| 00:00.06 | telmarie | lildude, sure they do, just type orinoco and there are a bunch |
| 00:00.24 | black13 | Amy_ are you just copying data? |
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| 00:00.51 | Amy_ | black13, ideally I'd like to copy, take out the old disk and boot from the new one. |
| 00:01.09 | deadcat | Amy_: cant you just dd the entire thing? |
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| 00:01.27 | Amy_ | deadcat, but I don't want to copy the partition information (right)? |
| 00:02.02 | deadcat | Amy_: try mirrordir, it aint bad. |
| 00:02.29 | telmarie | Amy_, i would partiton the disk copy stuff over with cp and then run the lilo/grub configuration |
| 00:02.49 | lildude | il look around il find one i hope |
| 00:02.52 | fas3r | yop |
| 00:02.56 | Amy_ | telmarie, hmm... that seems like a decent idea :) |
| 00:03.16 | telmarie | Amy_, its not the most elegant way but it works |
| 00:03.22 | aramanth | anyone installed ruby on rails on stable? |
| 00:03.31 | black13 | Amy_ get everything booting like you want then copy the data |
| 00:03.38 | telmarie | Amy_, its how i have done it in gentoo on my work laptop a number of times |
| 00:03.40 | Amy_ | telmarie, come to think of it, I'm not sure lilo/grub is installed, in which case it should just work, no? |
| 00:03.56 | black13 | Amy_ some times its good to start with a blank slate |
| 00:04.02 | telmarie | Amy_, how do you boot w/o lilo or grub |
| 00:04.29 | Dragon-Eater | Anyone got a idea how i can let mysql accept connections on port 3306 on debian? |
| 00:04.32 | black13 | wishie what do you know about xauth |
| 00:04.34 | Amy_ | telmarie, can't you just boot straight to the disk? (This is a server, so it may have lilo/grub -- not sure.) |
| 00:04.45 | lildude | thansk |
| 00:05.18 | telmarie | Amy_, you need some sort of bootloader |
| 00:05.25 | Amy_ | telmarie, like if the mbr is clean, won't the bios just boot to the disk somehow |
| 00:05.32 | Amy_ | telmarie, hmm, k |
| 00:05.43 | sk545 | anyone get 'bad sign errors' like so with apt-update: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive |
| 00:05.43 | luxifer | anyone here had experience with mounting ntfs? I'm a newbie to linux, but have read some files regarding it. The problem is ... I got four disks in two RAIDs, and it won't mount it straight ahead ... :P |
| 00:05.43 | sk545 | Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org |
| 00:06.10 | wishie | black13: not alot, never had any troubles with it. |
| 00:06.15 | wishie | black13: sorry :) |
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| 00:06.37 | ArtistAgent | Ok i just know this is going to sound retarded but um whats the compatibility of a fedora core package on a debian system? and is it worth it for a SIP Pbx? |
| 00:06.37 | Dragon-Eater | Anyone got a idea how i can let mysql accept connections on port 3306 on debian? I am trying to connect to it with a client from a windows workstation, but its denieing my request. |
| 00:06.40 | black13 | wishie do to what you told about about a month sor back i started a new project |
| 00:07.05 | Amy_ | black13, telmarie, & deadcat, thanks! |
| 00:07.07 | telmarie | so does anyone know why i am getting the message "The following packages cannot be be authenticated" when i run apt-get upgrade? i haven't upgraded in some time |
| 00:07.29 | ArtistAgent | what package ? telmarie |
| 00:07.33 | black13 | i have two debian derivatives (fatman/littleboy) |
| 00:07.51 | telmarie | ArtistAgent, a number of them including xserver-xorg |
| 00:08.05 | luxifer | no takers on the ntfs and raid problem? :) |
| 00:08.41 | ArtistAgent | garsh dunno |
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| 00:09.07 | telmarie | am i missing sigs, are they unsigned, has my mirror been compromised? |
| 00:09.25 | telmarie | is there a way to tell how a package is signed? |
| 00:09.27 | Dragon-Eater | Anyone got a idea how i can let mysql accept connections on port 3306 on debian? I am trying to connect to it with a client from a windows workstation, but its denieing my request. |
| 00:10.11 | telmarie | Dragon-Eater, have you nmaped yourself to see if the port is open, is the mysql server running currently? |
| 00:10.30 | tosh| | how do I debug xfree86? Im trying to start startx but it won't start with only a few warnings, no errors. I removed some packages. |
| 00:10.52 | Dragon-Eater | telmarie i can tell 100% for sure its running |
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| 00:10.59 | Dragon-Eater | on the server itself it works fine telmarie |
| 00:11.06 | Dragon-Eater | but OUTsiders cant connect telmarie |
| 00:11.19 | telmarie | Dragon-Eater, nmap yourself from the server |
| 00:11.40 | Dragon-Eater | how ? :/ |
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| 00:11.48 | ids | Hi, does anyone use shorewall? I am getting the following error: Processing /etc/shorewall/rules... Error: No policy defined from zone net to zone fw |
| 00:11.59 | ArtistAgent | i don't know specifically telmarie, but i think this describes how to tell...:http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-signing.html |
| 00:12.00 | chealer | tosh|: how does it fail? is the log somewhere? |
| 00:12.18 | telmarie | Dragon-Eater, nmap -sT localhost |
| 00:12.22 | pabl0 | anybody using swsusp2 in a Dell 600m? |
| 00:12.37 | theplateau | hes on windows |
| 00:12.48 | tosh| | chealer it tries to load, gives me a blank screen, then comes back to the console |
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| 00:14.22 | jetx | bojangles: homie! |
| 00:14.40 | Dragon-Eater | telmarie some guy in mysql is giving me help already thx anyway |
| 00:14.46 | bojangles | well it looks like debian has another screwup on evolution...if you push the tasks bar...it gets totally screwed...but fortunately there is a fix |
| 00:15.03 | telmarie | Dragon-Eater, otherwise, look at /etc/mysql/my.cnf there should be an option port=3306 |
| 00:15.12 | telmarie | Dragon-Eater, cool |
| 00:15.27 | Dragon-Eater | yeah most likely my bind adress is messing |
| 00:15.34 | black13 | my problem is that the xauthority file cant be locked |
| 00:15.38 | bojangles | of course, sylpheed-claws and dillo also work in place of evolution. |
| 00:15.51 | luxifer | anyone having experience on mounting ntfs? |
| 00:15.53 | bojangles | but anyway...just a note for debian. |
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| 00:15.59 | black13 | read only file system |
| 00:16.21 | luxifer | yes ... so far |
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| 00:16.54 | tosh| | starting xfree as root works, starting as user gives me a blank screen and after 2 secs I get the console back... what gives? |
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| 00:17.14 | telmarie | luxifer, done it but not with a raid, look up the linux raid howtos, they are good |
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| 00:17.24 | luxifer | I'll try that telmarie |
| 00:17.30 | dabaR | of course, sylpheed-claws and dillo also work in place of evolution. |
| 00:17.59 | dabaR | sorry. hey, bojangles, why dont you tell dpkg about evolution fix? |
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| 00:20.20 | yacoob | Uh. |
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| 00:20.38 | yacoob | New apt does package signings check. Good. |
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| 00:22.02 | librano | hi all |
| 00:22.14 | librano | how do i remove a symlink? |
| 00:22.25 | cddesjar | rm "symlink" |
| 00:22.31 | telmarie | librano, rm should work |
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| 00:22.42 | cddesjar | i.e. i symlinked /dev/cdrom to /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:22.45 | cddesjar | rm /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:22.51 | cddesjar | voila! |
| 00:22.59 | nicoal | is all the linux-wlan-ng stuff included in 3.1? |
| 00:23.00 | cddesjar | i didnt' really do this though |
| 00:23.23 | cddesjar | it's in the repositories |
| 00:23.37 | cddesjar | is ftp.debian.org down? |
| 00:23.39 | pabl0 | anybody using swsusp2 in a Dell 600m? |
| 00:23.50 | librano | i am recompiling my kernel and linux was symlinked to the old kernel... now i have to symlink to the new one... but got to remove the old one first... |
| 00:25.13 | librano | aah... so i just go rm linux |
| 00:25.17 | librano | ? |
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| 00:25.54 | cddesjar | librano: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
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| 00:26.05 | lildude | thanks for help |
| 00:26.06 | librano | thats what i'm reading now |
| 00:26.08 | cddesjar | probably rm /usr/src/linux |
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| 00:26.22 | librano | ok kool... thanks |
| 00:26.23 | cddesjar | ln -s /path/to/new/kernel /usr/src/linux |
| 00:26.44 | cddesjar | er, is it the other way around...don't listen to me...look at the link ;) |
| 00:26.52 | librano | :) |
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| 00:29.08 | cddesjar | librano: this might also be helpful...http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/KernelCompile.htm |
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| 00:33.49 | Afroman | hi guys |
| 00:33.59 | librano | cddesjar: site not found... ut i got a few others too... thanks... i'll survive... but if i need help i know who to ask... thanks |
| 00:34.19 | Afroman | question, what is wardriving??? what about warlinux |
| 00:34.43 | cddesjar | it should just be rm /usr/src/linx/linux-kernel.2.x.x |
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| 00:34.52 | cddesjar | !warlinux |
| 00:34.57 | cddesjar | !wardriving |
| 00:35.11 | Afroman | :| |
| 00:35.26 | liable | Afroman: google will tell you. |
| 00:35.44 | cddesjar | http://www.wardriving.com/ |
| 00:35.51 | Afroman | cddesjar, did it and I couldn't understand what they were talking about... |
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| 00:36.31 | Afroman | cddesjar, I didn't know if it was a prog or a distribution |
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| 00:36.36 | cddesjar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.45 | cddesjar | that's wardriving |
| 00:36.54 | Afroman | cddesjar, or that one was a prog and the other a dist |
| 00:36.56 | cddesjar | warlinux seems to be a program |
| 00:37.03 | lawnchair | if im going from sarge -> testing should i do apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:37.28 | splattnik | is there a way to check traffic and ports that have been filtered through tc to see if it really shapes the desired ports? |
| 00:37.48 | cddesjar | lawnchair: yup! or use aptitude and do that |
| 00:37.53 | lawnchair | cddesjar, which one :) |
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| 00:38.12 | Afroman | cddesjar, is wardriving the same as warlinux??? |
| 00:38.23 | cddesjar | lawnchair: don't forget to edit /etc/apt/sources.list....apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:38.32 | lawnchair | cddesjar, alright sounds good |
| 00:38.33 | lawnchair | thank you sir |
| 00:38.34 | cddesjar | i think warlinux is a program |
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| 00:38.51 | codebunny | Does anybody know how I can install linux on my Motorola Surfboard modem? I found a site that talked about this several weeks ago, and I lost the url :( I can't find it on google now either |
| 00:39.01 | cddesjar | remove the security link and change sarge to testing |
| 00:39.12 | cddesjar | http://www.wardriving.com/doc/Wardriving-HOWTO.txt |
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| 00:39.37 | cddesjar | i see warlinux does seem to be a bootable distribution |
| 00:39.39 | sophacles | hi all. im having a problem with djbdns on my debian router box. It was working great untill today, im getting hte following error in my log files: envdir: fatal: unable to read ./env/supervise: is a directory |
| 00:39.49 | cddesjar | set up with the sole purpose of finding wireless networks and using them |
| 00:40.15 | Afroman | cddesjar, what type of distribution?? |
| 00:40.36 | buzzrunner | any one knows if exist a debian from scratch irc channel ? i can't find and wanna make sure isn't exists |
| 00:40.36 | cddesjar | afroman: do you mean what is based on? it's linux |
| 00:40.50 | cddesjar | afroman: it's warlinux that's the type of distribution it is |
| 00:41.19 | Afroman | cddesjar, based on??? Debian??? |
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| 00:43.21 | ec_ | does anyone know if keyring.debian.org is down? |
| 00:43.47 | cddesjar | Afroman: i'm not sure..i think it's based on debian |
| 00:43.56 | cddesjar | i think ftp.debian.org is |
| 00:44.25 | xsdg | ec_: not pinging from here |
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| 00:44.38 | ec_ | yes it appears that way for ftp. too |
| 00:44.41 | Afroman | cddesjar, and wardriving??? |
| 00:45.13 | ec_ | although it resolves to 208.185.25.35, and the unreachable replies come from 12.45.20.3 |
| 00:45.24 | ec_ | they seem to be having some network problems |
| 00:45.44 | cddesjar | so warlinux is the distribution that is put out by the people who are promoting wardriving (which means driving around in a car to locate and use a wireless network) |
| 00:46.00 | cddesjar | i don't think it's any different than knoppix or anything else |
| 00:46.10 | cddesjar | except it's sole purpose is to be used for wireless |
| 00:46.43 | Afroman | ok |
| 00:47.20 | Afroman | cddesjar, and wardriving is the applications used in warlinux for wireless purposses... |
| 00:47.28 | Afroman | cddesjar, is that correct??? |
| 00:48.37 | cddesjar | kind of...wardriving is the actual process of driving around looking for networks, while warlinux could be thought of as the tool to be used to find these networks...it must have some special applications that are modified specifically for finding networks |
| 00:51.11 | Afroman | I have read somewhere that wardriving could be used on all OS, I figured that it would be an open prog |
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| 00:55.42 | Afroman | cddesjar, |
| 00:56.08 | Afroman | cddesjar, so does it actually hack the wireless network??? |
| 00:57.31 | cddesjar | it does hack a wireless network |
| 00:57.39 | cddesjar | it just enters one that isn't a secure network |
| 00:57.53 | cddesjar | it "finds" private networks and allows you to connect to them |
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| 00:58.04 | cddesjar | but if they require passwords i don't think it will work |
| 00:58.35 | cddesjar | say your friend chuck has wireless, using warlinux you should be able to sit in your car outside of his house and use his wireless from your car. but you could do this with debian as well. |
| 00:58.51 | Afroman | so how is it better than the actual appluckations that we already use??? |
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| 00:59.20 | nevyn | *cough* crack |
| 00:59.46 | cddesjar | i don't actually think it is |
| 01:00.05 | Afroman | :| |
| 01:00.18 | Afroman | cddesjar, so what is the point with it?? |
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| 01:01.25 | Afroman | Debian already have something like that, wasn't dhclient "wireless card"??? |
| 01:01.37 | Afroman | so does windows |
| 01:01.37 | deadcat | sure |
| 01:02.03 | cddesjar | yup |
| 01:02.55 | Afroman | cddesjar, so it is worthless |
| 01:03.32 | cddesjar | probably...but it's bootable so give it a try if you want it shouldn't screw up what you have on now ;) |
| 01:03.44 | cddesjar | i would stick with debian |
| 01:04.11 | Afroman | cddesjar, sho, I'll check it out |
| 01:04.21 | cddesjar | cool |
| 01:04.47 | Afroman | cddesjar, although my question about it being suitable with other OS still stands |
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| 01:06.28 | Afroman | cddesjar, well is it??? |
| 01:06.53 | bojangles | there is one more thing...how come debian only has 16332 packages working on sarge....how did they miss qtiploy or pyglplot or smeg menueditor or glom or gnome-menu-editor or gsensors |
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| 01:07.14 | bob2 | bojangles: because no one put them in Debian |
| 01:07.22 | bob2 | bojangles: if you want them, you're welcome to do so |
| 01:07.29 | bob2 | also, smeg didn't exist 6 months ago |
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| 01:07.54 | bojangles | bob2, i am too tired...it took 2 days to figure out how to fix evolution after i accidentally pushed the tasks button under the calendar |
| 01:08.25 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:08.33 | kingsley | bojangles: It seems to me that whether or not a package is debianized depends on how important the package. It will need to be important enough for someone to take the time to package it. |
| 01:08.34 | SaidinUnleashed | okay, apt just gave me a good laugh... |
| 01:08.42 | SaidinUnleashed | apt-get install gentoo |
| 01:08.49 | bob2 | anyway, the anwer to "why isn't $blah in Debian?" is always "the license is shit" or "no one has packaged it yet" |
| 01:08.57 | SaidinUnleashed | not something I EVER expected to do |
| 01:08.59 | balony | How can I add additional ip addresses to 1 NIC in debian? (Im working on the box remote so I dont want to get disconnected) |
| 01:09.21 | bob2 | balony: sudo ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
| 01:09.47 | balony | bob2: will that add an additional? |
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| 01:10.18 | artisto | um |
| 01:10.40 | bob2 | balony: yes |
| 01:10.41 | PerfDave | balony: If you want it to persist between reboots, add a stanza for eth0:1 (assuming your NIC is eth0) in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:10.45 | bob2 | on kernel 2.2 and later |
| 01:10.57 | balony | bash: ip: command not found |
| 01:11.22 | balony | PerfDave: yeah, but I have to do ifdown -a;ifup -a ? |
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| 01:11.52 | bob2 | balony: install iproute |
| 01:11.56 | bob2 | or iproute2, I forget |
| 01:12.23 | artisto | ok who do i contact to get my other identity kicked off of the server? My dial up line d/c'd and now it seems to be locked in place. can someone kick me from the server? |
| 01:12.31 | PerfDave | balony: Nah, you can add with ip thing that bob2 specified, or I think "ifconfig eth0:1" will just work |
| 01:12.40 | PerfDave | artisto: /msg nickserv help |
| 01:12.47 | artisto | thanks man |
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| 01:13.17 | liquid_ | anyone familiar with eAccelarator? |
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| 01:14.10 | balony | thanks.. worked |
| 01:15.58 | artistagent | thanks perfdave |
| 01:16.01 | rixth | Do any of us have any impressions of Skype? I'm thinking of trying it out. |
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| 01:16.16 | rixth | (note I didn't say anyone :)) |
| 01:16.31 | artistagent | um what would you be using skype for rixth because that makes the difference really |
| 01:17.12 | rixth | artistagent, calling family in the USA from New Zealand |
| 01:17.47 | artistagent | rixth, for pc to phone skype is probably not the best for you. try linphone buddy |
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| 01:18.33 | artistagent | though im afraid it of course isnt available in a debian package |
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| 01:19.49 | artistagent | skype will charge you for pc to phone calls. which id rather see you get it for free (wink) as im sure you would too. but of course thats just assumptions |
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| 01:20.05 | wobbler | linphone is in unstable |
| 01:20.05 | rixth | artistagent, thank you :) |
| 01:20.24 | rixth | How is it for PC to PC calls? Quality wise |
| 01:20.32 | artistagent | great! |
| 01:21.05 | artistagent | linphone 1.0.1 is in unstable |
| 01:21.22 | fflush | better then skype,some how i doubt it |
| 01:21.35 | flok420 | any mutt-guru's here? |
| 01:21.42 | artistagent | i mean as far as pc to phone |
| 01:21.52 | artistagent | pc to pc skype is the bomb diggetty |
| 01:22.46 | rixth | artistagent, bomb diggetty? :) |
| 01:23.24 | rixth | I get to go back to school tomorrow to a lovley three period accounting assessment. Joy. |
| 01:23.34 | artistagent | :) yep its the "shiz nit" :) |
| 01:23.49 | rixth | Heh |
| 01:23.52 | artistagent | forgive my snooperisms |
| 01:24.01 | artistagent | ooh sounds like fun |
| 01:24.53 | artistagent | but truthfully knowledge is power it will be worth it |
| 01:24.59 | artistagent | :) |
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| 01:26.15 | rixth | artistagent, never was a truer statement said! :) |
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| 01:27.19 | rixth | Debian really need to fix the search tool at http://packages.debian.org If you put in two keywords it says "Keyword invalid or missing" |
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| 01:29.29 | rixth | It's so disheartening, #gentoo still has more users. |
| 01:29.50 | cadu | it's true that debian is losing space in the top distro things ? |
| 01:29.55 | tvn | um .... |
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| 01:30.08 | rixth | cadu, I think so, it |
| 01:30.14 | tvn | why is that a problem ? |
| 01:31.00 | rixth | Well, according to distrowatch.com it's ranked 6th (Debian) infront of Gentoo at 8th. |
| 01:31.27 | xenolith | a good number of distros are based on debian, though |
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| 01:31.43 | rixth | I think Gentoo is for vain 'ub3r g33ks'. They need to tweak every last Hz out of their machine, a stage 1 install takes what, like 16 hours? |
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| 01:32.00 | rixth | Then again, just my opinion |
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| 01:32.48 | Mardus | Hi. |
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| 01:33.14 | Mardus | My Netscape4 crashed. Is it possible to get a core dump of it or something that would help me recover a letter I wrote in a form? |
| 01:33.19 | bob2 | wtf |
| 01:33.24 | bob2 | people still use netscape? |
| 01:33.25 | bob2 | 4? |
| 01:33.27 | FieldySnuts | 4?? |
| 01:33.27 | naoliv | Netscape 4? |
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| 01:33.58 | Mardus | bob2, et al: Yes, I do. I might be likened to the last people still using NMT instead of GSM... |
| 01:34.07 | FieldySnuts | i doubt you can get a core dump, or even use gdb on it, probably doesn't have debugging symbols, or at the very least, the binary is stripped |
| 01:34.11 | Mardus | I also use an old computer and I need Netscape4 for login services. |
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| 01:34.32 | rixth | But still, version 4?! |
| 01:34.46 | FieldySnuts | 4 is riddled with significant security holes... geez |
| 01:34.47 | Mardus | rixth: 4.77. I also use dillo, lynx and Elinks. |
| 01:34.47 | tvn | what you wrote in a form is probably not saved :( it's not like MS Word that has that *advanced* feature |
| 01:35.14 | Mardus | tvn: I know that MSWord has. I hoped debian had some hook in it. |
| 01:35.16 | bob2 | you could run strings on the core file |
| 01:35.18 | bob2 | if you have it |
| 01:35.24 | Mardus | bob2: How? |
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| 01:35.34 | bob2 | Mardus: no, no one but netscape can modify or fix netscape, including adding features |
| 01:35.41 | bob2 | Mardus: do you have the core file? |
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| 01:36.06 | Mardus | bob2: I don't know whether I have it or not, but I hope it is there. And if it is, I don't know where it is. |
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| 01:36.22 | bob2 | then you're probably screwed |
| 01:36.30 | bob2 | "sudo find -name core /" |
| 01:36.35 | Mardus | bob2: Yea, at least I made notes of what my letter contained. |
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| 01:37.40 | FieldySnuts | do file /path/to/netscape-bin , if it says stripped, forget it |
| 01:38.02 | Mardus | bob2: I knew that when form contents in Netscape4 exceeded some probably predetermined size, then it would crash. A similar thing happened in Windows, so it's a Netscape4 and not enough memory issue. |
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| 01:38.38 | FieldySnuts | by the way, what is logon services, NTLM? |
| 01:38.59 | Mardus | bob2: I did "sudo find -name core /" but I am missing something. |
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| 01:39.12 | bob2 | ? |
| 01:39.21 | xoz | Mardus: find / -iname core |
| 01:39.52 | fas3r | dites quel commande de savoir quel port est utiliser par une application |
| 01:40.09 | rixth | Is this problem just me? Debian really need to fix the search tool at http://packages.debian.org If you put in two keywords it says "Keyword invalid or missing" |
| 01:40.11 | Mardus | Now it ran some, but nothing was found, when I ran it from myusername@:~$ |
| 01:40.13 | FieldySnuts | fas3r: we speak english here, I am not sure what you are saying |
| 01:40.18 | fas3r | oups sorry |
| 01:40.25 | rixth | Geez, FF 1.0.6 is out and Etch still only has 1.0.4 |
| 01:40.27 | naoliv | Mardus: FieldySnuts is right. "file" will show if the binary is stripped or not. |
| 01:40.27 | bob2 | rixth: so file a bug and use apt-cache |
| 01:40.33 | bob2 | Mardus: then youre screwed |
| 01:40.36 | rixth | bob2, will do. |
| 01:40.43 | bob2 | dudes, it doesn't matter if the binary is stripped or not |
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| 01:41.08 | FieldySnuts | can't exactly run gdb on it |
| 01:41.23 | bob2 | sure |
| 01:41.26 | bob2 | but yo ucan run strings on it |
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| 01:41.36 | Mardus | Can anyone tell dpkg to tell fas3r to look for #debian-french? |
| 01:41.36 | haehae | hello |
| 01:41.39 | FieldySnuts | wait are we talking a binary or core file |
| 01:41.47 | FieldySnuts | !fr |
| 01:41.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 01:41.47 | fas3r | do you know what command is necessary for know what port is use by what application? |
| 01:41.54 | Mardus | naoliv: I don't know how to do what FieldySnuts recommended -- to cryptic. |
| 01:42.02 | FieldySnuts | fas3r: sure. netstat -anp | grep :port-number |
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| 01:42.19 | haehae | Xdialog --title "EDIT BOX" --fixed-font -print "" --editbox /tmp/editbox.tmp.$$ 0 0 2>/tmp/editbox.txt.$$ # results in a segfault .... and i cant strace it (no ouput).. anyone maybe knows howto fix this ? |
| 01:42.49 | FieldySnuts | if what i suggested was cryptic, have fun figuring your poblem out |
| 01:42.51 | fas3r | Mardus, FieldySnuts sorry i think i had think i'm in the french chan it's an error |
| 01:43.02 | fas3r | ok thank FieldySnuts |
| 01:43.04 | FieldySnuts | fas3r: it is okay :) I just did not know what you were saying |
| 01:43.19 | Mardus | fas3r: I wasn't annoyed by you, but asked someone to pass good advice on langue francaise |
| 01:43.23 | naoliv | Mardus: The "file" command will just tell if netscape is stripped or not (if it's possible to use "gdb" to debug it, for example). |
| 01:43.45 | black13 | i am fucking bored |
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| 01:43.49 | Mardus | FieldySnuts: Well, it seems cryptic. Sorry, if you feel offended. |
| 01:43.52 | haehae | black13 help me.. :p |
| 01:43.54 | FieldySnuts | I son'r |
| 01:43.57 | FieldySnuts | .. rather, I don't |
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| 01:44.01 | Vilim | Is there any way I could use iTunes on MacOS to play music stored on either the debian machine or the Mac machine on the sound card of the debian machine? I am thinking of either a remote or a streaming thing. |
| 01:44.13 | black13 | haehae how where? |
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| 01:44.21 | FieldySnuts | iTunes is a closed and commercial product, as apple |
| 01:44.23 | ForrestF | how do i get debian to route all internet traffic thue a SHOCKS5 server |
| 01:44.31 | ix | Vilim: There are better solutions, I think. |
| 01:44.33 | FieldySnuts | SOCKS5? |
| 01:44.39 | ForrestF | ya |
| 01:44.47 | haehae | scoll up some, read my statement of my problem.. if you dont understand, just try the command i pasted and look if it works on your system |
| 01:44.48 | haehae | :p |
| 01:44.52 | FieldySnuts | well. not all apps even support it, other than that note, i'm not really sure |
| 01:45.13 | Skaja | ok if i install debian on a diffrent hard drive will it so stuff with the first drive |
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| 01:45.25 | Mardus | I think Apple will keep on having XFree86 as its X server in OS X instead of X.org |
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| 01:45.37 | black13 | haehae dont know how to help you |
| 01:45.54 | haehae | did you try the command black13 ? |
| 01:46.30 | black13 | no |
| 01:46.45 | haehae | :/ |
| 01:46.46 | black13 | repost it |
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| 01:47.13 | haehae | echo bleh > /tmp/editbox.tmp ; Xdialog --title "EDIT BOX" --fixed-font -print "" --editbox /tmp/editbox.tmp 0 0 2>/tmp/editbox.txt |
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| 01:47.42 | segment | can someone take a look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/pthWp217.html regarding apache problem please |
| 01:48.02 | black13 | didnt do anything |
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| 01:48.49 | Mardus | Okay, file results on Netscape4: /usr/lib/netscape/base-4/wrapper: Bourne shell script text executable |
| 01:48.54 | mombof | msg dpkg bind |
| 01:48.59 | mombof | oops |
| 01:49.10 | nicknicknick | php antivirus is a bit lame :/ |
| 01:49.37 | naoliv | Mardus: Is it there a /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator? |
| 01:49.56 | naoliv | Mardus: Or /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-navigator? |
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| 01:51.30 | Mardus | naoliv: There is /usr/lib/netscape/477/communicator/communicator-smotif . That refers to ../../base-4/wrapper |
| 01:51.40 | bob2 | that doesn't matter |
| 01:51.45 | bob2 | if you have no core file, you have nothing |
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| 01:52.12 | Mardus | bob2: What's the importance of a core file? |
| 01:52.35 | bob2 | core file = dump of netscape's memory when it crashed |
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| 01:54.10 | Mardus | bob2: Ok. Well, I'll have to resort to writing my letters in a text editor. It's also interesting that when I write something very lengthy and from scratch in gnotepad+ and when I don't save it, then it crashes, too. Or hangs the X. |
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| 01:54.27 | bob2 | file a bug on it |
| 01:54.30 | bob2 | that's shit |
| 01:54.37 | Mardus | bob2: gnotepad+? |
| 01:54.46 | Mardus | bob2: You mean, gnotepad+ is shit? |
| 01:54.56 | bob2 | doing that is shit |
| 01:55.01 | jetx | the_bug |
| 01:55.11 | simonrvn | hmm, one-sided partial convo can mean only one thing, an /ignore was set |
| 01:55.11 | FieldySnuts | it's a gnome app, it likey is indeed shit |
| 01:55.13 | bob2 | it's not a very good text editor eitheer, tho |
| 01:55.22 | FieldySnuts | !insult simonrvn |
| 01:55.23 | dpkg | simonrvn is nothing but an ill-borne half-mouthful of droning toxic waste |
| 01:55.24 | jetx | i like gedit |
| 01:55.58 | Mardus | bob2: Well, I read of it in an old Russian-language Linux book, when I needed a text editor with keybindings similar to Notepad. |
| 01:56.11 | jetx | notepad has keybindings? |
| 01:56.23 | simonrvn | if your toes were any stinkier, we'd have to incinerate them |
| 01:56.23 | bob2 | ok |
| 01:56.28 | black13 | i now have "timeout in locking authority file /home/game/.Xauthority" |
| 01:56.31 | Mardus | jetx: Common Windows keyboard shortcuts, such as Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V. |
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| 01:56.50 | jetx | those seem kinda 'universal', or almost |
| 01:57.05 | jetx | but i know nothing |
| 01:57.19 | bkhl | Mardus: http://emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CuaMode |
| 01:58.31 | TheAsp | wow, that is disgusting :P |
| 01:58.37 | Mardus | And gnotepad+ is actually a good thing when used correctly (saved file and so, because then I can recover it), as it also supports text wrapping without newline, so I can copy-paste text to a Netscape form. |
| 01:59.05 | simonrvn | and i just woke up from a nap, don't expect miracles, heh |
| 01:59.06 | Mardus | bkhl: I don't use emacs, although I like some of its keybindings that I discovered when using Xedit. |
| 01:59.20 | bkhl | TheAsp: I'm right there with you. Just thought it was a good hint. |
| 01:59.21 | black13 | simon called peter |
| 02:02.10 | Mardus | bkhl: When using Xedit, I got used to emacs' keybindings, but emacs is also a very large program in and of itself. I think there's a nice text editor without the kitchen-sink effect with emacs keybindings, but most console ones seem to support text wrapping through newline. |
| 02:03.14 | Mardus | bkhl: And I need a graphical one, which is why gnotepad+ seems to be the solution. Anyone know whether gedit is smaller than gnotepad+? |
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| 02:03.30 | bkhl | Graphical? |
| 02:03.36 | Mardus | bkhl: In X. |
| 02:03.45 | bkhl | Emacs runs in X. |
| 02:04.08 | Mardus | bkhl: That's fine, but I need to copy and paste text so that it won't get pasted with newlines. |
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| 02:04.36 | bkhl | That works, too. |
| 02:04.40 | black13 | fucking xauth is killing me |
| 02:04.45 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 02:05.14 | bkhl | Mardus: I mean, you don't have to use Emacs if you don't want too, but you seem to imagine it has a lot of limitations that it doesn't have. |
| 02:05.33 | Mardus | bkhl: It does? But it's still six megabytes in size. Well, this statement makes me a hypocrite, as gnotepad+ is no small thing either. |
| 02:05.56 | bkhl | And what's 6 MB in this day and age... |
| 02:06.17 | Mardus | bkhl: "It does?" -- as referring to its ability to allow with-no-newline pasting. |
| 02:06.35 | Mardus | bkhl: In this day and age, I still use a computer that has 32M of RAM. |
| 02:06.46 | Ford-Prefect | how do I download all deb's that is needed by depencensies via apt-get? because I have a feeling I've missed a few |
| 02:07.04 | bkhl | Mardus: You can have Emacs own cut'n'paste buffer interoperate with X'. |
| 02:07.05 | bob2 | ust apt-get |
| 02:07.11 | bob2 | if you can't, explain why |
| 02:07.28 | black13 | FieldySnuts most likely |
| 02:07.34 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate black13 |
| 02:07.35 | dpkg | black13: wenas how does I run teh quake3 lol |
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| 02:08.25 | Mardus | bkhl: I could, but I now have gnotepad+. And my HDD space is not limitless. |
| 02:08.29 | black13 | dpkg: touch FieldySnuts |
| 02:08.30 | dpkg | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 02:08.41 | black13 | dpkg: caress FieldySnuts |
| 02:08.52 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 02:08.56 | black13 | no caress command |
| 02:09.00 | FieldySnuts | !molest black13 |
| 02:09.03 | black13 | to bad |
| 02:09.08 | FieldySnuts | you wish. |
| 02:10.13 | black13 | http://www.eso.org/outreach/eduoff/edu-prog/catchastar/CAS2002/cas-projects/france_io_1/corregio.jpg |
| 02:10.24 | nicknicknick | how long does it take a clean cacti install before is starts showing real graphs? |
| 02:10.33 | Mardus | bkhl: I could, of course, use Lynx and use the primitive Nano 1.0.6 (that came with woody), but it's not as functional. I need to be able to jump from word-to-word, which is impossible with the nano version that I have. |
| 02:11.19 | Mardus | And nano 1.0.6 doesn't support text cutting, AFAIK. |
| 02:11.22 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: dyslexia Phated |
| 02:11.29 | FieldySnuts | poor thing is slow |
| 02:11.30 | black13 | i fell like getting ripped but i know i would suffer the next day |
| 02:11.31 | Mardus | At least not as conveniently. |
| 02:12.05 | rixth | How can I find out what is using port 10000 on my computer? |
| 02:12.19 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: test |
| 02:12.19 | dpkg | Sorry, fieldysnuts, I didn't get your test. |
| 02:12.27 | Mardus | rixth: try netstat -plone or netstat -plont |
| 02:12.31 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: factinfo dyslexia |
| 02:12.31 | dpkg | dyslexia -- last modified 1d 10h 18m 55s ago by FieldySnuts!WQUmMcagru@fieldysnuts.user; it has been requested 4 times, last by fhffhqvb, 1d 10h 17m 12s ago. |
| 02:12.39 | FieldySnuts | uh ok |
| 02:13.00 | rixth | Mardus, thanks |
| 02:13.33 | Mardus | rixth: I might have given you bad advice. netstat is the correct program, but I don't know which options work right. |
| 02:13.57 | FieldySnuts | netstat -anp | grep :10000 |
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| 02:14.02 | FieldySnuts | default webmin port, by the way. |
| 02:14.18 | rixth | FieldySnuts, of course! webmin! Thanks |
| 02:14.33 | rixth | It conflicts with the default port for Zend Studio |
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| 02:15.35 | FieldySnuts | using default ports is generally a poor idea anyway |
| 02:15.48 | Mardus | So bye. |
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| 02:22.40 | relb1 | I'm trying to create new device files in /dev using mknod, but they keep disappearing every time I reboot. What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:23.07 | mdh | relb1: using devfs or udev, that's what you're doing wrong |
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| 02:24.05 | relb1 | mdh: sorry, I don't follow. Am I supposed to use devfs or udev to do it? (what are they?) |
| 02:26.00 | nvz | relb1: you miss the point it seems |
| 02:26.01 | mdh | relb1: the default debian kernel uses devfs. udev is a more-or-less replacement for it in 2.6. they handle automatic device management for you. |
| 02:26.23 | Gnea | !devfs |
| 02:26.23 | dpkg | from memory, devfs is obsolete and will be removed from the upstream Linux kernel shortly. See <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01072.html>. |
| 02:26.25 | Gnea | !udev |
| 02:26.26 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 02:27.04 | bkhl | mdh: it does?! Here it just uses plain old dev files. |
| 02:27.23 | xenolith | is there any way to do a string comparison on the last three chars of a string? I have an array of filenames and want to check their extensions |
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| 02:28.27 | bkhl | Well, first you can't be sure a file extension is three characters long... |
| 02:28.40 | relb1 | ok, so if I want these device files to be persistent, I have to muck with some config file? |
| 02:28.45 | mdh | xenolith: filenames on unix systems don't have "extensions" |
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| 02:29.02 | Gnea | sometimes the files in question do have extensions |
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| 02:29.26 | jm_ | hi. I'm using an Xnest server to test enlightenment, but my connections to the Xnest server are being refused. anyone knows how can I enable local connections to the Xnest server? I thought on using xhost, but din't work. |
| 02:29.27 | Gnea | mdh: .sh .pl .php |
| 02:29.32 | xenolith | well, the last three chars of the filename ('ext' from foo.ext). |
| 02:29.33 | bkhl | Let's assume he uses extensions by convention... |
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| 02:30.00 | mdh | Gnea: rename any of them and they'll work |
| 02:30.13 | Gnea | mdh: that's obviously NOT the point |
| 02:30.20 | bkhl | Not .php, probably... ;-) |
| 02:30.21 | Gnea | wow, it's idiot hour in here |
| 02:30.35 | mdh | !permasunday |
| 02:30.35 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 02:30.43 | bkhl | xenolith: so what do you mean by comparison? |
| 02:30.49 | bkhl | What do you want to know? |
| 02:31.08 | relb1 | xenolith: yes, it's possible. but how you do it needs more detail. are you writing a script? |
| 02:31.10 | fas3r | do u know if it has a commnd for select just one line in a result ? i have test with a "grep -n " but it's not good |
| 02:31.10 | mdh | jm_: man xauth |
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| 02:31.20 | raphxl | hi |
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| 02:32.57 | alekzandr | what is the recommended kernel version now? i am running sarge recently pgraded from woody, currently at 2.4.19-ac4, i am experiencing ramdon kernel panics, and trying to fix them |
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| 02:35.56 | jdhutchin1 | alekzandr, sarge runs 2.6.8, you might want to upgrade to that |
| 02:36.11 | jdhutchin1 | although random kernel panics can be a sign of hardware or other issues |
| 02:38.08 | mdh | such an ancient kernel could be exploited by its known security holes causing a crash... |
| 02:38.22 | FieldySnuts | !insult mdh |
| 02:38.23 | dpkg | mdh is nothing but an unoriginal thimbleful of wayward rat-farts |
| 02:38.30 | alekzandr | the server is colocated, and they just swapped the hard drive into a new chassis, the kernel panics returned after a day and a half, i am completely stymied by this |
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| 02:38.35 | segment | can someone take a look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/pthWp217.html regarding apache problem please |
| 02:38.58 | mdh | how did fieldysnuts get off /ignore ? |
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| 02:43.21 | alekzandr | to upgrade the kernel then, i would apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ? |
| 02:43.32 | wishie | anyone here using blootbot ? its what apt/dpkg run, isnt it ? |
| 02:43.39 | TwistedEmotions | I had to remove my Tv Tuner card and I moved it to another slot... now anytime I run any TV Program to try to watch my computer freezes... anyone know how to remove and reinstall the driver or how to figure out what is wrong? |
| 02:43.54 | TwistedEmotions | I think the command is modprobe? |
| 02:44.01 | TwistedEmotions | or something like that |
| 02:44.05 | wishie | TwistedEmotions: cant see why the slot would make a difference. sure the cards in the slot properly though ? |
| 02:44.22 | wishie | TwistedEmotions: rmmod <module> to remove it |
| 02:44.25 | simonrvn | !hhos |
| 02:44.25 | dpkg | hhos is probably Ha Ha Only Serious |
| 02:44.30 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:44.30 | wishie | TwistedEmotions: modprobe <module> to install it |
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| 02:44.37 | TwistedEmotions | wishie: I think so... because it shows like 1 frame then freezes |
| 02:44.57 | TwistedEmotions | wishie: How do I find out what module it is? |
| 02:45.04 | wishie | what tv card is it |
| 02:45.09 | TwistedEmotions | Errrrr... |
| 02:45.13 | wishie | most likely a bttv one ? |
| 02:45.16 | TwistedEmotions | Generica 2000? |
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| 02:45.35 | TwistedEmotions | is there some way to find out? |
| 02:45.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: http://www.linuxpicnic.org/rsvp/ |
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| 02:45.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: signup you and akash if you guys going. |
| 02:46.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk |
| 02:46.14 | wishie | deadcat: im having troulbe getting blootbot to act as i would like it too..and how do i get it to search debian packages as dpkg does ? |
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| 02:46.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the design sucks. )= |
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| 02:46.30 | jim | where does exim keep its spool |
| 02:46.41 | deadcat | wishie: i dont get it. |
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| 02:47.02 | wishie | deadcat: well, the bot dplg can search debian packages, right ? |
| 02:47.06 | wishie | dpkg too |
| 02:47.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I did... what design? |
| 02:47.23 | deadcat | wishie: oh. /msg dpkg find packagename |
| 02:47.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the logo on the main page. tahts NOT a winner |
| 02:47.35 | wishie | deadcat: yeah, im trying to get my blootbot to do the same |
| 02:47.37 | black13 | deadcat still fight xautority |
| 02:47.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: http://www.linuxpicnic.org/logocontest/ |
| 02:47.49 | black13 | fighting |
| 02:48.04 | deadcat | black13: you kidding me? didnt we tell you to just get "sux" ? |
| 02:48.08 | wishie | deadcat: can the bot also search package names, or just contents ? |
| 02:48.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: haha they both suck. |
| 02:48.29 | black13 | deadcat i dont understand how sux works |
| 02:48.31 | deadcat | wishie: all, just use apt-cache search packagename if you want from the command line |
| 02:48.35 | jim | black13: just ssh whoever@wherever |
| 02:48.47 | wishie | deadcat: im trying to get my bot to do it.. |
| 02:48.49 | deadcat | black13: you run "sux - root" or whoever and thats it. have you man sux? |
| 02:48.53 | jim | black13: then FIND OUT |
| 02:48.59 | deadcat | wishie: you have a bot too? |
| 02:49.08 | jim | sheesh |
| 02:49.20 | wishie | deadcat: yeah, blootbot, on another network |
| 02:49.33 | deadcat | wishie: oh.. hell i dont know. dpkg aint mine (= |
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| 02:49.57 | wishie | assuffield or someone made it, didnt he ? |
| 02:50.02 | black13 | jim welcome to the ignore list |
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| 02:50.13 | jim | black13: likewise. |
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| 02:51.12 | jim | I hate people who ask for help and won't accept it when it's given. |
| 02:51.14 | wishie | id like to know where the bot gets its debian lists from..as i have a local mirror, and would be easier to update from that.. |
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| 02:51.28 | Mafia_Boy | This Site Was Suspended By FBI , For Contact Please mail Us At Our E-mail. |
| 02:51.33 | jim | they are stupid by definition and by choice. |
| 02:51.38 | Mafia_Boy | xxx.iaiiraq.net |
| 02:51.40 | Mafia_Boy | lo1 |
| 02:51.42 | Mafia_Boy | hahgaahahhaga |
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| 02:52.28 | Twisted2 | deadcat: Want to ssh? |
| 02:53.08 | Twisted2 | Jesus one ban and everyone goes silent |
| 02:53.17 | deadcat | Twisted2: ssh where? |
| 02:53.29 | jim | he's not banned |
| 02:53.31 | Twisted2 | deadcat: my comp ;) |
| 02:53.40 | Twisted2 | Oh.. well whatever that was. |
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| 02:53.44 | deadcat | Twisted2: ok. |
| 02:53.51 | Twisted2 | deadcat: gimme a sec |
| 02:54.03 | rob_lt | get a room |
| 02:54.06 | deadcat | bob2: who did you banned? |
| 02:55.07 | mdh | deadcat: what version of "he's not banned" do you find difficult to understand? |
| 02:55.26 | deadcat | mdh: 3.4 |
| 02:55.42 | alekzandr | i am going to have a problem upgrading the kernel on a colocated machine i have no physical access to? |
| 02:55.58 | jim | but you understood 1.0, and the meaning was never obscured afterwards... |
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| 02:56.13 | Randall64 | Anyone using an rt2500 wireless card? |
| 02:56.29 | deadcat | Randall64: no |
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| 02:56.38 | Randall64 | deadcat: You sound very sure of yourself (and everyone else) |
| 02:56.45 | jim | Randall64: did you read the linux hardware compatibility list before you bought new hardware? |
| 02:57.08 | Randall64 | jim: the authoritative list? |
| 02:57.17 | jim | -any- list |
| 02:57.21 | Randall64 | jim: What's that url? (I did know of _some_ support) |
| 02:57.27 | Randall64 | jim: Why do you ask? |
| 02:57.31 | jim | dunno |
| 02:58.14 | jim | if you read it and chose the card for its level of support in linux as well as its performance and features, good... |
| 02:58.28 | black13 | deadcat thanks |
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| 02:58.42 | Randall64 | Actually, I chose it for price, since ndiswrapper is always there just in case. |
| 02:58.46 | jim | if you didn't, then you're lacking information about that support and maybe you don't know whether linux has any support |
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| 02:59.29 | Randall64 | I've been mucking with the GPL driver, but didn't come looking for a knee-jerk lecture. |
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| 03:00.17 | jim | why didn't you just say that? would have been nice if your original posting had some information in it |
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| 03:00.30 | Randall64 | jim: oh, you've read my postings? |
| 03:00.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: gimme a sec... my comps going nuts... |
| 03:00.44 | Randall64 | I was just about to make some too. |
| 03:00.49 | jetx | i have a video capture card. i have all the proper modules loaded. it functions. but, i don't know how to use it. |
| 03:00.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: seems like it. (= |
| 03:01.05 | jim | this one: "<Randall64> Anyone using an rt2500 wireless card?" |
| 03:01.10 | Randall64 | jetx: Do you just want to watch teevee? |
| 03:01.21 | jim | the one lacking information |
| 03:01.32 | Randall64 | jim: Ahh, I've never "posted" to irc, so I guess I wasn't expecting that description. |
| 03:01.37 | jetx | no, rip video. i don't think it's a tv tuner also. (not positive, but don't think so) |
| 03:01.50 | Randall64 | jim: The information lacking was the responses from others. |
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| 03:02.08 | Randall64 | jim: I don't recall asking for lots of great information from everyone about the card and driver. |
| 03:02.13 | jim | so then your conclusion is no one can help you given that? |
| 03:02.26 | mwilson | jim: More lack of clue tonight, huh? |
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| 03:02.39 | Randall64 | jim: Yes, because I'm quite convinced that I can read mailing list archives and forums as well as anyone else in the channel. |
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| 03:02.54 | Randall64 | jim: I am pleased to see people so eager to help though. |
| 03:03.00 | jim | mwilson: actually, the problem is that he -is- clued, and -still- failed to provide information |
| 03:03.03 | mwilson | Randall64: Meaning you're incapable of it, like they are? |
| 03:03.13 | Randall64 | mwilson: excuse me? |
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| 03:03.31 | Randall64 | mwilson: I've exhausted all those resources, so I took a stab at irc. |
| 03:03.54 | jetx | irc is a tool like google, but different |
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| 03:04.06 | Gumby | when copying data from a CD using... well, pretty much anything... the files do not get coppied +rw making it hard for some linux rookies to do something like edit files (permission denied when they try to save). Is there any way of setting something somewhere so that when data is coppied off of a CD it gets written +rw? |
| 03:04.06 | mwilson | Randall64: You actually mean you hadn't even looked at those resources, right? |
| 03:04.19 | mwilson | gravity! Good evening. |
| 03:04.27 | gravity | Hi |
| 03:04.27 | jim | jetx: no, it's quite different, google is an unpopulated resource, irc has nothing but people... |
| 03:04.29 | Randall64 | mwilson: um, no, I mean I have searched and read them thoroughly (a little slow, eh?) |
| 03:04.49 | jetx | jim: i did say 'but different' |
| 03:04.51 | gnuck | my system hangs when i change session. xfree86.0.log indicates "tablet (my input) device close", caught signal 11, which means 'invalid memeory reference'. what takes? |
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| 03:05.06 | Randall64 | welp, thanks for the uninhibited enthusiasm! |
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| 03:05.26 | mwilson | gravity: Hey... how long before -5? |
| 03:05.27 | jim | jetx: that part was a copout meant to allow you to say nothing and then be able to say that when someone calls you on it :P |
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| 03:05.33 | jetx | and Gumby the cd/dvd is ro, so either chown it by hand or embed it in a script that does it i guess |
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| 03:05.56 | jetx | jim: i'm not normal. so no. :) |
| 03:05.57 | gravity | mwilson: I'm not totally sure yet. Obviously not until ftp-master is back. I have the major fixes that I want already in, but I would like a few more. |
| 03:06.15 | Gumby | jetx: I am asking for someone else. yes, thats a simple solution. But its not so simple for a newb. I was just curious if there was an option that could be enabled somewhere that I have never heard of |
| 03:06.27 | jetx | Gumby: no idea |
| 03:06.35 | gravity | mwilson: We have a long TODO list for -5, but most of it is just checking things over |
| 03:07.24 | black13 | thank god for futurama |
| 03:07.42 | mwilson | black13: Why? Futurama is lousy television. |
| 03:08.01 | jetx | more |
| 03:08.09 | black13 | mwilson troll |
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| 03:08.12 | mwilson | Actually, anything by Matt Groenig is lousy television. |
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| 03:08.24 | coywolf | how to clean those purged entry record? |
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| 03:08.55 | mwilson | <sigh> Managing unstable by hand is getting old. |
| 03:08.55 | jim | where does exim keep its spool |
| 03:09.01 | gnuck | my system hangs when i change session. xfree86.0.log indicates "tablet (my input) device close", caught signal 11, which means 'invalid memeory reference'. what takes? |
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| 03:09.50 | gnuck | mwilson, talk about tv somewhere else, this is DEBIAN! |
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| 03:10.51 | mwilson | Gods, dependencies in Sid are fscked up at the moment. |
| 03:11.04 | jim | yes, they're presently a mess |
| 03:11.06 | jetx | mwilson: you don't like simpsons eh |
| 03:11.15 | coywolf | how to clean those purged entry record? |
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| 03:11.45 | mwilson | Whyinhell does an updated xfe think it needs to install half of xorg... |
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| 03:12.02 | jetx | because i filed a br on it :p |
| 03:12.19 | jetx | maybe |
| 03:12.32 | jetx | the foxlib was fuxored though he siad, not xfe itself |
| 03:12.36 | jim | coywolf: /msg dpkg smart questions and then /msg dpkg smart questions and then read every word on the link that gives you |
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| 03:12.58 | coywolf | how to clean those purged package entry record? |
| 03:13.03 | mwilson | Ok, I am not installing lsb-base without a good reason. |
| 03:13.05 | jim | coywolf: and then when you ask again -please- tell us what you -mean- |
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| 03:13.15 | footballstud91 | will debian work on my computer???? |
| 03:13.19 | coywolf | jim, *package |
| 03:13.22 | jetx | footballstud91: no |
| 03:13.25 | coywolf | jim, purged *package |
| 03:13.32 | gravity | footballstud91: Debian isn't for computers. |
| 03:13.36 | coywolf | jim, I don't wnat purged package still show up |
| 03:13.41 | jim | it's for footballs! |
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| 03:13.48 | footballstud91 | jetx: what |
| 03:13.55 | jetx | no it won't work |
| 03:13.55 | footballstud91 | gravity: ????????? |
| 03:13.58 | jetx | unless... |
| 03:13.58 | mwilson | coywolf: What possible reason could you have to care? |
| 03:13.59 | footballstud91 | jetx: y not |
| 03:14.00 | abydos | ahem. |
| 03:14.00 | jim | coywolf: show up where? |
| 03:14.01 | MobyTurbo | !work |
| 03:14.07 | jetx | you actually have a clue, then it will. |
| 03:14.09 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 03:14.20 | mwilson | feh... everything wants to install one part or another of xorg. |
| 03:14.25 | Kylixen | What package might the documentation for basic C functions be in. Such as scanf from stdio? |
| 03:14.34 | mwilson | I hate modular systems on that scale. |
| 03:14.35 | abydos | for future reference, self: *always* enable generic IDE support before the board-specific controller when compiling your own kernel |
| 03:14.36 | MobyTurbo | fooey, dpkg is dead |
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| 03:14.41 | jetx | !tell footballstud91 about smart questions |
| 03:14.44 | jim | Kylixen: libc6-doc or glibc-doc |
| 03:14.48 | vali | mwilson: manpages-dev iirc |
| 03:14.55 | Kylixen | arigato. |
| 03:14.59 | jetx | ~tell footballstud91 about smart questions |
| 03:15.06 | vali | ups, kylixen |
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| 03:15.15 | mdh | mwilson: xorg has only been out... what... 3 years? |
| 03:15.16 | footballstud91 | jetx: ???? |
| 03:15.25 | jim | yeah, manpages-dev has the info too |
| 03:15.30 | Kylixen | vali: ? |
| 03:15.34 | mwilson | Whatever idiot decided X needed to be broken up into lots of itty-bitty packages should be shot. |
| 03:15.38 | jetx | footballstud91: ??? |
| 03:15.47 | mdh | mwilson: that would be the DPL ;) |
| 03:15.50 | jim | that would be branden |
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| 03:16.08 | mwilson | mdh: What does the length of time have to do with anything? |
| 03:16.08 | jetx | ~worship overfiend |
| 03:16.09 | apt | ACTION bows down before overfiend. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 03:16.10 | gravity | mwilson: Uh, it needed to be |
| 03:16.13 | vali | Kylixen: i think manpages-dev is the package you want |
| 03:16.24 | jim | how long is time? |
| 03:16.27 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: thin x terms might need that. There's always the x-window-system and x-window-system-core metapackages |
| 03:16.29 | mwilson | gravity: People who RUN X do not need it so. |
| 03:16.34 | jetx | as long as the duration |
| 03:16.36 | footballstud91 | jetx: wat did u do? |
| 03:16.39 | gravity | mwilson: They do indeed. The transition just isn't done yet |
| 03:16.41 | Kylixen | vali: Possibly, thanks. |
| 03:16.41 | mwilson | gravity: Maybe people who *develop* with X do. |
| 03:16.45 | jim | how long is the duration? |
| 03:16.45 | MobyTurbo | @u |
| 03:16.50 | gravity | mwilson: With the modular tree, the benefits to the user will come through |
| 03:16.51 | jetx | footballstud91: a few things |
| 03:16.52 | mdh | mwilson: I'm fairly certain at least 1 X11 application has been written in the past 3 years... what is it meant to depend on? |
| 03:17.10 | baroni | Hi all. My machine is waiting too long in the boot time when checking/starting for the nfs. Does anybody knows what can being happening? |
| 03:17.16 | jetx | footballstud91: go to debian.org, download a net install iso image |
| 03:17.28 | black13 | deadcat would sux be compatible with "sux" |
| 03:17.30 | jetx | footballstud91: stick with sarge/stable at first |
| 03:17.42 | artistagent | mwilson, its about versataility. heres the fact. i dont want debian to decide what packages i have on my computer. i want power over that |
| 03:17.50 | jim | baroni: make sure your resolv.conf points at a name server that's working at the point that network services are started |
| 03:18.08 | mwilson | artistagent: Uh, huh. Yeah. Right. Sure. |
| 03:18.29 | deadcat | black13: what the f? sux is sux |
| 03:18.43 | footballstud91 | jetx: o |
| 03:18.48 | coywolf | jim, dpkg, aptitude |
| 03:18.51 | footballstud91 | jetx: ooooo this will take days |
| 03:18.56 | footballstud91 | jetx: i have dialup |
| 03:18.59 | footballstud91 | :( |
| 03:19.00 | mwilson | gravity: Do tell. I've yet to see any benefits to the *user* detailed. |
| 03:19.02 | jim | coywolf: you don't have control over that |
| 03:19.05 | artistagent | why waste perfectly good space on a hd that can be utilized for the goals of the user rather than the goals of commercial congolmerates |
| 03:19.27 | mwilson | gravity: Unless the random versioning of libraries that's sure to happen is a benefit to cluebies. |
| 03:19.30 | gravity | mwilson: The modular tree will uncouple things like driver updates from everything else. So when you need a driver update you don't have to download, say... xspecs |
| 03:19.32 | baroni | jim: cat /etc/resolv.conf: search virtual.com.br \n nameserver 201.6.0.100 \n ... (others nameservers) |
| 03:19.39 | mdh | mwilson: my shell server doesn't have to depend on all 3 gigabytes or whatever) of X11 just so it can run sshd |
| 03:19.39 | baroni | jim: should be this? |
| 03:19.50 | gravity | mwilson: Which also saves me time in getting it out to people, and prevents X from clogging up the buildds |
| 03:20.15 | jim | baroni: when you boot and ntp is started, can 201.6.0.100 be reached by that machine? |
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| 03:20.34 | MobyTurbo | footballstud91: the netinst iso is only a bit over 100M, I downloaded it over dial-up, it takes a while but not more than a large portion of one day. |
| 03:20.55 | mwilson | mdh: What part of X does openssh-server depend on at the moment? |
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| 03:21.06 | footballstud91 | MobyTurbo: o |
| 03:21.10 | baroni | jim: yeah |
| 03:21.12 | mwilson | mdh: Be specific, please. |
| 03:21.15 | jim | baroni: btw, the ip address you supplied -does- have a running nameserver. good. |
| 03:21.45 | unsigned | hi, since 3 or 4 days, my box doesn't want to install some package (it's a sid) : like the last gaim or amule for instance |
| 03:21.48 | jetx | you can also get the busnesscard image, it's only 50 megs or so.. the net is like 115 i 'think' |
| 03:21.59 | mwilson | unsigned: Yes, so? |
| 03:21.59 | jim | mwilson: there are cases where a machine only needs a server; all clients are to be run on other machines. |
| 03:22.03 | jetx | unsigned: isn't sid wonderful? |
| 03:22.14 | unsigned | jetx, mwilson : yep ;) |
| 03:22.25 | unsigned | in fact, i just want to know if it's mine or if it's normal |
| 03:22.31 | mwilson | jim: Yes, I *do* in fact have a brain, and *do* in fact know this. How is that an answer to the question I asked him? |
| 03:22.39 | unsigned | can you upgrade to the latest gaim package for example ? |
| 03:22.46 | baroni | jim: but i don't know what can being happening |
| 03:22.55 | unsigned | "depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60)" |
| 03:22.58 | mwilson | unsigned: Since you don't know how to manage unstable, why are you running unstable? |
| 03:22.59 | unsigned | which cannot be installed |
| 03:23.19 | baroni | btw, i'm doing some tests now, how should I have installed? the nfs-user-server or the nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 03:23.22 | unsigned | mwilson: i know how to manage it, but i just want u to confirm, or not, these facts |
| 03:23.30 | jim | mwilson: if x were one package, you'd be forced to install all clients (well maybe all base-level clients), all servers, all client libs, all server libs (again, base level) |
| 03:23.30 | unsigned | need just a hand on this |
| 03:23.36 | mwilson | unsigned: In other words, you have no idea how to manage unstable. |
| 03:23.43 | baroni | the nfs-user-server takes too long time |
| 03:23.51 | baroni | (in the initialisation) |
| 03:24.03 | unsigned | mwilson: i do, could u confirm me that libaspell15c2 isn't available, please |
| 03:24.09 | unsigned | or not |
| 03:24.16 | baroni | but the nfs-kernel-servers starts quick |
| 03:24.34 | jim | unsigned: in general, sid can be as unstable as you can imagine... or sorta working... or anything inbetween... |
| 03:24.41 | mwilson | unsigned: Why would you need me to confirm it? If you know how to manage unstable, you know where the authoritative list of packages included in it can be found, with handy search engine already attached. |
| 03:25.05 | jim | unsigned: you can't expect someone to know at any instant what all packages in sid are or are not installable |
| 03:25.24 | mwilson | jim: I did not say that X should be a single package. I said that whoever thought it should be broken into all these jigsaw puzzle pieces should be shot. |
| 03:25.26 | jim | unsigned: the fact is that sid is a mess at the moment |
| 03:25.28 | baroni | no, the nsf-commom takes to time too |
| 03:25.36 | Nurbs | sid seems to work comparatively fine, but I assume quite some breakage during further g++ 4 transition every now and then... x.org went in quite well... |
| 03:25.40 | unsigned | jim: i never had these kinds of problems beforce, they were corrected in one or 2 days, but not thus time |
| 03:25.59 | jim | unsigned: there's a first time for everything |
| 03:26.11 | artistagent | mwilson i dont think you really have any place to be putting down other users for needing a little assistance. no x is not a system for dummies, Yes you do have to put it together yourself, but thats why people use what we like to call "coding" |
| 03:26.12 | black13 | why are ther some many packages for xorg? |
| 03:26.15 | jim | unless you're not ever around or aware to experience it :) |
| 03:26.20 | unsigned | yep, i just see 2 breakage on libaspell15c2 and libwxgtk2.4 |
| 03:26.36 | mwilson | Actually, when I finally allow xorg to install, I'll be interested to see whether the libfreetype6 brokenness is still there in xterm. |
| 03:26.42 | artistagent | to create a unique interface, program or Operating System |
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| 03:26.59 | artistagent | that meets their needs to a "T" |
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| 03:27.17 | mwilson | Since someone just added to the bug report some information about xchat as well, I imagine it is. |
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| 03:28.39 | mwilson | fsck... I'm gonna have to put a tonne of stuff on hold. |
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| 03:29.09 | jetx | i think i found libaspell15 and one or 3 others did the trick |
| 03:29.11 | jetx | not sure |
| 03:29.18 | baroni | The nfs-*(kernel-server, client-server) is spending too long to start here... Any ideia is very welcome for everybody |
| 03:29.40 | baroni | (and it does not start nothing!!) |
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| 03:30.03 | baroni | (ps auxw | grep -i nfs gives nothing about nfs |
| 03:30.06 | Nurbs | broken DNS? don't know these symptoms... |
| 03:30.08 | jim | baroni: have you verified that your network is functional at the point in time that these nfs things are about to start? |
| 03:30.13 | mwilson | jetx: Nah, that's not what I mean... xorg won't install unless I dist-upgrade, and a dist-upgrade is going to install other things (and remove other things) that I'd rather it didn't. So I have to put things on hold. |
| 03:30.36 | baroni | jim: have you some tests suggests that i can do here ? |
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| 03:30.40 | jim | what are you doing with nfs? maybe that's the problem |
| 03:30.41 | jetx | ahh |
| 03:30.49 | Nurbs | baroni: it won't give anything even if it works |
| 03:31.00 | Nurbs | baroni: s/give/return/ |
| 03:31.04 | mwilson | jetx: Fortunately I'm not using aptitude. |
| 03:31.24 | jim | baroni: try putting "fping -n 1 yahoo.com" at the start of the first script |
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| 03:31.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What's that program that shows the date and processes on the desktop |
| 03:31.32 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 03:31.40 | Nurbs | mwilson: and apt-get install doesn't work? |
| 03:31.47 | jim | and installing fping to |
| 03:31.48 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Which one? There must be a thousand of them or so. |
| 03:31.49 | jim | o |
| 03:32.01 | mwilson | Nurbs: apt-get install <what> ? |
| 03:32.07 | baroni | jim: 0.0.0.1 error while sending ping: Invalid argument |
| 03:32.16 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: I dont know.. the one for fluxbox... he told me to sell it? |
| 03:32.21 | mwilson | Nurbs: Huh? What does xorg have to do with it? |
| 03:32.34 | baroni | jim: yahoo.com is alive, 0.0.0.1 is unreachable |
| 03:32.47 | jim | baroni: what is 0.0.0.1?? |
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| 03:32.53 | Nurbs | mwilson: "xorg won't install unless I dist-upgrade" that? |
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| 03:33.01 | artistagent | Twisted emotions are you talking about top? |
| 03:33.08 | baroni | jim: the answer of the command 'fping -n 1 yahoo.com' |
| 03:33.22 | jim | oic, it's not -n |
| 03:33.22 | mwilson | Nurbs: It won't. It's holding back xdm and xserver-common, among other things. |
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| 03:33.32 | baroni | 0.0.0.1 error while sending ping: Invalid argument \n yahoo.com is alive \n 0.0.0.1 is unreachable |
| 03:33.35 | TwistedEmotions | artistagent: no.. it's not a command... it's a gui thing.. shows processes on desktop background |
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| 03:34.06 | Nurbs | mwilson: and I guess you know why it's holding them back... |
| 03:34.08 | mwilson | Nurbs: dist-upgrade is no big deal, but I'm not interested in dealing with the aspell transition or the unixodbc breakage right now, and a dist-upgrade is going to break both of those. |
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| 03:34.43 | yoh | Hi Brothers in weekend entertainment! Question: is there a package for unstable which fetches debian security advisories and based on affected packages, upgrades only the,, not the whole system... is there such? |
| 03:34.48 | Nurbs | mwilson: I didn't dist-upgrade either because of the aspell transition, but upgrading xserver-xorg alone went fine (and removing all xfree packages) |
| 03:34.56 | mwilson | Nurbs: Therefore I will actually *manage* my box, rather than blindly upgrade it like most people do, and ensure that the package state stays the way I want it to be. |
| 03:35.03 | jim | fping -c 1 yahoo.com |
| 03:35.16 | jim | and YOU PUT THIS IN THE SCRIPT that you are testing. |
| 03:35.39 | MobyTurbo | yoh: try apt-listbugs |
| 03:35.42 | jim | OF COURSE your net is working fully NOW |
| 03:35.58 | Nurbs | mwilson: my point is just: dist-upgrade isn't necessary to get xserver-xorg, but I guess you know that. |
| 03:36.10 | mwilson | Nurbs: I've also not the slightest interest in allowing the craptastic xprint to install, so I can't simply use the x-window-system target. |
| 03:36.16 | Nurbs | heh |
| 03:36.35 | Nurbs | a bit more than install xserver-org worked fine here |
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| 03:36.46 | yoh | MobyTurbo, I have it installed... didn't know that it can do such a thing - let me double check |
| 03:36.49 | ForrestF | how do i disable DMA |
| 03:36.58 | ForrestF | for my HD and my CD-rom |
| 03:37.03 | Nurbs | ... without removing anything but xserver-xfree86 itself (and a few related, but now obsolete, packages) |
| 03:37.06 | jim | man hdparm |
| 03:37.09 | MobyTurbo | yoh: it can't do *everything* you asked for. |
| 03:37.27 | nevyn | mwilson: forbid. |
| 03:37.29 | jim | and you should know what you're doing here, you're messing with things that are very low level |
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| 03:37.42 | jetx | hdparm can be dangerous though, be careful |
| 03:37.50 | mwilson | nevyn: Yeah, Forbid would be cool. |
| 03:37.51 | jim | what jetx said. |
| 03:37.52 | nevyn | mwilson: aptitude has "forbidden" which is NEVER EVER install this version. |
| 03:37.54 | ForrestF | how do i disable DMA |
| 03:37.56 | jetx | what jim said |
| 03:37.57 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: you could make it think the package is already installed, I forgot what the program is called. |
| 03:38.01 | jetx | we just told you |
| 03:38.03 | nevyn | mwilson: but install the version after that. |
| 03:38.15 | mwilson | nevyn: Yes, but aptitude is crap and isn't allowed to touch any box I control. |
| 03:38.18 | yoh | MobyTurbo, but I'm asking for 1 only thing: list packages which are known to be reported in debian-security and which weren't upgraded to the fixed versions |
| 03:38.24 | Nurbs | MobyTurbo: but that'd satisfy dependencies, which is bad |
| 03:38.57 | jetx | i uninstall aptitude first thing, along with the initial update |
| 03:39.10 | mwilson | nevyn: *Certainly* not any box running unstable. |
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| 03:39.51 | jim | ForrestF: man hdparm , and learn about hardware... exercise due caution. good luck, jim. this irc channel will self-destruct in two seconds. |
| 03:39.52 | nevyn | mwilson: wfm |
| 03:40.10 | nevyn | well as much as anything copes with a abi transition |
| 03:40.18 | mwilson | nevyn: Read aptitude's bug list, then tell me I'm a moron. |
| 03:40.20 | tractor | Hey Wyzard - I finally got X working .. I used the Xorg package and xserver-xorg with vesa video card driver and it's looking good. The s3 driver didn't work at all. |
| 03:40.25 | ForrestF | jim: see DMA is timeing out |
| 03:40.40 | ForrestF | it frezes up |
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| 03:41.20 | jim | then maybe dma should be disabled... but you might want to exercise caution about when you do it |
| 03:41.44 | jim | for example it might be better to do it when NOTHING is mounted from the hd |
| 03:42.36 | jetx | ForrestF: sometimes you can also disable dma in the bios |
| 03:42.44 | jim | (now think, how could you accomplish that?) |
| 03:42.45 | jetx | depending on the bios |
| 03:43.12 | nevyn | mwilson: you could make a similar argument for dpkg ;) |
| 03:43.13 | jetx | you can d/l tools from the hd manuf. wd has em. |
| 03:43.25 | jetx | for wd hd's. |
| 03:43.46 | mwilson | nevyn: dpkg does exactly what it's told, and no more. aptitude is indeterminate... given the same package state, it doesn't always do the same thing. |
| 03:44.03 | nevyn | mwilson: ok. fair enough |
| 03:44.11 | ForrestF | jetz: its a bigfoot |
| 03:44.21 | ForrestF | jetx: its a bigfoot |
| 03:45.08 | jetx | ForrestF: means nothing to me, but strikes a chord. |
| 03:45.19 | jetx | go to whoever made it's website |
| 03:45.35 | ForrestF | its a Qutuim |
| 03:45.52 | jetx | quantum |
| 03:45.52 | ForrestF | ^^bery misspelled |
| 03:45.56 | ForrestF | yes |
| 03:46.04 | jetx | ok go to quantum's site |
| 03:46.04 | ForrestF | a quantum BigFoot |
| 03:46.10 | mwilson | nevyn: I haven't allowed the apt transition on any box I control yet, either. |
| 03:46.15 | ForrestF | its a 5in hd |
| 03:46.28 | mwilson | nevyn: I really don't have time to deal with the resultant breakage. |
| 03:46.33 | jetx | go see what tools quantum has for you |
| 03:47.26 | ForrestF | its too old |
| 03:47.31 | ForrestF | its from 1991 |
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| 03:47.42 | mwilson | nevyn: Fortunately I no longer have any testing boxen and only three unstable boxen. |
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| 03:48.10 | coywolf | how to change xterm's icon? |
| 03:48.24 | mwilson | coywolf: Recompile it. |
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| 03:49.07 | alekzandr | i am going to have a problem upgrading the kernel on a colocated machine i have no physical access to? |
| 03:49.42 | ForrestF | the BIGFOOTs Dont have DMA |
| 03:49.43 | mwilson | alekzandr: You are? |
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| 03:50.56 | mwilson | Sometimes I don't understand maintainers... whyinhell does gaim have a Suggests on evolution-data-server? |
| 03:51.13 | alekzandr | hmm, i think the order of the first two words is wrong, should be "will i" |
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| 03:54.20 | Harley^ | howdy |
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| 03:54.56 | tresloukadu | is possible to hide the name "debian linux and version"??? When somebody execute nmap it shows false informations... |
| 03:55.16 | Harley^ | When I want to delete a ROUTE I typed /sbin/route del 192.168.19.1 and get an error |
| 03:55.25 | tresloukadu | How can I hide?? |
| 03:55.27 | Harley^ | How do I delete a route > |
| 03:55.29 | Harley^ | ? |
| 03:55.46 | Seb | Harley^: you didn't read the man page |
| 03:55.56 | Harley^ | I did |
| 03:55.59 | Harley^ | It says |
| 03:56.04 | mwilson | Ah, crap... now I need to rebuild xv again |
| 03:56.20 | Seb | mwilson: "rebuild" "debian" ? |
| 03:56.34 | mwilson | Seb: Excuse me? |
| 03:56.51 | Seb | mwilson: you want to *build* something on Debian ? :) |
| 03:57.07 | mwilson | Seb: In case you hadn't noticed, there are no Debian packages for xv |
| 03:57.39 | Seb | mwilson: i hadn't noticed. Not even in non-free ? |
| 03:57.45 | mwilson | No. |
| 03:58.10 | mwilson | I have to admit, I wonder if it even builds with gcc 4.x |
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| 03:58.42 | Harley^ | God damnt |
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| 04:03.41 | earthsick | How do I get fortune to recognize user created fortune files that aren't in /usr/share/games/fortune/ ? |
| 04:03.43 | n3x_ | Does anoyone know how to get the drivers.tgz file onto a PC when netbooting debian |
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| 04:04.52 | earthsick | I created the .dat file using strfile, but I don't have root access |
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| 04:05.47 | black13 | its been a crummy day |
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| 04:07.28 | mwilson | n3x_: Does anyone know why you'd need to? |
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| 04:07.54 | n3x_ | mwilson: to load drivers maybe? |
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| 04:08.13 | abydos | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main libxaw7 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 04:08.16 | abydos | that is a problem. |
| 04:08.24 | mwilson | abydos: Why is it a problem? |
| 04:08.25 | abydos | I've run apt-get update like moments ago |
| 04:08.37 | mwilson | abydos: So use another mirror. |
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| 04:09.06 | abydos | mwilson: ehh, too lazy. I just got done being royally ticked about a kernel upgrade |
| 04:10.17 | abydos | to 2.6.12, it was completely stalling a system upgrade |
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| 04:14.29 | Dee | wassup room? |
| 04:14.32 | Dee | anyone from fl here? |
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| 04:16.39 | Dee | arg! |
| 04:16.56 | Dee | I hate room acing like this, 712 people here, no 1 talking |
| 04:16.57 | Dee | just joining |
| 04:17.25 | mwilson | Dee: I'm afraid no one speaks Moron here. |
| 04:17.30 | Dee | i came here b cuz i thought it would be a linux friendly chatting community |
| 04:17.37 | Dee | fuck u |
| 04:17.40 | Phated | Oh, this should be good. |
| 04:17.42 | mwilson | Dee: So I'm afraid you'll actually have to learn how to spell. |
| 04:18.09 | gravity | Dee: We're mainly a support channel really |
| 04:18.14 | mwilson | Dee: Rather than use text-message-speak. |
| 04:18.29 | Dee | wait, what did i spell wrong? |
| 04:18.38 | gravity | Dee: And because we have a large international community, we try and speak as clearly as possible, without abbreviations. |
| 04:18.57 | Phated | gravity: You may need to type slower for him to properly understand you. |
| 04:19.26 | tresloukadu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:20.59 | tresloukadu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:22.03 | n3x_ | tresloukadu: yes |
| 04:22.21 | n3x_ | simply dont have nmap |
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| 04:23.09 | tresloukadu | I want to hide de version of my server |
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| 04:24.04 | Dee | ah |
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| 04:24.50 | rares000 | how do I get virtualmin to create virtual servers for proftpd based on domain names |
| 04:25.09 | tresloukadu | to change (for example) "debian linux" to "freeBSD" |
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| 04:26.15 | BibTeX | I have dvd problems |
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| 04:26.46 | BibTeX | does anyone know how to mount, read, play dvds... see dvds? |
| 04:27.45 | silensius | after a sarge net-install i have add 3.4.1 kde repository and do a dist-upgrade it seems work good but i have two trash bin on my desktop how can erase it or move it ? |
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| 04:28.17 | rares000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.17 | rares000 | I keep getting that error |
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| 04:33.21 | narg | I partitioned my usb flash drive into 2 partitions of fat16 (so I can make it a liveusb :p), and now it says its a read only file system, even though its mount rw, and its not. Am I doing something worng? |
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| 04:34.24 | tictac | narg: does your flash drive have a write protect switch on it? |
| 04:34.41 | narg | Yes, but its not on. |
| 04:34.53 | narg | I havnt touched it since I formatted it. |
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| 04:35.13 | wishie | when i type 'ls *.jpg' it gives me an error. i cant see how that command is invalid |
| 04:35.24 | ke6isf | wishie: What kind of error? |
| 04:35.27 | Phated | What error? |
| 04:35.30 | karsten | What's apt's attention character? |
| 04:35.31 | wishie | ls: invalid option -- - |
| 04:35.52 | Phated | Wow. |
| 04:35.53 | karsten | wishie: Do you have filenames with spaces and dashes in them? |
| 04:35.55 | ke6isf | wishie: There's a file with a - at the beginning, likely. |
| 04:35.58 | Phated | karsten: ~ |
| 04:36.03 | karsten | Phated: Danke. |
| 04:36.04 | wishie | might have -'s at the start yeah |
| 04:36.08 | wishie | how can i get around that ? |
| 04:36.08 | karsten | ~seen dondelelcaro |
| 04:36.08 | apt | dondelelcaro is currently on #debian #debian-bots. Has said a total of 161 messages. Is idling for 22h 20m 30s |
| 04:36.19 | ke6isf | wishie: What happens if you just do 'ls'? |
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| 04:36.22 | wishie | ls -- *.jpg ? |
| 04:36.26 | karsten | wishie: Quote the args. |
| 04:36.36 | karsten | wishie: That too. '--' kills any further args. |
| 04:36.37 | wishie | ls -- *.jpg seems to work |
| 04:36.42 | wishie | nice, ok, thanks |
| 04:36.48 | wishie | i was stumped there for a second |
| 04:36.48 | karsten | wishie: ... but may break if you've got spaced filenames. |
| 04:36.57 | silensius | after a sarge net-install i have add 3.4.1 kde repository and do a dist-upgrade it seems work good but i have two trash bin on my desktop how can erase it or move it ? |
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| 04:37.11 | karsten | silensius: Drag them into the trash ;-) |
| 04:37.14 | Phated | The lesson, kiddies, is that spaces in filenames are evil! ;) |
| 04:37.24 | silensius | doesn't work ;) |
| 04:37.26 | deepan | what is the demon that listens at port 23 for telnet from other machines |
| 04:37.33 | ke6isf | Phated: Bah, that's what the \ is for. |
| 04:37.35 | Phated | deepan: telnetd |
| 04:37.36 | karsten | deepan: grep ^23 /etc/services |
| 04:37.40 | tictac | Failed to download files (151 errors)! :| |
| 04:37.42 | Phated | ke6isf: Ew, gross. |
| 04:38.02 | karsten | deepan: Um. '23/tcp'. Anyway, telnet. |
| 04:38.20 | deepan | i dont see telnetd in services? karsten |
| 04:38.31 | ke6isf | deepan: You won't see telnetd, you'll see telnet |
| 04:38.45 | karsten | deepan: ^^ ke6isf |
| 04:38.48 | deepan | no even telnet i dont see in services |
| 04:38.58 | Phated | apt-get install telnetd? |
| 04:39.09 | ke6isf | deepan: Even then, why telnet? It's insecure. |
| 04:39.12 | karsten | deepan: netstat -lv |
| 04:39.13 | Phated | Yeh. |
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| 04:39.32 | karsten | deepan: You're saying the service *is* listening, or you _want_ it there? |
| 04:39.38 | karsten | deepan: Nuke telnetd. Use ssh. |
| 04:39.42 | Phated | I think he wants it there. |
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| 04:40.48 | karsten | Phated: There's no accounting for taste. |
| 04:40.52 | deepan | redhat-> services.. the gui . does not list telnet karsten |
| 04:40.57 | Phated | karsten: touche. |
| 04:41.05 | Phated | ... RED HAT? |
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| 04:41.14 | ke6isf | deepan: Redhat? Are you not using Debian? |
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| 04:41.23 | karsten | deepan: Um. What distro are you running? |
| 04:41.25 | deepan | i mean the pull up menu.. |
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| 04:41.37 | Phated | What. Distro? |
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| 04:41.46 | deepan | i use both debian and fedora.. |
| 04:41.51 | deepan | now i am in fedora |
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| 04:41.56 | ke6isf | !redhatsmite deepan |
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| 04:42.06 | karsten | deepan: /join #fedora |
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| 04:42.11 | Phated | deepan: Then asl #fedora aout your fedora issues. |
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| 04:42.13 | KarlosII | is gaim dependancies still broken, when I try to install libaspell15c2 to satisfy a gaim dependance it trys to remove about 100 packages, any idea why or if there is a solution? |
| 04:42.25 | masoft | deepan, I recommend restart and come with Debian :P |
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| 04:42.32 | Phated | Ark. |
| 04:42.36 | Phated | s/asl/ask/ |
| 04:42.41 | ke6isf | masoft: Indeed. |
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| 04:43.01 | ke6isf | It's always September somewhere out there. |
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| 04:43.27 | Phated | And with that, we recommence Surreal Sessions - Your One Stop On IRC For Random Statements. |
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| 04:44.07 | daxxar_ | Hm. Can I get the kernel to reread the partitiontable on a software-raid disk? |
| 04:44.19 | chealer | KarlosII: which gaim dependency breakage? |
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| 04:46.49 | Phated | marillat? |
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| 04:51.09 | mombof | ah there's nothing quite like locking out your own ip from a server makes for a great start |
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| 04:56.18 | TNKS | hi all. I have a system with udev and hotplug. A lot of kernel modules are loading (without any help from /etc/modules). I was hoping to curb the loading of some of the stuff I don't really need. I tried unloading hotplug, but that was linked through a dependancy to udev (which I actually kind of fancy). Any pointers? |
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| 04:56.27 | black13 | hey chealer |
| 04:56.49 | dak | recompile your kernel to get rid of udev |
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| 04:57.03 | gravity | uh... no |
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| 04:57.31 | gravity | TNKS: hotplug can be configured to not load modules. Google hotplug blacklist |
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| 04:57.41 | dak | guess not, i never used udev so |
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| 04:57.55 | gravity | udev is just a program |
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| 04:58.36 | mwilson | Why do you care if the module loads? |
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| 04:58.56 | mwilson | Not that udev isn't just crap, but what difference does it make if a module loads or not? |
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| 04:59.12 | daxxar_ | uh. |
| 04:59.27 | daxxar_ | Why isn't the partitions on my raid-1 device showing up in /dev? |
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| 04:59.41 | daxxar_ | I've even rebooted, because cfdisk gave me an error on updating partition table |
| 05:00.11 | TNKS | gravity, thanks. . . I'll check it out. . . |
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| 05:00.15 | mwilson | daxxar_: Why would they? |
| 05:00.31 | daxxar_ | Where do I find the block-devices representing them if not? |
| 05:00.49 | mwilson | Why would you think you needed to partition a RAID1 device? |
| 05:01.07 | exobyte | I have a script. How can I get a list of all the files it uses when run? |
| 05:01.28 | daxxar_ | mwilson, huh? |
| 05:01.44 | mwilson | daxxar_: It's a simple question. |
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| 05:02.48 | daxxar_ | Because I have one raid-1 device (built from two disks), and I wanted to make two partitions on it? |
| 05:03.10 | daxxar_ | Are you saying I should make two raid devices instead+ |
| 05:03.18 | daxxar_ | And make them out of partitions on the original disks? |
