin | http://korail.go.kr/ is another good one |
| 14:52.32 | ma3x | thanks mate |
| 14:52.38 | FieldySnuts | ma3x: or bg to throw it in the background |
| 14:52.40 | boycer | nvz: flash is horrid, crashes my broser... i just got used to seeing 'you need to install plugins' after a while |
| 14:52.40 | Guerin | try to use the train finder |
| 14:52.43 | TiTaN_pi8 | nvz, i probably need it because my system probably doesn't work with v4 but I want to test it |
| 14:52.50 | nvz | TiTaN_pi8: there is really no good reason. it was taken out of debian, because the drivers and other servers like xserver-s3..etc can now work with XF 4.x |
| 14:52.57 | mihai_ | anybody here installed valknut on debian ? |
| 14:53.04 | Guerin | boycer: i just read 'you need to leave this site' now |
| 14:53.09 | petemc | nvz: there are good reasons, using older hardware is the main one |
| 14:53.14 | nvz | TiTaN_pi8: its not in debian since potato IIRC, so its off-topic here, and should be removed |
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| 14:53.34 | boycer | Guerin: or 'we need to change our site' |
| 14:53.35 | pzn | "ext3" uses some disk blocks to store filesystem information and other blocks to store files(data). is the number of blocks reserved for filesystem information static of dynamic? If i create too much hard links for existing files, will I fill the whole blocks reserved for filesystem information, and end up with all filesystem blocks full and many data blocks empty? |
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| 14:53.39 | TiTaN_pi8 | but could somebody tell me how to start the version 4 of the x server? |
| 14:53.47 | nvz | petemc: like I said its been removed from debian long ago because the xserver- packages that provided 3.x have drivers in 4.x now |
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| 14:53.55 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 14:53.56 | asg | TiTaN_pi8: remove the version 3 one |
| 14:54.00 | solemnwarning | how do i install a .deb? |
| 14:54.01 | nvz | TiTaN_pi8: remove the one you unoficially installed |
| 14:54.03 | timo | vd |
| 14:54.04 | asg | solemnwarning: dpkg -i |
| 14:54.06 | stew | solemnwarning: man dpkg |
| 14:54.07 | kelv | dpkg -i |
| 14:54.07 | solemnwarning | k |
| 14:54.15 | TiTaN_pi8 | unoficially? i just did it with apt-get install... |
| 14:54.22 | Lee__ | !tell TiTaN_pi8 about xfree |
| 14:54.31 | nvz | TiTaN_pi8: are you using potato? |
| 14:54.33 | kelv | !xorg |
| 14:54.34 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 14:54.36 | boycer | TiTaN_pi8: apt-get remove then! |
| 14:54.48 | kelv | !get xorg |
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| 14:54.48 | dpkg | xorg recently entered unstable. EXPECT MAJOR BREAKAGE. if you were previously running xorg debs from any other source you must remove all traces of xorg packages before you install the official xorg packages, or currently nvidia-glx is not working with xorg. so if you need 3d accel with an nvidia card, don't migrate to xorg, or see <xorg-nvidia> |
| 14:54.51 | SeerKan | !gmake |
| 14:54.51 | dpkg | methinks gmake is the GNU make, or http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ or ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake |
| 14:54.59 | nvz | TiTaN_pi8: there is no XFree86 3.x in debian anymore the packages only exist on snapshot or something |
| 14:55.04 | petemc | nvz: like i said, xfree 3 has support for some older hardware that 4 doesnt |
| 14:55.16 | tbx | yeah, that's another question I have - howto install fonts? Is it as easy as cp -r these-here-fonts /usr/share/fonts/true-type/ and then /etc/init.d/something restart? |
| 14:55.20 | stew | nvz: no way they are still on snapshot |
| 14:55.20 | mihai_ | ./admin/cvs.sh: line 1: autoconf: command not found |
| 14:55.25 | Eulex | TiTaN_pi8, how could you possibly have both installed? the 4.x xserver is named xserver-xfree86, which gives no room for having packages with different versions installed |
| 14:55.30 | mihai_ | what is autoconf ? |
| 14:55.36 | nvz | petemc: I used to use 3.x for old s3's that shit has been fixed most anything works n 4.x now |
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| 14:55.40 | kelv | !xorg-nvidia |
| 14:55.41 | dpkg | xorg-nvidia is, like, http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 14:55.52 | TiTaN_pi8 | mmh than what do have installed then? when i log 'startx' the version that is started is 3.3.6a |
| 14:55.52 | stew | kelv: /msg the bot |
| 14:55.55 | asg | mihai_: apt-cache show autoconf |
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| 14:56.09 | xoz | stupid, if you have .xinitrc, startx prioritizes it over .xsession |
| 14:56.24 | TiTaN_pi8 | xoz, so i just have to remove it? |
| 14:56.29 | TiTaN_pi8 | (or move it) |
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| 14:56.33 | bibiskuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.08 | xoz | TiTaN_pi8: sorry, im talking about my problem. i just joined. what's your problem? |
| 14:57.49 | stew | TiTaN_pi8: what version does dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 report? what version does X -version report? |
| 14:57.52 | TiTaN_pi8 | ow, er i think i have version 3 and 4 of xfree installed and I want to start 4 |
| 14:58.00 | TiTaN_pi8 | stew, lemme check |
| 14:58.09 | Lee__ | TiTaN_pi8: remove version 3? |
| 14:58.47 | TiTaN_pi8 | lee, how do I do that? |
| 14:58.58 | TiTaN_pi8 | stew: X -version --> 3.3.6a |
| 14:59.29 | Lee__ | !remove x |
| 14:59.29 | dpkg | methinks remove xf4 is apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 14:59.33 | tbx | bibiskuk: thanks! |
| 14:59.44 | stew | TiTaN_pi8: what about dpkg -l xserver-xfree86? |
| 14:59.46 | TiTaN_pi8 | dpkg reports 4.3 |
| 14:59.49 | TiTaN_pi8 | i think |
| 15:00.00 | mihai_ | configure: error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package |
| 15:00.06 | mihai_ | what's the name of that package ? |
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| 15:00.18 | Lee__ | !search |
| 15:00.18 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 15:00.18 | asg | mihai_: apt-cache search bzip dev |
| 15:00.27 | TiTaN_pi8 | i also have xserver-svga installed |
| 15:00.40 | greycat | dear god. people are still using xf3? |
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| 15:00.44 | TiTaN_pi8 | maybe that is the problem and i need to direct it to xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:00.50 | FieldySnuts | scary |
| 15:00.52 | Lee__ | TiTaN_pi8: you should really consider upgrading that computer. |
| 15:00.53 | asg | greycat: I have an old dell Gn that has to |
| 15:00.55 | TiTaN_pi8 | greycat, you told me the same yesterday i think :) |
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| 15:01.07 | eXa_bOy | greycat what is the debian package to get cyrus? |
| 15:01.08 | deepan | does some one use http tunneling ? |
| 15:01.09 | greycat | nope, I wasn't here yesterday |
| 15:01.09 | TiTaN_pi8 | lee, it is an old laptop that i want to toy around with |
| 15:01.12 | stew | does xserver-xfree86 not replace and or conflict with xserver-svga? |
| 15:01.18 | greycat | eXa_bOy: apt-cache search cyrus |
| 15:01.18 | TiTaN_pi8 | ow |
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| 15:01.22 | FieldySnuts | yeesh. i rmember using xf3 in slackware 3 |
| 15:01.23 | eXa_bOy | ta |
| 15:01.24 | Lee__ | TiTaN_pi8: older than a PII? |
| 15:01.31 | Gnea | heh, slackware |
| 15:01.36 | deepan | i need some help in http tunnelling |
| 15:01.48 | jnk | stew, I doub it, I remember a debconf dialog asking for which server I wanted to run |
| 15:01.51 | greycat | !tell deepan about smart questoins |
| 15:01.54 | greycat | !tell deepan about smart questions |
| 15:01.55 | TiTaN_pi8 | lee, it is a PI 120mhz |
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| 15:02.06 | TiTaN_pi8 | stew, no they coexist |
| 15:02.09 | Gnea | okay, ASUS is ofocially off of my motherboard-brand-to-buy-in-the-future. |
| 15:02.09 | mihai_ | configure: error: libxml2 must be installed. |
| 15:02.10 | stew | TiTaN_pi8: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 15:02.11 | Lee__ | awesome! I think with something that old all bets are off. |
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| 15:02.16 | DiPx | Hello |
| 15:02.25 | greycat | Gnea: any particular reason? |
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| 15:02.37 | DiPx | What is GD? Its asking me if I have GD 2.x support and its saying disabled, I dont even think I have it installed? |
| 15:02.38 | TiTaN_pi8 | stew 3.0 |
| 15:02.49 | Gnea | greycat: have you been to their support site recently usinng a non-IE browser? http://support.asus.com |
| 15:02.53 | asg | DiPx: apt-cache show libgd2 |
| 15:03.01 | Gnea | greycat: see if you can get anywhere. |
| 15:03.02 | thingfish | Gnea: I was fussing for the same reasons. |
| 15:03.03 | FieldySnuts | though i'm not fond of their newer boards |
| 15:03.21 | Gnea | thingfish: that pisses me off, i need to update the bios on this motherboard |
| 15:03.23 | greycat | Gnea: javascriptilicious. *vomit* |
| 15:03.25 | stew | TiTaN_pi8: i'd recommend you remove xfree86-svga and /msg dpkg set up x |
| 15:03.27 | phaedrus_ | any ndiswrapper experts in here to help me? |
| 15:03.27 | mihai_ | checking for xml2-config... no |
| 15:03.27 | mihai_ | checking for libxml - version >= 2.0.0... no |
| 15:03.27 | mihai_ | *** The xml2-config script installed by LIBXML could not be found |
| 15:03.27 | phaedrus_ | ! |
| 15:03.31 | mihai_ | help me fix that |
| 15:03.33 | asg | mihai_: no |
| 15:03.34 | greycat | javascript:go('faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us') |
| 15:03.41 | stew | TiTaN_pi8: you should think about upgrading to debian stable sometime |
| 15:03.42 | TiTaN_pi8 | when i configure xserver-svga or xserver-xfree86 the first question is which server should be default and i answered xfree86 |
| 15:03.46 | Gnea | !tell mihai_ about ask |
| 15:03.54 | greycat | mihai_: install the -dev package, dammit. |
| 15:03.56 | TiTaN_pi8 | stew, i will do that |
| 15:03.59 | FieldySnuts | yuck. looks like it needs flash to navigate at all. |
| 15:04.02 | asg | mihai_: you've had enough pointers on how to find development packages, extrapolate. |
| 15:04.03 | TiTaN_pi8 | (not upgrade to stable, remove svga) |
| 15:04.05 | mihai_ | greycat: what's the name of that package ? |
| 15:04.08 | Lee__ | mihai_: it sounds like you are trying to compile something and don't have a development environment to compile it. |
| 15:04.13 | greycat | mihai_: man apt-cache |
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| 15:04.18 | FieldySnuts | which I don't mind, as long as they have an easy to find non-flash section |
| 15:04.19 | DiPx | asg: I have it Installed-Size: 456, but why is it not showing up? |
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| 15:04.25 | eXa_bOy | i share your pain mihai |
| 15:04.27 | asg | DiPx: are you compiling? |
| 15:04.31 | Lee__ | mihai_: what are you compiling? |
| 15:04.36 | mihai_ | valknut |
| 15:04.36 | FieldySnuts | better yet why |
| 15:04.39 | DiPx | asg: Trying to install a web service |
| 15:04.42 | pumpitup | boo |
| 15:04.44 | greycat | eXa_bOy: yes, searching apt-cache search for a package with -dev on the end is SOOOO hard. |
| 15:04.47 | FieldySnuts | moo |
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| 15:04.54 | asg | DiPx: then it might need the dev package. install libgd2-dev |
| 15:04.54 | FieldySnuts | !be a searching barbie |
| 15:04.55 | dpkg | Aww, searching is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 15:04.58 | tbx | bibiskuk: mkfontconfig command does not exist. what pkg provides it? |
| 15:05.02 | mihai_ | i'm sorry folks i just don't know how this stuff works |
| 15:05.12 | jppweber | Hallo ... jemand da der deutsch spricht ? |
| 15:05.15 | greycat | !de |
| 15:05.17 | Gnea | mihai_: then don't be such a dick about it |
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| 15:05.20 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:05.21 | asg | DiPx: also, if this is some php thingy, you'll need php4-gd2 |
| 15:05.29 | eXa_bOy | greycat mate i didnt know that existed... ive been searching google for about 40 minutes trying to compile this cyrus shit :P |
| 15:05.30 | aurax | can anyone recommand me easy setup ftpd with an eggdrop integration ? |
| 15:05.36 | bibiskuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.38 | greycat | !faq eXa_bOy |
| 15:05.39 | dpkg | eXa_bOy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:05.39 | DiPx | May I past two lines ASG |
| 15:05.45 | deepan | i executed "hts -F server.com:23 80" in my server and "htc -F 23 server.com:80" in my client.. but still i am not able to connect to my server using telnet |
| 15:05.46 | FieldySnuts | what on earth does an ftpd have to do with a script kiddie tool? |
| 15:05.47 | asg | DiPx: yes, 2 lines is fine |
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| 15:05.51 | DiPx | 3. Checking for GD 2.x Support (must be enabled) |
| 15:05.51 | DiPx | No GD Libary Support |
| 15:05.52 | eXa_bOy | now im just downloading the debian package. |
| 15:05.52 | tbx | bibiskuk: thanks. no prob! |
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| 15:05.59 | DiPx | asg: Dev? |
| 15:06.08 | asg | DiPx: what programming language was this web service written in? |
| 15:06.11 | greycat | DiPx: apt-cache search -- lib gd -dev |
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| 15:06.36 | greycat | why do they come in clumps? |
| 15:06.40 | stew | deepan: when you run telnet are you trying to run "telnet server.com" or "telnet localhost" ? |
| 15:06.45 | Lee__ | mihai_: perhaps you should consider another program that's in Sarge to do the same thing? One you don't have to compile maybe? |
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| 15:06.48 | stew | deepan: and why are you using telnet at all? |
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| 15:06.55 | greycat | we've got no less than THREE newbies all needing to learn what the fuck a -dev package is all at the same time. |
| 15:06.57 | mfrisch | How do you make the initrd img for a kernel? |
| 15:06.58 | deepan | telnet server.com |
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| 15:07.10 | eXa_bOy | settle down |
| 15:07.10 | deepan | from local host |
| 15:07.11 | Lee__ | greycat: awesome! |
| 15:07.18 | stew | mfrisch: pass the --initrd option to make-kpkg, or man mkinitrd |
| 15:07.18 | asg | mfrisch: install initrd-tools |
| 15:07.18 | BobW | where can i find some music using the beep program? |
| 15:07.20 | Lee__ | mfrisch: man make-kpkg |
| 15:07.25 | deepan | stew: .. what else can you use? |
| 15:07.30 | stew | deepan: ssh |
| 15:07.30 | seven_six_two | is there a security.debian.org/ testing/updates main ? |
| 15:07.33 | mfrisch | THANKS |
| 15:07.34 | greycat | seven_six_two: no |
| 15:07.35 | asg | bah |
| 15:07.47 | gilead | totem-xine can't be installed on my debian unstable right now -- is it normal or is something wrong with my system? |
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| 15:07.48 | greycat | seven_six_two: or if there is, it won't have any packages yet |
| 15:07.56 | seven_six_two | ok. just stable? |
| 15:07.56 | greycat | gilead: welcome to unstable. |
| 15:08.06 | greycat | gilead: I'd offer you a chair, but this one's got a broken leg. |
| 15:08.06 | stew | deepan: you should be using telnet localhost, htc is opening a port on the local machine |
| 15:08.18 | migma | !btssmite gilead |
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| 15:08.20 | stew | deepan: but you really should be doing this with ssh, not telnet |
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| 15:08.36 | DiPx | Everyone I have found a site that I'd like to share with all of you and I hope it helps everyone out as I'm sure it will help me out alot. |
| 15:08.38 | DiPx | http://tanksoftware.com/tutes/installingphp.html |
| 15:08.40 | gilead | greycat: :-) I'd like to just know if I should try to fix something or just wait? |
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| 15:08.47 | deepan | stew: telnet should also work rite.. thats what he does in a example |
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| 15:09.24 | migma | :D |
| 15:09.27 | seven_six_two | i can do dist-upgrade with only one line in sources? |
| 15:09.34 | BeefTube | hello is there a chatroom for debian 64 bit? TIA |
| 15:09.44 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 15:09.45 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 15:09.46 | migma | BeefTube: #debian-amd64 ? |
| 15:09.50 | BeefTube | Thanks :) |
| 15:10.12 | solemnwarning | what language is dpkg bot coded in? |
| 15:10.15 | BeefTube | Oh cool the download page too, thanks alot :) |
| 15:10.15 | solemnwarning | perl? |
| 15:10.19 | solemnwarning | python? |
| 15:10.20 | stew | deepan: you shouldn't be using telnet you should be using ssh |
| 15:10.29 | stew | solemnwarning: perl |
| 15:10.31 | eXa_bOy | assembly |
| 15:10.33 | solemnwarning | cool |
| 15:10.41 | solemnwarning | where can i download the source? |
| 15:10.50 | zinx | !blootbot |
| 15:10.51 | dpkg | methinks blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 15:10.52 | stew | solemnwarning: apt-get source blootbot ; blootbot.sf.net |
| 15:10.53 | DiPx | asg: It is still saying no GD Support after I had setup that lib GD-dev software edition. |
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| 15:11.20 | stew | solemnwarning: the debian packge might be horribly out of date, it used to be, don't know if its been updated |
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| 15:11.50 | mihai_ | how do i enable the testing repo ? |
| 15:12.05 | pumpitup | err im trying to configure a program with menuconfig but it requires ncurses ...but i installed every ncurses shown libncurses5-dev libncurses5w-dev etc.. |
| 15:12.08 | stew | DiPx: what is "it" |
| 15:12.12 | pumpitup | but i still get an error |
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| 15:12.34 | drp|office | has anyone else had problems with dlink routers and debian (namely the debian machine not obtaining an ip address) |
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| 15:12.44 | DiPx | stew: It is the message I recieve when trying to install this service. |
| 15:12.46 | DiPx | 3. Checking for GD 2.x Support (must be enabled) |
| 15:12.46 | DiPx | No GD Libary Support |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | i have a dlink router .. and debian works fine(wifi router though) |
| 15:12.51 | drp|office | I just came from a linksys router where it worked fine |
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| 15:12.58 | asg | DiPx: did you install libgd2-dev? did you do 'make distclean'? |
| 15:13.13 | DiPx | No I did install the libgd2-dev |
| 15:13.16 | DiPx | not make distclean |
| 15:13.25 | migma | drp|office: same here, ethernet router and works well with sarge |
| 15:13.47 | DiPx | Wait, doh! That was libgd-dev |
| 15:13.48 | DiPx | not 2 |
| 15:13.52 | DiPx | Installing it now |
| 15:13.54 | L33tCh | hey. can anyone help me change my resolution in x... the maximum in the control panel is 800x600 and i'm wanting 1024x768 |
| 15:14.02 | migma | !drxx |
| 15:14.03 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! |
| 15:14.07 | stew | DiPx: what service? |
| 15:14.18 | drp|office | both the routers I have (dlink and linksys) are wireless if that helps |
| 15:14.41 | drp|office | unrelated but ... |
| 15:15.01 | drp|office | are there any known issues with dlink routers and debian |
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| 15:15.31 | L33tCh | i've just done a net install and i've had it working on other pc's... maybe i need to change the x-server? using vesa at the mo |
| 15:15.57 | mihai_ | how do i enable the testing repo please ? |
| 15:16.06 | greycat | mihai_: man sources.list |
| 15:16.14 | jnk | mihai_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:16.25 | mihai_ | yeah i figured that out, but put what there ? |
| 15:16.45 | Lee__ | drp|office: probably not but what are the issues you are having? |
| 15:16.46 | migma | !testing |
| 15:16.46 | dpkg | methinks testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 15:17.12 | DiPx | asg: make: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 15:17.16 | migma | drp|office: are you using DHCP? |
| 15:17.20 | jnk | mihai_, you put testing or etch instead of stable or sarge |
| 15:17.21 | asg | DiPx: try make clean then |
| 15:17.28 | L33tCh | will trry |
| 15:17.31 | drp|office | Lee__: it's just not obtaining an ip address via dhcp ... whereas it was when I was using my linksys router |
| 15:17.32 | quittt | help me |
| 15:17.40 | asg | hmmm, sources.list(5) still mentions non-us in sid. |
| 15:17.41 | quittt | I install nvidia driver using nvidia driver |
| 15:17.45 | DiPx | asg: lol sorry I am new |
| 15:17.47 | DiPx | er |
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| 15:17.51 | quittt | I am uodating 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 |
| 15:17.53 | Lee__ | drp|office: is the DHCP server running? |
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| 15:17.55 | DiPx | make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 15:17.56 | quittt | should I uninstall it: |
| 15:17.57 | quittt | ? |
| 15:18.00 | Lov3rboy | i have a problem |
| 15:18.05 | drp|office | I have a windows machine that is running successfully on the router |
| 15:18.09 | litb | what is better: istall xorg 6.8.2 from "http://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/linux/debian/xorg-6.8.2/" or from "oficial debian unstable" into my debian sarge ? |
| 15:18.09 | Lov3rboy | modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables |
| 15:18.10 | Lov3rboy | iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 15:18.10 | Lov3rboy | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 15:18.26 | stew | Lov3rboy: what does uname -r say? |
| 15:18.29 | asg | DiPx: ewww. Well, look for a config.cache file and remove it. |
| 15:18.30 | pumpitup | argg make: *** [menuconfig-curses] Error 1 i get this but ncurses lib is installed....what should i do ..eplicitly tell make where the lib is? |
| 15:18.33 | drp|office | Lee__: yes the dhcp server is running |
| 15:18.33 | Lee__ | drp|office: can you give the Linux box a static IP and ping the router? |
| 15:18.39 | greycat | !curses.h |
| 15:18.39 | dpkg | If you're getting "curses.h: No such file or directory", apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 15:18.39 | mihai_ | so how do i modify sources.list ? |
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| 15:18.44 | greycat | !faq pumpitup |
| 15:18.44 | Lov3rboy | 2.4.28 |
| 15:18.45 | dpkg | pumpitup: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:18.50 | drp|office | Lee__: haven't tried that yet |
| 15:18.51 | Lov3rboy | that's the kernel version |
| 15:18.57 | greycat | litb: /msg dpkg xorg debs |
| 15:19.05 | drp|office | Lee__: any other suggestions |
| 15:19.16 | stew | Lov3rboy: so its self-compiled, and you didn't enable everything you needed for netfilter, any reason you aren't apt-getting a debian kernel? |
| 15:19.16 | Lee__ | !tell mihai_ about editor |
| 15:19.17 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 15:19.20 | greycat | !listkeys xorg |
| 15:19.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xorg' by key (5): xorg-nvidia ;; get xorg ;; xorg advantages ;; xorg ;; CMD: xorgsmite (.*?). |
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| 15:19.30 | greycat | !listkeys x.org |
| 15:19.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'x.org' by key (1): x.org. |
| 15:19.33 | Lee__ | drp|office: try that first. then go back to DHCP and check the logs. |
| 15:19.43 | drp|office | Lee__: k |
| 15:19.45 | pumpitup | greycat: libncurses-dev is installed.. |
| 15:19.46 | drp|office | Lee__: thanks |
| 15:19.46 | greycat | what happened to the factoid with the sarge backported X.org debs?? |
| 15:19.48 | Lov3rboy | i don't know which should i apt-get to be 100% sure it will work |
| 15:20.19 | mihai_ | no i meant in what way i modify the sources.list file to get access to the testing repo |
| 15:20.40 | stew | Lov3rboy: apt-cache search kernel-image ; pick one, apt-get install it; if you use lilo not grub, pay attention when it mentions initrd |
| 15:20.48 | snail | Lov3rboy: nothing is 100% sure it will work, ever |
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| 15:20.58 | Lov3rboy | ok |
| 15:21.05 | Lee__ | I'd like to be 100% sure. but 99% is okay too. |
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| 15:21.10 | stew | Lov3rboy: if it doesn't work, you will still have your old, working kernel |
| 15:21.14 | Lov3rboy | i'll do what you told me...and i'll tell you if it worked |
| 15:21.14 | Lov3rboy | ok |
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| 15:22.23 | tbx | so. I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. I note that I can do XFRee86-Config-4.custom and md5sum it > /var/lib/oh,-over-there-somewhere, and then re-run dpkg-reconfigure.... and discover that my custom settings are gone. |
| 15:22.28 | greycat | Damn it!! Someone dig up the URL for the sarge Xorg backports and teach the bot... |
| 15:22.29 | DiPx | asg: May I message you? This is giving me alot of problems. Its saying still GD is not supported, but libgd2-dev is installed, and config.cache is removed. I did make clean, and I tried reconfiguring it but no go |
| 15:22.52 | stew | DiPx: what are you trying to compile? |
| 15:22.57 | braniff | # ifconfig -a Result: : error fetching interface information: Device not found / What causes this error ?? |
| 15:22.58 | asg | DiPx: I'm in and out so you are better keeping it in channel. |
| 15:23.20 | DiPx | stew: If I can find the website I would tell you. |
| 15:23.21 | eXa_bOy | found a great Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO : http://distributions.linux.com/howtos/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/install.shtml |
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| 15:23.30 | Lov3rboy | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 15:23.30 | Lov3rboy | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 15:23.30 | Lov3rboy | Sorry, kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp is already the newest version. |
| 15:23.30 | Lov3rboy | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 15:23.37 | tbx | ... which is a problem since according the the specs for this nvidia card, there should be no glcore and no dri. |
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| 15:23.53 | Lee__ | Lov3rboy: are you running sarge? |
| 15:24.00 | Lov3rboy | i tried installing the same version yesterday...it said Installation successfull...but i still have the old kernel |
| 15:24.00 | Lov3rboy | no |
| 15:24.01 | Lov3rboy | woody |
| 15:24.05 | Lov3rboy | Debian 3.0 |
| 15:24.12 | Lee__ | perhaps you should upgrade? |
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| 15:24.19 | Lov3rboy | how ? |
| 15:24.22 | bibe | braniff : could it be a problem w/ a recently removed kernel modules? |
| 15:24.25 | Loevborg | does anyone know a free remote desktop solution (for fixing someone's pc) that works with linux (local) and macos x (remote)? |
| 15:24.26 | stew | Lov3rboy: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 15:24.36 | asg | eXa_bOy: the doc-linux-text and doc-linux-html packages contain all the howtos |
| 15:24.39 | stew | Lov3rboy: or install 2.4.18 ; or fix your kernel config, recompile, reinstall |
| 15:24.41 | mike-gw | lo again |
| 15:24.44 | petemc | Loevborg: vnc |
| 15:24.45 | Lee__ | Loevborg: vnc |
| 15:24.45 | drac | tbx: You get to choose X modules with dpkg-reconfigure xs.. |
| 15:24.47 | pumpitup | Loevborg : vnc |
| 15:24.49 | stew | Lov3rboy: but you should think about upgrading to stable something soon if not now |
| 15:24.56 | Lee__ | damn. |
| 15:24.57 | abrotman | wins what? |
| 15:24.59 | pumpitup | lol |
| 15:25.02 | Lov3rboy | ok |
| 15:25.18 | tbx | ... and even though I have them both unselected in dpkg-reconfigure [...], they still appear in XFREE86Config-4 |
| 15:25.20 | pumpitup | oh crap |
| 15:25.26 | pumpitup | !tell pumpitup about lol |
| 15:25.26 | Loevborg | petemc, &al.. which version is best? (tightvnc doesn't seem to be available) |
| 15:25.27 | henk | i have set up a dell poweredge sc1425 with software raid 1 (tho 200GB sata disks). the raid array has been build. However i;m getting very poor IO results, bonnie reports speeds of up to 25Mb/sec which ofcource sucks. Any ideas on what may be wrong? could it be that my kernel is missing the right drivers? |
| 15:25.28 | mihai_ | so what do i need to modify in sources.list to get access to the testing ? |
| 15:25.31 | braniff | bibe, how do i tell if that is the case ? |
| 15:25.37 | tbx | drac: that's what I thought, but my deselections are not being honoured. |
| 15:25.55 | petemc | Loevborg: best is relative, try them |
| 15:25.56 | abrotman | Henk: it's a P75 ? |
| 15:26.12 | luulis_ | is there some simple way to build a debian package without stripping out debugging symbols? |
| 15:26.14 | bibe | braniff , check your /proc/net/dev, which interfaces does it list? |
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| 15:26.25 | abrotman | luulis_: described in the manual |
| 15:26.28 | deepan | can i use a computer behind a proxy as server in http tunnelling ? |
| 15:26.29 | henk | abrotman thats funny yes. no its a xeon 3.2ghz |
| 15:26.31 | DiPx | asg: So what should I do now? lol It isnt finding this program |
| 15:26.33 | drac | tbx: Sure they are if you run those md5sum commands, described in beginning of XF86Config-4. |
| 15:26.39 | abrotman | Henk: you're not amused :) |
| 15:26.54 | msingh | anyone having trouble with tetex recently? i just installed it and im getting an error: |
| 15:26.56 | abrotman | henk: have you tried just a single drive? .. perhaps the drivers for your controller are crummy? |
| 15:27.05 | tbx | drac: again, which I did, verbatim. |
| 15:27.07 | msingh | fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found. |
| 15:27.12 | msingh | I can't find the format file `tex.fmt'! |
| 15:27.14 | asg | DiPx: well, try unpacking the tarball again and configuring a fresh instance. Check also (with ./configure --help) if you can tell it where the libs and includes are. |
| 15:27.16 | abrotman | henk: wait .. what kind of drives? |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | henk: and do you know what the controller is based on ? |
| 15:27.30 | greycat | 00 1121192818 1121175044 -1 application/x-debian-package 5613326/5613326 GET http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/xserver-xorg_6.8.2.dfsg.1-0sarge1_i386.deb |
| 15:27.31 | braniff | bibe, it lists 4 interfaces -- lo, ath0, eth0 and sit0 |
| 15:27.34 | greycat | Aye, there's one. |
| 15:27.42 | stew | DiPx: you paid $100 for this software and you don't even get any support from them? |
| 15:27.47 | bibe | braniff : then try to get a ifconfig <interface>, one by one. You should get an error w/ only one interface |
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| 15:28.13 | greycat | dpkg, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 15:28.13 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:28.14 | bibe | ifconfig lo should raise no errors |
| 15:28.17 | abrotman | henk: there is a known issue with a number of Seagate drives and controllers based on 3112/3114 |
| 15:28.39 | greycat | dpkg, get xorg =~ s/<xorg-nvidia>/<xorg-nvidia>, or <xorg sarge>/ |
| 15:28.39 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 15:28.55 | henk | abrotman maxtor 200GB sata in linux software mdadm raid1 on a dell poweredge sc1425 with an intel 82801EB sata (soft) raid controller |
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| 15:29.06 | abrotman | Henk: well .. that blows my theory :) |
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| 15:30.02 | braniff | bibe, ifconfig brings up the device info for all devices, however,. It does show "errors: 485" under ifconfig ath0 |
| 15:30.14 | Loevborg | why thanks anyway. |
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| 15:31.18 | abrotman | Henk: do you see any errors in syslog or messages ? |
| 15:31.27 | bibe | braniff , so the former error ("Result: : error fetching interface information: Device not found") does not show up anymore? |
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| 15:32.03 | abrotman | ack .. too many 'pete's |
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| 15:32.06 | msingh | anyone? |
| 15:32.07 | braniff | bibe, ifconfig <iface> does not show that error, but ifconfig -a does show the error |
| 15:32.23 | abrotman | msingh: you searched with apt-file ? |
| 15:32.29 | deepan | can i run hts in a computer behind a proxy and connect to it from outside netowrk Chris|MD |
| 15:32.38 | deepan | can i run hts in a computer behind a proxy and connect to it from outside netowrk |
| 15:32.55 | msingh | abrotman, sorry. search for what? i ran tex and it gave me that error at the end |
| 15:32.57 | bibe | braniff : do you know which module controls the ath0 interface? |
| 15:33.29 | braniff | bibe, it's the "ath_pci" module, which does show up under "lsmod" |
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| 15:33.40 | nicknicknick | hello room |
| 15:33.45 | stew | !room |
| 15:33.46 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 15:33.50 | nicknicknick | anyone using turck-mmcache on debian sarge? |
| 15:33.54 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:33.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:33.54 | trc | hello 3nick |
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| 15:34.00 | sam_ | wich pckage i need to install to get gnome-config? |
| 15:34.17 | nicknicknick | or any other accelerator |
| 15:34.19 | stew | sam_: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:34.20 | positrix | nicknicknick: hi |
| 15:34.21 | sam_ | i mean gtk-config |
| 15:34.34 | bibe | braniff : are you using that interface for connecting to the internet? if not so, try modprobe -r ath_pci; modprobe ath_pci |
| 15:34.34 | greycat | sam_: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:34.39 | greycat | !faq sam_ |
| 15:34.40 | dpkg | sam_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:35.09 | nicknicknick | dpkg mmcache |
| 15:35.11 | paulswm | trc: You must be close to me, I'm also cfl.rr.com, I'm in Kissimmee |
| 15:35.16 | nicknicknick | !mmcache |
| 15:35.24 | nicknicknick | how the fuck does this bot work? |
| 15:35.30 | stew | nicknicknick: /msg dpkg help |
| 15:35.34 | nicknicknick | thanks |
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| 15:35.38 | empty | Are there known issues with mount in sarge, specifically with NFS auto remoounting? I found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301953 but I cannot believe such a bug could make it to stable |
| 15:35.45 | trc | paulswm: im in daytona beach |
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| 15:36.36 | braniff | bibe, tried those commands (since i'm chatting with a different computer) -- still get same error with ifconfig -a |
| 15:36.42 | SuperFly | if i have a script in init.d and i want to disable it...... what's the best practice? |
| 15:36.47 | SuperFly | i don't just want to delete it |
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| 15:36.54 | greycat | SuperFly: rm /etc/rc2.d/Swhatever |
| 15:37.12 | paulswm | SuperFly: make the first line "exit 0" |
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| 15:37.17 | mtnman | suparfly: there is update-rc.d which has a -f option |
| 15:37.20 | abrotman | msingh: to find the missing file ? |
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| 15:37.25 | abrotman | unless i missed the real problem |
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| 15:37.34 | DiPx | How do I restart a service { PRoFTPD } |
| 15:37.40 | quittt | help me |
| 15:37.43 | asg | DiPx: /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 15:37.46 | abrotman | isn't it called turk-mmcache ? |
| 15:37.47 | DiPx | thanks |
| 15:37.47 | quittt | how do I install nvidia driver? |
| 15:37.52 | DiPx | =asg |
| 15:37.55 | asg | !info turk-mmcache |
| 15:37.56 | eXa_bOy | greycat are oyu a systems admin? |
| 15:38.00 | stew | quittt: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:38.01 | quittt | !NVIDIA |
| 15:38.01 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | !tell quittt about nvidia one liner |
| 15:38.06 | asg | !info turck-mmcache |
| 15:38.07 | greycat | eXa_bOy: what gave it awaY? |
| 15:38.12 | dpkg | turck-mmcache: (precompiler and cache to improve performance of PHP scripts), section web, is optional. Version: 2.4.6-12 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 15:38.17 | abrotman | quittt: and if you're in sid .. beware |
| 15:38.19 | Lee__ | SuperFly: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 15:38.21 | asg | !lose abrotman |
| 15:38.22 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 15:38.29 | abrotman | asg: but i won! |
| 15:38.33 | tam | does anyone know when the gaim packages in SID will be fixed? |
| 15:38.36 | nicknicknick | !fuck me |
| 15:38.38 | eXa_bOy | your incredible range of knowledge |
| 15:38.39 | PerfDave | tam: When they're ready? :) |
| 15:38.40 | abrotman | asg: now i don't have to help him . since it's obvious i don't know what it is :) |
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| 15:38.41 | asg | abrotman: using silent 'c's again |
| 15:38.44 | greycat | tam: you haven't uploaded the patch yet? |
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| 15:38.52 | stew | tam: checked the bts? |
| 15:38.57 | greycat | damn, what kind of sid user are you? |
| 15:38.59 | tam | greycat: just about too...gimme a minute |
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| 15:39.08 | stew | s/oo/o/ |
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| 15:39.40 | DiPx | Hmm its not even starting proftpd when I do "proftpd start" |
| 15:39.45 | DiPx | No errors, nothing |
| 15:39.50 | DiPx | My system is so buggy it seems |
| 15:39.50 | DiPx | lol |
| 15:39.52 | greycat | what kind of silly command is that? |
| 15:39.54 | abrotman | how do you know it's not running ? |
| 15:39.57 | greycat | DiPx: /etc/init.d/proftpd restart |
| 15:39.59 | DiPx | I did ps x |
| 15:40.01 | abrotman | is it running out of inetd ? |
| 15:40.04 | greycat | DiPx: ps ax |
| 15:40.05 | quittt | but I use 2.6.11!! |
| 15:40.13 | greycat | DiPx: lsof -i :21 |
| 15:40.18 | FieldySnuts | !irritate quittt |
| 15:40.19 | dpkg | quittt: hi every1 how does I run teh grafixx windows !!!! |
| 15:40.23 | quittt | I cant use nvidia kernel 2.4.27 |
| 15:40.24 | Lov3rboy | i'm currently connected through ssh from work to my home PC...i'm updating from debian to sarge...i chose to update glibc...the system told me it must restart the inetd ssh cron exim services...if i chose to restart them..will i loose my connection ? |
| 15:40.42 | greycat | # lsof -i :21 |
| 15:40.42 | greycat | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 15:40.42 | greycat | inetd 6094 root 9u IPv4 3617753 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
| 15:40.45 | DiPx | greycat: I should learn more about this lol instead of asking stupid questions |
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| 15:40.54 | quittt | FieldySnuts: come on |
| 15:40.57 | stew | duncf: you don't need to know anything about lol |
| 15:41.02 | abrotman | DiPx: good plan |
| 15:41.05 | PerfDave | Lov3rboy: "updating debian to sarge"? |
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| 15:41.10 | Lov3rboy | yes |
| 15:41.13 | Lov3rboy | woody :) |
| 15:41.24 | nicknicknick | woody in my pants |
| 15:41.25 | tam | stew: it isn't in BTS |
| 15:41.27 | greycat | Lov3rboy: no, you won't lose the connection |
| 15:41.31 | Lov3rboy | ok |
| 15:41.42 | greycat | Lov3rboy: but you *really* should be near the machine when doing this, just in case something does break... |
| 15:41.42 | stew | tam: why not? |
| 15:41.42 | tbx | ... which takes us straight In The Heat of the NIIiiight! |
| 15:41.48 | thoron | greycat, nice lsof trick, thanks. |
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| 15:41.58 | Lov3rboy | when i'll get home :) |
| 15:42.00 | tam | stew: i don't know why. i'm starting to think it may just have been my upgrade |
| 15:42.10 | drac | quittt: [18:38] < stew> quittt: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:42.21 | stew | tam: if you know of a bug that isnt in the bts, you should be filing one |
| 15:42.26 | nicknicknick | uhm |
| 15:42.29 | PerfDave | Lov3rboy: Have you read the Sarge release notes with details of how to upgrade from woody? |
| 15:42.29 | greycat | thoron: comes in really handy in #qmail when someone's having trouble because they didn't fully remove (sendmail|exim|postfix) and it's still listening on port 25 |
| 15:42.41 | pumpitup | ok this psybnc is a pain in the ass ...silly menuconfig |
| 15:42.45 | quittt | drac: yeah |
| 15:42.52 | abrotman | Drac: no - |
| 15:42.56 | tbx | once upon a time there was an rpm on my [former] system called "swf_dec" which was nice for extracting loot. Cain't seem to find a deb equivalent... |
| 15:43.04 | Lov3rboy | yes PerfDave |
| 15:43.06 | thoron | greycat, Why would anyone want to remove Postfix? ;-) |
| 15:43.11 | tam | stew: i'm not even sure it is a bug either. it's just when i tried to update gaim via apt-get it shat on me and then wouldn't install saying: gaim: Depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 15:43.15 | tam | E: Broken packages |
| 15:43.15 | drac | abrotman: It works too. |
| 15:43.22 | abrotman | Drac: darn aliases :) |
| 15:43.25 | tam | stew: and since then it's not wanted to work |
| 15:43.25 | drac | ;) |
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| 15:43.42 | stew | tam: did you try installing libaspell15c2? |
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| 15:44.13 | Justin | tam: try looking at bug 317743 |
| 15:44.21 | Justin | tam: which you would have found had you actually looked |
| 15:44.25 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:44.47 | tam | Justin: actually, i did look |
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| 15:45.08 | tam | Justin: lol. i checked under 'gaim' |
| 15:45.16 | DiPx | I am such a jackass. I didn't even port foward the new internal ip pc4 was assigned |
| 15:45.16 | Justin | tam: that is under gaim |
| 15:45.37 | tam | Justin: well, i couldn't find it |
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| 15:46.13 | Justin | tam: tell me, what is the first mention of 'aspell' on bugs.debian.org/gaim ? |
| 15:46.26 | bibe | braniff : how did you get the ath_pci module? did you compile your own kernel? |
| 15:46.40 | FieldySnuts | madwifi or something (esearch madwifi) |
| 15:46.44 | hille | i have problems with hylafax , capi4hylafax on debian sarge. modem is a eicon diva 4bri card. everthing is working fine except hylafax doesnt seems to note when the 8 lines are in use. any hylafax gurus here? |
| 15:47.16 | asg | I thought all the hylafax gurus died before 1997 |
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| 15:47.28 | abrotman | asg: i still have one :) |
| 15:47.42 | greycat | abrotman: in a jar? |
| 15:47.46 | abrotman | no .. we use it |
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| 15:47.56 | abrotman | however .. the machine was made around 1997 :") |
| 15:47.56 | thoron | ab- |
| 15:48.02 | JRlinux | Is a log kept of the bootup info? If so, where? |
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| 15:48.07 | greycat | JRlinux: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
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| 15:48.16 | JRlinux | greycat, thank you |
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| 15:48.28 | abrotman | hille: honestly . hylafax is a black art .. i think they still have an active mailing list |
| 15:48.32 | greycat | asg: abrotman: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/338.html |
| 15:48.43 | tam | Justin: i'll give it to you this time. it slipped my eye. |
| 15:49.04 | asg | greycat: haha, with new lemon fresh scent. |
| 15:49.04 | Lov3rboy | Done guys :) |
| 15:49.09 | Lov3rboy | but i have the old kernel |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | greycat: nice |
| 15:49.10 | Lov3rboy | :( |
| 15:49.20 | Lov3rboy | my system is now Debian 3.1 |
| 15:49.31 | abrotman | Lov3rboy: did you update your bootloader? |
| 15:49.35 | PerfDave | Lov3rboy: So now install a new kernel-image package? |
| 15:49.35 | abrotman | or install a new kernel ? |
| 15:49.47 | Lov3rboy | i'll install a new kernel :) |
| 15:49.58 | abrotman | oh .. good plan |
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| 15:50.16 | Lov3rboy | what kernel do you recommend me for Debian Sarge ? |
| 15:50.17 | kasper | how must i vieuw my new usb HD and partion it |
| 15:50.27 | abrotman | Lov3rboy: i like the ones that work |
| 15:50.30 | braniff | bibe, it came with the madwifi drivers |
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| 15:50.35 | abrotman | !tell kasper about usb mass storage |
| 15:50.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:51.04 | bibe | braniff : did you compile them yourself? |
| 15:51.09 | Lov3rboy | abrotman tell me the best for my Sarge |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | !tell kasper about usb-storage |
| 15:51.26 | braniff | bibe, yes i compiled them myself |
| 15:51.26 | abrotman | Lov3rboy: i have no idea about anything about your mahcine .. or your needs |
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| 15:51.51 | Lov3rboy | i just upgraded woody to sarge...what kernel is the best for Sarge ? |
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| 15:51.55 | bibe | braniff : and did you compile your own kernel or are you using a stock debian kernel? |
| 15:52.03 | kasper | i have a new usb 2 hd disk i plug it but i don't know how partion it and format it |
| 15:52.08 | greycat | Lov3rboy: the question is which one is best for your *hardware*. |
| 15:52.18 | catalyst | after upgraded to Xorg, I cant switch between X and console using ctrl+alt f1, what could be wrong on my xorg.conf? |
| 15:52.29 | Lov3rboy | i have 4 Intel Xeon processors |
| 15:52.31 | Ronin` | well nice to see im not the only one thats having problems with evolution, hopefully the devs get it worked out quidkly |
| 15:52.44 | stew | Lov3rboy: you want a -686-smp kernel then |
| 15:52.47 | Lov3rboy | yes |
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| 15:52.59 | Lov3rboy | what should i install for Sarge ? |
| 15:53.30 | greycat | Lov3rboy: apt-cache search kernel image 686 smp |
| 15:53.47 | braniff | bibe, it's not a standard kernel. uname -r gives "2.6.9". the kernel came with phlak -- a debian-based distro |
| 15:53.59 | bibe | Lov3rboy : aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 15:54.14 | stew | Lov3rboy: kernel-image-2.4-686-smp |
| 15:54.14 | Lov3rboy | i don't want 2.6 |
| 15:54.21 | Lov3rboy | i'll stay to 2.4 |
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| 15:54.42 | Lov3rboy | 2.4.27 |
| 15:54.49 | kasper | i have this in my fstab for my usb mass storage is it correct /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash vfat,ext2,hfsplus noauto,users,dev,sync,dirsync 0 0 |
