| 00:00.06 | abrotman | gvrocha: you're in the wrong channel .. ask #ubuntu |
| 00:00.06 | ioerror | Wyzard, the initrd is needed for another reason, it's unrelated to the FOO module except that FOO has to be there |
| 00:00.24 | gvrocha | thanks |
| 00:00.44 | nono31 | Thorrn4: because you're not yet helping the debian maintener taking your free time to release the package! |
| 00:00.50 | Wyzard | ioerror: I know, but modules aren't built differently depending on whether they'll be used in an initrd; that flag only applies to compiling the kernel itself |
| 00:01.01 | zebalin | Thorrn4: It had to be packaged into deb format and tested. It was only a few hours later. Sometimes its a day or two. |
| 00:01.04 | Eulex | Thorrn4, it's available in apt WIR and SIYH |
| 00:01.12 | nono31 | abrotman: I'll take a look at xfce :-) |
| 00:01.22 | abrotman | nono31: and then try gnome again in a few days |
| 00:01.39 | kiu112 | Eulex: WIR and SIYH ? |
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| 00:01.58 | Eulex | nono31, I hope you'll get stuck in xfce :) I mean, not because of apt |
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| 00:02.03 | Eulex | !wir |
| 00:02.03 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 00:02.06 | Eulex | !siyh |
| 00:02.07 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 00:02.16 | kiu112 | thx |
| 00:02.27 | ioerror | Wyzard, so after i install those two packages, i should re-run the mkinitrd and it will recreate the initrd based on the /etc/mkinitrd/* configs and copy it to the correct kernel version and it will then include module FOO ? |
| 00:02.43 | pureone | !syn |
| 00:02.43 | dpkg | ACK |
| 00:02.44 | kiu112 | Eulex: i thought thats an abbreviation for special apt repositories :) |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | !ack |
| 00:02.52 | dpkg | *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* |
| 00:03.00 | abrotman | !fin |
| 00:03.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, fin is Microsoft's "Freedom To Innovate Network", at http://www.microsoft.com/freedomtoinnovate/. Freedom for only themselves not for their competitors |
| 00:03.01 | rbochan | ooo.. urinals |
| 00:03.02 | Eulex | kiu112, hehe |
| 00:03.08 | Wyzard | ioerror: It will regenerate the initrd, and if mkinitrd determines that the FOO module is needed at boot time (based on whatever algorithm it uses for that), it will be included |
| 00:03.11 | Eulex | !ping |
| 00:03.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:03.35 | Downix | !ping |
| 00:03.35 | abrotman | !pong |
| 00:03.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:03.35 | dpkg | methinks pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
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| 00:03.54 | Eulex | hehe |
| 00:03.57 | litage | how would i do an `apt-get upgrade` only for security packages? |
| 00:04.07 | abrotman | litage: are you only using sarge ? |
| 00:04.11 | rbochan | litage: on sarge, that's all you'll get |
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| 00:04.30 | litage | abrotman: i'm using sarge |
| 00:04.32 | Ronin | litage: and the rest theres no such thing as security updates |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | litage: then you'll only be getting security updates at this point |
| 00:05.08 | ioerror | Wyzard, for me that means that after i install both of those packages, i have a broken system |
| 00:05.11 | litage | abrotman: and is that because the only changes being made to sarge are security updates? |
| 00:05.18 | Wyzard | ioerror: How so? |
| 00:05.35 | stew | litage: yes |
| 00:05.39 | litage | thanks guys |
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| 00:06.41 | ioerror | Wyzard, unless i run mkinitrd by hand, i don't have a system that can boot. Module FOO is required for booting in my special use case. That's why I wished I could just build a kernel-image that generates a single deb with all my modules (including module FOO) and it will generate a working initrd for me. Everything would work for that kernel once it's installed. Not two package installs and a mkinitrd later... |
| 00:07.34 | ioerror | I mean, why even have the --initrd switch if it doesn't work properly? |
| 00:07.50 | abrotman | litage: mostly yes |
| 00:07.51 | ioerror | It only works for mainline kernel modules and that's not helpful |
| 00:08.26 | rbochan | buy odd hardware, that's the prive you pay, unfortunately |
| 00:08.30 | Wyzard | ioerror: The initrd is generated from the kernel-image package's postinst script, and I think postinst scripts are run during the "configure" step, which happens after all the packages in the current operation have been unpacked, so if you install both the kernel-image and module debs at the same time, you might not need to run mkinitrd by hand |
| 00:08.33 | rbochan | *price |
| 00:09.02 | Wyzard | ioerror: --initrd means that a) the built kernel will mount an intrd rather than trying to mount a real device directly, and b) the kernel-image package will run mkinitrd automatically when you install it, as a convenience |
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| 00:09.20 | Wyzard | ioerror: Both of those things work as intended, so I'd say --initrd works fine |
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| 00:10.45 | mejo | hello |
| 00:11.02 | rbochan | instead of making complaints about linux, you should be making complaints to the manufacturer about thier interoperability |
| 00:11.06 | Eulex | !greet mejo |
| 00:11.07 | dpkg | Bonjour, mejo |
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| 00:11.47 | mejo | i try to set the Maildir folder in exim from ldap, but only if the appropriate entry exists. |
| 00:11.48 | rbochan | or lack there of |
| 00:11.52 | mejo | .ifdef ${extract{mailMessageStore}{$address_data}} |
| 00:11.52 | mejo | MAILDIR_HOME_MAILDIR_LOCATION = ${extract{mailMessageStore}{$address_data}} |
| 00:11.52 | mejo | .endif |
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| 00:12.02 | mejo | this is my idea, but unfortunately it doesn't work. |
| 00:12.21 | Eulex | mejo, *please* do not paste in here -- two more lines and you had been kicked |
| 00:12.38 | abrotman | and #ldap or #exim would be more help |
| 00:12.55 | mejo | without the .ifdef ... .endif it works, but sets a empty MAILDIR_HOME_MAILDIR_LOCATION if no appropriate ldap entry exists. |
| 00:13.06 | mejo | abrotman: both channels are rather silent. |
| 00:13.13 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 00:13.14 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:13.33 | abrotman | mejo: it's more than likely too specific for anyone here |
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| 00:14.12 | Ronin | Eulex: you memorizing those triggers or something? :) |
| 00:14.28 | ungoliant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.36 | shingouz | Ronin: some of us actually have shortcuts for a few triggers |
| 00:15.02 | Eulex | Ronin, dpkg's cool -- I missed him earlier today :) |
| 00:15.11 | Ronin | heh |
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| 00:15.31 | Eulex | he had some standin called badgers |
| 00:15.45 | shingouz | that was his stunt |
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| 00:17.28 | abrotman | mejo: no answer in either channel at all ? |
| 00:17.42 | ioerror | Wyzard, I'll try installing both of them together but if that doesn't work, there should at the very least be a note telling people initrd doesn't work in a useful way if you require modules in /usr/src/modules but i won't jump the gun on that one just yet |
| 00:17.44 | abrotman | and is it exim3 or 4? |
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| 00:19.38 | Wyzard | ioerror: It's not that "initrd doesn't work", just that mkinitrd is being run at a time before you have all your necessary modules installed |
| 00:19.56 | D3im0X | buenas tardes |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:20.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | !pt |
| 00:20.19 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:20.30 | abrotman | should cover both :) |
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| 00:20.44 | shingouz | covered |
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| 00:20.55 | afaict | Good evening folks... Hi FOLKS |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:21.03 | afaict | :D |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | I"M A FUNCTIONALLY OVERLOADED KERNEL! |
| 00:21.27 | shingouz | abrotman: you sure you have had enough caffeine and sugar tonight? |
| 00:21.33 | ioerror | Wyzard, mkinitrd is being called at the wrong time IMHO if that's the case |
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| 00:21.50 | Eulex | abrotman, tsst -- you're scaring people away, just look at ndemir ;P |
| 00:21.52 | ioerror | the build just finished and the install is done now, so i'll tell you if the mkinitrd does infact get generated that way |
| 00:21.54 | afaict | Im using SID and one key of my keyboard is not working under XFREE |
| 00:21.58 | abrotman | shingouz: i had PB&J for dindin(and glass of water) .. going for granola now .. not much caffiene or sugar |
| 00:22.02 | Pendragon | How do you untar a .zip extension in debian? |
| 00:22.02 | rbochan | why, because you bought hardware from a company that doesn't interopt? |
| 00:22.06 | Pendragon | do you use the tar command? |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | Pendragon: uther knows! |
| 00:22.22 | Eulex | Pendragon, you use unzip |
| 00:22.24 | Ronin | abrotman: ouch |
| 00:22.24 | Wyzard | ioerror: The kernel package's postinst script can't really run it at any other time than when the kernel package is installed, since that's when postinst scripts are run |
| 00:22.25 | abrotman | Pendragon: unzip |
| 00:22.27 | shingouz | abrotman: you need to correct that as soon as possible. you are scary without cafffeine |
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| 00:22.37 | abrotman | shingouz: i don't drink much anymore at all |
| 00:22.41 | afaict | Why I cant use one key of my keyboard under XFREE ... |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | shingouz: caffiene i mean |
| 00:22.45 | Eulex | shingouz, hehe |
| 00:22.45 | shingouz | eek |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | shingouz: i don't like coffee .. and only a soda in AM and noonish |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | other than that .. beer or water :) |
| 00:23.19 | Wyzard | ioerror: Running mkinitrd is just a convenience feature anyway, which just doesn't happen to be helpful to you; the main purpose of --initrd is to compile a kernel which will actually *use* the initrd you generate |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | sometimes juice |
| 00:23.26 | shingouz | abrotman: same here. no coffee but lots of coke and tea |
| 00:23.33 | afaict | ..... argh |
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| 00:23.41 | Eulex | afaict, what key? and press CTRL-ALT-F2 and press that key to see if you get any output |
| 00:23.53 | shingouz | afaict: you may have a busted keyboard too |
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| 00:23.58 | ioerror | Wyzard, sigh. That's one way to look at it i suppose |
| 00:24.10 | Pendragon | thanks |
| 00:24.12 | afaict | shingouz and Eulex its not working under XFREE... with console its working fine |
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| 00:24.15 | `UD | how hard is it to make an encrypted virtaul drive? |
| 00:24.23 | ioerror | Wyzard, i just see no point for you to be able to call --added-modules FOO with initrd unless you're going to get that module inside of the initrd |
| 00:24.46 | shingouz | afaict: is it a "normal" key or something special like the winduhs key? |
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| 00:24.54 | Eulex | afaict, what key is it? and what DE are you running? |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | shingouz: coke is caffiene |
| 00:24.58 | afaict | shingouz, its not a winduhs key... |
| 00:25.13 | shingouz | abrotman: yes, i know. that is why i drink coke |
| 00:25.26 | abrotman | shingouz: oh ok |
| 00:25.27 | afaict | Eulex, its "/?" key and "\" key |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | shingouz: no mountain dew ? |
| 00:25.32 | shingouz | afaict: then what key is it? or do we get to guess? |
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| 00:25.40 | afaict | Eulex, i use abnt2 and layout br |
| 00:25.40 | shingouz | abrotman: no, not really |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | that sucks |
| 00:25.54 | afaict | shingouz, , its "/?" key and "\" key |
| 00:26.03 | Wyzard | ioerror: As I said earlier, the --initrd option only applies to building the kernel package, not modules packages... the make-kpkg manpage says so too, in bold text |
| 00:26.10 | abrotman | afaict: what keyboard layout did you choose ? |
| 00:26.13 | Eulex | afaict, "/?" key?? |
| 00:26.14 | shingouz | hm. |
| 00:26.20 | abrotman | Eulex: next to the shift key |
| 00:26.49 | shingouz | abrotman: this "-" is next to the shift here :p |
| 00:26.56 | afaict | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.56 | afaict | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | shingouz: cause you're weird :) |
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| 00:27.11 | Wyzard | ioerror: You could file a wishlist bug saying that kernel-package should report an error when --initrd is given when building modules, rather than silently ignoring it |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | wtf is abnt2 ? |
| 00:27.13 | Eulex | abrotman, not on a swedish keyboard :) |
| 00:27.16 | shingouz | abrotman: thank you. i have been working on it |
| 00:27.23 | afaict | abrotman, abnt2 is brazilian keyboard |
| 00:27.24 | veryto | hello |
| 00:27.25 | Wyzard | ioerror: but even that's dubious |
| 00:27.37 | veryto | is a long time |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | is the keyboard brazilian ? :) |
| 00:27.40 | ioerror | Wyzard, for the record, it does correctly make the initrd if you install both modules together |
| 00:27.42 | Eulex | afaict, #debian-br may be able to help |
| 00:27.49 | Wyzard | ioerror: cool, good to know |
| 00:27.55 | veryto | is happy |
| 00:27.56 | ioerror | Wyzard, so i'd say that it should warn people to do that. |
| 00:27.57 | shingouz | i was about to say the same about br |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | afaict: also .. you can try xev ... see if it even sends an event |
| 00:28.03 | veryto | very good |
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| 00:28.13 | ioerror | Wyzard, thank you for your help, i owe you a beverage |
| 00:28.14 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:28.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:28.26 | Wyzard | ioerror: You're welcome, and don't worry, I don't drink :-) |
| 00:28.38 | abrotman | Wyzard: beverage! .. it can be water! |
| 00:28.44 | abrotman | hot cocoa .. you know |
| 00:28.48 | ioerror | Wyzard, I said a beverage, i assumed you didn't drink ;-) |
| 00:28.53 | Wyzard | hehe ok |
| 00:28.58 | abrotman | jeez .. not everything involves alcohol . freaking potheads .. jeez |
| 00:29.06 | Wyzard | Nantucket Nectars Half & Half :-) |
| 00:29.09 | afaict | abrotman, yes, is receiving the event |
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| 00:29.16 | masteraccurate | hello |
| 00:29.18 | masteraccurate | i have some problem with my network after the installation of kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp, if i do "/etc/init.d/networking reboot" i get this error: "eth0: ERROR while getting interfaceflags: No such device; SIOCSIFADDR: No such devide; eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device" what to do? :( |
| 00:29.34 | afaict | abrotman, state 0x0, keycode 123 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | masteraccurate: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 00:29.59 | abrotman | afaict: i'd ask #debian-br .. my keyboard only has like 83 keys |
| 00:30.17 | afaict | abrotman, ok. tks. |
| 00:30.18 | masteraccurate | is loaded |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | what is loaded ? |
| 00:30.40 | abrotman | and it's /etc/init.d/networking restart .. not reboot |
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| 00:31.27 | masteraccurate | this i've get: Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=802 ether=16,0xd081a000,eth0; 8139cp: 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver v1.2 (Mar 22, 2004) |
| 00:31.32 | ioerror | Wyzard, real hackers drink fruit juice |
| 00:31.37 | abrotman | masteraccurate: from dmesg ? |
| 00:31.40 | masteraccurate | yes |
| 00:31.50 | abrotman | masteraccurate: guess what .. that's not going to help you |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | masteraccurate: should be like this |
| 00:31.58 | masteraccurate | y? |
| 00:32.07 | Wyzard | ioerror: You can't beat half-lemonade/half-iced-tea |
| 00:32.13 | abrotman | eth1: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95901A50) rev 3001 PHY(5705)] (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) 10/100B |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | etc |
| 00:32.30 | abrotman | !kill broadcom |
| 00:32.39 | masteraccurate | hmm what i can do? |
| 00:32.49 | masteraccurate | i don't know, please help me |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | masteraccurate: it seems your NIC isn't being recognized for some reason .. what kind is it ? |
| 00:33.03 | masteraccurate | without smp kernel it was working |
| 00:33.05 | Wyzard | masteraccurate: Load the right driver for your network card... 8139cp is probably not the right driver |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | masteraccurate: lspci | grep -i eth |
| 00:33.42 | Wyzard | The only thing I've seen that used 8139cp was an 8029 (old 10mbit card) |
| 00:33.54 | Wyzard | oddly enough |
| 00:34.08 | masteraccurate | 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10) |
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| 00:34.20 | rbochan | abrotman++ |
| 00:34.23 | Wyzard | Yep, abrotman was right |
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| 00:34.36 | masteraccurate | is it 8139cp or the other? |
| 00:34.42 | Wyzard | masteraccurate: The driver you want is "8139too", not "8139cp" |
| 00:34.48 | masteraccurate | ok.. moment |
| 00:35.30 | masteraccurate | ohh it seems so |
| 00:35.34 | abrotman | what do i win ? |
| 00:35.41 | rbochan | a boot to the head |
| 00:35.43 | Eulex | !win abrotman |
| 00:35.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:35.47 | masteraccurate | yes it works... thanks you all very mutch! :) good night |
| 00:35.53 | rbochan | and one for jenny and the wimp |
| 00:35.53 | cafuego | a chicken |
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| 00:36.40 | abrotman | don't you think we should have told him how to load that every time ? |
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| 00:36.48 | rbochan | heh |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | nono31: xfce! |
| 00:37.14 | Eulex | abrotman, he could modprobe it himself it seems, he probably knows |
| 00:37.16 | nono31 | abrotman: how do you know? |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | Eulex: ok |
| 00:37.36 | nono31 | abrotman: is xfce based on Gnome? |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | nono31: because .. i'm crazy? |
| 00:37.42 | abrotman | nono31: it's based on gtk |
| 00:37.52 | gerd | wich programm makes .deb's instead of "make install" for self-compiled programs? |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | !nm |
| 00:37.59 | dpkg | i heard nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 00:38.01 | abrotman | !mg |
| 00:38.01 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, it is also the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 00:38.05 | nono31 | abrotman: xfce seems dam ligth and well polished!!! |
| 00:38.07 | Wyzard | nono31: XFCE and GNOME both use GTK for their on-screen presentation, but that's all they have in common |
| 00:38.10 | abrotman | nono31: you likie? |
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| 00:39.08 | nono31 | abrotman: yeap... just a thing... is that possible to put icon on desktop ? (for my wife...) |
| 00:39.15 | Eulex | nono31, I was right, you got stuck -- sometimes sid breakage makes for good things |
| 00:39.22 | Eulex | nono31, no |
| 00:39.27 | oigres | Hi guys, is there a good replacement for xmule in Debian. I can't install the newest unstable version of xmule. There seem to be some unavailable libraries! |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | nono31: i don't use xfce .. i just know lots of people like it |
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| 00:40.01 | abrotman | nono31: you could attempt to start nautilus .. nfc what would explode though |
| 00:40.11 | Eulex | nono31, not without disabling xfdesktop and running somethink like idesk -- or waiting till 4.4, which will have desktop items |
| 00:40.20 | aaronlin | Normally, what do you do to get from netinst to a regular graphical desktop? |
| 00:40.37 | prodope | install xfree86 |
| 00:40.51 | Eulex | nono31, or this: http://www.myoo.de/xfce/index.php/Tips,_Tricks_and_Howtos#How_to_use_ROX_to_manage_your_desktop_in_order_to_have_desktop_icons_? |
| 00:40.56 | nono31 | Eulex: aiii it reduce my WAF ... :-( |
| 00:41.11 | MobyTurbo | aaronlin: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm favorite-window-manager |
| 00:41.23 | abrotman | aaronlin: whatever you choose |
| 00:41.37 | aaronlin | abrotman: what do people typically use? |
| 00:41.42 | Eulex | nono31, WAF? |
| 00:41.43 | tbx | awright, something screwy over there goes on.... using 3.1r0a minimal iso burn, the install sequence fails when it gets to retrieving the same file every time "nic-extra-modules...". I dl'd the iso twice, on different machines, and burnt each one on each respective different machine, and both do the same thing. Tarnation! |
| 00:41.58 | MobyTurbo | !poll |
| 00:41.58 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | aaronlin: depends on the person . i use gnome .. others use kde . some use blackbox or fluxbox .. many use wmaker or xfce |
| 00:42.06 | gerd | how to make an initrdimage after "make modules_install install"? |
| 00:42.22 | nono31 | WAF: woman acceptance factor... |
| 00:42.23 | aaronlin | abrotman: Which is the smallest? |
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| 00:42.51 | tbx | aaronlin: not kde. not gnome. |
| 00:43.06 | Eulex | nono31, teach her to launch things by clicking in the panel or right-clicking on the desktop :) |
| 00:43.08 | tbx | aaronlin: fluxbox is Pretty Damn Small. |
| 00:43.17 | abrotman | aaronlin: i'd suggest blackbox |
| 00:43.23 | nono31 | Eulex: is there a estimated date for 4.4 release? |
| 00:43.34 | aaronlin | abrotman: If I get x11, can I just run x11? |
| 00:43.36 | gerd | icewm if you miss your start-button ;) its also very small |
| 00:43.39 | MobyTurbo | aaronlin: if you really want to run the most minimal window managers available there are some even smaller then the ones mentioned. |
| 00:43.42 | aaronlin | Is that a desktop? What exactly is it? |
| 00:43.44 | tbx | aaronlin: fluxbox is blackbox without the "Why, Oh Why!?" |
| 00:43.58 | Wyzard | aaronlin: Fluxbox is a window manager |
| 00:43.59 | Eulex | nono31, sometime this autumn |
| 00:44.16 | Wyzard | aaronlin: If you want a lightweight desktop environment, try XFCE |
| 00:44.18 | MobyTurbo | aaronlin: x11 "does not make policy", in order to have an interface use seperate programs |
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| 00:44.51 | abrotman | aaronlin: you can .. but man .. it would suck |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | aaronlin: you can also try ratpoison |
| 00:44.58 | gerd | brb |
| 00:45.17 | tbx | chealer: havest thou any idea why two different burns of two different iso downloads are halting in the same position during install? |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | or ion3 or ion2 . whichever it is |
| 00:45.25 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: yeah, just run a couple of xterms. No click and drag though, it would suck |
| 00:45.44 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i don't use click and drag anyways .. but normal X is so ugly :) |
| 00:46.12 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: I sometimes like to minimize, and I like multiple desktops |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | sigh of relief! |
| 00:46.51 | Wyzard | right... |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: you been to a phillies game recently ? |
| 00:46.53 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: everyone looking at your digicam is also having a sigh of relief for not seeing you naked |
| 00:46.57 | Wyzard | abrotman: Not in years |
| 00:46.59 | oigres | Is there a good replacement for xmule in Debian. I can't install the newest unstable version of xmule. It seems some libraries are unavailable! |
| 00:47.07 | MobyTurbo | oigres: amule? |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: no .. i let my friend borrow it all day on saturday .. it's hard to tell what he'll do with it |
| 00:47.10 | tbx | oigres: aMule is good. |
| 00:47.17 | Eulex | abrotman, eh, there's people hi-jacking your digicam and doing norty things to it? ;) |
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| 00:47.24 | Eulex | oigres, see /topic |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: i was wondering what time the concession stands opened |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | and here .. i thought maher was like .. german or something |
| 00:47.41 | abrotman | Eulex: it was a street festival |
| 00:47.48 | Wyzard | abrotman: No idea, sorry |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: no problem |
| 00:48.02 | maher | abrotman: achtung! |
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| 00:48.16 | abrotman | maher: baby! |
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| 00:49.06 | maher | abrotman: maher is a german and austrian surname, as well as an irish surname and a middle eastern first name - there is also some indian nationalistic/religious group with that name |
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| 00:49.26 | maher | abrotman: i'm still deciding which one i am... |
| 00:49.31 | abrotman | maher: i'm austrian/tyrolian |
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| 00:49.34 | Eulex | maher, hehe |
| 00:49.36 | abrotman | partially anyways |
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| 00:50.00 | tbx | abrotman: it is also backwards for "recook the ham, dear, that last one is burnt!" [re-ham] |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:51.32 | mombof | how does one remove the libraries left over after apt-get remove |
| 00:51.40 | tbx | abrotman: also, back in the old, old days when catapults were en vogue, during wartime rocks and stones would become scarce, and catapult crews would resort to using medium-sized livestock, pigs being prime choices due to the blood-curdling screams they would emit during prjoctae. So common they were that the term "reload!" was soon replaced with "reham!". |
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| 00:51.53 | Eulex | mombof, deborphan, debfoster? |
| 00:51.59 | mombof | thx |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | tbx: wrong! |
| 00:52.11 | Osiris | where can i get a good popular sources.list? |
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| 00:52.15 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 00:52.17 | tbx | abrotman: no, seriously. History Channel! |
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| 00:52.30 | Osiris | i did it twice and it still says some of my sources can't be stat'd |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | tbx: not right/wrong .. just wrong :) |
| 00:52.39 | tbx | early psi-ops. |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | Osiris: do you ahve unofficial sources in there ? |
| 00:52.45 | owlmanatt_ | I did apt-get upgrade on a box this morning and it installed a new version of the kernel, and now none of my iptables modules will load |
| 00:52.48 | owlmanatt_ | They all give symbol errors |
| 00:52.54 | owlmanatt_ | Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:53.17 | abrotman | owlmanatt_: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | owlmanatt_: wait .. Sid ? |
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| 00:53.30 | owlmanatt_ | abrotman: Debian Sarge |
| 00:53.31 | stew | owlmanatt_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:53.34 | owlmanatt_ | No custom kernels involved |
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| 00:53.43 | owlmanatt_ | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:53.45 | Osiris | abrotman: yes |
| 00:53.46 | abrotman | were there upgrades this morning ? |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | Osiris: start commenting them out |
| 00:53.55 | owlmanatt_ | abrotman: I hadn't run upgrade in a few weeks |
| 00:54.00 | maher | abrotman: not kernel ones |
| 00:54.02 | Eulex | owlmanatt_, kernel before that were? |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | owlmanatt_: hrm |
| 00:54.12 | Osiris | can i just dl somoene else's premade list? |
| 00:54.19 | Eulex | Osiris, don |
| 00:54.20 | Eulex | 't |
| 00:54.32 | owlmanatt_ | Eulex: Same version, I think. I got a message saying that I had to reboot to regenerate the module file or something like that, like I usually do when the kernel versions are the same. |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | Osiris: make your own .. it's better |
| 00:54.38 | owlmanatt_ | I rebooted. |
| 00:54.45 | owlmanatt_ | And shit blew up. |
| 00:54.54 | stew | owlmanatt_: what happens when you run "modprobe iptable_filter"? |
| 00:55.17 | owlmanatt_ | That one loads, but ip_conntrack and ipt_state don't. |
| 00:55.21 | Osiris | abrotman: in what way is it better? |
| 00:55.29 | maher | Osiris: try apt-setup |
| 00:55.30 | owlmanatt_ | I should have been more clear about which were broken, my apologies |
| 00:55.31 | tbx | any body know how to rebuild a partition table on a jfs filesystem without [hopefully] barfing the data contained therein? |
| 00:55.48 | myren | i've got my new hd as hdc right now; how do i install grub onto it such that i can boot it as hda? |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | Osiris: because it's for your machine |
| 00:55.56 | Osiris | i see no reason why a configuration file would be better by me running the tool vs other people |
| 00:56.02 | stew | owlmanatt_: ip_conntrack is *without a doubt* in the sarge 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 00:56.12 | maher | myren: plug it in to the first ide slot as master |
| 00:56.18 | abrotman | Osiris: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.07082005 |
| 00:56.22 | stew | owlmanatt_: see if you can find the .ko in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 00:56.25 | owlmanatt_ | stew: Yea, ther exist, but they give 'Unresolved Symbol' errors |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | Osiris: then run apt-setup .. see if the errors still happen |
| 00:56.33 | Osiris | ty abrotman :) |
| 00:56.48 | Eulex | Osiris, you want a server that is as near as you are -- apt-setup will guide you |
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| 00:56.50 | myren | maher: i need to install a bootloader before that will do anything |
| 00:57.00 | myren | thats what i would like to do |
| 00:57.09 | myren | but i cant get grub installed satisfactoritly |
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| 00:57.12 | maher | myren: are you going to put this hd in a different box? |
| 00:57.15 | myren | no |
| 00:57.23 | myren | i'm taking out the current primary master |
| 00:57.25 | maher | myren: you have a hda already? |
| 00:57.34 | maher | myren: what will be left? |
| 00:58.00 | owlmanatt_ | Does anyone have any ideas how to fix them? |
| 00:58.05 | owlmanatt_ | Should I try reinstalling the kernel package? |
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| 00:58.10 | myren | i cp -ax'd my old hda onto the new hdc, now i need to install grub on hdc such that i can remove the old and put the new as the primary master |
| 00:58.23 | myren | does that answer your q? |
| 00:58.25 | maher | owlmanatt_: no - see how many different copies of the modules you have |
| 00:58.30 | Osiris | why the magic number 07082005? its obviously a date..but...a wrong date |
| 00:58.36 | owlmanatt_ | maher: Just one copy of the modules for 2.6 |
| 00:58.38 | tbx | twain are the downloads and burns of the 3.1r0a minimal cd iso, and both halt and barf while "loading components of debian installer: nic-extra-modules...". How can I get around this? |
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| 00:59.12 | maher | myren: you can do that but its a bit fiddly - i would just put the hd in slot 1 and then boot to a boot disk, chroot and fix everything up |
| 00:59.22 | abrotman | Osiris: oh yeah .. i looked the time .. |
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| 00:59.25 | abrotman | Osiris: you know what i meant :) |
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| 00:59.30 | myren | yeah, i'd have to go download a boot disk. :/ |
| 00:59.41 | Osiris | lol ty |
| 01:00.22 | maher | owlmanatt_: that's odd - try using debsums on the kernel |
| 01:00.36 | liable | !hi |
| 01:00.36 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 01:00.54 | nono31 | abrotman: is there a way to change this grey folders? |
| 01:00.56 | maher | myren: toms root boot disk fits on a floppy - if you don't want a boot disk, start by installing grub on hdc |
| 01:01.00 | abrotman | nono31: huh? |
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| 01:01.15 | nono31 | abrotman: oops forgot that you don't user xfce |
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| 01:01.22 | rupurt | what is the 'prefered' linux method for encrypting a usb device? aes-loopback or dmcrypt> |
| 01:01.23 | abrotman | nono31: i don't .. i think Eulex does though |
| 01:01.24 | myren | haha, i think i got it. had to do (hd0) /dev/hdc in device.map |
| 01:01.29 | nono31 | Eulex: |
| 01:01.33 | myren | i thought i'd tried that b4 though |
| 01:01.40 | Osiris | okay, now obviously the reason i fscked up my list before was by putting bad sources in, and since debian maintained packages are too old and strict in policy for me, what other repositories should i add? |
| 01:01.40 | abrotman | !b4 |
| 01:01.40 | dpkg | try "before", moron. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 01:01.46 | nono31 | Eulex: How to change the folder look? in xfce... |
| 01:02.00 | myren | fsck off |
| 01:02.09 | myren | i'm saving YOUR bandwidth |
| 01:02.09 | abrotman | you can say fuck |
| 01:02.16 | Osiris | ok cool. fuck yeah. |
| 01:02.16 | rbochan | fuck |
| 01:02.21 | Eulex | nono31, "folder look"? |
| 01:02.28 | myren | haha |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | i don't care .. i'd rather you waste bandwidth than type like that |
| 01:02.31 | maher | Osiris: why not use stable with testing in a chroot if you must |
| 01:02.43 | nono31 | Eulex: directory/folder is grey/black... (in file manager |
| 01:02.45 | rupurt | for.use.encrypted.knowledge fuEK |
| 01:02.57 | myren | from now on i'll just use I17 instead of B4 |
| 01:02.57 | Osiris | so...say...i added these repositires for testing and did an upgrade to all..that'd be bad? |
| 01:03.11 | abrotman | !ep |
| 01:03.12 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:03.28 | maher | abrotman: now that's a waste of bandwidth... |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | maher: i'm sure comcast is crying a river |
| 01:03.44 | Eulex | nono31, you mean xffm? you'd switch/modify your icon theme |
| 01:04.00 | nono31 | Eulex: I guess it is what I mean! ;-) |
| 01:04.16 | Osiris | answers people i want answers. i don't have all night--oh yeah i do. i forgot. :( |
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| 01:04.28 | abrotman | Osiris: apt-setup! |
| 01:04.44 | mombof | Eulex, thx debfoster is awsome |
| 01:04.47 | myren | whats the fstab mount point for a swap partition? |
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| 01:05.04 | Osiris | i did and it worked, and i thank you, but what if i already upgraded to 'testing'? |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | Osiris: you did ? |
| 01:05.18 | Osiris | yes |
| 01:05.20 | Osiris | is that bad? |
| 01:05.22 | rupurt | myren - linux mounts the swap you don't |
| 01:05.28 | Eulex | mombof, yw |
| 01:05.30 | maher | myren: none |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | Osiris: no |
| 01:05.52 | Osiris | ok sweet. ty abrotman . :) |
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| 01:07.24 | myren | hrm, it /was/ none, but mount /dev/hda5 is giving me 3,4,6,8] |
| 01:07.27 | myren | [#debian] hrm, it /was/ none, but mount /dev/hda5 |
| 01:07.48 | myren | whoops, that was supposed to be mount: mount point none does not exist |
| 01:07.49 | owlmanatt_ | How do I disable apic at boot? |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | !apic |
| 01:07.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:08.00 | rupurt | what is the 'prefered' linux method for encrypting a usb device? aes-loopback or dmcrypt> |
| 01:08.04 | owlmanatt_ | Edit the lilo config to pass 'noapic' and then run lilo? |
| 01:08.08 | abrotman | owlmanatt_: it's like .. noapic or something |
| 01:08.16 | nono31 | Eulex: to change xffm icons, there is some themes mechanism or I have to change all the single icons by hand? |
| 01:08.19 | myren | your right thuough it to work with mount dest of none |
| 01:08.33 | Eulex | owlmanatt_, I think it's apic=noapic at kernel |
| 01:08.39 | rbochan | owlmanatt_: you can do it that way, or you can enter '<image> noapic' at the lilo prompt |
| 01:08.58 | owlmanatt_ | Oh, that's hot, lilo.conf already has append="noapic" and apic still gives errors... |
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| 01:09.15 | Eulex | nono31, settings manager -> user interface settings -> icon theme |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | owlmanatt_: that's hot ? .. isn't hot good ? |
| 01:09.41 | owlmanatt_ | abrotman: Yea, hehe |
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| 01:09.58 | nono31 | Eulex: but it does not change the folder's icon... |
| 01:10.13 | nono31 | Eulex: in fact does not change nothing in xffm |
| 01:10.15 | rbochan | owlmanatt_: might also try 'acpi=off', but I was pretty sure itw as noapic |
| 01:10.22 | maher | nono31: find the folder icon - replace it with a symlink to a happy face icon |
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| 01:10.46 | barry | hi |
| 01:10.55 | nono31 | maher: did not change any icon in fact ... |
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| 01:11.03 | barry | I reorganized my partitions because one of my partitions had a problem |
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| 01:11.09 | liable | owlmanatt_: there also a nolapic... (not really sure what that does) |
| 01:11.10 | barry | it was too full |
| 01:11.13 | Randall64 | ugh, this lame driver crashes everything in site, x86 or amd64 |
| 01:11.16 | barry | and now I get an error |
| 01:11.19 | Eulex | nono31, then I'm afraid you have to edit the theme yourrself |
| 01:11.21 | barry | on bootup |
| 01:11.29 | Randall64 | err, sight |
| 01:11.29 | Eulex | maher, good idea :) |
| 01:11.36 | barry | exec: 433: /sbin/init: not fount |
| 01:11.40 | barry | *found |
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| 01:11.51 | maher | barry: what did you do to yuor partitions? |
| 01:11.52 | Eulex | barry, you've b0rked something |
| 01:11.58 | barry | oy |
| 01:12.03 | abrotman | barry: which partition did you move ? |
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| 01:12.11 | abrotman | Randall64: lame is an encoder |
| 01:12.23 | barry | All I did was move the stuff in folder /lib to a partition, and edited fstab accordingly |
| 01:12.40 | barry | and added a partition /mnt/backup, but I don't thing that was it |
| 01:12.42 | myren | fstab is borked: mount: unknown filesystem type 'swap' |
| 01:12.57 | maher | barry: how did you add a partition? |
| 01:13.01 | maher | myren: mkswap |
| 01:13.02 | Eulex | barry, you may have to change the device name of the root partition |
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| 01:13.20 | myren | maher: i did that. swapon worked fine on it. but fstab is flipping its #$#! |
| 01:13.31 | barry | Well, I had some free space, so I enlarged /dev/hdb4 (the partition where all the logical partitions are) |
| 01:13.36 | maher | myren: /dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 01:13.42 | myren | yeah |
| 01:13.45 | myren | indeed |
| 01:13.54 | barry | and I created /dev/hdb8 and /dev/hdb9 in that space |
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| 01:14.02 | shai_ | can someone help me run fluxbox? |
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| 01:14.37 | abrotman | that's it .. too many five letter nicks .. start /nick'ing |
| 01:14.42 | Smoked1 | how do I add vertual IPs to debian? |
| 01:14.49 | abrotman | virtual |
| 01:14.55 | Smoked1 | virtual* |
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| 01:15.05 | cafuego | Smoked1: ifconfig eth0:1 <new ip> |
| 01:15.16 | maher | barry: can you paste fstab in #flood |
| 01:15.21 | rupurt | no one doing any encryption of a usb drive? |
| 01:15.24 | Smoked1 | thnaks |
| 01:15.24 | cafuego | or add eth0:1 (eth0:x) to interfaces(5) |
| 01:15.28 | ShaiW | no one using fluxbox? |
| 01:15.36 | ShaiW | I guess that's why the package is'nt working |
| 01:15.36 | abrotman | lots of people do .. why doesn't it run? |
| 01:15.37 | cafuego | !poll |
| 01:15.37 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:15.43 | myren | this is a really weird question, but is there any way to run an X server without a video card in a system? |
| 01:15.45 | ShaiW | It would run, but poorly |
| 01:15.50 | ShaiW | the xterm option would'nt work |
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| 01:16.02 | cafuego | ShaiW: Did you install xterm? |
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| 01:16.11 | Wyzard | myren: xvfb, or (probably more usefully) xvnc |
| 01:16.31 | myren | Wyzard: can xvfb use my keyboard? |
| 01:16.32 | barry | maher: here- |
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| 01:16.37 | Wyzard | myren: Or run the X apps remotely with an X server somewhere else |
| 01:16.39 | Wyzard | myren: dunno |
| 01:16.42 | ShaiW | I need to install install it seperately? |
| 01:16.43 | barry | maher: I did such |
| 01:16.52 | abrotman | i do suck |
| 01:17.02 | nebular | would anyone know if there would be an issue with installing the debian mozilla-firefox package on an ubuntu system? ubuntu seems to want to install a lot of gnome stuff I don't want |
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| 01:17.09 | maher | barry: can you paste fdisk -l /dev/hdb as well |
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| 01:17.33 | VoX | nebular: #ubuntu? |
| 01:17.34 | rbochan | nebular: you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 01:17.35 | ShaiW | I can't use fluxmenu either, I get: "(fluxmenu:24846): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_store_set: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, tree_store)' failed" |
| 01:17.37 | Eulex | nebular, *don't* |
| 01:17.38 | MobyTurbo | nebular: mixing repositories of different distributions is a Bad Idea |
| 01:17.48 | Eulex | (tm) |
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| 01:19.40 | barry | maher: ok, did that as well |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | nebular: wrong channel |
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| 01:20.20 | barry | maher: so, any solution? |
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| 01:22.00 | Esp1 | my apt-get is suddently returning a lot of 404's when i do a update.....any sugestions? |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | Esp1: official or unofficial? |
| 01:23.04 | Esp1 | both. |
| 01:23.28 | maher | barry: manually mount the extra partitions and see if they look ok |
| 01:23.33 | cafuego | ShaiW: Well, if it's broken, don't use it and/or file a bug report. try Openbox or Blackbox. |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | Esp1: which are 404ing imeant |
| 01:23.49 | barry | maher: I did that. /sbin/init is even there |
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| 01:24.00 | barry | maher: home looks fine |
| 01:24.09 | barry | maher: all the rest look good too |
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| 01:24.26 | maher | barry: where is /sbin/init |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | i know .. /sbin/init! |
| 01:24.57 | barry | maher: in /sbin |
| 01:25.00 | barry | maher: hdb1 |
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| 01:25.27 | Wettoad | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated <- I am seeing that on SID now, is there something i need to apt-get? |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | stew: where's taht key! |
| 01:26.21 | myren | anyone remember XRoger? |
| 01:26.21 | barry | maher: I didn't move the /sbin folder, just the /lib one |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | ah |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 01:26.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated |
| 01:26.43 | myren | it was on my schools old SunOS systems; it was like xlogo but it was pirate themed |
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| 01:26.46 | abrotman | Wettoad: ^^ |
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| 01:27.33 | abrotman | Wettoad: it's preferred you not msg people without permission |
| 01:27.34 | maher | barry: can you paste your bootloader config in #flood as well |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | Wettoad: and you're welcome :) |
| 01:27.57 | Esp1 | abrotman: Err http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 01:28.00 | barry | maher: you mean grub.conf if I use grub, or lilo's whatever? |
| 01:28.02 | abarbaccia | hey guys - what do you think about this - im an ubuntu user but rely on debian sources for things like transcode and others (mythtv project) - can someone help me out with what libraries are needed to install it - im getting libc6 dependency issues |
| 01:28.11 | Esp1 | abrotman: Err http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/contrib Packages 404 Not Found |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | Esp1: /topic |
| 01:28.15 | maher | barry: yeah |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | !topicfsck Esp1 |
| 01:28.28 | abrotman | heh :) |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | sorry .. |
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| 01:29.14 | maher | has everyone seen the google moon joke? |
| 01:29.24 | Esp1 | abortman: didnt see..... thanx |
| 01:29.26 | abrotman | the cheese ? |
| 01:29.29 | dondelelcaro | maher: pretty much |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | Esp1: make sense ? |
| 01:29.31 | barry | maher: wait, I don't have that |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | maher: the cheese ? |
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| 01:29.33 | maher | abrotman: you gave it away |
| 01:29.34 | dockane | nope |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | maher: oh .. sorry |
| 01:29.50 | abrotman | dpkg: i'm an asshole |
| 01:29.53 | barry | maher: should I send menu.lst? |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: agreed |
| 01:30.12 | barry | maher: or device.map |
| 01:30.14 | Esp1 | abrotman: yes |
| 01:30.23 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 01:30.24 | dpkg | Since Wed Jul 20 15:41:18 2005, there have been 1 modification, 205 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 68 commands. I have been awake for 9h 49m 5s this session, and currently reference 25833 factoids. I'm using about 14644 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 97/5.1 child 104.96/10.28 |
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| 01:30.26 | barry | maher: or stage1 or stage2 or something else? |
| 01:30.45 | maher | barry: ummm i dunno - actually your fstab and partition table look fine - i don't know why its not working |
| 01:30.59 | barry | neither do I |
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| 01:31.08 | abarbaccia | are the nerim sources working right now? i can't seem to stat testing main and stable main |
| 01:31.20 | maher | barry: when you chroot in does everything work? |
| 01:32.54 | barry | maher: for some reason, chrooting won't work |
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| 01:33.00 | maher | barry: what error |
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| 01:33.25 | abarbaccia | anybody getting an md5 mismatch on the nerim stable and testing repos |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 01:33.48 | dpkg | i heard apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated |
| 01:33.50 | barry | root@0[~]# chroot /mnt/hdb1 |
| 01:33.50 | barry | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 01:34.10 | barry | maher: this is in knoppix |
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| 01:34.16 | Smoked1 | I tried ifconfig eth0:1 ipaddress and it did noy work |
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| 01:34.58 | bizarro_paco | hello everyone |
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| 01:35.13 | wiegehts | is there a seperate chat for debian and gcc 4.0? |
| 01:35.26 | maher | barry: but there is a /bin/bash in hdb1? |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | wiegehts: you're in it |
| 01:36.20 | barry | maher: yes |
| 01:36.25 | sanxiyn | !gcc transition |
| 01:36.25 | dpkg | gcc transition is, like, http://people.debian.org/~djpig/gcc-transition/ |
| 01:36.26 | bizarro_paco | i just installed sarge and am dual booting with windows xp on two seperate hard drives; when i went to install sarge, the network autoconfiguration didnt work properly, so now i must manually load my NIC card driver file. What is the comand for that? |
| 01:36.38 | nono31 | Eulex: has been 30 min that I am trying to make the list of file not appearing as a "detailed list" .. where can I change thid? |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: modconf .. |
| 01:36.49 | xzgv | i just installed epiphany in sarge, it won't appear in the menus (did update-menus, updatedb, and everything is there when i use 'locate epiphany') using icewm/ion3 |
| 01:37.10 | Eulex | nono31, get another file manager -- xffm doesn't support that yet |
| 01:37.17 | bizarro_paco | abrotman, thankyou |
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| 01:37.25 | Eulex | nono31, try rox-filer |
| 01:37.36 | wiegehts | i have installed gcc 4.0 and apt-build, apt-build will use 4.0 correct if I have gcc symlinked to 4.0? |
| 01:37.40 | myren | is there any way to set environmental variables from a script? |
| 01:37.49 | maher | barry: can you paste ls -l /mnt/hdb1 in #flood |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | myren: yes |
| 01:37.55 | sanxiyn | wiegehts: It ain't Gentoo. |
| 01:37.55 | nono31 | Eulex: roxfiler is light ? |
| 01:38.03 | Eulex | nono31, yes, and fast |
| 01:38.05 | myren | --the script runs its own shell; i cant figure out how to have the environmental changes persist into my actual shell |
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| 01:38.40 | wiegehts | sanxiyn, hehe, yes but its not bad. I have gentoo on /hda5 |
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| 01:38.45 | abrotman | nono31: so is xfe |
| 01:38.48 | nono31 | Eulex: and higlhy configurable? |
| 01:38.58 | myren | abrotman: how.... tell me, tell me please |
| 01:38.58 | dserban | ? |
| 01:39.22 | sanxiyn | nono31: Just try it. |
| 01:39.24 | barry | maher: just pasted it |
| 01:39.24 | xzgv | mono31: try xfe, light and fast as hell |
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| 01:39.51 | maher | barry: what if you run /mnt/hdb1/bin/bash, does that work |
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| 01:39.59 | abrotman | myren: export BLAH=value |
| 01:40.12 | myren | abrotman: then the shell script ends and the change dies |
| 01:40.17 | abrotman | myren: though . you didn't specify which shell |
| 01:40.26 | barry | maher: is anything supposed to happen? |
| 01:40.33 | myren | i typically use zsh as my shell and sh for scripting |
| 01:40.35 | maher | barry: you get a bash prompt |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | myren: you export also ? |
| 01:40.41 | nono31 | xzgv: what's the main difference beetween xfe and rox-filer? |
| 01:40.42 | myren | yes |
| 01:40.44 | Eulex | nono31, kinda |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | well .. i have no idea about zsh |
| 01:40.46 | wiegehts | what is the general feeling of x.org coming into debian repositories? |
| 01:40.53 | sanxiyn | nono31: They are file managers. |
| 01:41.01 | maher | wiegehts: feels.... kinda squishy |
| 01:41.08 | barry | maher: oh, I tried changing to a sh prompt, and running it changed to a bash prompt |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | wiegehts: it's coming .. tough crap if you don't like it :) |
| 01:41.16 | barry | maher: so yeah, it worked |
| 01:41.22 | opti | i was going to be a dodgey bastard and just build the kernel/make/insall etc, but i was wondering.. whats the debian way to make it as a package? |
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| 01:41.37 | wiegehts | to me xfree xorg who cares. I dont know enough to have an opinion |
| 01:41.43 | xzgv | mono31: to me it's simpler, faster, it looks like the windows explorer |
| 01:41.45 | tech13 | weird bug, but don't know who to blame (over an SSH connection to a sarge machine) i put a few .torrent files for Debian Sarge CDs in a folder, 'btlaunchmany .' works, but 'screen btlaunchmany .' does not. It starts, then the program crashes and the screen terminates. 'screen' then 'btlaunchmany .' works though. |
| 01:41.46 | maher | barry: um... ok - try and find out why chroot is failing - strace it or something |
| 01:41.47 | myren | abrotman: what shell are you using? |
| 01:41.57 | abrotman | dash of course! |
| 01:42.03 | barry | maher: I have to go, so I hope I can get things running later...thank you for your help |
| 01:42.34 | maher | barry: sorry - i dunno what's wrong |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | myren: are you really using zsh ? |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | myren: doesn't zsh have all kinds of weird syntax going on ? |
| 01:42.54 | barry | maher: I'll paste the strace in flood |
| 01:42.55 | maher | abrotman: you're _not_ using zsh? |
| 01:43.14 | myren | you have got to be kidding |
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| 01:43.22 | myren | zsh has some oddities |
| 01:43.28 | CVirus | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ ........ where r the .torrent files ?! |
| 01:43.30 | sanxiyn | abrotman: dash? Why not posh? |
| 01:43.34 | sanxiyn | (sarcasm) |
| 01:43.46 | maher | barry: is hdb1 mounted ro? remount it rw |
| 01:44.03 | barry | maher: e-mail to vegetariancannibal if you find out anything...thanks |
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| 01:44.05 | barry | maher vegetariancannibal@gmail.com |
| 01:44.09 | barry | maher: k, but my mom is demanding the computer |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | myren: you're right though |
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| 01:44.19 | maher | barry: np - remount rw |
| 01:44.22 | humbolt | how can I make my machine boot faster? |
| 01:44.34 | myren | abrotman: what, about changes not persisting? |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | humbolt: faster hardware! |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | myren: yep .. sorry ... |
| 01:44.51 | myren | yeah it burns |
| 01:45.54 | maher | humbolt: look for a perl hotplug implementation instead of the current bash one |
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| 01:46.07 | humbolt | abrotman: what an answer. how about turning off hotplug, would I still be able to use my pcmcia and usb stuff? |
| 01:46.16 | tech13 | CVirus: which set of Debian torrents are you looking for? (i386: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ ) |
| 01:46.18 | abrotman | humbolt: you can search google for 'ibm boot linux parallel' |
| 01:46.19 | maher | humbolt: i dunno - try it and see |
| 01:46.26 | shingouz | humbolt: yes. cardmgr and usbmgr |
| 01:46.30 | CVirus | tech13, got it thanks |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | err |
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| 01:46.55 | abrotman | humbolt: crap . let me find it |
| 01:46.58 | CVirus | tech13, but what does the 14 CDs contain ?!?! |
| 01:47.02 | CVirus | isnt that alot ? |
| 01:47.22 | wiegehts | okay, gcc 4.0 and apt-build has compiled xchat and mozilla-firefox without issue, but a kernel compile stopped dead in its tracks |
| 01:47.38 | tech13 | CVirus: sorry, that i don't know. |
| 01:47.44 | abrotman | humbolt: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:uH9XWtcguacJ:www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-boot.html%3Fca%3Ddnt-437+site:ibm.com+boot+linux++faster+parallel&hl=en |
| 01:47.47 | shingouz | CVirus: apps and other things you usually like to have present. otoh, if you have a fastish network you do not need the cd's |
| 01:47.55 | maher | wiegehts: fix the kernel to compile against gcc4 |
| 01:48.05 | humbolt | shingouz: pcmcia should not be a problem, but does not usb rely on hotplug? |
| 01:48.08 | maher | wiegehts: or fix ggc4 to compile the kernel... |
| 01:48.09 | CVirus | shingouz, fastish ? |
| 01:48.27 | maher | CVirus: binaries for all 11 archs |
| 01:48.33 | shingouz | humbolt: as i said, cardmgr for cards and usbmgr for usb. works for me |
| 01:48.41 | shingouz | CVirus: broadband |
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| 01:48.48 | CVirus | shingouz, oh |
| 01:48.53 | wiegehts | maher, I will read, I know I have seen something somewhere about setting gcc version , maybe the Makefile? |
| 01:48.56 | nono31 | Eulex: rox-file can show the disk tree ? (like on the left...) |
| 01:48.57 | shingouz | maher: just for the one arch |
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| 01:49.03 | CVirus | maher, why for all the archs ? why not what I need only ? |
| 01:49.08 | redpoptart | Hi everyone. I am having a intermittent problem with a voice server (ventrilo) problem. Sometimes I cannot connect to it via an external address, but I can always connect to it via LAN. Port-forwarding is set properly on the router, I triple checked. And when I suspected the router to be flaky, I tested port-forwarding for httpd and ftpd and they both worked fine with external IP connections. How should I continue with diagnosing this proble |
| 01:49.12 | maher | wiegehts: there is a CC= setting somewhere - i forget where |
| 01:49.14 | shingouz | CVirus: one arch, not all |
| 01:49.14 | Eulex | nono31, no |
| 01:49.15 | tech13 | CVirus: on a fast connection cd 1 is 'more then you will "need"' but then it sometimes is nice to download and burn the CDs so they are on hand (installing Gnome with just CD1 took an hour of downloading) |
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| 01:49.36 | maher | CVirus: if youare installing on x86 you only need cd1 |
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| 01:49.48 | nono31 | Eulex: argh... I tried xfe too... it is kind of very ugly... |
| 01:50.16 | CVirus | maher, the other 13 CDs contains nothing concerning the x86 ? |
| 01:50.27 | shingouz | nono31: stop complaining about the lack of blingbling. xfce is not about bells and whistles. you have gnome and kde for that |
| 01:50.49 | tech13 | any way to cap BTs download speed? (work computer on a fat pipe, but they want me to be nice and share with the customers) |
| 01:50.55 | shingouz | CVirus: the i386 cd's have only intel binaries on them |
| 01:51.05 | xzgv | mono31: you have to configure the colors and fonts to your liking =) get into the linux mood |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:51.27 | maher | CVirus: no - there are less used packages on cd2 at least, maybe cd3 too |
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| 01:51.32 | nono31 | shingouz: well. I mostly do in command line... but my wife does not... (if you're married, you'll understand) |
| 01:51.37 | CVirus | hmm |
| 01:51.44 | wiegehts | maher, cat Makefile |grep cc has produced some info, I will see if I can make anything of it |
| 01:51.46 | humbolt | shingouz: what about firewire? |
| 01:51.48 | maher | CVirus: if you have a fast net connection try a netinstall cd |
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| 01:51.57 | shingouz | maher: wtf you talling about? an i386 cd contains binaries for intel only |
| 01:51.59 | maher | wiegehts: CC not cc |
| 01:52.01 | CVirus | maher, I guess the servers arent that fast |
| 01:52.10 | shingouz | humbolt: what firmware? |
| 01:52.16 | JViz | does dpkg account for cross dependencies? |
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| 01:52.46 | humbolt | shingouz: firewire not firmware. |
| 01:52.47 | shingouz | humbolt: oh. afaik usbmgr takes care of that too. not sure, you have to check it out, i do not have firewire on anything here |
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| 01:52.58 | shingouz | heh |
| 01:53.01 | tech13 | CVirus: 'netinstall' is all you need to install debian if you have an internet connection. CD1 is full of the most commonly used stuff, CD14 is the least used stuff (in theory) download the first 3-5 and you shouldn't need much from over the net while installing (other then security updates) |
| 01:53.03 | humbolt | I see |
| 01:53.25 | humbolt | any other tips how I can improve bootup speed? |
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| 01:53.42 | maher | CVirus: shingouz umm - sorry i am confused - x86 cds have x86 bins only - but you should only need cd1 to install anyway |
| 01:53.51 | shingouz | humbolt: discover and hotplug take a lot of time |
| 01:53.52 | kadigibox | I am haveing a problem with X11. I try startx on a user and it exits out and if I try it on root it opens and if I run "startx /usr/bin/xchat" I can run this. Could someone help me figure out what is wrong with x11? |
| 01:53.53 | CVirus | tech13, I guess I'll just burn the first 5 CDs |
| 01:54.04 | shingouz | maher: yes. |
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| 01:54.48 | redpoptart | Anyone have any sight to share on my small but troubling problem? |
| 01:54.58 | redpoptart | That should read "insight" ;) |
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| 01:55.05 | shingouz | redpoptart: not unless you tell us what the problem is |
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| 01:55.26 | redpoptart | 21:49:50) redpoptart: Hi everyone. I am having a intermittent problem with a voice server (ventrilo) problem. Sometimes I cannot connect to it via an external address, but I can always connect to it via LAN. Port-forwarding is set properly on the router, I triple checked. And when I suspected the router to be flaky, I tested port-forwarding for httpd and ftpd and they both worked fine with external IP connections. How should I continue with |
| 01:55.28 | shingouz | kadigibox: check the xlog for errors first |
| 01:55.44 | kadigibox | where is xlog? |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | /var/log |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.02 | JViz | does dpkg account for cross dependencies? |
| 01:56.07 | shingouz | innovative place for logs.. |
| 01:56.08 | wiegehts | maher, HOSTCC = gcc |
| 01:56.10 | dondelelcaro | JViz: cross dependencies? |
| 01:56.14 | abrotman | JViz: say what ? |
| 01:56.14 | Smoked1 | I added a virtual ip address to /etc/network/interfaces but when I do ifconfig it does not show up. Anyone know what to do? |
| 01:56.25 | Smoked1 | I even rebooted |
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| 01:56.53 | shingouz | something cross-eyed? |
| 01:56.56 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: uh, did you add an auto eth0:0; or similar line? |
| 01:57.03 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: did ifup eth0:0; or whatever work? |
| 01:57.07 | JViz | for instance two packages need a library, if i uninstall one package will it keep the library for the other? |
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| 01:57.23 | Eulex | JViz, yes, it does |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | JViz: of course |
| 01:57.38 | Smoked1 | ifup works |
| 01:57.40 | shingouz | JViz: it should unless dpkg is borked somehow |
| 01:57.49 | Smoked1 | it's eth0:1 thouigh |
| 01:57.49 | maher | dondelelcaro: its what happens when you disinherit your kids |
| 01:57.50 | dondelelcaro | Smoked1: then you're mising the auto line. man 5 interfaces; |
| 01:57.52 | Smoked1 | though* |
| 01:57.56 | JViz | thank you |
| 01:58.00 | Smoked1 | ok thanks very much |
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| 01:58.56 | mojojojo | I need a program to run, but it requires java vm, and told me it didn't exist in the path, i 'env' and it wasn't in the PATH, so I edited /etc/profiles since I have no .bash_profile in my ~/. now that /etc/profile includes /usr/java/ in the path, how do I make it active? |
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| 01:59.46 | humbolt | anybody know about kalyxo status? |
| 01:59.51 | kadigibox | ok only errors I see is with font rendering |
| 02:00.15 | myren | startx -- :1 -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dummy: For non-root users, the file specified with -config must be a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. |
| 02:00.17 | mojojojo | and I have jre 1.5 installed already |
| 02:00.20 | myren | what gives? |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | mojojojo: did you install java ? |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | !install java |
| 02:00.32 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
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| 02:01.10 | myren | i get that error no matter what -config i try to run |
| 02:01.27 | wwd | I have a IBM T43 notebook |
| 02:01.48 | deadcat | wwd: stop bragging |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | wwd: is that all you have ? |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | i mean . i have a car .. a laptop . tv .. a few guitars ... |
| 02:02.11 | useruser | how can I install truetype fonts so that modern apps can use them? the debian TT font howto is out of date, it seems |
| 02:02.12 | mojojojo | abrotman: its all fine, I just need to know how to make the PATH variable rehashed or reactivated or whatever, because I just edited /etc/profile and included /usr/java in there (yes java is properly installed, it works for other apps) |
| 02:02.15 | deadcat | abrotman: hahaha |
| 02:02.20 | myren | i'd trade my car for a T43 any day |
| 02:02.24 | wwd | sorry |
| 02:02.24 | kadigibox | I dont know what could have happend though. it was working before but now its not |
| 02:02.32 | myren | just kidding baby, i love you very much |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | wwd: do you need help ? |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | mojojojo: . /etc/profile |
| 02:02.48 | wwd | I waw install Debian sarge on T43 |
| 02:02.57 | abrotman | !d-i wwd |
| 02:02.58 | dpkg | wwd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:03.03 | mojojojo | abrotman: what about it? |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | mojojojo: did you run that ? |
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| 02:03.15 | mojojojo | run what? |
| 02:03.19 | wwd | but it can't found NIC |
| 02:03.20 | mojojojo | im confused |
| 02:03.27 | deadcat | mojojojo: source /etc/profile |
| 02:03.30 | mojojojo | how can you execute a text file |
| 02:03.34 | mojojojo | i'll try it |
| 02:03.35 | dondelelcaro | wwd: sure it will. |
| 02:03.50 | mojojojo | ahh |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | mojojojo: make sense ? |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how is that ? |
| 02:04.02 | mojojojo | ok, thats the command for re activating it |
| 02:04.09 | mojojojo | oh yes, thank you |
| 02:04.10 | abrotman | mojojojo: yep :) |
| 02:04.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I installed Debian on one not more than a month ago. |
| 02:04.47 | dondelelcaro | you may have to select the nic driver manually, but it should have no problems loading it. |
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| 02:05.00 | dondelelcaro | the wireless won't work until you have the firmware, of course; but that's trivial. |
| 02:05.17 | Eulex | dondelelcaro, ipw2200? |
| 02:05.20 | myren | fscking idiots! X server's -logfile parameter is only available to root user. So non-root users need write access to /var/log to start an X server |
| 02:05.23 | myren | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 02:05.33 | deadcat | calm the fuck down |
| 02:05.36 | Eulex | or something |
| 02:05.42 | wwd | sarge 's kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 02:05.49 | meng | How configure libapache2-mod-chroot? |
| 02:05.55 | myren | i try to be calm, but sometimes i just get so pissed, you know |
| 02:05.58 | dondelelcaro | wwd: sarge has multiple kernels. You're going to install using the 2.4 one. |
| 02:06.03 | wwd | i use ubuntu , he can found my nic |
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| 02:06.08 | myren | </dennis leary> |
| 02:06.28 | myren | seriously, how the fuck am i supposed to run an X server |
| 02:06.51 | cire | I installed debian on my laptop, and it is working fine. (2.4.??bf). I compiled a 2.6 kernel with customized options. Everythings works fine, I can ping the machine, the machine can ping the other machines in my network, but I cannot acces it using ssh. (I am asked to confirm the key, but afterwars nothing happens for minutes). If I chose the origin kernel to be booted from, this works again. So I ask: What kernel option do I have to set/ which |
| 02:06.51 | cire | kernel option did I set wrong? |
| 02:06.54 | litage | how do i check the md5 of a burned iso? |
| 02:07.13 | Supaplex | md5sum < /dev/cdrom |
| 02:07.20 | dondelelcaro | myren: uh, the X server has to run as root. |
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| 02:07.35 | myren | dondelelcaro: no? |
| 02:07.37 | dondelelcaro | myren: normal users can start it, yes... but the server itself has no choice. |
| 02:07.55 | mojojojo | whats this new trend of using psuedo html tags in irc |
| 02:08.04 | dondelelcaro | it's not new. |
| 02:08.04 | mojojojo | I've been noticing this on every godamn network I go to |
| 02:08.14 | meng | How to configure libapache2-mod-chroot? Who know? |
| 02:08.31 | mojojojo | well its new to me, oh well, its not like im downin on it, just wondering, since i have not seen it before |
| 02:09.10 | myren | dondelelcaro: oh, i'm starting to see |
| 02:09.44 | myren | arg |
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| 02:10.27 | mojojojo | i need more virtual desktops |
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| 02:10.34 | mojojojo | too many damn windows open |
| 02:10.49 | Supaplex | mojojojo: and more monitors! |
| 02:10.59 | mojojojo | heh, buy me some, i won't complain |
| 02:11.06 | litage | thanks Supaplex |
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| 02:11.15 | Supaplex | meng: the first hit on google tells you how |
| 02:11.22 | myren | how does the X server decide what WM to run when it starts? i'm using startx to start |
| 02:11.41 | Eulex | myren, X server desides nothing -- your dm does |
| 02:11.49 | myren | i'm not running a dm |
| 02:11.52 | mojojojo | Eulex: not neccesierly |
| 02:11.57 | colby | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 02:11.59 | myren | like i just said, i'm starting with startx |
| 02:12.12 | dondelelcaro | myren: by running ~/.xsession if it exists, or if not, whatever the default window manager is. |
| 02:12.13 | Supaplex | 12" viewable ;) |
| 02:12.33 | Eulex | mojojojo, oh, yeah, well, if you're not running a dm, so... |
| 02:12.45 | cire | sorry for reasking, but how may I new kernel affect the behave of sshd? (new kernel: I am able to ping, but not able to connect via ssh, old kernel [same machine]: everything works) |
| 02:12.47 | Elsidox | I want to install debian etch. So I downloaded the testing netinstall and I get an error cant find linux2.6 something like that. |
| 02:12.47 | mojojojo | myren: here is a great place to learn about config files in general and to see some nice pre configured files to use as templates |
| 02:12.50 | myren | i think colby's got it |
| 02:12.56 | myren | its in /etc/alternatives |
| 02:13.04 | mojojojo | myren: i can't remember if its .org or.net or.com but google for "dotfiles" |
| 02:13.19 | myren | mojojojo: cool beans, thanks |
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| 02:13.46 | mojojojo | yup |
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| 02:14.05 | Supaplex | beans? there are no cool beans in my very hot potatos |
| 02:14.36 | cire | s/behave/behavior |
| 02:14.47 | cire | s/may I/may a/ |
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| 02:15.45 | i10neor1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.55 | i10neor1 | Is that possible? |
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| 02:16.35 | dafen | my wireless connection keesp dropping, and How am I gonna keep it up? like autoreconnect once droped |
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| 02:17.05 | cafuego | Buy yourself a decent AP and/or wifi card. |
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| 02:18.10 | dan2_ | cafuego: hello |
| 02:18.18 | dafen | cafeugo, you r an idiot |
| 02:18.23 | dafen | it's not my laptop's fault |
| 02:18.27 | dan2_ | !R |
| 02:18.27 | dpkg | it has been said that r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 02:18.29 | shingouz | oooo |
| 02:18.29 | dafen | it's the access point |
| 02:18.38 | dafen | we had a bad access point |
| 02:18.47 | shingouz | dafen: even a bad signal causes drops |
| 02:18.47 | barry | how do you tell what processes are using a device? |
| 02:18.48 | dafen | it will drop any wifi for 5 minutes |
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| 02:19.02 | gerd | re |
| 02:19.03 | dafen | shigouz, y you guys r so much a biggot? |
| 02:19.08 | dafen | it's a common problem at my school |
| 02:19.13 | gerd | i want to cat my cosole output at ttyS0, what is the best way? |
| 02:19.14 | shingouz | dafen: wtf you talking about? |
| 02:19.22 | dafen | and wtf you talking about? |
| 02:19.29 | shingouz | *plonk* |
| 02:19.39 | dafen | you can't read? |
| 02:19.45 | dafen | I said, it's known the AP problem |
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| 02:19.54 | dafen | I didn't say that I suspect it's the AP problem |
| 02:20.14 | dafen | it's an confirmation, logically true that proven the AP at our school is screwd up |
| 02:20.24 | dondelelcaro | dafen: 1) Stop abusing people. 2) provide more details on what exactly the perceived issue is. |
| 02:20.27 | Supaplex | dpkg: R =~ s/ YOU/, YOU/ |
| 02:20.27 | dpkg | OK, Supaplex |
| 02:20.40 | Fluten | when i start an opengl app in my console, such as glxgears, it says "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"" |
| 02:20.41 | dafen | dondelelcaro, I think I certaly stated very clear |
| 02:20.49 | dafen | that it's the AP problem |
| 02:20.50 | Fluten | could this be why my performance in glxgears isn't that good? |
| 02:20.52 | barry | how do you tell which programs are using a device? |
| 02:20.54 | dondelelcaro | dafen: no, you haven't. If you had, I wouldn't have asked you for clarification. |
| 02:21.06 | dafen | and I only here for a solution how to keep connecting to AP when it's got disconnected |
| 02:21.26 | dondelelcaro | dafen: you will always attempt to reconnect to the AP. That's normal. |
| 02:21.30 | useruser | if I run apt-get source package and screw around with the source then decide I want to unpack it again from the downloaded files, what's the nifty debian command to do that? (unpack and apply patches) |
| 02:21.31 | dafen | I have to manually disable the wifi, then enable it again to get connected again |
| 02:21.43 | dafen | it's not normal |
| 02:21.55 | Supaplex | dafen: you sure it's not bad air? ;) |
| 02:21.57 | dondelelcaro | dafen: then you've got something else going wrong as well. Check dmesg to see what the AP is reporting. |
| 02:22.04 | dondelelcaro | s/AP/card/ |
| 02:22.13 | dondelelcaro | useruser: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc |
| 02:22.15 | dafen | you still assumed my card has problem? |
| 02:22.25 | dafen | I think you didn't read my statement carefully! |
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| 02:23.13 | FieldySnuts | amazing the lack of logic at many universities. |
| 02:23.21 | harfooz | hi all. I ran into an error with apt-get upgrade that I don't know how to resolve. I've pasted it to this url: http://pastebin.com/317538 |
| 02:23.23 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: there's no need to be abusive. |
| 02:23.26 | useruser | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:23.44 | barry | how can you tell which programs are using a device? |
| 02:23.47 | FieldySnuts | lsof |
| 02:24.00 | litage | how often are: (1) programs in /bin/ updated? (2) new programs installed in /bin/ ? |
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| 02:24.28 | barry | FieldySnuts: thank you! |
| 02:24.32 | meng | thx |
| 02:24.53 | FieldySnuts | dafen: please do not message me, I don't know you and I did not set the +q. |
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| 02:25.03 | FieldySnuts | since you did it four more times, ignored |
| 02:25.06 | FieldySnuts | thanks. |
| 02:25.12 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: you'll need to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/planetpenguin-racer-extras.list and add a newline to the end of the file. |
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| 02:25.48 | harfooz | dondelelcaro, is that easy as it sounds? simply edit the file in an editor and add a line? |
| 02:25.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cs-wifi2.cdf.toronto.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:25.52 | stew | litage: new programs are installed in /bin when you install new packages, its updated when packages are updated... why do you ask? |
| 02:25.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:25.59 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: yerp |
| 02:26.12 | harfooz | dondelelcaro, coolness -- thank you very much! |
| 02:26.14 | litage | stew: i'm looking into various ways of securing my box |
| 02:26.16 | FieldySnuts | he asked me a math problem heh |
| 02:26.17 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: however, you probably want to run fsck on that filesystem, since that shouldn't have happened. |
| 02:26.19 | FieldySnuts | oddball |
| 02:26.21 | barry | I have a problem...I moved my lib folder to a new partition, and now my computer won't work |
| 02:26.33 | harfooz | ok, dondelelcaro -- will do. |
| 02:26.38 | harfooz | many thanks again! |
| 02:26.44 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: np |
| 02:26.46 | barry | it sends the message: |
| 02:26.47 | stew | litage: read "securing debian" on security.debian.org |
| 02:27.04 | myren | how do i make X start at odd resolutions? i've only got 990x430 listed in my Screen/Modes, but it keeps starting at 1024x768... X-[ |
| 02:27.09 | barry | "exec: 433: /sbin/init: not found" |
| 02:27.19 | barry | even though /sbin/init is right where it should be |
| 02:27.43 | maher | barry: remount the partition rw |
| 02:28.00 | barry | maher: hey, you're still here...I can't unmount the partition |
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| 02:28.30 | maher | barry: check there aren't any shells which have cd'd into it |
| 02:28.41 | barry | wait...it unmounted |
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| 02:29.02 | gerd | i want to cat my cosole output at ttyS0, what is the best way? |
| 02:29.08 | litage | thanks stew. right now i'm going through http://www.seifried.org/security/index.php/Linux_Installation |
| 02:29.09 | shaiW | hmmphh... how do I get firefox to play sounds? |
| 02:29.26 | maher | barry: you can also use mount -o remount |
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| 02:29.45 | barry | still getting the /bin/bash error |
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| 02:30.04 | maher | barry: what does mount say about hdb1 |
| 02:30.05 | litage | stew: are the partitioning recommendations in that doc a bit extreme? |
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| 02:30.33 | litage | s/partitioning/filesystem layout/ |
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| 02:32.42 | barry | maher: what I had to do was mount all the partitions in relation to the way they were mounted in fstab |
| 02:32.44 | polix | hi all |
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| 02:32.51 | barry | maher: it works now |
| 02:33.15 | polix | Jul 20 23:32:26 polix pam_winbind[2127]: Could not retrieve user's password |
| 02:33.15 | polix | Jul 20 23:32:27 polix pam_winbind[2127]: request failed: No such user, PAM error was 10, NT error was NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER |
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| 02:33.30 | maher | barry: chroot works? |
| 02:33.36 | barry | maher: yep |
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| 02:33.53 | polix | help, i'm need logar in AD |
| 02:33.57 | myren | is there something in X which can instruct the server to change resolution? |
| 02:34.21 | FieldySnuts | ask #samba or thier mailing lists |
| 02:34.49 | polix | sarge+authentication AD+pam |
| 02:34.52 | litage | myren: in kde you can use: K > System > Screen Resize & Rotate |
| 02:34.56 | maher | barry: try rebooting again and see if it works - something is not getting mounted right i think |
| 02:34.58 | FieldySnuts | ask #samba or thier mailing lists |
| 02:35.05 | myren | hrm, now if i can only figure out how to start kde |
| 02:35.09 | barry | maher: maybe I should change the order? |
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| 02:35.20 | FieldySnuts | startkde in ~/.xinitrc if you use startx, otherwise i dunno |
| 02:35.26 | maher | barry: stare at the boot output and see if you can see what's getting mounted |
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| 02:35.39 | polix | FieldySnuts, my problem is independent in the samba |
| 02:36.05 | litage | myren: try `startx` |
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| 02:36.45 | setog3 | 5 oclock this chan is good // |
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| 02:37.01 | freefall | hi,guys!recently when i run 'aptitude dist-upgrade',Debian always tries to remove my Gnome.What is wrong?Something with Xorg? |
| 02:37.17 | FieldySnuts | that or your space bar |
| 02:37.32 | myren | oh frak, i'd have to install kde |
| 02:37.34 | setog3 | FieldySnuts, ?? |
| 02:37.35 | myren | :/ |
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| 02:37.51 | setog3 | good night |
| 02:38.38 | polix | can somebody help? |
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| 02:40.12 | myren | god damn it, i need a bloated WM just to use randr |
| 02:40.14 | myren | silly silly silyl |
| 02:40.49 | FieldySnuts | no you don't... use the command line tool |
| 02:40.52 | maher | myren: can't you just use xrandr |
| 02:41.05 | FieldySnuts | shrug lazy users |
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| 02:41.35 | myren | maher: word |
| 02:41.49 | litage | if /bin is mounted read-only from a separate partition, can one easily re-mount it without read-only? |
| 02:42.07 | FieldySnuts | !hire myren |
| 02:42.32 | maher | liable: mount /bin -o remount,rw |
| 02:42.48 | FieldySnuts | uh hail storm bye |
| 02:42.52 | litage | thanks maher |
| 02:43.01 | myren | yeee haw! |
| 02:43.06 | myren | thanks a million maher |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you dont' go outside during those ? |
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| 02:46.11 | litage | mmmm linux |
| 02:47.27 | Downix | I miss Linux |
| 02:47.37 | Downix | trying to get it back onto my laptop, providing it cooperates |
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| 02:48.19 | abrotman | ruhroh |
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| 02:49.38 | stew | litage: no their filesystem layout are not extreme depending on the situation |
| 02:50.11 | Rockret | i am getting one msg error boot ... shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5 .. anyone .. have idea to solve ? |
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| 02:50.29 | Rockret | what is shpcch ? |
| 02:50.31 | Supaplex | Rockret: does google give you any clues? |
| 02:50.41 | Rockret | nope |
| 02:51.15 | Supaplex | what queries did you bounce off google? |
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| 02:51.20 | Rockret | modprobe FATAL Error |
| 02:51.34 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite http://moon.google.com/ |
| 02:51.35 | ravenbird | http://moon.google.com/: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 02:51.42 | Rockret | i hate fatal errors .. remember windows |
| 02:51.58 | useruser | I've written a package to install lucida ttf fonts. There's a bug: when the package is installed, the Demibold-Oblique and the Oblique fonts both look the same :( I think the problem must be in the defoma-hints file, but I don't knwo where to look. Any cluse? |
| 02:52.01 | Supaplex | Rockret: try acpi_shpchprm:get device PCI ROOT HID fail |
| 02:52.02 | useruser | clues? |
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| 02:54.26 | myren | how do i do arbitrary video modes in X? |
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| 02:54.53 | metaperl | myren: what do you mean arbitrary? |
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| 02:55.03 | myren | 1012x555 |
| 02:55.19 | Supaplex | very carefully, if at all. |
| 02:55.34 | metaperl | myren: such things might be edited in the XF86Config file... but I dont know |
| 02:55.44 | rupurt | when i look into /dev without a linux boot there is plenty of devices there - should it be empty before udev runs at boot? |
| 02:55.50 | myren | its not going to a real x display |
| 02:56.02 | dondelelcaro | rupurt: no, it doesn't matter. |
| 02:56.05 | rupurt | i think it gets mounted at boot |
| 02:56.10 | useruser | !ping |
| 02:56.11 | dpkg | pong |
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| 02:57.07 | rupurt | so are the things in the 'base' level /dev 'buried' under a overmounted /dev? |
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| 03:01.28 | phaedral_ | hi all |
| 03:01.32 | iCandy | Can someone please help me. My apt-get update tells me I have invalid and cloned links |
| 03:01.39 | iCandy | How can I erase the source.list and update it again |
| 03:01.41 | iCandy | make it brand new |
| 03:01.58 | phaedral_ | i just installed digikam, gphoto2, and such, to get pics off of my new kodak |
| 03:02.23 | maher | iCandy: apt-get clean |
| 03:02.26 | phaedral_ | everything works fine in a point and click way...if I'm root; can't figure out how to make this accessible to users (my fiance) |
| 03:02.28 | rupurt | you don't really know |
| 03:02.35 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: apt-setup |
| 03:02.42 | phaedral_ | any pointers from the debian demigods tonight? |
| 03:02.43 | iCandy | maher, Mobyturbo: Much appreciated! Thanks |
| 03:02.43 | MobyTurbo | maher: that's incorrect |
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| 03:03.06 | maher | MobyTurbo: oh - does that only clean the cache? |
| 03:03.13 | MobyTurbo | maher: yes |
| 03:03.30 | iCandy | I just ran a apt-get dist-upgrade. That took forever! |
| 03:03.50 | iCandy | Now I want to fix this problem and then try to get the No GD Library Support, to support it |
| 03:04.24 | maher | phaedral_: are you using gnome or something? |
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| 03:04.35 | phaedral_ | maher: kde |
| 03:04.38 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: if you have a messed up repository specification in sources.list, running apt-get dist-upgrade will only make the problem more entrenched. |
| 03:05.03 | phaedral_ | i was thinking to just suid on digikam...but i'm hazy on how to know when that's safe |
| 03:05.09 | litage | after linux boots, is /boot/ used at all? |
| 03:05.23 | iCandy | Moby; I did not touch anything but dist-upgrade. The problem was there all along, I am now just trying to solve all of these issues. |
| 03:05.27 | MobyTurbo | litage: usually |
| 03:05.44 | iCandy | Mobyturbo: As a new user, its very hard |
| 03:05.46 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: dist-upgrade is not a minor tool |
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| 03:05.57 | maher | phaedral_: if there isn't some kde automount thingy you could add a line to fstab like /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat user,umask=022,auto 0 0 |
| 03:06.05 | iCandy | It had to be done, it was 2years old :D |
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| 03:06.25 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: yes, but not with an incorrect sources.list |
| 03:06.27 | iCandy | moby |
| 03:06.27 | kyu | even though this is totally the wrong place to ask, has anyone managed to work with pkgsrc on openbsd? |
| 03:06.28 | Nexus | Does the official sarge net isntall disk install 2.6 or 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:06.30 | iCandy | can you please join #flood |
| 03:06.35 | maher | phaedral_: in gnome lines like this cause it to be mounted automatically |
| 03:06.39 | phaedral_ | maher; will search a bit for kde automount, then try fstab if i don't find anything; thanks for the leads |
| 03:07.04 | phaedral_ | if i ran it from gnome it would probably work as is? |
| 03:07.04 | maher | phaedral_: there's also automount which is indep of gnome / kde |
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| 03:07.19 | ThanaZzzz | OT, what is "purdy" ? |
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| 03:07.27 | jayeola | pretty |
| 03:07.32 | maher | iCandy: use apt-setup to point your sources to something sensible |
| 03:07.37 | jayeola | purdy==pretty |
| 03:07.43 | ThanaZzzz | :) |
| 03:07.44 | ThanaZzzz | thanks |
| 03:07.49 | Nexus | Does the official sarge net isntall disk install 2.6 or 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:08.08 | jayeola | any one tried a vserver? or running one? |
| 03:08.09 | maher | Nexus: 2.4 by default but 2.6 if you do tab linux26 |
| 03:08.10 | iCandy | MobyTurbo: Thanks, can I keep you informed? |
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| 03:08.32 | iCandy | MobyTurbo: Are all http sites non-us? |
| 03:08.47 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: no. |
| 03:08.54 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: run apt-setup, as I said |
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| 03:09.19 | barry | hello again |
| 03:09.26 | barry | my bootup is BORKED |
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| 03:09.54 | barry | it looks for /sbin/init, and does not find |
| 03:10.03 | myren | how do i get the PID of a process i'm starting in the background? xlogo & |
| 03:10.14 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: another thing you might want to do is read the upgrade instructions on www.debian.org |
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| 03:10.16 | alvanson | For some reason, /dev/lp0 is pointing to my USB printer, but I have a printer connected to the REAL lp0 and I can't find it |