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| 05:03.53 | daxxar_ | Like /dev/hdb1 + /dev/hdc1 -> /dev/md0, /dev/hdb2 + /dev/hdc2 -> /dev/md1? |
| 05:04.54 | mwilson | I didn't say you should make any RAID devices at all. |
| 05:05.13 | mwilson | I asked you why you thought you should partition a RAID device. |
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| 05:05.47 | daxxar_ | Because I want to put one of them into dm-crypt, and the other one just as a plain partition with ext3. |
| 05:05.47 | mwilson | I don't know why you'd think that partitioning a RAID device would even work. |
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| 05:07.02 | stumbles | hi! was wondering where gdm stores a user's window manager preferences |
| 05:07.17 | bsims | stumbles: a dot file in /home |
| 05:08.16 | daxxar | Meh. Seems it's not possible. |
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| 05:08.56 | daxxar | Would you recommend putting LVM on the RAID-1, or making two raid-devices? |
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| 05:09.25 | mombof | daxxar, i would partion the raid after its a raid |
| 05:10.05 | daxxar | You can't. |
| 05:10.25 | daxxar | There have been various patches to the kernel which would allow partitioning of RAID devices, but none of them have (as of this writing) made it into the kernel. In short; it is not currently possible to partition a RAID device - but luckily there is another solution to this problem. |
| 05:10.32 | daxxar | Quote http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 05:12.01 | mwilson | gdm doesn't store a user's window manager preferences |
| 05:12.10 | mwilson | What gave you the idea that it did? |
| 05:12.21 | daxxar | mwilson, what do you suggest? |
| 05:12.27 | mwilson | Gdm remembers the last session file you told it to use, that's all. |
| 05:12.40 | mwilson | What that session file does or does not do, gdm has no idea. |
| 05:12.45 | bsims | daxxar: look for a folder named .gnome or something |
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| 05:12.53 | KarlosII | chealer: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:12.53 | KarlosII | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.53 | KarlosII | E: Broken packages |
| 05:12.53 | mwilson | daxxar: I don't suggest anything. |
| 05:13.02 | daxxar | bsims, ? |
| 05:13.11 | daxxar | mwilson, heh. |
| 05:13.13 | mwilson | KarlosII: Yes, welcome to unstable. |
| 05:13.32 | william | hey is the unstable tree really broken at this point |
| 05:13.37 | KarlosII | mwilson, okay so it's being worked on |
| 05:13.40 | bsims | daxxar: you use gnome as your windowmanager correct? |
| 05:13.41 | william | forgive me im in iraq |
| 05:13.43 | gravity | william: Parts of it are |
| 05:13.44 | william | and cant keep up |
| 05:13.45 | mwilson | KarlosII: It is? |
| 05:13.54 | william | ok thanks |
| 05:13.56 | daxxar | bsims, you're totally talking to the wrong person. :) |
| 05:14.06 | william | is there anywhere where i can keep track of its progress? |
| 05:14.10 | KarlosII | mwilson, I was just making assumptions based on your comments |
| 05:14.12 | william | or do i just keep updating? |
| 05:14.18 | bsims | daxxar: sorry |
| 05:14.20 | mwilson | Ah, more clueless unstable users. |
| 05:14.41 | KarlosII | mwilson, and trying to cull more information |
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| 05:14.45 | bsims | william: check debian-users and google for ABI change debian |
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| 05:14.55 | william | i have been using unstable for years |
| 05:14.55 | mwilson | bsims: Now you're expecting them to read. |
| 05:15.02 | william | ok thanks man |
| 05:15.05 | KarlosII | mwilson, but considering our history I consider your comments always antagonistic |
| 05:15.10 | william | you all have a good day |
| 05:15.10 | bsims | mwilson: yeah I know evil person that I am |
| 05:15.13 | william | cyal |
| 05:15.23 | KarlosII | chealer, |
| 05:15.30 | bsims | william: best ETA from -devel is about a month for the abi transition to be complete |
| 05:15.35 | daxxar | So, is there any blatant problems with running LVM on a single RAID-1 drive (just for partitioning) |
| 05:15.39 | mwilson | Apparently being clueless is a requirement for using unstable. I have a clue, so I should be using testing or something. |
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| 05:15.47 | daxxar | Except for another layer of abstraction. |
| 05:15.52 | william | hey thanks a lot |
| 05:15.57 | william | and if there are any developers here |
| 05:16.05 | bsims | mwilson: unless you intend to send bugreports like I do |
| 05:16.07 | william | thanks for such a great distro/os |
| 05:16.15 | bsims | william: thanks for yer service |
| 05:16.22 | TNKS | just curious. . . without discover installed, what knows to install the fglrx module that I compiled? |
| 05:16.23 | mwilson | bsims: I always send bug reports when things bite me. |
| 05:16.34 | william | ya welcome |
| 05:16.35 | william | cyall |
| 05:16.44 | mwilson | KarlosII: But of course you'd never actually look in the BTS or anything. |
| 05:16.47 | TNKS | I didn't see any mention of fglrx in hotplug. |
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| 05:16.51 | KarlosII | I want to know if anyone else experiencing this issue |
| 05:16.57 | black13 | is chealer still here |
| 05:17.00 | stumbles | bsims: i've tried "find ~ -name *gdm*" but can't seem to turn up anything |
| 05:17.05 | gravity | TNKS: Nothing knows |
| 05:17.11 | gravity | TNKS: You have to load that yourself |
| 05:17.12 | mwilson | KarlosII: Certainly the BTS wouldn't have any information about other people having the same problem. |
| 05:17.30 | KarlosII | mwilson, just because it's not in BTS don't mean other are not experiencing it, do you expect everyone to be as diligent as you and not be lazy |
| 05:17.31 | TNKS | gravity, that's what I would have thought. . . but something on my system appears to be smart. |
| 05:17.32 | bsims | stumbles: look in /home/your_user_name/.gnome or .gnome2 |
| 05:17.50 | gravity | TNKS: grep for it in /etc |
| 05:17.52 | mwilson | KarlosII: But you have no idea whether it's in the BTS or not. |
| 05:17.59 | KarlosII | it's NOT |
| 05:18.13 | KarlosII | or I used the wrong search criteria |
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| 05:19.03 | mwilson | KarlosII: Really. I guess 317743 is a figment of everyone's imagination. |
| 05:19.09 | theeil | lilo problem: i installed lilo on the boot sector of my second hard drive and get the "L 99 99 99 99...." error message, but ti is a fresh install. when i try grub, it does not gives me the shell thing and that will not mount the filesystem for /boot |
| 05:19.12 | TNKS | gravity, it's only referenced in XF86Config-4. |
| 05:19.23 | gravity | TNKS: Well, that sounds about right |
| 05:19.27 | KarlosII | mwilson, huh, heads over to that bug |
| 05:19.31 | gravity | TNKS: X will load the necessary kernel modules for you |
| 05:19.54 | stumbles | bsims: i don't know what files to start looking at, theres so many |
| 05:19.59 | TNKS | interesting. . . there's a lot of stuff loading kernel modules these days. |
| 05:20.08 | mwilson | KarlosII: As well as 317709. |
| 05:20.14 | bsims | stumbles: what exactly are you trying to do again |
| 05:20.30 | mwilson | KarlosII: Nah, I bet I invented those bugs on the spot and somehow inserted them into the database. |
| 05:21.05 | mwilson | KarlosII: It's not a bad thing to not look, it's a really bad thing to lie about having looked. |
| 05:21.15 | stumbles | bsims: find the per user configuration of gdm - the default window manager |
| 05:21.35 | mwilson | stumbles: Gdm doesn't have a configuration for that. |
| 05:21.45 | mwilson | stumbles: Gdm merely remembers the last session file you used. |
| 05:21.46 | stumbles | bsims: where is it stored? |
| 05:22.03 | mwilson | stumbles: What that session file does or does not do, gdm neither knows nor cares. |
| 05:22.03 | cadu | OT: hey, can XINE open DVDs in ISO ? or how do i do it by loopmounting ? xine just asks for _device_ for dvd on its configuration, o_O, TIA |
| 05:22.10 | bsims | Its a window manager, it doesn't HAVE a per user configuration |
| 05:22.28 | bsims | stumbles: as to where it keeps its configuration look in /etc |
| 05:22.48 | stumbles | bsims: where is this session file stored? |
| 05:22.49 | KarlosII | mwilson, grr I did look, of course u'll say I didn't and using the worng search criteria is just an excuse. |
| 05:22.49 | masoft | cadu, mount -o loop /root/file.iso /mnt/device |
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| 05:23.13 | KarlosII | cadu, hmm |
| 05:23.20 | mwilson | KarlosII: I have no idea why you think you need some sort of search criteria, when gaim's bug list is plainly visible. |
| 05:23.53 | cadu | masoft: but then how do i open the dvd from that folder? ive already done it but xine just asks for DVD "device" ...no "Open DVD path" thing... |
| 05:23.54 | dabaR | dpkg down again? |
| 05:24.09 | mwilson | "Gee, I have a problem with gaim. I wonder if anyone else is? I bet if I look at the bug list for gaim, I'll find out." |
| 05:24.41 | gravity | It's not even a gaim bug. It's an aspell bug |
| 05:24.46 | KarlosII | mwilson, I don't rely on debian bts, I use google |
| 05:24.48 | gravity | But everyone finds it in gaim |
| 05:24.52 | masoft | cadu, dvd:/0 for example ! |
| 05:25.11 | KarlosII | gravity, which is why I looked in aspell |
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| 05:25.38 | masoft | cadu, I recommend to open the files manually ! |
| 05:25.46 | gravity | KarlosII: I see them there |
| 05:25.50 | gravity | KarlosII: They're all pending upload |
| 05:25.51 | bsims | cadu: use mplayer, ya can do mplayer /path/to/file.iso |
| 05:26.06 | mwilson | gravity: It's referenced twice in gai's bug page, and at least twice in aspell's bug page that I've seen so far. |
| 05:26.34 | dabaR | !msg the bot |
| 05:26.42 | dabaR | ok, well, it is donw. |
| 05:26.52 | gravity | mwilson: Yeah, I think the gaim bugs are there to placate people |
| 05:26.52 | KarlosII | gravity, pending upload to unstable? or experimental? |
| 05:26.53 | masoft | cadu, you can just click on your .vob file in Gnome and watch them in Totem |
| 05:27.00 | gravity | KarlosII: unstable |
| 05:27.10 | gravity | KarlosII: The ftp-master move has prevented that for the time being |
| 05:27.13 | KarlosII | anyhow |
| 05:27.18 | mwilson | KarlosII: "I don't rely on Debian BTS, I use Google"... ah, so despite claiming to have looked in the BTS, you now admit that you had not. |
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| 05:27.24 | gravity | I assume it'll be uploaded asap though |
| 05:27.41 | cadu | bsims: it doesn't support menus :'( wäwäwäwäää |
| 05:28.09 | mwilson | gravity: gaim is already installable. |
| 05:28.15 | mwilson | rei $ sudo apt-get install gaim |
| 05:28.18 | bsims | cadu: true but dvd://1 skips all teh damned fedgov warnings |
| 05:28.18 | mwilson | gaim is already the newest version. |
| 05:28.20 | gravity | mwilson: Well, it breaks a lot of other stuff to do so |
| 05:28.37 | gravity | Which is why it's an aspell bug and not a gaim bug |
| 05:28.45 | mwilson | Nah, not so much. I was surprised at how little actually had a problem. |
| 05:28.45 | gravity | (partially) |
| 05:28.52 | gravity | Dude. kdelibs |
| 05:28.56 | gravity | That's pretty huge. |
| 05:28.56 | KarlosII | mwilson: lemme see "site:http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ libaspell" in the search engine |
| 05:29.16 | KarlosII | heh |
| 05:29.35 | lawnchair | HIT IT |
| 05:29.45 | mwilson | gravity: Can't say as I give the slightest damn about KDE being broken. |
| 05:30.00 | mwilson | I don't know how you'd tell the difference. |
| 05:30.49 | cadu | bsims: thanks, but it's an iso :( |
| 05:30.51 | cadu | geez |
| 05:31.20 | bsims | cadu: mplayer plays iso files. |
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| 05:32.00 | gravity | mwilson: Well you might not give a damn, but that's a large software stack |
| 05:32.23 | mwilson | gravity: Debian's KDE is always broken somehow. It's the normal state of things. |
| 05:32.35 | cadu | bsims: no menus :) |
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| 05:32.42 | bsims | cadu: true |
| 05:32.45 | mwilson | People who run KDE on Debian don't use Debian's KDE packages. |
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| 05:34.17 | stumbles | bsims: so i assume that this previous session info is stored in /home - what file should i be looking at? |
| 05:34.19 | |ryan| | anyone here using sa-exim with greylisting? I'm getting errors from spamassassin trying to load the plugin. |
| 05:34.38 | mwilson | bsims: He just refuses to listen, doesn't he? |
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| 05:35.01 | mwilson | stumbles: For the THIRD time, gdm does not have per-user configuration. |
| 05:35.07 | bsims | mwilson: I even pointed him into teh right directory |
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| 05:35.59 | KarlosII | cadu, u need libdvdcss |
| 05:36.20 | dabaR | wow. anyhow, would anyone like to explain if openbox is more like gnome, blackbox, or metacity? |
| 05:36.31 | stumbles | mwilson: but each user can have their own default wm's - where is this stored? |
| 05:36.49 | mwilson | stumbles: No, each user cannot have their own default window manager. |
| 05:37.10 | bsims | for the one hundred and third time in .gnome or .kde but GDM doesn't care what those settings are |
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| 05:37.36 | mwilson | stumbles: If you choose the "Default" or "Debian" (or whatever the Gnome idiots are calling that particular session this week), then gdm uses the user's ~/.xsession file to control the X startup, so you can start whatever you want there. |
| 05:37.39 | Penix | dabaR: it's called open*box*. which one of those do you think it would resemble? |
| 05:37.49 | dabaR | blackbox, was I right? |
| 05:38.12 | mwilson | Openbox resembles blackbox superficially in look. |
| 05:38.13 | dabaR | Ok, cause the gnome-panels throw me off. I guess they are just started as software. |
| 05:38.20 | stumbles | mwilson: and if i choose fluxbox and it asks if i want this to be my default wm? |
| 05:38.29 | mwilson | stumbles: It doesn't. |
| 05:38.32 | cadu | KarlosII: for menus? no |
| 05:38.38 | cadu | KarlosII: and i already have it :) |
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| 05:38.52 | mwilson | stumbles: Whatever session file the fluxcrap package installs might ask you that, but gdm doesn't. |
| 05:38.52 | KarlosII | oh I should pay more attention to convo |
| 05:38.54 | KarlosII | :> |
| 05:38.57 | cadu | bsims: what a hack! i've made it work by putting "path to dvd drive" -> /home/blabla/myiso.iso |
| 05:39.03 | cadu | geeez |
| 05:39.04 | cadu | :) |
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| 05:39.35 | dabaR | ya, you are officially one of us hackers here now. |
| 05:39.45 | bsims | cadu: took ya long enough have a cookie @ |
| 05:39.57 | tvn | !beer cadu |
| 05:40.00 | KarlosII | lol |
| 05:40.01 | dabaR | so, is it a desktop environment, a window manager, or whatever teh heck metacity is, prolly another wm... |
| 05:40.04 | b-_-d | the topic is wrong "/msg dpkg kde3.4" [Error] dpkg: No such nick/channel. |
| 05:40.11 | tvn | um .... so I don't know how to use the bot |
| 05:40.11 | dabaR | anyhow |
| 05:40.14 | mwilson | metacity is a rather featureless window manager. |
| 05:40.14 | dabaR | why am I asking this here. |
| 05:40.19 | dabaR | Ill go read the thing. |
| 05:40.33 | dabaR | b-_-d: ask apt |
| 05:40.33 | b-_-d | someome goofed |
| 05:40.42 | dabaR | instead of dpkg |
| 05:40.43 | mwilson | You have to put Gnome around it to make it even marginally useful. |
| 05:40.50 | b-_-d | ok |
| 05:40.52 | funk | I'm a newbie that's trying to open an audio CD in KDE but because my cdrom is on a scsi/pci card I can't get anything to mount |
| 05:41.09 | b-_-d | the topic is wrong "/msg apt kde3.4" [Error] dpkg: No such nick/channel. |
| 05:41.11 | bsims | how annoying is it to get Konstruct to build debs? |
| 05:41.12 | mwilson | funk: What does the interface have to do with it? You don't mount audio CD's. |
| 05:41.20 | b-_-d | oops |
| 05:41.33 | bsims | b-_-d: it usually works but dpkg is on vacation |
| 05:41.46 | funk | well kde can't read any of my cds so that's what I thought |
| 05:41.59 | dabaR | hah, apt says bla bla, or lame for kde. |
| 05:42.03 | mwilson | funk: KDE doesn't read CD's. Linux reads CD's. |
| 05:42.04 | b-_-d | apt did not work |
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| 05:42.14 | b-_-d | can someone just tell me? |
| 05:42.32 | mwilson | funk: Whether or not a CD is "readable" has nothing to do with KDE> |
| 05:42.33 | dabaR | tell you what? |
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| 05:42.39 | b-_-d | debian bots are broken |
| 05:43.01 | b-_-d | is kde3.4 out for debian |
| 05:43.01 | funk | sorry, when I try to open a cd in konquer it won't do it for me that's what I meant to say |
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| 05:43.20 | mwilson | funk: An audio CD? I'm not surprised. |
| 05:43.20 | b-_-d | sorry i would ask a bot |
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| 05:43.49 | funk | well even when it's a data cd it won't open |
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| 05:44.02 | dabaR | http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 |
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| 05:44.07 | ke6isf | b-_-d: Have you done apt-cache search yet? |
| 05:44.18 | b-_-d | not in last week |
| 05:44.36 | mwilson | funk: And what error do you get? Or do people have to guess? |
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| 05:45.34 | b-_-d | funk you need to add cdrom to fstab than right click to add cd icon or use kpanel |
| 05:45.37 | funk | it says mount: special device /dev/cdrom/ does not exist please check that the disk is entered correctly |
| 05:46.05 | b-_-d | funk did you look at your fstab |
| 05:46.21 | funk | no, I don't know what that is |
| 05:46.31 | b-_-d | wow |
| 05:46.44 | funk | like I said I'm a newbie |
| 05:46.46 | fortysixand2 | funk: cat /etc/fstab and look for a line with "cdrom" in it |
| 05:46.47 | ke6isf | !fstab |
| 05:46.54 | b-_-d | look in /etc/fstab |
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| 05:47.21 | ke6isf | What's the attention char for apt? |
| 05:47.23 | funk | yeah there's a /dev/cdrom there |
| 05:47.29 | dabaR | @ or # |
| 05:47.30 | b-_-d | ok |
| 05:47.35 | ke6isf | dabaR: Sankyu |
| 05:47.42 | dabaR | kyuwelcome |
| 05:47.43 | b-_-d | it most be incorrect |
| 05:48.08 | fortysixand2 | funk: what is listed next to it? /mnt/cdrom? |
| 05:48.14 | b-_-d | type eject /dev/hdb |
| 05:48.24 | b-_-d | did cdrom open |
| 05:48.46 | b-_-d | i can help you find your cdrom |
| 05:49.05 | funk | b-_-d it said eject: command not found |
| 05:49.24 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: I hope he *didn't* put his CD-ROM on hdb, that can really slow down performance copying from it to and from /hda, the IDE controller serializes |
| 05:49.32 | ke6isf | funk: do 'apt-get install eject' |
| 05:50.17 | funk | fortysixand2, it says /cdrom next to it, then iso9660, then ro,user,noauto, then 0, then 0 |
| 05:50.29 | b-_-d | MobyTurbo me to but he seems very new to linux |
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| 05:51.04 | black13 | what should go into the the xserverrc file |
| 05:51.09 | dabaR | hey, how do you set a root x window(desktop) picture? |
| 05:51.09 | funk | no, when I did eject /dev/hdb it was unable to find or open device |
| 05:51.14 | fortysixand2 | so try "mount /cdrom" with a data CD |
| 05:51.35 | fortysixand2 | to my knowledge, you can't mount an audio CD |
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| 05:51.44 | ke6isf | fortysixand2: That won't work. There shouldn't be a device named /cdrom. Ever. |
| 05:51.48 | Penix | you can with cdfs, but it's dirty and evil |
| 05:51.49 | b-_-d | ls /dev/hd* |
| 05:51.56 | b-_-d | what do you see |
| 05:52.08 | fortysixand2 | ke6isf: I know, but I'm just going by what was in fstab |
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| 05:52.15 | ke6isf | fortysixand2: Ah, OK. |
| 05:52.17 | MobyTurbo | ke6isf: no, selecting a mountpoint with mount works if /etc/fstab is correct. |
| 05:52.18 | wobbler | funk try /usr/bin/eject and see if it opens |
| 05:52.41 | funk | /dev/hdc1 /dev/hdc2 /dev/hdd /dev/hdd1 |
| 05:52.41 | b-_-d | wobbler: good idea |
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| 05:53.05 | ke6isf | MobyTurbo: Indeed, ddin't know that. |
| 05:53.08 | b-_-d | ok |
| 05:53.23 | funk | wobbler it was unable to find or open device for cdrom |
| 05:53.26 | b-_-d | eject /dev/hdd |
| 05:53.30 | MobyTurbo | ke6isf: it saves a lot of typing. :-) |
| 05:53.37 | b-_-d | did it open? |
| 05:53.41 | ke6isf | MobyTurbo: Will have to get into the habit of that. =^^= |
| 05:53.59 | nextime | dmesg | grep CD ? |
| 05:54.02 | funk | it didn't open but it didn't give any error |
| 05:54.16 | ke6isf | Either that, or see where the CD drive lies when you reboot. |
| 05:54.28 | ke6isf | funk: Type 'mount'. |
| 05:55.13 | funk | ok, when I typed 'mount' a few things popped up none of which said cdrom |
| 05:55.23 | ke6isf | funk: OK, that's what I was looking for. |
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| 05:56.09 | funk | ke6isf, do you want me to type out what came up from the mount command? |
| 05:56.42 | ke6isf | funk: No, that's OK. I was looking to see if the drive was mounted in an obscure location, but it would seem not if it's not even appearing. |
| 05:56.57 | b-_-d | funk dmesg | grep CD |
| 05:57.14 | funk | b-_-d when I did that nothing happened |
| 05:57.25 | b-_-d | strange |
| 05:57.29 | ke6isf | funk: Is there power to the drive? |
| 05:57.39 | ke6isf | funk: In short, is it plugged in? |
| 05:57.49 | fortysixand2 | can you paste the whole line from /etc/fstab with cdrom in it? |
| 05:57.49 | funk | yes there is power |
| 05:58.08 | funk | I just redid the grep cd thing with lowercase and I got some stuff |
| 05:58.12 | ke6isf | funk: What about the data cable? Is that correctly connected? |
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| 05:58.28 | ke6isf | funk: Join #flood and paste it in there |
| 05:58.32 | rosemary | when I log in I get Gnome desktop, but want kde or icewm - tried logging out but it reverts to CLI. Tried /etc/init.d/kdm start but says no such file |
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| 05:59.22 | funk | I don't know how to paste using x-chat |
| 05:59.43 | b-_-d | hdparm -i /dev/hdd |
| 05:59.43 | ke6isf | funk: Simple. Highlight the appropriate text in the terminal window, go to where you want to paste, and click the middle button or wheel. |
| 05:59.46 | debboy | hi all. can anyone please confirm that python-flac works? i can't get the examples working, ./encoder.py (with a wav file) just says "error" - wtf |
| 05:59.47 | MobyTurbo | funk: /exec -o cat /etc/fstab |
| 05:59.49 | cadu | dabaR: duh :) |
| 05:59.53 | b-_-d | did you see a drive name |
| 05:59.56 | fortysixand2 | just copy the line and right-click -> paste in the tesxt box |
| 05:59.57 | ke6isf | MobyTurbo: Heh, even better. =^^= |
| 06:00.00 | wulang | ä¸ä¼šç”¨å‘€ï¼ |
| 06:00.10 | ke6isf | Forgot about /exec.. |
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| 06:00.18 | ke6isf | funk: Do that command in #flood. |
| 06:01.16 | debboy | brb |
| 06:01.20 | ke6isf | funk: do /exec -o ls -l /dev/cdrom |
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| 06:01.55 | b-_-d | what about hdparm -i /dev/hdd |
| 06:01.57 | nextime | hdc and hdd are disks, so, maybe hda is the cdrom? dmesg | grep hda ? |
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| 06:02.19 | ke6isf | nextime: Unusual, but OK. |
| 06:02.26 | fortysixand2 | interesting idea... |
| 06:02.45 | ke6isf | That explains the mount issue, there is no /dev/cdrom. |
| 06:03.18 | tvn | funk: linux is damn too confusing isn't it |
| 06:03.29 | MobyTurbo | usually /dev/cdrom is a symlink to the CD-ROM used during installation. |
| 06:03.32 | b-_-d | funk ls /dev/cdroms/ |
| 06:03.34 | funk | does it make a big difference that my cdrom is running through a scsi/pci card and not the IDE drive |
| 06:03.41 | ke6isf | b-_-d: Just did. It's not htere. |
| 06:03.44 | nextime | ! |
| 06:03.54 | b-_-d | wow what kernel |
| 06:03.56 | ke6isf | b-_-d: see #flood. |
| 06:03.59 | fortysixand2 | would it be in sda? |
| 06:04.07 | b-_-d | sda is scsi |
| 06:04.09 | ke6isf | fortysixand2: If it's usb. |
| 06:04.15 | MobyTurbo | funk: yes, it does. It's not any of the hd* devices |
| 06:04.16 | ke6isf | funk: Is this a USB CD drive? |
| 06:04.19 | fortysixand2 | right, it's a scsi controller |
| 06:04.20 | nextime | scd0? sr0? |
| 06:04.24 | fortysixand2 | he/she said |
| 06:04.39 | b-_-d | scd0 |
| 06:04.42 | funk | no its a scsi cdrom plugged into a scsi/pci card |
| 06:05.04 | ke6isf | funk: Then we need to look at /dev/sd*. |
| 06:05.05 | b-_-d | funk what kernel |
| 06:05.17 | nextime | funk: dmesg | grep -i scsi ? |
| 06:05.26 | funk | I'm not sure of the kernel either 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 06:05.35 | ke6isf | funk: uname -a |
| 06:05.40 | b-_-d | uname -a will give you kernel version |
| 06:05.48 | MobyTurbo | funk: uname -r |
| 06:06.06 | funk | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 06:06.18 | ke6isf | funk: You're running Sarge, right? |
| 06:06.22 | b-_-d | very strange |
| 06:06.43 | nextime | funk : try to paste a dmesg | grep -i scsi on #flood |
| 06:06.46 | funk | yeah sarge |
| 06:06.52 | b-_-d | he should have /dev/cdroms in 2.6.x |
| 06:07.28 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: I don't have /dev/cdroms. I do have /dev/cdrom |
| 06:07.44 | tvn | /dev/cdrom doesn't mean anything .... it can be a symlink somewhere else |
| 06:07.45 | b-_-d | odd |
| 06:07.47 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: but then again, my CD is IDE. |
| 06:07.48 | Penix | cdroms/ is from devfs |
| 06:08.03 | b-_-d | true |
| 06:08.10 | MobyTurbo | devfs is not usually on in 2.6 |
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| 06:08.27 | ke6isf | devfs is deprecated for 2.6. |
| 06:08.32 | Penix | ke6isf: so? |
| 06:08.41 | Penix | ke6isf: doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
| 06:08.47 | MobyTurbo | I have no idea what udev does with a cd-rom, I won't run stuff like that unless I have to. |
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| 06:08.54 | dabaR | cadu: hey, sorry cant figure out what you mean. |
| 06:08.57 | ke6isf | Penix: Indeed. It means it's deprecated. |
| 06:09.02 | nextime | it seem to need to load the kernel module for a scsi cdrom, according to dmesg he don't have the right support to see the device |
| 06:09.09 | cadu | dabaR: sarcastic :) |
| 06:09.14 | MobyTurbo | ke6isf: and it's inactivated in the stock Debian kernel as well. |
| 06:09.19 | b-_-d | i forgot i have some hardware that is not happy under udev |
| 06:09.25 | Penix | MobyTurbo: udev doesn't do anything unless you tell it to. I just have /dev/hdc and hdd |
| 06:09.27 | funk | I can't understand how I can install off a cdrom but then not have it recognise the cdrom after it's installed |
| 06:09.41 | Penix | by default that is |
| 06:09.43 | MobyTurbo | (refering to devfs) |
| 06:09.49 | dabaR | cadu: so, answer? I acn get it to load my gnome set up picture if I run nautilus, which is pretty cool already. |
| 06:10.15 | gteppel | I'm running a debian stable server for my home network which acts as a lamp server/dhcp/firewall/gateway for my LAN. I just switched from DSL to Cable and have been receiving this message on the screen "sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast"... constantly ever since I switched from DSL to Cable... Any ideas??? |
| 06:10.16 | cadu | dabaR: nice |
| 06:10.19 | nextime | funk : the installing kernel and the installed kernel are different, so, in few cases, it could happen |
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| 06:10.21 | cadu | dabaR: go dabaR ! |
| 06:10.29 | cadu | dabaR: hehehe you're one of us hackers out here :) |
| 06:10.46 | ke6isf | gteppel: How frequently" |
| 06:10.47 | dabaR | GoGo power rangers. Ya, I am totally now, that Ive made such a hack like that. |
| 06:10.48 | ke6isf | ? |
| 06:10.57 | gteppel | one or twice a day |
| 06:11.00 | funk | nextime, so what do I do now? |
| 06:11.11 | cadu | dabaR: 02:39 < dabaR> ya, you are officially one of us hackers here now. |
| 06:11.14 | gteppel | i think i get them when i'm box talks to my isp's dhcp server |
| 06:11.15 | cadu | hehehehe |
| 06:11.15 | Gnea | gteppel: what dhcp client? |
| 06:11.22 | gteppel | dhcp3 |
| 06:11.28 | Gnea | gteppel: try pump |
| 06:11.36 | dabaR | cadu: I knew why you said that. |
| 06:11.44 | dabaR | did I say that to you? |
| 06:11.46 | gteppel | k... i'll look into it, but do you know why/what is happening |
| 06:11.47 | nextime | funk : in my opinion, you must load the right kernel module, as we can see from your dmesg |
| 06:12.05 | MobyTurbo | Penix: I wasn't aware of that, I suppose udev is less evil than I thought. |
| 06:12.33 | dabaR | well, I gotta jet like a vet. see ya later. Ha, jet like a vet, stupid.:) |
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| 06:12.44 | funk | nextime, how do I do that? |
| 06:12.47 | Gnea | gteppel: dunno, never seen it |
| 06:13.00 | Penix | MobyTurbo: by default it gives you the standard layout you'd get without any udev or devfs magic. you can create custom rules though, or use a devfs layout |
| 06:13.06 | b-_-d | funk is eject on your system? |
| 06:13.12 | funk | yes |
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| 06:13.34 | MobyTurbo | Penix: that's not what some other distros do with it, I'd assumed it was always meddlesome. |
| 06:13.42 | b-_-d | brb creating script |
| 06:14.00 | Penix | MobyTurbo: a lot of people would say the same about Linux ;) |
| 06:14.15 | whm | Xorg works well on sid know?? |
| 06:14.18 | Gnea | gteppel: what interface is that happening on? |
| 06:14.22 | MobyTurbo | Penix: Windows is a lot more meddlesome than *nix. :-) |
| 06:14.22 | gravity | whm: Yes |
| 06:14.29 | fortysixand2 | I wouldn't say it works well |
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| 06:14.34 | nextime | funk first, you have to load the support for your pci scsi card, so, you need to know wich card you have, to do this, try "lspci | grep -i scsi" |
| 06:14.41 | fortysixand2 | it kicks me to the shell when I end a session |
| 06:14.48 | fortysixand2 | I have to restart kdm |
| 06:14.49 | whm | gravity:great,upgrading |
| 06:14.57 | gteppel | eth0 my isp |
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| 06:15.19 | gteppel | the address its complaining about is my isp gateway |
| 06:15.32 | Gnea | gteppel: and you reconfigured so that the system isn't doing anything regarding pppoe? |
| 06:15.47 | b-_-d | funk eject /dev/hda; eject /dev/hdb; eject /dev/hdc; eject /dev/hdd |
| 06:15.52 | nextime | funk : ok, now you need to recognize the right module for your controller and load it in the kernel |
| 06:15.57 | b-_-d | did it open? |
| 06:16.02 | gteppel | correct |
| 06:16.11 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:16.14 | gteppel | well i never used pppoe for my dsl |
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| 06:16.29 | gteppel | but i'm positive my system isn't doing anything with pppoe |
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| 06:16.55 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: all of those will fail on a SCSI CD-ROM |
| 06:17.04 | nextime | funk : try modprobe fdomain |
| 06:17.19 | funk | b-_-d the first two were "unable to finds" and the second two are my harddrives so the were "device busy" |
| 06:17.25 | b-_-d | MobyTurbo true but he says it is ide |
| 06:17.38 | fortysixand2 | i thought it was scsi |
| 06:17.46 | b-_-d | is it scsi |
| 06:17.58 | funk | yeah it's scsi |
| 06:18.01 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: < funk> no its a scsi cdrom plugged into a scsi/pci car |
| 06:18.05 | funk | through a pci controller |
| 06:18.11 | Gnea | gteppel: see if you can catch it with this: tcpdump -n -nn -p -i eth0 -s 1500 icmp |
| 06:18.18 | gteppel | k |
| 06:18.26 | b-_-d | eject /dev/scd0 |
| 06:18.37 | funk | nextime, nothing happened with modprobe fdomain |
| 06:18.48 | nextime | funk : ok, now try dmesg | tail |
| 06:18.51 | b-_-d | eject /dev/scd |
| 06:18.53 | nextime | and paste on #flood |
| 06:18.56 | MobyTurbo | funk: that's good, if it gives no errors it may have worked. |
| 06:19.21 | MobyTurbo | funk: looks like the modprobe worked, according to your logs |
| 06:19.26 | funk | I'll #flood the dmesg | tail |
| 06:19.36 | b-_-d | funk did eject /dev/scd0 work? |
| 06:19.43 | gteppel | gnea... wife's calling i gotta go to bed |
| 06:19.44 | Gnea | gteppel: actually, add a -v to that |
| 06:19.47 | gteppel | thanks for your help |
| 06:19.51 | Gnea | np good luck |
| 06:19.53 | nextime | ok |
| 06:19.55 | gteppel | thanks |
| 06:20.13 | nextime | funk : now, try ln -s /dev/sr0 /dev/cdrom |
| 06:20.15 | funk | b-_-d yes that worked |
| 06:20.17 | fortysixand2 | sr0 |
| 06:20.32 | b-_-d | good we found it |
| 06:20.43 | nextime | b-_-d : "I" found it :) |
| 06:20.43 | fortysixand2 | finally! |
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| 06:21.09 | Gnea | hrm, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses would have shut that right up |
| 06:21.19 | Gnea | oh well |
| 06:21.34 | funk | when I did the ln -s thing it said '/dev/cdrom': File exists |
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| 06:21.45 | b-_-d | nextime you found it? |
| 06:21.57 | fortysixand2 | ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/sr0 |
| 06:22.07 | fortysixand2 | wait |
| 06:22.08 | MobyTurbo | fortysixand2: that is a Bad Idea |
| 06:22.11 | fortysixand2 | nm |
| 06:22.17 | fortysixand2 | don't listen to me |
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| 06:22.22 | nextime | funk : ok, now you can remove /dev/cdrom and relink it to the right device with ln -s /dev/sr0 /dev/cdrom, or you can change /dev/cdrom to /dev/sr0 in /etc/fstab |
| 06:22.30 | fortysixand2 | I caught myself |
| 06:22.41 | nextime | b-_-d : yes, i found it. |
| 06:23.03 | b-_-d | what line |
| 06:23.03 | nextime | funk : and you need to fix the loading of the fdomain module at boot time |
| 06:23.19 | funk | am I doing /dev/sr0 or the /dev/scd0 that worked with the eject command? |
| 06:23.23 | phorce1 | Is there a writeup somewhere on switching from a non-ititrd kernel to an initrd kernel. Trying to upgrade a Spark Ultra1 from 2.4.26 to 2.4.27 without slicking it or compiling a custom kernel. |
| 06:23.30 | nextime | b-_-d : when i say to do a lspci | grep -i scsi, modprobe fdomain, dmesg | tail |
| 06:23.31 | nextime | :) |
| 06:23.39 | fortysixand2 | yeah, because we were all in it for the personal glory, not for helping funk |
| 06:23.52 | fortysixand2 | so we need to decide who actually did it |
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| 06:24.12 | fortysixand2 | :D |
| 06:24.21 | b-_-d | so his kernel is incorrectly setup |
| 06:24.37 | nextime | fortysixand2 : ahaha , right, i will send a money request to funk after he can do a eject correctly :) |
| 06:24.40 | MobyTurbo | fortysixand2: I think a lot of people helped out, which is good. |
| 06:24.50 | b-_-d | wonder why he never built a kernel |
| 06:25.09 | nextime | i'm joking, of course... |
| 06:25.10 | drsews | it would be much faster to just restart the computer and use the eject button physicall on the drive |
| 06:25.25 | funk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.34 | MobyTurbo | funk: add fdomain to /etc/modules |
| 06:26.04 | MobyTurbo | funk: that will compensate for it not loading automatically |
| 06:26.12 | funk | ok |
| 06:26.18 | b-_-d | symbolic link and add fdomain to /etc/modules will fix it |
| 06:26.20 | nextime | funk : do what MobyTurbo say, and relink /dev/cdrom to the right device |
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| 06:26.33 | b-_-d | i would build a new kernel |
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| 06:27.02 | b-_-d | with fdomain built in |
| 06:27.06 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: I think building a new kernel is something he should do, if necessary, for when he's more familiar with his system |
| 06:27.12 | drsews | build a kernel just to eject a cd .... |
| 06:27.29 | nextime | ok, now i need a cup of strong coffee, bye all |
| 06:27.41 | funk | that was fun. thanks everyone |
| 06:27.46 | MobyTurbo | personally I run a Debian kernel, after a while I figured it wasn't worth the bother unless I had to. |
| 06:27.52 | b-_-d | MobyTurbo he can chroot to fix if he fails |
| 06:29.02 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: I don't recommend building a kernel to newbies. Debian ~= Gentoo, after all |
| 06:29.03 | b-_-d | i run stock kernel with few patches |
| 06:29.06 | MobyTurbo | != |
| 06:29.34 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: actually, nowadys running a stock 2.6 kernel is considered risky by the kernel developers themselves. |
| 06:29.57 | MobyTurbo | nowadays* |
| 06:29.58 | b-_-d | "with few patches" |
| 06:30.45 | phorce1 | now there's this whole initrd thing screwing me up again. |
| 06:30.50 | b-_-d | i have patched from suse, gentoo, debian, trees |
| 06:30.55 | MobyTurbo | Debian kernels tend to have a lot of modules. A bit too many, though that has improved. |
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| 06:31.45 | drsews | modularity is good .... |
| 06:31.52 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: good for you. I wouldn't recommend that to a newbie, when changing a single line in a file fixes the problem. |
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| 06:33.16 | b-_-d | MobyTurbo the debian source is very stable what about option? bad idea? |
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| 06:33.49 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: when I started using Linux it didn't have modules. (0.95) |
| 06:33.50 | nextime | imho, if you have a usual home system, and if you are a newbie, a debian precompiled kernel it's ok |
| 06:34.05 | MobyTurbo | b-_-d: the Debian source is very good now, true. |
| 06:34.05 | phorce1 | whew - testnet is dead. |
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| 06:34.27 | nextime | no reason to compile a new kernel if he don't know what he do |
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| 06:36.56 | phorce1 | ick - 2 DVD coasters in a row. Guess I need to let the burner rest a while. |
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| 06:37.22 | b-_-d | i was only trying to get the scsi driver built in and a smaller kernel |
| 06:37.26 | b-_-d | bad idea |
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| 06:37.41 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: which is better, DVD+RW or DVD-RW |
| 06:38.02 | a1fa | courier-imap is just screwed |
| 06:38.07 | b-_-d | DVD+RW for movie |
| 06:38.20 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: -RW seems to be more compatible with other devices (like home DVD players) -- +RW has faster burn speed available. |
| 06:38.41 | b-_-d | but DVD-RW has more support |
| 06:38.53 | HAMM3R | Hey guys. can comeone please tell me the correct chmod level for the /etc/ dir ? |
| 06:38.53 | phorce1 | b-_-d: I have 2 home DVD players that won't recognize +RW at all -- -RW works fine |
| 06:39.07 | secher | Heyas all. I installed MySql server and client yesterday, and I did not get the initial setup screens I think I should have. I did a dpkg-reconfigure and a apt-get -reinstall of the server, and still no configuration. I manually edited the .mysql.cfg file to include the root user id and password, and tried to log in with mysqladmin. no go ( I can get the exact error, but basically it's "can't do it". ) I ran mysql_install_db, b |
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| 06:39.31 | nextime | for installing xebian on a old xbox +rw is better ( exeption that confirm the rule ) |
| 06:39.33 | a1fa | there is a difference between DVD-RW & DVD+RW? |
| 06:39.36 | b-_-d | phorce1 [01:50] <b-_-d> but DVD-RW has more support |
| 06:39.55 | nextime | a1fa : + and - are different standards |
| 06:40.01 | sparr_ | i would like to figure out why my primary (in use) NIC changes from eth1 to eth0 and back every few dozen reboots (few days, few weeks). any tips? |
| 06:40.12 | phorce1 | ala: courier works fine here (plus postfix, MySQL, amavisd-new, Squirrelmail, etc etc) |
| 06:40.37 | MobyTurbo | plus to sow even more confusion DVD-R is different than -RW and +RW |
| 06:40.41 | phorce1 | b-_-d: Yeah -- that popped up as I was hitting send |
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| 06:41.43 | phorce1 | now if the price on dual layer media would drop like single layer did. It's still cheaper to use twice as many single layer discs for data. |
| 06:42.24 | drsews | sparr_: do you have more than 1 nic ? |
| 06:42.38 | sparr_ | drsews: yes |
| 06:42.51 | HAMM3R | Hey guys. can comeone please tell me the correct chmod level for the /etc/ dir ? |
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| 06:43.05 | HAMM3R | i seemed to have screwed it up |
| 06:43.24 | babyrobbe | ^^ ... moin moin :) |
| 06:43.35 | phorce1 | secher: I think it default installs with just a test database and allows root to connect with no PW. you have to connect and set a PW for root. I generally just go in with 'mysql' rather than using 'mysqladmin' |
| 06:43.39 | drsews | sparr_: eth0 eth1 depends on whichever module loads first .... say at boot 1 module A for nic A boots first, then eth0 points to that nic , at boot 2 module B for nic B boots first, then eth0 points to that nic |
| 06:44.33 | MobyTurbo | HAMM3R: 755 |
| 06:44.41 | HAMM3R | thank you |
| 06:44.43 | MobyTurbo | HAMM3R: with root:root |
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| 06:44.53 | Whisky_ | Good morning ! |
| 06:44.55 | MobyTurbo | HAMM3R: in the future use ls -ld |
| 06:45.09 | HAMM3R | ok, well you have lost me now. lol |
| 06:45.16 | HAMM3R | 755 is all i understood |
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| 06:45.37 | HAMM3R | what do you mean by root:root ? |
| 06:45.38 | TecnoVM64 | the other is doing chown root:root /etc |
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| 06:45.47 | Whisky_ | mmm......How do i control which programs start when i login to KDE ? |
| 06:45.47 | jennifer | what is dash? |
| 06:45.56 | MobyTurbo | HAMM3R: "ls -ld" on a directory just lists the directory without its contents. root:root is the ownership (group and individual) |
| 06:45.57 | gravity | jennifer: apt-cache show dash |
| 06:46.07 | HAMM3R | oh ok |
| 06:46.11 | HAMM3R | thanks :D |
| 06:46.21 | MobyTurbo | HAMM3R: np |
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| 06:46.47 | a1fa | couirer-imap packages are screwed up.. i cant use vchkpw module with it.. dang it |
| 06:46.52 | HAMM3R | so should i use: chmod 755 /etc/ ? |
| 06:47.02 | Whisky_ | anyone? :S |
| 06:47.14 | MobyTurbo | HAMM3R: if necessary |
| 06:47.22 | HAMM3R | ok |
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| 06:47.48 | phorce1 | alfa: courier works fine here (plus postfix, MySQL, amavisd-new, Squirrelmail, etc etc) No vchkpw though |
| 06:47.52 | drsews | Whisky_: I would thought kde has some gui programs to control it |
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| 06:48.09 | Whisky_ | good idea. |
| 06:48.28 | phorce1 | alfa: oh -- that's a qmail thing |
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| 06:49.36 | a1fa | yeah dude |
| 06:49.37 | ArtistAgent | how do i report sexspammers on this server? |
| 06:49.42 | a1fa | it is using authvchkpw |
| 06:49.48 | a1fa | but it doesnt get authorised |
| 06:49.51 | a1fa | for some reason |
| 06:49.59 | a1fa | maybe because i didnnt enable clear text passwords |
| 06:49.59 | funk | to those who just finished helping me with my cdrom issue, I now need to get an audio cd running in kde, any takers? |
| 06:50.05 | a1fa | cleartxt password sucks ass |
| 06:50.10 | jennifer | thank you. |
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| 06:50.48 | whm | ^_^ |
| 06:51.09 | babyseal | but i'll give it a try to install it from a knoppix cd :) |
| 06:51.11 | liable | !ops NaTasHa_AdiLLa onjoin pornbot |
| 06:51.17 | silensius | how can i give permission for a user to mount and umount a device |
| 06:51.26 | funk | b-_-d how do I get a user permission to use the audiocd function? I'm fine with mounting data cds but I need to run audio cds |
| 06:51.31 | liable | @ops NaTasHa_AdiLLa onjoin pornbot |
| 06:51.36 | babyseal | silensius, fstab: add user to options |
| 06:51.47 | silensius | i do it |
| 06:51.48 | MobyTurbo | babyseal: Knoppix is not Debian |
| 06:51.50 | liable | wheres all the bots? |
| 06:51.53 | secher | silensius: sudo |
| 06:51.58 | babyseal | MobyTurbo, O.O not?!?!?! |
| 06:52.08 | liable | !hi |
| 06:52.11 | silensius | but it doesn't work |
| 06:52.13 | Overand | !based on |
| 06:52.16 | phorce1 | have to turn cryptpw back on soon after fixing the database |
| 06:52.19 | Overand | hm |
| 06:52.33 | babyseal | MobyTurbo, well based on ;)) |
| 06:52.34 | secher | Sil: what doesn't work, sudo or fstab? |
| 06:52.38 | liable | ~ops NaTasHa_AdiLLa onjoin pornbot |
| 06:52.39 | MobyTurbo | babyseal: Knoppix is Debian like Mandrake is Red Hat. A not compltely compatable fork |
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| 06:52.46 | kregr | come to quarks, quarks is fun, come right now, don't walk....run! |
| 06:53.03 | liable | gah fuck it. |
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| 06:54.16 | phorce1 | liable: probably turned off while the crew is playing on the testnet |
| 06:54.19 | babyseal | MobyTurbo, :/ |
| 06:54.43 | funk | when I try to play an audio cd in totem I get an error that it failed to open device /dev/scd0 for reading: permission denied |
| 06:54.55 | babyseal | though a working network adapter might be useful when installing over network *G* |
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| 06:55.30 | MobyTurbo | funk: ls -l /dev/scd0 and see what its ownerships are. It should be in cdrom's group, if not you'll need to change that. |
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| 06:55.36 | silensius | Secher : i have this in fstab /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ext3 rw,user 0 0 is it correct |
| 06:55.37 | phorce1 | funk: probably need to add yourself to the audio group -- then log out and back in |
| 06:55.58 | phorce1 | oh yeah -- not audio -- troubble with cd |
| 06:56.00 | secher | what is the utility that is used to configure debian during the initial installation? |
| 06:56.03 | phorce1 | sorry |
| 06:56.05 | funk | phorcel I'm able to play audio, just not audio cds |
| 06:56.07 | laura | hi |
| 06:56.16 | silensius | funk : adduser funk audio |
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| 06:56.41 | phorce1 | silensius: same mistake I made -- not an audio problem |
| 06:56.51 | Whisky_ | no such thing for management of apps that start when I login to KDE :\ |
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| 06:57.09 | MobyTurbo | funk: add yourself to the cdrom group, and make sure /dev/scd0 is : |
| 06:57.13 | funk | MobyTurbo the permissions on that device are brw-rw---- |
| 06:57.16 | liable | Whisky_: you want stuff to automatically start? |
| 06:57.18 | MobyTurbo | root:cdrom |
| 06:57.22 | laura | could someone help me with java installation? |
| 06:57.29 | MobyTurbo | funk: what's important is the ownership |
| 06:57.29 | Whisky_ | liable, I want to disable some ... |
| 06:57.40 | funk | its owned by root |
| 06:57.43 | MobyTurbo | funk: those permissions are fine, assuming you belong to its group |
| 06:57.51 | MobyTurbo | funk: what's the group? |
| 06:57.57 | funk | cdrom |
| 06:58.01 | liable | Whisky_: like what? |
| 06:58.07 | Whisky_ | liable, aMsn > |
| 06:58.13 | MobyTurbo | funk: are you in the cdrom group? |
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| 06:58.22 | silensius | laura : http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian |
| 06:58.26 | funk | I just added myself |
| 06:58.36 | laura | thanks, I'll check it out |
| 06:58.43 | funk | MobyTurbo, thanks, that should work now |
| 06:58.46 | phorce1 | funk: you'll have to log out then back in for that to take effect |
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| 06:59.26 | babyseal | thats compiled with --disable-herausforderung --force-sinnfrei and --be-unselfish |
| 06:59.39 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: since /dev/cdrom is a symlink its always all permissions on |
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| 06:59.52 | NeoXan | sup my friends |
| 06:59.54 | NeoXan | :) |
| 07:01.08 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: hmmm -- I know whatever I did just made it wide open. It's a machine I set up 5 years ago though. Still chugging along. |
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| 07:01.55 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: it's still unnecessary, and once groups are correct it actually saves you from having to do that for each device. |
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| 07:03.03 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: Ahh -- actually, I guess I did "fix it right". it's /dev/hdc in the 'disk' group at rw-rw---- and I'm a member of 'disk'. |
| 07:03.12 | NeoXan | pheer my leet skills!! |
| 07:03.19 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: Incidentally, I had a rootkit at one time, since then I've been very adverse to doing things like that. |
| 07:03.28 | MobyTurbo | (setting 777) |
| 07:03.40 | NeoXan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.07 | NeoXan | lol |
| 07:04.29 | funk | MobyTurbo, don't run away now, my audio cd thing is still acting up |
| 07:04.55 | NeoXan | one1threethree33seven7!! |
| 07:05.03 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: being group disk isn't necesarily a good thing - it means any compromise of that account can directly write to your hard drive. Who needs root when you can do that? |
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| 07:05.29 | MobyTurbo | g+u |
| 07:05.34 | NeoXan | one1threethree33seven7!! |
| 07:06.06 | phorce1 | s-wx-wxrwx ouch |
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| 07:06.51 | MobyTurbo | er, w+x |
| 07:07.06 | MobyTurbo | as you're showing |
| 07:07.08 | meneg | hi, what's going on with the unstable packs not being updated for apt sources? is the first line on the topic referring to that? |
| 07:07.10 | NeoXan | you,s,u,c,k |
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| 07:09.16 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: insecure home machine - I grew up on DOS/windows 3.x --- anything important is backed up and nothing private is on the box. Work machines are a bit tighter <grin> |
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| 07:09.21 | phorce1 | funk: what's wrong with it now? |
| 07:09.21 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: I grew up on DOS, and System V. I've learned the hard way now to keep things tight, even when nothing is neccesarily precious you still don't want to get exploited. |
| 07:09.53 | NeoXan | MobyTurbo, you are a hacker? |
| 07:10.14 | MobyTurbo | NeoXan: not in the mass media definition, no |
| 07:10.38 | NeoXan | oh, a good type of hacker |
| 07:10.39 | NeoXan | ;) |
| 07:10.40 | MobyTurbo | NeoXan: there are many things to do with computers that are much more interesting than 0wning them. |
| 07:11.00 | NeoXan | using leetspeak is gay btw |
| 07:11.01 | NeoXan | ;) |
| 07:11.06 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: It's on a RoadRunner IP address -- use me as a spam relay and any mail admin worth their salt should be blocking me at the door anyway. |
| 07:11.21 | MobyTurbo | NeoXan: I meant to be ironic |
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| 07:11.32 | silensius | why everebody was disconnected from server , |
| 07:11.34 | NeoXan | oh ok :) |
| 07:11.36 | Whisky_ | k what the heck goes in to the Lost and Found menu in KDE? |
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| 07:11.51 | yahalom | anyone here use dillo? |
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| 07:12.02 | NeoXan | dildo? |
| 07:12.11 | phorce1 | silensius: dmwaters killed the wrong process and munched one of the servers for a moment |
| 07:12.13 | ArtistAgent | silensius there was just a global notice that the split was due to a small error in the admin :) |
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| 07:12.30 | MobyTurbo | NeoXan: dillo, a low-resource intensive graphical WWW client |
| 07:12.31 | silensius | :) |
| 07:12.52 | NeoXan | i know, but i ment dildo |
| 07:12.59 | MobyTurbo | ArtistAgent: oops |
| 07:12.59 | ArtistAgent | he thanked us for using freenode i thanked him for helping provide it :) |
| 07:13.10 | NeoXan | you know what a dildo is, MobyTurbo? :) |
| 07:13.26 | Ms-W0rld | watch out chunks |
| 07:13.26 | MobyTurbo | NeoXan: dillo != dildo |
| 07:13.34 | NeoXan | lol |
| 07:13.39 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: 'dillo -- short version of the name for the Texas state mascot |
| 07:13.45 | yahalom | so nobody using it? |
| 07:13.55 | NeoXan | maybe my girlfrien |
| 07:13.56 | NeoXan | d |
| 07:14.06 | ArtistAgent | not here yahalum |
| 07:14.08 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: that's how "gopher" got its name, from U Minn's mascot. |
| 07:14.12 | ArtistAgent | sorry |
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| 07:14.29 | NeoXan | s/h8/hate/ |
| 07:14.49 | NeoXan | homebox:/home/neoxan# apt-get install dillo |
| 07:14.51 | NeoXan | :)) |
| 07:15.12 | MobyTurbo | or is it U Michighan? I forget. |
| 07:15.39 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: :) |
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| 07:15.58 | nextime | phorce1 : you can use dillo with gtk-embedded on frame buffer :) |
| 07:16.10 | NeoXan | ill donate all my money to debian! |
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| 07:16.49 | Ms-W0rld | yup, It desreves, and some versions build on it. |
| 07:16.53 | funk | I'm running into serious troubles with my CDrom, I can't seem to eject the cd |
| 07:16.56 | coywolf | anyone help me with a script to creat 30 files? |
| 07:16.59 | coywolf | shell script |
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| 07:17.04 | phorce1 | nextime: /me likes nice stable non-fb 80x25 (actually, I'm always connected via ssh so I get whatever resolution I have on the box I'm sitting at) |
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| 07:17.16 | MobyTurbo | funk: you've mounted a CD? If so you need to umount it |
| 07:17.29 | NeoXan | um, what do you all think about kde? i think its gay |
| 07:17.47 | funk | MobyTurbo, yeah, I unmounted it in Konquer and tried to eject it but no luck |
| 07:17.49 | Ms-W0rld | NeoXan: its cool for me :D |
| 07:17.51 | ArtistAgent | i think it looks nice but you might as well use winblos |
| 07:18.01 | phorce1 | nextime: I crashed that machine HARD a few times when building it trying to get FB working for console on the stupid nVidia card it has in it |
| 07:18.07 | nextime | phorce1 : yup, i was joke, i'm like you, i'm a terminal fetishist or something like this |
| 07:18.11 | MobyTurbo | funk: try umounting it in the console. |
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| 07:18.21 | ArtistAgent | not to offend anyone using kde |
| 07:18.44 | ArtistAgent | I actually found it quite helpful in transitioning into linux systems |
| 07:18.45 | nextime | i use fb just on my notebook linux and on my console only work station |
| 07:18.55 | funk | MobyTurbo, ok that works |
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| 07:19.08 | MobyTurbo | funk: great! |
| 07:19.11 | sparr_ | almost every WM has a few cool features |
| 07:19.18 | phorce1 | nextime: I would like to build a box with working FB though. I tend to work on all my linux machines from a Winblows box with putty because of the much cleaner display. |
| 07:19.19 | sparr_ | problem is, no one can agree on which ones are cool :) |
| 07:19.30 | ArtistAgent | lol aint it the truth sparr |
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| 07:19.51 | sparr_ | im using KDE now |
| 07:19.56 | NeoXan | KDE sucks |
| 07:19.59 | NeoXan | use fluxbox |
| 07:20.00 | NeoXan | :)) |
| 07:20.07 | sparr_ | was using icewm before this |
| 07:20.14 | phorce1 | nextime: Except the Sparc Ultra1 machines -- they use FB by default and it looks very clean. |
| 07:20.15 | sparr_ | openbox before that |
| 07:20.17 | babyseal | well ... then i'll open a pizzaria ... earn a lot of money ... by microsoft ... and shut it down |
| 07:20.19 | nextime | phorce1 : i use only linux or osx for my client machines, anyway, putty it's a good "remote terminal" |
| 07:20.20 | funk | MobyTurbo, but now when I put an audio cd in it read it (for the first time) but now I can't eject that |
| 07:20.24 | sparr_ | fvwm, gnome, etc |
| 07:20.30 | NeoXan | kde is too windowslike for me |
| 07:20.31 | ArtistAgent | i just use wmaker call me a cheapskate when it comes to hd lol! |
| 07:20.38 | sparr_ | windowslike is fine with me |
| 07:20.41 | sparr_ | i dont care about pretty |
| 07:20.44 | sparr_ | i care about functional |
| 07:20.56 | ArtistAgent | have you tried wmaker sparr |
| 07:20.59 | babyseal | NeoXan, but very advanced in growing towards the light ;)) |
| 07:21.00 | NeoXan | yeah but kde laggs and uses many resources |
| 07:21.04 | nextime | phorce1 : on sparc i use minicom serial console :) |
| 07:21.34 | sparr_ | yes, ive used wmaker |
| 07:21.39 | MobyTurbo | wmaker is nice, its main drawbacks are it uses a lot of screen real estate and is not very configurable looks-wise. |
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| 07:21.46 | sparr_ | of all the "lite" WMs i liked icewm the most |
| 07:21.56 | sparr_ | but i didnt like not being able to rearrange the taskbar |
| 07:22.02 | sparr_ | it wasted a lot of space on things that should be small |
| 07:22.06 | sparr_ | and not enough space on important stuff |
| 07:22.07 | MobyTurbo | I didn't like icewm |
| 07:22.09 | funk | MobyTurbo in the console whe I type eject /dev/sr0 it says unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 07:22.20 | phorce1 | nextime: I have the Ultras in my office connected to a ServerSwitch 5port KVM. I'm using the monitor for my laptop dock right now so I just hit them with putty |
| 07:22.36 | ArtistAgent | i didnt mind it so much (icewm) that is |
| 07:22.47 | ArtistAgent | it was alright fairly slimlined |
| 07:22.52 | ArtistAgent | which is what i prefer |
| 07:22.52 | phorce1 | nextime: stuck keeping winblows on a machine for work so that's what I use for my client machine |
| 07:23.21 | MobyTurbo | funk: that's strange |
| 07:23.49 | MobyTurbo | funk: how about ejecting it manually after you umount it? |
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| 07:23.53 | ArtistAgent | but the only prob i have with wmaker is that it is too easy for me to get 10 applications going at the same time because the slimline fools me into thinking i have unlimited ram HA HA!!! |
| 07:24.05 | funk | MobyTurbo, nope, it wont' open |
| 07:24.06 | Ms-W0rld | whats the problem with ftp.us.debian.org!! many files are down and not found!! err |
| 07:24.11 | nextime | phorce1 : i understand, i'm lucky, i can use linux as client, i can really use what i want to use |
| 07:24.23 | sparr_ | i gave up one of my swap partitions (down to 15GB now!) to install windows to play BF2. cant wait til it works in cedega, should be soon |
| 07:24.27 | funk | MobyTurbo, oh, now that I closed Konquer it opened |
| 07:24.36 | phorce1 | funk: have you typed 'mount' at the command line to see if it's somehow mounted somewhere (like by automounter) |
| 07:24.40 | babyseal | yeah ... everyone is allowed to use windows :D |
| 07:24.46 | ArtistAgent | sometimes the cd drives can act a little weird with mounting |
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| 07:24.55 | wobbler | funk try /usr/bin/eject and see if that works |
| 07:25.14 | MobyTurbo | funk: konqueror must have been accessing it, so it refused to umount |
| 07:25.17 | babyseal | ArtistAgent, on my laptop the cd led is always on ... dunno why ... but it workds :) |
| 07:25.42 | ArtistAgent | that is probably an auto mount set on your system babyseal. very convenient :) |
| 07:26.18 | phorce1 | nextime: I'm slowly converting all of the server hardware to linux (when I can brak a Winbox in a way the boss can't figure it out <grin>). We'll end up mostly linux up here in the end. He's stuck on OutBreak for a mail client for work use though. |
| 07:26.34 | ArtistAgent | babyseal everyone IS allowed to use windows! HA HA HA ......for a small fee lol! |
| 07:26.37 | funk | MobyTurbo, ok I think I've gotten the hang of this now. Thanks. |
| 07:27.23 | phorce1 | nextime: personally, I use a win port of Mahogany connected to my own IMAP server on an oddball port for my email |
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| 07:27.48 | nextime | phorce1 : in my office, i'm the boss, so, we are 100% m$ clean at work :) |
| 07:28.14 | ArtistAgent | no no seriously windows is good for some applications. I prefer to have a few dist.'s of windows handy always |
| 07:28.59 | MobyTurbo | ArtistAgent: windows is good for running games, but that's only because more software makers make windows games |
| 07:29.38 | nextime | ArtistAgent : like any other situation, anything can be good or bad, it depend in what you really need |
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| 07:29.58 | MobyTurbo | ArtistAgent: oh, photoshop, but you can run that on a Mac. |
| 07:30.19 | ArtistAgent | photoshop has been blown away if you ask me by the gimp |
| 07:30.25 | ArtistAgent | but i do agree with you |
| 07:30.51 | MobyTurbo | ArtistAgent: the gimp is better now? |
| 07:30.58 | ArtistAgent | I think so |
| 07:31.01 | phorce1 | nextime: He wants me to switch us to IMAP for our customer support email and I refuse so long as he insists that we use Outlook. MS does IMAP in a BAD way. IMAP is server side and the stupid thing still wants to download every message to the local box to work with them. We have boxes that have 10K+ spams that have to be reviewed sometimes. That would kill Outlook in a heartbeat. Pull them in through POP3 over the Gig ethernet and it survives. |
| 07:31.15 | ArtistAgent | i really do |
| 07:31.21 | ArtistAgent | and i use it ALOT |
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| 07:32.14 | phorce1 | nextime: (pull them daily through POP3 by whoever is on duty -- so they don't reach 10K+ that is) |
| 07:32.27 | sparr_ | phorce1: 10K+ IS daily for some people |
| 07:32.31 | nextime | phorce1 : i use postfix + dbmail, dbmail for imap and pop3 with and without ssl, and i have many client oe, it work great |
| 07:32.32 | ArtistAgent | sorry if i seem a little biased but ive used adobe illustrator, paintshop pro, etc. though illustrator and paintshop are kind of apples and oranges |
| 07:32.58 | sparr_ | gimp is slowly progressing from PSP level to PS level |
| 07:33.02 | simonrvn | gimp has improved a lot over the last year or so. rather impressive |
| 07:33.03 | sparr_ | and it has surpassed PS in some respects |
| 07:33.09 | sparr_ | but it still has a lot of weaknesses |
| 07:33.11 | ArtistAgent | i actually only really use windows for audio and music recording and production |
| 07:33.12 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 07:33.17 | sparr_ | the UI is horrible |
| 07:33.18 | simonrvn | on both points |
| 07:33.25 | simonrvn | gimpshop ;p |
| 07:33.37 | sparr_ | ever try to do something as simple as draw a straight line? |
| 07:33.49 | simonrvn | hold down shift key |
| 07:33.52 | sparr_ | once someone told me how it was simple, but theres no way anyone could figure it out on their own |
| 07:33.56 | ArtistAgent | what do you mean sparr |
| 07:33.59 | babyseal | *cries an ocean* ... they nailed my face to the past and $jokergirl is not here :( |
| 07:34.02 | sparr_ | or, better yet, draw a rectangle |
| 07:34.09 | sparr_ | ArtistAgent: draw a rectangle in gimp |
| 07:34.14 | ArtistAgent | what are you talking about man |
| 07:34.17 | simonrvn | i always used the marquee tool |
| 07:34.20 | phorce1 | nextime: I have Postfix+courier IMAP/POP3. We have 143 firewalled to outside but have Squirrelmail set up for webmail. We have too many clients who keep their boxes near full and OE is horrible with IMAP folders that have a lot of messages. |
| 07:34.21 | MobyTurbo | babyseal: huh? |
| 07:34.21 | sparr_ | im talking about a plain old rectangle |
| 07:34.23 | sparr_ | 4 lines |
| 07:34.24 | simonrvn | still do |
| 07:34.26 | sparr_ | right angles |
| 07:34.33 | tarzeau | !seen streuner |
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| 07:34.44 | sparr_ | maybe its a frame, maybe its a textbox, who cares. its a rectangle. how would you draw it in gimp? |
| 07:34.55 | simonrvn | ps wasn't any better at that than gimp is |
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| 07:34.56 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: dpkg is dead |
| 07:34.59 | babyseal | MobyTurbo, bill gates just crossed my way and sait horrible things about worlds without gates and windows :( |
| 07:35.10 | sparr_ | simonrvn: yes, it was. PS has tools to draw lines and shapes |
| 07:35.16 | ArtistAgent | ok simoryn and sparr check it out create a path to do this you hit the "b" button you create two points the prog connects them for you then you go to the edit menu and hit "stroke path" |
| 07:35.19 | simonrvn | dude, you're picking on the wrong things, that easily solvable |
| 07:35.24 | sparr_ | ArtistAgent: yep, i know. |
| 07:35.24 | ArtistAgent | simple as that |
| 07:35.27 | sparr_ | simple |
| 07:35.29 | sparr_ | but obtuse as hell |
| 07:35.31 | markit | hi :) where is it stored the name/domain that is displayed at login? I've "localhost.localdomain" now, even if in /etc/hostname I've another name :( |
| 07:35.36 | Specialist | babyseal: am sure that bill gates gonna be mad in a few years |
| 07:35.38 | sparr_ | no way normal users will figure that out on their own |
| 07:35.39 | babyseal | hmmm /etc/init.d/samba stop and it doesn't stop ... ?! |
| 07:35.41 | tarzeau | apt seen streuner |
| 07:35.41 | apt | streuner <foobar@p54A5D3A7.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 47d 1m 57s ago, saying: '!rpm'. |
| 07:35.48 | ArtistAgent | i did |
| 07:35.51 | phorce1 | nextime: Just had to rebuild that mail server from memory over the last 3 weeks. Double hardware failure. Got a bad batch of hard drives in the servers we bought 8 months ago. Had 4 fail in under 2 days. Including both the primary AND backup for the mail server. |
| 07:35.53 | sparr_ | i go to sleep now, gimp has tired me out |
| 07:35.53 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: thanks. how are you? |
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| 07:36.03 | babyseal | Specialist, how great is that! |
| 07:36.11 | Specialist | :) |
| 07:36.28 | furrywolf | eh? to draw a line in gimp, pick a paint tool, click the starting point, and shift-click the ending point. to draw a rectangle, use the rectangle select and stroke selection. am I missing something here? |
| 07:36.29 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: fine |
| 07:36.29 | ArtistAgent | lol not tryin to argue but i have quite a bit of experience with computer graphics and arts |
| 07:36.48 | babyseal | Specialist, already now he is starting to implement rectangle drawing functions into the kernel |
| 07:36.49 | nextime | phorce1 : yup, oe is really slow with large imap mailbox, this sound true. I use ilohamail on imap as a webmail, oe users consider ilohamail "a web based oe like client, really friendly" |
| 07:36.54 | simonrvn | furrywolf: no, not at all |
| 07:36.58 | markit | hi nextime :) |
| 07:37.01 | ArtistAgent | yeah its pretty simple furrywolf |
| 07:37.05 | ArtistAgent | :) |
| 07:37.06 | nextime | hi markit |
| 07:37.11 | Specialist | babyseal: yea on windows neptune |
| 07:37.13 | furrywolf | so what is the debate, then? :) |
| 07:37.25 | NeoXan | mh, i need a good browser.. is there anything better then firefox? |
| 07:37.32 | furrywolf | NeoXan: Dillo |
| 07:37.36 | tarzeau | NeoXan: yeah soon, there will be a browser.app |
| 07:37.42 | tarzeau | NeoXan: until then, there's links2 -g |
| 07:37.43 | simonrvn | furrywolf: someone seemed to not have figured it out yet. |
| 07:37.44 | Specialist | NeoXan: firefox is cool |
| 07:38.02 | ArtistAgent | lol simonrvn |
| 07:38.03 | babyseal | Specialist, even my god thinks he can't differ jesus from crowly |
| 07:38.07 | furrywolf | dillo > links2. :) |
| 07:38.20 | Specialist | NeoXan: stop ctco version me. kthx. |
| 07:38.25 | Specialist | ctcp* |
| 07:38.38 | phorce1 | nextime: I wanted to work in some of the spamassassin user prefs available through the amavid-new install and squirrelmail is very configurable. Plus I've got pretty much everything going into MySQL databases now except the actual maildirs |
| 07:38.40 | NeoXan | this feature is there for being used :P |
| 07:38.41 | simonrvn | sunday is right on time it seems... |
| 07:38.54 | ArtistAgent | yep why cant it wait a bit? |
| 07:39.01 | simonrvn | NeoXan: yeh, with respect |
| 07:39.06 | Specialist | NeoXan: use it on yrself then. it pisses me |
| 07:39.44 | ArtistAgent | weve got a pissed one! |
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| 07:39.53 | _ad_ | simple question guys :-) what do I have to do so that my /tmp directory doesn't get cleaned always at boot time? |
| 07:39.54 | Specialist | :P |
| 07:40.14 | Specialist | damn u NeoXan |
| 07:40.15 | furrywolf | _ad_: don't put stuff in /tmp you don't want cleaned? :) |
| 07:40.16 | Specialist | lol |
| 07:40.22 | MobyTurbo | @u |
| 07:40.28 | _ad_ | eheh furrywolf :-) |
| 07:40.39 | _ad_ | i will remember that one :-) |
| 07:40.48 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep. :) |
| 07:40.49 | MobyTurbo | darned, who killed all the bots? |
| 07:40.53 | simonrvn | 'night |
| 07:40.55 | _ad_ | and what is the second best solution? |
| 07:40.58 | furrywolf | cyas simonrvn |
| 07:40.59 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 07:41.03 | nextime | phorce1 : i use postfix with users on mysql, dbmail on mysql as a storage, and spamassassin&clamd are executed from an "amavis like" little python filter that i made from scratch, with config from database |
| 07:41.03 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:41.04 | ArtistAgent | night furrywolf |
| 07:41.05 | NeoXan | CTCP VERSION recieved from Specialist |
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| 07:41.28 | Specialist | anti-ctcp-addon :P |
| 07:41.30 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 07:41.44 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 07:41.50 | simonrvn | fixed |
| 07:41.51 | zankudox | hola |
| 07:41.54 | MobyTurbo | @test2 |
| 07:41.55 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
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| 07:42.01 | simonrvn | @u |
| 07:42.01 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 07:42.26 | MobyTurbo | great, at least ravenbird is working |
| 07:42.34 | _ad_ | re |
| 07:42.37 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 07:42.39 | babyseal | oh sweeeeeet! a bot! *g* |
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| 07:42.55 | simonrvn | babyseal: abuse it, and i'll tell it to ignore you |
| 07:43.07 | Phated | Go go gadget simonrvn. |
| 07:43.09 | phorce1 | nextime: I want to get all of the SA userprefs available to the users at some point but I'll have to write a custom interface. I could drop the processing power needed by the scanner a lot if I could use clamd |
| 07:43.13 | ArtistAgent | forgive my ignorance what is the purpose of this ravenbird |
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| 07:43.17 | ArtistAgent | bod |
| 07:43.20 | ArtistAgent | bot |
| 07:43.23 | Specialist | NeoXan: iam not real good with kids play. does a 100mbps connection packet be good for that? |
| 07:43.25 | babyseal | *looking for someone to be petted* |
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| 07:43.52 | qwertz_ | Hi! What is the best/correct way to delete mails from exim? just rm from /var/spool/exim4/imput? |
| 07:43.56 | ArtistAgent | hell its another one for your collection! |
| 07:43.59 | bob2 | no |
| 07:44.00 | NeoXan | Ddos is lame :) |
| 07:44.02 | bob2 | use the exim command |
| 07:44.17 | ArtistAgent | so is kphone |
| 07:44.18 | ArtistAgent | lol |
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| 07:44.35 | furrywolf | heh. I guess I can stay up a few more minutes. but I'm half asleep. :) |
| 07:44.40 | furrywolf | babyseal: furry? |
| 07:45.03 | furrywolf | (not as in having fur... the other meaning of furry) |
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| 07:45.12 | ArtistAgent | shit guys get a room |
| 07:45.19 | ArtistAgent | lol |
| 07:45.20 | babyseal | lol ;)) |
| 07:45.24 | Sazpaimon_ | is there a deb package for gdb that works with mips? |
| 07:45.28 | nextime | phorce1 : i know your problem, i have userprefs for SA and others things on a custom "mail administration interface" |
| 07:45.28 | simonrvn | oh ffs, grow up ArtistAgent |
| 07:45.33 | Sazpaimon_ | or will I need to compile gdb? |
| 07:45.34 | NeoXan | you guys know how to unpack *.7z files? |
| 07:45.39 | ArtistAgent | i think he meant yes furrywolf |
| 07:45.42 | ArtistAgent | :) |
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| 07:46.14 | ArtistAgent | im just givven yall crap all in good spirit |
| 07:46.33 | NeoXan | mh |
| 07:47.00 | Sazpaimon_ | because if I do have to compile gdb what arguments do I need to use |
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| 07:47.20 | babyseal | furrywolf, even not from the cuddelyest ones :( |
| 07:47.21 | silensius | i have this in fstab " /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ext3 rw,user " the user can't unmount why |
| 07:47.25 | phorce1 | nextime: I was starting to investigate it when the mail box went down hard. Had to slap it back together fast from memory and about 7 HOWTOs that all vary slightly in implementation and database layouts (I'm VERY weak in SQL knowledge). Now I have to re-document it and start over |
| 07:47.31 | simonrvn | Sazpaimon_: apt-get install gdb doesn't work? |
| 07:47.33 | furrywolf | NeoXan: STOP IT |
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| 07:47.45 | ArtistAgent | yes NeoXan |
| 07:47.52 | Sazpaimon_ | the gdb I have doesnt seem to work with MIPS dumps |
| 07:48.03 | Sazpaimon_ | I thought there may be a special version |
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| 07:48.18 | babyseal | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Harbour_seal.jpg <- furrywolf that me :D |
| 07:48.25 | Phated | furrywolf: Liar. |
| 07:48.27 | simonrvn | silensius: missing some arguments from that line, if that's the whole line |
| 07:48.29 | nextime | phorce1 : good luck, it's a very annoying work, i know. |
| 07:48.40 | cat | hey i have a digital camara but i can't see the images with gtkam or anything is there something wrong? with it? i'm using usb to see the images |
| 07:48.53 | furrywolf | Phated: ? |
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| 07:49.10 | simonrvn | @ops NeoXan keeps CTCP VERSIONing people |
| 07:49.10 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NeoXan keeps CTCP VERSIONing people |
| 07:49.21 | simonrvn | NeoXan: bugger off shit-for-brains |
| 07:49.32 | ArtistAgent | @ops word to what simonrvn said |
| 07:49.32 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: word to what simonrvn said |
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| 07:49.45 | Phated | furrywolf: You've petted plenty of strangers before. |
| 07:49.47 | bob2 | once is plenty |
| 07:49.52 | simonrvn | ArtistAgent: don't abuse that |
| 07:49.53 | Sazpaimon_ | why doint you just put put NeoXan on ctcp ignore |
| 07:49.54 | furrywolf | cat: are you sure it's not just a usb mass storage device, that you can mount and copy the images off of? |
| 07:50.03 | furrywolf | Phated: nah. I normally poke, not pet. :P |
| 07:50.04 | silensius | Simonrvn : it's the line /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ext3 rw,user 0 0 |
| 07:50.05 | bob2 | NeoXan: plese don't do that |
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| 07:50.10 | NeoXan | OK |
| 07:50.15 | NeoXan | no problem :) |
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| 07:50.25 | Phated | furrywolf: Don't make me ask FieldySnuts for logs. |
| 07:50.48 | furrywolf | Phated: feel free to do so. you can paste them in the morning. right now I need sleep. :P |
| 07:51.00 | simonrvn | silensius: i'd suggest adding noauto so the user can mount it, or add uid= with the right uid number |
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| 07:51.20 | silensius | ok |
| 07:51.35 | Sazpaimon_ | simonrvn, gdb from apt-get doesnt work with mips, I just tried it now |
| 07:51.59 | simonrvn | silensius: the former allows for more than one user, but 'user' - like the man page says *hinthint* - only that user can unmount it. see 'mount' command to see who mounted it |
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| 07:52.17 | NeoXan | hi Friedenspanzer :) |
| 07:52.31 | ArtistAgent | well folks as always a pleasure and an honor to speak with you all. have a wonderful night i must get to work :) bbl |
| 07:52.37 | phorce1 | nextime: At least the crash gave me the chance to move the spam/virus duties to a separate server. Been after the boss for weeks to clear one for it. When the machine went down I told him at first it was because the disks were over-stressed (and he believed me). Cleared up a lot of random POP3 and SMTP drops that were happening though (the disks WERE overstressed -- but that didn't kill THEM, just killed performance) |
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| 07:52.52 | simonrvn | NeoXan: fucking luser. you are now ignored |
| 07:52.59 | NeoXan | lol |
| 07:53.05 | simonrvn | 03:51 NeoXan (~NeoXan@p508B4E64.dip.t-dialin.net) requested CTCP VERSION from simonrvn: |
| 07:53.10 | NeoXan | lol |
| 07:53.10 | simonrvn | and 15 more of those |
| 07:53.10 | NeoXan | lol |
| 07:53.37 | NeoXan | booring o0 |
| 07:53.44 | ArtistAgent | fuck man if your not going to respect the channel pissoff |
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| 07:54.01 | NeoXan | i do respect you all lol |
| 07:54.06 | MobyTurbo | @ops NeoXan is asking to be kicked |
| 07:54.06 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NeoXan is asking to be kicked |
| 07:54.11 | NeoXan | thats just a ctcp |
| 07:54.30 | ArtistAgent | yes it is we all know that |
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| 07:54.52 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 07:54.55 | ArtistAgent | but you have been asked multiple times not to and are blatantly ignoring that |
| 07:55.01 | MobyTurbo | bob2: thanks |
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| 07:55.34 | Phated | peterS! |
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| 07:55.49 | phorce1 | he hit me 6 times but irssi dumps them into another window so I don't usually notice |
| 07:56.11 | MobyTurbo | it's hopefully over with now |
| 07:56.12 | simonrvn | he did it a good 30 times here |
| 07:56.24 | Phated | peterS: You eyesight grows worse, methinks. |
| 07:56.29 | simonrvn | 22 |
| 07:56.32 | peterS | Phated: it does. I'm an old man. |
| 07:56.40 | ArtistAgent | i think my xchat blocks it because it told me he was flooding me but i didnt feel a thing past the first 5 or so it seemd lol |
| 07:56.42 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
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| 07:56.52 | simonrvn | heh, 30-odd is not old |
| 07:56.52 | phorce1 | simonrvn: because you said something about it <grin> I tend to ignore assholes |
| 07:57.03 | peterS | simonrvn: it is when you're talking to someone approximately half that |
| 07:57.06 | Phated | simonrvn: Yesitis. |
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| 07:57.43 | simonrvn | yeh yeh whateva ;p |
| 07:57.52 | MobyTurbo | @sunday |
| 07:57.53 | ravenbird | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:58.05 | ArtistAgent | man dude has got to be like 13 |
| 07:58.06 | peterS | it is a sunday, isn't it? |
| 07:58.12 | simonrvn | yeh, i should be working on my new site |
| 07:58.17 | ArtistAgent | yep peterS |
| 07:58.33 | peterS | I've got about 3 things I should be working on that I've put off for *weeks*. doh. |
| 07:58.34 | simonrvn | spent all day today cleaning up the blog posts |
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| 07:59.57 | ArtistAgent | i must be back to work as well folks take care and god bless |
| 08:00.00 | ArtistAgent | bbl |
| 08:00.03 | phorce1 | Any documentation on building a custom Debian install CD to re-install a box very quickly with all the packages it currently has then copy /etc and other needed folders back from a networked backup? |
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| 08:00.47 | phorce1 | hmm -- I came in here 2 hours ago to ask a specific question and I'll be darned if I can remember what it was now |
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| 08:01.49 | phorce1 | Oh yeah -- also, any documentation on switching from an non-initrd kernel to an initrd kernel? I want to upgrade a sparc box i have from 2.4.26 to 2.4.27 and the Debian 2.4.27 kernel package is initrd |
| 08:02.00 | ciga | I'd like to build my sarge system from source optimized for my cpu. how would a security update be happen? |
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| 08:03.21 | MobyTurbo | ciga: subscribe to the debian security announce list and download the source debs mentioned in the announcement. |
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| 08:03.47 | ciga | MobyTurbo: so I have to compile the security updates by hand, right? |
| 08:03.58 | MobyTurbo | ciga: I'm not sure |
| 08:04.07 | peterS | phorce1: don't know what the silo config files look like. most boot loaders have a pretty straightforward 'initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.27-whatever' line you put somewhere |
| 08:04.14 | phorce1 | ciga: Custom compiling everything will probably not gain you more than microseconds. If you really want to do that you should probably consider using gentoo which is designed for that ability |
| 08:04.52 | MobyTurbo | actually, for certain scientific packages, Debian even provides Pentium 4 libraries. |
| 08:04.54 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yeah, you can get much more dramatic speedups by prelinking, which is *so* much simpler and faster than compiling everything from source |
| 08:04.59 | MobyTurbo | (sse2) |
| 08:05.09 | phorce1 | peterS: I have silo figured out -- I can't figure out how to make the new kernel actually WORK though. Something is missing from the initrd. It boots but devices are missing. |
| 08:05.27 | peterS | phorce1: oh. mkinitrd from initrd-tools is supposed to be pretty clever, but I suppose it's not always bug-free |
| 08:05.53 | peterS | phorce1: I used to have access to a sun ultra 1, but I don't anymore, so I suspect I can't really help you further |
| 08:06.06 | dmg | In http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/07/msg00309.html , Daniel Stone writes that he's just put a beta set of xorg packages "in the usual place". Where is this "usual place"? |
| 08:06.30 | ciga | experimental? |
| 08:06.31 | dmg | (I'm looking because there's no xserver-xorg for sparc at the moment due to FTBFS issues) |
| 08:06.34 | peterS | dmg: possibly ubuntu breezy |
| 08:06.35 | Phated | If you have to ask, you're not authorised to know. ;) |
| 08:06.38 | dmg | hmm... |
| 08:06.39 | peterS | dmg: he's the ubuntu X guy |
| 08:06.46 | phorce1 | peterS: I have an Ultra1 and an Ultra2(clone) running here -- and 2 more Ultra1's gathering dust for the moment |
| 08:06.54 | peterS | dmg: but why not just use david nusinow's xorg packages in unstable? |
| 08:07.13 | peterS | Phated: that's the other answer |
| 08:07.16 | dmg | peterS: no sparc packages |
| 08:07.31 | dmg | that's one of the things daniel fixed |
| 08:07.31 | peterS | dmg: really? they should autobuild like everything else |
| 08:07.34 | peterS | ahh |
| 08:07.36 | dmg | FTBFS issues |
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| 08:08.20 | peterS | yeah, I knew -3 had some FTBFS issues but I didn't remember hearing they affected sparc, and david fixed them in -4 anyway |
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| 08:09.14 | _blue | does debian support ksh? |
| 08:09.22 | _blue | probably so, just checking |
| 08:09.23 | peterS | _blue: ksh88, pdksh, or ksh93? |
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| 08:09.39 | peterS | _blue: yes to pdksh and ksh93, no to ksh88, but bash is similar to ksh88 |
| 08:09.50 | peterS | and pdksh is even more similar to ksh88 |
| 08:09.57 | _blue | ksh93 |
| 08:09.59 | phorce1 | peterS: Have the ultra2 serving my personal web stuff and plan to make the ultra1 into a mailing list server for a couple of groups I'm in. They both have about a gig of RAM and 18G drives and I got them cheap. Good workhorses. |
| 08:10.06 | _blue | peterS: thanks... |
| 08:10.14 | peterS | _blue: apt-get install ksh |
| 08:10.17 | peterS | _blue: that's ksh93 |
| 08:10.38 | _blue | thinking of settingup a NFS, Samba, ssh, and webserver on an old box w/ debian sid |
| 08:10.45 | peterS | phorce1: yeah, those are good if they have enough memory. less so if you get 'em with like 128 MB |
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| 08:10.54 | _blue | need to experiment w/ ksh to get me started |
| 08:11.07 | _blue | some basic cross platform admin skill |
| 08:11.16 | peterS | _blue: honestly, for most shell uses, your exact shell doesn't matter much. debian has almost half a dozen posix-compatible shells |
| 08:11.36 | peterS | _blue: dash, posh, bash, ksh, pdksh and I'm forgetting one more |
| 08:11.53 | Danar | i just made an image of a disc with dd, but it's less than 1Mb. but when i mount it, it's 7Gb. wtf? |
| 08:12.01 | _blue | peterS: LOL, this chan's reputation is way over-rated man, that was helpful |
| 08:12.01 | peterS | oh yeah, zsh, but there's still one more, I think |
| 08:12.02 | phorce1 | peterS: I'm slowly gathering 128M sticks so I can max them all out. The RAM is still hard to get cheap. I don't know what people are doing with the stuff when the boxes die -- it should be plentiful for machines this old. |
| 08:12.38 | peterS | phorce1: for some reason I'm thinking those things used PC100. I'm probably mistaken |
| 08:12.58 | phorce1 | peterS: Nope -- Sun RAM configuration. |
| 08:13.08 | peterS | phorce1: also, sparcs *don't* die. they're unix boxes, they're built to last. the memory won't outlast the rest of the machine (: |
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| 08:13.36 | Danar | why would dd result in an image that's smaller than the disc? and how the heck does 7Gb fit in a 1Mb file? |
| 08:13.59 | peterS | Danar: details, man, details. how exactly did you invoke dd, etc. |
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| 08:14.29 | Danar | petemc: dd if=/dev/dvd of=/mnt/path/to/file.iso |
| 08:14.30 | phorce1 | peterS: No, they die. That's where I got some of the RAM and why I got these cheap. I bought a pallet of 15 machines and only 5 survived. I have STACKS of 32M RAM sticks from the dead machines that all tested good. |
| 08:14.31 | Specialist | How to unzip a file with extension .rar? |
| 08:14.39 | _ad_ | unrar e filename |
| 08:14.43 | peterS | Specialist: install 'unrar' or 'unrar-free' |
| 08:14.48 | peterS | Specialist: then run 'unrar e filename.rar' |
| 08:15.16 | Danar | er, peterS, sorry |
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| 08:15.59 | _blue | phorce1: DUDE, anything nonddr is hard to find |
| 08:16.01 | _blue | and expensive |
| 08:16.49 | peterS | Danar: dd 'if=a of=b' is not really any better than 'cp a b', just for your information |
| 08:17.10 | peterS | Danar: I'm not sure why it would fail to copy the whole image - some CDs will do that to you but I am not aware that DVDs will |
| 08:17.24 | Danar | peterS: how's that? it _did_result in an iso... |
| 08:17.26 | phorce1 | _blue: I'll be satisfied when I get the 2 Ultra's I have plans for up to 1G in the Ultra1 and 2G in the Ultra2 |
| 08:18.03 | _blue | phorce1: these are industry centric servers? |
| 08:18.20 | phorce1 | _blue: No, toys <grin> |
| 08:18.26 | peterS | Danar: and if you mount the dvd as a udf filesystem, 'df' shows 7 GB rather than whatever you got for your image file? |
| 08:18.57 | Danar | peterS: er, woops. hold on |
| 08:19.00 | _blue | phorce1: LOL, easier to just spend 150 on a new athlon64 3000+ mobo and cpu combo and 1GB ram |
| 08:19.03 | phorce1 | _blue: My personal web serevr and the other planned for a mailing list server for a couple of private groups and mail for may personal domains |