| 15:54.52 | Lov3rboy | i'll install this one :) |
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| 15:55.10 | PerfDave | Lov3rboy: Why don't you want 2.6, out of interest? |
| 15:55.16 | Lov3rboy | yes |
| 15:55.26 | bibe | braniff, I'll be back in a while. |
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| 15:55.31 | mihai_ | about /etc/fstab what option do i need to supply to a ntfs partition so i can have access to it with my username ? |
| 15:55.35 | braniff | ok |
| 15:55.39 | petemc | mihai_: -o umask=022 |
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| 15:55.50 | mihai_ | that was quick |
| 15:55.55 | Lov3rboy | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 15:55.59 | Lov3rboy | i'll install this one |
| 15:56.03 | elirips | hello people. what is the difference between using 'ech 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' and 'echo mem > /sys/power/state'? i am using kernel 2.6.12.2. |
| 15:56.39 | DiPx | Son of a gun |
| 15:56.41 | DiPx | 3. Checking for GD 2.x Support (must be enabled) |
| 15:56.41 | DiPx | No GD Libary Support |
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| 15:56.46 | DiPx | Its still saying this |
| 15:56.49 | DiPx | Hmm |
| 15:56.55 | DiPx | I might just need to return this software |
| 15:56.59 | __Atula__ | I installed Gnome first as the wm, but now.... I want to use a different window manager... (enlightenment), is there a way to have a "session" option like fedora login screen? |
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| 15:57.06 | mihai_ | what's the absolute safest way to upgrade sarge from 2.4 to 2.6 ? |
| 15:57.31 | PerfDave | mihai_: apt-get install a kernel-image-2.6 package |
| 15:57.32 | Lov3rboy | dpkg - warning: while removing ucf, directory `/var/lib/ucf' not empty so not removed. |
| 15:57.32 | Lov3rboy | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 15:57.32 | Lov3rboy | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 15:57.32 | Lov3rboy | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 15:57.32 | Lov3rboy | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 15:57.42 | Eulex | mihai_, you don't "upgrade kernels", you install a newer one and also keep the old one |
| 15:57.43 | __Atula__ | !wm |
| 15:57.43 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 15:57.43 | Lov3rboy | what should i do ? |
| 15:57.44 | stew | !tell Lov3rboy about flood |
| 15:57.59 | mihai_ | what is the smp option in the kernel names ? |
| 15:58.05 | PerfDave | mihai_: petemc's answer will allow anyone to access it. There are other options if you want non-root users to be able to mount the partition, or if you want to automatically mount it as a particular user. |
| 15:58.28 | stew | mihai_: /msg dpkg smp |
| 15:58.45 | Lov3rboy | what should i do ? |
| 15:58.55 | mihai_ | PerfDave, i want it mounted every time and i start the computer and i want access to it |
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| 15:59.19 | mihai_ | i have athlon xp, kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 2.6.11-7 is this the right one ? |
| 15:59.55 | drac | mihai_: Yes, Athlon is k7. |
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| 16:00.50 | __Atula__ | !metacity |
| 16:00.50 | dpkg | i guess metacity is a lightweight, "crack free" windowmanager for gnome2 which nobody makes documentation on |
| 16:01.37 | __Atula__ | !x-session-manager |
| 16:01.39 | krokas_ | Can i remove my local language from Debian? I mean all those menus are on my local language, and i want to make them in English ? |
| 16:01.40 | krokas_ | lo |
| 16:01.40 | stew | __Atula__: /msg the bot |
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| 16:02.19 | stew | krokas_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:02.39 | kasper | how can i partition a usb mass storage ? |
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| 16:02.57 | stew | kasper: use fdisk / cfdisk |
| 16:02.58 | kasper | i can't see it whith fdisk |
| 16:02.59 | mike-gw | kasper: fdisk ? |
| 16:03.01 | drac | kasper: 'cfdisk /dev/sdX' for example. |
| 16:03.03 | krokas_ | stew: ok, will try this now. thanks |
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| 16:03.25 | Eulex | kasper, define "can't see it" |
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| 16:03.38 | Lov3rboy | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 16:03.39 | Lov3rboy | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 16:03.39 | Lov3rboy | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 16:03.43 | BucWheat | how do i install perl modules from cpan in debian ? i'm using sarge? |
| 16:03.49 | Lov3rboy | come on .... tell me what to do .. |
| 16:04.14 | PerfDave | BucWheat: First off, search with apt-cache for libfoo-bar-perl (which will be Foo::Bar), otherwise use dh-make-perl |
| 16:04.21 | kasper | cfdisk retur this error : Unable to open /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:04.44 | drac | kasper: sda, not sda1 |
| 16:04.50 | kasper | ok |
| 16:04.53 | stew | Lov3rboy: do you have update-rc.d in /usr/sbin/ ? |
| 16:04.55 | BucWheat | PerfDave i've done so and installed libchart-perl and when i do chart::graph::gnuplot i get errors saying chart/graph/gnuplot doesn't exist |
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| 16:05.07 | Lov3rboy | i guess...i'll locate it :) |
| 16:05.11 | stew | kasper: /dev/sda , not /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:05.22 | Lov3rboy | it's in /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 16:05.24 | Eulex | kasper, fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:05.29 | kasper | Thanks stew |
| 16:05.31 | stew | Lov3rboy: fix root's path then |
| 16:05.40 | stew | 12:03 < Lov3rboy> NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
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| 16:05.51 | Lov3rboy | my current path is : /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 16:05.52 | mike-gw | kasper: do it with cfdisk |
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| 16:05.56 | Eulex | kasper, also check /proc/partitions |
| 16:05.58 | kasper | yes i do it |
| 16:06.01 | Zibar | ok, got my graphics card and x server up and running .... now its time to fix my sound system .... i was hoping that a quick install of salsa would make my day, but alsaconf cant detect any supported cards/chipsets .... i have an onboard intel sound chip thing which windows called "high definition audio controller" .... my motherboard is a 1826-g .... the entire system is a fujitsu siemens scaleo T .... |
| 16:06.07 | PerfDave | BucWheat: "When I do chart::graph::gnuplot"? |
| 16:06.15 | abrotman | 1826-g .. ? |
| 16:06.28 | drac | Zibar: Are you running 2.4 or 2.6 kernel (uname -r) ? |
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| 16:06.34 | stew | Lov3rboy: that's your path or root's path? |
| 16:06.41 | Zibar | im running 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:06.42 | BucWheat | PerfDave use chart::graph::gnuplot; in my perl script |
| 16:06.42 | kasper | just one thing i will use vfat32 can i have one partion 60 giga or there is a limit in vfat ? |
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| 16:06.58 | Lov3rboy | root's path |
| 16:07.02 | Lov3rboy | i'm root :) |
| 16:07.21 | PerfDave | BucWheat: What makes you think that that would work? |
| 16:07.29 | drac | Zibar: Hmm, it should have drivers for Intel chipset, what does 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' say ? |
| 16:07.32 | BucWheat | PerfDave because i installed libchart-perl |
| 16:07.38 | Zibar | i think my audio chipset is a next generation ac97 thing, but im not sure |
| 16:07.44 | Zibar | hang on |
| 16:07.50 | stew | Lov3rboy: thats very odd then. what are you trying to do when that happens? this is when i usually reach for the strace |
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| 16:08.10 | Lov3rboy | i'm trying to install a new kernel |
| 16:08.47 | PerfDave | BucWheat: You seem to be very confused. libchart-perl doesn't provide Chart::Graph::GNUPlot, and you've forgotten to capitalise. |
| 16:08.52 | stew | i have no idea what a kernel would want to do with update-rc.d |
| 16:08.53 | mike-gw | kasper: I thought the limitation is up to 120GO |
| 16:08.55 | Ipsooo | is there any howto about building a custom kernel/initrd for the sarge debian installer? |
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| 16:09.18 | Zibar | drac : hmm, modprobe doesnt return anything when executed |
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| 16:09.35 | mwilson | ah, that's better. |
| 16:09.36 | Lov3rboy | so what could i do ? |
| 16:09.37 | stew | Ipsooo: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 16:09.47 | drac | Zibar: That means it worked, and ALSA modules are now loaded. Add yourself to audio group (adduser zibar audio), Logout and Login. They alsamixer or alsamixergui and remove mutes. |
| 16:09.56 | msingh | getting an error on running tex/latex .. please check to see if yours works. fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found. |
| 16:10.04 | Zibar | oh |
| 16:10.08 | Zibar | great, ill do that |
| 16:10.48 | kasper | mike-gw ; thanks |
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| 16:11.03 | stew | Lov3rboy: did you just do a woody->sarge dist-upgrade? |
| 16:11.07 | Lov3rboy | yes |
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| 16:11.16 | stew | Lov3rboy: using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 16:11.20 | DiPx | I reinstalled and untarred it, but its still saying I dont have GD Support. Can someone help |
| 16:11.20 | mike-gw | kasper: no I just read it, it is up to 2048Go |
| 16:11.21 | mwilson | msingh: <shrug> It's provided by tetex-bin, as you could have seen for yourself. |
| 16:11.41 | BucWheat | PerfDave how can i find out what libchart-perl provides? |
| 16:11.46 | mike-gw | kasper: in theory |
| 16:11.50 | Lov3rboy | apt-get i think |
| 16:11.56 | Lov3rboy | aptitude ! |
| 16:12.00 | BucWheat | PerfDave is there some info command i can use with apt-cache that will tell me this info? |
| 16:12.19 | Lov3rboy | i followed dpkg instruction's |
| 16:12.38 | stew | Lov3rboy: what version does dpkg -l sysv-rc report? |
| 16:12.45 | bibe | braniff , are there any warnings in your dmesg when you insert the ath_pci module? |
| 16:12.46 | migma | BucWheat: apt-cache show <pkgname> ? |
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| 16:12.58 | PerfDave | BucWheat: If you have it installed, dpkg -L will list the contents of a package. If you don't, you can use apt-file or http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:13.15 | Lov3rboy | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 16:13.16 | Lov3rboy | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 16:13.16 | Lov3rboy | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 16:13.16 | Lov3rboy | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 16:13.16 | Lov3rboy | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 16:13.16 | Lov3rboy | rc sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-1 Standard boot mechanism using symlinks in /e |
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| 16:13.19 | __Atula__ | what is the name of the gnome package in which I don't get EVERYTHING? I want a minimalist gonme GUI without games and other craps.... |
| 16:13.21 | PerfDave | BucWheat: But you'd expect it to provide the same classes as Chart.pm, so check the CPAN documentation. |
| 16:13.24 | stew | ugh |
| 16:13.27 | PerfDave | __Atula__: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 16:13.29 | stew | told him aobut flood twice |
| 16:13.31 | mwilson | __Atula__: What makes you think there is one? |
| 16:13.34 | Lov3rboy | twice :) |
| 16:13.39 | migma | !flood |
| 16:13.40 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:14.00 | Ipsooo | stew this howto works for sarge too? I tried that but got stuck somewhere |
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| 16:14.09 | Zibar | drac: hmm, i still get the 'error while init sound ' when i boot kde |
| 16:14.11 | openfly | so uhm |
| 16:14.12 | abrotman | what the fuck kind of nick completion is that ? |
| 16:14.14 | openfly | quick question |
| 16:14.18 | __Atula__ | PerfDave, that didn't really say anything.... |
| 16:14.18 | stew | Ipsooo: it was written for sarge, yes |
| 16:14.24 | openfly | is there a debian port to open solaris in the works yet? |
| 16:14.34 | Ipsooo | ok thx, i'll try again then |
| 16:14.34 | bibe | braniff i have to go home now, hope you solve the problem. bye |
| 16:14.36 | __Atula__ | I did an "apt-get install gnome" and it installed everything |
| 16:14.38 | mwilson | openfly: Why would there be? |
| 16:14.45 | mwilson | __Atula__: Yes, so? |
| 16:14.48 | __Atula__ | what's the name of the package that isn't EVERYTHING? |
| 16:14.56 | PerfDave | openfly: http://www.debian.org/ports/ suggests not, it seems pretty pointless. |
| 16:14.59 | mwilson | __Atula__: I ask you again, what makes you think there's some minimalist version? |
| 16:14.59 | BucWheat | PerfDave i'm there now. and it just says chart::graph::gnuplot |
| 16:15.05 | Lov3rboy | so stew what should i do ? |
| 16:15.09 | openfly | i dunno |
| 16:15.14 | openfly | pkg-get is pretty cool |
| 16:15.17 | Eulex | gnome != minimalist |
| 16:15.18 | stew | Lov3rboy: i'd strace it at this point |
| 16:15.21 | openfly | a port of apt to opensol would be pretty pimp |
| 16:15.28 | PerfDave | BucWheat: What says chart::graph::gnuplot? |
| 16:15.31 | openfly | especially with the debian-amd64 dual arch patchs to apt. |
| 16:15.36 | drac | Zibar: Check 'lsmod', and see if snd-* modules are present.. Look errors in 'dmesg'.. |
| 16:15.38 | BucWheat | gnuplot is a module in Chart::Graph |
| 16:15.45 | drac | Zibar: Did alsamixer work ? |
| 16:15.46 | Zibar | ok |
| 16:15.49 | Lov3rboy | isn't there anything i could do to make iptables work ? |
| 16:15.49 | stew | did opensolaris get released under a license that would pass dfsg? |
| 16:15.50 | openfly | and an updated apt repository for solaris would be well... useful. |
| 16:15.51 | BucWheat | PerfDave i'm on the cpan chart::graph::gnuplot info page |
| 16:16.00 | openfly | stew that's a good question |
| 16:16.06 | openfly | i have no fucking clue. |
| 16:16.11 | BucWheat | looks like i need chart-graph-2.0 |
| 16:16.20 | Zibar | no it wont launch |
| 16:16.22 | PerfDave | BucWheat: As opposed to the CPAN Chart.pm page, which is the one which will tell you what's provided by Chart.pm, which is the perl module packaged as libchart-perl? |
| 16:16.28 | mwilson | openfly: So make up your mind. Are you asking for Debian's packaging tools to be ported, or for *Debian* to be ported? |
| 16:16.38 | stew | openfly: of course there is no possible way there would be a debian port otherwise |
| 16:16.41 | Zibar | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 16:16.46 | abrotman | openfly: are you serious ? |
| 16:16.47 | openfly | well optimally devuab |
| 16:16.49 | abrotman | pkg-get is cool ? |
| 16:16.52 | __Atula__ | mwilson, look man. I know how much crap gnome has.... lets move on. I'm asking is there a way to not install crap like games and other craps.... and just install the gnome desktop environment... I don't want to just uninstall crap by hand.... is gdm the package? |
| 16:16.57 | openfly | well its kinda cool |
| 16:17.00 | openfly | it's no apt. |
| 16:17.06 | openfly | and the public repos suck |
| 16:17.10 | abrotman | then why would we port debian to the solaris kernel? |
| 16:17.16 | abrotman | why not just use debian/sparc? |
| 16:17.17 | openfly | but it's pretty useful for installing things like gcc |
| 16:17.18 | openfly | and such |
| 16:17.23 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 16:17.29 | mwilson | __Atula__: gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. I don't have any idea why you insist there must be some minimalist package... there isn't. There's no reason for there to be. |
| 16:17.30 | __Atula__ | mwilson, and I didn't think there was one |
| 16:17.35 | openfly | well |
| 16:17.36 | stew | !install gnome |
| 16:17.36 | dpkg | install the gnome package, and you probably need X as well (ask me about install x), or in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome |
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| 16:17.39 | Zibar | no snd modules show up when i run lsmod |
| 16:17.41 | openfly | the linux kernel... kinda sucks. |
| 16:17.49 | abrotman | openfly: solaris is very easy to run .. even without pkg-get |
| 16:17.54 | openfly | also... the debian sparc port... kinda sucks. |
| 16:17.56 | mwilson | openfly: Then don't use it. Wow, that was easy. |
| 16:17.56 | abrotman | openfly: if you don't like linux .. don't use it .. |
| 16:18.03 | openfly | thats the idea |
| 16:18.09 | openfly | i don't like linux but i like debian |
| 16:18.18 | __Atula__ | mwilson, well, now I got gnome and enlightenment. is there a way to switch to enlightenment on startup? all the tutorials are kind of blurry.... |
| 16:18.18 | mwilson | So you're a moron, then. |
| 16:18.18 | abrotman | openfly: if you like paying 20k for a workstation and use solaris .. then do it |
| 16:18.26 | abrotman | openfly: otherwise .. port dpkg/apt-get to solaris |
| 16:18.35 | snail | openfly: then use hurd |
| 16:18.43 | stew | dpkg: no install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-session to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 16:18.43 | openfly | snail roflmao |
| 16:18.43 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:18.48 | BucWheat | PerfDave how did you get to chart.pm info page on cpan? |
| 16:18.57 | __Atula__ | in fedora core, at the login screen, there's a session option where you can choose the wm you want.... is there something like that in debian? |
| 16:19.08 | openfly | well jeepers |
| 16:19.16 | openfly | you guys are all hating on the debian solaris... |
| 16:19.22 | abrotman | openfly: start the port |
| 16:19.25 | stew | can someone confirm that gnome-session was the correct thing there? i haven't installed gnome myself in a while |
| 16:19.25 | drac | Zibar: But 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' was silent? Try it again, and look at last lines of 'dmesg'. |
| 16:19.27 | Zibar | grr, its been so long since ive used these command.... does lsmod | grep snd make any sense ? |
| 16:19.29 | openfly | i might |
| 16:19.33 | Zibar | ok |
| 16:19.35 | Lov3rboy | is there a way to make iptables work ?? or at least install a new kernel without those errors..?? |
| 16:19.35 | openfly | i got a bunch of suns at my house doing nothing |
| 16:19.37 | openfly | =) |
| 16:19.39 | drac | Zibar: It does. |
| 16:19.39 | mwilson | __Atula__: You mean the session option in Debian (at the login screen where you can choose the wm you want) ? |
| 16:19.40 | snail | __Atula__: yes, kdm gives that to you, i blieve |
| 16:19.40 | abrotman | openfly: find other interested people .. i haven't seen any motion in that direction .. so it's up to you |
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| 16:19.44 | Zibar | k |
| 16:19.49 | openfly | one man army |
| 16:19.50 | openfly | =P |
| 16:19.55 | __Atula__ | mwilson, yeah |
| 16:20.01 | openfly | actually i can steal alot from debian-amd64 |
| 16:20.02 | mwilson | snail: As does cdm and wdm and pretty much every other DM in Debian other than xdm. |
| 16:20.02 | xoz | sun hw is overpriced |
| 16:20.03 | PerfDave | openfly: That's because everyone hates OpenSlowlaris, and would rather just use Linux ;) |
| 16:20.06 | abrotman | openfly: most of the ground work should be done .. can't imagine it would be too hard |
| 16:20.10 | openfly | those guys did some awesome modes to the apt repo |
| 16:20.11 | mwilson | __Atula__: Oh, so you mean the one you already have, then. |
| 16:20.14 | abrotman | openfly: no you can't |
| 16:20.16 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:20.19 | openfly | yes i can |
| 16:20.20 | snail | mwilson: ok, never realised that |
| 16:20.21 | openfly | =) |
| 16:20.34 | openfly | the dual arch library structure is all figured out. |
| 16:20.39 | abrotman | openfly: no .. it still runs on linux .. not the solaris kernel .. you'd probably get more help from the debian/bsd people |
| 16:20.41 | Zibar | modprobe still silent and no messages regarding sound in last line of dmesg |
| 16:20.46 | abrotman | wtf does dual arch have to do with it |
| 16:20.53 | __Atula__ | mwilson, right now... when I login... it goes directly to gnome... where do I config it so there's an explicit option to choose at the login screen |
| 16:20.58 | openfly | well ultrasparc is dual arch |
| 16:20.59 | umbop | hmm when i run rdesktop servername it fails to connect to Xserver. i'm getting Xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xluib: No protocol specified. ERROR: failed to open dfisplay: :0.0 |
| 16:21.06 | openfly | that's one of the main limitations of stock debian's apt. |
| 16:21.12 | openfly | it only supports single arch |
| 16:21.18 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Search for Chart on http://search.cpan.org? |
| 16:21.19 | openfly | thus debian sparc being 32 bit. |
| 16:21.22 | drac | Zibar: Odd. 'lspci | grep -i multimedia' (Should've asked this before) |
| 16:21.28 | snail | openfly: what exactly do you mean by single/dual arch? |
| 16:21.28 | abrotman | openfly: ultrasparc isn't .. Solaris is .. ultrasparc is 64bit .. and solaris can run both 64 and 32 bit binaries |
| 16:21.31 | msingh | mwilson, so what does that mean if its provided by tetex-bin? |
| 16:21.53 | openfly | abrotman what's your point? |
| 16:21.54 | Zibar | no results on that one |
| 16:21.55 | PerfDave | openfly: I suggest you go talk to #debian-sparc |
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| 16:22.02 | abrotman | openfly: that you're wrong .. and possibly .. stupid |
| 16:22.06 | migma | __Atula__: isn't there a "Session" button in gdm? |
| 16:22.10 | openfly | cept you just agreed with me. |
| 16:22.15 | __Atula__ | no |
| 16:22.15 | openfly | and failed to realize it. |
| 16:22.16 | abrotman | no i didn't |
| 16:22.18 | drac | Zibar: Look at whole lspci, your soundcard should show up there. If it doesn't, it doesn't exists or it is Disabled from Computers BIOS. |
| 16:22.18 | abrotman | fucking moron |
| 16:22.20 | openfly | yes you did. |
| 16:22.21 | __Atula__ | I think it uses kdm |
| 16:22.24 | abrotman | no .. i didn't |
| 16:22.26 | __Atula__ | of gdm |
| 16:22.27 | Zibar | k |
| 16:22.28 | __Atula__ | or |
| 16:22.28 | openfly | yes you did. |
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| 16:22.35 | abrotman | fucking stupid ass |
| 16:22.38 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 16:22.42 | BucWheat | PerfDave i could never find chart.pm info page but i found chart::graph which includes the gnuplot module |
| 16:22.54 | Zibar | 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 16:22.56 | Zibar | there |
| 16:22.57 | umbop | hmm i've tried to load it through fluxbox rdesktop that is, but it fails |
| 16:23.00 | BucWheat | PerfDave i'm now trying to install chart-graph-2.0 with dh-make-perl -cpan chart::graph |
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| 16:23.20 | PerfDave | BucWheat: Chart.pm is not the same as Chart::Graph. Learn how Perl modules and CPAN work, I'm sure #perl can help you. |
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| 16:23.45 | bassembg | hi room |
| 16:23.46 | drac | Zibar: That's pretty new. I'm recommending you newer 2.6 kernel.. Debian has 2.6.11-1 in Testing. |
| 16:23.52 | drac | Zibar: To get newer ALSA. |
| 16:23.57 | abrotman | !room |
| 16:23.57 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:23.58 | Zibar | oh |
| 16:23.59 | bassembg | how can i make sh files run on my pc |
| 16:24.00 | Zibar | darn |
| 16:24.01 | stew | Lov3rboy: are you *positive* that /usr/sbin is in root's path? how did you check? have you tried strace? |
| 16:24.10 | Zibar | wont that mess up my ati installation |
| 16:24.14 | greycat | bassembg: sh filename |
| 16:24.21 | Lov3rboy | i typed echo $PATH |
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| 16:24.24 | migma | bassembg: sh filename.sh |
| 16:24.26 | openfly | abrotman UltraSPARC-I, UltraSPARC-II, and UltraSPARC-IIi support 64 bit and 32 bit mode operation |
| 16:24.28 | drac | Zibar: You will need to recompile ATi kernel modules (fglrx.ko) again. |
| 16:24.35 | openfly | =) |
| 16:24.42 | Zibar | just my luck :) |
| 16:24.46 | openfly | maybe that's the clarification you needed. |
| 16:24.48 | BucWheat | PerfDave k. thanks |
| 16:25.11 | PeterB | umbop: Make sure you run rdesktop as the same user you're logged in to X with. |
| 16:25.13 | abrotman | you were on ignore ..and i don't care .. you want it .. go port it .. stop wasting time .. get to it |
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| 16:25.25 | Zibar | can i install this kernel with apt-get ? |
| 16:25.26 | openfly | kay |
| 16:25.35 | abrotman | start in #solaris .. ask if they even want it |
| 16:25.38 | abrotman | find helpers |
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| 16:25.55 | socket_ | is there some documentation about how to take a Python module and turn it into a Debian package? I found the Python policy but it's not very useful (a step-by-step example would be best, as I never built a .deb before) |
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| 16:26.33 | drac | Zibar: Yes, if you change 'stable' or 'sarge' to 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update, and apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6. Now, someone will propably warn you not to use testing after this message. At your own risk. ;) |
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| 16:26.57 | empty | Zibar, don't use testing unless you know what you are doing ;) |
| 16:27.05 | Zibar | hey, thanks a lot drac - ill upgrade my kernel to 2.6.11-1 later tonight when kids are sound asleep .... |
| 16:27.05 | drac | empty ;) |
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| 16:27.08 | abrotman | socket_: maybe try #debian-mentors |
| 16:27.09 | PerfDave | Zibar: Be aware that you will lose security updates if you move to testing. |
| 16:27.18 | Zibar | oh |
| 16:27.21 | Zibar | thats not good |
| 16:27.31 | Zibar | any other way to get my sound system up and running |
| 16:27.35 | socket_ | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:27.56 | stew | socket_: read /msg dpkg mg ; then look at another python package to see how its packaged |
| 16:28.13 | umbop | hmm what would i need to configure a dual monitor? |
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| 16:28.19 | mike-gw | is it good to let defoma manage the fonts, or freetype ? |
| 16:28.37 | msingh | http://lists.debian.org/debian-tetex-maint/2004/10/msg00211.html |
| 16:28.41 | msingh | im getting the same error |
| 16:28.46 | msingh | where do i find a solution? :-/ |
| 16:28.55 | Zibar | any alternatives to 'the salsa way' ? .... i want to eventually run cedega, so it has to support this .... |
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| 16:29.05 | PerfDave | Zibar: "The salsa way"? |
| 16:29.08 | drac | Zibar: Maybe, Debian has alsa-source package. You could install sepate modules like.. 'apt-get install build-essential module-assistant modconf alsa-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' and 'm-a a-i alsa'. Then running 'modconf' and finding the new Intel snd driver from there. |
| 16:29.19 | Zibar | alsa even |
| 16:29.36 | Zibar | hmm |
| 16:29.42 | PerfDave | drac: That's only useful if you're running 2.4 kernels |
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| 16:30.07 | drac | PerfDave: Really? Sure it's ain't any newer than the one with 2.6.8 ? |
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| 16:30.34 | drac | it's > it |
| 16:31.01 | stew | drac: alsa is part of the kernel with 2.6 |
| 16:31.17 | drac | stew: Yes, i'm aware of that. But version of ALSA.. |
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| 16:32.05 | Zibar | hmmm, sounds like this will be kinda difficult |
| 16:32.10 | stew | duncf: i think i misfired to you earlier when you first joined, nm |
| 16:32.15 | asg | drac: 11:42 < stew> duncf: you don't need to know anything about lol |
| 16:32.17 | asg | bah |
| 16:32.21 | asg | s/drac/duncf/ |
| 16:32.23 | stew | yeah, that was a misfire |
| 16:32.36 | Zibar | maybe i should get me a standard soundcard .... bothers me though as i like this one .... supports surround sound and all .... |
| 16:32.58 | duncf | lol... you got my hopes up ;-) |
| 16:33.09 | stew | in response to < DiPx> I should learn more about this lol instead of asking stupid questions |
| 16:33.09 | Zibar | dont like to quit either :) |
| 16:33.19 | msingh | mwilson, ok i've got that package, tetex-bin installed (and reinstalled). i still dont have the file fmtutil.cnf. where is yours stored? |
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| 16:34.22 | xoz | msingh: /usr/share/tetex-bin/fmtutil.cnf, /var/lib/texmf/web2c/fmtutil.cnf |
| 16:34.40 | redpoptart | Sarge seems to have Apache2 preinstalled. How do I go about removing it? 'apt-get remove apache' or 'apt-get remove apache2' does not find any packages to remove. |
| 16:34.46 | useruser | msingh: dpkg -L tetex-bin | grep fmtutil |
| 16:34.54 | Zibar | so - could that other approach you mentioned work drac ? i dont really understand all the steps in it, but dont want to spend hours trying to understand it if its a dead end .... |
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| 16:35.02 | asg | redpoptart: dpkg -l | grep apache |
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| 16:35.08 | sergio | hi |
| 16:35.13 | cahoot | msingh: at the top of the file it says: This file is automatically generated by update-fmtutil |
| 16:35.18 | sergio | can someone help me with a package creation? |
| 16:35.22 | msingh | thanks guys. |
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| 16:35.28 | asg | sergio: /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:35.30 | msingh | whats update-fmutil i wonder? hmm. lemme check it out |
| 16:35.36 | PerfDave | Zibar: I don't think that th alsa-source package will help if you're running a 2.6 kernel. Check http://www.alsa-project.org/ or /msg dpkg further help |
| 16:35.41 | DiPx | I reinstalled and untarred it, but its still saying I dont have GD Support. Can someone help |
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| 16:35.46 | Zibar | ok |
| 16:35.47 | Pego | hi |
| 16:35.59 | redpoptart | ahhh.. apache2-common.. not install via meta package i see :p |
| 16:36.00 | redpoptart | thanks |
| 16:36.05 | Pego | can i creat a raid 0 without loosing the data that are on 1 of the 2 partition ? |
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| 16:36.27 | GomoX | Pego: ? |
| 16:36.34 | msingh | update-fmtutil; Something seems wrong. |
| 16:36.50 | L33tCh | can anyone help set up midi... all other sound works fine |
| 16:36.56 | stew | Pego: raid 0? no, raid 1, yes |
| 16:36.58 | Pego | i mean i need do a raid0 with 2 drive but one of my drive is full and i can't backup data on it :/ |
| 16:37.05 | Pego | raid1 yes ? |
| 16:37.07 | stew | yes |
| 16:37.11 | Pego | hum |
| 16:37.12 | GomoX | Pego: you obviously can't do that |
| 16:37.17 | sergio | asg: I followed the maintainers guide |
| 16:37.38 | sergio | asg: but i have a problem that i could not solve even with documentation |
| 16:37.47 | stew | Pego: if you don't have room to backup, you really shouldn't be considering raid0 in the first place |
| 16:37.58 | asg | sergio: then you are likely doing something non-trivial. Have you read the developer's reference? |
| 16:38.20 | Pego | i have 4 drive and i wanted do 2 raid 1 and then raid0 i have 1 drive full and 3 umpty |
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| 16:38.44 | L33tCh | how about, how to set up a midi mapper? |
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| 16:39.02 | xoz | msingh: try apt-get --purge remove tetex-bin ... then install again |
| 16:39.02 | GomoX | Pego: then do it, that's fine |
| 16:39.04 | stew | Pego: why not a 4 drive raid 1+0? |
| 16:39.09 | GomoX | just do the raid 1 first |
| 16:39.09 | DiPx | :( |
| 16:39.16 | msingh | xox. ok, im on it |
| 16:39.18 | GomoX | stew: i think that's what he is trying to do |
| 16:39.21 | Pego | stew: because evms don't allow this |
| 16:39.32 | stew | whats "evms" |
| 16:39.33 | GomoX | oh looks like he doesnt |
| 16:39.36 | sergio | asg: no |
| 16:39.44 | Pego | stew: 2 raid1 => 1 raid0 |
| 16:39.56 | asg | sergio: you might want to look there as well as at the source for a debian package that does something similar to what you want. |
| 16:39.59 | stew | sounds like raid 1+0 to me |
| 16:40.02 | GomoX | well, looks like he does again |
| 16:40.10 | Pego | stew: ho yes sorry |
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| 16:40.28 | Pego | but if i can raid1 my full part when ill create the raid0 all will be lost no ? |
| 16:40.35 | Hostile | does anyone here have mplayer set up? |
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| 16:40.47 | msingh | bugger. i deleted my partial file in apt/archives/ |
| 16:40.49 | useruser | Hostile: yes. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:40.55 | xoz | Hostile: continue with your question. |
| 16:40.56 | chaimj | I seems to run into the max file size under x86/kernel 2.4.x of 2GB |
| 16:41.11 | GomoX | Pego: yes, looks like it |
| 16:41.14 | GomoX | Pego: raid5? |
| 16:41.21 | sergio | asg: i know this doc, but i have a question and may be somebody has the answer |
| 16:41.28 | Hostile | I installed it from a .deb I found on a server and I cant get it to play .wmv |
| 16:41.30 | Pego | GomoX: can only lost 1 drive |
| 16:41.31 | sergio | asg: this doc is very big |
| 16:41.35 | asg | DiPx: the only thing I can think of to help you is to a) contact the vendor and ask them or perhaps b) google. You have the necessary support, your comercial package apparently doesn't look in standard places. |
| 16:41.37 | stew | Pego: i have no idea about evms, but with linux software raid for instance, you could create a 2 drive raid 1 array with one drive missing, move the data onto the degraded array then add the other drive |
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| 16:41.41 | Schiz0 | Hostile- apt-get install w32codecs |
| 16:41.43 | asg | sergio: then ask, someone might know |
| 16:41.43 | GomoX | Pego: huh? |
| 16:41.49 | Schiz0 | That'll play wmv. |
| 16:41.58 | xoz | Hostile: some wmv cannot be played because of M$ |
| 16:42.13 | GomoX | stew: the problem is he wants that raid1 volume to be part of a raid 0 then |
| 16:42.14 | DiPx | asg: Can you help me futher please |
| 16:42.17 | stew | Pego: so similarly with raid 1+0 you should be able to craete a degraded raid0 array with 2 drives, then move the data onto it, then add the other 2 drives |
| 16:42.23 | Pego | stew: hum have to try that |
| 16:42.25 | msingh | is there a way to recreate the partial file? |
| 16:42.35 | GomoX | stew: a degraded raid-0 array is dead |
| 16:42.36 | asg | DiPx: There's nothing else I can do. All of the ideas I have have already been tried. |
| 16:42.44 | sergio | can I force dpkg to install my package files before begining the configuration process? |
| 16:42.50 | netman1 | Hi All, anybody got a good alternative to apt-proxy? |
| 16:42.56 | Pego | he mean 1 drive fail in both raid1 |
| 16:42.57 | MasterChief | I'm having a problem with Pureftpd. My problem is for some reason it wont work when I try to log in with system users it only works with virtual mysql users. Can someone help? |
| 16:43.02 | stew | Pego: GomoX oh, yeah not degraded raid0, just raid0 |
| 16:43.05 | asg | netman1: squid |
| 16:43.18 | GomoX | oh ok then |
| 16:43.21 | netman1 | asg: got a working configuration? |
| 16:43.29 | GomoX | yeap stew's got the answer Pego |
| 16:43.56 | GomoX | Pego: as soon as you have a drive failure you will have to replace it anyway |
| 16:43.57 | asg | netman1: it's just a web proxy. You point your machines at it, they will use the proxy. Any downloaded packages will be retrieved from cache. It should practically work out of the box with a few minor config tweaks. |
| 16:44.08 | GomoX | Pego: no matter if it's raid 1 or raid 5 |
| 16:44.21 | MasterChief | anyone |
| 16:44.27 | netman1 | asg: I'll try. Thanks. |
| 16:45.07 | Hostile | ugh marillat never works I always get this when doing apt-get update |
| 16:45.09 | Hostile | The server refused the connection and said: Too many connections (2) from this IP [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] |
| 16:45.21 | Hostile | which makes no sense, because Im the only one on my IP connecting |
| 16:47.17 | GomoX | Hostile: use HTTP |
| 16:47.24 | xoz | Hostile: /msg dpkg marillat mirrors |
| 16:47.27 | GomoX | Hostile: apt will try concurrent downloads |
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| 16:47.37 | GomoX | and marillat's FTP doesn't seem to like this |
| 16:47.44 | Hostile | alright thanks guys |
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| 16:49.16 | msingh | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 16:49.16 | msingh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.16 | msingh | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:49.16 | msingh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:49.27 | migma | !flood msingh |
| 16:49.32 | msingh | how do i force remove stupid frozen booble |
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| 16:49.38 | Havoc][ | hello |
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| 16:50.03 | RichiH | msingh: apt-get remove |
| 16:50.14 | Havoc][ | had some a intel hd audio onboard soundcard running? with spdif out? |
| 16:50.17 | Schiz0 | apt-get remove --purge |
| 16:50.19 | esk | msingh: how hard do you want to try? |
| 16:50.40 | Hostile | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:50.40 | Hostile | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.40 | Hostile | , ugh wtf I have libdirectfb-0.9-22 |
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| 16:51.22 | Zibar | can anyone tell me if cedega will run without a working sound system ? |
| 16:51.22 | Zibar | :) |
| 16:51.22 | cengiz | hi all... how can i compile a package with gcc 3.4.3 ... gcc 4 is default by now |
| 16:51.23 | xoz | Hostile: try unstable instead of stable in the sources.list if you are in sid |
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| 16:51.36 | Hostile | xoz, I am using unstable in the sources.list |
| 16:51.42 | greycat | cengiz: use gcc-3.4 instead of gcc |
| 16:51.45 | asg | cengiz: change the relevant symlinks in /usr/bin to point to the gcc version you want. |
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| 16:52.28 | esk | msingh: if it decides you can't remove it until it installs successfully, let me know and I'll tell you how to fis it |
| 16:52.28 | xoz | Hostile: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:52.28 | migma | bassembg: don't message me |
| 16:52.28 | xoz | Hostile: apt-get update first |
| 16:52.29 | Hostile | k |
| 16:52.55 | cengiz | asg: how then |
| 16:52.55 | msingh | esk, really hard |
| 16:52.55 | migma | !alsa Havoc][ |
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| 16:52.59 | migma | !alsa |
| 16:52.59 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 16:53.27 | msingh | esk. thats exactly what its telling me |
| 16:53.34 | Hostile | ok xoz dist-upgrade didnt fix anything |
| 16:53.42 | Hostile | it upgraded some stuff, but thats it |
| 16:53.49 | Havoc][ | migma: discover1? hm... thanks i try. |
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| 16:54.59 | xoz | msingh: you can remove the install related script of frozen bubble in /var/lib/dpkg/info/frozen* |
| 16:55.06 | braniff | how do i pass options to kernel modules in debian ? |
| 16:55.07 | asg | cengiz: man ln |
| 16:55.25 | downpour | anyone tell me if gaim is working in unstable now? |
| 16:55.27 | greycat | braniff: put "modulename option1 option2 option3..." in /etc/modules |
| 16:55.27 | cengiz | asg, i solved thanks |
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| 16:55.36 | xoz | Hostile: hmmm, works for me here running sid |
| 16:55.58 | Hostile | xoz, can you give me the marillat line you have in your sources.list? |
| 16:56.01 | braniff | greycat, thanks |
| 16:56.13 | xoz | Hostile: are you using unstable in marillat mirror also? |
| 16:56.15 | ke6isf | Years ago, a friend had changed the console font. How does one do this? |
| 16:56.27 | Hostile | xoz, yeah hold on Ill show you mine |
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| 16:56.37 | gobject | I use heartbeat + drbd, both return on standalone status after failure emulation? why? |
| 16:56.41 | Hostile | deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/apt-proxy/marillat unstable main |
| 16:56.45 | xoz | Hostile: deb http://debian.nsu.ru/mirrors/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main |
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| 16:56.48 | gobject | I'm using ipfail together |
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| 16:57.40 | stew | gobject: ask in #linux-ha |
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| 16:58.50 | gobject | stew, THX |
| 16:58.55 | xoz | Hostile: depends on libdirectfb-0.9-22 should be ok |
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| 16:58.56 | Eulex | !THX |
| 16:58.56 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 16:58.58 | Hostile | xoz, ok apt-get install mplayer-nogui is working now |
| 16:59.09 | underdog | Hi everyone. Is there anything online regarding getting nVidia cards to work with 3D in Xorg? |
| 16:59.10 | Hostile | the mirror I was using must have been outdated |
| 16:59.16 | xoz | Hostile: that other mirror should be trashed |
| 16:59.19 | underdog | Ie. an unofficial HOWTO or somesuch |
| 16:59.28 | cyrille | does it appear in syslog when a server is pluged out violently? |
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| 16:59.46 | mike-gw | can I use testing ? is it not so breakable like unstable ? |
| 16:59.49 | Eulex | !get xorg |
| 16:59.49 | dpkg | xorg recently entered unstable. EXPECT MAJOR BREAKAGE. if you were previously running xorg debs from any other source you must remove all traces of xorg packages before you install the official xorg packages, or currently nvidia-glx is not working with xorg. so if you need 3d accel with an nvidia card, don't migrate to xorg, or see <xorg-nvidia>, or <xorg sarge> |
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| 17:00.15 | drac | old news, nvidia-glx is available for xorg now too. |
| 17:00.19 | bassembg | ok migma r u familiar with sh files |
| 17:00.24 | xoz | Hostile: install w32codecs |
| 17:00.28 | underdog | drac: how? where? |
| 17:00.29 | Hostile | xoz, doing so now |
| 17:00.37 | Hostile | M-m-m-ajor breakage |
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| 17:00.46 | Hostile | lol for xorg |
| 17:00.48 | underdog | Hostile, playing too much UT2004, have you? ;M) |
| 17:00.50 | Eulex | drac, ok, I thought that was about the xorg in unstable... |
| 17:00.53 | drac | underdog: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner (replace xserver-xfree86 in those instructions with xserver-xorg) |
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| 17:01.05 | Hostile | underdog, yea with the M-m-m-onsterkill |
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| 17:01.43 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
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| 17:02.08 | underdog | drac: I have unmet dependencies :( |
| 17:02.25 | bassembg | any one knows how to make sh files run on ubuntu |
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| 17:02.37 | underdog | bassembg, first line must read #!/bin/sh |
| 17:02.43 | underdog | bassembg, after that, chmod +x file.sh |
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| 17:03.12 | EnsignRedshirt | :) |
| 17:03.16 | stew | bassembg: sh /path/to/file.sh |
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| 17:03.21 | drac | Eulex: apologies, let me that that back - now that I check my apt-cache I see i've been told wrong, I don't see nvidia-glx for xorg. |
| 17:03.29 | Treatz | Does anyone have a server I could use to run NNTP? |
| 17:03.41 | xoz | Treatz: and get root? |
| 17:03.49 | mike-gw | is testing usable ? |
| 17:04.05 | Schiz0 | I run testing with no problems at all |
| 17:04.15 | Treatz | xoz, would I need root access? |
| 17:04.26 | mike-gw | Schiz0: ok |
| 17:04.30 | stew | mike-gw: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 17:04.31 | Eulex | drac, ok -- I didn't know if it actually was true, I just saw that piecec of info in the get xorg factoid earlier today |
| 17:04.34 | Schiz0 | I think stable is too old (not recently though, it was just released) |
| 17:04.41 | underdog | drac, is any special repo required? |
| 17:04.49 | xoz | Treatz: just kddng. why do you want to? |
| 17:05.04 | stew | mike-gw: if you run testing you win a free subscription to debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 17:05.07 | mike-gw | stew: ok, thank you, this doesn't really matter |
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| 17:05.17 | mike-gw | :) |
| 17:05.22 | Treatz | I would like to run a news server that hosts one newsgroup, so I can locally moderate the group. |
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| 17:05.52 | drac | underdog: nvidia-glx is in experimental, but .. I didn't just say that, since you shouldn't be using unstable, or specially NOT packages from experimental. Just wait until it hits your version. |
| 17:06.06 | muondude | hello: woody to sarge upgrade question |
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| 17:06.08 | ph8 | lo all |
| 17:06.13 | ph8 | I can't seem to get the php binaries from a package |
| 17:06.16 | ph8 | i've apt-got php4 |
| 17:06.18 | xoz | !woody->sarge |
| 17:06.19 | ph8 | but it's not there |
| 17:06.28 | underdog | drac: so if I apt-get install -t experimental nvidia-glx, will it work? |
| 17:06.40 | asg | ph8: what binaries? |
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| 17:06.54 | ph8 | /usr/bin/php |
| 17:06.55 | bassembg | first line in what? |
| 17:07.00 | ph8 | to execute command line stuff basically |
| 17:07.01 | Caldrin | Hi! I'm using a Debian testing on my laptop and I can not mount my usb-stick. mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt fails with "/dev/sda1 is not a vaild blockdevice". I think, it might be a missing kernelmodule, since my workstation, which has a distributionkernel and not a selfbuiild like the notebook, does not have any problems mounting that stick. What may be missing? |
| 17:07.04 | muondude | i started process to go from kernal 2.2-19 to 2.4-X and found there is no lilo.conf file. |
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| 17:07.08 | Justin | !tell ph8 about search |
| 17:07.14 | asg | Treatz: apt-cache search news server |
| 17:07.15 | bassembg | underdog, first line on what? |
| 17:07.17 | ph8 | done that already |
| 17:07.21 | Justin | ph8: don't lie |
| 17:07.21 | ph8 | obviously |
| 17:07.23 | ph8 | tis how i found php |
