| 00:00.00 | PerfDave | JaMaLz: Have you checked http://www.linuxtv.org/ ? |
| 00:00.02 | abrotman | wtf is a DVB card |
| 00:00.10 | _random_ | hum |
| 00:00.15 | _random_ | pitin |
| 00:00.17 | PerfDave | JaMaLz: Uhm, hardware support is usually a matter of kernels, not distros. |
| 00:00.21 | PerfDave | abrotman: Digital Video Broadcast. |
| 00:00.28 | _random_ | 9600 is not working either |
| 00:00.33 | xar||k | kernel api has "strstr" - strstr is a C function |
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| 00:00.46 | karsten | abrotman: How do you control the printer cmdline via cups? |
| 00:00.48 | JaMaLz | PerfDave well it works over redhat i was searching over google for source codes but nothing |
| 00:00.52 | karsten | abrotman: I'm thinking lpstat may be it. |
| 00:00.55 | doub | a bit of an off-topic question: anyone know how to clean a laptop keyboard? mine is so dirty half of the keys require a hammer to actually work |
| 00:01.00 | abrotman | xar||k: man 3 strstr |
| 00:01.05 | karsten | abrotman: ... OTOH, I think that might be an Ann Rice novel. |
| 00:01.14 | karsten | abrotman: You know: The Vampire lpstat... |
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| 00:01.18 | _random_ | doub: screwdriver |
| 00:01.20 | abrotman | karsten: she has a big house |
| 00:01.39 | _random_ | karsten, lol |
| 00:01.47 | PerfDave | JaMaLz: How does it work on RedHat? |
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| 00:01.59 | doub | _random_: last time i tried this, i f*** it up badly. and this time it's a laptop one, not that easy to replace |
| 00:02.07 | abrotman | doub: you still love us! |
| 00:02.08 | karsten | doub: You should be able to peel off the keys, carfully, wash them, and vac under them with a crevice tool. Put a bit of hose or a sock over that last to keep from sucking up any little bits. |
| 00:02.23 | doub | abrotman: of course, why wouldn't i? |
| 00:02.26 | PerfDave | JaMaLz: You haven't even done an apt-cache search, have you? |
| 00:02.28 | karsten | _random_: ... well, it's sort of a user-space daemon, right? |
| 00:02.32 | _random_ | doub there should not be any pb if your careful |
| 00:02.37 | JaMaLz | PerfDave alot of ppl here use redhat 9 and its wroking fine ? |
| 00:02.43 | abrotman | doub: because we all IRC naked |
| 00:02.49 | abrotman | don't we? |
| 00:02.50 | JaMaLz | if i get the driver can i install it ? over Deb ? |
| 00:03.08 | _random_ | where are you all from ? |
| 00:03.13 | _random_ | states ? |
| 00:03.19 | PerfDave | JaMaLz: What did you do to set it up on RH 9? |
| 00:03.27 | abrotman | _random_: depends who you're talking to |
| 00:03.33 | doub | abrotman: well, not right now, but i often do. feeling comfortable is important for a good #debian experience ;) |
| 00:03.40 | PerfDave | JaMaLz: apt-cache search penta net |
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| 00:03.45 | _random_ | everybody ( yes i know its a flood invitation ) |
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| 00:04.02 | PerfDave | _random_: There are lots of people here from all over the place. |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | i'm from antartica |
| 00:04.23 | vali | states? maybe countries |
| 00:04.41 | Phat32 | I just installed debian from cd it was the minimal installation |
| 00:04.43 | JaMaLz | any one have debian to do that now ? |
| 00:04.51 | Phat32 | and now I'm not sure how to get my x server running |
| 00:04.53 | abrotman | !congratulate Phat32 |
| 00:04.53 | _random_ | do what ? |
| 00:04.55 | PerfDave | JaMaLz: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 00:04.55 | dpkg | Woohoo Phat32, you did it! |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | Phat32: which desktop do you prefer ? |
| 00:05.06 | PerfDave | Phat32: You need to install X, and probably a DE and DM with it ;) |
| 00:05.10 | Phat32 | fluxbox |
| 00:05.10 | _random_ | phat32: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 00:05.21 | abrotman | Phat32: apt-get install x-window-system xdm fluxbox |
| 00:05.55 | doub | abrotman: one would say it's rather lazyness to take clothes out of the drawer, but i object to this fairly cynical point of view |
| 00:06.20 | abrotman | doub: a little nudity never killed anyone .. |
| 00:06.37 | JaMaLz | PerfDave its there |
| 00:06.40 | _random_ | everybody sleeping on debian-fr :-( |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | cause it's 2am there |
| 00:07.11 | _random_ | i lost my xfce4-panel so i dont know what time it is |
| 00:07.11 | abrotman | and quebecois isn't really french .. so they won't let canadians in |
| 00:07.28 | meowwuff | wtf |
| 00:07.32 | meowwuff | abrotam are you canadian/ |
| 00:07.40 | _random_ | i like the quebecois accent |
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| 00:07.48 | abrotman | meowwuff: i play one on tv |
| 00:07.53 | _random_ | lol |
| 00:07.56 | doub | abrotman: and besides, my clothes aren't in the drawer, but rather waiting for a wash up. and besides, the washing-clothes crashed in an unexpected fashion long ago, but noone is able to fix it yet. so, i'm often nude on #debian. and, you're right, i'm still alive |
| 00:07.57 | meowwuff | heh |
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| 00:08.25 | abrotman | doub: see .. nudity is fun .. |
| 00:08.31 | _random_ | doub: a washing machine can not crash |
| 00:08.35 | abrotman | meowwuff: it was of course a joke :) |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | well . i think it was |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | my french is fairly rusty |
| 00:08.56 | _random_ | where you from ? |
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| 00:09.13 | doub | _random_: no, but the controlling process, responsible for putting clothes in, taking them out and putting them to dry up, can |
| 00:09.19 | abrotman | france .. but i'm canadian .. so they smack me every time i try to speak french |
| 00:09.23 | doub | _random_: my brains don't yet run debian, you see |
| 00:09.42 | meowwuff | righttttt |
| 00:09.43 | _random_ | oh |
| 00:09.46 | _random_ | nice country |
| 00:09.58 | _random_ | i knew i didnot like north america |
| 00:10.02 | meowwuff | canada is the best :P |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | meowwuff: can you smell the sarcasm from there ? |
| 00:10.21 | doub | _random_: of course it is. if you except paris, of course |
| 00:10.25 | _random_ | i know i shouldnot generalize |
| 00:10.27 | meowwuff | i didnt know you could smell things over the internet? |
| 00:10.38 | jasoncohen | anyone using the 2.6.12 kernel package from sid? |
| 00:10.42 | stew | meowwuff: modprobe aromafs |
| 00:11.05 | _random_ | hehehehe |
| 00:11.24 | deadcat | jasoncohen: no |
| 00:11.39 | meowwuff | stew: ya ya =] |
| 00:11.46 | _random_ | jasoncohen, no |
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| 00:11.54 | doub | _random_: paris is full of useless people thinking they are the most important thing on earth. and guess what? this sort of people often is the most useless thing in the universe |
| 00:12.00 | jasoncohen | heh |
| 00:12.09 | jasoncohen | i just wanted to know because the tveeprom module is screwed up in 2.6.11 |
| 00:12.13 | _random_ | doub i dont care i dont like paris either |
| 00:12.17 | abrotman | _random_: i'm actually from Lyon |
| 00:12.20 | jasoncohen | after compiling kernel modules it won't load bttv |
| 00:12.24 | _random_ | abrotman, serious ? |
| 00:12.29 | _random_ | we are neigbor |
| 00:12.30 | abrotman | _random_: no |
| 00:12.39 | jasoncohen | i tried 2.6.11-1-386, 2.6.11-1-686, and 2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 00:12.39 | abrotman | or cat |
| 00:12.44 | vali | doub: i think that happens in all cities |
| 00:12.50 | abrotman | _random_: i'm from Philadelphia |
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| 00:13.11 | _random_ | i hope you lie it |
| 00:13.17 | _random_ | like |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | it's just fine .. |
| 00:13.27 | _random_ | iam from lyon |
| 00:13.34 | _random_ | well |
| 00:13.36 | abrotman | i know |
| 00:13.37 | _random_ | nearby |
| 00:13.39 | abrotman | you're near it |
| 00:13.46 | abrotman | we have geography classes in the states too |
| 00:13.54 | _random_ | hm |
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| 00:13.59 | doub | vali: well, i met and american sysadmin the other day, who left everything to travel around the world, the other day, and he told me exactly the same. |
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| 00:14.24 | abrotman | doub: i need that kind of job :) |
| 00:14.50 | Phat32 | failed to initialize core devices |
| 00:15.05 | stew | doub, vali: we new yorkers have that attitude as well, be we are actually correct |
| 00:15.14 | stew | ;) |
| 00:15.18 | abrotman | stew: you are ? |
| 00:15.31 | Phat32 | I installed Xfree86 and fluxbox already |
| 00:15.45 | Phat32 | is that why it's not working now |
| 00:15.49 | stew | i actually don't think i've been living here long enough to correctly call myself a new yorker |
| 00:15.57 | stew | !phillysmite stew |
| 00:16.00 | _random_ | Phat32, you are missing some mouse / kboard entry in X config file |
| 00:16.01 | abrotman | Phat32: look at the log in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:16.27 | stew | Phat32: 2.6 kernel? /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 00:16.34 | Phat32 | 2.4 |
| 00:16.50 | stew | !devinputmice |
| 00:16.50 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. Sometimes you need to `modprobe mousedev`. It doesn't always take care of itself. ;-) |
| 00:16.50 | abrotman | Phat32: look at the log |
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| 00:16.56 | doub | vali: the problem is, i never travelled much farther than the paris suburbs and some youth trips. so i can't really compare. and besides, in france, there's only one city where people dream of going to become something (useless, see upper), it's paris. so we don't meet this behavior much elsewhere |
| 00:17.09 | doub | vali: but i guess you're right |
| 00:17.15 | karsten | This is really frustrating... |
| 00:17.21 | _random_ | doub: yes we do, everywhere |
| 00:17.38 | _random_ | but especially in france, thats true |
| 00:17.44 | _random_ | for what i know |
| 00:17.56 | luminerd | Is there a good channel for discussion of setting up a channel anyone here knows of? |
| 00:18.08 | abrotman | setting up a channel ? |
| 00:18.09 | _random_ | #debian semmes a good place |
| 00:18.17 | PerfDave | luminerd: Setting up an IRC channel? Check http://www.freenode.net/ |
| 00:18.26 | jasoncohen | um, has anyone compiled ivtv with the 2.6.12 kernel headers from linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386? |
| 00:18.26 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: ask in #freenode, or read the FN faq first. |
| 00:18.30 | _random_ | apt-get install ircd |
| 00:18.38 | jasoncohen | it fails |
| 00:18.44 | Phat32 | there's so much info in the log |
| 00:18.47 | Phat32 | what am I looking for |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | Phat32: look for EE lines |
| 00:18.51 | _random_ | man grep |
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| 00:19.04 | jasoncohen | here's the compile error - http://pastebin.ca/18317 |
| 00:19.27 | luminerd | PerfDave, Ack! I'm sorry man |
| 00:19.32 | luminerd | I meant a server, not a channel |
| 00:19.45 | _random_ | well nobody's been really successful with my serial problems |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | jasoncohen: it's possible .. it may not compile with gcc4 |
| 00:20.01 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i'm not in sid |
| 00:20.04 | doub | stew: what's the point in doing such a thing? i can understand you're under pressure all the time in a big city, so you have to protect yourself. but there's a difference between protecting yourself and walking on everybody else's foot |
| 00:20.13 | stew | huh? |
| 00:20.18 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i'm in sarge. i just installed 2.6.12 because 2.6.8 gives me kernel page faults |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | jasoncohen: oh cute ... |
| 00:20.28 | PerfDave | luminerd: You want to run your own IRC server? Or one as part of the Freenode network? |
| 00:20.34 | jasoncohen | abrotman, everything else on my system is sarge |
| 00:20.42 | Phat32 | It can't open my mouse |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | Phat32: what's the EE line |
| 00:20.52 | stew | doub: i'm under no pressure |
| 00:20.53 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i just installed kernel headers, source and the 2.6.12 kernel |
| 00:20.55 | doub | stew: you said you NYers are actually correct in your high self esteem |
| 00:21.05 | stew | doub: its a joke, son |
| 00:21.07 | jasoncohen | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 00:21.08 | luminerd | PerfDave, no, no lol! Haha, a server...an actual server...that runs computers |
| 00:21.45 | PerfDave | luminerd: A server that runs computers? What *are* you talking about? |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | jasoncohen: have you ever gotten it to compile cleanly ? |
| 00:21.57 | luminerd | PerfDave, no, no lol! Haha, a server...an actual server...that runs computers |
| 00:21.59 | stew | jasoncohen: fwiw, my ivtv is running under sarge with 2.6.11 and compiled fine and has been solid |
| 00:22.00 | luminerd | oops |
| 00:22.01 | jasoncohen | abrotman, in 2.6.8 and all flavors of 2.6.11 |
| 00:22.02 | luminerd | sorry |
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| 00:22.11 | stew | jasoncohen: i was going to try 2.6.12 this weekend, but maybe not |
| 00:22.13 | doub | stew: well, well. i like jokes, but guess what? i'm having a hard time finding these funny. nothing against you, but still |
| 00:22.13 | _random_ | we should think in term of american, parisien and so forth, we are individuals, not categories |
| 00:22.15 | jasoncohen | stew, ivtv isn't the problem in 2.6.11 |
| 00:22.24 | luminerd | PerfDave, I mean a server...like...you know, like a network server |
| 00:22.25 | abrotman | jasoncohen: sounds like the 2.6.12 and your driver areen't geting along .. wouldn't be the first time something like that happened |
| 00:22.30 | jasoncohen | stew, bttv doesn't work since the tveeprom module won't load after i build kernel modules |
| 00:22.34 | _random_ | s/should/shouldNOT/ |
| 00:23.01 | jasoncohen | sorry- the tveeprom module loads- bttv won't |
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| 00:23.45 | jasoncohen | stew, do you use bttv as well or just ivtv? |
| 00:23.46 | FlimFlamMan | mmmm, samosa |
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| 00:24.10 | abrotman | she's not coming |
| 00:24.14 | abrotman | she met a cute frenchman |
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| 00:24.18 | stew | jasoncohen: ivtv and i'm going to make an attempt at getting a pchdtv card working soon |
| 00:24.19 | jasoncohen | stew, it seems i can modprobe ivtv and bttv after compiling ivtv in 2.6.11 but as soon as i do a make modules && make modules_install to build a custom module i need, bttv breaks and i don't know why |
| 00:24.28 | _random_ | lol abrotman |
| 00:24.32 | shingouz | abrotman: that was nasty :p |
| 00:24.35 | stew | jasoncohen: have you asked in #mythtv-users? |
| 00:24.40 | abrotman | shingouz: you farted? |
| 00:24.45 | Phat32 | xf860OpenSerial: Canot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 00:24.50 | Phat32 | no such device |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | Phat32: what kind of mouse ? |
| 00:25.05 | _random_ | modprobe mousedev ? |
| 00:25.10 | luminerd | Ok here's what I am looking for: a channel dedicated to the discussion of setting up servers, specifically thin-client servers. I may be in a bit over my head on this project, I need someone to help me. |
| 00:25.10 | jasoncohen | stew, no- i thought it was a problem with debian's 2.6.11 package- i was told it was when i asked here |
| 00:25.11 | Phat32 | Configured mouse: cannot open input device |
| 00:25.15 | abrotman | Phat32: what kind of mouse ? |
| 00:25.29 | FlimFlamMan | etch or ubuntu - which would you pick for a semi-stable workstation? :-) |
| 00:25.36 | doub | abrotman: well, that won't prevent her from coming, but not at _random_'s, maybe ;) |
| 00:25.41 | doub | hum |
| 00:25.42 | Phat32 | PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" |
| 00:25.45 | abrotman | doub: HA! |
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| 00:25.48 | abrotman | Phat32: what kind of mouse ? |
| 00:25.59 | stew | jasoncohen: i'd give it a shot, good chance someone in there has tried your combination of cards / drivers /kernel |
| 00:26.01 | Phat32 | it's an optical wheel mouse |
| 00:26.07 | abrotman | usb or ps2 ? |
| 00:26.10 | PerfDave | luminerd: If you want thin clients, look at LTSP - http://www.ltsp.org/ if I remember correctly. |
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| 00:26.37 | Phat32 | it's using a usb to ps2 converter |
| 00:26.40 | Phat32 | so ps2 |
| 00:26.41 | stew | Phat32: does mdetect find it? |
| 00:26.42 | _random_ | any idea as to why my xfce4-panel wont start any longer ? |
| 00:27.01 | _random_ | PerfDave, you remeber fine |
| 00:27.01 | Phat32 | mdetect command not found |
| 00:27.03 | shingouz | Phat32: PS/2, dammit |
| 00:27.09 | Phat32 | lol |
| 00:27.11 | luminerd | PerfDave, I know of this site...I'm already setting it up, what I am looking for though is a channel...not a website |
| 00:27.27 | PerfDave | luminerd: If there's not one listed on the ltsp website, you may be out of luck. |
| 00:27.27 | stew | Phat32: do you have mousedev instlled? |
| 00:27.32 | Phat32 | abrotman said ps2 |
| 00:27.46 | abrotman | i heard you |
| 00:27.47 | SDFH_Linux | i know this is a silly question but should i bother trying to install testing netinstall on a test computer |
| 00:27.47 | _random_ | luminerd, i dont know any chan about ltsp, but the mailing list is pretty active |
| 00:27.49 | PerfDave | luminerd: Uhm, /msg chanserv list *ltsp* |
| 00:27.54 | abrotman | Phat32: dmesg | grep -i mouse .. see anything ? |
| 00:27.54 | Phat32 | mousedev is not a recognised command |
| 00:28.03 | stew | Phat32: modprobe mousedev |
| 00:28.13 | nvz | mousedev is a driver in the kernel |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | nvz: church brew works! |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | nvz: by the way .. get a contract .. fix thier site |
| 00:28.51 | karsten | abrotman: A test page prints fine. Everything else wants to go legal. |
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| 00:29.03 | abrotman | karsten: can you resize the page ? |
| 00:29.06 | Phat32 | modeprobe mousedev --> mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 00:29.08 | luminerd | PerfDave, #ltsp exists, but with very few users :( |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | Phat32: yay |
| 00:29.37 | Phat32 | why is that yay? |
| 00:29.45 | doub | _random_: look at what 'ps aux' says. maybe it's started but stuck during init. i've seen it do this once or twice |
| 00:29.51 | Phat32 | when I try to start x I see black and whiet bars everywhere then it crashes |
| 00:29.53 | abrotman | Phat32: try to start X again |
| 00:29.55 | _random_ | oooooh |
| 00:30.00 | _random_ | it cames back |
| 00:30.01 | abrotman | Phat32: gotta keep checking the log |
| 00:30.05 | doub | _random_: because of a newly installed panel plugin, which made it crash |
| 00:30.07 | _random_ | and my girl too |
| 00:30.15 | nvz | abrotman: wtf are you talking about? |
| 00:30.18 | SDFH_Linux | i know this is a silly question but should i bother trying to install testing netinstall on a test computer |
| 00:30.21 | abrotman | nvz: churchbrew.com |
| 00:30.25 | _random_ | doub i dont install no plugin |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | nvz: fix it! |
| 00:30.44 | nvz | I dont do websites |
| 00:30.45 | abrotman | nvz: it sucks .. please fixie! |
| 00:30.47 | Phat32 | woah |
| 00:30.52 | Phat32 | I see my fluxbox desktop now |
| 00:30.53 | abrotman | nellie |
| 00:30.54 | doub | _random_: cheers |
| 00:30.55 | Phat32 | with no theme |
| 00:30.58 | _random_ | yep |
| 00:31.01 | abrotman | nvz: please!?!?! |
| 00:31.07 | Phat32 | and my mouse won't move |
| 00:31.13 | _random_ | i think my sid is getting old |
| 00:31.27 | _random_ | its a long time since i installed it |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | Phat32: you have to push it with your hand |
| 00:31.31 | nvz | abrotman: use greasemonkey and platypus ffs, leave me alone 8P |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | nvz: heh |
| 00:31.40 | _random_ | and i was not very gentle with her |
| 00:31.43 | FlimFlamMan | i have a sarge installation, and a free partition. i'd like to create a duplicate install on the free partition. can i just copy from existing to free partition, add a grub entry, and update the fstab file? |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
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| 00:32.02 | Phat32 | my mouse isn't responding |
| 00:32.05 | PerfDave | FlimFlamMan: It may well work |
| 00:32.05 | _random_ | FlimFlamMan, if its the same size i would use dd |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | Phat32: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. pick /dev/psaux |
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| 00:32.25 | FlimFlamMan | i think they're the same size |
| 00:32.34 | nvz | abrotman: greasemonkey is a firefox plugin that lets you change the view of any site with scripts.. platypus is a tool to edit websites and save them as greasmonkey code |
| 00:32.41 | _random_ | or tar |
| 00:32.51 | _random_ | FlimFlamMan, be careful with file permissions |
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| 00:32.53 | nvz | abrotman: you never have to put up with a website's design again |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | nvz: fix it! |
| 00:33.13 | vchrizz | hiho |
| 00:33.16 | FlimFlamMan | so i can use dd to copy from one partition to another? |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | you can .. |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | depends what you're trying to do |
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| 00:33.34 | _random_ | FlimFlamMan, or cp -r or rsync -a or tar -p .... |
| 00:33.41 | vali | FlimFlamMan: use cp -a |
| 00:33.46 | vchrizz | xdoes someone know how to read the CDINDEX discid and/or MCN of a cd? |
| 00:33.46 | FlimFlamMan | presumably i should boot from a livecd instead of copying from the running install :-) |
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| 00:34.01 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: you'd have to change the fstab etc on the copy |
| 00:34.04 | doub | nvz: that's some kind of a nasty idea. why not fix the problem at its source? |
| 00:34.05 | Phat32 | how can I find my video card's bus identifier |
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| 00:34.08 | abrotman | Will_: stop bouncing!!!!! |
| 00:34.08 | FlimFlamMan | abrotman, yeah |
| 00:34.14 | _random_ | FlimFlamMan, maybe youll spend less time by resintalling from scratch ... |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | Phat32: hit enter .. leave blank |
| 00:34.20 | doub | nvz: like telling the webmaster |
| 00:35.06 | karsten | abrotman: FWIW: trying to force to letter papersize with mpage fails: mpage -bletter -1 -o galeon.ps | lpr |
| 00:35.10 | doub | nvz: anyone would profit from the improvement, not only you. and you wouldn't require a bi-xeon to see a corrct web page |
| 00:35.15 | karsten | abrotman: .. results in "PC LOAD LEGAL" on printer. |
| 00:35.18 | FlimFlamMan | _random_, how would that save time? |
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| 00:35.31 | abrotman | karsten: PC LOAD LETTER .. WTF IS PC LOAD LETTER !! |
| 00:35.34 | FlimFlamMan | bi-xeon? |
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| 00:35.47 | Phat32 | what is ImPS/2 ? |
| 00:35.49 | FlimFlamMan | hehehe |
| 00:35.55 | karsten | abrotman: "PC" == paper cassette. HPLJ4 printer |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | Phat32: it's a wheelmouse |
| 00:35.58 | _random_ | FlimFlamMan, installing a debian takes one hour, and youre sure it will work |
| 00:36.01 | karsten | Phat32: Your mouse. |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | karsten: you missed the reference .. you're bad |
| 00:36.06 | stew | Phat32: intellimouse protocol for wheel mice |
| 00:36.10 | FlimFlamMan | i had an old line printer that constantly fucked up that i wanted to take into a field and beat the crap out of with a bat |
| 00:36.19 | karsten | abrotman: whoooooooooosh. |
| 00:36.25 | _random_ | yeah i hate printers |
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| 00:36.27 | doub | FlimFlamMan: xeon is a server-aimed CPU type. bi stands for 2, that is two CPUs |
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| 00:36.39 | _random_ | they are bad for the trees |
| 00:36.39 | FlimFlamMan | _random_, yeah, but all the additional apps, configs, etc... |
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| 00:36.45 | fortysixand2 | printers are the thing I dread most about computers |
| 00:36.46 | _random_ | save a tree, eat a printer |
| 00:36.50 | kados | I've got a system booting of a CF card and I'd like to use 'dd' to 'flash' another CF to make a spare ... do I need to create a partition and format it before I do or can dd do that for me? |
| 00:36.54 | abrotman | karsten: Michael Bolton: "PC Load Letter"? What the fuck does that mean? |
| 00:36.59 | _random_ | FlimFlamMan, included in the hour |
| 00:37.04 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Still missing it. |
| 00:37.06 | FlimFlamMan | doub, i believe the common nomenclature is dual-xeon? |
| 00:37.10 | stew | kados: dd will not create partitions |
| 00:37.12 | _random_ | 1/2 install, 1/2 post install and configuration |
| 00:37.16 | kados | stew: thanks |
| 00:37.18 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to view an email's wordperfect attachment when the attachment's "Content-Type:" header describes it as "application/octet-stream"? |
| 00:37.19 | _random_ | stew yes it will |
| 00:37.22 | fortysixand2 | Office Space |
| 00:37.28 | kados | _random_: really? |
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| 00:37.43 | CasaNova_ | I can't seem to get my wireless pcmcia card to work. I read the docs - must be misuderstanding something. When I insert card I get nothing. I added hostap modues and hostap-utilities... |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | karsten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Load_Letter ... you're slow |
| 00:37.45 | stew | kados: dd is just cp with variable blocksizes and count to stop it before eof |
| 00:37.48 | wishie | hmm, xorg has been working fine here, and now i have an unmet dependency |
| 00:37.51 | FlimFlamMan | michael bolton? |
| 00:37.56 | _random_ | kados: dd if/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb will create a perferct image of hda on hdb, including partitions |
| 00:37.59 | wishie | libx11-dev: Depends: libx11-6 (= 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4) but 6.8.2.dfsg.1-3 is installed <-- that one. |
| 00:38.05 | doub | FlimFlamMan: i don't know, i'm french. so i guess it's some kind of a "frenchism" |
| 00:38.12 | Phat32 | sweet |
| 00:38.19 | Phat32 | flux is up and running |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | apparently |
| 00:38.28 | FlimFlamMan | doub, ok. usually "bi" is interpreted to mean "bisexual" in english. |
| 00:38.31 | Yabden | he MADE a million dollars |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | Phat32: 1.21 gigawatts ? |
| 00:38.34 | luminerd | I am really in over my head man :( I don't know what do do! I picked up a job to network all the computers and I've never set up a server before. What if something goes horribly wrong? I need to find the best way to do this by tomorrow, please is there anyone here good with servers and particularly thin-client servers that will help me? |
| 00:38.35 | _random_ | Phat32, congratulations |
| 00:38.38 | wishie | haha, office space |
| 00:38.45 | kados | _random_: does it matter if the CF's aren't the same size? |
| 00:38.52 | stew | kados: what _random_ says is correct, but copying hda1 to hdb1 will not work if hdb1 doesn't already exist |
| 00:38.55 | doub | FlimFlamMan: in french too. but i like puns, too |
| 00:38.55 | _random_ | kados, yes it does |
| 00:38.56 | CasaNova_ | luminerd: sub-contract... |
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| 00:39.14 | abrotman | Will_: STOP BOUNCING |
| 00:39.15 | luminerd | CasaNova_, I don't have the money! |
| 00:39.20 | FlimFlamMan | luminerd, *wow*. |
| 00:39.22 | _random_ | kados it will only work if source and destination are exactly the same |
| 00:39.24 | dvs | abrotman: I think it's automated |
| 00:39.30 | wishie | why go for a job if you dont have the ability to do it ? |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | dvs: he can turn it off |
| 00:39.38 | jasoncohen | is there a way to compijle one module without having to compile every kernel module? |
| 00:39.39 | kados | _random_: and if the're not is there another way to do it? |
| 00:39.39 | rrt_ | can I setup a print server with debian/ no xwindows? |
| 00:39.40 | dvs | abrotman: I don't think he's there |
| 00:39.46 | _random_ | luminerd, buy yourself a plane ticket for south america |
| 00:39.58 | _random_ | kados: cp, rsync, tar ... |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | dvs: oh .. maybe he is .. maybe he isn't .. maybe he's just annoying and should be shoved in a trashcan |
| 00:40.12 | _random_ | rrt_, sure you can |
| 00:40.14 | abrotman | rrt_: yes |
| 00:40.15 | dvs | abrotman: Agreed |
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| 00:40.30 | Phat32 | thank you thank you thank you |
| 00:40.32 | rrt_ | where would I find documentation about how to do this? |
| 00:40.34 | _random_ | irc is addictive |
| 00:40.40 | _random_ | rrt_, google cups |
| 00:40.43 | FlimFlamMan | luminerd, how the heck did you end up in that position? |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | dvs: seriously .. /lastlog Will_ |
| 00:40.52 | rrt_ | thanks. |
| 00:41.02 | abrotman | _random_: isn't your g/f home ? |
| 00:41.05 | kados | _random_: but how do I make it bootable? |
| 00:41.14 | _random_ | abrotman, yes |
| 00:41.19 | kados | _random_: getting the files there isn't the problem ;-) |
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| 00:41.31 | _random_ | kados, chroot and lilo |
| 00:41.35 | _random_ | or grub-install |
| 00:41.37 | _random_ | maybe |
| 00:41.40 | luminerd | FlimFlamMan, one thing lead to another, I was just going to "help" with the computer stuff... |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | _random_: shouldn't you be like .. talking to her ? :) |
| 00:41.41 | stew | hrm there is no wikifaq for UsePrinter, someone who acutally uses one should create it |
| 00:41.46 | doub | FlimFlamMan: and anyway, bi in bisexual also stands for "2". so having your hard-wired "bi"="bisexual" neuron path struggling with some other idea isn't that bad, it prevents from routine |
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| 00:41.54 | chealer | Do someone can help me with Boon 2 |
| 00:42.02 | _random_ | abrotman, shes dead asleep |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | _random_: good .. she won't talk back! |
| 00:42.17 | _random_ | mdr |
| 00:42.18 | FlimFlamMan | luminerd, this organization currently runs on debian (or linux), or what? |
| 00:42.18 | stew | !beer stew |
| 00:42.24 | stew | happy friday |
| 00:42.24 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | damn you |
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| 00:42.30 | stew | i'm officially of work |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | damn you |
| 00:42.37 | stew | off |
| 00:42.41 | abrotman | stew: i should hope so .. it's 9pm |
| 00:42.44 | lawnchair | hmm, can i just upgrade one package on a system instead of a complete apt-get upgrade |
| 00:42.47 | chealer | Frozen-Solid[Wor: |
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| 00:42.55 | doub | FlimFlamMan: so, i love bi-xeons. |
| 00:42.55 | luminerd | FlimFlamMan, not currently, it's setting up right now...it will run debian, and skolelinux (based on Debian) |
| 00:42.56 | chealer | Frozen-Solid[Wor: suck in this |
| 00:42.58 | _random_ | lawnchair, apt-get install package |
| 00:43.02 | jasoncohen | so, there's no way to compile a single kernel module? |
| 00:43.03 | lawnchair | heh ok |
| 00:43.05 | lawnchair | easy enough |
| 00:43.08 | CasaNova_ | I installed hostap_modules<uname -r> and hostap-modules, I edited my /etc/pcmcia/hostap.conf and when I plug on the pcmcia Wireless nic nothing happens. What did I miss? I did modprobe hostap... |
| 00:43.08 | chealer | bush: love you too |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | chealer: wrong channel |
| 00:43.19 | _random_ | well ids |
| 00:43.19 | chealer | lawnchair: why not ? |
| 00:43.25 | lawnchair | chealer, why not indeed |
| 00:43.25 | _random_ | time for me to go to bed |
| 00:43.31 | _random_ | thanks you everybody |
| 00:43.34 | _random_ | good night |
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| 00:43.34 | chealer | too good for me |
| 00:43.40 | _random_ | have a nice weekend |
| 00:43.42 | stew | doh, spoke too soon |
| 00:43.50 | stew | just got an im from a client |
| 00:43.52 | maher | can anyone tell me how to install an external skin/theme on gallery? the obvious plan of unzipping it into /usr/share/gallery/skins doesn't seem to work... |
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| 00:43.53 | _random_ | dont spend too much time on your keyboards |
| 00:43.58 | wishie | /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: error while loading shared libraries: 3_EERKS1_: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- wtf does this mean |
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| 00:44.01 | FlimFlamMan | luminerd, so you're doing this for free? |
| 00:44.12 | luminerd | FlimFlamMan, no, but not what it's worth :P |
| 00:44.24 | FlimFlamMan | luminerd, what kind of organization is it? |
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| 00:44.59 | chealer | ah non ! je parle en son nom! |
| 00:45.07 | luminerd | FlimFlamMan, call center |
| 00:45.17 | luminerd | chealer, eh? |
| 00:45.23 | chealer | abrotman: veteran ? |
| 00:45.41 | FlimFlamMan | luminerd, well i feel for you. good luck. |
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| 00:45.53 | abrotman | chealer: crack? |
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| 00:46.13 | stew | ok that was an easy one |
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| 00:46.18 | chealer | abrotman: second mind, inferior2 2one |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | chealer: cows .. brown cows |
| 00:46.45 | luminerd | I was Told bob2 could help? |
| 00:46.56 | abrotman | you were told .. by whom? |
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| 00:47.16 | luminerd | rixth_ |
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| 00:47.37 | liable | luminerd: maybe admit your over your head, and save more embarassment later on. |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | call a professional |
| 00:48.27 | FlimFlamMan | can the /boot partition be vfat? |
| 00:48.32 | stew | so i celebrated getting a new laptop yesterday by installing a bunch of that evil sounding software that had always scared me in the past like udev and autofs and stuff |
| 00:48.39 | stew | it actually didn't turn out to be all that evil |
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| 00:49.04 | fortysixand2 | stew: what kind of laptop? |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: if grub/lilo can find it |
| 00:49.12 | stew | fortysixand2: thinkpad t42 |
| 00:49.23 | fortysixand2 | solid piece of machinery there |
| 00:49.24 | abrotman | someone kill will |
| 00:49.37 | vali | FlimFlamMan: why? |
| 00:49.44 | fortysixand2 | I had a t23 at my last job |
| 00:49.44 | stew | and i switched from ratpoison to ion3 and i can't believe i had never tried ion3 before, its the shit |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | stew: it's brown and smelly ? |
| 00:50.03 | fortysixand2 | ion3? |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | !ion3 |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | !info ion3 |
| 00:50.15 | stew | fortysixand2: this is replacing a t23, which replaced a broken t30 that replaced an a30 that replaced a t21... |
| 00:50.25 | dpkg | ion3: (keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows (devel)), section x11, is extra. Version: 20050625-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1276 kB, Installed size: 3344 kB |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | stew: stop abusing your laptops |
| 00:50.32 | FlimFlamMan | vali, i'd like to convert the /boot partition on an existing dual-boot system so that i can change the default os remotely. ie, i can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst from windows as well as linux |
| 00:50.32 | stew | abrotman: nothing around here is brown and smelly |
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| 00:50.51 | stew | abrotman: ...600x 600x 600e 770z 770x... |
| 00:51.08 | stew | abrotman: i don't abuse them nearly as much as my wife does at least |
| 00:51.13 | maher | stew: cinnamon? |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | stew: G40 :) |
| 00:51.26 | stew | maher: yeah but its in airtight jars |
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| 00:51.36 | stew | abrotman: i've been told not to bother with the G or R series |
| 00:51.55 | stew | abrotman: aren't they all celerons? is that what you have? |
| 00:51.58 | fortysixand2 | I wish IBM sold AMD. I would have gotten one |
| 00:52.04 | maher | stew: does cinnamon smell if you can't smell it? |
| 00:52.20 | stew | maher: there is no god |
| 00:52.47 | FlimFlamMan | vali, do you think that would work? |
| 00:52.50 | maher | stew: if god didn't keep looking at the back of your head your brains would fall out |
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| 00:53.07 | abrotman | stew: full P4 .. 768MB .. builtin WiFi .. |
| 00:53.14 | abrotman | stew: P4 2.4Ghz |
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| 00:53.23 | vali | FlimFlamMan: i think it works (i tried the kernel image in a windows partition with lilo and it worked), but dont use passwords ;) |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | stew: and it is a wee bit heavy(almost 8lbs) .. but i don't travel with it .. so i don't care |
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| 00:53.37 | FlimFlamMan | vali, ok, i'll try it :-) |
| 00:53.38 | Randall64 | heh, so in debian, if you need to manually fsck, you're s.o.l. because no kbd driver has been loaded yet |
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| 00:53.54 | abrotman | stew: and everything works in linux .. even the TP buttons and the winmodem |
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| 00:54.33 | abrotman | Randall64: um .. no |
| 00:54.41 | abrotman | Randall64: is your kb usb? |
| 00:55.01 | Randall64 | abrotman: um, yes (to both) |
| 00:55.04 | stew | abrotman: sounds good. yea that's why i had an a30, i never go anywhere so who cares how heavy it is |
| 00:55.36 | stew | abrotman: is the winmodem in these things still the mwave or whatever it was? |
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| 00:55.50 | stew | guess not |
| 00:55.55 | stew | mine says intel |
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| 00:57.21 | fortysixand2 | when I plug a USB mouse into my laptop, it will not work. The trackpad still works, but the mouse won't. Any tips? |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | stew: 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) |
| 00:57.43 | abrotman | Randall64: that's probably why |
| 00:57.57 | stew | abrotman: exactly the same here. a winmodem, huh? /me shakes his head in disgust at intel |
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| 00:58.16 | Randall64 | abrotman: err, thanks! |
| 00:58.23 | abrotman | stew: it's a laptop .. only so much room |
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| 00:59.39 | Lanz | Hey guys, how do I get Debian to see my mic? |
| 00:59.46 | abrotman | turn up the level |
| 00:59.50 | Lanz | ;D |
| 00:59.55 | Lanz | Tried that hehe. |
| 01:00.03 | Lanz | Teamspeak says the mic is muted. |
| 01:00.04 | Lanz | Its not. |
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| 01:00.21 | Lanz | Isn't there some way to enable it or check its status? |
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| 01:00.47 | SDFH_Linux | i know this is a silly question but should i bother trying to install testing netinstall on a test computer? |
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| 01:01.01 | maher | Lanz: aumix? |
| 01:01.08 | rixth_ | luminerd, I'm back now. |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | or alsamixer |
| 01:01.16 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I wouldn't bother... just install sarge and then upgrade to testing if you want it |
| 01:01.24 | PerfDave | SDFH_Linux: I think the testing netinstall images are broken currently. |
| 01:01.29 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:01.35 | SDFH_Linux | guys how big is gnome? |
| 01:01.41 | stew | SDFH_Linux: the etch d-i has been sketchy (excuse the pun) |
| 01:01.46 | rixth_ | SDFH_Linux, around 60mb |
| 01:01.52 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:01.53 | Wyzard | No, bigger than that |
| 01:01.56 | rixth_ | Thats a stock install though. |
| 01:02.05 | SDFH_Linux | how big the is gnome |
| 01:02.05 | Wyzard | Depends on whether you install gnome-desktop-environment or just gnome-core, I guess |
| 01:02.11 | SDFH_Linux | the environment |
| 01:02.12 | Wyzard | I think gnome-desktop-environment is over 100MB |
| 01:02.15 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 01:02.16 | Wyzard | but I'm not entirely sure |
| 01:02.21 | rixth_ | Wyzard, better than KDE :) What's that, like 210? |
| 01:02.27 | Wyzard | Try it and see how much apt says it has to download :-) |
| 01:02.34 | SDFH_Linux | i had a hd die on me today which was old and had to put a 2.5gb hd on this |
| 01:02.43 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 01:02.46 | SDFH_Linux | well not this butother puter |
| 01:02.53 | PerfDave | kde-core isn't too bad :) |
| 01:02.57 | rixth_ | 2.5?! That must be ten eyars old! |
| 01:03.04 | Wyzard | Well, I'm installing a fresh copy of sarge on a test system right now, so in a little while I'll be able to check for you, if you can't do it yourself at the moment |
| 01:03.28 | nvz | its around 65-70MB download I would say and about 210-250mb installed size for gnome |
| 01:03.35 | nvz | would be my estimate |
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| 01:04.06 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 01:04.08 | SDFH_Linux | cool |
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| 01:04.31 | stew | Need to get 95.0MB of archives. After unpacking 318MB of additional disk space will be used. <- what my etch system tells me |
| 01:04.40 | stew | (for apt-get install gnome) |
| 01:04.47 | jan_ | thats possible ... |
| 01:04.52 | SDFH_Linux | ok thanks |
| 01:05.05 | stew | i think i already pulled nautilus down |
| 01:05.07 | SDFH_Linux | so everyone heard of the new windows name |
| 01:05.08 | stew | yes |
| 01:05.08 | nvz | well I have gdm, Xfree, nautilus.. a few other pieces of gnome here and there installed already |
| 01:05.48 | kingsley_ | If an email's encoded attachment is cut and pasted into its own file, which command will decode it? |
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| 01:05.55 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 01:06.19 | jazzanova | i am having trouble getting grub to boot my win2k partition on hd(0,2). |
| 01:06.29 | humbolt | any french or french canadians here? |
| 01:06.37 | Wyzard | jazzanova: rootnoverify (hd0,2) |
| 01:06.39 | nvz | seriously. Computers unlike houses, need no fences or walls... so who needs gates and windows? |
| 01:06.41 | Wyzard | jazzanova: chainloader +1 |
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| 01:06.45 | a1fa | what is chpst part of? what package? |
| 01:06.49 | a1fa | ~chpst |
| 01:06.49 | PerfDave | kingsley_: That depends on how it was encoded :) |
| 01:06.55 | stew | a1fa: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:07.21 | a1fa | no returns |
| 01:07.23 | kingsley_ | PerfDave: "base64". |
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| 01:07.32 | jazzanova | wyzard: i am using the map command to fake the partition order |
| 01:07.40 | a1fa | dpkg u suck |
| 01:07.40 | dpkg | from memory, suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 01:08.12 | nvz | a1fa: you suck |
| 01:08.16 | a1fa | :) |
| 01:08.17 | stew | kingsley_: metamail has a usefull util for base64 attachments |
| 01:08.20 | a1fa | from time to time |
| 01:08.21 | a1fa | i do |
| 01:08.21 | PerfDave | kingsley_: apt-cache search base64 |
| 01:08.21 | Wyzard | jazzanova: If you want to swap the first two drives, it's "map (hd0) (hd1)" and "map (hd1) (hd0)" |
| 01:08.30 | nvz | a1fa: you were only suppose to type /msg dpkg search |
| 01:08.37 | nvz | not add your two sense in :P |
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| 01:08.38 | Wyzard | jazzanova: "rootnoverify" should still refer to hd1 though, not hd0 |
| 01:08.43 | jazzanova | wyzard: its the same drive, but the partition is the 3rd partition. |
| 01:08.54 | kingsley_ | PerfDave: Thanks. |
| 01:08.57 | kerneld | Hmm. Anyone come across an X install where the input locks up? Keyboard dead, mouse dead, but display is still alive? This is a fresh sarge with an i810 |
| 01:09.01 | Wyzard | jazzanova: oh... sorry, I misunderstood you |
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| 01:09.19 | Wyzard | jazzanova: I think modern Windows (2K, XP, 2K3) is fine with booting from partitions other than the first |
| 01:09.22 | kerneld | No errors logged |
| 01:09.39 | jazzanova | wyzard: oh, i see. |
| 01:09.49 | Wyzard | jazzanova: *maybe* not if the preceding partitions are ones that it understands (FAT32 or NTFS), but definitely if they're something it doesn't understand like ext3 |
| 01:09.54 | nvz | wtf is Win 2k3? |
| 01:09.59 | Wyzard | nvz: Windows Server 2003 |
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| 01:10.17 | nvz | I wonder if that is what we have at work.. I thought its said WS2000 |
| 01:10.27 | a1fa | ~runit |
| 01:10.28 | stew | kingsley_: no, its uudeview |
| 01:10.33 | stew | kingsley_: try that program |
| 01:10.37 | jazzanova | wyzard: so how should i do it, root (hd0,2) and just chainloader +1 ? |
| 01:10.48 | Wyzard | jazzanova: Should work |
| 01:11.44 | jazzanova | after i update grub menu, i don't need to run any commands, right ? |
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| 01:12.03 | Wyzard | jazzanova: right |
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| 01:14.07 | jazzanova | great, it worked |
| 01:14.12 | kerneld | Hmmm odd. Reboot fixes it. I hate those kind of bugs |
| 01:14.35 | jazzanova | next is co-linux installation that will reuse my linux partition :) |
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| 01:14.46 | gin_ | how can i install a file .deb ? |
| 01:14.57 | nvz | gin_: dpkg -i |
| 01:15.05 | gin_ | right ty |
| 01:15.20 | a1fa | anybody worked with HORDE on debian? |
| 01:15.39 | mith | horde sucks |
| 01:15.40 | mith | a lot |
| 01:16.15 | a1fa | ok |
| 01:16.18 | a1fa | apt-get remove horde |
| 01:16.18 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Fresh sarge system, nothing installed but the standard packages... "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" says 114MB to download, 382MB unpacked |
| 01:16.19 | a1fa | :) |
| 01:16.21 | jazzanova | how can permanently set my console keyboard to dvorak ? |
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| 01:16.33 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:16.48 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: gnome-core is 62MB to download, 229MB unpacked |
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| 01:17.14 | a1fa | what would be a good webmail imap ? |
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| 01:17.39 | maher | a1fa: i use courier |
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| 01:17.54 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: For comparison, "kde" is 222/620 (!!) and "kde-core" is 63/179 |
| 01:17.54 | november | how come i cant play audio from 2 different programs at once? |
| 01:17.57 | a1fa | will it work with bincimap? |
| 01:18.17 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 01:18.49 | maher | november: maybe you need an audio mixer program |
| 01:19.11 | PerfDave | november: Because your soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing, and you're not either using a software sound daemon like ESD or aRts, or (preferably) ALSA with a dmix file. |
| 01:19.25 | FlimFlamMan | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib <-- is that right for etch? |
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| 01:19.33 | november | hrm |
| 01:19.36 | november | i think it's using ODD |
| 01:19.38 | november | OSS |
| 01:19.48 | PerfDave | november: OSS, or ALSA's OSS emulation? |
| 01:19.52 | november | whatever sarge does by default |
| 01:20.07 | PerfDave | november: Sarge doesn't do anything by default ;) |
| 01:20.11 | PerfDave | november: lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 01:20.14 | maher | november: are you running either gnome or kde? |
| 01:20.20 | november | flux |
| 01:20.43 | PerfDave | november: Does that lsmod thing give you any output? |
| 01:20.44 | maher | november: if your sound card won't mix pick one of arts or esd at random... |
| 01:21.03 | november | PerfDave nah nothing |
| 01:21.14 | PerfDave | november: Then you're using pure OSS. I take it you're using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:21.23 | november | yeah i havent updated the kernel yet |
| 01:21.30 | november | i migrated from slackware |
| 01:21.33 | PerfDave | november: Install a 2.6 kernel. That might fix it on its own. |
| 01:21.42 | november | so everything is alittle different |
| 01:22.01 | november | should i just aptget a new kernel? |
| 01:22.08 | PerfDave | november: Yes, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 01:22.47 | PerfDave | november: If that doesn't fix it, google for "debian dmix" and find out how to set up an asound.conf with dmix, ALSA's built-in software mixing. |
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| 01:23.04 | november | cool |
| 01:23.09 | november | thanks guys |
| 01:23.26 | PerfDave | You know, one of these days I'm going to follow my own advice on dmix ;) |
| 01:23.32 | november | hah |
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| 01:26.47 | november | do most people apt-get kernels, or do it by hand |
| 01:27.00 | november | because im not used to all this package stuff |
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| 01:28.42 | wishie | november: i make mine from kernel.org sources still, i dont use the apt debian kernels. |
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| 01:29.03 | PerfDave | november: I have no idea what "most people" do - but Debian kernels are good enough for 99.9% of situations. I never use anything else. |
| 01:29.03 | jim | november: you can do both simultaneously if you want; you configure how you want then you tell a script to build the kernel and package the result |
| 01:29.12 | tety | alfrede |
| 01:29.19 | windowmaker | hey, i've got a problem with some games... when i try to run any games with cedega with pthreads, they don't work, but if i select not to use pthreads, it works, and also americas army doesn't work anymore either |
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| 01:29.23 | PerfDave | november: The main advantage is that if you're running the Stable release, you get security updates to your kernels automagically. |
| 01:29.30 | PerfDave | windowmaker: Ask Cedega support. |
| 01:30.02 | windowmaker | PerfDave: but i haven't paid for it, i got it off a friend |
| 01:30.09 | november | that's cool |
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| 01:30.18 | windowmaker | PerfDave: and americas army is native to linux |
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| 01:30.24 | november | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 01:30.29 | PerfDave | windowmaker: Then you're a filthy fucking pirate and deserve everything you get. |
| 01:30.30 | november | that sounds like a good one? |
| 01:30.37 | PerfDave | november: That'll do :) |
| 01:30.39 | windowmaker | PerfDave: lol |
| 01:30.55 | november | cool :) |
| 01:30.59 | jim | it is true; in the past, some install kernels didn't have this or that and it was always the suggestion to rebuild the kernel... but ever since debian could do initrd, it started to release kernels that had absolutely everything that could be, built as modules |
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| 01:31.20 | windowmaker | PerfDave: am i still a pirate if my friend forced me with a very sharp knife to use cedega? |
| 01:31.32 | PerfDave | windowmaker: Yes |
| 01:32.11 | The_Vulture | PerfDave: How is one a pirate if one uses Cedega? it's perfectly legal to download it from CVS and build it without paying anything.. if I'm not mistaken. - though I guess he did say he "got it" rather than built it. |
| 01:32.13 | windowmaker | PerfDave: so you would rather get stabbed to death then use pirated software? because the penalty for that kind of stuff isn't death in my country, is it in yours? |
| 01:32.23 | PerfDave | windowmaker: Oh, grow up. |
| 01:32.39 | windowmaker | The_Vulture: yeah, i didn't build it myself, i got the .deb from a friend |
| 01:32.45 | Aclipse | Hi I'm was trying to find out what the URL for the Official complete debian repository and I can't find it despite some fairly extensive searching with google |
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| 01:32.59 | jim | even ext2, all the ide drivers and the vfs code (well, maybe) is built as modules... when a debian kernel package is installed, it figures out how to mount root, and once it knows, it writes an initrd image with the modules necessary to mount root |
| 01:32.59 | The_Vulture | windowmaker: then yer a bad person and should die in agony :) |
| 01:33.11 | jasoncohen | i added ivtv, btaudio, and bttv to /etc/modules in that order. when i boot up bttv isn't loaded |
| 01:33.11 | windowmaker | PerfDave: no, you grow up... you seem like one of those "oh i'm so mature, and i dont' fart either despite the fact that it's human and healthy to fart" people |
| 01:33.16 | jasoncohen | when i try to load it i get this error: |
| 01:33.19 | jasoncohen | bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read |
| 01:33.19 | jasoncohen | bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog |
| 01:33.26 | PerfDave | Aclipse: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 01:33.29 | PerfDave | windowmaker: *plonk* |
| 01:33.35 | Aclipse | PerfDave: Ta |
| 01:33.36 | jasoncohen | if i rmmod tveeprom |
| 01:33.42 | jasoncohen | and then modprobe bttv it works...what's causing this? |
| 01:34.17 | jim | the sound of an ignore list getting bigger... plonk... |
| 01:34.20 | windowmaker | PerfDave: okay okay, lets forget about cedega, but about americas army, i own that legally, any suggestions? |
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| 01:34.48 | nvz | windowmaker: I think you missed the memo, that you've been ignored |
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| 01:35.00 | windowmaker | nvz: i see..... |
| 01:35.02 | nvz | windowmaker: /msg dpkg plonk |
| 01:35.35 | PerfDave | jim: Yeah, I'm learning to filter out retards. It's good for my blood pressure ;) |
| 01:35.40 | windowmaker | i see |
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| 01:36.57 | hall | hi |
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| 01:37.29 | quiet | anyone using vmware workstation under testing? (4.5 or 5) |
| 01:37.34 | jim | filtard! |
| 01:37.56 | hall | in what package are the lvm utilities ? like vgscan and such |
| 01:38.02 | jim | * filtard :Unknown command |
| 01:38.03 | hall | please |
| 01:38.05 | PerfDave | hall: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:38.33 | hall | ok |
| 01:39.11 | jim | hall: those may be installed already... debian installs now allow for the possibility of creating and installing onto lvm PVs, VGs and LVs |
| 01:39.59 | hall | jim actually i'm running knoppix and i just did apt-get install lvm2 and i was wondering.. |
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| 01:40.41 | TTimo | hu ho |
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| 01:40.53 | jim | hi he |
| 01:40.57 | TTimo | what's up with GPG signatures invalid on ftp.us.debian.org ? |
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| 01:41.14 | jasoncohen | how do i get info on a loaded module to find out where it's being loaded from |
| 01:41.52 | jim | jasoncohen: it's probably being loaded from france... |
| 01:41.59 | quiet | lol |
| 01:42.04 | jasoncohen | the location on the HD... |
| 01:42.18 | jim | france isn't on the HD?! |
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| 01:42.34 | jim | seriously... |
| 01:42.36 | paster | "TTimo" at 68.165.10.205 pasted "GPG" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/385 |
| 01:42.49 | jim | maybe you could run lsof? |
| 01:43.08 | Aclipse | PerfDave: dam it all what is the line that I would put in to the source's file to get the main debian repository? |
| 01:43.20 | jim | perhaps a module file is considered open while its code is loaded? exept that doesn |
| 01:43.24 | jim | t make sense |
| 01:43.32 | cddesjar | deb-src |
| 01:43.33 | quiet | Aclipse, run apt-setup |
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| 01:43.59 | cwood | you mean kernel modules? They're in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ and below. |
| 01:44.14 | hall | hm, it was already installed but not in my PATH |
| 01:44.15 | hall | .. |
| 01:44.32 | jim | hall: so it's probably in root's path |
| 01:44.40 | jasoncohen | jim, there are two versions of tveeprom available |
| 01:44.44 | jasoncohen | i want to know which is being loaded |
| 01:44.56 | cddesjar | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main |
| 01:44.59 | november | ok i got the new kernel up |
| 01:44.59 | hall | jim: i'm root |
| 01:45.09 | hall | should be in /sbin |
| 01:45.14 | jasoncohen | modinfo was the command |
| 01:45.19 | november | this is my sound card |
| 01:45.24 | hall | but it's in /lib/lvm-200 .. |
| 01:45.34 | november | Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 01:45.39 | jim | but does that show where it loads from? |
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| 01:45.50 | Aclipse | quiet: I'm using ubuntu and that just goes for the ubuntu repositories and I already know they don't have the file I want and I think they suck |
| 01:46.42 | quiet | Aclipse, oh.. okay.. use the above line.. add that one as well as the one that's just deb xxxx along with the deb-src xxxx |
| 01:46.53 | ufoalien | Ahhhh |
| 01:46.56 | ufoalien | I _knew_ it |
| 01:47.00 | ufoalien | always |
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| 01:47.07 | ufoalien | and nobody believed me! |
| 01:47.15 | cwood | Q: newraff and newsamosa are the update servers? I haven't noticed any new packages today. |
| 01:47.20 | quiet | if you want unstable, change stable to unstable... and maybe add acontrib, if you want.. |
| 01:47.23 | ufoalien | Avril Lavigne _is_ 1337!!!! |
| 01:47.26 | ufoalien | http://users.telenet.be/roeltjah/avril-lavigne-370-n24947.jpg |
| 01:47.31 | ufoalien | she's a open node! |
| 01:47.35 | quiet | if you only want a single file... just get it from the paclage database |
| 01:47.42 | cddesjar | !ubuntu |
| 01:47.42 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 01:48.01 | cddesjar | this isn't a ubuntu room Aclipse this is a debian room you should go to a ubuntu channel |
| 01:48.07 | deadcat | !ops ufoalien is trolling |
| 01:48.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ufoalien is trolling |
| 01:48.25 | ufoalien | deadcat: I'm always! |
| 01:48.35 | deadcat | i know |
| 01:48.35 | buu | I'm attempting to use apt-spy to benchmark debian mirrors to get the fastest one. I'm trying to use it like so: apt-spy -a North-America -o ~/new.list update; but when I run it it just says "updating... grabbing file. done", with no ~/new.list generated. Am I missing a command or what? |
| 01:48.40 | Aclipse | deadcat: I don't want the dam ubuntu room cause I wanted the debian repositories url not the dam ubuntu ones dammit |
| 01:48.40 | xoz | debian *room*, ubuntu *channel*? |
| 01:48.51 | ufoalien | dondelelcaro: hi! |
| 01:49.01 | cddesjar | sorry i ment debian channel ubuntu channel |
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| 01:49.04 | quiet | bush, why not use mirror-select? |
| 01:49.08 | deadcat | Aclipse: what the hell. you using ubuntu OR debian? pick one and stick to it |
| 01:49.24 | ufoalien | deadcat: you now, here it's 4a.m. and I can't sleep, so what will I do ;) |
| 01:49.31 | ufoalien | .oO(maybe shut up) |
| 01:49.31 | Wyzard | Aclipse: You can't use Debian repositories on Ubuntu |
| 01:49.39 | Wyzard | Aclipse: Some packages may work; others won't. It's a bad idea in general. |
| 01:49.40 | Aclipse | deadcat: I've set up a hole lot and now switching would be a nightmare |
| 01:49.43 | buu | quiet: Was that aimed at me? |
| 01:49.48 | quiet | yes, sorry |
| 01:49.49 | deadcat | ufoalien: thats nothing. its 6:49pm here and i aint bitching |
| 01:49.50 | Wyzard | Aclipse: If you want to run Debian, install Debian |
| 01:50.02 | deadcat | Aclipse: they you on your own. |
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| 01:50.11 | deadcat | and stop bitching like a whore |
| 01:50.17 | buu | quiet: Because um, I can't find a package named that? |
| 01:50.26 | concept10 | My sarge server crashes when I boot into XFCE, how do I switch run levels at boot ? |
| 01:50.35 | Wyzard | Aclipse: Much of the software packaged in Debian is also packaged for Ubuntu... if you can't find the package you want, make sure you have the universe and multiverse sources enabled |
| 01:50.44 | november | dammit, im still getting "OSS device /dev/dsp is already in use by another program" |
| 01:50.44 | Wyzard | Aclipse: but go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
| 01:50.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dude, just use /ignore... no need to be angry at someone. |
| 01:50.58 | Aclipse | Wyzard: If I had the choice I wouldn't use the dam precompiled .deb system I would be using emerge in gentoo |
| 01:50.58 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hahah. calm down |
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| 01:51.22 | Aclipse | Wyzard: thats the hole ffing point I don't want Ubuntu support |
| 01:51.30 | deadcat | concept10: get into single user mode and fix your problem |
| 01:51.38 | nerdy2 | you don't have a choice? about the distribution you use on your computer? |
| 01:51.41 | buu | quiet: Ahah, netselect-apt |
| 01:51.43 | Wyzard | Aclipse: Well, you'll have a hard time finding support anywhere (here or #ubuntu) for using Debian packages in Ubuntu |
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| 01:51.50 | quiet | buu, sorry... yeah |
| 01:51.53 | jasoncohen | how do you alter when a service starts on boot? |
| 01:51.54 | dondelelcaro | Aclipse: so why not just install Debian and be done with it? |
| 01:51.55 | concept10 | deadcat, thats my question. How do I boot into another run level |
| 01:51.55 | Aclipse | Wyzard: If I wanted ubuntu support I would have gone to #ubuntu |
| 01:52.01 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: with update-rc.d |
| 01:52.05 | Wyzard | Aclipse: It may work for some packages, but it's not at all supported |
| 01:52.08 | deadcat | jasoncohen: start mv'ing them in /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:52.20 | Aclipse | Wyzard: I don't want support either actually I just wanted a repository url |
| 01:52.28 | deadcat | concept10: at boot add single to the end of the kernel option line. |
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| 01:52.41 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, i'm looking at the man page for update-rc.d. what do i do to increase a services priority? |
| 01:52.45 | Wyzard | Aclipse: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 01:52.52 | Aclipse | Wyzard: And I'm not noob enough to be scared by the whole unsupported crap either |
| 01:53.05 | deadcat | concept10: you use grub? at the boot menu. press 'e', then add single to the end of the line, press escape, then press b |
| 01:53.08 | Wyzard | Aclipse: Sorry; I hadn't seen your original question, and just saw you saying you wanted to use Debian packages in Ubuntu :-) |
| 01:53.13 | zinx | Aclipse: actually, that means your *more* newbie. |
| 01:53.32 | Aclipse | zinx: why |
| 01:53.40 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: update-rc.d name start NN 2 3 4 5 . stop NN 1 6; or similar. |
| 01:53.41 | Wyzard | zinx: Not necessarily... it's similar to being willing to run unstable; some people actually are competent |
| 01:53.45 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, the default sequence code is 20. is a lower sequence code higher or lower priority (earlier or later) |
| 01:53.58 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: lower is earlier. |
| 01:54.02 | zinx | Wyzard: you should not run unstable if you're not afraid of things being broken :P |
| 01:54.06 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg runlevels; |
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| 01:54.14 | jim | Aclipse: cool... so the bts will be your first contact pretty often, ay? |
| 01:54.27 | concept10 | deadcat, okay, thanks. I wonder what the problem is, the box works fine as a server but crashes when in gnome, or xfce 4.2, especially when I launch xmms it just freezes |
| 01:54.28 | zinx | Wyzard: because that just means you've never had anything broken before :P |
| 01:54.47 | xoz | Aclipse: ubuntu and debian versioning is not compatible. since upgrading compares version info of packages, do the logic... got it? or still computing... |
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| 01:55.00 | Wyzard | zinx: On the other hand, I've been running unstable for nearly 5 years, I've had plenty of things break, and I still choose to run it |
| 01:55.03 | dqq | hi.. |
| 01:55.09 | dqq | i have a little |
| 01:55.09 | dondelelcaro | yeesh drop the ubuntu stuff already. |
| 01:55.12 | dqq | question.... |
| 01:55.21 | dondelelcaro | dqq: just ask it, and please don't overuse the enter key. |
| 01:55.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: use /ignore (= |
| 01:55.29 | jim | tie a little question round the old oak tree... |
| 01:55.35 | dqq | i downloaded the debian netinstal |
| 01:55.41 | dqq | but i dont have a cdrw |
| 01:55.44 | dqq | how i can |
| 01:55.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: when I reach for ignore, it's global... |
| 01:55.47 | quiet | lol |
| 01:55.49 | dqq | boot |
| 01:55.51 | deadcat | dqq: DONT use the damn enter key too much |
| 01:55.58 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:56.05 | dqq | ok :P anyone answer it ? |
| 01:56.05 | Wyzard | dqq: You can use floppies or a USB drive to boot the installer |
| 01:56.07 | jim | bo |
| 01:56.09 | Aclipse | holy f*** you guys just don't get it do you. read back a little to see where it first started and get the whole picture before you start lecturing me on Ubuntu/Debian appy systems |
| 01:56.10 | jim | ot? |
| 01:56.13 | deadcat | dqq: i wont |
| 01:56.26 | dondelelcaro | Aclipse: just ask your question again please, and drop the ubuntu half of the issue. |
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| 01:56.44 | liable | Aclipse: you were given the line, use it and be happy. |
| 01:56.51 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 01:56.59 | Wyzard | Aclipse: I mentioned a few minutes ago that I missed your original question, and assumed you were a newbie who didn't know that what you wanted was unsupported, because many people who ask such things here are exactly that |
| 01:57.13 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, i wrote a script to remove tveeprom and load bttv but i need it to run before mythbackend starts or else mythbackend won't be able to record |
| 01:57.15 | Wyzard | Aclipse: Once you made it clear that you understand what you're doing, I gave you a succinct answer |
| 01:57.15 | Venson | Hey all, what's the default apache conf file (httpd.conf) under Debian? Afaict, lots of users seem not to find this. Is it apache2.conf ? |
| 01:57.28 | xoz | 10:49 < Wyzard> Aclipse: Some packages may work; others won't. It's a bad idea in |
| 01:57.32 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.34 | xoz | 10:49 < Aclipse> deadcat: I've set up a hole lot and now switching would be a |
| 01:57.36 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:57.42 | jim | Venson: it's a default... |
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| 01:57.45 | cwood | venson: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 01:57.46 | Aclipse | Sorry Wyzard that last comment wasn't aimed at you |
| 01:57.52 | jim | it's for apache... |
| 01:57.54 | Venson | ok |
| 01:58.00 | jim | and it's a config file! |
| 01:58.02 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: ah... why not just slap that in right before you run the mythbackend? |
| 01:58.12 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: you can edit the mythbackend init.d script |
| 01:58.17 | Aclipse | Wyzard: thanks the line you gave me worked a treat |
| 01:58.21 | The_Vulture | Venson: /etc/apache2/* |
| 01:58.29 | jim | seriously, whatdoyou-mean- what is it? |
| 01:58.30 | The_Vulture | Venson: there are several files, all modular-like |
| 01:58.34 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, hmm, i should have done that |
| 01:58.38 | Venson | The_Vulture: i see |
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| 01:58.52 | Wyzard | In other news... sweet! Encrypted-root-on-LVM works flawlessly in sarge |
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| 01:59.03 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, but this worked too |
| 01:59.06 | Withdraw_ | what was that command to find where all my firmware iles are |
| 01:59.07 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: sure. |
| 01:59.24 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: there are a bunch of different ways that you can do what you're trying to do. |
| 01:59.25 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, and this way i can just turn it off when i don't want it- it is only needed for 2.6.11 |
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| 01:59.52 | jasoncohen | hopefully this will be the end to my kernel page faults which i got in mandrake 10.1 and debian sarge- 2.6.8 problem i believe |
| 02:00.00 | jasoncohen | causes a hard lockup every week or so |
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| 02:00.31 | Atula | !faq |
| 02:00.32 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 02:01.24 | zdennis | soooo....hello everyone |
| 02:01.38 | Wyzard | zdennis: You don't need to say hello to a channel of over 700 people :-) |
| 02:02.00 | Wyzard | (but hello in return) |
| 02:02.03 | zdennis | necessity isn't what drives me =) |
| 02:02.21 | zdennis | for a room of 700+ people, you'd think the chatter would be more |
| 02:02.28 | TheAsp | shh |
| 02:02.31 | TheAsp | we are trying to idle |
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| 02:02.41 | OldakQuill | I cannot get non-English scripts to display in Firefox - I have UTF-8 enabled for all interfaces |
| 02:02.48 | luminerd | XD |
| 02:02.56 | Wyzard | OldakQuill: Do you have fonts installed for the scripts you're trying to display? |
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| 02:03.09 | OldakQuill | I believe so - xfonts, right? |
| 02:03.31 | cwood | Make your font life simpler, install every package you can find. ;) |
| 02:03.34 | Wyzard | OldakQuill: I think you need more than just the standard basic font packages |
| 02:03.49 | Wyzard | OldakQuill: I don't have much experience with that though |
| 02:04.23 | OldakQuill | I am trying to view IPA, have installed xfonts-intl-phonetic |
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| 02:04.48 | cwood | My easy fix to not having fonts was: apt-get install `apt-cache search xfonts | grep xfonts | awk '{print $1}'` |
| 02:05.08 | a1fa | anybody got courier-imap to work with authvchkpw |
| 02:05.08 | a1fa | ? |
| 02:05.59 | OldakQuill | '{print $1}'` |
| 02:06.00 | OldakQuill | ? |
| 02:06.09 | deadcat | OldakQuill: man awk |
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| 02:06.31 | buu | Hrm. Is there anyway to change a server's host name after it's been installed? |
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| 02:06.49 | deadcat | buu: grep -r `hostname` /etc/* find and change all |
| 02:07.06 | cwood | just prints the first column in the package list, so that you only try to install the package names, not the descriptions |
| 02:07.12 | WALoeIII | I need to change the hostname for a stable box that I'm running the LAMP stack on, what files do I need to change besides httpd.conf and /etc/hostname |
| 02:07.19 | WALoeIII | does mysql care what the hostname is? |
| 02:07.24 | rixth_ | How can I set my box up with a static IP? At the moment it's assigned by DHCP |
| 02:07.35 | Wyzard | rixth_: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:07.38 | Wyzard | rixth_: man interfaces |
| 02:07.39 | deadcat | rixth_: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:07.42 | maher | rixth_: use etherconf or edit ^^ |
| 02:07.50 | rixth_ | Okay, thanks! |
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| 02:08.46 | WALoeIII | deadcat: did buu just ask the same question I did? I just joined channel |
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| 02:09.06 | deadcat | WALoeIII: he asked how to change the hostname after installed |
| 02:09.14 | WALoeIII | yeah thats my same question |
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| 02:09.30 | deadcat | !hostname |
| 02:09.31 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist |
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| 02:10.42 | deadcat | how can i make firefox to open a file.sh (shell script) within firefox instead of trying to open using another software? |
| 02:10.45 | WALoeIII | what should /etc/hosts be? |
| 02:10.47 | a1fa | authdaemon: TEMPFAIL - no more modules will be tried with courrier-imap? |
| 02:10.54 | WALoeIII | 127.0.0.1 changeme localhost |
| 02:10.54 | WALoeIII | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.07 | WALoeIII | thats my /etc/hosts should I change that to the ip and domain that is pointing ot the machine? |
| 02:11.17 | concept10 | is there anyway to install sarge with the hostap drivers loaded by default? so I can do a netintall by wireless |
| 02:11.27 | zdennis | WAL, what is your problem? |
| 02:11.36 | zdennis | you can't resolve a host or domain name? |
| 02:11.37 | WALoeIII | need ot change hostname systemwide |
| 02:12.08 | cwood | /etc/hosts is usually just a stub file providing basic hostname resolution for when you don't have a dns server. Your server will need to look up its own name by name or number, so it's best to have your own informtion in there. |
| 02:12.20 | deadcat | concept10: you can use orinoco, which works with prism cards |
| 02:12.20 | zdennis | WAL, run the command "hostname mynewhostname" |
| 02:12.45 | WALoeIII | yeah I've done that |
| 02:12.50 | concept10 | deadcat, will it install and configure automagically? |
| 02:12.55 | WALoeIII | and changed /etc/hostname |
| 02:12.59 | WALoeIII | do I need anything special in /etc/hosts |
| 02:13.01 | WALoeIII | ? |
| 02:13.06 | zdennis | WAL, no |
| 02:13.09 | deadcat | concept10: orinoco comes with default kernel. |
| 02:13.12 | Atula | oh man.... freebsd is a bitch to install.... nothing like debian.... |
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| 02:13.17 | deadcat | !tell WALoeIII about enter |
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| 02:13.46 | Atula | !spoonfeed Atula |
| 02:13.46 | angy17 | hi..im new.. who can help me to install debian os? .. can i download only first CD? |
| 02:13.46 | dpkg | Silly Atula, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 02:13.59 | deadcat | angy17: i cant. |
| 02:14.03 | Atula | angy17: um, try the netinstall CD |
| 02:14.12 | deadcat | angy17: you want the netinstall cd. like 43MB |
| 02:14.15 | Atula | angy17: read about the subject a bit |
| 02:14.56 | angy17 | so i must download first cd and netinstall too? |
| 02:15.05 | deadcat | angy17: just the netinstall |
| 02:15.09 | cwood | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual <--- install manual, read until your eyes bleed |
| 02:15.15 | Atula | angy17: make sure you have a good internet connection for the netinstall CD.... it should be pretty straight forward... but read a bit about the partitioning scheme and get the gist of linux filesystem... or not... |
| 02:15.51 | angy17 | so if i will download it.. it will recognize my pc... |
| 02:15.57 | Atula | yeah |
| 02:16.12 | angy17 | will be delete what i have on my HD? |
| 02:16.13 | Atula | uh... |
| 02:16.17 | dondelelcaro | it will recognize it... but will it shun it? |
| 02:16.18 | deadcat | angy17: recognize your pc? i doubt it. they never met before |
| 02:16.38 | cwood | You really, really might want to read and increase your comfort level with the procedure before trying to install Debian. :) |
| 02:16.44 | Atula | dude..... go read about it... |
| 02:16.50 | angy17 | im italian |
| 02:16.58 | deadcat | angy17: so? |
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| 02:17.07 | deadcat | you dont get special priv. |
| 02:17.09 | angy17 | give me an italian manual:P |
| 02:17.18 | deadcat | angy17: find it yourself. |
| 02:17.31 | angy17 | i guess u have it... |
| 02:17.33 | Atula | angy17: Debian speaks 0s and 1s |
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| 02:17.37 | deadcat | angy17: no |
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| 02:17.43 | Atula | haha |
| 02:17.47 | angy17 | ok... |
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| 02:17.53 | rixth_ | Is SSH port 22 or 23? |
| 02:17.56 | Atula | this is what's going to take your voice away my friend.... |
| 02:17.59 | cwood | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 ? Manuale d'installazione --> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual.it.html |
| 02:17.59 | deadcat | rixth_: 222 |
| 02:18.00 | Atula | 22 |
| 02:18.10 | deadcat | rixth_: but you can change it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 02:18.19 | angy17 | thnx cwood |
| 02:18.20 | Atula | yeah.... I have it on something else |
| 02:19.06 | Atula | rixth_: um, not sure if you know.... it was kind of a silly/tricky thing for me... but when you ssh in..... for port you do this: ssh -p 1234 name@host |
| 02:19.26 | Atula | damn man! |
| 02:19.29 | Atula | I hate the man |
| 02:19.41 | Atula | I wish there's an audio or interaction version of man. |
| 02:19.46 | jim | which man? |
| 02:19.48 | deadcat | Atula: that wasnt a question. |
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| 02:20.02 | Atula | oooo.... so I don't have to answer? |
| 02:20.05 | maher | Atula: try woman |
| 02:20.08 | Atula | I was going to call my lawyer first |
| 02:20.17 | deadcat | Atula: call now |
| 02:20.35 | Atula | woman is woh! man.... |
| 02:20.41 | Atula | it's an impressive man |
| 02:21.13 | Atula | ah that was cheesy.... throw me on a burger and we'll make our italian friend angy17 has his first heart attack |
| 02:21.33 | angy17 | ...:| |
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| 02:21.45 | Atula | dang.... he understands english |
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| 02:21.58 | Atula | no abla italiano? |
| 02:22.08 | angy17 | yeah i can |
| 02:22.11 | angy17 | i can both |
| 02:22.14 | Atula | mama, me penit! |
| 02:22.19 | redtime | oh my god :] |
| 02:22.22 | Atula | angy17: you go both ways? |
| 02:22.41 | angy17 | both languages |
| 02:22.54 | Atula | sure.... if that's the term for it now a day |
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| 02:23.24 | Atula | anyways... I have to take care of my work place's servers..... apache/vsftpd/samba/rfb |
| 02:23.30 | jim | Atula: seriously... learning to read man pages is not easy... but doing it over and over again (especially learning to understand the synopsis section) is very helpful |
| 02:24.00 | jim | ok :) good enough :) take care of them :) |
| 02:24.21 | Atula | jim: I read the man page... it's just sometimes.... it's extremely annoying.... but I guess there's xman |
| 02:24.25 | Atula | ooooo Xmen! |
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| 02:25.04 | Atula | bsd is weird |
| 02:25.16 | deadcat | Atula: #bsd |
| 02:25.25 | Atula | ssssh! I got it... |
| 02:25.35 | deadcat | you sshhh |
| 02:25.42 | november | ok im still stuck |
| 02:25.46 | november | i installed alsa |
| 02:25.49 | Wyzard | OK, I'm looking for someone who uses apt-proxy... my Debian repository backends are working fine, but I'm trying to add a source for marillat, and "apt-get update" gets a 503 Service Unavailable... according to apt-proxy's log, it's trying to look up the repository's name ("marillat") in DNS and, of course, failing |
| 02:25.50 | november | and 2.6 kernel |
| 02:25.59 | Atula | you gotta move on to December man |
| 02:26.02 | november | and i still cant have 2 apps play audio |
| 02:26.04 | november | heh |
| 02:26.12 | Atula | we're already onto July and august |
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| 02:26.23 | maher | Wyzard: you need to use the url |
| 02:26.25 | deadcat | november: some cards are not ment to do that.. |
| 02:26.35 | november | it's a dell |
| 02:26.39 | maher | november: did you try using either arts or esd |
| 02:26.40 | deadcat | so |
| 02:26.41 | november | onaboard |
| 02:26.43 | november | ac97 |
| 02:26.46 | Atula | november: um, old card? |
| 02:26.53 | november | intell chipset |
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| 02:27.12 | Wyzard | maher: I'm talking about the section name in apt-proxy-v2.conf... if I call it "[ marillat ]", apt-proxy tries to look up "marillat" |
| 02:27.13 | deadcat | november: intel/dell dont mean they are good quality |
| 02:27.24 | november | yeah i just meant it's fairly new |
| 02:27.25 | Wyzard | maher: I have a correct source URL on the "backends=" line under that section name |
| 02:27.51 | deadcat | november: new dont do you no good... you want "works" |
| 02:27.56 | jim | so far I've had good luck with dell... both refurbished too... very rugged so far |
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| 02:28.00 | november | yeah |
| 02:28.03 | jamalz | hello every one |
| 02:28.15 | jamalz | what do i need to do to get X server ? |
| 02:28.17 | maher | Wyzard: oh - sorry - i don't know about apt-proxy - i wasn't paying enough attention |
| 02:28.18 | november | it's weird i've never had this prob |
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| 02:28.32 | elkid | nice fag that linked on the topic :) |
| 02:28.37 | jim | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:28.40 | Atula | november: mplayer/xmms.... try and see if they got the correct audio card.... who knows |
| 02:28.46 | WiFiTux | is mit me or are the debian mirrors just dog slow? |
| 02:28.57 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: you've picked a bad mirror then. |
| 02:28.59 | deadcat | WiFiTux: /topic |
| 02:29.06 | november | yeah i set xmms to use also |
| 02:29.07 | jim | WiFiTux: are you MIT? |
| 02:29.11 | november | alsa |
| 02:29.32 | jamalz | and the basic gnome ? |
| 02:29.38 | Atula | jamalz: I like to do "apt-get install x-window-system, and then do and apt-get install favorite window manager (fluxbox)" |
| 02:29.44 | WiFiTux | jim: MIT? |
| 02:29.49 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: nop |
| 02:29.50 | jamalz | aha ok Atula |
| 02:29.53 | WiFiTux | deadcat: hhmm |
| 02:30.01 | jim | WiFiTux: you asked "is mit me" |
| 02:30.10 | jim | so I'm asking the same in reverse! |
| 02:30.13 | deadcat | jim: typo |
| 02:30.25 | concept10 | deadcat, what runlevel is multiuser cli only? |
| 02:30.29 | november | now that i installed oss should i remove OSS? |
| 02:30.30 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: uh... if the mirror is slow, you've chosen a bad mirror; I typically get 3-5MB/s. |
| 02:30.33 | Atula | jamalz: I don't think gnome is very clean.... it installs a whole bunch of crap along with the window manager |
| 02:30.40 | WiFiTux | jim: sorry, i did get confused with my college |
| 02:30.42 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: there are only a few hundred of the things |
| 02:30.48 | Atula | jamalz: you're going to have to remove them yourself.... which is kind of bitchy.... |
| 02:30.48 | deadcat | concept10: debian do everything on 2. if you dont want x. remove all the x shits or !nodm |
| 02:31.16 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: but since yesterday, it has be strangely working for me. |
| 02:31.26 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: switch mirrors then. |
| 02:31.27 | WiFiTux | hangs at 0% [Connecting to http.us.debian.org (208.185.25.35)] |
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| 02:31.43 | concept10 | deadcat, will apache and everything else run if I boot single? |
| 02:31.46 | deadcat | WiFiTux: just wait few days... i have the same problem. |
| 02:31.49 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: host 208.185.25.35; read /topic; and become enlightened. |
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| 02:31.58 | deadcat | concept10: check whats running on /etc/rc1.d |
| 02:32.02 | WiFiTux | deadcat: ok |
| 02:32.12 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: I got it now, yes. |
| 02:32.20 | WiFiTux | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/libice6_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] |
| 02:32.31 | dondelelcaro | again, pick a better mirror. |
| 02:32.32 | TheAsp | omg, panics |
| 02:32.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i use ftp.us.debian.org, whats the diff between ftp.us.debian.org and ftp.debian.org? |
| 02:32.35 | Wyzard | Atula: That "whole bunch of crap" is the rest of GNOME... GNOME is a desktop environment, not a window manager |
| 02:32.35 | TheAsp | :P |
| 02:32.47 | Atula | Wyzard: yeah.... |
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| 02:33.14 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: quite a bit...the latter only has two machines. I'd actually recommend using a closer mirror though... like linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
| 02:33.17 | Wyzard | Atula: You sound like you're criticizing GNOME for being a bloated window manager |
| 02:33.17 | Atula | Wyzard: I never like the way it install games..... |
| 02:33.22 | TheAsp | Atula: have you actually used that "whole bunch of crap"? |
| 02:33.27 | tractor | kernel.org seems to be working |
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| 02:33.48 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i also have berkeley. but i assume everything goes to debian.org then the rest sync up |
| 02:33.59 | Atula | TheAsp: not really.... I think I can get around with the xterm and config files and feel more comfortable |
| 02:34.00 | jim | Atula: yeah, kinda the same way it installs other packages... |
| 02:34.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes, but the mirror syncs are syncronized... they only lag a bit behind. |
| 02:34.23 | TheAsp | Atula: and that has what to do with a desktop environment? :) |
| 02:34.41 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: I just don't want to know this is my fault. if it is debians, then I don't care. I will wait. I have never seen Sid this broken before. |
| 02:34.57 | Atula | TheAsp: it's the mentality man.... I don't want to be reminded of Windows.... thats all... it makes me feel weak and my penis shrinks |
| 02:35.03 | Atula | I can't pee well either |
| 02:35.15 | jaylee7877 | OK, might be a dumb question but I'm trying to grab some Sid packages for the ARM arch. I'm looking at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-arm/ but there's nothing there, am I missing something? The netboot images are there but no packages... |