| 08:19.04 | _blue | probably faster too |
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| 08:19.46 | Whisky_ | where does Kaffeine require the WIN32 codecs to be ? |
| 08:19.53 | _blue | phorce1: nice... |
| 08:20.46 | phorce1 | _blue: But I'd have to "keep an eye" on a new machine wondering if all the subsystems would stay stable. I'd have to spend a lot more than $150 to get something built as solid as these old boxes. Fast CPU is not required for the tasks they are being used for. |
| 08:20.49 | babyseal | Whisky_, in a whiskey glass ;)) |
| 08:20.56 | Whisky_ | babyseal, :) |
| 08:21.30 | _blue | phorce1: heh, agreed, you need some pci-e scsi controllers and 4GB ecc ram |
| 08:21.31 | _blue | LOL |
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| 08:21.45 | phorce1 | babyseal: no, Drambuie, straight from the bottle. |
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| 08:22.04 | meneg | is there a way to search for packages that depend on a package? |
| 08:22.32 | Danar | peterS: ah, i had an i/o error reading the disc. hadn't noticed. i also had mounted it as iso9660 :/ |
| 08:22.57 | peterS | Danar: it seems DVDs will often mount as either udf or iso9660 |
| 08:23.19 | Danar | peterS: well, i was mounting the iso, not the drive |
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| 08:23.37 | cat | any ideas why i get this error with gtkam Could not list folders in '/'. |
| 08:23.38 | cat | An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'): Could not claim interface 0 (Operation not permitted). Make sure no other program or kernel module (such as sdc2xx, stv680, spca50x) is using the device and you have read/write access to the device. |
| 08:24.10 | phorce1 | _blue: I think my next toy will be a dual opteron mobo (with one CPU to start) with a bunch of SATA drives stripe RAIDed for speed so I can more easily process raw video from my MiniDV camera (3.xxMeg/sec transfer rate to dump the raw video stream) |
| 08:24.29 | _blue | as opposed to scsi? |
| 08:24.35 | _blue | i mean if you have the cash |
| 08:24.49 | phorce1 | _blue: A single IDE drive just can't take it. |
| 08:24.56 | cat | any ideas why this error? |
| 08:24.56 | phorce1 | _blue: SATA for the price |
| 08:25.03 | _blue | phorce1: obviously... |
| 08:25.12 | peterS | phorce1: a single IDE drive can sustain like 40 MB/s these days. that's an order of magnitude greater than what you just said |
| 08:25.15 | _blue | oh...which is why i asked |
| 08:25.37 | _blue | if you have the money, why not scsi |
| 08:25.58 | Danar | my drive has hit higher than 40MB/s, but usually slows down after a bit to about half that |
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| 08:26.18 | _blue | Danar: we are talking real time speeds here |
| 08:26.40 | toresbe | peterS: Process, not stream at 1x :) |
| 08:26.52 | Danar | i do have an 8MB cache though |
| 08:26.56 | phorce1 | peterS: I'm not sure what the issue is then -- because my 200G drive munches between 5 and 20 minutes into a raw transfer with nothing else running. And I've surface scanned it more than once (that's a days long job) |
| 08:27.03 | toresbe | peterS: at debconf, we were editing 3MB/s DV streams and the bottleneck was the disk :P |
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| 08:27.16 | cougar` | Hello all |
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| 08:27.38 | peterS | toresbe: oh, a reasonable editing pipeline is significantly faster than that? |
| 08:28.26 | phorce1 | _blue: My Volkswagens eat a bit of my "spare" cash as well -- have to juggle between old cars and tech toys. |
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| 08:28.52 | _blue | heh, i have my eye on only one car right now |
| 08:28.56 | _blue | the corolla XRS |
| 08:29.01 | peterS | toresbe: good job, btw, getting all those videos out there. I've only watched a few of them so far |
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| 08:29.10 | toresbe | peterS: thanks :) |
| 08:29.35 | peterS | toresbe: an average of maybe 3 videos per day seem interesting to me, but there were a lot of days (: |
| 08:29.37 | _blue | 180HP with a tight little suspension and its so light... |
| 08:29.41 | toresbe | peterS: I've made sacrifices for that. I come home, and I find I've developed a sensible sleep pattern from getting up at 8AM to film all those talks :( |
| 08:29.54 | toresbe | phorce1: very slowly, I presume :P |
| 08:29.55 | peterS | ha |
| 08:30.15 | simonrvn | you can't get a decent sleep pattern *now* ;p |
| 08:30.30 | peterS | phorce1: yeah, talk to toresbe about *computers* older than 30 years |
| 08:30.34 | nagual | simonrvn: you do nlp? |
| 08:30.50 | phorce1 | toresbe: the only car I have newer than 30 years old is my '97 Chevy truck. If I can get a '71 VW double cab in good shape it goes away too. |
| 08:31.03 | simonrvn | no. why would i bother |
| 08:31.21 | nagual | you know what nlp is then? |
| 08:31.34 | peterS | natural language processing? |
| 08:31.38 | nagual | no |
| 08:31.45 | simonrvn | yes. tried it once, i didn't see the point |
| 08:31.47 | nagual | but i guessed thats how you interpreted it. |
| 08:31.50 | peterS | s/processing/parsing/? |
| 08:32.11 | nagual | define: has two different choices now, i was talking about the other :) |
| 08:32.47 | peterS | nude linux programming? |
| 08:32.57 | simonrvn | already do *that* ;p |
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| 08:33.24 | nagual | no, nlp has more to do with how your brain handles information. |
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| 08:33.32 | peterS | non-linear panhandling? |
| 08:33.48 | Danar | uh, can k3b not make an image from a dvd? i don't see how... |
| 08:33.49 | peterS | neolinguistic paradigm? |
| 08:34.03 | nagual | haha |
| 08:34.08 | MobyTurbo | peterS: what's "linear panhandling", when people have to stand in line to give a beggar money? |
| 08:34.09 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:34.16 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yes. |
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| 08:34.36 | toresbe | linear paralell panhandling would make a beggar rich |
| 08:35.07 | cat | Could not list folders in '/'. An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'): Could not claim interface 0 (Operation not permitted). Make sure no other program or kernel module (such as sdc2xx, stv680, spca50x) is using the device and you have read/write access to the device. |
| 08:35.11 | Danar | nvm, got it |
| 08:35.14 | cat | any one knows why? with gtkam |
| 08:35.23 | toresbe | Anyone know how much coffee one has to put in a coffee press? |
| 08:35.38 | MobyTurbo | toresbe: how can it be both linear and parallel? |
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| 08:35.51 | toresbe | MobyTurbo: That's the beggar's challenge |
| 08:35.58 | phorce1 | toresbe: personal choice. Enough to make it to your liking. Experiment |
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| 08:36.07 | kl3 | anyone knows how can i know how many proces i have runing now? |
| 08:36.09 | toresbe | phorce1: what's a sensible choice? :P |
| 08:36.13 | MobyTurbo | toresbe: you seem to be begging the question |
| 08:36.14 | cat | kl3, ps x |
| 08:36.15 | peterS | hmm, nlp == nubile little pha-- |
| 08:36.15 | peterS | nah. |
| 08:36.27 | toresbe | MobyTurbo: *groan* |
| 08:36.30 | kl3 | cat ok |
| 08:36.38 | phorce1 | toresbe: I'm a bad person to ask -- I make my coffee thick enough to eat with a fork. ;) |
| 08:36.50 | toresbe | phorce1: Okay, tell me that so I can subtract ;) |
| 08:37.48 | toresbe | phorce1: I don't want to be off by an order of magnitude :P |
| 08:37.54 | phorce1 | toresbe: In a 32oz press I put about a inch to 1.5 inches of coffee in the bottom |
| 08:38.02 | cat | Could not list folders in '/'. An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'): Could not claim interface 0 (Operation not permitted). Make sure no other program or kernel module (such as sdc2xx, stv680, spca50x) is using the device and you have read/write access to the device. |
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| 08:38.05 | cat | please i need help |
| 08:38.36 | dak | its telling you to load the moudle |
| 08:38.44 | cougar` | Hey |
| 08:38.45 | dak | and do you have permission to read ? |
| 08:38.46 | kl3 | cat do u know how can i see the users i have on my system? |
| 08:39.00 | cat | kl3, w |
| 08:39.02 | phorce1 | toresbe: probably between 1/4 and 1/2 cup. -- ho long you steep it also makes a difference in strength. I leave that about 20 minutes rather than the 5 to 10 suggested. |
| 08:39.04 | dak | kl3 the ones on or all them ? |
| 08:39.20 | kl3 | dak all of them if posible |
| 08:39.36 | dak | cat /etc/passwd |
| 08:39.46 | cougar` | I keep getting a DHCP probe I think every second to one my internal machines. My router/firewall is looging this. This is occuring every 14-15 seconds |
| 08:39.47 | cougar` | Jul 24 04:39:20 mercury IN-world: IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:10:5a:a4:58:62:00:01:5c:22:31:c2:08:00 SRC=61.233.40.169 DST=68.45.214.101 LEN=312 TOS=00 PREC=0x20 TTL=41 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=39060 DPT=1026 LEN=292 |
| 08:39.49 | peterS | you mean getent passwd |
| 08:39.52 | phorce1 | kl3: cat /etc/passwd and look at the bottom past the system accounts |
| 08:39.58 | toresbe | phorce1: ok |
| 08:40.01 | MobyTurbo | kl3: who |
| 08:40.03 | toresbe | phorce1: thanks |
| 08:40.06 | kl3 | ok |
| 08:40.14 | dak | '4 |
| 08:40.24 | simonrvn | i find real life much more useful to having your brain adapt to things easily. like try living like a beggar for a while, for instance. i wasn't 'experimenting' when i did/do, but it certainly teaches you. life is a much better teacher than some doohicky based on old defunct crap like astrology based on 2000+ old data that no longer applies, or some 'system' someone invented off of an inaccurate translation of the egyptian book of dead, or some other crap. i |
| 08:40.37 | dak | hope win4lin6 is nice |
| 08:40.48 | dddss | how can i recompile kernel? |
| 08:40.51 | toresbe | simonrvn: you lost us at "crap" |
| 08:40.57 | toresbe | kl3: Do you mean, who is logged on, or who has an account? |
| 08:41.06 | toresbe | dddss: What do you want to do? |
| 08:41.14 | dddss | enable wireless |
| 08:41.15 | kl3 | toresbe who has an acount |
| 08:41.16 | simonrvn | that's fine, some folks know what i'm talking about ;) |
| 08:41.17 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: what brought that on? |
| 08:41.22 | phorce1 | toresbe: I bought a magnetic stirrer to try to wring the most flavour/strength from the coffee that I could -- still working on that though, the stirrer beats the grounds and creates a sediment that is baby-powder fine. Pretty much impossible to filter out. |
| 08:41.32 | peterS | simonrvn: no, you literally lost us, the ircd cut off your line |
| 08:41.34 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: spur of the moment |
| 08:41.37 | toresbe | kl3: OK, then read /etc/passwd, with a command like "more" or "less" |
| 08:41.39 | simonrvn | oh, sorry |
| 08:41.57 | simonrvn | the first, or second 'crap'? |
| 08:41.58 | toresbe | dddss: You might want to use module-assistant |
| 08:42.04 | kl3 | toresbe phorce1 ok thanks >=) |
| 08:42.17 | dak | dddss http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 08:42.18 | toresbe | simonrvn: "or some other crap" |
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| 08:42.23 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:42.38 | simonrvn | "...or some other crap. i do like old things, many old things can teach you about the past, the present, and the future, but some things should be left behind" |
| 08:42.58 | toresbe | heh |
| 08:42.59 | phorce1 | peterS: Not here |
| 08:43.05 | dddss | toresbe: NET_RADIO [=y] i must do it |
| 08:43.08 | dak | thats for 2.6 and 2.4 |
| 08:43.20 | MobyTurbo | some things never grow old, but that's a topic for another channel |
| 08:43.21 | dak | dddss do you have a fm radio card ? |
| 08:43.24 | toresbe | dddss: Well... The standard Debian kernel works very nicely with wireless |
| 08:43.28 | phorce1 | I saw all of simonrvn's post -- and it's a good note on life. |
| 08:43.31 | dak | you need to get the kernel source man |
| 08:43.34 | toresbe | dak: that's not what it's for |
| 08:43.34 | dak | read the howto |
| 08:43.43 | toresbe | dddss: What card is it? |
| 08:43.44 | pusling | anyone knows status for when ftpmaster will be back up ? |
| 08:43.44 | dak | i thought it was hamradio |
| 08:43.49 | dddss | sitecom wl-113 |
| 08:43.54 | peterS | pusling: nobody expects it before Monday |
| 08:44.05 | dddss | i have problems when i compile his driver |
| 08:44.06 | peterS | pusling: after that, we don't know, but we can hope it's soon |
| 08:44.14 | pusling | peterS: okay... |
| 08:44.21 | dak | that url i pasted goes over how to do the whole kernel and the debian way |
| 08:44.30 | toresbe | dddss: Hmm... Are you sure it's not supported in the standard kernel? |
| 08:44.36 | dak | do you have the kernel headers ? |
| 08:44.43 | dak | for 2.4.27.2 |
| 08:44.57 | dak | you shouldnt be using 2.4 if you dont need it |
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| 08:45.03 | dddss | i'm newbie |
| 08:45.04 | thetron | greetings |
| 08:45.12 | dak | i know of a few remote roots for 2.4 |
| 08:45.22 | dak | just worries me |
| 08:45.25 | thetron | dddss: OMFG me too |
| 08:45.49 | dddss | dak: what u suggest me? |
| 08:45.51 | simonrvn | yeh, old versions. not current |
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| 08:45.54 | dak | kernel 2.6 |
| 08:45.58 | MobyTurbo | @u |
| 08:45.58 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:46.01 | simonrvn | (AFAWK ;) |
| 08:46.01 | dak | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 08:46.03 | dak | read that. |
| 08:46.09 | dak | the two of you |
| 08:46.13 | dddss | ok |
| 08:46.24 | dddss | i seek a thing and i find another :) |
| 08:46.31 | dak | Linux werd 2.4.29 #3 Wed Feb 2 23:25:06 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:46.33 | simonrvn | same for 2.6. your point is a bit lost ;) |
| 08:46.33 | dak | er |
| 08:46.39 | dak | 2.6.12.3? |
| 08:46.42 | dak | is the latest 2.6 |
| 08:46.59 | dak | ftp.kernel.org /pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 |
| 08:47.07 | dak | i think thats the path |
| 08:47.16 | simonrvn | phorce1: mind you, this an ideal, but i try |
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| 08:47.29 | MobyTurbo | dak: don't use unpatched vanilla 2.6 kernels |
| 08:47.41 | dak | unpatched from what |
| 08:47.55 | peterS | dak: from kernel.org he means |
| 08:48.00 | MobyTurbo | dak: unpatched to make it stable |
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| 08:48.14 | dak | why would they want patched kernels ? |
| 08:48.23 | peterS | dak: the debian kernel team does more than just throw a kernel.org tarball into a debian package. they do a lot of bugfix patching |
| 08:48.29 | phorce1 | simonrvn: It's one of the reasons for my old car fetish. Disposable society is annoying and destroying. Fix it and keep using it. |
| 08:48.30 | dak | i know |
| 08:48.34 | dak | and the howto tells them |
| 08:48.37 | dak | just get the source |
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| 08:48.42 | dak | apply the patch on their own? |
| 08:48.44 | simonrvn | phorce1: exactly |
| 08:49.16 | peterS | phorce1: you believe the pollutants put out by your old cars are less evil than the rusty metal they would contribute to a scrapyard somewhere? |
| 08:49.20 | dak | i dont use debian kernels |
| 08:49.22 | dak | dunno |
| 08:49.30 | rixth | Is anyone else experiencing lag? XChats lag meter if off the chart |
| 08:49.40 | dak | some times ill .deb it but only if its for more then 1 box |
| 08:49.40 | Phated | It's freenode. Everyone lags. |
| 08:49.45 | peterS | rixth: my lag is still on the chart, so dunno |
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| 08:50.23 | rixth | It's setteled down now. About 30 lines of messages came in at once |
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| 08:50.36 | phorce1 | peterS: My old cars pass emmissions tests (not required here but I take them for testing elsewhere) that I've watched NEW cars fail. "Fix it" doesn't mean bailing wire and bubble gum, it means fix it right. |
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| 08:51.06 | simonrvn | point is, is to minimise impact. i don't think a car can help that, but if you must have a car, should fit your needs, not your ego (SUVs only used in the city by people with a penis problem ;) |
| 08:51.28 | phorce1 | peterS: And yes, even borderline older vehicles probably emit fewre pollutants than the factories building the new ones. |
| 08:51.31 | peterS | simonrvn: eh? a lot of SUV drivers don't even have penises |
| 08:52.02 | Whisky_ | all sounds have suddenly stopped playing. Can't play any sound. KDE doesnt play sounds either and music players show that they are playing but nothing actually is. |
| 08:52.08 | MobyTurbo | peterS: most of those pick the Volvo |
| 08:52.10 | phorce1 | peterS: hehe -- absolutely right (SUV drivers) |
| 08:52.16 | simonrvn | nitpicker ;p |
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| 08:52.30 | peterS | they might still have some sort of penis problem, but not with their own, anyway |
| 08:53.08 | hcy | i have an external hdd - ext3 - which i mount in a script i made, with 'mount', not in fstab, since depending on which external devices are connected, it's assigned a different /dev/sd*1 . Why doesn't it automatically get fsck'ed when it reaches the maximum number? It gives me a warning about it, but doesn't do the fsck. How can I get it to do that automatically when it reaches the number, the same way that my root harddisk gets automatically |
| 08:53.08 | hcy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.19 | peterS | MobyTurbo: oh *dear*, that was a bad one |
| 08:53.58 | amorph | damnit, I'm trying to compile a new kernel and I'm getting an error like.. static declaration follows non-static declaration... or something, right after typing make menuconfig. anyone any ideas? maybe I'm missing something as I did a minimal installation |
| 08:54.00 | peterS | hcy: just run fsck /dev/whatever. by default, fsck will know whether it needs to run or not, and will skip it if not |
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| 08:54.20 | MobyTurbo | peterS: you think that pun was bad? You haven't seen my bad ones. |
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| 08:54.34 | simonrvn | peterS: hehehe |
| 08:54.34 | peterS | hcy: in other words, to say 'unconditionally fsck this' you'd have to pass an additional argument to fsck |
| 08:54.38 | toresbe | DEBIAN SUUUUUCKS! |
| 08:54.40 | amorph | hi guys |
| 08:54.51 | hcy | peterS: ok thanks |
| 08:54.54 | toresbe | :P |
| 08:55.04 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: oy |
| 08:55.09 | simonrvn | @lart MobyTurbo |
| 08:55.11 | peterS | phorce1: yeah, 10 miles is tolerable for a bicycle. a bit annoying if you have to do it every day, but it can be done. |
| 08:55.20 | amorph | whats the state of play with unstable? I'm seeing alot of msgs that packages cant be verified from debian.org.uk |
| 08:56.04 | peterS | amorph: unstable is very unstable right now. the message you're getting is more likely to do with signature verifications, which is a new feature with apt 0.6. I haven't upgraded apt to 0.6 yet, so I haven't tried this stuff |
| 08:56.17 | amorph | oh |
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| 08:56.22 | phorce1 | peterS: I didn't say anything about changing the 3/4 day shifts <grin> |
| 08:56.29 | peterS | phorce1: hey, that works then |
| 08:56.33 | amorph | is it unwise to use unstable at this stage in its evolution? |
| 08:56.55 | amorph | maybe i should of gone with testing :-/ |
| 08:56.58 | peterS | amorph: a lot of packages will be uninstallable right about now. other than that, use it if you want to risk it |
| 08:57.02 | MobyTurbo | amorph: iyntatys |
| 08:57.20 | peterS | phorce1: I have a 4.5 mile commute, which is a 15-18 minute bike ride. not sure I'd want to double that. |
| 08:57.29 | amorph | i have no web access right now, could someone plz tell me what the latest version of Interchange package is on testing? |
| 08:57.45 | simonrvn | use the bot, luke |
| 08:57.53 | amorph | I hope it is 5.20 |
| 08:57.56 | peterS | amorph: according to packages.debian.org, interchange is not in testing |
| 08:58.01 | amorph | omg |
| 08:58.06 | amorph | im screwed |
| 08:58.13 | peterS | amorph: 5.2.0-2 is in unstable, but nothing is in either sarge or testing |
| 08:58.20 | amorph | phew |
| 08:58.25 | amorph | then i have to run unstable |
| 08:58.34 | Guerin | !who ate all the pies phorce1 |
| 08:58.47 | simonrvn | no, just fetch that version and the deps if necessary |
| 08:58.47 | amorph | thanks peterS |
| 08:58.53 | peterS | amorph: well, or testing with one package from unstable |
| 08:58.56 | Guerin | dpkg isn't in the house, i see |
| 08:59.02 | phorce1 | peterS: I did the 10 mile daily thing 10 years ago. It wasn't bad with a morning ride. I recall allowing an hour for the ride. I have to allow that as a minimum for my DRIVE right now. |
| 08:59.17 | amorph | what do i need to compile a kernel? i have gcc, ncurses and libc |
| 08:59.25 | peterS | phorce1: yeah, I'm sure not complaining about my 18 minutes. I know a lot of people commute much longer than that. |
| 08:59.28 | simonrvn | 10 miles in an hour? you folks are slow ;p |
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| 08:59.58 | kl3 | anyone knows how can i hide my ip in a shh access? |
| 09:00.05 | Garp | Hi. |
| 09:00.10 | amorph | is there one package you can get to setup a working development setup? |
| 09:00.16 | deadcat | kl3: rm the /var/log/*tmp files |
| 09:00.18 | MobyTurbo | a typical bike ride is more like 15MPH |
| 09:00.23 | peterS | kl3: there aren't a lot of *legitimate* uses for that. what's yours? |
| 09:00.24 | simonrvn | in a shh access? um, you can't, it's TCP |
| 09:00.24 | bob2 | kl3: why? |
| 09:00.30 | phorce1 | simonrvn: Don't want to get to work all sweaty -- I haven't installed the shower yet. ;) |
| 09:00.58 | peterS | MobyTurbo: for me it depends a great deal on (a) wind direction, and (b) luck with stoplights. I have a lot of stoplights on my 4.5 mile commute |
| 09:00.59 | kl3 | cause there is many people inside |
| 09:01.01 | simonrvn | phorce1: aha :) |
| 09:01.04 | amorph | I'm having big problems trying to compile a kernel right now, i get an error msg like 3 seconds into it concerning static and non-static declarations |
| 09:01.17 | deadcat | kl3: dont let them in then |
| 09:01.31 | peterS | MobyTurbo: with neutral wind and all green lights, I average about 20 mph without breaking much sweat. bad stoplights and wind against me, I might go 13 mph |
| 09:01.33 | kl3 | is a free comunity |
| 09:01.50 | deadcat | kl3: then stop bitching |
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| 09:01.57 | simonrvn | you're not making much sense |
| 09:02.15 | MobyTurbo | peterS: when I commuted to work it wasn't usually a windy place, nor were there lots of stop lights along the route. |
| 09:02.23 | amorph | is it possible to downgrade a unstable system to testing? |
| 09:02.28 | Garp | Question: I would like to explicitly point an alternate file to be used as XF86config in xfree4. I would really like to be able to put thin if in the Xserver file. Any help? Thanks. |
| 09:02.37 | peterS | MobyTurbo: and if you can draft behind a big truck part of the way, that helps too (: |
| 09:02.40 | MobyTurbo | peterS: now that I live in NYC I no longer bicycle much, the people driving around here are too crazy. |
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| 09:03.04 | MobyTurbo | peterS: yep, that's fun |
| 09:03.05 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: i've heard stories from couriers about NYC drivers |
| 09:03.28 | Garp | amorph: Yes |
| 09:03.28 | amorph | NYC must have too much pollution to be safe to ride anywhere |
| 09:03.34 | kl3 | peterS because i dont want one user can see my ip |
| 09:03.41 | Garp | amorph: not trivial but not too complex either. |
| 09:03.42 | peterS | kl3: what do you have to hide? |
| 09:03.54 | kl3 | my ip |
| 09:03.58 | amorph | Garp: ok perhaps i better skip that option |
| 09:04.02 | phorce1 | My VW Beetle drafting record is just over 12 miles in neutral (when I was young and stupid -- I was about 6" from the bumper of a big rig) |
| 09:04.05 | peterS | kl3: if this is about stupid script kiddie games, I don't know why I would be interested in helping you |
| 09:04.11 | MobyTurbo | amorph: there is a lot of polution, my computer gets black dust on it that I have to regularly clean; that never happened back home. |
| 09:04.13 | simonrvn | the ones here are fricking nuts too. driving around with cell phones in their ears, don't bother looking where they're headed, or if it's safe to turn, or hit and run shit, or ... |
| 09:04.24 | peterS | phorce1: yeah, that's stupid (: |
| 09:04.26 | amorph | phew |
| 09:04.30 | peterS | phorce1: impressive, though |
| 09:04.37 | amorph | NYC is the 2nd largest city in the world isnt it |
| 09:04.42 | Garp | Nobody to help me with my X question? Is there a better forum to ask about this ? |
| 09:04.54 | peterS | amorph: I don't think so. mexico city and LA are both bigger, I believe |
| 09:04.56 | MobyTurbo | amorph: I think it's ranked a bit lower than that. |
| 09:05.03 | amorph | oh |
| 09:05.11 | amorph | i heard it has 12 million |
| 09:05.14 | simonrvn | kl3: you're an idiot with no clue on how tcp works. go play elsewhere |
| 09:05.21 | amorph | i know India has the biggest city with 40 million |
| 09:05.28 | MobyTurbo | peterS: LA is bigger geographically, but not population wise. Mexico City, on the other hand, is larger than NYC. |
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| 09:05.42 | kl3 | simonrvn thanksyou =) u so nice |
| 09:05.46 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yeah, geographically, anything is bigger than NYC (: |
| 09:05.49 | phorce1 | peterS: He knew I was tehre and we were talking the whole time -- had to drop it when traffic showed up in front of us. I heard him bragging about dragging me along so far until he was out of range after we went our separate ways. |
| 09:05.52 | simonrvn | maybe go read up on tcp and ssh, first |
| 09:06.02 | simonrvn | stupid criminals always get caught |
| 09:06.07 | amorph | what about long island, is that part of NY joined by a bridge? |
| 09:06.17 | MobyTurbo | peterS: Los Angeles, however, is America's biggest city geographically. |
| 09:06.25 | peterS | MobyTurbo: bigger than dallas? yeah, probably |
| 09:06.40 | MobyTurbo | amorph: Brooklyn and Queens are both on Long Island, the rest of LI is not part of NYC. |
| 09:06.46 | peterS | or is it houston that's so spread out? I forget - it seems to me they both are |
| 09:06.49 | amorph | oh |
| 09:07.17 | MobyTurbo | peterS: LA is the biggest according to what I've read. It's mentioned in Wikipedia and elsewhere. |
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| 09:07.42 | simonrvn | oh great, more dns pollution |
| 09:07.47 | phorce1 | Houston is spread out more than Dallas I think. Dallas is limited by the proximity of Fort Worth. |
| 09:07.54 | eps_ | what is that one line java stuff? |
| 09:07.59 | amorph | california is the biggest economic state of the union |
| 09:08.10 | amorph | but theres alot of spanish people there |
| 09:08.11 | peterS | phorce1: maybe I'm thinking of the DFW airport, which I heard was significantly bigger in area than O'Hare |
| 09:08.23 | peterS | though less busy |
| 09:08.51 | MobyTurbo | amorph: there's a fair amount of hispanics in NYC too, especially Puerto Rico and Dominicans. (We have less Mexicans, though I know a couple of Mexicans too.) |
| 09:08.54 | amorph | why are all the big companies based in CA? |
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| 09:09.12 | phorce1 | peterS: Dallas and FW are essentially one city with two governments. |
| 09:09.27 | peterS | amorph: they're not all. lots of big companies in chicago, seattle, NYC, philadelphia, dallas, etc. |
| 09:09.29 | Whisky_ | need help |
| 09:09.31 | Whisky_ | all sounds have suddenly stopped playing. Can't play any sound. KDE doesnt play sounds either and music players show that they are playing but nothing actually is. |
| 09:09.37 | amorph | oh |
| 09:09.37 | peterS | phorce1: sounds about right |
| 09:09.48 | amorph | where is Apple based? |
| 09:09.56 | peterS | apple is in cupertino, california |
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| 09:10.00 | MobyTurbo | amorph: Cupertino |
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| 09:10.14 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 09:10.16 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 09:10.23 | amorph | Compaq is gone now eh |
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| 09:10.29 | simonrvn | @ping Whisky_ |
| 09:10.35 | peterS | compaq still lives inside the belly of hewlett-packard |
| 09:10.38 | amorph | absorbed into the HP company |
| 09:10.41 | amorph | hehe |
| 09:10.43 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 09:10.44 | peterS | maybe it'll get spun off again someday |
| 09:10.46 | simonrvn | oh fun. loud thing</sarcasm> |
| 09:11.02 | amorph | where did HP originate from, its a European company originally? |
| 09:11.07 | Whisky_ | simonrvn, all sounds have suddenly stopped playing. Can't play any sound. KDE doesnt play sounds either and music players show that they are playing but nothing actually is. |
| 09:11.07 | MobyTurbo | I am Fironia of Borg, prepare to be merged! |
| 09:11.09 | simonrvn | bells are nice, but small ;) |
| 09:11.13 | peterS | amorph: no, two guys named Hewlett and Packard, in california |
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| 09:11.30 | amorph | oh thats a surprise, i always thought it was European for some reason |
| 09:11.33 | phorce1 | peterS: Actually, Compaq bought HP. |
| 09:11.48 | simonrvn | DEC -> HP -> Compaq |
| 09:11.55 | peterS | phorce1: doesn't matter who technically bought whom, we call it HP now |
| 09:11.58 | amorph | why is Compaq's website all gone then with HP ads and links everywhere? |
| 09:12.04 | Whisky_ | can no one assist me :[ |
| 09:12.05 | amorph | shouldnt it be the other way around |
| 09:12.17 | MobyTurbo | the real bad news was when DEC died. |
| 09:12.27 | amorph | i had a DEC printer |
| 09:12.30 | simonrvn | they made nice NICs :) |
| 09:12.40 | phorce1 | amorph: They bought it for the name -- it was the other way around for a while |
| 09:12.44 | peterS | MobyTurbo: well, when |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| devolved into DEC, maybe |
| 09:12.47 | amorph | does anyone here remember a company like Apple, called Apricot |
| 09:12.47 | MobyTurbo | HP actually used to make nice printers. No more though. |
| 09:12.56 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: true |
| 09:13.12 | Whisky_ | !skip Manufacturer wars |
| 09:13.14 | MobyTurbo | good lab equipment too |
| 09:13.19 | Whisky_ | help needed, severely :| |
| 09:13.29 | phorce1 | amorph: it took a year or two for them to figure out which name to "push" |
| 09:13.44 | simonrvn | the quality of things has gone down. all to make extra $$. what happened to pride in your work? sheesh *sigh* |
| 09:13.52 | amorph | oh, i remember Compaq was ranked the biggest PC manufacturer in the world in the 1980s for a while |
| 09:13.56 | simonrvn | Whisky_: try killing artsd ;) |
| 09:13.58 | MobyTurbo | Whisky_: check your sound Daemons. aRts in particular for you |
| 09:14.13 | peterS | amorph: apparently some people were calling IBM PCs "compaq compatibles" for a bit there |
| 09:14.20 | amorph | hehe |
| 09:14.21 | deadcat | this suck: http://linuxpicnic.org/logocontest/ <-- cant believe the tshirt this year MIGHT look this ugly |
| 09:14.41 | boguh | how cai i change may userinfo like name and so on? |
| 09:14.45 | amorph | none of you guys remember the british company Apricot |
| 09:14.47 | MobyTurbo | whoever invented sound daemons is first against the wall when the revolution comes. |
| 09:14.48 | phorce1 | simonrvn: back to the 'disposable economy' thing. It is actually cheaper for me to buy an inkjet printer WITH cartriges than to buy replacement cartriges. |
| 09:14.50 | deadcat | boguh: usermod |
| 09:14.54 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: heh |
| 09:15.04 | simonrvn | phorce1: ugh |
| 09:15.04 | MobyTurbo | amorph: yeah, they made Apple II semi-compatables |
| 09:15.07 | amorph | they made lovely PC's and had a kind of Apple culture |
| 09:15.09 | Whisky_ | ok i killed this: 4095 ? S 0:28 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -d -s 60 -m artsmessage |
| 09:15.11 | boguh | deadcat dont have that command |
| 09:15.24 | deadcat | boguh: dont bullshit me |
| 09:15.32 | amorph | haha |
| 09:15.38 | boguh | deadcat i dont for sure |
| 09:15.41 | simonrvn | adduser |
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| 09:15.47 | amorph | c'mon |
| 09:15.48 | simonrvn | it's in sbin |
| 09:15.52 | deadcat | boguh: whereis usermod |
| 09:15.54 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 09:15.55 | Whisky_ | what :/ |
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| 09:16.19 | Whisky_ | ok its playing now :/ |
| 09:16.37 | simonrvn | Whisky_: sure. the sound daemons often block things. jackd is the only one i've seen do its job ok |
| 09:16.40 | amorph | i've been quoted £40/$60 for a replacement battery for my Cassiopeia pocket PC, what a rip off |
| 09:16.54 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: what supports jackd? |
| 09:17.06 | Whisky_ | simonrvn, Any way i could switch to jackd ? |
| 09:17.10 | amorph | i hate those proprietory rechargeable batteries, why not just use regular AA cells |
| 09:17.11 | phorce1 | Whisky_: I just plug the Sirius satellite into one of the winboxen a work and use that for sound. ;) |
| 09:17.24 | simonrvn | a few more things than before, but none of the 'desktops' do |
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| 09:17.57 | Whisky_ | phorce1, it just flew over my head =p |
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| 09:18.19 | amorph | do any of you guys have MythTV setup? |
| 09:18.21 | phorce1 | amorph: a new battery for my YEARS old gateway laptop that I paid $150 (originally with working battery) for is close to $200 |
| 09:18.30 | amorph | phew |
| 09:18.35 | simonrvn | /usr/sbin to be exact |
| 09:18.43 | amorph | it's cheaper to buy busted laptops or 2nd user on eBay just for the battery |
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| 09:18.55 | simonrvn | spare parts too |
| 09:18.58 | amorph | yes |
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| 09:19.16 | soar | please recommend a good picture viewer |
| 09:19.18 | phorce1 | amorph: so I bought a few extra $20 wall adapters and a $20 70Watt inverter for the autos. |
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| 09:19.40 | soar | i have a plenty of pictures to view |
| 09:19.43 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 09:19.44 | peterS | soar: feh, eog, pornview |
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| 09:19.57 | peterS | soar: I use eog mostly, but the others are popular too |
| 09:19.58 | Matthew_I | does SATA II work under linux? |
| 09:20.26 | amorph | how can I verify I have everything needed to compile a kernel? |
| 09:21.18 | peterS | amorph: apt-get build-dep linux-2.6 |
| 09:21.20 | amorph | I've been thru the Changes file minimal requirements and seems i have all the stuff and latest versions under unstable, but still no-go for compile :( |
| 09:21.29 | amorph | peterS thanks |
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| 09:22.40 | amorph | i will give it a shot |
| 09:23.07 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I don't think that works in Sarge |
| 09:23.16 | simonrvn | display does a good job too (imagemagick) |
| 09:23.31 | peterS | MobyTurbo: oh, no it won't. |
| 09:23.34 | MobyTurbo | peterS: wait, he's using unstable. nm |
| 09:24.20 | phorce1 | peterS: heh -- pornview. I hadn't seen that one before (since I don't generally look for X stuff) |
| 09:24.31 | peterS | phorce1: cute name. I haven't tried it. |
| 09:24.54 | Matthew_I | I have a SATA II drive, that came configured in SATA I mode, I changed the settings to SATA II but I am still geting the same speeds |
| 09:25.02 | Matthew_I | any ideas? |
| 09:25.08 | peterS | Matthew_I: that'll depend on your sata controller, surely |
| 09:25.08 | Matthew_I | I have an nforce4 chipset |
| 09:25.25 | MobyTurbo | I used to use xv, but it's non-free |
| 09:25.27 | peterS | Matthew_I: see http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ for linux sata support details |
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| 09:25.48 | phorce1 | peterS: It's abilities look impressive (except that thumbnail cache thing -- I hate that on Winblows boxes - my machines are fast enough to build them on the fly if I switch to thumbnail view) |
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| 09:26.01 | peterS | phorce1: ah, heh. maybe it can be disabled |
| 09:26.08 | eonn | could anyone explain how i may change a forgotten root password |
| 09:26.33 | peterS | eonn: boot with 'linux init=/bin/bash rw' and then just type 'passwd' when you get a root prompt |
| 09:26.33 | simonrvn | /msg ravenbird i forgot root's password |
| 09:27.02 | phorce1 | eonn: use a rescue disk to mount the drive and clear the password field in /etc/passwd (or shadow) |
| 09:27.19 | Matthew_I | peterS: This page says nothing about sata II |
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| 09:27.44 | eonn | I've loaded knoppix and mounted the drive, so do i just delete the /etc/passwd |
| 09:28.01 | MobyTurbo | eonn: no! |
| 09:28.03 | phorce1 | eonn: no |
| 09:28.05 | phorce1 | ! |
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| 09:28.15 | simonrvn | NO! |
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| 09:28.49 | peterS | Matthew_I: I guess the thing to look for on those pages is "NCQ support" which is a sata II feature |
| 09:29.14 | Matthew_I | peterS: yeah, I see that, looks like it's not supported for nforce |
| 09:29.15 | eonn | so i take it the answer is "no" |
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| 09:29.21 | Matthew_I | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 09:29.26 | soar | well. feh seems able to run in CLI |
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| 09:29.28 | peterS | eonn: I'll just add my "no!" |
| 09:29.34 | eonn | lol |
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| 09:29.41 | simonrvn | did sata add more of the scsi3 spec's commands? or did they just stick with the limited ide set? |
| 09:29.57 | phorce1 | eonn: EDIT /etc/passwd and delete the stuff between the first 2 ":" symbols (also do that in /etc/shadow if it is there) |
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| 09:30.22 | wild2283 | 'lo |
| 09:30.25 | phorce1 | eonn: on the line for "root" |
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| 09:30.39 | simonrvn | 'hi |
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| 09:30.48 | eonn | phorce1: okay... and then it will ask me for a password the first time i log in as root? |
| 09:31.09 | wild2283 | does anyone have an idea how to get rid of exim without installing another mta package ? (using kerio mailserver here) |
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| 09:31.17 | peterS | eonn: if you change the ":+:" to "::" in /etc/passwd there, it'll just log you in with *no* password, when you try. then you set a password with 'passwd' |
| 09:31.19 | wild2283 | and without breaking apt ;) |
| 09:31.19 | phorce1 | eonn: That will set the password to NULL so when you boot back up log in with root and hit enter at the password prompt |
| 09:31.30 | phorce1 | eonn: then run 'passwd' to set a new one |
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| 09:34.55 | theb0y | help! anyone can tell me how to remove the string "LILO <version>" string on boot? i'm trying to figure out in the sources, but i dunno what to change. anyone call tell me what todo? |
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| 09:35.25 | simonrvn | uh, why bother? |
| 09:35.28 | bob2 | why? |
| 09:35.48 | bob2 | the string is probably not literally in the source, anyway |
| 09:35.49 | phorce1 | theb0y: That is a troubleshooting device -- why would you want to remove it? |
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| 09:35.57 | bob2 | it prints a letter after each stage of the boot |
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| 09:37.44 | phorce1 | damn -- was there a silent netsplit somewhere? |
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| 09:38.26 | soar | ran feh. ERROR: can't open X display. It *is* running, yeh? |
| 09:38.41 | bob2 | don't run it as root |
| 09:38.44 | bob2 | I'd guess |
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| 09:39.02 | wild2283 | n/m nullmailer is my friend :) |
| 09:39.07 | Gandalfar | I'm having trouble adding pam_listfile.so to pam.d/ssh ; I add it but it still permits all ssh logins, any tips? |
| 09:39.35 | bob2 | youd probably have better luck asking on the debian-user or debian-isp lists |
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| 09:39.50 | tobiasz | H |
| 09:39.54 | tobiasz | I aheva a problem |
| 09:39.57 | tobiasz | with mouse |
| 09:39.59 | tobiasz | and xorg |
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| 09:40.10 | tobiasz | It moves like the ice skater.. |
| 09:40.25 | tobiasz | and sloow |
| 09:40.48 | bob2 | soar: ? |
| 09:41.43 | bob2 | soar: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 09:42.23 | soar | feh failed to run |
| 09:42.35 | phorce1 | Looking in man dpkg and don't see it. Is there a way to list all AVAILABLE (not necessarilt installed) packages that provide a specific service? Like looking for something that provides MTA in wild2283's question. |
| 09:43.07 | bob2 | why were you /msg'ing me? |
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| 09:43.13 | eonn | guys when i try to write to /etc/passwd then save i get "Error E212 - cannot open file for writing" |
| 09:43.14 | bob2 | running it as root won't work |
| 09:43.25 | bob2 | eonn: why are you writing to it? |
| 09:43.26 | ids | phorce1: apt-cache search package-name ? |
| 09:43.55 | bob2 | phorce1: apt-cache showpkg mail-transport-agent |
| 09:43.57 | eonn | i was deleting the feild between the first :: to reset the root password |
| 09:44.12 | bob2 | eonn: you don't ever do that |
| 09:44.14 | phorce1 | ids: no -- I'm looking for package names that provide a certain requirement |
| 09:44.18 | bob2 | eonn: you run 'passwd' |
| 09:44.21 | phorce1 | bob2: Aha -- thanks |
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| 09:44.49 | MobyTurbo | bob2: he lost his password. |
| 09:44.57 | phorce1 | bob2: he's trying to fix a forgotten root password -- he has the drive mounted using a Knoppix boot CD |
| 09:45.03 | MobyTurbo | (not that editing /etc/passwd is the best fix) |
| 09:45.14 | bob2 | so chroot into it as root |
| 09:46.11 | bob2 | it doesn't ask me for a password to run passwd |
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| 09:46.53 | phorce1 | bob2: oof -- tha should be 'apt-cache showpkg mail-transport-agent|less' <grin> |
| 09:47.46 | eonn | okay bob2 - how does one use your chroot method? |
| 09:48.43 | bob2 | chroot /wherever/you/mounted/it/ |
| 09:48.45 | bob2 | passwd |
| 09:48.46 | bob2 | done |
| 09:48.58 | eonn | bob2: righto |
| 09:49.02 | eonn | here goes |
| 09:49.50 | ctd | bob2: is there a patent pending on that method? |
| 09:50.24 | MobyTurbo | ctd: a cigar company has patented it. ;-) |
| 09:50.32 | bob2 | ctd: I believe a Mr Sea Tea Dee is going to be prosecuted |
| 09:50.48 | ctd | good, i'm safe |
| 09:51.24 | eonn | bob2: no luck.. "chroot. cannot run command 'bin/bash': Input/Output Error" |
| 09:51.49 | bob2 | eonn: then your disk is toast |
| 09:51.57 | bob2 | time to restore from backups |
| 09:52.02 | eonn | bob2: excellant! |
| 09:52.04 | bob2 | or maybe the cd is screwed |
| 09:52.10 | bob2 | ctd: kinky! |
| 09:53.01 | eonn | bob2: does the I/O error indicate that it has failed to read the disk |
| 09:53.11 | phorce1 | eonn: try pulling the knoppix cd and booting from your lost PW hard drive using "linux init=/bin/bash" |
| 09:53.14 | bob2 | it indicates that the disk thre an error |
| 09:53.36 | eonn | phorce1: okay |
| 09:53.40 | eonn | lets have a slash |
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| 09:53.43 | phorce1 | eonn: just in case your CD drive is flaky ro your knoppix CD is having problems |
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| 09:54.44 | soar | feh is a good pic viewer |
| 09:54.50 | soar | handy and fast. :D |
| 09:54.56 | ctd | qiv on! |
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| 09:57.23 | eonn | hmmm, hdd isnt even showing up during post now.... |
| 09:57.27 | phorce1 | knoppix is cool for rescue. It's nice having a live CD with all the config files in the same places Debian puts them. |
| 09:57.38 | eonn | time to pull the pin i think |
| 09:57.42 | phorce1 | eonn: you have bigger problems than a lost PW then |
| 09:58.14 | eonn | bugger... |
| 09:59.10 | eonn | funny thing.. i had S.M.A.R.T enabled and the logs showed nothing |
| 10:00.01 | phorce1 | eonn: set it aside and let it "rest" (so you don't bounce it off a wall) and try plugging it into a different box later. Make absolutely it isn't a controller going south. |
| 10:00.31 | phorce1 | s/absolutely it/absolutely sure ir |
| 10:01.11 | phorce1 | <sigh> I'm going to blame the bad typing on the fresh tattoo work |
| 10:01.14 | eonn | thanks guys for all your help |
| 10:01.27 | eonn | once again! |
| 10:02.04 | bob2 | eonn: it could be as simple as an overheated drive/motherboard or a loose cable |
| 10:02.04 | phorce1 | np |
| 10:02.14 | soar | please recommend a tool to play mp3 files in debian gnu/linux |
| 10:02.23 | MobyTurbo | soar: xmms |
| 10:02.55 | phorce1 | that's why I suggested letting it rest and moving it to a different machine. I've "saved" more than one drive that way. |
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| 10:03.28 | phorce1 | Even had a few that would suddenly work in one box but not another -- though other drives worked fine in the "failed" one. Really odd |
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| 10:04.54 | phorce1 | soar: 'apt-cache search mp3 play' then read through the list and use 'apt-cache show packagename' on any that look interesting |
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| 10:08.55 | jovitu | hi |
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| 10:09.06 | jovitu | I have a multi boot problem |
| 10:09.17 | jovitu | I use a sata drive |
| 10:09.31 | jovitu | my first partition is winxp |
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| 10:09.41 | jim | if sata has /, you're in some trouble upon boot at the moment |
| 10:09.50 | wild2283 | jovitu: ouch |
| 10:10.00 | jovitu | please be cool |
| 10:10.02 | wild2283 | jim's the man. listen to his wise words |
| 10:10.13 | jovitu | I'm french and I don't speak a very good english |
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| 10:10.34 | wild2283 | (the problem remains) |
| 10:11.03 | jovitu | When I want ti boot XP I have the little blue abr, staop and arror message |
| 10:11.04 | jim | what is the problem with booting? |
| 10:11.13 | phorce1 | jim: why? I'm running 7 servers that are SATA only (except the IDE CD) |
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| 10:11.33 | jovitu | clear the hard drive controler you have installed |
| 10:11.41 | zmo | hi to all |
| 10:11.42 | jovitu | ythe bumber of the error is |
| 10:11.45 | jim | phorce1: well, only because the good driver for some sata controllers are in later 2.6s |
| 10:11.48 | jovitu | (0xF8954640, 0xC0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000). |
| 10:11.49 | wild2283 | phorce1: ichXr or promisexyz ? |
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| 10:11.58 | phorce1 | jim: not dual boot here though. But at least two if them are running software raid as well |
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| 10:12.26 | phorce1 | wild2283: I'd actually have to dig through /proc to find out -- I just installed and it "worked" |
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| 10:12.29 | wild2283 | phorce1: linux software raid or the hardware wannabe software raid ? |
| 10:12.43 | jovitu | When I was using Fedroa I had the problem and correct it by doing this |
| 10:12.49 | jovitu | http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00908.html |
| 10:12.52 | phorce1 | wild2283: linux software raid -- 0 on one and 1 on another |
| 10:12.59 | jovitu | but now it doesn't work |
| 10:13.13 | phorce1 | wild2283, jim: kernel 2.4.27 on all |
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| 10:13.39 | wild2283 | phorce1: good. if you want to use ich raid or promise onboard raid with sata disks you're essentially boned |
| 10:13.40 | salahuddin66 | how to enable otherlanguage in gnome menu |
| 10:14.06 | wild2283 | phorce1: you're probably running them in compatible mode or native mode without raid. which works fine, but embedded raid is a no-no |
| 10:14.22 | jim | it might be the other part of his problem is that the os he's trying to install might be outside of the bios limit (cyl# < 1024) |
| 10:14.52 | jim | err, the unpartitioned space that the os he's trying to install would go to |
| 10:14.59 | wild2283 | jim: whipping grub/lilo on the beginning of the disk should work wonders ;) |
| 10:15.02 | phorce1 | wild2283: actually, whatever they are the controllers have no HW raid that I could find. I raised 7 different kinds of hell with the boss about that. |
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| 10:15.25 | jim | wild2283: lilo would work in this situation? |
| 10:15.52 | wild2283 | phorce1: you're a lucky hoe ;) the only real sata raid thingy to go for atm is 3ware, or linux software raid ;) |
| 10:16.12 | wild2283 | jim: err I'm not sure if i'm paying attention close enuf, his config is... |
| 10:16.26 | wild2283 | jim: [Part1 winxp] [free space for linux] on sata |
| 10:16.32 | wild2283 | right ? |
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| 10:16.39 | jim | I think so |
| 10:16.44 | jovitu | yes |
| 10:17.04 | Whisky_ | ermmm......I get this error in almost all ./config's i do: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!............So I have to do ./configure -x-includes=/path/to/X/includes.............Cant this be fixed automatically ? |
| 10:17.06 | jim | so what is the cyl # range for the [free space for linux] part? |
| 10:17.09 | wild2283 | yeah, i've set up something like that with sata (in compatible mode) with plain woody a while back |
| 10:17.43 | jovitu | # partition table of /dev/hdc |
| 10:17.43 | jovitu | unit: sectors |
| 10:17.43 | jovitu | /dev/hdc1 : start= 63, size=204796557, Id= 7, bootable |
| 10:17.43 | jovitu | /dev/hdc2 : start=204796620, size=279996885, Id=83 |
| 10:17.43 | jovitu | /dev/hdc3 : start=484793505, size= 5429970, Id= 5 |
| 10:17.43 | jovitu | /dev/hdc4 : start= 0, size= 0, Id= 0 |
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| 10:17.44 | wild2283 | actually it was a little worse, 1: winxp, 2: suse 7.2, 3: woody, 4: server2003 - i HATE customers |
| 10:17.49 | jim | wild2283: some controllers will work that way, some won't (according to what little I read) |
| 10:17.56 | phorce1 | wild2283: I would have no problem moving to a 2.6 series kernel if I had hardware raid on the boxes and needed it for support. One of the boxes is a spamassassin/clamav scanner that gets hammered (that one is Raid0) and he wouldn't pop for SCSI because we were replacing a LOT of machines all at once |
| 10:17.59 | wild2283 | jim: yep |
| 10:18.48 | wild2283 | phorce1: 3ware will work no matter what, not sure about 2.2 but 2.4.x is perfectly fine. i love them 3wares, they're just so pricey |
| 10:18.49 | Whisky_ | anyone ? |
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| 10:19.17 | jim | wild2283: do they have controller/drive? |
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| 10:19.27 | wild2283 | phorce1: and i actually believe the price/value deal on satas is good enough for servers. if you're running proper raid (1/5) replacing one's no problem |
| 10:19.42 | wild2283 | jim: huh ? |
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| 10:20.08 | jim | Whisky_: when libs are build into debian packages, is everything in the lib packed into one package? |
| 10:20.14 | jim | why or why not? |
| 10:20.37 | xophEr | how slow are ide-drives without DMA enabled? Im trying to figure out whats the cause of my slow hdds. |
| 10:20.38 | wild2283 | jim: input overflow - you're asking what 3ware has ? |
| 10:20.50 | wild2283 | xophEr: use bonnie to measure |
| 10:20.56 | phorce1 | wild2283: the other reason for me raising 7 different kinds of hell about these boxes is -- TWO, exactly TWO SATA drives can go in each box. Raid1 is the best I can do unless I throw ISE drives into the mix. |
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| 10:21.08 | Whisky_ | jim, I dont get it :S |
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| 10:21.39 | jim | Whisky_: ok, so we go back one step. what is a library? what are includes? |
| 10:22.01 | wild2283 | phorce1: well some boards have up to 8 sata ports, if they have additional raid controllers onboard (most of those can be used in non raid mode, JBOD) |
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| 10:22.14 | raphink | hi all |
| 10:22.21 | cat | raphink: hi |
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| 10:22.34 | raphink | I've got a pb with kdelibs4-dev it seems there's a dependency pb |
| 10:22.42 | raphink | when I try to install it |
| 10:22.49 | jim | wild2283: yeah, so you could put as many as 8 drives and each one gets its own sata controller? |
| 10:22.52 | Whisky_ | jim, a Library is a set of modules required by a program to run properly. Includes are something i dont know :p |
| 10:23.00 | raphink | it says that it requires libopenexr-dev |
| 10:23.10 | cat | sid isn't it raphink ? |
| 10:23.14 | wild2283 | phorce1: the right thing for you would probably be: http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata9000.asp - 9500S-4LP or 9500S -8 |
| 10:23.16 | wild2283 | ;) |
| 10:23.18 | raphink | but then libopenexr-dev requires libopenexrc2r2 |
| 10:23.24 | raphink | that would remove all my kde packages |
| 10:23.28 | raphink | cat: yes sid with KDE 3.4.1 |
| 10:23.47 | raphink | and I need kdelibs4-dev to compile amarok 1.3b2 |
| 10:23.50 | wild2283 | jim: almost, i think the ich allows up to two, and the additional promise (the ones asus uses) do up to 4/chip |
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| 10:24.42 | phorce1 | wild2283: My next playtoy is going to be for dumping raw video from my MiniDV camera to a BIG raid array for "playing with". Still trying to decide on Winblows or Debian for it (I'm a console based linux geek, not comfortable in X) but I'm looking at an MSI board that supports 2 opterons and has an NF4 plus another controller for a total of 8 SATA drives with HW RAID. Planning to load it with low cost 80G drives in RAID0 as I won't need backup |
| 10:24.42 | raphink | cat: any solution? |
| 10:24.43 | amorph | arrrrghh |
| 10:24.53 | raphink | or how I should report the bug and to whom? |
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| 10:25.27 | jim | Whisky_: ok, that's correct as far as you went... includes are text files that contain C (usually) code meant to tell the compiler about a particular library, and define a buncha little pieces, each one meant to let a C program use all the features of the library... each little piece is for one feature |
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| 10:26.09 | wild2283 | phorce1: whoa, r0 ? why not 5 ? you'd lose one disk but have no problem recovering... if you're into speed you should look for NCQ and SATA300 support in both the controller and the disks |
| 10:26.11 | ma3x | can i convert vfat to ext3? |
| 10:26.19 | jim | no |
| 10:26.26 | Whisky_ | jim, Got it. |
| 10:26.30 | raphink | hihi |
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| 10:26.54 | amorph | I'm still getting this stupid error when running make menuconfig from kernel source dir: "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of "current_menu" follows non-static declaration." followed by "[make[1]] Error 1" and "[menuconfig] Error 2." Anyone know what might be wrong or missing? |
| 10:26.56 | Whisky_ | but how do i fix the paths so that configure can find my X includes. |
| 10:28.07 | wild2283 | phorce1: for my home server here i decided to go for pata drives, 160gb seagates with two pci ide controllers. best bang for the buck in my case |
| 10:28.15 | phorce1 | wild2283: the data will be temporary and I can reinstall an OS with no problem if I lose the array (well, if I decide to go with Winblows I'll be reinstalling on a regular basis anyway). This will be a personal box so I'm really not worried about redundancy. |
| 10:28.31 | wild2283 | phorce1: 5 drives, running as raid 5. |
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| 10:28.52 | jim | ok, good :) here's the next part... some files installed by installing a library in its entirety are used for programs that were already compiled to use the library... but other files are not needed for that purpose... but they are needed when the program that use the library is compiled |
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| 10:29.10 | wild2283 | phorce1: i'd probably recommend debian, just for the feeling, but with hardware raid it won't matter that much... |
| 10:29.46 | ma3x | is there a gui for partitioning? |
| 10:29.47 | jim | Whisky_: (look around the corner: I'm guessing you don't have both parts of whatever library this is installed) |
| 10:29.58 | amorph | I cant believe I'm having so much hassle just compiling a kernel. never experienced anything like it |
| 10:30.14 | jim | ever compiled a kernel before? |
| 10:30.27 | ma3x | jim: who are you talking to? |
| 10:30.46 | jim | should be evident by context :) |
| 10:30.50 | wild2283 | meck. afk phone |
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| 10:31.17 | Whisky_ | jim, The last sentence means X has its libraries and it used them but other files it used were not needed later on so they got removed and now configure needs them? |
| 10:31.24 | amorph | I'm still getting this stupid error when running make menuconfig from kernel source dir: "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of "current_menu" follows non-static declaration." followed by "[make[1]] Error 1" and "[menuconfig] Error 2." Anyone know what might be wrong or missing? |
| 10:31.34 | phorce1 | wild2283: Debian or Win probably won't matter. I'll be dumping the raw data from the MiniDV tapes then looking for ways to manipulate it. Learning video editing the hard way so the info will "stick" in my head. |
| 10:31.50 | raphink | any idea how I can install libopenexr2c2 without removing all the packages depending on libopenexr2 ? |
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| 10:31.56 | jim | Whisky_: or never had them installed |
| 10:32.15 | jim | but are you with me so far? |
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| 10:32.22 | Whisky_ | jim, Yes, very much. |
| 10:32.32 | raphink | ok well |
| 10:32.35 | ma3x | how can i partition my disk? |
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| 10:32.39 | ma3x | except with fdisk |
| 10:32.40 | jim | ok... now, back to my original questions... |
| 10:32.46 | jim | Whisky_: when libs are build into debian packages, is everything in the lib packed into one package? |
| 10:32.47 | Whisky_ | k |
| 10:32.54 | jim | why or why not? |
| 10:32.57 | amorph | super thingy |
| 10:33.13 | Whisky_ | jim, Yeah, coz its a single .deb package :/ |
| 10:33.17 | amorph | whats the other more user friendly fdisk alternative? |
| 10:33.26 | raphink | maxime__: parted or qparted |
| 10:33.29 | raphink | sorry |
| 10:33.35 | jim | Whisky_: good try... thanks for playing... but no... |
| 10:33.39 | raphink | that was aimed to ma3x |
| 10:33.41 | amorph | superfdisk? |
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| 10:33.45 | Whisky_ | :| |
| 10:33.47 | raphink | ma3x: parted or qparte |
| 10:33.50 | raphink | qparted |
| 10:33.56 | ma3x | raphink : thanks |
| 10:33.57 | jim | a -single- library is packaged into at least 2 packages |
| 10:34.07 | Whisky_ | why ? |
| 10:34.08 | amorph | exit |
| 10:34.36 | jim | because: lots of times, people don't want to compile programs... |
| 10:34.47 | ma3x | raphink : is it with gui? |
| 10:34.56 | Whisky_ | Right. So they dont need the entire libs, right? |
| 10:34.59 | raphink | ma3x: qparted is a gui for parted |
| 10:35.13 | jim | so the part of each lib for compiling programs to use that lib is built into a separate package |
| 10:35.28 | raphink | ma3x: sorry it's qtparted ;) |
| 10:35.33 | raphink | ma3x: qt gui for parted ;) |
| 10:35.34 | jim | right, they just need the part of the lib meant for RUNNING programs |
| 10:35.50 | ma3x | i noticed:) |
| 10:35.58 | Whisky_ | ok... |
| 10:36.09 | raphink | guys, any idea how to replace a library without removing all dependent packages ? |
| 10:36.15 | jim | you are running ./configure? |
| 10:36.15 | ma3x | raphink : can't find qtparted either |
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| 10:36.25 | raphink | ma3x: really? |
| 10:36.34 | ma3x | yes apt-cache returns nothing |
| 10:36.41 | raphink | what version ma3x ? |
| 10:36.42 | wild2283 | raphink: dpkg --force-... (man dpkg) |
| 10:36.47 | Whisky_ | jim, Yes. |
| 10:36.53 | raphink | wild2283: thanks I'll try |
| 10:37.08 | WildMagic | hi. I amrunning potato and I have 3 cd's of sarge. Can I just apt-cdrom add them, comment out the rest in my sources.list and then apt-get update;apt-get upgrade to upgrade t osarge? |
| 10:37.18 | wild2283 | raphink: something like dpkg --purge --force-all or so, but beware, that's dangerous, make sure you have the package locally first, you might not be able to download it afterwards |
| 10:37.23 | wild2283 | depending on what it is |
| 10:37.24 | jim | that's the first step in -compiling- programs (well, some don't use the configure script) |
| 10:37.45 | Whisky_ | Right. So it fails in finding X's includes and if I specify a path, it will go forward. |
| 10:37.48 | phorce1 | Is there documentation anywhere on building a custom Sarge install CD that would drop in specifically chosen packages then copy configs from a net based backup? Ie. A way to do a total restore without having to have a completely mirrored drive. |
| 10:37.49 | ma3x | raphink : i can't find qtparted |
| 10:37.57 | jim | this means, you need the part of the lib needed to -compile- the program and use the lib |
| 10:37.58 | raphink | WildMagic: you should use apt-get dist-upgrade rather then |
| 10:38.03 | raphink | ma3x: what version of Debian ? |
| 10:38.09 | ma3x | sarge |
| 10:38.12 | raphink | hmm |
| 10:38.13 | wild2283 | phorce1: hold a second |
| 10:38.23 | wild2283 | phorce1: there's something similar, just need to find it |
| 10:38.35 | raphink | hold on ma3x |
| 10:38.43 | WildMagic | raphink, oh ok. my main concern is that I don not want to go out to the internet..the system should upgrade itself only through the packeages on the 3 sarge cd-roms's. |
| 10:38.47 | jim | Whisky_: fortunately, debian named the runtime and compiletime parts of the libs moreorless consistantly |
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| 10:38.54 | raphink | ma3x: qtparted is only available for unstable |
| 10:38.54 | jim | for example |
| 10:38.55 | phorce1 | WildMagic: POTATO to sarge -- no |
| 10:38.55 | Whisky_ | jim, But it fails looking for X's includes? |
| 10:39.04 | WildMagic | phorce1, why? |
| 10:39.07 | ma3x | raphink okay, and any other tool? |
| 10:39.11 | jim | it's because includes are for compiling |
| 10:39.17 | raphink | ma3x: not that I know |
| 10:39.21 | Whisky_ | k |
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| 10:39.23 | ma3x | okay thanks |
| 10:39.26 | raphink | but parted should be on sarge I think |
| 10:39.49 | wild2283 | phorce1: sh!t, can't find it. there's some management project on sf.net which does that, script based linux install for businesses or so. maybe look through the top projects or try a few searches :/ |
| 10:40.06 | phorce1 | WildMagic: You're probably going to need to go to Woody first to get libc6 straight. Even potato to woody is a hairy multi-pass apt-get job. |
| 10:40.21 | jim | if the runtime part of a lib is called foo, the compiletime part would be called foo-dev |
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| 10:40.48 | Whisky_ | ahan, that's simple naming. |
| 10:40.50 | phorce1 | WildMagic: I'll google it again later and alter my search terms. I was just wondering if anyone had debianized anything |
| 10:40.52 | wild2283 | jim: e.g. libncurses5 & libncurses5-dev :) |
| 10:41.13 | wild2283 | everyone needs that :D |
| 10:41.23 | jim | so if you're needing the compiletime part of xlibs, what's that going to be called? (see wild2283's example) |
| 10:41.24 | AlexBO | hello!can you advice me a program to change the wallpaper at regular intervals? |
| 10:41.24 | WildMagic | phorce1, oh dear...so there is no other way to upgrade potato to sarge? |
| 10:41.49 | Whisky_ | jim, runtime: xlibs ; compiletime: xlibs-dev |
| 10:42.02 | jim | Whisky_: bingo! |
| 10:42.07 | Whisky_ | :D |
| 10:42.27 | Whisky_ | jim, Tell me im quick at grasping things =p |
| 10:42.28 | jim | see if xlibs-dev is really a package :) |
| 10:42.45 | jim | yeah, pretty good :) |
| 10:42.51 | Whisky_ | yup it is, 16.95 mb :| |
| 10:43.04 | jim | that's big... |
| 10:43.06 | phorce1 | WildMagic: I certainly wouldn't try it. I went from Potato to Woody while using 56K dialup -- after the first pass I unplugged the box and called my ISP and got them to let me plug into one of the T1's for the rest. |
| 10:43.10 | Whisky_ | need lots of packages, oh well.... |
| 10:43.22 | jim | dialup? |
| 10:43.26 | Whisky_ | yup :( |
| 10:43.29 | Whisky_ | Thanks for ur time jim |
| 10:43.33 | jim | np |
| 10:43.34 | wild2283 | phorce1: whoa @ 56k |
| 10:43.41 | jim | show others that. |
| 10:43.47 | Whisky_ | np. |
| 10:43.48 | wild2283 | WildMagic: you can get cds |
| 10:44.01 | wild2283 | WildMagic: try your local linux-savvy bookstore, or order online |
| 10:44.06 | raphink | I can't find how to download a package with apt-get :( |
| 10:44.12 | WildMagic | phorce1, damn...i can apt-get stuff only at 1.2 kbps max |
| 10:44.12 | raphink | what's teh command again? |
| 10:44.25 | phorce1 | wild2283: to do an upgrade from potato to woody he'll probably need a complete cd set |
| 10:44.33 | WildMagic | wild2283, well, I have the first 3 cd's for sarge...but I don't want to install from scratch,I want to upgrade my existing potato |
| 10:44.36 | wild2283 | raphink: apt-get -d install <pkg> |
| 10:44.43 | raphink | thanks |
| 10:44.44 | jim | did that guy with the xp on sata drive come back? |
| 10:45.07 | phorce1 | wild2283: then a complete set for sarge for the going from woody to sarge |
| 10:45.09 | wild2283 | jim: never seen him again after debhelper yoinked him out |
| 10:45.18 | raphink | wild2283: but I don't wna to install it |
| 10:45.19 | raphink | only get it |
| 10:45.26 | jim | yeah, I noticed him getting kicked |
| 10:45.27 | raphink | so I can run dpkg on it afterwards |
| 10:45.45 | wild2283 | phorce1 / WildMagic: that's hardcore. still, cd sets are no problem... WildMagic: where exactly are you? might be able to find something for you |
| 10:45.52 | phorce1 | jim: he probably thought an op kicked him since his english was bad. Probably didn't notice the #flood info |
| 10:45.56 | wild2283 | raphink: yep. rtfm, that'll do it |
| 10:46.04 | raphink | rtfm? |
| 10:46.09 | WildMagic | wild2283, in India... |
| 10:46.12 | jim | (it just said "flood") |
| 10:46.14 | wild2283 | raphink: from apt-get --help : -d Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives |
| 10:46.25 | wild2283 | WildMagic: hold |
| 10:46.26 | raphink | well it seems it does though |
| 10:46.42 | wild2283 | raphink: it won't :) |
| 10:46.55 | WildMagic | phorce1, / wild2283 : okay. can you guys give me an idea of what exactly will break? I like taking technical risks and I might take the plunge :) |
| 10:46.58 | phorce1 | jim: (the "please paste in #flood" info that the chan spits at you when you first connect) |
| 10:47.03 | raphink | hmm |
| 10:47.07 | raphink | it better not |
| 10:47.45 | WildMagic | phorce1, / wild2283 : this box does not contain much data, but there are a lot of custom settings awhich I do not want t odisturb by going through a proper cd install |
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| 10:48.16 | wild2283 | WildMagic: pick your poison: http://www.roseindia.net/linux/debian3_cds.shtml http://linuxjunkies.org/cds.php http://linux.kiraninfotech.com/debian.html http://www.linsoftindia.org/ |
| 10:48.34 | wild2283 | WildMagic: you don't need to "reinstall" |
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| 10:49.04 | wild2283 | WildMagic: once you got the cds, you do apt-setup, tell it to use cds, then you flip all your woody cds in one by one, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 10:49.06 | phorce1 | WildMagic: essentially, the whole system. You need to get libc6 upgraded in "stages" along with having the packages that depend on it (everything?) upgraded in stages at the same time (ie. libc5 and libc6 will co-exist for a time). that mechanism was in the potato to woody dist-upgrade method. Probably no longer there for woody to sarge. |
| 10:49.15 | wild2283 | WildMagic: lather rinse repeat for sarge |
| 10:49.21 | jim | phorce1: oh right |
| 10:49.35 | ma3x | why qtparted opens only /dev/hdc |
| 10:49.39 | ma3x | i want it to open /dev/sda1 too |
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| 10:50.05 | wild2283 | ma3x: i don't know about the gui version, but maybe give it a parameter ? (qparted /dev/sda1) |
| 10:50.16 | jim | ma3x: maybe it's not aware of /dev/sda |
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| 10:50.21 | wild2283 | eck |
| 10:50.24 | ma3x | well how do i make it aware |
| 10:50.25 | wild2283 | sda, not sda1 |
| 10:50.31 | amorph | phew. if im understanding the documentation correctly for kernel 2.6.11, its not possible to compile this easily under unstable with a newer gcc? |
| 10:50.33 | ma3x | i already tried wild2283's version, it didn't work |
| 10:50.35 | wild2283 | ma3x: load the proper drivers / kernel module |
| 10:50.38 | WildMagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.53 | ma3x | wild2283 why? i already have the hdd mounted |
| 10:50.58 | ma3x | what proper drivers? |
| 10:51.17 | amorph | hi |
| 10:51.25 | ma3x | parted /dev/sda1 works |
| 10:51.30 | wild2283 | WildMagic: np, make sure you don't have any online sources for woody/sarge though (e.g. check /etc/apt/sources.list first, remove all entries, then do apt-get update, and THEN go through the process i described) |
| 10:51.31 | ma3x | but qtparted /dev/sda1 does not |
| 10:51.43 | amorph | is it possible to install a package (with dependencies) from unstable into a testing box? |
| 10:51.43 | wild2283 | WildMagic: otherwise it might try to get stuff from the web ;) |
| 10:52.05 | PerfDave | amorph: It is possible, it's not a good idea, particularly with the ABI transition in sid currently. |
| 10:52.10 | wild2283 | ma3x: well i didn't know that ;) - in that case i'm not sure. does plain fdisk or cfdisk see it ? |
| 10:52.17 | amorph | damn |
| 10:52.18 | WildMagic | wild2283, oh of course |
| 10:52.20 | wild2283 | ma3x: i prefer cfdisk |
| 10:52.30 | PerfDave | amorph: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:52.37 | amorph | what am i to do then? I cant even compile a new kernel in unstable? gcc is just too buggy |
| 10:52.38 | ma3x | why the hell nobody told me of cfdisk before? |
| 10:52.41 | ma3x | it's good |
| 10:52.51 | jim | ma3x: you must teach it as you would a child... you must show it the benefits and revelations of bhudda, christianity, muslimism and judaism, as well as other organized and ad hoc religions... you must impart to it a complete knowledges of the sciences and engineering disciplines... then you can tell it to build you a scsi drive! |
| 10:52.53 | PerfDave | amorph: You can compile versions from sid against libraries from sarge, if you want. |
| 10:52.58 | wild2283 | ma3x: it's debian's preferred partition editor ;) |
| 10:52.59 | PerfDave | amorph: Why are you trying to compile a kernel? |
| 10:53.00 | amorph | is anyone else running unstable and having probs with kernel compiling? |
| 10:53.15 | wild2283 | jim: what was in your coffee this morning ? |
| 10:53.28 | amorph | well my existing kernel isnt supporting my networking and raid it seems |
| 10:53.41 | jim | brown sugar... |
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| 10:54.02 | ma3x | wild2283 can cfdisk resize partitions? |
| 10:54.08 | amorph | i dunno what to do |
| 10:54.15 | wild2283 | ma3x: nope. parted will though :) |
| 10:54.19 | PerfDave | amorph: Have you tried using a 2.6 kernel-image? |
| 10:54.32 | PerfDave | amorph: You really shouldn't be running unstable if you're not familiar with Debian. |
| 10:54.36 | PerfDave | amorph: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:54.47 | jim | amorph: do you have debian installed on the nonraid part of your storage? |
| 10:54.52 | amorph | i know, but i have no choice since theres a package i need only available in unstable :-/ |
| 10:55.03 | phorce1 | jim: Rolling Stones |
| 10:55.04 | amorph | jim: yeah |
| 10:55.14 | PerfDave | amorph: I just told you how to backport packages from unstable to stable / testing. |
| 10:55.23 | jim | phorce1: ... just lahk a young girl should... |
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| 10:55.26 | wild2283 | lol @ jim / phorce1 |
| 10:55.30 | amorph | backporting doesnt really appeal to me, ive been down this road before |
| 10:55.53 | jc-denton | humm |
| 10:55.54 | PerfDave | amorph: *shrug* Well then, run sid and suffer :) |
| 10:56.00 | amorph | :-/ |
| 10:56.07 | jc-denton | incoming.debian.org is down? |
| 10:56.14 | jim | amorph: but there will shortly be -full- binary incompatibility between sid and stable |
| 10:56.23 | wild2283 | amorph: or you could just wait until the kernel pkg maintainers pull their thumbs outta their butts and make packages for the current kernels ;) |
| 10:56.27 | jim | you should AT THE VERY LEAST try to rebuild the package |
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| 10:56.37 | amorph | jim: what is going on, everything is a mess eh |
| 10:56.38 | wild2283 | amorph: which will be outdated by the time thei're in ;) |
| 10:56.52 | jim | gcc-4 is what's going it |
| 10:56.54 | jim | err |
| 10:56.55 | wild2283 | amorph: i'm sorry, i haven't really been following the conversation, what problem are you running into ? |
| 10:56.56 | jim | gcc-4 is what's going on |
| 10:57.09 | jim | Marvin Gaye said it |
| 10:57.21 | wild2283 | yikes |
| 10:57.31 | wild2283 | jim: the grapevine told him |
| 10:57.38 | amorph | wild2283: i cant compile my own kernel in unstable with gcc-4, and i need unstable becuz i need a package thats only available in it |
| 10:57.46 | ma3x | cfdisk sucks |
| 10:57.49 | ma3x | it cannot create ext3 |
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| 10:58.00 | wild2283 | ma3x: yes indeed it can |
| 10:58.03 | Danar | anyone know how to zoom in and out in mplayer? |
| 10:58.07 | ma3x | damn, is there reeally no good gui partition soft? |
| 10:58.09 | jim | ma3x: cfdisk doesn't format partitions |
| 10:58.09 | amorph | gcc-4 will compile 2.6.8 but fails towards the driver part |
| 10:58.18 | PerfDave | ma3x: What's wrong with qtparted? |
| 10:58.22 | amorph | 2.6.11 is a non-starter from the word go |
| 10:58.31 | wild2283 | ma3x: make a partition, change type to linux (82 or 83 one's swap, the other ext) |
| 10:58.39 | jim | amorph: doesn't start on your machine? |
| 10:58.41 | wild2283 | ma3x: then mkfs.ext3 /partition/here |
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| 10:58.50 | MobyTurbo | amorph: I think some older GCCs are available in unstable, install one of them and change the CC environmental variable to point at it. |
| 10:58.50 | wild2283 | ma3x: and in fstab, tell it it's ext3 :) |
| 10:59.00 | phorce1 | wild2283: no, it can't -- it partitions, doesn't format |
| 10:59.03 | ma3x | PerfDave it always opens /dev/hdc |
| 10:59.08 | Danar | is it even possible? o.O |
| 10:59.09 | ma3x | i want it to open /dev/sda |
| 10:59.11 | amorph | jim: it just spews errors during the compiling, 2.6.11 fails as soon as you run make menuconfig |
| 10:59.16 | wild2283 | phorce1: yep precisely :) |
| 10:59.29 | amorph | MobyTurbo oh |
| 10:59.33 | jim | amorph: ohh, then you started weirdly :) |
| 10:59.34 | PerfDave | ma3x: Uhm, it'll open whatever disk device you tell it to. |
| 10:59.43 | wild2283 | amorph: paste error in #flood ? |
| 10:59.45 | amorph | i did a bit |
| 10:59.59 | ma3x | PerfDave it doesnt work : i try parted /dev/sda it works, i try qtparted /dev/sda it ignores |
| 11:00.02 | jim | I bit a did |
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| 11:00.14 | ma3x | Warning: Unable to open /dev/hdc read-write (Read-only file system). /dev/hdc has been opened read-only. |
| 11:00.21 | ma3x | and always get that |
| 11:00.25 | amorph | i cant paste unfortunately as im in a shell and dont know how to do it :-/ |
| 11:00.34 | amorph | i have the error from 2.6.11 wrote down here |
| 11:00.41 | wild2283 | amorph: gpm :) |
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| 11:00.51 | wild2283 | amblin: select and then right click where you want to paste |
| 11:00.58 | Danar | anyone know how to zoom in and out in mplayer? |
| 11:00.59 | PerfDave | ma3x: Uhm qtparted gives you a list of your drives, just click on the one you want. DId you read man qtparted? |
| 11:01.06 | jim | gpm is what linux had before it had x! |
| 11:01.20 | amorph | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91:error: static declaration of "current_menu" follows non-static declaration. |
| 11:01.25 | ma3x | ah there we go, i started it |
| 11:01.26 | raphink | hmm |
| 11:01.31 | ma3x | it says start it with root |
| 11:01.33 | raphink | apt-get -d install apackage |
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| 11:01.38 | raphink | doesn't seem to download anything |
| 11:01.39 | MobyTurbo | jim: Linux had X pretty early on, during the .99 kernels |
| 11:01.41 | raphink | ti ssays it does |
| 11:01.44 | ma3x | so i did su and then started qtpart, but X refused to |
| 11:01.45 | raphink | but I can't find the package |
| 11:01.49 | PerfDave | ma3x: /msg dpkg sux |
| 11:01.50 | ma3x | and i did sudo qtparted and it worked |
| 11:01.57 | amorph | (this is the error from make menuconfig for 2.6.11) |
| 11:01.57 | wild2283 | amorph: considered hacking the code ? :) |
| 11:02.01 | ma3x | dpkg: No such nick/channel |
| 11:02.04 | jim | I never used x until like 1996 |
| 11:02.05 | amorph | pfff.me? heh |
| 11:02.06 | Danar | PerfDave: i've found gparted is better than qtparted |
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| 11:02.19 | PerfDave | Damnit, no dpkg, no badgers. |
| 11:02.24 | PerfDave | Danar: That's nice for you. |
| 11:02.30 | MobyTurbo | jim: I didn't use X under Linux either, my 386-16 didn't have enough RAM for it. |
| 11:02.35 | Danar | PerfDave: displays things qtparted doesn't |
| 11:02.35 | wild2283 | amorph: hold |
| 11:02.39 | PerfDave | ma3x: /msg apt sux |
| 11:02.41 | amorph | ok |
| 11:02.49 | phorce1 | jim: gpm is a tattletale -- it always asks me if I want it to 'repeat' when I install. I ask who it will repeat to and it won't tell me. |
| 11:02.50 | MobyTurbo | jim: I recall seeing it available in SLS and Slackware back then though |
| 11:03.01 | ma3x | PerfDave : now when i try to create partition i have the following choice: |
| 11:03.04 | dddss | MobyTurbo: how much ram? |
| 11:03.07 | PerfDave | Danar: *shrug* qtparted does everything I want :) |
| 11:03.15 | amorph | i really dont want to go back to a 2.4 kernel, i started this whole thing to upgrade from one |
| 11:03.19 | MobyTurbo | dddss: 4 megs |
| 11:03.20 | ma3x | primary partition which includes: ext2, fat32, fat16, swap |
| 11:03.24 | jim | my 4 mb on a 486 was enough to compile early kernels... but it took like an hour and a half |
| 11:03.34 | MobyTurbo | dddss: I barely could compile anything without swapping |
| 11:03.34 | ma3x | and extended: nothing included in the partition type field |
| 11:03.37 | Danar | PerfDave: but if someone has a problem, it'll likely be easier to troubleshoot in gparted |
| 11:03.38 | jim | but x?? swap swap swap swap |
| 11:03.40 | ma3x | so what should i choose for ext3? |
| 11:03.47 | wild2283 | amorph: i'm posting source fixes in #flood. try those |
| 11:03.49 | MobyTurbo | jim: it took me all day |
| 11:03.58 | PerfDave | ma3x: ext2, it's the same partition type |
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| 11:04.17 | jim | yeah, I compiled a kernel with a 386 once... took 24 hours |
| 11:04.21 | MobyTurbo | jim: it was my idea of fun though. :-) |
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| 11:04.25 | ma3x | PerfDave i want it to be ext3 |
| 11:04.28 | PerfDave | Danar: I've not used gparted, so I'm not going to recommend it to someone. And it'll be easier to troubleshoot someone's problem if they're using software with which I'm famioliar. |
| 11:04.29 | ma3x | wht's the difference? |
| 11:04.41 | PerfDave | ma3x: Just choose ext2 for now, alright? |
| 11:04.53 | Danar | PerfDave: right, so you should get familiar with gparted :p |
| 11:04.58 | yoh__ | GUYS!!! I desperately need help -- I screwed up the server badly in a ttempt to fix it and I have just remote access.... the thing is: (don't laugh too loud) -- I moved ld-linux.so.2 away... so no nothing dynamicly compiled works... no ln (to create link back) no cp... nothing.... but I still have bash running and some other things but I believe nothing interactive which would let me create link.... ideas??? |
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| 11:05.28 | PeterB | !pal yoh__ |
| 11:05.30 | dddss | MobyTurbo: and what distro? |
| 11:05.32 | PeterB | Bah. |
| 11:05.43 | PerfDave | Danar: 12:03 < PerfDave> Danar: *shrug* qtparted does everything I want :) |
| 11:05.46 | Whisky_ | hmm.....What do I have to concentrate on for RHCE exams? |
| 11:06.10 | ma3x | PerfDave : okay now, how do i copy all the data from vfat to the new partition? |
| 11:06.17 | PerfDave | ma3x: cp - |
| 11:06.18 | Danar | 07:02 < Danar> PerfDave: displays things qtparted doesn't |
| 11:06.26 | PerfDave | 12:03 < PerfDave> Danar: *shrug* qtparted does everything I want :) |
| 11:06.44 | MobyTurbo | dddss: I didn't have a distro, I put togeather some binaries of glibc, gcc, the kernel, and other GNU utils that someone tared up. |
| 11:06.45 | wild2283 | yoh: thinking... hold |
| 11:06.54 | PerfDave | yoh__: I'm assuming that you didn't take the precaution of installing a statically-compiled shell? |
| 11:07.03 | ma3x | PerfDave : can you please explain me about ext2 and 3 |
| 11:07.07 | MobyTurbo | er, not glibc, the old libc |
| 11:07.20 | jim | ma3x: it's just a little flag in the partition table... when you format it, which is -after- you write the finished partition table and maybe reboot, you can format it however you want |
| 11:07.32 | jim | libc5 |
| 11:07.34 | PerfDave | ma3x: ext3 is ext2 with journalling, they both use the same partition type, you can convert ext2 to ext3 on the fly. |
| 11:07.35 | yoh__ | nop |
| 11:07.47 | yoh__ | PerfDave, nope... now I know what it is for :-) |
| 11:07.49 | ma3x | PerfDave : how do i convert it now? |
| 11:07.53 | PerfDave | yoh__: Your best option is to boot off another medium like a rescue CD. |
| 11:07.55 | wild2283 | yoh: how's dd doing ? |
| 11:08.01 | PerfDave | ma3x: /msg apt ext2->ext3 |
| 11:08.02 | wild2283 | PerfDave: he only has remote access |
| 11:08.09 | MobyTurbo | dddss: actually, I started with a boot/root disk pair. I might still have those around. |
| 11:08.11 | yoh__ | PerfDave, I'm about 4k miles away |
| 11:08.12 | jim | ma3x: nothing to convert yet. you have to format it first |
| 11:08.22 | yoh__ | wild2283: dd is dynamicly compiled |
| 11:08.22 | PerfDave | yoh__: So phone someone at your data centre and get them to do it ;) |
| 11:08.27 | MobyTurbo | dddss: I created them with rawrite, sort of dd for DOS |
| 11:08.44 | yoh__ | PerfDave, I'm trying to fix it on my own before cutting finger out ;-) |
| 11:08.52 | wild2283 | yoh: is the ftpd still running ? |
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| 11:09.01 | jim | he needs sash :P |
| 11:09.18 | jim | or ln-static and cp-static |
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| 11:09.32 | concept10 | Where does clam av keep its log of detected viruses? |
| 11:09.36 | yoh__ | wild2283, goog guess... no ftp... apache there is but I believe no write access to anywhere... let me double check |
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| 11:09.54 | ma3x | This filesystem will be automatically checked every 30 mounts or |
| 11:09.55 | ma3x | 0 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. |
| 11:10.04 | dddss | MobyTurbo: debian? |
| 11:10.04 | ma3x | should i override that? |
| 11:10.25 | phorce1 | concept10: /var/log/clamav/clamav.log |
| 11:10.27 | wild2283 | yoh: i'm guessing you're connected via ssh, but you can't establish another ssh connection ? |
| 11:10.41 | MobyTurbo | dddss: Debian didn't exist for kernel 0.95 and early 0.9x kernels. SLS had just come out, followed by Slackware. |
| 11:10.48 | PerfDave | ma3x: You should understand what it means. |
| 11:10.59 | yoh__ | wild2283: ssh and even more - whole VNC session but nowhere I'm running anything which would let me link I believe... |
| 11:11.12 | concept10 | phorce1, Thanks. |
| 11:11.13 | ma3x | PerfDave : it will be checked for errors or what? |
| 11:11.19 | raphink | grrrrrrrr no way to install this lib :( |
| 11:11.22 | wild2283 | yoh: a copy would be sufficient for the moment, who needs links ;) |
| 11:11.23 | ma3x | and on boot? |
| 11:11.23 | yoh__ | a although it would be as good if I could just make a copy of damn file and run ldconfig to regenerate cache |
| 11:11.29 | MobyTurbo | dddss: don't get me wrong though, Debian is a pretty old distro - I think it's older than Red Hat |
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| 11:11.40 | wild2283 | yoh: can you establish another ssh connection ? |
| 11:11.42 | amorph | arrgh |
| 11:11.49 | wild2283 | amorph: ? |
| 11:12.19 | henk | The channel bot (dpkg) is is down? |
| 11:12.20 | amorph | wild2283: i gave it a shot but i think hacking the code is way over my head, think i better try the other option..using an earlier gcc |
| 11:12.25 | PerfDave | ma3x: You need to read up on jounalling filesystems. |
| 11:12.34 | wild2283 | amorph: dude, you only need to change three lines ? |
| 11:12.42 | amorph | i couldnt even find the lines :( |
| 11:12.46 | PerfDave | henk: Yeah, we have to wait until dondelelcaro is around to restart it. apt is still here, but badgers isn't. |
| 11:12.52 | wild2283 | amorph: err the line numbers are next to the filenames |
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| 11:12.58 | concept10 | phorce1, I couldnt find it because there was none there, do you know how to enable logging in clam? |
| 11:13.05 | wild2283 | amorph: then again, the kernel versions are different |
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| 11:13.18 | amorph | wild2283: that path isnt even in my source tree |
| 11:13.19 | wild2283 | amblin: just search for everything left of the '->' |
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| 11:13.22 | raphink | who should I report a lib conflict to? |
| 11:13.32 | wild2283 | raphink: bugs.debian.org ? |
| 11:13.38 | jim | what dist? |
| 11:13.41 | raphink | wild2283: ok |
| 11:13.45 | phorce1 | concept10: not a clue -- did a stock debian install when I set up amavisd-new |
| 11:13.50 | raphink | jim unstable |
| 11:13.58 | jim | the maintainer |
| 11:13.58 | yoh__ | wild2283: AHA - emacs is running!!!! yeay!!!! let me copy and try ldconfig... |
| 11:14.07 | amorph | i think it would be scripts/config/kconfig/mconf |
| 11:14.10 | jim | or check the bts |
| 11:14.20 | raphink | jim well it's linked to several pacakges |
| 11:14.22 | jim | or just wait a few days or a week or so |
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| 11:14.27 | jim | because... |
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| 11:14.28 | amorph | whats the package name for earlier gcc package in unstable? |
| 11:14.34 | wild2283 | amorph: how about fgrep -r ? |
| 11:14.41 | concept10 | phorce1, was linux stable back in those days? |
| 11:14.42 | raphink | it's linked to libopenexr2, libopenexr2c2, kdelibs4 and kdelibs4-dev at least |
| 11:14.44 | jim | unstable is -seriously- fucked up right now... |