| 03:11.02 | abrotman | barry: didn't we just fix that ? |
| 03:11.30 | barry | abrotman: everything looks right, but it just doesn't work |
| 03:11.45 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 03:13.00 | barry | it should work, but it doesn't... |
| 03:13.44 | iCandy | Moby I dont see it in the list of lsof |
| 03:13.51 | barry | it doesn't seem to even get to the point where it mounts stuff |
| 03:14.11 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: that's strange, no lock files or anything? |
| 03:14.32 | iCandy | Well I did stop it while it was running, by accident |
| 03:14.50 | litage | how large should a /dev partition be? |
| 03:14.55 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: in what way did you stop it? |
| 03:15.06 | iCandy | ctrl x |
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| 03:16.15 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: I wasn't aware that control-x did that, I usually use control-c |
| 03:16.31 | iCandy | It was a control command |
| 03:16.32 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: or control-z if I want to suspend/resume/etc. |
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| 03:17.12 | abrotman | spangler ? |
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| 03:17.28 | MrKeuner | hi, I tried to install a unofficial debian package and dpkg told me that it requires some other packages before it can install that. And than I have changed my mind to install that package, however whenever I try to install another debian package dpkg warns about that package. How can I avoid that? |
| 03:17.33 | abrotman | litage: it doesn't have a size |
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| 03:17.41 | abrotman | or maybe that's /proc |
| 03:17.44 | abrotman | it's too damn late |
| 03:17.57 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 03:18.04 | liable | MrKeuner: are you using aptitude? |
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| 03:18.11 | iCandy | MobyTurbo before you go maybe if I restart? |
| 03:18.12 | litage | abrotman: that's /proc |
| 03:18.13 | MrKeuner | no synaptic |
| 03:18.18 | MrKeuner | liable/ synaptic |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | litage: i'd leave /dev/ on / .. |
| 03:18.32 | litage | abrotman: why? |
| 03:18.48 | barry | is there any problem with movin /lib? |
| 03:19.00 | abrotman | litage: mine is like .. 768k :) |
| 03:19.00 | dondelelcaro | barry: yes, there are many problems with moving /lib |
| 03:19.02 | liable | MrKeuner: try apt-get remove thepackage |
| 03:19.14 | MrKeuner | liable/ although it is not installed? |
| 03:19.21 | litage | ah |
| 03:19.59 | liable | MrKeuner: yeah just try it. then install something and see what happens. |
| 03:20.09 | MrKeuner | liable/ OK thanks |
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| 03:21.59 | iCandy | MobyTurbo: IT worked when I restarted lol |
| 03:23.03 | litage | are there any caveats to having /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin each on their own partition? |
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| 03:24.51 | Guerin | litage: don't |
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| 03:25.08 | iCandy | Can I delete my sources.list I have now and just do apt-setup and it will re-write it for me? |
| 03:25.15 | Guerin | litage: put /usr on its own partition if need be |
| 03:25.17 | Guerin | iCandy: yes |
| 03:25.22 | chant | Anyone know how to make apt 'think' a package is installed? |
| 03:25.29 | Guerin | !equivs |
| 03:25.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 03:25.33 | iCandy | Guerin: Thank you much |
| 03:25.36 | litage | Guerin: why shouldn't i? |
| 03:25.43 | chant | danke. |
| 03:25.43 | Guerin | litage: why should you? |
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| 03:26.13 | litage | Guerin: i'm thinking of putting those 4 dirs i mentioned on their own partitions so that i can mount them read-only |
| 03:26.32 | Guerin | litage: why? |
| 03:26.40 | Guerin | there's no security benefit from it |
| 03:26.46 | litage | Guerin: how so? |
| 03:26.51 | Supaplex | litage: for one the mount program itself is in /sbin. how do you expect to mount anything if it's not available? also most of your system critical binaries are in /bin and /sbin. your startup scripts won't execute to bootstrap itself. |
| 03:27.03 | Guerin | in case you were unaware, malicious code can be run from any where |
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| 03:27.22 | litage | Supaplex: ah i see |
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| 03:28.09 | litage | what about having /usr/bin and /usr/sbin on their own partitions then? |
| 03:28.10 | Virtual | I got an error while compiling the kernel, any idea why ? |
| 03:28.18 | litage | Virtual: use a pastebin |
| 03:28.18 | Guerin | litage: and if sommeone has root, which they'd need to write to those dirs anyway, they can trivially remount those filesystems with write privileges |
| 03:28.36 | kasper | i've got a lappy with vga out, i know that it is possible to have the laptop display and the vga working @ the same time via i810switch (it has the same desktp on the lcd and the vgs(crt) monitor) but how can i get a dual head working w/ it? i've tried added a second screen and device in XF86Config but still no success, is there a tool to do this? or anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:28.41 | Guerin | litage: why separate them? Put /usr on one partition and be happy |
| 03:28.45 | litage | Guerin: right, but if they've accessed the system as non-root, then they wouldn't be able to write to those dirs |
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| 03:29.07 | Guerin | litage: in which case having them be read-only yields no benefit and plenty of hassle |
| 03:29.33 | iCandy | One more question (I Think); A program I am installing is giving me an No GD Library Support error, but if GD isnt installed, how is KDM running? |
| 03:29.41 | litage | Guerin: having them read-only and an intruder as non-root would prevent them from doing many things |
| 03:29.43 | Virtual | can someone check this out and tell me why? I got it while compiling kernel : http://pastebin.com/317569 |
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| 03:30.07 | Guerin | litage: having them read-write and having a non-root intruder would be identical in every way to having them read-only |
| 03:30.25 | Guerin | litage: identical for the intruder - more hassle for legitimate users |
| 03:30.33 | litage | Guerin: how so? read-only means you can't write to it |
| 03:30.37 | Supaplex | litage: FWIW I have /tmp on a tmpfs mount with nosuid nodev. otherwise it's normal. |
| 03:30.47 | Guerin | litage: if you're not root, you can't fucking write to it either |
| 03:30.57 | Guerin | litage: if you ARE root, you can do whatever you fucking please |
| 03:30.59 | Supaplex | litage: if you want to harden your box, google around. |
| 03:31.10 | Guerin | !security by obscurity |
| 03:31.10 | dpkg | Ok, if you're wanting to hide /proc from a user, or chroot a user, disable su for a user, or otherwise fool a user into thinking he's not capable of doing anything bad, you're the fool. Hiding things from users normally provides no material security benefit, and causes massive headaches for those who actually use the machine in question. Ask me about <chroot ssh>, <hide ps> and <disable su> |
| 03:31.35 | Guerin | litage: what you're talking about is analogous to the things discussed in the above factoid |
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| 03:32.02 | Guerin | it's smoke and mirrors to make incompetent fools feel more secure, which means precisely 0 to a competent attacker |
| 03:32.14 | Guerin | !customer |
| 03:32.15 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:32.20 | Chewie[] | I'm sure this has been asked before, but is there any date on the radar for X.org entering Testing? |
| 03:32.37 | Guerin | !why is xserver-xorg not in testing |
| 03:32.38 | dpkg | xserver-xorg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg |
| 03:32.41 | Supaplex | i like the 'when it's ready' answer |
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| 03:32.54 | Chewie[] | Thanks Guerin. |
| 03:33.18 | litage | Guerin: i'm afraid i missed your last msg or 2. would you mind /msg'ing them to me please? |
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| 03:33.30 | barry | ok, I moved lib, stupid me, and I need to know how to fix it using knoppix |
| 03:33.30 | Guerin | it's smoke and mirrors to make incompetent fools feel more secure, which means precisely 0 to a competent attacker |
| 03:33.40 | Guerin | litage: that was the main one |
| 03:33.43 | narg | *peer* Why is debian nethack's wizardmode root only. *mutter* |
| 03:33.53 | litage | thanks Guerin |
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| 03:34.00 | Guerin | barry: more it back |
| 03:34.02 | narg | Having to sudo nethack is annoying. |
| 03:34.08 | Guerin | move it, even |
| 03:34.39 | karsten | Guerin: u a girl? |
| 03:34.41 | barry | Guerin: I'd do that, but there are permission problems |
| 03:35.04 | litage | Guerin: at the moment i'm reading through the Seifried linux install doc, which is what is recommending these changes. i'm asking about them because i want to learn more, not because i'm hell-bent on doing them |
| 03:35.06 | Aman | Hi guys! I am having a problem with starting my window manager. I get into XDM just fine, but once I type in my user and password it says it can't write to /tmp - and then it hangs. When I do the same thing as root, it does not give such errors and it goes straight into gnome without problems. When I did a chmod 777 /tmp it didn't help the problem. |
| 03:35.08 | chant | karsten: not at the svlug happy hax0rs meeting? |
| 03:35.14 | Guerin | karsten: omfglol |
| 03:35.16 | karsten | chant: Not today. |
| 03:35.18 | karsten | Guerin: ;-) |
| 03:35.33 | Guerin | barry: why? |
| 03:35.59 | karsten | Anyone have a good guide to teasing out info from tcpdump, trying to troubleshoot ISP mailserver issues. |
| 03:36.04 | barry | Guerin: Whatever I do, it won't move |
| 03:36.14 | Guerin | barry: why not? |
| 03:36.23 | Guerin | barry: hint: error messages |
| 03:36.29 | liable | barry: have you remounted the partition read write? |
| 03:36.35 | barry | Guerin: I don't know...it's permission problems |
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| 03:36.47 | karsten | ... and/or a good tcpdump > file recipie for ethereal analysis. |
| 03:36.57 | Aman | So nobody here can help me out? |
| 03:37.14 | maher | Aman: what does ls -l /tmp say |
| 03:37.19 | Guerin | Aman: /tmp should be 1777 |
| 03:37.31 | maher | Aman: what does ls -ld /tmp say |
| 03:37.36 | Aman | maher: it says 'total 0' |
| 03:37.39 | karsten | Aman: chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 03:37.45 | maher | Aman: ^^ |
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| 03:37.51 | karsten | Aman: ls -*d* |
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| 03:38.06 | karsten | Um. -ld. |
| 03:38.08 | Aman | ls -d says '.' |
| 03:38.17 | maher | Aman: ls -ld /tmp |
| 03:38.20 | Guerin | just fucking chmod it |
| 03:38.23 | karsten | Aman: 'l' for long, 'd' for show directory, not contents. |
| 03:38.26 | Aman | I did that already. |
| 03:38.31 | Aman | Let me see what that did |
| 03:38.39 | Guerin | 777 is not the same as 1777 |
| 03:38.44 | barry | Oh, great, it won't let me unmount the partition |
| 03:38.52 | Aman | Guerin: The chmod didn't do anything. |
| 03:39.02 | karsten | Guerin: chmod: invalid mode string: `fucking' |
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| 03:39.06 | Guerin | Aman: then there's some other error |
| 03:39.08 | maher | Aman: type 'ls -ld /tmp' and paste the result here |
| 03:39.33 | Aman | karsten: ls -ld shows 'drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2005-7-20 19:28' |
| 03:39.35 | useruser | fc-cache tells me that some fonts have weight 0 when they're actually demibold (weight 180). what gives? |
| 03:39.41 | karsten | Aman: The first '1' says to set the directory sticky bit. That allows users to modify the directory (create/delete files), but *not* other people's files. |
| 03:39.46 | liable | barry: shut anything using it. |
| 03:40.00 | karsten | Aman: What Guerin said. Just chmod it alread. |
| 03:40.03 | Aman | Guerin: The only thing XDM says is that it can't write to /tmp |
| 03:40.05 | karsten | already even. |
| 03:40.12 | Aman | karsten: I already did, though. |
| 03:40.14 | Guerin | Aman: restart xdm |
| 03:40.21 | barry | liable: lsof /dev/hdb1 didn't return anything |
| 03:40.27 | Aman | Guerin: It hadn't been started before - ie already did |
| 03:40.28 | Guerin | xdm is root; it lies |
| 03:40.34 | karsten | drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 1224 2005-07-20 20:33 /tmp |
| 03:40.48 | karsten | Aman: Should say 't' for the last permission bit. |
| 03:40.52 | liable | barry: you are using the root terminal? |
| 03:40.57 | useruser | any fontconfig experts here? |
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| 03:41.06 | Aman | Fine.. I'll try the chmod again |
| 03:41.07 | karsten | Aman: ... and no you didn't if the result you're showing above is what you're seeing. |
| 03:41.14 | karsten | useruser: Not really, but shoot. |
| 03:41.22 | barry | liable: yes |
| 03:41.24 | karsten | useruser: bob2's got a good HOWTO on fonts. |
| 03:41.45 | Aman | karsten: I just did the chmod and the output of ls -ld does not change |
| 03:41.53 | Guerin | Aman: then you did it wrong |
| 03:41.56 | Aman | ls -ld /tmp rather |
| 03:42.08 | Guerin | Aman: info coreutils chmod to find out how to do it right |
| 03:42.36 | Aman | Guerin: If your way is the 'right' way, then I did it correctly. |
| 03:42.38 | useruser | karsten: i have a problem where fc-cache is giving wrong output |
| 03:42.42 | liable | barry: whats the error when you try and umount it. |
| 03:42.51 | karsten | Aman: as root? |
| 03:42.54 | liable | karsten: got a link for that howto? |
| 03:42.55 | Guerin | Aman: i didn't tell you how to do it, i just told you what the end result should be |
| 03:43.02 | barry | liable: umount: /mnt/hdb1: device is busy |
| 03:43.05 | Guerin | barry: why are you unmounting the partition? |
| 03:43.05 | karsten | liable: Yes, but I misplaced it ;-) |
| 03:43.05 | barry | liable: twice |
| 03:43.28 | useruser | karsten: according to file:///usr/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html, it should mark demibold fonts with weight 180. it's marking certain demibold-oblique and oblique fonts with weight 0 |
| 03:43.38 | useruser | karsten: which is bad, since then the system can't tell them apart it seems |
| 03:43.38 | barry | Guerin: so I can remount it read-write |
| 03:43.41 | Guerin | barry: have you verified that the partition is actually mounted ro? By default, knoppix mounts rw, i believe. |
| 03:43.47 | karsten | liable: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 03:43.49 | Guerin | barry: mount -f will tell you |
| 03:43.51 | Aman | karsten: Indeed as root |
| 03:43.53 | liable | Guerin: no, ro |
| 03:43.57 | Guerin | liable: oh, ok |
| 03:43.58 | useruser | karsten: these are the lucida fonts that sun ships with java, by the way |
| 03:43.58 | Guerin | anyway |
| 03:44.07 | Guerin | you needn't umount to mount rw |
| 03:44.11 | karsten | useruser: Beyond my level of expertise. |
| 03:44.17 | Aman | Guerin: The result, then, is how you said it should be. dxrw-blah-blah-t |
| 03:44.22 | useruser | karsten: ok |
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| 03:44.29 | Guerin | barry: mount -o remount,rw,dev /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 |
| 03:44.31 | Aman | drwxrwxrwt |
| 03:44.40 | karsten | Aman: "chmod 1777 /tmp; echo $?" |
| 03:44.47 | kasper | i've got a lappy with vga out, i know that it is possible to have the laptop display and the vga working @ the same time via i810switch (it has the same desktp on the lcd and the vgs(crt) monitor) but how can i get a dual head working w/ it? i've tried added a second screen and device in XF86Config but still no success, is there a tool to do this? or anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:44.47 | Guerin | Aman: ok, good. And still not working? |
| 03:44.47 | karsten | Aman: ... and "ls -ld /tmp" |
| 03:45.14 | karsten | Aman: OK, now: /etc/init.d/xdm stop; /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 03:45.16 | Aman | Guerin: Correct. Still not working. |
| 03:45.29 | Guerin | Aman: uninstall xdm and try startx |
| 03:45.35 | Guerin | Aman: just for s&g |
| 03:45.37 | maher | kasper: are you sure your chipset can do dual head? |
| 03:45.51 | Guerin | Aman: do what karsten says first |
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| 03:46.27 | Aman | Guerin, karsten, it still does not work. |
| 03:46.35 | Guerin | Aman: ok. does startx work? |
| 03:46.54 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 03:47.00 | Guerin | Aman: and as root, or as user, can you write to /tmp? create dirs? write to them? delete them? etc... |
| 03:47.03 | maher | kasper: and did you see http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/tsa65.html |
| 03:47.10 | Guerin | because if you can, then xdm is full of shit |
| 03:47.14 | Aman | Guerin: No, it does not work as user, but as root it does. |
| 03:47.23 | Guerin | Aman: you can't write to /tmp as a user? |
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| 03:47.39 | Aman | Guerin: It says there's no space left on the drive.. god damn it! |
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| 03:47.45 | Guerin | Aman: bah |
| 03:47.46 | Aman | There must be an out of control log file or something |
| 03:47.49 | Guerin | !moron Aman |
| 03:47.50 | dpkg | Aman: You are moron #99 |
| 03:47.52 | liable | hehe |
| 03:48.01 | lawnchair | !moron lawnchair |
| 03:48.02 | dpkg | lawnchair: You are moron #14 |
| 03:48.03 | kasper | maher: i havn't checked out the url yet, but i've seen on that the i810 is able to do dual head. plus i can' switch from crt to lcd by using fn+f8 |
| 03:48.11 | Aman | Guerin: Oh, puhhleze. It wouldn't be so obvious to you if you just recently solved all those problems. |
| 03:48.17 | Aman | I have 12gigs dedicated to / |
| 03:48.36 | liable | Aman: delete some pr0n :P |
| 03:48.37 | Guerin | Aman: that's a lot, but i recently had a 30G ~/.xsession-errors file |
| 03:48.47 | Guerin | 30 gigs, that's a shitload of X errors |
| 03:48.50 | Aman | liable: That's on my /storage partition ;) |
| 03:48.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you must be running gnome. |
| 03:49.09 | Aman | Guerin: What's the strange debian way to check hard drive space? |
| 03:49.10 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i think it was from my brief flirtation with e17 |
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| 03:49.15 | Guerin | Aman: df |
| 03:49.19 | Aman | thank you |
| 03:49.22 | dondelelcaro | and no, df isn't strange... |
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| 03:50.03 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: how was debconf? |
| 03:50.12 | Guerin | df is not my favorite thing right now |
| 03:50.33 | Guerin | it's still showing 100% usage on one of my drives, even after i've deleted a bunch of shit |
| 03:50.44 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: good |
| 03:50.45 | Guerin | and verified that no file handles are still open on the things i've deleted |
| 03:51.10 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: but yes, df will show 100% usage until you've deleted enough so that the reserved blocks are freed again. |
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| 03:53.06 | landslide | I need to delete all folders names CVS (including their contents) recursively... anyone know the command I would use to do this? |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: how much is enough? I've deleted ~3G of a 32G filesystem |
| 03:53.11 | landslide | i was thinking find and xargs. |
| 03:53.17 | Guerin | landslide: find and xargd |
| 03:53.22 | landslide | ah ;) |
| 03:53.22 | Guerin | yep |
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| 03:54.07 | Guerin | or locate and xargs if you have an up-to-date database |
| 03:54.21 | litage | do you install LVM after partitioning your HDs and install the distro? |
| 03:54.26 | mrwoody | is there anyway to give a default NO for questions like ... but your version has been locally modified.What would you like to do about auto.misc |
| 03:54.29 | litage | s/install/installing/ |
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| 03:54.51 | Guerin | hrm, now I delete another gig of stuff, and df shows 282MB free |
| 03:54.56 | Guerin | wtf, yo |
| 03:55.19 | maher | Guerin: is something still writing to dik? |
| 03:55.25 | maher | Guerin: is something still writing to disk? |
| 03:55.35 | mrwoody | Guerin: unmount it and mount it again, if you can |
| 03:55.44 | Guerin | maher: nope |
| 03:56.00 | Frozen-Solid | i'm trying ot log into a website with lynx... but the website has a image verification thing, where its hows an image and you have to type in the letters the image shows -- is there a way to get that to work in lynx? |
| 03:56.02 | maher | Guerin: open files don't get freed until they are closed |
| 03:56.12 | Guerin | mrwoody: no change |
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| 03:56.17 | Guerin | mrwoody: i'm aware of this |
| 03:56.22 | mrwoody | Guerin: weird |
| 03:56.23 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:56.49 | Guerin | went through all this yesterday, already |
| 03:56.53 | Guerin | i'm just whining now |
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| 03:57.18 | Guerin | Frozen-Solid: unlikely. You can use elinks -g or somesuch |
| 03:57.41 | Frozen-Solid | ? |
| 03:58.02 | Guerin | Frozen-Solid: it's a console browser which does images |
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| 03:58.15 | Guerin | Frozen-Solid: don't just stand there looking confused, go check it out |
| 03:58.26 | Frozen-Solid | oh? but does this console browser work if you dont have x...? |
| 03:58.32 | Frozen-Solid | the only graphic setup i have is a libsdl |
| 03:58.32 | Guerin | amazingly, yes |
| 03:58.55 | Guerin | since you can display images or any arbitrary thing on a framebuffer console |
| 03:58.58 | Frozen-Solid | creepy |
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| 03:59.01 | Guerin | including video |
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| 04:01.43 | mrwoody | what does this mean: apt-get upgrade ... "The following packages have been kept back: ... " |
| 04:01.50 | mrwoody | ? |
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| 04:03.35 | Virtual- | can someone check this out and tell me why? I got it while compiling kernel : http://pastebin.com/317569 |
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| 04:04.12 | Frozen-Solid | Guerin: -g isn't a valid optoin apparently |
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| 04:05.34 | nvz | Frozen-Solid: you are invalid |
| 04:05.40 | Frozen-Solid | ... |
| 04:05.52 | nvz | you havent rtfm yet |
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| 04:06.33 | Frozen-Solid | dont be a jackass kthx. |
| 04:06.39 | nvz | sounds like links2 though |
| 04:07.38 | nvz | wfm |
| 04:07.40 | Frozen-Solid | and the manual, nor --help list anything about a "-g" option. i had already looked. |
| 04:07.48 | nvz | what are you using? |
| 04:07.56 | nvz | links2 has a graphical mode |
| 04:07.59 | Frozen-Solid | elinks. |
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| 04:08.20 | Frozen-Solid | Guerin told me to use elinks with elinks -g. that isnt an optoin. hence why i asked him abou tit. |
| 04:08.23 | nvz | Description: advanced text-mode WWW browser |
| 04:08.24 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.38 | Frozen-Solid | <Guerin> Frozen-Solid: unlikely. You can use elinks -g or somesuch |
| 04:08.38 | Frozen-Solid | <Frozen-Solid> ? |
| 04:08.38 | Frozen-Solid | <Guerin> Frozen-Solid: it's a console browser which does images |
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| 04:08.57 | Guerin | bah, sorry |
| 04:09.01 | Guerin | my bad |
| 04:09.07 | litage | can you use LVM for only specific partitions? |
| 04:09.13 | nvz | yeah so, guerin is in the middle of crying over his hd |
| 04:09.22 | Guerin | litage: EVAGUE |
| 04:09.29 | Guerin | nvz: boohoo, yeah, that's me |
| 04:09.40 | golly | In qtparted, I have two partitions which are type "free" and listed as /dev/hda-1 ....... I can't format them.....help! |
| 04:09.47 | Frozen-Solid | okay so it's links2? not elinks? |
| 04:09.54 | litage | Guerin: evague? |
| 04:09.58 | Guerin | golly: free means they'r eunpartitioned space |
| 04:10.06 | nvz | links2 definatly has graphics mode |
| 04:10.07 | Guerin | litage: Error - too vague |
| 04:10.13 | golly | nvz: how do I partition them? |
| 04:10.23 | Guerin | golly: using qtparted, I guess |
| 04:10.45 | golly | Guerin: but it doesn't give me that option |
| 04:10.48 | nvz | golly: is there a picture somewhere? |
| 04:10.57 | golly | nvz " a picture of what? |
| 04:11.11 | nvz | golly: I heard a picture was worth 1,000 words |
| 04:11.24 | dmattli | When a value is given for system load such as 1.78, what does that actually indicate? |
| 04:11.27 | nvz | golly: you only used 5 in your question |
| 04:11.38 | Guerin | dmattli: 1.78 jobs are waiting for the cpu |
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| 04:11.50 | nvz | golly: I havent the slightest clue "how do you partition them" |
| 04:12.04 | dmattli | Guerin: Thank you |
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| 04:12.30 | Guerin | golly: i heartily advise you to read and understand the documentation for your chosen partitioning tool before fucking with your harddrives |
| 04:12.39 | Guerin | i also strongly advocate backing up yo shit |
| 04:12.51 | Area-51 | ok, whats the deal with uber outdated software on testing... clamav has been outdated for like ever and mozilla firefox and mozilla thunderbird are 2 version out of date... i can understand a lag but this is just freakin rediculous |
| 04:13.15 | Guerin | Area-51: they're two versions out of date because two version have been released in the last week |
| 04:13.19 | nvz | and not randomly asking nvz silly questions in the middle of the night as if he is paying attention to everything you say for some reason |
| 04:13.28 | Guerin | Area-51: and the word is RIDICULOUS |
| 04:13.36 | mtnman | area-51: complaining about versions will get you nowhere. |
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| 04:13.48 | Area-51 | Guerin: i know my english sucks, sorry |
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| 04:13.59 | Area-51 | mtnman: it was originally phrased in a question |
| 04:14.00 | Frozen-Solid | woah. links2 is creepy |
| 04:14.05 | ed_ | hi |
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| 04:14.15 | Area-51 | Guerin: and those were just examples... |
| 04:14.18 | Guerin | Area-51: two pip versions doesn't make a package horribly out of date. You're not specific enough about clamav for me to comment. |
| 04:14.20 | nvz | wtf is creepy about it |
| 04:14.21 | mtnman | area-51: a question with heavy "tone" |
| 04:14.24 | litage | is it safe to mount /boot/ with these options?: nodev, noexec, nosuid |
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| 04:14.43 | Guerin | Area-51: well, if you have a query as to why something's not in testing, ask haxx.se: |
| 04:14.44 | Frozen-Solid | but sadly... it seems that it's not going to work on this box :( |
| 04:14.49 | rustedgod | Anyone running an acer laptop? Specifically the Ferrari (4005). I'm wondering what success people have had with getting everything to work |
| 04:14.50 | Area-51 | mtnman: yes, a question when normally spoken would have been kinda snide, sarcastic and notibly rude by some people |
| 04:14.56 | Guerin | !why is mozilla-firefox not in testing |
| 04:14.57 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-firefox |
| 04:15.12 | ed_ | a questuion abou unzip .zip file |
| 04:15.30 | nvz | rustedgod: fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 04:15.50 | Frozen-Solid | (*) DirectFB/InputDevice: Joystick 0.9 (convergence integrated media GmbH) <- :( so much for that idea |
| 04:15.55 | rustedgod | nvz: Think I havn't already? |
| 04:16.12 | nvz | rustedgod: why would you ask here? |
| 04:16.29 | Frozen-Solid | the framebuff is getting input from my joystick, instead of the keyboard i'm sshing in with. ah well guess i'm SOL |
| 04:16.35 | nvz | rustedgod: you either google it or try it and ask more specific questions if you are going to ask here |
| 04:16.47 | rustedgod | nvz: Uh, fair enough |
| 04:16.55 | Area-51 | Guerin: what happened? -- debian used to have their stick on the ice... now its like theyre not in the game |
| 04:17.13 | mtnman | area-51: get over yourself. |
| 04:17.34 | ed_ | Help! Does anyone here know how to unzip a .zip file in debian 3.1? |
| 04:17.40 | Area-51 | mtnman: get over myself? umm, not applicable in this case |
| 04:17.50 | Area-51 | im wondering whats going on |
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| 04:17.59 | golly | nvz : back on board......as if I care about where you are or what time it is, as if you're on a pedestal or something. |
| 04:18.05 | Guerin | Area-51: can you translate that into english for me? |
| 04:18.25 | nvz | !yinzersmite golly |
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| 04:18.56 | nvz | yip, yip yip, yip.. yip... yip. |
| 04:19.00 | mtnman | area-51: if you have a question about package versions, the first place you should look is packages.debian.org. gather information, and ask an informed question. |
| 04:19.01 | Area-51 | Guerin: sorry, my metaphors suck :P anyway, what happened to debian? they used to keep there stuff patched and up to date and released realitively quickly... now it seems like people are taking their time.. did i miss somethin? |
| 04:19.16 | Frozen-Solid | next optoin: is there a way to get a cookie from firefox and import it into lynx or elinks? |
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| 04:19.17 | Guerin | Area-51: unstable is pretty damn bleeding-edge |
| 04:19.31 | Area-51 | hmm |
| 04:19.36 | golly | nvz and dpkg : wtf? is this a debian forum for discussions on debian and not noobie abuse? |
| 04:19.43 | Guerin | Area-51: but the thing is, debian's just had a release, and is undergoing epochal changes in unstable - gcc and xorg, notable, with kde to follow |
| 04:20.33 | Area-51 | Guerin: seems logical, looks like i should switch to unstable so i could stop bitching 0;) |
| 04:20.34 | mtnman | golly: fyi, dpkg is a bot. |
| 04:20.38 | nvz | golly: you dont ask people questions with 5 letters.. I;ve probably spent over 200 hours on here this month.. I havent been sitting at the pc, awake, or even in the house that much |
| 04:20.50 | Guerin | Area-51: but really, debian's not behind the game. at the time ubuntu hoary was released, sarge actually had newer packages than it did |
| 04:21.08 | Guerin | Area-51: no, switching to unstable will cause you to bitch about a swag of other things |
| 04:21.10 | nvz | five words even. |
| 04:21.14 | Area-51 | lol |
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| 04:21.15 | golly | nvz it wasn't a complex q, so the less words the better |
| 04:21.17 | litage | how much disk space should be given to the / partition? |
| 04:21.26 | deadcat | litage: 4gig |
| 04:21.28 | mtnman | area-51: about "stop bitching"... i suggested that you do earlier, however in different words. |
| 04:21.42 | hxizan | :) |
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| 04:21.54 | nvz | thats the problem.. you stated the question as if you were showing me something I didn't see |
| 04:22.11 | Area-51 | Guerin: true true, but i guess i was expecting too much too fast from the debian package system cuz it has stages to go through before it hits a distro |
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| 04:22.24 | golly | nvz : OK....in order to get the help I need, what would you like to see, if yo'u're inclined to help instead of laugh |
| 04:22.27 | mtnman | area-51: complaining about debian will get you nowhere. it is a gift from the developers. you can take it or leave it, but complaining will get you nowhere. |
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| 04:22.54 | hxizan | how do I make use chroot with vsftp? |
| 04:23.00 | ed_ | who can help me? |
| 04:23.02 | Area-51 | mtnman: sarcastic or not, there were questions embedded in my complaints |
| 04:23.10 | ryan` | hey, I just upgraded from woody to sarge, and now vsftp won't let my users log in if they don't have a valid shell. |
| 04:23.14 | ryan` | any way to fix that? |
| 04:23.33 | mtnman | area-51: i think you will find people more likely to answer your questions if you drop the attitude. |
| 04:23.38 | rok47 | i think u need to add the type of shell to /etc/shells |
| 04:24.00 | rok47 | even if its /sbin/nologin or whatever |
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| 04:24.13 | nvz | fyi I came in the house a few minutes ago, sat here quietly drinking a glass of milk getting read to take off my shoes and go to sleep, then my screen flashes and you are asking me a question with five words that had nothing to do with what I am doing. |
| 04:24.17 | Area-51 | mtnman: attitude makes the world more interesting, so do aimless conversations |
| 04:24.25 | ryan` | gah, upstream problem. |
| 04:24.45 | nvz | whats hard to understand about asking a question to everyone instead of one random person |
| 04:24.46 | golly | nvz : hmm.... ah well...best go elsewhere. |
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| 04:24.58 | golly | nvz : no prob |
| 04:25.05 | mtnman | area-51: interesting can have a positive or negative value. they are not equal. |
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| 04:25.43 | mtnman | area-51: guess which way your "interesting" attitude is percieved. |
| 04:25.56 | Area-51 | mtnman: i tend to be a trend setter rather than a follower in most common situations |
| 04:25.58 | ed_ | anyone is free? |
| 04:26.09 | mtnman | area-51: how nice for you. |
| 04:26.13 | maher | ed_: just ask a question |
| 04:26.25 | Area-51 | yup yup :) |
| 04:27.11 | Area-51 | see, im a trend setter |
| 04:27.14 | Area-51 | :S |
| 04:27.23 | doub | Area-51: is it the new american way of life ? congratulating yourself for how wonderful you are, because noone else would anyway? |
| 04:27.24 | ed_ | anyone's free? |
| 04:27.44 | maher | ed_: you need to ask a question - if someone knows the answer they might tell you |
| 04:27.53 | Area-51 | doub: ive been a legal american for 8 years, so i can do stuff like that now :) |
| 04:28.00 | nvz | he wants to know if anyone is free.. heh |
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| 04:28.16 | Area-51 | ed_: im not free, but im low cost and offer group discounts |
| 04:28.56 | nvz | I had to turn the fucking light back on because he kept asking if I was free.. and I had to check and see thought someone might be strapping me in or something |
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| 04:29.21 | Area-51 | lol |
| 04:29.27 | Peartart | Can someone please help me and tell me how to fix this error |
| 04:29.28 | ed_ | help needed |
| 04:29.29 | maher | nvz: if you can't see the straps you're not looking hard enough |
| 04:29.30 | Peartart | http://pastebin.com/317588 |
| 04:29.46 | nvz | if I have to look then I dont really care |
| 04:30.14 | doub | Area-51: i must agree, you are a trend setter. everyone's on a trend to hate you |
| 04:30.43 | maher | Peartart: your mirror is out of date/malfunctioning - try again tomorrow |
| 04:30.54 | nvz | there are some things you just know.. like if someone is saying the shit over and over in your logs when you are trying to lay down |
| 04:30.56 | mtnman | doub: s/hate/\/ignore/ |
| 04:30.59 | Area-51 | doub: hate is such an awful word, i aim more to dislike or be irritated by... but at least i havnt hit the height of american society and add myself to bash.org |
| 04:31.15 | Peartart | maher: Thank you for telling me I suck lol |
| 04:31.27 | nvz | you just hear the pattern of your hd whirring a certain way and you know someone is doing something wrong |
| 04:31.28 | litage | on a server, how much space should be given to /usr? |
| 04:31.42 | doub | mtnman: well, that's quite the same. anyway, subject closed |
| 04:31.58 | maher | Peartart: you don't suck - the broken mirror isnothing to do with you |
| 04:32.04 | Area-51 | nvz: but can you tell the load averages on a specific machine by the sound of the hdd? :\ |
| 04:32.09 | Peartart | maher: Oh |
| 04:32.59 | maher | Peartart: you could try a different mirror, but you could also just wait a bit and try again |
| 04:33.18 | doub | nvz: you're lucky you can hear your hd. all my boxes here make more noise due to fans than hds |
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| 04:33.52 | nvz | heh |
| 04:34.07 | ed_ | hello |
| 04:34.09 | nvz | well I keep getting comfy so I dont call it lucky right now |
| 04:34.24 | nvz | let me guess, is anyone free? |
| 04:34.37 | ed_ | i am |
| 04:35.15 | Area-51 | im 50% off |
| 04:35.28 | ed_ | im free now |
| 04:35.47 | ed_ | help needed |
| 04:35.57 | ed_ | who may help me? |
| 04:36.05 | doub | dpkg: tell ed_ -about ask |
| 04:36.21 | floppyears | ed_: nobody will be able to help you unless you ask your question :) |
| 04:36.39 | ed_ | how to unzip a .zip file in debian 3.1? |
| 04:36.51 | floppyears | ed_: with the unzip command |
| 04:36.57 | doub | ed_: apt-get install unzip && unzip <file> |
| 04:37.09 | doub | ed_: or unzip only if you're lucky |
| 04:37.09 | Area-51 | ed_: "unzip -e file.zip" the man page to unzip is wonderful |
| 04:37.13 | ed_ | I con't find it in /usr/bin. |
| 04:37.21 | Area-51 | ed_: then install it |
| 04:37.24 | floppyears | ed_: that's because you don't have it installed |
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| 04:37.25 | doub | ed_: the first one then |
| 04:37.31 | floppyears | ed_: aptitude install unzip |
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| 04:37.39 | ed_ | thankdoub. |
| 04:37.48 | ed_ | i'll try it. |
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| 04:38.27 | doub | floppyears: i guess you have some kind of overpowered and oversized box, to prefer aptitude to apt-get |
| 04:39.00 | floppyears | doub: no, not really |
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| 04:39.12 | floppyears | doub: why would I want to use aptitude instead of apt-get ? |
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| 04:40.07 | Area-51 | apt-get > * |
| 04:40.10 | doub | floppyears: you did advice aptitude, which is slower for quite no benefits on the command line, and often adds a lot of useless stuff (the 'recommends') automagically |
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| 04:40.50 | Area-51 | (im not trying to be an ass this time) is there a benefit to debian over gentoo and its relatively up to date packages? |
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| 04:40.53 | ronino | hello |
| 04:41.11 | ronino | how can i see, what services are currently running? those from /etc/init.d |
| 04:41.30 | maher | Area-51: 9/10 ricers prefer gentoo :) |
| 04:41.32 | Frozen-Solid | nvz: that links2 app works, except that my box's framebuffer apprentl yisn't working too well -- so you know of a way to deal with logging into a site that requires one of those image verification thingies? |
| 04:41.32 | doub | floppyears: besides that, aptitude can be useful for "i don't really know what i want" situations |
| 04:41.35 | saboteur | ronino: ps and netstat ? |
| 04:41.47 | Area-51 | maher: ricers? |
| 04:42.00 | Area-51 | sorry, i didnt catch on to that one :\ |
| 04:42.07 | mombof | anywho know where i put a hdparm script to run at boot? |
| 04:42.17 | saboteur | ricers are people that use boost controllers instead of fitting aftermarket ecus aren't they? :) |
| 04:42.18 | Area-51 | mombof: look at /etc/hdparm.conf? |
| 04:42.27 | mombof | thx |
| 04:42.34 | maher | Area-51: http://funroll-loops.org/ |
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| 04:42.49 | ronino | saboteur: hmm, a long time ago i used mandrake, you had a simple command (which i forgot) to print only the running services, ps prints all running processes... |
| 04:42.53 | Frozen-Solid | ... bah fine be that way :( |
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| 04:43.16 | mombof | Area-51, thats what i needed :) |
| 04:43.18 | nick23 | When tarring a Windows hard drive, why does it truncuate the filenames? I use tar cvf to create the tar file... |
| 04:43.28 | Frozen-Solid | i just wanna post on a forum from my gamecube - is that so much to ask for? :( |
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| 04:44.10 | ronino | saboteur: a running apache for example is not listed with ps |
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| 04:44.27 | maher | Ronin: ps auxw |
| 04:44.42 | floppyears | doub: having the logs in my opinion can be very useful for figuring out what packages cause problems |
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| 04:45.15 | saboteur | ronino: it is called httpd, i see your point i don't think that debian keeps the state of the services running |
| 04:45.20 | doub | floppyears: logs? what logs? |
| 04:45.43 | paul` | I am starting my first debian install now. from floppy disk in a box with no cdrom drive :) Should I beware of any pitfalls in this method? |
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| 04:46.03 | ronino | saboteur: with maher's suggestion, all process were printed |
| 04:46.10 | ronino | saboteur: apache amongst them |
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| 04:47.00 | jonathan_ | i'm having problems with php4 under sid. Instead of evaluating the php, apache is returning it. php-cli successfully evaluates it though. Any ideas? |
| 04:47.20 | saboteur | jonathan: have you got an AddType line for it? |
| 04:47.59 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah jonathan_ you need to tell apache that it needs to pass it to the php engine, rather than just sending it as plain text. nothing to do with php itself ;) |
| 04:48.14 | saboteur | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 04:48.18 | maher | jonathan_: look in /usr/share/doc/php4 |
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| 04:49.16 | litage | what's /srv used for? |
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| 04:49.19 | ed_ | sorry, I missed the answer of my question. |
| 04:49.56 | ed_ | is dub here? |
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| 04:50.04 | potash | any known trouble with running two nic's on sarge ? having trouble w/ a DFE-530TX+ and a KNE100TX running at the same time ... |
| 04:50.19 | ed_ | here is my question? |
| 04:50.31 | asdfasdfasdf | is aspell broken in sid ? |
| 04:50.39 | ed_ | where to get zip installed? |
| 04:50.48 | mrwoody | is there anyway to give a default NO for apt-get upgrade to avoid questions like ... but your version has been locally modified.What would you like to do about auto.misc |
| 04:50.51 | jclinton | asdfasdfasdf: yes it is |
| 04:50.55 | h3xis | ed_, apt-get install zip? |
| 04:51.17 | ed_ | yes. how? |
| 04:51.28 | h3xis | what do you mean how? |
| 04:51.34 | floppyears | doub: it keeps track of packages updates removals, etc. So that if something goes wrong you can look back at what packages you have removed/updated etc recently |
| 04:51.43 | h3xis | go into a terminal and type, apt-get install zip and hit enter |
| 04:51.48 | h3xis | it'll download and install by itself |
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| 04:51.59 | ugly | .oO(is zip in non-free?) |
| 04:52.19 | ed_ | I did. but it was denied. |
| 04:52.26 | h3xis | ed_, as root? |
| 04:52.35 | ed_ | yes. |
| 04:52.49 | h3xis | ed_, run apt-get update |
| 04:53.16 | ed_ | ok, thanks. t'll try it again. |
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| 04:54.43 | bob2 | ugly: no |
| 04:54.48 | ugly | ok |
| 04:54.54 | bob2 | !+info zip |
| 04:55.02 | dpkg | zip: (Archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.31-3 (sid), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 204 kB |
| 04:56.05 | doub | floppyears: never seen this in action. but as i've seen on some website, it's easy to do this for apt-get with a pre-install hook in the apt config file, using, say, logger. |
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| 04:56.27 | doub | floppyears: after that, it's a matter of taste and available horsepower, i guess |
| 04:56.37 | jclinton | hello everyone: i installed a version of FFMPEG and supporting libraries from an un-official source and am done with them now... how do I roll back to "offical" ffmpeg packages using apt? i have removed the unofficial source from my sources.list |
| 04:56.49 | floppyears | doub: true |
| 04:57.00 | doub | floppyears: i don't like aptitude for precicely the latter, but that's just me |
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| 04:57.13 | ed_ | I still not get it. here is my response "/usr/bin# apt-get install unzip |
| 04:57.13 | ed_ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 04:57.13 | ed_ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 04:57.13 | ed_ | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 04:57.13 | ed_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 04:57.46 | ugly | pretty sure no one told him to install UNzip |
| 04:57.59 | ugly | oh nm |
| 04:58.00 | ugly | heh |
| 04:58.30 | doub | ugly: i did |
| 04:58.37 | ugly | yea I noticed in lastlog |
| 04:58.48 | ugly | he then came back asking how to install zip |
| 04:58.55 | ugly | because he is gimpy |
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| 04:59.30 | tomb0y | f im using lilo.. and i just compiled a new kernel, and something went wrong with it, so it panics, when i reboot box, how do i tell lilo to load one of the other kernels in lilo.conf besides the default one ? and is there a way to see what labels are define in lilo.conf pre boot? |
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| 05:00.58 | doub | ugly: am i right? |
| 05:01.18 | h3xis | tomb0y, you still have the old kernel sources? |
| 05:01.32 | ed_ | sorry, but my problem is still there. |
| 05:01.48 | tomb0y | h3xis: yea i just added a new line for the new kernel, and changed which to default load. |
| 05:01.56 | doub | ed_: look harder, the answer is on what you flooded us with |
| 05:02.27 | tomb0y | h3xis: just i name the labels as kernel-0220 or something like that, dependin on date i compiled it.. and well, i dont recall the 'exact' names of the others avail that i know can boot |
| 05:02.46 | h3xis | tomb0y, you got a rescue disk(c) laying around somewhere? |
| 05:02.53 | ed_ | after i tried, i still not got the unzip command. |
| 05:03.06 | mrwoody | doub: how to log apt-get? |
| 05:03.15 | doub | ed_: after you tried what? |
| 05:03.16 | ed_ | /usr/bin |
| 05:03.19 | ugly | ed_: you have package problems, run 'apt-get -f install' before running anything else |
| 05:03.27 | ugly | ed_: (as the error message very clearly stated) |
| 05:03.45 | mrwoody | the question is: does ed_ speak english? ;-) |
| 05:03.48 | tomb0y | h3xis: i have several install cds, guess i can go that route, but figured lilo had a better option than that, guess maybe ill switch over to grub then. |
| 05:03.49 | ed_ | ok, i'll try |
| 05:03.56 | doub | ed_: its already written, see : ' 06:57 < ed_> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:' |
| 05:04.12 | h3xis | tomb0y, i'm not too familiar with lilo. i've used it once or twice but i prefer grub |
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| 05:04.29 | tomb0y | h3xis: yea guess gotta find a cdrom drive first heh. sigh :/ |
| 05:04.45 | h3xis | o.O |
| 05:05.49 | doub | mrwoody: i dont remember exactly. the idea is to add a 'logger' command in the apt-get config file, section 'Pre-Install hook' iirc. see the apt-get man page, or maybe apt-howto, whatever |
| 05:06.21 | doub | mrwoody: i think that's precicely the apt-howto i red this in |
| 05:06.51 | ed_ | Yahoo! thank doub. I got them. than you very much |
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| 05:07.21 | ed_ | sorry guys. this my first time here. |
| 05:07.32 | useruser | how do you tell dpkg to overwrite a factoid with a new one? |
| 05:07.43 | useruser | the "truetype" factoid is hopelessly out of date |
| 05:08.09 | jariep1_ | how do you unrar a multipart file? |
| 05:08.10 | doub | ed_: no problem, but please remember, a debian system quite never writes something without a reason, so read what's written. the answer was just before your eyes |
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| 05:11.03 | ed_ | Yes. I saw that massage, but not pay atten on them. i learnt something from you. anyway, thanks again. |
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| 05:19.48 | black13 | is there a home page for twm window manager |
| 05:19.54 | ufoalien | yes |
| 05:20.23 | ufoalien | http://www.uwo.ca/its/doc/hdi/x11/x4-twm.html could help you |
| 05:20.31 | black13 | thank you |
| 05:20.44 | deadcat | damn the page looks better than the window manager |
| 05:21.19 | black13 | awesome i appreciate it i need a description for a short write i need for other developers in the group |
| 05:21.28 | ufoalien | black13: The source code is no longer developed, but old TWM archives for various releases of X are available. |
| 05:21.37 | ufoalien | fucked up |
| 05:21.41 | black13 | yeah its crappy |
| 05:21.46 | black13 | but its there' |
| 05:22.31 | black13 | i still need twm wne the the application is finishe startx will start the applicaiton not twm |
| 05:22.46 | ufoalien | still uses blackbox |
| 05:22.57 | ufoalien | black13: heard about .Xsession? |
| 05:22.59 | mrwoody | doub: thanks |
| 05:23.34 | black13 | ufoalien of coarse |
| 05:23.55 | ufoalien | black13: maybe I did'nt understand you right, you want to startx -> goes to xterm and not to twm? |
| 05:24.28 | black13 | .xinitrc lauches my program |
| 05:24.40 | cougar` | away |
| 05:24.46 | ufoalien | (jep, I really didn't/don't understand you ;) |
| 05:24.49 | ufoalien | cougar`: ? |
| 05:24.56 | cougar` | Hello there |
| 05:25.03 | cougar` | I missed the / in front of /away |
| 05:25.06 | cougar` | :P |
| 05:25.09 | ufoalien | cougar`: hehe |
| 05:25.35 | cougar` | Wyzard : You there? I need your help. firehol is creating massive LOGs! |
| 05:25.59 | cougar` | 11 Mb in 1 DAY! |
| 05:26.06 | black13 | ufoalien i have built a derivative of debian sarge with xorg and trimmed it down to 32 meg ... |
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| 05:26.52 | ufoalien | cougar`: ? |
| 05:27.01 | ufoalien | cougar`: ah sry, |
| 05:27.52 | shimano55 | Question, For some reason, I can't change my screensaver. There isn't xscreensaver to open in the App menu, and I don't know the command to open it. Can anyone give me a hand? |
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| 05:28.41 | ufoalien | shimano55: xscreensaver-demo |
| 05:28.52 | black13 | ufoalien would you know of link that describes the twm config files ie. system.twmrc? |
| 05:29.36 | ufoalien | shimano55: that will start a configuration gui for xscreensaver, then you click file, re(start) daemon and xscreensaver workds |
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| 05:30.02 | steveO_Laptop | hello all |
| 05:30.31 | black13 | cool cowboy bebop |
| 05:30.38 | steveO_Laptop | how do I enable acpi? |
| 05:30.40 | ufoalien | black13: http://physics.wm.edu/unix_intro/loginmht/twmrc.html |
| 05:30.50 | ufoalien | steveO_Laptop: you have to built it into your kernel |
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| 05:31.31 | black13 | ufoalien thanks again ... i hate writting docs but i have to |
| 05:31.34 | steveO_Laptop | ok could you tell me were is it in the kernel? save time that is ;) |
| 05:32.01 | steveO_Laptop | thanks |
| 05:32.03 | tomb0y | ok if i load up a install cd, goto a 2nd console, mount a harddrive under there, edit lilo.conf to change what kernel to boot up, how do i get lilo to save that info? since y ou have to manually run /sbin/lilo but this is mounted in a non-normal way. |
| 05:32.30 | maher | tomb0y: chroot into the mounted dir and run lilo from there |
| 05:32.34 | shimano55 | ufoalien, thanks man |
| 05:32.49 | maher | tomb0y: i.e. chroot /mountpoint, then run lilo |
| 05:33.09 | ufoalien | steveO_Laptop: can't you read? Power management options (___ACPI___, APM) |
| 05:33.53 | steveO_Laptop | ;) |
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| 05:34.12 | tomb0y | maher: ok thanks |
| 05:34.24 | ufoalien | steveO_Laptop: read the /usr/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation/power/* |
| 05:34.27 | ufoalien | files |
| 05:34.34 | Withdraw_ | when i use patch for this patch http://pastebin.com/317605 |
| 05:34.39 | Withdraw_ | what is my p offset value |
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| 05:34.44 | ufoalien | steveO_Laptop: and also read what apt-get install acpid does |
| 05:34.51 | Withdraw_ | like when i do patch -p1 <../util-linux-2.11y.diff |
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| 05:36.09 | ufoalien | steveO_Laptop: and read which acpi you want on your laptop (there are dell features, asus_acpi (which I coded a bit (\o/)) and other= |
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| 05:36.35 | steveO_Laptop | ufoalien, thanks alot that gets me on my way!!! |
| 05:36.56 | shuveb | what can i do to encrypt packets on my LAN? |
| 05:37.08 | ufoalien | steveO_Laptop: please ask google first next time |
| 05:37.14 | ufoalien | shuveb: ssh? openvpn |
| 05:37.18 | ufoalien | stunnel? |
| 05:37.43 | ufoalien | using power over wlan and killing everyone near you? |
| 05:38.11 | Withdraw_ | is 'patch -p5 <../util-linux-2.11y.diff' correct for... |
| 05:38.11 | Withdraw_ | http://pastebin.com/317605 |
| 05:38.31 | shuveb | useruser, i want to encrypt all the traffic on the LAN |
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| 05:38.40 | ufoalien | shuveb: use openvpn! |
| 05:38.42 | shuveb | is there a painless way to set this up? |
| 05:39.05 | shuveb | ufoalien, but i thought open VPN is for setting VPNs! |
| 05:39.08 | ufoalien | shuning: and search on google how it works, you'll need tun/tap in your kernel |
| 05:39.30 | ufoalien | shuveb: and vpn's can encrypt all you're traffic |
| 05:39.39 | shuveb | ufoalien, i already tried it.... i want a multiple client to single server config! |
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| 05:39.56 | mrwoody | is there anyway to give a default NO for apt-get upgrade to avoid questions like ... but your version has been locally modified.What would you like to do about auto.misc |
| 05:40.25 | ufoalien | shuning: hm. shit, man, dumb, then use ccencrypt and cdrypt for every package |
| 05:40.44 | ufoalien | mrwoody: yes |
| 05:41.07 | reamtS | I have few computers network and each of them have 30gb free, is it possible to cluster those many free 30gb as one network drive or something? Is there a program that does that? |
| 05:41.21 | ufoalien | mrwoody: apt-get upgrade --yes |
| 05:41.35 | ufoalien | or --force--yes |
| 05:42.14 | ufoalien | reamtS: you can mount every hd on one computer with nfs |
| 05:42.36 | ufoalien | reamtS: would be as if you had few 30gb partitions on your pc |
| 05:42.43 | ufoalien | s/pc/main-hd |
| 05:42.49 | reamtS | ufoalien: can I put it as one? |
| 05:42.57 | ufoalien | nevertried |
| 05:43.04 | reamtS | like 10 computers and 10x30gb |
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| 05:43.53 | black13 | http://www.strath.ac.uk/CC/Courses/oldXC/subsection3_9_2.html |
| 05:44.00 | ufoalien | reamtS: i never tried that, but would be interesting |
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| 05:44.14 | reamtS | yea |
| 05:44.39 | ufoalien | black13: it doesn't wirk? :( |
| 05:44.41 | ufoalien | work |
| 05:45.33 | black13 | no just sharing some links ... i know how it works i just need some verbiage for anyone who uses my build system |
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| 05:47.04 | ufoalien | black13: will you mail me a link to your project when it's finished? I'll test it (nicolas@weyland.ch) |
| 05:47.35 | black13 | i need a place to put the files |
| 05:47.54 | black13 | but i can give you basic idea ... in the basic steps right here right now |
| 05:48.11 | black13 | 1) use deboostrap to make a chroot ... |
| 05:48.31 | black13 | 2) use rsynch to selective copy from chroot to directory call target |
| 05:48.49 | black13 | 3) turn target into something that boots |
| 05:48.53 | ufoalien | black13: sry, don't have more than 15mb webspace |
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| 05:49.11 | ufoalien | black13: good ideas |
| 05:49.15 | black13 | rsync has a nice feature that you can use an exclude file |
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| 05:49.45 | ufoalien | black13: :D |
| 05:50.07 | black13 | when i copy using rsync i tell rsync not to copy the man pages the static lib files an any thing else |
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| 05:50.53 | black13 | target has to be combined with my own etc files |
| 05:51.32 | black13 | it works i have added xorg and sdl |
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| 05:52.37 | graciela | x |
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| 05:54.52 | Ick | how do i add unstable packages to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 05:55.20 | ufoalien | black13: :) |
| 05:56.06 | ufoalien | Ick: you have replace the old apt-mirror's with an unstable one and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (will take much time) |
| 05:56.23 | black13 | i am very proud of this thing ... its taken about a year of work and dead ends ... initally i started working with gentoo catalyst or linux from scratch |
| 05:56.32 | Ick | ufoalien: where's a decent apt mirror? |
| 05:56.42 | Ick | nm, i'll ask dpkg |
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| 05:56.58 | ke6isf | Ick: apt-setup. Pick one. If it works, it's decent. If it doesn't, it's not. |
| 05:57.22 | Ick | oh, wicked. |
| 05:57.37 | ke6isf | Ick: Heck, pick a bunch. If one stops working, you just kinda fall over to the next one. |
| 05:57.52 | ufoalien | Ick: ask google |
| 05:58.00 | black13 | but build a chroot ... use rsynch exclude to make target then make the target directory |
| 05:58.34 | black13 | bootable using grub or isolinux |
| 05:58.41 | black13 | or syslinux |
| 06:00.24 | ufoalien | hm |
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| 06:02.59 | tarzeau | say i put something in /etc/cron.daily, i should run some command to register/activate it? |
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| 06:05.45 | raffy_s56 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:06.07 | karsten | raffy_s56: <alt><shift><numlock> |
| 06:06.16 | karsten | raffy_s56: ...then your keypad navigates. |
| 06:06.41 | karsten | raffy_s56: 12346789 == direction. |
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| 06:07.30 | raffy_s56 | is it enabled in all linux distros? |
| 06:07.34 | llama32 | is it wrong to marry your sister-in-law? |
| 06:07.42 | karsten | raffy_s56: it's part of XF86, so yes. |
| 06:07.54 | karsten | raffy_s56: IIRC it's actually part of the X spec, but don't ask me where. |
| 06:08.56 | Frozen-Solid | does anyone know how to get links2 to save cookies? or if it even can... searching for that on google is turning out to be pretty useless :( |
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| 06:09.15 | raffy_s56 | thanks! :D |
| 06:09.21 | karsten | raffy_s56: NP |
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| 06:10.18 | ke6isf | links2? |
| 06:10.29 | Frozen-Solid | i'm trying to get links2 to save a cookie on my box that has access to graphics, so i can open the cookied sites on my box that doesnta llow graphics |
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| 06:10.47 | ke6isf | *explores this links2...* |
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| 06:13.29 | black13 | where can i find an online man or the file menudefs.hook |
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| 06:14.22 | karsten | black13: manual pages? Google 'linnux man pages'. Or "debian documentation manual" for folks who've got their Debian docs online. |
| 06:15.02 | karsten | black13: http://newton.waglo.com/dwww/man/ |
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| 06:15.37 | tom_ | Hi all. I've decided that upgrading one of our old servers from woody->sarge has broken everything. Can I roll back to woody from sarge? |
| 06:15.58 | black13 | karsten thanks |
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| 06:16.57 | liable | tom_: I presume you have a backup for a server. |
| 06:17.12 | tom_ | yes we have backups |
| 06:17.19 | black13 | is menudefs.hook a debian-ism |
| 06:17.42 | tom_ | but since upgrading to sarge (a couple of days ago), the data on that server has changed - so rolling back to woody via backups is not really feasible. |
| 06:17.55 | Trace | hello, i am using fluxbox, and now i want to get a tool to show a program start , just like a circle in gnome and a funnel in KDE, anyidea? |
| 06:18.30 | karsten | black13: NP |
| 06:18.43 | karsten | Trace: Icons? |
| 06:18.50 | karsten | Trace: You want desktop icons? |
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| 06:19.19 | karsten | tom_: Not easilly. |
| 06:19.26 | tom_ | Damn. |
| 06:19.35 | liable | tom_: whats so broken anyway? did you read the release notes? |
| 06:19.52 | Trace | no, sorry for my english, i mean, when i click a icon, i want a icon to show the program start. |
| 06:19.54 | karsten | tom_: Check /var/backups/ for prior package states, prior to your update. |
| 06:20.06 | karsten | tom_: Easiest would actually be to install fresh, then apply local state and config. |
| 06:20.11 | karsten | tom_: ... on a second system. |
| 06:20.23 | karsten | Trace: I don't understand. |
| 06:20.26 | litage | what's /dev/shm ? |
| 06:20.38 | karsten | Trace: litage shared memory, I think. |
| 06:20.49 | tom_ | Well, sarge installs perl 5.8.x - since upgrading, we've discovered that one of the pieces of software we run is incompatible and needs to be run on perl 5.6.x... I've tried rolling back to perl 5.6.x but the /etc/apt/preferences file seems to be getting ignored. |
| 06:20.53 | litage | thanks karsten |
| 06:21.05 | Trace | for example, when you click an icon in gnome, there a circle when this program start. |
| 06:21.09 | karsten | Trace: You might want to look at the packages desklaunch and idesk, which are what I was thinking of. |
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| 06:21.30 | black13 | karsten didnt find anything on the newton.waglo.com site about menu.hook |
| 06:21.31 | Trace | thx!! i will have a look. |
| 06:21.31 | sandman | Has anyone used the OQO yet? |
| 06:21.39 | tom_ | karsten - I believe he wants the mouse cursor to change to some sort of animated cursor when something is loading. |
| 06:21.41 | karsten | Trace: You *can* install perl backports, I think. Or create your own local perl environment under /usr/local. |
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| 06:21.53 | karsten | tom_: ... or build out a server using UML, qemu, Xen, etc. |
| 06:22.08 | karsten | tom_: Your ESP-fu is stronger than mine |
| 06:22.28 | karsten | black13: I think that's in Debian Policy. |
| 06:22.40 | tom_ | karsten - that's way too much work for such a simple task. all I want to do is get perl 5.6 running through mod_perl. |
| 06:23.03 | karsten | tom_: *shrug*. Fax me a dollar and I'll fax it back to you. |
| 06:23.20 | tom_ | Which is harder than it sounds. Apparently perl 5.6.x is still installed on the server (it wasn't _un_installed when we upgraded). |
| 06:23.24 | tom_ | Right. |
| 06:24.15 | landslide | is there any way to display the octet mode of a file with ls or some other command? |
| 06:24.18 | tarzeau | i have two scripts in /etc/cron.daily but they don't seem to run, if i run them manually all works fine |
| 06:24.26 | tom_ | Thanks anyway, karsten. |
| 06:24.29 | landslide | ie. other than [drwx etc] |
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| 06:24.39 | tarzeau | how could i find out what's wrong? |
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| 06:25.12 | karsten | tarzeau: Paste your crontab line. |
| 06:25.26 | karsten | tarzeau: Doh. |
| 06:25.38 | karsten | tarzeau: Are they executable? Who owns 'em? What permissions? |
| 06:25.54 | tarzeau | karsten: crontab line of /etc/cron.daily? where do i find that? |
| 06:26.04 | tarzeau | karsten: yes executabl, root:root, 755 |
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| 06:26.49 | hxizan | hi all |
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| 06:27.03 | karsten | tarzeau: What are the script names? |
| 06:27.09 | pingoo | Does debian support for 64 bit PC? |
| 06:27.12 | karsten | tarzeau: There's a few forbidden things. |
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| 06:27.30 | tarzeau | karsten: they used to work with woody, but now there's a problem with sarge. dphys-local-motd and dphys-motd |
| 06:27.36 | karsten | tarzeau: ...and cron.daily runs out of /etc/crontab using 'run-parts'. |
| 06:28.09 | karsten | tarzeau: OK. That's sane. I know *.dpkg-{new,old} won't run. |
| 06:28.11 | tarzeau | karsten: ahhh maybe i just had not enough patience. i was looking for /etc/crontab |
| 06:28.25 | tarzeau | karsten: it runs hourly 17 minutes past |
| 06:28.28 | karsten | tarzeau: ... not sure about other chars... |
| 06:28.42 | karsten | tarzeau: 'daily' should run once daily. |
| 06:28.44 | tarzeau | oh and the daily one runs 25 past 6 |
| 06:28.58 | hxizan | how do I make vsftpd works with users which have /bin/false shell? |
| 06:29.00 | tarzeau | so no reboot would help :) karsten i think it'll work, i just need to wait one day |
| 06:29.01 | karsten | tarzeau: Right. Mind, if you've got anacron installed, it'll run at other times, variously. |
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| 06:29.18 | karsten | tarzeau: OK. You can fake it by setting 'daily' to run like, say, now. |
| 06:29.31 | tarzeau | karsten: i'll just wait a day i guess |
| 06:29.39 | karsten | tarzeau: Whatever. Should work. |
| 06:30.27 | karsten | black13: http://newton.waglo.com/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man3/menu_hook.3menu.gz |
| 06:30.35 | karsten | black13: ...that's yoru menu.hook docs, BTW. |
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| 06:30.40 | hxizan | because I don't want my ftp users can log in to ftp server with their account |
| 06:30.56 | karsten | black13: You mostly want to look at this one though: http://newton.waglo.com/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=menu/3MENU |
| 06:31.00 | emplehesaelp | Has anyone here installed an ircd with anope as services? |
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| 06:31.35 | black13 | yep i found part of what i was looking for |
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| 06:31.45 | black13 | thanks again |
| 06:31.52 | emplehesaelp | help...? |
| 06:32.16 | karsten | !tell emplehesaelp about ask |
| 06:32.23 | cougar` | !seen Wyzard |
| 06:32.24 | dpkg | wyzard is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 15341 messages. Is idling for 5h 15m 44s |
| 06:32.35 | cougar` | Thanks dkpg :P Good bot |
| 06:32.42 | dak | any idea when kde will be fixed ? |
| 06:33.02 | emplehesaelp | !tell cougar` thanks |
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| 06:33.12 | emplehesaelp | lol |
| 06:33.18 | emplehesaelp | (impressive) |
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| 06:33.30 | hxizan | how do I make vsftpd works with users which have /bin/false shell |
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| 06:33.44 | karsten | !tell hxizan about repeat |
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| 06:34.58 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 06:35.31 | black13 | i know basically what the .dot file does its customization fot the right click desktop menus |
| 06:38.22 | beardy | what the hell happened with dpkg yesterday? |
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| 06:38.39 | teufel | I updated the time with the hwclock --set command but on my webpage where I have display time, it still is using what it used to be set to... |
| 06:38.51 | karsten | beardy: Holiday. |
| 06:38.58 | karsten | beardy: ... or Holidpkg. |
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| 06:39.10 | karsten | teufel: apt-cache show ntpd |
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| 06:39.35 | karsten | teufel: um. Well. search it anyway. |
| 06:39.55 | teufel | heh ok |
| 06:39.55 | karsten | Is it just me, or is Guido von Rossum looking more and more like Dr. Who as time goes by? |
| 06:39.58 | beardy | teufel: You have to set the systems time after the hwclocks time after setting hwclock. To do that, do, 'hwclock -hctosys'. Please read hwclocks manpage. |
| 06:40.24 | karsten | teufel: ntpdate, I think. |
| 06:40.56 | beardy | karsten: He changed nick to several others, and as a final Abdul-something, then quit, oh well. |
| 06:41.06 | karsten | beardy: Sorry? |
| 06:42.59 | beardy | karsten: I had a /msg session opened with "him", and that's what I saw, I closed it, so I can't show you though.. unless irssi has some hidden windowhistory. |
| 06:43.15 | karsten | beardy: Um. Who's "him"? |
| 06:43.22 | beardy | The bot, dpkg |
| 06:43.23 | karsten | beardy: ... Oh. dpkg. |
| 06:43.34 | karsten | beardy: Yeah. Some luser picked up his nick for a while. |
| 06:43.45 | beardy | karsten: Ok. |
| 06:44.54 | litage | what's the difference between a primary and logical partition? |
| 06:45.06 | tarzeau | how could i make a list of all available packages of sid with the download url ? |
| 06:45.31 | karsten | litage: Primary are limited to 1-4. Logical go into an extended partition. You can have lots of 'em. |
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| 06:46.37 | litage | karsten: so /boot should be primary and the rest of the partitions should be logical? |
| 06:46.47 | beardy | litage: A logical partition is a partition created inside an "extended partition", you can have many logical partitions inside an extended partition. Extended partition exists so it is possible to have more than four partitions, which is the maximum amount of primary partitions you can have on one harddrive. |
| 06:47.28 | dak | so no one knows when gcc4 is going to be fixed with kde and stuff ? |
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| 06:49.43 | FaithX | Hey guys, how do I tell apt-get that I want to install a package out of testing as opposed to stable? |
| 06:50.09 | liable | FaithX: google apt pinning |
| 06:50.19 | FaithX | thanks liable |
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| 06:52.23 | landslide | is there a way to check a files numerical mode (ie. in octets) 775 etc? |
| 06:52.31 | landslide | ls always shows characters. |
| 06:53.04 | tarzeau | landslide: stat file |
| 06:53.14 | landslide | thanks! |
| 06:53.38 | liable | meh, I think my cdrom drive is dying |
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| 06:54.46 | hefty | anyone knows a web based service where you can quickly upload files without requiering membership or so? |
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| 06:55.40 | landslide | how do I chmod directories only? |
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| 06:57.44 | black13 | take care yall |
| 06:58.24 | Kven | Anyone could hint me possible reasons for about a 30 sec delay between the xdm login screen and fluxbox being loaded? |
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| 06:58.51 | jetx | what is ABI, as in gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI |
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| 07:00.19 | jetx | nm, nn |
| 07:00.20 | liable | hmm, if kernel probes ide1 but doesnt find hdc on one boot, but does on another, you would be thinking hardware eh? |
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| 07:01.31 | technos | liable: Yup. I would be thinking the drive is approaching death personally.. Or, I would expect to find one of those Promise controllers that like to intermittantly initialize themselves. |
| 07:01.50 | fyn | Is there anyway to turn off wordwrap in less? It's not called that in the manpage and less it a bitch to google :P |
| 07:02.49 | liable | technos: nah intel, just booted about 4 times, ide1 probed and found hdc only once.. :( |
| 07:03.10 | technos | liable: In that case I'd think dead drive. :) |
| 07:03.28 | liable | technos: yep, thats what i'm thinking :( |
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| 07:03.59 | zck | hi |
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| 07:04.15 | zck | please, can anybody tell me where can I download potato disket install images? |
| 07:04.23 | Altair | hello, good morning |
| 07:04.57 | Altair | anybody uses debian and have installed firefox from source code? |
| 07:05.07 | technos | I'll agree with the 'morning' part, but good? I wouldn't be so daring to say that! |
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| 07:08.47 | Altair | haha |
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| 07:09.12 | Altair | in spain, are the 9:00 AM |
| 07:09.23 | Triffid_Hunter | oh god doing anything from source in debian is a mission :/ |
| 07:09.26 | Altair | is a very good morning :) |
| 07:09.49 | Altair | why? |
| 07:09.58 | Altair | all in my debian is using source code |
| 07:10.06 | Altair | kde, gcc, etc |
| 07:10.20 | Triffid_Hunter | lol |
| 07:10.26 | Altair | ;) |
| 07:10.39 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah been down that route before.. got to be too much of a nightmare to maintain |
| 07:10.58 | Altair | but I have a strangle problem installing firefox |
| 07:11.16 | Altair | error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:11.36 | Altair | libstdc is in gcc, I think |
| 07:12.03 | Altair | but I hav gcc 3.4.3 installed (from source code, of course) I cannot find |
| 07:12.12 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah i've seen that one alot |
| 07:12.20 | Triffid_Hunter | just symlink it to .6 |
| 07:12.24 | Triffid_Hunter | and it should work |
| 07:12.50 | Altair | I tryed this, not work |
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| 07:13.17 | Altair | I have .5 and a symlink from .5 to .6 returns problems with versions |
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| 07:14.17 | Altair | searching about this in google, is more confused |
| 07:14.40 | Altair | in the gcc web says libstdc is included in gcc |
| 07:15.01 | Altair | but in my installation of gcc 3.4.3 is missing |
| 07:15.05 | Altair | O.o |
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| 07:15.57 | resiak | !b-e Altair |
| 07:15.58 | dpkg | Altair: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 07:16.13 | resiak | Oh, wait, you have a hand-installed one. |
| 07:16.13 | dimir | Altair: do not symlink it |
| 07:16.20 | dimir | Altair: install libstdc++5 package |
| 07:16.40 | dimir | Altair: and next time use 'apt-file' tool |
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| 07:17.24 | Altair | dimir, in this computer i cannot use apt from nothing |
| 07:17.35 | Altair | only source code in this computer |
| 07:17.56 | dimir | oh, it's not Debian you got? |
| 07:18.36 | Altair | the computer is mine, but not only me uses this xD |
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| 07:19.04 | Altair | complicated reasons for write in english xD |
| 07:19.08 | dimir | then get and compile gcc-3.3, the lib shoul come from there |
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| 07:19.17 | Altair | not |
| 07:19.19 | dimir | Altair: lol I see |
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| 07:19.31 | Altair | I have installed gcc 3.4.3 and libstdc is missing |
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| 07:21.23 | dimir | Altair: I said 3.3 |
| 07:21.37 | Altair | dpkg: i have the correct versions of all of build-essentials, I have see this in debian web |
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| 07:21.50 | Altair | ¿? |
| 07:22.03 | Altair | only 3.3?, is not valid 3.4.3? |
| 07:22.31 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to use debootstrap on a remote machine and get the following error: "Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/domzero mount -t devfs devfs /dev" I created /dev under /mnt/domzero so that is not it. Any ideas? |
| 07:22.37 | Altair | oh my good :( |
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| 07:22.38 | Altair | xD |
| 07:22.39 | Usiu | HI |
| 07:22.40 | litage | when configuring X, a USB mouse is connected to /dev/input/mice ? |
| 07:22.42 | dimir | Altair: that lib comes from 3.3, not 3.4 |
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| 07:23.15 | Altair | okay, to download this... |
| 07:23.50 | dimir | Altair: you can 'apt-get source libstdc++5' |
| 07:24.08 | Usiu | How am I suppose to print pdf on Hp laserjet 1200 ?? The thing is, that the printer support PS2 and when I try to print it doesnt I guess because pdf2ps makes from the 300kb a 40mb file.. Any help ?? |
| 07:24.08 | dimir | if you really need to compile from sources |
| 07:24.23 | dimir | litage: if you have kernel 2.6 - yes |
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| 07:26.35 | Usiu | Hey KeRnel sends porn advertisment |
| 07:26.46 | litage | dimir: and for kernel 2.6? |
| 07:26.56 | Usiu | any ops ? |
| 07:27.02 | litage | dimir: sorry, i meant "and for kernel 2.4?" |
| 07:27.20 | Usiu | already left.. |
| 07:27.55 | itom | I've installed sarge in a external usb hd; if I use a pc without usb-hd boot option, do you know how to solve it? |
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| 07:28.27 | test | mm |
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| 07:28.49 | technos | mitom: You can bootstrap the usb volume from a kernel floppy or CD |
| 07:28.53 | dimir | litage: /dev/psaux |
| 07:28.59 | dimir | usually |
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| 07:30.19 | dabar | I deleted /tmp and my xserver does not start any more. Do I fix that? and how, please. |
| 07:30.21 | itom | technos, you mean that I make a fbloppy |
| 07:30.54 | litage | thanks dimir |
| 07:31.21 | sour | mkdir /tmp |
| 07:31.21 | itom | technos, sorry.. I make a bootfloppy and I can select the boot device? |
| 07:31.44 | floppyears | dabar: restart your loging manager |
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| 07:34.03 | technos | mitom: Yeah. |
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| 07:37.20 | bodq | are sarge DVD images bootable? |
| 07:38.20 | teufel | bodq: why wouldn't they be? |
| 07:38.22 | technos | bodq: Yeah. |
| 07:38.49 | bodq | what's needed to boot them? |
| 07:38.51 | dabaR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:39.05 | teufel | bodq: nothing special... a dvd-rom helps |
| 07:39.10 | technos | Breakfast of champions again.. Instant ramen, Red Bull and Lucky Strikes. |
| 07:39.23 | bodq | teufel: anything like recent BIOS? |
| 07:39.24 | teufel | bodq: and if you are burning them, a dvd+-r/rw |
| 07:39.48 | teufel | bodq: as far as I know it's all done on the oldest computer as long as you have dvd rom drive |
| 07:39.55 | teufel | technos: mmmm |
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| 07:40.03 | dabaR | Is it possible some permissions are not allowed to gdm? |
| 07:40.20 | bodq | teufel: good. :) |
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| 07:41.15 | technos | DVD's just look like a giant iso-9660 CD filesystem to the BIOS.. I've booted 486's from DVD. Can't think of anything funny you need at all. |
| 07:41.20 | cahoot | dabaR: chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 07:42.06 | dabaR | works :) |
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| 07:42.11 | Chris____ | heres one for yall |
| 07:42.25 | Chris-- | and i betcha havent seen this wierdness yet |
| 07:42.27 | dabaR | all set up like before, good stuff. |
| 07:42.59 | Chris-- | this morning i get up, grab my home workstation, and booted it up, but when i did a startx, x never started |
| 07:43.18 | Chris-- | in fact, the startx script wasnt even ON my hard drive anymore |
| 07:43.25 | Chris-- | and i still have no idea why |
| 07:43.43 | dabaR | something is fishy...why do you start your computer when you wake up? like, turn it off over night? |
| 07:44.04 | Chris-- | no |
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| 07:44.08 | dabaR | ok, jj. |
| 07:44.25 | Chris-- | i just accidentally pulled the power cord last night before bed so i figured fuckit and left it |
| 07:44.34 | technos | File system corruption from a series of bad shutdowns? Accidentalyl remove the wrong package? Alien hard drive control rays? |
| 07:44.39 | Chris-- | i generally leave this thing up for like 2 weeks at a time |
| 07:44.52 | Chris-- | technos: no clue man |
| 07:45.10 | Chris-- | tho i installed xcore-config or something like that and it fixed the problem |
| 07:45.11 | kadigibox | I still cannot figure out what is wrong with x. I end up I have to eather run startx as root or "startx /usr/bin/wmaker" in order to run as a user |
| 07:45.12 | technos | I think it's the aliens.. Time to break out the tinfoil and the saltpeter! |
| 07:45.40 | Chris-- | im sorry |
| 07:45.45 | Chris-- | it was xbase-clients |
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| 07:46.13 | Chris-- | kadigibox: that should be an easy fix |
| 07:46.34 | litage | AMD chips are considered 686? |
| 07:46.37 | kadigibox | and startx was working before I restarted the computer so its a shock why |
| 07:46.40 | Chris-- | in yer /home/user folder, create a file called .xinitrc and the only line in the file should be exec wmaker |
| 07:46.43 | Chris-- | thatll fix it |
| 07:47.21 | Chris-- | startx = pain in my ass |
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| 07:47.40 | kadigibox | noooo kidding Chris-- |
| 07:47.45 | Chris-- | i just installed the first gui email client ive used in a year |
| 07:48.26 | Chris-- | i havent TOUCHED email clients outside of using firefox since i stopped using windiws |
| 07:48.27 | Chris-- | windows |
| 07:48.31 | Chris-- | blech |
| 07:48.55 | Chris-- | kadigibox: ya made that file yet? |
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| 07:49.09 | Chris-- | oh and set the user as the owner of the file too |
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| 07:50.06 | kadigibox | yah I had to overwrite the current existing file |
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| 07:50.21 | liable | I love this laptop. If something breaks, I pull it out, put it back, and it works. :) |
| 07:50.27 | Chris-- | what did the existing file have in it? |
| 07:50.37 | kadigibox | absolutely nothing |
| 07:50.39 | Chris-- | hmm |
| 07:50.54 | Chris-- | well that line should pipe you into wmaker when you start X up |
| 07:51.08 | kadigibox | I think it was all the fonts I installed for X11 that messed up |
| 07:51.20 | kadigibox | cause thats what I get warnings about with some fonts missing |
| 07:51.46 | Chris-- | apt-cache search xfonts |
| 07:51.53 | Chris-- | that outta show ya some relevant packages |
| 07:52.07 | Chris-- | then just install all the packages that you think youll be able to use or that X might want |
| 07:52.17 | dbernar1 | what is a good menu editor for gnome? |
| 07:52.31 | dbernar1 | oh, it just works. |
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| 07:53.16 | kadigibox | well I installed everything that mentioned anything about fonts yesterday cause I go to websites that are in many different fonts |
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| 07:53.26 | kadigibox | anyway let me restart x |
| 07:53.30 | kadigibox | bbl |
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| 07:55.26 | kadigibox | ok it worked |
| 07:56.03 | kadigibox | but I still dont get why startx doesnt work as it use to |
| 07:56.05 | ircdevil | is it a freudian slip that whenever i type ping - it turns out as pint ? |
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| 07:56.44 | dbernar1 | how do you install ntp support? For the time and date in the gnome menu. |
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| 07:57.24 | SunDevil | heu |
| 07:57.34 | SunDevil | what does u+s do on a directory? |
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| 07:58.41 | Chris-- | it worked? awesome |
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| 07:59.07 | kadigibox | Chris--, any idea what could have made startx not start wmaker anymore? |
| 07:59.14 | technos | ircdevil: No. Now go have another beer so you won't worry about your typos so much. |
| 07:59.23 | Chris-- | dude i havent the slightest clue |
| 07:59.34 | Chris-- | the most wierdness i see in linux is with the X server |
| 07:59.39 | Chris-- | i dont totally understand why |
| 08:00.06 | Chris-- | if its not resolutions, its fonts. if its not fonts, its startx |
| 08:00.09 | Chris-- | GAWD |
| 08:00.24 | kadigibox | im wondering if I should try ywindows |
| 08:00.43 | Chris-- | well remember dude |
| 08:01.03 | Chris-- | X and your window manager (or gui environment, whichever you use) are 2 different things |
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| 08:01.32 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 08:01.37 | jeffrin | i get CVS error |
| 08:01.49 | Chris-- | i hate windows with a BURNING passion, so ive come to fall in love with the most stripped down window managers i see |
| 08:01.53 | kadigibox | yah and ywindows int a window manager its another program like x11 |
| 08:02.02 | Chris-- | window maker is badass, VERY tweakable |
| 08:02.05 | Chris-- | and i like that |
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| 08:02.21 | Chris-- | now ive been playing around with ratpoison |
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| 08:02.38 | Chris-- | ratpoison seems to be a compilation of all the cool shit you onlu with window maker would do |
| 08:02.47 | jeffrin | cvs commit: use `cvs add' to create an entry for `main.c' |
| 08:02.50 | jeffrin | cvs [commit aborted]: correct above errors first! |
| 08:02.51 | technos | Viva le twm! |
| 08:02.52 | Chris-- | onlu with = only wish |
| 08:02.55 | kadigibox | I like window maker to the fact its not bloated like gnome or kde. not that thoes are bad I just like a minimalistic GUI |
| 08:02.55 | colde89 | cold somebody recomment me a wireless network pcmcia-card for debian? |
| 08:03.20 | Chris-- | dude check out ratpoison |
| 08:03.25 | Chris-- | its my favorite EVER |
| 08:03.29 | Chris-- | you open yer gui |
| 08:03.32 | Chris-- | and you have nothing |
| 08:03.33 | Chris-- | literally |
| 08:03.42 | Chris-- | you have a black screen and a mouse pointer |
| 08:03.46 | Chris-- | thats it. |
| 08:04.01 | Chris-- | you bind all yer own keys, you do everything yerself |
| 08:04.06 | kadigibox | wmaker is what I am use to now. anything less I wouldnt like anything more I wouldnt like |
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| 08:04.24 | technos | Oh, so you mean exactly like twm? :) |
| 08:04.26 | Chris-- | you even have to go online and find yer own .ratpoisonrc file (the conf file) before you can really get anything done |
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| 08:04.45 | dimir | litage: no problemo ;-) |
| 08:04.48 | Chris-- | i havent seen tvm |
| 08:05.07 | dbernar1 | gnome and gnome-desktop-environment are just virtual packages, right? |
| 08:05.25 | Chris-- | windowmaker is a really good gui |
| 08:05.28 | Chris-- | i used it for a long time |
| 08:05.43 | Chris-- | dbernar1: not sure |
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| 08:05.56 | dbernar1 | bah:) |
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| 08:06.58 | cfgtberct | hello |
| 08:07.10 | technos | twm was window manager #2. It does nothing but draw window borders and provide a rudimentary root menu. |
| 08:07.16 | cfgtberct | how come people call programmers "I" or "it?" |
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| 08:07.38 | dbernar1 | knock knock who is it? |
| 08:08.00 | snail | cfgtberct: in what context? |
| 08:08.06 | cfgtberct | in general |
| 08:08.13 | Chris-- | all my important shit is done |
| 08:08.16 | cfgtberct | i hear people say that at work |
| 08:08.17 | Chris-- | all my shit is fixed |
| 08:08.25 | Chris-- | and i am happy |
| 08:08.27 | technos | cfgtberct: "it"? Simply because whomever wrote whichever bug-ridden piece of crap I am looking at could not possibly have been human. |
| 08:08.28 | Chris-- | later. |
| 08:09.08 | kadigibox | lol technos |
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| 08:09.43 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: so, that bug is a result of me forgetting to upload bazaar-doc |
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| 08:10.06 | cfgtberct | ok |
| 08:10.31 | cfgtberct | so when you say to a programmer "i" then that means "information" without the "technology" |
| 08:10.31 | Lepton | How does debian compare with redhat (a bit general but wanted to see what I could quickly gather) |
| 08:10.50 | dbernar1 | it doesnt suck... |
| 08:11.01 | dbernar1 | sorry but that begged for that answer... |
| 08:11.02 | cfgtberct | is that correct? |
| 08:11.20 | PerfDave | Lepton: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 08:11.32 | Lepton | got it |
| 08:11.51 | Lepton | thanks. |
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| 08:12.19 | liable | bob2: karsten was saying you had a good howto for fonts. got a link for it? |
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| 08:12.38 | bob2 | liable: egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_howto.txt |
| 08:12.41 | bob2 | for old fonts, tho |
| 08:12.49 | liable | bob2: thanks |
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| 08:13.37 | ahewitt | Hi all..I was wondering if anyone has an idea of how I could go about stripping the realm off every username that tries to auth in proftpd? I can't find a proftpd directive and I am using LDAP and can't see how to use a regex in the filter |
| 08:14.17 | liable | bob2: 404 |
| 08:14.47 | bob2 | ahewitt: that sounds like you have deeper brokeness |
| 08:15.00 | bob2 | does your system really not work when both rob@foo.com and rob@bar.com exist? |
| 08:15.00 | e_mpika | good morning |
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| 08:15.36 | bob2 | liable: font_guide.txt |
| 08:15.45 | liable | ahh |
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| 08:15.52 | cfgtberct | ok thanks |
| 08:15.57 | ahewitt | bob2: nope...its for an ISP environment and we need to have the realms completely seperate |
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| 08:16.16 | bob2 | realm != domain? |
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| 08:17.53 | ahewitt | bob2: basically the LDAP guys have just changed the tree design to which has screwed my web server farm design...we need to have blah@one.com and blah@two.com login, but not blah@three.com, etc |
| 08:18.19 | ahewitt | bob2: so I want to strip the realm off and append the realm that matches the virtual host they are logging into |
| 08:18.45 | bob2 | how do you have virtual hosts with ftp? |
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| 08:19.53 | ahewitt | bob2: proftpd supports virtual host configuration...although technically its only binding a config with an IP address |
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| 08:20.02 | bob2 | ah |
| 08:20.12 | smeevil | hello people |
