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| 00:00.55 | seven_six_two | ok so it says it's busy when i try to umount. it's ok to just unplug it? |
| 00:01.01 | Eulex | seven_six_two, no |
| 00:01.16 | Eulex | seven_six_two, get any program that's in that dir out of it |
| 00:01.47 | seven_six_two | ah ok...thanks |
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| 00:01.59 | zite | the little kde bar at the bottom isn't responding - what do I do? |
| 00:02.01 | tecnico | hello |
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| 00:02.22 | zite | how do I get it back or whatever? |
| 00:03.05 | ctrlER | can someone help me with the following error: I did module-assistant fakesource and next module-assistant build loop-aes but it keeps telling me that /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source, how can i get a module to build using a stock kernel? |
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| 00:04.15 | sykopomp | ergh one sec |
| 00:05.17 | eowo | anyone available to help me with a wireless network problem? |
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| 00:05.39 | Eulex | eowo, what is the problem? |
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| 00:06.25 | eowo | i have got everything set up as it should, but it isnt connecting to my existing network |
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| 00:06.50 | eowo | no encriptopn i's set to the right ssid, channel, etc |
| 00:07.04 | Eulex | eowo, what are you doing that you think would connect to the network? |
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| 00:07.40 | eowo | well i used "ifconfig wlan0 up" |
| 00:07.51 | Eulex | and what does it do? |
| 00:07.56 | eowo | nothing |
| 00:08.08 | sykopomp | need tto reboott... |
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| 00:08.17 | eowo | then i checked "iwconfig wlan0" |
| 00:08.30 | Eulex | eowo, define "nothing" |
| 00:08.35 | eowo | and it has a mac address under access point |
| 00:08.45 | eowo | well it accepts the command |
| 00:08.49 | ctrlER | can someone help me with the question above? |
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| 00:09.15 | Eulex | eowo, it prints nothing? |
| 00:09.19 | eowo | nope |
| 00:09.32 | Eulex | eowo, then, what does it print? |
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| 00:09.54 | eowo | nothing just misses a line and goes back to aprompt |
| 00:10.13 | eowo | aratodiel:~# |
| 00:10.59 | Eulex | eowo, run dhclient wlan0 |
| 00:11.11 | beardy | zite: Perhaps someone in #kde can help you? I don'r really know what you mean, I don't run kde, but if all else fails, restart kde? |
| 00:11.46 | eowo | ok i have an ip :D |
| 00:11.57 | Eulex | eowo, cool -- btw, you like tolkien? |
| 00:12.24 | eowo | tolkien as in the writer? |
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| 00:12.35 | Ipsooo | how can I build udebs for the debian installer? |
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| 00:12.40 | Eulex | eowo, yes, and his works |
| 00:12.49 | ctrlER | I did module-assistant fakesource and next module-assistant build loop-aes but it keeps telling me that /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source, how can i get a module to build using a stock kernel? |
| 00:12.55 | peterS | Ipsooo: new ones or ones from existing sources? |
| 00:13.00 | eowo | i have read 1/2 of the hobbit and all of the lotr |
| 00:13.03 | Ipsooo | new ones |
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| 00:13.08 | Eulex | eowo, eowo and aratodiel could be taken right out of his books |
| 00:13.14 | eowo | i'm right in to pratvhet just now |
| 00:13.22 | peterS | Ipsooo: debhelper interprets a field in debian/control like 'Binary-type: udeb' or similar - I forget the exact name |
| 00:13.25 | eowo | *pratchet |
| 00:13.29 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 00:13.31 | peterS | Ipsooo: and it basically just Does The Right Thing at that point |
| 00:13.43 | eowo | oh heh these are all names from my mmorpg chars :D |
| 00:13.43 | peterS | *pratchett |
| 00:13.49 | eowo | thats the one |
| 00:14.11 | Ipsooo | it is the same process used for deb packages then? |
| 00:14.19 | glasse | ctrlER: Copy /boot/config-2.6.8-2-386 to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386/.config ? |
| 00:14.25 | Wyzard | ctrlER: Rather than loop-aes, consider using dm-crypt, which uses standard kernel facilities (device-mapper and cryptoapi) and doesn't need any special kernel patches |
| 00:15.18 | peterS | Ipsooo: yeah. details are different, but if you use debhelper, it takes care of most of them for you |
| 00:15.36 | Ipsooo | ok thx, i'll try |
| 00:15.41 | Eulex | eowo, eowo sounds like someone from rohan, aratodiel sounds like an elf |
| 00:15.47 | peterS | Ipsooo: another thing to keep in mind: you will want to build with 'gcc -Os' probably - that is, optimise for small size |
| 00:15.57 | Thanatermesis | TESTING: Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing |
| 00:15.59 | Thanatermesis | any indea ? |
| 00:16.10 | peterS | Thanatermesis: context? that's normal if you're using pbuilder or similar |
| 00:16.11 | Thanatermesis | (ssh start) |
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| 00:16.47 | eowo | eowoidric was my norse skalds name on Dark age of camelot, aratrodiel is my gf's undead warlock on world of warcraft |
| 00:17.00 | Thanatermesis | peterS, Im in chroot |
| 00:17.17 | ctrlER | Wyzard, its not a patch, is a module |
| 00:17.26 | eowo | Eluex, is there anyway i can get debian to run those commands once it has fully booted? |
| 00:17.28 | Wyzard | ctrlER: sorry |
| 00:17.33 | Wyzard | ctrlER: But it still has to be compiled separately |
| 00:17.35 | Thanatermesis | this is normal in chroot ? |
| 00:17.40 | Ipsooo | and also, something i think i didn't quite get: during the installation process, is that busybox running the commands behind the installer? or is that just a side shell that isn't involved? |
| 00:17.44 | Wyzard | ctrlER: I'm pretty sure dm-crypt is already in the precompiled kernel |
| 00:17.48 | eowo | so i dont have to have a keyboard or monitor attached? |
| 00:17.51 | Eulex | eowo, man interfaces |
| 00:17.52 | peterS | Thanatermesis: yeah. apparently this is something created by debootstrap. it puts a fake start-stop-daemon in there so you can install packages like ssh without worrying about starting up new network services |
| 00:18.13 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: Depends on what the chroot is for. If it's a pbuilder environment, you don't want it starting daemons that could interfere with the "real" system's operation |
| 00:18.24 | ctrlER | Wyzard, what argument should i use in losetup |
| 00:18.25 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: If you're running a daemon in a chroot for security, that's different |
| 00:18.34 | Wyzard | ctrlER: Don't use losetup... apt-get install cryptsetup |
| 00:19.02 | eowo | Eluex sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 00:19.04 | Wyzard | ctrlER: (dm-crypt uses the device mapper, which is more efficient than the loopback device anyway) |
| 00:19.07 | peterS | if you're running sshd in a chroot for security, this is probably pretty useless. it has to run as root anyway, and drags along a lot of authentication stuff into the chroot |
| 00:19.11 | Thanatermesis | mmmmh... how to repair this ? |
| 00:19.22 | Thanatermesis | I really NEED to run in chroot |
| 00:19.32 | ctrlER | Wyzard, does it do the same thing? create a contender? |
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| 00:19.50 | Eulex | eowo, read man interfaces |
| 00:19.54 | seb___ | what is netcat (nc) good for? |
| 00:20.07 | peterS | Thanatermesis: anyway, you should be able to un-divert start-stop-daemon. check 'dpkg-divert --list' to see if that's what it did |
| 00:20.12 | pureone | seb___ alot ;) |
| 00:20.14 | Wyzard | ctrlER: "contender"? It creates a virtual block device for an underlying encrypted device, same thing losetup with loop-aes does |
| 00:20.16 | peterS | seb___: lots of little tasks |
| 00:20.23 | metaperl | is he kde info center the most direct way to mount my dvds and cds? |
| 00:20.31 | Wyzard | Seb: I use it to pipe large files or tar streams over a network |
| 00:20.32 | seb___ | peterS: i can make connections with ssh and telnet and ftp |
| 00:20.35 | peterS | seb___: I use it for cheap file transfer with irc people who are behind firewalls and whatnot so they can't send me files via DCC |
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| 00:20.56 | peterS | seb___: I just run 'nc -l -p 1337 > /tmp/something' and then tell the other person to run 'nc p12n.org 1337 < /their/file' |
| 00:20.58 | Wyzard | seb___: It's basically the highest-throughput way to transfer bulk data over a network, since it has no overhead of any protocol above TCP |
| 00:21.07 | Thanatermesis | not are in divert |
| 00:21.10 | green_earz | metaperl: put i mount icon on the desktop |
| 00:21.23 | Thanatermesis | I posible to need my "version" of start-stop-daemon package... |
| 00:21.32 | metaperl | green_earz: thanks. is that easy to do? |
| 00:21.35 | peterS | seb___: that's one simple example. doesn't require any setup like giving the other person ssh access or ftp access or anything |
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| 00:21.45 | peterS | Thanatermesis: start-stop-daemon is included in dpkg |
| 00:21.45 | Wyzard | ctrlER: After you install it, man crypttab |
| 00:21.55 | Thanatermesis | peterS, If reemplace start-stop-daemon for start-stop-damon.REAL if works, ? |
| 00:22.13 | peterS | Thanatermesis: I don't know. I haven't used a pbuilder / debootstrap environment for awhile |
| 00:22.38 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, Im try to reemplace files... |
| 00:23.13 | green_earz | metaperl: right click desktop > pick > config desktop > behavior > device icons |
| 00:23.52 | metaperl | green_earz: thanks! |
| 00:23.55 | green_earz | np |
| 00:23.56 | ctrlER | Wyzard, "Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/cryptdisks ..." why is it doing this? |
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| 00:24.48 | rumta | Hi there is a program for linux to know if somebody block me on MSN? |
| 00:24.51 | Wyzard | ctrlER: so it can automatically set things up at boot time based on entries in /etc/crypttab |
| 00:25.08 | Wyzard | rumta: It's not likely that there's a program for any OS to do that |
| 00:25.39 | ctrlER | hummm |
| 00:26.07 | Wyzard | ctrlER: You can also run cryptsetup manually at any time, of course |
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| 00:26.16 | ctrlER | Wyzard, can i follow this instructions with cryptsetup? |
| 00:26.24 | ctrlER | Wyzard, http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=81 |
| 00:26.35 | Eulex | rumta, gaim can see if a person has blocked you -- just hoover the mouse over the user in the buddy list |
| 00:26.36 | Wyzard | ctrlER: but /etc/crypttab can be useful for any persistent encrypted filesystems you have, or for throwaway encrypted swap or /tmp |
| 00:26.39 | Thanatermesis | thanks a lot for Im understand the problem... |
| 00:26.45 | Wyzard | ctrlER: There are some howtos in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup |
| 00:26.56 | ctrlER | Wyzard, thanks for the help |
| 00:27.17 | ctrlER | Wyzard, btw, what encription protocol does cryptsetup uses? |
| 00:27.38 | Wyzard | ctrlER: AES by default, but you can choose any cipher the kernel supports |
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| 00:28.17 | Wyzard | Eulex: How can it do that if being blocked just means the server tells you the person isn't online? |
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| 00:29.02 | Eulex | Wyzard, that's a point |
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| 00:29.41 | Wyzard | Eulex: Unless the protocol actually tells you you're blocked (which I strongly doubt), it's basically impossible, short of breaking into the server |
| 00:29.42 | Eulex | Wyzard, though you can make gaim show people who seem to be offline |
| 00:29.46 | toresbe | Do packagename-source type modules appear in modules-assistant? |
| 00:30.20 | Wyzard | Eulex: You can make gaim show people who are offline, so that you can click on their names to do things like view saved message logs... but that doesn't tell you the difference between blocked and truly offline, afaik |
| 00:30.38 | eowo | Eulex, is there not a autoexec, type file i can edit so that once the box boots up i can get it to run the ifconfig wlan0, and dhclient? |
| 00:30.40 | Eulex | Wyzard, well, all I know is that when I hoover the mouse over a buddy, the tool tip says "Blocked: no", among other things |
| 00:30.54 | Wyzard | eowo: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:31.00 | eowo | ah k |
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| 00:31.01 | Wyzard | Eulex: Well, that's odd :-) |
| 00:31.02 | Eulex | eowo, /etc/network/interfaces, read man interfaces |
| 00:31.20 | eowo | reading it just now lots of stuff i dont need to know :d |
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| 00:31.47 | digerati | Hello, Does Debian have a pkg or support dvd-dl ? |
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| 00:32.06 | liable | eowo: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 00:32.12 | launch | Twisted Metal2 is available on Linux? |
| 00:32.13 | dh | nero linux? |
| 00:32.30 | gravity | launch: Uh...? |
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| 00:32.45 | launch | gravity windows got a version of twisted metal 2 |
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| 00:32.55 | gravity | That game is ancient |
| 00:32.58 | gravity | And for the PS |
| 00:32.58 | launch | but so nice |
| 00:33.01 | gravity | PS1 |
| 00:33.08 | Vyrus001 | well there is a ps and ps2 emu for nix |
| 00:33.17 | gravity | But no. Not without a PS emulator or wine. |
| 00:33.28 | launch | ps2 can emulate like 5 game for the moment, ... but ps1 nice support? |
| 00:33.32 | Vyrus001 | no ... thee is a ps2 emu that is linux native |
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| 00:33.36 | eowo | thank you all for all your help\ |
| 00:33.59 | Wyzard | launch: There's a PSX emulator called "ePSXe" which has a Linux version |
| 00:34.00 | eowo | only ever used osx and windows before so i know nothing :D |
| 00:34.03 | j4cbo | how can i force which ethernet card is eth0 and which is eth1? |
| 00:34.09 | j4cbo | they both use the same driver |
| 00:34.15 | liable | j4cbo: ifrename |
| 00:34.37 | Wyzard | j4cbo: If you use udev, that can rename them based on their MAC address... or set up ifrename manually |
| 00:34.51 | Eulex | Wyzard, cool, epsxe has a linux version? that's one of the best ps emulators, imho |
| 00:34.58 | launch | thanks wyzard |
| 00:35.06 | j4cbo | this is on 2.4 |
| 00:35.33 | Wyzard | Eulex: I've never used it (only used the Windows version), but it definitely exists |
| 00:35.39 | Simone | I'm attempting to get JRE 1.5 working with firefox here on Sarge... I've convereted the RPM and dpkg -i'd it... I've also symlinked libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/libs/mozilla-firefox/plugins and such, but it doesn't even show up in about:plugins... Any ideas? |
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| 00:35.45 | Wyzard | j4cbo: ifrename it is then, unless you want to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 00:35.58 | Eulex | Wyzard, ok |
| 00:36.05 | j4cbo | this is for a router, i'm using hermesap |
| 00:36.05 | Wyzard | !tell Simone about java-package |
| 00:36.08 | j4cbo | which is 2.4 only |
| 00:36.10 | Wyzard | Simone: Don't convert the RPM |
| 00:36.40 | cougar` | hmmmm |
| 00:36.55 | Simone | Doh |
| 00:37.02 | tvn | Simone: if you do it that way you also need to add java to your path |
| 00:37.15 | Simone | Wyzard: K, thanks... I'll try this way |
| 00:37.42 | digerati | Hi wondering if debian supports dvd dual layer? anyone? |
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| 00:38.26 | Wyzard | digerati: Isn't that a hardware feature of the DVD drive? |
| 00:38.29 | Simone | digerati: I believe that is more of a hardware thing? |
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| 00:38.46 | cougar` | Who here is good with ipTables? |
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| 00:39.00 | Wyzard | cougar`: apt-cache show firehol :-) |
| 00:39.07 | cougar` | What? |
| 00:39.12 | digerati | ok so the dvd+rw-tools should do the trick.. I hope :) thx |
| 00:39.15 | cougar` | firehol? |
| 00:39.32 | digerati | sounds like a red head to me |
| 00:39.34 | Wyzard | cougar`: It's a firewall package... generates iptables rules from a configuration file that describes a policy |
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| 00:39.51 | Wyzard | cougar`: Unless you're doing something very advanced or weird, you probably do not need to write iptables rules byhand |
| 00:40.14 | EricBlade | hmm. |
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| 00:40.27 | cougar` | DOes it generate the rules, then out put them somewhere so you can create ure own scripts? |
| 00:40.32 | EricBlade | great, i'm banned from #php. wonder why |
| 00:40.49 | Wyzard | cougar`: No, it reads the config file and loads rules into the kernel |
| 00:41.03 | cougar` | Hmmmm |
| 00:41.03 | jayeola | hrm, sudo never seems to ask for a password.... wonder why? |
| 00:41.04 | Wyzard | cougar`: The config file is a lot more succinct than the corresponding ruleset -- much easier to read and maintain |
| 00:41.11 | cougar` | Do you have that configuration file? |
| 00:41.23 | Wyzard | cougar`: I'll post a sample of mine in a moment, hang on |
| 00:41.24 | cougar` | I would like to look at the configuration file |
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| 00:41.52 | jayeola | i don't like the idea of sudo su not asking for a p-word |
| 00:42.16 | cougar` | I understand ipTables, well, I sort of it understand. I understand it enough to do it by hand, which I have been doing. But sometimes I forget what I need, for example. I shutdown access on port 22, to test something, and I shut it down to local computers as well, so that sucked |
| 00:42.21 | Wyzard | cougar`: http://pastebin.ca/18094 -- I'll bet you can understand most of that without having even seen any documentation on it |
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| 00:42.51 | mrwoody | did anyone experience any crash running wmaker, after installing X.org? |
| 00:43.01 | cougar` | That's poretty cool Wyzard |
| 00:43.45 | cougar` | I need a rule which allows all access on the eth0 (local) |
| 00:44.33 | Wyzard | cougar`: Unless you have other network interfaces besides eth0, you don't need any rules at all for that -- it's a non-firewall |
| 00:44.45 | cougar` | I have multiple nic |
| 00:44.54 | Wyzard | cougar`: Are you setting up a NAT router? |
| 00:44.55 | cougar` | eth0 (local) and eth1 (global) |
| 00:45.03 | bnoji | cougar` : is this for a firewall? |
| 00:45.10 | Simone | Wyzard: With the java-package, I don't take it that "No matching plugin was found." is a successful operation, eh? |
| 00:45.21 | bnoji | If you have a spare old box around, install ipcop on it. |
| 00:45.29 | eowo | Eluex, sorry to be a pest, but i'm using a pcmcia wireless card, and it tries to connect to wlan0 before teh pcmcia service has started, is there any way to execute a script after the pcmcia service has started? |
| 00:45.37 | Guerin | Simone: no. point it to a supported java file |
| 00:45.40 | bnoji | It handles the config for you, lets you set up VPNs easily... |
| 00:45.41 | Wyzard | Simone: Oh, you're running sid... java-package is currently broken, I think, but there's a fix in the BTS |
| 00:45.44 | mrwoody | did anyone experience any crash running wmaker, after installing X.org? |
| 00:45.47 | cougar` | I'm all set up, did all that. My box functions as a NTP, DHCP, Router, and DNS server as well as Firewall |
| 00:45.59 | gravity | mrwoody: Is it a windowmaker crash, or an X.Org crash? |
| 00:46.01 | Eulex | eowo, sorry, gonna go to bed right now |
| 00:46.02 | Wyzard | Simone: It's like a 2-line patch to some script... check the BTS |
| 00:46.05 | Eulex | goodnight |
| 00:46.06 | eowo | ok |
| 00:46.10 | eowo | night |
| 00:46.20 | Simone | Wyzard: Oh, that makes sense |
| 00:46.52 | Wyzard | cougar`: There's a package called "ipmasq" which sets up rules for basic NAT |
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| 00:47.03 | cougar` | Wyzard: policy reject < that means that your firewall is set up to drop everything and than you're adding rules to accept services on your comp |
| 00:47.03 | Wyzard | cougar`: I'm not sure how configurable it is, but it might be enough for your network |
| 00:47.09 | Wyzard | cougar`: correct |
| 00:47.23 | mrwoody | gravity: X.Org wouldn't crash with any other window manager, so I would suppose that it is a wmaker crash. Anyway it happens after it loads something. How to debug it? |
| 00:47.29 | cougar` | protection full is somethin' I'd be interested in |
| 00:47.32 | cougar` | You're using ipTables right? |
| 00:47.48 | cougar` | Want to do something for me? We can save you're current configuration ipTables is using and I can look at it |
| 00:48.01 | Guerin | reject != drop |
| 00:48.19 | cougar` | Drop ignores, Reject gives error |
| 00:48.22 | Wyzard | cougar`: All Linux firewalls use iptables -- it's the underlying kernel facility, and the firewall package just generates rules |
| 00:48.27 | Guerin | i'd think that's rather an important distinction |
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| 00:48.32 | gravity | mrwoody: Don't do that |
| 00:48.44 | mrwoody | gravity: do what? |
| 00:48.49 | gravity | mrwoody: CTCP me |
| 00:48.49 | Wyzard | cougar`: The idea is that you're not supposed to have to worry about the individual iptables rules |
| 00:48.59 | mrwoody | gravity: ok. So any idea? |
| 00:49.10 | gravity | no |
| 00:49.10 | cougar` | Wyzard : What can I say, I lvoe to learn |
| 00:49.17 | mrwoody | gravity: ok, then why did you ask |
| 00:49.19 | Wyzard | cougar`: And a robust firewall has quite a lot of rules... on my sytem, using that FireHOL config, "iptables -L | wc -l" says there are 389 lines |
| 00:49.33 | cougar` | wow |
| 00:49.47 | gravity | mrwoody: Because I hadn't heard about that before |
| 00:49.59 | mrwoody | gravity: ok. So I am the only one |
| 00:50.03 | Wyzard | cougar`: Most of them are for correct handling of uncommon (and sometimes security-related) cases that you'd probably miss with a few naive hand-written rules |
| 00:50.07 | gravity | Well I don't use wmaker |
| 00:50.13 | cougar` | Wyzard do this : iptables-save > file.txt |
| 00:50.26 | mrwoody | gravity: ok |
| 00:50.26 | cougar` | Wyzard exactly |
| 00:50.43 | mrwoody | does anyone here use WMaker + XOrg? |
| 00:50.58 | Wyzard | cougar`: Are you saying that you'd rather manually edit a list of over 300 iptables rules, than maintain a simple policy file which does exactly the same thing? |
| 00:51.00 | cougar` | But Wyzard : I've created my own ipTable script, which features start() stop() restart() command |
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| 00:51.21 | Wyzard | cougar`: http://pastebin.ca/18096 -- my FireHOL config on my router |
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| 00:52.01 | Guerin | mrwoody: there shouldn't be any stability problems between your x server and your window manager - if one crashes but not the other, i'd say that's the problem. |
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| 00:52.06 | Wyzard | cougar`: Unless you're a TCP/IP expert, your custom script is almost certainly not as good as a well-established firewall package such as FireHOL or Shorewall |
| 00:52.08 | kittiy | hi |
| 00:52.19 | cougar` | Yeah |
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| 00:52.22 | cougar` | I'd have to agree |
| 00:52.27 | mrwoody | Guerin: ok.. but what log shall I look at ? |
| 00:52.28 | kisielk | does anyone know what happened to libapache2-mod-fastcgi ? |
| 00:52.36 | cougar` | Wyzard : Help me thru the steps in setting up what you're using |
| 00:52.44 | saboteur | i am pulling hair over this :( can anyone help me with a debian-installer build? |
| 00:52.48 | cougar` | Wyzard : If you don't mind |
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| 00:52.51 | Guerin | mrwoody: what exactly happens? |
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| 00:53.07 | Guerin | what does 'crash' mean in this context |
| 00:53.10 | mrwoody | Guerin: it loads the docks and then it restarts gdm |
| 00:53.15 | kisielk | ah, it's in contrib.. |
| 00:53.17 | mrwoody | Guerin: well it just crashes |
| 00:53.27 | mrwoody | Guerin: it would run gdm again |
| 00:53.31 | Wyzard | cougar`: Install the firehol package, edit /etc/firehol/firehol.conf so it's configured the way you want, edit /etc/default/firehol to set START_FIREHOL=YES, and then /etc/init.d/firehol start |
| 00:53.37 | Guerin | ok, that sounds like an x server issue, not a windowmaker issue |
| 00:53.55 | mrwoody | Guerin: ok, but then why does that happen only on windowmaker? |
| 00:53.56 | Thanatermesis | peterS, start-stop-daemon security is a very problem for the liveCDs |
| 00:54.04 | cougar` | apt-get install firehol |
| 00:54.11 | Guerin | read .xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:54.11 | cougar` | WTF is a firehol :P |
| 00:54.25 | mrwoody | I also have another problem. My Ctrl+Alt+Fn keys don't produce anything |
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| 00:54.35 | mrwoody | nothing interesting in those, Guerin |
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| 00:54.41 | Wyzard | cougar`: I guess it's meant to rhyme with "firewall" and "alcohol" |
| 00:54.41 | dk0r | mrwoody: you on ppc? |
| 00:54.57 | Guerin | mrwoody: good question. It could be that the client (wmaker) is doing something it oughtn't and causing the server to crash, but as I said, there should be minimal interaction there. |
| 00:55.01 | mrwoody | dk0r: nope, pc :-) |
| 00:55.32 | Guerin | what i mean by that is: the X protocool, and what you can and can't get away with, is pretty well defined and people tend to not fuck it up |
| 00:55.44 | Guerin | mrwoody: file bugs, enjoy your stay in Hotel Sid |
| 00:55.45 | SDFH_Linux | gedit: Depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:55.45 | SDFH_Linux | E: Broken packages |
| 00:55.56 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: stop using sid |
| 00:56.04 | SDFH_Linux | doh |
| 00:56.07 | Guerin | AGAIN |
| 00:56.17 | mrwoody | Guerin: no, I prefer to solve it |
| 00:56.26 | cougar` | Ok installed |
| 00:56.27 | cougar` | editing conf |
| 00:56.28 | Guerin | mrwoody: go on, then. |
| 00:56.30 | SDFH_Linux | i know i like the punishment it seems |
| 00:56.45 | mrwoody | Guerin: I don't like the other windowmanager.. If I have to, I will downgrade to XFree |
| 00:57.10 | Wyzard | cougar`: If you use my configuration as a starting point, note that I've renamed my network interfaces to "eth_lan" and "eth_inet"... yours are eth0 and eth1 |
| 00:57.13 | Guerin | oh, because THAT's solving the problem |
| 00:57.28 | cougar` | rgr |
| 00:57.32 | mrwoody | Guerin: well better than filing a bug... that is only a waiste of time |
| 00:57.42 | Guerin | mrwoody: no, it's NOT better than filing a bug |
| 00:57.48 | Wyzard | cougar`: Also, that FIREHOL_LOG_MODE="ULOG" needs ulogd installed... it prevents the system console from being cluttered up with kernel messages when packets are blocked |
| 00:57.49 | mrwoody | Also does anyone know why xcompmgr -c makes my pc very slow |
| 00:57.50 | shingouz | filing a bug is not a waste of time |
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| 00:58.03 | mrwoody | Guerin: believe me, anytime I filed a bug, noone really cared about that |
| 00:58.06 | Wyzard | Filing a bug is not a waste of time if it leads to the bug being fixed |
| 00:58.07 | Guerin | if you file a bug, a) others will be warned about it before installation and b) the maintainers of said packages will fix it |
| 00:58.09 | cougar` | I don't have ulogd |
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| 00:58.20 | Wyzard | cougar`: Then install it, if you want it, or remove that line from the configuration |
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| 00:58.25 | mrwoody | Guerin: yes sure, if the worlds was made of flowers and other beautiful stuff |
| 00:58.28 | cougar` | Wyzard : How do I know what to put into the conf file? |
| 00:58.29 | Guerin | mrwoody: well, when I've filed bugs they tend to have been fixed fine |
| 00:58.43 | cougar` | Is it smart to log? |
| 00:58.50 | Wyzard | cougar`: Read the documentation and/or use my config as a starting point |
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| 00:59.09 | mfrisch | is device mapper borked in unstable? |
| 00:59.11 | Guerin | mrwoody: just file the damn bug. Waste 3 minutes of your time, or 5 if you include some strace output. Just humour the debian QA process. |
| 00:59.13 | Wyzard | cougar`: Rejected packets are always logged... the question is whether they go to syslog or to ulogd |
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| 00:59.43 | Wyzard | cougar`: If they go to syslog, they also appear on the screen, which can be irritating if you're trying to type on the console and log messages keep appearing on it |
| 00:59.46 | cougar` | ulogd : is tha a different logging scheme? |
| 00:59.54 | mrwoody | Guerin: already filed, I suppose : http://bugzilla.conectiva.com.br/show_bug.cgi?id=13533 (altough it is not in english) |
| 01:00.05 | Guerin | mrwoody: that's not a debian bug |
| 01:00.16 | Guerin | obviously |
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| 01:00.24 | Wyzard | cougar`: Yes, it makes the kernel pass the info directly to the ulog daemon, rather than to the normal kernel logging facility (which gets caught by klogd and passed to syslog, but also goes to the screen) |
| 01:00.28 | mrwoody | Guerin: well wathever, but the problem seems to exists since february |
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| 01:00.54 | Wyzard | cougar`: ulog is an iptables target... you can read about it in the iptables manpage |
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| 01:01.12 | mrwoody | Guerin: anyway, do you use X.org? |
| 01:01.24 | Guerin | mrwoody: yup |
| 01:01.47 | mrwoody | Guerin: why don't you try to run wmaker? ;-) |
| 01:01.48 | cougar` | Wyzard : Okay install ulogd |
| 01:01.55 | Guerin | can't be arsed |
| 01:02.14 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a wm war |
| 01:02.15 | dpkg | fluxbox sucks! |
| 01:02.54 | mrwoody | Guerin: why? |
| 01:04.03 | abrotman | mrwoody: he's taken a liking to the korean way of life |
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| 01:04.25 | Guerin | abrotman: hrm, i'm curious as to what that's meant to mean |
| 01:04.35 | FieldySnuts | just trolling |
| 01:04.39 | mrwoody | abrotman: how about you? |
| 01:04.48 | laabxol | Hello again streuner |
| 01:04.55 | FieldySnuts | people who try to push use of certain software on others are irritating |
| 01:05.04 | laabxol | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX] (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 01:05.09 | Guerin | oh, i know, abrotman's only got two modes: 'troll' and 'not funny' :) |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | mrwoody: can't be arsed |
| 01:05.13 | bnoji | I hate NeoMagic |
| 01:05.17 | bnoji | They make crap hardware |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | Guerin: and right! |
| 01:05.24 | Guerin | abrotman: see 'troll' |
| 01:05.26 | mrwoody | abrotman: so why don't you try? ;-) |
| 01:05.29 | bnoji | and not well supported... |
| 01:05.30 | abrotman | bnoji: duh |
| 01:05.31 | Guerin | mrwoody: why? |
| 01:05.31 | SDFH_Linux | Guerin what gui you use? |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | mrwoody: can't be arsed |
| 01:05.34 | laabxol | that is the output of the lspci |
| 01:05.35 | Simone | Wyzard: Hmm, I manually downloaded java-package_0.25_all.deb and I still get the same error that it was suppose to fix o-O |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | Guerin: you always tell me how lazy the people you work with are :) |
| 01:05.53 | Guerin | mrwoody: you've already verified that the proble mexists. Go file a debian bug about it and try to fix it. |
| 01:05.55 | Simone | Wyzard: The version says make-jpkg 0.25, so I know it upgraded correctly |
| 01:06.01 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, that is true. |
| 01:06.02 | bnoji | abrotman: Running X on a Compaq Presario 1610 (NeoMagic MagicGraph 128) will slowly kill the LCD |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | Guerin: see .. i'm right :) |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | bnoji: i said duh .. what else do yhou want ? |
| 01:06.29 | bnoji | heh |
| 01:06.35 | bnoji | I learned that one the hard way. |
| 01:06.38 | Wyzard | Simone: I just manually applied the patch from the BTS entry and it worked |
| 01:06.47 | Guerin | bnoji: i've been runnning it on a tecta 8000 12" lcd with a neomagic256 for years without problems |
| 01:06.47 | bnoji | That laptop is bulletproof in every other way |
| 01:06.47 | Simone | oh yeah? Hrmmph |
| 01:06.50 | Wyzard | Simone: You're running make-jpkg on Sun's .bin file, right? Not their RPM? |
| 01:06.55 | FieldySnuts | in soviet russia, running on a compaq kills YOU |
| 01:06.59 | bnoji | Guerin: Lucky you. |
| 01:07.08 | mrwoody | Guerin: I first want to understand the problem . Now I try to upgrade wmaker |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | mrwoody: i'm not running sid .. i'm smarter than that |
| 01:07.19 | Simone | Wyzard: Yeah, the bin |
| 01:07.20 | cougar` | Wyzard : What is oversoul? |
| 01:07.21 | bnoji | Guerin: There are known problems with the hardware. |
| 01:07.28 | Guerin | bnoji: just with the 128? |
| 01:07.35 | mrwoody | abrotman: what are you running? |
| 01:07.37 | cougar` | Wyzard: hitting oversoul itself |
| 01:07.40 | bnoji | Not sure...thats the only one ive seen it happen on |
| 01:07.45 | bnoji | twice.. |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | mrwoody: Windows 3.11 .. linux was too easy |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | WFWG of course |
| 01:07.57 | Guerin | that's pretty horribly broken, if it'll damage a lcd |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | mrwoody: DONT DO THAT |
| 01:08.07 | mrwoody | abrotman: why not? shy? |
| 01:08.07 | Wyzard | cougar`: "oversoul" is my router's name -- it's a character (sort of) from the book "The Memory of Earth" by Orson Scott Card |
| 01:08.10 | surrounder | lol @ abrotman |
| 01:08.15 | cougar` | Ahhhh cool |
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| 01:08.15 | bnoji | Guerin: Yes. hence, NeoMagic makes crappy hardware |
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| 01:08.22 | abrotman | mrwoody: no .. it's not good netiquette |
| 01:08.27 | cougar` | Wyzard : Where is the documentation, is it available online |
| 01:08.29 | abrotman | mrwoody: you know .. fucking rude |
| 01:08.33 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: probably a case of of user error |
| 01:08.43 | mrwoody | abrotman: why not? |
| 01:08.48 | Wyzard | cougar`: It's the first result in a Google search for "firehol" ... |
| 01:08.52 | cougar` | OKAY! |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | mrwoody: if you want to know .. fucking ask me .. don't be a fucking prick bastard |
| 01:09.05 | mrwoody | abrotman: ok |
| 01:09.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: i've been making a porn site about a redhead .. i hope to change that :) |
| 01:09.16 | gravity | abrotman: He did that to me too |
| 01:09.18 | mrwoody | Guerin: does your CTRL+ALT+FN work? |
| 01:09.23 | gravity | abrotman: Which is why I have no desire to help him any more |
| 01:09.25 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | i'd fucking kick him if i could |
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| 01:09.37 | mrwoody | gravity: abrotman: are you ok? |
| 01:09.46 | abrotman | i'm fine .. you're a dick |
| 01:10.03 | laabxol | will anybody help? pleaese! |
| 01:10.05 | mrwoody | I am wasting my time |
| 01:10.14 | Guerin | it's curious to me how he wants others to solve his problem ... but he doesn't want to file a bug |
| 01:10.19 | mrwoody | laabxol: sorry only trolls here |
| 01:10.23 | Guerin | mrwoody: no, you're wasting other peoples' fucking time |
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| 01:10.43 | abrotman | laabxol: what's wrong with that card ? |
| 01:10.45 | Simone | Wyzard: I bet it doesn't like the fact that it is the rpm.bin, eh? |
| 01:10.56 | mrwoody | Guerin: 1st of all cool down, if you want me to talk with you. 2nd, I am trying to solve the problem, if I can solve it ,I will file it |
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| 01:11.11 | Guerin | i DON'T want you to talk with me |
| 01:11.16 | laabxol | the problem is that I can't get the xserver running. |
| 01:11.17 | mrwoody | Guerin: you don't want to help? fine... shut up |
| 01:11.21 | cougar` | Wyzard : What does client all accept ? What is client? |
| 01:11.24 | FieldySnuts | !troll mrwoody |
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| 01:11.28 | Guerin | I've told you what you need to do, now all you have to do is fucking go and do it |
| 01:11.29 | cougar` | As in, WEB sites? |
| 01:11.32 | rosemary | is the 2.4.x, or 2.6.x kernel better for P III? |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | laabxol: did you find the error in the log ? |
| 01:11.37 | gravity | laabxol: Did you check the log in /var/log for an error? |
| 01:11.43 | Guerin | rosemary: depends. |
| 01:11.43 | cougar` | Nerermind |
| 01:11.43 | Wyzard | cougar`: "client" refers to outgong connections, and "server" refers to incoming connections, essentially |
| 01:11.50 | cougar` | Yeah, jsut got that |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | !fieldysnuts++ |
| 01:11.58 | cougar` | My mind is becomin jelly right now |
| 01:11.58 | mrwoody | Guerin: ok... then why not we do a bot that for each question he replies: "file a bug, and come back later" |
| 01:12.03 | cougar` | Thanks for this info man |
| 01:12.04 | Wyzard | cougar`: "client http reject" would prevent people from accessing the Web, for example |
| 01:12.07 | mrwoody | Guerin: your advice is not very useful, sorry to say that |
| 01:12.12 | cougar` | Wyzard : names Rick man, nice to meet ya and thanks for helpin' me bro |
| 01:12.18 | Wyzard | cougar`: You're welcome |
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| 01:12.28 | abrotman | mrwoody: try not to be a dick |
| 01:12.39 | Guerin | mrwoody: because that's not always the answer... but since there are no other people with an understanding of these specific issues here, i don't see you have other options. |
| 01:12.48 | laabxol | No I didn't, but I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but nothing zorked |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | laabxol: look in the logs |
| 01:13.05 | abrotman | you can't just randomly configure stuff |
| 01:13.08 | mrwoody | Guerin: if you don't know how to answer, then that doesn't mean that in 5 minutes someone can do that |
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| 01:13.18 | mrwoody | abrotman: thanks for the advice |
| 01:13.20 | laabxol | ok |
| 01:13.35 | binaryc | my debian menu is all botched up with double (some tripple) entries, can someone point me in the right direction on repairing this and understanding how the debian menu works, is it completely seperate from gnome ? etc |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | !menu |
| 01:13.45 | dpkg | methinks menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 01:13.46 | jazzanova | where do i get the esd deamon ? |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | !esound |
| 01:13.53 | dpkg | it has been said that esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 01:14.01 | jazzanova | :) |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | hehe ... segfault daeomon :) |
| 01:14.14 | Guerin | mrwoody: that gives you 5 minutes to try and figure out what's wrong and fix it. Go to it. Your first step can be filing a goddamn motherfucking bugreport. |
| 01:14.18 | binaryc | msg dpkg !menu-methods |
| 01:14.21 | jazzanova | ok, what daemon should i use ? |
| 01:14.28 | jazzanova | i am trying to get skype to work |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | binaryc: /msg |
| 01:14.28 | FieldySnuts | please don't fucking swear |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | shit ... |
| 01:14.44 | Guerin | though if your bugreports are anything like the quality of your manner on irc, i'd expect that's likely to be a dead end too |
| 01:14.45 | FieldySnuts | jazzanova: none, sound daemons are irritating because they stop apps that don't have support for them from using the sound card |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts swore .. fuck .. what now |
| 01:14.53 | zero-1 | how can I set kdm to be my default desktop manager? |
| 01:14.54 | binaryc | thanks abrotman, i am way to hopped up on coffee to realize if forgot my slash : ) |
| 01:14.59 | Wyzard | jazzanova: Ideally, use ALSA's dmix or get a soundcard that supports hardware mixing, so you don't need a sound daemon |
| 01:15.02 | mrwoody | Guerin: ok... I told you that I wouldn't have replied to you if you were unpolite |
| 01:15.03 | cougar` | Hey Wyzard : What ticked me off about manually doin' the iPTables rules was terminolgy... you're right, this is muich easier. |
| 01:15.10 | abrotman | zero-1: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 01:15.16 | Guerin | please don't, then |
| 01:15.22 | cougar` | Wyzard : What's this: As in, what does this mean - # Router for port-forwarded traffic coming from the Internet |
| 01:15.25 | jazzanova | wyzard: what is dmix ? where can i learn about it ? |
| 01:15.42 | FieldySnuts | @fuck sound daemons |
| 01:15.45 | Wyzard | jazzanova: I dunno offhand, but Google would probably help... and I think it's enabled by default in recent kernels |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | why don't we have a "channel shun" .. |
| 01:15.49 | mrwoody | I am going to try new version of wmaker (not in debian) and let's see |
| 01:15.54 | jazzanova | wyzard: my sound card is full duplex |
| 01:16.00 | abrotman | oh yeah .. good plan |
| 01:16.06 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: we wouldn't need one if ops were actually awake |
| 01:16.08 | abrotman | fuck up your system with foreign software |
| 01:16.09 | jazzanova | i am doing nothing fancy on the system except running skype |
| 01:16.16 | Guerin | mrwoody: yay... you're dissqualifying yourself from asking for help in #debian now. |
| 01:16.16 | mrwoody | abrotman: :-) foreign? |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no response lately ? |
| 01:16.25 | jazzanova | and it is having trouble |
| 01:16.26 | Guerin | s/ss/s/ |
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| 01:16.32 | rosemary | laabxol: I have smae problem |
| 01:16.36 | rosemary | I have a s3 Trio 64 3D card and get "X10 fatal error", there are "no devices detected" in /var/log/Xfree.0.log. Someone suggested using the vesa option, I'm just checking this is a valid suggestion |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | mrwoody: you know .. not fucking packaged by a person smarter than yourself ... |
| 01:16.38 | Wyzard | cougar`: There's one "router" block for outbound connections (such as a Web browser on my network connecting to a remote server), and another one for incoming connections from outside |
| 01:16.48 | cougar` | Wyzard : Those 2 router statements, that the same as doin' this right |
| 01:16.50 | cougar` | echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:16.52 | cougar` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.56 | cougar` | crap |
| 01:16.56 | Wyzard | cougar`: no |
| 01:16.58 | Guerin | rosemary: vesa is the driver which works (poorly) with all cards |
| 01:17.03 | cougar` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.09 | Guerin | or should, in theory |
| 01:17.09 | abrotman | #iptables does exist |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | zero-1: don't msg people without permission |
| 01:17.20 | Wyzard | cougar`: The "masquerade" line is essentially equivalent to that |
| 01:17.25 | cougar` | okay, cool |
| 01:17.32 | Wyzard | cougar`: "protection full" implies a bit more |
| 01:17.35 | beardy | zero-1: dpkg-reconfigure kdm ? |
| 01:17.36 | cougar` | I was just wondering why there were 2 router statements |
| 01:17.39 | cougar` | Yeah |
| 01:18.13 | Wyzard | cougar`: The reason I have "server all accept" for the incoming-traffic router is because the only packets which match it are ones that got port-forwarded by the rules near the top |
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| 01:18.19 | abrotman | zero-1: it should ask you to pick the default display manager |
| 01:18.30 | cougar` | Wyzard : Yeah that was throwin' me off too |
| 01:18.35 | Wyzard | cougar`: I only add port-forward rules for stuff I want forwarded, so there's no need for a second line of blocking in the router statement |
| 01:18.48 | cougar` | Wyzard : Understood |
| 01:18.59 | Wyzard | cougar`: Non-port-forwarded traffic matches the second interface block, not the second router block, since it's addressed to oversoul itself |
| 01:19.07 | zero-1 | thank you guys and sorry to bother |
| 01:19.11 | bnoji | I'm hungry. |
| 01:19.14 | cougar` | Wyzard : rgr |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | zero-1: did it work ? |
| 01:19.29 | cougar` | Wyzard: I let your port forwarding in there but commented out so it would act a template |
| 01:19.51 | cougar` | Wyzard : My iptables rules had IRC DCC conenction enabled, so I could DCC to pple |
| 01:19.58 | cougar` | How would I go about adding that? |
| 01:20.02 | FieldySnuts | !warez |
| 01:20.02 | dpkg | it has been said that warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 01:20.02 | cougar` | join #flood |
| 01:20.03 | Wyzard | cougar`: Makes sense... and I actually have a bunch more forwarding rules that I deleted from that sample, but they all follow the same pattern |
| 01:20.05 | abrotman | fuck |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | really .. they use that crap |
| 01:20.20 | zero-1 | abrotma: it did thank you |
| 01:20.33 | zero-1 | and i didnt mean to bother sorry for msging you |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | zero-1: yay |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | zero-1: no .. it's just a channel guideline :) |
| 01:20.47 | zero-1 | ok |
| 01:20.49 | zero-1 | didnt know |
| 01:20.51 | cougar` | Wyzard : Join #flood |
| 01:20.53 | Wyzard | cougar`: The IRC DCC support is actually handled by a special connection-tracking helper module in the kernel (same way FTP is handled), and I'm pretty sure firehol loads it automatically |
| 01:20.56 | zero-1 | oh and sorry for my english |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | zero-1: didn't mean to sound rude ... enjoy! |
| 01:20.56 | Wyzard | cougar`: already there |
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| 01:21.02 | zero-1 | i know its not good enough |
| 01:21.14 | zero-1 | but im mexican :P and i dont get to practice so often |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | not good enough ? |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:21.25 | zero-1 | :P |
| 01:21.26 | zero-1 | ha |
| 01:21.29 | FieldySnuts | !hire zero-1 |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | zero-1: ok .. enjoy ... |
| 01:21.41 | roler | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.43 | abrotman | rather unfortunate ... |
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| 01:21.48 | Wyzard | cougar`: See the IRC entry in the services list on firehol's website |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | i mean .. who'd want to work for the blackhawks |
| 01:21.51 | Simone | Well damnit! It looks like make-jpkg doesn't like the -rpm.bin version of the JRE :'-( If only I had cable... |
| 01:21.51 | bnoji | I need to hire a new CS rep. |
| 01:21.51 | zero-1 | thanks pal |
| 01:21.54 | zero-1 | bye |
| 01:21.57 | maher | roler: feel free to use apache1 |
| 01:22.02 | bnoji | We just put an add in the paper today. |
| 01:22.03 | cougar` | yeah |
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| 01:22.15 | cougar` | Wyzard : So It will load that module if it sees that as a service |
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| 01:22.32 | Wyzard | cougar`: A line like "client irc accept" makes firehol do whatever's necessary to support IRC, including loading that kernel module, and "client all accept" includes "irc" as part of the "all" |
| 01:23.01 | cougar` | ahhhhh |
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| 01:23.03 | cougar` | So I don't need to add it |
| 01:23.07 | roler | maher; i just didn't know what the true benefits of 2.0 are |
| 01:23.10 | Wyzard | cougar`: right |
| 01:23.19 | cougar` | Wyzard : That'll work if I try to send files too? |
| 01:23.30 | mrwoody | problem solved... missing font package... |
| 01:23.30 | Wyzard | cougar`: It should, yes |
| 01:23.31 | maher | roler: if apache 1 works why not use it |
| 01:24.00 | rosemary | Guerin: the other suggestion was configuring and diabling frmaebuffer but i didn't get the choice |
| 01:24.05 | cougar` | Wyzard : Cool, hey now that I edited the configuration file, what was that second step? I know the 3rd |
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| 01:24.12 | eka | hi all |
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| 01:24.26 | eka | where does apt stores the package database files |
| 01:24.34 | Wyzard | cougar`: Edit /etc/default/firehol -- by default START_FIREHOL is set to NO so the initscript doesn't try to start a firewall that isn't configured yet |
| 01:24.46 | maher | eka: dpkg uses /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 01:25.00 | Wyzard | cougar`: btw, firehol.conf is really just a bash script, so if more complex needs arise, you can define variables and write shell functions and such |
| 01:25.14 | cougar` | Cool |
| 01:25.47 | rosemary | I tried dpkf-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and get told it's not installed |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | tictac: maybe not usb2 |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | tictac: since you know .. usb2 is like 400mb/sec |
| 01:26.16 | cougar` | Should I have it wait for interfaces to be up? |
| 01:26.24 | FieldySnuts | usb2 hi-speed is. "usb2" is not |
| 01:26.28 | liable | rosemary: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:26.29 | FieldySnuts | which is really annoying |
| 01:26.31 | cougar` | Wyzard : Ill paste to you my ipTables scirpt Iw as using |
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| 01:26.35 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i think that's backwards |
| 01:26.39 | rutski89 | hi |
| 01:26.46 | rutski89 | can i get a link to the java-package how to? |
| 01:26.48 | smo_ | dpkg rosemary |
| 01:26.54 | smo_ | not dpkf |
| 01:26.58 | maher | !java |
| 01:26.58 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 01:27.06 | maher | oops |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | stack overflow |
| 01:27.18 | FieldySnuts | HEH write once run away, that's great |
| 01:27.26 | rosemary | liable and smo I have tried both |
| 01:27.31 | cougar` | Wyzard : http://pastebin.ca/18099 |
| 01:27.32 | Wyzard | cougar`: doesn't matter -- iptables rules store the name of the interface as a string ("eth0", etc.) so it's OK to create them before the interface actually exists, and they'll work just fine once the interface does exist |
| 01:27.46 | cougar` | Wyzard : Okay, jsut had to confirm ya know |
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| 01:28.00 | rosemary | unfortunately I have to go to work now - will come back tomorrow |
| 01:28.03 | maher | rutski89: how about man make-jpkg and /usr/share/doc/java-package |
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| 01:28.12 | Wyzard | cougar`: Looks like you put a good bit of work into that script... but unfortunately you were probably just reinventing the "ipmasq" package |
| 01:28.27 | rutski89 | maher: hehe, thanks :) |
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| 01:28.32 | rosemary | liable or smo would the 2.4 or the 2.6 kernel be best on a P III ? |
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| 01:28.57 | maher | rosemary: either should be fine - what happens when you do apt-get install x-window-system? |
| 01:29.00 | cougar` | kay |
| 01:29.06 | cougar` | Wyzard : It's up! Firehol running |
| 01:29.14 | Wyzard | rosemary: kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:29.18 | d03boy | does debian come with a command line midi player? |
| 01:29.33 | liable | rosemary: doesnt really matter, as long as your hardware is supported, but 2.6 has a few extras like alsa. |
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| 01:29.36 | Wyzard | d03boy: timidity? |
| 01:29.46 | d03boy | i'll try that |
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| 01:29.58 | cougar` | rosemary : I just installed the Linux 2.6.8-2-686 Kernel |
| 01:30.25 | smo_ | hard to make sounds on debian d03boy |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | my sound works! |
| 01:30.51 | cougar` | Wyzard : How did you get the count of how many lines your ipTables configuration was? |
| 01:31.02 | smo_ | yes but create sounds |
| 01:31.09 | einsteinmg | how could i execute a script from screenrc at reataching of a screen? |
| 01:31.12 | smo_ | try ardour with jack |
| 01:31.14 | Wyzard | cougar`: You should install kernel-image-2.6-686 -- that pulls in kernel-image-2.6.8-686 as a dependency, but if the default kernel changes in the future (say, 2.6.15 in etch, or something), it will pull that in instead |
| 01:31.17 | rosemary | okay - thanks - I think I might start again and go for the 2.6.x which is the CDs I have, and use the F keys at the beginning and try the kernel framebuffer option off |
| 01:31.21 | Wyzard | cougar`: iptables -L | wc -l |
| 01:31.39 | cougar` | Mine's 495 |
| 01:31.43 | cougar` | HOLY shikes |
| 01:31.46 | Gnea | Wyzard: that's not very accurate |
| 01:31.46 | Wyzard | cougar`: It actually just counts lines of text, and not all the lines in that output are rules, but it's good enough as an approximation |
| 01:31.52 | rosemary | I am following an install documwent which I've seen is a few years old |
| 01:31.53 | cougar` | Wyzard : I did install that I think |
| 01:31.56 | maher | rosemary: if you can boot to a functioning shell you can probably get things to work... |
| 01:31.57 | eka | maher: is not /var/cache/apt/archives/?? |
| 01:32.10 | cougar` | Eulex helped me |
| 01:32.11 | maher | eka: apt uses that for what's available |
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| 01:32.19 | Wyzard | cougar`: My count is probably higher because I have a few additional interfaces (VMware stuff) which I omitted from the config I pasted |
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| 01:32.23 | eka | whot do you mean? |
| 01:32.28 | binaryc | ive looked through /usr/share/menu /usr/lib/menu and /usr/share/menu/default and there are no double entries, yet they are in my debian menu, is there any reason why menu is reading these files more than once maybe ? |
| 01:32.35 | cougar` | Wyzard : I installed that kernel image |
| 01:32.42 | maher | eka: sorry - apt uses that for what it downlaods |
| 01:32.44 | Wyzard | cougar`: ok, good |
| 01:32.56 | eka | maher: so both? |
| 01:32.58 | rosemary | maher - this time apt-get install x-window-system is working, but I have to get to work and can't wait for it to finish |
| 01:33.11 | cougar` | Wyzard : I did, sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 01:33.25 | Wyzard | cougar`: Oh, I thought you were saying you installed kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:33.29 | Wyzard | cougar`: You should install that too |
| 01:33.29 | maher | eka: no - available is in //var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 01:33.30 | cougar` | That what Eulex had me install |
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| 01:33.37 | abrotman | gravity: can you play shortstop ? |
| 01:33.42 | beardy | rosemary: continue fixing it when you get home again? :) |
| 01:33.43 | rosemary | maher yes I can do that okay - just haven't been able to get gui up yet |
| 01:33.54 | cougar` | Wyzard : Ok, now ya did it, I'm confused :P |
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| 01:34.14 | eka | maher thx |
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| 01:34.15 | Wyzard | cougar`: Simpler example... GCC versions |
| 01:34.22 | rosemary | I'll try again tomoorrow |
| 01:34.34 | tictac | abrotman: maybe the disk is really erronous? dd_rescue: (info): ipos: 38419.5k, opos: 38419.5k, xferd: 38419.5k |
| 01:34.36 | Wyzard | cougar`: The default compiler in sarge is GCC 3.3... so "gcc" is an empty package which just depends on "gcc-3.3" |
| 01:34.43 | gravity | abrotman: Nope |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman | gravity: damn .. renteria .. SUCKS |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | tictac: perhaps |
| 01:34.58 | Wyzard | cougar`: In sid, GCC 4.0 is now the default, so the "gcc" package dependencies were changed to depend on "gcc-4.0" |
| 01:35.05 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:35.17 | cougar` | Okay |
| 01:35.18 | Wyzard | cougar`: Anyone who has "gcc" installed will always have the current default compiler, be it 3.3 or 4.0, automatically |
| 01:35.34 | abrotman | gravity: do you realize .. he now has 18 errors on the year .. manny only had 7 all last year |
| 01:35.39 | cougar` | So, the kernel-image Eulex had me install won't maintain it self? |
| 01:35.55 | Wyzard | cougar`: kernel-source-2.6-686 is the same sort of thing; the defaut currently is 2.6.8, but in the future (i.e. in etch), some other 2.6 kernel will be the default, and having this installed will bring it in automatically |
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| 01:35.59 | cougar` | And, can I modify the firehol.conf while firehol is running? |
| 01:36.08 | Wyzard | cougar`: Yes, and then run /etc/init.d/firehol restart |
| 01:36.27 | cougar` | well it was odd, I needed to b root to get into the firehol directory |
| 01:36.30 | cougar` | interesting... |
| 01:36.36 | rosemary | beardy - yes but that will be midnight here NZ and not many people around to help me then :-) |
| 01:36.41 | Wyzard | cougar`: The config is only read when starting; once firehol is done starting, it's just iptables rules in the kernel |
| 01:37.01 | cougar` | Wyzard : I want to add some echo output and stuff |
| 01:37.07 | Wyzard | cougar`: It also uses a safety mechanism of some sort so that if the new ruleset fails to load properly, the old one will be safely restored |
| 01:37.22 | cougar` | Okay |
| 01:37.22 | Wyzard | cougar`: Then put your echo commands in firehol.conf... it's just a bash script, remember |
| 01:37.39 | cougar` | Wyzard : So I installed the wrong kernel version? Why did Eulex have me install the one he did? |
| 01:37.47 | cougar` | Yeah I will |
| 01:38.06 | Gnea | Wyzard: iptables-save > your_firewall_rules && grep -- -A your_firewall_rules | wc -l |
| 01:38.39 | Gnea | Wyzard: that's if you use append for each rule |
| 01:38.49 | liable | cougar`: no, its thr right one, but if you install 2.6-686, if a patched one comes out, you will automatically upgrade to it. |
| 01:38.54 | Wyzard | Gnea: I know, but all I needed was an approximation and "iptables -L" is quicker to type |
| 01:38.55 | Ipsooo | which compression is used to compress original initrds in /boot? |
| 01:39.06 | Wyzard | Ipsooo: They're cramfs filesystems |
| 01:39.10 | Gnea | Wyzard: hardly approximate, that's way off |
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| 01:39.15 | Gnea | Wyzard: try it and see. |
| 01:39.16 | beardy | rosemary: oh, no perhaps not.. but it's worth a try. :) |
| 01:39.17 | Ipsooo | not compressed then? |
| 01:39.56 | cougar` | liable, should I uinstall 2.6-686? |
| 01:39.57 | Gnea | Wyzard: for one thing, you're only catching filter, that doesn't catch any nat or mangle rules |
| 01:40.00 | cougar` | err install rather |
| 01:40.05 | Ipsooo | i tried to gunzip one of them, as they usually are gzips :p |
| 01:40.20 | Gnea | Wyzard: that pretty much sums it up :) |
| 01:40.21 | Wyzard | Gnea: ah |
| 01:40.28 | cougar` | Wyzard : I'm lookin' at the ruules now, WOW! |
| 01:41.00 | liable | cougar`: yeah, though you dont have to, you can always manually upgrade anyway, if a patched version comes out. |
| 01:41.31 | cougar` | liable : Seeing how I never installed a kenerl patch, and I'm not sure how to stay up -to-date, I would like it to automatically upgrade |
| 01:41.51 | cougar` | liable : What should I do to install the self-mainting kernel image? |
| 01:42.01 | Wyzard | cougar`: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:42.20 | cougar` | Is that gonna screw up what I curently have? |
| 01:42.29 | liable | no |
| 01:42.32 | cougar` | Also : I use Lilo.conf |
| 01:42.39 | Wyzard | cougar`: "Keeping up-to-date" manually would mean, supposing that Etch gets released with 2.6.15 as its default kernel, doing "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686" or something like that |
| 01:42.50 | cougar` | And I know that Lilo.conf is set to auto choose the last kernel installed |
| 01:42.55 | Wyzard | cougar`: No, it's an empty package which just depends on the real kernel package that you already have |
| 01:43.09 | cougar` | Okay, so I won't need to reboot or anything |
| 01:43.12 | Wyzard | cougar`: so it'll do absolutely nothing for now except take up a kilobyte or two of disk space |
| 01:43.19 | cougar` | That's fine |
| 01:43.23 | cougar` | okay, I'll d/l it |
| 01:43.24 | cougar` | thanks guys |
| 01:43.31 | liable | cougar`: go back over what wizard has said to you, all quite well explained I thought.. |
| 01:43.35 | Wyzard | cougar`: The significance is when, in the future, a new version of that package is issued which depends on a different actual kernel package |
| 01:44.28 | cougar` | So, 2.6-686 watches for any kernel image higher than 2.6 ... and when it sees it, it downloads it. (How) I have the current version, if a newer version comes out, 2.6-686 will auto grab it, right? |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: binary incompatibility |
| 01:44.57 | kingsley_ | Is there an application which tests a list of servers to see if they successfully post usenet messages? |
| 01:44.59 | liable | patch level innit? |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | kind of .. |
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| 01:45.16 | abrotman | but it's a patch that causes binary incompatibility |
| 01:45.20 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 01:45.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 01:45.30 | cougar` | Wyzard : OKay, installed |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: usually security related |
| 01:45.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: Binary incompatibility with kernel modules, I assume |
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| 01:46.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: well .. yeah .. i think you'd have to possibly recompile like say .. nvidia or madwifi |
| 01:46.28 | Wyzard | makes sense |
| 01:46.30 | Wyzard | thanks |
| 01:46.34 | spart8 | Anyone have php5 and phpmyadmin working? I get an undefined function call (preg_match) |
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| 01:46.42 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 01:46.48 | luka_nova | hruske! |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | yay .. still not in debian |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:46.59 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 01:48.11 | abrotman | yay .. still not in debian |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | is info broken on dpkg ? |
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| 01:49.05 | Feyr | is there a way to see the so called "dependency tree" starting at a specific package? |
| 01:49.28 | abrotman | i thought there was a way to do that with dpkg |
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| 01:50.07 | cougar` | Wyzard : DO i need to add #!/bin/sh at the top of the conf file so I can do some of the things that I did in my iptables script, which I linked you to |
| 01:50.22 | Feyr | how about non installed packages? one package wants to break 200 others, and i want to know which of its miriad of dependencies are fucking it up :) |
| 01:50.29 | Wyzard | cougar`: No, because it's sourced by firehol (which is itself a bash script) |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | Feyr: don't run sid |
| 01:50.44 | Wyzard | cougar`: That magic comment is only needed for scripts which are directly executable by themselves |
| 01:50.53 | beardy | apt: info php5 sid |
| 01:50.54 | cougar` | Ahh okay |
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| 01:51.14 | abrotman | Feyr: dotty ? |
| 01:51.16 | Feyr | duh, i've been running sid for the past 3 years. but that's not a reason to let go stupid bugs like that |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | Feyr: wait a few days .. try again |
| 01:51.49 | Wyzard | Feyr: I've been using plain upgrade (rather than dist-upgrade) for over a week because of that stuff |
| 01:52.06 | Wyzard | Feyr: It's because of the GCC transition and xorg transition which are both happening right now |
| 01:52.28 | Feyr | k |
| 01:52.30 | ice_1963 | how do i install nvidia-driver for sarge ????? |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | !nvidia one liner |
| 01:52.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:53.03 | beardy | ice_1963: /msg dpkg nvidia or nvidia one liner |
| 01:53.06 | advogado_18 | hi |
| 01:53.07 | abrotman | heh .. apt-cache dotty gdm |
| 01:53.24 | advogado_18 | _rene_ |
| 01:53.26 | advogado_18 | ?? |
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| 01:53.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: "wc -l" says 1874 lines |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm not surprised |
| 01:53.44 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 01:53.49 | tordaenda | hi is anyone doing ipsec - from freeswan to openswan or ipsec tools>? |
| 01:54.04 | luka_nova | gnome broken? |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | broken ? |
| 01:54.25 | binaryc | broken? |
| 01:54.25 | maher | you mean gnome worked? |
| 01:54.29 | Wyzard | tordaenda: I set up FreeS/WAN once, a few years ago, to establish an encrypted GRE tunnel between two networks, and found it a bit of a pain |
| 01:54.35 | Wyzard | tordaenda: OpenVPN is much nicer |
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| 01:54.46 | ice_1963 | i a'm running sarge right now with my ati |
| 01:54.47 | SDFH_Linux | what version of gnome does stable use? |
| 01:54.52 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: 2.8 |
| 01:54.54 | luka_nova | i dunno, i'm getting errors.. |
| 01:55.05 | binaryc | errors? |
| 01:55.05 | luka_nova | from stable to unstable |
| 01:55.07 | Feyr | only when it work wyzard |
| 01:55.24 | Feyr | i've had no such luck, keeps crashing every couple of days :) |
| 01:55.29 | Wyzard | Feyr: I haven't had any trouble with it, though admittedly I haven't used it heavily |
| 01:55.40 | cougar` | Wyzard : How do I use ulogd? :P |
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| 01:55.55 | Wyzard | Feyr: I've used it to create tap tunnels from my laptop in a hotel, back to my home LAN |
| 01:55.57 | luka_nova | aparently gksu is not instalable, because, it's missing "libgksuui1.0-1" |
| 01:56.12 | abrotman | Feyr: apt-rdepends ? |
| 01:56.17 | Feyr | i've used it as the vpn between our offices, and for roadwarrior clients. |
| 01:56.24 | Feyr | yeah abrotman, im installing it right now |
| 01:56.57 | Wyzard | cougar`: I don't think I had to do any special configuration of it |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | tohugh .. i've no clue what to do with the dotty output |
| 01:57.16 | maher | luka_nova: gcc transition |
| 01:57.25 | Feyr | apt-cache says it's for graphviz, so i guess you need to install that :) |
| 01:57.39 | Wyzard | Feyr: One of these days I'll get around to setting it up in proper server mode, using PKI rather than pre-shared keys |
| 01:57.44 | luka_nova | why gnome is not installable : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318886 |
| 01:57.49 | cougar` | Wyzard : Okay, how do I view the log? |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | Feyr: oh .. maybe .. it's been a while since i messed with it |
| 01:57.58 | luka_nova | maher: i see |
| 01:57.59 | Wyzard | luka_nova: because unstable is unstable, and is currently in the middle of several major transitions |
| 01:58.09 | Feyr | maybe it's working for you because you're in shared key mode. im using pki, and it's not stellar |
| 01:58.19 | luka_nova | Wyzard: mhm, cool. |
| 01:58.36 | Feyr | the daemon stays up, but stops answering requests after a day or two |
| 01:58.38 | luka_nova | Wyzard: i know it's unstable :) i take the consequences. :) |
| 01:58.39 | abrotman | luka_nova: try gnome-desktop or smoehting else |
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| 01:58.53 | Feyr | granted now it's completly broken, and i don't care enough to fix it |
| 01:59.01 | Wyzard | cougar`: /var/log/ulog |
| 01:59.02 | cougar` | Wyzard : syslog is in /var/log/syslog .... ulog is in /var/log/ulog/ulogd |
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| 01:59.14 | luka_nova | abrotman: gksu seems to be quite a popular dependecy :) |
| 01:59.25 | binaryc | where is a good source for up to date debian news, i need something to check other than slashdot every five minuets instead of being productive |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | !depends gksu sid |
| 01:59.37 | cougar` | syslogemu.log <== inside ulog is log from firehol |
| 01:59.46 | abrotman | dpkg: you're broken |
| 01:59.46 | dpkg | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
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| 01:59.50 | tordaenda | Wyzard - i have set up freeswan and am happy with it - just that they are discontinuing development and i am really confused as to were to go now - ipsec in the kernel, openswan, superswan, strongswan etc |
| 01:59.55 | Wyzard | binaryc: Subscribe to (or read the archives of) mailing lists such as debian-devel |
| 02:00.04 | Oldak | Does Debian have any issues with Java? |
| 02:00.12 | Feyr | tordaenda, free/swan discontinued the development, but it was picked up by Open/Swan |
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| 02:00.17 | chealer | !tell binaryc about dwn |
| 02:00.19 | Wyzard | tordaenda: FreeS/WAN was discontinued many months ago, maybe even over a year |
| 02:00.26 | cougar` | Wyzard : check your private messages plz |
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| 02:00.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is dpkg broken .. or had stuff removed ? |
| 02:01.04 | Maliuta | feyr: actually there are 2 projects that continue the free/swan developnet ... open/swan and strong/swan |
| 02:01.06 | tordaenda | Feyr and Wyzard - would you go to openswan or ipsec-tools |
| 02:01.29 | Withdraw | when i use this patch http://pastebin.com/316701 what do i mkae my patch offset (-p) value? |
| 02:01.32 | Wyzard | tordaenda: The kernel contains IPsec support developed by the KAME project, so FreeS/WAN's kernel modules are no longer relevant |
| 02:01.32 | Feyr | ipsec-tools for me, didn't work last time i tried though |
| 02:01.43 | Feyr | ah thanks Maliuta, i wasn't aware of the other one |
| 02:01.50 | tordaenda | i've read that ipsec-tools isn't as 'complete' as freeswan and though in the kernel might be better to do openswan |
| 02:01.56 | cougar` | Wyzard : I do echo -n "text" then I do echo "done." || echo "FAILED." ... How does it know if it failed? |
| 02:02.00 | Wyzard | tordaenda: Your choice now is between IKE daemons: pluto (from OpenSwan) or racoon (from KAME, packaged in "ipsec-tools") |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: if you /msg dpkg info gdm .. work for you ? |
| 02:02.14 | cougar` | || means or |
| 02:02.21 | cougar` | But how does it know if it failed |
| 02:02.26 | einsteinmg | Wyzard: or isakmpd..., racoon was not that stable last time i tried it |
| 02:02.40 | tordaenda | racoon is ipsec in the kernel |
| 02:02.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope |
| 02:02.50 | Feyr | the KAME kernel module was only half working last time i played with it, transport mode was fine, tunnel mode wasn't. no idea if it's fixed (that was back in 2.6.0-test8) |
| 02:02.57 | Wyzard | tordaenda: No, racoon is an IKE daemon... I've used it |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think we broke dpkg |
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| 02:03.14 | cougar` | Wyzard : Any ideas? |
| 02:03.17 | pureone | cougar maybe the error code it returns |
| 02:03.24 | cougar` | That would be my guess |
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| 02:03.50 | Wyzard | cougar`: The "||" operator looks at the preceding command's exit status |
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| 02:04.19 | Wyzard | cougar`: aka "error code", though a code of 0 is generally interpreted to mean "no error" |
| 02:04.25 | cougar` | Ahhh okay |
| 02:04.26 | cougar` | Thanks |
| 02:04.55 | Wyzard | tordaenda: Now I'm confused as to the difference between isakmpd and pluto though, since I've heard of both in relation to FreeS/WAN, but it was years ago so I don't remember details |
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| 02:05.55 | Feyr | both are IKE afaik, isakmpd is from openbsd, pluto is frees/wan |
| 02:06.15 | pureone | you can see the exit status by using echo $? |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | Feyr: dotty! |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | pureone: are you asking or telling ? |
| 02:06.51 | Feyr | apt-rdepends does the trick without an external package :) |
| 02:06.56 | pureone | telling... |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 02:07.01 | Feyr | apt-rdepends -s=Conflicts |
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| 02:07.17 | tordaenda | Wyzard - i am really confused - but i am going to give openswan the first try |
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| 02:07.36 | rixth | The wonders of Debian. I apt-get update & upgrade last night, when I wake up, I thought "Hmm, I'll do it again" there was already 10mmb of things to download! |
| 02:07.36 | katabroc | in bash, how do I execute a program in background and assign it a variable to kill later with kill? |
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| 02:07.55 | abrotman | katabroc: blah & |
| 02:07.58 | Guerin | katabroc: #bash |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | katabroc: then kill pid |
| 02:08.09 | abrotman | and yeah .. #bash .. i was tricked! |
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| 02:08.18 | abrotman | i hate it when i dilate |
| 02:08.25 | Feyr | heh |
| 02:08.32 | katabroc | dont I have to put $=PID, kill $PID? |
| 02:08.37 | LiquiDark | if my system partition is mostly hosed, such that my system won't boot, what files can I look for that contain my dpkg package selections? |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | my eyes can't see! |
| 02:08.51 | Guerin | rixth: you updated before a katie run, and then again after a katie run |
| 02:08.57 | Wyzard | tordaenda: I'd still use OpenVPN |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | katabroc: why would you want to do that ? .. what you're asking for requires a script afaik .. ask #bash |
| 02:09.14 | Guerin | rixth: unsurprisingly, since katie runs at about 2000 UTC |
| 02:09.16 | maher | LiquiDark: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 02:09.24 | Feyr | use start-stop-daemon |
| 02:09.25 | maher | LiquiDark: what did you do |
| 02:09.37 | Wyzard | katabroc: You got it backward... set PID=$?, since $? will be overwritten next time the script runs any other program, and later, kill $PID |
| 02:09.51 | Guerin | $? is the exis status |
| 02:09.53 | Guerin | not the PID |
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| 02:10.00 | katabroc | hmm |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | isn't it $$ ? |
| 02:10.02 | Feyr | the PID is $$ |
| 02:10.04 | katabroc | i will try it |
| 02:10.12 | abrotman | katabroc: man bash .. /j #bash |
| 02:10.23 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:10.28 | Wyzard | sorry :-) |
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| 02:10.46 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 02:10.50 | Guerin | Wyzard: you're only allowed one egregios error per thousand lines of good irc help |
| 02:10.53 | perfectsound | howdy all |
| 02:10.55 | Guerin | :) |
| 02:11.02 | LiquiDark | maher: so I can copy that onto another system and monkey with dpkg to get it into a format suitable for dpkg --get-selections'ing it? or can I just use that file for that? |
| 02:11.05 | Guerin | oops |
| 02:11.13 | Guerin | there's mine, fo misspelling egregious |
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| 02:11.32 | maher | LiquiDark: are you booted to linux on the computer atm? |
| 02:11.33 | tordaenda | Wyzard - I will give openvpn a try for sure - i read it is good for when there is dynamic ip at both ends where freeswan required at least one end to be static |
| 02:11.48 | LiquiDark | maher: I'm not even sure. I tried rmmod'ing a running network card, which my system didn't like at all. I rebooted, and suddenly all the partitions were a mess |
| 02:11.53 | Feyr | LiquiDark i'd do something like cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep " installed" -B1 | grep Package |
| 02:12.00 | Feyr | should give you the list of installed packages :) |
| 02:12.08 | seven_six_two | do i only need to have 1 line in my sources.list pointing to etch to upgrade from sarge? |
| 02:12.12 | maher | LiquiDark: what happens when you boot |
| 02:12.15 | LiquiDark | maher: I'm booted into a shell in knoppix |
| 02:12.21 | abrotman | !tell seven_six_two about sarge->etch |
| 02:12.41 | maher | LiquiDark: try using chroot and see if things work in a chroot |
| 02:12.44 | LiquiDark | maher: previously, it would refuse to mount any of my partitions and say I needed to fsck them, but fsck didn't help |
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| 02:13.09 | LiquiDark | this funky knoppix shell doesn't seem to chroot right, and in any case the sheer quantity of stuff in /lost+found suggests to me that it won't work |
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| 02:13.33 | seven_six_two | abrotman, ah yes. that's what i did, but i can't find glibc in my list |
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| 02:13.45 | abrotman | list of what ? |
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| 02:13.53 | seven_six_two | synaptic file list |
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| 02:14.05 | abrotman | !info glibc etch |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 02:14.10 | abrotman | dpkg: work damn you |
| 02:14.10 | tordaenda | thank you #debian for the feedback |
| 02:14.11 | LiquiDark | feyr: will a list of installed packages be enough for dpkg? or should I just pipe it to apt-get somehow? |
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| 02:14.20 | abrotman | ~info glibc etch |
| 02:14.29 | Feyr | apt-get, dpkg won't go fetch them |
| 02:14.32 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:14.39 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:14.40 | rixth | How do you set a background in Openbox3? |
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| 02:14.46 | abrotman | @info gdm etch |
| 02:14.48 | Feyr | do something like cat filewithlistofpackages | xargs apt-get |
| 02:14.49 | Guerin | in beijing we're going to be staying at the Green Dragon Inn |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | do any of the fucking bots work ? |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | Guerin: channel -ot ? |
| 02:15.00 | Guerin | straight outta hobbiton! |
| 02:15.04 | seto_ | hi ,my firefox crash many time per day |
| 02:15.05 | Guerin | yeah yeah |
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| 02:15.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: is your bot broken too? |
| 02:15.13 | seto_ | how can I know what is the problem |
| 02:15.22 | Guerin | seto_: doing what? |
| 02:15.28 | LiquiDark | feyr: thanks, I'll give that a try if I can figure out a way to get the file off this computer before nuking it |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | ~info libc etch |
| 02:15.38 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:15.41 | seto_ | Guerin, lauching a web page like ebay , |
| 02:15.44 | seto_ | or some other |
| 02:15.49 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 02:15.51 | seven_six_two | seto_, run it in console and see if you get any suspicious output |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | shit |
| 02:15.52 | seto_ | I have remove all plugins, and all extension |
| 02:15.56 | Guerin | seto_: flash or java plugins installed? |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | seven_six_two: it's libc6 .. duh . no glibc |
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| 02:16.11 | rixth | dpkg works if you /msg him |
| 02:16.32 | seto_ | Guerin, I have remove this plugin today , and it crash without well |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | rixth: nope |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | rixth: not for info gdm etch |
| 02:16.48 | seven_six_two | they're the same? i found that, I just wasn't sure because the ati page referred to it as glibc 2.2 or 2.3 |
| 02:17.05 | rixth | abrotman, oh, I was thinking working in general, say ask 'perl'. |
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| 02:17.11 | abrotman | rixth: yes .. those work |
| 02:18.09 | seto_ | well , I retry the same works running firefox in a terminal |
| 02:18.15 | seto_ | crash and no output |
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| 02:18.40 | mokomull | I'm installing Debian, and it seems to be hung on kernel installation... |
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| 02:18.59 | mokomull | Says "The kernel that you are installing is the same as the kernel you are running... press ENTER to continue" |
| 02:19.05 | mokomull | How do I make it think I pressed ENTER? |
| 02:19.08 | seto_ | when I say crash , I will say that I can't do nothing with firefox , the page don't display |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | mokomull: you press enter :) |
| 02:19.27 | Guerin | seto_: the browser doesn't exit? |
| 02:19.32 | Guerin | seto_: does it freeze? |
| 02:19.40 | behrouz | hi how do i know what kind of shell i'm using (csh or bash etc) ? |
| 02:19.58 | mokomull | abrotman: that's on TTY3, which is the output... it doesn't seem to be registering it as a press |
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| 02:19.59 | abrotman | behrouz: unless you messed with it .. probably bash |
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| 02:20.23 | rixth | I found dpkg! http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.969513,-117.327599&spn=0.004903,0.007522&t=k&hl=en |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | mokomull: did you try linux26 at the installer prompt before it starts ? |
| 02:20.28 | behrouz | abrotman: what was the command to find that out? thx |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | ps -u <username> |
| 02:20.40 | abrotman | find your shell |
| 02:20.56 | launch | . |
| 02:21.11 | mokomull | abrotman: It's a 486, I *really* don't want to reboot and start over |
| 02:21.17 | mokomull | It's taken it 4 hours to get this far |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | mokomull: holy poo |
| 02:21.19 | kimo | anyone knows how to compare mobile CPU speeds to regular ones? How fast is a 1.8G-Mobile |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | mokomull: i feel your pain .. i dist-upgraded my 486 .. took 6 hours i thin |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | think |
| 02:21.41 | mokomull | kimo: Centrino? Faster than a 2.8GHz Celeron, I can tell you that. |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | kimo: benchmarks |
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| 02:21.57 | mokomull | so can I get the installation to proceed or what? |
| 02:22.00 | mokomull | or am I just fucked/ |
| 02:22.02 | behrouz | abrotman: i think there was a command that just printed out the shell type |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:22.40 | kimo | mokomull: I am trying to get a laptop, I am confused about Pentium M speeds |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | kimo: just pick the one you can afford .. what does the rest matter |
| 02:22.59 | mokomull | kimo: Generally, double it, and that's about the speed P4 that it's comparable to. This is just a rule of thumb though. |
| 02:23.10 | mokomull | Basically, any Pentium M is good enough :) |
| 02:23.27 | cougar` | Wyzard : client all accept <== This would be like saying, Enabling or allowing all client replies? |
| 02:23.28 | seto_ | Guerin, yes doesn't exit , and freez |
| 02:23.31 | kimo | mokomull: cool, & I should NOT get a celeron right |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | behrouz: echo $SHELL |
| 02:23.40 | mokomull | kimo: not no but HELL no |
| 02:23.40 | seto_ | I use mozilla-firefox version 1.0.5 |
| 02:23.44 | Guerin | seto_: what branch of debian, and are you using the debian firefox package? |
| 02:23.50 | mokomull | Grr, this is pissing me off |
| 02:23.53 | behrouz | sweet thx |
| 02:23.56 | kimo | mokomull: is Pentium M, centrino, or celeron |
| 02:24.08 | seto_ | Guerin, unstable , debian firefox package version 1.0.5 |
| 02:24.11 | abrotman | mokomull: you could ask #debian-boot |
| 02:24.13 | Guerin | centrino is a chipset bundle |
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| 02:24.23 | Guerin | pentium m cpus are what's found in the centrino bundle |
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| 02:24.29 | mokomull | kimo: Pentium M = Cenrino. Except "Centrino" refers to the combination of Pentium M, an Intel chipset, and an Intel 802.11g card. |
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| 02:24.56 | kimo | great, so if it's a celeron, it will have a big fat Celeron written on it |
| 02:25.04 | kimo | not hiding under M or somthing |
| 02:25.22 | tordaenda | Wyzard - something you might be interested in http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2004-12/msg00648.html |
| 02:25.32 | Guerin | kimo: right |
| 02:25.39 | kimo | Thanks a lot guys |
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| 02:25.53 | abrotman | also ask #hardware |
| 02:26.05 | Guerin | seto_: try moving your .mozilla/firefox dir away |
| 02:26.18 | kimo | thnx |
| 02:26.20 | seto_ | Guerin, in bug list I see many people who say crash ! |
| 02:26.44 | Guerin | seto_: say ten times 'I LOVE SID!' |
| 02:26.47 | seto_ | Guerin, I have remove .mozilla/firefox, purge the package , remove plugins, reinstall package |
| 02:26.54 | mokomull | nevermind, folks... it seems to "just work" now :) |
| 02:26.59 | Guerin | seto_: it's just fucked, then. Downgrade. |
| 02:26.59 | liable | haha |
| 02:27.14 | seto_ | Guerin, how ? apt-get install -t testing mozilla-firefox |
| 02:27.28 | Guerin | seto_: if you have testing in your sources.list |
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| 02:27.58 | seto_ | if I havent I must insert ? |
| 02:28.13 | Guerin | seto_: if you haven't, you must read man apt_preferences |
| 02:28.14 | seto_ | is it a better way to use apt-get install -t sarge mozilla-firefox |
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| 02:35.38 | StriderZ | If I wanted to download an old version of a package on my system (testing/unstable), where would I look for it? |
| 02:36.11 | deadcat | archives.debian.net maybe |
| 02:36.33 | deadcat | nope |
| 02:36.40 | abrotman | snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 02:36.46 | dpkg | i heard debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | dpkg: thank you .. helpful as alwayws |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:37.15 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:37.17 | migma | lol |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did you kill him ? |
| 02:37.27 | seto_ | Guerin, hmm , not funny , I downgrade, I have now 1.0.4-2 , and same freez |
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| 02:37.39 | seto_ | can somebody can run the same thing and say to me if it crash ? |
| 02:37.45 | liable | abrotman: you bastard, killed dpkg :P |
| 02:37.51 | abrotman | yeah .. not the first time |
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| 02:38.27 | StriderZ | hrm... |
| 02:38.41 | StriderZ | I just want the previous version, not something super old |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with that ? |
| 02:38.57 | StriderZ | snapshot isn't showing me anything for "jack" |
| 02:39.03 | abrotman | jackd ? |
| 02:39.05 | abrotman | or just jack ? |
| 02:39.13 | StriderZ | jackd |
| 02:39.16 | StriderZ | either one |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | did you search for it ? |
| 02:39.50 | liable | StriderZ: if you havent cleaned your apt cache, you prolly have an older package.. |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | since i found tons for both |
| 02:39.56 | StriderZ | oh...woit... |
| 02:40.04 | StriderZ | I was searching wrong... |
| 02:40.29 | StriderZ | liable: guess I cleaned it recently |
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| 02:40.36 | abrotman | StriderZ: right .. that's what i thought :) |
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| 02:44.19 | seto_ | hmm it's not firefox , it's gecko who's crashing ! |
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| 02:44.30 | Guerin | seto_: heh |
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| 02:45.02 | seto_ | Guerin, I try the same thing with kazehakaze , and same fucking freeze |
| 02:45.28 | seto_ | is it another web browser without gecko ! ? |
| 02:45.32 | maher | seto_: does the program freeze or the whole machine |
| 02:45.56 | doub | just wondering, btw, why gecko based packages and stuff depend on mozilla-browser, and not any separate maybe libgecko package? |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | seto_: opera/konq/links |
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| 02:46.23 | seto_ | mathieu_, the program |
| 02:46.23 | Wyzard | doub: Mostly because Gecko hasn't been split out cleanly like that |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | doub: i wondered that a while ago .. gave up wondering :) |
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| 02:46.50 | Wyzard | doub: It probably will be eventually... but I read a mailing-list post a year or two saying that it should be done sometime, and it still hasn't been |
| 02:46.54 | maher | seto_: dillo |
| 02:46.57 | behrouz | what kind of text editors does the debian uml have |