| 11:14.45 | phorce1 | emacs to move files around remotely because everything else is broken -- hahahahahaha! |
| 11:14.55 | MobyTurbo | emacs = Esc Meta Alt Control Shift |
| 11:14.58 | amorph | ok i will try again |
| 11:14.58 | henk | amorph: isn't there one in /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 ? |
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| 11:15.12 | amorph | henk: oh i will check, thanks |
| 11:15.12 | phorce1 | concept10: this time it was. Just reinstalled after a hardware failure <grin> |
| 11:15.13 | wild2283 | jim: which is why it's called unstable |
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| 11:15.32 | amorph | brb |
| 11:15.33 | jim | and one of the reasons is there is a move afoot to go to the c++ abi of gcc-4 |
| 11:16.02 | concept10 | phorce1, i mean when you were using slackware with 1.x kernel |
| 11:16.58 | PerfDave | I'm glad that unstable is so unstable at the moment, it stops people from being presumptuous ;) |
| 11:17.09 | wild2283 | lol |
| 11:17.19 | phorce1 | concept10: oh -- topic shift. Yes. remember the (old) numbering system. even numbers in the second stanza were stable kernels. 1.*2*.13 was a stable kernel. |
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| 11:18.35 | phorce1 | concept10: and a slackware was NOTHING like a debian install is now. You had to know where files needed to go to keep it clean. Lots of original slack systems with most everything installed in /usr/local |
| 11:18.44 | wild2283 | brb |
| 11:18.47 | concept10 | I wonder were I was in the early linux years |
| 11:18.54 | phorce1 | concept10: no package manager to speak of. |
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| 11:20.03 | phorce1 | concept10: no modules in the kernel -- figure out what your hardware was and roll your own from source (a painful process on a 386dx-40) |
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| 11:20.42 | gdbtek | hello |
| 11:20.43 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: slackware has changed since then though |
| 11:21.01 | gdbtek | anyone please can give me some help on debian since I'm new to it? |
| 11:21.03 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: it still doesn't have real dependency tracking though. |
| 11:21.18 | gba | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.20 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: I found Debian a few years later -- couldn't care less what SlackWare has done <GRIN> |
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| 11:21.50 | concept10 | gdbtek, just ask your question |
| 11:21.50 | PerfDave | gdbtek: What problems are you having? |
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| 11:22.07 | amorphix | phew |
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| 11:22.33 | jim | gdbtek: the first thing to know about debian is ian married deb |
| 11:22.37 | amorphix | how do i get an earlier gcc setup on unstable? I've just installed gcc-3.3, but dunno what to do next |
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| 11:22.47 | concept10 | heh |
| 11:22.56 | antifuchs | jim: and they had lots of little packages |
| 11:23.11 | jim | I guess :) |
| 11:23.21 | amorphix | is it just a case of changing some links? |
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| 11:23.23 | jim | like debian-2.0 |
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| 11:23.26 | gdbtek | I installed debian 2.6 (testing version) on my laptop IBM T23. It's video card is: - Adapter Type: S3 Graphics SuperSavage/IXC 1014. The higest resolution I can have ti 800x 600. So how can I config it to higer resolution? Any please help? |
| 11:23.27 | concept10 | jim, so would apt be like a babysitter or a checkbook |
| 11:24.00 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: good for you. I didn't find Debian for a while because until recently I didn't have the hardware to run a full distribution. My first Debian was Woody. |
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| 11:24.01 | jim | hospital, supplier of spare parts |
| 11:24.24 | MobyTurbo | s/full distribution/full distribution of any kind/ |
| 11:24.33 | amorphix | *sigh* |
| 11:24.35 | szzs | hi, how can i define an ip range 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.253 with CIDR notation? |
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| 11:25.10 | jim | szzs: /24? |
| 11:25.11 | phorce1 | MobyTurbo: I think I started with Bo. It was Bo, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge -- right? |
| 11:25.14 | PerfDave | gdbtek: Read /var/log/XFree86.0.log for information about why X isn't using a higher resolution, and type "dpkg-reconfigure x md5sum" to change your X config |
| 11:25.33 | MobyTurbo | phorce1: I'm not sure. :-) |
| 11:25.34 | szzs | jim 192.168.0.2/24 you say ? |
| 11:25.51 | wild2283 | szzs: 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 11:25.53 | concept10 | That movie is boring as hell |
| 11:25.54 | MobyTurbo | Potato was the one before Woody |
| 11:25.55 | antifuchs | phorce1: yeah, that sounds right |
| 11:26.09 | jim | yeah, and that will get you .1-.254 |
| 11:26.12 | antifuchs | phorce1: but I'm pretty sure there were others before bo |
| 11:26.24 | phorce1 | waitaminit -- Hamm was in there somewhere |
| 11:26.28 | jim | dpkg test |
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| 11:26.38 | _admin | where are the apache files located? |
| 11:26.52 | highvoltage | _admin: which apache files? |
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| 11:26.57 | szzs | wild2283: in 192.168.0.0/24 is also 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.253 doesnt it? i dont want them in the range |
| 11:26.57 | concept10 | _admin, /var/www/apache |
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| 11:27.12 | highvoltage | _admin: configs are in /etc/apache(2) |
| 11:27.18 | antifuchs | phorce1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_(Debian) has them all (possibly correct, too (-:) |
| 11:27.20 | jim | across the water, many moons toward the sun... be wary of the choctau, brave warrior |
| 11:27.26 | wild2283 | it goes like this: buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody... |
| 11:28.10 | szzs | wild2283 ist that possible? |
| 11:28.34 | wild2283 | antifuchs/phorce1: it goes like this: buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody... |
| 11:28.37 | jim | szzs: can't do that with cidr |
| 11:28.40 | phorce1 | antifuchs: yep. I started with Bo. Bo, Hamm, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge |
| 11:28.50 | antifuchs | wild2283, phorce1: yeah |
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| 11:29.10 | szzs | jim: thanks, thats what i wanted to know |
| 11:29.54 | yoh__ | emacs rules but useless... the thing is that it seems that ld-linux.so.2 have to be in /lib and if I just add directory I've moved it in to ldconfig, it doesn't do any good :-/// |
| 11:30.21 | Kaibutsu | Hi people...I'm trying to get my usb-Touchscreen working under sarge - does anyone know how to use the touchkitusb-driver/module which is implemented? |
| 11:30.26 | jim | yoh__: running ldconfig doesn't help |
| 11:30.28 | jim | ? |
| 11:30.42 | wild2283 | hehe |
| 11:30.43 | wild2283 | he can't |
| 11:30.45 | wild2283 | i guess |
| 11:30.49 | yoh__ | jim: it shows that directory being added but whenever I run anything - the same result.. |
| 11:31.09 | jim | yoh__: time to rescue it |
| 11:31.21 | wild2283 | jim: he's not at the machine ;) |
| 11:31.29 | jim | yea I know |
| 11:31.39 | jim | so he has to pay admins to do it or drive to it |
| 11:32.07 | yoh__ | I'm admin :-)) |
| 11:32.09 | yoh__ | :-/ |
| 11:32.13 | phorce1 | jim: ouch 4K mile drive. |
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| 11:32.29 | yoh__ | not that I get paid yet but... |
| 11:32.32 | jim | you mean you run the site where the machine is? |
| 11:32.45 | yoh__ | I have cfengine running... theoretically it might be helpfull... |
| 11:33.21 | yoh__ | jim: kinda... and now is summer - so most people work on that machine remotely - there is 1 dude I can ask (and will if I can't figure out something) |
| 11:33.26 | jim | the people who go to the site and maintain it are your coworkers? |
| 11:33.55 | gdbtek | I installed debian 2.6 (testing version) on my laptop IBM T23. It's video card is: - Adapter Type: S3 Graphics SuperSavage/IXC 1014. The higest resolution I can have ti 800x 600. So how can I config it to higer resolution? Any please help?. I alredy check log file for errro but I'm so confused. |
| 11:34.39 | yoh__ | jim: kinda... I just volunteered to take that burden on my shoulders a while ago... |
| 11:34.51 | liable | gdbtek: whats its native resolution? |
| 11:35.07 | jim | gdbtek: what information do you have/have you checked about whether the card is compatible with the x server you're using? |
| 11:35.20 | _admin | how can I change my apache server root directory? |
| 11:35.37 | yoh__ | but that is lyrics... there must be a way... there must be a way... ;-) :-/ cant find anything staticly compiled which could be of help... and damn nfs... ooo -- NFS... wait a sec... |
| 11:35.38 | jim | there is an #apache |
| 11:35.44 | PerfDave | gdbtek: Did you select the correct driver (probably "s3") in your X configuration? You can check, and change it, with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 11:35.45 | highvoltage | _admin: apache has *excellent* documentation |
| 11:35.59 | peterS | _admin: look in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 11:36.02 | _admin | I have 5 minutes to setup just need to know where in the conf files |
| 11:36.08 | phorce1 | _admin: change it in the apache config file |
| 11:36.11 | gdbtek | its' native reslution is: 1024 x 768 |
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| 11:36.49 | HipHob | hey guys, i'm trying to set the AP of my wireless to the AP called MAX, using iwconfig wlan0 essid MAX, but when i check iwconfig wlan0 the essid is set to off/any |
| 11:36.59 | liable | gdbtek: and you set that when you configured x? |
| 11:37.02 | phorce1 | _admin: then RESTART apache (any time you make apache config changes restart -- it reads config when it loads) |
| 11:37.08 | highvoltage | apt: are you a bot? |
| 11:37.15 | peterS | apt what are you |
| 11:37.15 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 11:37.27 | Whisky_ | hmmmmm. My sound stops when i use Noatun so then even if i close Noatun, i cant hear any sounds. All i can hear are tracks when i re-open Noatun. Tried killing the sound demon too, nothing. |
| 11:37.37 | jim | _admin: just a word to the wise here,,, you shouldn't bring up things like you have limited time to do this... if you come here expecting a composed, readymade solution to be created for you on the spot, you may not get that free |
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| 11:37.47 | gdbtek | when I configure X, it only give me option 800x600 as the max resolution |
| 11:37.50 | peterS | apt who owns you? |
| 11:37.50 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 11:38.01 | PerfDave | gdbtek: How are you configuring X? |
| 11:38.13 | terrex | apt how old are you? |
| 11:38.13 | apt | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 11:38.21 | terrex | hehehe |
| 11:38.24 | PerfDave | gdbtek: Really, you need to give us more information, and reply to our questions, if you want us to help you. |
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| 11:38.37 | Whisky_ | terrex, /msg apt lets talk here |
| 11:38.41 | peterS | terrex: it's lying. the blootbot code was only forked from the infobot code 600 years ago |
| 11:38.43 | jim | apt, who's your daddy? |
| 11:38.44 | apt | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 11:38.55 | HipHob | anyone got any idea how to set the ESSID, i've tried several times, but it won't stay |
| 11:38.56 | gdbtek | I'm very very new to Debian, so I just run setup from CDrom and follow all questions. After I reboot, I just see X window in 800x600. That's all I know |
| 11:38.57 | terrex | x-DD |
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| 11:39.31 | PerfDave | gdbtek: Have you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root yet, to examine and change your X configuration? |
| 11:39.58 | PerfDave | HipHob: read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for how to put your ESSID in /etc/network interfaces. |
| 11:40.07 | peterS | Eclipser: probably. a lot of joysticks, old and new, are known to the kernel |
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| 11:40.18 | Eclipser | awh |
| 11:40.19 | Eclipser | this sucks |
| 11:40.19 | HipHob | thanks PerfDave |
| 11:40.25 | gdbtek | yeah, I did run that command: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:40.25 | Eclipser | my laptop doesn't have a port for it |
| 11:40.32 | ma3x | PerfDave : can you help me with sux? |
| 11:40.35 | peterS | Eclipser: heh, then probably not |
| 11:40.57 | Eclipser | that means I have to play NES games with a KEYBOARD |
| 11:41.00 | Eclipser | *sob* |
| 11:41.02 | gdbtek | and I have no idea how to answer all question. I chose s3 as X server driver. |
| 11:41.11 | wild2283 | Eclipser: there's joystick->usb converters :) |
| 11:41.13 | peterS | Eclipser: or buy a usb joystick |
| 11:41.19 | jim | play them with a NES... |
| 11:41.22 | wild2283 | lo |
| 11:41.24 | wild2283 | +l |
| 11:41.32 | Eclipser | I'd have to buy USB splitter too |
| 11:41.36 | PerfDave | gdbtek: Was s3 already selected when you ran the command? |
| 11:41.40 | PerfDave | ma3x: What help do you need? |
| 11:41.42 | Eclipser | I'm using a bluetooth adapter on my only USB port |
| 11:41.44 | peterS | they're called hubs (: |
| 11:41.52 | wild2283 | Eclipser: splitter ? how about a hub ? |
| 11:41.58 | Eclipser | whatever |
| 11:42.04 | jim | what's all the hubbub, bub? |
| 11:42.06 | wild2283 | Eclipser: 9$ @ compusa or bestbuy |
| 11:42.23 | peterS | wild2283: that little now? I paid around $30 for one a few years ago |
| 11:42.25 | gdbtek | when I configure adapter, it asked me to enter video card's bus identifier, so what should idimmu to enter? |
| 11:42.26 | ma3x | PerfDave : i jsut did sux ma3x and sux user |
| 11:42.35 | ma3x | and now i can't launch any application from KDE |
| 11:42.36 | peterS | gdbtek: leave it blank |
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| 11:42.51 | PerfDave | ma3x: Eh? |
| 11:42.53 | peterS | gdbtek: same for amount of video memory, if it asks |
| 11:42.56 | gdbtek | yeah, by default, s3 is selected when I ran the command |
| 11:42.56 | wild2283 | peterS: probably even cheaper, i live in germany & work at a pc manufacturer so i can get them for 5 euro, usb2 |
| 11:42.56 | verwilst | hellow! |
| 11:43.11 | ma3x | PerfDave : i logged in to root and did sux ma3x |
| 11:43.11 | verwilst | i'm wondering about a guideline for packaging wiki-like apps |
| 11:43.14 | jim | wollehi |
| 11:43.23 | wild2283 | lol @ jim |
| 11:43.25 | ma3x | which transfered the root priveleges for X to ma3x |
| 11:43.28 | verwilst | they appear to be installed into /usr/share/<pkgname> |
| 11:43.31 | ma3x | so now X server refuses connection |
| 11:43.40 | verwilst | ( want to package mediawiki ) |
| 11:43.45 | ma3x | because im logged in with ma3x, with X credentials for root |
| 11:43.48 | gdbtek | so I put "16" for bus identifier? |
| 11:43.51 | wild2283 | ma3x: you want xhost +0:0 or something like that |
| 11:43.52 | PerfDave | ma3x: You were running X as root? |
| 11:43.53 | verwilst | where can i find more info about that policy? |
| 11:43.56 | peterS | gdbtek: no, you put nothing for bus identifier |
| 11:44.11 | PerfDave | gdbtek: Why would you put "16" for bus identifier? Leave it blank if you don't know what it is.; |
| 11:44.12 | ma3x | PerfDave: no, but now when I launch applications, it launches them as root |
| 11:44.16 | gdbtek | ic peterS |
| 11:44.17 | peterS | gdbtek: it's something you only need if you have 2 cards from the same company and you need to distinguish which it should use |
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| 11:44.36 | ma3x | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 11:44.37 | ma3x | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 11:44.43 | ma3x | wild2283 didn't work |
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| 11:44.50 | wild2283 | ma3x: xhost +:0 |
| 11:44.51 | PerfDave | ma3x: That's because you've overwritten your user's X credentials. Log out and log back in again. |
| 11:44.53 | wild2283 | meck do a google search |
| 11:44.55 | gdbtek | peters, it ask me "ple seect the XKB rule to set to use", what should I enter here? |
| 11:45.05 | PerfDave | wild2283: No, he doesn't want or need to use xhost. |
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| 11:45.22 | peterS | gdbtek: dude. if you don't know, read the instruction page that appeared just before that, or accept the default. |
| 11:45.36 | wild2283 | hehe |
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| 11:45.49 | chaps0063 | Hi, I have debian installed and I was planning on using it as a file server, how do I go about specifying shares that require a username/password to be accessed? |
| 11:46.04 | wild2283 | chaps0063: using samba or nfs ? |
| 11:46.10 | PerfDave | chaps0063: Well, what sort of file server do you want? What are you serving files to? |
| 11:46.12 | chaps0063 | wild2283: samba. |
| 11:46.24 | wild2283 | chaps0063: man smb.conf / vi /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 11:46.28 | jim | breakfast eaters |
| 11:46.29 | PerfDave | chaps0063: apt-get install samba samba-doc |
| 11:46.31 | Eclipser | arf |
| 11:46.36 | Eclipser | stupid 7-zip won't compile |
| 11:46.36 | Morden | has anyone experience with PowerDNS? |
| 11:46.37 | chaps0063 | PerfDave: already got it. |
| 11:46.40 | wild2283 | PerfDave: beat ya to it :P |
| 11:46.43 | tosh | anyone know why I can only start xfree as root, not as a normal user. the log gives me "Cannot open input device. Preinit failed for input device "Mouse" |
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| 11:46.54 | PerfDave | chaps0063: Then read the documentation :) |
| 11:46.54 | chaps0063 | so the best documentation is man smb.conf and the smb.conf file? |
| 11:47.07 | chaps0063 | PerfDave: good deal...I didn't know if there was anything online... |
| 11:47.08 | wild2283 | tosh: you want to chmod /dev/your/mouse/device/here |
| 11:47.11 | jim | most definitive, yes |
| 11:47.20 | chaps0063 | PerfDave: I'm attempting to get all this working without installing a gui. |
| 11:47.20 | wild2283 | tosh: not sure what modes the default are |
| 11:47.21 | robin_sz | chaps0063: or just use the web based admin .. |
| 11:47.25 | Tavy | usualling it's /dev/mouse.. |
| 11:47.27 | jim | well actually there is one document more definitive |
| 11:47.35 | chaps0063 | robin_sz: web based admin for samba? |
| 11:47.41 | PerfDave | chaps0063: Why do you think you'd need a GUI? |
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| 11:47.54 | robin_sz | chaps0063: yep, on port 901 as I remember |
| 11:47.54 | chaps0063 | PerfDave: cause I was infected with the Windows virus for a long time. |
| 11:48.07 | wild2283 | chaps0063: it's called swat. or webmin ;) |
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| 11:48.16 | PerfDave | chaps0063: You can brose www.samba.org's documentation with a text-mode browser, you know :) |
| 11:48.23 | robin_sz | chaps0063: swat was what I was trying to remember |
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| 11:49.31 | ma3x | PerfDave : thanks, logout login worked |
| 11:49.54 | robin_sz | high voltage rock'n'roll |
| 11:50.03 | chaps0063 | ah yes, I've heard of webmin |
| 11:50.12 | robin_sz | webmin sucketh |
| 11:50.13 | PerfDave | webmin is PURE BASTARD EVIL. |
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| 11:50.22 | robin_sz | but SWAT is the samba admin tool |
| 11:50.34 | robin_sz | web base3d and user friendly |
| 11:50.40 | PerfDave | Real men use $EDITOR /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 11:50.43 | chaps0063 | robin_sz: its says swat is installed... |
| 11:50.58 | Morden | what about real women @PerfDave |
| 11:51.11 | robin_sz | chaps0063: so just point a browser at port 901 then |
| 11:51.16 | wild2283 | lol |
| 11:51.24 | chaps0063 | robin_sz: I did, no luck. |
| 11:51.30 | PerfDave | Morden: I'm not a real woman, so I don't know what they do. I'd ask my girlfriend, but she's still in bed :) |
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| 11:51.44 | chaps0063 | PerfDave: lol. |
| 11:51.50 | Morden | how comes you're in here then? |
| 11:51.53 | Morden | ^^ |
| 11:52.01 | chaps0063 | PerfDave: be happy your girlfriend doesn't call the tower a "modem" |
| 11:52.04 | abrotman | you have to enable swat |
| 11:52.04 | robin_sz | chaps0063: well .. enabkle it in the inetd.d then |
| 11:52.49 | wild2283 | gotta love this http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002397450_microvista23.html |
| 11:52.55 | PerfDave | Morden: I'm in bed with my girlfriend *and* IRCing. It's called "a laptop" |
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| 11:53.34 | wild2283 | PerfDave: so this would _not_ be the time to send you a link to the porn freak swf ? |
| 11:53.34 | abrotman | wild2283: wrong channel |
| 11:53.41 | wild2283 | abrotman: for what ? |
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| 11:53.56 | boga | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.12 | tosh | wild2283 the perms are 600 |
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| 11:54.15 | abrotman | wild2283: reposting slashdot news ... |
| 11:54.19 | tosh | wild2283 owned by root |
| 11:54.34 | wild2283 | boga: remove the path from the sources list, and then do dpkg -i <pkg.deb> |
| 11:54.43 | Morden | someone has had a look at powerdns yet? |
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| 11:54.53 | tosh | wild2283 so that should work |
| 11:54.58 | fatal__ | Morden: yes, someone has. :) |
| 11:55.00 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 11:55.00 | wild2283 | abrotman: meck |
| 11:55.04 | abrotman | did someone show him how to enable swat ? |
| 11:55.04 | PerfDave | wild2283: I dunno, she might enjoy it :) |
| 11:55.12 | Morden | hmm, maybe I should rephrase that question ^^ |
| 11:55.26 | PerfDave | @tell wild2283 about away |
| 11:55.28 | boga | OK |
| 11:55.31 | boga | thanx |
| 11:55.58 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's not an away thingie .. i think it's a /me |
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| 11:56.18 | wild2283 | PerfDave: well some people were talking to me, so i thought i'd be kind enough to let them know why i'm not talking anymore |
| 11:56.24 | wild2283 | *duh* |
| 11:56.30 | PerfDave | abrotman: It looks like something triggered when someone mentions your /nick when you're /away :) |
| 11:56.35 | wild2283 | and abrotman is right |
| 11:56.41 | PerfDave | wild2283: If they cared that much, they'd /whois you :) |
| 11:56.42 | wild2283 | nope, i /me'd that |
| 11:56.55 | wild2283 | i hardly ever set myself properly away |
| 11:56.55 | abrotman | or wait :) |
| 11:56.55 | yoh__ | MY ASS IS SAVED!!! Yahooo!!! |
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| 11:57.41 | yoh__ | SASH RULES!!! running am-utils rules!!! I nfs mounted other host, copied there sah, ran it, copied moved files back -- now it works as normal (I hope :-)) |
| 11:57.48 | Morden | you haven't tempered with it then @ fatal |
| 11:57.58 | HipHob | hmm, i'm really confused, i've followed the /usr/share/doc/wireless documentation, i've done iwlist wlan0 scan, and it's picked up MAX, for both cell 01 and cell 02, so i've setup the interface, and set the essid to max, but when it DHCP broadcasts, it won't pick an ip address up, so i've set the ip and network address and broadcast address, but i can't ping the router internal ip |
| 11:58.13 | ttj | I've been using debian on my home servers for 3-4 years now, and I've tested it on my laptop and desktop several times without being able to get it to work the way I want. Now, I've always used debian unstable (because the packages are usually up to date), but I was wondering what's "recommended" on a desktop/laptop; stable (outdated?), testing or unstable? |
| 11:58.17 | yoh__ | jim,wild2283: THANX for cooperation |
| 11:58.23 | wild2283 | away properly rather |
| 11:58.24 | PerfDave | wild2283: Well, you should, it's what it's there for :) |
| 11:58.29 | wild2283 | i'm back now anyway |
| 11:58.44 | Internat | HipHob: no encryption/wep/wpa thing needed? |
| 11:58.49 | gigabytes | hello |
| 11:58.53 | gigabytes | is the dist-upgrade from sarge to sid quite safe now? |
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| 11:58.56 | PerfDave | ttj: If you are happy with random breakages and the possibility of having your entire system trashed, run unstable. If you want security updates, run stable. |
| 11:59.01 | HipHob | Internat: no i disabled all of that |
| 11:59.04 | HipHob | to test properly |
| 11:59.05 | wild2283 | PerfDave: well i'm at different machines often, and don't feel like turning off the away crap they all produce, so i do this instead |
| 11:59.07 | PerfDave | gigabytes: If you have to ask.... |
| 11:59.10 | Internat | thats generally what happens for me when i dont get an ip addresss automaticly |
| 11:59.17 | abrotman | ttj: i run testing on my laptop(it's actuall still pointing at sarge right now) .. unstable is a freaking mess right now |
| 11:59.18 | ttj | PerfDave: Ya... How 'bout testing, then? |
| 11:59.19 | PerfDave | wild2283: You should use ssh :) |
| 11:59.25 | PerfDave | ttj: No security updates. |
| 11:59.29 | wild2283 | PerfDave: bleh :P |
| 11:59.30 | ttj | abrotman: ya, I noticed. |
| 11:59.32 | Internat | on both the router and the wifi setup? |
| 11:59.33 | PerfDave | It's not like unstable is out of date. |
| 11:59.36 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 11:59.42 | PerfDave | It's not like stable is out of date. |
| 11:59.55 | wild2283 | stable is the leetness |
| 11:59.59 | ttj | Security updates aren't that big of an issue for my laptop/desktop, so I guess testing would be good, then? |
| 12:00.10 | gigabytes | PerfDave, yes, I have to ask "is it quite safe?" :) I'm using sarge now and I would to upgrade to sid, but with gcc 4.0 and xorg I don't know if it's a good idea |
| 12:00.19 | Eclipser | sweet |
| 12:00.21 | wild2283 | ttj: that didn't quite make sense to me.... |
| 12:00.26 | Eclipser | I ran out of space |
| 12:00.27 | abrotman | HipHob: did you set the gateway ? ... man 5 interfaces |
| 12:00.37 | Eclipser | tried to extract 10783 NES roms |
| 12:00.41 | PerfDave | gigabytes: If you can't deal with the possibility of your system being hosed at random, don't run unstable. /msg apt sid faq |
| 12:00.46 | wild2283 | lol @ Eclipser |
| 12:00.53 | abrotman | !lol |
| 12:01.02 | wild2283 | !no |
| 12:01.02 | ttj | wild2283: Sorry, I suddenly got surrounded by coworkers asking confusing questions so I had to finish the sentence too fast :P |
| 12:01.04 | abrotman | dpkg is dead |
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| 12:01.17 | Eclipser | well |
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| 12:01.26 | Eclipser | rm *.nes |
| 12:01.26 | Eclipser | -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
| 12:01.29 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 12:01.52 | tosh | Eclipser strange |
| 12:01.55 | PerfDave | Eclipser: for rom in *.nes; do rm $rom; done |
| 12:01.56 | wild2283 | Eclipser: rm the folder ? |
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| 12:02.51 | gigabytes | PerfDave, I can deal with bugs, I would like only to know if after the dist-upgrade my PC will explode like dinamite |
| 12:02.52 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 12:02.54 | Eclipser | better do that |
| 12:03.05 | Eclipser | I better extract only the ones I want to play |
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| 12:03.06 | Eclipser | :p |
| 12:03.19 | abrotman | or buy a nintendo |
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| 12:03.24 | Eclipser | I have |
| 12:03.28 | Eclipser | but I can't take it with me |
| 12:03.36 | Eclipser | to the non-military training camp |
| 12:03.41 | PerfDave | gigabytes: If you can't deal with that possibility, don't run unstable. |
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| 12:03.50 | wild2283 | abrotman: and a truck to store all the roms ? |
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| 12:04.04 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 12:04.11 | tosh | anyone know why xfree starts as user root, and why starting it as a normal user doesn't work: "no core pointer" |
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| 12:04.19 | abrotman | wild2283: no ... a shed would be fine |
| 12:04.19 | ^arky^ | hi Fellows |
| 12:04.37 | gambler | my kingdom for a good blog software package |
| 12:04.42 | Eclipser | ah well |
| 12:04.43 | PerfDave | tosh: Permissions on the mouse device? |
| 12:04.45 | gambler | any suggestions on blog software? |
| 12:04.49 | ttj | Well, for one I'd like to be able to use the latest firefox, perl-updates and a new release of GNOME/X.org (I understand Xorg just made it to unstable?) |
| 12:04.49 | Eclipser | final fantasy 1 should be enough for the week |
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| 12:04.57 | wild2283 | tosh: you did chmod it, didn't you ? |
| 12:05.00 | abrotman | gigabytes: upgrade to etch maybe ? |
| 12:05.04 | PerfDave | ttj: perl-updates? |
| 12:05.07 | ttj | err |
| 12:05.09 | PerfDave | tosh: Permissions on the mouse device? |
| 12:05.10 | abrotman | dynOMITE! |
| 12:05.11 | hcy | hi, is there something i can do to determine my internet speed? |
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| 12:05.18 | ttj | the latest perl packages. |
| 12:05.24 | abrotman | hcy: google 'bandwidth test' |
| 12:05.25 | yoh__ | Eclipser: usually if line is too long I pipe through | while read line; do rm $line; done |
| 12:05.25 | PerfDave | ttj: dh-make-perl |
| 12:05.32 | hcy | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:05.37 | abrotman | hcy: not 100% reliable |
| 12:05.39 | tosh | perms of 600 should work fine |
| 12:05.50 | tosh | its setup like that on my laptop running xfree |
| 12:05.52 | tosh | and that works |
| 12:06.07 | PerfDave | tosh: Uhm, no. Your laptop must be using a different device. |
| 12:06.11 | wild2283 | tosh: are you chmodding a symlink or the device file itself ? |
| 12:06.16 | PerfDave | tosh: Why are you dicking with device permissions in the first place? |
| 12:06.30 | hcy | abrotman: no debian app to do it? |
| 12:06.32 | wild2283 | PerfDave: because i told him to. which was stupid |
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| 12:06.34 | tosh | I should chmod it to what then? |
| 12:06.36 | abrotman | hcy: wget :) |
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| 12:06.49 | hcy | abrotman: :) |
| 12:06.51 | wild2283 | PerfDave: is there a mouse group ? |
| 12:07.06 | abrotman | hcy: i mean .. find some place that has a big pipe .. a wget a 10MB or so file .. |
| 12:07.20 | tosh | there's no mouse group afaik |
| 12:07.29 | abrotman | they aren't pack animals |
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| 12:07.35 | PerfDave | wild2283: I have: crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 2005-02-26 06:43 /dev/input/mice |
| 12:07.46 | tosh | im using /dev/psaux |
| 12:07.51 | tosh | ill chmod it, see what that gives me |
| 12:08.02 | abrotman | /dev/input/rat |
| 12:08.13 | tosh | mmm. no |
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| 12:08.19 | tosh | failed to initialize input device |
| 12:08.24 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:08.29 | abrotman | tosh: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 12:08.30 | wild2283 | hcy: i use `nload -m -u K ppp0 eth0` to measure throughput, but you still need something to create throughput :P |
| 12:08.30 | tosh | no core pointer |
| 12:08.47 | tosh | abrotman doesn't give me anything |
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| 12:08.56 | ma3x | this shit keeps happening all the time |
| 12:08.56 | PerfDave | tosh: What does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say? |
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| 12:09.06 | ma3x | when i press ctrl+backspace X logs me off |
| 12:09.12 | abrotman | tosh: i'm pretty sure you should get something .. no matter what |
| 12:09.19 | tosh | cannot open mouse device |
| 12:09.21 | ma3x | and sometimes when i type strange characters come out |
| 12:09.23 | abrotman | tosh: as long as your mouse is detected .. what kind of mouse ? |
| 12:09.27 | PerfDave | ma3x: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is the key comination to kill X |
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| 12:09.41 | tosh | xf86OpenSerial: No device specified |
| 12:09.41 | ma3x | PerfDave : i know but something happened and ctrl+ backspace kills it |
| 12:09.51 | PerfDave | tosh: Read the *whole* log file. And try using /dev/input/mixe instead of /dev/psaux. |
| 12:09.53 | abrotman | tosh: what kind of mouse .. which kenrel ? |
| 12:09.54 | Eclipser | your alt is stuck? |
| 12:09.56 | ma3x | and when i type sometimes, part of the letters come in some strange letters |
| 12:10.05 | abrotman | it's a mac keyboard ? |
| 12:10.05 | ma3x | that happened last time too |
| 12:10.10 | tosh | abrotman logitech ps2 mouse, 2.4.22 |
| 12:10.12 | ma3x | i had to reboot and it solved the problem |
| 12:10.13 | PerfDave | ma3x: Yeah, i think you have a sticky alt key :) |
| 12:10.21 | yoo | tosh : configure your XFree86 |
| 12:10.26 | wild2283 | tosh: just for the sake of testing you could chmod it 777 and see if it works then. then you know whether it's permissions or something lese |
| 12:10.28 | wild2283 | else |
| 12:10.32 | abrotman | tosh: how the hell did you get a 2.4.22 kernel ? |
| 12:10.45 | ma3x | yeah when i hold down the ALT, exactly those characters come out |
| 12:10.51 | ma3x | but no chance, alt is not stiky |
| 12:10.55 | tosh | abrotman 2.4.27, sorry |
| 12:10.57 | PerfDave | @drxx |
| 12:11.01 | ma3x | PerfDave you meant stiky, or defect? |
| 12:11.01 | tosh | abrotman and I need it for dev purposes :) |
| 12:11.09 | PerfDave | ma3x: There's a difference? |
| 12:11.09 | ma3x | stiky probably |
| 12:11.10 | ^arky^ | hi, does anyone know why copy won't work on my firefox on sid ? |
| 12:11.12 | abrotman | tosh: no .. that's fine .. 2.4.22 isn't :) |
| 12:11.20 | ma3x | PerfDave : stiky could be set somewhere in KDE |
| 12:11.23 | PerfDave | ^arky^: What do you mean? |
| 12:11.23 | ma3x | defect could not |
| 12:11.24 | tosh | for arguments sake, all my other boxes are 2.6.x ;) |
| 12:11.31 | abrotman | tosh: is discover installed ? |
| 12:11.32 | PerfDave | ma3x: It's "sticky". And if your key sticks, then it's sticky. |
| 12:11.41 | Eclipser | :p |
| 12:11.41 | wild2283 | ^arky^: i don't understand your question ? |
| 12:11.46 | ma3x | PerfDave : okay but if i reboot it's not sticky anymore |
| 12:11.49 | ma3x | it will work fine |
| 12:11.58 | ma3x | that means it's not from the key, it's kde causing it! |
| 12:12.01 | tosh | abrotman no, discover isn't installed |
| 12:12.03 | ma3x | or linux, dunno which |
| 12:12.07 | ^arky^ | well, in my firefox I try to copy something to the clipboard it doesn't work |
| 12:12.09 | abrotman | tosh: could you please install it ? |
| 12:12.11 | tosh | abrotman chmod 777 didn't work either... gives me the same errormsg |
| 12:12.13 | PerfDave | ma3x: Yeah, yeah, blame KDE ;p |
| 12:12.15 | tosh | abrotman doing it as we speak |
| 12:12.26 | ma3x | PerfDave : help here man, every time i have to reboot |
| 12:12.31 | ma3x | and all applications cut off |
| 12:12.32 | PerfDave | ^arky^: How are you trying to copy? Have you checked the BTS, since you're running unstable? |
| 12:12.42 | ma3x | is there option in kde sticky keys? |
| 12:12.47 | PerfDave | ma3x: I have no idea why your keyboard is doing that. |
| 12:12.48 | Eclipser | ah yes, I need to install irssi on this laptop... using it through ssh with gprs isn't really nice |
| 12:12.59 | ^arky^ | yeah, I did |
| 12:12.59 | tosh | abrotman discover doesn't give me anything mouse related |
| 12:13.04 | PerfDave | ma3x: Have you configured your keyboard correctly in X? |
| 12:13.07 | abrotman | tosh: you might have to reboot |
| 12:13.19 | tosh | abrotman thats uhm |
| 12:13.20 | abrotman | tosh: it normally probes your hardware at boot time |
| 12:13.22 | tosh | abrotman pathetic? |
| 12:13.33 | Eclipser | try mdetect |
| 12:13.38 | abrotman | tosh: you can try /etc/init.d/discover restart ... but i wouldn't hold my breath :) |
| 12:13.48 | Eclipser | ah erm, the mouse works as root? |
| 12:13.56 | wild2283 | Eclipser: yep |
| 12:13.56 | tosh | yup |
| 12:14.01 | tosh | and when I load gpm it works as well |
| 12:14.08 | wild2283 | just throw the damn bugger outta the window :P |
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| 12:14.17 | wild2283 | lol @ apt |
| 12:14.23 | Tavy | Duck! |
| 12:14.24 | ma3x | PerfDave : i have this shortcut enabled in KDE for ctrl+backspace |
| 12:14.24 | abrotman | @lol |
| 12:14.25 | ravenbird | lol in no way resembles the sound that is produced while "Laughing Out Loud", so it looks very lame when you say it; use "heh" or "haha" instead or use an action ("/me laughs") 'lol' is also not punctuation. See also: loll, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
| 12:14.32 | tosh | mdetect gives me /dev/psaux \n intellimouse |
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| 12:14.44 | ma3x | hm, that's what it's supposed to do |
| 12:14.48 | ma3x | delete word backwards |
| 12:14.51 | abrotman | tosh: how are you starting X for the users? .. startx or xdm/gdm/kdm ? |
| 12:14.55 | tosh | startx |
| 12:15.03 | abrotman | cuold /tmp be messed ? |
| 12:15.11 | tosh | although I did remove xdm yesterday |
| 12:15.15 | tosh | could that have something to do with it? |
| 12:15.20 | tosh | because everything worked fine yesterday |
| 12:15.32 | abrotman | tosh: you could try reinstalling xdm .. |
| 12:15.35 | tosh | mmm |
| 12:15.36 | PerfDave | ma3x: Why do you need a shortcut for that in KDE? X does that for you already. |
| 12:15.47 | abrotman | tosh: but that doesn't quite make sense ... are there any other EE lines in your X log ? |
| 12:15.51 | wild2283 | tosh: well afaik xdm starts out as it's own user and then assumes the role of the logged on user ? |
| 12:16.02 | Eclipser | ah yes hmm |
| 12:16.09 | tosh | gonna try with xdm, just a sec |
| 12:16.09 | ma3x | PerfDave : X does ctrl+backspace ? |
| 12:16.10 | Eclipser | I wonder if Eclipse runs on this laptop |
| 12:16.36 | tosh | xdm doesn't start |
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| 12:16.42 | PerfDave | ma3x: Yes |
| 12:16.51 | PerfDave | ma3x: Everything does it, even the console. |
| 12:16.54 | abrotman | tosh: why not? |
| 12:16.56 | tosh | it did yesterday :/ |
| 12:16.58 | tosh | no errormessages |
| 12:17.02 | tosh | just a blank screen for 5 secs |
| 12:17.06 | abrotman | tosh: /etc/init.d/xdm restart ? |
| 12:17.33 | tosh | abrotman thats what I did |
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| 12:17.52 | abrotman | tosh: just making sure |
| 12:18.02 | tosh | abrotman np |
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| 12:18.34 | abrotman | tosh: no errors in the X log when you restart xdm ? |
| 12:18.37 | tosh | then I installed synergy, which worked as well |
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| 12:19.29 | tosh | abrotman the same errors |
| 12:19.54 | abrotman | tosh: but you can still startx as root .. and it works ? |
| 12:19.59 | tosh | xf86OpenSerial: No device specified |
| 12:20.05 | tosh | abrotman affirmative |
| 12:20.11 | abrotman | tosh: you tried just now ? |
| 12:20.20 | tosh | hold on |
| 12:20.49 | HipHob | hmm ok i've just added wireless_key1 password wireless_defaultkey 1 wireless_keymode open , but i get Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 12:20.57 | Eclipser | umh |
| 12:20.59 | tosh | what the hell |
| 12:21.06 | tosh | now root can't start X |
| 12:21.11 | tosh | same error |
| 12:21.14 | abrotman | tosh: now we've got a problem :) |
| 12:21.26 | tosh | abrotman I like my problems to be consistent |
| 12:21.32 | tosh | I got what I asked for apparantly ;/ |
| 12:21.38 | tosh | apparently* |
| 12:21.42 | abrotman | tosh: yes .. before it was fucked up .. now it's a problem :) |
| 12:21.43 | Eclipser | which module should I load to get my battery monitor working? |
| 12:21.56 | abrotman | Eclipser: acpid should take care of that |
| 12:22.05 | abrotman | Eclipser: how old is the laptop ? |
| 12:22.09 | PerfDave | HipHob: I think the wireless_key1 argument needs to be a hex key, not a plaintext one. |
| 12:22.13 | Eclipser | umm like 5 years I think |
| 12:22.15 | abrotman | tosh: if you lsmod .. see any mouse stuff ? |
| 12:22.18 | Eclipser | compaq armada e500 |
| 12:22.29 | abrotman | Eclipser: should be acpi .. not 100% sure though .. could still be .. ick APM |
| 12:22.33 | tosh | abrotman negative |
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| 12:22.47 | abrotman | tosh: is it your own kernel ? |
| 12:22.52 | ma3x | hey PerfDave |
| 12:22.58 | tosh | abrotman yes, running it for quite a while now |
| 12:23.13 | tosh | should be compiled in |
| 12:23.13 | abrotman | tosh: is mouse support compiled in? .. or a module ? |
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| 12:23.19 | ma3x | why when im in the shell, i try to pause and scroll up/down, it won't work |
| 12:23.30 | ma3x | this works perfectly under FreeBSD |
| 12:23.30 | Eclipser | abrotman, should I just install acpid (does that load acpi modules on start up)? |
| 12:23.38 | PerfDave | HipHob: From "man iwconfig": "You can also enter the key as an ASCII string by using the s: prefix. Passphrase is currently not supported." |
| 12:23.44 | Eclipser | discovery doesn't seem to load ACPI :< |
| 12:23.45 | tosh | abrotman gpm works fine |
| 12:23.46 | PerfDave | ma3x: What do you mean, "in the shell"? |
| 12:23.47 | abrotman | Eclipser: it did for me .. i don't remember explicitly loading any modules for acpi |
| 12:23.57 | abrotman | tosh: oh .. wait .. is gpm running ? |
| 12:23.58 | Eclipser | abrotman, okies let me try |
| 12:23.59 | tosh | abrotman should I try with gpmdata? gpm+xfree? |
| 12:24.00 | ma3x | PerfDave : console? |
| 12:24.05 | Eclipser | stupid comma doesn't work |
| 12:24.10 | tosh | abrotman no :) already had that problem a few years ago ;) |
| 12:24.14 | abrotman | tosh: if you're running gpm on boot .. try /dev/gpmdata |
| 12:24.19 | tosh | let me try that |
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| 12:24.33 | PerfDave | ma3x: Do you mean an xterm or what? |
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| 12:24.44 | ma3x | PerfDave yes, and Konsole as well |
| 12:24.57 | wild2283 | does anyone have a pointer what to use for mirroring web sites ? (except for wget) |
| 12:25.18 | ma3x | PerfDave you know the Pause/Break button? |
| 12:25.32 | ma3x | next to print screen/sys rq |
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| 12:25.45 | ma3x | I don't know how it is on your keyboard |
| 12:25.46 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 12:25.49 | ma3x | mine is laptop |
| 12:25.56 | abrotman | @tell terrex about away |
| 12:25.56 | Eclipser | debian kernel doesn't have ACPI modules? |
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| 12:26.00 | Eclipser | or am I just blind |
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| 12:26.10 | Eclipser | aa |
| 12:26.11 | Eclipser | there |
| 12:26.27 | abrotman | Eclipser: comes up as like .. battery etc |
| 12:26.33 | youknow-who | Hello, I am looking for a program that does bandiwith limiting on apps like wget. |
| 12:26.38 | smhar | can I have a terminal embedded in the desktop using blackbox in debian.. I've seen this with kde |
| 12:26.43 | Eclipser | eh |
| 12:26.44 | Eclipser | FATAL: Error inserting battery (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko): No such device |
| 12:26.44 | abrotman | youknow-who: trickle |
| 12:26.56 | abrotman | Eclipser: you have no battery! |
| 12:26.59 | PerfDave | ma3x: I'm on a laptop keyboard, but pgup / pgdn work fine for me in x terminals. |
| 12:27.01 | Eclipser | yea right :p |
| 12:27.10 | wild2283 | Eclipser: i'd backup my data now ;) |
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| 12:27.11 | Eclipser | my laptop doesn't use power then |
| 12:27.15 | PerfDave | youknow-who: Uhm, wget --limit-rate |
| 12:27.31 | ma3x | PerfDave : page up/down works okay in xterm |
| 12:27.35 | ma3x | but not in the console |
| 12:27.36 | ma3x | why/ |
| 12:27.49 | ma3x | I am talking about the Konsole and the console (when you're not in X) |
| 12:27.54 | PerfDave | ma3x: I have no idea. Clearly God hates you. |
| 12:28.10 | wild2283 | youknow-who: might be able to do that with iptables. there's some kernel patches to do this for hosting providers etc. |
| 12:28.13 | Eclipser | haha |
| 12:28.20 | Eclipser | WARNING: Error inserting processor (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko): No such device |
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| 12:28.25 | abrotman | Eclipser: do any of the acpi things work ? |
| 12:28.31 | Eclipser | apparently not |
| 12:28.33 | abrotman | Eclipser: /proc/acpi/blahblah |
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| 12:28.45 | Eclipser | there's no /proc/acpi |
| 12:28.50 | abrotman | $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state |
| 12:28.50 | abrotman | present: ye |
| 12:28.52 | abrotman | etc for me |
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| 12:29.15 | abrotman | Eclipser: you did modprobe battery .. not insmod .. right ? |
| 12:29.16 | Eclipser | I'm quite sure this thing HAS ACPI |
| 12:29.19 | Eclipser | yea |
| 12:29.20 | Eclipser | modprobe |
| 12:29.45 | abrotman | i mean .. doesn't the package ask you about modules? .. /me forgets |
| 12:29.57 | tosh | abrotman using gpmdata works, X loads, but I can't use the keyb or mouse |
| 12:30.03 | Eclipser | it just said my kernel doesn't have acpi installed and that I'd have to recompile |
| 12:30.10 | Eclipser | I'm using debian kernel |
| 12:30.19 | tosh | abrotman I have to kill X from another machine |
| 12:30.48 | abrotman | tosh: that sounds bad :) |
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| 12:31.11 | tosh | the reason root couldn't start X was that I totally commented out a certain line |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | tosh: you do have the devices you're trying to use in /dev .. right .. like /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice ? |
| 12:31.20 | tosh | so the situation is still the same |
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| 12:31.41 | tosh | abrotman I have psaux and dev/input/mice |
| 12:31.46 | Eclipser | I changed to debian kernel when I got my bluetooth adapter and I was too bored to try to figure out how to make it work |
| 12:31.47 | tosh | but that last one is not for me, is it? |
| 12:31.59 | tosh | Eclipser bluetooth is pretty easy to use in linux |
| 12:32.03 | Eclipser | after that the computer hasn't shut itself down when automatically |
| 12:32.12 | Eclipser | -when |
| 12:32.13 | meursault | i customized my bashpromt and on http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ they say that \$ makes a $ for users and a # for root. but i get $ with root whats the problem? |
| 12:32.17 | abrotman | tosh: it can be .. many people use /dev/input/mice .. all the time |
| 12:32.27 | Eclipser | tosh, it works perfectly |
| 12:32.41 | Eclipser | just that |
| 12:32.45 | Eclipser | ACPI doesn't |
| 12:32.52 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 12:32.57 | abrotman | fucking dpkg |
| 12:33.00 | Eclipser | :p |
| 12:33.00 | abrotman | ~acpi |
| 12:33.00 | apt | somebody said acpi was (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) This power management interface takes the power management out of the BIOS and gives control to the OS. Typically, a system's BIOS is only able to turn a device off after a certain period of inactivity. With ACPI, the user can instruct the OS to slow down the processor or enter sleep mode. This ... |
| 12:33.08 | abrotman | oh god .. that's out of date |
| 12:33.10 | abrotman | @acpi |
| 12:33.10 | ravenbird | hmm... acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the OS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, extreme file system corruption, see 2.4.5 and 2.4.5-ac1 on apt. for suspend software check ... |
| 12:33.14 | abrotman | bah |
| 12:33.25 | Whisky_ | help.: checking for KDE: ....configure: error: |
| 12:33.27 | Whisky_ | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 12:33.31 | Whisky_ | what do i need? :S |
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| 12:33.52 | abrotman | Whisky_: what are you compiling ? |
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| 12:34.13 | Eclipser | that's outdated too I think?-p |
| 12:34.19 | Whisky_ | abrotman, kgmailcheck |
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| 12:34.37 | PerfDave | Whisky_: It's already packaged for Debian |
| 12:34.58 | Whisky_ | found :| |
| 12:35.14 | PerfDave | Whisky_: apt-cache search gmail |
| 12:35.29 | tosh | abrotman neither root or a user can use /dev/input/mice |
| 12:35.36 | Whisky_ | thanx |
| 12:35.57 | abrotman | tosh: maybe we should try a debian packaged kernel .. just to rule that out ? |
| 12:36.10 | tosh | abrotman mmm, maybe I should |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | tosh: and you said you require 2.4.x for work ? |
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| 12:37.12 | tosh | abrotman if I can leave one kernel image installed then its ok, don't need it every day, but I do need it |
| 12:37.33 | tosh | gonna apt-get 2.6.11 |
| 12:37.45 | abrotman | tosh: -686? |
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| 12:38.16 | tosh | abrotman I should, no? |
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| 12:38.34 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 12:38.36 | Eclipser | interesting |
| 12:38.46 | abrotman | tosh: depends on your CPU :) |
| 12:38.46 | Eclipser | it says many things that can't be loaded on boot |
| 12:38.59 | tosh | abrotman duron 850 Mhz |
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| 12:39.17 | abrotman | that would be -k7 |
| 12:39.27 | jkern | whois kern |
| 12:39.36 | jkern | \whois kern |
| 12:39.38 | tosh | abrotman don't think so? |
| 12:39.48 | tosh | abrotman gonna download a kernel from kernel.org anyway I think |
| 12:39.54 | Eclipser | erm |
| 12:40.00 | jkern | quit |
| 12:40.03 | tosh | abrotman had too much problems in the past with seperate kernel header packages |
| 12:40.11 | abrotman | tosh: uhm .. doesn't that defeat the purpose of using a debian packaged kernel ? |
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| 12:40.15 | Eclipser | is there any file which would have all messages which were displayd on boottime |
| 12:40.33 | abrotman | tosh: you know .. like kernel-image-2.6.11-k7 |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | Eclipser: afaik .. not a single file |
| 12:41.06 | tosh | abrotman I can compile it into a package with kernel-package |
| 12:41.17 | abrotman | tosh: you're missing hte point ... |
| 12:41.22 | jkern | xterm -fg white -bg black -e bitchx -c \#debian -n kern & |
| 12:41.32 | tosh | abrotman or I could try a kernel image, yea |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | tosh: i want you to try a debian packaged kernel .. we're already trying one you've configured |
| 12:41.33 | jkern | \who |
| 12:41.47 | jkern | \whois kern |
| 12:41.56 | abrotman | jkern: no |
| 12:42.03 | tosh | abrotman agreed |
| 12:42.06 | tosh | :) |
| 12:42.21 | jkern | \help |
| 12:42.36 | abrotman | jkern: do you need help ? |
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| 12:42.53 | MegaByte | Hey guys |
| 12:43.22 | jkern | abrotman -- a little rusty is all, thanks |
| 12:43.29 | abrotman | we're all sleeping! |
| 12:43.29 | Eclipser | I should probably build my own kernel... |
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| 12:43.41 | Jacky^ | hi |
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| 12:44.46 | abrotman | @moo |
| 12:44.46 | ravenbird | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 12:44.47 | Jacky^ | im using debian sid, how difficult is to migrate from xfree86 to xorg ? |
| 12:45.02 | abrotman | Jacky^: you say a prayer .. and do it .. |
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| 12:45.05 | jkern | Is there some announcment regarding the sid package repository? |
| 12:45.14 | abrotman | jkern: regarding what ? |
| 12:45.18 | Jacky^ | abrotman: i prefer do nothing so :) |
| 12:45.29 | abrotman | Jacky^: some people have no problem .. some have major problems |
| 12:45.35 | Eclipser | Jul 24 15:38:36 slowpoke kernel: ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 |
| 12:45.35 | Eclipser | Jul 24 15:38:36 slowpoke kernel: ACPI: Interpreter disabled. |
| 12:45.36 | jkern | I am have trouble get apt-get to work. |
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| 12:45.46 | jkern | Very unusual. |
| 12:45.46 | sanxiyn | jkern: And? |
| 12:45.49 | abrotman | jkern: define troble .. don't be vague |
| 12:46.11 | me_here | how do i send dpkg a question here |
| 12:46.13 | Jacky^ | abrotman: is it possible to come back to xfree in case of troubles ? |
| 12:46.19 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 12:46.22 | abrotman | me_here: dpkg is dead today ... |
| 12:46.27 | me_here | ah ok |
| 12:46.28 | sanxiyn | Jacky^: Yes. |
| 12:46.29 | abrotman | Jacky^: i've heard it is .. |
| 12:46.33 | abrotman | me_here: what question ? |
| 12:46.34 | jkern | mirror says packages are not authenticated. http-debian seems not to have the packages |
| 12:46.41 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 12:46.45 | abrotman | fuck |
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| 12:46.48 | abrotman | @apt secure |
| 12:46.48 | me_here | abrotman: nothing important just to test |
| 12:46.50 | Eclipser | under my own kernel and under windows ACPI worked but now I found this from /var/log/messages |
| 12:46.54 | abrotman | god fucking damn it |
| 12:46.57 | abrotman | ~apt secure |
| 12:46.57 | apt | Linux is secure, at least up to the administrator, heh. |
| 12:47.00 | sanxiyn | oops, no bot now. |
| 12:47.01 | Eclipser | Jul 24 15:38:36 slowpoke kernel: ACPI disabled because your bios is from 2000 and too old |
| 12:47.05 | Eclipser | Jul 24 15:38:36 slowpoke kernel: You can enable it with acpi=force |
| 12:47.09 | Eclipser | should I try acpi=force |
| 12:47.17 | jkern | ~apt secure |
| 12:47.17 | apt | Linux is secure, at least up to the administrator, heh. |
| 12:47.25 | bob2 | no |
| 12:47.27 | bob2 | use apm |
| 12:47.27 | abrotman | jkern: moment |
| 12:47.28 | sanxiyn | Perhaps apt secure is http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ |
| 12:47.49 | Eclipser | bob2, how do you explain it that it worked before then |
| 12:47.56 | MegaByte | Speaking about kernels... |
| 12:48.06 | HipHob | hmm ok i've just added wireless_key1 password wireless_defaultkey 1 wireless_keymode open , but i get Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 12:48.06 | bob2 | becausethe kernel blacklists old bioses now |
| 12:48.11 | bob2 | since they're almost always fucked |
| 12:48.16 | Eclipser | eh |
| 12:48.16 | bob2 | perhaps you're lucky |
| 12:48.17 | HipHob | i'm not sure why i would get that, or really what it means to be honest |
| 12:48.17 | Eclipser | that's stupid |
| 12:48.23 | MegaByte | has any of you built 2.6.12 or 2.6.11, or any of their variants, from scratch? |
| 12:48.24 | abrotman | jkern: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 12:48.55 | jkern | abrotman: I will check that out - 10q |
| 12:49.00 | abrotman | 10q? |
| 12:49.01 | bob2 | yes, it's way stupider than dealing with a bajillion bug reports from people with shitty hardware |
| 12:49.06 | resiak | abrotman: "Thank you". |
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| 12:49.13 | resiak | abrotman: (in Moron.) |
| 12:49.14 | abrotman | resiak: can't people just say that? |
| 12:49.22 | abrotman | what's so hard about that? .. |
| 12:50.11 | resiak | abrotman: Hey, I don't know. Maybe you should ask them? kthxbi |
| 12:50.56 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 12:51.00 | bob2 | even if it is a sunday |
| 12:51.01 | wild2283 | jeez take a pill |
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| 12:51.44 | abrotman | resiak: that hurt |
| 12:51.58 | resiak | abrotman: Oh. |
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| 12:54.08 | Eclipser | works now |
| 12:54.13 | Eclipser | used acpi=force :p |
| 12:54.20 | resiak | abrotman: my debina isntaled suse |
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| 12:54.51 | abrotman | resiak: you sohuld trade for a burner :) |
| 12:55.01 | abrotman | Eclipser: you have battery!>?!?!?! |
| 12:55.13 | Eclipser | yes I have, and a processor too |
| 12:55.28 | abrotman | dude .. that kicks ass |
| 12:55.33 | abrotman | you sohuld get .. what's that called .. RAM |
| 12:55.38 | abrotman | i heard that stuff kicks ass |
| 12:55.40 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 12:57.46 | tosh | mmm |
| 12:57.50 | sanxiyn | How random is RAM? |
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| 12:57.58 | tosh | dpkg says it configured lilo.conf but there is entry added for my new kernel image |
| 12:58.12 | resiak | sanxiyn: Depends if it's bad RAM. If it is, then all kinds of random things happen! |
| 12:58.29 | tosh | if its bad ram you get a lot of signal 11 errormsgs |
| 12:58.37 | abrotman | tosh: read what you typed |
| 12:58.51 | Eclipser | haha |
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| 12:59.08 | abrotman | tosh: it configured lilo .. or not ? |
| 12:59.19 | tosh | it says it did, but it didn't |
| 12:59.24 | tosh | don't see any changes in lilo.conf |
| 12:59.33 | abrotman | tosh: see ... now you clarified :) |
| 12:59.39 | abrotman | tosh: use grub |
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| 12:59.41 | Eclipser | there's a symlink /vmlinuz usually |
| 12:59.43 | abrotman | wait .. not a valid answer |
| 12:59.59 | sanxiyn | Today I received this wonderful discussion from some random mailing list: "What is Jedi robe?" "I think it's what Jedi wear as robe?" |
| 13:00.04 | abrotman | tosh: it didn't make a change anywhere? .. where does /vmlinuz point ? |
| 13:00.18 | tosh | abrotman to my current kernel |
| 13:00.25 | abrotman | sanxiyn: australian mailing list ? |
| 13:00.26 | tosh | it just added the files in /boot but didn't do anything |
| 13:00.34 | tosh | dpkg is a lazy sod :) |
| 13:00.42 | resiak | tosh: So add the right entry into lilo.conf ? |
| 13:00.50 | abrotman | tosh: grub works better in most cases .. at least from what i've found |
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| 13:01.01 | abrotman | resiak: too obvious .. ! |
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| 13:02.03 | Eclipser | I hope this battery lasts the whole 4hour trip tomorrow |
| 13:02.19 | abrotman | Eclipser: i've found the estimates it gives to be wrong usually ... |
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| 13:02.25 | Eclipser | :) |
| 13:02.29 | Eclipser | yea |
| 13:02.34 | abrotman | Eclipser: but i've also found that if you turn down the brightness .. big big difference |
| 13:02.34 | Eclipser | probably lasts around two |
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| 13:02.50 | Eclipser | my brightness level is at minimum and it's still too bright sometimes :p |
| 13:02.53 | Phated | Don't plau any music, too. |
| 13:03.01 | Phated | s/au/ay/ |
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| 13:03.11 | abrotman | Eclipser: stop watching flash movies |
| 13:03.15 | Eclipser | ha ha |
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| 13:03.36 | Eclipser | this screen is excellent |
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| 13:04.45 | tosh | warning: the bootsector and map file are on different disks. mmm.. should I be concerend? |
| 13:04.56 | tosh | concerned* |
| 13:04.57 | abrotman | cute |
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| 13:05.04 | abrotman | this is why i stopped using lilo :) |
| 13:05.19 | MegaByte | Guys, when I use 2.6 I get some of my video skipping when I play games that use all CPU |
| 13:05.22 | tosh | im afraid installing grub now will fsck things up |
| 13:05.25 | MegaByte | that shouldn't happen |
| 13:05.27 | MegaByte | why is it? |
| 13:05.33 | abrotman | tosh: are you familiar with grub ? |
| 13:05.37 | tosh | MegaByte did you define enough videoram in X? |
| 13:05.43 | tosh | abrotman im running it on my laptop |
| 13:05.53 | kiko | hello |
| 13:05.53 | tosh | abrotman im afraid of the whole LABEL thing :) |
| 13:05.58 | abrotman | LABEL ? |
| 13:06.00 | sanxiyn | Isn't Avogadro's number bigger? |
| 13:06.06 | cwood | Question... newraff and newsamosa are the Debian machines that sync the Sid archives? I've searched on Google, and can't find an exact mention of what they do. |
| 13:06.08 | resiak | tosh: Then don't use the whole LABEL thing? |
| 13:06.08 | kiko | 2¤ question !!! |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | tosh: i just run update-grub;grub-install :) |
| 13:06.32 | tosh | mmm |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | tosh: anyways ... |
| 13:06.39 | kiko | can i install Openoffice 2 in my debian ? |
| 13:06.40 | tosh | lilo/grub |
| 13:06.41 | MegaByte | tosh, that didn't happen in 2.4. And about video ram, I put it to be detected automatically. |
| 13:06.51 | tosh | MegaByte what kind of videocard? |
| 13:06.51 | jetx | hey somebody make a bittorrent client that sits there monitoring all the torrents you have seeds for, but it only enables the seeding when there are no other seeds or distributed copies |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | tosh: as long as you know about how to get lilo to fix itself .. or you have a boot disk of some sort |
| 13:07.16 | cwood | jetx: Sounds like you just volunteered. ;) |
| 13:07.17 | tosh | gonna try lilo first, see if that works |
| 13:07.17 | MegaByte | tosh, geforce4 mx 440 64mb |
| 13:07.23 | tosh | bbiab |
| 13:07.28 | abrotman | tosh: i meant .. you do have a rescue disk right ? |
| 13:07.30 | MegaByte | tosh, as I told you it didn't skip in linux 2.4 branch |
| 13:07.42 | jetx | kiko: it should work. the kanotix ppl are using oo 2. might require sid though, i've no idea. |
| 13:07.46 | sanxiyn | kiko: Yes, you have my permission. |
| 13:07.48 | tosh | abrotman I have a debian cd, thats enough ;) |
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| 13:07.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:07.59 | AuroraMSX | 'lo |
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| 13:08.04 | jetx | cwood: if i only had a brain |
| 13:08.11 | amorph_ | hi |
| 13:08.27 | sanxiyn | jetx: Microcephaly is too bad. |
| 13:08.44 | jetx | sanxiyn: i said brain, not head. :o |
| 13:08.46 | abrotman | jetx: Wyzard ? .. in #debian Wyzard ? |
| 13:09.00 | MegaByte | tosh, I've tested vanilla 2.6.12.2, 2.6.12.3, 2.6.12, 2.6.12 with patchsets (cko and love)... all buggy, so now I'm testing vanilla 2.6.11 |
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| 13:09.09 | jetx | abrotman: it was a play on words... if i only had a brain was the scarcrow |
| 13:09.12 | MegaByte | even 2.6.11-cko5 didn't help |
| 13:09.13 | jetx | scarecrow |
| 13:09.46 | abrotman | jetx: make me hurt you |
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| 13:09.52 | amorph_ | im having a problem with net sharing, after upgrading (and then downgrading) my kernel and reinstalling my system. i was using iptables and masquerading before my rules dont seem to work anymore. Can anyone give me a pointer? |
| 13:09.55 | sanxiyn | I think hobbits were suffering microcephaly. |
| 13:10.06 | jetx | abrotman: i've been sick for 3 days, you'll have to stand in line |
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| 13:10.19 | abrotman | jetx: isn't it summer there? |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | jetx: how was the hurricane? |
| 13:10.43 | jetx | ya. they tell me it's a summer cold. here in houston, just lots of rain. |
| 13:10.53 | abrotman | amorph_: #iptables would have links to docs |
| 13:11.06 | abrotman | amorph_: netfilter.org is one place |
| 13:11.14 | amorph_ | ok the problem is i dont have access to the web at this stage :-/ |
| 13:11.31 | amorph_ | im using irc in text mode via ssh |
| 13:11.32 | AuroraMSX | I just installed deb testing on my P3 1GHz and it's got horrible disk performance. As soon as I do a "mv file tohere" with a file of considerable size, the whole system slows down, because mv is taking 100% CPU :-( Any ideas? |
| 13:11.34 | cwood | amorph: Check ifyour rules are even enabled. Do 'iptables-save' as root -- do you have any rules active? |
| 13:11.44 | amorph_ | ok thanks cwood |
| 13:11.45 | Eclipser | amorph_, then use links or lynx :) |
| 13:11.49 | sanxiyn | w3m! |
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| 13:12.16 | abrotman | amorph_: so .. links ? |
| 13:12.30 | abrotman | AuroraMSX: Filesystem is ? |
| 13:12.32 | sanxiyn | (links and lynx couldn't handle non-latin languages too well in my experience, and that's critical for me...) |
| 13:12.40 | AuroraMSX | abrotman, reiserfs |
| 13:12.47 | sanxiyn | w3m works beautifully though. |
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| 13:12.53 | abrotman | isn't that expected behaviour with reiser ? |
| 13:12.54 | Eclipser | w3m text mode? |
| 13:12.58 | sanxiyn | Yes. |
| 13:13.01 | abrotman | AuroraMSX: which kernel ? |
| 13:13.06 | jetx | don't have access to the web but you're on irc... |
| 13:13.10 | Eclipser | the graphical w3m was quite awful |
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| 13:13.17 | jetx | on the same box... |
| 13:13.22 | abrotman | where's dpkg with his qotd |
| 13:13.22 | sanxiyn | Eclipser: Oh is there a graphical mode? |
| 13:13.25 | jetx | lynx |
| 13:13.31 | wild2283 | AuroraMSX: did you check if udma is enabled ? |
| 13:13.34 | AuroraMSX | Linux morpheus 2.6.8 #1 Sun Jul 17 18:02:49 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:13.38 | wild2283 | AuroraMSX: using hdparm |
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| 13:13.40 | jetx | elinks2 does graphics doesn't it? or something |
| 13:13.47 | sanxiyn | jetx: Yes it does. |
| 13:13.53 | AuroraMSX | hdparm says dma is disabled, but hdparm -I says |
| 13:13.58 | Eclipser | amorph_, you need to echo 1 to some file in /proc/net or something can't remember |
| 13:14.03 | AuroraMSX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.16 | sanxiyn | (links2, actually. elinks is a different beast.) |
| 13:14.17 | AuroraMSX | which, afaik, indicates that udma2 is active |
| 13:14.19 | jetx | the * is the current mode iirc |
| 13:14.22 | jetx | right |
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| 13:14.29 | wild2283 | AuroraMSX: correct. |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | AuroraMSX: not a sata drive is it ? |
| 13:14.54 | AuroraMSX | SO, why does a simple hdparm /dev/hda say that dma is NOT active? |
| 13:14.57 | jetx | i 'think' you can set stuff on the ide channel, and also the hd itself |
| 13:14.59 | abrotman | which .. nevermind |
| 13:15.03 | AuroraMSX | normal IDE, no SATA |
| 13:15.17 | abrotman | AuroraMSX: yeah .. i'm slow this AM .. silly ball game and beer! |
| 13:15.22 | jetx | i KNOW i can turn off smart on my hd |
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| 13:15.54 | abrotman | AuroraMSX: don't touch the stuff .. it will kill you ... |
| 13:16.01 | Eclipser | cola \o7 |
| 13:16.13 | abrotman | water ? |
| 13:16.15 | abrotman | juice ? |
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| 13:16.28 | jetx | does hdparm actually adjust the hd, or the ide ? |
| 13:16.59 | amorph_ | links does not work over ssh |
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| 13:17.10 | Eclipser | elinks |
| 13:17.24 | resiak | amorph_: Yes, it does. |
| 13:17.30 | Eclipser | or links2 |
| 13:17.34 | amorph_ | doesnt here |
| 13:17.38 | ma3x | i start qtparted, but cannot delete the damn vfat partition |
| 13:17.39 | amorph_ | lynx does tho |
| 13:17.43 | ma3x | it says status: read only |
| 13:17.45 | ma3x | why? |
| 13:17.53 | ma3x | how should i delete it? |
| 13:18.16 | resiak | ma3x: umount it ? |
| 13:18.22 | theDark | how can i reserve all channels except one (e. g. #public) with ircd-hybrid? thx |
| 13:18.25 | resiak | amorph_: "Doesn't work" |
| 13:18.26 | ma3x | resiak it's already unmounted |
| 13:18.28 | amorph_ | lynx rocks |
| 13:18.29 | resiak | theDark: Read its docs ? |
| 13:18.39 | bob2 | theDark: try their IRC channel, wherever that may be |
| 13:18.40 | ma3x | ah, hold on |
| 13:18.43 | amorph_ | resiak: blank screen/freezes shell session |
| 13:18.46 | wild2283 | ma3x: did you get errors while umounting ? |
| 13:18.47 | ma3x | the 2nd partition is still mounted |
| 13:19.06 | wild2283 | ma3x: besides. why not use cfdisk or fdisk ? |
| 13:19.09 | jetx | !info links-ssl |
| 13:19.24 | theDark | resiak, i have read the documents, but i have nothing found, and on their homepage are no faq and also no irc channel |
| 13:19.28 | jetx | ~info links-ssl |
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| 13:19.35 | AuroraMSX | anyhow, trying to force the dma mode on /dev/hda doesn't work either (prolly because the drive already uses udma2) |
| 13:19.49 | sanxiyn | links-ssl: Dummy package for transition to elinks |
| 13:20.03 | jetx | yes i know i did apt-cache first :o |
| 13:20.07 | ma3x | wild2283 dont like cfdisk, doesnt have all the necessary options i need |
| 13:20.12 | ma3x | and fdisk, too lazy to learn it |
| 13:20.15 | wild2283 | ma3x: like ? |
| 13:20.25 | sanxiyn | Hm, I see Tag: line in apt-cache output? |
| 13:20.27 | ma3x | wild2283 like resizing |
| 13:20.28 | sanxiyn | When was that added? |
| 13:20.31 | wild2283 | ma3x: it can probably delete your partition, i'd say that's necessary enough :P |
| 13:20.34 | jetx | what's to learn about fdisk? how to hit the m key. |
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| 13:21.00 | resiak | theDark: Oh what a shame! How should we know ? |
| 13:21.00 | bob2 | hm, knowing when to split out stuff is hard |
| 13:21.08 | wild2283 | ma3x: jetx is right. just do it (tm) |
| 13:21.46 | jetx | !test |
| 13:21.46 | sanxiyn | It seems that debian-legal thinks CDDL(OpenSolaris license) is non-free. Curious. |
| 13:21.50 | ma3x | okay, nowi have /dev/sda-1 free space |
| 13:21.51 | jetx | ~test |
| 13:21.51 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 13:22.00 | ma3x | and /dev/sda2 = ext3 |
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| 13:22.19 | jed_ | __ |
| 13:22.20 | ma3x | i want to resize the ext3 partition to fill up all the free space |
| 13:22.22 | wild2283 | ma3x: that's good for you! :) (what are you expecting us to say now ?) |
| 13:22.27 | theDark | resiak, i thougt that someone maybe set up such a server with ircd-hybrid, but it doesn't seem so |
| 13:22.28 | wild2283 | ah |
| 13:22.31 | bob2 | last I heard they'd only said it was annoyingly gpl-incompatible |
| 13:22.36 | ma3x | but qtparted has disabled the option resize |
| 13:22.42 | ma3x | why, i wonder? |
| 13:22.49 | jetx | omg! |
| 13:22.49 | wild2283 | ma3x: resize2fs maybe ? |
| 13:22.58 | wild2283 | ma3x: but not if it's in use |
| 13:23.29 | ma3x | it's umounted |
| 13:23.38 | ma3x | The resize2fs program will resize ext2 file systems |
| 13:23.42 | ma3x | is that valid for ext3? |
| 13:23.43 | jetx | back up the data, and low level format the fugger. btw, if you'll be using windows in a dual boot schema, create the partitions in windows. |
| 13:23.58 | AuroraMSX | Hm, no new ideas, I guess... |
| 13:24.02 | ma3x | im not gonna use it in winnie |
| 13:24.07 | AuroraMSX | Thanx for the help tho |
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| 13:24.11 | jetx | okie |
| 13:24.12 | wild2283 | ma3x: ext3 is essentially ext2 with a journal |
| 13:24.17 | wild2283 | ma3x: so... yes :) |
| 13:24.24 | ma3x | okay okay, reading the manual |
| 13:24.26 | wild2283 | unless you're using all the funky stuff, |
| 13:24.34 | wild2283 | like extended attributes, acls and whatnot |
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| 13:24.49 | ma3x | do i still need to backup, is there a risk of loosing data? |
| 13:25.07 | ma3x | (while enlarging the ext3) |
| 13:25.25 | wild2283 | there is always a risk of loosing data. |
| 13:25.28 | Eclipser | back up is always wise |
| 13:25.30 | nvz | as long as there is data there is a risk of loosing it and a need to backup |
| 13:25.36 | Gathond | ma3x: there is always a risk :) |
| 13:25.56 | wild2283 | you should always have backups before doing something to your filesystems/disks/partitions/xyz |
| 13:26.05 | ma3x | ah, come on, don't give me that ph33r |
| 13:26.15 | amorph_ | i made a backup but it hasnt done me any good |
| 13:26.21 | ma3x | resize2fs what should i set at [new-size] |
| 13:26.24 | ma3x | how do i specify the new size |
| 13:26.29 | ma3x | in MB, or GB |
| 13:26.42 | amorph_ | ive hosed my server and had to reinstall from scratch, lost 2 days so far |
| 13:26.43 | jetx | mb iirc |
| 13:26.46 | jetx | not sure |
| 13:26.55 | ma3x | hm, these cmd line options are never safe for me |
| 13:26.59 | wild2283 | ma3x: it's blocks afaik hoold |
| 13:27.02 | wild2283 | -o |
| 13:27.09 | ma3x | thats why i always like gui |
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| 13:27.18 | jetx | back the data up, low level format. |
| 13:27.32 | Poseidon | With wget how do I grab a whole directory of text files from a particular website like: www.url.com/texts/ and only that directory? |
| 13:27.33 | ma3x | yeah, i'll loose half more hour for the backup |
| 13:27.34 | PeterB | ma3x: Read the first paragraph of the manpage. |
| 13:27.38 | ma3x | but who cares, at least will be safe |
| 13:27.41 | jetx | man wget |
| 13:27.47 | wild2283 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.02 | jetx | ahh |
| 13:28.14 | bob2 | Poseidon: -r |
| 13:28.18 | ma3x | huh! |
| 13:28.21 | Poseidon | thanks |
| 13:28.49 | ma3x | okay let's fire up fdisk and try to slam the drive |
| 13:29.29 | wild2283 | ma3x: hold :) |
| 13:29.31 | Eclipser | fdisk doesn't save data though |
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| 13:29.48 | wild2283 | ma3x: you had the problem that parted disabled resize ? |
| 13:29.51 | amorph_ | what is ipmasq for |
| 13:29.52 | nvz | I need to call the man, and see if he'll make a delivery on sunday 8P .. I'm feeling downright lazy ever after that shitty party on friday |
| 13:29.54 | wild2283 | or was that someone else ? |
| 13:30.08 | ma3x | wild2283 yes |
| 13:30.17 | ma3x | i did have it |
| 13:30.17 | jetx | you shouldn't have anything on your computer that you give a shit if you lose it, that isn't backed up. |
| 13:30.37 | wild2283 | ma3x: tune2fs ^has_journal /dev/disk_here |
| 13:30.38 | Eclipser | unless it's not worth back up |
| 13:30.41 | amorph_ | is ipmasq superceeded in kernel 2.6? |
| 13:30.44 | wild2283 | well partition_here really |
| 13:30.47 | wild2283 | then use parted |
| 13:30.54 | ma3x | wild2283 what's that cmd for? |
| 13:30.58 | wild2283 | then: tune2fs has_journal /dev/partition_here |
| 13:31.01 | wild2283 | disabling the journal |
| 13:31.07 | wild2283 | and the 2nd for enabling it |
| 13:31.08 | bob2 | which is hard to do |
| 13:31.20 | wild2283 | bob2: hm ? |
| 13:31.25 | ma3x | okay, the partition has to be umounted before that, right? |
| 13:31.30 | ma3x | or not necessairly? |
| 13:31.36 | wild2283 | ma3x: yup |
| 13:31.38 | jetx | mr. scott is dead. :( |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | jetx: duh |
| 13:31.47 | wild2283 | jetx: been for a few days |
| 13:31.52 | nvz | no I'm not 8P |
| 13:31.53 | Eclipser | ah, back to FF7 |
| 13:31.55 | amorph_ | i have my net sharing working |
| 13:31.58 | amorph_ | yay |
| 13:32.01 | Poseidon | bob2, -r gets more than just that dir |
| 13:32.12 | jetx | -r is recursive isn't it |
| 13:32.22 | wild2283 | jetx: most of the time |
| 13:32.22 | ma3x | wild2283 tune2fs ^has_journal /dev/disk_here |
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| 13:32.26 | ma3x | are you sure that's correct? |
| 13:32.56 | ma3x | with -J maybe |
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| 13:33.14 | wild2283 | ma3x: nope. with -O |
| 13:33.17 | Eclipser | looking good, this comp has been on for an hour with out AC and still 85% of battery left |
| 13:33.21 | wild2283 | in front of ^has_journal |
| 13:33.35 | bob2 | Poseidon: yes, you'll need other options, too |
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| 13:33.48 | ma3x | alrighty then, tuned |
| 13:33.54 | wild2283 | now parted away |
| 13:34.42 | jetx | Poseidon: maybe you will only get the directory, unless you specify -r, then it descends. or did it not work that way. |
| 13:34.44 | ma3x | this is dumb |
| 13:34.49 | ma3x | now i can click on resize |
| 13:34.51 | jetx | yes it is. |
| 13:34.52 | ma3x | but then i can't resize |
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| 13:34.56 | wild2283 | enlarge your pen1s, +3 inches.... err partition |
| 13:34.59 | ma3x | becuase the free space is /dev/sda1 |
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| 13:35.03 | ma3x | and the ext3 is /dev/sda2 |
| 13:35.13 | ma3x | so i'll have to do it jet's way! |
| 13:35.15 | Poseidon | jetx, wget url/dir didnt work, and -r got the whole site. |
| 13:35.18 | wild2283 | ma3x: in that case you want lvm :) |
| 13:35.24 | ma3x | lvm = ? |
| 13:35.32 | ma3x | leave me/ |
| 13:35.43 | jetx | ma3x: my way is bare metal it. |
| 13:35.45 | wishie | why is http.us.debian.org missing some of the xorg debs ? |
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| 13:36.08 | ma3x | jetx you mean open the hard disk to get some fresh air? |
| 13:36.10 | jetx | and have backups |
| 13:36.13 | Yaroon | So, I want to install something and it reports: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 2 package `dpkg': |
| 13:36.15 | jetx | well almost |
| 13:36.16 | Yaroon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.20 | wild2283 | ma3x: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatislvm.html |
| 13:36.24 | Yaroon | And indeed, the file says Version: |
| 13:36.25 | jetx | if you have a clean room, sure go for it :) |
| 13:36.40 | wild2283 | ma3x: well, this rather http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatisvolman.html |
| 13:36.49 | Yaroon | /var/lib/dpkg/status is the file |
| 13:37.37 | wishie | is that all the file says Yaroon ? |
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| 13:38.12 | wishie | Yaroon: you _really_ dont want that file to be corrupt. |
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| 13:38.12 | Yaroon | wishie: yes. |
| 13:38.20 | ma3x | wild2283 : should i install it? |
| 13:38.26 | Yaroon | Package: dpkg |
| 13:38.27 | Yaroon | Version: |
| 13:38.27 | Yaroon | Status: install ok installed |
| 13:38.32 | Yaroon | That's all there is in there. |
| 13:38.40 | amorph_ | what does zeroing the superblock on a raid do? |
| 13:38.48 | wishie | in the entire file ? |
| 13:38.51 | amorph_ | will it destroy an existing array's data? |
| 13:38.54 | wild2283 | ma3x: well it's a little late now, the disk needs to be organized via lvm before you put data on it |
| 13:39.00 | Yaroon | That's the entire /var/lib/dpkg/status file, yes. |
| 13:39.05 | wishie | damn! |
| 13:39.13 | wishie | wishie@fallen:/var/lib/dpkg$ cat status |wc -l |
| 13:39.13 | wishie | 24151 |
| 13:39.15 | Leona | hello ! i would like to know how tomount a floppy on debian ? |
| 13:39.18 | wild2283 | amorph_: err i think your raid package will grab the superblock from another disk |
| 13:39.20 | wishie | mine has 24151 lines in it |
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| 13:39.30 | garou | After upgrading to Xorg I found two errors in its logs: The modules xie and pex5 can't be loaded ("module does not exist"). How do I fix that? Does that have to do with the fact that ATM no client, not even xdm, can connect to the server? |
| 13:39.35 | possie | how can i see the interface rules with iptables -nL ? |
| 13:39.37 | Yaroon | eden:/var/lib/dpkg# cat status | wc -l |
| 13:39.37 | Yaroon | 3 |
| 13:39.50 | wishie | Yaroon: not good. i dont know how to fix it |
| 13:39.56 | amorph_ | how can i tell if my raid module is compiled into kernel or not? |
| 13:39.58 | wishie | is there a status-old ? |
| 13:40.04 | Yaroon | Yes. |
| 13:40.10 | wishie | any bigger ? |
| 13:40.16 | wild2283 | amblin: lsmod |
| 13:40.18 | TD | hi - how would I find out why the gtkmm2.4-dev package does not include static archives? |
| 13:40.18 | Yaroon | A lot. |
| 13:40.24 | Yaroon | eden:/var/lib/dpkg# cat status-old | wc -l |
| 13:40.24 | Yaroon | 13840 |
| 13:40.24 | wild2283 | amblin: if it shows up, it isn't |
| 13:40.27 | amorph_ | wild2283: thanks |
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| 13:40.40 | wishie | Yaroon: well, thats probably a valid file. whats the timestamp on it |
| 13:40.52 | tosh | abrotman my ps2 mouse is in the other corner of the room now |
| 13:40.54 | Yaroon | June 12th. |
| 13:40.54 | tosh | crying |
| 13:40.57 | wishie | Yaroon: it might not be totally up-to-date/accurate, but its better than your 'status' file |
| 13:41.02 | Yaroon | My status file is June 16th. |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | tosh: how many pieces? |
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| 13:41.23 | tosh | still in one piece, but he looks pretty depressed |
| 13:41.33 | abrotman | tosh: what's the backup ? |
| 13:41.35 | Yaroon | copied status-old to status, now it works. |
| 13:41.36 | wishie | Yaroon: id try backing up both files, and then copying status-old to status |
| 13:41.36 | tosh | I gave him a whole speech and everything |
| 13:41.43 | Yaroon | Yep, that's what I did. |
| 13:41.52 | Leona | how do i mount floppy disk on debian ? |
| 13:41.54 | Yaroon | No idea how it became corrupt. |
| 13:41.56 | tosh | using a usb mouse now, using /dev/input/mice, works perfectly |
| 13:41.58 | amorph_ | wild2283: do u run a raid yourself? |
| 13:41.58 | wishie | Yaroon: the only problem is, it wont know what programs you installed in the last few days |
| 13:42.08 | wild2283 | amorph_: yup. pata raid 5, five disks |
| 13:42.09 | Yaroon | I haven't done anything in a month. |
| 13:42.13 | wishie | well, between 12th and 16th of June |
| 13:42.13 | garou | Okay, maybe this one then... How do I downgrade to testing, purging anything that has to do with unstable? |
| 13:42.15 | abrotman | tosh: ok .. maybe the other mouse died? |
| 13:42.18 | wild2283 | amorph_: using mdadm |
| 13:42.22 | Yaroon | I just started the PC yesterday, after a month of downtime. |
| 13:42.24 | tosh | abrotman it worked in gpm |
| 13:42.32 | tosh | that time of the month I suppose |
| 13:42.35 | abrotman | tosh: hrm .. |
| 13:42.39 | Yaroon | Leona: mount /floppy |
| 13:42.43 | tosh | anyway, thanks for your time :) |
| 13:42.44 | wishie | Yaroon: well, you may be in luck. try to find a cause for its corruption though |
| 13:42.45 | amorph_ | wild2283: i have raid-5 also, 5 disks, but two are redundant since i added them after i constructed the raid and they cant be used |
| 13:42.47 | Leona | thank you |
| 13:42.53 | jetx | !downgrade |
| 13:42.54 | Yaroon | Leona: does that work? |
| 13:42.59 | jetx | ~downgrade |
| 13:43.00 | apt | well, downgrade is not possible with apt-get at the moment and probably never will be supported because why would you want to downgrade in the first place? Not possible because some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later...but if you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read ... |
| 13:43.02 | wishie | man, working at a bakery has its advantages. |
| 13:43.05 | poncha|work | hi |
| 13:43.18 | poncha|work | any idea what can be used to join several mpeg movies into one ? |
| 13:43.20 | wild2283 | amorph_: so you want to use one of the two for data ? |
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| 13:43.26 | poncha|work | i need a commandline tool |
| 13:43.34 | jetx | thick |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | wild2283: i wish i meant monkey in that fashion |
| 13:43.38 | wishie | poncha|work: mencoder |
| 13:43.40 | tosh | poncha type cmd.exe! |
| 13:43.47 | poncha|work | wishie, thanks |
| 13:43.50 | abrotman | tosh: sorry it didnt' magically work :) |
| 13:43.50 | amorph_ | wild2283: i want to remove those two from the raid-5 and make a separate raid-1 i think |
| 13:43.53 | wild2283 | abrotman: eeek eeek yuk yuk eeek yak eek |
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| 13:43.59 | jetx | mencoder or transcode |
| 13:44.00 | wishie | poncha|work: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html#id2885641 |
| 13:44.10 | dodgyville | Hi |
| 13:44.13 | jetx | mplayer likes mencoder |
| 13:44.15 | wild2283 | amorph_: that won't work. you need one parity disk |
| 13:44.20 | tosh | abrotman guess im out of magic :) |
| 13:44.21 | garou | aptI would because f*** Xorg is not accepting any connections, and life without X just plain sucks. |
| 13:44.27 | ma3x | when i cp, how do i separate folders or files |
| 13:44.32 | abrotman | tosh: blue smoke gone!!?!?!! |
| 13:44.32 | ma3x | like cp folder,folder2... ? |
| 13:44.39 | amorph_ | wild2283: two those extra drives were bought to provide some network drive space for mamba for windows clients |
| 13:44.42 | rilat | hii again |
| 13:44.42 | wild2283 | garou: i live without x... and i'm happy |
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| 13:44.49 | tosh | abrotman I feel like rincewind sometimes :) |
| 13:44.51 | amorph_ | wild2283: raid-0 then? |
| 13:44.53 | Leona | ill tell you when i come back , wile doing the install using netinstall with my dsl , signal faded could not finish the instalation yaarg , so what am doing is downloding the 4 files needed to finish intall place them in a floppy and know going to try and install them using the floppy so ill tellyou if it work if i get to log in . thank you brb |
| 13:44.56 | jetx | mamba? is that like tango? or waltz? |
| 13:45.00 | dodgyville | Does anyone know a good link for people who want to make a distribution based on debian? |
| 13:45.04 | amorph_ | *samba |
| 13:45.04 | wild2283 | amorph_: whoa, hold it. |
| 13:45.12 | abrotman | tosh: beer ? |
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| 13:45.14 | wild2283 | amorph_: are you using mdadm or raidtools ? |
| 13:45.19 | amorph_ | mdadm |
| 13:45.20 | wishie | ma3x: cp folder1 folder2 folder3 new-folder |
| 13:45.32 | ma3x | thanks wishie |
| 13:45.37 | tosh | abrotman the magician |
| 13:45.40 | jetx | cp -a maybe, also |
| 13:45.53 | amorph_ | at the moment my raid-5 isnt up |
| 13:45.53 | wild2283 | amorph_: pastebin your mdadm --detail /dev/md0 output |
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| 13:46.00 | rilat | what shall I do apart form changing soruces.list and update and upgrade, to change from sarge to etch? |
| 13:46.00 | wishie | more sultana bread for me! |
| 13:46.04 | amorph_ | i just pray the data isnt lost |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | tosh: oh .. i'm not up on magicians |
| 13:46.11 | amorph_ | ok |
| 13:46.27 | wild2283 | amorph_: in that case, you can mdadm --examine /dev/<oneofthearraydisks> |
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| 13:46.31 | jetx | rilat: it's dist-upgrade, but you got it |
| 13:46.34 | tosh | abrotman if you get the chance, read "the color of magic" of the discworld series by terry prachett |
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| 13:46.52 | amorph_ | im gonna restart mdadm after i reconfigured the array from my backup config |
| 13:46.54 | amorph_ | brb |
| 13:46.56 | garou | wild2283: In that case let me clarify... Though life without X might not suck per se, it absolutely positively does if you're studying CompSci, specializing in interactive medias and have a computer graphics exam in two months. |
| 13:46.58 | wishie | why is everyone ignoring that http.us.debian.org is missing xorg debs |
| 13:47.02 | abrotman | tosh: after Zinn and Intentional Hubris .. maybe :) |
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| 13:47.06 | poncha|work | wishie, heh... according to that page, i can simply cat several mpeg files into one... but that does not work well ... |
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| 13:47.13 | wild2283 | garou: hehe |
| 13:47.16 | jetx | wishie: because it's sid? |
| 13:47.39 | wishie | jetx: half the updates are on the mirror, but alot of files are missing. although the Packages file says they are there |
| 13:47.47 | wild2283 | garou: i've been trying to avoid xorg for a while now, but i've heard it's gotten better. xfree isn't an option ? |
| 13:47.47 | ninereeds | could any body give me an short intro howto use dpkg-bot |
| 13:47.47 | abrotman | tosh: oh .. it's fiction |
| 13:47.49 | ninereeds | pls |
| 13:47.54 | jetx | wishie: that's normal, for sid. |
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| 13:47.58 | jetx | happens |