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| 17:07.31 | underdog | bassembg, on the .sh file |
| 17:07.31 | asg | ph8: install php4-cgi then |
| 17:07.32 | PeterB | ph8: php4-cli |
| 17:07.34 | ph8 | hmm |
| 17:07.36 | muondude | Do I need to run liloconfig to create one? How was I boot before? strange |
| 17:07.37 | ph8 | didn't even see that |
| 17:07.38 | ph8 | but ty |
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| 17:07.54 | Treatz | asg, finding a news server is not a problem. |
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| 17:08.01 | Treatz | It is getting the server hosted |
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| 17:08.09 | bassembg | u mean i must edit the sh file |
| 17:08.12 | asg | Treatz: there are thousands of servers; google. |
| 17:08.22 | underdog | bassembg, just make sure that the first line of the .sh file reads #!/bin/sh |
| 17:08.23 | asg | Treatz: nobody here is going to host your newsgroup for free. |
| 17:08.24 | xoz | Caldrin: ehci-hcd, uhci-hcd, ohci-hcd, usb-storage |
| 17:09.09 | xoz | Caldrin: sd_mod |
| 17:09.33 | Treatz | xoz might. |
| 17:09.36 | Caldrin | I already did modprobe sd_mod successfully. |
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| 17:09.50 | stew | bassembg: you don't need to edit the file, just run sh /path/to/file.sh |
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| 17:09.54 | Caldrin | lets try the oters |
| 17:09.56 | xoz | Caldrin: what about the others i told you? |
| 17:10.13 | underdog | drac: I'm trying to use the experimental tree, but it won't work. Any ideas? |
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| 17:10.27 | yaccobb | 'Sessions' dissapeared from gnome advanced preferences, how can I get them back ? I tryied to reinstal some gnome packages (the windows way of solving thing) but no effect... |
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| 17:10.33 | xoz | !ideas |
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| 17:10.46 | xoz | dpkg, are you dead? |
| 17:11.00 | dp_wiz | yeah. brain-dead... ): |
| 17:11.04 | bassembg | ok wait i'll try it |
| 17:11.25 | Justin | yaccobb: the only relevant package is gnome-session, is that the one you reinstalled? |
| 17:12.05 | Caldrin | ehci-hcd and ohci-hcd are missing. uhci-hcd and usb-storage were modprobed successfully, but I can't mount yet. So I'm trying to rebuild my kernel with ehci-hcd and ohci-hcd. Thank you |
| 17:12.22 | xiglet | I'm about to use my debian server as a pop3 and imap4 server, what package should I use? cyrus? |
| 17:12.23 | stew | !wayc Caldrin |
| 17:12.24 | dpkg | Caldrin: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 17:12.26 | bassembg | stew when i try to ru sh/path/to/file.sh it gives no such file or directory |
| 17:12.40 | asg | xiglet: use courier, binc or dovecot. |
| 17:12.41 | yaccobb | Justin, yes, I did. |
| 17:12.48 | asg | xiglet: cyrus will make you want to kill things |
| 17:12.48 | stew | sh /path/to/file.sh, not sh/path/to/file.sh |
| 17:12.55 | Justin | yaccobb: does a new user account have the same problem? |
| 17:13.01 | xiglet | ok tnx asg |
| 17:13.51 | yaccobb | Justin, how can I try ? (i have localised Debian so I don't know english names...) |
| 17:13.54 | drac | underdog: I said 'I didn't just say that, and wait until it hits your version' .. no one should be using experimental if they aren't 100% positive about what they are doing. Including myself. |
| 17:13.56 | bassembg | ya i did that , its the same |
| 17:14.07 | ajurado | dgrj |
| 17:14.15 | Justin | yaccobb: huh? add a new user and login as them, see if the problem persists |
| 17:14.27 | Caldrin | I had bad experience with ACPI in the distributionskernel and there was something in concern with my wlan-card and the dist-kernel, that I can not remember, but forced me to compile |
| 17:14.47 | yaccobb | Justin, oh, bad translation. OO, i try that. |
| 17:14.53 | yaccobb | *OK |
| 17:15.02 | golan77x | hi: i'm running a 3.0r5 testing, and I want to go to the new testing (etch); is it possible that i cannot download from sources.list? a common mistake? |
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| 17:15.16 | stew | Caldrin: pass acpi=off to the kernel |
| 17:15.32 | valdyn | golan77x: 3.0r5 is woody is stable. |
| 17:15.38 | stew | bassembg: did you actually replace /path/to/file.sh with the actual path? sh must be found |
| 17:15.39 | drac | golan77x: You are running oldstable. |
| 17:15.41 | Caldrin | Well, I want ACPI on, since it's a laptop. |
| 17:15.48 | drac | valdyn: oldstable :) |
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| 17:16.05 | valdyn | point. ) |
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| 17:16.12 | golan77x | ah ok... so i just follow instructions "from woody to sarge" |
| 17:16.19 | stew | golan77x: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 17:16.22 | bassembg | underdog the fist line is /bin/sh |
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| 17:16.42 | stew | golan77x: if you want to go straight to etch, replace sarge with etch in those instructions |
| 17:16.50 | stew | bassembg: you don't need to edit the file |
| 17:16.52 | Caldrin | ACPI runs great now. Both suspend to disc and suspend to RAM. Something very impoertant to me, more than this silly usb-stick ;o) |
| 17:16.53 | golan77x | ok stew |
| 17:17.07 | bassembg | ok |
| 17:17.12 | golan77x | thanks :-) |
| 17:17.17 | bassembg | but it has bin/sh |
| 17:17.21 | Eulex | golan77x, I think it would be safer to first go from woody to sarge and then to etch -- then you can also follow the upgrading instructions in the manual |
| 17:17.27 | stew | bassembg: if the sh /path/to/file.sh isn't working you gave the wrong /path/to/file |
| 17:17.27 | bassembg | and still it won't run |
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| 17:17.43 | bassembg | can u specify more |
| 17:17.45 | golan77x | Eulex: good hint |
| 17:17.52 | kamaraju | Hi, I have a machine with no floppy/cdrom drive. Is it possible to install debian on it by using hard disk of another machine connected through network? Can you give any references? I searched google, but am unable to find anything. |
| 17:18.10 | Schiz0 | kamaraju- How about a USB Flash drive? |
| 17:18.13 | stew | bassembg: nope. just run "sh file.sh" |
| 17:18.18 | SuperFly | What's the best/easiest way to compile snmp support into my php install? |
| 17:18.19 | yaccobb | Justin, there are no 'Sessions' in menu for new user too. |
| 17:18.25 | asg | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:18.25 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:18.26 | stew | bassembg: if you are in the same directory, if not, you need to specify the path to file.sh |
| 17:18.34 | kamaraju | Schiz0: I dont have any USB flash drive. |
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| 17:18.41 | Internett | hi |
| 17:18.46 | bassembg | i'm in the same directory |
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| 17:19.01 | stew | SuperFly: apt-get install php4-snmp |
| 17:19.04 | asg | kamaraju: put the harddrive in a machine that actually has peripherals. Move new install to machine without peripherals. |
| 17:19.05 | Internett | anyone knows how can i edit the demon from ssh? |
| 17:19.15 | SuperFly | muchos gracias |
| 17:19.21 | asg | Internett: ? edit the demon? |
| 17:19.24 | Internett | i want to change port |
| 17:19.29 | Internett | edit sshd |
| 17:19.32 | bassembg | ok thanks any way |
| 17:19.38 | bassembg | i'll try later |
| 17:19.41 | Internett | asg sshd |
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| 17:19.54 | asg | Internett: yes, you should be able to. |
| 17:20.06 | stew | Internett: man sshd_config |
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| 17:20.17 | Internett | oh ok stew thanks |
| 17:20.18 | ryan` | I need to install an ftp daemon on web server for our web guys to use. I need to be able to map thier accounts so it maps them to the www-data user. Could I get some suguestions on what ftp daemon to use? |
| 17:20.43 | stew | ryan`: the best ftp daemon to use is none at all |
| 17:20.47 | carcrashnights | I'm getting a dpportmap error when I try to mount NFS. |
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| 17:20.50 | PerfDave | ryan`: Use webdav, or sftp with keys. |
| 17:20.51 | stew | ryan`: teach them to use ssh |
| 17:20.56 | carcrashnights | I must have bound something to it. |
| 17:20.58 | kamaraju | asg: Thanks. That is one way. But is cumbersome, as I have to open two machines. I will use it if I do not find any other solution. |
| 17:21.02 | greycat | ryan`: or WebDAV. |
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| 17:21.12 | carcrashnights | Has someone perhaps made the same mistake? |
| 17:21.16 | asg | kamaraju: that's likely your only option. |
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| 17:21.49 | ryan` | WebDAV with ssl? |
| 17:22.05 | greycat | ryan`: https: would actually make that a possibility. |
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| 17:22.15 | kamaraju | asg, Does it help if the machine is currently running Fedora? I mean someone told me I can do bootstrap? Is it possible? |
| 17:22.30 | asg | kamaraju: oh, you coul debootstrap it perhaps (/msg dpkg debootstrap) |
| 17:22.34 | asg | s/coul/could/ |
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| 17:23.07 | ryan` | my boss wants me to put an ftp server on there, I already suguested scp. |
| 17:23.13 | ryan` | got nixed. |
| 17:23.36 | asg | ryan`: explain to him that ftp is why government secrets get stolen. |
| 17:23.45 | humbolto | with iptables, does it work to connect to the outside ip of a DMZ host from within the DMZ? |
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| 17:24.32 | ryan` | asg, It's on our lan and can only be accessed via VPN. |
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| 17:24.46 | PerfDave | humbolto: That will work if your firewall is configured to do that. |
| 17:25.24 | transgress | * dpkg ponders: 'C++' should have been called 'D' -- #Debian <-- on /. now heh |
| 17:25.24 | asg | ryan`: then use proftpd |
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| 17:25.53 | mihai_ | how do i remove the graphical login screen ? |
| 17:26.02 | mihai_ | i mean disable/enable, not remove |
| 17:26.05 | asg | mihai_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:26.10 | humbolto | PerfDave: I am asking since freebsd's ipfilter/ipnat does not seem to support it |
| 17:26.17 | mihai_ | you sure got an answer for everything :) |
| 17:26.33 | ryan` | webdav is a good suguestion, I'll have to lobby for thet later |
| 17:26.34 | stew | transgress: /ignore -replies *!*@slashdot.org |
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| 17:26.57 | PerfDave | humbolto: I'm pretty sure that ipfilter will support it, if you tell it to do so. |
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| 17:28.40 | yaccobb | when is it so problematic to session to gnome preferences, how can I at least edit apps which start on gnome start ? |
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| 17:28.56 | jeffro | hey |
| 17:28.58 | mihai_ | got a problem, the default xfree86 has laggy graphics, not much, but it's noticeable |
| 17:29.05 | mihai_ | slightly... |
| 17:29.14 | Eulex | yaccobb, -> #gnome |
| 17:29.17 | jeffro | im finally on my xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:29.18 | Eulex | mihai_, what driver? |
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| 17:29.32 | braniff_ | root@localhost# ls -l /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf returns no named interfaces, only "all" and "default". How do i fix that ?? |
| 17:29.36 | mihai_ | Eulex, nv |
| 17:29.42 | mihai_ | Eulex, is it easy to install the nvidia package ? |
| 17:29.49 | humbolto | http://m0n0.ch/wall/docbook/faq-lannat.html |
| 17:30.02 | jeffro | how can i view my other hard disk? |
| 17:30.18 | jeffro | its formatted in ntfs (winxp) |
| 17:30.21 | humbolto | PrevDave: http://m0n0.ch/wall/docbook/faq-lannat.html |
| 17:30.21 | Eulex | mihai_, sorry, I know nothing about the nv or nvidia drivers -- just wanted to make sure you wasn't using something like vesa |
| 17:30.28 | Eulex | jeffro, mount it |
| 17:30.35 | jeffro | how do you mount it |
| 17:30.43 | PerfDave | mihai_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:30.44 | jeffro | sorrry but im not familiar with linux yet |
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| 17:30.53 | humbolto | PrevDave: that's why I am wondering how iptables behaves |
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| 17:30.57 | jeffro | welll not fully |
| 17:31.01 | Eulex | jeffro, mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint |
| 17:31.01 | PerfDave | mihai_: It's not hard, if you don't mind using propriatery software. |
| 17:31.06 | muondude | hi - problem upgrading kernel from 2.2-19 to 2.4.27-2-686 (woody to sarge); lilo.conf not there? I can post message to #flood is needed. |
| 17:31.07 | jeffro | ok |
| 17:31.09 | jeffro | tnx |
| 17:31.12 | jeffro | i get it |
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| 17:31.45 | Eulex | jeffro, when you have it working you can add it to /etc/fstab, so it's mounted automagically on boot |
| 17:31.46 | m4lu8 | so begins my foray into PXE. |
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| 17:31.53 | PerfDave | humbolto: iptables and ipfilter both do what you configure them to do. If you configure your firewall to allow connections to the external IPs of DMZ machines, from within the DMZ, then it will work. If you don't, then it won't. |
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| 17:31.57 | pngwn | jeffro, good documentation on debian.org and look at the FAQ in the topic ;) |
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| 17:32.07 | jeffro | il try |
| 17:32.15 | stew | humbolto: i use monowall (and like it), i get around this limitation by setting up a internal view on my dns server for the natted machines |
| 17:32.28 | jeffro | you ment /dev/hdc1 |
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| 17:32.32 | jeffro | i think :D |
| 17:32.51 | Eulex | jeffro, it differs, so I wrote /dev/whatever |
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| 17:33.13 | jeffro | ok |
| 17:33.21 | Eulex | jeffro, for example, I have /dev/sda2 |
| 17:33.25 | jeffro | oh |
| 17:33.25 | jeffro | ok |
| 17:33.32 | ryan` | asg, any particular reason for proftpd instead of pureftpd or vsftpd? |
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| 17:33.47 | Schiz0 | Pureftpd rocks. |
| 17:34.15 | yam | I'm having problems ftping... I ftp from a server with private ip to an external server with public ip... I get the illegal port error... |
| 17:34.16 | Schiz0 | Anyone know a FTPd that supports Implicit SSL? |
| 17:34.17 | asg | ryan`: no, it has lots of options so may do what you want. |
| 17:34.23 | jeffro | i mounted it but this is strange i see the same dh twice ~: |
| 17:34.29 | jeffro | hd |
| 17:34.32 | yam | can I force the ftp client to show another ip to the destiny? |
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| 17:34.40 | PerfDave | yam: Use passive FTP? |
| 17:34.53 | binaryc | i have an odd problem with window themes with rounded corners in gnome, they aren't transparent they are filled with white or black, I used to think this was due to the lack of transperancy in xfree86 but now that i am running xorg (xcompmgr and transset) and i am still have the problem i don't know what to blame |
| 17:34.53 | mike-gw | lol |
| 17:34.56 | yam | perfdave: that requires remote ftp server admin to open up ports on their firewall |
| 17:34.58 | Eulex | jeffro, what do you mean? |
| 17:35.04 | humbolto | stew: that's what I was thinking about, but I want to keep things simple. So I think I will just use official IPs for the DMZ. |
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| 17:35.19 | Havoc][ | bye |
| 17:35.19 | jeffro | now i have hdc1 and 2 |
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| 17:35.28 | jeffro | when i view it in konqueror |
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| 17:35.38 | jeffro | i see the same content |
| 17:35.57 | yam | perfdave: thought could be a way to use non-passive mode |
| 17:35.59 | PerfDave | yam: It works on most FTP servers. FTP's just shit, don't use it ;) |
| 17:36.00 | jeffro | i mounted it as root |
| 17:36.04 | yam | from an internal to external ip |
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| 17:36.27 | Eulex | jeffro, heh, strange -- do fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
| 17:36.35 | PerfDave | yam: Your NAT box should support FTP connection tracking, in which case things will Just Work. If it doesn't, I'd try to fix that. |
| 17:36.39 | stew | humbolto: you mean ditch the freebsd in favor of a netfilter firewall? |
| 17:36.39 | humbolto | stew: I like the interface of m0n0wall. However I am missing a feature to setup one rule for a group of hosts, that are not necessarily in one subnet |
| 17:36.44 | jeffro | hope it doesn't dlete anything |
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| 17:37.00 | yam | perfdave: hmmmm |
| 17:37.01 | jeffro | don |
| 17:37.06 | jeffro | i mounted it to / |
| 17:37.13 | jeffro | is that the problem |
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| 17:37.18 | stew | humbolto: for my linux based firewalls, i build and deploy iptables scripts with fwbuilder, which gives you a nice interface |
| 17:37.20 | humbolto | stew: no, ditch the private ips in my DMZ in favor of public ones |
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| 17:37.22 | PerfDave | jeffro: Yes, that is a problem. |
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| 17:37.25 | stew | humbolto: ahh |
| 17:37.28 | Eulex | jeffro, may be, you *shouldn't* do that |
| 17:37.35 | far | hello , i'm trying to chroot myself under /mnt/ but I get a answer like " cannot run command `/bin/bash'" |
| 17:37.43 | jeffro | ohk ok il try it in my home |
| 17:37.47 | humbolto | stew: That is my second choice (fwbuilder) |
| 17:37.53 | torc | why does sid not run any window manager by default for "startx" ? |
| 17:37.57 | Eulex | jeffro, mount it in an empty directory |
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| 17:38.12 | Eulex | jeffro, I created /windows for that purpose |
| 17:38.16 | far | hello , i'm trying to chroot myself under /mnt/ but I get a answer like " cannot run command `/bin/bash'" , what can be the problem ? |
| 17:38.21 | jeffro | according to mtab, /dev/hdc1 is mounted on / |
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| 17:38.26 | humbolto | stew: But I do not know if I can feel comfortable using a standard debian box as basis for my firewall |
| 17:38.37 | Eulex | far, you haven't got /bin/bash in the chroot? |
| 17:38.49 | humbolto | stew: Do you know a way, how I can harden it easily? |
| 17:38.58 | golan77x | from sarge to etch, I just need to change sources.list ? |
| 17:38.59 | far | I do have it Eulex , in /bin/bash |
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| 17:39.03 | jeffro | i cant unmount it xD |
| 17:39.07 | far | I do have it Eulex , in /mnt/bin/bash |
| 17:39.17 | binaryc | golan77x yep |
| 17:39.25 | golan77x | thanks binaryc :-) |
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| 17:39.30 | golan77x | almost done here :-))) |
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| 17:39.37 | binaryc | dist-upgrade |
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| 17:39.41 | Eulex | far, ok -- do you have any libs it might require in the chroot? |
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| 17:39.52 | golan77x | binaryc: what about non-us files? I don't need them anymore, right? |
| 17:39.57 | cougar`1 | Hello everyone. Good afternoon! |
| 17:40.02 | Wiggle | hey, does anyone know how to change the current language in debian, because now pico, etc is in dutch, and I'd prefer it to just use English :P |
| 17:40.04 | stew | humbolto: have you read the securing debian manual on security.debian.org? |
| 17:40.10 | rbochan | blah |
| 17:40.10 | far | Eulex: I did a copy using rsync from the / to the mnt (partition) |
| 17:40.13 | Craigo | does non-US still exists? |
| 17:40.18 | humbolto | stew: no |
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| 17:40.29 | Eulex | jeffro, if you mounted it to / you will have a hard time unmounting it |
| 17:40.29 | stew | !tell Craigo about guidelines |
| 17:40.32 | Eulex | far, ok |
| 17:40.35 | rbochan | Craigo: /topic |
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| 17:40.43 | jeffro | damn |
| 17:40.44 | SuperFly | anyone use a software app to manage their IP space? |
| 17:40.49 | Craigo | damn.. apologises about that :) |
| 17:40.49 | binaryc | golan77x i left in in my sources, i don' t know if i am still using it for anything |
| 17:40.49 | jeffro | il have to reboot i think |
| 17:41.00 | golan77x | thanx |
| 17:41.07 | PerfDave | golan77x: Yes, and dist-upgrade, though you will lose security updates if you're not running sarge. |
| 17:41.10 | jeffro | also how to go to root directory in a terminal |
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| 17:41.20 | golan77x | thanks perfdave |
| 17:41.26 | yam | perfdave: my router/nat box has ftp protocol compiled in.... dunno whats happening then |
| 17:41.29 | Eulex | jeffro, but maybe there is a way to force unmounting of it? I'll check |
| 17:41.30 | asg | jeffro: cd / |
| 17:41.33 | jeffro | ok |
| 17:41.43 | golan77x | it's for my personal desktop... it will be far more secure than any other windows... even without sec updates :-) |
| 17:42.12 | Eulex | jeffro, you could try -f and -l command line options |
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| 17:42.27 | jeffro | ok |
| 17:42.44 | jeffro | done |
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| 17:43.05 | Wiggle | Does anyone have an idea on how to change the language debian is using to English instead of Dutch? :) |
| 17:43.25 | shimano55 | Does anyone else use kaudipcreator to rip music? |
| 17:43.32 | jeffro | control panel |
| 17:43.33 | Eulex | jeffro, so it worked? |
| 17:43.46 | jeffro | wiggle: base-config |
| 17:43.47 | binaryc | windows themes with rounded corners are filled with black in my gnome, i though xfree was to blame but now i have xorg and it is still a problem, any ideas ? |
| 17:43.49 | Eulex | Wiggle, dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 17:43.53 | jeffro | umm |
| 17:43.55 | jeffro | not fully |
| 17:44.06 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.06 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.06 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.11 | zinx | binaryc: load "extmod" |
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| 17:44.30 | Wiggle | ty Eulex |
| 17:45.07 | cougar`1 | Hey all : What would be the best way to share my Linux drive, to my PC and Mac? |
| 17:45.21 | abrotman | samba |
| 17:45.36 | Schiz0 | Yeah, samba. |
| 17:45.41 | jeffro | cougar: search for ext3 browser windows on google |
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| 17:45.54 | Eulex | !tell jeffro about nicktab |
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| 17:45.59 | jeffro | cougar: and ext3 browser mac on google |
| 17:46.12 | jeffro | i dont see anythin |
| 17:46.18 | binaryc | zinx- in xorg.conf ? |
| 17:46.21 | cougar`1 | ext3 .... My partitions are using XFS |
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| 17:46.48 | jeffro | then xfs |
| 17:46.52 | Eulex | cougar`, then do the same, but s/ext3/xfs/ |
| 17:46.54 | zinx | binaryc: yeah |
| 17:46.55 | jeffro | or reiserfs |
| 17:46.56 | cougar`1 | okay |
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| 17:47.10 | zinx | binaryc: or XF86Config, if you want to use xf86 :/ |
| 17:47.28 | jeffro | cant mount it |
| 17:47.35 | binaryc | zinx- and miss all this xcompmgr transset fun ! forget that, |
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| 17:48.57 | jeffro | il reboot, il come back on this channel |
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| 17:49.17 | omry | how can I tell which process is accessing the HD like crazy? |
| 17:49.29 | zinx | omry: look for one in the 'D' state |
| 17:50.01 | shimano55 | Question, I'm using kaudiocreator, but it won't let me encode to mp3's. Does anyone know a program that can do that? |
| 17:50.18 | shimano55 | Ripping and encoding to mp3 that is. |
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| 17:50.28 | PerfDave | shimano55: /msg dpkg lame |
| 17:50.32 | zinx | shimano55: try grip |
| 17:50.39 | omry | zinx, its kdeinit, what's D? |
| 17:50.45 | PerfDave | shimano55: MP3 encoding isn't in Debian because it's patent-encumbered. You can install unofficial Debs, or just use Ogg Vorbis already. |
| 17:50.50 | FieldySnuts | fucking shit |
| 17:50.55 | FieldySnuts | wow wrong chan |
| 17:51.06 | zinx | omry: process is in kernel-space, usually due to IO |
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| 17:51.16 | rbochan | shimano55: grip with lame |
| 17:51.22 | xtream | hi guys |
| 17:51.28 | xtream | good afternoon |
| 17:51.30 | omry | zinx, I see, thanks. |
| 17:51.40 | zinx | omry: (most other kernel-space stuff is very quick, so the process doesn't stay there long) |
| 17:51.45 | xtream | someone here knows how to mount an sfs volume ? |
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| 17:52.43 | omry | zinx, got any idea how to find WHY its doing what it does? |
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| 17:53.01 | zinx | omry: nope |
| 17:53.08 | zinx | omry: nothing other than google, anyway |
| 17:53.34 | omry | zinx, yeah, in google we trust.. thanks. |
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| 17:53.48 | Eulex | and bts |
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| 17:54.06 | PerfDave | zinx: Check the full ps output, use pstree to see what its children are, ask #debian-kde :) |
| 17:54.08 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hack klecker |
| 17:54.19 | zinx | PerfDave: direct towards omry :) |
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| 17:56.33 | shimano55 | oooo |
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| 17:56.47 | PerfDave | omry: Check the full ps output, use pstree to see what its children are, ask #debian-kde :) |
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| 17:57.56 | Havoc][ | hello |
| 17:58.02 | Eulex | !tell Schiz0|Away about away |
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| 17:58.21 | Havoc][ | is it possible to boot windows on a software raid with grub? |
| 17:58.22 | mike-gw | !tell mike-gw about away |
| 17:58.23 | resiak | Eulex: That's not such a big deal as "/me is away --- omg!!!!!111" :) |
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| 17:58.32 | resiak | !tell mike-gw -about msgdpkg |
| 17:58.40 | Schiz0|Away | Jesus christ, I disabled the message /me is away blah blah...I can't even fuckign change my nick? |
| 17:59.03 | rob_lt | I know this isn't quite debian related, but I'm uploaded a pdf to a career site. Is an underscore a valid filename character in windows? For example, is resume_one.pdf going to cause problems? |
| 17:59.13 | rob_lt | s/uploaded/uploading |
| 17:59.17 | PerfDave | rob_lt: Should be OK |
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| 17:59.39 | rob_lt | PerfDave: thanks, I'm getting a post error trying to upload my resume, and I wanted to be sure it wasn't the filename |
| 17:59.43 | drac | Schiz0|Away: There is no need to change nick, or /me.. There is _away_ in /whois nick nick for that. |
| 18:00.19 | Schiz0|Away | When I set myself away, it announces that I'm away with /me is away, I'm on other networks so I do that there, on here I don't so it doesn't set me as away. |
| 18:00.22 | Schiz0|Away | ok whatever. |
| 18:00.23 | rob_lt | Anyone want to hire an undergrad physicist? :-) |
| 18:01.08 | drac | Schiz0: You get banned for that on EFnet or QuakeNet's #debian's. Here just told. |
| 18:01.26 | zinx | drac: nah, you get banned for that here too if you don't listen |
| 18:01.39 | rob_lt | fsck nothing pissing me off more than spending 30 minutes filling out some online application, only to have their POS server barf up when I hit submit... what a waste of time. |
| 18:01.53 | Ronin | damn i like doing office moves when its 32c in the bloody office |
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| 18:02.12 | abrotman | Ronin: file with OSHA! |
| 18:02.15 | sean_micken | heya |
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| 18:02.23 | mike-gw | Schiz0: recently I get banned cause of my away nick :p |
| 18:02.43 | sean_micken | i would like to install the XFCE in unstable (i want the 4.2 version) on a stable system, is this going to cause any problems? |
| 18:02.53 | Eulex | Schiz0, heh, on what network? |
| 18:02.53 | Ronin | abrotman: likely wont have to, its a building full of union and non union govt employees, i know someones already bitched |
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| 18:03.03 | abrotman | Ronin: yep .. that'll do it |
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| 18:03.12 | mike-gw | sean_micken: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ |
| 18:03.19 | Schiz0 | Eulex- Huh? |
| 18:03.38 | sean_micken | mike-gw: i've seen those, but i |
| 18:03.42 | Eulex | Schiz0, sorry, meant for mike-gw |
| 18:03.46 | Schiz0 | ah k |
| 18:03.54 | mike-gw | Eulex: this server, the chan linux-fr :p |
| 18:04.03 | sean_micken | mike-gw: ... have also seen the xfce 4.2 in unstable... is there anyway to use those? |
| 18:04.04 | DiPx | I have libgd-dev and libgd2-dev installed, but the installation program is not picking it up and its saying No GD Library Support, can anyone help me? |
| 18:04.16 | mike-gw | Eulex: there's a ban on *mike*/j #linux-fr |
| 18:04.21 | mike-gw | oops |
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| 18:04.37 | Eulex | sean_micken, I think those at os-works will work -- at least better than those from unstable |
| 18:04.37 | PerfDave | sean_micken: You'll want to backport it from source. |
| 18:04.41 | Eulex | mike-gw, ok |
| 18:04.53 | PerfDave | sean_micken: Installing .debs from unstable onto stable is rarely a good idea, and will soon not work at all. |
| 18:04.57 | sean_micken | ok |
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| 18:05.11 | zinx | PerfDave: C++ debs already won't work :/ |
| 18:05.23 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
| 18:05.45 | sean_micken | PerfDave: off the xfce subject... i see a lot of module loading errors on bootup and i guess it really doesn't affect my system once up and running, but is there anyway to get rid of all those failed to load module errors? |
| 18:06.04 | Eulex | sean_micken, blacklist em |
| 18:06.07 | PerfDave | sean_micken: That depends on what the errors are :) |
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| 18:06.28 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 18:06.28 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 18:06.31 | mike-gw | sean_micken: unstable is a *bad* idea |
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| 18:06.38 | NoRC | Where is the best place to find out why X is turning my monitor off |
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| 18:06.48 | vIkSiT | Greeting |
| 18:07.22 | vIkSiT | Greetings |
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| 18:07.40 | Eulex | NoRC, the net? google? ask in mailing lists? btw, define "turn monitor off" |
| 18:07.46 | rob_lt | NoRC: what do you mean by turning it off, the screen goes blank? I would check for xscreensaver, or a bios powersave. |
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| 18:08.01 | NoRC | screen goes blank when x start |
| 18:08.02 | vIkSiT | I've been contemplating an upgrade to deb sarge from FC3 - my concern was, whether the latest packages will be available for Sarge now that its deemed stable? |
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| 18:08.16 | NoRC | sorry, the screen flicks into off/blank when X Starts. |
| 18:08.19 | vIkSiT | or do i need to add the testing version server in my sources/apt lists? |
| 18:08.23 | DiPx | How do I check what version of php I am using |
| 18:08.28 | Eulex | NoRC, driver config problems? what gfx card and driver? |
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| 18:09.01 | NoRC | Eulex , not to sure on the driver i have a NVidia 6800GT 256mb, i selected "Generic VGA" in the x autoconfig |
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| 18:09.21 | Eulex | NoRC, do you wanna run in 640x480 16 colors? |
| 18:09.30 | NoRC | nup, 1280x760 |
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| 18:09.36 | NoRC | or 1024x768 |
| 18:09.51 | valdyn | NoRC: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and pick 'nv' |
| 18:10.00 | NoRC | i tried that too |
| 18:10.01 | Eulex | NoRC, generic vga does at most run in 640x480 16 colors |
| 18:10.11 | valdyn | NoRC: and ? |
| 18:10.12 | NoRC | picking nv |
| 18:10.16 | NoRC | and had same problem |
| 18:10.31 | rob_lt | vIkSiT: sarge doesn't get updates, only security fixes, so whatever version packages are at, that is where they stay. However, like you mentioned, there is testing, which most people were running before sarge went stable. |
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| 18:10.40 | drac | NoRC: Are you sure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 wrote configuration to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 18:10.49 | valdyn | NoRC: you read the logfile? |
| 18:11.16 | abrotman | !md5 x |
| 18:11.17 | dpkg | 9dd4e461268c8034f5c8564e155c67a6 |
| 18:11.19 | NoRC | yeh it did i opened it up |
| 18:11.20 | abrotman | bah .. whatever it is |
| 18:11.21 | GooglierBoy | I can't start firefox because Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" what do I do to fix this error? |
| 18:11.22 | NoRC | and had a look |
| 18:11.22 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 18:11.22 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 18:11.25 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: If you want security updates, run stable. If you want bugs and no security updates but more recent software, run testing. Stable is still pretty shiny and new though. |
| 18:11.25 | daxxar | !md5 abrotman |
| 18:11.26 | dpkg | bab87bee01a656405ec5ab3f0dc089cf |
| 18:11.27 | vIkSiT | rob_lt, right.. so would doing what i suggested above work for me? Thing is, I don't really need the upgrades frequently. my usage of FC3 was only the occasional apt-get, and i've been pretty happy with it. |
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| 18:11.31 | daxxar | :o |
| 18:11.32 | drac | !tell NoRC about x md5sum |
| 18:11.51 | rob_lt | vIkSiT: what PerfDave just said |
| 18:12.07 | NoRC | whats the main package for X? |
| 18:12.08 | valdyn | NoRC: its quite likely that nv doesnt support your card, however i'd still read the log, /msg dpkg nvidia for a way to get working drivers. |
| 18:12.26 | drac | NoRC: xserver-xfree86, but to install X you want x-window-system. |
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| 18:12.35 | vIkSiT | PerfDave, Ohkay. Would you say there is a disadvantage in runing sarge without a constant web connection? I mean i'm tird of source installs, but would dpkg solve dependency hell which I kind of faced with rpm? |
| 18:12.41 | vIkSiT | rob_lt, right. |
| 18:12.48 | vIkSiT | tired* |
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| 18:13.25 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: Sarge doesn't require source installs, and no dependency problems to speak of. |
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| 18:13.58 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: Just do an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" each time you connect to make sure you've got all the latest security patches. |
| 18:13.59 | vIkSiT | PerfDave, ok cool. So i can just get a .deb (pkg?) file and use dpkg --iinstall or something? |
| 18:14.07 | vIkSiT | for software? |
| 18:14.10 | vIkSiT | PerfDave, ah ok.. |
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| 18:14.22 | vIkSiT | can i still do source installs, btw? |
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| 18:14.25 | valdyn | !faq vIkSiT |
| 18:14.26 | dpkg | vIkSiT: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:14.31 | ninjagrammaton | vlkSiT i recommend synaptic |
| 18:14.37 | ninjagrammaton | that prog rules |
| 18:14.48 | Eulex | NoRC, you could try the vesa driver too -- and you could try some standard resolution instead pf 1280x760 (do you mean 1280x768?) |
| 18:14.49 | vIkSiT | ah, i've seen it.. heard a lot about it.. |
| 18:14.50 | J_P | anyone know if exist one official package for python2.4-gtk2 in sarge ? |
| 18:15.00 | stew | J_P: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:15.15 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: You don't need to get a .deb and use dpkg, you can just use apt-get or aptitude to install stuff and it'll grab it and resolve dependencies for you. |
| 18:15.21 | NoRC | is there any alternative to X-Window System? |
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| 18:15.32 | Eulex | vIkSiT, as PerfDave said |
| 18:15.38 | vIkSiT | PerfDave, won't that require a web connecton? |
| 18:15.44 | vIkSiT | or can apt be used on local files as well? |
| 18:15.55 | vIkSiT | (oh, maybe a local repo?) |
| 18:16.05 | ninjagrammaton | yes vlkSiT aptitude is the same thing as synaptic they all really are based on the apt system |
| 18:16.08 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: apt-get will install from the net, or your CDs or DVDs, or a local mirror, or whatever else you want. |
| 18:16.13 | rbochan | vIkSiT: clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 18:16.15 | valdyn | !info python2.3-gtk2 sarge |
| 18:16.17 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: You *can* do source installs. You can compile stuff from Debian source packages, or you can hand-compile stuff. If doing the latter, compile stuff into /usr/local to avoid conflicts with apt. |
| 18:16.20 | dpkg | python2.3-gtk2: (Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set), section python, is optional. Version: 2.6.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 625 kB, Installed size: 2128 kB |
| 18:16.30 | ninjagrammaton | synaptic is more of a graphical interface |
| 18:16.42 | vIkSiT | ah ok.. |
| 18:16.43 | mike-gw | vIkSiT: for local debs, use dpkg -i |
| 18:16.44 | abrotman | and use stow! |
| 18:16.47 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: If you get a pair of Sarge DVDs, you'll only need internet connectivity for security updates. |
| 18:16.57 | NoRC | Eulex : do i have to use X? or is there another desktop enviroment i can install? |
| 18:16.57 | vIkSiT | well, i've got dvd #1.. |
| 18:16.59 | mike-gw | vIkSiT: for a local pool, use apt-get |
| 18:17.00 | ninjagrammaton | yet aptitude is command line and works very well its just a matter of preference (wink) |
| 18:17.13 | vIkSiT | mike-gw, pool vs deb? |
| 18:17.34 | vIkSiT | pool would be a CD/DVD based repo, where as deb would be individual files? |
| 18:17.35 | Eulex | NoRC, X is not a "desktop environment" -- gnome, kde, xfce etc are desktop environments |
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| 18:17.48 | mike-gw | vIkSiT: like if you take from the net (http://localhost/debian for example) |
| 18:17.51 | NoRC | oh right e o hehehe |
| 18:17.58 | Eulex | vIkSiT, debs on both -- just in different locations |
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| 18:18.04 | mike-gw | vIkSiT: and deb if you have a .deb file |
| 18:18.05 | vIkSiT | Ah I see.. |
| 18:18.07 | Rynkan | hejsan töser |
| 18:18.11 | GooglierBoy | ls |
| 18:18.14 | NoRC | So what am i best doing apt-get install x.... ? or apt-get install kde? |
| 18:18.18 | vIkSiT | Things clearer :) |
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| 18:18.36 | Eulex | NoRC, both |
| 18:18.40 | mike-gw | both |
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| 18:18.49 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: You should have most packages you'll ever need if you only have DVD #1, and you can still install stuff off the 'net occasionally. |
| 18:18.49 | GooglierBoy | I can't start firefox because it's refused by X server... (":0.0"), how can I fix this? |
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| 18:19.02 | runa_ | hey :) how can I do to have php4 and 5 in the same machine? |
| 18:19.03 | GooglierBoy | I really need to get something from the internet |
| 18:19.06 | GooglierBoy | !test |
| 18:19.06 | dpkg | Yes, googlierboy, you're still online. |
| 18:19.14 | GooglierBoy | !:0.0 |
| 18:19.14 | PerfDave | GooglierBoy: Are you trying to run firefox as a different user than the user running X? |
| 18:19.15 | NoRC | Eulex , sorry to be painfull... which first? |
| 18:19.33 | Eulex | GooglierBoy, the first time you run firefox it needs to be run as root, iirc |
| 18:19.39 | Eulex | NoRC, doesn't matter |
| 18:19.58 | PerfDave | Eulex: It does? |
| 18:20.03 | pureone | :| |
| 18:20.11 | vIkSiT | so, in summation : apt-get for web,local repos, locally served mirror/pool of files. dpkg for local .deb files on an individual basis. any source installs in /usr/local/ to avoid conflicts. synaptic for graphical management. |
| 18:20.14 | NoRC | So, x = Background Process and KDE = Front end interface? |
| 18:20.24 | stort | NoRC: apt-get install kde will install x automatically |
| 18:20.27 | PerfDave | vIkSiT: Yep. |
| 18:20.33 | vIkSiT | aptitude is another kind/clone of synaptic? |
| 18:20.40 | mike-gw | stort: I'm not sur! |
| 18:20.43 | mike-gw | +e |
| 18:20.44 | vIkSiT | or is it functionally different? |
| 18:20.45 | Eulex | PerfDave, iirc it had a quirk like that |
| 18:20.59 | PerfDave | apt-get is a command-line program. aptitude is command-line and ncurses. IIRC synaptic is GUI-based, as is kpackage. |
| 18:21.13 | vIkSiT | aah |
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| 18:21.20 | Eulex | synaptic uses apt-get |
| 18:21.25 | stort | mike-gw: kde depends on x, so it has to be installed before (so it is a dependency) |
| 18:21.25 | vIkSiT | right.. |
| 18:21.28 | Eulex | apt-get and aptitude are different |
| 18:21.30 | PerfDave | stort: I don't think installing KDE does install X automatically, since you don't need X to use KDE |
| 18:21.42 | vIkSiT | Eulex, aptitude doesnt use apt=get? |
| 18:21.46 | vIkSiT | apt-get* |
| 18:21.50 | GooglierBoy | PerfDave, I only have one user... I installed firefox in this user and now I'm trying to run firefox from the same user |
| 18:21.52 | Eulex | vIkSiT, nope |
| 18:21.57 | rbochan | PerfDave: I believe it's "suggested" |
| 18:21.59 | vIkSiT | ok |
| 18:22.06 | mike-gw | stort: x isn't in my depends for kde .. |
| 18:22.08 | PerfDave | GooglierBoy: How did you start X? |
| 18:22.16 | GooglierBoy | Eulex, I don't get it... I thought you can't run X stuff as root |
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| 18:22.35 | GooglierBoy | PerfDave, it just starts by itself after login... I'm assuming it's a xdm thing |
| 18:22.39 | vIkSiT | GooglierBoy, yeah , i had that problem. for another user, you'd have to link to the original firefox.bin through a link.. and sudo i |
| 18:22.39 | Eulex | GooglierBoy, sure you can -- but it's not recommended |
| 18:22.40 | GooglierBoy | session thing |
| 18:22.43 | vIkSiT | it* |
| 18:22.45 | PerfDave | GooglierBoy: Are you using xdm then? |
| 18:22.55 | GooglierBoy | yes |
| 18:23.05 | NoRC | lol |
| 18:23.06 | rob_lt | mike-gw: apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 18:23.08 | GooglierBoy | I only installed XwindowSystem and fluxbox |
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| 18:23.09 | NoRC | now im confused |
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| 18:23.37 | Eulex | GooglierBoy, ooo, I've heard about that problem before |
| 18:23.45 | Eulex | GooglierBoy, what was the exact error? |
| 18:23.49 | stew | NoRC: there is currently no good alternative to xfree86 if that was your original question |
| 18:24.05 | GooglierBoy | I had this problem before... but it mysteriously worked after a few times.... but this is a totally different machine.... so... |
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| 18:24.22 | stew | NoRC: gnome / kde / fluxbox / xfce are all environments that run on top of xfree86 and they are all decent alternatives and there are others |
| 18:24.26 | GooglierBoy | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" |
| 18:24.40 | mike-gw | rob_lt: yes |
| 18:24.44 | NoRC | stew thanks for clearing that up :) |
| 18:24.47 | vIkSiT | NoRC, whats the confusion anyway? X is the graphical server which runs independent of a window manager. Its what deals with the interaction of the graphical hardware . WMs are programs which take advantaege of this server so as not to have to provide support fo rdifferent kinds of hardware themselves.. |
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| 18:24.56 | Ick | GooglierBoy: hmm, that reminds me of mit-magic-cookie |
| 18:24.58 | GooglierBoy | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client.... |
| 18:25.00 | GooglierBoy | I don't get it |
| 18:25.00 | stew | GooglierBoy: are you trying to run firefox as root? |
| 18:25.06 | GooglierBoy | stew, no. |
| 18:25.11 | Ick | !dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 18:25.11 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is probably 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 18:25.21 | GooglierBoy | stew, I just want it to run like it should gosh darn it haha |
| 18:25.22 | vIkSiT | wow |
| 18:25.28 | phaedrus44 | hi hi |
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| 18:25.53 | stort | mike-gw: it depends on X - not directly, though - some of the components kde package depends on depend on X |
| 18:25.58 | PerfDave | GooglierBoy: How are you trying to launch Firefox anyway? |
| 18:26.00 | phaedrus44 | it looks like i have prismnic wireless driver installed...how do i make it work with my usb network card? |
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| 18:26.07 | GooglierBoy | wait wait wait.... I think I export PATH=~/bin:${PATH} in the bash_profile... |
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| 18:26.17 | GooglierBoy | PerfDave, both from terminal and from the menu |
| 18:26.50 | Eulex | GooglierBoy, xhost +? |
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| 18:26.59 | GooglierBoy | ? |
| 18:27.00 | stew | Eulex: NO NEVER |
| 18:27.27 | spiderworm | hi all, how do i figure out which release of debian a computer's running? |
| 18:27.38 | GooglierBoy | uname -a |
| 18:27.50 | PeterB | spiderworm: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:27.50 | stew | spiderworm: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:27.52 | Eulex | stew, temporarily to test -- if it runs, it shouldn't be needed the second time |
| 18:27.52 | philips | Anyone know of a good USB 802.11b adaptor? I just got my Linksys WUSB11 from NewEgg and I got a v4 which doesn't work with NDIS or any other driver. |
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| 18:28.29 | GooglierBoy | any other hints on this browser start up problem? |