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| 08:25.07 | smeevil | Could someone help me unraveling this misery I have with one of me production servers ? It comes down to this : the box is fully up to date, running 2.6.12.2 kernel, gcc 4.0.1. what happends is that me coreutils keep getting corrupt and thus segfaults (mainly ls, gzip, chown , ssh etc). I already did check the memory of the box which is fine. Every-time i replace the binaries again from coreutils package etc, it works for about 10 minutes and after that |
| 08:25.15 | roler | how do i install the GD graphics libraries into debian/apache? what package? |
| 08:25.48 | PerfDave | smeevil: You're running unstable on a production server? Foolish. |
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| 08:26.42 | roler | hmm |
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| 08:27.44 | PerfDave | smeevil: I'm presuming that you've checked the BTS? |
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| 08:28.35 | smeevil | I'm afraid that I'm not familiar what that term, what does it stand for ? |
| 08:28.48 | snail | smeevil:debian bts |
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| 08:29.00 | snail | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 08:29.09 | PerfDave | smeevil: /msg dpkg bts |
| 08:29.10 | smeevil | ah thank you :) (duh) |
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| 08:29.18 | Kven | Is xfs process supposed to take up ~100% cpu on bootup? |
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| 08:29.46 | snail | btw: that capital B _really_ bothers me... |
| 08:30.08 | drac | Kven: X Font Server? You propably won't even need it. |
| 08:30.37 | smeevil | I'll try searching for it, though really not sure for what terms to search, for now will try binary corruption. |
| 08:30.38 | PerfDave | snail: File a bug against the website metapackage ;) |
| 08:31.04 | Kven | drac; It's only for messing with fonts over networks? |
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| 08:31.17 | PerfDave | smeevil: Just browse through all bugs filed against that package in unstable. If it isn't there, file one. Or don't run unstable on production servers, especially not wiright now. |
| 08:31.26 | cougar` | Hello everyne |
| 08:31.32 | cougar` | Man : It's 4:30 AM |
| 08:31.34 | roler | anyone know what package to install to get GD support in apache? |
| 08:32.11 | technos | cougar`: East coast sucker. :P You got my hopes up for a fraction of a second! |
| 08:32.15 | cougar` | And I'm still messing with my server... Anyone want to help me fix my ntp-server. It's not a complicated set up. I want all my computers (3) on my LAN to synch with my linux box via ntp... but ya know what, it's not working:( |
| 08:32.24 | cougar` | haha |
| 08:32.30 | cougar` | Technos : Why is that bro? |
| 08:32.34 | drac | Kven: localhost can connect to it too, but it's not necessary.. you get fonts anyway, via FontPaths in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (and you can comment XFS line from it too) |
| 08:33.00 | cougar` | My clients won't talk to my NTP-Server ... I'm gettin' peod |
| 08:33.05 | e_mpika | hey, anyone compiled PHP? anyway to not include that win32 dir? |
| 08:33.10 | technos | cougar`: I work a 9p-5a today! If it were really 4:30, I'd be within sight of going the hell home. :) |
| 08:33.18 | Guerin | e_mpika: don't compile php |
| 08:33.22 | smeevil | PerfDave: "especially not wiright now" ,Might i conclude that there are major shifts going on at the moment then ? The thing is that stable was running so far behind , that at one point i switched to unstable and always had perfect results with it :) |
| 08:33.23 | e_mpika | i need to |
| 08:33.26 | cougar` | technos : rgr |
| 08:33.27 | technos | But nooooooo. It's only 1:30! |
| 08:33.32 | Guerin | e_mpika: no, you don't |
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| 08:33.36 | e_mpika | no, i do |
| 08:33.37 | cougar` | Technos : wow |
| 08:33.43 | cougar` | PST :P |
| 08:33.46 | Guerin | really |
| 08:33.49 | Guerin | why? |
| 08:33.53 | cougar` | Who wants to help me with my ntp woes? |
| 08:34.09 | e_mpika | there are some options i need built in that arnt in the default deb package |
| 08:34.11 | Guerin | cougar`: nothing complicated about ntpdate |
| 08:34.14 | Guerin | e_mpika: like what? |
| 08:34.25 | Guerin | e_mpika: and which default deb package? |
| 08:34.29 | e_mpika | --enable-force-cgi-redirect --with-mysql |
| 08:34.31 | cougar` | Guerin : I can't get it to work :( |
| 08:34.38 | saboteur | it has mysql support |
| 08:34.43 | saboteur | just get php4-mysql |
| 08:34.45 | saboteur | or whatever it is |
| 08:34.51 | Guerin | saboteur is right |
| 08:34.55 | e_mpika | the testing package |
| 08:35.08 | e_mpika | i still need --enable-force-cgi-redirect |
| 08:35.10 | Guerin | e_mpika: learn to use the search tools before you go building stuff you don't know how to build |
| 08:35.22 | PerfDave | smeevil: Yes. The gcc ABI change for starters. But really, you shouldn't run unstable on a production system, because you have *no* protection from a package trashing all your data at random. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. |
| 08:35.29 | cougar` | Guerin : firehol has server ntp accept on the LAN interface... and well, the lan clients either say, the peer stratum is less than the host stratum, which should be impossible, or no suitable servers for syncronization found |
| 08:35.29 | e_mpika | ive built it before, its throwind a weird error at me |
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| 08:35.50 | Guerin | e_mpika: that may be built in to one or more additional packages; search changelogs. in any case, you're better starting with a debian source and editing a makefile |
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| 08:36.00 | saboteur | if you feel you really need to build it, grab the package with apt-get source, then hack at that |
| 08:36.06 | Guerin | e_mpika: on debian you REALLY don't want to be building shit manually without making debian packqages |
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| 08:36.16 | e_mpika | i am making a deb package |
| 08:36.18 | smeevil | PerfDave: okies, well I guess I have been lucky throughout the years then :D Thank you for the warning though. |
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| 08:36.26 | cougar` | Does anyone care to check out my ntp.conf? |
| 08:36.26 | hellz | what about the implementation of wbem in debian linux |
| 08:36.38 | Guerin | e_mpika: the debian source has a win32 dir? really? |
| 08:36.40 | Kven | Ah... Now xfree86 is taking the very same instead of xfs -.- |
| 08:36.43 | e_mpika | yes |
| 08:36.58 | smeevil | PerfDave: Though , you think that the binary corruption is caused by a software problem rather then a hardware one ? |
| 08:36.59 | e_mpika | it fails trying to patch win32/sendmail.c |
| 08:37.04 | SunDevil | what does u+s do on a directory? |
| 08:37.43 | e_mpika | im just wondering if there is a way to stop it? i can find any refernece in the rules file etc |
| 08:37.46 | PerfDave | smeevil: I don't know. I know that there's a lot of weird shit happening in unstable, but I don't have any unstable systems of my own. If you were running stable, you could be 99.9% certain that your problem was hardware-related ;) |
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| 08:38.26 | smeevil | PerfDave: hehe :) okies, onwards with me searches then, thank you for your time ! |
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| 08:40.25 | Guerin | e_mpika: what source package, and what branch are you building it on, and with what compiler? |
| 08:41.53 | dak | .m |
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| 08:42.29 | e_mpika | um, testing, php4 and gcc3 i think |
| 08:42.43 | cougar` | Channel : Can anyone check my ntp configuration file, PLEASE |
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| 08:44.19 | e_mpika | odd, its patching from a patch file acctually in debain/patches |
| 08:46.05 | ma3x | hello, where is postfix documentation located? |
| 08:46.40 | liable | ma3x: /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 08:47.11 | ma3x | liable : there is only changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright README.Debian |
| 08:47.27 | ma3x | README.Debian contains very short text |
| 08:47.32 | liable | ma3x: is there an installable package for docs? |
| 08:47.45 | e_mpika | ma3x: apt-get install postfix-doc |
| 08:47.47 | ma3x | let me check |
| 08:47.59 | e_mpika | ;) |
| 08:48.19 | ma3x | there is |
| 08:48.23 | ma3x | thanks liable! |
| 08:48.52 | liable | np |
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| 08:49.52 | cougar` | Okay |
| 08:49.57 | cougar` | No one can help me? |
| 08:50.27 | technos | cougar`: Sorry, don't know a damned thing about ntp server configuration. :/ |
| 08:50.31 | drac | !noone |
| 08:50.38 | PerfDave | cougar`: /msg dpkg further help |
| 08:51.31 | ma3x | is there way to read readme.gz without extracting? |
| 08:51.53 | liable | zless |
| 08:51.59 | liable | zcat |
| 08:52.27 | drac | zgrep! |
| 08:52.31 | Guerin | cougar`: are you trying to set up a ntp server or client? |
| 08:52.37 | ma3x | thanks again liable! |
| 08:52.40 | cougar` | nto server |
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| 08:52.56 | MrScotty | ma3x, man lesspipe |
| 08:52.57 | Guerin | cougar`: don't bother. use pool.ntp.org |
| 08:53.00 | cougar` | Ntp-server to sync with a *REAL* ntp server.... then have my computers use my server box as a time server |
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| 08:53.28 | Guerin | cougar`: don't bother. use pool.ntp.org |
| 08:53.30 | PerfDave | Guerin: Now now, it's rude to do that when you can set up your own third-tier :) |
| 08:53.37 | cougar` | Guerin : I don't understand. What do u mean? |
| 08:53.46 | Kven | Ah well... I give up... This problem is beyond my level of grokking linux... Time to reinstall -.- |
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| 08:54.06 | Guerin | cougar`: install ntpdate on your boxen, point them all to pool.ntp.org and run it on cron once per day |
| 08:54.13 | Guerin | cougar`: then go and have a fucking beer |
| 08:54.22 | Cordovan | have anyone experince with adtool? i like to extract all email addresses from an ad. other tools or hint's are also very wellcome. thx |
| 08:54.43 | cougar` | Guerin : The set up I'm tyring to do can't be done? |
| 08:55.01 | Guerin | cougar`: dunno, but why bother? |
| 08:55.33 | cougar` | learnng experience I guess |
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| 08:55.57 | Guerin | cougar`: so go and learn, don't ask us to do your learning for you. |
| 08:56.13 | technos | Guerin kind of has a point.. Unless you have hundreds of machines on the local network generating ntp traffic, there's little point to not using one of the more accurate and available external servers. |
| 08:56.19 | cahoot | cougar`: chrony is easy to setup for what you want |
| 08:56.32 | Guerin | ntp traffic is in the order of hundreds of bytes per host per day |
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| 08:56.42 | Guerin | you're not going to break anyone's network |
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| 08:58.47 | cougar` | Guein : I wasn't askin' you to do my learning for me - I was askin' for help. {erhaps, check out the configuration file, etc. I don't want to do it that way. I want to Have my Linux box sync with the more ACCURATE external servers, then have the systems on my network, synch with the Linux box. |
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| 09:05.28 | kyu | Just for the record, i am officially backing austrailia in the ashes, for the main reason that england would never shut the fuck up about it if they win/. |
| 09:05.35 | kyu | Oh, and i'm scottish, whatddya expect? ;) |
| 09:06.05 | petemc | fascinating |
| 09:06.24 | kyu | Not really... |
| 09:06.29 | Teufel | I have a wireless router that my linux server is plugged into via ethernet. It has worked great but all of a sudden it just randomly stops servering wireless to the rest of the house but keeps the ethernet going. Is there something that the linux box could be doing to cause this? |
| 09:06.48 | petemc | Teufel: doubtful |
| 09:07.04 | e_mpika | indeed |
| 09:07.18 | Teufel | petemc: It started doing it a lot when I installed a new gotmail crontab but it started up again |
| 09:07.38 | Teufel | could it be anything with mysql or apache? like if someone has a database open, would it refuse wireless or something? |
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| 09:08.13 | petemc | Teufel: i really dont see how it could, maybe its the hot tap in the upstairs bathroom? |
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| 09:08.38 | s-toned | searching on google: "search-item site:www.site.com" only delivers results google has already seen |
| 09:08.49 | technos | Unless you're opening hundreds or thousands of connections a second acrouss the router, I doubt there is anything you could possibly do to it to make it drop the wireless connection. |
| 09:09.12 | s-toned | Can I make such crawling on a single site with a linux tool? |
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| 09:09.29 | Teufel | I just don't get it... it never used to do it until I installed that crontab |
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| 09:09.53 | Teufel | but I got rid of it... and still... <sigh> all I have to do is unplug the router and plug back in for it to start working again though |
| 09:10.19 | ma3x | how to make mozilla my default browser? |
| 09:10.25 | ma3x | firefox i mean |
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| 09:11.05 | Teufel | ma3x: tools ---> settings ---> default browser |
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| 09:12.34 | ma3x | Teufel : there is no tool settings |
| 09:12.39 | ma3x | only edit->preferences |
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| 09:12.47 | ma3x | but default browser option does not exist |
| 09:13.06 | liable | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 09:14.23 | NoRC | ok this isnt specificly debian related... but this channel has smart people, i have a Intel P4 3.0E processor, but i cant find out what Chipset Family it belongs to, does anyone know>? |
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| 09:15.53 | liable | NoRC: your motherboard chipset? look in kern.log if you have linux installed already. |
| 09:15.58 | s-toned | something like a local search engine for the www |
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| 09:17.04 | ma3x | liable thanks once again! |
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| 09:17.25 | fatal__ | NoRC: if you mean processor family, then it would be much easier to know if you knew how much L2 Cache it has... Frequencies overlap between the families. |
| 09:17.30 | Henke | does it exist any debian-newbie channel? |
| 09:17.47 | NoRC | 1mb L2 Cache |
| 09:17.52 | SunDevil | what does u+s do on a directory? |
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| 09:18.14 | thoron | Henke, I think you can ask your question here, if you get arrogant reply, just ignore it. |
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| 09:19.26 | fatal__ | NoRC: probably a "prescott" then... |
| 09:19.28 | ColonelKernel | well iver been using ubuntu, which is a fantastic distro but I am unable to force 100hz refresh rate at 1024x768 |
| 09:19.46 | ColonelKernel | Im not hot on the dependance on hotplug |
| 09:19.47 | brosio | the password that are stored in /etc/shadow are in 3des ? |
| 09:19.56 | ColonelKernel | I figured I'd give deb testing a shot |
| 09:20.19 | fatal__ | brosio: I'd say md5, but I think it's configurable.... |
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| 09:20.55 | brosio | how could i see which i'm using ? |
| 09:20.56 | NoRC | so the chipset is prescott? |
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| 09:21.02 | Henke | when I tried to install mythtv with apt-get it also installed a lot of dependencies, but now I can't get it to work and want to start all over again and remove the mythtv but also the dependencies it installed. Is possible? |
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| 09:21.07 | NoRC | so its not like a "Intel® 850 Chipset Family" ? |
| 09:21.08 | ColonelKernel | prescott is a cpu type |
| 09:21.16 | ma3x | if i want to install more packages with one command |
| 09:21.18 | ColonelKernel | intel 850 is a chipset |
| 09:21.18 | fatal__ | brosio: look at the hash and recognize it.. ;) |
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| 09:21.24 | ma3x | how i have to type the format |
| 09:21.28 | brosio | fatal__, ehhh :D |
| 09:21.29 | liable | SunDevil: you have asked that question over a fairly long period of time. If you had simply googled it, you would have had an answer hours ago. here.. http://www.zzee.com/solutions/chmod-help.shtml |
| 09:21.33 | ma3x | apt-get install pack1,pack2,pack3 ... or how? |
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| 09:21.37 | brosio | fatal__, how could i do it ? |
| 09:21.45 | ColonelKernel | isnt prescott the post socket 478 poentium 4 CPU? |
| 09:21.58 | fatal__ | brosio: I have no clue... I just knew atleast in woody install you where given a choice of using md5 or not.... |
| 09:21.59 | ColonelKernel | or is the prescott a socket 478 CPU? |
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| 09:22.14 | brosio | ok thx |
| 09:22.18 | liable | ma3x: just a space between each package. man apt-get |
| 09:22.29 | ma3x | thanks, i owe you :) |
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| 09:23.22 | NoRC | What is the chipset then? |
| 09:23.30 | NoRC | Motherboard related or specific to the CPU? |
| 09:23.36 | concept10 | How do I point my website address to another directory on my system? |
| 09:23.54 | liable | NoRC: motherboard |
| 09:23.55 | tarzeau | concept10: which web server is it? |
| 09:24.00 | Overand | concept10: perscott exists on the socket 478 platform too |
| 09:24.02 | Overand | er |
| 09:24.06 | Overand | ColonelKernel: ... what i just said |
| 09:24.07 | Overand | heh |
| 09:24.09 | tarzeau | concept10: and which addresses, file paths? |
| 09:24.15 | dondek | i think i met a bug in usb-storage module. i'm using debian sid, 2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel. |
| 09:24.16 | concept10 | tarzeau, apache |
| 09:24.28 | NoRC | so basicly having an ASROCK motherboard has nothing to do with intel chipset updates? |
| 09:24.41 | tarzeau | dondek: want to try a 2.4.31 kernel? |
| 09:24.42 | ColonelKernel | Overand, Ive got two northwood systems, theyre really nice |
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| 09:24.56 | concept10 | tarzeau, http://ntarieo.ath.cx/ |
| 09:25.03 | tarzeau | dondek: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 09:25.06 | dondek | tarzeau: well, i really want to use 2.6.10 or higher. |
| 09:25.12 | tarzeau | dondek: i see |
| 09:25.21 | concept10 | tarzeau, I want it to point to http://ntarieo.ath.cx/apache2-default/public_html/mambo/ |
| 09:25.23 | Overand | concept10: shorter pipeline than the prescott i think |
| 09:25.30 | Overand | ugh sorry concept10 |
| 09:25.34 | Overand | my tab complete really likes you |
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| 09:25.46 | liable | tarzeau: what have you done to them kernels? Have you had any takers yet? |
| 09:25.46 | Overand | ColonelKernel: what i said to concept10, *again* |
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| 09:26.03 | tarzeau | dondek: and debian doesn't have them yet packaged... |
| 09:26.14 | tarzeau | liable: i use them. work nicely for me |
| 09:26.20 | tarzeau | liable: just built them debian way |
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| 09:26.26 | ColonelKernel | Overand, yeah less L2 cache I think, slower cpu speed, but it stays SO cool, you can work the thing @ 100% pretty much indefinitely |
| 09:26.29 | concept10 | tarzeau, do you understand what im talking about? |
| 09:26.37 | dondek | tarzeau: but i saw the kernel in dselect. |
| 09:26.39 | tarzeau | concept10: yes but i don't know |
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| 09:26.45 | tarzeau | dondek: really? 2.6.10? |
| 09:26.50 | deadcat | i want my From: to show deadcat@NOREPLY.domain.com when i send someone an email. what do i do using postfix?? |
| 09:26.50 | dondek | tarzeau: yeah. |
| 09:26.52 | tarzeau | dondek: ah true. why don't you just install it? |
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| 09:27.11 | tarzeau | deadcat: why not configure this in the mail client? |
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| 09:27.42 | dondek | tarzeau: my computer can't display anything after install 2.6.10 kernel, and before that, i met kernel panic |
| 09:27.51 | deadcat | tarzeau: because that would be only client. i want server because my server dont accept emails. only send. and i dont know what client people are using |
| 09:27.57 | tarzeau | dondek: want to try a 2.6.12.2 kernel image ? |
| 09:27.57 | cougar` | This isrediculous |
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| 09:28.03 | tarzeau | dondek: what graphics card is that? |
| 09:28.09 | dondek | tarzeau: well, i didn't try it. |
| 09:28.21 | dondek | tarzeau: intel 865 chipset. |
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| 09:29.51 | tarzeau | dondek: if you want to try: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.6/ |
| 09:30.02 | dondek | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 09:30.12 | tarzeau | dondek: i'd be glad if you can tell me if it worked or not |
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| 09:30.23 | ColonelKernel | whats the new name of testing? |
| 09:30.25 | dondek | tarzeau: ok. |
| 09:30.28 | ColonelKernel | etch |
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| 09:30.37 | ColonelKernel | Im off to install etch! wish me luck, bbiab |
| 09:30.44 | dondek | tarzeau: have you evet met a bug in usg-storage module? |
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| 09:30.58 | tarzeau | dondek: like what? data loss? what filesystem? |
| 09:31.02 | tarzeau | dondek: what storage devices? |
| 09:31.16 | dondek | tarzeau: after changing storage, the storage size information is not changed. |
| 09:31.29 | tarzeau | dondek: what's "storage size information"? |
| 09:31.36 | dondek | tarzeau: disk size |
| 09:31.52 | tarzeau | dondek: is that an usb stick? a hard disk or what? |
| 09:32.03 | tarzeau | dondek: the disk size is constant |
| 09:32.10 | dondek | tarzeau: i used IDE to usb. of course HDD. |
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| 09:32.35 | dondek | tarzeau: i have three disk, 8G, 4G, 256M |
| 09:32.46 | tarzeau | dondek: ext2? fat32? |
| 09:32.57 | dondek | tarzeau: i think that's no matter. |
| 09:33.47 | liable | dondek: you are unmounting and remounting the new one yeah? |
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| 09:33.56 | dondek | liable: yeah. of course. |
| 09:34.06 | ColonelKernel | the latest testing netinstall cd is borked - it cant find the /install/2.6 dir |
| 09:34.17 | dondek | first i plugged 8G hdd with ide to usb cable. |
| 09:34.22 | ColonelKernel | the daily build netinstall testing cd |
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| 09:34.35 | liable | ColonelKernel: file a bug. |
| 09:34.37 | concept10 | Anyone know about Apache redirect? |
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| 09:34.47 | ColonelKernel | liable, plz tel me where? |
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| 09:34.57 | dondek | after changing to 4G hdd, fdisk -l /dev/sda prints 8G... |
| 09:35.25 | liable | ColonelKernel: dunno, they must have some sort of bug tracking system, read the web page or #debian-boot |
| 09:35.49 | dondek | after excute 'rmmod usb-storage; modprobe usb-storage', fdisk prints currect information. 4G |
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| 09:39.48 | liable | dondek: I dont think thats a bug. But ask on a kernel mailing list if you do. |
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| 09:40.16 | concept10 | are phpmyadmin and webmin secure apps |
| 09:40.20 | dondek | liable: yeah. thank you/ |
| 09:40.24 | fhffhqvb | !webmin |
| 09:40.25 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 09:40.51 | fhffhqvb | concept10: also, if your question is not about debian, don't ask in here. |
| 09:41.10 | concept10 | fhffhqvb, is webmin secure? |
| 09:41.12 | ma3x | this is stupid, when i open konqueror to browse for some files, xmms stops playing |
| 09:41.16 | Guerin | concept10: no |
| 09:41.17 | fhffhqvb | concept10: don't be stupid |
| 09:41.28 | Guerin | concept10: nothing that gives out root over http is secure |
| 09:41.34 | shuveb | when i export some variable in a script they are no longer valid after the script is done? i cant see them using "echo" or "set"! |
| 09:41.45 | Guerin | nor is anything that allows you to delete users at the click of a mouse |
| 09:41.46 | Guerin | etc. |
| 09:41.55 | concept10 | fhffhqvb, how about this it runs on debian its a valid question |
| 09:42.30 | technos | Running exposed webmin is like running Windows 95 on broadband. |
| 09:42.30 | fhffhqvb | -!- concept10 [~concept10@c-67-166-167-125.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] -!- channels : #apache #mambo #ubuntu #debian #fedora |
| 09:42.33 | fhffhqvb | don't lie. |
| 09:43.04 | concept10 | fhffhqvb, I use freebsd also |
| 09:43.12 | concept10 | fhffhqvb, whats the point |
| 09:43.12 | PerfDave | Is concept10 still trying to get support for his non-Debian problems? :) |
| 09:43.17 | PerfDave | concept10: #webmin |
| 09:43.45 | concept10 | Attitudes in this channel suck |
| 09:44.00 | fhffhqvb | ok, i've been relatively nice. now go away, fucktard. |
| 09:44.01 | Guerin | concept10: oh, give over. |
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| 09:44.25 | concept10 | heh |
| 09:44.58 | PerfDave | concept10: No, we just don't feel like supporting users of other distros and operating systems just because their support systems are crap. If you don't like it, /part |
| 09:45.21 | concept10 | PerfDave, you dont know what im working on |
| 09:45.35 | concept10 | It was just a common question |
| 09:45.45 | ColonelKernel | concept10, yes - this channel is VERY abusive - you sort of have to learn to ignore it to get useful help out of it |
| 09:45.53 | PerfDave | If it's "just a common question" then go ask #webmin, not #debian |
| 09:46.09 | Guerin | ColonelKernel: we're only abusive to people who blatantly disregard the topic and guidelines |
| 09:46.18 | liable | ColonelKernel: shut the fuck up :P |
| 09:46.18 | Guerin | for instance |
| 09:46.21 | concept10 | PerfDave, why dont you #askthisnine |
| 09:46.22 | Guerin | !order |
| 09:46.22 | dpkg | order is, like, if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 09:46.24 | ColonelKernel | concept10, I highly reccomend getting to know your /ignore function |
| 09:46.34 | sour | Guerin you look like a gerbil |
| 09:46.41 | Guerin | concept10's question is covered under #s 6 and 7 above |
| 09:46.47 | ColonelKernel | Guerin, this channel is notorious on freenode for its outright abusiveness, regardless of the circumstances. |
| 09:46.55 | Guerin | sour: how would you know what a gerbil looks like |
| 09:47.01 | Guerin | ColonelKernel: that don't make it so |
| 09:47.01 | liable | ColonelKernel: well dont come here then. |
| 09:47.07 | ColonelKernel | Guerin, lol. |
| 09:47.10 | fhffhqvb | ColonelKernel: you're welcome to fuck off |
| 09:47.16 | ColonelKernel | Yawn. |
| 09:47.20 | ColonelKernel | get therapy. |
| 09:47.33 | fhffhqvb | !troll ColonelKernel |
| 09:47.35 | concept10 | I Oh well.... |
| 09:47.36 | Guerin | get grip |
| 09:47.44 | ColonelKernel | again, yawn. |
| 09:47.49 | PerfDave | ColonelKernel: Funny that. #debian is one of the friendliest and most helpful channels I've ever seen :) |
| 09:47.49 | concept10 | I know |
| 09:48.04 | ColonelKernel | PerfDave, right... :) |
| 09:48.04 | sour | Guerin because the last nazi-like person like yourself admitted it :P forgive me for generalization |
| 09:48.10 | Ronin | i swear when i went to bed last night it was like this in #debian |
| 09:48.11 | fhffhqvb | !godwin |
| 09:48.11 | dpkg | Adolph Hitler or Nazis have been mentioned, the plonkings may commence now. To plonk, /ignore foo all |
| 09:48.25 | concept10 | PerfDave, fhffhqvb I come to debian just about everyday but some of you folks need to COOL OUT |
| 09:48.27 | ColonelKernel | lets drop the nazi remarks eh? no ones loading anyone onto trains here |
| 09:48.38 | concept10 | heh |
| 09:48.40 | PerfDave | ColonelKernel: Seriously :) |
| 09:48.59 | PerfDave | concept10: And you need to fuck off and hassle other people with your non-Debian questions :) |
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| 09:49.02 | Guerin | sour: in what way specifically am I nazi-like? |
| 09:49.16 | concept10 | PerfDave, zzzzzz |
| 09:49.28 | PerfDave | Guerin: It's the nice leather shirts you keep wearing ;) |
| 09:49.39 | Ronin | the leather shorts? |
| 09:49.39 | concept10 | PerfDave, only if you knew |
| 09:49.40 | sour | ppl who want to be controlling :) |
| 09:49.47 | fhffhqvb | !ppl |
| 09:49.47 | ColonelKernel | brb |
| 09:49.47 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 09:49.49 | Guerin | PerfDave: how did you get those photos!? |
| 09:49.51 | liable | eww, thats amental image I didnt need :P |
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| 09:50.11 | PerfDave | concept10: I'm serious. You're just cluttering up the channel, and stopping people who really need Debian help from getting it. |
| 09:50.15 | fhffhqvb | btw, nazi's didn't wear lederhosen. they wore khaki's. |
| 09:50.15 | sour | that kinda just proves my point regarding nazi-like |
| 09:50.18 | Guerin | sour: don't take it in vain, it's offensive to those of us who actually studied the history of 20th century europe |
| 09:50.33 | concept10 | PerfDave, I havent seen a question in five minutes. STFU please |
| 09:50.37 | liable | arent lederhosen, stockings? |
| 09:50.44 | ColonelKernel | or those of us whos grandparents survived the holocaust |
| 09:50.45 | sour | hey, i am polish, i know :) |
| 09:50.46 | PerfDave | concept10: No, because you've been too busy whining. |
| 09:50.49 | fhffhqvb | liable: leder = leather, hosen = pants. |
| 09:50.54 | liable | ok. |
| 09:50.58 | concept10 | PerfDave, Thanks! |
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| 09:51.19 | sour | Guerin thanks for the assumption tho. |
| 09:51.25 | Guerin | sour: then even more shame on you. |
| 09:51.32 | ma3x | how can i unpack rar files? |
| 09:51.36 | Guerin | ma3x: unrar |
| 09:51.38 | sour | ma3x unrar |
| 09:51.38 | fhffhqvb | Guerin: polish was the bad place. |
| 09:51.39 | Ronin | ma3x: with unrar |
| 09:51.45 | Guerin | fhffhqvb: eh? |
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| 09:51.50 | sour | shame because i am polish? nice |
| 09:51.55 | ma3x | i dont have it installed |
| 09:52.01 | ma3x | and it's not in apt |
| 09:52.02 | sour | apt-get install unrar |
| 09:52.02 | PerfDave | ma3x: unrar. Probably unrar-nonfree if they've been packed with a recent Windows rar. Just don't use rar, it's a heap of shit ;) |
| 09:52.02 | fhffhqvb | Guerin: poland, that is. |
| 09:52.05 | Guerin | sour: no, shame on you for joking about the nazis, being as you are from poland |
| 09:52.13 | sour | i said, nazi-like |
| 09:52.15 | sour | as a term |
| 09:52.18 | sour | definition |
| 09:52.25 | Guerin | fhffhqvb: i'm quite familiar with the recent history of europe, thank |
| 09:52.36 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:52.42 | Guerin | time to stfu, trollies |
| 09:52.59 | Ronin | +q time, cut down on the signal to noise ratio |
| 09:53.10 | PerfDave | ARGH, sourceforge.net's mailing lists are fucking stupid! How come spammers can post to them and I can't? |
| 09:53.13 | ma3x | whats the package name called? |
| 09:53.17 | Guerin | Ronin: itym noise to signal ratio |
| 09:53.17 | sour | haha, yeh, i am cool, i can run irc modes woah :) |
| 09:53.18 | ma3x | unrar? |
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| 09:53.22 | ma3x | or thats just the cmd |
| 09:53.23 | Guerin | ma3x: apt-cache search unrar |
| 09:53.32 | ma3x | Guerin it doesnt find anything! |
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| 09:53.41 | fhffhqvb | PerfDave: just register a sourceforge account and post your Penix mails. |
| 09:53.41 | rAz__ | unrar is unfree |
| 09:53.42 | Guerin | ma3x: you might need non-free |
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| 09:53.44 | Ronin | Guerin: true but considering i just got up im impressed i was that close |
| 09:53.47 | sour | gee, one day i hope i am as cool as other people, and maybe then i can become a powertripping freak |
| 09:53.48 | rAz__ | Guerin, :) |
| 09:53.54 | rAz__ | hi all |
| 09:53.55 | PerfDave | There's a free unrar too |
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| 09:54.10 | Guerin | sour: you're well on the way to being a Class A Fucktard |
| 09:54.13 | ma3x | Guerin: what's the exact line to add in sources.list? |
| 09:54.24 | Guerin | ma3x: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 09:54.31 | sour | Guerin don't be angry at me if you just got offended by that statement. |
| 09:54.39 | bojangles | sour: first you have to be filthy rich to afford a decent supercomputer |
| 09:54.40 | ma3x | k, thanks! |
| 09:54.40 | Guerin | ma3x: make sure you read the license of any software you install from non-free |
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| 09:55.00 | ma3x | Guerin : what if i don't read it, will i go to jail? |
| 09:55.07 | PerfDave | ma3x: You may do. |
| 09:55.20 | Guerin | can someone please point out to me in what ways I'm a) nazi-like or b) a powertripping control freak |
| 09:55.26 | ma3x | uoops |
| 09:55.37 | ma3x | ok, but i mean should i register the software |
| 09:55.37 | Guerin | failing that, i'll accept sour's /quit |
| 09:55.39 | sml | Guerin: Godwins Law invoked ;) |
| 09:55.39 | sour | Guerin i don't think they care enough about you to even bother :) |
| 09:55.45 | ma3x | or may i use it for free under some circumstances?/ |
| 09:55.45 | PerfDave | ma3x: Read the license. |
| 09:55.48 | ma3x | okay |
| 09:55.49 | fhffhqvb | Guerin: bunneh might cause the power to trip with the cables and all |
| 09:55.58 | Guerin | fhffhqvb: that IS true |
| 09:56.06 | ma3x | PerfDave : who told you that? |
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| 09:56.21 | ma3x | a) n b) |
| 09:56.22 | PerfDave | ma3x: Who told me what? |
| 09:57.15 | beezly | sml: sour beat Guerin there ages ago |
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| 09:57.18 | concept10 | What do you guys recommend general ways to secure a server? |
| 09:57.21 | Alver | My last sid update removed gaim, and I can't seem to install it again - it complains about broken packages. Is this a known issue or can it be fixed? |
| 09:57.39 | beezly | concept10: make sure your packages are up-to-date |
| 09:57.41 | sml | beezly: ahh.. well I've only just had the pleasure of joining.. I missed it. |
| 09:57.48 | ma3x | ah that said Guerin |
| 09:57.53 | ma3x | sorry PerfDave wasnt you |
| 09:58.00 | PerfDave | concept10: Run stable, read the Debian security manual. |
| 09:58.12 | PerfDave | Alver: Have you checked the BTS to see if it's a known issue? |
| 09:58.12 | nkuttler | Alver: /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:58.12 | sml | concept10: Add the security repository (stable, oldstable) to your sources.list |
| 09:58.16 | Guerin | Alver: libaspell and associated packages are still broken. Deal. |
| 09:58.40 | ma3x | PerfDave : how do i read the license, after or before the installation? |
| 09:58.50 | Guerin | concept10: apt-get install hardenn-doc and read |
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| 09:58.51 | Ronin | ma3x: before would be a good thing |
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| 09:58.54 | Guerin | s/nn/n/ |
| 09:58.59 | sml | PerfDave: sid gets fixed as fast (in most cases) as stable, but I guess it's not worth mentioning in case people decide to use it ;) |
| 09:59.00 | PerfDave | ma3x: *shrug* I don't know, I've not used this unrar package. You should read it before installing. |
| 09:59.04 | Alver | Thanks. I had a vague idea it'd be something like that, but confirmation is always good :) |
| 09:59.18 | ma3x | PerfDave : where is the license file? |
| 09:59.25 | ma3x | how do i read it even? |
| 09:59.25 | PerfDave | sml: sid doesn't get security updates, and doesn't get the full attention of the Debian Security Team. |
| 09:59.31 | Guerin | ma3x: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 09:59.33 | PerfDave | ma3x: HOW THE FUCK SHOULD I KNOW? |
| 09:59.44 | PerfDave | ma3x: Google |
| 09:59.49 | sml | PerfDave: Yes I know it doesnt have its own security STRUCTURE, but it *does* get security fixes applied to its packages. |
| 09:59.56 | PerfDave | sml: No it doesn't. |
| 10:00.02 | Guerin | sml: no, it gets new versions |
| 10:00.11 | Guerin | there's a pretty substantial difference |
| 10:00.11 | sml | PerfDave: Ok let me point you to the latest debian security alert |
| 10:00.13 | sml | hang on. |
| 10:00.26 | PerfDave | sml: There's no need, I read d-s-a :) |
| 10:00.36 | sml | [SECURITY] [DSA 764-1] New cacti packages fix several vulnerabilities |
| 10:00.49 | sml | For the unstable distribution (sid) these problems have been fixed in |
| 10:00.55 | Guerin | sml: NO SHIT - new upstream version release = new debina version packaged |
| 10:00.57 | PerfDave | sml: That's nice for you. |
| 10:00.58 | sml | version 0.8.6e-1. |
| 10:01.00 | sml | :) |
| 10:01.01 | Guerin | you damn fool |
| 10:01.06 | PerfDave | !tell sml -about paster |
| 10:01.08 | sml | so i guess sid doesn't get security fixes. |
| 10:01.35 | Guerin | no, it gets NEW VERSIONS, which may or may not include security fixes |
| 10:01.40 | PerfDave | sml: You're quite right :) |
| 10:01.44 | sml | PerfDave, Guerin in every security mail i've recieved the only release that DOESN@T get a fix is testing. |
| 10:01.57 | PerfDave | sml: No, stable is the only version that gets security fixes. |
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| 10:02.14 | Guerin | sml: you're missing the point... sid's security fixes are INCIDENTAL TO A NEW UPSTREAM RELEASE |
| 10:02.19 | gogo3or | hello how can i test hard drive for bad sectors? |
| 10:02.19 | sml | stable and oldstable get a security release structure, and sid gets a new package (which may contain non security fixes too) |
| 10:02.30 | PerfDave | sml: If you don't understand how security works in unstable, you shouldn't be running it. |
| 10:02.32 | concept10 | bush is a yutz |
| 10:02.38 | sml | Guerin: Oh yes I know that.. but what I'm saying is that sid will get fixed, TESTING wont |
| 10:02.38 | PerfDave | gogo3or: badblocks |
| 10:02.40 | Guerin | gogo3or: badblocks |
| 10:02.51 | Guerin | sml: that's not what you said, though |
| 10:02.52 | PerfDave | sml: Testing will, eventually ;p |
| 10:02.54 | Guerin | !swym |
| 10:02.54 | dpkg | it has been said that swym is Say What You Mean. See also MWYS. |
| 10:03.02 | sml | PerfDave: well yes *eventually* lol. |
| 10:03.18 | f00bar | are packages in sid being compiled against gcc-4 now? |
| 10:03.27 | concept10 | PerfDave, one more non debian question? |
| 10:03.31 | PerfDave | concept10: No |
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| 10:03.53 | sml | Guerin: Oh I never said that sid gets its own security structure like woody/sarge ;-) .. I just said it does get the fixes (albeit in a different way, and along with , perhaps, other non security related fixes). |
| 10:03.59 | concept10 | PerfDave, What do you think about Bush's nominee to the Supreme Court? |
| 10:04.01 | PerfDave | It's also worth noting that since backported security fixes in stable are minimal changes, it's far less likely that they will introduce *new* security holes. |
| 10:04.12 | PerfDave | concept10: I think it's not relevant to #debian, now fuck off. |
| 10:04.17 | Guerin | concept10: #politics |
| 10:04.37 | concept10 | touchy, touchy... Okay, im done |
| 10:04.37 | sml | I've only been using sarge since it froze anyway.. and when it went stable i upgraded all my woody's. |
| 10:04.44 | concept10 | PerfDave, sorry |
| 10:04.54 | Guerin | f00bar: yes |
| 10:05.03 | sml | Or should that be woodies. |
| 10:05.08 | f00bar | Guerin: any idea why that is? |
| 10:05.13 | PerfDave | concept10: No, you're not even slightly sorry. You've been spouting off in here all morning with your non-Debian-related troll-ass shit. Now fuck off. |
| 10:05.24 | Guerin | f00bar: the buildd which builds packages for sid runs sid, and sid's default compiler is gcc4 |
| 10:05.42 | Guerin | s/buildd/buildds/ |
| 10:05.47 | mepis | is simply mepis another name for Debian? |
| 10:05.48 | f00bar | ah ok, so, any idea why gcc4 was chosen as sid's default compiler |
| 10:05.53 | Guerin | mepis: no. |
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| 10:05.57 | sml | PerfDave: I'm wondering. It is possible for an attacker to gain access to a firewall if its running a kernel with a security problem in it ? I mean even if there are no services runing etc |
| 10:05.59 | PerfDave | !tell mepis -about mepis |
| 10:06.17 | Guerin | mepis: it's based on debian like budweiser is based on a beer recipe |
| 10:06.26 | sml | PerfDave: coz although in sarge kernels' are security tracked... via the metapackage.. my old woody systems are currently still running 2.4.x non security tracked kernels |
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| 10:06.41 | PerfDave | sml: A TCP stack exploit can be exploited even if it's not running any services, provided that the machine in question is parsing packets. |
| 10:06.55 | gogo3or | Guerin, its workng and working ........... the badblocks |
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| 10:07.06 | Guerin | gogo3or: takes ages |
| 10:07.22 | sml | PerfDave: i.e. I guess the packet makes it onto the tcp/ip stack even before the kernel gets a change to inspect the rule ? |
| 10:07.27 | sml | s/rule/rules |
| 10:07.28 | gogo3or | for 20GB disk? |
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| 10:07.41 | Guerin | gogo3or: takes as long as it takes ... |
| 10:08.15 | sml | PerfDave: I guess a problem anywhere in the kernel , like the network card driver, could lead to an attacker running aritrary code ? |
| 10:08.32 | Eulex | gogo3or, umh, fscking an ext2 disk? |
| 10:08.51 | mepis | is simply mepis any good? |
| 10:09.00 | highvoltage | mepis: no. |
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| 10:09.19 | Guerin | mepis: as a livecd, it's ok. As an installed OS, it's third-rate |
| 10:09.31 | Guerin | mepis: it's not that hard to install debian. |
| 10:09.32 | highvoltage | mepis: it's good, but i'd recommend debian sarge or ubuntu hoary instead |
| 10:09.34 | sml | I heard that there is a knoppix dvd live-cd now. |
| 10:09.56 | liable | a live dvd cd? |
| 10:09.57 | sml | i guess it wont stay memory resident unless you run it on a super computer lol |
| 10:10.04 | Guerin | !lol |
| 10:10.04 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 10:10.06 | sml | liable: I heard so yes. Check the torrent sites |
| 10:10.09 | highvoltage | liable: yes, you need 8 cd's to boot ie |
| 10:10.09 | PerfDave | sml: It's possible, I suppose. It's happened before. |
| 10:10.14 | highvoltage | s/ie/it |
| 10:10.32 | PerfDave | A live DVD would probably *hurt* performance-wise. |
| 10:10.45 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:10.52 | snail | sml: check out #knoppix. it's better/faster than previous knoppixes |
| 10:10.55 | Guerin | and nobody needs that much compressed software |
| 10:11.01 | Guerin | that's half of sarge |
| 10:11.10 | sml | snail: lol, it was me that mentioned the knoppix live-cd ;) |
| 10:11.18 | gogo3or | Eulex, ReiserFS |
| 10:11.19 | sml | knoppix has saved my bacon so many times its unreal. |
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| 10:11.32 | sml | I wonder if new BIOS' allow you to boot from USB |
| 10:11.34 | Guerin | 3.8 with unionfs is kool |
| 10:11.39 | sml | I could have knoppix on my keyfob then |
| 10:11.53 | Guerin | sml: some do |
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| 10:11.56 | PerfDave | I wonder if the speedup from having Knoppix uncompressed would make up for the slowdown in running off DVD instead of CD... |
| 10:11.58 | snail | Guerin: except that uniion fs was deeply broken in 3.8 and 3.9 |
| 10:12.02 | snail | fixed in 4.0 |
| 10:12.10 | masoft | I removed lot of my packages but I can see them in dpkg -l with RC flag. how can I remove them ? |
| 10:12.17 | PerfDave | masoft: man dpkg |
| 10:12.21 | Guerin | sml: i made a debian boot-key, but don't have anything new enough to test it on |
| 10:12.23 | Guerin | sml: oh, ok. |
| 10:12.28 | snail | PerfDave: none: the limiting factor is reads/seeks |
| 10:12.31 | mepis | why is simply mepis no good? |
| 10:13.03 | gogo3or | who have got Dell laptop there is some tools for these stuff? |
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| 10:13.24 | sml | gogo3or: I've run debian woody and sarge on a dell inspiron 8100 |
| 10:13.27 | PerfDave | gogo3or: What sort of tools did you have in mind? |
| 10:13.28 | Guerin | mepis: it's no good for an installed os, because it's designed to be a self-contained live os. It's got little support, virtually no infrastructure, no security or QA backup, and it differs sufficiently from debian that we can't offer it |
| 10:13.34 | mepis | what exactly is wrong with simply mepis? |
| 10:13.35 | snail | gogo3or: i use a dell laptop and debain and knoppix work perfrectly |
| 10:13.43 | nkuttler | gogo3or: inspiron? i8k tools |
| 10:13.53 | liable | gogo3or: theres dell specific shit in the kernel. |
| 10:13.57 | mepis | simply mepis has no security? so you mean anyone can hack it? |
| 10:13.59 | Guerin | mepis: when you run into problems, you WILL notice the lack of a support community |
| 10:14.00 | gogo3or | latitude c600 |
| 10:14.20 | sml | slink worked well on my gatway solo. :) |
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| 10:14.23 | Guerin | mepis: not necessarily; but if a vulnerability is discovered, there's nobody to fix it |
| 10:14.23 | gogo3or | and my debian box are perfect :) |
| 10:14.27 | mdew | whats happened too http://marillat.free.fr/ ? is there another alternative? |
| 10:14.27 | snail | gogo3or: suck it and see, you're unlikely to have problems with the core stuff |
| 10:14.27 | mepis | Guerin, you mean it has no security to use for net banking etc? |
| 10:14.36 | highvoltage | mepis: and your local lug will also be less likely to help you if you run into problems, simply because few people use it. |
| 10:14.49 | gogo3or | snail, every thing working fine |
| 10:14.49 | Guerin | mepis: i'm not referring to specific situations |
| 10:14.53 | dak | whats a good way to benchmark a porgamm, like after i optimize the complie of it to see how much faster it really is |
| 10:15.07 | Guerin | mepis: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:15.09 | mepis | Guerin, so you have heard of people hacking mepis? |
| 10:15.10 | gogo3or | I'm only asking for some tools to check batery etc. |
| 10:15.22 | Guerin | dak: there isn't one, really. |
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| 10:15.31 | liable | mdew: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 10:15.35 | nkuttler | gogo3or: google "linux laptop" for a start |
| 10:15.36 | dak | can time do it ? |
| 10:15.45 | mepis | Guerin, is fedora also not secure? |
| 10:15.50 | PerfDave | dak: time can offer you *some* benchmarks |
| 10:15.59 | Guerin | mepis: no, but it's not widely enough deployed for it to really be a commonplace thing. Computers are hacked every minute; the vast majority of incidents go unnoticed and unreported |
| 10:16.01 | snail | gogo3or: "apt-cache search power" should give hints what packges to use |
| 10:16.04 | dak | hrm |
| 10:16.10 | snail | mepis: nothing is secure |
| 10:16.14 | Guerin | mepis: fedora at least has SOME infrastructure behind it |
| 10:16.35 | Alver | Any linux is as secure as you make it |
| 10:16.51 | Alver | though some distros have rather nasty defaults |
| 10:17.04 | sml | If i have an .avi (that i suspect is a divX) what program (or package) do I need to be able to make the .VOB etc files necessary to make a DVD? |
| 10:17.16 | Guerin | dak: the thing is, you're unlikely to notice much of a boost from optimising one app, because your app probably spends most of its time waiting for libc, which spends most of its time waiting for the kernel - if those aren't optimised, there's no point. |
| 10:17.28 | Guerin | and if they are optimised, there's almost no point. |
| 10:17.32 | mepis | Guerin, ok! is Debian good for a linux beginner? |
| 10:17.34 | dak | im doing it with epic5 |
| 10:17.42 | Guerin | mepis: depends. Can you read? |
| 10:17.43 | dak | im going to recompile my libs too |
| 10:17.51 | dak | i wish apt-build didnt fuckin suck so much tho |
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| 10:17.56 | Guerin | dak: don't ask for help here, then. Use gentoo. |
| 10:18.11 | dak | im not askin for help i just wanted to know of a benchmark app |
| 10:18.21 | Guerin | dak: apt-build sucks because all the people who are capable of working on it realise it's a fucking waste of time |
| 10:18.53 | dak | their should be away to build debian from source and not have it be crazy hard |
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| 10:19.11 | Guerin | dak: there is. How do you think the debian project does it? |
| 10:19.25 | dak | what do they do |
| 10:19.38 | dak | how do they compile all the packages besides by doing it by hand |
| 10:19.50 | sml | Alver: bash fork bombs dont work so well when you use ulimit. |
| 10:20.02 | Guerin | dak: all debian packages are built, automatically, by a buildd. Search for the packages, they're all in debian. |
| 10:20.12 | Guerin | they're all free software, strangely |
| 10:20.12 | dak | thanks |
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| 10:20.23 | Guerin | dak: warning: some assembly required |
| 10:20.43 | Alver | sml: indeed. Unfortunately, mandrake did/does not have any limits setup by default |
| 10:20.45 | keir | could somebody help me set up my audigy 2 value under debain unstable? |
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| 10:20.54 | dak | i dont see buildd but i see sbuild |
| 10:20.56 | dak | im in sid |
| 10:21.04 | Alver | sml: any user can spawn any number of processes and use as much memory as he/she wishes |
| 10:21.11 | Guerin | dak: buildd is a generic term - it's not a package name |
| 10:21.16 | sml | Alver: Most distributions dont. It's up to the admin to setup the box properly. |
| 10:21.22 | dak | k |
| 10:21.22 | Guerin | it means 'build daemon' |
| 10:21.33 | dak | so sbuild is more or less what you are talking about |
| 10:21.54 | Genghis_ | hi |
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| 10:22.10 | mdew | liable: looks like mplayer for sid is currently broken, requesting libdirectfb-0.9.20, however 0.9.22 is only available :S |
| 10:22.10 | Guerin | Genghis_: sacked any cities lately? |
| 10:22.13 | sml | Alver: likewise with -minfree on mkext2fs, if the admin doesn't set aside sensible limits he'll be screwed. |
| 10:22.17 | Alver | sml: true that. Still I'd find it useful if it defaulted to some loose limit that wouldn't be noticed until something goes totally wrong :) |
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| 10:22.28 | Guerin | Genghis_: i read about the number your kids did on Merv ... that was pretty mean |
| 10:22.45 | liable | mdew: make your source line say sid, not unstable. |
| 10:22.51 | masoft | where can I learn how to write package-name-pattern for dpkg ? |
| 10:23.06 | Guerin | !tell masoft about nm guide |
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| 10:23.32 | quentin_ | is it possible to set an ignorelist of packages for apt? |
| 10:23.45 | Genghis_ | is there any way to make the num-lock work on a debian shell? |
| 10:23.47 | mdew | liable: thanks |
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| 10:24.05 | robhu | How can I remap the Esc key to Escape? I need to connect sometimes using a Windows CE handheld but the keyboard doesnt have escape on it. |
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| 10:24.21 | dak | wow amazing openoffice 1.9 in experimental works |
| 10:24.24 | sml | lots of people here have ipv6 addresses. |
| 10:24.41 | daffy-pkf | can someone help me fix a cups error? i'll paste some line of the log in #flood |
| 10:24.45 | masoft | sml, where is there ? |
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| 10:24.55 | Guerin | dak: without a sun java? |
| 10:24.59 | sml | masoft: KungFuKiD [~KungFuKiD@2002:44bb:e1c5:0:bad:bad:bad:bad] |
| 10:25.20 | dak | yeah with sun java, i didnt try it with out it i got the sun.run and did the debian convert of it to a .deb |
| 10:25.27 | sml | I'm jealous. |
| 10:25.30 | nkuttler | hm, putting APT::Default-Release "stable"; into /etc/apt/apt.conf prevents security updates... |
| 10:25.35 | Guerin | robhu: don't use Windows Chaotic Evil ... use Windows Lawful Good instead |
| 10:25.35 | daffy-pkf | nobody? |
| 10:25.36 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:25.44 | dak | make-jpkg |
| 10:25.53 | robhu | Guerin: Thanks, that's really helpful :) |
| 10:25.55 | nkuttler | gah! it's woody |
| 10:25.59 | Guerin | i guess windows only comes in Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil... |
| 10:26.07 | Guerin | dak: bah, humbug |
| 10:26.08 | liable | daffy-pkf: well, paste the error, we aint mind readers. |
| 10:26.12 | sml | nkuttler: It shouldn't do, should it? |
| 10:26.19 | dak | whats wrong Guerin ? |
| 10:26.22 | nkuttler | yeah, it makes sense |
| 10:26.22 | Guerin | dak: when it worrks with a free java, i'll start caring |
| 10:26.35 | dak | whatever whocares as long as it works |
| 10:26.38 | nkuttler | sml: i just wonder who put that line there |
| 10:26.44 | dak | free or not |
| 10:26.45 | keith | Are there any Open source program/s for family tree or genealogy |
| 10:27.01 | keir | <keir> could somebody help me set up my audigy 2 value under debain unstable? |
| 10:27.05 | dak | it was free for me to download it and it dont expire so whatever |
| 10:27.13 | daffy-pkf | liable> wooops ^^ |
| 10:27.14 | seth | I have a problem with make-kpkg. I get an error saying something like "I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined]". Any ideas? |
| 10:27.16 | cahoot | keirgramps - Genealogical Research and Analysis Management Program |
| 10:27.30 | quentin_ | is it possible to set an ignorelist of packages for apt? |
| 10:27.44 | dak | read the man page seth ? |
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| 10:27.54 | cahoot | keir apt-cache search genealogy display a few |
| 10:27.56 | dak | bet it tells ya |
| 10:27.57 | quentin_ | how can i tell apt to ignore certain packages? |
| 10:27.59 | masoft | where can I learn the "dpkg -l" package-name-pattern ? |
| 10:27.59 | liable | daffy-pkf: um, ok. try linuxprinting mailing list. |
| 10:28.03 | Alver | I'd use 'free java' if it didn't suck so much. Sun is still the best option, regardless. |
| 10:28.18 | keir | cahoot, wtf? |
| 10:28.18 | sml | masoft: I believe they're just regular expressions. |
| 10:28.18 | daffy-pkf | liable> hmmm, well ok |
| 10:28.22 | FaithX | apt-cache search genealogy |
| 10:28.30 | sml | masoft: google on "regular expressions" |
| 10:28.35 | cahoot | keir tab completion error wtf |
| 10:28.41 | keir | heh |
| 10:28.49 | robhu | any suggestions on how to remap guys? |
| 10:28.53 | Guerin | quentin_: what do you mean by 'ignore'? |
| 10:28.59 | Guerin | robhu: xmodmap |
| 10:29.05 | PerfDave | dak: You do realise now that Sun can sue you for contributing code to Open Source projects? |
| 10:29.11 | manuzagri | ke pasa negggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 10:29.11 | quentin_ | that a certain package is not update when i run upgrade |
| 10:29.12 | Guerin | xkeysomething |
| 10:29.26 | liable | xbindkeys |
| 10:29.27 | robhu | Guerin: Thankyou |
| 10:29.30 | Alver | PerfDave: erm... |
| 10:29.32 | nkuttler | quentin_: /msg dpkg hold |
| 10:29.32 | manuzagri | ros queiyas |
| 10:29.33 | sml | quentin_: you can put packages on hold, or add your own packages so they're not updated |
| 10:29.34 | robhu | err |
| 10:29.34 | seth | dak: yes I did... |
| 10:29.38 | robhu | Lots of x somethings |
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| 10:29.44 | Guerin | quentin_: oh, you want to put it on hold. aptitude hold packagename; using aptitude; /msg dpkg hold if you use apt-get |
| 10:29.45 | robhu | Presumably they work without X? |
| 10:29.52 | Guerin | liable has it right |
| 10:29.58 | Guerin | robhu: um, nope |
| 10:30.08 | robhu | heh |
| 10:30.16 | Guerin | robhu: if you're connecting using a ssh client, you need to bind the key client-side |
| 10:30.17 | robhu | Ok - I need to do this while not in X :) |
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| 10:30.30 | manuzagri | does any1 speak spanish |
| 10:30.33 | Guerin | robhu: it can be done, I just don't know how |
| 10:30.34 | Guerin | !es |
| 10:30.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:30.35 | robhu | I'm using bash as the shell... Err the client doesnt support clever stuff like that :) |
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| 10:31.58 | dak | wow i just built epic5 with like 10 cflags for p4's and wow its fast |
| 10:32.30 | Guerin | dak: woo, those curses apps sure run slow on a p4, normally |
| 10:32.47 | PerfDave | Guerin: Hey, this *is* epic ;) |
| 10:33.00 | Guerin | dak: considering it takes me well under a second to start on a p2-233, i think you might be suffering from the placebo effect |
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| 10:33.04 | Guerin | PerfDave: ha |
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| 10:33.24 | balnkiper | ddd |
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| 10:36.42 | sml | Anyone got any ideas on what util to use to put a divX onto a dvd that will be playable on a dvd player? |
| 10:37.03 | Guerin | sml: #videowarez might know |
| 10:37.15 | sml | Guerin: lol. You're kidding right ? |
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| 10:37.49 | sml | Guerin: anyway its a "home movie" honest. |
| 10:37.58 | Guerin | sml: nope. might not be on freenode, but there's bound to be wone someplace. |
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| 10:38.06 | Guerin | s/wone/one/ |
| 10:38.14 | liable | sml: check out doom9.org (not much linux stuff but) |
| 10:38.15 | Guerin | sml: oh, i'm just saying they'd know. |
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| 10:38.30 | mdew | sml: comvert to too mpeg via mencoder, then make into a vcd |
| 10:38.37 | technos | sml: Depends on what dvd player you use. Generally you need to reencode it to MPEG2/mp3, but some DVD players will do divx right off a data-dvd |
| 10:38.43 | sml | mdew: cheers. thanks for your helpfull answer. |
| 10:38.44 | Guerin | do dvd players play vcd? |
| 10:38.51 | mdew | most |
| 10:38.51 | sml | Guerin: Decent ones do. |
| 10:38.54 | liable | yup, should |
| 10:38.54 | Guerin | vcd quality is appalling |
| 10:38.55 | sml | Guerin: some now play even divX |
| 10:39.03 | liable | mine does divx |
| 10:39.05 | manuzagri | what fuckers are in this stupid chatroom |
| 10:39.12 | Guerin | sml: that's pretty cool. bet they don't play xvid or theora |
| 10:39.12 | manuzagri | go get a life |
| 10:39.14 | sml | technos: my dvd player is too old. |
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| 10:39.23 | GodKilla- | t |
| 10:39.26 | Guerin | manuzagri: go fuck yourself kthx |
| 10:39.27 | GodKilla- | hey |
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| 10:39.33 | GodKilla- | Oo |
| 10:39.36 | theb0y | anyone can tell me if i need to pay mp3 license to thomson when i distribute my own gnu/linux distro with mp3 tools? |
| 10:39.47 | Guerin | theb0y: ask a lawyer |
| 10:39.50 | liable | Guerin: mine does xvid. |
| 10:39.52 | PerfDave | theb0y: http://www.mp3licensing.com/ - signs point to yes. |
| 10:40.03 | GodKilla- | so anyone has an idea of mysql, apache and taht stuff? |
| 10:40.03 | Guerin | theb0y: this is not a question you want to ask a bunch of random idiots onirc |
| 10:40.09 | sml | liable: which one do you have ? |
| 10:40.09 | Guerin | liable: sweet. |
| 10:40.12 | manuzagri | y los demas apprende español coño |
| 10:40.14 | liable | Guerin: dont even know what theora is though. |
| 10:40.15 | theb0y | PerfDave can you tell me the right point? |
| 10:40.22 | Guerin | GodKilla-: the people in #mysql and #apache do |
| 10:40.24 | PerfDave | theb0y: What do you mean, "the right point"? |
| 10:40.30 | GodKilla- | ah ok thanks :P |
| 10:40.41 | liable | sml: rowa rdvd104 |
| 10:40.54 | manuzagri | is there any i here from ireland |
| 10:41.00 | theb0y | PerfDave: because debian has also mp3 tools to play mp3 files, if i would distribute debian under gpl.. i don't need to pay licensens for mp3 ? |
| 10:41.09 | sml | liable: expensive ? I think I need a new dvd player. i have loads of divx's but no computer at home... :( |
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| 10:41.19 | Guerin | theb0y: debian can't be distributed under the gpl |
| 10:41.27 | liable | sml: ~$200au iirc |
| 10:41.29 | theb0y | i say suppose |
| 10:41.33 | sml | liable: neat. |
| 10:41.33 | theb0y | doesnt matter |
| 10:41.36 | theb0y | Guerin: distro X |
| 10:41.58 | PerfDave | theb0y: Debian's inclusion of mp3 decoders predates Fraunhofer's latest licence changes. I expect that mp3 decoders will be removed from Debian soon, as they have been removed from other GNU/Linux distributions. |
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| 10:42.09 | Mirimarlu | ññ |
| 10:42.11 | Mirimarlu | ñl |
| 10:42.14 | Guerin | theb0y: you need to make this decision, being informed of the circumstances and ramifications of it, on your own. |
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| 10:42.30 | theb0y | everyone moves to OGG or so? |
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| 10:42.40 | Guerin | theb0y: this might mean saying 'ah, fuck it, they won't sue me' or it might mean going to see a patent lawyer |
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| 10:42.46 | Mirimarlu | ola |
| 10:42.55 | liable | !es |
| 10:42.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:43.27 | Guerin | PerfDave: hrm, interesting |
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| 10:43.41 | PerfDave | theb0y: Well, Ogg Vorbis doesn't require any patent licensing, so it can be distributed freely. |
| 10:44.03 | theb0y | PerfDave or Guerin: so tools that play mp3 files and are included in gnu/linux distros... they don't need to pay licenses, i'm asking -why- |
| 10:44.12 | PerfDave | theb0y: They do need to pay licenses. |
| 10:44.26 | theb0y | slackware has tools that play mp3 files, they pay also? |
| 10:44.35 | PerfDave | theb0y: I have no idea what Slackware does. |
| 10:44.41 | keir | <keir> could somebody help me set up my audigy 2 value under debain unstable? |
| 10:44.47 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 10:44.47 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 10:44.56 | Guerin | theb0y: it's a legal grey area |
| 10:44.59 | Eulex | keir, run alsaconf |
| 10:45.02 | PerfDave | theb0y: Look through the archives of debian-legal |
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| 10:45.07 | theb0y | it says.. if private use, don't pay license |
| 10:45.18 | keir | Eulex, already have, doesnt setect it :( |
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| 10:45.24 | keir | *detect |
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| 10:45.39 | Guerin | theb0y: distributing an OS is not private use |
| 10:45.51 | Eulex | keir, then check alsa-project.org |
| 10:45.53 | theb0y | no you don't understand, |
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| 10:46.08 | aarcane | will Debian run on a mac ppc 603/603e processor at it's present ppc state ? |
| 10:46.09 | PerfDave | theb0y: FFS, read debian-legal. It's been discussed already by lots of people who know what they're talking about. |
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| 10:46.23 | PerfDave | aarcane: Ask #debianppc or read the Debian PPC installation manual. |
| 10:46.32 | aarcane | PerfDave, thankee |
| 10:46.44 | keir | Eulex, already have, tried setting up modules.conf like they suggest etc.. doensnt work :( |
| 10:46.51 | theb0y | PerfDave: okay... but i have no anwser yet |
| 10:47.01 | PerfDave | theb0y: No answer from where? |
| 10:47.18 | liable | keir: the modules loaded? |
| 10:47.18 | theb0y | PerfDave: if you seem to be a smartass, tell me why other linux distro's don't pay mp3 license when they distribute under gpl and gpl mp3 tools that play mp3 files |
| 10:47.48 | liable | theb0y: just go ask the professionals, this isnt a leagal channel. |
| 10:47.51 | PerfDave | theb0y: I already told you. Either they're ignoring the patent or they predate Fraunhofer's change of their patent licensing terms. |
| 10:47.55 | keir | liable, yup |
| 10:48.07 | Guerin | theb0y: <simplification type="gross">previously, fraunhofer, the holders of the mp3 patent, stated they wouldn't enforce their patent against implementations of mp3 decoders, so debian and many others included mp3 decoding software without fear of enforcement. More recently, they stated they WOULD pursue legal remedies against decoding implemmentations, but ttbomk they haven't done so yet. So it's a grey area. |
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| 10:48.13 | Guerin | </simplification> |
| 10:48.33 | theb0y | okay... |
| 10:48.39 | theb0y | i understand now.. |
| 10:48.41 | PerfDave | theb0y: Now, I've given you the site with all the MP3 patent licensing information, I've told you where to find the discussion of Debian's stance on MP3 patented software, feel free to go and actually read rather than sitting here whining. |
| 10:48.48 | Guerin | theb0y: the point is that they don't pay license fees NOW, but they might have to start in the near future, or stop distributing |
| 10:48.55 | theb0y | so they can undertake actions against anyone that distribute gpl mp3 tools that play those file? |
| 10:49.00 | theb0y | i c |
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| 10:49.02 | theb0y | ok.. |
| 10:49.09 | theb0y | now i understnad the whole story |
| 10:49.16 | theb0y | good! ;-) |
| 10:49.24 | Guerin | theb0y: can i have my silver platter back now, please? |
| 10:49.27 | theb0y | damn... OGG is still my second option :p |
| 10:49.31 | theb0y | lol =) |
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| 10:49.54 | defcon8 | mp3 is a company? |
| 10:50.02 | liable | keir: no oss modules loaded either? |
| 10:50.07 | liable | format |
| 10:50.13 | Guerin | defcon8: no. |
| 10:50.15 | defcon8 | i know its a format |
| 10:50.21 | Guerin | defcon8: work on your reading comprehension. |
| 10:50.24 | defcon8 | ok what corp is he patent owned by |
| 10:50.25 | PerfDave | defcon8: No, mp3 is a patented algorithm. The patent is owned by Fraunhofer-Thomson |
| 10:50.35 | PerfDave | defcon8: FFS, go and read http://www.mp3licensing.com/ :) |
| 10:50.37 | keir | liable, not as far as i can see |
| 10:50.49 | keir | alsaconf only pics up my onboard sound |
| 10:50.51 | defcon8 | dude i have only read the past 5 lines or so |
| 10:50.51 | PerfDave | Sweet zombie Jesus, what is it with the legion of stupid in #debian these days? |
| 10:51.03 | liable | keir: they all start with snd-, except soundcore. |
| 10:51.15 | defcon8 | zoöbie jesus? lol |
| 10:51.24 | liable | !irritate PerfDave |
| 10:51.25 | dpkg | PerfDave: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 10:51.38 | liable | :P |
| 10:51.41 | PerfDave | !fuck liable |
| 10:51.46 | robhu | dpkg: OMGWTFBBQ!! |
| 10:51.54 | liable | I love the FUXORZ at the end. |
| 10:51.54 | keir | liable, debian:/home/keir# lsmod | grep snd- |
| 10:51.55 | keir | debian:/home/keir# |
| 10:51.56 | defcon8 | lol |
| 10:51.58 | defcon8 | debina |
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| 10:52.31 | defcon8 | debian flavoured fruit squash |
| 10:53.04 | Guerin | sounds like a personal hygiene product |
| 10:53.31 | Guerin | liable: that actually comes from a real quote in here |
| 10:53.40 | Guerin | it's become a trope |
| 10:53.43 | liable | Guerin: hah, no shit? |
| 10:53.48 | Guerin | liable: yeah |
| 10:53.49 | defcon8 | ushina |
| 10:53.53 | Guerin | !annoy bob2 |
| 10:53.53 | defcon8 | duschina* |
| 10:53.55 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:53.59 | defcon8 | duschian :D |
| 10:54.04 | Guerin | that's the real quote, iirc |
| 10:54.13 | liable | hah |
| 10:54.16 | ufoalien | hrm. I hate ricoh |
| 10:54.31 | ufoalien | I hate built-in pcmcia card reader |
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| 10:55.35 | technos | Guerin: It's a kind of grape, actually. |
| 10:55.38 | defcon8 | http://slashdot.org/articles/05/07/21/0141214.shtml?tid=126&tid=99 |
| 10:55.46 | Guerin | technos: eh? |
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| 10:56.10 | Guerin | snakebite and black, heh |
| 10:56.13 | technos | "debina". :) |
| 10:56.18 | Guerin | technos: oh |
| 10:56.42 | devilx | Hi, I have a problem. |
| 10:56.45 | devilx | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 10:56.45 | devilx | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.46 | sml | Guerin: red witch is fare more potent. snake bite and black plus pernot! |
| 10:56.52 | sml | s/pernot/pernod |
| 10:56.57 | devilx | What shall I do? |
| 10:56.59 | sml | s/fare/far |
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| 10:57.04 | PerfDave | Bah, the one true drink is the Screaming Purple Bastard ;) |
| 10:57.09 | liable | !apt security |
| 10:57.12 | keir | liable, should i try disabling onboard sound? |
| 10:57.13 | sml | PerfDave: lol. What's that then ? |
| 10:57.17 | Eulex | devilx, don't paste in here |
| 10:57.17 | Guerin | defcon8: your problems are that a: you don't read the fucking topic and b: you run sid without requisite clue |
| 10:57.25 | devilx | Eulex, ok I'm sorry |
| 10:57.27 | PerfDave | sml: Pint of diesel, pernod, triple vodka |
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| 10:57.40 | liable | keir: oh, yeah if you have an onboard card too. |
| 10:57.47 | PerfDave | Guerin: Your problem here is that you can't use tabcomplete ;) |
| 10:57.48 | keir | ok |
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| 10:57.52 | sml | PerfDave: What is diesel ? |
| 10:58.01 | sobersabre | where shall i ask a procmail+spamassassin q. ? |
| 10:58.04 | PerfDave | sml: Snakebite + black |
| 10:58.07 | defcon8 | Guerin ok a) where do you get i have no clue b) why are you interested in my probs |
| 10:58.08 | Guerin | possie: right you are! |
| 10:58.09 | sml | ahhhhhh ok. |
| 10:58.13 | liable | keir: are there modules for it loaded? |
| 10:58.13 | technos | sml: It's a motor fuel! |
| 10:58.21 | keir | liable, yes |
| 10:58.24 | sml | PerfDave: Well that's what we call a Black Witch! (i think) |
| 10:58.27 | PerfDave | defcon8: Guerin meant to direct that to devilx, not you ;) |
| 10:58.29 | Guerin | PerfDave: according to some germans I met once, diesel was beer + coke |
| 10:58.34 | sml | technos: Well yes, it's also a denim brand too. |
| 10:58.34 | keir | liable, i just found this: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1 |
| 10:58.35 | liable | keir: um, yeah, disable it in bios. |
| 10:58.38 | Guerin | defcon8: sorry mate |
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| 10:58.54 | defcon8 | Guerin ok lol |
| 10:58.56 | PerfDave | Guerin: That sounds... wrong :) |
| 10:58.58 | Guerin | devilx: your problems are that a: you don't read the fucking topic and b: you run sid without requisite clue |
| 10:58.59 | keir | liyeah, but my card is a value one, it says on that faq that i need to patch cvs alsa :S |
| 10:59.08 | Guerin | PerfDave: it's fucking awful in every way |
| 10:59.45 | devilx | Guerin, I love the friendlyness of people, that's why I choose debian. But you're right, I didn't read the topic. |
| 10:59.56 | sml | PerfDave: The local pub calls it rocket fuel. I prefer my Guiness these days. |
| 10:59.57 | liable | keir: well, do as alsa.org says, they most definately know better than I. |
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| 11:00.07 | Guerin | devilx: so i see. /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 11:00.25 | keir | liable, yes, but its dated 7 months ago, wouldnt it have been incorporated into a release yet? |
| 11:00.29 | defcon8 | sml i first drunk guiness when i was 10. i hated it and now i just drink miller as thats the only decent lager in turkey |
| 11:00.37 | defcon8 | and they dont have guiness here anyway |
| 11:00.40 | GodKilla- | wheres the file in what i can change the server list of of apt-get? |
| 11:00.44 | devilx | Guerin, thank you. |
| 11:00.52 | sml | defcon8: Think yourself lucky. If you *did* have Guiness there it'd be shite. |
| 11:00.53 | liable | keir: sorry dude, no idea. keep searching.. |
| 11:00.57 | baz | GodKilla-: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:00.59 | PerfDave | GodKilla-: /etc/apt/sources.list - see man apt |
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| 11:01.00 | sml | IPA travels well though. |
| 11:01.04 | qwertz_ | Hi, is it possible (and if how) to change the mtu of a ppp connection without restarting the connection? |
| 11:01.05 | keir | liable, ok, cheers for your help |
| 11:01.14 | liable | np |
| 11:01.16 | GodKilla- | thx |
| 11:01.22 | defcon8 | but miller is way expensive here |
| 11:01.28 | defcon8 | so i only have it once in a while |
| 11:01.31 | PerfDave | I'd say something about my local beer being Boddingtons, but it's now brewed in fucking Cardiff. |
| 11:01.32 | GodKilla- | and where do i find a list of servers? |
| 11:01.34 | manuzagri | que pasa neg |
| 11:01.41 | PerfDave | GodKilla-: Just run apt-setup |
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| 11:01.54 | sml | PerfDave: I quite like Adnams although I've not been to the Brewery, yet, in Southwold. |
| 11:01.56 | Guerin | defcon8: wtf, turkey makes efes! |
| 11:02.01 | GodKilla- | oh, thx PerfDave |
| 11:02.01 | sml | PerfDave: You English then ? |
| 11:02.04 | Guerin | defcon8: that's WAY better than miller! |
| 11:02.09 | defcon8 | Guerin dude efes sucks |
| 11:02.11 | manuzagri | Guerin where are u from dude |
| 11:02.14 | defcon8 | its way too bitter |
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| 11:02.25 | defcon8 | even normal efes is |
| 11:02.25 | Guerin | manuzagri: im from a plce wher i cn type lol |
| 11:02.30 | sml | b33r. yum yum. |
| 11:02.32 | PerfDave | sml: Yeah, Admans is good. I keep meaning to pop over the Pennines to Masham for the Theakstons and Black Sheep breweries :) |
| 11:02.32 | liable | go the vb :P |
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| 11:02.37 | defcon8 | try drinking half a damn litre of normal efes and not be disgusted |
| 11:02.39 | Guerin | defcon8: see, your problems is that you don't like beer |
| 11:02.42 | manuzagri | ja ja but u in the states or europe |
| 11:02.45 | Guerin | beer SHOULD be bitter! |
| 11:02.48 | Guerin | manuzagri: no |
| 11:02.49 | defcon8 | well i am 15 :| |
| 11:02.54 | PerfDave | Beer should be served at room temperature. |
| 11:02.55 | liable | hah |
| 11:02.55 | sml | PerfDave: We get two beer festivals a year where I live. |
| 11:02.59 | Guerin | defcon8: that is NO excuse |
| 11:02.59 | defcon8 | but i do like miller because it isnt so bitter |
| 11:03.02 | PerfDave | sml: Where is that? |
| 11:03.06 | sml | PerfDave: Cambridge |
| 11:03.06 | liable | no it fucking shouldnt. |
| 11:03.07 | defcon8 | i said that efes is TOO bitter |
| 11:03.14 | Guerin | i love efes |
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| 11:03.26 | Guerin | it reminds me of midnight trips to kebab shops back home... |
| 11:03.26 | defcon8 | Guerin send me some miller in return if you want |
| 11:03.28 | sml | The Cambridge Beer Festival is the mutts nutts. |
| 11:03.31 | defcon8 | lol |
| 11:03.34 | defcon8 | where do you like guerin |
| 11:03.46 | Guerin | i like most places with beer |
| 11:03.47 | Vibhuti | i wannt to install squid with --eable-snmp option using apt-get |
| 11:03.49 | defcon8 | i live in istanbul but i am in canakkale which is near gallpoli atm |
| 11:03.51 | sml | The winter one was best though. nice 8% stuff to keep you warm in your socks. My favorite was red squirrel. |
| 11:03.52 | Vibhuti | how do i do this |
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| 11:04.07 | PerfDave | sml: The CBF looks good, apart from (a) being in Cambridge and (b) having lots of Cantabridgians around |
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| 11:04.12 | manuzagri | ok so somewher in the UK |
| 11:04.13 | technos | Miller...... |
| 11:04.15 | Guerin | Vibhuti: does debian's package include this option, or is there an alternate package to provide it? |
| 11:04.17 | manuzagri | right guys |
| 11:04.30 | Vibhuti | squid has that option |
| 11:04.35 | Guerin | i'll be drinking tsingtao in about 48 hours |
| 11:04.39 | Vibhuti | i am not sure abt squid in debian |
| 11:04.45 | Guerin | Vibhuti: then apt-get install squid |
| 11:04.48 | defcon8 | Guerin we have pisang at ome :p |
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| 11:05.01 | Vibhuti | can i pass parameters in apt-get while installing packages |
| 11:05.05 | Guerin | Vibhuti: no. |
| 11:05.08 | PerfDave | Vibhuti: apt-get install it. If it doesn't have the option, you'll need to recompile it - see the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 11:05.13 | Guerin | Vibhuti: well, yes, but not compile-time options |
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| 11:05.29 | Vibhuti | ok |
| 11:05.40 | ThePiratemaster | can anyome give me a hand with the server software for Call of Duty? |
| 11:05.41 | Guerin | defcon8: how long will you be there? |
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| 11:05.42 | manuzagri | can some1 talk to me please |
| 11:05.49 | Vibhuti | so i need to download source code an compile it with snmp parameter |
| 11:05.55 | Guerin | manuzagri: the people in #123 love to talk |
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| 11:06.04 | defcon8 | Guerin in turkey or canakkale? btw troy is in canakkale |
| 11:06.11 | manuzagri | wat type of convo is this and wher u all from |
| 11:06.19 | Guerin | Vibhuti: try the debian package fist - they're typically built --with-everything |
| 11:06.24 | manuzagri | gettin bored two spaniards beside me |
| 11:06.25 | sml | defcon8: where abouts are you ? |
| 11:06.31 | Vibhuti | ok let me try and see |
| 11:06.35 | sml | manuzagri: there are spanish linux groups |
| 11:06.41 | sml | s/groups/channels |
| 11:06.42 | Guerin | defcon8: in turkey. I'm travelling through there summer/autumn 2006 |
| 11:06.43 | Vibhuti | Guerin:thks anyways |
| 11:06.45 | defcon8 | sml i live in fenerbahce istanbul. i am now n holiday in my summer home in canakkale |
| 11:06.46 | sml | !es |
| 11:06.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:06.49 | Vibhuti | il check |
| 11:06.53 | defcon8 | Guerin ahh l33t coming to istanbul? |
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| 11:07.01 | PerfDave | Vibhuti: You need to read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages, if it's not already supported. |
| 11:07.03 | Guerin | defcon8: i hope you mean your parents' summer home |
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| 11:07.12 | defcon8 | Guerin well yeah |
| 11:07.12 | manuzagri | I know but not feeling like talkin spanish now |
| 11:07.14 | Eulex | manuzagri, this ain't a chat channel |
| 11:07.19 | Whisky_ | ok what exactly is this file for:-> debian-update-3.0r1-i386.iso |
| 11:07.33 | defcon8 | its mine on my grans will :p |
| 11:07.35 | Guerin | defcon8: I'm doing a road trip from korea -> skye, so I'll definitely be passing through istanbul |
| 11:07.43 | defcon8 | cool |
| 11:07.48 | sml | defcon8: They had a Defcon in Longbeach back in , I think, '98. I was on holiday so didn't attend. I had more pressing matters at hand like trying out the local micro-brewery and getting free b33r. |
| 11:08.03 | defcon8 | my mum used to make wine out of everything |
| 11:08.09 | Guerin | defcon8: how's turkey for random itinerant travellers with little money? |
| 11:08.11 | Whisky_ | someone? :/ |
| 11:08.19 | sml | decklin: was your mums name jesus ? |
| 11:08.24 | PerfDave | Whisky_: It looks like it contains the files to update 3.0r0 to 3.0r1, at a guess. It's totally useless. |
| 11:08.29 | defcon8 | Guerin totally l33t. everything is cheep if you know the right places and right places are everywhere. |
| 11:08.39 | manuzagri | jusus q. chulo |
| 11:08.40 | sml | Totally l33t lmao. |
| 11:08.43 | defcon8 | you can get bootleg tax free electronics and everything |
| 11:08.47 | sml | manuzagri: dont blaspheme. |
| 11:08.47 | Whisky_ | ermmm :S |
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| 11:08.54 | Guerin | defcon8: no grief from the locals? Particularly re: my wife. |
| 11:08.54 | rno | Hi guy, I think nscd is a peace of shit, what do you think ? |
| 11:08.57 | defcon8 | and you can buy pirate shit from everywhere |
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| 11:09.03 | sml | manuzagri: culo tua madre. |
| 11:09.03 | defcon8 | Guerin naah not really |
| 11:09.08 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: k thx |
| 11:09.13 | liable | Whisky_: where is it from? |
| 11:09.18 | PerfDave | rno: I think it's fine on systems where you're not making huge changes to your NIS or LDAP setup. |
| 11:09.22 | Guerin | defcon8: how's public transport? |
| 11:09.44 | defcon8 | its fine if you know how to use it |
| 11:09.58 | Guerin | defcon8: and what if you don't, and don't speak any turkish? |
| 11:09.59 | ThePiratemaster | can anyome give me a hand with the server software for Call of Duty, the error is "Sys_Error: Couldn't load default_mp.cfg. Make sure Call of Duty is run from the correct folder." |
| 11:10.02 | defcon8 | there are buses all the time and everything. istanbulis quite a modern place. dont think of it like baghdad or something |
| 11:10.04 | Guerin | which I expect I won't |
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| 11:10.19 | Whisky_ | liable: http://debian-cd.rutgers.edu/images/i386/ |
| 11:10.21 | Guerin | defcon8: I'll be coming in from iraq, most likely. |
| 11:10.21 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: Go ask Call of Duty's vendors for support :) |
| 11:10.25 | defcon8 | oh i have been here for 3 years. and i know good turkish. naah just tell them the place. |
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| 11:10.40 | defcon8 | theyll prolly know a little bit of english around the most touristic places and stuff |
| 11:10.43 | ThePiratemaster | do you know the software? its not supported by the vendors |
| 11:10.51 | Guerin | defcon8: yeah, like anywhere. |
| 11:10.51 | ThePiratemaster | its not even made by the vendors |
| 11:10.55 | Guerin | cool |
| 11:11.00 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: No, I don't. But I'm guessing it's not a Debian package, or Free Software. |
| 11:11.04 | Guerin | multiple data points is what it's all about |
| 11:11.09 | ThePiratemaster | its free software |
| 11:11.21 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: It's Free Software? |
| 11:11.24 | ThePiratemaster | ya |
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| 11:11.42 | why-oh-why | any blond brazilian women here? |
| 11:11.46 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: Where's the source code? :) |
| 11:11.54 | ThePiratemaster | dunno |
| 11:12.02 | ThePiratemaster | im not a evelopper |
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| 11:12.09 | ThePiratemaster | *developper |
| 11:12.23 | defcon8 | Guerin are you getting me in query? |
| 11:12.26 | PerfDave | Uhm, it uses the Quake 3 engine, which is not Free Software. |
| 11:12.50 | Guerin | defcon8: try again |
| 11:12.59 | rno | PerfDave, I agree |
| 11:13.01 | ThePiratemaster | does it matter, can anyone help me or not? |
| 11:13.06 | rno | If you make change |
| 11:13.14 | rno | you still have to restart/reload it |
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| 11:13.24 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: I don't think I can help. |
| 11:13.28 | Guerin | why-oh-why: no, this channel is populated only by 40-something fat men with acne who live in their parents' basements |
| 11:13.29 | PerfDave | rno: What are you talking about? |
| 11:13.34 | rno | nscd |
| 11:13.43 | defcon8 | Guerinnope no reply |
| 11:13.49 | PerfDave | rno: Well, yes, it's a cache. |
| 11:13.52 | Whisky_ | 34 hours left for Debian CD1 to download, heh |
| 11:13.56 | Whisky_ | 37 now |
| 11:13.57 | fhffhqvb | oh, it's back? |
| 11:13.59 | defcon8 | Whisky_ BUAHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 11:14.01 | Guerin | defcon8: you lie! |
| 11:14.06 | rno | PerfDave, do you think nscd improve the network ? |
| 11:14.09 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 11:14.13 | Guerin | why-oh-why: i believe you're evading a ban |
| 11:14.14 | Whisky_ | damn, 54 :| |
| 11:14.18 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You're on dialup? netinstall might be faster, but will leave your box out of useful service for longer. |
| 11:14.32 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I got the NetInstall one ... |
| 11:14.37 | PerfDave | rno: When running *everything* other than root over LDAPS, it seemed to make a useful difference. |
| 11:14.41 | PerfDave | Whisky_: *fear* |
| 11:14.47 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 11:14.48 | ThePiratemaster | what's why_oh_why's problem? |
| 11:14.58 | fhffhqvb | ThePiratemaster: fleas |
| 11:15.00 | liable | Whisky_: go to a net cafe and get the cd1iso |
| 11:15.01 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: he's a worthless fuckwit |
| 11:15.07 | sml | PerfDave: its supposed to be f33r. |
| 11:15.15 | sml | PerfDave: otherwise they dont get scared enough. |
| 11:15.15 | Whisky_ | liable: And the NetCafe's have dialup too ? |
| 11:15.26 | ThePiratemaster | alright, thanx. i just couldnt figure it out |
| 11:15.32 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/ is the canonical site for iD Software's Linux stuff, perhaps there's some information there you can use. |
| 11:15.34 | Whisky_ | liable: I went to my dad's office today to download and that lame DSL was giving me 4kbps max :| |
| 11:15.38 | liable | Whisky_: pretty fucked net cafe if they have dialup.. |
| 11:15.51 | ThePiratemaster | thanx perfdave |
| 11:15.59 | Whisky_ | dad says they are gonna get some fiber optic link in a day or two or something |
| 11:16.06 | ThePiratemaster | zerowing... |
| 11:16.09 | Whisky_ | so CD2 will be from the office then =p |
| 11:16.16 | ThePiratemaster | all your base are belong to us? |
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| 11:16.24 | liable | Whisky_: thats what I do if I need an iso, most I have been to ~1hr for 700mb |
| 11:16.31 | cmihai | So indeed you have to sell your soul to work for microsoft. redmond just sued google becouse an ex-employee joined google, and that's against ms policy... |
| 11:16.49 | Whisky_ | liable: To be honest, net cafe's are slower. 1 dialup connection split between 40 computers. Cool, aint it? |
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| 11:17.12 | liable | Whisky_: you must be fucking kidding if they use dialup. |
| 11:17.15 | effowe | hey im having issues booting my newly recompiled kernel, im getting a "modprobe: fatal: could not load /lib/modules/.../modules.dep" error on boot |
| 11:17.27 | Whisky_ | duh, 61 hours left |
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| 11:17.41 | Whisky_ | liable: I swear, heh |
| 11:17.52 | PerfDave | effowe: So don't compile your own kernels, use a kernel-image package instead. |
| 11:18.05 | effowe | perf: yeah i tried doing that too, same error |
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| 11:18.14 | ThePiratemaster | the EU should adopt alot of opensource and gnu projects that are part of linux so we can make a strong compeditor againstmicrosoft |
| 11:18.24 | Eulex | !tell effowe about nicktab |
| 11:18.36 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: "adopt" how? They can't take ownership of them, and we wouldn't want them to. |
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| 11:18.53 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: GNU/Linux is already a strong competitor against Microsoft ;) |
| 11:18.59 | ThePiratemaster | well my english aint so good |
| 11:19.07 | sml | PerfDave: when you install a kernel-image package does it automatically update your grub.conf file so that both the old kernel and hte new one are bootable or does it just replace your current config ? |
| 11:19.19 | ThePiratemaster | i mean even stronger, like everyone to 90% in EU using it |
| 11:19.49 | Eulex | effowe, have you got any working kernel? |
| 11:19.53 | ThePiratemaster | and supporting it like adapting laws in its favor and stuff |
| 11:19.55 | PerfDave | sml: Assuming you haven't changed your grub.conf in a way that makes it unparseable by the kernel-image stuff, it should add the new kernel (and a single-user boot for it) to your GRUB menu. |
| 11:19.56 | effowe | sml: yes, the options are there, when i install the kernel package it actually doesnt add a initrd line so on boot i get a different error "cannot open root device hd1 or (hd0,0" something like that |
| 11:20.11 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: You want the EU to *force* people to use Microsoft? |
| 11:20.20 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: You want the EU to *force* people to use Linux, rather? |
| 11:20.20 | Guerin | ... |
| 11:20.34 | effowe | Eulex: yeah, the 2.4.27-2-386 one that comes with sarge |
| 11:20.36 | ThePiratemaster | no make it easier for them |
| 11:20.40 | PerfDave | effowe: You appear to have screwed your grub.conf |
| 11:20.44 | ThePiratemaster | ppl dont know what lniux is in general |
| 11:20.45 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: And how would they do that? |
| 11:20.54 | sml | PerfDave: ok cool. Well I'll make a backup of my grub.conf just in case, plus I'll take a look inside it once I've put a new kernel on. |
| 11:21.28 | PerfDave | sml: Have a read through. Debian's menu.lst is really groovy |
| 11:21.38 | ThePiratemaster | adverising it, set up mirrors, clean out stuff like the stuff walace sewed the FSF for |
| 11:21.48 | hsn_ | can i do install over network on machine without keyboard and screen? |
| 11:21.53 | Whisky_ | who over here can download at 1+ mb per second ? |
| 11:21.58 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: That's not the job of the European Union, and it shouldn't be. |
| 11:22.01 | effowe | PerfDave: well after that first error i did a mkinitrd and referred to it in my grub, which is when the other error disappeared and the modprobe one started |
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| 11:22.04 | PerfDave | hsn_: Yes, google for it. |
| 11:22.11 | PerfDave | effowe: You weren't using make-kpkg? |
| 11:22.12 | ThePiratemaster | clean the source code of "propertairy (impresent) SCO unix code |
| 11:22.15 | boycer | Whisky_: depends on the server, but yes. |
| 11:22.22 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: There is no illegal code in Linux. |
| 11:22.26 | Whisky_ | :S |
| 11:22.29 | effowe | PerfDave: well i tried it both ways, first compiling from scratch, then by doing the make-kpkg |
| 11:22.32 | hsn_ | PerfDave: works this over ssh? |
| 11:22.35 | Whisky_ | i can download at 4 kbps, phear me!!! |
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| 11:22.41 | PerfDave | hsn_: I believe so, yes. |
| 11:22.44 | Rathnor | asac: don't suppose you're around? |
| 11:22.51 | PerfDave | effowe: I think you screwed your /boot/grub/menu.lst somehow. |
| 11:22.55 | technos | ssh? Null modem, baybee! |