| 02:35.17 | Atula | just fluxbox and exterm |
| 02:35.17 | TheAsp | ok, let it remind you of macs and amigas then . . . |
| 02:35.20 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: it has nothing whatsoever to do with sid. It's just the mirrors. |
| 02:35.30 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: yep Ok. |
| 02:35.36 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: the mirrors are just machines. They move, they break, shit happens. |
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| 02:35.50 | dabaR | so, how do you guys make your debian run good? |
| 02:35.59 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: oh crap, i hope I could help with that. |
| 02:36.00 | TheAsp | dabaR: lots of lube |
| 02:36.01 | maher | jaylee7877: the packages tend to be in pool |
| 02:36.06 | Atula | dabaR: tsk tsk tsk use condom |
| 02:36.07 | dabaR | nice |
| 02:36.34 | jaylee7877 | maher: what does that mean? I don't recall seeing a pool directory |
| 02:36.35 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: there's no help needed. That bit is all under control... unless you happen to know someone who can ship faster than UPS or FedEx. |
| 02:37.01 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: what happened? If it is an Intel box, I could help. |
| 02:37.04 | deadcat | teleport |
| 02:37.13 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: read -d-d-a |
| 02:37.18 | WiFiTux | dda? |
| 02:37.26 | deadcat | WiFiTux: how can you help? you own shits? |
| 02:37.27 | dondelelcaro | and no, you can't help, because it has nothing to do with the machines. |
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| 02:37.35 | Atula | dabaR: not to insult you or anything... I find the section "managing packages" at the debian faq really helpful..... I like clean machine.... so it helps me a lot.... do this !faq |
| 02:37.39 | maher | jaylee7877: its under debian/ |
| 02:37.45 | dondelelcaro | (and even then, it's doubtfull if most people here could afford the hardware that is newraff and samosa) |
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| 02:38.00 | WiFiTux | deadcat: If it is an Intel part that broke, i could make it ship there as an RMA over night. YES. |
| 02:38.01 | deadcat | WiFiTux: no offense. but if you asking dondelelcaro about dda. you SHOULDNT help |
| 02:38.15 | dabaR | Atula: thats not really nice to insult me like that... |
| 02:38.27 | WiFiTux | deadcat: your lack of help makes the community look bad. |
| 02:38.34 | deadcat | amen |
| 02:38.41 | WiFiTux | brother |
| 02:38.53 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: no, the machines are just moving. Read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html |
| 02:39.02 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks! |
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| 02:39.29 | dondelelcaro | dabaR: what exactly is the issue that you're having? |
| 02:39.36 | dabaR | no, jj;) |
| 02:39.45 | Atula | dabaR: dude, I'm new to Debian... I don't feel insulted when people direct me to resources I can learn myself.... it's just that I don't want to be so spoiled by people spoonfeeding me.... gosh knows.... sometimes I tend to do that.... but I learn the same way.... besides... your question is vague... |
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| 02:40.03 | dabaR | haha, I was jj cause you said to insult me. |
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| 02:40.06 | deadcat | Atula: debian.org and read |
| 02:40.08 | jaylee7877 | maher: great, that helps, now I'm trying to build a Sid build environment within a chroot (machine is sarge). How can I find the basexxx.tgz for Sid? |
| 02:40.14 | dabaR | man jj |
| 02:40.17 | migma | hey guys, what's the best way to enable the scroll wheel? |
| 02:40.20 | dabaR | hah sorry, ill shut up |
| 02:40.25 | Jj | ? |
| 02:40.33 | deadcat | migma: config X |
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| 02:40.43 | maher | jaylee7877: why not use debootstrap to install unstable in the chroot? |
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| 02:41.07 | Atula | deadcat: fine, bitch! don't insult me.... haha sorry.... just a routine I usually do when people tell me about reosources... I struggle a little bit and then I lay back and ... you know... just accept it.... |
| 02:41.14 | Atula | deadcat: thank you sir, may I have another |
| 02:41.44 | jaylee7877 | maher: that would work. Lemme look into that, thanks |
| 02:41.54 | deadcat | Atula: dude. you said you a newbie and you want to learn. just the direction. so i gave debian.org, and read.. what the fuck is your problem? |
| 02:41.57 | migma | deadcat, how do I enable it in drxx? |
| 02:42.02 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: last of my questions here. If I would like to read most of shit that happends @ debain, what ML could be good enough? |
| 02:42.10 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: d-a and dda |
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| 02:42.12 | deadcat | migma: what card? |
| 02:42.28 | migma | i810 |
| 02:42.31 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: d-news is also a good list to read. |
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| 02:42.33 | pdt | would anybody know why mozilla-firefox shows all links in green? Despite default settings? |
| 02:42.38 | deadcat | migma: no clue |
| 02:42.42 | migma | deadcat, I've got it all set up, I just need to get the scroll wheel working |
| 02:42.53 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 02:42.59 | Atula | deadcat: hey man... you don't watch family guy do you..... you're too dry.... I like it a bit... moist..... come on man.... loosen up.... let it glide in and out freely |
| 02:43.06 | deadcat | !drxx migma |
| 02:43.07 | dpkg | migma: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 02:43.08 | pdt | all other colours in various apps are fine, just firefox links are screwed up :-( |
| 02:43.09 | migma | and afaik I don't think I should tinker with the XF86Config file manually |
| 02:43.23 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: I don't care about geting 300 more emails a day. |
| 02:43.30 | deadcat | Atula: i love family guy and you resembles nothing |
| 02:43.36 | dabaR | Atula: you are deprived |
| 02:43.36 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: uh, there's a reason why I only gave you those lists |
| 02:43.51 | Atula | deadcat: I'm the guy with the face upside down!!! gosh.... |
| 02:43.54 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: the archives are around; check them out |
| 02:44.10 | orchid | migma: back the file up then tinker with it |
| 02:44.16 | deadcat | Atula: you should hang yourself. we wont miss you |
| 02:44.17 | karsten | pdt: Check your color/font settings. |
| 02:44.21 | Atula | deadcat: either that.... or sometimes I like to be Rubert..... Stewie's stuffed animal |
| 02:44.37 | Atula | deadcat: well.... that's not in the spirit of Debian.... |
| 02:44.43 | pdt | karsten: in firefox it's all default, set to blue |
| 02:44.53 | jaylee7877 | maher: looks like that's what I need, thanks for the pointer |
| 02:44.54 | deadcat | Atula: no. thats my advice to you |
| 02:45.03 | karsten | pdt: Edit => Preferences => General => Fonts & Colors |
| 02:45.10 | Atula | deadcat: you're a pussy.... cat |
| 02:45.12 | karsten | pdt: "Use system colors" set? |
| 02:45.12 | pdt | karsten : default, blue :-) |
| 02:45.20 | karsten | pdt: ... and / or are you using a CSS? |
| 02:45.27 | pdt | karsten: i tried changing it to something else and links still stay green no matter what I put |
| 02:45.37 | Atula | !ops |
| 02:45.37 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 02:45.39 | pdt | karsten : no CSS, it's a fresh install too |
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| 02:45.43 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: I will check further. Thanks again. |
| 02:45.43 | karsten | pdt: ... and/or is that on all pages or only some? |
| 02:45.52 | pdt | karsten : all pages, including google itself |
| 02:45.52 | karsten | pdt: Bad monitor? ;-) |
| 02:46.01 | karsten | pdt: I have the anser. |
| 02:46.06 | karsten | pdt: It's a conspiracy. |
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| 02:46.21 | pdt | it's really annoying and hard to read, it's not a good kind of green |
| 02:46.34 | pdt | maybe it IS a conspiracy, damn it |
| 02:46.43 | sgeigerbot | Is anyone here using memcached? Just curious about a few things... |
| 02:46.48 | rixth | Okay, ever since I updated my /etc/network/interfaces My hosts file is now being ignored. |
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| 02:46.51 | rixth | Fucking great. |
| 02:46.56 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Don't I know you from somewher? |
| 02:47.06 | deadcat | rixth: so it works great? |
| 02:47.13 | karsten | rixth: What's order in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 02:47.22 | Atula | deadcat: I think he meant.... the fucking was great |
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| 02:47.33 | karsten | rixth: "hosts,bind", or "bind,hosts" ? |
| 02:47.36 | Atula | ... good sex I guess |
| 02:47.39 | deadcat | Atula: dude. whats your problem |
| 02:47.46 | rixth | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:47.54 | rixth | Thats all |
| 02:47.55 | Atula | deadcat: no problem at all.... nothing at all, sir |
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| 02:48.26 | rixth | Also some comments that it was generated by resolvconf |
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| 02:48.47 | karsten | rixth: NFC. |
| 02:48.48 | fando | hey vern |
| 02:48.58 | deadcat | karsten: dont confuse them with NFC |
| 02:48.59 | Wyzard | rixth: resolv.conf isn't related to your hosts file |
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| 02:49.04 | pdt | crap, in konqueror links are ALSO the same green |
| 02:49.08 | rixth | Wyzard, I didn't think so. |
| 02:49.11 | karsten | deadcat: ?? |
| 02:49.14 | deadcat | pdt: time for a new monitor |
| 02:49.23 | fando | i still can't get my usb flash card to link to /dev/sg0 |
| 02:49.24 | Wyzard | rixth: Check /etc/nsswitch.conf... it should have "hosts: files dns" |
| 02:49.25 | pdt | deadcat: no, everything works fine under windows |
| 02:49.25 | deadcat | karsten: nobody know what that is |
| 02:49.29 | pdt | i'm running debian under vmware |
| 02:49.36 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah, I've got NFC what it is myself. |
| 02:49.39 | deadcat | pdt: it SUPPOSE to work on windows else they wont sell it |
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| 02:49.50 | Wyzard | rixth: and maybe use strace to check whether /etc/hosts is being opened or not |
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| 02:50.02 | geekboi | How do I tell dpkg to update itself? I'm working on clearing out a bunch of Ubuntu packages I installed and replacing them with the Debian package. When I do a dpkg --list | grep -i ubunt, I'm still shownig stuff like nfs-kernel-server which I removed days ago |
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| 02:50.05 | karsten | deadcat: While we're at it, WTF does WTF mean? |
| 02:50.08 | pdt | sometimes links become blue when they go below the fold, but then they become green again |
| 02:50.15 | geekboi | what the frig |
| 02:50.19 | geekboi | what the fark |
| 02:50.28 | karsten | geekboi: You shouldn't mix ubuntu & debian packages. |
| 02:50.31 | geekboi | any f word that fits the bill at that point in time |
| 02:50.38 | dabaR | what the frig does what the fark mean? |
| 02:50.42 | rixth | hosts: files dns I have that line. How do I go about using strace? |
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| 02:50.48 | dondelelcaro | geekboi: uh, what is the status of those packages? |
| 02:50.51 | Wyzard | Fast Assist Repair Kbot? ;-) |
| 02:50.55 | dondelelcaro | s/o/on/ |
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| 02:51.06 | fando | oh wait, found the error... it pays to read dmesg :) |
| 02:51.08 | deadcat | karsten: thats the thing all these NFC, WTF,BBL,IRSS or whatever confuses me. and when someone do ne1, you guys be like "anyone, NOT ne1" ... what the fuck? |
| 02:51.25 | jamalz | ok i got the program but that the command to know where the files are extracted to ? |
| 02:51.33 | dabaR | does ne1 know? |
| 02:51.35 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: acronyms are one thing... aol speak is YA. |
| 02:51.41 | karsten | deadcat: There's _acronyms_ and there's l0s4 s33k |
| 02:51.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: they both annoying to me |
| 02:51.50 | karsten | deadcat: .. there's a difference, y'know. |
| 02:51.54 | geekboi | dondelelcaro: Yep. rc |
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| 02:52.01 | deadcat | karsten: idk |
| 02:52.09 | karsten | deadcat: BRYD. |
| 02:52.16 | deadcat | karsten: dont confuse me |
| 02:52.27 | dondelelcaro | geekboi: and now, for the c'oup de grace... read what that means on the header that dpkg -l prints out. |
| 02:52.32 | karsten | deadcat: Stop tempting me... |
| 02:52.43 | deadcat | hhahaha |
| 02:52.54 | pdt | there's no ' in coup |
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| 02:53.03 | jamalz | any one here ? |
| 02:53.17 | deadcat | jamalz: shutup |
| 02:53.23 | pdt | jamalz: i'll answer if you tell me how to make my links blue |
| 02:53.33 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 02:53.34 | dpkg | dondelelcaro's spelling ability, or rather, the lack thereof, is one of the wonders of the modern world. |
| 02:53.35 | pdt | what governs colours in X, anyway? |
| 02:53.45 | tractor | only 729 loonies |
| 02:53.51 | jamalz | pdt: all the links are default blue ;) and underlined |
| 02:54.06 | pdt | jamalz: well for me it's all green, I'm special like that |
| 02:54.25 | karsten | OK... In other news, cups (common unix printing system, to deadcat), printing to an HPLJ4 (a/k/a HP (a/k/a Hewlett Packard) LaserJet 4)) is converting files to legal, which should be letter. Which is not OK (a/k/a (a/k/a also known as, to deadcat) "oll klear"). |
| 02:54.42 | karsten | pdt: Gamma. |
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| 02:54.44 | fred21 | hello |
| 02:54.58 | karsten | pdt: Can you screenshot it and post somewhere? Ensure it's not HW? |
| 02:55.12 | kjs3 | <ObRPG> Gamma World. |
| 02:55.13 | pdt | dondelelcaro: that's a chef d'oevre |
| 02:55.26 | pdt | karsten: 500% sure not hardware |
| 02:55.30 | pdt | i'll screenshot it |
| 02:56.06 | deadcat | pdt: show me the screenshot |
| 02:56.15 | dabaR | karsten: you are missing a to deadcat at the last brace, it will never compile. |
| 02:56.18 | karsten | deadcat: show me the money. |
| 02:56.32 | geekboi | dondelelcaro: For what it's worth, the header from dpkg -l doesn't actually tell me what rc means. It's not difficult to deduce, but, it's not there smacking me in the face :) |
| 02:56.41 | karsten | dabaR: Yeah, but it's a dead cat, so it'll bounce. |
| 02:56.50 | dabaR | ah, ya. |
| 02:56.51 | deadcat | karsten: i have a 10$, $20 and few $1 |
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| 02:57.02 | dabaR | the ten is fake. |
| 02:57.07 | dabaR | bah |
| 02:57.13 | dondelelcaro | geekboi: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold... r==remove Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed c==config files. Any questions? |
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| 02:57.34 | jamalz | how to update my system devices i mean pci chips ? |
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| 02:58.07 | Wyzard | jamalz: Update your PCI chips? |
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| 02:58.13 | dabaR | ya, weird |
| 02:58.15 | Wyzard | jamalz: That doesn't make sense |
| 02:58.16 | dabaR | go to the store |
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| 02:59.04 | kjs3 | jamalz: a wave solder bench helps...otherwise, keen eyes, steady hands and a reeeeeealy fine soldering iron. |
| 02:59.20 | jamalz | Wyzard: well i have DVB plugged and the driver is installed but it says |
| 02:59.27 | jamalz | Error Device not Open |
| 03:00.09 | Wyzard | jamalz: I don't have experience with using DVBs, but that's a much better question to ask than how to update your PCI chips :-) |
| 03:00.11 | jamalz | how to locate files i installed by apt-get install ? |
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| 03:00.26 | Wyzard | jamalz: You should also mention what "it" is that says that |
| 03:00.27 | dondelelcaro | jamalz: dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 03:01.17 | pdt | karsten: http://gtd.textdriven.com/Screenshot1.png |
| 03:01.19 | pdt | karsten: http://gtd.textdriven.com/Screenshot2.png |
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| 03:01.40 | deadcat | pdt: looks nice |
| 03:01.49 | pdt | does not! |
| 03:02.21 | dabaR | pdt: its awesome leave it so |
| 03:02.23 | pdt | adwords on query "dear god help me" are awesome |
| 03:02.24 | pdt | heh |
| 03:03.01 | pdt | "Are you looking for help?" |
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| 03:03.03 | pdt | "Desperate?" |
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| 03:03.20 | dabaR | pdt, so really in options you change it and nothing? |
| 03:03.26 | pdt | i don't get how come it happens in both firefox and konqueror |
| 03:03.32 | dabaR | ha |
| 03:03.33 | FieldySnuts | thats neat. google maps added a hybrid feature, a combination of the street maps and satellite view |
| 03:03.35 | pdt | dabaR: yes, and it's in 2 browsers |
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| 03:04.41 | dabaR | gotta go download gaim now. |
| 03:04.55 | pdt | in soviet russia, gaim downloads YOU |
| 03:05.12 | deadcat | pdt: how you know? |
| 03:05.17 | karsten | pdt: I'm on dialup btw. Smaller / cropped would help |
| 03:05.35 | deadcat | karsten: let me describe the pics. its green |
| 03:05.37 | pdt | karsten : it's alright, thanks for the effort |
| 03:05.47 | karsten | deadcat: Heh. |
| 03:05.48 | pdt | deadcat is dead on |
| 03:05.55 | karsten | Indeed it is. |
| 03:06.08 | karsten | pdt: More to the point, looks pure green. |
| 03:06.49 | pdt | so it is a conspiracy then? |
| 03:06.51 | dabaR | lol@deadcat.explanation |
| 03:07.03 | jamalz | exit |
| 03:07.06 | kjs3 | in Pinocets' Chile, you are made to download Gaim, then you are shot. |
| 03:07.07 | deadcat | dabaR: put the crack down |
| 03:07.15 | karsten | pdt: Speaking of which, I had a ping on my resume from some religous orgaization out of Colorado. Reading their page was... nuts. |
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| 03:07.57 | karsten | pdt: The google buttons are also colored oddly. |
| 03:07.58 | pdt | did they find you on google by searching for "dial-up debian user"? |
| 03:08.01 | karsten | pdt: What's your color depth? |
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| 03:08.51 | pdt | how can I find out what the depth is? |
| 03:08.54 | pdt | in gnome |
| 03:09.09 | muntyan | hi there. does someone know if gtk-2.7.* (unstable versions) packaged for debian? |
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| 03:09.27 | bob2 | pdt: xdpyinfo |
| 03:09.31 | spiderworm | hi all i just tried to update my server and it updated postgresql but it couldnt import the data into it... |
| 03:09.43 | maher | pdt: edit -> preferences -> general -> fonts and colors <--- anything green? |
| 03:09.47 | karsten | pdt: RGB is 2,238,2, FWIW. |
| 03:09.49 | spiderworm | i have the data backed up in a directory, how do i put it back in the database? |
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| 03:09.57 | karsten | pdt: ^^bob2 |
| 03:10.01 | karsten | !win bob2 |
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| 03:10.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, bob2! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:10.04 | pdt | maher: no |
| 03:10.09 | Wyzard | spiderworm: If you did a major version upgrade -- such as from 7 to 8 -- then the files can't be automatically converted; you need to do a dump and restore |
| 03:10.15 | pdt | i don't have xdpyinfo |
| 03:10.26 | karsten | pdt: Install it. |
| 03:10.33 | spiderworm | Wyzard: i have the dump, how do i restore? |
| 03:10.45 | Wyzard | pdt: xdpyinfo is in the "xbase-clients" package |
| 03:10.48 | maher | pdt: are any of the check boxes checked? |
| 03:11.04 | pdt | maher: it's in both konqueror and firefox |
| 03:11.07 | Wyzard | spiderworm: It's an SQL script... pipe it into psql to execute its commands against the new database |
| 03:11.10 | bwlang | just got a couple of bounces saying that they don't accept mail from localhost. I'm using exim4 mailname returns coopmetrics.coop, hostname returns coopmetrics.coop where is exim getting localhost from? |
| 03:11.21 | Wyzard | spiderworm: psql <options> < mydump.sql |
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| 03:11.54 | karsten | Anyone here who can tell me what it is xprint's supposed to do, other than foul up my papersize? |
| 03:12.05 | spiderworm | ok simple enuff |
| 03:12.11 | Althaser | is java need ln for mouse in firefox ? please |
| 03:12.19 | dogmeat | bob2: which is more popular, ubuntu or debian? |
| 03:12.21 | pdt | i |
| 03:12.31 | redtime | gn |
| 03:12.32 | SDFH_Linux | trying to put nvidia driver and got a rivafb error whats the deal? |
| 03:12.34 | FieldySnuts | how would we know... |
| 03:12.36 | Wyzard | Althaser: "need in for mouse" ? |
| 03:12.36 | deadcat | dogmeat: gentoo |
| 03:12.39 | SDFH_Linux | during compile |
| 03:12.40 | bob2 | dogmeat: no one knows |
| 03:12.41 | maher | pdt: if you make a new user is it still green for the new user? |
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| 03:12.48 | deadcat | bob2: i do. (= |
| 03:12.51 | bob2 | dogmeat: since both are freely downloadable |
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| 03:13.04 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: What do you mean by "put nvidia driver"? Are you trying to compile nvidia-kernel? |
| 03:13.08 | pdt | maher: yes |
| 03:13.10 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 03:13.11 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: or trying to load the module? |
| 03:13.24 | SDFH_Linux | i am compiling using module asst |
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| 03:13.32 | SDFH_Linux | and i get a rivafb error |
| 03:13.36 | SDFH_Linux | and wont go past that |
| 03:13.36 | Althaser | Wyzard some hyperlink for mouse works in firefox java ?? |
| 03:13.58 | tvn | I use screen and I am not what I pressed it seems everything froze or being locked ... what should I try to 'unlock' it ? |
| 03:14.02 | Althaser | Wyzard i can move but no click :( |
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| 03:14.22 | deadcat | tvn: ^a ^q or ^a q |
| 03:14.22 | bob2 | tvn: ctrl-a q, ctrla- Q, maybe |
| 03:14.23 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I wouldn't be surprised if you can't load the nvidia module when using rivafb, but I can't think of any reason for a compile error... maybe module-assistant is automatically trying to load the module after it compiles, and that's what fails? |
| 03:14.26 | bob2 | and ctrl-q itself |
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| 03:14.36 | dabaR | dogmeapache |
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| 03:15.04 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:15.06 | tvn | c-a c-q or Q don't do it ... still dead |
| 03:15.08 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I've heard of others being unable to load the nvidia module when using rivafb... apparently rivafb takes control of the card so the nvidia module can't configure it, or something |
| 03:15.09 | void | hello |
| 03:15.17 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Just use vesafb |
| 03:15.17 | bob2 | tvn: no, ctrl-a q |
| 03:15.22 | bob2 | not ctrl-a ctrl-q |
| 03:15.23 | deadcat | i only use ^a+^s to pause the screen and map S and s to split |
| 03:15.32 | tvn | bob2: same thing .... no response |
| 03:15.34 | void | can someone help me setup an ati dual head to work with two moniters? |
| 03:15.44 | void | right now its in clone mode... |
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| 03:15.58 | deadcat | void: hdr.unk/~drac/ |
| 03:15.59 | jamalz | mornin every one again |
| 03:16.12 | Wyzard | void: Create two Device sections for the card, one with "Screen 0" as an option and one with "Screen 1" |
| 03:16.18 | jamalz | how to setup a dervier for any device ? eg VGA and Audio card sound |
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| 03:16.30 | Wyzard | void: Create a Screen section for each Device section, and put both Screen sections in your ServerLayout |
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| 03:16.53 | void | i tryed that it din't seem to work i read the xinerma howto did all that down to the bus locations |
| 03:17.09 | void | and its in dupe mode |
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| 03:17.21 | Wyzard | void: There's also the Hydravision feature, which I believe makes the two monitors "look" like a single big monitor to X, and therefore doesn't need two Device sections... but that only works with ATI's closed-source driver, and I don't know the way to enable that |
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| 03:17.35 | deadcat | void: try http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/dualhead_with_mergedfb_on_radeon.txt |
| 03:17.36 | void | hey you wanna see my xf86 file? see if anythings wrong? |
| 03:17.41 | void | ok |
| 03:17.48 | Wyzard | void: I dunno then... that's what's worked for me in the past |
| 03:17.56 | deadcat | void: xf86? i think it only works on xorg right? |
| 03:18.16 | void | xf -4 |
| 03:18.17 | Wyzard | void: I don't actually use ATI cards at home, so I don't have much experience with them, but I once configured a dual-head R7000 at work that way |
| 03:18.41 | Wyzard | void: using XFree86 on sarge, (actually a pre-release snapshot of sarge), so I know it's possible |
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| 03:18.44 | SargeBaldy | hello, i need some help getting apt to detect my wireless connection.. |
| 03:18.46 | SDFH_Linux | Wyzard how i change that |
| 03:18.52 | void | thing is when i installed the propreitary driver it came with a control center to let me set it up but it doesn't work |
| 03:18.53 | SDFH_Linux | to vesafb |
| 03:19.02 | pdt | karsten: what was that about 2,238,2? |
| 03:19.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hows the tar? |
| 03:19.14 | dfm | good morning |
| 03:19.24 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I'm guessing you have an option like "video=rivafb" in your GRUB or LILO config |
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| 03:19.36 | SDFH_Linux | i am using grub |
| 03:19.38 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
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| 03:19.48 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Change it to "video=vesa", or "video=vesa:mtrr" if you have MTRR support in your kernel |
| 03:19.53 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:19.53 | jamalz | how to install a driver for my VGA ? |
| 03:20.00 | kamaraju | whenever I open mozilla-thunderbird, the circle on the top right corner keeps rotating and never stops. What could be the problem? If I right click on the toolbar, and choose customize option, and then if I press ok, the wheel stops rotating. Anyone else have this problem? I have disable automatic fetching of emails and so that is not the problem. Any other ideas? |
| 03:20.18 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: You'll also need to set the "vga" option to the right code number for the video mode you want... "vga=0x307" for 1280x1024 8-bit |
| 03:20.19 | deadcat | jamalz: you config your X |
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| 03:20.30 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:20.45 | maher | SargeBaldy: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:21.00 | SDFH_Linux | where is the grub.conf file again |
| 03:21.01 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Documentation on the video mode numbers can be found in "Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt" in the kernel source tree, if you have that... or probably with Google |
| 03:21.07 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:21.09 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:21.13 | SargeBaldy | i'm trying to get my internet working so i can install packages :P |
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| 03:21.30 | maher | SargeBaldy: t what stage in the install are you? |
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| 03:22.06 | SargeBaldy | well, i completed the install, i just have the minimal cd |
| 03:22.13 | jamalz | deadcat: and if i wanna install an audio device ? |
| 03:22.22 | Wyzard | SargeBaldy: You installed with the netinst CD? |
| 03:22.23 | maher | SargeBaldy: what wireless card? |
| 03:22.26 | deadcat | jamalz: i dont know |
| 03:22.28 | SargeBaldy | yeah |
| 03:22.30 | SargeBaldy | that cd |
| 03:22.37 | Wyzard | SargeBaldy: OK, so you have a working base system, good |
| 03:22.44 | SargeBaldy | it's a belkin 802.11g |
| 03:22.53 | maher | SargeBaldy: do you know what chipset |
| 03:23.08 | Wyzard | SargeBaldy: Belkin doesn't actually make hardware; they just package and rebrand stuff. You'll need to know what chipset your card uses. |
| 03:23.37 | Wyzard | SargeBaldy: "lspci" might be helpful for that |
| 03:23.38 | deadcat | Wyzard: but if you go to your local sotre and ask the chipset, they say "belkin" (= |
| 03:24.01 | karsten | Y'know... |
| 03:24.07 | karsten | No... |
| 03:24.12 | karsten | !shoot me. |
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| 03:24.57 | SargeBaldy` | well i'm not in linux atm so it'd be hard to use that command :P |
| 03:25.09 | maher | SargeBaldy`: what's the model number |
| 03:25.38 | FlimFlamMan | is it possible to boot using grub if /boot is a fat32 partition? |
| 03:25.41 | Wyzard | SargeBaldy`: Then boot it |
| 03:25.43 | karsten | SargeBaldy`: Try BelArc's system information tool |
| 03:25.44 | SargeBaldy` | how do i check that? |
| 03:25.47 | SargeBaldy` | ok |
| 03:25.52 | void | how many colors does a lilo boot image support? |
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| 03:25.52 | karsten | SargeBaldy`: ...though I think it dunn't have that in it. |
| 03:25.59 | karsten | FlimFlamMan: Yes. |
| 03:25.59 | deadcat | void: 16 |
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| 03:26.10 | NoHope | hi all |
| 03:26.15 | fortysixand2 | hi |
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| 03:26.26 | maher | Wyzard: ntfstools can pack / unpack ntfs partitions, ntfsresize can probably move them too |
| 03:26.31 | undomiel | hi, can anyone point to how to get the ati drivers on sarge 3.1?? |
| 03:26.38 | NoHope | hey, have you ever tried to install php5 from apt-get? |
| 03:26.54 | FlimFlamMan | karsten, i tried reformatting /boot as fat32 and copying the files back to it, but now grub fails with "Error 17"... |
| 03:26.54 | void | yes ati.com then linux drivers then download the linux shell script |
| 03:26.57 | Wyzard | maher: Well, I plan on doing the relocation by dd'ing the contents to a temporary location, then dd'ing them back to the new partition later |
| 03:26.57 | deadcat | undomiel: modprobe radeon maybe? |
| 03:27.07 | deadcat | NoHope: no. |
| 03:27.08 | karsten | FlimFlamMan: RTFM / STFW |
| 03:27.22 | FlimFlamMan | stfw? |
| 03:27.22 | undomiel | deadcat: i mean the fglrx drivers... |
| 03:27.26 | karsten | FlimFlamMan: The info page documents the error codes copiously. |
| 03:27.26 | maher | Wyzard: try it and see... |
| 03:27.30 | Wyzard | maher: I'm just hoping Windows doesn't depend on any physical sector numbers staying constant |
| 03:27.30 | deadcat | undomiel: google. |
| 03:27.32 | undomiel | deadcat: the ones from ati.com |
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| 03:27.41 | undomiel | deadcat: ive trying that all day.. |
| 03:27.46 | undomiel | with no success |
| 03:27.49 | SDFH_Linux | Wyzard do i do this when i boot up or using like gedit? |
| 03:27.55 | deadcat | undomiel: now you just bullshitting |
| 03:28.12 | Wyzard | maher: (repartitioning my laptop to use LVM, so I need to put the Windows partition at the end of the drive rather than in the middle) |
| 03:28.14 | undomiel | thats why im asking here, if you have nothing usefull to say why are you answering to me |
| 03:28.27 | undomiel | deadcat: you are not the only person on this channel |
| 03:28.31 | deadcat | undomiel: because there is one. i just checked lastnight |
| 03:28.33 | FlimFlamMan | wtf is stfw |
| 03:28.38 | deadcat | undomiel: but they wont answer you |
| 03:28.39 | iamaricky | undomiel: the drivers from ati have aconfiguration script that creates an x config |
| 03:28.40 | iamaricky | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.55 | undomiel | iamaricky: but i cannot load the module |
| 03:28.58 | iamaricky | tit does ask what mode to put the display in |
| 03:28.58 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Try it once using the grub prompt at boot time, to check that it works, and then edit the file to make the change permanent |
| 03:29.12 | SargeBaldy` | hmm, belarc doesn't tell me anything |
| 03:29.19 | SDFH_Linux | so do this during boot up |
| 03:29.22 | iamaricky | hmmn you hav eto ummm restart |
| 03:29.22 | SDFH_Linux | when grub comes up |
| 03:29.28 | maher | SargeBaldy`: what does it say on the box? |
| 03:29.30 | undomiel | ive just installed sarge yesterday, i was using ubuntu before.. |
| 03:29.30 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 03:29.30 | apt | Muslims rule! |
| 03:29.31 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: For now, yeah |
| 03:29.35 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:29.36 | SargeBaldy` | so i guess i'll book linux real fast |
| 03:29.46 | SargeBaldy` | is that all i need to get? the model number? |
| 03:29.47 | deadcat | SargeBaldy`: cant you google "belkin model# linux" ? |
| 03:29.51 | SargeBaldy` | oh |
| 03:29.57 | maher | SargeBaldy`: so you know the model number? |
| 03:29.57 | SargeBaldy` | well, i suppose |
| 03:30.01 | SargeBaldy` | no |
| 03:30.15 | deadcat | SargeBaldy`: the model is on the freakin card |
| 03:30.29 | maher | SargeBaldy`: sometimes the model number is enough - sometimes the same model number comes with different chipsets at random |
| 03:30.33 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:30.35 | SDFH_Linux | brb |
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| 03:31.30 | iamaricky | or load it manually |
| 03:31.46 | iamaricky | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.52 | SargeBaldy` | oh wait |
| 03:31.56 | SargeBaldy` | F5D7001 |
| 03:32.20 | dogmeat | can sites sift through your cookies to find credit card info, etc? |
| 03:32.35 | deadcat | dogmeat: if you let them |
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| 03:32.49 | deadcat | SargeBaldy`: not google that number and add linux to the end |
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| 03:33.19 | dogmeat | deadcat: i accept all cookies, but not more than that |
| 03:33.25 | jaylee7877 | OK, I'm trying to do a chroot install of sid on a sarge system but debootstrap dies after downloading quite a bit with: E: Couldn't download libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 03:33.25 | Wyzard | dogmeat: Your browser only sends cookies back to the domain they came from, but if the site can use an exploit in your browser to download a malicious program, it can do anything it wants |
| 03:33.27 | jaylee7877 | any ideas? |
| 03:33.27 | deadcat | dogmeat: then you ok |
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| 03:33.48 | maher | SargeBaldy`: looks like broadcom |
| 03:33.48 | deadcat | jaylee7877: maybe has something to do with /topic |
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| 03:34.01 | deadcat | SargeBaldy`: ndiswrapper is the only way to go then |
| 03:34.22 | maher | SargeBaldy`: you may have to use super yucky ndiswrapper |
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| 03:34.50 | maher | SargeBaldy`: is there any way of getting a wired cinnection to your machine? |
| 03:34.56 | fortysixand2 | I have to use ndiswrapper |
| 03:34.58 | jaylee7877 | deadcat: thanks, any way to get around it and use pre-gcc 4.0 stuff? |
| 03:35.02 | fortysixand2 | it works, but not by choice |
| 03:35.15 | deadcat | jaylee7877: no clue |
| 03:35.51 | Wyzard | SargeBaldy`: I've set up ndiswrapper several times, including once on a Broadcom, and it works fine |
| 03:36.08 | maher | jaylee7877: that's probably a mirror problem not a gcc problem |
| 03:36.15 | MyOwnLittlWorld | does anyone know how to return a system to its original package configuration? (ie, uninstall everything and reset it to the install-cd defaults - does it have anything to do with taskel?) |
| 03:36.19 | Wyzard | SargeBaldy`: But it's a little complicated, particularly if you have to use WPA |
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| 03:36.33 | jaylee7877 | maher: I've tried using both mirrors.kernel.org and ftp.us.debian.org, same thing |
| 03:36.42 | Wyzard | MyOwnLittlWorld: Uninstall (and purge) all packages with a priority lower than "standard", I guess |
| 03:36.47 | deadcat | jaylee7877: just wait few days |
| 03:36.59 | brlancer | whenever I print to an hp4000 over jet direct, I lose the first line or two of text - I've got the right driver, using letter, I even expanded my headers - happens printing ps via lpr and text via enscript |
| 03:37.33 | maher | jaylee7877: i have libsigc++-1.2-5c102 1.2.5-4 |
| 03:37.58 | FlimFlamMan | karsten, docs told me pretty much dick about error 17 |
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| 03:38.18 | netman1 | brlancer: what if you print to file and check it'ts contents within a hexdump program ? |
| 03:38.30 | maher | jaylee7877: try manually grabbing one - or try installing sarge and upgrading to unstable |
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| 03:39.04 | MyOwnLittlWorld | wyzard: i'm considering purging everything I can other than dpkg, aptitude, and stuff I'd need to install packages... does that sound sane? (the x-server upgrade broke things pretty well) |
| 03:39.04 | MyOwnLittlWorld | does anyone know what the program is that lets you pick package configurations (it's the main package chooser, other than aptitude, that you see when running the debian install cd) |
| 03:39.15 | maher | MyOwnLittlWorld: tasksel |
| 03:39.20 | jaylee7877 | maher: alrighty |
| 03:39.23 | brlancer | netman1: ok, to what end? |
| 03:39.28 | MyOwnLittlWorld | maher:thanks |
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| 03:39.57 | netman1 | brlancer: to check wether the lines are actually put from your application to the printer. |
| 03:40.03 | MyOwnLittlWorld | wish me luck... off to break/fix a system |
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| 03:40.39 | netman1 | brlancer: ie. to check where it goes wrong : the program or the driver. |
| 03:41.00 | netman1 | brlancer : or the jetdirect. |
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| 03:41.52 | netman1 | brlancer : last point : when you print to file, put the file to the jetdirect:raw then it should reproduce the same result. |
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| 03:45.51 | OldakQuill | Most of my non-Latin script fonts work - a few don't (Japanese and Chinese) despite having xfonts installed - any ideas? |
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| 03:52.08 | undomiel | wich one is the package to compile a kernel? |
| 03:52.26 | mwilson | Ah... 19" LCD is so cool... |
| 03:52.49 | brlancer | netman1: pebkac - /etc/papersize was using a4; I'm a moron |
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| 03:53.47 | undomiel | debhelper right? |
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| 03:54.15 | SDFH_Linux | Wyzard fixed it but it wasnt that problem it was that i had only gcc 4.0 and the it wanted gcc 3.3 |
| 03:54.19 | SDFH_Linux | but thanks dude for trying |
| 03:55.22 | SDFH_Linux | is xorg still in debian unstable? |
| 03:55.35 | TimFreeman | I haven't received any spam in 12 hours. I can't recall this happening in the past few years. I have received normal email. Has anyone else noticed a change? |
| 03:56.28 | FieldySnuts | ~spam TimFreeman |
| 03:56.28 | apt | you should get a hotmail account to spam TimFreeman |
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| 03:56.39 | undomiel | wich package include make-kpkg? |
| 03:57.02 | undomiel | ok, its kernel-package.. |
| 03:58.29 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: aha :-) |
| 03:58.44 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: And yes, xorg is only in unstable, not in testing yet |
| 03:59.31 | SDFH_Linux | cant seem to get it even though its listed in synaptic |
| 03:59.36 | SDFH_Linux | it says i cant get it |
| 03:59.43 | FieldySnuts | !shag Phated |
| 03:59.55 | FieldySnuts | nudge nudge, say no more |
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| 04:00.10 | dogayonv | Are there any C programmers in here I have a simple question? |
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| 04:00.22 | The_Vulture | wouldn't #C be a more appropriate forum.. |
| 04:00.23 | Wyzard | dogayonv: ##c would be a better place to ask |
| 04:00.32 | dogayonv | they arent able to answer |
| 04:00.38 | dogayonv | or willing I guess is the better way |
| 04:00.40 | dogayonv | lol |
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| 04:00.47 | dogayonv | its not complicated or anything |
| 04:01.10 | dogayonv | no takers/ |
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| 04:01.31 | Phated | Wootles. |
| 04:01.33 | karsten | abrotman: ... got my printer problem sorta worked around. |
| 04:01.38 | FieldySnuts | hehe you are silly |
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| 04:01.52 | karsten | abrotman: mpage -bletter -1 -o < file | nc printer 9100 |
| 04:02.00 | Wyzard | lol, wow, I'm dumb... I just netcatted five gigabytes of data to a terminal window rather than to a file |
| 04:02.10 | fortysixand2 | nice |
| 04:02.35 | FieldySnuts | we had one :) |
| 04:02.38 | karsten | !seen abrotman |
| 04:02.38 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (3h 17m 55s). Has said a total of 114878 messages. Is idling for 3h 1m 27s |
| 04:02.42 | deadcat | i see some romance in this room (= |
| 04:02.54 | karsten | deadcat: Quite. |
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| 04:04.02 | SDFH_Linux | nevermind i got xorg deb repos must of been down |
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| 04:04.36 | Atula | http://www2.pyrospheric.net/images/doze_bb.jpg <---- what the hell? you can do that with fluxbox? what plugin is that? |
| 04:05.05 | Atula | I'm talking about the slit |
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| 04:05.15 | deadcat | Atula: thats gkrellm2 dude |
| 04:05.17 | Atula | or lower taskbar... how the |
| 04:05.20 | Atula | no no |
| 04:05.20 | Wyzard | Atula: The thing on the left looks like gkrellm |
| 04:05.25 | Atula | I know gkrell on the left |
| 04:05.30 | Atula | the lower task bar |
| 04:05.32 | Atula | what is that? |
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| 04:05.37 | deadcat | Atula: thats blackbox for windows |
| 04:05.47 | Atula | oh.... you can do that with windows? |
| 04:05.49 | Atula | oh dear |
| 04:05.56 | deadcat | Atula: DOZE BB.. thats the filename |
| 04:05.57 | Atula | she he just put blackbox on windows? |
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| 04:06.16 | deadcat | Atula: cant blame him for liking windows and blackbox |
| 04:06.23 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a wm war |
| 04:06.24 | dpkg | GNOME makes me vomit! |
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| 04:06.42 | dfm | hello |
| 04:06.47 | dfm | i've got a problem with iptables. |
| 04:06.50 | Atula | deadcat: DOZE BB, is that the name for it? I want to do that to my windows box as well! |
| 04:06.57 | karsten | Atula: Yeah, hit the BB wiki page, there's a 'Doze port. |
| 04:07.01 | FieldySnuts | heh. i want it to say "emacs users are cluebies" to start an editor war. chances are low so nevermind |
| 04:07.08 | dfm | i use debian sarge as a router and simply want to forward port 6881 UDP to my desktop. |
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| 04:07.10 | deadcat | Atula: thats the name of the damn filename |
| 04:07.13 | Atula | karsten: it's still alive? the project? |
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| 04:07.19 | dfm | can u help me with that? |
| 04:07.28 | deadcat | dfm: iptables |
| 04:07.34 | dfm | so far... |
| 04:07.35 | Wyzard | dfm: Use a firewall package such as FireHOL, rather than writing iptables rules by hand |
| 04:07.35 | karsten | Atula: Yeah, after a fashion. |
| 04:07.40 | c01100011 | my internet connection (eth0) is slow , but it is fine in my xp partition and on other computers on the network, what could be wrong ? |
| 04:07.49 | dfm | mhm ok |
| 04:07.55 | dfm | thx, wyzard |
| 04:08.10 | dfm | apt-get install fireHOL, right? |
| 04:08.14 | Wyzard | dfm: (and in firehol, you can easily do that with the "dnat" rule) |
| 04:08.29 | Wyzard | dfm: Well, "firehol" -- all-lowercase -- but yes |
| 04:08.37 | dfm | cool |
| 04:08.39 | dfm | thx |
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| 04:09.17 | Wyzard | dfm: Or "ipmasq"... not as powerful, but simpler to configure, and for a basic router you probably don't need the stuff it can't do |
| 04:09.56 | karsten | Where does GNOME set papersize? |
| 04:10.49 | Wyzard | karsten: The print dialog has a size dropdown where you can select a size |
| 04:10.58 | dondelelcaro | one would hope that it would obey libpaper by default |
| 04:11.02 | Wyzard | karsten: I'm not sure where that dropdown's default setting is configured though |
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| 04:11.25 | karsten | Wyzard: Indeed it does. |
| 04:12.08 | dan2_ | deadcat: hey |
| 04:12.25 | deadcat | dan2_: what up dude. (= |
| 04:12.31 | karsten | Wyzard: Care to guess how immensely stupid I feel ATM? |
| 04:12.55 | Wyzard | karsten: ? |
| 04:13.11 | FieldySnuts | !insult karsten |
| 04:13.13 | dpkg | karsten is nothing but a fulminating pile of fobbing red dye number-9 |
| 04:13.21 | FieldySnuts | that was a guess heh i didn't know it worked |
| 04:13.25 | mwilson | Gnome actually obeys a standard instead of inventing its own? Someone quick call an ambulance... karsten is about to faint! |
| 04:13.26 | karsten | Wyzard: I've been trying to figure out what the f*ck was wrong with my print config for the past, oh, three hours. |
| 04:13.37 | Wyzard | karsten: lol |
| 04:13.40 | karsten | FieldySnuts: That would be a few steps _up_ the ladder ATM. |
| 04:13.56 | Wyzard | karsten: I've had similar moments |
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| 04:13.59 | karsten | Wyzard: The good news is I'm taking a new position on a QA team... |
| 04:14.04 | dfm | wyzard: i installed debian, configured internet connection stuff and simply ran ipmasq to make those three windows clients in my lan go online |
| 04:14.07 | FieldySnuts | heh it said to me "You are nothing but an acidic bag of unintelligent chicken piss" wow |
| 04:14.14 | Wyzard | dfm: cool |
| 04:14.30 | FieldySnuts | somebody is really creative and nasty... |
| 04:14.33 | Wyzard | dfm: I've never used ipmasq myself (I use firehol) but I've been told that it's the simplest way to get a basic NAT router running |
| 04:14.34 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: factinfo insult |
| 04:14.35 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as insult, FieldySnuts |
| 04:14.36 | dfm | i have to admit, that i am not really concious about what i am doing here |
| 04:14.38 | dfm | :> |
| 04:14.39 | FieldySnuts | um. .. huh? |
| 04:14.52 | FieldySnuts | ah well. |
| 04:15.15 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: I've wondered about that... there's no factinfo on "phillysmite" (which abrotman is fond of invoking) either |
| 04:15.35 | dfm | wyzard: i want to forward 6881 udp to 192.168.0.2 - what must i do with ipmasq? |
| 04:15.54 | Wyzard | dfm: dunno, I don't use ipmasq... check the docs for it |
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| 04:16.45 | Wyzard | dfm: Google turns up http://www.bbassett.net/ipmasq/manual/ |
| 04:16.51 | joemc2 | hey all |
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| 04:16.59 | dfm | hi |
| 04:17.18 | Atula | deadcat: I can't find a good site for bb doze.... the wiki doesn't work.... do you know of any site that I can go and learn more about blackbox for windows? |
| 04:17.41 | FieldySnuts | damn, that insult factoid generates some really nasty stuff |
| 04:17.47 | joemc2 | i have looked EVERYWHERE and have had no luck finding an older version of wine. winehq doesnt even keep copies. The problem is RGB in directx is BGR for some reason and i found on a forum that an older version of wine does not have this problem. Does anyone know where i can get an older version? |
| 04:17.48 | Wyzard | Atula: Google for "blackbox windows" turns up http://www.bb4win.org/ as the first result |
| 04:17.59 | dfm | wyzard: i hoped to find s.o. who has a debian router and uses portforwardung |
| 04:18.04 | FieldySnuts | (person) are nothing but an onion-eyed quart of fen-sucked Sun IPC manuals for example he |
| 04:18.05 | deadcat | Atula: no clue. |
| 04:18.09 | tomb0y | dfm: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d extneralip -p udp --dport 6681 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:6681 |
| 04:18.28 | Atula | Wyzard: is that what deadcat and others were talking about? blackbox "doze"? |
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| 04:18.36 | dfm | tomb0y: that's it? |
| 04:18.39 | Wyzard | dfm: I'm sure there's a way to declare port forwarding in ipmasq's configuration; I just don't know what it is, since I don't use it |
| 04:18.51 | CVirus | can I upgrade from a version of debian to another version using apt-get ? |
| 04:18.56 | Wyzard | dfm: If possible, it's better to use an ipmasq config rule rather than a raw iptables rule |
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| 04:19.08 | tomb0y | dfm: also open up port 6681 in the FORWARD table as well |
| 04:19.43 | Wyzard | dfm: Try "man ipmasq", "man ipmasq-rule" |
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| 04:20.41 | dfm | ok, thx. illbeback |
| 04:22.16 | joemc2 | Wyzard: you seem to be fairly knowledgable, any chance you saw my question? |
| 04:22.43 | jair | guys are you familiar with packages that secunia provide for debian and other unix like distros about vulneravility and security? |
| 04:22.54 | Wyzard | joemc2: I haven't touched wine in years, sorry |
| 04:23.07 | joemc2 | Wyzard: eh thanks anyways |
| 04:23.09 | Wyzard | joemc2: I don't really like it... seems ugly to pollute a Linux system with a bunch of Windows files |
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| 04:23.32 | maher | joemc2: try archive.debian.org / snapshot.debian.org |
| 04:23.32 | joemc2 | Wyzard: i agree other than i need to run a specific game |
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| 04:23.45 | joemc2 | maher: thank you |
| 04:24.24 | Wyzard | joemc2: I have Windows installed as a secondary OS on my laptop, basically for the sole purpose of playing Total Annihilation and Starcraft :-) |
| 04:24.43 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: TA, good choice. |
| 04:24.50 | The_Vulture | Read about Supreme Commander? |
| 04:25.04 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: heard of it, but I haven't read any details |
| 04:25.31 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: I discovered TA Mutation last weekend, and have been playing Uberhack games |
| 04:25.36 | The_Vulture | Seems to be rather cool. |
| 04:25.47 | The_Vulture | Can't say I've played with may TA mods, more of an original TA man myself |
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| 04:26.03 | joemc2 | Wyzard: i would do the same other than the fact that it gets full of those worms before i can patch up and i dont have a Sp2 cd nor the patience to write all teh patches to cd and reinstall windows |
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| 04:26.11 | The_Vulture | back in the day I used to play with TADD (now Merciless Creations) units, but recently I've just been playing pure Cavedog TA |
| 04:26.15 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: Uberhack is mostly a bunch of game-balancing changes... the goal was to make every unit something you'd actually want to build |
| 04:26.17 | FieldySnuts | we are in #debian right? |
| 04:26.31 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: for now |
| 04:26.33 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: *nods* might check it out |
| 04:26.43 | dan2_ | Wyzard: total anhilation was such a great game |
| 04:26.46 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: insult Windows |
| 04:26.47 | The_Vulture | FieldySnuts: no no.. you're all confused, #debian is that *points* way man |
| 04:26.47 | dpkg | Windows is nothing but an egg-sucking quart of vain snake bait |
| 04:26.54 | dan2_ | ~start an os war |
| 04:26.54 | apt | HURD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 04:26.57 | The_Vulture | s/was/is/ |
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| 04:27.08 | FieldySnuts | ~start an mta war |
| 04:27.08 | apt | courier loses mail |
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| 04:27.20 | FieldySnuts | heh i love how suddenly an mta "loses mail" |
| 04:27.20 | joemc2 | archive.debian.org is down? lol even though debian.org is up |
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| 04:27.35 | maher | joemc2: topic - servers being moved |
| 04:28.05 | joemc2 | ah |
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| 04:31.45 | dan2_ | ~end an os war |
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| 04:32.06 | rosemary | debian 3.1, monitor should be 1024 x 768 @70, which is what I set during intstall however it keep going to 640 x 480 @ 61 and I can't seem to change it - have tried kandrtray as root, but it doesn't let me make changes, I've also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - any ideas please |
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| 04:33.23 | mombof | how does one make a process a higher priority over others |
| 04:33.38 | FieldySnuts | renice |
| 04:33.51 | mombof | thx :) |
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| 04:34.11 | deadcat | mombof: nice |
| 04:34.16 | FieldySnuts | renice X `pidof processname` is useful (man renice to find out what X might be) |
| 04:34.24 | deadcat | mombof: or renice. i dont know which one |
| 04:34.27 | FieldySnuts | or yeah when you run it nice |
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| 04:34.55 | mombof | cool thx |
| 04:34.56 | wishie | how can i work out the keycodes for the 'extra' keys on my keyboard.. (volume up/down, email, webcam) etc |
| 04:35.03 | mombof | that werks 4 me |
| 04:35.09 | wishie | xev doesnt seem to give me some of them |
| 04:35.20 | deadcat | wishie: then they dont work. |
| 04:35.33 | wishie | deadcat: umm, the buttons work. |
| 04:35.47 | FieldySnuts | !lart wishie |
| 04:35.49 | wishie | just not in linux then it seems ? which would seem odd. |
| 04:35.50 | deadcat | wishie: if they work. then you wouldnt be asking how to get them to work wouldnt you |
| 04:35.53 | maher | rosemary: are you in #flood? |
| 04:36.29 | Frozen-Solid | when you get build-essentials that'll come with gcc and everything you need right? you dont need to apt-get anything else first? |
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| 04:37.09 | Wyzard | Frozen-Solid: correct |
| 04:37.21 | Frozen-Solid | kk thanks :D |
| 04:37.24 | wishie | deadcat: any other way to find what the keycode would be, apart from xev ? |
| 04:38.45 | wishie | it seems that xev cant find any of those buttons..strange. yet, when 'hotkeys' is loaded, most of them work |
| 04:38.50 | wishie | and in windows, all of them work. |
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| 04:41.21 | rosemary | maher no, but I can be I guess |
| 04:41.48 | rosemary | but I am on a different machine |
| 04:42.07 | rosemary | I'll try chat in debian, but not sure if network is up yet |
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| 04:42.25 | maher | rosemary: i was going to ask for a paste if /var/log/XFree86.?.log and XF86Config-4 |
| 04:43.40 | blahdeblah | Hi - can someone refresh my memory on what the newer alternatives to xmms are? |
| 04:44.19 | blahdeblah | BTW - GNOME media players preferred |
| 04:44.29 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: I like Muine |
| 04:44.43 | mwilson | blahdeblah: Wouldn't you rather have one that worked, instead? |
| 04:44.45 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: It's the first player I've found that properly supports multiple ARTIST tags in Vorbis |
| 04:44.59 | mwilson | The Gnome ones aren't known for that. |
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| 04:45.28 | blahdeblah | mwilson: I want one that will work even though my wife moves around all my MP3 files. :-) |
| 04:45.29 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm listening to music with Muine right now |
| 04:45.45 | alexscott | good night(asmg) |
| 04:45.49 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's a .NET app for GNOME -- oh no! :-P |
| 04:45.53 | mwilson | blahdeblah: She has access to them at all because...? |
| 04:45.59 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 04:46.19 | blahdeblah | Because we actually like /mostly/ the same music. |
| 04:46.24 | mwilson | So? |
| 04:46.39 | blahdeblah | Saves disk space :-) |
| 04:46.40 | wishie | are there any other programs that i can use to work out keycodes, apart from xev ? |
| 04:46.41 | Wyzard | hmm... is there a way, on the sarge install CD, to get a "tar" command that can actually *create* tar archives? The BusyBox built-in one can apparently only extract. |
| 04:46.41 | mwilson | She needs read-write access to the directory in order to play them? |
| 04:47.00 | mwilson | You're really not thinking this through. |
| 04:47.05 | blahdeblah | No, she's much better organised than i am. |
| 04:47.08 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 04:47.26 | blahdeblah | Anyway, is there a music player that will track media as it moves around? |
| 04:47.46 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: Muine rescans the directory when you restart it, and finds any new or removed files |
| 04:47.50 | rosemary | maher I'll get the network up, and come back maybelater, but more likely tomorrow depending how I go with network |
| 04:47.56 | mwilson | How do you expect it to know that it's been moved? Have it scan the entire filesystem? |
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| 04:48.03 | blahdeblah | Wyzard: I'll try it. |
| 04:48.05 | mwilson | Wyzard: Hopefully you can disable that. |
| 04:48.05 | mdh | blahdeblah: you could write a cron job that re-generates your playlist(s) |
| 04:48.07 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: I think FAM (or Gamin) support is in the works, so it'll eventually be able to notice changes without having to be restarted |
| 04:48.14 | Wyzard | mwilson: Why would I want it to? |
| 04:48.15 | blahdeblah | mwilson, no, just a fixed directory. |
| 04:48.30 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why wouldn't you want to? |
| 04:48.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: I like having it display all the music that's in my music directory |
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| 04:49.03 | FieldySnuts | fam can go away since it depends on portmapper |
| 04:49.06 | wishie | id want the option to turn that 'feature' off though |
| 04:49.24 | mwilson | I'm not interested in some application's opinion as to when it's time to waste time doing things like that instead of paying attention to the foreground. |
| 04:49.52 | mwilson | FAM is one of the stupidest ideas SGI ever had. |
| 04:49.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, it scans in the background; you can still use it while it's scanning |
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| 04:50.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: If you open the album listing fast enough, you can even see the album cover images appear one-at-a-time as it loads them |
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| 04:50.55 | eugenesan | hi all, i need initscripts to print their output to both vga-text and serial consoles. Any ideas how should i do this? |
| 04:50.56 | mwilson | That's something else I'd have to be able to turn off. Whyinhell would you care about the album covers? |
| 04:51.18 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's a good way to quickly recognize the album you're looking for in a long list |
| 04:51.25 | mdh | mwilson: album cover display is a DoS attack vector ;) |
| 04:51.29 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 04:51.40 | mwilson | mdh: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 04:51.47 | Wyzard | mwilson: I guess the feature you really wouldn't like is that if it doesn't find a Cover.jpg for an album, it'll attempt to look it up on Amazon and download their image of it :-) |
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| 04:51.52 | wishie | ive found that the Album Name is a pretty good way to identify an Album :) |
| 04:52.27 | mwilson | Wyzard: Amazingly enough, I learned the alphabet before kindergarten, and have no problem with recognizing a sorted list from an unsorted one. |
| 04:52.35 | Wyzard | wishie: That's the most reliable way, but it's a lot harder to read a line of text while you're scrolling rapidly through a list, than to recognize a picture |
| 04:52.47 | mdh | mwilson: imagine playing a song that appears on 50 different albums due to soundtracks, greatest hits, compilation cds, ... |
| 04:52.59 | wishie | and you cant type the first few letters to jump to an album ? |
| 04:53.07 | mdh | suddenly your X display is covered over by album cover pics ;) |
| 04:53.16 | Wyzard | wishie: You can, but that's the difference between searching and browsing |
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| 04:53.45 | wishie | but you were searching for an album, via its cover, correct ? |
| 04:53.52 | wishie | id tend to use the alphabet first. |
| 04:53.59 | wishie | sure, i think cd covers have their place |
| 04:54.04 | Wyzard | wishie: Or just browsing for an interesting one, without a specific one in mind |
| 04:54.13 | wishie | but i would also like the feature to be able to be disabled etc |
| 04:54.44 | mwilson | wishie: I imagine it's not... Gnome always has this idea that they know better than you how you should be using the computer. |
| 04:55.08 | wishie | mwilson: which is why i dont use gnome |
| 04:55.10 | Wyzard | wishie: I don't think the Amazon-auto-search feature has a way to be disabled, (but Muine is pre-1.0), but the way to "disable" the loading of cover images from disk is to just not put a cover image there in the first place |
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| 04:55.17 | blahdeblah | Geez - ask a simple question, get a whole discussion about why someone's way of recognising music is wrong. :-\ |
| 04:55.46 | wishie | Wyzard: thats not an option. |
| 04:55.55 | maher | blahdeblah: is there anything else you'd like to know you're wrong about? :) |
| 04:56.04 | wishie | what if i want album covers, but dont want them to be displayed all the time |
| 04:56.05 | mwilson | Personally, I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why the computer needs to be involved at all. |
| 04:56.09 | FieldySnuts | !irritate blahdeblah |
| 04:56.11 | dpkg | blahdeblah: hi every1 how can I make my knoppix werkz lol |
| 04:56.20 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: You must not come here often... we're all quite used to mwilson's criticism of GNOME and many other things :-) |
| 04:56.26 | wishie | i share a music collection with my freevo box, which shows album covers, but i dont want to be bothered with them on my desktop pc |
| 04:56.38 | blahdeblah | maher: I know i can always ask here if i want to know another area... |
| 04:56.43 | wishie | so im supposed to keep 2 copies of my mp3's ? one without covers, and one with ? |
| 04:57.07 | blahdeblah | Wyzard: pity mwilson can't actually offer a recommendation as to another player... ;-) |
| 04:57.12 | mwilson | wishie: MP3's can embed graphics? I thought that was a Vorbis stupidity. |
| 04:57.24 | wishie | mwilson: no, they cant |
| 04:57.24 | Wyzard | mwilson: Vorbis doesn't embed images |
| 04:57.33 | blahdeblah | BTW, Muine requires breaking my sarge desktop - any other suggestions? |
| 04:57.42 | blahdeblah | (i.e. Mono, etc.) |
| 04:57.52 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: What's wrong with Mono in sarge? |
| 04:58.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: I coulda sworn I read something today in Make. I'll have to look again. |
| 04:58.08 | wishie | mwilson: i was saying that i have a large mp3 collection, with album covers in their respective dirs. i _do_ want those covers to display on the freevo box, but not on my desktop |
| 04:58.15 | blahdeblah | apt-get install muine wants to pull in stuff from unstable |
| 04:58.25 | mwilson | blahdeblah: Unlikely. |
| 04:58.32 | mwilson | blahdeblah: Impossible, in fact. |
| 04:58.34 | Wyzard | mwilson: Ogg is a generic container format, so you could put an image in one as a separate stream, interleaved with the Vorbis audio |
| 04:58.46 | wishie | mwilson: and Wyzard was saying that to 'disable' the covers showing in that program he recommended, was to 'not have them in the directories" |
| 04:58.53 | mdh | is there a factoid on apt pinning? |
| 04:58.54 | blahdeblah | mwilson: what's unlikely/impossible? |
| 04:59.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell mdh -about pinning |
| 04:59.08 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: You shouldn't have put unstable in your sources.list if you didn't want to get packages from it :-) |
| 04:59.21 | blahdeblah | mdh: something like this? http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html |
| 04:59.23 | mwilson | blahdeblah: What you said. Assuming muine is in stable, which I have no idea about, it would not be pulling packages from unstable. |
| 04:59.27 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: aha... Muine is not in sarge |
| 04:59.30 | blahdeblah | Wyzard: i do, just not that many. |
| 04:59.40 | Wyzard | blahdeblah: so your apt is installing it, and thus its dependencies, from unstable |
| 04:59.46 | beardy | What's the difference between tell foo about, and tell foo -about? |
| 04:59.55 | mdh | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
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| 05:00.17 | mwilson | blahdeblah: As for a recommendation of another player... my usual approach is to drop the CD in the player on the desk behind me. |
| 05:00.30 | Wyzard | wishie: I don't understand why you'd specifically not want to have the covers shown if they're already available on disk |
| 05:00.37 | blahdeblah | So helpful - are you sure you don't work for Dogbert's tech support? |
| 05:00.47 | mwilson | blahdeblah: Why would I want or need the computer to be involved? |
| 05:00.51 | wishie | Wyzard: because its a desktop pc, from which i do work, and i cant be assed with cd covers |
| 05:01.03 | FieldySnuts | what a silly debate. and waste of time. |
| 05:01.10 | wishie | Wyzard: the freevo box is another story, as its a multimedia setup, designed for all the wanky eye candy crap |
| 05:01.15 | blahdeblah | FieldySnuts: i'm with you. |
| 05:01.17 | mdh | FieldySnuts: welcome to IRC ;) |
| 05:01.26 | FieldySnuts | though i agree with mwilson (not that it matters) |
| 05:01.27 | meichiko | hi there. i experience some problem installing azureus |
| 05:01.33 | Wyzard | wishie: I could understand not wanting to take the time to find and store the cover images... but if they're already there, I don't understand going out of your way to suppress them |
| 05:01.37 | wishie | Wyzard: why waste cpu cycles etc, when all i want to do on my desktop pc is work, and play music. i dont need covers. thats just wank. |
| 05:01.40 | FieldySnuts | it's a java "application" get used to it |
| 05:01.46 | blahdeblah | mdh: IRC doesn't *have* to be time wasting and unhelpful... |
| 05:02.01 | FieldySnuts | no it doesn't have to be. it just is by default. |
| 05:02.12 | Wyzard | wishie: Why waste CPU cycles running your IRC client? That's not work. :-P |
| 05:02.16 | meichiko | i had install java already with make-jpkg |
| 05:02.25 | maher | FieldySnuts: how do i set the useful option on irc? |
| 05:02.33 | wishie | Wyzard: well, i have all these left over cpu cycles, cause im not loading wanky cd covers |
| 05:02.34 | FieldySnuts | maher: by quitting |
| 05:02.44 | FieldySnuts | good move |
| 05:02.51 | FieldySnuts | note I didn't give him the command. don't blame me. |
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| 05:03.03 | Wyzard | wishie: FWIW, after it loads the images, it caches them for efficient access in the future |
| 05:03.04 | meichiko | azureus installed , but not working .. |
| 05:03.05 | beardy | heh |
| 05:03.16 | FieldySnuts | meichiko: this is us caring about a shitty java app. |
| 05:03.26 | wishie | Wyzard: oh, so it caches them on disk elsewhere ? taking up more hard disk space ? |
| 05:03.26 | FieldySnuts | and warez kiddie tool |
| 05:03.32 | mwilson | Wyzard: And it's more efficient to load them from a cache than to load them directly... how, exactly? |
| 05:03.57 | wishie | or perhaps it just caches them in ram..and wastes a bit of that |
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| 05:04.11 | Wyzard | wishie: No, .db file on disk, probably BDB |
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| 05:04.25 | meichiko | umm .. so i am not suppose to ask azereus here? |
| 05:04.36 | FieldySnuts | !samir |
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| 05:04.41 | FieldySnuts | or not |
| 05:04.48 | FieldySnuts | apt: samir? |
| 05:04.48 | apt | No one is this country can ever pronounce my name right. It's not that hard: Nayee-Nanajar. Nayeenanajar. |
| 05:04.49 | tatoo | does anybody here know how to activate direct rendering on ati radeon drivers using X.org? |
| 05:04.52 | FieldySnuts | there |
| 05:04.54 | mdh | meichiko: you might get further if you say exactly what your problem is. |
| 05:04.57 | mwilson | meichiko: Ask whatever you like. Just don't be surprised that people don't sympathize with a thief. |
| 05:05.01 | tatoo | #debian-br |
| 05:05.11 | Wyzard | mwilson: Probably by providing efficient lookup of image from album ID... the initial scanning guesses which album the JPEG goes with by (I believe) looking at the tags of the other files in the same directory |
| 05:05.19 | wishie | Wyzard: but why on earth would i want to a) load the images b) cache the images c) display the images, when what i want to do, is listen to music, not look at cd covers. |
| 05:05.27 | sameer | hi people ..can antivirus software in linux detect windows viruses |
| 05:05.32 | FieldySnuts | sameer: yes |
| 05:05.37 | Wyzard | wishie: You don't, so don't use Muine. End of story. |
| 05:05.57 | Wyzard | wishie: Don't criticize others from having different preferences than you, and writing applications which embody those preferences. |
| 05:06.05 | sameer | FieldySnuts : how good will they be as compares to norton or mcafee |
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| 05:06.11 | FieldySnuts | s/writing\ applications/wasting\ time/ |
| 05:06.13 | wishie | Wyzard: but you dont agree that it should be optional to enable/disable these 'features' ? |
| 05:06.23 | FieldySnuts | sameer: not sure as I haven't used the others |
| 05:06.38 | meichiko | how come i am a thief by using .. azerues .. there are many *nix distro which use bt for distribution ... |
| 05:06.41 | mdh | sameer: the whole point of anti-virus software in linux is to detect windows viruses |
| 05:06.48 | Wyzard | wishie: I agree it would be important in order to serve a wider base of users, including you |
| 05:06.56 | meichiko | ok .. i stop asking abt it here. |
| 05:07.06 | Wyzard | wishie: But the current userbase of Muine apparently doesn't see it as a high priority for themselves |
| 05:07.10 | FieldySnuts | mdh: ploink. wrong. there ARE linux viruses and worms and trojans, they are just rare and extremely ineffective |
| 05:07.13 | mdh | sameer: so you can run it on a box that can't be infected with said virus first, disabling or tampering with the antivirus capability |
| 05:07.20 | Wyzard | wishie: (Or maybe it's planned but just not implemented yet... it *is* pre-1.0, after all) |
| 05:07.22 | wishie | Wyzard: did you ask the current userbase ? |
| 05:07.32 | wishie | ok, now im just stirring |
| 05:07.36 | sameer | mdh : yes ur right |
| 05:07.39 | Wyzard | wishie: No, I'm using a sample size of two: the deveoper and myself |
| 05:07.44 | mwilson | Wyzard: But the current Muine userbase is largely Gnome, and therefore does whatever they're told. |
| 05:07.54 | Wyzard | mwilson: Now you're just trolling |
| 05:07.54 | sameer | mdh : can u suggest me some antivirus tool in linux that would be good.. |
| 05:08.09 | wishie | haha |
| 05:08.10 | sameer | mdh : im using clamav and aegis.. are they good |
| 05:08.12 | mdh | sameer: if you want to fork out cash, get F-Secure Antivirus |
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| 05:08.24 | mdh | sameer: otherwise get clamav |
| 05:08.30 | wishie | well, xev seems to give me jack |
| 05:08.37 | sameer | mdh: is clamav good .. |
| 05:08.45 | mdh | sameer: yes |
| 05:09.08 | sameer | mdh : thanx |
| 05:09.16 | wishie | i need a way to find the keycodes for the 'extra' keys on my keyboard. but xev doesnt show them. but when i use the 'hotkeys' program, most of the keys work fine, except for the ones i cant figure out the keycodes for. |
| 05:09.20 | mdh | sameer: some people are claiming clamav is better than most of the competition |
| 05:09.28 | mdh | sameer: including the $$$ ones |
| 05:09.37 | sameer | mdh : ok that sounds cool |
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| 05:09.46 | mwilson | wishie: Welcome to keyboard driver fun 101 |
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| 05:10.01 | sameer | mdh: where can i get some virus infected files which i can test using clamav.. |
| 05:10.13 | mdh | sameer: use the EICAR test file |
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| 05:10.16 | wishie | mwilson: isnt xev supposed to show all input though ? |
| 05:10.29 | sameer | mdh: where can i get that |
| 05:10.45 | mdh | sameer: if it doesn't come with it, which would be surprising, google for it |
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| 05:10.57 | mwilson | wishie: xev is suppoosed to show all input that the keyboard driver provides. If the kernel doesn't pass the key, it's not going to be recognized. |
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| 05:11.47 | mwilson | wishie: xev is a high-level app, not a low-level one that talks to the keyboard directly. |
| 05:11.51 | wishie | mwilson: but when i load 'hotkeys' some of the keys that xev cant recognise, work. |
| 05:11.53 | meichiko | how can i enable xtranset and xcomposite on xorg |
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| 05:12.01 | meichiko | is there any package for that? |
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| 05:12.12 | chaimj | OT: I think my AMD M/B is fried (KB dies after bootup) |
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| 05:12.15 | Wyzard | meichiko: They're not packaged yet |
| 05:12.25 | mwilson | wishie: hotkeys probably switches keyboard modes. Looking at the source will tell you. |
| 05:12.36 | meichiko | any other un-official package? |
| 05:12.40 | sameer | mdh : what bout aegis |
| 05:12.51 | sameer | mdh : and fprot |
| 05:13.17 | FieldySnuts | more like #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 05:13.20 | dscvlt | i'm trying to do a network install from floppies on my old thinkpad laptop. when i try to set up pcmcia support for the etherlink card, it errors with "insmod: /target/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o: No such file or directory |
| 05:13.23 | mwilson | And crappix has one? |
| 05:13.38 | fortysixand2 | does firefox 1.0.6 really require GCC 4.0? |
| 05:13.38 | Wyzard | mwilson: yes, it does... I've used it in the past |
| 05:13.39 | wishie | mwilson: just seems like a daemon that watches for events.. |
| 05:13.55 | mwilson | wishie: xev isn't a daemon. |
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| 05:14.04 | wishie | mwilson: no, hotkeys. |
| 05:14.20 | mwilson | wishie: Ah, so you didn't look at the source, then. |
| 05:14.34 | FieldySnuts | sometimes those extra keys expect a peice of additional software to pick up the signal (non-standard), which almost always is on windows only |
| 05:14.57 | sameer | any people who have used xrender |
| 05:15.31 | Wyzard | sameer: XRender is an X protocol extension that's used by apps... not a program that you use directly |
| 05:15.46 | sameer | Wyzard : how can i use it |
| 05:15.53 | wishie | mwilson: not as yet, no, but then again, i wouldnt know what im looking for |
| 05:15.58 | Wyzard | sameer: What are you trying to do? |
| 05:16.14 | mwilson | wishie: Then don't make statements about what it is, and what it isn't. |
| 05:16.17 | tatoo | does anybody here know how to activate direct rendering on ati radeon drivers using X.org? |
| 05:16.21 | sameer | Wyzard : i want to get transparent windows so someone told me i can go for xrender |
| 05:16.42 | Wyzard | sameer: You're thinking of Composite |
| 05:16.54 | mwilson | An example from one of the .def files... : The extra keys need to be enabled by sending the bytes 0xea and 0x71 to port 0x60 using the standard keyboard protocol. |
| 05:17.12 | mwilson | I imagine others are similar... I only looked at a couple. |
| 05:17.17 | Wyzard | sameer: That's in xorg, which is currently in unstable but not stable or testing, and to activate it you need the tools "xcompmgr" and "transset", which are not packaged yet |
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| 05:17.46 | akhthar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.46 | akhthar | not able to view the processes of other users from a user's shell(bash) |
| 05:17.49 | sameer | Wyzard : how can i get transparent windows in xfree |
| 05:17.55 | Wyzard | sameer: You can't |
| 05:17.55 | akhthar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.55 | akhthar | not able to view the processes of other users from a user's shell(bash) |
| 05:18.00 | sameer | Wyzard : or any other way somehow |
| 05:18.10 | wishie | mwilson: well, the hotkeys page even says its a daemon. and ive noticed that someone else has also commented that xev doesnt show all the keycodes. |
| 05:18.32 | Wyzard | sameer: Some apps (mostly terminal apps) provide a pseudo-transparency that works by taking a screenshot of the desktop background and tinting it, but that's the best that's possible in XFree86 |
| 05:18.43 | Wyzard | akhthar: Recompile the kernel with that feature disabled |
| 05:19.00 | sameer | Wyzard : thanx |
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| 05:19.03 | mwilson | wishie: You just refuse to get the point, do you? You can't get your head around the idea that the keyboard may not be SENDING a keycode for that key unless it's told to. |
| 05:19.06 | tvn | recompile the kernel !!!! <rolling eyes> |
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| 05:19.20 | sameer | mdh: can i clean the affected virus files |
| 05:19.22 | Wyzard | tvn: If he has grsec, he's using a custom kernel already |
| 05:19.30 | sameer | mdh: using clamav |
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| 05:19.44 | mwilson | wishie: That key may be DEAD without some operation that hotkeys may do, that the kernel almost certainly does not. |
| 05:19.56 | beardy | wishie: showkey, as root |
| 05:19.58 | dscvlt | in the installer, how do i load the "net-drivers.img" disk? |
| 05:20.11 | wishie | mwilson: so im supposed to figure out the keycodes how ? ,, |
| 05:20.15 | wishie | beardy: ill try that. |
| 05:20.16 | beardy | wishie: in a linux terminal, not X |
| 05:20.32 | mdh | sameer: as far as I know, yes. f-prot is the old command-line version of F-Secure Antivirus. It's not really up-to-date anymore with definitions |
| 05:20.36 | wishie | ok |
| 05:20.40 | mwilson | wishie: <shrug> Beats me. Buy a documented keyboard. |
| 05:21.06 | sameer | mdh : where can i get more info on clamav .. is there any channel |
| 05:21.13 | meichiko | sameer, you can try other window managers , FVWM , Enlightenment , Fluxbox |
| 05:21.26 | meichiko | they support transparent windows on title and border |
| 05:21.29 | mwilson | sameer: You wouldn't want to read the documentation it comes with, of course. |
| 05:21.42 | meichiko | and mrxvt if u like transparent terminal |
| 05:21.43 | mwilson | sameer: Or the remarkably complete web site devoted to it, either. |
| 05:21.45 | sameer | meichiko : im doing a dedicated app without window managers |
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| 05:22.15 | sameer | mwilson : whats the site |
| 05:22.16 | meichiko | u mean? u developing dedicated app? |
| 05:22.35 | mwilson | sameer: Do I look like Google to you? |
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| 05:23.05 | sameer | mwilson : eh... sorry :-) |
| 05:23.15 | mwilson | sameer: You're not. |
| 05:23.19 | Debuser | Is there a way of seeing what services/programs a certain user is using/running? |
| 05:23.23 | Wyzard | meichiko: Not true transparency though, which is what he was asking about |
| 05:23.24 | wishie | beardy: that seemed to respond to every key that i pressed.. |
| 05:23.32 | Wyzard | Debuser: man ps |
| 05:23.37 | rob_lt | Debuser: ps aux | grep <username> |
| 05:23.39 | wishie | now to work out wtf 0x81 etc is, in relation to 'keycodes' |
| 05:23.51 | Wyzard | wishie: I think 0x81 is a prefix code |
| 05:24.02 | Wyzard | wishie: I have some special keys which send a 2-byte sequence that begins with 0x81 |
| 05:24.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's not any more true transparency, just because the X server does it, than if the application is doing it by looking at the root window. |
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| 05:24.48 | wishie | bbs, picking up gf from work |
| 05:25.00 | Wyzard | mwilson: The difference is when you put another window underneath the pseudo-transparent window... since there's no actual compositing being done, you still see the tinted root window, not the window that's actually behind it |
| 05:25.12 | mwilson | Wyzard: It just means that we can now drag down all applications *equally*, rather than just those faking transparency. |
| 05:25.14 | beardy | wishie: Didn't it say, "Unknown scancode" and then a pair of codes? When you pressed and released an unknown key? |
| 05:25.36 | wishie | beardy: for some of them, yeah |
| 05:25.49 | wishie | beardy: most of them it seemed to recognise..ill look more when i get back |
| 05:26.04 | Wyzard | mwilson: I've seen a screenshot of your desktop once and IIRC you have some "transparent" terms positioned directly over your root window... try opening another one of those and dragging it around in front of other windows |
| 05:26.08 | beardy | wishie: Do that, the manpage is a good bet too. |
| 05:26.27 | dscvlt | where can i get the "Rescue Floppy" image? |
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| 05:26.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: I have no transparent terms whatsoever. |
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| 05:26.51 | Wyzard | mwilson: OK, I must've been thinking of someone else's screenshot, sorry |
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| 05:27.11 | mwilson | Wyzard: xterm does not support pseudo-transparency. |
| 05:27.15 | GoRi||a | hey, i got a tvtuner card, and all the channels are off by one...its a brooktree based card |
| 05:27.17 | GoRi||a | any ideas? |
| 05:27.34 | Wyzard | mwilson: No, but rxvt and some other popular ones do... that's what I figure was used in whatever screenshot I'm thinking of |
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| 05:27.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: Even gnome-terminal does, though I stick with the plain readable white background |
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| 05:28.25 | mwilson | You actually use g-t? You have my sympathy. |
| 05:29.44 | Wyzard | mwilson: Incidentally, the Composite-based approach has the advantage that it's possible for the desktop display (including all the transparency/compositing) has the possibility of being done in hardware |
| 05:29.52 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's no less "pseudo" just because the X server, which has knowledge of all the windows, composited them together, rather than the application, which does not. |
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| 05:30.46 | dscvlt | the debian installer is asking me to place the "Rescue Floppy" in the floppy drive. where do I get this floppy from? I can't find it on any of the mirrors |
| 05:30.46 | Wyzard | mwilson: I suppose... but it's not the way transparent objects appear in the real world, and not the way one would expect them to work in X |
| 05:31.01 | beardy | dscvlt: Which rescue floppy? |
| 05:31.03 | Wyzard | dscvlt: It's the name of the installer boot floppy |
| 05:31.04 | mwilson | Now, if you want to talk about a hardware system that actually has multiple video planes, rather than a single framebuffer, then we'll talk about real transparency. |
| 05:31.14 | dscvlt | to install device drivers |
| 05:31.25 | beardy | dscvlt: Ah, it probably means a blank floppy that is going to become a rescue floppy. |
| 05:31.30 | dfm | hi again |
| 05:31.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: Drawing the desktop using OpenGL isn't far from that |
| 05:31.56 | mwilson | Actually, it's about as far from that as you can get. |
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| 05:31.59 | dscvlt | the boot.img disk doesn't work |
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| 05:32.46 | dscvlt | the documentation says If you're installing from floppies, you'll need to feed in the rescue floppy (which is probably already in the drive), followed by the driver floppies. |
| 05:33.47 | Wyzard | dscvlt: That should be the boot.img |
| 05:34.03 | dfm | first: ipmasq should do all the firewall/masquerading/forwarding stuff in sarge |
| 05:34.18 | Wyzard | (though I haven't installed from floppy in years, and the procedure might have changed in woody or sarge) |
| 05:34.54 | sepski | dfm ever heard of iptables ? :) |
| 05:35.05 | dfm | second: am i stupid or is there no expedient manual about creating rules for portforwarding with ipmasq |
| 05:35.08 | dfm | plz help |
| 05:35.21 | dfm | i'm almost finished |
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| 05:35.34 | OldakQuill | Could someone give the name of screenshot software contained in Debian? |
| 05:35.43 | Wyzard | dfm: man ipmasq-rule |
| 05:35.45 | sepski | dfm, why not use one of the excelent firewall scripts such as shorewall. makes maintaining your firewall that much easier. |
| 05:35.50 | dfm | did so |
| 05:35.59 | Wyzard | sepski: I recommend FireHOL over Shorewall |
| 05:36.12 | Wyzard | sepski: but I've been told that ipmasq is even simpler, for basic NAT setups |
| 05:36.15 | sepski | Wyzard, i recomend the other way, but perhaps my needs are different |
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| 05:36.24 | OldakQuill | Anyone? |
| 05:36.40 | dfm | the information provided there is useless to me. |
| 05:36.48 | Wyzard | sepski: Probably... I suspect there's stuff that Shorewall can do that FireHOL can't, but I don't have any need to do those things, and FireHOL's configuration is much more succinct and readable IMO |
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| 05:36.55 | beardy | OldakQuill: scrot, the gimp |
| 05:37.42 | Wyzard | dfm: Maybe use firehol instead of ipmasq then |
| 05:37.56 | dfm | assuming i'd install firehol, what should i expect? |
| 05:37.58 | infie | Is it possible to get tell lilo (installed to what may as well be a HDD) to boot from a usb device? |
| 05:38.02 | dfm | a nice frontend |
| 05:38.07 | infie | eg, root=/dev/sda1? |
| 05:38.19 | dfm | or man-page-reading until death? ;) |
| 05:38.27 | Wyzard | dfm: No, a config file, with a fairly succinct configuration language |