| 18:28.29 | stew | Eulex: but why use xhost instead of XAUTHORITY/ |
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| 18:28.40 | spiderworm | 3.0? is that woody or potato? |
| 18:28.47 | stew | spiderworm: woody |
| 18:28.49 | mike-gw | woody |
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| 18:29.26 | Eulex | stew, I've seen it suggested to fix this problem several times |
| 18:29.37 | msingh | hmm. debian is wicked |
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| 18:29.59 | stew | Eulex: it's a bad suggestion, it allows many evil things to happen |
| 18:30.00 | rob_lt | !wicked |
| 18:30.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, wicked is gay |
| 18:30.09 | stew | dpkg: forget wicked |
| 18:30.09 | dpkg | stew: i forgot wicked |
| 18:30.15 | rob_lt | ha |
| 18:30.33 | GooglierBoy | can someone help me on getting firefox to run? |
| 18:30.47 | ninjagrammaton | whats the problem GooglierBoy? |
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| 18:31.12 | stew | GooglierBoy: try this, su to root ; then run XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority firefox |
| 18:31.18 | stew | GooglierBoy: where user is the user that started x |
| 18:31.20 | GooglierBoy | it's keep on saying connection to ":0.0" is refused by server... and XDM authorization key matches an existing client |
| 18:31.23 | rob_lt | GooglierBoy: try adding a new user, and logging in with the new user, see if the problem persists. I've never encountered this issue, or had to run firefox as root first, on the large number of installs I have done lately. |
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| 18:31.38 | stew | GooglierBoy: if that works, try the same as user |
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| 18:32.41 | NoRC | ok well it seems to have completed its reinstall |
| 18:32.44 | NoRC | hopefully it works this time |
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| 18:32.52 | GooglierBoy | okay. NOTHING WORKS! |
| 18:33.21 | abrotman | I KNOW! |
| 18:33.24 | abrotman | that sucks! |
| 18:33.32 | GooglierBoy | haha |
| 18:33.38 | NoRC | urgh still wont run |
| 18:33.41 | NoRC | dam nag it |
| 18:33.43 | stew | GooglierBoy: do you have an ~/.Xauthority file? |
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| 18:33.46 | GooglierBoy | abrotman, got any idea on how to help me with this thing? |
| 18:33.55 | GooglierBoy | stew I do have that file |
| 18:33.57 | abrotman | nope .. but if you can lart abit .. i'd be happy :) |
| 18:34.04 | mihai_ | is there an official guide to installing nvidia drivers ? |
| 18:34.06 | rbochan | heh |
| 18:34.15 | stew | mihai_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 18:34.16 | abrotman | !tell mihai_ about nvidia one liner |
| 18:34.17 | NoRC | might try a reboot |
| 18:34.18 | nelson | Is there any reason why /etc/tripwire/twpol.txt includes /proc in Critical devices? |
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| 18:34.42 | J_P | stew: I not found about python2.4-gtk2 :-( |
| 18:34.45 | Eulex | GooglierBoy, tried running it as root yet? |
| 18:34.53 | GooglierBoy | Eulex, I did |
| 18:35.03 | tsohg | googlierboy: have you tried opening a terminal window, cd/to/whatever/dir/firefox is in the do a ./firefox or ./firefox.sh I cant remember which |
| 18:35.19 | nelson | cuz lemme tell you, I'm really tired of getting a humongo tripwire report every day ... |
| 18:35.23 | stew | J_P: if its not on pdo it doens't exist yet |
| 18:35.25 | nelson | telling me that my /proc has changed. |
| 18:35.38 | stew | J_P: check wnpp for an itp or the debian-python mailing list archives |
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| 18:35.50 | nelson | Of course it's changed! I run programs on my server! |
| 18:35.52 | J_P | ok |
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| 18:36.09 | ninjagrammaton | what is the typical directory to find shared files between a local network in Sarge? Also, HOORAY FOR STABLE!!! |
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| 18:36.20 | esk | GooglierBoy: I think sometimes firefox chokes when the monstrous mozilla is also installed |
| 18:36.23 | UnNamed | what is needed for the verification of debs when using apt-get or aptitude? (i get warning about debs being untrusted) |
| 18:36.24 | greycat | ninjagrammaton: wherever your network admin put them |
| 18:36.56 | GooglierBoy | esk I have nothing installed except for fluxbox, xchat and gkrellm |
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| 18:37.01 | rbochan | UnNamed: there's a tutorial on debian-administration.org |
| 18:37.04 | jeffro | hey |
| 18:37.11 | jeffro | i succesfully mounted it |
| 18:37.19 | jeffro | but it cant read the contents |
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| 18:37.32 | UnNamed | rbochan: (yay, more hostnames) thanks |
| 18:37.38 | rbochan | heh |
| 18:37.47 | pumpitup | boo |
| 18:38.14 | jeffro | can someone help me |
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| 18:38.28 | greycat | !fix jeffro |
| 18:38.32 | jeffro | i mounted my partition with windows into /windows |
| 18:38.37 | launch | Hi where is the win32 app supported list for Xwine please |
| 18:38.45 | jeffro | but it cant read it |
| 18:38.48 | jeffro | its ntfs |
| 18:38.53 | greycat | !user accessible vfat |
| 18:38.53 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field |
| 18:38.54 | rbochan | launch: google for "frank's corner" |
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| 18:39.05 | pumpitup | jeffro: does your kernel support ntfs filesystem |
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| 18:39.08 | NoRC | urgh... still no go |
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| 18:39.16 | jeffro | i think it does |
| 18:39.17 | greycat | !tell jeffro about enter |
| 18:39.26 | launch | rbochan its a joke |
| 18:39.26 | launch | ? |
| 18:39.29 | jeffro | i wont use enter too much sorry |
| 18:39.42 | NoRC | i think im gunna just install knoppix |
| 18:39.43 | greycat | jeffro: read what dpkg wrote above, in the channel. |
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| 18:39.59 | jeffro | I allready did greycat! |
| 18:40.08 | drac | NoRC: Install RescueCD, with no good support even on IRC ? Bad idea. |
| 18:40.11 | jeffro | I read it before you know. |
| 18:40.36 | pumpitup | jeffro: join flood and paste ur fstab |
| 18:40.50 | jeffro | sorry but what was that/ |
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| 18:40.57 | GooglierBoy | okay, I can't get firefox to work. it still gives me that "XDM authorization key matches with existing client" |
| 18:41.02 | jeffro | i forgot. |
| 18:41.02 | simonrvn | the fabled city of ur |
| 18:41.04 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 18:41.12 | rob_lt | Ouch... did you guys read about this kid? He's going to get his dad canned: http://www.360hacker.net/articles/07-18-2005/first-xbox-360-seen-in-the-wild/ |
| 18:41.16 | ecobit | was the "bug" with the first offical sarge Cd that it left out security.debian.org in sources.list? |
| 18:41.27 | jeffro | where's fstab |
| 18:41.28 | PerfDave | ecobit: Yes |
| 18:41.29 | krokas_ | When i log to Gnome --- 1 time of 2 - it 'freezes' and thus i need to reboot; And another- when a few apps are running and i run ' Computer' it waits for minutes before the windows appears. Anyone understand this? |
| 18:41.31 | greycat | ecobit: I think it used testing/updates instead of stable/updates |
| 18:41.40 | greycat | ecobit: something like that, in any case |
| 18:41.42 | jeffro | !tell jeffro about fstab |
| 18:41.44 | NoRC | ok drac, what do you suggest i do? |
| 18:41.51 | NoRC | this debian install has more errors than windows on boot up |
| 18:41.52 | ecobit | no factoid? |
| 18:42.18 | krokas_ | lo |
| 18:42.20 | ecobit | maybe i will find on in bts? |
| 18:42.30 | greycat | ecobit: I'd check d-d-a archives |
| 18:42.33 | spart8 | I dont have a debian-sys-maint user for mysql so the logrotate script fails. Anyone know how i can go about fixing this (manually creating the user account? or is there a way to re-install/configure without loosing anything that would create the user account?) |
| 18:42.39 | jeffro | where is fstab? |
| 18:42.44 | greycat | jeffro: man fstab |
| 18:42.47 | simonrvn | yeh, that's where it'll be, in d-d-a |
| 18:43.26 | UnNamed | thanks, later |
| 18:43.27 | esk | GooglierBoy: you haven't been deleting files, have you? |
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| 18:43.41 | simonrvn | was an embarrassed-sounding email as i recall |
| 18:43.46 | jeffro | this is strange |
| 18:43.50 | jeffro | . |
| 18:44.01 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 18:44.07 | spart8 | n/m dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server worked |
| 18:44.16 | jeffro | But when i used Kanotix hd install i could see my hard drive with windows on it |
| 18:44.26 | GooglierBoy | esk, no, I don't think so |
| 18:44.32 | jeffro | I was told to mount it into a directory, so i did. |
| 18:44.42 | GooglierBoy | esk, well, I think I deleted some deborphan |
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| 18:45.07 | jeffro | I used: mount -ntfs -f /dev/hdc1 /windows |
| 18:45.08 | GooglierBoy | esk, is that a problem? |
| 18:45.09 | ecobit | cool. i found it at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00003.html |
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| 18:45.18 | jeffro | After that it mounted |
| 18:45.25 | jeffro | but i cant acces it. |
| 18:45.49 | pumpitup | jeffro : what do you mean u cant access it what error do you get |
| 18:45.51 | spiorf | highvoltage, woh can i install with apt a package and every suggested and recommended package? |
| 18:45.52 | jeffro | At least Konqueror cant acces it. |
| 18:46.12 | jeffro | Could not enter folder /window |
| 18:46.13 | jeffro | Could not enter folder /windows |
| 18:46.14 | highvoltage | spiorf: come again? |
| 18:46.16 | greycat | jeffro: fucking hell. get to a COMMAND LINE and type "ls -ld /mydirectory" |
| 18:46.23 | greycat | jeffro: ls -ld /windows |
| 18:46.26 | greycat | show us the output. |
| 18:46.27 | jeffro | im at a commandline |
| 18:46.28 | esk | GooglierBoy: only if there is a missing dependency |
| 18:46.31 | pumpitup | jeffro : konqueror .....ewww |
| 18:46.32 | spiorf | highvoltage, sorry, autocomplete worked too much |
| 18:46.41 | jeffro | is there a alternative |
| 18:46.44 | jeffro | Except firefox |
| 18:47.11 | krokas_ | When i log to Gnome --- 1 time of 2 - it 'freezes' and thus i need to reboot; And another- when a few apps are running and i run ' Computer' it waits for minutes before the window appears. Anyone understand this? |
| 18:47.19 | krokas_ | nope? |
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| 18:47.29 | highvoltage | jeffro: galeon, epiphany, links, lynx, dillo, mozilla-suite. |
| 18:47.31 | jeffro | jeffro@Compaq:~$ su |
| 18:47.31 | jeffro | Password: |
| 18:47.31 | jeffro | Compaq:/home/jeffro# ls -ld /windows |
| 18:47.31 | jeffro | dr-x------ 1 root root 12288 2005-07-18 13:31 /windows |
| 18:47.31 | jeffro | Compaq:/home/jeffro# |
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| 18:47.38 | rbochan | sigh |
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| 18:47.42 | pumpitup | dear god... |
| 18:47.48 | mngrif | krokas_: try running top in the terminal to see if something gnome starts is locking up |
| 18:47.58 | pumpitup | !tell jeffro about topic |
| 18:48.00 | greycat | you didn't have to paste the "su" bits. |
| 18:48.06 | greycat | just the one line of output. |
| 18:48.21 | spiorf | the question was : how can i install with apt a package and every suggested and recommended package? |
| 18:48.24 | jeffro | ok |
| 18:48.28 | drac | jeffro: How did you mount it ? |
| 18:48.46 | esk | spiorf: use dselect |
| 18:48.53 | helix | umm, so if my computer suddenly freezes when trying to boot some init scripts, what the fuck is wrong with it? |
| 18:48.57 | jeffro | I mounted it under root (su) then typed mount -f -ntfs /dev/hdc1 /windows |
| 18:49.04 | greycat | helix: depends on what the init scripts do |
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| 18:49.08 | jeffro | and it mounted |
| 18:49.15 | spiderworm | how do i list the available versions of a package with apt-cache? |
| 18:49.16 | greycat | "-ntfs"?? |
| 18:49.18 | launch | linux got a ps2 emulator? |
| 18:49.24 | PerfDave | spiderworm: Use dselect or aptitude |
| 18:49.24 | drac | jeffro: mount -o umask=0222 -t ntfs /dev/something /somewhere if you want read access for everyone. |
| 18:49.28 | greycat | spiderworm: apt-cache show |
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| 18:49.38 | PerfDave | spiderworm: apt-show-versions or apt-cache policy |
| 18:49.38 | stew | helix: freezes at the same spot every time? |
| 18:49.39 | drac | jeffro: or was that 022, or 0, anyway.. change umask. |
| 18:49.42 | helix | greycat: it appears to be totally random. like, it doesn't want to deal with cron, ssh, atd, xfs. I've removed a boatload of them |
| 18:49.51 | PerfDave | spiorf: Use dselect or aptitude |
| 18:49.54 | jeffro | what u mask e? |
| 18:49.54 | stew | helix: memtest86? |
| 18:49.56 | helix | it began with exim4, continued on to a bunch of others; it's mostly booted now |
| 18:50.01 | greycat | helix: cron and ssh don't do anything special. if it's freezing during them, I'd suspect a fried motherboard. |
| 18:50.09 | PerfDave | helix: Sounds like hardware failure to me. |
| 18:50.12 | helix | wtf this computer is only a few years old |
| 18:50.13 | pumpitup | people just dont read |
| 18:50.29 | helix | er |
| 18:50.32 | helix | s/years/months/ |
| 18:50.33 | greycat | helix: what CPU and mobo? |
| 18:50.34 | spiorf | ok thanks |
| 18:50.43 | greycat | oh, months? hmm, that's too recent to be the capacitor fuckup. |
| 18:50.44 | mngrif | helix: they don't make 'em like they used to |
| 18:50.51 | jeffro | hey it worked |
| 18:50.59 | jeffro | how to enter it in the boot sequence |
| 18:51.05 | greycat | !tell jeffro about user accessible vfat |
| 18:51.28 | helix | mngrif: apparently not... |
| 18:51.29 | jeffro | where is fstab... |
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| 18:51.33 | greycat | jeffro: man fstab |
| 18:51.35 | pumpitup | jeffro : why would you mount it with the -f option ? |
| 18:51.36 | greycat | didn't we already do this> |
| 18:51.42 | greycat | pumpitup: because he's stupid? |
| 18:51.42 | jeffro | to force it |
| 18:51.47 | jeffro | no |
| 18:51.49 | pumpitup | it doesnt force |
| 18:51.53 | pumpitup | it FAKES |
| 18:52.00 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.00 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.06 | jeffro | THATS THE MANUAL |
| 18:52.10 | greycat | he gave us the wrong command. |
| 18:52.21 | pumpitup | sigh |
| 18:52.26 | greycat | gods only know why... but clearly that is NOT what he used to mount the file system. |
| 18:52.29 | abrotman | pump up the jam |
| 18:52.31 | drac | jeffro: You tricked us!? oww.. |
| 18:52.44 | jeffro | what are yo talking about |
| 18:52.46 | pumpitup | abrotman : hell yeah :) |
| 18:52.46 | greycat | drac: tricked himself, probably. |
| 18:52.55 | mngrif | helix: oh I know they don't.. i recently replaced a customer's PSU in a gateway2k after they've had it for 2 months... then again, he was a "twelve-o-clock flasher" type user and didn't know what a warrenty was :P |
| 18:53.01 | greycat | 14:45 jeffro> I used: mount -ntfs -f /dev/hdc1 /windows |
| 18:53.05 | greycat | that's what we're talking about. |
| 18:53.08 | greycat | that command doesn't work. |
| 18:53.10 | pumpitup | lol |
| 18:53.13 | jeffro | i did before |
| 18:53.16 | pumpitup | !tell pumpitup about lol |
| 18:53.20 | jeffro | but that didnt work |
| 18:53.41 | mngrif | -ntfs is a flag for mount? the horror! |
| 18:53.46 | jeffro | but plz where is the file fstab located |
| 18:53.50 | greycat | 14:49 greycat> "-ntfs"?? |
| 18:53.52 | jeffro | i want to edit it |
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| 18:53.56 | FieldySnuts | ~lart applications which ignore $http_proxy |
| 18:53.56 | idnar | pumpitup: rather do /msg dpkg pumpitup |
| 18:53.57 | pumpitup | jeffro : /etc/fstab |
| 18:53.59 | greycat | jeffro: READ THE FUCKING MAN PAGE |
| 18:54.01 | greycat | pumpitup: ARGH! |
| 18:54.06 | jeffro | finally thanks |
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| 18:54.11 | greycat | jeffro: idiot. |
| 18:54.13 | jeffro | it isnt in the manual |
| 18:54.13 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 18:54.25 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.25 | jeffro | i know how it works |
| 18:54.27 | greycat | FILES |
| 18:54.27 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.41 | jeffro | omg |
| 18:54.53 | jeffro | i thaught i had to use the mouse |
| 18:54.58 | pumpitup | people really cant read |
| 18:55.01 | jeffro | sorry, i used a gnome terminal |
| 18:55.06 | asg | !be manpage barbie |
| 18:55.07 | dpkg | *roff is HARD! Let's use texinfo! |
| 18:55.13 | idnar | !yhbt |
| 18:55.13 | dpkg | i heard yhbt is You Have Been Trolled |
| 18:55.13 | jeffro | i can read i didnt know i could scroll |
| 18:55.23 | pumpitup | :| |
| 18:55.27 | spiderworm | ok all im having the problem discussed here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2002/02/msg00210.html ... i want to upgrade apache-ssl so that i'm no longer having this problem, but the only version available to install is 1.3.33-6, which if i install will remove perlmagick, which we depend on heavily here |
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| 18:56.00 | spiderworm | do you all think i could do the upgrade and the reinstall perlmagick, and it will work? |
| 18:56.08 | ecobit | anyone know of a sparc rescue cd that has rsync on it? |
| 18:56.14 | krokas_ | mngrif: I don't see anything strange = |
| 18:56.18 | jeffro | sorry but how to start kwrite under root..... |
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| 18:56.25 | asg | jeffro: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 18:56.27 | jeffro | sudo kwrite doesnt work |
| 18:56.56 | pumpitup | jeffro: kwrite.....EWWW |
| 18:57.02 | jeffro | ...t |
| 18:57.08 | Schiz0 | What's 'su -' do? |
| 18:57.13 | jeffro | im not gonna start openoffice for that |
| 18:57.15 | stew | Schiz0: man su |
| 18:57.22 | jeffro | i mean without a terminalk |
| 18:57.39 | pumpitup | jeffro: oh god NANO VIM something |
| 18:57.44 | greycat | nano -w, please. |
| 18:57.45 | stew | kwrite is fine |
| 18:58.00 | pumpitup | stew : he only wants to edit fstab.... |
| 18:58.00 | greycat | otherwise your lines get split for no reason |
| 18:58.01 | asg | stew: my first editor? |
| 18:58.07 | stew | sure |
| 18:58.36 | greycat | first text editor I ever used on anything vaguelike resembling Unix was some micro emacs clone |
| 18:58.39 | Schiz0 | So..whats the difference between making it a login shell via su -, and not via just su? |
| 18:58.52 | greycat | Schiz0: normal su doesn't make it a login shell. |
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| 18:59.13 | Schiz0 | yeah..so what does it make it? and how is it different? |
| 18:59.19 | greycat | Schiz0: try it and see. |
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| 18:59.25 | xiglet | to add a domain in bind... Is the "official" way to create a db.domain and type data manually, or is there a utility in debian that makes this more smooth? |
| 18:59.27 | greycat | (or read the manual) |
| 18:59.37 | jeffro | running the command su does nothing |
| 18:59.39 | greycat | xiglet: normally I copy an existing one and edit it |
| 18:59.46 | jeffro | without terminal |
| 18:59.51 | tzafrir_home | vim provides handy syntax hilighting, to show immedietly of broken syntax of fstab |
| 19:00.04 | PerfDave | jeffro: It does something, just nothing visible to you :p |
| 19:00.11 | xiglet | greycat: tnx, as i thought |
| 19:01.08 | covux | does anyone got smartpost with debian running and could me point to a how to? |
| 19:01.26 | pzn | highvoltage, moo! nice! |
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| 19:02.17 | jeffro | sorry , im stupid but i want to edit fstab in root in the easiest way, just leave a command plz |
| 19:02.35 | pumpitup | jeffro: sigh sudo nano -w /etc/fstab |
| 19:02.55 | jeffro | does nothing |
| 19:03.05 | jeffro | must i do it in gnome? |
| 19:03.12 | pumpitup | jeffro: da HELL |
| 19:03.20 | pumpitup | jeffro : open a god damn terminal |
| 19:03.38 | jeffro | jeffro is not in the sudoers file. |
| 19:03.48 | greycat | now you just *know* he won't have sudo installed or configured. |
| 19:03.57 | pumpitup | jeffro : oh god |
| 19:04.02 | pumpitup | jeffro : visudo |
| 19:04.03 | stew | there was zero chance of that |
| 19:04.15 | jeffro | command not found |
| 19:04.20 | greycat | !info sudo sarge |
| 19:04.23 | jeffro | am i stupid..... |
| 19:04.24 | pumpitup | jeffro : AS ROOT |
| 19:04.24 | jeffro | yes |
| 19:04.26 | dpkg | sudo: (Provide limited super user privileges to specific users), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.8p7-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 155 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 19:04.32 | greycat | "optional" |
| 19:04.56 | pumpitup | this is getting silly |
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| 19:05.03 | stew | pumpitup: ignore him then |
| 19:05.07 | greycat | it's far more amusing to see only half the conversation |
| 19:05.12 | jeffro | finally i can edit it |
| 19:05.35 | pumpitup | greycat you see only my part of the convo that must be fun lol |
| 19:05.45 | greycat | 15:04 pumpitup> jeffro : AS ROOT |
| 19:05.47 | greycat | classic. |
| 19:05.48 | jeffro | i did |
| 19:05.51 | pumpitup | ha ha |
| 19:06.01 | jeffro | now last question |
| 19:06.07 | stew | hah |
| 19:06.07 | pumpitup | here ti comes |
| 19:06.20 | jeffro | what options must i fill in for the mount |
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| 19:06.39 | stew | someting tells me he's already gotten then answer to that one more than once |
| 19:06.47 | pumpitup | just read the fucking manual pages |
| 19:06.54 | jeffro | ....... |
| 19:07.12 | pumpitup | jeffro : reading DOES help |
| 19:07.25 | jeffro | ok if i type defaults its ok? : /dev/hdc1 /windows ntfs |
| 19:07.28 | greycat | wue: do not do that. |
| 19:07.30 | abrotman | wue: you bastard! |
| 19:07.35 | pumpitup | wue : argggg |
| 19:07.49 | robin_sz | wue: death will follow shortly |
| 19:07.50 | wue | god everybody use irssi |
| 19:07.52 | wue | nice choice |
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| 19:08.00 | pumpitup | i dont :) |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | not everyone |
| 19:08.09 | wue | almost |
| 19:08.14 | robin_sz | almost no one |
| 19:08.15 | Oliver | i use "poo" |
| 19:08.24 | jeffro | i will just try everything till my pc explodes...... sigh |
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| 19:08.28 | wue | oliver this is your irc client? |
| 19:08.29 | wue | lol |
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| 19:08.46 | fpitt | hi |
| 19:08.51 | wue | -bvs- VERSION irssi v0.8.9 - running on NetBSD i386 |
| 19:08.53 | wue | lol |
| 19:09.12 | jeffro | !tell jeffro about pass |
| 19:09.19 | pumpitup | jeffro : go ahead idiot...but stay away from the man pages theyre so scary |
| 19:09.21 | abrotman | wue: stop |
| 19:09.25 | jeffro | no |
| 19:09.25 | wue | -Morti- VERSION irssi v0.8.9 - running on SunOS sun4u |
| 19:09.26 | wue | kill him |
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| 19:09.29 | jeffro | they're BIG |
| 19:09.38 | abrotman | god .. someone kill him |
| 19:09.44 | plb | hrm how do you setup autoget with irssi, previous distro I just /set dcc_autoget on debian i get unknown setting |
| 19:09.48 | jeffro | ok im reading |
| 19:09.52 | greycat | wue: what you're doing is NOT acceptable here. this is the last warning. |
| 19:10.00 | wue | sorry |
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| 19:11.04 | jeffro | ok something manual doesnt explain: does my windows partition needs to be dumped? |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | wue: do you have a debian problem .. or can you offer debian help ? |
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| 19:11.29 | abrotman | based on your history . i'd say no .. but i'm wondering |
| 19:11.41 | jeffro | il do 0 |
| 19:11.55 | krokas_ | How to change the size of memory used by XFree (in the installation we tell this...) ? |
| 19:11.58 | abrotman | jeffro: your computer will be fine .. just give it a beer and a hug |
| 19:12.03 | greycat | abrotman: he's welcome to stay and idle as long as he wants... |
| 19:12.10 | abrotman | right |
| 19:12.11 | wue | abrotman i take some marijuana. |
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| 19:12.15 | abrotman | greycat: see |
| 19:12.22 | pumpitup | lam |
| 19:12.22 | greycat | krokas_: it asked for how much memory your VIDEO CARD has. |
| 19:12.31 | greycat | krokas_: that's got nothing to do with how much RAM the X server uses |
| 19:12.34 | abrotman | greycat: i've only seen him ping the channel and ask about wine(as launch) |
| 19:12.41 | jeffro | i just want to be able to read my harddisk and dont be needing typing mount everytime......... |
| 19:12.49 | krokas_ | Well, i told it 32, but i think it is less |
| 19:12.54 | abrotman | jeffro: you read man mount and man fstab ? |
| 19:12.54 | greycat | !drxx krokas_ |
| 19:12.55 | dpkg | krokas_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
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| 19:13.00 | jeffro | YES |
| 19:13.08 | abrotman | so why doesn't it work? |
| 19:13.13 | pumpitup | ouch :P |
| 19:13.13 | krokas_ | greycat ???? = |
| 19:13.13 | jeffro | it does |
| 19:13.21 | jeffro | but i want it in my fstab im doing it no |
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| 19:13.26 | mihai_ | i need an X program for browsing and acessing netbios shares (windows) that works good |
| 19:13.29 | abrotman | jeffro: it's a problem because it works ? |
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| 19:13.32 | jeffro | now |
| 19:13.32 | shingouz | jeffro: want a hint? |
| 19:13.36 | jeffro | it works |
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| 19:13.45 | jeffro | but i have to type when i start kde everytime |
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| 19:13.55 | jeffro | open a terminal and type mount bla bla bla bla bla |
| 19:13.58 | Eulex | jeffro, follow the pattern in your current fstab when adding an entry to it, and it'll work |
| 19:14.01 | pumpitup | thats where fstab comes in handy :) |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | jeffro: it's not in your fstab ? |
| 19:14.05 | stew | jeffro: put the mount options you need into the fstab |
| 19:14.12 | jeffro | everno |
| 19:14.14 | jeffro | it inst |
| 19:14.25 | jeffro | at least my winxp partition isnt |
| 19:14.39 | jeffro | <options> <dump> <pass> i did dump 0 |
| 19:14.41 | shingouz | lemme guess, it is ntfs |
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| 19:14.51 | jeffro | yup |
| 19:15.08 | stew | jeffro: and whats the problem? |
| 19:15.16 | Eulex | !blame ntfs |
| 19:15.22 | junaidy | ro when mounting ntfs |
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| 19:15.28 | jeffro | i dont know what to fill in for options and pass |
| 19:15.31 | jeffro | in my fs tab file |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | !ntfsrw |
| 19:15.35 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
| 19:15.43 | stew | jeffro: the options are the options that you put on the mount line |
| 19:15.49 | mihai_ | /dev/hdb5 /mnt/f ntfs defaults,umask=022 0 0 |
| 19:15.54 | mihai_ | something like that |
| 19:15.56 | jeffro | is putting default in there fin? |
| 19:15.58 | jeffro | oh ok |
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| 19:16.23 | shingouz | jeffro: when you are finished with it, remember to hand eht spoon back to mihai_ |
| 19:16.23 | jeffro | tnx |
| 19:16.35 | jeffro | im goin |
| 19:16.40 | pumpitup | longest time i ever saw for someone to mount a win partition |
| 19:16.44 | drac | Could someone hold my hand? |
| 19:16.48 | drac | :-)) |
| 19:16.50 | jeffro | btw mihai its /dev/hdc1 |
| 19:16.52 | jeffro | :D |
| 19:16.58 | mihai_ | i have plenty of spoons no thanks keep it |
| 19:17.01 | jeffro | i did it |
| 19:17.04 | pumpitup | jeffro : how the fuck would he know that |
| 19:17.08 | jeffro | but without fstab... |
| 19:17.15 | Eulex | jeffro, different for everyone what device it is... |
| 19:17.19 | shingouz | !camelsmite jeffro |
| 19:17.29 | abrotman | mine is /dev/hdr3 |
| 19:17.36 | shingouz | r? |
| 19:17.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite shingouz |
| 19:17.37 | ravenbird | shingouz: why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell mate |
| 19:17.44 | abrotman | shingouz: laugh .. it's funny |
| 19:17.45 | Eulex | mine is /dev/sda2 |
| 19:17.50 | msingh | where should i find the documentation for a program i install. i dont mean man, i mean installation instructions for say an emacs mode |
| 19:17.57 | FieldySnuts | and I thought I was bad at hdf |
| 19:18.00 | shingouz | hehe... apparently i am home |
| 19:18.03 | PerfDave | msingh: /usr/share/doc/$package |
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| 19:18.23 | msingh | ok cheers perf |
| 19:18.27 | krokas_ | thank you dpkg |
| 19:18.29 | tdonahue | hi all |
| 19:18.41 | Eulex | abrotman, you must have lots of partitions |
| 19:18.50 | abrotman | noone else thought it was funny |
| 19:18.52 | abrotman | jeez |
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| 19:19.17 | Eulex | heh |
| 19:19.24 | abrotman | i guess i could have an 'r' partition .. but i'd feel like such a loser after trying to find a place for 19 partitions |
| 19:19.33 | shingouz | abrotman: maybe we all have had our funnybone surgically removed? |
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| 19:19.42 | abrotman | damn that .us humor |
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| 19:20.18 | Ford-Prefect | huge problem! I updated my system for the first time in about 3 mnths... and now the keyboard is somewhat messed up in terminals |
| 19:20.31 | abrotman | Ford-Prefect: wait .. sid ? |
| 19:20.32 | stew | somewhat? |
| 19:20.32 | tdonahue | is it possible to have grub boot to a specific run level? |
| 19:20.36 | Ford-Prefect | it seems as if it is *thinks* slow... and the keyboard is not that used |
| 19:20.38 | abrotman | #grub ? |
| 19:20.42 | Ford-Prefect | abrotman, yes |
| 19:20.50 | abrotman | figures |
| 19:20.54 | shingouz | abrotman: all yours :) |
| 19:21.03 | pumpitup | Ford-Prefect : wrong keymap? |
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| 19:21.22 | mikeX | hello, it seems that usb sticks don't work for me on debian sarge (with 2.6.11) kernel. In order for a usb mass storage device to work I have to first turn it on and then plug it in, otherwise the kernel fails to read the partition table correctly. Usb sticks don't have a turn on switch however :( |
| 19:21.23 | Eulex | Ford-Prefect, define "somewhat messed up" |
| 19:21.59 | pumpitup | mikeX: lsusb doesnt show anything when inserted? |
| 19:21.59 | resiak | mikeX: Does it work with a stock kernel? |
| 19:22.03 | Ford-Prefect | pumpitup, nope, correct kaymap... just... somewhat messed up... need to punch some keys, hold them very long and then when I press another key I have a long row of signs I didn't want... i.e. 10 a:s instead of one |
| 19:22.23 | abrotman | shingouz: uhm .. no |
| 19:22.29 | resiak | Ford-Prefect: Checked the BTS? |
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| 19:22.50 | pumpitup | Ford-Prefect : ow wrong delay i guess but not sure what to do :) |
| 19:22.57 | Eulex | resiak, what package would he check? |
| 19:23.00 | mikeX | resiak, I can't check right now, but iirc no |
| 19:23.08 | valdyn | mikeX: if that device gets its power over usb you sure cant turn it on like that, that doesnt make it work any less in debian. |
| 19:23.17 | resiak | Eulex: Something to do with the terminal? This is part of the fun of running Sid! |
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| 19:23.22 | Boucman | hello all |
| 19:23.24 | Ford-Prefect | pumpitup, I't doesn't stop there :D |
| 19:23.28 | resiak | Eulex: Don't look at me --- I don't use Sid. |
| 19:23.45 | Ford-Prefect | resiak, further explenation please... I've not done any troubbleshooting for around 1 year |
| 19:23.46 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 19:23.46 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 19:23.48 | pumpitup | Ford-Prefect : im sure someone very much more intelligent will jump in ;) |
| 19:23.48 | Boucman | since the xorg transition, firefox is not working for me... is this a known bug ? is there a quick fix ? |
| 19:23.55 | resiak | !btssmite Ford-Prefect |
| 19:23.56 | Boucman | if not I'll just wait/try to find myself... |
| 19:24.00 | greycat | Boucman: mine works. |
| 19:24.11 | greycat | I'd say firefox is not normally supposed to fail.... |
| 19:24.22 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 19:24.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:24.23 | Boucman | greycat: what opengl implementation are you using ? |
| 19:24.24 | kyu | Boucman: mine works, have you updated? |
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| 19:24.28 | Ford-Prefect | aptitude refuses to update for me also... I can't install gaim because of the dependencies, and I can't install the packs it depends on and so on |
| 19:24.30 | Boucman | kyu: yes |
| 19:24.33 | greycat | Boucman: it's, uh, a Radeon 9000. |
| 19:24.35 | valdyn | Boucman: look for the error, probably not at xorg |
| 19:24.37 | resiak | !topicsmite Ford-Prefect |
| 19:24.38 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Ford-Prefect. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:24.39 | kyu | what ver of firefox? |
| 19:24.41 | greycat | Boucman: not sure I'm using any "opengl". |
| 19:24.57 | Boucman | it just never opens the window... |
| 19:25.11 | Boucman | I have other apps that behave strangely and all are opengl related... |
| 19:25.15 | kyu | I'm using Version: 1.0.5-1 with Xorg, and it seems totally fine |
| 19:25.16 | Eulex | Boucman, run it in a terminal and watch the error |
| 19:25.22 | abrotman | Ford-Prefect: you picked a bad week to update |
| 19:25.28 | ma3x | hello |
| 19:25.29 | yuacht | is there a way to change my username using the console? my accounts username that is |
| 19:25.33 | Boucman | Eulex: no error, it just blocks |
| 19:25.40 | pumpitup | Ford-Prefect : dependency problem in gaim? da hell... what package is broken? |
| 19:25.43 | ma3x | after installing the kernel what should i do to boot? |
| 19:25.43 | Boucman | doesn't even consume CPU after a given time |
| 19:25.46 | ma3x | i have GRUB |
| 19:25.48 | ma3x | not lilo |
| 19:25.49 | valdyn | Boucman: firefox has *nothing* to do w/ opengl. |
| 19:25.54 | stew | pumpitup: conflict of libaspell between gaim and kde |
| 19:25.55 | abrotman | i have FOOD |
| 19:25.56 | ma3x | i installed with dpkg -i |
| 19:25.59 | kyu | yuacht: usermod orig -l new |
| 19:26.05 | pumpitup | stew : ahhhh |
| 19:26.05 | kyu | man usermod told me that |
| 19:26.08 | kyu | RTFM! |
| 19:26.08 | kyu | :) |
| 19:26.10 | Boucman | valdyn: ok, I'll looke deeper into it |
| 19:26.12 | Eulex | Boucman, define "just blocks" |
| 19:26.13 | pumpitup | stew : sid is fun :) |
| 19:26.14 | resiak | I have PEOPLE IN CAGES! |
| 19:26.19 | Ford-Prefect | pumpitup, gaim is the one I have a problem with, but I suspect it is my computer, because it sais I haven't selected any packs |
| 19:26.20 | stew | pumpitup: i wouldn't know :) |
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| 19:26.22 | pablum | Boucman, I have the same problem (firefox won't start) but only under fvwm. |
| 19:26.22 | yuacht | kyu, do i have to be root? :/ |
| 19:26.26 | valdyn | Boucman: quite your firefox, then ps aux | grep firefox, if any is running, kill it. |
| 19:26.27 | ninjagrammaton | lol resiak\ |
| 19:26.29 | Danamania | If I were to hunt down info of where samba development on debian is at, and which versions would be coming next, where would be the spot to look? |
| 19:26.34 | valdyn | s/quite/quit/ |
| 19:26.37 | Boucman | pablum: I use fvwm too |
| 19:26.38 | stew | Ford-Prefect: gaim and kde will not currently co-exist in sid |
| 19:26.41 | kyu | yuacht: obviously, you're editing /etc/passwd etc |
| 19:26.41 | Boucman | that's weird |
| 19:26.42 | pablum | Boucman, it blocks in a poll for events |
| 19:26.45 | yuacht | ok |
| 19:26.48 | Ford-Prefect | abrotman, please explain further why this was a bad week? you scared me |
| 19:26.52 | stew | Ford-Prefect: /topic |
| 19:26.54 | resiak | !topicsmite Ford-Prefect |
| 19:26.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Ford-Prefect. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:26.55 | Ford-Prefect | stew, who said I used KDE? |
| 19:26.57 | Boucman | pablum: I'm not that far in debugging yet :) |
| 19:26.59 | abrotman | Ford-Prefect: read the darn topic |
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| 19:27.09 | abrotman | resiak: you're a big boy then eh? |
| 19:27.09 | stew | Ford-Prefect: install the libaspell dependency then |
| 19:27.12 | pablum | Boucman, hah. you should look for the bug on bts (it's there) |
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| 19:27.30 | fjleon | hi, i am trying to install gnustep, on debian unstable, but i get lots of unresolved packages |
| 19:27.30 | resiak | abrotman: oh yes. |
| 19:27.31 | Boucman | pablum: with what browser ;) |
| 19:27.32 | stew | Ford-Prefect: i'm assuming thats the one gaim is failing on, is it not? |
| 19:27.35 | resiak | fjleon: /topic |
| 19:27.38 | Boucman | just kidding, I'll fire links |
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| 19:27.49 | Boucman | do you have a bug number ? |
| 19:27.50 | fjleon | is there anyway to make sure i have the proper listings in apt's source.list? |
| 19:28.04 | kyu | try netselect-apt |
| 19:28.19 | pablum | er,,, |
| 19:28.23 | Eulex | fjleon, you most probably have, it's sid that is broken |
| 19:28.37 | exobyte | does linux support ppp compression (like windows does for dialup) |
| 19:28.39 | Ford-Prefect | stew, Let me see... it take me a while to get to that part because of the keyboard problem... it works as a charm in x |
| 19:28.42 | ma3x | stew: hi! after i compiled,installed the kernel, how can i list it under GRUB? |
| 19:28.47 | pablum | Boucman, 318645 |
| 19:29.00 | Boucman | thx |
| 19:29.06 | valdyn | !tell ma3x about kp |
| 19:29.06 | kyu | ma3x: You did it manually? Read the documents online about make-kpkg |
| 19:29.09 | Eulex | ma3x, compiled the debian way or the generic way? |
| 19:29.10 | stew | ma3x: update-grub |
| 19:29.23 | ma3x | stew: that wont list it, tried already |
| 19:29.23 | Ford-Prefect | when I select them for update and press u it sais: "No packages selected. . . ." |
| 19:29.24 | fjleon | Eulex: well i am having such a bad luck in that i cant install almost anything |
| 19:29.28 | fjleon | netselect installed fine though |
| 19:29.29 | stew | ma3x: how did you install the kernel? |
| 19:29.40 | valdyn | fjleon: thats how sid current just is. |
| 19:29.41 | pzn | which debian package recommended for simple sgml->pdf/ps conversion? |
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| 19:29.46 | valdyn | fjleon: thats how sid currently just is. |
| 19:29.53 | takatumi | ma3x: check if the entry has been added in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:30.12 | stew | ma3x: is there a good reason that you are compiling your own kernel? |
| 19:30.23 | ma3x | Eulex: with dpkg -i package.deb |
| 19:30.30 | PerfDave | Am I right in thinking that if you want to run a Debian system as a UML *host*, you don't need to do anything to the kernel? |
| 19:30.34 | stew | ma3x: then update-grub should find it |
| 19:30.36 | Ford-Prefect | evoloution data server is the thing that won't come with gaim |
| 19:30.36 | ma3x | stew: yes i need it |
| 19:30.42 | Ford-Prefect | and I can't get that one seperate either |
| 19:30.42 | candrodor | (Psst, I think s/he means "separate") |
| 19:30.56 | ma3x | the way i compiled the kernel is |
| 19:30.58 | stew | ma3x: do you have update-grub in a postinst line in /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
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| 19:31.18 | Ford-Prefect | wait... might have been starting to get close to a sollution |
| 19:31.20 | ninjagrammaton | does anyone have any suggestions as to how to set up a "shared" directory on a local network in debian sarge? im a rookie in the debian networking dept. (though for most practical purposes aboutdebian.com has been quite helpful!) |
| 19:31.30 | J_P | people, anyone know where i can find python2.4-gtk2.deb for sarge ? I try google, apt-get.org and backports.org |
| 19:31.41 | stew | J_P: it doesn't exist |
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| 19:31.47 | ma3x | i do have a postinst line |
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| 19:32.25 | ma3x | i installed it with this: make-kpkg --revision=786:MyKernel2.6.12.3 |
| 19:32.34 | J_P | stew: backports not too ? |
| 19:32.37 | kyu | J_P: I'm not sure about 2.4, my sid machine tells me about python_gtk2 Version: 2.6.2-1 though |
| 19:32.38 | Ipsooo | ninja > try NFS or samba if you have windows stations |
| 19:32.40 | glick | excuse me does the linux kernel probe and detect each device every time during boot? |
| 19:32.41 | kyu | Which i'm sure is better :) |
| 19:32.49 | stew | J_P: you said you looked there, right? |
| 19:32.51 | ma3x | and then dpkg -i kernel-image ........ |
| 19:32.56 | J_P | kyu: i use stable |
| 19:33.03 | J_P | stew: yes |
| 19:33.04 | PerfDave | ninjagrammaton: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 19:33.12 | stew | J_P: well then you should know the answer |
| 19:33.16 | kyu | J_P: try apt-cache search python gtk2 |
| 19:33.20 | valdyn | J_P: its not even in sid, so can hardly be 'backported' |
| 19:33.24 | stew | glick: no |
| 19:33.26 | J_P | stew: i like use last version of pida, ide for python/pygtk, but need gnome2-extras |
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| 19:33.35 | J_P | and pythohn2.4-gtk2 |
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| 19:33.47 | glick | stew, then what does it do? |
| 19:33.52 | stew | J_P: install whatever you need in /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages |
| 19:33.57 | stew | glick: what do you mean? |
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| 19:34.09 | Ford-Prefect | and some liberarys seem to be whacked also... the keyboard seem to be ok now thou |
| 19:34.19 | J_P | kyu: have python-gtk2 only for python 2.3 |
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| 19:34.20 | glick | stew, doent the kernel probe each device at boot in order to load the appropriate drivers> |
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| 19:34.26 | stew | glick: no |
| 19:34.28 | jeffro | hey |
| 19:34.44 | glick | stew, then how does it load the apropriate drivers at boot? |
| 19:34.46 | jeffro | remember me, (the "stupid one") |
| 19:34.56 | ninjagrammaton | PerfDave:basically i want to configure a file sharing system, between a debian-Pc and a windows laptop, only im a little confused what the debian "equivalent" of "shared documents" would be or how i would direct that stream likewise |
| 19:35.00 | valdyn | glick: 'probing' is so isa, today there's is pci, that does not need 'probing' ) |
| 19:35.03 | jeffro | how to save the file in nano |
| 19:35.04 | J_P | stew: what ? |
| 19:35.07 | stew | glick: it loads whatever you tell it it to load in /etc/modules, or whatever hotplug or discover tells it to loadif you have either of those installed |
| 19:35.12 | J_P | stew: pida need python2.4-gtk2 |
| 19:35.25 | stew | !info pida sarge |
| 19:35.40 | jeffro | plz |
| 19:35.45 | stew | J_P: pido is not a debian package, right? |
| 19:35.50 | J_P | stew: piuda is one python/pygtk IDE.. very good! |
| 19:35.58 | J_P | stew: not! |
| 19:36.00 | kyu | J_P: I don't really use python, as it's really nasty, but errrm... I'm not sure i can't see it in my apt cache :( Doesn't look like it's there |
| 19:36.02 | jeffro | HERE COMES A DUMB QUESTION: HOW TO SAVE A FILE IN NANO |
| 19:36.05 | ukh | a utility other than ImageMagick "convert" for resizing BIG jpeg's? I got a 170MB 57120x37120 image that gets *silently* corrupted while trying to resize it on i386. Anyone? |
| 19:36.10 | takatumi | jeffro: aren't there help tips at the bottom of the screen in nano? the ^ stands for the Ctrl key |
| 19:36.15 | PerfDave | jeffro: Please don't shout. |
| 19:36.16 | J_P | yeh, pida not are in sarge |
| 19:36.17 | pumpitup | jeffro : i knew youd be back |
| 19:36.17 | simonrvn | jeffro: read the help at the bottom |
| 19:36.23 | PerfDave | ninjagrammaton: You want your Windows laptop to be able to read bits of your Debian filesystem? |
| 19:36.26 | kyu | jeffro: man vi, but try ^X if i remember |
| 19:36.32 | jeffro | so if i quit |
| 19:36.37 | jeffro | will it ask to savE? |
| 19:36.40 | kyu | It should yes |
| 19:36.40 | pumpitup | jeffro : yes |
| 19:36.41 | simonrvn | ^o, ^x to quit it |
| 19:36.44 | simonrvn | .... |
| 19:36.44 | jeffro | ok |
| 19:36.47 | jeffro | thanks |
| 19:36.51 | kyu | :wq |
| 19:36.52 | kyu | ;) |
| 19:36.53 | stew | J_P: you need to go find python gtk2 libs somewhere that is not debian and install them in /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages, or you need to port the python2.3-gtk2 package to python2.4 yourself |
| 19:36.58 | jeffro | or else i would have started ALL OVER |
| 19:37.00 | simonrvn | IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FUCKING SCREEN |
| 19:37.26 | pumpitup | simonrvn : heh hes a moron |
| 19:37.36 | jeffro | i thaught i had to press ALT |
| 19:37.45 | ninjagrammaton | PerfDave: actually im using the laptop as the server if you will, and have alot of data on it that i need to access on the pc(deb) |
| 19:37.48 | J_P | stew: argg! |
| 19:37.50 | jeffro | IM NOT A MORON |
| 19:37.57 | kyu | I only knew it was there because once i was forced to use it during the install of a diff os, really horrible editor |
| 19:37.57 | pumpitup | yes you are |
| 19:38.08 | kyu | I mean, the worst editor ever created |
| 19:38.08 | jeffro | I HAVE A JOB AS SYSTEM MANAGER |
| 19:38.08 | pumpitup | a shouting moron i might add |
| 19:38.08 | ninjagrammaton | hey now guys lets show some respect |
| 19:38.16 | PerfDave | ninjagrammaton: OK, then you should just be able to mount things from Linux via SMB |
| 19:38.28 | kyu | jeffro: Stop talking in CAPS LOCK |
| 19:38.28 | pumpitup | jeffro: HAHAHAHAHAHA poor company |
| 19:38.29 | jeffro | but have to use windows xp -.-" |
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| 19:38.45 | kyu | pumpitup: haha |
| 19:38.49 | Ford-Prefect | ah, now I'm starting to get back into the think |
| 19:38.49 | Spec | I have a job as a systems administrator also.... |
| 19:38.52 | Ford-Prefect | thanks guys :) |
| 19:38.55 | Eulex | pumpitup, stop flaming |
| 19:38.56 | ma3x | hello |