| 13:47.59 | abrotman | ninereeds: he's not here right now |
| 13:48.11 | tosh | abrotman fantasy to be more specific |
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| 13:48.13 | wishie | jetx: but the other mirrors have the files ? |
| 13:48.23 | jetx | do they? |
| 13:48.29 | ninereeds | ohh ? |
| 13:48.31 | ninereeds | Why not |
| 13:48.38 | tosh | abrotman I should read it again, but I already have 4 books on my nightcabinet |
| 13:48.44 | jetx | verify the versions |
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| 13:48.47 | poncha|work | wishie, if i cat several mpeg files together, in some (most actually) cases the sync of video and sound breaks |
| 13:48.58 | rilat | jetx: is it worth the change from sarge to etch, for a "standard user" (i.e. office, music, burn cd, and so on)? |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | tosh: shouldn't i finish Zinn first? |
| 13:49.13 | jetx | rilat: i believe so, ymmv |
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| 13:49.18 | wild2283 | poncha|work: because there's a header at the beginning of each file ? :) |
| 13:49.26 | garou | wild2283: Well, I tried purging Xorg from my system. In the optimal case I'd like to get back this nice dialog that asked me if I wanted XFree or Xorg, but this far I didn't find it. |
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| 13:49.47 | wild2283 | garou: dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system maybe ? |
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| 13:49.52 | tosh | abrotman whats it about? |
| 13:50.18 | poncha|work | wild2283, yeah thats what i think (but in most cases i seen it mentioned, people say that cat file1 file2 .. filen > outfile.mpg should work for mpegs) |
| 13:50.21 | wishie | try the avi way then, see if that works |
| 13:50.30 | garou | wild2283: That returns without any output. |
| 13:50.31 | abrotman | tosh: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060528427/qid=1122213014/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-0734528-6860006?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 13:50.34 | wild2283 | poncha|work: nope. i don't think so |
| 13:50.34 | bob2 | note that you can't get rid of x.org |
| 13:50.41 | wild2283 | garou: :( |
| 13:50.44 | bob2 | at most you can switch back to the xfree86 X server |
| 13:50.50 | poncha|work | gonna try the "avi way" now :) |
| 13:50.53 | bob2 | x.org is proving xlibs et al |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | tosh: history book .. from the .. socialist/populist/liberal side |
| 13:51.35 | wishie | jetx: even my isps debian mirror has the xorg packages |
| 13:51.40 | wishie | but http.us.debian.org doesnt |
| 13:52.11 | tosh | abrotman I see |
| 13:52.23 | tosh | abrotman Im from europe... where the history comes from :) |
| 13:52.30 | bob2 | yes, some mirrors are fucked |
| 13:52.38 | bob2 | since ftp-master went down during the mirror pulse |
| 13:52.47 | bob2 | you'll have to wait for it to be fixed next week |
| 13:52.50 | wishie | which mirror is the 'master' as such ? |
| 13:52.51 | amorph_ | wild2283: i dont seem to have no raidtab file, is this normally manually created or created by raidtools? |
| 13:52.52 | poncha|work | tried this... mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -o out.mpg video/1000.mpg video/0100.mpg video/0010.mpg video/0001.mpg |
| 13:52.55 | basix | my isp is somehow blocking bittorrent traffic. I tried changing the ports which bittorrent uses but I think they are blocking it by using a transparent proxy. I really don't know how they are doing it but I just can't use bittorrent. I double checked my settings and they are ok. I want to download linux distros using bittorrent so how do i get it working??? |
| 13:52.58 | poncha|work | got segmentation fault :( |
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| 13:53.04 | bob2 | wishie: ftp-master.debian.org, which is gone |
| 13:53.17 | bob2 | basix: talk to your ISP |
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| 13:53.27 | wishie | hmm, righto. i assume its being 'fixed' ? |
| 13:53.28 | tosh | abrotman if you're going to whatthehack next week ill buy you a beer :) |
| 13:53.30 | wild2283 | amorph_: raidtools != mdadm, raidtools uses the raidtab file, mdadm does it the proper way and uses the info stored on the disks |
| 13:53.38 | amorph_ | ah |
| 13:53.46 | Gathond | poncha: I dont think mencoder supports multiple files into one, but with MPEG encoding you can just cat the files together |
| 13:53.52 | abrotman | tosh: in .. uhm .. netherlands ? |
| 13:53.52 | HipHob | hey, i'm using ndiswrapper to work with my belkin broadcom chipset, wireless card, the light on the card is on, and i've loaded the module, and i have set the essid etc to the AP accordingly,however when i set the key i 'iwconfig wlan0 key s:password' i get SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid Argument. |
| 13:53.57 | tosh | abrotman correct |
| 13:54.03 | basix | bob2: i did. they wont listen. they can't understand the difference between kazaa and bittorrent! They think its always used for illegal purposes :@ |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | tosh: i am not .. but i know someone who is :) |
| 13:54.16 | abrotman | tosh: i don't think i write enough code to be useful |
| 13:54.17 | wild2283 | amorph_: there is an mdadm.conf in /etc/mdadm/ |
| 13:54.19 | wishie | poncha|work: tried transcode ? |
| 13:54.31 | tosh | abrotman thats not the idea, if you're into technology you should come |
| 13:54.32 | wild2283 | amorph_: but that's not really required |
| 13:54.39 | amorph_ | wild2283: im confused becuz i have both, mdadm.conf and the raidtab |
| 13:54.39 | poncha|work | Gathond, cat files together does not work well... audiov/video sync breaks |
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| 13:54.43 | abrotman | tosh: i'm in philly :) |
| 13:54.52 | amorph_ | both are now configured correctly |
| 13:54.53 | tosh | abrotman thats a long swim ;) |
| 13:54.54 | poncha|work | wishie, nope, did not try yet :) |
| 13:54.56 | Gathond | poncha: never had that problem with mpeg files |
| 13:54.58 | garou | basix: In a working capitalism you'd change your ISP now. *ducks and covers* |
| 13:54.59 | abrotman | tosh: long flight too |
| 13:55.05 | wild2283 | amorph_: just pastebin the real data. if the array is up, use mdadm --detail /dev/md0, if not mdadm --examine /dev/one/of/the/array/disks |
| 13:55.10 | amorph_ | ok |
| 13:55.17 | poncha|work | Gathond, i have video stopping and audio freaking out all the time |
| 13:55.19 | basix | garou: thats not an option right now :P |
| 13:55.20 | tosh | abrotman not that long really, 8 to 9 hours? |
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| 13:55.30 | fido_ | HipHob: iwconfig wlan0 key password <-- no "s:" in there |
| 13:55.31 | abrotman | tosh: depends where i have to have a layover |
| 13:55.32 | tosh | abrotman I was in DC a couple of weeks ago and that was a 9 hour flight |
| 13:55.34 | wild2283 | amorph_: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 13:55.41 | Gathond | poncha: I have not experienced that |
| 13:55.53 | abrotman | tosh: anything exciting or just fun ? |
| 13:55.58 | tosh | HipHob you need "s:" if you want to enter the key in ascii |
| 13:56.08 | wishie | poncha|work: are the 2 mpegs the same bitrate etc ? |
| 13:56.09 | tosh | abrotman for business |
| 13:56.13 | amorph_ | wild2283: thanks. it says its not active :-/ |
| 13:56.16 | tosh | abrotman manassas and DC |
| 13:56.18 | amorph_ | i started it tho |
| 13:56.18 | abrotman | tosh: i bet that's no fun ... |
| 13:56.27 | tosh | abrotman long hours |
| 13:56.30 | poncha|work | mm |
| 13:56.30 | wild2283 | amorph_: lemme see the output |
| 13:56.36 | amorph_ | ok |
| 13:56.36 | abrotman | tosh: i'm sure |
| 13:56.46 | basix | well? someone? |
| 13:56.51 | poncha|work | transcode requires "libavifile" which is not in apt sources i have |
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| 13:57.09 | jbl | sup dudes |
| 13:57.16 | poncha|work | i have standard sarge's apt + nerim.net |
| 13:57.16 | richard_ | hello |
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| 13:58.08 | tosh | abrotman I couldn't live there, it would depress me |
| 13:58.11 | sgeigerbot | Can someone remind me what the URL of the Web page that shows which Debian packages have been added and/or updated each day? |
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| 13:58.23 | abrotman | tosh: i probably couldn't live in DC either .. philly isn't nearly as bad :) |
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| 13:59.12 | garou | Um... apt-get install x-window-system now defaults to Xorg without asking? :( |
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| 13:59.26 | wishie | whats wrong with xorg |
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| 13:59.40 | wishie | its worked perfectly here |
| 13:59.42 | amorph_ | wild2283: http://pastebin.com/319635 |
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| 13:59.57 | garou | wishie: It perfectly denied to work here. |
| 13:59.59 | abrotman | garou: yes .. it does .. sid is getting xorg .. don't like it .. don't run sid :) |
| 14:00.09 | abrotman | @xorg |
| 14:00.10 | ravenbird | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 14:00.12 | wishie | garou: for what reason ? |
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| 14:00.28 | wild2283 | amorph_: err... i'm talking about mdadm output. hold. i'll show you |
| 14:00.38 | amorph_ | sorry |
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| 14:00.53 | SilverspurG | Um. Actually, sid moves into xorg. |
| 14:01.05 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:01.10 | SilverspurG | sid has xorg |
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| 14:01.15 | resiak | abrotman: ravenbird's factoid is out of date. |
| 14:01.21 | abrotman | resiak: i know .. but dpkg is dead |
| 14:01.29 | resiak | abrotman: Fix ravenbird! |
| 14:01.30 | wild2283 | amorph_: http://pastebin.com/319636 |
| 14:01.36 | abrotman | resiak: you ! |
| 14:01.38 | amorph_ | http://pastebin.com/319635 |
| 14:01.56 | Tuttle_ | Hi, I got really strange thing going on my syslog. I've installed Debian Sarge in January with vsftpd server using PAM for authentication. But all log messages looks like this: Jul 23 08:13:01 hostname .177.102.164: connected: (pam_unix) session opened for user FTPUSER by (uid=0). The same goes for closing session. The first two chars of any IP address is cut. Does anyone have a clue what the heck is this? |
| 14:01.59 | resiak | abrotman: Piss off, I'm going back to Ox. |
| 14:02.15 | SilverspurG | and it's a pita because the mesa and glut libs are fubared. |
| 14:02.16 | abrotman | resiak: shouldn't you be there already? |
| 14:02.21 | amorph_ | wild2283: i dont think its starting the raid up |
| 14:02.23 | resiak | abrotman: Why? |
| 14:02.27 | asg | resiak: we need to bribe simonrvn to sync ravenbird with dpkg's database. |
| 14:02.30 | wild2283 | amorph_: use --examine <disk-in-array> then, just as i pasted |
| 14:02.31 | abrotman | resiak: cause it's .. school? |
| 14:02.33 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 14:02.33 | SilverspurG | so, ideally, just freeze all the x stuff until they get it sorted out. |
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| 14:02.36 | amorph_ | ok |
| 14:02.38 | wild2283 | amorph_: i see that it's not up ;) |
| 14:02.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:02.41 | asg | abrotman: morning |
| 14:02.41 | resiak | asg: Hell, blootbots can do that automagically. |
| 14:02.44 | wishie | why are people saying that xorg and nvidia dont work ? it works perfectly here. |
| 14:02.45 | SilverspurG | if you've already begun the upgrade, you have my sympathy. |
| 14:02.49 | amorph_ | hehe |
| 14:02.49 | resiak | abrotman: I'm not _at_ school. |
| 14:02.56 | garou | wishie: I wish I knew. Two modules (pex5 and xie) seem to "simply" be absent on my box. The grey X-background comes up after startx, the mouse can be moved, both keyboards (both USB and PS2) go dead, no client at all can connect to the server. An xterm hangs at a select(), more I couldn't find out yet. |
| 14:02.57 | abrotman | @xorg nvidia |
| 14:03.02 | abrotman | bah .. i fucking give up |
| 14:03.12 | abrotman | wishie: the packager said there's a problem |
| 14:03.22 | wishie | so ? install from the nvidia installer. |
| 14:03.28 | wishie | thats all i did. |
| 14:03.43 | SilverspurG | the nvidia binary drivers work nicely over the Xfree install |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | wishie: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 14:03.49 | SilverspurG | for both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 14:03.52 | amorph_ | wild2283: http://pastebin.com/319639 |
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| 14:04.31 | wild2283 | amorph_: you set the array up with four disks initially ? |
| 14:04.33 | wishie | ive got 3 boxes running sid/xorg/nvidia. all working perfectly. |
| 14:04.45 | SilverspurG | they (nvidia) require the removal of open gl from the XF86Config-4 file, but xmms OpenGL spectrum analyzer still works. |
| 14:04.46 | amorph_ | wild2283: 3 disks initally |
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| 14:04.59 | SilverspurG | wishie: you have xorg working out of sid? |
| 14:05.13 | wishie | xorg/sid/nvidia |
| 14:05.26 | wishie | works perfectly, on 3 machines. |
| 14:05.26 | SilverspurG | wishie: last week I had problems with audacity, grip, and one other app when sid attempted to upgrade to xorg |
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| 14:05.44 | abrotman | wishie: make sense ? |
| 14:05.46 | SilverspurG | it was in the mesa and gl libs... some conflict in the upgrade. |
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| 14:05.53 | jetx | ~lart abrotman |
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| 14:06.01 | abrotman | ~love jetx |
| 14:06.01 | apt | If you love jetx so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 14:06.01 | garou | *bbiab, sending my box to nirvana* |
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| 14:06.06 | SilverspurG | but if you can get audacity now with the sid xorg, then I guess they've got it worked out. |
| 14:06.08 | abrotman | jetx: why aren't you a screamer anymore ? |
| 14:06.10 | amorph_ | wild2283: this server came with 3 seagate 18GBs, then later i added 2 HP 18GB onto it |
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| 14:06.28 | wild2283 | amorph_: mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/<the-disk-now-marked-as-faulty> |
| 14:06.30 | jetx | 4 letters vs 11 |
| 14:06.33 | amorph_ | ok |
| 14:06.33 | viper__ | hey buddies I`ve a little question .. I`m setting up poptop in debian but when a client tries to connect it says this : ul 24 09:42:10 localhost pppd[4491]: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 14:06.37 | viper__ | Jul 24 09:42:10 localhost pppd[4491]: Exit. |
| 14:06.41 | abrotman | jetx: tab complete! |
| 14:06.46 | viper__ | can I fix this ? |
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| 14:06.47 | jetx | plus it's my username |
| 14:06.59 | lord_rob | Is "newraff & newsamosa down and being moved" the reason why no new packages seem to come into sid ? |
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| 14:07.36 | asg | lord_rob: yes |
| 14:07.42 | lord_rob | ok |
| 14:07.45 | amorph_ | wild2283: damn, it said cannot get array info for /dev/md0 |
| 14:07.46 | wishie | audacity 1.2.3-1 running on sid/xorg/nvidia |
| 14:07.52 | SilverspurG | nice. |
| 14:07.54 | wishie | SilverspurG: so, it seems to be fine. |
| 14:08.08 | amorph_ | wild2283: i can disable in config and attempt a restart? |
| 14:08.36 | wild2283 | amorph_: have no fear, let's set up your mdadm.conf |
| 14:08.41 | amorph_ | ok |
| 14:08.47 | abrotman | asg: also where people.d.o is ? |
| 14:08.51 | wild2283 | amorph_: you can use mine as a base and modify it to your needs |
| 14:08.58 | amorph_ | i have a backup of my working mdadm.conf |
| 14:09.11 | wild2283 | ah cool use that then |
| 14:09.25 | amorph_ | it should work ok for this new installation? but i setup my raid a couple of years back |
| 14:09.26 | asg | abrotman: people is on gluck |
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| 14:09.31 | amorph_ | no, a year ago |
| 14:09.33 | abrotman | asg: it's also not responding |
| 14:09.33 | garou | Running testing xfree now... Boy, youwouldn't believe what a relief coluors can be... |
| 14:09.39 | asg | abrotman: it's pinging |
| 14:09.47 | abrotman | asg: http is .. messed |
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| 14:10.09 | wild2283 | amorph_: make a backup of the current one, and then use the original backup |
| 14:10.10 | asg | abrotman: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/list/debian-doc.en.html (pulled up for me) |
| 14:10.12 | wishie | 12:10am. just finished work. going to bed. |
| 14:10.14 | SilverspurG | hm. there's no xorg stuff in my dselect anymore |
| 14:10.16 | SilverspurG | at all. |
| 14:10.18 | amorph_ | ok |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | asg: http://people.debian.org/ .. dies |
| 14:10.25 | wild2283 | amorph_: then try mdadm -As |
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| 14:10.37 | viper__ | anyone expierenced with poptop installation ?? |
| 14:10.37 | wishie | SilverspurG: odd. |
| 14:10.41 | asg | abrotman: yes, that's a redirect to db |
| 14:10.56 | abrotman | asg: which is gone :) |
| 14:11.02 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 14:11.07 | SilverspurG | wishie: that's what I'm thinking. I'm using the unstable repositories, yet I still have Xfree 4.3 now. |
| 14:11.17 | wild2283 | amorph_: or you could just do mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /all/other/array/devices/here |
| 14:11.28 | amorph_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:11.47 | wishie | SilverspurG: apt-cache policy xserver-common |
| 14:11.47 | amorph_ | wild2283: success |
| 14:12.03 | amorph_ | mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 2 drives (out of 3). |
| 14:12.30 | amorph_ | now we need to mount it eh |
| 14:12.35 | SilverspurG | what's even more odd is that I have two machines that are freshly reinstalled two weeks ago. One of them is now correctly updating to xorg. The other just plain doesn't know anything about xorg. |
| 14:12.36 | abrotman | MOO |
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| 14:12.52 | wishie | SilverspurG: same repos ? |
| 14:12.57 | amorph_ | wooohoo my data is safe |
| 14:12.59 | SilverspurG | and why the heck does erc always get emacs-chess!??? |
| 14:13.05 | wishie | SilverspurG: perhaps one was updated after ftp-master died ? |
| 14:13.08 | SilverspurG | wishie: exact same sources.list files. |
| 14:13.11 | amorph_ | wild2283: many thanks for your patience/time :) |
| 14:13.11 | wild2283 | amorph_: good boy :) |
| 14:13.27 | SilverspurG | I've updated them both, according to procedure (U for update) |
| 14:13.27 | amorph_ | i will add that 3rd drive back in |
| 14:13.28 | wild2283 | amorph_: no problem at all. but now - what do you want to do ? |
| 14:13.30 | amorph_ | its not faulty |
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| 14:13.47 | wishie | SilverspurG: try with apt.. apt-get update |
| 14:13.47 | amorph_ | i need to make the raid mount at boot |
| 14:13.59 | wild2283 | amorph_: to make sure it doesn't confuse mdadm you could add it as if it was a replacement disk |
| 14:14.01 | amorph_ | and also i should add the third disk back |
| 14:14.06 | SilverspurG | do you know how long it takes for emacs-chess to build its lisp junk on a 400 MHz machine? |
| 14:14.13 | amorph_ | ok |
| 14:14.24 | resiak | SilverspurG: Seven years, plus or minus a month. |
| 14:14.56 | SilverspurG | something like that |
| 14:15.22 | SilverspurG | hm. all the X stuff came back with 404 not found. |
| 14:15.30 | wishie | well,as i said, only recently finished work (30 mins or so ago) and its now 12:15am, so im off to bed |
| 14:15.33 | wishie | night all |
| 14:15.35 | SilverspurG | I guess today isn't the best day to upgrade xorg with sid |
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| 14:15.42 | wishie | SilverspurG: ahh, the -4 packages ? |
| 14:16.06 | wishie | thats what ive been trying to say to people..that the mirror is fscked up. you want to install the -3 packages |
| 14:16.23 | SilverspurG | invalid signatures in the update... |
| 14:16.39 | wishie | SilverspurG: apparently some mirrors are fscked up at the moment |
| 14:16.48 | wishie | suprisingly, my local isp's mirror is fine. |
| 14:16.49 | wild2283 | amorph_: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/new/hard/disk/to/be/added |
| 14:16.57 | SilverspurG | it's okay. it's unstable. these things happen. |
| 14:17.04 | wild2283 | amorph_: that'll erase any array information stored on that disk |
| 14:17.08 | SilverspurG | I can wait. Right now Xfree 4.3 is working nicely. |
| 14:17.16 | wishie | SilverspurG: well, the fact that its sid has nothing to do with the 404s |
| 14:17.20 | amorph_ | wild2283: ahh cant i just add it back without erasing? |
| 14:17.41 | wild2283 | amorph_: then, mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/disk/to/be/added |
| 14:17.52 | wild2283 | amorph_: if you're sure the data on there is ok, yep |
| 14:17.56 | SilverspurG | wishie: I dunno... it doesn't work. |
| 14:18.19 | amorph_ | im not 100% sure, but fairly |
| 14:18.31 | wishie | SilverspurG: as i said, some mirrors are fscked up, and missing files. try another mirror. if you're really keen ftp.iinet.net.au has a debian mirror, and the xorg packages |
| 14:18.35 | wild2283 | amorph_: go ahead then :P |
| 14:18.39 | amorph_ | hehe |
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| 14:19.04 | wishie | SilverspurG: obviously the mirror you are currently using is incomplete |
| 14:19.05 | coywolf | how to allow normal users to use loop device? |
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| 14:19.48 | SilverspurG | wishie: just a few standard mirrors. http.us.debian.org security... |
| 14:19.53 | amorph_ | my drive is back into the family |
| 14:20.02 | wishie | http.us.debian.org is certainly incomplete |
| 14:20.05 | wild2283 | amorph_: whoa, careful, you don't want ls to --zero-superblock the disks ;) |
| 14:20.08 | SilverspurG | how sad |
| 14:20.16 | wishie | SilverspurG: i know for a fact its missing packages |
| 14:20.17 | amorph_ | true :) |
| 14:20.29 | wild2283 | coywolf: chmod the device file |
| 14:20.37 | amorph_ | i just added the status one and examine |
| 14:20.48 | wild2283 | coywolf: or create a new group, chgrp the device file and add the users to that group. |
| 14:20.49 | SilverspurG | it's odd that two different machines have different packages. |
| 14:20.52 | dogmeat | where can i find the boot up messages ? |
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| 14:21.01 | asg | dogmeat: /var/log/dmesg |
| 14:21.03 | wishie | SilverspurG: as i said, if you want to install xorg in the meantime, deb ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian unstable main contrib <-- i think. |
| 14:21.11 | jetx | dogmeat: you have to enable the bootlog |
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| 14:21.21 | coywolf | wild2283, it's udev |
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| 14:21.36 | dogmeat | jetx: how do i enable bootlog? |
| 14:21.36 | wild2283 | coywolf: uhm... not sure then |
| 14:21.39 | bob2 | !+hold |
| 14:21.45 | asg | bob2: no dpkg |
| 14:21.46 | bob2 | apt: hold |
| 14:21.47 | apt | hmm... hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or ... |
| 14:22.06 | asg | dogmeat: look in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 14:22.08 | Coyctecm | hi! I have in gnome menu one entry/folder caller "other" how can I get it away...?it's empty... |
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| 14:22.32 | jetx | irc.gimp.org #gnome |
| 14:22.45 | jetx | if all else fails |
| 14:22.50 | wishie | argh! bed! |
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| 14:22.53 | wishie | *gone* |
| 14:22.56 | wild2283 | hmm |
| 14:23.02 | dogmeat | asg: thanks |
| 14:23.04 | mirak | hi |
| 14:23.14 | mirak | anyone here from tchecoslovakia ? |
| 14:23.15 | wild2283 | has anyone ever tried repairing broken video dvd files where the vobs are ok, but the ifos screwed ? |
| 14:23.28 | wild2283 | mirak: this is not a dating line :P |
| 14:23.33 | wishie[sleep] | wild2283: ifoedit and wine :) |
| 14:23.45 | mirak | wild2283: I have something to traduce |
| 14:23.54 | wild2283 | wishie[sleep]: got windows machines, no prob |
| 14:24.05 | wishie[sleep] | ifoedit will create new ifos if you want it to |
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| 14:24.12 | wild2283 | wishie[sleep]: just not sure how to go about |
| 14:24.13 | wild2283 | it |
| 14:24.14 | asg | mirak: #debian-cz |
| 14:24.14 | wild2283 | hmm |
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| 14:24.20 | mirak | asg: thanks |
| 14:24.35 | wishie[sleep] | open it up, click "create ifos" and then selec the first VOB in the sequence, and wait. |
| 14:24.36 | dogmeat | why do i see man pages when my MANPATH is not set? |
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| 14:24.45 | asg | dogmeat: system default |
| 14:24.56 | wild2283 | wishie[sleep]: playing the video on a win machine tells me the movie length is 1:25 (although it's 2:something) but plays beyond that 1:25 |
| 14:24.58 | asg | dogmeat: /etc/manpath.config |
| 14:25.05 | wild2283 | wishie[sleep]: okay, thx :) |
| 14:25.05 | jetx | because |
| 14:25.29 | wishie[sleep] | *gone* (really) |
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| 14:25.42 | wild2283 | nitey nite wishie |
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| 14:26.12 | black13 | who to you "startx" as a non-root user? |
| 14:26.19 | amorph_ | is there a command to force update of aliases? |
| 14:26.21 | asg | ENOPARSE |
| 14:26.25 | nicknicknick | is clamav.net dead? |
| 14:26.31 | nicknicknick | can't surf to it |
| 14:26.35 | asg | amorph_: /etc/aliases? |
| 14:26.48 | amorph_ | aliases for bashrc |
| 14:26.53 | asg | amorph_: source ~/.bashrc |
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| 14:26.57 | amorph_ | thanks |
| 14:27.47 | mirak | asg: it's not very crowded there :) |
| 14:27.48 | amorph_ | is the command "update" used at all by system? |
| 14:27.58 | asg | mirak: I know, sorry. |
| 14:28.03 | amorph_ | i want to use it for my source alias |
| 14:28.20 | mirak | asg: any idea where I could fine a channel with tchekoslovak people ? |
| 14:28.21 | asg | amorph_: man update ; help update ; apt-file search bin/update |
| 14:28.31 | amorph_ | ah |
| 14:28.32 | asg | mirak: google irc slovak |
| 14:28.37 | wild2283 | i would have suggested... |
| 14:28.46 | wild2283 | dpkg -S update |grep bin |
| 14:28.49 | wild2283 | ;) |
| 14:28.55 | mirak | asg ok |
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| 14:29.07 | richard_ | Coyctecm has anyone answered your question? |
| 14:29.10 | wild2283 | which leads me to believe... no |
| 14:29.55 | asg | wild2283: wims: usr/lib/wims/bin/update |
| 14:30.31 | wild2283 | asg: don't get that pkg here. |
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| 14:30.44 | wild2283 | don't think usr/lib/wims/bin is in the path though |
| 14:30.57 | wild2283 | so it should be safe |
| 14:31.08 | asg | wild2283: no, though his question was rather vague. |
| 14:31.37 | asg | wild2283: besides, even if one did exist, the alias would override it though he could still use abs paths to get to it. |
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| 14:31.58 | wild2283 | mhm |
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| 14:32.29 | ma3x | what tool in KDE is used for exporting images? |
| 14:32.53 | ma3x | let's say i copy from my camcorder to the hdd, one photo 500 kbytes |
| 14:33.00 | ma3x | i wanna reduce it to 50-100 kbytes |
| 14:33.04 | ma3x | what tool is used? |
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| 14:33.25 | ma3x | howdy wild? |
| 14:33.46 | wild2283 | dd if=./image of=./image bs=1k count=50 ;) |
| 14:33.51 | wild2283 | that'd get it small |
| 14:33.59 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 14:34.09 | simonrvn | and useless |
| 14:34.16 | wild2283 | seriously... no clue - not a gui person |
| 14:34.25 | ma3x | haha |
| 14:34.27 | wild2283 | simonrvn: that's the point ;) |
| 14:34.40 | ma3x | simonrvn you got the better idea? |
| 14:34.41 | simonrvn | gimp, the imagemagick apps, any number of things |
| 14:34.59 | wild2283 | imagemagick damn, coulda thought of that one |
| 14:35.04 | simonrvn | @tell ma3x -about search |
| 14:35.15 | wild2283 | that should give you a nice way of automating things too |
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| 14:35.28 | abrotman | ma3x: mpg or jpg ? |
| 14:35.36 | ma3x | jpg |
| 14:35.48 | suman | hi all |
| 14:36.03 | suman | when i try to read a cdrom on linux, i get the a 6093 Bus Error, any idea how i can fix it, the cd works fine on windows |
| 14:36.04 | simonrvn | all left 20 min ago |
| 14:36.29 | ma3x | abrotman : jpg |
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| 14:36.40 | abrotman | imagemagick .. or gimp |
| 14:36.43 | wild2283 | hmm http://pastebin.com/319649 - is that some mono stuff ? |
| 14:36.46 | wild2283 | looks funky |
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| 14:37.40 | abrotman | wild2283: python |
| 14:37.48 | abrotman | wild2283: my guess anyways |
| 14:39.00 | viper__ | What does it mean if poptop errors out with this "pppd[4707]: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument" when a client tries to connect ??? |
| 14:39.12 | jetx | http://www.google.com/linux?q=lmlm4+stream+format&restrict=linux |
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| 14:39.29 | wild2283 | abrotman: indeed - looks like it: http://www.wellho.net/solutions/python-python-threads-a-first-example.html |
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| 14:40.57 | asg | viper__: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/09/msg01810.html (might give you a clue) |
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| 14:41.18 | viper__ | asg thnx |
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| 14:43.29 | echnaton | hi how to start/stop deamons in debian? |
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| 14:43.39 | asg | echnaton: /etc/init.d/daemon help |
| 14:43.48 | ma3x | where do i read more on ext journals? |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | the man page! |
| 14:44.07 | FieldySnuts | google? |
| 14:44.14 | asg | ma3x: man tune2fs |
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| 14:45.08 | mirak | anyone from hungaria here ? |
| 14:45.28 | abrotman | no .. but i'm hungry |
| 14:45.34 | black13 | i am starting x (startx) as a non-root user but when x starts xterm says im root |
| 14:45.36 | kzar | Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas about these two problems: When I turn the pc on it looks fine and everything, gets to the login prompt and I can login, but from then on most of the characters are giberish. The other problem is when I get into gnome I can move the mouse around ok but clicking doesn't work at all untill I click both buttons alot and then it starts working fine. |
| 14:46.13 | black13 | how do i startx as a non-root user and stay as a non root user |
| 14:46.22 | wild2283 | kzar: mouse problem: wrong mouse protocol ? |
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| 14:46.43 | wild2283 | kzar: gibberish doesn't help much... maybe wrong charset ? |
| 14:46.44 | echnaton | /etc/init.d/daemon help didt exists |
| 14:47.01 | wild2283 | well. movie time |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | @tell wild2283 about away |
| 14:47.17 | wild2283 | hmm |
| 14:47.23 | wild2283 | did that publicly announce ? |
| 14:47.30 | asg | wild2283: yes |
| 14:47.32 | ma3x | i mean what exactly is this feature 'journal'? is it only for to ensure filesystem consistency even across unclean shutdowns? |
| 14:47.32 | kzar | yea |
| 14:47.36 | wild2283 | k |
| 14:47.40 | kzar | i was typing a reply but you have gone now |
| 14:47.41 | asg | ma3x: yes |
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| 14:47.55 | ma3x | and if it has no journal, then it's ext2? |
| 14:47.56 | black13 | @tell black13 |
| 14:47.58 | asg | ma3x: yes |
| 14:48.02 | ma3x | that's the difference between ext2 and ext3? |
| 14:48.10 | asg | ma3x: ext3 is ext2 + journaling |
| 14:48.25 | kuene | how can i start a scrip via crontab (or on startup) that runs in a tty (just like the user would have logged in, in a real console). i want to process the keyboard input. |
| 14:48.27 | kzar | just get reiserfs, it seems pretty good |
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| 14:49.04 | ma3x | asg, i've set the line for the 2nd ext3 partition in /etc/fstab |
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| 14:49.32 | ma3x | are the options defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 good? |
| 14:49.57 | asg | black13: in what way does xterm indicate that it is running at root? |
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| 14:50.59 | asg | ma3x: those are fine. man mount (for other options and the definition of what those mean) |
| 14:51.11 | ma3x | asg: will it automatically mount on boot? |
| 14:51.30 | asg | ma3x: yes, defaults implies auto |
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| 14:52.16 | black13 | asg, whomai say i am root |
| 14:52.20 | ma3x | asg: why qtparted shows that 3 GB has been used of the new partition, when there is absolutely nothing on it |
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| 14:52.39 | ma3x | even df -h shows that only ~40 kb are only used |
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| 14:52.45 | ma3x | but qtparted shows different |
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| 14:53.18 | asg | ma3x: dunno, never used qtparted. |
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| 14:53.56 | asg | black13: did you 'su user' asg root before starting X? |
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| 14:54.08 | ma3x | for what is lost&found/ anyway? if some user finds something, to place it in that dir? |
| 14:54.23 | asg | ma3x: man fsck |
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| 14:55.01 | black13 | asg, no i am using rungetty |
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| 14:55.42 | asg | black13: does this symptom occur if you use the standard getty? |
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| 14:56.05 | black13 | asg, hadnt thought of that |
| 14:56.45 | kuene | black13, thanks that might be a solution also for my problem :) |
| 14:56.57 | rares000 | If I configure 4 virtual servers postfix forwards email to a catch-all address |
| 14:57.06 | black13 | kuene what are you working on? |
| 14:58.08 | rares000 | if I configure 1 virtual server and 4 subservers postfix only forwards the parent |
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| 15:00.45 | black13 | kuene i have build debian derivative that runs off of flash ... nice and small currently 42 meg and has xorg but i dont want root to be user that runs the programs |
| 15:00.45 | HipHob | ok well i give up with this wireless card, it's not going to work |
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| 15:01.28 | Eclipser | is there any software which would divide ~6GB of smallish files (sorted in directories) into CD images so that there wouldn't be much extra left on a CD |
| 15:01.38 | Eclipser | also the directory contents should be intact |
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| 15:01.56 | black13 | Eclipser rar |
| 15:02.09 | Eclipser | unpacked :) |
| 15:02.17 | black13 | Eclipser but its not opensource |
| 15:02.18 | ma3x | -:- cahoot [~radix@cahoot.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #debian |
| 15:02.23 | linuxfreck | Eclipser: there are several on freshmeat.net |
| 15:02.29 | ma3x | how is this guy using that domain name? |
| 15:02.37 | wild2283 | Eclipser: burn to the brim |
| 15:02.45 | Eclipser | brim? |
| 15:02.49 | wild2283 | but that's for win32 afaik |
| 15:03.02 | wild2283 | if anyone has a better idea, please let me know |
| 15:03.04 | wild2283 | i'm interested too |
| 15:03.24 | wild2283 | Eclipser: it's called "burn to the brim", bttb |
| 15:04.14 | Eclipser | cool |
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| 15:04.44 | Eclipser | some use for my dad's dozebox |
| 15:04.49 | black13 | asg, getty doesnt work properly |
| 15:04.50 | ma3x | error403_: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted! You should e2fsck. Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption. |
| 15:04.54 | vini | please, someone know how can I change subtitles size on Totem? |
| 15:05.05 | wild2283 | bleh. now someone give me a good linux alternative ;) |
| 15:05.06 | ma3x | with what option do i need to run e2fsck with? |
| 15:05.33 | wild2283 | ma3x: fsck.ext2 /dev/partition/to/be/checked ? |
| 15:05.34 | wild2283 | ;) |
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| 15:06.14 | ma3x | woooooooooooow, what was that? |
| 15:06.20 | wild2283 | netsplit |
| 15:06.24 | vini | :) |
| 15:06.29 | asg | abrotman: you spoke too soon |
| 15:06.47 | abrotman | gah! |
| 15:06.51 | cbr | why some version numbers have 2: infront of them? |
| 15:06.56 | cbr | or 1: |
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| 15:07.05 | ma3x | wild2283 on my ext3 i cannot delete a partition |
| 15:07.15 | ma3x | and i can't umount it because im running the system from it |
| 15:07.24 | ma3x | and i want to delete the 2nd ext partition |
| 15:07.26 | ma3x | how do i do it? |
| 15:07.39 | vini | please, someone know how can I change subtitles size on Totem? |
| 15:08.17 | asg | ma3x: boot into single user mode. Make your changes there. |
| 15:08.44 | wild2283 | ma3x: uh i didn't quite get the question |
| 15:08.59 | ma3x | wild2283 the drive im running my debian from... |
| 15:09.00 | Eclipser | wild2283, I might make a linux alternative as I have next month free time :) |
| 15:09.05 | ma3x | it has more partitions |
| 15:09.16 | ma3x | and im trying to delete the 2nd ext one |
| 15:09.32 | ma3x | but qtparted is showing disabled this option |
| 15:09.40 | ma3x | so asg says i need to boot into single user mode |
| 15:09.44 | ma3x | to delete that partition |
| 15:09.48 | ma3x | what do you suggest? |
| 15:09.51 | wild2283 | Eclipser: there's gotta be something :/ |
| 15:09.56 | rares000 | cbr #: means epoch means everything gets upgraded to #: regardless of version |
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| 15:10.13 | asg | ma3x: or find out what is using it (fuser, lsof) and kill what is using it. |
| 15:10.18 | wild2283 | Eclipser: there was a java app for windows from a german individual, but i can't find it anymore :( |
| 15:10.25 | Eclipser | wild2283, if you find one, please let me know :) |
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| 15:11.08 | Eclipser | otherwise I might just make one, but I have three other projects too |
| 15:11.32 | ma3x | asg nothing is using it |
| 15:11.34 | black13 | asg, some days you just say "shit" |
| 15:11.42 | ma3x | its /dev/hda4 |
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| 15:11.49 | ma3x | the undeletable partition |
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| 15:12.24 | asg | ma3x: then use fdisk or cfdisk to remove it |
| 15:12.30 | asg | black13: ? |
| 15:12.44 | ma3x | what is /dev/hdc ? |
| 15:12.55 | ma3x | why qtparted shows that, and mount not? |
| 15:12.56 | asg | ma3x: the 3rd ide drive in your system |
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| 15:13.32 | ma3x | asg : i have only one IDE hard drive and one USB (scsi emu) external hdd |
| 15:13.34 | jetx | possibly a cdrom |
| 15:13.44 | jetx | do you have a cd? or dvd? |
| 15:13.48 | jetx | on the ide chan? |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | moo |
| 15:14.02 | Phated | Moomoo! |
| 15:14.08 | ma3x | i have cd/dvd rom |
| 15:14.11 | asg | moo^3 |
| 15:14.11 | black13 | asg just frustrated |
| 15:14.24 | asg | black13: did the real getty also exhibit the same symptom? |
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| 15:14.26 | ma3x | Warning: Unable to open /dev/hdc read-write (Read-only file system). /dev/hdc has been opened read-only. |
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| 15:14.30 | Pego | hi |
| 15:14.35 | jetx | well my dvd writer is on /dev/hdd, and i've had one on /dev/hdc before |
| 15:14.37 | ma3x | probably you're right jetx |
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| 15:14.53 | phanter | the time settings are driving me crazy. The actual time is 17:15 here, but gnome tells me the time is 15:15. I use ntp (time should be correct). What goes wrong? |
| 15:15.01 | HipHob | god damn ndiswrapper, and the encryption key |
| 15:15.05 | asg | phanter: tzconfig |
| 15:15.06 | Pego | i have mounted /boot part on / :/ now i can't umount because he is busy :/ i have /dev/sda1 and /sda2 on / :/ |
| 15:15.14 | ma3x | and when i click on /dev/hda (in qtparted) it says this in the console: Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted! You should e2fsck. .... |
| 15:15.23 | ma3x | so should i do fsck /dev/hda ? |
| 15:15.23 | asg | ma3x: /dev/hda isn't a filesystem |
| 15:15.36 | jetx | ma3x: ls /dev/dvd, and if it's not there you will one day want to ln -sn /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
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| 15:15.54 | jetx | hda is the hd. hda1 is the first partition on the hd |
| 15:16.03 | antifuchs | teach udev to make the symlink for you (-: |
| 15:16.16 | jetx | oh udev, ignore me then. |
| 15:16.34 | ma3x | udev? |
| 15:16.36 | black13 | asg damn small linux uses 1:12345:respawn:/bin/bash -login >/dev/tty1 2>&1 </dev/tty1 |
| 15:16.40 | antifuchs | I'm just a spectator. ignore me (: |
| 15:16.44 | jetx | ~udev |
| 15:16.44 | apt | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit |
| 15:16.52 | FieldySnuts | ~insult me |
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| 15:17.01 | Eclipser | :p |
| 15:17.01 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:17.06 | jetx | apt has better insults |
| 15:17.10 | FieldySnuts | seems to |
| 15:17.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: insult me |
| 15:17.18 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 15:17.19 | ma3x | so should i run one fsck? |
| 15:17.22 | jetx | i remember apt was used more than dpkg when i first joined here |
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| 15:17.34 | ma3x | it says WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 15:17.42 | crafterm | hi all, any idea when ftp-master.debian.org will be back up? |
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| 15:17.44 | Skaja | how do i use dial up on a net install |
| 15:17.46 | Eclipser | unmount it first then |
| 15:17.48 | ma3x | severe damage ... |
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| 15:18.01 | ma3x | is it dangerous to run it? |
| 15:18.05 | Eclipser | yes |
| 15:18.06 | jetx | shutdown -Fr now |
| 15:18.16 | Eclipser | ma3x, better unmount it first |
| 15:18.17 | jetx | but |
| 15:18.29 | ma3x | Eclipser im running now on it |
| 15:18.33 | ma3x | how can i umount it? |
| 15:18.33 | wild2283 | Eclipser: DiscJuggler for win32 does it natively |
| 15:18.39 | wild2283 | (on the fly) |
| 15:18.46 | jetx | how to umount something |
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| 15:18.52 | jetx | try umount |
| 15:18.52 | wild2283 | that's as far as i've come :( |
| 15:18.53 | phanter | asg, but the timezone is set correctly. |
| 15:18.55 | Eclipser | BTTB does it fine too |
| 15:19.02 | asg | black13: well, in that case, I'd expect it would probably be root since there is nothing in that line to indicate which user should be logged in |
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| 15:19.11 | ma3x | jetx i mean my debian is on it |
| 15:19.12 | FieldySnuts | ~spank Phated |
| 15:19.12 | apt | ACTION bends Phated over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Phated's pasty white buttocks. |
| 15:19.20 | FieldySnuts | what the heck is ibot |
| 15:19.20 | ma3x | so is that not crazy to umount something that's in use? |
| 15:19.21 | wild2283 | Eclipser: yeah but adds an extra step. sucky if you have very large amounts of data (<60gb) and want to burn to dvd |
| 15:19.22 | amorph | lol |
| 15:19.26 | wild2283 | which i've done before with bttb |
| 15:19.30 | wild2283 | painful and slow |
| 15:19.35 | ma3x | !tell amorph about lol |
| 15:19.35 | jetx | ma3x: shutdown -Fr now will reboot you and run it on startup |
| 15:19.37 | black13 | asg yeah i need to step away for a bit |
| 15:19.39 | FieldySnuts | you do not want to umount things that are in use. unless you really must (easy to do damage) |
| 15:19.41 | Eclipser | I have only 6GB :) |
| 15:19.42 | wild2283 | discjuggler does that part on the fly |
| 15:19.42 | asg | black13: *nod* |
| 15:19.54 | Pego | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.07 | ma3x | jetx: ok, now how do i delete /dev/hda4? qtparted won't let me do it |
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| 15:20.30 | phanter | My timezone is correct. The actual time is 17:15 here, but gnome tells me the time is 15:15. I use ntp (time should be correct). What goes wrong? |
| 15:20.37 | jetx | cfdisk works for me, fdisk if i'm feeling 1337 |
| 15:20.53 | Skaja | fdisk is not leet |
| 15:21.05 | jetx | well it's more leet than cfdisk |
| 15:21.15 | jetx | no gui lookin thingy |
| 15:21.18 | TheAsp | real men use parted |
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| 15:21.25 | TheAsp | or dd |
| 15:21.41 | amorph | u guys are funny |
| 15:21.49 | TheAsp | no we arn't |
| 15:21.56 | Skaja | can some one help me |
| 15:22.01 | jetx | cfdisk /dev/hda should let you delete that partition though |
| 15:23.04 | jetx | Skaja: i've never done ppp in linux, but iirc the installer asks you if you want to use ppp to install with. |
| 15:23.17 | jetx | Skaja: debian.org has a howto |
| 15:23.30 | amorph | a friend of mine tried to upgrade his kernel and he was using lilo, but he decided to switch to grub at the same time he upgraded the kernel, after that he couldnt boot up the kernel and was getting a grub shell. what did he do wrong or miss out? |
| 15:23.30 | Skaja | ok thanks jet |
| 15:23.48 | asg | amorph: forgot to create a /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:23.53 | amorph | ahh |
| 15:24.19 | amorph | damn i knew it was something simple, but ive ended up reinstalling the system now |
| 15:24.21 | asg | amorph: or created one but told grub /boot was in the wrong place |
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| 15:24.44 | asg | amorph: you can still access a kernel if you have the grub shell though |
| 15:24.48 | amorph | which is best lilo or grub? |
| 15:24.51 | jetx | hit tab or something |
| 15:24.56 | asg | Phated: do they taste good? |
| 15:24.58 | FieldySnuts | Phated: oooo :) |
| 15:25.04 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hihi. |
| 15:25.05 | jetx | both function |
| 15:25.07 | FieldySnuts | hiiii. |
| 15:25.11 | TheAsp | high |
| 15:25.14 | jetx | some say grub has more functionality |
| 15:25.33 | amorph | is grub harder to deal with tho if you mess it up? lilo is more robust? |
| 15:25.56 | asg | amorph: no, grub is easier though you have to do more. If you bugger lilo, you need to boot from rescue media. |
| 15:26.04 | jetx | lilo is easier for my simple mind, so i personally choose lilo. |
| 15:26.06 | TheAsp | lilo and robust shouldnt be used in the same sentence |
| 15:26.06 | amorph | oh i see |
| 15:26.14 | jetx | since i'd have to learn grub, and i know lilo |
| 15:26.15 | amorph | haha |
| 15:26.26 | amorph | i have no fd on my server so i guess grub is best |
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| 15:26.35 | black13 | asg can the passwd and shadow files be transported |
| 15:26.49 | asg | black13: it depends |
| 15:26.57 | amorph | sherlock holmes is a fictional character |
| 15:27.23 | amorph | but what about dr watson? |
| 15:27.27 | black13 | asg how so |
| 15:27.33 | asg | amorph: that's some Windows Debug utility isn't it? |
| 15:27.51 | amorph | i think so |
| 15:27.54 | asg | black13: if the UIDs/GIDs match on both systems, then yes. Otherwise, you might break functionality or cause odd security problems. |
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| 15:28.27 | black13 | asg oh great |
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| 15:28.51 | amorph | ive reinstalled my system, got my raid back up, setup ipmasq, now i just need to setup all my apps back and nfs |
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| 15:29.16 | amorph | phew, ive lost 3 days and all i wanted to do was upgrade my kernel..ive ended up putting 2.4 back on, what a total waste of time |
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| 15:30.28 | jetx | Skaja: there is a linux fdisk also |
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| 15:31.36 | ma3x | i have the following line in /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 and still it doesn't want to mount on boot |
| 15:31.49 | amorph | ok..someone mentioned "backporting" earlier.. what does this entail exactly? say i want to run a package in unstable on testing, thats possible? |
| 15:32.07 | black13 | asg here is what i have done ... made a debian chroot and made it bootable ... it does boot |
| 15:32.16 | ma3x | ~backport |
| 15:32.16 | apt | hmm... backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 15:32.18 | asg | amorph: /msg ravenbird simple sid backport |
| 15:32.19 | PerfDave | amorph: Backporting involves compiloing a package from unstable against the libraries from testing or stable. |
| 15:32.27 | ma3x | ~nodm |
| 15:32.27 | apt | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" ... |
| 15:32.27 | amorph | phew |
| 15:32.45 | amorph | that sounds very...dodgy? |
| 15:33.10 | black13 | asg but now i am concerned about shadow passwd files |
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| 15:33.12 | asg | ma3x: can you manually mount it after boot? If so, usb support is probably not online when the system attempts to mount non-root filesystems. |
| 15:33.28 | amorph | are pre-compiled backported packages available? |
| 15:33.35 | ma3x | asg: yes i can manually mount it |
| 15:33.39 | ma3x | probably it is what you say |
| 15:33.49 | asg | black13: in what way are you concerned? |
| 15:34.21 | jetx | try auto |
| 15:34.40 | black13 | asg well when i used getty in my inittab and attempt a login it fails |
| 15:34.45 | ma3x | jetx : is auto not in the defaults? |
| 15:35.09 | jetx | i mean for the fstype |
| 15:35.15 | asg | black13: what does your getty line look like? |
| 15:35.32 | jetx | and you could also specify auto after defaults |
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| 15:35.44 | jetx | and why would you mount it on /media/usb? |
| 15:35.47 | nnacht | Hey. I 'm using GTK+ for windows, and I'm wondering how can I change the font size? |
| 15:35.50 | coywolf | how to convert ext2 to ext3? |
| 15:36.01 | asg | coywolf: /msg apt ext2->ext3 |
| 15:36.01 | black13 | asg "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" |
| 15:36.06 | jetx | ~ext2->ext3 |
| 15:36.16 | black13 | asg "2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2" |
| 15:36.22 | asg | black13: hmmm, okay. |
| 15:36.25 | jetx | oh i'm slo |
| 15:36.26 | black13 | asg and so forth |
| 15:36.32 | amorph | where can i get a backport of Interchange for Debian testing? |
| 15:36.43 | ma3x | this thing bothers me really |
| 15:36.58 | ma3x | when im in the console, and for eg. in /etc/ i type 'ls' |
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| 15:37.11 | ma3x | and because on laptop, the screen is small, i can't get everything at once |
| 15:37.16 | ma3x | so i have to page up |
| 15:37.18 | coywolf | asg, can I do that on / ? |
| 15:37.21 | asg | ma3x: ls | pager |
| 15:37.24 | ma3x | and i can't, when i press i get this character ~ |
| 15:37.33 | nnacht | anyone knows how can I change the font size in GTK+ Windows? |
| 15:37.33 | asg | coywolf: yes, but you'll have to unmount it first iirc |
| 15:37.42 | ma3x | why won't pause/break and then page up/down work? |
| 15:38.03 | asg | ma3x: because in unixland, we use pagers (like less, more, most) instead of the silly pause. |
| 15:38.28 | ma3x | hehehe freebsd has pause :) |
| 15:38.29 | asg | ma3x: also, the console buffer is limited. |
| 15:38.49 | asg | ma3x: linux has 'pause(2)' |
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| 15:38.56 | coywolf | asg, i can't umount root, do you mean mount ro ? |
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| 15:39.43 | asg | coywolf: well, you can try running tune2fs on the filesystem and then editing fstab and remounting it. |
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| 15:39.55 | FieldySnuts | use a livecd, check root that way. |
| 15:40.01 | amorph | how can i put my development environment on hold in apt so if i upgrade to Unstable I can still use an earlier gcc? |
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| 15:40.06 | asg | coywolf: it should work but if this is a critical system, I'd be weary of doing that. |
| 15:40.12 | asg | amorph: /msg apt hold |
| 15:40.14 | dan2_ | asg: morning |
| 15:40.14 | ma3x | so after the pause you should be able to hit page up , right? |
| 15:40.16 | amorph | asg: thanks |
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| 15:40.22 | ma3x | i get ~ instead |
| 15:40.25 | asg | dan2_: morning, sorry I skipped out yesterday, something came up. |
| 15:40.30 | asg | gah |
| 15:40.33 | amorph | hi Doc_linux |
| 15:40.34 | ma3x | oh shit, sorry |
| 15:40.35 | simonrvn | 'wary' |
| 15:40.41 | asg | simonrvn: danke |
| 15:40.45 | ma3x | stupid bitch |
| 15:40.47 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 15:40.57 | FieldySnuts | ~lart ma3x |
| 15:41.03 | amorph | wheres Phated |
| 15:41.07 | ma3x | chop me everybody |
| 15:41.13 | ma3x | that was the silliest thing i ever did |
| 15:41.14 | FieldySnuts | in my closet |
| 15:41.15 | simonrvn | ma3x: /ignored |
| 15:41.21 | asg | amorph: liking Fieldy's nuts last I heard |
| 15:41.26 | amorph | haha |
| 15:41.26 | asg | s/lik/lick/ |
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| 15:41.54 | dan2_ | asg: we need to go back to est, I want another hour of sleep ;) |
| 15:41.56 | amorph | is it realistic to run unstable with an earlier development environment? |
| 15:42.02 | asg | dan2_: heh |
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| 15:42.50 | simonrvn | @quit |
| 15:42.59 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 15:43.00 | ravenbird | Yes I'm online |
| 15:43.10 | simonrvn | ravenbird: quit |
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| 15:43.15 | simonrvn | ravenbird: exit |
| 15:43.21 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 15:43.39 | Eclipser | erf |
| 15:43.50 | amorph | hi |
| 15:43.50 | Eclipser | stupid BTTB and discjuggler whine about long file names |
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| 15:44.09 | amorph | is it safe to run unstable with an earlier gcc version from testing? |
| 15:44.30 | simonrvn | oh crap, cpp files |
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| 15:45.21 | black13 | whats wrong with cpp files? |
| 15:45.30 | simonrvn | i need audacity, but it's uninstallable, and it's been a bit too long to my liking for it to show up, some i'm building it here. including libflac support |
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| 15:46.01 | simonrvn | not the files, but what they mean, c++ tends to bloat to massive proportions when compiling them |
| 15:46.02 | deepan | what does TIME_WAIT in the netstat out put mean.. .... netstat output is ' tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2323 127.0.0.1:2024 TIME_WAIT -" |
| 15:46.16 | simonrvn | i mean /usr/bin/g++ |
| 15:46.21 | dan2_ | amorph: yes and no, all you compile will be incompatible with the new abi change |
| 15:46.25 | abrotman | so .. basically .. sid is a big pile of doggie doo eh ? :) |
| 15:46.38 | simonrvn | as usual. nothing new ;) |
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| 15:46.45 | amorph | dan2_ what does that mean in practical terms, i could end up with a crippled system? |
| 15:46.57 | black13 | asg when i try to login using getty |
| 15:47.17 | simonrvn | black13: um, you are already if you log in via the console... |
| 15:47.28 | simonrvn | getty launches login |
| 15:47.36 | Phated | amorph: What? |
| 15:47.44 | simonrvn | which then launches a login shell |
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| 15:48.04 | amorph | Phated why is gcc4 so messed up, and what can someone do about it who wants to run unstable but without the hassles |
| 15:48.16 | Phated | amorph: And... I would know, why? |
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| 15:48.17 | black13 | simonrvn i get a login prompt but when i type root and back space i get Login incorrect |
| 15:48.35 | amorph | well you're a veteran arent you heh |
| 15:48.38 | simonrvn | amorph: everything you build locally will be binary incompatible with everything in debian, eventually. IOW, fucked |
| 15:48.50 | amorph | damn |
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| 15:49.04 | simonrvn | amorph: don't run sid if you can't take the heat |
| 15:49.07 | Phated | Actually, I haven't upgraded my sid system for about two weeks now. I think with all the breakage in, I'd rather not, just yet. |
| 15:49.15 | ma3x | the first time i installed debian i remember i had mouse in the console |
| 15:49.19 | amorph | but if all i need to build is a kernel update once in a blue moon, should be ok? |
| 15:49.20 | ma3x | now it doesn't exist anymore |
| 15:49.29 | ma3x | should i send some cat to find it? |
| 15:49.38 | liran | even if i disabled the -nolisten tcp im still unable to see port 6000 listening on netstat. any ideas? |
| 15:49.44 | black13 | what is the pastbin for debian |
| 15:49.53 | black13 | pastebot i mean |
| 15:49.58 | phanter | somebody please help me. My timesettings are getting really on my nerves, I tried everything a 100 times. How can I see what the hardware time is, how can I set this to the system time and does it (automaticly) kn ow that we are in summer daylight saving time ? |
| 15:50.02 | amorph | well i can tell you now, gcc++ cant even compile a kernel in unstable without a lot of tweaking and hacking |
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| 15:50.36 | ma3x | how can i enable mouse in the console? |
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| 15:51.12 | black13 | asg what is the pastebot |
| 15:51.14 | amorph | unstable just got a whole lot harder to use |
| 15:51.24 | mwilson | amorph: I'd imagine it can't compile a kernel at all in unstable, since the kernel isn't written in C++. |
| 15:51.26 | covux | ma3x: install gpm package |
| 15:51.41 | amorph | mwilson so what can we do? |
| 15:52.00 | ma3x | one more thing |
| 15:52.00 | mwilson | amorph: What can you do for what? |
| 15:52.05 | ma3x | this might sound strange but ... |
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| 15:52.16 | amorph | mwilson compiling kernel in unstable |
| 15:52.20 | ma3x | when i have KDM, KDE display is different |
| 15:52.33 | mwilson | amorph: <shrug> Use the recommended compiler, of course. |
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| 15:52.34 | ma3x | when i remove KDM, KDE displays again different (larger fonts) |
| 15:52.41 | ma3x | how is this possible, what happens? |
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| 15:53.20 | zulu42 | OH NO X.org! Beware breakage! is there some more info somewhere? |
| 15:53.28 | mwilson | amorph: There's some reason you wouldn't just use 2.95.4, since that's the recommended kernel compiler? |
| 15:53.29 | amorph | mwilson: gcc++ is the recommended compiler for the kernel source compiling |
| 15:53.45 | mwilson | amorph: Except that it's not, of course, and never has been. |
| 15:53.48 | simonrvn | amorph: um, there is no gcc++ |
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| 15:53.55 | amorph | wmilson: how can you use an earlier gcc++? |
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| 15:54.06 | amorph | well gcc |
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| 15:54.54 | Gathond | amorph: set the CC variable in you shell to point at another? |
| 15:55.05 | amorph | phew |
| 15:55.13 | Gathond | use update-alternatives to make another the default compiler on your system? |
| 15:55.13 | ma3x | why is KDE's display not the same (fonts size, window size) when not/using KDM? |
| 15:55.16 | black13 | what is the debian pastebin? |
| 15:55.31 | FieldySnuts | ma3x: ask #kde perhaps |
| 15:55.34 | amorph | so its possible to run unstable and use an earlier compiler |
| 15:55.34 | mwilson | Gathond: gcc isn't controlled by the alternatives system. |
| 15:55.35 | ma3x | ~apt tell black13 about paster |
| 15:55.39 | deepan | when i tried telnet localhost 2323 i got "Connection closed by foreign host." .. and for ur information i was running htc in port 2323... why did the connection close? |
| 15:55.42 | ma3x | :) |
| 15:55.50 | FieldySnuts | ~ur |
| 15:55.51 | simonrvn | @tell black13 -about paster |
| 15:55.52 | Gathond | mwilson: ok, my mistake then |
| 15:55.53 | mwilson | amorph: Is there some reason why it wouldn't be? |
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| 15:55.59 | amorph | this might be an easier option for me than trying to mess with backport package |
| 15:56.01 | simonrvn | 15947 15948 simon 18 0 71208 47m 3748 22m R 0.6 38.8 0:17.85 cc1plus |
| 15:56.09 | simonrvn | on a box with 128, that's a lot |
| 15:56.11 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 15:56.23 | amorph | im just scared to go to unstable again |
| 15:56.27 | amorph | :-/ |
| 15:56.35 | thohal | any germans? |
| 15:56.39 | FieldySnuts | nen |
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| 15:56.45 | simonrvn | you shoulodn't be playing with fire if you don't have a fire suit on |
| 15:56.53 | amorph | true |
| 15:57.12 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 15:57.13 | amorph | why dont debian crew just put my package in testing! it was in before |
| 15:57.14 | hennewou | Can anyone make debian not spinning up the (startup) hard disc all the time when the system is idle (hard drive not being used)? It lookes like there is a proces that allways spins up the disc. I've searched the web for it but can't find anything and found some tutorials, but it doesn't help. |
| 15:57.39 | simonrvn | hennewou: lemme guess, you're using a journalling FS |
| 15:57.42 | amorph | why is my package dropped from testing eh |
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| 15:57.52 | hennewou | *I've searched the web for it band found some tutorials, but it doesn't help |
| 15:57.56 | Gathond | hennewou: syslog probably writes something to the log or you use a journalling filesystem |
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| 15:58.13 | simonrvn | or both |
| 15:58.22 | hennewou | gathond: I use Ext2 (they say it on tutorials) |
| 15:58.26 | covux | thohal: #debian.de |
| 15:58.56 | Gathond | hennewou: in that case it is not a journaling filesystem (if you did not mistype and meant Ext3 :)) so syslog probably |
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| 15:59.16 | SavannahLion | Hey guys |
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| 15:59.47 | thohal | thx @covux |
| 15:59.50 | viper_ | hi there I`ve successfully set up poptop but there is one problem left .. the usernames and passwords I put in /etc/chap-secrets are not accepted when I want to log in ... the syslog says pppd[2087]: Peer viper failed CHAP authentication |
| 16:00.08 | oaishdf | why does new apt-get complain that every package is unauthenticated? |
| 16:00.27 | hennewou | Gathond: I allready uninstalled 'sysklogd' allready |
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| 16:00.38 | simonrvn | what |
| 16:00.47 | mwilson | hennewou: And you did something that stupid because...? |
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| 16:00.57 | Gathond | oaishdf: you probably enabled some form of gpg signature verification, and no/not all packages in the reposiory is signed yet |
| 16:01.04 | simonrvn | unless they installed some other syslog .. |
| 16:01.10 | black13 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/387 |
| 16:01.20 | Gathond | I had that "problem" once |
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| 16:02.00 | simonrvn | Gathond: um, everything in sid needs signed Release files, and spits out warnings of unsigned, or sig is unrecognised |
| 16:02.04 | hennewou | mwilson: I uninstalled it to avoid spinups |
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| 16:02.06 | oaishdf | Gathond: I didn't explicitly enable anything. i threw APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; into my apt conf directory, which allows me to avoid confirming the warning, but the warning is still there and i'd like to pacify it |
| 16:02.17 | simonrvn | Gathond: apt, aptitude, dselect, have gpg support |
| 16:02.24 | Gathond | simonrvn: so it is enabled by default now? |
| 16:02.27 | Skaja | i cant find the net install docs |
| 16:02.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:02.31 | Gathond | simonrvn: I know it does |
| 16:02.36 | mwilson | hennewou: You uninstalled it to be clueless. |
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| 16:03.11 | Gathond | oaishdf: if you use sid it appears that it has enebled itself during an update then |
| 16:03.21 | black13 | can create an arbitrary passwd and shadow file for use on a bootable cd |
| 16:03.28 | simonrvn | hennewou: why did you do that? and no, that's not very smart. a lot of your system depends on syslogd of some sort |
| 16:03.31 | hennewou | mwilson: does sysklogd contain the syslog scripts? |
| 16:03.32 | SavannahLion | What's the communities opinion on running a virus scanner for Linux? |
| 16:03.33 | oaishdf | look at noflushd for the right way to get syslog to avoid spinups |
| 16:03.52 | simonrvn | i feel an os is crippled if it doesn't have logging even |
| 16:03.56 | Gathond | oaishdf: something must then mean that 1. yoru mirror has not Release.gpg files or your gpg cant find a good signature to verify the package with |
| 16:03.57 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 16:04.33 | oaishdf | i'm using http.us.debian.org. do i need to add special source lines to download the signatures too? |
| 16:04.39 | ma3x | anyone here understand from KDE and KDM? |
| 16:04.44 | simonrvn | Gathond: oh, 'cause of the debian machines getting moved, the Release files aren't getting the proper treatment |
| 16:04.55 | black13 | asg ? |
| 16:05.00 | hennewou | mwilson: by the way debian runs perfect without sysklogd (except I don't have /var/log/syslog anymore) |
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| 16:05.13 | simonrvn | so we're getting a lot of 'these are unauthenticated!' warnings from official repos... |
| 16:05.14 | hennewou | mwilson: I just want to avoid spinups |
| 16:05.25 | Gathond | simonrvn: ok |
| 16:05.33 | FieldySnuts | wtf is so bad about spinups, it's a hard drive, it's DESIGNED to spin. |
| 16:05.35 | simonrvn | hennewou: oaishdf told you the proper way to do what you want |
| 16:05.42 | hennewou | mwilson: but seems it's not possible with debian. I allready tried it with a lot pc's |
| 16:06.05 | simonrvn | hennewou: i suggest you pay attention to people that are trying to help you |
| 16:06.18 | simonrvn | not the local trolls |
| 16:06.28 | oaishdf | simonrvn: is it known that some of the version dependencies are unavailable? like mozilla-firefox needs libxinerama1 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 |
| 16:06.34 | Skaja | how do i start my net install |
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| 16:06.48 | black13 | simonrvn could you look ast what i pasted if you have a minute |
| 16:06.52 | hennewou | FieldySnuts: because it makes terrible noise |
| 16:06.56 | mwilson | oaishdf: Where did you get the idea that libxinerama1 wasn't available? |
| 16:06.59 | simonrvn | oaishdf: unfetchable, yeh. some folks managed to get some debs before the move |
| 16:07.00 | FieldySnuts | wah. replace it then. |
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| 16:07.17 | oaishdf | mwilson: the 404 error from http.us.debian.org for that specific version. |
| 16:07.19 | hennewou | oaishdf: is noflushd compatible with 2.6 kernels? |
| 16:07.24 | oaishdf | yes |
| 16:07.27 | mwilson | oaishdf: If the mirror you're using is incomplete, then use a different mirror. |
| 16:07.28 | oaishdf | but not ext3 necessarily |
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| 16:07.39 | oaishdf | which mirror would you recommend? |
| 16:07.47 | hennewou | oaishdf: I'm using ext2, so maybe it'll work |
| 16:07.49 | simonrvn | mwilson: main mirror, heh. |
| 16:07.55 | mwilson | oaishdf: I wouldn't recommend any. I never recommend mirrors. |
| 16:08.04 | oaishdf | well, good job. |
| 16:08.11 | amorph_ | heres the bit i like the least.... rebooting server remotely after a kernel upgrade and waiting for that "login:" to come up in ssh |
| 16:08.25 | mwilson | simonrvn: http.us.debian.org is a round-robin, as you well know, none of which are controlled by Debian. |
| 16:08.37 | Skaja | i completed the install now i get a comand line |
| 16:08.39 | simonrvn | i know. |
| 16:08.46 | simonrvn | Skaja: that's a good thing |
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| 16:09.05 | dddss | how can i restart cups? |
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| 16:09.21 | Skaja | i dont know how to get the other files kde etc |
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| 16:09.25 | amorph_ | err /etc/init.d/cupsd restart |
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| 16:09.32 | drac | dddss: /etc/init.d/cup<use your TAB completion> restart |
| 16:09.35 | amorph_ | could be /etc/init.d/cupsd restart |
| 16:09.51 | amorph_ | exit |
| 16:10.05 | dddss | drac: great! |
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| 16:11.05 | a1fa | anybody got experience with courier-imap, qmail and vpopmail? |
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| 16:11.17 | simonrvn | someone does |
| 16:11.17 | positrix | !lart the specifications of the pdf format |
| 16:11.36 | mwilson | positrix: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
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| 16:12.19 | positrix | mwilson: i am particularly angry with the pdf format today. |
| 16:12.21 | simonrvn | @ff mwilson |
| 16:12.22 | ravenbird | mwilson: fartfish |
| 16:12.30 | paulswm | hennewou: I accitdentally wnet offline, so I didn't see any more of the conversation, but uninstalling sysklogd is not too terribly smart, especially as you can avoid spinups by stopping the -- MARK -- messages |
| 16:12.40 | quittt | does anybody here knows a good jukebox for Debian? |
| 16:12.55 | spamalope | rythembox |
| 16:13.14 | quittt | spamalope it takes 2000 hours to load all my music |
| 16:13.26 | Phated | Boohoo? |
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| 16:13.31 | Dragon-Eater | !man debian |
| 16:13.41 | quittt | !man apt-get |
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| 16:13.55 | Dragon-Eater | bot down? |
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| 16:14.01 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 16:14.14 | quittt | hi |
| 16:14.17 | Phated | Oh, for goodness' SAKE, can't you just TRY to tab-complete dpkg's nick and see that it isn't fucking ONLINE? |
| 16:14.23 | paulswm | Yes, dpkg is absent |
| 16:14.25 | carmenhusband | hey, does anyone know how to get 'terminal' font installed .. that and fixedsys are the 2 standard windows fonts |
| 16:14.49 | paulswm | Hey, try tab completing mine |
| 16:14.51 | carmenhusband | i heard a few people were able to hack it |
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| 16:15.31 | positrix | paulswm: omg i cant! |
| 16:15.48 | zhouzhanlun | oo |
| 16:15.54 | carmenhusband | i found an 'ansi' font but it doesn't look good .. i was wondering if anyone here was able to install these windows OEM fonts .. terminal and fixed sys |
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| 16:16.18 | hennewou | quittt: madman is the best |
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| 16:16.30 | kuckuck | hi |
| 16:16.37 | quittt | hennewou does it load the music fast? |
| 16:16.44 | simonrvn | carmenhusband: not exactly hard... |
| 16:17.07 | Skaja | i read the docs now i realy confused |
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| 16:17.22 | Pupeno | Hello |
| 16:17.24 | hennewou | quittt: it has better performance then amarok |
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| 16:17.58 | hennewou | quittt: search engine very fast: works on very low systems, and it has a autodjfeature |
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| 16:18.36 | Pupeno | Is there some program that can configure the sources of apt to use internet repositories (and not just this CD) or is there a list of what ropesitories are available ? Some sources.list template maybe ? |
| 16:18.49 | hennewou | quittt: I have 40 gig music and still loads the database in a couple of seconds |
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| 16:19.10 | simonrvn | Pupeno: your favourite text editor, or apt-setup |
| 16:19.25 | Skaja | can some help me please |
| 16:19.31 | quittt | [hennewou]: great |
| 16:19.50 | kuckuck | I'v got a new external harddrive with 120 GB space, and I'm realy doubt about which format I should use, all my other disks are ext3 formated, but with them I'v got the disadvantage, that it doesn't work with windows or mac on the go (there are possibilitys, but I don't wann install these tools on every machine, for example if I wanna go to a friend which uses MacOsX or Windows)... There ist just FAT32 which is realy supported out of the box by nearly ever |
| 16:19.53 | hennewou | quittt: you can find all about it on madman.sourceforge.net |
| 16:19.57 | kuckuck | what the hell shell I gona do :( |
| 16:20.00 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 16:20.36 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 16:20.45 | viper_ | The /etc/chap-secrets file for fred would look like # Secrets for authentication using CHAP |
| 16:20.45 | viper_ | # client server secret acceptable local IP addresses |
| 16:20.45 | viper_ | FredNeuberger barneyflintstone |
| 16:20.45 | viper_ | barneyfredwilma |
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| 16:20.52 | lildude | d link 650 gog pcmia for debian |
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| 16:20.56 | Pupeno | simonrvn: apt-setup is what I wanted, thanks. |
| 16:21.12 | black13 | whenever i try to login i am never given the chance to enter a passwd |
| 16:21.15 | hennewou | kuckuck: make a 20 gig ext3 partition for installation and 0.5 gig for swap and the rest fat32 |
| 16:21.18 | viper_ | sorry for the flood |
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| 16:21.19 | viper_ | my mistake |
| 16:21.33 | a1fa | too late now |
| 16:21.39 | viper_ | heh |
| 16:21.49 | viper_ | well it won`t happen again |
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| 16:22.13 | lildude | 650 d link any good |
| 16:22.18 | a1fa | ya |
| 16:22.24 | a1fa | dsl router? |
| 16:22.31 | lildude | that auto detect |
| 16:22.36 | lildude | nope pcmia card |
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| 16:22.44 | lildude | wireles card |
| 16:22.47 | a1fa | dunno |
| 16:22.53 | hcy | anybody know what it means when Pan says "Error reading from socket"? |
| 16:23.06 | a1fa | cant bind to port |
| 16:23.14 | mentor | !hi |
| 16:23.44 | dddss | cups give me this error : Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 16:23.44 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.01 | simonrvn | with a jackhammer |
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| 16:25.03 | Skaja | ok how do i download the rest of the install via command line i dont know how |
| 16:25.16 | ke6isf | Skaja: Well, what have you done thus far? |
| 16:25.21 | kuckuck | hennewou: which installation? |
| 16:25.32 | kuckuck | hennewou: it's just for data :) |
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| 16:26.08 | Skaja | i just setup the net install now i login into linux i see the comand line |
| 16:26.21 | liran | is there some access list for vnc? cause i cant seem to connect to it. vncviewer just hangs |
| 16:26.29 | hcy | should it be necessary for me to open a port (or ports) on my firewall for pan newsreader to work properly - just for downloads, no uploads? |
| 16:26.44 | ke6isf | Skaja: So you've gone through the first part of netinst, and it returned you to a command line after the reboot, is that correct? |
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| 16:26.51 | pngwn | Skaja, there is an installation manual on debian.org |
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| 16:27.07 | ke6isf | Skaja: Semi important, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:27.11 | Skaja | yep that is right |
| 16:27.12 | amorph | hi guys, my kernel upgrade was successful |
| 16:27.13 | Skaja | 3.1 |
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| 16:27.16 | amorph | woohoo |
| 16:27.34 | ke6isf | Skaja: It is now time to select packages. Type 'aptitude'. |
| 16:27.35 | amorph | how do i put gcc on hold from apt updates? |
| 16:27.56 | ke6isf | Skaja: Key bindings and "what x means" will be found in the help file. Good lukc. |
| 16:27.56 | hennewou | kuckuck: ah ok, just use fat32 |
| 16:27.56 | Skaja | with out the ' ' |
| 16:27.59 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 16:28.03 | ke6isf | Skaja: That is correct. |
| 16:28.05 | simonrvn | /msg ravenbird hold |
| 16:28.11 | simonrvn | amorph: ^^^^ |
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| 16:28.30 | amorph | simonrvn: heh, its a dumb thing to do you're going to say |
| 16:28.34 | Eclipser | mmh |
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| 16:28.40 | Eclipser | this new battery is awesome |
| 16:28.50 | amorph | Eclipser what is it |
| 16:29.04 | Eclipser | 3.5h uptime without AC and only 55% used of the battery |
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| 16:29.12 | amorph | cool |
| 16:29.16 | oaishdf | liran, if you're connecting to windoze make sure the firewall has allowed vnc |
| 16:29.18 | amorph | is that a Li-Ion? |
| 16:29.27 | Eclipser | I have no idea :p |
| 16:29.55 | Eclipser | yeah probably |
| 16:29.58 | Eclipser | since the original was |
| 16:30.19 | amorph | I bet that cost you a bit |
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| 16:30.21 | Eclipser | this one has extended Ah thingie |
| 16:30.22 | positrix | Eclipser: thats about ten times better that my battery |
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| 16:30.28 | amorph | i just picked up one of these cheap recently |
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| 16:30.41 | Omnix | Does anybody know of a utility or way to do per-process bandwidth accounting? |
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| 16:31.11 | DPadclear | If I have the three source files (dsc, diff, tar), what command do I issue to make a .deb? |
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| 16:31.14 | black13 | if the pam libraries conf files are incomplete damages would this cause problems login in |
| 16:31.28 | amorph | Li-Ion batteries need a sustained controlled DC current for charging tho |
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| 16:31.43 | kuckuck | hennewou: ok, that's what I thought I'v to do :-( (interoperability is great, but just a dream :( ) |
| 16:31.49 | amorph | so im after a lead acid sealed battery now |
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| 16:32.20 | Ober | is there still a kfreebsd port going? the web page is 404 |
| 16:32.20 | liran | oaishdf: i got vncserver runing on one linux box and im trying to connect from another. though it just hangs when i ran vncviewer 10.200.1.7 (the remote host). i was also trying to do `export DISPLAY=10.200.1.7:1` and then run vncviewer, still hangs |
| 16:32.24 | positrix | amorph: aren't those heavy? |
| 16:32.32 | amorph | yeah quite heavy |
| 16:32.47 | liran | oaishdf: maybe i should somehow allow it on the remote box with some access list tool? (i dont have a firewall there btw) |
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| 16:33.10 | hennewou | kuckuck: why is it just a dream, fat32 does the job well? |
| 16:33.27 | amorph | Li-Ion batteries are environmentally friendly |
| 16:33.50 | FieldySnuts | lithium is a heavy metal, that's not exactly friendly |
| 16:33.52 | richard_ | has anyone heard about the ukranian scientist who used depleted nuclear matter to power his laptop for 2 days straight? |
| 16:34.04 | FieldySnuts | i she still alive? |
| 16:34.09 | FieldySnuts | is he |
| 16:34.11 | ufoalien | hehe |
| 16:34.11 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 16:34.18 | richard_ | yes he is, |
| 16:34.28 | ufoalien | richard_: I heard about it once |
| 16:34.29 | Eclipser | but in critical condition? |
| 16:34.32 | Eclipser | :) |
| 16:34.35 | amorph | FiendSnuts those batteries can be handled safely |
| 16:34.38 | richard_ | the amount of radiation emitted was not harmful |
| 16:35.05 | liran | oaishdf: im seeing that i cant connect from a windows tightvnc client also. |
| 16:35.06 | FieldySnuts | and people were worried about heat from laptops on guys doo-dads... this takes it to a new level |
| 16:35.12 | kuckuck | hennewou: I tought, from a technical view, fat32 is crap? |
| 16:35.15 | amorph | hehe |
| 16:35.28 | amorph | my laptop gets way too hot and its only a P3-600 |
| 16:35.35 | ke6isf | kuckuck: FWIW, I think there are ext[23] drivers available for Windows. |
| 16:35.38 | richard_ | and the once harmful matter was no longer harmful after all it's loose electrons were consumed by the laptop |
| 16:35.50 | Eclipser | ke6isf, there is, but they're mostly readonly |
| 16:35.59 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 16:36.05 | positrix | amorph: mine too. the heat has something to do with a distinct lack of fan. |
| 16:36.13 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 16:36.23 | simonrvn | lithium isn't a heavy metal |
| 16:36.24 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Now that you mention it, I think I remember that detail. |
| 16:36.25 | amorph | there must be a more sensible way to cool laptops |
| 16:36.26 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite simonrvn |
| 16:36.26 | ravenbird | simonrvn: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 16:36.31 | hennewou | hennewou: yes, you're right |
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| 16:36.36 | amorph | and why are the fans always on the bottom |
| 16:36.39 | simonrvn | @veggiesmite FieldySnuts |
| 16:36.42 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 16:36.42 | mage_ | ll |
| 16:36.45 | Eclipser | ext2 write support is supposed to be safe I think |
| 16:36.48 | Eclipser | but ext3 isn't |
| 16:36.50 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 16:36.50 | apt | EU 0wnz the USA! |
| 16:36.57 | Eclipser | because of the jouranl |
| 16:37.00 | Eclipser | journal |
| 16:37.03 | oaishdf | laptops cause sterility |
| 16:37.15 | FieldySnuts | guns don't kill people I do |
| 16:37.15 | ke6isf | oaishdf: Proof, please. |
| 16:37.17 | simonrvn | if used on the lap |
| 16:37.29 | Eclipser | I hate it how my cd writer kills my music when it writes lead in/out |
| 16:37.39 | hennewou | Eclipser: strange, you can just mount ext3 with an ext2 driver |
| 16:37.39 | oaishdf | bicycles also cause sterility |
| 16:37.41 | amorph | maybe the future is in palm PCs |
| 16:37.48 | FieldySnuts | i doubt it, those are irritating |
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| 16:38.01 | positrix | amorph: palm pcs have no keyboard |
| 16:38.05 | simonrvn | the future ... |
| 16:38.11 | amorph | i have a bunch of palm PCs but they're hard to use for anything useful |
| 16:38.21 | a1fa | f0ck! |
| 16:38.22 | oaishdf | has anyone had a bad experience compiling 2.6 with gcc 4 |
| 16:38.25 | amorph | but they will improve no doubt |
| 16:38.28 | Eclipser | I wish my laptop had a DVD drive :< |
| 16:38.28 | a1fa | anybody using courier-imap with vpopmail? |
| 16:38.35 | simonrvn | oaishdf: no. some have |
| 16:38.47 | amorph | you dont need a keyboard tho |
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| 16:38.52 | amorph | you write on the screen |
| 16:39.04 | amorph | in some ways its better than typing |
| 16:39.13 | oaishdf | well that's good |
| 16:39.35 | positrix | are there any laptop thin-clients? they wouldn't cause sterility, and the batteries would last for ages. |
| 16:39.41 | simonrvn | fucking POS ISA sound card |
| 16:39.58 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Believe me, I know exactly how you feel. =O.o= |
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| 16:40.07 | amorph | Toshiba has some very good laptops |
| 16:40.21 | simonrvn | ke6isf: it's a PAS16 |
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| 16:40.36 | simonrvn | every other reboot i have to fuck around with the drivers.... |
| 16:40.40 | amorph | the Portege 3000 and 7000 series are supercooled and battery can last up to 8 hrs |
| 16:40.45 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Never heard of it. Then again, I couldn't get a soundcard that was once supported in OS/2 to load under Debian. Frustrating to no end... |
| 16:40.47 | richard_ | i find it weird that no government or corporation has not used this new technology, to solve our energy problems. Think about it, it's tantamount to using useless garbage as a power source. |
| 16:41.03 | simonrvn | ke6isf: pro audio spectrum |
| 16:41.04 | positrix | amorph: im sure they do. this toshiba has no fan, however. |
| 16:41.10 | simonrvn | ahem, 'pro' |
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| 16:41.16 | richard_ | but that's capitalism, wasteful. |
| 16:41.18 | snooo | how does one configure the list of window managers that appears in GDM menus? |
| 16:41.21 | amorph | positrix which model is it? |
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| 16:41.30 | ke6isf | simonrvn: A pro ISA card? Just how old is that? |
| 16:41.55 | simonrvn | i think it says '94 on it |
| 16:41.59 | ke6isf | richard_: So with the double negative, you find it weird that government &c has used this new technology? |
| 16:42.08 | simonrvn | could be wrong |
| 16:42.09 | amorph | I'm trying to get the optical out to work on my soundcard, no luck so far |
| 16:42.14 | positrix | amorph: satellite 2750DVD |
| 16:42.20 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Yep, it's old. =^^= |
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| 16:42.35 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Might even be older than the aforementioned ESS card. |
| 16:42.47 | amorph | positrix and it's P3 and no fan? how does it cool itself? |
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| 16:42.53 | simonrvn | ke6isf: nobody has yet bothered to write ALSA drivers for it |
| 16:43.20 | oaishdf | simonrvn: is there a nice way to force gcc-4.0 as the default compiler? afair alternatives didn't like to |
| 16:43.29 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 16:43.32 | simonrvn | snooo: depends what's installed |
| 16:43.41 | richard_ | yes, i find it weird. It is in their interest to get rid of nuclear waste. What better way than to reuse it for power and elitimate it's harmful nature. |
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| 16:43.46 | amorph | well my tv card is now displaying white noise, i guess thats progress from a blank window |
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| 16:44.08 | Eclipser | argh |
| 16:44.10 | simonrvn | oaishdf: alternatives has never managed it in debian, AFAIK. if it's installed, gcc-defaults would've taken care of the symlinks already |
| 16:44.13 | Eclipser | don't remind me of TV cards |
| 16:44.14 | positrix | amorph: it doesn't. if i use anything cpu-intensive for more than about 30mins it overheats and cuts power. XD |
| 16:44.17 | HipHob | hmm is there a way to create function keys, so say i do ctrl + w it would create a new workspace ? |
| 16:44.34 | amorph | positrix phew, major design failing? |
| 16:44.40 | snooo | simonrvn: i want to compile icewm from scratch but i'd like to see it appear in the gdm menu still after i uninstall the apt package |
| 16:44.44 | amorph | or did the fan die? |
| 16:44.46 | positrix | HipHob: depends on the windowmanager |
| 16:44.50 | simonrvn | HipHob: the desktops and some 'unattached' apps do that. i use keylaunch |
| 16:45.06 | simonrvn | if the wm doesn't handle it, or some other thingy |
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| 16:45.24 | positrix | amorph: i think the fan may have died. i got it 2nd hand about a year ago. |
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| 16:45.55 | amorph | should be easy to replace, i have some toshiba's around here in parts as i like to use them for stuff |