| 05:39.03 | sepski | infie, i think your motherboard bios have to handle that. |
| 05:39.28 | Wyzard | dfm: For a standalone system that doesn't do any routing, I'd say you could successfully configure FireHOL without any knowledge of TCP/IP |
| 05:39.31 | infie | it doesn't want to boot from the USB for some reason... |
| 05:39.39 | infie | although it allegedly supports it |
| 05:39.43 | Wyzard | dfm: For a router, though, it's slightly more complex, and it helps to understand networking a bit |
| 05:39.56 | dfm | mhm... |
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| 05:41.30 | Wyzard | dfm: http://pastebin.ca/18325 -- my FireHOL config on my router |
| 05:42.05 | sameer | mdh :are there any development libraries for clamav |
| 05:43.00 | mfrisch | how do auto log on with ssh |
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| 05:43.30 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Use public-key authentication, and either cache your key in ssh-agent, or don't put a password on it |
| 05:44.33 | mfrisch | Wyzard thought I was put pub key in authorized_keys there is no pass |
| 05:45.01 | infie | hrm, fiddling with USB Legacy Support Disabled -> Enabled fixed problem |
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| 05:45.10 | Wyzard | mfrisch: That's the correct way to use pubkey authentication with SSH |
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| 05:45.30 | Hostile | so whats the status, xorg still break nvidia-glx? |
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| 05:45.53 | Wyzard | Hostile: I'm using xorg and nvidia right now |
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| 05:46.33 | dfm | wyzard: there's a package called portfwd, which seems optimal. though it does not work. it manipulates iptables of course so do i have to reinitialize or reboot (i'm a win2k-user still). |
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| 05:47.13 | Wyzard | dfm: No, you don't need to reboot when you change iptables rules |
| 05:47.27 | dfm | damn... |
| 05:47.28 | Wyzard | dfm: (btw, *all* Linux firewall packages are just frontends to generating iptables rules) |
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| 05:47.48 | dfm | i already got that far :) |
| 05:48.23 | dfm | i must become an iptables expert. |
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| 05:48.56 | shaiW | what's the name of the KDE package menagement app? |
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| 05:49.36 | ke6isf | shaiW: kpackage? |
| 05:50.12 | wingot | how do I modify my startup scripts to mount a HDD on startup? |
| 05:50.23 | Wyzard | wingot: /etc/fstab |
| 05:50.27 | Wyzard | wingot: man fstab |
| 05:50.40 | wingot | cheers |
| 05:51.21 | dfm | every time my router starts, ipmasq is executed. i dont want to deinstall ipmasq, so where are "autostart"-things located? i only know that there are many locations. |
| 05:51.39 | Wyzard | dfm: If you don't want to use ipmasq, just uninstall it |
| 05:51.55 | dfm | ok |
| 05:51.59 | dfm | i've just started with linux/debian so plz be patient |
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| 05:52.09 | dasunt | Is there a debian package with all of the RFCs? |
| 05:52.31 | dondelelcaro | dasunt: see doc-rfc |
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| 05:53.23 | mdh | sameer: I believe so, yes |
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| 05:53.52 | sepski | dfm, startup files are located in /etc/init.d, to activate the files they are symlinked into /etc/rc2.d use the tool update-rc.d to modify what starts and stops at the different runlevels. |
| 05:54.12 | secher | anyone here offended by sexist jokes? |
| 05:54.17 | sepski | dfm, i would have just uninstalled it. |
| 05:54.19 | secher | got a good one... |
| 05:54.37 | The_Vulture | secher: It's best you just go sit quietly in the corner then. |
| 05:54.42 | Wyzard | secher: This isn't #sexist-jokes... don't join just to tell a joke |
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| 05:55.00 | sepski | secher, statisticaly from the 700 in here the must be someone. and it would be way off topic |
| 05:55.06 | dfm | thx |
| 05:55.27 | secher | I'm not, it should be in fortune... ok, Ok, good point.. if anyone wants to hear it, I'll post to #flood |
| 05:55.33 | dfm | something offtopic: what means "boogie down" - i'm a german, still learning... |
| 05:55.39 | Wyzard | dfm: Don't confuse the issue... unless you're just temporarily disabling ipmasq and plan on continuing to use it in the near future, just uninstall it |
| 05:55.59 | dasunt | dondelelcaro: Odd, that doesn't seem to be in my list of packages on my mirror (stable, including non-free) |
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| 05:56.13 | dondelelcaro | !info doc-rfc |
| 05:56.15 | dpkg | doc-rfc: (Migration Pseudo-Package), section non-free/doc, is optional. Version: 20030621-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 05:56.30 | dasunt | Ah, sid. |
| 05:57.11 | ke6isf | dfm: According to the Urban Dictionary, it's The Bronx, a borough of New York City. |
| 05:57.53 | chealer | shaiW: ask #debian-kde |
| 05:58.33 | dasunt | dondelelcaro: Thanks again. |
| 05:59.07 | dondelelcaro | dasunt: np |
| 05:59.27 | dfm | nice, urbandictionary.com - that's something i was looking for. thx |
| 05:59.42 | ke6isf | dfm: Gladly. |
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| 06:00.54 | dfm | wyzard: i think, ipmasq will modify iptables at every startup. since i want to understand the basics - get into iptables - i must deactivate ipmasq. |
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| 06:01.46 | Wyzard | dfm: It's good to understand how iptables works, but you shouldn't need to write custom iptables rules if you use a good firewall package |
| 06:02.08 | Wyzard | dfm: and rules that you write by hand will almost certainly not be as robust as the ones generated by the firewall |
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| 06:02.41 | dfm | wyzard: good point. i guess i'll try fireHOL |
| 06:02.48 | mdh | Wyzard: every firewall package I've used... that's all of them packaged in debian and some other's I've pulled down, have required modification to iptables commands in order for my situation to work |
| 06:03.11 | secher | did the setiathome move to boinc break the setiathome .deb? I just tried an apt-get install of setiathome and got a post-installlation error during the setup. |
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| 06:03.18 | LongNight | can anyone tell me why my virtual consoles are missing (ctrl-alt-F1... does not work anymore) after a kernel upgrade ? |
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| 06:03.56 | Wyzard | mdh: Custom rules may be appropriate for specialized needs if you know what you're doing, but dfm is a beginner trying to set up a basic NAT |
| 06:03.58 | beardy | LongNight: Have you compiled your own? |
| 06:04.02 | LongNight | yes |
| 06:04.04 | mdh | LongNight: does your /etc/inittab point to the right devices for those terminals? |
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| 06:04.17 | beardy | LongNight: You forgot to include support for them then. |
| 06:04.52 | LongNight | my .config file has CONFIG_VT=y |
| 06:05.11 | dfm | how can i mark text, copy and paste it? |
| 06:05.20 | LongNight | my /etc/inittab has 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 ... etc.. seems normal |
| 06:05.24 | Woofuls | dfm: Left mouse button, hold and drag? |
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| 06:05.33 | dfm | w/out mouse |
| 06:05.35 | dfm | :) |
| 06:06.04 | Woofuls | dfm: haha, interesting... output and use vim? |
| 06:06.17 | dfm | currently using putty, so mousedragging (copy) and rightmouse (paste) work fine... |
| 06:06.36 | dfm | woofuls: what do you mean? |
| 06:06.40 | LongNight | mdh .. how do I tell if /etc/inittab point to the right devices .. says tty1, tty2 etc .. |
| 06:06.59 | mdh | LongNight: does /dev/tty1 exist? |
| 06:07.12 | mdh | LongNight: hint: it won't if you use devfs |
| 06:07.16 | simonrvn | /dev/tty* is useful |
| 06:07.20 | Woofuls | dfm: I meant like, if configure was saying something weird, you could go like ./configure > somefile and then vim somefile and select line thingy... |
| 06:07.25 | simonrvn | (stating the obvious again) |
| 06:07.47 | LongNight | /dev/tty1 exists |
| 06:07.58 | Woofuls | dfm: Anyway, nevermind |
| 06:07.58 | mdh | dfm: apt-get install screen |
| 06:08.00 | simonrvn | yay, good |
| 06:08.04 | dondelelcaro | or better, look at the configure.log |
| 06:08.21 | dfm | well... i was glad if i knew what ./configure does and i would feel like a newborn god if i could compile a kernel by myself. |
| 06:08.32 | dfm | mdh: what is screen? |
| 06:08.38 | simonrvn | dfm: the feeling passes hoepfully =) |
| 06:08.44 | simonrvn | hopefully even |
| 06:08.47 | dfm | :) |
| 06:08.49 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 06:09.07 | Wyzard | Nah, I agree, it's a good idea to know how to use a configure script and build a package from source |
| 06:09.09 | mdh | dfm: its main functionality is to provide virtual terminals in a single window - but it has the ability to let you mark, copy, & paste text |
| 06:09.24 | Wyzard | It's also good to know that actually doing that should be avoided if packages are available |
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| 06:09.38 | Woofuls | Wyzard: That is a good lesson! |
| 06:09.41 | LongNight | mdh .. when I crtl-alt-F1 etc. it gives me a black screen .. but no Login prompt .. Ctrl-alt-F7 returns me to X |
| 06:09.50 | mdh | dfm: another brilliant feature is being able to detach that terminal then reattach to it later |
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| 06:10.30 | mdh | LongNight: I understand. can you check your log files and see what getty is whinging about? |
| 06:10.33 | x^equa|s1 | how can i set different umask setting of different directories? |
| 06:10.50 | Wyzard | x^equa|s1: If you mean the permissions, use "ls -ld" |
| 06:10.55 | dfm | mdh: when i install sarge on my desktop, the first thing i'm going to do is apt-get install screen |
| 06:10.56 | x^equa|s1 | yeah |
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| 06:11.22 | dondelelcaro | x^equa|s1: change your umask, or use a shell that can change your umask based on which directory you're in. |
| 06:11.25 | SDFH_Linux | guys how i install nvidia driver in stable? what repos i use? |
| 06:11.37 | kingsley_ | Is there a command line tool that uses .mailcap and .mime.types to open email attachments within attachments? |
| 06:11.56 | dabaR | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.06 | Wyzard | !tell SDFH_Linux about nvidia installer |
| 06:12.25 | x^equa|s1 | dondelelcaro: I am wanting to use a umask of 0077 by default, but on some dirs i want to use 0022, what shell would i need to use? |
| 06:12.52 | SDFH_Linux | so is it the best way to find a repos or dl the actual drivers? |
| 06:12.53 | dondelelcaro | x^equa|s1: you can do it using bash by making a cd function that does something useful |
| 06:13.09 | mdh | oh dear. was ncurses-base *meant* to remove all the useful terminfo entries? |
| 06:13.10 | Woofuls | !tell Woofuls about nvidia installer |
| 06:13.32 | x^equa|s1 | dondelelcaro: how that an idea... |
| 06:13.35 | chealer | !tell Woofuls about msg the bot |
| 06:13.40 | x^equa|s1 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:13.45 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: use stable |
| 06:13.46 | Woofuls | Sorry |
| 06:13.51 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Install the "nvidia-glx" and "nvidia-kernel-source" packages, which are in non-free, and use make-kpkg to build the kernel module |
| 06:14.03 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Sorry, module-assistant, not make-kpkg |
| 06:14.05 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: that implies ignoring andrew schulman $NVDIST stuff |
| 06:14.20 | LongNight | mdh ... in auth.log I get mgetty errors "init chat failed, exiting. ..." then .. "failed in mg_init_data, dev=ttyUSB0, pid=7108" |
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| 06:14.34 | SDFH_Linux | what do i have to add in my sources list |
| 06:14.40 | LongNight | why ttyUSB0 ? |
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| 06:14.48 | Woofuls | I'm wondering why there isn't a Debian forum? |
| 06:14.53 | SDFH_Linux | i want to keep this totally stable debian |
| 06:15.09 | chealer | !forums |
| 06:15.09 | dpkg | from memory, forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 06:15.11 | dondelelcaro | Woofuls: there are some, but there aren't any official ones. |
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| 06:15.23 | dondelelcaro | (whatever official means) |
| 06:15.25 | Woofuls | Why aren't there any offical ones? |
| 06:15.37 | chealer | Woofuls: official "forums" are mailing lists |
| 06:15.38 | dondelelcaro | Woofuls: because they're generally considered to be lame. We have mailing lists. |
| 06:15.45 | ke6isf | Woofuls: Because we keep to MLs. |
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| 06:15.54 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: depending on what you have. probably non-free |
| 06:15.57 | ke6isf | Woofuls: They're simpler to deal with. |
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| 06:16.20 | SDFH_Linux | guys the only repos i got is what you get during stable install |
| 06:16.21 | Woofuls | ke6isf: Okay, that works, I suppose |
| 06:16.38 | SDFH_Linux | what other repos do i add to keep it stable but get the mod assist and nvidia driver |
| 06:16.45 | simonrvn | with m-a it was too easy. i'm used to "oh gawds, gotta compile another external kernel module *sigh*"... sometimes it's nice to take a break ;) |
| 06:16.47 | mdh | LongNight: mgetty is a dial-in program, ttyUSB0 might be the first serial line its discovered |
| 06:16.52 | SDFH_Linux | plz give me the exact line |
| 06:17.01 | SDFH_Linux | to put in sources.list |
| 06:17.52 | simonrvn | to do what? |
| 06:18.10 | simonrvn | oh, add non-free and contrib |
| 06:18.18 | simonrvn | ...after main |
| 06:18.25 | liable | SDFH_Linux: just append non-free to the end of your main line. (leave a space) |
| 06:18.25 | SDFH_Linux | give me the exact lines to put plz |
| 06:18.30 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:18.31 | LongNight | ok .. that makes sense .. so why the missing VCs ? |
| 06:18.49 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: In your /etc/apt/sources, replace "main" with "main contrib non-free". |
| 06:19.14 | SDFH_Linux | to both of them? or one of them |
| 06:19.23 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: To *all* of them. |
| 06:19.29 | SDFH_Linux | all three? |
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| 06:19.42 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: It's a matter of doing a simple search-and-replace on the entire file. |
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| 06:20.27 | simonrvn | in vim, e.g.: <esc>:%s/main/main contrib non-free/g then check it |
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| 06:20.54 | ke6isf | in emacs, M-x replace-string (enter), main, main contrib non-free |
| 06:20.57 | simonrvn | should be only official sources that get the change |
| 06:21.14 | simonrvn | (need a factoid =) |
| 06:22.09 | simonrvn | there is one :) |
| 06:22.15 | simonrvn | .!non-free |
| 06:22.22 | simonrvn | please use /msg |
| 06:23.58 | SDFH_Linux | guys is the 2.6.11 kernel stable? |
| 06:24.07 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: Is it in stable? |
| 06:24.12 | simonrvn | define stable |
| 06:24.13 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: It's not in sarge, the current stable release, if that's what you mean |
| 06:24.19 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: But it's released by kernel.org |
| 06:24.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:24.29 | SDFH_Linux | i have a p4 ht i guess i am going to use the 2.6.8 smp kernel |
| 06:24.35 | SDFH_Linux | to stay stable only |
| 06:24.37 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: yep, that's the one to use |
| 06:24.48 | SDFH_Linux | 2.6.8smp |
| 06:24.49 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 06:25.15 | kingsley_ | Can any tool convert a PDF file into MS Word or WordPerfect format? |
| 06:25.25 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Very unlikely |
| 06:25.46 | ke6isf | kingsley_: You're more likely to find one that goes pdf2sxw. |
| 06:26.10 | Wyzard | kingsley_: PDF is basically a description of where to put ink on paper; it doesn't contain logical structure like a word-processor document does |
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| 06:26.19 | kingsley_ | ke6isf: What's sxw? |
| 06:26.29 | ke6isf | kingsley_: OpenOffice.org's writer format. |
| 06:26.31 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Oh. |
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| 06:27.56 | ke6isf | blarg, gotta go to work tomorrow. |
| 06:28.43 | oguz | hi, when i press alt+f2 the run application dialog doesnt open and it is crushed, i am using unstable and have installed it already, how can i fix it? |
| 06:28.57 | deadcat | oguz: what manager? |
| 06:29.05 | Wyzard | oguz: Works for me, in GNOME in unstable |
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| 06:29.22 | dscvlt | google does a decent job of pdf to html |
| 06:29.28 | ^Hostile^ | so whats the status, xorg still break nvidia-glx? |
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| 06:29.35 | deadcat | i dont know. i map alt+esc using xbindkeys |
| 06:29.44 | oguz | deadcat, the application window that appears whan you press alt+f2 to run an application |
| 06:29.45 | deadcat | hostile no. works here. |
| 06:29.47 | cemaq | hi |
| 06:29.50 | dfm | wyzard: when i use firehol, will it interfere with ipmasq? |
| 06:29.57 | oguz | Wyzard, but it is not working for me |
| 06:30.10 | mdh | dfm: yes |
| 06:30.11 | deadcat | oguz: what manager you using? |
| 06:30.17 | oguz | deadcat, nautilus |
| 06:30.25 | oguz | deadcat, gnome2.10 |
| 06:30.33 | deadcat | oguz: no clue. Wyzard might know |
| 06:30.35 | mdh | dfm: 'ipmasq' the package is another firewall tool like firehol. only use one. |
| 06:30.45 | oguz | deadcat, i upgrade the system via apt-pinning from testing to unstable |
| 06:31.07 | oguz | Wyzard, do you have any idea why this run application crashes |
| 06:31.07 | dabaR | can I use alsamixer or something similar? |
| 06:31.16 | Wyzard | dfm: Probably... the idea is to use firehol *instead* of ipmasq |
| 06:31.16 | deadcat | oguz: now you know whats unstable means |
| 06:31.21 | Wyzard | oguz: nope |
| 06:31.40 | mdh | oguz: you might have a half-half system with gnome 2.8 libs from testing and 2.10 from unstable |
| 06:31.52 | SDFH_Linux | i have learned my lesson about unstable |
| 06:31.52 | oguz | deadcat, yes, i used it because i needed gnome-python2.10 :) |
| 06:31.54 | SDFH_Linux | brb |
| 06:31.58 | Wyzard | oguz: You could track down what program actually runs when you press that key, the program that displays the Run dialog, and run it under strace to see what's going wrong |
| 06:32.03 | oguz | mdh, it sounds logical |
| 06:32.06 | deadcat | oguz: then you on your own |
| 06:32.12 | cemaq | how to can i get a console with my kyevoard? because my computer is running (i'm from there), but the keyboard doesn't respont |
| 06:32.26 | Wyzard | oguz: It's generally a bad idea to upgrade to unstable just to get a newer version of some package |
| 06:32.33 | mdh | oguz: if you want to move from testing to unstable, erase any pinning and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:32.44 | deadcat | cemaq: ctrl+alt+f1 maybe? |
| 06:32.57 | cemaq | no, that doesn't work |
| 06:33.08 | deadcat | cemaq: you on your own |
| 06:33.13 | cemaq | nor NumLock, Caps... |
| 06:33.13 | dfm | cemaq: connect via ssh from another client in ur lna |
| 06:33.15 | dfm | lan |
| 06:33.24 | deadcat | cemaq: sounds like x hangs? |
| 06:33.33 | simonrvn | is this a laptop with an Fn key? you need to help us too, by describing what you have in front of you |
| 06:33.33 | cemaq | yes, i do that |
| 06:33.37 | cemaq | sound is fine |
| 06:33.51 | oguz | mdh, indeed at the source list i have only unstable depots and i also have a preferences that says the default system is unstable and pin number is 1001 that is upgrade, so you mean to earse that preferences, because i did dist-upgrade |
| 06:33.56 | dfm | cemaq - are you from germany? |
| 06:34.10 | cemaq | on my desktom monitor is nothing with a console resultion |
| 06:34.24 | cemaq | ne, form hungary |
| 06:34.34 | cemaq | sorry my english... |
| 06:34.36 | mdh | oguz: yes. you don't need to use pinning for an upgrade. |
| 06:34.37 | dfm | np |
| 06:34.43 | oguz | Wyzard, i know but when i tried to install the package from unstable, it was saying: those packages will be removed: gnome, gnome-desktop :) |
| 06:34.46 | simonrvn | oguz: it will default to unstable, if you don't want that, then remove it - it will anyway. you need to pin to testing (etch) if you want etch |
| 06:35.15 | Wyzard | oguz: Stuff's currently in transition in unstable, and GNOME is affected |
| 06:35.22 | deadcat | my desktop is up for almost a month. wonder how much electricity it used so far. |
| 06:35.30 | oguz | mdh, ok the i am erasing now the preferences and doing dist-upgrade again |
| 06:35.33 | mdh | oguz: if you simply want to use testing/unstable for newer packages, its far easier to run stable and apt-get source & apt-get build-deps the things you want and rebuild them for stable. |
| 06:35.52 | mdh | oguz: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:35.55 | cemaq | i can connet for it as root , but i don't know, what to do |
| 06:36.20 | simonrvn | deadcat: lappy, or desktop box? |
| 06:36.25 | deadcat | cemaq: ps -efww and look for any x server, like startx gdm xdm and kill them all |
| 06:36.31 | oguz | mdh, in stable there is no gnome-python2.10 |
| 06:36.33 | deadcat | simonrvn: desktop with few harddrives. |
| 06:36.40 | simonrvn | oh, ouch |
| 06:36.47 | deadcat | simonrvn: thats bad? |
| 06:36.48 | cemaq | thx, i will try it.. |
| 06:36.53 | mdh | oguz: sure, but you can add the deb-src lines for unstable and apt-get source it |
| 06:36.56 | Wyzard | oguz: You really need that specific version? |
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| 06:37.04 | deadcat | simonrvn: maybe i should turn it off when not using it. (= |
| 06:37.05 | simonrvn | HDDs use a lot of juice if active all the time |
| 06:37.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:37.18 | mdh | oguz: just the deb-src lines of course, not the deb lines |
| 06:37.20 | deadcat | simonrvn: not active all the time. |
| 06:37.22 | simonrvn | good idea |
| 06:37.26 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:37.40 | oguz | Wyzard, yes i really need, i was writing a program and used gnome-ui, and i only managed to solve it from an attribute at the gnome-python2.10 |
| 06:37.42 | deadcat | simonrvn: i need it on because i have webserver running (= |
| 06:38.01 | simonrvn | yeh, i have another machine do it :| |
| 06:38.08 | simonrvn | (web serving) |
| 06:38.49 | oguz | ok one more thing, i am using xfree86, because xorg seems not working correctly, when ever i make dist-upgrade it is asking me to upgrade to xorg which i dont want, so how can i say dist-upgrade not to include xorg |
| 06:38.50 | deadcat | simonrvn: i only have the desktop and the ibook now. maybe hopefully someone will donate a mac mini for me to use as webserver or something since its so quite. |
| 06:39.13 | simonrvn | that would be nice. low power use, quiet, really cool |
| 06:39.21 | mdh | oguz: you can put it on hold |
| 06:39.24 | deadcat | ya. that someone might be you (= |
| 06:39.58 | oguz | wdh, ok, i checked, i wasnt using preferences, i just have unstable depots at my sources.list and i made dist-upgrade |
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| 06:41.51 | zophyx | what's the best text editor to use for programming ? |
| 06:41.59 | cemaq | thx, now i can use it |
| 06:42.03 | cemaq | bye |
| 06:42.04 | mdh | zophyx: vim |
| 06:42.33 | mdh | zophyx: unless you're programming in emacs lisp of course, in which case use emacs ;) |
| 06:42.49 | Wyzard | !start an editor war |
| 06:42.49 | dpkg | nvi bites |
| 06:42.57 | zophyx | heh |
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| 06:43.17 | Wyzard | first command I usually run after installing Debian is "apt-get install --purge vim nvi-" |
| 06:43.19 | deadcat | !start a drug war |
| 06:43.19 | dpkg | Pepsi 0wnz Opiates! |
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| 06:44.39 | deadcat | whos working on xcompmgr and transset in debian? |
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| 06:44.55 | rob^ | what version of the gnome desktop is in stable? |
| 06:45.01 | deadcat | rob^: 2.8 |
| 06:45.24 | rob^ | is there anything broken in testing? |
| 06:45.31 | deadcat | rob^: no |
| 06:45.37 | rob^ | deadcat, thanks |
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| 06:46.48 | rob^ | 2.8 or 2.10 in testing? |
| 06:46.54 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.59 | rob^ | ah ok |
| 06:47.06 | rob^ | thought so |
| 06:47.12 | deadcat | holly crap 2.10 in sid |
| 06:47.29 | Wyzard | deadcat: It's been there for weeks |
| 06:47.37 | Wyzard | deadcat: 2.6.12 is in too |
| 06:47.39 | simonrvn | yes, been there for a whilee |
| 06:47.47 | simonrvn | s/ee/e/ |
| 06:47.50 | deadcat | Wyzard: (= damn. 2.6.12 too eh. |
| 06:47.59 | simonrvn | 2.6.12 is pretty recent |
| 06:48.02 | Wyzard | deadcat: I'm running both :-) |
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| 06:48.06 | deadcat | maybe i should pay more attentions to packages that i dont use (= |
| 06:48.07 | Wyzard | yeah... 2.6.12 went in yesterday |
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| 06:48.23 | rob^ | I'm guessing from the topic that gcc and x.org is broken in sid? |
| 06:48.39 | deadcat | rob^: nope |
| 06:48.53 | rob^ | really? |
| 06:48.55 | Wyzard | rob^: It's not referring to specific breakage, just that things might break... I'm running xorg right now with no problems |
| 06:49.03 | rob^ | ah |
| 06:49.06 | deadcat | so i should only have 1 repo line in sources.list? i have berkeley and ftp.us.debian.org currently |
| 06:49.11 | simonrvn | x.org is a bit better now for most people (95%) and gcc 4 is making things interesting for packaging |
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| 06:49.28 | deadcat | gcc4 is blowing up my kernel compiles |
| 06:49.52 | Wyzard | deadcat: I built 2.6.12 with gcc4 last night on two systems |
| 06:49.56 | simonrvn | i'm ok for both ppc and x86 for kernels, nice andstable |
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| 06:50.06 | deadcat | Wyzard: maybe i suck at compiling then )= |
| 06:50.36 | deadcat | but i am using the same old .config file from 2.6.12.1 to .3 |
| 06:50.53 | Wyzard | deadcat: The only problem I've noticed is that speedstep doesn't work on my laptop... I plan on recompiling with gcc-3.3 to see if that helps |
| 06:50.56 | simonrvn | .11 and .12 were rather stable for once. it was a welcome change from some other versions |
| 06:51.07 | Wyzard | deadcat: ah... I'm using the Debianized "linux-source-2.6.12" |
| 06:51.09 | SDFH_Linux | i got stable how do i add flash or what deb repos stable version do i need? |
| 06:51.20 | deadcat | Wyzard: ah. i am using it from kernel.org |
| 06:51.21 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:51.35 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:51.52 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Oddly, despite the name, it's in contrib, not non-free |
| 06:51.55 | deadcat | am i the only one getty the error from the marillat repo line with apt-get update? |
| 06:52.05 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:52.06 | sciboy | MAKEFLAG="cc=gcc-3.3" |
| 06:52.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: The missing-key error? |
| 06:52.13 | deadcat | sciboy: tried that. |
| 06:52.17 | deadcat | Wyzard: ya. that error. |
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| 06:52.22 | Wyzard | deadcat: Visit Marillat's site with a browser; the key is posted there |
| 06:52.29 | equuelus_home | which entry in the kernel configuration correspond to libata? |
| 06:52.30 | deadcat | Wyzard: haha |
| 06:52.48 | Wyzard | equuelus_home: It's in the SCSI drivers section for some reason |
| 06:52.49 | sciboy | deadcat: Thats what saved me with compiling my wacom drivers. |
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| 06:54.02 | SDFH_Linux | how about realplayer? |
| 06:54.06 | equuelus_home | Wyzard: still can't find it :( |
| 06:54.12 | SDFH_Linux | for stable |
| 06:54.38 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: dunno whether that's packaged, but mplayer can play .rm |
| 06:54.55 | Wyzard | equuelus_home: Under the "SCSI low-level drivers" section, IIRC |
| 06:54.59 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:55.02 | Wyzard | equuelus_home: You're talking about the SATA support, right? |
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| 06:55.51 | equuelus_home | Wyzard: yes. |
| 06:55.59 | equuelus_home | IIRC? |
| 06:56.07 | Wyzard | If I Remember Correctly |
| 06:56.28 | Wyzard | I don't actually have any SATA hardware, and never used that driver, but I've seen it there |
| 06:56.36 | sciboy | Is the 2.6.12 kernel image compiled with GCC 4? Or am i going to get shit from my driver compilations again? |
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| 06:57.08 | equuelus_home | Wyzard: wierd... my sata drive still does not boot, it just hangs while trying to load the SATA driver i think |
| 06:57.19 | SDFH_Linux | how i get mplayer its not in there |
| 06:57.25 | Wyzard | equuelus_home: I can't help with that, sorry... I've never actually used SATA myself |
| 06:57.26 | xoz | sciboy: there are some issues with 4 so better go with 3.* |
| 06:57.29 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:57.45 | sciboy | xoz: I was asking about the stock kernel-images. |
| 06:58.02 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 06:58.18 | xoz | sciboy: it might be even compiled in much older 2.95 |
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| 06:58.51 | Whisky_ | omg i just finished Downloading Debian CD1 on Dialup :O |
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| 06:59.01 | sciboy | xoz: Judging by how my drivers played with it, kernel-image-2.6.11 is gcc 3.3 but i was wondering whether 2.6.12 uses gcc 4? |
| 06:59.04 | wishie | and you didnt even need it! |
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| 06:59.29 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command to change that suid root thing |
| 06:59.31 | xoz | sciboy: goto /usr/share/doc/<kernel>/buildinfo.gz |
| 06:59.33 | Whisky_ | sciboy: and I *Downloaded* it on Dialup :p |
| 06:59.38 | SDFH_Linux | to reconfigure it its driving me nuts |
| 06:59.49 | SDFH_Linux | suid root thing |
| 06:59.58 | deadcat | Wyzard: that key for marillat is only x86 or ppc as well? |
| 06:59.59 | sciboy | Whisky_: I use to do daily unstable dist-upgrades on dialup. |
| 07:00.03 | xoz | sciboy: probably gcc version 3.3.6 |
| 07:00.12 | Whisky_ | sciboy: lol =p |
| 07:00.31 | Whisky_ | by the way, what's included in CD1 ? I hope X and KDE/Gnome are there :S |
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| 07:01.00 | sciboy | Whisky_: Before i went to sleep. "su" "apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && shutdown -h now" |
| 07:01.07 | xoz | SDFH_Linux: man chmod... +s? |
| 07:01.14 | SDFH_Linux | no |
| 07:01.16 | Wyzard | deadcat: I dunno what other architectures marillat provides besides x86 |
| 07:01.17 | deadcat | sciboy: i used to bring the laptop to school and do that, then move the .debs to my desktop until i got dsl from neighbor |
| 07:01.17 | sciboy | Whisky_: Why didn't you go for a netinstall? |
| 07:01.21 | SDFH_Linux | during install it asked about suid root |
| 07:01.25 | SDFH_Linux | i want to change the setting |
| 07:01.29 | Wyzard | deadcat: but I doubt you'd find Realplayer for anything other than x86 anyway |
| 07:01.48 | deadcat | Wyzard: just mplayer from marillat |
| 07:02.21 | sciboy | deadcat: I do my big downloads with my schools Cable connection, but i got ADSL at home. I miss making such a big deal about a download finishing =P |
| 07:02.33 | SDFH_Linux | i keep getting this |
| 07:02.34 | deadcat | sciboy: hehe |
| 07:02.45 | SDFH_Linux | gtk warning thing |
| 07:02.52 | SDFH_Linux | what is that command to change the suid root |
| 07:02.56 | SDFH_Linux | reconfigure it plz |
| 07:02.58 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 07:03.22 | Whisky_ | yay! Image burnt to disc....let me install :D |
| 07:03.31 | Whisky_ | bye bye bye =p |
| 07:03.40 | dabaR | those are virtual anyhow. |
| 07:03.45 | xoz | !setuid |
| 07:03.46 | dpkg | i guess setuid is a bit which, when set on a program, makes the program execute with the privileges of the owner, as opposed to the person who ran it. Example: chmod u+s <file...> |
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| 07:05.16 | SDFH_Linux | i cant open nedit now |
| 07:05.23 | SDFH_Linux | it gives me a gtk warning |
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| 07:05.27 | SDFH_Linux | how i fix this? |
| 07:05.34 | SDFH_Linux | that and synaptic is doing this |
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| 07:06.17 | SDFH_Linux | also gedit |
| 07:06.51 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: That G_MAXLONG warning isn't a fatal error |
| 07:07.23 | SDFH_Linux | how i fix? |
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| 07:07.47 | SDFH_Linux | it wont let me run things even after putting in root pass |
| 07:07.53 | Wyzard | dunno about why your programs aren't starting, but you can ignore the G_MAXLONG warning |
| 07:08.15 | exobyte | any preference- find . -exec ls -l {} \; or ls -lR . |
| 07:08.42 | Wyzard | It reflects a minor bug in the app that GTK didn't warn about in the past, but the app isn't doing anything now that it didn't do before |
| 07:08.49 | Wyzard | GTK just warns about it now |
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| 07:09.22 | SDFH_Linux | anyway of making it stop doing this? |
| 07:09.46 | Wyzard | The warnings, no -- a developer has to fix that |
| 07:09.55 | Wyzard | As for stuff not starting properly, I dunno about that |
| 07:10.18 | SDFH_Linux | you know that choice during install about suid root |
| 07:10.22 | SDFH_Linux | how i reconfigure that? |
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| 07:13.21 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 07:13.33 | liable | SDFH_Linux: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 07:13.40 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 07:14.45 | Maakuth_ | how's x.org case now? |
| 07:15.12 | cat | Maakuth_: is on sid |
| 07:15.21 | Maakuth_ | yes, i know, and it's broken |
| 07:15.27 | cat | try fixing it |
| 07:15.33 | deadcat | Maakuth_: works greate |
| 07:15.51 | Maakuth_ | hmmhp.. but it broke yesterday when i ran apt-get upgrade |
| 07:15.52 | cat | damn just got pay, |
| 07:16.18 | deadcat | cat: from whom how $? |
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| 07:23.09 | oguz | aptitude hold package_name is the way op putting a hold to a package, but when i use it for xserver-xfree86 it still says it will remove xfree86 when i run dist-upgrade |
| 07:23.27 | oguz | and it will be replaced with xorg |
| 07:24.44 | pe-de-moleque | sometimes debian makes you do dramatic choices |
| 07:25.11 | Wyzard | oguz: Do you have your default release set to testing? |
| 07:25.12 | Maakuth | :D x server selection definitely is a matter of life and death |
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| 07:25.55 | pe-de-moleque | :-) |
| 07:26.06 | oguz | Wyzard, no, i dont have any preferences file, all i have is unstable depots in the sourcesilist |
| 07:26.22 | Wyzard | oguz: So you're running purely unstable, no testing? |
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| 07:27.26 | oguz | Wyzard, i was using testing, then i change the sources.list and run dist-upgrade |
| 07:27.44 | Wyzard | Are there any filesystems which can be resized in both directions (enlarge-ward and shrink-ward) while mounted? |
| 07:28.15 | Wyzard | reiserfs can be enlarged while mounted but must be unmounted to shrink; XFS can *only* be enlarged while mounted, but apparently cannot be shrunk at all |
| 07:28.26 | Wyzard | oguz: Best to put the packages on hold then... /msg dpkg hold |
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| 07:28.48 | oguz | Wyzard, it installed xorg at first, but i couldnt managed to set it wiht dpkg-reconfigure, although i was changing it i am still using english keyboard which should be turkish and the screen didnt fit although i change the vertical |
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| 07:29.18 | Wyzard | oguz: You have xorg half-installed, and now you're trying to stick with XFree86? |
| 07:29.23 | oguz | Wyzard, and horizantal thing everytime i rest tke x server it is still not the on ei changed |
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| 07:29.43 | Wyzard | oguz: It sounds like you've made a mess of your system |
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| 07:29.56 | oguz | Wyzard, no i had xorg but then i did: apt-get -t testing xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:30.06 | oguz | Wyzard, doesnt sound good |
| 07:30.13 | Wyzard | oguz: Downgrades aren't supported |
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| 07:30.32 | SDFH_Linux | guys i cant open stuff in root |
| 07:30.36 | Wyzard | oguz: They might work in some cases, particularly with simple packages, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if xorg can't be downgraded back to xfree86 |
| 07:30.38 | oguz | Wyzard, so i have to use xorg, |
| 07:30.40 | SDFH_Linux | like gedit or synaptic |
| 07:30.55 | rage | SDFH_Linux: how are you su'ing? |
| 07:30.55 | Wyzard | oguz: I guess so, unless you feel like reinstalling and not upgrading to unstable in the first place |
| 07:30.57 | rage | su -? |
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| 07:31.07 | deadcat | i got from xorg to xfree86 with no problem. |
| 07:31.12 | oguz | Wyzard, ok i will use xorg but it seems it will take time to let the xorg work fine for me |
| 07:31.21 | rage | try su without the dash |
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| 07:32.09 | SDFH_Linux | rage i just su then root pass then try to open say synaptic and wont let me |
| 07:32.36 | rage | mmmm |
| 07:32.46 | rage | that should work, it keeps the x variables and stuff |
| 07:32.46 | Wyzard | xauth maybe? |
| 07:33.03 | Wyzard | root doesn't have the user's xauth key |
| 07:33.11 | Wyzard | Try using gksu -- I think it takes care of that transparently |
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| 07:33.17 | oguz | Wyzard, ok after getting clue from dpkg hold it worke now, thanx |
| 07:33.19 | SDFH_Linux | its not working |
| 07:33.29 | sepski | !sux |
| 07:33.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 07:33.40 | SDFH_Linux | i need i think to reconfigure suid root |
| 07:33.45 | SDFH_Linux | how i do that |
| 07:34.03 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: No, running programs when you actually are root has nothing to do with suid |
| 07:34.12 | oguz | Wyzard, how can i check other thing related with dpkg, which messages are available for messaging and getting clue from dpkg here |
| 07:34.22 | oguz | Wyzard, i dont want to ask everything here |
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| 07:34.32 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 07:34.39 | liable | SDFH_Linux: just run it from the menu, it'll ask for roots password |
| 07:34.52 | SDFH_Linux | it only does that for synaptic |
| 07:34.57 | SDFH_Linux | but not for nedit |
| 07:34.58 | Wyzard | oguz: You can /msg the bot with keywords, but I don't know of a way to get a list of all the keywords it knows |
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| 07:35.08 | oguz | Wyzard, ok thanx |
| 07:35.25 | sepski | SDFH_Linux, aptitude install sux, then use sux like you would su - |
| 07:35.38 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 07:35.59 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: run those commands. |
| 07:36.09 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 07:37.08 | SDFH_Linux | ok it worked |
| 07:37.14 | SDFH_Linux | why is that though? |
| 07:37.24 | SDFH_Linux | how did this mess up? |
| 07:37.49 | Wyzard | Nothing was broken... that's just how xauth works |
| 07:37.56 | SDFH_Linux | o |
| 07:37.58 | Wyzard | "man xauth", or Google for more info |
| 07:38.06 | sepski | Wyzard, oguz when talking to dpkg, you can listkeys word to search for factoids that contains word |
| 07:38.08 | SDFH_Linux | thanks |
| 07:38.10 | SDFH_Linux | nite |
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| 07:40.35 | oguz | sepski, i didnt undestand what you meaned |
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| 07:41.20 | sepski | Wyzard oguz: You can /msg the bot with keywords, but I don't know of a way to get a list of all the keywords it knows , with /msg dpkg listkeys you can search the bot for info it knows about |
| 07:41.26 | pulaski | Hello all, |
| 07:41.38 | pulaski | Wyzard! |
| 07:41.45 | liable | oguz: say you want to find the factoids for xorg, you do /msg dpkg listkeys xorg |
| 07:42.14 | sepski | liable, thanks for a understandable example :) |
| 07:42.31 | liable | np :) |
| 07:42.43 | pulaski | just wanted to say thanks to you and the others here who were so generous with their time. I successfully got my exim4 rewrite configured. |
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| 07:44.22 | pulaski | anyway if you see maher or, er it doesn't matter. You all know who you are. Thank You. |
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| 07:44.45 | pulaski | cya |
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| 07:46.33 | NoRC | Evening all.... Quick question, I finally got Gnome running on my debian box, but i cant get it out of 800x600.. any suggestions? |
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| 07:47.32 | sepski | !tell norc about drxx |
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| 07:48.30 | crazy2k | Hello. I just installed Debian and tried to configure my Internet connection through pppoeconf. Everything was alright, apparently, but for some reason apt is not able to connect to the Internet. I don't know what's the problem. Everything seemed to be fine. |
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| 07:49.45 | sepski | crazy2k, can you ping your ppp partner, dns servers and arbitary hosts on the net ? |
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| 07:50.03 | sepski | crazy2k, if yes, do name resolve work ? can you ping a hostname ? |
| 07:50.42 | crazy2k | I tried pinging some sites and nothing happened. |
| 07:50.58 | liable | crazy2k: by name or ip? |
| 07:51.01 | crazy2k | ame |
| 07:51.03 | crazy2k | name* |
| 07:51.06 | sepski | crazy2k, try by ip |
| 07:51.14 | NoRC | ok, what is a bus identifier? |
| 07:51.16 | liable | crazy2k: ping 69.93.107.106 |
| 07:51.17 | ArtistAgent | say does anyone know how to reset the identity in kphone? for some reason it remains the same mistake i made 6 (tries of resetting the URL's ) ago :) |
| 07:51.22 | NoRC | i have a agp NVidia FX5500 |
| 07:51.32 | sepski | NoRC, something you leave emthy unless you have multiple gfx cards |
| 07:51.33 | liable | NoRC: leave it empty if you only have one card. |
| 07:51.35 | NoRC | (this is for X Setup) |
| 07:51.38 | NoRC | ahh ok |
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| 07:51.44 | crazy2k | Something else? I'll have to disconnect this computer in order to do that. |
| 07:52.12 | sepski | crazy2k, if ping fails. then ifconfig see what ppp partern you have, and try pinging thatone. |
| 07:52.26 | crazy2k | ok |
| 07:52.33 | crazy2k | Is that all? |
| 07:52.39 | sepski | route -n should contain a default gw, (often to your ppp partner) |
| 07:53.03 | crazy2k | Ok, I'm back in a few minutes. |
| 07:53.04 | sepski | with that, you should have ping, then your /etc/resolve.conf must contain valid dns servers for name to ip mapping to work |
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| 07:53.39 | crazy2k | Yeah, I was thinking it was a problem with that file. |
| 07:53.47 | crazy2k | But Ubuntu configured that automatically. |
| 07:53.55 | NoRC | ok ive done that... now i just restart GNome/X? |
| 07:53.57 | crazy2k | Can't I make it look for the IP itself? |
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| 07:54.34 | sepski | crazy2k, iv never used pppoeconf, but i imagined that it should grab the dns server automagicaly yes |
| 07:54.39 | NoRC | hmm i might just reboot the whole box |
| 07:54.47 | NoRC | brb |
| 07:55.01 | crazy2k | Well, it's not doing it apparently. |
| 07:55.02 | sepski | crazy2k, read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian |
| 07:55.09 | crazy2k | Ok. BRB |
| 07:55.13 | gabor | hi |
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| 07:56.36 | gabor | i have a question: if i use "users" while mounting an ntfs partition i cant read it as an user in KDE, but i can in terminal from e.g. mc |
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| 07:56.58 | gabor | if i use umask=000 instead of users it works |
| 07:57.22 | sepski | gabor, users only allow users to mount, you want to use uid and gid to set the owner of the files in the ntfs partition |
| 07:57.25 | gabor | so whats the problem with "users"? |
| 07:57.48 | sepski | gabor, no problem with it, except that you misunderstood what it does |
| 07:58.32 | gabor | i read that it allows users to mount that partition |
| 07:59.34 | gabor | so if it works in console (i can read the ntfs partition as an user) why it doesnt work in kde (i cant read the partition in konqueror)? |
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| 08:01.06 | Varanger | I am getting a strange noise when playing audio in Linux, I have recently configured my soundcard |
| 08:01.09 | sepski | never used konq sorry. |
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| 08:01.54 | ArtistAgent | woop fig'd it out im dum |
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| 08:02.16 | sepski | !tell gabor about ntfs |
| 08:02.34 | sepski | !tell gabor about read-ntfs |
| 08:02.36 | crazy2k | Yeah. Definitely, that was the problem. I could ping my provider. I need to know what to write in the resolv.conf file. |
| 08:03.08 | sepski | gabor, you must ofcouse select uid gid hdxx to things that fit your system |
| 08:03.31 | sepski | crazy2k, i imagined the ppp should write your resolv.conf file |
| 08:03.33 | liable | crazy2k: find there dns adresses, in resolv.conf, add one per line 'nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' |
| 08:04.10 | crazy2k | The one that appears as P-t-P? |
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| 08:04.18 | crazy2k | when doing ifconfig |
| 08:04.29 | gabor | thanks sepski ! |
| 08:04.30 | SDFH_Linux | what package i need to get sound going |
| 08:04.34 | crazy2k | That is the one I pinged. |
| 08:05.09 | sepski | crazy2k, you ping the ppp parter and not your local ip i hope ? |
| 08:05.13 | liable | crazy2k: visit there web site, or phone them, to find there dns server addresses. |
| 08:05.30 | sepski | liable, shouldn ppp grab that info and use that ? |
| 08:05.34 | liable | SDFH_Linux: for alsa, alsa-base |
| 08:05.40 | cahoot | Varanger: using ESD or artsd? |
| 08:05.47 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 08:06.04 | gabor | what does umask exactly mean (and the octal number after that), i read the man mount, but has no description about that? |
| 08:06.07 | cahoot | sigge? |
| 08:06.33 | Varanger | cahoot: just alsa... in the console |
| 08:06.33 | sepski | gabor, man umask |
| 08:06.40 | crazy2k | I remember I used to fix this by writing something in the resolv.conf file and that something was an IP found in what ifconfig prints. I don't remember if it was the IP that appears as P-t-P |
| 08:07.19 | cahoot | Varanger: no better adjusting settings in alsamixer? |
| 08:07.20 | liable | sepski: yeah, for my dial up account, its done for me. |
| 08:07.32 | sepski | crazy2k, you use the resolveconf package ? |
| 08:07.34 | Varanger | cahoot: nop |
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| 08:07.42 | rr | hi |
| 08:07.47 | reamtS | what is a cmdline package to control the volume? |
| 08:07.57 | crazy2k | sepski, I don't know. |
| 08:08.12 | peterS | reamtS: aumix has a command-line mode |
| 08:08.29 | peterS | reamtS: it's normally a full-screen program, but you can run it as a noninteractive thing |
| 08:08.32 | crazy2k | Ok, let me try adding that IP to "nameserver" |
| 08:08.33 | liable | pppd *should* do it, dunno about pppoe how it works.. |
| 08:08.36 | reamtS | peterS: nice, thx |
| 08:08.45 | sepski | liable, dosnt pppoe use pppd |
| 08:08.48 | SDFH_Linux | do you have to reboot to enable alsa/ |
| 08:08.49 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 08:09.04 | liable | sepski: I believe so, yes, but ?? |
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| 08:09.35 | peterS | sepski: yeah, it does |
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| 08:10.25 | SDFH_Linux | do you have to reboot to enable alsa? |
| 08:10.27 | liable | hmm, I think he's gonna put his ip's address into resolv.conf... |
| 08:10.38 | peterS | sepski: pppoe can be accomplished in two ways. either pppd talks to a pppoe program which talks to the network ... or pppd uses a pppoe plugin to talk to a pppoe kernel module directly |
| 08:10.44 | liable | SDFH_Linux: you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:10.48 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 08:10.51 | peterS | sepski: the latter is faster and simpler, but requires a 2.4 kernel or better |
| 08:11.08 | Maakuth | SDFH_Linux, you don't need to repeat your question with 1min frequency to get an answer ;) |
| 08:11.10 | sepski | peterS, well not my question actualy. i just imagined pppoe to write the resolve.conf just as ppp does |
| 08:11.12 | liable | SDFH_Linux: just modprobe -r the oss modules, load the alsa ones, run alsaconf |
| 08:11.19 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 08:11.26 | peterS | sepski: oh. yeah, it does |
| 08:11.43 | liable | should... :) |
| 08:11.44 | sepski | SDFH_Linux, it's also a good idea to prevent the oss modules getting loaded on the next reboot. |
| 08:11.52 | SDFH_Linux | how i do? |
| 08:11.55 | sepski | well obviouslt dosnt for that bloke |
| 08:12.03 | sepski | SDFH_Linux, depends on how you load them in the first place |
| 08:12.24 | liable | alsa-base add them to blacklist iirc. |
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| 08:13.23 | sepski | SDFH_Linux, then unless you have added them to etc/modules manualy you shoudnt have to worry about it |
| 08:13.24 | shaiW | what's the bin file for the synaptec package menager? |
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| 08:13.48 | liable | shaiW: whereis synaptic |
| 08:13.54 | sepski | usr/sbin/synaptic |
| 08:13.57 | peterS | shaiW: dpkg -L synaptic | grep bin/ |
| 08:14.09 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 08:14.19 | gabor | how can i remount partitions listed in fstab without reboot(with auto option)? mount -a doesnt works |
| 08:14.38 | sepski | gabor, mount -o remount and man mount |
| 08:14.54 | gabor | thanks |
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| 08:15.18 | peterS | I'm not sure we need to see any man mounting in this channel |
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| 08:16.09 | webwolf_27 | I'm considering installing Debian to my notebook, but I need qt3-3.2.1 or earlier any suggestions what debian to use? |
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| 08:16.50 | gAri- | hi people |
| 08:17.15 | peterS | webwolf_27: check packages.debian.org/libqt3c102 |
| 08:17.19 | reamtS | How do I add a user group to sound and video? |
| 08:17.21 | gAri- | how can I test in bash, if a variable exists or not? |
| 08:17.53 | peterS | webwolf_27: or perhaps also packages.debian.org/libqt3 to see what debian 3.0 has |
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| 08:18.00 | webwolf_27 | peterS, thanks |
| 08:18.00 | gAri- | I always got an error when I tried to test if a variable equals to "" or 0 or so on, and the variable wasnt set. any way to do it, or I have to set my variables in the beginning? |
| 08:18.06 | bob2 | surely you'd want the mt version of libqt3? |
| 08:18.08 | TwistedEmotions | What is a good file broswer? |
| 08:18.22 | liable | reamtS: adduser foo sound then video |
| 08:18.23 | bob2 | gAri-: -z |
| 08:18.23 | TwistedEmotions | *browser |
| 08:18.28 | peterS | bob2: yeah but he's just interested in version numbers, so I picked the first one I could think of |
| 08:18.35 | liable | TwistedEmotions: mc |
| 08:18.36 | gAri- | -z spews out an error if a variable isnt set |
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| 08:18.45 | SDFH_Linux | whats the package for java for firefox |
| 08:19.15 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:19.18 | webwolf_27 | peterS, 3.0.3 will apps compiled with that run under qt3.2.1 (without recompiling)? |
| 08:19.19 | reamtS | liable: the users already created, how do I add them all in 'sound and video'? |
| 08:19.41 | peterS | webwolf_27: you know, I have no idea. one thing to bear in mind - and the reason libqt3 and libqt3c102 have different names - is that it's a C++ library |
| 08:19.44 | liable | reamtS: man adduser |
| 08:19.46 | cahoot | reamtS: vigr is one method |
| 08:19.48 | peterS | webwolf_27: and, as such, the gcc version that compiled it matters |
| 08:19.55 | bob2 | gAri-: nope |
| 08:20.02 | TwistedEmotions | liable: something gui based? |
| 08:20.06 | reamtS | cahoot: but I have to do it one by one, is it not? |
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| 08:20.08 | bob2 | gAri-: it set it's return code based on whether it extsis or not |
| 08:20.11 | peterS | webwolf_27: you can't mix / match gcc versions for C++ libraries. certain g++ versions are compatible with each other in that way but you have to know what they are |
| 08:20.29 | webwolf_27 | peterS, ok thanks |
| 08:20.31 | peterS | webwolf_27: anyway, libqt3c102 was compiled with g++ 3.3.x, whereas libqt3 was compiled with g++ 3.1 or something like that |
| 08:21.09 | liable | TwistedEmotions: you can always use firefox. :) |
| 08:21.11 | peterS | webwolf_27: not an issue for C programs and libraries, but C++ is an evolving standard with an evolving compiler environment, so these things are a PITA |
| 08:21.25 | gAri- | okay, I will try it. than I forgot this one probably |
| 08:21.27 | gAri- | thx |
| 08:21.35 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Weeee... gentoo is what Im using now... good program.. but damn ugly setup |
| 08:21.51 | drac | Something keeps setting my /tmp permissions from 1777 to 755 by itself, and after that.. Dovecot stops working.. is there way to trace what does this permissions change? |
| 08:21.54 | webwolf_27 | peterS, thanks, my main problem is my instructor uses SuSE 9.0 and that won't run on my notebook |
| 08:22.16 | peterS | webwolf_27: so, if you need to be compatible with some external computer, you'd better know what version of g++ they have |
| 08:22.35 | reamtS | Can I add a group to group like this? video:x:44:@user |
| 08:22.37 | peterS | webwolf_27: I couldn't tell you offhand what suse 9.0 ships with |
| 08:22.41 | peterS | reamtS: no |
| 08:22.50 | reamtS | doh! |
| 08:23.06 | peterS | reamtS: yeah, a lot of people want that sort of thing, but you can't have it. if you use NIS you can have netgroups, which can be nested |
| 08:23.25 | webwolf_27 | peterS, that I can check, from my experience they're backward compatible |
| 08:23.26 | reamtS | peterS: what about ldap? |
| 08:24.01 | gAri- | bob2: -z is for strings no? and it spews out an error if I try to test an integer with it no? |
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| 08:24.11 | peterS | reamtS: ldap might have tricks for this sort of thing, but I don't think so. bottom line, the unix getgrent() family of calls has historically been too lazy to chase down recursive references |
| 08:24.19 | crazy2k | Can't make it work for some reason. |
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| 08:24.24 | crazy2k | It's not resolving. |
| 08:24.25 | SDFH_Linux | whats the package for java for firefox is it in stable? |
| 08:24.39 | reamtS | peterS: thx for the heads up |
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| 08:25.15 | peterS | reamtS: the thing to do if you really need this functionality is to read / write some "/etc/group.in" and postprocess it with some perl hack every time you edit it |
| 08:25.16 | liable | crazy2k: what ip address did you add? |
| 08:25.22 | crazy2k | Should I try installing the resolvconf package? |
| 08:25.23 | bob2 | gAri-: define your problem more strictly |
| 08:25.37 | liable | crazy2k: try this one. nameserver 203.194.27.57 |
| 08:25.39 | crazy2k | I added the one that appeared in ifconfig. |
| 08:25.45 | crazy2k | What is that? |
| 08:25.48 | peterS | reamtS: a workable perl hack for exactly this purpose would probably take half an hour to write and debug and it'd be 10-30 lines long |
| 08:25.53 | liable | crazy2k: no, thats not a dns server |
| 08:26.05 | reamtS | hahahah |
| 08:26.30 | peterS | reamtS: the hard part would be detecting loops, like group A contains group B which contains group A |
| 08:26.35 | crazy2k | Well, I'm using Ubuntu now. Ubuntu automatically set that up. |
| 08:26.46 | crazy2k | How can I do that with Debian? |
| 08:26.48 | deadcat | crazy2k: you in wrong channel buddy |
| 08:27.00 | liable | crazy2k: its the one for my ip, you can use it, will prolly be slow though, you need to find your isp's nameservers. |
| 08:27.00 | gAri- | there is a variable that isnt set, or will get an integer as a value. when its not set I can test it with -z. when it is na integer -z spews out an error. |
| 08:27.14 | reamtS | peterS: oh boy! |
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| 08:27.19 | crazy2k | deadcat, I don't think I am. |
| 08:27.24 | deadcat | crazy2k: i think you are |
| 08:27.36 | peterS | reamtS: not too hard to deal with, you just have to take multiple passes over the list and at some point give up |
| 08:27.39 | liable | crazy2k: your on the net now with ubuntu? |
| 08:27.42 | reamtS | sup deadcat, yo yo yo =) |
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| 08:27.49 | crazy2k | liable, yes. |
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| 08:27.58 | deadcat | reamtS: what up baby. |
| 08:28.09 | liable | crazy2k: copy resolv.conf, over to /etc in debian partition. |
| 08:28.10 | crazy2k | liable, isn't there a way to retrieve my ISP's DNS? |
| 08:28.32 | reamtS | reamtS: nothing much, chilling =) |
| 08:28.37 | crazy2k | I don't think the resolv.conf is the problem. There's a weird IP there. |
| 08:28.47 | liable | crazy2k: it should, I dont know why it isnt.. |
| 08:28.49 | usn | hi all |
| 08:28.50 | drac | reamtS: talking to yourself, eh? :) |
| 08:28.52 | crazy2k | Do you think it'll work if I use that IP? |
| 08:29.01 | reamtS | doh! |
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| 08:29.19 | crazy2k | Let me try. |
| 08:29.37 | deadcat | yeep. crazy motherfucker |
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| 08:29.53 | reamtS | hahah |
| 08:30.10 | jamufar | anaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:30.19 | reamtS | !mofo |
| 08:30.19 | dpkg | you motherfucker! |
| 08:30.31 | SDFH_Linux | whats the package for java for firefox? |
| 08:31.02 | jamufar | anything that speak spanish |
| 08:31.13 | deadcat | jamufar: si |
| 08:31.26 | kreg | jack bauer's the man! |
| 08:31.38 | jamufar | hola deadcat |
| 08:31.43 | webwolf_27 | peterS, maybe my best bet is to compile a test qt app under woody, then send it to my dad ( he runs suSE 9 ) and have him test the binary |
| 08:31.46 | deadcat | jamufar: hola |
| 08:31.53 | deadcat | kreg: yes mr president |
| 08:32.14 | deadcat | jamufar: dammit dont fucking /msg me |
| 08:32.16 | peterS | webwolf_27: might or might not catch all possible failures |
| 08:32.28 | kreg | deadcat, heh heh |
| 08:32.35 | kreg | deadcat, just started season 4 |
| 08:32.41 | dogsbody | I can't apt-get upgrade is ftp.debian.org down? |
| 08:32.48 | deadcat | kreg: finished.. lots of torture |
| 08:33.01 | kreg | deadcat, looks like i won't be seeing any familiar faces this season so far |
| 08:33.13 | deadcat | kreg: they'll be back |
| 08:33.26 | kreg | awesome |
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| 08:33.39 | deadcat | kreg: they gonna mock richard nixon (= |
| 08:33.46 | webwolf_27 | peterS, better then sending it in blindly and having my instructor upset/confused because the souce is correct but the binary won't run |
| 08:34.05 | deadcat | jamufar: motherfucker dont /msg me.. stop it |
| 08:34.32 | jamufar | ok jamufar sorry |
| 08:34.46 | jamufar | ok deadcat sorry |
| 08:34.58 | deadcat | ok .. lets calm down |
| 08:35.52 | kreg | just use mirros.kernel.org for apt instead |
| 08:35.58 | kreg | mirrors |
| 08:36.11 | dogsbody | kreg: thanks |
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| 08:36.29 | webwolf_27 | peterS, of course I can also try that after compiling it on centos ( even though the qt libs are newer) |
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| 08:36.59 | dogsbody | kreg: working thanks |
| 08:37.12 | kreg | no prob |
| 08:37.41 | webwolf_27 | ok thanks for the help, gots to go, guests are coming |
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| 08:37.51 | webwolf_27 | bye folks and thanks again |
| 08:38.18 | karsten | ... also known as the loch picts. |
| 08:38.32 | deadcat | karsten: no never heard of them |
| 08:38.36 | peterS | ha |
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| 08:38.56 | peterS | too bad loch isn't a picti word (: |
| 08:39.29 | deepan | http://pastebin.com/319037 .. please answer this question regarding http tunneling .. http://pastebin.com/319037 |
| 08:39.36 | jamufar | ola |
| 08:39.42 | deadcat | !es |
| 08:39.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 08:40.42 | Arafangion | Can someone please tell me the debian stance on the LSB? (Linux Standard Base) |
| 08:41.04 | deadcat | Arafangion: its standard |
| 08:41.22 | deadcat | tye dont called debian gnu/linux for nothing |
| 08:41.24 | Arafangion | deadcat: Well, I've never seen .lsb libraries. |
| 08:41.41 | deadcat | Arafangion: me either |
| 08:42.00 | bob2 | that sounds stupid, if it's actually in the LSB |
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| 08:42.15 | bob2 | sarge complies with the LSB in most ways that matter, aiui |
| 08:42.31 | Arafangion | bob2: It's actually in the LSB. |
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| 08:42.48 | rAz__ | some1 could help me to fix a quakenet server command in xchat ? thx : its the anonymous "mode $me +x", i dont know where to put it |
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| 08:43.04 | bob2 | wow, ouch |
| 08:43.14 | deadcat | rAz__: nobody here play quake man. |
| 08:43.21 | Arafangion | bob2: Their reasoning is decent, but I don't like it much myself. |
| 08:43.29 | sepski | deepan, if you try to telnet instead of ssh, do you get a line saying something like Escape character is '^]'. |
| 08:43.29 | sepski | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 08:43.32 | rAz__ | no mh.. its quakenet is a irc server |
| 08:43.43 | rAz__ | thats not a game :) |
| 08:43.49 | sepski | deepan, but i didnt think you was alloed to listen on ports < 1024 as a regular user... |
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| 08:44.43 | theb0y | hello, i got a sms module connected to my linux pc, and i want to know if its bad if i request each 2 seconds for new messages.. is 2 seconds good enough to check if there are new messages? or could the device crash if i ask it too much each 2 seconds? |
| 08:44.44 | deepan | ya i did get that line in telnet sepski |
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| 08:45.02 | deepan | what does that line mean sepski |
| 08:45.37 | sepski | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 means you actualy reached a ssh server, and not some thing else or nothing at all |
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| 08:46.08 | sepski | deepan, your connecting from a sarge also ? nothing wrong with sshv1 vs sshv2 ? |
| 08:46.27 | deepan | this is to a redhat machine from sarge |
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| 08:47.57 | deepan | what does the Escape Character ^] in telnet mean sepski |
| 08:48.32 | sepski | hmm redhat perhaps use libwrap, is are your allowed in wuth hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
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| 08:49.09 | sepski | deepan, just that ctrl+] is the esc key, or that you got a connection. |
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| 08:49.22 | sepski | the logs on redhat should tell you more |
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| 08:51.39 | deepan | ya when i press ctrl+] i get to telnet prompt |
| 08:51.41 | sepski | deepan, altho you connect to ssh from httptunnel localhost. unlikely that should be blocked.. |
| 08:52.29 | deepan | i want to know if i had been blocked in my local system it self or i had been blocked in the remote system |
| 08:52.34 | sepski | deepan, well reading the logs on the redhat sounds like the most sensible thing. |
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| 08:53.20 | sepski | deepan, if you got the openssh line you are connecting to the sshd server, so it's not your debian. try ssh -1, |
| 08:54.15 | deepan | i am restricted user in redhat.. |
| 08:54.21 | deepan | i wont have access to log.. |
| 08:54.28 | deepan | i am root in local system |
| 08:54.32 | deepan | will that help anyway |
| 08:54.43 | dddss | hello i need to install driver for an usb pen wifi i downloaded it and the readme say: cd into the new directory and use "make" and "make install" |
| 08:54.43 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.43 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.43 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.43 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:55.22 | dddss | anybody can help me? |
| 08:55.51 | deepan | ssh -l <user> is what you wnat me to sepski |
| 08:56.28 | sepski | ssh -1 -v -p 2323 localhost |
| 08:56.39 | deepan | k |
| 08:56.46 | sepski | just incase your redhat ssh dont know sshv2 |
| 08:56.56 | dddss | how can i install a driver if the readme say: |
| 08:57.16 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.16 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.36 | dddss | Be sure to have your configured kernel source at /usr/src/linux |
| 08:57.37 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:58.00 | liable | dddss: stop spamming the damn channel |
| 08:58.08 | liable | !tell dddss about repeat |
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| 08:58.29 | dddss | ok sorry |
| 08:58.45 | deepan | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host .. is the response for -1 sepski |
| 08:59.06 | liable | dddss: what dont you understand about those directions? |
| 08:59.29 | bob2 | wtf |
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| 09:00.13 | dddss | in debian i haven't kernel source under src |
| 09:00.23 | dddss | and when i do make |
| 09:00.28 | dddss | of driver |
| 09:00.34 | dddss | it generates errors |
| 09:00.41 | bob2 | shockingly |
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| 09:00.46 | bob2 | now go install one |
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| 09:00.51 | bob2 | and don't crap flood again |
| 09:01.04 | dddss | i have installed |
| 09:01.08 | dddss | it's bz2 |
| 09:01.16 | bob2 | ... |
| 09:01.17 | dddss | under /usr/src |
| 09:01.18 | bob2 | then unpack it |
| 09:01.23 | dddss | i do it |
| 09:01.27 | bob2 | but you don't need kernel source to build drivers |
| 09:01.46 | dddss | and why readme say it |
| 09:01.46 | dddss | ? |
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| 09:02.29 | bob2 | because the author was clueless, presumably |
| 09:02.39 | bob2 | now go back 10 steps and explain what driver you're trying to compile |
| 09:02.57 | dddss | zd1211 |
| 09:03.27 | dddss | if i do make |
| 09:03.31 | dddss | make |
| 09:03.32 | dddss | grep: /usr/src/linux/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 09:03.46 | deadcat | dddss: tried zd1211, didnt work for me. cant connect to any AP |
| 09:03.59 | dddss | :o |
| 09:04.11 | dddss | sitecom? |
| 09:04.13 | war- | Anyone here have Verizon FIOS/business or know someone who does? |
| 09:04.13 | liable | dddss: link -s /usr/src/kernel-source-blah /usr/src/linux |
| 09:04.25 | deadcat | dddss: any new develop. on the driver lately? |
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| 09:04.34 | dddss | no |
| 09:04.40 | dddss | it's the only one |
| 09:04.41 | deadcat | dddss: i returned that shit. |
| 09:05.15 | dddss | i cant try neither ndis |
| 09:05.21 | prodigel | I'm searching for the debian help channel. Can someone help me with this ? :) |
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| 09:05.30 | dddss | because therei isn't .inf |
| 09:05.36 | deadcat | hahah |
| 09:05.37 | liable | prodigel: um, this is it. |
| 09:05.42 | dddss | only .exe |
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| 09:05.53 | prodigel | k. thanks. :) wasn't sure |
| 09:06.05 | deadcat | dddss: i am still waiting for the prism54 usb driver to mature a bit. now its useless as well. |
| 09:06.09 | liable | prodigel: ask away :) |
| 09:06.34 | dddss | than i can stop to do it? |
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| 09:06.56 | liable | dddss: you either need to make that symlink, or edit the makefile. |
| 09:07.02 | deadcat | dddss: some people got it to work but i dont know how they do it though |
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| 09:07.43 | deadcat | dddss: you need cd /lib/modules && ln -s `uname -r` 2.x.y |
| 09:07.55 | harriet | Hi! I have two systems both running udev and as far as I know the same config. One of the two has a bunch of /dev/pty?? files and the other doesn't. I'm wondering why those files are there. |
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| 09:09.29 | prodigel | my problem: A friend of mine just installed ubuntu on his PC but it doesn't has a net connection, and he wants to install some packages for music and movies. Like xmms and mplayer. I (don't )know (much)that packages have dependencies and I wonder how can I take all the packages required for installing xmms and mplayer.(Don;t forget video/audio codecs for mplayer) |
| 09:09.59 | Arafangion | prodigel: Well, can you download the cd images? |
| 09:10.13 | Arafangion | prodigel: If it was just Debian, I'd say download the debian images. |
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| 09:10.24 | prodigel | @arafangion: that will take too long. |
| 09:10.42 | liable | prodigel: you want to use debian packages on ubuntu? |
| 09:10.46 | Arafangion | prodigel: Well, you can also purchase them. |
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| 09:10.52 | prodigel | does it make a difference ? |
| 09:11.01 | Arafangion | prodigel: Does what make a difference? |
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| 09:11.16 | prodigel | @liable: does it make a difference |
| 09:11.17 | Arafangion | prodigel: It cost me $30 when I bought debian, which at the time was cheaper than downloading it. |
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| 09:11.21 | liable | prodigel: yeah, not considered a good idea at all. they may work, or break it horribly. |
| 09:11.42 | dddss | i have done symlink |
| 09:11.48 | liable | prodigel: you dont need the @ to address peoplre here. |
| 09:11.56 | harriet | prodigel: You can look at (IIRC) apt-zip to determine which debs to download but you need a net connection on the target machine as least to update package lists. I think. |
| 09:12.07 | dddss | but it give this: |
| 09:12.11 | dddss | src/zd1205.c:3160: error: structure has no member named `iw_stats' |
| 09:12.11 | dddss | make: *** [src/zd1205.o] Error 1 |
| 09:12.17 | dddss | lol |
| 09:12.41 | harriet | What are the /dev/pty?? entries for anyway? |
| 09:12.49 | prodigel | liable: you suggest to take thoose for ubuntu. Sorry for the @. got used with it on another platform |
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| 09:13.11 | liable | prodigel: yeah, I wouldnt mix the two. |
| 09:13.43 | harriet | I've seen a system with mixed Ubuntu and Debian and it was really cranky. |
| 09:14.32 | prodigel | liable: I didn't made the instalation.He made it from a ubuntu cd package(install and live cd). Do you believe i will find there some packages that i need ? |
| 09:15.20 | liable | prodigel: for some apps probably, try asking on #ubuntu, what kind of apps are on the live/install cd. |
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| 09:15.54 | liable | prodigel: or there website :) |
| 09:16.02 | boguh | hi, i have a second harddisk and want to move /home to a partition on this disk. what do i have to care about and what options do i need in fstab? |
| 09:16.11 | prodigel | liable: ok. Thanks. I'll be back! |
| 09:16.20 | liable | np |
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| 09:17.30 | Arafangion | prodigel: Seems that the ubuntu folks will ship you CD's for no charge. |
| 09:17.36 | harriet | Oh, how do I tell udev to change permissions for a single device? I need to set serial port permissions so nut will work. I tried making my own udev rules but I couldn't find anything that would work. |
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| 09:19.12 | prodigel | Arafangion: all the cd's? I have one cd. How many are they ? |
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| 09:20.01 | Arafangion | prodigel: Not sure. |
| 09:20.09 | peterS | reamtS: hmmm, longer than 30 minutes and longer than 30 lines, but I got a /etc/group.in -> /etc/group translator that seems to work. (I didn't write it specifically for you, it was mainly just a fun little challenge.) |
| 09:20.14 | Arafangion | prodigel: One CD may well have everything you need. |
| 09:20.43 | peterS | reamtS: 41 lines in 55 minutes, and that's the second version - the first was much more complex and didn't seem to *quite* work |
| 09:20.47 | Arafangion | prodigel: You may try debian (source) packages. |
| 09:20.59 | Arafangion | prodigel: But I have never used ubuntu |
| 09:21.07 | Arafangion | (I don't see the point) |
| 09:21.23 | liable | dddss: try copying your kernel config from /boot, and putting it in the source, (name it .config) |
| 09:21.25 | prodigel | arafangion: liable said it coudl mess the system if It mix them |
| 09:22.07 | Arafangion | prodigel: That's why I'm suggesting source only, but check first. |
| 09:22.32 | bob2 | don't mix packages |
| 09:22.36 | harriet | Ubuntu seems to be somewhat easier to do mass-support, and it tries to be more stable than testing and more recent than stable. |
| 09:22.39 | bob2 | use apt-zip if your friend has no internet |
| 09:22.48 | peterS | mnencia: the way to deal with this is "!ops onjoin spammer {nick}, please deal" |
| 09:22.59 | peterS | mnencia: bob2 is here, he'll catch that |
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| 09:24.16 | liable | Arafangion: money :) |
| 09:24.19 | harriet | It isn't that it's incompatible per se. |
| 09:24.52 | harriet | But that dependencies for many things are perhaps more strict than they need to be. |
| 09:24.59 | bob2 | I don't see a spammer |
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| 09:25.15 | cmihai | Where's the file that configs the libs linux loads? |
| 09:25.19 | Arafangion | harriet: In ubuntu, or debian? |
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| 09:25.27 | bob2 | cmihai: there isn't one |
| 09:25.28 | harriet | Yes. |
| 09:25.32 | bob2 | cmihai: unless you mean /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 09:25.36 | Arafangion | harriet: So, what can go wrong if you mix packages? |
| 09:25.48 | cmihai | That one, thanks. Forgotten it. |
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| 09:26.07 | cmihai | Ah, looks like it's configured right, it just didn't refresh. |
| 09:26.21 | peterS | cmihai: yeah, run 'ldconfig' to make it refresh |
| 09:26.26 | cmihai | Thanks. |
| 09:26.55 | harriet | From what I saw of it, mainly you end up with a Debian package and a Ubuntu package with a strict dependency on two differing minor revisions of another package. |
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| 09:27.04 | felipex | ho at all |
| 09:27.10 | coywolf | !mplayer |
| 09:27.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 09:27.11 | cmihai | Yeeha, and it works ; |
| 09:27.16 | peterS | cool |
| 09:27.17 | cmihai | Maya 6.5 works great under Debian Linux :) |
| 09:27.18 | felipex | hi at all |
| 09:27.20 | coywolf | <Romeo> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 09:27.24 | coywolf | !ops |
| 09:27.25 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 09:27.26 | bob2 | harriet: which reasonable, since otherwise you can produce packages that won't work at all |
| 09:27.34 | bob2 | cmihai: enough |
| 09:27.35 | bob2 | bah |
| 09:27.35 | felipex | anybody upgraded from mysql-server4.0 to 4.1 ? |
| 09:27.39 | coywolf | !ops <Romeo> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Vide |
| 09:27.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: <Romeo> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Vide |
| 09:27.52 | drac | coywolf: No need to spam it again, as public, to whole channel. |
| 09:28.04 | cmihai | bob2: ? |
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| 09:28.25 | harriet | bob2: Yes but only for some kinds of revisions. ABI changes and what else? |
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| 09:29.12 | bob2 | bah, I can't believe the ban list is full |
| 09:29.18 | peterS | hehe |
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| 09:29.36 | peterS | lots of ops ban, few seem to want to sift through the list for stale entries (: |
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| 09:29.56 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ban clean, plskthxbye |
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| 09:30.01 | peterS | heh |
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| 09:30.04 | liable | hah |
| 09:30.09 | peterS | do all the ops always leave it up to him, then? |
| 09:30.24 | harriet | Hm. |
| 09:30.28 | bob2 | harriet: debian doesn't track enough information to tell if the strict dependency is waranted or not, unfortunately |
| 09:30.39 | JohnnyST | how do I start and stop adsl in Sarge? |
| 09:30.49 | bob2 | harriet: if I compile against glibc 2.3.1a, I might use a symbol that isn't in 2.3.1, so I need to Depend on 2.3.1a |
| 09:30.49 | JohnnyST | pon someting? |
| 09:30.52 | bob2 | peterS: yes |
| 09:30.58 | harriet | bob2: I thought so. |
| 09:30.59 | felipex | anybody upgraded from mysql-server-4.0 to 4.1 ? |
| 09:31.03 | peterS | JohnnyST: ifup ppp0, ifdown ppp0, if you have the default sort of setup, I think |
| 09:31.07 | felipex | what is the best way? |
| 09:31.13 | peterS | JohnnyST: I can't be sure because I think it changed between woody and sarge and my box was originally woody |
| 09:31.25 | bob2 | harriet: there's work to store more data, but it's not happened yet |
| 09:31.27 | JohnnyST | ok |
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| 09:31.38 | peterS | JohnnyST: if that doesn't work, pon / poff |
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| 09:31.52 | wishie | how can i drop all packets from going to a certain ip (192.168.0.3 for example) using iptables ? |
| 09:31.57 | harriet | But some of what I remember seemed to be simply differing bugfix revisions. |
| 09:32.07 | JohnnyST | peterS pon / poff dose not work it tries to do a call by modem.. |
| 09:32.25 | peterS | JohnnyST: well, 'pon dsl-provider' / 'poff dsl-provider' perhaps |
| 09:32.30 | harriet | What is /dev/pty?? for anyway? |
| 09:32.32 | liable | JohnnyST: do you have a adsl modem before the box? |
| 09:32.34 | bob2 | harriet: right, but dpkg doesn't know that, and doing manual library dependencies is strongly discouraged (to avoid mistakes) |
| 09:32.44 | JohnnyST | liable: Yes. |
| 09:32.49 | harriet | I know, bob2. |
| 09:32.50 | bob2 | wishie: iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -s 1.2.3.4 |
| 09:32.50 | peterS | harriet: old bsd-style pseudo-terminals. few if any debian apps use them anymore, everyone has switched to unix98 style |
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| 09:33.05 | b00 | hey, dmesg and getty, which package are they from ? |
| 09:33.05 | liable | JohnnyST: ifdown eth0 |
| 09:33.17 | wishie | bob2: that will stop my gateway from masqing to that ip ? |
| 09:33.19 | bob2 | b00: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 09:33.31 | harriet | peterS: Any ideas why one of my two machines has them and the other doesn't? |
| 09:33.32 | bob2 | wishie: probably not |
| 09:33.44 | bob2 | wishie: you might need to put in the FORWARD table |
| 09:33.48 | wishie | well, thats what i want to do.. |
| 09:33.49 | JohnnyST | liable: No it uses pppoe so it has a ppp0 interface. |
| 09:33.52 | peterS | harriet: you probably don't need them on modern machines. perhaps 'makedev' no longer defaults to creating them on new installs |
| 09:34.07 | harriet | Both machines are running udev and debian-supplied 2.6.11 kernel images |
| 09:34.07 | liable | JohnnyST: oh, peterS suggestions then. |
| 09:34.08 | wishie | ive tried the FORWARD table, doesnt seem to stop it |
| 09:34.15 | JohnnyST | liable: ok. |
| 09:34.19 | peterS | JohnnyST: well, pppoe creates a ppp0 interface but goes through eth0, so it could be either one. I haven't tried the ifup/ifdown method since my install is older |
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| 09:36.24 | harriet | peterS: I can't seem to find where those are coming from. |
| 09:36.45 | peterS | harriet: udev is a maze of twisty passages, all alike. I can't help you with udev |
| 09:37.00 | harriet | You're telling me. |
| 09:37.09 | b00 | Reinstallation of util-linux is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. What does this mean ? |
| 09:37.10 | trueno | Could anyone point me to an updated sources.list? (for sid distro) |
| 09:37.33 | wishie | trueno: updated ? |
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| 09:37.41 | bob2 | trueno: use the 'apt-setup' command instead |
| 09:37.46 | JohnnyST | peterS: Ok I have to test :) |
| 09:38.05 | Whisky_ | Yay i just installed Debian CD1 which i downloaded on Dialup :P |
| 09:38.29 | Whisky_ | problem: When i type "KPPP" in Terminal it says "Can not connect to X server" although everything's fine and I'm logged into KDE :/ |
| 09:38.31 | liable | Whisky_: hehe, congrats. |
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| 09:38.36 | wishie | hmm, perhaps its cause of all the rules that the 'ipmasq' debian package sets up..what is the minimal set of rules i need to share internet to my internal network, using iptables |
| 09:38.36 | Whisky_ | liable: Thanks :D |
| 09:38.53 | liable | Whisky_: try pon |
| 09:38.58 | harriet | Whisky_: Are you su to root to run that? |
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| 09:39.06 | wishie | Whisky_: are you trying 'kppp' as root ? if so, it will give you that error |
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| 09:39.36 | Whisky_ | yeah i tried it as root :S But as a normal user "whisky" it wont open kppp for no good reason at all |
| 09:39.57 | liable | Whisky_: adduser whisky dialout |
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| 09:40.16 | wishie | does dpkg have a factoid about masq with iptables ? |
| 09:40.35 | Whisky_ | liable: "whisky" is already added.... |
| 09:40.43 | Whisky_ | or does that just give the permission to dialout ? |
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| 09:41.04 | Whisky_ | wishie: fix my system first :D |
| 09:41.20 | harriet | Did you do that after you logged in on KDE? |
| 09:41.24 | wishie | Whisky_: no error message when trying to run kppp as a normal user ? |
| 09:41.28 | pjn | Whisky_: have you logged out and in since you've added yourself to the group? try "id" |
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| 09:41.38 | Whisky_ | :S |
| 09:41.47 | Whisky_ | k brb reboot |
| 09:41.51 | peterS | 'id' should have a companion binary 'hoc' |
| 09:41.51 | wishie | nah, dont reboot |
| 09:41.52 | harriet | You might try 'sg dialout' |
| 09:41.56 | mlchna | hola |
| 09:42.00 | wishie | just logout completely, and log back in |
| 09:42.08 | Whisky_ | wishie: KPPP doesnt even open as a normal user |
| 09:42.10 | mlchna | hola |
| 09:42.15 | peterS | mlchna: you just said that |
| 09:42.19 | Whisky_ | wishie: Im on windows now, need to reboot to go there =p |
| 09:42.23 | liable | !br |
| 09:42.23 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:42.30 | harriet | Oh. |
| 09:42.41 | Whisky_ | ..............reboot............... |
| 09:42.47 | wishie | Whisky_: fair enough |
| 09:42.51 | mlchna | holaz |
| 09:42.56 | b00 | :P |
| 09:43.10 | mlchna | eooooooooooooo¡ |
| 09:43.20 | liable | mlchna: please stop it |
| 09:43.45 | mlchna | holaaaaaaaaa |
| 09:43.49 | harriet | Now I'm waiting for kernel-image-2.6.12-powerpc to show up. |
| 09:43.52 | mlchna | eoooooooooooooooooooo¡ |
| 09:43.53 | peterS | mlchna: go away now. thank you. |
| 09:44.00 | liable | bob2: can you +q mlchna |
| 09:44.07 | dddss | what minidistro i can put on an 386 with 4mb ram? |
| 09:44.09 | pjn | Whisky_: before you go, there's pon and pppsetup |
| 09:44.10 | liable | please :) |
| 09:44.18 | prodigel | Question: I have debian. Can I get packages from ubuntu by modifying sources.list (or other files)? Not to install them, but only to download them? |
| 09:44.19 | peterS | liable: he'll have to make space in the banlist first |
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| 09:44.31 | bob2 | prodigel: no |
| 09:44.32 | pjn | Whisky_: which will let you get on without using kppp, if you can't get kppp to work |
| 09:44.32 | liable | peterS: hah, forgot about that :) |
| 09:44.35 | mlchna | hola |
| 09:44.37 | bob2 | that will break, please don't try |
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| 09:44.53 | liable | thanks |
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| 09:45.12 | prodigel | Bob2: then hwo can I download them ? |
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| 09:45.21 | harriet | prodigel: Have you tried to get apt-zip to work yet? |
| 09:45.23 | bob2 | prodigel: as I said already, apt-zip |
| 09:45.23 | [sr] | howdy |
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| 09:45.43 | [sr] | does any one get me a working sources.list for "unstable" ?:) |
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| 09:46.03 | mlchna | hola |
| 09:46.09 | prodigel | bob2: apt-zip won't get the packages for debian instead of ubuntu ? |
| 09:46.15 | mlchna | alooo¡ |
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| 09:46.34 | bob2 | [sr]: use the apt-setup program |
| 09:46.40 | bob2 | prodigel: not if your friend uses it |
| 09:46.43 | liable | [sr]: do you think you should really run unstable if you cant even work out the sources list? |
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| 09:47.23 | [sr] | liable err i do |
| 09:47.31 | liable | [sr]: not trying to be rude or anything.. |
| 09:47.35 | liable | [sr]: ok. |
| 09:47.42 | [sr] | i just don't want to search for for the mirrors:P |
| 09:47.54 | bob2 | so, use apt-setup |
| 09:47.57 | [sr] | ya |
| 09:48.00 | [sr] | never tried |
| 09:48.05 | [sr] | always edited by hand |
| 09:48.09 | harriet | Goodnight. |
| 09:48.15 | [sr] | 'n the mirrir i used ....puff |
| 09:48.19 | prodigel | bob2: Couldn't find package apt-setup |
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| 09:48.32 | bob2 | prodigel: #4, apt-zip |
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| 09:49.13 | ids | hello: >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. |
| 09:49.14 | b00 | how can I reinstall util-linux ? |
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| 09:49.22 | ids | however i have install them all |
| 09:49.27 | b00 | for some reason it tell me its not downloadable |
| 09:49.32 | liable | ids: libncurses5-dev |
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| 09:49.52 | ids | liable: thanks, i have everything else install relatd to ncurses except this :) |