| 19:39.01 | jeffro | pumpitup you are very nice (sarcastic) |
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| 19:39.06 | Ford-Prefect | to get started, get some problems to solve ;) |
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| 19:39.14 | Spec | In fact...I'm guessing the most common job of the people in this channel is gonna have to be systems administrator :p |
| 19:39.25 | kyu | I'm training to be a paramedic actually |
| 19:39.30 | pumpitup | Eulex : well he was being an ass for a long time |
| 19:39.31 | kyu | :/ |
| 19:39.33 | Spec | hehe |
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| 19:39.36 | pumpitup | but anyways im sorry |
| 19:39.40 | ma3x | can you please give me instrucions how to compile the 2.6.12-3 kernel with my existing .conf ? |
| 19:39.46 | jeffro | i just dint understand |
| 19:39.57 | pumpitup | i should respect system administrators |
| 19:39.58 | jeffro | umask isnt ANYWHERE in the manual |
| 19:40.06 | valdyn | ma3x: that kernel exists? where? why? |
| 19:40.07 | kyu | ma3x: copy your .config to /usr/src/linux-2.6.12-3/.config ? |
| 19:40.07 | Spec | kyu: "Well, we could've saved your husband...but our computers were running windows and crashed; may I offer you a free linux distrobution in consolation?" |
| 19:40.08 | kyu | ;) |
| 19:40.11 | jeffro | so i would never know |
| 19:40.15 | Ford-Prefect | when I installed them manually one by one, it worked :) |
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| 19:40.25 | kyu | Spec: I would laugh but i won't, :/ |
| 19:40.30 | Spec | hehe |
| 19:40.30 | stew | ma3x: cp the .conf to .config ; make oldconfig ; /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:40.33 | kyu | heh |
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| 19:40.36 | Eulex | pumpitup, I'd not say he's a moron, just maybe a little pebkac |
| 19:40.37 | jeffro | ok whats the most commonly used file manager in kde |
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| 19:40.42 | jeffro | except konqueror |
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| 19:40.48 | ninjagrammaton | cool thanks very much appreciated (PerfDave) |
| 19:40.49 | kyu | jeffro: tcsh |
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| 19:40.54 | Eulex | jeffro, that's a poll, not a question |
| 19:40.59 | jeffro | it is |
| 19:41.04 | ninjagrammaton | jeffro i recommend rox filer or dfm |
| 19:41.05 | mihai_ | i need an X program for browsing and acessing netbios shares (windows) that works good |
| 19:41.07 | ma3x | stew: what after make oldconfig? |
| 19:41.13 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:41.13 | jeffro | i wnat to have a better file manager thats why |
| 19:41.14 | ma3x | how do i install it and make GRUB detect it? |
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| 19:41.22 | stew | jeffro: popcon.debian.org |
| 19:41.27 | kyu | max: Read the docs. |
| 19:41.28 | PerfDave | jeffro: Define "better" |
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| 19:41.41 | jeffro | it would be easier with apt-get |
| 19:41.45 | kyu | PerfDave: Better: Anything non-kde |
| 19:41.48 | PerfDave | !why is user-mode-linux not in stable |
| 19:41.48 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, PerfDave |
| 19:41.52 | Mr-R | mihai_: no X, but try smbclient and smbmount/smbumount... |
| 19:41.55 | PerfDave | kyu: Now you're talking shite :) |
| 19:41.58 | kyu | haha |
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| 19:42.07 | ukh | mihai_: such a beast does not exist, but the nautilus people are working on it |
| 19:42.19 | mihai_ | no that can't be |
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| 19:42.26 | Mr-R | ukh: really? scaring. :) |
| 19:42.28 | pumpitup | samba works good |
| 19:42.30 | mihai_ | i saw in a magazine some kde desktop with a bunch of lan machines |
| 19:42.37 | takatumi | doesn't konqy do it? |
| 19:42.43 | valdyn | mihai_: nautilus from gnome 2.10 works alright, as does probably konqueror |
| 19:43.09 | kyu | I'm a dedicated fluxbox user, the idea of kde simply makes me want to drown in my own (or someone elses for that matter) vomit. |
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| 19:43.20 | Eulex | mihai_, xffm does it too |
| 19:43.20 | ninjagrammaton | DFM is good for quick mounting etc... where as rox filer is great for file associations |
| 19:43.21 | takatumi | kyu: ion! |
| 19:43.23 | kyu | To put it nicly heh |
| 19:43.24 | pumpitup | gnome :) |
| 19:43.39 | jeffro | ok |
| 19:43.45 | PerfDave | kyu: You're entitled to your opinion. The thought of using Fluxbox makes me want to go and use Windows :) |
| 19:43.51 | kyu | takatumi: hmmm, never used it but meh. Won't be better than http://console-pimps.org/~kyu/Fluxbox2.png |
| 19:43.51 | ninjagrammaton | LOL |
| 19:43.54 | kyu | :) |
| 19:43.55 | ninjagrammaton | OUCH |
| 19:43.59 | kyu | PerfDave: why's that? |
| 19:43.59 | pumpitup | BURN |
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| 19:44.01 | pablum | best file mgr: exec xterm |
| 19:44.06 | jeffro | what comes the closest to windows's file manager |
| 19:44.21 | ukh | pumpitup: yes, smbclient is the only thing that works, but he wanted something for X. If you need to access DFS shares or cross-domain authenticated stuff, AFAIK no X tool exists. |
| 19:44.22 | PerfDave | kyu: KDE's the only usable Linux desktop environment, in my opinion. |
| 19:44.34 | pablum | jeffro, any webbrowser... but more secure |
| 19:44.44 | Eulex | jeffro, nautilus is close enough that *I* wanna vomit |
| 19:44.48 | pumpitup | PerfDave: dont like gnome :(? |
| 19:44.51 | jeffro | ok |
| 19:44.55 | ninjagrammaton | closest to windows would probably be KDE honestly (correct me if im wrong) |
| 19:45.02 | jeffro | cause i dont recommend firefox for filemanager |
| 19:45.11 | jeffro | i like to dobuleclick |
| 19:45.14 | jeffro | ^^ |
| 19:45.14 | Eulex | hehe |
| 19:45.17 | ninjagrammaton | lol |
| 19:45.18 | PerfDave | pumpitup: God no, I'd rather use the bloody console. |
| 19:45.19 | pumpitup | jeffro : just being curious but what systems do you manage? |
| 19:45.23 | kyu | PerfDave: I think that's a pretty silly thing to say... Why is kde more usable than windowmaker or fluxbox? I can do anything you can in kde or gnome or xfce or w/e other big ones there are in minimal ones |
| 19:45.33 | jeffro | computer-systems on a school |
| 19:45.37 | jeffro | with servers |
| 19:45.39 | jeffro | and such |
| 19:45.54 | jeffro | but we have to use windows xp and windows server 2003 |
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| 19:46.06 | pumpitup | jeffro : couldve guessed that :P |
| 19:46.18 | kyu | What can kde do that my setup can't? Except use up most of my memory |
| 19:46.24 | pulaski | hello, I'm getting confused configuring exim4 to rewrite the outgoing "from" address on my mutt client. |
| 19:46.25 | pablum | kyu, I want to agree with you (and include fvwm) but I do think kde and gnome get a lot more developer attention. |
| 19:46.27 | PerfDave | kyu: KDE is the only Linux desktop environment which Just Works in an intuitive manner for me. Every other one I've tried has involved spending fucking hours trying to get it to work sensibly, usually by hacking eldritch configuration files. |
| 19:46.36 | jeffro | sorry another question: |
| 19:46.44 | takatumi | kyu: too cluttered for me. http://gpoppy.org/2005-07-18-224449_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 19:46.47 | pumpitup | here it comes |
| 19:46.51 | jeffro | how to set a default program for example internet |
| 19:47.06 | ninjagrammaton | program? like a ppp daemon? |
| 19:47.08 | jeffro | i hate when i press home it starts konqueror |
| 19:47.11 | kyu | PerfDave: It took me about 2 minutes to setup fluxbox, kde takes much longer to even load ;) |
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| 19:47.17 | PerfDave | jeffro: "internet" is not a program |
| 19:47.21 | pumpitup | internet is now a program ? |
| 19:47.25 | jeffro | i mean web-browser |
| 19:47.33 | kyu | Depends what you're used to i guess |
| 19:47.35 | pulaski | that is to rewrite the "from" address on the headers mutt puts on outgoing e-mails |
| 19:47.39 | jeffro | !!!! |
| 19:47.39 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 19:47.44 | Gathond | jeffro: probably a setting in the windowing system you use, if you are thinking in terms of program that responds to mail and such |
| 19:47.45 | PerfDave | kyu: I've used fluxbox. It was frustrating, and I couldn't work out how to reconfigure it to work more sensibly, so I went back to KDE. |
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| 19:47.48 | kyu | Windows users will of course be more at home with a bloated memory-hog such as kde |
| 19:48.01 | jeffro | yes but in firefox |
| 19:48.03 | kyu | :) |
| 19:48.06 | jeffro | i cant set it as default |
| 19:48.12 | mihai_ | ok i tried with xffm4 it says nmblookup not found |
| 19:48.19 | PerfDave | kyu: Oh, grow up. I've got 768Mb RAM on my system, I can afford to let KDE have some of it ;p |
| 19:48.19 | Mr-R | kyu: depends on your boxen. i stucked years with fvwm1 and now i am just to lazy not to use kde... |
| 19:48.22 | kyu | takatumi: fluxbox has tabs also |
| 19:48.26 | ukh | pulaski: try echo "my.domain.name.com" >/etc/mailname |
| 19:48.39 | pulaski | thank you ukh |
| 19:48.52 | ninjagrammaton | i believe that is a matter of how you open "/home" and what file associations you have set up in your system. |
| 19:48.52 | stew | jeffro: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 19:48.52 | greycat | the bottom line is, use whatever you like. |
| 19:48.54 | Eulex | http://eulex.0nyx.com/xfce-20050717.png |
| 19:49.04 | takatumi | kyu: I do have it installed, use it once a while. |
| 19:49.09 | jeffro | its allready updated |
| 19:49.11 | greycat | the bigger your choice of environments is, the more bugs you will run into. |
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| 19:49.16 | jeffro | i always update it |
| 19:49.19 | pumpitup | wow shopping for a domain name regustrator is long any of you guys recommend a cheap one? |
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| 19:49.36 | PerfDave | *sigh* It seems like UML in Debian is more hassle than it's worth currently. |
| 19:49.43 | kyu | PerfDave: Oh, i'm sure you can, i just wouldn't choose to install something with so many dependencies :) |
| 19:49.45 | ninjagrammaton | 1&1 is pretty good pumpitup |
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| 19:49.54 | jeffro | yes |
| 19:50.01 | jeffro | bye bye KONQUEROR |
| 19:50.07 | ninjagrammaton | lol amen |
| 19:50.17 | PerfDave | kyu: I choose to install the thing that lets me get the fuck on with my life with the least hassle, and that for me is KDE :) |
| 19:50.18 | pumpitup | !tell ninjagrammaton about lol |
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| 19:50.22 | jeffro | same for file manger? |
| 19:50.23 | kyu | jeffro: How many times do we have to ask you not to TYPE WITH YOUR FUCKING SHIFT KEY HELD DOWN |
| 19:50.30 | jeffro | it was caps :P |
| 19:50.32 | jeffro | lo |
| 19:50.34 | jeffro | lol |
| 19:50.37 | mihai_ | where is the nmblookup package ? |
| 19:50.39 | greycat | haha |
| 19:50.50 | pumpitup | !tell jeffro about enter |
| 19:50.57 | drac | !lol |
| 19:50.58 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg, or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 19:51.03 | jeffro | is there the same way for filemanager alternativer |
| 19:51.19 | abrotman | huh? |
| 19:51.23 | PerfDave | mihai_: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:51.25 | highvoltage | mc is also kewl. |
| 19:51.28 | takatumi | jeffro: tried ls yet? |
| 19:51.30 | abrotman | xfe |
| 19:51.34 | pulaski | hmmm no response ukh, |
| 19:51.35 | greycat | dpkg, lol =~ s/jpg,/jpg/g |
| 19:51.35 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:51.40 | jeffro | sorry im stupid what was ls |
| 19:51.56 | jeffro | you mean |
| 19:51.57 | jeffro | dir |
| 19:51.59 | kyu | PerfDave: I find kde gets in my way more than it helps me to work, i open an aterm with Mod+s, i swap to another worksapce or another tab with my mouse wheel, vim can be full screen and i click a button on the taskbar and i'm sitting at a svn prompt, kde i just don't need. But i suppose it all comes down to what you prefer. Personally i don't understand why, but we'll leave it at that i think :) |
| 19:51.59 | websdale | jeffro:yes you can set up any alternatives you like - read the docs |
| 19:52.03 | ninjagrammaton | "ls" is the equivalent of " dir" in dos |
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| 19:52.15 | jeffro | whats the docs for configuring alternatives |
| 19:52.38 | ninjagrammaton | only no "/p" is needed simply use "shift + pg up or pg dn " to scroll |
| 19:52.41 | ninjagrammaton | in terminal that is |
| 19:52.50 | pumpitup | haha |
| 19:52.52 | shingouz | jeffro: try man -k alternatives |
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| 19:53.16 | jeffro | update-alternatives (8) - maintain symbolic links determining default commands |
| 19:53.19 | ninjagrammaton | sorry pumpitup ill specify "laughing out loud" from now on :) |
| 19:53.31 | websdale | jeffro:yes |
| 19:53.31 | stew | ninjagrammaton: try dir | more |
| 19:53.32 | takatumi | jeffro: install 'configure-debian' you won't have to remember all the names that way. |
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| 19:54.00 | stew | ninjagrammaton: the "| more" will give you the /p functionality |
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| 19:54.12 | ninjagrammaton | nice |
| 19:54.20 | highvoltage | stew: less is more |
| 19:54.24 | ninjagrammaton | now is that in dos correct? |
| 19:54.26 | pumpitup | ninjagrammaton : appreciated heh ;) |
| 19:54.40 | pulaski | thanks ukh that's helpful |
| 19:54.41 | stew | ninjagrammaton: but you will find that less is more than more and ls is more flexible than dir |
| 19:54.41 | shingouz | ninjagrammaton: dos? |
| 19:54.47 | Eulex | less is better than more imho |
| 19:54.53 | pumpitup | ninjagrammaton : ive been told a million times by abrotman since i came in here so passing the flame now |
| 19:55.03 | takatumi | jeffro: ignore that. |
| 19:55.12 | jeffro | i allready did |
| 19:55.15 | PerfDave | kyu: That's fair enough, but please don't go spreading shit about KDE. I know people (myself included) who wouldn't touch Linux until they discovered KDE, and now no longer have any other OS installed. Regardless of your opinion, KDE is a great thing for converting people. |
| 19:55.16 | jeffro | installed it |
| 19:55.22 | jeffro | but |
| 19:55.30 | jeffro | sorry im entering......... |
| 19:55.31 | abrotman | PerfDave: it sucks! .. admit it :) |
| 19:55.39 | PerfDave | abrotman: Fuck you, cakebutt! |
| 19:55.55 | abrotman | PerfDave: now now .. let's not go talking about my fetishes |
| 19:55.58 | Eulex | heh -- I was converted with xfce and do still use it :) |
| 19:56.01 | takatumi | jeffro: that is to aid with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:56.07 | jeffro | i see |
| 19:56.13 | kyu | PerfDave: I wasn't intending to "spread shit" about kde, i was onl voicing an opinion on it, which has nothing to do with fact. Kde is great for that i'm sure. Just not for me. |
| 19:56.17 | ke6isf | BLACKBOX IS THE ONE TRUE WM. |
| 19:56.25 | jeffro | now i want nautilus as default manager |
| 19:56.30 | kyu | ke6isf: you use software that's been unmaintained for more than 2 years? |
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| 19:56.41 | ninjagrammaton | kde is very asthetically pleasing but i prefer wmaker |
| 19:56.43 | stew | ok everybody enough window manager /desktop environmen masturbation |
| 19:56.44 | ke6isf | kyu: No, my wife does, actually - she prefers blackbox for some odd reason. |
| 19:56.57 | kyu | ninjagrammaton: check out http://console-pimps.org/~kyu/Epic4.png |
| 19:57.06 | kyu | ninjagrammaton: That's my Wmaker config,looks purdy eh? :) |
| 19:57.08 | Eulex | ke6isf, yeah, blackbox/fluxbox are cool too -- I run fluxbox on an old p2 300 |
| 19:57.16 | ke6isf | Me, I use gnome. |
| 19:57.17 | mihai_ | help what java package must i install to use azureus ? |
| 19:57.32 | stew | mihai_: /topic |
| 19:57.34 | abrotman | kyu: it's not |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | kyu: blackbox is active again |
| 19:57.56 | jeffro | apt-get install azereus |
| 19:58.06 | jeffro | apt-get install azureus |
| 19:58.10 | kyu | abrotman: oh i didn't realise it was alive again |
| 19:58.20 | takatumi | jeffro: this is what I meant the last time, galternatives |
| 19:58.22 | jeffro | i can help ppl too :P |
| 19:58.24 | Eulex | kyu, your server is slow |
| 19:58.27 | kyu | I'm so used to flux now i'd find blackbox lacking in some areas now i'm sure :) |
| 19:58.36 | kyu | Eulex: not my server |
| 19:58.38 | ke6isf | On attempting to import a TTF into dfontmgr, I get a segfault - no explanation. Is this a bug, or does dfontmgr just not like some fonts? |
| 19:58.46 | mihai_ | stew, it's all so confusing, what' the package name ? |
| 19:58.54 | Eulex | kyu, ok -- but still slow :P |
| 19:59.00 | stew | mihai_: did you /msg dpkg java like it says in the topic? |
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| 19:59.07 | mihai_ | stew yes that's confusing |
| 19:59.10 | jeffro | ok takatumi |
| 19:59.13 | jeffro | installing now |
| 19:59.13 | ninjagrammaton | nice |
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| 19:59.17 | kyu | Eulex, there's alot of warez going through there atm, heh. |
| 19:59.24 | Eulex | kyu, hehe |
| 19:59.34 | abrotman | kyu: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=40696 |
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| 19:59.46 | abrotman | kyu: or blackboxwm.sf.net |
| 19:59.50 | stew | mihai_: sigh... get java-package and read the docs |
| 20:00.04 | GooooGle | Where can I download latest KDE for Debian ? Kde.org doesnt have Debian packages :/ |
| 20:00.07 | kyu | abrotman: Cheers |
| 20:00.22 | stew | mihai_: its in contrib |
| 20:00.23 | takatumi | GooooGle: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 20:00.32 | pumpitup | wow 6 dollars for one year domain registration at 1&1 |
| 20:00.33 | mihai_ | stew, apt-get install java-package ? that's what i need for azuresus ? ok i have contrib enabled |
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| 20:00.38 | GooooGle | takatumi: I dont have debian installed yet. |
| 20:00.44 | stew | mihai_: thats what you need to install java |
| 20:00.49 | mihai_ | no way |
| 20:00.52 | stew | mihai_: its not java itself |
| 20:00.54 | xiglet | If I want mysql-sever 4.1 on my sarge installation, is it best to add a repository that holds this updated server? |
| 20:00.58 | PerfDave | GooooGle: Which version of KDE, which version of Debian |
| 20:01.19 | PerfDave | !best |
| 20:01.20 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:01.23 | GooooGle | PerfDave: 3.4.1 && 3.1(Sarge) |
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| 20:01.26 | takatumi | GooooGle: http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:01.32 | mihai_ | stew, i need azureus asap, can you pls help me i have no time to read it's 2 am here |
| 20:01.46 | PerfDave | GooooGle: Any reason you don't want to just use 3.3? |
| 20:01.52 | stew | mihai_: plonk |
| 20:01.57 | FieldySnuts | @fuck java "apps" |
| 20:02.05 | GooooGle | PerfDave: its "old" :0 |
| 20:02.08 | PerfDave | mihai_: I can't believe you urgently need a crappy Java bittorrent application that quickly. |
| 20:02.12 | PerfDave | !gentoosmite GooooGle |
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| 20:02.24 | FieldySnuts | that and warez kiddie apps. (p2p stuff, *most* but not all of the time) |
| 20:02.25 | mihai_ | PerfDave, what do you use for multi-torrent downloads ? |
| 20:02.34 | FieldySnuts | bittornado works fine |
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| 20:02.38 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.39 | stew | oopos |
| 20:02.42 | FieldySnuts | seperate instance for each but big deal |
| 20:02.42 | Genghis_ | where does debian saves its networking route settings |
| 20:02.47 | PerfDave | mihai_: btlaunchmanycurses from bittornado. Doesn't require a GUI, or shitty Java. |
| 20:02.49 | asuffield | Genghis_: it doesn't |
| 20:02.50 | greycat | java apps are a lot like old COBOL crap I had to deal with a decade ago. there's a proprietary "runtime environment" and then there are object files that it can execute |
| 20:02.58 | abrotman | Genghis_: it doesn't save routing info .. /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:03.04 | FieldySnuts | greycat: and I hope it goes away like COBOL generallyhas too. |
| 20:03.04 | greycat | you never actually build executable programs |
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| 20:03.12 | Eulex | yeah, bittornado rules, though it needs a gtk2 gui |
| 20:03.21 | resiak | Eulex: No, it doesn't... |
| 20:03.27 | FieldySnuts | no. it doesn't, it uses pythonwx or some shit |
| 20:03.28 | Mr-R | greycat: try eiffel... :( |
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| 20:03.47 | PerfDave | bittornado doesn't need a GUI at all :) |
| 20:03.59 | PerfDave | That's why I can run it in screen on my headless server. |
| 20:04.05 | Eulex | bittornado-gui does |
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| 20:04.22 | PerfDave | Eulex: That's not the same as bittornado :) |
| 20:04.27 | ukh | java: build once and never ever run it again on anything but one particular JVM on one particular OS in one particular environment |
| 20:04.31 | jeffro | takamit |
| 20:04.35 | jeffro | thats cool |
| 20:04.44 | Eulex | and it looks quite ugly compared to everything else on my system |
| 20:04.58 | jeffro | but it cant configure file manager |
| 20:04.59 | jeffro | :( |
| 20:05.03 | cmihai | Looks like somethis is borked with K3B. Cant seem to close the thing. C-Q, ALT+F4, File - Quit, X, right mouse - close, nothing seems to close it. Yet, its working, and its not frozen. |
| 20:05.09 | greycat | bittornado can't count bytes, thouhg. |
| 20:05.14 | PerfDave | ukh: And sign your life over to Sun while you're at it :) |
| 20:05.17 | Genghis_ | thats odd, if it does not save routes elsewhere bit in network/interfaces, then i wonder why my inet connection does not work after trying to set the route, end then remove it from network/interfaces |
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| 20:05.33 | greycat | every time bittornado loses the connection to the tracker for a given .torrent file, it starts counting all over at 0, so you never know how much you've actually uploaded |
| 20:05.41 | jeffro | guess its not possible |
| 20:05.42 | ecobit | cmihai: try "killall k3b" in a terminal |
| 20:05.46 | Eulex | cmihai, kill it? |
| 20:05.49 | cmihai | ecobit: yeah, I know that. |
| 20:06.01 | PerfDave | greycat: That's true. But the tracker I use keeps aggregate stats, so I just use those instead :) |
| 20:06.02 | ecobit | cmihai: then find the PID and kill -9 it |
| 20:06.07 | cmihai | But the strange thing is, its not frozen. It works, I can burn cds, it responds :) |
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| 20:06.34 | cmihai | pkill k3b, killall k3b, pgrep etc... I know. That works. The funny thing is that k3b works, only that it doesnt want to quit :) |
| 20:06.49 | simonrvn | it likes you too much |
| 20:06.56 | websdale | cmihai:I used to use k3b but I've found gnomebaker to be more stable |
| 20:07.01 | cmihai | Too bad I hate it. Killed :) |
| 20:07.01 | PerfDave | k3b loves you and wants to be your friend :) |
| 20:07.02 | Mr-R | cmihai: i head something like that with the k3b setup routine... it did not die and worked somehow |
| 20:07.23 | cmihai | I dont really use k3b, ill stick to growisofs. |
| 20:07.32 | greycat | PerfDave: rtorrent seems to be better than bittornado, once you get used to the UI |
| 20:07.38 | xiglet | in sarge, what is the best way to upgrade software that is newer than the version in the default repository? |
| 20:07.39 | cmihai | Just wanted to see the new features, heh. |
| 20:08.19 | Eulex | xiglet, upgrade it just like everything else? |
| 20:08.38 | xiglet | Eulex: usually, I use apt-get upgrade... |
| 20:08.55 | Pego | hi i have a /boot umpty and i apt-get install kernel-image... wil he creat all i need ? |
| 20:08.57 | cmihai | Well, now it closes. Looks like it only does that after you burn a cd. |
| 20:08.59 | xiglet | Eulex: I guess I have to change repository or dowload .deb manually |
| 20:09.07 | simonrvn | you also need to update, heh |
| 20:09.09 | Eulex | xiglet, why wouldn't that work with stuff from unofficial apt repos? |
| 20:09.09 | Mr-R | cmihai: afaik the device scan at the setup is quite resistable to kills. some weird process state or so |
| 20:09.29 | jeffro | hey " nice one(pumpitup) what are the docs on configuring a standard filemanager |
| 20:09.35 | Pego | simonrvn: me ? :) |
| 20:09.38 | Eulex | xiglet, oh, but if it ain't in the apt repos in sources.list you'll have to upgrade manually |
| 20:09.45 | cmihai | kill -9, kill -9, kill -9 :) |
| 20:09.55 | xiglet | Eulex: I guess it will work fine, but what repos? from "testing" or some repos I find lying around? |
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| 20:10.20 | pumpitup | jeffro : dont know what youre talking about |
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| 20:10.25 | djansa | hi |
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| 20:10.45 | Eulex | xiglet, depends entirely on what software you are talking about and if you have it in an apt repo that is added to source.list |
| 20:10.48 | djansa | how can i manage my service with an graphic aplication with ubuntu plz? |
| 20:10.58 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 20:10.58 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 20:11.01 | PerfDave | djansa: By asking #ubuntu for your Ubuntu questions, not #debian |
| 20:11.01 | abrotman | resiak: you're slipping |
| 20:11.02 | takatumi | jeffro: you should start reading some docs on debian.org, the debian-reference is quite exhaustive. |
| 20:11.03 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 20:11.03 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:11.15 | PerfDave | greycat: rtorrent appears not to be in apt ;) To be honest, btlaunchmanycurses is good enough for my needs. |
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| 20:11.27 | Pego | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.30 | jeffro | Pumpitup: i want to configure a default filemanager when ever i click home or something (or in quick browsinng) |
| 20:11.57 | xiglet | Eulex: I have sarge stable with default repos. I want mysql-server-4.1, it looks like the latest version in the default repos is 4.0 |
| 20:12.19 | edwards | pego, yes |
| 20:12.22 | pumpitup | jeffro : dont know sorry |
| 20:12.25 | resiak | xiglet: Backport! |
| 20:12.33 | Pego | edwards tx |
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| 20:12.48 | edwards | make sure vmlinuz has the correct ln on /boot |
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| 20:13.06 | rabbi | siemka |
| 20:13.16 | xiglet | resiak: not sure I follow ... guess I'll read some more |
| 20:13.21 | GooooGle | Whats the difference between XFree86 and X ? |
| 20:13.28 | rabbi | mam problem z gmailfs czy mogl by mi ktos pomoc?? |
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| 20:13.36 | highvoltage | You mean XFree86 and Xorg? |
| 20:13.46 | Ipsooo | XFree86 is an implementation of X (correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 20:13.57 | jeffro | so everyone who uses kde has to use konqeuror when they click on home on their desktop |
| 20:14.00 | GooooGle | I mean, XFree86 and the X window system :| |
| 20:14.01 | highvoltage | XFree86 screwed up, mainly with the licencing, so the project forked to xorg. |
| 20:14.02 | shingouz | rabbi: russki? |
| 20:14.17 | rabbi | poland :] |
| 20:14.21 | pumpitup | jeffro : i dont use kde :) |
| 20:14.25 | highvoltage | XFree86 and Xorg are both implementations of the X window system, |
| 20:14.26 | Mr-R | jeffro: you do not have to click on home... |
| 20:14.28 | jeffro | I want to use kde |
| 20:14.38 | shingouz | hmm.. |
| 20:14.40 | shingouz | !po |
| 20:14.40 | dpkg | somebody said po was Piss Off or Post Office |
| 20:14.42 | greycat | !polish |
| 20:14.42 | dpkg | somebody said polish was spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 20:14.43 | shingouz | nope |
| 20:14.49 | GooooGle | so what do i need to get to install KDE? Xfree86 ? |
| 20:15.05 | rabbi | ok i'am very sorry |
| 20:15.06 | highvoltage | apt-get install kubuntu |
| 20:15.07 | jeffro | and if you click "start" then quick browsing |
| 20:15.17 | highvoltage | sorry, kubuntu-desktop |
| 20:15.24 | shingouz | rabbi: no problem. just that we speak english here |
| 20:15.33 | ninjagrammaton | all good rabbi id help you if i could man |
| 20:15.35 | pumpitup | GooooGle : actually if u select lde as a package apt will also install xserver ;) |
| 20:15.36 | highvoltage | or, you can go to synaptic and install kubuntu-desktop, that will also give you kde. |
| 20:15.48 | pumpitup | *kde thats is |
| 20:15.49 | shingouz | highvoltage: what are you talking about? |
| 20:15.49 | keenan | how come apt-get gets the Release.gpg file from the mirror in sources.list? |
| 20:15.59 | resiak | highvoltage: FFS, don't give Ubuntu support in here. |
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| 20:16.07 | jeffro | kubuntu is not considered debian |
| 20:16.09 | keenan | shouldn't it always get it from debian.org to make sure it hasn't been tampered with? |
| 20:16.16 | jeffro | i had the problem with knoppix |
| 20:16.17 | keenan | isn't that the point of the signature?? |
| 20:16.21 | GooooGle | pumpitup: Im installing Debian from the Netinstall image and i'll install X and KDE afterwards from a CD :S What do i need to do in this case ? |
| 20:16.34 | jeffro | just do it from a mirror |
| 20:16.36 | highvoltage | oh yes, sorry. lack of sleep getting the better of me. |
| 20:16.37 | jeffro | on the internet |
| 20:16.41 | ninjagrammaton | doesn't ubuntu have a debian kernel? |
| 20:16.46 | rabbi | ok i try speak english |
| 20:16.46 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:16.49 | jeffro | it does |
| 20:16.52 | rabbi | ok?? |
| 20:16.54 | resiak | No, it doesn't. |
| 20:17.12 | rabbi | i have a problem with gmailfs |
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| 20:17.28 | jeffro | most ppl wont support it |
| 20:17.35 | jeffro | and wont give you a debian answer |
| 20:17.38 | dogayonv | can anyone tell me how I can use xmessage, I cant get it to display a message on :0 |
| 20:17.44 | resiak | Right, because it's a waste of time |
| 20:17.44 | jeffro | except you say its debian |
| 20:17.49 | resiak | jeffro: NO WE DO NOT |
| 20:17.50 | jeffro | worked for me once |
| 20:17.53 | resiak | Oh, you do |
| 20:17.59 | resiak | dogayonv: xmessage Badger! |
| 20:18.18 | dogayonv | oh its by user name? |
| 20:18.23 | simonrvn | no |
| 20:18.29 | simonrvn | man xmessage |
| 20:18.29 | jeffro | also then it solved my knoppix problem |
| 20:18.30 | jeffro | :) |
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| 20:18.33 | ninjagrammaton | hey i dont disagre with you resiak (a matter of opinion simply there) :) |
| 20:18.36 | dogayonv | man doesnt help me simonrvn |
| 20:18.36 | greycat | dogayonv: you would, uh, need to have the proper MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE to connect to that user's X display |
| 20:18.37 | Pego | i have no stage on /boot/grub only menu.lst and device map how can i get a good /boot plz |
| 20:18.47 | simonrvn | oh no |
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| 20:18.55 | greycat | Pego: /usr/share/doc/grub/* |
| 20:19.09 | dogayonv | so there is no easy way for me to just send a message to that user without using a IM or Email? |
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| 20:19.44 | greycat | dogayonv: you could call her on the phone. |
| 20:19.46 | simonrvn | xmessage isn't for that |
| 20:20.05 | aeruder | dogayonv: have root access? ;) |
| 20:20.10 | dogayonv | yes aeruder |
| 20:20.15 | dogayonv | thanks greycat your so helpful |
| 20:20.17 | ninjagrammaton | i wasnt too impressed with it but of course am not too familiar |
| 20:20.31 | jeffro | dogayonv: you could use irc |
| 20:20.35 | Mr-R | dogayonv: as root you can use wall :) |
| 20:20.38 | simonrvn | "you're" |
| 20:20.38 | aeruder | dogayonv: just export XAUTHORITY=/path/to/her/home/.Xauthority |
| 20:20.46 | jeffro | dogayonv: and you could use windows xp and use net send |
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| 20:20.57 | jeffro | dogayonv: But winxp isnt good |
| 20:21.08 | dogayonv | you use windows all you want jeffro |
| 20:21.11 | jeffro | debian is the FUTURE!!! |
| 20:21.15 | shingouz | jeffro: don't even say that he could use xp. he might lart you to kingdom come |
| 20:21.18 | simonrvn | it's also not debian |
| 20:21.19 | ninjagrammaton | oh and i just checked (so we know for sure) and UBuntu DOES use a Debian base |
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| 20:21.29 | dogayonv | hey shingouz :) |
| 20:21.30 | FieldySnuts | ~troll jeffro |
| 20:21.30 | apt | ACTION hereby declares jeffro a troll |
| 20:21.33 | shingouz | yo doga |
| 20:21.42 | aeruder | dogayonv: and then set the DISPLAY variable, and you're in ;) |
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| 20:21.47 | jeffro | ~troll FielfySnuts |
| 20:21.48 | apt | ACTION hereby declares FielfySnuts a troll |
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| 20:21.55 | valdyn | dogayonv: man 1 write |
| 20:22.08 | dogayonv | but write wont work in X will it? |
| 20:22.09 | jeffro | !blame FieldySnuts |
| 20:22.10 | FieldySnuts | rawr |
| 20:22.16 | jeffro | lol |
| 20:22.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: still sleeping .. DnD |
| 20:22.20 | FieldySnuts | hah you are so screwed now |
| 20:22.27 | jeffro | !tell FieldySnuts about lol |
| 20:22.28 | m4lu8 | PXE... rules. |
| 20:22.29 | m4lu8 | mahaha |
| 20:22.32 | FieldySnuts | th eother person is an op |
| 20:22.34 | abrotman | jeffro: stop being an ass |
| 20:22.35 | jeffro | !lol |
| 20:22.35 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a knoppix user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 20:22.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no |
| 20:22.36 | simonrvn | fuck. we must get this kind of crap at least once a day "XXXXXX is debian, it's based on it, you f0x0rs!!!!11" "no it isn't". former party unclear on the concept of different distros.... |
| 20:22.41 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: caf is not |
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| 20:22.49 | godai | hello everybody |
| 20:22.55 | jeffro | Now stop trolling me |
| 20:22.57 | ninjagrammaton | hello godai |
| 20:22.57 | FieldySnuts | m4lu8: yes it does, 70 or 80% of our clients here in the office are thin clients |
| 20:22.57 | jeffro | :P |
| 20:22.59 | resiak | simonrvn: yeah, we need to have bans set up :) |
| 20:23.01 | godai | hello ninja |
| 20:23.07 | pumpitup_ | trolling yourself :) |
| 20:23.13 | godai | i am a newbie knoppix user |
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| 20:23.18 | m4lu8 | FieldySnuts, just got 10 dells, setting it up now, getting ... aroused. |
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| 20:23.22 | godai | i have a mouse problem |
| 20:23.22 | simonrvn | there's already a +q *!knoppix!* |
| 20:23.23 | abrotman | godai: wrong channel |
| 20:23.26 | Ronin | godai: and in the wrong channel then |
| 20:23.26 | simonrvn | er |
| 20:23.28 | rabbi | czy |
| 20:23.31 | GooooGle | Im installing Debian from the Netinstall image and i'll install X and KDE afterwards from a CD :S What do i need to get in this case? |
| 20:23.34 | simonrvn | *!knoppix@* |
| 20:23.35 | aeruder | godai: /join #knoppix |
| 20:23.36 | jeffro | godai goto #knoppix |
| 20:23.43 | ninjagrammaton | um knoppix is a debian system |
| 20:23.49 | drac | ninjagrammaton: no it's not. |
| 20:23.51 | Ronin | ninjagrammaton: no its not, its knoppix |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | ninjagrammaton: NO .. it's not |
| 20:23.54 | jeffro | but we may not support it |
| 20:23.55 | simonrvn | ninjagrammaton: no it isn't. STFU |
| 20:23.56 | nforbes | ninjagrammaton: It's based on Debian |
| 20:23.56 | keenan | haha people just don't listen |
| 20:24.04 | FieldySnuts | m4lu8: yeah we have a bunch of dell lx-700's or something with 32MB ram, no disk, onboard video and net, all works perfectly |
| 20:24.05 | stew | ninjagrammaton: its hardware detection is far from something debian based |
| 20:24.06 | godai | uhm |
| 20:24.06 | valdyn | GooooGle: we dont know, apt-get handles deps for us ) |
| 20:24.17 | GooooGle | valdyn: Ermm, k :s |
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| 20:24.19 | m4lu8 | FieldySnuts, what'd you do for swap, root fs? |
| 20:24.19 | ninjagrammaton | pardon my imperfect rhetoric |
| 20:24.21 | m4lu8 | nfs? |
| 20:24.27 | ninjagrammaton | it has a Debian kernel |
| 20:24.28 | godai | it is concerning mouse problems...couldn't you help me? |
| 20:24.31 | stew | ninjagrammaton: no it doesn't |
| 20:24.33 | drac | ninjagrammaton: no it doesn't |
| 20:24.35 | FieldySnuts | m4lu8: nothing, it runs in just about 24MB ram |
| 20:24.39 | jeffro | nope it hasnt |
| 20:24.39 | ninjagrammaton | sure does buddy |
| 20:24.40 | m4lu8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.41 | abrotman | ninjagrammaton: you should stop now :) |
| 20:24.41 | m4lu8 | nice. |
| 20:24.48 | jeffro | its told me 134 times |
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| 20:24.55 | jeffro | i believe it now |
| 20:24.59 | simonrvn | ninja_: did you read my mini-rant just now about "people unclear on the concepts of different distros" ? |
| 20:24.59 | FieldySnuts | we could use with a few +q's around here |
| 20:25.01 | pumpitup_ | this is getting lame |
| 20:25.08 | pumpitup_ | stop talking about knoppix :) |
| 20:25.09 | FieldySnuts | getting? |
| 20:25.13 | simonrvn | ninja_: sorry |
| 20:25.14 | mikey | hi, can someone help me :( i updated libc6, and now a mirror has changed (MD5 sum), and when i try and update, it says packages broken.. its libc6.. is there any way to just revert to the older package? |
| 20:25.19 | jeffro | it allready is -.-" |
| 20:25.20 | simonrvn | ninjagrammaton: did you read my mini-rant just now about "people unclear on the concepts of different distros" ? |
| 20:25.31 | ninjagrammaton | no and i dont frankly care:) about your ranting my friend |
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| 20:25.43 | jeffro | also thanks everyone who helped me |
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| 20:25.54 | pumpitup_ | thanks pumpitup :) |
| 20:26.01 | jeffro | now i can watch and listen to my |
| 20:26.08 | jeffro | files on m windows drive |
| 20:26.16 | ninjagrammaton | :) congrats jeffro |
| 20:26.20 | GoogleBoy | hey guys, I can't get my firefox to start up.... it's complains: "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: XM authorization key matches an existing client!", I only installed x-window-system, fluxbox, xchat and gkrellm.... what did I do wrong? how can I fix it? |
| 20:26.22 | resiak | ninjagrammaton: You're talking pure, unadulterated shit. Knoppix is _not_ Debian, it does _not_ have a Debian kernel, please now _shut_ _the_ _hell_ _up_" |
| 20:26.28 | jeffro | i only have windows xp because of comb problems |
| 20:26.29 | simonrvn | ninjagrammaton: i'm not your friend |
| 20:26.40 | ninjagrammaton | :) |
| 20:26.42 | valdyn | GooooGle: ps aux | grep firefox |
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| 20:26.52 | godai | well, guys |
| 20:26.57 | meursault | i cp'ed some dirs & files as root, and now i can't change them because they belong to root. what is the command to change the owner? chmod? |
| 20:26.59 | godai | bye bye! |
| 20:27.10 | pumpitup_ | meursault: man chmod |
| 20:27.11 | aeruder | meursault: the only person who can chown is root |
| 20:27.12 | mike-m | xp is zero |
| 20:27.20 | jeffro | Googleboy: apt-get update mozzilla-firefox |
| 20:27.26 | mikey | meursault, chown |
| 20:27.32 | pumpitup_ | ow owner |
| 20:27.41 | mike-m | mozilla-firefox-locale-fr or us or de |
| 20:27.46 | pumpitup_ | %) |
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| 20:27.53 | greycat | meursault: you should have used cp -a. |
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| 20:27.57 | stew | jeffro: that is not a valid command |
| 20:27.59 | GoogleBoy | jeffro, update command takes no arguments |
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| 20:28.08 | meursault | aeruder, mikey, i'll look in the man page thanks |
| 20:28.14 | simonrvn | aeruder: what? |
| 20:28.19 | takatumi | and even the package name ain't right. |
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| 20:28.24 | pumpitup_ | ha ha jeffro |
| 20:28.45 | jeffro | oh yeah |
| 20:28.47 | jeffro | w8 |
| 20:28.59 | jeffro | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 20:28.59 | ninjagrammaton | note to self: dont bring up os's resiak has never used lest he feel threatened |
| 20:29.10 | abrotman | ninjagrammaton: you're still wrong |
| 20:29.10 | ecobit | the blind leading the blind. what a sight. |
| 20:29.11 | jeffro | sorry, i forgot |
| 20:29.12 | aeruder | simonrvn: what? |
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| 20:29.25 | stew | note to self, add ninjagrammaton to the ignore list |
| 20:29.28 | abrotman | ninjagrammaton: knoppix/ubuntu/etc are NOT debian |
| 20:29.31 | simonrvn | "aeruder meursault: the only person who can chown is root" |
| 20:29.34 | simonrvn | bs |
| 20:29.39 | resiak | *plork* |
| 20:29.42 | pumpitup_ | ninjagrammaton : do you have a domain registered with 1&1? |
| 20:29.51 | stew | non-kosher killfile? |
| 20:29.51 | ninjagrammaton | no they are not debian persay |
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| 20:29.51 | rbochan | heh |
| 20:29.51 | GoogleBoy | jeffro, I installed it already... so naturally,, it says: mozilla-firefox is already newest version |
| 20:30.00 | jeffro | strange |
| 20:30.01 | abrotman | ninjagrammaton: they are not .. end of discussion |
| 20:30.08 | takatumi | oh, I thought you invented a new one, *plork* |
| 20:30.09 | ecobit | GoogleBoy: no shit because jeffros "help" was BS |
| 20:30.11 | meursault | simonrvn, i think that to make my files owned by user i cant be user, i must be root |
| 20:30.15 | Ronin | GoogleBoy: what did you install again? kde and what? |
| 20:30.24 | jeffro | apt-get remove mozilla-firefox |
| 20:30.26 | jeffro | after that |
| 20:30.28 | GoogleBoy | I just install x-window-system and then fluxbox |
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| 20:30.32 | ninjagrammaton | oh im sorry there was a discussion? |
| 20:30.34 | jeffro | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 20:30.34 | ecobit | jeffro: STFU moron |
| 20:30.36 | aeruder | simonrvn: and when can a non-root user chown? |
| 20:30.44 | pumpitup_ | ecobit : dude calm down |
| 20:30.47 | jeffro | im not a moron |
| 20:30.49 | abrotman | ninjagrammaton: no .. there isn't one .. you're just wrong :) |
| 20:30.49 | resiak | takatumi: No. oh well. |
| 20:30.50 | jeffro | im just helping |
| 20:30.52 | simonrvn | aeruder: info chown |
| 20:30.59 | ninjagrammaton | but so cute |
| 20:31.00 | GoogleBoy | jeffro, I did that procedure a few times.... I even reinstalled the god darn OS.... now that's not gonna work |
| 20:31.01 | resiak | abrotman: Make judicious use of /ignore! |
| 20:31.03 | greycat | /ignores.... get yer /ignores, 3 for a dollah... |
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| 20:31.09 | ecobit | it makes me mad to see someone telling someone to uninstall something when the problem has no connection to it |
| 20:31.12 | jeffro | umm |
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| 20:31.18 | abrotman | greycat: i'll offer 4/buck! |
| 20:31.18 | jeffro | what is the exact problem |
| 20:31.21 | pumpitup_ | GoogleBoy : installed x-window-system-core? |
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| 20:31.22 | aeruder | simonrvn: "The ownership of a file may only be altered by a super-user for obvious security reasons" |
| 20:31.22 | stew | thank god /ignores aren't actually that expensive |
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| 20:31.27 | greycat | ecobit: oh, he's actually giving *advice*?> |
| 20:31.28 | aeruder | simonrvn: was i supposed to find something else? |
| 20:31.30 | drac | [23:31] Ignoring ALL from ninjagrammaton [23:31] Ignoring ALL from jeffro. Better. |
| 20:31.38 | simonrvn | aeruder: not in all cases, duh |
| 20:31.40 | Ronin | GoogleBoy: did you also install the xserver? |
| 20:31.40 | GoogleBoy | pumpitup, it's usually part of the "apt-get install x-window-system" |
| 20:31.41 | rbochan | stew: 3 for one sale today! |
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| 20:31.50 | jeffro | What did i do? |
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| 20:31.53 | aeruder | simonrvn: in what cases CAN you then? |
| 20:31.55 | stew | greycat: and you can guess at the quality of the advice |
| 20:31.55 | GoogleBoy | Ronin, what's the package's name? |
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| 20:31.59 | Ronin | and what pumpitup_ said |
| 20:32.00 | valdyn | pumpitup_: thats just a subset of x-window-system, which he did install |
| 20:32.10 | Ronin | xsever-xfree86 |
| 20:32.12 | pumpitup_ | GoogleBoy : ow sorry didnt read that |
| 20:32.16 | ecobit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.18 | ninjagrammaton | your right abrotman: knoppix has NOTHING to do with debian, in fact when you update with apt, it doesn't even go close to where you go does it? debian.org it sux to be wrong |
| 20:32.18 | Ronin | aside from my crappy typing |
| 20:32.22 | simonrvn | aeruder: go do some reading before you spout your mouth off |
| 20:32.28 | lilalinux | strange thing: I can only set dma on my dvd if the modules ide-generic is loadad manually. If it is loaded automatically via /etc/modules at boot time I get "Operation not permitted" |
| 20:32.33 | lilalinux | Is that a known issue? |
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| 20:32.33 | ecobit | but then, i presuppose that those provide help actually can read |
| 20:32.34 | Ronin | ninjagrammaton: do you to #redhat for mandriva problems? |
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| 20:32.38 | FieldySnuts | for gods sake, +q ninja |
| 20:32.38 | jeffro | I just was trying to help someone, i just wanted to help someone (cries out loud) |
| 20:32.39 | FieldySnuts | whoever |
| 20:32.43 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.46 | abrotman | ninjagrammaton: guess what fucktard .. RPM distros use apt too .. does that make them debian? |
| 20:32.47 | redondo | Hi everybody.... does any body knows what does mean (or do) "touch build-stamp" inside the rules file for dkpg --build |
| 20:32.54 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 20:32.57 | pumpitup_ | GoogleBoy : you are running the prog as a normal user right? |