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| 16:46.02 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 16:46.15 | HipHob | positrix, simonrvn: i'm using fluxbox |
| 16:46.20 | Eclipser | I wonder what packages I need for developing with c++... |
| 16:46.22 | simonrvn | snooo: fetch the debian source, get the build-deps, build it how you like from the debian/rules, and install. the menu and session shit should show up if you don't remove it |
| 16:46.29 | Skaja_ | i hete my computer |
| 16:46.31 | Eclipser | I can't get them all due to small HD :< |
| 16:46.34 | amorph | my HP Omnibook can run for like 4-5 hrs before the heat becomes a problem |
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| 16:46.46 | simonrvn | HipHob: use a separate one, and start it from ~/.xsession |
| 16:47.11 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does anybody know the advantages/disadvanatges of using debian/freebsd as opposed to using debian/linux (im going to be setting up and administering a web server in a few weeks, which is expected to be taking a few thousand hits a day, on a very dynamic website) |
| 16:47.25 | oaishdf | oh. gcc 4 is now the default :> |
| 16:47.32 | ke6isf | Skaja_: are you having bad luck with aptitude? |
| 16:47.39 | Skaja_ | yes |
| 16:47.45 | simonrvn | Super_Cat_Frog: i don't see a real difference except for the h/w requirements |
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| 16:48.36 | amorph | simonrvn why did you raise your eyebrows earlier to my question re the GCC on hold in unstable? |
| 16:48.37 | simonrvn | might not have as many packages for the freebsd port, depending on how far along they are, though |
| 16:48.38 | Skaja | i hit the g key and it does nor update the list |
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| 16:48.48 | richard_ | Super_Cat_Frog, Please refer to what you call "linux" as gnu/linux. |
| 16:49.08 | Eclipser | are POSIX dev stuffs installed usually by default on sarge? |
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| 16:49.53 | PerfDave | Eclipser: I don't see why they would be |
| 16:49.55 | Eclipser | I should probably install boost too, also some man pages |
| 16:49.56 | simonrvn | richard_: answer me this, what french-speaking city did you go to recently? |
| 16:49.57 | Super_Cat_Frog | richard - any reason? debian/linux implies gnu userspace software wil be used |
| 16:50.04 | Eclipser | but I can't decide which |
| 16:50.11 | Skaja | the install guide is not helping me |
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| 16:50.32 | guyzmo | hi |
| 16:50.35 | positrix | where do i get a rescue cd from? |
| 16:50.45 | richard_ | the correct term is debian gnu/linux |
| 16:50.47 | simonrvn | Eclipser: if you have limited space, stick to the essentials |
| 16:50.57 | PerfDave | Super_Cat_Frog: Your best option would be to dual-boot Debian GNU/Linux and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on the same machine, and benchmark them both with the same test suite. |
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| 16:51.09 | simonrvn | Eclipser: you can always go read manpages-dev on the web |
| 16:51.12 | Eclipser | I want to develop while I'm gone (with gprs connection, so...) |
| 16:51.24 | PerfDave | Super_Cat_Frog: Also, look at how responsive Debian GNU/kFreebSD is to security announcements etc. |
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| 16:51.46 | Eclipser | it seems I have ~1.3GB free |
| 16:51.48 | Super_Cat_Frog | perfdave - i will be doing that, do you have any opinion? |
| 16:51.59 | HipHob | hmm start it from .xsession, i don't actually have a .xsession file/directory |
| 16:52.00 | richard_ | simonrvn, did I give the impression that I have been to a "French-speaking" city? |
| 16:52.00 | amorph | im not sure if this is a good idea, but im upgrading to unstable |
| 16:52.19 | Schiz0 | What package do I need to get the stdio.h and all the other C files |
| 16:52.33 | guyzmo | I'd like to switch to xorg, and as my hard drive crashed with my box configuration, I'd like to know if it is reasonable to switch (a fresh install) to unstable in order to have it ? |
| 16:52.33 | ke6isf | Skaja: That's because 'g' doesn't update the list. |
| 16:52.33 | Qerub | Schiz0: libc6-dev |
| 16:52.35 | PerfDave | Super_Cat_Frog: I've never used Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. I used FreeBSD before I switched to Debian, but I never did any benchmarks for web serving. |
| 16:52.39 | Schiz0 | thanks |
| 16:52.44 | ke6isf | Skaja: Lemme fire up aptitude. What are you stuck on? |
| 16:52.50 | simonrvn | richard_: no, but if you are who i think you are, you can answer that question rather easily i think =;) |
| 16:52.52 | Qerub | Schiz0: Use can search package contents at packages.debian.org. |
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| 16:53.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | perfdave - ok thank |
| 16:53.26 | Qerub | Schiz0: Also, install the build-essential metapackage. |
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| 16:53.31 | amorph | why isnt there an unthreaded perl packaged in Debian |
| 16:53.32 | PerfDave | Super_Cat_Frog: Certainly in the past I was informed that FreeBSD's IP stack is more robust under load than Linux's, but I haven't confirmed that myself and it was about three years ago, so things have quite possibly improved, especially with 2.6 kernels. |
| 16:53.39 | Skaja | i just want to download new packages and i hit all the keys |
| 16:53.47 | simonrvn | PerfDave: indeed |
| 16:53.58 | ke6isf | Skaja: Are you just trying to install everything? |
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| 16:54.15 | simonrvn | Skaja: if you are trying to install everything, you can't |
| 16:54.16 | Skaja | i'm just trying to install some thing |
| 16:54.18 | PerfDave | guyzmo: If you have to ask... I wouldn't run unstable right now unless you *really* know what you're doing. |
| 16:54.31 | ke6isf | Skaja: OK. Are you still in aptitude right now? |
| 16:54.33 | richard_ | simonrvn, no, I am not stallman |
| 16:54.34 | FieldySnuts | yeah. even more so lately. |
| 16:54.38 | FieldySnuts | ~rms |
| 16:54.39 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, rms is the founder of GNU, and wrote the really cool text editor EMACS |
| 16:54.39 | amorph | heh |
| 16:54.46 | jdhutchin1 | richard_, then don't act like him |
| 16:54.48 | Skaja | no i'm in windows |
| 16:54.49 | FieldySnuts | hrm, i thought it said he was a gun nut too |
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| 16:54.52 | darkness_ | Hi, i've got sshd on my computer and worked fine. Now it seems to have gone belly up since i upgraded from woody to sarge. Now i get to port 22 refused. Now i have messed a little with initab.conf etc. Any ideas? |
| 16:54.53 | Qerub | text editor? :> |
| 16:54.56 | richard_ | just one of his many minions |
| 16:54.59 | ke6isf | Skaja: *thud* |
| 16:55.01 | simonrvn | richard_: ok. i didn't think so (after what you said earlier to someone else) |
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| 16:55.22 | amorph | life on the edge |
| 16:55.23 | richard_ | and what was that? |
| 16:55.34 | Qerub | darkness_: 1) I sshd running? 2) Does it work from localhost? 3) See *.dpkg* files in /etc/ssh. |
| 16:55.35 | simonrvn | darkness_: sshd running has nothing to do with inittab unless you stuck it in there |
| 16:55.37 | ke6isf | Skaja: Am I understanding correctly that you are on a dual boot system? |
| 16:55.38 | guyzmo | PerfDave - I already ran on unstable a while ago |
| 16:55.39 | Qerub | darkness_: Is* |
| 16:55.39 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: I thought that ESR was the gun nut, not RMS... |
| 16:55.45 | HipHob | hmm ok so if i wanted to load a new workspace via a hotkey (ctrl +w) in fluxbox, i shoudl be able to use keylunach ? |
| 16:55.45 | Skaja | yep |
| 16:55.49 | FieldySnuts | ~esr |
| 16:55.49 | apt | esr is, like, a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond, or somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000" |
| 16:55.51 | guyzmo | when potato was unstable, and same when woody was |
| 16:55.55 | ke6isf | Skaja: Oh, this is gonna be interesting. =^^= |
| 16:55.57 | PerfDave | guyzmo: That's nice. unstable is a lot more prone to crashes and bugs right now, due to the GCC ABI change. |
| 16:56.04 | PerfDave | guyzmo: potato and woody have never been unstable. |
| 16:56.15 | amorph | i ran unstable for over 1 year and had no problems until 3 days ago when i decided to do a kernel upgrade, however that was due to my own stupidity |
| 16:56.20 | guyzmo | PerfDave :) |
| 16:56.21 | Qerub | PerfDave: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/kernel-mentor :-) |
| 16:56.24 | devilx | Hi, I would like to downgrade some packages. Is there a way to tell apt to use a specific version? |
| 16:56.29 | PerfDave | guyzmo: It's pretty clear that you're going to have some *huge* problems with unstable, so I woulodn't bother if I were you. |
| 16:56.34 | mentor | meh |
| 16:56.35 | Skaja | oh no i dont like the sound of that |
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| 16:56.37 | richard_ | jdhutchin1, I'm not acting like stallman, but if you are refering to his philosophy, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to stand by it. |
| 16:56.39 | ke6isf | Skaja: To update packages in aptitude, under the actions menu, there is the Update Packages option. |
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| 16:56.58 | kuckuck | ke6isf: yea, I use these drivers on some system, but I can't install them on every system I wann plug in my HD (i.e. my bosses laptop...) |
| 16:57.00 | ke6isf | Skaja: It's not bad, it's just interesting. It's difficult to do this when you're not in Debian. |
| 16:57.03 | darkness_ | Yes if i ssh localhost it works. |
| 16:57.14 | amorph | I think if you dont upgrade very often and dont tinker too much, unstable is ok eh |
| 16:57.15 | PerfDave | Qerub: Cute :) |
| 16:57.18 | guyzmo | ok |
| 16:57.22 | guyzmo | thanks for the advice |
| 16:57.26 | Qerub | PerfDave: Some of them are very funny. |
| 16:57.38 | Skaja | i cant get the blinking line up there |
| 16:57.41 | PerfDave | amorph: No, not really. Don't run unstable unless you're happy with the idea of your system trashing itself with all your data. |
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| 16:57.44 | PerfDave | amorph: /msg apt sid faq |
| 16:57.49 | ke6isf | Skaja: The blinking line? |
| 16:58.01 | Skaja | i cant use a mouse |
| 16:58.05 | amorph | PerfDave thats a bit extreme tho eh, if one keeps good backups should be ok anyway eh |
| 16:58.16 | ke6isf | Skaja: You're not familiar with command line, are you? |
| 16:58.22 | Skaja | nope |
| 16:58.26 | simonrvn | @sid faq |
| 16:58.26 | ravenbird | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:58.35 | ke6isf | Skaja: OK, take notes here, because there is going to be a quiz later. |
| 16:58.35 | amorph | really its a case of having to run unstable for me as i just need newer software and packages not available in testing |
| 16:58.50 | PerfDave | amorph: And you've already been told A THOUSAND TIMES about backporting. |
| 16:58.57 | Skaja | i have my pen and paper |
| 16:58.58 | ke6isf | Skaja: First, you did select a mirror, right? |
| 16:59.02 | amorph | the idea of maintaining backports and doing all that doesnt appeal to me |
| 16:59.06 | PerfDave | amorph: So go ahead, run unstable, fuck your system, and don't expect any help from me when you do so. |
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| 16:59.13 | Skaja | no |
| 16:59.23 | ke6isf | Skaja: OK, then this is what you're going to do. |
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| 16:59.30 | amorph | PerfDave: whats the alternative if you need packages not in testing? |
| 16:59.35 | PerfDave | amorph: BACKPORTING |
| 16:59.40 | amorph | pfff |
| 16:59.56 | amorph | that can screw your system over worse than unstable |
| 17:00.05 | PerfDave | amorph: Backporting is easy. 90% of the time it's been done for you already. And it's a lot better an idea than running unstable. |
| 17:00.07 | richard_ | simonrvn, ?? |
| 17:00.09 | simonrvn | not really. not if done right |
| 17:00.11 | ke6isf | Skaja: First, boot back into Debian. When you log in as root, at the command line, run 'apt-setup', and pick either an http or ftp mirror - preferably something that's close to you. If it doesn't work, pick another one. |
| 17:00.15 | PerfDave | amorph: OK, you run unstale, fuck your system, I don't care any more *plonk* |
| 17:00.17 | simonrvn | richard_: no worries |
| 17:00.28 | amorph | PerfDave i wish i could share your confidence |
| 17:00.33 | Skaja | with out the '" |
| 17:00.37 | ke6isf | Skaja: Second thing you're going to do is do 'apt-get install screen ircii'. If/when it prompts you for dependencies, hit "Y". |
| 17:00.49 | ke6isf | Skaja: Always without quotes. The quotes signify a command or response to a prompt. |
| 17:00.52 | richard_ | simonrvn, I would really like to know |
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| 17:00.59 | ke6isf | Skaja: It's a fairly standard convention. |
| 17:00.59 | hennewou | PerfDave: I never had any major problems with unstable for 2 years with a lot of pc's. |
| 17:01.19 | amorph | i ran unstable for 1 an half years and no problems |
| 17:01.26 | simonrvn | richard_: you were talking of rms' philosophy and how you stood by it. on several points i agree with it |
| 17:01.27 | hennewou | PerfDave: maybe I'm just lucky :) |
| 17:01.30 | Cyberax | hey wheres the dpkg bot? |
| 17:01.40 | PerfDave | hennewou: That's great. Some people live in minefields, and don't get their legs blown off. That doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that it can't happen at any moment. |
| 17:01.41 | amorph | i had alot of problems when i tried to install backports tho with dependency issues |
| 17:01.43 | simonrvn | there's 2 other bots here |
| 17:01.46 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
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| 17:02.07 | simonrvn | @kill kook |
| 17:02.16 | PerfDave | hennewou: Unstable is particularly buggy at the moment, which is pretty standard for after a release. |
| 17:02.29 | ke6isf | @smite kook |
| 17:02.29 | amorph | it's true |
| 17:02.36 | PerfDave | hennewou: Personally, I think they should put more data-hosing bugs in unstable, it'd stop people getting complacent ;) |
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| 17:03.06 | amorph | how long will it take for unstable to get closer to testing |
| 17:03.47 | simonrvn | @wir |
| 17:03.47 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 17:03.55 | Qerub | amorph: packages migrate from unstable to testing when certain criterias are met |
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| 17:04.17 | Qerub | amorph: so it's a bit hard to answer a question like that :) |
| 17:04.19 | amorph | so my package which is not included in testing right now could be included? |
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| 17:04.47 | Qerub | sooner or later, i guess :) |
| 17:04.48 | amorph | but i have no idea how long that could take and i need it now |
| 17:04.53 | positrix | amorph: testing is about a month or so behind unstable. longer if there's bugs |
| 17:04.53 | dddss | how can i set to debug my logs? |
| 17:05.01 | amorph | oh |
| 17:05.04 | Qerub | amorph: what's the name of your package? |
| 17:05.07 | ke6isf | amorph: You could always compile by hand, I'm sure. |
| 17:05.15 | amorph | Interchange 5.20 |
| 17:05.19 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.33 | amorph | Interchange needs perl tho and many libraries |
| 17:05.47 | amorph | if you try to compile it yourself or backport you open a can of worms |
| 17:05.48 | Schiz0 | Do you guys recommend installing apache via the package, or by hand? |
| 17:05.53 | Qerub | amorph: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ is pretty useful |
| 17:06.04 | amorph | thanks |
| 17:06.08 | Qerub | Schiz0: by package absolutely |
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| 17:06.09 | Eclipser | do dev packages usually include man pages/examples/etc? |
| 17:06.11 | jdhutchin1 | Schiz0, why would you install it by hand? |
| 17:06.16 | amorph | by package for sure |
| 17:06.23 | ma3x | where do i edit the DPI for X? |
| 17:06.26 | PerfDave | Schiz0: I always recommend using Debian packages if they're available in stable :) |
| 17:06.31 | Schiz0 | I used to install thinks like apache, php, my ftpd all from source, so it's all configured the way I like it |
| 17:06.33 | amorph | i install nothing by hand unless its absolutely necessary |
| 17:06.36 | Schiz0 | ok |
| 17:06.40 | covux | is there a freeware tool for creating entity relationship diagramms? |
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| 17:07.04 | Qerub | covux: graphviz or dia maybe? i'm not sure what "entity relationship" means. |
| 17:07.16 | liquid_ | uhm what can I use to measure inbound as well as outbound traffic per IP adress? |
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| 17:08.00 | Qerub | ma3x: X has a command-line swith called -dpi and you can also set it in your X config. |
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| 17:08.15 | metaperl | liquid_: does ethereal do that? |
| 17:08.28 | amorph | theres a cool utility that shows battery performance on laptops |
| 17:09.10 | covux | Qerub: thanks |
| 17:09.17 | ma3x | Qerub : how to set it via the cmd line? |
| 17:09.35 | Qerub | ma3x: are you using some kind of login manager? xdm/gdm/kdm... |
| 17:09.38 | Schiz0 | Where do all the config files go when you isntall apache via the package apache2 |
| 17:09.46 | ma3x | Qerub : my problem is, when I start KDE with KDM, I get good font settings |
| 17:09.47 | Qerub | Schiz0: /etc/apache2 iirc |
| 17:09.48 | PerfDave | Schiz0: dpkg -L apache2 |
| 17:09.58 | ma3x | if I start KDE with startx from console, bad settings (fonts) |
| 17:10.07 | amorph | apache2 is big improvement on apache1 |
| 17:10.08 | sky0 | liquid_: the information "ifconfig" shows are not enough? |
| 17:10.21 | ma3x | I want to 'startx' with the settings of KDM |
| 17:10.38 | amorph | xinitrc isnt it? |
| 17:10.44 | Qerub | ma3x: ah. kdm probably sets a constant dpi while invoking X normally calculates an apt dpi for your screen. |
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| 17:11.17 | Qerub | ma3x: startx -- -dpi <wanted DPI> |
| 17:11.33 | Qerub | ma3x: the man page for startx says that pretty clearly :-) |
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| 17:11.53 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 17:12.05 | ma3x | Qerub : i have exactly the problem of this guy |
| 17:12.06 | ma3x | $KDEDIR/share/config/kde/Xservers |
| 17:12.09 | ma3x | ah sorry |
| 17:12.10 | liquid_ | sky0 uhm it has to do with several servers and the IP adresses are all over those servers. Each ip is assigned to a different user not all of them have the same services running. I need to measure their bandwith usage according to the IP adress |
| 17:12.15 | ma3x | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:rdDMUaOh2JAJ:lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11378.html+kdm+larger+fonts&hl=en |
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| 17:12.22 | Qerub | ma3x: what guy? |
| 17:12.28 | ma3x | on that google page |
| 17:12.37 | ma3x | just that i want to set it vice-verca |
| 17:12.42 | Eclipser | can file-roller handle rar files? |
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| 17:13.08 | Qerub | Eclipser: Suggests: lha, unrar, unzip, zip, rpm, arj => Yes. |
| 17:13.14 | Eclipser | :) |
| 17:13.26 | Eclipser | too bad debian doesn't have 7-zip |
| 17:13.39 | amorph | can samba be used in place of nfs for linux to linux filespace sharing? |
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| 17:13.49 | Qerub | Eclipser: there's a package called p7zip... |
| 17:13.53 | sky0 | Eclipser: p7zip ? |
| 17:13.56 | Eclipser | uh |
| 17:13.59 | Eclipser | why didn't I find it? |
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| 17:14.02 | FieldySnuts | amorph: yes but it's quite slow and generally not good at doing so |
| 17:14.15 | amorph | oh, nfs will offer better performance then? |
| 17:14.28 | Eclipser | sky0, Qerub, not on sarge repositories? |
| 17:14.34 | cougar` | Good afternoon all |
| 17:14.36 | Qerub | ma3x: didn't startx -- -dpi dpi work? |
| 17:14.53 | amorph | i find nfs doesnt work so good for large data transfers on my laptop, yet on workstation its fine |
| 17:15.00 | Qerub | Eclipser: no, it's available in testing and unstable right now. |
| 17:15.07 | Eclipser | yea thought so |
| 17:15.11 | sky0 | Eclipser: sorry, my bad; but seems like a simple enough pkg to compile on your own. |
| 17:15.28 | ma3x | Qerub: i want to find out with how many DPI kdm starts |
| 17:15.32 | ma3x | is there a way to find that out? |
| 17:15.33 | amorph | im wondering if my nfs config isnt setup right on laptop since on booting it says "warning mount is older than kernel" |
| 17:15.39 | Eclipser | sky0, true, except that it didn't compile so I used the statically linked one :p |
| 17:15.47 | PerfDave | Can anyone recommend a nice GUI-based tool that allows me to spot wireless networks and their SSIDs and probe them? I want to see how hard it is to break into my ownwifi network. |
| 17:15.56 | Qerub | ma3x: xdpyinfo|grep -i resolution |
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| 17:16.38 | Qerub | amorph: i get that message too, but it's not an issue. |
| 17:16.50 | ma3x | Qerub: can i edit 75 DPI as default, so when i startx, to automatically start it with 75 DPIs |
| 17:16.55 | amorph | oh |
| 17:16.56 | ma3x | so no need to type the switch |
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| 17:17.10 | dddss | how can i set loglevel to debug? |
| 17:17.22 | Qerub | PerfDave: network-manager maybe? not sure if it's in debian though, and i've never used it. |
| 17:17.47 | Skaja_ | none of it worked |
| 17:18.09 | sky0 | liquid_: ok; take a look at ipband, iptotal, ipac-ng or maybe nagios; I would probably try ipac first, but I never did anything like this. |
| 17:18.16 | Qerub | ma3x: ~/.xserverrc maybe, I dunno. I never use startx. |
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| 17:18.48 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 17:19.17 | liquid_ | sky0 how about cacti? |
| 17:19.34 | ma3x | Qerub : what display manager you use? |
| 17:19.38 | Qerub | ma3x: kdm |
| 17:19.44 | ma3x | and how many DPI |
| 17:19.45 | j0rs | hi all... anybody knows if there's any known bug with the debian menu items? i've got 2 entries per application on it (so, duplicated) thanks! |
| 17:19.55 | Qerub | ma3x: 98x98 (calculated by X) |
| 17:19.59 | richard_ | viper are you using a cisco device? |
| 17:20.06 | Skaja_ | i dont think my 56k modem will work in linux |
| 17:20.06 | ma3x | i wonder if 75 or 100 is better for my screen |
| 17:20.18 | Qerub | ma3x: It doesn't matter, really. |
| 17:20.20 | mwilson | j0rs: And you don't just look in the BTS because...? |
| 17:20.22 | ma3x | @ 75 i can't read some sites in the browser |
| 17:20.33 | ma3x | and @100 everything seems so big |
| 17:20.42 | Qerub | ma3x: Then change the font sizes :-) |
| 17:21.12 | j0rs | mwilson: i don't really know which package it's the implied... i've taken a look at the menu one, but i'm not sure if it's the responsible of generating the Debian menu |
| 17:21.13 | viper_ | richard_ no just my Digital prioris debian box with poptop no router or some in between |
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| 17:21.16 | sky0 | liquid_: never even heard that before; looking at the description - maybe, seems complex. If you have access to the borderline fw/router for the entire net (and it runs iptables) something with ipac seems relatively simple; but as I said, this is second-hand knowledge. |
| 17:21.18 | ma3x | Qerub can i put a line for the DPI in XFree config? |
| 17:21.26 | ma3x | and how would that line look like? |
| 17:21.36 | mwilson | ma3x: You wouldn't consider actually calculating the correct value, rather than guessing at it? It's not like it's rocket science to do a little division. |
| 17:22.02 | FieldySnuts | for most lusers it is. |
| 17:22.12 | ma3x | mwilson what do you mean? |
| 17:22.38 | viper_ | richard_ you know what this could be ? |
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| 17:22.51 | liquid_ | sky0 I only have a MANAGED switch with SNMP enabled, a whole rack with servers and I need to measure traffic per IP. the problem is that I don't have access to the router and such |
| 17:22.58 | Smerdyakov | Is there any easy way to run Apache from the main apt with a different suexec document root? |
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| 17:23.28 | ma3x | calculate the correct value of what? |
| 17:23.33 | TheAsp | Smerdyakov: no |
| 17:24.11 | Qerub | ma3x: the dpi |
| 17:24.12 | Smerdyakov | TheAsp, does that effectively mean all non-homedir suexecable scripts _must_ reside on the /var partition, because suexec won't trust symlinks? |
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| 17:24.32 | TheAsp | Smerdyakov: i'd assume so |
| 17:24.34 | ma3x | I did calculate the correct value, it's 75 while using KDM |
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| 17:24.39 | lan | hi , i would like to know how to see how mutch memory my video card has ? |
| 17:24.42 | ke6isf | For Skaja's benefit, how does one set up dialup in Sarge? |
| 17:24.52 | mwilson | ma3x: You mean you didn't calculate it at all, then. |
| 17:25.10 | mwilson | ma3x: As the DPI of the screen has nothing to do with the software that's running on it. |
| 17:25.20 | j0rs | lan: maybe an lspci can tell it to you |
| 17:25.24 | Eclipser | ah shit |
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| 17:25.32 | Eclipser | installed emacs by accident |
| 17:25.35 | ma3x | mwilson : the problem is I get 75 DPI when I login with KDM |
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| 17:25.39 | ma3x | and 100 with startx |
| 17:25.40 | Eclipser | I need to get rid of the devil asap |
| 17:25.48 | ma3x | so what should i calculate more than that? |
| 17:25.55 | ke6isf | Eclipser: There was a reason you installed emacs. It was no accident. =^_^= |
| 17:26.05 | Eclipser | octave forced me to! |
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| 17:26.22 | cortex | when will ftp-master be up again? |
| 17:26.37 | Eclipser | I'm a sworn vim user |
| 17:26.54 | ma3x | Eclipser try pico! |
| 17:26.57 | positrix | Eclipser: nobody forced you. subconsciously you want it. why fight destiny? :D |
| 17:26.58 | Eclipser | nano! |
| 17:26.59 | mwilson | cortex: When someone provides hosting for it. |
| 17:27.13 | ma3x | yeah, former pico |
| 17:27.31 | Eclipser | nano has syntax highlight nowadays if I recall |
| 17:27.46 | Eclipser | my friend codes in pico :p |
| 17:28.09 | ma3x | he's awesome i guess! |
| 17:28.15 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 17:28.16 | sky0 | liquid_: in that case I would read the snmp docs for the switch; it probably can do something like that, but finding the correct values in an snmp dump isn't easy. |
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| 17:28.35 | kuckuck | how should the output look like if I make a mkfs.vfat -vc (bad block check), should there apear a lot of numbers? |
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| 17:29.39 | ma3x | this alt sticky key is killing me! |
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| 17:29.44 | Eclipser | hehe |
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| 17:29.55 | Eclipser | ah |
| 17:29.57 | Eclipser | the devil went away |
| 17:30.09 | ma3x | no, really! if i want to delete a whole word, i press ctrl+backspace, and X dies |
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| 17:30.20 | Pot-Shot | Can someone help, is there a " vnc " for debian |
| 17:30.28 | TheAsp | Pot-Shot: of course |
| 17:30.34 | ke6isf | Pot-Shot: apt-cache search vnc |
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| 17:30.46 | ke6isf | !tell Pot-Shot -about vnc |
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| 17:30.54 | Eclipser | dpkg is dead |
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| 17:31.07 | black13 | whenever i try to login i am never given the chance to enter a passwd |
| 17:31.11 | positrix | ma3x: sometimes it goes away if you press it repeatedly with great vigour. |
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| 17:31.59 | deepa1 | why do i get "Connection closed by foreign host" when i try to telnet |
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| 17:32.12 | PeterB | !test |
| 17:32.12 | dpkg | No, peterb, you're not online any more. |
| 17:32.23 | ke6isf | deepa1: How far do you get? |
| 17:32.32 | Pot-Shot | can someone help me out, can someone pm me |
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| 17:32.42 | abrotman | ask here |
| 17:32.43 | ke6isf | deepa1: Are you attempting to telnet to the server and it dies, or does it prompt you for log in and then it dies? |
| 17:32.54 | Pot-Shot | :S |
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| 17:33.55 | pikkewyn | Will someone please paste me her/his sources.list? |
| 17:34.05 | ke6isf | pikkewyn: why? |
| 17:34.08 | tarzeau | pikkewyn: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 17:34.17 | tarzeau | hi Fox_1_ |
| 17:34.23 | Pot-Shot | basicly, my mate has installed debian instead of fedora core 3, and he doesnt have a clue, he basicly want the pc to be used to keep files on, can anyone tell me what he nees to do this ? |
| 17:34.29 | ma3x | ~nodm |
| 17:34.29 | apt | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" ... |
| 17:34.38 | pikkewyn | ke6isf: Because I don't know whether mine's correct? |
| 17:34.38 | dondelelcaro | pikkewyn: just run apt-setup; you don't need our sources.list |
| 17:34.42 | tarzeau | Pot-Shot: i don't understand |
| 17:34.47 | pikkewyn | dondelelcaro: Ah, thanks. |
| 17:34.51 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hello:) how are you? |
| 17:34.51 | ke6isf | pikkewyn: What dondelelcaro said. |
| 17:34.53 | Pot-Shot | pm |
| 17:35.03 | wild2283 | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 17:35.03 | wild2283 | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 17:35.03 | wild2283 | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 17:35.05 | ke6isf | pikkewyn: If you built it by hand, do 'apt-get update'. If it doesn't gag, it's correct. |
| 17:35.07 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: not bad. thanks. and what about you? |
| 17:35.08 | wild2283 | for me :P |
| 17:35.17 | tarzeau | Pot-Shot: no queries please |
| 17:35.19 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: fine, thanks |
| 17:35.28 | Pot-Shot | :( |
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| 17:35.43 | wild2283 | Pot-Shot: life's a bitch, isn't it ? |
| 17:35.44 | Pot-Shot | my mate basicly has debian and he wants to use the pc as a file server |
| 17:35.52 | Pot-Shot | what would he need |
| 17:35.53 | tarzeau | Pot-Shot: so what's the problem? |
| 17:35.57 | wild2283 | Pot-Shot: then tell him to look into 'samba' |
| 17:35.58 | tarzeau | Pot-Shot: proftpd ? |
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| 17:36.05 | tarzeau | wild2283: yuck! why not NFS? |
| 17:36.06 | ke6isf | Pot-Shot: apache2 |
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| 17:36.18 | ke6isf | Pot-Shot: No, strike that, that's web services. |
| 17:36.20 | tarzeau | Pot-Shot: nfs-kernel-daemon and then edit /etc/exports |
| 17:36.28 | wild2283 | tarzeau: because his friend most likely barely has a clue how to install windows ? |
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| 17:36.41 | pikkewyn | ke6isf: OK. I was getting some errors on a non-us server, so wondering whether that changed or what happened. |
| 17:36.44 | Pot-Shot | he's a quakenet helper |
| 17:36.50 | tarzeau | wild2283: there wasn't ever any mention on that he has windows. could've been mac os x too |
| 17:36.55 | Pot-Shot | but knows shit about debian |
| 17:37.04 | tarzeau | Pot-Shot: you know more about debian? |
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| 17:37.07 | pikkewyn | ke6isf: non-us.debian.org something. |
| 17:37.09 | Pot-Shot | no |
| 17:37.15 | Pot-Shot | he just asked me |
| 17:37.15 | ke6isf | pikkewyn: /topic |
| 17:37.16 | tarzeau | Pot-Shot: any of you two knows fedora? |
| 17:37.22 | Pot-Shot | i know fedora |
| 17:37.24 | Pot-Shot | 3 |
| 17:37.25 | Pot-Shot | abit |
| 17:37.27 | ke6isf | !fedorasmite tarzeau |
| 17:37.28 | FieldySnuts | ~topicbadger pikkewyn |
| 17:37.29 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: you know I changgin my debian.am page. now it'll be linux/unix armenian users portal with articles and programs():) |
| 17:37.46 | FieldySnuts | apt: tasso? |
| 17:38.06 | pikkewyn | ke6isf: OK. |
| 17:38.29 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: nice |
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| 17:38.46 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 17:39.32 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: listen can you tell me from where I can find free eddgrop server for debian.am channel? |
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| 17:40.10 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: nope |
| 17:40.17 | Yokalosh | once i have installed java, do i have to restart for it to take effect? |
| 17:40.24 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: ok, thanks |
| 17:40.34 | mwilson | Yokalosh: Of course not. |
| 17:40.47 | Yokalosh | ok :S |
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| 17:41.14 | Yokalosh | its just when i install java to /usr/java LimeWire doesnt recognize that it is there |
| 17:41.57 | TheAsp | Yokalosh: you might be better off using make-jpkg to build a deb for java |
| 17:41.57 | noob | can someone tell me how to make lisa daemon load at startup? |
| 17:42.04 | mwilson | Yokalosh: You'd put it in a silly path like /usr/java because...? |
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| 17:42.29 | pikkewyn | /usr/java is probably the default from Sun's JDK. |
| 17:42.30 | Yokalosh | thats where limewire looks.... |
| 17:42.34 | wild2283 | Yokalosh: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ |
| 17:43.24 | wild2283 | or http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx or http://java.debian.net/ |
| 17:43.32 | wild2283 | google. is. your. friend. |
| 17:43.38 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 17:43.49 | Yokalosh | thankyou |
| 17:43.50 | lanix | how do i configure the kernel modules by menus ? |
| 17:44.16 | Eclipser | make menuconfig |
| 17:44.22 | Eclipser | or xconfig or gconfig |
| 17:44.25 | Eclipser | xconfig is eww |
| 17:44.32 | lanix | i have just install debian |
| 17:45.05 | noob | can someone tell me how to make lisa daemon load at startup? |
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| 17:45.49 | wild2283 | noob: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 17:46.01 | noob | thank you |
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| 17:46.23 | dondelelcaro | noob: add an init script for it if it doesn't exist, and run update-rc.d with appropriate arguments. |
| 17:46.39 | Yokalosh | the apt-get commands on that site dont work.... the java ones |
| 17:46.44 | Yokalosh | on java.debian.net |
| 17:46.46 | dondelelcaro | noob: see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 17:47.06 | lanix | i have a problem with my graphical card is intel 815 with vga controlers , am know using 810 and every thing is so big what can i do , i was told that i need to enable vga soport on kernel ? |
| 17:47.17 | resiak | Hmm, lisa does have an init script --- I purged it this morning. |
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| 17:48.04 | xophEr | how can I install debian on a sata-drive? |
| 17:48.29 | dondelelcaro | xophEr: boot from the install cdrom, and install it. |
| 17:48.42 | dondelelcaro | xophEr: you probably will need to use the 2.6 kernel; see the install guide for details. |
| 17:49.04 | wild2283 | sometimes i wish their pc would give certain users a 220v shock when they ask questions before consulting google |
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| 17:49.26 | cougar` | Hello all. Every 15 seconds I keep being harassed by this ip. 10.125.144.1 and then one of my machines behind my router contacts it. It keeps being logged by ipTables and really filling up the syslogemu.log in the /var/log/ulog directory. |
| 17:49.29 | resiak | Cattle prod/IP! |
| 17:49.39 | resiak | cougar`: That's not a question. |
| 17:49.51 | cougar` | I know : I haven't asked it yet :P |
| 17:50.03 | dondelelcaro | cougar`: uh... you realize that that's an unroutable IP? |
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| 17:50.21 | Yokalosh | i dont think i have the right repositories :S |
| 17:50.21 | cougar` | dondelelcaro : I don't know what that means |
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| 17:50.29 | wild2283 | cougar`: it's a private ip |
| 17:50.32 | ke6isf | cougar`: 10.* is an internal IP address, used on internal lans only. |
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| 17:50.35 | wild2283 | it's not coming from the internet |
| 17:50.56 | cougar` | ke6isf : My LAN network is 192.168.1.x |
| 17:50.56 | csezol | If i know well, debian 3.1 is a 7 CD distribution. |
| 17:51.07 | resiak | csezol: ITYM 28 |
| 17:51.15 | cougar` | Hmm, where is it comin' from? |
| 17:51.15 | mwilson | csezol: You don't. |
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| 17:51.22 | TheAsp | heh |
| 17:51.23 | csezol | Even there are 1 cd distros, and they're "BASED ON DEBIAN".. |
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| 17:51.37 | csezol | how its this possible |
| 17:51.42 | cy__ | theres the debian netinstall.. also a 1 cd install.. |
| 17:51.43 | csezol | whats "from debian" in those distros |
| 17:51.48 | ke6isf | csezol: They use APT. That's about it. |
| 17:51.49 | dondelelcaro | csezol: who knows? |
| 17:51.50 | csezol | ? |
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| 17:52.20 | dondelelcaro | csezol: they can take just about anything and modulate it in any fashion imaginable. That's really none of our concern. |
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| 17:52.45 | cougar` | ke6isf: I don't know where it's comin' from :( |
| 17:53.03 | ke6isf | cougar`: iptraf might be able to answer the question. |
| 17:53.06 | cougar` | SOmeone said it's a DHCP probe |
| 17:53.19 | viper_ | richard_ you know what this could be ? |
| 17:53.21 | viper_ | ups |
| 17:53.22 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
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| 17:53.51 | lanix | can some one help me configure my vid card , is an intel 815 with vga soport ??? |
| 17:53.52 | cougar` | ke6isf : Would you mind givin' me a hand? |
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| 17:54.08 | ke6isf | cougar`: apt-get install iptraf, fire it up. Follow the prompts. |
| 17:54.13 | cougar` | Okay |
| 17:54.19 | Schiz0 | I installed pure-ftpd via the deb package, how do I configure what command it runs when it starts up? |
| 17:54.40 | Schiz0 | I need to add some command line switches to it which aren't there now |
| 17:54.46 | ke6isf | cougar`: There are ways to isolate ports and addresses, but if it's from 10.* it is a private network. If you're on dhcp, it *may* be a probe. |
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| 17:55.51 | cougar` | I'm on my Mac now, which keeps sending the request, or recieveing, I forget. And the Mac obtains the IP from the router via DHCP |
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| 17:55.59 | cougar` | ke6isf : Join #flood plz |
| 17:56.05 | ReDWoLf | Anyone know where I can get some help with Anope IRC Services? |
| 17:56.19 | dddss | is there a guru of cups? |
| 17:56.25 | resiak | !guru |
| 17:56.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to ... |
| 17:56.28 | cyberix | How do I want to read debian doc sgml? Should I render them first to some other format? |
| 17:56.41 | ke6isf | cougar`: Shoot. |
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| 17:57.27 | simonrvn | cyberix: sgml is useful for translating to other formats *hint* - though if you like sgml, go ahead and read that ;) |
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| 17:57.40 | simonrvn | ke6isf: i run off opennic here |
| 17:57.41 | csezol | Whats different in a software, if its licensed under GPL ? |
| 17:57.50 | ma3x | how can i calculate the dpi in firefox? |
| 17:58.12 | ke6isf | simonrvn: woo. =^^= |
| 17:58.15 | simonrvn | select other, and whip out a ruler |
| 17:58.30 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Not only do I run it, but I run two of the TLDs. |
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| 17:58.45 | simonrvn | ke6isf: oh yeh? neat |
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| 17:59.01 | cougar` | ke6isf : iptraf is now installed. Not sure what I want to monitor |
| 17:59.26 | ke6isf | cougar`: All interfaces, but you need to look in the menus to isolate the traffic. |
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| 17:59.48 | noob | dondelelcaro: i am totally new to this...i see the /etc/init.d/skeleton, but what do i do with it? |
| 17:59.50 | simonrvn | been on opennic since verisign pulled their evil stunt. never saw a reason to go back |
| 18:00.19 | simonrvn | noob: use it as an example |
| 18:00.26 | luxifer | I have made some manual modifications to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and now wanted to reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure. Did so, then checked what XF86Config-4 might look like now. Turns out it's the exact same file as before. Why? |
| 18:00.47 | simonrvn | luxifer: read comments at the top |
| 18:00.53 | dondelelcaro | noob: lisa apparently already has a init.d script. If you're using debian, you may need to run dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/lisa*.deb |
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| 18:01.13 | ke6isf | cougar`: The Configure menu option should be of help on monitoring some stuff. |
| 18:01.16 | k0walski | Is ther e a debian installer for amd64?\ |
| 18:01.41 | cougar` | ke6isf : I'm using the ifTraffic monitor and it giving me this |
| 18:01.42 | cougar` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.42 | luxifer | omg ... thanks simonrvn. I should rtfm some more :) |
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| 18:01.52 | cougar` | WOn't stop |
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| 18:02.03 | noob | i am using knoppix |
| 18:02.19 | ke6isf | cougar`: That's bootp. |
| 18:02.32 | wild2283 | cougar`: http://www.seifried.org/security/ports/0/68.html |
| 18:02.47 | wild2283 | something's trying to boot from that network |
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| 18:03.14 | resiak | noob: #knoppix is that way ---> |
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| 18:03.39 | ma3x | how do i resume ctrl+z paused process? |
| 18:03.43 | Schiz0 | Hey, I installed pure-ftpd on debian via the debian package, and it runs on boot, and I need to edit the command it runs, where would I look to find it? |
| 18:03.47 | joel_ | ma3x: fg |
| 18:03.49 | wild2283 | ma3x: fg |
| 18:03.53 | ke6isf | !knoppixsmite noob |
| 18:04.04 | wild2283 | Schiz0: /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd ? |
| 18:04.09 | Schiz0 | I looked there |
| 18:04.15 | Ninjanapin | hi , I have a printer, under debian , I use cups and samba, all is working fine, but we have one problem, when someone print something in blue (like title in oo , or in word ) , on the printpage the blue is pink .. |
| 18:04.18 | Ninjanapin | any idea ? |
| 18:04.22 | mwilson | Silly dpkg... ozone IS oxygen. |
| 18:04.33 | Schiz0 | Didn't see anything for the command line switches, |
| 18:04.36 | resiak | Ninjanapin: You're out of blue ink? |
| 18:04.39 | noob | lol |
| 18:05.01 | Ninjanapin | no resiak the ink cartridge is new, and it work fine when we print photo |
| 18:05.12 | ma3x | thanks |
| 18:05.13 | resiak | Ninjanapin: Oh. Not a clue then. |
| 18:05.15 | cougar` | wild2283, ke6isf : What does this mean? Firewall port 68 inbound and outbound where possible. DHCP traffic should not go beyond subnets, unless a dhcp relay is in use. |
| 18:05.36 | wild2283 | Schiz0: well that IS it -> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=pure-ftpd&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 18:05.48 | ma3x | in firefox after i press ctrl++ or ctrl+- for the zoom, how can i save that for next time when i start firefox |
| 18:05.53 | sky0 | cougar`: you got iptables installed? Why not block INPUT/FORWARD that address? |
| 18:06.17 | wild2283 | sky0: that'd prevent the effect, but not the cause |
| 18:06.24 | cougar` | I'm using firehol so I'm no exactly sure how to block that. Do I want to block dhcpd service on the WAN interface? |
| 18:06.40 | Ninjanapin | hmm .. where can i find help ? |
| 18:06.45 | mwilson | resiak: There was a point? :) |
| 18:07.07 | resiak | mwilson: *shrug* Don't ask me! |
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| 18:07.50 | cougar` | sky0: I'm using firehol so I'm not exactly sure how to block that |
| 18:07.59 | amorph | will aptitude hold' hold the package in apt too? |
| 18:08.05 | resiak | No. |
| 18:08.06 | sky0 | wild2283: what else could be done? blow 10.125.144.1 out the sky? |
| 18:08.08 | amorph | oh |
| 18:08.19 | resiak | amorph: At least, I don't think so. Experimentt ? |
| 18:08.29 | sky0 | cougar`: I don't know firehol, just a moment. |
| 18:08.30 | amorph | i will test it |
| 18:08.47 | Armstrong_dopage | hi |
| 18:08.49 | wild2283 | sky0: investigate where it's coming from ;) |
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| 18:09.15 | cougar` | sky0 : Okay. Thanks. Here ya go, http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:09.31 | Ninjanapin | why the blue is pink , is it related to bad driver ? |
| 18:09.35 | FieldySnuts | firewalling that stuff only works up until the point your bandwidth is saturated, after that, you have to get somebody upstream to stop it |
| 18:09.37 | amorph | doesnt hold it |
| 18:09.51 | resiak | amorph: Didn't think so. If you use aptitude you pretty much have to only use it. |
| 18:10.21 | FieldySnuts | traffic from that IP should not be crossing routers anyway. wherever it's coming from is irresponsible egress filtering wise, and your isp is irresponsible for letting it get to you |
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| 18:11.03 | hcooper | bash has in the last few days stopped reading my ~/.bash_profile - any ideas why? |
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| 18:11.30 | mwilson | hcooper: Read the INVOCATION section of the bash man page. |
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| 18:11.46 | Schiz0 | wild2283- I looked through /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd And I see nothing in there that has any of the current command line switches it runs. |
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| 18:12.57 | WiFiTux | Hi, anyone knows why I get flooded by these messages in dmesg? |
| 18:13.01 | WiFiTux | CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcs32' |
| 18:13.02 | WiFiTux | class_hotplug - name = vcs32 |
| 18:13.06 | wild2283 | Schiz0: i don't use it, so i don't have it's init script |
| 18:13.08 | wild2283 | hold on though |
| 18:13.20 | Schiz0 | wild2283- want me to paste it? |
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| 18:14.06 | wild2283 | no - i'm downloading the deb |
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| 18:14.23 | Schiz0 | ok, thanks. |
| 18:14.29 | amorph | what would cause a socket to disappear to prevent mysql from starting? |
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| 18:15.05 | ma3x | can anybody tell me just few steps how to setup rule to in iptables to block port 80? |
| 18:15.10 | ma3x | i don't want to read the whole manual yet |
| 18:15.17 | abrotman | WiFiTux: usb device |
| 18:15.22 | ma3x | hi abrotman |
| 18:15.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:15.40 | abrotman | ma3x: #iptables or netfilter.org |
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| 18:15.56 | undertow | anyone have any information on making a .torrent with cfv? ive been trying for quite a while and cant figure it out. |
| 18:16.18 | sky0 | cougar`: something about the "blacklist" feature would probably do it; or simply append two lines to your firehol.conf: "iptables -I INPUT -s 10.125.144.1 -d 255.255.255.255 -j DROP" ; and one with "FORWARD" instead of "INPUT". |
| 18:16.27 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I haven't plugged anything in. |
| 18:16.47 | wild2283 | Schiz0: running standalone or inet.d ? |
| 18:16.50 | amorph | ma3x: will drop all traffic, then use a rule to open each port you want opened |
| 18:16.55 | Schiz0 | standalone |
| 18:16.56 | cougar` | Sky0 : I'm going to try putting server dhcp accept |
| 18:17.16 | WiFiTux | abrotman: it floods my dmesg on boot. I have checked and have no debug enabled for hotplug. :( |
| 18:17.25 | cougar` | sky0 : If that doesn't work, I'll go with what you pasted. And if that don't work, I'll let you know |
| 18:17.37 | abrotman | WiFiTux: find out what device that is ... |
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| 18:18.10 | Skaja | how do i uninstall grub |
| 18:18.14 | WiFiTux | abrotman: hhhmm might be the fingerprint reader which we have no driver for but might be causing things... |
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| 18:18.24 | ma3x | amorph : ok i agree |
| 18:18.34 | undertow | or, any other way to make a torrent that doesnt require installing azureus? btcompletedir fails with python errors and updating bittorrent didnt get me btmaketorrentgui.... |
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| 18:18.44 | WiFiTux | abrotman: hey, btw can I have 2 different versions of gcc on the system? Say like have gcc4 and then 3.3.2 installed later? |
| 18:18.49 | wild2283 | Schiz0: http://linux.com.hk/PenguinWeb/manpage.jsp?section=8&name=pure-ftpd-wrapper |
| 18:18.57 | wild2283 | Schiz0: that's probably what you're looking for |
| 18:18.58 | cougar` | sky0 : That doidn't work, now they're comin' even faster |
| 18:19.12 | amorph | ma3x: i guess you could just change ACCEPT to DROP if you wanted to just close one port |
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| 18:19.23 | abrotman | WiFiTux: yes ... but the C++ ABI is different |
| 18:19.35 | cougar` | sky0 : Holy crap :P |
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| 18:20.23 | vmax71 | Hi all! |
| 18:20.27 | Schiz0 | wild2283- Yeah I think that's it, Thanks. |
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| 18:20.53 | sky0 | cougar`: can you paste "iptables -n -v -L INPUT" in #flood? same with "FORWARD". |
| 18:20.58 | vmax71 | I need to pack the kernel vanilla 2.6.12-3 |
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| 18:21.01 | amorph | ma3x in channel pls |
| 18:21.08 | vmax71 | How can I do it? |
| 18:21.11 | ma3x | that first cmd should i replace INPUT ? |
| 18:21.27 | cougar` | sky0 : I haven't tried the suggestion you gave me yet, doin' that now. |
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| 18:22.04 | amorph | ma3x: the first command will act as a firewall blocking all traffic and securing all ports |
| 18:22.21 | FieldySnuts | !singlishsmite Phated |
| 18:22.22 | dpkg | Phated: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
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| 18:23.03 | amorph | FieldySnuts and Phated are in love |
| 18:23.06 | ma3x | can iptables and ipchains work combined? |
| 18:23.21 | tarzeau | can i have screen window names automatically set by whatever process was last run in the window? |
| 18:23.32 | Phated | amorph: How very quaint of you to think so. |
| 18:23.40 | sky0 | ma3x: I don't think so; why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 18:23.49 | amorph | ma3x: i think iptables superceeded ipchains? |
| 18:23.54 | ma3x | so what is ipchains then for? |
| 18:24.07 | cougar` | sky0 : That is not working, in fact that is making them come quicker : You don't want to see the output of that command. I have approxmately 500 some iptables rules |
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| 18:24.41 | Lorvija | Hiya, is there a voice recognition software for linux which can perform some commands when it "hears" specific command? |
| 18:24.50 | abrotman | ma3x: old and deprecated |
| 18:25.00 | amorph | IBM ViaVoice is available but its not free |
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| 18:25.22 | green_earz | ma3x: here is a link for a intro in iptables > http://linuxgazette.net/103/odonovan.html |
| 18:25.32 | Lorvija | too bad, any free ones you know amorph? |
| 18:25.37 | amorph | hi green_earz |
| 18:25.43 | cougar` | sky0 : nevermind... I can poaste that info |
| 18:25.52 | green_earz | hello there |
| 18:25.58 | dockane | hi all |
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| 18:26.35 | Black-Jack | hi, who know what this error mean? "hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21" |
| 18:26.49 | luxifer | what's the best editor to use when editing conf-files? |
| 18:26.49 | amorph | Lorvija: i was looking for one myself, i believe there is one but it still uses a commercial addon from IBM ViaVoice |
| 18:27.10 | amorph | Lorvija I think it's useless without this addon |
| 18:27.27 | luxifer | I've heard of nano and pico, but I was wondering if there's a better one. I could use Midnight Commander as well. Any tips? |
| 18:27.50 | Lorvija | amorph hmm okay :/ how about basic voice recognition software, could they be modified so that they'd perform a command when they hear something? |
| 18:27.58 | Wyzard | cougar`: What DHCP packets are you trying to block? |
| 18:28.00 | Orator | luxifer:vi |
| 18:28.05 | jdhutchin1 | luxifer, vi? it does syntax higlighting in many types of config files |
| 18:28.16 | tyler7 | hello all. i'm trying to install debian on my portege 3015ct but i'm having a problem burning cd's that the installer will recognize. I'm getting a "There was a problem reading data from the CDROM." I'm having to burn from my OSX mac with toast. I'm mounting the image and burning a copy. Am I doing this wrong? Can't get my PC's burner to work so I'm stuck using my MAC. |
| 18:28.16 | ma3x | amorph that closes ports, but not stealth |
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| 18:28.28 | amorph | Lorvija: yes, IBM ViaVoice can carry out commands.. under Windows theres far more choice |
| 18:28.35 | abrotman | ma3x: ask #iptables |
| 18:28.38 | green_earz | luxifer: i use nano to edit config files. its a handy little editor |
| 18:28.39 | jdhutchin1 | ma3x, why do you want to "stealth" ports? |
| 18:28.40 | cougar` | Wyzard : Buddy! The guy that got me fixed on firehol :P |
| 18:28.42 | Wyzard | tyler7: No, don't mount the image... you need to burn the image itself |
| 18:28.53 | Lorvija | amorph yea but free ones.. (: i got the picture viavoice is not free? |
| 18:28.53 | cougar` | Wyzard : I'm receiving these requests every 15 seconds man |
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| 18:28.59 | cougar` | It's bad |
| 18:29.16 | cougar` | Wyzard : Look on #flood. Sky0 been tryin' to help me |
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| 18:29.22 | amorph | ViaVoice for Linux is 39 dollars approx i think |
| 18:29.23 | ma3x | jdhutchin1: i dont know just want to try it out |
| 18:29.30 | Wyzard | tyler7: The iso file contains boot information in addition to the files. If you just copy the files, you lose the boot information. |
| 18:29.37 | jdhutchin1 | ma3x, you could just drop all packets to the port, iirc that's what "stealth" does |
| 18:29.38 | amorph | im sure its available for less in certain places if you look hard enough ;) |
| 18:29.42 | Wyzard | cougar`: From inside your LAN, or from the Internet? |
| 18:29.46 | schbond | is there a way to access my gmail messages from anywhere (imap?) without using gmail's web interface? |
| 18:29.48 | Lorvija | amorph yea but i'm not gonna pay for this =) |
| 18:29.54 | jdhutchin1 | schbond, gmail has a pop3 interface |
| 18:30.00 | vmax71 | Can anyone help me? |
| 18:30.02 | Lorvija | amorph and yea i could leech it but i'd rather use free one if available.. ;) |
| 18:30.07 | k0walski | Is there a debian installer for amd 64? |
| 18:30.14 | schbond | jdhutchin1: yes, I know, but I want to be able to view my messages from multiple locations |
| 18:30.20 | amorph | theres no free project for voice recognition under Linux as far as i know |
| 18:30.25 | amorph | unfortunately |
| 18:30.35 | cougar` | Wyzard : I'm not sure : Check #flood plz |
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| 18:30.48 | schbond | I was thinking of setting up an IMAP mail server, downloading the messages to there, but I'm pretty new to mail servers |
| 18:31.00 | tyler7 | ok, trying that |
| 18:31.05 | schbond | I don't really know where to begin |
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| 18:31.27 | Lorvija | amorph whoa, im surprised =) ow well gotta try to come up with something then. and I'll check out that viavoice thing too. |
| 18:31.33 | Lorvija | Thanks for the info =) |
| 18:31.37 | amorph | :) |
| 18:31.40 | levander | Can I still not access Gracenote's cddb with grip? |
| 18:31.43 | Wyzard | cougar`: The "IN-lan" and "IN=eth0" tell you that it's coming from your eth0 network interface, and being matched by the FireHOL interface block named "lan"... i.e. the "interface eth0 lan" one |
| 18:31.51 | Wyzard | cougar`: Presumably, that's your LAN |
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| 18:32.21 | green_earz | schbond: here is a link for a debian mail server setup > its one to bookmark > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 18:32.31 | Wyzard | cougar`: UDP packets from port 67 to 68 are DHCP requests (something trying to get an IP address), and port 631 is the Internet Printing Protocol; those packets are broadcast by your Mac to inform other computers of what printers it has available |
| 18:32.34 | Wyzard | cougar`: Neither are attacks |
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| 18:33.00 | cougar` | Wyzard : I understand, but they are filling up the logs constantly |
| 18:33.03 | schbond | green_earz: I have seen that link in my google efforts, but I choke up on the SQL part.. don't know a bit of SQL |
| 18:33.24 | amorph | im having problems starting mysql, its not creating a socket :-/ |
| 18:33.34 | amorph | could this be a user/permission issue i wonder |
| 18:34.26 | ma3x | amorph : how do i delete that first rule? |
| 18:34.28 | cougar` | Wyzard : My mac OS X machine is the 192.168.1.2. It obtains IP via DHCP from the router. So why is the IP 10.125.144.1 ? |
| 18:34.45 | Wyzard | cougar`: That's because the "reject" action is applied to them, which causes the rejections to be logged |
| 18:35.00 | amorph | ma3x: iptables -nL --line-numbers <-- this will list rules |
| 18:35.00 | PerfDave | Is there any way of seeing which applications are swapped out and which in memory? |
| 18:35.03 | green_earz | schbond: i would say that i well worth a bit of time for you to read up on mysql for the howto. |
| 18:35.04 | cougar` | Wyzard : WHat should I do? |
| 18:35.05 | magyar | i changed mobos and I can't boot. I get the message "pivot_root: Nosuch file or directory" |
| 18:35.09 | Wyzard | cougar`: "server cups drop" should cause the IPP packets to be silently ignored, IIRC |
| 18:35.21 | Wyzard | cougar`: The machine running FireHOL... is it also the DHCP server? |
| 18:35.27 | cougar` | Yes |
| 18:35.29 | amorph | ma3x: iptables -D INPUT # <-- this will delete rule, # = rule number from list |
| 18:35.31 | cougar` | Wyzard : yes |
| 18:35.40 | schbond | green_earz: will do. thanks |
| 18:36.06 | ma3x | amorph , that's #1 i assume? |
| 18:36.06 | schbond | I was kind of hoping for a 'quick solution' haha |
| 18:36.10 | BR_ | iptables -D is the most dangerous command I find ;) |
| 18:36.22 | amorph | ma3x: should be if it was first rule, but check your list to be sure |
| 18:36.33 | ma3x | amorph : how do i check the list? |
| 18:36.36 | BR_ | I keep deleteing all the rules and remembering the Policy is on DROP :) |
| 18:36.42 | ma3x | i just tried to delete #1 it says bad rule |
| 18:36.42 | amorph | ma3x: iptables -nL --line-numbers <-- this will list rules |
| 18:36.57 | Wyzard | cougar`: Looking at what you pasted in #flood, the DHCP request that had the 10.x source address came from the Internet (eth1, "world") rather than from your LAN |
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| 18:37.00 | amorph | ma3x: iptables -nL --line-numbers <-- this will list rules |
| 18:37.12 | cougar` | Wyzard : I don't mind the cups packets, that comes once ina while, it's the dhcp requests |
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| 18:37.31 | cougar` | Wyzard : Really... |
| 18:37.38 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why is is he allowing DHCP requests inbound? |
| 18:37.41 | ma3x | so there are two: chain input and chain forward |
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| 18:37.48 | streuner_ | amorph: Don't do this again. |
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| 18:37.53 | Wyzard | cougar`: You could add "server cups drop" in your "world" FireHOL interface to suppress logging of those |
| 18:38.11 | Wyzard | mwilson: He isn't; he's receiving them (from who-knows-who on the Internet) and rejecting them with iptables |
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| 18:38.17 | jim | where does the debian package of exim keep its spool? |
| 18:38.42 | cougar` | Wyzard : I tried to traceroute 10.125.144.1 and well, traceroute doesn't work either :( |
| 18:39.00 | mwilson | cougar`: As long as you're not responding to them, who cares? |
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| 18:39.10 | tarzeau | streuner_: wo warst du? |
| 18:39.12 | cougar` | The IP of my cable modem is 192.168.100.1 |
| 18:39.17 | Wyzard | mwilson: He's just concerned about the space they take up in his logs |
| 18:39.18 | amorph | ma3x channel pls |
| 18:39.30 | ma3x | and the same rules just under Chain FORWARD |
| 18:39.30 | mwilson | Wyzard: Doesn't he rotate his logs? |
| 18:39.33 | Wyzard | cougar`: Remember that your log files are not going to grow indefinitely |
| 18:39.38 | Wyzard | mwilson: I've told him that already |
| 18:39.39 | ma3x | the first two were at Chain INPUT |
| 18:39.42 | quzack | what file should I put my own startups in? |
| 18:39.51 | ma3x | so i want to know did i have any rules before i entered that command? |
| 18:39.54 | ma3x | or not at all? |
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| 18:40.13 | Wyzard | cougar`: I wouldn't recommend suppressing logging of any bogus stuff coming from the Internet... it's logged in case you get attacked and have to try to piece together what happened |
| 18:40.22 | mwilson | cougar`: You're *going* to hear all the DHCP requests on your subnet... that't the way the world works. |
| 18:40.22 | cougar` | Wyzard : I modified the ulog configururation for logrotate to rotate them daily, cause it wasn't rotating them, because it was up to 20 MB the other day |
| 18:40.30 | Wyzard | cougar`: Just let those DHCP packets from the Internet get rejected and logged |
| 18:40.41 | cougar` | Wyzard okay |
| 18:40.47 | magyar | i changed mobos and I can't boot. I get the message "pivot_root: No such file or directory"? |
| 18:40.55 | Wyzard | cougar`: What's so bad about a 20MB logfile? |
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| 18:40.57 | ma3x | amorph are you still there? |
| 18:41.03 | Lorvija | amorph: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/sphinx2-bin <-- did u check that out? (: |
| 18:41.03 | Wyzard | cougar`: Unless you have a really tiny hard drive, just don't worry about it |
| 18:41.48 | cougar` | Wyzard: /var is only 3.1 G :( |
| 18:41.50 | Oryn | magyar: you nolonger have drivers for your IDE chipset |
| 18:41.54 | amorph | Lorvija woa well spotted i missed that |
| 18:42.13 | Lorvija | amorph apt-get cache search speech helps ;) |
| 18:42.20 | Wyzard | cougar`: How much space do you have free? |
| 18:42.25 | cougar` | 3 G |
| 18:42.25 | Lorvija | sounds pretty nice, gotta test it someday |
| 18:42.32 | amorph | yes |
| 18:42.33 | cougar` | Wyzard : 3.0G |
| 18:42.36 | magyar | Oryn: it's Intels 955 i had 925 set |
| 18:42.39 | tyler7 | hey wyzard i must be a knucklehead. i'm burning from my pc now. just drag and drop the iso into easycdcreator as a data disc and burn? |
| 18:42.51 | Oryn | magyar: sata? |
| 18:42.57 | Lorvija | amorph: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/ |
| 18:43.08 | amorph | thanx :) |
| 18:43.09 | Wyzard | cougar`: Then don't worry about a 20MB file if you have 3GB free space |
| 18:43.12 | magyar | Oryn: yes |
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| 18:43.21 | cougar` | Wyzard : But isn't logging and the constant abuse of those packets slow down my network? |
| 18:43.25 | Wyzard | tyler7: dunno, I've never used that program |
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| 18:43.55 | cougar` | Wyzard : As I understood it lookin' at the logrotate cofiguration for ulog, it doesn't rotate the logs |
| 18:44.00 | mwilson | cougar`: How are they abuse? |
| 18:44.01 | Wyzard | cougar`: You're receiving the packets whether you log them or not, so there's nothing you can do about the tiny amount of bandwidth used |
| 18:44.13 | cougar` | Wyzard : Okay |
| 18:44.23 | moshii | Does someone know a way of passing the line in from ALSA into normalize and back out? |
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| 18:44.26 | Wyzard | cougar`: And unless your router is a 386 or something, the CPU work involved in generating a log message and writing it to disk is negligible |
| 18:45.00 | Skaja | can some tell me how to get rid of grub |
| 18:45.01 | Wyzard | cougar`: I've never done any configuration of ulogd whatsoever, and my logs get rotated |
| 18:45.16 | lanix | i need help configuring graphic card is an intel r 815 i dont know whats rong resolution is to big color are rong i cant configure since everi thing is to big any help ? |
| 18:45.24 | Wyzard | cougar`: It's probably done by the logrotate that gets run each day by cron |
| 18:45.29 | moshii | Skaja: apt-get remove grub .. but make sure you have something to boot with first ;) |
| 18:46.03 | Skaja | i have a dual boot system |
| 18:46.20 | cougar` | Wyzard : Okay, I'll watch them |
| 18:46.24 | mwilson | Skaja: What does that have to do with it? |
| 18:46.35 | cougar` | Wyzard : Next question, how can I allow traceroutes to work? |
| 18:46.47 | cougar` | traceroute on the router itself does not work |
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| 18:46.54 | moshii | Skaja: doesn't matter, you'll still need a boot loader whatever setup |
| 18:46.58 | Wyzard | cougar`: You shouldn't need to do anything special for a traceroute to work |
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| 18:47.18 | Skaja | i just want to use windows |
| 18:47.28 | MaL-EleMenTo | d |
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| 18:47.39 | Smerdyakov | Hm. A buildd.debian.org site is not responding for me. |
| 18:47.39 | krystalino | wich is the best emulator for psx 1 and for nintendo64 ? |
| 18:48.01 | cougar` | Wyzard : Hang on 1 second, can you paste the contents of /etc/logrotate.d/ulogd file plz |
| 18:48.20 | moshii | Skaja: you need to replace grub with windows standard loader then, depending on what version of windows you use; you have a few ways to do that |
| 18:48.26 | Wyzard | cougar`: 10.x addresses are non-routable private addresses which aren't valid to be used on the Internet; when you try to traceroute that, it's probably blocked by your iptables rules, which is a good thing |
| 18:48.34 | MaL-EleMenTo | que hablarannn |
| 18:48.36 | dockane | after installing the proprietary ati driver xserver does not start ... "failed to load fglrx (module does not exist,0) Fatal server error no screens found". anybody with an idea how to fix this ? |
| 18:48.39 | MaL-EleMenTo | nadie habla español |
| 18:49.02 | krystalino | MaL-EleMenTo, english here |
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| 18:49.20 | cougar` | Wyzard : tracerouting apple.com does not work either. |
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| 18:49.29 | cougar` | Wyzard : Can you paste the contents of /etc/logrotate.d/ulogd file plz |
| 18:49.31 | moshii | krystalino: epsxe is good for psx, there's only one linux n64 emulator if I remember correctly |
| 18:49.34 | Wyzard | cougar`: see #flood |
| 18:49.37 | cougar` | okay |
| 18:49.49 | MaL-EleMenTo | spanisk |
| 18:50.05 | ver | is there any problem on the debian server to load kernel during installation? |
| 18:50.10 | cougar` | Wyzard : traceroute apple.com fails as well. |
| 18:50.21 | Wyzard | cougar`: I can traceroute apple.com from my router, and I didn't need to do anything special to enable that |
| 18:50.25 | covux | Skaja: for winxp: if you only want windows bootmanager you have to boot from win install cd go in recovery console and type fixmbr and fixboot |
| 18:50.44 | Skaja | oh god |
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| 18:51.15 | valdyn | dockane: you did not install the ati drivers properly, /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 18:51.34 | cougar` | Wyzard : I'm tryin' now, oh there it goes. I must been really tired last night. I was up till 6 AM tryin' to find out what that 10. IP was |
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| 18:52.08 | Wyzard | cougar`: What surprises me is that you even received a packet claiming to be from a 10.x address -- your ISP should have blocked that -- but it doesn't really matter |
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| 18:53.06 | xophEr | how can I install debian on a sata-drive? |
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| 18:53.15 | cougar` | Well, I thought it was my wirelsss access point, so Unplugged that. Unplugged alot of stuff basically, Only time it stopped was when Turned off the Mac's Built-in-Ethernet |
| 18:53.44 | valdyn | xophEr: same as on any other drive. try however to use a 2.6 kernel, ( linux26 at the install disk boot prompt ) |
| 18:53.53 | dockane | valdyn, dpkg isn really helpfull in this point : ">dpkg< ati drirvers" |
| 18:53.53 | Wyzard | cougar`: Unplugging the Mac would stop its printer announcements on port 631, but has no effect on traffic from the Internet |
| 18:53.58 | cougar` | Wyzard : Traceroute works from the router. Does not work from a machine behind the router. Which is prolly normal |
| 18:54.02 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 18:54.02 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 18:54.13 | xophEr | valdyn, so it will recongnize it straight away? |
| 18:54.14 | dockane | valdyn, ah ok. got it |
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| 18:54.19 | xophEr | no need to load any drivers etc? |
| 18:54.47 | valdyn | xophEr: if your disk controller is recognised and supported, but that is not sata-specific. |
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| 18:54.59 | Wyzard | cougar`: I can traceroute from behind the router too |
| 18:55.07 | cougar` | I can't |
| 18:55.12 | xophEr | valdyn, allright, thanks |
| 18:55.40 | cougar` | Wyzard : Look in #flood |
| 18:55.46 | Marxist | dpkg, shouldn't the term proprietary source be used? |
| 18:56.12 | valdyn | Marxist: the source is not provided. |
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| 18:57.16 | Marxist | that's what makes it proprietary |
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| 18:57.24 | Amce | test |
| 18:57.24 | valdyn | Marxist: no. |
| 18:57.28 | ver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.05 | Marxist | well is "closed source" to be used? |
| 18:58.41 | valdyn | Marxist: sure, why not, its the logical contrast to open-source |
| 18:59.10 | postel | Hi, how do i capture every key press in a debian session? xterm, x apps and everything |
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| 18:59.29 | valdyn | postel: on a 2.6.x kernel? |
| 18:59.34 | postel | yeap |
| 18:59.36 | Marxist | are you an open-source "advocate" or a free software "advocate" |
| 18:59.39 | postel | 2.6.11 |
| 18:59.41 | Marxist | there's the difference |
| 18:59.48 | Wyzard | "Proprietary" doesn't mean "not available"... it means someone owns it exclusively |
| 18:59.49 | cougar` | Wyzard, Sky0 : Thanks for the help. Thanks to the rest that helped |
| 19:00.17 | Wyzard | "Closed-source" is more appropriate |
| 19:00.18 | cougar` | Wyzard : Should I contact my ISP? |
| 19:00.35 | Wyzard | cougar`: If you want, but I wouldn't bother |
| 19:00.47 | Wyzard | cougar`: Receiving a few stray packets is a trivial issue |
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| 19:00.56 | cougar` | Wyzard : Okay |
| 19:01.09 | xiptos | Hi all! I have some wird problem... when trying to run mipsel-uclinux-gcc under 2.6.12.3 it gives permission denied. With 2.6.11 it run fine. Any thoughts? |
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| 19:01.23 | valdyn | postel: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/misc/evexec.c will grab *everything*, not just X stuff. 'xev' will just grub X events. |
| 19:01.40 | valdyn | s/grub/grab/ |
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| 19:01.52 | Marxist | Wyzard, did i imply that it meant available or anything of that nature? |
| 19:01.58 | Wyzard | postel: I doubt that's possible without patching the kernel's keyboard driver or something |
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| 19:02.22 | elirips | hello. lspci says that i have the following modem in my thinkpad t40p: 'ntel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01)'. how can i check if a driver for this modem has already been loaded? i would like to use that modem to send faxes and dial-up to the internet. |
| 19:02.32 | Wyzard | Marxist: You told valdyn that "the source is not provided" is what makes it proprietary |
| 19:02.47 | Stereo | hello |
| 19:02.50 | Eclipser | "a few stray packets"... heh, I once received ~300MB some data to port 135 at 5MBps :p I emailed the culprit and my network admin :p |
| 19:02.50 | postel | valdyn: but it wont display the output on readable form, right? I#ll get the event codes |
| 19:02.53 | Marxist | i meant software not source |
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| 19:03.07 | Marxist | simple mistake on my part |
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| 19:03.39 | Eclipser | probably was some windoze virus or something |
| 19:03.43 | rleigh | Hi folks. Does anyone here have a "QIC" tape drive, or any other tape drive supported by the ftape tape driver? If so, would you be willing to test a package for me? |
| 19:03.59 | Stereo | I have a system that stops booting right after ending runlevel 2. I enabled debug in init, and the last thing it prints is about starting bootlogd, which is disabled. I am not sure what I should do to find the problem - any ideas? |
| 19:04.10 | xiptos | Even some programs compiled now, like conf, doesn't run under 2.6.12.3... anyone experienced the same problem? |
| 19:04.15 | liran | guys i need some help with remotely connecting to an xserver |
| 19:04.16 | liran | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.16 | liran | 6001,6002 and 5902 and 5901 ports listening on the machine though for some reason i cant seem |
| 19:04.16 | liran | to connect to the box from a linux box using the vncviewer or tightvnc client from a windows box. |
| 19:04.17 | deepa1 | is this syntax correct to capture all those packets that come through telnet ... /usr/sbin/tcpdump -n -nn port 23 |
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| 19:04.31 | liran | sorry about that |
| 19:04.35 | abrotman | man .. tcpdump ? |
| 19:04.35 | Wyzard | rleigh: A few weeks ago I found a QIC drive and one tape, buried at the bottom of a bin of old hardware... |
| 19:04.43 | valdyn | postel: naturally keycodes. |
| 19:04.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: you freak |
| 19:04.58 | liran | any ideas? |
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| 19:05.17 | Kylixen | deepa1: tcpdump -x -nn -s 1500 port 23 |
| 19:05.23 | jim | liran: don't flood your question... put it all on one line if you're going to do that, or better, put it on a web page, come up with a summary question, ask it and show the url where the detailed question is |
| 19:05.33 | cadu | Wyzard: it still works? capacity ? *_* |
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| 19:05.38 | Wyzard | xiptos: I'm running 2.6.12 from sid's "linux-source-2.6.12" package, and I haven't had problems like that |
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| 19:05.46 | Rockret | anyone have idea how to uninstall grub ? |
| 19:05.46 | Stereo | when I disable debug, it eventually prints about INIT: ID "1" respawning too fast:disabled for 5 minutes |
| 19:05.48 | liran | jim: yeah, my bad :p |
| 19:05.49 | Wyzard | cadu: I didn't connect it... I have no use for it |
| 19:05.52 | Stereo | and so on for every runlevel |
| 19:05.57 | cadu | Wyzard: send it to me :) |
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| 19:05.57 | Stereo | then it says |
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| 19:06.02 | abrotman | MOO |
| 19:06.03 | xiptos | Wyzard: going to try that... |
| 19:06.06 | Wyzard | cadu: It got thrown away |
| 19:06.08 | abrotman | Rockret: install another bootloader |
| 19:06.10 | Stereo | InitMass: no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 19:06.15 | Stereo | uh |
| 19:06.18 | Stereo | just INIT, sorry |
| 19:06.27 | Stereo | and it just sits there |
| 19:06.27 | rleigh | Wyzard: If it's still working, please could you try http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ftape/ftape-util_1.09.2002.03.21-0.4_i386.deb |
| 19:06.32 | Rockret | i want install win 98 and after linux again |
| 19:06.32 | valdyn | Rockret: since you probably don't want to live with an unbootable system, just install a different bootloader. |
| 19:06.35 | PeterB | !info lkl sarge |
| 19:06.36 | cadu | donate hardware to poor brazillians ! :) donate hardware to meeeee ! :P |
| 19:06.44 | dpkg | lkl: (userspace keylogger for x86 architechture), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.1.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 19:06.45 | xiptos | Wyzard: is 2.6.12 already in sid? |
| 19:06.53 | Wyzard | rleigh: It's in the trash and gone |
| 19:06.56 | Wyzard | xiptos: went in a few days ago |
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| 19:07.09 | rleigh | Wyzard: OK, that's a shame. |
| 19:07.11 | Rockret | fdisk /mbr ? |
| 19:07.15 | valdyn | Rockret: so install it, grub shouldnt get in the way. |
| 19:07.34 | Rockret | but I dont wanna lost my parition in linux |
| 19:07.37 | jim | Rockret: you want no more linux? |
| 19:07.37 | xiptos | Wyzard: apt-cache search kernel source 2.6.12 gives nothing... |
| 19:07.39 | Rockret | partition |
| 19:07.41 | Wyzard | rleigh: along with a bunch of serial mice, 40-pin IDE cables, a few ISA soundcards, etc. |
| 19:07.46 | Wyzard | xiptos: linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 19:07.55 | Wyzard | xiptos: They changed the packaging, and with it, the naming scheme |
| 19:07.55 | valdyn | Rockret: what has loosing partitions to do with your bootloader? |
| 19:07.58 | jim | ok, what's wrong with grub? |
| 19:08.12 | xiptos | Wyzard: that's why I couldn't find it... |
| 19:08.28 | Wyzard | rleigh: Sorry, 40-wire IDE cables... all of them are 40-pin :-) |
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| 19:08.46 | Rockret | with grub I cant install win 98 other partition (i made resize) |
| 19:08.56 | valdyn | Rockret: bullshit. |
| 19:08.57 | abrotman | jim: it's not scottish .. it's cchrap! |
| 19:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 799] by debhelper |
| 19:09.21 | Rockret | let me try |
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| 19:10.09 | abrotman | uhm |
| 19:10.15 | abrotman | i think he's saying he can't start the windows installer :) |
| 19:10.35 | cadu | anyone here has seen koyaan ? |
| 19:10.44 | valdyn | abrotman: probably.. |
| 19:10.48 | jim | !anyone |
| 19:10.48 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:11.04 | liran | whats the syntax for vncviewer to connect? |
| 19:11.24 | wild2283 | vncviewer <host> ? |
| 19:11.32 | Eclipser | blah |
| 19:11.37 | abrotman | liran: man vncviewer |
| 19:11.38 | wild2283 | ? |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 19:11.42 | dpkg | Aww, reading is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 19:12.04 | jim | that's a non-reading barbie! |
| 19:12.32 | liran | abrotman: im trying, it doesnt connect :) |
| 19:12.33 | Eclipser | why is it that I can't shutdown my laptop from xfce4, it just says that I need to have root (me) to add my account name to /etc/xfce4/something or install sudo and allow me to use halt and reboot commands... which I have |
| 19:12.36 | wild2283 | dpkg: what's your phone number ? |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | liran: sounds like it's broken |
| 19:12.52 | wild2283 | d'oh, gotta teach it the basics, eh ? |
| 19:13.25 | valdyn | Eclipser: what doesn't work? |
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| 19:13.28 | jim | it knows who its daddy is |
| 19:13.34 | Eclipser | my account name is also in the /etc/xfce4/shutdown.allow |
| 19:13.48 | Eclipser | valdyn, shutting down computer from xfce4 |
| 19:13.56 | Eclipser | (as myself, not root) |
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| 19:14.04 | liran | abrotman: well im trying `vncviewer 10.200.1.7:1` and it just hangs, although there's ping and i can ssh to that box. from a windows client using tightvnc i connect just fine. so im assuming its got to be with the syntax or something |
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| 19:14.48 | Eclipser | I also have all priviledges in use of sudo (need to supply password though) |
| 19:14.55 | Eclipser | which I think xfce4 doesn't know |
| 19:15.23 | Eclipser | should I add non-password version of halt and reboot to /etc/sudoers |
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| 19:15.49 | valdyn | Eclipser: that part is just for the use of 'shutdown' or 'halt' |
| 19:15.55 | Stereo | right, I've narrowed my problem down |
| 19:16.08 | Eclipser | valdyn, what part? |
| 19:16.11 | jim | to mono? |
| 19:16.13 | Kylixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.17 | MaL-EleMenTo | sip! |
| 19:16.21 | valdyn | Eclipser: changing /etc/sudoers |
| 19:16.27 | MaL-EleMenTo | holas |
| 19:16.34 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 19:16.38 | barry | uh...I can't get my USB printer to work...it's an HP, and I loaded the HP drivers and stuff, but it still won't work |
| 19:16.39 | Stereo | after booting into single mode, my system stays in runlevel 2 and displays "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel". What should I do to get out of runlevel 2? |
| 19:16.41 | cbr | when will sid have the new glibc? |
| 19:16.42 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Take it off the network, restore from backups if you have them, else reinstall |
| 19:16.44 | wild2283 | Kylixen: well... _you're_ the one who configured it... |
| 19:16.46 | Eclipser | I want to be able to shutdown the computer as non-root |
| 19:16.53 | Eclipser | from xfce4 logout screen |
| 19:17.01 | Kylixen | Wyzard: A password is obviously comprimised. |
| 19:17.01 | wild2283 | Kylixen: aside from that... that thing Wyzard said ;) |
| 19:17.07 | Kylixen | wild2283: It appears to be an SSH exploit |
| 19:17.08 | barry | HP deskjet |
| 19:17.16 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Make a forensic backup first, so you can analyze it to figure out how they got in |
| 19:17.20 | pablum | Kylixen, sleuthkit... |
| 19:17.25 | cadu | Eclipser: give permissions to youself to the 'poweroff' and 'reboot' via the sudo program |
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| 19:17.33 | Wyzard | Kylixen: I've heard of SSH password-guessing attacks going around |
| 19:17.37 | Kylixen | I've already killed him |
| 19:17.38 | wild2283 | Kylixen: how'd you figure it out / what happened ? |
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| 19:17.44 | Eclipser | cadu, with NOPASS? |
| 19:17.47 | Wyzard | Kylixen: I disabled pasword authentication in my sshd, so only publickey is allowed |
| 19:17.47 | cadu | Eclipser: this way that buttons will work :) |
| 19:17.49 | MaL-EleMenTo | eyyy tio sabes de algun sofware que controle los mensajes de correoooo ... |
| 19:17.52 | cadu | Eclipser: with NOPASS |
| 19:17.55 | Eclipser | ok |
| 19:17.56 | MaL-EleMenTo | eyyy tio sabes de algun sofware que controle los mensajes de correoooo ... |
| 19:18.03 | cadu | Eclipser: so you or xfce4 could actually issue 'sudo poweroff' or such things |
| 19:18.03 | wild2283 | MaL-EleMenTo: ENGLISH only. |
| 19:18.06 | MaL-EleMenTo | osea que yo pueda ver los remitentes y receptors de los mail |
| 19:18.07 | jim | !es |
| 19:18.07 | MaL-EleMenTo | osea que yo pueda ver los remitentes y receptors de los mail |
| 19:18.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:18.16 | Eclipser | cadu, yeah |
| 19:18.16 | Kylixen | I don't think he guess it, I think he ran an over flow. Let me look through my snort logs |
| 19:18.25 | MaL-EleMenTo | se que eso ta prohibidooo ... es que aqui en la empresa hay alguien que vende la informacion |
| 19:18.34 | wild2283 | someone shut him the fuck up |
| 19:18.42 | wild2283 | jeez |
| 19:18.45 | Wyzard | Kylixen: If it was a known exploit, why didn't you have an up-to-date sshd installed? |
| 19:18.56 | Stereo | !ops can someone shut MaL-EleMenTo up? |
| 19:18.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: can someone shut MaL-EleMenTo up |
| 19:18.57 | cadu | Eclipser: just poweroff and reboot |
| 19:19.01 | magyar | i changed mobos and I can't boot. I get the message "pivot_root: No such file or directory"? |
| 19:19.13 | Kylixen | Wyzard: I just apt-get update && apt-get ugrade d like yesterday |
| 19:19.17 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 19:19.17 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@201.240.198.64] by dondelelcaro |
| 19:19.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 19:19.24 | valdyn | Eclipser: which *dm are you using? |
| 19:19.28 | Eclipser | g |
| 19:19.31 | Stereo | cheers dondelelcaro |
| 19:19.33 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Running sarge? |
| 19:19.37 | magyar | is there a better sata kernel for debian? |
| 19:19.47 | valdyn | Eclipser: run its config tool and allow users to shutdown. |
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| 19:19.56 | Kylixen | 210.204.193.1 and 200.184.167.11 are the IPs |
| 19:20.03 | dondelelcaro | magyar: which d-i image is this? which kernel did you install? |
| 19:20.04 | pablum | Kylixen, what daemons do you run? |
| 19:20.11 | barry | uh...can anyone help me to get my hp deskjet to work? |
| 19:20.15 | Eclipser | valdyn, does it make shutdown possible without logging out from xfce4 first? |
| 19:20.18 | Kylixen | Just ssh |
| 19:20.18 | valdyn | Eclipser: im not sure how this works completely, but i tried, being in /etc/xfce4/shutdown.allow is not required in this case. |
| 19:20.24 | Kylixen | It's getting shutdown for now. |
| 19:20.32 | valdyn | Eclipser: it does for me. |
| 19:20.36 | Eclipser | I'll try |
| 19:20.44 | Whisky_ | error: Superkaramba can't be compiled because of missing Python libraries/headers. :::: Which packages do i need now? i cant find anything like libpython* :/ |
| 19:20.46 | wild2283 | Kylixen: good luck... ntrj11.netterra.com.br. |
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| 19:21.09 | Kylixen | Yea, I know |
| 19:21.14 | Wyzard | Whisky_: apt-get install superkaramba if you're running sid; otherwise go to apt-get.org and look for a backport |
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| 19:21.19 | magyar | dondelelcaro: i had latest stable installed on intel 925 chipset, now i switched to 955 and i get "kernel panic" |
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| 19:21.23 | Kylixen | DDoS his latino ass |
| 19:21.28 | Wyzard | Whisky_: Don't compile it yourself if you don't know what you're doing |
| 19:21.32 | Whisky_ | ermmm im on sarge, k |
| 19:21.41 | thibault | E: Method ftp has died unexpectedly! |
| 19:21.42 | thibault | E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object |
| 19:21.46 | pablum | Kylixen, don't you need a bunch of zombies to do that, first? :) |
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| 19:21.51 | thibault | <- apt! what is happening?? |
| 19:21.52 | Petrov | hello |
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| 19:22.05 | Eclipser | valdyn, there's nothing about allowing users to shutdown in gdmsetup |
| 19:22.06 | Wyzard | Kylixen: You realize, I hope, that the source of that attack was probably just another owned box, and not the attacker's PC |