| 02:46.57 | alus | sorry to ask here, but I'm having trouble finding info elsewhere |
| 02:47.09 | abrotman | ask what ? |
| 02:47.16 | doub | Wyzard: that doesn't prevent it from being used by external apps, so it has to be some kind of separated, at least at the binary level |
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| 02:47.19 | alus | can someone tell me the difference between a "configure" that does and one that does not use "config.sub"? |
| 02:47.26 | maher | behrouz: all the editors that debian has |
| 02:47.37 | alus | specifically with regard to using --host in the configure line |
| 02:47.42 | seto_ | ok I try with konqueror |
| 02:47.44 | Wyzard | doub: I know... I'm not sure if it'd be some sort of upstream thing, or just a packaging change |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | alus: could you be more vague :) |
| 02:48.28 | StriderZ | what's the easiest way to put a package on hold? |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | !Hold |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | ~hold |
| 02:48.34 | apt | from memory, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, ... |
| 02:48.43 | behrouz | maher: for some strange reason, my debian has gedit n i have the debian uml installed and mounted my host's filesystem on it, but when i try gedit in uml session it doesn't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:48.45 | seto_ | wow 5 oclock : |
| 02:48.49 | doub | Wyzard: debian already has sometimes 2 packages where upstream has 1, think about gaim and gaim-data, or xfree-common, so why wouldn't debian enforce such a thing for gecko? |
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| 02:48.59 | alus | abrotman: ok, let me give you an example. when compiling python, there is no config.sub. I can say './configure --host thehost' and everything goes fine |
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| 02:49.03 | abrotman | alus: you tried #linux ? |
| 02:49.19 | redpoptart | How do I apt-get install a package from unstable in sarge? |
| 02:49.26 | Wyzard | doub: Maybe there's more involved than just a shared library... a configuration mechanism or something, I dunno |
| 02:49.27 | alus | when compiling a different project, './configure --host thehost' fails, because it has config.sub, which thehost is not listed in |
| 02:49.30 | alus | abrotman: yes, I did |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | alus: i was joking about you being vague .. usually we get "My thingie is broken .. what's wrong" |
| 02:49.38 | maher | behrouz: i assume the uml is using its own file system - install gedit on it |
| 02:49.45 | seto_ | redpoptart, apt-get install -t unstable package |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | alus: and #gcc ? .. though they might castrate you |
| 02:49.57 | redpoptart | seto_, thank you! |
| 02:50.03 | maher | redpoptart: you don't - look at backports.org |
| 02:50.10 | alus | abrotman: ah, well my thingie is half broken! I could conform |
| 02:50.12 | Wyzard | redpoptart: For that to work, you'll need to have an entry for unstable in your sources.list |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | alus: heh |
| 02:50.18 | alus | abrotman: I'll ask in #gcc if you make me |
| 02:50.22 | darkheart | Hello, I'm having a little trouble getting bittorrent clients connected. I don't have a firewall running, but it doesn't seem to be able to connect. Any clues as to what I can do? |
| 02:50.25 | behrouz | maher: i can't even do apt-get in my uml session!!!! |
| 02:50.28 | Wyzard | redpoptart: And if you do that, you'd better configure apt to use sarge by default, or you'll end up upgrading everything |
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| 02:50.32 | maher | behrouz: why not |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | alus: i'm just not certain anyone that i've seen talking in here recently would know |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | maybe maher knows!?! |
| 02:50.43 | behrouz | maher: no idea!!! |
| 02:50.49 | Wyzard | darkheart: Are you behind a NAT? |
| 02:50.58 | doub | Wyzard: and besides, it would prevent having several binary incatations of gecko in memory when using, say, firefox, thunderbird, galeon, and whatever stuff uses gecko |
| 02:51.02 | alus | abrotman: alright. thanks |
| 02:51.02 | redpoptart | Wyzard, hrmm. sounds dangerous :) |
| 02:51.09 | darkheart | Wyzard, Yes, I'm behind a router, but I have to ports forwarded. |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | alus: however .. there really should be a channel for the autotools :) |
| 02:51.14 | maher | behrouz: obviously - what error |
| 02:51.25 | Wyzard | redpoptart: In /etc/apt/apt.conf, APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 02:51.27 | maher | abrotman: alus autoconf is too scary for me |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | alus: you might possibly also get help in #c .. but all these places could stuff you in a small box |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | maher: do you want your mommy ? |
| 02:51.39 | doub | Wyzard: well, i agree, #debian is not the right place to rant for this sort of things |
| 02:51.45 | maher | abrotman: she's scared too... |
| 02:51.47 | alus | abrotman: yes! except I bet the devs are too ebarrassed |
| 02:51.55 | behrouz | maher: it just says cant find command |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | maher: heh |
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| 02:52.11 | Wyzard | behrouz: Do you actually have Debian installed in your UML? |
| 02:52.16 | maher | behrouz: where did you get the root filesystem for your uml from? |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | alus: let me look at the /list to see if there might be a better place |
| 02:52.23 | redpoptart | Wyzard, I don't seem to have an apt.conf in my /etc/apt dir. |
| 02:52.32 | Wyzard | redpoptart: Create it |
| 02:52.45 | doub | Wyzard: would a wishlist bug filled against mozilla-browser be any sort of useful or just annoying to the maintainer(s)? |
| 02:52.46 | Wyzard | redpoptart: Or create a file (maybe called "local" in apt.conf.d |
| 02:52.58 | maher | redpoptart: try backports.org first |
| 02:53.01 | Wyzard | doub: Probably just annoying; they already know it'd be a good idea |
| 02:53.08 | behrouz | maher: uml debian site, but let me try another root filesystem n c what happens |
| 02:53.11 | redpoptart | Will do |
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| 02:53.22 | Wyzard | darkheart: Maybe you have the wrong ports forwarded, or maybe your ISP blocks the ports you're using |
| 02:53.33 | behrouz | Wyzard: i dont think its possible to install debian in uml, i might be wrong |
| 02:53.46 | Wyzard | darkheart: or maybe your bittorrent client isn't configured to use the ports you've forwarded |
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| 02:53.53 | Wyzard | behrouz: I don't see why not |
| 02:54.00 | Wyzard | darkheart: or maybe they're forwarded to the wrong IP, etc. |
| 02:54.03 | darkheart | Wyzard I'll try 6881-6999. I know my ISP doesn't block the ports. |
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| 02:54.24 | abrotman | alus: nothing i can see .. query #gcc,#c or #c++ .. see if they have a better place to ask .. |
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| 02:54.34 | darkheart | Wyzard I'm configuring it right now, and the port test isn't working. |
| 02:54.41 | kamaraju | Let's say I start gaim in KDE and close the window. Then it is still there in the system tray. Due to this gaim starts automatically the next time I do startx. I do not want gaim to be started automatically. Is there any way to accomplish that? Thanks. |
| 02:54.42 | doub | Wyzard: yeah, but knowing it isn't sufficient. i know i should quit smoking. |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | alus: or maybe even #gnu since they are GNU tools |
| 02:54.57 | mem | is anything special required to mount a UFS partition if support for it is readied in the kernel? any special options passed to 'mount,' per se? |
| 02:55.01 | doub | Wyzard: it would have been done long ago otherwise |
| 02:55.10 | Wyzard | doub: Lack of time or interest maybe? |
| 02:55.46 | chealer | kamaraju: close it before you close the session? |
| 02:55.54 | Wyzard | doub: I'm not sure that the current packaging prevents sharing of the library, anyway |
| 02:56.01 | darkheart | Wyzard Is there a log I can look at somewhere? |
| 02:56.15 | Wyzard | darkheart: Your system can't log packets it never receives |
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| 02:56.37 | cougar` | Wyzard : I understand everything in my firehol.conf file except for the routing section. Why ser all accept on the masquerading part |
| 02:56.39 | Wyzard | darkheart: Get someone to nmap you |
| 02:56.46 | cougar` | err server* |
| 02:56.48 | kamaraju | chealer: Even if I close before I close the session, it still starts up next time. This is because it gets automatically added to the system tray. |
| 02:57.03 | Wyzard | cougar`: That allows clients on the LAN to access arbitrary services on the Internet |
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| 02:57.44 | cougar` | and for the services part of the router |
| 02:57.49 | Wyzard | cougar`: On a more restrictive network, you'd configure it to only accept specific services like HTTP and SMTP, but this is a home LAN |
| 02:57.51 | cougar` | Allows all services opn ports you forwarded to be accepted? |
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| 02:57.57 | poli | Can anyone point me to a package that converts .ASF files to .MPEG or equivalent? |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | fucking shit |
| 02:58.14 | cougar` | Wyzard : Yeah, same here |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | @mplayer |
| 02:58.18 | ravenbird | deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main for the source, and deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ for PPC .debs |
| 02:58.29 | Wyzard | poli: mencoder, from the marillat source, but be aware that that sort of conversion is necessarily lossy |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | ~mplayer |
| 02:58.50 | apt | mplayer is probably read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
| 02:58.55 | poli | abrotman: my mplayer is hanging on Sig 11 on the files :( |
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| 02:58.57 | abrotman | yeah .. ravenbird's factoid sucks |
| 02:59.00 | Oldak | So are all the Supreme Court decisions going to go to the conservatives now? |
| 02:59.05 | poli | abrotman: but is maplayer capable of converting? |
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| 02:59.08 | poli | Wyzard: Thanks! |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | Oldak: wrong channel |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | Oldak: #politics |
| 02:59.17 | Wyzard | cougar`: If you're talking about the first router entry, that allows my Web browser and IRC client and email client, etc., to talk to their respective servers on the Internet |
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| 02:59.34 | Oldak | Sorry, thought I was in a different channel :) |
| 02:59.36 | mfrisch | poli mencoder is part of it |
| 02:59.40 | Wyzard | cougar`: If you're talking about the second router entry, it allows others to connect to my bittorrent |
| 02:59.48 | poli | mfrisch: thanks |
| 02:59.49 | Wyzard | cougar`: (or other such forwarded ports) |
| 03:00.11 | doub | abrotman: isn't freenode about free software and related projects only? |
| 03:00.13 | cougar` | Lets see.... |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | doub: no .. there are many social channels |
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| 03:00.33 | Wyzard | cougar`: The way port-forwarding works is that matching packets have their destination IP changed, and then they're matched against that second router entry, so the router entry needs to allow connections from the Internet to internal machines |
| 03:00.42 | behrouz | anyone knows anything about the red hat 9 root file system? trying to run debian uml from it |
| 03:00.42 | cougar` | There's dnat, interface, and router entrys |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | doub: i think they use them to keep the crap out of the real channels :) |
| 03:01.03 | mem | ..anyone knowledgable about mounting a UFS partition in debian? i keep getting "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1" when i try mount -t ufs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/mountpoint (hdc1 being the bsd partition i need to mount) |
| 03:01.11 | maher | behrouz: what is your main os? |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | -t auto |
| 03:01.26 | behrouz | maher: sarge |
| 03:01.34 | Wyzard | cougar`: The interface entries deal with connections to and from oversoul itself; the router entries deal with connections between computers on either side of it, passing through |
| 03:01.37 | maher | mem: what does file /dev/hdc1 say |
| 03:01.43 | cougar` | On the second router entry, server all accept means, accept all services n forwarded ports. Correct? |
| 03:01.46 | TwistedEmotions | Is there some room for windows techsupport.. |
| 03:01.48 | Wyzard | maher: You mean "file -s" |
| 03:01.54 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: #windows, if it exists |
| 03:01.57 | mem | maher: /dev/hdc1: block special (22/1) |
| 03:01.58 | Internat | /dev/hdb5 /mnt/fdrive auto rw,auto 0 0 <== that seem a valid entry for fstap to auto mount one of my drives? |
| 03:01.59 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: #hahayousuck |
| 03:02.00 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: nope |
| 03:02.11 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Probably not, then... try efnet |
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| 03:02.22 | cougar` | Wyzard: On the second router entry, server all accept means, accept all services n forwarded ports. Correct? |
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| 03:02.32 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: good luck ... windows techsupport comes at a price - either sanity or money... or both |
| 03:02.34 | maher | Wyzard: mem: umm... yes |
| 03:02.44 | Wyzard | cougar`: Technically, it just means accept all services, but the only services that get matched against it are the forwarded ones |
| 03:02.58 | maher | behrouz: and what is your uml root fs? |
| 03:02.58 | cougar` | OKay |
| 03:03.10 | SDFH_Linux | is a pure unstable install possible? |
| 03:03.22 | mem | maher: ? |
| 03:03.23 | Wyzard | cougar`: since they're the only ones whose packets originate on the Internet and are addressed to something on the LAN... all other incoming packets are addressed to oversoul itself |
| 03:03.24 | tux | hi everybody |
| 03:03.31 | `UD | what is it in the new sshd that needs to be changed to allow remote logins? i cant remember from the last time |
| 03:03.32 | supsup | I'm having big issues with Debian Sarge AMD64. I can't log in as anything or get to a command line. It starts to start and then it says libdl.so.2 can't be found and then it won't let me log in as anything. I need to get this fixed ASAP. |
| 03:03.34 | maher | mem: try file -s /dev/hdc1 |
| 03:03.37 | mfrisch | tux :)~ |
| 03:03.55 | mem | maher: /dev/hdc1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x3c, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0x0, reserved 0x16, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x1f), BSD disklabel |
| 03:03.56 | behrouz | maher: i have different root fs's, one from debian and other is red hat 9 root fs, right now runnin it from red hat but can switch |
| 03:04.05 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I think the installer's "expert mode" lets you choose to install testing or unstable directly, but it doesn't always work since unstable isn't tested for that |
| 03:04.17 | maher | behrouz: well apt isn't going to work on red hat is it |
| 03:04.19 | Guerin | hrm, what controls whether a machine starts back up automatically after the power goes out or similar? |
| 03:04.25 | Wyzard | Guerin: the BIOS |
| 03:04.28 | maher | Guerin: bios stuff |
| 03:04.28 | behrouz | maher:main concern is that gedit and some other apps dont run even though i've enabled hostfs in uml |
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| 03:04.39 | Guerin | right-o |
| 03:04.40 | mem | maher: good/bad? |
| 03:04.42 | maher | behrouz: boot the debian root fs |
| 03:04.47 | mem | maher: it should be able to be mounted, correct? |
| 03:04.48 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:04.56 | maher | mem: um - looks fine to me |
| 03:05.02 | darkheart | Wyzard /part |
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| 03:05.07 | Guerin | my server has an annoying habit of staying shut down when the power goes out and then back on |
| 03:05.13 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I've tried it a few times (months ago, not recently) and it's never worked for me |
| 03:05.42 | maher | supsup: do you have a boot cd / floppy |
| 03:06.11 | supsup | I'm having big issues with Debian Sarge AMD64. I can't log in as anything or get to a command line. It starts to start and then it says libdl.so.2 can't be found and then it won't let me log in as anything. I need to get this fixed ASAP. The other day somebody told me to boot with init=/bin/bash. I added this to GRUB but I still got the same error. Maher, I have a Kubuntu Live CD that won't let me mount me Linux partition, bad superblock |
| 03:06.20 | maher | `UD: there used to be a file called sshd_dont_run or something |
| 03:06.27 | behrouz | maher: now runnin uml from debian root fs |
| 03:06.33 | `UD | maher: ahh.. okies |
| 03:06.46 | SDFH_Linux | how about the netinstall that is only testing |
| 03:06.49 | `UD | maher: its running, but wont allow remote logins is all |
| 03:06.51 | maher | supsup: well - you need to find some way to boot the box so you can mount the fs |
| 03:07.04 | mfrisch | supsup your screwed |
| 03:07.07 | mem | maher: is there anything wrong with 'mount -t ufs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/bsd'? i have modprobe'd 'ufs' already, so i assumed it should work..? |
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| 03:07.22 | maher | `UD: dunno - look in sshd_config and see if it says anything useful looking |
| 03:07.27 | `UD | k |
| 03:07.34 | maher | behrouz: does gedit work? |
| 03:07.42 | mfrisch | supsup some one told you to add what to grub |
| 03:07.56 | maher | mem: well mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/bsd should also work |
| 03:08.14 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: testing is more likely to be directly installable than unstable |
| 03:08.45 | SDFH_Linux | its stable, testing then testing? |
| 03:08.48 | SDFH_Linux | opps |
| 03:08.51 | behrouz | maher: no :( |
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| 03:09.00 | SDFH_Linux | stable, testing, unstable |
| 03:09.11 | mem | maher: it asks to specify the filesystem type, so i specify ufs and it gives me this: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, missing codepage or other error |
| 03:09.13 | maher | behrouz: can you run apt-get |
| 03:09.14 | supsup | mfrisch, they didn't tell me to it to GRUB, they told me to "boot with init=/bin/bash" but they didn't tell me how. I assumed I'd need to change stuff in GRUB so I added that line before savedefault |
| 03:09.29 | maher | mem: it should be able to work out the fs type on its own |
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| 03:09.51 | Wyzard | supsup: You can also just type it into a grub prompt when you boot |
| 03:09.54 | mem | maher: yeah, i normally don't specify it for other partitions.. so i'm not sure what's wrong. any suggestions? this partition was just working moments ago in bsd. |
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| 03:10.02 | Wyzard | supsup: Press 'E' while at your grub menu |
| 03:11.21 | supsup | k, and then |
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| 03:12.14 | Guerin | abrotman: l8rz d00d |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:12.39 | Wyzard | supsup: You'll get a list of the grub commands for the entry you'd selected... probably an initrd line and a kernel line |
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| 03:12.47 | Guerin | supsup: add it to the end of your 'kernel' line in menu.list |
| 03:12.54 | Wyzard | supsup: Highlight the kernel line, press 'E' again, and edit |
| 03:12.57 | Guerin | supsup: you can edit it on boot by using 'e' |
| 03:12.58 | shimano55 | Question, What is on-the-fly encoding? |
| 03:13.19 | behrouz | maher: no apt-get doesn't work |
| 03:13.20 | pattern_ | is there any way to convert a flac format file to mp3 while keeping its id3 tags? i use "flac -sdc infile.flac | lame - outfile.mp3" but that doesn't preserve the mp3 flags :( |
| 03:13.20 | Wyzard | supsup: It's basically the same change you were going to make in your menu.lst, but done at boot time, and not saved in the config file so you don't need to undo it later |
| 03:13.30 | Guerin | tictac: man grep; can also be done with grep and awk |
| 03:13.42 | useruser | tictac: don't just can them, prefix each line with the filename |
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| 03:13.45 | useruser | *cat |
| 03:14.08 | tictac | ive tried -H but it doesnt seem to be working |
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| 03:14.29 | useruser | tictac: if you cat them then grep has no way of knowing which chunk of text came from which file |
| 03:14.32 | Guerin | tictac: or for file in *; if grep badgers ;then echo $file; fi ; done |
| 03:14.36 | mem_ | ergh, maher, the rj45 cable in this machine is a bit touchy for now.. did i miss any comments? or do you have no other suggestions? |
| 03:14.42 | Guerin | tictac: untested :) |
| 03:14.46 | seeeeeeee | Hi this is supsup, I got disconnected (wirless :/) and supsup is still in use. |
| 03:14.51 | tictac | useruser: ahh i see what you mean |
| 03:15.01 | seeeeeeee | so I have that list like you say Wyzard, thanks for helping btw, what do I do now |
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| 03:16.12 | Wyzard | seeeeeeee: Add the option to the end, press Enter, and 'b' to boot |
| 03:16.41 | wishie | how do i use iptables to drop a route to 1 ip ?i masq the internet to my internal network, but want to drop the connection to 1 ip when i need to |
| 03:16.51 | wishie | basically, flatmate who leaves p2p programs on 24/7 |
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| 03:17.29 | Guerin | tictac: for file in *; do if grep badgers $file 2>&1>/dev/null ;then echo $file ;fi ; done #works |
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| 03:19.13 | tictac | Guerin: hmm. thanks. |
| 03:21.22 | ponds | Hi, my hard drive is filling really fast and I'm not sure where |
| 03:21.22 | ponds | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.22 | ponds | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.22 | ponds | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:21.34 | ponds | sorry |
| 03:22.04 | Ipsooo | ponds > use du |
| 03:23.00 | ponds | so is there any way that i can get du to give me directories with over X amount of data only? i have probably over 100k directories |
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| 03:23.45 | Guerin | ponds: du --all --max-depth 1 |sort -n will show the size of all files and dirs (and their contents) in the current dir, ordered, with the biggest at the bottom |
| 03:24.02 | ponds | that will work great, thanks :) |
| 03:24.13 | zebalin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:24.28 | Guerin | zebalin: still pretty shakey, I think |
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| 03:24.48 | seeeeeeee | k that doesn't work Wyzard, still doing the same thing. It says libdl.so.2 doesn't exist. Could this be because I may have run out of disk space? |
| 03:24.50 | dbernar1 | where is dpkg? |
| 03:24.51 | dbernar1 | :) |
| 03:24.54 | litage | how does one get firefox to display pdf docs inline rather than just download them? |
| 03:25.23 | zebalin | Guerin: ok, thanks for info. I expect it to settle in a few days or week. I want to get xorg but not do dist-upgrade. |
| 03:25.50 | Wyzard | seeeeeeee: libdl.so.2 is from the libc6 package, which is an essential part of the base system |
| 03:26.05 | Wyzard | seeeeeeee: If it's actually missing, your installation is incomplete and/or severely broken, and you should reinstall |
| 03:26.19 | Guerin | litage: is there a pdf plugin? you can make them open automaticcally in xpdf or something, trivially. |
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| 03:26.33 | seeeeeeee | it gives me warnings about reinstall like it's dangerous, should I ignore these |
| 03:26.36 | teufel | Is there a special way to set up subdomains in httpd.conf? I have it set up just like I do a virtual host for a different domain I own and I get a "You don't have permission to access / on this server." error |
| 03:26.37 | Guerin | opening non-native documents in a browser window is a bad idea though |
| 03:26.47 | matttt | Hi, I'm using Sarge, how do I run the exim config script again ? |
| 03:26.55 | Guerin | provides many opportunities for things to break, and wastes hella shitloads of ram |
| 03:27.10 | Guerin | matttt: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 03:27.25 | Wyzard | seeeeeeee: What gives you warnings about reinstalling? |
| 03:27.31 | matttt | ah, tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4, thanks you rock. |
| 03:27.34 | litage | Guerin: just found it: mozilla-acroread pkg |
| 03:27.43 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.47 | Guerin | don't use acrobat reader |
| 03:28.12 | litage | Guerin: why not? |
| 03:28.24 | dbernar1 | cause its non-free. |
| 03:28.39 | dbernar1 | and there is replacements. |
| 03:28.46 | dbernar1 | improvements:) |
| 03:28.52 | zebalin | dbernar1: I didn't pay for it? I don't know anyone who paid for it. Works great with FireFox. |
| 03:28.59 | litage | dbernar1: the acroread and mozilla-acroread packages are free |
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| 03:29.02 | dbernar1 | Anyone know where dpkg is? |
| 03:29.10 | Guerin | litage: acrobat reader is free? |
| 03:29.12 | dbernar1 | ok, cool guys, I just thought I would mention that. |
| 03:29.46 | zebalin | I like xpdf better but acroread is only pgm that will let you fill in and SAVE pdf FORMS. (Like IRS forms). |
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| 03:29.57 | dbernar1 | http://www.us.debian.org/intro/free for those that dont know yet... |
| 03:30.05 | litage | Guerin: yes, the reader is free |
| 03:30.10 | Guerin | litage: proof? |
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| 03:30.29 | useruser | litage: free != no money (around here, at least) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software |
| 03:30.29 | litage | Guerin: adobe.com and follow the links to download acrobat reader. you'll see it's free |
| 03:30.30 | Guerin | litage: see dbernar1's link above to see if we're speaking the same language |
| 03:30.44 | Guerin | ok, we're not |
| 03:30.52 | zebalin | Adobe did a really good job on acroread 7.0. There is a deb package in the marilliat repos. |
| 03:30.56 | Guerin | !tell litage about free software |
| 03:30.56 | dbernar1 | hehe:) |
| 03:31.03 | Guerin | ~tell litage about free software |
| 03:31.09 | dbernar1 | no cpkg |
| 03:31.09 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:31.11 | dbernar1 | dpkg |
| 03:31.14 | dbernar1 | I was telling you. |
| 03:31.16 | dbernar1 | Where is the bot? |
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| 03:31.37 | Guerin | dbernar1: in bot limbo |
| 03:31.45 | dbernar1 | I wonder, maybe its something exciting. |
| 03:31.51 | Guerin | doubtful |
| 03:31.56 | Guerin | sometimes he just flakes out |
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| 03:32.16 | pippijn | hi all |
| 03:32.18 | dbernar1 | prolly maintenance...but... |
| 03:32.20 | dbernar1 | ghey |
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| 03:32.39 | pippijn | now that sarge is stable, does that mean it won't get many updates anymore? |
| 03:32.53 | pippijn | like kernel upgrades |
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| 03:32.58 | useruser | pippijn: yes |
| 03:33.13 | useruser | pippijn: essential just security fixes |
| 03:33.13 | pippijn | okay so I should switch to etch for that |
| 03:33.22 | useruser | *essentially |
| 03:33.35 | pippijn | or sid? |
| 03:33.40 | useruser | pippijn: your call |
| 03:33.47 | SDFH_Linux | etch is unstable? |
| 03:33.54 | useruser | SDFH_Linux: nope |
| 03:33.54 | pippijn | etch is testing |
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| 03:34.12 | pippijn | what do you use? |
| 03:34.15 | positrix | !test |
| 03:34.27 | dbernar1 | dpkg gone... |
| 03:34.35 | pippijn | I want upgrades but not have a broken system (unstable) I guess I will get etch then |
| 03:34.49 | litage | any recommendations for which of these 2 books i should get?: Linux Security Cookbook (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596003919) or Building Secure Servers With Linux (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596002173) |
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| 03:35.15 | pippijn | there is no non-US repository for etch or sid yet right? |
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| 03:35.38 | Guerin | pippijn: /topic |
| 03:35.55 | pippijn | where does it say so? |
| 03:35.59 | pippijn | in topic |
| 03:36.02 | pippijn | ah |
| 03:36.03 | pippijn | I see |
| 03:36.05 | cougar` | Wyzard : Ya there? |
| 03:36.06 | pippijn | non-us is no more |
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| 03:36.21 | Wyzard | cougar`: yep |
| 03:36.21 | pippijn | so basically, I can remove the non-US repo from sources.list |
| 03:36.36 | tictac | basically. |
| 03:36.37 | pippijn | what happened to the packages in non-US? |
| 03:36.47 | Wyzard | pippijn: They're in main now |
| 03:36.51 | pippijn | ah good :) |
| 03:37.15 | cougar` | Wyzard : I'm using ifconfig eth0 | grep inet\ addr | cut -f 2 -d \: | cut -f 1 -d " " to get the current IP Address of the LAN and same for the WAN. When firehol runs it, I get odd output... |
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| 03:37.44 | `UD | Using enlighentment as a windows manager, what package is needed so i can remote login using xps remote desktop client |
| 03:37.52 | cougar` | Okay I pasted it in flood Wyzard |
| 03:37.53 | Wyzard | cougar`: Why do you need to do that? |
| 03:38.00 | cougar` | For fun |
| 03:38.06 | cougar` | I dunno |
| 03:38.24 | cougar` | So I know rather quickly the IP obtained from the ISP |
| 03:38.36 | pippijn | there is no difference in kernel version between sarge and etch it seems |
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| 03:38.40 | cougar` | When I run the command normally, works well. But in Firehol, it don't like it |
| 03:38.41 | Wyzard | Use dyndns and ez-ipupdate for that :-) |
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| 03:38.56 | cougar` | Whats that? |
| 03:39.14 | Wyzard | dyndns is dyndns.org -- a free DNS service which gives a fixed name to your dynamic IP |
| 03:39.26 | Wyzard | ez-ipupdate is a package which updates your DynDNS record anytime your IP changes |
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| 03:40.12 | dbernar1 | nice, thanks. |
| 03:40.23 | teufel | Anyone reccommend a good GUI for mySQL ? |
| 03:40.31 | teufel | that works on windows? |
| 03:40.40 | nevyn | mysql administrator ? |
| 03:41.14 | Guerin | teufel: no such thing |
| 03:41.25 | teufel | oh really? |
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| 03:41.41 | perfectsound | howdy all |
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| 03:42.03 | dbernar1 | hey |
| 03:42.05 | cougar` | Wyzard : hehe, no thanks. I'm cool. I figured out why it wasn't working :P |
| 03:42.55 | Wyzard | cougar`: Suit yourself, but DynDNS names are much easier to remember than raw IPs, and keeping track of the current IP requires zero effort on your part... and the service is free (unless you want lots of DNS names) |
| 03:43.09 | cougar` | I'm using no-ip |
| 03:43.19 | Wyzard | OK, same sort of thing |
| 03:43.24 | Wyzard | ez-ipupdate can update that too |
| 03:43.38 | perfectsound | what the heck is the command for bittorrent from terminal? i thought it would just be "bittorrent" or something similiar, but no avail... Just apt'd the *.deb package and now i cant find it! aaaah! (half tempted to just download it from bittorrent.com and run natively) |
| 03:43.46 | cougar` | But if my ISP changes my IP, I need to manually update no-ip record |
| 03:43.53 | cougar` | oh |
| 03:43.54 | cougar` | really? |
| 03:44.06 | cougar` | is ez-ipupdate hard to configure? |
| 03:44.10 | nemo | perfectsound: all the common commandline bittorrent commands start with 'bt' |
| 03:44.17 | Wyzard | /usr/share/doc/ez-ipupdate/examples has sample configurations for various dynamic DNS services |
| 03:44.26 | Wyzard | Just copy and edit |
| 03:44.35 | perfectsound | right on thanks nemo |
| 03:44.41 | perfectsound | ill give it a whirl |
| 03:44.48 | Guerin | perfectsound: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:44.55 | Guerin | perfectsound: bah /msg apt search |
| 03:45.05 | Guerin | perfectsound: learn to use your packaging tools |
| 03:45.11 | cougar` | I have ez-iupdate? |
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| 03:45.20 | cougar` | No i need to install it :P |
| 03:45.21 | perfectsound | :) thanks guerin |
| 03:45.39 | Wyzard | cougar`: Copy one of the sample configs, edit it as needed, (mostly just filling in the DNS name and the username/password), give it a name ending in ".conf" (I suggest using the DNS name as the filename), and put it in /etc/ez-ipupdate |
| 03:46.06 | cougar` | I have to get it installed |
| 03:46.07 | cougar` | hang on |
| 03:46.34 | dbernar1 | oh, so now its apt, not dpkg? |
| 03:46.41 | dbernar1 | or just for a while? |
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| 03:46.49 | cougar` | Do I want to manage default configuration using debconf? |
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| 03:47.10 | teufel | Guerin: and yes mysql administrator has windows downloads as well |
| 03:47.38 | Wyzard | cougar`: I didn't know it supported debconf... interesting |
| 03:47.41 | cougar` | Wyzard : Manage your default configuration with debconf? No is the default |
| 03:47.48 | cougar` | I don't know what debconf is |
| 03:47.52 | Wyzard | cougar`: Give it a try if you want, but I wouldn't bother |
| 03:47.57 | Wyzard | cougar`: debconf is the thing that's asking you that question |
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| 03:48.26 | cougar` | So a dialog box is going to auto manage my configuration? What configuration? |
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| 03:48.48 | Wyzard | cougar`: I guess it'd ask you questions and generate the .conf files automatically |
| 03:49.01 | cougar` | okay, lets try |
| 03:49.10 | Wyzard | cougar`: But maintaining them by hand is pretty easy, so if the default is no, I'd go with no |
| 03:49.22 | Guerin | teufel: doesn't mean it's good ... in fact, it increases the likelihood it's not. |
| 03:49.26 | Wyzard | cougar`: Worth a shot to see what it's like though |
| 03:49.30 | mwilson | good gods, unstable has a big update tonight |
| 03:49.41 | cougar` | Wyzard : My Dynamic DNS provider is not listed :( |
| 03:49.54 | wishie | mwilson: ive noticed large updates in the last 2-3 days |
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| 03:50.19 | Wyzard | cougar`: hmm... I thought no-ip was supported, since a bunch of others are |
| 03:50.24 | mwilson | wishie: Excluding X, of course... I've got XFree on hold right now. |
| 03:50.27 | simonrvn | a lot of c++ stuff coming in. nothing for the kde people though i think |
| 03:50.30 | cougar` | Wyzard : Yeah, I'm doin' it to let you know what deal is.... It asked me if I wanted to run ipupdate as a daemon, chose yes which was default, now it's asking me to choose Dynamic DNS provider which no-ip is not listed :( |
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| 03:50.44 | cougar` | :-( |
| 03:50.45 | Atula | I was wondering, to ssh to a host on a different port, how do I do it? I tried "ssh name@hostname:portnum" and that didn't work |
| 03:50.51 | Wyzard | cougar`: Well, "apt-cache search no-ip" turns up a package called simply "no-ip"... give that a try |
| 03:50.55 | maher | Atula: man ssh |
| 03:50.59 | Wyzard | mwilson: Sadly, still no 2.6.12 package |
| 03:51.01 | simonrvn | mwilson: you know i wasn't speaking of you. trollbaiter ;p |
| 03:51.03 | mwilson | Atula: And of course actually looking at the man page is something you'd never do. |
| 03:51.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why sadly? |
| 03:51.10 | reamtS | what is that package name which can view pictures underconsole if bootsplash is installed? |
| 03:51.16 | TwistedEmotions | I just installed xorg... dumb question... but what should I expect to change? |
| 03:51.18 | Ipsooo | how come theres no /dev/hdx nor /dev/sda created during sarge install? i looked in a term and i cant see the devs |
| 03:51.18 | TwistedEmotions | brb |
| 03:51.23 | wishie | mwilson: im using Xorg, and nvidia. everything is fine. |
| 03:51.24 | Ipsooo | where are they then? |
| 03:51.27 | dbernar1 | damn, why cant I ever figure out how to use any of those dynDNS type sites? I created an account, and dont know how to set up a domain name...anyhow... |
| 03:51.28 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: nothing |
| 03:51.31 | TwistedEmotions | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8589349/ |
| 03:51.37 | Wyzard | mwilson: because I'd like to run 2.6.12, mostly because of udev |
| 03:51.39 | TwistedEmotions | ^^read it |
| 03:51.42 | Guerin | reamtS: fbi |
| 03:51.45 | mwilson | wishie: Maybe after -4, I'll allow it to install. |
| 03:51.56 | wishie | heh |
| 03:51.56 | reamtS | Guerin: that's the one, thx man |
| 03:52.07 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: kk... xorg is just the program that runs the gui... or basically it IS the gui right? |
| 03:52.09 | Wyzard | mwilson: and I'd rather not use the kernel.org sources since I'd want to use the Debian sources when they're available, so it would just be an extra unnecessary reboot |
| 03:52.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why in the world do you care about udev? d'Itri certainly isn't to be trusted after this latest debacle. |
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| 03:52.19 | wishie | ive had not problems with Xorg at all. merging to it was easy, seamless, and worked perfectly. |
| 03:52.38 | maher | pssst.... wanna have sex with livestock? go to Jackson's farm in seattle... |
| 03:52.40 | wishie | Wyzard: why dont you like the kernel.org sources ? |
| 03:52.43 | nevyn | now if only abi transitions could be as painless... |
| 03:52.43 | rixth | Are they any decent font repositories for Linux? |
| 03:52.43 | TwistedEmotions | brb... gonna restarts. |
| 03:52.49 | Wyzard | mwilson: Because I use udev, and I like udev, and some software I use (such as GNOME) depends on it |
| 03:52.59 | Atula | in the man page of ssh, there are a few options regarding port.... I'm looking at option "-D port" ... does it mean that I use "ssh -D portnum name@hotst? |
| 03:53.02 | rixth | Installing TrueType fonts is a bitch |
| 03:53.13 | maher | Atula: i think its -p |
| 03:53.17 | Guerin | rixth: since linux can use any windows font, any font repo will do |
| 03:53.18 | nevyn | rixth: how so? |
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| 03:53.22 | mwilson | What part of Gnome is so broken as to *require* udev? |
| 03:53.23 | Guerin | rixth: bah, it's not that bad |
| 03:53.34 | Guerin | mwilson: g-v-m and hal, i think |
| 03:53.41 | Wyzard | wishie: not worth it... once the Debian package becomes available, I'd want to compile that one instead. so using kernel.org for now would just be an unnecessary reboot |
| 03:53.43 | wishie | it works, why change it. |
| 03:53.57 | rixth | There WAS a KDE tool, I can't remember what it is called though. Hacing to biuyld the .scale and .alias files etc |
| 03:54.01 | mwilson | Guerin: HAL doesn't. |
| 03:54.08 | wishie | Wyzard: ive never bothered with debian kernel's or their source. kernel.org ones work perfectly for me. |
| 03:54.11 | Wyzard | mwilson: hal depends on it, and gnome-volume-manager depends on hal |
| 03:54.15 | mwilson | Guerin: g-v-m is crap, of course, so why bother. |
| 03:54.26 | Guerin | mwilson: i tend to agree |
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| 03:54.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: libhal0 does not depend on udev. |
| 03:54.53 | dbernar1 | Wyzard: is any configuration needed for the ez-ipupdate package to hook up with the service I have now actually set up? |
| 03:54.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: You seem to think any software that isn't rock-solid stable and bug-free and meets your needs perfectly is crap |
| 03:55.03 | Wyzard | mwilson: no, hal does |
| 03:55.04 | dec | Hi all - I just upgraded a machine from woody to sarge because i needed a new version of sshd, however it also upgraded my perl from 5.6.x to 5.8.x. I tried adding perl 5.6.x to /etc/apt/preferences with Pin-Priority: 1001, but it still wants to install 5.8.x. How on earth do I tell apt NOT to install anything greater than perl 5.6.x? |
| 03:55.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, I think stuff produced by idiots like d'Itri is crap. |
| 03:55.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: And you think he's an idiot because he introduced some brokenness into unstable? |
| 03:55.59 | maher | mwilson: hal depends on udev but i suspect works reasonably well without it |
| 03:56.12 | Wyzard | dbernar1: Yes, you need a .conf file -- see /usr/share/doc/ez-ipupdate/examples |
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| 03:56.17 | mwilson | No, I think he's an idiot because of his reaction to the bug report. |
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| 03:56.36 | dbernar1 | wyzard, thank you. |
| 03:56.40 | maher | Wyzard: its his attitude to bug reports and testing his own packages before uploading... |
| 03:57.03 | mwilson | Wyzard: There was no way he could have tested that udev disaster before he uploaded it. |
| 03:57.05 | chealer | dec: I doubt downgrading perl 5.8->5.6 would work |
| 03:57.15 | maher | dec: you can probably have both perls installed at the same time |
| 03:57.16 | Guerin | don't be fucking with perl |
| 03:57.19 | wishie | mwilson: what was the disaster ? |
| 03:57.23 | Wyzard | maher: If you mean the bug that the new udev doesn't work with kernels prior to 2.6.12, he was quite aware of that -- it's explicitly stated in the NEWS file |
| 03:57.30 | Guerin | if you break perl, you break debian's package management |
| 03:57.32 | simonrvn | maher: i've had my share (one share too many) with his crappy attitude. fricking elitist... |
| 03:57.58 | Guerin | Wyzard: and since there's no debian 2.6.12 kernel, what was the point in uploading it? |
| 03:58.22 | dec | Guerin - I'm not trying to fuck with it. I just need perl 5.6 installed because 5.8 breaks a piece of software on that box. |
| 03:58.23 | maher | Wyzard: so he noted it was broken and uploaded anyway - great |
| 03:58.27 | simonrvn | oh and the perms he sets as defaults for the /dev files, couldn't be bothered to have them be rational and secure... |
| 03:58.35 | dec | chealer - Why do you doubt that? |
| 03:58.44 | mwilson | Wyzard: Deliberately breaking unstable is not just "introducing some brokenness". He knew, or should have known, that no one could use what he was uploading, and that since what he was uploading woudl upgrade what worked to what didn't, he'd be deliberately breaking people's systems. |
| 03:59.11 | simonrvn | mwilson: irresponsible, IMO |
| 03:59.18 | chealer | dec: Guerin knows better than me. quote "if you break perl, you break debian's package management" |
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| 03:59.22 | cougar` | Wyzard : Installed no-ip instead |
| 03:59.24 | Guerin | well, um, that's what experimental is for |
| 03:59.34 | simonrvn | it wasn't stuck in experimental |
| 03:59.37 | cougar` | Wyzard : WHat would you say to this question: Do you wish to run something at successful update?[N] (y/N) |
| 03:59.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: 2.6.12 is readily available from kernel.org, and anyone running sid ought to know how to obtain and compile it, so it's not that big a deal |
| 03:59.52 | dbernar1 | Wyzard: do yuo kknow if I need to create this file anywhere special, or just make it executable, and run it? |
| 03:59.59 | Wyzard | mwilson: I happen to prefer kernel-source packages, and I happen to be willing to wait, but that's not the udev maintainer's fault |
| 04:00.06 | maher | Wyzard: well let me know which packages you are maintaining so i won't use those either |
| 04:00.29 | Guerin | Wyzard: that would be fine if he'd put it in experimental... |
| 04:00.35 | mwilson | Wyzard: He *could not have tested* it. Yet he uploaded it. Irresponsible. |
| 04:00.36 | wishie | whats the major difference between a kernel.org kernel, and a debian kernel-source one ? |
| 04:00.36 | Wyzard | cougar`: I'd say no... that looks like it's asking whether you want to run some custom script any time your IP changes |
| 04:00.43 | wishie | i dont get what all the fuss is about |
| 04:00.50 | cougar` | Wyzard : Okay |
| 04:00.51 | maher | wishie: lots of debian specific patches |
| 04:00.58 | Wyzard | mwilson: Sure he could... install kernel.org 2.6.12 on his box |
| 04:00.58 | wishie | maher: for example ? |
| 04:01.00 | dec | Guerin - apparently you know more about perl under debian. How can i get 5.6.x installed under sarge? |
| 04:01.09 | maher | wishie: i dunno - dl both and diff them |
| 04:01.27 | maher | dec: the woody perl should install - your old perl should still be there |
| 04:01.30 | Guerin | dec: i don't really know much about it at all. |
| 04:01.35 | wishie | maher: kernel.org ones always work here for me..so *shrug* |
| 04:01.38 | dec | Oh ok. |
| 04:01.49 | dbernar1 | hah, I almost removed a # from a #! thinking it was a comment:) |
| 04:01.55 | dec | maher - ok thanks, I'll go muck around with it. |
| 04:02.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: That is not valid, as you well know. |
| 04:02.23 | Guerin | dec: if i were doing it, i'd get a version from s.d.n and build debian packages with prefix=/usr/local |
| 04:02.31 | simonrvn | DB_: don't, you don't want the shell to see that. the kernel reads the #! |
| 04:02.35 | simonrvn | DB_: sorry |
| 04:02.40 | simonrvn | dbernar1: ^^^ |
| 04:03.02 | maher | dec: i'm lying - perl 5.8 conficts with 5.6 |
| 04:03.09 | dbernar1 | I know, I know, that was the funny part. |
| 04:03.13 | dbernar1 | thanks. |
| 04:03.15 | Guerin | yeah, they occupy the same filesystem space |
| 04:03.19 | simonrvn | dbernar1: :) |
| 04:03.28 | dbernar1 | I think I have it figured out, almost dyndns here... |
| 04:03.28 | Guerin | if the app was written properly, I expect it wouldn't have broken :) |
| 04:03.29 | Wyzard | mwilson: It doesn't seem invalid to me... if it works with kernel.org 2.6.12, it's reasonable to believe it'll probably work on Debian 2.6.12, and there are users of kernel.org 2.6.12 who might want it already |
| 04:03.44 | maher | Wyzard: who can grab it from experimental |
| 04:03.47 | Guerin | Wyzard: let them use experimental! |
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| 04:03.59 | cougar` | Wow, no-ip will check every minute |
| 04:03.59 | Guerin | i can't believe you're arguing this! |
| 04:03.59 | cougar` | Damn! |
| 04:04.09 | mwilson | Wyzard: Except that there *is* no Debian 2.6.12! |
| 04:04.21 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'm arguing that it doesn't make the guy an idiot who should never be trusted to package anything |
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| 04:04.40 | simonrvn | Guerin: yeh really. d'itri fucked up, that simple. should have waited, or stuck it experimental |
| 04:04.41 | maher | Wyzard: its not the only incident... |
| 04:04.48 | sbk | Hi, having some newbie problems programming ppdev. I get a link error "undefined reference to `_IO'" when using an ioctl PPCLAIM |
| 04:05.07 | simonrvn | try their channel, or #c |
| 04:05.08 | wishie | Wyzard: how many people are using 2.6.12 as opposed to those not using 2.6.12 ? surely he should have realised that it would break more systems than it would 'help' |
| 04:05.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: Oh, he's *already* got that rep. |
| 04:05.33 | sbk | simonrvn: ok. What do you mean by "their channel"? |
| 04:05.38 | cougar` | Good night all! |
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| 04:06.48 | Guerin | Wyzard: looked to me as if you were saying 'that was a reasonable thing to do' |
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| 04:07.44 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'm more saying that mwilson doesn't have a right to say that GNOME is broken for depending on udev, and I'm wrong to even want to use udev, because d'Itri made a dumb mistake |
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| 04:08.13 | dmattli | udev rocks |
| 04:08.15 | mwilson | Wyzard: Gnome is a shell. It has no business depending on hardware-specific support. |
| 04:08.18 | wishie | if GNOME depends on udev, isnt that more of a reason to test a package before uploading it ? |
| 04:08.30 | Guerin | i've never used udev, ttbomk |
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| 04:08.41 | maher | Wyzard: mwilson says lots of things - relax |
| 04:08.48 | Guerin | i've heard conflicting reports on how wonderful/craptastic it is |
| 04:08.58 | Guerin | i think i use a static one |
| 04:09.01 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 04:09.05 | Guerin | whatever's default |
| 04:09.09 | wishie | yeah, static. |
| 04:09.16 | wishie | Guerin: lots of stuff in /dev |
| 04:09.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, gnome-volume-manager in particular does necessarily depend on hardware-specific details... your real complaint should be that gnome-desktop-environment (the top-level metapackage) depends on gnome-volume-manager |
| 04:09.27 | wishie | even for hardware you dont have. |
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| 04:09.52 | Guerin | wishie: yeah |
| 04:09.56 | kg4wxw | any high fi audio guys in here? |
| 04:10.06 | Wyzard | mwilson: I *could* uninstall g-v-m and g-d-e and still have the rest of GNOME work just fine |
| 04:10.11 | wishie | Guerin: and it just works :) so why change it :) |
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| 04:10.36 | Wyzard | udev does more than just create and remove stuff in /dev |
| 04:10.38 | dabar | ok, cool, I have dynDNS set up now, thank you. |
| 04:10.50 | nevyn | udev provides persistant naming. |
| 04:10.51 | behrouz | have a serious problem, installed debian uml and booting it from the debian rootfile system (also enabled hostfs) but can run simple application in uml like gedit!!!!! |
| 04:11.01 | abydos | Is E17 in experimental? |
| 04:11.01 | nevyn | well hald and udev and gnome-volume-manager |
| 04:11.07 | Wyzard | behrouz: Install it? |
| 04:11.18 | sbk | What package contains the ioctl (and other system call) manpages? |
| 04:11.32 | Wyzard | maher: You may notice, btw, that I often get into debates with mwilson :-) |
| 04:11.41 | mwilson | nevyn: So could have hotplug or any number of other things. The world doesn't need the "my /dev emptier than yours" d*ck-waving club". |
| 04:11.54 | maher | Wyzard: is that fun? |
| 04:12.01 | Wyzard | maher: sometimes |
| 04:12.07 | `UD | is there a way to test com ports and find out whats attatched to them? i.e. modem, mouse et |
| 04:12.08 | `UD | c |
| 04:12.14 | nevyn | mwilson: hotplug doesn't solve this. |
| 04:12.26 | nevyn | mwilson: not without significant stuffing around |
| 04:12.35 | behrouz | maher: do u have any idea why gedit doesn't run in my uml session? thx |
| 04:12.35 | mwilson | "Oooooh, noooooo... the world's about to end because we consumed an inode for a device entry we don't use!" |
| 04:12.43 | mwilson | "Save us, save us!" |
| 04:12.46 | saboteur | i just created a custom debian-installer cd but when i boot it, i get the following: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 04:12.49 | mwilson | What a fscking joke. |
| 04:12.50 | maher | ls -l /dev | wc -l <-- 1634 |
| 04:12.55 | dec | <Guerin> if the app was written properly, I expect it wouldn't have broken :) <-- very true, however I don't have time to re-write a 10yr old piece of software. |
| 04:12.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: The /dev node maintenance is actually the least interesting of udev's functions, IMO |
| 04:13.06 | nevyn | mwilson: hald and gnome-volume manager name stuff in /media like my usbthumbdrive and my camera different names and mount the right ones in the right places |
| 04:13.17 | wishie | 1673 for me |
| 04:13.18 | nevyn | regardless of the order they're plugged in. |
| 04:13.19 | maher | behrouz: what error |
| 04:13.49 | mwilson | nevyn: The FHS's idea of what goes in /media and what goes in /mnt being one of the more stupid semi-standards to be promoted in the last few years. |
| 04:14.05 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm mostly interested in the fact that it broadcasts hardware changes on dbus, which is essential for stuff like gnome-volume-manager, and I *do* think gnome-volume-manager is a useful app |
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| 04:14.08 | nevyn | mwilson: regardless of that it solves a real problem I have. |
| 04:14.16 | behrouz | maher: i have set up the debian uml, but gedit doesn't run in my uml session, it says gedit command not found! |
| 04:14.18 | dec | ok, maher - you were right, perl 5.6.1 is still installed aswell as 5.8.4 - however, mod_perl is still using 5.8.4 even after I've updated the /usr/local/bin/perl symlink to point to the 5.6 version. (I can tell, because its producing an error which was only introduced to perl in 5.8.1) |
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| 04:14.44 | maher | behrouz: install gedit - apt-get install gedit |
| 04:14.48 | nevyn | mwilson: it puts my camera in a consistant place so that I can script copying all the images off it and clearing it out. |
| 04:15.10 | behrouz | maher: its funny caus apt-get doesn't work either |
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| 04:15.23 | mwilson | I will consider using udev when it stops deliberately emptying out /dev |
| 04:15.28 | ___MandachuvA___ | hi |
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| 04:15.33 | abydos | hrm, I seem to have broken apt |
| 04:15.40 | maher | dec: i dunno - maybe mod_perl is hardwired to look for 5.8 - can you install the old woody mod_perl? |
| 04:15.47 | maher | behrouz: what error |
| 04:15.53 | abydos | I do not wish to upgrade to 2.6.12, but I appear to need to do so to upgrade udev |
| 04:16.07 | abydos | and in order to upgrade hal, I have to upgrade udev |
| 04:16.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: FWIW, your static /dev is still available on /dev/.static/dev -- and as for /dev itself, what's wrong with removing entries for hardware you don't have? |
| 04:16.19 | dec | maher - do you know what is the easiest way to install the old woody mod_perl? I tried installing the old woody perl package using /etc/apt/preferences... but that didn't work. :P |
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| 04:16.28 | abydos | my remaining system upgrades will not work without upgrading hal |
| 04:16.33 | maher | dec: download it and do dpkg -i filename |
| 04:16.42 | behrouz | maher: it says apt-get command not found! (but it works in debian linux and not in the uml session) |
| 04:16.44 | maher | abydos: unstable is being unstable |
| 04:16.53 | dec | maher - but then it will be upgraded when I do an apt-get upgrade... |
| 04:17.11 | mwilson | Wyzard: Because I'm not interested in cleaning up d'Itri's breakage just to make sure common devices continue to exist. |
| 04:17.15 | dec | (sorry, I'm a bit new to debian) |
| 04:17.26 | maher | behrouz: what does echo $PATH say |
| 04:17.35 | maher | dec: put it on hold |
| 04:17.43 | teufel | how do I exit the mysql prompt once I have it open? |
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| 04:17.53 | abydos | maher: noted, it appears there is no 2.6.12 image |
| 04:17.55 | offby1 | teufel: try control-D |
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| 04:18.11 | maher | abydos: put stuff on hold for a bit |
| 04:18.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: Morons every day whine about how this device node or that device node doesn't get recreated by udev. Well gee, why should it have to, in the first place. |
| 04:18.16 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, I don't know if you speak from experience regarding "cleaning up d'Itri's breakage" or if you're just ranting against something you've never actually used, but I've never had any problems with udev failing to create necessary device nodes |
| 04:18.17 | teufel | offby1: thanks |
| 04:18.26 | abydos | maher: not that that's a problem for me |
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| 04:19.05 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, it used to not create the devices used by VMware (which are normally put there by the VMware installer), but now it even creates those too |
| 04:19.14 | Thanatermesis | chroot directory adduser blah <--- this is the correct command for lauch a command in another environment withowt enter ? |
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| 04:19.39 | abydos | So basically the answer to my previous question, about E17 is that it's not packaged, even in experimental, yet? |
| 04:19.52 | behrouz | maher: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin |
| 04:19.57 | mwilson | Wyzard: I see no reason for YAD when it's not necessary. |
| 04:19.57 | maher | Thanatermesis: yes - or you could just do chroot dir and type the commands manually |
| 04:20.07 | maher | abydos: dunno - look in pool on your mirrir |
| 04:20.16 | behrouz | maher: that was echo $path |
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| 04:20.27 | maher | behrouz: what does cat /etc/debian_version say |
| 04:20.49 | mwilson | Wyzard: dbus is just typical Gnome "not-invented-here" crap. |
| 04:20.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: That's reasonable. But I don't use it *for* the /dev maintenance; I use it for the dbus notifications, and because it saves me from having to use ifrename |
| 04:20.56 | Thanatermesis | thanks maher, and no, I need to launch from a script without enter in the chroot for AFTER, enter and have the modifications make'd |
| 04:21.39 | mwilson | That's always Gnome's way... "let's not fix existing mechanisms, let's invent new incompatible ones!" |
| 04:21.46 | behrouz | maher: did u want me to type that in the uml session or my host |
| 04:22.05 | behrouz | maher: in uml session it says no such file or directory |
| 04:22.10 | Wyzard | mwilson: dbus is actually a freedesktop.org thing, based more on KDE's dcop than anything in GNOME, IIRC |
| 04:22.17 | abydos | dang, just 16.7 |
| 04:22.24 | maher | behrouz: where did you get your uml root fs from |
| 04:22.35 | behrouz | from uml debian site |
| 04:22.37 | mwilson | Wyzard: In case you hadn't noticed, who controls Gnome again? |
| 04:22.43 | maher | behrouz: give me a urk |
| 04:22.45 | maher | behrouz: give me a url |
| 04:22.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: And who controls fdo? |
| 04:22.58 | maher | behrouz: hold the urk |
| 04:23.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: Funny, they seem to be the same person. |
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| 04:23.54 | behrouz | maher: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/dl-sf.html called root_fs_slack8.1 |
| 04:23.56 | mwilson | Wyzard: Gnome people don't even inhale unless Havoc allows them to. |
| 04:23.58 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't know the GNOME community's exact rationale behind why they chose to move away from CORBA, so I won't try to represent their position, but from my perspective as a developer reading docs, Bonobo was definitely too heavyweight |
| 04:24.11 | reamtS | how to create the *.cfg picture under bootsplash? |
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| 04:24.32 | Wyzard | mwilson: See, now you're just GNOME-bashing :-P |
| 04:24.43 | mwilson | It's only bashing if it's not true. |
| 04:24.46 | maher | behrouz: you are using a slackware root fs |
| 04:25.02 | abydos | maher: the fact that there are no *official* e17 packages would likely be because e17 is not yet officially *released* |
| 04:25.02 | cnaok | how to obtain the source code for a kernel module ? |
| 04:25.15 | mwilson | I don't even think WauWau has an original thought, other than the ones Havoc tells him to have. |
| 04:25.16 | maher | abydos: e is so 90s anyway |
| 04:25.40 | maher | cnaok: where did you get the module? |
| 04:25.42 | abydos | maher: e17 looks like a giant step into 2007 |
| 04:25.42 | behrouz | maher: i tried some other root file system n have the same problem, |
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| 04:26.20 | maher | behrouz: you need a root file system that has debian on it |
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| 04:26.27 | cnaok | it is a standard USB interface module uhci_hcd. |
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| 04:27.01 | maher | cnaok: if you are using a standard debian kernel that will be in the corresponding kernel-source package |
| 04:27.07 | behrouz | maher: oh, do you know where i can get it from |
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| 04:27.31 | cnaok | maher, the dir? |
| 04:27.31 | Waffles | Now I know that apt is suppose to make this easier, but I'm having a heck of a lot of trouble doing development stuff, are there any automated tasks that would apt the most common developer tools? |
| 04:27.32 | maher | behrouz: no - try google |
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| 04:27.45 | maher | Waffles: install build-esential |
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| 04:27.51 | maher | Waffles: install build-essential |
| 04:27.54 | Waffles | maher: Thanks |
| 04:27.59 | behrouz | sweet thx |
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| 04:28.42 | maher | cnaok: somewhere in drivers/usb |
| 04:31.06 | Waffles | maher: So it basically is just a list, the build-essential? |
| 04:31.10 | aaronlin | Does init 5 start the X Windows system on debian? |
| 04:31.13 | cnaok | maher, thks, referring to your reply to Waffles, is build-essential a package? |
| 04:31.13 | maher | Waffles: yes |
| 04:31.26 | maher | aaronlin: no - 2-5 are the same by default |
| 04:31.38 | aaronlin | maher: How do I boot into KDE? |
| 04:31.43 | maher | cnaok: yes |
| 04:31.51 | maher | aaronlin: install kdm? |
| 04:31.58 | aaronlin | It's installed |
| 04:32.08 | aaronlin | but I still boot up into the konsole |
| 04:32.10 | maher | aaronlin: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 04:32.17 | aaronlin | kk, thanks |
| 04:32.35 | maher | aaronlin: it should do that automotically on boot |
| 04:32.52 | aaronlin | maher: Really? On fedora, I had to use init. |
| 04:32.56 | aaronlin | , |
| 04:33.07 | aaronlin | maher: I noticed on Debian that none of my init commands did really anything. |
| 04:33.34 | mwilson | aaronlin: No, on Fedora you did not have to use init. |
| 04:33.37 | maher | aaronlin: they probably changed the runlevel |
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| 04:33.52 | aaronlin | ? Init changes the runlevel,. doesn't it? |
| 04:33.52 | behrouz | maher: the only wierd thing is, if i have hostfs enabled i should be able to run any program i want!!! |
| 04:34.01 | mwilson | aaronlin: You *used* init because you couldn't bother learning how things actually worked. |
| 04:34.26 | aaronlin | Perhaps I did. Perhaps I thought that was the way it actually worked :). |
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| 04:34.45 | mwilson | aaronlin: Unlikely, since even Fedora has extensive documentation. |
| 04:35.19 | teufel | what does the sub prompt mean you are in under mysql? Like there is the mysql> prompt then I am getting a sub promt from that |
| 04:35.49 | maher | behrouz: well you didn;t say you wanted to use hostfs did you |
| 04:36.05 | jeff_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:36.21 | maher | behrouz: try mounting the hostfs |
| 04:36.32 | Guerin | teufel: ask #mysql |
| 04:36.51 | Guerin | mmm, iced tea |
| 04:36.54 | Guerin | with peach juice |
| 04:37.09 | behrouz | maher: thats what i meant, i mounted the host in uml |
| 04:37.10 | nvz | I'd be happy with a fan right about now |
| 04:37.22 | Guerin | oh, i have a fan too |
| 04:37.27 | nvz | fuckin broke one of the blades off the one I had last night when I was shitfaced |
| 04:37.29 | Guerin | and credence clearwater revival |
| 04:37.34 | Guerin | hyuck |
| 04:37.41 | nvz | now I cant get it to stop hopping around |
| 04:37.47 | Guerin | nvz: gaffer tape |
| 04:37.57 | behrouz | maher: i see that my host is mounted in uml, but i cant run gedit!!! |
| 04:37.58 | Guerin | epoxy would be better, if you have some |
| 04:38.03 | maher | behrouz: paste your mount command |
| 04:38.21 | nvz | there isnt any epoxy or tape putting this fanblade back on.. and I cant get it open anyhow |
| 04:38.21 | Guerin | behrouz: being unable to run gedit sounds like a net benefit to me |
| 04:38.43 | behrouz | maher: mount none /mnt/host -t hostfs |
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| 04:39.02 | Guerin | nvz: still, the engine has potential for many fun projects... |
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| 04:39.50 | maher | behrouz: what does df say inside the uml? |
| 04:39.50 | nvz | I was only out for like 2 and a half hours tonight. On foot mind you, in my hometown. and got questioned by the police from two different towns in less than an hours time |
| 04:39.51 | dec | thanks for your help, all |
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| 04:40.11 | maher | nvz: the police let you wander around? |
| 04:40.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:40.20 | Jj | hello |
| 04:40.21 | nvz | they dont have a choice |
| 04:40.30 | nvz | they keep trying though |
| 04:40.30 | Jj | dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-php4 (--remove) |
| 04:40.45 | Guerin | Jj: put the whole error on a htttpd |
| 04:40.48 | Guerin | s/ttt/tt/ |
| 04:40.51 | Jj | im getting that trying to uninstalll it |
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| 04:41.10 | Guerin | Jj: that error on its own is worthless |
| 04:41.16 | Jj | k |
| 04:41.30 | Jj | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UbXlkP37.html |
| 04:41.34 | behrouz | maher: /dev/ubd/0 199309 44371 144647 24% NEXT LINE none 5898124 3751412 1847104 68% /mnt/hd |
| 04:41.35 | Guerin | hrm, sylpheed-claws-gtk2 is pretty sweet |
| 04:42.06 | Jj | The thing is... this debian instalation is a scp from an old box, so many files that are supposed to symlinks are now copies of files |
| 04:42.19 | Guerin | Jj: apt-get -f install |
| 04:42.30 | nvz | after seeing the 2nd cop my friend and I both humored him with the contents of our pockets, but after hearing the same questions over and over, I gathered my belongings and walked away, and my friend soon followed. I dont know where they get off trying to search and question people without charging them. if we were doing something wrong we wouldnt have stuck around to talk about it. damn rookies |
| 04:42.32 | Guerin | Jj: that'll break shit |
| 04:42.34 | Jj | when something complained i fixed the link and that what ive been doing so far |
| 04:42.41 | Jj | Guerin: I know :-/ |
| 04:43.18 | maher | behrouz: when you do ls / in the uml does it look like your root fs outside the uml? |
| 04:43.38 | Jj | is there any tool that can fix that? |
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| 04:43.56 | Guerin | Jj: what does apt-get -f install; say? |
| 04:44.12 | Jj | http://rafb.net/paste/results/kv70Xg79.html |
| 04:44.19 | Guerin | Jj: not really. tar, if done correctly, can preserve stuff like that. |
| 04:44.38 | Jj | it all worked fine untill i tried to install an aapche module and now apache is broken |
| 04:45.41 | Guerin | Jj: yeah. try strace apt-get install apache; see where it breaks |
| 04:45.44 | mud | i have apache2 running and can view sample page via firefox http://localhost does this mean the page is viewable to the outside world or do i have to config sumthin? |
| 04:45.45 | behrouz | maher: hmm no, but when i go to the folder (in uml) where i mounted my host on uml, it does |
| 04:46.01 | Guerin | it's most likely trying to overwrite a config file or dir or something |
| 04:46.09 | maher | behrouz: you need to mount / on / in the uml |
| 04:46.13 | Guerin | it SHOULD complain more verbosely about it, but doesn't always |
| 04:46.19 | nvz | I hate police, and its obvious the feeling is mutual |
| 04:46.25 | Jj | k, downloading strace :P |
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| 04:46.47 | maher | behrouz: i think you want something like mount -t hostfs none / -o / |
| 04:46.52 | Guerin | bah, i never have trouble from police |
| 04:47.16 | Guerin | your police must be arseholes in leetsdale |
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| 04:47.33 | Jj | Guerin: its giving oout miles of output.... |
| 04:47.53 | Guerin | Jj: it does that. the interesting bit is probably near the end |
| 04:47.58 | nvz | I got harassed by the police when I came back into town to stay, for being the son of a politician, and member of the campaign to elect a new judge, on election day. |
| 04:48.18 | karsten | nvz: Where the hell is this? |
| 04:48.31 | Guerin | nz cops are pretty easy-going, and korean cops tend not to cause trouble for whitey, unless he's doing something ++bad |
| 04:48.43 | Jj | Guerin: ok.. |
| 04:48.43 | Guerin | or some korean is complaining |
| 04:48.52 | Guerin | in which case they can be pretty brutal |
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| 04:49.09 | karsten | nvz: FWIW, my 70-something dad has been questioned by the cops for walking in his chicago suburb. |
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| 04:49.44 | Guerin | still |
| 04:49.49 | Guerin | not THAT much to complain about |
| 04:49.50 | Jj | http://rafb.net/paste/results/mMG2MU78.html |
| 04:49.51 | SJr|Tecra | I know this isn't the best channel to ask but I'm sorta stuck: hat causes SVRFAIL as a DNS Response, when you're not actually local to them. |
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| 04:50.00 | Guerin | at least your cops aren't always on the make for bribes |
| 04:50.08 | Jj | what should i be looking for here? |
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| 04:50.49 | karsten | nvz: You're in PA somewhere? |
| 04:50.54 | nvz | the cops always want to know where the drugs are around here, but they never want to actually ask any important information. its obvious they arent planning on filling out a police report, or they would ask more important questions.. they just want drugs and dont want to pay.. |
| 04:51.05 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: "hat" ? |
| 04:51.07 | nvz | yeah I am a few minutes north of pittsburgh |
| 04:51.16 | Jj | http://rafb.net/paste/results/s02V7O86.html <- this seems more interesting |
| 04:51.18 | SJr|Tecra | hat? |
| 04:51.21 | behrouz | maher: no luck unfortunately |
| 04:51.27 | karsten | nvz: File a citizen's complaint. |
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| 04:51.34 | maher | behrouz: are you in #flood? |
| 04:51.40 | poppyg | l |
| 04:51.49 | SJr|Tecra | karsten: hat? |
| 04:51.53 | Jj | thast right before the first paset |
| 04:51.55 | maher | nvz: you're in PA? you should be happy the police aren't dropping bombs on you... |
| 04:52.00 | behrouz | maher: i am now |
| 04:52.02 | poppyg | maher sounds like a nice name |
| 04:52.02 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: What you wrote, re-read. I suspect a typo. |
| 04:52.11 | SJr|Tecra | sorry |
| 04:52.13 | SJr|Tecra | what? |
| 04:52.31 | nvz | karsten: these hoes dont even want to get me started.. this first cop that was from our town that stopped us.. we pay him his salery in our tax dollars for him to sit at this guys house who happens to be the new constable and bs and drink coffee probably 20 hours a week |
| 04:52.32 | karsten | nvz: Car came tearing up the street. I flagged it down. Residential area, kids, pets, old folks, middlin' lighting (it was dusk). |
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| 04:52.35 | poppyg | you are all sexy i bet |
| 04:52.46 | SJr|Tecra | karsten: "what" |
| 04:53.01 | karsten | Turned out to be an off-duty cop. He chewed me out, I chewed him straight back and called his C.O. in at the department. |
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| 04:53.09 | poppyg | im sorry for all i said to you |
| 04:53.38 | karsten | What's the query you're running? |
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| 04:53.55 | poppyg | agabus what is your real name |
| 04:54.06 | SJr|Tecra | karsten, I'm making an A request |
| 04:54.14 | SJr|Tecra | to another DNS server on my lan |
| 04:54.19 | SJr|Tecra | its only a SPECIFIC A request |
| 04:54.20 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: That's not what I asked you. |
| 04:54.21 | SJr|Tecra | www.bclc.com |
| 04:54.26 | karsten | !tell SJr|Tecra about smart questions. |
| 04:54.34 | poppyg | what is an A request |
| 04:54.34 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: What was the command you're running? |
| 04:54.44 | SJr|Tecra | nslookup |
| 04:54.45 | SJr|Tecra | www.bclc.com |
| 04:54.47 | SJr|Tecra | is the input |
| 04:54.54 | karsten | poppyg: Default 'host' or 'dig' query returns an 'A' record. As opposed to MX or TXT, usually. |
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| 04:55.24 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmmm |
| 04:55.46 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: ...and not typoing the error text also helps. It's "SERVFAIL", FWIW. |
| 04:55.59 | SJr|Tecra | You are correct |
| 04:55.59 | poppyg | thanks karsten |
| 04:56.00 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmm |
| 04:56.06 | SJr|Tecra | From both my DNS servers, dig gives |
| 04:56.13 | SJr|Tecra | ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> @172.27.2.27 -t A www.bclc.com |
| 04:56.13 | SJr|Tecra | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 04:56.13 | SJr|Tecra | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 04:56.14 | `UD | do i need some sort of vnc server on my linux machine to be able to connect to it from a windows machine? remote desktop kinda stuff |
| 04:56.17 | SJr|Tecra | with the IP changed |
| 04:56.22 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Which is why we ask for commands and output, not paraphrases. |
| 04:56.31 | maher | `UD: you can ssh in with putty |
| 04:56.47 | poppyg | who here thinks britney spears is hot |
| 04:56.49 | SJr|Tecra | now nslookup is giving the same error. |
| 04:56.51 | `UD | maher: i was thinking like remote desktop stuff, and control x ? |
| 04:56.57 | SJr|Tecra | So now I have two DNS servers that can't resolve www.bclc.com |
| 04:57.16 | SJr|Tecra | Is it possible my db.root file is out of date? |
| 04:57.17 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: You're running your own BIND? Or another server? |
| 04:57.17 | maher | `UD: there are a bunch of vncerserver programs |
| 04:57.19 | Thanatermesis | apt-file search start-stop-daemon.REAL : Not matches |
| 04:57.20 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Check logs. |
| 04:57.24 | Thanatermesis | how to provide this file ? |
| 04:57.26 | poppyg | :] |
| 04:57.30 | Thanatermesis | in what package? |
| 04:57.32 | SJr|Tecra | karsten I have two bind 9 servers. One is Debian, one is Windows |
| 04:57.47 | poppyg | i have linux |
| 04:57.57 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: OK. Check your logs for errors. |
| 04:57.58 | Guerin | Jj: anything after the error message is probably useless; we need to see what CAUSED the error. Paste some of the stuff above it. |
| 04:58.00 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmmm |
| 04:58.04 | `UD | maher: ahh.. okies, thanks.. any recommendations? tightvnc |
| 04:58.09 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Likely a zonefile config error. |
| 04:58.25 | SJr|Tecra | karsten, just so we are clear, www.bclc.com isn't a localdomain. |
| 04:58.30 | poppyg | i have 3 gerbils |
| 04:58.31 | maher | `UD: vncserver worked for me last time i used it - but tightvnc is meant to be better |
| 04:58.38 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Make sure you've got properly terminated config options ';', that your domains are '.' terminated, and that your sequence is updated. |
| 04:58.44 | `UD | maher: thanks alot... appreciate it |
| 04:58.48 | nvz | britney spears is only hot if you likea any dumb blonde with big tits |
| 04:58.51 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Right. That's why I suspect a config issues. |
| 04:59.03 | Jj | Guerin: I thimk the problem is when it runs "dpkg --configure apache" |
| 04:59.05 | poppyg | karsten are you a girl or boy? |
| 04:59.06 | karsten | nvz: But you repeat yourself. |
| 04:59.15 | karsten | poppyg: What do you want me to be? |
| 04:59.23 | Jj | iF apache 1.3.33-6 versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
| 04:59.26 | poppyg | a girl |
| 04:59.28 | maher | nvz: i think that's the majority of men in the us |
| 04:59.31 | Guerin | Jj: yeah. so you can strace that command and see what it b0rks at. |
| 04:59.32 | nvz | karsten: repeat myself? |
| 04:59.42 | karsten | nvz: repeat yourself. |
| 04:59.44 | Guerin | Jj: usually it'll be because it can't find/overwrite/understand a file |
| 04:59.56 | SJr|Tecra | Yes but my zone files, wouldn't matter. Also I do know the DNS servers are up, and finally named-checkconf on both machines reports know error. karsten |
| 05:00.02 | poppyg | karste are you a girl or boy? |
| 05:00.05 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: http://www.menandmice.com/docs/named_messages.htm |
| 05:00.10 | Jj | Guerin: ok, running :) |
| 05:00.12 | Guerin | poppyg: he's a girl |
| 05:00.28 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, but I'm *your* girl. |
| 05:00.31 | nvz | I've been with enough dumb chics to know its really not worth it. theres plenty of practical reasons to be weary of the company you keep |
| 05:00.32 | Guerin | !aww |
| 05:00.35 | Guerin | damnit |
| 05:00.45 | poppyg | seriousley a girl or boy |
| 05:00.46 | karsten | Guerin: Um. Case mismatch ;-) |
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| 05:00.53 | Guerin | poppyg: yes. |
| 05:00.56 | karsten | poppyg: Only humorously. |
| 05:01.08 | nichos | is there anyway to hide the toolbar in fluxbox? I'm using a panel andhave no need to have the fb panel |
| 05:01.14 | poppyg | is karsten a girl? |
| 05:01.18 | Guerin | nichos: use openbox :) |
| 05:01.26 | Guerin | poppyg: i told you, he's a girl. |
| 05:01.38 | nichos | Guerin whats the difference? do i still get tabbed windows? |
| 05:01.48 | karsten | poppyg: Guerin Speaks the truth. |
| 05:01.48 | poppyg | guerin is heshe hot |
| 05:01.56 | nichos | not if its a heshe! |
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| 05:02.01 | Guerin | nichos: if you start it with startfluxbox, you can edit that script and comment out the line which starts the panel |
| 05:02.08 | Guerin | poppyg: sure. |
| 05:02.18 | marcel | man fbset |
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| 05:02.32 | drsews | tabbed windows ? use screen |
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| 05:02.34 | poppyg | guerin are you a girl or boy? |
| 05:02.38 | Guerin | poppyg: yes. |
| 05:02.48 | Guerin | well, actually, no. |
| 05:02.52 | Guerin | i'm a man or a woman. |
| 05:02.59 | poppyg | guerin so you are a she he |
| 05:03.11 | Jj | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46K Jul 16 17:52 strace.out :P!! |
| 05:03.18 | Guerin | Jj: heh :) |
| 05:03.50 | poppyg | i will be right back i have to piss |
| 05:04.04 | nvz | bring home a dumb or crazy chic and before you know it the bitch is standing around bitching about something so mundane and telling you to get the fuck out of _your_ house. you can't throw her out if she's got no place to go, she'll sue you for abandoning her. Same thing with picking a girl up.. you better know the kind of girl that gets in your car.. find out too late shes stupid or crazy, you cant just make her get out.. she'll sue you. |
| 05:04.04 | exobyte | Guerin: so, uh, you're what now? |
| 05:04.06 | poppyg | im back |
| 05:04.08 | karsten | s/have to/am/ |
| 05:04.33 | Guerin | nvz: you have issues, d00d. |
| 05:04.58 | poppyg | karsten i am a boy |
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| 05:04.59 | nvz | Guerin: I'm fine I am careful who I associate with. |
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| 05:05.10 | Guerin | nvz: not careful enough, by the sounds |
| 05:05.25 | Guerin | poppyg: that explains a lot. When do you finish middle school? |
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| 05:05.49 | poppyg | im a senior |
| 05:05.50 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: You got your BIND issue sorted yet? |
| 05:05.53 | nvz | I've watched my cousin mmove in with girls and ruin their lives then not go away, and after being with someone and them putting up with your shit so long, they can actually use the law against you |
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| 05:05.59 | Guerin | poppyg: oh, so nexxt year, then |
| 05:05.59 | Jj | write(2, "Errors were encountered while pr"..., 42Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 05:06.03 | simonrvn | poppyg: senior what? |
| 05:06.04 | Guerin | if you don't get held back |
| 05:06.19 | poppyg | high school |
| 05:06.25 | nvz | its not just girls, guys can do it too.. even your friends can get you into a lot of trouble if they are morons |
| 05:06.38 | simonrvn | oh. my first thought was senior citizen =) |
| 05:06.42 | rob_lt | Hi. I'm a bit confused here. I think power management may be the culprit that is locking up the mouse on my thinkpad when the machine tries to hibernate/suspend. |
| 05:06.44 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:06.54 | nvz | I got friends that arent the brightest.. I got some 19yo friends that ask me to go to concerts with them, and I cant do it.. because I will end up in jail |
| 05:07.08 | nvz | cause they are stupid. |
| 05:07.09 | poppyg | im 18 years old mutha fucka |
| 05:07.12 | maher | yeah - one of my friends cut my leg off with a chainsaw - that sucked |
| 05:07.12 | Guerin | rob_lt: likely. I had issues with acpi and usb on my mum's stinkpad |
| 05:07.32 | simonrvn | poppyg: welcome to my /ignore list |
| 05:07.39 | exobyte | If I use pon to connect to the internet, how can I get a connection speed? |
| 05:07.40 | poppyg | guerin is sexy |
| 05:07.45 | rob_lt | Guerin: never heard it refered to as a stinkpad :) Thanks though, I'll try disabling acpi. |
| 05:07.50 | simonrvn | don't call mne mutha fucka when you don't know me |
| 05:07.56 | rob_lt | can't someone kick poppyg? |
| 05:08.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: at least you have a mother :) |
| 05:08.06 | Jj | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HAlUGX43.html |
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| 05:08.12 | nvz | You just got to be careful the company you keep and always remember where you are at. |
| 05:08.16 | poppyg | fuck you rob |
| 05:08.25 | Jj | there are many files that it doesnt seem to find but it goes on... |
| 05:08.29 | rob_lt | poppyg: not tonight poppyg, I'm tired |
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| 05:08.47 | karsten | maher: Sounds more like it spewed all over the place, but yeah. |
| 05:08.51 | simonrvn | rob_lt: i would if i could |
| 05:08.53 | poppyg | please rob im so lonley |
| 05:08.59 | Jj | files that have nothing to do tih apache, but dpkg |
| 05:09.00 | wwallace | hoi just added a new hdd to mi box but fstab cant see it |
| 05:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper |
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| 05:09.09 | karsten | poppyg: Please grow up and rejoin the channel in a decade. |
| 05:09.10 | wwallace | how do i activate this hd |
| 05:09.11 | wwallace | ? |
| 05:09.16 | karsten | !ops poppyg troll. |
| 05:09.17 | rob_lt | !test |
| 05:09.18 | simonrvn | wwallace: you need to *add* it to fstab. it's not automatic |
| 05:09.27 | rob_lt | I think dpkg is dead |
| 05:09.28 | wwallace | its not? |
| 05:09.31 | poppyg | fuck off karsten |
| 05:09.34 | karsten | rob_lt: Point |
| 05:09.36 | simonrvn | @ops poppyg trolling |
| 05:09.36 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: poppyg trolling |
| 05:09.38 | wwallace | hmm |
| 05:09.51 | Guerin | Jj: awesome. run sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst and paste the output up. |
| 05:09.51 | karsten | @win ravenbird |
| 05:09.52 | ravenbird | Congratulations, ravenbird! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 05:10.06 | nvz | I could have been arrested twice tonight and i didnt do shit.. but I was with a good friend who wasnt an idiot and he didnt do anything stupid and his story matched mine every time. |
| 05:10.17 | poppyg | i want to fuck rob_it |
| 05:10.26 | maher | nvz: why would you be arrested? |
| 05:10.26 | SJr|Tecra | karsten what debug level should I set it to? |
| 05:10.27 | poppyg | so bad |
| 05:10.28 | simonrvn | nvz: cool. i hate getting arrested |
| 05:10.35 | wwallace | !fuck rob_lt |
| 05:10.36 | Guerin | nvz: you need to go somewhere with nicer cops ... like maybe Pakistan |
| 05:10.44 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Start low. If that doesn't provide useful information, ramp it up. |
| 05:10.49 | *** part/#debian wwallace (~wwallace@pcp09723961pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 05:10.52 | Jj | Guerin: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aCP0x565.html |
| 05:10.52 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Usually 1st or 2nd level provide useful info. |
| 05:10.58 | rob_lt | How do I ignore poppyg, I'm not sure the syntax? /ignore poppyg? |
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| 05:11.07 | nvz | maher: there are many of ways either of those encounters could have gotten me arrested if I was with a fool.. he could have had something on him, or acted a fool |
| 05:11.09 | simonrvn | ignore poppyg all |
| 05:11.12 | SJr|Tecra | Hmmmm karsten hmmmmm I dunno I'm finding the debugging at 3, useless. |
| 05:11.16 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: You might want to check your startup messages also. Stop bind. tail -40f /var/log/daemon.log; restart bind. |
| 05:11.21 | poppyg | go screw yourself rob |
| 05:11.25 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Should bitch to you if stuff doesn't smell right. |
| 05:11.25 | Jj | that looks like diff's output |
| 05:11.38 | rob_lt | simonrvn: thanks, done |
| 05:11.40 | chealer | nvz: about "version tracking" in the BTS, it was the right term (more info on d-d-a) |
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| 05:12.09 | simonrvn | rob_lt: often the client will have mechanisms to take care of the hostmask and stuff |
| 05:12.13 | nvz | chealer: ah. |
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| 05:12.33 | nvz | I've never been arrested.. but I've been fucked with by the police all my life |
| 05:12.46 | nvz | I just know how to play along and I've been a good sport about it |
| 05:12.49 | poppyg | im sorry everyone |
| 05:12.51 | simonrvn | i have. every time at demos ;) |
| 05:12.59 | karsten | simonrvn: Heh. |
| 05:13.27 | Guerin | Jj: bah, that's the only output? |
| 05:13.28 | simonrvn | 8 times now? |
| 05:13.34 | Jj | Guerin: yeah :-( |
| 05:13.39 | Guerin | Jj: the script shouldn't just exec itself, that's fucked |
| 05:13.46 | poppyg | i want to see some boobs |
| 05:14.02 | Wyzard | poppyg: Then go somewhere else. IRC is text-only. |
| 05:14.28 | poppyg | what has pictures wyzard |
| 05:14.36 | Wyzard | poppyg: The web |
| 05:14.44 | Jj | it does something agfter the last line... cause it "thinks" |
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| 05:14.54 | rob_lt | I've got "poppyg added to ignore list." after I did an "/ignore poppyg all" but I still see her text. |
| 05:14.56 | poppyg | fuck the web were else |
| 05:15.11 | Wyzard | poppyg: #debian isn't really an appropriate place to ask how to find porn |
| 05:15.29 | simonrvn | rob_lt: what client? |
| 05:15.36 | Jj | Guerin: i ran it without sh -x and it gave no output |
| 05:15.38 | rob_lt | simonrvn: xchat |
| 05:15.39 | maher | rob_lt: ignore all poppyg!*@* |
| 05:15.49 | simonrvn | rob_lt: right click on nick, set the ignore |
| 05:15.51 | poppyg | rob you mean he bitch |
| 05:15.55 | maher | rob_lt: right click on the user name in the window |
| 05:16.14 | poppyg | maher is perverted |
| 05:16.17 | rob_lt | ok, thanks... I've never bothered to ignore someone before, but this chick is just pissing me off :) |
| 05:16.34 | poppyg | fuck you rob |
| 05:17.36 | poppyg | i have a cadillac escalade to shove up you big fat ass |
| 05:17.58 | Wyzard | poppyg: You're sounding immature, not macho, you know |
| 05:18.06 | karsten | Wyzard: /ignore it. |
| 05:18.18 | karsten | Wyzard: ops have been paged, they're on siesta.... |
| 05:18.22 | Wyzard | karsten: I'm not planning on starting a debate, don't worry |
| 05:18.38 | simonrvn | "don't feed the trolls, they stink (TM)" |
| 05:18.40 | karsten | Wyzard: Don't worry. Be happy... |
| 05:18.52 | poppyg | i 121212121212121212 have sex |
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| 05:18.57 | Guerin | Jj: -x shows each line as it runs. |
| 05:19.06 | Guerin | Jj: try running apt-get install apache again |
| 05:19.10 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:19.17 | rob_lt | brb, I'm going to go for a reboot with acpi disabled. |
| 05:19.18 | Guerin | Jj: first, echo $? |
| 05:19.20 | *** part/#debian rob_lt (~rob_lt@207.161.62.149) |
| 05:19.22 | poppyg | tenthirteen are you a girl or boy |
| 05:19.34 | Wyzard | karsten: As a rule, though, I don't use /ignore -- why clutter up an ignore list with people not even worth remembering, probably never to be seen again? :-) |
| 05:19.36 | Guerin | Jj: see what the exit status was on that postinst script |
| 05:19.42 | at0m | -ignore poppyg -time 300 |
| 05:19.49 | Guerin | i don't ignore people |
| 05:19.52 | Guerin | i make them ignore me |
| 05:19.54 | Jj | Guerin: isnt it $? |
| 05:19.58 | Jj | duh |
| 05:20.03 | Guerin | Jj: that's what i said |
| 05:20.05 | Jj | its 0 |
| 05:20.10 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:20.11 | Jj | heh, yeah :P |
| 05:20.12 | karsten | Wyzard: Well, those lists are made for cluttering, as old Nancy S. used to sing... |