| 09:49.57 | peterS | ids: and if you have no idea how compilers work, maybe just insatll binary packages |
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| 09:50.24 | bob2 | b00: what does packages.debian.org say? |
| 09:50.35 | b00 | bob2: it says , .. |
| 09:50.50 | b00 | Package: util-linux (2.12p-4, 2.12-3) |
| 09:51.37 | b00 | along with other descriptions |
| 09:52.13 | b00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.13 | bob2 | cool |
| 09:52.20 | bob2 | then I guess your sources.list is broken |
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| 09:52.52 | b00 | urgh |
| 09:52.55 | Whisky_ | errr KSirc sucks |
| 09:52.59 | bob2 | yes |
| 09:53.16 | trueno | bob2: ok |
| 09:53.18 | Whisky_ | by the way |
| 09:53.23 | Whisky_ | liable: pon worked =p |
| 09:53.27 | liable | Whisky_: try xchat for gui, or irssi-text for console |
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| 09:53.30 | liable | Whisky_: :) |
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| 09:54.08 | Whisky_ | liable: but what about KPPP :s Im hoping to get my dad to switch to Debian but if KPPP doesnt work, no way he's gonna shift....he likes GUI's :p |
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| 09:55.33 | liable | Whisky_: dunno why it doesnt, never used it, sorry. I am surprised if pon works, that kppp doesnt, try poking around in the menu's etc. |
| 09:55.56 | Whisky_ | ok |
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| 09:56.14 | liable | Whisky_: are you starting it from cli? |
| 09:56.32 | liable | Whisky_: or from the menu's? |
| 09:56.37 | Whisky_ | And yes, kppp turns out "Permission denied" eventhough "whisky" already is in "dialout" and "kppp" on "root" still gives error connection to X server. |
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| 09:56.48 | Whisky_ | liable: Tried both. CLI shows the error and menus keep quiet. |
| 09:56.55 | liable | ok. |
| 09:57.07 | liable | Whisky_: try #debian-kde |
| 09:57.11 | Whisky_ | ok |
| 09:57.16 | sepski | Whisky_, you read the docs on /usr/share/doc/kppp ? |
| 09:57.33 | Whisky_ | sepski: No :/ |
| 09:57.47 | liable | sepski: good idea :) |
| 09:58.10 | sepski | Whisky_, well allways check whats in the /usr/share/doc/packagename, often there is a good info there, directly from the maintainer. |
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| 09:58.28 | Whisky_ | kl |
| 09:58.53 | sepski | Whisky_, dont know about kppp, but it's generaly a good thumb |
| 09:59.12 | sepski | umm + rule of |
| 09:59.32 | Whisky_ | Right. And did I hear something about WVdial ? |
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| 09:59.44 | liable | Whisky_: its cli only |
| 09:59.59 | Whisky_ | oh k |
| 10:00.15 | Whisky_ | liable: And to my surprise, PAP authentication is working now :/ |
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| 10:01.50 | bomb | anyone know how i can start gdm after installing fluxbox, removing the .xsession file isn't starting gnome and manually adding gnome to the flux menu isn't working |
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| 10:05.24 | hussam | what do you do if dpkg is corrupted and you need to reinstall it? please help |
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| 10:06.13 | sepski | hussam, the dpkg file itself or the dpkg database ? |
| 10:07.01 | sepski | hussam, ie exactly what error message do you get ? |
| 10:07.23 | hussam | I have no idea, whenever I try to install something I get: |
| 10:07.26 | hussam | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
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| 10:08.01 | hussam | I tried dpkg-reconfigure dpkg , but I got an error that dpkg is not installed although it is. |
| 10:08.10 | bob2 | then it's not installed |
| 10:08.17 | bob2 | also, problems with ubuntu are off-topic here |
| 10:08.41 | hussam | I'm pretty desperate here. |
| 10:08.46 | hussam | I don't want to format |
| 10:08.59 | deadcat | hussam: you should have thought about that before installing ubuntu |
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| 10:09.20 | bob2 | come on dude |
| 10:09.26 | bob2 | the problem is probably disk corruption |
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| 10:09.34 | deadcat | hahah. my bad (= |
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| 10:09.41 | sepski | hussam, as bob2 said you should ask in #ubuntu, but i think something like boot on a livecd, mount your ubuntu, and run dpkg with --root |
| 10:09.46 | deadcat | just want to scare him a bit |
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| 10:10.12 | jhaig | Can someone help me find out why named crashed last night? I get three errors in /var/log/daemon.log - "sockaddr.c:382: fatal error:", "unknown address family: 2050" and "exiting (due to fatal error in library)" |
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| 10:10.32 | bob2 | show us the full lines from the log |
| 10:10.33 | bob2 | in #flood |
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| 10:11.36 | bob2 | wow, weird |
| 10:11.39 | bob2 | what did google say? |
| 10:11.58 | jhaig | Couldn't find anything, but maybe I was being too specific in the search. |
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| 10:12.17 | sepski | jhaig, are your named running again ok now ? |
| 10:12.32 | jhaig | This has happened before, and at least one time I have rung up my ISP to complain only to find later it was on my machine. |
| 10:12.38 | jhaig | Yes, named is running again now. |
| 10:12.50 | hussam | sepski: what if it is just the dpkg database, how would I fix that? |
| 10:12.57 | bob2 | are you using ipsec? |
| 10:13.02 | bob2 | hussam: you cant fix it, really |
| 10:13.40 | jhaig | It always seems to happen in the middle of the night, but that is probably just Murphey's Law. ;-) |
| 10:14.00 | bob2 | are you using freeswan? |
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| 10:14.24 | Whisky_ | ermmm....I cant mount my cdrom. mount /dev/cdrom isnt working |
| 10:14.33 | jhaig | bob2: Are these questions to me? |
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| 10:15.05 | bob2 | jhaig: yes |
| 10:15.29 | jhaig | I'm using the default dns daemon in Debian, which I believe is Bind |
| 10:15.42 | bob2 | yes |
| 10:15.45 | sepski | Whisky_, tried mount /cdrom |
| 10:16.10 | liable | Whisky_: you shouldnt really need to, you cant see the cdrom drive in konq? |
| 10:16.14 | cahoot | Whisky_: or /media/cdrom |
| 10:16.42 | Whisky_ | sepski: Tried both, none works |
| 10:16.44 | sepski | jhaig, you dont use any kind of tunneling at all ? |
| 10:16.50 | liable | or /dev/hdc :) |
| 10:16.52 | jhaig | I have neither ipsec nor freeswan installed. |
| 10:16.54 | Whisky_ | liable: Cant see....Although it did work during the installation process... |
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| 10:17.15 | sepski | jhaig, nor ipv6 tunneling over ipv4 or gre or tun or any other ? |
| 10:17.26 | Whisky_ | hehehe |
| 10:17.27 | liable | Whisky_: is it in fstab (it should be) |
| 10:17.45 | jhaig | sepski: Not that I am aware of. It is pretty much a default configuration. I don't think I have even changed the dns servers it looks up (perhaps I should). |
| 10:17.56 | Whisky_ | hang... |
| 10:18.10 | jhaig | It is on a machine running squid. I don't know if that is relevant. |
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| 10:18.45 | liable | Whisky_: did you install with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:19.00 | Whisky_ | No, 2.4.27-2 |
| 10:19.30 | Whisky_ | I only have the first CD :p |
| 10:19.50 | liable | Whisky_: install the 2.6 one. Then you dont need ide-scssi stuff. Its on there. |
| 10:20.02 | Whisky_ | It is on the 1st Disc ? |
| 10:20.06 | liable | yes |
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| 10:20.13 | Whisky_ | so how do i install it ? :S |
| 10:20.32 | liable | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:20.33 | sepski | Whisky_, aptitute search kernel-image then aptitude install kernel-image-version you want etc etc |
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| 10:21.07 | liable | Whisky_: then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.blah |
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| 10:21.26 | Whisky_ | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:21.49 | Whisky_ | by the way, here's the error i get: http://pastebin.com/319069 |
| 10:22.05 | Whisky_ | so, does the new kernel image replace my existing one ? |
| 10:22.07 | deadcat | is there a way to clear those packages taht has ^pn in dpkg -l? |
| 10:22.25 | sepski | Whisky_, you realy have a old cpu ? |
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| 10:22.38 | Whisky_ | sepski: Intel P4 1.8 GHz |
| 10:22.47 | sepski | Whisky_, then use the 686 one |
| 10:22.52 | deadcat | that aint old. i am on p3 800mhz |
| 10:22.59 | Whisky_ | kk |
| 10:23.11 | sepski | Whisky_, iirc if you use hyperthreading you should also use the smp kernel... can someone confirm or revoke that ? |
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| 10:23.36 | Whisky_ | sepski: Perhaps my dad needs the smp one on his 3.2Ghz HT |
| 10:23.36 | liable | Whisky_: what was in the cd drive? didnt you just find the kernel-image on it? |
| 10:23.48 | Whisky_ | liable: Havent searched :/ |
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| 10:24.06 | Whisky_ | Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a Sarge - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
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| 10:24.36 | sepski | Whisky_, i was more wondering if HT required the smp kernel or not. if someone could confirm |
| 10:24.50 | drac | sepski: Yes it would require smp kernel |
| 10:25.09 | Whisky_ | ok its installing the kernel from the CD now :/ |
| 10:25.11 | bob2 | HT does require a kernel with SMP and ACPI CPU enumeration |
| 10:25.12 | liable | only if you want to use hyperthreading though innnit? |
| 10:25.17 | drac | HT needs SMT from kernel, that depends on SMP. |
| 10:25.19 | szzs | hi, i have to udma 133 compatible disks on the same cable connected and only one is recongnized at 133 the other at 100. why isnt the other recognized also at 133 ? |
| 10:25.23 | Whisky_ | done, installed:| |
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| 10:25.24 | szzs | *two |
| 10:25.36 | deadcat | i want a SMP cpu (= |
| 10:25.37 | mitu | sepski: thre is a special HT option at compile time, but yes, you would need smp support also |
| 10:25.40 | liable | Whisky_: so, the cdrom drive is ok :) |
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| 10:25.52 | Whisky_ | liable: But it wasent picking it up :/ |
| 10:26.13 | Whisky_ | now...reboot ? |
| 10:26.16 | aramanth | will gcc4.0 compile a new sarge kernel? -- im following the nvidia on sarge instructions |
| 10:26.49 | liable | Whisky_: yeah. |
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| 10:27.05 | Whisky_ | wish me best of luck....ba bye |
| 10:27.13 | drac | aramanth: 2.6.12 and newer should build on gcc4.. but why are you using gcc4 on sarge? |
| 10:27.23 | liable | aramanth: where did you get gcc-4.0? if you are on sarge? |
| 10:27.44 | sepski | mitu, thanks |
| 10:27.52 | aramanth | liable, drac, i added the unstable repos to install ruby on rails and to get the nvidia kernel |
| 10:27.56 | wheeler | please, whats the newest version of libc6 for unstable? |
| 10:27.57 | sepski | drac, thanks |
| 10:28.08 | aramanth | m-a prepare installed gcc4 |
| 10:28.40 | aramanth | im guessing i want to downgrade to gcc3.4 |
| 10:28.47 | sepski | aramanth, congrats you are running a mixed distro |
| 10:28.51 | liable | aramanth: you just added sid sources and installed stuff? |
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| 10:28.58 | drac | aramanth: you can't build nvidia-kernel using gcc4 or gcc3.4 if kernel is build with gcc3.3 |
| 10:29.16 | aramanth | so am i borked? |
| 10:29.30 | liable | quite possibly... |
| 10:29.39 | wheeler | please, whats the newest version of libc6 for unstable? does anybody know? |
| 10:29.42 | aramanth | and how do i make it grab just the nvidia and rails packages from unstable |
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| 10:29.51 | liable | !info libc6 sid |
| 10:29.54 | sepski | aramanth, if you can remember all the packages you installed or upgraded with sid sources you might be able to downgrade one and one manualy. or purge anre reinstall sarge packaes |
| 10:29.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sid), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 10:30.05 | liable | !tell wheeler about search |
| 10:30.08 | aramanth | sepski, yep i know what packages |
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| 10:30.28 | aramanth | sepski, how do i do this? |
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| 10:30.39 | szzs | hi, i have 2 udma 133 compatible disks on the same cable connected and only one is recongnized at 133 the other at 100. why isnt the other recognized also at 133 ? |
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| 10:30.59 | sepski | aramanth, write them down before you forget, fix your sources (remove sid) then purge and reinstall or reinstall with force |
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| 10:31.17 | lared_ | ola |
| 10:31.23 | sepski | aramanth, if you want something from sid on your sarge, you want to do /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:31.26 | lared_ | hay algun español? |
| 10:31.28 | liable | aramanth: you didnt dist-upgrade? |
| 10:31.31 | sepski | !es |
| 10:31.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:31.32 | liable | !es |
| 10:31.34 | aramanth | liable, nope |
| 10:31.43 | liable | aramanth: good :) |
| 10:31.43 | yo | ecj |
| 10:31.49 | yo | ech os hablo yo |
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| 10:32.04 | wheeler | w |
| 10:32.08 | liable | yo: /j #debian-es |
| 10:32.12 | sepski | !tell yo about es |
| 10:32.22 | segment | im trying to run apache in a chroot, but the output of strace chroot /chroot/httpd /usr/sbin/httpd says the file doesnt exist.. but i checked with ls and its there, any ideas? |
| 10:32.45 | trc | lared, ve a #debian-es |
| 10:32.48 | aramanth | liable, sepski, drac : thanks im gonna try fix it |
| 10:33.05 | liable | aramanth: good luck :) |
| 10:33.05 | yo | ola |
| 10:33.20 | liable | yo: english only please. |
| 10:33.25 | sepski | aramanth, second that |
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| 10:33.42 | yo | eo |
| 10:33.43 | yo | ola |
| 10:33.52 | yo | esk soy española |
| 10:34.10 | yo | eo |
| 10:34.12 | liable | bob2: could you +q another? :) |
| 10:34.16 | yo | k soy española |
| 10:34.22 | yo | hablame en español |
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| 10:34.30 | drac | yo: Shup up. /join #debian-es |
| 10:34.35 | yo | in spanish please |
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| 10:34.40 | drac | shut ;) |
| 10:34.42 | faked | what are newraff & newamosa? |
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| 10:35.01 | aramanth | liable, sepski most of the stuff i can just remove, i dont need it |
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| 10:35.02 | liable | cheers |
| 10:35.10 | sepski | aramanth, then that's the best way |
| 10:35.51 | bob2 | faked: two debian.org machines. newraff is ftp-master, and handles uploads of new packages (so no new packages or new versions will appear until it's back), newsamosa does db.debian.org, so I don't think the public will notice it being down. |
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| 10:37.49 | jhaig | OK, as I cannot find why named occasionally dies on me, can anyone tell me if there is a package that will check at, say, 6am every day to check to see if certain daemons are running, and restart them if not. |
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| 10:38.37 | mitu | jhaig: use daemontools to supervise your daemons |
| 10:38.46 | paster | "aramanth" at 81.6.249.197 pasted "packages list" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/386 |
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| 10:39.20 | jhaig | mitu: Thanks |
| 10:39.28 | aramanth | could someone review my packages list and tell me if i need any of them, otherwise im removing them all |
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| 10:39.53 | Whisky_ | success! |
| 10:39.58 | bob2 | yeah, removing things you don't understand sounds like a great idea |
| 10:40.06 | aramanth | http://channels.debian.net/paste/386 |
| 10:40.24 | Whisky_ | but the thing is....why cant I have 1024*768 resolution? im on 800*600 :[ |
| 10:40.34 | aramanth | i think i need dpkg and binutils, but and possibly the some of the libraries |
| 10:40.35 | nagual | becuase you suxx0r?!?! |
| 10:40.39 | Whisky_ | :O |
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| 10:40.46 | Whisky_ | no, i pwn j00 |
| 10:40.49 | Whisky_ | ^_^ |
| 10:40.55 | bob2 | aramanth: use aptitude install packages in future, and you won't have this "problem |
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| 10:41.01 | nagual | but i have 1600x1200@85hz |
| 10:41.01 | jhaig | mitu; Am I right in thinking that if I use daemontools, then named does not need to be started in the init scripts? |
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| 10:41.06 | aramanth | bob2, i have seen the error of my ways |
| 10:41.19 | faked | bob2: thank you for information |
| 10:41.19 | Whisky_ | nagual: My monitor can go 1024*768 max :p |
| 10:41.37 | bob2 | potentially only dpkg, libgcc and libstcd++ are essential |
| 10:41.44 | mitu | jhaig: yes |
| 10:41.44 | liable | Whisky_: the 2.6 kernel gave you a different resolution? |
| 10:41.45 | bob2 | but please look at the warnings apt will give you |
| 10:42.25 | aramanth | ty |
| 10:42.31 | drac | Whisky_: HorizSync and VertRefresh matches values from 'hwinfo --monitor' or manual ? |
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| 10:42.42 | Whisky_ | liable: No, it's the same as the last but I dont have 1024*768 as a resolution. All I can choose is 800*600 max |
| 10:42.46 | Whisky_ | drac: Manual :S |
| 10:43.03 | drac | Whisky_: What driver, card? |
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| 10:43.07 | sepski | bob2, if aptitude upgraded a package becouse of a dependency, it wond downgrade it, when you ahve mixed sources |
| 10:43.15 | jhaig | mitu: Thanks again. Why does aptitude show an installer that will create a deb file, rather than the package itself? Is it not gpl? |
| 10:43.19 | Whisky_ | drac: Intel onboard graphic card |
| 10:43.24 | liable | !drxx Whisky_ |
| 10:43.25 | dpkg | Whisky_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 10:43.29 | bob2 | sepski: you can make it downgrade things |
| 10:43.36 | bob2 | but if you're mixing sources, you've already lost |
| 10:43.45 | Whisky_ | xfree86 |
| 10:43.48 | sepski | bob2, that's what he did |
| 10:43.49 | liable | no upgrade yet.. |
| 10:43.53 | Whisky_ | k but how do i know what refresh rates to give ? |
| 10:44.01 | mitu | jhaig: not quite, it's license prohibits redistribution in binary form without keeping the author's installation layout |
| 10:44.09 | sepski | Whisky_, use a simpler monitor config method. |
| 10:44.12 | liable | Whisky_: lcd? or crt? |
| 10:44.23 | Whisky_ | liable: CRT |
| 10:44.24 | mitu | jhaig: so debian tries to be LSB compliant and installs it differently |
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| 10:44.31 | mitu | jhaig: that's why it's like that |
| 10:44.37 | jhaig | mitu: Ah right, one of those. I think I have seen that before on another package. |
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| 10:44.52 | mitu | jhaig: all of DJB's software are like that |
| 10:45.04 | Whisky_ | ahhh |
| 10:45.12 | Whisky_ | i chose the wrong driver during install, i remember now |
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| 10:46.52 | liable | Whisky_: that wont really have anything to do with your resolution. If you picked vesa, thats ok, but a completely wrong driver, wont really work.. |
| 10:47.21 | Whisky_ | liable: When I chose the correct one, it picked up my monitor and increased my refresh rates by lotssssssss |
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| 10:48.13 | liable | Whisky_: oh, well blow me down... :) |
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| 10:48.24 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 10:48.32 | Whisky_ | ermmm, where do i configure my screen resolution again? :S |
| 10:48.37 | sepski | !drxx |
| 10:48.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! |
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| 10:48.53 | Coyctecm | Hi, Ihave problem with swat? http://localhost:901 don't let me in swat |
| 10:49.10 | Whisky_ | sepski: I did configure it. Have to choose the resolution in KDE now :/ |
| 10:49.11 | sepski | Coyctecm, is it running and listening ? netstat -plont |
| 10:49.15 | liable | Coyctecm: thats not the port for swat.. |
| 10:49.28 | ixion | how can I automatically block an IP address if it has more than x number of failed user/password attempts? I had about 2000 attempts lastnight, the attack used up all my bandwidth |
| 10:49.35 | ixion | Jul 17 23:43:27 gsx3 sshd[12731]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for ev1s-66-98-254-45.ev1servers.net failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! |
| 10:49.43 | ixion | I see that in auth.log |
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| 10:50.06 | liable | Coyctecm: um, dont listen to me, having a brain fart :P |
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| 10:50.32 | Whisky_ | do i need to logout and login again? |
| 10:50.40 | sepski | ixion, hmm perhaps portsentry could do that |
| 10:50.41 | boguh | have can i move mails fetched by fetchmail move to one special folder with procmail (not in /var/mail/user)? |
| 10:50.45 | PerfDave | ixion: http://www.debian-administration.org/ has a recent article about blocking things easily with iptables if they try to connect to your system too rapidly. |
| 10:50.58 | ixion | ill have a look thanks |
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| 10:51.13 | PerfDave | ixion: And this may be an odd question, but do you race motorbikes by any chance? |
| 10:52.27 | cahoot | PerfDave: out of interest - would blocking attempts via iptables reduce the badwidth use? |
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| 10:52.52 | ixion | lol no PerfDave, but I am aware of the ixion motorsport website :p |
| 10:52.54 | PerfDave | cahoot: Yes, but probably not by too much. |
| 10:53.10 | PerfDave | ixion: Fair enough, I live with one of Team Ixion Racing, thought you might be another ;) |
| 10:54.27 | ixion | fs, I've been paging through these logs for about 5mins and it still hasn't stopped |
| 10:54.37 | ixion | its a lot more than 2000 attempts and now I can see multiple IP addresses |
| 10:54.45 | ixion | how do I change the listening port for ssh ? |
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| 10:54.57 | liable | in the config.. |
| 10:54.59 | nagual | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.59 | sepski | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:55.02 | ixion | ta |
| 10:55.03 | nagual | 2fast4u |
| 10:55.08 | ixion | lol |
| 10:55.16 | nagual | cahoot: concerning what? |
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| 10:55.31 | ixion | what port does 69 use again ? |
| 10:55.49 | aramanth | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success -- when trying to downgrade dpkg |
| 10:55.53 | ixion | um, what uses port 69 even |
| 10:55.54 | nagual | me and my girlfriend (PORTia) |
| 10:56.03 | nagual | hehe |
| 10:56.15 | liable | ixion: grep /etc/services |
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| 10:56.59 | McCabe | hello |
| 10:57.00 | cahoot | nagual: well he was concerned that the massive attacks were consuming bandwidth - I wondered if blocking those with iptables would reduce the bandwidth use of the attack |
| 10:57.04 | sepski | ixion, tftp |
| 10:57.20 | ixion | ah yeah thats it |
| 10:57.20 | nagual | aha, could be. |
| 10:57.26 | aramanth | sepski, bob2 dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 10:57.32 | McCabe | is it possible to use dpkg to install debs in useds home dir? ie, if you want to use some software but dont have root access? |
| 10:57.38 | bob2 | aramanth: that's not a useful error |
| 10:57.46 | bob2 | aramanth: show the whole output in #flood |
| 10:57.51 | bob2 | aramanth: along with the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:57.51 | aramanth | when trying to downgrade dpkg using the command apt-get install dpkg=version.from.stable |
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| 10:58.27 | szzs | hi, i have 2 udma 133 compatible disks on the same cable connected and only one is recongnized at 133 the other at 100. why isnt the other recognized also at 133 ? |
| 10:58.34 | Whisky_ | well what do u know |
| 10:58.36 | bob2 | aramanth: you probably can't downgrade dpkg |
| 10:58.43 | Whisky_ | im on 1024*768 resolution and KPPP is working too :/ |
| 10:58.52 | liable | aramanth: why dpkg? |
| 10:58.58 | bob2 | szzs: is it a udma-133 cable? is it less than 12" long? |
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| 10:59.40 | szzs | bob2 yep it is, cause the other works on 133 |
| 10:59.41 | bob2 | aramanth: why on earth are you downgrading dpkg? |
| 10:59.45 | bob2 | McCabe: no |
| 10:59.50 | aramanth | liable, it upgraded to the one in unstable |
| 10:59.52 | aramanth | bob2, i want to go back to the version from stable |
| 10:59.52 | bob2 | szzs: no, that doesn't mean that |
| 10:59.58 | bob2 | aramanth: why? |
| 11:00.00 | McCabe | bob2: ok, thanks |
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| 11:00.02 | bob2 | aramanth: you probably can't |
| 11:00.05 | aramanth | yeah |
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| 11:00.10 | aramanth | hence the errors |
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| 11:00.23 | aramanth | any ideas on what to do about it? |
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| 11:00.32 | ixion | ok sweet, got ssh port changed hopefully stop these script attacks |
| 11:00.48 | ixion | now, does anyone know how to allow kerberos authentication via ssh ? |
| 11:00.53 | liable | aramanth: out of interest, what does dpkg -l dpkg say? |
| 11:00.59 | bob2 | aramanth: why are you downgrading? |
| 11:01.09 | mitu | ixion: intall ssh-krb5 |
| 11:01.11 | szzs | bob2: why? both are on the same cable, one is master the other is slave. one works on 100 the other on 133. dmesg and dd speed tests confirmed that also |
| 11:01.18 | sepski | bob2, he was the one with the mixed system by accident |
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| 11:01.25 | bob2 | then you're screwed |
| 11:01.31 | aramanth | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
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| 11:01.33 | mitu | ixion: and read about the sshd_config options for enabling GSSAPI authentication |
| 11:01.39 | bob2 | szzs: does reversing them change anything? |
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| 11:01.44 | ixion | gassapi |
| 11:01.50 | setog3 | hi |
| 11:01.54 | aramanth | bob2, becuase i borked my system trying to install the nvidia kernel module |
| 11:01.57 | Bud_Lite | Could someone help me with a Xircom Realport2 NIC? It's not running in full-duplex mode, and I'm not sure how to change it under Sarge |
| 11:01.58 | ixion | cool thanks |
| 11:02.02 | szzs | bob2 i will try |
| 11:02.02 | setog3 | in unstable X is broken ? or we can upgrade now ? |
| 11:02.16 | aramanth | is this a reinstall job? |
| 11:02.17 | Gnutz | Anybody know how I call the framebuffer console driver from Grub? |
| 11:02.22 | bob2 | aramanth: you downgrades are not supported, and in general don't work, right? |
| 11:02.25 | ixion | change it through ifconfig aint it |
| 11:02.26 | Gnutz | Is it the same as in Lilo? |
| 11:02.34 | bob2 | Bud_Lite: mii-tool might work |
| 11:02.49 | liable | setog3: live on the wild side, deal if it breaks. |
| 11:02.55 | aramanth | bob2, friends dont let friends use apt-get when tired |
| 11:02.56 | Bud_Lite | ixion, bob2: Thanks, looking into it. |
| 11:03.09 | ixion | eh |
| 11:03.10 | aramanth | or edit sources.list |
| 11:03.22 | antifuchs | hello. I'm experimenting with udev 063-1 (following the guide at http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Using_UDEV.shtml); when I issue 'udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda)' (/dev/sda being the device of my camera), udev tells me "couldn't get the class device" instead of giving me the USB device information that I expected. is that a problem with my kernel configuration or is that related to debian's version of udev? |
| 11:03.23 | Whisky_ | Konqueror is a bad bad browser >:| |
| 11:03.33 | aramanth | its a reinstall for me |
| 11:03.33 | sepski | aramanth, dpkg -i dpkg.deb dont work ? even with the --force's ? |
| 11:03.35 | liable | aramanth: so dpkg baulks completely on any command? |
| 11:03.47 | aramanth | liable, sepski, yep |
| 11:03.49 | Gnutz | Yep. Konqueror is a bloated piece of shit. |
| 11:04.13 | liable | Whisky_: well, you did install kde... |
| 11:04.22 | sepski | aramanth, in the very worst case you can unplack dpkg manualy in /tmp and move the files into right places manualy, then you should be able to run dpkg again |
| 11:04.26 | bob2 | antifuchs: are you sure your camera is sda? |
| 11:04.28 | liable | aramanth: indeed, said non-free, not sid :) |
| 11:04.29 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 11:04.34 | Whisky_ | it sucks, im downloading FireFox =p |
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| 11:04.50 | gogo3or | how can i check for bad sectors |
| 11:04.51 | antifuchs | bob2: brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 0 Jul 23 12:40 /dev/sda; dmesg says so, too. |
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| 11:05.02 | Whisky_ | nothing against Konqueror but its really slow. |
| 11:05.02 | gogo3or | but not use badblocks |
| 11:05.04 | liable | gogo3or: badblocks |
| 11:05.08 | liable | gah |
| 11:05.13 | gogo3or | liable, not badblocks |
| 11:05.14 | antifuchs | bob2: it doesn't show up in udevinfo -r -d either. |
| 11:05.24 | bob2 | antifuchs: hrm, ok |
| 11:05.34 | sepski | gogo3or, badblocks, best used with mkfs -t fstype -c -c |
| 11:05.44 | aramanth | is it possible to do a netinst over ssh? |
| 11:05.48 | antifuchs | I just tried with my usb key; same result |
| 11:06.01 | gogo3or | sepski, ? |
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| 11:06.09 | gogo3or | for reiserfs |
| 11:06.09 | bob2 | aramanth: not unless your hardware supports it |
| 11:06.11 | sepski | gogo3or, read man badblocks |
| 11:06.58 | gogo3or | sepski, I was scan on windows and nope but on debian i have got 4 bad blocks |
| 11:07.01 | sepski | gogo3or, the point of badblocks is to find a list of bad sectors so your filesystem dont use that. when you make your filesystem with mkfs you can call badblocks with -c argument |
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| 11:07.16 | abrotman | karsten: i was sleeping! |
| 11:07.29 | sepski | gogo3or, on a running filessytem i dont know, probably man badblocks |
| 11:07.30 | aramanth | bob2, sorry i mean, i want to start the netinst, and then log in from antoher location to answer questions etc |
| 11:07.59 | bob2 | aramanth: not on i386, afaik |
| 11:08.01 | bob2 | try #debian-boot |
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| 11:08.34 | sepski | aramanth, simplest would be a livecd with netaccess and ip and run ssh into that, then a debbotstrap install perhaps |
| 11:08.34 | abrotman | aramanth: you can start an ssh server |
| 11:08.37 | ixion | should I be worried about: Jul 23 06:25:02 gsx3 su[32480]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 11:08.37 | ixion | Jul 23 06:25:02 gsx3 su[32480]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
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| 11:09.13 | sepski | ixion, cronjob perhaps ? |
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| 11:09.27 | ixion | my cron jobs dont use su |
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| 11:09.49 | ixion | this happened during a brute force attach |
| 11:09.50 | jim | bob2: they don't want help traffic... they request ask here first... |
| 11:10.02 | bob2 | jim: yes, I know |
| 11:10.09 | jim | oh, sorry |
| 11:10.09 | bob2 | jim: do you know if d-i can do ssh installs on ir86? |
| 11:10.26 | jim | I -think- so, but I'm not sure |
| 11:10.29 | aramanth | im just gonna do it by hand, and get it to installing packages |
| 11:10.46 | jhaig | Hmmm, the daemontools installer ends with "Good luck!" - that sounds ominous. ;-) |
| 11:11.11 | jim | there is something like that, but I forgot what it was |
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| 11:12.29 | abrotman | bob2: yes .. i did one for some guy here |
| 11:12.33 | Shay | !tell no_dammagE about root |
| 11:12.43 | bob2 | abrotman: oh, cool |
| 11:12.48 | abrotman | wait .. i *assumed* it was x86 .. since he was a gentoobie |
| 11:12.49 | sepski | nice quit from aramath |
| 11:12.52 | jim | jhaig: there exists bias against daemontools... look at what it does... it does a keepalive thing by watching a process and restarting if it goes away... some feel that if that happens, it's an indication of a problem to be fixed... |
| 11:13.05 | jim | but others feel this keepalive function is useful |
| 11:13.34 | jhaig | jim; yes, I have a problem to be fixed - named dies from time to time - but I have no idea how to fix it. |
| 11:13.39 | PerfDave | ixion: Uhm, your cronjobs *do* use su - if there's something in your /etc/crontab being run as user nobody, then root will su to nobody to run it. |
| 11:14.06 | Gnutz | YAY! I just answered my own question. kernel-2.4.27-nrb ro vga=791 |
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| 11:14.21 | abrotman | -nrb? |
| 11:14.25 | ixion | mitu: I dont see anything GSSAPI authentication in sshconfig, but I do see KerberosAuthentication yes - I have uncommented and restarted sshd but still cannot auth using kerberos via SSH. I see error: PAM: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. for stu from 10.0.0.112 |
| 11:14.30 | omry_ | why isn't mldonkey-server in testing? |
| 11:14.31 | Gnutz | I initialed it. |
| 11:14.44 | jim | jhaig: aha... is there any indication as to why it's dying? |
| 11:14.54 | Gnutz | That's my custom kernel package for the computer I'm running. |
| 11:15.06 | jim | also, where did this particular named come from? |
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| 11:15.13 | ixion | I dont have any crontab entries running as nobody |
| 11:15.16 | drac | !why mldonkey-server is not in testing? |
| 11:15.18 | dpkg | mldonkey-server is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mldonkey-server |
| 11:15.19 | abrotman | !why is mldonkey-server not in testing |
| 11:15.20 | dpkg | mldonkey-server is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mldonkey-server |
| 11:15.25 | drac | heh |
| 11:15.45 | jhaig | jim: It is from Bind and I am just getting to the log files now ... (yes there is something in them) |
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| 11:16.15 | jim | jhaig: how did you go about installing it? |
| 11:16.19 | omry_ | abrotman, drac, thanks. |
| 11:16.43 | jhaig | In /var/log/daemon.log I have the following messages: "sockaddr.c:382: fatal error:", "unknown address family: 2050" and "exiting (due to fatal error in library)" |
| 11:16.52 | mitu | ixion: it should be gssapi, kerberos is for krb4 |
| 11:17.14 | mitu | ixion: and you should look at man sshd_config |
| 11:17.18 | jhaig | jim: It was installed with Woody and probably updated when I moved to Sarge, but it had crashed while I was using Woody as well. |
| 11:17.41 | ixion | was I supposed to remove my current sshd before installing sshd-krb5 ? |
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| 11:18.19 | aurax | hello |
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| 11:18.24 | jim | ixion: one should replace the other, I would think |
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| 11:18.50 | aurax | im using sarge i would like to know how to add more ip's to my dedicated box, i receive 6 new from my provider and dont know how to add thme |
| 11:18.52 | aurax | them* |
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| 11:19.00 | omry_ | sadsa |
| 11:19.12 | ixion | aurax: man ifconfig |
| 11:19.19 | liable | I dont know what I like more, new hardware, or the bubblewrap it comes in.. :P |
| 11:19.21 | ixion | I beleive you add alias's |
| 11:19.33 | ixion | or virtual IP's |
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| 11:19.59 | jim | liable: there's bubblewrap in mailing stores :) |
| 11:20.10 | aurax | hrmm |
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| 11:20.20 | GodKilla- | hey |
| 11:20.25 | GodKilla- | ive got a problem |
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| 11:20.48 | jim | #psych-services is thattaway :) |
| 11:20.49 | ixion | you can add a virtual adapter, or an alias to your existing adapter that listens on multiple IP's - these are called aliases (Im guessing here so someone correct me if I am wrong) |
| 11:20.50 | jim | --> |
| 11:21.02 | jim | oh, not that problem? |
| 11:21.04 | PerfDave | aurax: Do you want your box to respond to those IPs itself, or just route them to internal machines? |
| 11:21.42 | aurax | hmm |
| 11:21.50 | aurax | those are external ip's |
| 11:21.54 | aurax | i want to assign to my box |
| 11:21.56 | GodKilla- | when configurating php with "./configure --with-apxs2=/home/Webserver/bin/apxs" it says "checking libxml2 install dir... no |
| 11:21.56 | GodKilla- | configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation." but i have installed it |
| 11:21.56 | jim | GodKilla-: so... tell us why! |
| 11:22.05 | aurax | my isp assigned them to me, now i have to add them. |
| 11:22.06 | ixion | for what purpose aurax |
| 11:22.07 | abrotman | GodKilla-: apt-get install php |
| 11:22.07 | aurax | that's all |
| 11:22.12 | aurax | dedicated box . |
| 11:22.14 | aurax | have many ip's. |
| 11:22.22 | ixion | so you want an IP address for no particular reason other than you can |
| 11:22.23 | aurax | normal issue man |
| 11:22.32 | aurax | i dont get you |
| 11:22.40 | ixion | you must have a reason for wanted more than one IP addresss |
| 11:22.43 | GodKilla- | abrotman: Couldn't find package php |
| 11:22.44 | ixion | wanting* |
| 11:22.48 | aurax | i got 7 ip's |
| 11:22.51 | aurax | i got stuff to run there. |
| 11:22.52 | ixion | omg.. |
| 11:22.53 | fatal__ | GodKilla-: php4... |
| 11:22.54 | abrotman | GodKilla-: are you using debian? |
| 11:22.54 | aurax | what does it matter? |
| 11:22.59 | jim | GodKilla-: usually libraries in debian are built up and then split into two packages, one good for things that run, the other good for things that build against them |
| 11:23.02 | GodKilla- | abrotman, yes -.- |
| 11:23.11 | abrotman | GodKilla-: apt-cache search php4 |
| 11:23.16 | GodKilla- | jim:...and? |
| 11:23.17 | ixion | because you are tiher going to listen to them locally or route them elsewhere, to other servers etc |
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| 11:23.29 | aurax | dude |
| 11:23.32 | aurax | what does it matter, |
| 11:23.33 | GodKilla- | abrotman: when try<ing to install php4 it says i ahve the newst one already |
| 11:23.34 | aurax | i want them to listen |
| 11:23.37 | jim | and if you're trying to build against libxml2, |
| 11:23.37 | antifuchs | ah, I found out what I'm doing wrong |
| 11:23.37 | aurax | on certein ports |
| 11:23.40 | aurax | so people like you could login |
| 11:23.43 | abrotman | GodKilla-: so what's wrong with your PHP ? |
| 11:23.44 | aurax | dns, etc |
| 11:23.52 | aurax | simple, normal.. |
| 11:23.53 | sepski | ixion, you add the additional ip's to the interfaces file like usualy using eth0:1 eth0:2 etc etc etc |
| 11:23.54 | GodKilla- | abrotman: i cant configure it |
| 11:24.02 | abrotman | GodKilla-: to do ... ? |
| 11:24.03 | jim | you might need the other package for it too (usually package name ends in "-dev") |
| 11:24.04 | antifuchs | $ sudo udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda2` # works for my usbkey |
| 11:24.07 | sepski | aurax, umm that was for aurax |
| 11:24.17 | abrotman | jim: hold up .. he's trying to compile .. for probably no reason |
| 11:24.22 | GodKilla- | abrotman: what? |
| 11:24.34 | aurax | sepski but i dont see i have eth1 |
| 11:24.35 | fatal__ | sepski: no, you use "ip" (from iproute2/iproute-package) and add them on the same interface instead of using ifconfigs brokenness.. ;) |
| 11:24.39 | aurax | that i could ifup etc. |
| 11:24.40 | abrotman | GodKilla-: what can't you configure about it? |
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| 11:25.00 | mihai_ | how do i add a path with export? |
| 11:25.03 | sepski | fatal__, you can do that also, but since ifconfig is default , i assumed he used thgat |
| 11:25.05 | GodKilla- | when configurating php with "./configure --with-apxs2=/home/Webserver/bin/apxs" it says "checking libxml2 install dir... no configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation." but i have installed it |
| 11:25.09 | jim | GodKilla-: abrotman is suggesting you could probably just install the php4 package instead of trying to build it |
| 11:25.09 | GodKilla- | @abrotman |
| 11:25.17 | abrotman | GodKilla-: i meant .. why are you compiling PHP4 instead of using the packages |
| 11:25.26 | GodKilla- | jim: but i need to set it for apache2 |
| 11:25.36 | abrotman | GodKilla-: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 11:25.43 | abrotman | GodKilla-: apt-cache search php4 apache2 |
| 11:25.49 | GodKilla- | abrotman: because i cant install php4 throught apt-get |
| 11:25.56 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 11:25.58 | jim | did you build your own apache2? |
| 11:25.59 | GodKilla- | it says i ahve it intsalled already |
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| 11:26.19 | abrotman | GodKilla-: then it's already installed .. but you didn't install the apache2 php4 module .. so do that now |
| 11:26.22 | jim | if it's installed already, what's the problem? :) |
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| 11:26.34 | aurax | and i can't ifdown eth0 |
| 11:26.35 | aurax | lol |
| 11:26.40 | aurax | its fucking remote |
| 11:26.41 | abrotman | jim: he has only the binary for php4 .. not the apache2 module |
| 11:26.48 | jim | oic |
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| 11:26.53 | abrotman | aurax: you should ifdown eth0 |
| 11:26.59 | fatal__ | "php4" is just a meta package IIRC... |
| 11:27.06 | jim | so that module is middleware driver? |
| 11:27.08 | GodKilla- | well, thanks, anyway, im curious, why didnt he find libxml2? |
| 11:27.14 | abrotman | GodKilla-: does it work ? |
| 11:27.18 | GodKilla- | 1sec |
| 11:27.24 | ixion | add aliases to eth0 |
| 11:27.27 | abrotman | !find bin/libxml2-config |
| 11:27.29 | ixion | for the other IP's |
| 11:27.37 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/libxml2-config' returned no results. |
| 11:27.38 | setog3 | hi , I have the same problem with firefox (with new version too) , I run , but the page take many minutes to draw, I think firefox freez, how can I know the problem ? please help me , it make me crazy ! |
| 11:27.44 | aurax | abrotman i can't ifdown eth |
| 11:27.44 | aurax | 0 |
| 11:27.45 | abrotman | !find libxml2-config |
| 11:27.46 | jim | GodKilla-: because you didn't install the -dev part of libxml2 |
| 11:27.47 | aurax | im on dedicated |
| 11:27.52 | abrotman | aurax: you sohuld ignore me .. i was joking :) |
| 11:27.55 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libxml2-config' returned no results. |
| 11:27.58 | GodKilla- | jim: huh? |
| 11:28.05 | GodKilla- | jim: how to do that then? |
| 11:28.05 | jim | GodKilla-: because you didn't install the -dev part of libxml2 |
| 11:28.07 | abrotman | what the fuck |
| 11:28.13 | abrotman | ah |
| 11:28.20 | abrotman | !find bin/xml2-config sarge |
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| 11:28.28 | abrotman | !tell GodKilla- about search |
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| 11:28.40 | jmgv | is there any problem with debian repositories? |
| 11:28.48 | abrotman | GodKilla-: there are so many things packaged for debian .. you rarely have to compile |
| 11:28.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xml2-config' (1): (/usr/bin/xml2-config) in libdevel/libxml2-dev. |
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| 11:28.55 | ixion | thats a bit generic isn't it jmgv |
| 11:29.08 | jmgv | I have problem making apt-get upgrade |
| 11:29.09 | jim | GodKilla-: usually libraries in debian are built up and then split into two packages, one good for things that run, the other good for things that build against them |
| 11:29.12 | jmgv | file no found |
| 11:29.13 | schrankwand | Hi, can I boot with grub a windows-partition out of the 1024-boundary? |
| 11:29.14 | GodKilla- | abrotman: im still new to debian and used to do that myself |
| 11:29.19 | ixion | try apt-get update then |
| 11:29.24 | abrotman | !tell GodKilla- about refcard |
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| 11:29.29 | GodKilla- | k php4 apche 2 module installed |
| 11:29.40 | abrotman | GodKilla-: see .. isn't that better than compiling php4 ? |
| 11:29.44 | GodKilla- | ye :D |
| 11:29.46 | GodKilla- | thanks |
| 11:29.52 | jim | you did not install the part of libxml2 that's good for things that build against it |
| 11:29.52 | sepski | aurax, if you use ifconfig you can add more eth0:1 eth0:2 entries in interfaces and ifup eth0:1 |
| 11:30.14 | jmgv | ixion, i did it before upgrade |
| 11:30.18 | aurax | really |
| 11:30.19 | aurax | sec |
| 11:30.21 | splattnik | är det 10 dagar så får ett paket från unstable gå in i testing? |
| 11:30.28 | abrotman | !de |
| 11:30.28 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 11:30.29 | GodKilla- | jim: which one is that? dev? |
| 11:30.30 | abrotman | i think |
| 11:30.37 | ixion | jmgv: and did apt-get update give you errors? |
| 11:30.40 | splattnik | sorry wrong channel |
| 11:30.40 | aurax | u right |
| 11:30.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 11:30.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:30.46 | jim | GodKilla-: so in answer to your curiousity, the configure did not work because you only had the runtime part of libxml2 installed, -not- the compiletime part |
| 11:31.02 | aurax | yep |
| 11:31.03 | setog3 | how can I reinstall all package on my system ? apt-get install --reinstall `dpkg get-content { |
| 11:31.04 | aurax | u damn right |
| 11:31.04 | abrotman | jim: most drawn out answer .. ever |
| 11:31.05 | jmgv | ixion, it was a spanish repository problem, i have making it at finland and works properly, thanks |
| 11:31.06 | GodKilla- | jim: alright, and how is the one called i miss? |
| 11:31.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 11:31.14 | abrotman | GodKilla-: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:31.16 | liable | setog3: why? |
| 11:31.23 | ixion | thought as much |
| 11:31.35 | abrotman | oh FFS .. free willy is on tv .. who's fucking idea was that |
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| 11:31.44 | sepski | aurax, to have them up on boot you must also have a auto eth0:1 line naturaly |
| 11:31.57 | nicknicknick | abrotman I ordered that :/ |
| 11:32.07 | abrotman | nicknicknick: not the porn one! |
| 11:32.13 | nicknicknick | I know |
| 11:32.14 | nicknicknick | :\ |
| 11:32.23 | abrotman | nicknicknick: did you get the special edition box set ? |
| 11:32.37 | boguh | how can i reconfigure exim? |
| 11:32.42 | nicknicknick | yeap and got some free patatoe chips with it |
| 11:32.43 | sepski | aurax, eth0:1 eth0:2 etc etc are depreciated lately, with iproute tool 'ip' you will see your eth0:1 eth0:2 as multiple ip's assigned to eth0 |
| 11:32.45 | jim | GodKilla-: not sure, but it ends in -dev... maybe if the runtime part is libxml2, the compiletime part is libxml2-dev |
| 11:33.00 | abrotman | boguh: dpkg-reconfigure exim ? |
| 11:33.01 | liable | boguh: dpkg-reconfigure exim-config |
| 11:33.15 | jim | (cmon, wakeywakey... smell coffee... new stuff to learn...) |
| 11:33.22 | Whisky_ | hmmm |
| 11:33.25 | tarzeau | !seen streuner |
| 11:33.27 | dpkg | streuner <foobar@p54A5F402.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16h 7m 13s ago, saying: 'peterS: ic'. |
| 11:33.28 | Whisky_ | what could this mean: (firefox-installer-bin:4095): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 11:33.33 | setog3 | liable, I have a problem with firefox , I don't why , I think it's due to a lib that I have remove manualy but I don't know which .. so I try to come back to a good debian sys , to use this fucking firefox ! |
| 11:33.40 | setog3 | if you have another idea |
| 11:33.51 | abrotman | Whisky_: you're running stuff as root ? |
| 11:34.09 | liable | setog3: why not just re-install firefox? |
| 11:34.09 | Whisky_ | abrotman: No :/ |
| 11:34.21 | jim | Whisky_: there is a display... it's closed... it can't be opened... |
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| 11:34.38 | tarzeau | peterS: huh? |
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| 11:34.40 | Coyctecm | How can I restart some service? Like samba? |
| 11:34.43 | Whisky_ | jim: errmm? |
| 11:34.46 | abrotman | peterS: you're alive! |
| 11:34.51 | peterS | tarzeau: your !seen triggered a nick highlight for me. so I returned the favor. |
| 11:34.56 | Whisky_ | Coyctecm: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 11:34.59 | peterS | abrotman: that's the rumor |
| 11:35.00 | liable | Coyctecm: /etc/init.d/ foo restart |
| 11:35.06 | jim | Whisky_: man X for a pretty good read |
| 11:35.07 | Coyctecm | oke thnak =) |
| 11:35.08 | setog3 | liable, I have reinstall firefox , purge it , reinstall , remove all extension and all plugin , and no , I cant go on ebay , and on my banque site |
| 11:35.13 | Coyctecm | thanks* |
| 11:35.20 | jim | you'll learn a lot of different things |
| 11:35.20 | abrotman | peterS: guess they don't sleep in the breadbasket eh ? |
| 11:35.26 | Whisky_ | jim: :| |
| 11:35.26 | liable | setog3: only those sites? |
| 11:35.33 | setog3 | so I do this apt-get install --reinstall ` dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f 1` |
| 11:35.41 | peterS | abrotman: most people in this city are asleep right now, I am sure. I was planning a nap Real Soon Now, in fact |
| 11:35.43 | splattnik | is it 10 days for a package to go from unstable to testing? |
| 11:35.50 | abrotman | peterS: nap ? |
| 11:35.54 | abrotman | ffs .. i just woke up |
| 11:35.55 | setog3 | liable, yes only this .. but I need to go to my bank site ! |
| 11:36.12 | Whisky_ | jim: My doctor advised me not to read too much stuff off of my screen, seriously :s |
| 11:36.16 | liable | setog3: hmm, ssl related maybe? |
| 11:36.24 | setog3 | I try with galeon , kazehakase same problems |
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| 11:36.29 | peterS | abrotman: I told myself I'd get some specific work at least partly done before going to sleep. but now I'm too tired to think straight, but don't have any visible progress. so I figured a nap was minimal cheating (: |
| 11:36.34 | GodKilla- | jim: i simply installed libxml2-dev now |
| 11:36.35 | setog3 | with lynx work fine |
| 11:36.47 | abrotman | peterS: cheater! |
| 11:36.49 | setog3 | liable, maybe .. |
| 11:37.04 | tarzeau | peterS: heh okay ;) have a nice saturdaz |
| 11:37.12 | peterS | tarzeau: I'll do my best - you too |
| 11:37.19 | jim | one of which is about X and how it's client/server and what's a client and what's a server, and how servers have names like my.machine.com:0 and how clients can connect to them by setting the DISPLAY variable and how maybe you don't have the DISPLAY variable set to something other than ""... |
| 11:37.24 | liable | setog3: got libssl installed? |
| 11:38.00 | Whisky_ | :\ |
| 11:38.12 | setog3 | yes but I try to reinstall |
| 11:38.16 | jim | GodKilla-: if you're still curious, try the ./configure again... (but note, now you have php4, and the apache module it needs to talk to apache) |
| 11:38.22 | abrotman | peterS: shouldn't you be up doing stuff ? |
| 11:38.26 | liable | Whisky_: are you just trying to start firefox? |
| 11:38.27 | peterS | abrotman: haha |
| 11:38.41 | peterS | abrotman: wake me up in 90 minutes or so, would ya? |
| 11:38.47 | Whisky_ | liable: Trying to install it using ./firefox-installer but the installer wont open. |
| 11:38.50 | abrotman | peterS: you sleep at your desk ? |
| 11:39.06 | liable | Whisky_: why arent you using apt-get? |
| 11:39.08 | meyow_ | anyone know of a curses gui for burning dvd's? |
| 11:39.12 | peterS | abrotman: I'm within earshot of it. just blast a techno ogg file through my speakers or something, that'd do it |
| 11:39.27 | abrotman | peterS: erm .. ok |
| 11:39.47 | Whisky_ | liable: The latest firefox release is 1.0.6, so apt-get wont install it .... |
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| 11:40.02 | jim | meyow_: just learn cdrecord or dvdrecord or whatever it's called and use that... |
| 11:40.02 | liable | Whisky_: why do you need that version? |
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| 11:40.34 | liable | Whisky_: just use debian stuff, or you may end up with a mess.. |
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| 11:40.46 | Psyche- | hello there! |
| 11:40.59 | Psyche- | can somebody give me some sources for apt in order to install the latest gnome ? |
| 11:41.04 | Psyche- | now i'm running gnome 2.8 |
| 11:41.05 | jim | GodKilla-: so, having tried the ./configure again, did it work this time? |
| 11:41.10 | abrotman | Psyche-: are you on sarge ? |
| 11:41.12 | meyow_ | jim: just seems like a clumsy way to add a few files to a dvd |
| 11:41.13 | setog3 | no work too , I think I must reinstlal all package in firefox depends |
| 11:41.19 | Psyche- | abrotman: yes, latest sarge |
| 11:41.45 | jim | meyow_: there -probably- isn't a -curses- implementation |
| 11:41.46 | abrotman | Psyche-: you'd be better off probably staying with 2.8 |
| 11:41.50 | peterS | Psyche-: it's in unstable, but you don't want that unless you know you want that |
| 11:41.53 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel etch |
| 11:41.57 | abrotman | peterS: sleep damn you! |
| 11:41.58 | omry_ | ll |
| 11:42.03 | peterS | sowwy abrotman |
| 11:42.07 | Psyche- | peterS: hmm... ok... |
| 11:42.10 | jim | meyow_: but what if you write a few shell scripts? |
| 11:42.10 | setog3 | is it a way to do this with apt , or must I copy and paste the package manualy ? |
| 11:42.22 | Psyche- | then when it will become stable? :) |
| 11:42.38 | abrotman | Psyche-: sarge won't get 2.10 |
| 11:43.10 | jim | Psyche-: see, sarge will never get any new versions, not officially anyway... |
| 11:43.34 | meyow_ | jim: yah i guess i will write a script, i was just hoping someone had already done it for me. but google only found cdrecord frontends that are aimed at CD's (eg. cdw |
| 11:43.44 | abrotman | Psyche-: in order to run debian and have 2.10 .. you'd have to run unstable .. which right now is totally messed up |
| 11:44.01 | Psyche- | i see now, thank you very much |
| 11:44.09 | Psyche- | so i guess i'll have to use 2.8 :) |
| 11:44.16 | Psyche- | but it looks so ugly |
| 11:44.21 | abrotman | Psyche-: was there a reason you wanted 2.10 ? |
| 11:44.26 | Psyche- | gotta eye-candy it a little bit |
| 11:44.27 | Whisky_ | damn lag... |
| 11:44.30 | Whisky_ | liable: k |
| 11:44.32 | liable | Psyche-: I doubt 2.10 is better :) |
| 11:44.32 | Psyche- | abrotman: not quite... |
| 11:44.39 | jim | so you're stuck with either staying with 2.8 (recommended for stable), trying to find a backport for sarge, building your own, or something else |
| 11:44.50 | Psyche- | abrotman: oh, and another question |
| 11:44.52 | setog3 | is it a way to reinstall all depends ? |
| 11:44.55 | Psyche- | i'm stuck w/ 800x600 |
| 11:44.58 | abrotman | Psyche-: another answer! |
| 11:45.02 | Psyche- | how can I get a bigger resolution? |
| 11:45.02 | abrotman | !drxx Psyche- |
| 11:45.05 | dpkg | Psyche-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 11:45.07 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 11:45.08 | jim | Psyche-: that's a different problem |
| 11:45.09 | abrotman | !stats |
| 11:45.10 | dpkg | Since Wed Jul 20 15:41:18 2005, there have been 31 modifications, 1455 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 525 commands. I have been awake for 2d 20h 3m 51s this session, and currently reference 25845 factoids. I'm using about 15508 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 595.77/28.07 child 601.14/45.57 |
| 11:45.21 | Psyche- | did that |
| 11:45.23 | jim | dunno! |
| 11:45.26 | abrotman | Psyche-: card/driver ? |
| 11:45.32 | jim | is there now one dunno? |
| 11:45.34 | Psyche- | ati radeon 9600/ati |
| 11:45.45 | abrotman | and which driver ? |
| 11:45.50 | abrotman | oh nm |
| 11:45.56 | Psyche- | xf86config doesn't help at all |
| 11:46.06 | abrotman | Psyche-: did you pick more than one resolution ? |
| 11:46.13 | liable | Psyche-: you have hand edited it? |
| 11:46.25 | Psyche- | liable: nope |
| 11:46.27 | Psyche- | abrotman: yes |
| 11:46.35 | setog3 | arf libx11-6 get a problem .. |
| 11:46.53 | jim | woof what problem would that be |
| 11:46.55 | abrotman | Psyche-: just pick the single one you want .. or use xrandr to change it .. if you're in gnome .. use Applications -> Screen Resolutions |
| 11:47.00 | liable | hah |
| 11:47.09 | setog3 | liable, any idea ? |
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| 11:47.22 | Psyche- | abrotman: Applications -> Screen Resolutions gives me only 2 options (800x600 and 640x480) |
| 11:47.34 | liable | setog3: no, what is the problem with it? |
| 11:47.41 | abrotman | Psyche-: then either .. those are the two you picked .. or the only two that driver is capable of |
| 11:47.50 | Psyche- | hmm |
| 11:48.03 | abrotman | Psyche-: there are unofficial ATI drivers from ATI |
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| 11:48.17 | setog3 | I try to reinstall all mozilla dependance, and aptitude give me this message no way to install libx11-6 |
| 11:48.29 | jim | I think I have a 9600 too |
| 11:48.29 | liable | Psyche-: paste you config on a paster |
| 11:48.33 | setog3 | x11-common no satisfaction |
| 11:48.34 | bob2 | yes, the x.org transition in sid is fun |
| 11:48.38 | bob2 | hold onto your hats |
| 11:48.40 | jim | but I'm running at 1600x1200 |
| 11:48.43 | bob2 | and don't reinstall until it's done |
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| 11:48.54 | liable | setog3: so your running sid? |
| 11:48.55 | abrotman | Psyche-: check your logs for errors |
| 11:49.10 | f3nix | hello, i have installed openoffice.org-java, than i fired up the jvmsetup program, but i still cant enable the java checkbutton in configuration |
| 11:49.19 | f3nix | do you know what might it be? |
| 11:49.32 | Psyche- | ok, thanks a lot guys |
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| 11:50.35 | Whisky_ | liable: Installing FireFox as root via apt-get installs the browser for all users? |
| 11:50.45 | liable | Whisky_: yep |
| 11:50.51 | qwertz_ | Hi! Is there a tool like eximon to monitor my exim but that has a more intuitive/powerful interface? |
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| 11:50.56 | Whisky_ | k |
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| 11:51.29 | setog3 | arf apt-error |
| 11:51.33 | jim | installing * as root using apt-get usually installs it for all users... sometimes it's only meant for root |
| 11:52.24 | setog3 | ok .. downgrade in sarge |
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| 11:52.52 | DrusT | hello |
| 11:52.52 | jim | meaning, usually, that in order to provide services to users, certain programs only run for root in order to set parameters or otherwise set up user applications |
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| 11:53.37 | deepan | i tried http tunneling.. in the process i executed htc in my computer made it to listed at port 2323 and forward it to port 8888. hts is running in a remote comp and it is listening at 8888. but when i tried "telnet localhost 2323" |
| 11:53.41 | jim | qwertz_: find a program that eats your logfiles and spits out more comprehensive reports |
| 11:54.13 | deepan | i tried http tunneling.. in the process i executed htc in my computer made it to listed at port 2323 and forward it to port 8888. hts is running in a remote comp and it is listening at 8888. but when i tried "telnet localhost 2323" .. the htc exited.. for some reasons which i dont know.. and telnet got closed |
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| 11:57.15 | DrusT | somebody know a program for use a scanner ? |
| 11:57.25 | cmihai | sane |
| 11:57.26 | jdhutchin1 | DrusT, sane? |
| 11:57.32 | DrusT | ok thx |
| 11:57.35 | jim | a scammer? |
| 11:57.49 | cmihai | DrusT: /msg dpkg sane |
| 11:58.15 | DrusT | i found nothing searching "scan" or "scanner" |
| 11:58.21 | DrusT | in debian pakages |
| 11:58.30 | bob2 | then your sources.list is broken |
| 11:58.38 | jim | <cmihai> DrusT: /msg dpkg sane |
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| 11:58.49 | bob2 | I get 224 hits |
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| 11:59.04 | DrusT | so I will install it |
| 11:59.10 | DrusT | :) |
| 11:59.12 | cmihai | 231 here. |
| 11:59.15 | DrusT | thx a lot |
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| 11:59.59 | DrusT | bob2 then your sources.list is broken << I user debian.org to search |
| 12:00.06 | Whisky_ | FireFox takes ages to open....any ideas why? Similarly most programs open in the tray, load for a while, disappear from the tray and then suddenly open after a while |
| 12:00.07 | DrusT | but he return only network scanners |
| 12:00.12 | liable | wtf ~200 hits for scan/er in apt-cache? |
| 12:00.19 | DrusT | user>used |
| 12:00.27 | rosemary | is xchat part of debian packages - I tried kpackage and didn't find it |
| 12:00.35 | liable | rosemary: yes |
| 12:00.35 | bob2 | rosemary: yes, it's in debian |
| 12:00.36 | cmihai | apt-cache search xchat |
| 12:00.37 | sepski | rosemary, yes |
| 12:00.49 | DrusT | yes ^_^ |
| 12:01.03 | DrusT | I'm using xchat, and it was install with apt-get |
| 12:01.18 | mops | what runs the xscreensaver daemon when I log in? |
| 12:01.28 | cahoot | DrusT: for frontend I think you'd want xsane |
| 12:01.29 | bob2 | depends how you login and into what |
| 12:01.30 | mops | because I want to turn it off, I'm using gdm |
| 12:01.37 | bob2 | if it's gnome, from gdm, then gnome-session |
| 12:01.40 | mops | and into fluxbox |
| 12:01.49 | bob2 | then nothing, probably |
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| 12:02.40 | DrusT | yes cahoot it will be usefull |
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| 12:02.51 | mops | bob2: so how it is possible that it is running? :( |
| 12:03.06 | bob2 | I don't know |
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| 12:03.20 | cmihai | Try quiteinsane |
| 12:03.34 | cmihai | quiteinsane is a QT frontend for sane. ... |
| 12:03.48 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 12:03.48 | dpkg | pong |
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| 12:03.55 | Whisky_ | FireFox takes ages to open....any ideas why? Similarly most programs open in the tray, load for a while, disappear from the tray and then suddenly open after a while |
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| 12:04.27 | trueno | How can I make all my outbound connections go through tor? (I am testing it and am new to socks stuff) |
| 12:04.53 | DrusT | my scaner isn't detected by sane :( |
| 12:04.57 | deepan | i tried http tunneling.. in the process i executed htc in my comp and hts in a remote comp. i found htc listening to port 2323 from netstat output. but once i tried telnet localhost 2323.. .. the htc exited.. this happens every time i try.. anyone knows hot to overcome this |
| 12:05.24 | cmihai | DrusT: well, dig dip in the docs on the webpage |
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| 12:05.56 | cahoot | DrusT: running it as root or user? |
| 12:06.03 | DrusT | normaly he is supported |
| 12:06.04 | liable | Whisky_: #debian-kde |
| 12:06.10 | DrusT | i run it with single user and superuser |
| 12:06.11 | Whisky_ | k :p |
| 12:06.23 | Disney- | I moved an emty file to the access.log of apache .. but now df -h says that the 4GB of the logfile are still not free ( du -m says it is ) - any ideas ? |
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| 12:07.34 | sepski | Disney-, restart apache |
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| 12:07.51 | Disney- | i reloaded : he started writing on it |
| 12:08.23 | setog3 | oh , ,, , , , I can't support more |
| 12:08.33 | setog3 | riteReady |
| 12:08.33 | setog3 | Write |
| 12:08.33 | setog3 | WriteReady |
| 12:08.33 | setog3 | Write |
| 12:08.33 | setog3 | WriteReady |
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| 12:08.58 | Disney- | the problem ist that the server crashes in a about 5 minutes due to a lack of space on that partition |
| 12:09.37 | liable | wtf was that about? |
| 12:09.38 | Whisky_ | liable: I still dont see the CD icon on my desktop :( |
| 12:10.26 | liable | Whisky_: kde doesnt give you one. open konq, in the side panel (you can set it if it isnt there) click on devices. |
| 12:10.50 | Whisky_ | oh kkk |
| 12:10.54 | Whisky_ | got it, thanks :) |
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| 12:11.15 | ZyV | hi ! |
| 12:11.21 | liable | Whisky_: you can put a link i spose, if you want it on desktop. |
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| 12:11.42 | Whisky_ | How ? :S |
| 12:12.13 | liable | Whisky_: dunno, right click on desktop? something like that, play around... |
| 12:12.16 | Whisky_ | ahh done |
| 12:12.20 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 12:12.35 | PerfDave | Disney-: echo -n '' > /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 12:14.18 | nicknicknick | I need VPS's on debian |
| 12:14.25 | nicknicknick | anyone know where to start? |
| 12:14.38 | liable | google? |
| 12:14.43 | Disney- | PerfDave: thx, but the file is only 3MB now .. the space of the file that was 4GB before was not "made free" |
| 12:15.00 | nicknicknick | how about more hints instead of google? :/ I mean like hints of which you know of? |
| 12:15.08 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: VPS's? |
| 12:15.12 | PerfDave | Disney-: Try it. |
| 12:15.16 | Disney- | i did |
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| 12:15.37 | nicknicknick | Arafangion virtual private server |
| 12:15.38 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: What the heck are VPS's? |
| 12:15.40 | Arafangion | Ahh. |
| 12:16.04 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: Good places to start are chown, uml (user-mode-linux). |
| 12:16.11 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: Sorry, not chown, chroot. |
| 12:16.11 | Disney- | PerfDave: your method is better then moving a file on it because apache keeps on writing on it without a reload - but the partition is still at 99% |
| 12:16.23 | ZyV | somebody can help me??: I've just installer x-base-transcoded as a dependence for user-euro-es (support for euro) it works ! but i've noticed that any x-application gets a lot of time to start !!! what happen ¿?¿¿? |
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| 12:16.46 | eguzkia | hello |
| 12:16.49 | eguzkia | i need help |
| 12:16.57 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: Particularly uml |
| 12:17.03 | PerfDave | UML on Debian is a huge pain in the arse with the Debian packages. |
| 12:17.03 | liable | !help eguzkia |
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| 12:17.40 | eguzkia | when i insert a music CD and i try to mount it, linux send me a error message |
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| 12:17.49 | jdhutchin1 | you can't mount music cds |
| 12:17.53 | eguzkia | this happen only with Music CD |
| 12:17.58 | jdhutchin1 | a music cd isn't data |
| 12:17.59 | eguzkia | what can be |
| 12:18.03 | jdhutchin1 | use cdplay or something like that to play it |
| 12:18.08 | ZyV | 'cause you cant mount music cd's eguzkia |
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| 12:18.19 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Yeah, better if you compile yourself. |
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| 12:18.29 | eguzkia | but i have to copy thi CD with K3b |
| 12:18.38 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Like some other debian programs, such as Postgresql :) |
| 12:18.49 | PerfDave | Arafangion: I've had a look at fixing the packages, but not got round to it yet. |
| 12:18.54 | kombi_ | how do you make eth0 listen on multiple IPs in network/interfaces? |
| 12:18.56 | ZyV | no problemo eguzkia ! make a duplicate whithout mount it |
| 12:18.58 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Hmm, never had a problem with Debian's postgres |
| 12:19.01 | liable | eguzkia: well, just do it. why do you think you need to mount it? |
| 12:19.06 | POVaddct | eguzkia: if you need cdparanoia to read audio data from cd |
| 12:19.21 | eguzkia | ok |
| 12:19.24 | PerfDave | kombi_: Put stanzas in for eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, eth0:3 etc. |
| 12:19.26 | eguzkia | thank you so much |
| 12:19.32 | ZyV | basque eguzkia ? |
| 12:19.43 | kombi_ | PerfDave: Thanks! |
| 12:19.50 | Baughn | Whoa.. |
| 12:19.51 | POVaddct | s/if// |
| 12:20.16 | Baughn | My single-output-channel soundcard just started playing two channels at once. |
| 12:20.26 | bob2 | kombi_: or if-up lines that call 'ip addr add 12.3.4 dev eth0' |
| 12:20.27 | ZyV | somebody can help me??: I've just installer x-base-transcoded as a dependence for user-euro-es (support for euro) it works ! but i've noticed that any x-application gets a lot of time to start !!! what happen ¿?¿¿? |
| 12:20.35 | Baughn | *Without* a sound server |
| 12:21.06 | liable | Baughn: weeee :) possesed? |
| 12:21.20 | Baughn | liable: Must be an effect of the recent kernel upgrade. |
| 12:21.25 | Baughn | liable: I could get used to this. |
| 12:21.32 | liable | oh, boring |
| 12:21.36 | liable | :P |
| 12:21.43 | Baughn | No, not really. |
| 12:21.56 | bob2 | maybe dmix magically started working |
| 12:21.59 | bob2 | that would be cool |
| 12:22.01 | tractor | hmm usually there's a comleted /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 .. this one is blank |
| 12:22.08 | Baughn | My hardware is *incapable* of playing more than one stream at a time. |
| 12:22.18 | Baughn | It could be dmix, but I've never tried to set that up... |
| 12:22.23 | liable | hah, yes dmix... |
| 12:22.25 | Whisky_ | why does my CD-ROM mount my Sarge disc but not any other :/ |
| 12:22.26 | eguzkia | ZyV:bai |
| 12:22.38 | liable | never did get that to work. |
| 12:22.49 | Baughn | Well, the kernel in question is 2.6.12-morph6; you're welcome to try it. ;) |
| 12:22.50 | kombi_ | bob2: Thanks also! What was the trick to reload network/interfaces, network reload? |
| 12:22.51 | bob2 | tractor: sid has xorg now |
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| 12:23.00 | bob2 | kombi_: sudo invoke-rc.d networking reload |
| 12:23.11 | kombi_ | Thanks! |
| 12:23.34 | anhi | Error: /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xorg-common. anyone got a fix for that (without removing the whole X) |
| 12:23.35 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Typically when people recompile programs on linux, it's to tweak compiler things, particularly ./configure options. |
| 12:23.35 | vipe | what is the difference between /dev/dsp and /dev/sdsp (I'm using alsa // 2.6.12.3) ? |
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| 12:23.49 | liable | Whisky_: what are the other disks? |
| 12:23.50 | vipe | err. /dev/sdsp |
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| 12:23.54 | nicknicknick | Arafangion why UML? |
| 12:24.01 | vipe | damn, sorry |
| 12:24.04 | vipe | err. /dev/adsp |
| 12:24.11 | PerfDave | Arafangion: I'm aware of that. But I've not had any problems with the Debian packages for PostgreSQL :) |
| 12:24.14 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: You said you wanted virtual servers. |
| 12:24.23 | Arafangion | PerfDave: I didn't say there werent' any problems! |
| 12:24.29 | Baughn | vipe: /dev/dsp is the legacy OSS interface. |
| 12:24.29 | nicknicknick | Arafangion yes, but why would you advise UML instead of freevps? |
| 12:24.36 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Exactly :) |
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| 12:24.48 | vipe | Baughn: thx |
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| 12:26.24 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: Two reasons, one I wasn't aware of freevps, but also uml is a much more complete virtual server. Think of it as a VMWare session, except it runs at 100% native speed. |
| 12:26.36 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: Well, nearly 100% ;) |
| 12:26.39 | Baughn | Well, 95% native speed.. |
| 12:26.41 | Whisky_ | liable: Sorry im lagged. The other discs are Audio CD's. |
| 12:26.47 | Arafangion | Baughn: Indeed. |
| 12:27.47 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: Freevps doesn't mention how much memory each vps can take up, and what happens when memory is exhausted. |
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| 12:27.57 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 12:28.38 | tractor | hi amorphix |
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| 12:29.13 | eguzkia | ZyV: are you spanish? |
| 12:29.18 | HipHob | hey guys, how do i display the list of devices from the grub shell? |
| 12:29.20 | amorphix | I'm running an old kernel on my server with lilo as bootloader, I've attempted to upgrade my kernel with a kernel image but it wouldnt boot after, some issues with lilo I think. If I install grub is it easy to replace lilo? |
| 12:29.40 | eguzkia | ZyV: hola como estas |
| 12:29.40 | eguzkia | ZyV: se puede ablar castiliano! |
| 12:29.40 | Baughn | Yes |
| 12:29.51 | amorphix | grub is better than lilo? |
| 12:29.58 | Baughn | Mostly |
| 12:30.04 | rosemary | just installed sarge 3.1, my monitor needs 1024 x 764 @75 but I can't se it to that. Keeps going to 640 x 460 @ 61. Tried krandrtray and dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xfree86, but no luck |
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| 12:30.11 | Baughn | GRUB depends on being able to read the filesystem, which LILO doesn't. |
| 12:30.15 | amorphix | can i just remove lilo then and grub will be the new bootloader? |
| 12:30.25 | nicknicknick | Arafangion thanks |
| 12:30.27 | Arafangion | Baughn: That's interesting. |
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| 12:30.28 | Baughn | No, you need to actually rnu grub-install. |
| 12:30.34 | ZyV | somebody can help me??: I've just installer x-base-transcoded as a dependence for user-euro-es (support for euro) it works ! but i've noticed that any x-application gets a lot of time to start !!! what happen ¿?¿¿? |
| 12:30.36 | amorphix | oh |
| 12:30.52 | vali | amorphix: you must use grub-install |
| 12:30.56 | Baughn | Arafangion: More to the point, you can't use grub if /boot is on a reiser4 partition. ;) |
| 12:31.00 | amorphix | is it complicated? |
| 12:31.09 | maxy | What the heck is wrong with the "at" packages? Is everyone just waiting for a new maintainer to come up and integrate all the patches? |
| 12:31.11 | Baughn | amorphix: Well, you do have to press a number of keys... |
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| 12:31.15 | amorphix | heh |
| 12:31.20 | Baughn | amorphix: "grub-install /dev/hda", or the like. |
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| 12:31.24 | HipHob | hey guys, how do i display the list of devices from the grub shell? |
| 12:31.30 | Arafangion | Baughn: That is interesting. |
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| 12:31.45 | amorphix | okay thanks Baughn |
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| 12:32.18 | Arafangion | Baughn: But arguably you should have a small boot partition on the most reliable and secure partition you can find, ext2 |
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| 12:32.39 | Baughn | Arafangion: Why? If my root partition is corrupted, it doesn't matter that /boot isn't. |
| 12:32.54 | nicknicknick | Arafangion I'm in doubt now .. if it comes to freevps |
| 12:33.07 | amorphix | I'm having another problem with my NFS, on my laptop big files just cant be accessed over the NFS, it sends error says not responding... I checked dmesg and I noticed an error "mount is older than kernel" on my laptop (NFS client) |
| 12:33.07 | nicknicknick | Arafangion I allready cvs'ed freevps on sarge |
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| 12:33.15 | Arafangion | Baughn: Yes it does, you can still boot it, using a root somewhere else. |
| 12:33.28 | HipHob | anyone here who understands grub well ? |
| 12:33.39 | HipHob | !ops |
| 12:33.39 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 12:33.42 | amorphix | grub works well on my workstation and laptop |
| 12:33.55 | amorphix | so i want to get rid of lilo and use grub on my server now |
| 12:34.02 | bob2 | HipHob: ? |
| 12:34.02 | Baughn | Arafangion: At that point I'll use my netboot-accesible rescue system. |
| 12:34.03 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: The difference is that uml actually executes a port of linux to linux, running it as a user-land process, with no translation at all. |
| 12:34.12 | bob2 | invoking ops for help with grub is stupid and annoying |
| 12:34.19 | Arafangion | Baughn: So long as you have a system. |
| 12:34.22 | HipHob | i was curious if there were any ops |
| 12:34.29 | bob2 | there are |
| 12:34.35 | Baughn | nicknicknick: Well, except for catching int operations, that is. |
| 12:34.44 | nicknicknick | okay |
| 12:35.00 | amorphix | does anyone understand what "mount version is older than kernel" means in the context of mounting a NFS? |
| 12:35.07 | HipHob | as i'm struggling to find a specific command that i've used before, and i've looked through the gnu grub manual and can't find it, all i want to do is list the ouput that grub recognises the devices as |
| 12:35.12 | Baughn | Arafangion: I don't hold with having separate rescue partitions. ;) |
| 12:35.23 | amorphix | does i mean my mount parameters are out of date for the kernel im using? |
| 12:35.26 | HipHob | s/ouput/output/ |
| 12:35.27 | amorphix | *it |
| 12:35.31 | Baughn | HipHob: It might help to mention what the command is. |
| 12:35.43 | Arafangion | Baughn: In any case, boot is typically separate as it can be mounted read-only. |
| 12:35.45 | HipHob | Baughn: if i knew the command, i woudln't be asking |
| 12:35.50 | Arafangion | Baughn: Plus it works around buggy bioses. |
| 12:35.52 | shibida | hi |
| 12:35.56 | amorphix | hi |
| 12:36.02 | Baughn | HipHob: Tell me something about it. |
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| 12:36.17 | HipHob | it lists the devices, in the order that grub recognises them as |
| 12:36.31 | amorphix | a rescue fd is all thats needed? |
| 12:36.35 | Baughn | Arafangion: If the BIOS is buggy, why don't you return the MB? |
| 12:36.49 | amorphix | anyway grub can boot from older kernels and also does safe mode |
| 12:36.50 | Baughn | amorphix: A rescue netboot might be better, if you can arrange it. |
| 12:36.51 | shibida | if i can't download eclipse (java) package with apt-get it is normal ? |
| 12:36.57 | jim | HipHob: doesn't grub scan the devices and write out a file? |
| 12:37.00 | amorphix | i wish i could |
| 12:37.03 | Arafangion | Baughn: I meant buggy in terms of can't boot after the first 80 gig, and that kind. |
| 12:37.18 | Baughn | Arafangion: Yes, that's when you return it. |
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| 12:37.43 | Arafangion | Baughn: You know... Your kinda philosophical, did anyone tell you that? :) |
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| 12:38.04 | amorphix | On the whole I find NFS a wonderful thing, I've not seen any performance issues with my workstation to server, however the laptop I use is very buggy with NFS and fails alot |
| 12:38.27 | Baughn | Arafangion: I live in a country where "customer rights" actually means something, which is helpful. :) |
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| 12:38.32 | amorphix | I'm wondering if it's due to misconfiguration or hardware limitations with laptop |
| 12:38.36 | HipHob | jim_ well i'm in the grub shell, it scans the devices yes, i'm not sure if it writes it to a file, but you can invoke a command which wil scan the devices and output it to stdout |
| 12:38.49 | Arafangion | Baughn: Where? |
| 12:39.05 | Arafangion | amorphix: samba is looking promising. |
| 12:39.08 | Baughn | Arafangion: .no |
| 12:39.22 | amorphix | samba cant replace NFS tho eh |
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| 12:39.36 | liable | Baughn: what is this mythical country :) |
| 12:39.36 | Arafangion | Baughn: Norway? |
| 12:39.41 | Arafangion | amorphix: How so? |
| 12:39.56 | nicknicknick | Arafangion is UML easy to use? as in assigning hd space with quota, measure bandtwith, assign max allowed of memory per vps? |
| 12:40.13 | amorphix | I thought Samba was for sharing filesystems with Windows OS, I want to share filesytems between Linux systems |
| 12:40.27 | bob2 | if you're planning to try to make money doing virtual hosting, you will need to look into all those things yourself |
| 12:40.31 | bob2 | but yes, they are all simple to do |
| 12:40.33 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: One limitation in UML is that you can't change memory useage without restarting the node, otherwise, yes. |
| 12:40.38 | amorphix | in a totally Linux environment |
| 12:40.55 | Arafangion | amorphix: Yup. |
| 12:40.56 | Baughn | Arafangion: Right. |
| 12:41.02 | tucoz | Hi, I'm trying to find out what debian version I should install. I need drivers for via vt6421 sata. |
| 12:41.15 | HipHob | there's find /boot/grub/menu.list but that isn't what i am after |
| 12:41.22 | nicknicknick | bob2 I'm planning to do virtual hosting but not to get rich of it. It's to pay my colo bills and learn of it |
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| 12:41.34 | jim | HipHob, try hitting tab when you're in grub shell |
| 12:41.47 | liable | tucoz: check this out http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 12:41.53 | amorphix | how does one utilise Grub if you are booting a server remotely? |
| 12:41.53 | jim | no there's another one |
| 12:42.11 | bob2 | amorphix: you get a proper server that has a serial terminal |
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| 12:42.12 | Arafangion | nicknicknick: Basically, with uml, you can say, "here, you have X hdd, Y ram, and Z shared internet pipes, enjoy Oh, and what distro do you want on it?". |
| 12:42.16 | shibida | someone know if apt-get have a problem with java package ? |
| 12:42.21 | amorphix | bob2: oh |
| 12:42.30 | bob2 | shibida: there is no java package in debian |
| 12:42.30 | nicknicknick | WTF? LOL! |
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| 12:42.44 | amorphix | bob2: do you think I could use my Palm as a terminal? |
| 12:43.01 | tucoz | liable: thanks, I have found that page also. But as far as I can see, it only tells me the current status of the newest 2.6 and 2.4 kernels |
| 12:43.05 | amorphix | I've heard its been done before |
| 12:43.11 | tucoz | not the status of the debian installer |
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| 12:43.25 | bob2 | amorphix: does your server have a proper hardware console? |
| 12:43.49 | shibida | if i try to install "eclipse-platform" packeage apt-get say me depndance are not ok for java2-runtime package and it can't download it |
| 12:43.58 | amorphix | amorphix: no monitor or keyboard are attached and its difficult to use them as its rackmount and hard to get to |
| 12:44.01 | liable | tucoz: the installer doesnt find it? try option #1 |
| 12:44.04 | amorphix | heh |
| 12:44.10 | amorphix | (to bob2) |
| 12:44.27 | HenkPoley | Is there already a GCC 4.0.1 compiled i386 kernel available for Sid? My own kernel compilation fails somewhere in 'serial' which I think need for my Wacom pen digitizer. |
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| 12:44.49 | Psyche- | hey! it's me again |
| 12:44.53 | Baughn | HenkPoley: GCC 4 isn't even considered stable by *Gentoo* yet. |
| 12:44.55 | liable | tucoz: or #debian-boot |
| 12:45.00 | amorphix | HenkPoley are you setting up a serial Wacom? |
| 12:45.01 | Psyche- | how can I get rid of those system icons from the desktop |
| 12:45.07 | Psyche- | i'm using gnome 2.8 |
| 12:45.07 | bob2 | amorphix: so, does it have a hardware terminal or not? by that I mean, "can you plug in a vt100 terminal and access it's bios before it boots?" |
| 12:45.11 | jim | what's a system icon? |
| 12:45.24 | HenkPoley | Or else.. does somebody know how to compile ndiswrapper for a GCC 3.3 compiled kernel on current Sid? |
| 12:45.25 | liable | Psyche-: right click, remove?? |
| 12:45.25 | Psyche- | like: computer, home, wastebasket |
| 12:45.25 | tucoz | liable: thanks so much. I will try your suggestion. |
| 12:45.28 | Arafangion | Baughn: It's stable by Apple, though, strangly. (Although they *do* have their own gcc fork, it seems) |
| 12:45.33 | amorphix | bob2: I'm not sure, I would say not |
| 12:45.44 | HenkPoley | CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 doesn't work (errors with unknown flags) |
| 12:45.46 | Psyche- | liable: i'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way |
| 12:45.50 | bob2 | amorphix: then you can't do anything with grub remotely, until it boots |
| 12:45.58 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: I believe you should use 2.95 |
| 12:46.11 | amorphix | bob2: it's a Toshiba Magnia server which was designed for NT |
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| 12:46.15 | liable | Psyche-: what desktop? |
| 12:46.18 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: the kernel I use is 3.3 compiled (says dmesg) |
| 12:46.24 | jim | btw, consumer reports says apple is recalling ibooks and I think ipods due to a fire hazard with the battery |
| 12:46.31 | Arafangion | jim: Some. |
| 12:46.42 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 12:46.55 | shibida | somone know a channel where i can take a answer about apt-get ? |
| 12:47.13 | bob2 | jim: that was a long time ago, and not very many of them |
| 12:47.17 | amorphix | shibida why not here? |
| 12:47.20 | jim | shibida: are you running debian? |
| 12:47.22 | Baughn | jim: I'm not surprised. I'd ask them to use an inertial battery, but it might *explode*. |
| 12:47.30 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Anyway, you'll only get very little help unless you start putting down error messages (in a pastebin) |
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| 12:47.57 | HenkPoley | btw, the wacom driver in X.org doesn't seem to work with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386, for which a binary NDISWrapper exists.. |
| 12:48.02 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: I'll do.. |
| 12:48.08 | amorphix | i wish i had a small lcd monitor |
| 12:48.20 | jim | someone is msging me from here... put it on the channel please... I'm not doing help by /msg |
| 12:49.14 | amorphix | i've got a spare LCD from a busted old Toshiba lappy, I wonder if I could rig something up |
| 12:49.43 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: will take some time. I currently don't have my tablet PC connected to the network, so I'll need to dump the error msgs under 2.6.11 and reboot to 2.6.8 to get them to you over Wifi :-/ |
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| 12:50.05 | shibida | if you try to install a java application as eclipse for exemple apt-get say he can't because of dependences |
| 12:50.36 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Sounds like it's easier for you to type it, and/or fix up your network. |
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| 12:50.51 | jim | shibida: this channel is fine for apt-get questions when you're runnign debian |
| 12:51.08 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: I'll go for typing. Or I should shop for an extra network cable right now ;-) |
| 12:51.08 | jim | shibida: like what depends? |
| 12:51.11 | amorphix | sounds like someone installed something outside their dist? |
| 12:51.27 | shibida | jim :i am runing debian |
| 12:51.35 | jim | ok |