| 11:23.05 | boycer | Whisky_: well, w00t. Satellite broadband? |
| 11:23.28 | Whisky_ | boycer: 4 kbps :| Dialup heh |
| 11:23.29 | effowe | PerfDave: well do you have any suggestions? my menu.lst option for the new kernel looks like the entry for the old working kernel |
| 11:23.43 | PerfDave | effowe: Not off the top of my head, other than asking #grub |
| 11:23.55 | boycer | Whisky_: bad line - I used to get around 40 kbps |
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| 11:24.11 | knt | what's the function of /etc/aliases? |
| 11:24.20 | effowe | PerfDave: aight thanks for the help, im heading over there |
| 11:24.20 | boycer | knt: email aliases |
| 11:24.28 | Whisky_ | boycer: on Dialup? I get connected at 50.6 kbps but the download rate is 4 or 5kbps |
| 11:24.30 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: If you want to support GNU/Linux in Europe, do two things - set up a monthly donation and throw some euros to FSF Europe, and lobby your MEP (and national and local government representatives for that matter) with how you'd like them to vote on legislation. |
| 11:24.48 | boycer | Whisky_: ah, I think you mean bytes (B) not bits (b) |
| 11:24.48 | fortran01 | Has anyone tried playing GO-OPEN SOURCE in vlc (in mp4 format)? |
| 11:24.56 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 11:25.07 | ThePiratemaster | good one |
| 11:25.10 | boycer | Whisky_: I got about that too :) |
| 11:25.17 | Whisky_ | he |
| 11:25.18 | Whisky_ | h |
| 11:25.33 | ThePiratemaster | is anyone of you still being Ied by whyohwhy? |
| 11:25.36 | PerfDave | Heh, there's something ironic about video concerning Open Source in a patent-encumbered format ;) |
| 11:25.45 | Eulex | effowe, you mean for the new stock kernel? |
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| 11:26.43 | effowe | Eulex: sorry i dont know what youre referring to |
| 11:26.51 | fortran01 | PerfDave: haha |
| 11:27.09 | Whisky_ | ThePiratemaster: What do u mean Ied ? |
| 11:27.13 | Eulex | effowe, get rid of that kernel you have compiled yourself. get a stock kernel |
| 11:27.40 | Whisky_ | any ideas who a dialup user can contact in his area to get Debian Discs downloaded in a flash ? |
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| 11:28.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Ask your local LUG, or buy from a commercial vendor of Linux ISOs. |
| 11:28.22 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: local LUG is still at Woody, heh |
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| 11:28.43 | Whisky_ | and a guy over here is offering me his 7 discs for the install of Woody |
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| 11:29.01 | ThePiratemaster | woody will be discontinued in 10 months |
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| 11:29.08 | Eulex | effowe, the debian stock kernel, the one that's included in debian -- and please do not /msg me |
| 11:29.15 | ThePiratemaster | (the security updates that is) |
| 11:29.46 | Whisky_ | cant i update from woody > sarge |
| 11:29.51 | mops | my server was restarted, but I don't know WHY |
| 11:30.00 | mops | last command outputted sth like this |
| 11:30.04 | mops | reboot system boot 2.6.8-2-386 Thu Jul 21 13:17 (00:11) |
| 11:30.11 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You can, but it'll basically need to upgrade every package on your system, so you won't be saving yourself any bandwidth. |
| 11:30.17 | mops | and in logs there aren't nothing... |
| 11:30.25 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Read the Sarge release notes for details on upgrading from Woody, it's slightly tricky. |
| 11:30.25 | Whisky_ | ermmm |
| 11:30.26 | mops | what could cause this reboot? |
| 11:30.35 | fortran01 | Has anyone tried playing mp4 format in vlc with no sound? |
| 11:30.50 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Any other ideas to get sarge downloaded quickly ? Who would do it for me ? |
| 11:31.06 | ThePiratemaster | can anyome give me a hand with the server software for Call of Duty, the error is "Sys_Error: Couldn't load default_mp.cfg. Make sure Call of Duty is run from the correct folder.". i have no idea on how to proceed |
| 11:31.24 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Nope. Ask your local LUG, or buy a CD/DVD set from a vendor. |
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| 11:31.50 | Whisky_ | No Vendors, and LUG is still at Woody |
| 11:31.59 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Then you're SOL. |
| 11:32.06 | PerfDave | Whisky_: What do you mean, "no vendors"? |
| 11:32.11 | streuner | !sol |
| 11:32.12 | dpkg | well, sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 11:32.13 | Eulex | ThePiratemaster, why don't you ask the mailing list of that thing, or e-mail the author or something |
| 11:32.17 | Whisky_ | !sol |
| 11:32.23 | Whisky_ | lol |
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| 11:32.35 | ThePiratemaster | whisky, ank a fliend to downlaod it for you |
| 11:32.39 | ThePiratemaster | *ask |
| 11:32.41 | Whisky_ | yay, 3% !! |
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| 11:32.47 | PerfDave | Whisky_: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ has a list |
| 11:33.04 | Eulex | Whisky_, get the LUG to d/l sarge |
| 11:33.11 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: all over here are still at Woody :S |
| 11:33.21 | Whisky_ | ThePiratemaster: Everyone's got Dialup, get real =p |
| 11:33.29 | hsn_ | for remote install i need different boot CD or normal CD? |
| 11:33.38 | ThePiratemaster | what country r u in? |
| 11:33.43 | PerfDave | Whisky_: So buy from a vendor who sells Sarge already! |
| 11:33.46 | gogo3or | gogobox:~# badblocks -s -o a.txt /dev/hda |
| 11:33.46 | gogo3or | Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done 040 |
| 11:33.50 | technos | Find a business with a small T and unsecured wireless! |
| 11:33.52 | tarzeau | Guerin: asking me what? |
| 11:33.54 | gogo3or | this is warring |
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| 11:34.05 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: There arent any vendors that are selling Sarge already ! |
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| 11:34.21 | Eulex | Whisky_, e-mail them and ask why |
| 11:34.35 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Fuck, I guess that those Sarge DVDs sitting on my desk that I bought must be a figment of my imagination then! |
| 11:34.36 | Guerin | tarzeau: about turkey |
| 11:34.39 | Whisky_ | k |
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| 11:34.58 | Guerin | tarzeau: which lies on my planned route between korea and the scottish islands |
| 11:35.00 | PerfDave | And this laptop I installed from them. I must really be using Windows still, it's a horrible hallucination. |
| 11:35.00 | gogo3or | 040 is big for 20 GB disk |
| 11:35.01 | gogo3or | ? |
| 11:35.04 | tarzeau | Guerin: go ahead, i don't feel like searching in the backlog |
| 11:35.16 | tarzeau | Guerin: you want to visit me? i'm in switzerland |
| 11:35.21 | PerfDave | Still, I appear to have Windows with KDE and akregator and apt-get so I don't think I'm going to complain too much ;) |
| 11:35.23 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I'm not in Europe or USA, heh. Pakistan (and especially my city) are a way back... |
| 11:35.26 | tarzeau | Guerin: but if you go to turkey, visit istanbul, great city |
| 11:35.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: general 'what's it like for random foreign travelers' stuff |
| 11:35.41 | PerfDave | Whisky_: We have this thing called "the Internet" and "the postal service" |
| 11:35.53 | tarzeau | Guerin: friendly, be nice, and they are nice to you, be interested ask, try the food |
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| 11:36.15 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: we have "Dialup" called Internet and "Woody" called "Latest Debian" ;p |
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| 11:36.20 | tarzeau | Guerin: visit the sea (boat trip) and some museums |
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| 11:36.27 | Guerin | tarzeau: this is what I hear from everyone, and it's good news. |
| 11:36.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: there's lotsa nightlife. hands off of drugs |
| 11:36.45 | PerfDave | Whisky_: So use your dialup internet to get a non-Pakistani vendor to sell you some Sarge CDs or DVDs! |
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| 11:36.48 | Guerin | tarzeau: drugs'r baad, mkaay |
| 11:36.50 | insan0 | 5 |
| 11:36.50 | tarzeau | Guerin: i wasn't there since like two years now |
| 11:37.06 | `UD | any one know much about cryptsetup? |
| 11:37.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: i'll have had enough of those after nam/cambodia.laos.india/pakistan/afghanistan/etc |
| 11:37.14 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Good idea. |
| 11:37.21 | balnkiper | hola |
| 11:37.31 | balnkiper | Hello |
| 11:37.32 | bob2 | tarzeau: are you a DD yet? |
| 11:37.38 | balnkiper | yes |
| 11:37.46 | balnkiper | are you? |
| 11:37.54 | tarzeau | bob2: no. don't ask me, i doubt i'll be someday soon. and i don't care. debian is crap |
| 11:38.00 | Guerin | ... |
| 11:38.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: http://www.thelinuxemporium.co.uk/products/general/#pid3975 may be what you want, I'm sure that they'llo ship internationally if you ask them nicely. |
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| 11:38.23 | PerfDave | Guerin: Hey, can you swing by Whisky_ and give him some Sarge CDs on your way through Pakistan? :) |
| 11:38.35 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I'll get it from someone, np. |
| 11:38.44 | Guerin | PerfDave: sure, whereabouts? |
| 11:38.50 | Guerin | Whisky_: whereabouts? |
| 11:38.52 | Whisky_ | Guerin: Where u goin? |
| 11:38.55 | tarzeau | bob2: are you applying already? |
| 11:39.00 | Guerin | Whisky_: from korea to scotland |
| 11:39.07 | Guerin | Whisky_: via *stan |
| 11:39.13 | PerfDave | Guerin: Come via Manchester! :) |
| 11:39.20 | Guerin | PerfDave: i mose assuredly will |
| 11:39.21 | Whisky_ | ermm, where does Pakistan come there :| |
| 11:39.25 | bob2 | tarzeau: not yet |
| 11:39.33 | Guerin | Whisky_: just after india, and before afghanistan |
| 11:39.39 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Guerin is taking the long way around :) |
| 11:39.45 | Whisky_ | YES! |
| 11:40.06 | Whisky_ | Guerin: I'm around 40 minutes drive from the Afghan border; although i'm in a settled area and the capital of my province |
| 11:40.07 | Guerin | i can't travel through that area without going to india and pakistan and afghanistan |
| 11:40.10 | Guerin | it's be stupid |
| 11:40.12 | Whisky_ | woa! |
| 11:40.13 | tarzeau | bob2: good luck |
| 11:40.20 | Guerin | Whisky_: peshawar? |
| 11:40.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: hm, thanks |
| 11:40.38 | Whisky_ | Guerin: yes :) |
| 11:40.44 | Whisky_ | how do u know ? |
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| 11:41.19 | Guerin | Whisky_: i've spent about the last few months studying maps |
| 11:41.33 | Whisky_ | lol |
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| 11:41.41 | PerfDave | hsn_: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerNetboot may be of interest to you |
| 11:42.00 | Whisky_ | so when are u coming over ? |
| 11:42.13 | Guerin | Whisky_: so how is peshawar for random idiot travellers without much clue, and who bring their wives with them? |
| 11:42.25 | Guerin | i've heard peshawar is a rough-arsed town |
| 11:42.46 | Whisky_ | Guerin: Not a problem. You can have lots of fun |
| 11:42.52 | Guerin | Whisky_: leaving korea 1st march 2006, should be in *stan aroud june, i guess |
| 11:42.52 | Whisky_ | Guerin: it used to be, its a huge city now |
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| 11:43.01 | daffy-pkf | did someone here already managed to use the lexmark 3200 printer well? i managed to use it, but colors are awful and it looks like it put too many ink... (the ink is mixing on the paper, so it is REALLY awfull) |
| 11:43.14 | Whisky_ | lol i can download sid by that time too :p |
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| 11:43.36 | brucebird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:44.27 | Guerin | Whisky_: heh |
| 11:44.31 | Whisky_ | Guerin: Although i wouldnt recommend comparing Peshawar to Korea |
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| 11:44.47 | zap_ | hi. what kind of video conferencing tools do you know / recommend (apart from gnomemeeting)? |
| 11:44.54 | Whisky_ | all you can find here is Redhat 9, Fedora Core 2 and Suse 9.2 Live CD's -_- |
| 11:45.27 | ThePiratemaster | whisky, do you want to buy linux? |
| 11:45.28 | Guerin | Whisky_: you can debootstrap off of those |
| 11:45.39 | ThePiratemaster | www.linuxiso.com |
| 11:45.46 | Guerin | zap_: what's wrong with gnomemeeting? |
| 11:46.09 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: how's their service to peshawar, on the afghan border in pakistan? |
| 11:46.12 | Whisky_ | whats that? |
| 11:46.16 | Guerin | ThePiratemaster: not too flash, I bet. |
| 11:46.31 | zap_ | Guerin: nothing (apart from that it uses h323 ;) |
| 11:46.41 | Guerin | zap_: what's wrong with h.323? |
| 11:46.49 | ThePiratemaster | ay, sorry |
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| 11:46.54 | zap_ | Guerin: not very nice protocol to firewalls |
| 11:46.59 | Whisky_ | k, hang |
| 11:47.01 | Guerin | zap_: fair enough. |
| 11:47.05 | zap_ | Guerin: you need gateways all over the way |
| 11:47.11 | positrix | do i need to recompile my kernel to get acpi? |
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| 11:47.17 | Guerin | zap_: you want something that can tunnel over http? |
| 11:47.21 | Guerin | positrix: no. |
| 11:47.28 | daffy-pkf | well nevermind... according to what i found on google, nobody managed to use that printer well, can someone recommand me a cheap printer that works under linux? |
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| 11:47.29 | zap_ | Guerin: i am just collecting |
| 11:47.30 | Whisky_ | =p |
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| 11:47.39 | PerfDave | positrix: Debian kernel-images have ACPI |
| 11:47.44 | Konky | hi |
| 11:47.50 | Konky | Is there any nice tool for runlevel configuration? update-rc is really NOT nice ;) |
| 11:47.51 | zap_ | Guerin: it would also be nice if the tool would support linux and windows |
| 11:47.55 | Guerin | zap_: because you can tunnel h.323 over http :) |
| 11:48.07 | Guerin | zap_: gnomemeeting is the only one i know of which does |
| 11:48.09 | zap_ | Guerin: which tool does that? |
| 11:48.15 | Guerin | zap_: httptunnel |
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| 11:48.16 | Whisky_ | Ive ordered free Ubuntu CD's using their "Ship It" part of the site |
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| 11:48.25 | Whisky_ | got shipped at 30th June |
| 11:48.27 | PerfDave | zap_: You only need gateways if you use NAT :) |
| 11:48.30 | Whisky_ | still not here, heh |
| 11:48.33 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Eww, Ubuntoy ;) |
| 11:48.36 | Guerin | Whisky_: haha |
| 11:48.37 | zap_ | Guerin: that is a general ip/http encapsulator if i remember correctly |
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| 11:48.43 | zap_ | PerfDave: right |
| 11:48.45 | Guerin | zap_: right. |
| 11:48.46 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 11:48.47 | Konky | anyone knows one? |
| 11:48.57 | tarzeau | is there no list like pacakge;version;downloadurl(from copyright file);shortdescription (preferably sid)? |
| 11:48.57 | Guerin | !serices |
| 11:48.59 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Everything's good when it's free :p |
| 11:49.01 | Guerin | !services |
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| 11:49.01 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 11:49.04 | mdew | wheres the grub.conf held? /boot/grub was my first logical place (where gentoo normally keeps it) |
| 11:49.07 | zap_ | Guerin: a very nice project (read about it some time ago) but it's linux only :) |
| 11:49.07 | tarzeau | how could i build such a list with the least effort? |
| 11:49.09 | Guerin | Konky: ^^^^↑ |
| 11:49.12 | cheale1 | Konky: try rcconf |
| 11:49.13 | zap_ | Guerin: isn't it` |
| 11:49.14 | PerfDave | Whisky_: I'd rather pay for Debian than use Ubuntu for free :) |
| 11:49.17 | Guerin | zap_: right. |
| 11:49.29 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 11:49.30 | zap_ | Guerin: anyway, do you know other video conferencing tools? |
| 11:49.37 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 11:49.37 | ThePiratemaster | we too |
| 11:49.37 | Guerin | tarzeau: awk or perl |
| 11:49.40 | Konky | thanks |
| 11:49.42 | Guerin | zap_: nope, sorry. |
| 11:49.42 | Konky | gonna try |
| 11:49.47 | zap_ | Guerin: no problem |
| 11:50.06 | tarzeau | Guerin: input data where? |
| 11:50.11 | zap_ | anyone else knows a video conferencing software besides gnomemeeting? |
| 11:50.17 | liable | Konky: sysvconfig also. |
| 11:50.22 | tarzeau | Guerin: i kinda don't want to do 15000 http requests on copyright files |
| 11:50.22 | Whisky_ | Guerin: You are likely to find tall, fair and muscular people here =p |
| 11:50.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: neither do i want to install all packages to get the copyright files |
| 11:50.43 | Whisky_ | but poverty has reduced height and fairness :[ |
| 11:50.44 | Guerin | tarzeau: oh, there's a point |
| 11:51.02 | ThePiratemaster | my town gets a fiberoptic network |
| 11:51.02 | Guerin | Whisky_: i'm not sure which meaning of 'fair' you're driving at |
| 11:51.07 | ThePiratemaster | fastest one in the country |
| 11:51.11 | Konky | ye those tools look useable, thanks ;) |
| 11:51.23 | Whisky_ | Guerin: And if u see beggers, they'll be the lame afghans. A pathan will *NEVER* resort to begging even if it kills him. |
| 11:51.33 | Guerin | Whisky_: hahaha |
| 11:51.37 | Whisky_ | Guerin: White :p |
| 11:51.39 | Guerin | Whisky_: i've heard that too |
| 11:51.41 | technos | I think he means as in "fair skinned" |
| 11:51.45 | ThePiratemaster | but i'll have to settle for a lame 10/20 mbit ocnenction |
| 11:51.50 | Whisky_ | its history :) |
| 11:51.52 | ThePiratemaster | *conection |
| 11:51.56 | Guerin | Whisky_: though I heard it said using the term Pashtun :) |
| 11:52.05 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 11:52.26 | Whisky_ | Guerin: People from Punjab used to be our slaves hundered of years ago, heh |
| 11:52.36 | Whisky_ | Guerin: Yeah, but in Local language we call it "Pukhtoon" |
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| 11:52.49 | Whisky_ | :) |
| 11:52.52 | positrix | ThePiratemaster: 10/20 mbit is considered lame???!?!?!?!!!1!11oneone11eleven!!one1 |
| 11:53.04 | Guerin | Whisky_: so your ancestors are from west of the mountains, then. |
| 11:53.05 | tarzeau | dondek: any results on the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 11:53.33 | ids | hi... what does irssi come under in apt-get? |
| 11:53.41 | tarzeau | ids: irssi-text ? |
| 11:53.41 | Guerin | !acs irssi |
| 11:53.42 | dpkg | apt-cache search irssi |
| 11:53.51 | ids | ok thanks |
| 11:53.53 | why-oh-why | what religion are the pakis |
| 11:53.57 | ids | muslim ? |
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| 11:54.06 | Whisky_ | Guerin: All basically from Afghanistan. The English gave the title of "Khan Bahadur" to my great grand father. He had 1000 infantry and 700 horses + riders |
| 11:54.11 | Guerin | why-oh-why: depends where you are. Mostly sunni. |
| 11:54.12 | thoron | why-oh-why, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan |
| 11:54.16 | tarzeau | this is not #world-relations |
| 11:54.16 | ThomasAH | Hi! Does some still have acroread 5.x .deb packages (for sarge)? I only find 7.x |
| 11:54.17 | why-oh-why | what is sunni |
| 11:54.19 | streuner | why-oh-why: #politics |
| 11:54.22 | Guerin | why-oh-why: badass |
| 11:54.29 | Guerin | !fgi why-oh-why sunni |
| 11:54.30 | dpkg | why-oh-why: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sunni |
| 11:54.30 | streuner | why-oh-why: Are you a bot? |
| 11:54.34 | Whisky_ | lol |
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| 11:54.41 | Guerin | streuner: no, he's just a useless fuckwit |
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| 11:54.49 | Whisky_ | lollololololol |
| 11:54.53 | why-oh-why | who is this Guerin fellow? |
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| 11:55.01 | liable | ThomasAH: debian snapshot |
| 11:55.01 | Whisky_ | lol, ownage ;P |
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| 11:55.09 | Guerin | he's your second-worst fucking nightmare in this channel |
| 11:55.16 | ids | lol |
| 11:55.18 | _linuxAS_ | lunch time |
| 11:55.19 | why-oh-why | well he's on ignore now |
| 11:55.22 | Whisky_ | loooool |
| 11:55.24 | _linuxAS_ | see you! |
| 11:55.30 | Whisky_ | pwnd |
| 11:55.34 | Guerin | that's fine ... the ops can still read what you say |
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| 11:55.46 | Whisky_ | heh |
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| 11:55.57 | streuner | dpkg, lart why-oh-why |
| 11:56.08 | Whisky_ | k dude |
| 11:56.13 | Whisky_ | im off for a while, TV! |
| 11:56.13 | Whisky_ | ba bye |
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| 11:56.24 | Whisky_ | let the download continue, heh |
| 11:56.28 | PerfDave | Tata Whisky_ :) |
| 11:56.40 | Whisky_ | ba bye PerfDave :) |
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| 11:57.31 | ThomasAH | lia*: I always forget that woody's ircII has problems with such big channels and nick completion ... snapshot.debian.net doesn't have this package because it never was an official one. That's why I said .deb package and not Debian package |
| 11:57.56 | ThomasAH | hm ... |
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| 11:58.21 | ThomasAH | searching for acroread didn't work, but for acro yields acroread ... strange |
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| 11:58.43 | Guerin | ThomasAH: why would you want 5.x over 7.x? why woiuld you want acrocrap at all? |
| 11:58.51 | knt | is it opssible to use another init system? a more light one? |
| 11:58.55 | Guerin | (ok, so there's pdf forms ... bah) |
| 11:59.06 | Guerin | knt: yes, but it's not advised |
| 11:59.20 | Guerin | knt: there are alternatives in debian |
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| 11:59.24 | knt | Guerin, what's the alternatives? |
| 11:59.27 | ThomasAH | guerin: I don't want it, but a client has some scripts written around acroread 5 which may not work with 7 |
| 11:59.30 | Coke | more "light" than what? |
| 11:59.51 | Guerin | knt: dunno. /msg dpkg search |
| 12:00.10 | Guerin | ThomasAH: adobe.com is your best bet, then. |
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| 12:01.27 | ColonelKernel | ok if I use the gnome utility I can manually set the desktop refresh rate to 100hz in 1024x768. How can I get gnome/X to fore 100hz for whenever I use 1024x768 (ie games) |
| 12:01.51 | ColonelKernel | I tried putting a Modeline in the XFree86-4 monitor section and I disabled ddc |
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| 12:02.44 | alfatau | hi, someone knows if i can put into fstab a line which makes "mount --bind olddir newdir", to automatically mount a part of the fs on another dir at boot? |
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| 12:03.35 | PerfDave | alfatau: Yes, you can. |
| 12:03.38 | PerfDave | CIIRC, want xrandr to script changes to resolution and reftresh |
| 12:03.53 | reppel | is there a version of postfix with vda support in debian? |
| 12:04.05 | technos | You know you're desperate for a cigarette when you light up next to a thousand gallon tank of benzene. |
| 12:04.09 | PerfDave | ColonelKernel: IIRC, you want xrandr to script changes to resolution and refresh. |
| 12:04.21 | alfatau | PerfDave: well, i can't find any help on the manpage about mount binding.... can you help me? |
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| 12:05.10 | mdeboer | hi. |
| 12:05.18 | xydarcher | en, where can i find the driver disscusion channel? |
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| 12:06.07 | PerfDave | alfatau: Hmm, I think you just specify "bind" in the options in fstab |
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| 12:06.30 | ColonelKernel | still no luck with the refresh rate probem |
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| 12:06.34 | ColonelKernel | so odd |
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| 12:06.56 | knt | Guerin, I couldn't find any alternatives to sysvinit. can you help |
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| 12:07.46 | PerfDave | knt: Why do you want an alternative to sysvinit? |
| 12:07.53 | mdeboer | if package A gets a new name, say B, and a new version of a package with name A is created, only to depend on B, and satisfy existing dependencies - how is this called in debian terminology? |
| 12:08.18 | knt | PerfDave, i'm trying to cut down the size of debian fs. will try to use it in an embedded system. |
| 12:08.27 | PerfDave | mdeboer: A virtual package |
| 12:08.38 | PerfDave | knt: Are you familiar with embdebian project? |
| 12:08.54 | tarzeau | knt: how small? |
| 12:09.03 | knt | PerfDave, no. i've never heard of it. |
| 12:09.11 | tarzeau | knt: we have debian based fingerprint systems, they fit like into 8 mb or 16 i don't remember |
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| 12:09.26 | tarzeau | !emdebian |
| 12:09.26 | dpkg | [emdebian] a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 12:09.33 | mdeboer | But "virtual package" can be a lot of different things, right? isn't there a special term for this specific case? |
| 12:09.47 | eguzkia | hello i need a DVD player |
| 12:10.28 | technos | eguzkia: Try #bestbuy or #frys. :) |
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| 12:10.34 | mdeboer | :-) |
| 12:10.46 | knt | tarzeau, emdebian.org seems to be down. lol. |
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| 12:11.02 | PerfDave | mdeboer: A virtual package is a package which contains no files, but just exists to depend on things. |
| 12:11.02 | eguzkia | technos: no i need an aplication to read DVD films |
| 12:11.16 | yaboo | anyone know where I can find docs on using mysql under debian |
| 12:11.32 | ufoalien | a |
| 12:11.38 | ufoalien | eguzkia: xine |
| 12:11.43 | PerfDave | eguzkia: vlc, or ogle. You'll probably need DeCSS too unless you're planning on only playing non-region-encoded DVDs |
| 12:11.46 | technos | eguzkia: Try mplayer or vlc. Or xine, yeah. |
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| 12:12.16 | Coke | yaboo: it works the same way as on other GNU systems and most POSIX |
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| 12:12.31 | ColonelKernel | ok this is incredibly frustatring |
| 12:12.37 | ColonelKernel | frustratin |
| 12:12.39 | ColonelKernel | ugh |
| 12:12.45 | Zytox | is there support for install on SATA disk on the install cd's on Sarge ? |
| 12:12.52 | technos | third time's the charm, ColonelKernel |
| 12:12.54 | mdeboer | PerfDave: that's a mouthfull :-) |
| 12:13.20 | yaboo | Coke oh no it dosen't |
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| 12:13.33 | yaboo | I can't create a database |
| 12:13.34 | ColonelKernel | does ANYONE know how to FORCE 1024x768 to run @ 100hz? I put in a modeline, logged out of gnome, restarted X and its still going to 85hz @1024 |
| 12:13.39 | PerfDave | Zytox: Depends on the SATA disk. |
| 12:13.56 | liable | Zytox: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 12:14.01 | PerfDave | ColonelKernel: Does /var/log/XFree86.0.log have anything to say about your modeline? |
| 12:14.01 | Zytox | perf : do you know where I can find some information about ti |
| 12:14.03 | Zytox | ok Thanks |
| 12:14.14 | ColonelKernel | PerfDave, lemme see |
| 12:14.15 | PerfDave | Zytox: Nope, it's worked fine on the SATA disks I've used though. |
| 12:14.16 | Coke | yaboo: any Debian-specific issues are listed in /usr/share/doc/mysql/README.Debian or similar |
| 12:14.22 | yaboo | keeps giving me /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed and error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)' |
| 12:14.32 | technos | ColonelKernel: Remove the old 1K/.75K modeline so it has no choice but to? |
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| 12:14.36 | Coke | yaboo: that has to do with MySQL's authentication system, not Debian |
| 12:14.53 | Coke | yaboo: try #mysql |
| 12:14.58 | ColonelKernel | technos, where can I find that? |
| 12:15.02 | Slippy | Heyey |
| 12:15.18 | Coke | yaboo: in fact, I think they have that question in the FAQ because many, like you, don't care to read the manual. |
| 12:15.24 | Zytox | Perf : I got a machine here with sata but I can't get the default disk up. but it if shall workd with the default sarge install cd, I'll just have to work a bit on it here. |
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| 12:15.34 | technos | ColonelKernel: Just ensure that the modeline you want is the only one at that resolution in the xfree config file. |
| 12:16.12 | ColonelKernel | technos, it is |
| 12:16.32 | ColonelKernel | I think the nvidia module is putting other ones in there |
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| 12:17.15 | PerfDave | ColonelKernel: How did you install the nvidia module? |
| 12:17.57 | ColonelKernel | PerfDave, sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run |
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| 12:18.30 | ColonelKernel | PerfDave, didnt you say xrandr had something to do with this too? that module is loaded |
| 12:18.39 | PerfDave | ColonelKernel: /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
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| 12:18.58 | ColonelKernel | (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR |
| 12:19.34 | PerfDave | ColonelKernel: xrandr is the command-line application to change resolution and refresh, you could use it to script around running a game. |
| 12:19.44 | ColonelKernel | weak |
| 12:19.48 | ColonelKernel | ive done this before |
| 12:19.51 | ColonelKernel | fixed this |
| 12:19.57 | ColonelKernel | I cant remember how though ... |
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| 12:20.52 | ultraviolet11 | hi, i was wondering if anyone could help me burn a cd with cdrecord.. I can't seem to get it to work right.. |
| 12:20.59 | ultraviolet11 | I just need to burn one file |
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| 12:21.37 | mdeboer | ultraviolet1: there is an excellent howto. did you read it? |
| 12:21.46 | mdeboer | linux cd-writing howto i think |
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| 12:23.00 | ultraviolet11 | im reading a page now.. and reading the man I was trying to pipe from mkisofs but the device is giving me issues |
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| 12:23.53 | shingouz | ultraviolet11: can you give us a hint what the issues are |
| 12:24.08 | ultraviolet11 | im going to paste the command and the error now.. |
| 12:24.20 | shingouz | not here you won't |
| 12:24.40 | masoft | Does VNCServer need XServer ? |
| 12:24.46 | PerfDave | ultraviolet11: Just use k3b and it'll take care of it for you. |
| 12:24.48 | ultraviolet11 | it's small. it won't flood |
| 12:24.49 | shingouz | masoft: no |
| 12:25.23 | ultraviolet11 | mkisofs -R burn/ | cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0 - |
| 12:25.31 | thoron | Is there free Macromedia Flash Player replacement? |
| 12:25.47 | mdeboer | thoron: swf_play |
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| 12:26.05 | shingouz | ultraviolet11: check the dev on cdrecord. should be three numbers there |
| 12:26.19 | ultraviolet11 | Cannot open '/dev/pg0' |
| 12:26.24 | ultraviolet11 | that's the error |
| 12:26.35 | mdeboer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.58 | Zytox | Perf : linux26 kernel worked :P |
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| 12:27.21 | PerfDave | Zytox: Good :) |
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| 12:27.31 | ultraviolet11 | Cannot open '/dev/pg*' |
| 12:27.50 | ultraviolet11 | mdeboer: thats the error i get with scanbus |
| 12:28.04 | PerfDave | ultraviolet11: Are you using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 12:28.12 | mdeboer | ultraviolet11: is it an ide or scsi writer? if its ide, are you using scsi emulation? |
| 12:28.14 | shingouz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.24 | ultraviolet11 | it's ide |
| 12:28.36 | shingouz | and the kernel is? |
| 12:28.39 | ultraviolet11 | and I suppose scsi emulation is the only way to go |
| 12:28.43 | ultraviolet11 | 2.6 |
| 12:28.52 | mdeboer | ultraviolet11: make sure you use scsi emulation |
| 12:29.02 | petemc | ermm |
| 12:29.04 | PerfDave | If you're using 2.6, you don't need ide-scsi |
| 12:29.04 | petemc | no |
| 12:29.06 | mdeboer | ultraviolet11: it is explained in the cd writing howto |
| 12:29.09 | liable | um, I thought that wasnt needed for 2.6 |
| 12:29.12 | ultraviolet11 | ... with a friend's instruction i was able to burn an image not too long ago, just forgot the directives |
| 12:29.29 | PerfDave | ultraviolet11: Really, use k3b. It sets everything up for you. |
| 12:29.34 | mdeboer | i have very bad experience with ide cd burning instead of ide-scsi emulation |
| 12:29.40 | masoft | I started VNCServer by : vncserver -geometry 320x240 -depth 8, and it started correctly in my server. now when I start xvncviewer in my computer, it will say : xvncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused ! does VNCServer have any ACL or allow.host file ? or... ? |
| 12:29.53 | ultraviolet11 | PerfDave: I want to learn cdrecord. But for now I need the job done, so I guess i will use k3b |
| 12:30.17 | ultraviolet11 | i think i already lost my job anyways so what's the use |
| 12:30.17 | PerfDave | mdeboer: That's a shame, it works like a charm every time here. |
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| 12:30.50 | mdeboer | PerfDave: is that cd or dvd burning? |
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| 12:31.18 | PerfDave | mdeboer: CD burning, I don't have a DVD burner |
| 12:31.24 | mdeboer | PerfDave: i don't remember exactly what the problem was. i think with growisofs |
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| 12:31.31 | mdeboer | PerfDave: ah, that must be it. |
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| 12:31.52 | PerfDave | *shrug* I don't know of anyone who's had problems with IDE DVD burners either. |
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| 12:32.15 | benluo | hi all. is there a debian security chanel? |
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| 12:32.35 | mdeboer | PerfDave: because they all use scsi emulation! ;-) |
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| 12:32.52 | PerfDave | mdeboer: No. |
| 12:33.01 | PerfDave | benluo: I think they mostly use aftershave... |
| 12:33.11 | petemc | mdeboer: you're living in the past, man |
| 12:33.22 | benluo | channel |
| 12:33.24 | ultraviolet11 | PerfDave: k3b was a god send. thanks |
| 12:33.28 | benluo | PerfDave: channel |
| 12:33.32 | benluo | not chanel |
| 12:33.33 | mdeboer | petemc: newer change a winning team |
| 12:33.38 | mdeboer | never |
| 12:33.41 | benluo | my bad spell |
| 12:33.47 | petemc | mdeboer: polishing the brass on the titanic |
| 12:33.50 | PerfDave | benluo: I'm not aware of one. |
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| 12:34.15 | benluo | my debian server crash often |
| 12:34.24 | benluo | don't know how to track |
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| 12:34.45 | PerfDave | benluo: Why do you think that a Debian security channel would help you with stability issues? |
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| 12:34.57 | technos | Crashes a lot? Wouldn't happen to be sid, eh? |
| 12:35.03 | benluo | sorry. |
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| 12:35.08 | benluo | not crash |
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| 12:35.22 | benluo | it should mean refuse access |
| 12:35.42 | benluo | i can ping the server, but can not ssh or other service |
| 12:35.48 | benluo | don't know why |
| 12:36.06 | PerfDave | benluo: Please say what you mean, it makes it easier for us to help you. While you're at it, type "/msg dpkg enter" and "/msg dpkg smart questions" into your IRC client. |
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| 12:36.29 | benluo | PerfDave: sorry |
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| 12:38.18 | w_emfpilot | Hello all... I'm trying to install dvdrtools non-free... how do I go about this? Is it just a matter of updating the soucres.list? |
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| 12:39.00 | Eulex | w_emfpilot, it's called dvd+rw-tools |
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| 12:39.06 | mdeboer | about ide-cd vs ide-scsi: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0502.1/1469.html |
| 12:39.13 | jetx | there is also a dvdrwtools |
| 12:39.23 | jetx | or so |
| 12:39.32 | mdeboer | alan cox says: The base 2.6 ide-cd driver is |
| 12:39.32 | mdeboer | vastly inferior to ide-scsi. |
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| 12:39.51 | mdeboer | the message is a bit old, but i am not sure if this has changed |
| 12:39.51 | jetx | !find rwtools |
| 12:39.57 | w_emfpilot | Eulex: and others... so dvdrtools are the same as dvd+rw-tools? |
| 12:40.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rwtools' returned no results. |
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| 12:40.32 | Eulex | w_emfpilot, dvd+rw-tools are it -- there's no "dvdrtools" or "dvdrwtools" |
| 12:40.38 | Eulex | !find dvd+rw-tools |
| 12:40.40 | dpkg | dvd+rw-tools: (DVD+-RW/R tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.21.4.10.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 12:40.54 | w_emfpilot | right on, thanks.... |
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| 12:41.22 | ids | how would i go about disabling dhcp on boot, as i configured ifconfig for a static IP but after reboot it returned to dhcp's leased IP? |
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| 12:41.47 | Eulex | w_emfpilot, and it's in the main repo |
| 12:41.58 | Eulex | ids, read man interfaces |
| 12:42.03 | w_emfpilot | ok thank you |
| 12:42.10 | ids | ok thanks |
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| 12:43.05 | eguzkia | hello i have a problem to read DVD films |
| 12:43.21 | eguzkia | no plugin for /dvd |
| 12:43.27 | eguzkia | what can i do? |
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| 12:43.37 | nkuttler | eguzkia: what application? |
| 12:43.39 | ColonelKernel | I got it!!! |
| 12:43.41 | ColonelKernel | woohoo |
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| 12:43.57 | ColonelKernel | gotta change the name of the thing back to 1024x768 |
| 12:44.03 | ColonelKernel | without the _100 |
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| 12:44.11 | eguzkia | nkuttler:every application that i use to see dvd |
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| 12:44.39 | jetx | Filename: pool/non-free/d/dvdrtools/dvdrtools_0.1.5-4_i386.deb Filename: pool/main/d/dvd+rw-tools/dvd+rw-tools_5.21.4.10.8-1_i386.deb |
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| 12:44.57 | nkuttler | eguzkia: so every application gives you the exact same error? no plugin for /dvd? |
| 12:44.58 | jetx | the first says it's a program |
| 12:45.08 | PerfDave | w_emfpilot: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 12:45.17 | jetx | run xine-check |
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| 12:45.39 | jetx | make sur eyou have a /dev/dvd |
| 12:45.40 | eguzkia | hello |
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| 12:45.43 | w_emfpilot | PerfDave: ok thx |
| 12:45.44 | Eulex | jetx, oh, I haven't non-free and contrib in my sources.list :) |
| 12:45.46 | nion | hi |
| 12:45.49 | jetx | symlink one to your dvd writer |
| 12:45.53 | eguzkia | can someone help me? |
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| 12:46.52 | Ronin | eguzkia: scroll up nkuttler is trying to |
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| 12:47.10 | jetx | rune xine-check if you're having problems with dvd's |
| 12:47.15 | jetx | not as root |
| 12:47.21 | eguzkia | Ronin: i have close the windows before so i lost everythink |
| 12:47.30 | eguzkia | Ronin: :( |
| 12:48.21 | nkuttler | eguzkia: can you mount dvds? |
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| 12:49.29 | eguzkia | ok done great thanks to everybody |
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| 12:51.45 | aro | hi |
| 12:51.48 | joe_doe | hello |
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| 12:52.41 | aro | im looking for a shell command that permits me to delete space characters at the beginning of a string ( and only the beginning ) , ex : " aa bb"->"aa bb" |
| 12:52.42 | jetx | ~hi them |
| 12:52.42 | apt | Many greetings, them, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 12:52.55 | jetx | s/them/those guys/ |
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| 12:53.06 | nkuttler | aro: sed |
| 12:53.19 | joe_doe | I have a question also ^_^ |
| 12:53.47 | simonrvn | so ask it. unless you like keeping people in suspense |
| 12:53.47 | aro | nkuttler, any idea about the precise option, sed man is so huge |
| 12:53.58 | joe_doe | erm, I'm formulating it... |
| 12:54.04 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 12:54.16 | joe_doe | I have a preety muich custom built enviroment made from the debootstrap command |
| 12:54.19 | joe_doe | much* |
| 12:54.21 | nkuttler | aro: echo " foo" | sed -e 's/^ //' |
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| 12:54.26 | hellz | does debian support openpegasus |
| 12:54.35 | joe_doe | and I now changed from woody to sarge |
| 12:54.41 | joe_doe | and a strange thing is happening |
| 12:54.42 | simonrvn | wth is openpegasus? |
| 12:54.57 | PerfDave | aro,nkuttler: s/^\s+// shurely? |
| 12:55.18 | joe_doe | if the system does not have internet access it take about ~5 minutes to get ftom the dhcp setting to login |
| 12:55.21 | joe_doe | the logs are empty |
| 12:55.32 | joe_doe | I mean there are no log entries for that entire time |
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| 12:55.37 | hellz | simonrvn: yes i am asking about openpegasus |
| 12:55.38 | nkuttler | PerfDave: heh, we want him to rtfm, don't we? |
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| 12:55.48 | joe_doe | alos other applications seem to have the same problem (eg mc takes ages to start) |
| 12:55.57 | rossi | hi are the dvd9 images of debian sarge?`? |
| 12:56.00 | simonrvn | wth == one of them meanings is 'what the hell' |
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| 12:56.23 | joe_doe | so, anyone? |
| 12:56.25 | rossi | I mean are there dvd9 images ? |
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| 12:56.31 | drac | !dvd9 |
| 12:56.33 | drac | dvd9 ? |
| 12:56.46 | rossi | well dvd 8.5 gb |
| 12:56.53 | rossi | double layer |
| 12:57.04 | hellz | it's the implementation of DTMF standard? |
| 12:57.10 | nkuttler | PerfDave: btw, your line looks rather perlish |
| 12:58.01 | Eulex | rossi, why do you want one? double layer dvds are much more expensive than single layer ones, it's not worth it |
| 12:58.03 | seth | I tried building a kernel using make-kpkg. All I get is an error messge saying "I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined]". Any ideas? |
| 12:58.16 | PerfDave | I'm pretty sure that'll work in sed also. |
| 12:58.24 | joe_doe | it should :P |
| 12:58.31 | rossi | Eulex I have got one 2 for free |
| 12:58.34 | rossi | dvd 8.5 |
| 12:58.40 | PerfDave | rossi: You could make your own with a little jigdo-fu. jigdo is the only wany to download Sarge images anyway, for DVD. |
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| 12:59.55 | danysz | hi i have installed "geforce 6200" on my debian sarge but on resolution 1024x768 i have only 60 Hz vertical refresh rate, anyone know how to change "rr" to 85Hz ? |
| 13:00.09 | eps_ | london bombings 2, see local news |
| 13:00.36 | joe_doe | ? |
| 13:00.50 | PerfDave | eps_: #politics, not Debian related. |
| 13:00.55 | Eulex | danysz, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and tell it what your gfx card can do |
| 13:01.13 | danysz | Eulex, thanx i will try |
| 13:01.19 | PerfDave | danysz: Read /var/log/XFree86.0.log for information |
| 13:01.26 | jetx | danysz: apt-get install hwinfo && hwinfo --monitor && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, choose advasnced |
| 13:01.45 | jetx | not the v&h refresh rates given by the hwinfo --monitor command |
| 13:01.49 | jetx | note |
| 13:01.51 | simonrvn | joe_doe: well, sounds like it's not connecting properly. is your network interface there? if so, how do you have your users and groups set up? sounds like you're fetching NSS and other data via the network. are you sure everything is configured? both package management wise and the system |
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| 13:02.28 | eps_ | PerfDave was amsg, my mistake |
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| 13:04.07 | joe_doe | simonrvn: well, if it has access to the internet it works very fast, otherwise it halts there for 5 min. There are no users (except default). Please elaborate the package managment part? |
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| 13:04.55 | simonrvn | did debootstrap finish completely, including the base-config part, and any other packages that were needed by sarge |
| 13:05.01 | joe_doe | yes |
| 13:05.09 | joe_doe | I also added some custom packages on |
| 13:05.29 | Eulex | joe_doe, you mean the dhcp client stands there trying to connect to the server for 5 mins, before failing? just ^C then |
| 13:05.39 | joe_doe | nope |
| 13:05.40 | simonrvn | ok. well, if it's juts unix auth, i'm wondering why such things like user logins would get so slow |
| 13:05.43 | joe_doe | it's not the dhcp |
| 13:05.48 | joe_doe | there are 2 eth+s |
| 13:05.57 | joe_doe | 1st dhcp 2nd fixed |
| 13:06.23 | joe_doe | it takes about 50 seconds to fail the first one, then it says that second is either up or not connected |
| 13:06.31 | joe_doe | and it then waits a LONG time |
| 13:06.50 | simonrvn | sounds like the server isn't responding to DHCP requests |
| 13:07.09 | ColonelKernel | either that or he needs to disable ipv6 |
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| 13:07.20 | Wyzard | I've seen the sarge installer's dhclient fail to see responses that I know were coming from the DHCP server |
| 13:07.29 | joe_doe | don't mix things |
| 13:07.39 | joe_doe | everything works perfectly well, if the cable is connected |
| 13:07.40 | simonrvn | ColonelKernel: could be that too, if it's enabled |
| 13:08.43 | joe_doe | but, the catch is that at woody, the dhcp client took about 1 minute to get over the fact that there is no dhcp server, but sarge isn't exactly right |
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| 13:09.02 | joe_doe | erm, sarge is making a mess out of it* |
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| 13:09.46 | joe_doe | there is no ipv6 |
| 13:09.50 | joe_doe | kernel is custom built |
| 13:09.53 | joe_doe | very slim |
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| 13:10.15 | joe_doe | the odd thing here is the mc (midnight commander) |
| 13:10.20 | PerfDave | joe_doe: So you're running a customised Woody install, hand-upgraded to Sarge, with a custom kernel? I suspect you need to just start with a fresh Sarge install :) |
| 13:10.25 | joe_doe | which also takes ~4 minutes to start |
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| 13:10.48 | Kbyte | dpkg: composite |
| 13:10.52 | Kbyte | mmm |
| 13:10.57 | Kbyte | dpkg: xorg? |
| 13:10.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 13:10.57 | joe_doe | PerfDave: not quite, it's Sarge from zero with the old kernel |
| 13:11.02 | Kbyte | dpkg: composite? |
| 13:11.36 | PerfDave | joe_doe: I suggest you install a Debian kernel-image |
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| 13:12.10 | useruser | I've installed some truetype fonts in ~/.fonts and run fc-cache ~/.fonts. Now the bold-italic and italic variant |
| 13:12.15 | useruser | aargh, let's try again |
| 13:12.21 | joe_doe | it is a kernel image |
| 13:12.27 | Eulex | !wayc joe_doe |
| 13:12.28 | dpkg | joe_doe: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:12.38 | joe_doe | o.O |
| 13:12.42 | joe_doe | apt-get all the way |
| 13:12.49 | abrotman | !party |
| 13:12.50 | dpkg | well, party is Lego, and alcohol |
| 13:13.18 | useruser | i've installed some truetype fonts in ~/.fonts, but the bold-oblique version of the font is used instead of the oblique version (both ttf files are present, and they look right in gnome-font-viewer - the problem is that apps select the bold-oblique when i request the oblique). Any ideas? |
| 13:13.32 | joe_doe | if anyone wants to recreate the situation, I can give the scripts that make this distro |
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| 13:13.49 | abrotman | this distro? |
| 13:14.02 | abrotman | we should all be running debian here .. |
| 13:14.04 | daffy-pkf | ok, so now my lexmark printer is out, i bought a epson stylus c46, it works fine, excepted that the colors are lighter than they should be, can someone help me? |
| 13:14.07 | joe_doe | it's out of context |
| 13:14.11 | PerfDave | joe_doe: So you're running a fresh install of Sarge, with a Sarge kernel-image? |
| 13:14.14 | joe_doe | it's my own customization |
| 13:14.15 | simonrvn | he customised a debian install |
| 13:14.20 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: run it through twice! |
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| 13:14.25 | joe_doe | PerfDave: no it's 2.4.18 kernel |
| 13:14.29 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> lol |
| 13:14.30 | simonrvn | eek |
| 13:14.30 | abrotman | ew why? |
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| 13:14.52 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> don't you have a better solution? |
| 13:14.54 | jetx | why not? |
| 13:14.59 | PerfDave | Oh, I give up, joe_doe keeps changing his story. |
| 13:15.05 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: check at linux-printing.org :) |
| 13:15.08 | joe_doe | simonrvn: I can tell you a secret |
| 13:15.09 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 13:15.18 | joe_doe | heard of EPICS? |
| 13:15.19 | Eulex | joe_doe, why not the stock 2.4.27 kernel, or even better the 2.6.8 one? |
| 13:15.19 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> i did, bout can't find anything |
| 13:15.35 | useruser | hm, no-one seems to know anything about fonts here :( |
| 13:15.37 | useruser | tis a shame |
| 13:15.45 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: sorry .. i don't own a printer .. kills trees you know(and supports saudi princes with little plastic pieces everywhere) |
| 13:15.52 | joe_doe | Eulex: this is exactly what I am doing |
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| 13:16.07 | joe_doe | but I am assigned to upgrade from woody/2.4 to Sarge/2.4 |
| 13:16.20 | joe_doe | and some other guy is supposed to do Sarge/2.4 to Sarge/2.6 |
| 13:16.23 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> i agree :) but i need to print CV and such... i need work ;) |
| 13:16.24 | abrotman | what does epics hve to do with 2.4.18? |
| 13:16.25 | porky | http://tinyurl.com/7r6tn zomg |
| 13:16.26 | porky | lol |
| 13:16.33 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: kinkos! |
| 13:16.43 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> kinkos? |
| 13:16.50 | abrotman | porky: wrong channel |
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| 13:16.52 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: .us? |
| 13:16.58 | porky | what channel? |
| 13:17.05 | porky | http://tinyurl.com/7r6tn zomg |
| 13:17.05 | abrotman | <porky> http://tinyurl.com/7r6tn zomg |
| 13:17.05 | abrotman | <porky> lol |
| 13:17.05 | porky | http://tinyurl.com/7r6tn zomg |
| 13:17.05 | joe_doe | abrotman: half of the world's epicses run on 2.4.18 |
| 13:17.06 | porky | http://tinyurl.com/7r6tn zomg |
| 13:17.07 | joe_doe | o.O |
| 13:17.07 | porky | meh |
| 13:17.14 | abrotman | porky: wrong channel |
| 13:17.15 | Eulex | someone +q him |
| 13:17.16 | useruser | abrotman: even to a .uker, looks suspsicously like KinkOS |
| 13:17.22 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> don't understand what you want to say... maybe an english joke... i'm french sorry |
| 13:17.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:17.31 | simonrvn | @ops porky is a channel spmmer with his fricking tinyurl crap |
| 13:17.32 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: porky is a channel spmmer with his fricking tinyurl crap |
| 13:17.38 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: ah .. Kinko's is a duplication company |
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| 13:17.52 | joe_doe | awww |
| 13:17.54 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 13:17.54 | abrotman | yay |
| 13:17.58 | joe_doe | ^_^ |
| 13:18.03 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> ho... |
| 13:18.30 | joe_doe | ^_^ |
| 13:19.05 | simonrvn | the server sends a TCP RST i think, and it means immediate disconnection, and there's an auto refusal of connection set in a conf file somewhere |
| 13:19.05 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: other than linux-printing.org .. all i can say is google .. afaik .. there's no linux printing support channel(even though there should be) |
| 13:19.20 | masoft | I get these errors when want to start VNCServer. failed to set default font path '' , could not open default font 'fixed' . what can I do ? |
| 13:19.43 | Shadur | Give it a font path |
| 13:19.55 | simonrvn | masoft: apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 13:19.57 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> yes i'm on google at the moment, but if someone knows the thing it would be faster |
| 13:20.12 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: i know google has lots of stuff! :) |
| 13:20.24 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: i'm being less than helpful .. i'll stop now :) |
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| 13:21.34 | Shadur | Hmm. Can vncserver be made to work with gdm rather than a user-level X session? |
| 13:21.34 | luminerd | 'lo |
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| 13:21.42 | luminerd | debian use rpms? |
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| 13:21.58 | joe_doe | nope |
| 13:22.00 | joe_doe | debs |
| 13:22.05 | balony- | Is it fine to install i386 on a dell poweredge 2850? |
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| 13:22.59 | simonrvn | i386 what? |
| 13:22.59 | BR_ | Dell Power Sledge! |
| 13:23.28 | BR_ | with Turbo Toboggan Technology! |
| 13:23.34 | abrotman | balony-: what else woudl you install? |
| 13:23.47 | simonrvn | sparc64? ;p |
| 13:23.54 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | in emulation .. that'd be great! |
| 13:24.02 | simonrvn | no, i'm *kidding* |
| 13:24.02 | mdew | i'm trying to boot kernel 2.6 (via grub), when booting 2.6, it sees my drive on /dev/hdf, however on 2.4, its /dev/hdb, what exactly is happening? |
| 13:24.06 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 13:24.48 | abrotman | !tell aragorn_root about root |
| 13:25.00 | fatal__ | balony-: seems you can choose eigther i386 or amd64 for that computer.... amd64 support isn't officially supported by debian yet so you might want to use i386.... |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | who wants to guess why my uploads go .. poof |
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| 13:26.00 | PerfDave | Dell are using amd processors now? |
| 13:26.14 | joe_doe | How low can they go, eh? |
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| 13:26.19 | fatal__ | PerfDave: intel "em64t" is amd64... |
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| 13:26.31 | PerfDave | Or is this that half-assed Intel amd64-wannabe thing? |
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| 13:27.03 | Condector | hi people |
| 13:27.20 | balony- | fatal__: if I wanted to install amd64 then I could not use the bootimage from http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers, what would you suggest using as bootimage for that? |
| 13:28.07 | fatal__ | balony-: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00005.html |
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| 13:28.21 | luminerd | joe_doe, debs? |
| 13:28.38 | joe_doe | debian packages |
| 13:28.45 | sml | Well another fucking bomb in london?! |
| 13:28.52 | sml | PerfDave: you heard the news ? |
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| 13:29.09 | joe_doe | luminerd: they are aquired through apt-get |
| 13:29.15 | fatal__ | balony-: you can also try #debian-amd64 for amd64-questions.... |
| 13:29.16 | bassembg | hi room |
| 13:29.21 | joe_doe | hi2u |
| 13:29.28 | luminerd | joe_doe, oh ok got it :) thanks |
| 13:29.31 | w_emfpilot | Hello... Yet another question :) I'm using xcdroast to try and burn dvd-dl the app tells me I need to install Prodvd but gives no info regarding that app, I don't see any debian pkg's with that name.. any ideas? |
| 13:30.01 | joe_doe | Let's see what happens |
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| 13:30.06 | simonrvn | sml: sounds more like some detonator caps... |
| 13:30.07 | joe_doe | both eths are now static |
| 13:30.08 | joe_doe | o.O |
| 13:30.12 | PerfDave | sml: Fuck off! I've already /parted six IRC channels because of people being stupid about it. Take it to #politics |
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| 13:31.42 | joe_doe | to reply to the solutions you offered before |
| 13:31.48 | joe_doe | it is not the dhcp client |
| 13:32.13 | sml | PerfDave: Well what I read was on a local newsgroup where a stagecoach driver told a reporters that there was a nailbomb on a bus. On the BBC news website its a bit vague. |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | sml: stop |
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| 13:33.04 | PerfDave | sml: No, really. Shut up about it. |
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| 13:33.33 | sml | PerfDave: Well you dont want me to talk. Ban me. |
| 13:33.44 | Wanderer | what is the current name mapping for stable/testing/unstable? |
| 13:33.45 | abrotman | sml: no .. STOP .. it's completely offtopic here |
| 13:33.47 | Wanderer | I cna never remember them |
| 13:33.52 | abrotman | !release |
| 13:33.52 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 13:33.55 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:33.59 | abrotman | Wanderer: sarge/etch/sid |
| 13:34.04 | Ronin | Wanderer: sarge/e never mind |
| 13:34.04 | abrotman | Wanderer: stable/testing/unstable |
| 13:34.11 | Wanderer | thank you |
| 13:34.24 | abrotman | i thought there was some factoid for that |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | !releases |
| 13:34.25 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 13:34.26 | PerfDave | Wanderer: /msg dpkg releases |
| 13:34.27 | abrotman | yay |
| 13:34.28 | abrotman | kind of |
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| 13:34.41 | Zta | I'm trying to get a PPP connection established between to Linux boxes using a serial null-modem. I'm doing as explained in http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/direct.html but by client pppd refuse to try to connect: pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
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| 13:35.10 | Zta | I'm really noy interested in login and passwords; I just want a simple, direct pppd connection though a serial cable. |
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| 13:35.20 | w_emfpilot | any Idea's on the Prodvd pkg xcdroast is advising me to install? |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | w_emfpilot: i dn't think that's in debian .. is it ? |
| 13:35.51 | abrotman | the prodvd i mean |
| 13:36.12 | knt | what could be the depends of CONFIG_DEVFS_FS in kernel configuration. i couldn't see it in the Pseudo filesystems list of menuconfig. |
| 13:36.47 | abrotman | knt: broken stuff |
| 13:36.55 | w_emfpilot | abrotman: well after installling the deb pkg xcdroast tells me I need to install prodvd to burn dvd-rw etc.. |
| 13:37.01 | abrotman | knt: i mean .. hit the "This stuff is broken but I want to use it anyways" |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | option |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | knt: and then ask #kernel |
| 13:37.22 | abrotman | w_emfpilot: not that i'm aware .. but i don't own a dvdrw |
| 13:37.28 | abrotman | !dvdrw |
| 13:37.53 | abrotman | !dvd record |
| 13:37.56 | abrotman | !dvdrecord |
| 13:37.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, dvdrecord is For real support, use growisofs from dvd+rw-tools,cdrecord(-ProDVD) |
| 13:37.59 | abrotman | w_emfpilot: ^^ |
| 13:38.03 | knt | abrotman, how can i hit the "This stuff is broken but I want to use it anyways"? |
| 13:38.23 | knt | abrotman, should i add it in config.h manually? |
| 13:38.28 | w_emfpilot | abrotman: thank you |
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| 13:38.40 | abrotman | knt: it's an option in one of the menus .. and it's been a while .. i think it's one of the first couple .. like .. Incomplete/Broken Drivers or something .. really .. ask #kernel . they shuld know right where it's at |
| 13:38.41 | joe_doe | grrrrr |
| 13:38.45 | joe_doe | it's still not working |
| 13:38.52 | djw | how annoying, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't create /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for me |
| 13:38.53 | Guerin | knt: if you don't know how, you oughtn't |
| 13:39.01 | abrotman | !tell djw about x md5 |
| 13:39.07 | djw | abrotman: done that |
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| 13:39.13 | abrotman | djw: then it should |
| 13:39.18 | PerfDave | djw: Create? You don't have one? |
| 13:39.28 | jetx | prompt for drivers not expected to compile cleanly or so... yes it's near the top |
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| 13:39.48 | knt | abrotman, #kernel seems like dead. |
| 13:39.53 | Wanderer | hmm |
| 13:39.54 | djw | PerfDave: create one which works |
| 13:39.58 | abrotman | ##kernel .. #kernelnewbies ... whatever it is |
| 13:39.59 | jetx | you must wait for #kernel |
| 13:40.08 | djw | abrotman: indeed should, but it isn't :( |
| 13:40.08 | jetx | there is also a #kernelnewbies |
| 13:40.09 | Wanderer | none of the non-us sites have etch/testing or sid/unstable it seems |
| 13:40.10 | PerfDave | djw: Do you have an existing file? |
| 13:40.17 | abrotman | Wanderer: /topic |
| 13:40.17 | djw | PerfDave: yes |
| 13:40.28 | rss | Hi! there was a tool which created debs out of source codes... it aided in package management. Which is that? I forgot. |
| 13:40.42 | abrotman | rss: /msg dpkg nm ... /msg dpkg mg |
| 13:40.44 | jetx | apt-build maybe |
| 13:41.00 | abrotman | i think he means like .. dh_make or some crap .. but it's better to read the packaging stuff |
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| 13:41.24 | Wanderer | abrotman: oh nice |
| 13:41.33 | Wanderer | abrotman: has it been merged or dropped all together? |
| 13:41.36 | PerfDave | djw: And you followed the instructions in the factoid exactly, and now the md5sums match? |
| 13:41.45 | Wanderer | I haven't had time to keep up with all the latest news recently |
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| 13:42.56 | djw | PerfDave: yes, diff says they are identical |
| 13:43.06 | jetx | cut&paste line 17 or so of xf86config-4 ... not here, in a console.. or dont |
| 13:43.16 | keir | when booting up my new kernel (2.6.11) i get this : VFS: Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block(0,0) , what am i doing wrong? |
| 13:43.22 | jetx | !initrd |
| 13:43.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 13:43.26 | jetx | that |
| 13:43.56 | keir | :S |
| 13:43.58 | joe_doe | jetx |
| 13:44.03 | joe_doe | what am I doing wrong ? |
| 13:44.12 | jetx | what are you doing |
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| 13:44.28 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 13:44.28 | joe_doe | the kernel halts for about 5 minutes just before the login |
| 13:44.36 | keir | but i have a line in my bootloader for the initrd.... |
| 13:44.47 | ^rob^ | anyone know where to find industrial theme for kde? |
| 13:44.50 | joe_doe | but only if there is no internet connecton |
| 13:44.58 | joe_doe | if there is inet it's instant |
| 13:45.10 | nkuttler | keir: what's the last line before it hangs? |
| 13:45.16 | jetx | joe_doe: i get that from exim4 |
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| 13:45.26 | nkuttler | joe_doe:: what's the last line before it hangs? |
| 13:45.35 | PerfDave | djw: Do you get any errors when using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 13:45.43 | keir | nkuttler, cant remember exactly, its a kernel panic, something about not being able to mount root device |
| 13:45.45 | jetx | if exim4 doesn't have a net connect it likes to do that, keep trying |
| 13:45.56 | nkuttler | keir: sorry, wasn't meant for you |
| 13:45.57 | joe_doe | eth1: Setting half-duplex based on auto negotiation partner ability 0000 |
| 13:46.06 | keir | np |
| 13:46.10 | jetx | it likes to keep trying i mean |
| 13:46.11 | djw | PerfDave: nope, I'm currently looking at bugs on the package now |
| 13:46.15 | joe_doe | hummm |
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| 13:46.40 | jetx | try disabling exim4 on startup and see if the behavior persists |
| 13:46.52 | PerfDave | jetx, joe_doe: If it's exim4 pausing, it's not the kernel. And you can reconfigure exim not to do that - "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
| 13:47.06 | petemc | joe_doe: install ifplugd |
| 13:47.18 | joe_doe | I'm on it |
| 13:47.22 | jetx | !info ifplugd |
| 13:47.25 | dpkg | ifplugd: (A configuration daemon for ethernet devices), section net, is optional. Version: 0.26-2 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
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| 13:47.54 | jetx | before you fix stuff, find out what you need to fix eh |
| 13:48.10 | joe_doe | I'm checking exim4 now |
| 13:48.20 | jetx | or you could be like me and just fix stuff and pray :) |
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| 13:48.26 | joe_doe | ^^ |
| 13:48.30 | petemc | ifplugd stops those annoying pauses as exim tries to do network stuff |
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| 13:49.15 | joe_doe | oh |
| 13:49.31 | jetx | pee que |
| 13:49.31 | joe_doe | I forgot to mention that some other programs show the same symptoms |
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| 13:49.39 | abrotman | jetx: line at the bathroom ? |
| 13:49.48 | jetx | lol |
| 13:50.00 | jetx | ok it was a snigger not a lol but ok |
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| 13:50.27 | Phated | "but ok lol"? |
| 13:50.28 | petemc | joe_doe: i think its to do with having an interface set to come up automatically on boot, but not having a working network |
| 13:50.31 | qwertz_ | Hi! Does anybody know what happens with the graph mrtg shows when it couldn't reach the target for a while (cause it was down or something)? When I read the man page correctly is uses current packet count - previous packet count and this should result in a high peak |
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| 13:50.53 | shift-u | Hi everyone! |
| 13:50.59 | jetx | well it was at least an ol |
| 13:51.04 | shift-u | I have a little trouble |
| 13:51.36 | joe_doe | it seems it really is exim |
| 13:51.41 | jetx | !tell shift-u about ask |
| 13:51.51 | joe_doe | I'm doing a reconfigure now |
| 13:51.56 | petemc | ... |
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| 13:52.06 | jetx | damn i'm good, in my own tiny way |
| 13:52.18 | abrotman | jetx: that's what all the women say! |
| 13:52.23 | joe_doe | let's see now |
| 13:52.31 | jetx | dont tell my wife :/ |
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| 13:53.02 | abrotman | !bless joe_doe |
| 13:53.03 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child joe_doe, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 13:53.27 | shift-u | I coudn't find the convertor for WAV (PCM) format to SPEEX |
| 13:53.38 | shift-u | jetx, XD |
| 13:53.54 | jetx | o_o |
| 13:54.00 | joe_doe | arf |
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| 13:54.05 | joe_doe | it didn't work |
| 13:54.13 | joe_doe | I told exim to have no configuration |
| 13:54.23 | joe_doe | it still waits like a dodo there |
| 13:54.42 | PerfDave | shift-u: I'll give you *one* guess as to what the package containing speex stuff is. |
| 13:54.50 | sylvio | Jul 21 10:54:19 sylvio pam_winbind[2544]: request failed: No such user, PAM error was 10, NT error was NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER |
| 13:54.50 | sylvio | Jul 21 10:54:19 sylvio login[2544]: (pam_unix) check pass; user unknown |
| 13:54.50 | sylvio | Jul 21 10:54:23 sylvio login[2544]: FAILED LOGIN (2) on `tty2' FOR `UNKNOWN', Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 13:54.55 | petemc | i love being ignored |
| 13:54.56 | jetx | now, chmod /etc/init.d/exim4 -x and see if it works (don't forget to put it back +x) |
| 13:55.01 | sylvio | help-me |
| 13:55.18 | PerfDave | sylvio: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 13:55.20 | shift-u | PerfDave, thanks but that package doesn't support PCM format |
| 13:55.22 | joe_doe | petemc: who is ignoring? |
| 13:55.24 | petemc | jetx: thats an... unorthodox way of doing things |
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| 13:55.35 | joe_doe | jetx: but that will spill out errors :O |
| 13:55.35 | petemc | jetx: why not do things The Right Way? |
| 13:55.49 | PerfDave | shift-u: So convert your PCM into something it does support. |
| 13:55.54 | jetx | tell him the right way, i don't know it |
| 13:55.55 | joe_doe | petemc: give me the right way |
| 13:55.55 | joe_doe | ^^ |
| 13:56.06 | petemc | joe_doe: did you install ifplugd? |
| 13:56.07 | jetx | i told the fast and dirty but functional way |
| 13:56.08 | sylvio | PerfDave: what? do you have authentication in server AD? |
| 13:56.11 | joe_doe | not yet |
| 13:56.16 | shift-u | PerfDave, Ok... do you have anyone in mind? |
| 13:56.17 | joe_doe | I'm waiting to get to login |
| 13:56.22 | petemc | then you're ignoring me |
| 13:56.30 | PerfDave | !tell sylvio -about smart questions |
| 13:56.30 | petemc | anything else you say here is redundant |
| 13:56.32 | joe_doe | well, I tried to reconfigure it first :P |
| 13:56.36 | shift-u | XD |
| 13:56.38 | jetx | no, i saw the ifplugd |
| 13:56.55 | joe_doe | I saw it also |
| 13:56.55 | petemc | jetx: are you the same person as joe_doe ? |
| 13:57.00 | PerfDave | shift-u: Have you looked at sox? It's a good utility for converting between audio formats. |
| 13:57.13 | jetx | and i was gonna say, reconfigureing exim4 doesn't 'seem' to work anymore |
| 13:57.18 | shift-u | !tell shift-u -about convination of the safe of his boss |
| 13:57.19 | shift-u | XD |
| 13:57.31 | joe_doe | yeah |
| 13:57.31 | jetx | comBination |
| 13:57.40 | shift-u | soooory |
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| 13:57.42 | shift-u | :-\ |
| 13:57.48 | jetx | your boss isn't :p |
| 13:57.50 | ma3x | obviously linux has problems writing to fat partitions too |
| 13:57.57 | petemc | ma3x: no it doesnt |
| 13:57.58 | jetx | no it doesn't |
| 13:58.00 | ^johns^ | ma3x: no it doesnt |
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| 13:58.04 | ^johns^ | haha |
| 13:58.05 | jetx | !rw-vfat |
| 13:58.06 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 13:58.26 | ma3x | okay listen: that's what i did. i had it mounted for 1 day |
| 13:58.31 | joe_doe | to elaborate why reconfig was easier |
| 13:58.37 | ma3x | and then write failiure |
| 13:58.39 | ^johns^ | defaults,umask=0 works also |
| 13:58.39 | jetx | ok who fucked my factoid |
| 13:58.42 | joe_doe | apt-get is cut down to 0 (means no lists, etc...) |
| 13:58.47 | jetx | !factinfo rw-ntfs |
| 13:58.48 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as rw-ntfs, jetx |
| 13:58.48 | shift-u | PerfDave, Ok... i'm looking for it... thanks |
| 13:58.48 | ma3x | and it said the disk is only read system |
| 13:58.50 | PerfDave | ma3x: Then you have a hard disk fuckup. |
| 13:58.50 | joe_doe | so that I can get it to fit on a 128MB CF card |
| 13:58.52 | sylvio | somebody with authentication in AD |
| 13:58.53 | sylvio | ? |
| 13:58.53 | jetx | !factinfo rw-vfat |
| 13:58.54 | dpkg | rw-vfat -- last modified at Wed May 18 03:23:27 2005 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 6 times, last by jetx, 48s ago. |
| 13:58.58 | jetx | tsk |
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| 13:59.10 | jetx | ma3x: man mount, search for fmask and dmask |
| 13:59.10 | PerfDave | sylvio: Did you read the message that dpkg sent to you? |
| 13:59.11 | petemc | dpkg: rw-vfat =~ s/This also applies to NTFS// |
| 13:59.12 | dpkg | petemc: that doesn't contain 'This also applies to NTFS' |
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| 13:59.24 | petemc | dpkg: rw-vfat =~ s#This also applies to NTFS## |
| 13:59.24 | dpkg | petemc: that doesn't contain 'This also applies to NTFS' |
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| 13:59.38 | petemc | balls |
| 13:59.44 | jetx | esc the spaces? (yuck) |
| 13:59.51 | petemc | cba |
| 13:59.52 | umbop | hey guys where can i get a realplayer equivalent for, for browser streaming video? |
| 13:59.53 | ma3x | jetx : there's no fmask or dmask in man mount |
| 13:59.57 | sylvio | !tell -about |
| 13:59.58 | jetx | yes there is |
| 14:00.10 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.13 | jetx | maybe a different section |
| 14:00.13 | ma3x | gives me nothing |
| 14:00.24 | jetx | lemme check but it IS there |
| 14:00.33 | PerfDave | umbop: There is a non-Free realplayer for Linux, which is the best way to play RealVideo. Personally, I'd just avoid it. |
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| 14:00.51 | umbop | hmm a non-free one :( |
| 14:00.52 | sylvio | !tell dpkg active directory |
| 14:01.02 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.06 | mwilson | Isn't Helix in main? |
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| 14:01.18 | abrotman | umbop: helixplayer |
| 14:01.19 | ma3x | jetx: so defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0 is not enough? |
| 14:01.24 | PerfDave | mwilson: Helix doesn't contain the RealVideo codecs. |
| 14:01.27 | abrotman | !Info helix-player |
| 14:01.30 | dpkg | helix-player: has nothing about Info |
| 14:01.36 | abrotman | !Info helixplayer |
| 14:01.40 | PerfDave | umbop: RealVideo is a propriatery format, you can't play it in anything Free. |
| 14:01.41 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | !helix-player |
| 14:01.47 | dpkg | somebody said helix player was the Helix Community's GTK2-based open source media player, in Sid and Sarge. apt-get install helix-player or https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
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| 14:02.02 | umbop | ok so that doesn't play ram or rm files? |
| 14:02.02 | helix | oh come on guys |
| 14:02.05 | helix | stop already |
| 14:02.15 | jetx | ma3x: i can show you what works here: /dev/hda1 /zdos vfat defaults,rw,uid=1000,gid=24,owner 0 0 |
| 14:02.16 | abrotman | !helix-player is also Helix will not play Real Codecs, for that you'd need the linux version of Real Player |
| 14:02.16 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 14:02.26 | mwilson | Doesn't it? t's not like I've tried it. |
| 14:02.45 | abrotman | mwilson: the free community will not play those codecs .. and even the Real version has trouble with some .. |
| 14:02.47 | amaldo | mm, that explains a couple of things. |
| 14:03.03 | jetx | fmask and dmask allow you to fine tune the file and directory perms |
| 14:03.08 | petemc | mplayer does real stuff, with the right codecs |
| 14:03.09 | umbop | oh bummer |
| 14:03.15 | abrotman | petemc: right it does |
| 14:03.29 | abrotman | umbop: petemc is right .. either get the real player .. or the codecs from marillat |
| 14:03.33 | joe_doe | petemc: do you know of the box what parameters are needed for ifplugd to stop exim4? |
| 14:03.40 | petemc | joe_doe: it should just work |
| 14:03.40 | vorsprung | petemc, yes. I've used mplayer to convert realaudio streams to mp3 on linux |
| 14:03.44 | umbop | marillat ? |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | !tell umbop about marillat |
| 14:03.58 | petemc | joe_doe: as in, installing it should be enough |
| 14:04.00 | ma3x | jetx : it's the same here, except that i have it in the gid29 |
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| 14:04.10 | ma3x | so i've been playing a lot with my audio today. |
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| 14:04.14 | jetx | i chown my mount points |
| 14:04.15 | joe_doe | erm, installation offers a shitload of parametrs |
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| 14:04.24 | ma3x | could that have resulted in the readonly filesystem? |
| 14:04.24 | PerfDave | mwilson: So as usual you're talking shit about something you know nothing about. Well done. |
| 14:04.29 | umbop | thanks |
| 14:04.44 | joe_doe | I just went with default |
| 14:04.47 | joe_doe | see what happens |
| 14:05.12 | jetx | there is a setting in eximconfig that supposedly keeps it from timing out on boot looking for a net connection, i've seen it |
| 14:05.20 | jetx | or read about it |
| 14:05.23 | Peterken | Hello, we dist-upgrade'd to Debian Sarge, but since then we only have 10Mbit network speed instead of 100 Mbit, is that something Sarge responsable for or do i have to search in another direction? |
| 14:05.25 | petemc | jetx: you have? |
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| 14:05.36 | joe_doe | there is a holy grail! I've seen it ;) |
| 14:05.39 | joe_doe | j/k |
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| 14:05.58 | jetx | yeah, it specifically mentioned the hang/timeout |
| 14:06.02 | PerfDave | Peterken: It shouldn't have made any difference. It's just possible that a change of kernel has caused a problem - did you change kernel when upgrading? |
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| 14:06.04 | jetx | on_boot |
| 14:06.19 | Peterken | we did not change our kernel PerfDave |
| 14:06.50 | PerfDave | Peterken: Hmm, then it should not have made any difference. You can use mii-tool to examine the negociation between your network card and switch, which may help you diagnose your problem. |
| 14:06.53 | jetx | so like i said, just to TEST, -x exim4 |
| 14:07.13 | jetx | find out for sure before trying everything |
| 14:07.16 | petemc | jetx: it would be better if you stopped advising people to do things like that |
| 14:07.42 | joe_doe | ^^ |
| 14:07.50 | Peterken | ok tnx PerfDave |
| 14:07.53 | joe_doe | ifplugd gave no result |
| 14:07.57 | Zta | Any ppp-over-null-modem-experts here? I need help. My client won't connect. |
| 14:08.07 | jetx | ok then: DIAGNOSE THE PROBLEM PROPERLY FIRST. (and so what's wrong with booting up once with exim4 disabled btw) |
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| 14:08.20 | cbr | hi. WTF is cdrecord.mmap? |
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| 14:08.43 | joe_doe | jetx: will do |
| 14:08.44 | petemc | joe_doe: it still pauses? do you have a functioning network on that machine? do you need to run the exim daemon? |
| 14:08.52 | abrotman | !tell Kn0pixx about knoppix |
| 14:08.54 | ma3x | is it better having external drive via USB or FireWire connected? |
| 14:09.04 | petemc | joe_doe: if you want to stop exim from starting, use update-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
| 14:09.15 | Kn0pixx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.23 | jetx | why |
| 14:09.24 | joe_doe | petemc: it's for an out-of-the-box system, so it has to be ready for everything (network, no net, etc...) |
| 14:09.35 | jetx | seriously, why. |
| 14:09.39 | jetx | no troll. |
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| 14:09.42 | petemc | jetx: because thats what it was designed for |
| 14:09.44 | benkong2 | hello all is this correct to make this cron run on the 14 and 30 of each month? **14/30**sudo sh /root/dyndns_update.sh |
| 14:09.46 | joe_doe | ^^ |
| 14:09.51 | jetx | but what does it matter? |
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| 14:10.03 | jetx | no troll, i'm really asking. |
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| 14:10.52 | petemc | jetx: no sane person messes with permissions to stop things from starting on boot, debian linux is sys-v, so you use standard sys-v practises |
| 14:11.38 | Peterken | PerfDave: mii-tool says 16:10:32 eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 14:11.44 | Peterken | that should be ok? |
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| 14:11.56 | abrotman | Knoppixx: don't /msg me |
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| 14:12.02 | jetx | dude, i love you like a brother (just dont ask which brother) but that doesn't tell me why, what is the reasoning. |
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| 14:12.29 | petemc | joe_doe: my laptop has an intermittent net connection, i experienced the same issues with exim4, ifplugd solved it |
| 14:12.47 | joe_doe | :\ |
| 14:12.51 | petemc | jetx: i have no intention of saying anything more to you on the matter |
| 14:12.56 | jetx | ok |
| 14:13.30 | feross | hey newb here.. in aptitude I need to install perl php gcc but there are like 20 when I search for those.. which is it? |
| 14:13.35 | PerfDave | Peterken: Then your link is negociated at 100 mbps full duplex :) |
| 14:13.53 | Peterken | idd PerfDave |
| 14:13.53 | PerfDave | feross: Read the package descriptions? |
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| 14:14.14 | PerfDave | Peterken: This means the problem is not with your Debian box :) |
| 14:14.28 | joe_doe | petemc: it's not exim4 obviously |
| 14:14.30 | Peterken | ic PerfDave, ok then we are going to contact our provider |
| 14:14.31 | petemc | feross: perl should be part of the base debian install, use the build-essential meta package for gcc etc |
| 14:14.32 | nkuttler | joe_doe: rcconf, disable all daemons, problem still there? |
| 14:14.52 | petemc | joe_doe: can you watch the boot messages? |
| 14:15.13 | joe_doe | not set currently |
| 14:15.22 | joe_doe | but I belive it can be enabled in sarge, right? |
| 14:15.33 | petemc | joe_doe: eh? |
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| 14:15.42 | joe_doe | nvm |
| 14:15.48 | petemc | joe_doe: do you have a monitor plugged into the machine? |
| 14:15.49 | jetx | he means enable boot logging |
| 14:15.49 | joe_doe | I see the whole boot procedure |
| 14:16.07 | petemc | joe_doe: so you should see where the delays are |
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| 14:16.19 | davis | hello |
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| 14:16.29 | davis | i am trying to run psim which supposedly is included with gdb. |
| 14:16.35 | joe_doe | the last thing that it outputs are the eth0 and eth1 lines |
| 14:16.42 | davis | the debian gdb does not seem to come with psim enabled. |
| 14:17.00 | davis | is there a way to see which options are enabled in the debian version of gdb? |
| 14:17.14 | joe_doe | eth1: Setting half-duplex based on auto-negotiated partner ability 0000 |
| 14:17.17 | ma3x | how do i set xmms default mp3 player? |
| 14:17.19 | nkuttler | joe_doe: show /etc/network/interfaces in #flood |
| 14:17.32 | joe_doe | moment |
| 14:18.00 | petemc | joe_doe: http://www.rajeevnet.com/linux/bootprofile/ |
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| 14:18.06 | petemc | probably overkill |
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| 14:19.34 | joe_doe | nkuttler: it's on #flood |
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| 14:20.34 | bopbop | Hey, i'm having trouble buildling the mplayer package, i've used dpkg -b $PWD and it says parse error in file /home/user/MPlayer/DEBIAN/control near line 7 missing package name |
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| 14:21.17 | drac | bopbop: "fakeroot debian/rules binary" |
| 14:21.30 | drac | ..build mplayer just fine. |
| 14:21.35 | drac | s/build/builds/ |
| 14:21.51 | nkuttler | joe_doe: ok, then use rcconf and disable the daemons |
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| 14:22.43 | bopbop | hmm i get dh_testdir command not found |
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| 14:23.15 | drac | bopbop: dpkg-dev installed.. |
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| 14:23.50 | PerfDave | bopbop: Why are you compiling mplayer? |
| 14:23.58 | af_ | where could I find apxs for apache2 in sarge? |
| 14:24.12 | af_ | I can't compile a module for apache2 |
| 14:24.17 | bopbop | because i've never done it before |
| 14:24.19 | joe_doe | erm, how large is rcconf? |
| 14:24.25 | asg | af_: apt-file search apxs2 |
| 14:24.25 | bopbop | and saw that there's ht econtorl files setup etc so i thought i would |
| 14:24.33 | af_ | thanks asg |
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| 14:24.42 | nkuttler | joe_doe: apt-cache show package, small |
| 14:24.44 | joe_doe | apt-cache says 17540 |
| 14:24.59 | joe_doe | yes, but is this bytes or kb |
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| 14:25.30 | nkuttler | joe_doe: it's a perl script... guess |
| 14:26.03 | PerfDave | bopbop: *shrug* Have you read the APT HOWTO, if yo uinsit on not using the packages? |
| 14:26.13 | joe_doe | :P |
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| 14:26.40 | romulo | in wich version is sarge libsdl? |
| 14:26.44 | stew | bopbop: are you starting for marillat's source package? or which? |
| 14:26.50 | fhffhqvb | !confuse romulo |
| 14:26.51 | dpkg | Yes, those was my badger today, romulo? shirts of the republic of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 14:26.54 | bopbop | eh i did a search for the package but it showed nothing for mplayer in apt-cache |
| 14:26.57 | drac | romulo: apt-cache search libsdl.. apt-cache show package.. |
| 14:26.57 | tarzeau | romulo: packages.debian.org ? |
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| 14:27.01 | stew | bopbop: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:27.05 | bopbop | unless i am suppose to add the ftp to the sources list? |
| 14:27.21 | bopbop | hmm ok i am |
| 14:27.34 | romulo | drac, im using sid =P |
| 14:27.42 | romulo | tarzeau, good idea |
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| 14:30.31 | joe_doe | ok, all daemons disabled |
| 14:30.40 | joe_doe | let's see what happens :) |
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| 14:30.55 | StereoSkit | dudes, hi, i have a quick consult, if i want a script to run at start it is enough if i put it in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 14:31.05 | nkuttler | StereoSkit: man update-rc.d |
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| 14:31.43 | StereoSkit | nkuttler: tnx :D |
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| 14:32.14 | joe_doe | :\ |
| 14:32.24 | joe_doe | problem persists, and no daemons started |
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| 14:32.50 | nkuttler | joe_doe: can you remove/disable eth1? |
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| 14:33.08 | nkuttler | joe_doe: could be bad hardware/buggy driver |
| 14:33.31 | joe_doe | I can't remove it |
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| 14:33.37 | joe_doe | it's "integrated" |
| 14:33.41 | nkuttler | joe_doe: bios, disable it |
| 14:33.59 | hax | anyone know how i can do a find and replace in a lot of files? |
| 14:34.03 | joe_doe | well, the login was faster |
| 14:34.13 | tarzeau | hax: find/sed |
| 14:34.20 | nkuttler | joe_doe: well, no daeomns... |
| 14:34.32 | VincentMX | where can i find sarge's sources.list? |
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| 14:34.36 | hax | tarzeau: i have to write to a temp file and move things and do all that, right? |
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| 14:34.46 | joe_doe | no, I meant that the time period where it just sat and did nothing is now ~1 minute |
| 14:34.51 | joe_doe | it was 5 minutes before |
| 14:34.52 | tarzeau | VincentMX: in /etc/apt/sources.list ? or telnet linuks.mine.nu and replace unstable/sid with sarge/stable ? |
| 14:35.03 | tarzeau | VincentMX: you'll want to add security. it's all in the docs |
| 14:35.13 | joe_doe | nkuttler: i will give it a try |
| 14:35.19 | tarzeau | hax: the later sed's can do inplace replacement |
| 14:35.25 | hax | tarzeau: hrm, ok |
| 14:35.27 | tarzeau | hax: so no you don't have to. but make sure you have a backup |
| 14:35.28 | joe_doe | although the same kernel worked with woody distro and same hardware |
| 14:35.47 | ultraviolet16 | i have an external usb memory card reader and I want to access the data.. how do I do that, or where can I find the info to do it? |
| 14:36.04 | tarzeau | ultraviolet16: on sarge? connect it and mount it? check dmesg |
| 14:36.06 | joe_doe | erm, you need SCSI utilities first for the kernel |
| 14:36.08 | hax | tarzeau: i feel like i have an old version of sed, and thats not good |
| 14:36.09 | hax | heh |
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| 14:36.18 | VincentMX | tarzeau no i mean on the net. i have a theory about another way to switch to debian but i need the sources.list |
| 14:36.19 | ultraviolet16 | ok, how do I mount it. |
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| 14:36.23 | ultraviolet16 | dmesg found it fine |
| 14:36.25 | joe_doe | try with |
| 14:36.29 | tarzeau | hax: does it have -i ? |
| 14:36.37 | hax | tarzeau: nope |
| 14:36.38 | tarzeau | i have: GNU sed version 4.1.2 |
| 14:36.43 | joe_doe | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash |
| 14:36.44 | joe_doe | eg |
| 14:36.46 | tarzeau | hax: you sure have debian? |
| 14:36.55 | hax | tarzeau: oh, actually, this server may not be running debian |
| 14:36.57 | hax | tarzeau: good call |
| 14:36.57 | hax | heh |
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| 14:37.06 | tarzeau | buggerer |
| 14:37.09 | hax | tarzeau: true |
| 14:37.14 | tarzeau | hax: what is it? |
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| 14:37.24 | rz950 | hi |
| 14:37.33 | tarzeau | if it's solaris, they have some really fucked up line length limits |
| 14:37.34 | hax | tarzeau: uhh, uname just says 'Linux', i dont know, its an old server, i didnt set it up |
| 14:37.44 | tarzeau | hax: try cat /etc/*ersion |
| 14:37.47 | rz950 | anyone know of a small distro based on debian? |
| 14:37.55 | joe_doe | debootstrap? |
| 14:37.55 | hax | tarzeau: nothing |
| 14:37.56 | joe_doe | ^^ |
| 14:37.58 | tarzeau | rz950: livecd.gnustep.org .. how small? |
| 14:38.11 | rz950 | 100mb or so |
| 14:38.17 | hax | tarzeau: ehh, either way, any idea how i can just get the file names off a grep -r, so i know what to feed into sed? |
| 14:38.20 | tarzeau | hax: rpm -e rpm ? |
| 14:38.23 | rz950 | it can fit in a 2gb space through |
| 14:38.34 | hax | tarzeau: that worked, guess its redhat |
| 14:38.38 | joe_doe | lol @ small |
| 14:38.39 | tarzeau | hax: find has an option -type f |
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| 14:39.01 | VincentMX | where can i find sarge's sources.list on the net? |
| 14:39.04 | tarzeau | rz950: gnustep live cd fits into 1 gb nicely and performes pretty well on crap hardware |