| 05:20.13 | Wyzard | at0m: You can write lines that begin with '/' by using "/say" |
| 05:20.24 | Guerin | so it succeeded; try installing it again |
| 05:20.25 | at0m | i just forgot my initial / eh :> |
| 05:20.32 | poppyg | i love porn |
| 05:20.32 | Wyzard | at0m: (or in some clients, just write a double slash, which is a shorthand) |
| 05:20.36 | karsten | ;-) |
| 05:20.42 | simonrvn | yeh like '/ /' |
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| 05:20.58 | Jj | meh, same deal |
| 05:21.02 | at0m | ye i know, shouldnt have put a dash there, made a typo |
| 05:21.03 | Jj | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 05:21.07 | at0m | y'all can go on now eh |
| 05:21.14 | Wyzard | simonrvn: no, "//" at the start of a line is an alias for "/say" in some clients |
| 05:21.20 | karsten | Jj: 'bash -x <script>' |
| 05:21.21 | poppyg | how old is tenthirteen |
| 05:21.24 | simonrvn | in irssi i had to do / / |
| 05:21.32 | nvz | / test |
| 05:21.33 | Jj | karsten: huh? |
| 05:21.38 | nvz | yeah the // doesnt work in irssi |
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| 05:21.52 | at0m | irssi does / / |
| 05:22.03 | karsten | Jj: run bash on the script. '-x' shows what's being executed. |
| 05:22.10 | Jj | karsten: ah |
| 05:22.13 | poppyg | lordlander are you a girl or boy |
| 05:22.16 | simonrvn | i should see what's up with it. i'm getting fed up with an x-based irc client... and i won't run bitchx |
| 05:22.17 | nvz | it gives "-!- Irssi: Ambiguous command: not |
| 05:22.20 | poppyg | safety |
| 05:22.21 | nvz | when using // |
| 05:22.30 | behrouz | here we go, i have the debian uml set up in sarge, BUT gedit doesn't run in uml, WHAT SHOULD I DO |
| 05:22.30 | poppyg | / |
| 05:22.37 | karsten | Jj: similar to 'set -v'. Usefull for debugging scripts. |
| 05:22.37 | at0m | nvz, put a space in between |
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| 05:22.44 | simonrvn | use another editor ? ;p |
| 05:22.50 | nvz | at0m: I KNOW! FFS! |
| 05:22.52 | karsten | @tell behrouz about doesn't work |
| 05:22.53 | Wyzard | behrouz: You've repeated that question several times, but I don't think I've seen you say what happens when you try to run it |
| 05:22.58 | karsten | behrouz: How doesn't it work? |
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| 05:23.23 | karsten | behrouz: I'm going to guess that you don't have an X display configured w/in UML? |
| 05:23.24 | nvz | I am not trying to write a fucking slash I am participating in the conversation you are apperently ignoring |
| 05:23.28 | behrouz | karsten: i never said it doesn't work |
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| 05:23.47 | Wyzard | behrouz: Well, you said it "doesn't run", which is pretty close |
| 05:24.00 | karsten | behrouz: Don't be a _complete_ idiot, please. |
| 05:24.04 | behrouz | when i type gedit in the debian uml , tells me the command doesn't exist! |
| 05:24.05 | jm_ | nvz: how was the work today? :) |
| 05:24.08 | Jj | what should i do to completly remove all my apache stuff? so i could do a clean reinstall? |
| 05:24.12 | nvz | hah |
| 05:24.13 | Wyzard | behrouz: OK, so gedit isn't installed |
| 05:24.17 | behrouz | lol |
| 05:24.18 | poppyg | im here listening |
| 05:24.19 | Wyzard | behrouz: apt-get install gedit |
| 05:24.20 | karsten | behrouz: Well then. Install it or check your path. |
| 05:24.42 | poppyg | is tenthirteen in |
| 05:24.42 | karsten | Jj: man aptitude. See 'purge'. |
| 05:24.57 | behrouz | this is the tricky part though, apt-get doesn't work either(command not found error) |
| 05:25.12 | Wyzard | behrouz: Then you don't have Debian properly installed in your UML |
| 05:25.14 | nvz | jm_: I was too shitfaced to be around the corporate president and vice president that were going to be there today |
| 05:25.18 | karsten | behrouz: What UML image are you using? |
| 05:25.27 | behrouz | i have uml installed in debian |
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| 05:25.28 | jm_ | nvz: hehe |
| 05:25.29 | karsten | Wyzard: ... or he's using a non-Debian UML image. |
| 05:25.31 | Jj | --purge :P |
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| 05:25.39 | Wyzard | karsten: Same thing :-) |
| 05:25.50 | karsten | behrouz: UML is a tool that lets you run an arbitrary Linux instance. |
| 05:25.55 | Wyzard | behrouz: Doesn't matter what distro you have it installed in; what distro is installed *in it* ? |
| 05:25.58 | poppyg | ignore karsten |
| 05:26.00 | karsten | behrouz: That instance need have nothing to do with your base install. |
| 05:26.14 | nvz | jm_: I was still drunk as hell until about 8pm this evening when I was able to eat solid food again and burp without needing a bucket handy |
| 05:26.20 | behrouz | karsten: i have mounted my host in my uml, so all the programs should be in uml but they don't run!!! |
| 05:26.25 | karsten | behrouz: Where'd you get the image you're running *within* UML? |
| 05:26.29 | maher | behrouz: paste the line you use to start the uml |
| 05:26.31 | poppyg | fuck this place |
| 05:26.38 | karsten | behrouz: That won't work right. |
| 05:26.41 | nvz | from now on we arent having a party without a cookout and we arent playing cards unless I know the rules ahead of time |
| 05:26.43 | Jj | UGH!! dpkg: error processing apache (--purge): |
| 05:26.45 | ubuntudriftfast1 | i have ubuntu, will someone tell me how to pronounce it? Also since its debian based I imagine this irc will be alot of help. Right? |
| 05:26.46 | karsten | behrouz: What's your UML invocation? |
| 05:26.51 | Jj | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 05:26.53 | Wyzard | ubuntudriftfast1: #ubuntu |
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| 05:27.04 | karsten | behrouz: ...and please go spend a couple hours reading UML docs so you've got an idea of what you should do. |
| 05:27.16 | behrouz | i start it like this |
| 05:27.24 | karsten | Jj: Run 'bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postrm |
| 05:27.29 | behrouz | ./linux root_fs_slack8.1 mem=128M |
| 05:27.36 | ubuntudriftfast1 | why is wyzard red? |
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| 05:27.47 | maher | behrouz: YOU ARE RUNNING THE SLACKWARE UML IMAGE |
| 05:27.48 | simonrvn | ubuntudriftfast1: wrong. different distro. #ubuntu would be better |
| 05:27.48 | karsten | behrouz: Well then. You're running slackware in UML. |
| 05:27.49 | Jj | http://rafb.net/paste/results/2iU8HT28.html |
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| 05:28.05 | karsten | @tell behrouz about slackware |
| 05:28.08 | Wyzard | ubuntudriftfast1: If my name shows up in a different color, it's because I said *your* name, so your IRC client highlights it so you notice |
| 05:28.20 | Jj | what does the "pi" means on dpkg's output? |
| 05:28.24 | karsten | behrouz: If you want to run a Debian UML, do a chroot Debian install in a subdirectory or image file, and use that w/in UML. |
| 05:28.25 | ubuntudriftfast1 | thanks man, this is the first time ever on linux so bare with me |
| 05:28.26 | Jj | pi apache 1.3.33-6 versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
| 05:28.40 | Wyzard | ubuntudriftfast1: Ubuntu is based on Debian, but is not the same as Debian. (If it was, it wouldn't be a separate distribution.) |
| 05:28.43 | karsten | Jj: The legend is above that. |
| 05:28.44 | SJr|Tecra | karsten I figured out what it was |
| 05:28.46 | Wyzard | ubuntudriftfast1: Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu |
| 05:28.48 | karsten | Jj: Partially installed I think. |
| 05:28.51 | karsten | SJr|Tecra: Share! |
| 05:28.55 | simonrvn | 'bear' |
| 05:29.01 | karsten | @tell ubuntudriftfast1 about ubuntudriftfast1 |
| 05:29.04 | karsten | @tell ubuntudriftfast1 about ubuntu |
| 05:29.06 | TecnoVM64 | hello, i recently installed debian in my second partition and left windows in the first one, so i tried to install in on the mbr, and now win xp is gone from the grub list, how can i add it again? |
| 05:29.06 | ubuntudriftfast1 | yea, it just seemed like noone was there so I checked this out |
| 05:29.07 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:29.09 | karsten | @shoot my fingers. |
| 05:29.09 | SJr|Tecra | karsten the authorative DNS servers are blocking my queries |
| 05:29.15 | simonrvn | unless you really mean 'bare', so you're naked |
| 05:29.26 | Wyzard | ubuntudriftfast1: That's fine, but asking for Ubuntu support here is generally frowned upon |
| 05:29.35 | Wyzard | ubuntudriftfast1: Ubuntu has differences from Debian that we don't keep track of |
| 05:29.35 | ubuntudriftfast1 | cool thanks for the help |
| 05:29.46 | jm_ | nvz: that's the shit with drinking a lot, I am always fucked up for the entire next day |
| 05:29.54 | ubuntudriftfast1 | *wyzard* |
| 05:30.19 | simonrvn | frowned upon? more like um, "why would one distro's channel support another distro?" but i'm nit-picking |
| 05:30.25 | behrouz | @I AM SCREWED BIG TIME |
| 05:30.26 | ravenbird | it is my pleasure to meet you, behrouz |
| 05:30.43 | simonrvn | thanks. i had just run out of nits |
| 05:30.52 | nvz | jm_: well I will still a minor at my friend Casey's 21st birthday, and I drank a whole 5th of imported tequilla myself, and then some.. and I didnt think it was even possible to be as drunk as I was last night |
| 05:31.01 | behrouz | ravenbird: pleasure to meet you as well |
| 05:31.01 | ravenbird | behrouz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 05:31.02 | nvz | and I probably didnt have much more that 12 beers |
| 05:31.18 | nvz | I must get more fucked up on beer, especially when I dont eat |
| 05:31.19 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Well, it's reasonable for a beginner to think #debian an appropriate place to ask for help with Debian-based distributions. Incorrect, but reasonable. |
| 05:31.23 | karsten | nvz: Tequilla *might* bring back some really bad memories, but those brain cells are dead. |
| 05:31.27 | TecnoVM64 | sorry, i dont want to be annoying or something but i have a big trouble :< |
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| 05:31.36 | karsten | @tell TecnoVM64 about ask |
| 05:31.44 | behrouz | @kickin my self in the head, need to have uml working by thursday for a project god damn |
| 05:31.52 | simonrvn | behrouz: do you mind? |
| 05:32.08 | karsten | behrouz: What are you trying to do? |
| 05:32.08 | Wyzard | behrouz: Then read the docs for it, and use a filesystem image that contains Debian, not Slackware |
| 05:32.14 | simonrvn | keep doing that and i'll set the bot to ignore you |
| 05:32.23 | karsten | simonrvn: Please. |
| 05:32.27 | Wyzard | behrouz: or join #slackware and ask how to run gedit in there |
| 05:32.44 | nvz | simonrvn: those blootbots really should have an easy way to get them to ignore people based on a vote or something.. heh |
| 05:32.47 | behrouz | wyzard:ohhhh, r u saying the root file system is slackware or the image? |
| 05:32.51 | karsten | behrouz: ...and why are you using a Slackware image if you're trying to run Debian w/in UML? |
| 05:33.01 | karsten | behrouz: Your UML image is slack. |
| 05:33.03 | nvz | for when the owner isnt looking and they are just being annoying |
| 05:33.04 | simonrvn | nvz: the owner can set the bot to ignore people |
| 05:33.10 | behrouz | i'm not tryin to run debian in uml |
| 05:33.10 | Wyzard | behrouz: Yes... simonrvn yelled that at you five minutes ago |
| 05:33.12 | karsten | behrouz: How old are you and what is your native language? |
| 05:33.15 | behrouz | uml is runing in debian |
| 05:33.51 | simonrvn | yelled? :) THIS IS YELLING ;p |
| 05:33.51 | Wyzard | behrouz: OK, so you're *trying* to run Slackware in the UML |
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| 05:34.12 | karsten | behrouz: If you have problems with UML's configuration in Debian, this is the channel to ask. |
| 05:34.15 | behrouz | wyazard: no no no, i have sarge now i set up uml in there |
| 05:34.18 | Wyzard | behrouz: That's fine, but we can't help you install gedit in it, because you're trying to install gedit on a Slackware system, not a Debian system |
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| 05:34.35 | karsten | behrouz: ... if you're having trouble with the Slackware instance running *within* UML, then you want to ask a Slackware chanel. |
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| 05:34.49 | Wyzard | behrouz: For help with the setup of UML itself, ask here; for help with the Slackware system running inside it, ask in #slackware |
| 05:34.52 | karsten | behrouz: The two systems are wholly independent, other than the fact one's running within the other. |
| 05:34.54 | simonrvn | for the slackware bit it'd be better if you went to #slackware, since they'll have more clue on how to deal with its 'packages' |
| 05:35.20 | Jj | /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache |
| 05:35.24 | Jj | that segfaults |
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| 05:35.43 | karsten | Jj: Um. Likely because apache's misconfigured at this point. Or have you reinstalled it? |
| 05:36.01 | aero | where are my linux manuals fore linux on my system, I am trying to configure exim. Also is there a version of kinks2 with ssl support, and why is mozilla and kde so slow? |
| 05:36.07 | nvz | I only used slackware breifly.. I know its "packages" seem to be ordinary zipped tarballs.. and I dont even know how they are managed, if at all. or if they are source or binary or what. |
| 05:36.09 | Jj | I try removing it and installing it but i still get the same error dufring dplg --configure |
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| 05:36.17 | Jj | i doucnt --purge it either |
| 05:36.20 | karsten | Jj: 'pi' incidentally means "I want this purged but it's currently installed" |
| 05:36.20 | Jj | *couldnt |
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| 05:36.45 | karsten | Jj: 'apachectl testconfig' |
| 05:36.46 | behrouz | but i download the uml image from http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/dl-sf.html, under building from the source section, it never mentioned anything about slackware |
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| 05:37.00 | simonrvn | hmm, just had a connection attempt for sales@... |
| 05:37.02 | Wyzard | behrouz: Do you understand what UML does? |
| 05:37.26 | behrouz | wyzard: have a good idea i suppose |
| 05:37.30 | karsten | behrouz: What do you *WANT* to run within UML? |
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| 05:38.03 | karsten | behrouz: The UML base images are generally based on various Linux distros. That page *DOES* tell you just that. |
| 05:38.05 | Wyzard | behrouz: Generic UML setup instructions don't mention Slackware because UML isn't specific to Slackware; you can run any distro you want in it |
| 05:38.09 | karsten | behrouz: There are a number of bootable root filesystems available for download. They cover most of the major distributions and a number of more specialized, minor ones. |
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| 05:38.14 | karsten | behrouz: ... quoting from it |
| 05:38.17 | behrouz | karsten: shouldn't i be able to run my hosts' programs from uml?!! |
| 05:38.23 | Wyzard | behrouz: NO, you can't |
| 05:38.24 | karsten | behrouz: No. |
| 05:38.31 | karsten | behrouz: Your UML instance is *NOT* your host. |
| 05:38.47 | Wyzard | behrouz: The UML system is a self-contained OS. It can't "see" outside the UML. |
| 05:38.56 | karsten | behrouz: If you did something like run UML as a diskless system, NFS mounting your host's /usr, then yes, you could. But that's a very special case. |
| 05:39.07 | Wyzard | behrouz: As far as the software running UML is concerned, it thinks it's running on a real computer |
| 05:39.17 | deadcat | i can man radeon, is there a way to man nvidia? |
| 05:39.27 | Wyzard | behrouz: It can only run software installed within the UML system |
| 05:39.31 | behrouz | but i mounted my host on uml and i can c all the files ! |
| 05:39.39 | Wyzard | behrouz: Where did you mount it? |
| 05:39.54 | karsten | behrouz: UML is like VMWare or Xen or Qemu. It lets one computer become multiple independent computers, independent of one another. |
| 05:39.58 | karsten | behrouz: No, you didn't. |
| 05:39.59 | behrouz | wyzard: i can mount it anywhere |
| 05:40.01 | karsten | behrouz: How old are you. |
| 05:40.08 | karsten | behrouz: ... and what is your native language? |
| 05:40.10 | behrouz | karsten: dont' blow my little secret |
| 05:40.29 | Wyzard | behrouz: UML or not, having another system's disk mounted and being able to see the files does not mean you can run programs from it |
| 05:40.30 | behrouz | karsten: oh never mind i need sleep |
| 05:41.06 | Wyzard | behrouz: Just go to #slackware and ask them how to install gedit |
| 05:41.31 | karsten | Wyzard: Dunno. I think that's cruel to slack... |
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| 05:41.33 | behrouz | just wanted to get one thing clear, so the image that i've download from http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/dl-sf.html under building the source DOESN'T mention it's a slackware... |
| 05:41.37 | cat | hey people |
| 05:41.39 | Jj | why if after i run /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.preinst the output is 0, dpkg -P says subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 05:41.54 | karsten | behrouz: its name tells you that. |
| 05:41.55 | kasper | anyone got dual head displays working w/ the i810 driver on a lappy? |
| 05:41.58 | karsten | behrouz: You sort of have to know that. |
| 05:42.05 | Wyzard | behrouz: Well, that begs the question, what distribution do you WANT to run within your UML? |
| 05:42.11 | karsten | Jj: Shit happens. |
| 05:42.21 | Wyzard | behrouz: (This question is completely independent of what distrution you're runing the UML on) |
| 05:42.23 | karsten | Wyzard: I've asked him that five times with no response. Lost cause. |
| 05:42.39 | nvz | deadcat: maybe nvidia is a woman |
| 05:42.59 | Jj | :-/ |
| 05:43.20 | lilo | hi all.... any problems with /msg spam? |
| 05:43.37 | behrouz | wyzard: dont know how to answer that questions i'm lost |
| 05:43.43 | behrouz | totally lost |
| 05:43.47 | karsten | lilo: Unfortunately not, it's all in channel ;-) |
| 05:43.54 | lilo | karsten: hmmm? |
| 05:44.04 | lilo | karsten: key for lastlog please? |
| 05:44.04 | Wyzard | behrouz: OK... first of all, do you know what a distribution is? |
| 05:44.08 | karsten | behrouz: You're presumably trying to do something with UML. What exactly is your goal? |
| 05:44.16 | karsten | lilo: Had a few trolls, and more idiots. |
| 05:44.17 | nvz | no /msg spam here |
| 05:44.20 | karsten | lilo: Feels like sunday. |
| 05:44.25 | behrouz | karsten: part of a project |
| 05:44.34 | karsten | lilo: poppyg |
| 05:44.34 | Jj | if i install apache2? |
| 05:45.06 | karsten | Jj: Maybe. I'd sort out the issues you're running into though. |
| 05:45.10 | behrouz | karsten: where can i download a non-slackware image (where i could build the kernel) |
| 05:45.17 | karsten | Jj: Did you ever successfully purge? |
| 05:45.31 | Jj | karsten: nope |
| 05:45.42 | karsten | behrouz: As I've tried to tell you: you can do a chroot install onto a directory or filesystem image, to get a Debian system. |
| 05:45.47 | Jj | dpkg cant purge or configure the package |
| 05:45.47 | lilo | kay....was responding to a complaint about someone messaging people looking for help developing an auction site |
| 05:45.56 | karsten | Jj: Well, that's going to cramp your success no matter what. Dittos with apache2. |
| 05:46.08 | karsten | lilo: Doesn't ring a bell. |
| 05:46.13 | lilo | kay |
| 05:46.16 | Wyzard | behrouz: That UML sourceforge page has some other images available for other distros, in the same list as the Slackware one that you have now |
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| 05:46.23 | Jj | u mean i'll have the same probles with apache2? |
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| 05:46.29 | Wyzard | behrouz: Debian 3.0 (woody) is in that list |
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| 05:46.36 | lilo | yeah, nothing obvious there |
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| 05:46.41 | lilo | I got the impression this was manual |
| 05:46.45 | karsten | behrouz: Read this: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/uses.html |
| 05:46.45 | lilo | okay, I need some sleep 8) |
| 05:46.47 | xsdg | lilo: ::nod:: |
| 05:47.02 | behrouz | k so u guys r saying i should installed a debian distro IN UML |
| 05:47.12 | karsten | behrouz: The Debian-3.0r0 image should be Debian woody. |
| 05:47.21 | karsten | behrouz: If you want to run Debian there, yes. |
| 05:47.24 | Wyzard | behrouz: Well, you can run whatever distribution you want in it, but naturally we suggest Debian since we like Debian |
| 05:47.37 | karsten | behrouz: If you want support with slackware, *IN* *UML*, then ask at #slackware. |
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| 05:48.01 | Jj | karsten: is it safe to install apache2? or will i still have problems :-/? |
| 05:48.01 | xsdg | heh |
| 05:48.03 | simonrvn | hey guys (lilo, xsdg). everything well? |
| 05:48.09 | Wyzard | I think we should drop the "how to get Slackware support" since he wasn't intending to run Slackware anyway |
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| 05:48.10 | simonrvn | it *MUST* be something in either gnome, or xfce4, since the fonts in xfce4 were already a bit fucked |
| 05:48.11 | karsten | Jj: apache2 will conflict with apache. |
| 05:48.16 | Jj | oh |
| 05:48.17 | karsten | Jj: ...meaning you still have to uninstall. |
| 05:48.34 | behrouz | so the image i have is a slackware, where can i download a non-slackware image |
| 05:48.49 | karsten | Jj: 'bash -vx /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postrm |
| 05:48.58 | Jj | rc apache 1.3.33-6 versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
| 05:48.59 | Wyzard | behrouz: I told you a minute ago, the list on http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/dl-sf.html has images for other distros, including Debian |
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| 05:49.02 | Jj | after apt-get remove apache |
| 05:49.06 | karsten | Jj: ... *should* tell you roughly where it's running into problems. |
| 05:49.23 | karsten | Jj: OK. 'apt-get remove --purge apache' |
| 05:49.36 | karsten | Jj: ... you want to fully purge your config files. Note that you'll lose logs too. |
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| 05:49.44 | karsten | Jj: I'd try an apache reinstall at that point. |
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| 05:50.07 | karsten | behrouz: ^^ what I told you. Debian 3.0 image is on that page. |
| 05:50.11 | Jj | its my home box... logs arent really important |
| 05:50.18 | karsten | behrouz: or (and apologies to everyone here) |
| 05:50.28 | Jj | Package apache is not installed, so not removed |
| 05:50.32 | behrouz | karsten: u mean the root file system not the kernel image right? |
| 05:50.39 | Jj | apt thinks its gone :P |
| 05:50.43 | karsten | behrouz: READ THE GOD DAMNED FUCKING DEBIAN INSTALLATION MANUAL FOR ITS CHROOT INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS WITH DEBOOTSTRAP (SECTION C4). |
| 05:50.59 | Wyzard | behrouz: Yes, the root filesystem |
| 05:51.03 | Jj | dpkg sais "rc apache....." |
| 05:51.07 | karsten | What a pathetic waste of a human life.... |
| 05:51.28 | simonrvn | whoah |
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| 05:52.08 | ke6isf | !u |
| 05:52.14 | karsten | behrouz: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/UserModeLinux-HOWTO.html |
| 05:52.19 | behrouz | wyzard: omg, there r two things two the uml, root file system and the uml patch, i thought u guys meant the uml patch is a slackware |
| 05:52.22 | karsten | behrouz: Please spend a week or so reading that. |
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| 05:52.47 | Wyzard | behrouz: No, the root filesystem (the contents of a virtual hard drive, essentially) contains a Slackware installation |
| 05:53.00 | simonrvn | behrouz: um, i haven't been keeping track of the convo all that much, but *i* didn't think they were talking about the fricking patch |
| 05:53.09 | Wyzard | behrouz: If you want to run Debian in your UML, you need a root filesystem image that contains a Debian installation |
| 05:53.10 | ke6isf | ...dpkg is off, isn't it? |
| 05:53.20 | peterS | dpkg test |
| 05:53.21 | Guerin | ke6isf: 1 |
| 05:54.00 | karsten | ke6isf: Yes. |
| 05:54.18 | behrouz | all along i thought u guys were talkin about me having a slackware patch!!! alright sorry for the confusion and thanks |
| 05:54.21 | Wyzard | behrouz: If you can load your UML system and even get a shell prompt, you already have a working UML kernel |
| 05:54.38 | Wyzard | behrouz: Now you need a root filesystem image containing the OS that you want to run in it |
| 05:54.40 | Jj | rc apache 1.3.33-6 versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
| 05:54.46 | nvz | the only real way I can gather to waste human life, is to kill. |
| 05:54.46 | behrouz | right right |
| 05:54.49 | Guerin | bah, what's a better way of seeing how much space is free? df doesn't update when you delete shit. |
| 05:54.53 | behrouz | i knew that from before lol |
| 05:55.00 | Jj | what is "rc"? the head of the output doesnt say :-/ |
| 05:55.01 | Wyzard | Guerin: sure it does |
| 05:55.02 | Guerin | not even df --sync |
| 05:55.23 | karsten | Guerin: Yes it does. |
| 05:55.30 | Wyzard | Guerin: Maybe the files you deleted are still held open by some process, so their inodes aren't actually freed yet |
| 05:55.31 | jm_ | Guerin: it does, but apps may have those files still open -- ls /proc/*/fd/*|grep deleted_files |
| 05:55.32 | karsten | Guerin: Unless you've got stale handles open. 'lsof' |
| 05:55.39 | Guerin | Wyzard: no, it doesn't, because i deleted 30G of shit off this drive several days ago, and it's still showing 98% full, while du shows it as unused |
| 05:55.39 | deadcat | Jj: rc == run command |
| 05:55.43 | karsten | Guerin: ^^ jm_ |
| 05:55.56 | Jj | do i have to "run command" on apache? :-/ |
| 05:56.08 | simonrvn | Guerin: di. and even that won't show it if it's being held in memory by something |
| 05:56.10 | jm_ | I suppose the last * is redundant ;) |
| 05:56.15 | karsten | Jj: 'r == removed'. 'c == configured'. |
| 05:56.21 | karsten | Jj: ... and dpkg -l does so tell you. |
| 05:56.23 | simonrvn | di does a sync |
| 05:56.35 | karsten | deadcat: Wrong rc, BTW. 'dpkg -l' output. |
| 05:56.36 | simonrvn | (you can get df to do that too, but not by default) |
| 05:56.37 | Guerin | lsof doesn't show it as in use |
| 05:56.44 | deadcat | karsten: oh. that rc (= |
| 05:56.51 | jm_ | Guerin: then fsck is in order |
| 05:56.51 | karsten | Guerin: You're looking for deleted files. |
| 05:56.58 | Jj | so "rc" means... its gone ? |
| 05:57.15 | karsten | Jj: I told you once. '/lastlog karsten' |
| 05:57.18 | Guerin | karsten: doesn't sho the DIRECTORY IN WHICH THE DELETED FILES WERE as being in use |
| 05:57.20 | simonrvn | Jj: depends which rc you're talking about ;). see above ^^^^ |
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| 05:57.41 | karsten | Guerin: Yes it does. Eg: pattern-s 4117 karsten 2w REG 3,13 720321 1104498 /home/karsten/.procmail/log/procmail.log.1 (deleted) |
| 05:57.53 | Jj | hola rudy :P! |
| 05:58.10 | Jj | apt-get install -s apache2 <- doesnt talk about removing apache :D! |
| 05:58.11 | karsten | Jj: Packages have files and configs. 'r' == files gone. 'c' == configs *NOT* gone. |
| 05:58.18 | Atula | where would one learn to hack, I wonder.... I like to be a hacker.... then I can call myself: the long penis one. |
| 05:58.21 | karsten | Jj: I'm getting a tad tired of repeating myself tonight. |
| 05:58.31 | karsten | @ops Atula troll |
| 05:58.31 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Atula troll |
| 05:58.31 | Jj | karsten: cool |
| 05:58.32 | behrouz | alright i'm leaving thanks guys |
| 05:58.33 | Jj | :-/ |
| 05:58.36 | karsten | Atula: Take it elsewhere. |
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| 05:58.40 | Guerin | karsten: lsof |grep /dir/i/deleted/shit/from; returns nothing |
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| 05:58.49 | karsten | Guerin: lsof | grep delete |
| 05:58.50 | sTone_heAd | Jj, heh |
| 05:58.58 | Atula | karsten: seesh.... take it out on me why don't we |
| 05:59.22 | Guerin | karsten: the dir i'm looking at isn't in there |
| 05:59.22 | jm_ | out on you? no take you out |
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| 05:59.30 | Guerin | some other shit is, but not the one i want |
| 05:59.38 | karsten | Guerin: OK. That would suggest the files aren't deleted but open... |
| 05:59.46 | karsten | Guerin: How big's the other stuff? |
| 06:00.00 | karsten | Guerin: ...and/or an fsck might be in order. Any odd log messages? |
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| 06:00.10 | karsten | Guerin: ... or even, for that matter. |
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| 06:00.34 | nvz | Unless you kill someone, their life cannot be wasted. Wasted would be not used and its really a matter or perspective as to what is to life is for. It also leaves much room for interpretation. |
| 06:01.02 | VoX | how zen |
| 06:01.05 | Guerin | karsten: not really. I have tried remounting the filesystems; same behavior |
| 06:01.12 | Guerin | and i get this on two different boxen |
| 06:01.31 | peterS | nvz: but they might spend their life *getting* wasted |
| 06:01.46 | Wyzard | Guerin: If you unmounted and remounted the filesystem after deleting the files, the problem is definitely not handles left open |
| 06:01.51 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm. |
| 06:01.52 | Guerin | right |
| 06:02.04 | Guerin | so, wtf is df getting this info from, and why is it wrong |
| 06:02.05 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:02.07 | cmihai | If you install Sarge with a 2.4 kernel, would upgrading to 2.6.8 be any different than apt-getting it? |
| 06:02.08 | karsten | Guerin: I know what it is. |
| 06:02.12 | karsten | Guerin: Dark Matter! |
| 06:02.17 | Wyzard | Guerin: Either those files were hardlinked somewhere else in the filesystem so haven't actually been removed, or you need to fsck |
| 06:02.21 | Guerin | $ lsof |grep /data/temp |
| 06:02.21 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.24 | jm_ | Guerin: df is just calling statfs |
| 06:02.36 | Guerin | ok - nothing open in /data/temp |
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| 06:02.59 | Guerin | /dev/hdc1 33641448 32650216 0 100% /data |
| 06:03.05 | karsten | Guerin: Can you umount the FS now? Or is it open by stuff? |
| 06:03.11 | karsten | Guerin: Looks full to me... |
| 06:03.16 | nvz | peterS: so, that doesnt mean thier life is in fact wasted. perhaps to them thats the meaning of life, to die and do it happily |
| 06:03.24 | karsten | Guerin: Um. That's not iso9660 by chance is it? |
| 06:03.28 | Guerin | the filesystem is in use, but I deleted some stuff from /data/temp |
| 06:03.32 | Guerin | nope, ext3 |
| 06:03.32 | cmihai | Guerin: be thankfull it's not 106% full like I've seen it a million times :) |
| 06:03.38 | Guerin | cmihai: heh |
| 06:03.40 | karsten | cmihai: No. apt-get install is fine. |
| 06:03.48 | Wyzard | Guerin: I don't suppose the filesystem is around 600GB in size...? |
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| 06:04.03 | cmihai | karsten: ok, thanks. So there's no problems migrating from 2.4 to 2.6 in sarge. Good. |
| 06:04.04 | Guerin | Wyzard: it's 33641448 in size, as you can see |
| 06:04.07 | karsten | Wyzard: No, closer to 330GB |
| 06:04.12 | Wyzard | hehe, oops |
| 06:04.13 | Guerin | itym 30 |
| 06:04.17 | jm_ | 33G |
| 06:04.22 | peterS | cmihai: well, no problems except that some installations work better on 2.4 kernels than on 2.6 kernels |
| 06:04.26 | karsten | Wyzard: Um. 32. |
| 06:04.28 | peterS | cmihai: (that's why the 2.4 kernels are still supported in sarge) |
| 06:04.43 | karsten | Wyzard: What's 300 GB among friends? ;-) |
| 06:04.46 | Wyzard | karsten: Yeah, I just wasn't paying attention :-) |
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| 06:05.00 | karsten | Wyzard: Well, pay attention, and pay me while you're at it. |
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| 06:05.20 | Wyzard | I was going to suggest that the whole 30GB deleted might have been within ext2/3's 5% "reserved for root", which isn't counted by df |
| 06:05.32 | cnaok | anyone ever use gok, the gnome on-screen keyyoard? |
| 06:05.45 | karsten | Guerin: Um. How much did you delete from that? 30 GB? |
| 06:05.50 | Guerin | no way |
| 06:05.54 | Guerin | maybe 50MB |
| 06:05.57 | Wyzard | oh |
| 06:06.01 | Wyzard | I thought you said 30GB |
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| 06:06.02 | Guerin | just enough to see how much was there |
| 06:06.14 | Wyzard | Were the files that you deleted owned by root, and is this an ext2/3 filesystem? |
| 06:06.25 | jm_ | he said it's ext3 |
| 06:06.37 | Wyzard | sorry again :-) |
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| 06:06.49 | nvz | peterS: some people think less than or less effeciently than others, but people don't think alike. This is proof that they thinking. If they are thinking then they are able to reason their own existance and are living their lives, now wasting them. My opinion of wasted life is living it by to someone elses standard. not just nessicarily being killed. Took me saying that to realize it. |
| 06:07.00 | deadcat | Wyzard: blah. its 11pm here. |
| 06:07.02 | karsten | Guerin: Um 30 GB off a 30 GB drive should show a lot more free space than that... |
| 06:07.06 | nvz | s/now/not/ |
| 06:07.11 | Guerin | Wyzard: not owned by root |
| 06:07.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:07.17 | Guerin | 30MB |
| 06:07.20 | Guerin | a little bit |
| 06:07.29 | Guerin | just enough to show up |
| 06:07.30 | jm_ | who cares about 50M :) |
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| 06:07.44 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:07.45 | peterS | nvz: to reuse your previous argument - what if they *want* to hold themselves to someone else's standard? |
| 06:07.46 | karsten | Guerin: OK. That's less than 1% And you're into your reserve space anyway. |
| 06:07.52 | Guerin | i deleted 30G from a different filesystem |
| 06:07.58 | karsten | Guerin: Look at the used bytes, not the free % |
| 06:07.59 | Guerin | one which is ~45G in size |
| 06:08.07 | SDFH_Linux | is there a version of debian that fits on a usb pen drive? |
| 06:08.24 | Wyzard | Guerin: Do the lsof thing on that other system and you'll probably find that the files are still open |
| 06:08.36 | jm_ | SDFH_Linux: well pretty much any version will fit on 1G USB pen drive |
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| 06:08.39 | karsten | SDFH_Linux: The base image will fit into ~100 MB or less, not sure about specifics of booting it. |
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| 06:09.03 | SDFH_Linux | so booting is a problem then from usb pen drive? |
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| 06:09.12 | jm_ | not if you have a decent system |
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| 06:09.14 | jazzanova | how do I setup devfs ? |
| 06:09.22 | nvz | peterS: that to me is the essence of wasted. Wasted means thoughtlessly or carlessly passed.. If you are living to someone elses standards you have given up on thinking or caring for yourself. you are wasted. |
| 06:09.26 | karsten | SDFH_Linux: I don't believe it is, I haven't messed with it. |
| 06:09.29 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 06:09.36 | Wyzard | jazzanova: devfs is a kernel thing and would have to be compiled into the kernel, but it's deprecated |
| 06:09.38 | karsten | SDFH_Linux: Most USB systems will boot from USB pretty painlessly though. |
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| 06:09.44 | streuner | jazzanova: you have any special reason why you think you need it? |
| 06:09.59 | jazzanova | wyzard: i can't seem to get alsa to work with voice-over-ip, with skype |
| 06:10.09 | Wyzard | jazzanova: devfs has nothing to do with that |
| 06:10.13 | peterS | nvz: so interesting to see you reasoning both that people should have self-determination, and that your idea of self-determination is what should matter to everyone..... |
| 06:10.14 | jazzanova | how do I know if my kernel has it ? |
| 06:10.39 | jazzanova | wyzard: i read that alsa won't work if it is compiled in but not mounted. |
| 06:10.54 | Guerin | bah, du takes a long time |
| 06:10.55 | karsten | bob2: Danke. |
| 06:10.59 | nvz | peterS: nvz's paradox I guess |
| 06:11.03 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 06:11.08 | karsten | Guerin: Indeed. BTW: filelight rocks. |
| 06:11.08 | Wyzard | jazzanova: alsa is not devfs |
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| 06:11.14 | bob2 | ah |
| 06:11.16 | nvz | peterS: welcome to my world |
| 06:11.17 | kamar17 | How about wineX, how it works in Ubuntu? Stable, or not? |
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| 06:11.28 | jazzanova | so should i install udev ? |
| 06:11.30 | Wyzard | kamar17: No idea; ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:11.40 | karsten | @tell kamar17 about ubuntu |
| 06:11.40 | streuner | jazzmans: no |
| 06:11.48 | streuner | jazzanova: no |
| 06:11.48 | Wyzard | jazzanova: You could, but that shouldn't really be necessary either, just to use alsa |
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| 06:12.18 | jazzanova | wyzard: i am adding pcm_slave.xxx { pcm } to my .asoundrc and it tells me it is a syntax error. |
| 06:12.18 | karsten | Feh. Silly bots... |
| 06:12.19 | streuner | jazzanova: if you haven't a real good reason just don't use it. |
| 06:12.24 | Guerin | Wyzard: you were right about the 30GB filesystem, but that still doesn't explain why there's 0 bytes free on the one i just deleted something from |
| 06:12.30 | peterS | nvz: put another way: should people be free to elect a dictator who will take away their freedom? |
| 06:12.34 | Guerin | karsten: it is pretty cool, yeah |
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| 06:12.40 | Guerin | takes forever on this box, though |
| 06:12.43 | nvz | peterS: and I thought my argument is that nobody's idea of should be considered other than your own. |
| 06:13.01 | Wyzard | Guerin: Less than 1% free, not 0 bytes free |
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| 06:13.16 | Guerin | Wyzard: oh, it just counts in %ages? |
| 06:13.32 | Wyzard | jazzanova: FWIW, I've never needed to edit any asoundrc file, and I've been using ALSA for several years |
| 06:13.41 | Guerin | Wyzard: strange how, though it was that .xsession-errors being open that showed the 30G still used, given that i'd remounted the filesystem... |
| 06:13.47 | jm_ | yay filelight is KDE, no thanks |
| 06:13.49 | jazzanova | did you get skype or SIP phone to work ? |
| 06:13.57 | streuner | ahh |
| 06:14.01 | Guerin | jm_: yeah. |
| 06:14.37 | jm_ | Guerin: df -B 1 for bytes |
| 06:14.40 | Wyzard | Guerin: I didn't understand that last statement of yours |
| 06:14.59 | Guerin | jm_: still shows 0 bytes free |
| 06:15.02 | Wyzard | Guerin: .xsession-errors told you how much space you had free? |
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| 06:15.20 | nvz | peterS: to me you dont reach conclusions about your life. just hypothesis that will change with time if its not wasted being to lazy to think and settling for someone elses conclusions. |
| 06:15.26 | jm_ | Guerin: then maybe something is being written to it all the time |
| 06:15.54 | Guerin | Wyzard: well, the 30G space was my old .xsession-erros file, which was ~30G in size. The reason it was shown as used space after I deleted it was because X still had it open. but i'd remounted the filesystem after deleting it, so... |
| 06:16.16 | Guerin | i have a torrent going into it at ~0.2k/sec |
| 06:16.19 | peterS | nvz: some people would argue (if they could bother to do so) that forming their own goals is too consuming of time and energy and it's a better use of their lives to trust someone else to order things |
| 06:16.28 | Guerin | but honetly, i just deleted some shit |
| 06:16.38 | Wyzard | Guerin: That does sound odd, since you can't unmount a filesystem while files on it are still open, and the space should've been freed when it was closed |
| 06:16.48 | humbraro | hey folks, i'm havin a problem with apache2... |
| 06:17.00 | nvz | peterS: such a person would not argue the fact, cause like you say, they wouldnt be bothered to do so. they are wasted.. heh |
| 06:17.04 | Guerin | Wyzard: yeah. just used mount -o remount |
| 06:17.12 | Guerin | no -f, -l, ... |
| 06:17.13 | humbraro | it gives me 401 errors and asks for a username and password |
| 06:17.26 | Guerin | humbraro: configure it to not do so |
| 06:17.31 | humbraro | and I can't figure out where the fuckup is |
| 06:17.45 | Wyzard | Guerin: Oh, that's different... that can be done even with files still open |
| 06:17.47 | peterS | nvz: and yet it's pretty audacious for you to step in and tell them how their lives would be better spent (: |
| 06:17.50 | Guerin | humbraro: you've set auth up, using htaccess or similar |
| 06:18.05 | nvz | peterS: heh |
| 06:18.10 | Guerin | Wyzard: ah, ok. So if i'd really wanted to check, i'd have done umount ; mount |
| 06:18.18 | nvz | peterS: see we are both thinking people. we could go on all night |
| 06:18.21 | humbraro | lemme check real quick for .ht* |
| 06:18.22 | Wyzard | Guerin: right |
| 06:18.23 | jm_ | Guerin: yes |
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| 06:18.41 | Guerin | ah, so a pebcak error on my part |
| 06:18.43 | peterS | nvz: this is true. at least we can flatter ourselves and each other by saying we are both thinking people (: sometimes I'm not so sure, of myself at least |
| 06:18.46 | Guerin | good to know |
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| 06:19.26 | golly | hey all.....is there somewhere i can download a cheat sheet of all the standard command line executables in Debian? |
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| 06:19.44 | cafuego | golly: Yes. |
| 06:19.48 | cafuego | !cheat sheet |
| 06:19.57 | Guerin | no dpkg |
| 06:19.58 | humbraro | don't have any .htaccess files anywhere, can i remove a module or somethin to get rid of it? |
| 06:20.07 | cafuego | ~cheat sheet |
| 06:20.21 | cafuego | http://createtank.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=38 |
| 06:20.22 | Guerin | humbraro: htaccess can be implemented in a Directory directive |
| 06:20.27 | cafuego | There, it's a PDF |
| 06:20.41 | christeen | ive tried setting my new path via /etc/profile and even .bash_profile but when i go into the console echoing the path, the new path i inputted is not reflected?? |
| 06:20.42 | Guerin | humbraro: it's not on by default, so you must have turned it on. GO edit your config |
| 06:20.58 | Guerin | christeen: did you log out and in again, or source the new files? |
| 06:20.58 | nvz | I am getting too tired to philostostize anymore |
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| 06:21.21 | Guerin | ok |
| 06:21.27 | Guerin | cold shower, then into town |
| 06:21.33 | dbernar1_ | philostostizing makes me tired too. |
| 06:21.38 | christeen | nope, but i exit from the console and in again? |
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| 06:21.59 | nvz | I its 2:20am and I spent the last 24 hours being sick.. so thats probably why I am tired. |
| 06:21.59 | humbraro | looking in config... |
| 06:22.02 | Guerin | christeen: not good enough |
| 06:22.07 | peterS | !guerin++ # all about cold showers |
| 06:22.17 | christeen | Guerin: okayz, thanx ill try it |
| 06:22.23 | Guerin | peterS: waaaaaay too fucking hot for any water without ice in it |
| 06:22.28 | peterS | nvz: are you on the mend? |
| 06:22.33 | nvz | I love communicating my thoughts with someone who will let them swril around in their head and give me their point of view.. |
| 06:22.37 | Guerin | peterS: he was drunk |
| 06:22.40 | peterS | Guerin: here too, but most people just don't understand |
| 06:22.47 | nvz | on the mend? |
| 06:22.59 | peterS | nvz: being sick for 24 hours - is that over now? |
| 06:24.03 | nvz | yeah I am feeling better.. my systems are back to normal operation.. food in, shit comes out.. you know 80P |
| 06:24.19 | peterS | nvz: good good |
| 06:24.31 | kamar17 | where can i download it? |
| 06:24.36 | tvn | immunization system |
| 06:24.39 | nvz | think of yourself as a turd factory sometime.. its real uplifting |
| 06:24.51 | kamar17 | pls help me |
| 06:24.53 | cafuego | kamar17: download what? |
| 06:24.58 | humbraro | Guerin: if you wanna take a look at apache2.conf and sites-available/default, i'll post them in #flood |
| 06:25.32 | TinyIRC | ? |
| 06:25.39 | TinyIRC | you konw |
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| 06:28.30 | ValheruLord | hi all. i wanna install and configure grub.. how can i do |
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| 06:30.19 | christeen | i modified my path and java_home in my /etc/profile and logout/login, opened console echoed still my path and java_home is not updated??? |
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| 06:30.49 | ValheruLord | ok grubconf is better than i thought |
| 06:31.33 | ricochet | christeen, didja try 'export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java' (or whereever you installed it |
| 06:31.36 | Wyzard | christeen: Did you install Java using Sun's package thing? |
| 06:33.00 | christeen | i install j2sdk using java's and followed debian's faq ch11.html#s11.2 added java_home and also exported yup yup, b4 this was working but i dunno what is messed up |
| 06:33.32 | Wyzard | hmm |
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| 06:33.46 | Wyzard | When I installed Java using make-jpkg, I never had to edit any paths |
| 06:34.30 | MobyTurbo | if chkrootkit says that "bindshell" on port 1008 is going on, is that probably a false alarm? I've restored my system just in case, but I need to know if I should be worried. |
| 06:34.57 | Wyzard | JAVA_HOME isn't set, but Java stuff runs fine without it |
| 06:35.13 | christeen | my /etc/profile see flood, i didnt use make-jpkg what i followed is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html#s11.2 |
| 06:35.34 | Wyzard | ugh |
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| 06:35.50 | Wyzard | Delete all that, apt-get install java-package (it's in contrib), and run make-jpkg on Sun's .bin file |
| 06:35.52 | christeen | yaiks, did i mess up? :( |
| 06:35.54 | Wyzard | You get a .deb |
| 06:36.07 | Thanatermesis | Im not english speaker... "Finished the limit transfer for this month" this are correct ? |
| 06:36.14 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... sorry for the OT |
| 06:36.26 | ke6isf | Thanatermesis: What are you trying to communicate? |
| 06:36.33 | Wyzard | That advice was probably for woody, which didn't have java-package |
| 06:36.52 | christeen | oic |
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| 06:37.00 | Thanatermesis | ke6isf, I have a mirror for download Elive project, this mirror are finished because the mensual limit |
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| 06:37.28 | Wyzard | I've run Eclipse and Azureus that way, with no additional special configuration needed |
| 06:37.28 | ke6isf | Thanatermesis: In other words, you wish to limit the amount of data a user can download from it and communicate thusly? |
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| 06:37.56 | christeen | Wyzard, so i have to dpkg remove all that stuff |
| 06:38.07 | Wyzard | ke6isf: It's not nice to use a word like "thusly" when talking to someone whose English skills are limited |
| 06:38.15 | Wyzard | :-P |
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| 06:38.22 | kekkeri | ciao a tutti! |
| 06:38.25 | ke6isf | Wyzard: Point. =O.o= |
| 06:38.29 | Thanatermesis | mmh... ke6isf I have received this mail: "Anyway, I only got 100GB transfer per month and I think it now overshot a little :) Not serious but I had to take the vobcopy mirror down. Gonna put it up next month again, ok?" |
| 06:39.03 | ke6isf | Thanatermesis: Try "You have exceeded your download limit for the month." |
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| 06:39.09 | gnd | good morning |
| 06:39.10 | Wyzard | christeen: Get rid of the equivs stuff, yeah |
| 06:39.50 | ke6isf | Thanatermesis: Even better: "The download limit for this month has been reached." |
| 06:39.56 | christeen | Wyzard, sorry but im not quite good at the equivs how do i remove them |
| 06:40.30 | gnd | when kompiling the kernel debian way, it's enough to do make xconfig: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision custom.1.0 kernel_image modules_image: dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.12.2_custom.1.0_i386.deb? |
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| 06:40.39 | Wyzard | christeen: I haven't used it either, but my understanding is that it creates packages which you can uninstall just like any other |
| 06:40.50 | Wyzard | christeen: If you don't know the package names, look in those .control files |
| 06:40.51 | Thanatermesis | thanks ke6isf |
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| 06:41.14 | christeen | oic |
| 06:41.34 | ke6isf | Thanatermesis: You're welcome. |
| 06:42.02 | gnd | or do I have to do anything else? |
| 06:42.17 | Wyzard | gnd: should be all you need |
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| 06:42.52 | Wyzard | gnd: plus any necessary bootloader configuration, but that's the same regardless of whether you use a precompiled kernel or a custom one |
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| 06:43.58 | Coke | Is it possible to break the dependencies by telling the package system that you already provide a package? I have a non-Debian install of Heimdal that I know is compatible with the libpam-heimdal in Debian, is there a way to install libpam-heimdal and not have to install the Debian Heimdal? |
| 06:44.07 | Wyzard | Coke: equivs |
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| 06:44.55 | bob2 | Coke: be very careful it is compatible, tho |
| 06:45.01 | bob2 | or you might not be able to login anymore |
| 06:45.18 | gnd | Wyzard: thanks |
| 06:45.34 | Wyzard | yeah, messing with PAM stuff is risky |
| 06:45.40 | jm_ | you can stack several PAM modules and then end them with pam_deny, so you have drawback login mechanism |
| 06:46.08 | Coke | bob2: that has already happened since Heimdal and MIT doesn't work well together. |
| 06:46.08 | jm_ | you can find example of that in pibpam-opie |
| 06:46.14 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:46.50 | jtza8 | What do I need to check if the root=xxx option to my custom kernel backfires? |
| 06:47.04 | jm_ | backfires? the computer fires a missile at you? |
| 06:47.33 | Thanatermesis | ke6isf, this are good writed? (the second white panel) http://livecd.debianitas.net/download.html |
| 06:47.33 | Wyzard | jtza8: Support for the filesystem and for your IDE (or SCSI, if you use that) controller |
| 06:47.33 | Oldak | Could someone recommend some copyleft software to check if I have the codecs installed to play a video? |
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| 06:48.36 | jtza8 | :) I've checked the filesystem support. I'll check the IDE stuff. |
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| 06:48.59 | lehel | hello |
| 06:49.12 | lehel | howto extract archive.gz ? |
| 06:49.17 | jm_ | Oldak: mplayer will let you know |
| 06:49.30 | bob2 | lehel: gunzip archive.gz |
| 06:49.31 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: "If you'd like to mirror the Elive isos, ..." |
| 06:49.37 | christeen | Wyzard, one last question what directory will debian install j2sdk if i make-jpkg and dpkg install it |
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| 06:49.40 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: And the heading should be "Elive needs more mirrors" |
| 06:49.43 | Oldak | That is only half installed - mplayer seems to play the audiotrack at halfspeed |
| 06:49.46 | lehel | thanks bob2 |
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| 06:50.24 | Wyzard | christeen: /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun (or 1.4, or whatever version you use) |
| 06:50.42 | yoo | Hi everybody ! |
| 06:50.43 | christeen | Wyzard, thanks |
| 06:51.01 | Wyzard | christeen: but you generally don't need to worry about that... it basically Just Works |
| 06:51.13 | Thanatermesis | thanks Wyzard |
| 06:51.19 | Wyzard | christeen: including Mozilla plugins, etc. |
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| 06:51.23 | MobyTurbo | if chkrootkit says that "bindshell" on port 1008 is occuring, is that probably a false alarm? I've restored my system just in case, but I need to know if I should be worried if it happens again. |
| 06:51.34 | christeen | Wyzard, nice |
| 06:52.17 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: Why do you think it's a false alarm? |
| 06:52.36 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: note that I asked that question: I don't know |
| 06:52.47 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: can yo usee the process in the output of "sudo netstat -plnt"? in ps? |
| 06:52.48 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: When I Google for "bindshell", all the results are talking about a rootkit |
| 06:53.09 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: Unless you're intentionall running a service on that port which happens to look a lot like bindshell, it's probably NOT a false alarm |
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| 06:53.26 | jtza8 | I guess ATA shouldn't have been a module in my kernel, or else I would need an initrd. |
| 06:53.34 | jtza8 | right? |
| 06:53.35 | Wyzard | jtza8: hehe, yep |
| 06:53.51 | Wyzard | jtza8: You can run make-kpkg with "--initrd", of course |
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| 06:54.25 | MobyTurbo | bob2: I don't see it anymore, but after all I wiped my system shortly after seeing the alarm in my mail |
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| 06:54.39 | jtza8 | :) |
| 06:54.45 | diskfail | my friends, I am experiencing a disk failure as we speak and need to backup as much of the system as possible and as quickly as possible, it is progressive |
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| 06:55.16 | MobyTurbo | bob2: I didn't know the netstat incantation, else I'd have a better idea of what's going on. (Assuming the rootkit didn't cover its tracks) |
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| 06:55.35 | Wyzard | diskfail: You could use tar, pipe it into netcat to send the output to another host |
| 06:56.11 | Wyzard | diskfail: netcat is the highest-throughput option for bulk data transfer over a TCP connection |
| 06:56.14 | diskfail | Wyzard tar does not work, it gets "stuck" |
| 06:56.26 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: yeah |
| 06:56.33 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: if you can't see it, that would be a bad sign |
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| 06:56.48 | Wyzard | diskfail: Try --ignore-failed-read, but I've never used that myself so I don't know for sure if it'll work |
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| 06:57.44 | Wyzard | diskfail: though if it's hanging rather than aborting, --ignore-failed-read probably won't make a difference |
| 06:58.32 | Wyzard | diskfail: If you have lots of space free somewhere else on the network, you could use dd with conv=sync,noerror to image the entire disk |
| 06:58.59 | Wyzard | diskfail: send that through netcat and at least you'll have a snapshot that isn't failing any further, on which to attempt data recovery |
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| 06:59.15 | jotoso | hi |
| 06:59.32 | jotoso | please, where can I get a disket image for installing Debian? |
| 06:59.42 | MobyTurbo | bob2: what I'm very worried about is that I seem to be targeted, my NetBSD partition got a chkrootkit warning of having an infected login shortly afterwards. |
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| 06:59.44 | jm_ | jotoso: read installation manual |
| 06:59.52 | bob2 | that sounds bad |
| 06:59.54 | Wyzard | jotoso: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 06:59.55 | diskfail | Wyzard ok. I need a couple of minutes -- multiple backups in progress |
| 07:00.23 | Wyzard | diskfail: Have you used netcat before? |
| 07:00.53 | kekkeri | !tell kekkeri about sex |
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| 07:01.10 | jotoso | Wyzard: thx |
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| 07:01.13 | MobyTurbo | kekkeri: /msg the bots |
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| 07:01.21 | Wyzard | kekkeri: the bot is currently not working |
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| 07:01.32 | kekkeri | :D |
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| 07:02.48 | Wyzard | diskfail: The dd method is probably the least likely to cause further disk failure, since it's a big sequential read, no unnecessary seeking around |
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| 07:03.17 | dpkg | !MSG ME :) |
| 07:03.23 | dpkg | !BOT ONLINE |
| 07:03.24 | dpkg | :) |
| 07:03.38 | idnar | !botimpersonatorsmack |
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| 07:04.02 | Wazup | Is there a way from a C program or a perl script (preferably C) to tell if something (not a module) is compiled into the kernel? |
| 07:04.19 | MobyTurbo | bob2: do you have any advice about shaking the cracker? |
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| 07:05.00 | bob2 | start reading your logs carefully |
| 07:05.09 | bob2 | and make sure you're up to date with security fixes |
| 07:05.09 | MobyTurbo | bob2: I can't figure out why I'm important enough for anything but the most automated attacks, I'm on dial-up, and my ISP doesn't allow open SMTP ports for spam botting or the like. |
| 07:05.11 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: Install security updates, disable unnecessary services, maybe run snort |
| 07:05.11 | geggeri | :D |
| 07:05.15 | bob2 | and disable any php shit |
| 07:05.18 | diskfail | it is really strange, applications get stuck --- they do not die, the connection is fine, but the apps -- just get stuck, waiting for something, then resume.. |
| 07:05.19 | bob2 | it's always php shit |
| 07:05.25 | bob2 | aside fro mthat one time it was awstats |
| 07:05.27 | MobyTurbo | bob2: no PHP here. :-) |
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| 07:06.00 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: bob2: I already apt-get update/upgrade daily |
| 07:06.06 | Wyzard | diskfail: But they always resume eventually? No indefinite hangs? |
| 07:06.18 | bob2 | that's very very worrying then |
| 07:06.20 | ircdevil | good morning |
| 07:06.26 | bob2 | who else has root access? (including sudo) |
| 07:06.48 | ircdevil | bob2 - well most in here do |
| 07:07.06 | geggeri | !ping pong |
| 07:07.09 | MobyTurbo | bob2: my system has no other users. |
| 07:07.09 | diskfail | Wyzard so far yes, and only with tar. I cannot backup/work with postgres because disk reads/writes fail |
| 07:08.03 | litage | lspci says "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev a1)" ...which video driver should i select from xf86config? |
| 07:08.09 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: what network services do you have? |
| 07:08.10 | bob2 | litage: nv |
| 07:08.20 | bob2 | litage: or, if you want the binary driver, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 07:08.48 | litage | bob2: dpkg isn't available right now |
| 07:08.50 | MobyTurbo | bob2: only the NFS stuff Debian runs by default. |
| 07:08.58 | bob2 | apt: test |
| 07:08.58 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 07:09.02 | bob2 | litage: try apt |
| 07:09.08 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: wtf |
| 07:09.09 | MobyTurbo | bob2: I always have disabled openssh |
| 07:09.12 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: no ssh? |
| 07:09.13 | bob2 | wow |
| 07:09.20 | ValheruLord | hi all... what does hda1 mean in grub :) i wanna give a grub-install command |
| 07:09.31 | bob2 | hd0,0 iirc |
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| 07:09.49 | Wyzard | ValheruLord: (hd0,0) |
| 07:09.54 | MobyTurbo | bob2: I'm running a desktop, or when I feel grandiouse a workstation |
| 07:10.05 | bob2 | that's kinda scary then |
| 07:10.14 | bean | Does Sarge's bind9 not support multilingual domains? |
| 07:10.21 | Wyzard | diskfail: Step 1, stop postgres and remount the filesystem read-only |
| 07:10.37 | bob2 | bean: don't you just punycode the names in the zone file? |
| 07:10.44 | bean | bob2: doesn't seem to work |
| 07:10.45 | diskfail | Wyzard if I stop it, I may not be able to restart it again |
| 07:10.46 | MobyTurbo | bob2: well, what is scary is that NetBSD got infected too - that suggests that it's more than script kiddies. |
| 07:10.56 | ValheruLord | i wanna also add freebsd kernel image on hda2.. how can i add. grubconf is not helping.. |
| 07:11.12 | Wyzard | diskfail: You won't be restarting it until you've moved the data onto a working disk, anyway |
| 07:11.13 | bob2 | bean: that's weird, I thought they were just normal zone file entries with lots of dashes |
| 07:11.14 | diskfail | Wyzard I'd like to backup at least the schema, which I'm trying to do right now. (pg_dump doesn't quite work) |
| 07:11.24 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: yeah...ware you running anything from outside Debian? |
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| 07:11.43 | MobyTurbo | bob2: nope, everything only from apt-get |
| 07:11.52 | Wyzard | diskfail: Continuing to run it will not help at all, and will quite possibly accelerate the failure |
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| 07:12.01 | bob2 | ~dstats |
| 07:12.07 | jtza8 | ValheruLord, add root (hd0,2,a) or whatever and specify the kernel as /boot/loader |
| 07:12.11 | litage | bob2: what should i do if xf86config asks me to select my video card, but my card isn't listed? (it's a geforce2 mx400) |
| 07:12.18 | MobyTurbo | bob2: well, not counting Java and realplayer... |
| 07:12.26 | bob2 | litage: not run xf86config |
| 07:12.35 | bob2 | litage: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:12.48 | litage | thanks |
| 07:12.57 | litage | bob2: can that be run while X is running? |
| 07:13.01 | ValheruLord | jtza8, ok thanks |
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| 07:13.59 | bob2 | litage: of course |
| 07:14.01 | Wyzard | diskfail: If postmaster keeps the schema in memory (which I don't know about) then you could concievably recover it from the running process even if it's already lost from the disk... but I'm not sure whether that small possibility of a benefit is worth the risk of postgres trying to write more stuff to disk and making the problem worse |
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| 07:14.39 | geggeri | i have problem!!! <3 |
| 07:14.47 | bean | bob2: works now. it wanted the punycoded filename too. hmph. |
| 07:14.47 | geggeri | need backup1 |
| 07:14.50 | geggeri | need backup! |
| 07:14.52 | geggeri | <3 |
| 07:15.11 | geggeri | rxbot, i have complited my exe and botnet scan but not exploit |
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| 07:15.34 | Wyzard | geggeri: You're not making any sense |
| 07:15.40 | christeen | sorry but it seems that my gnome resets current environment to default or something. this is same scenario a while back. if i set new path in /etc/profile, if i echo using gnome console new path doesnt reflect but if i alt-f1 console i get the new path??? |
| 07:16.29 | christeen | is there any file that i could check that resets or something my environment? |
| 07:16.30 | geggeri | Wyzard: me english is BAD <3 :) |
| 07:16.30 | Overand | christeen: check your home directory's write permissions |
| 07:16.39 | Overand | and ownership |
| 07:16.48 | Wyzard | geggeri: #debian-fi |
| 07:17.23 | christeen | home directory is owned by which is current user |
| 07:17.23 | geggeri | naah :) |
| 07:17.38 | NoMhz_ | If your english is bad geggeri you have not got a hope in hell of being helped |
| 07:17.57 | Wyzard | geggeri: You're not going to get much help here if nobody can understand you |
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| 07:18.09 | geggeri | heh heh if cant help give some LOVE <3 :D |
| 07:18.18 | golly | I got a q again..... :) |
| 07:18.43 | Wyzard | geggeri: You're also talking like you're drunk or high |
| 07:18.45 | litage | does a ps/2 mouse use /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice or ..? |
| 07:18.54 | christeen | the reason i just say its gdm is if i use alt-f1 console i get what is inputted in my /etc/profile, but if im using gnome goto console, what is being echoed is /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 07:18.55 | Wyzard | litage: /dev/input/mice in 2.6 |
| 07:19.00 | litage | thanks Wyzard |
| 07:19.13 | concept10 | ¿Cuál es el servidor SMTP/POP3 de mi cuenta en Debian Sarge |
| 07:19.15 | golly | I just did the lshw command and got a print out of all my hardware........I see a network card that is "unclaimed".,,....how do I "claim" it? |
| 07:19.16 | geggeri | :] |
| 07:19.20 | aero | I want to reconfigure mutt to use a different MTA, but I don't seem to have a ~.muttrc file. Where could it be? |
| 07:19.38 | Wyzard | litage: In 2.4, I think /dev/input/mice doesn't support PS/2 mice, but someone else once told me it does |
| 07:19.44 | jm_ | aeddan: uhm create it |
| 07:19.48 | jm_ | aero ^^^^ |
| 07:20.00 | Wyzard | litage: In 2.6, /dev/input/mice handles everything, and /dev/psaux is just for backward compatibility |
| 07:20.25 | aero | jm_, and then mutt will automatically use it? |
| 07:20.28 | geggeri | rullakebab <3 |
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| 07:20.57 | Wyzard | hmm, I think I just found a sort of bug in xchat |
| 07:21.05 | golly | In my output of lshw ....I see a network card that is "unclaimed".,,....how do I "claim" it? |
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| 07:21.17 | jm_ | aero: yes, read mutt docs |
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| 07:21.30 | aero | jm_, ok, thx |
| 07:21.37 | jtza8 | golly, using ifconfig? |
| 07:21.50 | gnd | how do you set a parameter at boot? I need to set root=/dev/hda1 |
| 07:22.00 | golly | jtza8: I tried ifup and ifdown but no avail |
| 07:22.03 | Wazup | jm_: Is there a way from a C program or a perl script (preferably C) to tell if something (not a module) is compiled into the kernel? |
| 07:22.10 | gnd | do I just type root=/dev/hda1 at the boot: prompt? |
| 07:22.16 | Wyzard | gnd: no |
| 07:22.23 | cahoot | golly: load it's driver i e module |
| 07:22.27 | Wyzard | gnd: If it's meant to be a permanent setting, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:22.40 | golly | cahoot: eh? how do I do it? |
| 07:22.44 | gnd | Wyzard: using lilo |
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| 07:22.50 | Wyzard | gnd: lilo.conf then |
| 07:23.05 | jtza8 | golly, more in the line of: ifconfig eth1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx up |
| 07:23.12 | gnd | well, but the problem is, with the new kernel /dev/hda and /dev/hde are swapped |
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| 07:23.27 | gnd | so I need to pass it to the new kernel |
| 07:23.29 | jm_ | Wazup: are you the SIGTSTP feller from yesterday? |
| 07:23.33 | SunDevil | how do you check for rootkits? |
| 07:23.35 | gnd | when at the moment it's not like that |
| 07:23.59 | Poseidon | Can somone ping 81.179.118.111 and tell me what they get back please, if anything? |
| 07:24.00 | gnd | of course afterwards I'll have to edit lilo and fstab |
| 07:24.03 | Wyzard | gnd: The options on the kernel command line are passed as-is to the kernel when you boot it |
| 07:24.17 | aero | jm_, what chmod should i make the .muttrc file same as .fetchmailrc file? |
| 07:24.24 | Wyzard | gnd: so just write the name of the device as the new kernel would know it |
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| 07:24.32 | jm_ | aero: make it readable for yourself only |
| 07:24.34 | jtza8 | SunDevil, tripwire? |
| 07:24.42 | gnd | Wyzard: so when I see the boot: prompt I write root=/dev/hda1? |
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| 07:24.49 | Wazup | jm_: Yup. ;) Sorry to bother, you seem to really know whatcha ya talking about. |
| 07:24.51 | Wyzard | gnd: No, in your lilo.conf |
| 07:24.52 | aero | jm_, just readable, but doesn't have to be executable? |
| 07:24.57 | jm_ | aero: no |
| 07:25.17 | gnd | Wyzard: but if I run lilo after I edit it it'll complain, no? |
| 07:25.18 | jm_ | Wazup: I tested it on Solaris and it indeed gets SIGTSTP, not sure why strace on linux doesn't show it or why it's not sent |
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| 07:25.28 | jm_ | Wazup: what kind of functionality are you testing for? |
| 07:25.42 | gnd | cuz the hdx are swapped |
| 07:26.00 | golly | jtza8: it says no such device, when I ifconfig eth1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx up. |
| 07:26.25 | golly | jtza8: does it need to be connected? |
| 07:26.32 | Wyzard | gnd: No, because lilo doesn't interpret the options on the kernel command line; it just saves them as a string to be passed to the kernel later |
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| 07:26.35 | SunDevil | jtza8: is not installed. |
| 07:26.48 | SunDevil | jtza8: would like to check before installing |
| 07:27.08 | Wyzard | gnd: After you boot the new kernel, you'll need to edit some other stuff in lilo.conf which configures which device lilo installs onto, but that's a separate matter |
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| 07:27.40 | jtza8 | golly, You need to check that its driver/module is loaded. |
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| 07:27.58 | gnd | Wyzard: oh ok, so edit lilo, reboot, edit everything else in lilo and fstab, reboot again |
| 07:28.03 | jtza8 | SunDevil, there is no way. Have a look at honeynet.org |
| 07:28.06 | golly | jtza8: how can I check if it's loaded? |
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| 07:28.18 | Wyzard | gnd: I'd edit fstab first so the second reboot isn't necessary |
| 07:28.23 | jotoso | please, how can I write the root.img disket image? |
| 07:28.33 | litage | i used `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` but nothing the only file in /etc/X11/ that has been changed today are 2 files in twm/ ...where the changes written to? |
| 07:28.35 | aero | does anyone know how to setup exim4 for gmail smtp. I am about to set mutt to use msmtp instead |
| 07:28.37 | Wazup | jm_: I wrote code using linux/module.h and now I can know if the module (pcspkr) exists and if it is not loaded I'll load it using init_module also from linux/module.h. Now if I can't find the module, its a possibility that the functionality is not in a module and it is compiled into the kernel. How can I test for that? |
| 07:28.40 | gnd | but won't that make problems umounting FSs before reboot? |
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| 07:28.43 | litage | s/nothing// |
| 07:28.47 | jtza8 | golly, First off do you really have an extra card? Is it onboard or is it a PCI card? |
| 07:28.53 | Wyzard | gnd: no, it shouldn't |
| 07:29.14 | Wyzard | jotoso: The installation instructions tell you how... I think there's a tool called rawrite |
| 07:29.21 | Wyzard | jotoso: Or you could install from CD |
| 07:29.33 | golly | jtza8: it's an addon PCI card.....my onboard is working fine |
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| 07:29.46 | gnd | Wyzard: hmm, ok, but if I make a mistake, I won't be able to boot with neither kernel, in that case, how do I pass the root=/dev/hdx ? |
| 07:29.57 | jtza8 | golly, You can use lspci to see what chipset it is. |
| 07:30.09 | cahoot | golly: find out what module it needs then modprobe <module> |
| 07:30.12 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.26 | jm_ | Wazup: wouldn't it be better to rely on auto-loading functionality? |
| 07:30.36 | jtza8 | golly, then find the right module for it is, have a look through the kernel documenation. |
| 07:30.47 | SunDevil | sort -n ? |
| 07:30.55 | SunDevil | thats a gamble |
| 07:30.56 | Wyzard | gnd: With lilo, IIRC you have to type out the name of the kernel entry and any options you want, such as the root= option |
| 07:31.01 | Wazup | jm_: meaning? |
| 07:31.02 | Wyzard | gnd: but I haven't used lilo in several years |
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| 07:31.17 | jm_ | Wazup: kernel autoloads it when it's needed |
| 07:31.36 | jm_ | Wazup: except I am not sure if this works for pcspkr |
| 07:32.02 | jtza8 | golly, pardon my plentifull typos :) |
| 07:32.18 | jm_ | Wazup: but anyway, I guess you could check 1. /proc/modules, 2. /proc/config.gz if it exists, 3. System.map |
| 07:32.22 | Wazup | jm_: Ya, it doens't. |
| 07:32.50 | golly | jtza8: cool ...lspci works and I can see both cards |
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| 07:33.04 | tengulre | SunDevil, I can't got corret result ? sort -n text.txt and result is a A b B c C! |
| 07:33.05 | golly | jtza8: how do I find out what module to load with modprobe? |
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| 07:34.29 | timo_ | i've a rather odd problem with latest firefox following etch; often when i click on a link or enter an url firefox just exists without any warnings nor messages - i've tried to remove ~./mozilla, tried to delete all plug-ins and themes and reinstalled firefox with apt-get, i can't get any further |
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| 07:34.54 | timo_ | ~/. even |
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| 07:35.15 | jtza8 | golly, Whell lspci should tell you which chipset it is, from there you have to find the driver's module in the kernel's documentation. |
| 07:35.31 | snail | timo_: exists or exits ? |
| 07:35.44 | ma3x | hi, are there times new roman, arial .... fonts for debian? |
| 07:35.50 | jtza8 | golly, If you've never built a kernel before, then the documentation won't be on your system. |
| 07:36.10 | timo_ | snail: exits |
| 07:36.25 | snail | ma3x: copyright applies to fonts, and not all fonts are free |
| 07:36.46 | golly | jtza8 : never built one. so no luck |
| 07:36.49 | snail | ma3x: "apt-cache search arial" should tell you |
| 07:37.06 | jtza8 | golly, Try apt-get install kernel-doc-2.6.8 |
| 07:37.08 | jtza8 | or |
| 07:37.15 | litage | i gave X the proper info, but i'm not able to set the screen resolution higher than 1024x768 @ 60Hz despite my video card supporting more than that (16mb GeForce2 MX400). any suggestions? |
| 07:37.21 | jtza8 | kernel-doc-2.4.xx |
| 07:37.27 | cafuego | ma3x: "msttcorefonts" in contrib. |
| 07:37.35 | jtza8 | golly, not too sure which xx |
| 07:37.47 | timo_ | hasn't anyone experienced these kind of problems regarding firefox? |
| 07:38.02 | Wazup | jm_: Okay so /boot/System.map lists all the stuff that is compiled into the kernel and are not modules, right? |
| 07:38.21 | jtza8 | golly, type uname -r to find the last xx's |
| 07:39.07 | golly | jtza8: great - dwnlding as we speak |
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| 07:39.57 | jm_ | Wazup: something like that |
| 07:40.01 | ma3x | why when i press ctrl+shift+new two sessions open, instead of one only! |
| 07:40.32 | timo_ | maybe i can delete /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox* after apt-get remove for a fresh download? |
| 07:40.41 | resiak | ma3x: And we telepathically know what program you're using? |
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| 07:40.56 | golly | jtza8: when it finishes......where does it dwld to? |
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| 07:41.18 | ma3x | resiak : kde konsole :) |
| 07:41.32 | ma3x | i checked the shortcuts and everything seems to be fine |
| 07:41.35 | floppyears | timo_: is good to once in a while use aptitude clean |
| 07:41.37 | jtza8 | I'm guessing /usr/src |
| 07:41.38 | ma3x | and if i disable the shortcut it wont open |
| 07:41.44 | resiak | ma3x: Don't tell _me_. I'm just pointing out that no-one can help if you don't give enough information. |
| 07:42.07 | timo_ | floppyears: i've never used that, is that proper syntax? |
| 07:42.08 | ma3x | cafuego : msttcorefonts is from openoffice.org |
| 07:42.23 | jtza8 | golly, I'm downloading it too so I can tell you. |
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| 07:42.31 | cafuego | ma3x: No, it is not. |
| 07:42.33 | floppyears | timo_: yes, that will clean the cache, I once freed 500MB :O |
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| 07:42.43 | timo_ | oh :) |
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| 07:42.57 | timo_ | i'll try and do another upgrade |
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| 07:43.09 | ma3x | cafuego : i just searched in apt-cache |
| 07:43.09 | BriajWrk | can someone help me about a lilo.conf issue? |
| 07:43.12 | ma3x | it gave me that information |
| 07:43.29 | erigato | hi can someone help me please? i want to mount/format an old ntfs HD and use it for storage |
| 07:43.30 | floppyears | BriajWrk: just ask, don't ask to ask :) |
| 07:43.36 | cafuego | ma3x: msttcorefonts is a package that fetches the fonts from sourceforge. |
| 07:43.38 | jtza8 | golly, have you run lspci yet? |
| 07:43.39 | BriajWrk | thank you floppyears |
| 07:43.41 | Guerin | erigato: cfdisk |
| 07:43.47 | floppyears | erigato: cfdisk |
| 07:43.53 | Guerin | erigato: cfdisk |
| 07:43.59 | Wazup | jm_:Thanks. |
| 07:44.05 | jm_ | Wazup: np |
| 07:44.07 | BriajWrk | i have 3 kernel images (2.6.12.3, 2.6.11.12 and 2.4.31) |
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| 07:44.16 | ninjagrammaton | erigato i think "discover" is the package you are looking for |
| 07:44.20 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# apt-cache search msttcorefonts |
| 07:44.20 | ma3x | openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite |
| 07:44.20 | BriajWrk | vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.12.3 |
| 07:44.31 | BriajWrk | vmlinuz.old -> vmlinuz-2.6.11.12 |
| 07:44.48 | Guerin | ninjagrammaton: wtf are you smoking, and where can I get some? |
| 07:44.50 | erigato | so what is the difference. and why do i get fatal error for cfdisk |
| 07:44.54 | golly | jtza8: yes, ran it |
| 07:44.58 | Guerin | i'd love a reality distortion field like that |
| 07:45.08 | BriajWrk | but when i boot with 2.4.31 the System.map link change pointing to System.map-2.4.31 |
| 07:45.12 | Guerin | erigato: dunno, what are you doing wrong? |
| 07:45.35 | jtza8 | golly: which chipset did you see? |
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| 07:46.14 | erigato | Guerin: how do i use cfdisk? i don't want to mess up my other hard drive |
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| 07:46.22 | golly | jtza8: Dlink System Inc Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 11) |
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| 07:46.29 | Guerin | erigato: cfdisk /dev/whateverthediskyouwanttofuckupiscalled |
| 07:46.34 | Guerin | erigato: man cfdisk |
| 07:47.11 | erigato | Guerin: i did that "cfdisk /dev/hdd" but fatal error |
| 07:47.18 | ma3x | Setting up roxen-fonts-iso8859-2 (0-7) ... |
| 07:47.19 | ma3x | Roxen is not configured yet, aborting |
| 07:47.24 | ma3x | how do i configure roxen |
| 07:47.24 | Guerin | erigato: what error? |
| 07:47.26 | ma3x | anyone please? |
| 07:47.40 | BriajWrk | does anybody know how to resolve this please? |
| 07:47.48 | erigato | Guerin: now i did cfdisk /dev/hhdd1 |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | ma3x: dpkg --configure roxen |
| 07:47.50 | erigato | and it worked |
| 07:47.52 | erigato | ighink |
| 07:47.54 | pablum | what can curses add to fdisk? |
| 07:48.06 | ma3x | thanks Guerin |
| 07:48.07 | jtza8 | golly: I'll see if I can find you something on that. |
| 07:48.15 | Guerin | erigato: it shouldn't; cfdisk should act on a whole volume |
| 07:48.47 | erigato | Guerin: hmmm, so what can i do now to find out what happened |
| 07:48.54 | Guerin | erigato: dunno |
| 07:48.59 | Guerin | maybe i'm wrong |
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| 07:49.04 | pablum | menus |
| 07:49.23 | ma3x | Guerin : can i somehow configure it with apt? |
| 07:49.30 | BriajWrk | does anyone have more than 2 images to boot with lilo? |
| 07:50.56 | jtza8 | golly: I only see one driver in the kernel, so I'm guessing the module would be dl2k |
| 07:51.23 | erigato | anybody else here have an idea on how to get my hd running for storage? |
| 07:52.08 | echnaton | hi i have problems with my usb mouse: i compile my own kernel but the mouse doesnt work |
| 07:52.24 | qwertz_ | Hi! Is there a tool that synchronizes nearly immediately files in a directory between to debian boxes ( crons 1 minute is far too slow)? |
| 07:52.45 | jtza8 | echnaton, detto |
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| 07:53.07 | echnaton | u2 jtza8 ? |
| 07:53.09 | pablum | echnaton, I think it's the kernel... try one of the nice robust ones the debian developers provide. |
| 07:53.26 | jtza8 | echnaton, but my kernel hasn't run yet. So it may work... I hope. |
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| 07:53.41 | timo_ | floppyears: it did it, thanks |
| 07:53.42 | echnaton | he says: pmouse module not found |
| 07:53.44 | kadigibox | Anyone know of a good GTK, command line, or x timers or timer/chrono |
| 07:53.45 | echnaton | but cant find it |
| 07:54.11 | pablum | pmouse? |
| 07:54.18 | cahoot | kadigibox: stopwatch? |
| 07:54.19 | jtza8 | yes, you need the psmouse module and the mousedev module. |
| 07:54.25 | xst | I can run a script as the user X just fine without errors. But when I run the script from cron as that user, I suddenly get permission denied errors. What can cause that? |
| 07:54.32 | floppyears | timo_: np, and also use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 07:54.56 | kadigibox | cahoot, I dont see that in the package list |
| 07:55.19 | jtza8 | xst, I'm guessing that you probably arn't running the script as user X from cron. |
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| 07:55.36 | pablum | echnaton, scroll through your .config file in the kernel source to see if you asked for them |
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| 07:55.49 | Jon_Smee | What is that name of that old text to speech program on Mac? |
| 07:56.08 | echnaton | hm okay ill try |
| 07:56.22 | kadigibox | I just need a good timer on linux so I can know when my pizza is done LOL otherwise I forget and I end up eating burnt food |
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| 07:57.12 | xst | jtza8: I am getting the following error-mail from cron which indicates that cron indeed runs it as that user ("mailman"): Cron <mailman@debian> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/cron/disabled |
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| 07:58.10 | echnaton | pablum, cant find anything about mouse in my kernel :( |
| 07:58.18 | pablum | oi |
| 07:58.24 | jtza8 | xst, I don't know too much about cron; actually :) |
| 07:58.30 | echnaton | pablum, bist auch deutscher? |
| 07:58.34 | xst | fair enough :-) |
| 07:58.36 | pablum | echnaton, noe |
| 07:58.41 | pablum | ami |
| 07:58.45 | echnaton | okay |
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| 07:59.26 | echnaton | can anybody check my kernel .config? |
| 07:59.43 | Guerin | echnaton: you can |
| 07:59.45 | echnaton | or does anybody have one? |
| 07:59.51 | Guerin | echnaton: you do |
| 08:00.02 | echnaton | Guerin, i cant find my misstake |
| 08:00.05 | Guerin | why are you compiling a kernel anyway? |
| 08:00.05 | ma3x | this is fucked up |
| 08:00.06 | ma3x | everytime i press any shortcuts in Konsole, it executes twice |
| 08:00.12 | pablum | echnaton, you might try recompiling, but start with one of the config files the debian developers put in /boot, and run make oldconfig |
| 08:00.23 | echnaton | oldconfig? |
| 08:00.31 | Guerin | yes |
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| 08:00.36 | Guerin | you can read, I see |
| 08:00.46 | Guerin | this is an important skill |
| 08:01.05 | echnaton | Guerin, your comments doesnt help anybody |
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| 08:01.37 | echnaton | try to learn to help and not to comment anything Guerin |
| 08:01.38 | litage | does debian use XF86Congif or XF86Config-4? |
| 08:01.45 | echnaton | everything |
| 08:01.46 | cahoot | kadigibox: use at |
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| 08:01.59 | echnaton | XF86Config-4 |
| 08:02.00 | Guerin | echnaton: bollocks. You still didn't answer my question. |
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| 08:02.26 | echnaton | you never have asked me |
| 08:02.30 | echnaton | only comments |
| 08:02.39 | Guerin | 16:56:42 < Guerin> why are you compiling a kernel anyway? |
| 08:02.50 | Guerin | echnaton: that was for you. |
| 08:03.06 | echnaton | because i want to optimize my kernel on my sys and i only want the modules i need |
| 08:03.28 | Guerin | and what makes you think that building only the modules you need will make your kernel any more optimised? |
| 08:03.35 | litage | thanks echnaton |
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| 08:04.23 | echnaton | Guerin, i learnd it when i set up my gentoo system.. its better for me to compile it myself... but think what you want Guerin |
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| 08:04.38 | pablum | !gentoosmit echnaton |
| 08:04.43 | pablum | oh crap |
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| 08:04.44 | echnaton | pablum, apt-cache kernel-image ^^ |
| 08:04.49 | pablum | !gentoosmite echnaton |
| 08:04.51 | echnaton | gentoosmit? |
| 08:05.01 | Guerin | echnaton: you clearly didn't learn enough from gentoo to know that has 0 bearing on whether a kernel runs faster or not. |
| 08:05.03 | pablum | hey, where's dpkg? |
| 08:05.07 | liable | dpkg still broken eh? |
| 08:05.09 | therealgalen | hey i'm looking for information on the cpu requirements/utilization of software raid 5s linux |
| 08:05.12 | Guerin | pablum: in the great bitbucket in the sky. |
| 08:05.15 | liable | lazy bot. |
| 08:05.16 | therealgalen | can anybody point me in the right direction? |
| 08:05.23 | pablum | good |
| 08:05.24 | deadcat | therealgalen: left |
| 08:05.48 | therealgalen | deadcat: already tried that :P and up, down, and even right too :) |
| 08:05.50 | echnaton | pablum, apt-cache search kernel-image? |
| 08:05.58 | deadcat | therealgalen: you're lost |
| 08:06.00 | pablum | yes |
| 08:06.04 | Guerin | echnaton: you'll save a few megs of disk space, and perhaps a a few seconds boot time, but not much else. |
| 08:06.13 | pablum | you can put an -n in there somewhere, too |
| 08:06.22 | therealgalen | deadcat: that's why i'm asking people, i need more detailed directions :) |
| 08:06.30 | deadcat | therealgalen: you need a gps |
| 08:06.32 | echnaton | okay Guerin |
| 08:07.08 | therealgalen | deadcat: i have one, it even jacks into my computer for use with gpsd, but it doesn't help in the virtual world, and google has failed me |
| 08:07.36 | Guerin | therealgalen: i'd figure it to be pretty minimal on a modern system |
| 08:07.47 | Guerin | therealgalen: i don't know, but i'd be surpprised if you'd notice |
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| 08:08.21 | therealgalen | guerin: i'm just looking for some numbers, i'm thinking of implementing it on a system where i'm going to be pushing the cpu and disks with HD and stuff |
| 08:08.32 | echnaton | Guerin or pablum so i should use with Pentium 4 HT: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 08:08.39 | Guerin | therealgalen: can't help you with specifics, sorry. |
| 08:08.41 | echnaton | or is there a newer one? |
| 08:08.51 | pablum | smp? I don't know I'm a amd weenie |
| 08:08.57 | therealgalen | guerin: know anywhere else i should look? ooohhh i wonder if #raid exists... |
| 08:09.01 | Guerin | echnaton: if you're running sarge, use that, or the non-smp kernel |
| 08:09.15 | Guerin | therealgalen: maybe on a mailing list |
| 08:09.19 | therealgalen | (nope, joins an empty room...) |
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| 08:10.09 | therealgalen | guerin: good idea, i'll see if i can find anything |
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| 08:10.37 | pablum | echnaton, use what Guerin suggests, and if you're curious read through the accompanying config file to see if SMT is enabled. |
| 08:11.12 | echnaton | okay i ll try.. maybe i can use it to compile my own kernel |
| 08:11.15 | echnaton | ^^ |
| 08:11.24 | Guerin | well |
| 08:11.30 | echnaton | and add SMT |
| 08:11.34 | Guerin | there'd be no point in that |
| 08:11.39 | Guerin | SMT? |
| 08:11.53 | pablum | echnaton, do that the Debian Way, if you insist on doing it. |
| 08:11.54 | jtza8 | I guess he ment SMP |
| 08:11.58 | echnaton | Hyperthreading Scheduling support |
| 08:12.03 | zite | how do I give arguments to a program when I execute it with ./ ? |
| 08:12.11 | echnaton | no jtza8 i ment SMT |
| 08:12.12 | zite | ./pie argsgohere |
| 08:12.14 | pablum | jtza8, no. |
| 08:12.18 | Guerin | oh, HypeThreading |
| 08:12.33 | liable | therealgalen: tldp has a software raid doc. |
| 08:12.33 | therealgalen | any suggestions for the most appropriate list to post questions about linux software raid 5 cpu utilization? |
| 08:12.46 | jtza8 | pablum, well its all TMA to me. |
| 08:12.49 | Guerin | see, the thing about debian kernels is their configs are shit to use as a base |
| 08:13.01 | pablum | mtaw |
| 08:13.05 | Guerin | everything is built as a module, and they use an initrd |
| 08:13.21 | echnaton | Guerin, i want to compile my own kernel because of SMT.. thats the reason |
| 08:13.44 | Guerin | echnaton: i'm pretty sure the debian smp kernels have it built in |
| 08:13.48 | therealgalen | wow tldp has an *ugly* page |
| 08:13.55 | echnaton | no cant find it Guerin in the .config |
| 08:14.04 | Guerin | ok, then. |
| 08:14.15 | Guerin | if you're going to build a kernel, you're better off starting from a plain vanilla config and patching it how you want |
| 08:14.22 | therealgalen | just goes to show you geeks can't design... |
| 08:14.24 | therealgalen | :P |
| 08:14.28 | echnaton | Guerin thats what i did |
| 08:14.37 | echnaton | but i only had a problem with my usb mouse |
| 08:14.42 | liable | therealgalen: its an info site, not bling. |
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| 08:15.13 | snail | therealgalen: it's a deliberate attempt to keep out the arts grads |
| 08:15.24 | therealgalen | rofl! |
| 08:15.43 | echnaton | hm what is about udev .. should i net something like devfs filesystem? |
| 08:15.51 | echnaton | net == use |
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| 08:16.25 | vladkao | hello, I want to change the size of the fonts in gnome apps like gaim. I don't have gnome installed. where do I look ? |
| 08:16.27 | pablum | udev is the new hotness |
| 08:16.39 | echnaton | ooh sorry smt is activated in the kernel config |
| 08:16.41 | liable | or brokenness... |