| 12:51.36 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Fix up your wifi. |
| 12:51.48 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: After this ;) |
| 12:51.53 | jim | so you're on a good channel for apt-get questions |
| 12:51.55 | jim | shibida: like what depends? |
| 12:51.56 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: That's was the problem |
| 12:52.14 | amorphix | I'm running BitchX at shell and kind of like it :) |
| 12:52.15 | shibida | he say java2-runtime or sun-sdk1.5 are not here |
| 12:52.22 | Arafangion | amorphix: I prefer irssi |
| 12:52.43 | PerfDave | shibida: apt-get won't install Sun Java because it can't be distributed by Debian. Use GNU Java or /msg dpkg java |
| 12:52.43 | jim | shibida: ok, so you didn't install those as debian packages. right? |
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| 12:53.21 | jim | how well does gnu java work? is there a gnu c# yet? |
| 12:53.51 | shibida | for exemple try to type "apt-get install eclipse-platform" you will see i think |
| 12:53.59 | PerfDave | jim: The language of GNU Java works, it's lacking in quite a few libraries, but it can run Eclipse. |
| 12:54.01 | Arafangion | jim: mono is free. |
| 12:54.03 | rosemary | is there a java 'like' app in debian? |
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| 12:54.11 | amorphix | woohoo I'm surfing the web over GPRS |
| 12:54.14 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Really? Nice. |
| 12:54.19 | PerfDave | rosemary: There's Java in Debian, just not Sun Java :) |
| 12:54.36 | PerfDave | !info free-java-sdk sarge |
| 12:54.36 | rosemary | oh okay PerfDave that's a plus |
| 12:54.38 | dpkg | free-java-sdk: (Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java tools), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 12:54.46 | gabor | hi! can you suggest me a GUI disk partitioner for debian? |
| 12:54.51 | jim | rosemary: you can build debian packages if you use java-package and download a java .bin it supports |
| 12:54.54 | PerfDave | gabor: qtparted |
| 12:54.55 | liable | amorphix: expensive? |
| 12:55.03 | amorphix | liable: its free |
| 12:55.16 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Which java does it use, btw? |
| 12:55.17 | liable | amorphix: where do I get one? :) |
| 12:55.23 | gabor | PerfDave: thx, im looking for it |
| 12:55.28 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Kaffe, gcj, what? |
| 12:55.32 | rosemary | jim, that might be a bit beyond me - only just got sarge 3.1 installed and haven't got screen res right yet, though can use it |
| 12:55.35 | shibida | take a look at this => http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/eclipse-platform |
| 12:55.38 | PerfDave | Arafangion: No idea, I'm not a Java coder :) |
| 12:55.52 | jim | rosemary: it's scripted, it's easy |
| 12:55.55 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Nor I, as a JVM, it sucks, imho. |
| 12:55.55 | amorphix | liable: hehe get a GPRS enabled fone/device and hook up with O2 |
| 12:56.02 | jim | you can do it :P |
| 12:56.02 | Arafangion | PerfDave: mono's much better imho. |
| 12:56.13 | rosemary | jim, I may not need it if there is java in debian |
| 12:56.30 | liable | amorphix: how is it free? |
| 12:56.34 | jim | well, ok |
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| 12:56.45 | PerfDave | Arafangion: *shrug* I've not used Mono at all either. TBH, I have no use for Java, though I think I may play with Eclipse now it works with Free Java. |
| 12:56.53 | amorphix | liable: they provide access to the web for free if you are a customer on their network |
| 12:56.58 | jim | but: want to try it to see how it works? |
| 12:57.08 | liable | amorphix: sweet :) |
| 12:57.10 | shibida | so if i type /msg dphk java and install it i could apt-get all java application ? |
| 12:57.11 | amorphix | :) |
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| 12:57.25 | spunz | anybody using cups-pdf? |
| 12:57.39 | jim | shibida: all? probably not... but maybe some |
| 12:57.55 | rosemary | jim - me try it - probably at some stage |
| 12:57.57 | shibida | jim : i try it |
| 12:58.11 | jim | ok, let's try both of you at once... |
| 12:58.26 | jim | rosemary, shibida: apt-get install java-package |
| 12:58.29 | liable | oooh, threesome :) |
| 12:58.36 | tractor | I'm trying to get X running on an old compaq box with an s3 video card. Xorg's xserver doesn't support the the card but xfree86 says it does.. so I installed everthing that dselct advised for xserver-xfree86 but I get a blank XF86Config file. any ideas? |
| 12:58.38 | amorphix | i'm wondering if i can utilise GPRS access via infrared to my PDA |
| 12:58.46 | PerfDave | shibida: If you install Sun's Java using the Debian packages, you can install things that depend on java-runtime. I think you can just apt-get install free-java-sdk if you want to run eclipse though. |
| 12:58.50 | segment | im trying to run apache in a chroot, but the output of strace chroot /chroot/httpd /usr/sbin/httpd says the file doesnt exist.. but i checked with ls and its there, any ideas? |
| 12:59.16 | jim | rosemary, shibida: this is the script that builds java packages from supported .bin files |
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| 12:59.44 | jim | rosemary, shibida: after you install, read /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 12:59.46 | PerfDave | rosemary, shibida, jim: Be aware that Sun's Java implementation (and others) have onerous licensing conditions which restrict your freedom to code. |
| 12:59.47 | jim | and pick one |
| 12:59.53 | rosemary | jim - just apt-getting firefox - will do the java next :-) |
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| 13:00.34 | amorphix | liable: my solar server project stalled as theres not enough sunshine in UK. heh. I need to invest in poly solar panels, amorphous dont cut it |
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| 13:00.48 | rosemary | PerfDave, not likely to affect this newbie :-) |
| 13:00.52 | jim | PerfDave: let them get lawyers or to read the license themselves if they are interested in that part |
| 13:01.04 | notcbr | why is pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org down? |
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| 13:01.26 | PerfDave | rosemary: Uhm, it may do in future. It's why I don't touch Sun Java - nothing in the license directly affects me *now*, but I'd like to be able to contribute code to Free Java-based projects in future. |
| 13:01.26 | liable | amorphix: haha, I remember, but didnt remember who, save up more then eh? |
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| 13:01.33 | jim | notcbr: it may be down... but it's higher than you! (just kidding) |
| 13:01.33 | ixion | in sarge whats the runlevel for multiuser/no gui? inittab doesnt give any more information than which runlevels are multiuser and which are single user |
| 13:01.35 | Baughn | amorphix: If you need lots of power a solar steam generator might be cheaper. |
| 13:01.41 | amorphix | i'm saving my pennies :P |
| 13:01.43 | notcbr | jim: haha :/ |
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| 13:02.07 | PerfDave | jim: It's worth bringing it to their attention. There are a *lot* of people who don't realise the implications of using Sun's Java implementation. |
| 13:02.13 | scoopexH | ist it possible/practical to force apt-get/dpkg only to install/upgrade packages which are signed by debsums ? |
| 13:02.15 | jim | notcbr: they're playing musical servers/providers at the moment |
| 13:02.17 | amorphix | Baughn what the heck is a solar steam generator, are you pulling my chain? |
| 13:02.25 | ixion | lol |
| 13:02.27 | liable | amorphix: keep at it, interesting to see how it pans out. :) |
| 13:02.27 | scoopexH | how cat i force pat to do this ? |
| 13:02.42 | jim | cat? pat? rat? bat? |
| 13:02.52 | notcbr | ftp.debian.org doesnt respond either |
| 13:02.55 | Baughn | amorphix: Nope. |
| 13:02.55 | nicknicknick | matt? |
| 13:03.01 | PerfDave | scoopexH: It should do that by default, shouldn't it? |
| 13:03.05 | liable | amorphix: maybe wind? |
| 13:03.06 | nicknicknick | fat? brat? nat? |
| 13:03.12 | jim | cat in pat and rat hits bat? |
| 13:03.15 | PerfDave | ixion: You rarely need to mess with runlevels in Debian - /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:03.22 | nicknicknick | is readhead hat? |
| 13:03.23 | amorphix | wind power could do it, but its not too practical for my own setup |
| 13:03.23 | rosemary | jim PerfDave it's telling me can't find package |
| 13:03.34 | Baughn | amorphix: Basically, you use mirrors to concentrate light somewhere it can be converted to heat, and use that heat to generate power. |
| 13:03.42 | PerfDave | rosemary: If you want it, you'll need non-free sources - /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 13:03.45 | rage | ... |
| 13:03.46 | jim | rosemary: it's called "java-package" |
| 13:03.46 | nicknicknick | ohw can't find package? tried calling UPS, Fedex or DHL? |
| 13:03.48 | amorphix | Baughn: cool |
| 13:03.52 | rage | light converted into heat? |
| 13:03.53 | scoopexH | PerfDave: the question is, if it's possible to configure apt-get/dpkg to only accept packages which are signed.-.. |
| 13:03.54 | rage | err |
| 13:03.57 | rosemary | PerfDave, I was referring to the fact I can't code, and probably not that likely to ever be able to :-) |
| 13:04.02 | tractor | amorphix: you doing solar projects? |
| 13:04.04 | Baughn | amorphix: Of course, mirrors are a lot cheaper than solar panels. ;) |
| 13:04.08 | amorphix | tractor: yeah |
| 13:04.14 | liable | amorphix: is that even without hard drives, ie cf? |
| 13:04.15 | tractor | cool me too |
| 13:04.20 | jim | rosemary: your mind will do that to you if you want it to... |
| 13:04.22 | PerfDave | rosemary: I'm not much of a code either. I just think it's morally wrong for Sun to stop me from coding what I want to. |
| 13:04.35 | PerfDave | scoopexH: Yes, and I believe that that's the default configuration. Read the documentation :) |
| 13:04.41 | Baughn | amorphix: I've got a prototype that works like a solar furnace, providing steam for a steam engine, but there are plenty of options. |
| 13:04.51 | shibida | yes i can download a .bin on sun site but apt-get dont know i have it and it refuse to install package who depends java |
| 13:04.53 | amorphix | liable: I decided not to use cf in the end and decided to use RAMdisk |
| 13:04.56 | tractor | but not today .. trying to get X working on demudi box |
| 13:05.07 | jim | shibida: did you install java-package? |
| 13:05.11 | liable | Baughn: where you live though? |
| 13:05.12 | shibida | yes |
| 13:05.18 | jim | do you have the .bin? |
| 13:05.25 | shibida | yes too |
| 13:05.30 | amorphix | Baughn: interesting |
| 13:05.34 | jim | is it listed in SUPPORTED? |
| 13:05.39 | Baughn | amorphix: One nation I know of is building a *HUGE* version of this - a couple square miles of collection, driving hot air through a tower with wind generators that ends somewhere high up. |
| 13:05.39 | shibida | yes |
| 13:05.44 | jim | ok, hold on |
| 13:05.59 | amorphix | phew |
| 13:05.59 | jim | rosemary: got java-package installed? |
| 13:06.11 | Baughn | liable: Tromsø, Norway - around 70 degrees north. |
| 13:06.24 | rosemary | PerfDave, do I add that to apt-get? The /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 13:06.40 | jim | oh, right, you need contrib source |
| 13:06.40 | liable | Baughn: ooh, cold? how does that work? |
| 13:06.50 | rosemary | PerfDave, I agree about being morally wrong - one of the good things about linux - the ethics |
| 13:07.02 | Baughn | liable: Cold? It's so hot I'm going bananas here. |
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| 13:07.20 | liable | Baughn: how hot is hot? |
| 13:07.29 | Baughn | liable: 35 centigrade |
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| 13:07.48 | liable | Baughn: no shit, didnt think it got so hot there... |
| 13:08.01 | Baughn | What a life! WHat a life! |
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| 13:08.11 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 13:08.21 | Baughn | liable: Well, the mountains still are. |
| 13:08.27 | rage | It snows down here |
| 13:08.32 | rage | I'm in Australia :-) |
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| 13:08.34 | Baughn | liable: In general, we're really feeling the effects of global warming. |
| 13:08.57 | liable | Baughn: 35C isnt normal? |
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| 13:09.31 | Baughn | liable: Hardly. It's been getting warmer fast over the last ten years. |
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| 13:10.24 | dvsdude | hey all |
| 13:10.28 | Arafangion | Baughn: Can you believe that there are people who refuse to believe in global warming? |
| 13:10.49 | Baughn | Arafangion: I curse in their general direction. |
| 13:10.52 | Anders | Baughn, it's 18C in sweden where i am atm |
| 13:10.56 | amorphix | everything is getting hotter except my solar panels |
| 13:11.02 | liable | Baughn: yeah, we can argue global warming, but if you look at temps over a long period of time, its hard to say, look at the ice age, we didnt cause that.. |
| 13:11.04 | dvsdude | donno about global warm its pretty cold here in brissy at the mo LOL |
| 13:11.11 | liable | amorphix: ^^ |
| 13:11.11 | Fox_1_ | i have a question but not about debian. No it's for debian:) How can I add my webpage address into google or yahoo or an other search page. |
| 13:11.16 | amorphix | heh |
| 13:11.16 | Anders | and i live in the southern parts of sweden |
| 13:11.16 | rage | It's 7 degrees here in Tassie Australia |
| 13:11.24 | liable | amorphix: sorry not you |
| 13:11.29 | Anders | anyway bbl |
| 13:11.36 | jim | Fox_1_: maybe #web? |
| 13:11.36 | Baughn | Anders: Yeah, but you're inland. It's the coastline that's feeling it. |
| 13:11.39 | amorphix | theres too much cloud in UK and weather is too changeable |
| 13:11.54 | liable | amorphix: migrate :) |
| 13:12.03 | Fox_1_ | jim: ok i'll try:) thanks |
| 13:12.04 | Baughn | liable: Keep saying that, and in a few decades Tromsø will be covered withice. |
| 13:12.04 | Anders | Baughn, i live near the water |
| 13:12.10 | fpmc | Hi all. WIth ACPI enabled on my laptop, it seems that whenever I unplug the ac adapter my backlight is tuned down to about 60%... I can't seem to find where/how this is done, and how I can tweak the behaviour... can anyone help? |
| 13:12.13 | Anders | anyway bbl |
| 13:12.18 | Baughn | Anders: Sea, maybe. Not ocean. |
| 13:12.20 | amorphix | you need very efficient panels to utilise solar energy for anything other than trickle charging, unless you have lots of panels |
| 13:12.43 | liable | Baughn: not saying if its right or wrong, but theres a lot more in it, than I think we know... |
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| 13:13.00 | shingouz | fpmc: your laptop works as it should. afaik that thing is in the bios |
| 13:13.11 | shibida | jim : ok i have created .deb package with java-package and after i just install it ? |
| 13:13.12 | liable | Baughn: but we arent helping indeed |
| 13:13.12 | Baughn | fpmc: It's probably part of the built-in ACPI programs in your machine; you could try to edit them, but... |
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| 13:13.24 | rage | fpmc: Are you dual booting with Windows? |
| 13:13.26 | jim | shibida: good job! |
| 13:13.27 | jim | yes. |
| 13:13.29 | rosemary | amorphix, weather here in NZ has also become very changeable, less seasonal variation |
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| 13:13.43 | amorphix | i gotta put my amorphous cell on ebay today and try to get a poly cell |
| 13:13.43 | liable | fpmc: prolly bios, mine does it too. |
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| 13:13.48 | fpmc | Baughn: that's right, but I can't find any relevant scripts in /etc/acpi.... unless they're elsewhere |
| 13:14.07 | Baughn | amorphix: You're going to need a roof of them to power even a single server. |
| 13:14.08 | fpmc | liable: hm........ you think it's BIOS? Then how come it doesn't do it with acpi=off? |
| 13:14.10 | amorphix | rosemary is it hot there? |
| 13:14.18 | schrankwand | hi can anybody please show me his entry in the /boot/grub/menu.lst for a windows-partition? |
| 13:14.19 | liable | fpmc: it doesnt? |
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| 13:14.30 | Baughn | fpmc: There aren't any scripts. They're part of the BIOS, and are loaded/executed by the kernel. |
| 13:14.42 | fpmc | rage: yes although I only keep Windows for my gf |
| 13:14.43 | liable | fpmc: ok, then, it prolly isnt :) |
| 13:14.46 | ralf | some debian servers are offline? |
| 13:14.48 | rosemary | amorphix, mild today, but varies much more during each season than it used to |
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| 13:14.56 | Baughn | fpmc: That is to say, the programs are in /proc/acpi/dsdt |
| 13:14.56 | fpmc | Baughn: ok if that's the case I'll look into it. Thanks. |
| 13:15.05 | amorphix | i have accquired some pocketPCs to experiment with |
| 13:15.09 | jim | rosemary: how's progress on java-package? |
| 13:15.12 | shibida | jim : yes it is ok |
| 13:15.21 | notcbr | is this down for you too? http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org |
| 13:15.26 | shibida | rosemary : yes it is ok |
| 13:15.28 | amorphix | they use considerably less power than the Toshiba laptop motherboard im working with |
| 13:15.38 | rosemary | jim - I did the dpkg message thing and it's warning me about non-free not being stable |
| 13:15.44 | ralf | {incoming,buildd,ftp-master}.debian.org are offline? |
| 13:15.45 | fpmc | Baughn: thanks, that's good to know |
| 13:15.49 | jim | shibida: no more depend problems? btw, notice in SUPPORTED what all the choices you have |
| 13:15.49 | ralf | or my ISP is dunb? |
| 13:15.53 | ralf | *dumb |
| 13:16.06 | rage | fpmc: One solution I've found that works is I can set the behavour for battery mode and external power mode in Windows, the behavour I set is then how it behaves in Debian, I presume it stores those settings in the BIOS :-) |
| 13:16.09 | rosemary | jim I did take a look using mc to see what I had to alter, and got confused |
| 13:16.10 | jim | rosemary: really, the package you need is in contrib... |
| 13:16.25 | liable | amorphix: "aquired"? :) |
| 13:16.33 | jim | but you might be able to install it now if you added contrib and non-free |
| 13:16.37 | amorphix | liable: i got them cheap off eBay :) |
| 13:16.38 | shibida | jim : no more problem apt like this package |
| 13:16.53 | liable | amorphix: sure :) |
| 13:16.58 | liable | amorphix: jk |
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| 13:17.10 | amorphix | im always collecting junk and broken stuff and i fix it up or use the parts |
| 13:17.14 | shibida | rosemary : i am with unstable version and i have non free in souces.list |
| 13:17.19 | jim | shibida: it's because the packaging tells apt-get you have a java |
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| 13:17.48 | jim | watch out for unstable... it's said to be a mess right now |
| 13:17.51 | rosemary | jim - apt-get install java-package tells me package not available |
| 13:17.53 | abrotman | peterS: GET UP! |
| 13:18.16 | shibida | jim : thanks a lot for help (yesterday i install java-package but i don't understand how it work) |
| 13:18.17 | liable | get up over ip :P |
| 13:18.24 | rosemary | no it says can't find package |
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| 13:19.04 | jim | rosemary: so you don't have a contrib source configured for apt |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | peterS: GET UP! |
| 13:19.46 | tractor | bah |
| 13:19.56 | schrankwand | i have to restart, cu |
| 13:20.02 | ralf | who are newraff & newsamosa? |
| 13:20.36 | jim | ralf: godlike animal entities that are simultaneously like plants and amoebas |
| 13:20.40 | DalaXi | hi, do anyone has experience with ISA Video Card ATI Mach32 under linux (debian sarge) ? |
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| 13:20.48 | rosemary | jim - just looking - only have security updates and stable main |
| 13:20.50 | shibida | rosemary : yes java-package is in contrib of all distribution (stable as well) |
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| 13:21.02 | jim | rosemary: show the deb line |
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| 13:21.13 | ralf | jim: they are servers? |
| 13:21.20 | rosemary | jim so I need to to do apt-setup again |
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| 13:21.30 | jim | not necessarily |
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| 13:21.34 | ralf | in the topic is written they are moving |
| 13:21.34 | bwlang | what's the correct config for /etc/hosts... full host name (including .domain.com) or just hostname |
| 13:21.38 | jim | just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:21.46 | nagual | bwlang: either |
| 13:22.02 | jim | ralf: yes, they are servers |
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| 13:22.20 | ralf | i'm reading on d-d-a that they need hosting |
| 13:22.35 | jim | maybe |
| 13:22.36 | liable | ralf: from bob2 earlier < bob2> faked: two debian.org machines. newraff is ftp-master, and handles uploads of new packages (so no new packages or new versions will appear until it's |
| 13:22.41 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.44 | jim | that is, maybe that's still true |
| 13:22.57 | shibida | rosemary : and a line like this => deb ftp://mirror.cict.fr/debian/ testing main contrib |
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| 13:23.21 | shibida | rosemary : testing or other (stable unstable) |
| 13:23.33 | abrotman | peterS: GET UP! |
| 13:23.34 | jim | rosemary, could you show the line you have? |
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| 13:23.36 | garou | Hello, everybody. |
| 13:23.52 | bwlang | nagual: ... exim seems to use the first item in there - hostname --fqdn just gives the first item... to me a fqdn is host.domain.name do you know of a reference on this? |
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| 13:24.02 | jim | getonup |
| 13:24.04 | bob2 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00016.html, for people interested |
| 13:24.06 | jim | GET UP a |
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| 13:24.07 | jim | getonup |
| 13:24.28 | liable | abrotman: yell louder :) |
| 13:24.44 | jim | STAY ON the SCENE a |
| 13:24.45 | jim | getonup |
| 13:24.49 | nagual | i dont understand bwlang |
| 13:24.50 | abrotman | liable: he was supposed to be playing a sound .. |
| 13:25.02 | liable | abrotman: ahh |
| 13:25.27 | garou | I dist-upgraded my system yesterday, installing xorg instead of xfree86. Now xdm can't open :0 (hung in XOpenDisplay(:0), abortin |
| 13:25.35 | liable | abrotman: keyed into his nick? or what? |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | check the error log ? |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | liable: i guess |
| 13:25.42 | rosemary | jim there are several line, none say contrib except the security deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 13:25.46 | garou | Any ideas why, or even better, how to fix that? |
| 13:25.58 | rosemary | jim I don't want to paste it all and get booted |
| 13:26.00 | jim | rosemary: show the first line |
| 13:26.12 | jim | right, please don't paste it all :) |
| 13:26.23 | rosemary | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 13:26.24 | tractor | I'm trying to get X running on an old compaq box with an s3 video card. Xorg's xserver doesn't support the the card but xfree86 says it does.. so I installed everthing that dselct advised for xserver-xfree86 but I get a blank XF86Config file. any ideas? |
| 13:26.47 | jim | oh, the first uncommented line that starts with deb and is not deb-src :) |
| 13:27.27 | jim | # disables it by making it a comment |
| 13:27.36 | rosemary | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 13:27.55 | jim | hmmm |
| 13:28.01 | jim | unstable? |
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| 13:28.14 | jim | ok, ... |
| 13:28.26 | liable | nah, it says that with sarge even... |
| 13:28.31 | rosemary | jim - I bought the CDs on an online auction as I am on dial-up |
| 13:28.37 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: Do you still have time to look at this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/3S9b3r17.html |
| 13:28.41 | bwlang | nagual: what do you get from hostname --fqdn... i just get "up" i thin i want up.home.langhorst.com |
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| 13:29.06 | rosemary | tractor - I have an s3 card and it didn't work, but vesa does though the resolution is not right I can use the system |
| 13:29.12 | jc-denton | shootout.alioth.debian.org |
| 13:29.18 | jim | rosemary: ok... so java-package may not be on your cds probably |
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| 13:29.29 | jc-denton | does anybody know what's wrong with this page? |
| 13:29.39 | rosemary | jim - but shouldn't it download from a mirror |
| 13:29.47 | jc-denton | pr with alioth |
| 13:29.55 | jc-denton | s/pr/or |
| 13:30.01 | shibida | jim : you want i put my source.list on a site to show her ? |
| 13:30.06 | jim | rosemary: if you have a deb line that refers to a mirror |
| 13:30.11 | tractor | ah thanks rosemary. I tried the vesa driver too - to no avail :( |
| 13:30.15 | jim | shibida: it's ok, I got it |
| 13:30.17 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Try removing the two warnings. |
| 13:30.19 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: the first failed modprobe was with the GCC 4.0.1 compiled module |
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| 13:30.29 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: And try removing the optimization -f as well. |
| 13:30.35 | shibida | jim : wait a minute |
| 13:30.37 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: where to find them? |
| 13:30.39 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: The -f *may* break it, though. |
| 13:30.41 | rosemary | eb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 13:30.42 | jim | shibida: it's ok, I got it |
| 13:30.54 | jim | rosemary: that's the one! |
| 13:30.57 | rosemary | tractor, ah dang! |
| 13:31.13 | shibida | jim : ok so don't need more help ? |
| 13:31.15 | jim | rosemary, make it look like this: |
| 13:31.22 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Hopefully deep in Makefile, but it should hopefully be seomwhere in one of the autotools files in the package. |
| 13:31.23 | rosemary | jim - so why does it tell me it can't find the package |
| 13:31.35 | jim | deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 13:31.36 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: see the grep |
| 13:31.52 | jim | rosemary: because java-package is in contrib not main |
| 13:31.54 | tractor | rosemary: are using xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86? |
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| 13:32.00 | ralf | but, they need hosting or housing? |
| 13:32.03 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: What's the program location? (I might look myself. |
| 13:32.23 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: ? |
| 13:32.24 | liable | jc-denton: doesnt seem to do anything.. |
| 13:32.30 | smhar | !xorg |
| 13:32.30 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 13:32.36 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: I might download and open it myself. |
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| 13:32.43 | bwlang | ahah - i need to set dnsdomainname... where do i set that? |
| 13:32.48 | jc-denton | liable: well it seems down to me |
| 13:32.48 | HenkPoley | apt-get install ndiswrapper-source |
| 13:32.53 | jc-denton | but there was nothing in /topic |
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| 13:33.37 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Ok, where does it put it? |
| 13:33.42 | ralf | why C++ ABI changes and C doesn't? |
| 13:33.51 | HenkPoley | It puts a tar.gz (?) in /usr/src |
| 13:33.58 | jim | ralf: gcc issue |
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| 13:34.19 | HenkPoley | I mkdir'ed a dir called ndiswrapper-source and unp-ed it there |
| 13:34.23 | jim | actually it should change |
| 13:34.31 | ralf | and other compiler's abi? |
| 13:34.38 | liable | jc-denton: yeah, weird, doent even timeout.. |
| 13:34.40 | rosemary | jim okay just doing apt-get update |
| 13:34.48 | jim | rosemary, ahh, good :) |
| 13:34.59 | rosemary | tractor xfree86 |
| 13:35.30 | jc-denton | liable: yes.. |
| 13:35.49 | tractor | ok thx rosemary :) |
| 13:35.51 | liable | jc-denton: sorry, it just did. |
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| 13:35.59 | jim | is there a list of cards that don't need ndiswrapper? |
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| 13:36.12 | rosemary | tractor, are you using xorg? |
| 13:36.25 | tractor | no the other one |
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| 13:36.46 | rosemary | pity it doesn't work |
| 13:36.59 | tractor | but for some reason it loaded xorg-common instead of xfree86-common |
| 13:37.06 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: Any idea if gcc 3.3.5 is ABI compatible with gcc 3.3.3? Then I might as well compile it on my gentoo machine |
| 13:37.10 | rosemary | jim - that bit is done |
| 13:37.24 | jim | ok, try apt-get install java-package |
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| 13:37.33 | liable | tractor: welcome to sid :) |
| 13:37.46 | rosemary | yes I've done that jim |
| 13:37.49 | tractor | it seems like xfree86 and xorg are have a dependancy war |
| 13:37.50 | liquid_ | is there a urchin port for debian? |
| 13:37.51 | jim | ok, |
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| 13:37.56 | neo10 | hello |
| 13:38.03 | liable | tractor: /topic |
| 13:38.05 | jc-denton | liable: k |
| 13:38.05 | neo10 | I have problem with "iptraf" .. |
| 13:38.09 | tractor | heh thanks liable |
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| 13:38.24 | neo10 | I´ve new interface - ath0 and it isn´t in iptraf :( |
| 13:38.25 | darxeth | omg hi neo |
| 13:38.31 | jim | rosemary, read /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 13:38.38 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: It should be. |
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| 13:39.05 | jim | rosemary, and either choose one or see if the one you may have already downloaded is listed there |
| 13:39.05 | tractor | ah.. so this is a sadistic joke, eh? |
| 13:39.08 | abrotman | tractor: use the hitch! |
| 13:39.20 | tractor | hitch? |
| 13:39.22 | shibida | jim : after "fakeroot make-jpkg #####.bin" |
| 13:39.22 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: Then I still should find a way to load the kernel-headers here |
| 13:39.30 | jim | no |
| 13:39.35 | abrotman | tractor: tractor hitch .. |
| 13:39.47 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: You know what's wierd... |
| 13:39.52 | tractor | ah .. my PTO isn't working ;) |
| 13:40.04 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: It somehow found my kernel in /home/thestar/downloads/linux-2.6.6 |
| 13:40.06 | jim | Paper Tape Oscillator? |
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| 13:40.17 | tractor | power take off |
| 13:40.20 | abrotman | Popcorn Turner Overdriver |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | err overdrive |
| 13:40.27 | tractor | lol |
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| 13:40.38 | RafaelLP | ola Portu ?? |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:40.54 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:40.58 | HenkPoley | Hmm, maybe it's somewhere encoded in the running kernel. You need a symlink in /lib/modules/<version>/build to your kernel source (headers..) |
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| 13:41.05 | tractor | is there a place i can just download an XF86Config-4 file from? |
| 13:41.05 | RafaelLP | ok |
| 13:41.10 | neo10 | help me pls.. Why is interface ath0 is not in iptraf :( ? It´s atheros card and it´s using driver Madwifi :( .. |
| 13:41.26 | jim | shibida, she has to choose one or figure out if the one she already downloaded is on the SUPPORTED list |
| 13:41.38 | neo10 | I have else interface wlan0 - driver hostap and is in iptraf |
| 13:42.04 | liable | tractor: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:42.18 | liable | !tell tractor about xmd5sum |
| 13:42.24 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: I never knew it could do that, and not sure if I like it... |
| 13:42.35 | rosemary | jim i haven't already downloaded java, but I think the j2re is what I need |
| 13:42.49 | liable | tractor: do the last bit. |
| 13:43.01 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: follow the Makefile, it's telling how it does it in there ;-) |
| 13:43.16 | jim | rosemary: ok, choose one from the list and then go find it and download it... read: man make-jpkg |
| 13:43.20 | rosemary | jim - so now I do the ap-get install |
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| 13:43.26 | jim | no |
| 13:43.32 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Haha! |
| 13:43.35 | jim | you have to find the .bin |
| 13:43.39 | tractor | yeah ok thanks liable :) |
| 13:43.45 | jim | then you make a debian package from it |
| 13:43.52 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: It does look at /lib/modules/<current kernel>/ |
| 13:43.53 | jim | then you install that package using dpkg |
| 13:44.05 | jim | read: man make-jpkg |
| 13:44.16 | jim | also read: dpkg --help |
| 13:44.35 | rosemary | okay jim I'm making notes |
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| 13:45.01 | jim | you can read the docs at any point |
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| 13:45.11 | krola | how do i reconfigure the locale settings? |
| 13:45.19 | shibida | jim : i take jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin and after i just type fakeroot ... as you can see in "man java-package" |
| 13:45.19 | jim | now, when you need them, etc :) |
| 13:45.22 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Look at your /lib/modules/<current kernel>/Makefile |
| 13:45.31 | liable | um, dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 13:45.35 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: This suggests that you aren't using the same compiler it was made with. |
| 13:45.50 | krola | dpkg-reconfiure locales |
| 13:45.55 | jim | shibida: let her figure it out... she can do it |
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| 13:46.25 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: Probably, the buildtime reads Jun 20, it's a stock kernel |
| 13:46.26 | shibida | jim : ok you want she type to do it by herself sry |
| 13:46.34 | shibida | try |
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| 13:46.39 | liable | what is it when I get a white block with an I in it, as in shibida last post? |
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| 13:46.56 | liable | 3rd last |
| 13:46.59 | krola | liable, you suggestion no good. |
| 13:47.04 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Well I can't figure it out, sorry. |
| 13:47.06 | jim | rosemary: see... debian's software is distributed in packages, and the names of the files of all these packages end in .deb |
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| 13:47.12 | shibida | liable : a TAB pehaps |
| 13:47.32 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: Thanks for your help, I'll figure it out myself eventually |
| 13:47.44 | liable | oh, why does that show though? |
| 13:47.46 | jim | rosemary: the function of make-jpkg is to read one of these .bin files you would download to get java, and write out a .deb |
| 13:47.53 | jim | rosemary: got that part? |
| 13:47.57 | liable | krola: no good eh? |
| 13:47.58 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: I'll try compiling my own kernel with gcc 3.3.3 |
| 13:48.03 | shibida | just copy-paste so .. |
| 13:48.06 | krola | liable, no good. |
| 13:48.22 | liable | krola: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:48.27 | krola | dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 13:48.31 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: You could try setting your KSRC manually. |
| 13:48.41 | krola | liable, reconfigure locale. |
| 13:48.47 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: once you compile it, that is. |
| 13:49.32 | liable | krola: you dont get a list when you do that command? |
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| 13:50.30 | shibida | an other question : for see my raid disk i have to wrote "dmraid -a y" how can do this a boot before fstab mount all devices ? |
| 13:51.01 | liable | krola: ?? |
| 13:51.03 | jim | shibida: is your / on raid? |
| 13:51.05 | krola | liable, nothing. |
| 13:51.06 | shibida | no |
| 13:51.16 | tractor | damn the sumbitch is still blank :( |
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| 13:51.39 | liable | krola: as root?? |
| 13:51.48 | wingot | hey |
| 13:51.51 | krola | liable, you mean to do /dpkg right here or execute the command in a shell? |
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| 13:52.51 | wingot | How do I execute a shell script? I have a file (InstallAOCedega.sh) that I want to execute |
| 13:52.51 | liable | krola: in a shell, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 13:52.51 | shibida | jim : but at begining have to wrote "dmraid -a y" "mount /dev/mapper/.... /mnt/..." etc ... i want put all mount in fstab but dmaraid have to be run first |
| 13:53.00 | liable | krola: as root |
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| 13:53.29 | jim | shibida: is your raid an lvm PV? |
| 13:53.30 | krola | ok, there's the misunderstanding. i'll and return to let you know. |
| 13:54.06 | asg | wingot: chmod +x script ; ./script (or sh ./script) |
| 13:54.16 | wingot | cheers asg |
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| 13:54.32 | smhar | hi |
| 13:54.39 | smhar | I just managed to finish a small -not as small as I wanted though- debian install with blackbox and few app. but blackbox's menu is almost empty.. how can I make a windows manager such as blackbox or xfce to recognise the programs in my system and thus populate its menue |
| 13:55.01 | jim | update-menus? |
| 13:55.01 | asg | smhar: update-menus |
| 13:55.07 | shibida | jim : no semi-hard RAID (my motherboard) dmraid is a soft a download he can read and configure my raid array |
| 13:55.09 | rosemary | jim - okay so far I have found and downloaded the gz package |
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| 13:55.45 | jim | rosemary: gz? is the -exact- filename listed in SUPPORTED? |
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| 13:56.13 | jim | you need the PRECISELY named file as listed in the SUPPORTED file |
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| 13:56.30 | etam | if i apt remove sth does it leaves anything on my disc? |
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| 13:56.40 | digitalbit | cannot get mplayerplug-in to work :( got all links pointing to /opt/netscape/plugins in /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins ... any help please ! |
| 13:56.41 | asg | etam: only if it wasn't --purged |
| 13:56.51 | jim | etam: maybe the config files |
| 13:56.53 | liable | etam: configs, use --purge |
| 13:57.06 | asg | etam: if you've already removed the package, use 'dpkg -P <pkg>' |
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| 13:57.12 | etam | what do You mean with this purge? |
| 13:57.19 | asg | etam: apt-get remove --purge <foo> |
| 13:57.20 | jim | etam: man dpkg |
| 13:57.20 | smhar | asg, thanks |
| 13:57.24 | asg | smhar: you're welcome |
| 13:57.29 | shibida | jim : have you an idea to run dmraid -a y command before execution of fstab ? |
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| 13:57.31 | etam | ok, thank You |
| 13:58.10 | jim | shibida: so your raid is not an lvm PV? |
| 13:58.23 | smhar | I have my own debian system with several DMs but I don't have an .xsession in my home.. what is wrong? if any |
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| 13:59.03 | liable | etam: apt-get install apt-howto |
| 13:59.21 | etam | liable thanks, i will |
| 13:59.22 | jim | shibida: there is a file in /etc/init.d that does the mounting |
| 13:59.24 | jim | find that file |
| 13:59.27 | shibida | jim : no i don't think (i don't know) it is the Silicon chipset of my motherbord |
| 13:59.45 | jim | why/how are you using device-mapper? |
| 13:59.48 | shibida | jim : yes |
| 14:00.03 | abrotman | peterS: wake up |
| 14:00.05 | liable | etam: debian-reference, is another good one :) |
| 14:00.34 | krola | liable, dpkg-reconfigure locales works fine, thks. |
| 14:00.44 | liable | krola: :) |
| 14:00.46 | shibida | jim : Mmm i try to access to my raid aray during long time and dmraid is the only way i found |
| 14:00.56 | jim | ok |
| 14:01.03 | bwlang | what's the command to reconfigure libnet.cfg dpkg-reconfigure libnet1 does not do it... ? |
| 14:01.11 | jim | find the file in /etc/init.d that does mount -a |
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| 14:01.59 | shibida | jim : yes mountall.sh ? |
| 14:02.17 | jim | shibida: howbout put it in there? |
| 14:02.19 | smhar | jim, thanks too |
| 14:02.51 | shibida | jim : ? |
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| 14:03.12 | jim | error: no sicco question before "?" |
| 14:03.22 | jim | !sicco |
| 14:03.22 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 14:04.27 | liable | shibida: may help.. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 14:04.32 | fpmc | Hi. I want to recreate my initrd image to support swsup. i copied a script over to /etc/mkinitrd/scripts, make it executable by all, then did a "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-img-`uname -r`", but the script does not seem to be run |
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| 14:04.39 | fpmc | anyone can help? |
| 14:04.53 | smhar | asg, jim: update-menus is not there |
| 14:05.16 | jim | smhar: are you running debian? |
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| 14:05.43 | smhar | jim, yes :-) |
| 14:05.49 | benny | hi |
| 14:06.02 | jim | !search update-menus |
| 14:06.05 | smhar | jim,debian testing. installed with net-inst |
| 14:06.22 | jim | !find update-menus |
| 14:06.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-menus' (2): (/usr/bin/{update-menus|update-menus.real}) in admin/menu ;; (/usr/sbin/cdd-update-menus, /usr/share/cdd/cdd-update-menus) in misc/cdd-common. |
| 14:06.34 | rosemary | jim - the exact package name was j2re-1.4.2-01-linux-i586.bin - but the mirror called it packages.gz |
| 14:07.07 | jim | rosemary: ok, do you have the file j2re-1.4.2-01-linux-i586.bin ? |
| 14:07.08 | rosemary | hope it's the correct one - maybe I'll start again |
| 14:07.46 | asg | smhar: apt-get install menu |
| 14:07.47 | jim | rosemary: as long as it's in SUPPORTED, it's your choice |
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| 14:07.52 | smhar | jim, found and being installed thanks |
| 14:08.03 | smhar | asg.. yah ..thanks |
| 14:08.20 | etam | do You know why i dont have polish font in my console? |
| 14:08.35 | asg | smhar: oh, and .xsession is an optional file you create for yourself. It isn't required nor is a default one installed in your $HOME. |
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| 14:08.47 | jim | smhar: I'm not sure why this thing that has the graphical menu that you have did not also install menu |
| 14:09.02 | shibida | my raid have to be build by motherborad bios (windows have too see raid too) so to see the data on the raid i use device mapper but i dont find any information about how mount a silicon raid partition ... just whith dmraid utility |
| 14:09.04 | smhar | I though a small debian with x and a light wm will only take few hundred MBs, but it is taking almost a 1GB hear |
| 14:09.09 | rosemary | jim it's in supported |
| 14:09.12 | jim | no package install ever touches /home |
| 14:09.13 | majik | Hi, im trying to download sarge, but the DVD iso is only 300 meg? is that right? |
| 14:09.18 | asg | smhar: then you've installed a bunch of other stuff by accident |
| 14:09.34 | asg | smhar: a base install with a minimal X should take no more than 200 or 300 megs |
| 14:09.52 | rosemary | jim and it is the package called packages.gz - I've looked at it in mc |
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| 14:09.56 | liable | etam: how would we know what is going on in your box? |
| 14:09.57 | jim | rosemary: ok, good :) next step is to make sure you actually have that file, and know where it is in your filesystem |
| 14:09.57 | iom | hi |
| 14:09.58 | streuner | majik: why not just use d-i? |
| 14:10.06 | streuner | dpkg, d-i majik |
| 14:10.10 | jim | no, packages.gz is soemthing else |
| 14:10.10 | dpkg | majik, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:10.18 | majik | d-i? |
| 14:10.30 | liable | ^^ |
| 14:10.32 | iom | i just burn debian net intall, but i can't boot it :/ someone can help me plz ? |
| 14:10.34 | majik | someone at school asked me to download it for them, im not using it myself |
| 14:10.44 | cahoot | etam: enabled polish locale? |
| 14:10.48 | rosemary | jim it's in /home/rosemary/downloads |
| 14:10.49 | streuner | iom: what CPU do you have? |
| 14:10.52 | liable | iom: you burnt it wrong.. |
| 14:10.53 | Ronin | iom: set your bios to boot from cd? |
| 14:10.56 | smhar | asg, well samba and nfs and a small file manager plus vlc |
| 14:11.10 | iom | yes |
| 14:11.14 | Ronin | oops never mind just reread what you typed |
| 14:11.15 | jim | rosemary: and not packages.gz, but the .bin file? |
| 14:11.25 | iom | burned it with nero.. it's a pb ? |
| 14:11.30 | majik | dpkg: someone at school asked me to download it for them, im not using it myself, just wanna make sure i get the right iso |
| 14:11.38 | liable | iom: what did you burn it with? |
| 14:11.42 | rosemary | jim - no it's the packages.gz file |
| 14:11.49 | etam | cahoot what do You mean? |
| 14:11.50 | iom | nero |
| 14:11.50 | jim | that's not the right file |
| 14:11.52 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 14:11.53 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 14:11.55 | liable | iom: you made it bootable? |
| 14:11.58 | asg | smhar: did you use aptitude or apt-get to install packages? |
| 14:11.59 | rosemary | looks like I'm starting again :-) sigh! |
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| 14:12.09 | etam | cahoot only in instalation i selected polish sth |
| 14:12.20 | jim | !bloot |
| 14:12.25 | Nullinga | hallo sind hier deutsche ? |
| 14:12.28 | asg | !de |
| 14:12.28 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:12.35 | liable | wow |
| 14:12.42 | streuner | Nullinga: yes, but speak english here. |
| 14:12.59 | jim | he's a bot, hear him bloot |
| 14:12.59 | smhar | smhar, aptitude but some packages recommended apache and others and I removered them |
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| 14:13.25 | a1fa | courier-imap package is fscked up! |
| 14:13.34 | shibida | have to leave |
| 14:13.39 | shibida | bye all |
| 14:13.41 | jim | rosemary: yeah, gotta get the right file |
| 14:13.43 | iom | cu |
| 14:13.46 | asg | smhar: aptitude auto-installs suggested packages which is usually a bunch of crap you don't need. I'd suggest using dpkg -l to find package and remove them. Unused libraries can be removed with 'deborphan' |
| 14:13.47 | liable | iom: in nero, make sure you just burn it as an iso, and make it bootable. |
| 14:13.57 | jim | shibida: see ya, good luck |
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| 14:14.09 | iom | i check this |
| 14:14.23 | shibida | jim :tanks see you |
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| 14:14.42 | jim | yes, tanks see me but I never see tanks... |
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| 14:15.13 | Whisky_ | this really sucks. Yahoo Messenger requires libssl0.9.6 and I have libssl0.9.7 installed but it is still complaining :/ |
| 14:15.36 | jim | Whisky_: unstable? |
| 14:15.39 | liable | iom: there is even instructions at debian.org i think, on burning cd's |
| 14:15.40 | rosemary | jim - sorry to take so long - been using mandriva for last seven months after windows for ten years so bit of a learning curve |
| 14:15.41 | majik | Why is the Bittorrent iso 4.36gig and the http or ftp file only 300meg for the binary-1 dvd? |
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| 14:16.05 | smhar | asg, I will do that.. thanks |
| 14:16.07 | jim | rosemary: np... you'll get it, just keep trying |
| 14:16.10 | liable | iom: for nero even |
| 14:16.21 | iom | yes ? |
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| 14:16.27 | Whisky_ | jim: It was on the Disc 1 of Debian Sarge |
| 14:16.51 | iom | i opended netinstall iso, but no option for bootable :/ |
| 14:16.52 | jim | sarge is released... the versions should match... |
| 14:16.54 | liable | Whisky_: are you getting that from the net? |
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| 14:17.10 | Nullinga | dbox2 Developer here ? |
| 14:17.11 | drac | majik: Because of your buggy browser? wget seems to handle them as 4gb files. |
| 14:17.19 | mxn | Whisky_: Seriously consider using gaim. That supports Yahoo! IM. |
| 14:17.20 | Whisky_ | liable: Yeah.... |
| 14:17.22 | drac | majik: ..and so does opera |
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| 14:17.32 | liable | Whisky_: if that is the case, then you need to dist-upgrade |
| 14:17.35 | jim | Nullinga: you can email dbox2@packages.debian.org |
| 14:17.44 | majik | drac, im in windows, and i tried it with firefox, flashget, bulletproof, all the same size |
| 14:17.45 | majik | ? |
| 14:17.57 | majik | the torrent is going way too slow |
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| 14:18.07 | mentor | Whisky_: libssl0.9.6 != libssl0.9.7 |
| 14:18.15 | Whisky_ | liable: These packages will be installed: gedit gedit-common libgadu3 libkrb53 sudo zlib1g |
| 14:18.17 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 14:18.20 | Whisky_ | mentor: ?? :s |
| 14:18.21 | mentor | Whisky_: They probably have different API/ABIs... |
| 14:18.26 | liable | Whisky_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:18.37 | liable | Whisky_: then try installing it.. |
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| 14:19.07 | jim | Nullinga, I'm not doing private support without a paid contract; sorry |
| 14:19.08 | mxn | Whisky_: Or you could try apt-get install gaim if it isn't installed already. :-) |
| 14:19.10 | Whisky_ | liable: Problem: I dont have anything in my sources.list apart from the CD drive and the security.debian.org....where can I get more links? :S |
| 14:19.23 | liable | Whisky_: apt-setup |
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| 14:19.30 | mxn | Whisky_: As root. |
| 14:19.33 | Whisky_ | k |
| 14:20.09 | liable | Whisky_: then comment your cd source in sources.lst |
| 14:20.27 | mxn | Although I was personally gratified to find http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full for hands on modification. :-) |
| 14:20.34 | Whisky_ | liable: Okies |
| 14:20.38 | jim | Nullinga, I said that because you /msged me rather than ask on the channel |
| 14:20.46 | McFly | I tried to compile a new kernel, after rebooting I had no network. Seems I forgot to inlude the net card driver. I rerean menuconfig and selected it, redid make-kpkg and dbkg -i, but did still seems to not load. Do I need to do anything special when making changes in menuconfig? |
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| 14:21.46 | liable | McFly: keep trying, or dont do it, we dont really support custom compiles here. |
| 14:21.57 | jim | McFly: you do have to rebuild after menuconfig... and you have to install the resulting package after make-kpkg invocatiom |
| 14:22.01 | scyrma | Yeah! x.org is working on my laptop, dri is working! wooohooo! |
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| 14:22.12 | liable | McFly: because debian makes perfectly good images.. |
| 14:22.14 | scyrma | well, for once, I'm not in this channel to ask a question.. :) |
| 14:22.38 | resiak | McFly: Start from a Debian .config |
| 14:23.12 | liable | McFly: tip: dont forget make-kpkg clean. |
| 14:23.20 | Whisky_ | liable: The default kernels support USB ? |
| 14:23.34 | liable | Whisky_: yeak, of course. |
| 14:23.37 | jim | yes they do |
| 14:23.41 | McFly | liable: Just trying to upgrade my kernel is all. Thanks, will try |
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| 14:23.58 | Whisky_ | the one I had on RedHat didnt, heh |
| 14:24.01 | drac | !tell Scusi about root |
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| 14:24.31 | liable | McFly: is ok, just figure it out, (many compiles will sort it out), but as I say, not really supported here. |
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| 14:25.01 | McFly | Yeah, I understand...was just asking for some suggestions...thanks |
| 14:25.02 | liquid_ | how can I test HDD performance? |
| 14:25.10 | Whisky_ | Debian on Dialup is a pain. |
| 14:25.27 | jim | drop HDD from 10-story building... see how it performs while falling :) |
| 14:25.33 | liquid_ | awesome |
| 14:25.35 | liquid_ | :D |
| 14:25.39 | liquid_ | now I mean on commandline |
| 14:25.39 | liable | McFly: kernel compiles are very hard to give support for due to many diff hardware etc.. |
| 14:25.47 | mxn | McFly: Also, don't forget to check the way you included the net driver in your kernel config. |
| 14:26.03 | Whisky_ | liquid_: I'd consider a HDD with a high RPM to be a better one. |
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| 14:26.15 | liquid_ | Whisky_, jim I mean testing it on debian |
| 14:26.19 | liquid_ | it's up and running |
| 14:26.27 | liquid_ | I want to know if it's working as it should or not |
| 14:26.29 | mxn | liquid_: I *did* know a method for testing data transfer rates...what is it specfically you want to test? |
| 14:26.33 | jim | liquid_: there might be benchmark test programs around somewhere |
| 14:26.40 | Whisky_ | well then what seems to be the problem :/ |
| 14:26.43 | mxn | liquid_: For example, if your drive appears to be running very slow, you may need to check whether or not DMA is enabled. |
| 14:26.44 | liquid_ | what's hdparm? |
| 14:26.52 | jim | man hdparm |
| 14:26.54 | jim | and see :) |
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| 14:27.33 | sorush20 | guys I keep getting the message that Searching for boot record form IDE..0OK and the HDD seemes to be working constantly can anyone help... I xcant even boot to |
| 14:27.33 | sorush20 | Grub or anything else.. this happened when I tried to bootcfg |
| 14:27.40 | cahoot | liquid_: bonnie++ ? |
| 14:28.28 | jim | sorush20: you should put that on one line if you're gonna paste it :) |
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| 14:29.12 | sciboy | Hi, i need some help setting up IrDa so i can sync with my Palm IIIx. |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | irda-tools! |
| 14:29.35 | liable | sorush20: could you re-explain that? |
| 14:29.51 | sciboy | I've been playing around with modules for quite a bit, but i dunno what im doing wrong. |
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| 14:30.15 | sciboy | abrotman: I take it you have experience with irda? =) |
| 14:30.29 | abrotman | sciboy: not a whit .. except between two windows laptops :) |
| 14:30.40 | Whisky_ | hmmm...... |
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| 14:30.52 | Whisky_ | any ideas on copying my entire Debian installation to another PC? :p |
| 14:30.52 | safaa | How can I get libm11 (required by php 5) via apt? |
| 14:31.15 | sciboy | I think i got the right module? |
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| 14:31.37 | sciboy | "SMsC IrDA Controller found" |
| 14:31.56 | safaa | Whisky_, tar |
| 14:31.59 | sciboy | "found SMC SuperIO Chip (devid=0x5a rev=00 base=0x002e): LPC47N227" |
| 14:32.04 | liable | Whisky_: why not just install it to the new one? |
| 14:32.12 | bob2 | safaa: it really build-depends on a particular version? |
| 14:32.17 | sciboy | What now? =/ |
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| 14:32.36 | liable | Whisky_: more experience :) |
| 14:32.40 | Whisky_ | liable: will have to get loads of things downloaded again :s And Dialup sucks at downloads, heh |
| 14:32.48 | Whisky_ | =p |
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| 14:33.04 | fatal__ | Whisky_: if you want an image of the running system, use tar to create a backup and then boot the new machine with a rescue-cd unpack and install the bootloader... if you only want to have the same packages on both machines, use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections. |
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| 14:33.24 | liable | Whisky_: bah, cd1 has most stuff, what extra have you installed? |
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| 14:33.31 | bob2 | mxn: he was eaten |
| 14:33.40 | liable | hehe |
| 14:33.41 | cahoot | mxn: the infamous bobby in 'Dallas'? |
| 14:33.42 | safaa | bob2, how can i install php 5 via apt? |
| 14:33.50 | safaa | bob2, I run stable sarge |
| 14:33.55 | Whisky_ | liable: ermm, nothing =p |
| 14:33.57 | bob2 | safaa: no idea |
| 14:33.59 | Whisky_ | lol im an idiot |
| 14:34.03 | bob2 | presumably dotdeb has packages for it |
| 14:34.05 | liable | Whisky_: right... |
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| 14:34.15 | liable | Whisky_: do it :) |
| 14:34.26 | gAri- | fatal__: I want to have some backup solution of the system, to be able to reproduce it in any case of failure in less than an hour. what do you suggest what is the best solution? |
| 14:34.27 | Whisky_ | np. |
| 14:34.33 | bnoji | Linux or FreeBSD for a box whose sole purpose is a BIND server? I noticed, pthreads are mentioned as not completely implemented in linux... |
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| 14:34.41 | bnoji | And BIND makes use of them |
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| 14:34.58 | safaa | bob2, ok |
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| 14:35.37 | safaa | Is there anyone here hwo know how to install php 5 via apt? |
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| 14:36.08 | bob2 | bnoji: how new is the machine? |
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| 14:37.48 | McFly | safaa: Try "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ ./" in your sources.list file |
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| 14:38.18 | fpmc | Hi. I'm trying to build a new mkinitrd image, but my scripts in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts does not seem to run when I do mkinitrd... anyone know why that might be the case/ |
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| 14:39.31 | mmp_l | Hi:-) Is there any (simple) way to install debian into a big file on a fat filesystem (and boot it from grub preferrably) ? |
| 14:39.34 | jim | fpmc: look at a successfully built initrd setup and trace the flow of control. after you have done this, you'll then be able to build any initrd setup you want. |
| 14:39.44 | liable | fpmc: using make-kpkg? what do you mean by 'your scripts'? |
| 14:40.07 | abrotman | !tell safaa about php5 |
| 14:40.21 | bob2 | safaa: http://www.google.com/search?q=php5+debian+sarge+packages |
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| 14:40.26 | fpmc | jim: what do you mea? |
| 14:40.30 | dystopian | is it very hard to enable a bootsplash, and once enabled would tht mean one has a custom kernel? what kind of problems whould that create if there were security updates from debian to the kernel? |
| 14:40.36 | jim | fpmc: look at a successfully built initrd setup and trace the flow of control. after you have done this, you'll then be able to build any initrd setup you want. |
| 14:40.39 | fpmc | liable: as in, putting scripts in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts and running "mkinitrd |
| 14:40.41 | jim | THAT is what I mean. |
| 14:40.42 | asg | dystopian: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 14:40.47 | bnoji | bob2: The bind servers will be new...as in, not purchased yet |
| 14:40.54 | dystopian | ah ty :) |
| 14:41.07 | fpmc | jim: how do I trace the "flow of control", not understanding fully sorry |
| 14:41.07 | liable | fpmc: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 14:41.10 | bob2 | bnoji: then it doesn't matter, use whichever you prefer |
| 14:41.24 | jim | read the files, see what they do |
| 14:41.27 | bob2 | bnoji: any small performance gain one might give you over the other will be unmeasurable |
| 14:41.29 | bnoji | also, I need a good disk imaging and backup solution... |
| 14:41.38 | jim | evaluate and analyse the situation completely |
| 14:41.46 | jim | then you will be able to build what you want |
| 14:41.48 | fpmc | liable: Enabling software suspend support for initrd image |
| 14:41.53 | asg | bnoji: g4u + bacula or backuppc |
| 14:42.01 | jim | how? you decide that |
| 14:42.15 | liable | fpmc: why cant you just use make-kpkg --initrd? |
| 14:42.18 | bnoji | asg: This is for big stuff...can it handle it? |
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| 14:42.27 | asg | bnoji: yes |
| 14:42.32 | fpmc | jim; ok, I understand that. But I just want to know how come mkinitrd does not run my scripts (right now just a simple echo) when it says in man page it would |
| 14:42.34 | liable | fpmc: or just kerenl_image? |
| 14:42.44 | fpmc | liable: that's what I'm doing |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 14:42.50 | fpmc | liable: "too" |
| 14:42.51 | jim | fpmc: analyse the situation to determine that. |
| 14:43.01 | asg | bnoji: there are commercial solutions if your PHB wants a support contract also. |
| 14:43.15 | asg | abrotman: woohoo |
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| 14:43.37 | fpmc | jim: I would love to if I know where to start..... is there a generic way of getting debug output out of programs? |
| 14:44.10 | liable | fpmc: but whats this about scripts? |
| 14:44.20 | jim | probably each program outputs debug on stderr |
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| 14:45.10 | bnoji | asg: I need a good disk imaging app too, or should I just use dd |
| 14:45.11 | fpmc | liable: well, the script that I downloaded from says that when I use "mkinitrd" or "make-kpkg", it would generate the initrd image for me, and when it does that, it should run scripts in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts. And it does say that on "man mkinitrd" as well |
| 14:45.20 | jim | fpmc: maybe you should read the documentation on the programs you're wanting to get debug output from |
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| 14:45.54 | jim | fpmc: do the scripts you write make it into your initrd image? |
| 14:45.54 | fpmc | jim: sorry just for reference did I sound like I didn't know what I was talking about? |
| 14:45.55 | asg | bnoji: ghost 4 unix (g4u) is a pretty good solution. |
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| 14:46.24 | jim | fpmc: to some degree, yes |
| 14:46.46 | fpmc | jim: the scripts are supposed to edit some behaviour in the initrd image. The desired behaviour is it would modify linuxrc, but I checked it didn't do that by mouting the initrd image itself |
| 14:47.14 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: I think I've hit a build problem with the Debian patchset for 2.6.11, it's also there with GCC 3.3.3, and on close examination the error says it's defining things twice when it shouldn't. I'll try dropping to the vanilla Linux kernel |
| 14:47.33 | liable | fpmc: is this suspend2 or the kernel one? |
| 14:47.58 | tractor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.02 | jim | I'm pretty sure you have to compose your initrd boot concept... meaning that if you want to run certain scripts, you might have to refer to them from the file that starts running |
| 14:48.07 | Arafangion | HenkPoley: Ok. |
| 14:48.07 | fpmc | liable: suspend2 |
| 14:48.10 | jim | I mean, that would make sense, rigth? |
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| 14:48.40 | jim | and if that file is linuxrc, maybe that's where you start |
| 14:48.49 | liable | fpmc: can I have the link for it? |
| 14:48.54 | bob2 | tractor: on sid? |
| 14:49.06 | jim | you still haven't said (and also maybe not determined) whether your scripts are actually making it into the initrd image |
| 14:49.14 | tractor | no it's sarge , ithink |
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| 14:49.32 | HenkPoley | Arafangion: no idea why I should tell you, but anyways ;-) |
| 14:49.39 | rosemary | jim - I feel as though I am going around in circles witrh this java stuff right now, so going to leave until later tomorrow when I am fresh, and haveanother try. I think I have enough notes, so thanks |
| 14:49.43 | jim | here's a trivia question for ya: as the result of what command you would run, is the initrd image created? |
| 14:49.55 | fpmc | jim: well I was trying to explain that the scripts's behaviour is not to exist in the initrd image, but to modify the initrd image in some way. And it does not do that |
| 14:49.58 | jim | rosemary: ok, good enough |
| 14:50.01 | liable | fpmc: anyway, why not build it in? |
| 14:50.14 | fpmc | liable: build what in? |
| 14:50.15 | liable | fpmc: works for me.. |
| 14:50.24 | liable | fpmc: suspend2 |
| 14:50.25 | tractor | I just want to take xorg-common out and replace it with xfree86-common |
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| 14:50.34 | metaperl | how do I check to see if a debian package is installed? |
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| 14:50.45 | jim | metaperl, dpkg --help |
| 14:50.46 | asg | metaperl: dpkg -l <pkg> ; apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 14:50.48 | liable | fpmc: its a kernel patch at the moment |
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| 14:51.26 | fpmc | jim: the initrd image is created. I mounted it. The linuxrc file is not changed, which the script is supposed to do. |
| 14:51.27 | metaperl | abrotman and jim and asg : thanks |
| 14:51.43 | fpmc | liable: suspend2 can't run with initrd unless you modify linuxrc |
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| 14:51.51 | rosemary | can anyone help me change resolution - monitor needs 1024 x 768 @ 75 but it keep defaulting to 640 x 480 @ 61, or something. Tried to alter it using kandrtray and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it won't let me change it |
| 14:51.52 | tractor | at least I think that's what I want to do :| |
| 14:51.56 | fpmc | it says VERY clear with BIG warning on their web page |
| 14:51.56 | jim | fpmc: by what command? |
| 14:51.58 | rosemary | did it as root :-) |
| 14:52.08 | liable | fpmc: I run it built into my kernel. |
| 14:52.18 | liable | fpmc: link? |
| 14:52.31 | fpmc | jim: 'mkinitrd'. I analyzed how make-kpkg works and it indeed runs a mkinitrd at the end when it detects it needs to do so |
| 14:52.33 | fpmc | liable: hang on |
| 14:52.34 | jim | rosemary: btw, did you obtain the .bin file? |
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| 14:52.49 | jetx | rosemary hwinfo --monitor, note v&h refresh values, drxx, chose advanced |
| 14:52.54 | jetx | !drxx rosemary |
| 14:52.54 | dpkg | rosemary: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 14:52.57 | rosemary | jim - no - that's why I am taking a break from it - felt I was going in circles |
| 14:53.00 | liable | fpmc: if you are compiling a kernel, why fuck with initrd? |
| 14:53.02 | jim | fpmc: make-kpkg does -not- actually create the image |
| 14:53.10 | jim | fpmc: what does? |
| 14:53.15 | fpmc | liable: you mean, why use initrd? |
| 14:53.24 | fpmc | jim: sorry, dpkg -i |
| 14:53.26 | TheAsp | your initrd is made when you install the kernel |
| 14:53.32 | liable | fpmc: exacty, why? |
| 14:53.34 | jim | fpmc: yes :) |
| 14:53.36 | jetx | shouldn't it run mkinitrd when you supply the --initrd directive |
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| 14:53.51 | Wyzard | jetx: No, it does it when you *install* the resulting .deb |
| 14:53.54 | jim | jetx: nope (why?) |
| 14:53.55 | fpmc | jetx: it builds a deb package that when run with dpkg -i will create the initrd image |
| 14:54.00 | tractor | dpkg: --help |
| 14:54.03 | jetx | ahh |
| 14:54.05 | fpmc | jim: and? |
| 14:54.22 | jetx | jim: because i wanted to know :) |
| 14:54.28 | fpmc | liable: link to warning from swsusp2 - http://www.suspend2.net/HOWTO-2.html#ss2.5 |
| 14:54.29 | Wyzard | jetx: That way you can install the .deb on any computer, and it'll build an initrd appropriate for that computer |
| 14:54.37 | liable | thanks |
| 14:55.08 | jim | no, my question to you is "why would it create the initrd when the package is installed rather than when the package is created"? |
| 14:55.27 | fpmc | liable: link where I got my script: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_ACPI_work |
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| 14:55.52 | jetx | jim: yeah that makes more sense, now that the obvious has been pointed out to me :/ |
| 14:55.57 | fpmc | jim: how does that answer matter in my case? |
| 14:56.16 | bob2 | bnoji: one thing in Debian's favour is that bind9 is auto-chrooted on install |
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| 14:56.27 | jim | acpi does work with standard kernels... |
| 14:56.29 | liable | fpmc: dude, just build all the shit you need into the kernel (root stuff) and do away with initrd. |
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| 14:56.47 | fpmc | liable: can't, using /dev/hda5 to boot |
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| 14:57.02 | TheAsp | initrd's are useful . . . |
| 14:57.07 | fpmc | liable: if you mean build static FS, I will do that if I can't get this to work |
| 14:57.11 | jim | for installs :) |
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| 14:57.54 | fpmc | my question is more like why wouldn't the script help me build a correct initrd image |
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| 14:58.17 | fpmc | when it says very clearly in man mkinitrd that it will run scripts in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts, and it doesn't |
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| 14:58.18 | liable | fpmc: gah, no, your root fs, your ide controller, etc, built in. |
| 14:58.23 | jim | have you completely explored how it builds images? |
| 14:58.34 | fpmc | liable: I know, will do that if I can't get this to work :) |
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| 14:59.03 | fpmc | jim: no, and I would need some advice/suggestions on how to do that, as my Google search turned up nothing |
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| 14:59.18 | Wyzard | Sarge D-I has ntfsresize, right? |
| 14:59.21 | jim | have you tried reading the code to make-kpkg? |
| 14:59.30 | Wyzard | (I know Ubuntu's installer does, but I want to check that sarge has it too) |
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| 14:59.58 | liable | fpmc: um, that second link, where is a script? |
| 15:00.02 | fpmc | jim: I don't care about make-kpkg at this point, just want to know aobut mkinitrd..... and if you're suggesting that I should read mkinitrd's code to see what's wrong, I'l try |
| 15:00.11 | fpmc | liable: read down, search for "Debian" |
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| 15:00.28 | jim | but make-kpkg sets everything up |
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| 15:00.45 | jim | if you want to understand how this works, that's the logical place to start |
| 15:01.17 | Whisky_ | how do u completely refresh a page in a browser? like Ctrl+F5 does it in Wind0wz :p |
| 15:01.17 | liable | fpmc: paste this script in #flood |
| 15:01.30 | asg | Whisky_: CTRL+SHIFT+R |
| 15:01.34 | Whisky_ | kk |
| 15:01.41 | jim | Whisky_: wouldn't that depend on the browser? |
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| 15:01.54 | fpmc | jim: make-kpkg only sets up the default initrd image. It runs a "mkinitrd" command at the end, and that's why I want to know about mkinitrd. I have been trying to make myself clear that I already explored what make-kpkg does and it runs mkinitrd! |
| 15:01.56 | dogmeat | anyone know of a free anonymizer proxy service for http, irc, ssh? |
| 15:01.57 | TheAsp | fpmc: did you look inside your initrd? |
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| 15:02.06 | fpmc | TheAsp: yes |
| 15:02.06 | liable | I think just F5 does it.. |
| 15:02.17 | Whisky_ | jim: Not really, firefox does it that way in windows and it wasent doing it here. Ctrl+Shift+R did it, thanks asg |
| 15:02.17 | TheAsp | fpmc: is your script in there? |
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| 15:02.43 | liable | TheAsp: you know what he's about? |
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| 15:03.04 | jim | Whisky_: so every browser in the world does it the same way? |
| 15:03.08 | fpmc | TheAsp: see, the script will not go IN to the initrd image. It's a post-build, pre-mkcramfs step that allows you to modify the initrd image before it's built into a ".img" file |
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| 15:03.10 | zone17 | Hi, I am trying to use configure script on some software but I get the error http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=44859, what package do I need exactly? I have shown what I have installed also. |
| 15:03.17 | rosemary | I just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again, but still the same large icons and boxes that are too big for screen - I have something wrong |
| 15:03.21 | bnoji | I'm wondering if it's worth running Solaris 10 for all of our new machines. |
| 15:03.21 | fpmc | liable: or alternatley, http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/swsusp/2.0.0.102/swsusp-initrd.sh |
| 15:03.22 | Whisky_ | jim: Yup, depending on which OS you are. |
| 15:03.25 | zebalin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.56 | jim | Whisky_: you just answered your own question, and correctly. "it depends". |
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| 15:04.13 | Whisky_ | jim: Every browser does it the same way if u are in Windows :p |
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| 15:04.19 | Whisky_ | and another same way in Linux :d |
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| 15:04.30 | TheAsp | fpmc: ahh |
| 15:04.33 | jim | no, that's not true |
| 15:04.41 | fpmc | jim: me? |
| 15:04.47 | zone17 | How do I install qt? Since there is no package named qt, what is the right one? Sorry if it's stupid. |
| 15:05.03 | asg | !compile kde stuff |
| 15:05.18 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.net/?KdeDebBuild |
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| 15:06.01 | jim | Whisky_: how does links do it? lynx? |
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| 15:06.46 | liable | fpmc: are you actually rebuilding a kernel, or just trying to add support to an existing one? |
| 15:06.49 | Whisky_ | jim: Ok u win |
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| 15:07.18 | liable | Whisky_: F5 reloads firefox |
| 15:07.20 | jim | Whisky_: there is not a standard like that for different browsers in linux... |
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| 15:07.50 | Whisky_ | k |
| 15:07.56 | jim | it might be nice if there were |
| 15:08.09 | fpmc | liable: I've already built a new kernel, now just need to set up initrd image and I'm all set |
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| 15:08.30 | jim | it might be nice if every x app were to follow apple human interface guidelines... but that's not going to happen soon |
| 15:09.00 | liable | fpmc: dude just build it in, and dont worry about the initrd stuff |
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| 15:09.09 | Wyzard | jim: GNOME and KDE have their own HIG which aren't bad |
| 15:09.45 | toresbe | Wyzard: I didn't know KDE had a HIG |
| 15:09.48 | jim | I'm not so impressed with gnome yet... |
| 15:09.50 | simonrvn | but it's still designed around the winbloz look... |
| 15:09.59 | toresbe | simonrvn: What? |
| 15:10.03 | simonrvn | ...which sucks horribly |
| 15:10.05 | fpmc | liable: ok, I'll do that |
| 15:10.12 | simonrvn | kde especially |
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| 15:10.20 | toresbe | Yeah, KDE is *bad*. |
| 15:10.31 | HenkPoley | simonrvn: you can make it look like Apple Classic if you want ;-) |
| 15:10.32 | simonrvn | gnome not so much. but at first it was horrid |
| 15:10.34 | Wyzard | toresbe: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/basics/index.html |
| 15:10.35 | toresbe | But the Windows look is actually quite nice. It's fairly intuitive. |
| 15:10.36 | fpmc | still feel pretty dumb that something I read on the man page doesn't work as expected and I CAN"T figure out why |
| 15:10.42 | Whisky_ | KDE rocks =p |
| 15:10.55 | simonrvn | IMO BTW :) |
| 15:11.14 | Whisky_ | :) |
| 15:11.27 | positrix | what's a good graphics api for a beginner? gtk2? qt? athena? |
| 15:11.36 | jim | simonrvn: it's configurable, as much or as little as you'd want... if it has a particular look initially, it's because it's the default for the debian package that contains it |
| 15:11.36 | MoDaX | KDE or Gnome is a matter of taste |
| 15:11.42 | liable | toresbe: agreed. |
| 15:11.42 | asg | toresbe: Windows is not user friendly |
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| 15:11.51 | toresbe | asg: Its interface is. |
| 15:11.53 | Wyzard | positrix: Those are toolkits, not graphics APIs |
| 15:12.04 | asg | toresbe: only if you grew up with it. |
| 15:12.05 | toresbe | asg: Breaking horribly at intervals is not userfriendly, though. |
| 15:12.10 | jim | positrix: plain text... fvwm2... |
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| 15:12.15 | bob2 | positrix: athena is old and terrible |
| 15:12.23 | toresbe | asg: It's a beautiful card house, but it tends to collapse now and then :P |
| 15:12.23 | Wyzard | positrix: Graphics APIs would be xlib, svgalib, DirectDraw, etc. |
| 15:12.32 | simonrvn | jim: sure, but i've tried configuring and configuring it, and i'm never happy |
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| 15:12.41 | Wyzard | positrix: If you want a toolkit, use GTK or QT |
| 15:12.41 | bob2 | positrix: glade is a nice way to do gtk (you use a gui designer to produce a xml description of the ui, which you load at runtime) |
| 15:12.42 | toresbe | positrix: Believe this or not, but ncurses is an excellent beginner's toolkit |
| 15:12.52 | bob2 | a nice way to keep gui andcode seperate |
| 15:12.53 | _ad_ | yo |
| 15:12.55 | asg | toresbe: again, I wasn't weened on Windows so it is alien to me; CLI is far more intuitive (to me). Again, it's a matter of perspective and history. |
| 15:13.03 | toresbe | asg: of course. |
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| 15:13.12 | HenkPoley | asg: humans are not user friendly too ;) |
| 15:13.15 | simonrvn | bob2: tweakable too, so it's intuitive |
| 15:13.20 | asg | HenkPoley: mrs asg is |
| 15:13.24 | toresbe | positrix: It has beautiful documentation, is an extremely well-established API, and is quite simple and prepares you for a lot of the graphics stuff |
| 15:13.36 | HenkPoley | asg: all the time? |
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| 15:13.39 | HenkPoley | ;-) |
| 15:13.41 | simonrvn | asg: me it was gui, but i've adapted to cli very easily |
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| 15:13.46 | asg | HenkPoley: yes, in my experience. |
| 15:13.47 | jim | simonrvn: also (as you know) the main feature of gnome is the underlying communication protocol between gnome apps (which has not been taken advantage of, at all) |
| 15:13.50 | tucoz | Hi, how do I find out what kernel version the different debian install versions use? |
| 15:14.07 | tucoz | Like, the current |
| 15:14.07 | HenkPoley | asg: I bet you don't know her long enough ;) |
| 15:14.08 | toresbe | jim: dbus? |
| 15:14.12 | simonrvn | jim: you mean bonobo? |
| 15:14.16 | asg | simonrvn: yes, the first GUI I ever experience was GEOS on a C64. A miserable experience that was. |
| 15:14.22 | asg | HenkPoley: 10 years |
| 15:14.24 | toresbe | asg: well, of course :P |
| 15:14.32 | toresbe | asg: GEOS sucked :P |
| 15:14.37 | liable | tucoz: theres only one official install. |
| 15:14.42 | asg | simonrvn: move the mouse over an icon (oh, need to swap disks to get the icon control code) |
| 15:14.46 | toresbe | asg: Well, it was an impressive fit in 64k, but |
| 15:14.49 | _ad_ | i need some advice regarding lynx: if i change the options and save them and restart lynx again it looks like i had never made any change to the settings |
| 15:14.51 | asg | toresbe: agreed |
| 15:15.02 | jim | not sure, but gnome has something that involves corba and which it uses to allow apps to communicate with each other |
| 15:15.02 | Whisky_ | liable: Still the GTK warning problem and now when yahoo is completely installed. typing "ymessenger" on the CLI says "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 15:15.06 | _ad_ | what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:15.16 | HenkPoley | _ad_ maybe the place it wants to write to is read-only? |
| 15:15.23 | simonrvn | asg: eh, that sucked :). me it was cli on a c64 - all that typing. then mock os, then cli on a dumb term, then mock os again, now linux |
| 15:15.26 | asg | simonrvn: actually, it was a joystick at the time since I didn't have money for a mouse. |
| 15:15.27 | tucoz | liable: ok, but what about the images found here? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050721/ |
| 15:15.27 | bob2 | Whisky_: don't run it as root |
| 15:15.29 | TheAsp | jim: thats used by bonobo and applets and stuff |
| 15:15.29 | HenkPoley | _ad_: look for something like ~/.lynx |
| 15:15.30 | liable | Whisky_: as user? |
| 15:15.32 | simonrvn | asg: oh my |
| 15:15.33 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 15:15.33 | bob2 | Whisky_: also, ls -ld ~/.ICEauthority |
| 15:15.43 | rosemary | someone gave me the hwinfo command to try, but it isn't working, have I copied it incorrectly? |
| 15:16.01 | toresbe | positrix: For learning, you really should start out with ncurses. |
| 15:16.01 | _ad_ | henkpoley: not really, it's my $HOME |
| 15:16.02 | jim | and gnome-aware wms... and gnome-aware anythings :) |
| 15:16.03 | Whisky_ | bob2: The same error even as a normal user. |
| 15:16.06 | asg | simonrvn: I've still never figured out the 'eject disk by dragging it to the trash can' Mac thing either. |
| 15:16.08 | Whisky_ | liable: Both as user and root |
| 15:16.20 | HenkPoley | rosemary: what do you want to use it for? |
| 15:16.21 | jim | but as far as I've seen, nothing's really come of it |
| 15:16.22 | bob2 | Whisky_: show my what ls printed |
| 15:16.30 | bob2 | curses is kinda shit to write for |
| 15:16.36 | bob2 | compared to how easy glade is |
| 15:16.51 | positrix | wtf is the difference between GTK and GTK2? |
| 15:16.54 | yam | I have an Adaptec SATA RAID 21610 card... want to use some of its features... mainly hotpluggind drivers... achievable under Debian? |
| 15:16.56 | asg | bob2: dialog is useful if your requrements are minimal though |
| 15:16.56 | Whisky_ | -rw------- 1 whisky whisky 199 Jul 23 17:42 /home/whisky/.ICEauthority |
| 15:17.04 | rosemary | HenkPoley, screen is not right, icons too big, and some windows don't fit on screen properly - I've been trying to fix it |
| 15:17.04 | Whisky_ | and as root: ls: /root/.ICEauthority: No such file or directory |
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| 15:17.16 | resiak | positrix: Could one be newer, perhaps? |
| 15:17.17 | liable | tucoz: thats the etch snapsot stuff, not an official installer, but prolly 2.6.11 I spose. |
| 15:17.20 | positrix | toresbe: i promise ill look into it |
| 15:17.29 | simonrvn | asg: that's one of the dumber bits' though in os x they turn it into an eject icon. when you highlight something that's unmountable, the eject hotkey lights up in the menu |
| 15:17.30 | toresbe | positrix: do that :) |
| 15:17.45 | jim | Whisky_: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 15:17.49 | asg | simonrvn: yeah. |
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| 15:18.17 | tucoz | liable: Thanks, that was what I wanted to know. I mean, if sarge fails I'll try and use a snapshot. |
| 15:18.21 | HenkPoley | rosemary: run as root apt-get install lspci |
| 15:18.25 | Wyzard | positrix: GTK2 is the current version, which has a cleaner API and supports things like text anti-aliasing and fully-internationalized text layout |
| 15:18.28 | HenkPoley | rosemary then: lspci |
| 15:18.29 | bob2 | positrix: gtk2 is a rewrite, with far better internationalisation, pluggable backends, etc |
| 15:18.35 | Whisky_ | jim: Run Yahoo Messenger. Everything is fine but it wont run now. Previously when i tried to run FireFox's installer, i got the same problem. It is related to the windows that open: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 15:18.40 | Wyzard | positrix: GTK1 is old... don't use it |
| 15:18.40 | bob2 | positrix: gtk1 is not maintained anymore, and you're strongly advised not to use it |
| 15:18.56 | simonrvn | positrix: gtk2 is unicode, so it very easily supports i18n |
| 15:18.58 | HenkPoley | rosemary: what does it say for "VGA compatible controller" ? |
| 15:19.01 | jim | Whisky_: how exactly are you trying to start it? |
| 15:19.02 | simonrvn | and l10n too |
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| 15:19.13 | Wyzard | Whisky_: If you're trying to run an X app from a shell prompt, you probably don't have DISPLAY set |
| 15:19.13 | liable | Whisky_: where did you get that from? whats it called? |
| 15:19.20 | Andares | Ahaha! I'm not root anymore so I can talk! |
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| 15:19.31 | Whisky_ | liable: Yahoo Messenger from messenger.yahoo.com |
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| 15:19.38 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: Where can I set the "display" ? |
| 15:19.46 | Wyzard | Whisky_: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 15:19.48 | jim | Whisky_: how exactly are you trying to start it? |
| 15:20.07 | Whisky_ | jim: "ymessenger" in CLI |
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| 15:20.16 | spiderworm | hi all i had a problem when trying to update my system, it updated postgresql from 7.2 to 7.4.7, it installed fine but when it had some problems during the configuration, i manually got the new postgresql all configured correctly but apt-get says i still need to configure it, which if i try to do it will break my configuration |
| 15:20.21 | Wyzard | Whisky_: It's set automatically for programs started within an X session, but outside an X session, you have to specify what X session you want the app to connect to |
| 15:20.29 | liable | Whisky_: right, dunno then. check there faq. |
| 15:20.32 | spiderworm | how do i tell apt that i've already configured that package? |
| 15:20.33 | HenkPoley | Whisky_: on a commandline (for example): export $DISPLAY=:0 |
| 15:20.36 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:20.37 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 15:20.39 | jim | Whisky_: ok. go to the CLI, the SAME ONE you tried to run that in, and type: whoami |
| 15:21.03 | Whisky_ | jim: root |
| 15:21.09 | Arafangion | jim: Most people call that the shall, or bash prompt, or... |
| 15:21.12 | smoke | EXECThe system cannot find the file specified. |
| 15:21.14 | liable | Whisky_: you installed/compiled it as root? |
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| 15:21.19 | jim | why are you trying to run yahoo as root? |
| 15:21.23 | Whisky_ | liable: Yup. |
| 15:21.32 | Whisky_ | jim: Same goes for normal users... |
| 15:21.42 | Arafangion | jim: Not CLI, which typically means "Command Line Interface", or most new windows dudes "Common Language Runtime that might include binary machine code". |
| 15:21.51 | Wyzard | Whisky_: Run it as your normal user, with DISPLAY set properly, and it'll work |
| 15:22.17 | jim | Arafangion: I know. had you noticed that the communication was successful? |
| 15:22.25 | Whisky_ | hey, it worked :/ |
| 15:22.27 | TyreseJones | Hey everyone! I havn't been in here for months - I see Bob2 is still here! |
| 15:22.57 | jim | TyreseJones: he never left... or ate... or slept... |
| 15:23.02 | Arafangion | jim: Yes, but it can result in confusion later. |
| 15:23.11 | bob2 | hah |
| 15:23.27 | _ad_ | henkpoley: i don't habe that file, i guess you pointed me to the cause, thx |
| 15:23.35 | _ad_ | habe=have |
| 15:23.37 | TyreseJones | jim: I can imagine! |