| 14:39.09 | hax | tarzeau: i cant be sedding binary files though |
| 14:39.17 | tarzeau | VincentMX: on www.debian.org/doc |
| 14:39.24 | VincentMX | okthnx |
| 14:39.27 | tarzeau | hax: no you can't |
| 14:39.30 | rz950 | tarzeau: do you know of any others like damn small linux? |
| 14:39.40 | tarzeau | rz950: no i don't know any others |
| 14:39.46 | hax | tarzeau: well, i'm confused |
| 14:39.47 | hax | he |
| 14:39.47 | hax | heh |
| 14:39.55 | joe_doe | rz950: try debootstrap |
| 14:40.02 | tarzeau | hax: you want to patch binary files? that's not likely to work well |
| 14:40.17 | hax | tarzeau: no, i don't, i only want to patch files that have this string in it |
| 14:40.27 | hax | tarzeau: but i don't know how to take the file names grep finds and put them somewhere |
| 14:40.33 | rbochan | rz950: clicky clicky... http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/07/08/1522251.shtml?tid=2 |
| 14:40.33 | hax | so i don't have the list of files |
| 14:40.38 | rz950 | thanks |
| 14:40.42 | simonrvn | -n |
| 14:40.47 | simonrvn | hax: ^^^ |
| 14:40.50 | pnut | lo all |
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| 14:41.03 | hax | simonrvn: that seems to number the lines the match is on... |
| 14:41.17 | simonrvn | also display the file name |
| 14:41.21 | simonrvn | +s |
| 14:41.30 | rz950 | rbochan: yeah I know about that one but i wanted a debian based one |
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| 14:41.51 | rbochan | rz950: there'a links to at least 4 otehr small distros in that article+comment, read it |
| 14:41.51 | hax | simonrvn: looks like -l gets it |
| 14:42.00 | rz950 | oh okay |
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| 14:42.49 | joe_doe | nkuttler: bios is not quite normal here :P |
| 14:42.54 | hax | thanks tarzeau and simonrvn :) |
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| 14:43.17 | simonrvn | np |
| 14:43.18 | rz950 | thanks tarzeau and rbochan |
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| 14:44.17 | ultraviolet16 | how do I do a device scan to see what's on my sys? |
| 14:44.32 | rbochan | lspci |
| 14:44.33 | joe_doe | type |
| 14:44.33 | Phated | Try lspci. |
| 14:44.39 | joe_doe | :P |
| 14:44.56 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: there is also lsusb |
| 14:45.01 | ultraviolet16 | actually its a usb device |
| 14:45.04 | ultraviolet16 | oh |
| 14:45.06 | stew | lsusb |
| 14:45.09 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:45.15 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | i dare you .. find a better prize |
| 14:45.33 | stew | !prise abrotman |
| 14:45.37 | joe_doe | but to find the /dev/blahblah dmesg is better :P |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | thank you |
| 14:45.45 | abrotman | paulswm would be proud |
| 14:45.49 | ultraviolet16 | well my laptop doesnt have lsusb.. =( |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | !find lsusb sarge |
| 14:46.00 | Phated | Install? |
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| 14:46.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 14:46.14 | ultraviolet16 | i'm running dyne:bolic live cd with a troubled laptop |
| 14:46.29 | ultraviolet16 | trying to extract data and stick it somewhere. all i have is this external usb memeory stick |
| 14:46.40 | Phated | dmesg, then. |
| 14:46.41 | rz950 | ultraviolet16: apt-get install lsusb |
| 14:46.47 | ultraviolet16 | no ethernet |
| 14:46.50 | rz950 | oh |
| 14:46.57 | ultraviolet16 | rz950: if I had that, i would of been a-ok |
| 14:46.57 | rz950 | then dmesg |
| 14:46.58 | xoz | ultraviolet16: try fdisk -l |
| 14:47.05 | Withdraw_ | im trying to install loop-aes w/ the build-initrd.sh script |
| 14:47.12 | Withdraw_ | but it gie me this error |
| 14:47.13 | Withdraw_ | *** This script was configured to build linuxrc using *** |
| 14:47.13 | Withdraw_ | *** dietlibc, but it appears that dietlibc is unavailable. *** |
| 14:47.13 | Withdraw_ | *** Script aborted. *** |
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| 14:47.24 | Withdraw_ | grrr |
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| 14:47.32 | Withdraw_ | *** This script was configured to build linuxrc using *** |
| 14:47.33 | Withdraw_ | *** dietlibc, but it appears that dietlibc is unavailable. *** |
| 14:47.33 | Withdraw_ | *** Script aborted. *** |
| 14:47.43 | ultraviolet16 | fdisk -l doesn't give any feedback |
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| 14:47.51 | rz950 | Withdraw_: install dietlibc |
| 14:47.59 | petemc | Withdraw_: the flood protection is there for a reason, you dont paste in here |
| 14:48.03 | Withdraw_ | i tried to isntall dietlibc w/ "apt-get install dietlibc" |
| 14:48.08 | rz950 | search for it |
| 14:48.09 | simonrvn | Withdraw_: um, you were kicked for pasting, don't continue doing it. like really... |
| 14:48.10 | drac | Withdraw_: Paste to channel.. got kicked.. and continued pasting? :P |
| 14:48.16 | Withdraw_ | sorry |
| 14:48.20 | ultraviolet16 | dmesg tells me "Usb device found at 3" |
| 14:48.28 | Withdraw_ | and it installes but i get the wrong error |
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| 14:48.33 | Phated | Hurrah. Look for a /dev/sd*. |
| 14:48.35 | petemc | ultraviolet16: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 14:48.37 | ultraviolet16 | does that mean /dev/sd3? or something? |
| 14:49.17 | joe_doe | ultraviolet16: what piece of hardware specifically are you installing? |
| 14:49.17 | drac | ultraviolet16: No, number of your USB port doesn't effect /dev -nodes. |
| 14:49.25 | Never2Far | where can i find The file contains the configuration settings for network interfaces ? |
| 14:49.28 | petemc | ultraviolet16: look for Host: scsi0 or scsi1 etc |
| 14:49.37 | ultraviolet16 | petemc: it's there =) now how to mount it. drac ok, thanks |
| 14:49.42 | Withdraw_ | i go into the build_inird.sh and comment out the part of the script that aborts the install but then i just the the error "diet: command not found" |
| 14:49.44 | petemc | ultraviolet16: is it scsi0? |
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| 14:49.53 | mojojojo | while playing nethack on console, I pressed ctrl+z, it went back to concsole and told me job was stopped. I have tried searching for almost a week now, how the hell do I resume the game/ start that one job/process again? |
| 14:50.05 | undomiel | hi, i have this audio controller acording to lspci: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 14:50.05 | petemc | ultraviolet16: cat /proc/partitions |
| 14:50.06 | rz950 | Withdraw_: check your pm |
| 14:50.14 | ultraviolet16 | petemc: scsi1 |
| 14:50.18 | undomiel | ive just installed debian sarge...but it get no sound |
| 14:50.19 | Withdraw_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:50.27 | petemc | ultraviolet16: so its /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:50.44 | petemc | ultraviolet16: scsi0 is sda, scsi1 is sdb, etc |
| 14:50.48 | undomiel | it autoloaded some snd controllers, but they doesnt seem to work nor they give any error mesage. |
| 14:51.09 | xoz | ultraviolet16: modprobe each. echi-hcd, ohci-hcd, uhci-hcd, usb-storage, st,sr_mod,sd_mod,usb_storage |
| 14:51.23 | xoz | ultraviolet16: if fdisk -l can't list it, i doubt you can mount it |
| 14:51.26 | Never2Far | where can i find The file contains the configuration settings for network interfaces ? |
| 14:51.28 | Rathnor | petemc: that's not strictly true. But i suppose it's a rough-enough assumption for usb device only, no sata disks hosts |
| 14:51.29 | undomiel | anyone knows wich module should i load to get it working? |
| 14:51.40 | ultraviolet16 | petemc: damn I get an error. "special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist" |
| 14:51.55 | rbochan | Never2Far: /etc/network/interfaces perhaps? |
| 14:52.13 | xoz | ultraviolet16: modprobe the drivers so that the device will be created automatically if you are using udev |
| 14:52.37 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: what would be the syntax for the modprobe? |
| 14:52.55 | xoz | ultraviolet16: modprobe <module> |
| 14:52.58 | simonrvn | ultraviolet16: modprobe module_name |
| 14:52.59 | petemc | Rathnor: its not? why not? |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | or use modconf |
| 14:53.16 | POVaddct | xoz: in rare cases, usb sticks are not partitioned, so it could be /dev/sdb |
| 14:53.37 | rbochan | !tell undomiel about alsa |
| 14:53.38 | ultraviolet16 | i tried sdb too |
| 14:53.46 | Rathnor | petemc: because you can have more than one thing on a scsi channel |
| 14:53.55 | ultraviolet16 | undomiel: try apt-get install alsa |
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| 14:54.31 | FieldySnuts | !be a whatever-simonrvn-means barbie |
| 14:54.32 | dpkg | Aww, whatever-simonrvn-means is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 14:54.34 | xoz | POVaddct: even not partitioned, fdisk -l should show cylinder, etc info |
| 14:54.41 | petemc | Rathnor: true enough, but as you say, it holds true enough for desktop users trying to find usb devices |
| 14:54.50 | abrotman | ex: .. a raid system .. one controller .. many logical drives .. sda/b/c etc |
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| 14:54.58 | ultraviolet16 | module_name = usb-masstorage in my case/ |
| 14:54.59 | ultraviolet16 | ? |
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| 14:55.18 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: as in, some people think doing something like fixing an mbr, or inserting a kernel module, are harder than it is |
| 14:55.28 | Angelo- | why would apt-get tell me a package could not be authenticated? (downloading from unstable) |
| 14:55.29 | Rathnor | we've got some scripts to do the mapping of usb device to scsi device |
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| 14:55.47 | xoz | ultraviolet16: for example, modprobe usb-storage |
| 14:55.47 | petemc | Rathnor: and how do they work? |
| 14:55.49 | Rathnor | (need to use ioctls) |
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| 14:56.14 | xoz | ultraviolet16: you have to try the list of modules i told you above |
| 14:56.16 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: i.e., "where's the 'any' key?" |
| 14:56.29 | xoz | ultraviolet16: and as root, fdisk -l. |
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| 14:57.02 | abrotman | !usbstorage |
| 14:57.07 | abrotman | bah .. it's ther somewhere |
| 14:57.14 | simonrvn | !liskeys storage |
| 14:57.18 | simonrvn | !listkeys storage |
| 14:57.18 | Rathnor | usb-storage is the usual name |
| 14:57.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'storage' by key (3): usb-storage ;; removable storage ;; thread-local storage. |
| 14:57.24 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 14:57.29 | xoz | Angelo-: yep, mirror sites have that problem. try getting the package straight from debian repo and check if the problem persists |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 14:57.38 | Angelo- | kthx |
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| 14:58.43 | ma3x | is there cdplayer like amarok that displays covers of the cds? |
| 14:59.09 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi :) |
| 14:59.13 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hihi. |
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| 14:59.35 | Internett | hi |
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| 15:00.40 | ultraviolet16 | damn. I load the modules and everything and still no cigar with fdisk -l |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | dmesg show it ? |
| 15:00.55 | Internett | any one knows if debian runs in a powermac 9600? |
| 15:01.10 | POVaddct | xoz: if not partitioned and whole /dev/sdb used for a filesystem, fdisk -l /dev/sdb would interpret filesystem data as partition table, displaying a bogus table or "invalid partition table" error |
| 15:01.13 | ultraviolet16 | dmesg shows "USB mass storage found" |
| 15:01.20 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hire Phated |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | that's it ? |
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| 15:01.40 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: and you loaded sd_mod or whatever it is ? |
| 15:01.47 | abrotman | did you install usbmgr or hotplug ? |
| 15:01.55 | Phated | Pshaw. |
| 15:01.59 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:02.00 | ultraviolet16 | i loaded sd_mod and usb-storage |
| 15:02.00 | Internett | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | is that ppc ? |
| 15:02.13 | abrotman | or m68k ? |
| 15:02.13 | Phated | Hardly threatening, as I don't intend to further my line. |
| 15:02.32 | abrotman | Internett: ? |
| 15:02.32 | Internett | abrotman is this http://netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/ |
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| 15:02.42 | Internett | abrotman http://netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/ |
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| 15:02.54 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: that was before even g3 so.. |
| 15:02.57 | abrotman | Internett: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/m68k/ch02s01.html.en |
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| 15:03.13 | Internett | ok |
| 15:03.18 | ice_1963 | i'm runing sarge an gnome desktop i need a driver fore my photosmart7350 printer how can i get it ????? |
| 15:03.29 | undomiel | hey, is the any way to automount a fat32 partition and to get regular users rw permision to it? |
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| 15:03.40 | ultraviolet16 | yea |
| 15:03.42 | FieldySnuts | automount = major security hazard |
| 15:03.49 | ultraviolet16 | undomiel: ntfstools |
| 15:03.53 | undomiel | mmmm |
| 15:03.54 | abrotman | !tell Internett about m68k |
| 15:04.05 | undomiel | its not ntfs its fat32 |
| 15:04.08 | ultraviolet16 | I think its called, look in debian packages |
| 15:04.13 | rbochan | undomiel: yes, read man mount and and fstab |
| 15:04.15 | ultraviolet16 | oh fat32 |
| 15:04.22 | ultraviolet16 | fat32 is easier |
| 15:04.26 | undomiel | rbochan: ive allready donde that |
| 15:04.32 | undomiel | but it doesnt work.. |
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| 15:04.36 | undomiel | i tried gid |
| 15:04.36 | xoz | ultraviolet16: was it detected? |
| 15:04.39 | ultraviolet16 | undomiel: you read about fstab? |
| 15:04.40 | pnut | ice_1963: have a look at http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PhotoSmart_7350 |
| 15:04.43 | undomiel | uid |
| 15:04.50 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: im still on i t |
| 15:04.52 | undomiel | rw, user, auto... |
| 15:04.54 | undomiel | etc |
| 15:05.07 | undomiel | ive tried a lot of combinations but they doesnt work |
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| 15:05.37 | petemc | ultraviolet16: fwiw, a modern knoppix cd would probably handle your usb key without you having to do anything |
| 15:05.49 | useruser | what's the right way to edit a debian changelog? |
| 15:06.07 | useruser | useruser: ie is there a tool which adds the timestamp, applies formatting etc |
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| 15:06.46 | pnut | ice_1963: you get that? |
| 15:06.48 | ultraviolet16 | petemc: Im thinking that dyne is trying its best to load it and it's a problem with the usb card reader |
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| 15:07.08 | ultraviolet16 | first of all it's a "all-in-one" with like 7 different holes for different media card types |
| 15:07.20 | joe_doe | question: |
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| 15:07.29 | ultraviolet16 | so it asks as a hub i guess |
| 15:07.36 | joe_doe | I have a 2.4.18 kernel config file |
| 15:07.54 | joe_doe | what is the easies way to make a 2.4.27 kernel from it? |
| 15:07.57 | joe_doe | easiest* |
| 15:07.58 | POVaddct | ultraviolet16: so appears as a scsi device with multiple LUNs? |
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| 15:08.21 | tarzeau | joe_doe: ouf. why? |
| 15:08.32 | tarzeau | joe_doe: make-kpkg (kernel-package) |
| 15:08.37 | ultraviolet16 | in my debian box it does. but not in the laptop... ahhh the frustration. let me figure out if it really does on the debian box.. Im a test it |
| 15:08.44 | tarzeau | joe_doe: www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ or gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 15:08.47 | POVaddct | ultraviolet16: i guess you have to enable multi lun support in kernel for that |
| 15:09.14 | ultraviolet16 | yea POVaddct your right |
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| 15:09.18 | POVaddct | ultraviolet16: CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN |
| 15:09.36 | ultraviolet16 | my debian, 2.6 kernel gets it just right |
| 15:10.02 | green_earz | joe_doe: ist command "make oldconfig " |
| 15:10.35 | joe_doe | okiz thanks |
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| 15:10.41 | ultraviolet16 | POVaddct: I'm sorry, but how can I edit that.. i've never attempted to edit ther kernel |
| 15:10.47 | joe_doe | tarzeau: it's my last shot |
| 15:10.56 | luminerd | anyone know of VOIP for Debian? |
| 15:10.59 | green_earz | joe_doe: have a read of > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-kernel-details |
| 15:11.00 | joe_doe | the system still stalls before login |
| 15:11.13 | joe_doe | thanks |
| 15:11.35 | green_earz | joe_doe: and use --initrd |
| 15:11.41 | luminerd | I have no clue how VOIP works at all, but my Dad's business needs it |
| 15:11.58 | luminerd | The server will have skole linux |
| 15:12.22 | Linux-Mad | every time i restart the comp. i must config eth1 and then ifconfig eth1 up ...why ?! .... |
| 15:12.33 | POVaddct | ultraviolet16: maybe it is already included, grep CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 15:13.12 | xoz | ultraviolet16: have you loaded ehci-hcd? |
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| 15:13.19 | xoz | ultraviolet16: check lsmod |
| 15:13.27 | sml | luminerd: can't you use skype ? |
| 15:13.33 | rking | Linux-Mad: do you have eth1 mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:13.40 | Linux-Mad | nope |
| 15:13.41 | luminerd | sml, what is skype? |
| 15:13.48 | rking | Linux-Mad: man 5 interfaces |
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| 15:14.24 | sml | luminerd: some voip program that allows you to make phone calls using its software |
| 15:14.32 | sml | luminerd: i think it works on linux too |
| 15:14.48 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: what am I looking for in lsmod? |
| 15:14.48 | green_earz | luminerd: some netgear routers have voip built in and have a look at > http://www.voip.org.uk/ |
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| 15:14.51 | sml | luminerd: http://www.skype.com/ |
| 15:15.05 | Thanatermesis | OT: please, any person is posible to correct grammar of the FIRST line in this boot? (Please select the option... ) http://thanatermesis.no-ip.org/tmp/shots/nada-eliveboot-2.jpg |
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| 15:15.15 | sml | luminerd: they have it for linux. not sure about the licence though.. it doesn't appear to be in debian. |
| 15:15.20 | PerfDave | skype is nasty non-Free VOIP software which uses horrible routing hacks. |
| 15:15.26 | luminerd | sml, ok, perfect, that's what I'm looking for. Thanks |
| 15:15.40 | rking | Linux-Mad: does that help? |
| 15:15.43 | sml | luminerd: well listen to PerfDave he knows better than me. |
| 15:15.56 | xoz | ultraviolet16: echi-hcd, ohci-hcd, uhci-hcd, usb-storage, st,sr_mod,sd_mod,usb_storage |
| 15:16.02 | Linux-Mad | rking: now i read |
| 15:16.03 | sml | luminerd: horrible routing hacks *might* mean *hard* to firewall securely. |
| 15:16.07 | luminerd | PerfDave, I see, what is an alternative that is free and works properly? |
| 15:16.21 | PerfDave | There's plenty of SIP and H323 software for Linux, which can be trivially tied in to conventional phone networks with a number of commercial services (or just use asterisk and your own PSTN line) |
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| 15:16.34 | rking | Thanatermesis: are you referring to the "vga=791 splash=silent ...." line? |
| 15:16.38 | PerfDave | luminerd: kphone? gnomemeeting? Check out http://www.openh323.org/ and I'm sure there's a SIP equivalent. |
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| 15:17.14 | luminerd | great, thanks |
| 15:17.24 | luminerd | PerfDave, do these have monthly charges or anything of the like? |
| 15:17.32 | Linux-Mad | rking: not very much help...pls. give me a PM with your config ...i don't know how to set eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:17.51 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: when I try loading schi-hcd is says "no such device" |
| 15:18.03 | ultraviolet16 | I'm pretty sure though that I have to do what POVaddct said |
| 15:18.05 | PerfDave | luminerd: For the software? No. If you want to run your own gateway with Asterisk, no. Commercial VoIP gateways will charge,k obviously. |
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| 15:18.10 | Thanatermesis | rking, no, the first line |
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| 15:18.21 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.27 | ultraviolet16 | POVaddct: I couldn't find the string you asked me to search for in the /boot/ |
| 15:18.38 | xoz | ultraviolet16: wrong spelling |
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| 15:18.44 | xoz | ultraviolet16: check my list |
| 15:18.47 | PerfDave | luminerd: The only downside is that if you're using NAT, you'll need to run a gateway on your firewall, such as GNU Gatekeeper (again, Debian-packaged Free software) |
| 15:18.57 | rking | Linux-Mad: well, it depends on how you have eth1 configured. the example at the top is pretty straightforward. my guess is you'll need "iface eth1 inet dhcp" and "auto eth1" |
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| 15:19.19 | xoz | ultraviolet16: ehci-hcd |
| 15:19.26 | rking | Thanatermesis: that sounds like it's phrased perfectly well to me. |
| 15:19.29 | sml | luminerd: apt-cache search voip, will yield results. |
| 15:19.40 | S4nD3r_ | Hey.... Something is wrong in this sarge |
| 15:19.50 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: I do that, but "device not found" comes up |
| 15:20.04 | xoz | ultraviolet16: 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:20.11 | ultraviolet16 | 2.4 |
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| 15:20.19 | drac | S4nD3r_: I don't recall package called Something in Sarge. |
| 15:20.28 | ma3x | how can i view movie trailers |
| 15:20.32 | ultraviolet16 | i can't install the 2.6 on this system |
| 15:20.34 | S4nD3r_ | I always got mount my digital camera, now, suddenly, I cant.... mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 15:20.38 | xoz | ultraviolet16: this is for usb 2.0, so you need it if you have usb 2.0 |
| 15:20.40 | ma3x | firefox won't stream real or wm |
| 15:20.47 | ma3x | drac : any idea? |
| 15:20.56 | fhffhqvb | !any ideas |
| 15:20.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a handful of rabid dairy cows. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:20.59 | S4nD3r_ | My menubar in Gnome everytime disapears |
| 15:21.04 | ultraviolet16 | prob is the multiplie 'luns' |
| 15:21.17 | drac | ma3x: What dpkg said. |
| 15:21.19 | sour | Will code for food, msg me. |
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| 15:21.35 | ma3x | no, really |
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| 15:21.43 | ma3x | any package to install for real to play? |
| 15:22.05 | xoz | ultraviolet16: check /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/usb/host |
| 15:22.07 | rking | ma3x: there's a download for linux on real.com - a simple "download and follow instructions" sort of a deal. |
| 15:22.07 | drac | ma3x: w32codecs/mplayer-386/mplayer-fonts from marillat.. /msg dpkg marillat ? |
| 15:22.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: i didn't get it to work |
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| 15:22.41 | ma3x | tarzeau why not? |
| 15:22.42 | bopbop | hmm what's the recommended mail client to work with exchange, i'm using evolution with evolution-exchange, but it's a bit crap to be honest, no contact lists get shown, and eventually it hangs, and i have to manually close it via PID and relaunch |
| 15:22.43 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: all of this to recover a stupid mail list from a faltering drive |
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| 15:22.46 | chaica | hi |
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| 15:23.02 | ma3x | drac: these codecs, do they have to be configured into firefox somehow? |
| 15:23.04 | ultraviolet16 | a .pst |
| 15:23.13 | xoz | ultraviolet16: nope, experiencewise... |
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| 15:23.18 | chaica | I got a old computer with a woody 3.0, if I want to update, do I have to update to sarge? |
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| 15:23.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: no idea. it sucks? |
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| 15:23.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: non-free software |
| 15:23.45 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: experience eh? =) I guess that is where you get it. But either way man.. I'm going to have to say I can't do the job.. since I can't get this working |
| 15:23.47 | ma3x | like what? |
| 15:23.51 | simonrvn | chaica: i'd suggest that. woody security updates won't be done forever (about a year) |
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| 15:24.01 | ultraviolet16 | i have the floppy as an option. but i don't know how big the outlook.pst file is |
| 15:24.04 | drac | ma3x: You just lost me, Firefox doesn't play .rm or .wmv or anything in any OS. With any codecs. |
| 15:24.24 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: problem is I only get like.. 3 commands per boot until the drive starts messing up |
| 15:24.27 | ma3x | drac: that's a fuckin tragedy |
| 15:24.42 | kbrooks | OK, say I install Woody, then dist-upgrade to <distribution based on Debian>. What will happen? |
| 15:24.46 | xoz | ultraviolet16: i have multi-reader also and it works with no problem. you should use kernel 2.6 |
| 15:24.49 | knj | What should I do to get a script executed at every boot? |
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| 15:25.19 | kbrooks | PissedTrixBunny: trix is for poopers |
| 15:25.20 | spola | i try to umount a cd but it says its being used ("somewhere"), how do i find out which process keeps me from taking out the cd? |
| 15:25.21 | ultraviolet16 | i have kernel 2.6 on my debian box. but i'm using the dyne:bolic live cd for the laptop.. so I can access the data |
| 15:25.28 | Slippy | stupid terrorists bombing london again |
| 15:25.31 | bopbop | hmm anyone here use a mail client which works well with exchange ? |
| 15:25.32 | kbrooks | spola: lsof |
| 15:25.39 | xoz | ultraviolet16: usbmgr|hotplug|discover should be able to autodetect your reader |
| 15:25.41 | ultraviolet16 | and the dyne cd is 2,4 kernel. I have gentoo though, let's see how it works.. |
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| 15:25.57 | spola | cool |
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| 15:26.53 | riley | I'm having a problem when trying to login to ssh with non-root account. It says "Please wait system bootup in progress" and then wont login (password is correct). The system is /not/ rebooting though and it works if i login with root, any ideas? |
| 15:26.55 | PerfDave | kbrooks: No idea, probably horrible breakage. |
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| 15:27.23 | rking | PerfDave: what if my firewall is a dinky ISP-provided modem/router? how could i do something like gnugk? |
| 15:27.48 | spola | COOOL thx a lot kbrooks !!!! |
| 15:28.03 | POVaddct | riley: check files /etc/nologin /etc/nologin.boot and remove them |
| 15:28.53 | PerfDave | rking: Depends on what your router box is. It's possible that you could run it in some kind of dumb mode and just pass packets on to a Linux-based wirewall with gatekeeper. |
| 15:29.08 | sml | rking: have your isp given you an ip block? if so you can use your firewall as a router and then make yourself a real fw using debian on one of the other ips |
| 15:29.20 | rking | PerfDave: right - i started thinking that just after i wrote that question |
| 15:29.21 | sml | i.e. what PerfDave just said. |
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| 15:29.24 | S4nD3r_ | Is there any other kind of menu instead of gnome-panel to Gnome 2.8 Desktop?? |
| 15:29.38 | GodKilla- | erm where can i find the file .configure? |
| 15:29.47 | rking | sml/PerfDave: thanks - i am pretty sure i can subvert the router |
| 15:29.59 | cbr | S4nD3r_: well you can install which panel you like to gnome |
| 15:30.10 | kbrooks | PerfDave: well, replace that with Ubuntu. Someone stated that you could "mix" woody and ubuntu, but the latter replaces Woody. HOW COME?!? |
| 15:30.11 | riley | POVaddct perfect, thank you |
| 15:30.30 | sml | rking: I never trust any shite piece of off the shelf adsl hardware. you only need to follow a few security mailing lists for a month to see why. |
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| 15:30.43 | bopbop | hmm is evolution the only MTA that supports exchange? |
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| 15:30.46 | sml | rking: better to think of them as "in front of your firewall" rather than "your firewall". |
| 15:30.51 | S4nD3r_ | cbr, But I dont know which panels are available to Gnome |
| 15:31.01 | PerfDave | bopbop: evolution isn't an MTA |
| 15:31.08 | bopbop | sorry mail client |
| 15:31.14 | PerfDave | kbrooks: Horrible breakage. Nobody test the Woody -> Ubuntoy upgrade path, the package names are different, bloah blah blah. Just install Debian and be done with it. |
| 15:31.18 | cbr | S4nD3r_: which ever |
| 15:31.45 | rking | sml: what's the easiest way to watch for port scans, and other attempted hacks? |
| 15:31.50 | sml | bopbop: Exchange sucks monkey balls. |
| 15:31.55 | bopbop | it does |
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| 15:31.57 | sml | rking: Your log files. |
| 15:31.59 | bopbop | but i have no choice but to use it |
| 15:32.06 | S4nD3r_ | karamba? |
| 15:32.08 | kbrooks | PerfDave: OK, I'll test it.....and see if you're right or wrong. If you're wrong, too bad :P |
| 15:32.11 | pablum | S4nD3r_, just right-click on an existing panel and select "new panel", then fill it out. |
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| 15:32.13 | sml | rking: or if you're lazy just setup snort and keep the sigs up-to-date. |
| 15:32.15 | rking | sml: but are they probably already set up to the right log level? |
| 15:32.21 | bopbop | and evolution-exchange sucks balls also |
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| 15:32.35 | S4nD3r_ | ok, but gnome-panel it is not working properly |
| 15:32.36 | PerfDave | kbrooks: *shrug* It may work. It may not. I expect it won't. FFS, if you want to run Ubuntoy, just bloody well install it. |
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| 15:32.55 | sml | rking: well how are you firewalling with debian ? socks, tables ? |
| 15:33.20 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: the main thing I gotta do is extract that outlook.pst |
| 15:33.25 | rking | sml: it will be tables, when i get it set up (unless you recommend otherwise) |
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| 15:33.40 | ultraviolet16 | but its impossible if it recognizes the hd every once in a while |
| 15:33.53 | xoz | ultraviolet16: use livecd such as ubuntu or knoppix |
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| 15:34.06 | EdibleText | ultraviolet16, there is some pst conversion util, if thats what you're looking for |
| 15:34.08 | sml | rking: Well... use the LOG target, and set a log-level and prefix. then you can use swatch to monitor your logs |
| 15:34.09 | ultraviolet16 | dyne:bolic is a live cd, that's why I was using it |
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| 15:34.28 | xoz | ultraviolet16: usb support in 2.4 is not really good |
| 15:34.30 | ultraviolet16 | EdibleText: Thanks, but no, I'm just looking to get the file out of a damaged hard drive |
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| 15:34.38 | rking | sml: ahh, cool.. swatch looks about right |
| 15:34.53 | shadowcat | does anyone know where debian defines key substitutions? |
| 15:35.00 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: I've figured down to multiple floppies. first step though is to get the file into the ram |
| 15:35.00 | petemc | swatch is a bit of a bollocks to get doing anything useful |
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| 15:35.01 | petemc | ime |
| 15:35.05 | ultraviolet16 | out of the hd |
| 15:35.05 | shadowcat | like when I type ^2 it replaces with ² |
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| 15:35.13 | shadowcat | I want it to quit doing that |
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| 15:35.28 | sml | rking: Plus I'd recommend putting snort on a host in front of your firewall that sees all the traffic and also inside too (if you're paranoid). then you can check your forward traffic against your firewall rules against your internal traffic (which should match the access control lists). |
| 15:35.42 | PissedTrixBunny | I wrote this line at the end of .bash_profile file: "export PAHT=~/bin:"${PATH}" but still ~/bin would not work... what can I do to fix this? |
| 15:36.01 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: replace PAHT with PATH |
| 15:36.03 | EdibleText | PissedTrixBunny, proofread? |
| 15:36.10 | simonrvn | um, you'll need to change that |
| 15:36.10 | PissedTrixBunny | sorry, it is PATH |
| 15:36.17 | sml | rking: it just means you get the bigger picture, since a lot of people only log specific things, and ignore the rest and you may want to see what's made it through your firewall so that you can tweak your filter table. |
| 15:36.30 | whm | I found Tabbrowser Extensions could not work well on firefox1.06 |
| 15:36.31 | sml | rking: iptables is only as good as the rules you make. |
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| 15:36.36 | bopbop | export PATH=$PATH:~/bin |
| 15:36.40 | rking | sml: cool - good tip |
| 15:36.49 | Angelo- | pissed: try $HOME instead of ~ |
| 15:36.52 | sml | rking: i had a problem with someone tunneling through DNS. now that was not very easy to stop! |
| 15:37.00 | Fluten | I am trying to get my sound on my laptop working, but when i do a lspci, i don't see any sound cards listed |
| 15:37.03 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: why do you have a double quote between : and $ |
| 15:37.04 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: Just for practice i'm going to mount this usb card on my debian box |
| 15:37.07 | ultraviolet16 | see how it works |
| 15:37.15 | Fluten | does lspci only list things that the kernel recognizes? |
| 15:37.18 | ultraviolet16 | How do i take care of the multiple luns? |
| 15:37.20 | sml | rking: So it's good to run a few things in unison to get the "bigger picture". |
| 15:37.29 | petemc | Fluten: it'll say unknown device |
| 15:37.36 | ultraviolet16 | POVaddct: If your around, I'm sure youwould have a good idea |
| 15:37.55 | Fluten | petemc, hmm, no unknown devices |
| 15:38.10 | S4nD3r_ | So, my /dev/sda1 disapears |
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| 15:38.14 | Fluten | i have it configured in the bios as pnp, i'll reboot and try making the io addresses and irq static |
| 15:38.21 | S4nD3r_ | How reinstall it ?? |
| 15:38.30 | rking | sml: what about when you see an external host that is doing something thuggish... i've typically just done an nmap on them, and browsed their web server if they have one, etc... but what else is there to explore the attackers? |
| 15:38.35 | ultraviolet16 | beautiful.. so I plug it in, tells me the luns, what's got what.. and also the size of the cards i have on there.. |
| 15:38.42 | EdibleText | Fluten, ISA? |
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| 15:38.48 | xoz | ultraviolet16: don't think it is necessary. i have multiple reader and never configured this multiple luns... why distinguish single from multiple? i think kernel developers should know better or default config. |
| 15:38.50 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, it seems that it sees my $HOME/bin... when I type in the shell the names completes themselves... however whenthe time come to execute... the terminal is looking in /bin/ not ~/bin... so I keep on getting No such file or dir... |
| 15:38.50 | kl12 | hi anyone knows how can i boot a m68k debian iso in a powermac 9600? |
| 15:38.52 | ultraviolet16 | i did fdisk- l and it gives me the partition table. no problem |
| 15:39.00 | Fluten | EdibleText, maybe, the laptop is 166mhz |
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| 15:39.05 | sml | rking: I think there's no point unless you're attacked by a person. 99% of the shit i see in my logs are from automated tools, virus' and trojans. |
| 15:39.16 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: your right, you don't have to distinguish between them |
| 15:39.18 | rking | sml: right |
| 15:39.27 | xoz | ultraviolet16: try cfdisk /dev/<drive> |
| 15:39.28 | Angelo- | maybe you need to chmod +x the file you are trying to run? |
| 15:39.32 | ultraviolet16 | the device is /dev/sdd1 |
| 15:39.37 | sml | rking: I mean.. i see attacks on my apache that would only work on IIS. Why should I worry. Obviously its not a person, since a person wouldn't be so dumb (or would they lol) |
| 15:39.52 | rking | hey - anyone with a working h323 set up want to let me try and connect/chat? i just installed ohphone, and am excited by the prospect of getting rid of skype. |
| 15:39.52 | Fluten | if it's not listed in lspci, is it probably isa? |
| 15:39.52 | xoz | ultraviolet16: then, you can proceed.. mount it |
| 15:39.53 | PissedTrixBunny | Angelo-, I can run them with ./ just fine |
| 15:39.56 | ultraviolet16 | i am |
| 15:39.59 | Angelo- | o |
| 15:40.16 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: you should show us the line you are using to alter the PATH. what are you doing when you get "No such file or dir..." |
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| 15:40.45 | rking | sml: it would be kind of cool to have a script that could look up their ISP's name and send a "You have a runaway host" email to support@their-isp |
| 15:40.48 | useruser | how do openoffice, defoma and fontconfig interact? |
| 15:41.03 | sml | rking: Basically if you;'re running ssh, expect to see shit loads of attempts on that port (possibly brute forcing). just make sure you disable password based authentication in this instance, and put it on a different port. You'll have to do a like-wise thing with other servives too. Any open port needs securing and should ideally be on a perimeter network. if you're ulta paranoid that permiter netowrk should even have its *own* firewall (more machines to hack). |
| 15:41.08 | S4nD3r_ | When I try cfdisk /dev/sda I get error message that cannot open disk drive |
| 15:41.17 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: that was too easy |
| 15:41.28 | ultraviolet16 | stupid 2.4 kernel |
| 15:41.29 | ultraviolet16 | =( |
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| 15:41.36 | sml | rking: it takes too much time. i used to bother , like i did with spam, but nowadays i only report actual attempted break-ins of which i've only seen one in ten years. |
| 15:41.55 | rking | sml: makes sense. |
| 15:42.03 | sml | rking: people lose interest when a) you hardly run any servives, b) the ones you do are secured and up-to-date. |
| 15:42.14 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, when I type in the name of the script, which resides in ~/bin, I can use tab and those name can complete themselves,,, that means the system sees my ~/bin however when the times come to execute, it seems that the shell is looking at my /bin/ instead of my ~/bin.... thus receive the error: /bin/scriptname: no such file or directory |
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| 15:42.43 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: show us your PATH variable |
| 15:42.47 | Lumination | hey does anybody know what java packages you need to run limewire? |
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| 15:43.02 | stew | Lumination: /topic |
| 15:43.07 | stew | Lumination: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 15:43.20 | ultraviolet16 | ... i have a 8mb usb stick |
| 15:43.22 | Lumination | k |
| 15:43.29 | shadowcat | how do you turn off character substitution in X? |
| 15:43.29 | sml | rking: you'll have fun with iptables though and its various patches.. you can do an *aweful* lot with it. *reallyl*. |
| 15:43.33 | ultraviolet16 | is there such a linux distro that fits in there? |
| 15:43.42 | ultraviolet16 | to run the 2.6 kernel..? |
| 15:43.50 | xoz | ultraviolet16: 2.4 has issues with usb. |
| 15:43.52 | rking | sml: i've already toyed with an iptables -j REDIRECT trick that came in handy |
| 15:43.54 | Lumination | IBD, thanx |
| 15:44.00 | xoz | ultraviolet16: check slack from slackware. |
| 15:44.18 | sml | rking: for example , in the ssh example i just gave you could use a "recent" module, as opposed to "portknocking". portknocking is IMHO security through obscurity. |
| 15:44.18 | PissedTrixBunny | bash: /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/X11...... there doesn't seem to be ~/bin |
| 15:44.29 | xoz | ultraviolet16: linuxtoday.com has an article about it |
| 15:44.32 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, bash: /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/X11...... there doesn't seem to be ~/bin |
| 15:44.36 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: that would be your problem then |
| 15:44.46 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: show us how you are trying to add ~/bin |
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| 15:45.08 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: but on only 8mb? 0.o |
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| 15:45.29 | xoz | yeah, think about initrd image |
| 15:45.34 | sml | rking: IMHO you're better off just responding to TCP connections with RSTs and UDP with icmp's since that way your host looks "uninteresting". When you see a host acting strange (DROP, REDIRECT) you would tend to think it has a ostensive purpose, and one might investigate further. |
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| 15:46.25 | sml | rking: there's also a nice little trick to modify TTL values to make firewalls "dissappear" from tracerotues etc etc but at the end of the day there's other ways of finding out where the host sits. |
| 15:47.03 | rking | sml: what are the other ways? |
| 15:47.16 | rking | sml: i often get the feeling that my traceroutes aren't showing me the whole picture |
| 15:47.19 | sml | rking: I'd certainly recommend writing your rules by hand. Although there are good programs out there to create your rules for you, its better that you understand what each and every rule does. |
| 15:47.45 | sml | rking: just get the O'Reilley book on TCP/IP Network Admininstration :) |
| 15:47.59 | rking | sml: good tip |
| 15:48.00 | sml | I love the O'Reilley books. |
| 15:48.06 | sml | Apart from the Bat Book. |
| 15:49.04 | rking | sml: yeah, some ora books are great, but there are definitely some not worth it |
| 15:49.10 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, in the .bash_profile, I uncommented the "if [-d ~/bin ] ; then PATH=~bin:"${PATH}" fi" and at the end of the file, I added export PATH=$HOME/bin:${PATH} |
| 15:49.41 | sml | I was sure and I mean *CERTAIN* they had one covering Oracle on Linux but when I went to their site to look for it... it didn't exist! did I dream it? lol |
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| 15:50.14 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: have you logged out and back in since you made that change? |
| 15:50.29 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: or sourced .bash_profile? |
| 15:50.31 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, I have not. I only did refresh... |
| 15:50.38 | PissedTrixBunny | I will do it now. |
| 15:50.38 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: what is refresh? |
| 15:50.42 | PissedTrixBunny | xrefresh |
| 15:50.47 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: .bash_profile is only for login shells |
| 15:50.48 | PissedTrixBunny | but that sounds stupid |
| 15:50.50 | PissedTrixBunny | yeah |
| 15:50.54 | PissedTrixBunny | I will be back in a sec |
| 15:50.59 | sml | PissedTrixBunny: . .bash_profile |
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| 15:51.20 | stew | wtf is xrefresh? |
| 15:51.32 | sml | stew: lmao, I have no idea and I dont wanna know ;) |
| 15:51.34 | stew | i don't actually require an answer to that one |
| 15:52.26 | ultraviolet16 | wow, slax distro seems hot |
| 15:52.38 | sml | wtf is slax ? |
| 15:52.54 | DoppelGanger | live cd |
| 15:53.02 | DoppelGanger | based on slackware |
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| 15:53.16 | sml | Oh right. A "poor mans" knoppix then. |
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| 15:53.37 | ultraviolet16 | poor man's.. what are you talking about sml? |
| 15:53.42 | DoppelGanger | a matter of opinion |
| 15:53.44 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, it did not work. Bash complete the script name... but this time... it says Command not found |
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| 15:54.12 | ultraviolet16 | sml: this is for a usb stick |
| 15:54.21 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: does your path variable look different? |
| 15:54.43 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: if not, try ". ~/.bash_profile" |
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| 15:54.50 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, yeah it does |
| 15:54.55 | PissedTrixBunny | $HOME/bin is now in it |
| 15:55.02 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: is the script +x ? |
| 15:55.08 | ma3x | hey |
| 15:55.10 | S4nD3r_ | So, How do I install my device?? |
| 15:55.12 | PissedTrixBunny | I can use ./ just fine |
| 15:55.16 | ma3x | who knows the manson family? |
| 15:55.16 | S4nD3r_ | /dev/sda1 |
| 15:55.17 | PissedTrixBunny | so the script works |
| 15:55.36 | PissedTrixBunny | brb |
| 15:55.46 | pablum | stew: different error for not-exec |
| 15:56.05 | purplebob | anyone here using nagios? Im getting weird/false packet loss reports, check_ping is using 2 pings but is reporting 66% 75% and even link 81% packet loss. that math doesn't work out, and there isn't packet loss, normal ping works fine. |
| 15:56.21 | ultraviolet16 | xoz: i see knoppix has the 2.6 kernel.. should of gone with that in the first place. I just love dyne though |
| 15:56.33 | Area-51 | hmm, what package contains the 'fixed' font? im trying to run vncserver and it says "could not open default font 'fixed'" (debian testing) |
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| 15:56.57 | ma3x | how can i build custom kernel? |
| 15:57.05 | DoppelGanger | ma3x: carefully |
| 15:57.18 | Area-51 | ma3x: download the source, edit the config, then compile? |
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| 15:57.39 | ma3x | Area-51 : how do i compile? |
| 15:57.40 | romulo | the keyboard issue in latest update is already fixed |
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| 15:57.50 | Area-51 | ma3x: google.com |
| 15:57.58 | romulo | sorry i dont have the ? |
| 15:58.02 | romulo | im copying and pasting =P |
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| 15:58.35 | EdibleText | !tell ma3x about kp |
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| 15:59.11 | S4nD3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.12 | S4nD3r_ | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device. This was really working good, today stopped to work... how to solve it ??? |
| 15:59.32 | dockane | is there something which shows the the data transfer rate during a 'cp -a /mnt/hdx/* /mnt/hdy/' ? |
| 15:59.32 | Skrot | S4nD3r_: Is it a digital camera? Try -t vfat |
| 15:59.40 | positrix | how do i put this laptop into suspend-to-disk? |
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| 15:59.49 | Area-51 | i get "could not open default font 'fixed'" when trying to start vncserver, what do i need to install to fix this? (debian testing) |
| 15:59.55 | ma3x | EdibleText: first i download the source, then i configure the config |
| 16:00.02 | S4nD3r_ | Skrot, Is a digital camera, it was working with msdos |
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| 16:00.10 | S4nD3r_ | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/camera/ |
| 16:00.10 | ma3x | and then apt-get install "kernel-package" build-essential |
| 16:00.11 | S4nD3r_ | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
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| 16:00.17 | ma3x | what should be placed under kernel-package? |
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| 16:00.28 | ultraviolet16 | Let me extend the usb discussion here.. the external multi-reader I have here has two usb ports. one for another device, and one for the host computer. is there any way to hook up two computers through there, to network? |
| 16:00.35 | S4nD3r_ | The device /dev/sda1 its not working |
| 16:00.37 | rking | can someone with ohphone try chatting with me on 68.98.252.98/rking - if i get this set up i'll be a hero around work |
| 16:00.40 | Area-51 | ma3x: the kernel name and source... |
| 16:00.40 | ma3x | how to make apt build the package with my .config |
| 16:00.41 | S4nD3r_ | I dont know how to install it |
| 16:00.44 | Skrot | S4nD3r_: Try sdb1, sdc1 etc |
| 16:00.52 | Skrot | It changes some times, atleast mine does |
| 16:01.06 | S4nD3r_ | neither |
| 16:01.11 | basix | S4nD3r_: look at dmesg to see which drive has it been associateed with |
| 16:01.25 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, I got it. instead of putting the line "export" in the .bash_profile, I put it in .bashrc, is it because .bash_profile execute the .bashrc if it exists? |
| 16:01.34 | dockane | ultraviolet16, interesting idea ... |
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| 16:01.50 | rbochan | Area-51: read the FAQ http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/faq.html |
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| 16:02.03 | stew | !wikifaq PissedTrixBunny DotFiles |
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| 16:02.04 | dpkg | PissedTrixBunny: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:02.04 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: you might wanna review this ^^ |
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| 16:02.16 | superlinux | hi all |
| 16:02.20 | ultraviolet16 | dockane: care to give it a shot? =) |
| 16:02.22 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, thanks |
| 16:02.30 | positrix | what's the command for suspend-to-disk? |
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| 16:02.56 | superlinux | i have a Genius MousePen tablet i want it configured, so had it so? |
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| 16:03.36 | basix | how do i force a user to logout? |
| 16:03.42 | petemc | basix: slay |
| 16:03.49 | petemc | basix: or just kill their shell |
| 16:03.58 | basix | petemc: thanks :) |
| 16:04.02 | S4nD3r_ | scsi1 : sata_via |
| 16:04.02 | S4nD3r_ | scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices |
| 16:04.20 | basix | Petemc: i ran slay as root and it says command not found |
| 16:04.35 | rking | basix: apt-get install slay |
| 16:04.38 | dockane | ultraviolet16, i do not have any idea how you could manage that since i even haven't got a single idea how usb works nor i am developing software. |
| 16:04.39 | EdibleText | basix, you may have to install it |
| 16:04.39 | dockane | sorry |
| 16:05.03 | basix | EdibleText: yep. i am doing it now. is slay specific to debian"?? |
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| 16:05.25 | EdibleText | basix, dont know. typically i use kill |
| 16:05.41 | superlinux | just please.. did any one succeed to configure the MousePen? |
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| 16:06.28 | basix | EdibleText: yeah. me too but its cumbersome to find the user's processes and then kill each one by hand |
| 16:06.36 | basix | EdibleText: is it possible to use something like killall?? |
| 16:06.58 | zorzella | anyone can help me with LVM during sarge install? |
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| 16:07.04 | petemc | basix: pstree |
| 16:07.09 | EdibleText | basix, pstree -alp is for that. |
| 16:07.23 | EdibleText | is/is handy/ |
| 16:07.24 | davr | basix: you can do it with some combination of ps auxww|grep username|sed something|xargs kill |
| 16:07.32 | Eulex | basix, you *don't* wanna do something like killall bash |
| 16:07.55 | ^Blade | okay, i have some problems with my Voodoo 3 2000 and Debian/Sarge |
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| 16:08.03 | ^Blade | can anybody help ? |
| 16:08.08 | ma3x | where do i get the src of latest kernel for debian? |
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| 16:08.56 | rbochan | !tell ^Blade about drxx |
| 16:08.57 | ke6isf | ma3x: apt-cache search kernel-source. Pick one. |
| 16:09.11 | EdibleText | ma3x, apt-get install kernel-source; cd /usr/src/ |
| 16:09.20 | Maliuta | how about ftp.kernel.org |
| 16:09.37 | ke6isf | Maliuta: Why, when you can apt-get it? |
| 16:09.38 | basix | ok thanks |
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| 16:10.04 | wfq | hi |
| 16:10.14 | maruz | what was happen to libgmp3 in unstable? why package is missing? |
| 16:10.16 | Maliuta | ke6isf: because the sources in the repostory are seldom up-to-date |
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| 16:10.54 | ma3x | then after i build the package, i just dpkg -i package |
| 16:10.57 | ma3x | and it's done, right? |
| 16:11.04 | ke6isf | Maliuta: Fair enough if you don't account for backports, but I do recall for instance 2.6.11 borking Sarge. |
| 16:11.14 | wfq | i have problem con radeon 7000, kernel 2.4.25 or kernel 2.4.23 (debian) and dri--> I obtain one error in the /var/log/syslog as "drm error: unlock..." |
| 16:11.22 | zorzella | anyone! I'm stuck on sarge's install -- after configuring all my LVM partitions, none is showing as formatted, and I find no way of formatting or mounting them. The system will not let me proceed without a partion mounted as root... What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:11.48 | rking | Thanks everyone! |
| 16:11.50 | Eulex | ma3x, why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 16:11.52 | drac | wfq: 2.4.23 or 2.4.25 isn't even on debian stable, try debian kernel instead? |
| 16:11.57 | ^Blade | hrmh, there aren't any X server drivers for 3dfx |
| 16:11.58 | EdibleText | ke6isf, the kernal-source are patched |
| 16:11.59 | superlinux | i have a Genius MousePen tablet i want it configured, so had it so? |
| 16:12.01 | basix | thanks guys it worked :D |
| 16:12.02 | ^Blade | graphic cards. |
| 16:12.12 | Eulex | wfq, what exactly is the problem? |
| 16:12.15 | rbochan | ^Blade: I find that odd, considering I'm using one myself |
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| 16:12.18 | ke6isf | EdibleText: Yeah, that's what I thought. |
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| 16:12.46 | PeterB | !kernal |
| 16:12.46 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
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| 16:12.57 | ma3x | Eulex : top10 questions :) for faster boot times, smaller size, get rid of unnecessary modules |
| 16:13.06 | ^Blade | rbochan: glide sounds familiar but it didn't worked out. |
| 16:13.19 | rbochan | it's called tdfx |
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| 16:13.28 | ^Blade | oh.. |
| 16:13.28 | Eulex | ke6isf, 2.6.11 ain't in sarge |
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| 16:13.57 | ke6isf | Eulex: I know, but there have been recent cases of attempted compile and subsequent breakage in here. |
| 16:13.59 | ma3x | what was the stable name of the version before woody? |
| 16:14.04 | maruz | !libgmp3 |
| 16:14.16 | wfq | drac: I haven't probed the kernel debian... but is this the problem? |
| 16:14.18 | ke6isf | Eulex: Was pointing out to Maliuta. |
| 16:14.25 | Eulex | !find kernel-image oldstable |
| 16:14.29 | Eulex | ke6isf, ok |
| 16:15.13 | PeterB | ma3x: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 16:16.21 | ke6isf | zorzella: Where in the install process are you right now? |
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| 16:17.34 | EdibleText | maruz, do you need the -dev? for openswan perhaps? |
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| 16:18.03 | john_hackson | Im using surge . plz help me remove anti aliasing. |
| 16:18.17 | john_hackson | basically i would like fc-type fonts |
| 16:18.26 | zorzella | ke6isf, thanks for replying: I just found that if I hit "enter" on the SECOND line of each LVM partition, it allows me to create an FS, so I think I'm unstuck. Thanks again!! |
| 16:18.37 | ke6isf | zorzella: No problem. |
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| 16:18.45 | sml | Is there a way of finding out what's compiled into a kernel-image *without* first unpacking the deb and looking in the .config ? |
| 16:18.53 | AngryTrixBunnie | where do I get the "startup" file for fluxbox? |
| 16:18.57 | superlinux | PLAES I REALLY NEED HELP |
| 16:19.02 | superlinux | i have a Genius MousePen tablet i want it configured, so had it so? |
| 16:19.05 | stew | sml: ask someone else to send you their config? |
| 16:19.13 | badhen | HI. are there any servers where I can get amd64 packages that are still not in debian. I'm looking for libapache2-mod-fastcgi... |
| 16:19.16 | AngryTrixBunnie | I placed "exec /usr/bin/startfluxbox" in .xsession |
| 16:19.23 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 16:19.23 | dpkg | i heard repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 16:19.27 | sml | stew: So I guess that's a no then :) |
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| 16:19.48 | john_hackson | How to disable anti-aliasing in surge plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:19.56 | john_hackson | sargr* |
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| 16:20.04 | Ronin | somethign wrong with your keyboard there john_hackson ? |
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| 16:20.17 | john_hackson | actually i have lost control!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 16:20.21 | EdibleText | Ronin, pebkac |
| 16:20.31 | john_hackson | my eyes r paining now |
| 16:20.37 | ke6isf | !tell john_hackson -about typo |
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| 16:21.10 | ke6isf | john_hackson: If your eyes are hurting, you might want to get up from the terminal for a bit and rest them. |
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| 16:21.24 | Never2Far | I have 2 net. cards...after restarting the computer ..eth1 remains down ?!...any ideea ?! |
| 16:21.38 | john_hackson | ke6isf : plz help me out here |
| 16:21.51 | Eulex | john_hackson, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 16:21.52 | ke6isf | john_hackson: I'd love to, but I don't know the answer to the question. |
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| 16:22.03 | EdibleText | Never2Far, loaded the module? do you have a /etc/network/interfaces line for eth1? |
| 16:22.13 | basix | i installed webmin and it has only 5 modules: Change Language and Theme, Webmin Actions Log, Webmin Configuration, Webmin Servers Index, Webmin Users. Why aren't there any more modules? How do I add modules to it? Can i do it directly from webmin itself or do i need to use apt-get or something similar? |
| 16:22.15 | Never2Far | EdibleText nope |
| 16:22.30 | john_hackson | Eulex : i did that. but fonts r nowhere near to wat i had in fc2 |
| 16:22.31 | ke6isf | basix: apt-cache search webmin. Pick from the list and have fun. |
| 16:22.36 | EdibleText | Never2Far, on the first last or both [questions]? |
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| 16:22.42 | PeterB | !webmin |
| 16:22.43 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 16:22.49 | EdibleText | !pal basix |
| 16:22.50 | cire | I installed debian on my laptop, (2.4.20bf), compiled a new kernel image (2.6.12) and installed it. Everything works (pinging other machines, getting pinged by other machines, connect to other machines via ssh), but I cannot acces the laptop from another machine via ssh. I am asked to confirm the laptops key, but afterwards nothing happens... Booting the old 2.4.20bf kernel makes it work again. Do you have any suggestions? |
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| 16:23.04 | Eulex | ma3x, is the boot time of debian not good enough for you? a kernel compile will not make it start much faster. also you won't get more than a maximum of a meg or so more free memory by doing that, and "getting rid of unnessecary modules" is normally done by blacklisting them. also, there's quite a big chance that you forget stuff and have to recompile later on |
| 16:23.18 | ke6isf | basix: Unlike other distros, the webmin modules don't come all in one bundle, they come in a package per program. So you'll get webmin-postfix, webmin-bind, etc., etc., ad nauseam. |
| 16:23.22 | Never2Far | :EdibleText i don't have a line for eth1 in /etc/network/interface |
| 16:23.29 | Eulex | cire, define "nothing happens" |
| 16:23.30 | zulu42 | hi, I want my users could use sftp to get files from my box, currently I run sshd and it works but where do I configure in order they could not login to shell and be chrooted in their home dir? |
| 16:23.48 | PeterB | Never2Far: That's why it wasn't restored. Read man 5 interfaces. |
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| 16:23.49 | ke6isf | basix: That said, as dpkg suggests, webmin is deprecated. Not so much that it's lame, more so that it can easily hose your configs and ruin your whole day. =^^= |
| 16:24.00 | EdibleText | Never2Far, ok, and the module? does the card register during boot, for example. |
| 16:24.02 | Eulex | john_hackson, we can't help out if we don't know what you want to achieve |
| 16:24.08 | TheAsp | When building a package, is it possible to get the contents of a directory marked as a conffile using debhelper (or another method)? |
| 16:24.09 | basix | ke6isf: where do i download these modules? http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/webmin-core how about this? |
| 16:24.24 | cire | Eulex: I type "yes" for accepting it, and then nothing happens - no output, but ssh still running (no console) |
| 16:24.25 | asg | zulu42: try scponly or libpam-chroot |
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| 16:24.42 | zulu42 | asg in my sshd_config? |
| 16:24.44 | zorzella | ke6isf, if you don't mind me asking, now I've configured each LVM partition to use ReiserFS (except swap), and specified an appropriate mount point. Then I click on "Finish partitioning...", I am prompted to confirm, and the next page is a general error about formatting in ReiserFS... Any clue? |
| 16:24.48 | Never2Far | EdibleText i don't know ...how can i see if the card register during boot ?! |
| 16:24.52 | ke6isf | basix: webmin-core is a start. Like I previously noted, though, do 'apt-cache search webmin', pick what you need, then 'apt-get install $package $package' etc. |
| 16:24.53 | asg | zulu42: no, as in try those packages |
| 16:25.05 | zulu42 | ok thx :) |
| 16:25.06 | basix | ke6isf: ok |
| 16:25.13 | ma3x | Eulex how can you blacklist unnecessary modules? |
| 16:25.14 | john_hackson | Eulex : i want to improve the font visiblity in debian to match to fc2. |
| 16:25.15 | ke6isf | zorzella: Sounds familiar. Did you set up a separate partition for /boot? |
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| 16:25.18 | daffy-pkf | is there a good ressource on the web for music softwares? i'm looking for something like reason or fruity loops |
| 16:25.24 | Eulex | !tell ma3x about blacklist |
| 16:25.38 | rbochan | daffy-pkf: there was a recnt article on newsforge.com about such things |
| 16:25.40 | Eulex | john_hackson, "font visibility"? |
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| 16:25.50 | john_hackson | Eulex : i installed freetype n modified the XFree86 config file |
| 16:25.55 | zulu42 | asg but what if I want some users can continue shell login in ssh? |
| 16:26.06 | zorzella | keisf, there is a separate /boot LVM partition (the same physical volume as everything else, different logical volume) |
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| 16:26.19 | john_hackson | Eulex : the characters appear blunt. i want to increase sharpness |
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| 16:26.27 | asg | zulu42: scponly is an alternate shell. Just make it the default for users who should not log in. |
| 16:26.33 | ke6isf | zorzella: Semi important, how many partitions are you running on the device? |
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| 16:26.43 | zulu42 | oki |
| 16:26.50 | daffy-pkf | rbochan> i'll take a look at it |
| 16:27.00 | cire | doesn't have anybody an idea? I need this 2.6 kernel... |
| 16:27.02 | john_hackson | Eulex : Thers definitly a lot of diff between fonts in fc n debian |
| 16:27.03 | zorzella | ke6isf, 7, including swap |
| 16:27.06 | ConneXion | okay... I asked dpkg about java and read the 'java-package howto', but the sun java package I got doesn't have a .bin file in it.... which of the sun packages has the appropriate .bin file in it? |
| 16:27.14 | ke6isf | zorzella: OK. |
| 16:27.21 | asg | ConneXion: you download the .bin file from sun |
| 16:27.23 | zorzella | (all in the same VG) |
| 16:27.48 | ke6isf | zorzella: What I did of my four partitions was to have one as boot, one as /, one as /home, and one as swap. /boot in particular is about 25 MB and is formatted ext2. |
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| 16:27.51 | Slippy | :Q |
| 16:27.53 | Slippy | :q |
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| 16:27.56 | Slippy | arh |
| 16:28.00 | john_hackson | Eulex : True type better or Freetype ?? |
| 16:28.12 | ke6isf | zorzella: That said (somebody correct as necessary?), you might want to put /boot on a primary as well. |
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| 16:28.35 | ke6isf | zorzella: For all of my partitions, they are *all* primary - but I only have four, so there you go. |
| 16:28.39 | ConneXion | asg: yes I'm aware of that but when I go to the link that's on the howto, there are many j2se package choices... I have downloaded the jdk-1_5_0-bin-scsl.zip and the jdk-1_5_0-src-scsl.zip packages, but nothing contains a bin file ??? |
| 16:28.47 | rbochan | daffy-pkf: I'm not exactly sure when it was |
| 16:28.53 | asg | ConneXion: https://jsecom16d.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=FF42D79A115E5843194A7D635171EC0F |
| 16:29.05 | Eulex | john_hackson, eh? true type is a font format, freetype is a font renderer that can render text with for example such fonts |
| 16:29.12 | zorzella | ke6isf, you mean /boot should not be in the LVM? BTW, the boot as ext2 rings a bell! Let me see if that's the problem! |
| 16:29.12 | ConneXion | thanks |
| 16:29.14 | ConneXion | :) |
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| 16:29.23 | asg | ConneXion: that might not work due to the SESSIONID but you get the idea |
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| 16:29.44 | ke6isf | zorzella: Whether /boot should not be onthe logical is unknown, but you don't really need a journaling FS for /boot anyway. |
| 16:30.06 | daffy-pkf | rbochan> well... i can't find anything |
| 16:30.07 | ConneXion | it works :) thanks |
| 16:30.27 | ConneXion | too many available package types from sun lol |
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| 16:30.42 | asg | ConneXion: all you need it the Linux Self Extracting option (it comes as a .bin) |
| 16:30.49 | asg | s/it the/is the/ |
| 16:30.50 | ConneXion | yeah downloading it now... |
| 16:30.58 | doub | zorzella: it's way easier to have /boot outside of LVM, as grub doesn't have to know about it. and guess what? it already doesn't |
| 16:31.01 | zorzella | ke6isf, bingo!!! yeah, now I remember -- ReiserFS needs more space than what we usually put on /boot... Maybe one should be prevented from choosing it if there's not enough space... The error is very cryptic, now. I think I'll file a bug |
| 16:31.24 | joe_doe | how do i check current kernel version from console? |
| 16:31.30 | ConneXion | on a different note, does anyone know the gnutella server that limewire uses? |
| 16:31.34 | Eulex | john_hackson, also, if you're running a DE, there's a big chance you have to configure the font from within the DE |
| 16:31.38 | Eulex | joe_doe, uname -r |
| 16:31.42 | joe_doe | thanks |
| 16:31.46 | ke6isf | zorzella: It's a bug, but not a critical bug - it can *easily* be worked around and only prevents formatting the partition otherwise. |
| 16:31.46 | ConneXion | and is there anything that would prevent another gnutella client from using it? |
| 16:31.48 | doub | zorzella: but you *can* have /boot on lvm if you really wish so, it's a bit tricky, but possible |
| 16:31.54 | john_hackson | Eulex : i m running fvwm |
| 16:32.09 | zorzella | doub, you're saying grub won't like it if /boot is inside the LVM? Won't it just figure out the disk offset to each kernel image, and not care a bit about LVM? |
| 16:32.11 | doub | zorzella: never went to such an extreme, though |
| 16:32.39 | ufoalien | Eulex: sound card works greate, but ricoh doesn't give me any information of their products :( |
| 16:32.45 | doub | zorzella: that would be true for lilo, but still, it has to know about how the partitions are organized |
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| 16:33.26 | doub | zorzella: which it doesn't. grub on the other side accesses file systems just like the kernel, searches for files and such |
| 16:33.27 | Eulex | john_hackson, ok, I don't think that thing can control any font -- I'm running xfce right now, and it seems to be a little limited in the control panel what I can do with non-antialiased fonts -- I'll run fluxbox in xnest |
| 16:33.35 | zorzella | doub, I'm already past that -- I'll see where it blows... If I need, I'll restart install from scratch :^< |
| 16:33.44 | Eulex | ufoalien, oh -- they stated any reason? |
| 16:33.58 | zth_ | is there a application like netlimiter for windows that can limit the bandwidth to a specifik application? console-app pls, gonna use to my server |
| 16:34.10 | doub | zorzella: but there's no LVM support for grub afaik |
| 16:34.10 | tirkal | I log on a development server, and I want to be able to keep the sesssion, close the connection and get back to it later. how do I do that? |
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| 16:34.18 | zorzella | doub, and, would you know, how is it more tricky to get grub to see the LVM? |
| 16:34.25 | asg | tirkal: screen |
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| 16:34.35 | tirkal | asg: thanks, I'll look it up. |
| 16:34.51 | ufoalien | Eulex: no, I think they have some windows-only-convention with microsof |
| 16:34.52 | ke6isf | !tell tirkal -about screen |
| 16:34.59 | doub | zorzella: that would require implementing LVM support for grub, as much as for linux. i guess they won't do such a thing soon |
| 16:35.09 | tirkal | ke6isf: thanks |
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| 16:35.19 | zorzella | doub, the installer tried to set up lilo (should it have tried grub?) and it failed... Back to partitioning! |
| 16:35.25 | Eulex | ufoalien, ugh |
| 16:35.34 | joe_doe | now let's see if 2.4.27 is any better then 2.4.18 |
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| 16:35.44 | ke6isf | zorzella: You're using sarge, right? |
| 16:35.45 | doub | zorzella: of course, neither lilo nor grub handles LVM |
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| 16:36.10 | zorzella | ke6isf, yeah, I'm just giving the sarge installer a spin for my new box |
| 16:36.25 | ke6isf | I thought sarge installed grub by default? |
| 16:36.27 | ufoalien | Eulex: real life sucks ;) |
| 16:36.32 | john_hackson | Eulex : but wat is it that redhat guys use that their font looks so clean/good? |
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| 16:36.43 | doub | zorzella: that's because it's trickier than a regular partition, there are levels of indirection to take care of, not to mention file system fragmentation |
| 16:37.09 | ke6isf | !redhatsmite john_hackson |
| 16:37.35 | foo_s4g | Is there a .deb package that will allow all stderr to be written to a generel system file? I dont think putting >out.log >2>&1 is a proper solution. |
| 16:37.58 | doub | john_hackson: because it's already set up for you, maybe? if you want redhat, install redhat. debian has other advantages over it |
| 16:38.04 | Eulex | john_hackson, I dunno, I always use antialiased fonts |
| 16:38.22 | Chris-- | dpkg: and that right there is one huge reason why im anti-redhat |
| 16:38.23 | dpkg | Chris--: okay |
| 16:38.26 | asg | foo_s4g: that's why shell scripting was invented. |
| 16:38.34 | Chris-- | renew fucking support contract |
| 16:38.40 | asg | foo_s4g: it is most certainly the Unix Way (tm) |
| 16:38.42 | sml | foo_s4g: apart from actually modifying the stdio library or using "tee"... |
| 16:38.42 | Chris-- | this is fucking linux for chrissakes!! |
| 16:38.43 | EdibleText | !and that right there |
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| 16:38.57 | EdibleText | ! and that right there |
| 16:38.57 | dpkg | i guess and that right there is one huge reason why im anti-redhat |
| 16:38.57 | ke6isf | Chris--: dpkg is a bot. |
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| 16:39.03 | john_hackson | doub : i know debian is much better than rh. but having spend 3 yrs there i m accustomed to that fonts |
| 16:39.05 | Chris-- | i saw that after i said that one line |
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| 16:39.18 | john_hackson | doub : that apart fonts in debian needs some attentin |
| 16:39.29 | asg | john_hackson: then start attentin |
| 16:39.31 | doub | john_hackson: it's not better, it's different. different needs, different answers. |
| 16:39.37 | gobject | Why bacula not use 100MB at my zip disk, use just 85 MB? |
| 16:40.04 | doub | john_hackson: everything in debian needs some attention. that's why it's good |
| 16:40.15 | EdibleText | !forget and that right there |
| 16:40.15 | dpkg | EdibleText: i forgot and that right there |
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| 16:40.19 | doub | john_hackson: because noone chooses what's right or wrong for you |
| 16:40.28 | joe_doe | another question can I set the load order of modules at boot? |
| 16:40.34 | joe_doe | erm, I mean daemons |
| 16:40.48 | Chris-- | silly question for ya |
| 16:40.49 | asg | joe_doe: yes, look in /etc/rcX.d |
| 16:40.50 | sml | joe_doe: yes. its the SX, KX where X is the order |
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| 16:41.00 | doub | joe_doe: see the debian-reference |
| 16:41.02 | joe_doe | smaller is first? |
| 16:41.04 | Chris-- | the java plugin for firefox isnt self installing, but instead its a damned .bin file |
| 16:41.06 | sml | joe_doe: yah. |
| 16:41.09 | asg | joe_doe: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 16:41.10 | ke6isf | joe_doe: Yep. |
| 16:41.11 | sml | joe_doe: use update-rc.d though |
| 16:41.12 | joe_doe | thanks :) |
| 16:41.17 | Chris-- | how do i install this plugin from that .bin file? |
| 16:41.25 | asg | Chris--: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 16:41.30 | Schiz0 | Chris--- just execute it. |
| 16:41.34 | asg | Chris--: /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 16:41.44 | Schiz0 | give it executeable permissinons, and then ./java.bin or whatever |
| 16:41.53 | sml | Well 15 minutes to go then I'm going to play cricket then go down the pub. |
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| 16:41.58 | Schiz0 | or just read the docs on the java site. Worked perfectly when I did it. |
| 16:41.59 | asg | sml: bastard! :) |
| 16:42.00 | ke6isf | Chris--: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:42.04 | sml | asg: :) |
| 16:42.07 | asg | !pubtime |
| 16:42.07 | dpkg | pubtime is probably time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 16:42.16 | EdibleText | Never2Far, dmesg |grep eth; ifconfig -a |
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| 16:42.41 | doub | asg: 3pm? that's when you wake up at 2:30pm in the morning? |
| 16:42.46 | Never2Far | EdibleText 1 moment pls |
| 16:42.56 | asg | doub: no, that's when I leave work |
| 16:43.07 | john_hackson | doub : native or autohinter ? from apt-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 16:43.37 | doub | john_hackson: i don't quite know. there are several howtos about debian font configuration, google for them |
| 16:43.57 | monteiro | when is xorg available for etch, anyone knows ? |
| 16:44.06 | ke6isf | !tell monteiro -about xorg |
| 16:44.07 | rbochan | wir |
| 16:44.11 | doub | asg: work? what's that? can one eat that? |
| 16:44.20 | monteiro | ke6isf : tks |
| 16:44.27 | ke6isf | soitenly. |
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| 16:44.47 | ke6isf | doub: No, but it *helps* you eat. =^_^= |
| 16:44.56 | asg | doub: work is a pointer to food. |
| 16:44.56 | jepeltw_ | Hello all. I'm trying to boot my Testing system from a USB drive. GRUB loads and the kernel loads, but the kernel does not seem to pick up the hard drive and will not boot with root=/dev/hda2 |
| 16:45.30 | doub | ke6isf: oooh i see. maybe that's what i need. where can i get some? ;) |
| 16:45.44 | Eulex | jepeltw_, and that is the right device name? |
| 16:45.48 | aidehua | jepeltw_: if it's an SATA drive, it might show up as /dev/sda2 (and that goes for anything other sort of hard disk that is accessed as a SCSI disk[1]) |
| 16:45.52 | ke6isf | !tell doub -about work |
| 16:45.52 | aidehua | [1] e.g. a SCSI disk |
| 16:46.17 | ke6isf | The want-ads are your friend, doub. =^^= |
| 16:46.19 | jepeltw_ | aidehua: it's not SATA |
| 16:46.30 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: Curious, what's on /dev/hda1? |
| 16:46.30 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: there are no other SCSI or USB drives plugged in |
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| 16:46.36 | jepeltw_ | ke6isf: nothinbg |
| 16:46.45 | jepeltw_ | ke6isf: I removed the hard drive and put it in an enclosure |
| 16:47.05 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: How's the disk mounted then? |
| 16:47.10 | aidehua | jepeltw_: it might be plugged into a different IDE controller perhaps? (Therefore showing up as /dev/hdc2?) |
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| 16:47.33 | doub | ke6isf: this thing is way too complicated for me. i'm a noob to work, you know |
| 16:47.40 | jepeltw_ | ke6isf: The BIOS makes it look like a hard drive to Grub, but when the kernel takes over, the only IDE device it esees is the CDROM on /dev/hdc |
| 16:47.57 | doub | ke6isf: why the hell isn't there a 'work' package? 'apt-get install work' doesn't give anything valuable |
| 16:48.09 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: To rephrase, how's it connected to the computer? |
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| 16:48.18 | ke6isf | doub: I think a package named 'work' would be redundant, actaully. |
| 16:48.24 | jepeltw_ | ke6isf: USB 2.0 and a USB->IDE adapter |
| 16:48.26 | ke6isf | doub: Deb already does, after all. |
| 16:48.38 | Eulex | jepeltw_, try some /dev/sdXN |
| 16:48.40 | doub | ke6isf: of course |
| 16:48.50 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: I'll bet money that it'll show up as a scsi device, as Eulex points out. |
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| 16:50.12 | jepeltw_ | trying sdb now... |
| 16:50.14 | Eulex | jepeltw_, linux mostly doesn't care what the bios says -- if the bios tries to make the usb stick/drive look like an ide drive, that will probably not fool linux |
| 16:50.38 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: it's not fooled |
| 16:50.51 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: as I said, Linux only sees the CDROM as an IDE device, no other IDE devices |
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| 16:51.17 | jepeltw_ | ok, the error I get is "VFS: Cannot open root device "sdb2" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 16:51.20 | Eulex | jepeltw_, as I said |
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| 16:51.47 | Eulex | jepeltw_, might be sda |
| 16:51.53 | jepeltw_ | the kernel isn't saying anything about any SCSI devices actually |
| 16:51.54 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: Figure this, I can only put the IDE device containing my /boot in,, and Linux magically finds the other disks in my system. |
| 16:51.55 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: tried sda |
| 16:52.05 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: QED, Linux tends to bypass BIOS. |
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| 16:52.32 | jepeltw_ | ke6isf: yes, that's why it's not showing up as IDE |
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| 16:53.00 | jepeltw_ | If the kernel was seeing the drive, shouldn't there be a message about sdXN somewhere in the boot messages? |
| 16:53.08 | Eulex | jepeltw_, sure you're trying the right partition? |
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| 16:53.29 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: yes, my GRUB config points to hda2 normally so I know it's the 2nd partition |
| 16:53.54 | terravolt | if i have multiple ips and i connect a bot to irc on my server it uses a random ip, can i lock it down to one single IP address? |
| 16:54.03 | zth_ | anyone using apache::asp here? is it working as it should? |
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| 16:54.14 | jepeltw_ | terravolt: the bot may have an option to bind to a certain IP address |
| 16:54.26 | terravolt | jepeltw_ its my own perl bot -__- |
| 16:54.51 | jepeltw_ | terravolt: then you'll have to make it bind to the right IP yourself, I have no idea how |
| 16:54.57 | terravolt | ok i'll ask in perl chan |
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| 16:56.06 | Chris-- | i need a site that uses java |
| 16:56.17 | pablum | terravolt, perldoc -f bind |
| 16:56.18 | Chris-- | who knows of one off the top of their head? |
| 16:56.21 | asg | Chris--: java.sun.com probably uses some java somewhere |
| 16:56.25 | Schiz0 | Chris--- java.com |
| 16:56.31 | Chris-- | well shit |
| 16:56.36 | Chris-- | that just makes too much sense |
| 16:56.40 | Chris-- | o_O |
| 16:56.49 | asg | Chris--: then again, sun is probably using flash so ymmv |
| 16:57.09 | jepeltw_ | www.newspeakdictionary.com |
| 16:57.13 | jepeltw_ | entire navbar in java |
| 16:57.19 | asg | ewwww |
| 16:57.27 | jepeltw_ | well, one version |
| 16:57.30 | jepeltw_ | you can have a non java version |
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| 16:58.00 | jepeltw_ | hmm, this is interesting. It looks like the BIOS isn't letting go of the drive in time for the kernel to pick it up |
| 16:58.04 | terravolt | hmm pablum thx i will need to do something that changes it on POE::Component::IRC |
| 16:58.08 | ConneXion | hey make-jpkg is saying no matching plugin was found.... ?? |
| 16:58.09 | Draconicus | Is there a way to run ntpdate as user without sudo? |
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| 16:58.20 | jepeltw_ | if I disconnect and reconnect it, the kernel doesn't have time to register it before it mounts / |
| 16:58.25 | asg | Draconicus: what's wrong with sudo? |
| 16:58.32 | Draconicus | asg: Too much work. :P |
| 16:58.44 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Why ntpdate, and not ntpd? |
| 16:58.47 | asg | Draconicus: alias nd='sudo ntpdate...' |
| 16:58.51 | jepeltw_ | Draconicus: setuid it then |
| 16:58.59 | asg | Draconicus: learn to use that shell |
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| 16:59.53 | ke6isf | Draconicus: That said, in crontab: 0 * * * * ntpdate [options] |
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| 17:00.37 | Draconicus | Where is the permission list file for sudo? |
| 17:00.42 | asg | Draconicus: visudo |
| 17:00.43 | FuzzyLogic | i got an ati all in wonder card with tv out debian amd64 sarge with drivers installed, i get the tv out to work with my desktop, but it will not display movies to the tv, it just shows a black area, any suggestion? |
| 17:00.52 | MrBallZ | Hi guyz, i fux00red my xserver settings, trying to upgrade from xfree to xorg, using a guide that involved using a ubuntu repository to get the .deb's from, i can use command line perfectly but the damn modules arent loading for my vid card, actually the problem started before I upgraded to xorg, i have a intel 810 , what can i do ... i have 2.6.2-8 =) |
| 17:00.58 | asg | Draconicus: better to use that than edit the list manually. |
| 17:01.05 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 17:01.08 | asg | Draconicus: man 5 sudoers (for the skinny) |
| 17:01.15 | drac | FuzzyLogic: Change Video-Output to "gl" or "x11" |
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| 17:01.34 | drac | FuzzyLogic: Or fix XVideo Overlay on TV-Out (That's where the problem is) |
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| 17:02.27 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, I know .... but the guide i was using was " good " :P |
| 17:02.27 | Draconicus | Goddamnit, I was hoping I could do this quickly. -_- |
| 17:02.42 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Evidently not. =^_^= Which version of Deb are you using? |
| 17:02.54 | Lumination | can anybody help me out with a make-jpkg problem? I am getting no matching plugin found messages.... |
| 17:03.06 | MrBallZ | Sarge |
| 17:03.22 | drac | Lumination: What file are you trying to process with it? |
| 17:03.23 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Well, they *just* put xorg into Sid. You do the math. |
| 17:03.33 | Draconicus | Hmm. Is there a way to simply configure ntpdate to update on a regular basis from a specific server? |
| 17:03.34 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, Sarge, and the also fucked up thing is that still having the ubuntu repository on my sources.list, i did and apt-get upgrade =( |
| 17:03.35 | FuzzyLogic | drac: thanks |
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| 17:03.41 | Lumination | jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
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| 17:04.11 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Might want to take out the Ubuntu repository. That said, the answer is still "Ubuntu is not Debian". |
| 17:04.23 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Mixing, as near as I can tell, is inadviseable. |
| 17:04.32 | Lumination | oops... I think I know my dumbass mistake.. |
| 17:04.34 | smhar | so x.org is in experimental or unstable now.. any idea when we can expected it in testing? |
| 17:04.37 | Lumination | jre is what I need, eh? |
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| 17:04.45 | ke6isf | smhar: unstable. |
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| 17:04.49 | ke6isf | !xorg |
| 17:04.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
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| 17:05.00 | drac | Lumination: JRE (Runtime Enviroment) if you just want to run Java programs and not develop ones. |
| 17:05.03 | Draconicus | Wait... |
| 17:05.03 | drac | Lumination: www.java.com -> |
| 17:05.10 | Draconicus | Xorg is superior to Xfree86? |
| 17:05.12 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, yes , i'm living that " inadviseable" part , now i want to repair it .. what could be the best solution ???? |
| 17:05.14 | drac | Draconicus: Yes. |
| 17:05.18 | Draconicus | ...Oh. |
| 17:05.20 | Draconicus | :P |
| 17:05.26 | Antinomy | guys, can anyone help me with a partition/resize question? |
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| 17:05.43 | Lumination | thanks... I hate it when I answer my own question too late... |
| 17:05.45 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Not sure. Never had to deal with that before, fortunately. Might start by removing the ubuntu repository from the sources.list. |
| 17:05.51 | smhar | Antinomy, shoot |
| 17:05.56 | FuzzyLogic | Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" |
| 17:05.58 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, done , removed it ... |
| 17:06.06 | hyde | Lumination: try export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i386-linux and rerunning make-jpkg |
| 17:06.09 | FuzzyLogic | that the line your refering to? |
| 17:06.14 | smhar | and wait for answers |
| 17:06.15 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, should i run deborphan or something like that ? o apt-get clean ? |
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| 17:06.23 | drac | FuzzyLogic: No, that's GL, is there something about XV ? |
| 17:06.33 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Give it a shot. No warranty here, though. |
| 17:06.40 | FuzzyLogic | Option "VideoOverlay" "on" |
| 17:06.45 | FuzzyLogic | thats the line for the Xv |
| 17:06.58 | Antinomy | smhar: ok, thanks. I want to resize hda1 from 60 to 20 GB. I start install, select Hda partition 1, then I come to a screen with the size on it. I select size, hit enter, and instead of asking me for a new size, it takes me to THIS screen: |
| 17:07.02 | drac | FuzzyLogic: D'uh oh, weird, well I guess it won't do much harm to try "off" there. |
| 17:07.03 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Also get rid of all traces of xorg. If I were me, I'd uninstall everything graphical and install from scratch. |
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| 17:07.16 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Rephrase, install X from scratch. |
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| 17:07.24 | FuzzyLogic | :( |
| 17:07.33 | funkyHat | "before the resize takes place, the changes have to be written do disk...write the changes and resize? Yes, No" |
| 17:07.40 | Antinomy | smhar: Before the resize op takes place, the changes have to be written to disk. Write the changes to disk and resize the partition? Y,N |
| 17:07.46 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, ok, so is there a guide or how to on uninstalling every X thing ? |
| 17:07.59 | Antinomy | smhar: But i havent specified the new size yet! does that come nest? |
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| 17:08.01 | Antinomy | next? |
| 17:08.08 | Antinomy | funkyHat: :) |
| 17:08.31 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 17:08.31 | dpkg | from memory, remove xf4 is apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 17:08.44 | funkyHat | this shows up before entering a new size for a partition? is this right? |
| 17:08.47 | Antinomy | yes |
| 17:08.50 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: What dpkg said. Thanks, Valdyn. |
| 17:08.58 | funkyHat | hehehe, cool :) |
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| 17:09.04 | valdyn | MrBallZ: probably xorg-common for x org |
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| 17:09.40 | smhar | Antinomy, first. you should always have a backup of important files somewhere. second what fileystem is this |