| 08:16.56 | pablum | yep, thought so echnaton |
| 08:16.57 | echnaton | CONFIG_SCHED_SMT=y |
| 08:16.59 | zite | >,> what's a segmentation fault? |
| 08:17.12 | Guerin | echnaton: yeah, i was pretty sure it was |
| 08:17.26 | Guerin | ~tell zite about sig11 |
| 08:17.27 | echnaton | Guerin, whats about reiserfs.. iam using it |
| 08:17.37 | echnaton | CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=m |
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| 08:17.40 | echnaton | ==> yes |
| 08:17.41 | Guerin | echnaton: that's a mistake, but it is supported in debian kernels |
| 08:17.47 | zite | thanks |
| 08:17.48 | Guerin | as long as you mean ricer3, not ricer4 |
| 08:17.55 | echnaton | Guerin, ricerfs |
| 08:17.59 | echnaton | reiserfs |
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| 08:18.47 | echnaton | when i use reiserfs so is hould set CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=m to y |
| 08:19.01 | liable | echnaton: please dont ask for all the configs you need for a kernel. If you dont know, or cant find out, dont do it. |
| 08:19.07 | Guerin | echnaton: no |
| 08:19.10 | pablum | echnaton, not if you're using initrd you don't have to |
| 08:19.12 | Guerin | echnaton: USE A DEBIAN KERNEL |
| 08:19.14 | echnaton | liable, no |
| 08:19.18 | liable | echnaton: yes |
| 08:19.20 | echnaton | Guerin i do |
| 08:19.22 | Guerin | IT SUPPORTS ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE ASKED FOR |
| 08:19.28 | Guerin | echnaton: so be happy |
| 08:19.38 | Maliuta | guerin: as opposed to a hand compiled one that is optomised for you system? |
| 08:19.48 | liable | gah |
| 08:19.49 | jtza8 | Guerin, which kernel are you using? |
| 08:19.51 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.51 | joris_ | embarassing djbdns/tinydns question... anyone know what syntax is required to generate a Z-line (full soa record) |
| 08:19.53 | Guerin | Maliuta: yes, because it almost certainly isn't. |
| 08:19.57 | Guerin | jtza8: depends on which box. |
| 08:20.04 | pablum | where's dpkg when you need it... |
| 08:20.05 | Maliuta | guerin: there are tools out there to allow you to package your own kernel |
| 08:20.11 | Guerin | karsten: your spamassassin box? |
| 08:20.12 | echnaton | that channel isn helpfull! many people said that before ... and know i realised it myself.... |
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| 08:20.18 | jtza8 | Guerin, This box, for now |
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| 08:20.22 | Guerin | Maliuta: yes, and in 99% of cases it's not fucking worth it |
| 08:20.31 | jtza8 | If ti's a debian box. |
| 08:20.33 | karsten | Guerin: Sort of. |
| 08:20.39 | karsten | Guerin: It's up over 315 now. |
| 08:20.47 | karsten | Guerin: near 350. |
| 08:20.54 | MobyTurbo | defintely permasunday today |
| 08:21.05 | karsten | Guerin: I kicked off a bunch of DNS queries, basically, to try to pre-seed a spam LART run. |
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| 08:21.17 | Guerin | jtza8: this one I'm using a hand-built 2.6.9, because this laptop needs to boot often, and I cut it down to boot super fast |
| 08:21.31 | BriajWrk | does anyone have more than 2 images to boot with lilo? |
| 08:21.33 | Guerin | jtza8: all my other boxen run stock debian kernels |
| 08:21.40 | Guerin | karsten: heh |
| 08:21.54 | karsten | Guerin: Fortunatly it's mostly just DNS queries waiting to time out. |
| 08:22.28 | Guerin | jtza8: but the difference here is that I know what i'm doing, and don't have to ask elementary questions which are trivially solved by grepping a .config |
| 08:22.53 | jtza8 | True. |
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| 08:23.24 | jtza8 | It's better to mess with building a kernel when your current kernel works :) |
| 08:23.29 | Guerin | and i don't get pissy when people give me entirely reasonable answers and good advice in response to my stupid questions |
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| 08:23.56 | `UD | Hmm... when i vnc in to my linux machine, it defualts to enlightenment when i have since install kde any tips? |
| 08:24.12 | karsten | Guerin: I'd given it an 0.5s sleep between loop iterations. |
| 08:24.23 | karsten | Guerin: ...where a given query can run 10-20s. |
| 08:24.25 | Guerin | karsten: speed over load, huh? |
| 08:24.27 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:25.07 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah. |
| 08:25.18 | VoX | xorg still broken i take it? |
| 08:25.29 | karsten | Guerin: DNS caching, so if you can pre-seed your cache, performance should improve markedly. |
| 08:25.31 | liable | VoX: not necessarily |
| 08:25.37 | karsten | Guerin: ...and I'm using a pretty inefficient script for this. |
| 08:25.48 | VoX | liable: explain |
| 08:25.59 | liable | VoX: works for me.. |
| 08:26.13 | MobyTurbo | VoX: /topic |
| 08:26.26 | karsten | Guerin: What with some other tuning tricks I'm down as low as 13.5s per LART, on dialup, with lots of DNS queries per lart. |
| 08:26.35 | liable | VoX: whether it'll work for you is entirely different. |
| 08:26.37 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.39 | karsten | :-) |
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| 08:27.08 | karsten | Guerin: Responsiveness on the box is pretty good, despite that. |
| 08:27.43 | vladkao | karsten: I think you have posted to some mailing lists about gtkrc, am i right? :-) |
| 08:27.58 | pablum | sheesh, what's that thing doing, karsten ? |
| 08:28.09 | karsten | vladkao: Um. Not that I recall. |
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| 08:28.21 | christianp | hi all |
| 08:28.30 | karsten | pablum: *way* too many 'host' queries. |
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| 08:28.38 | VoX | MobyTurbo: yes, i'm aware of the topic. hence my first question, asking if it was still broken. |
| 08:28.50 | ma3x | peeps |
| 08:28.57 | ma3x | when i login i get some stupid login screen |
| 08:29.03 | ma3x | i want the login console to show up |
| 08:29.13 | ma3x | not that stupid debian graphic login screen |
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| 08:29.16 | karsten | ma3x: Log in how, to what? |
| 08:29.18 | pablum | ma3x, update-rc.d |
| 08:29.24 | ma3x | karsten : you know when computer starts |
| 08:29.27 | karsten | ma3x: Console? X? ssh? |
| 08:29.28 | liable | ma3x: remove whatever dm you have then |
| 08:29.44 | ma3x | karsten : i want ssh login to show |
| 08:29.46 | ma3x | and i get X login |
| 08:29.52 | ma3x | what's dm? |
| 08:29.54 | pablum | er... |
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| 08:30.12 | karsten | ma3x: display manager. |
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| 08:30.23 | ma3x | that's right, how do i remove the fuckup thing? |
| 08:30.25 | christianp | a question: exists a product to publish a fileserver over the net and allow file management without downloading/uploading files, but like a lan browsing (as does samba)? |
| 08:31.06 | ma3x | karsten you a german? |
| 08:31.16 | karsten | ma3x: "login screen" depending on what you're referring to might be any of: grub boot splash screen, the /etc/issue text, the /etc/issue.net text, your display manager's default picture, or your window manager's desktop wallpaper. |
| 08:31.31 | ma3x | hwh |
| 08:31.32 | ma3x | :) |
| 08:31.38 | karsten | ma3x: Watch your language please, and desribe your problem precisely. |
| 08:32.02 | ma3x | i think it' sthe display manager's default screen |
| 08:32.12 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.16 | karsten | 1923 |
| 08:32.18 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 08:32.25 | karsten | ma3x: What's your DM? |
| 08:32.39 | ma3x | what's DM referring to? |
| 08:32.41 | karsten | ma3x: Your choices include gdm, kdm, xdm, and wdm. |
| 08:32.47 | karsten | ma3x: Same thing it did last time. |
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| 08:32.56 | ma3x | well i have kde so i guess its kdm |
| 08:33.00 | karsten | !tell ma3x about dm |
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| 08:33.14 | liable | dpkg is dead, still. |
| 08:33.14 | karsten | ma3x: /etc/kde3/kdm/ |
| 08:33.20 | karsten | ma3x: ... your configs are in there. |
| 08:33.27 | ma3x | now we have the gold |
| 08:33.31 | ma3x | lemme look at it |
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| 08:33.46 | ma3x | bash: cd: /etc/kde3/kdm/: No such file or directory |
| 08:33.50 | karsten | ma3x: ...and there's a "backgroundrc" file you might want to look at. |
| 08:34.44 | ma3x | i guess its not kdm |
| 08:34.56 | sihkzz | Hi. I'm having some massive problems with gnome and would like some help trying to find out what I've done wrong. It loads up until the splash screen and then freezes horribly. Nothing responds. No mouse, keyboard, etc. I have to hit reset. I have removed the .gnome2 .gnome and .nautilus directories to reset everything to default but it hasn't helped. Anyone? |
| 08:35.04 | pablum | ma3x, run ps aux | grep 'dm$' |
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| 08:35.25 | ma3x | it says /usr/bin/X11/xdm |
| 08:35.27 | karsten | ma3x: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 08:35.36 | snail | ma3x: why are you trying to do this? if you're trying to get rid of x, why not get rid of all of it? |
| 08:35.50 | karsten | ma3x: /etc/X11/xdm/ then. |
| 08:35.58 | ma3x | snail : i just don't want display manager |
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| 08:36.10 | aeronadix | Oh Allah have mercy and deliver a working fully featured Linux web browser |
| 08:36.19 | ma3x | i want to manually launch my x |
| 08:36.20 | liable | ma3x: remove it then... |
| 08:36.27 | karsten | ma3x: aptitude purge xdm |
| 08:36.33 | pablum | um, Allah must be on some other channel |
| 08:36.44 | karsten | apt: tell ma3x about dm |
| 08:36.55 | aeronadix | pablum, he on all channels |
| 08:37.08 | pablum | ~tell ma3x about dm |
| 08:37.12 | pablum | mabye |
| 08:37.19 | cahoot | aeronadix: correct but he works through MS ;) |
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| 08:37.55 | aeronadix | cahoot, Allah is open source |
| 08:37.58 | pablum | yay, a bot. |
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| 08:39.09 | aeronadix | whats the deal, linux has amazing everything out there you can imagine. But the main thing, a full featured web browser. links2 is awesome though |
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| 08:39.32 | karsten | aeronadix: MSIE 6 ;-) |
| 08:39.39 | pablum | ouch |
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| 08:39.48 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: you haven't tried mozilla or firefox? |
| 08:39.51 | karsten | snail: There's legitimate reasons to not want a display manager. |
| 08:39.58 | pablum | unless you're looking for CSS |
| 08:40.18 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, I tried them, I am sure they work pretty good on new machines, but not on old one, I have low ram |
| 08:40.20 | cello_rasp | oh my. Base Install dies every time it tires to download modutils, and I can't get it past that point. How fix can I? |
| 08:40.28 | aeronadix | karsten, what do you mean? |
| 08:41.02 | ma3x | karsten i have one more question please |
| 08:41.06 | ma3x | it's about the console |
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| 08:41.16 | karsten | ma3x: Please deposit 25 cents for the next three minutes. |
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| 08:41.20 | Crissi | hi |
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| 08:41.25 | cello_rasp | I have tried several mirrors but always dies about the same point |
| 08:41.27 | karsten | aeronadix: You can run MSIE 6 on Linux if you want. |
| 08:41.29 | MobyTurbo | pablum: firefox runs fine under fvwm |
| 08:41.32 | ma3x | karsten you're a funny guy :) |
| 08:41.42 | pablum | MobyTurbo, not for some... |
| 08:41.45 | Crissi | i installed tomcat4 on debian testing.. but i have problems to start it... |
| 08:41.47 | ma3x | karsten : i'll try to ask anyway |
| 08:41.50 | Crissi | http://pastebin.com/316557 |
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| 08:41.56 | Crissi | any ideas? |
| 08:42.00 | aeronadix | karsten, and it runs fast? where do i get it, its in deb archive? |
| 08:42.02 | karsten | aeronadix: Under WINE. |
| 08:42.04 | ma3x | i have XBithcX, and when i start it, i get nice screen and fonts |
| 08:42.04 | floppyears | cello_rasp: it should be able to download the packages just fine |
| 08:42.07 | MobyTurbo | pablum: I've run it under fvwm |
| 08:42.18 | ma3x | but then if i detach and try to reattach from the console it's the stupid console font and screen |
| 08:42.19 | karsten | aeronadix: Um. It usually falls over, but I've got the odd screenshot. |
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| 08:42.28 | ma3x | so how to reattach to the same XBitchX |
| 08:42.31 | MobyTurbo | pablum: I suspect that you're experiencing PEBKAC |
| 08:42.32 | karsten | aeronadix: Google "sidenet wine" iirc. |
| 08:42.32 | cello_rasp | floppyears: Debootstrap Error: Could'nt download modutils |
| 08:42.38 | pablum | MobyTurbo, and I have not: it starts but doesn't throw up a window |
| 08:42.49 | karsten | ma3x: Well, bitchx is half your problem. |
| 08:42.56 | karsten | ma3x: Personally, I run irssi in screen. |
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| 08:43.07 | cello_rasp | floppyears: and then I have to start all over again! every time. |
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| 08:43.11 | Phated | irssi+screen+ssh is the holy trinity. |
| 08:43.15 | MobyTurbo | pablum: you mean a splash screen? |
| 08:43.22 | vladkao | Phated: yesh :-) |
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| 08:43.28 | Guerin | and beer |
| 08:43.30 | pablum | MobyTurbo, no I mean a browser interface window. |
| 08:43.36 | Guerin | all those are useless if you don't have beer |
| 08:43.38 | Phated | Holy quadrity? |
| 08:43.42 | deepan | i am not able to ping a computer that does not run any firewall now.. ( it had before) .. the system is up.. how do allow ping .. |
| 08:43.44 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.53 | Guerin | karsten: ooh, going down... |
| 08:44.01 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah. |
| 08:44.10 | karsten | Guerin: 'xload' is solid bars. |
| 08:44.10 | MobyTurbo | pablum: what makes you think that its fvwm's problem? fvwm just draws window borders and not much else. |
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| 08:44.16 | Guerin | no shit |
| 08:44.22 | pablum | MobyTurbo, look at bug 318645 if you want to see the details. |
| 08:44.43 | cello_rasp | can anyone help me with a base install error, other than tell me that it shouldn't be happening? |
| 08:44.45 | vladkao | karsten: 222 avg ? |
| 08:44.45 | karsten | deepan: make sure ICMP echo-reply is allowed at that host, locally, and at any intermediate nodes. |
| 08:44.55 | karsten | vladkao: Yes. Was ~495 |
| 08:45.05 | vladkao | why ? |
| 08:45.15 | liable | cello_rasp: how about telling us whats wrong. |
| 08:45.18 | ma3x | karsten : one more question please |
| 08:45.19 | pablum | MobyTurbo, me and others that've experienced the bug do (I think) have in common that we installed fvwm after the main install of debian. |
| 08:45.22 | karsten | vladkao: Because there are 222 tasks in the run queue, duh! |
| 08:45.30 | ma3x | vfat partition won't allow me to change permissions or write to it |
| 08:45.34 | ma3x | do you know why? |
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| 08:45.40 | ma3x | i mean you must know |
| 08:45.40 | karsten | ma3x: Yes. |
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| 08:45.46 | ma3x | will you tell me please? |
| 08:45.47 | cello_rasp | base install dies every time upon downloading modutils "debootstrap error: couldn't download modutils" |
| 08:45.53 | karsten | ma3x: Maybe. |
| 08:46.00 | ma3x | karsten : please? |
| 08:46.05 | Guerin | cello_rasp: what disk and what distro are you downloading? |
| 08:46.07 | Coke | ma3x: the answer was "yes" and that was your final question, thank's for asking, goodbye. :) |
| 08:46.11 | cello_rasp | i have tried diff mirrors and repartitioned |
| 08:46.19 | cello_rasp | debian stable, net install |
| 08:46.20 | MobyTurbo | pablum: tell me how you can install fvwm before the main install of Debian. You're making no sense. |
| 08:46.22 | karsten | aeronadix: WRT MSIE/Wine: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=sidenet |
| 08:46.26 | liable | cello_rasp: business card install? |
| 08:46.27 | Guerin | cello_rasp: which disk? |
| 08:46.30 | ma3x | come on guys |
| 08:46.32 | ma3x | help me out here |
| 08:46.38 | karsten | ma3x: vfat doesn't have users or permissions as a filesystem concept. |
| 08:46.40 | cello_rasp | floppy boot, net install |
| 08:46.45 | aeronadix | karsten, I am pretty sure it (MSIE) will run slow too |
| 08:46.45 | Guerin | whatever that is |
| 08:46.46 | pablum | MobyTurbo, you might try reading what I wrote. |
| 08:46.51 | karsten | ma3x: So permissions are set at mount, and user is the effective UID/GID at mount. |
| 08:46.59 | Guerin | ~vfatrw |
| 08:47.00 | apt | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 08:47.03 | Guerin | yup |
| 08:47.03 | Coke | ma3x: but you said "one more question" and then you asked whether or not we knew and you got the answer for that question; yes, we know why. :) |
| 08:47.06 | karsten | ma3x: You can modify that with mount-time options. |
| 08:47.34 | MobyTurbo | < pablum> MobyTurbo, me and others that've experienced the bug do (I think) have in common that we installed fvwm after the main install of debian. |
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| 08:47.40 | MobyTurbo | that's what you wrote. |
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| 08:47.50 | ma3x | karsten : can i put that in /etc/fstab too? |
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| 08:47.57 | SNow | Hi guys, who can tell me a good/cheap dedicated servers provider which accepts egold payments ?! |
| 08:48.00 | cello_rasp | I hope it isn't the disk, even so bad sectors should be accounted for |
| 08:48.06 | liable | Guerin: i'll be a test subject if you need one. |
| 08:48.08 | pablum | MobyTurbo, that's what I'm talking about. Where does it say I installed fvwm *before* debian? |
| 08:48.13 | Guerin | liable: heh |
| 08:48.24 | `UD | whats the easiest way to set kde as my default windows manager? |
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| 08:48.30 | pablum | sheesh |
| 08:48.30 | karsten | ma3x: Yeah. 'user=<username>,group=<group>,umask=755' I think. |
| 08:48.42 | Guerin | beer melts ice much faster than water at the same temperature |
| 08:48.48 | karsten | ma3x: I usually mount root.floppy or something like that. |
| 08:48.56 | karsten | Guerin: Salt? |
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| 08:49.01 | Guerin | i think it must have to do with the solubility of carbon dioxide at different temperatures |
| 08:49.03 | cello_rasp | well this looks hopeful! |
| 08:49.06 | Guerin | karsten: no salt in beer! |
| 08:49.15 | cello_rasp | sarcasm |
| 08:49.15 | dbernar1 | Can someone please tell me how I could fix my system time? Preferably for good. |
| 08:49.22 | TBBle | Hence bearnuts. |
| 08:49.24 | TBBle | beernuts |
| 08:49.27 | liable | cello_rasp: you sure its net install, not business card? |
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| 08:49.32 | MobyTurbo | pablum: pardon me for thinking that the details you're posting are of any significance. |
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| 08:49.36 | ma3x | karsten : i still didn't get that with mount-time |
| 08:49.39 | cello_rasp | liable, it is jusrt net install |
| 08:49.42 | karsten | ma3x: Sec. |
| 08:49.43 | aeronadix | karsten, so you tried wine? Do the programs run the same as in windows |
| 08:49.44 | geggeri | fuq here si warm :/ |
| 08:49.47 | ma3x | ok |
| 08:49.52 | SNow | Hi guys, who can tell me a good/cheap dedicated servers provider which accepts egold payments ?! |
| 08:49.53 | dbernar1 | i sucked on bearnuts, jj, I hadnt. |
| 08:49.56 | karsten | aeronadix: It's a mixed bag. |
| 08:49.57 | pablum | what? *plonk* |
| 08:49.59 | cello_rasp | liable, i never said nothin' about no business card ;) |
| 08:50.02 | zeitgeist_y2k | dbernar1, use an ntpclient |
| 08:50.05 | gizmo71 | hello |
| 08:50.08 | dbernar1 | ok |
| 08:50.09 | karsten | SNow: Google. |
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| 08:50.26 | SNow | I tried, But i Can't Find normal u know ;] |
| 08:50.38 | liable | cello_rasp: the reason I say, is modutils is part of base, which is included in net install but not business. Thus it shouldnt need to download it.. |
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| 08:50.43 | MobyTurbo | ~u |
| 08:50.43 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 08:50.55 | karsten | aeronadix: Some stuff runs, some stuff doesn't, some stuff is partially supported. |
| 08:50.58 | karsten | aeronadix: ...and stability may vary. |
| 08:51.01 | karsten | ma3x: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2004-12/msg00099.html |
| 08:51.06 | karsten | ma3x: ...should cover it. |
| 08:51.10 | Guerin | if you put ice in beer, though, you have to stir it, because the water from the meltage sits on top |
| 08:51.13 | polok | I already like apt. :) |
| 08:51.15 | cello_rasp | liable: maybe not.. so how do i get past this? |
| 08:51.18 | Guerin | and that's not good, hackers, that's not good |
| 08:51.20 | mihai_ | how can i remove kde and gnome ? not all the libs, just the wm |
| 08:51.26 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.28 | mihai_ | i want to be able to run kde apps in fluxbox |
| 08:51.30 | cello_rasp | i want to install debian damnit! |
| 08:51.30 | liable | cello_rasp: get the proper net install |
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| 08:51.36 | TBBle | You're leaving your beer lying around long enough to need ice? |
| 08:51.37 | Guerin | mihai_: nothing's stopping you |
| 08:51.40 | asdf__ | how can I recreate a user account on a second machine without knowing its password? I have root access. |
| 08:51.41 | liable | ~d-i cello_rasp |
| 08:51.46 | liable | bah |
| 08:51.53 | polok | what's the option in fstab that makes a fat32 partition rw by a normal user? |
| 08:51.57 | Guerin | TBBle: the heathens in this country store beer at temperatures >0degC |
| 08:52.01 | PerfDave | asdf__: recreate as in you deleted it? |
| 08:52.05 | cello_rasp | liable: i don't understand... how is this not the proper net install? |
| 08:52.07 | karsten | cello_rasp: Did you md5sum your ISO before burning it? |
| 08:52.08 | TBBle | Heathens indeed. >_< |
| 08:52.08 | gizmo71 | is it right if change the order of packages in a "apt-get install" command give two result for the dependency completly different? (sorry for my english) |
| 08:52.11 | Guerin | TBBle: i just bought it, and it's already too warm to drink |
| 08:52.18 | liable | cello_rasp: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 08:52.23 | karsten | polok: /lastlog ma3x |
| 08:52.23 | cello_rasp | karsten: learn to read! I'm using net install |
| 08:52.24 | geggeri | fuq |
| 08:52.30 | geggeri | too warm here :/ |
| 08:52.39 | karsten | cello_rasp: netinst CD? Or floppy-only? |
| 08:52.42 | asdf__ | PerfDave: no, it exists on one machine and I want it to exist in the second too (with the same password which I don't know what it is) |
| 08:52.44 | cello_rasp | floppy only |
| 08:52.50 | deepan | karsten: how do i allow ICMP echo-reply ?.. what blocks it |
| 08:52.51 | karsten | cello_rasp: ...and hooked on phonics is back-ordered. |
| 08:52.51 | PerfDave | asdf__: If you have a copy of the *shadow* password (from another machine for example) it's possible. |
| 08:52.57 | liable | cello_rasp: the business card cd, just boots a kernel, you pretty much pul *everything* off the net, net install has the base system on it. |
| 08:52.59 | karsten | deepan: ipchains rules. |
| 08:53.11 | PerfDave | asdf__: Create the account with the same name, use vipw to copy the shadow passwor from the first machine to the second. |
| 08:53.18 | karsten | polok: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2004-12/msg00099.html |
| 08:53.26 | polok | karsten: done, thanks :) |
| 08:53.31 | dbernar1 | do I install ntp, and then add a server? |
| 08:53.36 | MobyTurbo | liable: that's the testing d-is, he should run Sarge's, etch's d-i is currently broken. |
| 08:53.45 | Guerin | dbernar1: ntpdate should work ootb |
| 08:53.47 | PerfDave | asdf__: Uhm, not vipw, you have to examine /etc/shadow manually |
| 08:53.47 | asdf__ | PerfDave: I do but I don't want to copy one machine's shadow on to the other as is because it the machines shouldn't/don't have the same user accounts |
| 08:54.00 | liable | MobyTurbo: oh, bad link, dunnp how old that link is :P |
| 08:54.04 | karsten | polok: 'gid=104' is prolly supposed to be a 'floppy' group or similar. |
| 08:54.05 | TBBle | gizmo71: Uh, no, it shouldn't matter which order your packages are listed for apt-get install, it should come out the same. I think. |
| 08:54.10 | PerfDave | asdf__: You can just copy the relevant enty for the user in question |
| 08:54.20 | PerfDave | s/enty/entry/ |
| 08:54.20 | karsten | dbernar1: ntp-simple IIRC is what you want. |
| 08:54.41 | deepan | karsten: i dont have any file named ipchain in my computer.. |
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| 08:54.45 | karsten | PerfDave: vipw -s |
| 08:54.54 | karsten | deepan: My bad. iptables. |
| 08:54.59 | asdf__ | PerfDave: oh and it will just work eh? nice. I get the error that shadow is a read only file though...what's that? |
| 08:55.02 | karsten | deepan: Too many different Linux FW tools... |
| 08:55.03 | cello_rasp | liable: I don't get this AT ALL. I'm installing sarge from net mirrors because I don't have a cd drive. Is your advice to do just that or am I misunderstanding? |
| 08:55.06 | gizmo71 | TBBle: ok i have the problem right now :) |
| 08:55.23 | TBBle | gizmo71: Weird. Beats me. Soz. |
| 08:55.36 | dbernar1 | that it did. |
| 08:55.41 | asdf__ | PerfDave: ah, oping it with vipw doesn't give me this error |
| 08:55.42 | dbernar1 | ntpdate fixed it... |
| 08:55.42 | deepan | karsten: i flushed iptables.. |
| 08:55.44 | gizmo71 | TBBle: should i email someone and who if i should? |
| 08:55.47 | liable | cello_rasp: well, if you are installing purely from net, then you need to fix your network problem, whatever it is. |
| 08:55.48 | asdf__ | PerfDave: thanks! |
| 08:55.49 | deepan | but it does not help karsten |
| 08:56.08 | liable | cello_rasp: yes I was misunderstanding... |
| 08:56.13 | PerfDave | asdf__: Use vipw -s, as karsten suggested :) |
| 08:56.18 | cello_rasp | liable: it is not a netwrok problem if it is stalling at the same downlkoad on diff mirrors at diff times |
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| 08:56.32 | cello_rasp | but nice try on blaming it on that |
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| 08:56.59 | scorpio | hola |
| 08:57.04 | karsten | deepan: I'm not an iptables expert. However, blocking pings will result in your not being able to ping a box. |
| 08:57.11 | asdf__ | my vipw doesn't take an '-s' arg, only -V :) |
| 08:57.16 | karsten | deepan: Bad routing's another option. Misconfigured NICs. |
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| 08:57.24 | karsten | deepan: ... eg: IPs on two different networks. |
| 08:57.25 | asdf__ | at least that's what man vipw gives me |
| 08:57.34 | karsten | deepan: Bad gateways... |
| 08:57.45 | deepan | routing is proper and gateways also proper.. |
| 08:57.49 | deepan | soem problem in my comp |
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| 08:58.20 | ma3x | any idea howto alt+tab in fluxbox |
| 08:58.25 | liable | cello_rasp: well dont install the sucker then.. |
| 08:58.40 | karsten | deepan: Check cables, seating. |
| 08:58.40 | PerfDave | asdf__: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 08:58.45 | asdf__ | vipw doesn't take an -s option and it opens the /etc/passwd file, not /etc/shadow |
| 08:58.49 | karsten | deepan: ... swap out cabling if necessary. |
| 08:58.50 | dbernar1 | is there openssh? |
| 08:58.54 | cello_rasp | liable: hahahah what a solution you are a debian genius!! |
| 08:59.09 | SNow | I tried, But i Can't Find normal u know ;] |
| 08:59.15 | karsten | dbernar1: Debian's ssh *is* openssh. |
| 08:59.17 | liable | cello_rasp: yes thank you, and for someone asking for help, you are quite rude. |
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| 08:59.19 | karsten | @u |
| 08:59.20 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:59.21 | cello_rasp | Does anyone in here know how to read and doesn't jump to comclusions and has some idea about debian? |
| 08:59.24 | dbernar1 | ah |
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| 08:59.35 | karsten | cello_rasp: No. |
| 08:59.40 | asdf__ | asdf__: erm...these are not debian machines. I use debian on my workstation but these generic linux installations (LFS or something) |
| 08:59.45 | PerfDave | cello_rasp: Don't be silly, this is IRC :) |
| 08:59.50 | cello_rasp | liable: don't offer help if you can't give it :) |
| 08:59.54 | PerfDave | asdf__: Oh, for fuck's sake. #lfs |
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| 09:00.06 | TBBle | cello_rasp: Will you take two from three? |
| 09:00.24 | asdf__ | PerfDave: I apologise, I am used to asking in here because I run debian myself |
| 09:00.39 | Guerin | cello_rasp: are you using debootstrap? Is that what you mean by 'netinstall'? |
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| 09:01.16 | cello_rasp | my apologies, Guerin. I am using debootstrap, NOT a netinstall _disk_ |
| 09:01.32 | Guerin | ok |
| 09:01.43 | Guerin | cello_rasp: what precise debootstrap line are you using? |
| 09:01.57 | deepan | how do i insert a rule in iptables to accept all |
| 09:01.59 | cello_rasp | explain "line"? |
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| 09:02.07 | Guerin | cello_rasp: what command do you run from the cli |
| 09:02.08 | karsten | deepan: Flushing iptables will do that. |
| 09:02.08 | t3 | I've been running debian unstable now for years but this last release has really messed me up. I cant even get kde started. Does anybody know what is going on???? |
| 09:02.14 | karsten | cello_rasp: command invocation. |
| 09:02.19 | Guerin | cello_rasp: debootstrap sarge badgers |
| 09:02.20 | Guerin | etc |
| 09:02.30 | karsten | apt: tell t3 about smart questions |
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| 09:02.45 | cello_rasp | Guerin: I invoked using boot floppy, so no commands |
| 09:03.12 | t3 | karsten: well, you tell me??? |
| 09:03.18 | mihai_ | where can i find out what packages/version are installed on my computer? |
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| 09:03.30 | karsten | t3: Describe what's wrong. Commands and error messages. |
| 09:03.35 | Guerin | cello_rasp: oh, ok. The woody floppies probably won't woork without hackery, because woody is no longer stable. What precise set of bootfloppies are you using? |
| 09:03.41 | ma3x | where can i learn what the short written permissions mean, like rwxrwxr-x for eg. |
| 09:03.45 | karsten | mihai_: dpkg --get-selections for packages. |
| 09:03.46 | cello_rasp | Guerin: stable (sarge) |
| 09:03.53 | karsten | mihai_: versions is a tad difficult. |
| 09:03.59 | Guerin | mihai_: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
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| 09:04.03 | Guerin | no it's not |
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| 09:04.10 | deepan | karsten: i did flush.. before |
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| 09:04.14 | Guerin | mihai_: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 09:04.14 | karsten | mihai_: ... but 'dpkg -l' gets close |
| 09:04.19 | karsten | Guerin: ... modulo line length and truncation. |
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| 09:04.26 | Guerin | karsten: right. |
| 09:04.32 | karsten | deepan: I'd suggest it's not iptables then. |
| 09:04.36 | pablum | ma3x, man chmod (and other man pages) |
| 09:04.51 | Guerin | cello_rasp: and can you simply bypass the automatic install and get a shell? |
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| 09:05.00 | karsten | ma3x: r == read w == write x == execute. |
| 09:05.13 | Guerin | i've never used bootfloppies, but i know debootstrap |
| 09:05.14 | karsten | ma3x: owner | group | other are the three octets. |
| 09:05.15 | cello_rasp | Guerin: I can. Busybox |
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| 09:05.24 | PerfDave | t3: You're running unstable. It's unstable. If you can't deal with that, through having a great amount of Debian skill and Linux knowledge (and keeping an eye on dthe BTS, debian-devel-nnounce and maybe even debian-devel itself), don't run unstable :) |
| 09:05.27 | karsten | Guerin: Sounds like s/he might be using a seed. |
| 09:05.39 | t3 | karsten: I Just downloaded all the latest updates for unstable debian. XWindows works but only with TWM which is what I am using now. I get no real error messages. When I go to /etc/init.d and give the command ./kde start, nothing happens |
| 09:05.42 | Guerin | cello_rasp: excellent. so run debootstrap manually from the cli and see what changes |
| 09:05.45 | karsten | t3: What PerfDave said, but more so. |
| 09:05.50 | ma3x | karsten so how do i know the number of a specific permission |
| 09:05.53 | t3 | PerDave: Even experts can use a little help!!!!!! |
| 09:05.58 | karsten | ma3x: man chmod ;-) |
| 09:06.00 | Guerin | t3: run /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 09:06.08 | fhffhqvb | !ep |
| 09:06.10 | karsten | ma3x: 1 = x 2 = r 4 = w |
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| 09:06.20 | Guerin | t3: or run startx /usr/bin/startkde; from a user shell |
| 09:06.25 | karsten | t3: less /var/log/messages |
| 09:06.29 | karsten | t3: .. and /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 09:06.33 | Guerin | fhffhqvb: badgers in da house? |
| 09:06.41 | t3 | Guerin: did that, nothing happens and no error messages.... |
| 09:06.42 | karsten | Guerin: Ssssnnnnaaaaakkkkkeeeee |
| 09:06.44 | PerfDave | t3: Have you checked the BTS? Do you understand *why* unstable is in its current state? |
| 09:06.46 | fhffhqvb | Guerin: i'd have to update the database. |
| 09:06.57 | Guerin | fhffhqvb: aww, poor badgers |
| 09:07.01 | pablum | mushroom MUSHROOM!! |
| 09:07.08 | Guerin | t3: you lie |
| 09:07.13 | cello_rasp | Guerin: What would be "target?" |
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| 09:07.37 | ma3x | karsten : still can't figure out. for eg rwxrwxr-x how do you know it's 002? |
| 09:07.39 | karsten | cello_rasp: install directory. |
| 09:07.44 | t3 | Guerin: Thanks, I will try startkde.... Havent tried that one yet. Hasnt anybody else been messed up by the new xorg???? |
| 09:07.44 | Guerin | cello_rasp: there you want to install it. so /mnt/debian or something |
| 09:07.52 | karsten | cello_rasp: IIRC you may need to specify it absolutely, not relative. |
| 09:07.53 | fhffhqvb | ~seen dpkg |
| 09:07.54 | apt | dpkg <~dpkg@dpkg.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 42d 6h 38m 15s ago, saying: 'Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from ... |
| 09:07.59 | fhffhqvb | err |
| 09:08.00 | Guerin | t3: not me, it's all working perfectly on four different machines for me. |
| 09:08.01 | MobyTurbo | ma3x: think binary |
| 09:08.10 | karsten | fhffhqvb: dpkg is on holiday. |
| 09:08.17 | ma3x | MobyTurbo : explain please |
| 09:08.18 | Guerin | but not for 42 days |
| 09:08.30 | streuner | t3: what does BTS say? |
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| 09:08.35 | PerfDave | t3: Other people read the BTS and knew how not to fuck it up ;) |
| 09:08.37 | Guerin | yeah, init scripts don't run with relative paths |
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| 09:09.10 | hcy | are there any compatibility issues for pcmcia wireless cards, with debian? i'm thinking of buying one off ebay for my laptop |
| 09:09.18 | Guerin | or, they do, but they don't always do what you want them to |
| 09:09.30 | Guerin | hcy: not with debian; with linux. |
| 09:09.32 | MobyTurbo | ma3x: the permissions displayed by "ls -l" are three binary numbers, which translated to octal is what chmod uses. (Well, chmod has the "easy" stuff like u+w too, but that's another story.) |
| 09:09.32 | t3 | streuner: BTS???? |
| 09:09.33 | cello_rasp | Guerin: I still don't understand. I am starting from fresh with an blank disk. Is itn safe to install to root or should /mnt/debian really work? |
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| 09:09.45 | streuner | !btssmite t3 |
| 09:09.49 | Guerin | cello_rasp: you have to mount the hard drive |
| 09:09.55 | hcy | Guerin: ok, what does that mean? will it work? |
| 09:09.55 | MobyTurbo | ma3x: plus there's also the "sticky bit" |
| 09:10.00 | streuner | t3: well, /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:10.05 | Guerin | cello_rasp: it might already be mounted; 'mount -f' will tell you if and where |
| 09:10.10 | karsten | hcy: I've run into the stray card that didn't work. |
| 09:10.12 | Guerin | hcy: depends on the card |
| 09:10.23 | Guerin | hcy: i don't know which ones do and don't, though. |
| 09:10.28 | hcy | Guerin, karsten: ok, is there a list? |
| 09:10.33 | streuner | dpkg, wake up |
| 09:10.43 | Guerin | hcy: try the HCLs by redhat and mandrake |
| 09:10.45 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 09:10.45 | apt | hello, streuner |
| 09:10.46 | karsten | hcy: The PCMCI config files *are* pretty much a list of cards. |
| 09:10.49 | Guerin | it's the same kernel, mostly |
| 09:10.56 | karsten | hcy: Linksys and DLink generally play nice. |
| 09:10.57 | streuner | t3: use apt instead... |
| 09:11.12 | hcy | karsten: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6786323711&category=42196&rd=1 |
| 09:11.37 | MobyTurbo | or use ravenbird |
| 09:11.46 | dbernar1 | How would I set up my computer to boot into gdm? I installed gdm with apt. |
| 09:11.46 | MobyTurbo | @test |
| 09:11.46 | ravenbird | mobyturbo: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 09:12.04 | t3 | streuner: I use a combination of dselect and dpkg... |
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| 09:12.21 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of fhffhqvb) |
| 09:12.24 | hcy | karsten: think that one would work? |
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| 09:12.41 | MobyTurbo | dbernar1: Debian will install it automatically |
| 09:12.43 | fhffhqvb | !berserker |
| 09:12.48 | fhffhqvb | !test |
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| 09:12.53 | fhffhqvb | erm. |
| 09:13.08 | lanchow | i have a problem, on my external disk ext3/firewire, i have a file. if i do ls or rm: error I/O, then no more 'write mode' for the entire disk, any idea ? |
| 09:13.29 | Guerin | lanchow: might be a bad link, hardware failure, or a corrupt filesystem |
| 09:13.31 | fhffhqvb | !test |
| 09:13.32 | badgers | Yes, fhffhqvb, you're still online. |
| 09:13.35 | Guerin | arr |
| 09:13.41 | cello_rasp | Guerin: no hd0 is not mounted, just tmpfs, /proc, devfs and /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 . How do I mount it to install to it? |
| 09:13.49 | Guerin | badgers is in da house |
| 09:13.50 | badgers | Guerin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 09:13.51 | dbernar1 | MobyTurbo: are you trying to say when I boot it does that already? |
| 09:13.54 | fhffhqvb | !status |
| 09:13.54 | badgers | Since Wed Jul 20 09:11:30 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 2 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2m 24s this session, and currently reference 24859 factoids. I'm using about 15232 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. |
| 09:14.01 | hcy | lanchow: try doing fsck on the disk |
| 09:14.16 | lanchow | ok fsck thank you |
| 09:14.20 | karsten | hcy: Got a model name on that? |
| 09:14.23 | MobyTurbo | dbernar1: it should |
| 09:14.28 | Guerin | cello_rasp: is it partitioned and formatted? if so, how and what filesystem? |
| 09:14.30 | fhffhqvb | in soviet russia, disk fscks you |
| 09:14.31 | hcy | lanchow: i used to get stuff like that with my external firewire disks, |
| 09:14.32 | karsten | hcy: Best bet is to google model + linux and see what pops up. |
| 09:14.53 | karsten | fhffhqvb: In Korea, only old people fsck disks. |
| 09:14.57 | hcy | karsten: yeah but i don't really see the model name, that's the problem. is the company called WLAN or is that a generic name? |
| 09:15.03 | cello_rasp | Guerin: / is ext3, primary partition. separate swap partition |
| 09:15.18 | aeronadix | karsten, my installation of ie is frozen, wierd |
| 09:15.23 | Guerin | cello_rasp: ok, so mkdir /mnt/debian |
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| 09:15.28 | dbernar1 | MobyTurbo: you sure? cause I am pretty sure it dont...anyhow, I did not get x with the install... |
| 09:15.28 | karsten | hcy: wlan == wavelan. I think that's generic. |
| 09:15.34 | karsten | aeronadix: Where at? |
| 09:15.48 | karsten | aeronadix: You need WINE's fake boot utility. |
| 09:15.50 | cello_rasp | Guerin: done |
| 09:15.55 | Guerin | cello_rasp: then mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/debian # presuming your / partition is /dev/hda1 |
| 09:16.07 | liable | 2 |
| 09:16.10 | hcy | lanchow: it would happen to me if one of my other firewire things suddenly shut off, if i remember correctly. I have an external dvd burner, also firewire. if the power cut out, all my other firewire disks would turn read-only. I solved the problem by putting the burner on my ups along with everything else. overloading the ups, but so what. |
| 09:16.14 | aeronadix | karsten: setting up internet explorer 6. I installed wine, and then ran the script from shareeza site |
| 09:16.21 | _JakubS | hello |
| 09:16.34 | karsten | aeronadix: URL on that? It's been a while |
| 09:16.47 | hcy | karsten: it's just called "802.11b Wireless 32-Bit Cardbus PCMCIA Card" |
| 09:16.49 | dbernar1 | MobyTurbo: and I just had to install gdm, dont you select it anywhere? |
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| 09:17.04 | MobyTurbo | dbernar1: if you apt-get a *dm it will automaticallly deposit scripts to run it in all the run levels. |
| 09:17.19 | aeronadix | karsen: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.htm;l |
| 09:17.20 | _JakubS | how do i recompile kernel so it won't interfere with packages system? the only change from standard debian kernel i need is enabling NAPI for tulip network driver (i'm making 4-way bridge/router on dec cards) |
| 09:17.25 | MobyTurbo | well, all but single and reboot/shutdown. :-) |
| 09:17.26 | dbernar1 | so reboot, then...ok, thanks. |
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| 09:17.31 | aeronadix | karsten: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.htm;l |
| 09:17.47 | possie | some piece of software i'm using is trying to load libz.so.0 now i looked at the debian package site, and testing only has libz.so.1 can i just symlink libz.so.0 to libz.so.1 or would that be really dirty? |
| 09:17.59 | aeronadix | karsten: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html |
| 09:18.02 | lanchow | hcy: ERREUR lors de la scrutation de inodes (180224): Can't read next inode |
| 09:18.03 | karsten | hcy: Given that I can't see specs on that unit, I'd pass on it. |
| 09:18.21 | hcy | can somebody identify the brand-name based on the pic? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6786323711&category=42196&rd=1 |
| 09:18.36 | cello_rasp | Guerin: mounting hda* on /mnt/debian fails "no such file/directory" I created /mnt/debian |
| 09:18.42 | karsten | hcy: ...or Google wlan <etc> and look for a similar item. It's a bit of a crapshoot. |
| 09:18.47 | ValheruLord | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.47 | ValheruLord | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `hd0,0' |
| 09:18.50 | hcy | karsten: ok |
| 09:18.51 | ValheruLord | whatta hell is this |
| 09:19.14 | MobyTurbo | ValheruLord: grub-install '(hd0,0)' |
| 09:19.19 | hcy | lanchow: there's your problem - your disk just never learned to read french :P |
| 09:19.21 | MobyTurbo | ValheruLord: single-quote it |
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| 09:19.31 | karsten | aeronadix: OK, that looks like the same site I got stuff from... |
| 09:19.44 | Guerin | cello_rasp: try mounting it elsewhere |
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| 09:19.51 | lanchow | :p |
| 09:19.52 | karsten | aeronadix: 'which wineboot'. Got anything there? |
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| 09:20.02 | ValheruLord | MobyTurbo, what? |
| 09:20.13 | karsten | aeronadix: ... what *should* happen after you run the script is you get MSFT dialogs for downloading a bunch of crud to your system. Yes or no. |
| 09:20.25 | karsten | aeronadix: I did this on dialup, it's about 45min d/l there. |
| 09:20.42 | MobyTurbo | ValheruLord: the parentheses are being interpreted by the shell, use the quotes to prevent that. |
| 09:20.51 | asdf__ | PerfDave: that machine wasn't running lfs, it is redhat enterpirise AS. I can't believe someone paid $1000+ for this junk with lousy support |
| 09:21.09 | Guerin | asdf__: believe it |
| 09:21.15 | cello_rasp | Guerin: agasin, no such file or directory. what is the partitioning tool I could use to check the part loc is correct? |
| 09:21.19 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Can't grub-install take /dev/hda type options rather than GRUB device specs? |
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| 09:21.32 | aeronadix | karsten, Maybe the script is old and the link to download from isn't working and thats where it freezes |
| 09:21.34 | jm_ | sure it can |
| 09:21.35 | Guerin | cello_rasp: do you have a /dev/hdax? |
| 09:21.37 | liable | cello_rasp: mount -t ext3 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 /mnt/debian |
| 09:21.42 | dbernar1 | ok, ya, that worked, good. |
| 09:22.01 | MobyTurbo | karsten: I think it can do either one. Check the manpage, since grub-install only needs to be run once I don't recall. :-) |
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| 09:22.14 | karsten | MobyTurbo: s/manpage/info/ :-( |
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| 09:22.30 | PerfDave | asdf__: Phone up RedHat, ask them how to do it might as well get your money's worth ;) |
| 09:22.38 | MobyTurbo | karsten: bleah, infopages. |
| 09:22.53 | karsten | MobyTurbo: :-) |
| 09:22.54 | Asprin | hey guys i'm trying to connect to a windows share, i used smbclient -L host and i get timeout connecting to 172.16.0.105:445 |
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| 09:23.05 | MobyTurbo | karsten: at any rate, I told him how to make it work. |
| 09:23.16 | asdf__ | PerfDave: they will run out of business soon. their product sucks in my humble opinion |
| 09:23.26 | fhffhqvb | Asprin: wrong port, innit? |
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| 09:23.35 | asdf__ | PerfDave: it is not my server :) |
| 09:23.40 | Asprin | hmm i dont know, i thought it was 445 for a windows share? |
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| 09:24.08 | PerfDave | asdf__: Hmm, I don't think they'll be going out of business any time soon. They're a trusted brand name with big-name vendor support. |
| 09:24.08 | hcy | karsten: does wireless support need to be compiled in the kernel? if so, how can i check if it was? |
| 09:24.13 | karsten | geggeri: Don'g /msg and stop being an ass. |
| 09:24.17 | dds | anyone here a GNU screen user? I'm having problems with it and xterm rendering fonts, possibly something screwy with my termcap... |
| 09:24.22 | fhffhqvb | Asprin: 139 |
| 09:24.29 | SNow | Hi guys, who can tell me a good/cheap dedicated servers provider which accepts egold payments ?! |
| 09:24.30 | karsten | hcy: basic PCMCIA support for most cards is modular and in stock Debian kernels. |
| 09:24.36 | karsten | dds: Shoot. |
| 09:24.44 | karsten | SNow: Google, same as last time |
| 09:25.12 | Asprin | hmm, it's working now for some strange reason, ok how do i specify the user@domain part ? i know you can do -U username -L host but what about username@domain ? |
| 09:25.15 | MobyTurbo | SNow: what does that have to do with #debian? |
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| 09:25.43 | karsten | Asprin: IIRC it's a quirky Windows thing... |
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| 09:25.59 | af_ | there is a sarge version with 2.4.30? |
| 09:25.59 | karsten | Asprin: '/user//domain/' or something. |
| 09:25.59 | cello_rasp | Cool, it's validating. md5sum I/O error. Wc std input, I/O error. "retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary_i386_packages". Now checking. |
| 09:26.02 | dds | karsten, well it's kind of like I just said. I've been debugging this for a few hours and I'm just frustrated with no progress. I tried diffing the environment variable settings when I have an xterm that displays the characters correctly with when it doesn't and I couldn't see any other possibility than the TERMCAP setting. |
| 09:26.03 | cello_rasp | brb |
| 09:26.10 | dthomaso | i want to mirror two hdd:s using software raid, i've created the raidtab file |
| 09:26.11 | dds | the other ones are all standard env variables |
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| 09:26.16 | dthomaso | if i run mkraid, will it blow all the contents of the discs or will it simply mirror them? |
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| 09:26.48 | cello_rasp | liable: that mount parameter was just what i needed, thank you ! :) |
| 09:26.53 | MobyTurbo | af_: no |
| 09:26.56 | dds | it's hard finding docs for this because I do a lot of work in Japanese but I want to keep my locale set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 09:27.09 | aeronadix | karsten, woohooo its working now, for some reason when I tried to install ie alone it froze but the second try I selected ie & wmp and it worked |
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| 09:27.29 | aeronadix | karsten, wait it frooze again |
| 09:27.29 | dds | all of the Japanese docs I can find on the subject basically say set your locale to Japanese before starting X, which is not what I want to do... |
| 09:27.32 | karsten | dds: You're using screen locally or on a remote system? |
| 09:27.48 | aeronadix | karsten, it just made it a couple step further this time |
| 09:27.50 | karsten | dds: FWIW, I use rxvt mostly. You might try that or a modern, UTF-8-capable term |
| 09:27.54 | dds | karsten, locally, as a terminal multiplexer. Tight on memory so don't want a terminal emulator bigger than rxvt. |
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| 09:28.30 | karsten | aeronadix: Define "freeze". And are you _certain_ nothing's happening? |
| 09:28.32 | dds | karsten, specifically I'm using rxvt-unicode from http://software.schmorp.de/ |
| 09:28.40 | karsten | dds: rxvt's smaller than xterm, FWIW. |
| 09:28.47 | dds | karsten, yep, I'm with you on that :) |
| 09:28.52 | karsten | dds: I'm using rxvt-unicode myself. |
| 09:28.58 | karsten | dds: ...here and now, as in this irssi session. |
| 09:29.01 | anhi | am i the only one who thinks a weekly newsletter (DWN) should come out every week? |
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| 09:29.02 | dds | I was just saying xterm because the questions are really related to screen |
| 09:29.17 | dds | karsten, are you trying to display any kanji with it? |
| 09:29.20 | karsten | dds: Dig. |
| 09:29.23 | ma3x | after deinstalling KDE, i use fluxbox |
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| 09:29.31 | karsten | dds: Not as a general rule ;-) |
| 09:29.36 | dds | karsten, I know it can do it, but I believe the problem is in screen somewhere, hence my line of questioning |
| 09:29.38 | ma3x | I have now many KDE stuff left in the menus of fluxbox |
| 09:29.43 | ma3x | like kmail, and 100 applications |
| 09:29.47 | ma3x | how do i rm' them from the menus |
| 09:29.53 | ma3x | update-menus didn't work |
| 09:29.58 | hashar | ma3x> uninstall the applications ? |
| 09:30.04 | karsten | dds: My font's the 7x13 |
| 09:30.13 | maxxle | Can I tell wget where to store files? nothing found in ma wget - Or is wget http://www.google.de/index.html > /tmp/myFile the only solution? |
| 09:30.13 | liable | anhi: apparently common sense doesnt really play a part in publishing, there a several magazines here called * weekly, that come out monthly. Go figure. |
| 09:30.16 | ma3x | i already uninstalled them with synaptic |
| 09:30.26 | aeronadix | karsten, well it started up again automatically. the windows install dialog box become a blurr and the shell running it shows no action ie-freeze |
| 09:30.32 | karsten | ma3x: Restart fluxbox, possibly reload it. |
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| 09:30.43 | karsten | ma3x: It may not dynamically reset its menus |
| 09:30.53 | dds | karsten, I have font lines using the xft prefix for Kochi Gothic (for Japanese) and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, and like I said, without screen in the mix, rxvt-unicode is displaying the characters fine. |
| 09:31.08 | karsten | aeronadix: The script _should_ retry automatically some number of times. It's all bash, you can read it. |
| 09:31.09 | ma3x | karsten : i'll try to reload it, since restart didn't work |
| 09:31.20 | zignig | karsten: bleh! |
| 09:31.23 | aeronadix | karsten, you are the man, it working this time |
| 09:31.24 | karsten | dds: What's $TERM from w/in screen? |
| 09:31.28 | karsten | zignig: Bleh! |
| 09:31.40 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 09:31.52 | liable | @hi tombs |
| 09:31.52 | ravenbird | Many greetings, tombs, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 09:32.13 | ma3x | karsten i killed it and started again, but no better results |
| 09:32.15 | aeronadix | karsten, so whats the deal, if I have a windows computer at home then I can install ie on my linux computer with that same license? |
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| 09:32.21 | Cerberus | hello |
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| 09:32.33 | dds | karsten, TERM=screen |
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| 09:33.12 | hcy | karsten: can you take a peak at this and tell me if there's a brandname/modelname on this one? thanks. http://images.auctionworks.com/fullView.asp?img=http://images.marketworks.com/hi/64/63662/980143-3.jpg |
| 09:33.14 | karsten | aeronadix: NFC. |
| 09:33.22 | Cerberus | I'm haviong resolution problems on my laptop, i JUST got debian installed and xf86config wont resolve it, any ideas? |
| 09:33.22 | karsten | aeronadix: ...though I've got a stray WinNT license around here, not used. |
| 09:33.27 | aeronadix | karsten, I have a felling the ie is gonna work. I wierd that netscape from the website, and the linux mozilla is exactly the same. I thought netscape being from a proprietary compant would work for sure |
| 09:33.44 | aeronadix | karsten: NFC? |
| 09:33.47 | Guerin | cello_rasp: i/o error == disk problems |
| 09:34.03 | hcy | karsten: this one's even cheaper than the last one (only 2 dollars) |
| 09:34.08 | karsten | apt: nfc |
| 09:34.08 | apt | well, nfc is No Fucking Clue |
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| 09:34.27 | karsten | aeronadix: ?? |
| 09:34.32 | deadcat | hcy: looks like a fucking acx111 or acx100 |
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| 09:34.51 | aeronadix | karsten, I got it. It says that on the shareeza site, thats all, but who cares |
| 09:34.58 | hcy | deadcat: is that bad? |
| 09:34.58 | deadcat | althought it might be a prism though |
| 09:35.16 | deadcat | hcy: acx100 is ok.. but prism would be the best choice |
| 09:35.16 | ma3x | how can i reload flux box? |
| 09:35.16 | hcy | deadcat: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6785380508&category=74954&rd=1 |
| 09:35.18 | cello_rasp | Guerin: here we go, lots of disk use at "couldn't download modutils" |
| 09:35.24 | cello_rasp | and then it dies |
| 09:35.29 | dds | karsten, if you don't want to screw with this, don't bother. Just sucks shooting at it randomly. |
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| 09:35.36 | karsten | hcy: Google the FCC ID. |
| 09:35.41 | karsten | hcy: That's specific to the MFR. |
| 09:35.41 | Guerin | cello_rasp: replace disk |
| 09:35.48 | Guerin | cello_rasp: and/or run badblocks on it |
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| 09:35.59 | karsten | dds: yeah, I'm pretty much at a loss. |
| 09:36.02 | ma3x | anybody knows how to reload fluxbox? |
| 09:36.03 | cello_rasp | thanks, i'll run badblocks |
| 09:36.14 | karsten | hcy: The card itself looks pretty no-name to me. |
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| 09:36.17 | dds | karsten, thanks anyway, though |
| 09:36.28 | deadcat | hcy: fuck it. shipping is $11. you can find one without shipping for a cheaper deal |
| 09:36.37 | karsten | ma3x: man fluxbox. *maybe* kill -HUP or kill -USR1 on the PID, though that may kill it. |
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| 09:36.43 | cello_rasp | Guerin: what command do i need to run badblocks? |
| 09:36.53 | karsten | cello_rasp: 'badblocks' |
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| 09:36.56 | hcy | deadcat: really? how much do they sell for in stores? |
| 09:37.08 | cello_rasp | badblocks not found :( |
| 09:37.09 | deadcat | hcy: where you live? |
| 09:37.09 | Guerin | cello_rasp: it won't be on the busybox, you'll need to put the drive in another box, most likely |
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| 09:37.24 | hcy | deadcat: Israel. but i'll be in canada in about a month. |
| 09:37.59 | hcy | deadcat: are they that cheap? |
| 09:38.05 | deadcat | hcy: damn i dont know. i live in ca,usa where i can use craigslist.org to buy stuff from locals |
| 09:38.33 | llama32 | ich mag Glas- und Rauchkinder essen |
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| 09:38.36 | deadcat | hcy: ya. i bought orinoco card at $5 or $8 i dont remember |
| 09:39.02 | hcy | deadcat: wow, ok, i guess i'll wait |
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| 09:39.28 | cello_rasp | Guerin: well, now I know what the problem is but I don't know how to get bad blacks running. How do I get a different box? |
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| 09:39.58 | SNow | guys, what do you suggest to do, when you get Ddosed? |
| 09:39.59 | SNow | on debian |
| 09:40.13 | deadcat | SNow: you live with it |
| 09:40.17 | geggeri | FUCKING GAY KARSTEN ILL IGNORE YOU!!1 |
| 09:40.21 | Guerin | cello_rasp: you only have one computer? HAHAHA |
| 09:40.30 | Guerin | geggeri: please to not being a fucktard. |
| 09:40.32 | deadcat | karsten: what the hell you do now? |
| 09:40.35 | cello_rasp | I am quite inexperienced with debian installation :( |
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| 09:40.51 | cello_rasp | oh, by "box" you mean computer. |
| 09:41.11 | karsten | deadcat: At the moment, not much. |
| 09:41.12 | karsten | deadcat: Starting next week, markedly more. |
| 09:41.14 | cello_rasp | the name busybox was misleading |
| 09:41.28 | deadcat | karsten: haha. i meant that moron's comment ^^^ |
| 09:41.29 | geggeri | karsten ping me all time and say "testing" |
| 09:41.33 | geggeri | WTF testinf |
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| 09:41.51 | Draconicus | GODDAMNIT |
| 09:42.02 | Draconicus | CAMORAMA JUST SPONTANEOUSLY CRASHED AND BROKE THE VIDEO MODULE |
| 09:42.11 | karsten | deadcat: Um. Context? |
| 09:42.15 | Draconicus | Thanks, llama person. |
| 09:42.28 | Draconicus | My computer is named llama... o.O |
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| 09:42.50 | deadcat | Draconicus: you have quite an imagination |
| 09:42.53 | cello_rasp | does anyone know of any recovery disks that include tools for bad block deallocation? |
| 09:43.04 | karsten | Guerin: He's been screwing around all night. Was on as dpkg earlier. |
| 09:43.12 | karsten | cello_rasp: Likely Knoppix. |
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| 09:43.32 | Draconicus | deadcat: Well, camorama crashed just as I was about to take a picture. Then the video module stopped working. Perhaps it was the modules fault. |
| 09:43.35 | petemc | cello_rasp: http://ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 09:43.41 | liable | cello_rasp: non-cd? |
| 09:44.00 | cello_rasp | liable: floppy is most helpful ! |
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| 09:44.43 | Draconicus | Grr... I'll have to reboot. Something in here is messing things up so bad that XPAINT crashed. |
| 09:44.46 | GreyS | HI, because of what mistake -> __find_get_block_slow |
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| 09:45.14 | Shaun | anybody know how i can get the exit code of a problem when i run it by hand from the CLI |
| 09:45.32 | jm_ | Shaun: yes, many people know |
| 09:46.12 | liable | cello_rasp: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
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| 09:47.02 | cello_rasp | Thanks liable. I hope that one day, Debian installer will scan for and deallocate bad blocks |
| 09:47.06 | fhffhqvb | here's a llama, there's a llama and a little llama |
| 09:47.15 | Shaun | jm_: glad you could through in your ignorance. |
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| 09:47.18 | Guerin | cello_rasp: that's not an installer's job or prerogative |
| 09:47.23 | llama32 | fhffhqvb: have you ever seen a llama? |
| 09:47.31 | fhffhqvb | llama32: kiss a llama on the llama |
| 09:47.32 | llama32 | fhffhqvb: kiss a llama on the llama |
| 09:47.35 | llama32 | hehe |
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| 09:47.41 | llama32 | llama's llama |
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| 09:47.44 | llama32 | cheesecake llama |
| 09:47.50 | fhffhqvb | farmer llama |
| 09:47.57 | llama32 | alarm a llama |
| 09:48.01 | llama32 | im lost after there |
| 09:48.02 | fhffhqvb | llama in a car |
| 09:48.07 | jm_ | that's always a pleasure |
| 09:48.17 | llama32 | skip... |
| 09:48.21 | llama32 | i was once a treehouse |
| 09:48.25 | cello_rasp | Guerin: no, but it should happen as part of the partitioning/formatting process |
| 09:48.25 | fhffhqvb | i lived in a cake |
| 09:48.25 | llama32 | i lived in a cake |
| 09:48.30 | fhffhqvb | but i never saw the way |
| 09:48.32 | fhffhqvb | the orange slayed the rake |
| 09:48.41 | fhffhqvb | i was only three years dead |
| 09:48.44 | fhffhqvb | but i told the tale |
| 09:48.45 | llama32 | but it told a tale |
| 09:48.49 | llama32 | and now listen little child |
| 09:48.52 | fhffhqvb | come on now, little child, to the safety rail |
| 09:48.54 | llama32 | to the safety rail |
| 09:49.08 | llama32 | our memories differ i see |
| 09:49.08 | Guerin | cello_rasp: too much bloat, too much time |
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| 09:49.50 | llama32 | ich mag Glas- und Rauchkinder essen |
| 09:50.14 | fhffhqvb | !dachs llama32 |
| 09:50.15 | badgers | llama32: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 09:50.36 | jan_ | Where can I find the xcompmgr package for Debian ? It's for the Xorg eyecandy |
| 09:50.41 | cello_rasp | It is as standard when formatting disks using DOS' format. Possibly it could be optional but I do think it should be there. |
| 09:50.52 | gaybot | ciao a tuttiii O_o |
| 09:50.54 | liable | jan_: not available yet |
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| 09:50.59 | gaybot | gays ?!?!?! |
| 09:51.06 | gaybot | :P (__o__) |
| 09:51.11 | jan_ | liable: oh, ok .. source here we come :) |
| 09:51.14 | llama32 | :o |
| 09:51.16 | fhffhqvb | mreh. |
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| 09:52.25 | fhffhqvb | !ops geggeri aka gaybot being annoying |
| 09:52.42 | fhffhqvb | hm |
| 09:52.46 | Draconicus | Here's a llama, there's a llama, little llama, llama, llama. Fuzzy llama, funny llama, llama, llama, duck. Llama, llama, cheesecake, llama, llama, brick, potato, llama, something llama, llama, llama, llama, llama, duck. I was once a treehouse, I lived in a cake, but I never saw the way the orange slayed the rake. Is it something something something? Is it all so old? Is it made of lemon juice? Doorknob, ankle, cold. I was on |
| 09:52.46 | Draconicus | ly three years dead, now I tell the tale! Listen carefully little child, to the safety rail. |
| 09:52.53 | Guerin | wtf |
| 09:52.59 | fhffhqvb | did someone remove the ops command |
| 09:53.05 | Guerin | someone kick draconicus for being a drooling moron |
| 09:53.19 | Eulex | is geggeri by any chance the same guy as kekkeri? |
| 09:53.21 | Draconicus | Wow.... I wasted too much time typing that, and... it went over. Sorry. |
| 09:53.24 | fhffhqvb | !listkeys ops |
| 09:53.26 | badgers | Factoid search of 'ops' by key (15 shown; 25 total): unroll funroll-loops ;; tacops ;; autopsy ;; laptops ;; wallops ;; linux on laptops ;; hack ircops ;; oops ;; laptops #DEL# ;; lopster ;; ~lopster ;; CMD: tops (.*?) ;; i want ops ;; flops ;; tacticalops. |
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| 09:53.52 | fhffhqvb | bah |
| 09:54.06 | Eulex | Draconicus, -> #poetry, please |
| 09:54.43 | Draconicus | Eulex: I was trying to finish what somebody else started, not considering how appropriate it was for the channel. |
| 09:54.49 | Draconicus | My apologies, again. |
| 09:55.11 | aeronadix | karsten, I am sure that from a sun or hp-ux or any other *ux os if you install netscape it will run fast, there is just something missing with linux. some thing to do with java or something |
| 09:55.16 | Draconicus | That was from a funny flash that half of you haven't seen and don't care about. It really shouldn't have occured. |
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| 09:55.30 | SunDevil | heu |
| 09:55.45 | SunDevil | what happend to the non-us sources? |
| 09:55.50 | SunDevil | no longer need it? |
| 09:55.56 | Guerin | SunDevil: /topic |
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| 09:56.01 | SunDevil | US got to their senses and lifted export restictions? |
| 09:56.03 | fatal__ | crypto in main. |
| 09:56.24 | Slippy | SunDevil: no..it's a part of main now |
| 09:56.46 | llama33 | 67 more meals and i'll of eaten 100 llamas |
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| 09:57.50 | Slippy | SunDevil: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ section 2.1.2 |
| 09:58.17 | SunDevil | Slippy: aight cheers |
| 09:58.33 | Guerin | i'll of? |
| 09:58.53 | llama32 | Geurin: i'll have then... |
| 09:59.05 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 09:59.42 | torbjorn | what is it about XFS that doesn't allow it to be decreased in size? |
| 09:59.48 | llama32 | Geurin: language evolves |
| 10:00.01 | Guerin | torbjorn: dunno. that's pissed me off, too. |
| 10:00.08 | Guerin | llama32: it also devolves, apparently. |
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| 10:00.25 | llama32 | Eulex: i Will Capitalize as i Like |
| 10:00.54 | Guerin | llama32: will you also swap vowels around? |
| 10:01.27 | Eulex | where's dpkg? |
| 10:01.34 | liable | in soviet russia, vowels swap you around.. |
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| 10:01.48 | llama32 | Geurin: just because the english language has shot past your intellectual capacity, dont blame devolution... after all, that's how you were born from two human parents... |
| 10:01.53 | fhffhqvb | !do Eulex |
| 10:02.26 | Eulex | heh, he has /nick'ed? |
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| 10:02.44 | Guerin | llama32: as it happens, I'm pretty fucking close to the forefront of the evolution of the english language... and this isn't it. |
| 10:02.46 | d03boy | where is dpkg :| |
| 10:02.49 | ma3x | i set this in /etc/fstab and still won't mount! |
| 10:02.53 | liable | no, different bot |
| 10:02.59 | ma3x | here /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=29,umask=0007 0 0 |
| 10:03.04 | fhffhqvb | same database. |
| 10:03.08 | MobyTurbo | llama32: i'M NoT SuRE how rAndom capitalization is an expression of intellectual capacity. |
| 10:03.11 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 10:03.15 | petemc | ma3x: thats a strange umask |
| 10:03.35 | llama32 | MobyTurbo: yeah, it takes someone smart to understand why |
| 10:03.41 | d03boy | fighting on the internet is like the special olympics, etc, etc |
| 10:03.58 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: let me know if you can figure out how applying false-phonetic spellings to simple words is evolution, too |
| 10:04.33 | ma3x | petemc : that's what i was tiold |
| 10:04.35 | ma3x | look |
| 10:04.35 | ma3x | - umask=0007 gives full access to the device for either the user *or* |
| 10:04.37 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.42 | Guerin | and then there's the fact that 'ue' and 'eu' are quite radically different... |
| 10:04.51 | MobyTurbo | sure, "i'll of" is sheer brilliance |
| 10:04.53 | llama32 | do3boy: fighting on the internet is the only way you can mock people and not get embarrased because you dont know what your talking about |
| 10:05.04 | ma3x | you can read up on - umask=0007 gives full access to the device for either the user *or* |
| 10:05.08 | Guerin | !your |
| 10:05.08 | fhffhqvb | !mock llama32 |
| 10:05.09 | ma3x | ah sorry |
| 10:05.10 | badgers | somebody said your was the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 10:05.10 | ma3x | - umask=0007 gives full access to the device for either the user *or* |
| 10:05.17 | ma3x | damn |
| 10:05.26 | Guerin | and then there's 'embarrassed' |
| 10:05.33 | Guerin | and don't |
| 10:05.38 | ma3x | - umask=0007 gives full access to the device for either the user *or* |
| 10:05.43 | carlito | gecko! |
| 10:05.45 | Guerin | so yeah |
| 10:05.46 | ma3x | whats wrong with this paste |
| 10:06.03 | Guerin | llama32 is really showing us illiterates up, ain't he |
| 10:06.06 | ma3x | http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2004-12/msg00099.html |
| 10:06.13 | Eulex | ma3x, it's got an end-of-line at the end? |
| 10:06.14 | Guerin | or should that be illiterate's |
| 10:06.31 | ma3x | Eulex : yes pasted that before |
| 10:06.33 | llama32 | Geurin: thats a pretty weak excuse for a comeback |
| 10:06.35 | ma3x | the first time went okay |
| 10:06.36 | carlito | any good iptables script for protecting my box from udp flood? |
| 10:06.55 | Guerin | carlito: #iptables |
| 10:07.06 | Guerin | llama32: who are you talking to? |
| 10:07.12 | carlito | yeah thens |
| 10:07.13 | llama32 | Geurin: sarcasm never works with idiots, so dont even try it on me |
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| 10:07.23 | eye69 | carlito: There are some, but what's supposed to be protecting us from your repeating? |
| 10:07.26 | ma3x | so what umask should i give it if not 0007? |
| 10:07.30 | Guerin | llama32: i guess your imune |
| 10:07.31 | ma3x | i mean 007 is bond |
| 10:07.39 | ma3x | so this is most of bond :) |
| 10:07.45 | Guerin | ma3x: info coreutils chmod |
| 10:07.50 | carlito | eye69: sorry |
| 10:08.01 | llama32 | Geurin: repeating what the oponent just said isn't going to win you many arguments... |
| 10:08.16 | aeronadix | the netscape ppl are messed up. they don't give their fast version of browser from their site, they gave the same free version as mozilla, when you select their package for linux |
| 10:08.19 | Eulex | ma3x, umask=022 |
| 10:08.39 | ilRas | hello! I'm unable to install debian sarge netinstall on my pc, as it doesn't work with both my network controllers. i tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel install, both of them fail. i have a marvell and an nvidia nforce4 1gbit controllers. any ideas on how i can make it work? |
| 10:08.42 | ma3x | Eulex : lemme try it ... |
| 10:08.48 | qwertz_ | Is there a tool or shell command that shows the currently leased ip-adresses from dhcpd3-server? |
| 10:08.58 | Guerin | qwertz_: ifconfig |
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| 10:09.09 | Guerin | qwertz_: if you want just the ip, it can be awked out |
| 10:09.10 | aeronadix | ilRas, you have to find the right driver and install it |
| 10:09.29 | carlito | #iptables not replay any helps :( |
| 10:09.40 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 10:09.46 | ilRas | aeronadix: where should i look for the drivers? on nvidia.com theres no kernel module i can use... |
| 10:09.51 | Eulex | eh? |
| 10:09.53 | carlito | i use debian sarge 3.1 any help for protecting my box ftom udp flood? |
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| 10:10.05 | d03boy | does a synaptics (actually alps) touchpad need "synaptics" in the /etc/modules file? |
| 10:10.10 | Slippy | carlito: just install shorewall and set up some rules |
| 10:10.22 | snail | carlito: sure iptables |
| 10:10.26 | liable | d03boy: didnt you fix this last night? |
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| 10:10.34 | aeronadix | ilRas, you should look to the site to find out which linux driver to use, but you should use the install floppies to install the driver, check tldp.org for which driver to use |
| 10:10.38 | d03boy | ya, and when my computere rebooted it stopped working somehow |
| 10:10.46 | d03boy | and now I dont remember how I got it to work |
| 10:10.55 | llama32 | Geurin: i win |
| 10:10.56 | carlito | yes i have maded iptables and som script syn-flood is good protected but udp flood not |
| 10:11.04 | d03boy | i think I had to modprobe something, but i'm not sure what it was |
| 10:11.05 | liable | d03boy: so add whatever module you modprobed to /etc/modules.. |
| 10:11.07 | Eulex | !lose llama32 |
| 10:11.09 | badgers | llama32: You Lose. |
| 10:11.09 | ma3x | Eulex : operation not permitted, setLenght fails |
| 10:11.23 | Eulex | ma3x, be root then |
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| 10:11.57 | aeronadix | I can't believe I am running internet explorer on my linux box, this is gross, when will their be a fast full featured linux web browser. |
| 10:12.01 | liable | !2.6 mouse |
| 10:12.02 | badgers | from memory, 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 10:12.19 | Eulex | aeronadix, what are you talking about? |
| 10:12.21 | Slippy | aeronadix: what's wrong with firefox? ... |
| 10:12.26 | llama32 | aeronadix: are you seriously running IE? |
| 10:12.30 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: if you can't run firefox due to low RAM try Opera |
| 10:12.53 | liable | how can ie use less ram than firefox? |
| 10:12.56 | aeronadix | Opera uses kde doesn't it? and kde is slow |
| 10:13.01 | Slippy | heh...four replies a the same time! amazing |
| 10:13.02 | llama32 | aeronadix: konqueror, opera, firefox, that gtk-ish one |
| 10:13.05 | d03boy | liable, ah, there's the ol' dpkg, thanks |
| 10:13.05 | llama32 | opera doesnt use kde... |
| 10:13.13 | llama32 | aeronadix: opera is FAST |
| 10:13.15 | Eulex | MobyTurbo, well, if he can't run firefox because of low ram he can't run ie in wine |
| 10:13.21 | aeronadix | liable, ie is running faster then firefox |
| 10:13.24 | liable | d03boy: write it down :P |
| 10:13.30 | llama32 | aeronadix: opera... |
| 10:13.31 | d03boy | lol, gotcha |
| 10:13.32 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: no, Opera uses Qt. You are thinking of konqueror. |
| 10:13.44 | d03boy | konqueror is disgusting |
| 10:13.48 | ma3x | Eulex : i want the normal user to be able to write |
| 10:13.55 | ma3x | that's why i added defaults,uid=1000,gid=29,umask=022 |
| 10:14.06 | ma3x | uid1000 is my uid |
| 10:14.08 | llama32 | do3boy: works for me, great file manager anyway |
| 10:14.16 | rixth | How do I delete a user? |
| 10:14.23 | ma3x | Eulex : any idea how to be able to write with my normal user |
| 10:14.28 | MobyTurbo | my favorite file manager is /bin/bash |
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| 10:14.45 | aeronadix | llama32, I believe I tried opera, but I am gonna try it again. Also, I don't think Opera has encryption, same goes for konquerer. Also, IE is fast but does totally function., mozilla is slow as hell but at least works completely. Although it is slow slow the in effect-unusable |
| 10:14.48 | Slippy | ..bash is not really a file manager :S |
| 10:14.59 | Eulex | ma3x, I dunno, I haven't achieved that |
| 10:15.41 | llama32 | MobyTurbo: does opera use qt? shouldnt it then use the same theme as KDE apps or is the theming something that relies on KDE? |
| 10:15.46 | liable | aeronadix: define, running faster. |
| 10:16.12 | liable | wtf would you want to? |
| 10:16.14 | MobyTurbo | llama32: I don't know, it's been a long time since I ran KDE. |
| 10:16.15 | llama32 | btw i only tried out of interest :) |
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| 10:16.19 | ma3x | Eulex : but is it not dangerous with root? |
| 10:16.21 | aeronadix | liable, c'mon, i type www.yahoo.com and the page comes in 45secs vs 3mins |
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| 10:16.48 | Eulex | I have rw,user,umask=022,noauto and it doesn't allow me to access the drive as user, just as root |
| 10:16.58 | aeronadix | llama32, try the shareeza script that what I used, but it doesn't entirely work |
| 10:17.22 | llama32 | Eulex: i had that problem, but it worked when i did the uid=.... bit |
| 10:17.44 | Eulex | llama32, heh, ok -- will try that next time |
| 10:18.24 | aeronadix | I installed IE on wine, but I don't know how to start it. During installation it said it create start-program files, but I don't know where it is |
| 10:18.33 | liable | aeronadix: well theres something more fucked on your box than firefox. i'm on dial up. 3 secs for initial page, 14 for complete lod... |
| 10:18.54 | aeronadix | liable, I only have 64mb ram |
| 10:19.28 | Eulex | aeronadix, you tried links2? flies on my old p2 300 with 64 mb ram |
| 10:19.33 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: that's enough to run FireFox as long as you don't run a too bloated DE or Open Office at the same time. |
| 10:19.34 | aeronadix | liable, Yeah, I tried all of them, netscape, firefox, mozilla, they are all exactly the same, just a little different in appearance |
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| 10:20.01 | Eulex | aeronadix, what DE/WM are you running? |
| 10:20.13 | aeronadix | Eulex, I use link2 primarily, but I need ssl and I would like all to use a full featured browser occasionaly |
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| 10:20.32 | aeronadix | Eulex: Guerin, you got it |
| 10:20.36 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: elinks has ssl |
| 10:20.36 | Guerin | !win me |
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| 10:20.38 | badgers | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 10:20.43 | Guerin | woo! |
| 10:20.49 | Guerin | way better than baghdad |
| 10:20.52 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: no graphics though. :-) |
| 10:20.54 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, Get out of here, tell me more |
| 10:21.20 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, Oh, the text version has ssl support, but I want to use it with gmail, yahoo, and hotmail |
| 10:21.24 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: no need for the sarcasm, I'm trying to help you. |
| 10:21.43 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: I've used elinks with gmail. |
| 10:21.51 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, I wasn't being sarcastic, I was serious. I am looking for ssl support for links2 |
| 10:22.23 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, You are the man, I don't know why I didn't try it before, let me try now |
| 10:22.42 | liable | wow, chilli tuna doesnt seem as good idea now, as it did at lunch... |
| 10:22.58 | llama32 | aerodonix: i can do gmail with [i think] opera and konqueror (im signing in right now) |
| 10:23.19 | Eulex | aeronadix, elinks works well with gmail, but can't do hotmail cos it uses javascript -- and I dunno about yahoo |
| 10:23.20 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, when I try with link2 to get to gmail, it say 'this version of links2 not support ssl' but then is there a version that does? I guess it the text version is what it means |
| 10:23.23 | Guerin | llama32: why not? |
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| 10:23.38 | Guerin | aeronadix: apt-cache search links ssl |
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| 10:24.00 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: links-ssl is a virtual package that gets elinks now |
| 10:24.05 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 10:24.12 | TBBle | liable: Did you leave the can half-eaten lying around all afternoon? |
| 10:24.31 | aeronadix | Guerin, I didn;t know you could search two word like that, thx |
| 10:24.34 | Eulex | aeronadix, there is a version of links2 with ssl, I think it's called links-hacked or something like that -- I've tried to compile it but failed |
| 10:24.59 | liable | TBBle: nah, but i'm hurtin. :( |
| 10:25.00 | Eulex | aeronadix, highly beta though |
| 10:25.00 | aeronadix | Eulex, I hate compiling, I try to stay with apt-get, |
| 10:25.03 | Guerin | does dildo do ssl? |
| 10:25.06 | jeffro | hey |
| 10:25.07 | Guerin | dillo, i mean |
| 10:25.11 | liable | haha |
| 10:25.14 | Guerin | jeffro: oh god, not you again |
| 10:25.15 | Eulex | aeronadix, then you're out of luck |
| 10:25.15 | aeronadix | Eulex, who cares, if it works right |
| 10:25.16 | jeffro | is there a way to kill a program by name? |
| 10:25.21 | Guerin | jeffro: man killall |
| 10:25.25 | jeffro | kill -9 name |
| 10:25.28 | Guerin | no |
| 10:25.30 | Eulex | jeffro, no |
| 10:25.31 | jeffro | No not everything |
| 10:25.32 | Guerin | rtfm |
| 10:25.35 | jeffro | oh damn |
| 10:25.39 | aeronadix | Eulex, I will compile though if it is something I can't get through apt-get |
| 10:25.49 | Eulex | jeffro, killall kills by name, kill kills by pid |
| 10:25.52 | jeffro | is there a way to let a process have the same pid everytime? |
| 10:26.02 | jeffro | ohok |
| 10:26.16 | jeffro | so if i type killall -9 artsd |
| 10:26.19 | PerfDave | jeffro: No. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:26.20 | jeffro | it should work |
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| 10:26.48 | jeffro | i want to start kmid by killing arstd first then starting qsynth and start kmid |
| 10:27.23 | jeffro | but artsd has a different pid everytime |
| 10:27.49 | Eulex | jeffro, man killall |
| 10:27.59 | Guerin | jeffro: turn artsd off in kcontrol |
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| 10:28.20 | why-oh-why | debs |
| 10:28.21 | aeronadix | Fuckin right, Elinks works damn it. But I would rather use mutt with exim4, but exim4 is some super ninja complicated piece if work |
| 10:28.27 | why-oh-why | Hey fuckwits! |
| 10:28.29 | Asprin | eh how come dig isn't available as a package? |
| 10:28.30 | jeffro | but i want it to be one normally |
| 10:28.34 | why-oh-why | I'm a GENTOO user! |
| 10:28.37 | why-oh-why | So f u all! |
| 10:28.39 | jeffro | but it goes off ater i start kmid |
| 10:28.40 | fhffhqvb | Asprin: dnsutils |
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| 10:28.43 | karsten | Asprin: apt-cache search dig |
| 10:28.47 | Asprin | ahh thanks fhffhqvb |
| 10:28.53 | jeffro | this how i let my kmid start : killall artsd; qsynth; kmid |
| 10:28.59 | jeffro | should that work? |
| 10:29.02 | fhffhqvb | !ops why-oh-why troll |
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| 10:29.03 | badgers | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: why-oh-why troll |
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| 10:29.53 | Eulex | aeronadix, http://web.archive.org/web/20041128092510/http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~karpov/links-hacked/ |
| 10:30.10 | aeronadix | Eulex, thx |
| 10:30.14 | Eulex | aeronadix, real site down :( |
| 10:30.34 | aeronadix | karsten, Hey I installed IE over wine, but I don't know how to start it |
| 10:30.35 | jeffro | oh no |
| 10:30.44 | jeffro | my qsynth doesnt work anymore AGAIN |
| 10:31.06 | aeronadix | karsten, oh you type wine iexplore |
| 10:32.11 | jeffro | now i cant use qsynth again........ |
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| 10:32.22 | Guerin | jeffro: SO KILL ARTSD |
| 10:32.27 | jeffro | i did |
| 10:32.38 | jeffro | but now /dev/sequencer cant be found |
| 10:32.50 | Guerin | did you kill it from kcontrol? or just using killall? |
| 10:32.50 | jeffro | it hadnt this problem before |
| 10:32.57 | jeffro | kill -9 |
| 10:33.02 | jeffro | then pid |
| 10:33.15 | Guerin | right |
| 10:33.17 | jeffro | checked processtabel and its off |
| 10:33.20 | Guerin | artsd is a daemon |
| 10:33.28 | jeffro | before i rebooted it worked |
| 10:33.37 | Guerin | it watches for things which use the sound device and starts on demand |
| 10:33.41 | jeffro | really bad midisupport in linux |
| 10:33.48 | Guerin | you have to disable the daemon for it to stop |
| 10:33.54 | Guerin | so go and fucking do like i told you |
| 10:34.25 | jeffro | ok il try but it wont change the fact that /dev/sequencer cant be found |
| 10:34.28 | gaybot | miauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 10:34.39 | Guerin | jeffro: i think you might find it does |
| 10:35.17 | jeffro | you mean diableing the sound system in the control center |
| 10:35.21 | Eulex | sound daemons suck |
| 10:35.34 | aeronadix | Eulex, It is asking for authentication login/pass |
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| 10:35.46 | Eulex | aeronadix, eh? |
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| 10:35.57 | d03boy | gah! now I put "psmouse" in /etc/modules and now my usb mouse isnt working :| |
| 10:36.01 | jeffro | disabled |
| 10:36.24 | Eulex | aeronadix, cancel |
| 10:36.34 | liable | d03boy: sheesh you want it all dont you :P |
| 10:36.38 | d03boy | lol |
| 10:36.43 | aeronadix | Eulex, I did it says authorization is required, I can't download it |
| 10:36.45 | jeffro | failed to create the midi driver, No midi input will be aivablie |
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| 10:37.13 | d03boy | on another note, rebooting takes like 20 hears because DHCPDISCOVER doesnt find any networks |
| 10:37.16 | d03boy | *years |
| 10:37.24 | liable | d03boy: hit ctrl c |
| 10:37.31 | Eulex | aeronadix, I dunno, I can |
| 10:37.36 | liable | d03boy: or stop it from auto |
| 10:37.37 | d03boy | k |
| 10:37.44 | d03boy | from auto/ |
| 10:37.45 | d03boy | ? |
| 10:37.49 | Eulex | aeronadix, http://web.archive.org/web/20041124091701/http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~karpov/links-hacked/downloads/links-hacked-030709.tgz |
| 10:38.02 | Eulex | and http://web.archive.org/web/20041124091701/http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~karpov/links-hacked/downloads/links-fonts-new.tgz |
| 10:38.11 | aeronadix | Eulex, awesome, you got the inside scope eh |
| 10:38.12 | liable | d03boy: interfaces file. |
| 10:38.25 | jeffro | fluidsynth: error: Error opening ALSA sequencer |
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| 10:39.03 | jeffro | this isnt right |
| 10:39.10 | Eulex | aeronadix, hmm, strange -- that fontset seems fucked up, "gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file" |
| 10:39.18 | jeffro | snd_rawmidi 23204 1 snd_ens1370 snd_seq_device 7944 1 snd_rawmidi snd 50660 13 snd_ens1370,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_ak4531_codec |
| 10:39.28 | jeffro | 10kemu is missing AGAIN |
| 10:39.46 | Eulex | jeffro, then load it |
| 10:39.49 | jeffro | do have to do the sudo modprobe EVERYTIME when i start my c |
| 10:39.52 | jeffro | pc |
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| 10:40.07 | Eulex | jeffro, no, put it in /etc/modules |
| 10:40.07 | jeffro | this is getting annoying |
| 10:40.08 | liable | jeffro: no, put it in /etc/modules |
| 10:40.09 | d03boy | jeffro, I think you can just put the module in /etc/modules |
| 10:40.15 | liable | !loose me |
| 10:40.17 | badgers | You lose liable! [and $nick can't spell, either.] |
| 10:40.21 | MobyTurbo | GMTA |
| 10:40.29 | liable | fuck, every time. |
| 10:40.29 | jeffro | il try if i understand :P |
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| 10:40.44 | Eulex | badgers seem to miss a few features |
| 10:40.45 | badgers | bugger all, i dunno, Eulex |
| 10:40.53 | d03boy | jeffro, if you type "modprobe whatever" then you put "whatever" into the /etc/modules file |
| 10:40.59 | Slippy | badger's borken |
| 10:41.09 | sepski | what is the command to simulate the autostart of a software raid5 array ? i have a raid5, starts on boot, i stopped it with mdadm --misc --stop /dev/md0, and now i want to try to start it again, with mdadm --misc --run /dev/md0 but it errors with "mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Invalid argument", |
| 10:41.16 | jeffro | yeah but i did that before |
| 10:41.19 | Pose1don | Which debian package contains TCL scriping language? |
| 10:41.23 | jeffro | yesterday to be exact |
| 10:41.24 | aeronadix | Eulex, yeah i got that for the first one too |
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| 10:41.43 | d03boy | brb again I suppose... we'll get this workign eventually |
| 10:41.49 | MobyTurbo | Pose1don: tcl8.4 (and tk8.4) |
| 10:41.55 | aeronadix | Eulex, but it looks like everything downloaded, what to do now, make make install ./configure? |
| 10:41.57 | Pose1don | thanks |
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| 10:42.11 | jeffro | first ./configure |
| 10:42.15 | sepski | but if i reboot the server, the raid5 is up again. how can i manualy start it ? |
| 10:42.16 | Eulex | aeronadix, seems like a problem with the server, firefox didn't notice that it didn't get the whole file, wget is noticing and retrying |
| 10:42.19 | Eulex | aeronadix, read INSTALL |
| 10:42.58 | antanas | Hi, can someone introduce how to install an application from *.package file |
| 10:42.59 | aeronadix | Eulex, yeah, links2 kept retrying also |
| 10:43.08 | jeffro | um guy's dont you mean /etc/modules.conf? |
| 10:43.12 | gaybot | Hello my name is "ABdul Yasiin Rraaaahmaan skipidipiduu" and imm cybercriminal <3 :D |
| 10:43.21 | liable | antanas: read the docs on the website. |
| 10:43.25 | Slippy | sepski: invoke-rc.d "service" start |
| 10:43.31 | Eulex | jeffro, no |
| 10:43.39 | ma3x | would anybody please explain me this |
| 10:43.45 | liable | !ops gaybot is, well, a pain in the arse. |
| 10:43.46 | badgers | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gaybot is, well, a pain in the arse. |
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| 10:43.55 | jeffro | so i just copy the snd_10kemu_seq or sumthing under my current lines? |
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| 10:43.58 | antanas | liable, whitch website? |
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| 10:44.08 | liable | antanas: that you got it from. |
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| 10:44.21 | Eulex | aeronadix, bah, wget keeps retrying |
| 10:44.33 | sepski | Slippy, thanks that worked. |
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| 10:44.40 | RRRRah_MAAN | :) |
| 10:44.40 | aeronadix | Eulex, Yeah, but it looks like the whole file is downloaded anyway |
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| 10:44.47 | jeffro | i wish there was a easy way for midi -.-" sigh |