| 15:23.46 | TyreseJones | Guys, I have a question |
| 15:23.53 | jim | Arafangion: that would be addressed at a later point |
| 15:23.59 | jim | if it needs to be |
| 15:24.06 | jim | if I had a question... |
| 15:24.12 | jim | would I question in the morning? |
| 15:24.37 | jim | TyreseJones: do you have a question? |
| 15:24.45 | smoke | can i ask a question? |
| 15:24.48 | travolta | i have 1 /boot partition, and 1 / partition and a empty partition, i can install two differetn gnu/linux os's ? |
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| 15:24.52 | jim | you just did! |
| 15:24.55 | liable | smoke: mo |
| 15:24.58 | TyreseJones | I have a firewall, *debian based naturally* which uses the alcatel speedtouch *frog* adsl modem - I also have a wireless router, which needs to be plugged straight into an ethernet modem - is there anyway, that I can add a second NIC, and make my wireless router think that it's connected to a modem? |
| 15:25.24 | smoke | i did anyway. hahaha |
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| 15:25.44 | Whisky_ | ermm...Why cant user "whisky" do dpkg -i package.deb ? |
| 15:25.45 | jim | modem? why? |
| 15:26.04 | spiderworm | i have apt-get complaining that i need to configure a package before continuing, apt-get fails on configuring so i had to configure it manually, now apt-get says my package still isnt configured, how do i tell it that the package is configured? |
| 15:26.08 | jim | Whisky_: because whisky cannot write to the system dirs |
| 15:26.08 | drac | Whisky_: Because user "whisky" is not root? |
| 15:26.15 | positrix | Whisky_: you need to be root to use dpkg |
| 15:26.16 | Whisky_ | :O =p |
| 15:26.22 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: You could bridge the two NICs together on the firewall machine, but that'd prevent you from doing any effective firewalling |
| 15:26.39 | smoke | w00t konqueror looks sexy under windows |
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| 15:26.56 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: Better to turn off the wireless appliance's built-in DHCP server and just use it as an access point and not a router... use the Linux box as the router |
| 15:27.16 | positrix | smoke: why did i feel a disturbing chill when i heard that? |
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| 15:27.25 | jim | Whisky_: but taking that from the other side, your user can't do certain things in order to protect your system so you don't have to worry about destroying it just because here you are trying to write a program or somethign |
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| 15:27.42 | smoke | posi: well its not _really_ running under windows, just the output |
| 15:27.59 | TyreseJones | Wyzard, that's what I want to do, but no matter what type of cable i plug into it, it refuses to do so. I've used crossover cables, normal cables, plugged it directly onto a hub, no joy |
| 15:28.08 | Whisky_ | kl |
| 15:28.15 | jim | mn |
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| 15:28.20 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: Please define "refuses to do so" |
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| 15:28.44 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: Just turn off its DHCP and plug one of its LAN ports (not WAN port) into your network |
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| 15:29.09 | Whisky_ | crap. "Segmentation fault" |
| 15:29.16 | smoke | i think im gonna make a screenshot of me visting microsoft.com in konqueror on a windows desktop |
| 15:29.41 | spiderworm | konqueror on windows??? |
| 15:30.01 | Wyzard | spiderworm: Remote X, most likely |
| 15:30.17 | jim | maybe using cygwin xfree86 |
| 15:30.18 | spiderworm | ah... that makes sense |
| 15:30.29 | smoke | colinxu actually |
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| 15:30.41 | smoke | s/colinxu/colinux/ |
| 15:30.49 | sorush20 | guys how do I erase a cd from command line... |
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| 15:30.59 | bob2 | sorush20: dude |
| 15:31.06 | bob2 | sorush20: Debian != Ubuntu |
| 15:31.10 | liable | screw you guys |
| 15:31.11 | bob2 | also, you were told how to erase it |
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| 15:31.15 | TyreseJones | Wyzard, *ahh....* good call.... hmm.... how can i though? I can't get past any of the configuration scripts |
| 15:31.23 | dvs | liable: you going home? |
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| 15:31.30 | ulisses | hi all |
| 15:32.13 | liable | dvs: yes, taking my bat too. :) |
| 15:32.13 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: Make sure you turn off its DHCP server, or it'll configure all the computers on your network to use itself as their router, which won't work since it's not connected to an external network |
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| 15:32.20 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: Run a DHCP server on your Linux box instead :-) |
| 15:32.45 | spiderworm | i have apt-get complaining that i need to configure a package before continuing, apt-get fails on configuring so i had to configure it manually, now apt-get says my package still isnt configured, how do i tell it that the package is configured? |
| 15:32.53 | dabaR | sorush20: you using ubuntu? |
| 15:33.14 | asg | spiderworm: did you try apt-get -f install |
| 15:33.26 | bob2 | spiderworm: so, paste the entire error to #flood |
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| 15:33.59 | TyreseJones | Wyzard, I got ta whole network already set, with DHCP, DNS, 2003 domain, samba domains, email server... *yeah, i;m proud of my network!!* It's the stupid little wireless router! |
| 15:34.07 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: ah, ok :-) |
| 15:34.12 | spiderworm | no i did not asg, does that force or fix? |
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| 15:34.33 | asg | spiderworm: it is generally suggested if breakage happens. If that doesn't work, you will have to manually fix the problem. |
| 15:35.19 | tractor | karma |
| 15:35.20 | spiderworm | asg yah its going to try to configure again and its going to break |
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| 15:35.33 | spiderworm | asg: so how do i manually fix it? |
| 15:35.33 | asg | spiderworm: then I'd paste the error in #flood as bob2 suggested |
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| 15:35.59 | smoke | muhahahahaha http://www.freewebtown.com/tjgillies/konqwin.bmp |
| 15:36.08 | asg | !tell MacNorth about waway |
| 15:36.12 | asg | bah |
| 15:36.18 | asg | !tell MacNorth about away |
| 15:36.36 | Wyzard | spiderworm: Assuming it's the package's postinst script that's failing, fix it so the script doesn't fail |
| 15:36.37 | dvs | What's waway? An airline? |
| 15:36.50 | Wyzard | spiderworm: If you've already investigated the problem and found the solution, that shouldn't be too difficult |
| 15:37.06 | asg | dvs: dyslexic fat-fingering |
| 15:37.12 | tractor | ok trying it again with apt-get install x-window-system this is putting xorg and company back in the mix and it's probably broke :) |
| 15:37.16 | positrix | dvs: waway is a typo (i cant believe i dignified that question with an answer) |
| 15:37.31 | Wyzard | tractor: I'm running xorg (in sid) and it's working fine for me |
| 15:37.34 | dvs | positrix: I should have added a ";-)" |
| 15:37.45 | yam | yam · how hot swap for sata drives is managed in Debian? |
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| 15:37.46 | tractor | rosemary: any luck? |
| 15:38.01 | tractor | Wyzard: what video card you got? |
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| 15:38.11 | spiderworm | bob2 and asg the error happens when trying to configure postgresql 7.4.7 because its upgrading from 7.2 and it is trying to bring the data over, but there are syntax differences from 7.2 to 7.4.7 so it fails, i fixed the differences manually in copies of the dumps i have |
| 15:38.20 | Wyzard | tractor: nvidia, using their binary-only driver |
| 15:38.51 | spiderworm | bob2 and asg so if theres a text file somewhere for apt or dpkg and i can tell it that postgres is now configured correctly i can get on with my life |
| 15:39.08 | tractor | Wyzard: ah kewl.. my card (s3) is reportedly unsupported :( |
| 15:39.17 | shali | Hey, I want to know how to use scp to copy a file from a linux box to a windows system. I mean that just with command line and not with the winscp or something like that |
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| 15:39.39 | tractor | but maybe I can get *some* results with vesa or vga xserver |
| 15:39.42 | resiak | shali: scp user@host:filename . |
| 15:39.42 | spiderworm | shali: i doubt windows has that functionality built in... |
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| 15:39.45 | asg | shali: from the windows system, type: scp me@linux:/path/to/file . |
| 15:39.54 | spiderworm | nm then |
| 15:40.08 | Wyzard | spiderworm: You could edit the postinst script so that it loads your fixed dumpfile rather than dumping again, and then "dpkg --configure --pending" |
| 15:40.13 | asg | shali: or pscp (if you are using putty) |
| 15:40.13 | Whisky_ | smoke: It's being perfectly displayed :/ |
| 15:40.17 | iostream | Hi. Regarding user mode linux: I have installed uml-utilities, compiled a kernel with ARCH=um, and downloaded a prebuild image. But when I run ./linux it forks to background and just sits there. ps aux shows: ./linux [(idle thread)] What to do? |
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| 15:40.39 | shali | ok, let me try. How can I just leave irc for a while? |
| 15:40.44 | spiderworm | Wyzard: do you know where i would find the postinst script? |
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| 15:40.50 | rilat | hi there |
| 15:41.01 | Wyzard | spiderworm: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
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| 15:41.13 | asg | shali: Ctrl+D (if you are using screen). /quit if you aren't; just reconnect and re-join later |
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| 15:41.16 | dan2_ | asg: yo yo yo |
| 15:41.28 | asg | shali: Ctrl+A+d rather |
| 15:41.29 | asg | dan2_: morning |
| 15:41.32 | positrix | shali: Ctrl+Z? |
| 15:42.10 | ulisses | hello all again |
| 15:42.12 | rilat | When I do a "make menuconfig" at /usr/src/linux with a just decompressed new sources, where does the default .config come from? |
| 15:42.15 | ulisses | anybody using utf-8 ? |
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| 15:42.41 | Wyzard | rilat: Some set of built-in defaults, I believe |
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| 15:42.56 | jim | rilat: it makes one for you... but when I do this, I usually do make mrproper first |
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| 15:43.25 | jim | rilat: do you have another kernel, perhaps one a little older you want to get defaults from? |
| 15:43.29 | Wyzard | rilat: If your current kernel was built with make-kpkg (such as if it's a Debian kernel package, or you built it yourself using that tool), you can find its config file in /boot |
| 15:43.49 | rilat | jim: what does make mrproper does in that sense? |
| 15:44.03 | jim | strongest clean. |
| 15:44.05 | bob2 | spiderworm: you're missing the point |
| 15:44.11 | hvega | alguien podria explicarme como instalr un escane |
| 15:44.12 | stew | rilat: make mrproper is make "really clean" |
| 15:44.13 | gentgeen__ | how do I reconfigure the console for dvorak by default? |
| 15:44.23 | rilat | Wyzard, yeah I kwon that, do you suggest that maybe it is using that .config file? |
| 15:44.25 | spiderworm | Wyzard: could i also just remove the postinst script altogether? |
| 15:44.27 | jim | erases everything, including .config |
| 15:44.39 | jim | not the source or makefiles tho |
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| 15:44.50 | spiderworm | bob2 thanx for the help, what do you suggest? |
| 15:44.53 | Wyzard | spiderworm: I suppose, but it's generally best to follow a "minimal change" policy with that sort of thing |
| 15:45.00 | dabaR | hvega: what language is that? |
| 15:45.10 | hvega | knoppix |
| 15:45.18 | rilat | jim: yes but after decompressing I checked with ls command if .config existed and it didn't... |
| 15:45.19 | stew | !es |
| 15:45.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:45.20 | Wyzard | rilat: No, it doesn't load that config from /boot automatically |
| 15:45.25 | rob_lt | Hello. I've got mozilla-firefox and flashplugin-nonfree installed, but for alot of sites with flash, the text doesn't appear. Any suggestions? |
| 15:45.42 | jim | rilat: what version is the kernel you are running now? |
| 15:45.44 | hvega | but in dont cant install file sane |
| 15:46.12 | rilat | jim: a debina precompiled one: kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 15:46.15 | hvega | im download sane.backend |
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| 15:46.38 | jim | rilat: ok, what exactly does uname -r say? |
| 15:47.01 | rilat | Wyzard, ok it doesn't, but maybe it uses /proc/config facility..... |
| 15:47.04 | hvega | do you can help me dabal |
| 15:47.15 | Wyzard | rilat: I don't think it does |
| 15:47.26 | rilat | jim: 2.6.8-2-k7 it sais |
| 15:47.40 | jim | ok, and what kernel are you trying to compile? |
| 15:47.41 | fpmc | I fixed the problem........... turns out the script cannot be named with a '.' in it. Apparently mkinitrd runs run-parts, and run-parts does not like file names that has a "."...... ARGGGGGG |
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| 15:48.10 | rilat | Wyzard: ok, but it has to come from somewhere else... |
| 15:48.14 | Wyzard | hvega: Your English is difficult to understand |
| 15:48.16 | fpmc | jim: so thank you for making me go through source of mkinitrd .... :( |
| 15:48.23 | Wyzard | hvega: You should ask in a channel for your native language |
| 15:48.25 | rilat | jim: 2.6.12-3 |
| 15:48.37 | jim | fpmc: didja learn anything useful? :) |
| 15:48.41 | Wyzard | rilat: It's just some built-in set of defaults afaik |
| 15:48.46 | scyrma | hvega, I half understand that you want to install a scanner, is that it? |
| 15:49.02 | bob2 | spiderworm: I suggest pasting the output from dpkg to #flood |
| 15:49.06 | jim | rilat: would you like to start with defaults like from your current kernel? |
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| 15:49.09 | fpmc | jim: of course....... I now suspect a bug in my run-parts program, because its manual says once again that it would except files with dots in it |
| 15:49.18 | rilat | Wyzard: aha |
| 15:49.25 | fpmc | jim: but I got this wokring, so nevermind that............ things are so weird |
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| 15:49.39 | rilat | jim: I guess it would be a good starting point... |
| 15:49.39 | jim | fpmc: yes, that part is for sure |
| 15:50.11 | jim | rilat: ok, here is how you do that... |
| 15:50.19 | dan2_ | hvega: Su ingles es no bueno |
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| 15:50.23 | jim | first, where is your source dir? |
| 15:50.26 | rilat | jim: at the moment I just want to enable my atheros wifi card.... |
| 15:50.35 | tractor | well somethings happening at least this time :) |
| 15:50.39 | jim | is it /usr/src/linux? |
| 15:50.44 | tractor | X burp |
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| 15:50.50 | Wyzard | rilat: I don't think there's an Atheros driver in the kernel |
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| 15:50.55 | Wyzard | rilat: You'll need either madwifi or ndiswrapper |
| 15:51.09 | Wyzard | rilat: Both are third-party modules; you don't need to recompile the kernel |
| 15:51.12 | rilat | jim: at /usr/src/linux-2.6.12.3 and a symlink pointing to it |
| 15:51.27 | jim | Wyzard: either of those kernel modules? |
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| 15:51.37 | rilat | Wyzard: it isn't, I cought it from abroad... |
| 15:51.58 | Wyzard | rilat: It isn't what? |
| 15:52.08 | rilat | Wyzard: yes, madwifi; I have already compiled it before |
| 15:52.39 | tractor | X puke lol :D |
| 15:52.40 | Wyzard | rilat: I'm confused then... why are you trying to compile a custom kernel (which doesn't contain any Atheros stuff anyway) if you know how to set up madwifi? |
| 15:52.42 | rilat | Wyzard: what you've said: no support for atheros base cards in the kernel |
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| 15:52.51 | tractor | debian sucks |
| 15:53.06 | joel_ | yea |
| 15:53.09 | joel_ | debian is sheit |
| 15:53.13 | Wyzard | tractor: If you don't like it, don't use it. Most of us here don't think it sucks though. |
| 15:53.18 | fumbalah | how do I get the applications that are open to show down at the bottom in kde |
| 15:53.25 | rilat | Wyzard: I've to enable some kernel options before compiling the madwifi driver... |
| 15:53.27 | simonrvn | oh lookie at the winbloze trolls |
| 15:53.32 | dqq | debian is the best |
| 15:53.32 | Wyzard | tractor: /join #slackware |
| 15:53.35 | dqq | fuck off the |
| 15:53.35 | dqq | resT |
| 15:53.36 | dqq | :) |
| 15:53.43 | tractor | Hey I like the debian pjhilosophy .. just can't get the derned thing to work |
| 15:53.45 | Ford-Prefect | oh how I love it when new linux users want to starta distfight |
| 15:53.45 | Randall64 | bsd trolls |
| 15:53.46 | rilat | Wyzard that's why I am trying to recompile it... |
| 15:53.47 | Wyzard | rilat: What options? |
| 15:54.02 | rilat | Wy PCCARD and so on... |
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| 15:54.20 | Wyzard | rilat: That stuff should already be enabled in the precompiled kernel package |
| 15:54.28 | rilat | Wyzard: and the 32-bit CarBus support... |
| 15:54.29 | jim | rilat: he's saying you might not have to |
| 15:54.31 | Ford-Prefect | so, I have a wee problem, same as before actually, I am short of some commands :/ |
| 15:54.32 | tractor | and the debian community is a swell bunch of folk :) |
| 15:54.43 | Wyzard | rilat: Debian's precompiled kernel-image packages have most drivers enabled already |
| 15:54.49 | rilat | Wyzard: I didn't know it.... |
| 15:54.50 | Wyzard | rilat: including CardBus support |
| 15:55.22 | rilat | Wyzard and jim: ok then, I'll try to compile the external driver driectly |
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| 15:55.43 | jim | it's possible you might not have to compile anything... |
| 15:55.44 | Wyzard | rilat: If you're currently using a precompiled kernel from kernel-image-2.6-686, install kernel-headers-2.6-686 |
| 15:55.49 | jim | but that remains to be seen |
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| 15:56.05 | Wyzard | rilat: That'll give you the headers you need to compile external modules for your current kernel |
| 15:56.14 | jim | Wyzard, k7 |
| 15:56.20 | rilat | Wyzard: but, When I did make menuconfig at the new sources root dir, that options weren't selected... |
| 15:56.22 | Wyzard | jim: kernel-headers-2.6-k7 then |
| 15:56.35 | Wyzard | rilat: sorry, kernel-headers-2.6-k7 |
| 15:56.49 | rilat | Wyzard: okay, I'll follow your instructions, then... |
| 15:56.53 | Ford-Prefect | where could I find what pckage that contained what command |
| 15:57.02 | Ford-Prefect | I am short of make-kpkg |
| 15:57.09 | jim | kernel-package |
| 15:57.17 | Wyzard | rilat: That's because you were looking at using the kernel source tree's default configuration, not the configuration used to build the kernel you're currently running |
| 15:57.18 | rilat | Wyzard and jim: in five minutes back with results, thanks for your time.... |
| 15:58.04 | rilat | Wyzard: I copyed the /boot/config file to the sources root |
| 15:58.12 | jim | make xconfig would show you the disabled choices |
| 15:58.29 | rilat | Wyzard : anyway... let's try ur advise... |
| 15:59.01 | hvega | yes |
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| 15:59.25 | hvega | my englis is fatal |
| 15:59.39 | hvega | but undertand your english |
| 15:59.52 | tractor | HEY! I have a bit of X! raster and the mouse works! progress! |
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| 16:00.13 | jim | tractor: you have all of x server then... |
| 16:00.27 | Wyzard | hvega: But it's difficult for people here to help you if they can't understand what you're saying |
| 16:00.29 | hvega | my problen is whit dont cant install files taz.gz2 |
| 16:00.35 | tractor | now if I can get fluxbox to work :) |
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| 16:01.17 | hvega | wyzard do you can explicate me how install file sane |
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| 16:01.26 | jim | hvega: mostly, you'd have to learn how to do that yourself |
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| 16:01.41 | rilat | Wyzard is it possible that the kernel headers are not platform dependant... I say this because I can't find the package of amd k7 headers for 2.6 kernel versions.... |
| 16:01.43 | Spods | hi all, im trying to get ip aliasing working with the stable stock kernel, but the ip_alias.o module doesn't seem to be present, whats the best way for me to get the module compiled - roll my own or other? |
| 16:01.44 | Wyzard | hvega: No, because I don't understand what you're trying to do, or what problem you're having |
| 16:02.09 | hvega | im type apt-get install sane but install my scanner |
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| 16:02.15 | rilat | Wyzard: would kernel-image-2.6-k7 be ok? |
| 16:02.18 | hvega | bot dot install |
| 16:02.21 | darth | hello i am new to debian, can i ask some basic questions about configuration? |
| 16:02.37 | rilat | Wyzard: sorry, forget the last line |
| 16:02.37 | jim | rilat: you have that installed already |
| 16:02.39 | Wyzard | rilat: kernel-image-2.6-k7 is what you're probably currently running |
| 16:02.52 | Wyzard | rilat: kernel-headers-2.6-k7 is the corresponding headers for building external modules |
| 16:02.56 | rilat | Wyzard: yeah, I made a mistake... |
| 16:03.15 | rilat | Wyzard: that package does not exist... |
| 16:03.32 | jim | rilat: what you need is kernel-headers because you're trying to compile something that needs them |
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| 16:03.58 | Wyzard | rilat: According to packages.debian.org it does, in all of stable, testing, and unstable |
| 16:04.03 | Wyzard | rilat: typo? |
| 16:04.07 | Teufel | I have a file on my server that appears blank when I download it but it is still functioning like it has code when you go to it in a browser, even with refresh. WTF? |
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| 16:04.33 | dvs | Teufel: clear your cache |
| 16:04.33 | ph00 | hybrid_goth : pretty good, except that I have all these instances of gpg-agent running and I don't know hwat's starting them all, or how I can kepp from having 8 or 10 of them running at once |
| 16:04.38 | rilat | Wyzard I'm using a DVD from a magazine... |
| 16:04.52 | Wyzard | rilat: Is it a sarge release DVD? |
| 16:05.02 | Wyzard | rilat: and are there two discs? |
| 16:05.14 | rilat | Wyzard I do not have access to internet.... so I have to use the dvd |
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| 16:05.18 | ph00 | so, anyone have similar experience witrh gpg-agent? |
| 16:05.26 | Teufel | dvs: I'm using core ftp, don't see a clear anywhere... |
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| 16:05.27 | rilat | Wyzard: just one... |
| 16:05.27 | Wyzard | rilat: You're accessing the Internet right now :-P |
| 16:05.39 | jim | rilat: out of curiousity, how are you here on this irc channel? |
| 16:05.39 | Wyzard | rilat: OK... that package is probably on the second disc, which you don't have |
| 16:05.45 | rilat | Wyzard: yes but using my mac.... |
| 16:05.50 | Wyzard | rilat: You don't have all of sarge |
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| 16:06.09 | rilat | jim: ssh from a PowerBook to a linux box... |
| 16:06.28 | Wyzard | rilat: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/kernel-headers-2.6-k7 |
| 16:06.32 | rilat | Wyzard what can I do to get the headers package... |
| 16:06.38 | rilat | Wyzard: ah... |
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| 16:06.51 | Wyzard | rilat: Grab that and its dependency, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7... download the .deb files and install them manually |
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| 16:06.59 | rilat | Wyzard and I install it locally... |
| 16:07.00 | jim | rilat: does the machine you're trying to install on have wired ethernet? |
| 16:07.02 | TyreseJones | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.02 | TyreseJones | WOAH - THAT was a mistake!!! |
| 16:07.17 | Wyzard | rilat: You might want to set up a router on your LAN, btw :-) |
| 16:07.31 | rilat | jim: it unfortunately doesn't |
| 16:07.45 | Wyzard | ah... so that's why you don't have Internet access on it yet |
| 16:08.10 | rilat | Wyzard: my access point just has one input RJ45 jack |
| 16:08.15 | jim | how can you get things to/from it? got a floppy drive? |
| 16:08.31 | rilat | jim: sorry?+ |
| 16:08.35 | jim | rilat: probably you need a hub |
| 16:08.36 | tractor | hmm I run dpkg-recongigure fluxbox and nothing seems to happen. It just goes back to a command prompt and fluxbox can connect to the Xserver. hmmm |
| 16:08.44 | Wyzard | rilat: It's good to have a wired card handy for troubleshooting and recovery purposes... I get a 3c575 (CardBus) on ebay for around $15 |
| 16:08.51 | tractor | can/can't |
| 16:09.04 | TyreseJones | Wyzard, well that killed my entire network! |
| 16:09.05 | Wyzard | tractor: How are you running fluxbox? |
| 16:09.17 | rilat | jim: I can't use a hub, because mu AP does not permit wired connections... |
| 16:09.25 | tractor | Oh wait i guess I need to run fluxconf |
| 16:09.28 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: What did, plugging in the router? |
| 16:09.38 | tractor | it hasn't run yet Wyzard |
| 16:09.50 | Wyzard | TyreseJones: If you didn't turn off its DHCP server, it would start serving non-functional DHCP leases to clients |
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| 16:10.04 | jim | rilat: you could set up a wired net in your room there |
| 16:10.15 | rilat | Wyzard: yes, I know it is a good practice...but that's the way that my Lan is set up at home... |
| 16:10.18 | jim | and have the access point be on that net |
| 16:10.37 | squeeb | hello |
| 16:10.56 | squeeb | I have a small problem that could probably be easily fixed. |
| 16:10.59 | Wyzard | rilat: For future use, I'd suggest getting a switch so you have more than one LAN port, and a spare wired card for your laptop... but for now, just download the debs manually |
| 16:11.03 | tractor | when running fluxconf, I get "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 16:11.05 | rilat | jim: yes, but it'd implies a gateway... |
| 16:11.06 | squeeb | basically I've mucked up some mail server settings. |
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| 16:11.18 | squeeb | Can someone give me the details for the "Debian-exim" user |
| 16:11.25 | squeeb | Like, what groups it's in |
| 16:11.27 | Wyzard | tractor: I'll bet you're either trying to run it as root, or trying to run it from a console outside your X session |
| 16:11.28 | jim | rilat: -yes-, which you could very much uise |
| 16:11.32 | squeeb | and what are the correct permissions of /var/mail |
| 16:11.33 | rilat | Wyzard ok.. Immediately. thanks again |
| 16:11.37 | squeeb | and /var/spool/mail |
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| 16:11.40 | squeeb | and /var/spool/exim |
| 16:11.43 | tractor | but when I run startx, I get a nice raster and a working mouse |
| 16:11.45 | squeeb | if anyone could help that would be cool |
| 16:11.49 | rilat | jim: to difficult for me jajajja |
| 16:11.52 | tractor | ah I need to run as normal user? |
| 16:11.53 | tractor | OK |
| 16:12.22 | dabaR | ok, I have a dvd with some packages, so I want to install from there, my cdrom is hdc, my dvd is hdd, my sources.list entry for a cd strats with deb cdrom:... How do I moduify that so its my dvd entry? |
| 16:12.28 | gnd | I was trying to recompile the kernel for the second time doing it the debian way and I got an error that debian/changelog had a different version? I tried removing the file and I still get some errors |
| 16:12.42 | jim | tractor: by default, you can't run the x server as one user and then run apps that display on it as another |
| 16:12.52 | gnd | do I have to remove the whole debian dir? I noticed it's not in the kernel source pacjage |
| 16:12.55 | Wyzard | dabaR: Use apt-cdrom to scan the DVD, which will add a new "cdrom:" entry to your sources.list |
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| 16:13.28 | dabaR | aha, so apt-cdrom, and it scans. ok. |
| 16:13.31 | TyreseJones | Wyzard, That's exactly what it did! I'm going to put it on it's own physical network, and try configure it that way |
| 16:13.31 | Wyzard | gnd: make-kpkg clean |
| 16:13.46 | gnd | ah ok, thanks Wyzard |
| 16:13.53 | dogmeat | which do ppl use for debian servers for best disk i/o performance, RAID 0 or ? |
| 16:15.05 | rilat | Wyzard: any way to buy the dvds from "debian", not throught magazines? |
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| 16:15.26 | omry_ | I got two machines behine a nat. and I watch to ssh into both. so I set port forwarding on the nat. 22 to the first, 23 to the second. problem is, ssh cry that remote host identification has changed when I connect to the second machine. deleting the relevant entries from ~/.ssh/known_hosts fix it temporarily. any idea for a better fix? |
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| 16:17.03 | Whisky_ | how do i run a .bz2 file :| |
| 16:18.12 | stew | !bz2 |
| 16:18.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bz2 is the extension used for file created by bzip2, a program like gzip that gives better compression(particularly on text files) but takes much more memory to run (see bzip2), or only now extracted via tar using the -j switch instead of the -I switch in earlier versions |
| 16:18.18 | Wyzard | rilat: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 16:18.42 | Wyzard | rilat: Debian itself does not manufacture CDs, but there are plenty of vendors which distribute CDs made from Debian's official isos |
| 16:18.47 | stew | Whisky_: man bzip2 ; or use the j switch with tar |
| 16:19.00 | Whisky_ | k thanx |
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| 16:19.26 | stew | Whisky_: or install and use unp |
| 16:19.35 | TyreseJones | omry_ I have the same problem - but what I do when i'm outside my network, is SSH into one machine, and then from there, SSH into any of the other machines - that way, if I expand my internal network there is no need for me to do any reconfiguring |
| 16:19.40 | Wyzard | rilat: Or you could just download the CD images on another computer and burn them yourself |
| 16:20.23 | tractor | hmmm when running fluxconf as a normal user I get "Warning: Failed to open file(/usr/share/fluxbox/nls/en_US/fluxbox.cat) for translation, using default messages. Error: Couldn't connect to XServer" |
| 16:20.32 | Wyzard | omry: Follow TyreseJones' advice, or set up OpenVPN so you can connect from "within" your network and use the internal IP of the machine you want to connect to |
| 16:20.35 | omry_ | TyreseJones, I can do that. problem is that ssh is used for other things as well (rsync, scp etc), this is really a pain. |
| 16:20.45 | rilat | Wyzard, ok |
| 16:20.49 | stew | dpkg: bz2 =~ s#(see bzip2), or only now extracted via tar using the -j switch instead of the -I switch in earlier versions#see <bzip2>. or use the j switch to tar, or install and use unp (ask me about <unp>)# |
| 16:20.50 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 16:20.54 | dabaR | Wyzard: its not really working...is it apt-cdrom add /dev/hdd if hdd is the dvd? |
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| 16:21.35 | rilat | Wyzard, now the question: how do I install a package that I just have the .deb file? |
| 16:21.39 | TyreseJones | omry_ OH I see your point? Hmm... i would still suggest doing it the way i did before. It's better to have te smallest number of machines as possible communicating with the outside world |
| 16:21.48 | Wyzard | dabaR: no, you have to mount the CD, and point apt-cdrom at the directory where it's mounted |
| 16:21.53 | Wyzard | rilat: dpkg -i <foo>.deb |
| 16:21.57 | TyreseJones | omry_ Or use OpenVPN as Wyzard suggested |
| 16:22.05 | rilat | Wyzard that easy? |
| 16:22.10 | rilat | a... |
| 16:22.10 | Wyzard | yep |
| 16:22.13 | dabaR | ok wyzard, thanks. |
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| 16:22.35 | Wyzard | dabaR: "man apt-cdrom" for the right command syntax |
| 16:22.43 | sciboy | I have alot of files which i want each in their own zip file, how would i do this in an efficient manner? |
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| 16:23.31 | HipHob | hmm i'm trying to use ndiswrapper for my broadcom wireless card :-S , however, once i've loaded the .inf file and such, and i do a modprobe ndiswrapper, it's saying it can't locate module ndiswrapper |
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| 16:24.03 | Wyzard | sciboy: If you want to automate the process of zipping them all, you need to first come up with some sort of shell command which will produce the desired zipfile name given the input file's name |
| 16:24.03 | dan2_ | HipHob: are you sure your broadcom chip isn't natively supported? |
| 16:24.17 | HipHob | there are no drivers for broadcom chips |
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| 16:24.23 | HipHob | supported by linux |
| 16:24.24 | dan2_ | HipHob: you are wrong |
| 16:24.33 | Wyzard | HipHob: Did you build the ndiswrapper kernel module? |
| 16:24.39 | HipHob | hmm i've read several threads, all say the same thing |
| 16:24.39 | sciboy | Wyzard: So, zip doesn't have anything available for that just yet... |
| 16:24.53 | HipHob | which would mean either a) they're outdated or b) they're wrong |
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| 16:25.21 | ixion | <Wyzard> HipHob: Did you build the ndiswrapper kernel module? |
| 16:25.23 | omry_ | TyreseJones well, I have a little work around, which is kind'a sucky: I use a different host name to connect each machine. so machine one is host1:22, and machine two is host2:23, and ofcousre host1 and host2 have the same IP. this way ssh just warn that something is wrong, but will connect if you type 'yes'. about open vpn, maybe I`ll try it. although its complicating the setup needed to connect from a random machine to mine. |
| 16:25.25 | Wyzard | sciboy: This is before the stage of running zip... this is just figuring out what filename you'd like to tell zip to write into |
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| 16:26.09 | Whisky_ | any easy way of installing Xchat on Debian ? |
| 16:26.12 | sciboy | Wyzard: I want to upload a bunch of adventure games onto my palm pilot, and in order to save space i only want to have to extract one file before i play it. |
| 16:26.14 | HipHob | i just used the ndiswrapper-modules package |
| 16:26.33 | Wyzard | Whisky_: apt-get install xchat |
| 16:26.47 | Wyzard | sciboy: Sounds like a reasonable idea to me |
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| 16:26.53 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 16:26.58 | Wyzard | sciboy: Do all the files have names ending in the same extension? |
| 16:26.58 | squeeb | anybody any Idea why bincimap doesn't pick up mail from /var/mail any more? |
| 16:26.59 | HipHob | dan2_: do you know where i can get broadcom chipset modules from? |
| 16:27.04 | omry_ | Whisky_ or use a gui tool like synaptic. |
| 16:27.07 | sciboy | Wyzard: Yes. |
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| 16:27.27 | Wyzard | sciboy: What's the extension? |
| 16:27.31 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: Im using Disc1 of Sarge to install. gave some references in sources.list, just slows down my internet (dialup) and then hangs in the middle saying time out and stuff. |
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| 16:27.50 | Jacky^ | i'm tryng to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, at the end the file XF86Config-4 does not created, anyone know ? |
| 16:27.50 | sciboy | Wyzard: pdb -> zip -> pz |
| 16:28.15 | Wyzard | Whisky_: your dialup is so slow that apt times out while trying to download packages? |
| 16:28.25 | squeeb | anybody any Idea why bincimap doesn't pick up mail from /var/mail any more? |
| 16:28.27 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: While trying to apt-get update :S |
| 16:28.30 | Wyzard | sciboy: OK, so input files are .pdb, output zipfiles are .pz |
| 16:28.58 | sciboy | Wyzard: They first get outputted as .zip then a program i have converts it to pz for palm. |
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| 16:29.10 | Wyzard | sciboy: ah, ok |
| 16:29.34 | stew | Jacky^: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 16:29.37 | sciboy | Wyzard: I'm trying just uploading them as one file, but i dunno what capabilities pz has. |
| 16:29.53 | stew | Jacky^: and /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 16:30.07 | HipHob | hmm anybody here any idea how i can get modprobe to pick up ndiswrapper module, i've tried depmod -a and modrpobe ndiswrapper again but no luck |
| 16:30.08 | Jacky^ | stew: ok, thanks |
| 16:30.24 | Wyzard | sciboy: for pdbfile in *.pdb; do zipfile="`basename ${pdbfile} .pdb`.zip"; zip ${zipfile} ${pdbfile}; zip2pz ${zipfile}; done |
| 16:30.37 | Wyzard | sciboy: (assuming the zip-to-pz converter is called "zip2pz"... I made that part up) |
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| 16:32.24 | Wyzard | HipHob: Are you sure you installed the ndiswrapper-modules that goes with the kernel you're using, and not for some other kernel version? |
| 16:32.29 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: Now i get this when trying to run Yahoo with "ymessenger" in shell: "Segmentation Fault" |
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| 16:32.42 | landslide | is there a way to determine Dhrystone's under debian? |
| 16:33.07 | Wyzard | Whisky_: That means a bug in the program |
| 16:33.17 | Whisky_ | right. |
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| 16:33.44 | ixion | there is something seriously wrong with my debian box, last night it was attacked - brute force, there are to many logs to determine if any of the combinations of user/pass were accepted - running top I cant see any processes that look odd - any suggestions? |
| 16:33.58 | Wyzard | ixion: Shut it down and reinstall |
| 16:34.17 | ixion | it took so much time to setup :/ |
| 16:34.30 | Wyzard | ixion: If the box has been compromised, you have no way to ever be sure you've removed everything the attacker put there |
| 16:34.55 | Wyzard | ixion: Restore from full backups if you have them, else reinstall |
| 16:35.06 | matze_ | Infobash: Dependency not met: gawk not found in path |
| 16:35.12 | ixion | can I measure processes over x time and see the top 10 processes etc? |
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| 16:35.33 | Andares | http://kelsie.toroimerai.net/lolrus.gif |
| 16:35.35 | Andares | o_O |
| 16:35.38 | dvs | ixion: They could have replaced those programs with ones of their won |
| 16:35.40 | dvs | own |
| 16:36.02 | ixion | s'pose |
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| 16:36.12 | Wyzard | ixion: If you're referring to the SSH brute-force attacks that have been going around, btw, what I did was turn off password authentication in sshd, so that only publickey is allowed |
| 16:36.44 | ixion | so I should use putty with the correct ssh key? |
| 16:36.53 | ixion | instead of password |
| 16:37.06 | ixion | can I use freenx with ssh only authentication? |
| 16:37.10 | omry_ | TyreseJones , Wyzard, had an idea about the ssh issue: ssh complains that the host fingerprint was changed. is it opssible to have my two machines use the same 'fingerprint' ? |
| 16:37.12 | landslide | is there a way to determine Dhrystone's under debian? |
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| 16:37.40 | Wyzard | omry: Don't do that |
| 16:37.55 | omry_ | Wyzard why not? |
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| 16:38.22 | Wyzard | omry_: A hostkey is supposed to uniquely identify a host |
| 16:38.34 | Wyzard | omry_: From a technical standpoint, it would probably "work", but it's bad practice |
| 16:38.41 | websdale | ixion:are you sure you've been compromised - you don't want to reinstall every time you're attacked surely |
| 16:38.57 | diepes | Hi, my Gnome login hangs my machine, keyboard does not switch to terminal, sits with Debian splash. I can log in choosing IceWin where can I look for the problem ? |
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| 16:39.23 | diepes | I can still reboot using ALT-SysRq B |
| 16:39.37 | omry_ | the problem is that the hostkey sis (wrongly, IMO) mapped to an IP, so it assumes 1 IP = 1 Identification |
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| 16:40.27 | Wyzard | omry_: A friend of mine once wrote a patch to make hostkeys map to (IP, port) pairs, but I don't think he ever submitted it |
| 16:40.28 | FieldySnuts | ixion: install and run rkhunter ( be sure to update it ). also install and run chkrootkit. these tools find most rootkits or other nasties. |
| 16:40.48 | sciboy | Wyzard: *phew* The one file way worked. XD |
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| 16:40.54 | sciboy | Wyzard: Thanks anyway. |
| 16:41.18 | Wyzard | ixion: Yes, run chkrootkit, but do it while booted from external media such as a Knoppix CD, not while booted to the compromised OS |
| 16:41.29 | omry_ | Wyzard, having the two mashines use the hostkey means stating that they are the same machine = same IP from ssh point of view. |
| 16:42.02 | Wyzard | omry_: Right, but they *aren't* the same machine |
| 16:42.19 | omry_ | Wyzard , too bad your friend didn't submit it. or maybe he did and bumped into walls of politics.. |
| 16:42.35 | FieldySnuts | diepes: i'm not sure what's going on there, but note that you should definately sync the disks (sysrq s), wait a second or two, remount all your partitions read only (sysreq u), THEN sysreq b. you risk filesystem damage otherwise. |
| 16:42.38 | rilat | Now, that I have the kernel headers installed, (following with the madwifi driver installation), before compiling the driver I have to set the KERNELPATH variable, which value do I have to give to it? |
| 16:42.42 | omry_ | Wyzard, true. its an obvious hack. question is, what ill effects will it have :) |
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| 16:43.02 | Wyzard | omry_: Quite possibly... he's an OpenBSD user, and OpenSSH is an OpenBSD project, but the OBSD community is known for being rather strongly opinionated :-) |
| 16:43.58 | kpfleming[mobile | i have all 14(!) sarge ISOs downloaded via torrent... anyone know of a HOWTO to convert them into a "mirror" server so I can use them for net-installs? |
| 16:44.08 | omry_ | Wyzard, its like that with that kind of comunities. they decide something, than takes forever to change their mind, even when facing a changing world (where IP no longer equals machine) |
| 16:44.11 | nite613_ | Wyzard: That (ip, port) patch for ssh would be great. Whenever I come up against multiple ports leading to different machines I always us -o hostkeyalias=blah |
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| 16:45.34 | Wyzard | kpfleming[mobile: You could try apt-move... it's not well-suited to operating on CDs directly, but if you copy the debs off the CD into /var/cache/apt/archives, and somehow get the Packages files into place as if apt had downloaded them, it should work |
| 16:45.52 | omry_ | nite613_, what is that -o hostkeyalias thingie does? |
| 16:46.06 | rilat | export KERNELPATH=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 16:46.07 | kpfleming[mobile | Wyzard: ugh... I'm doing this using a non-Debian box :-( |
| 16:46.13 | rilat | ok |
| 16:46.58 | Wyzard | kpfleming[mobile: Well, I suppose you could compile apt-move from source, but there are probably better tools available anyway, for building apt repositories |
| 16:47.10 | kpfleming[mobile | ok, i'll take a look around |
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| 16:47.31 | Wyzard | rilat: Should work, theoretically |
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| 16:47.47 | rilat | Wyzard: yes, it does |
| 16:47.47 | Wyzard | rilat: See if you can find a packaged version of the madwifi driver, though, which uses the Debian kernel-module build mechanism |
| 16:48.48 | rilat | Wyzard, yes, I've found someone on the web.. but, I prefer compiling it.. |
| 16:48.56 | dogmeat | for disk RAID levels, say 2 or more, is what is the fastest performer? |
| 16:49.00 | rilat | Wyzard: just to learn a bit |
| 16:49.05 | nite613_ | omry_: Tells ssh that the machine you'er connected to should be identified with a different key in your known_hosts instead of the one naturally associated with the IP |
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| 16:49.16 | Wyzard | rilat: Well, you'd still be compiling it, but you'd be using make-kpkg and getting a .deb as the result |
| 16:49.46 | nite613_ | s/conntected/connecting |
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| 16:49.49 | Wyzard | rilat: The main motivation is to get the .deb, so you don't have to clutter up your system with files that aren't tracked by dpkg :-) |
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| 16:50.21 | paco | hi! |
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| 16:50.45 | rilat | Wyzard: I see... but I'm just a very newbie |
| 16:51.04 | Wyzard | rilat: All the more reason to stick with packaged stuff |
| 16:51.26 | rilat | Wyzard: now I have to set up the interface and check if I can access the internet |
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| 16:51.55 | paco | i am trying to install php 5.04 from source, and during the configuration, i type "make," and the error says 'make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.' |
| 16:52.12 | Wyzard | rilat: Are you using WEP or WPA on your wireless network? |
| 16:52.28 | omry_ | nite613_, works similar to the workaround I currently use: (use a different host name to the same machine), and also gies the same warning. |
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| 16:53.42 | PerfDave | weppwnme |
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| 16:54.04 | HipHob | ach |
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| 16:54.09 | HipHob | i can't install ndiswrapper |
| 16:54.15 | Spods | hello again |
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| 16:54.36 | jim | Spods: McKensie? |
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| 16:55.29 | Spods | jim: if your asking am I McKensie, no. |
| 16:55.50 | paco | what do i do during php installation, when i type 'make' and the error reads 'no targets specified and no makefile found'? |
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| 16:55.56 | HipHob | the package is for 2.6 kernel, and i used netinstall and it's implemented 2.4.7-2 kernel, however, i can't find the kernel source for 2.4.7-2 and it wants the kernel source if i type make from the source of ndiswrapper |
| 16:56.17 | HipHob | the only kernel source is 2.4.7 which isn't 2.4.7-2 |
| 16:56.24 | quiet | hey.. i accidentally set the wrong refresh rate for my lcd... how to I restart that part? can i get ther with tasksel? |
| 16:56.46 | Wyzard | HipHob: Why not install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:56.46 | dvs | !drxx quiet |
| 16:56.47 | dpkg | quiet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 16:56.47 | UnWorldly | what difficulties can I expect to run into when running debian unstable? |
| 16:56.51 | ixion | will rkhunter report bad hashes if some of my packages are not up to date? |
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| 16:56.57 | Wyzard | quiet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:57.03 | Spods | whats the debconf way to edit /etc/network/interfaces (i much preferred just manually editing the file) |
| 16:57.06 | paco | quiet, its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:57.10 | Whisky_ | who would be kind enough to send me xchat.deb from their distro CD's ? |
| 16:57.27 | HipHob | Wyzard: well i could, but it would mean buildling and compiling it and i've never done that before |
| 16:57.28 | quiet | wow... lol.. thanks al 3 of you! |
| 16:57.29 | paco | Whisky, just load it from synaptic pkg manager |
| 16:57.43 | Wyzard | HipHob: No it wouldn't |
| 16:57.51 | Wyzard | HipHob: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:57.52 | HipHob | Wyzard: ok? what should i do then? |
| 16:57.53 | HipHob | oh |
| 16:57.56 | paco | Whisky_, just load it from synaptic pkg manager |
| 16:57.57 | HipHob | and that's it? |
| 16:57.58 | jim | Spods: why not just go ahead and edit the fiel? |
| 16:58.00 | Whisky_ | paco: Synaptic pkg manager? |
| 16:58.03 | Wyzard | HipHob: Replace -686 with -k7 if you have an AMD processor |
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| 16:58.05 | HipHob | how cool |
| 16:58.26 | paco | Whisky_, yes..its under system configuration |
| 16:58.35 | Wyzard | HipHob: (btw, for future reference, if you type "linux26" at the sarge installer's boot prompt, it'll install 2.6 by default) |
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| 16:58.48 | Spods | jim: well i thought about that, but it's got the comments in it saying "this file is created by debconf, do not edit manually" so i thought I'd better learn how to do it the debconf way |
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| 16:59.05 | websdale | ixion:a program like tripwire would help you know if you've been compromised |
| 16:59.25 | paco | what do i do during php installation, when i type 'make' and the error reads 'no targets specified and no makefile found'? |
| 16:59.32 | FieldySnuts | websdale: or the two apps several of us have already told him about, but i guess we don't matter |
| 16:59.33 | Wyzard | Spods: If you edit it manually, then debconf won't be able to touch it anymore, but if you prefer editing it manually, that's not much of a problem |
| 16:59.38 | HipHob | thanks |
| 16:59.40 | Whisky_ | paco: I dont have it there. I only got Disc 1 of Sarge...... |
| 16:59.41 | tractor | Wyzard: cd .. |
| 16:59.44 | jim | !find interfaces |
| 16:59.46 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'interfaces' (2): timidity-interfaces-extra ;; tinysnmp-module-interfaces. |
| 16:59.48 | FieldySnuts | !lart ixion for not listening to experienced admins |
| 16:59.56 | ixion | websdale, Im using chkrootkit and rkhunter - one of my systems is showing incorrect hashes, but I know the packages to not be up to date |
| 16:59.57 | tractor | oops wrong keyboard |
| 17:00.16 | paco | Whisky_, did you do a net install? |
| 17:00.20 | Wyzard | tractor: ? |
| 17:00.25 | Wyzard | ah |
| 17:00.36 | Spods | wyzard: fair enough, i'll just rip out the made by debconf comments and do my own thing in the file |
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| 17:00.59 | Whisky_ | paco: No, just the first CD of Sarge. |
| 17:01.13 | paco | Whisky_, apt-cache search synspatic |
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| 17:01.26 | Wyzard | Whisky_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/xchat |
| 17:01.29 | paco | Whisky_, apt-cache search synaptic |
| 17:01.32 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:01.37 | Wyzard | Whisky_: If the package isn't on your CD, there's a download link there |
| 17:01.43 | tractor | I was going to ask you a question a while ago.. sorry I'm have two keyboards in front of me and i typed into the wrong one :D |
| 17:01.49 | Whisky_ | nothing found. |
| 17:02.00 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: where's tnat ? |
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| 17:02.09 | paco | Whisky_, if you see it then, apt-get install synaptic |
| 17:02.16 | DiPx | Since #mysql is really gay and just ignoring me, can you guys help me out |
| 17:02.29 | Wyzard | Whisky_: I just sent you a link to xchat's page on packages.debian.org |
| 17:02.31 | Whisky_ | paco: I dont see it.... |
| 17:02.33 | Wyzard | mysql, ugh :-P |
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| 17:02.40 | Whisky_ | oh sorry i didnt see :) |
| 17:02.46 | chealer | !tell DiPx about gay |
| 17:02.46 | Wyzard | DiPx: apt-get install postgresql ;-) |
| 17:03.01 | flippo | DiPx, great way to introduce yourself. I'm sure everyone wants to help you now. |
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| 17:03.26 | DiPx | flippo thanks for your 2cents, fool |
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| 17:03.39 | flippo | DiPx, think positive |
| 17:03.40 | jim | !gay |
| 17:03.40 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 17:03.44 | FieldySnuts | !insult DiPx |
| 17:03.46 | dpkg | DiPx is nothing but a fermented enema-bucketful of headless rat-farts |
| 17:03.56 | DiPx | lol |
| 17:03.57 | DiPx | How lame |
| 17:04.11 | FieldySnuts | anyway, you've shown yourself to be an ass, so don't expect help from volunteers |
| 17:04.14 | FieldySnuts | Wyzard: heh |
| 17:04.28 | websdale | ixion:sorry I've only used chkrootkit regularly - It may mean you need to update - check the manual |
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| 17:04.38 | DiPx | Fieldy |
| 17:04.47 | FieldySnuts | Di |
| 17:04.51 | DiPx | You say that behind your computer, you wouldnt ever say it to my face |
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| 17:05.00 | Wyzard | lol |
| 17:05.11 | FieldySnuts | oh shut up kid. go steal some lunch money from an elementary school studen. |
| 17:05.14 | jim | DiPx: maybe your face needs to hear it |
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| 17:05.26 | FieldySnuts | student. (ignored) |
| 17:05.31 | DiPx | FieldySnuts haha |
| 17:05.37 | DiPx | all he can do is insult |
| 17:05.37 | paco | Whisky_, install syanpatic, and then you may have to load another package like gdm or something, and then just do a search for x-chat, and then load it up. |
| 17:05.38 | DiPx | lol |
| 17:05.46 | HipHob | how do i see what packages are installed ? |
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| 17:05.55 | Wyzard | DiPx: No, he's actually pretty helpful to people who don't cop an attitude |
| 17:06.03 | jim | DiPx: all he want to do, and what he doesn't want to do now, is help... |
| 17:06.15 | DiPx | What the fuck are you guys on about, all I did was come in here and ask for help |
| 17:06.29 | ids | lol |
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| 17:06.35 | jim | DiPx: why would mysql be ignoring you? |
| 17:06.50 | DiPx | Its the internet, I dont fucking give a shit if you guys ignore me |
| 17:06.59 | jim | oh, good |
| 17:07.04 | DiPx | Just dont insult me like a bunch of two year olds, just say your nothelping me |
| 17:07.05 | moshii | does anyone know how CJK works in Lyx? It seems there was a lyx-cjk package, but it's gone now |
| 17:07.08 | HipHob | this is the internet? |
| 17:07.28 | narg | hrm, can someone post an open dns server ip? Mine (4.2.2.4) is being screwy atm. |
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| 17:07.36 | Wyzard | DiPx: The reason no one wants to help you now is because you're insulting everyone |
| 17:07.38 | ixion | narg 195.112.4.4 |
| 17:07.46 | ixion | narg 195.112.4.7 |
| 17:07.47 | jim | DiPx: go help yourself, you seem to be acting like you can anyways... |
| 17:07.49 | narg | thanks ;) |
| 17:07.50 | gravity | DiPx: Calm down and just ask your question |
| 17:07.52 | chealer | DiPx: you didn't ask #mysql properly. go back and tell them that #debian couldn't help because they're gay. then they'll help, because they actually are real heterosexual men |
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| 17:08.03 | gravity | chealer: :-) |
| 17:08.04 | DiPx | Wyzard: Good, so let them say it, not make dumb jokes |
| 17:08.11 | Wyzard | DiPx: Initially it was because you insulted flippo for taking exception to your use of the word "gay" |
| 17:09.09 | DiPx | <FieldySnuts> anyway, you've shown yourself to be an ass, so don't expect help from volunteers |
| 17:09.17 | jim | and now it's that plus you have a stupid attitude when you're trying to get people to help you |
| 17:09.34 | gravity | Christ... this is stupid |
| 17:09.42 | shingouz | is there something that would let me go voice with msn? (yes, i know msn is Evil) |
| 17:09.44 | Phated | It's clear the "x" is short for "stick". |
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| 17:09.57 | paco | i am having trouble 'making' php? |
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| 17:10.07 | DiPx | Phated |
| 17:10.15 | DiPx | Its clear your a mother fucker |
| 17:10.18 | ixion | wtf would you want to make php for? |
| 17:10.27 | ixion | DiPx, why are you here? |
| 17:10.32 | Phated | Of course. At least I can get help on #d when I need it, though. |
| 17:10.35 | moshii | shingouz: kopete is doing basic webcam stuff I think |
| 17:10.39 | ids | somebody kickban this guy? |
| 17:10.42 | jav_ | hi.. I did a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge, now my maschine crashs after exactly 1 hour uptime .. any ideas? I already stopped the cron daemon, as that was my first guess |
| 17:10.43 | jim | !ops DiPx annoying, attitude, insulting, troll |
| 17:10.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DiPx annoying, attitude, insulting, troll |
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| 17:10.55 | moshii | DiPx: If you're going to be insulting, use the right spelling |
| 17:11.03 | helix | all of you shut up |
| 17:11.10 | paco | ixion, becuase i am trying to install it. |
| 17:11.12 | shingouz | moshii: webcam? so it is able to go voice then? i do not need the camera, just voice |
| 17:11.16 | gravity | jav_: Did you read the release notes for sarge? |
| 17:11.22 | ixion | paco, use apt? |
| 17:11.29 | DiPx | ixion: for questions to be answered, but now a new reason. to prove to all of these people this is the internet and I don't care if they ignore me heh |
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| 17:11.39 | helix | DiPx: cut it out |
| 17:11.52 | paco | ixion, i heard installation was better from source |
| 17:11.53 | jav_ | gravity: yes, i did and used the described way |
| 17:11.55 | jim | helix: you can't come up with a more constructive way to accomplish that" |
| 17:11.56 | DiPx | helix you tell these assholes too first |
| 17:11.57 | jim | ? |
| 17:12.00 | ixion | ok, could I suggest you revert to your original reason |
| 17:12.06 | ixion | DiPx^ |
| 17:12.06 | Wyzard | DiPx: He did :-) |
| 17:12.13 | helix | jim: I have to warn them before I ban them |
| 17:12.13 | moshii | shingouz: I think gaim can also do that sort of thing, look at their homepages :) |
| 17:12.27 | ixion | because you are just prooving that you do care |
| 17:12.31 | helix | DiPx: I did, but you kept going |
| 17:12.37 | gravity | jav_: That's a weird problem. You should search the debian-user mailing list archives to see if anyone else had that problem |
| 17:12.39 | helix | drop it now |
| 17:12.41 | shingouz | moshii: not the gaim i have here doesnt :( |
| 17:12.44 | jim | helix: oic |
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| 17:13.25 | moshii | shingouz: really? maybe you can run Microsoft's MSN client in Wine? |
| 17:13.28 | DiPx | anyway now that you all wasted my time and I wasted yours' - I have to go to work now. |
| 17:13.30 | jav_ | gravity: ok, I'll do that.. you're right, weird problem.. that's why I asked here, because people would probably remeber it :-) |
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| 17:13.47 | flippo | DiPx, don't be stingy with the fries |
| 17:13.54 | DiPx | flippo |
| 17:13.59 | gravity | jav_: Yeah, I've never heard that one before. You're breaking in to new frontiers! :-) |
| 17:14.04 | ixion | lmao |
| 17:14.04 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: Thanks for the link....Xchat works now...brb |
| 17:14.05 | DiPx | see me tonight |
| 17:14.06 | websdale | paco:unless you have some expertise you'd be better off installing the debian package (unless theres a really good reason not to) |
| 17:14.06 | helix | flippo: why are you trolling? |
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| 17:14.13 | v3ctor | i installed the 2.6.8-15 kernel and now i want to remove it, how would i go about it? |
| 17:14.16 | flippo | helix, sorry |
| 17:14.37 | dabaR | flippo: lol |
| 17:14.45 | paco | websdale, will it be a problem if i just installed apache2 from source? |
| 17:14.54 | helix | and right on cue, dipx /msgs me |
| 17:14.55 | chealer | v3ctor: how did you install it? |
| 17:14.56 | dabaR | dont be stigny with teh fries...come on:) |
| 17:15.05 | v3ctor | chealer: apt-get install |
| 17:15.05 | gravity | Surprise surprise |
| 17:15.06 | ixion | lol good chirp :) |
| 17:15.14 | moshii | v3ctor: apt-get remove kernel-image-blah |
| 17:15.27 | shingouz | moshii: no way i am going to run messenger on wine. it is evil |
| 17:15.41 | v3ctor | tried, it said it was not installed, let me try again |
| 17:15.42 | chealer | v3ctor: apt-get remove |
| 17:16.05 | websdale | paco:its not neccessarily a problem, just that you miss out on all the free configuration & integration with the rest of debian |
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| 17:16.49 | HipHob | hmm ok guys i'm now using ndiswrapper, for my card, which the light has lit up on , and i ran wlist wlan0 scan, found the AP name, and did iwconfig wlan0 essid APNAME and then iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed |
| 17:16.55 | v3ctor | realized what i needed to do..thx guys |
| 17:17.14 | moshii | shingouz: Mmm, but you're probably using the free Microsoft fonts aren't you ;) You're already tainted |
| 17:17.16 | HipHob | and then bought the interface up, however, i can't actually ping anything externall, and a ifconfig wlan0 shows no ip address or anything |
| 17:17.32 | Whisky_ | v3ctor: apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.8-15 |
| 17:17.33 | paco | websdale, is there a big difference in the apache2 file and the httpd file? |
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| 17:17.46 | websdale | paco:you can build debian source packages then install them which is probably the best way to go if you have to use the source |
| 17:17.58 | Fredz | hi all, is it possible to migrate from Xfree to X.org with Sid yet ? |
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| 17:18.14 | Toastie_ | How do I know whether my DVD drive supports dual-layer? |
| 17:18.17 | v3ctor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.21 | HipHob | dhclient wlan0 and it sends DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to the broadcast address on port 67 but doesn't get anything |
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| 17:18.24 | v3ctor | was fogetting the sparc64 |
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| 17:18.35 | kelan | trying to bring up eth0 using 'ifup' gives me this error when trying to perform the request: "recieve_packet failed on eth0: Network is down" and then "send_packet: Network is down". however, i can configure it manually by doing 'ifconfig eth0 up', 'dhclient eth0', see what ip i'm given, 'ifconfig eth0 <ip>', and 'route add default gw <gateway-ip>'. any ideas? |
| 17:18.39 | smo_ | hi all, i still hav my kernel-image-2.6.8-2.... running on my pc but gcc version has changed, i try to install vmware and it say my gcc version is not the same , how can i reconfigure h same kernel-image with another gcc?? |
| 17:18.41 | moshii | Toastie_: reading or burning? |
| 17:18.42 | jim | Fredz: no idea... have you checked the bug tracking system? should be your first stop (whereas here ought to be about your 5th) |
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| 17:19.04 | gravity | Fredz: Yes |
| 17:19.13 | Fredz | jim: in fact I already tried to migrate, had problems, didn't find anything in bug tracker, came here... :) |
| 17:19.28 | Fredz | gravity: you don't have any problems with it ? |
| 17:19.34 | Toastie_ | moshii, reading |
| 17:19.37 | jim | ah,, good job then :) |
| 17:19.40 | Fredz | :) |
| 17:19.44 | gravity | Fredz: What sort of problems did you have previously? |
| 17:19.44 | moshii | smo_: I just built a new kernel using the new gcc.. |
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| 17:20.08 | dcon | any aplication like vmware ? |
| 17:20.13 | mdz | kelan: ifconfig eth0 up && ifup eth0 |
| 17:20.16 | Fredz | gravity: totaly unrelated, gdm didn't follow to an X session |
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| 17:20.24 | gravity | Ah |
| 17:20.31 | moshii | Toastie_: Unless it's a super old 1x drive it should read pressed dual layer disc. Burnt ones are hit and miss |
| 17:20.33 | gravity | Fredz: Well, it works nicely for me |
| 17:20.37 | gravity | And for lots of other people too |
| 17:20.37 | Fredz | gravity: so I reinstalled old versions (4.3.0.etc.) of most packages |
| 17:20.53 | Fredz | gravity: ok, could this be an ABI change related problem ? |
| 17:21.05 | Toastie_ | moshii, does my software need to command the CDROM to switch to the other layer? |
| 17:21.09 | gravity | Fredz: Not any more |
| 17:21.14 | boguh | where can find exim4 configuration file? |
| 17:21.16 | gravity | Fredz: The ABI change doesn't affect X.Org |
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| 17:21.18 | kelan | mdz: do i have something misconfigured so that 'ifup eth0' by itself doesn't work? |
| 17:21.21 | smo_ | yes moshii but i want the same kernel as i have now but recompile it with my new gcc (kernel-image) |
| 17:21.22 | Wyzard | Fredz: Works fine for me too |
| 17:21.23 | Fredz | gravity: ok, I'll try again then, thanks |
| 17:21.36 | HipHob | aghh?! |
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| 17:21.42 | jim | gravity: is the abis for c and c++ the same as of gcc 4? |
| 17:21.44 | Fredz | gravity: btw, I've got an nVidia card, no problems with those ? |
| 17:21.46 | moshii | Toastie_: nope |
| 17:21.48 | mdz | kelan: possibly |
| 17:21.53 | quiet | what all do i need to play DVDs? i have added the marillat repos and installed mplayer, xine, and w32codecs |
| 17:21.53 | HipHob | why isn't iwconfig wlan0 essid MAX setting the ESSID to max ? |
| 17:21.53 | Wyzard | Fredz: The ABI change is only for C++ btw; C programs aren't affected |
| 17:21.57 | gravity | jim: No, it's different for C++ |
| 17:22.01 | gravity | Fredz: No more than usual |
| 17:22.03 | Wyzard | jim: C++ will never have the same ABI as C |
| 17:22.05 | Fredz | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
| 17:22.09 | gravity | Fredz: The nv driver should have had some improvements |
| 17:22.10 | kelan | mdz: ok, thanks |
| 17:22.11 | quiet | xine says something about not have an MRL dvd:/ or something |
| 17:22.20 | Fredz | gravity: like 3d support ? ;) |
| 17:22.26 | Wyzard | jim: But the C++ ABI is at least a step closer (hopefully the last step) to a final, stable form |
| 17:22.26 | gravity | Fredz: Nope. Talk to nvidia. |
| 17:22.26 | Toastie_ | moshii, arg! so it's not a hw problem... the kernel just won't lseek past the 32bit boundary on x86-64 |
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| 17:22.38 | Phated | quiet: libdvdcss, libdvdplay, libdvdread, probably something else. apt-cache search libdvd should help. |
| 17:22.38 | gravity | Fredz: I'd love to see them release enough info to make that possible |
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| 17:22.47 | Fredz | gravity: there was 3d support in Xfree 3.3.6 though |
| 17:22.48 | jim | so does that mean that c .os can't be linked with c++ .os? |
| 17:22.55 | gravity | Fredz: They stopped releasing info |
| 17:23.05 | gravity | 3.x was a long time ago |
| 17:23.17 | Wyzard | Fredz: You need nvidia's closed-source driver for 3D support... see nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 17:23.22 | Fredz | gravity: yep, I heard about that, but I guess the work from Utah-glx could be backported |
| 17:23.22 | moshii | Toastie_: My laptop has problems with a lot of discs, it cuts off switching layers.. it's just a crap drive ;) |
| 17:23.42 | Fredz | anyway, thanks for the info guys |
| 17:23.43 | Toastie_ | moshii, u'd expect the kernel to dump the IDE error message in such case, no? |
| 17:23.43 | gravity | Fredz: Well, go for it if you want to try. I don't have nvidia hardware to even look seriously at the problem |
| 17:24.04 | Fredz | gravity: I lack skill for the moment, maybe in some years :) |
| 17:24.08 | dcon | i have a sony handycam, DR-TV361 anyone knows how to install it ? |
| 17:24.15 | moshii | Toastie_: You should get something in your dmesg about failures reading the disc or something |
| 17:24.23 | Toastie_ | moshii, yup, no such thing |
| 17:24.30 | jim | gravity/Wyzard, so does that mean that c .os can't be linked with c++ .os? |
| 17:24.34 | Wyzard | Fredz: FWIW, I've heard people say that they've had problems with using nvidia's driver in xorg, but I'm using it right now and see nothing wrong |
| 17:25.00 | Wyzard | jim: That's always been true... except for functions which are declared "extern C", which use the C ABI |
| 17:25.02 | Fredz | Wyzard: which card ? do you have 7667 version . |
| 17:25.04 | gravity | Wyzard: Some people do have problems. I think the flash plugin causes serious issues in firefox with the nvidia driver for instance |
| 17:25.26 | Wyzard | Fredz: geforce2, and 7174 (which is the latest version in unstable) |
| 17:25.34 | moshii | Toastie_: you can turn verbose messages for IDE on in your kernel config if I remember correctly |
| 17:25.39 | Wyzard | gravity: aimfight works fine for me, and that's Flash :-) |
| 17:25.48 | Wyzard | gravity: though I use Galeon, not Firefox |
| 17:25.49 | Fredz | Wyzard: ok, I used the version from nVidia, maybe the problem came from that |
| 17:25.53 | jim | I see, so c++ funcs can still be built with c abi if they're declared that way |
| 17:25.59 | gravity | Wyzard: It'd probably affect galeon as well |
| 17:26.01 | Wyzard | jim: right |
| 17:26.16 | TyreseJones | Okay, my question, is the only applications that I want installed on my terminal server are FireFox, and OpenOffice - How can i remove everything else that is not needed? |
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| 17:26.48 | Toastie_ | moshii, that's strange -- I do get the casual ATAPI errors |
| 17:26.54 | Wyzard | jim: But "extern C" functions lose some of the capabilities of C++ functions... they can't be member functions, and can't be overloaded |
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| 17:27.20 | jim | ok, thanks |
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| 17:27.36 | concept10 | Could dyndns.org forward more than one URL to one IP address? |
| 17:27.57 | FieldySnuts | probaby best to ask them. by the way, they deal with DNS which is not a url |
| 17:28.00 | ixion | hey is it possible to use bootp to boot into a simply linux OS with browser etc on a machine that doesnt have a HDD ? |
| 17:28.11 | jim | more than one domain you mean? |
| 17:28.14 | Wyzard | concept10: DynDNS deals with DNS names, not URLs... but yes, you can have more than one name pointing to the same IP, if that's what you're asking |
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| 17:28.31 | moshii | Toastie_: I don't know much about AMD64, but maybe it's due to that? Asking on the LKML might find a solution. |
| 17:28.34 | Toastie_ | moshii, it bitches about "Invalid argument" |
| 17:28.35 | TyreseJones | concept10, Yes, I think they can - just use multiple instances of thier update client |
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| 17:28.43 | Toastie_ | Yep, seems like LKML is the way to go. |
| 17:28.57 | concept10 | Wyzard, Thanks, but is a DNS name not a URL? |
| 17:29.10 | ixion | concept10: no |
| 17:29.12 | moshii | Toastie_: You can always try upgrading the firmware in the drive and things like that |
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| 17:29.26 | concept10 | TyreseJones, you have to have multiple clients running? |
| 17:29.32 | ixion | a URL is an address, that can be partly made up of a domain name |
| 17:29.33 | moshii | Toastie_: I have a DVD reader that has to be downgraded to work in linux :/ |
| 17:29.33 | Toastie_ | moshii, if it was the driver bullshiting me, I'm sure I'd have a dmesg error |
| 17:29.49 | Wyzard | concept10: I use ez-ipupdate with multiple .conf files, one for each DynDNS alias |
| 17:29.54 | ixion | http://127.0.0.1/default/.html is a URL - but there is no domain in that URL |
| 17:30.00 | Wyzard | concept10: It automatically loads all of them |
| 17:30.56 | concept10 | hmmm... I dont understand why I even have to use a update client because my IP doesnt change |
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| 17:31.04 | TyreseJones | concept10, i think one client can do multiple updates, but to be on the safe side - it's in the documentation |
| 17:31.29 | Wyzard | concept10: If your IP doesn't change, you don't have to use an update client |
| 17:31.32 | ixion | concept10, you IP NEVER changes, are you sure? |
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| 17:31.48 | concept10 | Hasnt changed in two years Ive had this connection |
| 17:31.55 | Wyzard | concept10: though I think the names have to be updated at least once every few months or they expire... but you could do that manually |
| 17:32.01 | ixion | just use normal dns then |
| 17:32.16 | Wyzard | concept10: Actually, you could use DynDNS's "static DNS" service, which doesn't expire like the dynamic ones do |
| 17:32.21 | Whisky_ | What's there in the "Lost and Found" menu in my system? I mean, what goes there ? |
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| 17:32.29 | Wyzard | concept10: so you can just set it and forget it |
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| 17:32.31 | moshii | Toastie_: Have you tried playing a video DVD? or ripping one with dvdbackup? |
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| 17:32.59 | concept10 | What I needed initially was a free domain name - and something that would forward that name to my server behind a simple wireless router |
| 17:33.21 | Toastie_ | moshii, just playing |
| 17:33.25 | Wyzard | concept10: DynDNS static DNS is pretty much exactly what you need |
| 17:33.40 | concept10 | Wyzard, Okay. I will try that. |
| 17:33.43 | Toastie_ | moshii, but now I simply have a test C program opening /dev/dvd and lseeking to 0xFFFFFFFF (and miserably failing). |
| 17:33.47 | Wyzard | concept10: I'm pretty sure it's a free service (for up to five names) just like the dynamic |
| 17:34.05 | alexn | Could anyone give me a hint as how to make x11 _not_ listen to tcp (the '-nolisten tcp') when using xfce4, I've put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but takes no effect |
| 17:34.06 | AlphaOmega | sitelutions.com |
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| 17:34.53 | jim | alexn: it already doesn't if you're using the packaged one |
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| 17:35.25 | moshii | Toastie_: And there's nothing in dmesg.. one for LKML I think :) |
| 17:35.52 | Toastie_ | bah, fetching kernel sources. |
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| 17:36.05 | Devil_Kin | what's up with the wiki? |
| 17:36.34 | jim | probably nothing... in fact, it might actually be down, not up |
| 17:36.45 | alexn | jim: it does listen, i'm using the amd64 repository (tcp 0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 18733/X) |
| 17:38.10 | ixion | bah, you know when you visit a website without PHP support your browswer wants you to download the php4 file or whatever, why would a dist-upgrade cause my site to start doing that? |
| 17:38.28 | christianju | Hi guys, I have installed debian on my second machine, but my mouse was not initally detected thus on X11 it shows up the cursor but I cant move it. I just tried running xfconfig from a terminal and saved the produced file into /etc/X11 but still it doesn't take over those changes when rebooting |
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| 17:38.45 | jim | *shrug* dist-upgrade can make many changes |
| 17:38.46 | Andares | Ugh... people on #ubuntu are useless. |
| 17:38.46 | christianju | What can I do for configuring my mouse ? (mounting device etc.) |
| 17:39.09 | jim | you want to mount your mouse??! |
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| 17:39.18 | ixion | lol |
| 17:39.30 | TwistedEmotions | How do I leave a note for someone? |
| 17:39.31 | Ford-Prefect | hump it good... that's the only way I know you can mount a mouse :D |
| 17:39.33 | Devil_Kin | depends on the size of the mouse, i'd guess |
| 17:39.47 | ixion | mouse size |
| 17:39.49 | christianju | jim: I think I specified the wrong type of mouse: Logitech was my choice, but it's such an old mouse that Microsoft should probably be set |
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| 17:40.14 | nabokov | TwistedEmotions: /msg memoserv help |
| 17:40.28 | ixion | wtf is scrollkeeper its been updating its database for about 10mins |
| 17:40.32 | TwistedEmotions | nabokov: thanks. |
| 17:40.42 | ixion | aha |
| 17:40.45 | Ford-Prefect | christianju, is it USB or ps2? |
| 17:40.50 | christianju | ps2 |
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| 17:41.31 | Ford-Prefect | christianju: hmm... well, then I'm no good... never had problems with ps2 mice |
| 17:41.41 | sorush20 | hi.. guys just wanted to recover the Grub loader.... |
| 17:41.51 | christianju | just need to change x11 configuration for the mouse, it shouldn't be that hard. |
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| 17:42.24 | jim | try putting "PS/2" for protocol |
| 17:42.38 | ixion | yeh, dont choose /dev/mouse |
| 17:42.48 | ixion | use /dev/psaux |
| 17:42.49 | Whisky_ | ermm.....Why cant I mount audio cd's ? |
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| 17:42.53 | ixion | in xconfig thing |
| 17:43.05 | sorush20 | can anyone help I am following the instructions form the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, but when I try to mount /dev/hda4 mnt/work I get and error mount:you must specify the filesystem type.... can anyone help please.. |
| 17:43.07 | ixion | hmm mounting audio cd's could be painfull |
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| 17:43.26 | Whisky_ | :S |
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| 17:43.42 | Whisky_ | I can mount data cd's but audio one's just wont get mounted :/ |
| 17:43.42 | jim | Whisky_: yaknow, that's kinda a good question actually... it can be (and occasionly is) seen as a collection of files |
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| 17:44.01 | christianju | ixion: I ran xconfig thingy and I saved the file and moved it to /etc/X11/ then I rebooted with the hope that x11 would take over the configuration settings in that file, but it doesn't seem to. :( |
| 17:44.01 | jim | but under linux audio cds aren't mounted |
| 17:44.09 | JohnnyST | Whisky_: audio are not ment to be mounted. |
| 17:44.30 | JohnnyST | Whisky_: audio should be played or ripped not mounted. |
| 17:44.34 | Whisky_ | omg I asked an elite question :p |
| 17:44.39 | ixion | rofl |
| 17:44.48 | sorush20 | right.. guys.. I'm about to format the whole hdd again.. if I don |
| 17:44.53 | moshii | There is a CDDA filesytem thingy though |
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| 17:44.57 | sorush20 | sot this thing out.. |
| 17:44.59 | Whisky_ | ok i put in an audio cd. |
| 17:45.08 | ixion | <sorush20> right.. guys.. I'm about to format the whole hdd again.. if I don |
| 17:45.10 | ixion | loool |
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| 17:45.15 | moshii | so you can rip the tracks in that manner .. |
| 17:45.16 | jim | try workman |
| 17:45.19 | Whisky_ | ok and CD player is playing it :| |
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| 17:45.43 | JohnnyST | Whisky_ yes. |
| 17:46.06 | igod | Hi all, could anyone help me with a little problem on debian sarge ? |
| 17:46.18 | chealer | !anyone |
| 17:46.19 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:46.25 | ixion | I would imagine so |
| 17:46.32 | jim | not until we know what the problem is:) |
| 17:46.38 | JohnnyST | igod: yes speek. |
| 17:46.40 | igod | ehehe...yes |
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| 17:46.53 | ixion | libsoup - lol wtf is that |
| 17:46.56 | chealer | sorush20: was that question Debian-related? |
| 17:46.56 | Enforcer_JB | Hi everybody |
| 17:47.11 | Enforcer_JB | Somebody using FileZilla keeps crashing my proftpd (1.2.10-15, Debian Sarge). Are there any known bugs I should know about? |
| 17:47.14 | fpmc | is there an easy way to tell what is using a particular module? |
| 17:47.15 | moshii | Does someone here use tex to produce Chinese, Japanese, or Korean documents? |
| 17:47.25 | tractor | hi Enforcer_JB] |
| 17:47.26 | Enforcer_JB | The sig11 always happens when entering PASV (passive mode) |
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| 17:47.30 | igod | I have 2Gb RAM and debian only detect 1Gb. Grub display 2Gb but on debian when I do free or top only apear 1Gb |
| 17:47.34 | JohnnyST | Enforcer_JB: Look in BTS. |
| 17:47.54 | Enforcer_JB | JohnnyST, did already |
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| 17:48.02 | jim | igod: that's probably a kernel issue |
| 17:48.08 | JohnnyST | igod: Recompile your kernel with highmem support. |
| 17:48.17 | ixion | highmem support is for excess of 4GB |
| 17:48.21 | ixion | not 1GB |
| 17:48.24 | paulswm | igod: It's a kernel parameter, you'll have to build a custom kernel |
| 17:48.25 | Whisky_ | ermmm....is it possible to install "Verdana" font on my system ? |
| 17:48.46 | moshii | Whisky_: msttcorefonts |
| 17:48.48 | ixion | sarge (stable) natively supports more than 1GB |
| 17:48.55 | ixion | I have 1.5GB in this box |
| 17:48.56 | jaylee7877 | igod: the SMP kernel probably supports more than 1GB also |
| 17:48.56 | drosdow | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv <-- Hi i got this error, any ideas? |
| 17:49.02 | Whisky_ | thanks |
| 17:49.03 | ixion | ah, true, I do use smp |
| 17:49.06 | paulswm | ixion: incorrect, if it's turned off the kernel will see only a little less than 1GB |
| 17:49.07 | JohnnyST | ixion: Well there was 3 options there don't rembember the limits and names.. |
| 17:49.24 | igod | ok...but smp works well with only one processor? |
| 17:49.26 | ixion | yeah I use smp - probably why I dont have the problem |
| 17:49.43 | Whisky_ | moshii, bash: msttcorefonts: command not found |
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| 17:50.07 | jaylee7877 | igod: yes, the kernel is of course bigger but with 2gb ram, who cares? |
| 17:50.13 | moshii | Whisky_: aptitude install msttcorefonts |
| 17:50.29 | moshii | Whisky_: or apt-get install msttcorefonts , if you prefer |
| 17:50.31 | Phat32 | I'm always getting messages saying DriveReady SeekComplete Error |
| 17:50.33 | igod | ehheh...thanks all. I will try smp kernel |
| 17:50.39 | Phat32 | is there smoething wrong with my hdd? |
| 17:50.40 | Toastie_ | moshii, according to lseek(SEEK_END) the DVD is fffff800 bytes long |
| 17:50.42 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:50.57 | Toastie_ | And as Ice Cube said - "That's a lie, that's a goddamn lie!" |
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| 17:51.06 | jaylee7877 | Anybody else have a NSLU2 running debian yet? |
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| 17:52.21 | moshii | Toastie_: have you tried a 32bit kernel and things like that? |
| 17:52.30 | Toastie_ | moshii, no |
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| 17:53.48 | kelan | mdz: any trick to getting it to add the route to the default gateway automatically too? |
| 17:53.51 | paulswm | Phat32: That sounds like it could be a dying drive. Do you ever get system freezes and a message about a IDE bus reset, or DMA getting turned off? |
| 17:54.03 | Phat32 | nope |
| 17:54.12 | mdz | kelan: no trick; by default it adds a route for the gateway provided by the DHCP server |
| 17:54.17 | Phat32 | just lots of error messages when I'm booting or installing things |
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| 17:54.24 | paulswm | Phat32: There is one other possibility, hang on a sec |
| 17:54.44 | moshii | mmm Why aren't English English packages, locales etc just "English" and not "English-GB" ;) |
| 17:55.09 | Phated | Because the Americans are perverts who like to think they speak English, too. |
| 17:55.19 | kelan | mdz: maybe the server isnt sending the default gateway for some reason. oh well |
| 17:55.45 | moshii | Phated: Not being able to spell doesn't make them perverts |
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| 17:56.19 | Phated | Oh, for goodness' sake, does no one have a sense of humour anymore. |
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| 17:56.40 | fpmc | Is there a way to disable ipv6 altogether/ |
| 17:56.53 | mentor | fpitt: modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 17:57.12 | moshii | Phated: I meant that sarcasticaly, British humour |
| 17:57.30 | Phated | Of course. |
| 17:57.34 | safaa | Anyone, Is it TopDNS or Top DNS? |
| 17:57.47 | fpmc | mentor: it says it's being used, and I can't figure what program uses it. I turned off all networking interfaces, including loop... did a /etc/init.d/networking stop, still can't shutdown ipv6 module |
| 17:57.58 | paulswm | Phat32: In the kernel config, there is a parameter in Device Drivers / ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support / Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support BLK_DEV_IDEDISK.... |
| 17:58.21 | Phat32 | what does that mean |
| 17:58.29 | scarynetworkguy | Ahh. A AOL user that explains not knowing what sarcasm is. |
| 17:58.31 | ixion | can someone please help me get my php working again - its pretty urgent |
| 17:58.43 | paulswm | Phat32: The option is "Use multi-mode by default IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE" and it's usually turned off, but the narrative says... |
| 17:58.45 | ixion | I'll get my arsed kicked as soon as someone notives its not working :p |
| 17:58.53 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: The father's choice of ISP, not mine |
| 17:58.57 | Phated | Why'd you make it stop working, then? |
| 17:59.01 | paulswm | Phat32: "If you get this error, try to say Y here:" |
| 17:59.06 | mentor | fpmc: Ah well...something might have already opened a socket. |
| 17:59.11 | ixion | dist-upgrade screwed something :/ |
| 17:59.11 | paulswm | Phat32: hda: set_multmode: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 17:59.11 | paulswm | hda: set_multmode: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } |
| 17:59.17 | mentor | fpmc: You could just iptables it off. |
| 17:59.31 | Phat32 | so how do I fix it |
| 17:59.33 | paulswm | Phat32: So you could try building a kernel with that turned on, maybe that will do the trick |
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| 17:59.49 | Phat32 | I don't know anything about building kernels |
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| 17:59.57 | jok63 | hi |
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| 18:00.09 | fpmc | mentor: I see... well I'm just going to take some suggestions I found online and disable loading the ipv6 module altogether on start up |
| 18:00.17 | Phat32 | The only other distro I have experience with is fedora core 3 |
| 18:00.23 | ixion | with apache2, if I need php support do I create a symlink to the module in mods-enabled ? |
| 18:00.29 | Phat32 | and I never had any problems with it |
| 18:00.34 | mentor | fpmc: Good plan |
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| 18:00.40 | paulswm | Phat32: It's not too hard, start by looking in the debian reference Manual and then ask questions here |
| 18:00.44 | Phat32 | but that was on another computer |
| 18:01.07 | Phat32 | wouldn't it be easier to just try another distro |
| 18:01.08 | paulswm | Phat32: It isn't a distro thing, it's a kernel thing and yes it's related to the actual hardware |
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| 18:01.29 | Phat32 | so should I get a nother hdd |
| 18:01.35 | Phat32 | another* |
| 18:01.37 | paulswm | Phat32: up to you, try another if you like, maybe that kernel option is turned on in other distros |
| 18:02.11 | paulswm | Phat32: What computer and HDD is it? |
| 18:02.12 | Phat32 | I don't feel like stumbling around in the dark for hours attempting to fix something when I don't even fully understand what is causing the errors |
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| 18:02.35 | paulswm | Phat32: Heh, then you shouldn't be running Linux, ha ha |