| 17:09.46 | Antinomy | Done |
| 17:09.51 | Antinomy | filesystem? |
| 17:09.52 | MrBallZ | valdyn, thanks i ll try that |
| 17:10.01 | Antinomy | I've backed everything up |
| 17:10.09 | smhar | antgel, /filesystem/ |
| 17:10.13 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, thanks also ... ill try and see what happens, then after that ill just reinstall xfree right ? |
| 17:10.20 | PissedTrixBunny | how do I get a startup file for fluxbox? |
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| 17:10.42 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Yep. Install xfree and whatever else you want with it. |
| 17:10.42 | hacim | anyone know where I can find what the single characters on the left-hand side of an aptitude search result mean? |
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| 17:10.49 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Aptitude is your friend here. |
| 17:10.58 | Antinomy | smhar: will it ask me for the size after I say yes on this screen? |
| 17:11.01 | ke6isf | hacim: The help file in aptitude, natch. |
| 17:11.19 | Antinomy | or am i just resizing to 60 GB which is what the original partition was? |
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| 17:11.36 | hacim | ke6isf: ah, I usually dont use the curses interface, thanks |
| 17:11.43 | ^Blade | how can i modify for example: htddp.conf with my normal account ? |
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| 17:12.11 | ^Blade | atm, i can't eved delete files |
| 17:12.12 | ke6isf | ^Blade: sudo $editor $filename |
| 17:12.15 | smhar | Antinomy, from the message you recieved, it seems you have changed something.. didyou changed the filesystem type? |
| 17:12.17 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, aptitude is only for graphical mode isn't it ? |
| 17:12.23 | joe_doe | no |
| 17:12.28 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: No, that's synaptic. Aptitude is curses. |
| 17:12.29 | Antinomy | no, i don't know what that is. |
| 17:12.40 | Antinomy | smhar: I made no changes |
| 17:13.02 | Eulex | jepeltw_, I seem to recall that there's a kernel boot option that makes the kernel wait a few second until mounting the root fs, maybe that will help? also, would it be possible to turn off that feature that makes the bios simulate the drive as an ide drive? |
| 17:13.17 | Antinomy | smhar: I thought that if I picked "size" and hit enter, it would ask me for the new size. |
| 17:13.29 | Lumination | D'OH! |
| 17:13.33 | Lumination | same error with the jre |
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| 17:13.37 | hyde | Lumination: try export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i386-linux and rerunning make-jpkg |
| 17:13.38 | MrBallZ | ke6isf, ok, thanks a lot , ill start checking it out |
| 17:13.41 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: I can turn off USB booting in the BIOS |
| 17:13.43 | Lumination | j |
| 17:13.45 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Gladly. Good luck. |
| 17:13.46 | Lumination | k even |
| 17:13.48 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: but then I'd need to get a kernel from somewhere else |
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| 17:14.07 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: Curious, why is the disk in an enclosure? |
| 17:14.19 | jepeltw_ | ke6isf: heat problems with the laptop |
| 17:14.22 | Lumination | do I need quotes? |
| 17:14.26 | ke6isf | jepeltw_: OK, makes sense. |
| 17:14.31 | henrik-_ | Hi People, i have a problem while upgrading to X.Org. My Keyboard can't use with the Alt-Buttons and i does not have any idea how to change it. My Keyboardlayout is set to XkbRules = xorg, XkbModel = pc105, XkbLayout = de and XkbOptions = nodeadkeys. X.Org is from unstable Tree and the Version 6.8.2, anyone has an idea and can help me? ;-( |
| 17:14.33 | hyde | Lumination: sure put them in |
| 17:14.36 | Lumination | aight |
| 17:14.45 | hacim | q/win 5 |
| 17:14.49 | ke6isf | henrik-_: What version of deb are you using? |
| 17:14.50 | Eulex | jepeltw_, maybe boot from a floppy in some way? |
| 17:14.54 | smhar | Antinomy, btw.. you are reinstalling just to change the size or you really want to reinstall |
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| 17:15.08 | Chris-- | well now |
| 17:15.14 | henrik-_ | ke6isf: I mixed it with testing and unstable |
| 17:15.16 | Lumination | genius |
| 17:15.22 | Chris-- | i just learned the hard way you cant be within a filesystem you're trying to umount |
| 17:15.25 | Chris-- | makes sense |
| 17:15.27 | jepeltw_ | Eulex: I'll try with this Slackware boot floppy I have handy |
| 17:15.38 | henrik-_ | ke6isf: you think i had forget some packages to upgrade too? ;-) |
| 17:15.39 | RProgrammer | How do I install the KDE libs, without overwriting Gnome as my desktop? |
| 17:15.41 | jepeltw_ | Chris--: I've done that so many times I've lost count |
| 17:15.48 | Chris-- | heh |
| 17:16.01 | Antinomy | smhar: 60 GB AMD running windows. I am resizing windows partition, and adding partitions for linux boot and fat32 fileshare partition. But I don't want to resize the windows part unless it is going to ask me what the new size should be! |
| 17:16.04 | jepeltw_ | RProgrammer: is this for a certain program? |
| 17:16.06 | Chris-- | its one of those "DDDUUUUHHHHHHH" moments |
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| 17:16.07 | Lumination | hyde: you should be cautious, I get jealous of people as smart as you hehe |
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| 17:16.14 | Chris-- | fuckit |
| 17:16.18 | Chris-- | imma go to work now |
| 17:16.20 | smhar | Chris--, even if you not in it, you must also not have any open files from it |
| 17:16.22 | ke6isf | henrik-_: Don't know. I don't know unstable, and I won't touch xorg since it's just been put into unstable. |
| 17:16.26 | RProgrammer | jepeltw_: Many |
| 17:16.30 | hyde | Lumination: not smart, just that i've run into that before |
| 17:16.41 | jepeltw_ | RProgrammer: then just let apt pull in the needed libs |
| 17:16.44 | ^Blade | hrmh |
| 17:17.07 | ^Blade | gah, i want to modify my user account so i can delete files and such |
| 17:17.14 | smhar | Antinomy, so the 60gb partition is what fat32 or ntfs |
| 17:17.17 | RProgrammer | jepeltw_: ok, i'll try, but I thought it said it wanted to pull in the whole thing |
| 17:17.24 | ke6isf | ^Blade: Do you have root access on that machine? |
| 17:17.25 | Antinomy | smhar: ntfs |
| 17:17.30 | shingouz | henrik-_: i am guessing your system will bork a few times before xorg gets a bit more stable. mixing sid is not a good idea |
| 17:17.34 | ^Blade | yeah |
| 17:17.45 | ke6isf | ^Blade: Then 'su -' and plug in a password. Easy peasy. |
| 17:17.48 | Eulex | henrik-_, run xev and see if it can receive events for that key -- also... as shingouz said |
| 17:18.01 | smhar | Antinomy, I am not sure if debian installer can resize an ntfs partitionsafely |
| 17:18.23 | henrik-_ | Eulex: Yes it receive signals from the AltGR Button |
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| 17:18.34 | resiak | RProgrammer: Are you using Sid? |
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| 17:19.02 | Antinomy | smhar: ok thanks |
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| 17:19.11 | jepeltw_ | hmm |
| 17:19.12 | ke6isf | ^Blade: The reason you can't rm files like that as a user is the same one you don't want regular users just rm'ing files (safety). If you *really* want that functionality, look at sudoers/visudo or put your userid in the root group. |
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| 17:19.32 | Eulex | henrik-_, did it have the right keysym? |
| 17:19.35 | barry | Antinomy: I think QtParted can do such, bur it's not extremely safe |
| 17:19.37 | ^Blade | ke6isf: yeah i know the su thing.. but can't i modify them on window-system ? |
| 17:19.39 | RProgrammer | resiak: One sec, I'm doing what jepeltw_ suggested |
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| 17:20.06 | resiak | *shrug* You could have typed "yes" or "no" in less time than it took to type that. |
| 17:20.09 | smhar | Antinomy, if not then if you have access to patition magic or any other partitioning program, use it and make to resize the c: and leave the extra 40GB unpartitioned for the debian installer |
| 17:20.26 | henrik-_ | Eulex: I have no idea, which keysym it musst have |
| 17:20.32 | ke6isf | ^Blade: Maybe, dunno. You should be able to if you're part of the wheel as such. |
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| 17:20.46 | jepeltw_ | ok, I give up. Thanks for all the help guys |
| 17:20.56 | ke6isf | ^Blade: There's a *slight* chance you'll have to re-login, but I kinda doubt that. |
| 17:21.06 | shingouz | ^Blade: if you need to rm some files belonging to root, go root and do *not* add yourself to the group root. the whole point of file permissions is to keep the system stable, not allow random users to hack on everything. also, please *please* take that annoying caret off your nick, it is a pain in the ass to type |
| 17:21.15 | smhar | Antinomy, another option is to use a live cd such as knoppix, but I am not sure it will do an ntfs as it is debian based |
| 17:21.20 | Eulex | henrik-_, mine has: keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift |
| 17:21.26 | ke6isf | ^Blade: What shingouz said. |
| 17:21.28 | jepeltw_ | knoppix comes with captive |
| 17:21.29 | resiak | smhar, Antinomy: I'm pretty sure that d-i can resize ntfs. If it can't, then use SystemRescueCD, which definitely can. |
| 17:21.49 | yac | some Makefile.am needs automake 1.5, but I can't find package for it, what should I do ? And, when I hace more automake versions installed (1.5 and 1.7) ho do I chose which version is used ? |
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| 17:22.28 | henrik-_ | Eulex: my has keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch, how i can change it? |
| 17:23.27 | Eulex | yac, try all of the versions in debian - 1.4, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8 or 1.9 -- and see if any of them work |
| 17:23.33 | Eulex | henrik-_, I'm not sure |
| 17:24.00 | Eulex | henrik-_, setkeycodes maybe? |
| 17:24.18 | henrik-_ | any point to hold it will help ;) i am To end my latin |
| 17:24.36 | Eulex | henrik-_, does the key work in a console |
| 17:24.37 | RProgrammer | jepeltw_: Seems like it's working, it says it only pulled in the kdelib packages, from now on, I'll read the dependencies more carefully |
| 17:24.37 | RProgrammer | thanks |
| 17:25.24 | henrik-_ | Eulex: Yes it works into my Console on all TTY ;) But not in X... under XFree few Hours ago it has run all fine ;) so i think its a problem in x.org |
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| 17:27.03 | Eulex | henrik-_, seems like that -- you could google for something like set keysym X or wrong keysym X |
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| 17:27.58 | ke6isf | Oh, lovely, more explosions in UK. Fortunately they were only detonators... |
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| 17:28.03 | barry | ok, I reinstalled Debian because I messed something up. I can't get X to display more than 800x600, even though it could handle 1280x1024 before I had to reinstall |
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| 17:28.16 | resiak | !drxx barry |
| 17:28.17 | dpkg | barry: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 17:28.23 | ke6isf | barry: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:28.25 | barry | done that |
| 17:28.34 | barry | and it doesn't change the config file at all |
| 17:28.37 | resiak | !tell barry -about xmd5 |
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| 17:29.23 | Eulex | barry, have you selected the resolutions you want with spacebar and not just pressed enter on the one you want (common pebkac) |
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| 17:30.03 | barry | Eulex: I did select the resolutions |
| 17:30.25 | Eulex | barry, then you should read what resiak told you |
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| 17:30.30 | resiak | barry: Did you read what dpkg just told you? |
| 17:30.42 | barry | resiak: yeah |
| 17:30.56 | resiak | barry: Did you do as he said? |
| 17:31.12 | barry | resiak: I'm working in naim, so it's slow |
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| 17:31.22 | resiak | !dict naim |
| 17:31.24 | dpkg | could not find definition for naim |
| 17:31.40 | ke6isf | resiak: Console AIM client. |
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| 17:32.23 | PeterB | !beer resiak |
| 17:32.29 | resiak | :) |
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| 17:33.06 | Skiver | hi there, is there any application to monitor network activity, connection in and out to my local ip? |
| 17:33.15 | ke6isf | Skiver: iptraf |
| 17:33.17 | bobw | anyone know of the best Stegenography application? |
| 17:33.19 | doub | an apt-proxy related question : is it possible to modify what the apt-* says about a package origin? i have both debian main and marillat on apt-proxy, so apt-get only says 'http://localhost etch/main' as an origin, which is not much of a problem, but trying to deal with conflicting deps in marillat and main, with 'apt-cache policy' yelds the same source for both 'http://localhost etch/main' |
| 17:33.19 | ke6isf | !iptraf skiver |
| 17:33.29 | PeterB | After seeing some DebConf photos, I doubt if I'll be using Gaim anymore. |
| 17:33.36 | ke6isf | ...and nothing on iptraf. |
| 17:33.38 | TheRealMAN11 | in debian, are window manager packages supposed to use /etc/dm/Sessions or /usr/share/xsessions? |
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| 17:33.49 | ke6isf | !tell skiver -about iptraf |
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| 17:34.33 | Skiver | thanks ke6isf |
| 17:35.10 | doub | well well. so far so good |
| 17:35.13 | resiak | PeterB: What does debconf have to do with that? |
| 17:35.22 | ke6isf | PeterB: whyyyyy? |
| 17:35.32 | PeterB | resiak, ke6isf: See last photo in http://aigarius.blogspot.com/2005/07/dc5-jul-9.html |
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| 17:36.20 | resiak | PeterB: Hoahah |
| 17:36.35 | ke6isf | PeterB: =>.<= |
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| 17:38.06 | barry | I got it to work! thanks |
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| 17:39.07 | doub | well, let's route around the problem, is there a working vlc somewhere that would work with etch? |
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| 17:39.16 | rovragge | do plantronics usb headsets work in linux? |
| 17:39.27 | PissedTrixBunny | I can't get startup file to run in fluxbox |
| 17:39.35 | PissedTrixBunny | is there some other requirement? |
| 17:39.46 | abrotman | startup file? |
| 17:39.50 | doub | the etch vlc is f*** up as hell |
| 17:39.52 | abrotman | you mean .xinitrc or .xession ? |
| 17:39.53 | PissedTrixBunny | sorry for being a bad asker |
| 17:39.55 | abrotman | err xsession |
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| 17:40.19 | PissedTrixBunny | I have .xsession with line : exec /usr/bin/startfluxbox |
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| 17:40.26 | abrotman | !xsession |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | [xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 17:40.29 | Clamps | Hi there |
| 17:40.42 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: why doesn't it work ? |
| 17:40.46 | ke6isf | Hello, Clamps |
| 17:40.47 | black13 | show them the clamps! |
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| 17:41.22 | Clamps | pals I really need some help fast |
| 17:41.23 | PissedTrixBunny | int he .fluxbox/startup I placed the a script command at the place where it says I should... but it still would not execute... the command I put was a script I put in ~/bin |
| 17:41.29 | szzs | hi, i bumped into a guide and when i reach to a step and try to do this -> dpkg -i loop-aes-2.6.8-2-686-smp_2.2d-2+2.6.8-13_i386.deb i get the error msg cannot access archive: No such file or directory. any ideas? |
| 17:41.30 | ke6isf | Clamps: What's up? |
| 17:41.32 | Clamps | I'm using Debian Sarge |
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| 17:41.39 | Clamps | And running apache /php5 |
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| 17:41.43 | ke6isf | szzs: Exactly what it says. |
| 17:41.45 | resiak | PissedTrixBunny: Is ~/bin in your path. |
| 17:41.50 | resiak | !tell Clamps -about enter |
| 17:41.51 | PissedTrixBunny | yes\ |
| 17:41.58 | PissedTrixBunny | I just got the ~/bin problem solved |
| 17:42.11 | ke6isf | szzs: Try looking for the package 'loop-aes' via apt-get |
| 17:42.16 | zuen | i've exim removed by dpkg --purge --force-depends exim. now when im going to install mysql-server, it said exim4 will be install too. anyway to stop apt from installing exim4? i already have another MTA running. |
| 17:42.23 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: so why doens't it start? .. do we get to know any errors ? |
| 17:42.25 | cello_rasp | I have been having some trouble with bad blocks and have been trying to run (make2fs -c -j /target_partition) using ?blambox?, but I can't seem to identify the location of the partition, although I know the number. Do I also need to mount it beforehand, and can someone remind me the command that lists all mounts? |
| 17:42.31 | resiak | zuen: Did you install a packaged MTA? |
| 17:42.34 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, I don't know what's the error is |
| 17:42.37 | jason__ | gotta a problem with my port 80..its closed and i dont know why...i forwarded it and i know my isp doesnt close it |
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| 17:42.39 | Clamps | My problem is, the php doesnt have mysql by default and theres no package that I can install it |
| 17:42.43 | zuen | resiak: nope. from src. |
| 17:42.46 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, it seems like the file "startup" was not touched at all |
| 17:43.02 | Clamps | I got mysqli running but nothing about old mysql |
| 17:43.12 | PeterB | PissedTrixBunny: ~/.fluxbox/startup ? |
| 17:43.15 | resiak | zuen: You need to create a virtual package to let dpkg know that you installed one from source. Out of interest, what did you build? |
| 17:43.19 | resiak | !tell Clamps -about enter |
| 17:43.21 | PissedTrixBunny | PeterB, yes |
| 17:43.40 | szzs | ke6isf thanks for the advice |
| 17:43.43 | PissedTrixBunny | how can I check whether it was executed or not? |
| 17:43.56 | zuen | resiak: hmm. so how do i "craete a virtual package"? i've qmail running as my MTA now. |
| 17:44.04 | ke6isf | Clamps: There's a php4-mysql and php4 in sarge, but no php5 or related. Is there a reason you need 5 over 4? |
| 17:44.07 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: so when you type `startx` .. what happens |
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| 17:44.38 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman: I use gdm, and it starts into fluxbox right away |
| 17:44.47 | cello_rasp | I have been having some trouble with bad blocks and have been trying to run (make2fs -c -j /target_partition) using ?blambox?, but I can't seem to identify the location of the partition, although I know the number. Do I also need to mount it beforehand, and can someone remind me the command that lists all mounts? |
| 17:44.48 | resiak | zuen: I have no idea, but you now have a googling point. Why didn't you make a qmail package from the supplied source and debian patches? |
| 17:44.55 | resiak | !tell cello_rasp -about enter. |
| 17:44.55 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, and that's it.... no extra script ran |
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| 17:44.59 | PeterB | PissedTrixBunny: Put something like "echo 'blah' >~/test" in there. |
| 17:45.10 | PissedTrixBunny | PeterB, in where? |
| 17:45.17 | PissedTrixBunny | PeterB, the startup file? |
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| 17:45.32 | Clamps | ke6isf, I need php5 to a project that I'm currently developing, that's why I have php5 instead of php4(that uses mysqli ), But now I need to test a code that is written using mysql |
| 17:45.33 | PeterB | PissedTrixBunny: Well, you want to see if that's executed, so yes :/ |
| 17:45.34 | EdibleText | zuen, apt-get install qmail-src |
| 17:45.36 | resiak | !tell zuen -about qmail debs |
| 17:45.47 | zuen | resiak: i'm too used to install qmail from src :) |
| 17:46.04 | ke6isf | !tell Clamps -about php5 |
| 17:46.04 | kaiowa | i have run usbmount , the usbmedia it lights but i cant mount it, how could i know where is the dev to mount?? |
| 17:46.05 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: oh .. so it's a fluxbox issue .. i thought it was an X issue... |
| 17:46.10 | PissedTrixBunny | brb |
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| 17:46.15 | EdibleText | zuen, qmail-src will build from source a qmail*deb |
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| 17:46.23 | cello_rasp | resiak, I didn't use any offending punctation nor carriage return so what yopu are talking about, i don't know. But thanks for the help! |
| 17:46.24 | ke6isf | Clamps: That *may* help. |
| 17:46.34 | Clamps | thanks |
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| 17:46.44 | PissedTrixBunny | PeterB, nope, nothing |
| 17:47.05 | zuen | i remembered greycat mentioned something about equivs and i can't remember how to go around fixing this. |
| 17:47.09 | cmatheso1 | hey i'm using the debian ldap packages, but if i try a command (like ldappasswd), it gives me an error about not connecting to the ldap server--is that because the bind line is commented out? |
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| 17:47.37 | PeterB | PissedTrixBunny: ls -l ~/.fluxbox/startup ? |
| 17:47.49 | ```bulldogg | hello |
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| 17:48.08 | PissedTrixBunny | PeterB, it's 755 |
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| 17:48.42 | ```bulldogg | I was wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of software that allows you to backup dvds |
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| 17:48.56 | greycat | cdrecord-ProDVD or dvd+rw-tools |
| 17:48.58 | greycat | that's all. |
| 17:49.14 | greycat | or did you mean "copy commercial VIDEO dvds"? that's different. |
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| 17:50.07 | abrotman | ccfliege: now look here .. we don't take kindly to root users in these parts |
| 17:50.21 | ke6isf | !rootsmite ccfliege |
| 17:50.45 | jason__ | i forwarded my port80 and i know my isp doesnt close it, and yet it is stii blocked |
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| 17:51.08 | PissedTrixBunny | I am using gdm and running fluxbox, I have problem starting the .fluxbox/startup file |
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| 17:51.28 | dmattli | jason__: Are you trying to connect to it inside or outside your nat? |
| 17:51.30 | Draconicus | Alright, what is the simplest way to use ntp to synchronize with the server at one specified address every half hour? |
| 17:51.45 | Schiz0 | I'd say a cron job. |
| 17:51.45 | ghjldvdp | hola soy er joey |
| 17:52.02 | yac | Eulex: Yes, 1.7 worked, but I wanted to know if I can use more automake versions vithou uninstalling and installing each time. |
| 17:52.02 | asg | no joey here |
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| 17:52.20 | ke6isf | !tell Draconicus -about ntp |
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| 17:52.23 | Eulex | yac, you can have all installed at the same time iirc |
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| 17:52.27 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Use the daemon. |
| 17:52.27 | PeterB | asg: What about joeytwiddle ? |
| 17:52.27 | ccfliege | moin |
| 17:52.28 | jason__ | dmattli, outside the net |
| 17:52.31 | romulo | what package akdc does? its without description |
| 17:52.40 | asg | PeterB: different non-joey |
| 17:52.41 | abrotman | !info akdc |
| 17:52.48 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 17:52.49 | greycat | W: Unable to locate package akdc |
| 17:52.50 | abrotman | doesn't do anything |
| 17:52.56 | greycat | try again. |
| 17:52.58 | PissedTrixBunny | can someone help me on the startup issue, I really can't get it work... |
| 17:53.05 | PissedTrixBunny | I am using gdm and running fluxbox, I have problem starting the .fluxbox/startup file |
| 17:53.05 | ccfliege | moin kollegaz i need help with debian 31 ?? |
| 17:53.06 | greycat | this time give us the *actual* package name. |
| 17:53.27 | asg | !de |
| 17:53.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 17:53.28 | ke6isf | ccfliege: What kind of help do you need? |
| 17:53.33 | Draconicus | I meant the command... |
| 17:53.41 | abrotman | greycat: it's not in debian .. nothign matches akdc |
| 17:53.54 | ke6isf | Draconicus: IN that case, in root crontab: '0,30 * * * * ntpdate pool.ntp.org' |
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| 17:53.57 | ccfliege | ke6isf: im trying to install debina 31 on an older ibm thinkpad |
| 17:54.07 | cougar` | seen Wyzard |
| 17:54.15 | ke6isf | ccfliege: OK. Continue. |
| 17:54.18 | asg | cougar`: /msg dpkg seen Wyzard |
| 17:54.38 | greycat | !faq zuen |
| 17:54.39 | dpkg | zuen: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:54.42 | greycat | zuen: READ THAT. |
| 17:54.43 | ccfliege | ke6isf: my problem is i can't use 100% of the screen in command mode |
| 17:54.47 | Draconicus | ke6isf: crontab is a command? |
| 17:54.50 | greycat | zuen: find the Mail Questions page, and READ THAT. |
| 17:55.09 | ke6isf | !tell Draconicus -about crontab |
| 17:55.11 | cougar` | Eulex : You there bud? |
| 17:55.18 | asg | Draconicus: crontab(1), crontab(5) |
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| 17:55.39 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Simply put, 'crontab -e' will edit the crontab. |
| 17:55.48 | ccfliege | ke6isf: there a border round the screen of about 5 cmm |
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| 17:55.57 | Draconicus | crontab is not a command, so I'm assuming it's an addition, and not part of cron. |
| 17:55.59 | spola | are dpkg and apt-get the same? |
| 17:56.08 | abydos | spola: no |
| 17:56.08 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Crontab is part of cron. |
| 17:56.11 | MrBallZ | what shoud the correct lines for grub be , if i want to have the line to boot from hdc1 wich has windorks partition |
| 17:56.12 | asg | Draconicus: it's a command and a filespec |
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| 17:56.23 | Draconicus | Well it's not a known command here, and I have cron. Strange. |
| 17:56.31 | greycat | Draconicus: wrong. |
| 17:56.37 | Triffid_Hunter | spola: one's a download manager, the other's a package manager. they're just quite interlinked |
| 17:56.40 | ccfliege | ke6isf: i think its 640x480 buut i want 800x600 |
| 17:56.41 | greycat | man crontab, man 5 crontab (for the file format part) |
| 17:56.51 | cougar` | Excuse me everyone : Is there anyone here that has experience setting up an NTP Server that will supply time to local machines? |
| 17:56.52 | asg | Draconicus: it's in /usr/bin |
| 17:56.52 | PissedTrixBunny | I received this error when I try to restart vsftpd: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 17:56.58 | ke6isf | ccfliege: I unfortunately can't help you. Sorry. |
| 17:57.02 | Eulex | cougar`, yeah, I'm here |
| 17:57.12 | ccfliege | ke6isf: tthanx |
| 17:57.14 | spola | oh i see, thx triffid hunter |
| 17:57.16 | PissedTrixBunny | !PissedTrixBunny |
| 17:57.24 | spola | hmmmmm ... triffid seems to ring a bell |
| 17:57.25 | takatumi | ccfliege: in X? |
| 17:57.30 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: are you running debian? |
| 17:57.30 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: it's in /sbin. Did you look to see. |
| 17:57.31 | ke6isf | ccfliege: You might just post the question to the channel as a general question, but please be specific. |
| 17:57.32 | PissedTrixBunny | !spoonfeed PissedTrixBunny |
| 17:57.33 | dpkg | Silly PissedTrixBunny, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 17:57.37 | pablum | ccfliege, you can use a bootflag to tell it how big your screen is... like vga= or something |
| 17:57.38 | ccfliege | takatumi: no commandmode |
| 17:57.38 | cougar` | Hi Eulex |
| 17:57.42 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:57.42 | cougar` | How are you Eulex? |
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| 17:57.46 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, I am runnin Debian |
| 17:57.56 | sepski | ccfliege, you have tried adjusting your monitor settings ofcourse ? |
| 17:57.58 | spola | aren't triffids like human eating walking plants? |
| 17:58.01 | asg | spola: yes |
| 17:58.12 | Eulex | cougar`, I'm ok |
| 17:58.15 | ccfliege | mpablum: were can i set the bootflag ? |
| 17:58.16 | spola | hehehe ... that was a great book |
| 17:58.18 | spola | :) |
| 17:58.25 | Triffid_Hunter | spola: no.. they sting people and kill them.. they don't eat them |
| 17:58.28 | Triffid_Hunter | ;) |
| 17:58.34 | SDFH_Linux | anyone have an opinion on freebsd compared to linux |
| 17:58.36 | spola | haha |
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| 17:58.47 | takatumi | ccfliege: tried vga=791 or similar in grub/lilo? |
| 17:58.47 | cougar` | Eulex : You woudn't by anychance know how to set up an NTP server which would do the following... Have the Linux box sync with a more ACCURATE external server (IE: time.nist.gov), then have the systems on my network, sync with the Linux box. |
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| 17:58.54 | PerfDave | SDFH_Linux: This is possibly not the best channel to ask ;) |
| 17:58.56 | ccfliege | pablum: were can i set the bootflag vor te resulotion ? |
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| 17:59.04 | Triffid_Hunter | linux is more flexible as far as hardware goes in my experience.. |
| 17:59.08 | SDFH_Linux | still i would like to know |
| 17:59.20 | asg | ccfliege: /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 17:59.25 | sepski | cougar`, aptitude install ntp-refclock |
| 17:59.26 | ccfliege | takatumi: oh grub boot loader how can i do that |
| 17:59.26 | Eulex | cougar`, I dunno, but maybe run both an ntp server and client on it? |
| 17:59.26 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: linux wins! |
| 17:59.26 | spola | freebsd vs linux ... hmmmmm ... i wonder how gnome compares to Xorg |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | !tell SDFH_Linux about why debian |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | spola: bad comparison |
| 17:59.47 | cougar` | Sepski : What is refclock? |
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| 18:00.00 | ke6isf | Gotta get ready for work... |
| 18:00.03 | takatumi | ccfliege: http://gpoppy.org/fbmatrix |
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| 18:00.10 | ninereeds | sorry |
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| 18:00.16 | jeanmi_ | my laptop can not boot from a USB drive. is there anything I could do to still boot the system I have on my external USB HD ? I guess booting from a rescue CD and saying linux root=/dev/sda1 won't make ..... |
| 18:00.19 | Eulex | spola, that's like comparing a roof to a wall -- you usually use both |
| 18:00.19 | spola | thats what i was hinting at ... linux is a kernel, freebsd an os |
| 18:00.25 | ninereeds | can anybody please tell me how to contact dpkg |
| 18:00.30 | ninereeds | i cant remember |
| 18:00.31 | Eulex | spola, ah, ok |
| 18:00.31 | asg | ninereeds: /msg dpkg help |
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| 18:00.38 | ninereeds | thx alot |
| 18:00.39 | spola | ;) |
| 18:00.43 | asg | ninereeds: or 1-800-lik-toes |
| 18:00.53 | spola | i shouldve used a wall n roof metaphore tho =) |
| 18:01.01 | EdibleText | asg, its not toll free anymore... |
| 18:01.02 | sepski | cougar`, ntp is packaged in several ways, as just a client, (ntp-simple) or as a client/server that allow others to sync against you ntp-refclock , but you could just install ntp-server, and write the config yourself |
| 18:01.02 | cougar` | sepski : ntpd is a server that runs on the local machine to keep the server's time, synced with a ntp server right? There's no way for my local machines to sync with the linux box without using ntp-refclock |
| 18:01.07 | asg | EdibleText: damn |
| 18:01.30 | pablum | ccfliege, try vga=770 |
| 18:01.38 | sepski | ntpd is is the client and the server, the config determin if it is client, server both or none |
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| 18:01.51 | cougar` | Sepski : I installed ntp-server and it install ntp-simple ... But I wrote my own ntp.conf : Would you be willing to look at it sepski? |
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| 18:02.29 | ```bulldogg | hmmm how do I get a list of channels on this server |
| 18:02.57 | sepski | cougar`, i read the man page every time i edit my ntp.conf i dont know it that well. and the config in ntp-refclock is easier to modify, since it's almost what you want from the start. it's also commented nicely |
| 18:02.57 | asg | ```bulldogg: type '/help' in your irc client |
| 18:03.22 | cougar` | sepsk . So how do I basically start from scratch? |
| 18:03.27 | bobw | how can i interface with my serial connection from the command line? |
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| 18:03.32 | asg | people with nicks begining with shit far from home row should be shot in qwertyland |
| 18:03.41 | asg | bobw: minicom |
| 18:03.43 | ```bulldogg | yeah I did that already.......... it has a list command so I go like this "/list #*" whatever I am looking for and it comes back with nothing |
| 18:03.45 | cougar` | What the comman on debian to see what I have installed related to ntp |
| 18:03.49 | bobw | asg, is that a linux util? |
| 18:03.54 | asg | bobw: yes |
| 18:03.55 | deepan | i am running sshd on both 80 and 22 at a remote system.. i am able to connect to remote system from machine local1 (both at 80 and 22 are possible ) and not from local2 (both are not possible ) .. both local1 and local2 are under different firewalls... is there a way to connect to remote from local2 |
| 18:03.55 | greycat | cougar`: dpkg -l |
| 18:04.07 | asg | ```bulldogg: then maybe what you are looking for doesn't exist |
| 18:04.07 | sepski | cougar`, install ntp-refclock, read the configfile comments , then read the manpages and the /usr/share/doc/ntp-* documents |
| 18:04.10 | bobw | asg, cool i got it |
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| 18:04.39 | jan_ | ```bulldogg: try /list |
| 18:04.42 | sepski | cougar`, it's rather easy with refclock , just read the config |
| 18:04.44 | ```bulldogg | I jsut did a /list #* and it came back with nothing.............. this channel seems to exist |
| 18:04.47 | PissedTrixBunny | I received this error when I try to use /etc/init.d/vsftpd "command": line 27: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 18:04.51 | PissedTrixBunny | what's going on? |
| 18:05.07 | cougar` | I have ntp,ntp-server,ntp-simple, and ntpdate installed |
| 18:05.18 | cougar` | sepski : Okay, I'll try it |
| 18:05.20 | Eulex | ```bulldogg, I have to press three keys to get the character ` |
| 18:05.22 | sepski | cougar`, install ntp-refcloclok it should remove ntp-simple |
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| 18:05.29 | cougar` | okay |
| 18:05.34 | xpato | little problem |
| 18:05.43 | xpato | when i do "id pbruna" like root |
| 18:05.47 | bulldogg | there that should help a bit |
| 18:05.48 | xpato | i get the results |
| 18:05.54 | ke6isf | Which package is ntpd part of? |
| 18:06.04 | sepski | PissedTrixBunny, do a aptitude reinstall of the package |
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| 18:06.09 | xpato | but when i do "id pbruna" as anohter user i dont get the correct results |
| 18:06.16 | sepski | ke6isf, ntp-server |
| 18:06.21 | xpato | im auth agains ldap |
| 18:06.33 | ke6isf | sepski: Sankyu |
| 18:06.58 | cougar` | What is reflock? Wait, reflock and simple are descriptions of how the ntp.conf is set up, right? |
| 18:06.59 | jason__ | can port 80 be seen without a web server running? |
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| 18:07.44 | sepski | cougar`, i guess you could say that. but i'm not an expert on the issue. iv just used refclock to setup what you want several times |
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| 18:08.27 | sepski | jason__, 'seen' ? it nothing listens on port 80 then there is nothing to see netstat -plone |
| 18:08.32 | asg | bulldogg: /msg chanserv help list |
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| 18:09.03 | EdibleText | xpato, this may help. good debian ldap auth walkthrough. http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/ |
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| 18:10.35 | cougar` | sepski : I don't have a ntp.conf in etc |
| 18:10.39 | cougar` | where is reflock? |
| 18:10.53 | sepski | cougar`, you installed it i assume.. |
| 18:10.56 | cougar` | Yes |
| 18:11.59 | cougar` | I just uninstalled everything ntp related, used update-rc.d to remove the links, got rid of the ntp.conf in /etc, and installed ntp-refclock which installed ntp, ntp-server, ntpdate, and ntp-doc ... |
| 18:12.05 | sepski | cougar`, actualy ntp-refclock is the ntpd binary, the config is in ntp-server |
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| 18:12.26 | cougar` | I have no ntp.conf :( |
| 18:12.28 | sepski | cougar`, well you removed the ntp.conf file then it's removed... |
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| 18:12.40 | cougar` | Won't it automatically get created? |
| 18:12.47 | sepski | cougar`, reinstall ntp-server, if that failes then purge ntp-server and install it again |
| 18:12.53 | cougar` | I backed up my old ntp.conf |
| 18:13.13 | cougar` | Sepski : How do reinstall or purge? |
| 18:13.27 | cougar` | I know how to apt-get install and apt-get remove |
| 18:13.45 | bulldogg | well asg I tried that still no help |
| 18:14.12 | sepski | cougar`, apt-get remove --purge ntp-server |
| 18:14.15 | cougar` | Sepski : I'm sorry for botherin' ya but I don't know how to use apt-get that well |
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| 18:14.17 | sepski | then apt.get install |
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| 18:16.00 | cougar` | Sepski : I did the command you told me to use and I went along and removed ntp, ntpdate, all of it |
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| 18:16.38 | cougar` | sepski : When I do dkpg -l | grep ntp, I get 2 listing, ntp-simple and ntpdate |
| 18:16.42 | sepski | cougar`,the wonders of apt-get :)) |
| 18:16.46 | cougar` | says 'RC' next to it |
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| 18:17.29 | cougar` | What does 'RC' mean? |
| 18:17.36 | sepski | cougar`, means the package is removed but not purged |
| 18:17.41 | sepski | ie the configs remain, |
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| 18:17.45 | cougar` | How come I can't purge it? |
| 18:18.16 | cougar` | Package ntp-simple is not installed, so not removed |
| 18:18.17 | cougar` | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 81 not upgraded. |
| 18:18.38 | sepski | cougar`, you already removed it you can purge with dpkg -P package, or just ignore |
| 18:18.39 | cougar` | ntp-simple won't go away :( |
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| 18:19.32 | bulldogg | okay what I am looking for is a gui driven program that I can copy dvds with |
| 18:19.34 | myren | how do i change my fg/bg defaults for my x terminal? |
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| 18:20.12 | cougar` | okay sepski : that worked |
| 18:20.38 | myren | someone's gotta be familiar with xresources |
| 18:20.39 | myren | please help |
| 18:20.54 | w_emfpilot | Hello all.. any suggestions on a good cdr pkg cmd-line ? |
| 18:21.38 | greycat | man xrdb |
| 18:21.57 | PerfDave | w_emfpilot: cdr pkg? |
| 18:22.25 | w_emfpilot | to burn data cd's... mkisofs is a pain in da ars |
| 18:22.27 | ricochet | how do I tell mplayer to use my "plug:iec958" optical out? |
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| 18:22.46 | PerfDave | w_emfpilot: You want a command-line application to burn CDs? |
| 18:22.55 | yac | Eulex, yes, I can install all versions, but how do i chose version i want to use ? |
| 18:22.59 | Chris-- | anybody got a really thorough how-to on grub? |
| 18:23.03 | bulldogg | you could use k3b for that and it is gui |
| 18:23.17 | w_emfpilot | yea, as not xcdroast or x anything |
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| 18:23.20 | bulldogg | easy to use and works well |
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| 18:23.23 | Chris-- | i have a kind of odd project i wanna pick up and grub is pretty much gonna be the base of the whole thing |
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| 18:24.46 | Eulex | yac, eh? run the one you want! they're called automake1.4 etc, and one of them is symlinked to automake |
| 18:25.01 | mjohnson | Is there any way I can get dpkg -l to display its list wider so as not to cut off the package names? |
| 18:25.07 | grendal_prime | anyone use shfs on a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 18:25.22 | drac | grendal_prime: Yes, from time to time. |
| 18:25.24 | w_emfpilot | PerfDave: cdrecord fails w/ cdrecord -scanbus to I'm looking for an alternative |
| 18:25.28 | cougar` | sepski : I'm the process of editing the file |
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| 18:25.46 | yac | Eulex: oh, 'one of them', thats what i wanted to know. thanks |
| 18:25.47 | BleSS | ldap or sql for managing mail server? |
| 18:25.54 | Slippy | anyone gotten the ati drivers working on unstable with xorg and gcc4? |
| 18:25.56 | cougar` | sepski : Ya there bud? |
| 18:26.07 | greycat | Slippy: you mean fglrx? that would be *really* stupid. |
| 18:26.07 | sepski | just ask , someone answers |
| 18:26.14 | grendal_prime | hmm the deb package i installed bitches about the kernel version |
| 18:26.14 | myren | what about the Xresources file? |
| 18:26.17 | ralf | Slippy: me |
| 18:26.20 | greycat | Slippy: the ATI driver *inside xorg* can to 3D acceleration on my Radeon. |
| 18:26.25 | grendal_prime | shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel |
| 18:26.30 | yac | Slippy: I did |
| 18:26.36 | Slippy | greycat: yea fglrx..why would that be stupid? |
| 18:26.36 | grendal_prime | is there something i can patch the kernel with? |
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| 18:26.51 | cougar` | sepski :In the conf, says if I want to provide time to your local subnet, change the next line |
| 18:26.57 | Slippy | yac: didn't it complain about gcc4 when you compiled the module? |
| 18:27.00 | cougar` | sepski : Then it says, #broadcast 192.168.123.255 |
| 18:27.01 | drac | grendal_prime: To have shfs kernel module ? |
| 18:27.04 | cahoot | ricochet: tried something like -ao alsa:device=plug:iec958? |
| 18:27.04 | PerfDave | w_emfpilot: Have you checked the BTS? Are you using a 2.4 kernel or a 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:27.08 | ralf | Slippy: http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33822116 |
| 18:27.13 | grendal_prime | or maybe i just need to reboot the machine...i would think the aptitude would have installed any kernel patches needed |
| 18:27.13 | cougar` | sepski : Do I want to uncomment that line? |
| 18:27.24 | w_emfpilot | PerfDave: 2.6.9 |
| 18:27.33 | sepski | cougar`, usualy not, i'd rather run a ntp client on the computers then use the broadcast |
| 18:27.40 | drac | grendal_prime: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i shfs |
| 18:27.44 | drac | grendal_prime: build shfs kernel module. |
| 18:27.45 | Slippy | ralf: ah thanks |
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| 18:27.52 | drac | grendal_prime: builds |
| 18:28.00 | yac | Slippy: heh, I used package;) Sorry, i didn't read question carefuly, i used xorg build-in ati drivers |
| 18:28.11 | Eulex | w_emfpilot, that's not in debian -- have you compiled yourself? |
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| 18:28.24 | Slippy | yac: aight - no worries :) |
| 18:28.27 | cougar` | sepski : Here's the deal. Windows XP, the date and time set to auto syncronize with my Linux box. My Mac OS X box, set to auto syncronize with ym linux box. My linux box set to syncornize with an NTP server. That's the goal. |
| 18:28.40 | grendal_prime | well drac this is the pkg description of the pkg i installed |
| 18:28.41 | grendal_prime | (secure) SHell File System mount programs |
| 18:28.41 | grendal_prime | SHFS (sshfs) is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4/2.6) module |
| 18:28.41 | grendal_prime | which allows you to mount remote filesystems using (secure) shell |
| 18:28.41 | grendal_prime | connection. |
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| 18:29.03 | sepski | if use use a ntp client on win /osx then you just have to set a few server lines in the conf and your ready to go |
| 18:29.03 | Slippy | greycat: still why would fglrx on xorg be stupid? |
| 18:29.04 | yac | Slippy: btw... why don't you use those too ? |
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| 18:29.28 | sepski | cougar`, i dont know what client windows and osx uses in the internals |
| 18:29.35 | cougar` | ntpdate |
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| 18:29.39 | w_emfpilot | Eulex: Yes i compiled myself, what is not in debian? |
| 18:29.45 | Slippy | yac: are they just as fast as the fglrx? -It doesn't seem so to me |
| 18:29.58 | pablo--mvd | hi! how do i reset root pass? (ive lost it! ) |
| 18:30.03 | BleSS | what should i use for managing a mail server: ldap or sql? |
| 18:30.15 | cougar` | Dammit, it just won't syncronize, Windows XP that is |
| 18:30.21 | drac | greycat: By The Way, did you notice they integrated r300_driver to Mesa and DRM CVS so that all radeons have now native direct rendering support (up to and including X800 cards). This happened yesterday. |
| 18:30.22 | Eulex | w_emfpilot, why did you compile yourself? what I meant is that it's not in the official debian repo as a kernel image or source |
| 18:30.33 | sepski | cougar`, where in windows do you set that thing ? |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | drac: no, but thanks for informing us :) |
| 18:30.51 | PerfDave | w_emfpilot: If you're not using a Debian kernel, that may well be why your cdrecord isn't working. |
| 18:30.54 | drac | greycat ;) |
| 18:31.06 | cougar` | The time sample was rejected because: The peersstratum is less than the host's stratum |
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| 18:31.24 | cougar` | Sepski : Under date and time properties. Double click on the time in the task bar |
| 18:31.34 | w_emfpilot | Eulex: well I'm still learning so I got the kernel image from debian unstable and then recompiled myself |
| 18:31.35 | cougar` | Tab says 'Internet Time' |
| 18:32.05 | Eulex | drac, cool -- then I maybe can get rid of fglrx when there's a new release of xorg |
| 18:32.15 | sepski | cougar`, trying against my own ntpd now |
| 18:32.22 | bulldogg | well thanks for all the help I got to head out |
| 18:32.25 | cougar` | okay |
| 18:32.30 | myren | where is a list of X colors? |
| 18:32.38 | Eulex | w_emfpilot, still, why did you compile it yourself? was there a problem using a stock kernel? |
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| 18:33.21 | cougar` | Dammit : 21 Jul 14:32:59 ntpdate[4020]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 18:33.26 | drac | Eulex: X.Org is in feature freeze due to release scheduel but I'm hoping that doesn't include getting latest Mesa to go with.. |
| 18:33.30 | bobw | asg, when i open minicom to connect to my UPS via the serial interface, i say minicom *A /dev/ttyS0 and it says device locked? |
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| 18:33.32 | pipeline | cougar`, sepski : Windows XP does have an NTP service that can be used as a client |
| 18:33.45 | cougar` | Pipeline : Yup |
| 18:33.48 | pipeline | cougar`, sepski : But the built-in "time synchronization" that tickles microsoft.com isn't it, I don't think |
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| 18:34.11 | cougar` | Pipeline : I think it is |
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| 18:34.35 | w_emfpilot | Eulex: If I remember correctly it had something to do w/ usb support or something along those lines.... However, about 98% ok .deb's work fine. |
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| 18:35.09 | cougar` | This is rediculous |
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| 18:35.22 | resiak | !dict rediculous |
| 18:35.24 | dpkg | could not find definition for rediculous |
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| 18:35.25 | myren | anyone know a small font chooser for debian? |
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| 18:35.28 | myren | haha |
| 18:35.35 | ryan` | ryan@hactar:~$ su - |
| 18:35.35 | ryan` | Sorry. |
| 18:35.45 | ryan` | anyone know what's going on there? |
| 18:35.52 | deltron | ryan`: sup? |
| 18:36.01 | guk | Hey guys ... quickie ... Can I change the timezone for one user ? like I have a user on my system from another part of the world and his time is different ... can I change the time for his user ? |
| 18:36.02 | ryan` | I can't use su. |
| 18:36.12 | sepski | cougar`, failed for me too, but it could be any reason. here |
| 18:36.28 | deltron | ryan`: try sudo |
| 18:36.36 | ma3x | anyone know how to get the current .config kernel file? |
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| 18:36.45 | ma3x | like the one that the current kernel uses? |
| 18:36.46 | PissedTrixBunny | what port does samba use in debian? |
| 18:36.54 | quittt | do you know a site where shows complete bands discographys? |
| 18:37.01 | ryan` | deltron, I don't think i gave myself sudo powers |
| 18:37.05 | deltron | ma3x: i think it's in the headers file, houch i can be wrong |
| 18:37.18 | ryan` | i don't even have sudo installed |
| 18:37.19 | deltron | ryan`: ok. what's the output when you su - |
| 18:37.20 | deltron | ? |
| 18:37.28 | ryan` | it just says sorry. |
| 18:37.37 | cahoot | quittt: *the* Band or any band? |
| 18:37.38 | deltron | hmm |
| 18:37.45 | muaaa | please can sombody help me with my problem? containing debian 3.1/kernel 2.4/linux-wlan-ng/usb-wlan... i could make it working... ping works, dns resolving, i can log in ftp-servers... when i trying connecting ssh/http/ftp on a server in my network or on the inet, it stops after transmitting some packets... what is wrong here? any suggestions? thx |
| 18:37.47 | ryan` | without prompting me for a password. |
| 18:37.53 | pablum | guk, I think he can use an environment variable, TZ or something like that. |
| 18:37.58 | quittt | cahoot, any band |
| 18:38.26 | ryan` | I messed with my pam configuration last night, but I only touched the vsftp pam configuration and the /etc/ftpsuers file |
| 18:38.30 | PeterB | ma3x: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:38.31 | deltron | hmm |
| 18:38.33 | PissedTrixBunny | !samba port |
| 18:38.37 | PissedTrixBunny | !samba |
| 18:38.38 | dpkg | samba is probably a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 18:38.56 | ryan` | deltron, it wasn't even letting me use su as root |
| 18:38.57 | deltron | ryan`: does root have a pw? |
| 18:38.58 | quittt | cahoot, do you know? |
| 18:39.08 | ryan` | of course root has a password. |
| 18:39.13 | deltron | hehe |
| 18:39.21 | ryan` | I'm not stupid. |
| 18:39.30 | bwlang | on one of my systems i've noticed that some system groups are in the wrong range of numbers (ie 1001 for amavis).... does anybody know how that could have happened. it's a real PITA to fix it |
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| 18:39.35 | ryan` | and ssh is configured to not let me log in as root :( |
| 18:39.38 | highvoltage | Rubin: yac then why are you trying so hard to prove otherwise? |
| 18:39.41 | sepski | cougar`, im firewalled out it woudnt have worked here anyeway for me |
| 18:39.43 | ma3x | peter thank you |
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| 18:39.56 | ryan` | so I am probably gonna have to hook the damned thing up to a keyboard and mouse. |
| 18:39.58 | dieb | Hello all. How can i re-scan scsi bus with command line, without rebooting? |
| 18:39.59 | ryan` | er |
| 18:40.00 | ryan` | monitor |
| 18:40.01 | PeterB | !tell ma3x about nicktab |
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| 18:40.45 | ryan` | deltron, I don't see anything in /etc/pam.d/su that should be blocking me |
| 18:40.50 | ma3x | PeterB that's nice! |
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| 18:40.55 | deltron | ryan`: strange :( |
| 18:40.59 | w_emfpilot | Eulex: ok I guess I have to unleash my ignorance on the subject matter... When I upgraded my kernel this is the web paged worked with http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
| 18:41.04 | goron | "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it." Imo, there's not something like "*the* preferred form". |
| 18:41.22 | cougar` | sepski : I'm firewalled too, but I'm allowing ntp |
| 18:41.27 | cahoot | quittt: tried google? http://www.discographyguide.com/ |
| 18:41.34 | quittt | yeah I did |
| 18:41.44 | w_emfpilot | Eulex: I figured this to be debian's kernel? |
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| 18:41.58 | sepski | cougar`, im on vacation at some odd network i dont control the firewall here |
| 18:42.06 | deigo | anyway to test cron jobs easily? |
| 18:42.08 | cougar` | sepski : Okay |
| 18:42.10 | goron | It seems that I can grab a GPL program and distribute machine code (since that's readable by a computer). |
| 18:42.15 | deigo | other than setting them to run in a couple of seconds |
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| 18:42.41 | deigo | if you need to do stuff your network doesn't allow for, thats what vpn's were made for. |
| 18:42.42 | PissedTrixBunny | what are the ports for samba? |
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| 18:43.02 | pablum | goron, are you trying to use sophistry to escape the GPL requiremnets? |
| 18:43.12 | deigo | cat /etc/services | grep netbios |
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| 18:43.24 | dondelelcaro | goron: yes, but you must also distribute the prefered form for modification. |
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| 18:43.36 | dondelelcaro | (or provide a written offer to do the same valid for 3 (iirc) years) |
| 18:44.02 | goron | pablum: I don't know what the word sophistry means, but I am just trying to find holes in the GPL. I am not trying to "steal" code or anything. |
| 18:44.14 | PissedTrixBunny | can someone tell me what are the ports for samba server? |
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| 18:44.27 | deigo | PissedTrixBunny: i just gave you the command to type but the short version is 137-139 |
| 18:44.27 | PeterB | !dict sophistry |
| 18:44.29 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sophistry' (3): The juggle of sophistry consists, for the most part, in usig a word in one sense in the premise, and in another sense in the conclusion. --Coleridge. ;; 2. The practice of a sophist; fallacious reasoning; reasoning sound in appearance only. ;; Sophistry \Soph"ist*ry\, n. [OE. sophistrie, OF. sophisterie.] 1. The art or process of reasoning; logic. [Obs.]. |
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| 18:44.46 | goron | . The practice of a sophist; fallacious reasoning; reasoning |
| 18:44.46 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.46 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.55 | Whisky_ | hey all |
| 18:44.56 | goron | This meaning? |
| 18:45.24 | pablum | goron, you might try reading up on it at fsf.org. There's a lot of material there that covers features of the GPL you may be unaware of that will help you immensely. |
| 18:45.34 | ryan` | ok... |
| 18:45.41 | ryan` | mabey my root account is messed up |
| 18:45.43 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 18:45.43 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:45.55 | goron | dondelelcaro: I read the entire GPL, but there's no such thing as "the preferred form for modification". |
| 18:46.05 | dondelelcaro | if you can't parse the meaning of 'fallacious reasoning' or 'reasoning sound in appearance only' I'd strongly suggest improving your vocabulary before attempting to find holes in the GPL. |
| 18:46.22 | goron | dondelelcaro: Ofcourse I can parse that. |
| 18:46.32 | pablum | goron, sophistry is the use of false reasoning to make the appearance of a diligent effort of reaching a conclusion that is (in this instance) self-serving. |
| 18:46.46 | goron | pablum: I just posted that definition. |
| 18:46.48 | ricochet | cahoot: its actually.. mplayer dvd:// -ao alsa:device=plug=iec958, but mplayer doesnt get past alsa-init |
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| 18:47.01 | goron | pablum: goron . The practice of a sophist; fallacious reasoning; reasoning |
| 18:47.01 | goron | goron sound in appearance only. |
| 18:47.01 | goron | goron [1913 Webster]\ |
| 18:47.06 | dondelelcaro | goron: you need to read it again. From §3: "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it." |
| 18:47.08 | archpollux | hi all |
| 18:47.16 | pablum | goron, mine kicks Webster's definition's ass. |
| 18:47.29 | deltron | anyone know what this means? Jul 21 09:32:16 localhost kernel: journal commit I/O error |
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| 18:47.49 | pablum | goron, it's deeper than that. The sophists were a philosophical movement in ancient greece. |
| 18:48.28 | goron | dondelelcaro: I am saying that there is no such thing as "*the* preferred form of the work for making modifications to it". |
| 18:48.30 | dondelelcaro | pablum: a movement that could never get past the second year of high school... |
| 18:48.34 | EdibleText | deltron, hdd may be on a one way trip to borksville |
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| 18:48.41 | deltron | EdibleText: thought so :P |
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| 18:49.09 | deltron | EdibleText: /usr is mounted as read only right now |
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| 18:49.17 | goron | dondelelcaro: It would require the guy to who you distributed stuff that you didn't write it in machine code. |
| 18:49.18 | dondelelcaro | goron: sure there is. It's the form that the author of the work actually uses to make modifications to (or baring that, to create) the work. |
| 18:49.22 | cahoot | ricochet: tried defining the plug as pcm.!default? (NB loose speculation) |
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| 18:49.25 | PerfectSoundProd | ok just an opinion poll here whats your favorite tarball extraction prog? |
| 18:49.35 | goron | dondelelcaro: That's something you make up. That's not in the GPL. |
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| 18:49.40 | c01100011 | hello, does anyone have any recomendations for tv tuner cards to use under debian ? |
| 18:49.44 | EdibleText | PerfectSoundProd, tar. |
| 18:50.02 | goron | dondelelcaro: Ofcourse I think that is what's meant, but that doesn't mean anything. |
| 18:50.02 | dondelelcaro | goron: it's just another explanation of what "the prefered form for modifications" means. |
| 18:50.04 | deigo | PerfDave: tar? |
| 18:50.08 | dondelelcaro | goron: uh, sure it does. |
| 18:50.11 | resiak | goron: It's the preferred form for modifications, isnt' it? |
| 18:50.11 | deltron | tar++ |
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| 18:50.18 | deigo | goron: it means if you wrote it in c, you distribute it in c |
| 18:50.20 | grendal_prime | shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel |
| 18:50.24 | grendal_prime | im still getting this...werid |
| 18:50.29 | resiak | goron: You don't think that anyone else has considered this issue before? |
| 18:50.29 | jfil | hi, will firefox 1.0.6 be in sarge/stable as security update? is it possible? |
| 18:50.30 | deigo | not in some coveluted language that could with enough time and effort be made useful\ |
| 18:50.48 | valdyn | jfil: no |
| 18:50.50 | psyc | hi, i was seeing cron.daily scripts, i saw a "find" script to update locatedb. Isnt it a bad thing to has if you are using debian as an enterprise server ? |
| 18:50.54 | pablum | goron, "preferred" is a notion guided by much more than your whim or convenience, however. It presupposes cultural norms. |
| 18:50.55 | goron | deigo: Everybody assumes that. |
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| 18:51.05 | psyc | like for file server ? |
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| 18:51.25 | deigo | goron: assumes which part? tell me to WHO machine could would be preferrable |
| 18:51.26 | dondelelcaro | goron: I hate to break it to you, but I've already participated in thousand message threads on this very issue. |
| 18:51.27 | valdyn | jfil: the security patches should be backported into sarges firefox, that's it. |
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| 18:52.11 | goron | deigo: Suppose someone built an intelligence that uses code as a native language. |
| 18:52.16 | mops | which is the best font for xchm? |
| 18:52.18 | jfil | valdyn, so a new version in firefox is not possible? just patches for 1.04? |
| 18:52.21 | goron | deigo: To this entity it would be preferred. |
| 18:52.26 | mops | because I have newspaper, but I don't like it |
| 18:52.35 | mops | and I can choose only from exotic fonts... |
| 18:52.38 | pablum | goron, that wouldn't redefine preference in the community. |
| 18:52.38 | goron | So there's no such thing as "*the* preferred". |
| 18:52.42 | valdyn | jfil: that's right. |
| 18:52.59 | c01100011 | hello, does anyone have any recomendations for tv tuner cards to use under debian ? |
| 18:52.59 | goron | pablum: GPL doesn't talk about community. |
| 18:53.12 | pablum | goron, law does. |
| 18:53.17 | resiak | goron: It's _obvious_ what it means. You're wrong. Shut up. |
| 18:53.19 | fhffhqvb | !fgi c01100011 tv tuner cards linux |
| 18:53.20 | dpkg | c01100011: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=tv tuner cards linux |
| 18:53.24 | goron | pablum: which law? |
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| 18:53.25 | dondelelcaro | resiak: just use /ignore. |
| 18:53.25 | valdyn | jfil: mozilla-firefox_1.04-sarge5 or whatever. |
| 18:53.29 | dondelelcaro | goron: case law. |
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| 18:53.32 | jfil | valdyn, so if i want 1.0.6 i have to download it from mozilla and install it by myself (uninstalling 1.04 first)? |
| 18:53.35 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Just did. |
| 18:53.39 | dondelelcaro | resiak: bonus points for using /ignore -replies |
| 18:53.41 | pablum | goron, pick a country, then look it up. |
| 18:53.44 | archpollux | does anyone know how i can include a patch for binutils in toolchain-source? |
| 18:53.51 | archpollux | i tried dpatch-edit-patch, but i'm having trouble |
| 18:53.54 | goron | There are countries which have no laws. |
| 18:53.59 | valdyn | jfil: or you could get it from testing once its there. |
| 18:54.02 | jfil | valdyn, i mean, not changing sources into testing or stable |
| 18:54.04 | pablum | goron, international copyright laws do... |
| 18:54.07 | resiak | dondelelcaro: What do you think that I have /it aliased to? :) |
| 18:54.13 | valdyn | jfil: ( if sarge can satisfy the depends ) |
| 18:54.36 | goron | Well, in that country I could always to anything I would ever wanted, so that's an useless claim of me. |
| 18:54.38 | ricochet | cahoot: I just got it..using "mplayer dvd:// -ao alsa:mmap:device=plug=iec958" |
| 18:54.40 | valdyn | jfil: you dont need to change sources to install a .deb |
| 18:54.46 | jfil | valdyn, so in your opinion, what's the best way to have 1.0.6 in sarge |
| 18:54.46 | dondelelcaro | goron: this really is quite OT for #debian. Do the research; if after doing that, you still have questions, ask the people at the fsf. |
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| 18:54.59 | jfil | valdyn, ok, i know it |
| 18:55.02 | valdyn | jfil: and installing a .deb is usually preferrable to install via an external installer |
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| 18:55.17 | myren | what should I use as the script for when X starts? .xinit, .Xsession, what? |
| 18:55.25 | cahoot | ricochet: tbetter write a howto now |
| 18:55.38 | jfil | valdyn, 1.0.6 is in unstable but i think it cant satisfy the depends... i'm going to try it |
| 18:55.40 | drac | myren: .xinitrc for startx, .xsession for gdm/kdm/xdm/other. |
| 18:55.42 | asg | myren: .xsession |
| 18:55.49 | jfil | valdyn, thanks for your help, my friend |
| 18:55.53 | asg | drac: .xsession also works for startx |
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| 18:57.08 | b00 | hey |
| 18:57.09 | EdibleText | a country with no laws? where |
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| 18:57.14 | goron | dondelelcaro: I don't see the need to read more than the GPL. Since the GPL *is* the license, not any FAQ or anything else. Pablum just defined "preferred" as "preferred in the community", well in that definition, it would hold. |
| 18:57.17 | b00 | is all of sid now compiled with gcc4 ? |
| 18:57.24 | oguz | hi, i have problem about opening *.dat file at a vcd |
| 18:57.25 | drac | asg: Do you know if that is Debian spesific, or universal? |
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| 18:57.30 | goron | EdibleText: one moment, I will look it up. |
| 18:57.38 | oguz | neithe xine, nor totem dont open it |
| 18:57.45 | asg | drac: that I don't know. |
| 18:57.50 | oguz | which plug in i needed to open it? |
| 18:57.57 | drac | asg: ok, nevermind then.. |
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| 18:58.16 | ryan` | ah, hell |
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| 18:58.23 | ryan` | i screwed up /etc/passewd |
| 18:58.45 | jake1932 | anyone get isdn working with debian? |
| 18:58.58 | asg | ryan`: look in /var/backups |
| 18:59.00 | pablum | goron, the FAQ is there to help people like you who have questions about the GPL. Refusing it because it isn't the GPL itself is just silly. |
| 18:59.00 | b00 | jake1932: i did |
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| 18:59.01 | borojer | anyone knows anything about COW(copy-on-write) mode on the disk images(root file systems), just wanted to know what it means and what's it used for thanks |
| 18:59.07 | cahoot | ryan`: look in /var/backups |
| 18:59.08 | jake1932 | b00 - voice? |
| 18:59.09 | goron | EdibleText: I can't find it now, but there's a country near England in International waters which has it own laws. |
| 18:59.17 | b00 | jake1932: no, sorry not used that |
| 18:59.20 | asg | goron: sealand |
| 18:59.21 | ryan` | hm? |
| 18:59.26 | goron | asg: yes |
| 18:59.28 | ryan` | why /var/backups? |
| 18:59.33 | goron | asg: thank you. |
| 18:59.41 | ryan` | I fixed my /etc/passwd |
| 18:59.43 | ricochet | cahoot, added to wiki |
| 18:59.48 | Eulex | w_emfpilot, no |
| 18:59.53 | ryan` | SOmehow, root got changed to UID -1 |
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| 19:00.23 | cahoot | ricochet: out of ignorance - what's the gain using that output? |
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| 19:00.37 | nick23 | what is this process: sshd: [accepted] |
| 19:00.46 | binarydigit_ | when i plug my wireless notebook mouse in, how can i see what device its being set to, the mouse works, i just want to try to get the mousewheel working on it |
| 19:00.47 | borojer | @anyone knows anything about COW(copy-on-write) mode on the disk images(root file systems), just wanted to know what it means and what's it used for |
| 19:01.03 | nick23 | or this: sshd: nobody [net] |
| 19:01.09 | goron | pablum: I read the FAQ once, and I can do it again. I will do it, and might return here afterwards. |
| 19:01.12 | fhffhqvb | borojer: google for it |
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| 19:01.36 | ricochet | cahoot, cause thats the one attached to my receiver. |
| 19:01.36 | cahoot | ryan`: just that on my sarge the system keeps backups of a few crucial files there |
| 19:01.50 | Eulex | binarydigit, usually you should use /dev/input/mice as the right device and set it to the right kind of mouse -- /msg dpkg drxx |
| 19:02.10 | cahoot | ricochet: external amp? |
| 19:02.17 | ricochet | cahoot, yes |
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| 19:02.24 | binarydigit_ | Eulex: well , i have kind of 3 mice, my trackpoint, touchpad and the wireless mouse |
| 19:02.29 | binarydigit_ | Eulex: how do i distinguish |
| 19:02.29 | psychobit | algum brasileiro ai? |
| 19:02.33 | fhffhqvb | !br |
| 19:02.33 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:02.44 | pablum | goron, additionally, the GPL does talk extensively about "custom", and custom defines preference, being an attribute of the community. |
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| 19:03.27 | cahoot | ricochet: digital as opposed to analogue transfer? |
| 19:03.32 | ryan` | cahoot: I make regular backups of my system as well, it was just kinda annoying. |
| 19:03.43 | ryan` | I probably hit ctrl-a in vi or something |
| 19:03.44 | goron | pablum: I see two times the substring custom. And they have nothing to do with it. |
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| 19:03.58 | Eulex | binarydigit, use cat on the devices in /dev/input/ and move one of the mice at a time -- that way you will be able to see which devices are fro which mice |
| 19:03.59 | goron | pablum: Please bring more powerful arguments to the table. |
| 19:04.12 | binarydigit_ | Eulex: ok thanks |
| 19:04.15 | PerfDave | Is there a GUI package for installing .deb files? |
| 19:04.27 | cougar` | I give up! FOrget tryin' to run a fricken ntpd |
| 19:04.30 | goron | PerfDave: Synaptic |
| 19:04.30 | nick23 | I see this process: sshd: nobody [net] -- what is it? |
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| 19:04.41 | ricochet | cahoot, yeah, no electrical noise, and (i think) it'll transfer the surround sound info without needing 5 wires coming from the soundcard |
| 19:04.49 | PerfDave | goron: Hmm, I couldn't see an option there... I'll look again. |
| 19:04.53 | pablum | goron, now you are using sophistry again. there are discussions of custom under the section entitled TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION, with is directly relevant to your question. |
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| 19:04.59 | goron | PerfDave: oh never mind then. |
| 19:05.07 | goron | PerfDave: I misunderstood you then. |
| 19:05.10 | quittt | do you know a website that shows an artist FULL albuns showing all music in one page? |
| 19:05.14 | slushpupie | anyone have any idea what an error of this sort might mean? |
| 19:05.14 | slushpupie | /usr/bin/ssh: /usr/lib/libk5crypto.so.3: no version information available (required by /usr/bin/ssh) |
| 19:05.43 | pablum | goron, and you said you saw no discussion of community. so you were wrong. |
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| 19:06.00 | cahoot | ricochet: ok - doesn't look like my amp has any such thing |
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| 19:06.26 | fumbalah | is there an easy way to get java working in firefox on debian |
| 19:06.27 | goron | pablum: Either my search functions in my browser are not functioning or you are talking about a different GPL . |
| 19:06.33 | myren | is .xsession supposed to be an executable script? |
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| 19:06.41 | drac | slushpupie: well.. if you have libkrb53 installed, then dunno. |
| 19:06.42 | fseek | hello |
| 19:06.42 | pablum | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.html |
| 19:07.17 | myren | i'm just trying to get my .Xresources to run at startup |
| 19:07.17 | nick23 | how do I block certain IPs from logging in via SSH? |
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| 19:07.59 | cahoot | nick23: a simple thing is to set AllowUsers in sshd_config |
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| 19:08.15 | slushpupie | nick23: if you want to block by IP (not as secure as you would hope) you can use iptables |
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| 19:08.40 | nick23 | cahoot: Yes, I did that....Someone is trying to brute-force their way into the box and I'm getting stuff like "sshd: [accepted]" in my ps auxww |
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| 19:08.50 | fseek | I've a problem with gigabit ethernet (with jumbo frames): A is a linux PC, B is a windows XP PC: the transfer rate from B to A is really low, A --> B is however OK. I tried also linux-->linux and that's ok, windows --> windows is also OK. How to solve this problem? |
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| 19:09.04 | ArtistAgent | <<<formerly perfectsound,perfectsoundprod |
| 19:09.20 | goron | pablum: I was looking at gnu.org, but they are the same documents. So come up with a sentence that talks about "community". |
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| 19:09.28 | fseek | basically I'm here to ask if anybody has the same problem... |
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| 19:09.43 | cahoot | nick23: they log in as the allowed user then? |
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| 19:10.12 | nick23 | no but my auth.log is filled with stuff like this: "Failed password for illegal user gary from 211.105.217.131 port 50086 ssh2" |
| 19:10.19 | pablum | goron, an additional weakness in your hypothesis is that if this putative ai has a proprietary language not accessible to programmers, the "source code" is in effect object code. |
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| 19:10.37 | fseek | nick23 known massive ssh brute force attack these days |
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| 19:11.03 | nick23 | fseek: sigh... |
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| 19:11.31 | Overand | So, when I try to connect to AIM via bitlbee, it times out, and when I try to connect to AIM via an ssh tunnel to the same computer that's got bitlbee, the SSH session becomes unresponsive |
| 19:11.34 | FieldySnuts | anyone know if when using nmap, i can get it to apply more than one rule? I need src or dst port \!someport as well as src or dst port \!another-port |
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| 19:11.55 | goron | pablum: That's not a weakness, that's the whole point. Since the ai has a different notion of preferred (defeating the notion of *"the"* preferred), I also could distribute stuff in machine code. |
| 19:11.56 | cahoot | nick23: fwiw - pester their isp's |
| 19:11.59 | Overand | Looks like i'm having dns issues. where's my DNS server info? |
| 19:12.00 | FieldySnuts | holy fawk this vnc session is lagged |
| 19:12.07 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.14 | Overand | FieldySnuts: thanks |
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| 19:12.37 | Overand | FieldySnuts: when i change that info, /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifconfig eth0 down up or what? |
| 19:13.04 | ryan` | is there any way to disable ipv6 on sarge? |
| 19:13.33 | grendal_prime | hey drac |
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| 19:13.53 | grendal_prime | im dinking aroud with that modual-assistant you mentioned.. |
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| 19:14.17 | Varis | hello |
| 19:14.48 | grendal_prime | it lists several modules in there that i installed pkgs for, like libmesa and whatnot. would my video work better if i installed those modules? |
| 19:14.57 | fseek | I've a problem with gigabit ethernet with jumbo frames: slow transfer rate from windows to linux. Does anybody know something about this, maybe I should set a proc value ? |
| 19:15.11 | drac | grendal_prime: probably not. |
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| 19:15.52 | Overand | After I edit the resolv.conf, how can I get the settings to be "applied?" |
| 19:15.53 | grendal_prime | its just interesting that i can put these things right into the kernel like that |
| 19:15.55 | Varis | anybody know if I can install via vitesse vsc8201 nic? |
| 19:15.58 | Varis | I have sarge images |
| 19:16.07 | fseek | mmh, no luck today :) ok. bye :) |
| 19:16.13 | grendal_prime | now...when i upgrade the kernel ill need to run this again ..(for the shfs ) that is |
| 19:17.10 | grendal_prime | that was a question drac |
| 19:17.18 | Slippy | alright who knew how to get the radeon drivers runing with accelerated 3d? |
| 19:17.27 | grendal_prime | im assuming i would need to do that anyway |
| 19:17.36 | drac | grendal_prime: yes, you need to compile all external modules again, like shfs. |
| 19:17.44 | Varis | slippy: plenty of advice in google I would think |
| 19:17.55 | grendal_prime | hmmm...thats kinda a drag |
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| 19:18.18 | Slippy | Varis: indeed there is - looking around ass we speak |
| 19:18.30 | grendal_prime | but hell on these crappy systems im using for remote terminials...i could put alot of this stuff right in the kernel...mayby would speed them up..they are pent 200's |
| 19:18.38 | drac | Slippy: What card? |
| 19:18.38 | Ipsooo | hi there |
| 19:18.49 | Varis | slippy: the drivers came with debian I assume? |
| 19:18.58 | Ipsooo | what's the partition manager used in the debian installer? parted? |
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| 19:19.03 | Varis | I'll need to do the same too... but not that far yet :-. |
| 19:19.20 | Slippy | drac: radeon 9000 ...I wanna try the xorg ones this time ;) Wanna compare it to fglrx |
| 19:19.43 | Slippy | Varis: Yeah...it's built into xorg right? |
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| 19:20.13 | drac | Slippy: Yes, it is. Add "radeon" to /etc/modules, quit X and Display Managers, "modprobe radeon" |
| 19:20.19 | drac | Slippy: Edit your xorg.conf to use driver "radeon" |
| 19:20.38 | Varis | http://www.xfree86.org/ would have docs? |
| 19:20.48 | drac | Varis: X.Org |
| 19:20.53 | fatal__ | isn't X driver radeon and ati merged nowadays? |
| 19:21.02 | Slippy | drac: Guess I should compile my kernel with a radeon module first? |
| 19:21.18 | drac | Slippy: Or use Debian 2.6 Kernel, those have they included. |
| 19:21.31 | Varis | so the driver is not part of xfree86 project(s)? |
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| 19:21.43 | cougar` | Anyone here have any experience working with and setting up NTP servers which would have a Linux box sync with a more ACCURATE external server (IE: time.nist.gov), then have the systems on my network, 2 PCs, a Mac, etc. sync with the Linux box? |
| 19:21.45 | drac | fatal__: If driver "ati" detects Radeon card, it automatically loads driver "radeon" .. |
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| 19:22.02 | dav | how does one deal with the fact that korganizer now indirectly conflicts with gaim ? |
| 19:22.17 | drac | Varis: X.Org != XFree86 |
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| 19:22.28 | Varis | who the hell are they?' |
| 19:22.46 | Slippy | drac: It's the Direct Rendering Manager with Radeon module from the kernel, right? |
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| 19:23.11 | drac | Varis: XFree86 is dead, and Debian doesn't include any new versions. They messed with license. X.Org is www.x.org, new X server, forked from XFree86. |
| 19:23.16 | coh | hey.. i have a problem with dselect ... everytime im trying to update anything, it wants to remove all my software, (kde.. etc..) somehow, all my programs are set to purge, is there anyway to reset all purged items so it doesnt want to delete everything? |
| 19:23.29 | drac | Slippy: Yes. |
| 19:24.00 | drac | Slippy: Plus you need your AGP chipset support (intel, via, nvidia, sis..) and agpgart. |
| 19:24.16 | cahoot | cougar`: as previously mentioned - chrony is well suited for your task(s) and very easy to set up |
| 19:24.51 | cougar` | cahoot : But I'm not tryin' to do that. Explain what you want me to do again plz. Thanks |
| 19:24.56 | dav | is there a major mess with aspell in testing? |
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| 19:25.27 | Slippy | drac: aight - got it |
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| 19:26.07 | cougar` | Cahoot? |
| 19:26.09 | cahoot | cougar`: it's you who want to 1. get and keep correct time on a server which 2. serves as time server for othe boxes on your LAN - no? |
| 19:26.19 | cougar` | Yes |
| 19:26.24 | cougar` | That exactly what I want to do |
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| 19:26.46 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 19:26.52 | cahoot | cougar`: yes - and that's eaxactly what I use chrony(d) for |
| 19:26.58 | Whisky_ | Im online from my phone |
| 19:27.08 | karsten | Where would I get a list of Debian tasks? |
| 19:27.17 | cougar` | cahoot: What is chrony(d). Is that, cron? |
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| 19:27.24 | Whisky_ | Ok i'm off, heh |
| 19:27.29 | cougar` | See ya Whisky_ |
| 19:27.35 | cahoot | cougar`: try apt-cache show chrony |
| 19:27.56 | cougar` | Cahoot : I apologize , I thought chrony was cron, as in, set up a cron job to run ntpdate. I'm sorry for asusmin' |
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| 19:28.12 | drac | Slippy: http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/xorg.conf (Example of working configuration with 9200 Pro) |
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| 19:28.29 | rbochan | hurray! xfe is finally updated |
| 19:28.37 | karsten | cahoot: chrony's s ntpd replacement for intermittantly connected systems. |
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| 19:28.51 | cahoot | karsten: thank you very much ;) |
| 19:29.06 | jaek | so what do i need to know about upgrading X.org? |
| 19:29.24 | cougar` | Cahoot : Sounds exactly like what I want Cahoot, help me set it up plz? I have ntp-server, ntpdate, ntp-refclock installed |
| 19:29.24 | karsten | jaek: A major world religion's prayer book. |
| 19:29.30 | rbochan | heh |
| 19:29.35 | karsten | jaek: ... or you could read the release notes. |
| 19:29.41 | jaek | karsten, sure... |
| 19:29.42 | karsten | jaek: I'm sitting this out for a few weeks. |
| 19:29.42 | varnua | anyone here handy with building .debs from tarballs, specificaly apache? |
| 19:29.44 | streuner | jaek: you need to know if you need it or NOT |
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| 19:29.48 | Slippy | drac: k thx.. I got the important parts right |
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| 19:30.30 | jaek | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/185 |
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| 19:31.03 | varnua | the debian source packages are a little too complex, 4+ separate packages are not necessary. Using the debhelper tools to try from the Apache tarball doesn't work because Apache's `make install' runs special helper scripts which break the package creation and instead copy files to the system as if I were installing it wholesale |
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| 19:31.10 | cahoot | cougar`: ntp is a much larger set of progs - chrony is a simpler install |
| 19:31.38 | Slippy | drac: zsh junkie too? :o) |
| 19:31.40 | cougar` | Good |
| 19:31.55 | cougar` | cahoot : I purged ntp-server, ntp-refclock, and ntp |
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| 19:32.06 | cahoot | cougar`: i e you muste choose between them - can't have both running on the same system |
| 19:32.19 | coh | is it possible in dselect to set all items set to purge to be installed? |
| 19:32.22 | valdyn | varnua: debs from tarballs? why? |
| 19:32.27 | dondelelcaro | varnua: uh, it's not all that complex. What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 19:32.31 | cougar` | cahoot : I want whatever will work ya know man. I've been goin' at this for a long time now. Getitn' sick of it |
| 19:32.49 | dondelelcaro | I mean, everything that runs is just a Makefile, a shell script, or perl. |
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| 19:32.59 | chad | http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=152233 describes a problem booting debian with an IDE controller, if anyone thinks they could help |
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| 19:33.33 | varnua | valdyn/dondelelcaro: I need to build a custom apache for my organization, apt-get source brings down a little too much for me to deal with, so I have been referring to documents that use debhelper to isntall stuff from tarballs |
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| 19:34.07 | cougar` | cahoot: Please help me set it up |
| 19:34.09 | varnua | dondelelcaro: the Makefile runs apache-specific scripts to install the binaries. These specific scripst break debhelper when I try to use it to create the package |
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| 19:34.18 | dondelelcaro | varnua: don't do that. |
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| 19:34.27 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.27 | Johnny132 | How do I find out what my DNS servers are? |
| 19:34.30 | dondelelcaro | varnua: what exactly do you need to change to make it customized? |
| 19:34.34 | dondelelcaro | Johnny132: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:34.52 | Johnny132 | dondelelcaro: Thank you |
| 19:34.53 | dondelelcaro | chad: you're getting a kernel panic for whatever reason. Hard to tell what is causing it. |
| 19:34.54 | aigarius | what is the "events/0" process (pid=3)? why does it eat my CPU? any ideas? |
| 19:35.03 | cougar` | Cahoot : Join #flood plz |
| 19:35.11 | coh | i think i figured it out.. /var/lib/dpgk/status .. i just search and replace change the installed status |
| 19:35.22 | valdyn | varnua: why don't you customize debians source? the changes to original apachage are seperated.. |
| 19:35.30 | brock_ | hi |
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| 19:35.38 | varnua | dondelelcaro: I need to compile some specific options into the httpd binary, customize the configs to match the existing environment |
| 19:35.38 | brock_ | there you are |
| 19:35.41 | kuja | How do I kill all processes owned by a specific user? |
| 19:35.47 | dondelelcaro | varnua: which specific options? |
| 19:35.51 | varnua | sec |
| 19:35.52 | valdyn | kuja: apt-cache show slay |
| 19:36.00 | jasoncohen | isn't broken packages one of the reasons security fixes are backported in the first place? for an application like firefox that doesn't change core libraries, why bother backporting security fixes when it's far more difficult if you still might break the package when you can just package the latest version |
| 19:36.01 | dondelelcaro | varnua: furthermore, is this apache1 or apache2? |
| 19:36.16 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: because the newer package typically has more bugs. |
| 19:36.19 | brock_ | kuja: cant you just write a script? |
| 19:36.21 | Kvant | kuja, pkill -u username |
| 19:36.31 | varnua | apache1; |
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| 19:36.44 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.44 | kuja | brock_: No, because I don't know how to. |
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| 19:37.05 | PerfDave | deepan: Do an nmap from inside? |
| 19:37.08 | kuja | valdyn, Kvant: Thank you. |
| 19:37.25 | cronic_ | can anyone help out with TC? Im trying to limit 2 seperate Ips at differnet bandwidths. Say 192.168.1.10 to 512Kbit and 192.168.1.20 to 100kbit |
| 19:37.28 | valdyn | deepan: no |
| 19:37.28 | deepan | PerfDave: really will that help |
| 19:37.29 | cronic_ | Is this possible? |
| 19:37.42 | brock_ | pkill. neat. didnt know about that one. also pgrep |
| 19:37.43 | cronic_ | Right now I have TC limiting all of 192.168.1.x to 512kbit |
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| 19:37.46 | meneg | are kernel 2.6.12 packages anywhere available? |
| 19:37.49 | PerfDave | deepan: Well, the nmap results show you what you can access on each system *from where you run it* |
| 19:37.56 | valdyn | deepan: you can however utilise the service of some websites that will do a remote portscan for you. |
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| 19:38.00 | rAz_AwAy | meneg, www.kernel.org ? |
| 19:38.10 | meneg | rAz_AwAy: debian packages |
| 19:38.12 | a1fa | what tasksel package i need for make enviroment |
| 19:38.24 | llamakc | alfa: build-essential |
| 19:38.24 | rAz_AwAy | meneg, k . i c. |
| 19:38.25 | meneg | why would I compile the kernel? |
| 19:38.27 | a1fa | thanks |
| 19:38.31 | a1fa | i always forget its name |
| 19:38.33 | a1fa | bye |
| 19:38.34 | rjordan | Morning, anyone if it's possible to get emacs to run a shell in a buffer/window? |
| 19:38.43 | dondelelcaro | meneg: it will be packaged in unstable soon, iirc. |
| 19:38.48 | meneg | k |
| 19:38.52 | dondelelcaro | rjordan: yes. |
| 19:38.55 | varnua | basically I can quite handily build apache precisely the way I want, but the debian source way has added such a ridiculous amount of stuff I don't need to have modularized that I haven't felt it worth pursuing. If you want to explain why there's apache-common plus however many other packages, I'm all ears; but the end result must be a single .deb I can use, no exceptions |
| 19:38.59 | cahoot | cougar`: ok I'm in flood |
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| 19:39.01 | varnua | I'll get you the make options |
| 19:39.07 | dondelelcaro | rjordan: M-x shell |
| 19:39.13 | rjordan | dondelelcaro, thnx much :) |
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| 19:39.34 | cougar` | Cahoot : Forget about it man. I'm gettin' disgusted. |
| 19:39.36 | rAz_AwAy | meneg, i only c kernel-headers-2.6.11-1 - Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.11 atm |
| 19:39.43 | rAz_AwAy | with apt search |
| 19:40.02 | dondelelcaro | varnua: the reason why there are multiple .debs are rather simple. the -common package provides things that the apache, apache-perl and apache-ssl packages can use. |
| 19:40.11 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, that might be true of most packages but firefox is already a stability/bug fix release so when something breaks, it's usually because of a security fix anyways |
| 19:40.19 | meneg | yeah that's what i see. i was wondering if the kernel .deb contributors have a webpage.. |
| 19:40.31 | meneg | ..but anyway |
| 19:40.41 | goron | dondelelcaro: Why are programs like "top" not working the same in M-x shell as in bash? |
| 19:40.48 | varnua | --enable-rule=SHARED_CORE --enable-module=rewrite --enable-shared=rewrite --enable-module=status --enable-shared=status --enable-module=env --enable-shared=env |
| 19:40.51 | bonez39 | I am installing a new and bigger hard drive..I read about changes with debian, to X.org and gcc4 etc....which iso should I burn to install on this new drive? |
| 19:40.52 | varnua | --enable-suexec --suexec-caller=nobody --suexec-docroot=/home |
| 19:40.57 | deepan | so valdyn PerfDave .. so nmap from inside will tell me what ports i can use to communicate to outside network and nmap from outside will tell me what ports i can use from outside.. rite |
| 19:41.00 | dondelelcaro | goron: because they expect to use ncurses |
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| 19:41.12 | dondelelcaro | M-x shell is not a real terminal |
| 19:41.13 | valdyn | jasoncohen: what you're claiming here is up to the security team to decide, if firefox change were only security fixes then they could take them over as they are , if they are not, they can not. |