| 20:32.58 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 20:32.58 | GoogleBoy | okay, y'all.... you're just fighting.... give me a hand here.... not a freakin log up my ass |
| 20:33.11 | GoogleBoy | pumpitup_, yeah, I did run it as regular user |
| 20:33.14 | greycat | redondo: it touches a file by that name |
| 20:33.15 | FieldySnuts | ninjagrammaton: guess what, we are regulars here, i have a feeling we know what we support or do not. feel free to continue wasting your time. |
| 20:33.24 | GoogleBoy | and I also tried with su then regular user... nOthing works! |
| 20:33.26 | GoogleBoy | what's now? |
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| 20:33.36 | ninjagrammaton | :) |
| 20:33.40 | jeffro | Googleboy: always use apt-get as a root |
| 20:33.40 | valdyn | GoogleBoy: ps aux | grep firefox done yet? |
| 20:33.51 | mark | hello eric |
| 20:33.51 | Ronin | GoogleBoy: did you install xserver-xfree86 i missed your answer in ninjagrammaton rambelling |
| 20:34.03 | drac | GoogleBoy: What does 'export | grep -i display' say (as normal user) ? |
| 20:34.04 | stew | jeffro: you aren't quite following |
| 20:34.15 | OldakQuill | Anyone want to help me with a problem running a JAR application (with GUI) on the command lind. |
| 20:34.16 | pumpitup_ | jeffro is just randomly saying stuff |
| 20:34.28 | jeffro | not, just giving advice |
| 20:34.29 | OldakQuill | s/lind/line/ |
| 20:34.39 | FieldySnuts | the weekend was not this annoying. |
| 20:34.46 | stew | OldakQuill: do you have java installed? |
| 20:34.48 | jeffro | because you should never use apt-get as a normal user |
| 20:34.49 | GoogleBoy | declare -x DISPLAY=":0.0" |
| 20:34.56 | aeruder | simonrvn: excuse me... in any case where you would want to chown something, it requires root access... better? |
| 20:35.04 | valdyn | jeffro: thats bullshit |
| 20:35.05 | stew | jeffro: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 20:35.06 | drac | GoogleBoy: ok, that's correct. |
| 20:35.14 | OldakQuill | I have java installed though I recently upgraded to Testing |
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| 20:35.17 | redondo | greycat: of course... sorry for the stupid question... |
| 20:35.22 | jeffro | GoogleBoy and I also tried with su then regular user... nOthing works! |
| 20:35.24 | stew | OldakQuill: java -jar /path/to/jar |
| 20:35.27 | FieldySnuts | valdyn / stew he's trolling, ignore |
| 20:35.35 | resiak | jeffro: Except of course for getting source, when you shouldn't be root. |
| 20:35.43 | FieldySnuts | !tell edwards -about away |
| 20:35.44 | valdyn | FieldySnuts: hmm, i think hes just really dumb |
| 20:35.48 | abrotman | !tell edwards about away |
| 20:35.48 | OldakQuill | Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException: |
| 20:35.49 | OldakQuill | No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it |
| 20:35.54 | OldakQuill | That is the problem |
| 20:35.56 | FieldySnuts | @annoy abrotman |
| 20:35.56 | ravenbird | abrotman: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 20:35.57 | GoogleBoy | for the ps aux: namehere 3473 0.0 0.0 1832 580 pts/0 R+ 16:26 0:0 grep firefox |
| 20:35.58 | stew | jeffro: and he wasn't talking about apt-get in the first place |
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| 20:36.06 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i don't have that command! |
| 20:36.14 | abrotman | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 20:36.15 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: wenas who uses dvd lol |
| 20:36.16 | jeffro | he said he tried as regular user |
| 20:36.22 | jeffro | not smart..... |
| 20:36.22 | rbochan | lmao, it's mayhem in here |
| 20:36.26 | stew | jeffro: he tried firefox as regular user |
| 20:36.30 | FieldySnuts | it's abrotmans fault! |
| 20:36.32 | entheon | oooh |
| 20:36.35 | OldakQuill | Anyone familiar with that problem? |
| 20:36.38 | gilead | OldakQuill: your app requires a GUI but you don't have one there |
| 20:36.38 | stew | jeffro: like i said you aren't following |
| 20:36.40 | entheon | !irritate entheon |
| 20:36.41 | dpkg | entheon: HELP ME!!! who uses kde lol |
| 20:36.49 | jeffro | well anyway doesnt matter anymore |
| 20:36.55 | jeffro | end discussion :D |
| 20:36.59 | jeffro | i know when to stop. |
| 20:37.00 | gilead | OldakQuill: you can't run it just as you can't any other graphical app |
| 20:37.00 | pumpitup_ | ... |
| 20:37.04 | FieldySnuts | no, you do not |
| 20:37.08 | abrotman | why is it always my fault? |
| 20:37.18 | highvoltage | i'm confused who actually has the kde problem? |
| 20:37.20 | OldakQuill | I have done so before - it is since dist-upgrade I cannot |
| 20:37.23 | shingouz | because you are here, abrotman |
| 20:37.32 | OldakQuill | It doesn't know how to run it |
| 20:37.37 | gilead | OldakQuill: what app is it? |
| 20:37.40 | GoogleBoy | WELL... so what's the help on my problem?? |
| 20:37.42 | GoogleBoy | haha |
| 20:37.45 | OldakQuill | jMemorize |
| 20:37.46 | GoogleBoy | I need this thing man |
| 20:37.48 | GoogleBoy | like crack |
| 20:37.49 | abrotman | that's it .. i'm leaving! |
| 20:37.51 | stew | OldakQuill: are you tring to run it as root? is DISPLAY set? |
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| 20:37.56 | valdyn | GoogleBoy: alright, so its not a already running instance of firefox- thats all i wanted to see.. |
| 20:37.59 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: tell GoogleBoy about enter |
| 20:38.00 | shingouz | abrotman: really? |
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| 20:38.08 | abrotman | shingouz: no |
| 20:38.09 | OldakQuill | I think display is set - how would I set it to make sure? |
| 20:38.17 | drac | GoogleBoy: 'ls -l /tmp' say ? |
| 20:38.18 | jeffro | GoogleBoy, tried rebooting? |
| 20:38.18 | ninjagrammaton | entheon needed the asst. with KDE |
| 20:38.23 | greycat | OldakQuill: type "xterm" |
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| 20:38.28 | shingouz | abrotman: that is what i thought too. /me dcc sends abrotman some caffeine |
| 20:38.29 | entheon | ? |
| 20:38.34 | abrotman | shingouz: beer? |
| 20:38.36 | greycat | OldakQuill: if an xterm appears, then DISPLAY is set correctly. |
| 20:38.41 | GoogleBoy | jeffro, I think I've tried all of the intuitive actions... |
| 20:38.44 | shingouz | abrotman: caffeine != beer |
| 20:38.46 | GoogleBoy | bu thank you |
| 20:38.50 | valdyn | GoogleBoy: look at what drac sais or just reboot as one way to clear tmp stuff. |
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| 20:38.51 | stew | OldakQuill: did you just upgrade from sarge to testing or woody to testing? |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | shingouz: just as good though |
| 20:38.54 | jeffro | Ok then |
| 20:38.56 | ninjagrammaton | what was the problem with kde? entheon? maybe one of us can help you |
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| 20:39.10 | OldakQuill | Sarge -> Testing |
| 20:39.11 | Rucas | if there's a better desktop environment than WindowMaker i don't want to know |
| 20:39.24 | ninjagrammaton | there isnt :) |
| 20:39.25 | entheon | ninjagrammaton, didn't have one... that was me using the !irritate command for fun |
| 20:39.25 | jeffro | we wont tell :P |
| 20:39.29 | ninjagrammaton | ah |
| 20:39.30 | stew | OldakQuill: did xterm work like greycat said? |
| 20:39.34 | GoogleBoy | it says ssh-QzcNzx2905 |
| 20:39.34 | ninjagrammaton | cool |
| 20:39.34 | gilead | OldakQuill: well, can you run xterm? |
| 20:39.36 | GoogleBoy | what's that? |
| 20:39.38 | entheon | ninjagrammaton, if u scroll back u'll see it was dpkg "asking" me about KDE |
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| 20:39.40 | Rucas | i always liked e16 and e17 but i like WindowMaker more |
| 20:39.47 | OldakQuill | No - it says DISPLAY Not set |
| 20:39.48 | ninjagrammaton | k sorry |
| 20:39.55 | ninjagrammaton | :) |
| 20:40.14 | valdyn | !tell OldakQuill about setup x |
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| 20:40.20 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:40.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:40.37 | FieldySnuts | someone should take that url off since it makes you look at an ad first |
| 20:40.42 | drac | GoogleBoy: 'chmod 1777 /tmp' or reboot like valdyn suggested maybe some file permissions, that X uses, are fscked there. Not that incommon. |
| 20:40.44 | GoogleBoy | I'm going to reboot... |
| 20:40.58 | stew | OldakQuill: DISPLAY=:0 java -jar /path/to/jar will likely work, but you should figure out why your DISPLAY isnt being automatically set |
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| 20:41.06 | drac | GoogleBoy: do chmod still. |
| 20:41.09 | stew | OldakQuill: are you trying ot start it as the user that started x? |
| 20:41.21 | liable | GoogleBoy: are you actually in fluxbox? or terminal? |
| 20:41.38 | OldakQuill | Yes |
| 20:41.52 | GoogleBoy | liable, in terminal |
| 20:42.08 | liable | GoogleBoy: so, you dont have x running? |
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| 20:42.20 | stew | OldakQuill: sounds to me like one of your dotfiles unset DISPLAY then (or you aren't telling us the whole store) |
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| 20:43.29 | OldakQuill | When I DISPLAY:"0.0" java -jar etc. it has more problems |
| 20:43.30 | gilead | OldakQuill: do you have X running? :-) |
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| 20:45.02 | jeffro | ok i have read ALL docs on debian.org but cant find a way to set a default file manager like conqueror |
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| 20:45.21 | stew | hahahaha |
| 20:45.33 | stew | greycat: you are missing out |
| 20:45.40 | jeffro | yes stew, i know im stpid |
| 20:45.42 | stew | < jeffro> ok i have read ALL docs on debian.org... |
| 20:45.44 | pumpitup_ | you read ALL docs on debian.org |
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| 20:45.56 | pumpitup_ | youre one fast son of a ... |
| 20:45.58 | jeffro | All docs quickly |
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| 20:46.10 | jeffro | in hope finding that option |
| 20:46.29 | cooly | hi. does anyone has any suggestion where to begin with migrating from ms exchange to linux postfix Maildir format? |
| 20:46.35 | jeffro | know who knows?! |
| 20:46.39 | yaarg | lol |
| 20:46.45 | pablum | jeffro, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 20:46.57 | jeffro | pablum not web browser |
| 20:47.01 | jeffro | File browser |
| 20:47.09 | pablum | well whatever |
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| 20:47.14 | resiak | Damn, my ignore list is longer today than any weekend. |
| 20:47.20 | jeffro | like when u click the K icon and quick browser |
| 20:47.27 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do i do a keyword search on dpkg(in here) |
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| 20:47.33 | rbochan | resiak: Sunday TNG |
| 20:47.36 | greycat | The_Ultimate_Sam: /msg dpkg listvals foo |
| 20:47.42 | greycat | or listkeys |
| 20:47.59 | jeffro | !search dpkg i thaught |
| 20:48.03 | jeffro | or @find |
| 20:48.07 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ah forgot to make it plural |
| 20:48.18 | resiak | rbochan: Sunday: The Fucktards Strike Back |
| 20:48.23 | rbochan | heh |
| 20:48.24 | OldakQuill | Hmm, it works now :S |
| 20:48.37 | PerfDave | cooly: There are utilities to convert Outlook mailboxes into mbox / Maildir, but I don't know what format Exchange uses internally. |
| 20:48.38 | resiak | rbochan: (Or perhaps just Sunday Episode II: Attack of the Clones) |
| 20:48.45 | rbochan | Clods? |
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| 20:48.51 | greycat | Clowns |
| 20:48.55 | resiak | greycat++ |
| 20:48.58 | shingouz | resiak: so this is Sunday 2: Monday, The Revenge of the Fucktards? |
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| 20:49.05 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 20:49.06 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 20:49.07 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm he dosent have it. |
| 20:49.14 | resiak | shingouz: Something like that. |
| 20:49.19 | resiak | The_Ultimate_Sam: What are you looking for. |
| 20:49.20 | jeffro | how to set a file manager like nautilus as DEFAULT file manager |
| 20:49.22 | jeffro | come on! |
| 20:49.27 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok how do i install a usb controller |
| 20:49.36 | resiak | Plug it in? |
| 20:49.40 | The_Ultimate_Sam | (airflow controler) |
| 20:49.45 | rbochan | step 1) unscrew case |
| 20:49.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i tried that |
| 20:49.48 | jeffro | apt-cache search usb |
| 20:49.51 | resiak | Oh, so not a USB controller at all. |
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| 20:50.07 | The_Ultimate_Sam | no it dosent controll the usb |
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| 20:50.28 | The_Ultimate_Sam | its an airflow controller for like gaming |
| 20:50.50 | cooly | PerfDave, hm, ok outlook would be good too if i wont find exchange format, i can use imap then and export it (mozilla's imap doesnt work with exchange but outlook does). do you know any tool for it? |
| 20:50.58 | gilead | The_Ultimate_Sam: most probably it'll work as a joystick with numerous controllers |
| 20:51.01 | rabbi | are there somebody form Polend?? :] |
| 20:51.05 | resiak | !pl |
| 20:51.05 | Eulex | The_Ultimate_Sam, for making games in windy environments become more realistic? ;) |
| 20:51.05 | dpkg | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 20:51.10 | PerfDave | cooly: Any tool for what? |
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| 20:51.32 | The_Ultimate_Sam | resaik because its a controller and it works via usb port |
| 20:51.32 | cooly | PerfDave, for exporting outlook data into Maildir format |
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| 20:51.43 | resiak | The_Ultimate_Sam: Right. |
| 20:51.51 | jeffro | the_ultimate_sam: apt-get install libjsw2 |
| 20:51.52 | PerfDave | cooly: I know they exist. Google for them, or use apt-cache search? |
| 20:51.57 | The_Ultimate_Sam | eulex:it has fans in the controller for cooling your hands |
| 20:52.04 | resiak | HAH |
| 20:52.14 | resiak | That's so ridiculous! |
| 20:52.15 | jeffro | libjsw2 - Joystick Library by seraching :P |
| 20:52.15 | shingouz | what else do they invent... |
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| 20:52.19 | ABRAXAS77 | hi |
| 20:52.20 | ABRAXAS77 | somebody have lexmark z13 printer? |
| 20:52.23 | Eulex | !tell jeffro about nicktab |
| 20:52.27 | resiak | !anybody use |
| 20:52.27 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:52.29 | cooly | PerfDave, ok i tried the whole google for ms exchange, we will see how luck it will be with outlook express. thanx for suggestion |
| 20:52.29 | shingouz | !tell ABRAXAS77 about polls |
| 20:52.30 | abrotman | ABRAXAS77: why? |
| 20:52.32 | rabbi | ok very fnx and sorry :] |
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| 20:52.38 | PerfDave | cooly: apt-cache search outlook |
| 20:52.48 | ABRAXAS77 | abrotman, i want to know what put in the printers.conf |
| 20:52.57 | abrotman | in what OS ? |
| 20:53.02 | exobyte | what is a trigraph? I was compiling and got an error about trigraph ??). The string literal in the code is logf("send (??????)"); |
| 20:53.12 | jeffro | cooly: apt-get install readpst |
| 20:53.14 | cooly | PerfDave, readpst, sounds nice |
| 20:53.20 | cooly | PerfDave, thank you |
| 20:53.23 | ABRAXAS77 | abrotman, linux! |
| 20:53.26 | ABRAXAS77 | of course |
| 20:53.27 | pumpitup_ | mioum |
| 20:53.29 | abrotman | in what distro |
| 20:53.38 | ABRAXAS77 | eh...slackware :-) |
| 20:53.43 | abrotman | so ask #slackware |
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| 20:53.46 | abrotman | duh |
| 20:53.47 | shingouz | ABRAXAS77: you are in the wrong place then |
| 20:53.48 | pumpitup_ | loool |
| 20:53.53 | jeffro | !tell ABRAXAS77 about enter |
| 20:53.53 | shingouz | jfc.. |
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| 20:53.58 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup_ about lol |
| 20:54.05 | pumpitup_ | ah crap he caught me |
| 20:54.08 | ABRAXAS77 | shingouz, linux is the same |
| 20:54.12 | Eulex | uhm... slackware... that thing ain't even based on debian |
| 20:54.22 | abrotman | pumpitup_: you should be catching yourself by now |
| 20:54.23 | exobyte | !tell abrotman about tell |
| 20:54.26 | shingouz | ABRAXAS77: yes it is. apt-get install cupsys and use that then |
| 20:54.30 | abrotman | !tell exobyte about stfu |
| 20:54.38 | ABRAXAS77 | shingouz, i have cups |
| 20:54.38 | dimes | Anyone know if there is any benefit to running an emt64 compiled kernel when the rest of the os is just the standard 32bit install? Cons? |
| 20:54.41 | GoogleBoy | I restarted, firefox is still NOT fixed. help me. I need to get this working to get other stuff..... sooo..... it's still giving me that "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by servr" |
| 20:54.45 | abrotman | ABRAXAS77: wrong channel |
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| 20:54.58 | shingouz | ABRAXAS77: dpkg-reconfigure cupsys might help |
| 20:54.59 | jeffro | googleboy |
| 20:55.03 | Jappis | hi, I'm using X with TwinView/DualMonitor (nvidia,xorg,xfce4) and when I start example ET its starts on the "wrong" screen. I have primary on right and alt on left and every games, fullscreen apps, etc. starts on the left. So how can i start them on the right screen? |
| 20:55.05 | resiak | shingouz++ |
| 20:55.08 | jeffro | does xserver does not work too? |
| 20:55.09 | shingouz | ty |
| 20:55.12 | resiak | np |
| 20:55.17 | Eulex | shingouz, not on slack :) |
| 20:55.24 | ukh | exobyte: a weird and very much hated way of rewriting for instance '{' and '}' in a way compatible with the common characters in ISO646. |
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| 20:55.29 | jeffro | do you have xserver-xfree86? |
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| 20:55.37 | shingouz | Eulex: he just said that linux is the same never mind what distro. |
| 20:55.43 | cahoot | GooooGle: does'id' say you are logged in as the user that started X? |
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| 20:55.55 | greycat | shingouz: a patently false assertion. |
| 20:55.59 | exobyte | ukh: ah. Umm, I wonder what was meant by the code I have |
| 20:56.04 | GoogleBoy | jeffro, I did an apt-get install x-window-system so I have all of those |
| 20:56.07 | shingouz | greycat: don't i know that :) |
| 20:56.12 | stew | GoogleBoy: ignore him, he's clueless |
| 20:56.12 | jeffro | Is it On |
| 20:56.27 | GoogleBoy | sigh... I... nevermind... |
| 20:56.27 | drac | GoogleBoy: did you do that chmod ? |
| 20:56.28 | The_Ultimate_Sam | danke shoen *will see if it works later* ja ne |
| 20:56.32 | jeffro | GoogleBoy: u have to have gnome or kde running for firefox |
| 20:56.33 | GoogleBoy | drac, I did |
| 20:56.35 | drac | GoogleBoy: ok |
| 20:56.47 | GoogleBoy | jeffro, I only HAVE FLUXBOX!!!! |
| 20:56.48 | pumpitup_ | jeffro : no you dont |
| 20:56.56 | shingouz | jeffro: no you do not have to have gnome or kde |
| 20:56.57 | rbochan | someone needs a +q |
| 20:57.02 | jeffro | or any other window manager |
| 20:57.07 | jeffro | i meant |
| 20:57.08 | drac | GoogleBoy: How do you start your X, with startx or with Display Manager ? |
| 20:57.09 | GoogleBoy | twm |
| 20:57.16 | Eulex | jeffro, gnome and kde ain't window managers |
| 20:57.20 | shingouz | jeffro: lose the enter please |
| 20:57.21 | GoogleBoy | drac, I think it does it automatically with xdm |
| 20:57.46 | pumpitup_ | GoogleBoy any errors when starting X? |
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| 20:57.51 | jeffro | ok how is it call eulex |
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| 20:57.59 | jeffro | to prevent other misspellings |
| 20:58.01 | GoogleBoy | I'm "apt-get install konqueror" maybe it will give me some packages that I might be missing... ah I don't know |
| 20:58.12 | GoogleBoy | pumpitup_, it doesn't give me any error... no |
| 20:58.13 | shingouz | !tell jeffro about enter |
| 20:58.14 | Eulex | GoogleBoy, do you get a graphical login when booting with something like "Welcome to etc"? |
| 20:58.34 | rbochan | shingouz: been done ad nauseum |
| 20:58.39 | shingouz | yup |
| 20:58.42 | Eulex | jeffro, gnome and kde are desktop environments |
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| 20:58.45 | drac | GoogleBoy: Create .xsession to your home directory, containing 'exec /usr/bin/startfluxbox' and /etc/init.d/xdm restart (and ctrl-alt-backspace?) |
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| 20:59.13 | GoogleBoy | drac, maybe that's the solution |
| 20:59.24 | jeffro | Sometimes I need to add something i didn't think of before or else i'll be waiting hours for my sentence is finished, ok this was a long and boring sentence and gives the same efect as enters |
| 20:59.24 | GoogleBoy | I remember doing that last time I got it to work |
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| 21:00.09 | GooooGle | if i put the path [01:59] * Now talking in #whisky_ |
| 21:00.09 | GooooGle | [01:59] * Topic is 'Drop Dead Drunk' |
| 21:00.09 | GooooGle | [01:59] * Set by Whisky_ on Mon Jul 18 23:26:14 |
| 21:00.11 | GooooGle | shit |
| 21:00.12 | pumpitup_ | wow im clueless im eager to find out what it is |
| 21:00.13 | GooooGle | sorry |
| 21:00.24 | GooooGle | if i put deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ in my sources.list |
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| 21:00.37 | GooooGle | will it install the amd64 files too or only the i386? |
| 21:00.41 | greycat | then we send you off to #debian-kde when it breaks |
| 21:00.44 | jeffro | !tell GooooGle about enter |
| 21:00.46 | drac | GoogleBoy: then you propably won't have a working KDE.. |
| 21:01.03 | Eulex | jeffro, did you even read the tells you got? |
| 21:01.07 | jeffro | es |
| 21:01.26 | jeffro | yes, ii did and i appoligiee for the mistake of pressing enter |
| 21:01.40 | GoogleBoy | !KDE |
| 21:01.41 | dpkg | kde is, like, a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 21:01.43 | drac | GoogleBoy: Sorry, nick completion. |
| 21:01.44 | jeffro | Now if i made a mistake i cant correct my self anymore |
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| 21:02.25 | GooooGle | if i put deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ in my sources.list and that location has amd64 files too, will it install the amd64 files too or only the i386? |
| 21:02.31 | ma3x | hello |
| 21:02.40 | ma3x | please give me link for NEW way of kernel compiling? |
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| 21:02.46 | ma3x | that bot didnt help much |
| 21:02.52 | shingouz | eauuuggghhh.. /me wanders off for a while |
| 21:02.56 | rbochan | ma3x: newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 21:03.00 | Eulex | !make-kpkg |
| 21:03.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd ... |
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| 21:03.38 | Eulex | ma3x, what is your problem? |
| 21:03.48 | ma3x | Eulex: I got my .config |
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| 21:03.54 | ma3x | then i type make && make install |
| 21:03.57 | ma3x | and then what? |
| 21:04.21 | Eulex | ma3x, you don't |
| 21:04.26 | greycat | ma3x: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:04.27 | drac | ma3x: If you need to ask.. then you install Debian kernel-image with apt-get. |
| 21:04.35 | GoogleBoy | okay, ladies and gents... so konqueror works on my computer..... now what to do with firefox??? I want to ultimately get rid of konqueror... and use only firefox |
| 21:04.42 | hid3 | Is there such feature in debian/sshd that would disconnect any client who is connected via ssh and is *idle* more than N minutes? |
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| 21:04.44 | ma3x | and i always get this damn error Clock skew detected. |
| 21:05.07 | greycat | fix your clock |
| 21:05.07 | PerfDave | hid3: There are a couple. Read the manpages ;) |
| 21:05.15 | ma3x | is it kernel 2.6.12.3 available with apt-get? |
| 21:05.17 | pablum | GoogleBoy, did you look at 318645 on bts? |
| 21:05.22 | ma3x | greycat how do i fix it!? |
| 21:05.26 | greycat | hid3: man sshd_config |
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| 21:05.28 | rbochan | hid3: in particular man sshd_config |
| 21:05.30 | greycat | ma3x: /msg dpkg set the time |
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| 21:05.35 | GoogleBoy | pablum, what's that? |
| 21:05.38 | Eulex | ma3x, use make-kpkg, and nope, kernel 2.6.12.3 is not available in debian |
| 21:05.49 | mwilson | grrrr |
| 21:05.49 | jeffro | !tell me about lol |
| 21:05.50 | pablum | !bts |
| 21:05.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:05.56 | hid3 | well dunno about sshd_config.. it seemed to me that it disconnected active sessions also :( |
| 21:05.57 | ma3x | Eulex what's the latest kernel? |
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| 21:06.10 | jeffro | 2.6.12.3 |
| 21:06.22 | Eulex | ma3x, latest kernel in debian is 2.6.11 |
| 21:06.22 | jeffro | i thaught so |
| 21:06.25 | roral | ma3x: look at www.kernel.org, it always has the latest version in every series |
| 21:06.34 | ma3x | who speaks right now? |
| 21:06.37 | pablum | GoogleBoy, you can also use 'querybts 318645' |
| 21:06.45 | ma3x | Eulex jeffro ? |
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| 21:06.50 | Eulex | ma3x, both |
| 21:06.59 | ma3x | well he said 2.6.12.3 |
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| 21:07.05 | ma3x | Eulex you said 2.6.11 |
| 21:07.10 | ma3x | which one should i install? |
| 21:07.15 | Eulex | ma3x, 2.6.11 is new newest in debian, 2.6.12.3 is the newest from the kernel developers |
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| 21:07.43 | roral | debian kernel packages are always a bit behind the latest official release. |
| 21:07.48 | Eulex | ma3x, you can't apt-get 2.6.12.3, and it hasn't got debian patches, that's the difference |
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| 21:08.50 | ansong | thats weird, xorg is out for unstable? i've got testing and xserver-xorg is an available package... should i not try to install yet? |
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| 21:09.21 | nagual | no |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | ansong: probably not |
| 21:09.31 | nagual | if you have to ask, the answer is no |
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| 21:09.36 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 21:09.47 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 21:09.51 | PerfDave | I'm not going to try installing xorg until it works in Etch with the nvidia stuff with no fecking about |
| 21:09.54 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5523 kB, Installed size: 15540 kB |
| 21:10.00 | abrotman | ansong: guess you're not running etch :) |
| 21:10.15 | Eulex | ansong, xserver-xorg is not in testing, you are either in unstable or have an unofficial apt repo with xorg |
| 21:10.22 | nicknicknick | anyone experienced in using eAccelerator on debian sarge with apache2 and php4? |
| 21:10.31 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 21:10.32 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 21:10.58 | abrotman | nicknicknick: that's not in debian is it ? |
| 21:11.09 | nicknicknick | well it on dotdeb |
| 21:11.13 | nicknicknick | it's |
| 21:11.13 | abrotman | good .. go ask #php |
| 21:11.21 | abrotman | it's not in debian .. ask them .. or the maintainer |
| 21:11.45 | nicknicknick | well there are debian packages. You mean they are unoffcial? |
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| 21:11.51 | abrotman | yes .. and not supported here |
| 21:11.55 | nicknicknick | aah |
| 21:12.02 | nicknicknick | makes sense |
| 21:12.05 | nicknicknick | sorry to bother |
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| 21:13.34 | cddesjar | here's a simple but perhaps naive question |
| 21:13.48 | cddesjar | would arcview 3.3 for unix work on linux? |
| 21:13.55 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.55 | ansong | abrotman, i'm running etch all right. for some reason i thought if i had a package pinned (unstable) that only that package would be listed from unstable. i guess not though huh? |
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| 21:14.03 | GoogleBoy | hey, when I installed konqueror... it was like a load of 100MB... but when I uninstalled it.... it only took 8MB out... hm... deborphan only returns a few libs.... where do the other stuff go? |
| 21:14.12 | abrotman | ansong: guess not .. whoops :) |
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| 21:14.26 | PerfDave | cddesjar: What is this "arcview 3.3" of which you speak? |
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| 21:14.31 | Eulex | cddesjar, if you compile it yourself -- probably |
| 21:14.38 | cddesjar | it's a GIS program |
| 21:14.40 | cahoot | GoogleBoy: spyware ring a bell? |
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| 21:14.55 | abrotman | GoogleBoy: libraries |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | GoogleBoy: deborphan might help |
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| 21:15.14 | cddesjar | but there is enough of a true difference between unix and linux that it wouldn't work without some work |
| 21:15.16 | exobyte | How can I extract an rpm? I want to do dpkg -x foo.rmp . (if that helps) |
| 21:15.16 | cddesjar | ? |
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| 21:15.28 | GoogleBoy | abrotman, I did that... it only returns a few lib names... I remember a whole bunch were installed |
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| 21:15.39 | abrotman | GoogleBoy: it's recursive :) |
| 21:15.41 | Eulex | cddesjar, why don't you try yourself? |
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| 21:15.53 | cddesjar | cause it cost 2000 USD |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | exobyte: use rpm |
| 21:16.04 | abrotman | exobyte: or convert it with alien |
| 21:16.05 | exobyte | abrotman: a debian port of it? |
| 21:16.07 | liable | GoogleBoy: dpkg -l |grep kde* |
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| 21:16.09 | GoogleBoy | abrotman, what does that mean in term of removing a package? it removes it automatically? |
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| 21:16.12 | abrotman | !info rpm sarge |
| 21:16.17 | dpkg | rpm: (Red Hat package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 4.0.4-31 (sarge), Packaged size: 504 kB, Installed size: 1976 kB |
| 21:16.21 | abrotman | GoogleBoy: no .. just shows it to you |
| 21:16.35 | PerfDave | exobyte: What are you actually trying to do with this rpm? |
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| 21:16.57 | jeffro | how to force to close a application |
| 21:17.09 | PerfDave | cddesjar: What is GIS? What form does the program take? Is it a script? A binary? Source code? What platform was it intended for? |
| 21:17.42 | jeffro | how to force to close a application?!?!?!!?!!??! |
| 21:17.44 | exobyte | PerfDave: long story, kinda. I manually compiled something for an imbedded system. I walked through the make log and used a crosscompiler. I want to see where everything goes, if I missed something, etc., but there isn |
| 21:17.48 | ma3x | kernel-package is already the newest version. |
| 21:17.50 | ma3x | i get that |
| 21:17.51 | exobyte | PerfDave: isn't a .deb for it |
| 21:17.56 | GoogleBoy | liable, can I remove those packages? |
| 21:18.00 | ma3x | whats tha supposed to mean |
| 21:18.04 | ma3x | where is the package then? |
| 21:18.09 | GoogleBoy | liable, that relates to kde? |
| 21:18.20 | PerfDave | exobyte: Why not just compile it again from souce, straight into /usr/local? |
| 21:18.28 | jeffro | someone, how do i close wine, it wont close |
| 21:18.33 | PerfDave | exobyte: You can use various Debian tools to manipulate and unpack RPMs though. |
| 21:18.34 | liable | GoogleBoy: if you only have flux box, I would imagine konqueror pulled them in. |
| 21:18.45 | exobyte | PerfDave: compiling I can do, but installing, I can't |
| 21:18.47 | GoogleBoy | liable, I think so. I'm going to remove them |
| 21:18.48 | abrotman | exobyte: embedded |
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| 21:19.04 | exobyte | abrotman: I caught that. something didn't look right |
| 21:19.06 | PerfDave | exobyte: Eh? |
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| 21:19.41 | exobyte | PerfDave: heh |
| 21:19.42 | SephoPSP | hi all |
| 21:19.44 | ma3x | We do not seem to be in a top level linux kernel source directory |
| 21:19.44 | ma3x | tree. Since we are trying to make a kernel package, that does not make |
| 21:19.44 | ma3x | sense. Please change directory to a top level linux kernel source |
| 21:19.44 | ma3x | directory, and try again. (If I am wrong, and this is indeed a top |
| 21:19.44 | ma3x | level linux kernel source directory, then I have gotten sadly out of |
| 21:19.45 | ma3x | date with current kernels, and you should upgrade kernel-package) |
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| 21:19.56 | ma3x | what is that message, whats wrong |
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| 21:20.04 | Eulex | pebkac |
| 21:20.05 | jeffro | you flooded |
| 21:20.12 | ma3x | sorry |
| 21:20.16 | jbmigel | any other GAIM users having trouble logging on for last couple days? mine locks up at "Transferring" and never returns |
| 21:20.32 | liable | ma3x: read the error, pretty self explanitory. |
| 21:20.32 | Eulex | jbmigel, sid? |
| 21:20.38 | jbmigel | Eulex sarge |
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| 21:20.52 | ma3x | liable that means i am not of the top / |
| 21:20.54 | ma3x | right? |
| 21:20.57 | Eulex | jbmigel, hmm |
| 21:21.15 | Eulex | ma3x, "top level linux kernel source directory" |
| 21:21.27 | ma3x | so where is that? |
| 21:21.29 | stew | ma3x: cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.x |
| 21:21.32 | liable | cd /into/kernel-source-blah. or /linux if you made the symlink. |
| 21:21.40 | stew | and you shouldn't make the symlink |
| 21:21.45 | ma3x | there is no such |
| 21:21.52 | ma3x | this /usr/src has only rpm |
| 21:21.56 | stew | ma3x: /usr/src/linux-2.x.x |
| 21:21.57 | stew | rpm? |
| 21:22.00 | stew | wtf |
| 21:22.03 | ma3x | yeah only rpm/ |
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| 21:22.06 | SephoPSP | anybody knows where country is debian? like redhat american, ubuntu african, etc... |
| 21:22.06 | ma3x | no kernel in there |
| 21:22.19 | stew | ma3x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:22.21 | Eulex | SephoPSP, debian is global |
| 21:22.34 | stew | SephoPSP: debian isn't a company |
| 21:22.35 | ma3x | changed to unstable |
| 21:22.42 | rbochan | SephoPSP: http://www.us.debian.org/intro/about |
| 21:22.44 | stew | ma3x: that was probably a bad idea |
| 21:22.54 | ma3x | yeah my neighbour told me! |
| 21:22.57 | stew | ma3x: did you downlaod kenrel source? |
| 21:23.02 | ma3x | yeah and deleted it |
| 21:23.08 | abrotman | ma3x: is your neighbor Ghurken? |
| 21:23.11 | ma3x | i can download again |
| 21:23.15 | GoogleBoy | is there a way to remove ALL deborphans at the same time with out writing the names out manually? |
| 21:23.15 | ma3x | ghurken? |
| 21:23.16 | abrotman | how do i spell that |
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| 21:23.17 | ma3x | no he's tomato! |
| 21:23.21 | rbochan | abrotman: pfffffffft |
| 21:23.23 | abrotman | i'm serious |
| 21:23.24 | Eulex | ma3x, if you can't compile a kernel, you probably can't run sid without messing it up |
| 21:23.27 | DoppelGanger | ethe killer tomato |
| 21:23.30 | stew | ma3x: apt-cache search kernel-source ; apt-get install one of them |
| 21:23.30 | abrotman | rbochan: that's tarzeau's real name |
| 21:23.34 | liable | ma3x: well, wtf do you think you can compile a kernel without source? |
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| 21:23.40 | abrotman | gürkan sengün |
| 21:23.40 | abrotman | see |
| 21:23.41 | deadcat | woohoo. dist-upgrade is good to go for unstable. (= |
| 21:23.45 | rbochan | ahh |
| 21:23.53 | ma3x | well dpkg won't fetch the source? |
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| 21:23.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: life sucks |
| 21:23.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: does not! |
| 21:24.00 | tarzeau | SUCKS |
| 21:24.04 | DoppelGanger | big time |
| 21:24.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: beans over the frank? |
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| 21:24.16 | stew | GoogleBoy: deborphan ; if the list is non empty, then deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove |
| 21:24.27 | Eulex | !won't |
| 21:24.27 | dpkg | You're right, I won't. |
| 21:24.29 | SuperTony | alguien habla espaņol aki |
| 21:24.34 | Eulex | !es |
| 21:24.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:25.14 | SuperTony | amos a ver |
| 21:25.19 | SuperTony | yo soy novato en linux |
| 21:25.26 | Eulex | ma3x, "won't fetch the source" is not a good description |
| 21:25.26 | ma3x | any idea when will be firefox 1.0.5 avail. for stable? |
| 21:25.32 | SuperTony | como instalo un tema en gnome en guadalinux 2004 |
| 21:25.33 | Eulex | ma3x, never |
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| 21:25.37 | ma3x | Eulex : im fetching it now |
| 21:25.42 | ma3x | dont worry |
| 21:25.52 | stew | SuperTony: /join #debian-es |
| 21:25.54 | SephoPSP | and where's ian murdok from? |
| 21:26.07 | Eulex | ma3x, sarge do just get security updates |
| 21:26.22 | Overand | !lame |
| 21:26.22 | dpkg | it has been said that lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 21:26.27 | stew | SephoPSP: he currently resides in Indianna, USA |
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| 21:26.46 | jbmigel | SephoPSP what does that matter... is linux finnish cuz linus if from finland?? |
| 21:26.54 | ma3x | Eulex : can i get security updates with synaptic? |
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| 21:27.18 | Eulex | ma3x, yes, if you are running stable -- but weren't you running unstable? |
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| 21:27.37 | SephoPSP | thanks staniel |
| 21:27.40 | SephoPSP | [stew] sorry |
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| 21:27.57 | stew | ma3x: only stable and oldstable get security updates |
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| 21:28.10 | ma3x | Eulex Eulex : my neighbour changed /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:28.15 | ma3x | he put sid instead of stable there |
| 21:28.22 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 21:28.29 | ma3x | and ran some dpkg- update |
| 21:28.30 | ma3x | and install |
| 21:28.30 | DoppelGanger | complain the the good neighbors association he eh |
| 21:28.33 | ma3x | and he went to sleeep |
| 21:28.36 | DoppelGanger | to* |
| 21:28.38 | fudoreaper | what is the "correct" way to upgrade woody to sarge? |
| 21:28.40 | abrotman | ma3x: he's not a nice guy |
| 21:28.46 | ma3x | so how do i find out what am i running now? |
| 21:28.48 | abrotman | !tell fudoreaper about woody->sarge |
| 21:28.49 | stew | forcemaster: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 21:28.51 | PerfDave | fudoreaper: Read the Sarge release notes |
| 21:28.56 | ma3x | and most of my apps are ruined now :( |
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| 21:29.05 | Eulex | ma3x, check sources.list |
| 21:29.05 | fudoreaper | thx, all |
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| 21:29.15 | stew | ma3x: this was a particularly bad time to move to sid |
| 21:29.25 | ma3x | deb ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/debian/ sid main |
| 21:29.25 | ma3x | deb-src ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/debian/ sid main |
| 21:29.30 | ma3x | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 21:29.39 | stew | ma3x: i would recommend you reinstall and stick with sarge or etch |
| 21:29.53 | jbmigel | so nobody knows any troubles connecting GAIM 1.2.1 (SARGE) to msn network eh? hangs for me connecting, maybe protocol was modified recently and i should get from sid?? |
| 21:30.05 | Eulex | don't paste in here -- but in this case, why couldn't you just tell us? |
| 21:30.26 | Eulex | jbmigel, it works well in testing |
| 21:30.32 | ma3x | Eulex : i checked on the debian site and only firefox 1.0.4 is available to stable |
| 21:30.35 | ma3x | but no 1.0.5 |
| 21:30.39 | ma3x | so how exactly do you install it? |
| 21:30.49 | DoppelGanger | panic panic panic |
| 21:30.58 | Eulex | ma3x, as I told you, 1.0.5 will never be available for sarge |
| 21:31.26 | jbmigel | Eulex please can you tell me what version testing has it is possible we have same version and i have different problem? |
| 21:31.39 | ma3x | but is 1.0.4 good? |
| 21:31.57 | Eulex | jbmigel, 1:1.3.1-2 |
| 21:32.05 | PerfDave | ma3x: 1.0.4 works fine for me |
| 21:32.10 | Eulex | ma3x, why shouldn't it be? |
| 21:32.17 | jbmigel | Eulex ok thanks ill upgrade and see! |
| 21:32.20 | ma3x | ok then |
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| 21:32.32 | ma3x | hey btw, my neighbour told me to use icewm |
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| 21:32.35 | blackout | how can i get aclocal to look in /usr/local/share/aclocal and not just /usr/share/aclocal? |
| 21:32.36 | ma3x | but i dont like it |
| 21:32.40 | ma3x | what do u guys use? |
| 21:32.41 | blackout | is there some type of path to edit? |
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| 21:33.05 | Eulex | jbmigel, btw, what were you trying to connect to with gaim? msn? |
| 21:33.06 | jco | hi, anyone using an ATI FireGL Mobility V5000 here? |
| 21:33.22 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 21:33.22 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:33.36 | Eulex | and ma3x, that is a poll, not a question |
| 21:33.59 | pablum | oi. cow-orker is sending me a >100MB file via email. |
| 21:34.06 | ma3x | ok what do you use, desktop manager or window manager? |
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| 21:34.10 | ma3x | what's better? |
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| 21:34.17 | Eulex | !better |
| 21:34.18 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:34.20 | pablum | because he can't remember how to put it on the server. |
| 21:34.23 | beardy | ma3x: What's wrong with the version you are using now, what function is available in the other one, that you don't have? |
| 21:34.56 | ma3x | beardy it's just nice to stick up2date with all applications |
| 21:35.07 | Eulex | ma3x, no |
| 21:35.16 | beardy | ma3x: Catch all bugs before they get fixed you mean? |
| 21:35.22 | ma3x | make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 21:35.33 | ma3x | and then i get like 3000 questions |
| 21:35.37 | ma3x | i already got my .config |
| 21:35.39 | ma3x | how do i load it? |
| 21:35.43 | Eulex | ma3x, you sound like someone who would run fc4 |
| 21:35.52 | stew | ma3x: make oldconfig |
| 21:35.58 | Eulex | ma3x, put it in the same directory and do make oldconfig |
| 21:36.01 | stew | !wayc ma3x |
| 21:36.01 | dpkg | ma3x: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 21:36.19 | Eulex | yeah, that too |
| 21:36.54 | ma3x | i am following make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 21:36.56 | ma3x | ah |
| 21:36.59 | ma3x | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html |
| 21:37.02 | ma3x | that i meant |
| 21:37.04 | ma3x | is no good? |
| 21:37.13 | Eulex | ma3x, why are you compiling? |
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| 21:37.26 | PerfDave | ma3x: Why are you compiling your own kernel instead of using one of the provided and well-tested kernel-image packages? |
| 21:37.43 | ma3x | because i don't know how! |
| 21:37.51 | ma3x | where is a step by step manual? |
| 21:38.02 | stew | ma3x: apt-cache search kernel-image ; pick one ; apt-get install it |
| 21:38.03 | PerfDave | ma3x: apt-cache search kernel-image. Pick one. Install it. |
| 21:38.09 | drac | compiling own kernel increases virtual pen..is.. |
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| 21:39.12 | plb | hey guys whats the url to the unofficial mplayer repo |
| 21:39.21 | stew | plb: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:39.26 | plb | thanks |
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| 21:40.33 | ma3x | ok i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 21:40.42 | ma3x | now what, how do i load my .config? |
| 21:40.49 | ma3x | make oldconfig? |
| 21:40.53 | ma3x | or is that for the compiling process? |
| 21:41.04 | Pego | hi i need a tip really quick :/ i used find / -xdev | cpio -padms /dest for copy whole partition but in final space an't the same |
| 21:41.07 | Angelo- | that's for compiling |
| 21:41.10 | PerfDave | ma3x: You don't need to do anything like that. YOu've installed a precompiled kernel image. |
| 21:41.11 | Eulex | ma3x, that is a kernel image, it is already compiled |
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| 21:41.43 | ma3x | Eulex : then i need a custom image because those captive-static tools told me so |
| 21:41.47 | ma3x | i want the damn tools |
| 21:41.52 | pablum | tricksters |
| 21:41.55 | ma3x | otherwise i can't write to my ntfs partitions |
| 21:41.59 | PerfDave | captive-static? |
| 21:42.01 | ma3x | yeah! |
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| 21:42.17 | PerfDave | Oh, who cares about bloody NTFS? It's shite :) |
| 21:42.31 | ma3x | okay anyway after apt-get installation, should i edit grub, or will it recognize the changes automatically? |
| 21:42.33 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:42.39 | ma3x | ah it did |
| 21:42.42 | ma3x | just saw, right. |
| 21:42.58 | HamIII | I'm pretty sure I got hacked. I found in cron.daily a 00webalizer that at the bottom opened sshd which was stored in /usr/libexec/openssh there were many more files install ps pstree netstat dsniff.services mrtg ... How do I figure out how they got in?? |
| 21:43.14 | ma3x | hm |
| 21:43.18 | ma3x | gotta try the new kernel |
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| 21:43.24 | PerfDave | HamIII: Turn off your computer, remove the hard drive, give it to a specialist. |
| 21:43.48 | stew | HamIII: what version fo debian are you running? |
| 21:44.09 | stew | (out of curiosity more than anything) |
| 21:44.12 | HamIII | I was running woody when I was cracked |
| 21:44.26 | Eulex | cracked != hacked |
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| 21:45.16 | DoppelGanger | no matter how good an OS, poor security implementation always hurts |
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| 21:45.25 | HamIII | It was back in april. I didn't figure it out till yesterday when the junk they were mailing themselves got bounced back because their yahoo email wasn't good anymore |
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| 21:45.29 | DoppelGanger | aka sysadmin configure tht box |
| 21:45.30 | stew | HamIII: how good are you about keep it up to date? |
| 21:45.46 | outlaw84 | what is the bug report tool for debian called? |