| 19:22.12 | Kylixen | pablum: Maybe :P I'll atleast spoof his IP and icmp flood him for a minute |
| 19:22.25 | Kylixen | Wyzard: Probably, but either way it will draw attention to the box |
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| 19:22.42 | Wyzard | Kylixen: If you retaliate you'll a) be committing an offense yourself, and b) accomplish nothing |
| 19:22.47 | FieldySnuts | that's a very immature response, and will likely get you negative attention |
| 19:22.59 | jim | Kylixen: but that's illegal, and could get you sued, shut down and your computers confiscated |
| 19:23.27 | barry | uh...I have Sarge, and the 2.6 kernel. I'm trying to get an HP deskjet connected by USB to work, and CUPS detects it and all, and the HP drivers are installed, but it still doesn't print |
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| 19:23.31 | pablum | yeah, those brazilian lawyers have big nasty pointy teeth! |
| 19:23.32 | Kylixen | Jim: I haven't ever heard of a case where one IP ping floods another and is prosecuted. I'm an intrusion analyst. |
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| 19:23.50 | FieldySnuts | an analyst and thinks it's okay to attack other computers. oh the irony, nice morals. |
| 19:23.54 | sadfgg | How can I figure out my secondary DNS? |
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| 19:23.56 | Whisky_ | Wyzard, Im all done with config. I solved all the problems that I faced during it but only the python libs left now and I want the latest version of super karamba :[ |
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| 19:24.16 | ikke_005 | what is the code for instal x windows system? |
| 19:24.21 | Octalthorpe | furrywolf : Ow. |
| 19:24.24 | Kylixen | Retaliation to disuade any further attacks doesn't warrant the retaliator to be ostricized. |
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| 19:24.32 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.35 | barry | I have Sarge, and the 2.6 kernel. I'm trying to get an HP deskjet connected by USB to work, and CUPS detects it and all, and the HP drivers are installed, but it still doesn't print |
| 19:24.36 | Octalthorpe | ikke_005 Up Down Left Right A B A B Start ? |
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| 19:24.38 | streuner_ | ikke_005: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 19:24.39 | jan_ | help :) |
| 19:24.40 | Whisky_ | ahh ill figure it out. np. |
| 19:24.45 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Pingflooding someone doesn't "dissuade any further attacks" |
| 19:24.59 | jim | Kylixen: you mean the mexican guy who was doubling lines? the problem is taken care of |
| 19:25.10 | ikke_005 | streuner : thx |
| 19:25.12 | Kylixen | Wyzard: If he's just a spammer looking for open boxes, then yes. If it was targeted, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't, then It wouldn't. |
| 19:25.35 | cbr | heh.. 2.6.12 is in sid.. only different name |
| 19:25.37 | cbr | linux-image |
| 19:25.46 | Kylixen | I need to get a pix, this lynksys isn't cuttin it |
| 19:26.06 | tech13 | Debian Woody, Linux 2.4, just got an external USB drive, where would i find which device is was assigned? |
| 19:26.12 | metaperl | Kylixen: i'm happy with my LInksys DSL router...you have linksys issues? |
| 19:26.29 | jim | tech13: possibly some log file? |
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| 19:26.35 | Kylixen | metaperl: Well no, but a PIX is an IPS. |
| 19:26.48 | barry | I have Sarge, and the 2.6 kernel. I'm trying to get an HP deskjet connected by USB to work, and CUPS detects it and all, and the HP drivers are installed, but it still doesn't print! |
| 19:26.48 | cadu | tech13: "tail /var/log/messages" |
| 19:26.49 | Kylixen | Plus I can write rules to block specific IPs and such. |
| 19:26.59 | Puff-n-Stuff | morning all...anybody have any insight on getting a microsolutions backpack cdrw working? |
| 19:27.02 | tech13 | jim: 'device 3' is what in something fdisk could use? |
| 19:27.07 | Wyzard | Kylixen: You came in here apparently looking for help with fixing your rooted box... now you're just talking about ways to attack someone, which is inappropriate here |
| 19:27.13 | wild2283 | Kylixen: and you can do that with iptables |
| 19:27.15 | jim | dunno |
| 19:27.18 | sadfgg | How can I figure out my secondary DNS? |
| 19:27.21 | Eclipser | valdyn, I added shutdown, halt, poweroff and reboot as NOPASSWD sudo thingie and it worked :) |
| 19:27.30 | Whisky_ | jim, Help needed with finding python libs :s |
| 19:27.30 | Wyzard | sadfgg: Ask your ISP |
| 19:27.35 | cadu | Eclipser: you're welcome.; |
| 19:27.43 | Eclipser | cadu, thanks :) |
| 19:27.45 | cadu | eheheheh |
| 19:27.59 | jim | python.. libs? howcome? |
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| 19:28.05 | sadfgg | Wyzard, Is there no lookup service for this |
| 19:28.11 | valdyn | Eclipser: ah, neat, the gdmsetup setting activating this aswell is 'Show Actions Menu' |
| 19:28.24 | wild2283 | Eclipser: so next time i'm around i can stop by for a shutdown ? |
| 19:28.27 | Whisky_ | jim, Compiling Super Karamba, getting this: error: Superkaramba can't be compiled because of missing Python libraries/headers. |
| 19:28.29 | barry | can someone help me get my HP DeskJet 810C printer working? |
| 19:28.31 | valdyn | Eclipser: guess xfce will detect whicherver way works. |
| 19:28.33 | Stereo | hello again |
| 19:28.42 | jason___ | gnome-desktop is broken in Sid |
| 19:28.43 | jason___ | why? |
| 19:28.44 | jim | python-dev? |
| 19:28.45 | Wyzard | sadfgg: If you get your IP address from your ISP via DHCP, then the DNS server information should come along with that, automatically |
| 19:28.50 | valdyn | jason___: /msg dpkg sid |
| 19:28.57 | jim | or python2.2-dev or something like that? |
| 19:29.00 | Wyzard | sadfgg: If you have a static IP, then your ISP should have told you your DNS servers at the same time as they told you your IP address |
| 19:29.06 | Eclipser | I could shutdown from gdm but I'd need to supply root password |
| 19:29.10 | Stereo | I found out that all my symlinks in /dev were gone - instead of /dev/hda1 I have to refer to /dev/ide/ etc. - how can I get them back? |
| 19:29.13 | Wyzard | jason___: Works for me |
| 19:29.14 | oskie | hm, i dist-upgraded unstable and now firefox crashes quite often |
| 19:29.18 | Eclipser | wild2283, be my guest :) |
| 19:29.20 | FieldySnuts | look at the whois records for the isp. for instance. blah.net whois blah.net the nameservers are at the end |
| 19:29.23 | Kylixen | Wyzard: I ghost here all the time. I didn't come looking for help, I just happend to be here and felt like mentioning that my deb box got rooted by an apparent SSH vulnerability. Half heartedly blowing some steam by saying I would dos him doesn't really put me in the wrong. |
| 19:29.24 | Eclipser | ah well |
| 19:29.25 | jason___ | exit |
| 19:29.27 | Kylixen | I don't even have a flood written up. |
| 19:29.27 | FieldySnuts | alternatively, dig ns blah.net |
| 19:29.29 | Eclipser | sleep now, early wake up :< |
| 19:29.40 | Whisky_ | jim, I just did that before having a look at ur messgae, installing :) |
| 19:29.49 | barry | can someone help me get my HP DeskJet 810C printer working? |
| 19:29.53 | Puff-n-Stuff | no barry,,,I cant hear you..have my volume turned down. |
| 19:29.55 | Wyzard | Kylixen: No, but it's offtopic |
| 19:29.55 | sadfgg | Wyzard, /dns just show me the primary DNS |
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| 19:30.05 | valdyn | barry: /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 19:30.09 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Anyway, I don't see any SSH advisories from 2005 on debian.org |
| 19:30.10 | jim | Whisky_: see that, you didn't need me |
| 19:30.12 | wild2283 | barry: if somebody knows, somebody will answer. |
| 19:30.20 | Kylixen | Wyzard: It's as offtopic as it is necessary for you to bring that up. |
| 19:30.32 | Thanatermesis | any person knows what are the libs needed for use 3D acceleration in INTEL cards ? |
| 19:30.47 | valdyn | barry: if however you are using sid, you're on your own, filter package names changed. |
| 19:30.52 | thibault | E: Method ftp has died unexpectedly! |
| 19:30.52 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Either your sshd was old, the attack vector wasn't an SSH exploit, or you've discovered a new vulnerability |
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| 19:30.55 | thibault | E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object |
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| 19:31.01 | thibault | why can't apt upgrade? |
| 19:31.06 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 19:31.06 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 19:31.07 | thibault | what is wrong with ftp? |
| 19:31.18 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: nothing that wouldnt be already installed with 'apt-get install x-window-system' |
| 19:31.19 | thibault | apt install works, why not upgrade? |
| 19:31.20 | Kylixen | Wyzard: It's unlikely that it was old, like I just said. I update and upgraded just yesterday, and the install is only about 3 weeks old. |
| 19:31.24 | jim | thibault: what version of linux? |
| 19:31.34 | jim | err sorry, what version of debian |
| 19:31.38 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, I have this, and not have 3d acceleration |
| 19:31.46 | thibault | jim, SuSE 9.2 |
| 19:31.47 | Wyzard | Kylixen: That eliminates one of the three possibilities I mentioned then |
| 19:31.49 | Kylixen | Wyzard: Any who, i'll do some recon and report anything interesting. |
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| 19:32.05 | jim | what?? |
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| 19:32.12 | barry | thankees |
| 19:32.15 | jim | so you are not running debian |
| 19:32.17 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Ordinarily I'd say the attack vector was something else, but if you're an intrusion analyst you presumably know what you're doing in that regard |
| 19:32.17 | jim | right? |
| 19:32.20 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: and? why do you conclude that you miss a package? |
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| 19:32.45 | valdyn | !drxx Thanatermesis |
| 19:32.46 | dpkg | Thanatermesis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 19:32.50 | Wyzard | sadfgg: "/dns" ? |
| 19:32.52 | thibault | jim, no, i use apt4rpm because i like it very much |
| 19:32.54 | Octalthorpe | thibault : What the hell are you doing in #debian if you don't have a question about Debian? |
| 19:33.01 | thibault | but suse won't help in that case |
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| 19:33.09 | TheAsp | thibault: what channel do you think this is? |
| 19:33.13 | thibault | Octalthorpe, apt is debian! |
| 19:33.19 | Octalthorpe | thibault : No, Apt is a package manager. |
| 19:33.20 | jim | no |
| 19:33.20 | Wyzard | thibault: no, not at all |
| 19:33.28 | sadfgg | Wyzard, /dns me in irc |
| 19:33.47 | Kylixen | Wyzard: It appears that it was a random attack. It was guessing regular usernames in an attempt to match popular passwords. I don't see anything in the access logs to indicate that any of them were successful. I'll report more later. |
| 19:34.15 | jim | Kylixen: that seems to be typical these days |
| 19:34.16 | valdyn | thibault: using a non-suse package tool in suse is probably stupid too, in any case you're offtopic. |
| 19:34.17 | Wyzard | sadfgg: That's not a way to find out your DNS servers |
| 19:34.29 | thibault | omg, what friendly folks here... |
| 19:34.43 | Octalthorpe | thibault : We're friendly, we're just not here to support third-party tools with other distributions. |
| 19:34.43 | Wyzard | Kylixen: That's the random SSH attacks I mentioned I've heard about... I turned off password authentication as a safeguard |
| 19:34.50 | sadfgg | Wyzard, It's not? |
| 19:34.52 | thibault | then it's a linux problem, not debian not suse, k? |
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| 19:34.56 | magyar | is there a way to get an installer that has a better SATA support. The current one is shit |
| 19:35.00 | pablum | Kylixen, there are, then, other users with possibly weak passwords on that system? |
| 19:35.02 | Octalthorpe | thibault : So go to #linux |
| 19:35.02 | jim | thibault: no |
| 19:35.09 | TheAsp | thibault: if its not a debian problem, its not a problem for #debian |
| 19:35.12 | Wyzard | sadfgg: No, that's a way to look up an IRC user's IP address |
| 19:35.37 | Octalthorpe | magyar : The new debian-installer is pretty new. Are you sure you have the new one? |
| 19:35.38 | websdale | thibault:isn't there a mailing list or similar for apt2rpm ? |
| 19:35.51 | thibault | probably |
| 19:35.58 | luminerd | Do you think I should go with Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 19:36.01 | sadfgg | Wyzard, cm-80.111.212.005.chello.no has address 80.111.212.5 |
| 19:36.06 | Octalthorpe | luminerd : Debian. |
| 19:36.10 | thibault | so you have no idea what my error could mean? |
| 19:36.13 | sadfgg | Wyzard, is not cm-80.111.212.005.chello.no the DNS? |
| 19:36.14 | TheAsp | luminerd: depends on your ability and usage |
| 19:36.14 | jim | luminerd: go with anything you want |
| 19:36.19 | Octalthorpe | You didn't even give us an error message. |
| 19:36.33 | jim | actually he did |
| 19:36.34 | Octalthorpe | Oh, hey, there it is. |
| 19:36.37 | magyar | Octalthorpe:i got the one from march with 2.6.8 and it is crappy when it comes to sata installs |
| 19:36.40 | Octalthorpe | It looks like you have a problem with FTP. |
| 19:36.50 | Kylixen | pablum: Nah, two users. Root and another. Both with nonstandard passwords |
| 19:36.51 | Octalthorpe | magyar : SATA is still spottily supported, in general. |
| 19:36.52 | Wyzard | sadfgg: That's a hostname, which was looked up from DNS by asking a DNS server. It's not the address of a DNS server. |
| 19:37.00 | luminerd | jim, TheAsp, Octalthorpe, this is for a call floor, mainly looking for ease of installation. They will need Open Office and firefox - that's about it. |
| 19:37.14 | sadfgg | Wyzard, ok, so I have to ask my ISP anyway then |
| 19:37.17 | Octalthorpe | luminerd : Why not something like knoppix, then? |
| 19:37.28 | TheAsp | Octalthorpe: ubuntu IS somehting like knoppix |
| 19:37.34 | Octalthorpe | TheAsp : Heh. |
| 19:37.37 | TheAsp | luminerd: still, could go either way |
| 19:37.38 | pablum | Kylixen, I think *everyone* has illegal login requests on their sshd port that is running sshd. |
| 19:37.43 | luminerd | Octalthorpe, Knoppix is too not-linux-like |
| 19:37.45 | magyar | Octalthorpe: why so, it seems to be pretty main stream? |
| 19:38.03 | Octalthorpe | magyar: Because hardware companies don't like opening the interface to their devices, generally. |
| 19:38.07 | Wyzard | Kylixen: If you only have one user, it shouldn't be much trouble to turn off password logins and just use publickey :-) |
| 19:38.07 | magyar | Octalthorpe: M$ supports it fine |
| 19:38.20 | TheAsp | luminerd: if you just want a disk that you throw in and works for a single user right off the bat, ubuntu is probably all you need, but you can do the same with debian |
| 19:38.23 | magyar | Octalthorpe: i tought intel opened it fully |
| 19:38.33 | TheAsp | luminerd: what do you want to support? :) |
| 19:38.46 | jim | luminerd: try each install (incl. debian and anything else you'd want to eval) and see how easy it is |
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| 19:38.54 | Wyzard | Kylixen: Turn off PermitRootLogin too... no idea why that's on by default in Debian |
| 19:38.55 | Mariele | sorry |
| 19:39.03 | Mariele | :) |
| 19:39.04 | luminerd | TheAsp, linux =) I'd put slackware but that's to not-user-friendly for the people on the call floor. They want winsux-like interface |
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| 19:39.16 | jim | Mariele: about? |
| 19:39.17 | barry | ok, I got my computer to send jobs to my printer, but all it's printing is %! PS-Adobe-1.0 %RBINumCopies: 1 and some other stuf |
| 19:39.19 | Kylixen | bbqsz |
| 19:39.21 | Octalthorpe | magyar: The best thing you can do would probably be to talk to the debian-installer people about your problem, or figure out if it's actually a d-i problem and not a kernel issue. |
| 19:39.28 | luminerd | TheAsp, it needs to actually be installed to the system |
| 19:39.34 | websdale | luminerd:DamnSmallLinux is good for simple installs |
| 19:39.35 | Wyzard | barry: You're sending PostScript to a printer which apparently doesn't understand it |
| 19:39.37 | Mariele | the away |
| 19:39.45 | luminerd | jim, I don't have that amount of time |
| 19:39.48 | Mariele | fixed |
| 19:39.51 | barry | Wyzard: ok |
| 19:39.54 | luminerd | these systems all have to be set up monday |
| 19:39.59 | TheAsp | luminerd: ubuntu is mostly an idiot proof install |
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| 19:40.06 | barry | Wyzard: so then, I didn't set it up right... |
| 19:40.10 | jim | Mariele: oh, thanks :) |
| 19:40.14 | Mariele | :) |
| 19:40.21 | luminerd | websdale, well, I don't want simple necesarrily...DSL is pretty damn small...lol that wasn't planned |
| 19:40.22 | TheAsp | luminerd: and very setup to be used and admined with a gui |
| 19:40.24 | magyar | Octalthorpe: thx for info |
| 19:40.25 | dddss | how can i print on a windows shared printer? |
| 19:40.39 | Octalthorpe | magyar: Sorry I can't help more; I don't use SATA. |
| 19:40.43 | Thanatermesis | how to enable 3D acceleration in INTEL cards ¿? |
| 19:40.44 | cmihai | luminerd: and it's linux. What do you know. |
| 19:40.45 | Octalthorpe | dddss: With CUPS. |
| 19:40.46 | jim | that would be PDSL |
| 19:40.56 | TheAsp | Thanatermesis: by using google |
| 19:41.00 | luminerd | TheAsp, ok Ubuntu seems to be the way |
| 19:41.03 | dddss | Octalthorpe: ok cups on linux client? |
| 19:41.06 | Wyzard | barry: PostScript is a common format in which to generate print jobs in the Unix world, but if your printer doesn't support it, you'll need an intermediary (probably using GhostScript) to convert the job into a format the printer understands |
| 19:41.07 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, I have the xfree86 good configured... |
| 19:41.07 | Octalthorpe | Yep. |
| 19:41.12 | luminerd | cmihai, yea if it weren't I would not use it ;) |
| 19:41.21 | dddss | Octalthorpe: i do it but dowsnt print |
| 19:41.23 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: so you reran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and picked intel and answered yes to the perimission question? |
| 19:41.24 | Thanatermesis | Im need a posible libmesa* or similar with Im don't remember the name.... |
| 19:41.24 | Wyzard | barry: If your printer is listed in linuxprinting.org's database, the easiest way to configure it is using Foomatic |
| 19:41.33 | barry | Wyzard: I see...it's an HP DeskJet 810C |
| 19:41.35 | Octalthorpe | dddss: Then you didn't do it right... |
| 19:41.44 | Octalthorpe | ~tell dddss about cups setup |
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| 19:41.47 | Wyzard | barry: I don't have the database memorized... go look it up |
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| 19:42.13 | Mr-R | dddss: install smbclient too and use the smb-backend of cups |
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| 19:42.35 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: x-window-system depends on xlibmesa-gl |
| 19:42.43 | dddss | Mr-R: i ve smbclient |
| 19:42.50 | barry | Wyzard: It's there...thanks for the help |
| 19:42.50 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: so i dont get why you are *still* blaming a missing package.. |
| 19:42.51 | Wyzard | valdyn: That's part of the xorg transition |
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| 19:43.10 | valdyn | Wyzard: and xfree86 |
| 19:43.11 | Mr-R | dddss: or install the unix print daemon on the windows box... :) |
| 19:43.12 | dddss | Octalthorpe: they work on an hp psc 1310? |
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| 19:43.39 | igod | Hi all |
| 19:44.17 | igod | Anyone could say to me how can I compile kernel on debian sarge using installation configuration? |
| 19:44.38 | jim | what version is the instal kernel/ |
| 19:44.41 | jim | ? |
| 19:44.47 | Wyzard | igod: Install kernel-package and the kernel-source package for the version you want |
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| 19:44.58 | igod | I had apt-get kernel-package kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 19:45.09 | barry | ok, now I have another problem...When I try to print something from Firefox, at the end of the printing, Firefox closes, and the print isn't sent |
| 19:45.13 | pablum | !kp |
| 19:45.13 | dpkg | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 19:45.14 | Wyzard | igod: The config of your current kernel (assuming it's one of Debian's) can be found in /boot, alongside the vmlinuz and initrd files |
| 19:45.14 | resiak | igod: ls /boot/config* |
| 19:45.25 | GCS | Hi, when newraff (= ftp-master) is scheduled to come back? |
| 19:45.30 | igod | ok |
| 19:45.49 | jim | igod: have you built a kernel with make-kpkg before? |
| 19:45.52 | igod | I see config file...thanks all |
| 19:45.57 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: run 'glxinfo | grep direct', run the same as root ( using sux or sudo ) |
| 19:45.58 | Wyzard | igod: And if you compile your new kernel using make-kpkg, when you install it, it'll put its config file in /boot too, so you'll have it available later |
| 19:46.07 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: run 'glxinfo | grep -i direct', run the same as root ( using sux or sudo ) |
| 19:47.09 | valdyn | barry: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:47.10 | Thanatermesis | direct rendering: No |
| 19:47.21 | igod | I never compile a kernel in debian....but I had compile some years ago in slack |
| 19:47.22 | Thanatermesis | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 19:47.25 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: and as root? |
| 19:47.28 | Thanatermesis | yes |
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| 19:47.56 | Wyzard | igod: Follow the advice from that dpkg factoid to learn how to do it the make-kpkg way |
| 19:48.23 | Wyzard | igod: make-kpkg is a sort of frontend to the process you used before, which makes a .deb of the resulting compiled kernel, and provides some additional benefits |
| 19:48.43 | igod | where can I see doc for use make-kpkg? |
| 19:49.00 | jim | igod: out of curiousity, what will building this kernel give you? |
| 19:49.09 | Wyzard | igod: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (which was mentioned in the dpkg factoid) |
| 19:49.14 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: which driver did you select in 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' ? |
| 19:49.40 | Wyzard | igod: jim has a good point though... the precompiled kernel you're already using contains drivers (built as modules) for most things, so you probably don't need to build a custom kernel |
| 19:49.42 | Thanatermesis | i810 |
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| 19:49.49 | igod | I have a problem, my computer have 2Gb Ram, but kernel-2.6.8-i386 only detect 1Gb |
| 19:49.58 | Wyzard | igod: ah, highmem support, ok |
| 19:50.14 | barry | valdyn: sarge |
| 19:50.25 | igod | I install i686 version and detect 2Gb but, computer freeze with that |
| 19:50.33 | pablum | wouldn't i686 fix that? |
| 19:50.34 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 19:50.35 | pablum | oh |
| 19:50.37 | Wyzard | dunno about that |
| 19:50.41 | jim | what is your processor? |
| 19:50.56 | igod | PIV 2.4Ghz |
| 19:51.19 | PerfDave | igod: Perhaps you should be looking at why 2.6.8 -686 makes your computer freeze. |
| 19:51.40 | Mr-R | igod: without hyperthreading? |
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| 19:51.51 | igod | yes...without HT |
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| 19:52.07 | lobomufas | hi |
| 19:52.21 | SerajewelKS | is GTK# available on debian? `apt-cache search gtk sharp` shows nothing |
| 19:52.38 | jim | never heard of that |
| 19:52.41 | jim | what is it |
| 19:52.45 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: It's definitely available -- I have an app installed (Muine) which uses it -- but I don't know the package name offhand |
| 19:52.51 | valdyn | barry: apt-get install cupsys-bsd, and try the different printers you should see in firefox |
| 19:52.52 | mud | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/x-dev_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_all.deb |
| 19:52.52 | mud | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.59 | Wyzard | jim: .NET binding for GTK |
| 19:53.00 | lobomufas | gtk-sharp - Gtk# suite, CLI bindings for Gtk+ and GNOME |
| 19:53.06 | lobomufas | that's on sid |
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| 19:53.11 | igod | I will try to compile |
| 19:53.13 | mwilson | mud: yes, so? Use a different mirror. |
| 19:53.14 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Found it... libgtk2.0-cil |
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| 19:53.30 | mud | mwilson, tried i get same error |
| 19:53.34 | PerfDave | igod: Why do you think compiling will help, if you don't know why the Debian-provided kernel image makes your machine freeze? |
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| 19:53.40 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: i'd read the log, like 'grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log' or 'grep WW...' |
| 19:53.42 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, can't find that on etch |
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| 19:54.00 | mud | cant upgrade any x-org stuff |
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| 19:54.15 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Looks like it's only in sid |
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| 19:54.39 | mwilson | mud: So use another mirror. Since I have all the -4 packages downloaded, including that one, I know quite well that they're available. |
| 19:54.45 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, well that sucks =( |
| 19:54.48 | metaperl | i'm trying to compile something which requires automake 1.6 but my testing Debian only have 1.4... is there some way to get 1.6 while staying within the package system? |
| 19:54.52 | jim | pablum: settling down? to what? |
| 19:54.54 | mud | mwilson, okay thanks |
| 19:54.54 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: There's a tool or website somewhere which tells you why a given package isn't in testing yet, but I don't remember what it's called or where it's located |
| 19:54.55 | fortysixand2 | pablum: I don't think so... |
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| 19:55.08 | pablum | jim, to something I can risk updating... :) |
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| 19:55.31 | mwilson | metaperl: You mean other than by actually installing the 1.6 automake package? |
| 19:55.46 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: /msg apt simple sid backport |
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| 19:55.46 | metaperl | mwilson: no, I have Debian's standard automake |
| 19:55.48 | valdyn | metaperl: apt-cache search automake |
| 19:55.48 | BleSS | what MTA choose: exim or postfix? |
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| 19:55.53 | metaperl | but I want to more recent version |
| 19:55.58 | PerfDave | metaperl: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:56.01 | PerfDave | !info automake sid |
| 19:56.07 | PerfDave | metaperl: /msg apt simple sid backport |
| 19:56.15 | PerfDave | Oh, wait, dpkg is back :) |
| 19:56.16 | Thanatermesis | yes valdyn ... log: (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI |
| 19:56.16 | valdyn | !info automake1.6 sarge |
| 19:56.18 | dpkg | automake1.6: (A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles.), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.6.3-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 304 kB, Installed size: 1120 kB |
| 19:56.19 | igod | because i386 version works well |
| 19:56.19 | mwilson | metaperl: I'll ask you again... is there some reason you don't install the 1.6 automake package? |
| 19:56.32 | metaperl | oh, in this case it is very easy... I'm sorry. apt-cache shows several versions there... thanks |
| 19:56.36 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: lsmod | grep i810 |
| 19:56.38 | PerfDave | igod: Why do you think compiling will help, if you don't know why the Debian-provided kernel image makes your machine freeze? |
| 19:56.40 | igod | peraps its memory problem~ |
| 19:56.41 | metaperl | I figured the one I had was the mos trecent |
| 19:57.01 | mwilson | metaperl: You actually mean you didn't bother to look and weren't willing to be told, right? |
| 19:57.01 | SerajewelKS | !info libgtk2.0-cil |
| 19:57.06 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-cil: (CLI binding for the Gtk+ toolkit 2.0, unstable version), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.9.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 1652 kB |
| 19:57.06 | Thanatermesis | drm 56468 1 i810 |
| 19:57.15 | Thanatermesis | i810 20224 0 |
| 19:57.33 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: no need to beat metaperl over the head with it |
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| 19:58.06 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I'm sorry... it always burns me when people ask a question, yet can't be bothered to listen to the answer. |
| 19:58.16 | PerfDave | !tell igod -about msg |
| 19:58.28 | PerfDave | igod: Have you tried testing your system's memory, with something like memtest86? |
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| 19:59.03 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yeah, but there's no point in getting worked up about it... beating them over the head only hardens their skulls. |
| 19:59.18 | igod | uhmmm..I'l try that |
| 19:59.30 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: clueless, maybe your specific intel chipsets 3D isnt supported, maybe 'modprobe -r i810 && modprobe i810" can give a clue. |
| 19:59.37 | SerajewelKS | are there any mono IDEs in testing/unstable yet? |
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| 19:59.50 | viper_ | my pptpd errors out with this message pppd[2224]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." what can I do to fix this .. the chap-secrets file is in /etc and is ok |
| 19:59.56 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: linuxpicnic.org for rvsp.. damn the logo is soooo ugly.. jesus christ man.. i am gonna slap that bitch who designed it )= |
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| 20:00.07 | igod | !tell PerfDave memtest86 is a debian package? |
| 20:00.19 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: oh, maybe you need agpgart supported, 'lsmod | grep agp' |
| 20:00.34 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: monodevelop |
| 20:00.35 | igod | I find that. |
| 20:00.50 | igod | thanks all...I need to reboot to try memtest |
| 20:00.57 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, that's not in etch either =( |
| 20:01.01 | Wyzard | igod: btw, "!tell" is for invoking bot factoids, not talking to people |
| 20:01.08 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Probably none of Mono is, for some reason |
| 20:01.23 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, agpart 27688 3 intel_agp,drm |
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| 20:01.49 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, yes, i810 is suported, I have looked this in one knoppix, works 3D |
| 20:02.16 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: alright, looks good, i have no idea then. Knoppix might use xorg, that is one difference at least. |
| 20:02.22 | xiptos | Wyzard: didn't work... do you care to try in your system to execute a program? |
| 20:02.22 | fortysixand2 | my old Dell has an i810; runs fine with xorg |
| 20:02.25 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, a lot of mono is in testing |
| 20:02.40 | fortysixand2 | konppix uses xfree still |
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| 20:03.22 | xiptos | Wyzard: the archive is the following: http://oleg.wl500g.info/uClibc-0.9.19/hndtools-mipsel-uclibc-3.2.3-full.tar.bz2 |
| 20:03.55 | Thanatermesis | nooo, old knoppix runs with 3D in i810 ;) |
| 20:04.01 | Thanatermesis | no xorg, Im sure |
| 20:04.27 | Wyzard | xiptos: I thought you were trying to compile a kernel |
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| 20:05.00 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.17 | xiptos | Wyzard: I already did that. Rebooted into the new kernel and I tried to execute mipsel-uclinux-gcc: Permission denied |
| 20:05.24 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: Someone posted on debian-devel a few days ago that i810 wasn't working properly in sid, or something like that |
| 20:05.27 | fortysixand2 | jan_: I have the same issue :( |
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| 20:05.42 | xiptos | Wyzard: If you are running a 2.6.12 kernel, would you care to try it out? |
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| 20:06.05 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: The poster ended up getting banned from the list for being abusive, but the report is still valid |
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| 20:06.13 | Thanatermesis | humm... interessing Wyzard |
| 20:06.17 | jan_ | fortysixand2: hmm, i think i'm going to install all packages one by one |
| 20:06.21 | Wyzard | xiptos: From the filename, that software looks like it's for mipsel, and I'm on x86 |
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| 20:06.31 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: ls -l /dev/agpgart |
| 20:06.36 | Thanatermesis | abusive? o_O |
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| 20:06.47 | xiptos | Wyzard: It is a compiler running in a i386 to generate code for a mipsel |
| 20:06.48 | fortysixand2 | jan_: I dunno. If you are running sid, it seems to really be living up to its other name |
| 20:06.56 | xiptos | Wyzard: it runs fine with a 2.6.11 kernel. |
| 20:06.59 | Thanatermesis | sorry valdyn , in this moments Im launched a knoppix liveCD for try to look any diference ;) |
| 20:07.00 | fortysixand2 | more so than normal, anyway |
| 20:07.10 | resiak | WTF? Sid is unstable? That's never happened before!!1111 |
| 20:07.16 | luxifer | ok, here's another newbie question. With 'fdisk -l' I see the debian installer made hd5 for swap, but typing 'mount' doesn't show it in the list. It should be, right? |
| 20:07.17 | fortysixand2 | lol |
| 20:07.22 | xiptos | Wyzard: It is for rebuilding the firmware for an Asus WL500-g (Wireless AP) |
| 20:07.26 | fortysixand2 | good one resiak |
| 20:07.44 | valdyn | luxifer: you cannot mount swap partitions |
| 20:07.56 | xiptos | Wyzard: so that I can put Samba, SVN and a large disk in it... ;) |
| 20:07.56 | pablum | xiptos, 2.6.12 has a different abi, if I've interpreted the chicken entrails correctly. |
| 20:08.05 | Wyzard | xiptos: ah, ok |
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| 20:08.13 | mombof | xiptos, you aren't by anychance running a qube are you? |
| 20:08.34 | luxifer | valdyn - oh ... right ... so I should just assume it's being used for swap? |
| 20:08.45 | valdyn | luxifer: cat /proc/swaps |
| 20:08.55 | xiptos | pablum: abi? googling... |
| 20:08.57 | luxifer | there it is :) |
| 20:08.58 | luxifer | thanks |
| 20:09.19 | sadfgg | I can't install libapache-mod-php4, Depends: libmm11 but it is not installable, how can I get libmm11? |
| 20:09.27 | sadfgg | via apt |
| 20:09.39 | valdyn | sadfgg: why are you running sid? |
| 20:09.45 | pablum | xiptos, if you are running 2.6.12 it's because you have the new gcc abi installed. |
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| 20:09.59 | sadfgg | Valandil, Im not, I'm running stable sarge |
| 20:10.02 | Wyzard | pablum: That only affects C++ |
| 20:10.05 | xiptos | mombof: I gess I'm not... |
| 20:10.07 | pablum | ah |
| 20:10.14 | pablum | nevermind |
| 20:10.17 | mombof | kk |
| 20:10.18 | valdyn | !info libmm11 sarge |
| 20:10.20 | sadfgg | valdyn, Im not, I'm running stable sarge |
| 20:10.26 | sadfgg | Valandil, sorry |
| 20:10.38 | Valandil | sadfgg: no prob ;-) |
| 20:10.48 | xiptos | mombof: by the way, what is a qube? |
| 20:10.52 | valdyn | !depends libapache-mod-php4 sarge |
| 20:11.01 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, libzzip-0-12 (>= 0.12.83), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache-common (>= 1.3.33), php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-15), libmagic1 |
| 20:11.18 | mombof | http://www.aironaut.ch/qube |
| 20:11.24 | xiptos | pablum: I gess it has something to do with the kernel... |
| 20:11.41 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, knoppix: glxinfo: Yes, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI I810 20020221 |
| 20:11.57 | valdyn | sadfgg: i dont think libmm11 is in any debian. |
| 20:12.05 | xiptos | mombof: unfortunately, no... :) More into http://www.macsat.com/ |
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| 20:12.30 | mombof | it's super slow 250 mips but works good for simple serviuces |
| 20:12.40 | xiptos | pablum: without changing anything, rebooting into 2.6.11 it works fine. Only with 2.6.12 it doesn't |
| 20:12.46 | sadfgg | valdyn, php4 is dependent by libmm11 in stable sarge, I can't install it |
| 20:13.00 | xiptos | pablum: I also tried with gcc-3.3, 3.4 and 4 and it is the same thing... |
| 20:13.15 | valdyn | !rdepends libmm11 sarge |
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| 20:13.45 | valdyn | sadfgg: hardly, that package doesnt exist in debian and nothing depends on it. |
| 20:13.57 | valdyn | Wyzard: ah, good point. |
| 20:14.03 | pablum | xiptos, maybe running strace would help? |
| 20:14.15 | Wyzard | sadfgg: Maybe you're running an old version of php, from woody? |
| 20:14.18 | xiptos | mombof: The Asus has a simillar possibility and it is really cheap!!! |
| 20:14.22 | xiptos | pablum: checking... |
| 20:14.28 | valdyn | sadfgg: so you're trying to installing a woody package on a sarge system? |
| 20:14.39 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i found the why-is-it-still-unstable page |
| 20:14.45 | valdyn | !rdepends libmm11 woody |
| 20:14.53 | mombof | xiptos, i'm looking for something like it to replace it |
| 20:15.02 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: What's the URL? |
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| 20:15.19 | sadfgg | Wyzard, I running the latest stable php4 via apt from sarge |
| 20:15.22 | mombof | xiptos, thought about theose via embedded deals i'll check out asus |
| 20:15.35 | mombof | thx |
| 20:15.38 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk-sharp2-unstable.html links to http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gtk-sharp2-unstable |
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| 20:15.43 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, both are relevant |
| 20:15.48 | Wyzard | sadfgg: apt-cache policy php4 |
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| 20:16.09 | Dr_Melectaus | Ive got a bit of a problom and its getting rather annoying, i tried to install ut2k4 earlier on today and my laptop couldnt detect the disc (dvd version) i tried for a good while to get it to detect it but had no luck. So i resorted to copying the files onto a windows machine i have on my network, and copied them over from the windows machine to this laptop. i managed to get the installer running but now its asking for me to mount the play disc- w |
| 20:16.09 | Dr_Melectaus | hich it doesnt detect |
| 20:16.15 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 20:16.18 | xiptos | mombof: take a look at: http://www.macsat.com/ and http://www.unslung.org/ (for a Linksys alterntive). You'll like it!!! |
| 20:16.19 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, the packages.debian.org page for the package links there, FYI |
| 20:16.25 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: glide is for 3dfx chips only, libglut3 <- no idea. |
| 20:16.33 | mombof | sweet |
| 20:16.41 | oskie | firefox is very unstable in unstable. anyone concur? |
| 20:16.44 | xiptos | pablum: I don't understand much about strace, but it fails in execve... |
| 20:17.00 | Thanatermesis | humm, Wyzard the i810 post is only for SID ? in testing works good ? |
| 20:17.17 | sadfgg | Wyzard, I still can't install libapache-mod-php4, libmm11 is required, what should I od |
| 20:17.17 | xiptos | pablum: -1 EACCESS (Permission denied) |
| 20:17.19 | sadfgg | do* |
| 20:17.20 | Dr_Melectaus | Anyone? |
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| 20:17.26 | Dr_Melectaus | im running ubuntu |
| 20:17.27 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: I think so, but I'm not sure... I don't use testing and don't have an i810 so I didn't read it very carefully |
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| 20:17.39 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, /dev/agpgart = crw-rw---- |
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| 20:17.49 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: also fine. |
| 20:17.54 | Dr_Melectaus | Ive got a bit of a problom and its getting rather annoying, i tried to install ut2k4 earlier on today and my laptop couldnt detect the disc (dvd version) i tried for a good while to get it to detect it but had no luck. So i resorted to copying the files onto a windows machine i have on my network, and copied them over from the windows machine to this laptop. i managed to get the installer running but now its asking for me to mount the play disc- w |
| 20:17.54 | Dr_Melectaus | hich it doesnt detect |
| 20:17.58 | Dr_Melectaus | oops |
| 20:18.05 | Dr_Melectaus | didnt mean to double type |
| 20:18.16 | Dr_Melectaus | hit up the wrong amount of times |
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| 20:18.36 | Dragon-Eater | !man help |
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| 20:18.43 | Wyzard | sadfgg: apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php4 |
| 20:18.54 | Dragon-Eater | anyone knows the man list? |
| 20:18.59 | Dragon-Eater | the adresss |
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| 20:19.37 | matze | Host/Kernel/OS "Linuxrechner" running Linux 2.4.27-2-386 i686 [ Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 ] |
| 20:19.37 | matze | CPU Info AMD Sempron 2300+ clocked at [1582.820 Mhz] 3158.83 Bogomips |
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| 20:19.54 | dondelelcaro | Dragon-Eater: the list of manpages? |
| 20:19.58 | Dragon-Eater | yep |
| 20:21.13 | dondelelcaro | Dragon-Eater: find /usr/share/man/ -type f; |
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| 20:21.26 | Dragon-Eater | no i mean the list of dpkg |
| 20:21.35 | Dragon-Eater | u know when u type !man debian |
| 20:21.43 | Dragon-Eater | there was a page where it all were on |
| 20:21.50 | dondelelcaro | Dragon-Eater: uh, that would be a list of dpkg factoids; and no, there isn't such a page. |
| 20:22.04 | Dragon-Eater | there was one... |
| 20:22.04 | dondelelcaro | Dragon-Eater: you can look at them by /msg dpkg your factoids; |
| 20:22.06 | pablum | Dragon-Eater, try 'xman' (if it's installed) |
| 20:22.12 | tyler7 | anyone so bored they'd assist a newbie? |
| 20:22.17 | dondelelcaro | tyler7: just ask your question |
| 20:22.23 | Dragon-Eater | its a bot related question, not debian based... |
| 20:22.29 | Thanatermesis | WTF ¿?¿?¿? kenrel panic - not syncing: VFS:Unable to mount root fs on unknown-bock(3.8) |
| 20:22.32 | Thanatermesis | yak !!!!!! |
| 20:22.50 | Dragon-Eater | most likely going to be a reinstall Thanatermesis :p |
| 20:22.55 | Thanatermesis | hehehe |
| 20:23.01 | Thanatermesis | Im in tests |
| 20:23.13 | dondelelcaro | um, no... that just means that you were unamble to mount the root fileystem |
| 20:23.19 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: Did you compile a custom kernel or something? |
| 20:23.21 | dondelelcaro | not really a big deal |
| 20:23.25 | Thanatermesis | grrrrr, 3.8 ? = hdc7 ? |
| 20:23.33 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: 9 |
| 20:23.33 | sadfgg | Wyzard, I have deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./ in my sources.list but it require libmm11, the sources is not the problem |
| 20:23.38 | Thanatermesis | oh, yes |
| 20:23.43 | dondelelcaro | and probably hdd9, iirc. |
| 20:24.01 | ikke_005 | is debian good for a desktop? |
| 20:24.03 | Thanatermesis | 3º disk ? o_O mmmh, Im try to look and repair this strange grub call :/ |
| 20:24.10 | dan2_ | ikke_005: I'd try ubuntu ;) |
| 20:24.12 | dondelelcaro | ikke_005: this is #debian; we clearly think so. |
| 20:24.14 | Dragon-Eater | ikke_005 i prefer using it for servers... |
| 20:24.23 | SerajewelKS | have i mentioned how frelling cool debian is? |
| 20:24.24 | sadfgg | Wyzard, apt-cache policy libmm11 gives zero hits |
| 20:24.41 | Dragon-Eater | dondelelcaro wel doesnt mean we have to give a channel depending opinion... |
| 20:24.54 | valdyn | sadfgg: apt-cache show libapache-blah ( whatever it was you tried to install ) |
| 20:25.02 | valdyn | sadfgg: and copy&paste the version |
| 20:25.04 | Dragon-Eater | i would say, debian great for servers. Have no clue for desktop. |
| 20:25.45 | Wyzard | sadfgg: It sounds like you're saying you're trying to install an unofficial third-party PHP package which doesn't work in sarge |
| 20:25.53 | SerajewelKS | Dragon-Eater, desktop debian takes a bit of work to set up, but once it's there it kicks Windows' butt |
| 20:26.01 | ikke_005 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.02 | ikke_005 | Babel Fish Translation Help |
| 20:26.02 | ikke_005 | In English: |
| 20:26.02 | ikke_005 | and what is one of the better linux version for desktop? |
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| 20:26.47 | Dragon-Eater | i believe that SerajewelKS |
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| 20:26.55 | PerfDave | Debian doesn't take much work to set up really, just select the Desktop Environment task during install ;) |
| 20:26.55 | Dragon-Eater | wind0ws s8cks |
| 20:26.55 | dondelelcaro | ikke_005: read /topic and don't paste here. |
| 20:27.10 | ikke_005 | jup |
| 20:27.13 | valdyn | ikke_005: which would be your preferred language? |
| 20:27.41 | SerajewelKS | Dragon-Eater, i have everything i need (and more) right here... only reason i still have XP for for games :S |
| 20:27.44 | sadfgg | Wyzard, ok, pls have a look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/Lv9vjG71.html |
| 20:27.48 | Wyzard | ikke_005: Ubuntu (which is based on Debian) is aimed more specifically at desktops, so it takes less work to get one set up... you might want to try that |
| 20:27.56 | tyler7 | i'm trying to install debian on my toshiba portege. i successfully created the bootdisks and get as far as the installer scanning the cdrom for the install disk but consistantly get a "There was a problem reading data from the CDROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your cdrom." I've burned like 10 times as ISSO 9660 and I'm not mounting the image. Using very nice |
| 20:27.56 | tyler7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.21 | dondelelcaro | tyler7: have you checked the md5sums of the images before and after you've burned them? |
| 20:28.27 | sadfgg | Wyzard, My sources is fine and I'm running stable sarge (3.1r0a) |
| 20:28.40 | Dragon-Eater | SerajewelKS most games can already be compiled to work under LINUX.... |
| 20:28.52 | Dragon-Eater | how u should ask someone smarter then me. |
| 20:28.58 | deadcat | i've seen ubuntu sucked on a desktop install.. X was shitty and the monitor was making sound |
| 20:29.01 | Dragon-Eater | i only use debian for servers as stated before. |
| 20:29.03 | SerajewelKS | Dragon-Eater, except for the ones that can't be compiled, because they're not open-source... |
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| 20:29.17 | Wyzard | deadcat: That sounds like a problem with the monitor, not with Ubuntu |
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| 20:29.28 | dondelelcaro | ugh. Take the ubuntu discussion elsewhere, please. |
| 20:29.39 | Wyzard | deadcat: Maybe misreporting its sync frequences so X tried to overdrive it or something |
| 20:29.40 | fortysixand2 | like maybe #ubuntu? |
| 20:29.41 | tyler7 | ler7: have you checked the md5sums of the images before and after you've burned them? |
| 20:29.41 | tyler7 | how do i do that? |
| 20:29.41 | Dragon-Eater | SerajewelKS u also have programs to get dlls and exes to work... but thats out of my reach. |
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| 20:29.50 | deadcat | Wyzard: works fine on knanotix |
| 20:29.51 | SerajewelKS | i wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft was pushing DirectX to game developers over SDL+OpenGL to keep people on Windows -- it worked on me, sadly |
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| 20:30.01 | ikke_005 | what's one of the best linux version for a desktop? |
| 20:30.03 | Dragon-Eater | say hello to my b0t |
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| 20:30.10 | Dragon-Eater | !say Hello to all. |
| 20:30.10 | DE-Bot | Hello to all. |
| 20:30.12 | dpkg | Hello to all. |
| 20:30.13 | SerajewelKS | Dragon-Eater, cedega is still incompatible with a lot of games |
| 20:30.16 | Wyzard | sadfgg: Have you done "apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php4" yet? |
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| 20:30.18 | sadfgg | Wyzard, apt-cache show libapache-mod-php4: Version: 4:4.3.10-15 |
| 20:30.22 | deadcat | Wyzard: i tried dpkg-reco... it was till stuck at 800x600. the monitor is GOOD enough for better reso. console worked fine. |
| 20:30.24 | fortysixand2 | ikke_005: ask that to 5 people, get 6 answers |
| 20:30.30 | valdyn | ikke_005: wrong channel, try #linux, and beside that, its to much a matter of taste. |
| 20:30.34 | Dragon-Eater | why dondelelcaro? |
| 20:30.42 | SerajewelKS | ikke_005, fedora is widely-used and stable, but lots of linux geeks don't like it |
| 20:30.48 | resiak | SerajewelKS: No, it's not |
| 20:30.49 | Dragon-Eater | SerajewelKS i assume u know more of it |
| 20:30.52 | dondelelcaro | Dragon-Eater: read the channel FAQ. Unapproved bots do not belong here. |
| 20:30.53 | Dragon-Eater | !manpage |
| 20:30.57 | Dragon-Eater | :/ |
| 20:31.01 | Wyzard | deadcat: Dunno about that, then... I've installed it on three systems, two of which were laptops, and didn't see any problems |
| 20:31.04 | wild2283 | ikke_005: that's not a very intelligent question to ask in #debian ... |
| 20:31.06 | resiak | SerajewelKS: (Stable, that is.) |
| 20:31.11 | PerfDave | ikke_005: Asking on #debian is likely to get you the answer "Debian". I don't know if it's the best distro for a desktop, but it's the one I use, and the best one I've seen. |
| 20:31.17 | tyler7 | ler7: have you checked the md5sums of the images before and after you've burned them? |
| 20:31.17 | tyler7 | how do i do that dondelelcaro? |
| 20:31.21 | dondelelcaro | tyler7: with md5sum fooimage.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom of=temp; md5sum temp; |
| 20:31.24 | dondelelcaro | tyler7: you don't need to repeat. |
| 20:31.36 | sadfgg | Wyzard, apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php4:http://rafb.net/paste/results/j78Hya24.html |
| 20:31.37 | Dragon-Eater | !help |
| 20:31.46 | tyler7 | wasn't sure if you saw the post..new to this. thank you |
| 20:31.53 | SerajewelKS | ikke_005, IMHO, fedora is a good starting point, debian is good if you don't mind spending a while setting up X *properly*, and slackware sucks. but you're in #debian so you're going to get biased answers here (more biased than in #linux anyway) |
| 20:32.06 | deadcat | Wyzard: ubuntu is also crappy at detecting ISA hardware modems.. i know they work on redhat. |
| 20:32.09 | sadfgg | Wyzard, and my sources is: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Lv9vjG71.html |
| 20:32.10 | Thanatermesis | hummm... in the boot (kernel messages) valdyn: [drm:drm_fill_in_dev] *ERROR Cannot initialize the agpgart module. |
| 20:32.18 | Thanatermesis | DRM: Fill_in_dev failed |
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| 20:32.28 | Wyzard | sadfgg: OK, so it does look like you're installing the proper sarge version of that |
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| 20:32.58 | SerajewelKS | ikke_005, if you're going to start on fedora, learn GNU linux utilities quick and switch to debian; redhat's package system is beans to debian's |
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| 20:33.13 | Borg^Queen | I'm experiencing the following odd behavior. I'm using the "MAC" toolbar at the top of the desktop, and that sometimes goes blank when using none kde apps. Sometimes the right click desktop menu dosn't work. sometimes kicker locks up. What could be causing those problems (KDE Ver 3.3 - Debian Sarge |
| 20:33.19 | Wyzard | sadfgg: No, I'm sorry, I mis-read... you're actually installing the unofficial version, which has a higher version number at the same priority |
| 20:33.48 | sadfgg | Wyzard, the unofficial version of libapache-mod-php4? |
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| 20:33.56 | Wyzard | sadfgg: "apt-cache show libapache-mod-php4" shows info on both available versions, but the first one probably scrolled off your screen, so you only saw the second one (4:4.3.10-15) |
| 20:33.58 | Wyzard | sadfgg: yes |
| 20:34.23 | SerajewelKS | ikke_005, but debian lacks a lot of the fancy GUI config tools that redhat does (e.g. services configuration) so if you use debian, get used to editing text files |
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| 20:34.41 | SerajewelKS | ikke_005, but in my experience, redhat's tools crash a lot |
| 20:34.47 | Wyzard | sadfgg: According to the comment in your sources.list, that unofficial package is there because it has PHP5 packages... if you're installing PHP4, just take that unofficial source out of your list |
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| 20:35.07 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS, ikke_005: Uhm, I've never needed to edit a config file on a Debian desktop, only on a server. |
| 20:35.17 | Borg^Queen | anyone? |
| 20:35.18 | paster | "deadcat" at 66.245.217.235 pasted "blah" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/388 |
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| 20:35.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/388 |
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| 20:36.08 | weisserRiese | hi folks |
| 20:36.09 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, probably because you don't have dual monitors |
| 20:36.13 | fortysixand2 | hi |
| 20:36.15 | sadfgg | Wyzard, libapache-mod-php4: Depends: php4-common |
| 20:36.18 | Borg^Queen | hello |
| 20:36.28 | sadfgg | Wyzard, =), well you solved my problem |
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| 20:36.59 | Borg^Queen | Hello people. I'm experiencing the following odd behavior. I'm using the "MAC" toolbar at the top of the desktop, and that sometimes goes blank when using none kde apps. Sometimes the right click desktop menu dosn't work. sometimes kicker locks up. What could be causing those problems (KDE Ver 3.3 - Debian Sarge |
| 20:37.12 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Nope, most desktops don't. And most people with dual monitors are more geeky :) |
| 20:37.14 | fortysixand2 | MAC toolbar? |
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| 20:37.24 | Borg^Queen | The Common Toolbar |
| 20:37.33 | resiak | !tell Borg^Queen -about repeat |
| 20:37.36 | SerajewelKS | fortysixand2, he means the desktop menu |
| 20:37.41 | fortysixand2 | oh |
| 20:37.42 | sadfgg | Wyzard, done =) |
| 20:37.47 | mwilson | Dual monitors is the only way to go. :) |
| 20:37.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh |
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| 20:37.52 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it could be worse, I guess... |
| 20:37.54 | sadfgg | Wyzard, thank you for taking your time =) |
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| 20:37.59 | Borg^Queen | resiak: those msg have been blocked out, so don't bother |
| 20:38.02 | Wyzard | sadfgg: np, you're welcome |
| 20:38.10 | mwilson | Actually, dual LCD's is the only way to go. ^_^ |
| 20:38.10 | linuxuser | sup there brot man |
| 20:38.14 | resiak | Borg^Queen: Why, you fool? |
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| 20:38.26 | sadfgg | Wyzard, and your'e carma raises +3 lvl |
| 20:38.28 | Borg^Queen | Because I'm not actually repeating fool |
| 20:38.30 | Thanatermesis | Wyzard, you have looked my message from the boot ? |
| 20:38.31 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i just think its damn ugly... |
| 20:38.42 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's ok... you can always use the T-shirt for rags |
| 20:38.47 | linuxuser | went back to ubuntu |
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| 20:38.58 | Borg^Queen | In any case. has anyone experienced this problems? |
| 20:39.02 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: I use nvidia, so I've never had to fiddle with DRM |
| 20:39.02 | dondelelcaro | Borg^Queen: if no one answers, it's usually because they don't know... try asking again later rather than repeating. |
| 20:39.13 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 20:39.19 | linuxuser | whats the prob borg? |
| 20:39.19 | resiak | Borg^Queen: Yes, you are. You said exactly the same thing twice. |
| 20:39.24 | resiak | linuxuser: Scroll up. |
| 20:39.33 | linuxuser | i just got here bitch |
| 20:39.43 | Borg^Queen | linuxuser: odd thing; The common bar locks up, sometimes kicker locks up. |
| 20:39.57 | Borg^Queen | Sometimes the desktop right click menu fails |
| 20:40.01 | SerajewelKS | Borg^Queen, how long has it been since you've done a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:40.02 | Borg^Queen | On KDE |
| 20:40.15 | linuxuser | sounds like inadequate resources to me |
| 20:40.17 | Borg^Queen | SerajewelKS: 2 mins ago |
| 20:40.21 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: this is sarge. |
| 20:40.37 | Borg^Queen | Yes Sarge |
| 20:40.47 | mwilson | I have to ask... I just have to. Define "resources" in this context, please. |
| 20:40.47 | dondelelcaro | Borg^Queen: have you checked to see what the toolbar process is actually doing? Can you attach strace to it and see what is happening? |
| 20:40.56 | Borg^Queen | Nope |
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| 20:41.11 | ChristophorusX | Hello everyone |
| 20:41.12 | Borg^Queen | there doesn't seem to be one |
| 20:41.15 | Borg^Queen | hi |
| 20:41.24 | sadfgg | Wyzard, What about php5 that require libmm11, that is not even avalible in debian |
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| 20:41.43 | jcarr | sigh.. why is it such a task to get a printer working in linux? |
| 20:41.44 | mwilson | PHP5 isn't in Debian either, hence there's no problem. |
| 20:41.45 | dondelelcaro | Borg^Queen: well, something is drawing the toolbar. Not being familiar with KDE myself, you'll have to figure out what it is on your own. |
| 20:41.49 | dondelelcaro | jcarr: it's not that difficult. |
| 20:41.49 | mwilson | jcarr: It's not. |
| 20:42.03 | jcarr | it's taxing, and it still won't work |
| 20:42.05 | Wyzard | sadfgg: Whoever made those packages needs to fix them |
| 20:42.06 | Borg^Queen | this also happens in gnome |
| 20:42.09 | magyar | is is there a more "up2date hardware" flavour based on debian? |
| 20:42.11 | jcarr | it's just a plain usb printer :( |
| 20:42.11 | Borg^Queen | so its not limited to a GUI |
| 20:42.13 | mwilson | jcarr: The *printer* may make it difficult, if it's some obscure thing, but *printing* is easy. |
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| 20:42.37 | jcarr | it's just a Lexmark z25 I bought last year |
| 20:42.42 | mwilson | jcarr: There's no such thing as a "plain" USB printer. |
| 20:42.47 | jcarr | I just want it to work without any bullshit :( |
| 20:42.48 | Borg^Queen | jcarr: what problems are you having? |
| 20:42.51 | resiak | mwilson: Or in fact if it's any of a large number of common printers, such as everything Lexmark ever made. |
| 20:42.52 | dondelelcaro | Borg^Queen: no, it's limited to whatever is running MAC or whatever it is that's dying; figure out what that is to start with. |
| 20:42.57 | linuxuser | borg what kind of graphics card are you using |
| 20:43.07 | Borg^Queen | Nvidia |
| 20:43.07 | resiak | !tell linuxuser -about nicktab |
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| 20:43.22 | jcarr | Borg^Queen, well, I just can't seem to get it to be detected? |
| 20:43.27 | jcarr | I just want to use it |
| 20:43.31 | sadfgg | Wyzard, yes, this is a known problem long time back, hope the fix it as soon as possible |
| 20:43.36 | jcarr | you know, to print stuff |
| 20:43.37 | Borg^Queen | jcarr: make model of printer? |
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| 20:43.44 | jcarr | Lexmark z25 |
| 20:43.47 | Borg^Queen | Ah |
| 20:43.51 | mwilson | resiak: Nah, Lexmark has sold several bone-standard postscript inkjets. |
| 20:43.59 | Borg^Queen | Lexmarks are barely compatible. |
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| 20:44.11 | jcarr | I had a feeling you'd say that |
| 20:44.13 | jcarr | :( |
| 20:44.15 | resiak | mwilson: Meh, I've never seen someone get a "consumer" Lexmark to work. |
| 20:44.26 | Borg^Queen | jcarr: in a browser open this http:/localhost:631 |
| 20:44.28 | mwilson | The Z25 was that one that used some odd-ball control language. |
| 20:44.36 | Borg^Queen | http://localhost:631 |
| 20:44.38 | Borg^Queen | That |
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| 20:44.42 | fortysixand2 | at my last job, they replaced all the HP's with Lexmarks |
| 20:44.44 | mwilson | Wyzard: Never met an HP Deskjet 1200? A 1600? A 2500? |
| 20:44.49 | fortysixand2 | we wanted to kill whoever did it |
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| 20:44.52 | Wyzard | mwilson: nope |
| 20:44.56 | jcarr | Borg^Queen, I get a screen :) |
| 20:44.58 | jcarr | for cups |
| 20:44.58 | mwilson | Wyzard: A Business Inkket 2280? etc etc etc |
| 20:45.00 | jcarr | now whay? |
| 20:45.02 | jcarr | 8what |
| 20:45.07 | dondelelcaro | jcarr: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4252.html |
| 20:45.15 | Wyzard | mwilson: Didn't realize they were so common |
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| 20:46.03 | emRick | what is a recommended newsreading for binary newsgroups |
| 20:46.15 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:46.18 | PerfDave | emRick: alt.sex.fetish.oriental |
| 20:46.20 | abrotman | wrong channel .... by a long shot |
| 20:46.23 | sadfgg | Wyzard, they have changed .deb: deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 20:46.23 | sadfgg | deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all and php5 will be installed |
| 20:46.23 | linuxuser | emrick pan |
| 20:46.30 | sadfgg | Wyzard, just so you know |
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| 20:46.42 | emRick | sorry, what is a recommended _newsreader_ for reading binary newsgroups |
| 20:46.58 | linuxuser | pan |
| 20:47.12 | pablum | slrn |
| 20:47.33 | mwilson | You don't read binary newsgroups. |
| 20:47.37 | pablum | I think mutt reads newsfroups, too. |
| 20:47.37 | mwilson | You download warez from them. |
| 20:47.48 | SerajewelKS | thunderbird? |
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| 20:48.03 | mwilson | Hence, you use something like brag, or nget, or one of the other binary downloaders. |
| 20:48.17 | linuxuser | alt.binaries.warez.linux |
| 20:48.22 | mwilson | Downloading from a binary group with something like slrn is an exercise in pain. |
| 20:48.48 | luxifer | anyone here who has experience with the cmd680/si680/pci0680 ?? |
| 20:48.52 | linuxuser | movies tooo hehe |
| 20:49.08 | shingouz | linuxuser: hush ;) |
| 20:49.17 | linuxuser | nyuk nyuk |
| 20:49.39 | pablum | s/pain/tedium/ |
| 20:49.41 | G2 | anyone good with samba? none chating int eh samba channel |
| 20:50.07 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying a backport of monodevelop, and it complains on `apt-get build-dep monodevelop` "E: Build-Depends-Indep dependency for monodevelop cannot be satisfied because the package boo cannot be found" -- i thought it would get packages from unstable as it needed them? do i have to manually backport boo before i can backport monodevelop? |
| 20:50.09 | pablum | G2, they're all busy making a bk clone :) |
| 20:50.10 | linuxuser | samba server, client |
| 20:50.40 | shingouz | G2: just ask, don't try that "ahyone good with" stuff. just ask |
| 20:51.04 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: "-t unstable" ? |
| 20:51.28 | emRick | looks like pan is getting the best recommendation from the newsgroups. |
| 20:51.28 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, same error |
| 20:51.29 | linuxuser | hey it took him twelve hours to translate that question into english hehe |
| 20:51.34 | SerajewelKS | !tell G2 about ask to ask |
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| 20:52.17 | SerajewelKS | seems odd that it can find monodevelop in unstable, but not boo, unless i specifically ask it to build the deps for boo |
| 20:52.36 | SerajewelKS | (also seems odd that i need boo for C#...) |
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| 20:53.20 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Monodevelop supports more languages than C#... including, probably, Boo |
| 20:53.39 | jak_ | good evening everybody. is there an easy and fast alternative for using mplayer (secret mirror for binary packages or something like that)? THX |
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| 20:53.44 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i know that... i'm surprised that monodevelop isn't modular in its language support |
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| 20:53.53 | Wyzard | !tell jak about marillat |
| 20:54.18 | SerajewelKS | at least it's not debian-packaged for modular languages |
| 20:54.23 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: It's only version 0.7 :-) |
| 20:54.26 | peterS | pablum: ha |
| 20:54.37 | simonrvn | boo re mi fa sol la si do |
| 20:54.39 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 20:54.51 | jak_ | Wyzard: thanks :) |
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| 20:55.13 | peterS | pablum: Dâ™ |
| 20:55.20 | pablum | ack |
| 20:55.32 | liquid_ | who want to help me create a high systemload? |
| 20:55.44 | Wyzard | liquid_: yes > /dev/null |
| 20:55.49 | liquid_ | please surf to www.myflavour.nl and refresh as long as you want to .. thanks |
| 20:55.55 | peterS | pablum: perl 6 has non-ascii characters in its syntax. why can't language names? |
| 20:56.01 | G2 | SerajewelKS: sorry forgot. Setting up a samba pdc and want to know where "ldap ssl = start_tls" looks for the tls certs. I need to confirm that it's set in /etc/ldap.conf |
| 20:56.02 | liquid_ | I need to see what happens when apache hits 90 |
| 20:56.05 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, eclipse supports language plugins and it's only version... 3... *cough* nevermind |
| 20:56.21 | pablum | PerfDave, what character set is the penultimate one in? |
| 20:56.35 | fortysixand2 | liquid_: why not write a bash script to do recursive wgets? |
| 20:56.41 | pablum | peterS, maybe that's why :) |
| 20:56.43 | SerajewelKS | G2, `man ldap.conf` |
| 20:56.57 | pablum | oops... s/PerfDave/peterS/ |
| 20:57.10 | pablum | stupid client. |
| 20:57.15 | liquid_ | fortysixand2 I'm not much of a scripter :/ |
| 20:57.25 | liquid_ | but it's a good start forcemaster |
| 20:57.28 | liquid_ | err fortysixand2 |
| 20:57.34 | resiak | SerajewelKS: Eclipse dies when saving Perl scripts for me. It is clearly shite. |
| 20:57.38 | peterS | pablum: there is always the character set problem. utf-8 will win in the end, though that still doesn't answer the normalisation form |
| 20:57.58 | resiak | Wyzard: # is not a damned pound sign! |
| 20:58.08 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah, C♯ |
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| 20:58.13 | oskie | why is firefox 1.0.6 constantly crashing? |
| 20:58.14 | resiak | peterS: NICE |
| 20:58.15 | Kven | Is there 3d modeling software for linux? Preferrably that can export into .asc? |
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| 20:58.54 | Blissex | Kven: quite a lot of that, no idea about '.asc', but there is at least one ''universal'' 3D file conversion utility. |
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| 20:59.03 | SerajewelKS | resiak, IMHO using eclipse for Perl is overkill... |
| 20:59.08 | peterS | resiak: you too can type arbitrary chars with the amazing u8echo. "/exec -o u8echo Wyzard: yeah, CU+266F" - http://p12n.org/hacks/u8echo |
| 20:59.12 | Blissex | Kven: just do a search on SourceForge.net or 'apt-cache search modeler' |
| 20:59.26 | Wyzard | resiak: Sorry, U+0023 NUMBER SIGN, but "pound sign" is a recognized alias... anyway, peterS wrote it correctly :-) |
| 20:59.34 | paster | "fortysixand2" at 68.97.220.140 pasted "script" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/389 |
| 20:59.40 | SerajewelKS | Kven, kpovmodeler is OK if you're doing pre-rendered stuff |
| 20:59.50 | fortysixand2 | liquid_: check that out |
| 20:59.54 | Thanatermesis | humm... Wyzard , its a problem of the 2.6.11 kernels, http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0503.1/2135.html , have the same message... mmmh, its posible to repair this for a new recent version of the same kernel or need to change to another version of the kernel ? |
| 20:59.58 | peterS | then again, most people probably just use a character browser applet like gucharmap |
| 20:59.59 | Kven | Kay, I'll try that |
| 21:00.17 | fortysixand2 | just uncomment the line in the loop |
| 21:00.23 | fortysixand2 | ctrl + c to break out |
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| 21:00.32 | liquid_ | I am awesome! I remembered my forgotten Cisco 3550 password! WOOHOO! |
| 21:00.37 | liquid_ | after 3 months :/ |
| 21:00.54 | Wyzard | resiak: I've always wondered where that "pound sign" term came from, since it's clearly different from '£' |
| 21:01.02 | liquid_ | fortysixand2 check what out? |
| 21:01.09 | fortysixand2 | what I pasted |
| 21:01.09 | resiak | Wyzard: So have I. I have never seen # used in a quid or in a lb context. |
| 21:01.11 | pablum | peterS, I'm getting irssi now because of several issues, including char sets... |
| 21:01.21 | fortysixand2 | liquid_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/389 |
| 21:01.26 | peterS | Wyzard: it's used for pounds as weight, sometimes |
| 21:01.41 | simonrvn | 123# |
| 21:01.44 | linuxuser | how do i open a bottle of budweiser select |
| 21:01.47 | Wyzard | ah |
| 21:01.59 | peterS | linuxuser: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:02.02 | jak_ | any recommentions for getting a nice gui for mplayer? |
| 21:02.06 | peterS | linuxuser: it won't actually help you open the bottle, but it's useful for other things |
| 21:02.08 | resiak | Wyzard: Actually, I lie. I use # as £ since I haven't got round to finding a UK Dvorak Xkb map and I find it amusing. |
| 21:02.11 | simonrvn | gmplayer |
| 21:02.15 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 21:02.36 | SerajewelKS | i've heard # called the number sign, pound sign, hash, sharp... |
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| 21:02.48 | simonrvn | octothorpe |
| 21:02.49 | SerajewelKS | personally i call it the tic-tac-toe sign |
| 21:02.49 | peterS | SerajewelKS: and octalthorpe |
| 21:02.51 | fortysixand2 | it's an octothorpe |
| 21:02.52 | liquid_ | fortysixand2 should I be uncommenting the dash before the "wget"? |
| 21:02.55 | peterS | octothorpe? |
| 21:02.57 | peterS | maybe |
| 21:02.57 | jak_ | simonrvn: thx |
| 21:03.00 | Wyzard | resiak: I switched to dvorak once, then realized that I could no longer type effectively on qwerty, and I needed to be able to do that, so I switched back |
| 21:03.02 | fortysixand2 | liquid_: yes |
| 21:03.10 | fortysixand2 | I just did that on accident |
| 21:03.13 | peterS | SerajewelKS: crosshatch |
| 21:03.13 | SerajewelKS | i've heard octothorpe too, but not enough that i remember it all the time |
| 21:03.16 | resiak | Wyzard: I just alter the computers that I have to use, or hunt-and-peck. |
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| 21:03.31 | simonrvn | oh, 'octal-'? |
| 21:03.35 | fortysixand2 | it was an extra credit question in one of my M.S. classes |
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| 21:03.44 | peterS | simonrvn: I'm not sure actually |
| 21:03.46 | fatal__ | Wyzard: I jump back and forward all the time..... though I never learned to type effectively on qwerty anyway for all those years I used only qwerty. :/ |
| 21:03.47 | simonrvn | meh |
| 21:03.50 | resiak | peterS: How do you remember the codepoints ? |
| 21:03.53 | simonrvn | @dict octothorpe |
| 21:03.55 | ravenbird | i could not get info from dict.org 'error: connect: Connection refused at /home/ravenbird/blootbot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. |
| 21:04.01 | peterS | resiak: I don't, I grep them in /usr/share/unidata/UnicodeData-4.0.1d1b.txt |
| 21:04.02 | Wyzard | resiak: Well, I did on-campus tech support at college, so I needed to be able to type on random students' computers |
| 21:04.04 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 21:04.11 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i use qwerty and some 18-finger method that i developed myself... probably not the best but it works for programming |
| 21:04.13 | peterS | resiak: only a few codepoints I use often enough to remember |
| 21:04.22 | linuxuser | hmmm golf on tv, and linux chat on pc, decisions decisions |
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| 21:04.49 | Ronin | golf if you want to sleep |
| 21:04.49 | resiak | Wyzard: And I'm doing sysadmin stuff and just hunt-and-peck :) |
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| 21:04.55 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you have 18 fingers? that would rock |
| 21:04.57 | jak_ | simonrvn: do you know if there is a package for gmplayer? another secret mirror maybe? or am i missing something? |
| 21:05.06 | resiak | peterS: _Ace_. |
| 21:05.12 | simonrvn | jak_: use your tab key |
| 21:05.15 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 21:05.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 21:05.39 | deadcat | i need the gpg key for mplayer (ppc) so apt-get wont complain |
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| 21:05.48 | peterS | resiak: truth be told, I only found /usr/share/unidata/ a couple days ago. before that I had a /var/tmp/UnicodeData.txt I had downloaded from unicode.org |
| 21:05.57 | SerajewelKS | a 20-finger qwerty touch-typist could type "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" faster than me, but i could type "int strlen(const char *c) { int i = 0; while (*(c++) != '\0') i++; return i; }" faster than him |
| 21:05.58 | mwilson | deadcat: No, you need to actually READ marillat's page. |
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| 21:06.04 | abrotman | peterS: GET UP |
| 21:06.06 | peterS | resiak: imagine my surprise, when I thought about moving it to /usr/share for safekeeping, to discover that a copy was already there |
| 21:06.13 | deadcat | mwilson: i read it for x86. that work on ppc too? |
| 21:06.16 | resiak | peterS: Heheh |
| 21:06.17 | peterS | abrotman: hehehe. thanks for that, yesterday. it didn't work, but I appreciate the effort |
| 21:06.27 | abrotman | peterS: i tried very hard :) |
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| 21:06.40 | peterS | abrotman: yeah. my computer does beep when you do that, but apparently not loud enough |
| 21:06.44 | jak_ | abrotman: i know about the issues, but i cant find the gui pre packaged... |
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| 21:06.47 | abrotman | peterS: apparently .. you were tired |
| 21:06.57 | abrotman | jak_: i'm pretty sure it's in those packages |
| 21:07.01 | jak_ | damn wmv codecs :) |
| 21:07.07 | peterS | abrotman: I was. well, the one thing I promised myself I would do before sleeping, I didn't, but I got it done this morning. so there. |
| 21:07.11 | mwilson | deadcat: There's a reason why it wouldn't? |
| 21:07.20 | abrotman | peterS: ah ok |
| 21:07.47 | deadcat | mwilson: i dont know. |
| 21:07.59 | rob_lt | What's the best way to make an iso image of a dvd? I tried "dd if=/dev/sr0 of=test.iso" but it failed with an i/o error. |
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| 21:08.23 | Wyzard | rob_lt: A data DVD, or a movie? |
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| 21:08.33 | peterS | rob_lt: you can try dd conv=noerror, but really if it gives an i/o error I don't know how you could read it properly |
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| 21:09.08 | rob_lt | Wyzard: movie. |
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| 21:09.32 | Wyzard | rob_lt: Movies contain "locked" regions of sectors which the drive won't let you read until after an authentication process has been done |
| 21:09.47 | SquareRt | is it possible to run debian on an old SGI Visual Workstation 320? |
| 21:09.52 | spacelobster | could someone point me to a quick tutorial on vim? |
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| 21:09.59 | abrotman | SquareRt: read the Install Guide .. and check the supported hardware section |
| 21:10.00 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:10.00 | dpkg | well, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 21:10.01 | pipeline | SquareRt: Yes, but it's not a good idea. |
| 21:10.05 | Wyzard | rob_lt: Start up a DVD player app and start watching the movie, just to get it to do the authentication |
| 21:10.06 | SquareRt | pipeline: why not? |
| 21:10.09 | Ronin | spacelobster: google? |
| 21:10.13 | pipeline | SquareRt: dismal graphics support |
| 21:10.13 | SquareRt | abrotman: read it, can't see anything on it |
| 21:10.13 | deadcat | spacelobster: google |
| 21:10.14 | fortysixand2 | man vim |
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| 21:10.26 | SquareRt | abrotman: has arcboot for mips, but not for x86 |
| 21:10.28 | spacelobster | lol ok I will give google a try. |
| 21:10.33 | SquareRt | pipeline: that go for all linux? |
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| 21:10.49 | Wyzard | rob_lt: I'm not sure whether a DVD movie's CSS keys are stored in the normal data region, though; if not, your iso will lack them so it won't be useful |
| 21:10.53 | pipeline | SquareRt: Yes. |
| 21:10.54 | rob_lt | Wyzard: Hmmm... well, I played main menu of the movie with vlc before I tried to create an iso |
| 21:11.09 | SquareRt | pipeline: well, I mean, there are no decent X or framebuffer drivers for the Cobalt A4 graphics then? |
| 21:11.12 | SquareRt | I see |
| 21:11.18 | pipeline | SquareRt: The only way to get reasonable graphics on a 320 is to install the NT4 that came with it and upgrade to 2000. |
| 21:11.29 | abrotman | pipeline: that's not funny :) |
| 21:11.31 | pipeline | SquareRt: I think there's a framebuffer driver or something, but it's pretty primitive. I figured I would warn you. |
| 21:11.38 | SquareRt | pipeline: and if I wanted to use the machine as a server? |
| 21:11.42 | SquareRt | pipeline: is it a waste? |
| 21:12.02 | peterS | SquareRt: you'll have to run with an old-ish kernel, I think. I believe that stuff fell into disrepair and got ripped out of the kernel awhile back |
| 21:12.09 | pipeline | SquareRt: The graphics aren't that fast anyway. Also, don't use the firewire on those. |
| 21:12.21 | SquareRt | pipeline: I see |
| 21:12.25 | SquareRt | peters: hmm... |
| 21:12.34 | peterS | SquareRt: hmmm, maybe I'm mistaken - 2.6.12 still has a CONFIG_X86_VISWS |
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| 21:12.46 | SquareRt | peters: a "linus complained about braindead code and nothing was done" moment? |
| 21:12.46 | Wyzard | rob_lt: dunno then... I don't know the details of that authentication process |
| 21:13.02 | rob_lt | Wyzard: thanks alot for your help. |
| 21:13.03 | SquareRt | peters: I know they tore some stuff for the NUMA out because it was stupid |
| 21:13.03 | peterS | SquareRt: more like, it was broken and nobody had the hardware, or cared enough, to fix it |
| 21:13.13 | peterS | SquareRt: but eventually I think someone did resurrect the port |
| 21:13.14 | SquareRt | peters: I see |
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| 21:13.17 | pablum | !test |
| 21:13.17 | dpkg | No, pablum, you're not online any more. |
| 21:13.21 | SquareRt | heh |
| 21:13.28 | SquareRt | at |
| 21:13.29 | SquareRt | test |
| 21:13.34 | new2deb | i am trying to install sarge on a PII 350 128MB RAM 4.3 SCSI HD. THe cdrom boots ok but after a while it stops with the message:"Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted.". i checked both the cd media and the cd drive *on another PC* and both are OK. what gives? |
| 21:13.40 | peterS | SquareRt: SGI's idea of "let's do the BIOS in a completely incompatible way" was interesting but, looking back, pretty shortsighted |
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| 21:14.46 | peterS | SquareRt: /msg dpkg qotd27 |
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| 21:14.54 | vlt | hi @all. i've already a debian base system install on my hd. then i've tried to install the xfree86 server. i wasn#t able to configure it correctly. can someone explain me what driver is the right one for my video card (nvidia geforce3 ti 200)? |
| 21:14.58 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.00 | SquareRt | poo |
| 21:15.01 | SquareRt | lol |
| 21:15.14 | bisy | vlt: the "nv" driver. |
| 21:15.24 | SquareRt | LOL peters |
| 21:15.25 | peterS | SquareRt: a classic where "no, you're not online anymore" was accidentally appropriate |
| 21:15.34 | SquareRt | hehe |
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| 21:15.43 | peterS | SquareRt: the guy was lagged so several lines came through at once, that's why he was kicked |
| 21:16.02 | SquareRt | peters: I was under the impression that ARCS was for their MIPS systems first |
| 21:16.09 | SquareRt | they just ported it to x86 |
| 21:16.16 | SquareRt | besides, I think their hardware was weird too lol |
| 21:16.24 | peterS | SquareRt: oh, could have been. it was still shortsighted to think that their private variant of x86 would be sustainable for any long term |
| 21:16.26 | SquareRt | in an "Apple mac" kind of way |
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| 21:17.04 | peterS | SquareRt: they *did* get windows and linux to run on it, but maintaining these long-term became difficult, particularly when SGI itself lost interest in the platform |
| 21:17.20 | SquareRt | peters: didn't it die because they used it with Windows NT instead of IRIX, and hence it became commodity windows workstation? |
| 21:17.34 | SquareRt | peters: eg apple seem to think their version of x86 will be JustFine(TM) |
| 21:17.49 | SquareRt | peters: but then again, I gather theirs isn't much different to regular flavour |
| 21:17.52 | peterS | SquareRt: that's the other thing - they thought they could sell an x86 box as non-commodity hardware. this strategy has never really worked for anyone else |
| 21:18.08 | peterS | pablum: it's popular for a reason. it does everything *I* need |
| 21:18.18 | vlt | bisy: mmhh... so i missed it. can i change the driver in '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4'? |
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| 21:18.35 | pablum | tha's all I want, peterS that it does everything you need. :) |
| 21:18.43 | fortysixand2 | vlt: try running XF86Config and choosing the driver there |
| 21:18.50 | peterS | pablum: that's what's important, everyone just needs my feature set |
| 21:18.51 | fortysixand2 | I think that's what it's called |
| 21:18.55 | Wyzard | SquareRt: If Apple's x86 uses OpenFirmware rather than the PC BIOS, and boots up in 32-bit (or 64-bit!) mode rather than 16-bit legacy code, and basically doesn't constrain itself with backward compatibility with architectural decisions from the 1980s... I'd buy one, even though I wouldn't be running OSX on it |
| 21:19.14 | bisy | vlt, you could try configure in dpkg. |
| 21:19.19 | vlt | fortysixand2: ok thnx |
| 21:19.29 | peterS | Wyzard: you say that now, and it would be neat to have that in a BIOS, but what advantages would you get from all that, *really*? |
| 21:19.32 | fortysixand2 | or like bisy said |
| 21:19.44 | pablum | peterS: it's doing all the right things, so far, and opening windows is pretty straight forward |
| 21:20.24 | Wyzard | peterS: Probably none, but I'd like it anyway |
| 21:20.34 | pablum | hmmm, the meta key doesn't work.. I'm reading the doco, though |
| 21:20.37 | bisy | vlt, did you install XFree86 or the new XOrg ? |
| 21:20.48 | peterS | Wyzard: other than the advantage of having to pay more for video cards or network cards because of the OF ROM rather than a PC BIOS ROM |
| 21:20.51 | SquareRt | wyzard: heh |
| 21:20.55 | dockane | anybody here playing nexuiz ? |
| 21:21.14 | SquareRt | peters: yes, but isn't that still a *better* option rom? |
| 21:21.23 | SquareRt | go forth!(pun intended) |
| 21:21.29 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 21:21.43 | peterS | SquareRt: depends on how you mean. it's neat, but it's not like it will *do* anything for you that the PC BIOS one won't |
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| 21:22.14 | Flimzy | How can I determine if xv is being loaded/used by X with a Radeon 9200? |
| 21:22.15 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 21:22.20 | bisy | Has anyone "upgraded" to X.org from XFree86 on unstable? I'm seeing a massive slow down in OpenGL but DRI is still working, anyone seen this? |
| 21:22.30 | SerajewelKS | trying to do a sid backport, how do i resolve circular build dependencies? |
| 21:22.34 | peterS | SquareRt: after all, "cool machine, I can use this really elegant bootloader that works just like grub but is, you know, really elegant" - only certain people would consider that a selling point |
| 21:22.35 | fortysixand2 | bisy: it seems a tad faster for me... |
| 21:22.40 | SerajewelKS | E: Build-Depends dependency for libgtk-cil cannot be satisfied because the package monodoc-browser cannot be found |
| 21:22.44 | SerajewelKS | E: Build-Depends dependency for monodoc-browser cannot be satisfied because the package libgtk-cil cannot be found |
| 21:23.15 | vlt | i've still one asks. what release should i choose for a desktop installation? unstable, testing or stable? |
| 21:23.32 | Flimzy | vlt: That would, of course, depend entirely on you. |
| 21:23.38 | SerajewelKS | vlt, i use testing, and it works for me |
| 21:23.39 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: hehe... there was some discussion on debian-devel awhile ago about how circular dependencies are bad and should be avoided when making packages :-) |
| 21:23.52 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's not a circular build dependency. That's a case where you need to build libgtk-cil and monodoc-browser. |
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| 21:23.56 | Flimzy | vlt: If you don't know which to use, you should probably stay away from unstable, tho. |
| 21:23.56 | SerajewelKS | vlt, only choose unstable if you like things to break often |
| 21:24.01 | SquareRt | peters: heh |
| 21:24.06 | Wyzard | vlt: Depends on where you want to position yourself on the (tried-and-true ... latest-and-greatest) scale |
| 21:24.06 | SquareRt | peters: "Old Men of the C" ? lol |
| 21:24.10 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, okay, and how the heck am i going to do that, since i can't build one without the other? |
| 21:24.11 | bisy | fortysixand2, yep, everything seems faster with one exception, Neverwinter-nights now only does 4fps with everything on under Xorg vs 20fps on XFree86. |
| 21:24.22 | peterS | SquareRt: something like that |
| 21:24.29 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: sure you can |
| 21:24.45 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, can you tell me how, then update the "simple sid backport" factoid? |
| 21:25.08 | fortysixand2 | bisy: ouch! what video card? is the kernel module loaded? |
| 21:25.13 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you first have to backport those packages. |
| 21:25.28 | SerajewelKS | bisy, you can get 20fps out of NWN?! |
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| 21:25.37 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, that's what i'm TRYING to do |
| 21:25.42 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The problem is that to build one, he must already have built and installed the other |