| 18:02.40 | fpmc | YES!! After 6 hours software suspend finally worked!! And it's the ipv6 module that was the villan......... |
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| 18:02.54 | Phat32 | like I said before |
| 18:03.02 | Phat32 | I never had these problems with fedora |
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| 18:03.21 | Phat32 | this computer is old and slow |
| 18:03.23 | foo | I'm going to attempt to get my debian box to print to the HP 4-in-1 printer on a Windows machine on this network. Is it worth it? Can it be done? |
| 18:03.29 | Phat32 | I just wanted to put something basic on it with fluxbox |
| 18:03.56 | Phat32 | I tried gentoo |
| 18:04.00 | paulswm | Phat32: Well you asked what the problem was and how you could fix it, I gave you the best answer I could |
| 18:04.02 | Phat32 | it was insanely complicated |
| 18:04.04 | moshii | Phat32: You could try NetBSD.. it likes old machines |
| 18:04.35 | paulswm | Yes, NetBSD or FreeBSD or OpenBSD depending on your requirements |
| 18:04.50 | paulswm | That's actually not at all a bad idea |
| 18:04.55 | Phat32 | wouldn't the BSD's require more manual configuration |
| 18:05.17 | paulswm | Phat32: One way or another, it's going to take some effort on your part |
| 18:05.19 | moshii | Phat32: Read the manuals before you start, you need to learn about pkgsrc and stuff before you get to far in |
| 18:05.35 | moshii | Phat32: *too far |
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| 18:06.21 | paulswm | I think the best thing to do is to learn about kernel building, it's not hard in Debian, it is a very useful thing to know, and it may fix your problem. |
| 18:06.40 | Phat32 | if I used kernel 2.6 instead of 2.4 do you think the errors might go away? |
| 18:07.00 | moshii | Phat32: Maybe, maybe more will appear. |
| 18:07.02 | paulswm | Phat32: you could try, that's an easy and quick experiment |
| 18:07.28 | Phat32 | I'm wondering how much I've screwed up |
| 18:07.36 | paulswm | But that multi-mode parameter is still in 2.6, so that indicates the problem (if it's related to that" may still appear. |
| 18:07.42 | Phat32 | fsck is findind all kinds of errors right now |
| 18:07.49 | Phat32 | finding* |
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| 18:07.58 | wezzer- | hello |
| 18:08.06 | tvn | foo: it can be done quite easily with Samba |
| 18:08.11 | wezzer- | has anyone installed midgard into debian using .deb files? |
| 18:08.13 | gravity | heh... OH NO X.org! |
| 18:08.42 | paulswm | Another thing you could do is use hdparm to fiddle with your disk parameters: for instance, try switching between the 32 bit and 16 bit interface, changing the look-ahead, or turing on and off DMA |
| 18:08.50 | moshii | Phat32: hmm your machine sounds a little like a laptop I have here |
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| 18:09.55 | streuner | gravity: what's the reason why transset isn't in debian? |
| 18:09.57 | paulswm | Unfortunatel, if you won't tell us what computer or HDD you have it's all guesswork on our part. |
| 18:10.05 | moshii | Phat32: It will only run Debian using PIO, FreeBSD works, but you have to kludge stuff to stuff the harddrive reading and writing crap |
| 18:10.06 | foo | tvn: Gocha. apt-get what? apt-get install samba? Anything else |
| 18:10.06 | paulswm | Phat32: ^^ |
| 18:10.19 | hmpr2 | do you trhink that when debian 4 is out it will have kernel 2.12 or still 2.10? and gnome 10.4 or 9.8? |
| 18:10.20 | gravity | streuner: Because I don't care about it. I've requested a maintainer for xcompmgr, and she's just getting going, so I hope she'll work on that too |
| 18:10.27 | moshii | Phat32: *to stop the harddrive |
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| 18:10.41 | paulswm | Hi streuner :) |
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| 18:10.53 | streuner | paulswm: hey |
| 18:11.12 | tvn | foo: that's about it , then go to http://localhost:631 for a web-based driven setup |
| 18:11.30 | streuner | gravity: http://www.formorer.de/gallery/debconf05/ <-- some pictures of debconf5 |
| 18:11.43 | gravity | streuner: You were there? |
| 18:11.46 | foo | tvn: hmm, I'll see if I can do this. Have you done this before? |
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| 18:11.49 | Phat32 | I had damn small linux on it |
| 18:11.49 | tvn | foo: try read this note I had https://halong.dyndns.org/~thanhvu/Computer/Linux/lusing/printer.html , it's for me to refer to whenever I have to re-set my computers ... |
| 18:11.56 | streuner | gravity: no :-) |
| 18:11.56 | Phat32 | maybe I'll go back to that |
| 18:12.01 | gravity | streuner: Who's are these? |
| 18:12.06 | gravity | whose even |
| 18:12.15 | gravity | Oh, I've seen some of these |
| 18:12.36 | streuner | gravity: german devoloper |
| 18:12.48 | paulswm | streuner: Nice pics, if one filters out the hordes of nerds, ha ha\ |
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| 18:13.17 | ticker | guys: is it completely necessary to address everyone by their nick when you are talking to them? |
| 18:13.25 | Phated | paulswm: That's nerve, coming from you, Oh Great PDP-11'er. |
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| 18:13.53 | paulswm | ticker: of course, how the heck do they know you're talking to them if you don't? |
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| 18:14.18 | gravity | ticker: It's really a good idea |
| 18:14.19 | paulswm | Phated: Heh |
| 18:14.20 | FieldySnuts | ticker: in a large channel, it helps. I am on several networks in dozens of channels, when you talk to me using my nick, the client points it out. otherwise, i would totally miss it. |
| 18:14.58 | ticker | just wondering, the context alone seems quite enough to follow the conversation, thats all :) |
| 18:15.07 | tvn | foo: yes, I have done it many times ... it will work , sharing resources (e.g., printer) from heterogeneous systems is something very common |
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| 18:15.32 | foo | tvn: Yeah, I've got all my windows boxes to print to it. Got my linux laptop to print to it, but it was a pain to configure |
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| 18:16.06 | tvn | but once configured , no need to redo it again :) |
| 18:16.16 | tvn | just like Debian's installation eh |
| 18:16.17 | paulswm | ticker: But it's harder, and somtimes the context isn't enough to unmabiguously thread a conversation |
| 18:16.51 | hagen | hello.. i need to connect some windows machines to a Debian NFS server.. do you know any how to? |
| 18:16.53 | Phated | On #d? Context? |
| 18:17.05 | paulswm | !singlishsmite Phated |
| 18:17.06 | dpkg | Phated: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 18:17.10 | paulswm | :P |
| 18:17.15 | Phated | You see? :) |
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| 18:17.36 | ixion | ive installed apach2, uncommented AddType application/x-httpd-php .php - my browser still wants me to download the php file instead of displaying it |
| 18:17.38 | ixion | help pleae :) |
| 18:17.45 | tractor | yay! got fluxbox running (sortof) |
| 18:18.17 | paulswm | hagen: I'm guessing that you could do it with cygwin installed, otherwise you'll need to exprt as Samba shares on the Linux server |
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| 18:18.50 | hagen | paulswm; thx |
| 18:18.53 | Whisky_ | ermm |
| 18:18.55 | foo | tvn: apt-get install samba and http://localhost:631 - connection refused |
| 18:19.04 | Whisky_ | who over here gave me the advice to install msttcorefonts? :S |
| 18:19.10 | Whisky_ | sorry I forgot who it was :O |
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| 18:19.52 | paulswm | hagen: the cygwin is just a guess. If it were me, I'd do the Samba shares on the Linux server, then it's easy to map them on the Windoiws boxes |
| 18:19.55 | takatumi | Whisky_: /lastlog mstt |
| 18:20.05 | tvn | foo: install cups ... |
| 18:20.11 | hingwah | help lastlog |
| 18:20.16 | foo | tvn: ah, so I need cups & samba |
| 18:20.17 | hingwah | oops sorry |
| 18:20.23 | Whisky_ | takatumi, I rebooted my system.... |
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| 18:20.39 | foo | tvn: hmm, do I really need samba? I have a samba server on this network. hmm |
| 18:20.43 | takatumi | Whisky_: moshii |
| 18:20.46 | paulswm | anyway, later, ladies and gentlemen, and I use those two words loosely |
| 18:20.55 | Whisky_ | oh kkk |
| 18:20.57 | Whisky_ | thanks |
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| 18:21.16 | tvn | foo: yep ... 631 is the port to configure printers via cups |
| 18:21.25 | tvn | foo: there might be other ways but I use samba ... so |
| 18:21.39 | foo | tvn: I see |
| 18:22.27 | foo | tvn: cupsys-client - right? |
| 18:22.58 | hagen | paulswm: yes i understand that.. i 've trying with SFU [http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/default.mspx] |
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| 18:23.38 | hagen | paulswm: but it is a bit hard for me.. imho it lacks a lot of doc... |
| 18:23.58 | tvn | foo: I don't know/remember which one to get .... my debian system dpkg -l | grep cups give a whole bunch of cups package. You can try installing a minimal one then install more as needed |
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| 18:24.31 | ixion | can someone please tell me the correct way to load php support into apache2 |
| 18:24.42 | foo | tvn: gocha |
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| 18:24.52 | ixion | what is this mods-enabled/available mechanism ? |
| 18:24.59 | hagen | ixion: i guess i got php module loaded? |
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| 18:25.17 | Whisky_ | ixion, pico /etc/apache/httpd.conf and uncomment the line with the .php and .phps extensions |
| 18:25.24 | Lumination | hey what is the debian equivalent of rc.local ? |
| 18:25.26 | Whisky_ | besides that, u need to have the php4-apache module installed. |
| 18:25.29 | ixion | I did apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 18:25.33 | ixion | and I did apt-get install php |
| 18:25.39 | ixion | and I umcommented the AddType's for PHP |
| 18:25.40 | black13 | is there a command to autoconfigure or at least scan the hard ware so xorg.conf file can be created for debian |
| 18:25.42 | ixion | still not working |
| 18:25.54 | Whisky_ | ixion, Start and Stop apache, not just restart and u should be all set. |
| 18:26.01 | hagen | ixion: u make /etc/init.d/apache2 restart | reload? |
| 18:26.03 | ixion | ah, I did a reload/restart |
| 18:26.03 | gravity | black13: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:26.09 | ixion | not a stop start - Ill try that |
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| 18:27.12 | ixion | no, still doesnt work - it wants me to download the php file |
| 18:27.29 | black13 | gravity does the scan the hardware? |
| 18:27.51 | ixion | surely this mods-enabled and mods-available exists for a reason and I need to do something there? |
| 18:28.07 | Whisky_ | ixion, #apache |
| 18:28.41 | Lumination | anyone? |
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| 18:30.52 | sepski | ixion, apache or apache2 ? |
| 18:31.23 | Lumination | does anyone know what rc.local is in debian? |
| 18:31.41 | streuner | dpkg, rc.local |
| 18:31.41 | dpkg | methinks rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 18:31.43 | sepski | !rc.local |
| 18:31.47 | elkid | !print |
| 18:31.47 | dpkg | from memory, print is see printer |
| 18:32.09 | Lumination | cool, thanks |
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| 18:33.25 | Lumination | debian uses the standard run-level numbering, right? (5 would be the norm) |
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| 18:33.39 | sepski | Lumination, there is no standard for runlevels, |
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| 18:33.45 | nomed^ | hi |
| 18:33.48 | sepski | Lumination, 2 is the default. |
| 18:33.53 | Lumination | ah okay |
| 18:33.55 | Lumination | thanks |
| 18:34.28 | sepski | Lumination, if you want grafical login, install one of xdm, gdm, kdm if you don't you get console login |
| 18:34.40 | sepski | Lumination, but your allways in runlevel 2 |
| 18:35.24 | nomed^ | is it possible to use an apt mirror like file:///media/hdc/ with pbuilder? |
| 18:35.29 | ixion | sepski: apache2 |
| 18:35.36 | ixion | #apache couldnt help |
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| 18:36.19 | ixion | I do not have any LoadModule entries in apache2.conf - I need to know what this mods-enabled/available mechanism is, as I need to laod the module |
| 18:36.47 | sepski | ixion, and you installed libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
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| 18:36.51 | ixion | yes |
| 18:37.12 | ixion | libapache2-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
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| 18:37.27 | ixion | php4 is already the newest version. |
| 18:37.43 | tvn | ixion: mods-available are the modules available to be used . mods-enabled are modules that are already enabled . |
| 18:37.52 | sepski | ixion, and php4mod is enabled ie it's symlinked from /etc/apache/mods-enebled ? |
| 18:37.52 | Lumination | okay... this is really complicated... all I want to do is do an insmod on startup... how the hell is this done? the man page for update-rc.d is really complicated to me |
| 18:37.53 | ixion | mods-enabled is emply |
| 18:37.59 | tvn | ixion: check to see if php4.load .conf is in your mods-enabled |
| 18:38.22 | ixion | so its no, as mods-enabled is empty but noone has been able to tell me how I am supposed to enable them so far - I should symlink? |
| 18:38.27 | Pego | is dd a good idea to backup / on a external Drive ? for be able to boot on it if there is probleme ? ( rsync is better ?) |
| 18:38.30 | sepski | ixion, that's not normal. you can choose if you want to enable manualy, with a2enmod or purge and reinstall everything. |
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| 18:38.40 | sepski | ixion, a2enmods |
| 18:38.47 | sepski | ixion, a2enmod |
| 18:38.49 | tvn | Lumination: put what you want to load in /etc/modules |
| 18:38.58 | ixion | oki, installed |
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| 18:39.22 | ixion | bah, it still wants me to download the php file |
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| 18:39.31 | ixion | ooo or does it |
| 18:39.34 | Lumination | sweet |
| 18:39.37 | sepski | ixion, you enebled php4 and restarted apache ? |
| 18:39.49 | ixion | aha! |
| 18:39.51 | jm_ | hello. what's the right way to use Enlightenment with GNOME? I'm using GDM to start GNOME, but I couldn't start enlightenment from the GDM. |
| 18:39.57 | ixion | yeh, I had reopen firefox tho |
| 18:39.58 | ixion | thanks! |
| 18:40.04 | Lumination | do you absolutely have to have ide-scsi for an ide cdrw ? |
| 18:40.05 | sepski | ixion, np |
| 18:40.16 | sepski | Lumination, not on 2.6 iirc |
| 18:40.26 | notcbr | jm_: you need to use enlighment INSTEAD of gdm |
| 18:40.40 | Isumi | notcbr, that's wrong |
| 18:41.03 | notcbr | jm_: try dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 18:41.06 | Lumination | herm... well maybe you can help me figure out why my CD drive is just recognized as a regular cdrom and not a cdrw? |
| 18:41.09 | Isumi | jm_, you need to add enlightenment in the configuration of gdm |
| 18:41.17 | jm_ | oh, thx! |
| 18:41.28 | Isumi | i think there is a file like "xsessions" somewhere |
| 18:41.38 | notcbr | Isumi: ? enlightment can be used without gdm |
| 18:41.43 | notcbr | enlightment does the same as gdm |
| 18:41.53 | Isumi | but wan be uses with gdm too if he wants to |
| 18:42.01 | sepski | notcbr, enlightenment has it's own login system ? |
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| 18:42.21 | notcbr | sepski: it doesnt? |
| 18:42.46 | Isumi | i used enligthenment with gdm |
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| 18:43.12 | notcbr | AH |
| 18:43.21 | Lumination | Anyone know a good HOWTO to get my CD burner going? |
| 18:43.28 | notcbr | lol.. i thought enlightment was E's login manager |
| 18:43.30 | notcbr | sry :p |
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| 18:43.54 | tvn | Lumination: I had some notes on it but it was for kernel 2.4 |
| 18:44.04 | garou | Entrance is Enlightenments display manager. |
| 18:44.10 | notcbr | yes, i remember now |
| 18:44.25 | Lumination | yeah all I can find is telling me to load the ide-scsi emulation module and such |
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| 18:44.58 | jm_ | This Entrance is part of Enlightenment DR16.7.1 or is it part of the new DR17? |
| 18:45.04 | tvn | I now use Windows for CD/DVD burning :) |
| 18:45.28 | dhurdsk | congratulation |
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| 18:46.01 | Lumination | widows |
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| 18:47.14 | Nach | I just rebooted my PC and X doesn't want to start, can someone help me work this out? |
| 18:47.42 | deigo | 2 questions. Is there any way to test cron jobs easily, and is there any way to get ssh to allow a connection to me even though im going to be listed in the hosts.deny (all) and not in the hosts.allow (because i have a dynamic ip) through some mechanism? |
| 18:48.00 | deigo | s/to me/from me |
| 18:48.06 | Nach | My /var/log/Xorg.0.log says Fatal server error Caught signal 11 |
| 18:48.19 | tvn | bah .... whatever is convenient . I am not binded that I *must* use Linux for all tasks |
| 18:48.26 | ixion | whats the default imap server called? or where is its config file? |
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| 18:48.51 | tractorBeam | hey look at me! chatting from my new debian bix :) |
| 18:48.56 | deigo | uw-imap works, made be the university of washington, im not aware of what the 'default' one is though, use apt-cache search imap |
| 18:49.01 | deigo | s/be/by |
| 18:49.04 | tractorBeam | er box |
| 18:49.07 | sepski | Lumination, what does cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus say ? |
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| 18:49.36 | sepski | Lumination, also try cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 18:49.41 | ixion | during a dist upgrade I screwed my imap auth, I need to revert back to a less secure authencitaion |
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| 18:49.54 | ixion | anyone know how? /etc/imapd.conf has very little info |
| 18:50.40 | fpmc | Hi, i'm trying to get my Fn keys to work on my laptop. Many docs tell me to use xev to capture keycode, then use various programs like hotkeys to handle them. But under xev, the Fn key is not detected...??? |
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| 18:50.59 | Xenguy | deigo: to test cron easily you could just create (touch file) a dummy file, and/or delete it... |
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| 18:51.24 | Xenguy | deigo: re SSH: you want to ssh out of your box, or into it from the outside? |
| 18:51.30 | sepski | fpmc, some keyboards dont send keycodes for special keys until you load a drivere and initialize the keyboard to do just that |
| 18:51.56 | deigo | Xenguy: not test cron, test a particular cron job |
| 18:52.02 | mfrisch | i cant get xforwarding to work with ssh. |
| 18:52.07 | deigo | and i want to ssh into another box i control at an offsite location |
| 18:52.13 | fpmc | sepski: ok. Apparently the driver should be i8k, and I set it up in kernel, but it doesn't work :( |
| 18:52.17 | sepski | !sshx |
| 18:52.17 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:52.20 | deigo | without allowing ssh to the world (that is, leaving my hosts.allow and hosts.deny files the way they are) |
| 18:52.35 | sepski | fpmc, then i dunno, i dont have sucgh a keyboard |
| 18:52.44 | tvn | sepski: how do you remember all the keywords for the bot ? |
| 18:52.48 | mfrisch | sepski thanks |
| 18:52.56 | deigo | i don't have x installed on that box |
| 18:53.13 | deigo | and im using putty here on win32 |
| 18:53.21 | deigo | will that still be applicable? |
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| 18:53.33 | sepski | tvn: i only remember those that are asked 3-4 times a day, the others i search up with listkeys searchphrase |
| 18:53.52 | deigo | yeah, no, that seems like its only for remote xserver sessions |
| 18:54.47 | deigo | and that wouldn't work because ssh won't let me send a user and pass, as im listed in hosts.deny (by the all rule) and not listed in hosts.allow |
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| 18:55.05 | deigo | adding all of bellsouth's subnets which i might have effectively makes the firewalling null. |
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| 18:55.27 | deigo | there has to be some sort of certificate or something that can be exchanged and will allow me access |
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| 18:55.41 | bujin | hi |
| 18:56.20 | Whisky_ | how do i capture my screen in KDE ? |
| 18:56.28 | resiak | !screenshot |
| 18:56.28 | dpkg | screenshot is, like, 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 18:56.41 | sepski | deigo, im not 100% sure on hosts.allow deny, but perhaps using hostname instead of ip in hosts.allow and setting up a dyndns hostname on your ip might do some good ? |
| 18:56.45 | bujin | can anybody recommend me a p2p program? |
| 18:56.55 | sepski | bujin, mldonkey |
| 18:57.00 | bujin | ok |
| 18:57.04 | sepski | bujin, dont think it's in debian anymore tho... |
| 18:57.22 | bujin | so i couldnt apt-get it? |
| 18:57.29 | Nach | Whisky_, open up KSnapshot |
| 18:57.44 | Xenguy | bujin: there's gtk-gnutella |
| 18:57.45 | sepski | bujin, depends on what version sarge you run i guess search for it |
| 18:58.00 | bujin | ok |
| 18:58.14 | Whisky_ | thanx |
| 18:58.17 | tvn | bujin: you can get the edonkey core and the deb file for the gui .... |
| 18:59.25 | bujin | but what is the diference between mldonkey and edonkey? |
| 19:00.07 | sepski | bujin, mldonkey is a program edonkey is a p2p protocol |
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| 19:00.11 | GodKilla- | is there a way of reinstalling debian without having to reinstall all ym software? |
| 19:00.15 | GodKilla- | my* |
| 19:00.17 | sepski | !reinstall |
| 19:00.17 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 19:00.40 | GodKilla- | wha? |
| 19:00.44 | bujin | ok got it |
| 19:00.45 | bujin | thanks |
| 19:00.46 | sepski | GodKilla-, reinstall without reinstalling.. a bit vauge thatone but.. |
| 19:01.01 | GodKilla- | i mean my programs |
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| 19:01.14 | GodKilla- | other than debian |
| 19:01.20 | sepski | GodKilla-, if you mean reinstall all packages on your system then that's the command you want |
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| 19:01.45 | sepski | GodKilla-, now your confusing again. |
| 19:01.52 | GodKilla- | well, i mean everything without debian |
| 19:02.06 | foo | tvn: What do I put for device? AppSocket/HP Direct... LPD/LPR Host or Printer... this is the part that confuses me |
| 19:02.07 | ixion | Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins are disabled | uw-imapd, does anyone know how to enable plain text again dpkg-reconfigure is not giving me any options about plain text |
| 19:02.07 | GodKilla- | no, i want to reinstall debian |
| 19:02.24 | GodKilla- | sepski: because people in ehre told me my debian is borked |
| 19:02.47 | GodKilla- | sepski: but i dotn want to install my programs all again |
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| 19:02.56 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 19:03.02 | GodKilla- | heya |
| 19:03.13 | sepski | GodKilla-, you want to reinstall, but not have to install manualy all programs one by one ? |
| 19:03.15 | tvn | foo: first you want to run smbclient -L name_of_remote_host -N to see the name of the printer ... and to be sure your samba sees that host |
| 19:03.42 | jok63 | hi all, does anybody know a german irc-site? |
| 19:03.44 | GodKilla- | sepski: if it is possible to install them again in 1 turn, taht be great |
| 19:03.48 | sepski | perhas you need to dpkg --get-selection. put that in a file. reinstall, use set-selection and then you are back at your current packagelist |
| 19:03.49 | Fox_1_ | anyone can give me free eggdrop shell place? |
| 19:03.54 | tvn | foo: then For Device choose "Windows Printer via SAMBA".Device URI: smb://name_of_remote_host/name_of_printer_listed_in_above_cmd |
| 19:04.41 | Xenguy | GodKilla-: what sepski said was what I was trying to recall :-) |
| 19:04.48 | afabian | Anyone that gives out shells for running IRC bots is an idiot. |
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| 19:05.03 | sepski | GodKilla-, it's dpkg --get-selections (with s) but youd find the exact thing in man dpkg |
| 19:05.06 | Fox_1_ | ?? |
| 19:05.14 | afabian | Unless it's dpkg. He's special. |
| 19:05.19 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hello. how are you? |
| 19:05.30 | dddss | tvn: what program do you u use for printing? |
| 19:05.41 | GodKilla- | sepski, k thanks |
| 19:05.50 | tvn | dddss: I use cups |
| 19:06.02 | resiak | Why the hell does GodKilla- want to do the packages one by one? |
| 19:06.08 | sepski | GodKilla-, you must ofcouse store that file somewhere you can get it after you reinstall. then feed it back to dpkg with --set-selections |
| 19:06.10 | resiak | *boggle* |
| 19:06.13 | sepski | after you'v reinstaleld |
| 19:06.16 | dddss | tvn: to print in a remote printer windows i need to install cups then? |
| 19:06.29 | GodKilla- | sepski, ofc, ^^ |
| 19:06.37 | GodKilla- | resiak, i dont |
| 19:06.42 | tvn | dddss: no , but that (cups) is the method I use .. there are other ways |
| 19:06.45 | jok63 | bye |
| 19:06.48 | sepski | GodKilla-, well i thought i should spell it out.. you never know |
| 19:06.50 | sepski | :) |
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| 19:07.01 | dddss | tvn: what method u suggest to me ? |
| 19:07.12 | Whisky_ | the 2.6.x kernels have the NTFS driver embedded ? |
| 19:07.18 | sepski | dddss, cups is the most used method afaik. |
| 19:07.27 | tvn | dddss: you can do like I do, which is a popular method , use cups with samba for sharing resources on windows ... |
| 19:07.30 | resiak | Whisky_: Read, not write. |
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| 19:07.39 | dddss | ok i try |
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| 19:07.59 | Whisky_ | resiak, Yup. How do i mount my Windows drives? |
| 19:08.01 | sepski | Whisky_, /msg dpkg ntfs and /msg dpkg read-ntfs |
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| 19:08.24 | Whisky_ | k |
| 19:08.30 | NachPlus | So can anyone help me |
| 19:08.30 | NachPlus | ? |
| 19:08.31 | resiak | !beer sepski |
| 19:08.37 | resiak | sepski: you're really doing overtime this evening |
| 19:08.42 | sepski | resiak, hmm.. have vacation :) |
| 19:08.43 | nagual | to be sure of what? |
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| 19:08.55 | sepski | resiak, no work |
| 19:08.59 | resiak | nagual: You've never been to Ireland. |
| 19:09.06 | resiak | sepski: Hooray! |
| 19:09.17 | dddss | what packages i need to install cups? |
| 19:09.18 | Whisky_ | sepski, A bit too short... |
| 19:09.28 | sepski | resiak, now i got a very very deep craving for beer... |
| 19:09.31 | bujin | i already downloaded the kmldonkey but i need the core ??? |
| 19:09.33 | nagual | thats why im asking dpkg, sure of what |
| 19:09.35 | sepski | darn you resiak. :) |
| 19:09.37 | Whisky_ | ill get it sorted, np |
| 19:10.02 | bujin | what is the name of the core i have to download |
| 19:10.02 | resiak | nagual: You know that dpkg is a bot, don't you? "To be sure" is an Irish general "yeah" phrase. |
| 19:10.06 | GodKilla- | sepski: dpkg --get-selections gives me a list longer than my console |
| 19:10.15 | resiak | sepski: I'm going to the pub in a minute. ;) |
| 19:10.18 | sepski | GodKilla-, you redirect it to a file |
| 19:10.19 | nagual | i see |
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| 19:10.30 | sepski | dpkg --get-selections > mylistofpackages.txt |
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| 19:10.53 | GodKilla- | thx |
| 19:11.04 | sepski | GodKilla-, put that file on something then after you have reinstalled you feed it back to dpkg |
| 19:11.15 | Pego | hi |
| 19:11.29 | Pego | is dd good for make a copy of / ? |
| 19:11.30 | sepski | !tell bujin about msg |
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| 19:12.13 | bujin | sepski, i want to know what more i have to install also of installing kmldonkey |
| 19:12.17 | sepski | Pego, depends on your needs. if you only need the files you can do a tarball if you need an exact image of your / partition with size and all doa dd |
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| 19:12.51 | sepski | bujin, i dont use the kmldonkey gui's |
| 19:12.55 | Pego | sepski: i want copy my aprtitions on an external DD for boot on it in case of crash |
| 19:13.05 | Pego | sepski: and make a backup |
| 19:13.09 | sepski | bujin, i only use the mldonkey-server then use the internal webbased management |
| 19:13.25 | sepski | Pego, if you want to clone a drive then dd is your friend |
| 19:13.28 | xsdg | resiak: moo :o) |
| 19:13.37 | dddss | what is the package for cups? |
| 19:13.45 | bujin | sepski, but what is the name of the core i can use with kmldonkey |
| 19:13.47 | Pego | sepski, even if small data pass quick on / ? |
| 19:13.55 | crazy2k | sepski: I'm still having problems getting my Debian connected. Everything's perfectly set up. There seems to be a problem with resolving. |
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| 19:14.01 | sepski | bujin, mldonkey-server |
| 19:14.07 | resiak | xsdg: Baaaaa |
| 19:14.22 | BeTraVE | dddss, cupsys |
| 19:14.46 | dddss | BeTraVE thanks |
| 19:14.52 | sepski | crazy2k, i installed the pppoe package just for you, and in the docs in /usr/share/doc/pppoe it saies you need to use a usepeerdns argument to grab the dns servers |
| 19:15.00 | sepski | crazy2k, ie read the docs |
| 19:15.04 | afabian | crazy2k, everything perfect + problem = contradiction |
| 19:15.35 | sepski | Pego, dd is a bit slow -bs=somehigh number can speed it up significantly |
| 19:16.07 | Pego | sepski at whatcost ? |
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| 19:17.18 | Pego | sepski : and what you think of rsync for big partition with data ? |
| 19:17.19 | crazy2k | I thought I had already read all the documents that were available. |
| 19:17.23 | elkid | what packages will i need to set up a printer with cups, there are so many diferents |
| 19:17.25 | crazy2k | Let me see. |
| 19:17.28 | sepski | Pego, rsync to do what ? |
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| 19:17.48 | sepski | Pego, no real cost. just dont fill you mem with it :P |
| 19:17.49 | FieldySnuts | rsync is great |
| 19:17.56 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Let's dance! |
| 19:18.08 | sepski | Pego, rsync is the best thing since sliced bread an i do most of my backups with it in one way or another |
| 19:18.30 | afabian | No cost. It's buffering. dd defaults to 512 byte blocks, which is stupid and slow an inefficient. I don't think a modern IDE harddrive can physically *read* less than 4k at a time. So, if you want to read 512-byte blocks, you make 4 requests to do what could have been done in 1. |
| 19:18.51 | TNKS | hi all. I've tried finding XFree documentation about this, but haven't found anything yet. In X86Config-4, if there's two screens/monitors, how does X correctly map them to right physical device? |
| 19:18.52 | afabian | er, 8, isn't it. |
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| 19:20.03 | JohnnyST | TNKS: What card do you have? |
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| 19:21.21 | Pego | sepski: for sync two dir for backup a large dir |
| 19:21.25 | TNKS | JohnnyST, I have the Radeon Mobility 9600 that comes with a Thinkpad. |
| 19:21.32 | crazy2k | sepski, remember you told me to copy the information from Ubuntu's resolv.conf? Well, Debian is updating that file automatically too. That's why I say everything seems to be properly set up, but apparently it's not. |
| 19:21.41 | foo | tvn: I don't see "Windows Printer via Samba" next to Device: - but for smbclient -L ip -N I do see: office Printer hp officejet 6100 series |
| 19:22.02 | sepski | crazy2k, i never said that, dont remember who did |
| 19:22.15 | JohnnyST | TNKS: Hmm ok I had a configuration that worked on Radeon but I think it is gone now. |
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| 19:22.42 | crazy2k | Oh, sorrry, thought it was you. |
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| 19:23.00 | TNKS | JohnnyST, I'll take whatever you think you have. Pastebin.ca works for me. |
| 19:23.30 | JohnnyST | TNKS: I had a harddisk crash so I think it is gone now.. |
| 19:23.32 | afabian | I don't think Debian touches /etc/resolv.conf unless you have the resolvconf package installed, which isn't typically going to be necessary. Could have been pulled in as a dependency. I'd try to remove it, or just configure it to work properly if it is a depend. |
| 19:23.32 | sepski | crazy2k, check if you have resolveconf package installed, and read the docs of that package if you do |
| 19:23.38 | TNKS | I don't need an explicit config file. Really, I'm just confused about XFree. |
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| 19:23.56 | JohnnyST | TNKS: There are howtos on the net.. |
| 19:23.58 | resiak | afabian: Yeah, get rid of it, resolvconf is shit :) |
| 19:24.39 | TNKS | JohnnyST, I'll see what I can find. Any key words I should target? Because most of what I've found hasn't addressed the isse of dual-head clearly. |
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| 19:25.51 | JohnnyST | TNKS: I could get the config file from my frend if you can wait a day or two.. |
| 19:26.00 | raboof | the kdelibs4 package (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/kdelibs4) depends on libaspell15 which isn't available. how do i work around that? `apt-get install kde' seems to fail because of that (this is debian unstable) |
| 19:26.04 | raboof | any ideas? |
| 19:26.07 | asg | raboof: /topic |
| 19:26.10 | asg | raboof: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:26.15 | asg | raboof: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 19:26.51 | resiak | !ddasmite $1 is <action> repeatedly stabs $1 with debian-devel-announce, the list to which all Sid users should be subscribed. lists.debian.org |
| 19:26.51 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 19:27.17 | FieldySnuts | !insult resiak |
| 19:27.19 | dpkg | resiak is nothing but a folly-fallen stack of toad-spotted pus |
| 19:27.28 | notcbr | can i somehow disable sshd from being started on every startup? |
| 19:27.30 | asg | sounds like what I had for lunch |
| 19:27.31 | notcbr | i mean i dont need it |
| 19:27.40 | asg | notcbr: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 19:27.40 | resiak | ~annoy FieldySnuts |
| 19:27.44 | resiak | Bah |
| 19:27.52 | asg | notcbr: when it asks if you need it started at boot, say no. |
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| 19:28.05 | notcbr | asg: it doesnt ask anything |
| 19:28.13 | sepski | notcbr, dpkg-reconfigure -plow ssh |
| 19:28.21 | Pego | sepski: but this is twice more slow than cp no ? |
| 19:28.28 | notcbr | sepski: still nothing |
| 19:28.46 | sepski | Pego, naturally dd will take longer, it copies everything on the partition, even the emthy bits. |
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| 19:28.56 | asg | notcbr: are you using unstable? |
| 19:29.00 | notcbr | asg: yes |
| 19:29.09 | asg | notcbr: then remove openssh-server |
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| 19:29.59 | asg | notcbr: unstable has split the ssh package into client and server pieces. |
| 19:30.11 | ixion | anyone know how to add cram-md5 authentication to debian ? |
| 19:30.34 | notcbr | thanks asg |
| 19:30.38 | crazy2k | sepski, I don't have it. I'll have to download it using Ubuntu and move it to the other partition somehow. |
| 19:30.42 | black13 | what debian package installs "du" |
| 19:30.47 | asg | ixion: probably with sasl (apt-cache search cram md5) |
| 19:30.58 | asg | black13: dpkg -S du |
| 19:31.21 | sepski | crazy2k, to get resolve to work on debian you can just edit resolve.conf manualy. once your in. |
| 19:31.31 | asg | black13: or dpkg -S bin/du (to prevent the onslaught) |
| 19:31.58 | black13 | yep |
| 19:32.43 | crazy2k | sepski, I wish I knew what to write there. |
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| 19:33.03 | asg | crazy2k: man 5 resolv.conf |
| 19:33.04 | sepski | crazy2k, write nameserver 200.51.254.207 |
| 19:33.18 | Lanz | Hey guys I got a couple quick questions... |
| 19:33.21 | sepski | crazy2k, that is assuming speedy.com.br is your real isp |
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| 19:33.41 | Lanz | Do Debian's XOrg packages have built in support for 3D (DRI) on ATI cards? |
| 19:33.41 | black13 | black13 hasnt taken his mood stablizers today ... now wonder he feels restless |
| 19:34.37 | asg | !drug black13 |
| 19:34.37 | Pego | sepski: thanks for you're info |
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| 19:34.56 | Xenguy | .oO(mood stabalizers?) |
| 19:35.10 | ma3x | you know a good cd/dvd burner for debian? |
| 19:35.11 | black13 | !drug asg |
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| 19:36.13 | black13 | hey the ! command is fun |
| 19:36.20 | crazy2k | sepski, sorry if I'm pissing you off, but, as I said, resolv.conf already has that information. Somehow it managed to get that IP and write it there but it's still not resolving for some reason. (And my ISP is speedy.com.ar, actually) |
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| 19:36.32 | asg | black13: /msg dpkg help (for all the glory) ; practice in #debian-bots |
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| 19:37.03 | sepski | crazy2k, nad you can ping that ip ? |
| 19:37.18 | ma3x | do you know a good CD/DVD burner? |
| 19:37.26 | notcbr | program? |
| 19:37.43 | asg | ma3x: anything by HP is usually fine in my experience. |
| 19:37.57 | black13 | asg do you know anything about xorg? |
| 19:38.01 | dan2_ | asg: yo |
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| 19:38.03 | notcbr | the NEC ones were said to kick ass |
| 19:38.05 | dan2_ | asg: you know java? ;) |
| 19:38.12 | mud | ma3x: i use liteon |
| 19:38.19 | FieldySnuts | i've found plextor is the only way to go |
| 19:38.25 | asg | black13: my sid laptop is running it right now. It starts slower than the old X. Other than that, it isn't any different. |
| 19:38.27 | crazy2k | sepski, I don't know. I'd have to try that. Is there anything else you'd like me to do? |
| 19:38.36 | Lanz | Do Debian's XOrg packages support 3d acceleration on Radeon 7500 chips? |
| 19:38.37 | black13 | dan2, i do (java) |
| 19:38.37 | FieldySnuts | my boss whines a lot about his newer NEC, says he should have stuck with plextor. but that's just one case |
| 19:38.51 | JohnnyST | Lanz: Yes they should. |
| 19:38.55 | asg | dan2_: I wrote a logic pedagogy tool in Java before it was 1.0. I don't use it much anymore though. |
| 19:38.56 | sepski | crazy2k, try a nslookup directly towards speedy.com's nameserver |
| 19:39.00 | afabian | Pioneer and Sony are the top-tier manufacturers in optical media and drives to my knowledge. |
| 19:39.04 | black13 | asg, are you using debian xorg packages or a raw build of xorg? |
| 19:39.07 | dan2_ | asg: theres a spot open on my development team... I want more developers ! ;) |
| 19:39.11 | asg | black13: the sid packages. |
| 19:39.26 | crazy2k | Ok, BRB. |
| 19:39.28 | black13 | dan2_ hey are you hiring ? |
| 19:39.33 | dan2_ | black13: open source |
| 19:39.35 | sepski | crazy2k, and when your in debian, start a irc client and type in /server 212.204.214.114 |
| 19:39.36 | asg | dan2_: I've done the rounds this year, Java, Python, etc. I'm back at C, Perl and shell. |
| 19:39.42 | dan2_ | asg: heh |
| 19:39.45 | sepski | crazy2k, should get you on irc even without a resolv.conf |
| 19:39.47 | black13 | dan2_ oh so you mean no pay? |
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| 19:39.49 | asg | dan2_: I'd love to help but Java just rubs me the wrong way. |
| 19:39.57 | sepski | crazy2k, if your other network settings is ok that is |
| 19:39.58 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 19:40.05 | ma3x | do you know a good CD/DVD burner software? |
| 19:40.09 | Whisky_ | ermmm.....Any ideas on how to import that lame Micro$0ft license for WMA files to be played on Noatun ? |
| 19:40.10 | FieldySnuts | cdrecord |
| 19:40.11 | ma3x | not hardware |
| 19:40.12 | notcbr | k3b |
| 19:40.19 | sepski | crazy2k, host irc.freenode.net to get a list of ip's you can try in debian |
| 19:40.21 | dan2_ | black13: not for development; but I'm going to be selling services and boxes with the software on it |
| 19:40.21 | black13 | ma3x cdrtools |
| 19:40.22 | Lanz | Ok, cause I'm currently running my laptop's Radeon 7500 with outdated XF86 drivers, its running stable, are the XOrg backports stable yet? |
| 19:40.25 | Whisky_ | not WMA but the protected stuff... |
| 19:40.27 | asg | dan2_: If I run into anyone at work who is interested, I'll send 'em your way though. |
| 19:40.33 | ma3x | black13 is it for DVD as well? |
| 19:40.37 | dan2_ | asg: you're using the wrong IDE |
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| 19:40.45 | FieldySnuts | Whisky_: forget it. blame microsoft and customers who accept the shit. |
| 19:40.46 | JohnnyST | Whisky_: I think that is a problem. |
| 19:40.50 | dan2_ | asg: once you start using IntellJ IDEA you'll never go back |
| 19:40.51 | asg | dan2_: Unix *is* the IDE |
| 19:41.03 | resiak | Whisky_: Interestingly, replacing so with $0 doesn't change the answer. |
| 19:41.06 | FieldySnuts | !fuck java |
| 19:41.08 | asg | dan2_: it's the language that's the problem ;) |
| 19:41.10 | dan2_ | asg: you can't use emacs or vim to code java |
| 19:41.11 | black13 | dan2_ i can make awesome lean mean debian distro 42 megs |
| 19:41.17 | JohnnyST | Whisky_: Or we can call it a trap as well becous thats what it is. |
| 19:41.19 | deigo | im out |
| 19:41.25 | Whisky_ | resiak, I dont want FBI on my back =p |
| 19:41.30 | dan2_ | asg: against popular belief, it just doesn't work |
| 19:41.32 | FieldySnuts | asg: looks like a cluebie latched onto you. |
| 19:41.33 | ma3x | black13: is cdrtools free? |
| 19:41.34 | Whisky_ | so no protected content for me? |
| 19:41.38 | black13 | dan2_ i have been working on debian derivative for gaming |
| 19:41.44 | asg | FieldySnuts: bah, you know dan. |
| 19:41.47 | black13 | ma3x free as in freedom |
| 19:41.50 | resiak | Whisky_: OMG! |
| 19:41.53 | asg | dan2_: Unix as the IDE? |
| 19:41.53 | FieldySnuts | Whisky_: nope. tell whoever made the content to support other operating systems. |
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| 19:42.01 | mud | dan2_:you can use vim to code java ive never used emacs but you probably can there too |
| 19:42.04 | Whisky_ | lol -.- |
| 19:42.07 | Pego | sepski: no way to increase speed of rsync ? because i rsync 2 drive in local :/ |
| 19:42.08 | ma3x | E: Couldn't find package cdrtools |
| 19:42.16 | ma3x | i find cdrtools-doc but not cdrtools |
| 19:42.20 | asg | dan2_: are you still using OCaml or has that been replaced? |
| 19:42.21 | ma3x | weird. why/ |
| 19:42.24 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate dan2_ |
| 19:42.25 | dpkg | dan2_: wenas who uses sound hello? |
| 19:42.33 | black13 | asg, do you use debian packages for xorg? |
| 19:42.33 | dan2_ | asg: I use jython with java |
| 19:42.37 | sepski | Pego, when your finished your copying, run rsync again, then youll look at impressive speeds :) |
| 19:42.39 | asg | black13: yes |
| 19:42.40 | dan2_ | asg: and groovy |
| 19:42.44 | asg | dan2_: ewww |
| 19:42.50 | sepski | Pego, rsync is a very good tool but yes it takes a while the first time. |
| 19:42.54 | dan2_ | asg: speeds up development like no other |
| 19:42.59 | black13 | asg, i see i build it myself for etch |
| 19:43.12 | FieldySnuts | people who "code" stuff in java annoy me greatly, i so much wish they'd do their work in far less license encumbered languages (this IS a debian community after all) |
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| 19:43.26 | Pego | sepski: you're right it's only for the first time |
| 19:43.32 | elmagozizou | Hi...I need an Opinion aboy QTparted in coparision to Gparted... |
| 19:43.35 | ma3x | why can't i find cdrtools with in apt-cache |
| 19:43.42 | JohnnyST | Whisky_ |
| 19:43.42 | dan2_ | FieldySnuts: its just that the free java vms suck |
| 19:43.44 | JohnnyST | oops |
| 19:43.45 | elmagozizou | about* |
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| 19:43.48 | resiak | !tell elmagozizou -about bad polls |
| 19:43.54 | dan2_ | FieldySnuts: erm, free java classpath |
| 19:43.54 | JohnnyST | FieldySnuts: I agree with that. |
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| 19:44.08 | mud | FieldySnuts, what do reccommend as an alternative to java thats similar |
| 19:44.30 | Whisky_ | JohnnyST, yes? |
| 19:44.49 | JohnnyST | Whisky_: It was nothing :) |
| 19:44.51 | dan2_ | asg: the language search has stopped |
| 19:44.57 | dan2_ | asg: I've landed at java ... |
| 19:45.05 | dogmeat | how do i tell if a /dev/hda is not mounted? |
| 19:45.05 | gravity | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:45.10 | dan2_ | asg: when java is too slow I speed it up in C |
| 19:45.16 | ivan | My Compaq Presario M2000 laptop just hangs when booting up after a succesful install |
| 19:45.22 | dan2_ | gravity: ? |
| 19:45.33 | sepski | ma3x, the cdrtools are in thir own packages. install cdrecod mkisofs and cdda2wav |
| 19:45.38 | gravity | dan2_: I laugh at your java |
| 19:45.49 | sepski | ma3x, or read apt-cache show cdrtools-doc |
| 19:45.53 | gravity | dan2_: Mainly because I hear other people bitch about java all the time |
| 19:46.05 | dan2_ | gravity: I bitch about java all the time too |
| 19:46.06 | elmagozizou | resiak, ok...is just because i read that QTparted is not stable and is a litle bit risk...Can I really trust in this program? |
| 19:46.13 | gravity | heh |
| 19:46.21 | dan2_ | gravity: but altho its cumbersome, its still ok to program in |
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| 19:46.29 | gravity | dan2_: Yeah, there are definitely worse languages |
| 19:46.43 | sepski | elmagozizou, if by trust you mean resize partitions without backups then _hell_ no you dont trust any program that far. allways have backups !! |
| 19:46.45 | crazy3k | sepski, I could not ping the namservers. |
| 19:46.49 | resiak | elmagozizou: You should anticipate losing _everything_ whenever you repartition, whatever the program, and so take backups |
| 19:46.49 | dan2_ | gravity: the biggest part of java that rubs me the wrong way is the lack of unsigned types |
| 19:46.57 | ivan | /etc/rcS.d/S36/discover: line204:407 segmentation fault |
| 19:47.11 | Whisky_ | np |
| 19:47.19 | dan2_ | gravity: I can't do my audio processing sanely in java |
| 19:47.23 | elmagozizou | ok thanks.. |
| 19:47.24 | crazy3k | sepski, it printed "Destination Net Unreachable" |
| 19:47.25 | sepski | crazy2k, then we have to troubleshoot your pppoe. i have never done anything in pppoe but i assume you can read plog to get a log out of whats going on. |
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| 19:47.31 | dan2_ | gravity: and it wouldn't be a performance issue either |
| 19:47.34 | sepski | crazy2k, hopefully someone else in here have more clue |
| 19:47.45 | asg | dan2_: :) |
| 19:47.52 | sepski | crazy2k, but you can ping both your own and your ppp parterns ip addresses ? |
| 19:47.58 | dan2_ | asg: I'm going to stay programming voip for a while |
| 19:48.01 | dan2_ | asg: its my love |
| 19:48.02 | dan2_ | :) |
| 19:48.09 | crazy3k | sepski, yeah, already tried plog. |
| 19:48.10 | sepski | crazy2k, and you get a default gw instaleld when pppoe is up ? |
| 19:48.17 | elmagozizou | If im in knoppix and the only cdrom drive is the one on is knoppix...then how do I do to burn a cd to backup mi files? |
| 19:48.19 | asg | dan2_: I've been doing Layer 7 monitoring using Java for a bit but WWW::Mechanize in Perl is just much easier and performant. |
| 19:48.42 | sepski | crazy2k, also try pinging the nameservers now, to verify that they acualy reply to icmp ping |
| 19:48.57 | crazy3k | sepski, what is that? That pretty much sounds like the way to fix this. I remember I used to change that option before. |
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| 19:49.15 | dan2_ | asg: make sure you add the flag -server to java startup |
| 19:49.22 | dan2_ | asg: it makes serious performance adjustments |
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| 19:49.22 | sepski | elmagozizou, you don't, copy your files to a different computer using the network. or save them on the HD somewhere |
| 19:49.22 | PDani | hi |
| 19:49.23 | dogmeat | a partition with extended type is mountable? |
| 19:49.41 | sepski | crazy2k, default gw ? |
| 19:49.48 | crazy3k | sepski, Yeah. |
| 19:49.49 | dan2_ | asg: most importantly it starts up an optimizing analysis framework, and pools resources more sanely |
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| 19:50.04 | PDani | i tried to compile lirc modules, and i got this message: /usr/src/linux/ is not a valid kernel source tree. |
| 19:50.05 | crazy3k | sepski, was it "set default gw IP"? |
| 19:50.32 | dan2_ | asg: svn co svn://mirrorlynx.com/pocketv |
| 19:50.36 | sepski | crazy2k, igf you do it manualy it's route add default gw [ip of ppp partner] |
| 19:50.36 | PDani | any idea? |
| 19:50.52 | crazy3k | Oh, well, that. |
| 19:50.59 | crazy3k | I think that will fix the problem. |
| 19:50.59 | Covener | dogmeat: no, you want the logical partitions created inside of the extended partition |
| 19:51.03 | crazy3k | What is that, btw? |
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| 19:51.18 | sepski | crazy2k, missing default gw is _also_ mentioned in the pppoe docs, have you tried reading the install instructions at all ???? |
| 19:51.24 | elmagozizou | I read that is not complete the develop of writing in a ntfs partition from linux...is that right? |
| 19:51.55 | crazy3k | sepski, sorry, don't get mad at me. I swear I read everything I thought was relevant. |
| 19:52.02 | crazy3k | :) |
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| 19:52.14 | JohnnyST | elmagozizou: Yes thats right. |
| 19:52.20 | dan2_ | asg: I love interface based metaprogramming |
| 19:52.27 | dan2_ | asg: look at com/omnisip/sip/SipStack.java |
| 19:52.32 | dan2_ | asg: under trunk |
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| 19:53.33 | dan2_ | asg: I try to keep my code cleanly |
| 19:53.34 | dan2_ | ;) |
| 19:53.37 | crazy3k | Let me try, sepski. One last thing. That IP may change, right? I mean, if I add a default gw I'll probably have to update it in the future. |
| 19:53.37 | sepski | crazy2k, well now you type zless /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian.gz and that's an order! |
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| 19:53.52 | crazy3k | Ok. |
| 19:53.53 | sepski | crazy2k, and read it,, not just look at it |
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| 19:54.21 | dabaR | Hi, does anyone have optimization tips for the xine-ui player? It is choppy on media files on the disk. |
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| 19:55.19 | dan2_ | dabaR: its likely due to you not having dri enabled |
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| 19:55.40 | dabaR | dri, great. |
| 19:55.51 | dan2_ | its an xserver thing |
| 19:55.52 | ma3x | is this line OK in sources.list? |
| 19:55.55 | ma3x | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 19:56.03 | dan2_ | asg: ?? |
| 19:56.05 | ma3x | or should it be deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates stable main |
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| 19:56.49 | [S][F]Era | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:57.02 | crazy3k | sepski, zmore would work fine. |
| 19:57.09 | deadcat | ma3x: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:57.10 | Aglanor | hey, can anyone tell me what happens to the repositiories when a release is made? I use unstable. After sarge release I didn't see changes with apt-get upgrade. I supposed I had to run "apt-get dist-upgrade", but I'm getting now weird stuff, like the sources server I'm using not having some packages. |
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| 19:57.24 | ma3x | deadcat why contrib non-free? |
| 19:57.25 | elmagozizou | I have a Nvidia MX 4000 card...Im currently using ubuntu....I Install the nvidia module and enable it, In fact i install all nvidia packages that i find...But tux recer and the screen savers doenst look well...help? |
| 19:57.32 | deadcat | ma3x: take it off then |
| 19:57.32 | ma3x | i don't want non-free applications |
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| 19:57.40 | ma3x | is it for non-free applications |
| 19:57.42 | sepski | elmagozizou, ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:57.46 | PeterB | !ubuntu |
| 19:57.47 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
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| 19:57.49 | deadcat | ma3x: TAKE IT OFF THEN |
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| 19:58.18 | ma3x | deadcat : allright! are you angry now? |
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| 19:58.26 | deadcat | ma3x: yes. at you. |
| 19:58.29 | elmagozizou | sepski, I have three days asking there and no one have been able to help me... |
| 19:58.42 | ma3x | deadcat : okay man, i didn't mean anything bad |
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| 19:58.52 | Nod51 | well x.org works for me excpet it starts using more and more CPU the longer it is up. |
| 19:59.19 | deadcat | Nod51: /topic |
| 19:59.20 | sepski | elmagozizou, hmm i guess you need patience then. but asking in here wont help you. i dont think you would like it of people came to your place and asked about carpet knitting either |
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| 19:59.30 | Nod51 | is there a known solution to this problem yet? |
| 20:00.10 | sepski | elmagozizou, you can try /msg dpkg nvidia one liner, that's how we do it on debian, but it might do more harm then good on your ubuntu.. i honestly dont know what would happen |
| 20:00.33 | deadcat | Nod51: some people have diff problems, such not able to switch to virtual consoles, for me shutdown/reboot hangs my ibook when i use xorg |
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| 20:01.09 | TyreseJones | Is the portmap service enabled my default in debian? If not, how do I enable it? |
| 20:01.10 | black13 | i am fishing for suggestions: in what bootscript should i put my own boot commands /etc/.../rcS ? |
| 20:01.15 | deadcat | sepski: that nvidia one-liner will only work in debian. because ubuntu has diff name for the packages |
| 20:01.18 | elmagozizou | sepski, ok..thanks anyway, but be nicer with people |
| 20:01.22 | deadcat | sepski: so hes fucked (= |
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| 20:01.25 | sepski | black13, read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:01.45 | nvz | black13: make your own script or use /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh for small things maybe.. it runs right before login |
| 20:01.56 | sepski | elmagozizou, i didnt shout, abuse, mute or kick you.. i deserve nobels peace price |
| 20:02.05 | deadcat | TyreseJones: yes if you install it. located in /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rcS.d |
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| 20:02.32 | black13 | sepski nvz thanks |
| 20:02.33 | sepski | elmagozizou, you know we get hundreds of ubuntu users that dont get help in #ubunu here every day... it can get on peoples nerves now and then |
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| 20:02.41 | Octavian | hi |
| 20:02.55 | sepski | elmagozizou, ahh listen to deadcat. you cant use the debian way |
| 20:02.59 | TyreseJones | deadcat, HEY how you doing? You helped me impress the SHIT out of one of my clients, getting a remote X screen on his home computer! |
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| 20:03.01 | deadcat | elmagozizou: maybe its better if you leave, i doubt you gonna get any help here. |
| 20:03.20 | deadcat | TyreseJones: i did? good for you then (= |
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| 20:03.31 | nvz | maybe its better you install debian |
| 20:03.35 | sepski | elmagozizou, you could swap to debian tho. then we would know how to help.. :) |
| 20:03.37 | brendan__ | hi, i'm having an odd problem with udev, where some device files arn't created unill i restart udev(ie /dev/dsp, devices for usb disks, etc...) |
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| 20:03.48 | sepski | elmagozizou, or perhaps there is a ubunut mailinglist you could try |
| 20:04.04 | TyreseJones | deadcat, Yeah, u did, now he works from home! Everyday! |
| 20:04.10 | sepski | hrmf... ubuntu should be easier to spell !! |
| 20:04.11 | deadcat | TyreseJones: hahah. nice |
| 20:04.26 | deadcat | sepski: simplify it to uuu |
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| 20:04.51 | elmagozizou | deadcat, no ok..thats fine, i just tell him for advice, is his problem if he do it or no...any way I like the channel...but I guess I cant get all the answers |
| 20:04.51 | black13 | nvz i have perl script i want to run before login would bootmisc.sh be appropriate place for that |
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| 20:05.16 | deadcat | elmagozizou: not all. you aint getting nothing. |
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| 20:05.47 | Aglanor | are current unstable repositories bork3n? Mine says stuff like: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.rediris.es/debian/pool/main/x/xpdf/xpdf-reader_3.00-14_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open /debian/pool/main/x/xpdf/xpdf-reader_3.00-14_i386.deb: No such file or directory ' |
| 20:05.49 | deadcat | elmagozizou: i am on his side (= |
| 20:05.54 | nvz | black13: its for misc boot stuff.. I've used it before. its not hard to just put your script in /etc/init.d/ and link it |
| 20:05.57 | deadcat | Aglanor: /topic |
| 20:06.00 | Aglanor | I did apt-get update & upgrade, also dist-upgrade |
| 20:06.00 | Aglanor | ok |
| 20:06.03 | TyreseJones | deadcat - Back to the portmap thing, so if my system is currently in run level 2, which it is, the portmap service should be running right? |
| 20:06.06 | elmagozizou | deadcat, yeah I can see :D |
| 20:06.25 | mhall | g'day, all. How can I start two X servers on two different VTs with two different resolutions? I'd like one at 1600x1200 and another at 800x600 |
| 20:06.52 | deadcat | TyreseJones: ya. check the S scripts in /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rcS.d |
| 20:07.14 | deadcat | TyreseJones: or rpcinfo -p localhost |
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| 20:07.42 | deadcat | elmagozizou: i think its gonna be like a 8 vs 1 since most people are idle in the channel. |
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| 20:07.59 | aidehua | Is it just root who is allowed to chown files? |
| 20:08.10 | Aglanor | deadcat: hm, I'm still confused. First time I've experienced a release + breakage. Sid breakage means that some listed packages will not be there, then? |
| 20:08.25 | Shadowcat | sid isn't a release |
| 20:08.32 | nvz | aidehua: no |
| 20:08.33 | deadcat | aidehua: i think so. but on hp/ux you can do it wiht any usr. |
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| 20:08.50 | Shadowcat | sid is the Debian development tree |
| 20:08.52 | ApEtc | "sid breakage" is redundant. :) |
| 20:09.00 | deadcat | Aglanor: no. the errors are because of the 2 servers being moved |
| 20:09.03 | Shadowcat | don't run stuff off there unless you know what you're doing |
| 20:09.05 | Aglanor | Shadowcat: well I use unstable always, but it's the first time there has been a release since I've been using debian |
| 20:09.06 | sepski | deadcat, now dont mess with the nice ubuntu usere, im sure he can see that we cant support a distro that we dont know. |
| 20:09.09 | sepski | :) |
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| 20:09.16 | PeterB | mhall: There's a -screen option for Xorg, don't know about XFree86 |
| 20:09.23 | Aglanor | deadcat: ah, ok, that explains all. Thank you! |
| 20:09.24 | deadcat | sepski: fuck'em (= |
| 20:09.25 | Shadowcat | Aglanor: then you should know that things break in sid all the time |
| 20:09.36 | black13 | has anyone tried to trim down xorg ... that remove files ... i know the obvious would be to remove .a files doc files but what about module files? |
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| 20:09.40 | Aglanor | Shadowcat: yup but I had so far never experienced missing packages |
| 20:09.48 | deadcat | Aglanor: wait till monday. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/191 |
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| 20:09.55 | elmagozizou | deadcat, ok..last question (because i dont know of a knoppix channel) Where I cant get god Documentation about rescue sistems with knoppix? |
| 20:10.04 | deadcat | elmagozizou: #knoppix |
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| 20:10.15 | deadcat | now you know the channel |
| 20:10.26 | elmagozizou | deadcat, thnx |
| 20:10.46 | aidehua | (I'm trying to rsync a filesystem from one machine to another and maintain the ownership info. I've sync'd the users and groups on the machines, but would rather not run rsync as root if possible.) |
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| 20:10.57 | mhall | PeterB: I'm using xorg |
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| 20:11.02 | Frozen-Solid | is there a wine equivalent that runs mac osx software under PPC linux? |
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| 20:11.20 | deadcat | aidehua: thats diff. you need root for that purpose |
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| 20:11.30 | sepski | aidehua, you can do that like a tar -c | rsync | tar -x |
| 20:11.32 | deadcat | Frozen-Solid: mol |
| 20:11.39 | mhall | Frozen-Solid: mac on linux |
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| 20:11.48 | NachPlus | Can someone please help me with troubleshooting why my X won't start? |
| 20:11.51 | Frozen-Solid | oh i see. how well's it work? |
| 20:11.52 | Aman | Hi guys. How do I go about disabling the automatic startup of module 'nv_sata' during the boot process? |
| 20:11.52 | aidehua | Frozen-Solid: have you come across mac-on-linux? Not quite what you need, but might be handy. |
| 20:11.54 | sepski | aidehua, you will need root in order to read all files tho so.. |
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| 20:11.58 | deadcat | Frozen-Solid: but you would have to run the entire os (= |
| 20:11.58 | Crell | Greetings. Does anyone know what package gzcat would be in? I apparently do not have it installed, and aptitude search has not found it. |
| 20:11.59 | dogmeat | i can't view my man pages because, /usr/share/man is empty, but locate reports many pages stored there, how can i restore the contents? |
| 20:12.04 | Frozen-Solid | oh. |
| 20:12.05 | TyreseJones | deadcat, I think it'll time out |
| 20:12.12 | Frozen-Solid | i just want to run folding@home :( |
| 20:12.21 | aidehua | sepski: root on the machine being backed up, yes, but not necessarily on the storage machine. |
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| 20:12.21 | sepski | aidehua, but i spose rsync can preserve permissions by itself also |
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| 20:12.29 | black13 | NachPlus take a look at /var/log/Xorg or /var/log/X11 log files |
| 20:12.30 | deadcat | TyreseJones: hmm. install nmap and scan your localhost |
| 20:12.43 | Aman | Anybody? |
| 20:12.48 | aidehua | (In actual fact, I'm using rdiff-backup.) |
| 20:12.48 | black13 | NachPlus that is a good starting point |
| 20:13.02 | NachPlus | black13, I did, it says Fatal Server Error Caught Signal 11 |
| 20:13.05 | sepski | aidehua, well if your not root on the storeage maching, then you will loose permissions and ownerships |
| 20:13.10 | sepski | unless you store it as a tarball |
| 20:13.14 | muondude | hi |
| 20:13.18 | dogmeat | lol |
| 20:13.20 | mhall | dogmeat: updatedb fixes the locate database |
| 20:13.23 | TyreseJones | deadcat, way ahead of you!! |
| 20:13.23 | black13 | NachPlus where there any errors before that? |
| 20:13.29 | mhall | dogmeat: as for repairing the manpage directory |
| 20:13.29 | NachPlus | black13, nope |
| 20:13.38 | black13 | what type of hardware do you have? |
| 20:13.51 | muondude | debian dist-upgrade still keeping packages back (posted output to #flood) after woody to sarge upgrade |
| 20:13.52 | deadcat | TyreseJones: i dont see portmap would give you that error. you doing everything on the local machine right? |
| 20:14.02 | NachPlus | black13, Which aspect? nvidia Geforce |
| 20:14.09 | black13 | NachPlus post your log file to the paste bot |
| 20:14.09 | sepski | muondude, did you read the release notes before upgrading !? |
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| 20:14.51 | muondude | sepski: yes, I followed them to the "letter" |
| 20:14.54 | muondude | I posted the output to #flood just now |
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| 20:15.10 | sepski | muondude, wasnt joined there, im sure someone else can help you |
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| 20:15.20 | sepski | !held back |
| 20:15.21 | dpkg | kept back is probably when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 20:15.29 | record | HELLOOO |
| 20:15.32 | mhall | dogmeat: COLUMNS=2000 dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall < that will reinstall all of your packages |
| 20:15.35 | sepski | and use aptitude instead of apt-ge |
| 20:15.45 | TyreseJones | deadcat, i've SSH'd into it. It's across the room, i don't wanna keep walking back and forward! |
| 20:15.57 | mhall | Crell: It's actually zcat for some dumb reason. |
| 20:16.16 | Crell | mhall: Really? Weird. |
| 20:16.20 | deadcat | TyreseJones: and you try to rpcinfo -p remotemachine or localhost? make sure both machine have portmap running |
| 20:16.30 | mhall | Crell: Yeah I know. It confused me too when I learned it a couple years ago. |
| 20:16.37 | record | people i have a problem , i compile de kernel 2.6.12.3 and reboot , and error "tmpfind" what is this?? |
| 20:16.39 | muondude | dpkg & sepski: Ok, I'll try that and I use "aptitude" almost exclusively now! Thanks very much :-) |
| 20:16.46 | mhall | Crell: I didn't even believe em when they told me but I tried it anyways and it works. |
| 20:16.49 | PeterB | muondude: dpkg is a bot. |
| 20:16.52 | Crell | hehe. |
| 20:16.58 | NachPlus | black13, http://nsrt.edgeemu.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:17.10 | deadcat | mhall: that command will install some of the packages that arent ^ii as well right? |
| 20:17.22 | TyreseJones | deadcat, i typed rpcinfo -p localhost @ the actual machine |
| 20:17.24 | deadcat | record: i get that too. |
| 20:17.34 | muondude | PeterB: well don't I look silly - thanks for the info on dpkg ;-) |
| 20:17.40 | deadcat | TyreseJones: hmm. /etc/init.d/portmap restart and run that again |
| 20:17.47 | mhall | Crell: Luckily bzip2 is bzcat. So it makes more sense than gzip. |
| 20:18.06 | record | deadcat, i'm spanish and my inglish es simply |
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| 20:18.12 | Psyche- | hello! |
| 20:18.18 | jm_ | hi. how can I find out from what .deb a specific file belongs? even .deb files I don't have installed yet. |
| 20:18.19 | muondude | PeterB: I get it when sepski did "bang <stuff>" it invokved the bot - cool |
| 20:18.22 | deadcat | record: you on your own then |
| 20:18.23 | Crell | Hm. I'm just trying to cat a crapload of compressed log files into a perl script without decompressing them all at once first. :-) |
| 20:18.28 | deadcat | !es |
| 20:18.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:18.29 | Psyche- | can somebody help me configure a sound blaster live 24 bit under debian sarge? |
| 20:18.34 | mhall | deadcat: that read as this on my screen: that command will install some of the packages that arent ^ii as well right |
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| 20:18.50 | mhall | deadcat: Maybe my unicode mode is screwy. I'm not sure. |
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| 20:19.28 | sepski | Psyche-, /msg dpkg alsa |
| 20:19.48 | black13 | NachPlus your fucked |
| 20:19.54 | Psyche- | sepski: tried that already, didn't work |
| 20:19.57 | NachPlus | black13, ??? |
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| 20:20.24 | black13 | NachPlus sorry man i thought i would see something i could help you with |
| 20:20.57 | black13 | NachPlus what verision of debian are you using? |
| 20:20.58 | Crell | OK, this is odd. |
| 20:21.14 | NachPlus | black13, unstable if that's what you mean |
| 20:21.26 | black13 | NachPlus sid? |
| 20:21.32 | TyreseJones | i have the NFS kernel daemon installed, is that the right one? |
| 20:21.32 | deadcat | good alias? tunnel='ssh -N -f -L' ? |
| 20:21.41 | Crell | zcat logs/*.gz works on the command line. But when I put it in a shell script as "<zcat logs/*.gz" after a command, I get a "no such file or directory" error. |
| 20:21.52 | NachPlus | black13, isn't sid experimental? |
| 20:21.56 | mhall | !tell jm_ about pdo |
| 20:22.00 | deadcat | NachPlus: no. |
| 20:22.03 | Crell | Sid is Unstable. Experimental has no name. |
| 20:22.11 | NachPlus | in that case, yes sid |
| 20:22.22 | Crell | Although right now Sid is broken and you shouldn't use it if you can avoid it. :-) |
| 20:22.24 | Psyche- | sepski: any other ideeas? |
| 20:22.29 | deadcat | we call experimental fedora |
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| 20:22.33 | Crell | lol |
| 20:22.33 | mhall | Crell: paste the whole line of the script into #flood |
| 20:22.35 | jm_ | mhall thx... I used /msg apt find <file> ... |
| 20:22.38 | black13 | i am using etch and i build xorg older xorg |
| 20:22.38 | NachPlus | Crell, what's broken in Sid right now? |
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| 20:22.57 | mhall | jm_: that works, I like browsing PDO so I figured you might want to know about it. |
| 20:23.01 | Crell | mhall: Done. |
| 20:23.06 | cat | is there any program to used so i can upload my digital camaras pictures to my pc? |
| 20:23.18 | deadcat | cat: gphoto2 |
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| 20:23.27 | Crell | NachPlus: They're in mid C++ABI transition, so half the archive is compiled for gcc 3.3 and half for gcc 4.0. |
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| 20:23.35 | Crell | Xorg is also working its way into various architectures. |
| 20:23.44 | deadcat | cat: if you want gui. gtkam or theres one for kde which i dont know |
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| 20:23.57 | NachPlus | Crell, yes I know, and the only thing I've seen till now is that GAIM and KDE can't coexist |
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| 20:24.06 | deadcat | cat: if all those progs fail. mount the motherfucker (= |
| 20:24.20 | cat | alright brother dead |
| 20:24.26 | notcbr | NachPlus: i miss gaim :D |
| 20:24.32 | notcbr | dont want to uninstall kde though |
| 20:24.38 | black13 | i have found etch or sarge and xorg build on the machine works but you are one your own in getting help |
| 20:24.39 | NachPlus | notcbr, me too, and Kopete is just bleh |
| 20:24.43 | notcbr | yeah |
| 20:24.54 | notcbr | kopete does the job but it just isnt it |
| 20:24.56 | deadcat | notcbr: if you dont want kde then dont install kde. |
| 20:24.59 | redpoptart | Hi. I would like to install Azureus but it is reporting "azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable". Is there a package for java2 runtime I should know about? |
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| 20:25.07 | notcbr | deadcat: u missed the point |
| 20:25.08 | TyreseJones | deadcat, Good call! I mount all the devices insead of using other programs, much easier, and quicker |
| 20:25.12 | deadcat | notcbr: i think i did |
| 20:25.14 | mhall | Crell: yeah I've fought some... entertaining wars with the ABI crap |
| 20:25.15 | Crell | NachPlus: I've had various other things break on me. It depends what you have installed. |
| 20:25.25 | sepski | Psyche-, sorry no, that works for me allways |
| 20:25.31 | Crell | inkspace is uninstallable right now, for instance. At least it was a few days ago for me. :-) |
| 20:25.31 | mhall | Crell: I had to do some very funny stuff to get OOo installed |
| 20:25.43 | NachPlus | well, right now I can't launch X, and I'm scratching my head as to why |
| 20:25.52 | Crell | hehe. |
| 20:25.57 | mhall | Crell: I had to create a stub libwpd8 because OOo does not like libwpd8c2... |
| 20:26.07 | cat | deadcat: doesn't wanted it detect the camara on gtkam |
| 20:26.08 | notcbr | sid could have amarok 1.3 betas :) |
| 20:26.09 | black13 | Crell, xauth: error in locking authority file /home/game/.Xauthority |
| 20:26.12 | deadcat | TyreseJones: my camera works with gphoto2 so i am using that. although it sucks on x86, i can use gphoto2 to remove pictures on the ppc but x86 wont let me do it anymore. no clue why |
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| 20:26.25 | deadcat | cat: then use gphoto2 |
| 20:26.26 | Crell | black13: Uh, ok... |
| 20:26.29 | mhall | deadcat: aww that's BS |
| 20:26.30 | NachPlus | Crell, it's not funny, I really need to work on something, and I need x |
| 20:26.34 | cat | gphoto2? |
| 20:26.47 | mhall | NachPlus: /var/log/X*.log for starters |
| 20:26.48 | black13 | Crell sorry typo |
| 20:26.50 | deadcat | mhall: the x86 and ppc? i kid you not man. |
| 20:26.55 | mhall | NachPlus: look for (EE) |
| 20:26.56 | NachPlus | mhall, perhaps you can help me then |
| 20:27.16 | mhall | NachPlus: I can't guarantee it but maybe I have some general ideas. |
| 20:27.18 | deadcat | mhall: gphoto2 --delete-file x-y WONT work on my x86, ppc works |
| 20:27.24 | NachPlus | mhall, http://nsrt.edgeemu.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:27.36 | mhall | deadcat: no, it's not that I don't believe you |
| 20:27.43 | mhall | deadcat: it's just stupid that that would happen |
| 20:27.50 | enigmus | hmm libpoppler needs libcairo1 but this (virtual package) is not present in sid. But libcairo0.5.1 is. How should I tell aptitude to use libcairo0.5.1 instead of libcairo1? |
| 20:27.55 | mhall | deadcat: did you change kernels or something? maybe the driver is messed |
| 20:27.58 | deadcat | mhall: ya... |
| 20:27.59 | black13 | mhall he didnt have any (EE) notice it aborted after loading extenion GLX you my try to not load eny extensions |
| 20:28.16 | ma3x | how to start the cdrecord gui? |
| 20:28.19 | mhall | deadcat: also x86 versions show up sooner than ppc so maybe the new version is broken and ppc is still older |
| 20:28.19 | jm_ | When mounting a FS I'm using GID=group UID=user to set up the ownership for the file within. How can I set up full ownership to whoever could mount the FSs? |
| 20:28.21 | TyreseJones | deadcat, such is the life of a linux guru!! |
| 20:28.23 | zophyx | is there an japanese language specific distro of debian ? |
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| 20:28.28 | deadcat | mhall: both using 2.6.11 before. |
| 20:28.30 | xDes02 | Hi, I'm trying to install sarge, but it can't seem to locate my DHCP server |
| 20:28.32 | sepski | ma3x, depends on what cdrecord frontend you plan on useing |
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| 20:28.39 | black13 | i am looking for any clues to the message: xauth: error in locking authority file /home/game/.Xauthority |
| 20:28.48 | mhall | deadcat: hmm, i'd investigate anything that changed recently first |
| 20:28.50 | deadcat | mhall: its been a while though (= |
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| 20:29.04 | cadu | hllo! i'm using an unknown mobo here (boss just gave me) and i don't known the graphic chipset being used, any ways of discovering it ? |
| 20:29.06 | NachPlus | mhall, see anything? |
| 20:29.13 | TyreseJones | deadcat, which reminds me, if I have a mac running linux, can i get that machine to connect to terminal servers just like a PC would, and boot over the network? |
| 20:29.16 | cadu | any autodetection tool ? |
| 20:29.17 | sepski | cadu, lspci |
| 20:29.17 | zophyx | black13: do you have a user account for game ? |
| 20:29.18 | deadcat | mhall: i guess i will look into it. i just assume x86 craps out on me |
| 20:29.22 | NachPlus | cadu, use Knoppix ;) |
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| 20:29.41 | black13 | zophyz yes ... /home/game |
| 20:29.42 | ma3x | sepski : i dunno, just wanna start the damn thing |
| 20:29.43 | deadcat | TyreseJones: ya. mol will allow you to tunnel things through. |
| 20:29.58 | dogmeat | how do i boot my sarge system so i can do fsck ? |
| 20:30.00 | black13 | zophyz i may have screwed up and have /home/game but no account |
| 20:30.02 | redpoptart | Hello. Is there a package for sun's java for sarge? |
| 20:30.06 | Crell | Some things about Kopete iare quite nice, others are very annoying. The tab handlign sucks compared to Gaim. |
| 20:30.07 | deadcat | TyreseJones: the good thing about mol is that mol doesnt emulate the hardware. it runs as native. so you get same speed as running mac |
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| 20:30.18 | bobesponja | is there another bash command to know my IP adress than "ifconfig"? |
| 20:30.55 | sepski | ip addr if you have the iproute package |
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| 20:31.20 | deadcat | TyreseJones: i didnt even bother to partition my harddrive for mac, so i just use a loopback device with 3 gig and installed osx that way. i can just rm MacOSX.img if i am tire of that shit (= |
| 20:31.23 | ma3x | sepski: is cdrtools with gui or no? |
| 20:31.24 | black13 | zophyz what would happen if i didnt |
| 20:31.27 | Crell | Note to self: Trying to decompress and parse 18 months worth of high traffic apache logs all at once is a bad idea. |
| 20:31.33 | xDes02 | I'm installing sarge, but the instaler can't find my DHCP |
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| 20:31.44 | mhall | NachPlus: The first thing to try is changing Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , video card section |
| 20:31.45 | deadcat | xDes02: is the card dtected |
| 20:31.50 | crazy2k | sepski, I swear I read the whole document. I tried everything: "route del default gw" "route add default gw <IP of my partner>"; Looked at all the tips and files. Everything is set up as the docs say. I thought this was going to work. I'll understand if you don't want to help me anymore. |
| 20:31.58 | mhall | NachPlus: That's likely to get you up and running in 2D mode at least |
| 20:31.59 | sepski | ma3x, you need to install a frontend to get a gui |
| 20:32.17 | notcbr | is there a reason why we dont have 2.6.12 yet? |
| 20:32.21 | xDes02 | deadcat: I believe so |
| 20:32.27 | deadcat | notcbr: no |
| 20:32.28 | ma3x | what is frontend? |
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| 20:32.32 | ma3x | !tell ma3x about frontend |
| 20:32.36 | notcbr | deadcat: so why dont we? |
| 20:32.39 | TyreseJones | deadcat, woah .... REALLY? So you can fire up linux, and then boot into and img of mac os x? |
| 20:32.42 | deadcat | xDes02: switch to F2 and run dhclient ethX |
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| 20:32.51 | ma3x | sepski: frontend like what? |
| 20:32.57 | ma3x | i really dont understand |
| 20:33.02 | deadcat | TyreseJones: yes. ctrl+alt+f8 is what i have. and switch back to linux in f7 (= |
| 20:33.02 | sepski | crazy2k, well it's a bit tricky for me since i have never had a pppoe setup, it not that i dont want to help, but i ust dont have the experience, beuond what i can read in the docs |
| 20:33.11 | mhall | deadcat: that rules |
| 20:33.12 | deadcat | TyreseJones: now thats dual booting hhahaha |
| 20:33.23 | mhall | deadcat: that's even better than vmware |
| 20:33.26 | sepski | ma3x, xcdroast as an example |
| 20:33.35 | xDes02 | deadcat: thank you very much, I'll reboot and give it another shot |
| 20:33.38 | ma3x | sepski : thanks |
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| 20:33.45 | Crell | ma3x: CD burning tools are separated into the "backend" (that does the work) and the "frontend" that gives an interface to the user. Most good systems are split that way. |
| 20:33.46 | sepski | ma3x, im sure there are betters, i just use cdrecord usualy |
| 20:33.47 | deadcat | mhall: ya. much faster. and if i want another linux distro in f9 |
| 20:33.59 | deadcat | xDes02: dont have to reboot. just switch to F2 |
| 20:34.14 | TyreseJones | deadcat, PLEASE tell me that there is a howto SOMEWHERE on the net! Because my iBook, my iMac G5 flat screen sexy as hell, and my G4 machine, will ALL instantly, get the linux DUAL boot treatment |
| 20:34.14 | ma3x | Crell : thanks for the explanation! |
| 20:34.22 | ma3x | sepski : how do i list all frontends? |
| 20:34.27 | ma3x | how can i know them? |
| 20:34.28 | mhall | deadcat: deluxe |
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| 20:34.32 | Crell | ma3x: If you want a GUI frontend, I highly recommend K3b for KDE. |
| 20:34.33 | xDes02 | deadcat: it's just that I'm installing it on the other Hard drive on my only box |
| 20:34.38 | cat | deadcat: how can i mount my digital camara? |
| 20:34.38 | sepski | crazy2k, so even with a new default gw. (the same as the one you have in ubuntu i assume ) ? you coudnt ping ip's on the net ? |
| 20:34.42 | deadcat | mhall: haha. ya. |
| 20:34.45 | mhall | TyreseJones: woah you are an Apple nut |
| 20:34.53 | crazy2k | sepski, correct. |
| 20:34.54 | deadcat | cat: take the memory card out. put into the reader and mount it. |
| 20:35.04 | deadcat | TyreseJones: maconlinux.org |
| 20:35.04 | mhall | Crell: k3b rules |
| 20:35.14 | cat | i don't have the reader i need to buy it i'm using it as usb |
| 20:35.18 | mhall | Crell: It 0wnz0rs my b0n3z0r! |
| 20:35.21 | mmiikkee12 | anyone know where a .deb package for the J2SE 1.5 SDK is? |
| 20:35.24 | sepski | crazy2k, and you verified that you can ping that ip from ubunut ? |
| 20:35.32 | ma3x | Crell : excellent Sir! |
| 20:35.34 | mhall | mmiikkee12: there is not one, hold on and I'll clarify |
| 20:35.35 | Whisky_ | where are xfree86 includes generally installed? |
| 20:35.46 | deadcat | TyreseJones: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html . just apt-get install the mol-source and the mol osx drivers pretty easy to setup |
| 20:35.52 | sepski | crazy2k, im pretty sure that pppoe should be rather easy in debian too. |
| 20:35.55 | TyreseJones | mhall, I am a COMPUTER nut - I got three apple machines, and about 10 PC's! |
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| 20:36.09 | mmiikkee12 | platform independent, my donkey... |
| 20:36.13 | TyreseJones | deadcat, maconlinux is my new favorite website! |
| 20:36.14 | crazy2k | sepski, can this be different because of the kernel version? |
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| 20:36.20 | deadcat | TyreseJones: damn. htats alot of comps |
| 20:36.24 | deadcat | hhaa |
| 20:36.27 | crazy2k | sepski, or this has nothing to do with that? |
| 20:36.32 | sepski | crazy2k, have no idea. i think pppoe is so old it shoudnt be an issue.. |
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| 20:36.34 | mhall | mmiikkee12: you can make one with the java-package utility and the .bin JRE file from Sun's site... |
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| 20:36.47 | mhall | mmiikkee12: It converts Sun's bin directory dump into a real deb |
| 20:36.51 | TyreseJones | deadcat, what can i say... i'm married to the machine! |
| 20:37.03 | deadcat | TyreseJones: just remember when you get mol running osx, you have to run that package on the osx desktop to get sound and networking going. |
| 20:37.05 | mhall | mmiikkee12: apt-get install java-package to get the utility |
| 20:37.20 | TyreseJones | my three favorite things in life - my girlfriends, my computers, and the intenet, but not in that order! lol |
| 20:37.21 | mhall | TyreseJones: damn, that's more hardcore than most pr0n |
| 20:37.23 | mmiikkee12 | is that on the first cd? |
| 20:37.28 | cadu | computer nuts, geez! |
| 20:37.31 | black13 | has anyone here used "rungetty" |
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| 20:37.44 | mhall | mmiikkee12: I'm not sure. packages.debian.org will have it for you for sure though |
| 20:37.45 | mmiikkee12 | wait, I have the 2nd one too |
| 20:37.47 | deadcat | TyreseJones: i have a 800mhz p3 and a 800mhz ibook g3 (=.. would love to have a macmini for server purpose one of these days |
| 20:38.00 | me_here | when i want to install some java packages, i get an dependency error (i.e j2se) in aptitude, how can i correct this ? |
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| 20:38.06 | mmiikkee12 | I don't have internet access under Linux :( |
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| 20:38.16 | mhall | deadcat: I'm waiting on a Dual Opteron toaster box. |
| 20:38.25 | TyreseJones | deadcat, That's EXACTLY why i'm getting two mac minis - brilliat little machines |
| 20:38.27 | deadcat | mhall: what is that? |
| 20:38.29 | mhall | deadcat: They make one already but it's AGP8X not PCIe. |
| 20:38.43 | mhall | deadcat: It takes two AMD Opteron chips in a case that's the size of a toaster. |
| 20:38.46 | deadcat | TyreseJones: damn. 2? wow.. you must be loaded |
| 20:38.47 | diablotin | me_here, apt-cache-search j2se no ? |
| 20:38.48 | mhall | deadcat: I'll get a link. |
| 20:39.02 | deadcat | mhall: nice size |
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| 20:39.12 | notcbr | me_here: apt-get install java-package |
| 20:39.16 | notcbr | and man java-package |
| 20:39.18 | deadcat | mhall: hows the noise? |
| 20:39.20 | nemik | should the serial port be in /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 20:39.22 | TyreseJones | deadcat, It's the girlfriends - they come in handy for shit like that! lol |
| 20:39.30 | redpoptart | me_here, I just found how. you have to download j2se from sun and do a make-jpkg on the binary. |
| 20:39.34 | deadcat | TyreseJones: true. |
| 20:39.45 | notcbr | me_here: man make-jpkg |
| 20:39.51 | mhall | http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=36&sp=Y |
| 20:39.55 | deadcat | TyreseJones: just run linux on the macmini, when she use it. just switch to f8 (= |
| 20:39.57 | mhall | deadcat: ^^^ |
| 20:39.58 | me_here | redpoptart: notcbr: thx all |
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| 20:40.19 | mhall | mmiikkee12: what's the matter with your net access? |
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| 20:40.33 | mmiikkee12 | no Linux driver |
| 20:40.34 | nemik | for some reason, even though i have serial ports and they worked in ubuntu, ttyS0 and ttyS1 just don't show up in /dev/ on my debian sarge install....anyone had this problem? |
| 20:40.44 | deadcat | mhall: oh. these machines... |
| 20:40.47 | mhall | redpoptart: you need the java-package utility |
| 20:40.53 | mmiikkee12 | it would be nice to have net access though :) |
| 20:41.00 | sepski | nemik, have you loaded the modules ? |
| 20:41.05 | ma3x | K3b uses growisofs to actually write dvds, unable to find this package |
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| 20:41.05 | ma3x | why? |
| 20:41.06 | deadcat | mhall: cooling system looks great |
| 20:41.07 | mhall | deadcat: Yeah. Imagine how sweet that would be with PCIe! |
| 20:41.09 | redpoptart | mhall, yes that is correct :) |
| 20:41.09 | mmiikkee12 | it's a Westell 6100, connected through USB |
| 20:41.21 | nemik | sepski, hmmm perhaps no, how can i do that? |
| 20:41.29 | ma3x | ah sorry |
| 20:41.31 | mhall | redpoptart: just wanted to make sure I mentioned it so you wouldn't be hunting forever for make-jpkg... |
| 20:41.31 | FieldySnuts | use the ethernet interface, or replace it, those almost always work only in windows |
| 20:41.32 | ma3x | found the package name |
| 20:41.39 | deadcat | TyreseJones: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/video/demo/mol.demo.divx4.avi my mol demo |
| 20:41.47 | mhall | mmiikkee12: hmm, is it wireless or ethernet? |
| 20:41.52 | mmiikkee12 | usb |
| 20:41.54 | redpoptart | mhall, i installed it just fine. it was me_here that was asking about j2se |
| 20:42.04 | deadcat | brb. brush my teeth at 1:41pm heheh. |