| 21:45.46 | HamIII | about every two weeks |
| 21:45.53 | stew | outlaw84: reportbug |
| 21:46.01 | streuner | outlaw84: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:46.07 | streuner | outlaw84: too |
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| 21:46.46 | stew | HamIII: most of the recent intrusions i've seen on client boxes were either someone bruteforcing a weak password or one of the many recent awstats holes but doesn't necessarily mean anything to you |
| 21:47.21 | nvz | I just saw quite possibly the nastiest thing I ever seen in my life |
| 21:47.39 | HamIII | yea I looked back though logs and had a bunch of ssh trys |
| 21:47.43 | streuner | stew: are you running awstats by yourself? :-/ |
| 21:47.50 | asuffield | nvz: you've been looking at debconf photos? |
| 21:47.55 | nvz | heh |
| 21:47.59 | HamIII | Needless to say I hadn't been checking the logs often enough |
| 21:48.11 | streuner | asuffield: which URL? |
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| 21:48.16 | asuffield | "hey, pull your boxers up, we don't need to see your arse crack" |
| 21:48.17 | streuner | s/which/what/ |
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| 21:48.22 | stew | streuner: i had removed it from a bunch of client's boxes when the last dsa came out, but some of them reinstalled it from source |
| 21:48.25 | ma3x | why do i want custom built kernel |
| 21:48.26 | nvz | no, I was walking home and these people had two dogs in their yard, one hunched over taking a shit, and the other eating the shit right out of his ass. |
| 21:48.29 | asuffield | streuner: I'm hoping nobody photographed that |
| 21:48.31 | ma3x | cause nothing works |
| 21:48.36 | nvz | not even letting it hit the ground first, mind you |
| 21:48.38 | streuner | asuffield: too late :-) |
| 21:48.46 | ma3x | the kernel should load my hardware configuration |
| 21:48.51 | ma3x | and not everyones |
| 21:49.28 | PerfDave | ma3x: You don't know what you're talking about, squire. |
| 21:49.31 | stew | ma3x: are you trying to ask a question? if its "why do i want custom built kernel?" then the answer is you probably don't |
| 21:49.46 | chealer | nvz: oh, you mean it wasn't even humans doing it? |
| 21:49.46 | nvz | dont have to worry about cleaning up after those dogs |
| 21:49.56 | chealer | hahaha |
| 21:49.56 | ma3x | no, somebody asked me before why i need a custom built kernel |
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| 21:50.10 | PeterB | nvz: Think of it as slightly used food |
| 21:50.12 | ma3x | because it should adopted for my box |
| 21:50.30 | stew | ma3x: if a debian kernel doesn't work, i'd say your chances of getting a custom one to work are worse |
| 21:50.34 | nvz | PeterB: that dog was thinking of it as a hot meal, I guess |
| 21:50.35 | streuner | asuffield: Can you give us some URL which is 'clean'? |
| 21:50.50 | Eulex | ma3x, why? a stock kernel will most probably have all modules you need |
| 21:50.51 | nvz | PeterB: I can only imagine what they feed him, that he'd rather eat that |
| 21:50.52 | PerfDave | ma3x: Debian kernel images *are* adapted for your box. They're *module*, they only load what they need to for your system. |
| 21:50.55 | asuffield | streuner: no |
| 21:51.10 | ma3x | alright then, how do i get to write to ntfs? |
| 21:51.15 | ma3x | that's not enabled |
| 21:51.21 | streuner | asuffield: hm, debconf pictures are really rare, atm :-) |
| 21:51.22 | ma3x | and i've seen that option in the .config |
| 21:51.39 | rbochan | ma3x: don't, unless of course, you want the data to die |
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| 21:51.48 | gentoothreefour | is it possible to get a console background while your in the console working it? |
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| 21:52.16 | PerfDave | ma3x: Native Linux NTFS write support is not at all useful. |
| 21:52.20 | nvz | gentoothreefour: what? |
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| 21:52.44 | rbochan | gentoothreefour: try a transparency sheet? |
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| 21:53.14 | ma3x | PerfDave : how about http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
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| 21:53.18 | ma3x | is that useful? |
| 21:53.24 | nvz | rbochan: I can't believe you would even try amusing such a question |
| 21:53.33 | rbochan | ;p |
| 21:53.43 | PerfDave | ma3x: Not to me, I just don't use NTFS :) |
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| 21:54.11 | nvz | that raised a parse error for me |
| 21:54.23 | PerfDave | ma3x: There is no native Linux NTFS write support. The best you can do is bodge things by loading Windows drivers directly into your Linux kernel. If that doesn't fill you with a sense of revulsion, it probably should. |
| 21:54.30 | nvz | EMAKESNOSENSE |
| 21:54.53 | PerfDave | ma3x: If you *do* want to bodge Windows drivers, the easiest way to do it is with ndiswrapper. You can compile ndiswrapper as a module for your Debian kernel-image using module-assistant. |
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| 21:55.01 | FieldySnuts | efuckinmorons |
| 21:55.10 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 21:55.20 | Pego | anyone can tell me why when i make a tar like a cp or cpio i haven't the same size on source and on destination ? please |
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| 21:55.30 | stew | ma3x: are you following the installation instructions on the captiventfs site? |
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| 21:55.38 | ma3x | stew: tried before |
| 21:55.42 | ma3x | i'll try again now |
| 21:55.46 | nvz | Pego: what were you expecting? |
| 21:55.56 | Pego | same size |
| 21:55.56 | ma3x | PerfDave : explain about that module-assist. please |
| 21:55.59 | mihai_ | can you please give the nvidia drivers installation guide ? |
| 21:56.08 | Pego | nvz: it dunno if it's normal i perhaps lost data |
| 21:56.11 | nvz | Pego: sorry, read that wrong |
| 21:56.13 | stew | ma3x: (btw. i don't recommend it, i was just wondering where you got the idea to compile a kernel) |
| 21:56.15 | FieldySnuts | apparently the hour of mass bad engrish is upon us |
| 21:56.20 | nvz | Pego: I thought you said it _was_ the same size |
| 21:56.25 | ma3x | hey since that guy converted my box to unstable |
| 21:56.27 | Pego | nvz: ho |
| 21:56.30 | rbochan | FieldySnuts: wat u sayin? |
| 21:56.33 | ma3x | most of my applications are not working anymore |
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| 21:56.38 | ma3x | how do i reinstall all of them |
| 21:56.48 | DoppelGanger | someone shoot him |
| 21:56.52 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg install debian |
| 21:56.59 | rbochan | some guy converted your box to unstable? |
| 21:57.00 | ma3x | you mean reinstall from scratch? |
| 21:57.02 | PerfDave | ma3x: You're running unstable. Things tend not to work in unstable. To get back to stable, you'll have to reinstall from scratch. |
| 21:57.04 | nvz | Pego: my brain is having trouble recovering from reading gentoothreefour's question 15 times |
| 21:57.06 | ma3x | rbochan yeah |
| 21:57.07 | FieldySnuts | you don't. if that person didn't explain that, they should be shot in the head |
| 21:57.17 | Pego | nobody know if it's normal ti have not the same size before and after a tar ? |
| 21:57.21 | rbochan | why did you let some guy convert your box to unstable? |
| 21:57.44 | ma3x | because he promised me, that many guys develop stuff, and they are only available to the unstable version |
| 21:57.45 | stew | rbochan: you don't actually expect a meaningful answer do you? |
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| 21:57.52 | ma3x | and stable might never get those feutures |
| 21:57.53 | Eulex | Pego, why would they have the same size? |
| 21:58.03 | Crell | Running Sid is OK if you know what you're doing and no major transitions are in progress. Right now, there are at least two major transitions in process. Bad time to be on Sid. :-) |
| 21:58.05 | rbochan | stew: at this point, it's almost about entertainment |
| 21:58.08 | FieldySnuts | otherwise, he let that happen without fully understanding what that meant |
| 21:58.16 | FieldySnuts | boy the moron factor is extremely high today |
| 21:58.22 | jshoenberger | ouch |
| 21:58.25 | Pego | Eulex: are are the same files :/ i tried a cp and it's not the same size too |
| 21:58.35 | ma3x | it sounds to me like Lord Sith now! |
| 21:58.41 | ma3x | pretty fucked up |
| 21:58.44 | PerfDave | ma3x: The stable release of Debian doesn't get any new software, just security updates. That's why it's good, because it's stable and doesn't crash. It's definitely where you want to start in Debian. |
| 21:59.09 | ma3x | so now there's no way going back to stable |
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| 21:59.12 | Eulex | Pego, what are you trying to say? |
| 21:59.13 | ma3x | but reinstall, right |
| 21:59.13 | ma3x | ? |
| 21:59.16 | stew | yes |
| 21:59.17 | Eulex | ma3x, yes |
| 21:59.19 | nvz | ma3x: you got it |
| 21:59.22 | FieldySnuts | no. blame the person who did that, who failed to explain that. that is extremely sloppy. |
| 21:59.31 | FieldySnuts | and tell us who it is so we can lart them |
| 21:59.33 | beardy | ma3x: That is correct. |
| 21:59.39 | ma3x | damn |
| 21:59.40 | Pego | Eulex: i just want copy a dir from one partition to another and be sure i haven't loos anything |
| 21:59.44 | jshoenberger | What's the bash command to check if a variable is empty? |
| 21:59.52 | ma3x | okay i got this CD with ~ 180 MB iso |
| 21:59.55 | ma3x | what else do i need? |
| 22:00.00 | Eulex | !lart whoever told ma3x to upgrade to unstable |
| 22:00.01 | rbochan | Eulex: if I"m understanding properly, file A = 323k, but after scp, file A = 329k |
| 22:00.02 | ma3x | i got a fast connection |
| 22:00.06 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:00.11 | ma3x | but it took 40 mins yesterday |
| 22:00.13 | ma3x | no easier way? |
| 22:00.16 | nvz | ma3x: if you put /home on a different partition, you can backup /etc there too, and dpkg --get-selections > selections and then reinstall without formatting home and pretty easily restore things |
| 22:00.16 | beardy | jshoenberger: echo $foo ? |
| 22:00.18 | Crell | ma3x: The NetInstall CD, a fast connection, and a computer. |
| 22:00.25 | ma3x | btw, do you suggest me to install on external usb 2.0 drive? |
| 22:00.27 | ma3x | is that okay? |
| 22:00.42 | FieldySnuts | hell no, slow |
| 22:00.45 | jshoenberger | beardy I'm bash scripting, if [ echo$foo ] doesn't serve my purpose :P |
| 22:00.51 | ma3x | okay about the partitions |
| 22:01.01 | ma3x | now i got 8 GB /home and 2 GB / |
| 22:01.09 | ma3x | is it not better 10 GB / / |
| 22:01.12 | Eulex | Pego, diff the directories? |
| 22:01.17 | ma3x | i mean just the slash / |
| 22:01.25 | ma3x | what do i need home for? |
| 22:01.31 | PerfDave | ma3x: If you don't know what you're doing, just have / and swap |
| 22:01.44 | Crell | ma3x: So you can reformat and reinstall / without deleting what's in /home. :) |
| 22:01.47 | stew | jshoenberger: if [ -z "$foo" ]; |
| 22:01.48 | ma3x | yeah, im just wondering why when i chose desktop, it partitioned like that |
| 22:01.56 | Crell | That's why. |
| 22:01.59 | jshoenberger | Ah! Thank you! |
| 22:02.02 | ma3x | big deal, i've nothing in home |
| 22:02.08 | nvz | ma3x: if you feel your space is limited one big / isnt bad, but having a separate /home prevents you from using up too much space on / when you are logged in, and also makes it so you can reinstall without loosing your settings and files |
| 22:02.11 | Eulex | ma3x, I think you would need a little more than 2gb on / |
| 22:02.42 | Eulex | of course, depending on what you want to install |
| 22:02.44 | nvz | ma3x: normally the default FS options reserve 5% for root anyhow.. so if you only have 10gb you could just use one big / partition |
| 22:02.47 | ma3x | rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien |
| 22:02.53 | ma3x | how do i use alien? |
| 22:03.16 | Pego | Eulex: not bad idea how i doo that ? command diff exist ? |
| 22:03.17 | stew | ma3x: in general you shouldn't use alien, what are you wanting to install with alien? |
| 22:03.18 | PerfDave | ma3x: For christ's sake, one thing at a time! Why are you trying to install an rpm on your system if you're reinstalling? |
| 22:03.22 | nvz | I've over 500 packages installed and my / has less than 200MB used |
| 22:03.35 | outlaw84 | how are you suppose to get out off hell wim without using Ctrl + x |
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| 22:03.46 | ma3x | PerfDave : i wanna test those captive-stable tools |
| 22:03.52 | FieldySnuts | i say let the guy who had him go to unstable do 100% of the support, thi sis annoying |
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| 22:03.59 | mihai_ | where do i set the default wm ? |
| 22:03.59 | ma3x | before the rain has fallen upon my system |
| 22:04.02 | rbochan | FieldySnuts++ |
| 22:04.03 | PerfDave | ma3x: Then don't. You've already been told how to bodge Windows drivers into your kernel. |
| 22:04.24 | ma3x | do i have to get them from my windows partition? |
| 22:04.28 | ma3x | like ntfs.sys? |
| 22:04.29 | PerfDave | ma3x: Look, your system is totally fucked by your moron of a "friend". Reinstall, start from scratch, do one thing at a time. |
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| 22:04.32 | FieldySnuts | my god |
| 22:04.33 | PerfDave | ma3x: Yes |
| 22:04.39 | FieldySnuts | get your "friend" to fix it, HE fucked it up, not you or us |
| 22:04.39 | nvz | I say anyone you know only as "that guy" should not be having root access to your box |
| 22:04.48 | oliwer | hi all |
| 22:04.49 | rbochan | indeed |
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| 22:04.52 | nvz | surely not to upgrade it to unstable |
| 22:04.54 | Hostile | anyone know C++? |
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| 22:05.02 | stew | Hostile: lots of people in #C++ |
| 22:05.02 | PerfDave | Hostile: Lots of people. |
| 22:05.02 | ma3x | PerfDave : how do i load the drivers, with ndiswrapper? |
| 22:05.08 | mihai_ | where do i set the default wm ? |
| 22:05.12 | PerfDave | ma3x: Reinstall first. Then read the fucking documentation. |
| 22:05.22 | ma3x | wheres the docu? |
| 22:05.22 | Eulex | Pego, it compares two files -- and I'm sure you could get it to compare two directories with a little rtfm'ing |
| 22:05.29 | drac | mihai_: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ? |
| 22:05.35 | hachi | I'm running debian under UML, and anytime libc upgrades it installs a new copy of the TLS libs in /lib/tls, I would love to dpkg-divert /lib/tls, but that doesn't work. Does anyone know what I'm actually trying to do and how to do it? |
| 22:05.38 | PerfDave | ma3x: Reinstall. |
| 22:05.51 | ma3x | PerfDave : can i install on USB2.0? |
| 22:05.56 | mihai_ | drac, i mean the config file for it |
| 22:05.59 | ma3x | ( external drive ) |
| 22:06.00 | Crell | ma3x: You don't want to. |
| 22:06.02 | PerfDave | ma3x: Probably. You probably don't want to. |
| 22:06.05 | ma3x | why not? |
| 22:06.18 | nvz | FieldySnuts is subjecting him/herself (depending on what he/she is pretending to be lately) to support burnout. |
| 22:06.25 | ma3x | did install freebsd once - worked at 1MB speed |
| 22:06.33 | PerfDave | Because it's more complicated than it needs to be, and slow. You definitely don't want swap on an external drive. |
| 22:06.36 | drac | mihai_: ls /etc/alternatives.. it's a symlink.. |
| 22:06.46 | ma3x | okayoaky |
| 22:06.55 | ma3x | and last thing |
| 22:07.06 | ma3x | any prefferable desktop manager or wm |
| 22:07.12 | ma3x | blackbox, flux or what eveer ... ? |
| 22:07.14 | beardy | !wm |
| 22:07.14 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 22:07.20 | PerfDave | ma3x: Use KDE and be happy. Now reinstall! |
| 22:07.22 | beardy | damn.. |
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| 22:07.52 | ma3x | great |
| 22:07.59 | ma3x | thanks now good night everybody |
| 22:08.02 | outlaw84 | doesn't anyone know how to get out off wim? It tells me to type q the enter but where?! this is drving me crazie |
| 22:08.04 | ma3x | :) |
| 22:08.06 | rbochan | ma3x: good luck |
| 22:08.11 | ma3x | thanks rbo! |
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| 22:08.15 | PerfDave | outlaw84: vim? |
| 22:08.16 | d03boy | how can I figure out what /dev/input device my mouse i'm currently using it? |
| 22:08.19 | Crell | outlaw84: Er, what's wim? Is it a vim clone? |
| 22:08.25 | Eulex | outlaw84, :q<enter> |
| 22:08.25 | PerfDave | outlaw84: Press escape a few times, then :q |
| 22:08.39 | nvz | Crell: vim for women maybe |
| 22:08.51 | mihai_ | i have no .xsession or .xinitrc files in my home directory how do i make one ? |
| 22:08.56 | Crell | Oh great, more politically correct software.... |
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| 22:09.13 | pi_ | Yo. |
| 22:09.24 | d03boy | mihai_, use an editor... then save the file there |
| 22:09.34 | nvz | Crell: na, its just for women who think they are better than men |
| 22:09.35 | mihai_ | d03boy, yeah but what syntax do i use ? |
| 22:09.40 | useruser | mihai_: bash |
| 22:09.43 | outlaw84 | PerfDave: I just keep geting system beeps while pressing esc and still q<enter> doesn't work |
| 22:09.50 | mihai_ | ok any examples ? |
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| 22:09.55 | pi_ | So like.. i have a question.. I installed sarge back when it was still testing.. |
| 22:09.58 | d03boy | outlaw84, you need the : |
| 22:10.00 | useruser | mihai_: i'm sure google has a slew |
| 22:10.06 | pi_ | Do I still need to use testing when using apt? |
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| 22:10.12 | PerfDave | outlaw84: You did press colon first. |
| 22:10.13 | pi_ | or can I switch to stable now? |
| 22:10.13 | boguh | how can i tell a xterm to have the program name in the titlebar when i run ie irssi? |
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| 22:10.18 | deepfrze | d03boy: cat /dev/input/xxx |
| 22:10.20 | pi_ | or, how do I get to the stable distro? |
| 22:10.22 | PerfDave | pi_: Uhm, what are you talking about? |
| 22:10.26 | d03boy | deepfrze, thanks i'll try it |
| 22:10.26 | rbochan | pi_: only use 'testing' if you want etch |
| 22:10.26 | Crell | pi_: Have you done an upgrade since Sarge went stable? |
| 22:10.28 | mihai_ | ok how about the nvidia drivers, how can i install them to get 3d ? |
| 22:10.36 | useruser | boguh: i think that's in the xterm manpage |
| 22:10.37 | PerfDave | mihai_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:10.44 | bob2 | mihai_: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 22:10.45 | PeterB | boguh: man xterm |
| 22:10.46 | PerfDave | pi_: If you're running testing now, the only way to get to the stable distro is to reinstall. |
| 22:10.52 | hachi | does anyone know why dpkg-divert doesn't support diverting directories? |
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| 22:11.17 | Crell | I generally recommend always specifying the version by name rather than label, eg, sarge. |
| 22:11.17 | pi_ | PerfDave, well, I know my apt sources is set to testing. |
| 22:11.19 | pi_ | how do I check. |
| 22:11.22 | jme | FieldySnuts. |
| 22:11.29 | pi_ | sorry, new to debian. |
| 22:11.40 | PerfDave | pi_: Uhm, have you updated your system since Sarge released a few weeks ago? |
| 22:11.43 | useruser | pi_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:11.45 | Crell | pi_: Change your sources.list to read "sarge" instead of "testing". |
| 22:11.54 | pi_ | 3.1 |
| 22:11.56 | pi_ | is my version. |
| 22:12.01 | useruser | pi_: that's sarge |
| 22:12.10 | PerfDave | pi_: That doesn't tell you anything useful. |
| 22:12.14 | PerfDave | useruser: Or etch |
| 22:12.15 | outlaw84 | I dont get way they are using the hard to manage application for reportbug... nano is sooo much more usable |
| 22:12.17 | pi_ | i didnt think so. |
| 22:12.23 | PerfDave | pi_: The safest way is to reinstall. |
| 22:12.24 | useruser | PerfDave: oh, ok |
| 22:12.46 | rbochan | outlaw84: you can use whatever editor you'd like |
| 22:12.50 | pi_ | PerfDave but how do I know what I'm running? I mean.. if i'm pulling from the testing tree doesnt mean i'm running a testing version does it? |
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| 22:13.01 | stew | outlaw84: update-alternatives --config editor ; or set your EDITOR env variable |
| 22:13.04 | pi_ | PerfDave, and od you mean an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 22:13.04 | Crell | pi_: Depends when you last pulled. |
| 22:13.10 | PerfDave | pi_: Yes, if you're pulling from the testing tree then you're running testing :) |
| 22:13.11 | FieldySnuts | !pull test |
| 22:13.11 | dpkg | i guess push test is http://www-605.ibm.com/misc_includes/en_SG/drop_test.pdf |
| 22:13.15 | d03boy | my mouse seems to work on /dev/psaux, /dev/input/mice, and /dev/input/mouse0, which one should I officially use for just that mouse? I have a touchpad that I need to use also |
| 22:13.17 | PerfDave | pi_: Or a dist-upgrade |
| 22:13.18 | FieldySnuts | i said pull not push you tit |
| 22:13.19 | hachi | does anyone know where I can find someone who has a clue about dpkg-divert? |
| 22:14.19 | stew | hachi: man dpkg-divert |
| 22:14.19 | Crell | pi_: If you have NOT upgraded any packages since Sarge went stable, then you should be able to just update your sources.list and keep on going. If you HAVE upgraded any packages, then you may run into trouble depending on what they are. |
| 22:14.33 | outlaw84 | stew: where am I suppose to type that? |
| 22:14.34 | hachi | stew: doesn't answer my question, thanks for stating the obvious though |
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| 22:14.38 | Crell | Either way, I always recommend specifying woody or sarge or etch instead of "stable" or "testing", for exactly this reason. |
| 22:14.53 | stew | hachi: oh your question is why? |
| 22:14.55 | FieldySnuts | Crell: we care. |
| 22:15.09 | pi_ | Crell, well I'm in luck i guess. I havn't updated any packages since sarge went stable (two weeks ago?) |
| 22:15.23 | rbochan | pi_: JUne 11 |
| 22:15.27 | PerfDave | More than two weeks now, over a month |
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| 22:15.37 | pi_ | so what do you mean, update the sources.list file? do you mean I can stop pulling from the testing treee, and pull from stable? |
| 22:15.41 | mihai_ | umm, i must enter the video card bus identifier, now how do i get that ? |
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| 22:15.46 | hachi | stew: I need to prevent the TLS versions of libc from being installed... the manpage gives me no way to divert /lib/tls (directories cannot be diverted) for some reason |
| 22:15.49 | FieldySnuts | mihai_: lspci |
| 22:15.50 | Crell | pi_: Yes. nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:15.58 | pi_ | vim |
| 22:15.59 | pi_ | heh. |
| 22:16.04 | pi_ | not new to *nix.. just debian. |
| 22:16.17 | Crell | Whatever. :-) Everywhere it says "testing" change it to "sarge" or "stable". |
| 22:16.28 | rbochan | and add a security line |
| 22:16.29 | mihai_ | FieldySnuts, 0000:02:00.0 is that it ? |
| 22:16.30 | nvz | FieldySnuts: only took you 6 minutes to realize you had nothing better to do? |
| 22:16.32 | sean_micken | hmm |
| 22:16.34 | pi_ | so does "sarge" just track where the distro sarge is at the time? |
| 22:16.39 | sean_micken | does anyone know if iSCSI works with SATA? |
| 22:16.39 | pi_ | and stable always grab from stable? |
| 22:16.41 | pi_ | or what? |
| 22:16.41 | Crell | Then add this line: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:16.43 | FieldySnuts | nvz: it's not that, that twit left |
| 22:16.43 | resiak | Crell: That won't help, because it won't downgrade. |
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| 22:16.45 | stew | hachi: see if there is a wishlist but in bts |
| 22:16.46 | omry | trying to create a deb of some lib (eet, from enlightment 17 cvs), dpkg-buildpackage deletes the change log file, than try to access it. any pointers how to fix it? |
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| 22:16.59 | nvz | FieldySnuts: how would you know that ... |
| 22:17.01 | jeffro | hey |
| 22:17.01 | pi_ | rbochan, that was my next question.. what about security updates? |
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| 22:17.13 | Crell | pi_: Yes. "sarge" is effectively an alias to testing or stable, depending on what the Debian Gods choose to make it. |
| 22:17.19 | stew | pi_: /msg dpkg security |
| 22:17.20 | mihai_ | 0000:02:00.0 <--- could that be a correct video card bus identifier ? |
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| 22:17.28 | rbochan | pi_: see Crell's comment |
| 22:17.30 | FieldySnuts | nvz: a spy told me |
| 22:17.30 | jeffro | I got a question: What program comes the closest to acdsee for linux? |
| 22:17.35 | resiak | Crell: Oh, wait, I read further up. Ignore me. |
| 22:17.35 | Crell | Then add this line: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:17.40 | resiak | jeffro: Google is your friend. |
| 22:17.40 | Eulex | mihai_, why do you need one of those? |
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| 22:17.51 | Crell | (Remove the contrib and non-free if you don't want those.) |
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| 22:17.51 | resiak | jeffro: Are we supposed to magicall know what acdsee is? |
| 22:17.57 | mihai_ | Eulex, xfree86 configuration |
| 22:18.01 | jeffro | no its not, google gives me unique cookee |
| 22:18.18 | nvz | FieldySnuts: ah. its ok if you missed us. You don't have to make shit up 8-P |
| 22:18.22 | Eulex | mihai_, only needed if you're on a mac and something other exotic |
| 22:18.22 | pi_ | okay, what about if I installed packages since sarge went stable? |
| 22:18.24 | jeffro | its a program to view images with, i want to watch manga |
| 22:18.29 | pi_ | but those were installedfrom the testing tree? |
| 22:18.39 | drac | mihai_: lspci -X | grep -i vga |
| 22:18.41 | mihai_ | Eulex, i pasted the nvidia one-liner |
| 22:18.42 | Crell | pi_: Then things may break. |
| 22:18.43 | Eulex | pi_, then they were taken from etch |
| 22:18.49 | jeffro | without pressing X doublclick, X, boubleclick and so on |
| 22:18.49 | drac | mihai_: PCI:x:x:x |
| 22:18.55 | mihai_ | PCI:2:0:0 |
| 22:18.57 | Crell | I don't know specifically how they'd break, since I didn't do that. :-) |
| 22:18.59 | mihai_ | oh cool thanks drac |
| 22:19.01 | drac | mihai_: that's your busid |
| 22:19.33 | Eulex | mihai_, you still don't need to specify that |
| 22:19.47 | hachi | stew: 6 years running, I know that there is a pretty decent usebase of people running debian under UML... I'd love to find how the heck anyone else has solved this |
| 22:19.55 | `UD | Ati versus Nvidia & drivers - tainting kernels ? |
| 22:19.58 | resiak | pi_: They'll still work, but if they're newer than the version in Sarge they will never recieve updates of any kind. |
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| 22:20.19 | `UD | any one run Ati? |
| 22:20.23 | nvz | dumb bitch hung up on me... I didnt even get the chance to tell here we werent interested |
| 22:20.33 | Eulex | `UD, yes, many |
| 22:20.50 | drac | `UD: Taiting means you are inserting non-free/closed source/whatever module into kernel, nothing else. |
| 22:20.55 | nvz | I hate when people call and annoy the shit out of me daily, and then wont even sit on hold so you can aggrivate them and waste their time |
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| 22:21.06 | `UD | Eulex: i have heard a few ppl say, DONT GET ATI!!! there drivers tain the kernel etc.. |
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| 22:21.17 | drac | `UD: So you can't file a bug against that kernel after inserting that module. NVidia or ATi. |
| 22:21.18 | `UD | drac: ahh.. okies, so its nothing BAD |
| 22:21.20 | Eulex | `UD, ati works fine |
| 22:21.32 | hachi | `UD: nvidia taints the kernel as well |
| 22:21.55 | `UD | Eulex: kewl, i have an gfroce FX5700 and was thinking of getting a 9800pro xt |
| 22:22.12 | drac | `UD: I wouldn't do that.. |
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| 22:22.24 | drac | `UD: ATi drivers are still too new. |
| 22:22.32 | `UD | drac: any particular reason |
| 22:22.40 | `UD | ahh, ok |
| 22:22.49 | Eulex | `UD, afaik those cards are about the same level of performance, and nvidia drivers are still better than ati drivers |
| 22:22.55 | Diguinho | is kde broken on unstable? |
| 22:23.01 | Diguinho | can't install kdelibs4 |
| 22:23.02 | drac | Diguinho: Checked BTS ? |
| 22:23.06 | hachi | ATi also tends to leave their users of anything but the latest card out in the cold... I bought a brand new radeon something a year or two ago, no drivers for it at all |
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| 22:23.10 | Diguinho | what? |
| 22:23.13 | Eulex | Diguinho, most probably, a lot if broken in unstable |
| 22:23.17 | drac | !bts |
| 22:23.17 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:23.19 | `UD | Eulex: oh ok, i dual boot with windows and play a few games is all |
| 22:23.29 | PeterB | !btssmite Diguinho |
| 22:23.43 | nvz | I've had good experience with the nvidia drivers.. they are easy to use, and well documented. I shop nvidia, cause they make the best effort to co-operate with FOSS IMO |
| 22:23.44 | `UD | hachi: ouch, that sucks |
| 22:23.46 | Diguinho | i use apt-listbugs |
| 22:23.50 | paulswm | nvz: When they're on the line try shouting "No! Put the gun down! Don't ..." and then suddenly hang up |
| 22:23.56 | Eulex | hachi, what card? |
| 22:23.59 | cougar` | Hello all : Is there anything built into debian or can be installed that will tell me the wattage draw? |
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| 22:24.17 | Eulex | hachi, I've got a brand new mobility radeon x300 that works like a charm |
| 22:24.18 | pi_ | do I do an apt-get update before I do an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 22:24.22 | Wyzard | cougar`: I don't think normal PCs have hardware capable of determining that |
| 22:24.28 | Crell | pi_: Yes. |
| 22:24.28 | `UD | nvz: true, what card would you recommend, i am highly dissapointed with the FX5700, game performance wise the 9800pro leaves it for dead |
| 22:24.29 | dondelelcaro | cougar`: most motherboards don't detect that; it's especially difficult because it's necessarily powersupply dependent. |
| 22:24.30 | nvz | paulswm: could play Moaning Girl.ogg and be like "I'm Busy Right now" |
| 22:24.32 | Wyzard | cougar`: You'd need a special power supply |
| 22:24.35 | hachi | Eulex: Radeon VE or something... only decent card that I could find that didn't have a fan on it... and no drivers for it |
| 22:24.36 | Eulex | pi_, yes |
| 22:24.38 | pi_ | Crell, thanks for the info btw. |
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| 22:24.55 | cougar` | Wyzard and dondelelcaro : Thanks |
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| 22:25.12 | drac | `UD: Latest NVidia you have money for. |
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| 22:25.40 | pi_ | is there anyway to test this before I do it? |
| 22:26.05 | nvz | `UD: I dont care about that stuff.. I dont have a hardware budget, I take what I can get.. the Geforce 5200FX Ultra I had suited me fine.. played bzflag and most every other game in debian pretty well.. the flight sims were a little slow unless you turned some of the gfx down |
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| 22:26.22 | blechx | hmm |
| 22:26.31 | Crell | pi_: aptitude upgrade will tell you what packages it's going to upgrade, delete, add, etc. If you don't like what it's suggesting, tell it no. :-) |
| 22:26.33 | blechx | am i the only one that found bzflag kinda boring? :O |
| 22:26.39 | Crell | blechx: Yes. :-) |
| 22:26.40 | nvz | `UD: right now I only have an S3 ProSuckage, so I'd take that FX5700 any day of the week |
| 22:26.46 | hacim | blechx: try a different server |
| 22:26.48 | pi_ | hrm. |
| 22:26.54 | pi_ | i remember installing aptitude. |
| 22:27.04 | Crell | apt-get will do the same. |
| 22:27.07 | `UD | nvz: hehehe... ok, whats bzflag? |
| 22:27.17 | Crell | Although I suggest apt-get -u upgrade for extra info. |
| 22:27.56 | pi_ | thanks. |
| 22:28.00 | Eulex | `UD, multiplayer tank game |
| 22:28.07 | `UD | Eulex: ahh, okies |
| 22:28.10 | nvz | `UD: its a 3d Multiplayer Online Tank Battle game has 3 modes of play Capture The Flag, Rabbit Chase, and Free For All. www.bzflag.org or #bzflag |
| 22:28.13 | Eulex | !find bzflag etch |
| 22:28.14 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'bzflag' (2): bzflag ;; bzflag-server. |
| 22:28.24 | Eulex | !show bzflag etch |
| 22:28.34 | mihai_ | umm i have a question, i did the nvidia one-liner method.. and now i'm configuring xfree, but where does it write the config file to ? |
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| 22:28.55 | Eulex | mihai_, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 22:29.08 | `UD | hehehe... installing bzflagnow |
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| 22:29.25 | nvz | `UD: bzflag 2.0 is out for windows and linux, though it works best on linux. there is always people online playing. 2.0 has new features like more special flags, transparency, joystick support..etc |
| 22:29.27 | mihai_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.32 | mihai_ | what should i select there ? |
| 22:29.44 | drac | mihai_: type1, freetype, glx, extmod, dbe, and _nothing else_. |
| 22:29.49 | `UD | bzflag 2.0.2.20050318 |
| 22:29.59 | jeffro | got a question |
| 22:29.59 | d03boy | gar! why the hell wont my extra buttons on my mouse work |
| 22:30.12 | jeffro | i found a program but it isnt in apt-get |
| 22:30.21 | jeffro | how to install when you download it |
| 22:30.28 | pi_ | brb |
| 22:30.35 | stew | jeffro: read INSTALL and README |
| 22:30.35 | nvz | `UD: also has new animated tank treads with tracks, and rain .. probably other things I cant remember caue I cant play it on my s3 prosuckage |
| 22:30.35 | Eulex | jeffro, did you d/l the source? |
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| 22:30.45 | jeffro | il check |
| 22:30.55 | jeffro | btw software is called superchick |
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| 22:31.06 | pi_ | sorry, just had to start a screen |
| 22:31.08 | mike-m | hello :) |
| 22:31.16 | mike-m | my Debian rules (sorry for the annoying message :p) |
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| 22:31.33 | jeffro | cause someone told me never to download software except with apt-get |
| 22:31.37 | nvz | mike-m: debian/rules? |
| 22:31.39 | WiFiTux | is there a way to switch between xorg.conf files without having to rename the conf files? |
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| 22:32.21 | mike-m | nvz: I re-installed today, I only forgot my svn repo, but I have a local that is almost up to date |
| 22:32.24 | mihai_ | drac help, mihai@debian:~$ glxgears |
| 22:32.25 | mihai_ | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:32.25 | mihai_ | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 22:32.25 | nvz | jeffro: because all programs you download *FROM OFFICIAL SOURCES* with apt-get complies with debian package policy and all other policies and standards therein |
| 22:32.42 | edt | how do I force a package to be reconfigured without having it unpacked again |
| 22:32.44 | Eulex | mihai_, check yer logs |
| 22:32.49 | mihai_ | where ? |
| 22:32.52 | stew | edt: dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
| 22:33.05 | drac | mihai_: 'lsmod' shows nvidia loaded? |
| 22:33.39 | mihai_ | nvidia 3923516 0 |
| 22:33.41 | mihai_ | yep |
| 22:33.48 | PeterB | WiFiTux: The -config option? |
| 22:33.53 | edt | stew thanks - knew it was simple but could not remember the command... |
| 22:33.58 | Eulex | mihai_, /var/log/ contains the logs on yur system |
| 22:34.04 | TheAsp | mihai_: are you loading glx |
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| 22:34.21 | WiFiTux | PeterB: is it startx -- -XF86Config /bla/bla/bla/conf? |
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| 22:34.25 | WiFiTux | hm |
| 22:34.26 | `UD | hehehe.. thats kinda kewl, its like the PS2 tank game |
| 22:34.33 | mihai_ | TheAsp, in the xfree86 wizard, it asked me about that and i selected it, maybe it wrote it to anothe config file ? |
| 22:34.37 | PeterB | WiFiTux: man Xorg |
| 22:34.37 | mihai_ | and not the default |
| 22:34.37 | Crell | `UD: Have you tried jumping yet? |
| 22:34.43 | WiFiTux | PeterB: :) |
| 22:34.44 | drac | mihai_: and you chose 'nvidia', NOT 'nv' in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and included 'dbe' and 'glx' extensions ? |
| 22:34.47 | Crell | /mdg dpkg Xorg |
| 22:34.59 | mihai_ | drac, yes, exactly that |
| 22:35.11 | WiFiTux | PeterB: man startx? |
| 22:35.15 | `UD | Crell: ahh huh, i think i jumped.. i had really bad lag, i wasted some one with the flag then the server said i had lots of lag so i left |
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| 22:35.29 | Crell | Ah, drat. Lag sucks. |
| 22:35.40 | Crell | I just like the concept of jumping *in a tank*. :-) |
| 22:35.42 | drac | mihai_: nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settings is installed? and you could post /var/log/XFree86.0.log on www.pastebin.com. |
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| 22:35.47 | PeterB | WiFiTux: That's not an option for startx, but for Xorg |
| 22:35.52 | mihai_ | drac, i'm checking my XF86 config and it's not how i chose in the wizard |
| 22:35.59 | `UD | i will get my friends in NZ to join a clann.. lol there are a few of us that run debian |
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| 22:36.05 | useruser | !lastseen gravity |
| 22:36.11 | useruser | !seen gravity |
| 22:36.12 | gravity | er |
| 22:36.12 | dpkg | gravity is currently on #debian (12m 4s) #debian-women (12m 4s). Has said a total of 22567 messages. Is idling for 14s |
| 22:36.14 | gravity | Hi |
| 22:36.15 | useruser | aha |
| 22:36.18 | mihai_ | drac, it's the old config i have, it didn't update it for some reason ! :/ what to do ? |
| 22:36.31 | nvz | `UD: lag usually is a result of the gfx card not keeping up with the fps from my experience |
| 22:36.36 | jeffro | ok done it |
| 22:36.37 | useruser | gravity: I just tried the new xserver-xorg package - still the same bug for me with white screen |
| 22:36.38 | drac | mihai_: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 22:36.46 | jeffro | its a .py file :D |
| 22:36.46 | useruser | gravity: replacing that library fixes it, again |
| 22:36.51 | cartel_ | debian-women? heh |
| 22:36.56 | WiFiTux | PeterB: ahh, now display is :0 right? normally |
| 22:36.57 | nvz | `UD: you cant really do clans in bzflag |
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| 22:37.01 | `UD | nvz: or the fact that i just picked a server without looking at where it was located? |
| 22:37.09 | gravity | useruser: Which version? |
| 22:37.09 | jeffro | i have to right click s directory and open it with the .py file |
| 22:37.12 | pi_ | I dont like that upgrading distrobutions in debian is so unstable. |
| 22:37.17 | gravity | useruser: Or rather, which version of the packages did you try? |
| 22:37.25 | cartel_ | pi_: unstable is unstable |
| 22:37.31 | mihai_ | drac, nobody told me i wasn't allowed to modify it :/ |
| 22:37.32 | dondelelcaro | pi_: ? |
| 22:37.34 | pi_ | heh |
| 22:37.36 | hansvi | I had a hdd crash today.. AGAIN! Only 3 days earlier the other disk died, I barely got time to get the raid1 synced again.. Both hdd's were 120GB maxtors 1/2 year old.. |
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| 22:37.39 | useruser | gravity: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-{2,3} |
| 22:37.51 | hansvi | anyone else experienced something like this? |
| 22:37.55 | pi_ | yea.. but is safer when upgrading from say.. woody to sarge? |
| 22:37.57 | orchid | nvz: thats jitter, lag is your ping to the server and to the other players |
| 22:38.00 | jeffro | yup |
| 22:38.01 | jeffro | me |
| 22:38.03 | nvz | `UD: in rabbit chase, its everyone against whoever is the rabbit, in free for all, all tanks are the same so its hard to tell them apart, and in capture the flag, you cant pick your teams |
| 22:38.04 | gravity | useruser: -3 didn't fix it for you? |
| 22:38.07 | gravity | Hrm |
| 22:38.08 | useruser | gravity: nope |
| 22:38.10 | dondelelcaro | pi_: released versions are safe to upgrade if you read the release notes. |
| 22:38.17 | redx | Can anyone explain what the activate button does in system/network/interfaces? |
| 22:38.25 | dondelelcaro | pi_: unreleased versions (eg testing and unstable) are fine to use only if you know what you're oding. |
| 22:38.28 | dondelelcaro | s/od/do/ |
| 22:38.29 | bob2 | redx: ubuntu questions are off-topic here |
| 22:38.36 | redx | ??? |
| 22:38.46 | redx | Ubuntu uses debian doesn't it? |
| 22:38.50 | drac | mihai_: sure you can edit it manually, after getting working example out of dpkg-reconfigure xs.. thingie. |
| 22:38.54 | bob2 | redx: no |
| 22:38.55 | nforbes | redx: #ubuntu |
| 22:38.57 | gravity | redx: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 22:38.59 | drac | mikala: and backupping it :-) |
| 22:39.02 | pi_ | but then upgrading from testing to stable, then upgrading to the latest distro would be okay? |
| 22:39.10 | nvz | `UD: they have an identify button you can configure, but its too much work to identify each tank before you shoot.. you will end up getting blown up or missing your chance to fire |
| 22:39.12 | bob2 | redx: and yo udidn't answer my question in #ubuntu, either |
| 22:39.16 | redx | What's the difference? |
| 22:39.17 | Crell | pi_: You're not upgrading from testing to stable. |
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| 22:39.30 | redx | nm. |
| 22:39.33 | pi_ | no? |
| 22:39.35 | dondelelcaro | pi_: no. Upgrading from released versions to released versions is ok. That's it. Everything else is caveat administrator. |
| 22:39.35 | paulswm | !tell redx about based on debian |
| 22:39.36 | bob2 | redx: one is called "ubuntu", one is called "debian". they have different packages, and a different installer. |
| 22:39.40 | xst | After an upgrade of debian (sid) all gstreamer apps sounds wierd (like some echo-effect is attached). Each song is played with 2 or 3-double overlay where each layer is played with about 1/4 second apart. Has anyone else got this buggy behavior upon an upgrade? |
| 22:39.52 | Crell | pi_: Did you do an apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade? |
| 22:40.05 | Eulex | !btssmite xst |
| 22:40.06 | pi_ | Crell, yes.. doesnt that move me from testing to stable? |
| 22:40.07 | redx | Ok ok... |
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| 22:40.12 | cartel_ | poor mortals using sid... |
| 22:40.19 | useruser | gravity: [the libvgahw.a in -3 I downloaded is 21922 bytes; the one that works from the bug report is 21998] |
| 22:40.20 | Guerin | xst: sounds like normal gstreamer performance to me |
| 22:40.49 | Crell | pi_: Kinda sorta. If you were running "Testing" all along and didn't upgrade recently, then the differences should be minor. |
| 22:40.50 | cartel_ | "zomgwtf debian has x0rg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 upgraed to sid!!!!!!!1 lolez" |
| 22:40.58 | gravity | useruser: Ok, I'll have a look. |
| 22:41.07 | nvz | I am going to go browse the liquer store before my friends get back home |
| 22:41.11 | afabian | I have enough problems when everything is going smoothly. I'm a stable kind of guy. :x |
| 22:41.13 | Crell | If something breaks, try uninstalling it and reinstalling it. :-) |
| 22:41.15 | nvz | see what I feel like making |
| 22:41.20 | pi_ | I dont think I've ever upgraded while running this testing sarge.. but I've installed. |
| 22:41.21 | pi_ | heh |
| 22:41.30 | pi_ | Okay. |
| 22:41.37 | paulswm | Boy, mimms has an annoying pacifier and no 'silent' option, should have redirected stdout to /dev/null |
| 22:41.42 | dondelelcaro | oh wow. We've actually got equipment. |
| 22:41.55 | nvz | If'n I come back later you probably dont want to ask me anything.. cause I will probably be shitfaced |
| 22:41.57 | Crell | Just for kicks, now that you're on stable/sarge, try a dist-upgrade and see what it wants to do. |
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| 22:42.13 | pi_ | its actually not quite done with the upgrade. |
| 22:42.15 | pi_ | =) |
| 22:42.26 | pi_ | once it is, i'll do a dist-upgrade, and see what it says. |
| 22:42.36 | paulswm | nvz: have one for me |
| 22:42.36 | pi_ | btw, what is the current testing distro called? |
| 22:42.41 | Eulex | etch |
| 22:42.41 | pi_ | captain? |
| 22:42.42 | paulswm | etch |
| 22:42.48 | pi_ | oh... whats that stand for? |
| 22:42.55 | paulswm | it stands for etch |
| 22:42.56 | Eulex | etch-a-sketch |
| 22:43.15 | stew | !releases |
| 22:43.15 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 22:43.16 | pi_ | ahh.. |
| 22:43.27 | cartel_ | what will etch+1 be called |
| 22:43.31 | nvz | paulswm: sure, but don't think I am going to stop there.. I will probably have one for everyone.. heh |
| 22:43.32 | afabian | How many Toy Story characters are there to go? =) |
| 22:43.41 | Phated | Enough. |
| 22:43.41 | cartel_ | not many |
| 22:43.46 | paulswm | pi_: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-codenames |
| 22:43.55 | pi_ | heh, thanks. |
| 22:43.58 | hansvi | Is toy story that old already? wow time flies! |
| 22:44.01 | paulswm | Nobody uses the web site it seems |
| 22:44.02 | Crell | afabian: At the rate Debian releases stable versions, we'll never run out. :-) |
| 22:44.10 | cartel_ | maybe toy story 4 will come out and give some new characters |
| 22:44.23 | stew | afabian: new toy story movies are coming out as fast as debian releases lately :) |
| 22:44.30 | nvz | have they even made a 3rd one yet? |
| 22:44.41 | cartel_ | i think after they run out they will use monsters inc characters |
| 22:44.54 | Eulex | btw, are there any plans for what codename etch+1 will get? |
| 22:44.54 | hansvi | nemo |
| 22:45.02 | stew | nvz: oh i guess not, i thought they had, 2007 according to imdb |
| 22:45.08 | cartel_ | Eulex: i think it is secret |
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| 22:45.29 | Eulex | cartel_, heh, ok |
| 22:45.44 | cartel_ | Eulex: or decided by the RM before freeze |
| 22:46.08 | nvz | hopefully they arent closed already.. heh them bastards.. I will take a brick with me just in case |
| 22:46.12 | stew | ~spell liquer |
| 22:46.13 | cartel_ | incidentally is etch in any state to be used? |
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| 22:46.24 | useruser | licker |
| 22:46.27 | paulswm | etch is great |
| 22:46.27 | nvz | I forget sometimes I am back in PA and everything sucks here |
| 22:46.29 | roral | I'm running etch right now. It works fine. |
| 22:46.34 | cartel_ | or is it fscked royally like sarge was |
| 22:46.37 | thingfish | liquor or liqueur |
| 22:46.55 | paulswm | sarge never was fscked for me |
| 22:46.56 | nvz | they just call it the state store here, if you want to be an ass about it |