| 19:41.14 | meneg | I was compiling the kernel for years, it's just that see it a waste of time nowadays and I'm only using debs. |
| 19:41.17 | rAz_AwAy | meneg, idd |
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| 19:41.45 | PerfDave | deepan: If you're asking that as a question, you may want to go read the basic networking documentation on http://www.netfilter.org/ |
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| 19:41.59 | valdyn | jasoncohen: not to forget, this release fixes an error that was *caused* by the previous bugfix release =p |
| 19:42.08 | jasoncohen | valdyn, well, they aren't- they also include bug fixes. But you might have noticed that Warty still hasn't been patched for fixes in 1.0.4 or 1.0.5 |
| 19:42.20 | greycat | bonez39: if you have to ask, you should run sarge. |
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| 19:42.22 | rjordan | dondelelcaro, apparently, I wa just trying to view a man page and it's all wierd... |
| 19:42.39 | varnua | dondelelcaro: in my case when we use apache_ssl we do not need or necessarily want things the same way; keeping things separate is to my instruction so having a -common and a vanilla, mod_perl, and mod_ssl "add on" doesn't work for me, but since I haven't had a lot of time with this, if there's a silver lining that's easy to fathom to it I can consider it |
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| 19:42.43 | jasoncohen | valdyn, you mean the frame injection patch? |
| 19:42.48 | ma3x | after i configured the .config for the kernel how do i compile? |
| 19:42.54 | greycat | ma3x: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:42.55 | jasoncohen | that was fixed and then re-entered firefox in 1.0.2 |
| 19:43.00 | valdyn | jasoncohen: no idea. i read a small changelog only |
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| 19:43.19 | bonez39 | greycat: well, isn't sarge the new standard anyway...replacing woody.....as the stable and best general option? |
| 19:43.27 | dondelelcaro | varnua: why in the world don't you want them separated? That enables other people to fix security issues so you can go on with your work |
| 19:43.31 | varnua | if by sight you can see that what I need is doable, I'd love your comments. Oh, it also needs to be in the tarball default location at /usr/local/apache, not within debian appropriate binary locations |
| 19:43.41 | dondelelcaro | varnua: why there? |
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| 19:43.54 | varnua | dondelelcaro: legacy compatability is necessary |
| 19:44.01 | dondelelcaro | varnua: so symlink it |
| 19:44.05 | batumi | hi brothers & sisters from hell |
| 19:44.05 | jasoncohen | bonez39, yes |
| 19:44.12 | brock_ | batumi: my boy |
| 19:44.20 | dondelelcaro | in either case, the only change that has to be done is to change the suexec args, that can be done by trivially modifying CONF_ARGS in debian/rules |
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| 19:44.36 | ma3x | apt-get install kernel-package build-essential <- do i have to replace kernel-package with the version? |
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| 19:44.50 | varnua | dondelelcaro: if you're saying to do this out of preference then I'll tell you that I'll be told to shut up and do it the right way, but if it's out of necessity then perhaps I can think of a way. |
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| 19:45.08 | dondelelcaro | varnua: this is "the right way" |
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| 19:45.10 | takatumi | ma3x: no |
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| 19:45.21 | goron | dondelelcaro: Does emacs have an "intelligent terminal"? |
| 19:45.28 | goron | dondelelcaro: er has |
| 19:45.33 | dondelelcaro | goron: I don't remember. Search the info documentation |
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| 19:45.42 | ma3x | and where do i put like kernel name and rev number? |
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| 19:45.53 | goron | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you. |
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| 19:46.04 | MrBallZ | what can i do, if i get an error : " debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde " , when i have apt-get all the kde and kdebase, kdecore, and configured xfree86 |
| 19:46.08 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-cache show kernel-package |
| 19:46.21 | takatumi | ma3x: did you read /msg dpkg kp? |
| 19:46.26 | ma3x | yes |
| 19:46.26 | varnua | dondelelcaro: no, what I'm asked to do is "the right way," and frankly keeping apache separated from debian binary locations is no more a hassle than a game server, etc. |
| 19:46.34 | valdyn | MrBallZ: run apt-get from X, use sux or sudo, not su |
| 19:46.43 | Talnakh | hi all, please recommend an archiving program which supports encryption, so that encrypted files will be hard to break. |
| 19:46.44 | Talnakh | ? |
| 19:46.46 | calyth | fax related question: If I only want the modem to only answer fax, I can safely disable SLIP and PPP support, right? |
| 19:47.00 | PerfDave | Talnakh: What sort of archiving do you have in mind? |
| 19:47.12 | dondelelcaro | varnua: you're going to be installing modified debian packages, so keeping it separated from those locations is no longer a valid concern. |
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| 19:47.29 | Talnakh | PerfDave, like rar or zip |
| 19:47.35 | Rockret | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.0.1-3-386/kernel/drive |
| 19:47.35 | Rockret | rs/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 19:47.35 | Rockret | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.0.1-3-386/kernel/drive |
| 19:47.35 | Rockret | rs/pci/hotplug/shpcp.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 19:47.35 | Rockret | Where do I go to find out what these modules are and how to take them out of the boot sequence ? |
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| 19:47.37 | cougar` | Okay cahoot - Thanks |
| 19:47.40 | ApEtc | ccd logs |
| 19:47.44 | PerfDave | Talnakh: You can create a rar, zip or tar file, then encrypt it with gpg |
| 19:47.48 | varnua | dondelelcaro: additionally, I am too much of a cluebie to know how to prevent the few who have admin access from overwriting our apache with the debian tree's apache |
| 19:47.50 | MrBallZ | valdyn: actually im on X , no graphic interface ... |
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| 19:47.57 | greycat | Rockret: are you root? |
| 19:48.12 | dondelelcaro | varnua: that's simple. Install apache with an epoch of 9999: or similar. |
| 19:48.15 | Rockret | me root ? |
| 19:48.18 | Rockret | nope why ? |
| 19:48.23 | greycat | when you run those modprobe commands, yes. |
| 19:48.29 | dondelelcaro | varnua: they can still overwrite it, but they have to do so explicitely. |
| 19:48.47 | varnua | dondelelcaro: alright. hmm. |
| 19:48.48 | Rockret | happen error .. while boot debian |
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| 19:48.55 | greycat | Rockret: so what is the problem? |
| 19:48.56 | dondelelcaro | varnua: what is this for, anyway? |
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| 19:49.16 | Rockret | well .. if fatal error .. |
| 19:49.28 | Rockret | FATAL: Error inserting shpchp |
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| 19:49.35 | Rockret | FATAL: Error inserting pciehp |
| 19:49.39 | FieldySnuts | @annoy Rockret |
| 19:49.39 | ravenbird | Rockret: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
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| 19:49.51 | Talnakh | PerfDave, ok i ll check about gpg. thanks. |
| 19:50.01 | Rockret | so |
| 19:50.04 | varnua | dondelelcaro: it's for our server farm. it was grown manually, moved to debian for OS administration's ease-of-use, then we had our then-current apache install debianized. now we need to upgrade it. |
| 19:50.10 | Rockret | anyone have idea to sove that |
| 19:50.10 | beaufils | any idea why on sid some manpages are not displayed completely (man man stop before the end of the pages for instance). |
| 19:50.12 | MrBallZ | valdyn, it says that it cant locate Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde.pm in ..... |
| 19:50.16 | greycat | Rockret: and what is the problem that is causes? |
| 19:50.18 | greycat | what doesn't work? |
| 19:50.30 | ma3x | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 19:50.31 | ma3x | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
| 19:50.34 | PerfDave | Talnakh: Do yourself a favour and use tar rather than rar or unzip; it's much more widely compatiable and useful. |
| 19:50.39 | Rockret | one message error |
| 19:50.43 | ma3x | this package is not in the apt-cache |
| 19:50.45 | ma3x | ncurses-devel |
| 19:50.49 | dondelelcaro | varnua: right... that's why you should seriously consider using the already packaged .debs or the same with as few modifications as possible. |
| 19:50.59 | valdyn | MrBallZ: dpkg-reconfigure -fdialog debconf |
| 19:51.06 | Rockret | look one explain to my nvidia drivers do not work |
| 19:51.14 | Rockret | may be .. that |
| 19:51.17 | llamakc | libncurses5-dev is the package |
| 19:51.24 | varnua | dondelelcaro: we have a ton of shell tools that play with configs in specific locations, some not contained within debian packages. these scripts will break if configs are suddenly placed into wherever the debian apache thinks it should go |
| 19:51.25 | MrBallZ | valdyn: ok let me try |
| 19:51.36 | dondelelcaro | varnua: that's why symlinks were invented |
| 19:51.37 | calyth | ma3x: try libncurses-dev |
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| 19:52.02 | greycat | Rockret: so if we tell you how to blacklist those modules, so you can make those messages go away, then you'll be all happy, yes? |
| 19:52.05 | ma3x | thanks |
| 19:52.07 | dondelelcaro | varnua: and in either case, the only config file that matters is /etc/apache/httpd.conf; which can trivially be modified to include any configuration file you desire. |
| 19:52.09 | greycat | !tell Rockret about blacklist |
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| 19:52.31 | greycat | I don't think it'll make your nvidia crap work, but hey, at least it answers the question you *literally* asked, instead of the real question. |
| 19:52.45 | dondelelcaro | varnua: you should probably also be running your own local Debian mirrors so that only packages that have been vetted on your testing systems can be installed too... |
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| 19:53.08 | varnua | dondelelcaro: we already run our own debian mirror and private repository, of course. |
| 19:53.10 | ma3x | if i have my .config already do i have to type make oldconfig or make menuconfig? |
| 19:53.17 | greycat | ma3x: neither. |
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| 19:53.36 | takatumi | ma3x: did you get the appropriate kernel-source? |
| 19:53.39 | dondelelcaro | varnua: good, then you shouldn't be worrying about people installing other versions of packages, because the only version of apache that should be available to those machines is the custom one. |
| 19:53.41 | greycat | the first thing m-k does it make oldconfig for you. |
| 19:53.42 | ma3x | takatumi yes |
| 19:53.49 | ma3x | and i have configured it with xconfig |
| 19:53.54 | ma3x | and saved to .config |
| 19:53.54 | greycat | (*damn* I still can't type "is", "it", "in" correctly) |
| 19:53.56 | Rockret | oh ok |
| 19:54.05 | ma3x | now make menuconfig? |
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| 19:54.15 | greycat | ma3x: you are being stupid. stop that. |
| 19:54.21 | Rockret | fatal error ... remember windows ... |
| 19:54.26 | Rockret | lol |
| 19:54.28 | jake1932 | is there any way to start over without using the cd? |
| 19:54.30 | ma3x | greycat : come on, i dont wanna do it dpkg's way |
| 19:54.31 | pureone | what module should i load to get MYSON Technology Inc SURECOM EP-320X-S 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter working ? |
| 19:54.32 | ma3x | i wanna do it my way |
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| 19:54.44 | MrBallZ | valdyn: why do i still get the : debconf falling back to frontend: Dialog |
| 19:54.51 | takatumi | ma3x: then do it, why whine here? |
| 19:55.15 | ma3x | because i experience troubles |
| 19:55.32 | varnua | dondelelcaro: you're making extremely valid points here but the fact remains that I'm looking at so much more time to wrestle the existing package source to my liking when I was originally searching for a debhelper solution which has worked prior to Apache very well. Consider for a moment that Apache's Makefile just used the system `install' |
| 19:55.49 | varnua | dondelelcaro: this would have been a non-issue and I'd have exactly what I want, ideal to debian or not |
| 19:56.06 | varnua | of course, this is a moot point, but you should get what I mean. |
| 19:56.24 | myren | god DAMN are these kde window decorations overdone.... kde-look.org |
| 19:56.33 | csdgp | MrBallZ: your debconf is configured to use something other than Dialog, which is not available, so it goes back to the basic method of getting answers. |
| 19:56.35 | dondelelcaro | varnua: everyone uses the system's install; that's not a problem. The debhelper stuff is there for a specific reason; it makes making subtle changes to the tens of thousands of packages that are in the debian repository possible without making individual changes to every single rules file. |
| 19:56.52 | MrBallZ | csdgp: i just told debconf to use KDE |
| 19:56.53 | csdgp | usually when you're configured to use graphical method & in shell |
| 19:56.57 | greycat | ma3x: so... like, we tell you how to do it, then you don't listen to us, and then it doesn't work. And then you *complain*? |
| 19:57.23 | takatumi | ma3x: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 19:57.43 | dondelelcaro | varnua: the actual installation of files into debian/tmp or debian/packagename is (typically) done using the upstream Makefile. However, installing/setting up/configuring the configuration files, init files, manpages, documentation, etc. is typically done with debhelper. |
| 19:58.18 | dondelelcaro | varnua: in the cases that it's not, it's done manually in the rules file in a way that is almost equivalent to what debhelper actually does, it's just more verbose. |
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| 19:58.39 | varnua | dondelelcaro: yes, what I'm saying is that Apache doesn't use the system's install function. It uses its own. |
| 19:59.00 | dondelelcaro | varnua: eh, that's fine. It doesn't matter what gets used, so long as it ends up in the proper place. |
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| 19:59.19 | brock_ | how come my debian system doesnt require defragmentation like a win system does? |
| 19:59.40 | MrBallZ | csdgp: i just told debconf to use KDE and when i try to configure xfree86 at the end it keeps telling me that it was unable to initialize the front end KDE .... anything that im missing ? |
| 19:59.41 | dondelelcaro | brock_: modern filesystems generally don't need that. |
| 19:59.41 | Eulex | brock_, it has a good file system, unlike windows |
| 19:59.44 | takatumi | brock_: hands twiddling but the drives fine? |
| 19:59.48 | varnua | confound: the process, followed word for word, doesn't put files into debian/tmp or debian/packagename, it puts them into that system's /usr/local/apache/bin and etc. |
| 20:00.07 | jake1932 | is there anyway to downgrade to 2.4.24? |
| 20:00.16 | csdgp | MrBallZ: Are you in a shell or an X terminal? |
| 20:00.16 | varnua | err |
| 20:00.23 | varnua | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 20:00.24 | brock_ | that doesnt really answer my question |
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| 20:00.50 | brock_ | how does ext3 know to place the inodes next to one another on the physical disk? |
| 20:00.53 | MrBallZ | csdgp, shell, i dont have any xwindow manager working, actuallly that's what im trying to fix |
| 20:01.09 | dondelelcaro | varnua: yes, that's not all that unusual. |
| 20:01.19 | dondelelcaro | varnua: not everyting obeys DISTDIR |
| 20:01.20 | csdgp | brock_: Unix fs's are much more picky about using free space and putting files together, rather than fragmented all over the system at random like NTFS and FAT |
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| 20:01.28 | deadcat | xserver-xorg update in sid. wonder whtas changed |
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| 20:01.39 | brock_ | thanks, csdgp. how does it know to do that? |
| 20:01.49 | varnua | dondelelcaro: alright, willing to donate some wizardry towards that cause? |
| 20:01.55 | ducky_ | when browsing the windows network my debian box shows up as Samba 3.0.14a-Debian (Grievous), how do I make it just show Grievous? |
| 20:02.01 | csdgp | MrBallZ: That's why. It can't init the KDE stuff because it doesn't have an X display in which to do it. |
| 20:02.12 | MrBallZ | arrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg, i still have the agpgart problems !!! , is there a way to download that module, or how to put it to work , " error: GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart ( no such file or directory ) |
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| 20:02.42 | dondelelcaro | varnua: it's all in debian/rules; there's a reason why the rules file is > 700 lines long |
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| 20:02.49 | greycoin | i want to upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6, but that ruins my nvidia installation. is there a way around this? |
| 20:03.02 | takatumi | deadcat: aptitude changelog xserver-xorg |
| 20:03.14 | greycat | yeah, upgrade back to 2.4 |
| 20:03.17 | cbr | greycoin: reinstall nvidia? |
| 20:03.19 | abrotman | MrBallZ: which kernel ? |
| 20:03.21 | brock_ | for example, if i write a 500M file on a disk with only 500M, but spread over two places on the disk, how does it put them next to one another? |
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| 20:03.31 | deadcat | takatumi: no aptitude |
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| 20:03.43 | dondelelcaro | varnua: in the case of apache, it's actually remarkably simple, because apache doesn't actually have all that much stuff to install anyway |
| 20:03.57 | greycoin | cbr: just over the previous install? |
| 20:04.18 | cbr | what previous installation? they end up at different dirs if your talking about the kernel module |
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| 20:04.28 | greycoin | cbr: makes sense |
| 20:04.40 | MrBallZ | abrotman: 2.6.2-8 |
| 20:04.43 | dondelelcaro | (most of the other 700 lines is dealing with the few dozen packages that the apache build process makes) |
| 20:04.50 | abrotman | MrBallZ: and you have no agpgart.ko ? |
| 20:04.56 | varnua | dondelelcaro: I'm still listening. :) |
| 20:05.02 | varnua | digging through the rules file again |
| 20:05.02 | MrBallZ | abrotman: 2.6.8-2-686 , sorry |
| 20:05.09 | abrotman | MrBallZ: and you have no agpgart.ko ? |
| 20:05.12 | greycoin | cbr: if I need to switch back to vesa to get a gui up without nvidia, how do I do that? |
| 20:05.16 | MrBallZ | let me check |
| 20:05.34 | MrBallZ | abrotman: where should it be , im pretty sure i do saw it ... |
| 20:05.56 | csdgp | brock_: They are designed to optimize where things are being placed. Different FSs handle it differently. For example, ReiserFS packs the loose ends of different files together to use up space rather than wasting it. I don't know all the details, but a good book on unix file systems should describe it. |
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| 20:06.28 | csdgp | Alternatively, you could look at the ReiserFS website -- they have the technical stuff available there. |
| 20:06.35 | abrotman | MrBallZ: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.ko |
| 20:06.46 | dondelelcaro | varnua: here's a hint: install $(V)/src/apache debian/apache/usr/sbin |
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| 20:06.56 | abrotman | pablum: did you say something ? |
| 20:06.58 | Varis | hm |
| 20:07.02 | pablum | :) |
| 20:07.12 | Varis | should I take precautions when installing sarge on 64bit system? |
| 20:07.15 | goron | pablum: You should be on my ignore list. |
| 20:07.22 | pablum | ? |
| 20:07.37 | MrBallZ | abrotman: yes i do have it ... |
| 20:07.38 | Varis | like why does the kernel-image-2.4 produce dependecy problems... |
| 20:07.44 | Varis | something about module lists... |
| 20:07.47 | coh | anyone here use a wacom tablet driver? |
| 20:07.53 | brock_ | ya, i figured it was some technical detail that no one really understands too well. i'm curious about more details than 'linux is good at it, and windows is not' |
| 20:07.55 | coh | im using kernel 2.6.8 .. |
| 20:07.57 | goron | !wacom |
| 20:07.57 | dpkg | [wacom] 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :) |
| 20:08.01 | brock_ | thanks, csdgp. i might look that up |
| 20:08.40 | csdgp | brock_: no prob. it's not as much that people don't understand -- it's difficult to explain in this kind of forum. Takes a *lot* of pages to describe in detail :) |
| 20:08.55 | coh | yeah.. im using kernel 2.6.8 .. it crashes my system.. |
| 20:09.01 | coh | i think i have to use 2.6.11+ |
| 20:09.14 | varnua | dondelelcaro: roger that. Thank you very much. |
| 20:09.38 | Varis | device /dev/hdi2 is not a block device it says |
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| 20:11.15 | abrotman | MrBallZ: then why doesn't it work? |
| 20:11.26 | dondelelcaro | varnua: np |
| 20:11.31 | Varis | what's wrong with my sata? |
| 20:11.57 | dondelelcaro | varnua: but if at all possible, try to use the real live Debian packages. They will save lots of time, and quite a bit of sanity. |
| 20:12.37 | varnua | varnua: basically, we're to the point of using ar to take apart and rebuild the package selectively |
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| 20:12.56 | stew | yikes |
| 20:13.00 | greycat | talking to yourself would be one of those signs of loss of sanity. |
| 20:13.04 | varnua | for how few things get installed, the debian way of messing with apache is really overdone to cater to it's "debian-ness" |
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| 20:13.14 | varnua | greycat: yes, long gone. |
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| 20:13.23 | stew | a sign of impending mental collapse according to infocom iirc |
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| 20:14.21 | cello_rasp | I just ran "mke2fs -c -j -L / /dev/hda2" and it checked the blocks and wrote the inode tables but on "creating journal" it returned "mke2fs: no such file or directory while trying to create journal". is this catastrophic? Do i need to run mke2fs again? If so, what parameter is it missing - or simply can I safely install to this partition now? |
| 20:14.25 | dondelelcaro | varnua: not really... you have to understand that that single source package builds a bunch of different apache variants. |
| 20:14.48 | dondelelcaro | varnua: in all but extreeme cases, it should suffice; your case really isn't all that extreeme frankly. |
| 20:15.12 | dondelelcaro | varnua: but in either case, do whatever you want... I've done my job. |
| 20:15.15 | varnua | dondelelcaro: but in my case I would still have to build 2 debian packages out of the source stuff |
| 20:15.25 | dondelelcaro | varnua: so? |
| 20:15.37 | abrotman | yeah .. so? |
| 20:15.40 | varnua | indeed. the future is in my hands and I'm not the one versus doing it the "right" way |
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| 20:15.59 | varnua | the current debian package that works is one package. 2 is the devil! |
| 20:16.08 | varnua | they want another debian package that works, not 2! |
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| 20:16.28 | dondelelcaro | riight... so you're working for a bunch of insane maniacs. |
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| 20:16.56 | varnua | it's not as bad as it sounds. just that for now I need to get stuff working with current binaries before I change things they're used to |
| 20:17.01 | abrotman | does maniac imply insanity? |
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| 20:17.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: often, yes. |
| 20:17.23 | stew | !dict maniac |
| 20:17.25 | dpkg | Dictionary 'maniac' Maniac \Ma"ni*ac\, a. [F. maniaque. See Mania.] Raving with madness; raging with disordered intellect; affected with mania; mad. |
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| 20:17.42 | stew | sounce like it |
| 20:17.57 | stew | ^sounce^sounds |
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| 20:18.04 | EdibleText | insaniac |
| 20:18.21 | Nexus | If I have an ftp user writing files, how do I get it to write files with 775 permissions? |
| 20:18.29 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: change the umask. |
| 20:18.55 | crystalremo | i can't seem to get the find command to work... im trying to find files in the current directory older than 7 days and then i want to move those files into a folder called old. so the command i have is "find ./ -mtime +7 -exec mv {} old ;" how do i write the exec part of it correctly? |
| 20:18.56 | Nexus | In the ftp software? |
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| 20:19.02 | MrBallZ | abrotman: one day it just stayed in console mode , and when i loged in , kdm nor kde nor nothing wanted to work , it told me the same thing about agpgart , that was on kernel 2.6.8-2-686 , but if i booted from 2.4.27 KDE worked just fine .... and well, i decided to install xorg using a guide that used an ubuntu repository to do it , the thing is that i fucked up xfree and xorg didn't work , so im trying to clean the mess, a |
| 20:19.03 | MrBallZ | nd it seems im back to where i was at the begining , KDE not running because of the agpgart driver/module not being on the system, even when agpgart.ko is there |
| 20:19.03 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: yes. |
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| 20:19.34 | abrotman | MrBallZ: try using the vesa driver .. just to see if X sitll workds |
| 20:19.34 | crystalremo | does the !dict thing work for any words? |
| 20:19.51 | ultraviolet16 | does anyone know how to translate outlook mailing list into linux format? |
| 20:19.54 | dondelelcaro | crystalremo: /msg dpkg dict fooword; instead. |
| 20:20.03 | dondelelcaro | !anyone know |
| 20:20.03 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 20:20.04 | stew | ultraviolet16: mailing list? or .pst? |
| 20:20.09 | brock_ | ultra: what do you mean linux format? |
| 20:20.17 | ultraviolet16 | the .pst has the address book in there right? |
| 20:20.25 | brock_ | how bout using thunderbird? |
| 20:20.33 | EdibleText | crystalremo, -exec mv "{}" old \; |
| 20:20.49 | crystalremo | EdibleText: ahh thanks so much |
| 20:20.50 | MrBallZ | abrotman: ok let me try |
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| 20:20.53 | ultraviolet16 | brock_: what's thunderbird? |
| 20:21.02 | brock_ | mozilla's mail reader |
| 20:21.12 | brock_ | what do you want? what do you mean linux format/ |
| 20:21.19 | brock_ | what program do you want to use? |
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| 20:21.49 | deadcat | if i am getting alot of Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/....deb is that mean they are in but still waiting to be moved to the directory? |
| 20:21.56 | dondelelcaro | but that's just me. |
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| 20:22.21 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: often, yes. |
| 20:22.21 | EdibleText | crystalremo, I would do it the dondelelcaro way(tm) |
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| 20:22.24 | GodKilla- | hey |
| 20:22.27 | ultraviolet16 | brock_: ok sorry. let's say I have an outlook.pst file and i want the mailing list from it |
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| 20:22.31 | GodKilla- | does debian support RPM ? |
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| 20:22.43 | greycat | no |
| 20:22.45 | dondelelcaro | GodKilla-: no, we beat rpm up in dark alleys around midnight. |
| 20:22.51 | GodKilla- | lol |
| 20:22.54 | stew | GodKilla-: why do you ask? |
| 20:22.55 | EdibleText | !seen rpm |
| 20:22.57 | dpkg | EdibleText: i haven't seen 'rpm' |
| 20:23.00 | slushpupie | GodKilla-: you can use alien to get data out of an rpm if needed |
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| 20:23.06 | GodKilla- | stew, because i want to install mysql |
| 20:23.08 | EdibleText | dpkg, botsnack |
| 20:23.10 | MrBallZ | abrotman: now i have another probelm " xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux " , when im configuring xfree86 ,, it cant detect the mouse .... but if i boot with a knoppix cd everything is ok in the computer, video and mouse and everything .... |
| 20:23.12 | stew | GodKilla-: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 20:23.13 | GodKilla- | The recommended way to install MySQL on Linux is by using the RPM packages |
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| 20:23.18 | brock_ | i dont know much about outlook. but i suspect it depends on what you want to do with it when you get it |
| 20:23.23 | GodKilla- | stew that works? |
| 20:23.25 | GodKilla- | kewl |
| 20:23.26 | stew | yes |
| 20:23.29 | stew | GodKilla-: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:23.30 | GodKilla- | thx :d |
| 20:23.36 | dondelelcaro | GodKilla-: I'd suggest not following any more recommendations of whoever made that recommendation. |
| 20:23.43 | ultraviolet16 | I just want the mailing list that was On this computer |
| 20:23.44 | dondelelcaro | they're quite obviously on some serious crack. |
| 20:23.51 | ultraviolet16 | the file is semi-corrupt |
| 20:23.55 | ultraviolet16 | i'm trying to recover what i can |
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| 20:24.04 | EdibleText | ultraviolet16, a pst? |
| 20:24.05 | GodKilla- | dondelelcaro: mysql.com made that recommendation |
| 20:24.09 | csdgp | GodKilla-: The RPM recommendation only is good for systems using RPM packages. :) |
| 20:24.10 | abrotman | MrBallZ: /dev/input/mice |
| 20:24.22 | deadcat | i am just waiting for a 2.6.12 grsecurity patch |
| 20:24.25 | GodKilla- | guessesd so csdgp |
| 20:24.29 | GodKilla- | -.- |
| 20:24.29 | brock_ | so it's a .pst? |
| 20:24.29 | dondelelcaro | GodKilla-: yerp. Definetly serious crack. |
| 20:24.33 | ultraviolet16 | EdibleText: yea, I got the pst thinking the mail list is in there.. or the address book |
| 20:24.35 | GodKilla- | lol? |
| 20:24.50 | GodKilla- | mysql.com invented mysql |
| 20:24.53 | ultraviolet16 | well I still have access to the hd... sometimes, what else do you guys think i should get? |
| 20:24.59 | GodKilla- | thats no crack |
| 20:25.04 | GodKilla- | anyway, thanks :D |
| 20:25.04 | EdibleText | ultraviolet16, i would use the scanpst.exe "utility" included with the ms office suite (requires windows) |
| 20:25.15 | MrBallZ | abrotman: let me try that ... |
| 20:25.23 | dondelelcaro | no, they were too cheap to afford crack... they started by smoking oven cleaner from a brillo pad... |
| 20:25.46 | cougar` | Anyone here have any experience working with and setting up NTP servers which would have a Linux box sync with a more ACCURATE external server (IE: time.nist.gov), then have the systems on my network, 2 PCs, a Mac, etc. sync with the Linux box? |
| 20:25.46 | stew | ultraviolet16: in theory you could email a bunch of vcard attachements to yourself or whatever those things are |
| 20:26.03 | Varis | is there a howto on installing on SATA system? |
| 20:26.07 | EdibleText | I would smoke oven cleaner only from a brand new brillo pad |
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| 20:26.18 | EdibleText | I have standards |
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| 20:26.25 | brock_ | ultra: apt-cache search readpst |
| 20:26.27 | dondelelcaro | Varis: it's fairly straight forward. Stick installation media in. Boot. Install. |
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| 20:26.41 | stew | Varis: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 20:26.48 | ultraviolet16 | thanks guys |
| 20:26.50 | Varis | donde: it says not a block device when installing kernel image |
| 20:26.54 | daxxar | What's the best way to mirror a full disk, and then partition it into an encrypted and a non-encrypted area? (Using debian with 2.6 kernel) |
| 20:26.55 | ultraviolet16 | i have access to a windows machine in the other room |
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| 20:27.00 | ultraviolet16 | should I just go use that? |
| 20:27.02 | stew | Varis: are you using a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel to install? |
| 20:27.03 | Nexus | I have a new and an old debian box. One of them has secure home dir's, the other doesn't. I'm wondering how you turn on default secure home dirs? |
| 20:27.08 | Varis | so I thought I was doing something wrong |
| 20:27.10 | MrBallZ | abrotman: I'm still getting the " debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde " and then it says it cant locate " Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde.pm in @INC and that @INC contains los of perl stuff ... |
| 20:27.15 | Varis | or not doing something to be exact |
| 20:27.18 | brock_ | i've never messed with outlook, but there's a deb for that package. maybe get the pst, and see if you can manipulate it |
| 20:27.18 | daxxar | dm-crypt and dm-mirror? |
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| 20:27.44 | abrotman | MrBallZ: so stop trying to use KDE as your frontend .. i have no idea why you'd want to do that anyways |
| 20:27.48 | ultraviolet16 | lets give it a shot |
| 20:27.50 | Varis | stew: the default.. it tries to install 2.4 image but says modules.dep cannot be rebuilt until reboot |
| 20:27.53 | green_earz | Nexus: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 20:28.03 | stew | Varis: try the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:28.07 | abrotman | MrBallZ: dpkg-reconfigure debconf .. pick dialog |
| 20:28.13 | MrBallZ | abrotman: hehehe, im just trying to repair xfree86 and use KDE again ... |
| 20:28.17 | Varis | 2.4.27 is running |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | MrBallZ: and if that doesn't work .. we get to edit happy fun files |
| 20:28.20 | PissedTrixBunny | I can't start apache because the command AuthUserFile is invalid. I was wondering how do I load the modules for apache... and make that command work in debian. I basically copied the config file from Fedora Core 3 over to Debian's apache |
| 20:28.25 | Varis | hmm... is there a boot image with 2.6? |
| 20:28.35 | EdibleText | ultraviolet16, them damn pstees are brittle and flaky, good qualities in certain types of pastries, but not for mbox/adressbooks/calender data |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | mod_auth needed ? |
| 20:28.53 | stew | Varis: type linux26 at the boot prompt (hitting f3 would have told you this) |
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| 20:28.59 | EdibleText | ultraviolet16, youre best bet would be with the window supplied tools |
| 20:29.01 | Nexus | green_earz, Cool, thank you. Do yo uknow what that edit's? |
| 20:29.03 | MrBallZ | abrotman: ok, just reconfigured debconf to use dialog, should i reconfigure xfree 86 ? |
| 20:29.04 | abrotman | or read the install guide ... you know .. instructions :) |
| 20:29.09 | abrotman | MrBallZ: good plan |
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| 20:29.15 | ultraviolet16 | EdibleText: let's see... let's see |
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| 20:29.33 | green_earz | Nexus: sorry no |
| 20:29.36 | EdibleText | ultraviolet16, they hide it.. its called scanpst.exe |
| 20:29.52 | Eulex | Varis, on a sata system, you'll have to change root=/dev/hdXN to root=/dev/sdXN in the kernel boot options to use a 2.6 kernel, afaik |
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| 20:29.58 | sly007 | Hi, gvim version 6.1 is installed on my computer, I would like the tatest version, what should I do? |
| 20:30.00 | GodKilla- | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.skynet.be sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB5E459A529B8BDA |
| 20:30.00 | GodKilla- | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 20:30.09 | csdgp | PissedTrixBunny: look at a2enmod for enabling modules. |
| 20:30.11 | GodKilla- | it appeared when doinh apt-get update |
| 20:30.11 | abrotman | !tell GodKilla- about apt secure |
| 20:30.14 | stew | sly007: apt-get install gvim |
| 20:30.14 | Eulex | GodKilla-, running sid? |
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| 20:30.29 | sly007 | stew, E: Couldn't find package gvim |
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| 20:30.33 | GodKilla- | whats sid? |
| 20:30.34 | Peterken | !tell Peterken about apt secure |
| 20:30.37 | MrBallZ | abrotman: it looked like x was coming up, when i did a startx , but then it gave me the damm mouse error :S |
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| 20:30.49 | abrotman | MrBallZ: /dev/input/mice |
| 20:30.56 | Eulex | GodKilla-, debian unstable, and if you are using it, you should know what it is |
| 20:30.57 | cmatheso1 | i'm setting up a mail server right now and am trying to decide what i want to use for the database... i'm thinking about mysql or openldap--any suggestions? |
| 20:31.05 | GodKilla- | no i have sarge |
| 20:31.05 | liable | GodKilla-: dpkg -l apt |
| 20:31.09 | Johnny132 | How do I change the permissions to a directory, so that its contents are accessable by others? |
| 20:31.10 | abrotman | certainly not mysql |
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| 20:31.20 | abrotman | chmod a+rx |
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| 20:31.26 | abrotman | at least +r |
| 20:31.27 | Varis | eulex: when booting the installed system? |
| 20:31.30 | Johnny132 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:31.41 | Eulex | sly007, apt-get install vim-gtk |
| 20:31.41 | Johnny132 | abrotman: Will that also do the contents of the directory? |
| 20:31.41 | abrotman | Johnny132: depends what you really want to let them do |
| 20:31.44 | Eulex | Varis, yes |
| 20:31.48 | stew | sly007: sorry i dunno the package name, figure that out and apt-get install pkgname |
| 20:31.49 | Varis | sarge = stable? |
| 20:31.51 | abrotman | Johnny132: as oppsed to ? |
| 20:31.56 | stew | sly007: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:32.02 | etbotw | hi to all |
| 20:32.03 | csdgp | Johnny132: add -R if you want to recursively change perms. |
| 20:32.05 | MrBallZ | abrotman: im using that /dev/input/mice |
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| 20:32.19 | abrotman | MrBallZ: is your mouse plugged in .. is it USB? PS/2? |
| 20:32.21 | Johnny132 | abrotman: Only the directory, I want others to be able to see everything within the directory... |
| 20:32.28 | MrBallZ | abrotman: could it be some hardware thing ? even if knoppix boots up ok, and everything is ok ? |
| 20:32.32 | Eulex | Varis, yes |
| 20:32.35 | GodKilla- | liable: ii apt 0.6.38 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 20:32.40 | MrBallZ | abrotman: its ps2 and it is pluged in .... |
| 20:32.42 | GodKilla- | is what i get when doing that |
| 20:32.45 | etbotw | does someone can help me about CGI ? |
| 20:32.46 | abrotman | Johnny132: i think +r will do it |
| 20:32.49 | sly007 | Eulex, E: Couldn't find package vim-gtk |
| 20:32.56 | abrotman | MrBallZ: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
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| 20:33.07 | stew | sly007: what version of debian? |
| 20:33.10 | csdgp | MrBallZ: ps2 is probably /dev/psaux (at leat for me it is) |
| 20:33.15 | stew | sly007: sounds like your sources.list isn't setup properly |
| 20:33.16 | PissedTrixBunny | csdgp, where is a2enmod? |
| 20:33.17 | liable | GodKilla-: um, you arent running sarge, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:33.18 | Varis | thanks... |
| 20:33.19 | GodKilla- | abrotman: what apt secure? |
| 20:33.21 | binarydigit_ | how can i adjust the speed of a specific mouse device |
| 20:33.25 | abrotman | csdgp: /dev/input/mice should work |
| 20:33.26 | Johnny132 | abrotman: I'll give it a try. |
| 20:33.30 | abrotman | GodKilla-: did you read what dpkg said ? |
| 20:33.31 | deadcat | which package contains xorg.conf or XF86Config-4? |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 20:33.33 | dpkg | well, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated |
| 20:33.41 | stew | deadcat: none |
| 20:33.44 | csdgp | PissedTrixBunny: /usr/sbin I believe. locate should tell you where it is |
| 20:33.45 | Eulex | sly007, what are you running?? vim-gtk is in oldstable, stable, testing and unstable |
| 20:33.51 | MrBallZ | csdgp: that is what i was using befor .... im starting to think i have HW problems ... |
| 20:34.08 | sly007 | Eulex, how can I know my debian version? |
| 20:34.14 | abrotman | MrBallZ: better than ED problems |
| 20:34.22 | GodKilla- | liable: testing/unstable |
| 20:34.23 | stew | deadcat: its generated by debconf via package xserver-x{free86|org} |
| 20:34.24 | MrBallZ | abrotman: ED ??? |
| 20:34.29 | abrotman | MrBallZ: viagara |
| 20:34.29 | Eulex | GodKilla- & sly007, what does /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 20:34.29 | GodKilla- | thought it would be sarge |
| 20:34.32 | deadcat | stew: ah.cool |
| 20:34.34 | MrBallZ | hahahahahaa |
| 20:34.35 | Varis | should I use expert mode? |
| 20:34.35 | MrBallZ | :P |
| 20:34.38 | stew | sly007: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:34.45 | deadcat | Varis: are you expert? |
| 20:34.49 | shingouz | GodKilla-: testing and unstable are two different things |
| 20:34.52 | MrBallZ | abrotman: should it be better to just reinstall everything ? |
| 20:34.52 | GodKilla- | eulex: a list of ftps |
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| 20:35.05 | GodKilla- | shingouz: thats what the file contains |
| 20:35.06 | Varis | it always sonds good :-) |
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| 20:35.07 | sly007 | Eulex, rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/i386 os updates freshrpms |
| 20:35.09 | abrotman | MrBallZ: if you have hardware issues .. probably won't make a difference .. check to see if your mouse is shown with dmesg |
| 20:35.14 | MrBallZ | abrotman: like in windows, when something fails and cant repair , just reinstal ... |
| 20:35.17 | deadcat | Varis: then do it |
| 20:35.19 | sly007 | Eulex, and rpm-src http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/i386 os updates freshrpms |
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| 20:35.22 | stew | sly007: wrong channel |
| 20:35.26 | stew | sly007: thats not debian at all |
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| 20:35.32 | PissedTrixBunny | csdgp, I am not running apache 2+ is that the reason why I don't have a2enmod? |
| 20:35.40 | Eulex | sly007, begone!!! you're running something with *shudder* rpm's |
| 20:35.42 | MrBallZ | abrotman: dmesg says : psmouse.c: bad data from KBC - timeout |
| 20:35.43 | stew | sly007: what does cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 20:35.46 | Varis | ok how do i boot 2.6 in expert mode? ;p |
| 20:35.50 | shingouz | GodKilla-: check in /etc/apt/sources.list. if your sources point to Sid or unstable you have a problem imho |
| 20:35.58 | sdk | can i ask a question about shred library programming here? |
| 20:35.58 | abrotman | MrBallZ: oh .. that's probably not good |
| 20:36.00 | stew | Varis: hit f3 ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:36.00 | csdgp | PissedTrixBunny: that would be a good reason :) Sorry -- bad assumption |
| 20:36.07 | abrotman | Varis: expert26 |
| 20:36.09 | sly007 | stew, Red Hat Linux release 8.0 (Psyche) |
| 20:36.10 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:36.11 | dpkg | from memory, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 20:36.16 | stew | sly007: /join redhat |
| 20:36.22 | abrotman | #redhat even |
| 20:36.23 | Eulex | sly007, then why are you here? |
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| 20:36.29 | Johnny132 | abrotman: It only changed the directory's permissions... |
| 20:36.46 | abrotman | Johnny132: chmod a+r * in that directory |
| 20:36.53 | Eulex | GodKilla-, does it say woody, sarge, etch, sid, oldstable, stable, testing or unstable? |
| 20:37.00 | EdibleText | Johnny132, -R # recursive |
| 20:37.04 | abrotman | or that |
| 20:37.12 | abrotman | i wans't sure if that's what he wanted .. since he didn't say |
| 20:37.14 | sly007 | Eulex, because I thought the distrib of that host was debian |
| 20:37.15 | GodKilla- | eulex: the file says "testing/unstable" |
| 20:37.28 | GodKilla- | shingouz: they do not point to sid |
| 20:37.30 | MrBallZ | fsck .... damn computer ... |
| 20:37.39 | shingouz | GodKilla-: what do they point to then? |
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| 20:37.45 | MrBallZ | damn boss doesnt want to give me this laptop im using right now .... |
| 20:37.47 | Varis | maybe this image does not have 2.6... |
| 20:37.49 | EdibleText | abrotman, heh yeah.. could get bad real fast if in the wrong dir |
| 20:38.03 | Eulex | GodKilla-, I said /etc/apt/sources.list -- there should be something like "deb ftp://ftp.du.se/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 20:38.09 | GodKilla- | shingouz: to sarge, stable, tsting and unstable |
| 20:38.23 | PissedTrixBunny | if I have apache as the default package from apt-get... is it okay to get apache 2, will I have to remove apache 1 and then install apache 2? what's the procedure? |
| 20:38.23 | csdgp | PissedTrixBunny: The apache 1.x modules configuration is in /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 20:38.33 | shingouz | GodKilla-: all of them? damn. your system is screwed up |
| 20:38.33 | stew | GodKilla-: what install media did you use? a knoppix cd? |
| 20:38.34 | GodKilla- | eulex: yeah there are a bunch of ftps |
| 20:38.50 | GodKilla- | stew: no life cd |
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| 20:38.56 | GodKilla- | shingouz: not all |
| 20:38.56 | csdgp | PissedTrixBunny: You can install apache2 and 1.x simultaneously -- they're two separate directory trees |
| 20:38.56 | stew | GodKilla-: what is that? |
| 20:39.03 | EdibleText | nice |
| 20:39.04 | Eulex | GodKilla-, what does the main debian ftp say? |
| 20:39.06 | shingouz | GodKilla-: what the hell did you install it with? |
| 20:39.16 | GodKilla- | shingouz: netinstall |
| 20:39.18 | EdibleText | no life cd |
| 20:39.23 | Johnny132 | abrotman: Is this correct: chmod -R a+r? |
| 20:39.27 | GodKilla- | eulex: which one is main? |
| 20:39.40 | csdgp | PissedTrixBunny: If you're copying config from Fedora, it's probably apache2 there, but I've never used it so can't tell you. |
| 20:39.43 | EdibleText | Johnny132, only if -R[ecursive] is what you want |
| 20:39.44 | Eulex | GodKilla-, usually the one that says something with debian.org |
| 20:39.46 | shingouz | GodKilla-: and you got a sources.list like that? no way, Jose unless you have hacked it manually |
| 20:40.01 | GodKilla- | shingouz: i ddint -.- |
| 20:40.13 | stew | !wikifaq GodKilla- PackageManagement |
| 20:40.15 | dpkg | GodKilla-: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:40.20 | Johnny132 | EdibleText: I got the message "too few arguments". |
| 20:40.22 | GodKilla- | Eulex: i have a whole bunch of different debian.org ftps |
| 20:40.28 | EdibleText | Johnny132, you need a target |
| 20:40.32 | liable | GodKilla-: moral of the story is, you have unstable packages on your box, so unless you have some sort of clue, I would re-install. |
| 20:40.32 | PissedTrixBunny | how do you check what version of apache do I have? |
| 20:40.43 | greycat | PissedTrixBunny: man dpkg |
| 20:40.47 | shingouz | GodKilla-: where the hell did they come from in the first place |
| 20:41.05 | GodKilla- | liable: debian_version says i have unstable |
| 20:41.14 | liable | GodKilla-: indeed |
| 20:41.24 | GodKilla- | shingouz: they were there after i made apt-get setup |
| 20:41.28 | abrotman | Johnny132: it could be .. a little fuzzy on what exactly you're trying to do |
| 20:41.35 | Eulex | GodKilla-, your system seems to be b0rked |
| 20:41.39 | GodKilla- | lol |
| 20:41.48 | GodKilla- | eule i dotn seem to have any other problems |
| 20:41.56 | liable | GodKilla-: yet |
| 20:42.02 | shingouz | GodKilla-: borked. seriously borked. and there is no apt-get setup. there is apt-setup however |
| 20:42.04 | green_earz | PissedTrixBunny: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 20:42.10 | EdibleText | Johnny132, eg chmod +wrx -R /tmp/foo/bar/safe/non-root/path/to/something/that/wont/break/if/i/chown/recursivly |
| 20:42.11 | FieldySnuts | !hire my boss |
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| 20:42.30 | bnoji | .part |
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| 20:42.35 | FieldySnuts | Knop_usr: lol who uses alsamixer ?? |
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| 20:42.44 | Johnny132 | abrotman: There's a directory in my website, and I want to change the permissions so that nothing is "Forbidden" in my web directory... |
| 20:42.48 | Eulex | GodKilla-, considering how experienced you are, you should not run unstable -- the easiest way of downgrading is reinstalling |
| 20:43.06 | abrotman | Johnny132: i think apache might actually need +x .. not +r .. |
| 20:43.07 | humbolt | there is a way to check which ports my server is listening to using lsof, how was that again? |
| 20:43.08 | GodKilla- | ouch -.- |
| 20:43.13 | GodKilla- | i dotn wnat to lose my data |
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| 20:43.27 | abrotman | GodKilla-: you should back up like Linus does |
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| 20:43.42 | EdibleText | yeah like a real man |
| 20:43.45 | shingouz | !beer abrotman |
| 20:43.47 | csdgp | Johnny132: What you are looking for is chmod -R a+rx DIR_NAME |
| 20:43.56 | Johnny132 | cssgp: Thanks. |
| 20:44.00 | abrotman | i'm not 100% sure apache needs +r |
| 20:44.08 | abrotman | i think it's just +x .. but try them one at a time |
| 20:44.17 | tgkjer | humbolt, lsof -i |
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| 20:46.04 | Varis | does anybody use nforce4 board with debian/linux? |
| 20:46.08 | abrotman | fg EdibleText |
| 20:46.09 | sly007 | What is /etc/group- for |
| 20:46.14 | Eulex | !anybody |
| 20:46.14 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:46.21 | abrotman | sly007: arne't you still on a RH box ? |
| 20:46.37 | Eulex | humbolt, nmap it instead |
| 20:46.38 | deadcat | sly007: #redhat |
| 20:46.40 | simonrvn | fg %1 |
| 20:46.57 | sly007 | abrotman, I have this also on MY debian |
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| 20:47.05 | sly007 | deadcat, I have this also on MY debian |
| 20:47.15 | abrotman | sly007: you bought debian! .. damn you .. i'm moving to something community owned! |
| 20:47.17 | deadcat | sly007: we dont believe you anymore |
| 20:47.17 | simonrvn | backup file. means it was edited by something |
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| 20:48.05 | humbolt | how can I see the ips that the server ist listening to as well? |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 20:48.49 | xar||k | debian or redhat? |
| 20:49.04 | shingouz | xar||k: take a wild guess |
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| 20:49.17 | humbolt | abrotman: that was ment for me? |
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| 20:49.23 | abrotman | si |
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| 20:49.36 | sly007 | abrotman, deadcat, what are you saying? I'm not saying that I bought Debian. My host is a Debian, the computer I am doing an SSH to is (thanks to you) a RedHat. Now on my computer (Debian Sarge) I need to know what group- is for. If you don't know just say it instead of giving me lessons |
| 20:49.40 | xar||k | sorry |
| 20:49.44 | xar||k | kde or gnome? |
| 20:49.48 | xar||k | im a programmer |
| 20:50.01 | shingouz | xar||k: bash |
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| 20:50.06 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# synaptic |
| 20:50.07 | ma3x | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 20:50.07 | ma3x | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 20:50.08 | Draconicus | Where's the file for things that start automatically with Blackbox? |
| 20:50.13 | ma3x | whats that? |
| 20:50.14 | deadcat | sly007: we know. we just not helping you |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | sly007: i wsa joking :) |
| 20:50.37 | abrotman | sly007: i think it's a back up .. let me look |
| 20:50.42 | deadcat | abrotman: no you werent (= |
| 20:50.44 | abrotman | gah! |
| 20:50.48 | abrotman | stupid cvs server! |
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| 20:51.15 | ma3x | abrotman : can you help me please |
| 20:51.16 | romulo | how to downgrade libstdc++ ? |
| 20:51.24 | deadcat | Draconicus: you have .blackbox? |
| 20:51.30 | abrotman | sly007: from what i can tell .. it's the previous version |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | ma3x: stop trying to run things as root :) |
| 20:51.42 | green_earz | sly007: its a backup copy group- |
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| 20:51.46 | ep | msg dpkg install guide |
| 20:52.02 | Draconicus | deadcat: .blackbox? Um... Not sure. Is that an additional file or something? |
| 20:52.13 | Varis | only linux and expert available as boot methods ... |
| 20:52.26 | ma3x | abrotman : can't run it as normal user either |
| 20:52.27 | sly007 | abrotman, green_earz , thank you and good bye. deadcat, good bye only |
| 20:52.30 | deadcat | Draconicus: should be a dir. |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | sly007: sorry about the bad joke :) |
| 20:52.38 | Draconicus | Oh! Right |
| 20:52.38 | deadcat | hhahah |
| 20:52.43 | abrotman | ma3x: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:52.45 | abrotman | err wait |
| 20:52.52 | Draconicus | /home/userplace/.blackbox |
| 20:52.54 | shingouz | Varis: you should have linux26 there too |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | no .. that's right |
| 20:52.55 | Draconicus | Silly me. :P |
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| 20:53.23 | ma3x | abrotman : come on, synaptic should be run as root |
| 20:53.25 | ma3x | whats wrong with that? |
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| 20:53.34 | abrotman | ma3x: no shit .. i just told you ... /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:53.35 | Varis | shin: this is floppy :-> |
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| 20:53.48 | Varis | if that matters |
| 20:53.51 | shingouz | !tell Varis about nicktab |
| 20:53.59 | liable | Varis: no 2.6 on floppy iirc |
| 20:54.04 | abrotman | ma3x: make sense now ? |
| 20:54.07 | shingouz | Varis: and your question is? |
| 20:54.14 | ma3x | yeah |
| 20:54.46 | ma3x | abrotman how can i fix that synaptic? |
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| 20:54.58 | nvz_ | wtf would I do to reconfigure exim4 on my sarge system? I want to turn off all listening daemons on my system.. so I can let my brother back online to let the hackers back into the network |
| 20:55.01 | Varis | is there a floppy with 2.6? |
| 20:55.02 | xar||k | what is the most stable/supported desktop environment in linux? |
| 20:55.12 | stew | ma3x: what is wrong with synaptic |
| 20:55.13 | deadcat | xar||k: we dont know |
| 20:55.19 | Varis | shin: tab does not do that in this client... |
| 20:55.22 | ma3x | (synaptic:3889): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 20:55.25 | liable | ma3x: are you starting it from the menu? or from terminal as root? |
| 20:55.30 | shingouz | Varis: and why is that then |
| 20:55.30 | deadcat | ma3x: sudo synaptic |
| 20:55.31 | nvz_ | he reinstalled his system.. but hes just going to install all his pirated software again and before you know it he'll be owned again |
| 20:55.36 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:55.39 | ma3x | liable: both won't work |
| 20:55.47 | Varis | shin: could be configuration issue. but it's ircII |
| 20:55.49 | stew | ma3x: but you should be using sudo |
| 20:55.59 | ma3x | stew: i just typed that command from dpkg |
| 20:56.02 | Eulex | ma3x, don't run it as root, or stop trying to run it in a console |
| 20:56.07 | ma3x | deadcat : it still gives the same error |
| 20:56.21 | ma3x | it doesn't start even from the menu |
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| 20:56.28 | deadcat | ma3x: exit your root account, then run it |
| 20:56.31 | Draconicus | ARGH.. I can't remember the name... it's so hot my brain must be asleep or something. What is that wonderful text-based file manager?! |
| 20:56.39 | liable | mc |
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| 20:56.42 | Draconicus | AH! |
| 20:56.43 | shingouz | Varis: could also be that you do not type enough of my nick. iirc ircII does have tab completion |
| 20:56.45 | Draconicus | Thank you. |
| 20:56.47 | deigo | nvz_: netstat -anp and then apt-get --purge remove <package name> for everything you see |
| 20:56.51 | deigo | or simply remove them without purging |
| 20:56.57 | abrotman | ma3x: try sux |
| 20:56.58 | stew | ma3x: what you type "ls $XAUTHORITY" you see something like /home/ma3x/.Xauthority? |
| 20:57.08 | GodKilla- | bbl |
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| 20:57.11 | Varis | nah. |
| 20:57.14 | deigo | or simply imploy a restritive iptables |
| 20:57.25 | Varis | there is different versions of ircII of course |
| 20:57.31 | nvz_ | ahh It was exim4-config |
| 20:57.45 | ^Blade | hmm |
| 20:57.50 | nvz_ | deigo: I am not removing services, just shutting them down |
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| 20:57.52 | ^Blade | this is weird.. |
| 20:57.59 | deigo | then simply use update-rc.d |
| 20:58.08 | ma3x | stew: i dont understand you |
| 20:58.19 | nvz_ | deigo: just you nevermind you arent smart enough to answer the question... sorry. |
| 20:58.24 | ^Blade | my documentroot won't change even if i configure 000-default from apache2/sites-enabled |
| 20:58.32 | shingouz | Varis: with 'shin' as my nick i do not have any highlights here so i will miss most of your comments |
| 20:58.33 | deigo | right, because that wouldn't shut down the service |
| 20:58.49 | ma3x | abrotman : what's sux? |
| 20:58.51 | nvz_ | deigo: you cannot shutdown your MTA, you have to reconfigure it, and I already figured out the exim4-config was the one I needed to reconfgiure |
| 20:58.54 | Varis | you highlight only on full nick? |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | !sux |
| 20:58.55 | dpkg | i heard sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 20:59.08 | stew | ma3x: as root, type "ls $XAUTHORITY", what does that return? |
| 20:59.08 | deigo | of course you can shutdown your mta, and as you just said <nvz_> deigo: I am not removing services, just shutting them down |
| 20:59.20 | deigo | so first you said your shutting it down, followed closely by the fact that it can't be shut down |
| 20:59.21 | deigo | is that right? |
| 20:59.24 | liable | ma3x: if you cant run it from the menu then something is wrong. whats dpkg -l synaptic say. |
| 20:59.32 | csdgp | ^Blade: Did you reload apache after making the change? |
| 20:59.34 | Draconicus | Stuff in .blackbox can by symlinked, right? |
| 20:59.35 | shingouz | Varis: i do not like to have partials, there are a few others here with a similar nick. ffs, try shingo<tab> |
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| 20:59.39 | ma3x | stew: the list of the current directory |
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| 20:59.45 | nvz_ | deigo: I am shutting down things like samba and ssh.. mta is important, I still need it for my system to function and be notified if something goes wrong |
| 20:59.50 | ^Blade | csdgp: i even restarted my computer. |
| 20:59.53 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 21:00.06 | nvz_ | deigo: I just dont want the hackers that will soon be swarming on my network to be able to use it as well |
| 21:00.11 | ma3x | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 21:00.11 | ma3x | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 21:00.11 | ma3x | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 21:00.16 | ma3x | stew: already did that 3 times |
| 21:00.17 | liable | no |
| 21:00.18 | deigo | so just bind it to 127.0.0.1 if your only going to be using it locally, or simply stop relaying from all ip's other than internal |
| 21:00.18 | stew | ma3x: if you had followed that, you would have only gotten one file returned |
| 21:00.18 | cire | I compiled a kernel with pwc support (phillips webcam module). But when I start webcam, I get "ioctl: VIDIOCMCAPTURE(frame=0;height=120;width=160;format=4): Invalid argument". Does anybody know what this means? |
| 21:00.25 | stew | ma3x: you need to do it again, correctly |
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| 21:00.27 | shingouz | ma3x: do you *really* have to paste here? |
| 21:00.37 | abrotman | he dosn't *really* .. but he did |
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| 21:00.49 | ma3x | shingouz: no, sorry for the inconvenience |
| 21:00.52 | nvz_ | deigo: I know that, and its done. my question was how to reconfigre exim4 on sarge ,the answer was dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:00.54 | liable | ma3x: does last line say ii at the start |
| 21:00.56 | xar||k | ok |
| 21:00.59 | shingouz | !tell ma3x about paster |
| 21:01.02 | xar||k | i love debian |
| 21:01.04 | deigo | lmao. |
| 21:01.08 | ma3x | yes it does liable |
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| 21:01.32 | deigo | you can just edit exim.conf as well, if you know what your doing and don't need graphical hand holding |
| 21:01.35 | csdgp | ^Blade: check to see if the rewrite directive is still there |
| 21:01.41 | ma3x | so is synaptic broken? |
| 21:01.41 | toonX | how can i add to a normal user mount/umount permissions? |
| 21:01.48 | stew | ma3x: no, /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 21:01.59 | liable | ma3x: something is borked, yes |
| 21:02.00 | ^Blade | btw guys can you get in: http://mmore.mine.nu or http://81.209.127.220 |
| 21:02.03 | stew | ma3x: until you have the XAUTHORTY variable set, root wont be able to use x |
| 21:02.07 | deigo | visudo |
| 21:02.11 | abrotman | !run stuff as root |
| 21:02.11 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 21:02.13 | abrotman | god! |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | where's sussudio? |
| 21:02.23 | liable | stew: should be able to start it from the menu though. |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
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| 21:02.32 | nvz_ | abrotman: sussudio is your god? |
| 21:02.43 | abrotman | nvz_: you got a better choice? |
| 21:02.44 | deigo | toonX: visudo was my comment to you btw. |
| 21:03.03 | toonX | deigo ok thanks |
| 21:03.06 | nvz_ | abrotman: susudio is hiding.. if you look closely, you will see him |
| 21:03.08 | ma3x | okay export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority <- i did that damn command 10 times |
| 21:03.09 | Draconicus | deadcat: I seem to be lacking a .blackbox, actually. |
| 21:03.14 | Eulex | ^Blade, connection refused |
| 21:03.15 | ma3x | as root and normal user |
| 21:03.16 | stew | ma3x: do this; su ; then as root, export XAUTHORITY=/home/ma3x/.Xauthority ; synaptic; substitute ma3x for whatever user started x |
| 21:03.20 | ^Blade | hrmh |
| 21:03.40 | ^Blade | works fine in home network.. |
| 21:03.49 | nvz_ | abrotman: I like George Carlin's idea of having a god he can see, like the sun, but instead of praying to the sun.. praying to someone who looks like they can get things done.. like Joe Pecci |
| 21:03.50 | csdgp | ^Blade: firewall setting? |
| 21:03.55 | stew | ma3x: if you set XAUTHORITY before you su and its not set after you su, you have probably messed up some dotfiles |
| 21:03.57 | Eulex | ^Blade, port 80 forwarded? |
| 21:04.05 | toonX | deigo how can i use it= |
| 21:04.10 | ^Blade | port is fowarded. |
| 21:04.19 | ^Blade | and there is firewall with debian/sarge ? :p |
| 21:04.20 | ma3x | now we're talkin! |
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| 21:04.31 | pippijn | hi all |
| 21:04.31 | Eulex | ma3x, run synaptic as user; it will prompt you for the root password |
| 21:04.36 | abrotman | nvz_: Ray Liotta ? |
| 21:04.46 | ma3x | how the hell am i supposed to know that i should replace $HOME ? |
| 21:04.46 | pippijn | is it possible to throttle a CD Drive? |
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| 21:04.50 | deigo | man sudoers |
| 21:04.52 | ma3x | it's supposed to do it itself |
| 21:05.01 | reuqium | What is a good replacement for CDisplay in linux ( |
| 21:05.17 | brock_ | tells you the suid's of the groups |
| 21:05.19 | reuqium | (http://www.geocities.com/davidayton/CDisplay) |
| 21:05.24 | shingouz | reuqium: what is CDisplay? |
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| 21:05.35 | stew | ma3x: HOME is set to the home directory of the currently logged in user |
| 21:05.40 | reuqium | shingouz: You use it to view scanned comic books |
| 21:05.41 | csdgp | pippijn: why do you want to throttle it? |
| 21:05.48 | pippijn | because it is making too much noise |
| 21:05.54 | pippijn | it is already hanging in the air |
| 21:05.56 | toonX | deigo and why i can't run stuff while root from console ? i get cannot connect to X server :0.0 , do i need to export some variable? |
| 21:06.12 | reuqium | shingouz: an image viewer designed to view scanned comic books with ease |
| 21:06.14 | ma3x | stew: so obviously if i run that command as root, it should be /home/ma3x |
| 21:06.17 | shingouz | reuqium: try imagemagick for starters |
| 21:06.20 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 21:06.20 | ma3x | and not $HOME like dpkg said |
| 21:06.29 | stew | ma3x: what dpkg said was correct |
| 21:06.36 | ma3x | ok, now i have some display manager autoinstalled |
| 21:06.39 | Eulex | reuqium, gqview/pornview |
| 21:06.40 | ma3x | i dunno what it is |
| 21:06.45 | stew | ma3x: dpkg said "BEFORE you su" |
| 21:06.46 | ma3x | i want to find out and rm it |
| 21:06.48 | MrBallZ | how do i start the X server manually ????????? |
| 21:06.49 | csdgp | I'm not really sure if there's a way to do that, other than getting a new CD drive that has noise reducing features built in |
| 21:06.53 | deigo | toonX: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 21:06.54 | pippijn | I tried hdparm -E 4 |
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| 21:07.01 | csdgp | MrBallZ: startx |
| 21:07.18 | shingouz | MrBallZ: startx!!!!!! and lose the umpteen question marks, please :p |
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| 21:10.27 | Draconicus | That's not as fun. |
| 21:10.37 | ma3x | and how to find out what's the name of the dm without removing it? |
| 21:10.42 | Draconicus | >.> |
| 21:10.44 | shingouz | Draconicus: #debian-bots or msg dpkg :) |
| 21:10.44 | Draconicus | !poke Blackcat |
| 21:10.59 | Draconicus | Damnit, why do I get the stick?! |
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| 21:11.16 | Draconicus | !poke Blackcat Goddamnit |
| 21:11.20 | Draconicus | ... |
| 21:11.33 | Eulex | !botabuse |
| 21:11.33 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:11.38 | hcy | can someone help me figure out this permissions thing please? I have three users, a, b, and c. I have a drive owned by a:a . i don't want it accessible by b, but i want one subdirectory in it, and all the subdirs under that, to be accessible by c as well. how do i do that? |
| 21:11.40 | Draconicus | Yes, I know. I'll stop now. |
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| 21:12.33 | ma3x | what is dcopserver? |
| 21:12.42 | ma3x | ah got the manpage |
| 21:12.44 | ^Blade | okay, let's try now.. http://mmore.mine.nu |
| 21:12.46 | shingouz | ma3x: dpkg --get-selections might be a good starting point for the dm question |
| 21:12.48 | ^Blade | works now ? |
| 21:13.03 | pablum | hcy mkdir /root/of/a/subdir-c && chown c.c /root/of/a/subdir-c |
| 21:13.13 | ma3x | dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:13.17 | Eulex | ^Blade, yeah |
| 21:13.21 | ma3x | how you fire that up? |
| 21:13.22 | ^Blade | yay :) |
| 21:13.33 | shingouz | ma3x: jfc... man dpkg. dpkg is a command in debian |
| 21:13.43 | ^Blade | btw: how can i restart apache without restarting whole comp ? :/ |
| 21:13.48 | deigo | but then unless he had world write on, a could not write to the stuff in subdir-c |
| 21:13.51 | deigo | the RIGHT way to do it |
| 21:13.53 | hcy | pablum: if the subdir is owned by c but the parent dir isn't accessable, it'll work? |
| 21:13.54 | deigo | is to add c to a common group |
| 21:14.00 | deigo | and simply chown to a.groupnameofc |
| 21:14.06 | deigo | and then chmod it 775 |
| 21:14.07 | ma3x | shingouz right :) |
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| 21:14.14 | PeterB | ^Blade: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 21:14.16 | hcy | deigo: i was trying that... |
| 21:14.17 | shingouz | blade: /etc/init.d/apache restart? and lose the leading caret on your nick |
| 21:14.18 | ma3x | and whats jfc? |
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| 21:14.26 | shingouz | !jfc |
| 21:14.27 | dpkg | from memory, jfc is jeezus fucking christ |
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| 21:14.34 | deigo | hcy: and where in the proccess did you encounter problems. |
| 21:14.37 | ^Blade | shingouz: heh.. :P |
| 21:14.45 | pablum | hcy, you need executable perms for c for the upper directories |
| 21:14.48 | Blade | better ? :P |
| 21:14.51 | shingouz | Blade: thanks, man |
| 21:14.56 | shingouz | !beer Blade |
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| 21:15.13 | Blade | Thunderbrew Ale! |
| 21:15.29 | artistagent | oooh never tried it sure like ale though he he he |
| 21:16.08 | hcy | pablum, deigo: ok lemme explain further. the 'c' user is www-data, it's for my apache vfolders. ever since i 'fixed' the permissions on the disk, making it o-rwx, the vfolders can't be accessed via the web |
| 21:16.26 | hcy | so i created a group with a and c as members |
| 21:16.36 | hcy | i go to /theharddisk |
| 21:16.39 | cougar` | Okay, I'm getting ready to give up :( |
| 21:16.43 | xar||k | macOS (desktop/gui/entertainment) <----> linux (admin, network, development, game?)......................windows (all in one = crap) |
| 21:16.45 | hcy | and chmod ug+rwx |
| 21:16.52 | xar||k | what do you guys think? |
| 21:16.54 | hcy | sorry, chmod ug+rwx . |
| 21:17.04 | deigo | -R |
| 21:17.08 | deigo | use the -R switch |
| 21:17.12 | deigo | to fix things recurisvely |
| 21:17.19 | Blade | shingouz: file or folder don't exsist. |
| 21:17.25 | shingouz | xar||k: is there a point in what you ask? |
| 21:17.26 | hcy | deigo: well, but i don't need the group to be able to access the other subfolders |
| 21:17.34 | ma3x | shingouz what means your nick? |
| 21:17.37 | hcy | just the www one |
| 21:17.44 | deigo | as long as you leave world read on |
| 21:17.47 | deigo | youll be fine |
| 21:17.51 | shingouz | Blade: hmm.. do you see something in init.d that might be apache? try that one |
| 21:17.56 | shingouz | ma3x: google it |
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| 21:18.08 | deigo | just chmod 755 everything and then 775 the subdir you want them to have access too |
| 21:18.09 | xar||k | shing: windows is dead |
| 21:18.14 | Blade | ah.. apache2 |
| 21:18.14 | Blade | :D |
| 21:18.16 | PeterB | Blade: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart then? |
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| 21:18.26 | Blade | still.. |
| 21:18.26 | shingouz | xar||k: and i love /ignore |
| 21:18.39 | BOalk | hey guys, i was wondeirng what the name of the program is which enables you to run things as root |
| 21:18.44 | BOalk | other than sudo |
| 21:18.46 | hcy | what's 755 in letters? |
| 21:18.47 | shingouz | Blade: as root? |
| 21:18.47 | ma3x | he Shingouz, three fellows selling everything |
| 21:18.48 | ma3x | that can be sold, and even the rest if they get an additional pay. |
| 21:18.59 | BOalk | rwxr-xr-x |
| 21:19.00 | annoia | I'm trying to set up an ssh tunnel from my machine (behind a firewall) to a server I have somewhere else. ssh -R port:host:port login@host... Blabla... Only problem is that I don't get a publicly available port, but a local one. So I have to make an additional tunnel from that server to itself... Is there a pretty way to do this with a single command, instead of the current, two? |
| 21:19.00 | Blade | works now.. |
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| 21:19.01 | shingouz | ma3x: excellent |
| 21:19.09 | Blade | forgot / from the beginning |
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| 21:19.31 | hcy | but i don't want non-group members to have r-w , that's the whole point of making the group |
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| 21:19.52 | shingouz | ma3x: i am big enough to qualify as three in anycase. can i interest you in the Eiffel Tower? |
| 21:19.54 | BOalk | then dont give everyone that access |
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| 21:20.06 | artistagent | HA HA love that nick pissedTrixBunny |
| 21:20.11 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: it's already been sold for scrap... |
| 21:20.14 | BOalk | hcy, owner:group:everyone r = 4 w = 2 x = 1 |
| 21:20.24 | crystalremo | is there a way for iptables to do upnp? |
| 21:20.33 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: damn. you got there first? |
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| 21:20.43 | PerfDave | annoia: OpenSSH doesn't support remotely-accessible reverse portforwards, without some third-party source code patches. |
| 21:20.44 | PissedTrixBunny | um... okay. |
| 21:20.48 | BOalk | so rwxrwx--- would give owner and group read write and execute permissions 770 |
| 21:20.57 | ma3x | shingouz : i'll go to france in 2 weeks |
| 21:20.59 | ma3x | Yeah! |
| 21:21.00 | annoia | perfdave - But WHY? |
| 21:21.03 | greg_work | how do you save the state of, ie, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/forwarding ? when I reboot, it goes to 0 |
| 21:21.10 | Blade | works now on a different folder. |
| 21:21.12 | Blade | yay |
| 21:21.13 | Blade | :) |
| 21:21.18 | hcy | ok i'm confused. right now the parent dir - which is the root of the disk - is owned by myuser:userandwww and has drwxr-x--- permissions, and the www subdir within that is owned by www-data:www-data . still, i get "don't have permission" if i try to access via the net |
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| 21:21.53 | deigo | okay |
| 21:21.56 | deigo | first off |
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| 21:21.56 | Blade | hmm |
| 21:21.59 | BOalk | because the parent needs to be executable |
| 21:21.59 | deigo | you need to enable world read |
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| 21:22.01 | Blade | how the MySQL works ? |
| 21:22.04 | ma3x | i have in fstab /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=29,umask=022 0 0 |
| 21:22.04 | csdgp | hcy: "other" (the third set of bits) needs to have rx on the directory and files |
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| 21:22.14 | ma3x | and now i just booted and it's not mounted |
| 21:22.16 | ma3x | how is it possible |
| 21:22.20 | ma3x | does it timeout or something? |
| 21:22.21 | hcy | but why? |
| 21:22.29 | hcy | apache runs as www-data |
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| 21:22.39 | PerfDave | annoia: *shrug* Don't ask me, ask them. |
| 21:22.44 | hcy | what do you mean by world read? |
| 21:22.46 | csdgp | hcy: because apache does not run as the user that your directory parent is owned as, and as ssuch can't see the child directory (www) |
| 21:22.59 | annoia | perfdave - I tried, but #ssh and #openssl don't exist :P |
| 21:23.11 | shingouz | ma3x: it is not set to automount. mount /media/usb |
| 21:23.15 | Blade | sorry about these questions.. just today turned to Windows server to Debian Sarge :P |
| 21:23.21 | BOalk | hcy, but not anybody can execute the parent directory ? so that means unless you are the owner or a member of the group you can't get to any subdirectories |
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| 21:23.38 | PissedTrixBunny | I've just installed apache2, but when I start it, it gives me this error: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, I thought the file would be generated automatically upon installation |
| 21:23.39 | Draconicus | Oh... There is no Blackcat... Silly me. |
| 21:23.42 | BOalk | no execute = no open of the dir |
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| 21:23.47 | Draconicus | !poke deadcat |
| 21:23.50 | Draconicus | There. |
| 21:23.54 | deigo | thats why i told you to 755 it all |
| 21:23.56 | Blade | shingouz: you these a lot.. so can you help me with MySQL ? |
| 21:24.01 | Eulex | !tell annoia about they don't know |
| 21:24.03 | PerfDave | annoia: But #openssh does |
| 21:24.05 | hcy | ok but apache runs as www-data. i made a group containing both my normal user and www-data, and changed the ownership of the parent to normaluser:userandwwwdatagroup - why shouldn't that work? |
| 21:24.07 | deadcat | Draconicus: bitch i'll kill you mother fucker |
| 21:24.13 | ma3x | shingouz : how to set to automount? |
| 21:24.15 | Draconicus | There you are. |
| 21:24.30 | shingouz | Blade: not really, i know the name of that one but that's about my expertise with SQL |
| 21:24.34 | hcy | i'm trying to avoid giving the 'other' user (b) the ability to read from the disk |
| 21:24.39 | Draconicus | I don't seem to have a /.blackbox. Can I just make one? |
| 21:24.40 | deigo | hcy: does that parent reside in the root directory or have other parent directories? |
| 21:24.47 | annoia | eulex - Sorry, I thought maybe you knew something... |
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| 21:24.55 | artistagent | hey my fiance has NEVER seen Toy Story |
| 21:24.56 | shingouz | ma3x: i do not know, i mount such stuff manually when i need it. man fstab might help |
| 21:25.01 | deigo | why don't you give us the full path of the directories in question hcy |
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| 21:25.03 | stew | !wikifaq hcy Permissions |
| 21:25.05 | dpkg | hcy: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:25.12 | Blade | Hmh, how the hell i can get in MySQL database.. |
| 21:25.13 | BOalk | hmm good idea |
| 21:25.14 | PissedTrixBunny | I've just installed apache2, but when I start it, it gives me this error: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, I thought the file would be generated automatically upon installation |
| 21:25.19 | hcy | /mnt/exthdd/www_directory |
| 21:25.21 | artistagent | I still love her though |
| 21:25.21 | deadcat | Draconicus: create .blackbox. i know fluxbox has .fluxbox/{init,slitlist,groups,keys} |
| 21:25.32 | BOalk | Blade, using the sql client |
| 21:25.32 | deigo | Blade: are you trying to get in without knowing the username and password, or are you asking how to access the mysql client? |
| 21:25.33 | Draconicus | That should cover the init files? |
| 21:25.36 | dogayonv | I killed a users session, while they were idle and the monitor was powered down, now I cant get the monitor to turn back on, I have retarted kdm but it didnt help, can anyone help? |
| 21:25.36 | PissedTrixBunny | look this sucks... I'm so tired of sitting in front of comp... I hate IT jobs... I am tired!!! |
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| 21:25.53 | shingouz | artistagent: a quick run down to $favorite_video_store should take care of it |
| 21:25.58 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: is this the first time you've installed apache2 or did you ever have it installed on this machine before? |
| 21:26.01 | shingouz | hi dogayonv |
| 21:26.03 | PissedTrixBunny | maybe I shouldn't have taken too many kicks last night in martial arts class |
| 21:26.08 | BOalk | apt-get install mysql-client with -4.1 if it's 4.1 |
| 21:26.09 | dogayonv | hey hey shingouz how are you :) |
| 21:26.14 | Blade | deigo: how to access mysql client |
| 21:26.16 | shingouz | still here :p |
| 21:26.17 | artistagent | beats flippin burgers ptb :) |
| 21:26.23 | Eulex | annoia, well, maybe not as extreme as dpkg told you, but you have a much greater chance of getting a good answer if you ask in a channel/mailing list to work more specifically with what you're asking |
| 21:26.24 | dogayonv | cool deal :) |
| 21:26.31 | deigo | Blade: mysql -u <user> -h <hostname or ip> -p |
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| 21:26.42 | deigo | -p is only necc. if there is a password set for the user specified in -u |
| 21:26.48 | shingouz | dogayonv: reboot the monitor? |
| 21:26.48 | annoia | eulex - I know... |
| 21:26.53 | deigo | and the defaults for -u are the currently logged in user and the default host is localhost |
| 21:26.57 | deigo | so you may not need those flags either |
| 21:26.58 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, I've done apache many times... mostly in the ass.... but not this time... for some reason.. this time... it seems like I have to go down on it... so freakin' annoying.... fine... I'll eat a pussy if I have to... I just want it to run god damn it... haha |
| 21:27.09 | stew | *plonk* |
| 21:27.17 | hcy | my post didn't come through? |
| 21:27.22 | deigo | PissedTrixBunny: why don't you just grab the apache.conf from the tarball from the apache site and copy it to the correct location |
| 21:27.22 | hcy | oh, /mnt is owned by root:root and has perms drwxr-xr-x , /mnt/exthdd is owned by myuser:userandwwwgroup and has perms drwxrwx--- , and /mnt/exthdd/www_directory is owned by www-data:www-data |
| 21:27.26 | deigo | or updatedb, and locate httpd.conf |
| 21:27.30 | hcy | (started with a / ) |
| 21:27.39 | dogayonv | I killed a users session, while they were idle and the monitor was powered down, now I cant get the monitor to turn back on, I have retarted kdm but it didnt help, can anyone help? |
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| 21:28.01 | dondelelcaro | PissedTrixBunny: paste the exact error that apache is giving you using the paster bot. Pasting the end of /var/log/apache/errors.log will be helpful as well. |
| 21:28.13 | hcy | i don't understand what's wrong with that |
| 21:28.14 | deigo | hcy: tell you what try to type su --shell=/bin/bash www-data |
| 21:28.15 | deigo | as root |
| 21:28.27 | deigo | and then type cd /mnt/exthdd/www_directory |
| 21:28.31 | deigo | and see if that works |
| 21:28.33 | deigo | if it does, type ls -l |
| 21:28.36 | deigo | and see if that works |
| 21:28.51 | Blade | hmm |
| 21:29.00 | crystalremo | is there a way to use /etc/networks/interfaces to add a route on every boot? or whats the best way to do that? |
| 21:29.03 | xar||k | debian is a good distro. my only complaint is that you the entire OS is huge. why so many cd/dvd? |
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| 21:29.12 | hcy | deigo: yes that works |
| 21:29.12 | dondelelcaro | crystalremo: there are a couple ways to do that. |
| 21:29.14 | crystalremo | i need to add a multicast route on every boot |
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| 21:29.33 | deigo | hcy: can you "cat index.html" |
| 21:29.34 | Blade | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 21:29.36 | Blade | o.O |
| 21:29.38 | deigo | or whatever else your index file is |
| 21:29.46 | deigo | Blade: set the socket manually in your my.cnf |
| 21:29.48 | hcy | but accessing it through the net doesn't work, unless i change /mnt/exthdd to a+rx |
| 21:29.50 | dondelelcaro | crystalremo: the typical method is by using the pointtopoint entry; alternatively, you can add a postup |
| 21:29.52 | PissedTrixBunny | it seems like another instance of apache2 is running? |
| 21:30.01 | deigo | blade: or possibly, your not running the mysql server |
| 21:30.02 | ryan` | anyone know how to disable ipv6 on sarge? |
| 21:30.04 | csdgp | Blade: you need to start mysql if you're getting that error |
| 21:30.15 | deigo | blade: type netstat -anp | grep mysql |
| 21:30.15 | dogayonv | tried |
| 21:30.16 | PissedTrixBunny | aaah fuck this shit... it's just a bad apache day.... |
| 21:30.17 | deigo | and see if you get results |
| 21:30.22 | hcy | deigo: yes |
| 21:30.29 | deigo | hcy: then permissions are not your problem |
| 21:30.36 | deigo | look in the apache error log for more information |
| 21:30.37 | Blade | no results |
| 21:30.38 | Blade | :P |
| 21:30.40 | crystalremo | dondelelcaro: i only see pre-up, up, down, and post-down options... no post-up option |
| 21:30.45 | deigo | Blade: did you install mysql-server? |
| 21:30.49 | Blade | yteah |
| 21:30.50 | Blade | *yeah |
| 21:30.52 | shingouz | dogayonv: ssh -X into it and try running something on it? |
| 21:30.57 | deigo | then type mysqld and see what it says |
| 21:31.04 | Blade | mysql-client 4.0.24-10 |
| 21:31.16 | dondelelcaro | crystalremo: err, the up is the equivalent of a post-up command. |
| 21:31.17 | deigo | umm |
| 21:31.20 | deigo | mysql-client |
| 21:31.22 | deigo | is not mysql-server |
| 21:31.30 | deigo | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 21:32.20 | hcy | deigo: i'm getting "unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable |
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| 21:32.50 | deigo | ermm |
| 21:32.54 | deigo | do you have a .htaccess file? |
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| 21:33.12 | Blade | ehh.. wtf |
| 21:33.19 | daxxar | This is what you need for any of the RAID levels: |
| 21:33.28 | daxxar | "A kernel. Preferably a kernel from the 2.4 series. Alternatively a 2.0 or 2.2 kernel with the RAID patches applied.", "The RAID tools.", "Patience, Pizza, and your favorite caffeinated beverage." |
| 21:33.32 | daxxar | All of this is included as standard in most GNU/Linux distributions today. |
| 21:33.33 | Blade | Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address alraedy in use |
| 21:33.37 | hcy | deigo: yes i do and it's owned by www-data:www-data and has -rw-r----- |
| 21:33.37 | daxxar | Where's my pizza and caffeinated beverage!? :o |
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| 21:33.48 | daxxar | apt-get install pizza |
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| 21:33.48 | daxxar | E: Couldn't find package pizza |
| 21:33.49 | daxxar | :( |
| 21:33.51 | BOalk | hmm how would i edit the sudoers file to give say "username" privileges to run a specific program as root ? |
| 21:33.59 | Blade | Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 |
| 21:33.59 | idnar | daxxar: they're non-free :/ |
| 21:34.14 | daxxar | Ahh. :/ |
| 21:34.20 | Blade | ah nevermind |
| 21:34.21 | dogayonv | how can I wake up a sleeping system that wont respond? the keyboard isnt waking it, I killed a users processes while the mointor was hibernated Im sshed into the machine but I cant get the mointor to wake |
| 21:34.27 | Blade | it's working now |
| 21:34.40 | deigo | BOalk: http://www.komar.org/pres/sudo/sudoer15.html |
| 21:34.45 | deigo | use that example sudoers file |
| 21:34.53 | deigo | it seems pretty self explanatory, at least to me |
| 21:34.54 | BOalk | thanks |
| 21:34.59 | hcy | deigo: do you think it has something to do with it being https ? maybe https uses a different user than the normal http one? |
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| 21:35.10 | Talnakh | quick question. how i can possibly specify passphrase for -c option in command line in GnuPG? |
| 21:35.33 | goron | dondelelcaro: If <X >(with X something ambiguous) is not defined in a legal document, then that document is flawed, right? |
| 21:35.51 | dondelelcaro | goron: no. |
| 21:35.57 | PerfDave | Talnakh: Just do gpg -c and type it in? |
| 21:36.01 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not necessarily) |
| 21:36.08 | deigo | hcy: netstat -anp | grep 443 |
| 21:36.12 | hcy | no, that's not it. i can't access as http either |
| 21:36.13 | Talnakh | PerfDave, i want to automate it |
| 21:36.19 | dondelelcaro | goron: you'll find that all words are necessarily ambigous and derive meaning from the hearer. |
| 21:36.21 | deigo | then ps -feaw | grep process name it listed at the end of netstat command |
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| 21:36.33 | deigo | and youll see the user its running as |
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| 21:36.55 | goron | dondelelcaro: That's true, but not what I mean. |
| 21:37.00 | PerfDave | Talnakh: Then don't use symmetric encryption. |
| 21:37.02 | Blade | deigo: how can i add database and other user ? |
| 21:37.24 | ChrisW | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.34 | ChrisW | I upgraded to sarge yesterday, and I'm now using the sarge version |
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| 21:37.43 | eeyore- | afternoon, people! |
| 21:37.44 | ChrisW | however, since then, I've started gettting a lot mroe spam into my inbox than normal :-S |
| 21:37.50 | ChrisW | how should I go about debugging this? |
| 21:37.56 | Talnakh | Perfdave, ;-) |
| 21:38.13 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: figure out what rules triggered on the spam, and see if there are things that should have triggered that didn't. |
| 21:38.15 | eeyore- | got bored. read bash.org, found this one http://www.bash.org/?234970 |
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| 21:38.54 | Starfury^ | any idea on a fix time for the udev issue? |
| 21:39.19 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: well, the main thing I'm suspicious of is if (a) my config is still being used (b) my bayes traiend stuff is still being used |
| 21:39.22 | PeterB | eeyore-: Heh. |
| 21:39.52 | Blade | and how can i change my MySQL password for root ? o.O |
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| 21:40.13 | meowwuff | is creating a debian package difficult? |
| 21:40.14 | deigo | mysqladmin |
| 21:40.18 | deigo | meowwuff: no. |
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| 21:40.25 | pipeline | meowwuff: Sometimes. |
| 21:40.28 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: that's easy to see by looking at the headers and the scores that are being assigned to the messages. |
| 21:40.30 | ChrisW | anyone here know lots about spamassassin config? |
| 21:40.40 | pipeline | meowwuff: In the best case scenario, all you need is a gpg key and a one-off command. |
| 21:40.52 | meowwuff | pipeline: I have a program that I dont want the source to be leaked on, so I just want to create binaries.. whats the simpliest way to do this? |
| 21:40.54 | BOalk | ach! i need to run pptpconfig as root, to get access to pppd chap-secrets, /etc/ppp etc etc that it writes to, however as it's a gui i can't run it as root as there's no display |
| 21:41.08 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: just looked at one, and sure enough, my bayes rule is not being triggered :-S |
| 21:41.09 | useruser | meowwuff: don't make the source available? |
| 21:41.14 | meowwuff | useruser; its not open source |
| 21:41.18 | meowwuff | useruser: its for my company |
| 21:41.19 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: then you probably need to run sa-learn --sync; |
| 21:41.21 | useruser | meowwuff: yes, i understand |
| 21:41.23 | useruser | meowwuff: but i' |
| 21:41.26 | eeyore- | Blade: mysql mysql; update user set password=password('.....') where user='root'; |
| 21:41.31 | goron | dondelelcaro: You told me jurisprudence("case law") would apply. So you implicitly claim that "the preferred" is used in court in the past. |
| 21:41.39 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: would my old stuff have been destroyed by the uypgrade? |