| 10:44.56 | RRRRah_MAAN | say my name bitch! |
| 10:44.57 | ma3x | i copied /media/mIRC/mirc.exe to ~/ |
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| 10:44.58 | ma3x | then removed it , and tried to copy it back to /media/mIRC/ |
| 10:45.20 | RRRRah_MAAN | Rrahmaan :) |
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| 10:45.21 | ma3x | mv: failed to preserve ownership for `/media/usb/mIRC/mirc.exe': Operation not permitted |
| 10:45.35 | d03boy | grr! |
| 10:45.37 | Slippy | sepski: of course you can also do invoke-rc.d "service" restart and stop |
| 10:45.39 | freaky_ | hola, i'm new to debian (not to linux) and I need to update a webserver (well, we need support for more things in PHP). now I know you can use apt-get to install/upgrade stuff n such, what I don't know is whether a newer PHP will support gd, imagamagick, zip n such and how much disruption it will give on my server (it being a live server with like 60 websites/domains on it we don't want any down-time). any suggestions? |
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| 10:46.09 | petemc | ma3x: you cant set permissions on windows filesystems like you can linux |
| 10:46.25 | petemc | ma3x: you can ignore that 'error' |
| 10:46.28 | jm_ | Freak: install required PHP modules |
| 10:46.37 | jm_ | freaky_ ^^^^^^ |
| 10:46.46 | dsl614 | hi, I'm trying to make a cd with damn small linux, geexbox, ultimate bootcd, insert linux and debian sarge business card install cd |
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| 10:46.58 | freaky_ | jm_: yea i noticed. modules? i didn't think php was modular, it one module file right? |
| 10:47.01 | dsl614 | but debian install allways says my cd isn't a debian cd |
| 10:47.02 | antanas | liable: it's Lilypond and on their website I can't find install instruction for newbies like me |
| 10:47.06 | jm_ | freaky_: no, it's modular |
| 10:47.06 | dsl614 | so i cant install? |
| 10:47.17 | ma3x | petemc : i can't use azureus for eg. |
| 10:47.20 | liable | antanas: so, how would we know then ? |
| 10:47.29 | freaky_ | jm_: hmm interesting |
| 10:47.31 | ma3x | it says operation not permitted, setLength failed |
| 10:47.35 | petemc | ma3x: huh? |
| 10:47.41 | trc | whats up with the public key for ftp.nerim.unstable not being available for a while? aptitude and apt-get complain all the time about it. Any security risk? |
| 10:47.44 | ma3x | what means setLength? |
| 10:47.48 | petemc | ma3x: well, thats a different error |
| 10:47.49 | freaky_ | jm_: after that, will a graceful reset do it? guess not huh? |
| 10:47.57 | dsl614 | anyone knows how debian install checksq whether the cd is right or not? |
| 10:48.00 | ma3x | petemc : what does it mean? |
| 10:48.08 | Eulex | jeffro, please do not dcc |
| 10:48.08 | jm_ | freaky_: just restart apache and it should work (maybe some modules need enabling in php.ini) |
| 10:48.12 | petemc | ma3x: no idea |
| 10:48.16 | ABdul_Yasiin_Rra | ciao |
| 10:48.17 | liable | trc: you mean, you have downloaded the key? |
| 10:48.28 | trc | liable: no |
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| 10:48.35 | liable | trc: well... |
| 10:48.48 | freaky_ | freaky_: yea but if I restart it will have to be at night, sessions will be lost n such if i'm not mistaken and connections will die. graceful saves you most of this but modules won't be reloaded i guess |
| 10:48.49 | antanas | liable: isn't standard method for *.package file like for *.deb or *.gz? |
| 10:48.50 | liable | trc: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 10:48.55 | jeffro | # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. # # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are # to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with # a "#", and everything on the line after them are ignored. ide-cd ide-detect ide-disk psmouse snd_emu10k1 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_seq_oss snd_emux_synth |
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| 10:49.03 | jeffro | is that file correct |
| 10:49.08 | trc | liable: usually it (apt-get) should check the key itself, am i not right? |
| 10:49.22 | aeronadix | if you mix an match testing stable and unstable packages on a system, how do you find out what you have, what the kernel is , the packages are. if they are stable, unstable or testing |
| 10:49.23 | jeffro | enters are replaced with spaces for xchat |
| 10:49.24 | liable | trc: no, visit the link. |
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| 10:49.40 | trc | liable: or I must download it and put it somewhere in my system, ok, let me see the link |
| 10:49.53 | d03boy | does anyone know why my usb intellimouse would not work (it lights up, but doesnt move the cursor) when I put psmouse into /etc/modules? |
| 10:49.54 | liable | trc: um ^^^^^ |
| 10:50.17 | sepski | Slippy, ahh reconstructing now. i had a drive that faild during reconstruction, that coused the whole system to freeze. |
| 10:50.33 | sepski | reminds me painfully to never ever ever use promise cards again |
| 10:50.39 | jeffro | d03boy YES is it a optical usb mouse |
| 10:50.45 | d03boy | jeffro, ya |
| 10:50.50 | jeffro | im using logitechs |
| 10:50.53 | jeffro | and it should work |
| 10:50.55 | trc | liable: i see now, thanks, let me go thru it |
| 10:50.55 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: apt-cache policy foo |
| 10:50.59 | Slippy | sepski: hehe |
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| 10:51.04 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, cool |
| 10:51.15 | jeffro | just put psmouse or sumthing in /etc/modules |
| 10:51.24 | liable | antanas: yes an ordinary source is usaully .tar.gx/.tar.bz2 etc, dunno what .package is. |
| 10:51.26 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, how bout for the kernel? |
| 10:51.28 | d03boy | jeffro, thats whats causing ti to not work :P |
| 10:51.28 | jm_ | d03boy: uhm psmouse is for PS/2 mice |
| 10:51.37 | d03boy | jm_, I have an Alps touchpad |
| 10:51.41 | jeffro | it works for me |
| 10:51.43 | sepski | Slippy, it's just regular pata udma controllers, but i'v had no ends of troubble with this thing. ill be glad when i got it migrated to a 3ware array |
| 10:51.46 | aeronadix | I can't find opera in the apt-cache search |
| 10:51.49 | d03boy | which I _think_ requires me to load the psmouse module |
| 10:51.49 | jm_ | d03boy: which has got nothing to do with this |
| 10:51.57 | jeffro | im using a usb mouse but it works as psmouse |
| 10:52.04 | MobyTurbo | aeronadix: www.opera.com offers debs |
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| 10:52.12 | d03boy | jm_, what do you suggest I do? |
| 10:52.23 | jm_ | d03boy: load relevant modules |
| 10:52.27 | jeffro | you could always try psmouse |
| 10:52.43 | d03boy | jeffro, i'm 99% sure that you keep telling me to do what i'm already doing |
| 10:52.45 | jeffro | im using a usb optical mouse and its using psmouse |
| 10:52.51 | jeffro | oh |
| 10:52.52 | jeffro | ok |
| 10:52.59 | jeffro | !enter |
| 10:53.00 | badgers | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 10:53.02 | antanas | liable: thanks :) |
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| 10:53.32 | jeffro | well eulex or anyone did i put them correctly in myfile ? : # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. # # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are # to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with # a "#", and everything on the line after them are ignored. ide-cd ide-detect ide-disk psmouse snd_emu10k1 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_seq_oss |
| 10:53.32 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.56 | TiTaN_pi8 | hello, can anybody tell me if it is possible with vnc to show on the vncserver what a vnc client in doing? |
| 10:54.24 | jm_ | you can connect another instance |
| 10:54.29 | jeffro | oh please i dont want my soundcard explodes instantly |
| 10:54.31 | sepski | TiTaN_pi8, if the vnc server allows multiple connects, you can use a secondary vnc client to monitor |
| 10:54.34 | freaky_ | anyone know what php4 module will give me zip support (zip_open()) |
| 10:55.12 | zamolxes | exec (unzip) :) |
| 10:55.24 | freaky_ | zamolxes: hmm i can't sell that :) |
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| 10:55.42 | jeffro | ok il just let my soundcard explode, then no midi or wave....... |
| 10:55.42 | zamolxes | .. the reason eeludes me, but whatever |
| 10:55.59 | TiTaN_pi8 | sepski, but there is no better way? because on windows you can see what the client is doing on the vnc server's monitor by default |
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| 10:56.39 | ma3x | how to install KDE with all it's stuff n extras |
| 10:56.43 | Eulex | jeffro, how am I supposed to know what you need? btw, your snd card will not explode |
| 10:56.49 | sepski | TiTaN_pi8, yes you can do that on linux also, but then you must run vnc on the :0 display and not in it's own session |
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| 10:56.53 | freaky_ | ma3x: emerge kde gets most |
| 10:56.55 | liable | ma3x: with or without? |
| 10:57.01 | liable | freaky_: wtf? |
| 10:57.03 | freaky_ | ma3x: err oh sorry wrong distro :D |
| 10:57.03 | TiTaN_pi8 | sepski, thx |
| 10:57.05 | ma3x | liable : with |
| 10:57.08 | sepski | TiTaN_pi8, for that to work on linux you want to use the x11vnc package |
| 10:57.10 | jeffro | Oh ok, but you do know if snd_bla bla belong in there |
| 10:57.20 | sepski | TiTaN_pi8, an vnc server that allowes just that |
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| 10:57.21 | liable | ma3x: install 'kde' |
| 10:57.29 | TiTaN_pi8 | sepski, i will check that out, thanks a lot! |
| 10:57.30 | zamolxes | freaky_: anywya, php.net/zip aka www.google.com/search?&q=php%20zip&btnI is the anwaer |
| 10:57.43 | zamolxes | oh, i need to check my keyboard :) |
| 10:57.44 | d03boy | according to everything I see, the psmouse module is the modle needed to use an Alps/Synaptics touchpad... |
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| 10:58.01 | ma3x | liable : that command doesnt work |
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| 10:58.08 | liable | ma3x: you really shouldnt though. kde-core then if you need more shit, get it. |
| 10:58.22 | jeffro | btw, is this line correct for a desktop shortcut? : qsynth; kmid |
| 10:58.23 | liable | ma3x: apt-get install kde |
| 10:58.33 | ma3x | liable yesterday i installed it but i forgot how |
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| 10:58.45 | liable | ma3x: ermm, ok. :P |
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| 10:59.06 | ma3x | liable what do you use, window or desktop manager? |
| 10:59.13 | SunDevil | port 587, 'submission' according to /etc/services. what does it do? |
| 10:59.26 | liable | ma3x: I use kde actually. |
| 10:59.32 | petemc | SunDevil: recieves mail |
| 10:59.36 | SunDevil | check |
| 10:59.37 | ma3x | that's cool :) |
| 10:59.38 | ma3x | do you like it? |
| 10:59.51 | liable | ma3x: but have attacked it with debfoster, so theres not much left.. |
| 11:00.02 | ma3x | what's debfoster? |
| 11:00.07 | aeronadix | You know what, I have all stable versions of Mozilla and firefox, so I am gonna try and see if the testing versions run faster |
| 11:00.08 | freaky_ | zamolxes: ? how does that tell me how to install it on debian. i can ofcourse compile php from source, but i was hoping there was some better way |
| 11:00.20 | liable | ma3x: yes, have tried all the *cool* wm's, and seem to keep coming back to kde. |
| 11:00.22 | TiTaN_pi8 | sepski, it works :) |
| 11:00.29 | sepski | good :) |
| 11:00.56 | Eulex | ma3x, apt-cache show debfoster |
| 11:00.59 | jeffro | does anyone know a good soundfont? |
| 11:01.14 | SunDevil | soundfont? |
| 11:01.16 | SunDevil | as in notes? |
| 11:01.19 | jeffro | know im using Ultimate.SF2 |
| 11:01.28 | jeffro | yes for fluidsynth/qsynth |
| 11:01.37 | petemc | SunDevil: if you dont know what a soundfont id you probably dont have any good ones |
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| 11:01.44 | petemc | s/id/is/ |
| 11:01.59 | ma3x | cool thanks Eulex! |
| 11:02.03 | ma3x | i'll install it |
| 11:02.15 | jeffro | I want a good one |
| 11:02.27 | jeffro | is there anyway to get soundblasters one |
| 11:02.36 | Eulex | jeffro, lol |
| 11:02.48 | Eulex | jeffro, you want crappy adlib sounds?? :) |
| 11:02.48 | SunDevil | petemc: possible, i do have a HUGE font collection though |
| 11:02.49 | jeffro | !tell Eulex about lol |
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| 11:03.00 | jeffro | !lol |
| 11:03.00 | petemc | SunDevil: handy :) |
| 11:03.12 | SunDevil | so it might contain soundfonts. |
| 11:03.17 | jeffro | lol stands for lamer on line |
| 11:03.32 | ma3x | hey Eulex |
| 11:03.39 | jeffro | i want a good one |
| 11:03.41 | Eulex | !lol |
| 11:03.42 | jeffro | gm if possible |
| 11:03.42 | liable | jeffro: great stfu kthks :P |
| 11:03.50 | ma3x | do you know what fonts should i install to make firefox look like the windows one? |
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| 11:04.12 | jeffro | why do i have to shut the f*ck up |
| 11:04.25 | Slippy | ma3x: msttcorefonts |
| 11:04.33 | liable | ma3x: try different shit, why stick with maing your linux box look like windows? |
| 11:04.36 | jeffro | i just want good sound output for my midi's |
| 11:04.47 | liable | making even |
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| 11:05.06 | ma3x | liable: okay it must be not like windows |
| 11:05.18 | ma3x | but now firefox its kinda limited |
| 11:05.18 | PeterB | Where did dpkg go? |
| 11:05.23 | ma3x | when i read i get blind almost |
| 11:05.25 | liable | ma3x: no, I didnt say that. |
| 11:05.26 | ma3x | because of the bad fonts |
| 11:05.27 | Eulex | ma3x, while you're doing it you can get a kde theme that makes it look like winxp too, eh? |
| 11:05.44 | ma3x | Eulex : i dont wanna make it look like windows |
| 11:05.58 | ma3x | just want firefox to have more of the fonts |
| 11:06.02 | ma3x | and not only serif |
| 11:06.05 | Eulex | ma3x, standard fonts in debian rule, what's the problem? |
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| 11:06.16 | Eulex | if you can't read em there must be a problem |
| 11:06.20 | jeffro | tip: never use vintage dream waves.... your ears will explode.. |
| 11:06.33 | Slippy | ma3x: then install the bitstream and change the fonts to those |
| 11:06.48 | freaky_ | is there such a thing as an too old installation? apt-get install imagemagick gives 404's files not found |
| 11:07.04 | liable | freaky_: apt-get update |
| 11:07.05 | petemc | freaky_: apt-get update |
| 11:07.08 | petemc | *bam* |
| 11:07.09 | jeffro | Eulex, what soundfont do you use? |
| 11:07.19 | freaky_ | liable: how dangerous is that in a live environment? |
| 11:07.26 | ma3x | Slippy : what's bitstream? |
| 11:07.27 | liable | freaky_: huh? |
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| 11:07.37 | ma3x | Eulex : can i give you a page and you try to open it and tell me if it looks good |
| 11:07.38 | petemc | freaky_: man apt-get |
| 11:07.43 | dsl614 | anyone knows how debian install checks whether the install cd is right or not? Because I try to make a custom install cd, but install always complains it's no real debian cd... |
| 11:07.45 | Eulex | jeffro, why should I use any sound font at all when I've got this nice roland rs-50 right here besides |
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| 11:07.53 | Eulex | ma3x, sure |
| 11:07.57 | jeffro | you lucky b*stard |
| 11:07.58 | liable | freaky_: update, just updates the package list. |
| 11:08.04 | Slippy | ma3x: aptitude search ttf-bitstream-vera |
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| 11:08.07 | freaky_ | k thx |
| 11:08.17 | jeffro | its hard getting good soudfont |
| 11:08.20 | freaky_ | hmm much faster than emerge |
| 11:08.23 | jeffro | i only could find 2 |
| 11:08.34 | jeffro | Ultimate and Vintage dream waves |
| 11:08.46 | liable | freaky_: hah, funny about that.. :P |
| 11:08.51 | ma3x | Eulex www.sunrise.ch for eg. |
| 11:09.06 | ma3x | up in the left corner where it says "startseite" |
| 11:09.14 | ma3x | look how small and unreadable it is |
| 11:09.19 | d03boy | death to stupid computers! |
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| 11:09.38 | Eulex | ma3x, perfectly readable, what resolution are you at? |
| 11:09.48 | ma3x | 1024x768 |
| 11:09.48 | freaky_ | liable: :D |
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| 11:09.53 | ma3x | 15" laptop |
| 11:10.16 | ma3x | Eulex then up in the right corner |
| 11:10.16 | liable | ma3x: um, thats not a resolution.. |
| 11:10.18 | Eulex | ma3x, view -> text size -> increase |
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| 11:10.46 | Eulex | ma3x, want screenshot to compare? |
| 11:10.54 | ma3x | hell yes! |
| 11:10.56 | ma3x | please |
| 11:11.03 | onic___ | hi |
| 11:11.35 | freaky_ | now it wants to update glibc. for this it needs to restart all nss able apps, like sshd, since i'm remote my connection probably will die, will my shell die with it (and possibly the script and with it the restart of the services)? |
| 11:11.49 | petemc | freaky_: ssh will be fine |
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| 11:12.03 | petemc | freaky_: well, provided something else doesnt go wrong |
| 11:12.20 | Esaj | how do I stop this annoying error: ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/lib/ssh/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
| 11:12.27 | Esaj | it occurs when doing `scp foo@host:foo foo` |
| 11:12.47 | freaky_ | petemc: it's a very old install i think i better not do this now |
| 11:12.54 | petemc | freaky_: then dont |
| 11:12.55 | freaky_ | thx for the help people |
| 11:13.35 | ma3x | Eulex : what happened to the screenshot? |
| 11:13.49 | liable | freaky_: what do you mean, old install? whats it got to do with it? |
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| 11:14.18 | petemc | liable: more chance for breakage |
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| 11:14.28 | ma3x | Eulex hold on let me change to kde |
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| 11:14.30 | petemc | liable: not that leaving it is going to improve the situation |
| 11:14.31 | pego | hi |
| 11:14.57 | bomb | i just installed sarge and i'm having issues installing LILO, do i need to wipe GRUB from the mbr before running liloconfig? |
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| 11:15.48 | ma3x | Eulex : im back |
| 11:15.51 | Eulex | bomb, why do you want to switch from grub to lilo |
| 11:15.53 | liable | bomb: why lilo? |
| 11:15.58 | freaky_ | liable: kind of a long story. we hire rackspace + installation service from a company. from this company 2 employees left, we went with them. instead of doing a fresh install and nicely setting it up they copied the whole *** piece of **** and updated it, leaving all sorts of old pieces of config lying around the system (and I mean everywhere). perhaps if the layout would be the same this wouldn't be such a problem, but the webinterfaces and |
| 11:16.04 | Eulex | ma3x, and now my screenshot is done -- http://eulex.0nyx.com/sunrise.png |
| 11:16.12 | bomb | because i have a lilo.conf file from a previous install that is all setup, and grub won't boot windows |
| 11:16.29 | PerfDave | bomb: Grub will boot Windows just fine. |
| 11:16.31 | bomb | i'm getting NTFS character errors or something |
| 11:16.32 | liable | freaky_: oooh, ok, fair enough. |
| 11:16.36 | bomb | mine won't |
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| 11:16.58 | Eulex | ma3x, beware, that screenie will be huge on your tiny 1024x768 screen :P |
| 11:17.20 | liable | bomb: you have installed with grub, and it wont boot windows? |
| 11:17.26 | bomb | exactly |
| 11:17.46 | bomb | grub stops @: chainloader +1 when i boot windows and just hangs |
| 11:17.48 | freaky_ | liable: next to that, i'm pretty familiar with linux, but not with debian (yet, mainly slackware and gentoo and for other ppl i did some suse installs). now this probably won't cause problem with gcc directly, but I also haven't got a clue on how they install things (hopefully the correct way, with apt-get, but I doubt it on some things) so I have no idea on what might break. glibc is pretty deep into the system |
| 11:17.54 | liable | bomb: whats the error |
| 11:18.11 | aeronadix | well, the unstable version of firefox is way faster than the stable version, I guess I should have tried the testing version first |
| 11:18.15 | liable | freaky_: understood. |
| 11:18.30 | bomb | i'd have to reboot and check, it's something about unreadable characters |
| 11:18.31 | freaky_ | liable: any life saving suggestions? :D |
| 11:18.35 | ma3x | Eulex : that looks cool |
| 11:18.36 | PerfDave | liable: When you installed Debian, it should have detected your Windows partition and set up a boot entry for it. |
| 11:18.40 | ma3x | how many inches? |
| 11:18.41 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 11:18.48 | ma3x | you got 1024x768 res. right? |
| 11:18.48 | PerfDave | bomb: When you installed Debian, it should have detected your Windows partition and set up a boot entry for it. |
| 11:18.55 | liable | freaky_: apart from screen, which I unfortunately am a tard with.. |
| 11:18.57 | bomb | i know that, but it didn't |
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| 11:19.07 | ma3x | Eulex : how do i make screenshot? |
| 11:19.14 | Eulex | ma3x, hehe, 1680x1050 15.4" widescreen |
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| 11:19.21 | liable | PerfDave: thanks it did :P |
| 11:19.24 | zophyx | what is going to replace xml ? |
| 11:19.27 | Timsen | hi! |
| 11:19.29 | PerfDave | liable: Yeah, so did mine :0 |
| 11:19.33 | liable | heh |
| 11:19.39 | bomb | so is it possible to get rid of GRUB, or not |
| 11:19.39 | Eulex | ma3x, import -window root filename -- and you must have imagemagick installed for it |
| 11:19.42 | ma3x | Eulex : how can you read on that resolution |
| 11:20.05 | Timsen | i want to encrypt my hdd with the AES-module but with modinfo /lib/modules/2.6.5-1.358/kernel/crypto/* its not shown |
| 11:20.13 | Asprin | hmm at the moment i'm using xterm, for my terminal window, but there's no scrollbar on it, i also want to have say about 10 connections to different servers via ssh, is there a program that can handle all of that? |
| 11:20.22 | Eulex | ma3x, I've got good glasses :) -- and btw, 1024x768 on 15" is way too low imho |
| 11:20.40 | highvoltage | Asprin: screen is really cool. |
| 11:20.47 | highvoltage | you just type screen programname |
| 11:20.55 | PerfDave | Timsen: I think you have to compile it with module-assistant, but I could be wrong |
| 11:20.57 | highvoltage | then you can press ctrl+c to make new screens |
| 11:20.57 | Asprin | oh cool let me look at that thanks :) |
| 11:21.11 | highvoltage | and ctrl+a 1 - 9 to switch between them |
| 11:21.14 | Timsen | can't i install it by apt ? |
| 11:21.20 | ma3x | Eulex : but the bigger the resolution is the smaller the icons, menus, fonts are |
| 11:21.23 | ma3x | all that stuff gets smaller |
| 11:21.44 | Eulex | ma3x, sure, that's why I didn't choose the 1920x1200 display :P |
| 11:21.47 | freaky_ | Asprin: i use konsole, just open multiple sessions. screen is nice too indeed, but I mainly use that on the console or when I need to detach (you can login somewhere, start screen, start apps, detach, apps will remain running, reattach later) |
| 11:22.03 | Asprin | coool thanks :) |
| 11:22.13 | zophyx | kconsole |
| 11:22.14 | ma3x | Eulex : at what res. should i set my 15" laptop? |
| 11:22.16 | sepski | ma3x, so you want a vector based desktop, that you can stepless scale to the size you want? :) |
| 11:22.22 | PerfDave | Timsen: I suspect not, you usually need module-assistant for kernel-level stuff. Or at least, m-a is the easy way to do it. |
| 11:22.26 | saboteur | has anyone with a samba server seen errors in the log that say "couldn't find service x" where x is the name of a share minus the last character? |
| 11:22.38 | Eulex | ma3x, well, what can it do? |
| 11:22.43 | Timsen | k i try it |
| 11:22.47 | ma3x | Eulex : what do you mean? |
| 11:22.54 | ma3x | sepski i just want the best desktop :) |
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| 11:23.09 | ma3x | unfortunately there are too many opportunities, so i get confused |
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| 11:23.20 | Eulex | ma3x, imho a tft gets ugly if you don't use the highest resolution it can do |
| 11:23.27 | PeterB | !better |
| 11:23.33 | Shorty` | Eulex, werd. |
| 11:23.46 | Timsen | by the way which oder cryptoloop module seems to be as good as AES256 in ur opinion PerfDave |
| 11:23.56 | aeronadix | How do uninstall something installed from a .tar file. Cause I installed nescape from a .tar file, and then just now I uninstalled mozilla-browser which I had installed and uninstalled using apt-get, but now since uninstalling mozilla, netscape is gone too |
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| 11:24.16 | ma3x | Eulex : highest means like 800x600 is higher than 1024x768 ? |
| 11:24.20 | ma3x | or viceversa? |
| 11:24.21 | sepski | ma3x, hopeless quest, whats best depends on your needs, and not only do the desktops evolve over time, so do your need. you just have to try them all out.. and do the same again in a few months :)) |
| 11:24.23 | Eulex | ma3x, then just increase font size |
| 11:24.26 | PerfDave | Timsen: I don't know, I've not used cryptoloop. I just seem to remember seeing something about it in the module-assistant list. |
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| 11:24.26 | liable | aeronadix: make uninstall, if you are lucky |
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| 11:24.47 | Eulex | ma3x, 1024x768 > 800x600 |
| 11:24.48 | Timsen | ur right |
| 11:24.50 | PerfDave | aeronadix: How did you install netscape? |
| 11:24.50 | ma3x | sepski : yeap it requires some time |
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| 11:25.00 | Eulex | Shorty`, eh? |
| 11:25.04 | ma3x | Eulex lemme try and see what it would look like |
| 11:25.07 | aeronadix | PerfDave, from a .tar file using make and ./configure |
| 11:25.07 | liable | aeronadix: otherwise make -n, and remove all the shit it installed |
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| 11:25.28 | Shorty` | Eulex, I agree? :> |
| 11:25.32 | aeronadix | liable, yeah thats why I hate compiling software and love apt-get |
| 11:25.33 | pete | If I want to run a vpn server on debian, for win boxes to connect to whats the best method? |
| 11:25.58 | PerfDave | aeronadix: You didn't configure into /usr/local ? |
| 11:26.01 | liable | aeronadix: right, thats why you dont :P (unless you really need to) |
| 11:26.02 | mitu | pete: openvpn is the most simple solution |
| 11:26.06 | Eulex | ma3x, also, imho small fonts become more readable at higher resolutions |
| 11:26.07 | ma3x | Eulex : 800x600 looks really ugly |
| 11:26.07 | aeronadix | how do you install a *.deb package |
| 11:26.08 | PerfDave | pete: OpenVPN, and the Windows client at http://openvpn.se/ |
| 11:26.20 | PerfDave | aeronadix: man dpkg |
| 11:26.21 | liable | aeronadix: dpkg -i |
| 11:26.24 | aeronadix | PerfDave, I don't know |
| 11:26.27 | ma3x | and 1024x758 is max, prolly i configured it thatway in the XFree config |
| 11:26.29 | pete | mitu: PerfDave great thanks |
| 11:26.31 | PerfDave | aeronadix: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 11:26.35 | pablo--mvd | hi! does any body know how to setup a firewall between a windows 2003 domain server an clients? so that the firewall only accepts clients logging to the server a makeinuse of shared folders and nothing more? |
| 11:26.39 | Eulex | Shorty`, I just didn't know what you meant by "werd" |
| 11:26.43 | aeronadix | liable, thx, I should have remember that one |
| 11:26.45 | PerfDave | pablo--mvd: Ask |
| 11:26.49 | PerfDave | pablo--mvd: Ask #windows |
| 11:26.55 | pablo--mvd | any body knows waht ports should y open? |
| 11:27.20 | Shorty` | ah, right. |
| 11:27.50 | liable | pablo--mvd: um, why is that a #debian question? |
| 11:27.53 | Eulex | ma3x -- can the tft achieve any higher resolution? if 1024x768 is the optimal, use it |
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| 11:28.13 | aeronadix | MobyTurbo, I can't seem to download from www.opera.com for some reason |
| 11:28.21 | n0cturnal | Shorty`: newb |
| 11:28.31 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: you actually want to firewall your workstations from your server? dman what kind of environment are u in? |
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| 11:28.40 | ma3x | Eulex : i have configured the XFree86-4 bad |
| 11:28.44 | pablo--mvd | a very rare one |
| 11:28.49 | ma3x | Eulex : where can i paste you the resolution part? |
| 11:28.49 | pablo--mvd | jaja |
| 11:28.51 | ma3x | pastebin? |
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| 11:29.06 | sepski | pablo--mvd, if you have opened up shared folders. you have not much point in that firewall anymore. |
| 11:29.08 | pablo--mvd | its because the users |
| 11:29.08 | liable | ma3x: well, reconfigure it.. |
| 11:29.14 | pablo--mvd | using the workstatiuons need |
| 11:29.21 | ma3x | liable how can i reconfigure only the screen part? |
| 11:29.22 | pablo--mvd | administrative control over their machines |
| 11:29.26 | Eulex | ma3x, does the screen appear to be interpolated at 1024x768? if not, it's the highest resolution |
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| 11:29.29 | pablo--mvd | tahs why i wnat a firewall |
| 11:29.31 | Eulex | !tell pablo--mvd about enter |
| 11:29.43 | pablo--mvd | between them and the rest of the net |
| 11:29.48 | Eulex | pablo--mvd, and why are you asking that in here? |
| 11:29.53 | liable | ma3x: the resolution? |
| 11:30.09 | saboteur | eulex: because debian people are smarter? :) |
| 11:30.09 | sepski | pablo--mvd, what does that have to do with you needing a firewall ? that's very common. phh and way of topic on #debian tho |
| 11:30.17 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: that isn't a problem, give them local administrator access not network administrator access, on every pc add the domainusers to the local administrators group, they won't have any rights on the server. you are aware that you're in a linux channel tho'? |
| 11:30.24 | liable | ma3x: a do you just want to change the resolution in kde? |
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| 11:30.38 | ma3x | ma3x SubSection "Display" |
| 11:30.38 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.38 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.38 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.38 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.39 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:30.44 | Eulex | haha |
| 11:30.46 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: even worse, on a linux server :D irc.linux.org |
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| 11:30.58 | liable | stupid |
| 11:30.59 | ma3x | oops wrong paste |
| 11:30.59 | pablo--mvd | no no |
| 11:31.14 | aeronadix | PerfDave, I installed netscape to the /usr/local/netscape directory |
| 11:31.15 | ma3x | sorry |
| 11:31.17 | ma3x | http://pastebin.com/316914 |
| 11:31.25 | pablo--mvd | but.. think... what happens if one of that workstations sertup a dhcp server for example? |
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| 11:31.33 | pablo--mvd | it would be a pain! |
| 11:31.35 | Eulex | ma3x, just add the resolution you want before "1024x768" for every depth |
| 11:31.55 | PerfDave | aeronadix: Hmm, then Debian packages shouldn't have affected it at all |
| 11:31.56 | sepski | pablo--mvd, and you cant firewall that out anyway, |
| 11:32.05 | pablo--mvd | if i put a firewall between them and the server? |
| 11:32.06 | saboteur | pablo: then you need a layer 3 switch |
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| 11:32.11 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: yes it would. but trust me, not as big a pain as what you're about to do. and as sepski says, you can't firewall that |
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| 11:32.16 | ma3x | Eulex : can you paste one line example please? |
| 11:32.17 | pablo--mvd | no? cant firewall dhcp traffic? |
| 11:32.18 | liable | ma3x: reconfigure x, and add the ones you want. |
| 11:32.36 | sepski | pablo--mvd, your server is the dhcp server today, your clients neead reaching it. |
| 11:32.40 | aeronadix | PerfDave, I didn't check if it is actually installed still, I just noticed that it is gone from the blackbox menu |
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| 11:32.46 | metaperl | I'm running Debian and bash. When I type ls inside of an emacs shell, I get filenames with extraneous formatting characters (like this: ^[[0m^[[01;34mCode^[[0m ) ... how can I stop this from happening? |
| 11:32.49 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: you might want to check out GPO's, you can set what applications pc's are allowed to start. but again, this is a linux channel, not a windows networking one |
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| 11:33.01 | pablo--mvd | yes! but the firewall wil work as their dhcp server |
| 11:33.07 | Eulex | ma3x, Modes "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 11:33.08 | sepski | pablo--mvd, if one of your clients starts a dhcp server, that one would be closer to the other clients (due to your firewall) most would probably start listening to the wrong dhcp server. |
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| 11:33.26 | liable | metaperl: #emacs |
| 11:33.27 | saboteur | or he could get a layer 3 switch ;p |
| 11:33.36 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: dude, if you are going to get a firewall dhcp server when you have 2003 server running, it is about time you pick up the phone and dial 0800-ineedapro |
| 11:33.39 | pablo--mvd | and the firewall (if i can do it) will aonly allow acces to the server for : loggin into the domain, an using shared folders |
| 11:33.59 | ma3x | Eulex : so the next higher than 1024x768 is "1280x1024" for my TFT, right? |
| 11:34.04 | sepski | pablo--mvd, easier to just have the w2k3 as dhcp server, for your domain. and your clients can still run a dhcp server that mess up your network. that's when you go smack the user and say dont run a dhcp server ! |
| 11:34.12 | Eulex | ma3x, right, if your tft supports it |
| 11:34.18 | liable | !drxx ma3x |
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| 11:34.32 | sepski | pablo--mvd, and nameresolution and wins (if you have older clients) |
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| 11:34.42 | liable | bah, wheres the bots. |
| 11:34.46 | pablo--mvd | no they cant! |
| 11:34.50 | saboteur | pablo: or don't give them root/administrator access, so they can't run services |
| 11:34.51 | d03boy | !bot |
| 11:34.53 | pablo--mvd | no i have only wk clientes |
| 11:34.55 | saboteur | and don't let them plug in laptops |
| 11:35.03 | Eulex | ma3x, do you know the highest resolution your tft can do? |
| 11:35.04 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: do yourself a favor, buy small business server, it pretty stable and idiot proof, if you read the manual that is |
| 11:35.12 | pablo--mvd | you gusy are not figuring out what my problem is (let me explain) |
| 11:35.12 | sepski | pablo--mvd, basicaly you dont solve your problems with a firewall, you solve them by configuring your network correctly |
| 11:35.43 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: every respectable business has a very simple policy. computers are company property, tho' shall not modify them, unless approved by the IT administrator. |
| 11:35.43 | pablo--mvd | my net: there are w2003k servers |
| 11:35.49 | ma3x | Eulex : no idea |
| 11:35.56 | ma3x | Eulex : how can i check |
| 11:36.01 | sepski | pablo--mvd, actusaly we don't care. why dont you try #windows on this network ? |
| 11:36.02 | pablo--mvd | there are 2000 clients (all of the are compeltly secure) |
| 11:36.05 | metaperl | liable: I think the bottom line is how to turn off ANSI escape sequences in my directory listings. It isn't really an emacs question... |
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| 11:36.13 | freaky_ | sepski: do they have one? |
| 11:36.23 | pablo--mvd | but...there are some. clients that NEED! administrative rightr over thjeir machines |
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| 11:36.27 | freaky_ | whoa there are actually 4 ppl in it |
| 11:36.34 | sepski | freaky_, there are channels for almost everyting on freenode :)) |
| 11:36.35 | Eulex | ma3x, does the screen look interpolated at 1024x768? also, check the laptop specs sheet you probably have somewhere |
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| 11:37.32 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: once again, make a company policy. users are NOT allowed to do anything they don't need. like installing a dhcp server. one doesn't come standard with win2000/xp so you can NOT accidentally disable it |
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| 11:37.54 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: which gives you good grounds to fire their ass if they do it anyways, which is usually enough motivation for them not too |
| 11:38.11 | liable | metaperl: k, buggered if I know, doesnt happen in a term though with bash? |
| 11:38.35 | ma3x | Eulex : it looks interpolated |
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| 11:38.48 | sepski | pablo--mvd, it's quite common that all windows clients have admin access over their own computer, that dos not mean they have admin access on the servers. just configure your network properly and your all set. |
| 11:38.51 | ma3x | Eulex : do you know that cool eth0 bandwidth measurer in iceWM? |
| 11:38.58 | ma3x | down right in the systemtray |
| 11:39.00 | pablo--mvd | freaky: but they need to do such things (its a cisco network course ) |
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| 11:39.09 | Eulex | ma3x, eh? never used icewm |
| 11:39.15 | pablo--mvd | they need to do losts of things |
| 11:39.26 | ma3x | i want to get a little bandwidth graphical measurer |
| 11:39.29 | ma3x | but dunno what package |
| 11:39.30 | pablo--mvd | that i just cant allow to happen |
| 11:39.37 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: no _user_ EVER needs to install dhcp server |
| 11:40.20 | pablo--mvd | these students are taking clases on a course from cisco |
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| 11:40.46 | Eulex | ma3x, windows tends to know about what display modes your display can handle -- so check it to see what resolutions it can do |
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| 11:40.48 | sepski | pablo--mvd, well tehy dont need network admin access anyway now do they? |
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| 11:40.59 | pablo--mvd | they connect to ao rack whit cisco routers etc etc but! for my pain they also need some litlle acdces to my domain |
| 11:41.19 | sepski | and if they have network admin access. you cant firewall them out of the server anyway, since they can make havoc thru shared folders also :P |
| 11:41.20 | pablo--mvd | for loggin for exlample, acdcessing a web whit cisco teaching material etc |
| 11:41.24 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: in that case, firewalling their asses might make the course impractical. give all of them a seperate subnet, with routers between it. |
| 11:41.32 | Timsen | which kernel files should be installed before module-assistance works correctly |
| 11:41.43 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: if you're really giving cisco courses you should be familiar with routed vlan's they will keep your dhcp stuff safe |
| 11:41.48 | petemc | Timsen: kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 11:42.03 | pablo--mvd | yes!! tahs what i want! to ggive them a separete subnet! whit a firewall betwwen them and my servers |
| 11:42.06 | pablo--mvd | understand? |
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| 11:42.34 | ValheruLord | how can i list which partition means what in grub accent? hda1 is hd0,0 and the others? |
| 11:42.36 | ma3x | how do i restart X with a command? |
| 11:42.37 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: yes, every respectable cisco supports routed vlan's. you don't need a firewall then. every vlan is a network of it's own with virtual routers between em |
| 11:42.39 | ma3x | not by killing the HUP |
| 11:42.46 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: surely if you give courses someone there must understand it |
| 11:42.48 | ma3x | i mean not kill -HUP |
| 11:42.49 | ValheruLord | ma3x, ctrl alt backspace |
| 11:42.55 | ma3x | that's the only way? |
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| 11:43.11 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:43.21 | ValheruLord | ma3x, if you have a display manager installed than it starts again when u give this |
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| 11:43.37 | sepski | pablo--mvd, just set up any router then, what is the problem ? you cant firewall out things you want them to have access to. |
| 11:43.56 | chealer | ma3x: do you use a display manager? |
| 11:44.20 | Eulex | "eh, I want my students to have access to the web, I'll firewall port 80" |
| 11:44.38 | sepski | pablo--mvd, dhcp dont go accross routers anyway so... |
| 11:44.45 | pablo--mvd | no, im not making miself clear |
| 11:44.46 | alfatau | hi, i'm not able to understand what's the correct way to set the java environment variable on my debian box: sometime works, sometime not works... can you help me to understand what's the way to set a definitive java variable available for all users? |
| 11:44.52 | pablo--mvd | itseems |
| 11:44.59 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: i guess so |
| 11:45.09 | ma3x | chealer : yes but i wouldn't like to |
| 11:45.25 | ma3x | i mean i rm'd xdm and now i installed kde |
| 11:45.31 | ma3x | so probably its back on track |
| 11:45.36 | ma3x | freewill |
| 11:45.40 | pablo--mvd | intjeis classroom theyu have a rack with all the cisco stuff (routers etc etc9 |
| 11:45.47 | aeronadix | My mozilla was running slow and causeing netscape to run slow too,because when I removed mozilla netscape started running faster. I think mozilla-psm is to blame |
| 11:45.50 | pablo--mvd | and there are also 13 pcs |
| 11:46.07 | chealer | ma3x: sorry, I don't understand what you mean by back on track |
| 11:46.15 | pablo--mvd | sometimes they connetd to taht rack (tahs no problem) cause that rack is not fisically connected tomy net |
| 11:46.42 | pablo--mvd | but other times... the need to connect to my net (they disconnect form their rack) |
| 11:46.58 | mwilson | aeronadix: And you'd be lead to think that because...? |
| 11:47.05 | pablo--mvd | and thast when they need access to soem features of the 2003 domain |
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| 11:47.39 | pablo--mvd | for example (logging, acces to shared folers, acces to a web server hre they hace their course online etc) |
| 11:47.42 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: the dhcp server, is it running on the workstation (and for what?) or on the cisco's? since the cisco's are in the rack which is not connected to your lan anyways, what's the problem |
| 11:47.42 | Eulex | aeronadix, maybe the problem is that mozilla and netscape were running at the same time? |
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| 11:48.07 | Genghis_ | anyone else had probs with virtual network-interfaces before? |
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| 11:48.22 | pablo--mvd | dhcp server is an example of posible security proiblema imagine other "thing" if you want |
| 11:48.41 | pablo--mvd | floods... atacks of other types... |
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| 11:48.45 | sepski | pablo--mvd, yes all fine and dandy. but what do you think they can access on your w2k3 server that's more vulnerable then windows networking. |
| 11:48.51 | aeronadix | I'm not sure. But I have another issue. I can only start netscape from the command line it doesn't show up in my blackbox menu, how do i add it? |
| 11:49.08 | sepski | since you open the most vunerable too them, it is rater pointless to firewall imho. |
| 11:49.27 | sepski | and dhcp dont traversel on routers anyway. so that's not an issue. (if you give them a subnet) |
| 11:49.48 | pablo--mvd | no.. ok youere right, with the firewall i want to procect the resto of my network (including the 2300 sevrs) |
| 11:50.02 | Ronin | aeronadix: update menus or manually edit the menu file |
| 11:50.05 | ma3x | chealer : i thought i have it back installed (xdm) but its gone |
| 11:50.12 | ma3x | chealer : what display manager are you using? |
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| 11:50.15 | sepski | pablo--mvd, so with the fireall you want to give them acccess to only 1 of many servers ? |
| 11:50.24 | aeronadix | Ronin, yeah, thx |
| 11:50.28 | pablo--mvd | yes |
| 11:50.29 | sepski | pablo--mvd, why didnt you just say so then.! |
| 11:50.36 | ma3x | Eulex : any idea how to control (enable, disable) the start up items in KDE? |
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| 11:50.46 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: my advice to you would be, put up a firewall in the rack and a seperate server which they can mess up as much as they want. give them web access, and web access only through the firewall |
| 11:50.50 | ma3x | like mixer, gaim, alarm manager ... |
| 11:51.02 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: that way they don't have to shift connections either |
| 11:51.06 | pego | anyone know about forcing a disk to sync with mdadm ? mine don't want to because of too many sector error |
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| 11:51.09 | Eulex | ma3x, no |
| 11:51.12 | ma3x | you know how to edit that stuff, if it should start or not start when KDE fires up? |
| 11:51.19 | sepski | pablo--mvd, open TCP/USP 135-139 + 445 to your shared folders. and port 53 to your dns server for your domain |
| 11:51.28 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: and if they kill the server, their classmates will kill them. you go free |
| 11:51.33 | ma3x | well i installed skype for eg. |
| 11:51.40 | ma3x | and every time i start kde, it starts automatically |
| 11:51.46 | ybyygu | Anyone can help me? How can I disable someone reboot|halt the system in GNOME enviroment? |
| 11:51.53 | pablo--mvd | ok thats it! butt.. they need to shift connectios ..cause my rack does not prvide the features their rack has |
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| 11:52.15 | sepski | pablo--mvd, other then that i must agree with freaky_ just get them their own server with the needs they have |
| 11:52.24 | liable | ma3x: ~/.kde/autostart look inthere, if its in there. |
| 11:52.39 | pablo--mvd | sepski and freaky many thanks |
| 11:53.00 | freaky_ | pablo--mvd: welcome |
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| 11:53.04 | ma3x | liable: its not there |
| 11:53.07 | pablo--mvd | ill will trie opening these ports (they are the ones i was looking at) |
| 11:53.28 | ma3x | don't you guys remember |
| 11:53.32 | freaky_ | 445 opens so much more than just filesharing... you better be aware of that |
| 11:53.34 | ma3x | on every first installation that KOraganizer |
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| 11:53.47 | ma3x | down near the right corner |
| 11:53.49 | ma3x | Korganizer |
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| 11:54.30 | ma3x | and then when you right click-> exit, it asks you if it should launch auto, when kde starts |
| 11:54.34 | Brasileirinho | How use fakeroot to install a program? |
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| 11:55.15 | robbin | hi, I'm running Xebian on Xbox, but /dev/mixer doesn't work for me, I tried to run 'adduser xxx audio' or 'chmod 777 /dev/mixer', neither worked, any ideas? |
| 11:55.16 | sepski | Brasileirinho, you use fakeroot to compile and make packages. to actualy install a program/package you have to be real root. |
| 11:55.41 | Brasileirinho | ok..tanks |
| 11:55.50 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 11:56.01 | Eulex | !not debian |
| 11:56.10 | Eulex | !xebian |
| 11:56.14 | Eulex | bah |
| 11:56.22 | Eulex | robbin, xebian is not debian |
| 11:56.24 | Ronin | nice try though Eulex |
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| 11:56.51 | errrr | hi |
| 11:56.52 | robbin | OMG... |
| 11:57.12 | errrr | i was wondering if anyone knew of a backport for woody of php4 that works with apache2 |
| 11:58.05 | Eulex | badgers is dumb |
| 11:58.05 | badgers | Eulex: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 11:58.26 | ConneXion | hey what's the package name for the X font server? |
| 11:58.55 | fhffhqvb | !do Eulex |
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| 11:59.06 | PeterB | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.10 | PeterB | Oops. |
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| 11:59.39 | Eulex | ConneXion, xfs |
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| 11:59.46 | ConneXion | sweet, thanks |
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| 12:00.39 | Eulex | fhffhqvb, see, he can't even do me! :P |
| 12:00.43 | divteed | can someone unban snadge please? :) |
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| 12:01.16 | liable | fhffhqvb: your bot semms, constipated at times.. |
| 12:01.23 | liable | seems |
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| 12:03.46 | sepski | errrr, migrate to stable ? |
| 12:04.40 | ma3x | is there a realplayer or realplugin for firefox |
| 12:04.41 | ma3x | ? |
| 12:04.45 | aeronadix | My bad, firefox is working great now. IE didn't work too well on top of wine |
| 12:04.56 | chealer | ma3x: I'm using gdm |
| 12:05.15 | ma3x | chealer : is it good? |
| 12:05.21 | ma3x | lemme look for screenshot on google |
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| 12:05.58 | J_P | hi all |
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| 12:06.16 | J_P | people, how I use apt for sse how many packages i have available ? |
| 12:06.25 | trogger | how do I get grep to return just the first result? |
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| 12:06.36 | ma3x | not that impressive |
| 12:06.43 | aeronadix | j_p: apt-get install aptitude; aptitude |
| 12:06.43 | chealer | ma3x: it's the default dm |
| 12:06.43 | positrix | whilst trying to compile a program, i get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltcl but i have tcl installed... |
| 12:06.46 | Eulex | J_P, apt-cache stats |
| 12:06.56 | ma3x | i prefer to login directly to the console |
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| 12:07.02 | ma3x | and then startx |
| 12:07.07 | Eulex | positrix, any dev tcl things installed? |
| 12:07.15 | chealer | ma3x: which DE do you use? |
| 12:07.15 | positrix | Eulex yes. |
| 12:07.28 | chealer | ma3x: ask irc.mozilla.org/#firefox |
| 12:07.45 | ma3x | chealer whats DE? |
| 12:07.54 | PeterB | trogger: man grep |
| 12:07.59 | Eulex | !de |
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| 12:08.08 | Eulex | desktop environment |
| 12:08.09 | trogger | hey thanks PeterB, that's really helpful - hadn't thought of that. |
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| 12:08.23 | ma3x | ah :) |
| 12:08.25 | ma3x | well, KDE |
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| 12:08.31 | PeterB | trogger: Typical... |
| 12:08.40 | ma3x | remember K does not stand for anything |
| 12:08.47 | ma3x | it's just a letter before L |
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| 12:08.50 | ma3x | hehe |
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| 12:09.06 | aeronadix | inside my .fluxbox dir I have two files, fluxbox-menu and menu, I don't which I should edit |
| 12:09.25 | chealer | ma3x: you start X with startkde? |
| 12:09.33 | ma3x | no, just startx |
| 12:09.36 | ma3x | i have .xinitrc |
| 12:09.40 | ma3x | there is startkde |
| 12:09.44 | Eulex | trogger, man head? |
| 12:10.02 | chealer | ma3x: what does shutting down KDE do? |
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| 12:10.31 | ma3x | chealer returns me to DOS-like mode, :)) |
| 12:10.31 | chealer | ma3x: ask #firefox |
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| 12:10.46 | chealer | ma3x: sounds like that would be shutting down X too |
| 12:10.47 | Eulex | ma3x, get mplayer and w32codecs from marillat |
| 12:11.10 | chealer | oh, just a realplayer package now |
| 12:11.13 | chealer | !realplayer |
| 12:11.14 | PeterB | Eulex: It's grep -m |
| 12:11.25 | ma3x | does that include any live streaming? |
| 12:11.30 | chealer | damn bot. go to real.com |
| 12:11.33 | ma3x | some sites have like live TV |
| 12:11.38 | trogger | PeterB: thank you. One wonders why you didn't just tell me... oh well. |
| 12:11.38 | Eulex | PeterB, I dunno |
| 12:12.37 | PeterB | trogger: I hope that if I tell people to read the manpage themselves rather than reading it and telling them, they might remember to read manpages when they need something. |
| 12:12.58 | ma3x | !marillat |
| 12:13.09 | liable | I dont think you can get debian real player shits. gotta get realplayer.com shits.. |
| 12:13.14 | ma3x | Eulex : what exactly is marillat? |
| 12:13.19 | ma3x | i've located some french sites |
| 12:13.20 | trogger | PeterB: I had a [admittedly pretty quick] glance at the manpage before I came, often people don't mind quickly answering that kind of simple question. that's ok, I have my answer now. |
| 12:13.25 | liable | ma3x: heard of google? |
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| 12:13.53 | ma3x | liable yeah i just said i've seen french sites |
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| 12:13.59 | Eulex | ma3x, http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 12:14.02 | ma3x | yeah |
| 12:14.12 | Eulex | that's it and it's in english |
| 12:14.40 | positrix | !dpkg where are you? |
| 12:14.41 | badgers | okay, positrix |
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| 12:14.55 | ma3x | so i jsut add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main to the sources.list |
| 12:15.05 | ma3x | and then update, or upgrade? |
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| 12:15.51 | Eulex | ma3x, no -- update and install mplayer-586 and w32codecs |
| 12:16.02 | Eulex | ma3x, maybe gmplayer too |
| 12:16.28 | ma3x | is 586 the version, or platform? |
| 12:16.35 | Maliuta | platform |
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| 12:16.49 | Maliuta | I prefer to compile my own mplayer from source |
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| 12:17.02 | Maliuta | and get the codecs off of the website |
| 12:17.05 | ma3x | so the platform for intel 4 M would be 686? |
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| 12:17.27 | Maliuta | i believe they rolled it back to the 586 package |
| 12:17.40 | Eulex | ma3x, checked the description of the 868 one? "transitional dummy package which can be safely removed" |
| 12:17.45 | Eulex | umh, 686 |
| 12:17.55 | rixth | How do you set a background in Openbox3? |
| 12:17.55 | Maliuta | eaiser to d/l the source and build the deb from that |
| 12:18.00 | elirips | hello. i have a machine running with no graphics-card in it. i can connect to it via ssh. can i somehow do a 'startx' on this machine when connected via ssh, so that i have a desktop of this machine runnign in an xterm here on my machine? |
| 12:18.03 | ma3x | hehe |
| 12:18.28 | Slippy | rixth: use feh |
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| 12:18.48 | ma3x | is there no package for mplayer? |
| 12:18.58 | Slippy | ma3x: nope |
| 12:19.00 | liable | yes, of course |
| 12:19.01 | rixth | ma3x, not offically |
| 12:19.10 | Eulex | ma3x, there is no package named mplayer |
| 12:19.15 | rixth | !tell ma3x about maillirat |
| 12:19.20 | rixth | !tell ma3x about mallirat |
| 12:19.30 | divteed | i think you mean marillat |
| 12:19.30 | divteed | ;P |
| 12:19.32 | liable | mplayer-586 |
| 12:19.37 | Eulex | rixth, dyslexic? ;) |
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| 12:19.47 | rixth | dpkg _still_ not back online? |
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| 12:19.49 | divteed | its a tricky name to get right.. those damned french |
| 12:19.58 | vipe | does any one knows where decent reviews for external disks (firewire) can be found ? |
| 12:20.07 | rixth | Eulex, nah, French ain't my thing though! |
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| 12:20.20 | Eulex | rixth, hehe |
| 12:20.24 | liable | rixth: it wouldnt matter if dpkg was, it wouldnt have answered :P |
| 12:20.34 | rixth | Wtf, who is 'badgers' |
| 12:20.42 | rixth | He is answering !tell commands |
| 12:20.51 | liable | dpkg stand-in. |
| 12:21.04 | rixth | liable, same database of factiods? |
| 12:21.12 | liable | apparently |
| 12:21.26 | liable | sussudio's bot, I think. |
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| 12:21.55 | ma3x | Eulex : you told me twice to get mplayer from marillat and w32codecs |
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| 12:22.01 | ma3x | but where are they located? |
| 12:22.08 | ma3x | i am at the french site, i dont see them. |
| 12:22.11 | d03boy | read the instructions |
| 12:22.28 | Eulex | ma3x, if you add the apt soure to your sources.list, you can apt-get them |
| 12:22.30 | d03boy | you'll need to put the source into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:22.44 | Maliuta | last time I tried there where dependancy issues with the marillat packages |
| 12:22.53 | Maliuta | with unstable |
| 12:22.56 | liable | ma3x: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ read it.. |
| 12:22.56 | rixth | I can figure out how to use feh to set the Openbox background. |
| 12:23.15 | d03boy | Maliuta, well its unstable, what do you expect :P |
| 12:23.22 | Eulex | Maliuta, ain't there always dependency problems on sid? |
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| 12:23.53 | liable | Maliuta: hmm, did you have 'sid' or 'unstable' in source line? |
| 12:24.17 | ma3x | it gave me an error |
| 12:24.19 | ma3x | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 12:24.21 | ma3x | is that normal? |
| 12:24.21 | Maliuta | liable: unstable |
| 12:24.41 | Maliuta | d03boy: not much, I can deal withmost problems |
| 12:24.43 | liable | Maliuta: you need to use sid, I fuxored it with that too. |
| 12:24.44 | Eulex | ma3x, you have a typo in your sources.list -- and the real error is before that |
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| 12:25.14 | Maliuta | Eulex: there are a few at the moment, it doesn't happen that often though |
| 12:25.20 | liable | ma3x: did you do apt-get update ?? |
| 12:25.20 | ma3x | Server refused our connection and said: Too many connections (2) from this IP [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] |
| 12:25.25 | ma3x | yeah |
| 12:25.35 | ma3x | bad ftp |
| 12:25.40 | Maliuta | liable: is that for marillat only? |
| 12:25.46 | liable | Maliuta: yep |
| 12:25.50 | ma3x | okay worked now |
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| 12:26.15 | maxime | hi |
| 12:26.18 | Eulex | ma3x, http works better iirc |
| 12:26.22 | d03boy | anyone know what I need to do so that my usb mouse will automatically load/set itself up or whatever after X is already running? |
| 12:26.25 | liable | Maliuta: a libfbblah dependancy |
| 12:26.25 | d03boy | when I plpug it in that is |
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| 12:27.02 | ma3x | now mplayer-386 or 586? |
| 12:27.16 | Eulex | ma3x, any of them, but 586 is faster |
| 12:27.19 | pureone | !test |
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| 12:27.34 | maxime | I'm looking for import old vpopmail account (from redhat) in a new one (in debian) when I use /cgi-bin/qmailadmin I saw the users but I can modify them, anyone knows why ? (the permission seems to be good) |
| 12:27.38 | liable | ma3x: dude, you were told, scroll up, we wont hold your hand all the time. |
| 12:27.39 | pureone | who broke dpkg... |
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| 12:28.05 | Eulex | how do I set the kde theme without running kde? kde apps are really ugly |
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| 12:28.18 | ma3x | this is strange |
| 12:28.24 | ma3x | when i hit pause/break |
| 12:28.27 | ma3x | i get ~ |
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| 12:28.41 | ma3x | on my previous installation i was able to pause |
| 12:28.42 | ma3x | not anymore |
| 12:28.50 | liable | ma3x: wtf? synaptic? |
| 12:29.05 | ma3x | liable : im not talking about the installation |
| 12:29.08 | ma3x | just about typing in the console |
| 12:29.32 | d03boy | i just spent like 5 hours figuring out why my synaptics touchpad/usb mouse act funny |
| 12:30.04 | d03boy | While starting X, make sure that you don?t have a USB mouse attached, or else the touch pad won?t be detected. |
| 12:30.10 | d03boy | GOSH! ... |
| 12:30.11 | ma3x | liable : can you hit pause on your keybaord and scroll up/down |
| 12:30.30 | ma3x | you got synaptics touchpad too ? |
| 12:30.38 | positrix | how do i get those rewind/play/stop/ffw buttons on the front of laptops to work? |
| 12:30.47 | liable | ma3x: I dont even know what that button does. but yes I can. |
| 12:30.56 | asg | positrix: hopefully with linkead, xev and xbindkeys |
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| 12:30.59 | ma3x | is there way to get those multimedia keys to work |
| 12:31.26 | liable | ma3x: ^^^ asg's comment |
| 12:31.40 | ma3x | what? |
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| 12:31.51 | ma3x | ok got it |
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| 12:32.30 | PeterB | ma3x: Did you mean pausing console output? |
| 12:32.41 | ma3x | yes saint PeterB |
| 12:33.04 | PeterB | ma3x: Ctrl+S to pause, Ctrl+Q to resume. |
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| 12:33.40 | shadowcat | d03boy: you seriously need to read up |
| 12:33.49 | shadowcat | I've had a usb mouse attached to this laptop for ages |
| 12:33.53 | shadowcat | touchpad still works |
| 12:33.56 | d03boy | shadowcat, thats all ive been doing for like 5 hours |
| 12:34.01 | ma3x | PeterB that won't work |
| 12:34.08 | positrix | asg: wtf is linkead, i cant find it anywhere |
| 12:34.09 | ma3x | i get (i-search)`': |
| 12:34.12 | boycer | ooh-er - dpkg :No such nick/channel |
| 12:34.12 | d03boy | shadowcat, it used to work fine, but now that I installed the synaptics package it stopped working normally |
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| 12:34.20 | liable | lineakd |
| 12:34.20 | greycoin | i want to updgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6. everything's already installed, but my nvidia graphics card needs to be reconfigured for the 2.6 kernel. how would I do that? |
| 12:34.26 | shadowcat | d03boy: pfft liar |
| 12:34.30 | shadowcat | I have that same package installed |
| 12:34.32 | shadowcat | works fine |
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| 12:34.42 | TBBle | ma3x: That would be Ctrl+R... |
| 12:34.52 | PeterB | ma3x: Hm, works for me :/ |
| 12:34.55 | tictac | greycoin: run the nvidia installer again after you boot the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:35.15 | asg | positrix: hmm, it might have been removed from the archive |
| 12:35.19 | ma3x | ctrl+r = |
| 12:35.25 | d03boy | shadowcat, ok, when I put 'psmouse' in /etc/modules it will load the CorePointer synaptics thing just fine, and it works, but usb mouse doesnt... is there a way to make it so it loads both? |
| 12:35.27 | ma3x | reverse-i-search |
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| 12:35.51 | TBBle | Ah, so it is. |
| 12:35.57 | liable | asg: lineakd |
| 12:36.07 | asg | liable: ah, thanks |
| 12:36.11 | greycoin | tictac: i never really used an installer, i followed the steps listed here: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
| 12:36.14 | kurtak | Hello.... has anyone here successfully compiled (w/ make-kpkg) 2.6.11.11 or 2.6.11.12 sources for debian?? Everytime i try, it compiles for some time then gets a slew of errors, the first one being "drivers/char/drm/gamma-drv.c: gamma.h: no such file or directory". the steps i take are "make oldconfig", "make-kpkg kernel_image". the gcc i'm using is 3.3.5 (debian 1:3.3.5-5), and the debian version i have is the sarge net-install (before it was changed |
| 12:36.14 | kurtak | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.17 | asg | positrix: see what liable just said |
| 12:36.18 | chealer | tictac: don't use NVIDIA's installer |
| 12:36.56 | shadowcat | d03boy: why are you messing around in /etc/moduldes? |
| 12:36.57 | shadowcat | sigh |
| 12:37.05 | shadowcat | this ISN'T slackware |
| 12:37.08 | shadowcat | you have discover |
| 12:37.08 | shadowcat | use it |
| 12:37.09 | kurtak | i also have /usr/src/linux pointing to my top kernel source dir |
| 12:37.12 | shadowcat | http://pastebin.com/316945 |
| 12:37.16 | chealer | greycoin: you need to compile a kernel module for your 2.6 kernel module |
| 12:37.20 | shadowcat | go read that, might give you a few clues as well |
| 12:37.25 | d03boy | shadowcat, i'm just reading the guides that I find on google... |
| 12:37.31 | ma3x | does mplayer have gui |
| 12:37.35 | greycoin | chealer: ok, how would that go? |
| 12:37.40 | shadowcat | ma3x: gmplayer |
| 12:37.48 | shadowcat | d03boy: tuxmobil.org |
| 12:37.49 | shadowcat | read it |
| 12:37.51 | ma3x | thanks shadowcat |
| 12:37.54 | ma3x | nice nickname, btw |
| 12:38.05 | positrix | asg: yes, i saw what liable said. im busy looking into it. (let this forever be remembered as a reason we should remember to spell things properly) |
| 12:38.08 | d03boy | shadowcat, been there... done that |
| 12:38.11 | shadowcat | thanks |
| 12:38.18 | Eulex | shadowcat, why two mice? |
| 12:38.20 | shadowcat | d03boy: then you should know what you're doing :P |
| 12:38.31 | shadowcat | Eulex: because it's a laptop? |
| 12:38.39 | CAiRO | if i need to buy a cheap scanner, which one should i take that will work well together with linux? |
| 12:38.41 | shadowcat | touchpad + usb mouse |
| 12:38.46 | chealer | greycoin: check the howto, I have to go. use module-assistant |
| 12:38.56 | ma3x | shadowcat : where do you download gmplayer as a package? |
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| 12:39.05 | greycoin | chealer: ok, thanks |
| 12:39.11 | d03boy | shadowcat, you're not using the synaptics driver are you? ... |
| 12:39.18 | Eulex | shadowcat, ok, now I say the difference between them -- but you're still not using different devices for them? and shouldn't you use synaptic for the touchpad instead of mouse? |
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| 12:39.32 | g0rd0n | i have a machine with two ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1. how can i "route" the eth0 (internet) to eth1 (local net), so i can use the internet on the local net? |
| 12:39.42 | shadowcat | Eulex: that's what I'm using |
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| 12:39.45 | shadowcat | look at the pastebin |
| 12:39.54 | shadowcat | it's my XFree86-config-4 file |
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| 12:40.04 | hramrach | Hello |
| 12:40.17 | hramrach | What package do I need to get gnome control panel? |
| 12:40.38 | d03boy | shadowcat, our files are basically the same except my touchpad is the CorePointer |
| 12:40.52 | d03boy | and I have Load "synaptics" at the top |
| 12:40.53 | shadowcat | well gee that might be problematic |
| 12:40.54 | rixth | I can figure out how to use feh to set the Openbox background. Is there an easier way? |
| 12:40.55 | asg | g0rd0n: using iptables and NAT |
| 12:41.02 | shadowcat | CorePointer should be with generic mouse |
| 12:41.12 | d03boy | shadowcat, what if I dont have a mouse on me? |
| 12:41.24 | shadowcat | sigh |
| 12:41.34 | Eulex | shadowcat, sorry, didn't see that -- looked at the first two Section "InputDevice" and didn't understand what you were trying to achieve |
| 12:41.35 | shadowcat | obviously you DON'T understand the term generic |
| 12:41.46 | d03boy | obviously I dont |
| 12:41.49 | ma3x | shadowcat i can't find gmplayer |
| 12:42.08 | shadowcat | d03boy: just copy and use my XFree config file |
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| 12:42.15 | liable | g0rd0n: look at shorewall/firehol, for an easy solution. |
| 12:42.21 | d03boy | shadowcat, your core pointer is the Configured mouse though |
| 12:42.25 | shadowcat | and change the keyboard/resolution settings to match |
| 12:42.25 | ma3x | shadowcat got it |
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| 12:42.37 | liable | ma3x: just get mplayer-586 ffs |
| 12:42.53 | shadowcat | there's an mplayer package in debian now? |
| 12:42.55 | shadowcat | since when? |
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| 12:43.04 | shadowcat | !info mplayer-586 |
| 12:43.12 | liable | shadowcat: marillat |
| 12:43.24 | liable | shadowcat: and dpkg is offline.. |
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| 12:43.33 | shadowcat | liable: does that fix the stupid xv error with i810? |
| 12:43.38 | Kvant | ~info mplayer-586 |
| 12:43.39 | eXa_bOy | evening all |
| 12:43.41 | ma3x | liable: what is ffs? |
| 12:43.47 | liable | shadowcat: works for me. |
| 12:43.54 | asg | ma3x: apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is ffs |
| 12:43.57 | liable | ma3x: for fucks sake :P |
| 12:44.00 | shadowcat | liable: when playing dvds? |
| 12:44.00 | eXa_bOy | whats the easiest way to impliment ssl into apache? |
| 12:44.15 | ma3x | when i start gmplayer i get this error New_face failed Maybe the font path is wrong |
| 12:44.35 | liable | shadowcat: actually, stand by, I havent played em on this for a long time.. |
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| 12:45.12 | shadowcat | liable: because last I checked |
| 12:45.17 | ircrob | ma3x: i use vlc |
| 12:45.18 | shadowcat | xv was broken for i810 |
| 12:45.23 | shadowcat | an I checked yesturday |
| 12:45.28 | shadowcat | this is with mplayer 1.0pre7 |
| 12:45.29 | d03boy | shadowcat, my touchpad doeosnt work unless I load psmouse |
| 12:45.31 | liable | shadowcat: actually, um, I dont have i810 chipset.. |
| 12:45.32 | shadowcat | compiled from scratch |
| 12:45.37 | d03boy | i actually have an Alps touchpad |
| 12:45.44 | shadowcat | liable: figures |
| 12:45.45 | shadowcat | ack |
| 12:45.47 | eXa_bOy | i want to get my cgi-bin ssl for use with courierwebadmin. |
| 12:46.01 | shadowcat | THEN wtf are you going on about synaptics for |
| 12:46.10 | ma3x | ircrob good choice |
| 12:46.11 | d03boy | because it works with synaptics drivers |
| 12:46.25 | liable | shadowcat: whats the problem with xv anyway? |
| 12:46.26 | shadowcat | apparently it doesn't |
| 12:46.30 | shadowcat | or you wouldn't be here |
| 12:46.50 | shadowcat | liable: there's a documented bug with xv and X all the upto the latest one in the debian repository |
| 12:46.53 | shadowcat | where it's fixed |
| 12:46.57 | shadowcat | unfortunately |
| 12:47.10 | shadowcat | there are so many bugs filed against xserver-xorg at the moment |
| 12:47.19 | shadowcat | that I am heistant on pulling it in |
| 12:47.23 | liable | shadowcat: and it is? to stop me looking. |
| 12:47.30 | PeterB | ma3x: You can try this for the pause thing: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/130#comment_36 |
| 12:47.35 | shadowcat | liable: basically you get a blue screen in xine |
| 12:47.40 | shadowcat | and mplayer simply crashes |
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| 12:47.45 | ma3x | PeterB letme check it |
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| 12:48.51 | eXa_bOy | lo |
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| 12:48.56 | Ronin | wheee here we go again |
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| 12:50.02 | w_emfpilot | wtf was that all about |
| 12:50.10 | Rawplayer | !ops can you ban those fuQers |
| 12:50.13 | shadowcat | umm |
| 12:50.14 | Ronin | just our daily lamers |
| 12:50.16 | d03boy | that was sort of a pathetic attempt at a flood |
| 12:50.16 | shadowcat | we still have +i |
| 12:50.20 | Ms-W0rld | NO OPS |
| 12:50.22 | Ms-W0rld | ALL BOTS |
| 12:50.23 | Ms-W0rld | LOL |
| 12:50.28 | shadowcat | d03boy: compared to efnet standards yeah |
| 12:50.29 | Ronin | Ms-W0rld: tons of ops actually |
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| 12:50.37 | Rawplayer | indeed |
| 12:50.38 | eXa_bOy | anyone? |
| 12:50.41 | Rawplayer | where is dpkg? |
| 12:50.42 | Ms-W0rld | wb Md |
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| 12:50.48 | liable | no, debian hasnt seen an op for hours. |
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| 12:50.56 | oszsy790 | JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!!JvØuŠ_ßèZ!!!! |
| 12:51.04 | Rawplayer | Md: do you job! |
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| 12:51.09 | Rawplayer | your |
| 12:51.17 | ma3x | PeterB : did you mean to try that stty stop '^-' and stty start '^-' stuff |
| 12:51.22 | Ronin | this too shall pass |
| 12:51.31 | ma3x | ah come on, just ignore him guys |
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| 12:51.49 | ma3x | there you go, he's out. |
| 12:51.50 | fhffhqvb | in soviet russia, fucktards spam you |
| 12:51.52 | Md | any other morons around? |
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| 12:52.07 | PeterB | ma3x: Yes. And read comment #26 too. Except you want to turn it on instead of turning it off. |
| 12:52.14 | asg | Md: other than the usualy ones, no. |
| 12:52.28 | asg | s/ly/l/ |
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| 12:52.39 | ma3x | PeterB : that means put stty start '^-' only right? |
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| 12:52.58 | Guerin | i think all the ops are on planes returning from debconf |
| 12:53.11 | shadowcat | heh |
| 12:53.12 | asg | Guerin: grey didn't go |
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| 12:53.14 | d03boy | shadowcat, why dont you Load "synaptics" in your xfree file? |
| 12:53.16 | Burps_ | did someone mess with hplip here ? |
| 12:53.22 | shadowcat | d03boy: I do |
| 12:53.25 | shadowcat | go read it again |
| 12:53.27 | d03boy | oh, gah i'm blind |
| 12:53.29 | Burps_ | cant' set it up correctly :( |
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| 12:53.41 | Guerin | asg: yeah, nor bob2, but helix and don and Hydroxide and asuffield certainly did |
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| 12:53.57 | asg | Guerin: ah, I didn't know don when. I know andy and helix did |
| 12:54.16 | Guerin | asg: his beautiful mugshot is in the photo |
| 12:54.22 | asg | hah |
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| 12:55.38 | eXa_bOy | has anyone been able to get apache to run ssl? |
| 12:55.52 | doub | !anyone |
| 12:55.54 | asg | eXa_bOy: which apache? which debian? |
| 12:55.54 | doub | huh |
| 12:55.59 | highvoltage | eXa_bOy: lots of people have |
| 12:56.20 | fhffhqvb | !test |
| 12:56.20 | badgers | No, fhffhqvb, you're not online any more. |
| 12:56.24 | fhffhqvb | mreh. |
| 12:56.27 | Kvant | ~test |
| 12:56.27 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 12:56.33 | fhffhqvb | someone's been fucking with the bot. |
| 12:56.39 | asg | fhffhqvb: badgers or dpkg? |
| 12:56.43 | fhffhqvb | asg: both |
| 12:56.45 | eXa_bOy | ok well can someone point me to a nice how to :) debian sarge, and apatche 1.3 |
| 12:56.55 | asg | fhffhqvb: well, dpkg was attacked by kawfee or someone like him earlier |
| 12:57.14 | fhffhqvb | asg: nation of fuckards? |
| 12:57.20 | asg | eXa_bOy: apt-get install apache ; apt-get install libapache-mod-ssl |
| 12:57.23 | asg | fhffhqvb: of course |
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| 12:57.37 | liable | weee, I cant mount a cd or dvd, since god knows what update. |
| 12:57.44 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: no, all of the people who offer ssl use Microsoft IIS |
| 12:57.51 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: including me |
| 12:57.59 | Guerin | i run it in emulation on my debian box |
| 12:58.11 | eXa_bOy | your a knob then |
| 12:58.12 | greycat | liable: forgot hdc=ide-scsi in your menu.lst perhaps? |
| 12:58.16 | asg | Guerin: bah, you know apache on Netware is the bomb |
| 12:58.16 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: apt-get install apache-ssl apache- |
| 12:58.40 | doub | liable: isn't ide-scsi deprecated on 2.6 series? |
| 12:58.47 | Guerin | asg: speaking of which, the NZ Min of Edu just went for SuSe on the desktop in public skools |
| 12:58.55 | eXa_bOy | whats the apache- ?? |
| 12:58.59 | asg | Guerin: oh, interesting. |
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| 12:59.08 | liable | greycat: never needed it before, havent used cdrom for a while, been a cd in it for months, but just tried, and no joy. |
| 12:59.08 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: it removes apache-non-ssl |
| 12:59.31 | gunnix | Hi, I try making a custom debian install cd, all files are ok, but during boot I get "The CD-ROM contains a non-Debian CD. Please insert a Debian CD to continue with the installation." |
| 12:59.32 | liable | doub: yes indeed, did I say anything about it? |
| 12:59.35 | greycat | liable: ok, my mind-reading skill check failed. |
| 12:59.37 | gunnix | anyone know how debian installation checks if it's the right cd? |
| 12:59.43 | liable | greycat: hah. |
| 12:59.48 | greycat | liable: I guess that means you'll have to provide details the old-fashioned way |
| 13:00.01 | doub | liable: no, in fact i was talking to greycat, sorry |
| 13:00.03 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: the apache-ssl sample httpd.conf has exhaustive examplitude on how to set up both ssl and non-ssl servers listening on different ports |
| 13:00.11 | greycat | doub: I still run 2.4.x |
| 13:00.16 | Guerin | gunnix: md5sum, i think |
| 13:00.31 | doub | greycat: yeah i guessed so |
| 13:00.37 | `UD | i'm using tightvncserver, i want to know if this is normal. i have vnc listening on the linux machine, i'm using win32 vncviewer to connect to the linux machine, it connects but i dont get the desktop display of icons menu etc |
| 13:00.45 | gunnix | md5sum should be right, as all the files are the same, I just added other files on the iso |
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| 13:01.04 | liable | greycat: nah, sorry, was just stating a fact, and will try and fix it, but cant really be fuxored working out what is going on know. Sorry, should've kept me mouth shut.. |
| 13:01.04 | gunnix | there's idd a md5sum.txt on the iso |
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| 13:01.25 | greycoin | i'm having a problem with cd-burning. i need to change from ide-cdrom to ide-scsi, but i'm not sure how to. |
| 13:02.19 | einsteinmg | greycoin: why do you want to change to ide-scsi? |
| 13:02.23 | PeterB | ma3x: Actually, ^- won't work. You can use some other character instead of -, N for example. You can leave the 'start' key as ^Q. |
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| 13:02.42 | eXa_bOy | Guerin does this include ssl for the cgi-bin? |
| 13:02.54 | chaps0063 | what do i add to /etc/fstab to mount my fat32 partition rw for all users. |
| 13:03.23 | gunnix | Guerin: and when I remove all entries in the md5sum.txt it still doesn't work (it won't get an error checking md5 then I guess) |
| 13:03.48 | greycoin | einstenmg: nerolinux tells me that that's what I have to do to burn CDs |
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| 13:05.46 | einsteinmg | greycoin: just use a real (tm) burning prog instead, like k3b (okok it's only a frontend ;) |
| 13:06.00 | metaperl | when will dpkg be back online? |
| 13:06.29 | fhffhqvb | !do metaperl |
| 13:06.43 | flok420 | !do sex |
| 13:06.52 | flok420 | :) |
| 13:06.53 | tictac | chealer: whats wrong with the nvidia installer? |
| 13:07.17 | fhffhqvb | asg: forkbombs suck |
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| 13:08.07 | drac | tictac: Then 'dpkg' wouldn't have any idea that you have it installed, and on next dist-upgrade when X or MesaGL upgrades files are overwritten. |
| 13:08.19 | drac | or upgrade, or something even smaller |
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| 13:08.47 | hramrach | greycoin: you change to ide-scsi by telling the kernel on the command line (like hdc=ide-scsi) |
| 13:08.57 | hashar | anyone know about font configuration under debian ? I got ugly rendering of my fonts. I took some screenshots to explain the problem at : http://twenkill.dyndns.org/debianfonts/ |
| 13:09.26 | hramrach | Or while loading the ide module |
| 13:09.44 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: it includes ssl for whatever you want |
| 13:09.54 | hramrach | By a parameter to the module probably |
| 13:10.07 | drac | hashar: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, and change some settings ? |
| 13:10.29 | asg | fhffhqvb: yes |
| 13:10.36 | hashar | drac> does not change anything :(( |
| 13:10.41 | fhffhqvb | blootbot should probably have a sanity check or something. |
| 13:10.45 | hramrach | I solved cd burning by putting the burner into a firewire enclosure )of known working type) |
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| 13:11.23 | hramrach | Though firewire is quite buggy it is better for burning than ide right now :P |
| 13:12.04 | drac | hashar: KDE Control Panel, .. Fonts .. Anti-Aliasing and Hinting |
| 13:12.14 | Guerin | or better |
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| 13:12.19 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 13:12.25 | drac | I allready said that. |
| 13:12.30 | axelS | hi all |
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| 13:12.46 | hramrach | Hello |
| 13:12.52 | hashar | i dont want antialiasing, it makes me "sick" after a long time in front of the screen :( |
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| 13:13.13 | hail04 | not asking for people to bite at me or nothing, not great at it all but what would be the easiest, safest and best mail software for me to use to send/recieve email and access via pop3? |
| 13:13.41 | hramrach | mutt? |
| 13:13.44 | eXa_bOy | surely i dont just copy over my existing httpd.conf file with the ssl version? or is it that simple? |
| 13:13.48 | hramrach | :D |
| 13:13.51 | tictac | sylpheed? |
| 13:14.07 | hramrach | evolution? thunderbird? |
| 13:14.13 | Guerin | mutt |
| 13:14.16 | Maliuta | pine |
| 13:14.21 | hail04 | pardon me I made a mistake in my phrase |
| 13:14.22 | hramrach | gnus |
| 13:14.24 | Guerin | sylpheed-claws-gtk2 being a distantsecond |
| 13:14.26 | hail04 | mail servers |
| 13:14.29 | hail04 | lol |
| 13:14.32 | Guerin | pine |
| 13:14.34 | Guerin | jesus |
| 13:14.38 | Guerin | what a waste of fucking space |
| 13:14.44 | hashar | I use telnet :p |
| 13:14.48 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: no |
| 13:15.03 | metaperl | guys, badgers nfo for dvd is out of date. opendvd.org is a spam-like site. and linuxvideo.org does not respond... I need to locate info on how to make archival copies of my DVDs. as in what packages to install and how to do it.. |
| 13:15.06 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: you need to copy the relevant bits across, and then alter it to use ssl for some parts |
| 13:15.07 | hramrach | hail04: depends on your setup |
| 13:15.10 | rosemary | hail04: it's personal preference and you'll get lots of opinions :-) I like thunderbird |
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| 13:15.18 | Guerin | metaperl: fgi |
| 13:15.21 | hramrach | For simple stuff I use postfix and like it |
| 13:15.22 | tictac | hashar: telnet wont run ssl... :P |
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| 13:15.27 | metaperl | Guerin: fgi means what? |
| 13:15.35 | simonrvn | @fgi |
| 13:15.36 | ravenbird | $1: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=$2 |
| 13:15.42 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 13:15.47 | simonrvn | hmm, needs work |
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| 13:15.52 | hail04 | postfix only does smtp however...I would like to still access my emails using outlook effectively via pop3? |
| 13:15.52 | Guerin | oh, he wants a mail server |
| 13:16.21 | Guerin | hail04: use courier-pop3d or better yet, courier-imapd |
| 13:16.27 | hail04 | heh fgi search |
| 13:16.36 | `UD | when i remote desktop using a vncviewer from windows to a linux machine, i should still get the linux desktop right, icons menu etc? |
| 13:16.42 | liable | metaperl: doom9.org, though fuck all linux stuff, but still a good site.. |
| 13:16.43 | simonrvn | fixed |
| 13:17.00 | hramrach | yes, I like courier-imapd. And outlook 2003 finally supports imap |
| 13:17.00 | Guerin | @fgi simonrvn fishpaste |
| 13:17.00 | ravenbird | simonrvn: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fishpaste |
| 13:17.05 | Guerin | pwn |
| 13:17.17 | Guerin | lookout has supported imap for ages |
| 13:17.27 | Guerin | even lookout express did, back when i used it |
| 13:17.39 | pureone | http://moon.google.com/ |
| 13:17.41 | CAiRO | if i need to buy a cheap scanner, which one should i take that will work well together with linux? |
| 13:17.49 | hramrach | express did, but outlook did not |
| 13:17.53 | metaperl | liable: thanks |
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| 13:18.07 | Guerin | @fgi CAiRO which+scanner+linux |
| 13:18.07 | ravenbird | CAiRO: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=which+scanner+linux |
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| 13:19.12 | hramrach | How do I change my mouse cursor? |
| 13:19.25 | hramrach | without running gnome-session |
| 13:19.29 | Guerin | hramrach: update-alternatives |
| 13:19.44 | hramrach | ? |
| 13:19.51 | am | anyone know if we have a patch repository for the debian bugzilla? |
| 13:19.57 | Guerin | hramrach: do you know how to read a manual page? |
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| 13:20.05 | Guerin | am: debian has no bugzilla |
| 13:20.06 | hramrach | I d not know alternatives for mouse cursor |
| 13:20.23 | am | Guerin: I mean for the package it contains. |
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| 13:20.40 | Guerin | am: the debian bugzilla package? |
| 13:20.44 | am | Guerin: yep |
| 13:20.50 | drac | hramrach: Install cursors to ~/.icons and use .Xdefault |
| 13:20.59 | am | Guerin: it has an lfs standard so the patches don't apply cleanly, you have to modify them |
| 13:21.09 | Guerin | am: well, debian doesn't exactly host patch repositories ... this here is a binary distro, see. |
| 13:21.14 | simonrvn | .Xresources |
| 13:21.18 | am | Guerin: I have done so and would like to know if I should post them anywhere for others to use |
| 13:21.27 | Guerin | am: i clearly am misunderstanding wth you're on about |
| 13:21.54 | CAiRO | Guerin: that doesn't help me a bit.. just don't answer if you don't know one |
| 13:22.00 | am | Geurin: the debian bugzilla is not easily patchable. |
| 13:22.19 | hramrach | drac: I suspect not everything uses .Xresources but I will try to look at it |
| 13:22.20 | Guerin | CAiRO: yes, it fucking does |
| 13:22.30 | am | Geurin: two patches that are useful for bugzilla do not apply cleanly and must be modified |
| 13:22.37 | AjLavJo | behave would be nice from adults |
| 13:22.47 | Guerin | CAiRO: this is not a hardware support channel, this is not a generic linux channel, and this is most certainly not a scanner channel |
| 13:22.51 | am | Guerin: I wondered if there was a place to post these for other debian bugzilla users |
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| 13:23.07 | CAiRO | Guerin: lol, just shut up if only shit comes our of your mouth |
| 13:23.07 | Guerin | am: don't apply cleanly to what? The debian bugzilla source? |
| 13:23.15 | AjLavJo | this is a exellent help channel / network so treat it with respect :) |
| 13:23.15 | am | Guerin: correct |
| 13:23.17 | drac | hramrach: Everything uses .Xdefaults at least, never used .Xresources so I wouldn't know. |
| 13:23.34 | Guerin | CAiRO: if you can point out what I've said that's not strictly correct, I'll gladly shut the fuck up. Otherwise... |
| 13:23.50 | Guerin | am: unsurprisingly, since debian sources are patched themselves |
| 13:24.22 | Guerin | am: i guess you can file a wishlist bug to have your patches included in teh debian package |
| 13:24.22 | setog3 | Guerin, ok, ebay works fine with links , konqueror crash .. and mozilla, mozilla-firefox, hazehakaze : crash |
| 13:24.23 | am | Guerin: correct, hence the reason I have modified useful patches for others running debian for bugzilla |
| 13:24.59 | AjLavJo | run lynx then if you can't solve your own problems |
| 13:25.00 | Guerin | am: there's no central user-submitted patch repository, however. |
| 13:25.04 | CAiRO | Guerin: i don't need smart-ass answers, those don't help me.. i know it's not strictly a scanner channel but still debian does support scanners.. so why not ask a question about them? |
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| 13:25.07 | fhffhqvb | oh, is fucktardo CAiRO here again? |
| 13:25.08 | am | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 13:25.11 | setog3 | can somebody try the same pages, and say to me if it crash too ? |
| 13:25.58 | Guerin | CAiRO: you fucking idiot. You haven't even fucking clicked the google link i gave you |
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| 13:26.09 | AjLavJo | mozilla and konquer sucks in my opinion and always have |
| 13:26.15 | AjLavJo | exept firefox...that's much nicer |
| 13:26.24 | Guerin | CAiRO: how about i just feed you the nipple: http://www.buzzard.me.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html ; fift hit on a google of which scanner linux |
| 13:26.29 | Guerin | CAiRO: now fuck off |
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| 13:26.39 | Guerin | you twat |
| 13:26.50 | fhffhqvb | !+dict twat |
| 13:26.53 | badgers | Dictionary 'twat' (2 shown): a man who is a stupid incompetent fool ;; obscene terms for female genitals . |
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| 13:26.55 | Guerin | setog3: what branch of debian? |
| 13:27.05 | CAiRO | Guerin: i rather think you have a problem to understand questions.. just don't interpret them too much but take them as they are.. lol |
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| 13:27.10 | Whisky_ | Why Linux? Why not Windowz? ;p |
| 13:27.16 | Guerin | CAiRO: ask better questions |
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| 13:27.27 | CAiRO | don't answer if you don't know one :) |
| 13:27.29 | Guerin | Whisky_: don't troll |
| 13:27.34 | Whisky_ | :O |
| 13:27.38 | Guerin | CAiRO: don't ask if you can't google |
| 13:27.38 | CAiRO | or if you don't understand the question |
| 13:27.45 | AjLavJo | "explaining the problem is half the solution" |
| 13:27.58 | CAiRO | sure, i will continue to ask.. even if i can't google.. where's the connection between that? |
| 13:27.59 | Guerin | CAiRO: i understood just fine |
| 13:28.04 | Guerin | !order |
| 13:28.13 | Guerin | badgers, where are you? |
| 13:28.14 | badgers | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 13:28.24 | Whisky_ | Guerin: Im bored :S |