| 22:47.01 | nvz | heh |
| 22:47.11 | rbochan | package store? |
| 22:47.15 | jshoenberger | rofl |
| 22:47.25 | jshoenberger | Package store is... East coast, no? |
| 22:47.29 | rbochan | yes |
| 22:47.32 | thingfish | except liquor is generic booze and liqueur is usually sweetened aperitif type stuff. |
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| 22:47.34 | jshoenberger | doesn't exist on the west cost |
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| 22:47.36 | streuner | nvz: PA? |
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| 22:47.55 | jshoenberger | I <3 California for their ability to sell liquor at all hours of the night |
| 22:48.07 | paulswm | nvz: In KY in the tiny place where my spouse was born, they have a ride-through liquor store - the window is raised so you can do your transactions from horseback, only one I ever saw |
| 22:48.23 | rbochan | paulswm: that's nuts |
| 22:48.31 | Crell | Is there much of a difference between etch and sarge right now? |
| 22:48.33 | rbochan | can you get a rwi? |
| 22:48.35 | jshoenberger | Horse riding and Whiskey, sounds like Kentucky |
| 22:48.52 | Crell | I didn't think anything major had filtered down from Sid yet since Sid was still so, ah, unstable. :-) |
| 22:49.10 | paulswm | jshoenberger: And firearms, no point in getting drunk unless there's a bunch of you with loaded guns |
| 22:49.15 | jshoenberger | :=D |
| 22:49.17 | rbochan | damn... _another_ xorg update already? |
| 22:49.35 | Eulex | Crell, there's quite some stuff that has gotten into etch |
| 22:49.40 | pablum | Plenty of characters left to use until Toy Story XIII comes out (in which criminals are caught before the crimes they commit, but one of the officers in the special unit is accused of one such crime and sets out to prove his innocence.) |
| 22:49.41 | streuner | rbochan: well, its sid, you forgot? :-) |
| 22:49.46 | saboteur | hmm, with make-kpkg, if i've added some custom drivers should i advertise the fact in extraversion or just revision? |
| 22:49.47 | rbochan | apparently |
| 22:49.49 | stew | paulswm: i was justin new orleans where the have drive through daquiri shops |
| 22:50.02 | rbochan | this makes 3 version in 4 days? |
| 22:50.18 | ryan` | stew, How can that possibly be legal? |
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| 22:50.20 | thingfish | ooh drive through daiquiris, yum... |
| 22:50.33 | stew | ryan`: don't ask me |
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| 22:51.14 | stew | ryan`: they tape the lid shut of course, but... |
| 22:51.17 | ryan` | furthermore, how can they do that and not get sued to death. |
| 22:51.38 | ryan` | o_O |
| 22:51.41 | stew | ryan`: that tape, it keeps you from doing anything wrong |
| 22:51.41 | ryan` | wow. |
| 22:51.51 | Crell | It's New Orleans. :-) |
| 22:51.54 | stew | don't konw if anyone has figured out a way to defeat the tape measure yet though |
| 22:52.00 | cartel_ | theres probably a bylaw |
| 22:52.05 | cartel_ | allowing it |
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| 22:52.22 | rbochan | "never on sunday" |
| 22:52.28 | Crell | Does tape count as a contents protection device? |
| 22:52.37 | pi_ | okay so Crell |
| 22:52.48 | Guerin | Crell: DRM - Drinking Rights Management |
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| 22:52.51 | pi_ | apt-get dist-upgrade found nothing. |
| 22:52.56 | ryan` | do you violate the DMCA by untaping it and drinking it in your car? |
| 22:52.56 | carmelo | hi! |
| 22:53.15 | carmelo | this is my firt time in here! |
| 22:53.22 | Crell | pi_: Cool, then you're running 99% an up to date Sarge/Stable, maybe with one or two things from etch hanging around. |
| 22:53.24 | stew | ryan`: in louisianna its legal for passangers to drink in the car anyway |
| 22:53.48 | Crell | If you figure out what those are, I'd suggest removing and reinstalling them to make sure that you have pure sarge, so that security updates work on all packages. Otherwise you should be good to go. |
| 22:53.50 | perfectsound | whats the command to update package shortcuts on wmaker after installing *.deb packages? |
| 22:53.57 | ryan` | stew, ah, that explains it. It isn't in california, and I wasn't sure if that's a federal law or not. |
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| 22:54.06 | rbochan | perfectsound: update-menus |
| 22:54.16 | perfectsound | oh yes thank you rbochan |
| 22:54.16 | Guerin | all liquor laws are state |
| 22:54.37 | Guerin | i think that was part of the point of the fall of prohibition |
| 22:54.42 | ryan` | Guerin, you're right, now that i think about it :/ |
| 22:54.50 | ryan` | including the drinking age. |
| 22:54.57 | perfectsound | i kept trying just update and spinoffs :) |
| 22:55.12 | thingfish | I was wondering about open packages in cars, I mean, do they make an exception for limousine passengers? |
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| 22:55.28 | ryan` | carmelo: Welcome. Please don't feed the trolls. |
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| 22:55.39 | perfectsound | if they don't it would be ridiculous :) but thats our gov't |
| 22:55.43 | beardy | rbochan: Aren't the menus updated automatically/when installing packages anymore? I've never updated my menus manually on woody.. |
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| 22:55.50 | Crell | thingfish: Probably that's OK because of the wall between the driver and passenger. |
| 22:55.52 | aFlag | what's the name in english of that board game where you get goals and you have an army and you have to conquer contries in order to complete your goal? Does anyone know a computer version of the game for linux? |
| 22:55.59 | thingfish | Crell: that makes sense. |
| 22:56.00 | stew | thingfish: charter services are treated differently |
| 22:56.00 | rbochan | beardy: I've found that's not always the case.. esp in KDE |
| 22:56.00 | ryan` | thingfish: i think so, since the driver is .... what crell said. |
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| 22:56.11 | beardy | rbochan: Ok |
| 22:56.13 | abrotman | donde esta tarzeau!? |
| 22:56.23 | Crell | aFlag: Uh, you mean Risk? |
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| 22:56.24 | rbochan | beardy: at least, if you already have a session running |
| 22:56.24 | jshoenberger | aFlag, Risk? |
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| 22:56.28 | thingfish | I was wondering if that wasn't the case, stew. |
| 22:56.33 | aFlag | yeah, i think that's it, risk |
| 22:56.55 | mihai_ | drac, my wm is a bit less responsive now |
| 22:57.07 | mihai_ | drac, like something's using a lot of cpu |
| 22:57.17 | stew | thingfish: check your local laws. in my state a chartered vehicle is treated differently |
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| 22:57.30 | thingfish | I bet it is here too, stew. |
| 22:57.31 | outlaw84 | For some reason "only" 896Mb of my RAM is used by Linux. I tried to set mem=1024m and also I ran memtest and it passed. I got the bootlog at http://www.student.lu.se/~ihpv03mba/bootlog does any one know whats the problem? |
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| 22:58.00 | drac | mihai_: well.. what do you want me to say to that?-) |
| 22:58.11 | beardy | rbochan: But a restart of the session fixes that doesn't it? If that's the only problem I mean, that the menus are cached somewhere. |
| 22:58.27 | mihai_ | drac, well i followd your indications, the nvidia drivers are installed, but now it responds harder to mouse clicks.. |
| 22:58.29 | rbochan | beardy: I refuse to restart a session for that ;) |
| 22:58.38 | beardy | rbochan: :) |
| 22:59.00 | rbochan | only time I ever restart a session is if Diablo 2 takes out X, which hasn't happened since xorg |
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| 22:59.03 | mihai_ | drac i want to try fluxbox what was that program to change the default wm again ? |
| 22:59.26 | drac | mihai_: so check what's eating your cpu? blame nvidia closed source drivers? hrr.. |
| 22:59.40 | drac | mihai_: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ? |
| 23:00.44 | mihai_ | drac and if that doesn't work ? |
| 23:00.59 | pi_ | Crell, is there anyway to find out what those are that are hanging around from etch? |
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| 23:01.42 | Crell | pi_: Not that I'm aware of, but then I've never tried going "down" a release. |
| 23:02.09 | mihai_ | if update-alternatives --config x-window-manager doesn't work what are my options ? |
| 23:02.25 | Crell | My server has been "Sarge" since last November, and my desktop has been Sid for about 2.5 years. So of course right now it's mildly borked. :-) |
| 23:02.46 | rbochan | Crell: I'm in the same boat |
| 23:02.49 | drac | mihai_: .xinitrc for startx, and .xsession for displaymanagers in your home directory with 'exec /usr/bin/startfluxbox' |
| 23:03.03 | rbochan | except my Desktop's running ok |
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| 23:03.42 | Crell | rbochan: Mine is mostly OK, even have KDE 3.4 installed. But Juk crashes on start up, and audio playback is borked and delayed so that music skips like crazy. |
| 23:03.55 | rbochan | I don't use juk |
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| 23:04.05 | rbochan | xmms/xine work fine for me |
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| 23:05.08 | deadcat | theres a movie called "march of the penguins" coming out soon. |
| 23:05.15 | J_P | hi all |
| 23:05.26 | gravity | deadcat: It looks awesome |
| 23:05.35 | Eulex | march of the penguins? |
| 23:05.36 | deadcat | gravity: seen it already or the trailer ? (= |
| 23:05.42 | gravity | I totally want to see Morgan Freeman narrate a penguin migration |
| 23:05.46 | gravity | deadcat: Just the trailer :-) |
| 23:05.51 | deadcat | hahahah |
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| 23:05.58 | Crell | URL for the trailer? :-) |
| 23:06.06 | rbochan | imdb.com's server goes slow with 80% of #debian hitting at once |
| 23:06.10 | gravity | I saw it in the movie theater. Remember that? |
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| 23:06.23 | deadcat | gravity: theatre? whta the f is that? (= |
| 23:06.24 | Crell | lol |
| 23:06.28 | gravity | heh |
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| 23:07.36 | deadcat | gravity: i watch camjobs. to bring that theatre experience home, i scream at the people who stand up during the movie. i go "move bitch!" hahahaha |
| 23:07.46 | rbochan | heh |
| 23:08.01 | gravity | Ha! |
| 23:08.10 | ice_1963 | lol |
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| 23:08.28 | rbochan | get busy livin.. or get busy migratin.. that's danm right |
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| 23:08.58 | acidbeat311 | How does one go about unloading a current sound driver in use? |
| 23:09.07 | acidbeat311 | then load a new one. |
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| 23:09.24 | gentoothreefour | hi |
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| 23:09.34 | gentoothreefour | does anyone know how to patch fbsplash |
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| 23:09.41 | ma3x | hello just reinstalled debian |
| 23:09.44 | ma3x | looks cool :)))) |
| 23:09.47 | shartte | Hmmmm. Does start-stop-daemon handle command line parameters for the daemon to start? doesn't seem that way (even if i use -startas) |
| 23:09.48 | ma3x | heya anyone there? |
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| 23:10.03 | Crell | ma3x: Nope, none of us are here. |
| 23:10.03 | Ronin | ma3x: nope we're closed due to the heat |
| 23:10.27 | Zykboss | ma3x, stable ? |
| 23:10.42 | stetyR | hola |
| 23:11.03 | rbochan | ma3x: now hunnt down "that guy" who upgraded your box before and kick 'em in the nads |
| 23:11.04 | Eulex | acidbeat311, rmmod the old driver and modprobe the new? or simple run alsaconf |
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| 23:11.07 | ma3x | yeeeeeeeeeap, stabloooo |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | !upgrade ma3x |
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| 23:12.00 | bwlang | I'm looking for a network management tool that will keep track of all the pcs on my network... is there such a beast in debian? |
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| 23:12.22 | rsff | Guys. What is the name of the comandline program I can use to lowercase every filename in a directory? |
| 23:12.28 | ma3x | why can't i pause the console and page up, page down |
| 23:12.32 | abrotman | bwlang: like .. visio ? .. or something to discover? |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | rsff: sed ? ls ? |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | awk ? |
| 23:12.58 | abrotman | !rename |
| 23:13.01 | abrotman | erm |
| 23:13.08 | Eulex | !beer ma3x |
| 23:13.29 | useruser | ma3x: i don't know. i can |
| 23:13.33 | bwlang | abrotman: i was thinking about something like OCS inventory - that will discover. I can make drawings in inkscape |
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| 23:13.44 | abrotman | bwlang: dia can make your drawings |
| 23:13.51 | gravity | tr? |
| 23:13.56 | abrotman | gravity: cheater |
| 23:14.05 | ma3x | hehehe thannnks Eulex ! |
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| 23:14.17 | abrotman | bwlang: and you tried `apt-cache search discover network` ? |
| 23:14.21 | gentoothreefour | does anyone know how to patch fbsplash |
| 23:14.29 | kittenbot | rename y/ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz/ * ? |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | gentoothreefour: on gentoo ? |
| 23:14.41 | ma3x | okay now i did apt-get install XFree86server and fluxbox |
| 23:14.46 | useruser | kittenbot: sounds like you want tr |
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| 23:14.48 | ma3x | Eulex : can you assist me please/ |
| 23:15.00 | gentoothreefour | abrotman, yes and on debian |
| 23:15.11 | kittenbot | useruser: sed rules them all :) |
| 23:15.14 | Eulex | maybe. ask your question and someone will probably answer |
| 23:15.15 | abrotman | !fbsplash |
| 23:15.25 | ma3x | ok, I am trying to setup XFree86 |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | gentoothreefour: don't you just patch your kernel like any other patch ? |
| 23:15.26 | gentoothreefour | !fbsplash ? |
| 23:15.35 | useruser | kittenbot: how do you upcase stuff in sed? |
| 23:15.35 | ma3x | I did XFree86 configure and it gave an error |
| 23:15.37 | gentoothreefour | how do i do that |
| 23:15.40 | ma3x | I will report it in a moment |
| 23:16.10 | kittenbot | useruser: you write it what I just wrote the other way around... |
| 23:16.16 | kittenbot | s/it// |
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| 23:16.27 | gentoothreefour | abrotman, how do i do that |
| 23:16.30 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg drxx ; /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 23:16.31 | useruser | kittenbot: ah, nice |
| 23:16.33 | rsff | abrotman, rename gives me this error " Unrecognized character \xE2 at (eval 1) line 1." |
| 23:16.35 | abrotman | gentoothreefour: man patch ? .. |
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| 23:16.42 | abrotman | gentoothreefour: #kernel ? |
| 23:16.49 | gravity | gentoothreefour: Are you on Debian? |
| 23:17.00 | ma3x | Could not load the shared library file for glide |
| 23:17.06 | rsff | ah well. I'll figure it out later. |
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| 23:17.17 | ma3x | libglide2x.so |
| 23:17.20 | abrotman | gravity: he says he is .. i'm skeptical :) |
| 23:17.24 | gravity | gentoothreefour: Because if you are you could use the kernel-package. That's the debian way of doing things. |
| 23:17.36 | stew | kittenbot: you know rename y/A-Z/a-z/ works too |
| 23:17.39 | gravity | gentoothreefour: So you should read the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package to learn how to patch your custom kernel. |
| 23:18.03 | gravity | gentoothreefour: It's also the easiest way to handle that over multiple kernel versions |
| 23:18.17 | ma3x | and when i try to test the new created XFree86 config file |
| 23:18.20 | ma3x | i get this: |
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| 23:18.27 | ma3x | failed to initialize core devices |
| 23:18.37 | stew | ma3x: /msg 2.6 mouse |
| 23:18.40 | Wyzard | gentoothreefour: If you don't have experience with compiling custom kernels, btw, you might want to try compiling a plain unpatched one first, just to learn how with minimal complications |
| 23:18.48 | stew | ma3x: erre /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
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| 23:19.22 | kittenbot | stew: I don't think sed liked ranges in y/// -- as rename is a perl think, some differences are to be expected :) |
| 23:19.24 | Eulex | ma3x, libglide2x.so exists in the libglide2 package |
| 23:19.29 | kittenbot | think=thing |
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| 23:20.15 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 23:20.22 | gravity | Yay |
| 23:20.28 | ma3x | Eulex thanks, installed it. |
| 23:20.33 | stew | kittenbot: sed does not, rename likes them fine, i was just saying that the rename command you gave above could have been much shorter |
| 23:20.34 | ma3x | now let's try that mouse stuff |
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| 23:20.42 | gravity | Gentoo is so aw3som3 133t that I have to come in to #debian to do what I want with it! |
| 23:20.45 | gravity | feh |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | !aolify gravity |
| 23:20.59 | abrotman | gravity: how goes the xorg stuff ? |
| 23:21.03 | _metaperl | is gentoo a fork of debian? |
| 23:21.13 | Wyzard | _metaperl: no |
| 23:21.13 | gravity | abrotman: Coming along... still broken on some arches. |
| 23:21.14 | Eulex | !gentoosmite _metaperl |
| 23:21.21 | abrotman | gravity: bummer ... |
| 23:21.21 | gravity | Hopefully getting that fixed as we speak |
| 23:21.27 | asdf__ | is there a sid netinst iso? I have been unable to find one. I have an nx8220 and nothing works with etch |
| 23:21.27 | _metaperl | lol |
| 23:21.30 | gravity | _metaperl: No, it's not |
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| 23:21.32 | kittenbot | stew: Agreed. |
| 23:21.37 | toresbe | Anyone here remember where the 2.6.12 debs are? |
| 23:21.39 | Wyzard | asdf__: There's no installer for sid |
| 23:21.42 | _metaperl | 0.5% faster |
| 23:21.55 | Wyzard | asdf__: To get sid, you install stable and then upgrade |
| 23:22.14 | FabParma | in teh secon dvd id theere the source? |
| 23:22.15 | asdf__ | Wyzard: ok, apt-get distupgrade? |
| 23:22.17 | Eulex | asdf__, why not troubleshoot it on etch instead of shooting yourself in the foot by upgrading to sid? |
| 23:22.17 | Wyzard | asdf__: You can run stable's installer in expert mode and tell it to install sid directly, but it doesn't always work |
| 23:22.34 | paulswm | !apt-gentoo |
| 23:22.35 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02502.html |
| 23:22.35 | stew | asdf__: now is not a good time to switch to sid |
| 23:22.45 | asdf__ | Eulex: because nothing works, I have an ATI X600 card |
| 23:22.47 | Wyzard | asdf__: Yes, dist-upgrade... but it's not a good idea to upgrade to sid without knowing what that implies, just to find out whether it supports a certain particular piece of hardware |
| 23:22.55 | abrotman | paulswm: ! |
| 23:23.02 | paulswm | abrotman! |
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| 23:23.08 | abrotman | paulswm: you don't love us anymore ? |
| 23:23.19 | user01 | is a usb flash drive considered ram? |
| 23:23.27 | abrotman | no |
| 23:23.28 | Eulex | asdf__, pebkac -- define "nothing works" |
| 23:23.29 | abrotman | it's considered storage |
| 23:23.37 | Wyzard | user01: No, modprobe usb-storage, and it'll appear as a SCSI disk |
| 23:23.38 | paulswm | abrotman: sng told me to foad so I did (well the fo anyway) |
| 23:23.39 | toresbe | user01: Do you mean, does Linux see it as a RAM device? |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | paulswm: but he says that to everyone :) |
| 23:24.04 | abrotman | paulswm: i've gotten it more than once |
| 23:24.07 | user01 | i was wondering if an old question was still correct: |
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| 23:24.20 | user01 | for a linux review test |
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| 23:24.26 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | user01: make sense :) |
| 23:24.40 | rbochan | <blank stare> |
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| 23:24.55 | ma3x | ok i did the steps >> /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 23:24.59 | rbochan | <blink> |
| 23:25.03 | ma3x | now i am not able to follow the FAQ |
| 23:25.07 | ma3x | as i have no browser |
| 23:25.13 | ma3x | what do i do next? |
| 23:25.13 | Eulex | asdf__, your gfx card should work ok with either vesa, ati or fglrx -- and I have nfi what an nx8220 is |
| 23:25.18 | user01 | 25. What types of devices may be attached via the USB port? (Choose all that apply.) |
| 23:25.22 | abrotman | ma3x: that should be enoguh |
| 23:25.28 | toresbe | paulswm: scarynetworkguy just lacks the social intelligence not to insult his friends. the rest of us miss you! Please read up on ignore if he bothers you. :P |
| 23:25.28 | user01 | A. Keyboards |
| 23:25.28 | user01 | B. Modems |
| 23:25.28 | user01 | C. RAM |
| 23:25.28 | user01 | D. Printers |
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| 23:25.29 | black13 | i have been working on derivative on usig debian for a small bootable cd flash i want to post to a public forum what i have done where would be a good place to do that? |
| 23:25.32 | Eulex | ma3x, install a browser? |
| 23:25.33 | abrotman | are we getting an LPI cert for this ? |
| 23:25.39 | asdf__ | Eulex: I have all sorts of problems, first netinst couldn't find a kernel to boot, I used kernel 2.4 and it did. Now networking doesn't work with a 2.6.8 kernel, XFree86 doesn't work because my laptop has an ATI X600 card (HP nx8220). I guess I will either have to switch to sid or... :/ |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | ma3x: links is a browser |
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| 23:25.51 | user01 | sorry |
| 23:25.54 | Wyzard | user01: vague question, and not Linux-specific anyway |
| 23:26.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: not vague at all |
| 23:26.02 | beardy | !tell user01 about enter |
| 23:26.10 | abrotman | !tell user01 about paste |
| 23:26.15 | paulswm | toresbe: You are too kind buddy |
| 23:26.19 | Wyzard | user01: But flash memory generally isn't considered RAM... it's programmable ROM |
| 23:26.42 | shingouz | paulswm: toresbe is cool even in person |
| 23:26.43 | toresbe | Wyzard: it is NOT PRON, that's 100% sure. |
| 23:26.45 | ma3x | guys, can anybody please paste me from their XFree config |
| 23:26.48 | abrotman | shingouz: you lie! |
| 23:26.49 | ma3x | that mouse stuff |
| 23:26.52 | toresbe | paulswm: shingouz gave me hardware |
| 23:26.55 | shingouz | abrotman: seen him? |
| 23:26.57 | ma3x | i got usb mouse with Zaxis mapping |
| 23:26.58 | abrotman | ma3x: what kind of mouse is it ? |
| 23:27.00 | ma3x | what was that option? |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | shingouz: toresbe keeps sending me naked pics .. |
| 23:27.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:27.11 | Wyzard | toresbe: It's closer to programmable ROM than to static or dynamic RAM |
| 23:27.16 | toresbe | abrotman: *rawr* :P |
| 23:27.17 | Eulex | asdf__, sid will not fix a thing, it will rather break it -- btw, what kind of networking card do you have? what driver are you trying to use with the x600? |
| 23:27.20 | toresbe | Wyzard: not by fucking FAR. |
| 23:27.27 | FabParma | in teh secon dvd there is source or paclages (debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent 08-Jun-2005 12:30) |
| 23:27.28 | abrotman | toresbe: i don't think boys can rawr |
| 23:27.31 | shingouz | abrotman: which you object to. of course. no pr0n for you :p |
| 23:27.31 | user01 | Wyzard: could you theoretically use flash disk as ram though? |
| 23:27.37 | paulswm | shingouz: you gave toresbe hardware? |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | shingouz: did you meet him in helsinki? |
| 23:27.44 | ma3x | abrotman : usb mouse with zaxis 4 5 mapping |
| 23:27.45 | shingouz | yes and yes |
| 23:27.47 | toresbe | well, sold. And it was broken, too :P |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about usbmouse |
| 23:27.55 | toresbe | Wyzard: PROM can be burnt once. |
| 23:27.57 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about usb mouse |
| 23:27.58 | Wyzard | user01: Not in the sense that you use the RAM that comes in DIMM form, no |
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| 23:28.01 | shingouz | toresbe: the L40 works |
| 23:28.03 | Wyzard | toresbe: EEPROM, sorry |
| 23:28.04 | FabParma | in teh secon dvd there is source or paclages (debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent 08-Jun-2005 12:30) this is a dvd realesa |
| 23:28.11 | toresbe | Wyzard: You are probably thinking about EEPROM, and still you're wrong ;) |
| 23:28.20 | Eulex | user01, you could make it swap, but that is a very bad idea |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | not really |
| 23:28.31 | Wyzard | toresbe: What I mean is that you can't rewrite individual bytes at random; you have to wipe a whole block and then rewrite all of it |
| 23:28.33 | toresbe | shingouz: probably still does, too. :) |
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| 23:28.35 | abrotman | unless you unplug it whilie the system is running :) |
| 23:28.50 | shingouz | toresbe: yes, unless you spilled pepsi on it |
| 23:29.00 | toresbe | I don't drink pepsi |
| 23:29.07 | shingouz | toresbe: like you managed to slosh on my tp600 ;) |
| 23:29.10 | Eulex | and then there's a limited number of times flash memory can be rewritten |
| 23:29.15 | paulswm | toresbe: I have a shitload of broken stuff to sell :P |
| 23:29.18 | toresbe | shingouz: I did not spill a lot :P |
| 23:29.19 | Wyzard | user01: For one thing, flash memory can only withstand a limited number of writes... it's in the thousands, I think, so as a "disk"-type device it's OK, but trying to use it as RAM, you'd very quickly destroy it |
| 23:29.21 | abrotman | toresbe: you dirty bastard! |
| 23:29.22 | shingouz | out of my pepsi bottle nonetheless :p |
| 23:29.22 | asdf__ | Eulex: I am trying to use the ATI driver. My network card is a Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet |
| 23:29.25 | toresbe | paulswm: I'd buy it, too ;) |
| 23:29.41 | toresbe | shingouz: had I broken it I would've given you mine, of course. |
| 23:29.44 | user01 | i thought that ram just meant read/writable memory unlike rom that is fixed |
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| 23:30.01 | Eulex | asdf__, so, what happens when you try to start X? |
| 23:30.02 | abrotman | Phated: ? |
| 23:30.04 | shingouz | toresbe: hehe.. just had to pull your leg a bit :) |
| 23:30.04 | Wyzard | user01: RAM means you can read and/or write any location at random |
| 23:30.12 | toresbe | user01: RAM technically does mean memory which you can access with no seek penalty |
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| 23:30.16 | toresbe | shingouz: :) |
| 23:30.17 | asdf__ | Eulex: no screens found |
| 23:30.35 | toresbe | user01: however, it is usually taken to mean the working memory of the computer. |
| 23:30.40 | Wyzard | user01: With flash, you can't do that -- you have to erase a whole cell (a few kilobytes in size) and rewrite it (with the new contents, even if they only differ by a single byte) in one operation |
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| 23:31.04 | user01 | wyzard: ah so it is more like a hard drive then |
| 23:31.17 | Wyzard | user01: Sort of |
| 23:31.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:31.23 | toresbe | user01: it was coined in the 50s describing core memory, as opposed to drum memory where there actually was a (quite significant) delay depending on what you were reading |
| 23:31.25 | Eulex | asdf__, comment out Load "GLcore" and Load "dri" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:31.45 | pablum | Wyzard, it's in the 100's of k times, and testimony among flashers is that it is conservative... |
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| 23:32.03 | Wyzard | pablum: Good to know :-) |
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| 23:32.28 | user01 | ok well i got that wrong then... ABD not ABCD |
| 23:32.35 | Wyzard | pablum: There are filsystems meant to evenly distribute the "write load" across a whole flash device to avoid wearing out some cells faster than others... unfortunately, they're not widely supported |
| 23:32.48 | toresbe | user01: (for info about that, read The Story of Mel) |
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| 23:32.55 | pablum | Wyzard, there is also stuff to randomize the position of the writes so you aren't always starting off at the same place whenever you erase the ram. |
| 23:33.04 | pablum | hah.. |
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| 23:33.17 | Wyzard | user01: Well, it'd certainly be possible to make a USB "RAM disk", which acts basically like an external hard drive except that it loses its contents when you unplug it |
| 23:33.22 | Wyzard | user01: That's why I say it's a vague question |
| 23:33.24 | asdf__ | Eulex: when XFree86 probed my hardware it reported it didn't find any hardware so I doubt there's such an entry in my XFree86-Config. I will boot to debian and try it. |
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| 23:34.04 | user01 | Wyzard: the question was written in 2001 |
| 23:34.08 | Wyzard | user01: Such things exist, actually, typically with battery-backup units -- they're used by servers that need fast temporary storage |
| 23:34.08 | Eulex | asdf__, if you selected the ati driver manually and then used standard settings there are such lines |
| 23:34.08 | cockroach | where can i read about the exact meaning of the debian/compat file lintian keeps whining about? |
| 23:34.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: honestly .. it's not that vague .. i say only RAM is false |
| 23:34.51 | asdf__ | Eulex: oh ok :) |
| 23:35.26 | FabParma | PLS: in tehe secon dvd there is sources or pacKages? I mean debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent (Dvd release) |
| 23:35.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: I agree that ABD is the answer, but that assumes a particular meaning of "RAM" which isn't the only valid meaning |
| 23:35.50 | ma3x | abrotman please help me |
| 23:35.57 | ma3x | still not able to solve the mouse problem |
| 23:36.04 | pablum | Wyzard, I agree: it's ambiguous |
| 23:36.05 | user01 | i was going to not inclue ram but then i thought "oh wait! ram disk!" |
| 23:36.15 | ma3x | XFree won't detect the mouse |
| 23:36.15 | abrotman | ma3x: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
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| 23:36.22 | abrotman | ma3x: and reboot first |
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| 23:36.26 | pablum | user01, that's different. |
| 23:36.32 | Wyzard | pablum is right -- "ambiguous" is a better word than "vague" in this case |
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| 23:36.42 | Ipsooo | FabParma i have both dvds, i can check if you want |
| 23:36.45 | ma3x | how can i paste that? |
| 23:36.49 | ma3x | i am not able to copy |
| 23:36.54 | rbochan | ma3x: what's the output of this command: cat /etc/modules |grep mouse |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | ma3x: did you reboot first ? |
| 23:37.07 | ma3x | abrotman no, should i do it now? |
| 23:37.17 | abrotman | ma3x: please |
| 23:37.20 | ma3x | ok |
| 23:37.27 | FieldySnuts | god not this guy again |
| 23:37.30 | abrotman | how the fuck did he get bitchx? |
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| 23:37.39 | user01 | i see the difference though...ram ram disk is like saying ice and iced coffee |
| 23:37.41 | abrotman | i thought it was removed from sarge |
| 23:37.47 | rbochan | was it? |
| 23:37.50 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: yet another cluebie? |
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| 23:37.56 | abrotman | !info bitchx sarge |
| 23:37.58 | dpkg | bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1494 kB, Installed size: 6512 kB |
| 23:38.03 | abrotman | oh .. darn |
| 23:38.06 | Eulex | seems not |
| 23:38.06 | aum | hi - sarge/ext3 weirdness - a web/email server running 100 days showed a full ext3 volume via df, but du showed only 20% of that usage - after a reboot df showed correct usage - any ideas? |
| 23:38.11 | Guerin | yeah, it snuck back in |
| 23:38.18 | abrotman | aum: df -i ? |
| 23:38.41 | Guerin | aum: possibly tempfiles. Did you use df --all? |
| 23:38.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:38.44 | aum | after reboot, df -i shows correct totals |
| 23:38.46 | Guerin | du --all |
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| 23:39.02 | aum | the /tmp directory had very little |
| 23:39.04 | madclicker | looking for latest "debian installer CD". Can you help a brother? |
| 23:39.11 | abrotman | what does /tmp have to do with it ? |
| 23:39.16 | user01 | thanks! let me go back to correcting the rest of my test... |
| 23:39.17 | aum | tmpfiles |
| 23:39.20 | madclicker | hey abrot |
| 23:39.27 | abrotman | hi |
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| 23:39.30 | abrotman | !d-i madclicker |
| 23:39.31 | FieldySnuts | heh you're running a server and /tmp isn't it's own partition? |
| 23:39.31 | dpkg | madclicker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:39.32 | Guerin | madclicker: some bad apps put tempfiles in other dirs |
| 23:39.35 | FieldySnuts | !hack madclicker |
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| 23:39.38 | pablum | aum, apache doesn't let go of fd's until you restart it. Could that be it? |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | madclicker: and if you want the newest .. check #debian-boot |
| 23:39.55 | ma3x | abrotman : rebooted, yet mouse detection not successful |
| 23:40.00 | aum | pablus: valid but very scary thought |
| 23:40.07 | abrotman | ma3x: dmesg | grep -i mouse .. is there anything there? |
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| 23:40.16 | ma3x | yes, but how can i paste you that? |
| 23:40.23 | madclicker | THANKS FELLOWS |
| 23:40.25 | Eulex | !tell ma3x about paster |
| 23:40.31 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | ma3x: but not here .. in #flood |
| 23:40.42 | ma3x | ok |
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| 23:41.30 | ma3x | why is it ps/2, it should be usb |
| 23:41.38 | WiFiTux | come on. I can't be the only one with no gaim working if using Sid. |
| 23:41.49 | WiFiTux | bts won't say a thing |
| 23:41.55 | abrotman | it's broken |
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| 23:41.58 | abrotman | WiFiTux: see topic |
| 23:41.59 | aum | is the x.org transition on sid a minefield of apt/dpkg brokenness, or is it fairly straightforward? |
| 23:42.01 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: I'm using sid, but haven't restarted gaim in a few weeks |
| 23:42.09 | WiFiTux | abrotman: ah |
| 23:42.11 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: I've heard others say stuff was broken in the current versions though |
| 23:42.13 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: ah |
| 23:42.27 | pablum | aum, it's not so bad, iirc: if you delete the files from outside the httpd session while apache is holding them open it retains the file info... (again, this is a long time ago) |
| 23:42.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: Which part of the topic were you referring to, btw? |
| 23:42.59 | WiFiTux | abrotman: the problem is that I can't see any bugs about it. |
| 23:43.00 | pablum | s/session/process/ (or maybe process group) |
| 23:43.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: the whole thing ? |
| 23:43.09 | WiFiTux | yeah, what part? |
| 23:43.22 | abrotman | the part where it says BEWARE BREAKAGE! |
| 23:43.25 | WiFiTux | !topicsmite abrotman |
| 23:43.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon abrotman. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:43.29 | abrotman | i read it |
| 23:43.41 | WiFiTux | abrotman: gcc has nothing to do |
| 23:43.43 | xoz | WiFiTux: gaim: Depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | WiFiTux: ok |
| 23:43.50 | jshoenberger | cp $1 $2 |
| 23:43.50 | jshoenberger | vim -s $SCRIPT_PATH/makeLongScript $2 |
| 23:43.53 | WiFiTux | xoz: yep, same here |
| 23:43.55 | jshoenberger | Ah! Sorry! |
| 23:44.00 | jshoenberger | I right clicked :( |
| 23:44.03 | abrotman | WiFiTux: which is gcc breakage iirc |
| 23:44.03 | black13 | again i ask, i have been working on derivative of debian for a small bootable cd flash i want to post to a public forum what i have done where would be a good place to do that? |
| 23:44.06 | Eulex | !btssmite xoz |
| 23:44.17 | landslide | apt-get keeps telling me this: dpkg-preconfigure: cannot connect to X server |
| 23:44.18 | landslide | is there a way to turn off the xwindow configuration and just use the ncursers one? |
| 23:44.25 | WiFiTux | There is no bug about it. |
| 23:44.38 | WiFiTux | the thing is, it might not be a gaim bug |
| 23:44.38 | abrotman | landslide: yes |
| 23:44.43 | xoz | WiFiTux: broken packages |
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| 23:45.03 | Eulex | landslide, it should use the ncurses one automatically if there's no xserver |
| 23:45.04 | xoz | WiFiTux: wait until the next lib is uploaded |
| 23:45.06 | WiFiTux | xoz: yep, wants to remove abiword and kstuff |
| 23:45.12 | xoz | Eulex: wtf |
| 23:45.21 | jshoenberger | exit |
| 23:45.30 | WiFiTux | xoz: yes, I will, is just that has been a week, I tought it was a layer 8 problem |
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| 23:45.38 | landslide | eulex: it doesn't it just says 'frontend: cannot connect to X server' |
| 23:45.45 | drac | landslide: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, choose dialog. |
| 23:45.46 | pablum | why do I have to have coworkers that send 120MB emails around, because they "can't get in the server"? |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | landslide: fix it |
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| 23:45.53 | outlaw84 | My installation seams to be using sw opengl how do I set it to use hw support that I got in my graphics card? |
| 23:46.09 | Wyzard | outlaw84: What video card? |
| 23:46.19 | xoz | WiFiTux: you can have apt-get install gaim/sarge |
| 23:46.23 | outlaw84 | ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb |
| 23:46.37 | xoz | or *testing for a while |
| 23:46.42 | outlaw84 | I have even installed the unclean ati driver |
| 23:46.43 | landslide | drac: thanks! |
| 23:46.53 | drac | outlaw84: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 23:46.57 | Wyzard | outlaw84: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 23:47.01 | WiFiTux | xoz: nah |
| 23:47.21 | landslide | drac: dpkg-reconfigure says same thing |
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| 23:47.46 | abrotman | ma3x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. and pick /dev/input/mice |
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| 23:48.04 | Ipsooo | is there anyone to answer a question from a wifi-newbie? :p |
| 23:48.09 | WiFiTux | abrotman: btw, what happen to /dev/psaux |
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| 23:48.16 | abrotman | WiFiTux: dodo |
| 23:48.25 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: Not unless you ask the question :-) |
| 23:48.31 | shingouz | Ipsooo: /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:48.38 | WiFiTux | Ipsooo: shoot |
| 23:49.03 | WiFiTux | abrotman: going to OLS? |
| 23:49.12 | Ipsooo | well i was wondering whether a simple pci card could act as an access point? |
| 23:49.19 | Ipsooo | i'm using sarge |
| 23:49.29 | WiFiTux | Ipsooo: is called master mode. And yes. |
| 23:49.30 | abrotman | WiFiTux: nope |
| 23:49.43 | WiFiTux | abrotman: lets go next year. |
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| 23:49.46 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: Depends on the driver... the HostAP driver supports that, but the only cards it supports are 802.11b |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | maybe |
| 23:49.49 | WiFiTux | abrotman: $$ |
| 23:50.10 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: I don't know of any 802.11g cards whose Linux drivers support operating in master mode, but that's not to say that none exist for sure |
| 23:50.22 | Ipsooo | ok thx |
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| 23:50.38 | WiFiTux | Ipsooo: just make a ad-hoc and install dhcpd and tadda! |
| 23:50.59 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: Isn't WPA only usable in managed mode, though? |
| 23:51.13 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: You got it. |
| 23:51.17 | Ipsooo | i thought that ad-hoc was a point to point connection between two interfaces? |
| 23:51.33 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: apt-cache show hostapd |
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| 23:51.34 | ABRAXAS77 | hi |
| 23:51.44 | ABRAXAS77 | how can i disable the automatic startx on the boot? |
| 23:51.52 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: Looks like your other options are prism54 (but that doesn't support WPA yet) and madwifi (probably your best bet at this point) |
| 23:51.54 | ABRAXAS77 | in debian sarge |
| 23:51.54 | drac | ABRAXAS77: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 23:51.55 | WiFiTux | Ipsooo: it doesn't make a difference if you don't care about Fle Sharing |
| 23:51.56 | shingouz | ABRAXAS77: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 23:52.12 | madclicker | abrotman: debian-boot is quite, the ftp has only the one from March, is there any later ones? |
| 23:52.13 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, weren't you on slack? |
| 23:52.21 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex, yes,but i installed debian |
| 23:52.24 | ABRAXAS77 | in new partition |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | madclicker: you asked #debian-boot ? |
| 23:52.32 | shingouz | !beer ABRAXAS77 |
| 23:52.34 | madclicker | qui |
| 23:52.40 | Eulex | !win ABRAXAS77 |
| 23:52.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, ABRAXAS77! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:52.41 | abrotman | madclicker: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:52.50 | WiFiTux | !loose slackware |
| 23:52.51 | dpkg | You lose slackware! [and wifitux can't spell, either.] |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | madclicker: see the 'newer' section |
| 23:52.55 | WiFiTux | heh |
| 23:52.56 | abrotman | haha |
| 23:52.58 | Ipsooo | the card i ordered is based on a ralink chipset i think, not prism or anything more common |
| 23:53.03 | Ipsooo | i'll see |
| 23:53.04 | WiFiTux | abrotman: always the same thing |
| 23:53.04 | ABRAXAS77 | :-) |
| 23:53.20 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: If you're using WEP (or no encryption) rather than WPA, then I think you don't need hostapd, so some other drivers might work too... but you shouldn't run an insecure wireless network |
| 23:53.29 | madclicker | abrotman: thx |
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| 23:53.48 | Ipsooo | no wep at my place :p |
| 23:53.55 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: I've never heard of ralink... you might have trouble finding a driver for it at all |
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| 23:54.25 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: And again, you shouldn't run in insecure wireless network |
| 23:54.30 | shingouz | i have a strange feeling that ralink is one of those ndiswrapper thingies. i hope i am wrong |
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| 23:54.54 | Eulex | Ipsooo, http://www.methods.co.nz/doc/ralink-2400.html |
| 23:54.59 | Wyzard | I've used ndiswrapper and it isn't bad, but it only works for the client side of things... no master mode |
| 23:55.05 | Ipsooo | i know, and i don't want to have an insecure network too... |
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| 23:55.35 | ABRAXAS77 | shingouz, drac thank you |
| 23:55.36 | shingouz | Ipsooo: wireless is always insecure because it is wireless |
| 23:55.38 | Ipsooo | there is an opensource driver for these cards, thats something at least |
| 23:55.56 | Eulex | Ipsooo, http://www.bb-zone.com/misc/rt2500/ quote: "Ralink has put their source code under the GPL" *clap* *clap* |
| 23:55.58 | Ipsooo | i can still setup up a vpn or something |
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| 23:56.17 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: hostapd supports the madwifi driver, and I've been told that madwifi in CVS supports WPA, so if you get an Atheros card you could (theoretically, at least) run an access point using WPA |
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| 23:56.20 | Ipsooo | setup up??? god i'm tired :p |
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| 23:56.30 | pablum | !beer ralink |
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| 23:56.45 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: If you decide to go the VPN route, OpenVPN would be worth looking into |
| 23:56.57 | ABRAXAS77 | resolution? |
| 23:56.58 | shingouz | Ipsooo: yes you can. wireless is nice but it is not really secure unless it is turned off. the same goes for any other network for that matter. in real life the security is acceptable though |
| 23:57.04 | hansvi | OpenVPN works like a charm! |
| 23:57.12 | ABRAXAS77 | shingouz, how to set new resolution? |
| 23:57.16 | shingouz | and yes, i am splitting hair |
| 23:57.17 | ABRAXAS77 | i have 800x600 |
| 23:57.23 | WiFiTux | hansvi: but hard to get working |
| 23:57.30 | shingouz | ABRAXAS77: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:57.45 | Wyzard | shingouz: WPA at least uses well-established strong crypto |
| 23:57.47 | ABRAXAS77 | thank u shingouz |
| 23:57.58 | shingouz | Wyzard: true |
| 23:57.58 | Eulex | !u |
| 23:57.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:58.02 | Ipsooo | i guess i'll just give internet access to this interface, no file sharing or other stuff |
| 23:58.11 | nvz | fauck |
| 23:58.12 | nvz | heh |
| 23:58.15 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: Even that isn't a great idea |
| 23:58.34 | Ipsooo | i don't have a choice for the moment |
| 23:58.35 | nvz | damn state store in leetsdale closes at 7pm on monday.. can you believe that shit.. bastards |
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| 23:58.43 | shingouz | Ipsooo: if possible, use wired |
| 23:58.48 | hansvi | I use OpenVPN at home on my wireless, just start it using pre/post scripts in interfaces |