| 20:42.07 | mhall | mmiikkee12: oh it's a DSL modem |
| 20:42.11 | mmiikkee12 | yes |
| 20:42.12 | redpoptart | but thank you for the clarification :) |
| 20:42.18 | mhall | mmiikkee12: doesn't it have an Ethernet jack as well as USB? |
| 20:42.24 | mhall | mmiikkee12: my old Westell had both |
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| 20:42.30 | mmiikkee12 | yeah, but my computer doesn't |
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| 20:42.41 | mhall | mmiikkee12: You can get the PCI card for 5 bux. |
| 20:42.43 | safaa | can I use NS1.NAMERESOLVE.COM as nameserver for my domain? |
| 20:42.48 | me_here | is jdk 5.0 ready to install in debian ? |
| 20:42.54 | FieldySnuts | getting those to work over usb is very difficult and usually impossible (only works on windows), your best bet is to pick up an NIC |
| 20:43.02 | mhall | me_here: redpoptart told you what to do |
| 20:43.06 | mhall | me_here: now do it |
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| 20:43.26 | safaa | Is there anyone here that's into name servers? |
| 20:43.37 | mhall | nvz: That doesn't compare to what I did to your mom last week... |
| 20:43.42 | mmiikkee12 | !nameserver |
| 20:43.51 | nvz | I went to the pizza house last night and they were sold out |
| 20:43.52 | mmiikkee12 | apparently dpkg isn't |
| 20:44.02 | nvz | still waiting for them bitches to make more pizza |
| 20:44.03 | safaa | !nameserver |
| 20:44.11 | mmiikkee12 | !name server |
| 20:44.15 | mmiikkee12 | !log |
| 20:44.15 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
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| 20:44.20 | mhall | er, f0ck |
| 20:44.24 | yahalom | i just setup my router so i no longer need pppoeconf to dial my connection, how do i turn it off? |
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| 20:44.29 | xDes02 | deadcat: it didn't work |
| 20:44.29 | redpoptart | i went to subway the other day and they were out of bread O.o they asked me if i wanted a salad instead >:-| |
| 20:44.40 | mmiikkee12 | anyway, back to Java |
| 20:44.43 | fortysixand2 | out of bread? wtf? |
| 20:44.48 | mmiikkee12 | wtf? |
| 20:44.50 | redpoptart | i know. ridiculous :/ |
| 20:45.08 | sepski | nemik, dmesg | grep ttyS to find out if your kernel detected your ports |
| 20:45.19 | fortysixand2 | that's ok. I went to an all-you-can-eat rib place that was out of ribs, baked beans AND corn! |
| 20:45.32 | mhall | fortysixand2: ! |
| 20:45.34 | TyreseJones | deadcat, i'm downloading ur MOL demo... and the site looks promising |
| 20:45.42 | fortysixand2 | I was like OMGWTFBBQ? |
| 20:45.45 | mmiikkee12 | !slap dpkg |
| 20:45.49 | mhall | fortysixand2: Did you lart the holy everloving shit out of them? |
| 20:45.53 | mmiikkee12 | XD |
| 20:46.02 | mhall | fortysixand2: Are all their base now belong to you? |
| 20:46.10 | nemik | how would i install serial port modules? |
| 20:46.13 | fortysixand2 | lol |
| 20:46.14 | mhall | !kill mmiikkee12 |
| 20:46.23 | fortysixand2 | I just shook my head and left |
| 20:46.24 | nvz | this isnt a subway, its one of a kind original pizza house pizza. they go and lock themselves in the back of the pizza house around noon, and make dough and peperoni and sause then at like 5 they open up and slang out pizza by the slice untill its all gone |
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| 20:46.45 | mhall | nvz: lol, sweet |
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| 20:46.54 | black13 | zophyz still there? |
| 20:46.56 | mhall | nvz: you're making me hungry |
| 20:47.15 | nvz | I've been hungry since last night |
| 20:47.16 | mhall | nvz: I got real drunk yesterday so I've been lazy and haven't eaten even though it's almost 2PM |
| 20:47.27 | nvz | eating damn poptarts, |
| 20:47.31 | mhall | nvz: I spent about 70 bux at the bar. |
| 20:47.42 | nvz | last night I went to get this great pizza and came back with a bag of combos |
| 20:47.44 | black13 | mhall nice to have a young mans body |
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| 20:47.47 | nvz | cause they were sold out |
| 20:47.50 | mhall | black13: lol yes |
| 20:47.54 | ma3x | how can i give permission to normal user to u/mount devices? |
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| 20:47.57 | mhall | black13: but also not so nice |
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| 20:48.03 | mhall | black13: it did not even get me very drunk |
| 20:48.06 | xDes02 | deadcat: I tried the dhclient ethX command, but it didn't work |
| 20:48.07 | nvz | ma3x: man fstab |
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| 20:48.09 | TyreseJones | deadcat, I gotta run for about an hour or so, it's saturday night, and the ladies are ringing up my phone! But I'll be BACK! |
| 20:48.17 | mhall | TyreseJones: lol! |
| 20:48.28 | mhall | TyreseJones: you h4x0r their pantz0r |
| 20:48.31 | black13 | !black13 drinks he hurts the next day |
| 20:48.31 | TyreseJones | thanks for the tip man - my macs are going to be linux-fied once again! |
| 20:48.42 | mhall | TyreseJones: and 0wnz0r their b0n3z0r |
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| 20:49.04 | fortysixand2 | *error!! too much leet-speak detected |
| 20:49.05 | nvz | I can probably head to the pizza house now |
| 20:49.27 | black13 | anyone ever had fellinis in atlanta? |
| 20:49.48 | ma3x | nevz: still can't figure it out |
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| 20:50.18 | TyreseJones | LOL @ mhall Dats me! lol - Anyway guys thanks for the help - if only people where this helpful in real life as they are in IRC chat rooms |
| 20:50.18 | mhall | fortysixand2: Hey, it works on your mom! |
| 20:50.26 | PeterB | !1337 mhall |
| 20:50.48 | mhall | PeterB: Well of course dpkg's is hax0r. It's a program. heh. |
| 20:50.58 | mhall | s/dpkg's/dpkg/g |
| 20:51.12 | fortysixand2 | my mom's dead, you insensitive clod! |
| 20:51.14 | streuner | mhall: What's up? You have fun, today? :-) |
| 20:51.24 | mhall | fortysixand2: no worries, we can dig her up |
| 20:51.28 | fortysixand2 | :D |
| 20:51.39 | mhall | streuner: er yesterday I did |
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| 20:51.45 | mhall | streuner: I killed 70USD at the bar |
| 20:51.53 | mhall | streuner: now I'm at home recovering |
| 20:51.55 | mhall | streuner: hehe |
| 20:52.04 | fortysixand2 | if it was an airport bar, that's ike 3 beers |
| 20:52.33 | streuner | mhall: well, 70 bucks is nodays in europe nothing, the double the prizes for everything here... ;-) |
| 20:52.35 | mhall | fortysixand2: it was 4 doubles of whisky on the rocks plus another shot |
| 20:52.45 | streuner | s/the/they/ |
| 20:52.48 | fortysixand2 | fun! |
| 20:52.54 | mhall | fortysixand2: most definitely |
| 20:53.09 | mhall | fortysixand2: I always do fine with the chicks when I'm drunk but not when I'm not. |
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| 20:53.16 | mhall | fortysixand2: A common problem I've heard. |
| 20:53.16 | fortysixand2 | lol |
| 20:53.33 | TyreseJones | streuner, YES!! We sure do!! I live in the UK - how can 10 dollars, only equate to 5 pounds and 30 pence? that's crazy |
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| 20:53.42 | ma3x | how to mount with normal user? |
| 20:53.54 | mhall | TyreseJones: Well it's the cost of living in a high tax country. |
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| 20:53.58 | TecnoVM64 | hello, i have a little problem when im trying to install gaim, it needs libaspell15c2 but when i try to install it using apt-get, it just wants to remove all my kde apps |
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| 20:54.33 | mhall | TyreseJones: Also, in the US the market is more competitive and keeps costs down. Europe tends to be more unionized and protectionist. |
| 20:54.50 | TyreseJones | mhall, DAMN Politicians! Charging us whatever they like, and this is suppose to be a FREE country!! It's damn expensive for a free country!! |
| 20:55.26 | fortysixand2 | TecnoVM64: mine too |
| 20:55.28 | jaymzh | Heya. If XPrint is running, all my printouts are *HUGE* - like 1 word fits across a page. If I disable Xprint, printing takes a long time, (well, when I hit "print" it freezes for a second or two), but then prints normally |
| 20:55.29 | streuner | mhall: not only europe, the trend is bad, but those china exports kill our economy... |
| 20:55.55 | TecnoVM64 | fortysixand2: no solution yet? |
| 20:56.07 | fortysixand2 | I have not found one |
| 20:56.11 | TecnoVM64 | oh |
| 20:56.14 | jaymzh | I'm on Xorg, but it was happening befor ethe switch |
| 20:56.15 | black13 | i dont have .Xauthority file |
| 20:56.19 | fortysixand2 | I have an older version installed |
| 20:56.28 | dogmeat | is there a way to check that all the files are present from a deb file? |
| 20:56.39 | TecnoVM64 | fortysixand2: i want to install it, but where's that old version? |
| 20:56.41 | mhall | TyreseJones: Not that free anymore. Crytography is illegal. And more shit will be since those attacks... |
| 20:56.44 | PeterB | OT: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't going to a lot of foreign countries quite cheap for the British? The wages are high, but currency exchange rates don't compensate that, right? |
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| 20:57.09 | mhall | streuner: Oh yeah. I hate to say it because I'm a tolerant person, but I think that we might have to bomb them. |
| 20:57.10 | fortysixand2 | Tecno: I am using the version from testing. Just add the testing repos and you should be OK |
| 20:57.23 | jaymzh | Also, since my switch to XOrg, Xdm doesn't play nicely with X anymore... |
| 20:57.24 | nemik | sepski, grep ttyS is taking a long time and "dmes | grep ttyS" just gave an error |
| 20:57.37 | sepski | dmesg | grep ttyS |
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| 20:57.44 | streuner | PeterB: euro is strong, so joining the states is pretty cheap for us in europe, dunno about britain... |
| 20:57.59 | TecnoVM64 | fortysixand2: ok, let me try it, thanks |
| 20:58.00 | streuner | mhall: hehe |
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| 20:58.08 | fortysixand2 | np |
| 20:58.11 | sepski | nemik, grep ttyS for itself is going to take forever since your not feeding it anything |
| 20:58.19 | black13 | how do i make .xauthity file |
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| 20:58.30 | jaymzh | black13: with "xauth" |
| 20:58.47 | black13 | i type xauth i get a command prompt |
| 20:58.52 | mhall | streuner: I'm serious. I think they are going to try to illegally reclaim Taiwan, or possibly fight a war for petrol, or continue to illegally violate trade agreements to unfairly inflate their currency, or... |
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| 20:59.01 | mhall | streuner: And then they will need to be bombed. |
| 20:59.15 | nemik | sepski, ok it found it. ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
| 20:59.28 | fortysixand2 | Tecno: xorg is also giving me problems with kdm. just fyi |
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| 21:00.00 | xar||k | debian or gentoo??? - europe or USA??? |
| 21:00.00 | Pendrag0n | Does anyone here know of a sarge orachle.deb? |
| 21:00.01 | sepski | nemik, you have the drivers then, i guess it's a matter of udev or devfs, not showing them ?? you use any of those ? |
| 21:00.05 | jaymzh | black13: yeah... ther's a command from within there that does it... or atleast there was... I can't seem to find it now |
| 21:00.11 | Pendrag0n | I can't find an oracel deb package |
| 21:00.14 | Pendrag0n | for sarge |
| 21:00.17 | gravity | Coke or Pepsi? Coke or Heroin? |
| 21:00.19 | gravity | I can't decide |
| 21:00.20 | mhall | Pendrag0n: oracle is non-free |
| 21:00.27 | Pendrag0n | o |
| 21:00.48 | black13 | jaymzh thanks for looking im hitting up google ... |
| 21:00.49 | nemik | sepski, udev or devfs, sorry i don't know what they are. but the serials ttySx don't show up in /dev |
| 21:00.55 | fortysixand2 | free as in speech or beer? |
| 21:01.00 | jaymzh | fortysixand2: what kinda of problems? With me... sometimes after boot, I have to kill -9 the "X" process and then when xdm restarts it, it'll be fine. |
| 21:01.07 | sepski | nither |
| 21:01.09 | black13 | what happens if i dont have .Xauthority file when i run startx? |
| 21:01.20 | mhall | Pendrag0n: and we can't package and serve out non-free stuff |
| 21:01.22 | fortysixand2 | jaymzh: When I end a session, it kicks me out and I have to restart kdm |
| 21:01.22 | Pendrag0n | how not free? |
| 21:01.27 | mhall | Pendrag0n: so you have to download it from them |
| 21:01.31 | fortysixand2 | instead of going back to the login screen |
| 21:01.32 | jaymzh | Pendrag0n: VERY not free. expensive |
| 21:01.33 | Pendrag0n | cause like you can download the latest release from there site. |
| 21:01.35 | nemik | sepski, no, neither of them |
| 21:01.38 | mhall | Pendrag0n: it's not open source and freely redistributable |
| 21:01.40 | Pendrag0n | hmm |
| 21:01.41 | drac | black13: it creates a new one? |
| 21:01.42 | sepski | nemik, me nither, i never use the stuff. but i think you can see if you have devfs mounted by doing a mount command and see if anythings mounted on /dev |
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| 21:01.46 | Pendrag0n | shit |
| 21:01.48 | mhall | Pendrag0n: and we can't package stuff with no source |
| 21:01.53 | xDes02 | I'm installing sarge, but the installer can't locate my DHCP router |
| 21:01.55 | Pendrag0n | you need oracle for compiar |
| 21:01.56 | mhall | Pendrag0n: google up the DFSG |
| 21:01.58 | fortysixand2 | oracle for development use is free of charge |
| 21:02.02 | jaymzh | Pendrag0n: isn't that just a test version? |
| 21:02.05 | jaymzh | oh.. |
| 21:02.13 | Pendrag0n | compiar? |
| 21:02.15 | streuner | xDes02: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 21:02.15 | mhall | Pendrag0n: it's our rules for what's free |
| 21:02.18 | Pendrag0n | the erp compiar |
| 21:02.22 | Pendrag0n | o lol |
| 21:02.31 | Pendrag0n | yeah, no I know what your rules are |
| 21:02.32 | jaymzh | black13: mkxauth |
| 21:02.37 | sepski | nemik, and you have none of the /dev/ttySxx files? |
| 21:02.37 | Pendrag0n | I have 9 or 10 deb boxes |
| 21:02.47 | nemik | sepski, oh you don't use serial ports? this box relies on them. i chose debian because of stability. ubuntu found them fine but lost permissions even to chmod 777 files after a while! |
| 21:02.47 | Pendrag0n | I just thought oracle was os |
| 21:02.47 | mhall | Pendrag0n: just making sure |
| 21:02.49 | black13 | jaymzh ok let me try that |
| 21:02.51 | Pendrag0n | never used it before |
| 21:03.01 | Pendrag0n | was trying to install it, play with it and learn about it |
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| 21:03.14 | mhall | Pendrag0n: the two OS databases are mysql and postgresql |
| 21:03.15 | sepski | nemik, i use neither of udev or devfs i meant |
| 21:03.23 | mhall | Pendrag0n: and maybe berkeley db and sqlite |
| 21:03.31 | sepski | nemik, do a ls /dev | wc -l |
| 21:03.43 | notcbr | ls -1 dev |
| 21:03.44 | fortysixand2 | jaymzh: there is a new version of xorg in unstable since I installed it. maybe they fixed some stuff... |
| 21:03.46 | DeadZed | Can I restore 120gb fat32 somehow? I accidentally did dd /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 for 5 secs :( |
| 21:03.47 | jaymzh | black13: but I think that startx will create one for ya.... it's been a LONG time since I've messed with it |
| 21:03.56 | Pendrag0n | anyone have a clue what oracle costs? |
| 21:03.58 | jaymzh | fortysixand2: I'm using the unstable one |
| 21:04.10 | sepski | Pendrag0n, an arm and a leg |
| 21:04.18 | Pendrag0n | for a server to run an application? do they charge per server or user licence? |
| 21:04.19 | jaymzh | Pendrag0n: someone just said it's free for development... but for production it's LOTS of money |
| 21:04.22 | sepski | Pendrag0n, and possibly a grandmother if you want support |
| 21:04.24 | fortysixand2 | the newest? I am using unstable, but apparently not the newest |
| 21:04.31 | Pendrag0n | LMAO |
| 21:04.34 | jaymzh | they have varying pricing structures |
| 21:04.37 | mhall | sepski: LOL! |
| 21:04.45 | FieldySnuts | Pendrag0n: asking in the wrong channel, and actually on the wrong network, this network is about open source projects not closed source / commercial. ask oracle yourself |
| 21:04.52 | jaymzh | 6.8.2.dfsg.1-3 |
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| 21:04.55 | nemik | sepski, it gave me "1588" |
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| 21:05.10 | sepski | DeadZed, yeah , just mkfs the partition and restore from backups |
| 21:05.14 | mhall | sepski: Surprisingly you can get complete 1-box enterprise support from Sun for $300 a year. |
| 21:05.15 | xDes02 | streuner: thank you, I'm new at this, but I assume that that means I complete the installation, then follow those instructions |
| 21:05.22 | jaymzh | ah |
| 21:05.23 | fortysixand2 | jaymzh: how do i see the version of the installed package? |
| 21:05.24 | mhall | sepski: Which isn't bad for what you get. |
| 21:05.24 | jaymzh | they have 1.4 |
| 21:05.28 | sepski | nemik, you serious ? i got 212. |
| 21:05.36 | jaymzh | fortysixand2: dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg |
| 21:05.36 | jaymzh | or |
| 21:05.38 | jaymzh | X -version |
| 21:05.40 | nemik | sepski, yes that is what i gothtec |
| 21:05.41 | fortysixand2 | thx |
| 21:05.41 | DeadZed | sepski I didnt get that ... I do # mkfs ? |
| 21:05.58 | streuner | xDes02: its not the usual behavior, make sure you haven't a firewall running on your router/gateway... |
| 21:06.02 | DeadZed | sepski aah .. youre joking |
| 21:06.05 | sepski | deadcat, format the partition, then restore the files on the partition from your backups |
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| 21:06.15 | sepski | DeadZed, i never joke |
| 21:06.23 | fortysixand2 | jaymzh: I have the same version, and apparently there is an update |
| 21:06.25 | DeadZed | which backups |
| 21:06.33 | DeadZed | I deleted the drive |
| 21:06.37 | sepski | DeadZed, now your the one joking. |
| 21:06.38 | RoundQube | is ftp.debian.org down? |
| 21:06.41 | black13 | is mkxauth part of the xorg distro? |
| 21:06.42 | fortysixand2 | when I do aptitude upgrade, it shows them |
| 21:06.45 | streuner | xDes02: So d-i (debian-installer) regonises your NIC? |
| 21:06.45 | jaymzh | fortysixand2: yeah, but http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/xorg-x11_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4/changelog |
| 21:06.56 | jaymzh | the changelog doesn't show anything useful in this area |
| 21:06.56 | RoundQube | nevermind |
| 21:07.05 | streuner | black13: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:07.21 | DeadZed | sepski I asked if there is a way to rescue a drive and youre telling me that I should restore something |
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| 21:07.26 | jaymzh | Anyone here at all familiar with XPrint? |
| 21:07.26 | fortysixand2 | jaymzh: I guess we keep waiting! |
| 21:07.29 | jaymzh | ::sigh:: |
| 21:07.37 | sepski | DeadZed, umm i guess you overwrote the FAT table then, google for any recoverytool. scan the partition and save the resulting files somewhere, you probably lost their names, but the content should be there |
| 21:07.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? Do you know what happened to the frys ads? |
| 21:07.48 | streuner | black13: there are 3 branches in debian, stable/sarge, testing/etch and sid/unstable |
| 21:07.54 | sepski | DeadZed, a rescue is most often a restore. |
| 21:07.54 | jaymzh | fortysixand2: yeah. I'm OK with the xdm+Xorg issues, but the XPrint issues are driving me nuts and they're try both in XFree and XOrg |
| 21:08.06 | fortysixand2 | what's up w/ Xprint? |
| 21:08.10 | DeadZed | sepski thers loads of advets for win rescue soft but none for linux .. my win is hosed too :) |
| 21:08.19 | jaymzh | fortysixand2: 55> <jaymzh> Heya. If XPrint is running, all my printouts are *HUGE* - like 1 word fits across a page. If I disable Xprint, printing takes a long time, (well, when I hit "print" it freezes for a second or two), but then prints normally |
| 21:08.23 | streuner | black13: there are 'backports' for sarge/stable |
| 21:08.34 | xDes02 | streuner: yes, I believe so |
| 21:08.35 | fortysixand2 | hmmmm |
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| 21:08.46 | jaymzh | is sid *always* unstable... because sarge was testing, and sid unstable, then sarge became stable and sid stayed unstable... |
| 21:08.46 | black13 | what is a backport? |
| 21:08.51 | sk545 | anyone getting a lot of "failed to fetch" error with apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:08.52 | nemik | sepski, i installed via the small netinstall CD, does that make a difference? should i try a full one? |
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| 21:08.58 | fortysixand2 | I dunno; it might be the price we pay for running a version labeled "unstable" |
| 21:08.59 | streuner | xDes02: just run 'ifconfig' |
| 21:09.08 | jaymzh | sk545: did you 'apt-get update' first? |
| 21:09.18 | streuner | !tell black13 about backports |
| 21:09.30 | sk545 | jaymzh, yes, i updated first... |
| 21:09.42 | sepski | nemik, shoudnt make a difference |
| 21:09.47 | cappicard | black13: a feature found in newer versions of a piece of software is ported to an older version of that same software. |
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| 21:09.57 | sk545 | its like so: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/libxss1_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 21:10.03 | jaymzh | fortysixand2: naw, it seemed to start when I changed CUPS drivers to the official HP ones... |
| 21:10.16 | Pendrag0n | exit |
| 21:10.20 | jaymzh | sk545: that mirror probably hasn't gotten the new package yet |
| 21:10.21 | black13 | i tried dpkg -S mkxauth on my debian system ... nada |
| 21:10.22 | sk545 | all are xorg related, it would appear... |
| 21:10.22 | fortysixand2 | jaymzh: I hear you. I hate printing |
| 21:10.23 | RoundQube | sk545: im getting very slow responses/no responses from ftp mirrors too |
| 21:10.24 | xDes02 | streuner: done, is there anything specific I should look for? |
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| 21:10.34 | sepski | DeadZed, there is a tool called recover, but i think it's for ext2 only |
| 21:10.34 | DeadZed | Is there a way to rescue a hosed fat32 with linux somehow? |
| 21:10.40 | nemik | sepski, any other distro you recommend that can do this? apt-get is nice for installing things quickly but no required. just need something small and simple and stable that work easily with serial ports |
| 21:10.44 | DeadZed | ehhh :( |
| 21:10.44 | cappicard | whee... time to reboot into 2.6.11.12-skas |
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| 21:10.58 | RoundQube | whats -skas? |
| 21:11.03 | DeadZed | Im fucked |
| 21:11.05 | jaymzh | DeadZed: you could dd the data off and start sifting through it, if you need somethign specific off of it |
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| 21:11.14 | sepski | nemik, well i'v never had issues with nonexsistant serialports. and debian sarge is the most stable youll find |
| 21:11.17 | sk545 | jaymzh, what mirror is a good one to use then? |
| 21:11.35 | BibTeX | hello. How to play DVD's. I put the DVD and the system did nothin. |
| 21:11.36 | jaymzh | sk545: I think that package only made it in today, so it's probably pushing out - give it some time |
| 21:11.39 | black13 | however it is part of mandrake system |
| 21:11.49 | DeadZed | jaymzh Id need another 120 gig drive for dd-ing I guess |
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| 21:11.56 | jaymzh | DeadZed: you can do it in chucks |
| 21:12.01 | jaymzh | with offset and count |
| 21:12.07 | nemik | sepski, yes that is what i hear as well and why i chose it. i had problems with ubuntu, probably because of its sudo thing |
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| 21:12.09 | streuner | xDes02: nah, you should simply get : eth0 |
| 21:12.10 | jaymzh | it's a HUGE pain |
| 21:12.12 | jaymzh | but it's doable |
| 21:12.21 | sepski | how many files should there be in a sarge's /dev ususaly ? ls /dev | wc -l |
| 21:12.29 | sk545 | jaymzh, alright, thx. I'll wait. RoundQube, yeah i was getting very slow ftp speed as well, the http works though, but with errors. |
| 21:12.34 | jaymzh | sepski: depeneds on if you use udeve or not |
| 21:12.34 | black13 | mkxauth is just a shell script |
| 21:12.37 | fortysixand2 | brb |
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| 21:12.59 | DeadZed | jaymzh what do you think are my chances recovering that drive ... its 120gb fat32 70% full .. I dd-d hda1 to it for 5 secs |
| 21:12.59 | mhall | jaymzh: yes sid is always unstable |
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| 21:13.11 | sepski | jaymzh, its nemik that dont have any of the ttySxx files in /dev |
| 21:13.18 | streuner | sepski: not many ;-) |
| 21:13.19 | mhall | jaymzh: he's the bad kid in toy story |
| 21:13.21 | sepski | jaymzh, and he dont use any of them |
| 21:13.23 | mhall | jaymzh: so it makes sense |
| 21:13.25 | fortysixand2 | sid can be pretty stable at times |
| 21:13.27 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# ls /dev | wc -l |
| 21:13.27 | streuner | 1652 |
| 21:13.28 | sepski | and have 1k files |
| 21:13.41 | streuner | dpkg, win streuner |
| 21:13.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:13.46 | sepski | nemik, he's a few short of your streuner |
| 21:13.50 | sk545 | sid was stable...till xorg/abi change recently. |
| 21:14.04 | gravity | xorg shouldn't be upsetting sid any more |
| 21:14.05 | fortysixand2 | yeah, the whole gcc4 thins |
| 21:14.08 | fortysixand2 | thing |
| 21:14.08 | xDes02 | streuner: what I got was nothing close |
| 21:14.20 | mhall | streuner: I get 23. |
| 21:14.24 | streuner | xDes02: hm |
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| 21:14.29 | fortysixand2 | but now firefox also want to pull down gcc4 |
| 21:14.29 | streuner | xDes02: /j #flood |
| 21:14.33 | DeadZed | no-one fucking cares man .. |
| 21:14.35 | sk545 | but its true, Sid is quite stable. |
| 21:14.49 | streuner | dpkg, lart sk545 |
| 21:14.52 | nemik | should i downgrade to sid? from sarge? |
| 21:14.55 | mhall | DeadZed: Your mom cares. |
| 21:15.03 | DeadZed | no she dont |
| 21:15.07 | streuner | sk545: sid is unstable, and unstable IS fucking unstable |
| 21:15.11 | initech | sid is not stable |
| 21:15.31 | sepski | nemik, sarge(stable)->etch(testing)->sid(unstable) |
| 21:15.39 | nemik | so anything older than sarge i can try that is stable? |
| 21:15.43 | sk545 | i was just saying its somewhat stable...didn't mean that its STABLE branch. |
| 21:15.49 | simonrvn | use sarge |
| 21:15.50 | nemik | oh ok, thanks sepski for clarification |
| 21:15.51 | DeadZed | yeah .. unstable is fucking unstable and stable is stable .. Im smart too |
| 21:16.04 | mhall | DeadZed: And Mr. no-one also cares. |
| 21:16.15 | nemik | simonrvn, i can't get serial ports to work on sarge |
| 21:16.49 | streuner | sk545: read /topic about and remember 2 years ago when new libc6 breaks everything (almost)... |
| 21:16.58 | simonrvn | and the problem is? it's not because it's stable that your serial ports "don't work" |
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| 21:17.10 | streuner | sk545: that could happen any time and pretty soon... |
| 21:17.19 | simonrvn | usually because of user error |
| 21:17.24 | crazy2k | Can someone send me the "/etc/ppp/options" file. I removed it accidentally. |
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| 21:17.48 | crazy2k | Can someone send me the "/etc/ppp/options" file? I removed it accidentally. |
| 21:17.48 | sepski | nemik, you could just create the ttyS0 file with MAKEDEV, but i can't explain why you dont have them already, never seen that before |
| 21:17.54 | sk545 | streuner, i know. At least it was 2 years ago, so thats not too bad for something that is supposed to be unstable. |
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| 21:18.14 | nomed^ | hi |
| 21:18.21 | fortysixand2 | hi |
| 21:18.22 | sk545 | hi |
| 21:18.31 | nemik | have any of you tried euronode? i suspect i may try it next. debian based with apt-get but very minimal |
| 21:18.45 | sk545 | what is it? |
| 21:18.50 | sepski | never heard of it |
| 21:18.59 | fortysixand2 | me either |
| 21:19.09 | nemik | http://euronode.org seems to be a debian based distro |
| 21:19.40 | black13 | bad display name "game:0" in "add" command |
| 21:19.50 | black13 | what the heck does that mean |
| 21:19.54 | sepski | nemik, well it just dosnt make sense to use anything based on debian, when you can use the 'real thing' (TM) |
| 21:19.58 | sk545 | looks like a firewall distro... |
| 21:20.11 | sepski | nemik, just adds more links that can break |
| 21:20.30 | sepski | black13, what you tryingf to do ? run a x from a remote computer ? |
| 21:20.33 | nemik | well yes, but ubuntu is just based on it too, but it worked |
| 21:20.35 | fortysixand2 | sepski: I dunno; the debian-based livecds are useful |
| 21:20.39 | nemik | well the ports at least |
| 21:21.05 | sepski | fortysixand2, yes but that's something entierly differentl |
| 21:21.08 | black13 | sepski no i am trying to create an .Xauthority file so startx will stop giving errors |
| 21:21.14 | crazy2k | sepski, would you sent me the /etc/ppp/options file, please? |
| 21:21.22 | fortysixand2 | sepski: right on |
| 21:21.40 | sepski | crazy2k, from where? i have never had the need for a pppoe setup ? |
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| 21:22.40 | sk545 | man, kde3.4 is taking forever to be in sid... |
| 21:23.00 | simonrvn | black13: just remove it, it'll get re-created |
| 21:23.19 | sepski | nemik, euronode is based of woody, that's soon to be unsupported old release |
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| 21:23.56 | crazy2k | sepski, oh, now that I think so, that file might be automatically created by pppoeconf. |
| 21:24.00 | nemik | i heard woody was pretty stable... |
| 21:24.12 | deadcat | nemik: its ok |
| 21:24.15 | black13 | simonrvn i think you may have answer my question what if this on a ROM based system |
| 21:24.17 | simonrvn | it's oldstable. not recommended |
| 21:24.33 | simonrvn | then you're fucked :) |
| 21:24.39 | fortysixand2 | what KDE is in sid? |
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| 21:24.56 | Whisky_ | nemik, They didnt release sarge for fun |
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| 21:24.58 | simonrvn | @tell fortysixand2 about pdo |
| 21:25.03 | streuner | dpkg, info konqueror sid |
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| 21:25.10 | Whisky_ | fortysixand2, Kde 9034483385737534530 |
| 21:25.22 | nemik | but i don't need any advanced features. all i do with this box is query a mobile phone via serial port every 10 seconds, get the SMS's from it, and cURL them to a PHP script. nothing else |
| 21:25.22 | sepski | nemik, it is. it's a great release, but it's old. and will only have security updates for another year |
| 21:25.24 | cadu | pdo? |
| 21:25.37 | streuner | apt, pdo |
| 21:25.37 | apt | somebody said pdo was http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 21:25.37 | black13 | simonrvn the home directories are on rom/squashfs |
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| 21:25.52 | cadu | oh duh, nice 'nickname' |
| 21:26.03 | cadu | oh surely obvious :) |
| 21:26.07 | sepski | nemik, just try this cd /dev MAKEDEV ttyS0 |
| 21:26.20 | nemik | hehe Whisky, i know they didn't but i don't think i need the features in it. plus this box won't be a mailserver |
| 21:26.23 | simonrvn | um, cd /dev; |
| 21:26.27 | sepski | nemik, i have no idea why you dont get that automagicaly like me. but.. |
| 21:26.42 | nemik | i'll try sarge on a different box |
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| 21:27.06 | nemik | but it worked before with unbuntu, that is why i wanna try just some very very minimal distros |
| 21:27.21 | sepski | nemik, leaf.sf.net runs of a floppy disk |
| 21:27.26 | Whisky_ | nemik, Install win95 then, heh |
| 21:27.40 | nemik | hehe funny |
| 21:28.01 | black13 | what is the purpose of an .Xauthority file anyway? |
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| 21:28.24 | cddesjar | cool xorg is unstable! |
| 21:28.56 | cddesjar | gcc/g++ 4.0 have been unstable a while huh |
| 21:28.58 | jim | and unstable is presently VERY unstable... big mess at the moment |
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| 21:29.06 | cddesjar | it looks like it |
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| 21:29.40 | sepski | nemik, did the MAKEDEV do anything ? |
| 21:30.25 | ozzloy | anyone have suggestion for a laptop? |
| 21:30.38 | cddesjar | toshiba or ibm |
| 21:30.41 | nemik | well it didn't give errors but didn't make anything in dev either |
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| 21:31.05 | cbr | wasnt the sid repo updated at all today? |
| 21:31.14 | nemik | sepski, well it didn't give errors but didn't make anything in dev either |
| 21:31.18 | streuner | cbr: read /topic |
| 21:31.19 | gravity | cbr: No due to the first item in /topic |
| 21:31.24 | ozzloy | cddesjar, yeah, i've been thinking IBM. i hear that it's a little difficult to get linux running on it |
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| 21:31.39 | ozzloy | on thinkpads |
| 21:31.41 | cbr | oh.. what's newraff and newsamosa? |
| 21:31.46 | streuner | cbr: as long as ftp-master isn't ok, unstable get no packages anymore... |
| 21:31.53 | gravity | cbr: Two major debian machines |
| 21:31.57 | cddesjar | ozzloy: i'm running a dell inspiron 1100 and it works like a charm on linux...but its kind of a piece of shit |
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| 21:32.10 | sepski | nemik, mknod -m 666 /dev/ttyS0 c 4 64 |
| 21:32.14 | cddesjar | anyone ever run GRASS? |
| 21:32.26 | cbr | streuner: when are they gonna be up again? |
| 21:32.39 | streuner | cbr: ask 'Troup' |
| 21:32.48 | cbr | ? |
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| 21:33.06 | nemik | sepski, said /dev/ttyS0 does not exist |
| 21:33.22 | gravity | cbr: They're being FedEx'ed to HP for safekeeping. Once they get there, they'll be set up and running again temporarily until permanent hosting can be decided on for them |
| 21:33.32 | cddesjar | ozzloy: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
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| 21:33.47 | sepski | nemik, are you _sure_ your not running udev or devfs ? |
| 21:33.58 | nemik | sepskim, oops sorry! that is what i'm used to seeing. what it REALLY says is File exists. sorry again |
| 21:34.18 | sepski | nemik, if it exsists why are you saying that it dosn't exsist ? |
| 21:34.28 | nemik | i don't see it in ls |
| 21:34.29 | sepski | !confuse nemis |
| 21:34.30 | dpkg | No, what is our snake today, nemis? trousers of the people's republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
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| 21:34.53 | cddesjar | !GRASS |
| 21:34.53 | dpkg | i guess grass is is see marijuana |
| 21:35.15 | cddesjar | dpkg is a liar! |
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| 21:35.24 | jim | or at least a stutterer |
| 21:35.33 | reamtS | !liar |
| 21:35.33 | dpkg | liar is probably me |
| 21:35.34 | deet | is it possible to install debian using a custom kernel? that is, to replace the kernel on the install floppy? |
| 21:35.51 | ozzloy | thanks cddesjar |
| 21:35.57 | sepski | nemik, if you type mount do you see anything mounted on /dev ? |
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| 21:36.17 | cddesjar | no problem...it's nice to see what kind of problems other have encountered with a particular type of laptop before you invest! |
| 21:36.21 | nemik | sepski, yes i do, devpts |
| 21:36.37 | nemik | and tmpfs |
| 21:36.48 | sepski | both mounted on /dev ? |
| 21:37.12 | nemik | one on /dev/pts and other on /dev/shm |
| 21:37.15 | hagen | !help |
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| 21:37.29 | sepski | nemik, and nothing mounted on /dev ? |
| 21:37.38 | nemik | no |
| 21:37.40 | _ad_ | does the lynx package come without an .lynxrc file? |
| 21:37.43 | jim | deet: you would have to use make-kpkg to build that kernel... then you make .udebs out of it... then you build up a debian-installer |
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| 21:38.13 | jim | I haven't been successful at doing these things, but those are the overall steps |
| 21:38.14 | nemik | i re-installed a bunch of times as well, and this happened every time |
| 21:38.23 | black13 | do you need an xauthority file to run xorg or do you have to have one that is readable |
| 21:38.43 | deet | jim: got a link to a howto by any chance? |
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| 21:42.42 | nvz | I should have just ordered a pizza half an hour ago.. I knew I wasnt getting off my ass to go get one |
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| 21:42.55 | sepski | goodnight all. sorry bout your ttyS0 nemik hopefully someone with more clue then me comes along |
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| 21:43.07 | deadcat | whats dbus daemon? |
| 21:43.08 | nemik | no problem i really appreciate the help |
| 21:43.17 | nemik | goodnight |
| 21:43.38 | ma3x | when i press ctrl+backspace i logout |
| 21:43.42 | ma3x | why the hell? |
| 21:43.47 | ma3x | it logs me out just like that |
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| 21:43.56 | ma3x | i checked in the control center foò this hotkey |
| 21:43.59 | ma3x | and its not there |
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| 21:44.05 | deadcat | looks like xorg related. strange. |
| 21:44.06 | ma3x | how do i remove it? |
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| 21:44.15 | theDark | does someone know how i can disallow creating channels with the ircd-hybrid server? thx |
| 21:44.21 | ma3x | im on xfree |
| 21:44.22 | gravity | deadcat: dbus has nothing to do with X.Org |
| 21:44.30 | deadcat | gravity: oh shit. |
| 21:44.57 | gravity | Yet, at any rate. People are considering it. |
| 21:45.02 | deadcat | gravity: its a message bus daemon. |
| 21:45.08 | gravity | deadcat: Yes |
| 21:45.16 | gravity | Gnome uses it |
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| 21:45.51 | deadcat | gravity: i dont use gnome. maybe gdm? |
| 21:46.04 | gravity | deadcat: Possibly. Just check the rdepends |
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| 21:46.23 | cddesjar | how do i get a list of us mirrors for /etc/apt/sources.list so that i can use that url to download packages? |
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| 21:46.37 | cddesjar | us = USA |
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| 21:47.07 | ma3x | help please |
| 21:47.16 | dabaR | us=USA?? /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 21:47.19 | ma3x | ctrl+backspace acts like ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 21:47.21 | ma3x | it kills X |
| 21:47.38 | ice_1963 | yup |
| 21:48.03 | deadcat | gravity: how do i reverse depend again? |
| 21:48.11 | deadcat | got it |
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| 21:49.09 | deadcat | gravity: just xfce4-terminal on the list, but i am not using it. i just installed xfce4 for testing and for friends. |
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| 21:50.16 | ArtistAgent | hello fellow debian lovers |
| 21:50.30 | ice_1963 | hello |
| 21:50.45 | deadcat | ArtistAgent: dont get me started. i am piss at debian right now |
| 21:50.56 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 21:51.16 | gravity | deadcat: Because you have dbus installed? |
| 21:51.22 | deadcat | gravity: yes (= |
| 21:51.28 | gravity | Just remove it dude |
| 21:51.30 | gravity | Fucking A |
| 21:51.30 | ArtistAgent | :) ah you guys will make up |
| 21:51.51 | Whisky_ | ermmm someone give me some good mirrors to put in sources.list, i only got my CD-ROM drive there, heh |
| 21:51.58 | cadu | apt, dbus |
| 21:51.58 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 21:52.04 | cadu | what's dbus? |
| 21:52.05 | deadcat | gravity: it will remove camorama, gnomemeeting gdesklets gdm rox-filer )= |
| 21:52.08 | cadu | some idiot technology ? :) |
| 21:52.19 | cadu | i just keep it coz rox-filer needs it >: |
| 21:52.23 | ArtistAgent | apt, kphone |
| 21:52.23 | apt | hmm... kphone is Linux sip phone at http://www.wirlab.net/kphone/ |
| 21:52.25 | gravity | deadcat: Well then, that's not Debian's fault |
| 21:52.30 | gravity | deadcat: Blame gnome |
| 21:52.38 | deadcat | gravity: die gnome fuckers die... |
| 21:52.44 | ice_1963 | Debian is the Best linux out there :0)- |
| 21:53.02 | DeadZed | no debian is the worst |
| 21:53.06 | deadcat | ice_1963: i am more of a mandrake guy (= |
| 21:53.07 | cadu | someone said Ubuntu is getting better coz it's trying to organize and time debian, but i just can't believe :) |
| 21:53.17 | cadu | mandrake? eek! |
| 21:53.17 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 21:53.22 | DeadZed | ubuntu makes debian worse |
| 21:53.27 | cadu | DeadZed: why? :) |
| 21:53.28 | DeadZed | mandrake sucks too |
| 21:53.38 | cadu | indeed, mandrake sucks |
| 21:53.40 | ice_1963 | that's right lol |
| 21:53.42 | pureone | !start a distro war |
| 21:53.43 | dpkg | Gentoo rocks! |
| 21:53.44 | cadu | but i've never tried ubuntu |
| 21:53.45 | DeadZed | linux is the worst os on the planet |
| 21:53.58 | DeadZed | unix sucks my toes |
| 21:54.00 | ArtistAgent | WHAT!? |
| 21:54.04 | ice_1963 | mans |
| 21:54.05 | Isumi | linux isnt an OS DeadZed... |
| 21:54.06 | cadu | people say ubuntu is nice and organized and shit |
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| 21:54.11 | deadcat | DeadZed: ya. i dont hate windows no more.. after i stop using it.. |
| 21:54.24 | Whisky_ | ermmm someone give me some good mirrors to put in sources.list from their own :S |
| 21:54.36 | brobdingnagian | DeadZed must be a Microsoft lover. Who let him in? |
| 21:54.38 | DeadZed | bsd sukcs as well ... |
| 21:54.44 | ArtistAgent | um right i guess we are all inclined to our hmm opinions? |
| 21:54.56 | gravity | Christ... when did it turn stupid in here? |
| 21:55.04 | gravity | deadcat: How on earth can you use Mandrake and complain about dbus? |
| 21:55.06 | deadcat | gconfd-2 is required by firefox ya? |
| 21:55.06 | PeterB | Whisky_: apt-setup |
| 21:55.20 | deadcat | gravity: kidding (=.... i kid. i kid |
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| 21:55.35 | gravity | heh, ok |
| 21:55.44 | deadcat | gravity: common baby.. you know me (= |
| 21:55.48 | gravity | :-) |
| 21:55.50 | cadu | gravity: is dbus some kind of IPC thing ? |
| 21:55.51 | Whisky_ | PeterB, Retreiving times out on my Dialup...would be kind of you if you could give it to me manually. |
| 21:55.53 | ArtistAgent | microsoft has its place um but i dont go there anymore:) |
| 21:56.06 | ArtistAgent | j/k DeadZed |
| 21:56.09 | gravity | cadu: Yes |
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| 21:56.36 | deadcat | ps -efww shows 2 procs i dont want to see. dbus and gconfd-2 (= |
| 21:56.36 | cadu | gravity: but it has to keep some process running ? |
| 21:56.43 | gravity | cadu: Yes |
| 21:56.47 | cadu | on debian it goes onstartup : "starting dbus" |
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| 21:57.00 | cadu | gravity: shitty huh? having to use a process to organize processes :( |
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| 21:57.08 | gravity | cadu: Why is that shitty? |
| 21:57.16 | cadu | ...even when dbused apps aren't running |
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| 21:57.18 | deadcat | cadu: maybe i shut rename the sym link (= |
| 21:57.35 | cadu | gravity: more bloat to people with slow machines that need to get some work done |
| 21:57.55 | deadcat | right? i dont see how dbus-1 will do me any good. |
| 21:57.55 | cadu | i love rox, but i have to use dbus and other things on this (k6-2-450) shit :) |
| 21:58.00 | valdyn | cadu: no feature can exist without an implementation. |
| 21:58.01 | cadu | s/shit/machine/ |
| 21:58.04 | gravity | cadu: It's "bloat" that allows new features to potentially get more work done. dbus doesn't get in your way at all dude |
| 21:58.15 | cadu | valdyn: yeah but strange a ipc thing that needs a process running _all_ the time |
| 21:58.20 | gravity | cadu: Plus, have you even looked at the size of the thing? It's tiny |
| 21:58.36 | cadu | yeah |
| 21:58.42 | cadu | he's the first complainer :) |
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| 21:59.06 | DeadZed | wheres that in CTCP |
| 21:59.11 | valdyn | cadu: its not 'running' when its not used, that's how processes work. |
| 21:59.22 | deadcat | DeadZed: prorpietary protocols |
| 21:59.24 | deadcat | (= |
| 21:59.29 | DeadZed | lol |
| 21:59.43 | DeadZed | Im not on that level yet |
| 21:59.47 | deadcat | hahahaha |
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| 22:02.23 | cadu | valdyn: you're so sympathetic :) |
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| 22:03.00 | balony | What filesystem should I use when I want 2 servers working on the same diskarray? |
| 22:03.03 | yacoob | are there any steps that have to be taken when going from xfree to xorg? |
| 22:03.21 | balony | would it work with ext3 without any additional software, will xfs work out if the box on it? |
| 22:03.23 | deadcat | balony: nfs? |
| 22:03.38 | deadcat | yacoob: no. just dist-upgrade the mofo |
| 22:03.50 | yacoob | mofo? |
| 22:04.01 | deadcat | yacoob: mofo=motherfucker |
| 22:04.05 | yacoob | ah :> |
| 22:04.09 | yacoob | ok, will see then. |
| 22:04.10 | streuner | haha |
| 22:04.15 | balony | deadcat: that's the only way? I have scsi cable directly to the servers from the array. |
| 22:04.28 | deadcat | balony: thats the only i know (= |
| 22:04.29 | yacoob | a package with fglrx for xorg would also be needed... :> |
| 22:04.55 | deadcat | yacoob: i use the free radeon driver on the ppc machine. glxgears is ~700fps but thats cool. |
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| 22:05.26 | yacoob | deadcat: I've already compared them, and unfortunatelly I need fglrx :> |
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| 22:05.51 | deadcat | yacoob: well. if you want really hardcore fps then yes... |
| 22:06.29 | yacoob | deadcat: ok, to be more precise: some gl xscreensavers are mangled. And UT2004, only game I still love to play sometimes is garbled beyond recognition. |
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| 22:06.53 | deadcat | yacoob: also when removing the xserver-xfree86 or xfree-common package. it will fail. you need to use update-rc.d -f, add the -f in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfre<something> i dont remember the name since i removed it |
| 22:06.56 | linuxCart | Hi everybody |
| 22:07.34 | deadcat | yacoob: no clue about games and xscreensavers, i dont use either. (=... i have xlockmore on my ibook for screensaver. not fancy but its ok |
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| 22:08.49 | yacoob | oh, btw: what *dm should I use when I do NOT use KDE/GNOME? |
| 22:08.57 | black13 | crapple |
| 22:09.01 | deadcat | yacoob: xdm |
| 22:09.14 | deadcat | yacoob: or dont use any (= |
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| 22:09.36 | black13 | why do i have to have .Xauthority file |
| 22:09.56 | deadcat | black13: so you can run X apps. |
| 22:10.08 | deadcat | black13: man xauth |
| 22:10.55 | yacoob | deadcat: for a long time I wasn't using XFree at all, now I see me entering startx quite often |
| 22:11.16 | DeadZed | what should I give sister for unzipping? |
| 22:11.19 | nemik | how would i mount a cdrom? sorry stupid question i know |
| 22:11.21 | black13 | the problem i am having is that xauthority file is on a rom |
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| 22:11.39 | yacoob | so I've thought about getting graphical login screen :> |
| 22:11.40 | deadcat | yacoob: well. X is good for watching movie and browsing the internet. |
| 22:11.58 | balony | deadcat: so xfs and ext3 doesnt handle "doublemount" ? |
| 22:11.58 | deadcat | yacoob: xdm is very light but dont look good. |
| 22:12.04 | DeadZed | X is for "Youve been X-ed" |
| 22:12.17 | deadcat | balony: that i dont know. sorry dude. |
| 22:12.29 | DeadZed | balony go for triplemount |
| 22:12.35 | DeadZed | and then salto |
| 22:12.38 | yacoob | deadcat: well, I had both of them with console :) It's just virtual desktops that I'm missing... |
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| 22:12.44 | valdyn | balony: no |
| 22:12.53 | deadcat | yacoob: screen (= |
| 22:12.58 | gravity | There was some dude on my blog with a great xdm config to make it look very nice. I asked him to submit it so it could be the default debian appearance, but he didn't reply |
| 22:12.58 | yacoob | in XFree i'm using mostly xterms, so :) |
| 22:13.04 | balony | valdyn: so my only option is to setup the diskarray with nfs? |
| 22:13.08 | gravity | I would love to have someone with a nice looking xdm submit something like that |
| 22:13.13 | deadcat | yacoob: you can do that with screen. very nice. |
| 22:13.21 | balony | valdyn: what if the diskarray runs on xp? :) |
| 22:13.21 | yacoob | deadcat: no, screen is not an answer - it's hard to see a quick overview of desktops |
| 22:13.27 | yacoob | (yes, i know about c-a *) |
| 22:13.37 | deadcat | yacoob: gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/ |
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| 22:13.46 | nemik | what is the cdrom type in fstab? |
| 22:13.50 | valdyn | balony: i dont know of *any* hardware that would support would you are claiming to be trying. |
| 22:13.52 | TyreseJones | how do i enable XDMCP on my system?? |
| 22:13.59 | deadcat | nemik: iso9600 or something? |
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| 22:14.10 | deadcat | iso9660 (= |
| 22:14.11 | nemik | ok i'll try that, thanks |
| 22:14.14 | yacoob | nemik: iso9660 :> |
| 22:14.19 | nemik | thank you |
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| 22:14.32 | balony | valdyn: im loadinbalancing 2 servers and making them work against a diskarray that is supposed to have /home |
| 22:14.43 | jim | TyreseJones: are you running xdm? |
| 22:14.53 | balony | valdyn: I want them to share /home and they each have their own systemdisks.. |
| 22:15.28 | Whisky_ | apt-setup times out the retreival on my dialup. Will anyone be kind enough to donate some mirror links from their sources.list? |
| 22:15.48 | deadcat | balony: maybe you want nfs+(ldap|nis)? |
| 22:16.03 | black13 | deadcat does the .Xautherity file have to be readable |
| 22:16.03 | Nach | Are there any known issues with recent X core packages so it no longer works with nvidia's drivers? |
| 22:16.15 | deadcat | black13: by you |
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| 22:16.30 | valdyn | balony: so you create a 'physical' filesystem ( like xfs , ext3 or whatever ) and export that via nfs. You can have 2 computers mount a physical device, nor is there any hardware supporting that. |
| 22:16.32 | Frozen-Solid | can mplayer show nsv files? |
| 22:16.34 | deadcat | Nach: no. just dist-upgrade, it works here. |
| 22:16.44 | deadcat | Frozen-Solid: depends what nsv files are |
| 22:16.50 | valdyn | s/You can/You cannot/ |
| 22:16.50 | Nach | deadcat, I'm running the latest, X crashes on me |
| 22:16.57 | Nach | unless I stop using nvidia driver |
| 22:17.01 | Frozen-Solid | nsv = nullsoft video... as in a winamp tv stream |
| 22:17.09 | black13 | deadcat crap |
| 22:17.09 | deadcat | Nach: X crashes on me for months (= xfree and xorg |
| 22:17.20 | Nach | deadcat, doesn't start at all |
| 22:17.23 | deadcat | Nach: ya. but i need nvidia for dual monitor. )= |
| 22:17.34 | deadcat | Nach: oh. mine starts but hangs for no fucking reason |
| 22:17.37 | Nach | I had it working fine the other day |
| 22:17.46 | black13 | deadcat how does damn small linux get around it |
| 22:17.55 | deadcat | black13: sux |
| 22:17.57 | Nach | I reboot today, and it refused to start till I picked a different driver |
| 22:18.03 | Nach | everything I tried was unsuccesful |
| 22:18.08 | deet | hmm, judging by this... why is it not as easy as, booting from the rescue floppy, then putting in my own kernel disk made with make bzdisk? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en#id2537278 |
| 22:18.29 | tvn | Nach: I also attempted the nvidia driver but it also hang .... so I back to using the nv one now |
| 22:18.33 | black13 | deadcat which sux my situation or damn small linux |
| 22:18.48 | deadcat | black13: you can just make root copy your .Xauthority file and merge it |
| 22:19.09 | deadcat | black13: sux is a software |
| 22:19.24 | black13 | deadcat huh |
| 22:19.27 | deadcat | !sux |
| 22:19.27 | dpkg | i guess sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 22:19.28 | jim | Nach: hmm, the choice of which driver to use for a device seems to be important :) |
| 22:19.53 | Nach | jim, yeah, although nv driver is trash |
| 22:20.13 | deadcat | if nv can do dual monitor, fuck nvidia |
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| 22:20.18 | Nach | lost speed, and OGL :/ |
| 22:20.44 | TyreseJones | jim, no, do i need to be running xdm? It's a server machine but it will be a terminal server, i'm tryin' to get LTSP working on it |
| 22:20.53 | deadcat | maybe i just need to reinstall debian from scratch to fix the problem. |
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| 22:21.43 | deadcat | can someone confirm that the woody isntall still works and i can still dist-upgrade to sid from woody? |
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| 22:21.52 | jim | TyreseJones: what is it about xdmcp do you need? |
| 22:22.09 | jim | or better, what are you trying to accomplish overall? |
| 22:22.24 | TyreseJones | jim to be honest, i have no idea! |
| 22:22.39 | deadcat | TyreseJones: then you should ask "what the hell am i doing?" |
| 22:22.44 | jim | deadcat: you probably cannot get to sid directly from woody |
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| 22:22.59 | deadcat | jim: i might have to go woody->sarge->sid eh? |
| 22:23.02 | black13 | deadcat ok then i will probably need to learn more x11 |
| 22:23.05 | DeadZed | hmmm.. howcome #wankers Requires keyword |
| 22:23.06 | jim | might, yes |
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| 22:23.15 | TyreseJones | it seems to be a requirement for LTSP to run, i already have kdm installed, and i'm assuming XDMCP is to be used to forward displays to my workstation clients |
| 22:23.26 | deadcat | black13: ya. and forget learning how to compile for now. learn the system and X first (= |
| 22:23.57 | jim | you don't need x to learn |
| 22:23.58 | deadcat | DeadZed: the keyword can be typed with the lefthand |
| 22:24.06 | deadcat | jim: to learn X you do (= |
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| 22:24.21 | black13 | deadcat xinit starts x11 fine |
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| 22:24.36 | deadcat | black13: then stick with xinit |
| 22:24.53 | jim | x is a sidepoint... everyone wants it, but it's not even 10% of the power of unix/linux |
| 22:25.04 | OleMoudi | how do I downgrade a package with apt ? |
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| 22:25.08 | deadcat | damn. i dont like the sarge install. )= i've only done it to other people's machines hehe |
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| 22:25.15 | jim | downgrading is not supported |
| 22:25.22 | kl3 | anyone knows how to shoutdown a machine by terminal? |
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| 22:25.28 | deadcat | OleMoudi: you use dpkg -i olderpkg.deb |
| 22:25.31 | TecnoVM64 | shutdown |
| 22:25.33 | TecnoVM64 | lol |
| 22:25.33 | jim | you can try and it might work |
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| 22:26.06 | kl3 | TecnoVM64 shutdown only? |
| 22:26.17 | jim | but if there would have been anything special to do in order to accomplish the downgrade, it wouldn't have been arranged for |
| 22:26.26 | TecnoVM64 | kl3: do shutdown and it'll tell you all the options |
| 22:26.30 | mdew | hmmm removing kdegames removes kde, thats annoying |
| 22:26.37 | kl3 | ok |
| 22:26.45 | tvn | kde might be a meta package |
| 22:26.52 | Ungy_ | I have a server with 2 10 gigs hard drives and I jus tpurchased a 120 gig hard drive I want to use this server for home as a fileserver and domain controller as well as for webtesting and databse testing shoudl I reinstall and repartition it. if so how shoudl I partition it? |
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| 22:27.40 | cadu | Ungy_: well if those 2 10gig hds are good you could use them as your system and leave the 120gb as a huge home for everyone |
| 22:28.01 | Ungy_ | cadu how big shoul dvar be ? |
| 22:28.35 | Ungy_ | I mean shoudl I use the 2 10's for system and split the 120 to 100 gigs for home and 20 for var? |
| 22:28.45 | jim | Ungy_: as large as you need it to be... and by the way, you don't have to reinstall |
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| 22:29.33 | Ungy_ | jim I am not aware as to how to change mount points without losing data |
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| 22:30.06 | Ungy_ | Besides I don't care if I do reinstall not anythign there no tin my home dir that I care about |
| 22:30.07 | jim | you'd be well advised to back up your entire system in that case |
| 22:30.28 | yacoob | eh? |
| 22:30.30 | yacoob | what the...? |
| 22:30.38 | yacoob | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
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| 22:30.56 | yacoob | ...and that warning is displayed because of...? |
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| 22:31.20 | jim | grep the source code of what you're using and find out |
| 22:31.37 | mfrisch | how do you setup crypttab? |
| 22:31.38 | kingsley | Ungy: How about umount and mount? |
| 22:31.42 | yacoob | jim: well, it was during upgrade by aptitude :) |
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| 22:32.15 | jim | so evidently aptitude is printing the message... now grep the source for it and see what calls it |
| 22:33.18 | yacoob | jim: let's just say I was hoping that it is some Knwon Warning [tm], to say at least. Nevertheless, I'm quite able to spot it down, thank you :) |
| 22:33.21 | jim | Ungy_: so what data do you have that you do care about? and where is it? |
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| 22:34.27 | Ungy_ | jim in m home dirs and it is backedup on the machine I am typing to you right now |
| 22:35.00 | jim | Ungy_: ok, so you're safe then... right? |
| 22:35.07 | Ungy_ | yeah no problem |
| 22:35.12 | jim | you could blow it all away and restore it? |
| 22:35.28 | jim | ok |
| 22:35.28 | cadu | Ungy_: why 20 gig /var ? |
| 22:35.59 | momosan | my printer's disappeared from cups, when i try to add it back during the device selection there's no devices listed anyone know wtf is going on? |
| 22:36.02 | jim | Ungy_: btw, you might look into openacs as one possible web/db toolkit |
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| 22:36.12 | yacoob | eh, it works 8) |
| 22:36.19 | Ungy_ | openacs? |
| 22:36.21 | yacoob | I was hoping for any problems... :> |
| 22:36.31 | Ungy_ | I will check it out |
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| 22:36.53 | Ungy_ | cadu I dunno thought a larger var woudl come in handy when setting up environements to test |
| 22:36.53 | jim | if you want to see an example of it in action, go to greenpeace.org or berkleemusic.com |
| 22:37.08 | cadu | Ungy_: well , so it's good |
| 22:37.19 | DeadZed | what the fuck is wtf |
| 22:37.37 | ArtistAgent | hmm |
| 22:37.43 | benwc | can point me in the right direction to compile a kernel w/ ip_alias? I've never compiled a kernel before |
| 22:37.53 | ArtistAgent | i dont know ill have to have my sec get back witcha on that one :) |
| 22:38.10 | DeadZed | Ive complained a kernel several times |
| 22:38.26 | benwc | heh |
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| 22:38.41 | mfrisch | how do you setup crypttab? |
| 22:38.45 | benwc | I've been searching for hours for a tut on how to do this |
| 22:38.58 | jim | you might consider having a smallish install on say a 1g partition, making the rest be lvm phyical vols and then allocate partition space dynamically |
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| 22:39.34 | jim | benwc: I'm pretty sure the standard kernel has the ip alias module |
| 22:40.42 | Ungy_ | hmm shoudl usr/local/ or /var/be bigger? |
| 22:41.04 | cadu | Ungy_: /var |
| 22:41.26 | Ungy_ | so 5 gigs for /usr/local is enough? |
| 22:41.27 | jim | benwc, look in /boot for the config file and look thru it |
| 22:41.33 | cadu | Ungy_: usr/local could be used for compiling new programs and installing them there, but if you're talking about creating whole enviroments, /var should do it |
| 22:41.41 | cadu | Ungy_: 5gig will do with ease |
| 22:41.49 | Ungy_ | cool thanks |
| 22:41.54 | jim | benwc, keep it on the channel pls |
| 22:42.11 | benwc | ok np :) |
| 22:42.33 | jim | are you using modprobe? |
| 22:42.38 | Ungy_ | I guess I got all the info I need I just use a 30 Meg boot file and split the rest of the 15 gigs between /root /usr and /etc |
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| 22:43.25 | Ungy_ | or and swapfile |
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| 22:43.41 | jim | Ungy_: you could start with that |
| 22:43.47 | benwc | jim yeah I tried that too |
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| 22:44.18 | benwc | jim modprobe ip_alias is FATAL |
| 22:44.39 | OleMoudi | is anyone running testing having problems with evolution crashing on startup? I read it's a known bug with testing version of libgnomecanvas. Has anyone fixed the problem without mixing package versions? |
| 22:44.55 | jim | could you show output of uname -r |
| 22:44.57 | benwc | my /boot config does not show any ip alias stuff |
| 22:45.02 | jim | also, what dist are you running? |
| 22:45.02 | benwc | sure |
| 22:45.02 | concept10 | are content management systems like drupal & moinmoin secure? |
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| 22:45.10 | ma3x | sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 22:45.11 | GCS | Is ftp-master working? I can not upload anything because of connection timeout. |
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| 22:45.12 | ma3x | eth0: unknown hardware address type 24 |
| 22:45.14 | ma3x | sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 22:45.17 | benwc | ubuntu :( |
| 22:45.24 | Ungy_ | can I split mount points between harddrives |
| 22:45.28 | ma3x | what happened, eth0 doesn't work anymore |
| 22:45.40 | jim | hmm, I don't know much about ubuntu |
| 22:45.47 | ma3x | guys |
| 22:45.51 | jim | I don't know how different or similar it might be |
| 22:45.57 | ma3x | anybody can help please? |
| 22:46.01 | Ungy_ | benwc #ubuntu knows abotu unbuntu |
| 22:46.10 | ma3x | please someone |
| 22:46.15 | vipe | I have 2 physical volume encrypted with cryptoloop (both blowfish), the first pv is currently empty. I want to extend a volume group located on the second pv by adding the first pv to the vg. would it be possible to do that (since both pv's are encrypted)? |
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| 22:46.22 | benwc | it's the same as debian. two weeks before sarge was complete my deb testing box got hacked and I installed ubuntu |
| 22:46.24 | benwc | 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 22:46.48 | Ungy_ | ma3x please learn irc etiquite ask then wait if someone doesn't respond in like 3 minutes then ask again |
| 22:46.54 | jim | benwc: is the config file in /boot? |
| 22:47.06 | cadu | benwc: got 'hacked' , what happened? |
| 22:47.07 | jim | or 3 hours :) |
| 22:47.07 | ma3x | Ungy_ ok, but can you help please? |
| 22:47.11 | benwc | yes it is |
| 22:47.21 | cadu | benwc: forgot to secure something? and what are your impressions on ubuntu ? |
| 22:47.37 | benwc | Berlin something |
| 22:47.50 | Ungy_ | !doesn't work |
| 22:47.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 22:48.32 | Ungy_ | ma3x do you see anythign strange in /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 22:48.39 | renegad3 | hi guys... |
| 22:48.42 | TheAsp | he |
| 22:48.44 | TheAsp | h |
| 22:49.07 | benwc | cadu ubuntu is pretty much a mirror of sarge only it has better nvidia support ;) |
| 22:49.27 | gravity | meh... there's an X.Org backport for sarge |
| 22:49.28 | cddesjar | ubunut! |
| 22:49.32 | cddesjar | ubuntu! |
| 22:49.37 | Ungy_ | benwc not hardly it has a lot of differences mainly in libraries |
| 22:49.38 | benwc | cadu I had a really bad firewall script running |
| 22:49.38 | cddesjar | !ubuntu |
| 22:49.39 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 22:49.42 | DeadZed | ubu nut :D |
| 22:49.44 | DeadZed | lol |
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| 22:50.31 | Ungy_ | Can I have two moint points to root on seperate harddrives? |
| 22:50.35 | Anders | ubu nut |
| 22:50.47 | Ungy_ | or swap even? |
| 22:50.53 | jim | Ungy_: not mounted on the same place |
| 22:50.54 | cddesjar | not should be the name of a distro...ubu nut |
| 22:51.03 | cddesjar | oops...that/not |
| 22:51.07 | ma3x | Ungy_ everything's fine there, it says auto lo; iface lo inet loopback; auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:51.08 | jim | you can have more than one swap partition/file |
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| 22:51.17 | benwc | I used debian for a couple of years and truly do not see many differances in the two distros. As far as I'm concerned they are equal distros |
| 22:51.19 | Ungy_ | jim ahh ok I figured it out I can use swap space on both drives for the excess |
| 22:51.26 | Ungy_ | thanks |
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| 22:51.47 | cddesjar | er, if you have a question about a problem in ubuntu why aren't you in the ubuntu channel? |
| 22:51.49 | Touns | hi all |
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| 22:52.00 | jim | look into lvm... you have so much space that you should consider deciding how to use it as you go |
| 22:52.24 | concept10 | What directory do you guys add your websites to? /var/www/ ... ? |
| 22:52.28 | benwc | cddesjar they are practicaly identical |
| 22:52.35 | cddesjar | i've used ubuntu |
| 22:52.40 | gravity | benwc: Doesn't matter. It's not debian. |
| 22:52.41 | DeadZed | Blissex = sex in bliss .. or .. bliss from sex ?? |
| 22:52.47 | cddesjar | i don't think they are practically identical |
| 22:52.52 | Ungy_ | benwc in all seriousness Ubuntu has differences that we do not know so go into #ubuntu they can help you |
| 22:52.55 | benwc | same structure same configs. |
| 22:53.00 | cddesjar | they know more about ubuntu than we do |
| 22:53.08 | gravity | benwc: It's not the same software. It has different bugs. Different fixes. |
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| 22:53.13 | cddesjar | #ubuntu for all your ubuntu needs |
| 22:53.14 | Touns | please i'm trying to get the list of a newsgroup with brag but i don't know how doing, i read th full manual, i see how to download binaries, but not to doanload the headers, someone have an idee please? |
| 22:53.19 | DeadZed | Ubuntu is supposed to be fixed debian |
| 22:53.27 | Blissex | DeadZed: just a nerdy reference: Blissex Walex is the engineer who designed the X wing in StarWars :-) |
| 22:53.29 | gravity | benwc: If you want to ask in a Debian channel, use Debian. Not almost-debian |
| 22:53.31 | Ungy_ | concept10 I use /var/www or I do symlinks to /usr/local files to /var/www |
| 22:53.33 | cddesjar | sid...is fixed debian |
| 22:53.40 | renegad3 | a couple of days ago my server was running non stop for 80 days, then it just rebooted on its own?? is that normal? I hadnt physically touched it and no one else was logged in to it. I checked the logs and couldnt find nothing that could suggest it was rebooted by someone... the weird thing was it rebooted once more an hour or so after. any suggestions? |
| 22:53.44 | gravity | DeadZed: "fixed debian"? |
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| 22:54.14 | concept10 | Ungy, I know what a symlink is but explain how you do that, please. |
| 22:54.17 | jim | so I guess that must mean we're running broken ubuntu :P |
| 22:54.28 | gravity | heh, apparently so |
| 22:54.33 | cddesjar | i think debian sarge is the most stable and secure distro. out there! |
| 22:54.50 | cadu | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:54.52 | Ungy_ | renegade hardware failure or possible power spikes maybe your power supply is goign bad |
| 22:54.52 | cadu | 3 hoorays! |
| 22:54.54 | Blissex | DeadZed: actually Ubuntu has been diverging quite a bit from Debian, and they have a pretty good help channel too. |
| 22:54.57 | cadu | hoorays hoorays hoorays ! |
| 22:55.05 | renegad3 | Ungy, cheers |
| 22:55.07 | DeadZed | yea .. fixed .. like .. cut debian |
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| 22:55.20 | gravity | DeadZed: Uh. No. |
| 22:55.21 | cddesjar | cut |
| 22:55.28 | Ungy_ | concept10 explain how to do a symlink? |
| 22:55.34 | Blissex | jim: some people are windering how Ubuntu compatible should Debian be :-) |
| 22:55.36 | Quad | i installed debian sarge from the cd. now i'll install any sofware per apt-get and the installation routine required the installation cd, but i'll download the packages from the internet. what must i set in my system configuration. |
| 22:55.38 | concept10 | Ubuntu will not cut thier dependency on debian |
| 22:56.05 | Blissex | Quad: you must look at the documentation for '/etc/apt/sources.list' and that of 'apt-cdrom' for example |
| 22:56.14 | cadu | DeadZed: why ? |
| 22:56.20 | Ungy_ | Quad got to /etc/apt/sources.list comment out cd |
| 22:56.21 | cadu | what i did to you ? leave me aloone |
| 22:56.36 | concept10 | Ungy, nevermind. Thanks. |
| 22:56.40 | renegad3 | Ungy, hrmm, there was power outages in my area that day, but my side of town didnt... hrmm... thanx mate hopefully its that. |
| 22:56.40 | DeadZed | :( |
| 22:56.55 | DeadZed | y |
| 22:57.31 | Ungy_ | renegad3 you never know I have had power surges take out half my computers and they just rebooted themselves I don't have any ups'es I am using |
| 22:57.34 | drosdow | un programa p2p que no sea amule ni xmule? |
| 22:57.39 | resiak | !es |
| 22:57.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:57.48 | benwc | thx guys/gals |
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| 22:57.53 | Frozen-Solid | Requested video codec family [vp6] (vfm=vfwex) not available. <- can anyone tell me wher ei can get this codec? :( |
| 22:57.56 | benwc | It's the same thing |
| 22:58.07 | benwc | deb and ub are twins |
| 22:58.10 | Quad | ahhh, i oversight the cd-block in source.list. thanks for your help! :) |
| 22:58.11 | benwc | FYI |
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| 22:58.16 | resiak | !ubuntusmite benwc |
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| 22:58.23 | drosdow | err sorry, anyone knows a p2p besides amule and xmule? |
| 22:58.36 | reuqium | bit-torrent |
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| 22:58.48 | Ungy_ | benwc it is not the same thing Knoppix != Debian || Ubuntu != debian |
| 22:58.53 | DeadZed | drosdow bitch-mule |
| 22:58.55 | gravity | He's gone |
| 22:58.58 | reuqium | How do create keybindings in fluxbox |
| 22:59.01 | tarzeau | streuner: ping |
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| 22:59.02 | ice_1963 | limewier |
| 22:59.02 | gravity | He can think what he likes. He's wrong. |
| 22:59.25 | Ungy_ | benwc Mandrake I believe was originally based on Redhat but they are not the same niether is fedora the same as redhat |
| 22:59.39 | Ungy_ | whoops |
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| 23:00.16 | ArtistAgent | Quad, you should be able to run the progs natively if you have the required libraries to do so and the prog is compatible with Sarge |
| 23:00.17 | ice_1963 | redhat)- |
| 23:00.17 | jim | redhat is no longer distributing linux as they were |
| 23:00.40 | jim | so you're comparing to an empty set :) |
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| 23:01.32 | Ungy_ | jim seriously so that redhat enterprise edition I had to install a few weeks ago is no more? |
| 23:02.06 | pinko | reuqium: don't use the gui. it screws things up (unless it's been updated recently) |
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| 23:02.20 | ArtistAgent | um yeah its just kind of commercialized ungy :) |
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| 23:05.09 | concept10 | How do I reset or get my forgotten phpMySql password? |
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| 23:05.55 | Whisky_ | how do i access my memory card through my USB Card Reader ? |
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| 23:06.23 | resiak | !tell Whisky_ -about usb-storage |
| 23:07.12 | Whisky_ | ermm, something it fails to tell is, "How to load those modules?" :S |
| 23:07.53 | resiak | man modprobe |
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| 23:08.58 | reuqium | pinko: But I want something like alt-f2 in xfce to popup a "run console command" dialog or a key combo to lock the screen |
| 23:09.03 | dockane | where does xterm get its color representation for file types from? its not ~/.Xdefaults because i justed touched it |
| 23:09.15 | dockane | justed=just |
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| 23:11.34 | Blissex | dockane: it is not in 'xterm'. Check 'man dircolors' |
| 23:12.31 | Whisky_ | !tell Whisky_ -about ntfs |
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| 23:13.29 | wishie | my mirror seems to be missing alot of xorg packages..is this happening on other mirrors ? |
| 23:15.32 | wishie | seems like im missing most of the -4 packages |
| 23:16.13 | tarzeau | streuner: wake up. NOTFALL |
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| 23:20.06 | splattnik | im looking for a package thats nearly the same as iftop. but i cant remember the name? |
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| 23:20.37 | wishie | hmm, it seems http.us.debian.org is missing some debs |
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| 23:20.45 | lildude | is there 16 bit wirles nick |
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| 23:20.51 | lildude | pcmia |
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| 23:21.39 | wishie | splattnik: ntop? |
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| 23:22.25 | TNKS | hi all. I've just noticed that my system has the `discover` package installed. However, when I uninstalled it, the kernel seemed to know which modules it needed to install at boot-time. |
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| 23:22.39 | coh | hi, im trying to execute wacomcpl, and i get this error: couldn't connect to display ":0.0" .. i think it's cuz it's tying to draw to my terminal window.. |
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| 23:22.51 | TNKS | How many mechanisms for hardware detection are there? |
| 23:22.58 | coh | how do i run my program to draw to the screen? |
| 23:23.00 | ma3x | this amaroK is annoying me! |
| 23:23.08 | ma3x | it's great for playing local files |
| 23:23.09 | splattnik | wishie: no not that package.. it was named something else.. |
| 23:23.13 | wishie | TNKS: did you remove libdiscover etc aswell ? |
| 23:23.13 | ma3x | but it won't play my CDs |
| 23:23.16 | ma3x | xmms does |
| 23:23.18 | ma3x | amarok does not! |
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| 23:23.24 | Dragon-Eater | yo guys, im getting the following error : 0 011 Connect 2003 Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.253' (10061) when i try to connect to my local debian mysql server, i checked that its running and working but i keep getting this error ... |
| 23:23.24 | ma3x | what's the big deal, i dont understand |
| 23:23.54 | wishie | well, playing cds is cutting edge.. |
| 23:24.03 | Dragon-Eater | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.03 | dawg | tnks, it was probably hotplug that did it |
| 23:24.03 | wishie | you know, so it may not be supported yet :P |
| 23:24.08 | Dragon-Eater | will simply not work |
| 23:24.34 | ma3x | wishie knowck get off |
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| 23:24.55 | sparrow | Dragon-Eater: mysql -p ? |
| 23:25.09 | Dragon-Eater | port |
| 23:25.13 | coh | hey, how do i get my script to draw to the screen and not the termianl ? |
| 23:25.20 | Dragon-Eater | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:25.20 | Dragon-Eater | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:25.35 | wishie | so no-one else has noticed that http.us.debian.org is short a few xorg deb packages... ? |
| 23:25.36 | Dragon-Eater | and C is for compression |
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| 23:26.09 | Quad | is it reasonable to install the apache 2 server under a separate user? |
| 23:26.46 | ids | Hi. with apt-cache search ^kernel-image, how come for 2.4.x the latest is 2.4.27 when in actual fact the latest kernel is 2.4.31. I could compile manually, but I'm wondering why 2.4.27 is the latest of the 2.4.x range? |
| 23:26.56 | ugly | in bash, is there a way to read in the contents of a file into an array where each element is a new line? I was playing with 'read -d'\n' -a array < file', but didn't have success |
| 23:27.01 | exobyte | What will happen if I cat an 8 meg file through sort? |
| 23:27.18 | wishie | ids: because debian hasnt packaged 2.4.31 with the debian specific patches yet |
| 23:27.31 | ugly | exobyte: !? why would you do that?? |
| 23:27.32 | TNKS | dawg. So does discover augment hotplug? |
| 23:27.37 | lildude | 16 bit pcmia network wireless |
| 23:27.42 | wishie | exobyte: i dont know, but id like to know. go find out! :) |
| 23:27.47 | lildude | who got the beast |
| 23:28.13 | ids | wishie: Thanks for letting me know :). Also, are there any advantages of doing a kernel upgrade using apt-get rather than a manual compile? |
| 23:28.35 | coh | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server ... i get this error trying to run wacomcpl .. how do i fix this? |
| 23:28.43 | wishie | ids: im not the person to ask, i do them manually, and create debs of them with make-kpkg |
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| 23:28.55 | ArtistAgent | say whats the terminal command for smsclient anyone know right off hand? |
| 23:28.55 | exobyte | ugly: I'm comparing my system before and after a change. I need to sort the results of find / to be sure something like diff will be happy |
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| 23:28.59 | wishie | coh: dont try to run it as root, in a users X session ? |
| 23:29.07 | ids | wishie: ok cool ) |
| 23:29.10 | ids | :) |
| 23:29.26 | coh | wishie: if i run it as my normal user, i get a TK error |
| 23:29.31 | TNKS | I remember one of the kernel option talking about module autoloading. It seems like the kernel, discover, and hotplug seem to all deal with this. Can anybody point me some where to figure this out? |
| 23:29.53 | wishie | coh: and if you run it as root, you get the Xlib error, and you will always get that. fix the TK error. |
| 23:30.05 | coh | ok.. Error in startup script: wrong # args: should be "string compare string1 string2" |
| 23:30.05 | coh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.16 | coh | wishie: i think that's the error i get :/ |
| 23:30.18 | TNKS | I'm not exactly trying to solve a problem. I'm just trying to learn more about the system's organization. |
| 23:30.38 | coh | wishie: i think it's because it's an old version of tcl/tk that it's using?? |
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| 23:30.42 | wishie | TNKS: i do 'apt-get remove --purge discover* hotplug' when i install debian. i then look in /etc/modules and remove the stuff i dont want to load there. |
| 23:30.53 | aramanth | and i now have a pure stable system back again |
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| 23:31.26 | wishie | TNKS: all my module loading is manual now. |
| 23:32.26 | wishie | so, does anyone know when the missing debs are going to be uploaded to http.us.debian.org ? cause the Packages file says they are there, and i get errors when using apt to try and upgrade |
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| 23:34.12 | coh | wishie, can you help me fix this tcl problem as a non-root user? |
| 23:34.23 | coh | i just updated to 2.6.12 .. |
| 23:34.33 | coh | and had to install a whole bunch of tcl stuff to get the wacom thing compiled |
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| 23:34.55 | mdew | what file would you edit to make all users access alsa correctly, on boot? |
| 23:35.00 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 23:38.02 | wishie | coh: i can try. |
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| 23:38.22 | coh | wishie, ok.. i think it's using an old version of tcl? |
| 23:38.42 | lildude | is 16 bit pcmia old? |
| 23:38.51 | wishie | what version do you have installed ? |
| 23:39.12 | coh | i just installed the latest version from dselect |
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| 23:41.41 | wishie | hmm, so thats the only error you get coh ? the compare one ? |
| 23:42.03 | coh | wishie, yeah, when i researcheda bout it on google, they say it's because it's from an early version of 8 tcl |
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| 23:42.46 | wishie | hmm |
| 23:42.58 | wishie | well, you should be able to install tcl8 |
| 23:43.05 | coh | yes, i did |
| 23:43.12 | coh | and the tk stuff.. |
| 23:43.17 | coh | it's just not working.. |
| 23:43.23 | wishie | 8.0, 8.3, 8.4 ? |
| 23:43.26 | coh | 8.4 |
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| 23:44.28 | tosh| | whats the name of the tool to add/del commands to the proper /etc/rc.X runlevel startup dirs? |
| 23:44.37 | wishie | update-rc.d i think |
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| 23:45.10 | coh | ok, i'll tryath |
| 23:45.13 | yacoob | hm |
| 23:45.16 | wishie | umm coh |
| 23:45.21 | yacoob | is incoming.d.o down? |
| 23:45.30 | tarzeau | yeah |
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| 23:45.33 | wishie | yeah, all i an suggest is try installing 8.0 really |
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| 23:45.44 | coh | ok |
| 23:45.46 | coh | i'll figure it out |
| 23:45.48 | coh | thanks for helping |
| 23:45.56 | coh | i have a lot of problems |
| 23:45.58 | coh | since i installed |
| 23:46.00 | coh | 2.6.12 |
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| 23:46.03 | wishie | hmm |
| 23:46.08 | Quad | is it recommendable that the apache server run as a separate user? |
| 23:46.14 | wishie | i had problems with it being slow on my arcade machine |
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| 23:46.26 | wishie | MAME got really jerky using 2.6.12.x |
| 23:46.29 | coh | for instance, some perl scripts dont work |
| 23:46.38 | coh | and this weird tcl problem |
| 23:46.47 | tosh| | mmm |
| 23:46.52 | tosh| | chkconfig > update-rc.d |
| 23:47.14 | ongeboren | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 23:47.28 | ongeboren | how is this possible? the latest kernel in debian is 2.6.11 |
| 23:47.36 | yoo | it's a bug |
| 23:47.42 | wishie | ongeboren: because the idiot didnt think about that, and uploaded it. |
| 23:47.46 | coh | no, the 2.6.12 is releases |
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| 23:47.56 | tosh| | whats the debian tool to look for filenames in debian packages? |
| 23:48.03 | gravity | tosh|: dpkg |
| 23:48.05 | wishie | dpkg |
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| 23:48.19 | tosh| | don't think it was that one |
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| 23:48.24 | tosh| | it was more apt-get style |
| 23:48.26 | tosh| | but for files |
| 23:48.42 | ongeboren | so, debian unstable is completely broken :) |
| 23:49.01 | wishie | ongeboren: no, im using it right now. but i dont use udev |
| 23:49.02 | tosh| | not completely |
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| 23:49.09 | aramanth | ongeboren, its unstable |
| 23:49.14 | aramanth | :) |
| 23:49.34 | ongeboren | aramanth, i know.. but it was pretty stable for the last 2 years :) |
| 23:49.43 | aramanth | hehe |
| 23:49.49 | wishie | ongeboren: and its stable for me right now too.. ymmv |
| 23:50.14 | ongeboren | wishie, btw, what is this udev and what is it used for ? |
| 23:50.27 | lildude | does any on e have wireless lap top linux? |
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| 23:51.14 | wishie | ongeboren: created nodes in /dev and various other things |
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| 23:51.33 | wishie | assigning names to certain devices (such as usb, so you dont need to plug them in, in the right order etc) |
| 23:51.44 | black13 | hey wishie |
| 23:51.48 | lildude | help |
| 23:51.48 | black13 | glad your here |
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| 23:52.26 | black13 | wishie your in australia right? |
| 23:52.29 | wishie | yes |
| 23:52.54 | black13 | what do you know about xorg xauthority? |
| 23:53.07 | wishie | i know that xorg is working here..heh |
| 23:53.17 | black13 | yuck yuck yuck |
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| 23:53.37 | wishie | brb |
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| 23:54.11 | Fred21 | Hello |
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| 23:54.45 | ongeboren | speaking of xorg, how is one supposed to migrate to xorg ? by installing xserver-xorg or by doing something else ? |
| 23:54.59 | tosh| | anyone know what the pex5 xfree module is for? |
| 23:55.00 | wishie | ongeboren: yes. |
| 23:55.00 | Amy_ | Here's a linux-related question... I just bought a new (larger) hard disk and I want to copy my entire filesystem from my current disk to the new one. It seems that `dd` is not the command I want, since that copies the partition information, etc. Should I just format the new disk and cp everything, or? |
| 23:55.14 | wishie | ongeboren: apt-get install xserver-xorg should do it. although! |
| 23:55.19 | Fred21 | how to change the super admin |
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| 23:55.41 | Fred21 | a tutorial say "permitrootlogin= off |
| 23:55.42 | wishie | as ive been saying numerous times now, http.us.debian.org seems to be MISSING the xorg debs |
| 23:55.45 | telmarie | i'm getting the following error when i try to run apt-get update after not running it for a while "some packages could not be verified" are there updated signatures i need to get? |
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| 23:55.50 | Fred21 | how to create a new superadmin |
| 23:55.56 | lildude | pcmia ? |
| 23:56.02 | ongeboren | we'll see.. or will not see if it goes wrong :) |
| 23:56.09 | lildude | free lap top to give away |
| 23:56.33 | wishie | lildude: what is the deal with you an pcmcia lan cards ? |
| 23:56.44 | lildude | i need wireless one |
| 23:56.46 | hippi | mysql question: how do i select from two tables and order the result by a common field? |
| 23:56.54 | lildude | or il give away my deiban lap top |
| 23:56.55 | wishie | lildude: so go buy one |
| 23:57.05 | lildude | were i find old 16 bit |
| 23:57.09 | aramanth | !tell ongerboren get xorg |
| 23:57.11 | lildude | only find 32 bit |
| 23:57.18 | black13 | Amy_ rysnc |
| 23:57.18 | wishie | isnt all pcmcia 16 bit ? |
| 23:57.23 | black13 | Amy_ rsync |
| 23:57.23 | aramanth | !tell ongeboren get xorg |
| 23:57.29 | lildude | new one 32 |
| 23:57.57 | aramanth | ongeboren, /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 23:57.59 | wishie | well, ebay, garage sales..heh |
| 23:58.07 | ongeboren | aramanth, ok, thanks : |
| 23:58.09 | ongeboren | ) |
| 23:58.11 | telmarie | lildude, check ebay for orinoco (or wavelan) silver/gold they are solid cards |
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| 23:58.26 | wishie | no! get out! |
| 23:58.26 | Amy_ | black13, ok, but I thought that was equivalent to cp in the case when nothing exists on the other disk? |
| 23:58.33 | lildude | ok il do that |
| 23:58.38 | telmarie | lildude, some places still sell them new |
| 23:58.56 | lildude | are the wirless |
| 23:59.02 | exobyte | I have a script. How can I get a list of all the files it uses? |
| 23:59.04 | lildude | i live in remote canada |
| 23:59.10 | Amy_ | black13, and what about weirdness with the mbr? |
| 23:59.15 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:59.22 | lildude | do all work with linux? |
| 23:59.38 | black13 | Amy_ isnt the destinationi disk totally clean |
| 23:59.47 | Amy_ | black13, yes, it is. |
| 23:59.47 | Amy_ | . |