| 13:28.31 | Guerin | !+order |
| 13:28.31 | badgers | [order] if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 13:28.33 | rosemary | CAiRO: why don't you just try the google or the link |
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| 13:28.38 | Guerin | CAiRO: read above |
| 13:28.42 | AjLavJo | CAiRO, change distro if you can't handle it...try something more simple as knoppix or some |
| 13:28.56 | Guerin | AjLavJo: that's nothing to do with his question |
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| 13:29.14 | AjLavJo | okay |
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| 13:29.27 | eXa_bOy | Guerin... whats your favorite debian package? |
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| 13:29.35 | X_D_Tempo | Hi everybody from ITALY |
| 13:29.47 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: emacs21 |
| 13:29.51 | fhffhqvb | !wednesday |
| 13:29.51 | badgers | wednesday is probably see thursday |
| 13:29.56 | FieldySnuts | how come dpkg is named "badgers"? |
| 13:30.05 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: he's not dpkg, he's badgers |
| 13:30.07 | fhffhqvb | got anything against badgers? |
| 13:30.12 | FieldySnuts | oh. seperate? |
| 13:30.25 | FieldySnuts | !date fhffhqvb |
| 13:30.29 | FieldySnuts | hrm. |
| 13:30.31 | Guerin | he's dpkg's understudy |
| 13:30.33 | X_D_Tempo | Is there anyone that can help me with KOLAB ? |
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| 13:31.08 | FieldySnuts | badgers: rot13 fhffhqvb |
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| 13:31.09 | badgers | sussudio |
| 13:31.11 | FieldySnuts | thought so |
| 13:31.24 | eXa_bOy | is there a way to see the current logged in users in debian? |
| 13:31.26 | FieldySnuts | i am so smart. I am so smart. S M R T. |
| 13:31.29 | liable | heh |
| 13:31.30 | FieldySnuts | I mean S M A R T |
| 13:31.34 | pureone | hehe |
| 13:31.37 | Guerin | qotdlol |
| 13:31.42 | FieldySnuts | good homer simpson line |
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| 13:31.53 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: w |
| 13:31.58 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: or who |
| 13:31.59 | eXa_bOy | w? |
| 13:32.00 | fhffhqvb | !fist apt |
| 13:32.05 | eXa_bOy | oooh ok |
| 13:32.07 | eXa_bOy | yta |
| 13:32.08 | CAiRO | rosemary: because it doesn't answer my question, i'm looking for a recommandation for a cheap scanner that will work well together with my debian/linux.. i know there are hardware dbs that show all supported scanners.. but most of them aren't sold anymore or aren't cheap.. |
| 13:32.14 | FieldySnuts | badgers: date fhffhqvb |
| 13:32.15 | badgers | FieldySnuts: I give up, what is it? |
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| 13:32.18 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 13:32.21 | simonrvn | oh that reminds me |
| 13:32.28 | Guerin | CAiRO: that page is FUCKING RAMMED WITH RECOMMENDATIONS |
| 13:32.33 | eidolon | 'lo folks. is 'elm' considered application-non-grata in debian? i don't see a package for it in Sarge. |
| 13:32.34 | FieldySnuts | @hire fhffhqvb |
| 13:32.42 | CAiRO | Guerin: you just don't understand my question.. |
| 13:32.44 | X_D_Tempo | ... have a nice day, bye. |
| 13:32.44 | FieldySnuts | oh it just had to pick LoRez as the random second person, didn't it? |
| 13:32.49 | Guerin | CAiRO: yes, I fucking do |
| 13:32.49 | FieldySnuts | sorry LoRez :P |
| 13:33.06 | jm_ | !irritate Guerin |
| 13:33.07 | badgers | $1: hi every1 who uses gnome ???/ |
| 13:33.09 | LoRez | /kline FieldySnuts |
| 13:33.09 | rosemary | CAiRO: read the page then try on-line auctions or second hand shops |
| 13:33.12 | jm_ | darn |
| 13:33.15 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 13:33.18 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:33.22 | CAiRO | Guerin: obviously not as i'm not satisfied with your answer... |
| 13:33.27 | Guerin | LoRez: while you're here, +q on CAiRO would be nice |
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| 13:33.32 | FieldySnuts | no doubt |
| 13:33.43 | Guerin | CAiRO: your question is nothing to do with debian, and you've already been given the motherfucking answer |
| 13:33.45 | rosemary | or maybe try LUG CAiRO |
| 13:33.51 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.51 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 13:33.58 | FieldySnuts | what is badgers, an older verison of dpkg? dpkg had a lot of thsoe factoids fixed or changed |
| 13:34.18 | fhffhqvb | nein |
| 13:34.22 | simonrvn | badgers comes in when dpkg is on the fritz |
| 13:34.22 | badgers | okay, simonrvn |
| 13:34.23 | jm_ | badgers: where are you? |
| 13:34.23 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: dpkg is in the great bitbucket in the sky, and until he's resurrected, badgers is pretending |
| 13:34.23 | badgers | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 13:34.28 | simonrvn | oops |
| 13:34.30 | fhffhqvb | this is dpkg's latest database. |
| 13:34.35 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@emelfm2.org] by LoRez |
| 13:34.37 | FieldySnuts | i see |
| 13:34.39 | simonrvn | badgers: forget comes in when dpkg |
| 13:34.39 | badgers | simonrvn: i forgot comes in when dpkg |
| 13:34.57 | Guerin | !beer LoRez |
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| 13:35.13 | FieldySnuts | !say badger badger badger |
| 13:35.14 | badgers | badger badger badger |
| 13:35.28 | setog3 | I think my firefox crash isn't due to firefox (sorry firefox) , but to something different , like an x lib .. |
| 13:35.37 | Guerin | schmoozing the boss can be worthwhile |
| 13:35.38 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 13:35.48 | Guerin | setog3: it's apparently due to gecko |
| 13:35.59 | FieldySnuts | now if i can just get badgers to say "? we don't NEED no STEENKIN BADGERS!!" UHF line |
| 13:36.04 | liable | setog3: wasnt it you earlier that said it was ghecko? |
| 13:36.17 | liable | !lose me |
| 13:36.19 | badgers | liable: You Lose. |
| 13:36.20 | jm_ | I noticed firefox 1.0.5 in sid and thought, hey let's install this on Sarge, only to find out it's already linked with gcc 4.0 stuff ;) |
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| 13:36.29 | Guerin | i think it might have been him, actually |
| 13:36.31 | FieldySnuts | jm_: heh. you lose |
| 13:36.46 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: I'm sure someone will backport it quickly |
| 13:36.53 | ercin | aynone tried 2.6.12 with the cko3 patch? |
| 13:36.55 | FieldySnuts | wouldn't count on that |
| 13:37.01 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 13:37.02 | badgers | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:37.08 | FieldySnuts | ercin: you might wanna ask a kernel channel, not a debian issue |
| 13:37.19 | ercin | :) |
| 13:37.27 | Guerin | anyway, ff 1.05 will be obsolete in a short while |
| 13:37.35 | Guerin | and it's apparently broken on sid |
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| 13:37.43 | liable | nah |
| 13:37.46 | jm_ | ahh, so better wait then |
| 13:37.50 | Guerin | yeh |
| 13:37.57 | saboteur | i made a debian-intaller mini.iso but it kernel panics when it tries to mount its root (loads initrd fine though), any ideas? |
| 13:37.57 | liable | nah |
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| 13:38.13 | Guerin | that said, it's working fine for me |
| 13:38.15 | Guerin | on sid |
| 13:38.18 | eXa_bOy | greycat you there? |
| 13:38.24 | snooo | whats the name of the program that can help grab appropriate pkgs during compiles and the like? |
| 13:38.31 | Guerin | anhi: auto-apt |
| 13:38.34 | snooo | cheers |
| 13:38.36 | Guerin | snooo: ^^^ |
| 13:38.44 | l33tch | hey, can anyone help with, well i think its permisions... I can't login to X and the error is that it couldn't create per-user gnome directory? |
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| 13:39.03 | Guerin | l33tch: user got write perms to their own homedir? |
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| 13:39.30 | useruser | l33tch: existing file (not directory) ~/.gnome* ? |
| 13:39.40 | l33tch | how do i check... a new installation and a relatively new user |
| 13:39.42 | l33tch | yup |
| 13:39.55 | FieldySnuts | heh. firefox and thunderbird 1.0.6 just got released anyway |
| 13:39.55 | Guerin | l33tch: delete it |
| 13:40.10 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: edzachary |
| 13:40.18 | FieldySnuts | if you say so |
| 13:40.33 | Shadowcat | firefox 1.0.5 is obsolete |
| 13:40.37 | Shadowcat | 1.0.6 just got released |
| 13:40.51 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 13:41.03 | FieldySnuts | like i just fucking said. |
| 13:41.03 | l33tch | sorry, that's the directory it can't create... doesn't exist |
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| 13:41.58 | useruser | l33tch: if you know the name of the directory, go to a command line and use mkdir to (try to) create it yourself |
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| 13:42.23 | l33tch | ah, the user has no write permission... how can i fix this |
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| 13:42.35 | l33tch | (just tried to create the dir) |
| 13:42.49 | useruser | l33tch: ls -ld ~ |
| 13:42.55 | useruser | l33tch: what does it say? |
| 13:42.58 | liable | fuck your joking? 1.06? I just got 1.05, I hate that, have to fuck with it every release to get my silly thinkpad keys to work. |
| 13:43.05 | pi_ | Yo. |
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| 13:43.13 | pi_ | I'm looking for a console based mib browser. |
| 13:43.33 | pi_ | I need to write some snmp web apps for controlling network devices. |
| 13:43.37 | setog3 | Guerin, it wasn't a crash , I must just wait :D , I have run firefox on this page, wait 5 minutes after the "freeze" and finally the page display well , thx to intel and to the funny celeron 533 |
| 13:43.38 | l33tch | um, anyone know which key on a us kb corresponds to tilde? |
| 13:43.46 | pi_ | and need a browser. |
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| 13:44.06 | FieldySnuts | heh, http://moon.google.com/ , zoom all the way in |
| 13:44.09 | l33tch | um, anyone know which key on a us kb corresponds to tilde on a uk (sorry, forgot to add that? |
| 13:44.13 | BR_ | FieldySnuts; old ;P |
| 13:44.20 | jm_ | pingouin: snmpwalk not good enough? |
| 13:44.20 | Slippy^ | FieldySnuts: CHEESE |
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| 13:44.25 | jm_ | pi_ ^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 13:45.30 | laserite1 | hello ppl, i'm setting up a machine with sw raid |
| 13:45.38 | pi_ | well, i see these graphical browsers that show more information in the mib tables. |
| 13:45.38 | laserite1 | and i have problems at boot |
| 13:45.43 | pi_ | snmpwalk is good.. |
| 13:45.49 | laserite1 | i have /boot in md0 and the rest in md1 |
| 13:45.55 | useruser | l33tch: try the key between enter and backspace |
| 13:45.57 | laserite1 | but at boot time the kernel seems to lack /dev |
| 13:45.59 | useruser | l33tch: with shift |
| 13:46.00 | laserite1 | any hints? |
| 13:46.01 | pi_ | but when working with new devices, I dont know what i'm looking when using snmpwalk. |
| 13:46.06 | laserite1 | thanks in advance! |
| 13:46.53 | useruser | l33tch: or just type $HOME instead of ~ |
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| 13:47.19 | l33tch | thanx.. just installing gpm... rather use that to copy |
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| 13:48.06 | FieldySnuts | !lart evolution for not being able to copy any text between two new email windows |
| 13:48.10 | arnd | hello, is it possible that one can't use grsecurity2 with a 2.6 kernel in sarge while using the kernel-sources package? i'm running sarge and kernel-source-2.6.7 with the kernel-patch-grsecurity2 2.1.5-1 and wanted to update it to 2.6.8 (current kernel-source package in sarge, afaik) but the kernel-patch-grsecurity2 package doesn't contain a patch for 2.6.8. so do i have to use a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and look out for security patches m |
| 13:48.11 | arnd | anually in order to get grsecurity running? |
| 13:48.28 | FieldySnuts | nope. you end up patching (and maintaining it) yourself |
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| 13:49.18 | arnd | what do mean by it? the kernel-sources package or the vanilla kernel from kernel.org? |
| 13:50.05 | Ford-Prefect | am I wrong or is there a particular reason why I can't find make-kpkg either as a command or something installable |
| 13:50.18 | jm_ | Ford-Prefect: because it's not installed? |
| 13:50.25 | jm_ | things can be that simple |
| 13:50.34 | jm_ | Ford-Prefect: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:50.39 | l33tch | ok "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 8192 2005-07-20 13:08 l33tch" |
| 13:50.53 | jm_ | that's wrong |
| 13:51.23 | l33tch | jm_: me? |
| 13:51.26 | jm_ | l33tch: yes |
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| 13:51.36 | useruser | l33tch: su -c 'chown -R l33tch:l33tch /home/l33tch' |
| 13:51.49 | l33tch | ok |
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| 13:53.07 | l33tch | useruser:for 3 files it says operation not permitted |
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| 13:53.59 | useruser | l33tch: probably not a problem. ls -l $HOME again |
| 13:54.09 | useruser | l33tch: i mean ls -ld $HOME |
| 13:54.33 | useruser | l33tch: should say l33tch l33tch where it used to say root root |
| 13:55.01 | l33tch | no, still root root |
| 13:55.10 | useruser | l33tch: hm |
| 13:55.23 | useruser | l33tch: try this: su -c 'chown l33tch:l33tch /home/l33tch' |
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| 13:56.09 | pete | Anyone use vncserver? |
| 13:56.16 | psyc | anyone has exp. in kernel 2.6 ? |
| 13:56.27 | l33tch | useruser:same... maybe it's cos gdm is running... how can i close it without it restarting (if it might help) |
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| 13:57.23 | enjoyit | i 'm now use kernel-2.6.12.3,pretty good |
| 13:57.26 | useruser | l33tch: what do you mean same? do you get an error? |
| 13:57.56 | psyc | sorry the question |
| 13:58.08 | psyc | anyone has exp. with openswan in kernel 2.6 ? |
| 13:58.10 | psyc | hehe |
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| 13:58.23 | fhffhqvb | !do psyc |
| 13:58.29 | l33tch | useruser:well, this time it says operation not permitted for 1 file and the last command still says root root |
| 13:58.35 | Ford-Prefect | where did dpkg go? |
| 13:58.38 | useruser | l33tch: ok. ls -ld /home |
| 13:58.46 | fhffhqvb | /dev/null |
| 13:59.21 | l33tch | useruser:still root root |
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| 13:59.37 | useruser | l33tch: ls -ld /home <-- what's the output of this command? |
| 14:00.03 | psyc | i make my tunnel up, but i dont know to route packets with it |
| 14:00.14 | psyc | the other side doesnt get any packets |
| 14:00.25 | psyc | i really dunno whats wrong |
| 14:00.46 | l33tch | useruser:"drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 8192 1970-01-01 02:00 /home" |
| 14:01.12 | psyc | setkey -D and setkey -D -P |
| 14:01.18 | useruser | l33tch: well i don't understand then :) |
| 14:01.21 | psyc | show everything okay |
| 14:01.28 | psyc | and ipsec whack --status |
| 14:01.40 | tralala | l33tch: my home : drwxrwsr-x 8 root staff 4096 2005-06-01 21:19 /home |
| 14:01.56 | psyc | show that my tunnel connectiong is established |
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| 14:02.21 | psyc | fhffhqvb, know something about it ? |
| 14:02.23 | l33tch | hehe, ok. tralala:should i run that? |
| 14:02.46 | weissi | is there somewhere a debian hurd channel? |
| 14:03.10 | jethro | !hurd |
| 14:03.10 | badgers | rumour has it, hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or http://www.hurd-bunny.org |
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| 14:04.44 | snail | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:04.50 | useruser | l33tch: by the way, you were prompted for a password before when you ran those commands, right? |
| 14:05.21 | l33tch | yes.. used root pass |
| 14:05.33 | tralala | l33tch: no, if you want to have a "normal" home you should run: chown root.staff /home && chmod g+ws /home |
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| 14:06.53 | l33tch | tralala:keeps saying not permitted |
| 14:07.16 | tralala | hey, jethro |
| 14:07.37 | tralala | l33tch: are you root? is /home a ro mount? |
| 14:08.38 | l33tch | on as each but would assume it is.. why? |
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| 14:09.35 | hramrach | drac: It works, Thanks |
| 14:09.48 | drac | hramrach: Glad to hear that. |
| 14:09.57 | hramrach | Now I will have to choose a theme .. |
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| 14:10.31 | ma3x | how to start a command in 5 secs? |
| 14:10.43 | ma3x | for eg. to check the uptime in 5 secs |
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| 14:11.02 | tralala | l33tch: uh? |
| 14:11.07 | petemc | sleep 5 && uptime |
| 14:11.09 | pureone | sleep 5s && uptime |
| 14:11.09 | l33tch | could it be that its a fat32 partition? dunno why i only remembered it is now... |
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| 14:12.09 | tralala | l33tch: you bet! |
| 14:12.51 | l33tch | hehe, dam... ok.. pretty sure i know what to do then... be right back if it doesn't work |
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| 14:14.07 | ma3x | how is possible to open xterm maximized? |
| 14:14.42 | hyde | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 14:14.45 | hyde | duck |
| 14:14.49 | greycat | ma3x: -geometry |
| 14:14.50 | petemc | ma3x: most terminal take a --geometry=foo setting |
| 14:14.55 | stew | ma3x: man xterm or man x and look at the RESOURCES section |
| 14:15.44 | snifferdog | in woody the latest samba is 2.2.3a-15. does the -15 represent *soley* security updates to 2.2.3a ? |
| 14:16.09 | greycat | ma3x: xterm -e sh -c 'while sleep 5; do uptime; done' |
| 14:16.28 | greycat | snifferdog: you should upgrade to sarge. |
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| 14:17.08 | Eulex | snifferdog, -15 represents debian revisions, iirc |
| 14:17.14 | l33tch | ok, how do i set the partition to be the mount poin t of /home? or will it still be since it still is the same partition number? |
| 14:17.17 | stew | snifferdog: it may represent other changes debian has made and bugfixes to 2.2.3a |
| 14:17.19 | snifferdog | greycat: I am using sarge, this question relates to a box that is currently on woody and has samba on hold. |
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| 14:17.50 | xoz_ | how can i ensure that my X session through xdmcp can't be monitored if my machine passes through a firewall? the firewall is the point of monitoring. |
| 14:17.52 | snifferdog | stew: but when a release is in stable (like woody was) the only updates that are made are... security fixes no? or is it bugs/security fixes ? |
| 14:17.53 | greycat | snifferdog: /usr/share/doc/samba/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 14:17.58 | ma3x | greycat |
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| 14:18.07 | ma3x | i want to open xterm in maximized window |
| 14:18.09 | ma3x | that's the only thing |
| 14:18.14 | greycat | so add the -geometry |
| 14:18.16 | ma3x | i tried with the geometry option |
| 14:18.17 | ma3x | but thereis no default |
| 14:18.23 | marivaldo | hello |
| 14:18.24 | ma3x | so i don't know what follows after --geometry |
| 14:18.29 | greycat | READ THE FUCKING MAN PAGE. |
| 14:18.38 | ma3x | it doesn't say |
| 14:18.38 | stew | snifferdog: security updates only after a release |
| 14:18.41 | Eulex | snifferdog, there are also changes done to the package before stable is released |
| 14:19.01 | snifferdog | greycat: thanks for pointing me to that document. much appreciated. |
| 14:19.11 | ma3x | geometry (class Geometry) |
| 14:19.11 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.14 | greycat | and it's NOT --geometry. It's -geometry. |
| 14:19.26 | greycat | And it says "see X(7x)" |
| 14:19.27 | ma3x | but in what is specified, in inches orwhat? |
| 14:19.29 | greycat | so you type "man 7x X" |
| 14:19.48 | snifferdog | stew: sure.. when woody was in testing before it was frozen bugs/security updates may have been made but whilst in stable only security updates were made right ? |
| 14:19.57 | stew | snifferdog: correct |
| 14:20.09 | petemc | greycat: some terminals use --geometry |
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| 14:20.27 | greycat | some of them use gnome libs, too. but not xterm. |
| 14:20.40 | snifferdog | stew: its just i have samba on hold at 2.2.3a-14.1 and I'm wondering if the upgrade to 2.2.3a-15 (that i plan to make) is *soley* security orientated. The upgrade to sarge will happen at another time in the very near future. |
| 14:20.44 | snifferdog | stew: cool |
| 14:20.50 | mvst | hi guys |
| 14:21.16 | stew | snifferdog: http://changelogs.debian.net/samba should tell you what changes from -14 -15 (i think) |
| 14:21.18 | snifferdog | stew: no need to answer my question, you already have ;) |
| 14:21.32 | snifferdog | stew: greycat pointed out /usr/share/doc/samba/changelog.Debian.gz which contains the changelog |
| 14:21.43 | snifferdog | stew: ... but thanks :) |
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| 14:22.52 | mvst | i got al little question |
| 14:23.04 | l33tch | ok, how can i (or can i) run the install again that ran when the whole system was installed? |
| 14:23.13 | greycat | why would you want to? |
| 14:23.23 | mvst | how do i get kde3 to install on unstable ? |
| 14:23.30 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 14:23.30 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 14:24.17 | covux | mvst: apt-get install kde |
| 14:24.32 | mvst | ghehe lol |
| 14:24.33 | mvst | dont work |
| 14:24.40 | tralala | wtf is dpkg/ |
| 14:24.41 | tralala | ? |
| 14:24.44 | mvst | unmet dependancy's |
| 14:24.49 | greycat | !where are you |
| 14:24.50 | badgers | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 14:24.58 | mvst | treid servers all over europe |
| 14:25.04 | hyde | mvst, see topic |
| 14:25.04 | mvst | even american one.. |
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| 14:25.10 | stew | mvst: welcome to debian unstable |
| 14:25.18 | tralala | greycat: it got renamed? |
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| 14:25.34 | mvst | awwh |
| 14:25.35 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 14:25.36 | stew | tralala: dpkg is on the bench, the second stringer is subbing |
| 14:25.43 | greycat | !seen dpkg |
| 14:25.44 | badgers | dpkg <~dpkg@dpkg.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 59d 5h 2m 47s ago, saying: 'Yes, sussudio, you're still online.'. |
| 14:25.49 | greycat | hrm. |
| 14:25.51 | mvst | i got fluxbox runnig now |
| 14:25.52 | MegaByte | What is best: to apply a patch in the kernel as patch -p0 < foo or patch -p1 < foo? |
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| 14:25.56 | greycat | ~seen dpkg |
| 14:25.57 | apt | dpkg <~dpkg@dpkg.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 42d 11h 56m 18s ago, saying: 'Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it ... |
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| 14:26.04 | greycat | now that can't be right either. |
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| 14:26.42 | ma3x | ~seen ma3x |
| 14:26.42 | apt | i haven't seen 'ma3x', ma3x |
| 14:26.47 | stew | MegaByte: do you understand what the -p does? |
| 14:26.59 | l33tch | a whole lot i wanna change... how do i set /home to the before mentioned partition... should sort out my problem now |
| 14:27.02 | MegaByte | stew, no... |
| 14:27.28 | MegaByte | stew, currently I'm just trying to choose a kernel problem. It's been one day straight. |
| 14:27.41 | MegaByte | later I worry about what p does |
| 14:28.06 | MegaByte | sorry if I was rude |
| 14:28.08 | MegaByte | or bitter |
| 14:28.09 | stew | MegaByte: if a path refers to a file foo/bar/baz , -p0 would apply the patch to foo/bar/baz, -p1 to bar/baz and -p2 to baz |
| 14:28.10 | MegaByte | or whatever |
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| 14:28.39 | MegaByte | mmmmm |
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| 14:29.10 | stew | s/path/patch/ |
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| 14:29.54 | fhffhqvb | http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1417/dpkg2fn.jpg < google earth is cool |
| 14:30.24 | covux | l33tch: cp -ax youre home to new parition and alter youre fstab |
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| 14:31.29 | Ford-Prefect | what package contains make-kpkg? |
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| 14:31.44 | asg | !kp |
| 14:31.44 | badgers | rumour has it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 14:31.49 | augusto_hp | i need some help on dhcpd.conf ......... |
| 14:31.56 | elirips | Ford-Prefect: apt-file search make-kpkg |
| 14:32.14 | augusto_hp | may i ask here ? |
| 14:32.26 | fhffhqvb | augusto_hp: man dhcpd.conf |
| 14:32.42 | Ford-Prefect | apt-file command not found... *sigh* I guess I have to reinstall! *muttres* |
| 14:32.44 | augusto_hp | &nick: it didn't answared my question |
| 14:32.47 | augusto_hp | ;D |
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| 14:32.58 | augusto_hp | fhffhqvb it didn't answared my question |
| 14:33.09 | elirips | Ford-Prefect: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search make-kpkg |
| 14:33.45 | fhffhqvb | augusto_hp: sux2bu then |
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| 14:34.26 | Ungy | ok stupid question but I heard I could use key pairs to validate my logins to other machiens withotu needing passwords one I install the associated pair is this true and if so is there a tutorial somehwere? |
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| 14:34.57 | marco_ | hello, anybody speak spanish |
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| 14:35.06 | augusto_hp | i need to server 2 subnets .... they are in conected by linux. How do i put in dhcpd.conf that i want to give 192.168.0.0 IPs on eth0, and 172.16.0.0 on eth1 ??? |
| 14:35.11 | Ungy | marco_, #debian_es |
| 14:35.18 | Guerin | Ungy: google ssh public key authentication |
| 14:35.21 | marco_ | thnak you |
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| 14:35.58 | Ungy | ahh thanks I was doing ssh key pair validation and it wasn;t coming up with good info |
| 14:36.26 | jeffro | Ark: The utility zip is not in your PATH. how to fix this problem |
| 14:37.22 | elirips | jeffro: apt-get install zip unzip maybe? |
| 14:37.33 | jeffro | il try |
| 14:38.27 | augusto_hp | i need to server 2 subnets .... they are in conected by linux. How do i put in dhcpd.conf that i want to give 192.168.0.0 IPs on eth0, and 172.16.0.0 on eth1 ??? |
| 14:38.41 | jeffro | That worked |
| 14:38.51 | jeffro | thanks very mcuh elirip ;) |
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| 14:39.25 | bruno_ | I have got and ISO image of CD produced by isolinux. Well at |
| 14:39.25 | bruno_ | least which seems to have been produced by isolinux when I have |
| 14:39.25 | bruno_ | a look at the contents (it is an IBM CD containing stuff for |
| 14:39.25 | bruno_ | configuring a server). |
| 14:39.25 | bruno_ | I want to be able to use it on a server without CD but |
| 14:39.26 | bruno_ | with USB support. |
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| 14:39.49 | LoRez | bruno_: don't do that. |
| 14:39.50 | Ford-Prefect | for information, you can find the make-kpkg in the kernel-package package |
| 14:40.22 | jeffro | !tell bruno about enter |
| 14:40.24 | jeffro | !enter |
| 14:40.25 | bruno_ | LoRez, sorry but what do I have done badly ? |
| 14:40.25 | badgers | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 14:41.16 | LoRez | bruno_: pasted a bunch of crap that could've easily been on one line |
| 14:41.24 | bruno_ | badgers, OK sorry for that stupid cut and paste |
| 14:41.25 | badgers | bruno_: i don't know |
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| 14:42.03 | bruno_ | LoRez, OK I am not used to IRC habits. Sorry once again... |
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| 14:42.23 | RomanK | Hi all! I've got a problem: i created a complete tarball of my root-partition. Now i want to re-extract it. But all symlinks are empty files after extracting them... |
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| 14:42.40 | RomanK | if i use "tar -tv", they're still shown as symlinks |
| 14:42.42 | RomanK | any idea? |
| 14:42.47 | bruno_ | I have got and ISO image of CD produced by isolinux. I want to be able to use it on a server without CD but with USB support. What is the easiest way to convert this bootable CD to a bootable USB key ? |
| 14:42.50 | eJumbo | can anyone tell me from where to get the tarballs of simple x11 apps like calculator and calender |
| 14:43.00 | RomanK | and yes... i'm extracting them onto an ext3-partition |
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| 14:43.34 | RomanK | eJumbo: i guess they're part oft XFree86/X.Org |
| 14:45.15 | denismpa | Please, I have a Debian Installed on my machine but I'm having some problens configuring LTSP In ltsp channel the people told me the problem can be my kernel(2.6.7) and told me to down-grade it to 2.4 Someone Can tell me how to i do it? |
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| 14:46.03 | RomanK | denismpa: before asking for help, you should really read the documentation about your distributions package system |
| 14:46.16 | denismpa | OK. |
| 14:46.26 | denismpa | RomanK: I'll |
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| 14:47.30 | augusto_hp | i need to server 2 subnets .... they are in conected by linux. How do i put in dhcpd.conf that i want to give 192.168.0.0 IPs on eth0, and 172.16.0.0 on eth1 ??? |
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| 14:47.38 | denismpa | RomanK: Where Can I look for this documentation that i need? |
| 14:47.49 | snifferdog | denismpa: apt-cache search ^kernel-image-2.4 will show you 2.4 kernels that you can "apt-get install" |
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| 14:47.57 | RomanK | denismpa: http://www.debian.org |
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| 14:48.11 | mvst | hi again |
| 14:48.18 | hcy | tell me please how to have root mount a disk with drwxrwx--- permissions |
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| 14:48.39 | e_mpika | hey |
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| 14:48.43 | denismpa | ajudou muito RomanK |
| 14:48.43 | daffy-pkf | where is dpkg? |
| 14:48.53 | RomanK | ? |
| 14:48.55 | hcy | i figured out how to set the owner and group using uid= and gid= , but it always mounts as a+rwx |
| 14:49.21 | denismpa | RomanK: Thanx. Helped me So much! |
| 14:49.32 | mvst | hey anyone know how to fix an EBDA is too big boot problem? |
| 14:49.38 | e_mpika | anyone know what this error means when im dpkg-buildpackag'ing : make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 |
| 14:49.47 | hcy | is it with umask= ? |
| 14:49.53 | snifferdog | denismpa: if you're running stable there's a metapackage for the 2.4/6 releases of the kernel to keep up-to-date with security updates |
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| 14:50.35 | snifferdog | denismpa: something like 2.4-k6 would , for example, provide the latest 2.4 compiled for k6 arch. |
| 14:51.06 | mvst | i cant boot my new kernel |
| 14:51.09 | greycat | badgers, where's dpkg is <reply> Dpkg? Don't know who you're talking about. Haven't seen him. Didn't kidnap him or eat him. *burp* Nope, sorry, no idea. |
| 14:51.10 | badgers | okay, greycat |
| 14:51.12 | denismpa | snifferdog: I need use the kernel 2.4 to test some functionales of one service that isn't working on 2.6... |
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| 14:52.41 | snifferdog | denismpa: ok well install it then. apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386 |
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| 14:54.21 | snifferdog | one thing i *vaguely* seem to remember is that debian no longer supports *true* i386 is that right ? |
| 14:54.36 | snifferdog | not i386 emulation but true i386 |
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| 14:54.53 | Downix | hey, has anyone made a driver for the DVA-4000 video-overlay card? |
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| 14:55.09 | colde89 | wich pakage is to install for iwconfig? |
| 14:55.13 | Wanderer | snifferdog: I'm pretty sure pure x386 is just fine |
| 14:55.23 | rebel_ | wireless-tools iirc |
| 14:55.32 | denismpa | snifferdog: Very thanks! I'll do it! |
| 14:55.33 | Wanderer | colde89: check debian.org, they've got a great package tool |
| 14:55.37 | setog3 | snifferdog, are you sure about that ? .. I have read a news but it's speak about 286 |
| 14:55.39 | rebel_ | ii wireless-tools 27-3 Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extens |
| 14:55.44 | snifferdog | Wanderer: sure I read it in the debian sarge release notes. |
| 14:55.52 | rebel_ | yeah packages.debian.org is really d0pe |
| 14:55.58 | rebel_ | you should totally check it out |
| 14:55.59 | snifferdog | setog3, Wanderer i'll see if i can find wherre i read it |
| 14:55.59 | setog3 | date ? |
| 14:56.00 | Wanderer | sniffer: I'll check that, I could have swore it still does |
| 14:56.03 | colde89 | Wanderer: ok |
| 14:56.24 | setog3 | I read the debian weekly news, and I remember something like that .. but not sure |
| 14:56.33 | Wanderer | cold: rebel hit it right on. http://packages.debian.org |
| 14:56.53 | Wanderer | scroll down about 1/2 or so, you can serch for packages containing files |
| 14:57.17 | takatumi | why not just use apt-cache or aptitude? |
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| 14:57.25 | rebel_ | because it sucks |
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| 14:57.37 | rebel_ | packages.debian.org has a documented suck-rate of 0% |
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| 14:57.52 | rebel_ | and it's always up to date |
| 14:57.56 | Wanderer | takatumi: haven't tried aptitude but "apt-cache search ifconfig" returns 6 answers. |
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| 14:58.09 | Wanderer | packages.debian.org will give you exactly which package has the filename you're looking for |
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| 14:59.38 | takatumi | Wanderer: what exactly are you searching for? |
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| 14:59.58 | bobw | how can i connect these two linux boxes together using null modem connection...i have the cable plugged into both machines via the serial interface? |
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| 15:00.20 | rebel_ | set up a tty on one |
| 15:00.22 | TNKS | hi all. I was wondering. If I make some changes with "menuconfig", is it necessary to do a "make-kpkg clean" before the "make-kpkg kernel_image"? |
| 15:00.22 | bob2 | by setting up SLIP |
| 15:00.23 | nvz | bobw: do you have a null modem somewhere between as well? |
| 15:00.26 | rebel_ | then use minicom or something |
| 15:00.30 | bob2 | there's a howto on ldp |
| 15:00.31 | Maliuta | bobw: well you put the cable between the machines ... |
| 15:00.33 | rebel_ | the only true way :) |
| 15:00.34 | TNKS | Or can I save on compilation time without the clean? |
| 15:00.36 | snifferdog | Wanderer: ok i found it |
| 15:00.49 | snifferdog | "True "80386" CPUs are _no longer supported_ by sarge. This does not affect any CPUs that are compatible with "80486" CPUs or above." |
| 15:00.56 | Maliuta | bobw: use ppp or just spawn a tty and use mincom or the like |
| 15:01.18 | bobw | i am using hyperterminal on the laptop |
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| 15:01.41 | snifferdog | i dont know quite how that relates to kernel-2.x-386 ? |
| 15:01.47 | snifferdog | anyone know ? |
| 15:01.50 | bobw | bob2, got a url? |
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| 15:05.25 | Ford-Prefect | someone slap me |
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| 15:05.43 | bobw | Maliuta, i have no idea what im doing here, cant find mincom anywhere |
| 15:05.48 | takatumi | snifferdog: this thread may have the answers, http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2004/10/msg00027.html |
| 15:06.08 | Ford-Prefect | I had used testing on some sources and unstable on some! I am such a twat! |
| 15:06.27 | bobw | Maliuta, i have the cable in on both machines, one debian the other (client) is my windows machine (HyperTerminal) |
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| 15:06.52 | Ford-Prefect | that my children, is asking for troubble :D |
| 15:06.59 | goron | Uh, when did dpkg go on strike? |
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| 15:07.48 | snifferdog | takatumi: so why does kernel-image-2.4-386 exist on sarge then ? |
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| 15:08.27 | takatumi | snifferdog: dunno, haven't touched 2.4 with a pole since a year now. :P |
| 15:08.43 | snifferdog | takatumi: ok.. kernel-image-2.6-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on 386. |
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| 15:08.53 | fhffhqvb | !fix snifferdog |
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| 15:09.22 | snifferdog | takatumi: seems strange to drop 80386 but then still have kernels compiled for 386 arch |
| 15:09.24 | Ford-Prefect | snifferdog: for some reason I guess they still concider 2.6 as very unstable :D. Personally I am very close to installing a kerlen from another source |
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| 15:09.55 | takatumi | !kernal |
| 15:09.55 | badgers | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 15:10.01 | bobw | anyone have a good doc on connecting my hyperterminal to my linux machine for command line? |
| 15:10.31 | RichiH | what's up with dpkg? |
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| 15:10.54 | hyde | badgers, where's dpkg? |
| 15:10.55 | badgers | Dpkg? Don't know who you're talking about. Haven't seen him. Didn't kidnap him or eat him. *burp* Nope, sorry, no idea. |
| 15:11.13 | PerfDave | bobw: Hmm, I *had* one at my last job... |
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| 15:12.35 | superlinux | hey all |
| 15:13.39 | superlinux | i have a genius mouse pen tablet on USB, who knows how to configure it on linux? this is it's USB-ID5543 UC-Logic Technology Corp. |
| 15:13.43 | superlinux | 0002 SuperPen WP3325U Tablet |
| 15:13.43 | superlinux | 0004 Genius MousePen 5x4 Tablet |
| 15:15.28 | useruser | bobw: hyperterminal? is that a windows thing? |
| 15:16.11 | bobw | useruser, yes |
| 15:16.19 | useruser | bobw: i'd recommend putty instead |
| 15:16.32 | bobw | useruser, i am trying to connect via serial cable |
| 15:16.37 | bobw | putty cant do serial |
| 15:16.46 | takatumi | snifferdog: that thread explains it, read it through. |
| 15:17.16 | useruser | bobw: ah, i see |
| 15:17.18 | useruser | bobw: no idea then |
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| 15:19.49 | Liuliu | Hi all.. I know that isn't a debian question, it's unix related, but I want to call a help from debian gurus. |
| 15:19.52 | Liuliu | I have a date/time stored as unix file format YYYYmmddHHMMSS, and I want to retrieve it counting less 7 days, how can I do that? date can do this for me? I have readed man pages, but I can only format (is easy) or change the time based in actual date/time (using date -d -7days), but I want to calculate 7 days based on a specified time. Ideas? |
| 15:19.53 | goron | !dpkg |
| 15:19.53 | badgers | somebody said dpkg was the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 15:20.11 | goron | !badgers |
| 15:20.12 | badgers | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !! |
| 15:20.26 | useruser | bobw: hwo about this? http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Serial/serial-console.html |
| 15:20.36 | goron | Is dpkg just renamed? |
| 15:20.46 | nvz | goron: no |
| 15:20.55 | nvz | goron: dpkg is absent, badgers is filling in |
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| 15:21.21 | Orfeous | got problems with unrar.. |
| 15:21.25 | goron | nvz: oh, ok. They work part-time these days. |
| 15:21.33 | goron | unrar x somefile done. |
| 15:21.45 | Orfeous | thanks |
| 15:21.51 | goron | !unrar |
| 15:21.52 | badgers | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 15:21.52 | nvz | goron: they run on old pcs.. that occationaly need maintained |
| 15:22.54 | fhffhqvb | in Piggy's case, the harddisk needed to be replaced because it had been running for 7 years 24/7 |
| 15:22.56 | goron | nvz: Are they official bots? |
| 15:23.10 | nvz | goron: they are as official as they get |
| 15:23.20 | nvz | aww, poor piggy |
| 15:23.28 | fhffhqvb | it was giving dma timeouts |
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| 15:24.24 | GregM | where does debian store the mac address of a nic in /proc/... ??? |
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| 15:25.07 | nvz | you could strace ifconfig if you think its stored in /proc somewhere it would prbably show you |
| 15:25.08 | cire | is there a installer which is able to install with only 16 MB ram? (and where can I get it) |
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| 15:26.16 | nvz | oh well, I gotta get my ass up and go to work. I was laid out all day yesturday.. |
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| 15:26.24 | positrix | "read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". lmao |
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| 15:27.15 | stew | nvz: we saw that coming :) |
| 15:27.31 | stew | 02:24 < nvz> oh I knos I zm drunk.. heh |
| 15:27.35 | nvz | stew: what me leaving for work? or being laid out all day yesturday? |
| 15:27.42 | stew | laid out |
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| 15:27.56 | nvz | stew: yeah I gave you fair warning |
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| 15:28.09 | Liuliu | cire: if you really need, debootstrap could help. |
| 15:28.34 | FieldySnuts | !lart man pages using caps in names when it's not needed (ImageMagick) |
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| 15:28.46 | nvz | I'm having a reeal hard time waking up after sleeping so long |
| 15:28.55 | Liuliu | cire: its very easy to use, having a little debian repository with base packages, just run debootstrap release dest_dir |
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| 15:29.31 | D13GU__ | hi all! |
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| 15:29.55 | D13GU__ | how to install a e-mail server on debian sarge? |
| 15:30.03 | cire | okay, I'll try. Thank you |
| 15:30.16 | Liuliu | cire: you just have to format, mount, write boot loader, and some configs (as fstab, lilo/grub) alone. |
| 15:30.26 | nvz | that should be a bug. the name in the manpage should be exactly as the package name or binary would be typed on the command line. like giFTcurs (1) is fine |
| 15:30.27 | cire | I found a good howto |
| 15:30.32 | Liuliu | D13GU__: in instalation it install exim4 to you |
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| 15:30.49 | bosmeeuw | hi friends |
| 15:31.06 | bosmeeuw | question, if you apt-get source, is it possible to keep that package updated too with apt-get upgrade ? |
| 15:31.11 | D13GU__ | Liuliu is possible set quote for users? |
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| 15:31.43 | Liuliu | D13GU__: yes, its possible, search by linux quota. Try to user version 2 quotas. |
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| 15:32.06 | D13GU__ | and autentication? |
| 15:32.26 | Liuliu | D13GU__: everything is possible. |
| 15:32.33 | positrix | do i actually have to get the kernal source, and compile it for acpi or can a just d/l an image? |
| 15:32.53 | Liuliu | D13GU__: not by debconf ;-) |
| 15:32.58 | D13GU__ | Liuliu only the exim instaled? |
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| 15:33.38 | Liuliu | D13GU__: if you doesn't like exim, you could use postfix or qmail or courier-mta (not sendmail of course) |
| 15:34.02 | Liuliu | D13GU__: you should need some tools to do that. But you can. Take a look in howtos in internet. |
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| 15:34.25 | Maliuta | liuliu: there is nothing wrong with sendmail |
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| 15:34.48 | Liuliu | Maliuta: maybe.. Sendmail its full of maybes ;-) |
| 15:34.54 | mescon`yi | to add a default gateway on a specific NIC, I'd just do ifconfig eth1 add gw <some ip>, right? |
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| 15:35.04 | Liuliu | Maliuta: and their configuration it's a hell |
| 15:35.08 | Liuliu | Maliuta: not flaming ;-) |
| 15:35.13 | Maliuta | liuliu: I have never had any issues with sentmail, I find the config easy |
| 15:35.35 | Maliuta | liuliu: it does everything you need an MTA to do |
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| 15:36.24 | Liuliu | Maliuta: :-)] |
| 15:36.43 | Liuliu | Maliuta: are you using sendmail for a long time? |
| 15:36.44 | bobw | useruser, im glad i scrolled up to your link...this looks really good i am reading now |
| 15:36.48 | jme | all these weird looking nicks... |
| 15:37.17 | jme | <end random comment of the day> |
| 15:37.19 | highvoltage | jme: where? |
| 15:37.27 | Liuliu | Maliuta: I want to know why all linux distributions didn't use sendmail as you base mta? |
| 15:37.30 | jme | highvoltage: liuliu, maliuta... :\ |
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| 15:37.47 | Liuliu | jme: hullo! ;-) |
| 15:37.47 | highvoltage | oh. they look like they could be family. |
| 15:37.53 | highvoltage | perhaps they're pokemon. |
| 15:37.58 | jme | highvoltage: yeah i noticed the similarity |
| 15:38.00 | jme | heh |
| 15:38.09 | Maliuta | jme: my nick has historical origons |
| 15:38.22 | cire | Does it make sense to set a router's client MTU to 1492? (or should it be left to 1500?) |
| 15:38.23 | highvoltage | Liuliu, Maliuta: perhaps you are looking for the debian-pokemon chanel? |
| 15:38.31 | highvoltage | or the debian-dragonz channel? |
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| 15:39.41 | Lin | highvoltage: debian-pokemon :-/ |
| 15:39.50 | greycat | cire: depends. 1492 is normally used for things that connect through PPPoE because of the overhead. |
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| 15:41.42 | malex | Lo. What compiler commands does make-kpkg use for kernel building? I'm asking because I'd like to know what alternatives for gcc I need to set up to force make-kpkg use gcc-3.4.4 instead of gcc-4.0.1. Thanks. |
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| 15:43.17 | mescon`yi | I've added the following: http://sobek.yi.se/interfaces.txt to a machine of mine.. everything works fine except for the fact that the gateway is only set on ONE of the NIC's, so eth1 uses the gateway, but eth0 doesnt.... then if I down eth1, eth0 starts using the gateway.... any suggestions? |
| 15:43.21 | greycat | I'm tired of that question already. Someone add it to the FAQ. |
| 15:43.58 | greycat | mescon`yi: the routing table is system-wide. |
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| 15:44.07 | greycat | your default gateway is just that -- the *default*. |
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| 15:44.34 | nonamious | hi, does anybody know how to get btdownloadheadless running from cron? :) |
| 15:44.46 | greycat | use screen. |
| 15:45.09 | jtza8 | How do I see what files are in a package using the apt system? |
| 15:45.26 | greycat | rtorrent, bittornado or bittorrent (btlaunchmanycurses) inside screen > anything from cron. |
| 15:45.28 | mescon`yi | greycat: any thoughts of what might be the problem? |
| 15:45.45 | greycat | mescon`yi: your question makes no sense. |
| 15:46.07 | greycat | dump "netstat -rn" and "ifconfig -a" to a web site. |
| 15:46.17 | nonamious | i've tried - 27 18 * * * /usr/bin/screen -d -m /usr/bin/btdownloadheadless --max_upload_rate 15 x.torrent - doesn't work |
| 15:47.04 | greycat | you want your torrent client to shut down during the day hours and resume at night? |
| 15:47.21 | mescon`yi | greycat: thanks, hold on... |
| 15:47.24 | greycat | if so, sorry, I've never tried that. maybe #bittorrent might know. |
| 15:48.24 | mescon`yi | greycat: I'll pm you the url |
| 15:48.48 | greycat | !msg |
| 15:48.48 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 15:48.58 | greycat | oh, dpkg is back. |
| 15:49.54 | RichiH | !yay |
| 15:49.54 | badgers | yay! |
| 15:49.54 | dpkg | yay! |
| 15:50.16 | RichiH | badgers: silence |
| 15:50.17 | badgers | RichiH: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:50.17 | greycat | badgers: aren't you supposed to disappear now? |
| 15:50.18 | badgers | greycat: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:50.29 | RichiH | greycat: i think it just shuts up? |
| 15:50.42 | greycat | as you can see, it didn't... |
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| 15:50.49 | RichiH | sussudio is not here to enlighten us, though |
| 15:50.53 | RichiH | greycat: lies! |
| 15:50.58 | greycat | fhffhqvb: make the bot be silent. |
| 15:50.59 | RichiH | greycat: you are just Seeing Things |
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| 15:51.46 | RichiH | ah, he is on rot13 hiding |
| 15:52.54 | greycat | mescon`yi: I don't recall volunteering to be your personal private servant. Give your information and your questions to the channel. |
| 15:53.29 | fhffhqvb | mreh? |
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| 15:53.42 | mescon`yi | sorry greycat.. sheesh.... I did, you told me to post it, I did, sent you the URL in private so that I wouldn't bother the rest of the world with it. |
| 15:54.20 | fhffhqvb | well excuse me for not being here the fucking minute dpkg decides to return. |
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| 15:55.11 | _kgb | anyone know why xmms won't open an *.mp3 when clicking on the file in konqueror even after setting the file associations? |
| 15:55.22 | _kgb | i'm on a fresh sarge install |
| 15:57.45 | smhar | every time I apt-update ; apt-get upgrade the fonts on my desktop and all the applications change |
| 15:58.01 | smhar | firefox xchat and everything else |
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| 16:00.21 | TiTaN_pi8 | hello, can anybody help me with this problem: i want to compile a kernel on a fast debian machine for a slow debian machine (to save time). the slow is an intel pentium 120mhz and the fast is an amd athlon 1200mhz. what do i have to type for "--arch=" on make-kpkg? because it complains about not knowing where the kernel image should go. |
| 16:00.43 | Skaja | should i download x86 i'm using an amd cpu |
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| 16:00.57 | PerfDave | Skaja: Which AMD CPU? |
| 16:01.04 | Skaja | althlon |
| 16:01.12 | PerfDave | Skaja: Yes |
| 16:01.40 | S4nD3r_ | Is there any way to import kmails emails to evolution ??? |
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| 16:02.13 | Skaja | my cpu is a 2.07 gigahertz AMD Athlon XP |
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| 16:03.04 | PerfDave | Skaja: So use the i386 Debian image. |
| 16:04.23 | snifferdog | S4nD3r_: cant you save them as mbox format ? |
| 16:05.00 | Skaja | does debian.org have screen shots of the desk top |
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| 16:05.13 | S4nD3r_ | I will try, I forget to do that |
| 16:05.22 | snifferdog | PerfDave: although debian sarge doesn't support 80386 anymore |
| 16:05.44 | moya_ | any latex'er here know how to set the text size inside a verbatim environment / |
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| 16:06.27 | Ungy | is there free software I can use to create an ISO image froma disk? |
| 16:06.42 | PerfDave | snifferdog: It's still an i386 architecture |
| 16:06.47 | timo | Ungy, mkisofs |
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| 16:07.00 | PerfDave | Ungy: mkisofs on the command line, k3b on in a GUI |
| 16:07.02 | snifferdog | Ungy: mkisofs |
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| 16:07.23 | balony- | does debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1 have megaraid2 support? |
| 16:07.26 | Skaja | what guis does debain use |
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| 16:07.38 | Ungy | sweet I need to send someoen a copy of win2k so they can test their client |
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| 16:08.12 | gerd | hi |
| 16:08.23 | gerd | boah xchat standard thema is ja grausem... |
| 16:08.24 | PerfDave | Ungy: If you want the CD to be bootable, don't use mkisofs |
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| 16:08.29 | timo | Skaja, anything you fancy to install |
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| 16:08.37 | PerfDave | Skaja: It uses whatever GUI you install. And it's "Debian", not "debain" |
| 16:08.38 | Ungy | PerfDave, what shoudl I use then |
| 16:08.53 | Skaja | i like kde |
| 16:08.55 | gerd | hi, i have problems patching 2.6.11 with bootsplash, wich patch should i use? |
| 16:08.57 | PerfDave | Ungy: You'll need to duplicate an existing CD. Though that may not work. |
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| 16:09.03 | PerfDave | Skaja: You can use KDE with Debian. |
| 16:09.13 | Skaja | ok good |
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| 16:09.26 | _linuxAS_ | hi |
| 16:09.30 | Ungy | PerfDave, I have the cd I need to create and send an image |
| 16:09.40 | Ungy | that can be burned |
| 16:09.45 | Skaja | there are 7 cds man i hate dial up |
| 16:10.09 | greycat | seven? |
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| 16:10.12 | Ungy | Skaja you need all 7 cd's? |
| 16:10.25 | greycat | *woody* had only seven CDs (per arch). |
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| 16:10.36 | PerfDave | Skaja: Uhm, if you have 7 CDs, you're trying to install 3.0, you want 3.1 |
| 16:10.43 | PerfDave | Skaja: Plus, you don't need all the CDs. |
| 16:10.54 | PerfDave | Skaja: Read the Debian 3.1 Installation Manual if you want to install Debian. |
| 16:10.55 | Oliver | you install debian without a high speed network connection, are you mad!? |
| 16:11.07 | greycat | lots of people run debian on dial-up |
| 16:11.13 | PerfDave | Ungy: You want to make an image *from* a CD, and send it to someone over the 'net? |
| 16:11.24 | Ungy | Oliver install on deman dis still better then downloading the whole cd set |
| 16:11.25 | Oliver | dial-up is bad, but CDs, are you insane!? |
| 16:11.33 | Ungy | PerfDave, your right |
| 16:11.59 | Skaja | could i do a network install? |
| 16:12.02 | PerfDave | Ungy: Right, you can do that with dd - "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=my.iso" |
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| 16:12.14 | PerfDave | Skaja: Yes, you can. Read the Debian 3.1 Installation Manual if you want to install Debian. |
| 16:12.56 | TiTaN_pi8 | anyone that can help me? i want to compile a kernel on a fast debian machine for a slow debian machine (to save time). the slow is an intel pentium 120mhz and the fast is an amd athlon 1200mhz. how do i do that? |
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| 16:13.29 | PerfDave | TiTaN_pi8: Use make-kpkg, set relevant options? Or run distcc on both hosts and tell make-kpkg to use that? |
| 16:13.31 | smhar | TiTaN_pi8, put the information of the slow machine in the config |
| 16:13.32 | BR_ | TiTaN_pi8: distcc would be better! :) |
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| 16:13.53 | smhar | BR_, good idea if they are networked |
| 16:13.58 | PerfDave | TiTaN_pi8: Why are you compiling instead of using a prepackaged kernel-image? |
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| 16:14.31 | gerd | anybody may help me with bootaplsh? :( |
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| 16:14.59 | jak | Hello, is there a log of #debian anywhere? |
| 16:15.31 | smhar | jak, that would be a huge file |
| 16:15.52 | masoft | what's the default username and password of mysql ? |
| 16:15.55 | dondelelcaro | jak: people have logs of it, yes. However, they're not always public. |
| 16:16.09 | idimmu | masoft root with no password i think |
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| 16:16.23 | Skaja | i just want to make sure this is right url to download the network instal http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:16.25 | jak | smhar, dondelelcaro thanks |
| 16:16.27 | idimmu | i have logs going back centuries :( |
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| 16:16.35 | gerd | masoft, you can just reset the mysql pass as root |
| 16:16.36 | BR_ | idimmu: ditto |
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| 16:17.10 | BR_ | idimmu: be nice if it wasn't 120Mb a month of logs tho ;( |
| 16:17.17 | idimmu | 427mb worth :( |
| 16:17.28 | PerfDave | Skaja: Read the Debian 3.1 Installation Manual if you want to install Debian. |
| 16:17.30 | idimmu | going back to 2003 |
| 16:17.33 | Lazakalo | Hello, can someone tell me the command for identifie with server ? |
| 16:17.46 | PerfDave | Lazakalo: /msg nickserv help |
| 16:17.50 | idimmu | jak if you like you can buy them from me for $$$s :D |
| 16:17.51 | Lazakalo | thank you |
| 16:17.57 | idimmu | or ill just rm them |
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| 16:18.31 | jak | idimmu, lol |
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| 16:18.35 | Vivaldi | hello |
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| 16:18.50 | Vivaldi | is preemption enabled by default in sarge with linux 2.6.8? |
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| 16:19.41 | _linuxAS_ | hi madrid |
| 16:19.47 | _linuxAS_ | byes madrid |
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| 16:20.52 | amaldo | hehe |
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| 16:21.03 | _linuxAS_ | hi madrid |
| 16:21.15 | _linuxAS_ | byes madrid |
| 16:21.17 | PerfDave | Vivaldi: My 2.6.8-2-386 has CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 16:21.19 | _linuxAS_ | jejeje |
| 16:21.24 | PerfDave | Vivaldi: So yes :) |
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| 16:22.36 | _linuxAS_ | hi madrid |
| 16:22.38 | _linuxAS_ | byes madrid |
| 16:22.59 | Ms-W0rld | :D |
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| 16:25.55 | Kven | Shouldn't $blah =~ s/\n+/\n/; remove empty lines? |
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| 16:26.07 | p30n | question: what do i need to read and write images of cd/dvd´s in bash ? |
| 16:26.34 | greycat | cdrecord |
| 16:27.04 | p30n | greycat: i can easily copy my dvd´s with that right ? |
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| 16:27.13 | p30n | just apt-get install cdrecord ? |
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| 16:28.01 | ledet | p30n: you should probably also read the documentation for cdrecord |
| 16:28.12 | p30n | sure, i will |
| 16:28.29 | p30n | i need to learn as much as i can about everything =) |
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| 16:28.53 | shawn__ | i got a werid one here |
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| 16:29.03 | shawn__ | ogle...will not play dvd's all of the sudden |
| 16:29.05 | shawn__ | WARNING[ogle_mpeg_vs]: wrong start_code picture_start_code: 00000112 |
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| 16:30.00 | shawn__ | now i did knotice it seems to error when it comes to a menu...so i tried the usual stuff...made sure all the items for menu nav were on there and what not |
| 16:30.05 | shawn__ | still no worky |
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| 16:30.41 | D13GU__ | hi! |
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| 16:31.04 | simonrvn | fucking php... |
| 16:31.13 | Sander_Alex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.00 | simonrvn | very carefully |
| 16:32.17 | jak | What does the 'c2' extension of some packages, such as libaspell15c2 mean? |
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| 16:32.21 | theb0y | hello, when I reboot my computer, i see: INIT: sending signal... INIT: ... how am I able to hide these messages from the kernel? coz syslogd is configured to put everything in (*.*) /dev/null |
| 16:32.34 | simonrvn | jak: see posts on debian-devel-announce |
| 16:32.35 | PerfDave | Kven: In what language? |
| 16:32.50 | Kven | PerfDave, perl |
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| 16:33.25 | jak | simonrvn, thanks, got it. |
| 16:33.40 | PerfDave | Kven: "perldoc perlretut" is your friend |
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| 16:35.03 | Vivaldi | could you tell me if the kernel 2.6.8 comes with preemption in debian? |
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| 16:35.12 | shawn__ | anyone know what this meens |
| 16:35.15 | greycat | you could read /boot/config-$(uname -r) and see. |
| 16:35.17 | shawn__ | WARNING[ogle_mpeg_vs]: wrong start_code picture_start_code: 00000112 |
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| 16:35.35 | Vivaldi | greycat, yes, but i don't have debian yet |
| 16:35.45 | S4nD3r_ | Hi, Id like to update Gnome 2.8.3 to 2.10, How to do ? |
| 16:35.57 | greycat | S4nD3r_: if you have to ask, you don't. |
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| 16:36.06 | greycat | unless sarge has it, in which case, you wouldn't have to ask. |
| 16:36.38 | S4nD3r_ | greycat, Don't be angry. |
| 16:36.42 | beaufils | any idea where to find the gtk-config binary in debian ? |
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| 16:36.53 | S4nD3r_ | At least be educated |
| 16:36.58 | greycat | beaufils: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:37.04 | greycat | !info gnome-panel sarge |
| 16:37.08 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 16:37.08 | greycat | there, now I am educated. |
| 16:37.12 | greycat | you don't. go away. |
| 16:37.24 | greycat | I wasn't angry before, but *now* I am. |
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| 16:38.13 | hundra | hi there! |
| 16:38.16 | FieldySnuts | irritate S4nD3r_ |
| 16:38.20 | FieldySnuts | feh. |
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| 16:38.28 | S4nD3r_ | Hummmmm |
| 16:38.30 | S4nD3r_ | Ok then |
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| 16:38.55 | S4nD3r_ | Which is the main of IRC ?!? |
| 16:38.57 | hundra | is the cramfs/initrd-patches available seperately? I want to use vanilla-kernels without the debian-patches (except for the cram/initrd stuff) |
| 16:39.35 | FieldySnuts | in bash I'd like to create a loop which does the following in a single directory: convert filename.eps -thumbnail 107x120 tn_filename.jpg , how would I pull that off? |
| 16:39.42 | PerfDave | hundra: You should be able to download Debian kernel-sources and specify which patches get applied |
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| 16:40.07 | p30n | question: whats the easiest way to share a dvd-rw drive over LAN to a windows client? i would want to mount it in windows so that i can burn with that device. |
| 16:40.10 | PerfDave | hundra: Debian kernel-source packages are upstream kernel sources along with the Debian patches |
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| 16:40.20 | hundra | PerfDave: i could, but i cant find which patch i should apply |
| 16:40.23 | p30n | i mean from a debian to the windows comp |
| 16:40.25 | basix | i installed ftpd-ssl. I can't find a .conf file for it. where / how do i configure it??? |
| 16:40.32 | hundra | PerfDave: the name of the patch that is ;) |
| 16:40.40 | PerfDave | basix: Look in /usr/share/doc/ftpd-ssl/ for documentation? |
| 16:41.00 | D13GU__ | how to test postfix ? |
| 16:41.09 | PerfDave | p30n: Uhm, the *easiest* way is probably to SSH into the Debian box and use cdrecord (or k3b and X forwarding) |
| 16:41.15 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 16:41.15 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
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| 16:41.38 | PerfDave | p30n: Or do you want to use Windows CD writing software on a remote CD-RW? 'cause I'm not sure if that's possible. |
| 16:41.41 | basix | PerfDave, how do i read those files? |
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| 16:42.27 | PerfDave | basix: Depends what they are. If they're .txt, or README or README.Debian, use less. If they end in .gz, use zless or gunzip them. If they end in .html use a web browser. |
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| 16:42.45 | p30n | PerfDave: kinda yea, cant i share the drive with i.e. samba and then mount it in windows as a device, that would theoretically mean i could use it as if it was attached to the windows box right? |
| 16:42.57 | basix | PerfDave, ok |
| 16:43.24 | D13GU__ | how to test postfix ? |
| 16:43.28 | PerfDave | p30n: You might be able to, but I've never heard of that working even between Windows machines. You might want to ask #samba if that's possible. |
| 16:43.34 | PerfDave | !tell D13GU__ -about repeat |
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| 16:43.42 | simonrvn | D13GU__: send mail to yourself |
| 16:43.42 | PerfDave | !tell D13GU__ -about smart questions |
| 16:43.45 | p30n | PerfDave: ok, thx |
| 16:43.47 | simonrvn | ... |
| 16:43.57 | ma3x | guys: anybody knows how's called that tool that measures the bandwidth and cpu in icewm? |
| 16:44.00 | xoz | p30n: use view and it can detect presence of gz files |
| 16:44.00 | D13GU__ | sorry |
| 16:44.01 | simonrvn | HOW THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU TEST AN MTA? |
| 16:44.21 | greycat | telnet ;-) |
| 16:44.22 | highvoltage | simonrvn: if you ask like that you might never find out |
| 16:44.31 | EdibleText | heh |
| 16:44.33 | simonrvn | @lart highvoltage |
| 16:44.47 | websys | How can I chown all the files in a .deb to a non-root user? (i.e. postinst chown nonroot files ) |
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| 16:45.00 | Randall64 | Anyone know where to get this cramfs patch? |
| 16:45.21 | Randall64 | (for initrd on a custom kernel) |
| 16:45.26 | ma3x | anybody using IceWM? |
| 16:45.34 | rebel_ | evilwm is the only way to go |
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| 16:45.48 | buzzrunner | rebel_ indeed |
| 16:46.00 | highvoltage | rebel_: eveilwm? |
| 16:46.01 | basix | PerfDave, /usr/share/doc/ftpd-ssl/ doesnt have any useful info about configuring ftp-ssl |
| 16:46.12 | basix | PerfDave, *ftpd-ssl |
| 16:46.21 | MrP | What would make my debian system EXTREMELY slow to access from a compuer within the same network, but very fast remotely? |
| 16:46.22 | dondelelcaro | websys: eh? |
| 16:46.31 | dondelelcaro | websys: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 16:46.51 | highvoltage | MrP: very slow network cards on all the pc's on your local network? |
| 16:46.52 | greycat | MrP: incorrect duplex? |
| 16:46.58 | theb0y | hello, when I reboot my computer, i see: INIT: sending signal... INIT: ... how am I able to hide these messages from the kernel? coz syslogd is configured to put everything in (*.*) /dev/null |
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| 16:47.28 | websys | I am creating a .deb file and after install all files in my package are owned by root - I want to change the owner to and regular user |
| 16:47.43 | dondelelcaro | websys: all of the files should be owned by root. |
| 16:47.44 | MrP | Well, the network is fast, it is just that when I try to get into the mail server, dns server, or web server, it is dead slow. Took me 5 minutes to get a password invalid when I checked my email heh |
| 16:47.50 | dondelelcaro | websys: what package is this? |
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| 16:48.05 | websys | my own package |
| 16:48.13 | dondelelcaro | websys: of what? |
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| 16:48.26 | websys | a cad system |
| 16:48.36 | EdibleText | MrP, mail server, dns server, web server == the same server? |
| 16:48.44 | dondelelcaro | websys: and why exactly do you not want the files owned by root? |
| 16:48.56 | MrP | EdibleText: Yes. Just a mess around with development server |
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| 16:49.34 | MrP | EdibleText: Like I said, it is fast if you connect to it remotely, but when a computer on the local network tries to say check email, it is slow |
| 16:49.38 | MrP | I've never seen it happen before |
| 16:49.57 | Kven | Thanks PerfDave, found my mistake |
| 16:49.58 | PerfDave | basix: Oh well. Manpages? |
| 16:50.12 | PerfDave | Kven: No worries :) |
| 16:51.54 | basix | PerfDave, no man pages. man ftpd-ssl doesnt come up with anything |
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| 16:53.22 | Xintruder | hi |
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| 16:53.33 | EdibleText | MrP, the problem is not yet clear. your server is slow? |
| 16:53.48 | Xintruder | I just installed debian in my laptop, it can't ping nothing through my router, how can i fix that? |
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| 16:54.11 | PerfDave | Xintruder: Have you configured your networking correctly? Can you ping the router itself, or other local hosts? |
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| 16:54.19 | Skaja | should i do a network install via floppy |
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| 16:54.29 | MrP | EdibleText: It is slow if you try to access a service from a computer within the local network. If someone tries to access it from another state (in other words, not on the network), it is fast |
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| 16:54.58 | PerfDave | Skaja: If you want. You'd be better off doing a CD netinstall if that's possible though; the kernels on the netinstall and businesscard CDs have better hardware support. |
| 16:55.01 | Xintruder | <PerfDave> No I can't ping nothing, including my router |
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| 16:55.28 | greycat | PerfDave said that? |
| 16:55.28 | pusling | is it possible to make dpkg read from stdin ? like cat pack.deb | ssh host sudo dpkg -i - ? |
| 16:55.43 | greycat | pusling: no. scp it over. |
| 16:55.47 | PerfDave | pusling: Uhm, why not use scp? |
| 16:55.49 | Xintruder | <PerfDave> I tried eth0 up/down, same result. |
| 16:55.50 | PerfDave | basix: man ftpd |
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| 16:56.25 | pusling | PerfDave: 'cause this way I can do it thru one connection ;) - if it worked |
| 16:56.26 | EdibleText | MrP, ah . this server in on an internal network perhaps behind NAT with port forwarding or something or acts as a gateway? |
| 16:56.27 | websys | I allow the users to modify the system from inside the system but don't want them to belong to the root group |
| 16:56.38 | Xintruder | greyhat:no , lol, i copied/pasted the name |
| 16:56.41 | EdibleText | buh bye |
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| 16:56.45 | basix | PerfDave, no conf file in there :( |
| 16:56.48 | PerfDave | Xintruder: Check your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 16:57.02 | ma3x | is there any small graphical bandwidth monitor tool for debian? |
| 16:57.05 | PerfDave | basix: *shrug* File a no documentation bug then ;_) |
| 16:57.07 | ma3x | PerfDave any idea? |
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| 16:57.24 | EdibleText | !seen greyhat |
| 16:57.25 | dpkg | EdibleText: i haven't seen 'greyhat' |
| 16:57.25 | basix | PerfDave, hmph |
| 16:57.27 | Xintruder | PerfDave: I am there, what am I looking for? |
| 16:57.33 | kromagg | ma3x: as a gkrellm plugin among others |
| 16:57.45 | malye | my audio not work on my lapptop |
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| 16:58.07 | PerfDave | Xintruder: "man 5 interfaces" will tell you how to put the correct network settings for your interface in that file. |
| 16:58.17 | ma3x | kromagg : will it fit to the system tray? |
| 16:58.20 | PerfDave | ma3x: etherape? |
| 16:58.30 | kromagg | ma3x: notification are? |
| 16:58.31 | ma3x | PerfDave : have you ever used icewm? |
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| 16:58.53 | jip | when i do mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/hda1 /foo i get "ntfs volume version is win2k+. mounting read-only". can't i really mount it rw in any way? |
| 16:58.57 | ma3x | kromagg : make it clear |
| 16:59.13 | PerfDave | ma3x: Not that I cna remember |
| 16:59.16 | kromagg | ma3x: what kind of desktop environment do you use? |
| 16:59.22 | PerfDave | jip: Not easily or safely, no |
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| 16:59.37 | ma3x | kromagg : kde, but i want that tool from IceWM |
| 16:59.37 | ma3x | and i don't remember what is it alled |
| 16:59.40 | ma3x | it comes automatically with icewm |
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| 16:59.51 | Skaja | will a businesscard CD image work with a stander cd |
| 16:59.53 | PerfDave | jip: Microsoft keep the NTFS specs under close wraps |
| 17:00.12 | Xintruder | PerfDave: Thank you, im reading through it. |
| 17:00.21 | PerfDave | Skaja: Yes, but if you can't get your network working you will be left with a non-working system; better IMHO to get the netinstall CD. |
| 17:00.29 | jip | PerfDave: but it can be done? you know how? |
| 17:00.35 | PerfDave | Xintruder: Then use ifup and ifdown to bring the interface up and down. |
| 17:00.42 | EdibleText | jip, write support in the ntfs module, its EXPERIMENTAL at best, and my not be enabled in stock kernel modules |
| 17:01.07 | EdibleText | my/may |
| 17:01.11 | Xintruder | PerfDave: I will, thanks man. |
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| 17:01.25 | PerfDave | jip: The only way to have sensible NTFS write support is by bodging the Windows NFTS driver into your Linux kernel, which is a huge pain in the arse to set up. Just avoid NTFS like the plague ;) |
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| 17:02.55 | errrr | i was wondering if anyone knew of a backport for woody of php4 that works with apache2 |
| 17:03.06 | jip | yep |
| 17:03.17 | PerfDave | errrr: You've backported Apache2 to Woody? |
| 17:03.28 | errrr | PerfDave, im using the apache2 from backports |
| 17:03.35 | PerfDave | errrr: http://www.backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or /msg badgers backport |
| 17:03.55 | jip | thanks |
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| 17:04.10 | errrr | PerfDave, there is no backport of php4 |
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| 17:04.14 | errrr | to go wtih apache2 |
| 17:04.15 | diepes | Hi, i have problems with ext3 filesystem on a loop to file in msdos, that keeps on corrupting, normaly after/during dselect update, how can I start to find the problem ? (First i notice is when the filesystem changes to readonly) |
| 17:04.41 | PerfDave | errrr: Then make your own. Or just run Sarge already. |
| 17:04.48 | balony- | How can I load the megaraid2 and en1000 driver with the latest stable install? |
| 17:05.30 | dbernar1_ | xmms is freezing a bit, I just installed, is this common at all? |
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| 17:05.40 | Sebas_ | hi, i'm having a problem recovering my debian grub, when i excecute grub-install from the terminal opened in sarge install program it says "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
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| 17:06.14 | petemc | balony-: im not sure that you can, the stable installer froze at 2.6.8, what you need came in at 2.6.9 |
| 17:06.34 | petemc | balony-: theres a dell install iso, its only 5 meg, has everything you need |
| 17:07.21 | ma3x | petemc : you use desktop or window manager? |
| 17:07.35 | basix | what does this error mean??? Request for subsystem 'sftp' failed on channel 0 |
| 17:07.53 | jonkri | (off-topic) i dropped the harddrive on the motherboard (i don't know where). after that the computer wouldn't boot. i removed the cpu and put it back and then the computer booted. i got errors after fsck saying "double fault, gdt at [address] and then a lot of variables. i ran memtest86 and it found one error and crashed. what do you say? |
| 17:07.55 | petemc | ma3x: thats an odd question, i use osx as my main desktop, but in the past ive used gnome |
| 17:08.14 | petemc | basix: sftp isnt enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:08.22 | stew | yay new laptop for stew today |
| 17:08.34 | ma3x | stew : congratulations! |
| 17:08.39 | ma3x | are you happy? |
| 17:08.40 | dbernar1_ | yay for stew! |
| 17:08.50 | stew | time to get the great satisfaction of deleting ntfs partitions |
| 17:08.51 | ma3x | how ya feelin' right now? |
| 17:08.51 | diepes | dbernar1: you can play with schedular, increase nice value, or recompile kernel |
| 17:08.52 | balony- | petemc: yeah, trying the dell cd now, but does it install 3.1? |
| 17:08.53 | ma3x | huh stew ? |
| 17:08.58 | basix | petemc, but i am trying out ftpd-ssl. shouldn't it handle the sftp requests??? |
| 17:09.00 | FieldySnuts | stew: can I help? |
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| 17:09.02 | stew | heh |
| 17:09.10 | ma3x | stew : why will you delete ntfs |
| 17:09.13 | FieldySnuts | basix sftp != ftp over ssl |
| 17:09.16 | jonkri | it certainly sounds like broken ram, right? but why wouldn't the computer boot earlier? |
| 17:09.16 | ma3x | don't you have files on it? |
| 17:09.23 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a fs war |
| 17:09.24 | dpkg | ReiserFS is better than SysVfs!! |
| 17:09.28 | FieldySnuts | ruh oh |
| 17:09.32 | stew | ma3x: no all there is is the factory xp install |
| 17:09.38 | basix | FieldySnuts, whats the difference? which one is more "secure" (as in privacy) |
| 17:09.41 | petemc | balony-: last time i used it, it was based on the woody installer, i think they may use parts of the sarge installer now tho, even if they dont, the upgrade from woody to sarge is painless |
| 17:09.54 | petemc | basix: i know nothing about ftpd-ssl |
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| 17:10.02 | Skaja | if i was going to do the netinstall with a floppy what one do i download |
| 17:10.08 | FieldySnuts | basix: it's not a matter of security, the two are seperate and incompatible. you don't use sftp with an ftp server with ssl, you use an ftp client which supports ssl |
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| 17:10.14 | petemc | Skaja: the sarge installer |
| 17:10.18 | dbernar1_ | diepes: serious? I would recompile the kernel just to get xmms working? so then use rhytmbox or something cl? |
| 17:10.35 | ma3x | stew : why didnt you buy a laptop w/o OS? |
| 17:10.40 | basix | FieldySnuts, which server handles this command: sftp abc@zyx.com ?? |
| 17:10.44 | Skaja | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 17:10.45 | ma3x | thisway you paid $100 for the OS too |
| 17:10.57 | FieldySnuts | !lart basix for being thick |
| 17:10.57 | diepes | dbernar1_: only after trying renice and schedular changes |
| 17:11.00 | Xintruder | PerfDave, I just got an idea on the commands and stuff in that file. still not sure what to do |
| 17:11.02 | petemc | Skaja: looks right, read the install guide |
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| 17:11.25 | diepes | dbernar1_: there is also a buffer that can be increased in xmms settings |
| 17:11.35 | basix | FieldySnuts, sorry for being such a n00b. i guess its sftpd |
| 17:11.39 | Sebas_ | hi, i'm having a problem recovering my debian grub, when i excecute grub-install from the terminal opened in sarge install program it says "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 17:11.51 | basix | FieldySnuts, how do i get ftpd-ssl working then?? |
| 17:12.01 | petemc | basix: the ssh daemon handles sftp |
| 17:12.09 | greycat | Sebas_: did you chroot into the mounted root file system? |
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| 17:12.16 | dbernar1_ | diepes: ok, off to play around with that. |
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| 17:12.59 | xoz | what is the equivalent command for X -query in Xorg? |
| 17:13.00 | stew | ma3x: i bought it used; plus i only buy thinkpads, they don't sell those without windows |
| 17:13.03 | Sebas_ | greycat: yes... i did chroot /target |
| 17:13.07 | basix | petemc: yeh i got it |
| 17:13.29 | dbernar1_ | would having the output plugin set to OSS be bad for any reason? |
| 17:13.31 | xoz | this is to query XDMCP proto |
| 17:13.36 | dbernar1_ | In xmms |
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| 17:14.23 | ma3x | stew: where can i see this laptop? |
| 17:14.27 | basix | FieldySnuts, how do i change the port where ftpd-ssl is listening. i guess its listening on 21 i want to change it. |
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| 17:14.40 | stew | ma3x: in my office |
| 17:14.41 | greycat | basix: lsof -i :21 |
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| 17:14.45 | Stilgar^ | hello! |
| 17:14.52 | xoz | !seen gravity |
| 17:14.53 | dpkg | gravity <~david@pool-151-199-24-172.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15h 39m 47s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 17:14.55 | Eulex | diepes, if you've got alsa, choose alsa in the oss settings |
| 17:15.02 | stew | ma3x: what do you mean? thinkpad.com ? |
| 17:15.21 | Stilgar^ | I have the latest unstable distro with everything upgraded. Since upgrading to X.org X server my X keeps getting stuck. |
| 17:15.43 | Stilgar^ | did anyone else encounter this problem? I have not found reports about it in the mailing lists. |
| 17:15.44 | diepes | dbernar1_: yes alsa is the default on new kernels, oss adds a extra layer, might have to choose something that works with your window manager e.g. arts for kde |
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| 17:16.13 | ma3x | stew: what model is your laptop? |
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| 17:16.22 | ma3x | i want to see a picture of the exact model |
| 17:16.23 | ma3x | and specs |
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| 17:16.34 | PerfDave | Stilgar^: Did you check the BTS? |
| 17:16.41 | Stilgar^ | BTS? |
| 17:17.01 | PerfDave | !btssmite Stilgar^ |
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| 17:17.15 | rob_lt | Stilgar^: is it just the mouse? Can you ctrl-alt-f1 and then ctrl-alt-f7 and get control back? |
| 17:17.19 | Stilgar^ | (I would like to note that it does freeze and I can not get back to console. telnetting to the machine and killing the x server brutally does the trick{ |
| 17:17.37 | PerfDave | Xintruder: You may want to look in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ too |
| 17:17.43 | Stilgar^ | Ah, yes, I was looking at the bts. |
| 17:17.46 | ircdevil | neat - wikipedea and google plays together ... |
| 17:17.50 | Stilgar^ | I cannot get back to console. |
| 17:17.58 | Stilgar^ | even if I kill -9 the x server. |
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| 17:19.22 | launch | can we use metacity without gnome? |
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| 17:20.02 | VonBismark | Hello! How I can view wich process is using my ports? like netstat -ant... |
| 17:20.18 | dbernar1_ | diepes: do you know if esd is set up with gnome to statrt automatically? |
| 17:20.39 | dbernar1_ | ok, esd in a terminal answered that... |
| 17:20.47 | diepes | dbernar1_: yes normaly |
| 17:20.53 | PerfDave | VonBismark: Stick a -p in there, run it as root |
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| 17:21.10 | dbernar1_ | diepes: well, it was not I dont think...some preference, is it? |
| 17:21.15 | diepes | dbernar1_: ps ax | grep esd |
| 17:21.19 | ytti | ok, this might be FAQ, but what happened to non-US in unstable, is it in main now? |
| 17:21.26 | ytti | and if yes, is there some URL where i can read about it |
| 17:21.28 | jdhutchin1 | ytti, check the topic |
| 17:21.38 | dbernar1_ | I started it now, does that only tell me if the process uis running? |
| 17:21.42 | diepes | dbernar1_: do you have any sound in gnome ? |
| 17:21.46 | PerfDave | !topicsmite ytti |
| 17:21.47 | dbernar1_ | haha |
| 17:21.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ytti. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:21.50 | dbernar1_ | yeah, thanks |
| 17:22.02 | ytti | jdhutchin1, thanks |
| 17:22.19 | dbernar1_ | I am laughing cause there is a Applications>Desk Prefs>Sound>Enable Sound server startup. |
| 17:22.26 | dbernar1_ | I think that should do it. |
| 17:22.33 | dbernar1_ | for esd, anyhow to start up. |
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| 17:23.03 | dbernar1_ | xmms is already working better. |
| 17:23.38 | dbernar1_ | thanks, diepes, one less thing to set up./ |
| 17:23.53 | diepes | dbernar1_: grepad you can use top to change the nice value for xmms to -5. |
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| 17:24.47 | VonBismark | Thanks!! |
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| 17:26.00 | foo | What is the best way to upgrade my firefox from 1.0.4 to 1.0.6 ? |
| 17:26.16 | Schiz0 | apt-get update |
| 17:26.17 | pablum_ | !$%!$#% |
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| 17:26.18 | Schiz0 | apt-get upgrade |
| 17:26.24 | dbernar1_ | Can someone tell me what it means to be #1 on a distrowatch board? What is it based on? It is not something objective, I dont think... |
| 17:26.40 | foo | Schiz0: Is the new version already on the debian servers or whatever? |
| 17:27.05 | Schiz0 | Not sure, I didn't know they came out with a new version lol |
| 17:27.10 | RichiH | dbernar1_: it's not |
| 17:27.14 | Schiz0 | I don't follow that stuff, I just update and upgrade daily. |
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| 17:27.26 | dbernar1_ | ya, ok, I didnt think so... |
| 17:27.43 | dbernar1_ | diepes: so, just nice -5 xmms? cause that worked, no errors, at least.. |
| 17:28.10 | diepes | dbernar1_: run top in a terminal net r - renice |
| 17:28.20 | asuffield | dbernar1: it's pure bullshit |
| 17:28.41 | dbernar1_ | asuffield: ya, I thought it was something like that, I think I get what it is now. |
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| 17:29.42 | pablum | I think I just borked my laptop (changed orig. "testing" (was sarge) to sid by mistake, then updated.) Can I just move back to "sarge"? |
| 17:29.49 | dbernar1_ | I run top, and do I type in: net r - renice in there? |
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| 17:30.37 | RogueDopple | hair club for men |
| 17:30.40 | Eulex | pabl0, no |
| 17:30.44 | Schiz0 | pablum- You can't downgrade |
| 17:30.49 | Eulex | umh, sorry pabl0 |
| 17:30.54 | pabl0 | :) |
| 17:30.55 | pablum | fuck. |
| 17:31.04 | Eulex | pablum, as Schiz0 said |
| 17:31.24 | pablum | at least it's on a fast network (have to del all save /home and start over...) |
| 17:31.30 | pablum | fuck |
| 17:31.35 | diepes | if you wait 2 years it will be stable again |
| 17:31.36 | toresbe | James "Scotty" Doohan is dead :( |
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| 17:31.47 | rbochan | pablum: is /home it's own partition? |
| 17:31.48 | Schiz0 | pablum- /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 17:31.52 | pablum | diepes, I'll just put it in the closet. :) |
| 17:31.54 | kisielk | I'm trying to remove the usblp module using modprobe, but it keeps saying it's in use |
| 17:31.59 | kisielk | but when I do "lsmod" |
| 17:32.05 | kisielk | there's no other modules that appear to depend on it |
| 17:32.06 | Eulex | Schiz0, dpkg's back?? |
| 17:32.16 | Eulex | oh, he is |
| 17:32.21 | Schiz0 | yeah lol ;-p |
| 17:32.22 | pablum | rbochan, no... have to use for dir in /blah1 /blah2 etc; |
| 17:32.23 | Eulex | !greet |
| 17:32.37 | ma3x | how is possible to mount .ISO? |
| 17:32.38 | pablum | Schiz0, is dpkg back? |
| 17:32.39 | rbochan | pablum: might not be a bad idea ;) |
| 17:32.50 | Schiz0 | pablum- yeah. |
| 17:32.55 | pablum | rbochan, the only way to save local |
| 17:33.02 | Schiz0 | !tell schiz0 about downgrade |
| 17:33.07 | Schiz0 | hmm..just checking something |
| 17:33.11 | ma3x | hello |
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| 17:33.14 | Pego | hi |
| 17:33.17 | dbernar1_ | hey ma3x |
| 17:33.18 | ma3x | are .iso files mountable under linux? |
| 17:33.23 | dbernar1_ | yes |
| 17:33.24 | pablum | ma3x, yes |
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| 17:33.27 | pablum | loopback |
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| 17:33.42 | pablum | -o loop |
| 17:33.42 | ma3x | pablum what package or how? |
| 17:33.56 | Eulex | ma3x, no package, builtin |
| 17:34.00 | pablum | ma3x, mount does it: use the 'loop' option |
| 17:34.01 | laabxol | hello! |
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| 17:34.13 | ma3x | so mount -o file.iso /dest |
| 17:34.14 | Pego | I'm noding a dd_rescue right now from hdi to hdk and my transfer rate is 2099kB/s is there a way to make it faster please ? |
| 17:34.15 | naddar | anyone use webmin? |
| 17:34.22 | rbochan | !anyone use |
| 17:34.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:34.24 | Eulex | ma3x, mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso mountpoint |
| 17:34.30 | pablum | ma3x, no '-o loop' |
| 17:34.31 | Ronin | only if i absolutly have to naddar |
| 17:34.39 | Ronin | or too lazy that is |
| 17:34.49 | naddar | is it not good? |
| 17:34.52 | ma3x | thanks Eulex :) |
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| 17:35.02 | dbernar1_ | how do I permanently change default editor, for, for example, man, and that, do I set up the EDITOR variable in a profile file? |
| 17:35.13 | ma3x | Eulex: how are ya dude? |
| 17:35.20 | rbochan | update-alternatives |
| 17:35.23 | kwalldio | there is driver for lexmark printer T430? |
| 17:35.26 | rbochan | should be able to do it |
| 17:35.29 | fantomas | Hi. IPTABLES question (sorry for asking it here - I know about #iptables channel and I've already asked on ##linux but got no reply yet). Does this rule: "-t filter -A INPUT -p TCP --syn -j ACCEPT" allow any incoming connections? |
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| 17:35.31 | ma3x | you been away for 2-3 hours, huh? |
| 17:35.31 | DaDave | hi all |
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| 17:35.54 | roler | is there a global search and replace for files in a directory? |
| 17:36.08 | dbernar1_ | naddar: basically, someone sure uses it. Ask a specific question, dont be like anyone use this...that was the message, I think. |
| 17:36.13 | DaDave | i want to fecth emails from a pop3 account and put them directly into a maildir of a local imap server (curier-imap4). what's the best and esiest way to do this? |
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| 17:36.31 | naddar | where can i find the config of my video settings? |
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| 17:37.03 | Eulex | ma3x, yeah, around that -- thunderstorm, had to plug out everything that cannot run on battery |
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| 17:37.22 | pablum | @#$%, I needed OOo on that machine. |
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| 17:37.40 | rbochan | !tell naddar about drxx |
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| 17:37.59 | mbeebe | I am testing my tape drive and am finding some errors. mt ... status works fine and says I am at file position 0. |