| 21:25.46 | Omnix | Does anybody know of a way to perform network bandwidth accounting per-process? Or at least, per user |
| 21:25.49 | vlt | ok. then i'll choose testing i think. it's the best way then. thnx a lot for the very quickness help. |
| 21:25.56 | bisy | fortysixand2, Cheapo Radeon3200 plugged on 3GHz P4. |
| 21:26.07 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes, and you don't necessarily need all of the dependencies present to build a backport. |
| 21:26.14 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: those are probably only needed for testing |
| 21:26.32 | fortysixand2 | hmmmm |
| 21:26.35 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, same error with '-t unstable' |
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| 21:26.44 | fortysixand2 | 3200? |
| 21:26.48 | fortysixand2 | not 9200? |
| 21:26.50 | fortysixand2 | :D |
| 21:26.55 | bisy | sorry, mean 9200 |
| 21:27.18 | fortysixand2 | do you have the fglrx drivers? |
| 21:27.25 | SerajewelKS | bisy, NWN flat-out sucks on my linux setup, unless it turn all the detail to the lowest level |
| 21:27.33 | SerajewelKS | s/it/i/ |
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| 21:28.32 | bisy | SerajewelKS, do you have DRI going? |
| 21:28.45 | SerajewelKS | bisy, pretty sure. i mean, it's not BAD, but it's like 15fps or something |
| 21:28.49 | Nz17 | I need a recommendation for an IMAP mail reader that doesn't store mail locally and beeps on new mail notification. |
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| 21:28.52 | fortysixand2 | how do you tell if DRI is going? |
| 21:28.56 | SerajewelKS | bisy, i had to install nwmouse because the mouse lag was distracting |
| 21:28.59 | bisy | fortysixan2, glxinfo |
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| 21:29.48 | bisy | SerajewelKS, under Free86 it was fine, under Xorg the mouse lag makes it almost unusable |
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| 21:30.33 | fortysixand2 | how do you turn dri on? |
| 21:31.10 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: clearly. You have to build it manually; the simple sid backport is just that; it's only for simple packages. For horrible things like gnome you need to do it by hand. |
| 21:31.13 | nevyn | find the local X xpert.. ply them with beer. |
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| 21:31.27 | ma3x | Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults. |
| 21:31.30 | pablum | !beer mwilson |
| 21:31.33 | ma3x | what's the package name? |
| 21:31.52 | pablum | er... gravity? |
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| 21:32.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, in other words... i'm going to be sitting here for a while |
| 21:32.31 | nevyn | fortysixand2: you need an Xpert |
| 21:32.44 | fortysixand2 | nice one, nevyn |
| 21:33.07 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to install two different debian trees (e.g. testing and unstable) on the same partition, and switch between them at boot? |
| 21:33.44 | dddss | what means rc on a package ? |
| 21:33.56 | nevyn | release candidate |
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| 21:34.32 | kittenbot | SerajewelKS: Might be simpler to use three separate partitions -- one for testing, one for unstable, one for /home |
| 21:34.36 | simonrvn | dddss: in dpkg -l or in the name? |
| 21:34.39 | kingsley | SerajewelKS: I'm unaware of anyone having done so, but perhaps a seperate file system could be kept in a loop device file. |
| 21:34.56 | SerajewelKS | just out of curiosity, why the heck would libgtk-cli depend on monodoc-browser? |
| 21:35.04 | SerajewelKS | for building |
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| 21:37.05 | simonrvn | dddss: it can mean different things depending on the context |
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| 21:37.17 | jelly | Where do I write to about MIA maintainer(s) for a particular package? |
| 21:37.39 | simonrvn | ask d-devel first |
| 21:37.56 | jelly | is d-devel an open list? |
| 21:38.02 | blackout | how can i tell debian to look for libraries in /usr/local/lib when compiling/linking on a sytem-wide basis (even for folks who don't use bash)? And why doesn't debian add /usr/local/lib automatically to LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 21:38.04 | dondelelcaro | jelly: yes. |
| 21:38.06 | simonrvn | ask them if they've seen the person/people in question |
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| 21:39.02 | jelly | ok, thanks |
| 21:39.16 | simonrvn | blackout: wtf would one use LD_LIBRARY_PATH and friends when you can edit /etc/ld.so.conf? |
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| 21:39.37 | dondelelcaro | blackout: uh, it should never add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH; that's what the conf file is for. |
| 21:39.48 | dddss | simonrvn: i see it on synaptic in package not installed conf.. |
| 21:39.55 | dondelelcaro | and using libraries in random directories is just asking for trouble; we explicitely don't use them. |
| 21:40.19 | pablum | blackout: try /etc/ld.so.conf (did someone say that already?) |
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| 21:40.44 | dogayonv | Hello everyone |
| 21:40.44 | dondelelcaro | far, far better to make a /usr/bin/fooprogram that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately and calls the binary in question. |
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| 21:40.54 | bauerbob | hi |
| 21:40.57 | simonrvn | dddss: you mean like 'rc packagename 10.2.10-2 Package description here'? or something else |
| 21:41.28 | dogayonv | when I installed debian, I made some user accounts and they are fine, the user accounts I added later do not have any sound, I tried adding them to the audio group in kde but still no sound. |
| 21:41.32 | dddss | simonrvn: yes |
| 21:41.52 | dondelelcaro | dogayonv: you'll need to add them to the audio group, then log them out and back in again. |
| 21:42.01 | bauerbob | are there some docs about using debian in enterprises? i need to find some good answers for questions like "why should we use debian? none of our software providers is supporting debian, they support suse and red hat only!" |
| 21:42.12 | dogayonv | did logout already |
| 21:42.19 | dogayonv | I used the kde user editor |
| 21:42.26 | simonrvn | dddss: dpkg -l | head -n4 |
| 21:42.27 | dogayonv | do I have to reboot the machine or anythiing? |
| 21:42.34 | metaperl | is there something which shows the trail of apt-get install commands I have done? I need to downgrade libgcc to the previous version so that amarok is compiled with the same version that my stock KDE was compiled with |
| 21:42.38 | dondelelcaro | blackout: the general "why debian" sheets answer those questions as well; if you have specific questions along those lines, they can also be answered. |
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| 21:43.04 | simonrvn | afk |
| 21:43.07 | blackout | dondelelcaro, where are those sheets? |
| 21:43.09 | dondelelcaro | blackout: many vendors will support Debian as well; in the cases where they won't, you can often find consultants to bridge the support. |
| 21:43.11 | Schiz0 | What's the command to start another x server? startx what? |
| 21:43.13 | dondelelcaro | blackout: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 21:43.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, how exactly do i build backport packages that depend on each other to be built? |
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| 21:43.24 | Wyzard | Schiz0: startx -- :1 |
| 21:43.27 | Schiz0 | thanks |
| 21:43.37 | Wyzard | Schiz0: Increment the display number (:2, etc) for each additional server you want to start |
| 21:43.38 | dddss | simonrvn: nothing |
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| 21:44.10 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you do it manually; start up a chroot running the system that you want to backport to, build the packages as far as they will go, install the bits that they need to finish compiling out of the other side; finish building the packages. install the .debs, and rebuild. |
| 21:44.26 | Fiercetactics | does anybody use fglrx driver |
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| 21:44.53 | Skaja | ok where do i get linux drivers for my modem |
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| 21:45.51 | Skaja | its a hardware modem |
| 21:45.54 | Fiercetactics | does anybody use fglrx driver? |
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| 21:46.49 | Skaja | and yes i got linux to work |
| 21:46.52 | dondelelcaro | Fiercetactics: you don't need to repeat. |
| 21:46.59 | dondelelcaro | Fiercetactics: just ask your question. |
| 21:47.09 | pablum | Skaja: you don't need a driver for a hardware modem |
| 21:47.27 | cHaPlinux | Some PixelView Extreme PlayTV PRO functioning in kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 21:47.34 | Skaja | well mandrake does not see it |
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| 21:48.14 | pablum | ah... you have the serial module? |
| 21:48.20 | cHaPlinux | *Some PixelView PlayTV PRO Ultra functioning in kernel 2.6 ? |
| 21:48.23 | Fiercetactics | dondelelcaro, what the hell ...... everybody in these chat rooms are so uptight |
| 21:48.25 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, in other words, it's a pain in the ass |
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| 21:49.43 | Wyzard | Fiercetactics: That's not uptight at all... just letting you know that you're free to just ask a question; you don't have to ask "anyone use X?" first |
| 21:49.51 | Wyzard | oh well |
| 21:49.57 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use |
| 21:49.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:50.00 | SerajewelKS | love that one |
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| 21:50.19 | ma3x | how can i setup channel mixing on debian? |
| 21:51.22 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, is there a tutorial somewhere for doing this kind of manual backport? |
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| 21:52.20 | Fiercetactics | howdo i get sid? |
| 21:52.34 | jan_ | read the manual =) |
| 21:52.38 | bisy | Fiercetactics: I wasn't aware of fglrx, i'd been using mesa-dri; any idea if/what the performance difference is? |
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| 21:52.51 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: There's the maintainer's guide, which is basically the documentation for making and building packages |
| 21:52.54 | dondelelcaro | Fiercetactics: just use 'sarge'; when you're ready to use sid you won't need to ask that question. |
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| 21:53.04 | Skaja | what is glibx |
| 21:53.10 | Skaja | what is glibc |
| 21:53.11 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: no; you're sort of expected to know what you're doing if you're making them. |
| 21:53.16 | Wyzard | Fiercetactics: dondelelcaro's comment earlier was not uptight at all... just letting you know that you're free to just ask a question; you don't have to ask "anyone use X?" first |
| 21:53.16 | Fiercetactics | bisy, fglrx is the non-free driver |
| 21:53.17 | dondelelcaro | Skaja: the gnu c library |
| 21:53.33 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i know enough about dpkg to know that it does stuff for me... |
| 21:53.46 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: dpkg doesn't have anything to do with making a backport. |
| 21:53.55 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, apt-get then |
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| 21:54.05 | Fiercetactics | dondelelcaro, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM......IF YOU DONTWANT TO ANSWER MY QUESTION THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP |
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| 21:54.29 | SerajewelKS | Fiercetactics, i suggest not insulting the ops |
| 21:54.36 | Canardo | wow |
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| 21:54.44 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: nah, apt-get doesn't have anything to do with the backport either. Those just install packages. |
| 21:55.02 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, `apt-get -b source install` will do backports |
| 21:55.10 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: heh. Not really. |
| 21:55.14 | Wyzard | Fiercetactics: We could ask what's *your* problem... you seem to be offended by everything |
| 21:55.14 | Skaja | i'm running mandrake 9.0 |
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| 21:55.26 | resiak | Skaja: So why are you here? |
| 21:55.29 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, it worked for 'boo' |
| 21:55.37 | Blade | Evening! |
| 21:55.41 | Skaja | its all the same |
| 21:55.41 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: and all that really does is download the build dependencies and run fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 21:55.45 | Canardo | evening |
| 21:55.50 | SerajewelKS | Skaja, it is most certainly NOT |
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| 21:56.08 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, so it's a front-end to what really builds the backport |
| 21:56.29 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it's a front end to what really builds packages. That it happens to build a backport is just a function of whatever you're trying to build. |
| 21:56.30 | Skaja | oh its not |
| 21:56.34 | Wyzard | Fiercetactics: To upgrade to sid, put it in your sources.list, update, and dist-upgrade... but as dondelelcaro hinted, it's not a good idea if you aren't an experienced user |
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| 21:57.06 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, right, now is there a simple list of steps that i can do to build a backport of circularly build-dependant packages? |
| 21:57.17 | Canardo | had loads of problems upgrading from stable to testing |
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| 21:57.27 | Canardo | but since then |
| 21:57.36 | Canardo | it's ok really |
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| 21:58.23 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i'm not looking for someone to baby-step me through the process, but at the same time i don't want to read the whole maintainer manual to build three packages that all depend on each other |
| 21:58.32 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: I gave it to you. You run a chroot; you install all the build-deps you can; build package A until it fails. install the parts of A that have built; build B until it fails; install the parts of B that have built; repeat until the build completes; build the debs for A and B; install them; build the .debs again. |
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| 21:58.54 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, okay... what exactly is the chroot for |
| 21:59.07 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it's there so you don't leave crap from the build process everywhere. |
| 21:59.19 | dondelelcaro | since it will necessarily be messy |
| 21:59.31 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: apt-cache show pbuilder |
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| 22:00.10 | TheBlueWizard | SerajewelKS: chroot is also used for jailing ftp directories, and I am sure others can tell of more uses |
| 22:00.19 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, will unpacking the source package and doing 'debian/rules binary' leave crap in other parts of my system? |
| 22:00.28 | SerajewelKS | TheBlueWizard, i know what chroot does |
| 22:00.41 | TheBlueWizard | ah ok |
| 22:01.22 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: not until you install it, which you will have to do in order to get the packages to build |
| 22:01.48 | SerajewelKS | well i'll be darned... `apt-get -b source libgtk-cil` fails but it seems i can invoke debian/rules binary just fine |
| 22:02.04 | pablum | fierce tactics aren't necessarily effective ones. |
| 22:02.32 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, would it be bad to install the build packages and then just use deborphan to find the unused ones later? |
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| 22:03.44 | metaperl | how can I rebuild KDE? |
| 22:03.52 | bisy | make |
| 22:03.57 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, download the sources, ./configure, make |
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| 22:04.10 | metaperl | no, via apt-build and apt-get |
| 22:04.32 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, i think part of the process involves getting put in an institution |
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| 22:05.02 | metaperl | gmane.kde.debian reports some success, but without details of how to do it |
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| 22:05.12 | dondelelcaro | metaperl: get the packages you want to rebuild, modulate them, and fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 22:05.28 | dondelelcaro | metaperl: or you can do the same with apt-build; although I personally don't use that. |
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| 22:05.44 | metaperl | dondelelcaro: what do you mean "modulate" |
| 22:05.46 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: deborphan won't help you; you'll need to use cruft; or similar to do that. |
| 22:05.55 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i just did 'debian/rules binary' for libgtk-cli, and it failed right at the end with "cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/mono/gac/glade-sharp': No such file or directory" |
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| 22:06.05 | dondelelcaro | metaperl: modulate; to change; modify; mogrify; munge. |
| 22:06.41 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: uh.... surely you mean fakeroot debian/rules binary; ? |
| 22:07.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, uh... did i just damage something? |
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| 22:08.10 | kingsley | How does one tell the "man" command to format and display a certain file? |
| 22:08.44 | BobbyB | man -t |
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| 22:09.48 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: might want to use "debuild -us -uc" rather than running debian/rules directly |
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| 22:10.11 | BobbyB | well that would put it in troff format, or man -7 for ascii, or, man man for a list |
| 22:10.15 | BobbyB | man --help |
| 22:10.18 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, debuild: command not found |
| 22:10.20 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: just man /path/to/file |
| 22:10.20 | kingsley | BobbyB: man -t returned "No source manual entry for..." |
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| 22:10.54 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: apt-get install devscripts |
| 22:10.54 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: Ah, I needed to preface the filename with "./". Thanks. |
| 22:11.10 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: yerp. |
| 22:11.24 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: pbuilder pulls it in as a dependency, and I mentioned earlier that you should use that |
| 22:11.29 | oatis | What version of KDE does 3.1 come with? 3.3 or 3.4? |
| 22:11.38 | Wyzard | 3.3 |
| 22:11.40 | d0ug | Now that there are 5.8ghz cordless phones, are we gonna see some 5.8 wireless routers soon? or does it not really matter using frequencies above 2.4ghz? |
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| 22:12.14 | oatis | wyzard, oh, thanks |
| 22:13.08 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-modules: line 290: /var/cache/pbuilder/build//32373/etc/mailname: No such file or directory |
| 22:13.21 | oatis | is KDE upgradable to 3.4 via apt? |
| 22:13.43 | linuxfreck | d0ug: there is 802.11a wireless already available, and it uses a 5 ghz band |
| 22:13.44 | suxxxxx | incoming.debian.org is down? |
| 22:13.45 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: dunno about that, sorry... I haven't used pbuilder myself (since I rarely build packages) |
| 22:13.51 | suxxxxx | I cannot upgrade the box this evening? |
| 22:14.26 | linuxfreck | d0ug: the problem with higher frequencies is that they are shielded by almost everything |
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| 22:16.02 | Aradorn | ok just did a fresh install and when i start up X and log into my account i dont get the application bar, just the 3 desktop icons |
| 22:16.08 | Aradorn | anyway to fix that? |
| 22:17.13 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: do you have /etc/mailname set? |
| 22:17.26 | dondelelcaro | (it's generally $(hostname) |
| 22:17.54 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, yes, it's there |
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| 22:18.24 | oatis | is KDE upgradable via apt from 3.3 to 3.4 if I install sarge? |
| 22:18.24 | d0ug | linuxfreck: shielded in what way? |
| 22:19.03 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's just hostname -f > "$BUILDPLACE/etc/mailname"; so in theory that shouldn't fail. |
| 22:19.11 | linuxfreck | d0ug: well lower frequencies better pass through concrete and other materials |
| 22:19.18 | dondelelcaro | (unless /var/cache/pbuilder/build/32373/etc/mailname doesn't exist) |
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| 22:19.44 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, guess what... =) |
| 22:19.50 | d0ug | but line of sight-wise, the higher the freq, the higher the distance? |
| 22:20.03 | Wyzard | oatis: 3.4 isn't packaged yet |
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| 22:20.34 | Wyzard | oatis: Well, it's in experimental |
| 22:20.38 | aaronlin | I have just installed Debian using netinst. I am now using apt-get to install xfce4. Will I be able to type init 5 and then run XFCE4 just like that? |
| 22:20.52 | oatis | wyzard, oh okay |
| 22:20.53 | PerfDave | aaronlin: Why would you type "init 5"? |
| 22:20.58 | Wyzard | aaronlin: Debian doesn't use runlevels for X/non-X |
| 22:21.03 | aaronlin | PerfDave: How else do I change runlevels? |
| 22:21.11 | PerfDave | aaronlin: Why would you change runlevels? |
| 22:21.17 | Wyzard | aaronlin: Install a display manager (gdm, kdm, xdm) if you want one, and it will run |
| 22:21.18 | aaronlin | PerfDave: To get into XFCE |
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| 22:21.38 | PerfDave | aaronlin: Uhm, why would you change runlevels to get into xfce? Just use startx or whatever script xfce uses. |
| 22:21.40 | SerajewelKS | aaronlin, /etc/init.d/xfce start |
| 22:21.41 | linuxfreck | d0ug: for line-of-sight, the power of the waves is more important afaik |
| 22:21.43 | Wyzard | PerfDave: Don't be difficult... you know that many other distros run X only in runlevel 5 |
| 22:22.00 | PerfDave | Wyzard: I'm not being difficult, and I don't know or care how other distros run X :) |
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| 22:22.22 | aaronlin | SerajewelKS: thanks. |
| 22:22.34 | Wyzard | PerfDave: You understand why aaronlin thought changing runlevels was necessary, though |
| 22:22.49 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: XFCE has an initscript? |
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| 22:22.57 | ip_Tables | #Debian e diz 'Hi folks I buy a Microsoft explore 4.0 (a mouse) and and him won't work on debian (sua versao) some one can help ? ( note i dont speak english so well) |
| 22:23.03 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i don't know... just a guess. KDM and GDM and XDM do... |
| 22:23.04 | ip_Tables | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.07 | PerfDave | Wyzard: No, I don't. There's a single user runlevel, and a multi-user runlevel, I don't see why you need another one. |
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| 22:23.16 | d0ug | linuxfreck: is it the FCC that limits the range on these suckers so hard? |
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| 22:23.20 | PerfDave | !hispanic |
| 22:23.20 | dpkg | i guess hispanic is por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 22:23.22 | d0ug | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.38 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: XFCE is something you run once you've gotten X running... like GNOME or KDE |
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| 22:23.49 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: It's not a display manager which runs as a system service and actually starts X |
| 22:23.56 | linuxfreck | d0ug: I live in germany, where the fcc rules don't apply |
| 22:24.00 | SerajewelKS | aaronlin, ignore me |
| 22:24.01 | Smerdyakov | It seems /bin/rm needs to read something in the CWD, even to perform an unrelated deletion. |
| 22:24.04 | Smerdyakov | Is this intentional? |
| 22:24.07 | PerfDave | Doesn't XFCE have some startxfce script or something? |
| 22:24.46 | linuxfreck | d0ug: but we have another authority, which does the same |
| 22:24.47 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, dondelelcaro, as far as libgtk-cli not working, it seems that `make` in the glade folder doesn't do anything, and i can't figure out why |
| 22:24.58 | SerajewelKS | do i need glade dev packages installed or something? |
| 22:24.58 | Wyzard | It might, but if aaronlin is expecting a graphical login screen (like many distros run in runlevel 5), installing a display manager would be the right thing to do |
| 22:24.59 | aaronlin | SerajewelKS: I think the command is startx |
| 22:25.09 | aaronlin | nm, doesn't work |
| 22:25.10 | SerajewelKS | aaronlin, to start X, yes, but not to choose XFCE |
| 22:25.12 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: No idea, sorry |
| 22:25.15 | aaronlin | I see. |
| 22:25.18 | Wyzard | aaronlin: apt-get install gdm |
| 22:25.29 | SerajewelKS | kdm! |
| 22:25.29 | aaronlin | I'll check on google. |
| 22:25.36 | d0ug | linuxfreck: did you know your highways are about 10% safer than ours [usa] in terms of miles of individual cars to crashing ratio? |
| 22:25.40 | Canardo | icewm |
| 22:25.43 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Last time I used kdm (a year or two ago), it was horrendously ugly |
| 22:25.56 | PerfDave | aaronlin: If you want to run startx, you have to install the package that contains it. |
| 22:25.58 | Canardo | and slow |
| 22:25.59 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, looks OK to me |
| 22:26.10 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Then again, I have yet to find a KDE theme that I like |
| 22:26.20 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, plastik is good |
| 22:26.30 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Plastik is the least-bad of the ones I've seen |
| 22:26.32 | linuxfreck | d0ug: uh, albeit we have no speed limit? nice... |
| 22:26.46 | Aradorn | ok just did a fresh install and when i start up X and log into my account i dont get the application bar, just the 3 desktop icons. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:26.46 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, IMO there are no good themes, because GUIs are inherently ugly |
| 22:26.58 | pablum | we don't have the yearly carambolage, however... |
| 22:27.01 | Aradorn | er rather when i start up gnome |
| 22:27.02 | d0ug | that's right.. i saw it on the Discovery channel i think |
| 22:27.08 | Canardo | minimalist gui's are ok |
| 22:27.10 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, the trick is finding a theme that makes using a computer tolerable |
| 22:27.21 | Canardo | icewm, fluxbox ? |
| 22:27.29 | SerajewelKS | Canardo, those aren't themes |
| 22:27.30 | d0ug | you all should be proud of yourselves for that |
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| 22:27.35 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I like Clearlooks in GNOME |
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| 22:27.46 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i use KDE, so... |
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| 22:27.56 | Canardo | SerajewelKS, I know ... |
| 22:27.58 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, GNOME doesn't appear to have any support for dual monitors |
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| 22:28.01 | Canardo | Sorry |
| 22:28.08 | linuxfreck | d0ug: there are so many other things where we suck, like unemployment rate |
| 22:28.09 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: No wonder you think GUIs are inherently ugly :-P |
| 22:28.16 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: No, GNOME supports dual monitors just fine |
| 22:28.33 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, GNOME is ugly... all GUIs are... except maybe aqua |
| 22:28.47 | Canardo | and Mac OS ? |
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| 22:28.54 | SerajewelKS | Canardo, that's aqua |
| 22:28.55 | d0ug | linuxfreck: is it true that driving licenses cost two grand USD? |
| 22:29.00 | Canardo | ah ! |
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| 22:29.04 | linuxfreck | d0ug: yep |
| 22:29.11 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Well, GTK 2.8 will use Cairo for all drawing, and combined with xorg's compositing stuff, that'll be very much like the way OSX does its drawing |
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| 22:29.35 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: So GNOME 2.12 or 2.14 might very well be on par with OSX in terms of eyecandy |
| 22:29.39 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, well then i'm still stuck since x.org isn't stable yet |
| 22:29.47 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, that'd be nice... |
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| 22:29.59 | PerfDave | KDE is the only usable GUI IMHO. |
| 22:30.05 | Canardo | when will Xfree86 be taken out of debian ? |
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| 22:30.05 | SerajewelKS | anyway, still trying to get libgkt-cli to build |
| 22:30.11 | d0ug | HWolf: cool man .. you got nice chicks too .. i'm out, later |
| 22:30.16 | dondelelcaro | Canardo: when it's no longer needed. |
| 22:30.18 | SerajewelKS | !tell Canardo about xorg |
| 22:30.21 | d0ug | i mean linuxfreck |
| 22:30.47 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: x.org will be in etch, and etch will possibly have been released, by the time that stuff is ready for general use... but the concept and the vision are there |
| 22:30.48 | pablum | !start a wm war |
| 22:30.48 | dpkg | olwm bites! |
| 22:30.56 | Canardo | I see |
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| 22:31.15 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, right... that's going to be what, another year? i need something that is usable NOW |
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| 22:32.40 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Well, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19527&file1=19527-1.png&file2=19527-2.png&file3=&name=Clearlooks is roughly what my UI looks like... but KDE doesn't suck, and I'm just teasing you that it's fundamentally ugly |
| 22:32.47 | Canardo | anybody here tried switching from Xfree to X.org ? |
| 22:33.12 | Wyzard | Canardo: I've been running it for several weeks, in sid |
| 22:33.18 | Aradorn | ok just did a fresh install and when i start up gdm and log into my account i dont get the application bar, just the 3 desktop icons. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:33.23 | dondelelcaro | Canardo: just ask your question; people here have done most things that you can imagine. |
| 22:33.45 | SerajewelKS | !has anyone |
| 22:33.45 | dpkg | "Has anyone used...", "Has anyone seen this error...", and so on are annoying ways to ask a question. Be direct. "I am trying to ___ with ___ and when I type ___ I get this error: '___'." |
| 22:33.51 | Wyzard | Aradorn: That seems pretty strange, but what I'd do is delete all the gnome-related dotfiles in your home directory and try again |
| 22:34.01 | Canardo | ok ok |
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| 22:34.58 | Aradorn | Wyzard: you mean restart after i do that? |
| 22:35.01 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, that's a pretty decent theme... a bit better than plastik, but plastik still works for me |
| 22:35.04 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Just log out and back in |
| 22:35.13 | Canardo | I'm not trying to do anything at the moment, just want to know whether it's possible ... |
| 22:35.25 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Plastik isn't bad... it's mostly KDE's icons that I don't like |
| 22:35.26 | Canardo | and don't say " anything's possible" |
| 22:35.40 | Aradorn | k im still a newb here, whats the command for logging out using a terminal? |
| 22:35.55 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, well i hate gnome's icons... SO THERE |
| 22:35.59 | SerajewelKS | Aradorn, exit |
| 22:36.03 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Log out of your X session, I mean |
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| 22:36.29 | pablum | Aradorn: try Ctl-Alt-Backspace |
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| 22:36.35 | abrotman | that's not an exit |
| 22:36.42 | Canardo | or even a good idea |
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| 22:36.53 | Canardo | type exit ? |
| 22:37.00 | Wyzard | It's the best you can do if you don't have the menu with the logout command on it |
| 22:37.08 | Wyzard | and if no apps are running, it's not particularly harmful |
| 22:37.16 | pablum | assuming he's in an xterm... in X |
| 22:37.32 | SerajewelKS | ctrl-alt-bksp makes for a good BOSS key, too |
| 22:38.12 | Aradorn | <--- complete linux newb =) heh im trying to learn here |
| 22:38.22 | Wyzard | Only if you weren't doing any real work in X |
| 22:38.22 | luxifer | join the club, Aradorn :) |
| 22:38.35 | luxifer | Aradorn: I installed my debian a couple of days ago |
| 22:38.59 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is the way to forcibly kill an X session, without "cleanly" shutting down the programs running within it |
| 22:39.07 | Aradorn | im not but still not sure how to log out of my x session, ctrl+alt+bksp (then logging in as root or my account didnt help) |
| 22:39.27 | Aradorn | ah ok |
| 22:39.29 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Ordinarily you'd have a logout command on your GNOME menu, but since you don't have a GNOME menu, you don't really have any other option |
| 22:39.34 | Aradorn | right |
| 22:39.38 | luxifer | uhm ... I'm no pro, as stated before, but ... I seem to remember my brother saying "don't log into X as root" |
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| 22:39.53 | pablum | Aradorn: were you in the X session when you did it? |
| 22:39.54 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Once you've done that, you're back to a GUI login screen, right? |
| 22:39.55 | Aradorn | heh im used to having the menu bar, and im not quite sure why id ont have it now |
| 22:40.03 | Aradorn | pablum: yes |
| 22:40.09 | Aradorn | Wyzard right |
| 22:40.49 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Then switch to a console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), do "ls -a" in your home directory, and delete all the dotfiles that begin with ".gnome" or ".gconf" -- that'll completely wipe your GNOME settings, as if you were a new user who's never logged into it before, so be careful if you have settings you want to keep |
| 22:40.58 | pablum | Aradorn: maybe you missed some .dotfile? |
| 22:41.04 | Wyzard | Aradorn: (But if this is a freshly-installed system, you probably don't) |
| 22:41.10 | Aradorn | k ill try that |
| 22:41.14 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Then switch back to your X login screen (Alt-F7) and log in again |
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| 22:43.02 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 22:43.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:43.34 | hanse | ?? es |
| 22:43.37 | hanse | ?? e |
| 22:43.47 | Wyzard | !es |
| 22:43.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:43.51 | hanse | :P! |
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| 22:44.10 | splattnik | does anyone know of rrd-script that shows bandwidth usage and and traffic on ceirtan ports? |
| 22:44.10 | pablum | mmm, readline idioms in irc-client... |
| 22:44.12 | Canardo | yes, por favor, please |
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| 22:44.16 | Canardo | grin |
| 22:45.01 | Marxist | aradorn, try Alt+F2 and run gnome-panel |
| 22:45.07 | Agrajag- | splattnik: ipac-ng does that |
| 22:45.18 | Agrajag- | doesn't do rrd, but will do pretty graphs for you |
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| 22:45.59 | narg | My flash drive is being annoying, and I think its partition table is screwed. Any way to just totally nuke the whole drive, and start over? |
| 22:46.03 | SerajewelKS | i just installed clearlooks and it screwed over every single font metric on the system |
| 22:46.04 | Canardo | how about mrtg ? |
| 22:46.14 | abrotman | narg: sure |
| 22:46.30 | splattnik | im trying too use rrd-tool together with mrtg |
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| 22:46.42 | narg | abrotman: How? :p |
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| 22:47.58 | Marxist | Aradorn, did you try what i suggested? |
| 22:48.00 | debEN | I am trying to compile c using gcc and i get this message collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 22:48.18 | ralf | what do you suggest me about putting some services under (x)inetd? |
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| 22:48.52 | abrotman | narg: fdisk will partition in .. mkfs will make a filesystem |
| 22:48.59 | Wyzard | debEN: Sounds like you ran into a linker error |
| 22:49.10 | Aradorn | Marxist: not yet, trying the first suggestion... but its not working either... How do i start gnome-panel? whats the command |
| 22:49.24 | fortysixand2 | what would cause an xf86_ENOMEM error when trying to load fglrx drivers? |
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| 22:49.40 | debEN | wyzard: what exactly does that mean? Can I work around it? |
| 22:49.45 | Marxist | first, hold down alt key and hit F2 |
| 22:49.59 | Marxist | then type gnome-panel if a box appears |
| 22:50.06 | Wyzard | debEN: It means that the program references a function or variable whose definition wasn't found anywhere |
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| 22:50.20 | Wyzard | debEN: Possibly you forgot to link in some necessary library |
| 22:50.52 | fortysixand2 | the fglrx module IS there in lsmod |
| 22:50.57 | Aradorn | Marxist dont get a box when i do that =\ |
| 22:51.12 | Wyzard | debEN: Is it a program you wrote yourself? |
| 22:51.25 | phogg | What is the x.org in sid compiled with? gcc4 with the new abi? |
| 22:51.30 | debEN | wyzard: no, it is aircrack |
| 22:51.40 | Wyzard | phogg: The new ABI is only for C++ |
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| 22:52.05 | phogg | Wyzard: is it indeed? Color me uneducated. |
| 22:52.06 | Wyzard | debEN: Read its documentation to see what libraries it requires |
| 22:52.06 | p30n | hello |
| 22:52.19 | neo10 | hello.. how I can verify key for amd64 debian mirror.. something like keyring.debian.org for debian mirror |
| 22:52.20 | black13 | p30n echo -- hello |
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| 22:52.23 | p30n | quick question: whats the command to do reverse apt-get install package |
| 22:52.32 | p30n | i want to uninstall a package |
| 22:52.37 | Wyzard | p30n: apt-get remove |
| 22:52.40 | p30n | thanks |
| 22:52.42 | Wyzard | p30n: possibly with --purge |
| 22:52.43 | p30n | duh ;p |
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| 22:52.43 | gantchev | apt-get --purge remove package |
| 22:52.53 | Marxist | ok, from a v terminal: ctrl+alt+F1 then login: then xterm -- :0 |
| 22:52.54 | debEN | okay, ill look to download it somewhere else then because it didn't come with any docs. |
| 22:53.15 | fortysixand2 | glxgears gives about 1100 fps |
| 22:53.18 | neo10 | haloo |
| 22:53.22 | p30n | anyone know if it would be bad for me to have mysqltcl2.3 when im gonna install mysqltcl3 ? |
| 22:53.33 | fortysixand2 | but fgl_glxgears won't even run |
| 22:53.36 | pablum | haha, I'm going to test my own (WEP) network with that. debEN, It is a package in debian: you don't need to compile it. |
| 22:53.37 | debEN | thanks wyzard! |
| 22:53.40 | Aradorn | Marxist: xterm: command not found |
| 22:53.48 | Wyzard | debEN: aircrack appears to be packaged in Debian... you don't need to compile it at all |
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| 22:54.08 | debEN | pablum, which debian are you running? |
| 22:54.19 | pablum | er... sid |
| 22:54.24 | deadcat | Aradorn: apt-get install xterm then |
| 22:54.41 | pablum | debEN: try apt-cache search aircrack |
| 22:54.42 | Wyzard | debEN: It's in sarge too... I just checked |
| 22:54.58 | Canardo | /usr/bin/X11/xterm |
| 22:55.03 | Wyzard | pablum: Don't use WEP |
| 22:55.13 | debEN | ...okay, i'll update....much easier i am sure. Great! Thanx you guys!! |
| 22:55.16 | Marxist | gnome-terminal -- :0 |
| 22:55.24 | Marxist | try tgar |
| 22:55.26 | deadcat | debEN: you need to compile the latest aircrack beta version inorder to inject packets. |
| 22:55.35 | deadcat | pablum: 1/2 mil IVs |
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| 22:55.53 | debEN | aircrack 2.2 beta? |
| 22:55.55 | pablum | Wyzard: old linksys I want to flash but am too lazy. |
| 22:55.56 | deadcat | pablum: 10min if you use the beta version of aireplay to inject |
| 22:56.01 | deadcat | debEN: aireplay beta |
| 22:56.14 | pablum | deadcat: wow. |
| 22:56.19 | debEN | this is the one that is giving me trouble. |
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| 22:56.31 | Wyzard | debEN: Unless you actually need the packet-injection feature, just use the packaged version |
| 22:56.34 | Marxist | that* |
| 22:56.39 | deadcat | pablum: ya. but only works on 802.11b ONLY network. not on g nor b/g networks |
| 22:56.44 | pablum | deadcat: what data does aireplay pass over the net? |
| 22:56.59 | deadcat | pablum: no clue. |
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| 22:57.04 | Marxist | Aradorn, try gnome-terminal -- :0 |
| 22:57.11 | black13 | deadcat, can a bad pam setup kill the ability to login? |
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| 22:57.26 | debEN | yeah, i need packet injection, otherwise it would take me forever |
| 22:57.29 | narg | abrotman: I whiped it, then used cfdisk to partition it into 2 fat16 partitions. Trying to mount it gives an error, and dmesg gives this: FAT: bogus logical sector size 26228 VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 08:01. Did I do something wrong? |
| 22:57.30 | deadcat | black13: yes sir. |
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| 22:57.50 | deadcat | debEN: you need to patch the driver you using and use aireplay beta. else just give up |
| 22:57.50 | debEN | no chance you have the new version compiled that you could send me? |
| 22:57.52 | DrusT | hello |
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| 22:58.07 | deadcat | debEN: i do but you can do it yourself. easy. |
| 22:58.31 | deadcat | !tell fando about away |
| 22:58.33 | Aradorn | Marxist: k |
| 22:58.37 | debEN | can you tell how you did it? Mine gives errors when i try to compile |
| 22:58.48 | Marxist | worked? |
| 22:58.51 | deadcat | debEN: what driver you using first? |
| 22:59.01 | Aradorn | heh no having to reboot the machine, locked up on me |
| 22:59.06 | Aradorn | almost back up |
| 22:59.08 | deadcat | debEN: i hae luck with the linux-wlan-ng driver patched |
| 22:59.18 | TheMoebius2 | hey how long is the package "scrollkeeper" supposed to take to configure. Its been sitting here at "Rebuilding the database. This may take some time" - for a really long time. And its using like 85% of my CPU |
| 22:59.26 | Wyzard | TheMoebius2: That's normal |
| 22:59.39 | TheMoebius2 | Wyzard, ok |
| 22:59.41 | debEN | i havent got any working yet but the driver i normally use, and it works is the standard one that loads....it supports my card in monitor mode |
| 23:00.11 | black13 | deadcat, when i try to login it doesnt give me a chance to enter the password and says "Login incorrect" |
| 23:00.20 | deadcat | debEN: that dont do no good. make sure you remove the genrtc driver and load rtc instead |
| 23:00.30 | abrotman | narg: make it fat32 |
| 23:00.59 | deadcat | black13: what did you do and what are you using? |
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| 23:01.07 | debEN | alright...i'll experiment some more |
| 23:01.11 | debEN | Thanx! |
| 23:01.13 | narg | abrotman: k, Ill try that. |
| 23:01.15 | debEN | Later |
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| 23:01.42 | Aradorn | Marxist: Gtk-Warning cannot open display |
| 23:01.42 | deadcat | debEN: http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aircrack/ |
| 23:02.00 | deadcat | Aradorn: dont do it as root. use sudo or something |
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| 23:02.11 | Aradorn | im not root |
| 23:02.12 | Aradorn | =\ |
| 23:02.18 | Aradorn | think something went wrong with the install |
| 23:02.36 | *** part/#debian brendan (~brendan@albatross.kublai.com) |
| 23:02.51 | *** part/#debian bctest (~brendan@S0106003065e6cf72.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 23:02.57 | encrypted | anyone have problems with connecting to the internet (yet still retaining LAN connectivity) after their last update? |
| 23:03.20 | deadcat | encrypted: no all works |
| 23:03.22 | narg | abrotman: Same error. |
| 23:03.30 | Canardo | encrypted, nope |
| 23:03.31 | encrypted | dang |
| 23:04.18 | encrypted | any ideas on troubleshooting? i can't really notice anything on tcpdump and i'm able to ping/ssh/etc. internally. i can send outbound http requests without issue, 0 responses though |
| 23:04.19 | Wyzard | encrypted: Check your routing table |
| 23:04.30 | encrypted | arp -a shows my gateway and one of the local machines |
| 23:04.40 | Wyzard | encrypted: Do you have a default route? |
| 23:04.51 | encrypted | humm..let me 2x check |
| 23:04.57 | Marxist | Aradorn, go to your home directory and do this: nano -w .xinitrc in the file type in exec gnome-terminal then below it type gnome-panel then ctrl+o hit enter; ctrl+x enter |
| 23:04.58 | *** part/#debian TheMoebius2 (~TheMoebiu@CPE-24-167-197-3.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 23:04.58 | Marxist | reboot |
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| 23:05.10 | encrypted | well well well |
| 23:05.16 | Canardo | well ? |
| 23:05.24 | *** join/#debian terje` (~terje@dD576645A.access.telenet.be) |
| 23:05.27 | encrypted | now my arp -a output has ? (192.168.1.1) showing up |
| 23:05.28 | Wyzard | No default route? |
| 23:05.30 | black13 | deadcat, i created bootable debian system from debootstrap chroot |
| 23:05.34 | encrypted | on all items |
| 23:05.44 | encrypted | which is my gateway, and 2 pc's on the network |
| 23:05.48 | deadcat | black13: oh. you mounted proc? |
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| 23:05.59 | kahless | hello |
| 23:06.07 | deadcat | black13: all works for me. just mount proc and chroot /path/to/rootfs /bin/bash |
| 23:06.12 | encrypted | but route does show a default destination / gateway is correct, 0.0.0.0 on genmask |
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| 23:06.48 | Aradorn | Marxist: alright |
| 23:06.51 | [fanboi]Sano | Hi how do i identify with the server? |
| 23:07.00 | kahless | does someone own a "acer extensa 2000" notebook with a running debian? i have some touchpad problems and i need help :) |
| 23:07.03 | PerfDave | [fanboi]Sano: /msg nickserv help |
| 23:07.06 | Wyzard | encrypted: I'm not sure what you were saying about your arp table... all your entries (with different MAC addresses) have the same IP? |
| 23:07.12 | [fanboi]Sano | ty |
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| 23:07.15 | Dinuir | anyone know how to install on system with software Raid 0?? |
| 23:07.20 | deadcat | kahless: google for linux-laptop |
| 23:07.31 | Wyzard | Dinuir: There's an option for that in the installer |
| 23:07.36 | black13 | deadcat, /etc/pam.d/login |
| 23:07.40 | kahless | deadcat: senseless, no help on this kind of sites |
| 23:07.48 | encrypted | Wyzard: nah, different MAC's, different IP's - the IP's match up to the machines |
| 23:07.50 | Marxist | encrypted, do you have ACLs set up on your router? |
| 23:07.55 | deadcat | kahless: you bullshitting me right? |
| 23:07.56 | werdna | what is a LGPL License?? |
| 23:07.56 | encrypted | i've been fighting with this one all day |
| 23:08.05 | Wyzard | Dinuir: Why are you trying to DCC chat me? |
| 23:08.11 | Wyzard | Dinuir: Just talk in the channel |
| 23:08.12 | encrypted | Marxist: home network, no ACL's, linksys pos router |
| 23:08.22 | tictac | is there a way to disable package/signature verification? |
| 23:08.24 | kahless | deadcat: nope, i have acer notebooks since ~3 years, i know what i'm talking about :) |
| 23:08.30 | Wyzard | tictac: Why do that? |
| 23:08.38 | encrypted | Marxist: 2 machines on it functional, one windows and my main deb box |
| 23:08.38 | deadcat | kahless: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ http://tuxmobil.org/ |
| 23:08.39 | mwilson | Hrm... |
| 23:08.41 | Marxist | tried a power cycle on the router? |
| 23:08.48 | kahless | deadcat: i know them |
| 23:08.54 | deadcat | kahless: then you on your own. i dont kow what you talking about |
| 23:08.55 | Dinuir | Wyzrad: Thanks for that - is the wizard you menioned part of the latest installer? |
| 23:08.58 | Wyzard | werdna: It's the GNU Lesser General Public License... http://www.gnu.org/ has more info |
| 23:09.06 | Marxist | does the windows machine work? |
| 23:09.10 | tictac | Wyzard: because i hate the prompts i get everytime i update/upgrade |
| 23:09.12 | Wyzard | Dinuir: Yes, it's part of the sarge installer |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | narg: what erro ? |
| 23:09.19 | Marxist | try this |
| 23:09.20 | Wyzard | tictac: Install the keys for the sources you're installing from |
| 23:09.32 | encrypted | Marxist: yeah, win box is working, main deb box is working |
| 23:09.44 | encrypted | the only major thing i've done with that laptop as of late is an apt-update/upgrade the other day |
| 23:09.47 | kahless | deadcat: psmouse,mousedev etc. are in my kernel. (testet buildin and as module) but i don't have /dev/psaux or /dev/input mice |
| 23:09.47 | Dinuir | Wyzard: Excude me as a newbie but do I need that separately from the normal ISO images? |
| 23:09.49 | Marxist | traceroute or trace or tracert or w/e to your local machine |
| 23:09.50 | encrypted | after that, hadn't had to connect it until today |
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| 23:10.07 | Wyzard | Dinuir: No, the installer is what's contained in the installation CDs |
| 23:10.09 | tictac | that would require gnupg knowledge. |
| 23:10.11 | deadcat | kahless: have you tried any live cds lately? |
| 23:10.13 | Wyzard | Dinuir: Just boot your install CD |
| 23:10.23 | kahless | deadcat: nope, why? |
| 23:10.28 | Marxist | but this box is not working? |
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| 23:10.29 | deadcat | kahless: see if they work |
| 23:10.32 | Wyzard | Dinuir: When you get to the partitioning step, there are options for configuring RAID and/or LVM |
| 23:10.33 | Dinuir | Wyzrad: Many thanks for your help |
| 23:10.35 | encrypted | Marxist: 1 debian (127.0.0.1) [closed] 0.400 ms 0.170 ms 0.132 ms |
| 23:10.41 | encrypted | Marxist: using tcptraceroute |
| 23:10.45 | kahless | deadcat: hmm, ok :) |
| 23:10.49 | Marxist | i'd say it's software |
| 23:10.58 | Marxist | ifconfig eth0 |
| 23:11.05 | Dinuir | Wyzrad: I have already created partitions as I am currently running XP |
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| 23:11.48 | narg | abrotman: FAT: bogus logical sector size 26228 > VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 08:01. |
| 23:11.56 | encrypted | Marxist: looks normal there, but for some reason I see 195 collisions, which doesn't make sense because it's a static outside of the dhcp range |
| 23:11.59 | narg | abrotman: from dmesg |
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| 23:12.11 | black13 | i need to know what to tweek |
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| 23:12.19 | Aradorn | Marxist: no luck =\ |
| 23:12.21 | TheAsp | encrypted: you mean ethernet collisions |
| 23:12.22 | TheAsp | ? |
| 23:12.26 | vitriol | (hypothetical question) is it possible to set up telnetd to deny all incoming telnet requests, but still allow outgoing sessions? |
| 23:12.28 | Arafangion | How do I install libsdl (and libsdl-dev) such that I can actually run sdl apps, such as qemu |
| 23:12.50 | doleyb | vitriol: you don't need telnetd for outgoing |
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| 23:12.53 | Arafangion | (Currently when I compile and use qemu, it insists on only using the console) |
| 23:12.55 | Marxist | encrypted, let me check my book |
| 23:12.59 | kahless | deadcat: do knoppix create a /proc/kernel.tgz file? (or similar?) |
| 23:13.02 | TheAsp | vitriol: yeah, turn off telnetd |
| 23:13.03 | vitriol | oh :/ ok sorry stupid question |
| 23:13.03 | DrusT | I have a problem to enter in this channel with cgi:irc : *** Access to that channel is blocked |
| 23:13.20 | deadcat | kahless: ya |
| 23:13.20 | Wyzard | DrusT: Mabe you're banned from the channel you're trying to join? |
| 23:13.23 | black13 | what do they call pam stacks "stacks" |
| 23:13.25 | kahless | deadcat: thx :) |
| 23:13.28 | Marxist | Aradorn, i dunno what to tell you but to check your system for filesystem corruption or broken packages |
| 23:13.29 | doleyb | vitriol: everybody should remove telnetd |
| 23:13.30 | deadcat | kahless: you can check /boot/config-`uname -r` as well |
| 23:13.36 | vitriol | doleyb: i agree :) |
| 23:13.38 | deadcat | kahless: its config.gz |
| 23:13.42 | encrypted | TheAsp: assume so, but that's not right. it's the collision that shows up in ifconfig eth0 |
| 23:13.44 | Aradorn | hrm, well it worked when i installed debian earlier today |
| 23:13.45 | Marxist | they shouldn't be but make sure there are there |
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| 23:13.56 | TheAsp | encrypted: yeah, thats ethernet collisions, nothing to do with dhcp |
| 23:13.56 | Aradorn | but then i ran into some connection issues, so ill reinstall again later |
| 23:13.59 | DrusT | Wyzard, I have the samehost with cgi:irc and my Irc client |
| 23:14.04 | Arafangion | vitriol: My uni removed the only machien with telnetd - now I can't remote-login at all. |
| 23:14.11 | Wyzard | Arafangion: You probably need to configure it --with-sdl or something like that |
| 23:14.19 | Arafangion | Wyzard: It does. |
| 23:14.29 | abrotman | narg: how did you make it ? |
| 23:14.32 | Arafangion | Wyzard: When I run ./configure, it says that it's using sdl. |
| 23:14.34 | kahless | deadcat: cool, thx |
| 23:14.36 | Wyzard | Arafangion: And use ssh, not telnet :-) |
| 23:14.50 | Aradorn | ssh 4tw |
| 23:14.51 | Aradorn | =) |
| 23:14.52 | TheAsp | encrypted: if the numbers arnt getting huge, ignore it |
| 23:14.52 | Arafangion | Wyzard: All the uni did was remove the one server with a telnetd. |
| 23:14.53 | TheAsp | :P |
| 23:14.57 | encrypted | TheAsp: good |
| 23:15.02 | Arafangion | Wyzard: They didn't replace it with ssh. |
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| 23:15.18 | Wyzard | Arafangion: So there aren't any machines on campus with sshd? |
| 23:15.32 | alekzandr | where is the apache2 cgi-bin dir under debian? |
| 23:15.36 | encrypted | i did do apt-get remove iptables ipchains just in case - thought they had screwed up - but no dice |
| 23:15.42 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Not really. |
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| 23:15.59 | TheAsp | encrypted: old networking gear? |
| 23:16.00 | deadcat | mwilson: the gpg key for ppc mplayer DONT work! |
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| 23:16.29 | sandman | If I had a RAID 0 setup across 2 hdds, and created a file, the first bit of said file would go on first hdd, 2nd bit on 2nd hdd, 3rd on 1st, 4th on 2nd, 5th on 1st, so on and so forth, yes? |
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| 23:16.40 | TheAsp | sandman: not by bits, but yeah |
| 23:16.44 | Luke_Skywalker | nnoooooooo !!!! |
| 23:16.48 | encrypted | TheAsp: old dell laptop |
| 23:16.52 | sandman | TheAsp: How is it divided? |
| 23:16.57 | Wyzard | encrypted: "collisions" reported by ifconfig don't mean two people using the same IP |
| 23:17.03 | TheAsp | sandman: by your chunk size |
| 23:17.16 | Wyzard | encrypted: They mean two machines tried to send a packet at the same time and stepped on each others toes, and had to stop and try again |
| 23:17.19 | TheAsp | sandman: 1 bit on each would be horribly inefficient |
| 23:17.26 | TheAsp | sandman: its usually a couple k on each |
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| 23:17.47 | sandman | TheAsp: So if the fs is made with 1kb blocks, it'll be 1kb on 1st, 1kb on 2nd, so on and so forth? |
| 23:17.52 | TheAsp | no |
| 23:17.53 | TheAsp | the raid |
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| 23:17.55 | TheAsp | the fs doesnt matter |
| 23:17.58 | *** part/#debian vitriol (~vitriol@65.168.184.109) |
| 23:17.59 | TheAsp | the raid is under it |
| 23:18.04 | encrypted | Marxist: any ideas? :D |
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| 23:18.09 | TheMoebius2 | hey how can I upgrade to the 2.6 kernel with debian? |
| 23:18.21 | Wyzard | TheMoebius2: What processor do you have? |
| 23:18.23 | TheAsp | sandman: see the raid howto |
| 23:18.27 | sandman | TheAsp: Aye. |
| 23:18.30 | TheMoebius2 | pentium mmx |
| 23:18.37 | TheAsp | heh |
| 23:18.40 | bowman | heya. anyone know what to do with .ape files (monkeys audio)? |
| 23:18.43 | Wyzard | TheMoebius2: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 23:18.46 | sandman | Is it true that if you have 2 swap files on 2 partitions, the kernel will automatically loadbalance between them? |
| 23:18.50 | TheMoebius2 | ok |
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| 23:18.55 | sandman | And put 1st page on one, 2nd page on 2nd swapfile, etc |
| 23:18.58 | encrypted | humm...for reminder's sake, on TCPDUMP, are the > entries incoming or outgoing? |
| 23:19.01 | sandman | Is this true? |
| 23:19.06 | TheAsp | sandman: yes, if you set them to the same priority |
| 23:19.07 | vito | hi every1, how do I find out what version of vncserver I'm running.. can any1 help me ? |
| 23:19.15 | Wyzard | TheMoebius2: -686 would be for Pentium Pro and newer, -k7 is for AMD processors, and -386 is for things older than a Pentium Pro |
| 23:19.16 | black13 | TheMoebius2 do you like "the orb" |
| 23:19.16 | tictac | encrypted: host1 > host2 host1 is sending to host2 |
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| 23:19.20 | Marxist | it might be a layer 2 problem |
| 23:19.29 | pablum | bowman: filext.com ? |
| 23:19.35 | Wyzard | vito: dpkg -s vncserver |
| 23:19.36 | mikson | could someone explain me how to make debian see ntfs partitions |
| 23:19.41 | mikson | please |
| 23:19.42 | TheMoebius2 | black13, yeah the orb is real good |
| 23:19.45 | narg | abrotman: By trying to mount it :P Both with my fstab entry, and with mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usb |
| 23:19.55 | sandman | TheAsp: Will they be the same priority by default? |
| 23:19.58 | abrotman | narg: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 23:20.04 | TheAsp | sandman: no |
| 23:20.04 | Wyzard | mikson: If you want them mounted automatically, add them to /etc/fstab |
| 23:20.11 | TheAsp | sandman: they will be used in order by default |
| 23:20.14 | black13 | TheMoebius2 did you take your name from the song |
| 23:20.15 | vito | wyzard: thank you |
| 23:20.18 | mikson | but how |
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| 23:20.28 | narg | /dev/sda1 1 584 292846+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 23:20.28 | narg | /dev/sda2 585 1020 218654 b W95 FAT32 |
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| 23:20.34 | narg | abrotman: ^ |
| 23:20.36 | TheMoebius2 | black13, close heh from the group "orbital" |
| 23:20.55 | mikson | just dev/hd1 etc etc etc |
| 23:20.55 | abrotman | narg: and you can't mount that ? |
| 23:21.02 | abrotman | narg: you used mkfs.vfat ? |
| 23:21.05 | Wyzard | mikson: "man fstab", or just look at the existing entries and see what each column is for |
| 23:21.06 | dli | how to install sun-j2sdk1.5 ? |
| 23:21.08 | bowman | pablum: I know what an ape file is, I just need to play it :-) |
| 23:21.19 | sandman | TheAsp: How do I change priority of a swapfile/partition? |
| 23:21.19 | Marxist | encrypted, need to know exactly what the out or trace, and ping are |
| 23:21.21 | TheAsp | dli: make it with make-jpkg, then dpkg -i the deb that spits out |
| 23:21.22 | luxifer | orbital? |
| 23:21.30 | encrypted | i see the ack going out from me to a destination, an ack back fromt the destination, and that's about it |
| 23:21.31 | TheAsp | sandman: check the fstab man page |
| 23:21.34 | encrypted | Marxist: ping works |
| 23:21.35 | luxifer | I have been listening to Orbital all day :) |
| 23:21.36 | narg | abrotman: Nerp, used cfdisk type function |
| 23:21.41 | sandman | TheAsp: Thank you |
| 23:21.48 | encrypted | Marxist: tcptraceroute shows ***** |
| 23:21.50 | abrotman | narg: uhm |
| 23:21.56 | mikson | Wyzard, just that i dont have to do anything before right |
| 23:21.58 | pablum | bowman: if you use that search mahcine you'll be directed to sites that give you more infomration. |
| 23:22.03 | abrotman | narg: that won't work :) |
| 23:22.05 | Wyzard | mikson: right... just edit the file |
| 23:22.09 | mikson | ok thx |
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| 23:22.13 | mikson | hopefully it will work |
| 23:22.14 | mikson | :) |
| 23:22.15 | abrotman | narg: apt-get install dosfstools |
| 23:22.20 | Marxist | so your getting echo replies |
| 23:22.22 | narg | abrotman: Ok. |
| 23:22.26 | narg | abrotman: *mutters* |
| 23:22.27 | Marxist | its not layer 3 |
| 23:22.30 | Marxist | its software |
| 23:22.34 | abrotman | narg: hey .. you asked how :) |
| 23:22.35 | TheAsp | sandman: actually, the man page for swapon |
| 23:22.48 | narg | Why doesnt that work? One would think it would. |
| 23:22.49 | encrypted | Marxist: that's what I'm leaning to, but I can't find anything that i have installed that may be interfering |
| 23:22.59 | narg | abrotman: installed. |
| 23:23.04 | GIOJOTOCA | can you helpme |
| 23:23.08 | Marxist | its most likely the setup |
| 23:23.13 | bowman | "monkeys audio for apple and linux is on the way". fine. rrrr... |
| 23:23.13 | Marxist | could it be noise on the line? |
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| 23:23.22 | abrotman | narg: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 23:23.26 | Wyzard | GIOJOTOCA: Only if you ask a question |
| 23:23.29 | encrypted | Marxist: noise would affect my other two computers, i'd imagine |
| 23:23.29 | sandman | lol yeah I was going to say :) I didn't find anything on fstab or mount |
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| 23:23.51 | sadfgg | How can I make a directory named public_html in all subdir:s in /home? |
| 23:23.59 | kahless | .o0( 1mbit is too slow ) |
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| 23:24.07 | narg | abrotman: It just printed the version, but it seemed to work. |
| 23:24.12 | Marxist | it depends on the topology |
| 23:24.23 | abrotman | narg: can you mount it ? |
| 23:24.28 | narg | Yup |
| 23:24.31 | narg | and its rw. |
| 23:24.36 | abrotman | narg: and you're happy? |
| 23:24.38 | encrypted | Marxist: I ran tcpdump again on an outbound connection; now I see my ack, their ack, and then snmp-traps |
| 23:24.39 | narg | :) |
| 23:24.40 | narg | yes |
| 23:24.43 | Marxist | yes |
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| 23:24.52 | abrotman | narg: please send payment to my fridge in beer currency :) |
| 23:24.57 | kregr | google down? |
| 23:24.57 | narg | Now I can play around with bootable usbs. |
| 23:24.58 | narg | mwahah |
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| 23:25.08 | NoHope | hey, I just want to run some commands at start time. I don't know how to make it on SysV. Can you help me? |
| 23:25.22 | encrypted | Marxist: hummm... it's my ip.port > router.broadcast.snmp-trap |
| 23:25.38 | encrypted | what in the world >< |
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| 23:26.11 | Marxist | so the three-way-handshake is made with the remote host?? |
| 23:26.12 | Wyzard | encrypted: Check your ethernet cables for mischief demons |
| 23:26.30 | Pupeno | Is there any program that can perform hardware detection and automatic X configuration on Debian 3.1 ? |
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| 23:26.38 | Wyzard | Pupeno: apt-get install discover |
| 23:26.47 | NoHope | Does someone know SysV init.d? |
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| 23:26.51 | Wyzard | Pupeno: (You probably already have "discover1" installed, but "discover" is a newer version) |
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| 23:27.02 | Wyzard | Pupeno: Oh, you meant X config... nevermind |
| 23:27.14 | Marxist | for Xfree86 it's XFree86 -configure if i remember correctly |
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| 23:27.36 | Marxist | but you're gonna have to edit the XF86Config file a little |
| 23:27.45 | systemadm | what package contains mysql headers? |
| 23:27.53 | dli | how to force apt-get to continue when a depended package can not be installed? |
| 23:27.55 | luxifer | dpkg-reconfigure Xfree86 |
| 23:27.56 | luxifer | ?? |
| 23:28.07 | Wyzard | dli: Don't do that |
| 23:28.25 | Pupeno | luxifer: does that do hardware detection ? |
| 23:28.27 | pablum | !drxx |
| 23:28.27 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! |
| 23:28.52 | Marxist | encrypted, are you using snmp on your LAN? |
| 23:28.55 | dli | Wyzard: azureus requires sun-j2sdk, which is "Unavailable" |
| 23:28.58 | luxifer | I think so |
| 23:29.02 | luxifer | at least it worked for me |
| 23:29.03 | bowman | ah, found the mac port on sf... nice |
| 23:29.18 | luxifer | I installed from the net_install, it set up debian with X |
| 23:29.20 | Wyzard | !tell dli about java-package |
| 23:30.06 | encrypted | Marxist: no, but the snmp is coming from my router apparently |
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| 23:30.15 | Wyzard | dli: Even if you forced the installation, Azureus wouldn't be very useful without a Java runtime installed |
| 23:30.34 | Marxist | check your routers configuration again |
| 23:30.41 | dli | Wyzard dpkg doesn't give me a step-by-step howto :( |
| 23:30.55 | bowman | systemadm: for client development? |
| 23:31.15 | pablum | dli: tried aptitude (or dselect)? |
| 23:31.22 | Wyzard | dli: apt-get install java-package; download the j2re1.5 or j2sdk1.5 .bin from Sun; make-jpkg (filename).bin |
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| 23:31.29 | alekzandr | where is the apache2 cgi-bin dir under debian? |
| 23:31.29 | systemadm | bowman : this is my error checking for mysql include path... configure: error: not found, please install the MySQL headers |
| 23:31.39 | systemadm | tryign to compile package |
| 23:32.12 | fortysixand2 | what causes an xf86_ENOMEM error when loading fglrg drivers? |
| 23:32.14 | dli | Wyzard that's the problem. java.sun.com shows sdk 5.0 or 1.4.2 no, 1.5 |
| 23:32.21 | fortysixand2 | the fglrx module is loaded in the kernel |
| 23:32.22 | systemadm | bowman : yes client |
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| 23:32.33 | Wyzard | dli: 5.0 is 1.5... they changed their numbering scheme |
| 23:32.54 | Wyzard | dli: though for Azureus, 1.4 should work too |
| 23:33.03 | Pupeno | I still get horrible pixelized icons and fonts here :( |
| 23:33.05 | abrotman | alekzandr: the conf file will tell you |
| 23:33.29 | dli | Wyzard, thanks |
| 23:33.36 | Wyzard | dli: And you don't need the SDK unless you plan on writing and compiling your own Java programs... to just run stuff that's already been compiled, like Azureus, you only need the JRE |
| 23:33.41 | systemadm | nm got it |
| 23:33.47 | bowman | k |
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| 23:34.34 | TheMoebius2 | hmm |
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| 23:35.03 | encrypted | prepping a sample tcpdump |
| 23:35.15 | narg | abrotman: http://www.freewebs.com/wotnarg/beer.html aflk :) |
| 23:35.59 | abrotman | narg: thanks :) |
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| 23:36.11 | dli | Wyzard, see |
| 23:36.16 | TheMoebius2 | so when I finish apt-getting gnome, how am I supposed to start it? because startx isn't found |
| 23:36.26 | abrotman | !beer narg |
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| 23:36.36 | encrypted | incoming |
| 23:36.36 | Wyzard | TheMoebius2: If you want a graphical login screen, install GDM |
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| 23:36.42 | encrypted | 19:34:32.176392 IP 192.168.1.102.1034 > domain.org.ssh: SWE 1476041154:1476041154(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 257213 0,nop,wscale 0> |
| 23:36.45 | encrypted | 19:34:32.210365 IP domain.org.ssh > 192.168.1.102.1034: S 34256247:34256247(0) ack 1476041155 win 5792 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 71147839 257213,nop,wscale 1> |
| 23:36.48 | encrypted | 19:34:32.210459 IP 192.168.1.102.1034 > domain.org.ssh: . ack 1 win 5840 <nop,nop,timestamp 257217 71147839> |
| 23:36.51 | encrypted | 19:34:35.328392 IP 192.168.1.1.3215 > 192.168.1.255.snmp-trap: Trap(104) E:3955.2.2.1 192.168.1.1 enterpriseSpecific s=1 1201519 [|snmp] |
| 23:36.54 | postel | pastebin.ca |
| 23:36.54 | encrypted | 19:34:37.410432 IP 192.168.1.1.3216 > 192.168.1.255.snmp-trap: Trap(108) E:3955.2.2.1 192.168.1.1 enterpriseSpecific s=1 1201704 [|snmp] |
| 23:36.56 | Wyzard | encrypted: Don't flood |
| 23:36.57 | encrypted | 19:34:41.367338 IP 192.168.1.1.3217 > 192.168.1.255.snmp-trap: Trap(104) E:3955.2.2.1 192.168.1.1 enterpriseSpecific s=1 1202055 [|snmp] |
| 23:37.00 | philstar | anyone got a link about the new debian project that aims to make any packages that exist in ubuntu, but not in debian? just spent ten mins googling without success... |
| 23:37.00 | encrypted | 19:34:55.465363 IP 192.168.1.1.3218 > 192.168.1.255.snmp-trap: Trap(108) E:3955.2.2.1 192.168.1.1 enterpriseSpecific s=1 1203309 [|snmp] |
| 23:37.03 | encrypted | 19:35:17.794350 IP 192.168.1.1.3219 > 192.168.1.255.snmp-trap: Trap(104) E:3955.2.2.1 192.168.1.1 enterpriseSpecific s=1 1205294 [|snmp] |
| 23:37.06 | encrypted | 19:35:31.579046 IP 192.168.1.1.3220 > 192.168.1.255.snmp-trap: Trap(108) E:3955.2.2.1 192.168.1.1 enterpriseSpecific s=1 1206519 [|snmp] |
| 23:37.08 | Wyzard | encrypted: Don't flood |
| 23:37.09 | encrypted | 19:36:03.629911 IP 192.168.1.1.3221 > 192.168.1.255.snmp-trap: Trap(107) E:3955.2.2.1 192.168.1.1 enterpriseSpecific s=1 1209368 [|snmp] |
| 23:37.12 | encrypted | Wyzard: my apologies; i've been trying to tweak that out in irssi |
| 23:37.17 | postel | encrypted: you're not the smartest thing around, are you? |
| 23:37.22 | pablum | encrypted: do that in #flood |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | are you fucking kidding |
| 23:37.38 | abrotman | debhelper: hello? |
| 23:37.42 | muaddib | brb |
| 23:38.09 | abrotman | dpkg: kick debhelper |
| 23:38.30 | encrypted | postel: I'm not too terribly caring when it's the first time that happens in chat, especially with a module I thought I had working :D check with me again if I do it a second time though :D |
| 23:38.44 | philstar | abrotman: the paste was probably too slow... |
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| 23:39.15 | encrypted | at least the bot understood :D |
| 23:39.24 | philstar | the cheek! |
| 23:39.47 | encrypted | an unwarranted ignore! ah yes, this reminds me of AOL |
| 23:40.00 | Wyzard | encrypted: What was it *supposed* to do? |
| 23:40.00 | encrypted | regardless, again, my apologies for the screw-up there |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | unwarranted? |
| 23:40.08 | abrotman | you fucking ignored the channel rules you fuccking moron |
| 23:40.24 | mdh | !permasunday |
| 23:40.24 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | !guidelines |
| 23:40.27 | dpkg | 1) read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. (2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question.4) Read docs: (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam., if |
| 23:40.41 | encrypted | abrotman: whoops, I broke a rule I wasn't particularly familiar with the first time. |
| 23:40.44 | abrotman | which it tells you .. when you fucking join .. shit for brains |
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| 23:40.55 | alekzandr | abrotman: which conf file, i looked in apache2.conf, cgid.conf, and no sign of it |
| 23:40.56 | encrypted | abrotman: actually, I didn't get that msg |
| 23:40.59 | mikson | i edited fstab and still dont have ntfs partition |
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| 23:41.22 | Wyzard | mikson: You still have to mount it... which is easier now that you have an fstab entry |
| 23:41.33 | encrypted | Wyzard: take the items I pasted in and turn them into normal lines, not flooding like that. there should have been a longer delay between each line. it shouldn't have let a chunk like that through |
| 23:41.43 | abrotman | alekzandr: should be in the main one .. might need to check the available-* directories |
| 23:41.44 | Wyzard | mikson: (It'll be mounted automatically next time you boot, but for now, you have to mount it manually) |
| 23:41.47 | encrypted | irssi's always fun like that |
| 23:41.52 | philstar | back to topic: anyone know a resource about the new project to make any packages that are in ubuntu but not yet in debian? |
| 23:41.55 | mikson | i rebooted my pc twice |
| 23:41.58 | tictac | nice to know that xorg debs are all 404. :P |
| 23:42.00 | Wyzard | encrypted: Long lines and delay don't matter, unless it's like a five-minute delay or something |
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| 23:42.06 | abrotman | phillijw: huh ? |
| 23:42.08 | mikson | and it says mount: mount point /media/windows does not exist |
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| 23:42.15 | tictac | breakage indeed. |
| 23:42.19 | Wyzard | encrypted: Flooding with a lot of short lines or with a few long lines is still flooding... use #flood or the pastebin |
| 23:42.22 | mwilson | philstar: What project would that be, and why would it be necessary? |
| 23:42.34 | abrotman | why not just install ubuntu ... |
| 23:42.37 | encrypted | Wyzard: thanks for the chans; will do and avoid the issue the next time :D |
| 23:42.37 | philstar | I read a news item about it, and I can't find it now... |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | hopefully it died |
| 23:42.52 | abrotman | like it deserves to |
| 23:43.04 | philstar | abrotman: because ubuntu doesn't have all the packages that debian has, and mixing debian repos with ubuntu ones can give problems |
| 23:43.10 | Wyzard | mikson: You can't mount on a directory that doesn't exist... create it |
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| 23:43.22 | Wyzard | mikson: though you should probably use a subdirectory of /mnt, not /media |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | philstar: so use debian |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | i don't understand what the problem is |
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| 23:43.39 | philstar | the problem is that I'm trying to find the newsitem |
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| 23:43.52 | philstar | and just spent ten minutes googling |
| 23:43.53 | abrotman | news.google .. or ask #ubuntu |
| 23:43.59 | mwilson | philstar: Are there any packages that're in Debian that aren't in Ubuntu that you *need*? |
| 23:44.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: There are some packages that only Debian has, and some packages that only Ubuntu has, and some users want to draw from both sets |
| 23:44.05 | philstar | they won't know and they won't care |
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| 23:44.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: uhm .. tough shit ? |
| 23:44.20 | philstar | mwilson: I just want to find out about the project, that's all |
| 23:44.21 | abrotman | pick a distro .. and use it .. stop mixing shit .. |
| 23:44.21 | TheMoebius2 | hmm |
| 23:44.24 | mwilson | Wyzard: Some users are stupid and deserve what happens to them, too. |
| 23:44.26 | siam | #server irc.freenode.bet |
| 23:44.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, it's not unreasonable to try to remedy the situation by porting packages |
| 23:44.44 | Dinuir | Newbie Question: What Debian files should I download for an install beside XP? |
| 23:44.54 | abrotman | !d-i Dinuir |
| 23:44.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: The idea is to avoid *having* to mix packages |
| 23:44.55 | dpkg | Dinuir, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:45.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: sounds *very* dumb to me |
| 23:45.06 | OMN | hi all ... re: pkg "cfengine2". ne1 know of a webmin .wbm module for version*2* of cfengine? |
| 23:45.09 | mwilson | Dinuir: You wouldn't just read the installation guide because...? |
| 23:45.12 | paster | "encrypted" at 65.32.50.33 pasted "TCP dump after an external connection is established" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/390 |
| 23:45.15 | Wyzard | abrotman: I don't see how that's dumb |
| 23:45.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: why not just merge ubuntu back into debian ? |
| 23:45.35 | encrypted | Marxist: if you're still interested, http://channels.debian.net/paste/390 |
| 23:45.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: There's more to Ubuntu than its package set |
| 23:45.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: use either ubuntu .. or debian .. not some crap pile of both |
| 23:45.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: i realize that .. so merge it in |
| 23:45.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: Merge the Ubuntu packages into Debian, you mean? |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: unless thier changes aren't dfsg free .. what's the problem |
| 23:46.05 | mwilson | Wyzard: Like what? |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | no .. i mean all thier changes |
| 23:46.24 | Marxist | ok |
| 23:46.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: I dunno; I don't use Ubuntu |
| 23:46.32 | abrotman | bah .. don't care .. stupid idea .. pick a distro .. use it .. don't mix |
| 23:46.38 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, Clearlooks is pretty nice... |
| 23:46.45 | mwilson | Wyzard: Then how can you say there's more to it? |
| 23:47.00 | exobyte | Anyone know of something, may a squid plugin, that does proxy level virus and spyware filtering? |
| 23:47.24 | Wyzard | mwilson: That's what philstar said |
| 23:48.21 | encrypted | exobyte: I *THINK* you can intergrate clamav &/or razor into it. |
| 23:48.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: If a package in Ubuntu is non-DFSG free, that's one thing... but if a package has been made for Ubuntu and it meets the standards for software that could be included in Debian, I see no good reason not to port it to Debian |
| 23:48.41 | mwilson | Wyzard: What if no one wants to maintain it? |
| 23:48.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: why not package it for debian to begin with .. duh .. |
| 23:49.07 | Wyzard | mwilson: Then it doesn't meet the standards for software that could be included in Debian :-) |
| 23:49.20 | exobyte | encrypted: lol.. thx, I'll take a look |
| 23:49.20 | encrypted | exobyte: http://lists.adamantix.org/users-l/archive/2004/2004-05/1085145688382 |
| 23:49.37 | exobyte | oooooo- less googleing for me |
| 23:49.50 | freedom101 | someone can tell me why gnome can't be download in unstable? |
| 23:49.53 | Wyzard | abrotman: If it's packaged for Debian first, then it has to be ported to Ubuntu; same problem. If it's packaged for Ubuntu already, it's stupid to throw away that maintainer's work and do it again from scratch. |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: sounds like ubuntu's problem :) |
| 23:50.35 | mwilson | freedom101: What gave you the idea it couldn't be? |
| 23:50.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: i still think it's a piss poor idea .. it's quite easy enough to take the /debian dir |
| 23:51.12 | jim | how closely does ubuntu follow debian policy? |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | you mean DFSG policy? |
| 23:51.26 | mwilson | jim: Not at all. |
| 23:51.30 | freedom101 | gnome-office is a defect pakcage |
| 23:51.37 | freedom101 | and gnome depend on it |
| 23:51.38 | jim | all policy docs |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | are you using sid ? |
| 23:51.49 | abrotman | freedom101: ? |
| 23:51.49 | mwilson | No, he means Debian Policy, which is why he said it. "DFSG policy" is a nonsense statement. |
| 23:51.50 | jim | me? no |
| 23:51.54 | freedom101 | yeah |
| 23:51.54 | abrotman | freedom101: are you using sid ? |
| 23:52.00 | albino | Does anyone know if the sarge install supports root lvm LVs? |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | then stop crying .. shit breaks |
| 23:52.05 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 23:52.05 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:52.07 | albino | s/install/installer |
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| 23:52.11 | freedom101 | because i want gnome 2.10 |
| 23:52.11 | peterS | albino: try it and see |
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| 23:52.26 | albino | peterS: I would rather have an idea before hand |
| 23:52.32 | mwilson | freedom101: Just because you want something doesn't make it possible for you to have it. |
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| 23:52.52 | freedom101 | ok so if i compile it it will be ok? |
| 23:52.59 | peterS | albino: from what I've heard, it won't let you do something it doesn't support, so it should be easy enough to determine whether it'll work. I haven't tried the installer since it gained decent lvm support, so I can't say more |
| 23:52.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: I don't understand how it's a bad idea to make Debian versions of Ubuntu packages... if someone's willing to do the work to port and maintain them, then why not? |
| 23:53.04 | mwilson | freedom101: it will be? |
| 23:53.17 | paster | "encrypted" at 65.32.50.33 pasted "ifconfig output of eth0" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/391 |
| 23:53.21 | jim | freedom101: and now you have it :) but... if problems occur, debian users and developers alike will thank you if you pinpoint the problems you're experiencing, come up with solutions, and file them at the BTS |
| 23:53.26 | jim | thanks for using debian :) |
| 23:53.30 | albino | peterS: Well I think thats a decent suggestion. I'll go depend on it and see what I get. Thanks |
| 23:53.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: The question is, why bother? |
| 23:53.37 | nvz | abrotman: ffs, why |
| 23:53.56 | abrotman | nvz: cause they look good ? |
| 23:53.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: Presumably, someone wants to use the package in Debian. If nobody wanted it, nobody would bother porting it. |
| 23:54.00 | kreg | anyone recommend a site for buying phone equipment? 66 blocks, crimpers, punches, etc |
| 23:54.14 | nvz | abrotman: talk about shallow 8P |
| 23:54.20 | jim | Phone Center Store? |
| 23:54.23 | mdh | albino: in the installer menu there's a section on "extra drivers" or somesuch that'll let you do things like lvm |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: then why not have debian abandon debian policy and just become ubuntu |
| 23:54.28 | nvz | abrotman: you want a wife who has the crayola factory do her makeup |
| 23:54.33 | abrotman | nvz: i didn't say that |
| 23:54.38 | mwilson | kreg: Considering the utterly wide availablity of such things, why in the world would you waste your time buying them on-line? |
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| 23:54.50 | mdh | albino: the installer doco will tell you more than I can on that though |
| 23:54.51 | philstar | and here it is - called Utnubu: http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 23:55.11 | kreg | mwilson, eh, when you wanna buy 100 leviton rj-45's, i don't really think kmart is the best place to look. |
| 23:55.20 | albino | mdh: I just went looking for those a second ago and didn't find anything. I'll go look again. |
| 23:55.31 | abrotman | philstar: yep .. you've convinced me .. totally fucking retarded |
| 23:55.48 | mwilson | kreg: Wow, I don't remember telling you to buy telephone parts at K-Mart... let me check. |
| 23:55.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: Because that's ridiculous... you can't say that a moderate option is unacceptable because the extreme option is unacceptable |
| 23:55.57 | kreg | heh heh |
| 23:56.19 | mwilson | kreg: No, unless there's some secret code, or something only morons understand, no one told you to buy anything at K-Mart. |
| 23:56.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: Does packaging software for Ubuntu first put a stigma on it so that it can never be included in Debian, or something? |
| 23:56.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: sure i can .. it's just not logical :) |
| 23:56.35 | *** join/#debian idnar_ (mithrandi@rrba-146-127-245.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 23:56.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you look at the package list? .. it includes things like .. nvidia-kernel-source . as pacakges that aren't in debian .. |
| 23:56.57 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, there you go. No point trying to argue against ill-logic, but no point listening to it either. |
| 23:57.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, someone made a mistake then :-) |
| 23:57.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: i guess i'd need to see a package in ubuntu that i'd want |
| 23:57.31 | mwilson | kreg: I rather think that if I want to buy 1 hundred RJ-45 jacks (we'll say jacks, because you apparently think jacks and connectors are the same thing), I'm going to call up Graybar and have them tomorrow. |
| 23:57.40 | jim | if ubuntu maints were either sponsored developers (or some of them were), or else actually became debian maints, then we'd have some sharing on our hands maybe |
| 23:57.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: Understandable, but I'm sure there are others who want some of those packages even if you don't |
| 23:57.52 | kreg | mwilson, you know what i meant. i mean common. when someone says a good place to buy a video card, "automatically" newegg.com comes to mind. was wondering if anyone suggested the same for telco stuff. |
| 23:57.56 | kreg | mwilson, inserts |
| 23:58.14 | mdh | jim: many ubuntu maintainers are debian maintainers |
| 23:58.14 | mwilson | Maybe in whatever diseased universe you live in, newegg.com comes to mind. |
| 23:58.23 | nvz | trying to do some market analysis and cant even think of any more than like 5 cheap department stores to compare. actually how many do I have.. Kmart, WalMart, Target.. thats only 3.. heh sears is close but they are entering the higher dollar department stores. trying to narrow my research to the ones in close competition for the cheap stuff :oP |
| 23:58.39 | jim | mdh: hmm, like who? |
| 23:58.43 | kreg | mwilson, if you didn't want to help, why are you still talking to me? |
| 23:58.46 | mdh | jim: there was a split in the community because some who didn't go to ubuntu blamed the late release of sarge on those who did |
| 23:58.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: you lie! |
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| 23:59.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: sorry .. i still think it's a bad idea .. |
| 23:59.35 | jim | that's just idiotic :) and a definite party splitter |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: and looking at the package list .. many many packages are duplicated |
| 23:59.54 | mwilson | kreg: It's really unfortunate that the automatic response of clueless people is always "buy it online". |