| 21:41.42 | useruser | meowwuff: but i'm not sure what your original question means - if you don't want to make the source available, then just don't publish it |
| 21:41.53 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: possibly. You may want to back it up just in case. |
| 21:41.55 | kb00heda | Does anybody know whether it is possible to change the window title for applications? (I know it to be easy for ordinary terminals.) |
| 21:42.02 | meowwuff | useruser: What i want is to be able to create various packages for various architectures, and have apt and the other various packaging tools to automatically install the binaries into a preset of locations, rather than the user having to pass all the parameters. |
| 21:42.24 | ryan` | PeterB: do you know the current mysql root password? |
| 21:42.32 | useruser | meowwuff: debian binary packages don't usually contain the source... what's the problem? |
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| 21:42.54 | meowwuff | useruser: more to the point, I want to package the binaries and have them installed :) |
| 21:43.05 | PeterB | ryan`: ? |
| 21:43.07 | useruser | meowwuff: well that's what packages are for... |
| 21:43.11 | meowwuff | heh |
| 21:43.15 | useruser | meowwuff: i think making debs is a good choice |
| 21:43.25 | daxxar | Hm, anyone know if it's valid to specify multiple emails in /etc/default/mdadm (for MAIL_TO) |
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| 21:43.29 | ChrisW | Cannot open bayes databases /home/chris/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/O: tie failed: |
| 21:43.32 | ChrisW | what does that mean? |
| 21:43.38 | daxxar | E.g. bar@bar.com, foo |
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| 21:43.57 | ryan` | PeterB, i must have matched the wrong line to your nick :/ |
| 21:43.58 | PerfDave | Can anyone running nv and Sarge check their /var/log/XFree86.0.log and tell me whether a GeForce Go 6200 is supported? |
| 21:44.00 | asuffield | ChrisW: means it didn't work |
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| 21:44.04 | pipeline | meowwuff: Read the "new maintainer's guide" |
| 21:44.09 | pipeline | meowwuff: Also, burn in hell. |
| 21:44.15 | meowwuff | pipeline: haha, why? |
| 21:44.16 | ChrisW | asuffield: stfu if you're just going to make commewnts like that :-( |
| 21:44.23 | PeterB | ryan`: OK. |
| 21:44.27 | asuffield | ChrisW: you're the one who pasted the idiotic message |
| 21:44.30 | pipeline | meowwuff: You would be better off distributing a statically compiled binary than a closed source package. |
| 21:44.37 | meowwuff | ya |
| 21:44.38 | pipeline | meowwuff: The latter is a recipe for pain |
| 21:44.40 | meowwuff | thats what im thinking |
| 21:44.47 | meowwuff | i dont even needpackages |
| 21:44.49 | ryan` | Blade do you know the current mysql root password? |
| 21:44.49 | meowwuff | its onyl a single binary |
| 21:44.50 | meowwuff | heh |
| 21:44.51 | ChrisW | asuffield: it was in context of a conversation with dondelelcaro, you mindless little troll |
| 21:44.58 | deadcat | is the debian repo servers having problem? |
| 21:45.02 | Blade | hmm, there wasn't any advices for creating new user for MySQL |
| 21:45.19 | ryan` | Blade, the mysql docs explain it |
| 21:45.51 | meowwuff | blade: check mysq docs for CREATE |
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| 21:45.54 | meowwuff | balde; its really simple =] |
| 21:46.11 | PeterB | !tell meowwuff about nicktab |
| 21:46.22 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: one of two things: 1) bdb got upgraded, and you need to upgrade the bekerely database using whatever the db_upgrade command is; 2) you haven't upgraded the bayes db format. |
| 21:46.36 | meowwuff | PeterB: im well awar of nick completion |
| 21:46.42 | meowwuff | PeterB: i disabled it by chocie |
| 21:46.42 | Blade | ryan`, meowwuff: my first time using Debian/Sarge as server.. moved from Windows :D |
| 21:46.48 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: both are true, can I just zap the files and start again? |
| 21:46.54 | ChrisW | if so, where do I zap 'em from? |
| 21:47.06 | Blade | so i'm little.. can we say "lost" |
| 21:47.06 | Blade | :D |
| 21:47.10 | ChrisW | (I have a catalog of 5000-odd spam messages I keep for just this reason ;-) |
| 21:47.16 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: sure. |
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| 21:47.28 | dondelelcaro | ChrisW: I'd actually just move them away. they're usually in ~/.spamassassin/bayes_* |
| 21:47.38 | xar||k | is it true that debian is more people in europe than the us? |
| 21:47.49 | dondelelcaro | xar||k: what do you mean by "more people"? |
| 21:47.53 | deadcat | xar||k: yes |
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| 21:48.21 | goron | dondelelcaro: Most likely more users. |
| 21:48.27 | deadcat | can someone test incoming.debian.org for me please. not working here. |
| 21:48.37 | BOalk | ach! i need to run pptpconfig as root, to get access to pppd chap-secrets, /etc/ppp etc etc so that when i add the details for a pptp connection it can write to the relevant areas and launch the daemon, however as it's a gui i can't run it as root due to X restrictions |
| 21:48.41 | xar||k | yes |
| 21:48.48 | ChrisW | dondelelcaro: indeed, that seems to have worked, building now... |
| 21:48.53 | xar||k | more people like debian in europe than in th eus |
| 21:48.55 | xar||k | us |
| 21:49.09 | deadcat | xar||k: yes. ^^. i gave you your answer |
| 21:49.16 | BOalk | and i want to run the application as a specific user not as root, but other than the sudoers file i'm unsure how i would do it |
| 21:49.16 | xar||k | thank you |
| 21:49.23 | xar||k | what's the most people linux distro in the us? |
| 21:49.28 | ma3x | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 21:49.30 | ma3x | why do i get that? |
| 21:49.31 | deadcat | xar||k: gentoo |
| 21:49.36 | dondelelcaro | ahahahahahaha. |
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| 21:49.40 | meowwuff | Blade: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/adding-users.html |
| 21:49.49 | meowwuff | Blade: read, and enjoy, infact read the entier Tutorial |
| 21:49.53 | deadcat | ma3x: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 21:50.04 | Hohlraum | hey guys.. is the ia64 only for itanium or is it for em64t as well? |
| 21:50.12 | Gob | hello guys |
| 21:50.16 | ma3x | deadcat : sda1 is not there |
| 21:50.19 | ma3x | what does that mean? |
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| 21:50.25 | deadcat | ma3x: try to mount sda then. |
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| 21:50.33 | Gob | i'm beginer on debian and i have some problems with apt-get |
| 21:50.42 | PerfDave | Hohlraum: I think em64t uses amd64, I could be wrong. |
| 21:50.44 | shingouz | !ask |
| 21:50.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 21:50.48 | deadcat | !tell Gob about ask |
| 21:50.54 | Gob | each time ai do an apt-get install i have a message error : (dpkg-preconfigure:3810): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_add_dir: assertion `gconf_valid_key (dirname, NULL)' failed |
| 21:50.56 | Gob | (dpkg-preconfigure:3808): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_add_dir: assertion `gconf_valid_key (dirname, NULL)' failed |
| 21:51.02 | Gob | what can i do pealse ? |
| 21:51.07 | Gob | please |
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| 21:51.34 | noray | Hi |
| 21:51.36 | deadcat | Gob: which branch you using? |
| 21:51.42 | Gob | testing |
| 21:51.49 | BOalk | PerfDave, do you know how i would go about editing the sudoers file, so i can launch pptpconfig (which needs ot be run as root) as a normal user? |
| 21:51.52 | deadcat | Gob: apt-get update again i guess. |
| 21:51.58 | ma3x | deadcat : i get the same error |
| 21:51.59 | PerfDave | BOalk: visudo |
| 21:52.02 | ma3x | mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device |
| 21:52.11 | deadcat | ma3x: you sure you have sda then? |
| 21:52.22 | shingouz | ma3x: what are you trying to mount? the usb thingie? |
| 21:52.31 | BOalk | hm yeh i've read the docs but i just don't get whta exactly i put, i created a Cmnd_Alias for pptpconfig , and added user localhost=alias |
| 21:52.31 | ma3x | shingouz yueap |
| 21:52.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you drive/train/plain to sf last year? |
| 21:52.38 | Gob | why Gconf returs an error ? |
| 21:52.43 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: drove |
| 21:52.47 | BOalk | but it doesn't like that |
| 21:52.47 | deadcat | Gob: no clue. you the only one. |
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| 21:53.01 | shingouz | ma3x: mount /media/usb and once you are done with it, i would like to have my spoon back |
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| 21:53.03 | cougar` | Anyone here have any experience working with and setting up NTP servers which would have a Linux box sync with a more ACCURATE external server (IE: time.nist.gov), then have the systems on my network, 2 PCs, a Mac, etc. sync with the Linux box? |
| 21:53.04 | Gob | deadcat: lol |
| 21:53.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: probably will drive again, just because I like driving in SF |
| 21:53.24 | ma3x | unfortunately that didn't work too |
| 21:53.24 | deadcat | Gob: no kidding. i never get that |
| 21:53.25 | ma3x | i tried it |
| 21:53.27 | ma3x | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 21:53.44 | shingouz | ma3x: is the usb thingie plugged in at all? |
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| 21:53.50 | noray | first of all sorry by my English, I don't speak a very good english but I get some problems when I try to install debian sarge amd64 in a sata hdd |
| 21:53.53 | pablum | ma3x, you unmounted it improperly, perhaps, and now need to look for sdb? |
| 21:53.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hgahahah. kidding me. downtown is shit. i am gonna have to drive there early this time. parking is a fucking bitch )= |
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| 21:54.06 | cougar` | hmmmmm |
| 21:54.07 | Gob | deadcat: but is the install works good if i have this message ? |
| 21:54.12 | ma3x | i did unmount it properly, yes! |
| 21:54.15 | noray | It say me that it cant find any hdd |
| 21:54.17 | PerfDave | noray: Try installing with a 2.6 kernel, if that doesn't work then ask #debian-amd64 |
| 21:54.18 | ma3x | it said device bussy |
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| 21:54.20 | deadcat | Gob: doubt it. |
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| 21:54.25 | ma3x | and i decided to restart the usb drive |
| 21:54.26 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: driving is fun. Parking sucks. |
| 21:54.35 | noray | thanks PerfDave |
| 21:54.37 | Baughn | What software you recommend to manage a cluster of Debian PCs? |
| 21:54.37 | Eulex | ma3x, then you didn't unmount it properly |
| 21:54.39 | shingouz | ma3x: there you go then |
| 21:54.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's probably easier to park somewhere else and take the bart in |
| 21:54.42 | ma3x | !tell ma3x about sdb |
| 21:54.45 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. are you staying in a hotel? where you park the car overnight? |
| 21:54.54 | pablum | ma3x, so you'd rather argue and assert than try sdb? |
| 21:54.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, I'm going to crash on floor somewhere. |
| 21:55.02 | Rawplayer | any of you freaks going to WTH? |
| 21:55.07 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn. |
| 21:55.17 | ma3x | pablum : no. |
| 21:55.25 | FieldySnuts | wth is wth |
| 21:55.30 | Rawplayer | what the hack |
| 21:55.35 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: ask dpkg? ;) |
| 21:55.39 | Gob | deadcat: ok thank ! i'll search google if someone knows this error message... |
| 21:55.43 | FieldySnuts | haven't heard of it so i guess not |
| 21:55.47 | Rawplayer | k |
| 21:56.20 | ma3x | is the following line correct for mount on boot |
| 21:56.25 | PerfDave | Baughn: What do you mean by a "cluster"? |
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| 21:56.41 | ma3x | in fstab /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat auto,defaults,uid=1000,gid=29,umask=022 0 0 |
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| 21:56.52 | bsims | weee abi transition is just creeping <g> |
| 21:56.59 | Baughn | PerfDave: Around fifty throroughly identical computers which I don't want to update manually. |
| 21:57.03 | bsims | still not gonna dist-upgrade <g> |
| 21:57.07 | BOalk | hmm is there a way with the sudoers file to give a user privileges to other areas, the program pptpconfig writes to /etc/ppp/peers and other areas |
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| 21:57.22 | goron | Rawplayer: it's "what the heck". |
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| 21:57.30 | Thanatermesis | what are the exact words for the bot "dpkg, tell Thanatermesis to xorg" (for example) ? |
| 21:57.36 | goron | Rawplayer: Not "what the hack". |
| 21:57.38 | ma3x | should i remove /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb? |
| 21:57.39 | Rawplayer | ye ye |
| 21:57.41 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: "/msg dpkg xorg" |
| 21:57.42 | deadcat | Thanatermesis: xserver-xorg ? |
| 21:57.43 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg foo |
| 21:57.46 | Thanatermesis | no |
| 21:57.48 | Thanatermesis | not for me |
| 21:57.54 | Thanatermesis | for send for another person |
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| 21:57.55 | deadcat | Thanatermesis: then you're fucked |
| 21:57.57 | goron | Read what he says |
| 21:57.57 | PerfDave | Baughn: To save bandwidth, apt-proxy. To ease installation, replicator. To avoid duplicating configuration effort, cfengine. |
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| 21:58.23 | Thanatermesis | mmmh "dpkg please speak to nickname for xorg" :) |
| 21:58.34 | shingouz | !tell Thanatermesis about xorg |
| 21:58.38 | deadcat | Thanatermesis: tell someone about |
| 21:58.39 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.40 | Thanatermesis | oh, thanks |
| 21:58.47 | ma3x | i removed /dev/sdb |
| 21:58.48 | ma3x | now what? |
| 21:58.51 | Baughn | PerfDave: I've got the bandwidth covered with Squid, but cfengine.. okay, I'll have a look. |
| 21:58.51 | ma3x | it won't mount again |
| 21:59.00 | Kerr | !boggle |
| 21:59.07 | Kerr | hmm |
| 21:59.14 | shingouz | ma3x: why the *hell* did you remove sdb? |
| 21:59.24 | joe_doe | nn |
| 21:59.31 | Baughn | ma3x: Now you put it back. |
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| 21:59.47 | shingouz | gah. i need caffeine or something |
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| 22:00.01 | ma3x | well i felt like i read somebody saying delete /dev/sdb |
| 22:00.15 | ghee | SARGE RELEASED?? this isnt really new, is it? |
| 22:00.22 | derral_8 | I just downloaded these two monster DVD's and have decided that I would rather do with the tested version. Will it be hard to make the move if I install this serge release?? |
| 22:00.24 | Savvy | hi, while using debian must i install perl modules with apt ? |
| 22:00.27 | Baughn | ma3x: ..you *felt* like you read somebody saying that? |
| 22:00.30 | shingouz | ma3x: no. you were told to mount the damn thing on sdb |
| 22:00.32 | deadcat | ghee: no. etch is out in few months |
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| 22:00.42 | ma3x | oh gosh |
| 22:00.51 | ma3x | now what will i do? |
| 22:00.54 | Baughn | ma3x: How are you at doing reinstalls? |
| 22:01.02 | deadcat | ma3x: unplug the usb device and put it back in |
| 22:01.03 | ma3x | very bad, no! |
| 22:01.03 | ghee | deadcat I just mean, Sarge is out like a few weeks now, isnt it? |
| 22:01.06 | goron | Ah, crap the bot also responds to commands when it has whitespaces before it. :( |
| 22:01.10 | shingouz | Baughn: that was not nice ;) |
| 22:01.15 | deadcat | ghee: ya. june 6th |
| 22:01.23 | Baughn | ma3x: Type "mknod /dev/sdb b 8 16" as root. |
| 22:01.24 | ghee | ok |
| 22:01.26 | ma3x | deadcat: done1 |
| 22:01.43 | ma3x | Baughn okay |
| 22:01.58 | Eulex | deadcat, etch out in a few months? can't be |
| 22:02.00 | shingouz | ma3x: now just mount /media/usb |
| 22:02.03 | Wazup | I can't seem to find where query_module is. The man page says its in linux/module.h, the file exists but the function declaration dosen't. Any one run into this? |
| 22:02.05 | deadcat | Eulex: i lied |
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| 22:02.25 | Baughn | ma3x: That undid the deletion. In the future, never *EVER* delete anything from /dev. |
| 22:02.50 | ma3x | still that error not a valid block device |
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| 22:03.03 | ma3x | Baughn got that! |
| 22:03.13 | shingouz | ma3x: type "mount" and see what is mounted there |
| 22:03.18 | Blade | tell me a good FTP server.. :o |
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| 22:03.40 | Baughn | ma3x: You've got usb-storage and the appropriate PCI-USB bridge driver loaded, I assume. |
| 22:03.47 | ma3x | shingouz: /dev/sda1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,uid=1000,gid=29,umask=022) |
| 22:03.52 | ma3x | but i can't umount it |
| 22:04.04 | ma3x | Baughn : it works always |
| 22:04.06 | shingouz | ma3x: no wonder, you restarted the usb |
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| 22:04.08 | ma3x | now it stopped |
| 22:04.09 | Baughn | ma3x: What does "umount /media/usb0" say? |
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| 22:04.19 | shingouz | ma3x: lsof | grep usb0 |
| 22:04.28 | ma3x | it says twice the same line umount: /media/usb0: device is busy |
| 22:04.33 | shingouz | ma3x: lsof | grep usb0 |
| 22:04.49 | xpurple | I'm having issues with my password file, I can finger accounts ok, but if email is sent from that account via the system it shows up as ",,," for a realname. Any ideas? |
| 22:05.06 | ma3x | shingouz : it gave two kdeinit processes |
| 22:05.14 | Baughn | ma3x: It won't unmount if any files are using the directory; even having it as their cwd counts. lsof will tell you which they are. |
| 22:05.18 | shingouz | ma3x: kill them then |
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| 22:05.26 | delirium | I'm trying to get cpufreqd to work, but it doesn't work. I think it is the userspace governor performance. When I try to modprobe it, it can't find the module. Performance is enable in the kernel though. How can I get performance loaded ? |
| 22:05.27 | Baughn | ma3x: s/files/processes/ |
| 22:05.35 | Ick | i'm having sources.list problems |
| 22:05.39 | xpurple | Is there any place other than /etc/passwd that the realname may be stores? I'm also using postfix. |
| 22:05.49 | shingouz | Ick: do we get to guess what it is? |
| 22:05.50 | Blade | tell me a good FTP server.. :o |
| 22:05.57 | Blade | for debian |
| 22:05.58 | Blade | :p |
| 22:06.02 | FieldySnuts | vsftpd, proftpd |
| 22:06.05 | FieldySnuts | !start an ftpd war |
| 22:06.08 | xpurple | Blade: proftpd |
| 22:06.10 | shingouz | Blade: apt-cache search ftpd |
| 22:06.11 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start an ftp server war |
| 22:06.13 | FieldySnuts | feh |
| 22:06.24 | FieldySnuts | just anything but wu-ftpd |
| 22:06.25 | Ick | shingouz: what can i add to it so i can install xorg? |
| 22:06.26 | shingouz | wu-ftp :p |
| 22:06.31 | FieldySnuts | !date shingouz |
| 22:06.38 | shingouz | eeek! |
| 22:06.47 | ghee | is there a similar email client for sarge like there is for XP Outlook ? |
| 22:06.52 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: my gf is *not* going to like that |
| 22:06.55 | FieldySnuts | i sure to god hope not |
| 22:07.01 | Ick | ghee: you could try thunderbird |
| 22:07.04 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: competition :) she'll try harder |
| 22:07.13 | Blade | aww.. misplaced.. installed pure-ftpd,, |
| 22:07.21 | Blade | how can i "uninstall" it ? |
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| 22:07.28 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i am an old man, if she tries any harder i will have a heart attack |
| 22:07.45 | FieldySnuts | uh i guess it depends on what we mean by "tries" which I don't wanna get into |
| 22:07.55 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: mhb |
| 22:07.55 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 22:08.19 | shingouz | !tell Ick about xorg |
| 22:08.32 | shingouz | Ick: you do not need xorg yet |
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| 22:08.52 | xpurple | dddddkddkk |
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| 22:09.26 | Blade | [01:06:53] <Blade> aww.. misplaced.. installed pure-ftpd,, |
| 22:09.26 | Blade | [01:07:00] <Blade> how can i "uninstall" it ? |
| 22:09.27 | ma3x | i still get the same error is not a valid block device |
| 22:09.31 | ma3x | this is incredible |
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| 22:09.43 | ma3x | did lsof | grep usb0 and no files this time |
| 22:09.43 | shingouz | Blade: apt-get remove --purge |
| 22:09.52 | ma3x | and usb0 is not mounted |
| 22:09.53 | shingouz | ma3x: umount it |
| 22:09.58 | ma3x | its not mounted |
| 22:10.08 | shingouz | ma3x: then mount it again |
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| 22:10.23 | nvz | I am getting very very mad |
| 22:10.24 | ma3x | not to sdb right? |
| 22:10.30 | delirium | I'm trying to get cpufreqd to work, but it doesn't work. I think it is the userspace governor performance. When I try to modprobe it, it can't find the module. Performance is enable in the kernel though. How can I get performance loaded ? |
| 22:10.36 | shingouz | ma3x: just mount /media/usb0 |
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| 22:10.49 | nvz | 3rd fucking time the phone rang, and I had to wake up and answer it just to find out its nobody important |
| 22:10.49 | ma3x | shingouz its giving the error |
| 22:10.55 | lanchow | how to check for bad block on my disk, please ? e2fsck /dev/sda1 ? |
| 22:11.17 | FieldySnuts | man badblocks |
| 22:11.19 | shingouz | ma3x: try mounting it as sdb then. |
| 22:11.24 | Blade | done.. |
| 22:11.31 | shingouz | ma3x: or sdb1 or whatever it is |
| 22:11.34 | Blade | hmm |
| 22:11.42 | Blade | installed proftpd |
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| 22:11.58 | ma3x | now that worked |
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| 22:12.03 | lanchow | thank you |
| 22:12.06 | shingouz | ma3x: about time |
| 22:12.14 | ma3x | what does sdb stand for? |
| 22:12.17 | Thanatermesis | GRUB-GFX call to help ! , any person knows the code of this ? |
| 22:12.24 | Blade | how can i log in ? :o |
| 22:12.26 | pablum | ma3x, you can also tail /var/log/message to see which device the usb drive is tied to after you plug it in. |
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| 22:12.35 | nvz | stupid dumb bastards? like the people who keep calling my house |
| 22:12.53 | FieldySnuts | turn the damn phone off, i liberate myself for a few hours (okay, almost all hours) most days |
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| 22:12.56 | shingouz | Blade: log onto what? |
| 22:12.59 | shingouz | the ftp? |
| 22:13.04 | FieldySnuts | if it's important enough, they'll visit me |
| 22:13.06 | ma3x | i dont understand why this time its tied to sdb? |
| 22:13.11 | ma3x | it should be sda1 |
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| 22:13.27 | shingouz | ma3x: because you fucked up when restarting the usb with the drive still mounted |
| 22:13.33 | Blade | shingouz: yeah, so i can add users.. |
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| 22:13.50 | nvz | I cant turn the phone off, could be my boss, or the girl I was talking to yesturday.. who knows.. it always seems to be these fucking credit card people trying to sell me identity theft protection or something |
| 22:13.56 | pablum | ma3x, because you pulled the drive out while it was still mounted and don't have automount installed? |
| 22:14.04 | FieldySnuts | nvz: that's amusing since they screw it up on their own |
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| 22:14.13 | shingouz | Blade: umm... the users are the same as the local users on the machine if i duess right. there should also be some config file somewhere you can hack |
| 22:14.14 | ma3x | shingouz how can i correct now /dev/sda1? |
| 22:14.29 | FieldySnuts | seriously change your damn number, it's worth it, do it once a year or so |
| 22:14.29 | ma3x | to be able to mount from sda again |
| 22:14.36 | shingouz | ma3x: at the moment you cannot. after a reboot it should be there unless you screw up |
| 22:14.46 | delirium | does anybody know anything about setting the cpu frequency on a laptop ? |
| 22:15.01 | pablum | ma3x, it'll get cleaned out by the kernel eventually... iirc. |
| 22:15.12 | myo | hello |
| 22:15.15 | ma3x | anyway can i specify auto at the options in fstab? |
| 22:15.20 | nvz | If I had it my way I wouldnt have a fucking number I hate the phone.. its the worst invention in the world |
| 22:15.25 | ma3x | to automount on boot. |
| 22:15.34 | nvz | 2nd only to the television |
| 22:15.39 | myo | do i need to install glibc3.2 to install ymessenger ? |
| 22:15.49 | FieldySnuts | i'm working on it. I gave my television and VCR to a good friend |
| 22:16.00 | pablum | what's a "television"? |
| 22:16.02 | FieldySnuts | there is a telephone attached to my DSL line but it doesn't work. |
| 22:16.19 | FieldySnuts | i have a mobile phone which is 100% paid for by work, and they let me do whatever I want. I usually turn it off after work |
| 22:16.21 | ma3x | i'll go for another reboot to check if it automounts |
| 22:16.22 | FieldySnuts | the end |
| 22:16.36 | shingouz | ma3x: that is an usb device. it gets unplugged and replugged all the time, you do not want to have it automounted at boot. man fstab |
| 22:16.36 | myo | when i tried ./ymessenger , it says glibc2.3 not found |
| 22:16.40 | FieldySnuts | you don't have to reboot unless you didn't umount it before yanking it out |
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| 22:16.57 | ma3x | shingouz i never unplug it, it's hard disk |
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| 22:17.06 | myo | could anyone tell me please for that ? |
| 22:17.09 | nvz | untill I work for myself, and have a girlfriend smart enough to use IRC.. I dont foresee getting rid of the phone or being able to turn it off |
| 22:17.11 | shingouz | ma3x: then why is it usb? |
| 22:17.30 | ma3x | because i have laptop |
| 22:17.36 | ma3x | so i can't have another internal hdd |
| 22:17.44 | FieldySnuts | nvz: i guess what I did is told people "I'm doing this, adapt or have fun contacting me", not worth it to me |
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| 22:17.49 | Landy | hello hello |
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| 22:18.00 | myo | any idea ? |
| 22:18.10 | shingouz | ma3x: a laptop with a usb device that never gets unplugged sounds like your laptop sits on the desktop all the time. get a desktop, cheaper too |
| 22:18.20 | pablum | ma3x, you might prefer hotplug to that... |
| 22:18.36 | ma3x | shingouz : my laptop, i never take it with me |
| 22:18.37 | Landy | anyone here had to deal with problematic SIDs in ntuser.dat files? |
| 22:18.43 | ma3x | it stay on my desk all the time |
| 22:18.51 | derral_8 | Is there a apt-get that can turn my sarge release into a fully tested ? |
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| 22:19.03 | gravity | wtf |
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| 22:19.04 | ma3x | shingouz : how much costs a good desktop? |
| 22:19.07 | nvz | Landy: I dont have a fucking SID or an ntuser.dat file |
| 22:19.07 | shingouz | derral_8: sarge is stable not |
| 22:19.12 | nvz | Landy: are you smoking crack? |
| 22:19.23 | derral_8 | I want to to change it to tested |
| 22:19.25 | paulswm | I often unplug or turn off my home phone also, I agree with FieldySnuts |
| 22:19.34 | shingouz | ma3x: how about checking that in the local papers there? $deity... |
| 22:19.39 | concept10 | Does anyone know where to make a redirect rule in apache2 on Sarge? |
| 22:19.47 | Eulex | derral_8, you mean "testing" |
| 22:19.48 | shingouz | derral_8: "tested"? as in stable? |
| 22:19.49 | Eulex | ? |
| 22:19.57 | delirium | I'm having trouble trying to set my cpu frequency on my laptop. Does anybody have experience with that ? |
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| 22:20.13 | ma3x | okay rebooting |
| 22:20.16 | OxxeN | concept10 a vhost? |
| 22:20.21 | myo | delirium: check in bios setting |
| 22:20.22 | shingouz | is this Sunday somewhere on the planet? |
| 22:20.24 | Eulex | delirium, what cpu? |
| 22:20.33 | delirium | Eulex : centrino |
| 22:20.36 | Eulex | !friday |
| 22:20.36 | dpkg | well, friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 22:20.47 | delirium | reading the cpq freq with cpufreq-info is no problem |
| 22:20.50 | delirium | just can't set it |
| 22:20.52 | Blade | hmh |
| 22:20.52 | Eulex | delirium, what centrino? |
| 22:20.52 | concept10 | OxxeN, no |
| 22:21.03 | delirium | think it's the governor, "performance" |
| 22:21.06 | delirium | first generation |
| 22:21.10 | derral_8 | Into the latest tested version |
| 22:21.12 | delirium | 1500 Mhz |
| 22:21.20 | pablum | echo "powersave" > /um/i/forget/this/part |
| 22:21.24 | myo | there should be an option to change cpu's frequency |
| 22:21.24 | Blade | agh.. |
| 22:21.46 | shingouz | derral_8: the latest "tested" version is called Sarge, also called "stable" |
| 22:21.46 | delirium | pablum : don't think powersafe is enabled in the kernel, only performance :( |
| 22:21.58 | pablum | ? |
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| 22:22.09 | Eulex | delirium, I have cpufreq-selector on my system |
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| 22:22.25 | delirium | cpufreq-set -f [some frequency], that should do it, but it doesn't work |
| 22:22.27 | delirium | errors |
| 22:22.28 | hax | can someone help me get sound working on my laptop? (sigmatel 9750 hardware) ... or atleast help me figure out how to turn the damn pc speaker off? |
| 22:22.43 | pablum | delirium, do you have cpufreqd running? |
| 22:22.49 | derral_8 | I would like to know if I can change sarge into the tested etch |
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| 22:23.10 | pablum | derral_8, it's not "tested". it's "testing". |
| 22:23.19 | shingouz | derral_8: there is no "tested" version in debian at all. Etch is "testing" |
| 22:23.20 | derral_8 | ok sorry, testing |
| 22:23.24 | delirium | pablum : yes |
| 22:23.25 | gravity | derral_8: Change "sarge" or "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "etch" |
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| 22:23.40 | ma3x | despite /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 vfat auto,defaults,uid=1000,gid=29,umask=022 0 0 |
| 22:23.43 | ma3x | it didn't mount |
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| 22:23.54 | Landy | nvz you not use samba? |
| 22:23.56 | delirium | Eulex : cpufrequtils, that's what I was using, I'll try the cpufreq-selector |
| 22:23.57 | derral_8 | thats it |
| 22:23.57 | ma3x | and if i type mount /media/usb0 it's okay |
| 22:24.05 | nvz | testing derral_8 ... 1... 2 ... 4 nope open circuitry |
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| 22:24.15 | Blade | hmm |
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| 22:24.33 | shingouz | i give up. i fscking give up. i will go kick the neighbors cat for a while and come back refreshed |
| 22:24.47 | Blade | awww.. |
| 22:24.49 | pablum | noooo, not the kitty! |
| 22:24.55 | nvz | Landy: wtf does that have to do with anything? |
| 22:25.06 | Blade | agh, how the hell can i add users for proftpd.. |
| 22:25.10 | Blade | or even login :P |
| 22:25.16 | nvz | adduser |
| 22:25.22 | shingouz | pablum: that is not a kitty, that is a frigging menace to the society.. hell the damn thing weighs more than a mini cooper |
| 22:25.24 | delirium | Eulex : can't use cpufreq-selector, I'm using KDE |
| 22:25.37 | Landy | because ntuser.dat is the file that stores the HKCU data in dumb ass, and when integrating Windows clients into a Linux envionrment they are important |
| 22:25.44 | derral_8 | good to know, I can continue installing this stable version then |
| 22:25.46 | pablum | shingouz, I lost my hand to one of those... oi. |
| 22:25.52 | delirium | Eulex : can I modify the cpufreq manually, in the proc filesystem ? |
| 22:25.56 | shingouz | pablum: minis or cats? |
| 22:25.56 | Eulex | delirium, cpufreq-set is in cpufrequtils, and worked great for me |
| 22:26.04 | pablum | cat |
| 22:26.20 | pablum | 26lb. cat |
| 22:26.21 | Landy | Blade, adduser or useradd depeding on distro |
| 22:26.28 | delirium | Eulex : not with me, I get errors, do you have a module called "performance" loaded ? |
| 22:26.30 | shingouz | pablum: that is why i will go defrustrate myself. bbiab |
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| 22:26.48 | delirium | Eulex : or powersafe, or what governor are you using ? |
| 22:26.59 | nvz | I've used samba for nearly half a decade and never heard of HKCU. ntuser.dat, or any of this shit.. |
| 22:27.01 | Eulex | delirium, I don't, it's handled by userspace for me -- I'm using powernowd |
| 22:27.12 | pablum | delirium, I don't think my kernel supports "powersafe" either. |
| 22:27.26 | nvz | not that using samba has anything to do with windows, or using windows has anything to do with #debian any fucking how |
| 22:27.32 | pablum | or anybodies. |
| 22:27.42 | pablum | s/ies/y's/ |
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| 22:27.54 | delirium | Eulex : I tried powernowd before, also doesn't work, keeps complaining about a module "performance" not being loaded |
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| 22:28.08 | SNow | Fatal error: Unable to read 10754 bytes in /home/tomas/www/install.php on line 0 |
| 22:28.11 | SNow | what should I do? |
| 22:28.23 | pablum | delirium, module... look in /lib/modules then. |
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| 22:29.13 | Landy | nvz maybe you do it correctly then and haven't had to work with the inner workings of the windows *ick* registry files |
| 22:29.26 | pablum | delirium, I see cpufreq_powersave and cpufreq_userspace in my (PM) laptop. |
| 22:29.38 | Eulex | delirium, nope, it doesn't -- it needs cpufreq-userspace and the cpufreq module for your spu |
| 22:29.51 | SNow | what should I do ? Fatal error: Unable to read 10754 bytes in /home/tomas/www/install.php on line 0 |
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| 22:29.58 | Eulex | umh, *cpu |
| 22:30.21 | nvz | Landy: I do it on debian, and dont have to worry about windows period.. if something comes up with a windows machine, thats someone elses problem.. just like your windows problems are not an issue to #debian. try #samba or some windows channel |
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| 22:30.27 | pablum | sidereal processing unit |
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| 22:30.50 | delirium | Eulex : I have speedstep-centrino running, is that enough ? |
| 22:31.19 | Landy | nvz, you only ever talk about debian on #debian. bollocks if I'm opening several channels to talk about various things. I thought this was a place for people to talk on who share an interest with debian |
| 22:31.35 | delirium | Eulex : I also have powersave en userspace thingies in lib directory |
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| 22:32.08 | delirium | Eulex : the problem is not cpufreq I think, something is missing, I just don't know what |
| 22:32.31 | Eulex | delirium, load cpufreq-userspace too, and unload any other governors, like powersave and performance |
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| 22:33.17 | delirium | Eulex : I can't load or unload performance, it doesn't exist, neither is powersafe |
| 22:33.22 | PerfDave | Landy: Uhm, getting Windows SMB networking up is a Windows problem, not a Debian one. Ergo it's offtopic for #debian |
| 22:33.33 | Eulex | delirium, then they aren't loaded |
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| 22:33.53 | Landy | I wasn't going to break into asking about it, more sharing a pain |
| 22:34.01 | delirium | Eulex : I can't load them, where am I suppose to look for them ? |
| 22:34.21 | Eulex | delirium, load what module? |
| 22:34.26 | PerfDave | Landy: Well, I've never heard of an ntuser.dat file :) |
| 22:34.28 | delirium | Eulex : performance is enabled in the kernel, so I should be able to jut load it right ? |
| 22:34.32 | delirium | Eulex : performance |
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| 22:34.51 | Eulex | delirium, enabled in what way? as a module or compiled in? |
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| 22:35.16 | Blade | omg |
| 22:35.31 | delirium | Eulex : /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686/include/config/cpu/freq/gov/performance.h |
| 22:35.38 | delirium | Eulex : is this it ? |
| 22:35.41 | Landy | PerfDave, consider yourself lucky :) |
| 22:35.44 | pablum | delirium, do you have acpi loaded? |
| 22:35.55 | Landy | am off, dding a drive |
| 22:35.56 | Blade | got FTP working <3 |
| 22:36.02 | Blade | and all other too.. i think |
| 22:36.07 | Eulex | delirium, you have no idea now to enable something in a kernel or see if something is loaded, right? |
| 22:36.14 | delirium | pablum : FATAL: Error inserting acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi.ko): Device orresource busy |
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| 22:36.34 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 22:36.40 | pablum | that sounds problematic. |
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| 22:36.58 | Eulex | delirium, what kernel? stock debian or not? |
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| 22:36.59 | delirium | Eulex : I checked /boot/config-2.6.XXXXXXX |
| 22:37.21 | Eulex | delirium, that's more like it |
| 22:37.27 | delirium | Eulex : 2.6.8-2-686, just standard debian kernel |
| 22:37.37 | concept10 | Could someone explain this: What is used to direct and/or control different apps running on a server. Say for example if you wanted 3 websites on one box. One using Wordpress, one using Mediawiki on using foo content management |
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| 22:37.58 | th0ger | Hi, this is ot, but anyway: Ive heard that there exists a web page that caches a lot of web sites - sort of googles 'cached', but more advanced. Does anybody know that place? |
| 22:38.02 | Eulex | delirium, have you loaded cpufreq-userspace? |
| 22:38.09 | PerfDave | concept10: The Apache config file? :) |
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| 22:38.15 | delirium | Eulex : not being able to load acpi, that isn't good right ? Is that the problem ? |
| 22:38.15 | Eulex | th0ger, archive.org? |
| 22:38.20 | weilawei | th0ger, archive.org |
| 22:38.29 | xoz | can you you tunnel kdm? |
| 22:38.36 | Eulex | delirium, I have never had the module acpi loaded and it has been working ok |
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| 22:38.53 | concept10 | PerfDave, So apache controls all of this? |
| 22:39.06 | delirium | Eulex : you are a god, that did it , wooooohooooo |
| 22:39.07 | weilawei | whats vastly amusing: archive.org got slashdotted a couple days ago... i wouldn't think an organization with the power to download the internet would be slashdottable |
| 22:39.17 | Eulex | or maybe it's compiled in or something... I modprobed it, but it doesn't appear in lsmod |
| 22:39.19 | th0ger | Eulex: weilawei thanks! |
| 22:39.26 | pablum | repost: delirium, I see cpufreq_powersave and cpufreq_userspace in my (PM) laptop. (but cpufreq needs acpi) Do you have noacpi for a boot flag? |
| 22:39.35 | xoz | ah, tunnel kdm through ssh, is it possible? |
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| 22:40.03 | simonrvn | weilawei: just a web server you see... one or a few machines could easily get DDoSed |
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| 22:40.16 | delirium | pablum : "Do you have noacpi for a boot flag ?" Sorry, no idea what you mean |
| 22:40.23 | weilawei | simonrvn, i figured it distributed the cache internally and balanced load |
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| 22:40.52 | simonrvn | that would be the smart way |
| 22:41.15 | simonrvn | tf is wrong with the main package mirrors anyway? |
| 22:41.24 | delirium | Eulex : strange, when I set it to 600000, it gets stuck at 1000 Mhz, instead of 600 what I would have expected |
| 22:41.31 | weilawei | did anyone else see google moon? for some fun, zoom in all the way |
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| 22:42.07 | PerfDave | concept10: If you're using Apache as a web server, it will have ultimate control over your web applications. |
| 22:42.12 | simonrvn | dinstall fucked up today, didn't it |
| 22:42.13 | delirium | pablum : do you mean like acpi enabled in BIOS or something ? |
| 22:42.14 | mngrif | what's that website that has old debian packages? i'm looking for a specific version of WINE that was just recently replaced |
| 22:42.27 | PerfDave | mngrif: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 22:42.43 | mngrif | PerfDave: thank you |
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| 22:43.57 | jharrison | anyone getting warnings about invalid key from ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 22:44.10 | simonrvn | fuck it, there's some security shit in there, i'll install what's needed - luckily the security shit is in what i have :) |
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| 22:45.07 | Blade | hmm |
| 22:45.16 | Blade | were can i find mysql database folder.. |
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| 22:46.06 | Blade | *where |
| 22:46.11 | jharrison | well I reckon ftp.us.debian.org cannot be trusted then |
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| 22:46.56 | MobyTurbo | !folder |
| 22:46.56 | dpkg | somebody said folder was a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 22:47.21 | cbr | where do the .deb's go? |
| 22:47.25 | cbr | which folder was it? |
| 22:47.39 | PerfDave | Blade: Read the mysql config? |
| 22:47.40 | MobyTurbo | cbr: /var/cache/apt/archives - and its a directory! |
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| 22:47.47 | simonrvn | dir, man apt-get |
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| 22:47.55 | dockane | i marked a package in aptitude with '_' to delete it ... how do i undo this mark ? |
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| 22:48.15 | simonrvn | there's a help, read it |
| 22:48.36 | mngrif | is libwine needed to run wine itself? |
| 22:48.38 | dockane | simonrvn, ctrl u does not work |
| 22:49.13 | Eulex | delirium, cpufreq-set -f takes the values that cpufreq-info -- that means, I set my cpu to 1.87ghz with cpufreq-set -f 1.87ghz and I set it to 800mhz with cpufreq-set -f 800mhz |
| 22:49.24 | simonrvn | why are you using ctrl-u? |
| 22:49.53 | dockane | simonrvn, the help says ctrl-u would undo the last action |
| 22:50.06 | simonrvn | just put it back on install or hold like it was before |
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| 22:51.06 | Eulex | delirium, yw -- and please do not /msg me |
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| 22:52.14 | dockane | mmhh its marked as 'ip' .... and no keystroke could undo this |
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| 22:52.40 | concept10 | This Linux package nonsense must stop, today! (yeah, right) |
| 22:52.54 | simonrvn | so you uninstalled it already? and you're expecting it to undo that? |
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| 22:52.58 | mngrif | concept10: tell me about it |
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| 22:53.02 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:53.03 | Downix | hola everyone |
| 22:53.03 | delirium | Eulex : sorry, and yes, I just use cpufreq-set -f 600000, but I guess your way works as well. I found that my freq was limited in sys/devices/system/cpu/xxxxxx with scaling_min_freq. It was set to 1 Ghz, after lowering it I can set 600 Mhz |
| 22:53.37 | delirium | Eulex : thx for the help again, I'll be off then, pablum, thank you as well |
| 22:53.52 | pablum | msg Eulex er... for the PM cpu. |
| 22:53.57 | pablum | oop |
| 22:53.59 | pablum | np |
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| 22:54.36 | concept10 | Debian has the best package solution but what happens when some organization doesnt contribute to the repo or package a .deb? compile yourself, sure but there has to be a better solution. |
| 22:54.51 | dockane | simonrvn, no got the packet marked as 'ih'. which is still not what it was before. no ... aptitude did not take any action yet, so i all i expect is a keystroke to give the package back an 'i' status |
| 22:54.53 | steve_ | can i please get a little HELP with remote webmin and print shareing |
| 22:55.08 | simonrvn | + |
| 22:55.12 | simonrvn | man aptitude |
| 22:55.32 | Downix | any luck on turtle beach sound support? no help finding out on google |
| 22:55.37 | SNow | guys what should I do, my ISP blocks 1-1024 ports, I need webserver to be runned, how should I bind it on 8080 for example I make an A record to that IP and the users must go then www.mydomain.com:8080 what should I do to prevent that :8080: |
| 22:56.17 | cheal | steve_: CLI is the most likely solution to webmin issues, but if you really want help, it's recommended to ask |
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| 22:56.39 | Eulex | pablum, ok -- acpi works ok without me having loaded acpi, but as I said, it's probably compiled in -- but I'll take that into account when telling others :) |
| 22:56.49 | steve_ | im not familier with CLT |
| 22:57.10 | steve_ | err CLI |
| 22:57.26 | pablum | cli is the best gui |
| 22:57.31 | Eulex | !cli |
| 22:57.32 | dpkg | from memory, cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 22:57.34 | ma3x | is there a mailing list for package updates? |
| 22:57.36 | pablum | !start an interface war! |
| 22:57.36 | dpkg | Even MS Windows is better than console! |
| 22:57.38 | dockane | simonrvn, the man page explaings the shell commands but not the usage of the gui or am i wrong ? |
| 22:57.46 | steve_ | can i get it from my synaptic? |
| 22:57.48 | cheal | concept10: what are you talking about? what do you think is supposed to happen? |
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| 22:58.00 | Downix | ok nevermind, got one |
| 22:58.11 | pablum | damn... talk about shock techniques. |
| 22:58.16 | cheal | steve_: get what from synaptic? |
| 22:58.36 | concept10 | cheal, organizations should make a package for major distros |
| 22:58.41 | Eulex | hehe, yeah, apt-get install cli |
| 22:58.51 | concept10 | cheal, simple as that |
| 22:58.53 | steve_ | CLI is it a package forgive my ignorance but im a new convert fro mandrake |
| 22:59.14 | Blade | hmh |
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| 22:59.31 | Eulex | steve_, cli means command line interface |
| 22:59.35 | Blade | i probably can't copy MySQL database from windows to Debian ? |
| 22:59.42 | cheal | concept10: all organizations should make packages? which ones? |
| 22:59.45 | PerfDave | SNow: there's no way you can do that with just DNS |
| 22:59.56 | steve_ | I see |
| 22:59.57 | nvz | steve_: CLI is Command Line Interface, its an interface whereby the program operates strictly through stdin and stdout on the shell command line |
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| 23:00.16 | pablum | see, I hit the TAB key and the filename is completed, and I SEE that (it SHOWS me) or it SHOWS me a list of choices... |
| 23:00.27 | pablum | it's like visual |
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| 23:00.56 | Downix | you ca do the CLI on the monitor, but you can also run one over a serial or parallell connection, such as to a touch-type screen used by blind people or even to a printer |
| 23:00.58 | concept10 | cheal, For example: If you make a major application for the community like Nvu, you should make a SUPPORTED package for major distros. The way that opera does it. IMHO |
| 23:01.10 | PerfDave | Blade: You probably can if you do an SQL dump. |
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| 23:01.55 | Wyzard | The on-disk format is probably the same too, unless the Linux system is running on something other than x86 |
| 23:02.04 | Eulex | concept10, you should? imho, the role of the programmers are to code, not to package things |
| 23:02.06 | Wyzard | but an SQL dump would definitely be portable |
| 23:02.11 | cheal | concept10: ah, the organizations of developers? I must have been out of context, because I really couldn't figure you meant that |
| 23:02.37 | SNow | guys what should I do, my ISP blocks 1-1024 ports, I need webserver to be runned, how should I bind it on 8080 for example I make an A record to that IP and the users must go then www.mydomain.com:8080 what should I do to prevent that :8080: |
| 23:02.50 | cheal | concept10: but what do you mean by SUPPORTED anyway? |
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| 23:03.00 | edison | Help how can i install debian on an laptop with no floppy and cdrom, but with network card installed on windows 98 ? |
| 23:03.03 | dondelelcaro | SNow: what you should do is switch ISPs. |
| 23:03.07 | Wyzard | Yay, 2.6.12 is finally packaged in sid |
| 23:03.14 | cheal | Yay! |
| 23:03.23 | Wyzard | SNow: You can't |
| 23:03.24 | Eulex | SNow, you can't, you must be referenced with www.mydomain.com:8080 |
| 23:03.24 | concept10 | Eulex, programmers priority is to code, sure. My basic point is that something has to be done about this package non-sense |
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| 23:03.28 | simonrvn | eew |
| 23:03.35 | nvz | SNow: setup a redirect url or change ISPs like dondelelcaro said |
| 23:03.36 | steve_ | my only problem is that i get an access denied error when i try to log into webmin on my local network, and im haveing a similar problem conecting samba share |
| 23:03.54 | roler | are there any urls out there that go over optimizing apache to serve faster? |
| 23:03.55 | PerfDave | SNow: There's no way to do that just through DNS. You need something that's accessible on port 80 somewhere that isn't your ISP. |
| 23:04.01 | steve_ | and no i dont have a firewall that i know of i never installed one |
| 23:04.01 | Wyzard | SNow: Unless you use some redirection service, so that users actually visit some other server (running on port 80) and it proxies to port 8080 on your server |
| 23:04.22 | simonrvn | roler: there are web sites that do, and they have URIs, yes |
| 23:04.24 | PerfDave | edison: Put a CD-ROM or floppy on it, or take the HDD out? I'm presuming it won't boot off USB. |
| 23:04.49 | Wyzard | SNow: But you'd probably have to pay for that, since your web traffic goes through the redirection service, and at that point you might as well just pay for a hosting provider |
| 23:04.58 | concept10 | cheal, _supported_ means someone in the organization making a package for the application. Not some joe_shmo packager around the netuniverse. Who knows what this guy could add to the package |
| 23:05.04 | edison | that what i don't want to do :) I kno i can install zipslack but how to install debian |
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| 23:05.26 | resiak | Install slack then debtakeover? |
| 23:05.41 | Eulex | netboot would work, right? |
| 23:05.47 | edison | resiak, ok what is debtakeover ? |
| 23:05.47 | PerfDave | Oh God, is concept10 one of these people going on about what the Free Software community "should" do? |
| 23:05.49 | toubsu | is there a way to chmod -R +w on to the group level only? and perhaps to folders only? |
| 23:05.50 | pablum | debtakeover? |
| 23:06.31 | nvz | pablum: its a script to takeover a gnu/linux system and turn it into debian |
| 23:06.32 | dondelelcaro | concept10: it's simple. You file an RFP, and hope that someone packages it. |
| 23:06.33 | pablum | ha! |
| 23:06.40 | Wyzard | concept10: Debian has thousands of packages that were made by people not part of the upstream developer community |
| 23:06.48 | pablum | http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/README |
| 23:06.52 | dondelelcaro | concept10: if that's not enough, you can hire a DD to package it. Payment for most DDs is negotiable. |
| 23:07.00 | cheal | concept10: so, you're proposing that important upstreams package their software for major distributions? |
| 23:07.21 | edison | Does it exist an way to use loadlin and start installation on a .iso or something ? |
| 23:07.36 | dondelelcaro | edison: that way lies madness. |
| 23:07.37 | cheal | PerfDave: we should ban them from open source :) |
| 23:07.39 | resiak | edison: Google knows. Alternatively, debootstrap. Or you could probably do that. |
| 23:07.40 | PerfDave | You know, Opera's Debian packages are shoddy. They should hire a Debian developer to package it for them. |
| 23:08.01 | concept10 | PerfDave, No im not. I am looking at it from the perspective of How do we implement communtiy solutions to ease the adoption of Linux? |
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| 23:08.02 | Blade | guys guys |
| 23:08.04 | PerfDave | resiak: Hm, Cygwin + debootstrap? |
| 23:08.07 | Wyzard | edison: The install image for usb-storage devices works by first booting a minimal system, then loop-mounting an iso |
| 23:08.08 | Blade | http://mmore.mine.nu/diffler |
| 23:08.11 | concept10 | cheal, yes |
| 23:08.12 | resiak | PerfDave: Ooh, that might workj. |
| 23:08.18 | Blade | whats MySQL Module: Available: No ? |
| 23:08.20 | PerfDave | concept10: Go and read "The Cathederal and the Bazaar" ten times, then come back ;) |
| 23:08.23 | FieldySnuts | guess. |
| 23:08.24 | Wyzard | edison: Maybe you could find a way to transfer that to a hard-drive partition, and use that |
| 23:08.24 | cheal | Wyzard: I think you just killed incoming.debian.org :) |
| 23:08.25 | furrywolf | edison: you can, but it's a pain. I loadlin'ed a laptop with no removable media... |
| 23:08.37 | dondelelcaro | cheal: that's in ftp-master which is down currently. |
| 23:08.55 | Wyzard | cheal: If I killed incoming, it was by trying to browse it a few hours ago... |
| 23:09.00 | daxxar | Hm. Partitioning a software-raid requires a reboot? |
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| 23:09.01 | cheal | dondelelcaro: ah. would it be the switch to a new host, by chance :D |
| 23:09.02 | concept10 | PerfDave, the basic concept of that essay hasnt worked |
| 23:09.05 | cheal | ? |
| 23:09.05 | edison | Wyzard, yes i can download stuff with win98 and the use it in msdos |
| 23:09.07 | daxxar | Even though the software-raid never has been mounted |
| 23:09.12 | PerfDave | concept10: The basic concept of that essay *does* work. |
| 23:09.32 | streuner | cheal: read debian-devel-annonce and what Troup tell the folk |
| 23:09.36 | cheal | Wyzard: you said kernel 2.6.12 entered sid :) |
| 23:09.40 | Blade | whats MySQL Module: Available: No ? |
| 23:09.47 | resiak | !tell Blade -about repeat |
| 23:10.04 | cheal | streuner: I guess I should subscribe to a d-d-a RSS feed, shouldn't I? :) |
| 23:10.07 | Wyzard | daxxar: Wouldn't surprise me... depends on whether the kernel knows how to reload the partition table from a RAID device like it can from a real disk |
| 23:10.08 | resiak | Blade: You'll need to give us more context than that. But, guessing, you don't have a MySQL module installed. |
| 23:10.09 | Blade | :< |
| 23:10.15 | Wyzard | cheal: It's in the archive... no need to use incoming |
| 23:10.19 | concept10 | PerfDave, Given enough eyes, All bugs are shallow. Packaging systems and/or applications? apt is great. aptitude is great. synaptic is great. Im talking baout the ocmmunity as a whole. |
| 23:10.25 | Blade | resiak: how to install that ? |
| 23:10.33 | cheal | Wyzard: yeah yeah, but I still blame you ;) |
| 23:10.40 | Wyzard | cheal: though I'm wondering now why I'm getting lots of 404s from my mirror trying to do today's upgrade... usually it's finished mirroring by this time of day |
| 23:10.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:10.42 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> newraff & newsamosa down and being moved | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | OH NO X.org! Beware breakage! | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 23:10.43 | PerfDave | concept10: That's great. And when you can pay the community as a whole to listen to you, you come on back. |
| 23:10.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 23:10.58 | cheal | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 23:11.00 | PeterB | Blade: Where did you get that message? |
| 23:11.09 | Blade | http://mmore.mine.nu/diffler |
| 23:11.18 | Blade | while installing dkp system |
| 23:11.18 | dondelelcaro | diff: newraff & newsamosa down and being moved; minor changes to other bits |
| 23:11.23 | resiak | Blade: Install php4-mysql or whatever the package is called, then enable it in php.ini. |
| 23:11.29 | PerfDave | Wyzard: Script one for your IRC client ;) |
| 23:11.36 | cheal | dpkg: maint /topic is dondelelcaro |
| 23:11.38 | PerfDave | Wyzard: Or use a bot to track them |
| 23:11.43 | simonrvn | thanks for the info dondelelcaro |
| 23:11.49 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: np |
| 23:12.03 | dondelelcaro | there is a script called topicdiff if you need it... |
| 23:12.10 | Wyzard | PerfDave: hmm... it'd be a good excuse to learn about XChat's Python API... |
| 23:12.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: there were people in here actually complaining about the /msg dpkg stuff in the topic when dpkg was away and badgers was filling in the other day |
| 23:12.15 | pablum | concept10, I don't think the idea scales. the more distributions you decide deserve "developer packaging support" the more of their time is bound up in nonprogressive stuff. |
| 23:12.15 | simonrvn | explains what's going on with the packages =) |
| 23:12.32 | dondelelcaro | nvz: not surprising... |
| 23:12.36 | concept10 | PerfDave, The problem is not about me paying the community. You take my humble opinion as degrading the community. Its just an opinion. I think you are just sour from last night. |
| 23:12.51 | simonrvn | yeh, i use something like it in irssi. though it doesn't do it public (?) |
| 23:12.57 | cheal | dondelelcaro: that's certainly a patch from a #debian reader :) |
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| 23:13.23 | pablum | someone was pretending to be dpkg? I can find out who... |
| 23:13.32 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I thought so.. I didnt think people even looked at the /topic, much less read it. |
| 23:13.49 | Wyzard | pablum: It was that troll guy... don't remember his nick |
| 23:13.50 | nvz | you woulndt be able to tell people around here could read sometimes |
| 23:13.51 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, Where do I go to request packaging as you suggested? |
| 23:13.52 | PerfDave | concept10: No, I don't think you're degrading the community. But we get a lot of people coming in here spouting off about what the Debian community or the Linux community or the Free Software community or the Open Source community should do, and they're all talking crap. And even if they weren't, they're all just talking and not doing. |
| 23:14.00 | dondelelcaro | concept10: use reportbug |
| 23:14.11 | PerfDave | concept10: I have no idea what you're talking about last night. Last night I fucked my girlfriend and went to sleep. |
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| 23:14.22 | pablum | Wyzard, the one that named himself troll when no one would "help" hiM? |
| 23:14.23 | nvz | heh |
| 23:14.32 | resiak | !PerfDave++ |
| 23:14.40 | Wyzard | pablum: yep |
| 23:14.41 | cheal | yep, that's worth a quote |
| 23:14.43 | nvz | I think I am going to go back to sleep, without fucking PerfDave's girlfriend |
| 23:15.30 | concept10 | PerfDave, If you call me making a remark about packaging "talking crap" then that is insane. I advocate open source. What are you talking about? |
| 23:15.36 | Wyzard | pablum: Incidentally, it led me to discover a sort of bug in xchat... I keep a /query dpkg tab open, and when he renamed himself from dpkg back to his real nick, my tab followed suit :-) |
| 23:15.37 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yeh, i'd like that script please. also my copy of auto_bleh.pl is FUBAR. |
| 23:15.44 | cougar` | Wyzard! |
| 23:15.49 | Wyzard | cougar`: hi |
| 23:15.52 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: what's wrong with it? |
| 23:15.52 | cougar` | HI! |
| 23:15.59 | cougar` | Did you get my memo? |
| 23:16.04 | pablum | Wyzard, I saw that, too. geger or somthing |
| 23:16.05 | Wyzard | cougar`: Yes, and I replied |
| 23:16.07 | simonrvn | i think i borked it editing it |
| 23:16.10 | cougar` | okay |
| 23:16.31 | Wyzard | cougar`: It's not an openvpn thing; it's the kernel logging all the packets that iptables rejects |
| 23:16.42 | concept10 | PerfDave, Like I said .. you are just sour from yesterday, last night whatever |
| 23:16.45 | PerfDave | concept10: You advocate some crazy idea where everybody in the Open Source world has to do things your way, and that's not the way it works. Your idea introduces redundancy and wastes developer effort. If you advocate Open Source, then let it go on working. |
| 23:16.53 | cougar` | Wyzard : Can I fix that or limit that? |
| 23:16.53 | Wyzard | cougar`: The logfile can get pretty big since there's a lot of junk packets going around, but log rotation will keep it from growing indefinitely |
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| 23:17.02 | PerfDave | concept10: I have no fucking idea what you're talking about last night. I don't recall ever speaking to you before. |
| 23:17.03 | cougar` | It was huge! I had to comment out the ULOG declaration |
| 23:17.21 | cougar` | It was 11 Megs! 12 Megs, then I stopped it |
| 23:17.31 | Wyzard | cougar`: It works automatically (unless you've changed your logrotate settings) so you don't need to worry about it |
| 23:17.45 | Wyzard | cougar`: If you don't use ulog, the messages just go to syslog instead... same disk usage, different file |
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| 23:18.03 | concept10 | PerfDave, Your understanding of what I said is off. The idea is not redundant. Only your constant attack of my statement is. |
| 23:18.41 | PerfDave | concept10: The idea *is* redundant, because I've heard it before from the last moron who was spouting off about what he thought was best for everyone. It also introduces redundancy :) |
| 23:18.45 | Wyzard | cougar`: You could maybe configure firehol to cause its iptables rules to not do any logging at all, but I wouldn't bother; the logfiles won't grow indefinitely |
| 23:18.50 | pablum | how many distros is a develper supposed to be responsible for assuring packages of his/her software are available in this system? |
| 23:18.54 | cheal | hum, so I guess the relocation isn't going so well. how long do you expect it to take? |
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| 23:19.11 | cougar` | Wyzard okay |
| 23:19.15 | cougar` | Thanks Wyzard |
| 23:19.17 | Blade | Anyone know how i can move my Database from windows to Linux mysql database ? |
| 23:19.35 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: oh, DCC is ok |
| 23:19.40 | cougar` | Wyzard : Perhaps I coudl bother you about something else I been trying to get work for the last 2 days, which includes all day today |
| 23:19.45 | Wyzard | Blade: Try just copying the files over; there's a good chance the two versions use the same on-disk format |
| 23:19.47 | cheal | Blade: looks like a #mysql question |
| 23:19.51 | PerfDave | Blade: Do an SQL dump on Windows, import it on Linux. We've talked about this. If that doesn't work, ask #mysql |
| 23:20.19 | Wyzard | Blade: If that doesn't work, use mysqldump to dump the database to a text file (full of SQL commands which recreate the tables and load all the data), then execute that SQL script on the other system |
| 23:20.23 | nvz | I think I am going to volentarily /disco for once |
| 23:20.37 | PerfDave | nvz: Yeah, I get that urge for flares and mirror balls too. |
| 23:20.43 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:20.46 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: np |
| 23:20.52 | cougar` | Wyzard : I'm trying to set up a ntp server, which will sync using an NTP server, like time.nist.gov, and then have my local machines sync to the linux box. I have been unsuccessful, paging through all kinds of docs. I added server ntp accept on my firehol configuration, but still, no luck |
| 23:21.06 | nvz | thought it was just me :P |
| 23:21.26 | cheal | pablum: as many as there are major distribs ^_^ |
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| 23:21.33 | DeVeRaS | i'am trying to run teamspeak and eT at the same time, but i can't run ET after i start teamspeak. It has to do with sound, can someone help me please? I tryed change the permitions on dsp and mixer, but still no go |
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| 23:21.50 | eeyore- | cougar`: allow tcp/udp port 123 |
| 23:21.50 | PerfDave | DeVeRaS: What version of Debian and kernel are you running? |
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| 23:21.57 | Wyzard | cougar`: "server ntp accept" on the LAN interface should be all you need... plus a properly-configured NTP daemon, of course |
| 23:22.03 | eeyore- | cougar`: are you saying your traffic is blocked, or what? |
| 23:22.05 | aurax | hello, i get this error while trying to run unrealircd on debian : |
| 23:22.05 | aurax | [warning] unrealircd.conf:83: listen with SSL flag enabled on a non SSL compile |
| 23:22.05 | aurax | [warning] unrealircd.conf:118: listen with SSL flag enabled on a non SSL compile |
| 23:22.06 | DeVeRaS | PerfDave runing other OS |
| 23:22.07 | aurax | any idea? |
| 23:22.09 | simonrvn | i think i'll wait for the x86 x stuff for a little while. tried 6 times (i'm stubborn) and got 404s |
| 23:22.13 | PerfDave | DeVeRaS: What OS are you running? |
| 23:22.16 | DeVeRaS | FC3 |
| 23:22.16 | pablum | cheal, pfft. there goes version $CURRENT + 1 |
| 23:22.23 | PerfDave | DeVeRaS: Then go ask #fedora. |
| 23:22.28 | DeVeRaS | i did :( |
| 23:22.31 | PerfDave | DeVeRaS: #debian is for supporting Debian. |
| 23:22.34 | Wyzard | simonrvn: The 404s stopped for me (on http.us.debian.org and debian.lcs.mit.edu) a few minutes ago |
| 23:22.35 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 23:22.35 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:22.36 | simonrvn | funnily enough the ppc packages were there, on a machine i don't use x much =) |
| 23:22.36 | DeVeRaS | it's not OS related |
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| 23:22.37 | resiak | !they don't know |
| 23:22.38 | eeyore- | cougar`: apart from that, are you sure the server you're trying to sync to allows any arbitrary connection from arbitrary client (namely, YOU) |
| 23:22.43 | resiak | !lart Eulex |
| 23:22.43 | hax | can someone please help me get this damn touchpad tap-to-click disabled? i'm going nuts with it |
| 23:22.46 | cougar` | Wyzard : That's what I need help with and that's my problem, it has to be. It's the same thing about iPTables and the configuration. I donb't know what I need and I don't know what I don't need |
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| 23:23.02 | cougar` | eeyore, yes |
| 23:23.03 | eeyore- | cougar`: because i can easily imagine that, if i were NIST, i wouldn't want any joe-schmoe to bug my time server .... honestly! |
| 23:23.06 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 23:23.19 | cougar` | time.nist.gov is a stratum 1 server, and time.apple.com is a stratum 2 server |
| 23:23.21 | eeyore- | cougar`: "yes" to which part of the multi-part question? |
| 23:23.22 | simonrvn | @they don't know is <reply>Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:23.23 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 23:23.25 | Wyzard | cougar`: ntpd is configured to use pool.ntp.org by default, which works just fine |
| 23:23.29 | bighead | hey, after i apt-get install gnome-volume-manager, do i have to start any deamon in the background? |
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| 23:23.41 | cheal | pablum: sorry...what do you mean by "$CURRENT + 1"? |
| 23:23.52 | eeyore- | cougar`: then WHY IN THE HELL do you want to connect to stratum-1 server? don't you think they would just laugh at your face for showing up? |
| 23:23.54 | cougar` | time.nist.gov is the default for windows XP installs |
| 23:23.57 | simonrvn | and don't do anything to that file, they have enough problems with bad / badly configured clients |
| 23:24.04 | Wyzard | cougar`: Step 1 is to get ntpd working on your router, which shouldn't need any special firewall configuration at all since you already have "client all accept" (I assume) on your external interface |
| 23:24.16 | pablum | cheal, the next revision of whatever software the developer is working on. |
| 23:24.21 | Blade | Error 2003: Can't connect on mysql server on 'ip' <10061> |
| 23:24.22 | Blade | hmm |
| 23:24.27 | simonrvn | cougar`: don't you fucking dare connect to a stratum 1 server. i'll go hunt you down personally |
| 23:24.31 | cheal | pablum: oh, I see :) |
| 23:24.37 | resiak | Blade: Ask #mysql kthxbi. |
| 23:25.00 | Wyzard | cougar`: I thought the Windows default was some timeserver run by Microsoft |
| 23:25.09 | Wyzard | cougar`: At any rate, use pool.ntp.org, the default in the ntp package |
| 23:25.10 | eeyore- | Wyzard: as well as the PDC, yeah |
| 23:25.13 | cougar` | simonrvn : Why don't you confirm that time.nist.gov is a stratum 1 |
| 23:25.23 | simonrvn | why would i? |
| 23:25.30 | cougar` | Wyzard : time.windows.com and time.nist.gov, you can choose either or |
| 23:25.38 | simonrvn | AND YOU DON'T NEED A STRATUM 1 FFS |
| 23:25.44 | Wyzard | cougar`: ah, ok... time.windows.com is the one I was thinking of, but that's the default, I believe |
| 23:25.47 | simonrvn | @kill cougar` |
| 23:25.51 | simonrvn | !kill cougar` |
| 23:25.54 | eeyore- | simonrvn: the answer my friend ... is blowing in the wind :-) |
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| 23:26.38 | simonrvn | eeyore-: fart for brains |
| 23:26.49 | simonrvn | eeyore-: :) |
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| 23:27.36 | PerfDave | DeVeRaS: What do you mean, it's not OS related? Sound problems like this are *always* related to the kernel. The kernel version and configuration is heavily dependent on your distribution. A sound problem in Fedora isn't #debian's problem, nor do we know enough about your non-Debian distro to help you. |
| 23:27.48 | Wyzard | cougar`: You have "client all accept" in your firehol config for your Internet interface, right? |
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| 23:28.01 | concept10 | What is the best way to image/duplicate a server install |
| 23:28.05 | Wyzard | cougar`: (If you used my configuration as a starting point, then you do, unless you changed it) |
| 23:28.11 | DeVeRaS | PerfDave ok. thanks |
| 23:28.15 | cougar` | You guys gangin' up on me have alot of nerve. Obviously I need help. Yet you question why I'm needing help. Then insult me because I needed help. |
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| 23:28.19 | pablum | dd |
| 23:28.24 | cougar` | Wyzard : I do |
| 23:28.29 | cougar` | Wyzard : I have it in place |
| 23:28.43 | bighead | how do i add a username to a group? |
| 23:28.45 | Wyzard | cougar`: Then you don't need any further firewall configuration to successfully sync to an external time source |
| 23:28.46 | simonrvn | cougar`: no. i question your supposed need to use a stratum 1 server |
| 23:28.50 | cougar` | ntp configuration says pick at least 1 stratum 1 server and at least 1 stratum 2 server |
| 23:28.52 | [BeaR] | Hi All |
| 23:28.52 | Blade | well, #mysql don't talk much :p |
| 23:29.10 | resiak | bighead: adduser user group |
| 23:29.12 | eeyore- | cougar`: i didn't insult you. i just asked plain questions. at what point did i insult you? |
| 23:29.18 | Wyzard | cougar`: Using stratum-1 servers is discouraged because it'd be way too much network traffic if everyone synced to them |
| 23:29.33 | bighead | resiak thanks |
| 23:29.43 | Eulex | cougar`, and you don't need that much accuracy |
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| 23:29.47 | simonrvn | cougar`: if you were participating in the NTP pool project as a pool server, i would understand, but i doubt you are, and you would know where to go find one that will allow you to sync to them anyway |
| 23:29.49 | cougar` | simonrvn : Threatening to come find me personally, and the bot killin' m,e |
| 23:29.52 | eeyore- | cougar`: irrespective of what you think, why do you resist very simple step-by-step troubleshooting? |
| 23:29.54 | Wyzard | cougar`: Unless you have a true need for incredibly-accurate time, like if you're running a scientific lab that depends on it or something, don't use one |
| 23:30.08 | cougar` | Wyzard : Well configuration doesn't tell me this |
| 23:30.14 | concept10 | Better question, what is the most prudent way to duplicate a server configuration? Write a script that installs the same packages? or some imaging/drive backup application? |
| 23:30.29 | simonrvn | cougar`: i did, and i will again, and i don't take lightly to people who think they know better than the people that run those servers |
| 23:30.30 | cougar` | Wyzard : Please take a look at my ntp.conf and help me out |
| 23:30.31 | eeyore- | cougar`: *common courtesy*, my friend. do you need a manual for common courtesy? |
| 23:30.47 | dondelelcaro | concept10: just use dpkg --get-selections; and use dpkg --set-selections; the configuration you can just copy (or patch) over. |
| 23:31.03 | Wyzard | cougar`: The default should work fine |
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| 23:31.22 | [BeaR] | I've downloaded the netinstall-testing iso, burnt it, and when it boots it says "Could not find kernel image; /install/2.6/linux" In that directory there is vmlinuz and initrd.gz |
| 23:31.23 | [BeaR] | What do i enter in at the boot prompt to get it to boot properly |
| 23:31.31 | [BeaR] | or where can i find out |
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| 23:31.50 | cougar` | simonrvn : I'd like to see you try man. Seriously, don't threaten people. Espcially somone who has been here all day, asking for help. Then when Wyzard finally starts to help me, have people come in and insult or threaten me. You don't know me. The only thing you should know is that I'm stuck and I don't know how to properly configure it. So the fact that I have a bad configuration, is no reason to threaten me OKAY? |
| 23:32.03 | cougar` | Wyzard : It takes some customizing, and the default did not work |
| 23:32.08 | bighead | anyone know if a username has to be in a particular group to be able to use gnome-volume-manager |
| 23:32.17 | cougar` | Wyzard : Please take a look at the conf please! |
| 23:32.19 | eeyore- | simonrvn: i'm gonna give up for now |
| 23:32.28 | eeyore- | simonrvn: he's not listening ... |
| 23:32.33 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, Thanks. That works for the packages but what do you suggest for other things that I manually setup? |
| 23:32.39 | eeyore- | simonrvn: might as well go read jeep postings :-) |
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| 23:32.45 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 23:33.00 | Wyzard | cougar`: Where is it? |
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| 23:33.19 | cougar` | Wyzard : What is the link to that paste site, that u used for the firehol.conf |
| 23:33.38 | Wyzard | cougar`: pastebin.ca |
| 23:33.45 | [BeaR] | anyone? |
| 23:33.52 | Wyzard | cougar`: If you forget it, "/msg dpkg pastebin" will remind you |
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| 23:34.00 | dondelelcaro | gah. use the paster bot |
| 23:34.02 | cougar` | Wyzard : Thank you |
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| 23:34.09 | PerfDave | [BeaR]: What do you mean, "boot properly"? /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 23:34.17 | cougar` | Wyzard : http://pastebin.ca/18251 |
| 23:34.24 | deadcat | what the f. dist-upgrade is failing like a bitch |
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| 23:34.25 | dondelelcaro | concept10: tar up the configuration, and untar it in the appropriate location; that's a decent place for starters |
| 23:34.28 | [BeaR] | i mean it cant locate the kernel |
| 23:34.33 | simonrvn | deadcat: /topic |
| 23:34.36 | PerfDave | [BeaR]: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 23:34.38 | [BeaR] | at: "boot:" |
| 23:34.43 | cougar` | Wyzard : Like I said, I've been reading alot of documentation that supposed to help me out and only managed to confuse me worse bud |
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| 23:34.49 | deadcat | simonrvn: not that. Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/xutils_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 216.37.55.114 80] |
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| 23:35.04 | resiak | [BeaR]: I hear that the testing installers are broken. Why not use a Sarge installer and upgrade ? |
| 23:35.07 | [BeaR] | i most likley need to tell it where the kernel is. are you able to tell me the correct syntax |
| 23:35.08 | deadcat | simonrvn: almost ALL. i think debian.org is fucked. |
| 23:35.26 | simonrvn | it's totally relevant |
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| 23:35.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: just run it again... some of those mirrors are crap. |
| 23:35.53 | Wyzard | cougar`: Get rid of time.nist.gov and time.apple.com, and uncomment the two "server pool.ntp.org" lines |
| 23:35.59 | Wyzard | cougar`: But anyway, what doesn't work about this config? |
| 23:36.18 | trc | deadcat: what do you mean debian.org *ucked? |
| 23:36.19 | grepper | heh, my mirror's xorg-x11/ dir only has the orig.tar.gz |
| 23:36.19 | cougar` | Wyzard : My local machines can't sync |
| 23:36.34 | PerfDave | [BeaR]: No, because I don't know what your problem is. You need to tell us what version of Debian you're using, how you installed it, what you did before it stopped working and what error messages you're getting. |
| 23:36.35 | Wyzard | cougar`: But the router syncs to the Internet just fine? |
| 23:36.37 | gravity | grepper: Do you want the rest? |
| 23:36.52 | grepper | gravity: well, I switched mirrors, just strange |
| 23:36.54 | gravity | Ah |
| 23:37.09 | simonrvn | FYI, http://mt.google.com/mt?v=w2.5&x=2386&y=3104&zoom=4 |
| 23:37.17 | [BeaR] | PerfDave: <[BeaR]> I've downloaded the netinstall-testing//// |
| 23:37.17 | cougar` | Wyzard : I don't understand. Mac OS X built in server for internet sync is time.apple.com. Windows built in, is time.windows.com and time.nist.gov.... Found alot of documentation where people are using these servers |
| 23:37.17 | grepper | its too bad cause this one is in Toronto - I hope the admins are not incompetent |
| 23:37.19 | anti23 | Is Debian the most used linux distribution? |
| 23:37.25 | simonrvn | i bet i'm pretty close to where he's at |
| 23:37.27 | gravity | anti23: No one knows |
| 23:37.34 | dondelelcaro | anti23: MU. |
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| 23:37.40 | cougar` | Wyzard : The server I believe can sync, but the local machines can't synch to my server |
| 23:37.41 | anti23 | thx |
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| 23:37.43 | Wyzard | cougar`: I don't run an intermediate timeserver like that on my network, so I don't know much about ntpd's options for letting people sync to it |
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| 23:38.02 | simonrvn | don't get me started... just don't |
| 23:38.02 | cougar` | Wyzard : Can you help me anyway? |
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| 23:38.03 | PerfDave | [BeaR]: Well there you go then. Known bug in the testing netinstall images. Use stable. |
| 23:38.09 | eeyore- | Wyzard: you're not asking him a point-blank question, or he doesn't understand: "does his firewall permit connection to port 123/udp and 123/tcp outbound?" |
| 23:38.14 | PerfDave | anti23: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:38.18 | Wyzard | cougar`: Well, leave the Apple one if you want -- they put it there for the general public to use, after all -- but time.nist.gov should not be used by most people, and Microsoft is in the wrong for having put it in that list in the first place |
| 23:38.23 | eeyore- | Wyzard: whoops, i thought i wouldn't get involved :-) naughty me. |
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| 23:38.32 | ryan` | cougar`, i have an ntp config that allows people to sync to it |
| 23:38.55 | Wyzard | eeyore-: I know that it does, becuase he's using firehol (I helped him set it up yesterday) and he said earlier that he put "server ntp accept" on his internal interface, which is the correct thing to do |
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| 23:39.14 | Wyzard | cougar`: I don't know much about that part of the configuration, plus it's dinnertime right now :-) |
| 23:39.15 | cougar` | Ryan : Do you mind if I see the differences between mine and yours, perhaps you could use pastebin.ca? |
| 23:39.20 | [BeaR] | hrm |
| 23:39.25 | [BeaR] | didnt really want to |
| 23:39.32 | [BeaR] | thanks heaps anyways peoples |
| 23:39.33 | cougar` | Wyzard Okay :( |
| 23:39.36 | simonrvn | eeyore-: ntp doesn't use TCP |
| 23:39.38 | dondelelcaro | anti23: read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me: A monk asked Master Joshu: "Does a dog have Buddha-nature?" Joshu replied: "Mu." |
| 23:39.39 | eeyore- | Wyzard: so, all his clients should sync to the router, prime the clients with ntpdate, and watch with "ntpq", why hasn't he done any of these very VERY basic things to troubleshoot? |
| 23:39.42 | Wyzard | cougar`: sorry, but good luck with it |
| 23:39.42 | PerfDave | [BeaR]: Tough titty. That's what you get when you use random testing ISOs - bugs :) |
| 23:39.46 | eeyore- | simonrvn: for the client, yes it does (ntpq) |
| 23:40.02 | simonrvn | why would it when the server doesn't? |
| 23:40.03 | Wyzard | eeyore-: Lack of experience with NTP, that's all |
| 23:40.04 | concept10 | When files are shadowed in nautilus what does that mean? |
| 23:40.04 | cougar` | Wyzard : At this rate I'm about to give u[ |
| 23:40.20 | cougar` | Wyzard : I can only take so much man |
| 23:40.21 | eeyore- | simonrvn: beats me, i just know ntpq needs 123/tcp :-) |
| 23:40.26 | cougar` | 6 AM I was up to ;( |
| 23:40.26 | Wyzard | cougar`: Note that ntpd won't sync if the current system time is very wrong (more than 5000 seconds, I think) |
| 23:40.40 | eeyore- | Wyzard: right, that's why he *needs* to prime it |
| 23:40.45 | [BeaR] | what do people think of ntp Vs. sntp |
| 23:40.47 | Wyzard | cougar`: You should manually adjust the clocks (or use ntpdate) to be reasonably close to the true time |
| 23:40.51 | simonrvn | you need to run ntpdate before the ntpd starts |
| 23:40.59 | Wyzard | [BeaR]: Use NTP when you can, SNTP when you can't use NTP |
| 23:41.09 | simonrvn | stop the ntpd before you run ntpdate, too |
| 23:41.25 | simonrvn | sntp is a half-assed protocol |
| 23:41.54 | eeyore- | simonrvn: kinda like 4x4's without low-range gearing and god-awful breakover angles? |
| 23:42.08 | cougar` | Are you guys willing to help me get it running? I don't care what servers I use. I was only following the instructions |
| 23:42.14 | simonrvn | eeyore-: i have no clue what you said |
| 23:42.20 | cougar` | I';ll paste the revised ntp.conf |
| 23:42.21 | asuffield | if you can't use ntp then you need to stop using windows |
| 23:42.26 | Wyzard | [BeaR]: SNTP just sets the clock as a periodic one-shot thing... it doesn't measure the connection between itself and the timeserver to get a more accurate estimate of the time, doesn't gradually adjust the clock to the true time, and doesn't measure the system's own clock skew and adjust for it continuously even while offline |
| 23:42.41 | shingouz | simonrvn: he said that some four wheel drive trucks suck ;) |
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| 23:43.04 | simonrvn | Wyzard: which is why i said sntp is half-assed, for those very reasons =) |
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| 23:43.18 | cougar` | http://pastebin.ca/18252 |
| 23:43.20 | simonrvn | shingouz: ah ok. eeyore-: yes, exactly |
| 23:43.50 | manuels | Tolimar: are you available? |
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| 23:44.25 | cougar` | eeyore-: Help me please. What are steps you want me to do. |
| 23:44.28 | eeyore- | hey, last sunday i was driving next to a woman who fell asleep driving her (must be comfortable) lexus ... scared the bejeezus out of me. called 911 to report, and 20 minutes later she got into an accident up ahead of me |
| 23:44.33 | simonrvn | cougar`: looks ok. just tail that log file to make sure it's running |
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| 23:44.46 | eeyore- | cougar`: first, make sure router can sync. on the router, run "ntpq", and type in "pe", show me output |
| 23:45.15 | cougar` | okay |
| 23:45.20 | cougar` | join #flood please |
| 23:45.20 | DerMarshal | hi, could anybody explain me how to compile my linux kernel 2.6 to use hyper-threading |
| 23:45.24 | eeyore- | cougar`: "pe" = short form for "peers", shows the peers the machine is synching with, at the moment. the "chosen one" will be marked with asterisk |
| 23:47.05 | Eulex | DerMarshal, you don't need to compile a kernel to do that. use one of the kernel-image-*-smp debian stock kernels |
| 23:47.48 | DerMarshal | where can i get one, and how to install it? |
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| 23:48.04 | DerMarshal | sorry, doing this the first time |
| 23:48.25 | Eulex | DerMarshal, apt-cache search kernel-image smp --names-only |
| 23:48.36 | cougar` | No no |
| 23:48.43 | cougar` | eeyore : Go back plz |
| 23:48.45 | shingouz | DerMarshal: then apt-get install (the correct image) |
| 23:48.47 | eeyore- | cougar`: when you're ready :-) |
| 23:48.50 | cougar` | sorry |
| 23:48.52 | cougar` | Right now, the ntp.drift file was not being created. But it was before, hang on. |
| 23:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 747] by debhelper |
| 23:49.10 | cougar` | I apoligze man. Here I asked you to join and wasn't prepared. Hang on plz... |
| 23:49.44 | Eulex | DerMarshal, pick a 2.6 kernel from there for your processor |
| 23:50.07 | shingouz | DerMarshal: with SMP in its name |
| 23:50.16 | DerMarshal | is ok, was just wandering |
| 23:51.04 | DerMarshal | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP, for use with p4 3,2 ghz |
| 23:51.14 | shingouz | DerMarshal: bingo |
| 23:51.16 | hax | can someone please help me get this damn tap-click off my touchpad? |
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| 23:51.22 | DerMarshal | lol, im getting ti |
| 23:51.31 | eeyore- | hax: i love tap-click, can't live without tap-click |
| 23:51.42 | shingouz | DerMarshal: now just apt-get install that one, reboot and you should be there |
| 23:51.43 | eeyore- | hax: esp. tap-click-drag |
| 23:51.55 | hax | eeyore-: i'm going to go insane if it stays on |
| 23:51.56 | shingouz | trackpoint surel |
| 23:52.02 | hax | eeyore-: it *must* be turned off |
| 23:52.09 | hax | eeyore-: and i've tried everything, nothing takes it off |
| 23:52.13 | shingouz | hm. trackpoints rule even |
| 23:52.31 | eeyore- | hax: X, use "synaptics" driver, tweak the driver parameters |
| 23:52.38 | hax | eeyore-: where do i get that? |
| 23:52.46 | hax | eeyore-: i beleive its an alps, btw? |
| 23:52.47 | eeyore- | hax: it ought to be part of Xorg, now |
| 23:52.48 | DerMarshal | great it doing something =) |
| 23:52.55 | gravity | eeyore-: No, it's not. It still has its own package |
| 23:52.59 | eeyore- | hax: at least it is in my gentoo |
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| 23:53.03 | eeyore- | let me see |
| 23:53.06 | cougar` | eeyore- : I'm ready now |
| 23:53.10 | gravity | hax: apt-cache search synaptics |
| 23:53.12 | hax | eeyore-: i don't think i'm using xorg anyway |
| 23:53.15 | shingouz | eeyore-: gentoo? shhhhh... :p |
| 23:53.20 | cougar` | eeyore- : Waiting for u to join... |
| 23:53.26 | eeyore- | hey wow, sorry, it *is* a separate package :-) |
| 23:53.51 | daxxar | How can I make a software-raid device reread it's partitiontable? Only by rebooting? |
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| 23:53.55 | daxxar | 2.6 kernel |
| 23:53.58 | hax | eeyore-: ok, its installed, now wtf do i do? |
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| 23:54.41 | eeyore- | cougar`: looks good |
| 23:54.42 | simonrvn | cougar`: i over-reacted, but like i said before, i'm sensitive about it. i know where you live, more or less, but i won't do anything. i was just worried about yet another misconfigured ntp client. i'm sorry for over-reacting like that |
| 23:54.47 | simonrvn | afk |
| 23:54.53 | eeyore- | cougar`: just wait a few minutes, "pe" again every now and then |
| 23:55.03 | cougar` | simonrvn : Apology accepted. Thank you. |
| 23:55.09 | cougar` | eeyore okay |
| 23:55.17 | calljair | hello guys? |
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| 23:55.39 | eeyore- | cougar`: when the "when" field reaches "poll" field, ntpd *should* sync with the server |
| 23:55.51 | calljair | I am just testing couple of things in the program bitchx :) |
| 23:55.53 | eeyore- | cougar`: is this the case for you? (when keeps increasing every second) |
| 23:56.16 | cougar` | eeyore-: I don't understand |
| 23:56.19 | eeyore- | cougar`: and *if* ntpd can reach server, then "reach" field should increase by one. eventually a "preferred" peer will be chosen |
| 23:56.22 | shingouz | calljair: we cannot see you :p |
| 23:56.29 | eeyore- | cougar`: keep typing "pe" and read the output :-) |
| 23:56.34 | cougar` | eeyore-: Okay |
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| 23:57.10 | calljair | hello |
| 23:57.13 | calljair | sorry |
| 23:57.35 | shingouz | calljair: bitchin' huh? :) |
| 23:57.50 | calljair | I am just testing something when I want to deatach from the screen what i have to do? |
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| 23:57.59 | calljair | ^c |
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| 23:58.03 | calljair | ^d? |
| 23:58.09 | hax | eeyore-: do you have the synaptics driver configured? |
| 23:58.18 | Ronin | calljair: try ctrl alt d |
| 23:58.19 | beardy | calljair: The program screen? |
| 23:58.20 | eeyore- | hax: yeah, check its documentation for the available parameters |
| 23:58.37 | eeyore- | cougar`: i'm pretty sure your firewall isn't letting out 123/tcp and 123/udp |
| 23:58.50 | eeyore- | cougar`: as it is it hasn't got past the .INIT. stage yet |
| 23:58.59 | cougar` | Hmmmm |
| 23:59.07 | hax | eeyore-: my mouse is identified as this though: |
| 23:59.11 | hax | N: Name="AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint" |
| 23:59.15 | cougar` | Maybe my ntp.conf is not allowing it |
| 23:59.21 | hax | eeyore-: do you think that matters? its not really synaptics... |
| 23:59.24 | eeyore- | hax: that's fine. the synaptics driver should support both |
| 23:59.28 | hax | ok |
| 23:59.30 | beardy | calljair: Ctrl-A D, screen -r to reattach. All the other commands are documented in screens manpage. Ctrl-A ? also gives you a help screen. |
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| 23:59.40 | cougar` | How do I know if have the right netmask, etc |
| 23:59.41 | eeyore- | hax: also, recent kernels (2.6.10+?) change touchpad behaviour |
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