| 17:38.05 | maj_g00n | DaDave: use fetchmail |
| 17:38.07 | laabxol | I have trouble getting the xserver function, anyone will help? |
| 17:38.11 | diepes | fantomas: why not use state NEW ? |
| 17:38.17 | naddar | thans |
| 17:38.19 | mbeebe | tar cvf /dev/st0 test gives me an error |
| 17:38.23 | DaDave | maj_g00n: but how can i force fetchmail to put the fecthed mails into a maildir? |
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| 17:38.58 | mbeebe | tar cvf /dev/st0 test gives me an error with sense data: sequential positioning error |
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| 17:39.01 | kwalldio | why I must to use Debian, and not to use Fedora? |
| 17:39.16 | petemc | kwalldio: i said so |
| 17:39.20 | fantomas | diepes: well, actually I don't want to allow any connections. What I doubt in is --syn the same as NEW? |
| 17:39.28 | maj_g00n | DaDave; fetchmail + procmail, i belive that will do the job |
| 17:39.32 | kisielk | hm |
| 17:39.39 | kisielk | how do I kill a process if kill -9 doesnt work? |
| 17:39.39 | kwalldio | ? |
| 17:39.54 | kwalldio | my boss want to use Fedora... |
| 17:40.00 | kwalldio | but I like Debian... |
| 17:40.06 | fantomas | diepes: man iptables doesn't make it clear enough for me |
| 17:40.09 | kwalldio | I need arguments |
| 17:40.38 | pablum | kisielk, -9 *doesn't* work? |
| 17:40.41 | petemc | kwalldio: if you have to admin it, then using what you are most experienced with makes sense |
| 17:40.45 | DaDave | maj_g00n: yeah but ther is the problem that procmail will put the mails always into the same maildir. i have multiple pop3 accounts to fetch from and the mails should be put into different maildirs (one dir for each pop3 account) |
| 17:40.47 | kisielk | pablum: nope |
| 17:40.53 | kisielk | pablum: stubborn process... heh |
| 17:40.54 | diepes | fantomas: normaly allow in ESTABLISHED then only connection that you originated will be allowed to flow. |
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| 17:41.00 | pablum | what process? |
| 17:41.09 | pablum | and... as root? |
| 17:41.18 | kisielk | pablum: yes of course as root |
| 17:41.25 | kisielk | pablum: it's a runaway print job |
| 17:41.35 | roler | is there a global search and replace for files in a directory? |
| 17:41.37 | kisielk | currently it's generating roughly 1 syslog message per second.. |
| 17:41.38 | pablum | ah probably changing its pid? |
| 17:41.43 | kisielk | pablum: no, same pid |
| 17:41.52 | kisielk | it just .. will.. not ... die.. |
| 17:41.55 | pablum | kisielk, try "killall -9 <processname>" |
| 17:42.13 | jdhutchin1 | kisielk, and if that doesn't work, it's a zombie process, wait until its parent dies |
| 17:42.26 | pablum | yeah, what he saide |
| 17:42.28 | maj_g00n | DaDave; procmail should be able to do the jobb iirc. you should be able to separate on to address. |
| 17:42.29 | mbeebe | I am getting a positioning error when I tar to my tape drive, but mt status says that it is positioned at the beginning. What can I do to fix this? |
| 17:42.31 | kisielk | jdhutchin1: it's been running for 6 days |
| 17:42.33 | sepski | !tell kwalldio about why debian |
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| 17:42.37 | kisielk | jdhutchin1: I don't think that will happen ;) |
| 17:42.47 | fantomas | diepes: yes, I have the rule for allowing ESTABLISHED - just wonder if NEW tcp connections be allowed when there is no "--state NEW -j ACCEPT" rule, but there is "-p TCP --syn -j ACCEPT".... |
| 17:43.10 | jdhutchin1 | !tell kisielk about zombie |
| 17:43.10 | kisielk | pablum: and killall doesn't work either |
| 17:43.16 | Azar | strange thing on this server, I just got in, my nick was in use, killed the nick and my computer locked, anyone would know what happens? |
| 17:43.24 | pablum | kisielk, you can use pstree to find its parent (hope it's not init) |
| 17:43.36 | diepes | fantomas: i would guess yes, syn is on first packet and after that it is ESTABLISHED |
| 17:43.41 | pablum | kisielk, who owns it? |
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| 17:43.59 | DaDave | maj_g00n: but i would have to sort them on depending on the pop3 box they where fetched from bc some mails does have weird to-fields... |
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| 17:44.21 | rbochan | kwalldio: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html |
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| 17:44.38 | fantomas | diepes: hell, then my system have been extremaly unsafe for more then a year :) |
| 17:44.47 | kisielk | pablum: it's the "usb" process |
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| 17:44.50 | kisielk | pablum: its parent is init.. |
| 17:44.53 | maj_g00n | DaDave; sorry, then i dont think im the right one to answer your q.. :) |
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| 17:45.04 | roler | anyone? |
| 17:45.08 | TiTaN_pi8 | hello, can anybody tell me how i can execute 2 command right after each other? |
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| 17:45.12 | Gumby | if I am wanting to upgrade a syngle problem do I still use apt-get for that or is there something else I should use? |
| 17:45.13 | pippijn | hi all |
| 17:45.17 | jdhutchin1 | kisielk, then just ignore it, there's nothing you can do |
| 17:45.20 | Gumby | lol.. problem=package |
| 17:45.22 | distempr | I know I'll get flogged on this, but how would I make my multimedia keys work on my keyboard? |
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| 17:45.24 | lilalinux | TiTaN_pi8: #bash |
| 17:45.24 | pippijn | how hard is it to get evms to work on debian etch? |
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| 17:45.29 | pablum | kisielk, what's it saying in the syslog? (and, have you tried unplugging your usb stuff?) |
| 17:45.32 | DaDave | maj_g00n: okay, thanx anyway... |
| 17:45.33 | TiTaN_pi8 | lila, how do you mean? |
| 17:45.39 | sepski | TiTaN_pi8, one ; other or one && other if one succeeded |
| 17:45.40 | hyde | TiTaN_pi8: cmd1; cmd2 |
| 17:45.50 | TiTaN_pi8 | thx |
| 17:45.51 | rbochan | Gumby: clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 17:45.52 | maj_g00n | DaDave: np ;) |
| 17:45.58 | lilliput | hello all I'm under debian unstable and when I try to udapte && upgrade I got a "freeze" when apt-get is preconfiguring the packaging (after 5min I get "Received signal. Aborting xserver-xorg package config script." with ctrl +c) |
| 17:45.59 | kisielk | jdhutchin1: its using all the cpu time, and putting in about 2GB of log messages a day |
| 17:46.04 | pippijn | is there a good manual that explains how to install evms? |
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| 17:46.14 | kisielk | pablum: I would if I was anywhere near the machine |
| 17:46.33 | pablum | oh... well bump it. |
| 17:46.35 | Gumby | rbochan: I clicked it, my package still hasnt upgraded. OHHHHHHHHH, you mean I have to read it to... ok :P |
| 17:46.47 | Azar | I am about to buy this book: http://pcburn.com/review-A_Practical_Guide_to_Linux_Commands_Editors_and_Shell_Programming.php should it be useful for a new Debian user ? |
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| 17:47.09 | TiTaN_pi8 | mmh that is not what i want. i want to do: startx ; other command. but i do not want to wait until startx has finished (so until i am back in text mode) |
| 17:47.13 | sean_micken | i would like to build my own packages (right now i'd like to build a dspam package for myself) -- is there a _good_ tutorial for doing this? |
| 17:47.20 | DaDave | maj_g00n: getmail4 does directly support delivery to maildir... fuck fetchmail ;-) |
| 17:47.24 | pippijn | anyone? |
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| 17:47.43 | pippijn | anyone who has EVMS on his debian system? |
| 17:47.55 | petemc | pippijn: dont repeat |
| 17:47.59 | pippijn | okay |
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| 17:48.19 | sepski | sean_micken, is this binary files you want to package, or a source you want to build and package ? |
| 17:48.21 | pablum | kisielk, is it possible you did something like update the kernel without a restart? |
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| 17:48.39 | kwalldio | welll... |
| 17:48.45 | TiTaN_pi8 | anyone who can tell me how to execute 2 commands at once? |
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| 17:49.00 | sean_micken | sepski, i've got the dspam source tarball and i need to build it and package it into a .deb cause i really don't want to just use make/make install and not use the package manager. |
| 17:49.00 | kwalldio | but why not no use the Fedora? |
| 17:49.04 | pippijn | TiTaN_pi8: write this in a file: |
| 17:49.08 | pippijn | command1& |
| 17:49.09 | hyde | TiTaN_pi8: cmd1 & cmd2 |
| 17:49.10 | Azar | TiTaN_pi8, by inserting a ; between the commands |
| 17:49.20 | pippijn | command2 |
| 17:49.25 | pippijn | make that executable |
| 17:49.29 | diepes | TiTaN_pi8: xx ; xx |
| 17:49.29 | pippijn | and run it |
| 17:49.32 | TiTaN_pi8 | azar, no then the second command has to wait until the first one has finished |
| 17:49.36 | pippijn | TiTaN_pi8: as I said |
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| 17:49.52 | pippijn | command1& |
| 17:49.54 | pippijn | command2 |
| 17:49.59 | kwalldio | fine, but why not to use the Fedora... |
| 17:50.00 | diepes | diepes: TiTaN_pi8: xx& ; xx& |
| 17:50.03 | TiTaN_pi8 | pippijn, so the 2nd command will execute even if the first one isn't finished yet? |
| 17:50.05 | pippijn | yes |
| 17:50.08 | Azar | TiTaN_pi8, you could add an | option but I am not sure which, |
| 17:50.09 | TiTaN_pi8 | thank you |
| 17:50.13 | pippijn | & means put in background |
| 17:50.22 | TiTaN_pi8 | i will try pippijns solution, brb |
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| 17:50.25 | hyde | diepes: you don't need that semicolon |
| 17:50.30 | Azar | ah nice, thanks for the tip pippijn |
| 17:50.30 | sepski | sean_micken, http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/PackagingTutorial and http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ and many others |
| 17:50.31 | pippijn | diepes: are you sure that works? |
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| 17:51.08 | TiTaN_pi8 | pippijn, it works, but do you know if i can add a delay? :) |
| 17:51.10 | pippijn | diepes: it doesn't work |
| 17:51.13 | TiTaN_pi8 | (for the second command) |
| 17:51.18 | pippijn | TiTaN_pi8: put a sleep in between |
| 17:51.20 | pippijn | command1& |
| 17:51.24 | pippijn | sleep <seconds> |
| 17:51.26 | pippijn | command 2 |
| 17:51.27 | TiTaN_pi8 | thx |
| 17:51.39 | pippijn | xinutec:/home/pippijn# ls -la& ; clear |
| 17:51.39 | pippijn | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 17:51.40 | diepes | pippijn: sorry |
| 17:51.47 | kisielk | pablum: no, just the printer screwed up |
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| 17:52.59 | pablum | kisielk, if you can't kill it it's probably because the problem isn't in userspace, and you need to either reboot or figure out a way to unload the module(don't know if there's a way) |
| 17:53.02 | lilliput | there is a pb with xserver-xorg .. I can upgrade If I unselect this pacakage..... |
| 17:53.06 | Justin | you don't want the ; |
| 17:53.08 | TiTaN_pi8 | pippijn, it works perfectly!! thx a lot! |
| 17:53.09 | greycat | pippijn: so don't put the ";" there. |
| 17:53.16 | kisielk | pablum: can't remove the module, it says it's in use |
| 17:53.18 | pippijn | greycat: I will try that |
| 17:53.24 | pablum | kisielk, you also haven't told me what the syslog error is... |
| 17:53.26 | pippijn | greycat: nope |
| 17:53.40 | pippijn | that will make command2 wait for command1 to end |
| 17:53.42 | lilliput | seems to freeze during the pre - configuration process |
| 17:53.46 | pablum | er, message |
| 17:53.52 | Gerriall | Hey guys, I have a laptop with multiple OSs. I currently have Grub that was loaded from CentOS4.1 and my boot loader. I'm trying to access a Ubuntu Partiion and add it to my grub.conf. I have the rootnoverify (hd0,0) and chainloader +1 , but I am missing something else to get it to boot. Any thoughts or assistance? |
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| 17:54.11 | kisielk | pablum: kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: error -71 reading printer status |
| 17:54.19 | kisielk | pablum: it prints that about 20 times a second |
| 17:54.40 | pablum | kisielk, yeah, don't ignore the "reboot" suggestion... |
| 17:54.52 | greycat | pippijn: "nope" what? |
| 17:55.02 | greycat | pippijn: I'd prove you wrong, but I can't do it in less than 4 lines. That would get me kicked. |
| 17:55.15 | pippijn | it does not do what TiTaN_pi8 wanted to do |
| 17:55.16 | greycat | pippijn: try it yourself: date; sleep 10 & date |
| 17:55.32 | PerfDave | Gerriall: Are you running Ubuntu or Debian? |
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| 17:55.42 | pippijn | greycat: it will wait for the first command to exit till the 10 seconds start counting |
| 17:55.46 | pippijn | that is not what TiTaN_pi8 wanted |
| 17:55.47 | Gerriall | Ubuntu and I just went to that room to ask. |
| 17:56.13 | Gerriall | Sorry for the cross reference. |
| 17:56.18 | rbochan | trying to access a CentOS grub install to get to Ubuntu and you ask in #debian? |
| 17:56.27 | Gerriall | Yeah. yeah. |
| 17:56.30 | pablum | kisielk, did you try rmmod -f ? |
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| 17:57.03 | PerfDave | Gerriall: If you're running Ubuntu, gon't come asking #debian for support. Debian is not Ubuntu, nor is it CentOS. Now piss off and ask #ubuntu, #centos or #grub |
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| 17:59.41 | Kven | What could cause xdm to run fluxbox if I boot with grub on one kernel and not the other? |
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| 17:59.56 | TiTaN_pi8 | pippijn, it seems there is stil one more small problem. I now have a file with startx& 'nextline' sleep 2 'next line' command2 and it is being executed just fine, but when i exit X (ctrl - alt - backspace) i do not return to the command prompt, i have press ctrl-c first (kill some process). |
| 18:00.00 | elirips_ | hello. i have the problem that after resuming from suspend to ram my clock is going wrong. i read on google that doing a 'hwclock --systohw' before going to suspend would help that problem, but unfortunatly it doesnt. anybody knows what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 18:00.34 | pippijn | command2& |
| 18:00.36 | pippijn | put that |
| 18:00.40 | TiTaN_pi8 | already tried |
| 18:00.43 | pippijn | hm |
| 18:00.46 | pippijn | then |
| 18:00.48 | sepski | elirips, woudnt a ntpdate when you return from suspend be more sensible ? |
| 18:00.48 | mhall | Hello. How do I get grep to display the number of matches instead of the number of lines (as displayed by the -c option)? |
| 18:00.50 | pippijn | script.sh& |
| 18:00.55 | TiTaN_pi8 | k |
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| 18:01.38 | TiTaN_pi8 | nope, still the same |
| 18:01.39 | elirips_ | sepski: i am using a laptop, and i often use suspend when i got no internet available, for example when changing train, etc. |
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| 18:02.41 | sly007 | Why does sudo /etc/init.d/ypbind stop gives "start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 13014: No such process, start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 13012: No such process" on my machine? |
| 18:02.46 | TiTaN_pi8 | seems like the little script doesn't end |
| 18:02.50 | sepski | elirips, then a --systohc when you suspend, and a hctosys when you resume ? |
| 18:03.30 | pippijn | is there a gui or a ncurses configurator for LVM? |
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| 18:03.44 | newdebusr | how do I browse a cd rom on a stock debian sarge system using mc? That should be easy right. |
| 18:03.51 | elirips_ | sepski: thanks, i will give that a try. |
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| 18:04.44 | useruser | newdebusr: you have to mount it |
| 18:04.45 | sepski | pippijn, there is a webmin module for lvm, that i know about. but i'd be weary of using it |
| 18:04.52 | useruser | newdebusr: probably mount /dev/cdrom will do the trick |
| 18:05.09 | pippijn | well I really want to use EVMS |
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| 18:05.22 | pippijn | but it is not really in debian rather than in ubuntu |
| 18:05.53 | newdebusr | useruser: Thanks that worked |
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| 18:06.17 | sepski | pippijn, evms is in sid isn't it ? |
| 18:06.21 | pippijn | really? |
| 18:06.28 | sepski | pippijn, do a simple backport ? |
| 18:06.38 | pippijn | well it is in etch |
| 18:06.41 | pippijn | but not really |
| 18:06.57 | pippijn | just in the repo but there is no kernel with it |
| 18:07.04 | pippijn | evms needs a kernel patch |
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| 18:07.15 | pippijn | and I don't know how to apply that |
| 18:07.17 | sepski | pippijn, acording to p.d.o its also in sarge... ?? |
| 18:07.33 | pippijn | well... as I said |
| 18:07.40 | pippijn | it is there |
| 18:07.43 | sepski | pippijn, i'd look for a module-assistant way of making that module. if it's in sarge perhaps it's added to module-assistant also |
| 18:07.56 | pippijn | it's no module it is a patch |
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| 18:08.33 | leumas | hi, i'm downloain te iso dvd1.iso image, but it's only 300 MB, thats ok? |
| 18:08.37 | sepski | pippijn, have you read the /usr/share/doc/evms/ files. it's likely to be documentet there |
| 18:08.47 | spart_ | I'm getting the following in my mail.log, using authmysql for authentication, any ideas what's wrong? Error in processing, id=09093-01, creating_partsdir FAILED: SQL server(s) not reachable" |
| 18:08.47 | pippijn | hm |
| 18:08.51 | pippijn | yeah |
| 18:08.55 | pippijn | I will look at that |
| 18:08.57 | shingouz | pippijn: man patch. also, if you really are running ubuntu ask your question in #ubuntu |
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| 18:09.04 | sepski | leumas, why use a dvd image for a data amount that will fit a cd-r ? |
| 18:09.09 | pippijn | shingouz: I am running etch |
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| 18:09.36 | leumas | sepski, because i downloaded the iso-dvd image |
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| 18:10.02 | leumas | when i mount these image, du -h says: 4.3 GB |
| 18:10.06 | kisielk | pablum: well, rmmod -f was certainly a bad idea : |
| 18:10.15 | pablum | heh |
| 18:10.25 | Azar | can I get ahold of some of the server's admins on this server? (sterling) |
| 18:10.26 | pablum | what's wrong with rebooting? |
| 18:10.34 | sepski | leumas, well you probablyt know better then i then, burn away |
| 18:10.37 | leumas | but, when i do du -h to the iso file, it's say 320 MB |
| 18:10.54 | pablum | kisielk, you have a problem in ring0. you have to reboot. reboot. |
| 18:11.08 | shingouz | Azar: try #freenode. you have to wait for quite a while to get voiced there though |
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| 18:11.13 | kisielk | pablum: well, I didn't have much of a choice after that rmmod |
| 18:11.17 | Azar | thank you shingouz |
| 18:11.19 | kisielk | pablum: the kernel panicked.. |
| 18:11.28 | pablum | kisielk, you acted like it wasn't a choice at all. |
| 18:11.53 | petemc | Azar: i wouldnt bother them with your little `identifying made my computer hang' issue |
| 18:11.59 | kisielk | pablum: well, it was my last option |
| 18:12.11 | kisielk | pablum: I don't like rebooting machines I don't have physical access to |
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| 18:12.17 | pablum | you had a problem you couldn't fix and instead of rebooting, you tried forcing it. a problem you can't access from userspace is a good sign you have to reboot. |
| 18:12.17 | kisielk | pablum: in case they don't want to come back up |
| 18:12.20 | pablum | sheesh |
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| 18:13.13 | pablum | kisielk, get a pair of hands on the remote end... |
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| 18:13.24 | sepski | kisielk, better you find that out now, then on a unscheduled reboot dont you think ? |
| 18:13.25 | Ms-W0rld | hello |
| 18:13.29 | Ms-W0rld | how to download AMSN? |
| 18:13.41 | Slippy | aptitude install amsn |
| 18:13.44 | quittt | do you a decent id3 tag editor? |
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| 18:14.05 | rbochan | quittt: easytag |
| 18:14.18 | quittt | rbochan, does it put the fucking albuns properly? |
| 18:14.28 | rbochan | yerwhathurts? |
| 18:15.04 | Ms-W0rld | I CANT INSTALL AMSN |
| 18:15.12 | Ronin | Ms-W0rld: no need to yell |
| 18:15.14 | pablum | oh lordy |
| 18:15.19 | Ms-W0rld | :P |
| 18:15.19 | Ronin | Ms-W0rld: apt-get install perhaps |
| 18:15.30 | TiTaN_pi8 | i have another question: is there something like a 'startup-folder' in linux(debian, fluxbox)? So that as soon as X is running, a specified program wil be executed? |
| 18:15.39 | jetx | as root |
| 18:15.42 | rbochan | TiTaN_pi8: depends on the wm/de |
| 18:15.52 | TiTaN_pi8 | fluxbox |
| 18:15.57 | greycat | Ms-W0rld: tried gaim? |
| 18:16.05 | Ms-W0rld | gaim sucks |
| 18:16.09 | rbochan | in flux, you can specify in the .xsession or .xinitrc, or flux might have an addon |
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| 18:16.19 | TiTaN_pi8 | thank you |
| 18:16.26 | jetx | msn sucks to so what's your point |
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| 18:16.28 | Eulex | TiTaN_pi8, I doubt fluxbox handles ~/Desktop/Autostart (otherwise that's the freedesktop.org standard) |
| 18:16.31 | jetx | too |
| 18:16.35 | Ms-W0rld | AMSN |
| 18:16.39 | Ms-W0rld | NEED TO INSTALL AMSN |
| 18:16.45 | shingouz | Ms-W0rld: then do so |
| 18:16.47 | jetx | so do it |
| 18:16.51 | rbochan | Ms-W0rld : my cat Mittens likes milk |
| 18:16.52 | jetx | shingouz: :) |
| 18:16.53 | petemc | Ms-W0rld: dont be a jerk, does apt-get install amsn not work? |
| 18:16.55 | Ronin | and stay off the caps key too |
| 18:17.05 | jetx | as root that is |
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| 18:17.08 | Ronin | Ms-W0rld: what happens when you try apt-get install amsn as root |
| 18:17.11 | pablum | !shout |
| 18:17.16 | dasunt | How do I reconfigure the default browser? |
| 18:17.23 | shingouz | @lart dpkg |
| 18:17.36 | pablum | heh |
| 18:17.47 | jetx | man update-alternatives dasunt |
| 18:17.53 | dasunt | jetx: Thanks. |
| 18:18.01 | Ms-W0rld | root@1[~]# apt-get install amsn |
| 18:18.01 | Ms-W0rld | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:18.01 | Ms-W0rld | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 18:18.01 | Ms-W0rld | E: Couldn't find package amsn |
| 18:18.02 | petemc | dasunt: you can do some stuff via the alternatives system, update-alternatives --config w-www-browser or some such |
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| 18:18.07 | jetx | it's update-alternatives --www-browser or some such |
| 18:18.23 | shingouz | depends on the size i guess |
| 18:18.30 | jetx | god i'm solw |
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| 18:18.50 | shingouz | Ms-W0rld: nice paste. /msg dpkg search |
| 18:19.09 | sepski | Ms-W0rld, are you sure your running debian, amsn is in all 3 debian variants |
| 18:19.31 | jetx | probably the sources are the install cd |
| 18:19.34 | jetx | :p |
| 18:19.42 | sepski | Ms-W0rld, or have you perhaps installed from a cd, and not added sources |
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| 18:19.53 | Eulex | or he's using some ancient debian |
| 18:19.54 | sepski | jetx, :) |
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| 18:20.04 | greycat | !info amsn sarge |
| 18:20.06 | dpkg | amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB |
| 18:20.41 | Azar | hmmm how could I report a bug with freenode irc servers? |
| 18:20.45 | dasunt | petemc, jetx: Thanks. |
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| 18:21.01 | Schiz0 | Azar- try #freenode |
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| 18:21.13 | Azar | Schiz0, they do not voice visitors |
| 18:21.20 | dfinn | Can anyone help me figure out why I get no sound from gaim when running enlightenment, but it works great under gnome |
| 18:21.24 | dfinn | I get the following error whenever any sound is attempted to be played : "libao - OSS cannot set channels to 1" |
| 18:21.27 | Schiz0 | They did when I went in...That's retarted |
| 18:21.28 | jetx | Azar: yes they do but it takes a while usually |
| 18:21.29 | shingouz | Azar: oh yes they do. once they get around to it |
| 18:21.40 | petemc | Azar: is the bug reproducable? |
| 18:21.41 | Schiz0 | Why the hell do they have a +m anyway |
| 18:21.42 | Azar | ok thanks :) |
| 18:21.44 | Schiz0 | that's retarted |
| 18:21.51 | doub | Azar: see the freenode website, their contact address is staff@freenode.net IIRC |
| 18:21.58 | greycat | yeah, it's almost as dumb as misspelling "retarded" |
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| 18:22.02 | shingouz | Schiz0: so are the retads who like to spam the channel |
| 18:22.10 | keta | |
| 18:22.15 | jetx | Schiz0: they get more trolls than #debian |
| 18:22.20 | jetx | omg! |
| 18:22.23 | shingouz | damn. retards. weird, i tpyo too |
| 18:22.24 | Azar | petemc there is a trigger when one tries to kill his nick when used by someone else: it performs "exit" |
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| 18:22.32 | Azar | "exit" as in logoff user |
| 18:22.44 | Azar | on the system, not in the irc |
| 18:22.44 | Eulex | I ctcp version'd Ms-W0rld... he's on kernel 2.6.10 -- that means, there's a big chance he's not on debian |
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| 18:22.53 | petemc | Azar: if your irc client can log you off you have problems.. |
| 18:22.56 | pablum | shingouz, that was proper. If you're from cambridge. |
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| 18:22.59 | jetx | ubuntu boy |
| 18:23.02 | pablum | Mass. |
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| 18:23.20 | Azar | petemc, you might be right, I will check this issue |
| 18:23.21 | shingouz | pablum: i am not from cambridge. should i be? :p |
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| 18:23.26 | Eulex | Ms-W0rld, have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 18:23.44 | Slippy | Eulex: heh..I'm on 2.6.12.3 so that means there's a big chance i'm not on debian? :P |
| 18:23.44 | deckrider | hi, I'm using debian/sarge and am setting up mutt and exim4 on a new system with new email. Where is it that I say I want to use some other smtp server and not exim on the local machine, and also where to I set the return address since its not user@local.machine? |
| 18:23.51 | jetx | !info kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386 sarge |
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| 18:24.15 | pablum | shingouz, if you want people to think you went to Hahvahd... |
| 18:24.16 | petemc | deckrider: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, set up a smarthost |
| 18:24.33 | Eulex | Slippy, newbs don't compile kernels -- or at least it's a really small chance they have |
| 18:24.42 | deckrider | petemc: thanks....I have done that...but still my mail looks like its coming from that local machine and not the smart host |
| 18:24.47 | shingouz | pablum: not hahvahd either. sorry to disappoint you |
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| 18:25.16 | petemc | deckrider: you do that with addres rewriting, debconf doesnt ask about that? |
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| 18:25.35 | deckrider | petemc, oh, how do I set that up? |
| 18:25.39 | dfinn | anyone here using gaim under enlightenment? |
| 18:25.47 | Slippy | Eulex: hehe yea - I know what you meant, it was just the way you put it ;) |
| 18:25.48 | shingouz | dfinn: no |
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| 18:26.04 | freez | hi |
| 18:26.09 | deckrider | petemc: I didn't see the question mark....debconf did ask aboiut it |
| 18:26.09 | petemc | deckrider: you should be able to use /etc/email-addresses |
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| 18:26.30 | deckrider | petemc: hmmm....I tried that too |
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| 18:26.44 | freez | how can i deactivate gdm? ive tried runlevel 2 und 3 but it starts anyway :/ |
| 18:26.57 | shingouz | !tell freez about nodm |
| 18:27.09 | quittt | do you a fucking program that really organize your tabs and find the album by using artist and track name? |
| 18:27.11 | petemc | deckrider: exim -bV , look where the config file is, grep for rewrite in there |
| 18:27.38 | TiTaN_pi8 | mmh for some reason the X server shuts down after executing .xsession? anybody know how to fix that? |
| 18:27.50 | jetx | the log might |
| 18:28.02 | jetx | !seen the_log |
| 18:28.03 | dpkg | jetx: i haven't seen 'the_log' |
| 18:28.23 | freez | ah thx ^^ |
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| 18:28.39 | freez | seems that im not the first one with this question ;) |
| 18:28.51 | deckrider | petemc: I'm re-doing the dpkg-rconfigure exim4-config....should I hide local mailname in outgoing mail? |
| 18:28.56 | shingouz | freez: no you are not. you won't be the last either :) |
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| 18:29.24 | petemc | deckrider: sounds about right, im not very au fait with using debconf to configure exim |
| 18:29.44 | w_emfpilot | Hello.. This is not realted to debain *directly.. I'm wondering if anyone has a good / bad url for spyware / virues / pop-ups etc, just not porn... need to test some wares. |
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| 18:30.07 | pablum | TiTaN_pi8, you are using startx? the last cmd in .xsession shouldn't have an ampersand behind it. |
| 18:30.18 | petemc | w_emfpilot: drudgereport.com |
| 18:30.30 | w_emfpilot | I forgot about that thank you |
| 18:31.01 | Eulex | petemc, eh? that thing opened a popup in firefox! |
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| 18:32.13 | petemc | Eulex: if you look at the context it was given in, you may understand why |
| 18:32.28 | pablum | oops, that's .xinitrc. |
| 18:32.31 | petemc | Eulex: plus, it seems fairly trivial to get firefox to open pop ups |
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| 18:33.46 | Eulex | petemc, heh, yeah |
| 18:34.05 | TiTaN_pi8 | pablum, it doesn't, but i found out the problem: i'm starting feh (a picture viewer, slideshow blahblah) and it wants a fullscreen borderless window but my window manager does not understand mwm hints and so feh takes over from the wm and after feh is finished, i am back in text mode... but i'm download a newer version of my wm with mwm hints support |
| 18:34.08 | jetx | omg LAYER ADS htw do you block layer ads |
| 18:34.23 | jetx | s/htw/htf/ |
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| 18:34.47 | Eulex | TiTaN_pi8, what vm? |
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| 18:35.33 | pablum | takes over? |
| 18:36.12 | jetx | performs a coup |
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| 18:36.50 | TiTaN_pi8 | eulex, fluxbox |
| 18:36.53 | pablum | !rebel against OSI |
| 18:36.59 | Justin | TiTaN_pi8: feh isn't taking over, it your wm is likely just crashing. |
| 18:37.08 | Justin | s/it// |
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| 18:37.15 | TiTaN_pi8 | feh tells me it is taking ove |
| 18:37.35 | pablum | feh |
| 18:37.37 | TiTaN_pi8 | but i think the problem is that feh (.xinitrc) doesn't wait long enough for fluxbox to start |
| 18:38.13 | TiTaN_pi8 | because when i just do startx, and do not have an .xinitrc and i start an xterm and then execute feh, everything works as it should |
| 18:38.15 | pablum | TiTaN_pi8, why do you have such a program in your startup flie? |
| 18:38.40 | TiTaN_pi8 | pablum, i am creating a pictureframe, it is supposed to slideshow at boot |
| 18:38.53 | pablum | o |
| 18:38.55 | TiTaN_pi8 | :) |
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| 18:39.09 | sepski | jetx, you tried adblock or ad-watch |
| 18:39.14 | TiTaN_pi8 | maybe i should look for a plugin or something for fluxbox? |
| 18:39.18 | Ronin | 1 million dollars to whom ever makes this heat and humidty go |
| 18:39.49 | TiTaN_pi8 | think i found it: /.fluxbox/startup |
| 18:39.53 | shingouz | Ronin: move to antarctica |
| 18:39.54 | pablum | Ronin, Poseidon lives in your tap, libate your head and sit in front of a fan. |
| 18:40.05 | jetx | sepski: no, jsut the mozilla stuff |
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| 18:40.20 | Ronin | pablum: thats on the list of things to do as soon as i get home from work |
| 18:40.46 | sepski | jetx, dont think it's posible without an extention, you could firewall or null route the ip ranges of the ad provider tho :) |
| 18:40.48 | pablum | Ronin, (wo)mens room (for water to hair solution) |
| 18:40.56 | pablum | it works... |
| 18:41.09 | Ronin | better view then in the mens too |
| 18:41.13 | jetx | sepski: easier just to boycott the site :) |
| 18:41.14 | pablum | assuming you have hair, of course. |
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| 18:41.19 | gerd | how to install a ttf-file (true type font) under debian? |
| 18:41.48 | sepski | jetx, imagine if we could get _everyone_ to do that. |
| 18:42.17 | PerfDave | If I have a Debian CD and want to put all the pacakges therein onto my hard drive, is the easiest way just to copy all the .debs to /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 18:42.19 | jetx | gerd: there's a howto. i forget. you cp the fonts and tell msttcorefonts where they are (one way)( |
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| 18:42.39 | pablum | gerd, does defoma-font help? |
| 18:42.40 | dave | hello there |
| 18:42.59 | dave | is debian any good? |
| 18:43.05 | Schiz0 | Yes. |
| 18:43.05 | sepski | dave, it's the best |
| 18:43.08 | Schiz0 | Debian is good. |
| 18:43.14 | PerfDave | !why debian |
| 18:43.14 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 18:43.17 | cahoot | jetx: maybe dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig? |
| 18:43.22 | dave | i am a gentoo user. i am getting frustrated with crashed and failed compiles |
| 18:43.30 | Schiz0 | ew, compiling? |
| 18:43.38 | dave | thats what the gentoo guys do. |
| 18:43.38 | Schiz0 | You don't compile on debian, unless you want to. |
| 18:43.39 | pablum | !gentoo |
| 18:43.39 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 18:43.46 | dave | oh good, because i dont want to. |
| 18:43.58 | dave | !gentoobies |
| 18:44.00 | Eulex | !greenhouse |
| 18:44.00 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 18:44.00 | dave | what are those? |
| 18:44.13 | Eulex | commands for the bot dpkg |
| 18:44.24 | dave | what are gentoobies. |
| 18:44.30 | Schiz0 | People who use gentoo :-P |
| 18:44.34 | PerfDave | dave: A gentoobie is a Gentoo user, or more specifically one who thinks that Gentoo is awesome because they can slow their system down by not understanding how compile flags work. |
| 18:44.37 | dave | just gentoo users, or is it somehow derogatory |
| 18:44.47 | dave | PerfDave: i kinda understand. :(. |
| 18:44.48 | ircdevil | anyone know tool to convert svg to pdf? |
| 18:45.14 | dave | i would rather just get binaries. is the debian package system any good? |
| 18:45.14 | PerfDave | ircdevil: At a guess, inkscape? |
| 18:45.21 | Eulex | ircdevil, gimp? imagemagick is kinda bad at it, so don't try that |
| 18:45.32 | dave | how many discs do i need? i installed gentoo as my first linux experience, will i have problems with debian? |
| 18:45.36 | PerfDave | dave: The Debian package system, apt, is very good indeed. The QA of the Debian package repositories, more importantly, is awesome. |
| 18:45.50 | Eulex | !apt |
| 18:45.50 | dpkg | i heard apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
| 18:45.52 | dave | if i have an amd64, should i get the amd64 or x86? |
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| 18:45.56 | PerfDave | dave: You don't need any disks at all. The simplest thing is to use a 110Mb netinstall CD however. |
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| 18:46.02 | shingouz | dave: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:46.04 | Schiz0 | dave- the package system rocks, and you would need a 130 MB ish cd for net install |
| 18:46.05 | Schiz0 | yeah. |
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| 18:46.07 | pablum | dave, the debian packaging system is alone sufficient justification for using debian... it rocks. |
| 18:46.13 | dave | cool. |
| 18:46.30 | PerfDave | dave: If you have amd64, you can get either. However, some things (Flash, OpenOffice) won't work in amd64 and you'll have to faff around with a 32-bit chroot |
| 18:46.30 | dave | ok, the netinstall thing sounds good to me.. but x86 or amd64? |
| 18:46.32 | pablum | dave, amd64. |
| 18:46.45 | Zado | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 18:46.49 | dave | flash, as in, flash applets on websites? |
| 18:46.51 | Schiz0 | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 18:46.59 | pablum | use the mixed system if you need OOo. |
| 18:47.02 | PerfDave | dave: Yes |
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| 18:47.12 | dave | hmmm.. x86 it is, then.. |
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| 18:47.18 | kuribas` | Does anyone know how I can set my locale correctly? I have tried to set LANG="nl" and LANG="nl_BE" but none worked,... |
| 18:47.22 | dave | can i use prelink on debian? |
| 18:47.42 | aigarius | what could be the reason for a kernel process "events/0" taking all CPU processing power? |
| 18:47.43 | PerfDave | Yes, you can |
| 18:47.44 | shingouz | kuribas`: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:47.53 | dave | you guys seem to hate gentoo |
| 18:47.56 | PerfDave | dave: If you want to know more about amd64 Debian, ask #debian-amd64 |
| 18:48.02 | Schiz0 | no, we just like debian. |
| 18:48.03 | pablum | hate? |
| 18:48.11 | shingouz | dave: not hate, just that we like debian better |
| 18:48.15 | dave | well, anti gentoo propaganda in your bot triggers |
| 18:48.16 | dave | lol |
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| 18:48.24 | pablum | hate leads to suffering, or so I'm told. |
| 18:48.26 | PerfDave | dave: Hate? it's just that most of us think it's pretty pointless when we have Debian :) |
| 18:48.32 | dave | hmm, okay. |
| 18:48.33 | shingouz | dave: we have anti-everything triggers on the bots ;) |
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| 18:48.41 | dave | i'm getting the net install disc, then |
| 18:48.48 | marcel_ | any java programmers here? |
| 18:48.55 | quittt | help me |
| 18:49.08 | shingouz | hmmm |
| 18:49.13 | shingouz | !help quittt |
| 18:49.13 | dave | businesscard image? awesome! |
| 18:49.16 | gerd | jetx, defoma-font register ttf lain-LoveLetter.TTF is that right? |
| 18:49.17 | dave | gentoo doesnt have that |
| 18:49.18 | dave | :) |
| 18:49.22 | Schiz0 | Yep. |
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| 18:49.30 | shingouz | dave: you can install debian with a couple of floppies too |
| 18:49.34 | PerfDave | dave: You'll want to read the Debian Installation Manual. Really. |
| 18:49.40 | PerfDave | You can install Debian from a USB key ;) |
| 18:49.43 | quittt | shingouz, hey |
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| 18:49.52 | shingouz | quittt: arrr |
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| 18:50.01 | gerd | msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts <<< ok ^^ |
| 18:50.02 | quittt | shingouz, do you know an app that is capable |
| 18:50.07 | dave | i will read the manual, of course |
| 18:50.13 | p30n | question: how can i set up a box with 2 x 100mbit hooked to a gbit switch so that it will output about 20mb/s when i transfer files from that box to another that has 1 x 1000mbit |
| 18:50.13 | p30n | how can i set up a box with 2 x 100mbit hooked to a gbit switch so that it will output about 20mb/s when i transfer files from that box to another that has 1 x 1000mbit both boxes are debian sarge stable and the hdds is no problem, RAIDed satas´s |
| 18:50.16 | pablum | hmm |
| 18:50.22 | dave | when i installed gentoo i printed their 100 page manual and read it for a week ebforehand |
| 18:50.23 | sepski | dave, you can install debian on pxe boot. it's the nices way of installing hundreds of computers |
| 18:50.38 | kuribas` | shingouz: thanks! |
| 18:50.40 | dave | oh yeah, i thought about that |
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| 18:50.46 | shingouz | kuribas`: np |
| 18:50.54 | dave | i am interested in configuring PXE boot. |
| 18:51.03 | PerfDave | p30n: Surely you want to output 200mb/sec? :) |
| 18:51.04 | dave | but we'll think about that later, wont we |
| 18:51.11 | Zado | I've got a problem with the KDE font installer. Googled around for a fix, and found a few people suggesting "re-emerge kdebase". Didn't know what that meant, so I Googled some more, but couldn't come up with anything. |
| 18:51.15 | sepski | dave, debian have lessdisk a package designed for just that |
| 18:51.21 | dave | so, do i want stable or unstable? |
| 18:51.21 | PerfDave | p30n: you want to read lartc, /msg dpkg lartc |
| 18:51.33 | ma3x | HEEEEEEELP |
| 18:51.35 | PerfDave | dave: If you're a newocmer to Debian, you want Stable |
| 18:51.36 | Ronin | dave: stable or testing unless you really know what your doing |
| 18:51.36 | ma3x | my laptop started producing |
| 18:51.40 | ma3x | prprprpr sound |
| 18:51.43 | FieldySnuts | !irritate ma3x |
| 18:51.44 | dpkg | ma3x: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable thx |
| 18:51.44 | ma3x | like 10 pr's per second |
| 18:51.50 | shingouz | !tell ma3x about enter |
| 18:51.53 | dave | but doesnt stable still use xfree86? |
| 18:51.59 | Schiz0 | PerfDave- I started off on linux on debian testing, it ran perfectly |
| 18:52.00 | FieldySnuts | dave: yes |
| 18:52.00 | ma3x | FieldySnuts how do i stop it |
| 18:52.09 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea, i'm not a laptop tech |
| 18:52.10 | PerfDave | dave: Yes, but it works veryu nicely. |
| 18:52.18 | shingouz | ma3x: i suspect your hd is dying |
| 18:52.21 | Schiz0 | I thought etch ran xorg? |
| 18:52.22 | dave | i don't know if i like that. are all the applications old in that way? |
| 18:52.28 | PerfDave | Schiz0: That's nice for you |
| 18:52.34 | ma3x | shingouz why do u think that? |
| 18:52.36 | Ronin | in stable no, they're maybe a month old |
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| 18:52.43 | pablum | ma3x, stick a toothpick in the fan |
| 18:52.48 | PerfDave | dave: Debian's xfree86 isn't old. It's been constantly updated with backported drivers from xorg until release. |
| 18:52.49 | pablum | :) |
| 18:52.52 | dave | any other differences i should know about? |
| 18:52.54 | shingouz | ma3x: because of the prprprprpr sound the thing makes. duh. |
| 18:53.12 | ma3x | shingouz : its alive the hdd |
| 18:53.25 | dave | ma3x: no, it's perfectly normal for hard drives to prprprpr. |
| 18:53.34 | dave | ma3x: heh. i would back up your data.. |
| 18:53.45 | p30n | PerfDave: ok i will check it out, but i wanna output 20Mb/s and 200mbit/s =) |
| 18:53.51 | ma3x | why do you think it's the harddisk |
| 18:53.57 | dave | because it's going prprprpr |
| 18:53.59 | shingouz | ma3x: do i look like i am a mindreader? how the hell would i be able to diagnose your laptop with the information you provided |
| 18:54.03 | sepski | dave, lots and lots. read the install manual, then read the reference guide. (you dont have to print them out tho, that's a waste of perfectly good trees) |
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| 18:54.11 | pablum | ma3x, obviously because the toothpick trick didn't work |
| 18:54.16 | ma3x | shingouz can you help me diagnoze it then? |
| 18:54.20 | dave | sepski: debian are environmentalists? |
| 18:54.26 | dave | ma3x: jesus christ |
| 18:54.28 | shingouz | ma3x: not if you keep that tinfoil hat on |
| 18:54.31 | sepski | dave, it took me a while to convert from redhat to debian, but everything that was different, was usualy also better or saner |
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| 18:55.12 | sepski | dave, i dont know. we'r all individuals. and im not an enviormentalist, but i do like having air to breath.. jsut call me a selfish bastard |
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| 18:55.49 | Zado | Does anyone know what it means to "re-emerge kdebase"? |
| 18:55.49 | Eulex | hehe |
| 18:55.57 | asg | Zado: #gentoo does |
| 18:56.01 | greycat | probably means "/join #gentoo" |
| 18:56.02 | shingouz | Zado: yes. it means you run gentoo |
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| 18:56.16 | Eulex | Zado, means your following how-tos for gentoo |
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| 18:58.04 | Draconicus | Huh... The camera module fixed itself.. |
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| 18:58.12 | ma3x | fixed that sound |
| 18:58.17 | ma3x | i had to run alsaconf |
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| 18:58.25 | ma3x | it killed 4 processes |
| 18:58.31 | ma3x | and now its okay again |
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| 18:58.40 | ma3x | but what caused that noise? |
| 18:59.13 | Slippy | mmm cake :) |
| 18:59.26 | Ronin | us taking all your mp3s and pr0n |
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| 18:59.31 | Eulex | ma3x, swapping? how much ram do you have and what are you running? |
| 18:59.52 | ma3x | there again the sound |
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| 18:59.56 | ma3x | it happens again now |
| 19:00.09 | ma3x | Eulex : 1 G ram |
| 19:00.13 | ma3x | 1 G swap |
| 19:00.36 | pablum | !backup |
| 19:00.36 | dpkg | methinks backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 19:00.38 | Eulex | ma3x, heh, ok -- does it not sound like normal hd access? |
| 19:00.51 | Eulex | yeah, pablum, I agree -- he should backup |
| 19:00.53 | TiTaN_pi8 | does anyone know as whom commands are executed before anyone has logged in? so if i put scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ as whom are they executed? |
| 19:01.24 | ma3x | Eulex : i found what the thing was |
| 19:01.24 | dave | does ma3x remind anyone of mustafa from austin powers? |
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| 19:01.31 | dave | will ferrel's cahracter |
| 19:01.39 | ma3x | Eulex : now that i closed the firefox window it disappeared |
| 19:01.44 | gerd | cerate a script wich does touch /test and sse who it belongs... @ TiTaN_pi8 |
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| 19:01.53 | TiTaN_pi8 | k |
| 19:01.56 | Eulex | ma3x, hmm |
| 19:02.00 | pablum | ma3x, coincidence? |
| 19:02.06 | ma3x | dave : what's his character like, why do i remind you of mustafa? |
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| 19:02.06 | Vantage__ | what's the non-free debian package needed in order to play mp3s with common kde apps (kaboodle, etc) |
| 19:02.15 | dave | ma3x: almost exactly like you |
| 19:02.19 | ma3x | Eulex : maybe something's up with firefox |
| 19:02.27 | ma3x | dave : explain! |
| 19:03.09 | dave | ma3x: he falls off a cliff and continues to yell about how he's in a lot of pain in a funny accent. there is an awkward moment and noone helps him |
| 19:03.39 | ma3x | Eulex : found the website |
| 19:03.46 | ma3x | should i recomment it to you? |
| 19:04.01 | ma3x | maybe you'll get the sound too |
| 19:04.04 | dave | i see no unstable download |
| 19:04.06 | dave | am i blind? |
| 19:04.22 | Ronin | dave: when something breaks in unstable can you fix it? |
| 19:04.28 | pablum | dave, unstable is sid |
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| 19:04.32 | dave | no, but i can reinstall! |
| 19:04.36 | dave | :d |
| 19:04.47 | dave | reinstall stable, i mean. |
| 19:04.54 | rbochan | reinstall? this ain't winders |
| 19:05.09 | Ronin | reinstall? whats that? |
| 19:05.12 | dave | windows is awesome if only for being able to reinstall in like 20 minutes with no user intervention. |
| 19:05.18 | Ronin | dave: why not split the difference then and pick testing |
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| 19:05.26 | rbochan | dave: hardly |
| 19:05.35 | dave | rbochan: i dont know what you mean |
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| 19:05.55 | ValheruLord | with which parameter can i force apt to install an unauthenticated deb package |
| 19:05.57 | dave | !google fai |
| 19:05.58 | rbochan | it would take a HEL of a lot more for winderse to be considered "awesome" |
| 19:06.03 | lanchow | Results for fai on Google: |
| 19:06.03 | lanchow | http://www.<b>fai</b>.org/aeromodelling/ |
| 19:06.06 | dpkg | Google says fai is at http://www.fai.ie/ or http://www.fai.ie/index.asp or http://www.fai.org/ or http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/ or http://www.fai.org/gliding/ |
| 19:06.07 | lord_rob | dave: debian is awesome for being able to remain three or more years on a box without need of reinstall :) |
| 19:06.10 | dave | lol |
| 19:06.25 | dave | the football association of ireland? |
| 19:06.32 | dave | i like being able to reinstall quickly if i make a big booboo |
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| 19:06.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell dave -about fai |
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| 19:06.36 | dave | which is what i tend to do |
| 19:06.49 | Ronin | dave: or just learn to fix the mistake |
| 19:07.10 | shingouz | dave: minutes to install on a clean drive with FAI. awesome |
| 19:07.13 | dave | learning is boring.. |
| 19:07.22 | ma3x | anybody using firefox 1.0.4 ? |
| 19:07.27 | Ronin | learnign is boring? heh |
| 19:07.31 | dave | haha. just kidding. if the documentation is written comprehensibly, i am fine with learning |
| 19:07.32 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 19:07.32 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:07.34 | rbochan | !anyone use |
| 19:07.34 | shingouz | !tell ma3x about polls |
| 19:07.40 | dave | if its anything like the man page for chmod or bsd's ftp, then no |
| 19:07.54 | dave | chmod df+fg-sR!!! filename |
| 19:08.10 | dondelelcaro | chmod is a fairly simple program. |
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| 19:08.21 | dave | but you would never know that fromlooking at the man page |
| 19:08.23 | ma3x | shingouz can you please open an url and tell me if you get that sound too? |
| 19:08.34 | dondelelcaro | the manpage is fairly comprehensible. If you have a hard time with it, read the info documentation. |
| 19:08.35 | shingouz | ma3x: wtf you talking about? |
| 19:08.41 | hex_ffff | why won't cron.daily run files with . in them? |
| 19:08.55 | ma3x | shingouz : my grrrrr sound - i get it from news webpage |
| 19:08.57 | dave | shingouz: he thinks the web page make a sound |
| 19:08.57 | randomity | dave: If you subtract chmod()'s manpage from chmod's manpage, you end up with very little |
| 19:09.08 | dondelelcaro | hex_ffff: man run-parts |
| 19:09.15 | dave | randomity: is that some elite linux joke that i don't understand? |
| 19:09.16 | pablum | hex_ffff, maybe it thinks you are sourcing stdin? |
| 19:09.30 | hex_ffff | okay I'll look |
| 19:09.31 | pablum | nope |
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| 19:09.38 | shingouz | ma3x: i do not run firefox. i do not have sound on this computer and i am most certainly not going to surf over to some url that i do not care about |
| 19:09.45 | shingouz | rbochan: thanks, man |
| 19:09.51 | dave | ma3x: give me the damn url |
| 19:09.52 | rbochan | de nada |
| 19:10.01 | randomity | dave: the chmod command is a frontend to the chmod() C system call. The chmod command does little more than parse options |
| 19:10.10 | dave | oh really! |
| 19:10.15 | dave | well thats very interesting. |
| 19:10.20 | ma3x | dave : http://www.idividi.com.mk/zabava/Zanimlivosti/317898/index.html |
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| 19:11.00 | Zado | I installed Gentoo, but for emerge "command not found." Emerge doesn't seem to be a Debian package either |
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| 19:11.16 | shingouz | Zado: do you run gentoo now? |
| 19:11.17 | dave | you know, i think you're in the wrong channel. |
| 19:11.25 | greycat | Zado: of course it's not a Debian command. |
| 19:11.27 | dave | emerge kinda.. comes with gentoo. it's hard to miss.. |
| 19:11.33 | Ronin | Zado: you do know your in a debian channel right? |
| 19:11.38 | randomity | Zado: emerge might only be available as root |
| 19:11.50 | dave | randomity is correct |
| 19:11.55 | shingouz | randomity: this is debian, not gentoo |
| 19:11.55 | dondelelcaro | Zado: /part #debian; /join #gentoo |
| 19:11.59 | ma3x | dave : did you get the sound mate? |
| 19:12.06 | dave | ma3x: < randomity> dave: the chmod command is a frontend to the chmod() C system call. The chmod command does little more |
| 19:12.08 | greycat | randomity: silly me thinking someone who's going to use gentoo would understand such horrendously advanced concepts as $PATH. |
| 19:12.09 | dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.12 | dave | 11:10 < dave> oh really! |
| 19:12.14 | dave | 11:10 < dave> well thats very interesting. |
| 19:12.15 | dave | woops. i keep accidentally clicking. |
| 19:12.25 | greycat | dave: apt-get install manpages-dev; man 1 chmod; man 2 chmod |
| 19:12.27 | ryan- | how does one downgrade a package? |
| 19:13.12 | greycat | ryan-: man dpkg |
| 19:13.12 | dondelelcaro | ryan-: man apt-get; read about '=' |
| 19:13.12 | dave | greycat: i have no idea what that means |
| 19:13.12 | greycat | ryan-: and man wget |
| 19:13.12 | ma3x | dave : are you studying chmod? |
| 19:13.12 | dave | ma3x: no |
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| 19:13.12 | gerd | i installed msttcorefonts - how do i add my ttf-font now? |
| 19:13.12 | dave | i am just complaining because the man page makes it impossible to understand |
| 19:13.12 | ma3x | dave: not studying chmod, or no sound? |
| 19:13.16 | randomity | shingouz: Since i'm now on Windows 98 (yes!) i thought I had commited a cardinal sin anyway. Talking about Gentoo does'nt really seem to matter anymore |
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| 19:15.55 | pablum | *sniff* |
| 19:15.55 | shingouz | randomity: w98? heretic! traitor! mutiny! |
| 19:15.55 | dave | why in th ehell would you ask me two questions in a row? |
| 19:15.55 | ma3x | can i install firefox 1.0.5-6 on Sarge? |
| 19:15.55 | ma3x | will that be a problem to sarge? |
| 19:15.55 | dave | no, no sound, and no chmod |
| 19:15.55 | randomity | shingouz: The damn modem doesn't work under linux |
| 19:15.55 | dave | i dont know, ask him |
| 19:15.55 | gerd | ma3x, why not? |
| 19:15.56 | sepski | ma3x, ofcourse, a better question would perhaps be if it was packaged for sarge. |
| 19:15.56 | shingouz | randomity: and what is this mythical modem? |
| 19:15.56 | ryan- | I used the dotdeb package reposiroty when i was using woody, and I just upgraded to sarge, and I want to use the sarge packages rather then the dotdeb ones. |
| 19:15.56 | dave | does CNN remind anyone else of wind-up toys? |
| 19:15.56 | ma3x | sepski : its not packaged for sarge |
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| 19:15.56 | Scognito | hi |
| 19:15.56 | ma3x | so can i install unstable firefox1.0.5 on sarge? |
| 19:15.56 | Scognito | what is the fast way to install nvidia driver for my gefoce4 ? |
| 19:15.56 | dave | i run no programs on my computer. i run everything over SSH!! i am amazing. |
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| 19:15.57 | Maliuta | ryan: so remove the dotdeb line from your apt sources.list |
| 19:15.57 | ma3x | Scognito configure your X server |
| 19:15.57 | sepski | ma3x, do a backport, or install from sources |
| 19:15.57 | dave | in fact, i am going to run BOTH my machines diskless. yes, BOTH. |
| 19:15.57 | Scognito | ma3x, i'0m using xorg |
| 19:15.57 | sepski | !tell ma3x about simple sid backport |
| 19:15.57 | dave | is there a project for this? |
| 19:15.57 | sepski | dave, lessdisk it's packaged in debian |
| 19:15.59 | dave | what is lessdisk |
| 19:16.11 | sepski | dave, a project for running diskless machines |
| 19:16.21 | dave | interesting |
| 19:16.23 | Scognito | installing mms://wms5.theonenetwork.com/ton/music/300k/sred1300.asf |
| 19:16.24 | Scognito | ops |
| 19:16.24 | ma3x | hehehe |
| 19:16.26 | randomity | shingouz: PCtel winmodem |
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| 19:16.31 | Scognito | nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 19:16.32 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 19:16.33 | dave | i shall network boot a machine, then network boot another one off of it |
| 19:16.36 | dave | is that possible? |
| 19:16.44 | shingouz | randomity: poor you |
| 19:16.51 | shingouz | @comfort randomity |
| 19:16.51 | ravenbird | There, there, randomity. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:16.51 | sepski | dave, ofcouse, but why not just network boot both from the same source |
| 19:17.01 | dave | sepski: because i dont know how to do that |
| 19:17.05 | randomity | shingouz: Awww. Thanks |
| 19:17.08 | ribnitz | got a sparky problem. Any kernel other than the 2.4.18 (kernel-image) fails to install on a sparc64 (ss10)? |
| 19:17.15 | dave | sepski: i have 2 computers and know nothing of this |
| 19:17.21 | sepski | dave, that's whay you use the lessdisk package !! |
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| 19:17.28 | pablum | randomity, serial (external) modems are pretty cheap... |
| 19:17.30 | dave | sounds intriguing |
| 19:17.33 | dave | !google lessdisk |
| 19:17.37 | sepski | dave, and why you read docs |
| 19:17.39 | lanchow | Results for lessdisk on Google: |
| 19:17.39 | lanchow | http://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/2005/04/msg00545.html |
| 19:17.40 | dpkg | Google says lessdisk is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/2005/04/msg00545.html or http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/lessdisks/2005-May/000606.html or http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/commits/2003-February/000070.html or http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/lessdisks/2005-May/000607.html or http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/lessdisks-commits/2004-October/000674.html |
| 19:17.42 | dave | i dont want to read docs |
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| 19:17.50 | Slippy | christ my internet sucks the evening |
| 19:17.55 | Slippy | this* |
| 19:17.56 | sepski | dave, then we dont want to help you more either |
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| 19:17.59 | dave | mine sucks the evening too |
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| 19:18.18 | dave | i dont see any lessdiskon google |
| 19:18.18 | randomity | pablum: yep, but since I don't use this computer unless I really have to, its not really worth it. (PS: this computer is P3 450Mhz) |
| 19:18.22 | dave | do you happen to know the site for it |
| 19:18.25 | Eulex | dave, why? man and google are your friends |
| 19:18.30 | sepski | dave lessdisk is a package in debian |
| 19:18.48 | dave | ok, where is the documentation? |
| 19:18.49 | Ford-Prefect | ok, I'm back with an apt-get question... can I have dual packages installed of something? some programs depends on libaspell15 but it's been replaced with libaspell15c but the programs depending on libaspell15 refuses to see it as a good replacement |
| 19:18.51 | sepski | dave, and we'r not paied to babyfeed you anyway, install package read the docs it hav |
| 19:19.06 | dave | i'm not going to install the package before i know what it is. because, i'm not even on linux |
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| 19:19.09 | dave | i am running windows |
| 19:19.12 | greycat | !tell Ford-Prefect about unstable |
| 19:19.14 | dave | so i can't really install it, can i |
| 19:19.26 | poppyg | dave i am running linux |
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| 19:19.30 | theb0y | when I reboot my box.. i see: INIT: sending... how to hide these INIT messages? these are very annoying... and also.. system going doing messages... how to hide these, don't ask why, help me how to hide them, thank you.. ;-) |
| 19:19.32 | dave | poppyg: AMAZING |
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| 19:19.53 | poppyg | dave are you a girl or boy? |
| 19:19.55 | ribnitz | dave: you could run a live-cd.. |
| 19:19.58 | greycat | Someone give me one good reason *not* to +q dave. |
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| 19:20.07 | Eulex | dave, read the description of the package then before installing -- when you have debian |
| 19:20.08 | pablum | hehhe |
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| 19:20.09 | sepski | theb0y, why you want to hide that ? |
| 19:20.11 | dave | you dont have to baby anything. just tell me either what the program does, or where the documentation is. |
| 19:20.14 | Slippy | heh someone ctcp version me ;o) |
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| 19:20.31 | randomity | theb0y: what's wrong with INIT? |
| 19:20.39 | Eulex | dave, browse debian.org |
| 19:20.44 | dave | ok. |
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| 19:20.49 | pablum | bow to the first process |
| 19:21.01 | poppyg | why is noone talking to me |
| 19:21.02 | sepski | theb0y, /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 19:21.08 | ribnitz | I got a problem (on sparc64/sid). Any kernel other than 2.4.18 gives errors (usually unable ot omunt root fs ..) |
| 19:21.27 | dave | Your search - lessdisk - did not match any documents. |
| 19:21.40 | sepski | poppyg, you havent asked a question that needed answering |
| 19:21.47 | Eulex | -Slippy- VERSION mIRC 5.91 Windows 3.11 |
| 19:22.02 | poppyg | yes i did sepski |
| 19:22.17 | pablum | apt-cache search lessdisk | wc -l ==> 11 |
| 19:22.20 | Slippy | :) |
| 19:22.23 | aragorn_root | !dpkg debian vs gentoo |
| 19:22.28 | Rawplayer | how can i see the refresh time of dns servers? |
| 19:22.33 | poppyg | sepski are you a girl or boy |
| 19:22.34 | greycat | Rawplayer: dig |
| 19:22.38 | Schiz0 | !debian vs gentoo |
| 19:22.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 19:22.40 | sepski | poppyg, not on my lastlog you havent, |
| 19:22.44 | Rawplayer | just dig is enough right |
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| 19:22.49 | Schiz0 | hm, whats the thing for that? |
| 19:22.51 | Rawplayer | xs4all.nl. 47892 IN NS ns.xs4all.nl |
| 19:22.55 | pablum | cue Jaws music |
| 19:22.56 | sepski | poppyg, that't not a relevant debian question. |
| 19:22.58 | Rawplayer | 47892 is the refresh time right? |
| 19:23.01 | pablum | too late |
| 19:23.09 | greycat | Rawplayer: remaining TTL in seconds |
| 19:23.10 | sepski | poppyg, your on a debian support channel, not on a chat room |
| 19:23.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 19:23.24 | theb0y | no bootsplash |
| 19:23.32 | theb0y | how to hide the INIT messages sigh :s |
| 19:23.42 | greycat | theb0y: close your eyes. |
| 19:23.49 | FieldySnuts | they won't hurt you. geez. OMG NO IT'S TEXT |
| 19:24.07 | sepski | theb0y, hmm turn off your monitor ? |
| 19:24.17 | randomity | theb0y: are you talking about the messages that come up in KDE? |
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| 19:24.26 | dave | who was telling me about lessdisk |
| 19:24.34 | sepski | dave, he left. |
| 19:24.35 | dave | is it lessdisks? did you typo? or is that a different package? |
| 19:24.37 | dave | damn.. |
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| 19:24.55 | sepski | dave, /msg dpkg find lessdisk |
| 19:24.55 | greycat | and yeah, searching for lessdisk would NEVER find lessdisks. |
| 19:25.08 | dave | greycat: it didnt |
| 19:25.10 | dave | Your search - lessdisk - did not match any documents. |
| 19:25.13 | dave | nice try though |
| 19:25.13 | greycat | idiot. |
| 19:25.27 | dave | i'm an idiot because your package archiving system is ridiculous |
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| 19:25.32 | greycat | Search package directories |
| 19:25.32 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.37 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.43 | greycat | Idiot. |
| 19:25.49 | dave | i would think that the big "Search" button would search the sebsite |
| 19:25.49 | sepski | dave, i fond 7 packages with my search line /msg dpkg find lessdisk |
| 19:25.52 | dave | my mistake |
| 19:25.54 | FieldySnuts | In this clip of bash, I have $FORMAT already set. $FORMAT is being pulled in, but sed doesn't change it at all. any ideas? j=$(echo $i | sed -e 's/\.$FORMAT//') |
| 19:26.04 | Ronin | ahh another day another troll i see |
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| 19:26.35 | FieldySnuts | well. $i is set too. |
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| 19:26.45 | AlexBO | hello!I wanna use VMware to install windows 2k on my ubuntu (i hate it, but i need it for an old printer that is not supported).I put into the win 2k cd: when it makes the boot, it doesn't find any bootable cd and it trays to boot with the net.so i tried to put into a live cd of linux, and it works! how can it be? how can i make to install win 2k with vmware on linux? |
| 19:26.50 | binaryc | i am looking for a cheap solution to creating a backup for around 100 gigs of files, i was thinking about a raid between a few 20 gig drives i can pickup on ebay under debian, would this be a good solution ? |
| 19:26.52 | pablum | FieldySnuts, escape the $? |
| 19:26.54 | Unified | hi, does anyone here has a asus a6va notebook? |
| 19:26.55 | greycat | AlexBO: wrong channel. |
| 19:26.55 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 19:26.55 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:27.06 | FieldySnuts | AlexBO: talk to vmware or #ubuntu then, wholly offtopic here |
| 19:27.14 | randomity | FieldySnuts: change the ' to " |
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| 19:27.26 | Unified | or could say something in common for linux compatibility for asus and/or fsc notebooks? |
| 19:27.29 | FieldySnuts | i doubt that but i'll try. don't do this shit often. |
| 19:27.41 | randomity | FieldySnuts: and escape the backslashes with another backslash |
| 19:27.49 | sepski | binaryc, depends on your needs. i like to have daily backus ad removeable media, so you can get historical data, and have more then 1 leg to stand on |
| 19:28.01 | randomity | sed -e "s/\\.$FORMAT//' |
| 19:28.02 | pablum | randomity, has it, I think (' escapes everything, " does not) |
| 19:28.11 | randomity | woops |
| 19:28.11 | pablum | er |
| 19:28.20 | randomity | the last quote should have been " |
| 19:28.35 | greycat | '' prevents substitutions |
| 19:28.39 | binaryc | sepski- removable would be nice, but even i i buy a dual layer dvd burner that is 10-12 dvds per backup |
| 19:28.39 | sepski | binaryc, i'd use a usb connected HD rack with removeable harddrives, that way you can hotswap drives and have as many drives as you'd need eg 7 drives for 1/day, and 12 drives for 1/month |
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| 19:28.47 | FieldySnuts | however, using " , it works. |
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| 19:28.54 | sepski | binaryc, i never do backups on opticals that's to fragile |
| 19:28.56 | FieldySnuts | thanks for the suggestions |
| 19:28.58 | randomity | greycat: No, " allows substitutions. That's the point |
| 19:29.04 | sepski | binaryc, tape's or hd's in rack |
| 19:29.14 | greycat | substitutions are performed if you *don't* have '' around them. |
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| 19:29.28 | greycat | "" prevents word splitting but still permits substitutions |
| 19:29.29 | sepski | binaryc, i prefer hd's in rack |
| 19:29.32 | randomity | greycat: No again. |
| 19:29.33 | pablum | " permits some substitutions |
| 19:29.55 | randomity | greycat: " prevents all subs except those using a $. |
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| 19:30.12 | randomity | greycat: " prevents word splitting, wildcards, etc |
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| 19:30.22 | FieldySnuts | well here. replacing ' with " worked. the end. my point is, thanks. |
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| 19:30.30 | greycat | randomity: there are very few substitutions that do not use a $. There's... uh.... process substitution <(command). And ... any others? |
| 19:30.36 | AlexBO | FieldySnuts: greycat: anybody answer to me in that channel! |
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| 19:30.42 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 19:30.42 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:30.42 | FieldySnuts | !they don't know |
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| 19:31.07 | randomity | wildcards *? I/O > < n>&, etc |
| 19:31.14 | greycat | randomity: those are not substitutions |
| 19:31.30 | ma3x | backport - can i install only firefox1.0.5 without converting to sid? |
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| 19:31.33 | randomity | Brace expansion |
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| 19:32.14 | shingouz | ma3x: i do not know. what i do know is that you do not want to go Sid at all |
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| 19:32.31 | ma3x | shingouz : that's right i want to stay stable |
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| 19:32.52 | greycat | if you find a sarge backport of it, then yes. |
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| 19:32.59 | aragorn_root | any1 having sarge cds from india?? |
| 19:33.04 | sepski | ma3x, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:33.17 | ma3x | greycat when i change the sources to sid, and then when i do apt-get update |
| 19:33.21 | theb0y | please, anyone can tell me how to hide the INIT messages, and other crap when rebooting? its like the kernel or some other program is telling me stuff in console.. i have *.* /dev/null set in syslogd config file, but it doesnt help me, anyone knows a better way? i don't need bootsplash, and please no newbie answers, thank in advance... |
| 19:33.23 | ma3x | will that not update all packages? |
| 19:33.37 | ma3x | and then once i do apt-get upgrade, i will be Lord Sith :( |
| 19:33.39 | greycat | ma3x: you can change *** deb-src *** to sid. NOT deb. |
| 19:33.41 | sepski | ma3x, if you want to be so insane to add sid sources, you must look into pinning. |
| 19:33.54 | greycat | DO NOT add sid package sources. Just deb-src lines. |
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| 19:34.05 | sepski | theb0y, use bootsplash, /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 19:34.17 | ma3x | but is that not crazy |
| 19:34.28 | ma3x | after that every package i'll search, it will give me the unstable version |
| 19:34.35 | greycat | deb-src, not deb. |
| 19:34.36 | ma3x | is that right? |
| 19:34.39 | greycat | repeat it until you understand. |
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| 19:34.51 | Azar | what are the zlib patched versions today? anyone would know? |
| 19:34.58 | K_Dallas | hi guys! anyone heard of debianpure project? it is my understanding that the only thing it does is to east the installation of a desktop and a few plugins here or there and that it remains 100% debian compatible? |
| 19:34.59 | ma3x | okay, deb is for the packages? |
| 19:34.59 | greycat | Azar: /msg dpkg security |
| 19:35.02 | sepski | theb0y, there is no other way afaik. |
| 19:35.07 | Azar | thanks greycat |
| 19:35.26 | sepski | theb0y, or you could patch the kernel to put the monitor to sleep when it boots and awakenn it when finished... |
| 19:35.40 | ma3x | greycat can you explain me please? |
| 19:35.49 | ma3x | what exactly happens if i change deb to sid |
| 19:35.52 | greycat | ma3x: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:35.55 | ma3x | and what if i change src to sid |
| 19:35.57 | greycat | ma3x: man sources.list |
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| 19:36.00 | greycat | man apt-get, etc., etc. |
| 19:36.01 | Azar | oh I just upgraded greycat, I was wondering if I got the latest versions for zlib |
| 19:36.15 | greycat | Azar: /usr/share/doc/zlib1g |
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| 19:37.00 | w_emfpilot | greycat how do you know so much? you eat this stuff for breakfast er what!? |
| 19:37.02 | sepski | ma3x, deb-src you get access to sid package's sources, allowing you to compile it into a new package for stable, with deb, you get the binary compiled packages, (upgrading to sid with no way back) |
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| 19:37.31 | simonrvn | w_emfpilot: yeh, with toast and eggs, with a tall mug of coffee |
| 19:37.40 | Downix | anyone know of someone that needs token ring equipment? |
| 19:37.41 | pablum | randomity, you don't have to escape a backslash inside double quotes when it doesn't precede a "special character", methinks. |
| 19:37.49 | w_emfpilot | i guess.... |
| 19:37.53 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 19:38.01 | simonrvn | w_emfpilot: i was being sarcastic |
| 19:38.12 | shingouz | Downix: where and what? |
| 19:38.14 | randomity | pablum: but backslash is a special character. Therfore \ must become \\ |
| 19:38.16 | greycat | pablum: there was already \. inside single quotes, and it order to preserve that when the quotes were transformed into double quotes, you have to use \\. |
| 19:38.18 | simonrvn | Downix: needs token ring? hehehe |
| 19:38.27 | w_emfpilot | impressive nonetheless |
| 19:38.29 | w_emfpilot | i know.. |
| 19:38.30 | pablum | randomity, only when it precedes a special character. |
| 19:38.32 | davem | token ring rocks, super low latency |
| 19:38.36 | simonrvn | you can find that shit at garage sales ffs |
| 19:38.37 | shingouz | simonrvn: shut up :) |
| 19:38.44 | Downix | shingouz: Florida, and a 16-port IBM switch along with twice that number of interface cards (ISA and PCI) |
| 19:38.46 | ma3x | sepski: if i now update the deb src to sid, can i try later to update it back to stable? |
| 19:39.02 | sepski | Downix, perhas a local computer museum ? |
| 19:39.11 | pablum | green_earz, \ won't be removed from "\." because . is not a special character (at least, that's what I get from 3.1.2.3) |
| 19:39.12 | randomity | pablum: sed wanted a literal '\'. To convice bash to pass it to sed, you must use \\ so bash escapes the backslash |
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| 19:39.32 | shingouz | Downix: i think you could try the newsgroup comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware, iirc a few of them live in FL |
| 19:39.34 | randomity | pablum: Try echo "\\" and see what happens |
| 19:39.35 | pablum | I quote: |
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| 19:39.42 | Downix | I've put the switch on ebay for now |
| 19:39.50 | Downix | just realized I didn't ask anyone here first |
| 19:40.06 | sepski | ma3x, deb-src is only used when downloading sources. you'v net used it up untill now and are mostly unneeded |
| 19:40.07 | greycat | pablum: that may be correct, but \\. is safer and easier to understand. |
| 19:40.11 | pablum | randomity, try echo "\." |
| 19:40.13 | shingouz | Downix: i know there are a couple in GA who would be interested, not sure about FL though |
| 19:40.16 | Downix | but, ps/2 won't help, none of it is MCA |
| 19:40.19 | greycat | pablum: and doesn't rely on POSIX quirkiness. |
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| 19:40.34 | randomity | pablum: doesn't that give '.'? |
| 19:40.34 | pablum | ahem: |
| 19:40.43 | Downix | I actually used to use token ring ages ago, more reliable than ethernet |
| 19:40.43 | shingouz | Downix: i know but it is Token and that is enough in this case |
| 19:40.48 | Downix | true |
| 19:40.49 | Downix | ok |
| 19:40.52 | sepski | ma3x, so yes you can set it back afterwards |
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| 19:41.04 | ma3x | sepski if i change src to sid and update, will that fetch information about all packages? |
| 19:41.10 | ribnitz | Downix: bi9g bank or insuranmce company? - or ibm? :) |
| 19:41.12 | pablum | The backslash retains its special meaning only when follwed by one fo the following charaters: '$', '`', '"', '\', or newline |
| 19:41.18 | ma3x | like if it fetches the src updates for sid |
| 19:41.23 | shingouz | Downix: i'd take the stuff off you but i am a bit too far away... |
| 19:41.25 | pablum | randomity, no it doesn't |
| 19:41.25 | Downix | rib: I got it from a local college, actually |
| 19:41.33 | Downix | Shingouz: Whereabouts are you? |
| 19:41.38 | shingouz | .fi |
| 19:41.41 | ma3x | then if i put the stable line back, it should fetch all the information for the stable packages |
| 19:41.42 | greycat | pablum: randomity: the point being that \\. works and so does \. |
| 19:41.46 | Downix | yeah, a little distant |
| 19:41.48 | ma3x | will that succeed? |
| 19:41.51 | FieldySnuts | !mhb |
| 19:41.56 | Downix | plus imagine the import taxes |
| 19:41.56 | sepski | ma3x, should |
| 19:42.01 | ma3x | ok then |
| 19:42.02 | ribnitz | Downix: technology is not bad, but bight be a bit slow by current standards.. |
| 19:42.12 | shingouz | Downix: and the finnish postal "service" |
| 19:42.19 | sepski | ma3x, make sure you dont mess with the deb line |
| 19:42.29 | shingouz | ribnitz: faster than 10M ether |
| 19:42.42 | ribnitz | shingouz: yes. |
| 19:42.43 | Downix | ribnitz: More guaranteed bandwidth |
| 19:42.49 | ma3x | sepski : don't give me heart-attack |
| 19:42.51 | pablum | greycat, I suggest it is extra overhead and a maintenance hassle. :) |
| 19:42.57 | randomity | Where do I find the list of dpkg commands? |
| 19:43.03 | randomity | I mean the bot |
| 19:43.03 | ribnitz | Downix: more latency. |
| 19:43.03 | greycat | randomity: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:43.06 | Downix | also have a box of 10/100 ethernet cards, NetGear's |
| 19:43.13 | ribnitz | randomity: man dpkg |
| 19:43.25 | greycat | Downix: go ahead, try to find linux drivers for token ring cards. I dare you. |
| 19:43.25 | Downix | pity I'm not running a beowolf cluster anymore |
| 19:43.29 | ma3x | my point was: is the apt-cache clearable (restartable) |
| 19:43.30 | ma3x | ? |
| 19:43.39 | randomity | greycat:thanks ribnitz: I meant the bot |
| 19:43.41 | ribnitz | greycat: they do exist.. :) |
| 19:43.46 | Downix | greycat: I used to use one, actually |
| 19:43.48 | greycat | ma3x: it reads the lists from /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 19:43.49 | shingouz | Downix: non-3com and in FL ;) |
| 19:43.52 | Downix | on my SLackware 3.0 |
| 19:44.12 | greycat | ribnitz: not for all cards. Not for the one I had in my PC on my desk at a certain place once upon a time. |
| 19:44.17 | ma3x | greycat so i can delete it then |
| 19:44.19 | ma3x | and update it |
| 19:44.32 | greycat | I ended up *buying my own ethernet card and switch and cables* and hijacking a coworker's ethernet connection |
| 19:44.42 | ribnitz | greycat: noot for the card you get at walmart at 4.99 a dozen, certainly. |
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| 19:45.00 | greycat | ma3x: man pages. read them. |
| 19:46.23 | Downix | it's funny to see how much stuff there is in here |
| 19:46.24 | ribnitz | greycat: Those damn cards are so expensive, I"d dare ibm to provide linux drivers for them.. :) |
| 19:46.33 | Downix | are there drivers for the turtle beach vortex? |
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| 19:46.56 | ribnitz | Downix: saw some turtle beach.. |
| 19:47.04 | Downix | got several of those too |
| 19:47.21 | OldakQuill | How can I find out a particular station's LAN IP address, if it is running Debian? |
| 19:47.52 | shingouz | OldakQuill: ifconfig |
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| 19:48.39 | w_emfpilot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.40 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.53 | greycat | wwallace: man cfdisk, man mkfs, man fstab, man mount |
| 19:49.11 | greycat | ideally, do it in single user mode |
| 19:49.24 | drac | Hey, I have S3 Trio 64V+ and S3 Virge (Stealth 3D 2000) cards here, and I need to plug one into P3 450MHz for X.. wich one should I plug in ? |
| 19:49.33 | drac | Old PCI cards. |
| 19:49.52 | pablum | ot: ever hear of a powersupply or strip that has 2 independent inlets and will switch between them? |
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| 19:50.11 | Mr-R | drac: the one with the most video ram? :) |
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| 19:50.22 | wwallace | greycat: i already have the drive mounted set up everything i just need it to be my new home |
| 19:50.27 | OldakQuill | But I should be able to find out using Debian |
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| 19:50.34 | greycat | wwallace: man cp |
| 19:50.43 | greycat | wwallace: man mv, man umount, man mount |
| 19:50.57 | drac | Mr-R: Wish I knew the memory they have, google wasn't too friendly about that either since they both seem to appear with 1, 2 or 4 MB. I guess i'll just try :\ |
| 19:51.05 | Downix | of course if the token rings seem old, I'm also selling a TRS-80 model III |
| 19:51.11 | wwallace | thas not what i need or u dont wanna understand or u wanna be a wiseguy |
| 19:51.20 | wwallace | or u dont wanna help |
| 19:51.22 | ribnitz | wwallace: you might also look at lvm, or similar |
| 19:51.23 | Eulex | !u |
| 19:51.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:51.30 | Mr-R | drac: afaik the stealth 3d has 1 mb. but the bios-message of each card should show it... |
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| 19:51.35 | ma3x | after i update my firefox, can i rm those lists debian_dists_sid_main_source_Release and debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources? |
| 19:51.57 | ValheruLord | do i have to install again after changing menu.lst? |
| 19:51.59 | rochefort_10 | hello, sid upgrade wants to remove gaim, but I din't find any remarks on this on bugs.debian.org |
| 19:52.01 | pablum | drac, you can read thememory chips and google those, then use bc to add em up |
| 19:52.06 | ValheruLord | i mean grub sorrry |
| 19:52.35 | pablum | ValheruLord, no |
| 19:52.37 | rochefort_10 | is gaim installable afterwards or do i have to wait some days |
| 19:52.38 | resiak | !topicsmite rochefort_10 |
| 19:52.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rochefort_10. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 19:52.53 | Eulex | ma3x, are *you* running sid? |
| 19:52.57 | resiak | rochefort_10: Read the debian-devel-announce archives. You should be subscribed. |
| 19:53.11 | ma3x | Eulex nope :) |
| 19:54.00 | ma3x | Eulex : does that mean i can remove those lists? |
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| 19:57.09 | greycat | ma3x: apt-get will remove them. |
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| 19:58.04 | ma3x | greycat: after i change the /etc/apt/sources.list to stable? |
| 19:58.12 | ma3x | it will automatically do that? |
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| 19:59.06 | ma3x | damn i was so hungry 1 hour ago |
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| 19:59.17 | Slippy | so was I...then I ate |
| 19:59.22 | greycat | ma3x: apt-get update. |
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| 19:59.29 | ma3x | i left half a kilo meat in the kitchen |
| 19:59.46 | ma3x | and the neighbour opened his shelf and hidd my meat |
| 19:59.53 | greycat | and of course the stupid man page doesn't bother telling you this. or at least not in the obvious spot. |
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| 19:59.57 | ma3x | so i was looking for it almost for an hour |
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| 20:00.15 | Zmanu | hi |
| 20:00.17 | ma3x | just like my neighbour |
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| 20:00.37 | ma3x | btw, not the one who upgraded my box to sid |
| 20:00.39 | Zmanu | I want to install debian with wpeakup, but at boot, I don't find it, is there someont to help me ?? |
| 20:00.44 | ma3x | that one's another history |
| 20:01.06 | ma3x | Slippy what did you develop? |
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| 20:01.23 | ma3x | file browser? |
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| 20:01.27 | greycat | "a seething hatred of ____"? |
| 20:01.58 | Slippy | ma3x: nah.. just working on ob |
| 20:02.03 | ma3x | when i read sid, i understand Lord Sith - evil |
| 20:02.18 | ma3x | Slippy : some screenshots? |
| 20:02.46 | ma3x | hey how old is Sarge? |
| 20:03.28 | greycat | !sarge |
| 20:03.28 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:03.30 | ma3x | till when was woody in fashion? |
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| 20:03.48 | Slippy | ma3x: there's really nothing fancy new - except some pretty round corners 'n' stuff ;o) |
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| 20:04.18 | ma3x | Eulex : you know python? |
| 20:04.37 | Eulex | ma3x, no :P |
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| 20:07.05 | crafteh | what package should i apt-get to get yacc command? |
| 20:07.08 | sean_micken|work | are orphaned packages the packages taht no longer have a maintainer? |
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| 20:07.16 | peterS | sean_micken|work: yep |
| 20:07.29 | sean_micken|work | peterS: and the one's that are said to be up for adoption are looking for maintainers? |
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| 20:07.36 | Downix | oh wow, found a token ring PCMCIA card |
| 20:07.41 | Eulex | crafteh, yacc??? ain't that from -- *shudder* -- Suse? |
| 20:07.42 | quiet | new install, i installed sudo, but it didn't create a wheel group in /etc/group... what's the command to add a group again? |
| 20:07.47 | peterS | sean_micken|work: yeah. current maintainer is still maintaining it but would rather not |
| 20:08.05 | greycat | quiet: "wheel" is traditionally GID 0 in BSD. |
| 20:08.09 | crafteh | i don't know... i'm trying to compile cvsgraph and its failing... saying it can't find yacc |
| 20:08.12 | greycat | GID 0 is "root" in Debian. |
| 20:08.23 | quiet | greycat, so make the user a member of root? |
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| 20:08.30 | peterS | crafteh: you probably want either bison or byacc then |
| 20:08.31 | terrex | and elsewhere |
| 20:08.32 | greycat | quiet: dunno what your objective is. |
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| 20:08.41 | quiet | to use 'sudo' for root commands |
| 20:08.52 | greycat | quiet: and this has... what to do with groups? |
| 20:08.57 | crafteh | peterS: will either do? |
| 20:09.01 | Eulex | crafteh, oh, sorry, it's not -- suse or something like that has something similar among the admin commands |
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| 20:09.07 | bnoji_ | bnoji@bletchley:~$ su testuser |
| 20:09.09 | bnoji_ | Unknown id: testuser |
| 20:09.10 | peterS | crafteh: bison is what most people use, but byacc is more compatible with certain software |
| 20:09.13 | quiet | allowing users in wheel group to run sudo commands? |
| 20:09.26 | bnoji_ | ^ Is this a problem with pam or nsswitch? |
| 20:09.31 | crafteh | ok |
| 20:09.31 | greycat | well in that case, yes, you should add a group named 'wheel'. :) |
| 20:09.40 | Slippy | quiet: Just add your user to the etc/sudoers file |
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| 20:09.47 | greycat | or if you want users in the sdhfkjs group to run sudo commands, you should add a sdhfkjs group |
| 20:09.47 | quiet | that's what I was asking how to do |
| 20:10.00 | greycat | if you can't figure out how to edit /etc/group maybe you shouldn't be using sudo. |
| 20:10.11 | drac | Slippy: You might want to add in that comment "..with visudo" |
| 20:10.12 | Slippy | quiet: as root you run visudo |
| 20:10.20 | drac | Slippy: nevermind :) |
| 20:10.22 | quiet | k |
| 20:10.24 | Slippy | drac: ;o) |
| 20:10.25 | quiet | thx |
| 20:10.42 | peterS | yeah, or vigr for /etc/group. *not* to be confused with vigor. |
| 20:11.08 | tam | hi all, when i go to install the nvidia driver it says it won't cos i have gcc4 installed and it was built with gcc3. if i want to proceed it says i need to set a gcc 3 variable with cc. does anyone know how i can do that? (i've no X at the moment and i'm ysing SID) |
| 20:11.09 | cafuego | urgghh, it's far tooe arly |
| 20:11.20 | tam | heh |
| 20:12.33 | greycat | Once again, I'm *tired* of answering that same fucking question. |
| 20:12.35 | greycat | Someone add it to the FAQ. |
| 20:12.40 | greycat | And it's not going to be me this time. |
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| 20:13.21 | lildude | does epson c86 work on debian for printer or is is hard to get working |
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| 20:13.46 | Downix | 25 token ring cards, egads! |
| 20:13.59 | peterS | Downix: wow, that sounds really useful |
| 20:14.15 | Downix | Well, I actually have a switch so they actually could be useful |
| 20:14.23 | Downix | but I don't have 25 computers to put them in |
| 20:14.28 | Downix | anyone building a beowolf |
| 20:14.31 | peterS | uh, a token ring *switch*? |
| 20:14.31 | Downix | ? 8) |
| 20:14.35 | dondelelcaro | lildude: cups supposedly supports it, so it should work fine. |
| 20:14.36 | peterS | I thought these things came in, you know, *rings* |
| 20:14.55 | Downix | peterS: yes, and the hub that they go through is called a switch |
| 20:14.57 | peterS | as in, computers daisy chained to each other in a circular topology |
| 20:15.17 | Downix | peterS: depends on the setup. IBM makes token ring switches |
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| 20:15.50 | Downix | dondelecaro: Might enjoy stability, I dunno. Got a pile of them tho |
| 20:15.55 | peterS | dondelelcaro: because it's so studly many megabits per second |
| 20:16.07 | Downix | got 34 10/100 ethernets as well |
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| 20:16.30 | dondelelcaro | stability? with token ring? |
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| 20:17.33 | lildude | cool so i have linux printer i hope |
| 20:17.44 | nunez | How would I go about making a shell script that would "ls -R" a directory and move certain directories that fit a certain list of words and moved those directories to another directory? |
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| 20:18.04 | kadigibox | Question: If I make a custome Debian CD to install debian specificly for the computer but nothing is changed with the packages and scripts other then the install script could the CD be labled as Debian? |
| 20:18.05 | uphill | hello |
| 20:18.12 | Downix | dondelecaro: that's the theory. Interlocking rings upon rings. That way the systems bandwidth won't be choked in heavy loads |
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| 20:18.24 | uphill | in witch package are stdlib.h and so on |
| 20:18.30 | greycat | !b-e |
| 20:18.30 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:18.45 | Downix | dondelecaro: used them in college, beat ethernet at that time. Nowadays, not so much |
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| 20:19.13 | greycat | pablum: only the ones with feet fo. |
| 20:19.15 | greycat | do* |
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| 20:19.31 | dondelelcaro | Downix: that's the whole point of an ethernet switch. Any decent switch should be able to do full line speed across all interfaces. |
| 20:19.43 | lildude | does any linux user epson c86? |
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| 20:19.55 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 20:19.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:19.58 | peterS | lildude: there's a database of this stuff at linuxprinting.org |
| 20:19.59 | pablum | greycat, you stand at the server room door with a scythe and take them off? |
| 20:20.24 | Downix | dondelecaro: Ethernet is also newer. The only real advantage now is for massively distributed systems, as you'd avoid collisions |
| 20:20.37 | lildude | been to linux printing org and got lost |
| 20:20.49 | dondelelcaro | Downix: yes; but it's 2005, not 1987. |
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| 20:22.02 | Downix | dondelelcaro: *shrug* I'm just selling the setup, not arguing its merits. |
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| 20:22.41 | greycat | pablum: no, the ones with feet tend to kick things that are under the desk surface. |
| 20:22.47 | greycat | pablum: like, say, cables. |
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| 20:30.27 | erirlar | here do i put the xfce boarder themes ? |
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| 20:32.01 | resiak | erirlar: You're asking in #debian why? |
| 20:32.43 | drac | erirlar: #xfce |
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| 20:37.12 | drac | dpkg: ping |
| 20:37.12 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:37.32 | cafuego | massive ugh |
| 20:37.35 | drac | Total five minutes of silence here, amazing. And I broke it. |
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| 20:37.53 | greycat | erirlar broke 8 minutes, by my count. |
| 20:38.42 | FieldySnuts | postmaaan!!~ |
| 20:39.00 | drac | do you have mail for me today.. |
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| 20:42.34 | greycat | !cookie |
| 20:42.47 | FieldySnuts | actualy it comes from http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/awfulfam.htm (near the end but read the whole thing) |
| 20:42.53 | cafuego | bob2 factoids strike again ;-) |
| 20:43.01 | Yokalosh | yesterday i installed partman, and now i cant use apt-get or synaptic to add, remove or update packages. all i get is 'E: The package partman needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.' |
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| 20:44.03 | bnoji_ | What could cause pam not to look at pam_ldap even if it is in all of the pam.d files? |
| 20:44.31 | Downix | oy, just found a copy of IBM DOS 5.0, still in the factory shrinkwrap |
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| 20:44.59 | bnoji_ | Do any services need to be restarted after changing nsswitch.conf? |
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| 20:46.16 | bnoji_ | I've updated commont-auth, common-password, etc... to include pam_ldap, but it seems like it is ignoring it (without errors) |
| 20:47.08 | rbochan | Yokalosh: "Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system." |
| 20:47.19 | rbochan | http://packages.debian.org/stable/debian-installer/partman |
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| 20:48.25 | dbernar1 | My gnome is taking very long to log out. This is with the second user that I created because the first one can not log in to gnome any more - hangs. Any suggestions? I would like it to work, basically. |
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| 20:49.15 | BLACK_WORLD | hola alguien que hable español |
| 20:49.18 | beaufils | how may I configure gdm so that it starts with a french menu ? |
| 20:49.21 | rbochan | !es |
| 20:49.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:49.21 | dbernar1 | !es |
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| 20:49.38 | dragonfly | does anyone know of a livecd that has ssh running by default....i am running a computer headless and need to be able to get into it |
| 20:49.41 | Ar0n | hello |
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| 20:50.35 | green_earz | dragonfly: knoppix |
| 20:51.07 | dragonfly | thank you green_earz, i wasn't sure if it ran ssh by default |
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| 20:51.42 | dragonfly | i have absolutely nothing hooked up to this box, in fact i don't even have it in a case, it is in a dresser drawer |
| 20:51.46 | Ar0n | i have a problem killing a task on a server ... i started the tsak so i have access to it and i cant kill it with command : kill [PID] |
| 20:51.49 | Jaak | hey, do i need to rebuild nvidia kernel source every time nvidia drivers get update, or can i safely use older kernel module? |
| 20:51.52 | ma3x | when i insert audio CD, /media/cdrom is empty |
| 20:51.58 | ma3x | any idea why? |
| 20:52.02 | resiak | !faq ma3x |
| 20:52.03 | dpkg | ma3x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:52.25 | ma3x | okay lemme look it up |
| 20:52.27 | Ar0n | ma3x: mount it |
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| 20:52.54 | ma3x | Ar0n audio cd's are not supposed to be mounted |
| 20:52.55 | ma3x | or? |
| 20:52.56 | resiak | Ar0n: You _can't_ mount audio CDs. This is the whole poit. |
| 20:53.06 | rbochan | troz |
| 20:53.08 | resiak | ma3x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo#head-ecd60bdd61b6b7b22488c0dcf7dce032cfdbaf08 |
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| 20:53.29 | Ar0n | hmmm .. |
| 20:54.19 | dondelelcaro | resiak: well, you can... |
| 20:54.26 | Ar0n | you know something ;) |
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| 20:54.40 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Ssssh! |
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| 20:55.26 | ma3x | resiak : still can't do it |
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| 20:55.36 | ma3x | my user is member of the audio group |
| 20:55.51 | resiak | ma3x: You can't play CDs? What exactly happens? |
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| 20:56.13 | ma3x | when i insert cds, i go to /cdrom or /media/cdrom and ls the dir, it's empty |
| 20:56.18 | ma3x | should it be empty? |
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| 20:56.28 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone give me some assistance with the cod linux server software? |
| 20:56.33 | Ar0n | well if you cant mount it it should am i wright ? |
| 20:56.53 | ma3x | maybe but how do i play it with amarok? |
| 20:57.02 | ma3x | it gives you to choose only files |
| 20:57.12 | ma3x | no dirs/ like in xmms |
| 20:57.12 | rbochan | ma3x: click the f***ing link he just f***king gave you |
| 20:57.13 | resiak | ma3x: Yes. |
| 20:57.20 | resiak | ma3x: READ THE FAQ |
| 20:57.43 | ma3x | i read it, it's just that amarok confused me |
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| 20:58.13 | resiak | That's really not my problem. Read its f manual? |
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| 20:58.25 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 20:58.26 | chr1s | hi everyone! |
| 20:58.27 | vti | is there any kind of debian variant that runs on a pen drive similar to the way Slax does? |
| 20:58.42 | ma3x | rbochan it's automatic |
| 20:58.44 | chr1s | I had debian installed on an extended dos partition |
| 20:58.51 | chr1s | And I resized it |
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| 20:59.03 | stew | dos partition? |
| 20:59.17 | chr1s | The first part was occupied by a fat partition, I deleted that, and resized the extended partion |
| 20:59.26 | ma3x | rbochan : no hard feelings please |
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| 20:59.39 | chr1s | but now when I startup, I get an "Error 17" from grub |
| 20:59.40 | ma3x | resiak : thanks for the advice mate! |
| 20:59.42 | chr1s | Stage 1.5 |
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| 21:00.22 | stew | chr1s: this might help: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 21:00.26 | ThePiratemaster | could anyone gimme a hand with coduo server software for linux? |
| 21:00.28 | Ar0n | i have a problem killing a task on a server ... i started the task so i have access to it and i cant kill it with command : kill [PID] |
| 21:00.35 | ThePiratemaster | the readme kinda sucks |
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| 21:01.16 | chr1s | stew: thanks, going to try :) |
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| 21:02.00 | tompos | hi |
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| 21:03.12 | Ar0n | bye |
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| 21:03.15 | tompos | I have an uptodate sarge |
| 21:03.24 | resiak | !tell tompos -about enter |
| 21:03.30 | quiet | is it safe enough (for notebook use) to install the KDE 3.4 packages from alioth? |
| 21:03.34 | tompos | If I try to install samba, I get the following |
| 21:03.36 | tompos | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 1 (min password length), returning 0 |
| 21:03.36 | tompos | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 2 (password history), returning 0 |
| 21:03.36 | tompos | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 3 (user must logon to change password), returning 0 |
| 21:03.36 | tompos | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 4 (maximum password age), returning 0 |
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| 21:03.44 | resiak | Yay! |
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| 21:03.50 | tompos | sorry.. |
| 21:04.05 | tompos | Does anybody any idea? |
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| 21:05.04 | SNow | How can I set first time mysql admin password? |
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| 21:06.32 | bnoji_ | SNow: GRANT |
| 21:06.42 | bnoji_ | and theres a password command also |
| 21:07.10 | ndemir | mysqladmin password |
| 21:07.21 | ndemir | read mysqladmin man page |
| 21:07.26 | ndemir | for more informaytion |
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| 21:09.54 | ndemir | SNow: use mysqladmin password command! |
| 21:10.14 | stew | SNow: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 21:10.39 | cougar` | AWESOME! |
| 21:10.40 | cougar` | http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ |
| 21:11.33 | ma3x | Ogg Vorbis is much smaller format than mp3 |
| 21:11.39 | ma3x | does it loose on quallity? |
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| 21:12.27 | resiak | cougar`: This isn't /., and seeen. |
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| 21:12.36 | cougar` | I want one! |
| 21:12.41 | cougar` | This ins't what |
| 21:12.42 | cougar` | ? |
| 21:12.45 | PeterB | cougar`: See the Answers page |
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| 21:13.10 | PeterB | cougar`: /. is Slashdot. |
| 21:13.15 | cougar` | Yeah |
| 21:13.20 | cougar` | I've been under a rock |
| 21:13.22 | linuxfreck | ma3x: ogg is a lossy format just like mp3, though it is said that ogg sounds better than mp3 at the same bitrate |
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| 21:14.48 | Randall64 | 2.6.12.3 must have the cramfs initrd patch, because it's booting |
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| 21:16.39 | dragonfly | anyone know much about the linksys WUSB54GS wireless adapter? |
| 21:16.49 | dragonfly | or know where i could go to find help |
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| 21:17.05 | ma3x | linuxfreck : is there difference in sound quality between original cd, and ripped mp3 cd? |
| 21:17.06 | Randall64 | dragonfly: I think it uses the same chipset I'm fighting currently. |
| 21:17.28 | ma3x | how do i install another language on my keyboard? |
| 21:17.29 | chr1s | when I try grub-install /dev/hdc && update grub it gives the following error: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 21:17.30 | bya | hello, anybody knows how to play .asx file under linux, please help!!! |
| 21:17.37 | chr1s | bya: try mplayer |
| 21:17.52 | bya | chrls: avisynth.dll failed to load |
| 21:17.54 | dragonfly | what adapter are you trying Randall64? |
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| 21:18.18 | Maliuta | bya: get the latest codecs |
| 21:18.22 | Randall64 | dragonfly: Hawking Tech pcmcia with rt2500 chipset (yours might be rt2570 or something, ralink is the vendor) |
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| 21:18.35 | Roldyx | hi |
| 21:18.38 | Randall64 | dragonfly: There's an open driver, but no love on amd64. |
| 21:18.51 | Randall64 | ndiswrapper supports it too |
| 21:18.57 | ma3x | howto install 2nd language for my keyboard |
| 21:19.04 | bya | Maliuta: I have the codec all form mplayer site, but there isn't avisynth.dll |
| 21:19.22 | bya | I can play wmv, but not asx |
| 21:19.32 | dragonfly | i tried ndiswrapper, but when i tried to install it said invalid driver....i may have just had the wrong files from winblows though |
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| 21:19.42 | dbernar1 | My gnome is taking very long to log out. This is with the second user that I created because the first one can not log in to gnome any more - hangs. Any suggestions? I would like it to work, basically./msg dpkg codecs |
| 21:19.49 | Randall64 | dragonfly: They say the ralink drivers work best. |
| 21:20.04 | Randall64 | dragonfly: confirm with lspci what it is though |
| 21:20.18 | bya | dbernar1: try to empty /tmp |
| 21:20.34 | bnoji_ | Anyone have experience with pam_ldap ? |
| 21:20.45 | dragonfly | i tried with the linksys drivers but like i said, i don't know if i exactly had the right ones....so ralink makes the chipset and linksys gets it from them? |
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| 21:21.09 | dragonfly | ....i need to get the box working right again...i'm downloading knoppix right now to try and fix it with |
| 21:21.15 | nicknicknick | hi, is there a way to tune mysql4 to work faster? such as some modifiction? |
| 21:21.19 | Randall64 | dragonfly: I'm thinking I saw that card mentioned, but I'm not sure it's a ralink (some actually like to mix up chipsets too) |
| 21:21.19 | nicknicknick | +a |
| 21:21.37 | dbernar1 | ok, ya thats much better, thanks. |
| 21:21.39 | linuxfreck | ma3x: there is a difference, though I cannot usually hear it |
| 21:21.52 | nebular | are there issues running quake 2 fullscreen with xinerama? |
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| 21:21.58 | bya | dbernar1: did you talk with me? |
| 21:22.16 | ma3x | linuxfreck : ok, do you know how to install french to be usable on my keyboard? |
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| 21:22.41 | PeterB | !drxx ma3x |
| 21:22.42 | dpkg | ma3x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 21:22.44 | linuxfreck | nebular: the original quake2 stuff doesn't support fullscreen at all, not sure whether there are patches available |
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| 21:22.53 | PeterB | ma3x: It asks some keyboard-related questions |
| 21:23.16 | nicknicknick | I allready have eaccelarator for php, mod_cache + mod_mem_cache + mode_disk_cache for apache, 2GB DDR400 Ram, Opteron 246. the small thing is to know if it's neccasairy (or what ever because english is not mu native sorry) to tune mysql4 on sarge. |
| 21:23.20 | ma3x | i'll see if i can handle it |
| 21:23.28 | Randall64 | configure-debian is a good tool to get into dpkg-reconfigure on many packages |
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| 21:23.57 | nicknicknick | Ver 4.0.24_Debian-10-log for pc-linux-gnu on i386 (Source distribution) |
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| 21:25.33 | ma3x | ok now i have to choose keyboard layout |
| 21:25.35 | bya | someone knows how to get avisynth.dll for linux? It's probably in /usr/lib/win32/ , or /usr/local/lib/win32. If you have this file, could you send it to me. thanks alot |
| 21:25.35 | ma3x | i want english and french |
| 21:25.38 | nebular | linuxfreck: that would probably explain the issues with the mouse with xinerama, thanks, I"ll look into one of the other q2 projects |
| 21:25.39 | ma3x | what do i have to type? |
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| 21:26.37 | ma3x | will anybody help me with the keyboard please? |
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| 21:26.59 | bya | ma3x: tell me your prb? |
| 21:27.07 | overdose | lo, for using my hole keyboard, i need other appp's to than xkb? |
| 21:27.18 | overdose | i cant type some symbols i actually need |
| 21:27.22 | ma3x | bya: i want to install english and french |
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| 21:27.31 | ChrisW | hi there |
| 21:27.35 | ma3x | and then to switch it with some key combinaton |
| 21:27.38 | ChrisW | I have 4 pre-upgraded debian servers |
| 21:27.45 | ChrisW | how do I update them to sarge |
| 21:27.45 | bya | ma3x: and what's problem? |
| 21:27.46 | ChrisW | ? |
| 21:27.48 | ma3x | like alt+shift |
| 21:27.52 | ma3x | well how do i do it |
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| 21:28.10 | ma3x | i am at the xfreeconfig and it says Please select your keyboard layout. |
| 21:28.20 | bya | fr |
| 21:28.23 | overdose | ChrisW: edit source.list |
| 21:28.28 | bya | ma3x: fr or en |
| 21:28.29 | ma3x | so should i specify like us;fr |
| 21:28.39 | bya | ma3x: yeah |
| 21:28.40 | ma3x | can't i put both? |
| 21:28.47 | bya | ma3x: no |
| 21:28.47 | ChrisW | overdose: is there a howto fo rthis anywhere? |
| 21:28.48 | PeterB | ma3x: A comma instead of a semicolon. |
| 21:29.00 | ma3x | so us,fr |
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| 21:29.05 | bya | ma3x: choose the origine keyboard |
| 21:29.10 | overdose | nah, just edit it to sarge |
| 21:29.20 | overdose | ChrisW: i gonna pste mine in pm |
| 21:29.23 | overdose | ok? |
| 21:29.30 | bya | ma3x: use kde to switch |
| 21:29.46 | ma3x | bya : how do i use kde to switch,exactly? |
| 21:29.46 | PeterB | ChrisW: Upgrade from woody? |
| 21:29.58 | metaperl | how do I use apt-get to install everything from `apt-cache search gstreamer` |
| 21:29.59 | ChrisW | PeterB: yep |
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| 21:30.13 | PeterB | ChrisW: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 21:30.27 | bya | ma3x: in the tray, there is a flag to switch between languages |
| 21:30.57 | ChrisW | I did my usual "apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade" a few weeks back and got a load of packages "held back" |
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| 21:31.02 | ChrisW | how shopuld I proceed? |
| 21:31.07 | overdose | anyway, about my x problem, need all symbols tp type, i have xkb but still cant type some symbols, i need other packages to to get them to work? |
| 21:31.14 | ma3x | bya whats that flag called, i don't have it |
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| 21:31.32 | idaho | I'm using the latest debian release and the kde UI. I bought a new monitor today. Where do I go to tell linux that the new monitor is here? |
| 21:32.00 | overdose | idaho: doin a new xfree86config? |
| 21:32.07 | bya | ma3x: I have tried knoppix, and there is this flag, and I can switch my french keyboard into en one |
| 21:32.13 | ChrisW | "serious breakage for around 30% of users" ? |
| 21:32.19 | ChrisW | that doesn't sounds good... |
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| 21:32.35 | ma3x | bya: i'm on debian |
| 21:32.37 | idaho | overdose: Thanks. I'll start looking around for that. |
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| 21:32.50 | pulaski | hello all. I need some help configuring exim4 for my new sarge update and the guys over to the #exim channel are a pretty tip-lipped bunch. Can someone suggest an irc channel for exim users with questions? |
| 21:33.06 | bya | ma3x: I know, but if you just try knoppix and get the name of the applet to add in your task bar |
| 21:33.20 | pulaski | tight-lipped bunch over at #exim |
| 21:33.41 | Randall64 | They guard their secrets, eh? |
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| 21:34.13 | ChrisW | and what is aptitude? |
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| 21:34.22 | PeterB | ma3x: Specify us,fr as layout and grp:alt_shift_toggle as options, works for me. |
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| 21:34.32 | Eulex | pulaski, maybe there's a mailing list? |
| 21:34.46 | ChrisW | and hotplug and discover1 for that matter? |
| 21:34.59 | ma3x | PeterB can you please paste me that line for the grp options |
| 21:34.59 | pulaski | yes there is and I can access it. I was just looking for an alternative |
| 21:35.05 | pulaski | thanks Eulex |
| 21:35.09 | ChrisW | anyone? heylp! :-S |
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| 21:35.31 | PeterB | ma3x: I just did. |
| 21:35.50 | metaperl | how do I tell apt-get to install the suggested packages in addition to the package I requested? |
| 21:35.59 | Eulex | ChrisW, aptitude is like apt-get, but has an ncurses ui -- and you want both hotplug and discover |
| 21:36.29 | ChrisW | what do hotplug and discover do? |
| 21:36.44 | ChrisW | I'm very nervous about all of this |
| 21:36.55 | Eulex | ChrisW, they detect hardware at boot |
| 21:37.06 | ChrisW | I liked it when I could just "apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade" once a week |
| 21:37.12 | ChrisW | why can't I keep doing that? |
| 21:37.19 | pulaski | Thanks again Eulex, I will try the mailing list for exim users. I need to do something. |
| 21:37.27 | ma3x | do i need to reset after i modify XFree86-4 ? |
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| 21:38.18 | ChrisW | hurm, well, okay, I'm trying ap[titude now... |
| 21:38.20 | Eulex | ChrisW, you can keep running woody, but ~1 year from this, there won't be any security updates anymore -- so you have to switch, and, better do it now than later |
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| 21:38.47 | ChrisW | okay, I;ve apt-get'ed aptitude |
| 21:38.53 | ChrisW | so now I edit source.list, right? |
| 21:39.04 | SNow | hi guys, what is the problem when i get this crap: http://box.sniegas.lt/hyipm/ |
| 21:39.07 | SNow | the php is working fine! |
| 21:39.20 | ChrisW | do I just change all instances of 'woody' to 'sarge'? |
| 21:39.30 | ChrisW | what do I do for packages I'm currently getting from backports.org? |
| 21:39.42 | ChrisW | should I keep getting them from there, or should I try to move ot sarge ones? |
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| 21:40.20 | Randall64 | SNow: How do you know the php is working fine? |
| 21:40.28 | Eulex | ChrisW, I doubt you will be able to keep the packages you've gotten from backports.org |
| 21:40.45 | Eulex | ChrisW, also, read the upgrading section of the sarge manual |
| 21:40.47 | Eulex | and |
| 21:40.51 | ChrisW | okay, so how do I switch them ot the "oficial" debian ones? |
| 21:40.52 | Eulex | !woody->sarge |
| 21:41.13 | SNow | ok, another question, how does zend package call ? |
| 21:41.15 | Eulex | ChrisW, you'll have to uninstall the unofficial and install official |
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| 21:41.16 | ChrisW | on the server I'm starting with, the only package I have from backports.org is subversion |
| 21:41.21 | ChrisW | that's now in sarge, right? |
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| 21:41.37 | Randall64 | Snow: softly? |
| 21:41.49 | ChrisW | how would I know if I can keep what I have or not? |
| 21:42.09 | Eulex | ChrisW, I think so -- and aptitude will tell you what it has to remove |
| 21:42.18 | Eulex | !find subversion sarge |
| 21:42.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'subversion' (5 of 9): (/usr/bin/xxdiff-subversion) in text/xxdiff ;; (/usr/share/doc/bash/completion-contrib/subversion) in base/bash ;; (/usr/share/websvn/templates/BlueGrey/subversion.png) in devel/websvn ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.5/functions/Completion/Unix/_subversion) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-1/functions/Completion/Unix/_subversion) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 21:42.28 | ChrisW | right, so I've apt-getted aptitude |
| 21:42.36 | Eulex | umh, that's not what I wanted |
| 21:42.39 | PeterB | !info subversion sarge |
| 21:42.45 | ChrisW | now I'm looking at sources.list in emacs |
| 21:42.48 | ChrisW | what's next? |
| 21:42.51 | dpkg | subversion: (advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.1.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 953 kB, Installed size: 2856 kB |
| 21:42.54 | SNow | Randall64what ? |
| 21:43.03 | Eulex | ChrisW, read the upgrading section in the sarge manual, if you haven't |
| 21:43.07 | ChrisW | also, where is this sarge upgrade documentation you speak of? |
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| 21:43.31 | ChrisW | wher is the "sarge manual"? |
| 21:43.38 | Eulex | ChrisW, in the sarge manual, which is on debian.org |
| 21:43.46 | ChrisW | where on debian.org? |
| 21:43.52 | Eulex | !woody->sarge |
| 21:44.07 | ChrisW | I'm lost in a bewildering array of docs that don't look like they're the "sarge manual" :-S |
| 21:44.14 | SNow | How does ZEND package call ? |
| 21:45.02 | ChrisW | I'm currently here: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 21:45.09 | ChrisW | where are these sarge docs you're talking about? |
| 21:45.13 | ma3x | Eulex : can you help me please/ |
| 21:45.38 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.51 | ma3x | is that right in the XF86Config-4 ? |
| 21:45.57 | Eulex | ChrisW, I'm searing |
| 21:46.01 | Eulex | ma3x, I dunno |
| 21:46.03 | ma3x | i want to switch languages with alt+shift |
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| 21:46.32 | PeterB | !sarge release notes |
| 21:46.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 21:46.37 | PeterB | Eulex: That one? |
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| 21:48.08 | secher | Ok, what are the package names for x.org? |
| 21:48.25 | Maliuta | secher: xserver-xorg |
| 21:48.40 | secher | Thanks Maliuta |
| 21:48.47 | SNow | Who can help me install ZEND ? |
| 21:48.48 | Eulex | PeterB, yeah |
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| 21:48.56 | Eulex | ChrisW, ^^^ |
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| 21:49.36 | ChrisW | it all looks very scary |
| 21:49.37 | ChrisW | :-S |
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| 21:51.00 | corpix | hi |
| 21:51.08 | dockane | is sarge able to boot from a software raid ? |
| 21:51.29 | ChrisW | non-us is dead now right, so I can remove the lines from sources.list? |
| 21:51.35 | ChrisW | right? |
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| 21:51.50 | Eulex | ChrisW, yeah |
| 21:51.59 | ChrisW | cool |
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| 21:52.11 | secher | Hrm. apt-cache searched for xorg, searched debian packages in names and descriptions for xorg, to no avail. Are the packages in unstable, what are they called, and if not in unstable, where are they? |
| 21:52.13 | ChrisW | my top line now looks like: |
| 21:52.21 | ChrisW | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 21:52.24 | SNow | How could i install zend ? |
| 21:52.25 | ChrisW | does that look right? |
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| 21:52.45 | nvz | secher: xserver-xorg iirc, and yes they are in unstable |
| 21:53.11 | aktinos | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg |
| 21:53.13 | nvz | secher: I believe gravity is the maintainer.. but he's not in here right now.. probably at work or something |
| 21:54.00 | secher | Wierd.. lemme try looking directly in the packages.. Thanks. |
| 21:54.09 | Eulex | ChrisW, I think so |
| 21:54.24 | SNow | How could i install zend ? |
| 21:54.35 | valdyn | !info zend |
| 21:54.40 | PeterB | SNow: file(1) says that jibberish in your link is Zend Optimizer data. |
| 21:55.01 | ChrisW | should I take the line out for subversion from backports.org now, or should I uninstall subversion and then remove the line? |
| 21:55.35 | nvz | my brother is blasting music through some cheap pc speakers.. it sounds like shit, and he apperently doesnt realize it |
| 21:55.43 | nvz | not to mention he is ruining the speakers |
| 21:56.10 | Eulex | ChrisW, I doesn't matter |
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| 21:56.32 | brosio | the password that are stored in /etc/shadow are in 3des ? |
| 21:56.40 | dondelelcaro | you can't ruin cheap pc speakers. They're already ruined. |
| 21:56.47 | nvz | heh |
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| 21:57.37 | ChrisW | Eulex: so I can just leave it there and get on with following the upgrade instructions? |
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| 21:57.57 | stew | wow, why didn't i try ion3 sooner... |
| 21:58.06 | nvz | cause you are lame |
| 21:58.17 | stew | guess so |
| 21:58.18 | nvz | 8oP |
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| 21:59.01 | nvz | I still use sawfish. I love it even though its so fucking outdated its starting to cause problems |
| 21:59.03 | stew | i've been writing a ton of scripts over the years to make ratpoison more like $something, just never knew that something=ion3 |
| 21:59.06 | SNow | Tell me more how to install ZEND? |
| 21:59.16 | Eulex | ChrisW, I don't think it matters -- but I dunno what's in that repo, and removing the line from your sources.list might make the upgrade smoother |
| 21:59.37 | ma3x | how do i restart XFree? |
| 21:59.46 | nvz | SNow: zend doesnt exist in debian, go fuckinggoogleit.com or something |
| 21:59.53 | ChrisW | hmm, well, the main thing I care about is keeping up with security patches |
| 22:00.03 | ChrisW | once I've done this upgrade, what's the way to do that now? |
| 22:00.21 | ChrisW | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 22:00.22 | ChrisW | ? |
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| 22:00.34 | buzzrunner | well evilwm has new release for those who love minimal wm |
| 22:00.49 | Eulex | ChrisW, yeah |
| 22:01.10 | nvz | personally I am a fan of the minimal work for maximum flexibilty wm |
| 22:01.11 | Slippy | anyone know if apt-listbugs is supported by aptitude? |
| 22:01.25 | nvz | otherwise I just as soon use screen |
| 22:01.48 | ChrisW | Eulex: cool |
| 22:02.03 | ChrisW | hmm, I see some message warning me about: xdm kdm gdm postgresql xscreensaver |
| 22:02.17 | ChrisW | do I have to manually stop any of those services if I use them? |
| 22:02.40 | Eulex | ChrisW, what exactly do these warnings say? |
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| 22:02.54 | nvz | ChrisW: if and when services need to be restarted during an upgrade, it will ask you first then do it automatically |
| 22:02.59 | secher | I figured it out.. I was using Rutgers' Debian mirror, and that site is apparently not too frequently updated. Moved to primary mirror site. |
| 22:03.08 | ChrisW | nvz: ah cool, that's what I want ot hear :-) |
| 22:03.10 | nvz | ChrisW: you cannot restart gdm for example if you are upgrading with synaptic |
| 22:03.17 | Thanatermesis | apt-get update not works, any idea ? What is the problem of the repos ? |
| 22:03.19 | nvz | ChrisW: because that will kill synaptic |
| 22:03.49 | nvz | Thanatermesis: try a different mirrot |
| 22:03.50 | secher | Just out of curiosity, how buggy is xserver-xorg? |
| 22:03.52 | ChrisW | what's synaptic? |
| 22:04.03 | nvz | its a gtk2 package manager |
| 22:04.15 | secher | Chris, of are relating to synapses.. <grin> |
| 22:04.24 | SNow | I need unrar but when I do install it says: This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |
| 22:04.24 | SNow | never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents |
| 22:04.24 | SNow | of sources.list |
| 22:04.43 | Thanatermesis | nvz, I have tried 4 mirrors... |
| 22:04.51 | Thanatermesis | any person works you'r apt-get update? |
| 22:05.09 | valdyn | SNow: apt-get install p7zip |
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| 22:06.11 | valdyn | SNow: there still is unrar-free and unrar-nonfree, but p7zip does it all and more and is free. |
| 22:06.17 | SNow | E: Couldn't find package p7zip |
| 22:06.35 | valdyn | !info p7zip sarge |
| 22:06.49 | valdyn | !info p7zip sid |
| 22:06.53 | valdyn | !info p7zip etch |
| 22:06.55 | dpkg | p7zip: (7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1350 kB, Installed size: 3454 kB |
| 22:06.58 | dpkg | p7zip: (7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.20-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1350 kB, Installed size: 3454 kB |
| 22:07.09 | valdyn | SNow: that explains that ) |
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| 22:07.27 | idnar | p7zip does rar? |
| 22:07.35 | valdyn | yes |
| 22:07.36 | idnar | great |
| 22:07.40 | SNow | hmmz |
| 22:07.56 | valdyn | SNow: you probbaly want unrar-nonfree then |
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| 22:08.15 | SNow | -impek:~# apt-get install p7zip |
| 22:08.15 | SNow | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 22:08.15 | SNow | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 22:08.15 | SNow | E: Couldn't find package p7zip |
| 22:08.15 | SNow | e-impek:~# |
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| 22:08.25 | valdyn | haha |
| 22:08.34 | SNow | E: Couldn't find package unrar-free |
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| 22:09.34 | valdyn | !info unrar sarge |
| 22:09.36 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
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| 22:10.17 | valdyn | !info unrar-free sarge |
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| 22:10.44 | paulswm | !info rar sarge |
| 22:10.46 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
| 22:11.15 | valdyn | looks like the free version of rar / unrar isnt in sarge. |
| 22:11.32 | valdyn | SNow: you probably miss non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 22:12.51 | overdose | anyone know why i can type |, @ and # in X i got xlibs and setted keymap right tho |
| 22:13.18 | overdose | and it's getting on my nerves, i tried several options, still no luck |
| 22:13.31 | Vilim | Is there some sort of log which apt keeps on its operations, without thinking I installed some x packages to install the alps driver and accidentally screwed up X |
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| 22:14.03 | valdyn | Vilim: probably not, ls -l /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 22:14.44 | Vilim | haha, wow, I can't believe I didn't see that, for some reason I was looking for apt |
| 22:14.47 | Vilim | thanks |
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| 22:17.19 | SNow | my pc broke |
| 22:17.29 | SNow | what you were talking for me about unrar, what should I do ? |
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| 22:18.34 | ChrisW | hmm, how would I switch from a backports.org versionb of spamassassin to whatever is in sarge? |
| 22:18.36 | bionaut | hi |
| 22:18.37 | ChrisW | and is that the right thing to do? |
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| 22:18.57 | bionaut | i have a problem with my ubuntu system |
| 22:19.04 | idaho | Hello. I'm using the latest debian and gnome desktop. I'm looking for the "X Configuration" per the debian manual online from the Gnome control center. I can't find it. Is the manual outdated? |
| 22:19.17 | Ronin | SNow: you trying to install unrar? |
| 22:19.26 | bionaut | does somebody know why i can't mount my old windows partion? |
| 22:19.28 | m4lu6 | OK. could someone help me understand the concept of "init"?? i'm trying to follow a [ use some terms from bootdisk howto] Netboot howto, |
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| 22:19.48 | overdose | damn,anyone know why i'm not being able to type |,@ and #? |
| 22:19.48 | jojo | bionaut, "in use"? |
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| 22:19.54 | m4lu6 | and i've got my root_fs built, grand. I've got "linuxrc", which is calling /sbin/init, which in turn reads /etc/inittab... |
| 22:20.02 | bionaut | jojo: yes |
| 22:20.03 | overdose | i got the right keymap tho |
| 22:20.13 | m4lu6 | however... i simply, over and over again, get "Kernel panic: no init foun. try passin ginit= option to kernel". |
| 22:20.31 | m4lu6 | i stick busybox in as my init "linuxrc" option, and bam. it boots. wtf? |
| 22:20.33 | m4lu6 | arhgh |
| 22:20.34 | SNow | ronin check: |
| 22:20.37 | bionaut | can't understand the "root" priority system in ubuntu |
| 22:20.42 | SNow | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 22:20.47 | SNow | E: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate |
| 22:20.49 | jojo | bionaut, fuser -m /mnt/oldwindows shows pids using the mount. Then you can use ps ax | grep pidnr or similiar to see the process |
| 22:21.03 | vi4m | hello. i write something like this: timeout 10 ls /this_file_doesnt_exits |
| 22:21.06 | Ronin | SNow: i believe its in non-free, youd had to add that to your sources list |
| 22:21.19 | bionaut | thx jojo , ik will try this |
| 22:21.26 | jojo | m4lu6, What are you trying to do? |
| 22:21.28 | vi4m | echo $? gives me "0" |
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| 22:21.53 | vi4m | the question is why it returns 0 ? |
| 22:21.59 | m4lu6 | jojo: trying to build a bloody network boot'ed box. |
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| 22:22.22 | cafuego | vi4m: coz it didn't fail? |
| 22:22.31 | m4lu6 | "nearly" from scratch, as uclib, predominant force in the embedded universe, doesn't support 1/2 the stuff i wanna throw on said network boote'd box... |
| 22:23.11 | SNow | what should i add there ronin ? |
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| 22:23.15 | jojo | m4lu6, So you're using rootfs on an nfs server then? |
| 22:23.20 | vi4m | cafuego: (from man timeout) timeout's exit status is the exit status of the specified command or 1 in case of a usage error |
| 22:23.37 | cafuego | vi4m: ergo, the command exited with status 0. |
| 22:23.44 | m4lu6 | jojo: not even, serving up rootfs.gz through tftp |
| 22:23.57 | foxten | Hi all. I'm trying to install Debian Sarge on an old IBM machine (pentium 233 -64MB RAM) but when the kernel is booting, a panic occurs and it says "Attempted to kill the idle task!". Why this happens and how can I correct this? |
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| 22:24.24 | vi4m | cafuego: the command specified in the command line returns "1" |
| 22:24.26 | m4lu6 | I've got a working solution w/busybox, i've got 10 boxes booted right now... sadly, i can't run my preferred apps, and my attempts at porting to uclibc have failed... miserably. |
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| 22:24.38 | cafuego | vi4m: Are you sure? |
| 22:24.55 | m4lu6 | The only thing i've determined i like about busybox (vis a vis buildroot), is the discovery of the genext2fs package |
| 22:25.01 | cafuego | vi4m: Coz timeout seems to think otherwise. |
| 22:25.08 | vi4m | cafuego: ls /bfdsafdsafdsafda; echo $? gives "1" |
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| 22:26.25 | cafuego | vi4m: Then timeout seems to be broken. |
| 22:26.31 | vi4m | cafuego: do you know some other tool to do this "right" ? |
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| 22:27.48 | ChrisW | does sarge have better packages for postgresql, subversion and spamassain than were previously available from backports.org? |
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| 22:28.02 | SNow | Ronin Can you help me ? |
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| 22:28.10 | Eulex | ChrisW, see packages.debian.org |
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| 22:28.27 | www | hi |
| 22:28.30 | Ronin | SNow: you have to add non-free to your sources list /etc/apt/sources.list if you feel like doing it manually |
| 22:28.45 | cafuego | vi4m: try timeout 1 sleep 2 && ls /nosuchfile; echo $? |
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| 22:29.06 | www | how to execute some scripts when an interface goes up ? put them in ip-up.d ? how to limit these script to only one interface ? |
| 22:29.34 | idaho | In the debian user manual online, it tells me to do the following "Select Systems > X Configuration from the gnome Control Center", but I'm not able to find the X Configuration anywhere. |
| 22:29.38 | SNow | ronin another question, I want to have ZEND, what should I Do, I have Debian. |
| 22:29.43 | SNow | How Should i INSTALL It or something? |
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| 22:30.05 | cafuego | www: You can execute them from interfaces(5) with the "up" keyword. |
| 22:30.21 | ChrisW | Eulex: going... |
| 22:30.27 | Ronin | never heard of it but if it exists apt-get install |
| 22:30.33 | ChrisW | my next question, is that if I want to move to the sarge versions, how do I do it? |
| 22:31.01 | Eulex | ChrisW, simply uninstall your old version and install the sarge version |
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| 22:31.33 | ChrisW | hurm, what happens to all my postgres data, for example? |
| 22:31.40 | www | cafuego : can I put my scripts in ip-up.d ? i don t want them to run for all interfaces |
| 22:31.44 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: it should be automatically upgraded. |
| 22:31.53 | cafuego | www: You can execute them from interfaces(5) with the "up" keyword. |
| 22:32.04 | SNow | Who can help me with zend ? |
| 22:32.11 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: what? from the backports versions to the sarge ones? that soudns afrily optimistic, how does it do that? |
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| 22:32.38 | chr1s | hi! |
| 22:32.50 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: via the postinst. The postgresql packages are fairly good. |
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| 22:33.08 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: huh? sorry... lost me... |
| 22:33.22 | chr1s | My root partition has changed from /dev/hdc6 to /dev/hdc5, and I've updated grub, /etc/fstab, but when I boot, I get a kernel panic |
| 22:33.23 | ChrisW | what do I do? comment out the backports line in sources.conf or what? |
| 22:33.28 | overdose | anyone good whit configuring X? i got some annoying issues, cant type |,@ and #, and my keymap is setted right |
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| 22:34.39 | d03boy | fixed it! |
| 22:34.44 | Shadowcat | fixed what? |
| 22:34.48 | chr1s | Is there any other place debian stores the drive config? |
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| 22:34.59 | Shadowcat | d03boy: so what did you do? |
| 22:35.10 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: you there? |
| 22:35.15 | chr1s | It goews wrong at: VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hdc6 |
| 22:35.20 | d03boy | Shadowcat, after adding psmouse to /etc/modules I had to also load usbmouse |
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| 22:35.35 | Shadowcat | duh |
| 22:35.41 | omry | hi. how do I add another session type to GDM? |
| 22:35.44 | Shadowcat | told you you needed sleep |
| 22:35.48 | d03boy | ya :P |
| 22:36.24 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: you just install the version that is in sarge. There's really not much to it. |
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| 22:36.58 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: hmm, okay, I currently have a backports.org line in my sources.list |
| 22:36.59 | dondelelcaro | if you want to understand how it's able to upgrade the database format, then you'll have to read the postinst file. I've no desire to explain it |
| 22:37.00 | ChrisW | what do I do wit hthat? |
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| 22:37.13 | ChrisW | comment it out? |
| 22:37.17 | ChrisW | then what? |
| 22:37.23 | ChrisW | aptitude install postgres? |
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| 22:37.28 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: sure, then install the version that is in sarge. |
| 22:37.36 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: just run aptitude, and select the version in sarge. |
| 22:37.42 | ChrisW | does that mean I should uninstall the backports version first? |
| 22:37.45 | www | looks like ifup is running a run-parts on ip-up.d |
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| 22:38.08 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: no. |
| 22:38.10 | www | will a run-parts recurse ? |
| 22:38.16 | dondelelcaro | www: no. |
| 22:38.16 | www | in subdirs |
| 22:38.19 | www | k |
| 22:38.22 | dondelelcaro | www: man run-parts |
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| 22:38.32 | www | ok. bye. |
| 22:38.54 | ChrisW | okay, so just comment out the backports line in sources.list and the ndo aptitude install postgres? |
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| 22:39.22 | forbes882002 | i need help installing debian. how to disable dma on the installation? |
| 22:40.34 | chr1s | does anyone know how to handle VFS error messages? |
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| 22:42.51 | Allah- | I FREAKING HATE DEBIAN |
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| 22:43.08 | ChrisW | what a twat |
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| 22:43.30 | redtime | moo ;] |
| 22:43.36 | overdose | i got annyone problems to tho :/ |
| 22:43.41 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: just to confirm: just comment out the backports line in sources.list and the ndo aptitude install postgres? |
| 22:43.43 | overdose | *annoying |
| 22:43.44 | ugly | is there any other way to do decimal precision math in bash besides 'bc'? (writing a script and one particular OS has a problem with bc) |
| 22:43.55 | Wyzard | hmm, time for me to learn about dpkg-shlibdeps |
| 22:44.02 | ugly | if not I guess I'll run perl within bash, as ghetto as that is |
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| 22:45.03 | gerd | hi |
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| 22:45.12 | gerd | i have problems getting my compiled kernel started |
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| 22:45.20 | SNow | is zend optimizer enough to run zend supported php scripts ? |
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| 22:45.27 | gerd | it cannot acces my roto partition :/ |
| 22:45.37 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: just comment out the backports line, and then run aptitude; and select the proper version of postgres. |
| 22:45.38 | gerd | root partition |
| 22:45.45 | Wyzard | gerd: You probably left out support for either the root filesystem, or your IDE (or SCSI) controller |
| 22:45.47 | forbes882002 | how to disable dma? |
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| 22:45.56 | SNow | is zend optimizer enough to run zend supported php scripts ? |
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| 22:46.04 | gerd | Wyzard, i didnt change something there iirc |
| 22:46.17 | gerd | i only dropped isdn, telefone, ipv6 |
| 22:46.30 | dondelelcaro | forbes882002: it should be nodma or something. IIRC it's in the boot help pages when you boot the kernel. <F2-F7 et al.> |
| 22:46.38 | Wyzard | SNow: AFAIK, any (non-erroneous) PHP script should run regardless of whether the optimizer is installed |
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| 22:47.09 | Wyzard | gerd: If you used Debian's default configuration as a starting point, the filesystems and IDE/SCSI support are compiled as modules, so you need to either change them to be compiled in, or compile an initrd kernel |
| 22:47.29 | ChrisW | "select the roepr version of postgres"? |
| 22:47.33 | Wyzard | gerd: Why compile a custom kernel just to omit a few modules, when you can use a standard kernel and simply not load those modules? |
| 22:47.39 | ChrisW | so far, aptitude hasn't asked me t oselect any versions |
| 22:47.51 | gerd | Wyzard, i "need" bootsplash support |
| 22:48.01 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: uh, sure it does. Run aptitude. search for postgres. View the package page. press + on the proper version. |
| 22:48.05 | Wyzard | gerd: right... you really "need" that :-P |
| 22:48.14 | Wyzard | gerd: Anyway, use --initrd when running make-kpkg |
| 22:48.27 | gerd | wth is make-kpkg? |
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| 22:48.40 | dondelelcaro | oh boy |
| 22:48.53 | gerd | i did whyt the readme said ^^ |
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| 22:49.21 | Wyzard | gerd: It's the Debian tool for building kernels... it makes a .deb out of the compiled kernel and its modules, just like the kernel-image packages you can install via apt |
| 22:49.27 | Wyzard | gerd: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 22:49.39 | gerd | ok.. i use that after compiling? |
| 22:49.52 | loocek | why ...after starting mysqld I have till 10 processes of mysqld ? Are they all need it ? eventually how to reduce number of them ? |
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| 22:50.03 | Wyzard | gerd: No, it's a frontend for the compilation process |
| 22:50.18 | Wyzard | gerd: "make-kpkg kernel-image" compiles everything and assembles a .deb |
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| 22:50.49 | SNow | PHP Fatal error: [Zend Optimizer] Zend Optimizer 2.5.10 is incompatible with Advanced PHP Debugger (APD) 0.4p2 in Unknown on line 0 |
| 22:50.52 | SNow | what should i DO / |
| 22:50.53 | SNow | ? |
| 22:51.01 | gerd | does it incluse "make config"? |
| 22:51.07 | gerd | inslude |
| 22:51.18 | gerd | include |
| 22:51.21 | Wyzard | SNow: Don't use the optimizer on the machine where you want to do your debugging |
| 22:51.35 | loocek | ? |
| 22:51.46 | SNow | How should I remove the debugging ? |
| 22:51.48 | Wyzard | gerd: I think it does oldconfig by default, so you'd just configure the kernel beforehand, but you can also configure it to run menuconfig (or xconfig, whatever) as part of its build |
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| 22:51.55 | forbes882002 | why dose installer shows the cd is corrupt when it's not? |
| 22:52.06 | dondelelcaro | forbes882002: have you checked the md5sum of the cd? |
| 22:52.09 | Wyzard | forbes882002: How do you know it isn't? |
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| 22:52.41 | forbes882002 | i have tried md5sum. |
| 22:53.00 | gerd | Wyzard, wich package do i need for the make-dpkg command? |
| 22:53.32 | dondelelcaro | forbes882002: and? |
| 22:53.44 | Wyzard | gerd: kernel-package |
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| 22:54.15 | ralf | a volte non ci sono limiti all'inettitudine umana |
| 22:54.20 | Wyzard | gerd: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 22:55.08 | gerd | thx |
| 22:55.21 | dondelelcaro | forbes882002: read /topic and stop /msg'ing me. |
| 22:55.35 | dondelelcaro | forbes882002: which CD is this? what was the md5sum? what is the precise message that the installer is giving you? |
| 22:55.48 | green_earz | gerd: do you want to compile a kernel ? if so look at > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-kernel-details |
| 22:55.50 | henk | i'm setting up a server with software raid0. what whould be better for performance: 1)putting swap on top of the raid-0, 2)putting a single swap image on 1 of the two disks or 3)putting swapfiles on both of the disks and turn the rest into raid0? |
| 22:55.57 | ralf | oops, sorry |
| 22:56.20 | forbes882002 | debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso and debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:56.26 | gerd | to be honest, i already compiled it, but it just wont start :/ |
| 22:56.47 | dondelelcaro | gerd: and it won't start because you've not compiled in the drivers that you need to mount your rootfs. |
| 22:56.56 | Wyzard | gerd: You already compiled it, but it's not an initrd kernel |
| 22:57.04 | dondelelcaro | it's not exactly rocket science. |
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| 22:57.18 | matt_ | i swear to $DIETY, if aptitude fails this install.... |
| 22:57.23 | Wyzard | gerd: Either compile in the necessary drivers, or build an initrd kernel (which can be done with make-kpkg's --initrd option) |
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| 22:57.41 | myren | i am SOO tired of telling it what packages to install. i hate how it reverts if it fails an install |
| 22:58.01 | dondelelcaro | myren: eh? it doesn't do that here. |
| 22:58.05 | green_earz | gerd: your friends with a kernel compile is make oldconfig and --initrd |
| 22:58.08 | myren | you have 37 broken pacakges.... *kill, i said kill* |
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| 22:58.16 | cmatheso1 | is qmail not in stable? |
| 22:58.23 | myren | dondelelcaro: hrm, that is interesting. i'll have to look around. |
| 22:58.23 | dondelelcaro | myren: yes, so fix the broken packages. It tells you exactly why they're broken. |
| 22:58.36 | forbes882002 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.40 | myren | i've had to fix 37 broken packages ~20 times |
| 22:58.40 | dondelelcaro | cmatheso1: no. |
| 22:58.43 | myren | if its no one thing its another |
| 22:58.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell dieguito -about away |
| 22:59.03 | cmatheso1 | dondelelcaro: is it non-free or why is that? |
| 22:59.04 | gerd | green_earz, what means oldconfig? |
| 22:59.19 | dondelelcaro | cmatheso1: it's not free. djb does not allow people to distribute modified binaries. |
| 22:59.37 | dondelelcaro | but it's not like it matters. You really don't want to run qmail anyway. |
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| 23:00.27 | green_earz | gerd: copy the kernel config file in boot to the linux dir as .config then use the command "make oldconfig" |
| 23:00.29 | cmatheso1 | dondelelcaro: that is lame of them... i need to set up a big mail server... originally i was looking at courier-mta, but several people recommended qmailrocks.org... what is wrong w/ qmail other than the sucky license? |
| 23:00.52 | dondelelcaro | cmatheso1: the fact that it has 8 billion configuration files spread throughout the filesystem? the fact that it's written by djb? |
| 23:01.19 | cmatheso1 | dondelelcaro: i don't know who that is |
| 23:01.30 | green_earz | gerd: have a read of the url i posted you > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-kernel-details |
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| 23:01.38 | cmatheso1 | dondelelcaro: my original thought was to use courier/postfix. any experience w/ those? |
| 23:01.38 | dondelelcaro | !djb |
| 23:01.38 | dpkg | well, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 23:01.48 | cmatheso1 | haha |
| 23:01.53 | cmatheso1 | !wanker |
| 23:01.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, wanker is giving the palm pilot a flight, massaging Kojak's head. Fuck, someone pass me the tissues. |
| 23:02.21 | Eulex | gerd, you can't expect anyone in here to help you compile a kernel if the goal is to get bootsplash -- and btw, you do not possess the knowledge on how to compile a kernel yourself |
| 23:02.31 | dondelelcaro | cmatheso1: those should work; some people prefer exim; I like sendmail and dovecot; but then I'm not sane. |
| 23:02.32 | gerd | yes, but i dont understand, what "make oldconfig" just did |
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| 23:02.47 | cmatheso1 | dondelelcaro: yeah i've always wondered--why is exim debian's default? |
| 23:02.48 | dondelelcaro | gerd: it used the values of your old .config to make a new .config. |
| 23:02.58 | Draconicus | Has anyone figured out why Firefox is such crap in Linux binary forms? |
| 23:02.59 | dondelelcaro | cmatheso1: because it is. |
| 23:03.08 | dondelelcaro | Draconicus: you'll have to be 100000 times less vague. |
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| 23:03.22 | myren | wow, that was a rediculously fast update. i feel like my really really fast ram settings made an insane difference, even though its not DDR ram |
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| 23:03.28 | gerd | dondelelcaro, the old config i just configured? |
| 23:03.29 | furrywolf | dondelelcaro: all the same things I said about it, would be my guess. :P |
| 23:03.46 | dondelelcaro | gerd: no, whatever is in .config. |
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| 23:04.00 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 23:04.40 | Draconicus | dondelelcaro: It wasn't a request for help, just idle conversation. We all know Firefox has seemingly thrice the bugginess on Linux, particularly Debian's packaged version. |
| 23:04.57 | Draconicus | I'm considering trying the source, since that's generally better, but I'd think the package for something like that would be fine.. |
| 23:05.01 | dondelelcaro | Draconicus: uh, no, we don't all know that. If there are bugs, file them. |
| 23:05.16 | gvrocha | hi... I am kind of new to linux and I need to install a package from the ".deb" file. I tried fiddling with the sources.list file but that was for no use. |
| 23:05.27 | dondelelcaro | gvrocha: man dpkg; read about dpkg -i foo.deb; |
| 23:05.45 | Draconicus | dondelelcaro: It's hard to determine bugs when the app just randomly dies without much error message and sucks up twice the resources that it should on multiple occasions. |
| 23:05.52 | Draconicus | Anyway, I'm not going to worry about it. |
| 23:05.58 | dondelelcaro | Draconicus: that's what core files and gdb are for. |
| 23:06.01 | Draconicus | I was just wondering if there was an obvious reason. |
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| 23:06.26 | rpozo | hi all |
| 23:06.34 | gvrocha | deondelelcaro: I've heard you may run into trouble by trying to install things without using the apt-get thingy. Anything I should watch out for? |
| 23:06.38 | Shadowcat | Draconicus: never done that for me |
| 23:06.46 | Draconicus | Odd... |
| 23:06.49 | Draconicus | Very odd. |
| 23:06.52 | Shadowcat | and I've used firefox regularly since debian testing rc1 |
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| 23:07.05 | Shadowcat | and when I say rc1 I mean the sarge rc1 |
| 23:07.14 | Draconicus | So yours doesn't eat up over 100MB of memory in its simplest form? |
| 23:07.19 | Shadowcat | no |
| 23:07.25 | dondelelcaro | gvrocha: you may, but when you've just got a .deb; that's how you install it. |
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| 23:07.47 | Draconicus | Strange. I've reinstalled it a few times. I dunno. |
| 23:07.55 | Shadowcat | your extensions leak |
| 23:07.57 | Shadowcat | track them down |
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| 23:08.26 | rpozo | i have a really odd question. i've got a network i'm working on which HAD two network segments (192.168.1.x and 192.168.0.x). we are bringing everything over to 192.168.0.x but need to keep 192.168.1.x running on one box in the meantime. So, I have two nics in a machine and on one I have a 192.168.0.64 address on a 255.255.255.0 subnet and on the other I have a 192.168.1.7 address on the same 255.255.255.0 subnet. I can ping from everywhere |
| 23:08.30 | ChrisW | hmmm, "mail address@example.com < test.txt" gives me an error saying the mail command could not be found |
| 23:08.34 | ChrisW | what package is that in? |
| 23:08.35 | rpozo | same machine, same stuff |
| 23:08.38 | ChrisW | I just installed exim4 |
| 23:08.45 | ChrisW | what should I be doing? |
| 23:08.49 | rpozo | been trying to figure it out all day. really need some assistance here |
| 23:08.51 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: mailx |
| 23:09.06 | DB_ | You can no longer go to a url in your copy buffer in firefox with a middle click? Is this a bug or a feature? |
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| 23:09.27 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: what is the actual problem? you got truncated at "I can ping from everywhere" |
| 23:09.28 | Shadowcat | that middle click is a feature of the wm |
| 23:09.30 | Shadowcat | not firefox |
| 23:09.38 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: command not found for that too :-S |
| 23:09.46 | rpozo | I can ping from everywhere but cannot access any information from the 1.7 address. i can access everything from the 0.64 address. |
| 23:09.52 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: no, it's in the package 'mailx' |
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| 23:10.18 | abunic | can anyone help I was trying to install HOMM 3 for linux x86 and I got this message when trying to run the install script that came with it "this instalation does not support glibc-2.1 on x86" |
| 23:10.19 | Shadowcat | DoppelGanger: because you haven't installed the Lunch extension |
| 23:10.33 | DoppelGanger | Shadowcat: crap your right thanks for the heads up :) |
| 23:10.35 | DB_ | Shadowcat: The middle click still works... Previously, when you middle click on the "body" of firefox, it would go to that url...After upgrading (sid) today, it doesn't. |
| 23:10.37 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: what you should do instead is change the netmasks on the machines to 255.255.254.0; then your machines will match the actual setup. |
| 23:10.39 | xoz | rpozo: ip forwarding? |
| 23:10.41 | rpozo | i guess i need to know what the route is I would need to setup in order to make the two networks talk to each other properly without issue |
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| 23:10.57 | xoz | rpozo: guidedog |
| 23:10.58 | DB_ | Shadowcat: I can still middle-click paste into the location bar, but that's much less helpful |
| 23:11.10 | Shadowcat | DB_: there's a freaking reason you don't run production systems off sid |
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| 23:11.12 | Shadowcat | god |
| 23:11.16 | Shadowcat | !sidsmite DB_ |
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| 23:11.29 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: assuming these two logical subnets are on the same physical subnet, of course. |
| 23:11.34 | gvrocha | Can anyone tell me how to mark a package as 'held'? |
| 23:11.38 | DB_ | I didn't bring a shitty attitude into this query. There's no reason you need to either, Shadowcat |
| 23:11.38 | rpozo | dondelelcaro: help me out here for a sec. why does 255.255.254.0 match but 255.255.255.0 not match with a 192.168.0.x address schema? |
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| 23:11.52 | Shadowcat | DB_: if you run packages from sid |
| 23:11.54 | Shadowcat | expect bugs |
| 23:12.09 | Shadowcat | and don't expect people to help you fix them either |
| 23:12.10 | DB_ | Shadowcat: I was asking if this was a bug, or an intended change. Nothing more. |
| 23:12.20 | Shadowcat | DB_: bugs.debian.org |
| 23:12.23 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: 255.255.255.0 means that only 192.168.0/24 is on the same physical network. Since 192.168.1/24 is also there, the correct netmask is 255.255.254.0 |
| 23:12.24 | Shadowcat | check if anyone else's filed it |
| 23:12.31 | DoppelGanger | Shadowcat: why would i expect bugs running "UNSTABLE" :)? |
| 23:12.31 | rpozo | remember, it is only this one machine that I need to get up and running on the network for all the users to access temporarily. the 1.x address will be going away in a few days. |
| 23:12.41 | xoz | rpozo: 255.255.255.0 seems ok |
| 23:12.54 | Shadowcat | DoppelGanger: heh |
| 23:13.03 | DoppelGanger | sarcasim |
| 23:13.20 | DoppelGanger | in re to dondelelcaro |
| 23:13.21 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: the issue being that you can't send packets from 192.168.0/24 to 192.168.1/24 without going through a gateway if the netmask is set as you've set it. |
| 23:13.21 | Shadowcat | I sensed that |
| 23:13.21 | DoppelGanger | doh |
| 23:13.23 | DoppelGanger | DB_: |
| 23:13.26 | DB_ | Shadowcat: As far as I can see, there's no bug on this topic. |
| 23:13.28 | litage | if xfree86 v4 is installed, why does `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` not rewrite /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 23:13.54 | ecobit | what changed with the ABI? |
| 23:14.08 | matttt | can anyone recommend a python ide for knoppix ? |
| 23:14.14 | dondelelcaro | matttt: #knoppix can. |
| 23:14.32 | dondelelcaro | litage: most likely because you've edit the config file. /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 23:14.39 | Shadowcat | !knoppix |
| 23:14.39 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 23:15.11 | rpozo | dondelelcaro: i gotcha, however, in the interest of not redefining our network since it's only a few days (and a lot of boxes) what would the gateway be set to on the 1.x so that the 0.x can see it no prob and vice versa? |
| 23:15.41 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: you can only have one default gateway. What you need is a machine that has a 1.1 address and a 0.1 address to send packets between the two logical subnets. |
| 23:15.52 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: that's a fairly trivial thing to do. |
| 23:15.58 | matttt | the knoppix/debina seems a sore point, sorry if offended anyone. |
| 23:16.02 | myren | frak my car computer is so rediculously faster than my laptop. both 800 mhz.... |
| 23:16.04 | xoz | 1.x network -> gateway with 1.x address and 0.x address -> 0.x network |
| 23:16.15 | xoz | rpozo: 1.x network -> gateway with 1.x address and 0.x address -> 0.x network |
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| 23:16.45 | MobyTurbo | matttt: there are nearly 800 people in this channel interested in Debian-specific answers, we don't have enough bandwidth to accompany every distro that uses deb files here. |
| 23:16.59 | dondelelcaro | MobyTurbo: I think matttt has gotten the point already. |
| 23:17.11 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 23:17.24 | rpozo | dondelelcaro: I've got another machine with 2 nics. what do i do? |
| 23:17.34 | dondelelcaro | rpozo: just set it up on your gateway. |
| 23:17.36 | myren | matttt: you'd have better luck in #python anyways |
| 23:17.50 | matttt | thanks, and sorry again. |
| 23:17.51 | myren | and i await to discussion there |
| 23:18.04 | gerd | --added-modules=pcmcia-cs,alsa-driver --added-patches=debianlogo,other,patches --config=menuconfig kernel_image modules_image |
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| 23:18.14 | gerd | what is modules_image? my initrd? |
| 23:18.21 | dondelelcaro | gerd: no. |
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| 23:18.31 | dondelelcaro | gerd: it's where pcmcia-cs and alsa-driver get built |
| 23:18.37 | litage | what happens if you give `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` the wrong value for the amount of ram your video card has? |
| 23:18.54 | dondelelcaro | litage: in most cases, not much; modern cards should be autodetected. |
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| 23:19.07 | xoz | rpozo: set one nic to have addr in one network and set the other to have address of the other network ... like 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:19.09 | myren | grub looks like its stalling probing BIOS devices, shiza |
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| 23:19.12 | ttz | hi there |
| 23:19.17 | ttz | does anyone know where Xorg modules (dbe, glx, dri, ...) are documented ? |
| 23:19.21 | litage | dondelelcaro: my video card's pretty old: GeForce2 MX400 |
| 23:19.23 | ttz | I can't find a description of them, as well as a list of available options |
| 23:19.27 | gerd | dondelelcaro, what should i use? just "."? |
| 23:19.28 | dondelelcaro | litage: that's not that old. |
| 23:19.35 | litage | it's years old! :) |
| 23:20.06 | gerd | may you give me an example? |
| 23:20.11 | dondelelcaro | litage: yes, but it's not more than a decade old... |
| 23:20.15 | dondelelcaro | gerd: an example of what? |
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| 23:20.25 | ChrisW | phew |
| 23:20.27 | gerd | i have no clue whyt to type in there... |
| 23:20.31 | ChrisW | well, that was a lot more painless than I'd feared |
| 23:20.34 | litage | dondelelcaro: true, so i guess we have different ideas on what's old =) |
| 23:20.59 | gerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.05 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro/ Eulex: thanks very much for the help! |
| 23:21.32 | Eulex | ChrisW, yw |
| 23:21.53 | ChrisW | hurm, do I need an MTA installed on these servers for mail to get sent? |
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| 23:22.00 | ChrisW | they're supposed to use an external smtp server |
| 23:22.07 | _xavier__ | could someone tell me how to make it list tohe the total number of results when I do ls -l *.jpg |
| 23:22.12 | ChrisW | but I'm owrried local stuff won't get out if there's no MTA installed |
| 23:22.14 | ChrisW | am I mad? |
| 23:22.42 | initech | ChrisW: just use ssmtp if you just need a local mailer |
| 23:22.44 | ttz | by |
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| 23:22.53 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: just use nullmailer or something |
| 23:23.11 | ChrisW | initech: I don't need a local mailer, I need ot get ANY mail sent to any address on these servers to get sent to me at my address |
| 23:23.19 | ChrisW | I think that's happening, but not sure how I can test |
| 23:23.23 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: yes, that's what nullmailer does. |
| 23:23.26 | initech | ChrisW: that's what I mean |
| 23:23.28 | ChrisW | mailx tries to drag in exim4 |
| 23:23.35 | ChrisW | hmm |
| 23:23.46 | ChrisW | aptitude install nullmailer all I need to do? |
| 23:23.48 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: it just tries to install that by default. If you've already installed a mail-transport-agent, exim4 won't be installed. |
| 23:23.56 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: yes. or ssmtp if you like ssmtp. |
| 23:23.58 | redtime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.02 | redtime | hm |
| 23:24.05 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: what#s the difference? |
| 23:24.31 | gvrocha | I have installed a package from its .deb file and now I am supposed to mark it so that it is not automatically updated. Is this what the hold in the synaptic manager does? |
| 23:24.47 | initech | gvrocha: yes |
| 23:24.50 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: there's a bit of difference; nullmailer actually does queueing... |
| 23:25.03 | ChrisW | nullmailer it is then ;-) |
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| 23:25.46 | gvrocha | How come that I have used dpkg to install a package from the .deb file and it now shows up in the synaptic manager? Can anyone explain me how this happens? Does dpkg -i also take care of dependencies? |
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| 23:26.52 | myren | grub-install is to a /dev/hda, not a /dev/hdaN right |
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| 23:27.00 | dondelelcaro | gvrocha: dpkg -i doesn't install dependencies, but it makes sure they are installed (or it errors) |
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| 23:27.24 | _xavier__ | could someone tell me how to make it list tohe the total number of results when I do ls -l *.jpg |
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| 23:27.43 | akusarujin | does anyone know if there are settings for X that alter the brightness level of a display? |
| 23:27.57 | abrotman | _xavier__: man wc |
| 23:28.02 | _xavier__ | thanx |
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| 23:28.14 | dondelelcaro | akusarujin: in some cases, yes; see xgamma |
| 23:28.32 | VoX | james doohan died :( |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | VoX: this morning |
| 23:28.59 | akusarujin | dondelelcaro, do you mean that as a configuration setting within X's configuration? or something off to the side (i.e. should i be man'ing xgamma?)? |
| 23:29.36 | dondelelcaro | akusarujin: yes, man xgamma; |
| 23:29.59 | akusarujin | dondelelcaro, thanks for the information, i'll check it out. :) |
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| 23:31.24 | SNow | what is the problem with apache: when there is an folder named 'images' it says: The requested URL /images/ was not found on this server. and when I rename it to image it works fine then! What is the problem? |
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| 23:32.16 | `UD | when i remote desktop using a vncviewer from windows to a linux machine, i should still get the linux desktop right, icons menu etc? |
| 23:32.20 | abrotman | SNow: directory alias ? |
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| 23:32.35 | SNow | thanks |
| 23:32.36 | kiu112 | debian-boot |
| 23:32.43 | abrotman | `UD: instead of what ? |
| 23:32.57 | `UD | abrotman: i get one xterm window and now icons or menu |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | `UD: that's no good :) |
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| 23:34.04 | `UD | abrotman: tyring to work out what is wrong with it, but not getting any where fast |
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| 23:35.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what was wrong with dpkg ? |
| 23:35.08 | xoz | `UD: .vnc/xstartup |
| 23:35.26 | xoz | `UD: ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 23:35.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: standard IPC screwups... |
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| 23:35.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: cute :) |
| 23:35.35 | SNow | how could I see Am I ddosed or not ? |
| 23:35.43 | SNow | Is there an abillity to prevent ddos attacks ? |
| 23:35.45 | kiu112 | hi, i just tried to install sarge 3.1 (linuxtag edition) on a sata system with software raid 1 as boot partition. Lilo failed completely to install and grub seems to be installed on the first disk only - is that normal ? |
| 23:35.47 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: every now and then something breaks, and it makes a few thousand semaphores. |
| 23:35.48 | `UD | xoz: startup stuff in there ? i'll check it out |
| 23:35.57 | xoz | `UD: yep |
| 23:36.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i guess that's too many eh ? :) |
| 23:36.10 | `UD | xoz: ahh.. thanks |
| 23:36.12 | abrotman | wtf is linuxtag edition ? |
| 23:36.14 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: basically, yes. |
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| 23:36.19 | abrotman | do i realy want to know ? |
| 23:36.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's sarge... |
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| 23:36.42 | SNow | How Could I see that I am DDosed or not |
| 23:36.48 | kiu112 | abrotman: hehe, its a 3.1 dvd image |
| 23:36.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's actually a really cool DVD that can boot ppc, amd64 and i386 and install debian. |
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| 23:37.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're scaring me :) |
| 23:37.08 | SNow | Jul 20 23:32:54 (none) sendmail[6824]: j6KNWs6v006824: to=partner@hyipranks.com, ctladdr=www-data (33/33), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30327, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j6KNWsNv006825 Message accepted for delivery) |
| 23:37.11 | SNow | is this ddos attack ? |
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| 23:37.29 | dondelelcaro | um, no. That's sendmail accepting a message for delivery. |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | SNow: that's mail |
| 23:37.41 | Wyzard | lol |
| 23:37.49 | robgood | ddosed |
| 23:37.49 | abrotman | actually .. apparently spam .. but i'm not bayesian spam filter |
| 23:37.52 | Ronin | SNow: if you were being ddosd you wouldn't be here |
| 23:37.52 | ldexter | If you're running an 8086, maybe. |
| 23:37.59 | robgood | denialed of service? |
| 23:38.01 | SNow | The box is dedicated |
| 23:38.08 | robgood | lol a packet sniffer |
| 23:38.12 | robgood | ehtereal or ettercap or tcpdump |
| 23:38.13 | abrotman | SNow: it's an email message .. settle down |
| 23:38.14 | robgood | etcc.. |
| 23:38.16 | SNow | noone is not mailing to anybody that mail |
| 23:38.24 | SDFH_Linux | is it safe to do a upgrade of firefox only on a stable debian? |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | too many negatives |
| 23:38.41 | SDFH_Linux | even though it wants to put gcc 4 and some other package with ++ on the end of it |
| 23:38.44 | xoz | you'been SNowed |
| 23:38.45 | robgood | LINUX ROX |
| 23:38.49 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: why would you ? |
| 23:38.59 | SDFH_Linux | new firefox 1.06 came out |
| 23:39.03 | abrotman | so? |
| 23:39.07 | abrotman | why are yoiu upgrading ? |
| 23:39.11 | SDFH_Linux | i would like to upgrade to it |
| 23:39.22 | SDFH_Linux | so its not safe to then? |
| 23:39.32 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Sounds like you're talking about installing a package from unstable on stable |
| 23:39.39 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: havne't you been here the last few days .. where we tell everyone sid is currently a big pile of fuckedup ? |
| 23:39.51 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: If there's C++ involved, that's probably not a very good idea due to the GCC transition |
| 23:39.51 | SDFH_Linux | yep |
| 23:39.57 | SDFH_Linux | thats what i figured |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | and secondly .. no .. it's not a good idea |
| 23:40.11 | ChrisW | right guys, 4 debian servers now on Sarge, thanks again |
| 23:40.12 | abrotman | at any point |
| 23:40.15 | ChrisW | g'night |
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| 23:40.27 | SDFH_Linux | i just wanted to double check if thats the program that would plunge that box into chaos |
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| 23:40.51 | SNow | how ddos attack commits ? |
| 23:40.51 | SNow | ;] |
| 23:40.57 | SNow | the internet slows down yes? |
| 23:40.58 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: chaos .. gentle word for what would actually happen |
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| 23:41.03 | Rawplayer | yes SNow |
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| 23:41.05 | robgood | knoced offline to huge latency |
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| 23:41.11 | Rawplayer | the internet isnt functioning anymore |
| 23:41.22 | Rawplayer | the whole world is unreachable then |
| 23:41.32 | SDFH_Linux | i got this box with two broken packages because of running mixed |
| 23:41.32 | wishie | i have a machine that boots and runs a fullscreen SDL app. id like to be able to VNC to that machine, but it doesnt run X at all..is there a VNC type package for framebuffers or something ? |
| 23:41.33 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 23:41.53 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: good idea |
| 23:41.55 | robgood | wishie, ssh ? |
| 23:42.12 | wishie | robgood: how can ssh assist me ? |
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| 23:42.17 | SDFH_Linux | so i think i leave the other one alone |
| 23:42.34 | kiu112 | wishie: run it in screen and reattach it via ssh |
| 23:42.40 | robgood | wishie not sure, lol i didnt read the whole thing when i msged you |
| 23:42.50 | Eulex | SDFH_Linux, you should get rid of all traces of sid you got on that machine |
| 23:42.51 | wishie | heh |
| 23:43.02 | xoz | wishie: directvnc |
| 23:43.03 | SDFH_Linux | how i do that? |
| 23:43.13 | wishie | directvnc hey ? |
| 23:43.20 | Eulex | SDFH_Linux, downgrade the packages from sid |
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| 23:43.48 | xoz | wishie: svncviewer |
| 23:43.54 | SDFH_Linux | ok how i do that |
| 23:44.01 | wishie | hmm, they are both vitriol xoz |
| 23:44.17 | wishie | i need a VNC server to export the display on the remote box |
| 23:44.54 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
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| 23:45.34 | Eulex | SDFH_Linux, man apt-get and read about install |
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| 23:45.53 | Eulex | seconf paragraph |
| 23:46.00 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 23:46.06 | Eulex | *second |
| 23:46.10 | dfinn | any AIDE users on here, I got a question about the annoying dead symlink messages I can't get rid of |
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| 23:46.26 | ioerror | I'm attempting to use make-kpkg to build a custom kernel with an added module in /usr/src/modules/cloop/ My command is: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --added-modules cloop kernel-image --initrd --rev foo.00 and for some reason, i'm unable to get cloop into the initrd it doesn't seem to build it. |
| 23:46.48 | ioerror | However when i do a make-kpkg modules_image it does build it and it makes a module .deb in /usr/src |
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| 23:47.09 | xoz | ioerror: check /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 23:47.42 | aaronlin | I used netinst to get debian up, but now I'm trying to get KDE. However, when I use aptitude to install X Windows, my computer freezes. Does this happen always? It has been the fourth time it happened to me. It freezes in different places. |
| 23:48.16 | aaronlin | I've already got the packages, but in the middle of the installation it just stalls on the same package. |
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| 23:48.22 | ioerror | xoz, so it seems like that ocmmand should build cloop, right? |
| 23:48.33 | `UD | xoz: oh kewl, i got kde started, i found an example online.. thanks |
| 23:48.38 | abrotman | aaronlin: HDD full ? |
| 23:48.46 | aaronlin | abrotman: It shouldn't be. I have 40 gigs. |
| 23:48.53 | aaronlin | The files could at most be 1-2 gigs. |
| 23:48.56 | abrotman | aaronlin: not enough for KDE :) |
| 23:49.05 | aaronlin | abrotman: You're joking, right :)? |
| 23:49.11 | abrotman | !laugh |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | aaronlin: possible hardware problems ? |
| 23:49.47 | aaronlin | Hmm...I'm not sure. |
| 23:49.49 | aaronlin | Not that I know of |
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| 23:50.05 | abrotman | are you sure it's freezing .. and not just thinking really hard ? |
| 23:50.10 | aaronlin | could it be a host of any number of problems that I'll never be able to figure out? |
| 23:50.20 | Eulex | aaronlin, df -h |
| 23:50.33 | abrotman | aaronlin: how long does it "freeze" for ? |
| 23:50.41 | Om | Just checking: 'etch' now is the same level of stability that 'sarge' was a few months ago. And 'sarge' is now the *same* as 'woody' was a few months ago? |
| 23:50.41 | aaronlin | abrotman: Usually when it's processing something, I'm able to type text into the konsole |
| 23:50.52 | nono31 | Is gnome package currently broken? |
| 23:50.52 | aaronlin | abrotman: Until I reboot :) |
| 23:50.54 | abrotman | aaronlin: then it's nto frozen .. it's just hinking |
| 23:51.06 | Eulex | Om, yes |
| 23:51.08 | aaronlin | abrotman: No, I'm not able to type anything in when it freezes, I mean. |
| 23:51.18 | aaronlin | When it's processing I can, but not when it freezes. |
| 23:51.28 | Ronin | nono31: what specifically? |
| 23:51.30 | aaronlin | And it pauses on really small packages |
| 23:51.32 | aaronlin | like font packages |
| 23:51.35 | aaronlin | so I know it's not thinking. |
| 23:51.37 | nono31 | Ronin: apt-get -u install gnome |
| 23:52.04 | abrotman | nono31: in sid ? |
| 23:52.09 | Om | And what do I need to do to change from 'sarge' to 'etch' other than changing "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" to "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" in my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:52.19 | nono31 | abrotman: yeap: gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.10.1.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:52.26 | abrotman | Om: etch doesn't have security updates |
| 23:52.34 | wishie | aaronlin: this is during installation ? |
| 23:52.38 | abrotman | nono31: see topic |
| 23:52.41 | aaronlin | yeah |
| 23:52.44 | Om | Ah |
| 23:52.59 | wishie | aaronlin: have you tried switching to one of the other consoles, and seeing exactly what is happening ? |
| 23:53.03 | Eulex | Om, and you'd have to do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:53.07 | ioerror | does make-kpkg --added-modules FOO actually build /usr/src/modules/FOO ? |
| 23:53.23 | Om | So if I installed sarge a few months ago, then it will now *be* etch instead? |
| 23:53.29 | nono31 | abrotman: yeap... not talking about gnome in the topic... |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | Om: only if you want it to be |
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| 23:53.40 | aaronlin | I can't switch to other consoles once it has frozen. All keys stop responding. |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | nono31: see the GCC thing ? .. that affects basically .. EVERYTHING |
| 23:53.44 | Eulex | Om, well, if your sources.list states testing: yeah |
| 23:53.48 | Wyzard | ioerror: Yes, though it'd actually be "make-kpkg modules-image --added-modules FOO" |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | nono31: but you're right .. no gnome in the topic :) |
| 23:53.52 | Om | Okay :) |
| 23:54.01 | wishie | aaronlin: does it stop on the same package every time ? or random ? |
| 23:54.04 | aaronlin | random |
| 23:54.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: Only C++ |
| 23:54.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: just g++ .. not gcc ? |
| 23:54.23 | gerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.23 | gerd | drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:33:19: gamma.h: file not found |
| 23:54.26 | Eulex | abrotman, I still like to topicsmite people asking about breakage about anything in sid :) |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | the gcc abi isn't changing ? |
| 23:54.35 | gerd | anybody know if i need that? XD |
| 23:54.36 | aaronlin | each time it gets a little further but it is frustrating having to reboot repeatedly |
| 23:54.37 | abrotman | Eulex: i know |
| 23:54.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, the C++ ABI is the one that's changed... C ABI is still the same |
| 23:54.39 | kiu112 | aaronlin: anything unusual in /var/log/kern.log ? |
| 23:54.45 | ioerror | Wyzard, is there a way to have that module added to my kernel-image so it can be included in my initrd? |
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| 23:54.59 | aaronlin | kiu112: I will check |
| 23:55.01 | wishie | aaronlin: id check my ram if i were you. |
| 23:55.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: i find it hard to believe that 3.x to 4.x the C ABI didn't change ... but whatever |
| 23:55.13 | Wyzard | ioerror: Just run mkinitrd again after you install the module package |
| 23:55.34 | nono31 | abrotman: simple... gnome does not install because it can't install gedit because it can't install libaspell15c2... if I try install libaspell15c2 directly, it wants to remove kde... hum kde, gnome... we have to choose now! ;-) |
| 23:55.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: The C ABI is standardized; C++ currently has a sort of de-facto standard, but it's still having kinks ironed out |
| 23:55.43 | ioerror | Wyzard, i'm trying to just build a single package |
| 23:55.49 | abrotman | nono31: that libaspell is royally fucked .. wait a few days if you can |
| 23:55.59 | abrotman | nono31: or don't install the whole gnome thingie |
| 23:56.22 | aaronlin | I have 256mg RAM |
| 23:56.25 | aaronlin | I figure it would be enough. |
| 23:56.26 | cafuego | Wyzard: it's also having kinks ironed in, no? |
| 23:56.27 | abrotman | try just gnome-session |
| 23:56.37 | wishie | aaronlin: its enough, sure. but is it all perfect ? |
| 23:56.38 | Wyzard | ioerror: That make-kpkg command will give you a .deb with your module in it... after you've built and installed that .deb, use mkinitrd to regenerate your initrd, and the new module will be included if it's needed |
| 23:56.38 | nono31 | abrotman: I sure can! ;-) my wife was tired of kde... I wanted to put gnome... thx murphy... |
| 23:56.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: well .. still .. it was a major revision |
| 23:56.53 | kiu112 | aaronlin: get the iso, burn it and check you ram: http://www.memtest.org/ |
| 23:56.56 | wishie | aaronlin: i had a similar problem to you, and it ended up being that my ram was dodgey around the 240mb mark |
| 23:57.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: They don't go casually changing a stable ABI... that C ABI is used by all the other compiler vendors too |
| 23:57.15 | abrotman | nono31: you can try xfce .. many people like that |
| 23:57.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: tell that to the kernel people :) |
| 23:57.30 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 23:57.42 | ioerror | Wyzard, I just ran that command and it did not add /usr/src/modules/FOO to the kernel image |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | nono31: that libaspell has been causing all sorts of problems this week |
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| 23:58.08 | Eulex | libaspell the f0x0r |
| 23:58.10 | Wyzard | ioerror: No, it builds a separate package, in a separate .deb file, for the module |
| 23:58.12 | Eulex | *teh |
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| 23:58.22 | ioerror | right, i'd need this: |
| 23:58.32 | Wyzard | ioerror: Third-party modules are never included in a kernel-image package |
| 23:58.42 | ioerror | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --added-modules cloop kernel-image modules_image --initrd --rev foo.00 |
| 23:58.47 | nono31 | talking of my wife, she showed me there is still hope in mankind... she came at my office the other day and sat in from the computer (windows inside) and said: What a sh**t, it is windows!! I don't know how to use this sh**t!! |
| 23:58.51 | gvrocha | does anyone knows of a way to get a touchpad to do scrolling for the ubuntu disto? |
| 23:59.05 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 23:59.06 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 23:59.06 | cafuego | !kp mantra |
| 23:59.06 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | gvrocha: wrong channel |
| 23:59.27 | Wyzard | ioerror: The --initrd isn't necessary when building third-party modules, and I'm not sure whether --rev is necessary, but neither of them is harmful... that'll give you a cloop-<version>.deb which you should then install |
| 23:59.27 | nono31 | abrotman: xfce... don't know... I am a fluxbox fan... but my wife is quite used to user friendly environment... |
| 23:59.39 | Eulex | nono31, hehe |
| 23:59.42 | kiu112 | is it safe to run a shellscript via /etc/passwd as users shell ? Can the user escape the script and get a real shell ? |
| 23:59.43 | abrotman | nono31: really .. try xfce .. anything is better than KDE :) |
| 23:59.46 | Thorrn4 | hello!! I was wondering: why does the Debian Package of Firefox released later than the Overall Linux release? (on apt-get) |
| 23:59.49 | gvrocha | hum... how would you do that in debian? it should be the same for ubuntu, right? |
